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11111)Eli1.411, I' ARLI,II I ,I . HOUSE OF PzERS. WEDNESDAY, Jpi.v . 9. , THE further hewing of the Appeal " Rennie v. Todd and Others," wa . s postponed- till Friday. . . The further consideration of the Case of « Lucina v.- Crawford . ' was postponed till Friday. The Ir:sh Poor Bill, the Irish Spirit Duty Collec tion , 861, the I isli Customs Bill, and the Assessed T .V7's Allowances Bill, were read a third time and imss;ed. . Mr. 'Alexander, -I‘ l lr. Baldwin, Mr. Hobhouse, and several other Members of the .House of Coni 7 Mobs, brought up the American Intercourse Bill, the Greenwich Chest. Bill, the Greenwich Hospital Bill, the Trish Revenue Bill, the Irish Prizage Bill, the Scots Distillery Bill, the •Pbstage Bill, and the Westminster Buildings Bill ; which were,read a first time. The Greenwich Chest Bill and the Greenwich Hospital Bill were ordered to be read a second time on Friday—the former on the motion of Lord Auck land, and the latter on the motion of Lord Viscount Hohd. The Earl of LAUDERDALE moved for an Acecamt of ,Extrads made in the Court of ,Session in-Scot land, from 1806 - to 1806, and for other. Documents respeaing the proceedings of that Court; which were ordered. Mr. HOB uousz, qnd several other Members of the House of Cothinons, brought up the Portsmouth and Dover Works Bill; and the Land Tax Commis:- sioners Mistake Bill; which were read a first time, and the.former ordered to be printed. Adjourned till to-morrow (this day). HOUSE OF COMMONS. WEDNESDAY, JULY D. On the Motion of Sir A. W2t.t..EsLEt, the Deputy Clerk of the Crown was ordered to attend the House forthwith. He brought in the Return for the Bo rough of Carlow ; which was read; and by, which it appeared that Lieutenant-Colonel Arthur Sims had been returned fog' the Boroag - li of Carlow. The pre ,.cedent of the Borough of Ne.wtown, in the County of Southampton, in which Ewan Law, Esq. was by mistake returned , for Evaa Law, Esq. having been read, the Returning-Officer for Carlow (Mr. Turpin) was called in, who, on being qnestioned by the Speaker, deciared,..that by 'mistake the word Arthur bad been inserted into the IL: Info instead oLv.lichael. On the Motion of Sir A. WELLESLEY, the name of Arthur was ordered' to be exased, and the name. of substitnted. On the Motion of Mr. C. WyNNE, a new Writ was ,ordered to be issued .for the Borbugh of Buck inham, •in the room of the Right lion. T. Gren, Ville, who, sincehis eleclion,.had accepted the Office of, President of the Board of Controul, being one 'of the,Commissioners fir the Affairs of India, with a salary annexed. On the Motion of Mr. VANSITTART the Ordnance, Lands Bill ~ vas read a third time and passed. Colonel WOOD, alluding to the above Bill, corn plaiaed that it had been carried through the House in so harried and irregular d m'anner, that he was by no means aware it had arrived at its last stage. It involved in it considerations which required the ut most deliberation, and the best advice.' VANSITFART supposed that the Hon. Gentleman meant to diret his observations against another Bill that was in ' its progress through the House ; this, however, Colonel Wbed denied. The SnAICEIt interposed, observing - , that after a Bill had passed, such a conversation was totally irre gular ; he a.chicti, t hat the Bill in question had passed through all proper stages, and that it had always had its Place among the orders of the day. 24r. CO)4-is brought up a Bill for 'repealing the London AdditiOnal Force Aa.--Ilead a first, and ordered to be road "i'aetcrad,tinae on Friday. The Zxpiring Laws Bill, the:Land - I'as Commis,- sioaera 1...;-..essment Bill, and the Bankrupt Law Bill; wgre read a third time and passed. Mr. Vpistrrax-T brought.up the following Bills : pll .for reducing the Bounty on retitled Sugar ; ,43i1l for alloWiti, , certain. Goods to be warehoused '10:flout duty; a Bill for permitting the Importation pf French Wine lion Ireland, in bottles and flasks; for granting an addit;onal Bounty on the Ex portation of the Silk Manufa6lures of Great Britain . ; aßill'fbr allowing the Exportation of certain Articles front Gibraltar and Malta ; a Bill for prosecuting . Offences against the Stamp LaWs; . a Bill regu- , lating the legal Quays of the Port of London ; a Bill for enquiring into the state of Windsor Forest ; a Bill for allowing the Importation of Masts, Yards, and BoWspriti from the British Colonies. in North America; a Bill for repealing the A& of James for preventinc , the Importation of Gunpowder, Arms, and Ammunition' from Ireland ; and also a Bill for allowing the Exportation of Itaisins and duty free ; all of which were read a first time, and ordered to be read a second time to-morrow. Mt. Eloallou. - ; brought up the Reports of the committees on ►he , Oil of Vitriol, and the Quaran tine Amendment Reports were agreed to, and the Bills ordered to be read - a• third. time to morrow. • ROYAL FAMILY. . - Mr. VANSirrART brought up a - Bill . for enabling His Majesty to settle Annuities' on certain Branches of. the Royal Family.--=Read a first time ; on the motion .t:IA it be'read a second time, Calcnel ,11/001) rose, and declared, that at a time like the present, such a propositions that brought forward by the Noble Lord an this subjea, was one of. the most extraordinary that lie had ever heard of. At a period when we might expeel to beso seriously Ptiacked, united and concentrated as was the force of Botiapirte ; whln every man was . obliged to pay a tax of 10 per cent. many of 17 per cent. and not a few (more especially Country Gentlemen) of not less than 50 per cent. such a proposition astonished him. No mat) was more desirous than himself that the Royal Family should enjoy affluence and splen dour ; and if the burden of the measure were to lidl only upon the'Lords and Commons, and nat tu be borne by the people in general, .he should Per haps not objeet to it. Hu regretted that the Noble Lord was absent, and declared, that he would take the earliest opporiunity, when he was present, to protes t again s t what he conceived to be an upjusti! :th:ble waste of the public money. • Lord 77,11 P LE, aware as he was that it vas, duty of ever) Ailembl:r of the care:W.ly ,ta . ateh the e)enciitpr'e of the Public Money, ,could vet hip. , e wished that'the 1-1011Gutble, Gentle:llm) had made 1:44 observations ninon his NOble Friend first, mentioned the subject in the HOuse,''or that he had reserved them until he should be again:present.— He could wish also that the Hon. Gentlenrin ha l been present last night when his Noble Friend stat ed some furtherreasons for granting this, addition to the provision for the Younger Branches of the Royal • Family. The necessity, indeed, of such an addition must be obvious to all who considered the difference in the value of money, and the expellees of the va rious articles of life, between the present period and that:at'which the, provision was originally granted. - Sir ifs EL TORT? Was one of those who felt the burdens of the tines as strong as any man ; but he was convinced that it was his duty as a 'pOblic man to provide the proper means for securing to the Royal Family that 'splendour which the present pro vision: was. in 'his opinion, totally inadequate to maintain. These sentiments proceeded frcm a sense of public duty, and from that alone, for he had not .the honour of being known to any of the. Illustrious Personages who were the objea of this measure. Colonel Woof) was proceeding to urge some fresh argument& against the Bill, when he was prevented by the Speaker, who observed, that he must cantina himself to explanation. On intimating that the Speaker did not deal with him as With others, the Speaker appealed to the House whether he deserved ; the reproach tat the Hon. Gentleman had east upon him. Te Bill was ordered to be read a second time to morrow. The Clerks of Chancery Bill, the Innkeepers -Rates Bill, the Croy. , n Lands Leasing Bill, an the Irish Excise Countervailing Duty, Bill, were read a a second time, and ordered to be coimnitted to•mor row. The Newfoundland Bounty Bill, the Masters of Chancery Bill, and the Accomptaitt General's Bill, went through Committees ; the Repoits of which were ordered to be received to-morrow. Messengers from the Lords announced the;r- LOrd ships' assent to the Irish Distillery Bill, the. Irish Imports and ENportS Bill, the Irish Poor Bill, and the Assessed• Taxes Allowance Bill. On the Motion of Lord TEMPLE, •it was ordered that the House should, to-morrow, resolve itself into a Committee on that part of the Aa of the qd of James I. which related to the penalties on the re grating and engrossing of bark. On the suggestion of Mr. FELLOWES, the penalties on.thefoi:estalling of hides Were alsd ordered to be taken into consider ation by the same Committee.• The. Malt Duty Bill, and the,Lottery Bill, were read a second time, and ordered to be committed tin Friday. 2 On - the Motion of Mr. BANKES, the House went into the farther consideration of the Report of ,the Conimittee on the Lords' Message. 'The report was' agreed to nemine contradiante. It was resolved, that the said answer should be communicated to the Lords in a conference; and Mr.,Bankes was &plated to go to the Lords and desire the same. - • Mr. Hoßnousu, bronsfilt up the Report of the, 'Committee on the Insolvent Debtors' - Bill., Sir W: Elford wishing to' introducers new Clause, the Bill was re-committed to a seiea Committee. Sir J. NEwPoaT brought ,up a Bill for granting certain drawbacks on goods exporto.l from Ireland. Read a first, and ordered to be read a second time to-morrow. The House went into a Cornrnittc a on the Sugar Drawback Aa, in wh;ch, on the Motion of Mr. VANSITTART, it was resolved that the same Bounties should be granted on the Exportation of Sugar Candy as were already granted on the Exportation of fine Sugai from Great Britain. The Report ‘Vas ordered to -be received to-morrow. On the Motion' of Earl TEMPLE, the House having gone ;nto the further consideration of the Report of Abe Woollen Manutit&nres of Great Britain, the Re- Solutions were agreed to after some observations from Mr. PATTISON; which related merely t& two nume rical errors. . Lord TEMP I_,E calls try the recolleEtiOn of the House the\ anxiety which had ever been mani fested by, him, that some decision' should be made upon the subject during the present Session. The late period, however, at which the Report of the Committee had been _made, seemed to make thiS (to the. extent that could be wished), impraelicable. In Laying this, he begged not to be understood to impute any unnecessary delay to the Committee, to , whose abilities, energy, and a6tivity, on the con trary, he bore the highest testimony. Although all could not be done that it was desirable to do, he trusted that before the House separated they would at least consent to a Bill to make some regulation in the contending interests on this subje& ; and as early as possible in the next Session; he trusted, that an ultimate arraugenient would be agreed . The Noble Lord then moved for, and obtained:leave - 10 bringin pursuant to the Resolution of the said Committee. The Nabob of Arcot's • Private Creditors' Bill went through a Committee, in which a 'desultory conversation ' , arose between Mr. liortHOOE,'Lord H. PETTY, Mr. PAULL, Mr. WINDHAM; Mr. WHIT SHED KEENE, &c. The ileport‘was ordered to be received to-ruorrol.v. On the Motion of Mr, MoottE, it was ordered that the Minutes of Evidence on the Petition of the Journey Men CalicO Printers, dated.the 4th of Ally; 1804, which were printed for the use of the'House, be referred to a Committee, with instruaio . ns to them ~ to report to the House their 'opinion thereon: Colonel STANLEY expressed his satifaEt ion to. find that the Horn Arable Gentleman. n;:t. intend to go the length - cf moving .for a Bill oil the Subjeet in the present Sess.ion. The SECRETARY at Mr ( tß presented &d mates ,of• Additional Allowances to the Officers of the 4kriny . ." Ordered to be printed. • ' The SECRETAttY at WAR gave notice, that it was his intention to raiwe these Estithaies in the-Com, mittee of Supply on Friday. Adverting to the Al lowances of Militia Officers, he obserwd that it vas not intended tip extend the Allowances to the stye rior Officers in the Militia ; but as by an A& of Parliament of the year 1802, the Allowance f r o the OtficerS oldie Line and the Officers of the Militia were rendered equal, he should to-morrow move for lea're to briig in a Bi!I to repeal that part dale ► said' Aa - that contained the prOvisions to which he In reply to a question from Mr._ Huskisson, the SECRETARY at an stated, that it was intended.to grant these Allowances to the Subalterns of the Mi litia, but to 11Q other. . Mr. DAwsoN brought up a Bill for securing the safe and expeditious conveyance of Letters by post in Ireland. Read a first, and ordered to be read a second time to';-morrow. COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY. _ _ The Order of - the Day baying been read for going into a Committee of Supply, it was ordered, on the Motion of Lord .HENRY PETTY, that it be an in 7 stru6tion to the said Committee to consider a pro per recompense for the Commissioners of Naval Inquiry ; and that it be an instruElion to the said Committee to make a certain Allowance to the Commissioners of Military Inquiry.—The Petition of the Veterinary.Colle.ge; and the Report of the Corn- Mittee on the Bell Rock Light-house were also re ferred to the said Committee. The House then resolved itself into the Com mittee (Mr. FIOBHOUSE in the Chair), and voted the following sums to His Majesty out of the Con solidated Fund of Great Britain for the following purposes : On the Motion of Lord HENRY PETTY, a sum of 50001. annually for her Highness the Princess So phia ofGloucester, instead of 40001. charged on the Aggregate Fund, and an addition of 20001. perann. after the decease of the present Duchess Dowager of Gloucester.—Also as a recompense to the Com missioners of Naval, Inquiry for their diligence and ability in the execution of the trust reposed in them by Parliament, to be paid without fees, a sum of - - - L.-26,50G 0 0 Also as a compensation on account to the Commissioners _of Military Inquiry, to be paid without deduction fees of 10,500 0 0 A conversation took place on this Resolution. Mr. PAULL objeaed to the Grant, as the Com missioners had done nothing yet to entitle them to remuneration. Lord HENRY PETTY reminded the Hon. Gentle man of the very important Report of that Com mittee, which hadben some time on the Table, and had led to the recovery of a large arrear due to the Public; and he was happy to have the opportunity afforded him of stating to the House, that the Trea sury was in possession of securities for the whole of that sum. Mr. WINDHAM could not agree with, his non: Friend's position, which was founded on the prin cipled' no abuse, no pay."—(A The hOrse may die while the grass grows. was de fiirabhr that no abuses should be.found to exist, but it would h unreasonable to expeel the services of the Corm nksioilors without 'remuneration. Mr. IW3P. and Mr. Hos}Lissom , both stated,. that some or, the Commissi users had been taken from other lucrative Ott - I , es, and were not in circum. stances to admit of their waiting till the end of their labours, co , npensation. Mr. BURTON reminded the House that:the Commissioners of Public Accounts, the most im portant .and usefol thit had ever been instituted, had ,been reimmerated after tne two first years- tar their service,and every year after uniformly till they brought . the business referred to them to hterminatiOn. The vote-was then agreed to without otr r .osttion. It was also resolved, on the Motion of Mr. Secre tary WiNIMA.SI,, that there be granted to his l'tiljes ty, out of the Consolidated Fund of Great Britain,„ for the use of the Veterinary College, for the year 1 , 805, a sum not exceeding 15001. The House then resu:ncct, and the Report was or dered to be received to morrow. BF I. RACK LICHT-HOUSE. On the Motion of Sir JO FIN SINOtAIR, the House went into a Committee on the Reports re speCtino• the Bell Rock Light-house, and resolved' that there be advanced out of the Consolidated Fond sof Great Britain, to the Commissioners of Northern Light-houses, towards eredin„47 a Light house on the, Bell or Cape Rock, ou the Eastern Coast of Scotland, upon their giving security for the re-payment of the same, a sum of es ) oool.—The Report to be received to-morrow. YEOMAN RYAN') VOLUNTEER OFFICERS RANK BILL. Mr. Secretary WINDHAM 'moved the Order of the Day for the second re ding of the Yeomanry and Volunteer Officers' Rank Bill. On the Question being put, that the Bill e now read a second time, Mr. Alderman COMBE wished to be informed whether • the operation of the Bill was to extend to the present 'Officers of Volunteer Corps, or to be confined to those who might hereafter be ap pointed. - Mr. Secretaiy lIILY.DILIM replied, that the pro visions of the, Bill were to apply-to all Officersof Vo lunteers. The Bill was to enkt a Regulation which he was sure no Gentleman could entertain a do'ibt of the propriety of adopting, namely, that no Yeomanry or Volunteer Officer should command a Field Officer of the Line. I,: had been at first his intention to. pro vide by- a legislative measure, that no Volunteer Of iticer sit. , u:.t cam:l:land a Captain at V ilunteers, pro vided that Clptai,i was-itt the commaud of a Corps; but in consider tion of some suggestions made on the subject, he vas disposed to. recede fro:11 that iptention. It appeared to him a matter of such obvious necessity to provide- against the possibility of Flail Officers of the Line being commanded by Volunteer Officers,. that .he was confident no such Officer would feel any objetiiion to. the !pea sure. Mr. Alderman COMBE admitted that it would 'be right to adopt such a proViSion' if the rank - of Volunteers was now, for the first time, to be ad ju,ted. But as they derived their rank from an Aa of Parliament, he should feelit his duty 'to oppose thiii measure, which went to deprive them of it. Mr. Secretary IYllVlall.4M observed, that this Bill was intended merely to corred an unadvised grant of rank contained in the Ara of the 44th of the ISing, The KOLL Gentleman admitted that' it would have been riht, in the first instance, to with., hold this rank. What ought not to be granted at all, ought certainly not-to be continued when unad• visedly granted. - Mr. PERCIVAL asked, whether it was intended to apply the same Regulations to Militia Officers; or,' whether ,they were to stand on the same footing with the Regulars ? Mr. Secretary IVEWIL4 31 replied, that this Bill was not to apply to atticers of ;Militia !t1 tho 0E176 manner as to Volunteer Officers. There were differ-1 entdescriptionsof different degrees of discipline, and the nearer any one approached to the perfeetion of the Regulars, the less necessary it was to resoft to such precautions as that contained in the 13111. Mr. PERCIVAL then added, that there were many persons Colonels commanding Regiments of Volunteers who had served in high rank in the. Re gulars, and who were as well, if not better, qualified to, take the commands .of Officers of. the . Line as any Militia Colonels.. Mr. HOLT LEE thought that the effe& of ,the measure would be to produce a degradation 'of the • Commanding Officers of Volunteer Corps in the eyes of those theyeommanded. He wished to know whether the operation of the Bill was to have force only in the event of the Volunteers being called into a&ual service ? Mr. 'Sdcretary WINDHAM replied, whenever the Volunteers may be drawn out to a& with the Army—unless in that case the provision of the Bill would be a mockery. The Bill was then read a second time; to be com mitted to-morrow. The Irish Quit Rents Bill .passed through a Corn mittee.—To be reported to-morrow. AUDITORS' BILL. Lord HENRY PETTY, moved the Order of the Day for the second reading of the Auditors' Bill. • Mr., TYRIPHIT JONES had no expeCtation that any thing lie could say would induce the Noble Lord to abandon the Bill, but could not omit that 'opportunity of entering his protest against the Mea sure, which, according to the Noble Lord's own statement, was to allow a part of the 4 . 50,000,0001. which were unaccounted for, to pass as paid, and without vouchers. Mr. ROSE argued at great length, and on the ' same ground as in various former stages ()Cale Bill, to show that in' fa& the far' greater part of. the 4.56,000,0001. so pompously stated to-be unaccount ed for consiSted , of mere formal accounts. He con tended that .the existing Board was• fully competent to; the audit of the Public Acco t unts, with the ad dition of a few Clerk and Inspedorc,,and that the , Bill before the Reuse contained nothing new, nor any efficient provision that was not to be found in the Bill which he had himself framed on a former occasion, and was at present i n force. The Right Hon. Gentleman detailed with much precision the various steps that had at different times been taken to bring up the arrear of Public Accounts, and Ad verted to NUM: instances of dethulters. Lord HENRY PETTY replied that the mea-' sure under 'consideration had been adopted on the representations of those best qualified tojudge of the propriety and expediency of it ; representations which he had reason to think had been made to the late, as well as to the present Treasury. He con tended, and; when experience would afford a crite. rion of the fati, should contend, that this measure contained provisions both new and efficient, bdth in the distinCtion of the Boards, and ,the classifica tion of the accounts' into those in arrear, these now under audit, and thecurrent accounts: The Noble - Lord then referred to the authority of the Auditors themselves ; and read an extra& from a letter from. them to therreasury, in 1800, to. skew that the gunk Accounts - . were part of the Public Accounts that ought to_ bet audited by a separate and inde pendent'Boath. Hi then read -an extraei of a letter from the prelent Auditors to the Treasury, dated the 24th Julie; whieh stated, that the present num ber employed' in their Office was twenty-seven, in cl tiding three Inspedors ' they ought-to be increased to thirty-five, including the same number of Inspe,!..tors arid thatthough they had applied more labour to.the business of their Office during the last two years than was usual in the praecice of Office, they had not been able to get through as much of the Public Accounts as was equal to the ordinary Accounts of those two years. Mr. HUSICISSON allowed that the delay .of auditing Public' Accounts was an encouragement to fraud; and 'went to prevent proper persons front wishing to become Public Accountants. He spoke in commendation of the system adopted by the late Chancellor of the Exchequer. He had the fullest confidence in the Commissioners who. composed the present Board of Audit, and the Clerks annexed. He complained of the mode of swelling the sum now said to be unaccounted for, .by including the same identical . sum several times in every Account ant's hands through which they had to pass.' It was Only those Accountants that had a discretionary power that ought to be checked. It was the in tention of the late Chancellor of the .Exchequer to prevent any considerable discretionary expellee in' any Department of the Public Service, without the previous santion of the Treasury, which was to un dertake all the responsibility. The Bill then went through the. Committee. Mr. Ross took the opportunity of this stage, to repeat his former objections to the Bill. Mr. PAnwzu. answered Mr. Rose, .stating, that however small the .portion of the sum unaudited that may be recoverable to the Public, or totally lost to it, the vast sums unaudited ought to be examined.' Mr. TYRWHIT JONES contended, that if there was but a very small, sum .comparatively that had not undergone a .sotlicient examination, it was not necessary,with a view to the small_ altogether unaudited, tq appoint additional Commissioners. That sum Was altogether but 22,000,p001. - On the Clause for filling up the blank for the Of the commissioners with the word ten, Mr, PERCIVAL argued, at length, that so many were not necessary. Under. this :Bill there would be nineteen Commissioners, instead, of eleven, as at present. He proposed to 6.11 up the blank with the number six, instead of the number ten. :' Mr. Wicitit„tx defended the increased esiablish , them, on the ground that it was no more than was proportioned to the increased expenditure and the increased arre.ar ; he meant particularly ,the arrears of the Paymaster-General, which required a sub stantial audit, and Which had remained unaudited for twenty' years. A long conversation ensued, in which the Clause was opposed by Mr. HUSKIsSON, Lord' 'CASTLE. it'sno - n, and Mr. ROsE; and defended by Mr. WICK MAU and Sir J 01124 NiZWPoRT, who stated a balance of 41,0.001 due on the escount or Robert Gordon, Lsq. Commissary-General at Cork from the year 1776 to 1780, a sum Nt•hich was now Many :t,st to the public, though it might have been recovered if looked after in time. The number was tiled at ten ultimately. On the Clauses for fixing the Sala. ries •thi:. QiiituruissigLers,