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RAIL NV AN COMMITTEES, ROUSE OF COMMONS.—(YESTERDAY.) GROUP VI. WILTS, SODIZRSET, AND VTZVIVIOUTII ABILNDMZNT (NO. XX.) The Committee announced at the commencement of the proceedings that they regretted to have to state that they had received a note from Mr. Deedes (the chairman of the Committee), containing also the certificate of his medical adviser, that he was completely incapacitated from attending the Committee to-day, but hoped to be able to do so on Monday nest. Mr. Round presided in the absence of the Honourable Member. The first witness called was Mr. Maitland, late surveyor of the Sheptoa Mallet turnpike roads. His evidence went to show the importance of the town of Shepton Mallet, and the advantages to be derived from a railway communicating with that towiL Mr. Spencer, brewer, of Shepton Mallet, gave evidence of a similar character as to the importance of the town of Shep• ton Mallet. Mr. Paul, farmer, 'Nir Sherborne, Mr. Saxen, farmer, of Brutou, Mr. Clarke, chairman to the board of guardians at Wincanton, gave evidence in favour of the line. The Committee then adjourned till Monday next. GROUP XV. TUE EA .STERAT COUNTIES (CAMBRIDGE, ROYSTON, AND WARE, &c.) (Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.) Mr. Borthwick, C.E., was then examined in support of the Bill. The Committee adjourned at four o'clock. GROUP XVII. (Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.) GRMAT NO72.II 4 RERN (DEVIATIONS PROM LONDON TO GRANTHAM). Mr. Packe, the Deputy-Chairman of the Company, and Mr. Charles Miller, ex-Mayor of Grantham, were also ex amined in favour of the line. This closed the case of the promoters; when that for the opposition was proceeded with. Mr. Welby, M.P. for Grantham, was then examined, and gave evidence as to the injury which would be caused to Mr. Oastler's house by the proposed deviation. Mr. Wood, the architect who built the house and Mr. o.lstler's agent, confirmed this evidence. The Committee then adjourned till twelve o'clock on Monday. GROUP XVIII. The Committee met this morning at twelve o'clock—the Earl of Lincoln in the chair—when Mr. TALBOT replied on behalf of the Great Western Corn pany, and, after clearing away all the erroneous suppositions, that he or his clients intend any the slightest disrespect to the inhabitants of Cheltenham, proceeded to say that he be lieved that they were fully entitled to have all their com plaints freely and thoroughly investigated. The view which he had always taken was :hat a priori, most astounding, that, in this happy =intr.', which had been the parent of such eminent engineering skill, there should be found slush _- case of difficulty in Cheltenham, that men like Mr.' who possessed not only a European but an eis . ..te reputa tion, were unable to grapple with it. As e a Englishman, he must say that it would to him be a :natter of affliction if any such insurmountable obstacle could exist. Here there had been not only the talents of Mr. Brunel, but of Mr. Cubitt, Sir J. Rennie. Mr. ;eimpson, :and Mr. Hawkshaw applied to investigate th> causes of this difficulty, and to ascertain the best mean s of surmounting it. But the doubt which he entertained, if he entertained it at all, was al together removes' when he remembered that, peculiar as the soil of Cheltennam might be—and peculiar it certainly was—. the very same difficulty had been overcome by Mr. Stephen son in his :vorks on the North-Western Railway at Camden town. - e we was free to confess, in his opening speech to the Committee, now about nanonth ago, he had been somewhat rash, forhe had mixed hilifself and Mr. Brunel up with things which sere different from each other in their character, and had stated, as, indeed, he must state now, namely, that the passage through Cheltenham was, and was intended to be, nei t her more nor less than a common railway cutting; and if there was a difficulty at all from the pressure of the wets?, it surely would be ascertained by the present condi tion, of the sewer that had been formed by the construction of the Gloucester Railway. They had proved the level of the 'sewers ; they had called Mr. Paul, who had been the sur veyor of the sewers, as well as several other witnesses, and those witnesses had proved that the level of the sewer was precisely the same la 1846 as it was in 1845, and that in 1845 it was precisely the same as it was in the v: or 1836. It was true that there had been some evidence which proved that the height of the water in the wells had been altered. Bat was it likely to be otht tevis. , when, during the last few years, there had been a population growing up cf tens of thousands, and when every man who sank his well lower than Isis neighbour, robbed him of the quantity of water that he had previously enjoyed ? Why, there was pre cieen- a similar case going on in another room, where the Liverpool corporation had shown that they had become alarmed by the abstraction of their usual supply of water, and they had sunk a well down into the sandstone, and had succeeded in draining the springs for three thousand feet on each side of it. And all the witnesses who had been ad • duced from Cheltenham had each stated that when they had sunk their well lower, they had each recovered the water that had been abstracted by the formation of the sewer. Further than this, it had been put in evidence by Mr. Dawke, that only at a distance of 374 yards from the Gloucester Railway, the water absolutely stood higher in the sand than it did in the cutting of the line; and every engi neer who had been called on the other side had all, without a single exception, repudiated every notion that the water would be permanently abstracted. Mr. Wood, Mr. Locke, Mr. Leather. and Mr. Gibbs, had all said that, although the work would be difficult and expen sive, yet, atter all, the water would not be permanently, even if it were temporarily, abstracted ; and even Mr. Stephenson himself had allowed that the level of the water would not be permanently altered. In truth, it was the wit nesses fur the Great Western project who had stated most strongly the difficulties which would have to be encountered. Mr. Brunel's plan was to pump ot. tire water from the exca vation by small portions at a time, so that the in stance which had been adduced by Mr. Stephenson of the pressure cf forty feet at the Kilsby tunnel was not a case at all in point, arid he must charge that gentleman with something like disiHgenuousness in making such a charge. It had been asserted, from the letter of Mr. Close, that the water had been reduced eight feet in the line of its level, but on cross-examination that gentleman had ad mitted that hie letter was awkwardly expressed, and that a casual reader might have so understood him, but that in reality it was not so. This was his answer to the Cheltenham case, and he firmly believed that if the respectable inhabitants of that place beard such eminent men as Mr. Locke and Mr. Gibbs state that it was merely a matter of expense to the company, the whole of their opposition would be immediately with drawn. Then, as to that great objection respecting the station at Cheltenham, it had been shown that the flow there was upwards instead of downwards; and even if there were, as was represented, a pressure at that point of 5 feet 9 inches, a flooring of 2 feet 4 1 / 2 inches would be amply sufficient. And with respect to the assertion that the water could never pass under the railway in the way which was supposed, ]lr. Stephenson himself had allowed, that even if the piling did prevent its crossing at one particular plane, it would follow the bend of the work and ultimately find its way after the same course. Then as to the attack on the estimates, an attack which he had hoped never to see, and which of all things he least expected from a company of such railway experience as the North-Western, he would show that it ws.e utterly groundless and insufficient for its object. The works had been estimated at 60,0001., and the land at 85,0001. ; but Mr. Haynes and Mr. Dawke had together made out that those were quite insufficient, and that they ought for all these purposes to be at least 287,0001.; but evon Mr. Stephenson himself had not ventured to attack these calcu lations; and even it the allegations of excess were correct, if it was true OA the works would cost 90,000/, more than they had been estimated, there was still an ample supply in the million which Mr. Brunel had taken as the capital for the line, for out of it there were 200,000/. for which no occupation had been provided. He had made these remarks, because he really expected that the main ground of objection would be the abstraction of the water. As to the assertion that there would be great injury to the house property in Chel tenham, Mr. Brunel had shown that there were only six houses which would in any way be affected, at least injuri ously, iu the whole of the town, and with the present mania for central stations, it was impossible to prevent some injury; but, taking the main case which had been brought forward— he meant that of the Wesleyan chapel and the place of worship used by the followers of LadyHuntizigdon,—he thought the Committee would not consider it to be of much import ance, when they recollected that since the construction of the line, a gorgeous ecclesiastical edifice had been erected within fifty-five yards of the Great Western Railway. This, he be. lieved, would close all that he had to say respecting the Cheltenham case, and he would now proceed to unfold the second volume of this same work, of which one was quite sufficient, and to enter upon what he believed to be the real merits of the case. He was not blind to what was passing around him, and allowing for them all the importance of the representations in the fourth estate of the realm, and acceding at once to the assertions of the difficulty of raising capital at the present time, he would at the same time express his conviction that it was in no way applicable to the opposition of the North-Western Company ' • for if it wer e applicable to all, it was equally appli ca bl e t o both companies, and was easily to be met by the insertion of a clause giving a power to construct the line in tive or six years instead of three. He trusted, therefore, that the Committee would at once come to a decision upon the matter. There must be railway communication to Cheltenham. That was a matter upon which no one could entertain a doubt, and that being the case, the only question was by whom it, should be made. There had already been ten veers of litigation, and a very expensive litigation it had been. Then, on what principles were they to decide? Ilildyard had, in the first blow which he levelled, opened the whole subject of which gauge was to be preferred. The Great Western Company had already a line front Fish guard, through South Wales, and had indeed opened up the whole ho s of the c ountry to this district, with a view to shorten Bill o di f ttahnact pa e e b o e m twe n e; Ireland and Ole metropolis ; and if the were to be grant e d, th ere wou ld b e an unbroken and continuous communication all the way ; whereas, if they interposed the narrow gauge, if they did freak the communication , they would at l eas t very ser i ous l y cripple it. Th at thi s was a question of i mmense i mportance to the Forest of De an there could be no doubt, for if this Grew must of necessity break of gauge were allowed, be cut off; and that coal which pound from the pocket of the purchaser at CheltenZma Ou g h t , according to be sold OnOf tl t i l e e ir i n r e arr a l P o ' l, ll e ff i n c t a e s t e r there was atto t i h 7, e s. 2 re d p . res a enLa m ti . ons d y coalfields, gauge, already access to the Derbysh and only allow the Staffordshire coal to come b Committee gaug e, and they would at once insulate the Foreset Bill, and yo:nththt much as if there was no re r a ai m l b w le a and the coal as bourhood at all. But allow the he p west, make CI broad gauge line from t would give, not 0n.., Iv in Cheltenham, but in Oxford also, a Th e fthe different districts. to discuss the legal effect fair competition for the coals o Learee,l Counsel then went on of the report of the Boa' • I of Trade on the aspectiv merit of the gauges, and stated that a clause wXr inserted to show what the g auge should be, and unless the Committee were prepared p rac ti ca ll y t o repea l an Act of Parliament, which they were only called upon to administer to the _ satis faction of the public, th e G reat W es t ern Company would get to London by th e i r own b roa d gau ge line, and westward of Cheltenham there was an uninterrupted chain of communication on the same gauge. The question then was, on what principle were they to act in joining these two portions of the line hetw , 4- , Fisliguard and the metro polis. Mr. Ilildyard had rig,..:y stated that public enter prise had taken its tone from the reports of the Board of Trade, and those reports had evidently shown that if the commu nication between the Welsh coal-fields and the manufacturing districts of the north werenecessary, it was equally advisable that the communication east and west should be on the broad gauge. Mr. Talbot then read the Earl of Dalhousie's remarks in the report, to show how Newport, Swansea, and other places would be affected, and to prove that there wag an absolute requisition for a coast line to bring them into THE SUN, LONDON, SATURDAY EVENING, MAY 15, 1847 ; contact with the districts eastward. The South Wales I line, therefore, was the line for the mineral traffic, and if for the mineral traffic, then for all other species of traffic that could be brought upon it ; and they had therefore bushto judge in thew h p e l t a h c e e r otth the w wou broad ld take the e 1 n t n h a e r i r i o a w n d . gaugeil They yn hadth e already got the broad gauge aL, Hereford, and all th._ evidence of their opponents had gone to show that the traffic of the narrow gauge ought to be, and was, naturrally northwards. M. Hildyard had not been content with attacking the line under discussion ' but had levelled his remarks at th e ma i n line of the South Wales itself ; and had stated because it hugged the coast, as he termed it, that it was unnecessary, f ro m its adjacency to the River Severn and the Bristol Channel. Why, it was well known that the very reason why that railway was necessary was the tediousness, the uncertainty, • and the risk of that passage. And certainly wonders would never cease, for it was perfectly astounding that the North- Western Company should allege such an argument in the teeth of the very fact that they were themselves reaping in ordinate profits from carrying' merchandise to Edinburgh, in competition with the very best system of steam navigation that this country had ever possessed ; and had, in consequence of its powers, almost absolutely ruined some of the best canals of the country. The Learned Counsel then entered into an examination of the relative advantages of the two schemes to the public, from the facilities which they gave at the ports of Gloucester and London, and showed that whatever might be the present possessions of the North-Western :Company, the Great Western had at least as powerful means for meeting the necessities of public accommodation, and stated his belief that in these days it was impossible to live in apathy or quiet, and it was therefore evident that this line would be made by some party, and the Great Western Company were, in his opinion, entitled :to its construction. The Learned Counsel then went into an examination of the convenience that would be obtained by the construction of the Bir mingham and Oxford line, and the consequences that would flow from the establishment of the several projects, which extended to the south-west, and concluded a long and power ful speech a little before four o'clock, when The Committee intimated that they would give their de cision as soon as they received the report of the Railway Commissioners, unless something should transpire in the course of the cases about to come under their consideration that they ought to postpone the declaration of it till those cases had been hea4. SANDWICH HAVEN. This Committee met again to-day, in No. 17 Committee room, at twelve o'clock, when further evidence in favour of this Bill was adduced. The witnesses agreed in stating that the dredging of the water would be productive of the greatest good to the naviga tion, and might be accompliThed at no great outlay of capital. Adjourned until Monday. LIVERPOOL GAS COMPANY—LIVERPOOL GUAR DIAN GAS COMPANY—ASHTON GAS COMPANY. The Committee re-assembled again this morning at the usual hour. Evidence in favour of the first-mentioned Bill was con tinued. Its object is to extend the operations of the com pany, and to increase the capital to 200,0001. It is opposed by the second-mentioned company, and by the corporation and some of the rate-payers, consumers of gas. Mr. Milard, the accountant to the company, was examined at great length with respect to the past operations of the company, and as to the necessity for increasing the supply of gas to the inhabitants. Adjourned until Monday. SAFFRON WALDEN RATES BILL. This Committee met at twelve; Mr. Gisbourne in the chair, and read and agre e d t o th e c l auses o f t h e S a ff ron Waldon Rates BilL They then rose. METROPOLITAN SEWAGE MANURE. After hearing Mr. Hopwood against the Bill, the Corn rnittee declared the preamble proved. AYR HARBOUR BILL. After hearing some evidence on behalf of this Bill, the Committee decided that the preamble was not proved. SWANSEA DOCKS. The Committee on this Bill met this morning at twelve o'clock ; Mr. llodgson Hinde in the chair. The object of the Bill is to obtain power for the construction of docks at the port of Swansea, and it is opposed on behalf of the harbour trustees, who apprehend injury to the piers and quays. Mr. HILL, Q.C., replied on behalf of the promoters, show ing that there were clauses in this Bill which would oblige them to repair any damage they might occasion to the prc perty of the trustees. LIVERPOOL WATERWORKS. Tho Committee met this morning—Sir J. Johnstone in the chair—and proceeded with the opposition of the landowners, Mr. Winstanley, the eminent surveyor, and several other witnesses, being examined to show the injury that would he done to property by the construction of the works, especially to that of Mr. Benderley, of whose land 135 acres are to be taken. 4 G ..4 . a a; t., r) :•.t. Z '- ho C.: , a IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT HOUSE OF LORDS, May 14. The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Woolsack at Five o'clock. A number of Bills were brought up from the House of Comnwns. TEIE TOWNSIIEND PEERAGE. Mr. AUSTIN having concluded his address in this case shortly before the assembling of their Lordships, a num ber of papers were handed in, and attested by witnesses on oath at the bar. The Bill was then read a second time. THE FACTORIES BILL. Lord FEVERSHAM presented a petition from Leeds, signed by 28,300 persons, in favour of this Bill. IMMIGRATION OF IRISH PAUPERS. Lord CAMPBELL said he had a petition to present from Liverpool. It had been sent him on account of his connexion with the Duchy of Lancaster. They com plained that, since the Ist of January of the present year, 150,000 destitute Irish paupers had migrated into Liverpool, taking up their residence in the town and neighbourhood, taking possession of cellars condemned as human habitations ; and that is these places fever, small-pox, and dysentery had broken out. 'They peti tioned that their Lordships, in order to save them from not only this pressure upon the poor-rates, but from the contagion which was spreading into every quarter. LUNATIC ASYLUMS BILL. The NOBLE AND LEARNED LORD moved that this Bill should go into Committee pro forma. The Duke of RICHMOND was opposed to the pro gress of this Bill. Ha had opposed the original Bill, but the present changed the only redeeming parts of that old Bill. Lord CAMPBELL said it would be committed pro formd, and ample opportunity for discussion would be offered when it was in Committee. The Bill then went through EDUCATION. Committee pro forma. The Bishop of EXETER gave notice that he would, on Tuesday next, ask the Government a question, in regard to a communication made to a deputation of Dis senters on the subject of education. POOR REMOVAL ACT. Earl FORTESCUE presented several petitions in favour of the Poor Removal Act. TEN HOURS' BILL. Lord STANLEY presented several petitions in favour of the Ten Hours' Bill. One of them had received ten thousand signatures. Lord BROUGHAM presented several petitions to the same effect. The Duke of RICHMOND presented four petitions from the West Riding of Yorkshire, which were also to the same effect. Lord FEVERSHAM presented a petition to the same effect, which had received the signature of twenty-eight thousand persons. IRISH POOR RELIEF BILL. Earl FITZ WILLIAbI moved for a return from each rateable district, whether union, elec toral division, or otherwise, of the rates struck, levied, or in arrear, under the provisions of the Act for the temporary relief of destitute persons; also, an account of the number of persons, distinguish ing males and females, adults and children, to be relieved in each district, according to those provisions of the said Act, by which the lists of such persons are to be made out within each division; also, a return of the estimates made by the relief committee of each electoral division, of the sum needed from time to time for the purchase of food, under the provisions of clause 7 of the said Act ; and also a statement of the rate per cent. of the rates, whether struck or levied upon the valuation of the district according to the poor-law va l ua tio n . He had ask e d hi s Noble Friend to give him some infor mation upon these points, but he was unable to do so, and he was therefore most anxious that the House should have such documents in their possession as would en able them to come to a sound and accurate judgment. And he could assure the House that there was a great difference between rates struck and rates levied (Laughter.) It was quite easy for the officer to strike a rate, but it was quite another matter to collect it. After a few words from Lord BROUGHAM, The Marquis of LANSDOWNE suggested that the Noble Lord should postpone the motion which he had submitted to the House. After some further conversation, Earl FITZ WILLIAM. consented to postpone his motion until Monday. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE rose again and said that, in the Committee on this Bill, after considerable difficulty in fixing a limit to the duration of the measure, he then stated that he would res, rve to himself to take that course which in!ght think proper at the subsequent stages of the Bill. It was now his duty to retain the opinion which he expressed in Committee, namely, to strike out of the Bill those clauses which were intended to affix a limit to the measure, or to make it of a temporary nature. The arguments on both sidi's lay in a very narrow compass. It was stated by :hose Lords who wished to affix a limit to this mea sure, that it was in a great degree experimental. lie admitted on introducing the Bill, and he now re peated it, that the measure was of an experimental na ture, but he still as strongly objected to have any fixed period assigned for its duration.—(Hear, hear.) He also was oppOsed to its being made a temporary mea sure, from the difficulties which they would have to en counter in carrying it out; and in the course of time they would be enabled to ascertain the nature of those difficulties, and to be, as a matter of course, in a better position than at present to amend them. Of course their Lordships would reserve to themselves the power of reconsidering the measure in two, three, or even ten years hence ; unless they reserved this power, the greatest inconvenience would result. An additional rea son in favour of the permanency of the measure was to be found in the diversified arguments of Noble Lords in favour of the limitation of the Bill, some being in favour of one year, some one year and a half, and some !Or its limitation to five years—(Hear, hear)—that in itself was an additional reason why they should not anticipate the duration of the measure, but more espe cially was it inexpedient to do so at the present moment. The experience which they had had of Ireland ought to prevent them from passing the Bill as a temporary one.—(Hear, hear.) The House of Commons intended that it should be a permanent measure; that, however, was no reason why it should not be submitted to revision like all other measures.—(Bear, hear.) They might her. U n d er t h ese c i rcumstances or h pa e sa b sb e ir g to g ga e sa d tae to t jetm move aplot ro ag.measure, and sub s equently alt er that their Lordships do disapprove of those clauses which made the Bill a temporary one. Lord BROUGHAM begged to say that he maintained the opinions he had formerly expressed. He was the first per son that had suggested the expediency of making it tempo. rary, and not permanent. He retained that opinion still, al though he highly approved of the suggestions of the Noble Marquis, and did not think they would lose anything by taking the discussion in that way. He was surprised, however, at the line of argument adopted by the Noble Marquis. Had he not distinctly heard him say that he was about to move that the clauses giving a temporary character to the Bill should be omitted, he would, he confessed, have believed that he was arguing in favour of the course adopted by the Commit tee for making the measure a temporary one.—( Hear, hear.) fie said the ides of binding themselves to use their discretion at an after-time was most absurd. He agreed that the measure ought only to be temporary, and he thought so because it was new in system and gave out door relief. The Noble Marquis himself admitted that the measure was only an experiment; yes, a great experiment—a hazardous experiment encompassed with every risk. Surely, it ought to be but a temporary enactment. Did they forget the measure of 1i 4 34, that it was made a temporary measure, and that merely ? He felt that he must vote against the motion. Lord CAMPBELL thought the Learned Lerd had surely never read the measure as amended. Never was /a refine le veut or iv voile veut pronounced over a more miserable farce of legislation If the Noble Earl on his right had moved a clause at the close of the Bill that it be in force for three or five years, that would have been in the regular course of legislation. But the Bill as it stood contained clauses at utter variance with each other. It contained four clauses, severally permitting the giving of out-door relief; of provisional relief without the knowledge of the guardians and of medical relief. These were temporary. But there were clauses inserted by the Noble Lord which quite stultified these. Clause 3 was to be a per manent clause; and it enacted that an exact return should be made of all applicants for every kind of relief-- medical and out-door relief. In 18.50 the powers to grant out-door relief would have failed. But it did not cease then. There was a clause respecting er-officio guardians. He would not go through all the details of the Bill to point out its various incongruities. They had the confessions of three-fourths of those who voted for the Bill that they did not know what they were about. • Lord MONTEAGLE said, though he had net the experi ence in legal matters that his Noble and Learned Friend pos sessed, yet he thought the fallacies in this case were so potent that even an unlearned person could discover them. Medical relief differed altogether from what was called out-door relief. There was no inconsistency in the measure, as it clearly pro vided that out-door relief should be given for three years, and that the Commissioners should have the power of controlling and regulating it. And the other objections of his Noble Friend were equally untenable, namely, that permanent and temporary clauses in a Bill were irreconcilable. The charter of the Bank of England and of the East India Company, for instance, contained temporary clauses with others which were perpetual, and therefore the insertion of clauses of this kind in the Bill was no novelty, and was no evidence of inexperience on his part. Therefore, as the Bill stoo d i t was partly temporary and partly the reverse, but they should bear in mind that the temporary part related to the most important and at the same time the most serious part of the Act. Nothing was more likely to prove fatal to the measure than making it permanent, because it proposed the introduction of u dangerous principle, which its supporters ad mitted to be purely experimental. If they believed that the experiment would be successful let them make it permanent, but if they felt that they were introducing a dangerous expe riment—a f r i g h tful one, in his opinion, if they thought they were gropi ng i n the dark, he asked them to support the clause which he had succeeded in carrying. —( Hear, hear.) If the Bill were temporary it would be more successful and more advantageous, because it would be tried at a time when every one was interested in securing its success, owing to the calamity which had visited Ireland, from which they could hardly expect she could extricate herself in the next three years. He denied that there was any truth in the statement which had been made, that he had brought forward his amend ment for the purpose of defeating the measure ; his sole object was to render it more efficient and less injurious than as it came before them. His Noble Friend the Postmaster-General (the Marquis of Clanricarde) in 1843, when he was connected with the administration of affairs in Ireland, was strongly opposed to out-door relief ; and said that he wondered that any man could have the hardihood to introduce a Bill to carry into effect such a system, as it would lead to the confiscation of property, and to the greatest misery and injustice. He considered the propositio n of the Noble Marquis ( LansdoWne) hardly respectful to the Noble Lords who, in Committee, sup ported his clause. To them he appealed to continue that sup port to it, and not to consent tothe proposition of the Noble Marquis. The Marquis of CL ANRICARDE said his Noble Friend had, in his clause, lost sight of the main principles of out door relief, and had confined it to its least important matters. He admitted that, at the time to which the Noble Lord had re ferred, that he was strongly opposed to out-door relief ; and, if the circumstances were the same at present, he might, no doubt, have been of the same opinion ; but at that time he contended that out-door relief should be giveu to the indigent poor, and ho was of the same opinion now, and that I the state of I re l an d rendered out-door relief to th e ' able bodied indispensable to their preservation. —(Hear.) If they taught the people of Ireland that the Bill was merely I intended to meet the present emergency, and to be abrogated ‘ as soon as it had passed away, he considered that it would be fraught with the greatest danger to both countries; but if it were p: sled as proposed, it would settle the public mind on the subject ; its principles and objects would become generally known, and the people would know the p• - sition in which they were placed ; and, therefore, he should vote for the Bill being made a permanent one. Earl WICKLOW hoped their Lordships would not depart from their original decision. It had been said that if the measure were made a temporary one, that the guardians would work ineffectually; but he considered that the best way to sea how they would work for the future, was by making the Bill a temporary one. He was in favour of its permanency, and had proposed a motion to that effect, in order that the subject might in a few years come again under revision, when the experience which they would have obtained would enable them to maturely improve its provisions. If their Lordships' should not confirm their former decision, he should feel it his duty to move, when they came to the last clause, that the Bill si:ould be limited to three years. The Earl of RIPON said that after having given the Bill the most minute attention and consideration he had come to the conclusion that this measure was not calculated to relieve the evils which at present afflicted Ireland. A system of out door relief might indeed provide for a few able-bodied poor, but it certainly would not enable them to provide for their fa milies. The principle, as applied to England, had not had that effect, it did not therefore appear likely to have it with regard to Ireland, lie hoped their Lordships would most se riously consider the matter before applying to Ireland perma nently a measure of the effect of which they were not able to judge, and which was by no means certain to be carried effec tually into operation. The Earl of RODEN said that he trusted that their Lord ships had sufficiently considered this Bill to have enabled them to have come to the conclusion that it might be benficial if passed temporarily, but as a permanent measure would be worse than useless. If it were once passed by that House as a temporary measure, all classes in Ireland would have the greatest anxiety to carry it well into effect, however much they might dissent from many of its clauses ; but if it were in flicted upon them as a permanent Bill, not only would its ope ration be inefficient, but most likely productive of mischief. If the Bill worked well, nothing could be easier than after wards to render it a permanent one, but if worked badly, they would have round their necks a burden which they would be unable to relieve themselves of. Earl FITZWILLIAM (who was indistinctly heard) en tirely concurred in the observations of the Noble Lord who had last spoken. With regard to the nature of this Bill, he thought that if it were to be applied as a permanent act of Legislation the difficulties in its administration would be in creased tenfold ; and their Lordships would have no oppor tunity of revising the decision they had given should the mea sure prove to be inoperative, or mischievous in its effects. He thought that the most serious consideration should be given by their Lordships to the whole matter, before they affirmed a principle which would saddle Ireland with a permanent Bill— of the operation of which, whether for good or evil they were at present utterly unable to form an opinion. Earl FORTESCUE said, he was of opinion that the diffi culties on the subject of this Bill would be considerably in creased if they adopted the proposal of the opponents to the Bill. One of the arguments in favour of this commission was, that after a course of five years, it would be found whether it worked well or ill. (The Noble Earl was almost inaudible. ) The Archbishop of DUBLIN—His opinions on this Bill were unchanged. The opponents to this Bill were still of opinion that there was too great a difference between Ireland and England to render the application of this Bill to the former country effective. This Bill was a very hasardous experiment, though he did not blame those who brought forward the mea sure, for they had but a choice of evils. He could most solemnly assure their Lordships, that he was only hostile to this measure from its being, as he had just said, a most hazard ous experiment. If they legislated on the principle of this Bill for Ireland, they would find it impossible to recede from that principle afterwards. He would wish to see the Bill in operation for a short time, and then that their Lordships should be imperatively called upon to revise it if that were found to be necessary. There was another class who should be considered in le3islating on this subject, namely, the clergy, and who, in the affl,ction that had visited Ireland, had been foremost in relieving the people of all religious deno minations.—( Hear, hear.) The clergy had made many sacrifices to relieve that distress, and except in the cases of a few fanatical persons, without any attempt at proselytism. And it was this class, he asserted without fear of contradiction, that would suffer from the burden that would be imposed by this Bill. The clergy were supposed to be rated to the poor-rates, but when the tithe commutation was made in England it was sup . posed to be free of all rates and taxes. When, however, the commutation of the tithes in Ireland took place it was con sidered as the rental of the property minus the poor-rate, there being at that time no poor-rates in existence in Ireland. He considered that the clergy would be placed under consider able hardship by the passing of this measure. He could not forbear bearing his humble testimony to the constant and uni • form attention which the Lord-Lieutenant had paid to the best and purest interests of the Church of England in that country. That nobleman had rendered many great and important services to the church, and he begged to tender I both to him and to her Majesty's adviser, his most grateful thanks for the attention they had paid to that important sub ject.—( Hear, hear.) The sound judgment, and the firmness ' which he had invariably displayed in the performance of the difficult duties which devolved upon him, would render his government in that country worthy to be long remembered by the people of Ireland.—(Cheers.) The Marquis of CONYNGHAM could not participate in the fears which had been expressed by many Noble Lords as to the result of the working of this measure. He believed that by establishing a principle of out-door relief. a great deal would be done to ameliorate the condition of the people of Ireland. This Bill would discourage that fearful amount of crime and misery which existed in Ireland, by telling the people of that country that they had a right to relief from their more wealthy neigh bours, and that they need not starve or perish through age or infirmity, or for want of the common necessaries of life. The Bill would also compel the landlords to look more closely to their own interests, and to attend more to the cultivation of the soil than they had hitherto done. He did not entertain so Utopian a notion as to suppose that this measure would prove a panacea for all the evils which afflicted Ireland. He thought, however, that it was a step its the right direction. He should most certainly support the Bill. Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, When there appeared for the motion, Contents (present) Non-contents (present) Majority in favour of the resolution... —l2 Had the proxies been called their numbers would (as we un derstood) have been Contents Non-contents Majority of proxies in favour of the motion Majority present in favour of the motion Total majority for Ministers .. —3O The Earl of CLANCARTY then proposed the following amendment to the first clause And whereas, from the in sufficiency of room, or some other cause, the guardians of the poor may be sometimes unable to afford relief within the workhouse to all who are proper objects to be so relieved ; be it enacted that if at any time it should be shown to the satis. faction of the Poor-law Commissioners, that by reason of the want of room in the workhouse for any more, adequate relief cannot be afforded therein, or by reason of fever or infectious disease, or are unfit for the reception of poor persons, or that by reason of the dilapidated state of the workhouse suitable accommodation cannot be afforded therein for the destitute poor, it shall be lawful for the Commissioners to empower the guardians for any time not exceeding six months from the date of such order, to administer relief out of the workhouse, to such destitute poor persons applying for relief, as cannot be reeeived and maintained in it ; and they shall be empowered accordingly to make provision for their relief for the time specified in the order, provided that all relief given out of the workhouse shall be given in food ; only save in any case of sudden or urgent necessity, with power to the Com missioners to revoke the order within the period for which it may have been issued, or to renew and extend the same from time to time, so as to extend the period of its operation, as the circumstances of the case may require." Earl GREY opposed the amendment, on the ground that the Bill, as it stood, effected the object which the Noble Earl seemed to have in view, or the permanently disabled poor would only receive relief out of the workhouse when it was unable to receive them. The Bill had been carefully drawn up. The amendment was negatived without a division. The Earl of LUCAN then moved the following clauses— " That for the purpose of charging the expense of relief to every electoral division, no person shall after the passing of this Act be deemed to have been resident in such electoral division, unless during the three years before his admission to the workhouse, or his receiving any relief whatever, he had occupied some tenement within such division kr thirty calendar months, or if he have not occupied such tenement, have slept within such division for the space of thirty calendar months." After a few words from several Noble Lords, the clause was agreed to. Lord MONTEAGLE moved a clause that no sums of money granted fur the relief of destitute persons, should be applied for the payment of rent. After a few words from Earl GREY, The clause was withdrawn, and the report was agreed to. Several Bills were the❑ forwarded a stage, and Their Lordships adjourned shortly after Half-past Ten o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS. May 14. The SPEAKER took the Chair shortly before Four o'clock. The following Bills were read a second time, and ordered to be committed : British American Land Company. Van Diemen's Land Company. GROUP XIX. This Committee met to-day at twelve o'clock ; ➢ir. Dennis toun in the chair. COVENTRY, na.NIWILY. AND OXFORD (FROM souTHAra TO COVENTRY.) The case on behalf of this Bill was resumed. _ Mr. Fuller, a surveyor, was examined at some length as to the value of the land and the nature of the property which the line intersected. The remainder of the sitting was occupied with qposition evidence, when the Committee adjourned till Monday at twelve o'clock. GROUP V. (Continued from our &n... noon Edition of yesterday. MOLD. Fur" aaffic evidence was received from the promoters &Ills railway. The formal proofs were then put in, and the room was cleared. DECISION. On the re-admission of parties, The CHAIRMAN announced the decision of the Committee —preamble proved. The Committee then adjourned. GROUP XXVII. GREAT NORTHERN (BRANCH TO KING'S LYNN). (Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.) The Committee having dispensed with any reply on the part of the Eastern Counties Railway (Wisbeach to Spald ing), the room was cleared. 1:11 . 1 the re-admission of parties, The CHAIRMAN announced that the Committee would defer any decision upon the Bills until next week, when they should be aware of the intentions of the Admiralty. The Committee then adjourned. GROUP XXX I . sHErrzELD AND LINCOLNSHIRE JUNCTION. The Committee sat this morning at twelve; Mr. Shaw in the chair, and took the general evidence of Mr. Milnes, father of Mr. M. Milnes, the Member for Pontefract, with the testimony of several other gentlemen, in favour of the Bill. GROUP XXXIII. GREAT NORTHERN (EXTENSION TO LEEDS AND WAKEFIELD). Evidence in favour of this line w•as continued this day upon the subject of the proposed levels at the station at Leeds. In consequence of some errors in the levels of the Great Northern Railway extensions to Leeds and Wakefield, the Bill was thrown out; and the Committee at the same time strongly intimated their opinion that they would be under the necessity of throwing out all the other lines before the Committee. Mr. Sergeant WILKINs then claimed to be heard as a landowner against the opposing schemes of the North Midland Railway and the Leeds and Dewsbury Railway. The Committee stated that should any alteration take place in their opinions, after having heard the speeches of Mr. Temple, for the Leeds and Dewsbury Railway, and Mr. Baines, for the North Midland Railway, they would hear him. Mr. TLMPLE and Mr. BAINES then addressed the Com mittee on behalf of the Leeds and Dewsbury Railway, and the North Midland. The Committee then decided that they would hear Mr. Sergeant Wilkins on behalf of the Manchester and Leeds ltsilway. At the conclusion of the Learned Sergeant's address, the Committee adjourned till twelve to-morrow. GROUP XXXV. The Select Committee appointed to consider the Bills in this group re-assembled at the usual hour this morning; the .‘larquis of Granby in the chair. THE EAST LANCASHIRE (CLITHEROE EXTENSION). The whole of the day was occupied with the landholders' , pposition to this line. This Committee adjourned at four o'clocik. GROUP XXXIX. This Committee re-assembledEii&usizal hour this morn ing; Lord Charles Wellesley in the chair. YORK AND NEWCASTLE (PURCHASE or THE HARTLEPOOL DOCHS.) The Committee were occupied the whole, of the day inves tigati•,g this case. The evidence, however, was purely of a genera( character. The Committee adjourned at the usual hour. GROUP The Committee met again this morr;:ing at the usua: hour; Mr. Protheroe in the chair. WATERFORD AND LTPOLIERICIC. Tha CHAIRMAN then formally declared that the preamble of the Bill with respect to the Bansha deviation had Ibeen proved ; he intimated yesterday that the C mmittee were of this opinion, but be was not in a position t) make a formal claration of that opinion, as the Railwa y Commissioners had not then made their report with respect to the finances of the case. The report was laid before th.e Committee this afternoon, and he was therefore now enabl eel to do so.t The clauses, with some amendments, esp B2ially one which was agreed to between the parties with res ?pct to the way in which Mr. Baker's property should be tmated, were then a:;reed to. The remaining deviations sought to be made by the Bill were from Kilsheland to Lisnamuck, and f Garnavella to Town Parks, near Caher, both in the col cmy of Tipperary, which being unopposed were at once a greed to. The works on the main line, which was pus aed last session, are proceeding with great activity. Twenty-seven miles I,;:tween Limerick and Tipperary will be op a ned to the public iu the counte of a few days. The report was then agreed to, and Mr. PROTIIICROE intimated that he vrl Ic Id report the fa vourable decision of the Committee to the ouse. The Committee then broke up. GROUP XLVIII. GLASGOW, AIRDRIE, AND 7CC ONKLANDS COWLAIRS, CA.RMYLE, r7l) CENTRAL 3111.,,TCT10N BRANCHES). (Continued from our Afternoon Edition_ •of yesterday.) Hr. Worthie, carrier of Stirling, gave e v idence as to the creat amount of goods traffic from the e ast of Scotland to Wasg,ow and the west of Scotland. Mr. Archibald, a woollen manufacturer' of Scotland, de posed that the goods manufactured in the Alloa district was 7L0.090/., of which about three-fourths wei t westward. The junction would greatly benefit this traffic. Mr. Phillip, merchant of Leith, was ex: ii nined. He gave evidence to a similar effect, as it regarc's the imports of Leith, going westward. Mr. Thompson Potter, of Glasgow, gavo similar evidence a 3 to the:expected accommodation. After some similar evidence, The Committee adjourned till Monday at: - twelve o'clock. GROUP L. - -- The Committee met at twelve o'clock; r d r. Bankes in the chair. XILMAnNOCK AND AYR I )IRECT. Mr. WHATELEY, Q.C., said parties hail considered the lec.,minendation of the Chairman as to - withdrawing the Bill, and were only constrained to go on b y the heavy tolls which were exacted on minerals upon thi Troon branch of the Ayr line. If the Committee could save the public against these impositions they were prep: c red to withdraw the Bill. The CuAnnum, after consideration of se 1 - eral suggestions nude on behalf of the Kilmarnock and A) n r Direct, said the Committee must endeavour to arrange the tolls in question by clauses, and declared the preamble not p c oved. The Committee then proceeded with the auses of the GLASGOW, snavvirmocx, & A 3 LDROSSAN, which were read and agreed to. The clauses of the GLASGOW, PAISLEY, AND 3 MILLET, were read and agreed to. GLASGOW, PAISLEY, AND G 2 LEENOCZ, (AMENDMENTS AND DEVI I ►TIONS). GLASGOW, PAISLEY, AND G .3 ZEENOCZ, (BRANCH TO PORT GLAE 0 DOW;. The preambles of these Bills being unoi 3 posed, were de clared proved, an d th e c l auses were t h en rea an d agree d t o . The Committee closed their sittings. GROUP U. ili TIIE CALEDONIAN (CANOT T. BiE, Committee was occupied the wl ec le morning in arranging the clauses of this Bill ; Sir J. Y. E •uller, chairman. The Committee adjourned till Monday, tc , give the pro motzArs an opportunity of introducing a c lance, g 1 ,,, , ver (und er certain restrictions) to the ufries Cgrantinompany to work the li ne from Springfield to Carlisle . ! COMMITTEES o—n------PRIVA: • (YESTERDAY,) ,I GAS-LIGHT AND CO rii; E BILLS. c ompANy ( (SURREY). CROYDON COMMERCIAL GAS . DODIPAiCY The Committee to whom these Bills had I )een referred to day in No. 7 Committee - room; Gene' a 1 Ly gon iii 7 . p l t e chair. The Committee, after hearing evidence ii i favour of the first-mentioned Bill, declared that its pr ea mble bad been proved. They then adjourned without having "entered into the investigation of the second Bill, which wi IL, be taken at the nest meeting of the Committee. REPORTS. The reports on the following Bills were brought up:— Braintree and Halstead R a il wa y. Dublin and Drogheda Railway (Branch from Navan to Kells). Enfield and Edmonton Railway Extension. Midland Great Western Railway of Ireland (Extension from Athlone to Galway). Midland Great Western Railway of Ireland (Newcastle, Anniskinnan, and Bttltrasna Deviations). South Staffordshire Railway (Cannock, Wyrley, and Norton Branches, &e.) Staffordshire Potteries Waterworks. Westminster Improvements. The reports on the following Bills were considered and agreed to :—Dublin Consumers Gas ; Edinburgh Mar kets and Cus:orns ; Leith Harbour and Docks Dues ; Runcorn Gas. THIRD READINGS. The following Bills were read a third time and passed:— Boston, Stamford, and Birmingham Railway (Peterbo rough and Thornoy line). Chard Canal and Railway (Extension and Amalgama tion). Glasamv, Paisley, Kilmarnock, and Ayr Railway (NC). 4). IL-rue Bay and Canterbury Junction Railway. Liskeard and Caradon Railway. Southampton and Dorchester Railway (New Forest Deviation and Branches). South Wales Railway. Vale of Neath Railway. 1 1, V v B e i x rt su f t (I ns, ad n m ;l ei rt Va es oe mt l b n a c c.n : ad andllti w Weymouth ct n. ) ) d ' o d ( u (Killarney I I a a r n n d ey Railway to Bradford V:c a). o. .. ( N 7 viations). Wolverhampton Rates. DERBYSHIRE, STAFFORDSHIRE , AND WOR- CESTERSIIIRE JUNCTION RAILWAY. Mr. 11. BERKELEY moved, " That the Select Com tnitte3 on Group 26 have leave to proceed with the Der byshire, Staffordshire, and Worcestershire Junction Railway Bill on Mutday next, notwithstanding the seven clear days' nutlet-, required by Standing- Order 148, will not have expired until Thursday next." Agreed to. NORTH WALES RAILWAY. A special meeting of the proprietors of this railway took place yesterday at the offices of the company, 2, Guildhall. chambers, to take into consideration the propriety of reducing the number of directors from eleven to eight, in accordance with the provisions of the North Wales Railway Amendmvat Act passed last year. A requisition for such an object bad been presented to the directors. Mr. Shaw, of Huddersfield, took the ckair. The usual routine business having been transacted, a very irregular discussion took place as to the best method of in vesting the funds of the association, and in order to give time for the attendance of parties for the purposes of investi gation, and the meeting was adjourned to next Monday month. READING, GUILFORD, AND RE GATE RAILWAY. i A meeting of the shareholders of this railway was adv r til tised to take place yesterday, but the directors having fo d themselves in a position to transact the required burin ss without the sanction of the shareholders, no meeting tobk place. RAILWAY RETURNS. RAILWAY TAAFFIC.—The following are the Total Receipts of Rko ways for the past week—that is to say, up to the date to which V, respective returns are made, together with the receipts of the sell. week in the previous year: NAME OF RAILWAY. Week ending May 9 S 6 11 9 8 9 S 8 8 Last week. Ansiens and Boulogne . • • •• • • • • •• • • • • Arbroath and Forfar .• • •• •• •••• • • • • Chester and Birkenhead . • • • • • • • • • • • • Dublin and Drogheda.. • • • • . Dublin and Kingstown • • • • • • • • • • • • • • Dundee and Arbroath . .• • • • • • • • • • • • • Edinburgh and Glasgow . •• • • Eastern Counties and North Eastern • • East Lancashire .• .......... • • • • • • • • Eastern Union-- .• •.• • • • ..... •• • Glasgow, Kilmarnock, and Ayr • • • • • • Glasgow and Greenock • • • • • • •• • • • • • Gravesend and Rochester • • • • • • • • • • • • Great Southern and Western .. • • • • • • Great Western, &c • • • • • • •• •• Ipswich and Bury • • • • • Lancaster and Carlisle • .... • London and North Western, &c. ..... London and 81ackwa11.............. London and Brighton London and South Western. Manchester, Leeds, and Hull Assoc.. Manchester, Sheffield, and Lincolnshire Maryport and Carlisle .. Midland, Bristol, and Birmingham.. Newcastle and Carlisle Newcastle, Berwick, and North Shields North British .. • • • • • • • • • • • • • • Paris and Rouen . ••• • • • • •• • • Preston and Wyre. ...... • . • • Rouen and Havre • • • Shrewsbury and Chester • . South Eastern and Branches • • • • South Devon.. • ..... . .• Taff Vale • • • • • • .. Ulster . . Whitchaven Junction York and Newcastle . ........ •••• .• York and North Midland. -- 362 3,497 11,035 522 2,407 1,164 1,558 19,801 429 1,178 42,321 649 2,476 192 2,476 278 3,179 8,3G3 478 8,149 1,361 1,471 2,05.1 913 199 7.079 6,050 19,5G8 42,269 1,118 5,774 7,74 b 8,16'4 1,661 400 16,824 1,78; MARKET INTELLIGENCE. (From the London New Price Current of May 14.) SUGAI{.—To-day any further advance in the value of RA Sugar was arrested by the increased quantities brought I market, still all parties were desiroua to operate, and ti supply did not exceed the demand. The biddings wet spirited at the various public sales', 'West India was dispose of to a fair extent, and all kinds sustained the former worth the quantity sold was 45011thds, making the total sales fc the week 1,870 hhds and trcs—the rise during that tim has amounted to Gd to is per cwt. REFINED.—A considerable improvement has taken plac in the demand for Refined Sugar for home consumption thi week, and prices have risen is 6d to 2s per cwt, althougl the supply is good, and the refiners continuing to wort freely, with every probability that they will keep so, as price are very encouraging. All descriptions have been exten sively dealt in by the town and country trade. EAST INDIA.—This afternoon Bengal Sugar was in ex' cellent demand, and the parcels offered at public sale amounting to 6,180 bags and 145 chests, were sold, but some cases at easier rates. Manarrius.—This afternoon the quantity of Maurititi l Sugar offered at public sale was large, and amounted t 10,522 bags, still the demand was active, and the whol sold at prices, in some cases, rather under those that existe previously. FORF:IGN.—This afternoon at public sale 210 hhds Port Rico Sugar were taken in—low yellow at 45s 6d to 465, midl dling 47s to 48s, good 48s 6d. COCOA.—For Foreign prices continue high, but there art not many buyers, and 43s to 45s is the value of grey Guayat quil. British Plantation has been operated in with caution; there is a better supply. On Tuesday 214 bags of Grenada at auction were taken in at 52a for middling rather dull red, and at 51s for dull ditto, being about the previous value. The arrivals are exceeding those of the previous season. COFFEE.—This afternoon at public sale 133 bags of Plan , tation Ceylon were sold, but at barely former rates, viz—low mid colory 58s to 60s, fine fine ord 53s to 565, and damaged 503 to 56s 6d; 141 brie Mocha were taken in—good yellow long berry at 755, mid 70s, low mid mixed greenish 58s; 3 trcs Jamaica fine fine ord 58s 6d ; 422 bags of Mysore,were taken in at 30s to 35s for ord and good ord mixed. Nativ Ceylon is wanted, and good ordinary at 375. TEA. —There has been more desire evinced to operate in Congou this week, and a fair quantity of all kinds have been disposed of by private treaty ; but holders have bean free sellers upon reduced terms, and the supply is plentiful. Pouchong is little wanted, and i s o ff ere d upon rather lower terms In the low and mid sorts of Green several purchases have been made : but in some cases rather lower rates are again taken ; fine and good sorts have been sold to a fair ex tent, but at better prices. For scented Tea the market is very dull, and prices are looking down. The trade are com plaining of the low rates at which Tea is selling. SPICES.—TO-day at public sale 138 boxes of Cassia Lignea were taken in at 56a 6cl for good ordinary third pile, which is above the value. 193 bags Pimento sold at rather lower rates. Mace is less wanted, and at public sale 20 chests went 2d per lb under former rates. For Nutmegs the demand is not so good, and 67 chests 15 bags went at a fall on former rates of 2d to 3d. Of Malabar Pepper 371 bags went at 34d ;hr good heavy. 411 bags of Cloves were taken in at Bi-d to 1d for Zanzibar and Bourbon. Rica.—To-day the market was plentifully supplied with East India Rice, and there being little desire evinced to operate, a fall in the value of most sorts took place. At auction 2,538 bags of Madras were offered, but a part only found buyers at 3d to 6d decline for yellow and pinky white —the best white, however, brought full rates. SAGO.-Although there are sellers upon rather lower terms, yet the amount of business transacted has been to a small extent only by private treaty, and at auction 780 chests of small Pearl were taken in at 30s to 31s 6d for good white, and at 32s per cwt for fine. Sago Flour is wanted. Tapioca sells more freely at 3d to 4. 1 4 d. Arrowroot is yet little wanted. COCHlNEAL.—lmporters continue to be eager sellers, and submitted to further reduced rates for every kind, yet ex porters and the home trade operated with reluctance, and the quantity brought to market exceeded their wants. Prices are much lower than they were in 184 G at this time. Hors.—The market has an improving appearance for all descriptions of Hops ; in the better sorts large purchases have been made, and at rather higher rates; whilst in the lower kinds a fair business has been done, and in some cases at better prices. SPIRITS.—AII descriptions of Rum have met with increased attention, and a further improvement in the value has taken place. In all sorts of Jamaica a good business has been transacted by exporters and the home trade at prices show ing an advance on those of last Friday of 2d per gallon. The total sales amount to 500 puns. Demerara has been in ex cellent demand, and it is 2d to 3d dearer than on Friday last. Leeward Island is much wanted, but business has been much interfered with by the advanced rates insisted upon. East India has been sold to a fair extent at the advanced rates of 3s ld to 3s 2d for proof Calcutta. Brandy has been operated in with caution for all purposes, and there is a strong desire to realise, as the stock is very large. and arrivals neat at hand. Geneva is wanted for exportation, and prices are higher. Fine for home use in good demand. For British Corn Spirits the demand is very goal. Gin cannot at present be quoted higher. INDIGO.—To-day 874 chests have passed the sale. Dur ing the progress proprietors have again withdrawn 797 chests. There was decidedly more disposition on the part of buyers to come forward, and more briskness in the biddings, but although we cannot quote any improvement on ordinary and defective descriptions of Bengal. the prices of good and sound sorts were a shade higher than on the three previous days. The quantity bought in this day is 132 chests. 6,750 chests have now passed the sale, of which 2,250 chests are sold. Oils.—This afternoon, at public sale, 142 pkgs of Cocoa Nut Oil fetched 48s to 48s 9d for fine. 85 tuns Sperm in part sold at 881 to 891 158 for Colonial, and 911 for Head matter. 127 tuns of Southern sold at 26/ to 271. 103 forgood and fine, and at 241 to 251 103 for l ow an d m iddling. nett h ome - ma d e 46s 6d to 47s have been taken Russian on the supply being larg e, and the demand limited in the spot at present has not suffered a further de clinevalue, but the trade have operated with reluct ance at 47s to 47s 6d per cwtlon the spot for fine Petersburgh Yellow Candle, but lower rates are expected to prevail. for delivery in the last three naonths of the year there has been only a small amount ofbusiness done at 45s to 45s 6d per cwt. All other ki n d s of Talow are heavy of disposal. Mr. BLACKSTONE withdrew the motion of which he had given notice—" That the Committee on Group 26 b3allowcd to proceed with the North StaffonLbito Rail way (Ahecati , ..nts and Branches) Bill, and the North Western Radwa) (Birmingham and Lichfield Line) Bill, in the sbsene, of the snort from the Railway Cornmi3- sionntrs." WINDSOR RAILWAY BILL. Mr. C. RUSSELL moved, pursuant to notice, that the minutes or the proceedings of th e C omm i ttee on t h e Windsor R a ilw a y Bill, an d the London and South- Western Railway (Richmond to Staines and Windsor &c.) Bill, and the evidence taken in support of the pre amble of th , Bills, b. laid upon the table of the House. After a short discussion, Mr. STRUTT stating that he had no objection, The motion was agreed to. HIGH PRICE OF FOOD.—ONE-POUND NOTES. Mr. SPOONER presented a petition, numerously signed by landlords, merchants, manufacturers, and by a great number of the working classes of Birmingham, stating that they felt great anxiety and alarm in consequence of the high price of food, and the rapidly diminishing demand for labour; that symp toms of outrage had already appeared in con sequence, and praying that every facility might be given by the House for the introduction of food into the country ; and expressing their opinion, that if the Bank of England were allowed to issuo 1/. notes—(Laughter) —in order that the sovereigns might be set at liberty for the purpose of purchasing food, that a great step would thus be made to mitigate the evil of which they complained, as in fact food could be more easily obtained with gold than by any other means. MEDICAL REGISTRATION BILL. Mr. KENIBLE presented five petitions in favour of the Medical Registration Bill. Sir BENJAMIN HALL presented four petitions in favour of the Medical Registration Bill. Petitions in favour of this Bill were also presented by Mr. Macaulay, Captain A'Court, Sir De Lacy Evans, and Mr. Parker. TRADING IN PROSTITUTION BILL. Mr. SPOONER gave notice that, on Monday, he should move the second reading of this Bill. CONSUMPTION OF MALT. Sir J. HEATHCOTE presented a petition from the members of a temperance society, complaining of the consumption of malt in distilleries during the existing distress. NAVIGATION LAWS. Sir J. HANMER presented a petition from a number of shipowners against any alteration of these laws. COUNTY TOWNS BILL. Mr. DAVID BARCLAY presented several petitions in favour of the County Towns Bill. COURT OF SESSION. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE presented a petition from the board of sessions in Dundee complaining of the conduct of the authorities, and praying for an inquiry. HEALTH OF TOWNS BILL. An Hoer. MEMBER presented petitions from the printers and compositors of various towns in favour of the Health of Towns Bill. PARLIAMENTARY FEES. Mr. HUME, in rising to move the following resolu tions—That the: table of fees which was laid upon the table of the House upon the 6th day of May, be nom read. That the several tables of fees and resolutions relatir ' e to fees of the 22d day of F e b ruar y 1731. t h e 19th day of June 1746, the .13th day of June 1751, the 2d day of July 1801, the 4th day of April 1803, the 18th day of May 1813. the 4th day of July 1822, the 16th day of February 1829, and the 22d day of July 1830, be repealed from the time the new table of fees shall commence. That the said table be agreed to, and shall commence from the cad of the pre sent session of Parliament. That the said table of fees be made a standing order of this House— said that it would probably be in the recollection of the House that the Committee up stairs had recommended an alteration in the fees of the House. Agreeably to that report the House agreed to a resolution, by which the Speaker was requested to revise those fees, and to form them into a table which would be intelli gible to all parties, which the existing tables were not. The evidence stated that it was impossible, and the Clerk of the Heuse could not even explain why many of the fees were charged, nor was this to be wondered at, when he found that they had been instituted and agreed to by that House, in different periods, from the year 1731, The table of these fees was now in the possession of every Hon. Member, and in order that they might pre pare for the next session of Parliament, timely notice ought to be given to all parties concerned. He begged, therefore, to move that the table of fees, laid on the table of the House on the 6th of May, be then rend. The table of fees was then read and agreed to. AILWAY COMPANIES CAPITAL. Mr. HUME then moved the following resolution : "That no railway company which, by any Act or Acts of Parliament is now authorised to construct, purchase, or take on lease any line or lines of railway, shall by any future Act receive power to raise additional capital by shares, loan, or mortgage, f o r the com pl e ti on or ex tension of sue line or lines, or for the purchase or taking on lease, or amalgamation with any other railway or canal, unless a clause be introduced into such Act, pro , idiag that the company shall not raise such capital until it has realised the whole of the capital which by existing Acts it is authorised to raise, or so much thereof as is sufficient for the completion of the works, or for other objects already sanctioned by Parliament. That no rail way company shall be allowed to lease or sell any other line of railway until the whole capital shall have been subscribed, and one-half paid up." He hoped that the House would allow him to state the reasons he had for bringing on this resolution. The evils arising out of the old system were still upon the increase, and it was quite necessary that some steps should be taken to remedy them. From several of the most important companies no returns had yet been received. There were no returns from the London and North-Western, the Midland, the Manches ter and Leeds, the Manchester and Preston, and the North Wales. By the returns, as far as he could ascer tain, Parliament had within the last two years sanctioned railway Bills authorising the raising of a capital in shares of 124,586,000/. The total amount of this which had been paid up was 29,329,0001., leaving 96,262,0001. as yet unpaid. During the last two sessions the railway Bills passed also authorised the raising by loan a sum of 40,000,0001., of which 33,000,000/. had yet to be raised. Such was the vast amount of capital which the Bills of the last two sessions were empowered to raise. It was impossible to say what amount would be laid out in this year or the next, but an estimate had been made by an intelligent man, who stated that under the Acts now passed all capital sanctioned would be out by the end of 1849, or the middle of 1850, and if such were the case, there would be a large annual ex penditure—an expenditure of at least one and a quarter millions a week. What was the amount of capital likely to be called for in the present year. He found, by a Parliamentary paper of the present session, No. 168, that the amount of capital for Bills sent to their office was 82,553,0001., with a power to borrow 41.300,0001., so that the total capital alone amounted to 123,867,000/., which, added to the 1,640,0001. left from the two last sessions, would make a large sum indeed. Looking to the reckless manner in which this money was raised and spent, he did not believe that any manufacturing establishment in this country would be able to borrow money to carry on their business. A larger portion of the manufactures of England were carried on upon credit, and by this means they would be unable to get further advances. They ought to put a further check upon this expenditure, or they would endanger the whole commerce of the country, and the Exchequer itself. The Right Honourable Gentleman would find that the returns of the October and December quarters would not equal the returns of the last two quarters. He made these observations, because he thought that the Ministry, especially the present, ought not to be dependent on the Bank, or on any body of men, for the supplies they needed, but ought to obtain that which they needed from some other means.—( Great talking and confusion.) He did not like to trouble Hon Members with many figures.—( Cries of " Hear.") but it was only by figures that he could show the danger with which the country was threatened. He had shown that at the present time upwards of 164,000,000 a were already em ployed in railway., and 33,000,0001. more had been allowed at a later date, which, with the capital likely to be sanc tioned in the present session, would make the demand upon the country reach to the sum of 300,030,0001. The difficulty might not have been so great if there had not been the call of large sums to satisfy the necessity, occasioned by the famine in Ireland, which had occasioned the abstraction of upwards of 10,000,000/. Then there was the money requisite for the corn that was daily sent into the country ; and considering the un • certainty that hung over railway affairs, and which actuated the conduct of railway directors and railway companies, he did think that House had an interest in knowing the amount of their returns. . He held i n h is hand a Liverpool share from which he found that many companies had from six to nine different kinds or classes of shares. At present a railway not borrow rised to raise a capital of a million of money could d u, but money till a clear ha lf of the capita was this did not exclude them from applying for exte p nsions or new lines, and w hat he wanted was, that no company should have a new line conceded to them, or be al lowed to lease any new l ine until they had paid up the whole of their original capital. Now, by the share list he held in his hand, he found that the South-Eastern Company, b es ides their original capital, had fo ur dif ferent kinds of shares, numbered respectively, Nos. 1, 2,3, and 4, and upon which various sums had been paid. He found that the London and South-Western had eight dif ferent kinds of shares, the London and North-Western ten kinds, and the Midland Railway twelve kinds of shares. In the case of the South-Western Railway, by twenty Acts passed since the year 1836, they were empowered to raise 6,000,000/. and to borrow 2,600,0001. This sum was divided into 252,000 shares, ranging in amount from 251. to 50/., and the sum of 32/. had been paid upon 95,000 of these shares. Of the whole amount of the capital authorised to be raised 3,656,000:. remained yet unpaid, and the company now came to the House for power to raise 3,000 and wh to borrow 1,000,000/., making a total of 4,000 , 0001. not the House compel them pay up the . amount the were y already authorised to raise, instead of giving themfresh powers to ob tain new capital to the enormous amount which they now sought power to raise ? Two of these bills, amounting t o l co , were proposed to be constructed out of the surplus profits, and of the other six bills , there were eight direc tors down n the subscription contract for 186,000/. each. This was an evasion of the rules of the House, which ought not to be permitted. It was coming forward with an array of paper men, instead of bullion men.—( Hear, bear.) But this wasnot all. The deposit of ten per cent. was to be paid out of the funds of the Company. He would ask if it was possible that a greater perversion of the designs of the Legislature couli take place ? He had a report also from the Railway Commissioners concerning the Glasgow, Dumfries, Carlisle, and Paisley Com pany, and the Glasgow, P a i s l ey, K ilmarnock and AyrCom pany, the total capital o f w hi c h was to be 2,500,000 They issued 80,000 shares to make up this, in shares varying from 50/. to 101. each. This Ayrshire company had taken p owers to lease the Kilm arnoc k and kTroon line for 999 y ears . He found that th e same company had, by a recent Act, obtained p ower to amalgamate with the Glasgow, Dumfries and Carlisle Railway Company ; an __le . ! for the incorporation of which t. was with in 16 They had also agreed to amalgamation called the Glasgow anti Belfast Union. w T it h h is a A nother scheme Com pany had subscribed, it would appear, 360,0004 Yo sh en ir a e bleth Glasgow, Dumfries, and Carlisle Company to go to Parliament and press forward their Bill. This was manifestly a violation of the standing orders. The subscription contract for the Ayrshire company had been signed by ten directors and one • officer for the large sum of 2,300,0001 , though the Act 0 incorporation originally authorised them only to rai Ise 1,500,000/. The ten directors subscribed fo r 30,000'5 one up to 260,0(104 Now the Glasgow, Dum f r ies, and Caral lisle Railway Company, the other company in q uestion, wl f originally empowered to raise 1,300,000/. in 52,000 shares in 25/. each, and as yet they had only raised 5/. a share,, or 243,000/. in all. The Ayraiiire company had raised this 10". for its extension schemes 153,0001. The subseription contra ct of the Glasgox, Dumfries, and Carlisle Company had bee!' signed by eight directors and the secretary for 1,908, 0 " being 170,000/. for each director, and 186,000/. for the secres tart'. Such were the responsibilities of these tw o com p who had only in the one case raised '243,000/. and 153,074 respectively towards the large amount of e al3l for which the directors had signed.—( Hear, bear,) be Now these two Commissio n ers came f o rward with Billsto7 this House, and they proposed to raise by the six B befog the House a capit a l of 6,389.0001. These Commissioners esor before this House, and declared themselves ready and able raise this amount o f 6,398,000/., and the only guarantee aeY.. offered for thi s l arge amoun t was the subscr_pi two of the d ire . tors to the contract de e d o f th e company. Now he would !eau_ the contract deed, for he had furnished himself w ith all datel; documents. The report of the Commissioner s said tbtsst_ original capital of the Greenock Company was 1,2in22,74 and they sought to increase th a t capital by loans to , the kin instance, 3,532,000/. and in the other to 2,866,00 a, loa te a total of 6,398,000/. which was to be guars ° 44 ,,p by the subscription of the directors to the contract acs (The lion. Member then read extracts from the report e r l ;t: directors, showing that in compliance with the standing ooesneli they had, through the instrumentality of the Natinna i __. of of Scotland, paid in to the Accountant of the Corr , i _ et Chancery the ten per cent. on their capital requireclebY_rss standing orders.) That was done in order to secure th euw pang, and he stated the facts in order that the whole :I the matter might be brought out. He deeply regretted that.4ls Scotch Bank had been found to act in such a way, and el:o, s .° any chartered bank; but above all that the National Bank land should consent to place themselves in such a position• there was the company for forming aline to Bury St . Edn niss the report of which he held in his hand. That corn last session sought to ob t ain six Bills, the united capital to• raised being 2,000,0001. with power to get 70 0,0001. of fete By the Acts which they obtained in 1845 and 184 6 tnei j o i s . entitled to raise still further capital, and for this the / ode sued 16,000 shares of 251. each. On these they h a ° E n em s call of 224,0001., and the whole amount that same praise,', rs co these calls was 2041. They had issued about 22,00° s har ital which they had raised 90,0001.. and the whole of the esp so , which they had obtained was 334,000/. Now, th is ° lila came before Parliament in the present session for six for The subscription contract was signed by twelve directors.o_4 1,612,000!., and they asked for powers to raise an luldi ti d n ; capital of 2,700,0001. Did not such a state of things es_ o s require amendment? He was sorry, indeed, that honest raitiows/ companies should suffer for these acts, but his resolution °O7 effective must be general. He could increase the Inn he companies who had been guilty of these malpractices.u_ to thought he had mentioned sufficient to induce the et accede accede to his resolution. He really thought that Parlirior, ought to stop the progress of every railway sill broug t s , ar ward this session, but such a course as that might inflict. r i n ins o t tire upon many deserving companies, and be was therefloporis. prepared to propose it. He thought it necessary that several ment should interfere in some way in this subject unto '' sai s. grounds, he thought the public ought to knovv what the . is th• ings and conduct of every railway board was; he though: l2 o House ought to interfere in consequence of the pressu re , wo of the country felt from the present state of Ireland and nel ik eltl provisions in this country, and upon the ground of the t heir which manufacturers experienced in obtaining discount on Bills. He anticipated nothing but distress and confusle ° co: sit the Commissioners not i n t er f er i n g in the subject. Ile not have believed it possible for such transactions as h. e w i s h referred to to have taken place in open day He did telosished to say anythiu 1 against any individual director; claim the only to call atte n ti on t o th e w h o le system, and to ;e interference of P ar li amen t. if they allowed things to go e o o_ i ; the same way they w ou ld be alone responsible for tit s in w oo chiefs that might ensue. He did not know anY wes t .' , she effectual for checking the evil than by thc House affirtatnis, resolution he had moved. lie did not contemplate any fled sition to the resolution from any free and independent esoi.ot her. He begged, therefore, to move the resolution " read to the House. Gentletosn Mr. GREEN begged to suggest to the Hon. to the propriety of making a slight alteration in the resolaT the effect, " that in every Bill to enable, & c., a clause.r`" . be introduced," &c., so as to remove all tech nical objeetl ° Mr. HUME having assented to the suggestion, thoo gb Mr. JOHN ABEL SMITH seeonded the motion, cd: he did not quite agree with him in all the particulars to bb the Hon. Member had adverted. He thought, the House was under a great obligation to the Hon h for having called its attention to this subject, as it appear' their him that the state of the railway legislation demanhat if the most serious consideration. He was also of opinion, t . 00 s od statements which he had made were correct, reolut not go far enough ; and without intending to raise they e", h tention which haeen so lately and so justly occupying t-e s, ught of the househe meant the monetary system—be t -° ss the one could deny but the influence of railwaysini° portant wGen_ le . d in a 1 1 0 capital of the country formed a most element in its consideration. He therefore hoped —ent resolution might elicit from the House and the Goverenuia___ some opinion as to the propriety of proceeding with th way Bills, at present in progress. before Parliament. It enough for them to remember that during the last two yes,:; they had sanctioned Bills to raise a capital exceeding millions, while the Bills before the House of the present year , embraced a capital of 87 millions. Considering the present that state of the country, the vast call made for provisions, and the uncertainty of the future harvest, it behoved the House and the Government to pause ere they sanctioned any other scheme At present. He had no wish to depreciate railway enterprise, of the advantages they conferred, but he did hope something would be done with the Bills at present before Parliament. He would not be justified in saying more at present, as he did it i d order to draw forth the opinions of the House, ar t to learn what the intentions of the Government we re' .t. d ego:doe:I never he S eerw l Hha TedonnH taken . Ot Member Riere railway foreseeni steed bw t et hahroyi this s g owhs r h taaa t rs it s notowof Montrosere a tn s dh iind t g o wh o sshe;oe nir a nae t etn e ehd ne t t, odwthetwasoen closertd ey toheref ore. stable hytieeea C hras dk : whet' these Bills were before the House, and nine or ten Hon. Melt'' bers used to meet at twelve or four o'clock, and settle all tiles* important measures. As it was too late for the Hon. Memberto oppose the progress of the measures with effect now, still, es he agreed with the motion, it should have his support. 11° hoped that this motion of the Hon. Member for Metal would be followed by others of a similar character, and though this was late in the day, it would have his earnest and cordial support. Mr. HUDSON was not at all surprised that this Vs.- - had been brought before the House on the presen t occasin but he wished to say a few words on the motion which bat been submitted to the House. He was exceedingly glad "I s in all companies to which the Hon. Member had referred,tota: large amount of capital which had been entrusted to them , and the large amount of mileage for which that capitai 511 raised had not been included. He had expected that sons thing would have been brought to light concerning thehanic,hbboi: he had not said a word relative to the companies with w the outlay on railways, was connected. The Hoorn.nits motion t sought totlayst.foopr storeast Member ' s f " Hear , hear," and "No, no.") lie on that outlay.—( Cries o the formation of new lines ; ,at any to put a limitatMo had strong feelings on the subject. Mr. SMITH explained that he ha tdn he o thought that some limiting the outlay for railways, Isu_ n a word about law should be imposed for restric tin g the formation of e. railways. Mr. HUDSON—In other words, the Hon. Member w ool restrict the outlay for the promotion a new lines in order:tit: retain the monopoly which was in the possession of the co:, panies who had the old ones. If they restrained the outlay p ot railways—if the House interfered for that purpose al restrict the outlay for ironworks, for cotton factories, and other manufactories in the country, in which large number:o able-bodied labourers were employed, for in no business there a greater number of labourers deriving comfortable nag.% and in which capital was more usefully expended, than in I ', promotion of railways. The people of this country ht mined the way in which their capital should go, and he thoug that the House ought to be ver cautious of interferiels with any business on which so l arge a number of i r pourers depended. He had himself been very anxious to o bis the number of able-bodied labourerswho were occur';,. wprhinornciplhee, they y d under those with whom he had to do, and he found that thy so directors instituted over whom were not less than 50,000 people receiving the honour to preside. , P. should not employ the men in that way, and would deprsc's large class of that subsistence which th y' h d hitherto eerr . With respect to the creation of so ey a were called into man kinds of shares, " sm . o existence under various twice , t" -- circumstances, was no difficulty whatever in the sloe. accounts to which the ..- ember had referred. He • dange' would directly sa thasbtand:fpithte:: quite agreed with the t hin* of companies undertakin g t o ra i se l arge sums wit any capital paid up. It w as no t t h e fault of the system fiat various railway companies had be en p l ace d i n an unfair V s !' thls tion. He always considered it more safe for the public o f country to invest their money in railway s th an in foreign seen; cities. He thought the resolution one which required g r e b e consideration, and he did not think it would be wise for Hon. Member to press his motion. He thought that the Committees of the House were too willing to give facilities tn. companies to raise large sums of money who had themselve; no capital. It had been said that 88,000 , 0001. had been spells in the construction of railways, but the country derived a re venue from that soure of upwards of 9,000,000/.. and conferre d turera, also innumerable benefits upton the merchants, the manufae• and the cottagers. Had there been a good harvest this year there would not have been the slightest difficulty felt as to a pressure upon the money market. He thought that the House had power in their hands already to put a check to the evil complained of by the Hon. Member, by not too radii, granting powers to new companies which had no amount of capital paid up. Lord HARRY VANE said that the Hon. Member who spoke last entertained some doubts whether the resolution would accomplish the object intended. He himself concurred in those doubts, but he thought something ought to be done in the present uncertainty of railway affairs. 'The c apital pro posed to be raised by the railway companies at present fore Parliament was most enormous, and he thought it abso b lu e te l i essential that the question of capital should form a special. enr: sideration with the Select Committee, as the attention of tt: Committees sitting on groups was confined, and verviropers'Yi too, to the merits of each case referred to them. or enw s `; he leave out the Great Western Company from the scop n e s n his observations; and he considered that Parliament sb •from interfere and prevent the directors of these companies s do , signing contracts for the sole purpose of purc hasin g grea"_oo., tricts. Looking at the great difficulties of the railway. e c_...00 panies themselves, he considered that it would b e a whol' check to prevent interest being paid upon calls. t had Mr. E. ELLICE said that he was glad that t his subj r . been brought under the notice of the House , for he con itlerg; that Parliament should have interfered a long time ago', tw o had been selected to preside ever a Committee in whien companies were suing for powers to raise additional ter gh t and he reported to the House at that time, when the tte„ Hon. Baronet the Member for Tamworth was Prim ensiorder that it was requisite that some steps should be t t be to check the progress of unmatured railway schemes,. :slot was sorry te say that they did not receive any attentriooeunSs. , the late Vice-President of the Board of Trade, or e f . otos " . deed, until lately, even the present Government. H.,°_s_lboy ceeded, however, in passing a resolution requiring. n an order to Bills to be referred to the Railway Commissioners e to inquire as to their financial amounts, 'and to enabL onse tn e '' s ore report to the House. The standing orders of the a 0 ., ould pass openly evaded, and he hops.d that the House w _ or . solution that the standing order of the House, requirinso:,, tain number of shareholders to sign a contract, which sla 5 . la binding on themselves, their heirs, and executors; Idloun'e, hereafter be strictly adhered to. If this Be ho ed there would no longer be a door open for fraud. si n e fut ure that his Hon. Friend would postpone the discussion to 0 1_ the day, in order to give time for further consideration subject. the s°° ' Mr. HODGSON said that it would be better for s , Member to withdraw his resolution. It would be amo e s° , 'on that heard of injustice if at this period of the session es receive lution putting a wholesale stop to all railway come an t' the attack the sanction of the House. He denied the J ustice F . 13 was on e which had been made on the Ayrshire company, wnw.,,, o fries, of the most substantial in Scotland. The Glasfow , dertakinfifs and Carlisle Company was also a most respect e and did not deserve the aspersions east upon it. I ■ I