The Sun. — London, England, 1817-07-19 00:00:00

CATHOLIC EMANCIPATION., Tliefullotving extracts fro►l► Mr.PtTT's Speethes, delivered in, ti►e years 1790 au►l 1805, on this 'subject, afford unequivocal proof tl►at he ,was Etrori?,ly adverse to granting what is 'commonly called Catholic Emancipation ; and therefore that The PITT Cttin, assenibled the 28th of May, .to celebrate his birth-day, Acted agreeably to his . sentinlents.•on this subject , PROTESTANT ASC6ith %NC? as a toast•. the 2d of March, 170, Mr. Pox having moved for a rel►eai of th'eyest Laws, Mr. PITT used, .among others, tl►e folloWiog arguments against. that Measure. The point at iss►tr. be tween then► was; whether the [Louse should or should.uot, at once relinquish those Acts, Which bad, by the wisdom of our ancestors, served as a bulwark to the Church, the Constitution of which ♦vas so connected and interwoven with the inte rests and preservation of the State, that the former could not he endangered Without hazarding the safety of the latter i— cl He had heard with approbation the Right Hon. Gentleman's arguments against persecution, and in favour of toleration, but he was surprised at the latitude of definition to which . he seemed 4n-infect to carry toleration ; an extent of defini tion wtalt it would not bear, and which, he was cemv;(teed, had never before been given to it froth the begimaing (if the world. Toleration could by no means be considered as equality ; it differed from persecution, and it differed from establish ment. Ile Was willing to grant every protection of the laws, in support of the religion and pro perly of 19frtividslais ; but the necessity of a cer tain, iretrilaneut, and specific Church Establish , ment, rendered it essential that toleration should not go to equality, which would endanger the EstabliShment, and thence no longer be tolera tion. The ..extent of the Right Hon. Gentle noto's principles, he said, went to the admittance of every class of dissenters to a full and complete rqoaliry, and even to the admittance of those who might conscientiously think it their duty to obvert ti.e Established Church. The Right Hon Gentleman's principles went, not only to the tl m_ttance of !lONIAN .CATI-10LiCS, but Patqsts, properly so called (and he observed, there was no material distinction between them), the latter ac koowlOging the supremacy of a foreign, though no ecclesiastical prince, who, according to the Right Hon. Gentleman, with all the odious, de testable, mid dangerous principles that belonged to his•charrh7(l), Ought not to be kept out of the most important official situations, befUre the com mission of some overt•act against the Constitu tion, maailested by force of arrus, in the open field, by which the policy of prevention would be done away, ant) a dangerouS door be opened to the absolute ruin .of the Constitution. The TEST and COEPoRATION AtTs, he said, bard been wisely adapted to secure the Constitution, and had it not been for . then), the family of STUART might have been at this time in possession of the Throne, and the Right Honourable Gentleman not have had an opportunity,tb state those opi nions in the House which they had that day heard. (2) The Right lion. Gentleman, he said, was mistaken in his assertion, that no religions Test Was taken by the Members of the Legisla ttire. Every Gentleman present had taken a re ligious test; by making a solemn appeal to provi dence, when he took the oath against transubstan tiation, which was purely religious. (3) He urged the propriety and advantage of tests, and con , tended that all Governmauts adopted a test of some kind or other ; but in a country like this, where the Monarchy was limited, it is particnlarly necessary, that the executive power should be ad mitted to exercise a right of discrimination into the fitness of individuals to fill those stations, for which the executive power is responsible. As pitblic offices were created for the public at large, the idea of a right to fill them was ridiculous, un less it conic! be proved that they were made for the benefit of the holders, and not as ti trust for the Public. In our mixed Constitution, the ap pointment to offices necessarily and naturally rested with the EXectitive Power, over which the Legislature hail made a wise application of limited Monarchy, by a restriction on even the Monarch timself, in the disposal of those offices. br pri vate life it was a common policy, for no 111811 to admit another to the management of his affairs, if he did not think well of that man's principles. The same policy kept good in States ; it was therefore no usurpation in the Government, if not approving of the political principles of the Dissen ters, they excluded them from office." In the month of March, 1805, the Irish Roman Catholics presented Petitions to both Houses of Parliament, in which they prayed, that the Sta tutes now in force against them (including the Test Laws) may be repealed, in consideration of their uniformly loyal and peaceable conduct, though they had raised two Rebellions for the subversion of the Constitution, one in the year 1798, the otl►er.in the. year.lBo3. In these Peti tions they denied the existence of some of the fun damental principles of their religion, though they are contained in the general Councils of their Church, of which editions arc to be found in every public library in Europe, and though every Mem-, her of Parliament is required by ti►e Test Laws, More he takes his seat, to make a specific rerun• clarion of then.:'' Mr. PITT, .%35th his usual eloquence, resisted titeir application.— r " He disapproved of the term Euincipation, said was not in the smallest degree applicable to a repeal of the few remaining penal statutes to which the ;lowan Ca tholics were liable. He considered . the admissi;m of them,to•any pests or offices as a matter of ex pediency,•and not of rib/it ; for they were created for the benefit of the public ; . for whose advantage they were to be exercised, and not for the sake of theindividuals who were to possess them. He said that lie believed the line of argument which lie took formerly was, that if it should be thought, right to give.what the Roman Catholics required, It 'might !)e given after the tfolott ui+u iii tie safety to th empire ; and if it were thought pro per to refuse ft-, tital it might be refused, without proilocing :di`etstrnut 'consequences which might have been apprehended befOre the Union. co7te, the t 6 the present perfectly flee and uttlettered. I certainly *as of opioion, that under an United Parliament, these privileges might be granted 'niftier l'iroper guards and con ditions, so as noi tO produce any .datiger to the Established Church - , or the Protestant Con stitution.- I never thought that it Would have »ee l ) wise or prodent to hive ll*town . down, rifdeiy, and abruptly, the gucrds cmditues of the Col2Sli: , train'. I formed A determination not ,to pies, it, unless I thought it could be done with that pros pect of success, and with that general conciir fence, wMiout 11:ell it never ein be beneficial. As to the chanct.' of carrying the question, at pre sent, with general 'concurrence., or gratifying the ienlhan Catholics without offending the Protes tants, or confirming the affections of one, without raising the suspicions of the other, not only in Ireland, but in England, I confess there appea rs to be none. I lament it as much as any man can. I ask any Gentleman, whether he (ies not be lieve, looking to the opinions of the Members of the Established Church, of the nobility, of the men of propet•ty, and of the middling and re spectable classes of society, I ask him, whether he does not believe, looking at the sentiments of the mass of the Protestants of this Country and Ireland, that there is the greatest repugnance to this measure ? (4) and that even if it could now be cariied i so far from prOdUting conciliation and union, it would tend, on the Contrary, to disap point all the prospects of advantage,which, under other circumstances, would be derived front it ? I do not mean wilfully to shut my eyes to this con victiOn, that a Catholic, however honourable his intentions may be, must be anxious to advance the interests of his religion. It is in the very nature of man. He may disclaim and renounce this wish for a time, buCthere is no man acquaiot ed with the operations of the human heart, who does not know, that the (Roman) Catholics must feel that anxiety, whenever the power and the opportunity may be favourable. (5) It has been urged by some Gentlemen, that we ought to go into a Committee, to take into consideration the minor grievances under which the (Roman) Ca tholics labour ; Sir, I contend, that these points are much too unimpot taut to induce us to go into a Committee upon a petition, which embraces the whole of this important subject, and which ex cites the hopes and fears of all the subjects of the United Kingdom." MELANCTLION, (1.) It is absurd to suppose that M r . Pitt, we ll k now i ng t h e sanguinary and intolerant principles of the.ltoinish Church', could think seriously of admittin g it s rotar i es to political power. • (Q.) It is well known that Mr. Fox encouraged tilt -e lvish Papists to petition Parliament for Emancipation in the year 1803, but in the year 1801, when he and his friends came into power, he endeavoured to dissuade them from tking (3.) Every Member of Parliament, before Ist can take his seat, is required to renounce, and ctindenth upoit oath as ias pious, damnable, and heretical, the deposit , and dispensing powers long c laim e d an d exere i, e d by 'inn - I'ol'k., and, that faith is not to be kept with Heretics. (4.) In the year 1813, tight years after this question was discussed, most of the Counties and Corporations in England and.lreland petitioned against making any more, concessions to the Roman Catholics. See a list of them in the Protestant Advocate, vol. I. p. (5.) In the beginning of the year 1793, all the Penal Laws affecting the Irish Roman Catholics were repealed, and they obtained the Elective Franchise. They then declared them selves grateful and contented ; and yet in a few months after, they formed afreasonable conspiracy to separate Ireland from England, and to extirpate their Protestant fellow-subjects as Heretics. PROVINCIAL JOURNALS. A s . the Morning Chronicle day after day attempts to defend the indefensible Speech of Mr. BROUGHAM on the last day of the Parliamentary Session, we shall avail ourselves of the following brief,but pithy and pointed, remarks on that Speech taken from The Correspondent of the Isth inst. a Newspaper of Dublin, to the loyalty and good sense of which we have been often indebted. We believe that the public will consider these remarks is much more truly descriptive of the Speech' in question than'all the laboured sophistry of The Morning Chronicle " The close of the Session was made remark able by a motion of Mr. Brougham's, which swept together all the cams and common-places that have distutbed the heads of the populace for so long a time—and which drove into a corner a rabble of ragged arguments, that owed their pre tensions, not to their intrinsic value, but to their number and factious predominance. It was still more remarkable, and infinitely more interesting, for the flagellation which this Gentleman endnred from Lord Castlereagh and Mr. Canning, which transcended any instance of Parliamentary casti gation that is on record. The attempt to open, on the last day of the Session, a map of accusation,- affecting to trace out distant delinquency and re "note Malfeasance, and colouring the outlines of past events with criminal distinctions—to explain which, with common justice, or to oppose which, with the bare privilege whi6h those accused have , a right to 'claim, would .• take up the whole of the longest period for which any Constitutional Parliament was ever known 'to sit— can neither be excused by any example, orjus tified by any strokeof policy, heretofore practised by n tacticians in Parliamentary warfare. Such a speech, so crowded with criminal allegations • against the conduct of the Goveroment—so atntn dant•in enormous tonics—so oppressed with the quantity of its outrageous imputations—and made upon the last business day of a Session, never could have been designed to answer any manly, candid, or public-spirited purpose, or to, have been intended courageously for any encounter with circumstances, proofs, or arguments. It was an explosion for the very noise sake, as to its politi cal effect; and if it partook of any thing of a complexional or personal cause,. it could only be considered as a desperate issue of the very worst political bile which could be secret e d by a thitish Member of Parlfament—provoked by no circutu- Stance—stirred up by no adventitious excite- LLOYD'S, JULY 19, Extract of a Letter from the Agent to Lloyd's at Lisbon, dated 4th July. " The pleasing intelligence of Pernambuco being restored to its ancient Governor has been received here this week, The Novo Paqueteovith the Marquis of ANGBJA on board, fi urn Rio Ja neiro, arrived here on the 30th ult. and having called off Pernambuco, brings advice than a counter Revolution took place on the 20th May, in Which the Royalists were aided by the Sailors of. the blockading squadron, and that the InsUrgents were completely routed. MARTINS had fled to the interior, and some of his associates were killed." We give this as we have received it, without any further authority than appears on the face of it. Extract of a Letter from the -Igent to Lloyd's at Lisbon, dated July 4. The Kent, which arrived yesterday from Fal mouth, was chased on the coast by a three-masted schooner, which hoisted a blue English Ensign, and from her description,l imagine it is the Tuni sian Corsair that was off here a short time since." Extract of a Letter front the Agent to Lloyd's at St. Uhes, doled July 3. The• American ship Isabella, HENDERSON, arrived here on the 27th ult. from Havre ; she was boarded two nights before off the Bar of Lisbon by a schooner, supposed to be an Algerine or Tunisian. The Captain informed the master of the Isabella, H aNDERSON, that he intended to proceed to the English Channel." Extract of a Letter from the ;Igent to Lloyd's at St. (Jbes, dated June 26. " Captain ANDERSON, of the. Swedish ship Car' 1, which arriVed on the 16th inst. from Cadiz, re ports; that he was boarded between Cape St. Vincent and Espichell, by ,a schooner privateer of 18 guns and kill of men.. The Captain of the Privateer informed Captain ANDERSON that she belonged to Memos Ayres, and % /13 cruising for Spanish ships expected from South America.'' THE FUNDS. -- -Consols commenced this morn ing at 821 for the Account, and,•at 12 o'clock were at for Money without the dividend. A new Speculation has started on the Royal . Ex change, it is the transfer of the French Stocks to London. An immense quantity of business was this day done in the French Funds, and the Monied Men are of opinion they will be 10 per Cent. better within two months from the present time; they rose I per Cent. yesterday from the quantity of purchases made. The Bank Clet ks were em ployed until five o'clock yesterday in making transfers, in couseguetsce•of so much• Stock. ment—bta dischargea lo ease intolerable Clt - agrin of self-infliction, to alleviate bitter raortifica T tiori a s it it were too corrosive to be confined for A I'3tiliantentary vacation with safety, with iquidl clearheli even to the 'commonest ribserVation." TH Performed Last Night. THEAtitE IZOVAL, MAVmARKET.—A Buhl fitroke for a Hus band: Don Catsar,Mr.. Terry; Donna Olivia, Mis. Glover. After which, HOw to for Love. THEATitE ENat.tstt OPEUA-Lionhe.=- - -Tbe An- Our. After which, The Election : Mr. Baltimore, Mr. H. Johnston ; Miss Charlotte reectitanOlisi Kelly. TO Which Was added, Bachelors' Wives. NI .1 I I.S. Antitv - ED—I Lisbon, I Flanders, • C3uein's - e5- . and Jersey 2 f Waterford. Dungy4ll°iland, 1 Gottetibui•li, 1 Dub lin. PRICE 0 THIS DAY AT T F STOCKS WELVE o'CLOCK. Lank Stock, 3 per Cent. Red.,.... 8211 83 3 per Cent. Cons.... 81i 824 4 per Cents 99 4ii 5 per Cent. Navy Alia... Mil Bank L. Anti. • • 11 ; i Imperial 3 per Cent. Ann, 81 Indial - 30nti5,..;1025. 104 s. pr. Exch. Bills; lBs. 965. pr. Cups. fur August,— 82iii 83 COURSE OF EXCHANGE, FRIDAY, JULY IS. Amsterdam '37 10 B. 2 Us. Ditto, at Sight • 37 4 Aingtei dam .... 11 12 C. F. Ditto, at Sight 1 i 9 Rotterdam • • ' ' ' 11 13 2 Us. Atit‘terp Haniburgb' , ' 34 9 24 Us. Altona Paris, 3 Day's sight • ?4.40 Ditto • Boni - deans, ditto Fraiihforton the Main Madrid ' 3G Elketire Cadiz 351 Eat:tire Seville, Billioa , • - , , Gibraltar Leghorn Genoa. . 451--Venice Malta... —47l—Naples 4tg PalerinO Lisbon Oporto 571 , Rio Janeiro Dublin.... - C0rk..... 121 per Cent. .. i Agiu of the Bank on Holland.... 2 HIGH WATER AT LONDON BRIDGE 'FO-MORROW., Morning, 22 minutes after 6.1 Evening, 47 minutes after 6: THE SUN. LEI quis DICERE FA LW A 1 AUDEAT. LONDON, SATURDAY, JULY 19, 1817. re'reti. A gr`erit wits left Unfinished - , Ail d tlti day they are all fully ert►l►loy e d in taftipledting the 'remainder. The I S aiiers of li'ecinesday )ast, which - - were dile mbrning, have riot com'e to basid. Tliis morning we received 'some more New York l'apers, but iicit of A. later date than th 0..“.: received before : " S:r. STEvess(N . ..l3 7 ), .toN rnOrrtiok, about a . coiiit'ei"pa - st 'three, we had a se- ere Shock of an earthquake, its direction wa . o from, ton.E. at which tittle the earth' w as iu tricition one initilde and a hall; topS houses were thrown dot: it, odic's very 'ouch cracked, doors unlocked, chairs and tables set in motion ; and the veisers in the.th'ei• shook like leaf." We deem it necessary to state, that the article in our Paper of - yesterday, relative to Trinidad, was not written by the -Editor, but by an old Correspondent, who, upon inquiry, we understand was misinformed in many particulars, and more especially in hit allusion to several roost respect able persons in this great Cothmerciar City. Considering THE SUN as one of the Cax-iINELI Of our glorious Establishment in Church and : , State, we feel ourselves bound to be alert upoil: our Pbst, though we are much averse to - all, controversy with other Jour na l s , un l ess upon poiuti Of essential importance to the vital in tereits of the. Empire. We shall, therefore, be; constantly-upon the watch to guard those interests,_ and of course must direct our daily attention to - the Morning Chronicle. It is perfectly Indict-offs to see that Paper begin its chief domestic article this' day in the following Manner :--" The late eon; test between the British People and their Rulers,' which has terminated so unfortunately for the liberties of the Country, has been obscived . great attention and a deep feeling of interest in other countries, and particularly in Germany." It then proceeds to insert an extract from What describes as `` a respectable Journal of the North . of Germany :" so that in the opinion of the Chro•;• nicle, the sentiments of an obscure.Germatt Paper are to be considered as a general test of the' " deep interest" taker► by ether count:les in the welfare of the•. . Empire, and.. the liberties of the People. Now, for our patt, we believe that this alleged - extract from foreign Journal is an at ticle of tlonieStic manufac.i.. It'hy eke is there no name or date to this' "respectable Joni-nal of the North of Germany ? But granting tl►:it the Extract was really tailed from a Foreign Journal, what reason is theic T to believe, that jt must be so much alive to :he inte rests of the British People ?—Foreign Writers are . - hostile to our manufactdres, and we can hardly be induced to think that they are more anxious for our ficcdom. Bat who are the " British People'.• which the Chronicle states to have had " a con test with their Rulers i"—Not the wise, loya4 and intelligent mass of the People, who are' attached . to their good old Constitution, a►►d anxious - to preserve their Religion, but afevs , degenerate Englishmen who can see SEDITt(i4 and TREASON attempting to overthrow the. one; and object to the ,guards which time *Constitution has provided, and who would expo.se.the other to the circumvention of POPERY, by admitting Papists. to a full participation of Political Freer, lure. they have every degree of toleration for the exe cise of their Religious Faith. We pity such ticians, who must he hard driven indeed t hen they pretend to take the opirricins of Foreign Jour- nulists on the interests of the British People. But we turn from The Chronicle to dle l'uo-rEsTANT. ASCENDANCY, and we particularly recoil:mend to the notice of our Readers the article signed ME- LANCTHON; which fairly St au:s the sentiments Of our late Illustrious Statesman on this vital sub- ject, and conseq4ently fully justifies the con.luct Of TILE PITT CLUB: BREAD. —'lli_ price of this necessary article has, through the b;essings of Divine Provide.uce, experienced another reduction, and i s now at 15..5d. per Quattern Loaf. In some places it i ..sold for Is. 3bl. which shews that a farther tall ought to be soon expectcd. I. is not a iitoe sits gular, that v. il ic i,e r d t h i e price s sure t o of I tod is o rh esxapentte.i,enLai: when the eo ntlary, no diminution seem.; thought of until the price of Flour declines, mul which ottentitnes,does not immediately tals,e The Duke of Yoax, and a select - 09rty, di:tcd with Mr. Pe.AasE- yesterday, at his house in, Craig's-court. The Duke of GLnUCESTER lives very retireclty. at Cheltenham. His Royal Highness's priuuip4 amusement seems to he or walking, in the ri,..vn and its vicinity, ticromnawial by two or three Gentlemen. i'litca OF BULLlON.—Portugal gold in coin, a3d Foreign gold in bars, otcl'day at 4‘ &via neW tiol'ars at si.