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Entper ial iJarliamcnt. licousE or Loripa. TUESDAY, APRIL 16, The Earl of Ripon was introduced by the Earls of Morley and Cawdor, and took his oaths and his seat. Petitions praying for the abolition of negro slavery were pre sented by the Earl of Morley frnin Devenaport; by the Earl of. Albemarle, from several parishes in Suffolk; by the Earl of Eldon, from several parishes in Dorsetshire ; by Lord Suffield, from 51 different places; by the Marquis of Lansdowne, from Melksham, Chard, and some other places; by the Duke of Richmond, from the Wesleyan Methodists of - * Horsham; and by Lord Viscount Melbourne, from Stirlin . g. The Earl of Motley and the Bishop of London presented pe titions in favour of the Factories' Bill, the first from Devonport, itiffffie latter Han Well, -Middlesex. - Earl Digley and the bishop of Lichfield presented petitions against the Beer Bill; the first from Sherborue, Dorsetshire ' • the latter from different places iu Staffordshire and Warwick- 1 • Tte. Earl of Rosebery presented two petitions from Scotland, peas ing for an alteration in the system of church patronage now prevalent in that wintry. Petitions for the better observance of the. Sabbath were pre . seated bY the Earl of Resebery, from a parish in Scotland; by . the Earl of Eldon, from a parish in Doreetshire.; by the Bishop of Lic'hfie d,from Nuneaton, Burton-upon-Trent, and other '• dace's ; by the Duke of Somerset, from 'Taunton; by Lord Beiley, from the Wesleyan Methediste of Bristol; by the Bi shdp of St. Asaph, from seven parishes in Montgomeryshire; and by the Bishop of London, front St. Leonard's, Shoreditch, St. John'S, blempatead, New Ross, Bridewell Precinct, and other places. Lord MELBOURNE gave notice that he would, on Thursday .. meat, trove the third reading of the Irish Juries' Bill. COMMON LAW AMENDMENT BILL. Lord N.Yreteoao said, that in moving the second reading of the bill which he had brought into the house, he shodld not have • troubled their lordships with many observations had he not been given to understand that it was to be met with opposition. This bill was entitled a bill for diminishing :expenses, and pre venting delasss.in suits_o f common laW. Now, it this bill-were calculated to attain those objects, there could be no valid oh : jectidu 'urged against it. Both, the evils which this bill was de signed to reniedy notoriously existed. Formerly it was thought that lasi , Could not he"ton e.spensive, now a very different opinion prevailed, and - verysjostlyS kle didnot believe that a man ever existed WhO was favourable to the law's delays.. He was con ' vieleed, that if this bill Were carried into effect it would prevent • nine out of ten actions which were instituted from proceeding tet. ; els,l;, and that even in those cases where. the parties deter - mined - to . proceed, it Would diMinish their expenses at least one _half— _The great expenses of : law were occaeiotred-by- the-plead ings, the evidence,. and the proof of the. deeds. It had been his intention to have introduced into this bill clauses regulating the . pleadings; but, in consequence of a recOmmendation.of the iaxr commissioners, that difficulty had been disposed of in a bill which had already obtained the sanction of their lordships. The next cause of expense was the bringing up- of witnesses- at the ..asai4s to prove facts which-ought not to be disputed, and which would not be disputed hereafter, if his bill were made law. The first clause of his bill made it competent for either' piaintiff or . disteedant, with consent of the court, to examine each other . upon the . matters in dispute. This could be done at present it Mt expense of 12200;. but under his bill it would be done at an ezippuse comparatively trifling. By filing a bill in equity a .plaintiff could . at present compel a defendant to answer upon and the defendant, by filing a cross bill against him in re .turn, ruight,compel 44 4 .6 answer in return; but the mischief of system was, that whoever filed the bill must pay the cost of the answer. . He would give to the common. law judges all the, power of protecting witnesses thus examined, which was .now enjoyed by the jodgee in.our courts of equity. He would gi - Ve them the power of imposing any condition they might think-rightete- protect witnesses in tne -- answers thZy might give to the. interrogatories put to them. His lordsuip_ then pointed out, at some length, the advantages likely to • arise teem this change in our present legal practice. Who was it knew- all the facts of the case ? The plaintiff and the defen dant : if, therefore; theyssecre examined; all the *facts would come out, and upon them tl* court might pronounce jiidgment. Tie, appealed to the noble lords who' were conversant • with C:hancery practice, whether cases were not often tried in courts lit-equity, in which there were no witnesses but the plaintiff And the defendant ? The whole case as to the facts being thus .op,ened to both parties, there would be no occasion for tiion to .go;to,trial. at a ruinous expense to both parties. It would fre quently happen that all the facts necessary for the final judg ment would come out on the examination of the plaintiff and thedefendaut. Now he proposed, that if there were no addi feetal facts to be made out on either side, the judges shell(' he empowered after that examination to give. judgment at once. Bas e if either party should suggest that there was an adaitional isct to be established, then an issue should be sent doWn tb 'try tixat fact, and that feet alone:; and • then, when :that-fact:Wel atlffed, the court should, proceed to give its decision. Repro posed also, that if after hie examination was closed, a plaintiff otea defendant, whhhatino lust, ground of. action-or of defence, a - NO - ad - persist in maintaining the acticas from a love of litiga lioth be should be coMpellefftb give se'c'urity' thathe ,Would pay all costs which his loie of litigation occasioned to his ophenent. As under this alteration of the law the defendant wunete not:be p:v - d - tei evade judgment, he thought that it would ; be only fair te arm the court with olswer to.eXtend to hinatime finesatiefying it. There only eenittiad another nresieiep of the bill for him to "explain to their lordships ; and that - was an enactment. requir e ing the attorney for the plaintiff to, deliver to the sheriff who served the _mem._ the...part itenle ra-ofethe-- dem-aft& w-hielt was iiiiaalthe plaintiff. flaying explained the principal provi sionS of the ,bill he now begged to move the second re'ading,„ Lord LYNDHURST saist, that though he entertained the greatest respect for the knowledge and wisdom of Iris noble a.ud.leaxnest friend,: yet- he could - net persuade li nisat to give. Isis. support to the present hill. His noble and learned friend said that this bill .had received the approbation of the fifteen judges; but he could assthe his liable and learned friend that if his supposed that the opinions of the judges were fav,,nrable to this. measure, he laboured under a 'Very erroneous impress 'don. The professed object of the bill was to prevent:dOlay and to diminish expense, .yet he would undertake to say that themachinery by which it. was proposed to carry this .object intss effect,would, tend - to increase expense and augment delay a hundredfold. The noble and learned lord proposed to alley this plaintiff . to :examine the defendant, and - to give the de fenelant, a corresponding - power. By the' present practice the plaintiff possessed: this power, for he might file a bill fora. diis eovety, which Was nothing more than a series-of interregates: ries, accompanied by a Statement necessary to explain them, and to enable the defendant to give them a full' and satisfactoryanawer. These interrogatories the defendant was obliged to answer, and in his opinion it was impossible to adopt a better proceeding. The noble and learned' toed was guilty of great exaggeration when he. said that a bill for-a discovery cost i:20(). There might be some complicated 'Cases, cumin through a se ries of years, which would occasion considerabm expeuse to the parties concerned: but the noble and learned lord showed • fhat he hadnot taken proper means to inform himself of the tact when ho stated that the ordinary expense of proceeding by Lill; amounted to E.2+00. It was then proposedlo substittice, in the place of the present practice, rii , rt rda eXalliinatiOtt:c taken hafore a commissioner, in the country, and tranStnitten to the tribunal which was to decide upon the case. Thus, the advantage which was derived from the sires core ex aminations being, taken .in the presence of those. who were appointed to adjudicate upon the point in dispute would be lost, and he, would venture' to sag, that the mode of interrogatoiy proposed by the noble and learned lord would irk many cases tern. out ,to be ithracticable, and where practicab!te would be tiund infinitely interior to the course at present pursued. There were. many limitations to answers • which had :been settle&by the recisions of the most eminent judges, .throngh the course of ventoriese but:the noble and learned ford, disregarding all these circumstances, had embodied in his bill u most crude.' clause, which admitted only une .or: two broad exceptions, and left it to a judge in. chambers- to correct the injustice which must flow from an enactment of so imperfect a nature. By this bill a commissioner-was appointed, who was to travel within five miles si( the parties in the cause, and examine them. All this was done to save time and expense. After the examination was completed it must be sent up to Loudon. Then the question 'arose whether the interrogatpries had been fully answered: and tale question might be ar,euedby counsel before a judge in cham bers; and an appeal was allowed from his decision to the whole c ourt. Again, counsel might object before the commissioner to the sufficiency of an answer; and in the event of the commis sioner deciding that the answer was sufficient, an appeal might be enade to a judge in chambers, and from him to the whole court; and all: this was enacted by a bill the object of which was to save time and expense. On these grounds, he objected 'Lott" to the principle and the machineryof the bill. ifhe mode of examination at present through the meth= Of . a bill and answer s, as much more simple, cottiplete, and satisfactory, than the ni°de:proposed liy-the noble and learned lord; and the nnaelo eereebs- which the principle of the noble and lore's bill was-tole carried into operation would be found ( infinitely more -pensive than the:present :system. He slibtri thet`efOre move an amendment that the bill be read a second time that day sic months. THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD the amount of Men to be employed, which involved the general question of reduction, be would not trouble it bit, calling for a uivision upon any of those resolutions. The vote was,thet4,o.traiht agreed • The next vote. was - for 1.:2.1,77.5 to defray the salaries of offi cers and contingent expenses of the Navy Pay-office. Mr. 1-111 ME observed, that he saw from this estimate, That the assistant to the Trelptiver of the. Nays had- a- salary of l aear. He wished to kilow what was .the retiring pension . al:. lowedicalaplaiti kfuski.iton, wto.had_kiiinerly flit 6hat~tii!ees Sir J. GRAHAM could inform the hon. gentleman that Capt. .Huskis3ort.reccived,no pension whatever. linvE wished to kno‘ir why we stilt:incurred the expense ' which appeared in the present estimates to amount to £2,000, -of sending money to the ports. That was an utter waste: or - the' public money. • - 1 7- .l"%tomsoN said, that the subject to which the hon. memkr. had adverted had not eseaped the attention of the go vernment, but it was found, that the present arrangement was a much more economical one than the one proposed. The commission which it was proposed to charge upon the payments, made to the navy at the outpurts would amount to much more than the expense charged in the present estimate. Mr. llurnra wished to know how shipi were paid off on their arrival at the out-ports, whether,in gold or notes ? Mr. P. TuomsoN said, that a quantity of notes and silver was sent down for the purpose, and they were paid as conve nience served in both. The next vote was for the sum of £22,109 for defraying the salaries of officers and contingent expenses of the several scien tific departments of the navy. Mr. HUME would take that occasion to.advert to the. School of Naval Architecture. He could not help thinking that the best plan would be to form a small board of those men who had been for so many years employed practically in ship-building ; for the purpose of making observations upon the building ot, ships - . - He thought it exceedingrylllTulgiTdthat The manage r ment of the experiments and alterations in the construction of the ships of the royal navy should be committed merely to the discretion of one individual. The public ought to be made acr quainted with the principles onwhich the chaps were founded, and likewise with theTrobable benefits to be derived fronithem. Mr. HUNIE inquited - whether Captain Symonds's plans, which had been tried on theAernon, had succeeded or not. He had heard they were a complete failure. If, however, that were not the case, and the Vernon was found to. answer every requisite purpose, he should wish all the ships of the navy to be built on the same principles as those on which that vessel had been con structed. Sir J. GRAHAM replied, that as far as could be learned from the report_ traustuitted from the officers. appoinvd, to try expe. riments with the Vernon, nothin ,, could be superior to the, sail. ing of that vessel. Other vesset3 were in consequence being l is on the same principles. Captain DUNDAS confirmed the statement of the right. hon., baronet (Sir J. Graham) respecting the, success of the plans tried on the Vernon. He happened to know the. captain of that ship, and from what be. had told him, had no doubt of her superiority. The vote was then agreed to. On the question that £114,970 be voted for the. expenses of the naval eStablishinepts at home, a, long and desultory conver sation arose Kespectina the yachts which are, at present main tained. Iu answer to a question' from Mr. I/tired, • Sir. J. GRAHAM said, thatthe mtraber of yachts maintained at the Public expense used fqgmerly to be five ; they were now reduced to, four, one of which was stationed at Pembroke, ano ther at Woolwich, and the other two were kept afloat, for the, use of his Majesty. Mr. Husie said he was willing to , leave : the last. two, yachts, untouched, but why, he wished-to know, should the other two be . maintained? We — e`r trey serviceable ui case of — their services, being required ? Sir J, GRAhAM said, that ever since the time or William 111. five yachts had been maintained for the service of the riiings of England. He had already stated, that at the present moment two only were so appropriated: the other two were at the die pedal of the Admiralty, and he belieied that very slight repairs. would. render these lust fit. for active service. The crews Were, ocasionally occupied in this t ilock-yards. Mr. F. YOVIsIG. said that' lienacers.to whom the hon. mem ber for Middlesex referred, were charged with most iMportant, duties, and he thought that they ought to receive alitieral re compense for their services. At the same time he entirely con-, curred in the economical views of the hon. member for:Mid-• dlesex.—The vote ,was, then agreed to. • The sum of £23,42Twas voted for the. establishments abroad! without observation. _ _ The next vote proposed was ..E438,426 for wages of persons, employed in establishments at home. Mr. B. CARTER said that he Was instructed by his constittentsi to press upon ministers the-propriety of notearrviiig into . iffe et the-propesetl-r eduetiote of—the manlier of artillee-re employed-in Portsmouthdoek-,yard. The- consequence of sucha proceeding' would be au aggravation of the distress which already prevailed, amongst, the. labouring classes, and an augmentation of the poor-rates,: 1-lis co.ustituents,also complained of thepratt,tice el employing convicts in the deck-yards„ and' represented that if they were withdrawn there would he no. neeessity for mg ah - . of the artificers. Sir (5. STA UN TON eXprese4.l , a hope that eopv,icts, iald• no longer be al;owed to work.in the dock,yarib, Captain DuNDAS said lre believed that the distress which ex isted at.Deptford, only a fr. miles from the house, .w4i3 greate.r than that prevaiiing in. Irmand, about which they. had, heard so much.. The poor-rates at Deptford amounted, at, the present moment fo ISs: in the pound. _ Sir J. 0.4 A sahl. that .it wai.witll, the „greetest, reluctance that he and his coileageei had resolved to discharge any, artiii- , cers at present employed in the. dock-,yards.; in proof of .whic,h, he might mention that it. was , only now, after they had. been three years in. Offiee„ and had: effected every other saving% that they could consistently, with the efficiency uf, thoservice, that they, proposedj,tO. reduce the number of artificers,tetboseule which hail been fixed . bv the ministers, who prfceded them,, namely, to 6,000 men. by reduction had been, postponed until the winter .muuths'had passed,- in the hope that aid per sons (liselnaged.inight. be able to obtaiu, emplos;mcnt, : eiatring, the snail - Lief. Minty tern thought.. that When ihe were,waking this reductiou„it Wytild f be a iit occasion for renioNiug,the staler WhiCh attached to the adnimiStration of nebtieaff4i.rs,„l4, ins convicts to be employed in dock-yaras at a timewhen free, and honest men were unable. to. Koenre.work.. (11,0 try.,) The discontinuance of tl4seprectice would be not only pelirically; but pecidiarty adVantaVQl,lSy l lor at, present the , eli4rge: of send ing convicts, to....Nee•bnuth Wales wiis. unity 120. per, man, test so great was the demand for labourers there, that on their ar , rival they, could be„ immediately, assigned to, einployers.uppn terms wineh,wouldsecure the putAie a at any loss. It would,. be unwise to tranSportsuchconviets ashad . alteatly - _served a con-, sicierable, portion of the period ,for,whia they were sentenced. to he transported; but from this. time...no: fresh couviete, would been ploselLinpubli e works. 426;905 for the wages of artificers audlabourers in the.-d . ock, yards abreact Was .next agreed, to. L:423,000f0r naval stores, repairing docks, &c., was the, next. vote. Mr. Hussy said that the limited supply was the mischievous consequence of the private contract syt , tem. After a few words, was agreed' to. The next vote was that 1.:63,700 he.grantect to defray .the' charge for new works and improvements in the yardS. The vote was then agreed to, as were several other grants, after a brief discussion. On the motion tll:tt,a sum. not exceeding;B7l;f3s9l.: be granted, to his, Tliaiesty..feLthe. purpose of Uefraving:the half-pa' .offl cers of the oyal 14avy and Marines, — Mr. lit me leek occasion to, 06.g:a to the. amount of this grant, oflicers,were taken from the list and. placed. upon full pay, as Vacancies occurred in the. service, not only would the amount t,f, this grant 'be diniinished, but an easy mettiod.would be, found, of remunerating individuals why, by their Past coutlitet,hael deserved well of their country. Captain D. .I)u;se.ts expressed his. surprise at, the objection taken. to thiS vote by, the, lion, nieuiber. for kidellesex. If Ms plan wore. adopted, the navy would be oflkered by men who were alreiuly, worn out in the set sac. lie called' the attention of the.connuittee to the scanty pittance,which was now allowed half-pay to those meritorious Men, the pursers, in• the navy. Mo,, D YEx complained of the manner in which prothution was granted. in the navy, and refes red to a return recently laid upon the table of the !louse to plove: that it.had:been bestowed in fartne.greala.pruportion.upou young:men connected either. with the aristocracy, or with these. who had great Parliamentary influence. Sir J. Gaitima..challenged investigation. nto. the recent . pro-. motions in the navy, and eon tendedahat they had been bestowed, not upon young . men 'of high family and, Parliamentary influ ' ence, but upon oflicers who had earned them by meritorious. service. If the naval, force of the, country • were to be .kept up at all, • promotion could not be. laid aside, but must he herd out to officers as a stimulus for their exertions, , With respect to the. pay, of pursers, it was impossible to make alterations in one service without leading to alterations in others. The, resolution was then :i.:,•eed to. Tbefellowing votes were mull agreed to for military pensions and allowa,nees. 4.:220342 for civil pensions and allowances. • i.:200,84,.) for freigat.of ships for the transport or troops and " store!. ' £118,300. for the conveyance 4 convicts The CHAQl44srw then 9ported‘ progre tu,sit again dttliVed'hesday: Mr. It. GORDON resqutsted the hon. barn respecting the commercial relations with morrow to postpone it, as it might interfer meats now goiarg forward otOlie subject. Sid G 5 STA Ui11:615 CODSqlittittl (as i we under . Aticl.--ify ICES BILL. Ls Mr. LAMB moved the second reading o(tr' office Bill. N.,j I!r. HAwas would not object to the se bill, if the hon. gentleman would agree to a Uoificiurfe iiiiro — tEe — w - fiole police system. LA.1414 saidlut should not object to sui The bill was theu read a second time. LANCASTER ASSIZES RII" Mr. EWART moved the order of the day bate on the Lancaster Assizes Bill. The SoLicuron- .GI.:NEitAL proposed an thoFize his Majesty to remove the assizes of la4and Wales, to any place where his Maj think fit. This, he ob;ei'vecl, would render this object unnecessary„ After a deSnltCry conversation, in which WASON, Mr. EW An; the SOLICITOR-GENE participated ; Mt. Ewmcr withdrew his motion. The motion of the Sotacyroa-OswEitAL NV' • and leave was given to bring. in a bill aceo . V The other orders of the day having been adjourned at 12 o'cioek. TUESDAY. The Speaker took the Chair. at twelve. o'c, Mr. Ellice and - Mr. Stanley took the. oath.s The Llanelly Railway' and Dock Bill time. 7 1`1;e nouse was thew ocuvied, in the MC' until two o'clock,' when the. Speaker left the The house re-aspen bled at five, A message from the Lords co m m unicak. ships had agy.ecd to Sir J. Soane's DtLusemr! amendment. • Sir R. INGLIS called the attention of the. • • • his noble presented yesterday'by his noble friend, the dos, from Abraham Wilkinson and John the time for entering into recognizances in t' lebone election petition. It appeared from, petitioners that the law had been substanti , that the names of the sureties had. been regua sitting member, and that the parties attended. entering into recognizances, which, however 1 , 11 . 0 0 1 a mistake of the agent, were not entered in to ~' those circumstances, he thought the present 1'1'4.00; dulgenco of the house, and should move th 4 lt t t o/0 ing into recogniaances on the Marylebone enlarged till Monday, the 2 . 1 d inst. The - house divided Noes . . • Ayes . Majority against the motion d ,br,, • Mr. Fium, asked When the returns which b n , e . 7 back inoveil. for refative to sinecures, and so lar " of diplomatic officers, would be ready. Mr. S. limn hoped they woubd be presen t° .the 'week. ' Mr. EWARI' gave notice of his motion fo r i f 16 - bill abolishing capital punishment in eases °ler transportation and letter-stealing, for 'l•hu r t,. , . 4 ° June. - He renewed for the same day his u°'",lo - leave to bring in a bill for holding the Lu e i ..,,,:vil! adjounnnent at Liverpool and Manchester,;;;eet it last night to make way for the. Solicitorno .that bill did not confer the required renred,v, `cf felf etl lf) so strongly convine'or the justice d O' e , pool and Manchester, that he should certainlY 'own bill. ". f il JUVENILE OFFENDERS . Sir E. WiLsityr rose to noire for leave t° alter and •areend•so much of the 7th and Sth 0 4 0 , 2, .28, as:related to proceedings in- indictraeu t %Pfl - previously convicted of felony; also to alters l oe, 'of the itir and Bth of Georg,e• c. 29,. „„, v ell'", f il ings by indictment against persons, under bare!; - age charged with 'shiiplelareetiles. The hon." try 'of the early imprisonment of-mere children f°•`.o - and stated-that daring the last seven yeur b ° o Warwick 1,300 individuals had been tried Islet age of eighteeib_and of these one half•were!ei system of punishingloys who lad crone out knowing tart they were couimitting ieA t hePi 4 l ment in cummon gaols ) instead of keel - UP:4 r 0 0 3 water, for a liwited period in proper plat; es,, ° sc p, lug them iu suniniery and judicious no n pt.!' tiouaplc. By tho prescui - , mode of trial. A ll '. I pt t prineiple of , ;hante.was.tiestroYed in yett:. l ' soon converted,into haMened offenders. moving for.leive to'biaug in a hill to much of the act Of 7 and+ George IV. e.• - proceedings in. indictments ,against one. - previonsly convicted orfeleny; also to alt of the, actal,the.7tlt.ar.d Btli George IV. e proceedings by inciictinQnt against perSni Seventeen Charged with simple larceny. Mr., 1.,Am44 said that the bill which tire li l to introduce. would. be perfectly useic ss. had-nonlijectiontathe bringing iu of tha t hill relative to the ,joveniie. otlendets. It justly held a most objectionable practice4' ordinary and coriononotience.s to pub-lie - -i expesed to. all the contamination arising went, and. that matter had not now, for the der the consideration of the house, or of co l Great ohjeetions, however, hail alwaY* l) ,.` doubts had heeristaited, a& to the-practi ow ' to t be,one now,proposett for the removal.. of the principal difficulties as to the details' mtways.been. that they might afford tu (134 ',,,• offenders to ese.ape arising ; from the noting between, thf:tra and lem,,guilty be wide the only standard of punishu i eP known that; amongst the. juvenile thie ve ' up in Lomita), there, were -boys as exP e ,', practitioners in guilt;. and it would sur e " that such; hogs, who had, been actually be escape. under cover of their. age, and Ile believ,ed:that the general opinion of 1 1 ' A eb sat upon. secondary .panishments was teat b e. this particular subject would be V.V.i. O (he del not object to. the introduction O Isuch au object as it had in view could w;.grf:veu the was ready to admit that it would " 0 tit" J iting au end to• crime, at least a moug ' 4 the. community. st , s s Sir FREMANTLE said that there I betwe,en juveitile:oiclitters in Luxe o°l, tt ' in the country districts, and he thoug"' . .: c ogi.!;,•ilie,l give magistrates the power, ofelli that to boys who sliould be brought befor e sai° , ,h il t 1 : 1 0 ;was ready . to admit.,.as. he had alreoi l .,),' ; ,,..hea 4ifferent,in. towns. If it. we 'e esttorio.( lol ' to itain age should be exempt from a coot tacos the old thieves in towas would-eiop lo.r ,most.daring robiseries and.offenee'• the bal.-, Leave was then, given: to bring in that ed l‘i r t . he L t. it iiP• a to inExolsr A ex L. Rt T ia li nc, k ,pi A till 'f 6 l r l is N cin S. Bgve l t N roe ' s l_ a ' u li cm : ol : s ; : oo C oro , o l ::::: o : tic o o : t . cet, of criminal jurisprudence, the arY ll t4_l to remove all traces of that , sang . " iu the,: o f impressed on it iu those times .wh e t poUi l c A ' blood and nothing but blood, , e is ß oi i the t, if s gaited for- every, offence. lie wi s P' reiA'a i t sure toundertak.e.an entir.e revisieua k (code. It l s in cE e •m nt e . d t oßt h rt ina th ti el u e rt o s ,e u v e e i l lu. . : :: l l. l : 7 ; b e c o : i l!i:i i : whose.opiuions wore entitle .t° g„o". ht thO!' l,B, l tnoti I.o' a. different opinion, and: who. , • . ea 4 e . f i Iproveniouts in our code werwhest ► o , o o o 'o idiviamil members bringing forvvay inost , c oni Imenth as to,t.hemselves.inigh tseein, er !theileiorodeteimined laing u"‘ . ` .. , t ge. o l !house the. state of the law , iu. rega"l !which le thought.there would be li_ n % e he shit • icaight to be ehanged.- But.the cle !rather .n om hail than acad._ The law w i ` h of death on the c rimes of haus -me, • astir linorgighbi e a c d r, w a . ll but dead letters ill the st wale' been for, ma ny, years sand they could ic -ft o ti p f ' orrue r . for the (.11 'the returns, It would be seen t ever y 9l ti ;ing.during the last 7 years,. of ell ril° re • . executed, gnu a a i r t i t o totetyla s e e ebmarebdaioir:Tal y.itotof who. had. been COUViCt !car _010"1).°' ICKecuted. 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Ill '') ,,,lhe itO ere r 1) ;ate( ~,i,il II tit Lull i° i r .9:, t . t iSU% t It o ' l k Pl c it011,',, 1 0 , li k ,P4l/), :h ,c 3.1..' 10 1 i llt i.' sa d gat e' o l kk 'tiot l , + bees . th,,„: it 6 . cl),, --q, n t , h ' i s . ftlite ] itiabi r $ ~, to an gu la3.ll O bv !; "e ' of ded Pi r o Isi °l le k h ~‘,, iu t ' fit Pti fp,,7_ A!'. t h ‘ e "l r ? tptutloll.viol 1 1 r ht i•, , r I, llr 7' t wi t ,g ctr `2) 14, ho d i ' the c r i,!Aen s , "i'er 3 ' l l o eki t ' l4 al ti t !?Perl ; )11 5 uP 1,3 •'asrres r er te i i hto 110 : ,- , at b il l' !ve t 111 1;, Ir t it b 5 ,41 at! ea co?, t h ,l)ly . craol' 11 . 41 ;`,,with rr Qel) exe t ) 111 411 '" ho "by )00 P oi A n ilte sbr of P' li tY 4a' oft t l ho t 4°, 1;0 Itl'll m p e _ 4" 0t , 4 r • 410 t e , r i e n-c O ,l ; 11 ) , „,tltf l ,'tobi„ tr e 0 1; , 4 th.- tl co. u? „ la !t th ,!B st The Earl of Et DoN said, that it was impossible for him to give his assent to the noble and learned lord's plan of allowing the plaintiff and defendant to examine each other. He believed :,that nothing had been more beneficial to the suiti.p or this country than the endeavour. which had always been made to keep the administration of` justice in law and equity quite sepa rate. He should oppose the bill, because lie considered that it would increase, bpth delay and expense in legal.proceedingsi andTbecause he never wished to see the : practice of a court of equity introdneettinSo. a_court Of_ectunnon_lizt.. The LORD CHANcEtton said he agreed with his noble and learned friend who had moved the amendment, that there was a good,deal in the present bill, opt to say requiring further con sideration, but positively objectionable, both as respected the .machinery, and the length to which the principle of the hill was carried out, enablinVhe plaintiff and defendant in every suit, without exeefiflon, reciprocalryti examine each other ; Tiff Still he could ; not help thinking that. it would be advisable, especially as the bill had, on a former occasion, passed their lordships'. house, to allow it to go into a committee, and thus give the no ble and learned lord an opportunity of limiting the extent of :the measure, and of amending. _its machinery. It would then be for their lordships to consier whether - the bill could, after being amended, with, safety be adopted. Such being the 'Very general view. which he,fook. of the. present question, he would ouly. furthe.r. detain their. lordships by observing, that the au thority of the judges, generally . speaking, was very great and almost overpowering when given in favour of any proposed _amendment of_the lawi but- that. that authority, when thrown into the opposite scale,. and given against any proposed amend ment of the law, was then not of so overpowering a nature.— This arose from the very natural and excusable reluctance en tertained by those learned personages to sanctiouchanges with out mature deliberation, and from the probability that their pro fessional habits would induce them to carry thaffeeling a little too far. He was, however, not aware that any opinion had been pronounced by the judges against the present bill; all that he had understood the noble and learned lord (Lyndhurst) to say was; that the statement that they had expressed themselves in favour of the measure was incorrect. Lord WyNFonri said, that whatever faults might be found in the - machinery of the bill, lie was not to blame for them. The machinery was not his, but waS entirely . founded on the recom mendations of the common law commissioners. lie thought that he had a right to say, that some of the judges were favour. able to the measure, because the greater part of those who had joined in recommending it as law commissioners were now judges, and he was not aware that they had changed their opi •nions on this point. But he thought that no objections to the details of the bill ought to induce the house to reject the second reading. They could be altered and amended iu the committee. • The . gallery . was then cleared for a diVision, but none took place ,• and we understood that Lord Lvndhurst's amendment, that the bill be 'read a second time that day six months, was agreed to.—Adjourned to Thursday. "MUSE. OF COIYINIONS. MONDAY, APRIL 15. The Speaker tools the chair at 12 o'clock, when Mr. Alder man Thompson and Mr. Penleaze took their seats. The hotige was occupied in receiving petitions until 2•o'clock, when the Speaker left the chair. The Speaker resumed the chair at 5 o'clock. Mr. WARBURTON brought up the report of the city of Lon donderry election„ committee, which, as we upderstooa the hon. member, who spoke in an extremely low tone, stated that Sir R. A. Fergusoiii . the sitting member, was duly elected, and that the petition against his return was frivolous and vexatious. The committee - had come to the following resolution—that an extensive system of treating, accompanied by_other corrupt. practices, had been carried on previously to and during the late election, by a body calling itself the Independent Club, most of the members being electors, and nearly . one-third of the num ber publicans, and all oppoSed to the interests of the . sitting member, Who was not implicated in those, corrupt practices. It. had also resolved that the conduct of George hill, Esq„ mayor and returning officer of the. city,, was highly irregular in not verifying en oath the poll books delivered in as the original pod books - used at the election, and certifying that they con tained no alteration, erasure, or addition, in compliance with the Ist Gee.. IV, cap. 10; and, further, that the conduct of the said mayor was irregular in not certifying, according to the statute, on the back of the.retum the names of the candidates, and the number of voters as they appeared aathe Mose of tt: poll. The report was laid:on the table,.and the..rainuteS of evidence taken before the committee having .beet' brought up., by Mr..: Warburten, were ordered to be printed. Mr. O'CONNELL brought up the report of the Carrickfergus election committee, which stated that Conway Richard Dobbs, Esq. was not duly elected, that the late election for the town. of Carrickfergus:was void, and that neither the petition nor the opposition thereto was frivolous or vexatious. The- hoo..tnem her reported that the committee had cothe to a resolution that there had been most gross and scandalous bribery and treating on both sides at the late election, and aahOugh it (licit not.ap.pear that Nit. Dobbs, persontilly,.foOk a part. in corrupt practices, t his return had been procured by means of them through his friends and agehts; that. a large .proportiou, of. the.cenati tummy had been Miluenced in their votes by:bribery; that cor rupt practices had. prevailed, not only. on, the occasion of the late. election, but.at. former elections; that great expense had been occasioned by delay in the production- - of cestain,docurtients.required in the. progress of the .case. The repOrt.having beenhrought up, Mr. VeottltlELL Moved that the minutes of evidence which he laid on the table be prihted, and stated that he had been directed by the: cotkiniitice.to - move. heat the issuing of a new writ . for Carrickfergus be .suspended till that day month s they beingunaniniously of opinion that a .case had been - made:Out for altering the constittiency of the toWu, if .not fur totally disfranchising it. Writ suspended' till the 15thof •!May.: The Itlaiquess Of .:Citaasnes. presented. a, petition frons Abraham li iikinson and anoth'er individual, praying' that,the time for. entering into retaknizances on the petition:against die return of. Sir S.. Whalley for. Matylebone eularged.till the 2 - aid of April.—Laid on the table. Sir it. lac:las , , in the absence of the noble lord the member for Doractshire r postponed aim. second reading of the Factories' Regulation Bill from to-morrow to the-22w1 instant. NrTi Eitaik presented a pcititionfroearate-piyers,Of St. Giles's in-the-Fields, and St, George's, Bloomsbury, against the Bill authorizing the magistrates to pay a salary of 1:,1,'200 a year to the chairman of. the Xitld . lesex quarter sessions. Mr: INltatttay moved, in the absence of the. righChoa. meth her. for CoWntry, With consent of the parties, tispustpoue the order of the day for a ballet. on the Stufford election petition front tiainorrow till the 21st of May.—Agieed to, Mr. Coon:T . 1: gave notice, that he would to-morrow move -the. printing of the petitions of Eadiard. Newsham,. James Roth , well, and James Dunm which, he had. presented on the Ist of, April. Lord ,Atiatoita gave notice for to-morrow of a motion for leave to bring in a bill to enable persons to purchase small au ; naiities by. means of the savings-banks. On- thoorder. of the day for going into a. committee of supply. being read, • Mr. II esir. said, that having beard rumours of retirements •• and promotions oil the juoiciat bench, he wished to remind the noble loud opposite that the salaries of the judges.had been re peatedly augmented during the last 3d years, and to guard him. a.., , atinst - burdening the country needlessly by new appoitlntents 2 and to ask whether the salaries of any iudges to be appointed: had been taken into consideration by govelunient. Lord AiTtiotta observed that the hots. member must be aware that the . present Lord Chief Justice of the king?s.liench had been appointed with aaeduced salary.. He (Loin Althorp). did not know of anything particular at the present moment to justify, the qnestion put to loug h and was dot prepared to give any explicit answer. 13'Os,LFs said a few wards, which were not distinctly , heard: in the gallery. Sir • Nis W. ItioLEY said that it was necessary to. have high salaries. for the judges, in .order to secure the servicesiof• good. and able lawyers in such situations, for they could nototlierwise expect leading and distinguished practitioners at the bar to give up their professional emoluments, which, perhaps, tar ex+ ceeded the salaries attached`to suchices. COMMITTEE OF al' PPEY—NA VT ESTIMATES. The house then went into a committee of supply upon, the navy -estimates. 6ir J ADZES GRAHAM, in proposing, the .first vote, said' he felt. great pleasure in announcing, to the house that, notwithstand ing she reduction of £7OOO woich had been made under this head (the Admiralty) last year, a still further reduction of £17,000 was made in the pre,ent estimates, together with the Ellin of LZ,'OGU arising horn fees, which - had been altogether abolished; thus showing a reduction under this head during -tho last two years of not less than £4) 1 000. lie had also the plea sure to inform the house that the balance sheet...for the last. Tear was now upon the table of the house. It would show that the estimates for the last year had not been exceedect; but, on the contrary, that there was a considerable balance reulaining out of. them. 't - he ri;.4litlion. baronet concluded by, moiling that the suns of £l.o4,tiio should he grantedlor defraying the sala;•ies of officers 'and' . contingent expenses of the Admiraity , fur the veer 1,b33. - Air. lit ME said, that as the hcuse had already decided' upon •%. -% iN, •,„ t Z• ,S*4