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' PANTS. TO BE SOLI) LAY AUCTION, Or ill. Premises, By Mr. `YELLER, On MONDAY : NEXT, the 12th of May, 1806, and thc; tollf;wing )ays, HE Entire HOUSEHOLD FURNITURE, -BOOKS, LINEN, CHINA, GLASS, excellent WIN I' S', and . varions other E FEC TS, ,of the late'fOllN UTTBitSON, Esq. at Marwell-Hall ; comprising, • Haralsoint tour-post. Bedsteads, with Silk, Tabberett, printed Calico, Dimity, Moreen, and other Furnitures„prime fierls and Bedding ; in:lklahKany, a large Library Book ca)e, Wardrobes, Chests of Drawers,:Clieirs, Dining Writ-, ing, Card, and Tea Tables ; Axminster Brussels, Wilton, and. Scotch Carpets; Pier and Dressing Glasses; an excel lent Eight-day Clock ; rare and valuable long Tabte ; and: ; Desert Set of Nankeen China, tinee magnificent . Jars and two Beakers of fine old Ivan; a rich toned Grand Piano Forte, in a mahogany case, by Longinan and Broder'', ; a Suite of Drawing- room Furniture,consisting of a Cabriole Chairs,and a Sofa, covered with pea-green Silk Damask; highly polished Steel, cast Register,Buzaglio and other Stoves, with the usual kitchen, washing, and dairy :Aides ; a small but well dieter' -Library ;•a ftill-sized Billiard' Table ; about too Dozen of choice artsi highly_ flavoured Did Wines, in Madeira, Sherry, and. Port ; t Dozen of Spirits ;,_a bay blood Marc, z Colt s , an d ; Tight Waggon, Garden Engine, &c. • The E Weds, may be viewed on Saturday preceding the Sale, which will begin each day at Twelve o'C lock. , _ . Catalogues may be had at 6d. each. in due tittle, at the ad jacent Market-Towns; Chapter Coffee-house, Londm ; and of IVIr Weller, at'his General Agency. Office, Chichester. I"Nlarwell Hall is "7 mites from Winchester and Bishop's Waltham, and zfrorra White Flood, at the end of tielmour. IMPZRIAL PARLUMENT. HOUSE OF PEERS. FRIDAY, MAY 9, After their Lordships' return from Westminster- Hall, which was earlier than was expe6ted, the Re port of the ComMittee Of Privileges was laid before the House; imparting:that his Grace of Rutland was • nor intitled to the Barony. of Roos, claimed on the part of the CO,heirs Of 'Robert De Roos, and that the snici Barony' remained in abeyance between the Earl of Essex, Lady- H. Fitzgerald, and Sir H. Hunlocke. The Slave Trade Diminution Bill, on which the Lords were'summoned,Passed through a-Cotnrnittee of the whole nonse; Without amendment, was re ported, and' ordered to be 'read a third time on Tuesday next, and the Lords to be summoned on the occasion. Read the Rills ,on the Table, and adjourned till ie-marrow. • ' HOUSE OF COMMONS. ' A Message from the Lords announced their Lord ships'. intention of proceeding fAirther with the Trial of Lord - Melville 'at ten o'clock. to-morrow morning • in Westminster Hall. Sir C. Prupi; presented ;,/ Petition from the Army Accoutrement- makers oc- London, against The Bill pending in Parliament.- for the. Regulatien of the Sale of 'Hides and SkinS. Ordered to lie on the Table. Sir C. P3;.fCE. gave nOtice,•That to-morrow he wauld mpve fOr certain Papers relative to Shipping and' N.;Avigation.,, , • • HUBHOUSE brought up the Report of the V6n-imittee on the-Tortola Free Port Bill ; the fur ther consideration of which was fixed for Monday. COMMITTEE, OF SUPPLY as iron, coals, or wood. Of all these siaple rranroo-, dities he• considered iron to be the most ithporratif any:Tax on that _articlewould b injuriOnslothe ge neral interest, butthe operation of th e Tat pripo';:ed by the Noble Lord 'peculiarly so. The Noble Lord proposed tO Jay an equal duty on iton- of all qualities. Now there was a variation of at least .50 per cent. in the value of different kinds of iron, how, therefore,, could this proposition be reconciled with th e princi ples of justice ?. The uses of iron were so multipli ed, that it was probable they did not enter into the Noble Lord's contemplation. He would first con sider iron 'of the lowest quality. .:In -the article of iron rail-ways from mines,. the operation of the tax would increase : the expence of- such rail-ways 7001, a mile, an expence Which would almost amount to a prohibition of them. It had been found desirable to abolish wooden rail-ways for the ,purpose of sub stituting iron ones, an object which this tax must in a great measure defeat. Yet 'it would even then be felt _most severely in the construction of these wooden rail-ways. The ramifications of injury that the_ tax would cause were innumerable. Was the Noble Lord aware how it would Elie& the coal, trade ? On a moderate calculation it would raise the price' of coals . is. per ton. The quanity importy ed into London within the year exceeded a million of chaldrons.. Thus from this small advance 50,0001. burden would arise. The utmost at which the friends of the tax computed its annual amount was 300,0001. (The opponents 'of it thought not so much). The ad ditional charge, therefore, merely on coals brought to London, came to a sixth of the whole produce of the tax, ! Another baneful effe& of the tax would be, that by its, operation oifthe machinery of Our mane.. fa&ories, horses Would be substituted in many cases, and this at a tune when we were .paying five millions annually to the Continent for foreign grain. Was the Noble Lord aware'of the increase in the price of wood that' this tax must necessarily occasion ? At the present moment iron, was applied to pur poses for which largestitither would then be Used. Would it be wise to increase the demand for timber of this' description at a period When it was. already so 'alarmingly scarce ? With regard to iron of the higher and finer kind, .in many manutil6thires it had to pass through three or four different hands. In each of these stages an 'augmentation of price would take place.. But. this was a part of the subje& which be would leave to those who Were more conversant with it than himself. He would confine himself to the no tice of those large, works, many of whiell,.if this Bill were to pass, Would be compelled to be.closed. There was at that moment a canal censtruCtingy the trough of which was forming of iron, Was it possible -that' thiS could be carried' on tader' the oppressive effea tharthe tax must produce ? 'Amidst aIl the increases that had taken place on the varions articles of British traffic and _manufaCture, no increase littl been made on the priceOf iron. This was attributatrleto the skill and adi ; vity of our manufadurers ; but if this Bill passed, the greater part of them would be ruiued,end the business being'then monopolised by a few, the most injutious consequences rhugt ensue. He was Justified in .assert ing, that only men of very extraordinary capital, ail& who.hadthe - power of enlarging that capital at' plea sure, could then commence iron works ; for, sup posing the distance from a work to the mine to b e ' but 30 miles, an increa se o f cap i ta l . to, the amount of .21,0001. Would then become ne6essary merely for s the additional expence of the iron railway. He bad last Session opposed the tax on agricultural horses, as diredly affeding the interests t4c husbandman ; but when he compared that tax with the one in con templation,he could'not but prefer the dire& tax to one • which would operate more heavily; though in a cir cuitous manner. It was supposed, that-the proposed measure would be equivalent to a duty of I 2s. on each husbandry horsei, and when the quantity of iron used about.afarm - was considered, this was, perhaps,not ad exaggerated supposition. He would take it', how ever, at ss. a horse. The number pr husbandry horses in use was a million, and thus Would the farm ing interest incur a burden at least, and on the _most moderate calculation,' of 250,0001. There weft: 200,000 pleasure horses, the additional expence on each of which_ would be los, ma ki ng 100,0001. which, added to the other, rendered the burden thrown on the article of horses only, by the opera tion of this tax, equal - td the gross sum .which the Noble Lord had estimated that it would produce.— This appeared to him to be a conclusive, argument on the subject. It would be criminal ui the House to impose a burden so heavy, and from which such little benefit to the Country could be-derived. He knew with what reluctance some minds acknow ledged their error; but he trusted that the minds Of the Noble Lord, and of the Right Hon. Gentleman near him, were too great, to. persist in a measure the tendency of which was so higlily,injurious.' . Air. STEWART WORTLEY followed on' the same silo. The effect of the proposed tax would be materially to diminish, if not totally to destroy, our export trade in iron, from which whole towns and villages derived their subSistenCe. The Noble Lord proposed, by way of removing the pressure, and counterbalance the effect of the tax, to lay a duty.of 31. per ton on all 'foreign iron imported to this Country. This Might b© of service to the I . ot - h . -Masters, but would ruin the ManufaCturers who used this foreign iron in their articles. The etre& of the tax on Machinery and on agriculture would likewise, be severely felt. It would operate with peculiar severity on the Arable Fortner. The great and coMprehensive mind of the Right Hop. Gentleman who preceded the Noble Lord in his si tuation had perceived the injury which 'such a tax was calculated to produce, and had relinquished his 'intention of imposing it. He trusted that his exam ple would be followed iii the present instance. He concluded with opposing the Speaker's leaving the Chair, and declaring that he would take the sense 'of the House on the question. Mr.* ATORDAPT f opposed the Tax, contending that it. would be in the highest degree detrimental 'to the Country, and but little productive to the Reve nue. It would particularly ale& Birmingham, once called the toy-shop of Europe; but the trade of which had materially decreased, and could 'ill bear any additional bUrthens. The drawback upon the duty would 'be'insufficient. We ought to allow our trade in Iron to go unfettered, in. the hope' that it might expand, and prove a source of inexhaustible advantage to the Country: It was by our com merce and rnanutilaure's, that We were enabled to maintain a distinguished rank among the nations of Europe. Touch but thoSe, we should tall an easy prey to thellyacity of Oetuy. Encourage thprar, The Estimates presented yesterday by the Secre tary at War having been ordered to be referred to the Coniniittee of Supply, Ihe House resolved itself int& the saki-Committee, in which, on.the Motion of the Secretary at Wat, the Army Estimates were voted for a month, from the 24th inst. in the same pro portion as those for the last three months. The 1-loue having been resumed, the Report was ordered to be received to-morrow. ' REPEAL OF THE ADDITIONAL FORCE ACT ? Mr. HOBROUSE brought up the Report of the qounnittee on the Bill fbr Repealing the Additional Fqrce Act. , The Amendments were read . a first time. On the Motion that they be read a second Mr. TyRwHITT Jorms begged, that in voting fo r _ the Repeal of the,Additional Force Act, he might .not be considered as pledging himself to support the Bill to be substituted by the Right Hon. Secretary for the War Department, which, if it corresponded with the autline - whiCh he had sketched in the House, ,appeared to him likely to be . worse than' the present measure. • _ After a few words from Mr. ELLISON, the Amend ments:Were read a'second time, and agreed to. . On the suggestion of Mr'. BANKES, the Bill, as arntmded, was Ordered to be printed ; and, on the Motion of Mr. Secretylry , Wtt4DHAl'vl, ordered to be read a third time on Tuesday. MALTSTERS PETITIONS. a -- On the :I‘lotion ref Mr. BAKER, the various Peti tions of the Maltsters against. certain provisions of the Ael of the 43d of his present Alajesty, were or dered to be referred to a Committee. Lord TEMPLE gave n o ti ce , th at on Monday, he, would, move, that so much of the Customs Duty „Att as rc lated . to the Duty on the Importation of Thread Lace, be referred to the consideration of a Committee,. • - : ' - Sir JOHN NEWPORT obtained leave , to bring in' .a Bill to provide for , the payment of the Interest,•of the Debt of Ireland, .now payable. at the Exchequer, ', at the Bank of Ireland'. The A& of the 43d Geo. HI, relatiye to the regu lation of the Malt Duties in Ireland,, having been catered as read, Sir JOHN NAM/PORT obtained leave to brliig in a rhe - sattie. Sir JOHN NEWPORT brought up the Irish Loan Bill, and the Irish., Treasury Bills Bill; and Lord IINRY PETTY brought up the - Bill for the better regulation of the Office ,of Receiver-General of the Stamp Duties; all whiCh were read. a first .time, and ordered to be read a second time on Monday. IKON DUTY, BILL The Order of the Day having been read for the douse to resolve itself into a Committee on the iron Deity Bill, Lord HENRY PEI TY moved, that the speaker do now leave the Chair. Mr. ,CURIVE,'N rose with great reluCtanee to op pose this measute, but ,he trusted the HouSe would do him the justice to believe, no light grounds would induce him to throw any impediment in the way of Government at a moment life the present. Without entering into any details, he thougl?,t that the very first and most general view of the subjed ougliv to be sufficient to warrant hiniin calling on Mi -nisters to abandon this tax, and adopt some one less injurious to the interests of the Empire. It bad hi therto been our 'Uniform . policy to to tax articles t hat were the staple commodities of the country, such . . rreshould successfully resist every attempt that could Sir J. TPROTTE SLEY took a comprehensive be in:tiLe against us., ,He 'trusted the Noble Lord view of theSubjed, priecipaliv entbreing the argu wOeld se-consider this measure. If he aixuidoned it, i ments •of Mr. Wilberforce. The trade consisted high as his cherader stood in the Country, it would 'greatly in the ingenuity of those praising it, and become still there exalted. ' . ' . • , nothing could so effeatually put a stop to the prac . Me. H. LASCELL ES stated various objeaions to tice of this ingenUity ,as putting the manufacture the Tax, which in his opinion would be highly inju- under the Excise, . Formerly, and until within the rious to,,if not wholly destructive of the export trade. j last five or sine years, wood or charcoal was the only Mr. WILBERFORCE opposed the Bill, at very material by which it was supposed that Iron could considerable length, on the ground of theinjury that - be made ; but the ingenuity of, the manufilEturers it would cause to, manuladures and commerce : led them to find a substitute in conk. Under th e 250,000 tons of pig iron were m anu f a ct ure d i n the .gloomy influen ce o f t h e Excise there is every reason year, which gave employment to an immense number to believe that this useful discovery would.never hays of athletic men, who were ready on any emergency been made. - The moment the • Legislature put on to defend the Country. Considering these men as the Excise, they imposed a specific mode of work-- taxable commodities, and con s id er in g th a t th ey would ing, from which no appeal could be made, and which be deprived of employment bythe duties propiased, ; must at once put a stop to the ingenuity. Insuper he contended that the financesof the country would F able i :difficulties presented themselves to the execu thus sustain more injury inditealy than they would at on of the plau. laid 'down. The Manufacturers derive dire& advantage from the operation of - the were called on to give notice to the Excite Officer Tax:. The Tax would burthen the Public with the 'of 'the time at which they w ere t o proceed to work. • expence of near a million annually, no r 200,00 0 1. o f I Thi s was impossible. 'With all their:praatice and' which would ever 'find its way into the Treasury. skill in their business they could not judge within This was an abominable ' waste of the resources of four hours of the time it might be in their power the Country. He deprecated the introduction of the to open the furnace, and' proceed to cast, and 'the Excise into a branch of manufaBure to which it had Ekcise Officer must be always on the spot, or the been hitherto unknown. A great portion of his con- Manufacturer must be under innumerable penalties. stituents were looking to the issue of this discussion The door,would also be opened to, .great frauds.: with the utmost anxiety,' as it :involved their nearest This' the pei - Sons who had applied .to him on the interests. , He instanced a foreign invoice which had subject were particularly anxi ous to guard against. accidentally fallen into the hands of the British,' by- Nothing could be so unjust to the fair Marialaauter evhich it appeared that the manufacturers of Gentle- , 'aS to confer on the fraudulent the means of evading ny were ready to furnish to Portugal articles at a 'the. Duty, and ortihdersellieg the fair dealer. As to the .price far inferior . to that which British Manufaaurers rate of drawbacks, he contended that those specified could afford. The drawbacks proposed to be allow- ' by Gentlemen On the other side, as .being assented ed were insufficient: He dwelt a long titneon these to by the Manuladturers, were not made out on an and other points; and implored the Noble Lord at accurate basis. a The Manuthaurers of Sheffield and - least to wait until the iron manufaature had attained ' Birminghatn were the best qualitied to judge on this a greater degree of strength and maturity, before he subject ; and they said, that nothing, was more die- . hazarded itepoSing so Heavy a burden .on it as that -licult than to fix the d r a w b ac k , or • rather that no he proposed. • drawback could indemnify them. In such articles Sir R.-BUXTONexpressed his surprise that the as knives, spadea, &c. where part was iron and part landed interest should so readily have consented to wood, or other material, it was hardly. possible by an the:tax on husbandry horses that had been. rejected Aft of Parliament to fix the drawback which ought ,last year ; which Would certainly bear exclusively on to besallowede Taking a view of the different quan a particular class of society. He was aware of the . tities.Consumed in home and foreign conaumptiOn, pressure of the Tax under consideration, upon agri- by Governmeet, &c. the "Hon. Gentleman contend culture, but when he considered the circumstances ed that, of, the whole gross amount 0f610,0001. which ofthe Country, such a Tax, extending to the whole , it was agreed the quantity of Pig Iron manufadured of the Country,- ought to be preferred. would, at the rate 'of 40s. per ton, produce-in one - Mr. WII4dERVORCE explained. year, 112,0001. would b e ' f or G overnment,. and . Sir. IVM. YOUNG contended, that it was a p r i n - , 208,00.01. would be entitled to drawbacks. Suppose eiple of taxation to lay the tax 'on articles, that were ing that th ere were 200 furnaces, and that o n ly one most diffusive, and consequently would be most Officer were to be required for each, this would pro produative. He did not think a tax uponeluxuries duce an expence. in collection at least to the antomei or San-ants, as suggested by the Hon. Member (Mr. of 20,0001. so that there would remain of the whole WilberA,rce), would be either eligible or produdiVe. 610,0001. only 270,0001. He asked if for- this s'an ' The use of iron in agriculture had - beenenentioned, the House would wish to run the risk of annihilating but the consumption of that article' in the West so promising a branch of their nimuthaurea ?' - - 'lndies Was in a te n fold proportion increased, being M. Alder-m a n PRINS EP did not conceiv e the proposed Tax on the raw ma t er i a l as at a ll likely to there used instead of eopper in boile rs , an d other wise . in very general use. He contended that the have. the effed which some Gentlemen apprehende drawbacks were sefficient. The success of our ma- ed upon the higher wrought article. The rant was, , that upon the rate of such articles the original; TA features in -the. foreige markets would depend on would scarcely have any effect. ,This Tax, he re• their quality, .aral.not so much Oa the price; and in reset of their quality no Country could rival us. 1. Lord 4. HAMILTON f e lt great re luct ance to o marked, was opposed a lt oget h er b y t h e represented , dune of interested per sons , an d t h ere f ore were nat, ' -. 'ise any tax brought forward- by his Nobl p e. Friend. intitled to the. attention . which many Gentlemen After what had been so ably urged against the tax, seemed to attach to them. He remembered that it was unneceasary for hum to add anything to the when the Tax upon silk was raised at the rata. of arguments-that had beets used against it.' - He felt from si. to 135. a great outcry was raised among-doos himself bound, however, from a sense of his [tiny, manufeaturers, yet the fat was, that notwithstanding end a conviction that this tax would cut off: the this inerease, the silk gliumfadtory had consider a bly sources of future Revenue; to oppo s e the-progress-of advanced. the Bill. - - , ; • _ Mr. W. SMITH,' although he disapproved .ot Mr. CA LCRA FT . argued in support of the tax, the Tax, wished that the Bill should go into a Corne that the manufeetdre was ripe enough 'to be made' the mince,' in order to see whether i( could be se mei-- objeat of taxation ; that . the duty would not inter- dified as to be accommodated to the feelings of tht, fere with the foreigrrtenufedurers. If this modificatio n were f outat n trade ; thus the -progress . of th e ' manufacture would not be interrupted by its being predicable. 'he 'would be ready to.grant that supporz, excised ; and that the tax wo u ld pr o d uc e t o t h e Re- which he would be happy on a ll occas i ons to af .. four hundred thousan venue a sum to the .d poUnds. amount. of between three and ford his Honourable Friends on th e Treasury Ben c h, : Lord HENRY PETTY ably answered the sevee , Mr, FA/11MS felt much reluEtance to object to had rat ohjeaions which been offered to the T a y any measure originating with the Right Ho n . G ent l e - under discussion. To the proposition for substt. matr, to whom partiality and-habit attached-hime He luting a Tax an Horses employed . in agriculture, he rose merely to ask a question,. the answer to which thought it unnecessary to make any other reply than that which had be en a l rea d y h ear d i n t h e course of would remove the. difficulty he felt on the pr esent subject. He wished to be inform e d, to ;what ex 7 the debate. A T ax u pon t h e L an d e d Interest be.. tent the tax would operate on consumption of hem yond their fair proportion,' would not, he was sere, in the public service. , - 'be listened to by the House—particularly, because Mr. VANSITTART took a view -of all the ob- . that part of the Community never 'manifested any that had been made to the ' tax, and coin- disinclination to bear an equal burthen with others. . mented with much ingenuity upon them. He main- To assert that the Tax betbre the House pressed op. tained that the tax could not interfere with the pressively . upon. this class, he thought a position foreign trade. Iron had been but 101. per ton in that could not for a - moment. be sustained : for he 1799; ,in 1801, it was 191. per ton, and shortly after had the satisfaation - of stating,' that, independentlyt it fell to eel. and yet this flualuationhad no effeat on .f of the :other circumstances already mentioned, the the trade. The statements- that had been' referred to . f farmers had, in the value of old iron, a deduction of were much eXaggerated,, and the- drawbacks in the little less than half the original price. But t o j u d ge Pell were sufficient to cover the trade from th e etli s a ' o f the falladousness of ile statements circulated' of the tax. In some instances the drawback proposed upo.l this subject, it was only necessary to mention; to beallo-i.ved exceeded that demanded by the manufitc- ac aerding to one which had no doubt been put into tureens; in others they were lesii t but every liberality the hands of most ,Members of the House, it wag . would 'be extended to the wishes of Gentlemen on'the j seriously asserted, that the proposed Tax, whieh subject, and the drawbacks might be modified or ex... was only 4Us. per ton, would, as tohorses employed tended so as to besatisfeatory t o th ese concerned -,--. in agricultere, produce an increase of nine pounds, As to the Excise, he appealed to liisLearned lfriend, six shilling' and eightpence per ton. The Noble. (Mr. Percival) 'whether any harsh prof isiuns on that i Lord wept on to shew, that when Taxes became head existed in the Bill. Indeed, such provisions . necessary, the attention of Ministers was naturally Were unnecessary, 'because, a bate of pig iron was - i directed to those persons, who were able to bear- • an article that could not easily be smuggled.—The them. Finding then the Iron Manufactory to be a tax would bear so small 'a proportion to the itti- flourishing trade, they very naturally thought proper' tense capital employed in such concerns, that they to select it. 1 That this trade was, many years since, t could not bematerially affeeted thereby. He could I in the year 170, pointed out to hi s p re d ecessor i n, see nothing in the state of the countries on the Con- i office as a fit subjea of taxation must be known tie tirient to give rise to the apprehensions entertained the Gentlem en on t he ot h er s id e ; and, although with respect to the forei g n t ra d e . A s to America, the proposition wa s n o t th en acted upon, he under e iit was a country in the id - fancy of its population,'' stood that it was not by any means given up, but . . and no wise Government would encourage-in such a intended to be brought forward again by the:Right Country the employment of its Subjects in - menu- , Hon. Gentleman alluded to. In order to shew thqe factures' to any extent that wistuld enable them to flourishing state of the Iron Manufacture, the Noble rival this Country. Th e p o p u l ation o f t h at Country '.Lord stated, that the quantity of that article mauu-' would be wisely direated.ao the more productive em- . featured in 1797 was but 130,000 tons, and that Ployment of cultivating their Country. The (plan- the quantity in the last year amounted to 250,000. ~ tity of Iron consumed on account of Government FrOm this improvement he inferred the super= ca- was,, on an average of some,years, only 15,060 tons; i pacity of the manufadurers at present to pay the 'and last year amounted, including the estimates for duty which his predecessor declined to pass in 1797. the manufaCture of arms,,tO no more than 28,000 tons, ; As to the-operation of this Tax. upon the machinery which was nearly double the , average consumption.. employed 'in ditfererent manufaatories, it did not As to the payment of the Duty, time would be al- . appear to him that a n y o bj e cti on oug h t " to b e inade lowed for' it, or proper security, and a still farther , on that 'ground, when it was considered that from extension for the stock on hand. ' the proceedings of , a certain Committee (the Sir R. MILBANK., feeling as he did 'for ,the 'Woollen Manufh6ture), it was in contemplation persons 'who complained of the projected Tax, had : to 'release this machinery from many embarrass ;:till such confidence in the present -Ministers, that , ments to which it had been heretofore liable : — he could not otiet. toe the Speaker's .leaviN the ' It was not too much, therefore, on the part of the .. . ch# . ir, -- ' I State, to Scek, some return from . the Proprietors 'o: