The Sun. — London, England, 1817-05-15 00:00:00

ti 1) , (1 arty coirplithit mulce ?--41 slot, there was i 0 [him - L.. the 11011,e• rOVLTERERS. Sir - . ANttirtt. ilotaiLLY presented ft petition front. the ltoultrier. of London, coniplaitting. of nume rous ( post cut ious they had been siihjec_reti to by ieasim ofthe Act now pending to antlioriie the Suit. t)t gotne. It the law prohibited the bale of game, it N‘ 41•4 1110 V that the i enalty should not tall on the !toyer its the setter. ti tion tt" , teti4 l ,l 'and ord(re(l to lie on !rt.! II rivolda end Netvlottlititaisti ti - m 11111 s Were reel a Hirt! citnc: AITOTN'I Or SHERIFFS IN IIII;LAINT): NI:. ittier deraillio: rite disolders that cs.istcd presentments, 4!)- lifontnt of Stiriiih in itctolint of the 'rums of Ole ti K iii of money in cities and comities ot Ireland who were defaulters in the collection fit rates ; and sundry pflicrs. After a tew wottli from Mr. D. Brown, . tion Tit It*Villg itilvi,vti the wit lith'ttlettlg (tt 11-e I , Cirand Jury I),e...cot:news Hill, ai by allou illg so titeHstire It) proceed to a Committee, oppor tunity might be lost tor the present Se•slou nt hiinging ill a 131:I ihat was llkely in giv t getteral satisfaction, and to pass through that 'louse. lie had now to state, with peculiar ph:asore, that a „ nigh; Friend near him (\lr. V Fitzgerald, hotieve), a ell epialitied for such a th;il( t in tended to .prepa,e et mea s ure respecting Gratill.lnry PreivittinentS ; and he had every reason to lath w\ t that the Bill woad give general satisfaction. General NlATnew heard the information with pleasure that some 'Alteration was about to lie made in the law on this suhjcet feared it t would be vain to fleennplisil any gooiftill Sheriff, were appointed in Ireland as thiy Were in Eng joid, Th e Grand. J were appOinied by duke.; tine means, and an end ought to be poi to the . initptitous tax which they too often imposed.. The Stier ought not to be appointed by the Govern.' mew nr waS the case lintr. F, Ftonri denied that the Shelia', were ap politted by 'he Government ; tiny were nominst • . esi by the Chancellor and the Jiolge , ;. Persons were piwoposed to those high Officers lib fit for S;,et ills , they " chatted " over the business, and this were the appoilitmentr !rade. Mr. PONSiONT3Y Was L',l 4tl that a lUght Hon. Member onno.ite was about In 1(1111 his titleritiOrt ,to these Sisbicvs, with the view of pit pAi is g a ; but he saw no reason tur withdrawing the Grand Jitry Presentment Bill, previously to i;, Foiug into a Committee; wit it Ii was tile pr. - 1)1'r poeee for exemilliog the detAils. As to the 9 poiatment of Sheriff., he feared little good tv unlit be effected so long ait the Judq,es took the rerom - mendations for tutu re Sheiitis.froin more already . the office, . • , • Air. Pm, vindicated the present mode of up. pointing Sheriffs 34 tar ti Gore; pm( tit wal von . ctrne‘C The appointment was tirade a ithotit any reeri.nee whatever to priate influence ; the first name nu the list stilt to GOVerninern n',ls generally ;elected. As to the mode of prelim lug :hose lilts, he had sug,4ested to the Lord Chancellor the pro priety tit nea) receiving them from the existing Sheriff's, btit'Ot tesotting to more unquestionable authorities. Mr. PoNienille CM,a r,3r: iitivetan,t sugges:- !lon cooltl cot hare been math ; it was the first m • step to the remedying many o f toose evils now tons pained of. Mr. M. FITZGEItALD observed, that_ the re ' formation of the laws on these t , ttimieets wool.) be effecting a great advantage for Irelami but unless the cooperation of persons in this part of the country could be obtained, those who brought in owoold'find themselves thwarted, as he wits sonveyears ago'im this subject. Mr. L. Post is observed, that the MI which bad' been withat•awn 'was very defective, many • portions of it being impracticable. fled the Bill passed, it woilld have - been productive of much ruiseh;ef. . Sir Jonte NeWeowr wished ti< general valuation of lands to be propemsed. The tax on occupying • tenants was, in fact, a tax on the whole country. Ile %vas astonished to hear it said that there were no defaulters. Since the discussions of the last year no less than three County Treasure's had Nam. WI never took . up the subject would con • fer a great obligation on the country. The a e(11. Titles for Grand Jury money, and all other public monies, were in the same state now as when the l a st diseuss 7 no took place. Arrears were still due to the piddie, though men ot first rate peopeety were security for the defaulters, Ilealloded to the cuts)' of Mr. 'Lycitt,•and contewled that if the Of ficers of the Crown had done their duty, the debts womthl hare been iecovered. Lorti besaas, defedoted tide Gentleman who 114 d i n t ro d u ced the foimer =stole. They had dobe a great service to their country by bringing it • for Ward. The money was drtvvit front the great l a ndholders, and distrtbnted in the employment of • the Poor, Mr. V. FITZORLIAIM explained the nature of the measure he meant to bring before the flonse. tie was one of those who had persuaded! the lion ! . tientletnan (.\lr. Cooper) to Amodio') the proceed! , lug bat he dirt not ,think himself exonerated (r ow bringing forwamil a similar measure, as it was o.me o f the .ottuost importance. lie should very • soon bring forward the measure, in p er h a p s ' a b out a wee k from this tintt, in order that it titight have the benefit of diieussion betore the Session was too tar advanced. la this he should endeavour to adopt most ,of the suggestions which his flOn. F r i el o had thrown oat. Ile would say that there would be no objection to furnish every doeunteet relative to the pro , ,!esses for reeorering front the. securities of the defaulters. • lie eoul f i opinion an instance where a debt which bad hailed ,all et tempts to recover it ;for more than twenty years bad lately been recovered . by the perseyerance of the proper aut horities, whose laxity the . Right '11 7 0n.• Baronet censured, lie concluded %visit statiug, that he should probably propose time lie littd in contemplation on Friday night. ▪ 141 r. COAPER said le* words -in teply. He thougtit it would hayelseett singularly etdvanta-: geuus if the BM heti' been coati-441(th' cussed ; lint he Was still of opinietn that it ntight too to have been passed' the. Sctisimt. The 'motion %vas then you, mud carried. Mr. NrwM,itip.,slponed l,fs Miaitin 011 the Tii , T.,tinsing It n till Wediiesdiq nett. • • Sir.T. Act.AiM presented a Petition frithn a part Of Devonshire, in favour of Sa,vitig Bulks hill 1). GiLneer obtaintll leave ter bring in a Bill to exempt waekons IHIII with:at:mitre and other articles, from the payment cif 001. Mr, ilucwr oblaitied leave to bring Pill to enlar 2 e the 'tlifferent Acts of Parliament for ap pointing Clergymen to officiate in lads and Houses , of Correction in England and Walcs. poon EMPLOY Dux. Th e cu AN em.,,,on.4 the FACllCertall, in ram.. iii that the House should re•oli'e itself into Committee ; tools the opportunity of stating, that teener the last discussion tiro (Ire subject, been rnablefl to provide many amendment') to the ; hut it woicel spare iltc tithe of the flousc,., and promote the general conYenienee of Mem bers, if they allowed the Bill to be committed pro forma, to have blanks tilled up, and, together with the amendments, to be printed. It could then be taken into consideration on a Watt! day BanuGium said, he wished to-slate very shortly what be considered to be the difficulties in the princiPle of the measure, and which he feared conlirnot he overcothe by any. of its details. In ti c drat place, he tclt a very strong constitutional otijection to the hive Sting Pertain individuals with tke disposal of a suit', amounting, to one million and time quartets, upon the eve of art event, hich they all knew woold shortly take place, namely, a tirssidution of Parliament. lothe next place, the osier to advance particular luans..to dividuals, upon such security as GOVcrinaent in tended to require, would, lie apprehended', defeat the whole measure. Not that ate thought it cal culated to produce those benefits 'which were an ticipated, even if it could be brought illto (tall operatic.). The evils which were now felt., arose, lint from the want of money, but from the want of as demand for labour. There was no deficiency of e c ipial in the country } but there •Was:a gene ral Stagnation Of every thing which could employ capital. Ile , ides, if there were really a deficiency ot . crpital, he did not see how the present plan was likely to ivniedy it. No additional capital would, in point of tact, be thrown into the money market by the issue ot those I . .xchequer Bills.— It was only an interpositiim of the credit of Go. vernment, to enable individuals to borrow from those who were inclined to lend upon that credit. He was quite perbn4 led, however, that tt Go vernment intended to ev,tet the sort of security as hich it was untierstoo,i they .would exact, no person would resent to them for loans. lf, on the Contrary, they meant'tO 11(1160: only the common peisonal, or t e al security, which a piivate lender would demand, utter he admitted a very strong OhjectiOn waned be reMoved. Mr, ‘VESTE:ItbI said, he was not in the House when the Right Hon. Gentleman opened his ; Ina from the fullest considerations which he hid been enabled to give the subject, be could out discern any advantages likely to accrue from it. On the contrary, lie saw many objections to the measure, which he thought was likely to be productive of consiarable miseliicf., It would place the opulent in a painfel situation with re• spect to the poor,. who wooed be le:I to suppose that relief was attainable, and was withheld only becanke their rich neighbours would not come forward with securities, Bat suppose the neees.; sary,,svanajties were given? Then the poorprates must be mortgaged, a system 'of procedure from which he antieipatcd the most nikehievons con sequences. The occupiers of land would lie (long,. -ing and mortgaging property which was not their own, With - respect to' that part of the money which was to be applied to the promotion of pub lic-vvoiks, he thought the arguments ot his Hoot tunable and Learned Friend unanswerable. 'lt awes hot a want of capital that they had to com plain of, but a OVCIeRSjIM iii our commerce, tnanti factures, and agriculture, - which lendered that Ca pital useless. The Cit:titiontott of the ExCnto.ottrt confessed that some of the objections of the llonourAle and Learned CrentletnAn were of a :nature ttor likely to be rt moved by any details in the progress of the measure. As to the constitutional fears which he had expressel, he did not tlikk they. were of a very serious nature. They might cer 7 tainly be removed by the, [louse paying a proper attention to !lie nomination of inditiduals w 4 ho were to have the management of the funds. With respect to the question of personal wittily, he could state that an alteration had betn ina•ie the 13111 so as to dispense with that security which was at first .conteinplated, ander certain i ciretitil 7 atancev, and to Stibstitute special seeuritiesof va rious kinds. In regard to parishes, so: !bitch would dapend upon the delaili tti 6 the tuense , when it came fully under the consideratirm.iit - the Ilnuse, that he wished to defer all di , mission upon it at present. He would mention, however, that such checks and precautions were adopted is would prevent general and indiscriminate applications front parishes. It would only be in cases of - great a nd urgent difficulty that any relief would be ex tended them under the operation of the 13111. Mr. J. P. GRANT said, 'if he understood the Right Hotionrahle Gentleman, he hail consider. a bly ,narrowe l l the measure compared to its origi. nnl inteation,.atid that the henetiis expected. from it,.,W;imid be circuttiscribed in proptirtion. He was one of those, bon ever, who always thought that the proposed plan little likely to be productive of the . advantages that were ittieipated. Th e ev il that was felt, Originated neither iu want of capi. tal, 'nor in *want of credit. There was c ap i ta l enopgh in the country, and they Who had s u ffi c i ent credit to entitle themselves to to Nan trout Govern. m ew, %% 1 ' 01 44 feud wa diffienity, with the sam e credit, in going into the money market and u h., Mining 'what they wanted. In no way, that he saw, timid the plan be produttive of relief, ekea4 4 , indeed, the Right Honourable Uentiethan Uleant to introduce his Exchequer Bills_ into thecuirency of the country. Then sooty effect tvtiolil he. ac. coniplislied, butt whether a beneficial oue or stot, he did not intend to argue at that moinent. Al the same time, be was perfectly ready to give the Right Liotr. ticutlematt cted4 tor the i)eitevoleut ;of ent ions with n bleb be I toad propotted the ineasoire. , Mr. lin3rt titnied that there ivois any constitn fionid daaogi'r to be apprelieuded boon the mea sure. it tit as not likely that the .Coittinisioners, in making advances of onion-y, would he influenced by political n o olii es. Monty. be knew, might he easily obt.ioed upon short credit, for two or three months; but it was inot to be had where its w re turnn.itif be ttc:aVed ravai'ree "t f‘'"r YC37 s. hence the utility of his Wight lion. Friend's plan. :H itch who' triio.l rtAtilt froga it, and he was store it econldhe Iwoductive . of no et it. Mr. littovort.tm, it, cxpinnotioli, disclaimed any intention of suppo,ing that the Conimissioners would `Je actuated by sinister motives. What be had beard of the 'Gentlemen who wire 11 "Iy t" be •ttPP•'ilti , d. he shOuld ,expeet just the cOntl:ify: But it was au awkward thing, iiu a consti:iitiottat point of view, that doting a geitC ral election Commissioners of the Government should be sittiug with the patronage of distribut ing One million and tin co. quarters of the public 'stoney. Mr. Locl DART said, he thought the 1111 would totally fail as to all beneficial purpoites. Mr. spoke in favour of the measure. The CumsrceLt.ott of the ExcnEottoEtt wished to explain a point which seemed to be misunder stood. The principle of personal security was not to be abandoned. It was only 'to be modified, so as to ,enable the Commissioners in ccrtaiu cases to accept other securities. • Tire House then resolved itself into a Commit 7 tee pro forma, and the Chancellor of the Exche quer moved his several amendments. lie also read the following list of the namos. of Gentlemen Whoth it was intended to appoint as Commission ers muter die Act : Lord R. Seymour, the lionournhle Llm1). land, Sir C. Edmonstone, Sir .1, Shaw. Sir J. Purina, Mr. tioucli, Mr. E.J. Littleton, Mr. Luttrell, Mr. C. Crant, sen• Mr. Cnrwen, EstrOurt, 'Mr. J. Smith, Mr. Swann, Mr. Ciaheri, Mr. Reid (Choirman of the Eact lodiA Company), Mr, ii. Harrison (Deputy Governor of ,t he SUM!, Sea Cultt pally), Mr. S. Thornton, Mt. Philp, Mr. J. J. Angertrin, Mr. C. Burin',.:, tend Mr. 13Q,l7iuoet: " The House having resulted, the RlThrt w t 3 re ceived, and orderett to be taltett into 'outlier con sideration on Friday week. Sir W. Butt RoWS moved for is return of the Voionteer and Yeomanry Forces serving' iu ire. hoof, with the nßothet of utSceN and of NIA and tile in the said corps. Lord Pp.t.mEtisTon snid, there could be no ob 3ecijon to to v ‘olothol, hoe he could state, that the Yeomury anti Volunteers of lielaud received neither pay nor allowances. Sir W. ituattows replied, that when he 31W $1 SUM of 31,0001. voted sot the snggestion of the Noble Lord, to defray the exile: ces of that d k ... scription of force, he thought is a matter desi:rv ing the consi:leratiori of that 110u,e.---Orilereti. • The other Oilers of the Day %vete the') dis posed of, and the Uetsle adjourned. TILE PITT CIVB. tircittrAntrs of THE PITT CLuzi s throughout the Count r 7 are requested to transmit ;to Joitx Lon,,, at this °lee, on or beture the 20th Instant, the l'atticiikirs of the . ensuing Meetings of their en the 9.hth Sun -Oilier, 11. t. Strand. NEXT TITSDAV, LAST DM" Or DRAWING-TWO TWENTY THOUSAND POUND TWEN. TV-TWO o•rinit CAPI L'Ali -ALL MUST BE DRAWN ON TIIAT DAY. • • T T ft; L It t; IVIE R. Performed Last Night. Dituv.Y-I.ANr..-411e Surrender of Calais Enstaelle de St. Pierrei Mr. Rea: ; J lia , 111rs.Mirth.).. Aftcr which, The Panne!. CovENi-GArrirEN.—Tlie.Npostate : Principal Performers, Mr. Young and Migs O'Neill. Atter which, MAILS. • Amtivr.l)-1 Prance, 1 , Dultlia, NValprfortl. Due-,2 Gut- Imiburg I), I tlultitod, I }Limburg!). .\ ;,t rtif! liattk, Exch“ltter, !East ludia and 5.,,,th iea tiousua. . . inGui~4.l'l'i It LoNloN wrtif , (;E: T w kimutow. Morring, 83 tiiiillll.4, - ; alter I.ltrenibg, 53 mintitcs titter 2. THE BUN sog,foi quii ImAttu P AUDCAT LONDON, ' Thrunsn.a, Rl, Y 15, 1817. CAPTURE OF CUMANA. itEPoitTED DE AT TI PETION. New York‘ l'apyrs to the 113th April, Iloston ditto to the I 9th ditto, and Philacielph:a to the 'l6th ditto, arrived this morning. [From the ntitton -if rho rtester DJ' tli.:l7tit ri: KINGSTon, (J) MAItCI; . yesterday learnt by a private letter just re ►in tti;s' city. that General Morino has been rooted in attempt ing to nags from Sogamore to Venezuela; by the army commantied by Chevalier . Lervier, and es7ap t ed by the pl a i n , at the entrance or the Spaniards into New Grenada. The division a l'Etranger, CO" manded by Bayer, in the service of the Spit , 'thirds, is gone o v er to the independents, and abandoned , their Chief; this Division was called the Loyalist corps of Ferdinand,: AlAnctt 1 7.77.1tecent ad , ;ices from C l imana "Mt, drat General lot), Independent force, had 40WIl On the GO tilt. after a lora of between 4 and 1300 naen lietore the at' Nett s Marinn,!,ent in a flag of tract - to : o'a r°} l 'd garrison, stating that if they would surrcntkr they ihould be meted it 4 ptisoners of ti ar. sni Alovi'cd I, ' rout total tot an answer. t entrA r id° 11' that the finsWer did not require four minutest's! videearims, anti that they vorulti oar sutra!' rhe sittac/i, upon receiving this reply, ifsatedio contintioterl ; w lien, after a severe contest, essitat of the town . Undependtnts tit:cont. victorious, Pod gai at4 ro i» 700 to 1030 li.;''''`f troops then retited into the fort, wititia."l° sisoited, awl the whole of . tire& virte l'ut t ° Sword.---The Royal force in sltippiog, conslll of n ine brigs and schooners, had pat rittol4:P " The brig Care*, frhin St. 1:10 tie C 6 ' Lagoira, was stilltietai'nel I try the noYali'"' ' I IC to be give', tip to the Brazvi of " 14 C. j'Pt. Sterling, which had been►at liaguirsl:l liarbadoes. t ;,} " Cliott.sTON, AFIIIL 7.--(Froni oorna.ea By the ship Gyrlts, arrived on Saturday etol! 111 ,15 days from Kingston, we have receitetlO of Jamaica Papers to the Igth ult. ~. " We learn, ver ball y , by this arrival, thstie 01' d lion motion had just r eached gingstoot source which it was believed might IN rcliedi that Petiall WilS ticatl--tliiS will probably ill!' dets o to new changes and . convulsions in dial i4ldnii.—"flie demand - made - nisoo -1-16.1'''' 14: time since for the Jamaica pilot haat, "'hill), e itt ' / " 1 been cut tied air to St. Doirdagoi t'g-1 ref yil . A ' 4 w, had bornused, and a COO' ' A , '* ,T. c j c iUMP . ' crew, -at.llng i 1 out ICingston , to enforce go (Curvier.) t. • at inK l " I)EATIT OF 1./sTiou.--We leara uy. , .ith t s ' gent Gentleman who catne passefige, ,1 Cyrus, hit it waf, currently repurteil..*lldyca, rally believed in Kiogitvii. 0 31 rri'°ntliet, dent of flayti, had met his tleatli, trod lOC 4 '3lO F pOisoned. The officers o f the terteo ,i, v a rcee, who boarded the Cyrus, al . lo ict,tif,:;;;c; other passenger of this fact.--(Clig t, lo r e vo " NEW )(bag, Avast- 14.--4,0111' t 6 10 Ck‘ • 111 . i days front COVdtret, iOft)hillr ll's so,o , . ( be 1 3:rived titere abont the 20tIt u lt. foul poi M' iit , Rnd brought int diJigelice tb' r i11' 0 ,,, A r'"Y hall re tl • gaitterla .If:tit 6°4 Cesi 1,, , r, 0r ,1i , , , , , ,i, 1 li ' ' V::0:4 Naw Our...E.ANs.Cgill' r,„ fri ,„tertiq rsliip Pdritasw, who itirived bur' Y — , ti ,,,)/ Nets °demos, 111(111:led the );,litors vi ,,,,, , ,t rile v 4. , tritite Adi'ertiYer, the td•i e I Y il' " fr o (° Le jeCcivtit lbefollowir.' .011°2°4°711 il r° ..... , i, b co .,et " Oil the 2,0111 M-tic!,, ri'°' bliti,lo Nen . ti. fe.)4 t i s, In conseutiroce of I'd , ~,,te t lhe al" /him •./ .•i ,r v3l l ~ 41 on. representing tit tt , . ~,„„itti, • .oeor toil ~.,ii ed r' ~. • --r., 111 11:%1',;tCe tO the I,' , o f o g I ,l 'n France. It resttlted iu tbc ,it''' s ' ' tt tit" r id, on sailor, and se ts I;cts w (/tim 1 ,,, r 0 s l P;' ‘ cu . uct ion - of titi silly's Olt ° , i'd'iltllieley, 0 :1111 N Oil the Ri3vcar,ilitCof a.lle r '' ~.., of his flares, the mob di,,,perted. c i ort P . ,:, „1,.... r .. , " LAT p. raw , : "F Ft t: Se VI I/ "'',.. t iter, ,, Ilia t ing, of the :•It.it l'ulunieer, Wit" '4l ,,eio • _.• t.,le on 110 v`',. P . „I 0 yes terjoy, itiliants, that w. , . ti o poco l'acifie ()era!), "lraviag'ller (1 0/ '' h ' c t ipt a dill the /curvy she was ohligal to V I , 140, , 01, Or 0 of Coquimbo for rcirelOoelllS' • 00 10 0 bulling, he and his boat's crew ts'gre o.ooot Capt. F. Wll3 iSlitleditiblely IllarCtleds1:0101., '° fiuc-d in a I dace 10' bi 5-1 f, et ' „iaLlaji dot 0 t hole ~•")41,,r by ten niches, - . e 4 o r 1 rb°° . L I admit the air, and this ttegl. , ,lt an 1 112001 411,(1 fl)a*Sy ._ b,;tl_, of iron, -- t ,rioi,l,, kinds of die most obitusioo. / 0.30 ,1 f o rd! 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Oti regaitt!tvi, 01 ' ,iiii ( De s eeuce ss :.+ F:4-u:errd itt:o :i cot;csrlit • otoor ti" "1 fitlii nor, renioristr.iring in 3sl „leo% , ) cceived,,aoo ,l_di Ole tier.twetit'be hat. 1 ~.,vtla ' .. 1 'a 1 - Itw etc CslltSett'ir,' .1 C,iliiellol' occoor, 1 olio load rot iiiii) :iii 1)00-,, 6)1 t ' I:,:ve b e .:tt thttli Uhlti4.l. 1 by coofcre4lce o ovil gi j!:S3'i t 1 acts by savittg that they h:ol S'V.st** ttti hat We iconi ere tlifill:Sed () • .01.10 Present opprei.trors of the ptCsellt lie `pt I +9 Chil i. and other PM to o CerilOr stated , hio) um er." i Arnit.t.—(llo"val`' 00 0, f:° 2ll i o too o s by It.sre seileii the crew of . 0 I tie 111 ti 0 WWI 114' fr c4tUreil off d bt. CAI n no° Jailors Wir t ' ) ciew ,sere then set adrift die the • pocli (le "IP set osa