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IMPERIL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF PEERS. FRIDAY, JI/N:B. 27 In the, Appeal. Martin v. Macnabb, Mr. Alex ander was heard for the 'Respondent, and the Lord AdvoCate of Scotland - in reply.—.ludgment on Monday. Lord HOLLAND presented a Bill to revive an. Aa of the 41st .of his present Majesty, enabling a Cre ditor, who has; taken his Debtor, in execution, to re lease such Debtor *ithout prejudice .to the . rights possessed by, such 'Creditor:by virtue of such execu tion. The Bill was read a first time, and ordered to be printed. Mr. ALEX,\NDER; Mr. GRAHAM,- Mr. DUNDAS, Mr. DAWSON, Mr. DAVENPORT, and several other Members of the House .of -Conpens, brought up the Irish Spirit Licence's Bill, the Irish School Com missioners Bill; the Stamp Office Regulation Bill; and several private Bills; which were read a first time. The Irish School Com Missioners Bill, and the Stamp_ OffiCe Regulation Bill, were ordered to be printed. _ _ The House resolved itself into a Committee on the Irish Post Roads Bill, in which several Amend ments were made on the suggestion of Earl Spencer and the Earl of Hardwicke. The former Noble Lord gave up his intention of opposing the Clause relative to a New Road from Limer,ick to Galway, for which he was thanked by the Earl of Limerick. — Report on Monday. The t Excise Regulation Bill i passed through a Cote 7 mittee, and was reported. , • . Lord WALsINGFINm reported Simpson's Divorce Bill, which was ordered to be engrossed. , Customs Custos Fees Bill was read a second *time, and committed for Monday. Adjourned till Monday. HOUSE OF COMMONS. FRIDAY, JUNE 27. The SOLICITOR GENERAL brought in the Bill to, Alter and amend the Bankrupt Laws ; which was read a first, and ordered to be read a seconthime on Mon day next, and to be printed; as was also the 4.udi tors' Bill. Mr. HOLFORD moved the third reading of the Bill for incorporating the Philanthropic Society ; but, in cyder to give time for engrossing a,clause proposed by Arr. Tierney; the debate was adjourned till five o'clock.. The. East India Shipping Bill was reported, and the Bill ordered to be read a third time on Monday. On the Motion of Sir 'JOHN NEWPORT, the Com mittee oh . the County of Wexford , EleEtion. was de ferred from -the 3d of July to, Thursday the 16th. Mr. DUGDALE moved the 3d reading of the Bir mingham Canal Bill. • •Sir J. WROTTESLEY moved . " that it be read a third time on this day three months." On this the House divided, when the numbers were, for the amended Motion 57.—Against it 43. — Majority 14.—The Bill consequently was-lost: The House then resumed the Debate on- the Rhi- Jatithropie Society Bill, when propocod a Chance to indemnify the Parish of St. George the Martyr, 'in which the Institution was 'situated, for any expellees the Church- . wardens or Inhabitants may be put *to- by the objects of the Institution obtaining Parish Settlements, or be ing taken up as vagrants. Mr. Hot.Foan and Mr. PERCIVAL opposed ,the Clause. They stated that the SoCiety had already 'indemnified the Parish fbr any settlements the Ap prentices of the Society may obtain amongst them; but that if they ran away from (he Society, and*sub sequently, by other means, obtained "a settleMent in the Parish, if Would not be equitable that the So ciety should be charged with it. The Clause was then negatived. Dr. LAWRENCE proposed an .amendment, purport ing, that on the appointment of a Chaplain, the President of the Society should notify the same to the Vicar,, aid making it necessary that the said Chaplain should be approved by him, and that, other wise, the Chapel should 'not be opened. .Mr. HOLFORD replied,. that this would involve' the Society in endless disputes. The Society was established at the expence of goool. and its object was to educate the children of convi&ed felons, and others drawn into criminal praelices at an age when they were more objets of pity than of punishment. The revenues of it arose, in i great measure, from the industry of the children, and the collealions of the chapel, and that pseful charity, in a great mea. sure, depended on them.—He had ' no , ObjeCtion to the Vicar having a negative with a reason, bUt a ne- gative, without any reason assigned, would only be vexatious. It was not sufficient to say, that at all events the Re&or would not shut up the chapel, for lie had already done it for eight Months successively. The Society had even offered him a compensation tbr any loss he might think be sustained by it ; but instead of accepting it, the ReCtur accused them of simony. Ttis chapel was not built or supported by the parish, and had no dependence whatever upon it. When this Bill was.submitted to him, he re fused to make any obServations upon it. This In stitution could have no private interest. in view, and ought nqt to be subjected to the power of the Vicar. The Motion.was negatived, and the Bill read a third time, and passed. A ►Message from the Lords announced, that they bad agreed to the Teinple Bar Lottery, and several Private Bills.. Mr. DAW SON having previously obtained leave to du,so, brought in a Bill to amend the Laws relating to the mode of accounting for the money granted for making and .repairing High Roads and, ridges in Ireland. Sir J. NZWPOIiT obtained leave to bring in a Bill to enable the Commissioners of the• Treasury in Ire lan4 to contra& for the Duties on Butlerage ir4 that Cotintry. 13E1.L-ROCK LIGHT HOUSE. On the Motion of the LORD ADVOCATE of ScOT . ;AND, gip House resolved itself into a Committee, consider of the Report relative to the erection of Vgfr 1406 e on the Bell4-Rock, near the junc tion of tb . e 1 icth aqd Clyde, on the Eastern Coast -of Sc . pt!and; Nyhen he moved a Resolution, that it Nipp.if be j ighl beneficial to the Trade and Naviga- tjon cf ' this Country, -if a Light > ouse were ereeted on the *ll-Roo*: • Mr. BAKER observed, that certainly in 'many situations Light Houses were found to be extremely useful things - ; liut when the. Learned Lord meant to engraft upon it a grant of public money,, some other explanation should be given -of it. The LORD iIDVOCATE said, the explanation would be found in the Report laid . before the House, . 80-far back as the year 1803 ;as to the utility, he•.should think no proposition more Self .evident, than that it would be beneficial if a light, house could be ere&ed upon every rock in the ocean, and surely much' more so on the coasts of these islands. Th-ere were. infinitely more persons lost upon this rock than the .public ever knew of; for, unfortunately, it generally happened that all on board perished, and nothing Could be saved. He thought it a sufficient explanation to say, that the rock was a very dangerous one, and that &light- 7 house cou!-!'k be ereEted upon it. • . Mr. PERCIVAL thought the circumstance of the Report remaining unnoticed since the year 1803 did not make • very favourably for the Bill. He could not help observing, that it was but yesterd a y the House heard from the other side that nothing should be agitated of interest to Scotland, at this time, when ,so many Members from that part of the Country were absent. If that was to be the case, in a matter of such general utility as the training of the people, why shotild not the same argument hold in this, which was a bOon, and not a burthen. He doubted the truth of his Learned Friend's posi tion, that it would be, advisable to ered house on every rock in the ocean; for though it may have a pretty effect, yet a plan of that kind would form such a constellation round the Coasts of these Islands, as would dazzle the eyes, and,be.pro duetive of a ruinous confusion. The Learned Lord stated, that the Navigation was to pay the expellee, by a duty of one penny halfpenny a ton on all Vessels trading - in. that direCtion, ,which would fall principally upon Scotland ; but the great ex 7! pence of the erection at" least, he fancied, would fall upon the Public: Besides, it was not certain that such contributiOn would be sufficient ; for, if he remembered right, when this projeEt was before submitted,' the Ports of Hill and' Scarborough were also to pay their share of the contribution ; and if the duties, by the present Plan, should not be found' sufficient, it must in -the end be defrayed by the Public. The LORD ADVOCATE replied, that he re mained last night in the House till he was compelled to leave it from indisposition„ . but while he remain ed, he heard no objection made to any Scotch Bills being brought forward at this period of ,the Session:, He had discharged his duty in layincr- the matter be-, fore the House, and it rested with' them in what manner they would dispose of it. Mr. JOHNSTQNE spoke in favour of the Bill. 'Mr. SMITH said, that the Coll3Mittee to wh9M this subject was referred in a former year, were unanimously of opinion, that • the Bell Rock was an extremely dangerous one; and that the ereCtion Light-house Upon it would be highly beneficial to the' Trade ,of great Britaint It so' happened, however, that Vessels from Hull and Scarborough, were, by the former Bill, not the present, subje& to their share of the contribution, and the merchants, though sensible of the utility of the scherne, 'chose rather. to run the risk than pay their :share of the expetweb. Tat objcaion, however, 11* obviated in the present measure, and he give it his support. • The first Resolution was then agreed to.: The second Resolution was, that eliery.Ship and VeSsel belonging to Great Britain and:lreland, which. Shall sail to or from any of the Coasts South of Ber wick,' to the Eastern Coast of Scotland, towards the jhation of the Forth 'and Clyde, within a given ,dis tance, shall pay one penny-halfpenny `per ton to- . wards the expence of a Light-houSe' on the 'Bell Rock ; which was, agreed to, and, the RepOrt ordered to be received to-morrow. MARQUIS WELLESLEY. Mr. flonnousE brought up the. Report of the. Committed appointed to examine General Sir Jatnes . Craig, at his own residence,' on the subject of:the Oude Charge against Marquis Wellesley ; was ordered to he printed. - Sir ARTHUR WELLRSLRY,M OV ed;" Th a t a C opy of the Minutes of, the remaining Evidence taken on the Dude Charge against Marquis Wellesley, be laid upon the Table ;" which was agreed to ; brought up by Mr. Tiobhouse, and ordered to lie on the Table. COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY, ARMY EXTRAORDI- NAMES, &d. Mr. VANSITTART moved, " That the. HOuse do now resolve into a Committee .of Supply, and that the Army Extraordinaries, and various.otherAc .counts, be referred to it ;" w hi c h b e ing g agreed to, Mr. Hobhouse in the Ch a i r; he stated that the Accounts of the Army Extraordinaries had been so long delayed by reason of the difficulty in making them . up, arising from a number of Expeditions sent out ; and without delaying the Committee any longer moved; " That for, the. Extraordinaries of the Army, from the .2th of December,. 1804, to De-. Cember 1805, there be granted to His Majesty the sum of 207,3721. 6s. 10d." Mr. Huiictssow said,he. oniy rose for the purpose of remarking, that from 'motives of general conve nience, a great part of that business .was' transferred last ye3r,from the Barrack to the Commissariat De partment. • L. s. a'. For the purchase of Buildings in Palace-yard, West n»nster, • - For Works done, to both Houses of Parlia ment, since the 6th of April, 1805, - , - • r 2,600 o' o British Museum, , - - 0 Payments from the. Civil List Revenue, 3eu 0 0 To the Clerks of the Exchequer ; for 'ascer taining the Residence of Clergy, - 278 o o To the Commissioners for Auditing the Pub lic ccounis, - • /•' 5,243 '0 0 Additional Clerks to ditto, - 2,718 -0 6 For early* on Public Prosecutions, - 5,000 ca. o For carrying on Buildings a t the new Jlint, - .1•0,00 o o the Magistrates of the Thames Police,' for Charts and Plans', • - - - 3 2 4 .• 0 0 For inserting the. Prices of Sugars, Ac. in The Lourlon Gaiette, - 43 4 17 0 . To Messrs. Winter and Kaye, Solicitors on the Impeachment of Lord Viscount Mel- • Nil le, . - Mr. HUSI;ISSON observed, that there remained many more' Supplies to be voted,. such as . two mil, lions Arrears of Subsidies, Src. • and few of the xuaterial'sums bad 'yet been brought forward, e 1.7 cept the Land and Malt, and the provisions for the Lean. He d wishe to knOw the whole woil t l' , when be submitted' .1, • 44,024 0 -Lord 1-1. PETTY replied, but in so low a tone of voice as to be inaudible in the Gallery. The livsolutions were theta agreed to and ordered to be reported on Monday. Mr. HODHOUSE brought up the Report of the Irish Distillery ColleEtion Bill; which was agreed to, and the Bill,ordered to be read a third time on Mon day. Lord H. PETTY gave notice that he would, on Wednesday, submit to the considerat ion of the House a Motion on the subje& of Vaccine Inoculation' in the United Kingdom. COMMITTEE OF WAYS AND MEANS. Mr. VANSITTAUT moved, " That th e House do resolve itself into a Committee of Ways and Means ;" which they did accordingly (Mr. Alexan der in the Chair), in which it was resolved, that the sum of 4,500,0001. part of .the sum remaining to be received of 14,500,0001. voted for the Services of 1805, be granted towards the Services of the pre sent year. The House resumed and the Report was ordered to be received on Monday. The Militia Bill went through a Committee and several Amendments were made.' The House resumed and received the Report ; Which was ordered' to be taken into' further consi deratiOn on Tuesday, and the Bill to be printed as amended. TRAINING BILL. The House then resolved itself into a Committee of the whole House on the Training Bill. On the Clause for calling out the men for 2 4 days being read, Sir JAMES PULTENEY proposed,, as an Amendment, that the Bill should be .in force for two years ' • and 'that the same body of men should, be trained for forty-eight days instead, of two . sepa parate bodies of men for twenty-four days. In his opinion 200,000 men, trained for forty-eight days, would be a much more efficient force 'than twice that number, which had in several bodies been trained only for twenty-four days each, and would be more to be depended on, in case of any emer- . gency that could happen. •M. Secretary WINDHA M said, this being . a new mode of training men, it' had for that reason been called a matter of experiment,. and all matters of experiment should, in his opinion, be made for as short a• time as possible, in order that you might derive advantage from your own experience. He could not therefore see any necessity for extending thecajntinuance of this Bill to two years instead of one; but he ohje&ed to -it for another reason, which was, that it would be looked . upon as too great a hardship to fix such' a burthen on any one set of men ; and further, that one of the objects of the Bill was to put as great a body of men as possible: successively into' training. , Viscount CASTLEREAGH spoke in favour of the Amendment ; he went ' over many Of the argu ments used by himself and others, , on the different debates on the Bill,, and drew a , comparative view of the expence of this Bill and that brought i n b y ' his Right Hon. Friend (Mr. Yorke), in 1803 ; though there could scarcely be any fair cOuiparison , made, his Right Hon. F r i en d' s mea i sure being so' much less expensive. He would therefore compare the expence of this Bill with that of the Volunteers. The - Volunteers were `to receive is: 'a day for 20" days, and 2os. for clothing once in three years; the. Right Hon. Gentleman, it was true, Said • he did not .mean those men to be clothed, and they might not wear any regimentals at their musters; but there - must be' clothing prepared, and ready, in case they should be called into the field ; otherwise, if taken in arms, those men would •be considered by the enemy as marauders, and executed accordingly. The Right Hon. Gentleman's training under 'this Bill, would, he said, come tb about al. 12s. a man, and the Volunteers to .about 41. so that there would, only be a difference of Bs. a man ; and when it was considered that the Volunteers were already in a state of discipline nearly equal to a Soldier, it was astonishing the'Right Hon. Gentleman should pre fer expending the . public money in favour of train- • ing such a loose, unofficered, undisciplined force as this must be, to the Volunteers, whose zeal, ardour, and patriotism, had formed them into a state of Most complete discipline.. He insisted that the force - to be raised by the Bill now before the House would be extremely expensive, whilst it was, totally inefficient, and would disappoint not only the hopes of the Country, but the hopes of the Right Hon. Gentleman also. If the Right Hon. Gentleman meant it to bean officered Corps, he should agree to the Amendment ; if it was not to be an officered Corps, it would never be of any use whatever, and the Regular Army would be much better and stronger , without its aid than with it. For these reasons, he I should support the Amendment. Mr. Secretary,WlNDHAM said, it certainly was not his intention that the men should be trained on Sundays,. but be was not convinced that it would not be the better way. He had not come to this determination on account of any religious scruples, on his part, but because he had been informed by many; arid indeed be really thought that it would destroy the reverence for religion. Fbr thiS" - reVer ence, he said, he was a greater advocate than was generally believed ; and it might be recolle6ted; that he had at one time expressed his opinion with re gard to Sunday Newspapers, which he considered as a great and growing evil.' With respe& to the expence, : he thought it. should be considered as trifling, when ,compared with the expence of the Volunteers, not even including the immense sum subscribed voluntarily. Mich had also been said by . :the . Noble Lord about the Voltinteers being a much better force; but on thiS subject 'he would say nothing, it having been already ;so much debated, except . .to desire Gentlemen to recolle6t, that besides this force, there was in the Country a very large body._ of Volunteers ; and he thought it absurd to Suppose that they would be less serviceable because we had this trained body of men. Viscount CASTLEREAGH ` ag ain said, that the present system was .full as expensive as the Volun teers, without being so eflicient ; and added, that the Right Hon. Gentleman was entirely silent with respe6t to the clothing. Mr. SPENCER STANHOPE wished to know how the men were to be officered when they were first raised—whether by the Serjeant or the Con stable ?-(a loud laugh froin the Opposition bench) or whether any others were to be-'appointed ? This he copepive4 was point that shotild be explained' .to the House ; and if the Right Honourable Gentle iP;,44 W4S, corprWA 4 ( fi.q4P4Ptk4 it of 4PP/ not only as a Member of Parliament,'but as a Deputy Lieutenant. Mr. Secretary WINDHAM was much asto nished that the fancies of Gentlemen should be so much tickled at the speech of the Honourable Gen tleman.: for his part he could not see where the joke was : he supposed it was in the Constable ; ,And, indeed, he thOught the Honourable Gentleman had need to explain it, like Bayes, in the Comedy of The Rehearsal, who sayg, " the joke is in the boots." The Right Honourable Gentleman then said that the Serjeant was—to drill the Men ; and the Con stable, who, it - was well known, had a kind of au thority over the:men, .was to. stand by and take those into custody who were deserving of such a , punishnient. . Mr. PERCIVAL referred to 'the late Bill brought in by Mr. Yorke ; and said, that his Ho-' noiarable Friend had-wisely provided a Captain and • other Officers for 120 men ;, for it was absilrd to suppose that it could be done by one man and' a Constable; who'was to stand by and take every man into custody who did not turn out- his toes. He therefore hoped the Right Honourable Gentleman would make a provision for the appointment of Officers Mr. Secretary WINDII-kM said, the only dif ference he saw was, that in the. Bill to which the ,Honourable Gentleman alluded the Constable was called a Captain, and there was , a waste of military Mr. PERCIVAL explained. . Sir J. PULTENEY then signi'fied his jntentiou. of withdrawing his Amendment, as iE was consi dered by the Right Honourable Gentleman to be inconvenient. A short conversation then took place .between. Lord H. Petty, Mr. Percival, Mr. Spencer Stan hope, Mr. Bastard, and Sir W: Young, and the Clause was finally agreed to. After a long con versation on the Clause with respe& to the pay ment of fines; the Gallery was cleared for a division; but the Clause was agreed to without any having taken . place. Upon . the Clause appointing two days in the week for the 'purposes of training being read, • Mr. CALVERT moved an Amendment, that Sun. day, except during the hours of divide service, might be appropriated to- the said purposes. This produced a conversation, in which Mr. Wilberfbree, Mr. Wm. Smith, and Mr. Percival - op. posed the Amendment • and Mr. Yorke- and Sic James Pulteney supported it. • Mr. WtxrixAm said he was not of opinion,. that the praduice of training men for the defence of their Country, and its religious and civil Establishments, would be an injury: . to the -reverence •of the -Sab bath ; but,• to obviate objeaions which other Gen-• tleinen entertained, he should Support the Clause as :it originally stood. , . . Ur. CALVERT said lie would not press what he had proposed, and withdre* his Amendment. After some further ClauSes were gone through, Sir JAMES 'PULTENEY suggested the propriety of deferring the consideration of ,the remaining , Clauses of the Bill till Monday; which was , ceded to : the Chairman reported progress, and' the Committee obtained . leave to sit again on Monday. - The Bill for the Encouragement of the ,Thread Lace Mannfa&ure, with Amendments, and the PoSt-Office 'Regulation .Bill, were read a third time, . and passed. The other Orders were disposed of, and at Two • o'Clock the I-louse adjourned till Monday. MAILS. DUE —2 Ilamburgh, i Gottenburgh, z Lisbon, i Dublin, 2 Waterford. _ PRICE OF STOCKS THIS DAY AT TWELVIL O'CLOCK. - 63 1 Oinnium - ConiOls sk THE SUN. SOLLM QUIS DICERE FALSUM AUDEAT ? LONDON, SATVRDAY, JUNE 28. 1806. THE departure of Mr. 'JACKSON (lately the Bei. tish Minister at - the Court of Berlin) for the Conti. nent, has induced many persons to suppose that he is gone. to resume his functions at that Court. Al though wo are inclined to think that such an event is by no means distant, yet, that Mr. JAcitsort should be sent, back to Berlin, to resume his of ficial cnarader that Court, . under the present circumstances, is very improbable. The grounds which induced HIS. MAJESTY to recall his Ali* • nister from - Berlin remain at present unaltered, • and•we cannot suppose that, until Prussia retraas k the - principl4s up4.)n which she has- a&ed, and, discontinues those hostile measures which she a,dppted (very reluaantly we believe) against thin Country, the British Government willyelax in that spit iced. condud which has done it so much ho. nour. There is, however, strong reason to sup. pose, from the marked reludance which Prussia has - manifested to engage in hostilities with this Country and with Sweden, that the. Prussian G 0.,. vernment is convinced of the impoliek of ;its recent . . Measures, and is by no means unwilling to renew the relations of Peace and Amity with Pmvers against which it never had the slightest ground of complaint. If Prussia ever seriously expeaed to derive any per manent advantage by complying with the orders, and forwarding the views of BotiArattrE, she must . now ,be completely undeceived. She was prevailed •, upon to give up some ofher most valuable possessions in exchange for the Electorate of Hanover; but no. sooner had the formal cession of Cleves, Anspach, &c:lakotrtilace, than his Prussian Majesty was dis . , .• kindly tom by -00NAPARTF; tilat he must by no means .consider Hanover as finally annexed to his Dominions, llutthathg Was to occupy i;proyisionaily..