The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser. — Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1833-03-26 00:00:00

Nnwerial Paritantatt. HOUSE OF LORDS. - WEDNESDAY, MARCH 20. The Earl of Rosebery presented petitions from Dysart, Fife shire, for an alteration of the church lay patronage system in Scotland.—Lord Segrave presented petitions from Rodborough and Woodchester, in Gloucestershire, and from the Baptist con gregation of Painswick and Kingstanley, in the same county, for the abolition of negro slavery, and an equalization of the sugar duties.—Adjourned. THURSDAY, MARCH 2L Petitions for the better observance of the Sabbath were pre sented from Rochester by the Bishop of that name ; from the Protestant Dissenters of Aldermanbilry by Lord King; from Kincardine by the Duke of Sutherland ; from Exeter by its Bishop, and from Wooton by Lord Suffield. Lord KING presented a petition from Steyning, in favour of a removal of the disabilities of the Jews. The Earl of ROSEBERRY presented a petition from Mr. Hope Johastone . , praying that an early day might he fixed for examin ing into his claims to the Annandale peerage. JURIES (IRELAND) BILL. Lord PLUNKETT rose to move the first reading of the hill for amending the law respecting juries in Ireland, which had a few evenings ago been laid upon the table. The bill was in prin ciple similar to that which had been brought up last session *out the Commons, and which had been at an early stage re ferred to a select committee of their lordships. In that com mittee many alterations had been suggested, among others, one for referring it to the consideration of the Irish judges. That suggestion had been adopted, and he found that there was not that universality of approval of all its provisions which lie had ventured to assert. Many of the provisions had, however, been approved by the judges in Ireland, and their suggestions had been duly attended to in framing the present measure. Re serving till the second reading a minute statement of the pro visions of the bill, he would then confine hi.alself to its leading features. Its first object was the consolidating and simplifying the several statutes relating to the qualifications and returning of jurors in Ireland; and its next was the assimilating the Irish jury laws to those of England, as much as the difference of the tivo countries permitted. With reified to the qualification fox jurors, there would be little or no difference between the two countries, the Irish judges agreeing with the framers of the bill that property was the most suitable qualification. On this pro perty basis, then, the bill proposed that the qualification for a county juror should be a £l5 annual property, either as estate fee-simple or entail, or as a 21 years' leasehold. In the bill of • last session it was provided that 15 years out of the 21 should remain unexpired; by the present bill no terminable restriction was imposed, and the 21 years' lease would qualify, even though • Vet one year remained unexpired. In towns or boroughs not • counties in themselves a house or tenement of the value (yearly, we presume) of £2O, would be a qualification ; in Cities and towns, counties in themselves, a £lOO household Troperty, (entire value,) would qualify its owner to be a juror. hese being the qualifications, the next point was whence they were to ascertain their existence. In England the returns were Made by the parochial overseers; but as there was no such au thority in Ireland, he took the next best substitute—the barony tollectors. The Irish judges, it iyas true, rather objected to the barony collectors bein g . made the returning o ffi cers of jury rank, property, and qualification, on the ground that the ar rangement would tend to embarrass the sheriff in the exercise of his functions; but as they had not proposed any other person in whom they would place the trust, and as their apprehensions were, as it appeared to him, made under a misunderstanding, he was convinced there would be no valid objection to the power being vested in the hands of the barony collector. The list furnished by the barony collector would be liable to the revision of the justices of the peace, assembled, in sessions for the pur pose, and their revised and corrected list would be kept by the clerk of the peace as the material from which the sheriff would strike his panel. In striking his panel the sheriff should pessess the discretion be at present exercised, the only restriction being that his exercise would be confined to the clerk of the peace's list. Witll respect to special jurors, a very im portant alteration in the law, as it stood, was proposed.—. By the bill introduced by Sir It. Peel, when Home Secretary, for amending the law respecting special juries in England, in every criminal case - shoit of felony the prosecuted and the pro itecutor might have the case tried before a special jury. This _principle was adopted in the present measure, with a qualifica chstinctly specifying the material—that is, who should, or who should not, be members of a.qiecial jury. The term "spe cial jury" evidently implied a select jury,—select on account of superiority of education, rank, property, and fitness : so that the bill declared that the materials should be composed only of ions of peers, baronets, knights, magistrates, merchants not retailers, and persons of a certain amount of property. Iu 'England a special jury was struck out of 48 persons on the sheriff's grand panel ; in the present bill it was proposed they tiould be ballotted for from the names of persons of the rank he had stated ; the deficiency, if such a deficiency should • etist, from which a special jury could be struck, to be previ ously made up'from the most respectable names on the clerk of Elie peace's orilin.Ary jury list. These were the chief alterations and features of ; its particular pro Visions he would spe cif on the second reading. The Earl of Wicstow conceived the alterations just speci fied by the learned lord to he great improvements; and felt the more disposed to co-operate with the learned lord from the attention which he had paid to the suggestions of the Irish ' judges. The bill was then read a first time, and ordered to be read a second time on Monday se'nnight. On the motion of Earl Fitzwilliam a return' was ordered of Cle average price's of foreign corn in the several ports in which British consuls reside.—Adjourned. FRIDAY. The Earl of Courtown took the oaths and subscribed the rolls • et Parliament. Several private Bills, chiefly Road and Railway Bills, were brought up from the Commons, and severally read a first time. OBSERVANCE OF THE SABBATH. The Bishop of LINCOLN presented petitions from the Minister, - Churchwardens, and inhabitants of the parish of All Saints, Leicester, and other parishes in his diocese, for the better observance of the Lord's Day. The Bishop of LONDON presented a petition from St. iiridgett's, Dublin (in the absence of the Archbishop of Dublin) praying a more rigid observance of the Sabbath ; also a similar petition from Paddington, and further petition, signed by 120 eheesemongers and grocers of Westminster, against Sunday trading. The petitioners suggested that a penalty should be attached to those who bought on that day, as well as those who sold. Lord ELLENBORObox thought it would 'be well would some noble lord introduce a bill upon the subject. The Bishop of LONDON said that a bill lid been introduced into the other house. Lord Eaerseoitoucti was of opinion that a committee should be appointed to inquire what the law was before their lordships proceed to legislate. The Bishop of LONDON said that a report which was now being printed, and which had come from the other House of Parliament; contained all the information necessary upon the iseltject. The Bislicip •of LONDON then laid on the table several other petitions against the profanation of the Sabbath, from a parish an Essex ; froin the nifiabitants • of , Hammersmith; from St. James, Westminster; and other places. The Earl Of RossLisi presented, from the minister, congre gation, and inh a bitants of Dysart, a petition praying an altera tion in the chilichpatronage of that place. The Earl of ROSEBERY presented , a similar petition from Forfar. The Earl of CAWDOR laid on the tal4 a similar petition from a parish in Scotland; and a petition from Cardigan, for the abolition of negro slavery. Earl RODEN laid on the table several petitions from parishes in the counties of Antrim, Kilkenny, and Cork, against any al *ration of the church property in that country. One of the retitions stated, " that the proposed alteration was contrary to fie articles of the union, and appeared calculated to be striking a blow at the Protestant church of Ireland." The Bishop of LICHFIELD and COVENTRY presented petitions from Stafford Burton-on-Trent, and pa r i s h es in W arwic h s hi re, against the beer bill; likewise a petition from the *inhabitants of Stafford, praying the immediate abolition of negro slavery. A PEER presented several petitions , but neither the subje cts -. to which they referred, nor the places from whence they came, were heard in the gallery. LAW AMENDMENT BILL. On the motion of the LORD CHANCELLOR the order of the day :or the house going into committee on the above -named bill was discharged, and Tuesday next fixed. This was crone, the noble and learned lord stated, for the accommodation of a noble and learned lord who was desirous of being present when the discussion took place in the committee. Earl-FITZWILLIAM presented a petition from Braybrooke for $ ie abolition of negio slavery. IRISH CHURCH. On the motion of Earl FITZWILLIAM a return relating to the several dioceses in Ireland was ordered CORN LAWS. Earl FITZWILLIAM then gate notice " that on the 30th of April he should call their lordships' attention to the state of the laws respecting the introduction of foreign corn, and he' Moved that their lordships be summoned." Adjourned till Monday. THE LIVERPOOL. STANDARD. twice ns high as the actual .rent paid for the acre. This tax was ruinous' to the agriculturists,. and he trusted that the go- Yernment would consent to a revision. He concluded by mov ing for leave to bring in a bill to repeal the malt ditties. Major BEAUCLURK seconded the motion. He Was eonrinced -that unless the, house determined to repeal some tax of this kind, which produced a large revenue to the government, and thus compelled the government to find some means of reducing its establishment to a level with its income, the session would pass away without the slightest relief from their present burdens being afforded to the people, The existing establishments -of the country were framed upon too large and too liberal a scale, and in endeavouring to reduce them within reasonable limits he was proving . himself a true friend to the monarchy and to its legitimate interest. In his opinion, it would have been much better had the hon. baronet deferred this motion until the bud get had ben opened by the noble lord opposite; but as the hon. baronet had not done so, he was bound by a sense of duty to his constituents to give to the motion every support in his power. - Lord A LTHORP said that the point on which the hon. and gal lant officer had just touched in the conclusion of his speech was the point which 'he wouldpress upon the hon. baronet as the rea son for not acceding to his present motion. The hon. and gal lant officer had declared that in his opinion, this motion ought not to have been brought forward until after the budget; and in that declaration he (Lord Althorp) fully concurred. When he had been 'pressed by hon. members upon the repeal of other taxes, he had made the same statement which he should m a k e now, that, as in a short time he should have an opportunity of stating the view which he took of the finances of the country, the sum total of the estimate of the year, and the amount of re venue which it was probable would be received, it would behest to defer till that time the consideration of the taxes which it would be most expedient to take off. He hoped that the hon. baronet would not think him guilty of any discourtesy, which he could assure the hon. baronethe had no intention of display ing towards him, if he said that the present was not a fit moment to moot the repeal of the duties upon malt. The amount of those duties in the last year was £4,200,000. The noble lord con cluded by moving, that in the original motion all the words after the word " that" should be left out, and that there be inserted in their stead that " the order of the day should be now read for the house resolving itself into a committee of the whole house upon the Irish Disturbances Bill."—(Loud cries of hear.) Mr. BARING said that the house must admire the ingenuity with which the noble lord had endeavoured to get rid of the present motion, and to bring the government business under the consideration of the house. He (Mr. Baring) thought it desirable that the Irish bill should be gone into with as little delay as possible;_ but still he could not help thinking that the hon. member for Birmingham had not been treated by the noble lord with that courtesy which was due to every gentleman who brought forward an interesting and important motion. , He was of opinion that no good would be effected by appointing a committee to inquire into the causes of the general distress existing among the industrious classes, but he thought that much good might be derived from the discussion which must take place upon the motion. There was a general idea pre vailing throughout the country that the distress arose from the present state of the currency, and the discussion was likely to generate sounder notions upon that point that those which ex isted at present. In speaking of the repeal of the malt-tax—a tax which in 1830 had produced a revenue of £4,Boo,ool)—it was impossible not to see that the house could not dispose of so large a sum without looking to the whole -financial condition of the country. They might as well look at the assessed taxes by themselves as at the malt-tax by itself; and he knew that there were some gentlemen who did take that insulated view of the different taxes against which their constituents protested. What be had always feared would come to pass under the altered system of our representation had now actually taken place. The metropolitan districts being near neighbours to the noble lord, and reckoning among their representatives some of the noble lord's colleagues, entered into his anti-chamber in strong bodies of delegates and representatives, and with an in fluence which was hard to resist, and which was scarcely just to the rural districts. The noble lord should recollect that there were other districts besides the metropolitan, and he (Mr. Baring) could assure him that if deputations to the 'Treasury were now to be the fashion, his constituents from Essex could easily fill Downing-street with those carts on which the mea sures of the noble lord and his colleagues had recently imposed a heavy and an unexpected tax. He thought that a committee composed of gentlemen usually living in the country, and well acquainted with its internal condition, might make a useful report on the various points to which the hon. baronet had alluded, and might thus enable the house to deal better with this question whenever the noble lord should come forward with his view of the finances. (Hear.) Mr. HUME wished his hon. friend the member for Lincolnshire would withdraw his motion for the present, and give them a more favourable opportunity of discussing this question ; for in that case he would prove beyond all dispute that the repeal of this tax was not a question of revenue. He was not in clined, any more than the Chancellor of the Exchequer, to part with £4,000,000 of revenue, unless sufficient grounds were adduced for it; but in the present case he was inclined to think that a reduction of duty would not lead to any reduction of re venue. In the year 1785 the duty'on malt was only 10s. 6d. a-quarter. In proportion as the duty had been raised since that time had the consumption of malt been kept down, so that in 1830 there was only an additional consumption of 200,000 quarters, although the population in the interval had increased from 8,000,000 to 14,000,000. Had there been the same pro portion of malt used by the population of 1830 as was used by the population of 1785 there would have been upwards of 6,000,000 of quarters, instead of less than 4,000,000 of quarters used in the year 1830. (Hear, hear.) What he should por pose upon this subject was, that the duty upon malt should be reduced from 20s. Bd. a-quarter, its present amount, to 16s. 6d. a-quarter, its amount in 180'2, when an addition was made to it, and made to it expressly as a war tax. If such an altera tion were made in the amount of duty, he thought that the consumption would speedily rise up to 6,000,000 of quarters, and if that should be the case, we should have nearly £4,000,00(1 of revenue from this tax, at the same time that we had a greater consumption of malt. He implored his hon. friend not to put the house to the inconvenience of dividing upon this question, when the house was not prepared to discuss it properly. Mr. WarteuraoN said, that friendly . as he had always been, and still continued to be, to the reduction of taxation, he should on this occasion vote against the motion of the hon. baronet, and with the noble lord opposite, and for this reation,—that very few persons expected this question to be brought forward on the present evening, and that -the raising of it could not meet with that attention which its importance deserved. (Hear, hear) Besides, he would not vote for the repeal of the malt duties, unless they either reduced or took off altogether the duty on the importation of foreign barley into this country; (hear, hear,) for otherwise the repealed duties would not go into the pockets of the consumer, but into the pockets of the barley grower, or at any rate of his landlord. (Cheers.) He would not, how ever, enter into that question now, but would ask the hon. baro net to consent to withdraw his motion for the present. Sir E. KNATCHBOLL asked the hon. member for Lincoln shire whether, in the present temper of the house, he thought that this question, important as it was to the agriculturist —im portant as it was to the consumer-=important as it was to all classes of the people of England, ought now to be pressed to a division ? (Hear, hear.) Sir WANG it UT said, that under existing circumstances he felt that be could not do better than accede to the suggestion of his agricultural friends. He would, therefore, withdraw his mo tion.for the present, with the full understanding, however, that if the Chancellor of the Exchequer did not hold out some hopes in his budget of reducing the malt duties, he should be at liberty to bring it forward again. HOUSE OF COMMONS. WEDNESDAY, MARCH 20. ADJOURNED SITTING. At 5 o'clock the speaker resumed the chair. A petition was presented against the late election at Dover. ' Colonel WILLIAMS wishedlo know from the noble lord oppo site when it was likely that the Decan prize money would be paid. Lord ALTHORP said that-an order had been made for the pay , wont of the money, and it was about to be distributed, when a petition was presented to that house which compelled the govern ment to suspend the distribution of money in order to give the petitioner an opportunity of appealing to the Privy Council. The appeal had been lodged, and would shortly come on for hearing. Mr. Hunts moved that every member presenting a petition do affix his name thereto, in order that, if any thing disorderly or irregular should be found in such petition, the member might be referred to for explanation. After a short conversation the motion was agreed to. Lord ALTHORP postponed the motion which stood for to-night, that orders of the day should precede notices of motions on all days fixed for the consideration of the Irish Disturbances Bill. Sir H. PEEL said it was impossible to form an opinion as to what business would come on while this motion was kept hang ing over their heads. Lord ALTHORP said his wish was to proceed with the Irish Disturbances Bill de die in diem, but it must depend on the feel ing of the house whether he was able to pursue that course. Mr. O'CONNELL thought he had a right to complain of the late hour to which the house prolonged the discussion on this bill. Sir M. W. RIDLEY was of opinion that the sooner the bill passed the better. Lord EISRINGTON rose to express a hope that his noble friend below him (Lord Althorp) would not enter into any compro mise upon this point. DISTURBANCES (IRELAND) BILL. On the motion of Lord ALTHORP the house resolved itself into a committee on this bill. The 12th clause was then read by the CHAIRMAN, which pro poses to enact "that the lord-lieutenant, or other chief governor or governors of Ireland, shall nominate and appoint one of his Majesty's serjeauts-at-law, or counsel learned in thalaw, to act at every court-martial; and such serjeant or King's counsel shall be and be deemed to be a judge-advocate at and for the purposes of such court-martial: and shall have all the powers and authorities, and perform all the duties and functions which any judge-advocate may, or ought, in case of any court-martial, to possess, execute, and discharge." Mr. Bonn said that it was customary for the court to be cleared of the prisoner and his friend, as his advocate was called, whilst the judge-advocate was left with. the Court to assist its deliberations. He proposed to add an amendment to this clause, a proviso enacting that uo judge-advocate, or his deputy, should act as counsel against the party accused in any such court-martial. Mr. O'CONNELL proposed to leave out the words "counsel learned in the law," and to substitute in their stead "or an . y barrister-at-law of not less than five years' standing." This would give the. government the power of choosing a judge advocate almost from the whole bar. Mr. BOTCH, after some discussion, consented to withdraw his amendment. The 12th clause, as amended, was ordered to stand part of the bill. The succeeding clauses up to the 23d were with some verbal amendments agreed to, when the CHAIRMAN was ordered to report progress, and to ask leave to sit again to-morrow. DISTRESS OF THE COUNTRY. Lord ALTHORP asked the hon. member for Birmingham to postpone to a future day his notice of motion, which stood for to-morrow, for the amendment of a select committee to inquire into the causes of the general distress existing among the in dustrious classes of the united kingdom, and into the most effectual nwans of its relief. His object in asking this ,question was that the committee might proceed with the Irish-bill to morrow-evening. Mr. T. ATTWOOD said that he Would make a compromise with the noble lord. He would not stand upon his right to bring on his motion, if the noble lord would consent to stop the committee on the Irish-bill at 10 o'clock at night, and allow him afterwards to open the debate, which might then be adjourned to another day, or if the noble lord would give him an open day on which he could bring it on at an early hour. Lord ALTHORP could not either give the hon. member an open day, or assent to his proposition to open the debate on his motion at 10 o'clock, and to adjourn it afterwards to ano ther day, as such a proceeding would produ c e in the country a false impression with regard to the merits of the motiop itselt. An hon. member said, that if the Irish Disturbances bill was not proceeded with to-morrow night, his hon. friend the mem ber ter Lincolnshire must have precedence for his motion for the repeal of the duties upon malt and !lolls. He knew, hew ever, that, anxious as his hon. friend was to bring that motion forward, he would readily postpone it for the advancement of public business • but if the Irish bill were n o t p r o c eeded with, he had no doisastirat his hon. friend would insist upon his right to bring on his motion previously to that of the hon. member for Birmingham. Lord ALTHORF said, that if the motions on the order-book were taken as they stood on the book, the hon. member. for Birmingham would have no chance of bringing on ,his motion to-morrow night, as almost any one of the five motions which preceded his was likely to last the whole evening. Among them was a motion to alter the laws relating to grand juries iu Ireland; a uiotiou to repeal the malt duty; a motion to alter and amend the law of libel; and a resolution respecting tithes in Ireland. He understood that all of them would be postponed, in case the hon. member for Birmingham persisted in his de termination to bring forward his motion. The hon. member would see from this, that his own object Would be defeated, if he persisted in his present determination. Mr. T. Al TWOOD asked the noble lord to let him have Mon day next for his motion. Lord EBRINGTON thought that the hon. member for Birming ham was, under existing circumstances, scarcely entitled to the courtesy which he asked from the noble lord. After some further discussion, Mr. Arrwooo said that he would endeavour to bring on his motion this day. Here the matter dropped. The Stafford Bribery (indemnity bill) was read a second time, and ordered to be committed. OBSERVANCE OF THE SABBXTH. Sir A. AGNEW nioNed for and obtained leave to bring in a bill to amend the law relating to the observance of the Lord's day,. . . . . . _ _ The bill was then brought in, and read a first time, and or dered to be read a second time .on•the 31/th•of April; and to be printed. The hon. baronet gave notice of a similar bill for Scotland. The other orders of the day were then'dispoxed of, and the house adjourned at half-past 2. - • • • • THURSDAY. • . This being the day fixed for the . ballot4 on the Lendisnderry (city) and the Montgomery (borough) election .petitions, the gallery was not opened until a quarter to 5. o'Alovic.. Mr. Briscoe obtained leave to bring io a bill to amend the Thames Tunnel Act. • BUSINESS OF THE .lIQUSE. On Sir W. Ingilb y , who had givej), notice of his intention to bring the subject of the malt tax before the house to-night, be ing called on by the t, Speaker— _ Lord AYtilea rose, and said that be wished to know whe ther the hon. member for Birmingham intended to persevere in bringing forward his motion. Mr. T. ATTwoon.—l certainly think it my duty to persevere. Sir J. WBOTTESLY said that if the lion. member for Birming ham had had the advantage of a little more experience in that house, he would not need to be told that he was, only doing an injury to the question which he was desirous of advocating by pressing it forward in opposition to the general wishes of the house. (Bear, hear.) Sir W. INGILBY thought that the interests of England had fully as good a claim to the consideration of that house as the bill brought in by ministers relating to Ireland. The question of the malt tax was one of the most important that could be dis cussed, and he would, with the permission of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, submit the subject to the notice of the house. MALT DUTY. Sir W. INGILBY then proceeded .to bring forward the motion of which he had given notice, for the repeal of the duty on malt. The earliest period in which a tax was levied on malt Was dur ing the reign of William 111., since which time the tax had gone on progressively increasing until the memorable period of the French war, when this tax on the beverage of Englishmen was raised all at once to the enormous sum of ss. a bushel, or £2 a quarter. This tax required a whole army of excisemen to collect the duty. In the county of Norfolk the present price of barley was very low. It was worth little more than 20s. a guar ter, it it was - worth so much, and b e f ore it cou ld be made into malt, and brewed into good beer, it cost upwards of £3. The county which he had the honour to represent was a great barley county—no less than 500,000 quarters being raised annually in it; but the malting of the barley was so expensive, in conse quence of the tax, as to make the price (lithe produce of au acre STAIE OP THE COUNTRY. On the question that the Speaker do leave the chair, Mr. T. Arrwoon rose, pursuant to the notice he had given, to move for a select committee to inquire into the cause of general distress amongst the industrious classes of the united kingdom, and into the most effectual means of its relief. Dis tress had 4304 V, unfortunately,. become so general in the country as not only to involve the rum of the most industrious classes of the people, but even to endanger the safety of the throne itself. What was a reformed Parliament for, if it were not to apply some remedy to the distress which prevailed? Nothing had yet been done — . -just nothing, and yet it was quite notoriou s that there were millions in the country plunged in the deepest state of suffering. Comparatively few of the people had peti tioned the house. They had hoped every thing from a reformed Parliament. He had said to them, "Wait, and let the reformed Parliament act for you." He was now sorry that he had so much confidence in that Parliament. It had done nothing—yet dis tress, which was general, extreme,. and unnatural, was g re ater than at almost any former period in our history. The distress experienced in 1816, and 1817, and 1819, was ;light, compared with what existed at present. Men were not even permitted to have the penalty contained in the primeval curse on man—:that of. eating his bread in the sweat of his brow. Labour was the penalty of that curse—bread its reward; but the labour was de nied, and for the reward men were forced to beg, and to beg in vain. He well recollected the distress of 1816, 1819, 1822, 1826, and 1829. Petitions were sent into that house from all parts of the country, containing millions of signatures, and what did the house do? It threw the petitions under the table. What did the people do? Disappointed, and almost in despair, they became desirous of change. That desire became at length universal, and the desire brought about that change. What was the con- aped the 8411411411W11t havi jr.iiveort w h a disadvantag eous opthei niollilva gentleman s made cir cunu hi up or talon of the:people of this country at preset ,had more Mohr than they could bear, anti s ' "-thing to dos and yet the labourer coaldpreee 441 ' .than was required for the support-of liaise) :• y e poke of agricultural labour; in mannfact •ing,, however, that the question.l Of the produce was still greater. It could • 1 present moment the working men consune 1 Y confident that that opinion, w beef and mutton than during the war, hate would be borne out by . any die as it ought to he. He was prepared to pro' ei. The effect of discussion wou, England, during the last 17 years, had beer establish a very different princip proststetive payees than it hael•been during t , tn. member; therefore, he was a loss as great as if all the land north of tie to prevent discussion, and he I thrown into the sea. This was owing to the 'went be, thought that the coin meat. The condition of things was daily t, in the slightest degree, to effe stead of better: labour was badly paid, !ar.) An hon. relation of the 1 carried on with scarcely any profit, and in itid given. notice of a motion on e profits of the manufacturer were a diminT uesesay, and another hon. membs Commerce declined in the same proper' I after the recess for a committ shipping interest, it could be shown hi 4 4 the country. Here ample e shipping in the Thames were under more 1 for discussing all the hon. gel had been or would be foreclosed, as ,n , His object was obviously and p worth the redemption. Look at the poor-: le state of the currency. He v what they had been 17 years ago. It wt. ,gth the grounds on which he wou minal amount, in money, they had not inei ~ - t hat ' t s a : - . , o „,_ xistiug system, as lie should d( quantity of value supplied they were d ou bleei; o ieli Al cki ter occasion. The hon. member saw,paid double the nuinber of bushels of %chea t e d as 51 ittls3 3 B, that the act of 1819 was the cause paid during the war; and if the poor were rei l L e v s bels,,, t y e ' for th e ' He had not, however, stated wha -as they had been in war time, the amount in uu iii wo, h s topl ai , evils in our monetary system, of would be quadrupled. The people were s tarvillg ha eog 1 ,as. ea „led. (Hear, hear.) Those who arE Byre -i f e;of t tl 'tee ,ecause it was very easy to declare of plenty. Had we _gained anything in foreign h a d, Vt o 7re , 4 T, to take place, ought also to state these-domestic sacrifices and sufferings ? If n, Poye s ,"sr) i What sort of change it was that t , bear them with something like conteutment. P 10 . i gained no such honour. On the contrary, we ;i t . e . I st v. tie elirr ul the country-it was very easy to cuffed and buffeted from the Euxine to the Bt.' 1 , - e . I, l li4 ° ' k m e lleY was the cause of that distress: not look even the lowest of our enemies in the 1 % a i 15,,,. o a „tt these assertions were ready to sl: as .it had been said in that house" bound Ito tha t T ao, , the distress could be 1 £80J,000,000 to keep the peace; and it was not i ths ,7 0 11, ati P know e r pecisely what they meant. to have it said, as it once was by a statesman, lis feel" , 1 1 li f ou w,`,.,ether hon. members, had several t orteerrable state of 'distress than ever it who thanked God for this bond, as it hincleourodlir Si' s be , fault with his Majesty's ministers to war. What a situation for a country! The I ,rhe 1 41. 1 %44 1 7u, the country had ad been descril enriched by receiving 490 in gold for his £tA +he o°4 riii ers, then, could not contribute to a war, and ' ,4 .. to ''; to Do t t iel eason why they did not state this v would not, because it would reduce their 'i.:9° l e ' ` rie ,Ase Vela to it to be the fact. (Hear, hear.) from these causes it was, that as a nation, we west ill I;l , 4e t te t s 'eh a man could say produced a % post to pillar by every blackguard and Wa s ; for 0 0 e ko h o i r "re odium and obloquy, than to e (Laughter.) After having been kept in suspei!_,..o t., 0 10 ‘ ,:' 1 b e , e t r that he was more prosperous that -in hope to-day, in despair to-morrow, -a ft er ''', l, ' ;l. 7aties, q4 loo get 4 e was quite aware that great dist time to time, "Wait, and things will get better. t.s o f : o q„, i, ati Nie lbe labouring classes of the country Vas the agricultural labourers broke out into a e for tia,,,h t f , .1.,,, te ' - ' on him to say that the labouring Was it a matter of surprise? It was impossiblebo,r le `',l e s say distress than ever they were bef on, ground down as they were. The price of is or e .041Ployla it. (Hear, hear.) He believed tha lowered ag . ain, and these men would be once„ eclelle t ,N di 'n eat, snore work, at the present time, upon the ricks and the barns of their more wea" d i scs'asa t Tat wi , s ,i s resa, than at many former periods and ruin and destruction must folloya. We 11 _ 3 t t here:Atlo--A,"" respect to a certain class considers lately of the prevalence of crime in Ireland; hu, e r e _rA t 2e kstp alluded to the hand-loom weavers as here, most of it grew out of the misery of l' - ',, tbe,,,t e '.144 of that distress was not to be traced when the people ceased to find that protection ft: sa e r e is t Oas cii ):: but to the increase of machiner; which they were entitled they would cease to r t r a IP', ,uses ho Tss, he admitted, but that distre, 'What had been stated about three months ag° , 3 1.13$ , ,i ll is ee „ .... enee t ,„ 6 do witlethe currency. It nine delegates from parishes in the metropolis . t 00 1 ,, t l , s ti ut `auses to the consideration ot whici all trade was carried on without profit, and tht, told b A 7 li ea ?' of that house to apply itself. (H were living on their capital. Ministers might 4 " te d; Oe 4 ://s ste ,teember said that the people of Et the , t e il t io. % , (s h a , possess himself of the property or wl sycophants that these accounts were exagge r 'id dos t aies i nth e „ , "ed state that they were looking wit were capable of proof, and could be placed ben_ 0 0, 1 , 41 40 ._kigl it and wishing each other, dead, in ord quirt' were granted. In many other parts of e t , e l , to _, itute as themselves? But he looked bodied men were working early and late toe aIT . 00 , ,-,0„,7 h 4,,rft behind him, he did not, he could Bs., 75., 65., and often not more than 4s. a-wee' l o be(11 e e ' t q_se rte Z t Possibl e that paupers, as they were ( expected that men thus circumstanced could 1 ; e pos it %f t' ', as d est !'llY advanta from the destructior jets? It was truly observed by Blackstone, th at a va could be expected where no protection was give ll s ' o s s'a ,h,nt „P l.', and,he believed he knew enough be remembered, and acted upon, that protection._ 0 , ta, I , ,;. (t stitit_ r-a iglishinan-that no number of E duty on the part of the government as allegian" O f t!i e ' j , re t Zse)%7 l 4 l, h or ever could indulge, in so horr people. To the want of such protection inaVe tra 4 , lo , toed/Ic e d f e hon. member had asserted tha which they had to deplore in Ireland could L',. latiebetil, team, our times as much as he consumes change in the value of money had rendered thu d A t ~ e l tatk l th e „._ee the case where the labourer wa able to meet the mortgages on their estates, an e pre;',llisalatty lea n round, and that had rarely bee time obliged them to reduce their rents. They i! o i ce bes A' 4 l s o oi l t r!e• They had been told that trade sides and they were obliged in turn to press on Lic h " or s s ev u e eir capital, and that some of thei and let it be remembered, that the name of the,r„ _''' 0010 , i i a e stos a 1.4 Years. Now, this assertion ref was connected with a measure-the bill of 18-P - s don I et, Ives quite forced to live on their capital of the currency. That measure was the cause ° l ; eit ee' e aP , e t a ,Wg 4 e clear that trade would soon be en' rents on the poor, and they now saw the conseq oe c i f ) I t ek k `i. al ly c a Proppsition was made for a comm not, therefore, the landlord who was to blarne..,,,i. , t ete t :t s t h e uplaint of distress, every man oug reduce, his rents without involving himself in 'l tie ei,, pre .h evi at a sar ease, and to ask whether the appon time that this great change was made in the v a a. ce j w o ot,N,lll t i .,was not likely to increase that dist] rency the burdens of the people had been re I' d c o o o te i 4 67 s weal` If, upon consideration , he the tion, there would have been common sense,a l tort tae to h e llos t d be increased by granting a tire; but to make the change without this reaw; r be I oti. ;tat l'ef tt , e ° _, be told that he was destitute an exterminating army through the land. , r tell, 8 0 te etal,ao le ,,,ci to vote for that committee. Loot must be relieved before they could relieee the', :e f tn„se, e, 4 , 'IV' taken by the hon. member, and e they relieved them without. obtaining such rs . o ), ja 74, he fe l t a h .,`-ted.with that line of argument, whi they must be involved in certain ruin. In It 3 ;`, s s bi e l e gis a j t it s ritited, might be inclined to take or in 1829, a deluge of petitions was sent to that h ate sail' it s k e4. NO ,winced, that so far from relieving t ple; but the legislature refused to inquire into I sla 11 ,,Vii:l k% „gAt l , 4 a committee would tend to iucre produced the general distress complained of. 1 0 to f ov no es - , t, 14 u r,lbli, ll t be the effect on every sort of cre self examined before a committee on the subie e 0 01 1 ' 0 31 Q it t 1 10! a committee were appoiuted, and distress; but he was not allowed to state his view to oe f tlt k to Ne s b iti' the purpose of which would evid The committee told him " we want to inquire t° canto., yl e ue li s d Reti e ; ,k depreciation of the currency cept the immediate cause of the existing . distr es°, , too ,k,t l l4l je atist a i h a ' question, as introduced by the price of agricultural produce." He said ''' - 1 1. 3 1 ell?: e 14 11 o h ~,tee , ,ged from going into it, thinking ti reason, and prove to a demonstration, if you w l o f the) ' t it aile, s 'ae hi 'ldislied by a protracted and multi the distress is occasioned by the small quantity„ Inoi re h o p mciloe; . e !sent occasion. The observation currency which agricultural produce realize,s,• to inqjs i e ,` it t , t lieteb e % he thought it right to throw outs] 1822, in 1827, and in 1829, Parliament refuse u .. eo cy• te ,i 1 1 ..". (Mite .„ 1. 8 /notion, and should only add, 0 the general state of the country and of the curt ites se o d: pre,ale4,..'c ins with his duty to COME 180 petitions, all complaining of distress, . wel t i i soilitt it Q t :POS Q PI sai produced no effect; they were neglected, and a et' co f i st ,tes, to a d that if the hon. member for B table. He had one from Birmingham, sign e o f the ha i ' Il i a': gli s o;eilit a committee to inquire whe sons, which called for all inquiry into the stat F..., 0 5, 0 t :yi tto elotio,. be changed, he, for one, would as the main cause of distress. Such an ingot s/ he s tV ktt geli ,the distr s but the hon. member only me refused. Gentlemen in that house knew 1 104 d i s trel f et . 40' e - m o ias es jress of the country, and thinking pinched. He believed that the whole of the las i 14 V i ts 3 _ 4 4 f lihl ;44 ':;gation would show that an altera content which had existed in England for the. oo , 1 ,4, 5, t(1 Ql '4' 5 e , 41 4 . to, instead of diminish, the distr intimately connected with the currency queSt,t he r se,ll,f, ti lll ear t a ti 'lllg to appoint the committee. that b y . an alteration in the currency system 4 .'„deda d ati'l tl. t kt ,) kro 4c ,, t of. gross injustice had been cm tress might be relieved, without injury to anY.: O " - r , a o ,bste d ti ps, t ',_/li sai r,e member for Birming:ham was at the same time security to debtor and creco diee s V. O , , ?t, is uJe tt Qat nu ' ee revised; it would be for the us tato satisfaction to all parties. He had no preiu, d s sas b s': l Jtg ~,011 , 4 by agreeinges : the house would not be i l t , as, ,ni st , t e thought that a committee of inct serve in thus stating his opinion ,• all he wisu e o l eo; ro , , I ;,ti st ,D4 tg to the appointment of a I prevailing distress relieved. NVhether th e , Ol e s c , cause, or the national debt was the cause, 0 i f t lr l,lo e , t't.:. Oeteb„ 4 ° the house and the country, and ~. II er _divided taxation was the cause, mattered not to hito;,,, 0 % , o .l i , i 044 , uo. , ided the house, to vote with hi thing which produced so much evil were throe a t ' si ii "t,l S ei ,",',Ext was against the appointment should be content. (Hear, hear.) They w Q er i a th,s, th r,' j c i e t sprees on promoted -by persons known to change of the currency was effected hi 1 04 - h at oq c cv 41 . ,. t s , ( Y ).. eff ee 'ai the currency question, because I cause only an altemtion of 4 per cent. But w d fe . ; t ioa ' l a , s ho t th e e 4 °f such a committee would be tc sro te e tit e e r . gi es g,. classes, and stated that with the 4 Instead of 4 per cent., it caused an alteratiou(aaitli be, L, t, Rli lt 24.lp l , L ° . tlatry. cent. The Whitefeet in Ireland, the prxdia.„se a „ fts AN t t ei l 'qiiri u " dwelt upon the distress of the c and the political agitation in this country, rleg l ',l, ceur „ispciipOi r g . '' g r ali hs t i t t h e h 4 re refused to that cause. He saw political agitation gro ' , t ee d'ofit t ‘,,,, ~ ( ii % could not make any profit in ti time that the petitions of the people were o ,e t isar, inelle "e 1e diffl eu e i ,r ! and a laugh.) Gentlemen wl the honour of being an agitator himself (` to e an,,,sa r enr e No r d t o red to answer or refute him. The 1 laughter); but he had no idea, when he boa t.. (I!„,,,,j.„ l lti,,,),43i rmin `LZxtra c t s of-letters, showing the injuring either the aristocracy or the ain, and the increase in the (Here the hon. gentleman, in support of his r h V ke ie 0.0. 0 41 1% V kg IiI)Or t ears. In conclusion, he exe long extract from a declaration put forth b i l 3( Political Union, on the 25th of January, 1 i i;: il i e t" 'PAN I'4 l ' l argued , e it rnotion, and declarpd his oi would lead to fear f ul conse asserted that the measure of 1819 had affected lit. , . I he t.„0:, s et 4 re e 't ei , 1.. ' that there had been a brpe as was represented, to the extent of 4 per ce , es ist', 41% 4 se c ' th e ~,asi l, .. subject of the currency. The of the declaration complained that, tulirocealioned a -difference of cent. per Len t he ,•liki e d` 4 ,' , lt t it d a'is litres in a depreciated currency,- orsaa for wishing to return to it tern, poverty was the reward of honest ind us t bd ,let 5 00 ,S° 4 I f i l , ll ' ' u nder to ., 0 0t A it whiay dial hi rie t % ,, arbiters between debtor and en were the reward of indolence and sloth; and l h ai llo ss oc i B 1,,,,,,,,r arz ,_ . e l ' i Alto both. The country had not I reform was necessary to produce a better an" u si ;pat: ,Or e ' 4 , 4 1 ao 4 t ",tlti!ang distress and discontent affor things. This (continued the hon. member) 11° J. . ile"' >' 4 , Gar t o v zruit4 committee of inquiry. He ho e cte gri d r d' t h Y . il e C eth animo of the society with which he was conn, b v c t ., 4 o ~: oti 041 . e faults of their predecessors like others, had originated in the distress whicoa i t! r 144 i°!et tr , NG ss a ldaints of the people. that distress had never existed those societies OT o d ab` re 0 be-p.olitea as acquainted with the condi been known. (Hear, hear.) The people of c sio t .l. i se); 1 0 e ,!es e ,Peri e ' et e r th at ueroughs, (the Tower Hamlets hibited remarkable patience • a patience s° . P o t t.. 1.4 ti,te"ta kto whe t , 11ever, during the last twenty titled them to the consideration of that boas e y ess, &ell e t i 1 4 :441te felt e ie 4 , l stress had lieen so generally! to pacify Ireland, let them give to the Irish r cal' e ill, l gs 4 ess eet tt be th iabouring classes-distress an tection which would instil into his heart the r ea l: ~'l ip o b p 40, tki i ,, t,.wh oli eir employers. The shipping in I man. Let him cultivate his native soil. - 1 - 1 ` sc ar''' o el - be tto. i t r 4 s, he J a liffil se 4Y . unproductive. The distress % lands and bogs, and set the Irish peasant t ° ,„10 .0 , ~rd di . 4 NI w a mtaitt er i , all classes suffered, the labc If they adopted - Inch ningtfte's as those, IrelSey P,1' 1 ,0 4 4 d Nii l . B j i (late Pore especially; but he denie But Whilst so much was said about IrelalA t , wo r t i t is ' re -a t. ,s t Z li e 'asse s : 4 „ia stating that distress was c whatsoever with respect to England. 1 " 1° ,10 f°,`,l be P a s'ltt I f" tb e. e d . bef ore 4 h i e motion of the hon. memb ministers as to what they were about to wo w- o wn ria:1 1Ss ,0111 tt , isas„ s o ,,tne house as an abstract.p He hoped, however, that some good fruit s cat C ii o ve e t I ki t r,N, ~ in qui .= the country; if it should i n :::i....afitShercjir.c from the tree of reform; . if not, it should l'j o f al l A c d .,VO, ,3tureat, th e b o r i tt es of the committee, that the s into the fire. (Hear, hear.) The busilleie . aUr la t sevj e ., ci s e , ..t° deal ~?ra of the distress, it would t was to secure the happiness of the peltv'ef that the o l:tick',,:st a t le; ci i",th the subject as circumstan that every honest man who felt the proprl' ,luirY t he egf ~,..,1 ) 1 4 ei ie : geritl eihe it Was an extraordinary doe was bound to support his motion. An ''',.,3oY,•„f 04;0 4 iii; l , A t() tllp S A ll PPOrt ed i lf peculiar opinions on ti tion which he recommended would take Tel' re"7ol° s ee,le, SZLT l C,''streu c 'ne motion, the house ough discontent; and when that was done,, " - r eel ' t bieg s o t' it l‘o,in th e - pP did t ' 0 : the country. the people would be happy, and the anstoed, if a ~,,„, i , ipt , t th at ab,)ur inc „ , state that distress was cot l ii : taalutetestion of 1 .: . , ,T1 was sorry to see th If, however, his propositmn were reie e h t „ e loo l 'p e r c h i '„eig is'q lay e rneloy e ib s e lasses; he admitted that p lowed to remain in their present state, "c,• c h " 0 ,.. - ,, 0' s ff t) , m, a that h e wa :ere also suffering to som apprehension to the evil consequences v l P u l acd 1 -v t of4` i sel des for l(4 it had b e e of opinion that the distret low. The honourable gentleman c onel neer esl a t i t hc l it' ap ,Sp L i Es.l.te hate d.,. select committee, as stated in the coralu e sa id, t , h ich diqt, 4 %, k „,_ rrapagh am listened with attention tc Mr. GILLON, in seconding the motions ov a 1 : a De !t o t f j le ti4 not institute some inquiry similar motions votl a i 0 e . :', l '. 89A481‘c(iheur; in which he was sorry with a gr W um r s. o t t a te n s e l e e s y o ) f o i av ow rss 0t o il - , ,, ie ic tili • IStre s euo member for Birmingham preposed, th' • , s to w ar! oe& eitcebild.inreteeraesitzth, creasing demand for a reduction of t • co la 'OEC Le e , ()w in , 8 atnom, u. member as to the it %%amid be impossible for ministers to ew W oo titite r „ i g a good de ,., e the middling classes. matter would end in the election of a . ri g g irl 2 that would not disdain to institute au ' ll-4 ' 44( t felt bound- to say the the present distress. an t? OP° '3 l iiit? l ti gin 1 1 1 1 . 1 Mot the other two% air selfand ro;twil ctUres the Pth thinde.l be shaw°,bircihrstitsse , Elko rove all°:;eo;l3elacip%*%Letlittrureteear'irefite, t en 00,6ftt.0A, itua 01 the wor;,t°, yitvolluby'utio e, yh,,heebrauegliaraufieitcvotcegt:lff 4411,c1440::(.41iftleeainintillphottt: n 4 t h e; lotion . n a a 0 et 4 r lieu Ttei rtion ..--.rto th e .kot: _ kat t;irnite ( Le as tgage , r cooOt f afr O re o. jot Via )r via,rd e d lates, ec ru ,(t-:ed at was traej .te at teng th e nc reasea , khl. 14/0 ,ea e)