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extra!, and that it was important that we should leave the whole letter; apd if this was refUeed, he would be obliged to make a m( tan' on the subje&, tied then lie would state his reasons why he thought it Se material. He should also like to know, whe ' thjr to this letter, which appeared to be a private one, any private answer was sent by Mr. Fox ? further wished to be- informed, Whether any eerie; munication had Lean made •to Lord Yarmouth - On the subjea of the. Negotiation, by 'the French Glee vernment, previous to the conversation which he • had with M. Talleyrand immediately before he left • Paris; and what was the time of hiS leaving Paris ? He observed, ..that the Paper, stating the nature of the conversation, to Mr. Fox,-was dated the 13th'of • June. He wished to know whether that was'the time- when the Paper was drawn •up, or whether'' it-was the time at whielpit had been:delivered to Mr. Fox ? There Were other points on which some explanation was necessary. One related to the Paper of Lord Lauderdale, of the 7th of August, in which he stated to the French Government that circum stances, which it was unnecessary to detail, pee mitted his Majesty •to negotiate separately ! He wished to know exactly what e thoeP circumstances • • Were ? Then, in the letter of Mr. Windham, of the loth ofSeptember, it was said, "' that every endea veur was made at the outset of the Negotiation to • obtain the restitution of Naples to his SiciliereMa jestye and that the grounds on which it was thought fit•••to desist frointhat claim are detailed in the cor respondence of this office with Lords Yarmouth ded Laudetdale." Now, there was not one passage iii the Papers ,produced relative to this subjeCt, except a very short one in one of Mr. Pte's letters. .He thereforewished to know, whether there could be any objeaion to the eroded ion of the rest of the correspondence alluded to ? Then, in' a letter of LOrd Lauderdale to Talleyrand; he said, " that the terms which would be insisted upon, were in substance the same es those required by Baron de Budberg." Now, this was theonly allusion to the terms npen which it appeared the NegottatiOn broke off. He thought-that the House should be int'ermed what ' these terms were. The point Was eertehily a ma terial one: He hoped' the NOble • Lerd would give such an answer to these questions, as' would render any mo:ion fronellim - unneceisary. Lord 110:PICK expresAad ihis desire of render ing every thing-relating to this Negotiation as clear and 'perspicuous as possible,, and therefore he bad no objection 'to answer the questions. - The first question respeaed the interpolation by the French, in the letter of Talleyrand to Mr. Fox, of the nth of •••• Marche , The Learned Gentleman asked, whether 'there-was a similar passage in any of Talleyrand's letter.. ?—To this he answered, • that nothing more was received than- what was contained in that letter, and that there was nothing in-any of the other let tee bearing the least reset - el:4nm to it. The next question respected the leper ,to Mr.. Fox, stating the basis oft which a Negeaiatien would, be entered upon. This letter, the f e earned Gentleman said, Was en extract, 'and he wished try have, the whole; and insinuated that he,meant to Take this the stib -it.6l of a distill& Motion. The only part of the - letter, however, -that related at all to the Negotia tion, was given in the Papers—the other part of e• the letter was private, and perhaps be would tell the •Learned Gentteman in private what it was, if he chose, hut as it was confidential it was thought • wrong to produce • it, as it would. evidently be im proper with a %itm to any theme Negottation.-:-- - The Letirned Gentleman then asked, whether, there • was any private answer returned by Mr. Pox to .• that letter ?—The public letter, however, in answer to the public communicative of Talleyrand, was all that 'had any thitig to do with the question. :Be did not certainly know . Whether aii'v private an swer had been returned-4e rather 'believed that there was, but he would rriakeinquiry as to that.— . The next question was, Whether there had been -any correspondence between the 'French Govern ment and Lord Yarmouth before his first return 'froth Paris, on the subjed of the Negotiation ? He believed there had not. Then as to the date of Lord Yarmouth's communication with Talleyrand, be could not precisely fix the date, but it must have been before the 23d of May, as 'Lord Yarmouth that day left Paris, and arrived in London on the '4th of June. As to the communication of Lord Yarmouth to Mr. Fox on the 13th of June, he be lieved the intelligence had been given on the sth or 6th. But nothing was done till the 11th, when it was understood that D'Oubril had•been sent to Paris 'by the Russian Government. It was then thought proper to send Lord Yarmouth to Paris, and the sub Stance. of Talleyrand's communication was by him committed to . writing on the .13th, that there might be a record of it at the Office. He left this on the 14th. The time 'et' his second return was .to be foetid in the Papers by looking at the letter of Lord Lauderdale to Talleyrand of the 17th of Au. gust, which was' received on the • 22d. then as to the " Circumstances," alluded to by Lord Lau derdale, which permitted, his Majesty to treat sepa rately, the principal one, he believed, to be the fad of a Treaty having been conclUded by D'Oubril, pn the 20th of July, after which there could be no pbligation to refuse to treat -separately any longer, as whatever confidence his Majesty's Government might have in the ltussian Government, they could have no moral certainty that this Treaty 'would not be rafifird. The next question Trelated to the letter of Mr. Windham, of the 10th of September, where mention- is made of the correspondeficeat the Of- Tice, containing the masons for desiiting from the claim on Naples. As to this, a ll that was thought 'necessary 11 repett to it had been given in alp Papers,. He hoped the • Haase therefore would not insist upon inure, as it was material to'conceai what was • confidential with a view tci any. future Negotia tion. The Learned Gentleman then asked, 'what were t tmns Avon which Baron De Budberg had insisted' —.l,Vtiatever Paper had been sent to this Country. and to the - French covernment by Russia, Ministers would not be justified in exposing it. But the thing was not material, for thelertns might be,. in a grnat measure, colleaed from what appeared on the tate of the Papers. .The principal points on which the Negotiation had broken. off were two—, the s.:cu ring c)f Sicily to hiS Sicilian Majesty, and the evacqz t tioil 4)1 I)almatia by the French. These were the point; chk4ly insisted upon by Rnssia—that he had no ithjettion • to state..i LAftkr what he had said ‘upposed the Learned Gentleman would not any causr for s pressing for the produdißn'of the Ein4'- sian Pam. This m4s nil that theAnatiatz :teemed to c. 41 fax. • before the. King that part of the private letter ,which related to Peace, and the basis on which it might be discussed ; and he, would not have done his duty if he had withheld any part that related to that subje&. Me. PARC.WaiL observed, that if a confiden tial Communication had been made to this Country by Russia nobody would have .thought of calling forit—but when this was made the subjett of a conesamication to France, relating to this,Negotia tion, it then became a different matter. However, be Would not press this point, as he was satisfied respe&iug the terms of Baron De Budberg from the Papers, and what had been now said by his Lord. slap. As to the observations on Lord Ladderdale's allusion to certain circumstances that permitted his Majesty to treat separately, it would appear by a careful examination that these expressions could not refer to the Russian Treaty only, but to some other circumstances. But he must still per sist in -making a distill& Motion on the subje& of the Extra& of the Letter to Mr. Fox. He would state the grounds now, rather. than give a previous notice, if that should be agreeable - to his Lordship and the House.—[Lord Howick here, by a gesture, gave him notice that he wished him to 'proceed.) The House then would perceive 'that issue had been joined by the two Governments on the truth of a fa& ; and though there might be some difference as to the force of evidence, yet there could bd•no difference as to -thiS—that if •Miuisters had made his Majesty assert in his Declaration what was not proved, they were highly censurable. The letter, or . rather the •extraa, was this--[Here he road it]. This certainly was an overtire on the part of France, as it contained an extract from Bonaparte's speech to his Senate, where 1i expiesscd his readi ness to conclude a Peace oir the basis of the Treaty of Amiens. Now, if the words " You know upon what basis," Ike. referred only to the• extriea from the speech, then the besis proposed by the French wtts not that of the uti possidetis, bet that of the Treaty of Amieus -. therefore he \v fished to have the remainder of the letter, ,in order to see s‘ Nether these words could refer to any thing else. But there was another ground on which the House had a right toexpect this letter to be produced. The House ought not to pass it over without the greatest jea lousy, that private communications should take place between the Ministers of two Powers actually at war, where it should appear necessary for ou of them to apologize t o th e o th er f or l a y ing a part of his letter befre' his Sovereign. Yet here there was an apology by Mr : Net Falleyrand for commu nicating that part of his letter that related to Peacd to his Majesty. And though all this passed while the war was • raging, we were told that the letter was not to be communicated to the House of Com. mons. That certainly was matter of jealou4y, and-was one 'principal -cause why he thought it necessary to make a distindt Motion for the pro duetion of the whole letter. This, he believed,. must be done in the shape of au Address to his Majesty. The Motion was then made, and seconded by Mr. CANNING. Lord HO WICK did not know whether an Ad dress was the mode to come at a private letter which was not matter of record. Yet if the letter ,tvie the, possession of any body, and the House insisted upon it, it was the'duty of Ministers to produce it. But ,without dwelling on a matter of form, he woulst,. proceed to examine the grounds of the Motion. He perfeetly subscribed to the sentiment,. that if Mini eters, made his Majesty assert what was not true, they were highly censurable.—The Learned Geutle- Man scuttled to suppose that this-letter would prove IT aepeare that Beeerenez is seriously deter whether this was the case or not. Ministers were - • into execution his Plan of Preventi n g certainly responsible fir what th e y m a d e hi s M a - mined to carry jesty say ; but he had no hesitation in declaring, any Intercourse whatever between Great Britain and that the rest of the letter did nut in the slightest de- all the Countries under his Dominion. On the 15th grce refer:to the terms of Peace. He cotld not po. the new Kin.- of Holland published a Decree sitively say that Gentlemen could not by any inge. ' ' nuity torture some expressions of civility' hao an al. which appears to us expressly calculated to destroy" lusion of this sort, but it certainly 'had' no direst re - • th e sma ll rema i ns of the Deitch Trade, altiletagh-_ fereace to the subject, any farther than whet ap- • is nonelually dire&ed against this Country. By peared in the extra& before the HOuse. But the !-- • this, extraordinary Proclamation, no Vessel is to be Learned Gentleman had gone fa r th e r ; for h e h a d sa id, that the House ought to view with extremejealousy a permitted to sail from, a Dutch Port until certain private correspondence between tlesMinistere of two eccurity is given that the cargo is not to be unladen countries at war. He did not kn ow w h a t the L earne d • Gentleman meant to insinuate. If private letters in any of the Enemy's Ports; and every Ship, that passed between two persons who had: lived in enters a Dutch Port is to be detained until released habits of intimacy, and perhaps of ,souel':degree by a special authority, signed by King Los himself. of friendship, in which there might be ' statements of some private ma t t ers ma d e in con fid ence .to eac h If these regulations should be strietly carried into exe other which related to themselves only, he '"did not cution, as they most probably, will, the Trade of Hol know that the one ought to take advammteed of the • • land must be aneillihned, because it is absurd ta'supe other, by exposing what was communicated, in con- , ee pese that any A.tutql Ship would ve n t ure to p u t ip to • a fidence, to general view. He had stated -; that the rest of the letter contained nothing that coeld throw I.l•atch 1,),,,t with the certainty of being immediately additional light on time subje& of the NeOiation, • seized and detained, until an Order can be obtained, and the House would judge as to the propriety- of t e , bv. K ., ~ • . . . Louis inmeelt, for its release.. The producing it. He was persuaded, • however, that , -14 the House, and the Country, and all Europe would fees for: obteining such an Order of ReleaSeewoulds be satisfied that whatever privete letters- Mr: Fox probebly be eere, hieh—hesides, the vemitiotii'de s , might write, there would not be an exptssion iii them IJyN which tkus SyStWil must create would of them that could compremise the heeser, of this : • • • • Comery. As to Lord Lauderdale's expressioes, they sel"ee be autlicient to deter all strangers from carry did seem to refer to sonic other circulnstances ing on any mercantile intercourse with a Country . than What he had already stated ; but he beli eve d • ,• t . , w Jere SIX irestrietens prevail, that it was nwing.to some little inaccuracies o n th e part of his Lordship. The object .ieiee the The Papers which have been received contain the ben* of a joint Negotiation in enbetance,leaving the Thirty-fifth Bulletin of the French Army, which form to France. confirms the intelligence which we had before re - • /1(r. CiiNNING said, that the Noble Lord seem. • ceived, of the'rejeCti o n o f th e A rm i st i ce b y t h e K ING seem ed to suppose that the question. Was as to the first overture. But the teal point was, whether the of PRUSSIA, and the reason assigned for it is, that. basis of the uti possidetisi had been cooeeded by part of His Prussian Majesty's Dominions being now France, as was stated in the Declaration. From the • oceupied by the Russians, he had npt the pOWee Extract it appeared that the basis propoSed by Franc e was - not that of the ua posadeas, but that of the of carrying the proposed stipulations into ; effect. Treaty of Amiens., The French had shifted on Fresh rumours continue to be circulated of battle* other points, but they had uniformly persisted in havine been fought between the A use i ane an d t he denying diet They had agreed to the hese, of the . uti • m poseidetze. On this paint, therefore, dep en d e d the } ` retch, but they are entitled to no. credit. faith of the two Goveenments. The House, there- Yesterday a Vessel, the Latona, of Shields, ar fore, would see, the necessity of puttiuge that fad on its proper footing. It was t rived Fiverfrom Dantzi c ; th e C a pt a i n. sta t es , ime we st materialpeen of all, and in comparison with it every ether Wee. ins- that oe:l4e:eels wer e w ithi n fif teen m il e S o f t h at significant. . City when he left it; The Prussien Garrison con -4.ord 1-1041 CK said, that this point wOutd he• • , s i stec l of ii,ooo. Men, under the c o mma n d o f Gene discussed on Monday, Whet, he would Ale* from • • ral AIAN From all the information we have the Papers, taking them altogether, that the basis.of aduel possession was originally pro :l by Fretless, beet able to coned respecting the state of Dant **. SLIZRIDAAr saki, that he wessurpeised that zic, it 'is not capabl e , notwithstanding its nu the . whole letter should 'tee called fbr, when it-was , , meroue &meson, of rnakine •any very r> known known that it would be a heinous offence in st.iso nisters tettiithhold any thing that related to the Ne- sis:Lu'ce- If it is not, it ie strange that the- Pros gotiation. If there had been thing else in this' shies ehould uselessly saerifice .so large a portibti.itf, letter that referred t o this, wr.:!) ;3: ""id course have. • the renanant of their Aemy, for if the French haee been produced. If, the 'Learned Gentleman had looked a little farther, he. Would . heee seen -. that -•.g ° t•Nsses'i° 3 of the E4tern Ballk of this • "selk.' 'Fog, in his • answer', said, 'that he tad laid, ' the Gertisoe MM.* cseat* •••••'• • ' • • e • • Mr. PERCH/AL said, that , the only 'absurdity to . which the Right Honourable Gentleman _had brought him way this, that he had suppOSed it possible for Ministers to have done what was wrong. He was willing to give him the full effe& of that argument, and leave the matter with the House.— He was. not more accurate with regard to the Ta pers. What he (Mr. Percival) wished to know .was, whether there was any reference to a basis dif ferent from that which appeared In the Extra6l.? But as the Noble Lord had declared that there was nothing in the rest of the letter that at all related to the subje&, he would not press his Motion. Lord YARMOUTH observed, that as the Learned Gentleman had asked, whether any communica tibn had been made to-him on the subject of peace previous to his conversation with Talleyrand before he left Paris, he wished to give an explicit answer to theluestion. There had been no previous com munication. The faa was, 'he believed, that Mr. Fox had earnestly desired that he should be set at liberty.- Being arrived at Paris, it was, 'probably .thought that as he might be in habits of friendship with Mr. Fox lie would be the most proper bearer of a Communication of this nature. He did bear it, aed actual possession was the basis—Of this he was the more certain because Talleyrand had rejected th 6 basis of the Treaty of A.uiiens, as it might be the cause of quarrels, and did not approve of the status quo, ante bellum for the same reason. He bad moreover said, that as there might be disputes about the basis of tit/ passidetis simply stated, hp would send some explaeation of it, Which he would take care should arrive about the time that he (Lord Yzirmouth) ar-' rived. This' fhrmal communication aelually did arrive on the very day that be arrived. The French.. afterwards shifted the ground,. from a jealousy that we wished not to take the uli possidetis as the bads, but to Make the basis itself the. Treaty, Ho iii tipt know whether he was understood— (.-‘,/ 14a0. . . „, • , After a few words f rom M r . P ERCT ti AL and'Lord YARMOUTII in explanation, the Motion watt with drawn. The Report of the Committee of Supply was I.)rought up, and the Resolutions agreed - to. • On the Motion of Lord TEMPLE, the House went into a Committee on the Leather 2-1.6 t : • he proposed that so much of it as related to the I,legrating of Oak Bark should be repealed. This eras agreed The House resumed, and leayp was given to bring in a Bill tbr the above purpose.-,-Adjourned.. PRICE ()V STOCKS THIS DAY A r TWELVE o'cr,oq4. coPSqls 60k a I Red. Atill. $9. LONDON, 1!4 ED:` , /jI;SDAI, DEOEMBER al, 1806. of Commons, respecting the P a p ers w hi c h h are been A conversation teok place lAA night in the H6143: - .: laid before Parliament relative to the late Negotia tion. The Answers given by' Lord liewrcic to the different Questions proposed by Mr. PERCIVAL were .sosati.sfaelory, that that Gentleman did not think prepeeto submit auy Motion to the House, except 'uport 'one point. viz. for the: prOduatiOn of the whole of the Letter marked No. 3, from M. TAU.' LEYRAND to Mr. Fox, dated March 5, an Extra} of it only having been given in the Papers laid before Parliament. Lord Howity., in reply, stated, that every part of that Letter which had any reference to the Negotiation was already before the-House ; the remainder had no connexion whatever with that subject, and therefore it Ivas not deemed necessary to publish it. Mr. PERCIVAL, upon this- declaration, withdrew his ,MotiOn: In answer to one of the questions proposed by Mr. PERCIFAL ) viz, whether any :Communication had passed between His Ma jesty's Ministers and Lord YARNIOUTIrj* before that Noble Lord left Paris. the first time, Lord YAR MOUTH stated, that no communiPation had taken place, and added; that the reason why M. TALLEY^ RAND had seleded Idm to be the bearer of the com munication from the French to the British .Govern merit, was, that in the previous ail - respondence which had passed bet Ween Mr. Fox and M. TAP. LtvrtAzrn,-the former Gentleman had strongly so licited the liberation, of his Lordship. It was pro bable, theretbre, 'that M. TALLETRAXD conceived him to be in Mr. Fox's confidence. Ot( Readers will find, in our subsequent Co lumns,.a very interesting account of the Revolution -MIMI- has taken pl ace . in St. Domin go , an d o f the , ;;Death of DES4'AI,DIES, The Proclamation of Gen. c.:l-11t;ST9.PHE, the Successor of DESSALINES, respe6l - the Con - Amerce between 'St. Domingo and Neu- Aral Nations, is worthy of the attotion of our Com mercial Readers. • • A Gentleman who was made ,prisoner on board a Quebec Slip, •and carried into France; is arrived io London from Mot . laix, from whence he made his ..escape. He affirms, that prior to 'his coming, away, ..liesead.the French Papers tet the inclusive, and :.1..:pc0 that date they had not annouhced any engage :•thezw-,hetween the Russian s an d F renc h ; but they meta but the probability of a great battle soon taking place, , the armiess~ being so situated with respeet to : each other as to render an anion unavoidable.: The letters from Altona mention, thit an exten sive and alarming dysentery, the consequence of forced marches, bad and scanty provisions., and con stant exposure to. almost continual rains, prevails among the French troops in Poland'. it is computed that aiifth (some Recounts say one-fourth} of the nutty has been attacked in this way, and that tile h6spitals at Reilin, Custrin, Stettin, and other places, are scarcely 4ut*ient to contain the vast numbers of sick. Our Squadron off Rochefoit has suffered from the late dreadful gales ; the Dragon was nearly log ; a providential current of wind caught her courses when she was within five minutes sail of the rocks; the - FO udroyant halal! her head knees loosened, and the Kent ,ako suft:ered the severity of the gale. The kfitisbro', LUNDY, frOm 'Aieviss., is arrived .at Liverpool:' she sailed from Worthia o n the igth of ~ ,Novemher, with a Fleet under convoy , of His Ma, jesty's Ships A10;44 and 4,a..s:eir i zize, and parted from them on the incl. • On the 29 . 6. itist. died . at Goodwood, in, Sussex,. his Grace CgARLES Duke of RICHMOND and LEN NOX, K. q. &c. sm. &c. His, Grace is succeeded in his titles and estate by his nephew tiieuteuant,. General 61,1AL4 LENNOX, Lord CALEDON arrived in town yesterday, to be present at the next examination of his butler. Mrs. BlLLiNzuwo,w,. it is said, has determined tct enter into nonmusical engagenients for the present Reason, having realized a •tortupe which pices, her libbve the necessity of 'patronae and the caprice of 41GRICUL7'URA &c, MONTH;Y 4.grokta• FOR PECEMBER. THE Continuance, of unseasonable rains through the month has proved unfavourable not only to, the, plants of Wheat, but to the general systen - ) of agri cultural pursutts. The.lands set apart for Beans and Pease can be raised but on few dry soils ; ano the winter follows, that were well water-furrowed for Lent-corn, are- in a wetter state than almost eve r w i ts remembered , while those laid- up in a. hus band-like manner cannot be sown till a late season, and then will be found to work badly for the seed, In the lower parts of Lincolnshire, and the adjacent fens ' a great porti o n o f t h e i r Spr i ng Corn Lands is i n:rcler water. The Turnips and Rape in most dis- Ire running for bloom, which, it is feared, will 1 4, / .t that kind of seed, scarce in the Spring. Winter ''nrares and Rye are every where free in groiwth, and the Marsh, and other Meadow Lands, stuff abound in grass.--Clover Seed does not generally rise well, so that unless considerable imports can be managed from Holland, the price of this article may be ex / peeled to advance.--The Hoy markets continue to be - freely supplied at last mouth's prices. Smiths field never had a more numerous show of ordinary Beasts, or a more scanty supply of good Oxen, than on the two Christmas markets. Even the prime Beef was bought reasonably on account of the bad. keeping weather,; and the inferior sorts were sold so low as hardly to make stock to the Grazier.-- Thers,were Helier remembered more good Sheep in '-the`+cis, a full half of which were driven off tin. ! sold ; the cutting thitchers, notwithstanding, contrive t,iaAA.vp up their exorbitant prices. Pig Pork, House iLmnb, _and Veal, though plentiful, are dearer.— rL-.64 Stock continues advancing, from the open.iess or the weather; but little variation either in Hops o. -Woo4 since We lag Month's Report. H E SUN. SOLV4: cau“ DICERS TALSVM A',7I3T.AT ---