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PARLIA i EN'r. 1-lOITSF OF LOiIDS, TRuitso,VY, JUTAr 3. Lio , ' Col hester WAS introduced by Lord Dyne-. VOr and Lo el Redesdale. His p , itent of rrea , ion having been read at the Table, his Lordship took the oiths and his seat. The Exchequer Bills Bill, the Irish Treasury Bills Bill, the Corn importation Bid, and rather Bilk, were read a second time. The Innkeepers' !tares Bill, the Paper Drawl)ark Bill, and other Bi:Is, passed t,hron ;: h Committees, and were reported is i:hour stinenduleut. On the inn ion of the Bid of verpool, an Address was Ordered to tl.e Prince flegent; praying the communication of certain Accounts respecting the Z..iilver Coinage. Earl (IttosvENoa piesented a Petition front cer tain Inhabitant Householders of the Parish of .tt. Luke, Chelsea, praying for Economy and Re form. His Lordship stated, that the Petitioners had presented a requisition for a ii:eeting to the Churchwardens, who having refused to call it, they were compelled to call a meeting under the provisions of the Seditious'Meetings Act. They pt(irsed to-hold the Meeting at a tavern in the parish, but the keeper of the tavern was threaten ed if he suffered the Meeting to be held there, and under the influence of intimidation refused. They were consequently obliged to hold the meet ing in the open air. To throw obstructions in this manner in the way of petitioninp, was, he contended, calctilated to excite much more dis affection roan %vas urged as a plea for the mea sures of severity lately proposed by Ministers. Ilis Lordshiv presented the Petition, which was lead, and ordered to lie upon the table. Oat the motion of the Lad of Limericii,- the Coal and Cohn Bill was ordered to be read a se cond to-morrow. - LATE CONSPIBATORS AT THE OLD BA/LEY. Lord Mots rroa - r ros.e to ask a question of the Nnhle Secretary of Stare, respecting three men of the name!: nt Brock, Pelham, and Power, who had conspired to seduce three nntottunate Irish men into th e commission of a capital 'offence, in counterfeiting the coin, but who had themselves idtooately been capitally convicted of this offence, and sentenced to death. It had been reported that these men had had the Royal clemency ex tended to them, that they had received a free par don, am! been set at liberty. He wished to know, if this were the case, whether this extension of mercy arose front any doubts as to the cor rectness of the evidence, from any favourable circumstances that had since come to light, or from any doubts as to the legality of the conviction ? He was the more desirous to have an answer upon this subject, the crime of which these men had been convicted being of the most atrocious nature that it Was possible to con ceive, and considerable agitation having arisen in the public mind in consequence of the report of tack having been . pardurta. Should their escape _have been owing to any doulits of the Judges as to the legality of their convic ion, be trusted that some Legislative pio , iSions would be enacted, in order that so atrocious a crime might in future re ceive the punishment it so jnstly merited. lie field no intention in the case alluded to of imputing any blame, his object merely being that some sit tisfactoty answer should be given upon a stub ject in which ths' public felt so deep au interest, Lord Viscount Stnstotrrit was satisfied that the motives cif the Noble Lord in asking the question stern highly laudable. The Noble Lord was mis taken in supposing that Brock, Pelham, and Power lid been patdoned. The fact was, that they ivere still under sentence of death in ISL..tvgate.— Tliair cases had been reported to the Prince Re gent in Council when, from circumstances, the execution of their sentences had been respired.— Ile was not at liberty to state the reasons for th e respite ; the could merely say, that they referred to the last supposition of , the Noble Lord. lie perfectly..agreed with the Noble Lord, Ow :it the existing laws tvere not suffiztent to meet a case like that of which these men had been convicted, that provisions ought to be introduced to extend to such eases in tutnre. The fact, he repeated, wai, with regard to these men, that they 'remain ed under sentence of death, but that the execu tion of the sentence' had been respired. OFFICES ABOLITION, &c. BILLS.—COMPENSATION BILL. The Earl •of LIVERPOOL having moved the third reading of one of the Office Abolition Bills, The Marquis of LAsisnowNs was desirous of stating shortly the grounds on which he gave a qualified support to these Bills. He agreed in the propriety of abolishing those offices, which, un connected With the actual business of the state, or the splendour of the Monarchy, had ceased to have any duties to perform, and had become useless ; but these offices having become the means, in the bands of the Crown, of rewarding public services, be also agreed that some fund ought to be created in lieu of them, to enable the Crown properly to vard such services. What he objected to was, that t'wo words in the former Bills upon this sub ject were left out, which made a most mateyial difference with regard to the interests of persons now ho. :iog offices which were to he abolished. in the former Bills, after existing interests, the words " legally vested" were inserted, which in the present Bills were lett out. Thus Parliament were now, for the first time, to declare, that per- sans now holding offices, although they had no vested interest in them, and notwithstanding these offices were declared to be useless, should receive all the emoluments which they had hitherto de tived from theie useless offices. it was true, that t his only appli'ed to one or two offices ; but the principle was still the same, and, in his opinion, objectioahle. He shciuld - therefore move an Amendincirt, to insert, after the words existing interests. the words '' legally vested." The Rid ot LIVERPOOL observed, that there was noPlfice in England to which . the objection . th'e itobl Marqui3 applicd=there was only tille lii SCotland ; but there were 7.-,orne in Ireland, Th ere 'va! n't Titstion iti the case its to the com petency of Parliament ; hut there might, in some CASeB, be grotnnis , of expediency, taking offices out of n general railer as, for instance, an office given .to ` tire ivith. the understanding that he was to enjoy it for a certain time; and the principle ' . , set up by ille7:4olik. that was no precedent with regard to the consideration of the interests of 'persons holding offices -.other thalcieVt't .ere detfothivated vested intetestS,was errontis*US, 'as, In Mr.. Bin ke's Bill, compensation glYe'b to pe'rsoni 'holding offices who had no vestett interest._ The Eqi I of 'LAUDERDALE contended that • the argument of the Noble Earl (Liverpool) amounted to nothing whateVer against the principle set up by his Noble Friend, nor could there be any rea son, except a corrupt One, that persons holding offices during' ideasnre should still retain offices which were declared to We useless. With regard to these !measures themselves, he considered them its any thing; but ',leisure's of ecouonty. The amount of the income of the 'laces proposed to be tabu. listed was 57,0001. per annum, whilst the amount of the pensions tinder the tompeusaiion Bill at the end of twelve years would be 42,0001. per annum. But would any one believe, that at the end of twelve years there would be dif ferente of 15,0001. per annum remaining to be paid to the holders of these offices ? On the contrary, there was every probability that twice that sum would be then remaining to be P‘id to the holders of such offices, in addition to the amount of pensions ; and thus, instead of a gain; there would be a positive loss to the public by the present measures. The Marquis of LANspowlste observed,that many of the Clerks in the Public Departments had been lately dismissed, very properly with a view to economy, but without any compensation, and would •it be considered justice that these men, without means, should be dismissed without com peosation, whilst richer mil should Continue to derive emoluments froM offices declared to be useless ? The-Earl of Lzvermooe said this did not at all apply, as in all cases of dismissal of the Clerks, where they were on the establishment, they had a compensation. The Bill having been read a third time, The Lord) CHANCELLOR put the Amendment, previously observing, that, if adopted, it would make no difference in the legal meaning of the The Earl Of LAUDERDALE wishing for an ex planation upon this point, The LORD CHANCELLOR observed, that offices held during pleasure were, outil that pleasure was withdrawn, legally vested in the individuals holding tliem. After• Some further conversation, the Amend ment utoved by the Marquis of Lansdowne was ne gatived, and the several Abolition and Regulation Bills were passed. On the third reading of the Compensation Bill, , The Alarquis of LANSDQWNE wished for some further explanation as to the pension -8, whether if a person was eotit led to a pension under this Bill, and having previously a pension, the latter would not merge in the consolidated fund, and therehy'leave a power to the Crown to grant a new pension on the Pension List, and thus an additional hinden be thrown npon the Public ? The Karl of Livearooe said, the previous pen sion would, in that case, merge iu the Consoli dated Flid, but he was not exactly a ware w he t her the words of the Bill were sufficiently explicit to prevent the granting of a new pension. If they " were tint, he w-oold take care that wsnols to that effect should be inserted in another Bill. The Marquis of LANSDOwNR expressed himself satisfied, and the Bill was read a third time and passed. TH A T ICA 1, REGISTE R. Perbemed Liss! Nigh!. Covrn-GmtnEs.--The Apostate: Principal Performers, Mc. I'Qting- and Miss d'Scill; After which, The Gentle - She i ;.; , • New THEATRE ROYAL, ViNOtISHOPEKA-HOUSR.—Artgxerxell Arbaces, Mr. Horn; Mandane, Miss M. H. Buggins. elt t: which, My Uncle, and Don Juam. JI:11 LS. ARIITVEII-1 Flanders, 1 11.utylio, '2 Waterton!. Der—l not- Liti, i !'ranee, 7 Ilan.lswgli, I Guernsey and Jttsey. PRICE 0,1. - sTocKs 1111!i PAY AT TW'i.I.VE oveloCE. 3 per Cent. Minh L. nu.. 1J 13-16ths 20 3 1 , ,.7r Cell , . 4, shut India Bonds,— 101 s. 103 s. pr. , 1 per Celt!: qZ - 1 9f; Exch. Os. 114. pr. 5 per Cent. Navy Ann... shut Gills. fin Account, HIGH IVATER xr LONDON BRIDGE "10-11101tROW. Nloraing, Q 2 minutes after 6. I Evening, 47 minutes alter ti. CLERGY RESIDENCE BILL. The Archbishop of CANTERBURY moved thartheir Lord ships should resolve themselves into aCommittee on the Cler gy Residence Bill. Earl HAttItOWBY conceived that the Bill was not calm, latest to enforce, with sutlicient strictness, the residence of the Clergy, in consequence of the number of exemptions which it contained, and expressed his intention to move se veral amendments in the Coubuittee fur the purpose of ren dering the measure more operative. The Archb,shop of CANTERBURY maintained that. him self and the Right. Rev. Prelates around him were not less disposed than their predecessors to take all. possible steps for insuring the residence of the Parochial Clergy. It was an ob ject to a hich they were gradually approximating,. 'the LORD CHANCELIAM. defended the hilts which had been brought in on this subject several ' , cars ago, from some imputations which he conceived had been cast on them, and expressed his regret. that. the present measure had been sent to their Lordships at so late a period of the Session, that, in consequence of the other important duties which pressed upon hint, it would be utterly impossible for him to devote that at tention to the clauses of the Bill befote their Lordships, which he should otherwise wish to do. The House then resolved itself into the Committee, in which the various clauses of the Bill underwent considerable discussion. The Report was ordered to be received te-morruw.—Ad jourued. [For the Proceedings in the House of Commons, we refer our headers to the Last Page.] BAST INDIA HOUSE. A Special General Court of Proprietors of East India Stock was yesterday held, at the Company's House, in Leadeuhall-street, for the purpose of taking into consideration the Rettort of the Com mittee of Bye-Laws, which way laid before the last General Court by Mr. Howorth. The minutes of the preceding Court having been read, a long and desultory' discusSion took place on the various &Iterations proposed in the bye-laws by the Committee. They were ultimate ly agreed to, certain verbal. amendmems having been previously adopted and a Court ‘yas ap pointed! to be held on Wednesday nest, for the purpose of confirming the alterations. Mr. D. KINNAILin requested to know, whether it was in the power of the Court of Directors, t amj if s o , wh et h er it was their imention, to reduce the interest on their India Bonds ? The CHAIRMAN answered, that it certainly was in the discretion of the executive body, and they would, when a proper opportunity occurred, pro vide for the reduction of the, interest, Tl►e Court then sdiournell. • . t • CITY BUSlNESS.—Yesterday the. LORD AIAYOR held a Court of Common Council, at Gnildhall, which was numerously attended. ~Mr. Remem. brancer presented the Act of .Parliament, passed this Session, fur granting an equivalent ,tor the di m i n ution of the Profits of the Oth" of Guager of the City of London, and incieasing the Pay ments to, be• made by Brokers.—The nqtt Court was RITA/IWO ,for the Election of a Governor of the Irish society, in the root ; of Harvey Christian Combe; who bas resigned his seat a$ Aideilnam. THE SUN. BOLEN QUIS DICERE r.usum AunEAT LONDON, FRID4Y, JULY 4, 1817. THE PUNDS.-This morning Consols opened at 781, and immediately rose to 79 ; they receded . to 781, and an immense quantity of business was . done in the early part of the morning ; the' Monied Men still continue firm in opinion that the Consols will be at 80, although much re-action is expected itt the interval. The SeCondary Exchequer Bills will be issued next week ; and as the Dividend will be paid to the Public, no doubt the principal part of them will he devoted to the purchase of Stork, an additional reason for the probability of a further advance in the Funds. 'lt is reported, that when the four - per Cents, have risen to 100, (they arc now 96) that Ministers intend to pro pose paying off the five per Cents. ; Consols, at 12 O'clock, 7811. At a late hour this day, we received the Paris Papers of Monday and Tuesday last, The fol lowing are extracts : " PARIS., JULY 1.-By a Royal Ordonnance it is acknowledged that the Count de Croix neither sat, nor attempted to sit, in the soi-disant Cham ber of Peers, summoned by Napoleon Boonauartc, and therefore the Ordoonance of the 2-1,11 July, 1815, so far as concerns the Count de Croix, is revoked. " The Portuguese Squadron having arrived at Leghorn, the etineess Royal of Portugal is to embark immediately for the Brazils, without go ing to Lisbon. " A representation has been made by the Mi nisters of the Hanseatic Towns to the Diet of Frankfort, respecting the attacks upon their corn- tierce by Barbary Pirates in the North Seas, in. conseq►►ence of which the Diet has appointed a Committee of five, to consider of the best tneani of protecting the commertte of Germany. " From Commercy we learn, that a daring robbery wits committed on the 25-th ult, by a ban ditti, near la Carriere, upon two Englishmen, Lord Clanwilliam and Captain Gordon, who were travelling post from Vienna to London, on Diplo matic business. They were robbed of all their' money, wearing apparel, arms, jewels, and papers. Great exertions are making to trace the robbers. " The King and Royal Family return to Paris On Saturday next. The King of Prussia is expected at Torplitz this day,. Es n d from thence, after ten days sojourn, to proceed to Carlsbad.. " The Queen Dowager of Wurtemberg is at the Baths of Deinach. " The price of Grain continues to fall. " The numerous families of.t he Duchy of Baden, who, at the instigation c>f certain individuals, had quitted their country to p‘roceed to the United States, have almost all re'urned to their homes. " The Direction of Subsistence is definitively organized. " The Prince of Solms, from London, arrived at Brussels on the 24th ult. " The King of Prussia is expected to review the Prussian Army of Occupation in France about the 15. t- of August. " FIVE PER CENTS'. "Monday. 64f. 95c." Boston Papers to the 11t1h June arrived this morning : Accounts from Curagon state, that the Caraccas Government have prohibited the exportation of Cocoa, except in Spanish vessels. In the month of March last there were 920 Slaves imported into the Havanna!), and in the coarse of that month 5, brigs and 5 .schooners sailed for the toast of Africa in the same trade. " It is with ranch gratification' (says a Bahl .m.ore Paper) that we are enabled to state, upon the higlult authority; that our relations with . . Foreign Po ve t s , n'el-cr tin a niore favourable and amicable foutiog. 'the sir4.uge,t manifestations rif Itieutll!liri; itnc't expressions uf 4 sincere tlesiii iii ,'reciproel Cutorierti , Ll nitd; other aliaira, siilisiat;tial reason to Le lieve, have beeti receisf . ecl 1)7 through the medium of Ptt , :etionarieh; font the Emperor of ItUhi.-n, the Regeut of Eng land, the Kitig of Frame; 4ntl otiyr PO.‘ers Of Europe: we shall not be sir ri3ett skottlil we. soon experience such a to,:tlifit.etiori in Britist4 dicts, as to Hilow us a free mici niri.“itiietett pat.- ticipation in her We. , ,t Luria Trade." The subject of discu4,ion last night in the house of Commons was a Motion, brought forward by Mr. M. A. 'JAY LOR, respecting the lamentable state of distress which prevails at Newfoundland, The Motion does honour to the feelings of the' benevolent Member, who proposed that a bounty of 2s. per quintal should he granted on the Fish exported for one year. The CNANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER opposed the Motion, on the ground of the impolicy of granting bounties, and it was negatived without a division; but the Honourable Gentleman signified that proper attention should' be paid to the subject, expressing his hopes that the same humanity which relieved the sufferers bY the fire at Sc. John's would equally operate in favour of the unfortunate inLvabitants of New , toundland. The Financial Resolutions were postponed on account of the intli , position of Mr. TIERNEY, of whose continued illness the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER spoke in a warmer highly honourable to his feelings, and manifested a libesality sentiment far aloof from all the narrow consider.• ations of politics and party. -- The Middlesex Petition has somewhat fancifitiry been stiled " Argote," witieit we suppose Ineaol Its " argwteness" however, as the protection of the law is again retr►iered legal, matters little; though, for curiosity's sake, we cannot help noticing a few of its oddities.-- These humble petitioners apprise the House; that they feel the very act of petititi,►.ring a grievance and a degradation :"a trAerabl e proof of the temper with which they- submit to the es4ablished ►rms and ordinances of the law %Slat the " }ight inherent and un►alienable" they do DM condescend to set forth ; and indeed', not being accustomed to consider any right so inherent that the Law cannot remove is, or s(-) unalienable that the Law cannot st•rspcnit are rather anxious for the thfinitiou. Whif ► e the Habeas Corpus con►i►-ryes by the Law, it is as re gular a right as they may chase to thi't►k it :--but as the Law alorle rendered it inherent i the penpi. e. , scathe Law is always equal to the power of its arena- argumentative. Sion. It is time to have dote with the jargon of natural rights; all which are surrendered by enter- ing into a state of Society, and cationly be re stoned by re-entering into the state of nature. The English Constitution is compounded of, and governed by, three bodies ; all of which must eon - - cur for the eutt - cttnent, or the abolition, oy th e stis pension, of a law :—but the law, so ena c t e d, be comes a part of that Constitution ; told the taw, so abolished, or so suspended, cease:-,eithcr per manently or temporarily, to be one of its parts.. Nothing unconstitutional Call be done by the Le gislature; because the Legislature is the Constit3. Iron ;. and they who seek the Constitution in, charter or statute, are either deceivers or deceived.. —But the Constitution knows not of any fourth power. The House of . Commons is the P:ople :- and however the People may contoomicate their wants and wishes to any of the thtee Estates, they cannot object Id the proposition of a Law, on the ground that it affects them without their concurrence.--Still less can they object to the in» ternal proceedi .gs of the House of Com Mons ; which, in its share of Legislation, is not obliged to. act 1.11/t/i1 any pat tieular erklence„ or, indeed, upon any evidetwe at all. if it chases to proceed by a Committee of its own Members, it is not tecptirett to investigate the Report of that Com— mittee; the knowledge wkevcof, kt.s, be:ng a part of itself, is the knowlege of the , . House. Amt though the House cannot legislate in a Committee, it may receive front a C.,mmittce tic causes of the [ legisicion, and act thereupon; since, in its legis lit' isve capacity, the House is nut f orma ll y 04, essentiany bomid to make those causes it subj ect of inquiry. The a bsurdity, and tie mischi e f too, oi . this part of the Petition, rests in the wil., tol confusion of the term Delegation. A Com. mittee is not a delegation of the House, .v here o f -it still remains a part ; and if it were, the subs. f l uent Report of the Committee's opinions an d, reasons would not undelegate its function, Tl it ,, ,. the very enquiry which the Midullescs-men desir, ell, would, upon their own argutueut, be as de. fectiVe and as illegal as the absence of that 41. v i idry, Sir Putur FRANCIS iS, 4 bad Lozirian, 94