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THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD. Emptriat Parlianunt. HOUSE OF LORDS. TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 26. Petitions were presented—from Horsham, by the Duke of Richmond, praying for a bill to regulate the hours of labour in factories; and two others from the town of Derby, respecting the violation of the sabbath ; Lord Dacre, the Marquess of Stafford, and the Earl of Gosford, also, presented petitions pray ing for the abolition of negro slavery; which were ordered to lie on the table. Lord TEYNHAM presented a petition from the parish of St. Michael and St. John, in the city of Dublin, praying for the total abolition of tithes ; and another petition from the same parish, praying, upon various grounds, for the removal of Mr. Stanley from the situation of Chief Secretary for Ireland. Upon the second petition being read, Earl GREY said he apprehended that this was not a subject that could be taken up by the house in the manner sought for by, the petitioners, and that, in fact, the petition was altogether irregular. The LORD CHANCELLOR said, that of course their lordships should be anxious to throw their doors open as wide as possible - for the reception of the petitions of the people, but in the in stance of the present petition, the prayer which it contained was one that their lordships could no more comply with than could the petitioners themselves. It would answer no good purpose, therefore, to receive such a petition, and in truth it would be only a mockery of the subjects' right petition to entertain one with the prayer of which it would be impossible for their lord ships to comply. The petitioners might have called upon their lordships to address the Crown, or to interpose their advice to the Crown, for the removal of the right hon...gentleman, but in its present shape, the petition was altogether irregular. Lord TEYNI4AM said, under such circumstances, he would withdraw the petition for the present from different parts of Mayo, showing that that county was not in a disturbed state, so as to require additional and coercive laws for the preservation of the public peace. The first was from the inhabitaiits of the town of Castlebar ; it prayed,for a repeal of the Union, vote by ballot, and triennial Parlaaments. The Earl of LIMERICK" ‘ said that it was but yesterday that he received a letter from his agent in that very . part of the country from which this petition came, informing him that it was in a very disturbed state. He would appeal to the noble Lord liieutenant of Mayo (the Marquess of Sligo) as to the respecta bility and trust-worthiness of the authority to which he reterred. Lord TEYNHASI presented two similar petitions from Balliva and Aughagower, i n the county of Mayo. Lord Son , EL D presented a petition from Fairford, in Glouces tershire, praying for the'abolition of slavery. Lord AUCKLAND presented a similar petition from a place in Derby. The Bishop of LINCOLN presented a similar petition from the inhabitants of Huntingdon. The Bishop of ROCHESTER presented a petition from Cap tain Brenton, It. N., in favour of the establishment of an in stitution or of institutions for the reception and education .of destitute cliildreii: " TITHES • Lord KING said, that he had to present a p . etition to their lord ships connected with the subject of tithes in this country, and although he had been frequently rebuked by certain members of the right rev. bench for dilating upon this topic , he could not re frain in this instance from caning their lordships' attention to the peculiar hardships of which the petitioners complained. The petition came from a small parish in a remote district of the country, the inhabitants of which amounted to 800, and who subsisted entirely by agriculture and fishing. It appeared from the petition, that there was not a more quiet or peaceable parish in the kingdom, until, in an evil hour, his noble and learned friend upon the woolsack presented the present rector to it. (A laugh.) The petitioners stated, that in the course of the last spring the rector laid claim to a tithe upon herrings caught in the sea, which claim they alleged that there was no custom ex isting in the place to sanction, and it would be impossible to de scribe to their lordships the disturbance which the raising of inch a claim excited in this hitherto tranquil district. It, in truth, prodUced a complete tempest there, and he could only convey to their lordships something like an idea of the subsequent state of the parish, by quoting to them an expression employed in a let ter addressed to him on the subject,—namely, • that the rec tor had made a little Ireland of the parish." A " little Ire: land," he (Lord King) believed it would be made, unless some thing was done to put an end to the agitation which the claim set up by the rector had excited. One of the first effects of his putting forward such a claim was, that the tithe-proctor was burnt in effigy, and that the rector was obliged to fly. He had already stated that the petitioners alleged that no claim for tithes on fish had ever before been set up in that part of the country. He was aware that tithe upon fish had been claimed in some places in Sussex, and the claim proceeded upon the principle that upon everything that had an annual increase the clergy had a right to tithe. Upon the same principle the.per sons who claimed tithe upon fish ' also demanded it upon bricks. In another part of their petition the petitioners stated that they had had no resident rector fur a great number of years. He (Lord King) could himself confirm that statement, for he had lived 40 years in the parish, and he had never known the rector resident there. It would appear, indeed, as if the best qualifica tion for a rector of this place consisted iu being the near rela tive of the mayor, or of some of the aldermen of the borough of Tiverton. The, living to which he was alluding was in the gift of the Great Seal, as he had already, intimated. Now, through the means of the Reform Bill, the Great Seal had of late been emancipated; but, like slaves when suddenly restored to free dom, it did not seem to know how to use it properly. (A laugh.) His noble and learned friend on the woolsack wished to stand well with the church, and with the high church too, and his noble friend had been remarked for his coquetting with the right rev. peers upon that side of the house; but though his noble friend gave them the livings Lit fits disposal, still he would find that he would not be able to get their votes. (A laugh.) soothe them as he would, his noble iriend might be assured that he would never succeed in inducing the right rev. prelates to lend their support to the government to which he belonged. It was a well-known fact in our history, that the prelates 01 the established church had always shown themselves ready tools iu the hands of a Tory government; 'but now that the Tories were expelled from power, and that a liberal government had been established, no such subserviency would be any longer exhibited on the'part of the right rev. prelates. He would beg to remind his noble and learned friend of what the Marquess of Wharton said to William 111., who was observing to him that the Tories were an exceedingly accommodating people, and that he liked them extremely. " I agree with your Majesty," replied the Marquess, "that no people can be more accommo dating than the Tories, but your Majesty must remember that you are not the Kiug of the Tories." So he (Lord King) would tell his noble friend that lie must remember that the government to which he belonged was not a Tory, but a liberal and popular government, and that it would be a vain effort to t‹, Ito ...11,4.erL , 4 tyro hi ,L. AitgAa attisahs; He was sorry to say that, in the piesent instance, tie noble friend had not provided a good shepherd for the flock. The noble lord concluded by presenting the petition, which was from a parish in Somersetshire, the name of, which was not heard in the gallery; and it prayed not only for the removal of the particular grievance of which the petitioners complained, but also for a general amelioration of the tithe system through out the'country. The Duke of CUMBERLAND inquired whether the tithe in question had been exacted ? Lord KING said it had not (hear); but that in consequence of the claim having been raised, the proctor had been burnt in effigy, and the rector had fled from the parish. The LORD CHANNCELLOR said that he had been a little alarmed by his noble friend's statement in the first instance, from which it would appear as if the rev. person alluded to had actually levied this tithe, and had done so in defiance of long existing custom. It would seem, however, that the petitioners only complained a the rev. gentleman's laying claim to this tithe, which they maintained he had no right to do, for it did not appear from their statement that he had taken any steps to enforce the claim in question. But if, as they alleged, there existed no custom there for 'the taking of such tithes, the course which they had to pursue, should the rector endeavour to exact them, was plain and obvious • they had only to resort to due course of law for their protection, instead of appealing to the legislature on the subject,—they had merely to go into the courts of law and show that there existed no custom to autho rize such a claim, and they were' perfectly safe. Lord ELLENBOROUGH reminded the noble and learned lord that' the petition also prayed for a general revision of the tithe system. The Loan CHANCELLOR said that be could well understand that portion of the prayer of the petition; and this he would say, that no person, not even his noble friend who had pre sented the petition, could feel more strongly than he (the Lord Chancellor) did that that part of it was well founded, and no person could be more ready to admit than he was that that part of its prayer should be granted, and that the legislature should set at once about improving the tithe system,—should set about placing that system upon a proper footing both as regarded the persons to whom tithes were due—upon a footing equally bene ficial to the lay as well as the clerical portion of the community. With respect to the rev. gentleman to whom the petition al luded, he (the Lord Chancellor) would say that he had never in the course of his life been accessary to an appointment w which he was More satisfied. He had never known that reit. gentleman—indeed up to the present hour he bad never seen him—but he understood from those who did know him that he Was an exceedingly fit person to receive such an appointment, and that, under the circuinstancei In which he was placed, it would be an object to him to obtain it. He had previously done duty at one of the new churches in a great and populous town, and by the burning of it he was reduced, with his wife and family, literally to a st•ste of destitution. Such was the statement made to him (the -Lord Chancellor) at the time. Even if a sum of money could have been raised for the rebuild ing of the church in question, it could not be rebuilt in less than two. or three years, and all that time this rev. gentleman would have remained without the slightest means of subsistence for himself or his family, the more especially as the whole of his emoluments, when the church was standing, was derived from the pew rents. Such, he repeated, was the statement made to him with regard to this rev. gentleman, by individuals upon whose authority he depended, and who recommended the rev. gentleman to him as a lit individual for the appointment. Though he (the Lord Chancellor) did not happen to know the rev. gentleman himself, he was acquainted with some members of his family, and could assure the house that it was no species of political intercourse, nor anything of a community of poli tical feeling, that had prompted him to confer this appointment upon the individual alluded to. He thought, on the other hand, that differences on such points afforded no reason why he should not give him this appointment, the more especially as he had heard a most unexceptionable account of him. For him (the Lord Chancellor) on occasions of this kind to enter into inquiries, and to try the capacity or incapacity of every clergyman that might be recommended for one of the livings in the gift of the Great Seal,—for the Lord Chancellor to do that, the house would see, and he was sure that his noble friend in his candour would admit, was absolutely and altogether im possible. It was necessary, therefore, for him to refer to cer tain ministers, where he placed confidence, as to the selection of those clergymen to whom such livings should be given, and nothing that he had heard from his noble friend had induced him to alter his opinion that he had made a fit and proper selection in the present instance. That opinion would un doubtedly have been shaken if his noble friend had brought forward some proofs to show that this rev. gentleman had been acting in the manner he described; and if it had been shown that he had been exacting tithes to which he had no right, he (the Lord Chancellor) would only say that he was an ex tremely altered individual from the person that he had sent to fill this living in the county of Somerset. When he sent the rev. gentleman there, he was utterly incapable of exacting tithes that were not his due, he could not only say to the amount of a herrin g , but even to the amount of a sprat. (Hear, and a laugh.) If he fiad since changed, as the noble lord had described, he (the Lord Chancellor) could not possibly account for his meta morphosis, except by supposing that he had fallen into an imi tation of the conduct of' other persons in that part of the coun try. (Hear.) His noble friend was quite mistaken in suppos ing that this appointment was made in consequence of the emancipation of the Great Seal, effected by the Reform Bill. The fact was, that this appointment was made before, the Re form Bill was passed; it was one of the first made by him (the Lord Chancellor) under the Great Seal. His noble friend was still more mistaken in the statement which he made respecting the assistance which he (the Lord Chancellor) had felt it his ' duty to solicit from the right rev. prelates of those dioceses where the livings attached to the Great Seal were situated, with regard to the selection of the rev. individuals to fill them. He utterly denied that, in doing so, be had in any manner been in fluenced by any motives of the kind attributed to him by his noble friend, and he had the best possible grounds, and the best possible evidence, to prove that such was not the case. He utterly denied that he had ever done so with a view to conciliate the political feelings of those right rev. prelates, or to win them over to support those political opinions with regard to which he and his noble friend in a great degree concurred, though in some respects they materially differed. He would most un equivocally. deny that any such idea had ever entered into his head, and, indeed, if it had, he should have afforded just grounds for his noble friend's laughter on the present occasion, and he should no doubt be fated to experience that disappointment which his noble friend, assuming that he had such objects in view, had foretold would await him. He (the Lord Chancel lor) had stated at the time that the number of exceedingly small livings which were at the disposal of the Great Seal, tendered it absolutely impossible for the Lord Chancellor, without trust ing to the recommendations of others, to discharge well and faithfully that branch of the duties intrusted to him; for though with regard to livings of £2OO, and 1:300, and £lOO a-year, it was easy for the chancellor to find fit and proper persons to fill them, and to satisfy himself as to their qualifications and their merits, it was not so as regarded livings of a different descrip tion—of £3O, £4O, and £6o'a-year, of which kind were many of those belon,vng . to the Great Seal. Instead of such livings be ing sought tor, it would be necessary for him, unless he had the means of applying to and relying upon the recommendations of others; to go about the country to seek for proper persons to put into them. It would, he need scarcely add, be impossible for a lord chancellor, with the many other duties he had to perform, to do that. Therefore, when he communicated upon this subject with a most rev. prelate, he stated to him that it might appear that it was a shrinking from a duty, the resonsibility of which still attached to him, that he (the Lord Chancellor) entered into such au arrangement, though, in fact, it was proposed by him in order to enable him to discharge that duty in a faithful and . efficient manner. It was solely upon such grounds that he had made the arrangement in question, and not with any political' views; or with 'any motive of conferring an obligation on those right rev. prelates, who rather obliged him than required as sistauee. His noble friend had somewhat irregularly intro duced this subject, but he (the Lord Chancellor) . was glad that he had done so, as it had given him an opportunity of explain ing the real nature of a communication that had been hitherto very generally, and, he must add, very greatly misunderstood. (Hear.) The noble and learned lord concluded by repeating . his opinion as to the fitness of the rev. individual for the appoint ment to the parish from which the present petition emanated. Lord KING said that he was ready to give his noble and learned friend credit for great discernment,—for great discern ment in human nature, but not for great discernment in cler ical nature. (A laugh.) He would do his noble friend the Justice to say that the persons he had appointed to the litings in his gift had not been so promoted by him on account of a community of political feeling, for he believed that in almost every instance they were opposed to his noble friend in politics. His noble friend had, he was sure not in a bad spirit, alluded to him (Lord King) and to his conduct as a tithe-owner in Somer setshire. Now, he. would only say, ,that he had never exacted that to which he was not fairly entitled. Lord WYNFORD said that the clergy of the church of Eng land. so far from exacting :what. was not their. due, scarcely to - el - the one-half of that to which they were lawfully entitled. He was satisfied if tithes were to 'continue in existence, and to be transferred to any other body than that by which. they were now received, that the burden would be double the pre sent in which the chilae ra o c b t j e e rs c objected i t o o d ti iii~luals were attacked rioc d i s C iv u i s t s h io o n ia s t affordingchargesb r t o h u e gh p t a p • arties against assailed them, morethe hue a s w c -el s - eo the f clergymen, whose. characte rs were no t only valu i able to' theia'- selves, but to the country. Lord K ING, on preventing a petition _thc-narish or Okay_ stock, Cumberland, on the subjectot tithes, observed that lie had presented a similar petition'from the same place last:3 , as, and neither that nor the present petition said -much fur the me.; deration of the clergy, of which the noble and - learned loid peared to think so highly. The petitioners complained of having been exposed to a harassin g ' system of•legal persechtion for a period of 32 years; they stated' they had been dragged by the incumbent into the courts of Westminsierzhall, and the ecclesiastical courts of York and Carlisle, for 'unaccustomed' tithes. .In 1816 a suit in Chancery was instituted against the petitioners, who set up a modus, which was decided to be suf ficiently made out• by Sir John Leach LOrd'Eldon, and Lord Lyndhurst, 'Not satisfied with these decisions, the rector had since brought the matter twice to' trial; 'and'had made appli cation for a third trial. The petitioners coniplained of these vexatious proceedings, and prayed for analtetanon of the tithe system. Lord ELLENBOROUGH said it was not fair in the noble lord to present petitions aspersing the cha;ractersof cletgymen without giving any intimation of htis intention, so as to enable the par ties interested tof einpower some noble lord to defend them. The Bishop of C ARLISLE (we believe) declared that a snore exemplary clergyman did not exist than the individual referred to in the petition. •••• Lord KING knew nothing about the clergyman' in question personally, but regretted that the same opinion' Vas not enter tained of him by his parishioners as by his diocesan. The noble lord presented - a petition from the palish of Ash urst, in the county of Kent, praying, whatever'irieasure of re lief should be granted to Ireland with respect to tithes, that the same might be extended to England. The petitibifeis appeared to think that the people of this country, who hadliehaved well, ought not to be treated worse in this respectllidn those who had behaved ill in Ireland. It appeared that the tithe system, - in so far as tithes were demanded in kind, operated to prevent the cultivation of hops. Lord TEYNHAM supported the petition. • • The Marquess CAMDEN said a few words in defence of. the clergy. SI.4,VE TRADE. Lord, E'LLENnonoi:Glf inquired of Earl Grey . whether, (as we understood) Government had sent out instructions to our cruis ers on the'coast of Africa with respect to the right of search, under the treaty, entered intoletween France and England, for the suppression of the slave trade ? Earl GREY replied, that a supplementary convention, which was drawn up on the subject, had not yet been ratified, but was daily expected to be so; and when that negotiation should be completed the, instructions would be issued. STATE OF THE WEST INDIES. Lord COLVILLE rose, with considerable reluctance, to post pone his motion for the reappointment of the select committee on the state of the West India colonies. He thought it fair to state the real cause of this postponement. He had been yesterday . informed by that respectable body, the committee representing the West India interest, that the noble Secretary for the Colonies had requested an interview with them, for the purpose of submitting to their consideration the plan proposed to be adopted by the government, and those gentlemen having no wish whatever to embarrass the government (any more than himself,) had most readily consented to the postponement of the motion for the present. For his own part, having no object in view but to assist the colonists in eliciting the truth and obtain ing justice, he had consented to propose this postponement. There did not exist an individual who was less connected with or interested in West Indian property than himself, and he had undertaken the task of moving for the reappointment of the committee at the request of the body alluded to, solely because he thought their object to be a fair investigation. He was sorry that the reasons which called for this postponement pre vented him from fixing another day for bringing forward the motion, it being impossible to name a day till an opportunity was afforded for taking the plan of government into considera tion. He hoped that the cause of the colonies might not suffer from this postponement, and pledged himself at the earliest possible moment to fix a day for bringing the subject forward again.—Order discharged. TRIAL OF OFFENCES (IRELAND) BILL. The . house having resolved itself into a committee on the Trial of Offences (Ireland)` Bili t Lord "WYNFORD proposed, with a view always to have the assent of two judges to changes of the venue, to in,sert after the words " it shall and' may be lawful for His Majesty's Court of King's Bench in Ireland," these words—" or, in vacation, for two judges of the Courts of King's Bench, Common Pleas, or Exchequer," &c. - The - Lotto CHANCELLOR concurred in the propriety of the amendment, which was agreed to. The house resumed, and the report was ordered to be.received to-morrow.—Adjourned. HOUSE 01 1 COIWIVIONS. TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 26. RAILWAYS. The Birmingham. and London Railway bill was read a se. cond time and committed. Mr. WILSON PATTEN brought in the Warrington. and Bir mingham Railway bill which was read'a first time. Mr. O'CONNELL postponed his motions for bills to amend "an act to amend the representation of the people of Ireland." - Lord ALTHORP postponed his motion for leave to bring, in a bill for the commutation of Tithes till the 12th of March. Mr. PORTMAN, obtaineu leave to bring in_ a bill to consoli date and amend the high Way laws. On the motion of Mr. E. RUTHVEN a return was.ordered of the state of the Curragh of Kildare, and of the Phoenix-park, adjoining the city of Dublin. On the motion of Mr. P. Tuomsox a new writ was ordered for the Borough of Dover, in the room of Mr. P. Thomson, who . takes his seat ag representative of the Borough of Man chester. CotoriEt. PERCEVAL; moved as an amendment, in the re turn ordered on the 14th instant, with reference to the trial for offences in Ireland, that the Roman. Catholic criminals should be distinguished from the Protestants, which gave rise to some observations from Mr. Rice, Mr. Pease,' Sill J. Tyrel, Mr. Stanley, and Mr. O'Connell, when the hon. and gallant mem ber withdrew his motion. Mr- HOME, moved for some returns, of which he had given notice, relative to the Colonelcies - of regimenti, which were ordered, together with several other returns connected with the army and navy.. The same hon. member presented a peti tion signed by 5,330 inhabitants 'of the Metropolis, praying that the House would mitigate the severity of the criminal code, and gave notice that he would on the 7th March next, call the attention of the House to the report of the committee of last session, respecting the expediency of building a new and more commodious House of Commons. Petitions were presented from the following places, by Mr. SPRING RICE from the town of Cambridge against the house and window tax ;. Mr. Walter from the inhabitants of Nottingham against tithes ; Mr. Phillips from Pembroke for, the abolition of negro slavery ; Colonel rorrens from the inha bitants of Bolton against the overworking of children in fac tories; Colonel L. Hay from the borough of Inverary against the present malt duties; Mr. Johnson from several places in. Scotland against the violation of the Sabbath and the present system of church patronage in that country; Mr. Tooke from. tfie incorporated Common Law Society praying, that more con venient accommodation should be provided for the judges in the discharge of that part of their duty which was performed in chambers. The honourable gentleman also gave notice, that on the 10th May he should move for leave to - bring in a bill to amend so much of the reform bill as related to the registration of voters for counties. Mr. GUEST moved for the following returns :—" The quan tity of foreign iron imported, in the years 1831 and 1832, and of the British and foreign iron•exported from this to other eoun trieK during the same period ;—also for the quantity and qua lity of the copper sheeting in his Majesty's dock yard; with an account, stating the sums paid in salaries and wages to the officers and labourers employed in preparing and rolling cop per, and also the amount paid to superannuated officers of the several dock yards, and for the quantity and quality of the stock of iron in thei dock yards in the years 1831 and 1832, which were ordered. BIRMINGHAM PETITION. Mr. T. ATTWOOD presented a petition from the council of the BirMingham National Political Union; complaining of the un due and improper interference of the military on the occasions of the-elections of members to serve in the united Parliament, and calling upon the house to declare all elections,. where such interference had taken place, to he null and vod. He con curred in the . prayer of the petition, haxing_been himself.a witness; during the late elections, of many gross acts of vio lence by the military. He had seen bodies of infantry with loaded musketi-enter a town, and troops of cavalry, with swords drawn, marched up in front of the hustings while the poll was procee.ding; add all - this had been done though no breach of the peace had taken place. He had known an innocent man, endeavouring to escape from the assembled crowds, bayonetted in the back, and other electors cut down by the sabres of the dragoons, on going to and returning from the exercise of their franchise. He trusted and confidently hoped that it would be the *ill and disposition of, the house to afford protection to electors on such occasions, and should the house refuse, which he could not anticipate, or neglect, Which-he could not believe, to do so, he also hoped that the people of England would them selves take care to protect their own rights and privileges; that they Wolllll also Lea. la. trial, A. 408 tt&hur,--., -pc -4-a...vcd - the right,to bear arms in their own defence. (Hear, and cries of "Oh,_ oh.") He trusted that the people (should the house refuse to interfere) would go to the exercise of their franchise with loaded pistols in their pockets, ("Ob ; oh,") to protect themSelveS when proceeding to elect their representatives. (Hear.) They had a right to, do so should the house neglect its duty in withholding from electors its protection, and: the people in such a case might go prepared with loaded rifles to protec,t themselves and defend their rights and liberties. (Hear, and cries of "Oh, oh.") . Mr. SPRING RICE concurred with the hon_ member for Bir mingham in the hope that the people of England would never forget the rights and liberties which . they enjoyed, but he. trusted that they'would also never be unmindful of their social.. dutieg: (Hear.) He could not, however; think that the hon, member for Birmingham was contributing to the protection of those rights by Om. suggestions :he .had thrown out on the pre sent occasion;—namely, that either the house might be neglect ful of its 'duties to the people, or that in such a case the people were to be justified in the use of arms. With all respect for the hon. gentleman, he (Mr. Rice) could not but think such ,a suggestion was ill calculated to attain any desirable object. (Hear.) He conceived that the hon. gentleman had fallen into a mistake, arising from a misapprehension of both 'the facts, and the law affecting i such a case as that to which h e had re ferred.; It might be . inferred from what had been stated by the hon. gentleman; that if any improper interference by the mili tary took place the parties feeling themselves aggrieved were without their remedy ; but he hoped that the people knew well, as must the 'hon. gentleman himself, that in any case of inter ference with the freedom of election it was open to them to make such Interference the subject of complaint to the house itself (hear); and he must say, that, such a course beitig so open to them was a much more constitutional one to follow, and affording a much better remedy, than the suggestion to the people that the house would neglect its. duty, and, on that hypothesis, to tell their( that they were justified in protecting themselves from such interference 'by the aild of loaded pistols t \v. .or rifles. (Hear, hear.) While the law. aff, legitimate remedy, he could not avoid obt suggestion was calculated to create not country, (Hear, hear.) He apologized to ti risen on the present occasion, but, in the al branch of the government with which he conceived he should have neglected his dut from offering these few observations to the 11, Mr. W. WHITMORE was not aware in what ,the elections to which the. hon. member fo) alluded, and the circumstances he had state( he must sav that it would have been impossil tection of the military, for the electors of have conscientiously recorded their votes The usual protection afforded on such occasi instrumentality of the police, but if that wa; he must declare that it was absolutely necess; should have the protection of the military. that the people of this country would never thrown out in that house, or by instigation to those means which had been shadowed f occasion. (Hear, hear.) He must also bet ence to the election to which be had alluded that if the military had not been called out, firm conviction, that not only would the peak been endangered, but that the scenes which enacted at Bristol would have been again per hampton. (Hear, hear.) He must also sf could be too great on the authorities for thi occasion to which he had referred. ELECTION COMMITTEES, Mr. T. ATTWOOD said that in making the addressed to the house, he had not alluded to Wolverhampton. An hon. MEMBER said, that when such an the name of the place ought to be stated. name.") Mr. T. Arrwoon said, that the place to wh: and where the infantry appeared with loader cavalry galloped up to the hustings, was the b, in the county of Staff'or'd. Mr. FORSTER said, that as member for th, sail; he craved the indulgence of the house v or two observations upon the present occasi had heard with surprise the, remarks which the hon. member for Birmingham, and he nished to hear those remarks applied to the rough he (Mr. Forster) represented, as the w cumstances of that election must be, well k , gentleman, who had himself been present (1] it might be said „ quorum pars magna fur He (Mr. Foster) could state that it had bee) persons deputed to attend at Walsall by the the representation of that borough (who w& son of the ben.' member for Birmingham him: men were to come from Birmingham to att , Walsall. He could, also state that nearl' come, headed and preceded by men in militai! ' belonging to no corps (hear); that those m, on the inn in which the electors in his (Mr. were congregated for the night; that upwl were apprehended for the riot, and that gret. electors in the. popular interest had been seriously (Hear.) It was true thaton the following day the mid° been sent for, but not until the election had virtual i (Hear.) The military had not, however, been called4i ficient time to preserve those who had voted conscie o g from injury, though happily they did arrive time Ott save the town of 'Walsall from the fate of Bristol, The magistracy and authorities of Walsall and its De; hood had on that occasion acted with great moderati o e impartiality, and not only with a painful vigilance to Po the town, but also the uninterrupted exercise of the al t franchise. ( Hear, hear.) He (Mr. Forster) was rea d the merits of the question before any tribunal that member for Birmingham might choose. (Hear, hear.),o l , Mr. T. ATTWOOD was prepared to come to the brbo house to show that the whole of the disturbances whicsi A li curred had originated in the interference of the sP,e c oll stables, who had themselves broken the windows, and t lO attacked children, and thereby excited the irritation of rents. (" Oh! oh !") --00 Mr. HUME stated that he had himself received a pet! ti t Walsall (as we understood) to the same effect as •te had been presented by the hon. member for BirmingD„A which he (Mr. Hume) had delayed in bringing for he was aware that the hon. member for Walsall was id I .' The petition stated that the military were in the tow n 1 the . polling, so that the statements now made were some variance. He should now abstain from saying mere state that he should present the petition with which he h intrusted to-morrow. Mr. BUCKINGHAM. supported the prayer of the I'9 namely, that all elections where military interference ha used should be .declared null and void.. Every membe r and.each constituency must know, that the law provide o{ removal of military to a certain distance from the place tion, in order that no such interference might take the question now, might be whether, in many instan t , interference had been necessary ; and ho thOught n° could deny that in Sheffield, on the late election, the irate was improper. In the case of Sheffield, before anyti' r c e• transpired to warrant the introduction of a military f°, l4 military were sent for, and were met ten miles from by the magistrates who ordered them to load; they arrived in Sheffield, were notten minutes in the ovo i d without interference with them by the people, they issn the inn yard in which they were congregated and bred a ri people; a poor watchman ou duty in the preservatio n ( peace was killed, several children who were passing "T wounded, - and innocent blood had been shed. (Hear.) 0 , been said that constitutional means were provided redress of such grievances, but he begged to remind ht bert that an inquiry at.the bar of the house could not "" t , tutcd or carried on at an expense short of -£2,000, and the how, he would ask,. could poor persons (who were the fie, of the sufferers on such occasions) proceed? (Hear.) r e. sidered that prevention was at all times better than ca w , he hoped that when the subject of vote by ballot was 011 4 under the consideration of the house, some provisions v`,., made for taking the poll at elections in such a way as the interference of military unnecessary and unknown. , An hon. MEMBER (name unknown) had heard from j ir who had been present the circumstances attending the a' o o . interference at Sheffield, and from, what he knew - he F., ° that if any such interference was justifiable it was at '' P for by it the town had been saved. An hon. MEMBER (also unknown) begged to he .- 41 0 , °1 :1) one of the representatives for Ireland, to observe that 0 rious effects of military interference at elections had be e ,A felt, and that in the county with which he was conuc c iog only had the military been marched into the town, but before the committee-rooms of some of the candidates. The petition was ordered to lie upon the table. dr Mr. I'. ATTWoon presented a petition from the Mi--' ll ` ll V, litical Union of the working classes, complaining of tfi th e e id)' sion, in the King's speech and in the address Iron" „ s of i of any reference to the grievances of the working da s : t oo' community, and regretting that measures of coerci°" o d t. , Ireland should have been called for in both the fpCA address. The petitioners prayed the abolition v(Ch e upon bread, malt, soap, hops, tea, sugar, and tobacco , and laughter.)emhe . Other petitions were also presented by several h on . °ld tai praying for the abolition of negro-slavery, th e asse ss,"•ot the taxes on knowledge, tithes, corn laws, an d ar Irish disturbance suppression bill; and resi Mr. PEASE presented a petition from Jacob W e bb, a in the county of Somerset, pr a yi ng for an alteratita system of the established ch urc h. T o The petitioner ' s l d there should be 52 bi s h o p s , a bishop f or eac h cou ntyt t. P r , provided for, who should:confine themselve s t o teac."' n t preaching the gospel, and who should h ave no conce i t ti legislative proceedings.—The house aj o urn e d a t half-Pas toYesterday two committees were chosen . by balluo°- merits of election petitions. The following are the resul ts P• reduced lists : PETERSFIELD BOROUGH. Sir George Cayley Sir John Johnstone Edward Buller, Esq. Josiah Wedgwood, V sg sti' Heury Handley, Esq. Robert Throckmorton , Hon. H. V.'S. Jerningham Hon. George Lamb E. W. W. Pendarves, Esq. I R. A. Slaney, Esq. Sir William Chavtor The committee having retired to the Speaker's ( 40313 chose the Hon. George Lamb to be their chairman. Benjamin Handley, Es q . oxFoan CIT Y. Lord Villiers William JosiahHo n . C j .. l A G,inu N ne V set . r: P EE e s l s Sir 'homas Fremantle 5 . 1 William It. Clayton, Esq. J. J. H. Johnstone, Matthew Sharp, Esq. William Verner, EA' Richard Walker, Esq. itt l ‘ Having retired to . the Speaker's chamber, the in n chose Sir Thomas Fremantle to be their chairman. ilclience rose and riee ou ,' °Y which he (Mr. Condy) wa,' tok 'ground—the propriety ot legai I: l ee e : t. i; l g t t I itthhtßee efruaecctt factor n:t y ta d - s r t i ) s e s c -d t l a o m s b u y r w e t e s h r e e i n n i :t u t h: i le,:ece the stateinents of the writer I ta i, Ile t av o B i ii : eet t ,s t ,..,e, o a aal f . , tue j tclia u t ags magistrate t i eft c o e hr i a u abnr o ia a si t hn h tmso w e n a t s o t I ii.te ono geilr. a th akiti,,,c , the oath. But it a lie i k thall who stated a fact on his o 11 literest one way or the. other, to •‘,ll4Bserted. 84 e Y t his Was ( a ti s e i a f r. a ) ma O n h !we b i ti .e t t t o ll th e ' l ca W a s ex-parte. ( almostma e k hisb a e n . a ! th,,,,Proceeded to develope the inj.uri , thealth and morals of the infant u i',_were told that their statements f ti e - t .? the twisted spines, the scroful tier the"! tangs and the numerous o Kes e ',. z, 1 ie. er a teedt: ~), t.thiviiatus.. git:aaecrtnyodr young,ya- srreasonable nod i nna . aebelume ( s L Feed o or u rt t.t d ioo Nv e iIY tor health ta re tt o t a h s e r a e m w e a n s d n e d o . th i i no• so he. Year s 44 f ourteen - hours' labour Pas' Afte-r°l„age; and that food was almo r 4 4, 4 ; ; that nothin conduced so muc k st i akilldiug to the gigantic effo khl -et in the cause of the factory col maintained the expediency of p b e foun , Ni k ° l'Pres ston and fraudulent contr. t e et lip alluded t o the law as re . °ttl l le `.ll cla sses, who were almost ex the kat debts by legislative sr. er,tiadniiiiistra.tion of the Poor Law. fe d c't legislative interference, as w ork .refltse relief to those persons _. Wa rd th lactories. It was evident . l a er r, ,',ll interfering; and, as it w , as n. i ;Irikl tl;:ole,:rlariltaelititaiote,• d tla y b)Btti , s a t r s ..e6 e ,u ar ia ly tioans spuonss i e b r l e t o correct o f (*Ought if the law constrained ,ao. ehi',.ll4t„factories at such an e.m . 1) .31 . 7 adept in po of Adam :" i e subject, who O v i e i re wont to have .... t ear, not worth following which wou ) tlnt is t' all aw a liberal profit for ea . p , k rt fford ample wages to the walk . ? t ." °lll Y in all directions and in eve' n,,l t 'only in sentiment as well a' he Y) believed he should fall into 4.: -, : r i ,aing such absurd doctrines w Ro n laid that he saw the canker of d, ' '; 3 : 1 1:j a 1. k 1 i t ? e ere l : e .: t l isi a l t 1( i : e :i t ; t : i t ' ,lre eh ohel i e l e I l i:11 1 9 : c. p aY nhail : ean d t oecu h re t s o s i al.pse)veht measure a c l le l w h t a es e n h o t(. e ua l : t .. . 14 keep up the commercial inter: iti;er part of the community. (Ilea ir ob ed to take his stand on the of , - ity, in considering the question 1 ij,„thbmit a variety of eviaence,--e r tr,tlllld say—of creeping and slow .a 4,t41e wealth of the country, had tplithen alluded to the poor rates, ti th:,'''out 7,000,W0 annually, a . nd t 4 ,1 t144-t`h4ras manufacturing t d o is t t h r e i it beh• qe w o uld not make affidavit and he nea, oappea in L ili„ ' natur e of this poor rate , i e ' ,3 ::::6 : ; tit t b elievedmake e it the proportion .. w Wise etice of keepinc, the population a t 4 t , i tiOd arid die 'greatest maximu r/linded of the apologue of . .i . Eso 8 1; r t ta ed to b e in the act of killing . rh.- .., -.-ce p e a d c e i d es, to bo s th tate yh t ) b ,, a i t a t il h y e a fa n c d tor . , ~ (lical summary in support of th 1 `%firmation of the ease, read the filer 's ed — rea s a n.ce cr ell ef i t u he tt,e act H er o y us ßemo. f 4 and reading 6sufficient intervals fo through the 'llt continued often. which t ileeted, lighted by gas, in . to tdhethwholee di m , ,i diminution mut t s h tlat e ol sun a u : e; . act ,-,,s.iliess, loss of appetite, asthmas, - tY of breathing, .kbcoughs,and othe h c ommon in factories, er consequ th more distressing lessened, the D,,4scular power :ti e il. li s ll e i s r s y a o s t i t P e o ° E a n ' i 1 , u o e t f v e even labour f o n o u d r r offensive fet many a l p ‘ nil e v h minutes uc a a s osne: r i, „4ly es s ui h t or o te f ng s . is h tl j often cannot sustain without I 141 for so many hours f the arch o t,,,' become bent; the wedgelike f .00.1 of those of a w hich a ‘.4t,-Tticity destroyed, from ommo Cp.`„Y lately described, but c a _ e , ,t i l ll tt4, in ia w k h n ic o h w n the t °D o a v n e i l f r i_ rs : rn nlit e a r v l a t , a ii h tn i Y l el a cia i s us c u a o al t over press 11 1 , - iii i. tl ii te , Puarodlsotorni.,lsdiaesisdo,oftebfaynilgNsbriyetiacthly also.; i elered incapable of anybusiness Orr Condy) had often remark t i:i i.4 4 l i Be i :in o s such o i v n dre t oix s sdtenoe diedni an gataishnyeatchdocoemnsf deformity pi nrmr o o.i f nei tu t ,yi h ni e . aon(grea contendedla utt h a t t e ther , )_s. e LO DC c . T., ts were • . 1 itbbNethvesrieleim:wilh oth. . . i . , • S'' -' . ___,,, ..,........ Forded an ....4.,... MR. SADLER'S TEN iserving L t s P o f absence 'a' 'era of the borough of Manchester I se h m o i u s s c e “ , l9l On Thursday week a public me. lh ty o l u v h a sae s c l . Cit. :tyininigirell,tatoniesgfoeimrsleathtouetrhpeeetrro"mae J t p ß ar i t nu oi. lo i; .1v oeexacteells.esnot delivered p a o d w d e r r e f s o s nyand clea clearly ed had °ee l •,lino was held, that we cannot ref ible, withou ~ readers Wolverh a kr. CONDY rose, amidst loud cheer in the late Il ialon. He remarked on the anxie pass su ° f r le discol e r q u : ;ions was e ~committee had done him the hon, as found ' l3 i, as to the manner in which he s sa el ry sevv th .h a e t r t - 1. (Hear.) A " e question, he (Mr. Condy) had be' be induce" tteut of the evils of the present fac i ley had confided to him. Long ere bring the matter to bear in sue forth on the ,old°rending any party further than g to add, , ' c truth should oblige him, he could I (Wolve h r `` 4 'the public mind, he had been in it was "'''. 'd even now his thoughts were not ice of the t o w vc wished, had time and oppottunit sh had bee ' e iii more completely. He felt s. erformed hi o 'e r, , • '', by some allusions on the subje state th as: root 41iptt-Ttinhesytreawteirne. rather iies premature, tion. s he con& etled to guide him, in some degree, tobservatie j , . I?ezr,ecoao:dcitet:nonthi4 them e , however, l he o the late ' Nally intended to discuss the in :euisonnntil ico:eni. fur;uebhatnYebilerat; l' 'e e Mato rl a g esg r ta i e n 11' 4 111linanity; next, as to the . propri 11 ' tril l f th th r etT, however, how he treated of the a e nd e f i r i e r e o t sp e e f rit}t u t o e ed muskeV e ii Printed and circulated, though borough o i t ß e luty and sympathies of the people got o f ( 1 , auct that, therefore, the quests:, 4111 Y; for the letter to which he h 3 ' ll ha i e o i(se n Cshe . borough rihee ( sbo o f4 t°ra i s e those feelings; public ournals ; was the r ot , ~ 5t leoe out the pathetic; he must e contest Y ni "tits and the injuries inflicted to 'lib, . % . . . whole fac t y .7 as it aftected the commercial lute li a tu t :: it might be afforded. The s hear), an d a. , ti cd to the requton, that humani Lit." (B e e t :°ugh there seemed some danger s etailwril's to d lad isap t o pe fi a n ri d n , g h . ow A ev n e d r, w f a ro s m it littlry of the Christian era, there whilehad beef at ~ile d i n tme of the tend tb, s „e e ''' 4 sacrificed at one exhibition ; bus ly 20,tmi, ~,,the point of annihilation, the senti ry unilkr4 :''llch scouted as, judging from th nen made 1 ilt4t %vas among Englishmen. And s. Forster',;', ~,,I l i e I y advocated in the theatre at eat numbed, 1,..-44cr clO Whole heathen t w o s o r o s r h d i e p: e asu,, L e, the audience rose and • rards of 10';0