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Varlift HOUSE OF LORDS. THURSDAY‘, MARCH 28. The Sugar Duties' Bill was read a third time, and passed. On the motion of Lord ELLENBOROUGH, copies of the cor re4ondence between the Board of Control and the Court of Directors of the East India Company, relative to the measures proposed by government to be adopted on the renewal of the charter ' were ordered to be laid on the table. Lord CLONCURRY presented petitions from certain parishes in Limerick, and the countyof Antrim, against the tithe system. The Earl of ROSEBERY presented a petition from Brechin against slavery; also one from Arbroath, praying for an exten sion of the jurisdiction of Sheriffs' Courts in Scotland. The Earl of RODEN presented petitions flora a parish in Downshire against the Church Reform Bill; and another from tile clergy of the town of King's Lynn, praying the house to take into consideration the present state of the suffering clergy in Ireland. The Earl of Wicx Low presented a . petition from the dean and clergy of Eiphin, against the diminution of the number of the Irish bishops. Lord KING said that there It ere only 37 benefices in the dio eess of Elphin, and he did not think it necessary that a bishop should be retained solely for the purpose of superintending 37 i ucumbents. The Earl of WICKLOW said that the petitioners felt that great evil would result from the removal of a resident bishop from their vicinity. Petitions, praying for the better observance of the Sabbath, were presented by the Bishops of HEREFORD and CHESTER, the Earl of RODEN, and the Bishop of LICHFIELD. NEGRO SLAVERY. Petitions; praying for the abolition of negro slavery, were prusented by Lord AUCKLAND from several parishes in the county of Roxburgh; Lord SUFFIELD, from Edinburgh, signed by 21,291 persons; from Sheffield signed by 11,1 W persons, another from Glasgow signed by 31,172 persons, and by Lords Frrzwiwasi and LILFORD. Eirl GREY, in answer to questions of the Dukes of CUMBER LAND and BUCKINGHAM, said that he could not, till the Irish coercion bill had passed through all its stages, and had become the law of the land, state when . the house would rise for the kolydays. He could not, either, in that state of the public business, say how long the recess would last, but feared it would be a short one. LOCAL JUDICATURES. The Lord Cis A NCELCOPIB;I;IIiiiea to their lordships a bill lyir establishing local jurisdictions in England and, Wales, similar in principle and in the majority of its provisions to that submitted by him ou two former occasions. Its object was the establishing, as it were, but experimentally in certain districts and counties, but ultimately in all the counties and districts, :liter its adVantages shall have been proved in the experimental diStricts, local jurisdictions, for the purpose of facilitating the administration of justice,—and not only facilitating, but bring ing it home to the door and placing it within the pecuniary roach of every subject in the kingdom. These local jurisdie s thins would be so many courts, over which a serjeant-at-law, or a barrister of not leSs. than ten years' standing, should be ap p.sinted to - preside as judge,—dare being taken that those judges shall he men able and experienced in the law, and of so high a character, moral and professional, that the King's subjects should have confidence in their decision.. He proposed to give them a power to dispose of cases of debt, and those cases of wrongs which were called actions of tort, in which the redress wits, pecuniary damages. In his former bid he proposed that toe judges should take cognizance of all actions for debt where the sum did not exceed £lOO, but after much consideration, and frequent communication with the common law commis siuners,. he was induced to make ..£2O the maximum sum, at least for the present, which should he brought, as a matter of course, before the local judges. He admitted this was a great restriction, but lie trusted that the other provisions of the bill would do much towards securing the parties-in-debt actions the prompt and economical decisions of the local courts. It was to he understood that the £2O was a compulsory provision—that is, that the plaintiff in a cause to that amount should possess toe power of bringing it before the local judges, even though time defendant should nut be a willing party. Another provision, which he would advert to immediately, gave the parties in these debt and tort actions (and, indeed, in all actions) the power of , l ailimitting themselves to the local tribunal, on both agreeing— teat is, on the mutual consent of the plaintiff and defendant to that purpose. Briefly, then, all actions for debt and damages eader £2O would be tried and decided in these local judicatures. Their lordships, perhaps, were not aware of the great amount sumsthe actions for not exceeding £ 2o,—that relative proportion which they bore to the aggregate amount of actions tried in the courts of common law. 'l'his great relative proportion would appear obvious to them when he stated, that out of 93,000 affidavits of debt made in the year 1826 (the last ithich he possessed a return) in the three courts of common law in Westminster-hall, not less than 30,000, or about one third, were for sums under £2O; 64,000 (as we understood the learned lord) for sums under £5O; and the remainder, for sums a'iove £5O. Again, out of 890 suits, tried in London and 'Mid- Ulesex in 1830, not than 330, or More than one-third, were for sums under £2O; while in the country, judging by the re turns from the Oxford circuit for the same year, the proportion was still greater, there being not less than 160 out of t 340 causes ter sums under £2O tried in that circuit. lie had stated that the jurisdiction in cases for £2O would be compulsory. 'He pro posed, that when plaintiff and defendant both consented, all actions, without restriction of amount at issue, might be dis posed of by the local judges. Another provision, which he also expected would work advantageously, was that which would cable either party in an action for debt to compel the other to answer upon oath as to the facts of the case: by this, summary arrangement all the advantages of the rounds:l)o6LS, tedious, and expensive processes of filing a bill of discovery would be scured at a cheap rate and p romptly. h There was another pro vision of this bill to which e bad on a former occasion spe cially invited their attention—he meant that which would in vest the local judges with an arbitrary power; in fact, invest the local courts with the character of courts of reconcilement. By the judges—persons eminently competent from education, professional habits, and standing—pointing out to the parties the real grounds of an action—the right and the wrong, they not only saved the necessity of endless litigation, but vindicated, the high character of the profession from all imputation of in teresteduess and professional disingenuousness. In France these courts of arbitration had been tried, not, he. was bound to state, with such extensive results as in Belgium, and far less ,Bari in Denmark and Norway. This reconciling practice was first . adopted in Denmark in 1795: in the following year the causes were reduced not less than two-thirds—that is, but one third was not disposed of without going into court, by arbi tration on the part of the judges. lie. had on a former occa sion quoted the returns of two periods of nine years each, in order to place the beneficial workings Of this reconciling prac tice in a strong light to their lordships. In the earlier period not less than 418,000 out of 721,000 cases were so disposed of; while in the later. period—in that ending in 1822 —not less than 21,000 out of a total of 31,0('i (two-thirds) cases_ were ,so settled, without the expense and delay of formal litigation. The next provision related to the equity jurisdiction with which he proposed to invest the local juagese Ile proposed that the local judges shad be ta, all intents and purposes local masters in Chancery . and local commissi.ners of b an k r upts—that is, tkaLthey shall m their several jurisdictions and localities exercise all the functions which appertain to the ()dice of master in Chancery, and which appertain to the office of bankruptcy judge in the new bankrutcy courts, which had, he was prouu to say, produced the best results, and were held strong esteem by the mercantile world. Of course local of ficial assignees should also be appointed, in order to make the bankruptcy jurisdiction of the local courts as efficient as it was universally admitted to be in Loudon. The last object which he had in view in drawing up the present bill was also very im portant. It proposed to relieve debtors who had gone through their examination; and made a satisfactory disciosure of the whole state of their affairs, from imprisonment. In this respect the bid would be au apt precursor to one which he 'understood was about to be introduced into the other house of Parliament, which was also founded on the recommendations of the common law commissioners, and which would go the length of abolish ing imprisonment for debt altogether. - The want of proper measures to obtain full and accurate information respecting the property of debtors was severely felt. This want was intended also to be supplied by the bill he had the honour to submit to the house. Its application would be general, as far as it was prac ticable to be so, and it was thought. that it could, with very little alteration; be applied to almost every case which might occur. lie thought that the principle- of not allowing the arrest of a debtor under any pretences except those of refusing to answer questions relating to the disposal of his property, or of refusing to surrender it, was just and incontrovertible. Indeed, in no ease in his (the Lord Chancellor's) opinion, except under cir cumstances in which property had been fraudulently obtained, or negligently managed,—iii short, in no case except where contumacy or criminality could be shown, ought any debtor to -lee detained. With regard to this part of the measure, he had to repeat that it was based on the recommendations contained in the report of the common law commissioners, and that in (*awing it up every regiird had been paid to imparting to.ere ditors every security which it was possible to extend to them. In fact, its provisions would be of greater benefit to creditors. THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD. than of advantage to debtors, and he had no doubt that when the measure came to be fully discussed by the legislature, it would surely be adopted. He had another bill to present, the. subject of which he would then simply mention. It was in tended to effect an alteration in the appellate jurisdiction of the privy council; and he hoped ere long that a similar alteration might be effected in the appellate jurisdiction of their lordships' house, which he could assure them was a subject of the gravest importance, and one which required the most serious considera tion. If he might be permitted, he would just state the subject of a bill which he intended. to introduce .before the, Easter re cess. This bill would be directed to effect some important re ductions in certain law offices—namely, the Six. Clerks-office, the Report-office, the Register-office, and, several others. It would also effect the abolition of some useless and cumbrous places connected with the Court of Chancery, to the amount of tour or five and twenty ; remedy delays in proceedings, and abridge expenses. In short, the bill he proposed to introduce would impart greater justice and accuracy to the proceedings of every branch of the Court of Chancery. The following would be the list of the reductions in the offices to which he - had al luded the Six Clerks-office a saving of £29,000 would be effected, in the Report-office, a saving of £4,300; in the Regis ter-office of 1:10,500; in the blasters'-offices of V 1,157 ; which, with the further fees now received in those offices, to be abo lished and compensated from the suitors' fund, amounting to £14,000 would make a total saving of £68,957 a year. He would say no more of the contemplated measure than this, that much confusion would be prevented by it in the administration of the proceedings of those different offices. The Duke of BUCKINGHAM wished to know whether the esta blishment of the local courts under the bill presented to the house would supersede the jurisdiction which the local courts at present in existence exercised; and also whether that bill would affect the regulations for empanelling juries ? The LORD CHANCELLOR, in answer to the last question, was understood to say that the provisions of the bill would not affect the sheriff's right of assembling juries. 'With regard to the es tablishment of the courts, that would very much depend upon circumstances. _ _ Z'he bills were then read a first time.—Adjourned. FRIDAY. The Royal assent was given by Commission to the Exchequer bills' Bill, the Transfer of Aids' Bill, the Sugtir Duties' Bill, and several private bills. The Lords Commissioners were the Lord Chancellor, the Duke of Richmond, and Marquess of Lansdowne. Lord WESTERN presented petitions from parishes in Kent, praying for the better observance of the Sabbath. Ihe Bishop of DURHAM presented a petition for the better observance of the Sabbath, from a parish in the diocess of Durham. Lord LYNEDOCH presented a petition from . a parish in Kin cardineshire against slavery. The Earl of HARI; owISY moved that an humble address be presented to his Majesty requeitins his Majesty to direct the archbishops and bishops to inquire into and report the names of all parishes in their several dioceses which, on account of their small population and value, they might think it desirable to unite to some contiguous parish. The Archbishop of CANTERBURY expressed his entire ap proval of the address, which was then agreed to. On the motion of Earl FITZWILLIAM, certain returns rela tive to corn were, after a short conversation, ordered to be laid on the table. . The Bishop of LONDON presented a petition from St. George's, Bloomsbury, for the better observance of the Sabbath. The Earl of RODEN presented a petition from certain united parishes in the diocess of Cork. The Earl of Wiciu..cw presented a petiton from a place in Ireland, praying for a convocation of the clergy to be summoned to consider the proposed measure of church reform. Earl FITzwiLLIAM said that the clergy did not exclusively constitute the church, but that he and the noble lord opposite were as inn& members of the church as the archbishops and bishops. Ile therefore thought that a convocation consisting of the clergy solely would afford but imperfect means of ascer taining the sentiments of the church. The Marquess of WESTMINSTER rose to present' a petition which he considered of great importance, and deserving their lordships' serious attention, though he wished to guard himself against being supposed.to concur in all the statements contain ed in the petition. The petitioners all of whom were Welsh men, or intimately connected with Wales, complained of cer tain abuses in the administration of the affairs of the church in that portion, of the kingdom. They stated that considerable in convenience was felt in consequence of the bishops appointed to sees within the principality and a portion of the inferior cler gy, being ignorant of the Welsh language. They stated that a large portion of the inhabitants of Wales were Dissenters. and they attributed the great 'extent . of diSient which prevailed there to the fact he had just adverted to,—the state of ignorance in which many of the clergy stood with respect to the language of the people whom they were appointed to Superintend end instruct. lie most sincerely wished that but one language was spoken and understood throughout the whole united kingdom ; but when different dialects existed.; he thought it . but right that ministers of religiOn should be able to speak the language of the. people among whom they resided. The petitioners a4a. com plained of nun-residence on the part 'of the clergy, and the number of pluralities existin g in Wales, and they stated that some very large and populous districts were left with nit incum bents. They likewise objected to the very small stipends which were allowed to the curates, and they prayed that all these abuses might be corrected, and particuiarly that no clergyman should be appointed to any benefice in Wales who was not per fectiv conversant with the Welsh language. Time Bishop of BANGOR would take it upon him to affirm that there was no clergyman in Wales ignorant of the Welsh lan guage, and that the service was read in that language in pro portion to the ignorance of the audience of the English. It was tine he was himself ognorant of Welsh, but then.his chaplain was not, and that answered all praCtical purposes. It was wrong to assert that the indumbents were non-resident. Englishmen ; for there" Were only three English-vicars in his diocess, and they had studied the Welsh language. As to chirge against the Welsh bishops, that they spent the revenues of their sees out of the principality, he would only observe, that he had yet to learn that bishops had not as much right to spent' their incomes where they pleased as any noble lord in that house to spend his rents where he pleased.- The right rev. prelate then entered into a lengthened statement iu order to show that but few non-resi dents existed in his diucess, and that the Welsh language was employed universally where the English was unknown. Since he had become bishop of Bangor but six livings had fallen in, of which three were appointed by Lord Brougham. lie would not have confirmned these appointMents were the parties ignorant of the Welsh language. The Bishop of ST. ASAPII was surprised that the noble mar quess. (Westminster) had.so iinplicitiy pinned his faith to the statements, or rather misstatements, of Mr. Johun's, of Ches ter's, pamphlet. One assertion of that gentleman would in itself show the worth of his assertions. lie .stated that Christ Church,' Oxford, received £4,700 iron' its tithe property in Ban gor. Now, the fact was, that the - entire tithe property of that parish was not half that sum, and of that half ,Christ Church received but one-fourth: (Hear.) Kr any (falsehood) disco omnes. lie was rather surprised that the noble marquess, if he had any regard for.the preservation of his own prbperiv, should support attacks a... ,, ainst that of the, church. He had' no - . fear 'that the seine sort - of spoliation would soon be recommended with regard to the po3sessiort f luyinit, ? Wear ) Since lie had succeeded to the itiocess which he then held, be .had been obliged to lev out a very great deal of money for different pur poses connected with the state of the church property, so much, indeed, that he never, during his life, expected to be able to re place it; . and with regard to the disposal, of livings, he could say that in no one instance had he . ever made presentations of. livings except to individuals who were iu every way, fitted for the appointntents.. He . had .twelve to dispose of, and ten of them he had given to curates, 77 nien of the most deserving cha racter, and who had performed their duty' in au exemplary manner. The first appointment he had ever made had been to a gentleman who used to visit St. George's hospital in the per formance of his sacred dutiei••--the administering of consolation to the patients confined there, and he could not 0-e the houSe a better evidence of his qualification for the appointment than. was contained in the following 'anecdote :—The. clergyman in question happened, a few years ago, to be proceeding across the fields iu the neighbourhood of Hackney, when he was attacked by four men, who demanded his money. He was,on the point of surrendering all the money lie had about him when one of the four stepped forward and declared that he would not allow him to be robbed .of a single farthing,—that he recogniZed in him the good clergyman from whose advice and consolation he had derived so much benefit when he was ill is the hoipital (Hear, hear.) The right rev. prelate then t)roceeded, at some length, to contend, that the circumstance of rectors. tn Wales being Ignorant of the Welsh language was not accompanied by any inconvenience, for almost all the children in Wales under stood English. He concluded by declaring; that there existed no just ground of complaint against the Welsh clergy, and, therefore, regretted that the noble marquess should have sup ported the u n f oun d e d a ll egat i ons c o ntaine d i n t h e pe titi on h e had presented. He fancied, after what the noble niarqucss had heard, he would change his opinion on the subject.. Lord KING observed that the remarks of the right rev : prelate (the Bishop of Bangor), had been directed rather against the speech of a noble lord in another place than against the -peti tion before the house, which he conceived called for au answer. The right rev. prelate. who had last addressed the, house had thought proper to make a very severe attack upon the author of a work to which he (Lord king) had odcasionally referred. He could assure the right rev. prelate, however, that his denun ciation was, in that instance at least, uncalled for, far thaindi vidual in question was a most respectable man, and one to whom the charge of publishing " gross falsehoods" was utterly inapplicable. The noble lord condemned, in strong terms, the practice of spending, the revenues derived from. tithes out of the parishes from which they were collected. Those revenues ought rightly to be appropriated to benefit the particular laariihes,— to support the respective ministers,—and those who diverted them from those purposes were anything but the real ministers, ,—anything but the shepherds of the flock. He contended that the allegations contained in the petition had not been satisfac torily refuted, and that there was strong ground for cOmplaint in the manner in which livings had been filled up in different parts of Wales. The Bishop of ST. ASAPH disclaimed, on his own account, and he believed he might also on the account of his brethren, the imputation of having made improper appointments. In fact, he had used the utmost precaution in ascertaining the cha racter and qualifications of all those persons to whom he had presented livings. This he could say, that he never gave one away on the ground of the individual on whom he conferred the appointment having the least possible qualification for the post. Lord KING said fie should not have troubled the house with another word on the subject had it not been for the remark which had just fallen from the right rev. prelate, which he was aware was pointed at him (Lord King) individually. That re mark was founded on a paragraph contained in some low news paper, which insinuated that he (Lord King) had conferred a living on a gentleman because he was " the least of a clergy man?' He could assure the house that this was a base calumny. The individual in question was a highly respectable man, and in every way qualified for the performance of his sacred func tions. The Bishop of ST. ASAPH said that he was glad he had given the noble baron an opportunity of contradicting so insidious a statement. The Marquess of WESTMINSTER contended that the allega-, Lions of the petition had not been satisfactorily refuted, and ex pressed his entire dissent from the doctrines advanced by the right rev. prelates who had addressed the house, with regard to the appointment to livings in Wales of individuals who did not understand the Welsh language, and to the expenditure of the revenue derived from tithe out of the parishes from which it was collected. The petition was then ordered to lie on the table. Adjourned. HOUSE OF comraoNs. WEDNESDAY, MARCH 27. DISTURBANCES (IRELAND) BILL. The order of the day for the consideration of the report on this bill was then read; but after some conversation between Lord Althorp, Mr. O'Connell, the Solicitor-General, and the Speaker, it was agreed that the bill should be recommitted, in order that certain amendments, which the government pro posed to make on different clauses of the bill, should be proposed in committee. In the course of this conversation Mr. O'Con nell stated that he would make no opposition to bringing up the report: but he would certainly take the sense of the house on the third reading of the measure. The bill was then recommitted, and the Speaker left the chair. Several verbal amendments were proposed and agreed to on the first, second, and third clauses. On the fourth clause,— . . . . Mr. Shaw proposed an amendment on which the house di vided:— Ayes 123 Noes 44 Majority for the clause -79 On the 10th clause, Mr. STANLEY announced his intention to move a proviso on the 14th clause, preventing any sentence of transportation by courts-martial from being carried into effect without the con sent of the Lord-Lieutenant. Mr. O;CoNNEI,L said that such a proviso would remove a considerable portion of his objections to the present clause. After a few words from Lord Althorp and Mr. Stanley, the amendment was agreed to. On the 14th clause, Mr. STANLEY moved the following provisos,—that no for feiture of goods or chattols should ensue on any conviction be fore a court-martial under the act, and that sentence of trans portation by courts-martial should not be carried into effect un less the consent of the Lord-Lieutenant or other chief gover nors of Ireland were first obtained to the same. The provisos were agreed to. On arriving at clause 19, • Mr. SHAW proposed that the clause should be restored to its original form, so as to give magistrates the summary power, after calling upon a meeting against which a proclamation had been issued to disperse, to arrest those persons who remained a quarter of an how after having been so ordered to disperse, and to' imprison them for three months. Mr. Stanley, Mr. C Fergusson, Mr. O'Connell, Mr. Shed, and the Solicitor-General op . posed the amendment, which .was finally rejected without a division. and the original clause as it stood agreed to. Upon the question being put, that- the preamble be brought. up M , r. O'CoNNELL proposed the introduction of a proviso into the bill suspending the powers given by it to the Lord-Lieute nant upon a dissolution of parliament, should a dissolution oc cur during the continuance of the act, until the assembling of the new parliament, in order to afford protection to the election meetings that would be necessarily held in the intervals. Mr. STANLEY Opposed the clause, on the ground that the pe riod between the dissolution of one parliament and the assem bling of another was the one, of all others, the most likely to afford scope and Opportunity for political agitatiOn. The committee then divided, when the numbers were— Ayes 72 sues 214 Majority against the Clanse--L-142 Mr. O'CONNELL then proposed a clause, providing that when a writ was issued for a county or borough during the. sitting of parliament, the powers of the act should be suspended during the issue of the writ. This clause was agreed to. ' Mr. O'Coisimiu, then proposed a clause, to the effect, that no meeting of a corporate body, in pursuance of its charter, should be deemed an illegal meeting. Without such a provison, he.contended, the Lord-Lieutenant might suppress a meeting of a corporate body as an illegal- assembly. This clause was also withdrawn. The preamble having been .agreed to, the. house resumed, the feport was received, and the bid ordered to be read a third time on Friday next, with the understanding that if discussion should not terminate on that day, the house should sit on Satur day, for the. purpose of bringing it to a conclusion. L'ord.ALTnonP then moved the order of the day for the house resolving itself into a committee of supply on the .. ARMY ESTIMATE f 4. Sir.:TnnN Honnousu, moved." that there be employed for the service of His Majesty at home and abroad, ,from the Ist of April, .1E33, to tho 31sClgarch, et),,ii9 nien. To this vote Mr. HOME moved. an amendment, which was negatived with out a divisian ' and the original motion agreed to. The house then resumed and. the report was ordered to be received to-morrpw. The-coininiyee. to sit again on Friday. Mr: CLAY yiesented a petition numerously signed from the inhabit-MAO.. POlditr, . prAyin g ...the.house..ta extend- protection to the children employed in fa4o,lics. The other orders of thq l .day.Were then disposed of, and the house adjourned at half-past 2 o'clock.. TRURSDA Y. In consequence of the balliits.foi7select. committees to try the merits of the petitions complaining of undue, elections and re turns for the boroughs of Portarlingt.on and.,Carricklergus, the gallery was not opened until 5 o'clock. The petition against the return for the southern. division.bf NorthUmberland, which stood for a ballot this day, was, we understood, withdrawn. Mr. EWART moved for leave ,to bring in. a .bill for giving prisoners in criminal, cases a full defence by counsel. He should defer making any observations. on the measure until the second reading, and the more particularly as the Under Secretary for the Horne Department was not able to attend in his place. Mr. POULTER.obj , ected to the.bilL . He suggested to.the hon. member for Liverpool, that instead of giving prisoners per miision to make a full defencq by counsel. in criminal eases,"it be better to take away from prosecutors the pOvier of addressing the jury by counsel,, and thus both parties would be placed.upon an equality. Mr. O'CONNELL thought that this bill would introduce a very, beneficial alteration into our criminal jurisprudence. Sir T. FEEMANTLE was inclined to think that prisoners would not derive much benefit from the proviiions of this bill, for if Counsel were alloWed to addresS the jury. on their behalf, the prosecutor's counsel would have a right to replv i .and to press every point of evidence against them—a practice from which the bar of England generally, if not universally, abstained at present. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL did not rise to oppose the motion for lease to . bring in this bill, but rather to support it. The theory was certainly in favour of it, and in cases where a ,11A- M tee Mr. S. RI ca brought up the report of the celea it tive_; ply, with the resolution agreed to last night, j e ,. the e"' amount of men to be employed in the army year.—The report. was agreed to. Leave was then given to bring in the bill. ASSIZES FOR LANCASHIRE. the e Mr. EWART, after presenting a petition fro's' ae of trade in the borough of Liverpool, moves for 700 in a bill to adjourn the summer assizes for Le n Lancaster to Liverpool and Manchester. the b 085 The SOLICITOR. GENERAL would not oppose r t re this bill, but thought that it would be better to . ro sin Col pealed act of Charles 11., which gave to the rsn each C 0 the right of fixing the place where the assizes for topate should be held. He thought that the house ought netthe in matters of this sort, as they rather belonged to r tive of the Crown. *th t he i Lord SANDON said, that though he agreed _ A S VI be fe,,, pies of what had fallen from the Solicitor-Gener" he '- self bound, in consequence of the petitions w hich 0 54 1 ceived from his constitutents t who were obliged,, t° ,, g sur, e ', to the assizes, to support the introduction of this u -8 41:0 1 • 1 Mr. R. WASON said that he had also a bill ef L aie be ture to introduce on behalf of his constituents, u 0 b r ie; pospone it if the Solicitor-General would at one, / to 11 bill to effect the- restoration of the act of Charles he had already alluded. sense is Sir It. PEEL said that there was so much t h a tgo? d suggestion of the last speaker, that he thoubll,' y r ivf friend would act wisely to withdraw the bill. "ru e r o ago e ; cil was a much better tribunal than the House of -that deciding at what place in a county the assizes for. ;Arati, could be held most conveniently for the adlo ll ,l s . sill justice. He hoped that the house would not alL °. vidual bill of this kind to pass in future. agriA Lord A LTHORP was inclined to accede to t hi qoi He would not, however, pledge himself on heh.eitbetb° vernment to acquiesce in the course proposed; stll-‘uo be it advisable that the introduction of the bill sh., e t . 4.° poned, in order that he might have time to cons u ' e which he ought to pursue. t off s ' Sir M. W. RIDLEY also suggested the proprietytael ing the bill for the present. the Mr. P. THOMSON thought it better to withdra leaving it subject to the consideration of the ''sure Solicitor-General - to introduce some general ple a subject. be te as Mr. BARING said that the house ought not to be the introduction of motions of this kind. It vioaul to have some general measure on the subject. to . abl Lord ALTHOItP would not ask the hon. inefoh er a aoa r his motion, but he would suggest that he s hould , discussion of it to a future day. disc us° Mr. BWART consented to postpone the further dersto after the recess, (as wo understand,) with the I ,,l t ' e / gee that in the interim some general measure might n o . EMPLOYMENT OF CHILDREN IN FACTO,4•O33ber Lord ASHLEY wished to know from the hon. 113 0 his W. Patten) . whether it was his intention to bring 0 , o f for a commission to collect evidence on the suhie e a „pear' t vr A itoraef, employed in factories. In the votes of this day it feuded"a the motion was postponed to the 3rd of April, quence, many hon. members were absent who iu t a part in it. th e Ve sll lr. W. PATTEN said, that it was by a mistake , o f t moat appeared in the votes. He was in the hanusreeeee but he was anxious that his motion should take P ub ject , , the second reading of the noble lord's bill on the 1,00; After a short conversation on the subject,. Mr. A id t poned his motion till Tuesday, with the u nderstat e brat second reading of the noble ford's bill would not u before that day. GAME ACT. t ? c li Mr. LENNARD moved for leave to bring in ;V Wb i d I the 7th and Bth sections of the Ist of William , 1 ' 1 7,1c1 1) ; vented tenants from shooting game on the lan ds unless by an agreement to that effect with the par t would also wish to include in his bill the repeal o f sl°°: 30th section of the same act. The act, as it a he y very severe on the tenants, and he thought th at i, t was be relieved from the pressure of those clauses. tb e .' fault of the house that such clauses were introducepd added to the bill in the other house, and he belie l ; to intention a disgusting the house with the bill, tso„a it b e them to abandon it; but the house had thoug"'dontlte adopt those objectionable clauses rather than a haa measure. Sir E. KNATCHBULL seconded the motion. bit LAW OF LIBEL Sir and th F.VamixecnEds,rreolsaew respecting tomoyefor alter P art h intention, by the proposed measure, to repeal th 3 t he . 0 Six Acts, and of a bill afterwards brought in lY member for Norwich, which compelled indivith into la cer o l publishing newspapers, pamphlets, &c., to ent er ut a gaie o l curities to meet any action that might be brouP ve ry , e 1 The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said he should be throw any impediment in the way of any 11 ° 1-6 f brought forward a measure for altering the law e Leave was given to bring in the bill. tot REGISTRATION OF BIRTIIS, Ite e t g Mr. WlLics rose to move for "a select coin --1 1 3 0"- o h the general state of parochial registries, and t° bill, ) , ° 'fb to those registries, and the registration of b i rths , ,,,, a li riages, deaths, and burials, in England and Wr'diviae o f! observed, was a subject of importance to every 0 ,, 0 0s country. It was worthy the.consideration of i tho lic , religious persuasion, wlether Protestant or IIsp.:01 ters, or attached to the established church. 1 : 11 oirk i l e c rochial registration commenced in 1497; wheo hi , 510 4 0 , 1 soy caused , many . regulations to be made on h t irt hs,e`, o , France registration was a civil matter, all of CO and deaths, being registered before the maY° r + s ,a:' l) l l " ta l Iu Holland a good system of registration In r registered within three days of their occurrence..cc died}, withstanding the priests kept the registries , e u r e tion they were required to send returns to the e lergbil every three months. In Austria the C a tholic te re certificates from the Protestant ministers, f e and el; • th e ll t thighs, and marriages in a proper regis ter. .opts o „he system property was endangered, and the r i ti o red compromised. Lord Eldon had frequently d i e l l ) l, ,rs cf fr t o J i g 0 e o. i fection of our registrations, and the connin perty had suggested the adoption of a better 0' 5 , 1 ' 0 019 Importance of the subject, he thought it bett er " firstselect committee than to bring in a bill the ut his 0 .0 He should not enter into the details of a plin l / 4 ilar that a system of civil registration somewhat swe a doy iag i isted in the time of the protectorate ought to b e orao,,e! plan should embrace a registry of all baptislo!,ooitto deaths. He Concluded by moving for a selectLe.uairce sider and report on the general state of pare be recoV the laws relating to those registries, and iu births, baptisms, marriages, deaths, and bur ials Wales. )H1 Mr. K. TYNTE seconded the motion. ~ (I.:''` .- e i The ATTORNEY-GENERAL thOlight thn b t n i ; e " : l 9 .t t; it u o t ti . i to his learned friend for having brought notice. In his opinion, looking at the roattetv, bc 5 , L II evidence d.cply affecting succession to pri , v r the ilea subject more deserving the consideration of t vs° public: .01 er :,„„ re% e t ti, The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said that an ,'",l o.,at e ,. ol' registration was necessary : from the defee' l t : s oo yea' at present,. it was easier to trace a pedigree °' r opy'' I one of comparatively modern date. 1r t e .,.eut e ' Mr. K: TYNTE said' that having the h° llet o f l) 1 ; i jo county in which there was a very large 1,43 . 0 ;i n 0• th e "' z it( felt rejoiced in an opportunity h I du ' e tly c • and the people' of England upon the liberals' i his ihon. friend's motion had been met by ~,a ti eli he ters. (Hear.) , The Dissenters bad loag i i that,..' s 7 a of eougratulal .it'iminetry., their grievanceS, and now he was glad t r o i r atiie ut 1 1 % , : ii ,,,( they had, anticipated from a reformed glad, t hat Il e you° be realized. he felt him Self bound to sa!,; erve d, ut :a d no class of persons in the countrt more de6, - fel t 45' themselves more worthy Of, the oon that ' - 0-lear.) now be granted them than the Dissenters. The motion was then put and carried.... d wit h CATHOLIC MA1114.1,16 •C'ti.truste. , leo' Mr. W: PATTEN said that he had been rav i a g tor Irte a petitions from Catholics iu Lancashire,l? t) „,, i e lc e rg,) o d s' measure to render the marriages by thell bs , list, 11 , 0 ' 0 0/ As his name, -however, stood . so low 0 1 1.'_,,, ai ld 11 ~i 0 , an opportunity of presentinfr those pet . l. ll 7 e ' r he wo,.°/,`" ixt he fore begged to give notice tiat aftcr faster of `-' leave to bring in a bill to 'legalize them their own clergymen. antes given to D'Arcy Mr:.. SHEIL moved for a "retur!Lg, 11Iahoh! -F.4„.2,Nand, upo w i , lich e thud r e t t i i r i e lo ill t le c i t:hle . ' l i visional commissioners of stamps In I ,7, j ' ears fur ..c , c ' tie e; dation of the boards ; of the number e L i yin the '' . e cal' the, said commissioners was eraployewvaitees .(,;e ie l li a 0 . . ,1„ principle on which said retirement 1 1 ' respectively; and of the places or a()baleeeenssiti°olrseet' . said provisional commissioners havets thereef" the;amount of'the yearly emolument a cora Mr. S. RICE hat no objection to The Marine Mutiny Bill wcut through Th e motion was then put and carriheeo' t o-Morrow. .u: otion.rnittec7) 1.1 fuer Was tried or whe a or a Was put on his defencere against blind a man, criminal cl 0 was d del,one by not allowing their defence • 8 . Rlct obtained leave to bring in the . I, ,l. B ii i l e l, en account of the absence of the i i l i l i ( Mr. Stanley) from the house, postpone pa Motion for a copy of the corresponnenc v i l es'exorrnan and Sir W. Gossett, relative a police guard from the residence of a "14411qG moved for a return of the numbe °Pt"alt -yearly dividends were due at the lg thereof, of each description of public ! tithele annuities, distinguishing the amounts of fm £5 upivards.—Ordered. Illation a Mr. l 3 aring, a return was e: tlediof gold, silver , and bullion imported into. a and China, to and from Eur . ope , p, rh. stYil zli!isotdintrip to ohitnhge silver p g r o e ld sen a t n t d ime. in e : th°ATTWOOD gave notice, that after Ea ,11e8ani5r.sttuoornic o o n f tthhee Ist e o s f i‘offapreehrr 1 n B s l9 h , oalnd, L ec o e i P s te t d at the . office ofvvonsetmoi MINISTERIAL CHANGES. 1 tile tnotion of Mr. Rice, new writs were c . ) . e. election of a member for the perthern ( .. 11 ( 1,, L i0 the room of the Hight Hon. Edward . Cir e Sla ut ri li ~ • .. e, an or e ettY c).... Sit d • C• Hobhouse, who had accepts for Ireland. • °M:ON resented petitions from diffe ou tit , L. ~ pten pe hL , °L waterford, ac/amst the Irish . Dist RNNAnn brought in'a bill for amending t Was read a first time. ris4ilps presented a petition from Leicest( ti.. Disc Pre Bill. ' oens • measures ,v4zi op raying for the adoption of __ tv •ethe Sabbath, were presented by sir. r. ) a t os, Mr Ten bath, and other meinber, i: fn his e r Al n a . i t t n . ' cif,,,utia presented a petition from 51 m ) bee wVwcastle, stating that they had not i, i t 't for a single day during the last three,.( le that the house would adopt measures t tc74titile marin e of the nation, by which . 1 Ile tanl etiploymetit. The hon. membei a n from Shoreha praying for the repeal 1 I..,.s.ssurauce. 11; ie u_er,lttitk presented a petition from Plym r. it,. e..l.idtaent of the law of arrest. Leic jC sh p.i presented a petition from this ei tr, ',oereloti Bill. He observed that .. csaLa public meeting. It lay for . two w ?! needed IN) signatures. The getation . _ ,:: e Y his colleague in favour ot the bill. I : whNtle house and - did ot receive one sign Lich were atta h d n obtained by have 11 se to h c e were roe ()use. °Leer petitions presented, and the ho o'clock. ons were ue FRIDAY. :tre.4lo:',llPeloereaiker took the chair soon aftr 41 .• 1-Y6e took the oaths and forh vt i e s adc s a e at a e t pdetit -"laity for -ery tion of St. r oethwar m g the corpora nsel tut r k, prayin g to be heard by MI Ken e tain clause s of the London and Grcenv hterred to the committee on the bill. ° use waA• • eceivina other ied 111 r the chair ft: Sp P ea re k s e e r n ti th o: bf; .1,:. Wa3:nousea I ti ° h° ue met • - ------ m 111, 1.1 ''llu 7, , ~,aoned to hear the royal assentb_sg give O its r PEE. i return Lords 2eld 1 ... Put a question to Lord Althorp, to • is". bidea g o a t ' nat five o'clock, and convenient if the noble lord _w w o Lords to several ill a i resp eetfin _ e the lord intend to . proceed .1 g.' the reform of the Irish church 'ord A tilpif'1"1110111p 4b, e4 -e i s consequence of bringing on his 1 h t • k aa e l e of the late and present - Secretary "t atle e e Y and Sir ) but in th , 1.4 tNI 3of Ireland, h : -Le di, ° ght it so desirable 1 41 h. • NC" aware of the valuable ass 'iltLllytapei. to a vote on his ou iresolutions, that Iv I:4li , 4 4 ,'".4 ( c )Pc)se t ri llern in committee on Monday. L 4 an1111(1 th 'zENE RAL laid upon the _ i c a r t , Lord Irprisoh,eerlta'yv respecting debtor and s shotssZLL, groacce le notice, that shortly of t,„ 114 Puu4 s h Te °ve for leave to bring n a bill co 'NIA ° lent of bribery at elections for co s. r t ., D a , 13,-lear.) ird Lord A,L.„ slcanANcEs (IRELAND) BILL. t _ ; ko r • ' I TN ° "al be now ead, ' cli at ,len for a e n said that he r should p() . stpone 'h e 'ess, dis Nallzittee to inquire how tar the k .op,rat. eulty au , b embarrassment had be( e it „ to a 0 , , c( em ar 17 ssten ,Dbpli, as that d ' our present moneta the lvi lln , 9nd ti ia , ,” as an amendment _upon_ for t r e ?• 0 Itself i nto ord er order of the day be . read rt . 1141 % 1 1 14 1 4 A g oil e oi: L ',.nioving that the order of 1 !Inbet4tkt•raearelllllch of Ireland. (i d 1 tlis,o pittsil_ this not mean to deny the rigl 1 :::4:: : :: ::: : a c ommittee Courseat to th on ia sld m e) e .u r t.i o mc f riee ty , 11 -1, kp , use propriety of exercising it. . 1 1 11 ? 4, opthel„w?Pb said that he would fix his moi (IN- "ol4a-,lluerstanding that he would not le at th e e_ Lord's resolutions. )41.. conversation dropped, and the order o: a . orit• 1) . 4 4 th es was ua opinion of the great this . 11144 tl ti a te ss la ir w t . /11e , 11 1 , Jose to enter his protest agains 9tr ed 9 Nil. d9cidedly opposed to this bill. _ ,h, ) , ; d tai Istertal benches.) If any proof of Ni e b tlgh ht be found in the late election for 11 it k' e rY lat r creatibn of . g ernment itself, a NlitrekB4l.,.el the fact of a -o c v andidate being th ~,4 1 „ -et government would render him „ : ' 11 1: 1 .,' " ILB a . ,`; tliqor the's:l4M felt that some coercive mea ;IQ I ls Zt th e s'aitiad supported the princii i t in t . ' i ll i r de tli nk fr e c onviction as to the cour - _ , tila.rtare from oat the responsibility of establis el lig e :ritY of person and pror.lye of kt i... 4 t ( 11 41. tit ri , alolhe constitution. i le N tit t , lB bill tre e d i:goat of jod , s ubstitution of military Pst!ly 4kkeeioesg,l,l.a,lld jurors, —seeing a t an ; i th i e coin !)o(zktit'Lrltstits ItlZlflivthre ofinsti . tutiot e s ep in the.] i l ln e Y, Z 414 tteeracY thatupFar is o7 the ancient el . ' an amendment, "Tha c t o th ur l 1 1 . v alleci ,ilicialileestors of that aristocracy obtain l e . LI 3 1,,1g o f i -. r e tained . 41 ti • 'ill 1 as been by cruel penal 1 Pi tii 41 q i tritended as a prelude to the adopts Al. I.Pe ti l • tat lirita his house will rei 14r 8 nr ea 4, i s • nn ocent blood,—and suspectinj ,•,1, is 4. . it ( Ls I ' lli e sp tb k ., 4 y 31X IllollthS. d il li tgO of ti:_iteCOnded the amendment. i e .l l lte ati r r eie tt le to state on its journals any re 4 tio rl a ciN observed, that it was not accoi 4 I N tin, °ll ,Pt th?, 11 , 0 1 auy bill. He apprehende 11 . a, ~Le i nat c 'Lon member to move that he ttira "Ther fix.. ioll,„ other • , kotion were his own opinion . ti,'ber g ' s ; hers4,uut they could not, according i'en - en gbt ' k red - f the house, fo t h se of thg months. The . reasons ass. •ah very di ff Lun e t _ as those o . lw ,t. p ...anent Weelluds. ii t49 i i i L4 N said ;Pen put from the chair, W . / O h 1 % 11,-,4'Port coul d - ' e w words in support of ii A ll'xit - not b 11 td in the galls It e ani,„ oren t „ u the conclusion of reject -that ho oppo sed ecoec c ' 4 I n ' nlelnbe,.: the amendment, and rej( V lt igela ssi 6 Illeasore. 'uch feeling existed amo; tro -... °4 ° I some 1 11% ,:':' o v r e tj i te land. I\7 o Who voted in favour of ti len g t h ensued. On a divii or the PO I , eri galal ata`ea, qllestion "caelit 1110 till Majority • and was co ne i t (1 otly read a third time :I L:11-ttrt4t t i l t.I . : \ f ;: i t i ‘l i t ri l'e ; a ncix 1( 1 4 : ;r11)1.1 s i g j t: e liv e ( i e o l u d ii tit'4 a: ii e s 0.1,,._ 1 ,E sv•rApPotto ilitth,Ry BILL. ba of thisebill !tit. teorne couversatione l'inr7lia3lepd at a : n 0 Pro i t b e n the tetdheele2(i io bringingn' 77 readi ng loc .i kthl u , epa ehs r i t o l lfy e c th i , IN erne aaid, that as the iho-neoinurable gent Le4titki ,`.," 3 a•ti uuderstanding that the discusszo! It.:/I°sllPeorietrioautailhee attil (" No, no th„,e mit hoped the honour ble °entleman w° who Ifiiii/aed to delay till bill (Hear.) retri readin o o, f . the night, ii g■sk