The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser. — Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1833-04-09 00:00:00

"Well, you are well paid for r. Fairclo your vote," but took ° find out the man's name. Mugh, a can ' was at this booth with a man dressed as described - this bremie, and ark made, aat the precnd i that he se time replied, not know entioned, stated mere rom bi e_r _ . „ I would gi ve y ou w h at t hi s man got 'vote." Mr. Fai ee l oug h state d , that all he had given I °4 a ribbon f or hi s w if e folded up in paper. ft was to anothergentlem an p resent at th i s time that he ri buting very generally amongst the-voters about foot of the steps of this booth, a squib, issued by Sir 4 io Iglas's Committee, head e d " Church and King," zan urgent request to come up to the poll. Those 're about the size of a £5 note, and he (Mr. Foster) i v .„ery probable that Mr. Abercrombie mistook one of ' 3 ank note, and believed that the man had been „ as it, however, likely that any man could in such a " I given openly a Bank note ? Is the charge consistent 3e attempted to be proved, but which was shewn not • viz. —that the Committees of Lord Sandon °ward Douglas on the night before had come to t o give 2s. 6d, for half a day's wages to the free ' charges against Mr. H ors f a ll' s sons o f g i v i ng money although the specific time a'nd place were men tal . el early disp rove d , as were also the charges against :t,tb and his three s ons , p ar ti cu l ar ly 11 1 r. Bl ower I .., w as stated t o h ave bought a dog from a freeman to have given another freemen ss. Both these disproved, and, in short, every case brought ,e,re there was the possibility of adducing contrary 'roved, did not mean to deny that some trifling cases "ed• Indeed, in so large a population was it to be hat uo acts of imprudence would be committed. He g that Messrs. Hollinshead and Tetley's warehouse without the k now l e d ge or consent of . his 'masters, „pen 8 3, each as their,den full day's wages, and that a I T ale was to b e d run k amongst a party of men: this ' 0 hav e b een done at the man's own cost, and not ers, lie admitted, that Mr. G. Green, jun., had 'es at a public-house of 235. and 285., and that Mr. 4 11 d given three men Is. Gd. to drink his health after k Or would he deny, if such conduct could be called corration, th at M r . M'K ee, t h e plasterer, had ° 1 1. 1 1 84 - Qf his own m en , w h o were voters, h a lt a day's t,iine - they l os t i n go i ng to vote. The same, also, °mes and Son, the builders; also that Mr. Hal, ,; three Taco their half-day's wages, and 3s. Gd. each "'„„, ( ine of whi c h men had 'married an old servant in L ." respect to that interesting person, bothlt had becom e so notorious by her conduct befure and the House of Commons itself, ail he could `ii, to ,chat appeared in the p a p ers was , t h a t w h en she the Ccrnmittee after her lecture from the Sti lt refusedto tell who the person was at whose - " w the money in the child's hand. The Committee e-naed that the counsel for the burgesses should be at tc:? s s - examin e her, but that she should not be goes . one'point. It appeared from the best account of lv. st v , e rPoo, that she lived in a certain notorious house liv,,i e et, with a woman of the name of Clifford—that Sf w ith it man of the name of Massey, a smith, in the essrs. Fawcett and Preston, as his mistress. He iliolera last autumn. She was asked whether she was 4 •%2N - • and .11:‘ said she was. She was then asked whe - • w hich ,o , received th e money a ll owe d b y t h e Si c k l e belonged,. to bury him; and after much ego].- ,Upon tot e t last admit ted slie did not. She was then t a what church she was married to Massey, and cil,this her rage burst forth, and she declared i sl er to!i she did not come there to answer; it was !tit l enc n Liverpool, an d s h e wou ld no t answer an y t he it Hie committee could not quiet her wrath, • declared room, and as s oon as s h e got outsi d e t h e d oor Sr tll , accom anieci with souse oaths, that she did e v „ a : noose of Lords or Commons, and that she ta eau she would pull all their noses.. Mr. yos :in' since the death of - Masses' she had lived with a Ig e arn er Robinson, and though she displayed a ring ec..with great anxiety that it should be seen during l ° ll , he did not know whether she was married or . °Li ght , however, enough was secu of her to induce story to P-"ee no reliance ou her statements. In short, r Y t'vas made up for the occasion, and utterly void of 1 151a;i• .1• As „ pinall said that, having been prevented from le s ? a motion he had made. at the last special council, . 1 5r , 1•,, th e .. V . order, he now begged to move that reports of a att - t.''''es and Morning herald newspapers of the 28th r k „sh, c lbuted Cu Mr. Evart, one of the members for this and h ; ead, as well as a letter from the Mayor to Mr. 4.% heirs -8 answer. t gt m` i Yor'l t we w..i.ttter (continued Mr. Bailiff Aspinall) politely her t"aut Swart if he had manic such a speech. In 'CI had „" . ;, , t thought the report was stronger than any t had bee47n, bran he had meant to speak. His . oh- A tid a )e1 ) , to expose a system of rage; th principle Wa • ` ar iance with the spirit of the ; and this, et which P ! r fectly consistent with the hi.h individual wu t o, t et teniy-tor the members of the corpora .'" aLtd, - s - vitli perfect sincerity, for the mayor I f illa w il iWtight rose to state that the feelings of a ' cn. ~,4 , l'n he had a high respect had possibly been th s e °l l l , l - 8 1.11 1 4, , that fell from his . friend, Mr. Bailiff As -Ist r sPecial council; aud, as every thin that_ r . „,,,0014 now transpired, he was sure his friend, M . '''''' avait himself of that opportunity to state that, 'ili st atk i , e l " Mr. Bold was the only pensioner upon inani."'ealent of the corporation"- : -. " here observed, that he had said, " the only one, ' ht con tinued.—Be it so;• but knowing Mr. Aspin-' L ' il s' ' w as not to wound Mr.Bold's feelings, he was sure ? T el l,weuld t day make some reference to this re 'ah- w ell know: - why - Mr. Bold had not a church—the ' •,eld Itad been pfilled down, and he had been pro *sr The auxiouS desire of Mr. Bold to be employed .ht•atl was equally well known. !itlithen turned.to the subject of Mr. Ewart's speech, then er the report of it was true or it was nottru ,it Isere he had no hesitation in saying the assertions_ h od I ; fa4e, but if the latter then in that case, he tai..Alr. Ewart possessed any honourable feeling . he in' e a the earliest opportunity of rising in his place ll'eki remove as far as he could the foul he,stigriir irnd report, upon a body, any one of whomA as ho st , ert he did not compliment when he stated Olt) W riest and honourable as Mr. Ewart himself. He ipti,.., - ,a.8 no! one who could tamely submit to be called 'e cal on dishonestand dishonourable, without resent ass„aniny to the utmost of his power, and . he again . 'ro ll contained in the report were void of truth. 1 1 -4 a %tithe said that only seven of the incumbents (41.441erthe patronage of the Council, were related t, 1 91 i ^,., re - k, i t; 114,,‘ueen . - a T r ie asked what relative of a member-cirth-e-Coun ' ''ltf.Z.• tth,., - „ ea ndidate'for church preferment and had not.ob , pte 1 , "" "such occasions it was only natural that men, :tti ; .,,, ), ur their 1. 4 - 's• In, an e k e _ ve-atiNes. t ql r, m=lo.tver_• Saul that, upon one o occasion, he had voted t i.lit ,e t o the Xatielative, who was a candidate.. il l was, to aliti l was aware of that instance which was credi ,- Llllf to p l ibllC spirit of Sir 1 homas , ; but the general It ' u t tti r kid ertas fo r b a t relative, and he felt that he should do so i t 4 , l . l %lld e e e r h irl °Pl ll 4 ; . ll our . ne expressed himself highly indignant te bee to 4 11 T . e. ff wart.. . . the,'tt; hat that ' eil eral 'se• sa . id in much of this speech there was th ehur tt 41 tr) 1 3 rincyles,. and upon these he would not d the distribution L:'e w s e n Patr , t he part which reterre to wh• 4- ar'Y o ther -a Re he would say "It was false ;" and 1 ' e h he 4 4 ' . • the English language te s ,i could ,L .eug,er expression in 1 °IL . • des it, he would have made use of such i t 10' Alder to i , 1 . IP . 11 ,,,, Cit t he i a ;,1 ''',7 3 '_,la.ad asked the town-clerk if Air. Ewart 1 4„he ie 1..",-,' ei n )in i i - o ' il e g for a libel, and . would move that, with Ilit;ase of C o „Of counsel be taken. ' 00 1 o ft , ''Cirlinl oll —ate d, that to publish what passed in the , t i , _ ...,e . p ek ,. e 8 In S 4 °4 this a ` l ee t i atie n a l. Considered a breach of privilege, al nt °` every debate there was well known, 'k, . 441 i 4 ti ht eg a i t' a n st;'„ it had been decided, that no action could il l ''' d e ; Ilis -e op P i t u t i i 'erti — a tnenab r of that house for anything re have been spoken by him in his place q t kr,r not be susas, that the action suggested by Mr. Ley kil ..ls brother upeatrihtei.he L e k • k wart said tivained. AI tiisclahned d scarcely . had any communication gi e4 : Ilp on a 00 0.ny p er :: subject; that his brother had most 'top s remarks reile (r4esttal remarks he had motive in the V te hod , , .erred eac u in the House nf C . ommons • that Ititil,ee wit'h w tr iell he of l rely to the constitution . of the cor tk, is tetter t sPirit u elight faulty l and at in "twi this teso4 deo, 9 the Alav or the age • that he had declared di. aration to he . • If other' gentlemen would not hold 'orate' el ld with eve4l"re, he (Mr Ewart) could only say t!etl }hee would° h'.,esPeet for ' the members of t . o Of it, ._i-anSelf sav that for seven earsy he seh ton of 0 _ _ an, t h„ , ... f . • 4 4 fl u ' e h Pref." ef the m vv ... uuring this perm .d a relation or 1 -vant a -r reent a n . • as Certain of success in a contest tle,--it Iv ° ai n't any applicant who had not such as 1 °ul coasiiteiit with human nature that )1 -sa ,kb find Ab et , I h eard • t ,t ,ado , h a s t ti , vot noes„ri4 Pr o Ws d h v e4 by er"re th distal 3° 9 °M , foot ' w tt„ere il a t! o p° fr,, 48 l'er3 ~ • 4 b a I bee 05 Vas i th, f , give th e ` a oil f act va t rn o, , 4.4 4 „ en, ` t l• ai Tor' Voer e cli • 'Rbr mit b nea r * dtc," t( 1:01 )/V iler t ek ep e P r ove t hat /3 ti• "' 4 11, 1 , e4 V th 6 Wlthl rl3" 4 den 14 0 , of a j '4l ell to 14•7 13 Yers. 1 41 4 1 (2 01 . es v had 4 "r 4 (1 eo '•, fs ;ar rto Itt gie t i ) 115 ,10 t .I t e a ' 1 10 1 1 ea 5 ` btto ti4,lity r, ll er tea;) I:: itt" - "kit.te t ,, inter -q1 et i 5 h ' e e t° c h a to ,Ilet e lle t t 0 51 . '4 rraine, CY la" f t 44 th*eros. f t he lot!, Liar I l e° O je 4 0 4 tO th e eh t "h, tv -VI,1 1( gg La he / t fr f • whi ci , l •B ` l O i t s ite ` s ite 1 1 o t t j' i t at if ,1 , ) 0 6 , 4 Pon i 9 ~ayke r esli io 1 4 1 , 9er nel t th e d r? 11k Ler t h it e deei t , 'f" te tohe was it , t hat s', L r th e n svo " e t t lf,'e t 1) attol h th "g 'll 4 " r aeB t ' o ' r er • t 'll4 , ki • •atlift t A U• • ita,° in a f , 4 4, 1 4 , -1 (ler o r 04, 4 ail ilt l Nl , e d by ,c:te4 • U 't ), th. 4 10 he' *() ; ‘c e t ' sp,. or t 1 ; 1 ' O l r : W' k;"4l.i f) 4;k ' Pig t he W; I • Op e t k 4 41 1 ,„..t.th, A t. \ '' ,. r, re,) ' 4 4 f 4k iti kl Ati "r 4o li 1 , 5 111!i ll it I i :: 414 sa y th i ? t ,tl' lll ,..!e (1 ) , I ; \r k . t q(pelt t il , t v _ 141 ;1 b341" ?f L kl t i le4P! 1 , 1 th e * 6 ,ttL , A., as "ler P e 44hur, i I Ctr : uer t..IIIA;N THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD. such should be the case. The principle of their constitution was bad, and he could himself show it had been faulty in prac tice. His brother only spoke as to the principle, and in his re marks upon this he most fully and cordially agreed. Mr. Wright remarked Mr. Ewart was wrong in stating his brother only /spoke to the principle of the constitution of corporate body—he did not say such and such things might happen, but he gave the assertions complained of, as facts having already taken place. The Town-Clerk stated that the fault he found with Mr. Ew art's speech was that it was not warranted by the statements in the petition he was presenting to the house. That petition was for an alteration in the dock trust, and for that object alone. It was the result of the meeting of rate-payers to the dock es tate, which, the Council would remember, was held in the Cot ton Sale-room, after the appointment of Mr. C. Bourne to the office of solicitor to the dock trust. The petition contained no allegation whatever against the management of the corporation estate; not one word about their abuse of church patronage, nor any other of the charges brought forward by Mr. Ewart against the Common Council. It complained of the manage ment of the dock estate, and the preponderating influence of the corporation members of the dock conimittee. It stated complaints of the sale of lands from the corporation to the dock estate, (which, the Council would remember, were always m s ttde by the verdict of a jury,) and not, as Mr. Ewart stated, of the improper sale of lands to individual members of the Common Council. In short Mr. Ewart had taken advantage of this pe tition to introduce topics in no sort or manner connected with it. or justified by its contents. He (M r. Foster) always before this believed that when a member presented a petition he stated the contents of it correctly, but it would now be seen that a member could on presenting a petition for one specific object only, repre sent a totally different case to the House and the public, and he was sorry to say that he had heard such conduct applauded, and that Mr. Ewart was to be praised because, having' no other opportunity to express his sentiments regarding the Corporation, he had cleverly taken hold of this petition, and turned it to meet his purpose. Mr. Bailiff Aspinall said thatwith reference to what had been stated by Mr. Alderman Wright, as to his remark at the last special Council upon the Rev. Mr. Bold, he had to observe-he' was UNDER A DELUSION at the time, for he then thought.that Mr. Bold was a relation of Mr. liwart's,• which he now found was IRA the case. The Council then dissolved. POOR LAWS IN IRELAND. Yesterday a most respectable meeting, comprising the clergy, magistrates, merchants, bankers, and a large assemblage of gen tlemen, was held, pursuant to a requisition, at the Sessions'-house, CHARLES HORSFALL, Esq. , IllayoF'Of Liverpool, in the chair; who opened the business of the day.by stating, that he had called the meeting (in consequence of the requisition which had been presented to him, si names in by some of the most resp ec t a bl e in this great borough,) to take into consideration 'the•propriety of petitioning parliament to introduce a modified systein.of poor, laws into Ireland. • No. gentleman who had, given any- : attention to the subject would hesitate to admit that the present comli- ; lion of that chuntry loudly called' for this . ineaspre , which he had no doubt would be productive of the happiest results re storing peace and tranquillity in that distracted country. (Cheers.) . . . • The'requisition having been read by the Town Clerk, Mr. W. W. CURRIE rose to propose the first resolution, and said that the present was an occasion when all the friends of humanity were called upon to succour the distresses of Ireland. (Cheers.) If there was any . one place more than another fected by the want of a provision for the poor in Ireland, it was Liverpool, which was so intimately connected with that coun try • and nothing but a strong and then conviction of its neces sity,, would have-induced him to give an opinion on a subject on which the wise and the humane had differed. The poor laws had their origin in the necessity of succouring the aged and the. helpless, but they had been so grossly abused that many were of opinion that it would have been better to leave the necessi tous to the. hand of private charity. In this opinion he could not concur. (Cheers.) The redundant population of Ireland required some measure having a tendency to•create in them habits of industry, and a respect for the laws ; and, in the ab sence of any provision, the relief of a poor law was loudly called for in that country where no poor saws existed. Going into this question would also tend to produce a conciliation that no other measure would effect. While he advocated the introduc tion of these laws, he should 'strenuously insist upon its con taining some provisions for the empllment of the population of Ireland, for which there was at present no adequate employ- - meat. He thought that they would not be doing their duty, although he deprecated rash legislation on any subject, if they did not respecttullY urge the consideration of this subject on the legislature, as one that was mast likely to improve the condi tion of Ireland, and concluded by moving the first resolution.— (See Advert.) Mr. Jas. ISOURNE seconded the resolution, and expressed his ' sati,faction at seeing the extreme suffering and uistress that pre vailed in Ireland brought under their consideration. Mr. 'TAYLOR had nothing to say- in opposition, but rose to support the resolution, although he thought that Mr. Currie had. rather too strongly stated the abuses of the poor laws in Eng.: land, although there might have been great malversations of those laws, still, as a whole, they had been a great blessing to the country at large. (Cheers.) For ages we had been pro tected from the hands of lawless violence ; every man's house was his castle, and Our streets were undisturbed; all this was the result of a comphlsory provision that did not leave the poor man to the horrors of destitution. Notwithstanding the evils that attended the poor laws, it was their duty to recommend the adoption of them in Ireland, and the good part of any institu tiou was not to be rejected, because it might, by possibility, be abused. In Ireland they had no poor laws, in England they -had existed for a long time, and in the one country peace and prosperi:y had gone hand in hand, and in the other disorder and confusion had prevailed. Ile knew of no country that had not a provision of some kind or another for its poor, either by the means of convents, or some other charitable institutions, and he was persuaded, that the poor laws of England, notwithstand ing all that had been said against them, were a great blessing to the country. The resolution was then put and carried. Mr. JAMIESON said that the gentlemen who had been instru mental us assembling the meeting, had done him the honour to desire he would propose the next resolution, thinking that his residence for some years in Ireland, had afforded him opportu nities of possessing information upon the subject. He yielded willingly to the request, because he had always thought that where a subject of public concern becomes matter of public discussion, it is the duty of every man to aid if in his power the general deliberation. Feeling that no one was exempt front the obligatioa, no matter how humble his station or still more hum ble his ability, he was manifesting his sense of this duty in a case in which of all others the magnitude of the subject and the weakness of the speaker would excuse a departure from it. He insisted on the excellence of the principle of poor laws as according with the precepts and spirit of Christianity. Every feeling humanity, every sympathy of our nature, forbids, that any human being should he allowed to perish for waut.of food, orbe left helpless and unaided the victim of infirmity and disease. It was unnecessary to dwell upon the policy and ex iency of these laws as sustaining the price of labour. Where there was no legal provision for the poor, a redundant supply of labour influenced Wages in the same proportion inversely as a scarcity in the supply of grain, or other prime necessary of life operated on price. But if poor laws existed the effect was the, same as that of an excessive supply of any ordinary commodity upon the market price. (Hear, hear.) There was then ,the positive justice of the claim of the poor. The frame of all society was conventional; and upon the clear est principles every man willing to work, but unable to procure it, was entitled to a subsistence. The observations made by the last speaker, as to the benefits which poor laws had been to England, was fully confirmed by the very remarkable fact, that since the time of their enactment up to the present moment, although there had been numerous instances of abuse and mal administration, and though the assessment had been grievous and unequal, vet there had never been a single petition to either house of parliament for their repeal. Mr. Jamieson then re ferred to the state of Ireland, and . contended, that so far from the formidable objections which were alleged to exist against extending poor laws to that country, it was' the very measure which, more than any other, would confer the mostimportant benefits upon the Irish people. The evils of Ireland, the out.. rages which disgraced, and the suffering endured by the pea santry, were chiefly owing to the bad system observed in the letting of land—the destitution of the unhappy peasantry -was greater than could be described, and chiefly owing to absen teeism, or rather to the conduct of the absentee proprietors, for there was one in particular, the Duke of Devonshire, who had • an income of £60,000 to £70,000 a-vear in the south of Ireland, and no country in the world could furnish a better or more re spectable tenantry. It was proved before a.committee of par liament, that no tenant upon his. Grace's estates had ever been implicated in any lawless disturbance, or, in seasons of distress, had been a recipient of public bounty. The Duke of Devon shire was indeed a most beneficent landlord, but he was the ex ception, not. the rule. In the county of Limerick there was a parish owned by an absentee peer, and in the year 1822 of three hundred freeholders, tenants of his lordship and entitled to vote, over two hundred and fifty .of them had been re, turned by the Protestant and Roman Catholic •clergy as being its imminent danger of perishing of hunger, . It was alt most unnecessary to add, that this. noble individual was a con spicuous and determined opponent of poor laws. (Cries of " hear, hear," and " name." " Lord Limerick.") The scene of human misery which ensued from clearing a farm in Ireland was heartrending . in the extreme.' The wretched hovel un roofed; the starving inmates thrown upon the road-side, with out food, shelter, or home. Alas ! for them there was no home. (Hear, hear.) Was it strange, then, that there should be out rao•es ? It was a struggle for existence. Mr. Jamieson next reterred to a 'poor law as affording • relief merely to the sick, aged, and impotent. Ile woutd.never be a party to such a half measure. On the score of humanity, was not the able-bodied man, unable to procure-employment, and with the keen sense of hunger, a more pitiable object than the confirmed invalid ? How long would the able-bodied man, destitute of food, be saved from' disease? Was it not wise, by a little provident succour, to prevent his becoming incurably helpless, and per manently burdensome. (Hear, hear, hear.) But it was not upon these grounds that he chiefly relied. Any. system of poor laws extended to Irelaird would want the main feature of utility, unless they gave a right to subsistence, for by no other means could . the interest of landlord and tenant be identified.— (Applause.) The various projects for bettering Ireland were idle and ridiculous. Employment by means of public works was spoken of; but hoiv could a temporary expedient or stimulus cor rect a seated and permanent evil ? And as to ernigratfon, it Might be important to remind the meeting, that the district of Ireland, from which the starving peasantry chiefly flocked to this country, was actually more thinly inhabited than many parts of North America. It was preposterous' to say that Ivor laws could not be administered in Ireland. It. was not for a public meeting to go into details, but if Ireland possessed (as was un deniably the fact) the two great elements of wealth—land and labour, the one fallow, the other unemployed, surely it w as for an enlightened legislature to* enact such a measure as w o uld combine both, and . give to the lanouring poor a subsistence.— Mr. Jamiesouthen insisted on the necessity of assimiL2ting . the law in the two countries; not only as p ro L c ti ve o f th e English labourer, but as giving the Irish people an interest in the obser vance of the laws. It was the absence of a legal provision for the poor of Ireland, that made a willing ear be given to the agi tator and imendiary—to him who would prompt to crime and outrage. The Irish peasant 'is in a situation to adopt the des. perate advice of Romeo to the ATothccary " Art thou so bare and full of wretchednes, And fear'st to die ? Famine is on the cheeks : Need and onpression stareth in thine eyes : Upon thy back hangs raged misery : The world is not thy friend, - nor the world's law, The world affords no law to make thee rich ; Then be not poor, but break it There was an immeasurable interval between the rich and the poor in Ireland; the higher classes stood upon an eminence, but it was not the . pinnacle, of happiness and security; it was the brink of a precipice. He entreated the meeting to adopt th e measure proposed, as essential to the peace, welfare, and happi ness of the Irish people. (Hear, hear.) He then moved the 2nd resolution.. Mr, Alden:inn WRIGHT, in rising to second this resolution, felt it quite unnecessary to trespass long on the notice of the meeting, particularly alter the very eloquent and feelbsy man- Ler in which it had been brought forward by his friend Mr. Jamieson. Ile would not, however, let this opportunity , pass, without expressing his intire concurrence in the necessity of a modified - system of Poor Laws for Ireland; being perfectly convinced that it was the'only means of destroying that other great curse to prosperity—absenteeism, andhe feared not, but it :Would cause the rich landowner to remain on his estate, and there expend the money, which is now too cnten siit‘i,lered in foreign lands.—Another misery, will, by this ii.eaes be re moved—a misery that he and every magistrate who has sat in this building have too often witnessed. lie meant the fact of the old and poor Irishmen s who, after a Inng life of hard labour in this country; his strength gone from age, and of course, no means left of procuring a livelihood, is on the very verge of his 'existence, passed off, to die in that country, where no prtss vision is made for his infirmities.—Under these circumstances he most heartily seconded the resolution. (Much cheering.) Mr. VIGNOLES had, as one of the Government Engineers in Ireland, seen much of that country, and considered tLat the sole cause of the sufferings of . the Irish, was the conduct of the su- ' perior towards the lower classes of that community. One of thc benefits of the poor laws in England was, that if compelled the •rich-to find employment for the poor. The improvements of public roads had generally arisen from parishes and towns taking up these works for the sake of employing the poor, and it was very common for gentlemen to implove and ornament their domains for dm same object. (Cheers.) In Ireland a magnificent palace was frequently approached by avenues that would disgrace St. Giles's. In England, females were frequent ly found associating together for the purpose of improving cot tage economy and. extending...the . blessings of civilization. (cheers.) Ile had lately travelled through Ireland, and had observed that wherever the landlord cousu!tel the happiness and good of his tenants, there he saw th e t e n an t s qu i e t an d or derly ; and were a contiary line of conduct was pursued, there he also saw the reverse. (Loud cheers.) A single guinea was frequently taken by a gentleman, from a poor man, for permis sion to build a hovel near his gate, and twenty or thirty guineas were frequently so obtained. • In 'illustration of the good feel irig that kind treatment created, a relation of his (Mr. V.) held a rectory in the comity of Kilkenny, we understood, who ex pended his income in improving his estate by draining bogs and bettering its condition—on . this estate the tithes were voiunta rily paid by the. poorest man in the parish. (Cheers and liver!) There could be no doubt that until the rich were compe.lcd to provide for or find employment for the poor, he was convinced that there was no other mods, of tranquillizing Ireland. . Dr. Coat:Nis, - in a speech of considerable force, supported the resolution, and in the course of his speech said, that there was nothing in existence that was not liable to abuse, and God for bid (said this gentleman) that because an abuse had or might exist in the poor laws, that they should on that account be re fused to Ireland. (Loud cheering.) • Mr. GALE (an Irish gentleman) came forward, although be was not an inhabitant of Liverpool, to give the proceedings his support. He had resided in Ireland, and he found that it was in vain: for him to relieve the distresses of the people ou his own estate, WhoM he frequently saw without a rag to cover them, unless the system 'was generally adopted. The persons most affected Would be the great landed propriet ors • all the agita tion that had prevailed in Queen's County and' the adjacent connties had occurred on the estates of absentee proprietors. In advocating the introduction of a system of poor laws, he should be sorry to see the burden , thrown upon the resident far mers, but should prefer seeing it imposed on real property. The small farmers were rising by stow degrees. atd he should regret seeing them thrown back to the state of the poor cotter. The resolution was then put and carried. - Mr. T. B. Houssann said, he felt somewhat reluctant to move the resolution, which had been placed in his hand, from the circumstance of his not having given the subject of the present meeting that consideration which its importance de manded. Ile had, however, given it su ffi c i en t cons id era ti on to make him differ from the gentleman who had last addressed thp meeting. He did not agree with hint, that we were bound to look up.cm the question entirely as au Irish question—for whilst he would ycild to no man in ardent attachment to the Irish people—he yet felt, that as Brawls, we were bound also to look at the question, as it bore upon the interests of Eng land. (Cheers.) In looking at the question as regarded Ireland-.-sit had struck him as a singular fact, that whilst the height of distress was raging amongst the Irish peasantry — provisions to the amount of somemitlions of pounds v al ue , had been exported to this country. He envied not the feelings of that man, who could sit revelling in wealth—with thousands of acres of land lying dormant for want of cultivation, and yet allow the surrounding peasantry to be destitute of woik—des titute of food—destitute of health and .strength, and almost destitute of life. If (said Mr. H.) no sense of justiceno feeling of humanity, could induce the Irish landlord to make a provision for the poor of his country, it then ' became the duty of-the British people, it became the duty of the British Senate to endeavour to procure for them by law, what the seered conscience of humanity had refused to give. (Cheers.) In looking at the question generally, he had heard but of two main objections to the establishment of Poor Laws.—The first was, that they dried up the springs of private benevolence.—The second, that they were an encouragement to idleness. He would examine the force of the first objection by looking first to Eng land, where poor laws exist, and then to Ireland, where there .were none.- - Was there, he would ask, an appeal ever made to British hearts, which was not readily responded to? Were our manufacturers distressed—and were they not relieved ? Were infirmaries or hospitals wanted—and were they not pro vided? Where societies established for visiting the sick, and wire they not supported ?—And last, though not the least fea ture in the case, was Ireland distressed, and was England back ward to relieve her ? (Cheers) I I e would now turn to Ireland, where no such laws exist. It was a fact that, with some honour • able exceptions, appeal after appeal was made in vain to the rich and to the noble of that land—their poor flock to this coun try for Snpport —Their hospitals —their religious societies, and even their very clergy were . at this moment almoners on the bounty of England, (Cheers.) He trusted they should hear no more of poor laws drying up the springs of private benevo lence. The second objection was, that poor laws were au en couragement to idleness. He did not doulif that poor laws im properly adminiStered would be so ;—but it was impossible that poor laws properly administered could be so. The first step to ~he. taken after providing some temporary relief for the sick rand aged, must be, as had been already suggested, to find employment for those who'were able and willing to work. The infirm, he was sure, would soon cease to need relief; for the heart of an Isish peasant was like the heart of a British sailors —he would share his last shilling with his relative, his comrade, or his friend. It was the utter destitution of work, combined with the utter destitution of religious principle, which Was the greatest curse of Ireland;—it was this which was the cause of those dreadful scenes of anarchy and confusion which were overwhelming the land, and it was this, which if not speedily remedied, would be the curse of E n gl an d, an d th e ru i n o f I re . land, (Cheers.) One word with regard to the interests England and he had done. It was a fact, that so long as poor laws exist in England and none in Ireland, that an actual pre mium was held out to the Irish paupers to flock to England - for support. It might speak well for the bounty of England, but he would ask was it just, —was it honest towards the mdustrioul classes in this country that they should be taxed not only far support of their own, but of the Irish poor likewise. (Cheers.) He would not trespass further on the attention of the meeting, amongst whom he felt there was an unanimous feeling in call ing upon the legislature of the country to give this subject their earnest and most attentive consideration. (Cheers.) Mr. Horsfall then read the third resolution. Mr. S iruPirEan, seconded the resolution although he disa greed with the Mover in some parts of it. As an Irish land lor he did not think that the whole blame was attributable to the landlords. An Irish landlord frequently let a n - es t a t e o f 100 acres, which was divided.into smaller lots by hiateuant. During the continuance of the forty-shilling freehold system, the subdi vision of land had been carried to i great extent for the pur pose of increasingparliamentary influence. In introducing poor laws into Ireland he thought that they would do sufficient if they adopted that part of, the statute which provided for the im potent and aged liar tof the poor. Such was the characteristic benevolence of the Irish peasant, that he would share his last potatoe with any passing stranger who might enter his cabin and claim his hospdallty. After some other observations Mr. S. concluded by strongly recommending the adoption of the reso lution. (Cheers.) Lieutenant Moitalsow said, that land was always in great demand in Ireland, that landlords were .never at a loss for tenants, and he wanted to know how it was that the Jandloids did not prevent this sub-letting, which had been so much complained of? • M a r. GALE (in explanation) said, that the leaseX frequently contained a clause forbidding any under-letting, but that after it had been done, contrary to his knowledge or consent, the landlord out oT humanity cad not reject the under tenant, as he had a clear legal right to do. • Mr. MORRISON (in continuation) said, that there might be exceptions, bukstill it was clear that they did not generally act upon the rule. He was convinced that there was not a per son in the town of Liveipool who would consent to - suspend the poor laws in Lancashire, even for one year; were it done he would not undertake to underwrite policies on the ships that Were now safely floating in their docks. • The poor laws might be liable to abuse but they were productive of a general good to the community. (Cheers.) ThiS resolution was then car ried unanimow ly. Mr. Alderman CASE had been requested to move a resolution, and as a magistrate of the' town he thought it his duty. te.attend for the purpose of doing so. He could see no coed reason why Ireland - and' England should not be govei ued by the' same sys tem as to theprinciple of a poor law. They did not wish to in troduce poor laws into Ireland, burthened•with the abuses that crept into the administration of them in England. 'The uses of the poor laws might be separated farm those abuses. The worthy Alderman,'after some other observations to the same effect, concluded by moving the fourth res,oution, which was seconded by Mr. Alderman Porter. The resolution having been carried, Mr. Alderman Writ lit moved that Mr. Bonnie do take the chair, which was . also carried. Mr. Heyworth moved a resolution of thanks to the Mayor, (which was carried by acclamation, amidst the loud cheers of the meeting). His Worship expressed himself highly gratified and flattered by the compliment paid him by his fellow-townsmen. LANCASTER ASSIZES. GREAT WILL CAUSE.—TAIIIA AI V. WRIGIIT.—This impor tant cause, the object of which was to determine the ,validity of the will of the late J. Marsden Esq., of Ilornby-castle, which was disputed by' Admiral Tatham, the heir-at-law, and the. plaintiff ig this action, came on for trial at Lancaster, 'adore Mr. Baron Gurney and a special jury, on Tuesday morning last. Mr. Marsden died in 1826, at tiro. age of 78, leaving the manor of Hornbv and other estates in dispute tg,Mr. Wright, his steward, the defendant in thiS action. During his long life Mr. Marsden had the uncontrolled.management of his estates, which were greatly improved in value, uu(L:r the st.perintend ance of his steward, and :no question was ever raised ai to his: capacity, until his decease and the production of his will, in which'part of his _property was left to Mr. Wright: ne ques tion was tried at York about three years ago, «ud elided in a verdict • for'the defendant, thereby' establi.,iiing the validity . of the The present action was brought to set aside that ver dict, on the ground of additional evidence. Sir James Scarlett, who had been specially retained, led for the plaintiff, and Mr. Pollock for . the defendant. The cause occap:ed the court from Tuesday to Friday, when it came to a sudden and unexpected conclusion. Mr. Pollock, who was endeavouiinw to prove his case, was about to.put in thewill, for the purpose of being read. Sir J. Scarlett objected to its being read, observing • that the will was signed by three witnesses: two of their were dead; but Mr. Proctor; the third witness, was still alive, and his evi dence was the best as to the identity of the instrument; and until he was examined the will was not admissible. A long argument ensued on this point, and, Mr. Baron .Gurney ruling in favour of the objection, the jury, under his lordship's direc tion, found a verdict for the heir-at-law, damages one shilling, and.costs forty shillings; a verdict.the exact reverse of the one found at York. This sudden and unexpected termination of this far-famed cans; created,. in one of the must crowded courts we ever saw, the greatest surprise, and disappointed hundreds who were anxious to hear what would be the evidence adduced on the part of the plaintiff. The ease, however, is not yet de cided. The point on which it went off may yet be argued in the Court.of - King's Bench, upon the bill of exceptions; and, should Mr. Baron Gurney's decision .be confirmed there, it will, most likely, be carried, by appeal, before the House of Lords. The proceedings on the remaining indictment, arising out of the alleged riot at Clithero, having been abandoned, and th e 'other Kendal tithe cause having been made a reutanet, the case above reported terminated the business of. these Assizes. TOPS AND MOUSE-TRAPSI "The Top is a subject which a great Liverpool Philosopher does not consider beneath the patronage of his mighty genius." —Fiddle-de-dee. t' We shall not waste a word on small wits, but leave them to enjoy their sneers, or to indulge in The loud laugh that shows the vacant mind.' " —Hum's Lecture on Humming-tops. . _ We have been highly delighted with perusing an • ac count of the extraordinary performances of one of our learned contemporaries with his Top, and we now lament that we have never turned our attention to the philosophy of Top-spinning.—ln our boyish days we recollect having recourse to Tops, as a favourite relaxation from our abstruser studies, and well do we remember certain in flictions on the antipodes of our Top, for spinning it too frequently, and at times which the Schoolmaster, who was not then abroad, thought ill-timed, but all this hap pened when we enjoyed " The loud laugh," and never dreamt that it showed " The vacant mind." Although we cannot afford to keep a_ file of the Penny Magazine, and do not possess the advantages of having studied natural philosophy at a mechanics' institute, .and are, moreover, too poor to turn a Gloucestershire cheese into a humming-Top for the benefit of the curious in Tops, we cannot quietly consent to be outdone by our con temporaries. We therefore announce to our readers that " On the first of April, 1834, we intend to deliver a lecture on the Natural History, Anatomy, Pathology, and Physiology of the Mouse Trap. That this lecture may be every way worthy of the serious and undivided attention of the curious in Mouse Traps, and of the learned world generally, it is our intention, in the mean time, to consult all the authorities; (both ancient and modern,) that have written on the subject; and it is also our fixed determination to attend a course of lectures at The London University, and all the Mechanics' Insti tutes from John o'Groat's house to the Land's End. The public of Liverpool may therefore depend upon a rich treat ; and that the subject may be properly illus trated, we have engaged the services of ,Mr. Heath to su)ply us with engravings from draWing,kiilready in our possession illustratiNA of this interestin4 subject. .