The Sun. — London, England, 1847-05-08 00:00:00

' OW' k , Mr. of the rxiL_, o V VJv ovi- ;ersilY This ced to v , WO detail uld be CriPPS :ILSE a.ND ;WV/ voters. asgow , s tand discus terest- e una to ar imittee ? d that 11 con outset. their Clyde, three b y the what liiway any to to an coma - I from c self /a" ntageS ticulat l atural tments °thing eternal istinc• ml and g w ith es, the ; - ed, of , i from tAsnesi I corn al'. :ted to e, s' id the in the Tole oCS Ile 1, the :ard to 7 w ere 3.0001 ey ious •eatest rsb ire Le nit' The 5 was a Bill ff ° 131 sick, through the valley of the Esk to Langholm A N , ,th,e line Th e u gi t. C ulisle, whence the line itied the Caledonian. tents were generally good. The country between and the Caledonian was of an impassable character. i l u are was rather a steep gradient to the west of Netherby, th e that route was pursued in contequence of re quest of Sir James Graham. Ilis property rlatioe ,ase .traversed for about eleven miles, and lie supported The independent station at Carlisle, near the market, was likely to be a very importam: accommo %n to the town—the general terinlnus was already email r ' i 'h• The character of the country between Hawick . an in his opinion, justified the cnnstruction a . d er , P °r tion front LangSohn to Carlisle would principally „"eud on local traffic • but without that link he did not think line felptapany would :nake a line down to Langholrn. The rnm illw ick to Ca , lisl'e would be hest worked by the same Ed l i n •, l • l 3' that possessed . the line to the north of that up to 'lr"irgh, as there the main source of traffic arose by the it!.:lct_on. of the line with Selkirk, Gahishie.s, &c. letlenia„`it-IBLEN cross-examined the, witnesses for the Ca- The C u ' otatnittee adjourned till Tuesday. C AtA, di " 4-LT UTTEES ()it PRIVATE BILLS Thi s ,-, s •I'ANSEA DOCKS. evil ‘ A mmittee up to its r i s i ng was engaged with hearing : n ee on b e h a lf of this scheme. No decision was given. 'IRKENIIEAD COMMISSIONERS DOCK ACTS Thi s r, AMENDMENT. Ca AMENDMENT. met again yesterday at 12 o'clock ; 1.,t1 e rayter in the chair. W a ft. O bject of the Bill is to construct a sea-wall along dav i i!•Y 1)0 01. Th e p ream bl e h as b een p as sed; but several with`,ave been occupied w ith th e c lauses of the Bill, and th e e 4r iaas amendments; which were not completed when °Mtnittee rose, at four o'clock, until Monday. S 'l' ING ORDERS COMMITTEE. Th• . I ANCHESTER. AND SOUTHAMPTON- . Bill • rnitte e wag thrown out by the Standing Orders Corn- Pro ved , sterf! ut the secrim - is. av, several material mistakes having bein L PA KLI 21. - I - V1 EN T Pm Th HOUSE OF LOUDS, May 7 . eFire o'c LO IoeRD Crie cE Leon took his seat on the Woolsack at k. st es N • Tets engers f rom the Commons brought up severa l Bill s, 'deb were ordered to lie an the table. esPIOOB. RELIEF (IRELAND)—COMMITTEE. jorirt(roletietntilhien .:otion of the Marquis of LANSDOt‘ NE, t e Ilejt r ° I the day for resuming the eon-ideration of th . e Poor Committee was read, and their Lordships went rnmittee. , 0 T ile Earl of CLANCARTY wished to ask a question in been eseaion with what had falle n from a Noble Lord. It had ,_ said that the accommodation in unions and workhouses Ras such that out_ accommodation relief would be very little required. He tetal:s:frlthoef BCillal,ntehaertcy)oniberngig:d to ask whether, under the 4th io ntoer,sh:v,ere to support•a relieving °face r who should have nothin g peed e Marquis of CLANRICARDE said the clause was ex _fi.tngly simple ; it gave the Commissioners power to ap -4! I t p r re perso es to dissense relief in particular districts. Ont. resn!s.alief was only intended to be given under special cir trerices.-.—(Hear.) For instance, where impotent poor dispenset _dEoarreilief, it would be necessary to appoint persons to the necessary relief. The Earl of CLANCAR TY then proposed the omission of tind er • a use, which provided for the relief of destitute persons ernpowPeeuliar circumstances, and the substitution of another, Pitals. .r_eing the C ommissioners to construct and aid fever hos tia, relies said his object. was not to curtail the means of substan cia;;:lw' Who to those who stood in need of it, but to protect another :i timinegin o, would be much injured by the Bill as it stood, of froJa'ntr industrious persons for whom the medical charities. ... er were established ; by the aid of such institutions fit st l i t s°os would be afforded relief until they were in In er . 4 e to labour for their subsistence.—',Hear, hear.) Z,r °posing this amendment, he was testing the desire of the eudlisur_tirnent to afford relief to the Irish people through the Wow s ut of a Medical Relief Bill. The present Fever Bill urcest ternainate in November, and therefore he wished to sinsilaraPntin the Government to promote a measure for a 4t e i i s esn s ur Pose. which might come into termi nstied : thus thee might lay the foundation of th ou t rnedeal charities in Ireland . It was because he , e ght the clause would interfere With these charities that .1 hrOep?rd its omission. ,valtsciben_etaoapreqruatisionof. LANSDOWNE said that he thought it se , , e essary that the claus e s ho u ld remain in the Bill for its 4, 1- ; 1 7,,d 113 N TEAG LE said, that as far as the Bill was in lays, h u e to be a practical remedy for the working of the Poor thesaet,ritalteht the amendments should be of a permanent tarfilhfte, E;rlof WICKLOW said, that the vote to which they 11 4d _ ' a n night limited the operation of the whole Bill as, he e,ttaerstood, to 1 848. But in fact the whole matter was in such te of confusion, that no two men could agree as to the na 4iSeeaor effe c t of the vote which they had come to last night.— ‘1 rr.. hear, and cheers ,chased MONTEAGLE denied there w as an y con f us i on el f v er, unless the confusion of ideas of the .Noble Earl him ftilThe Marquis o f LA NSDOWNE said that after a most care vaetonsideration o f the vote last night, it was difficult to say e,!, part of th e B ill was to be temporary and what part per 4nent, _Af t er a few words from Lord INIONTEAGLE. oft l r G REY said h e per f ect l y comprehended his amendment biees i e _ ve ning ; it w as to ma k e the Bill a temporary measure. t o e Noble Lord had given notice of amendments applying sec ( P ar t,s merely of the Bill, and these to e eine 7 hese parts permanent. The Noble Lord now p ressedpthe h s bvilat,ntthacierndents to night ; exhibiting that his object last nu t i t . i l l ' l t a b is e p l i s t i e llat e i v ts er e v arliest course. He was successful,. pular este of manmuvre was too high in the po .Essi er n that it should fail. N ss FIT 7 WILLIAM disapproved of the course of the °futi Earl's remarks ; for it was very possible that, on a Bill ere sole,al import Noble Lords might differ, and differ; consei esse°,uslY• The Bill was evidently affected by last night , amend b s ','' in vvhole s It bad been determined that the Bill should Lord MONTEAGLE disclaimed the imputation, and that i- Itli uded th e i r L or d s hips he intimated last night hi s wish t o mak e t h e genera l Bill temporary Earl ST. GEE MANS it due and parts of it perm anen t. to himself to say that he uistin c tly understood the Noble frltt Lord to have intimated as ratich last night. Lord CAMPBELL said the clause would be a new source of difficulty, and would admit of so many diff eren t interpreta tions that a judge find it most difficult t o arr i ve a t a de tiths. He hoped his Noble Friend would consen t to pro- Pose w the clause merely temporary one. as a Lord MONTEAGLE declared that the meaning of the clause might be easily interpreted. The Marquis of CLAN RICARDE said the amendment promote the confusion which had been already intro duced at into the Bill. The Earl of CLANCARTY consented to propose the clause a temporary erne. Afte r a few words from the Marquis of WESTN . IEATH, ItlLisord STANLEY said the Noble Marquis opposite (the .d Mar a - , s of Lansdowne) had expressed a wish, sa e th e ie b h us h in e es s a ai wi w th. . u ' e rY near his heart, that they should comm . en rti -tl i t any unneeessary conversation. He n woLld ne no b t. y ad a O n t y o d th e e . seiner that might already have been Initory conversation which might have taken e p ia l u ae ,e e , . an d would confine himself to the sat .. . e Would not put their Lordships to the trouble of dividing u Pen the amendment if it did not appear to meet with their ~°ttetirrence, but he believed that if it were adopte N d h it l would 5 found to have a most beneficial effect. The s o e L fo lt s° dee by mov i ng that the follow i ng c l ause b e su b st i tute d r elu clause enacted, that in every eleetora! 4il isiiin of each union there shall be a relief eommittee ; which reli e f Zsid co mmittee shall consist of the guardians such u l uion di iZ ent of or having rateable property within such electora en, together with the (two) highest ratepayers therein, not shall n g gliardians of such union ; and every such committee . IL P 5 board on some day other than that of the meeting IY uardians ; and every such relief committee ish o :'"a h ; e i u t i a w ll e y't)k i ele g ct a chairman ; and every relieving officer su c h 8 '" be appointed as hereinbefore directed, shall at ea se o l ee klY meeting report to such relief committee any as shall , thider be, or urgent nee essity, and shall have an order signed by the chairman, or such person pro tempore, acting as chairman, of such re -Inr,t, committee, to give provisional relief in such case of , - "'en arid urgent necessity, either by an order of -11 'ssion l' to the wor k souse or f ever h osp i tal of the union, pro be roo m th ere i n respect i ve l y , an d b y convey i ng any eestitute poor person thereto, medical mediate necessary, or by aff or di ng suc h Poor person immediate and temporary relief in f o od, l o d g i ng , or att endance, until the next ordinary meeting of the board of guardians, at which meeting he shall report the case, and the nature and cost of the relief so afforded, in such form a nd manner as the Poor- law Commissioners shallprescribe, and after such report shall give no further relief seso otherwisethan reported t by direction of the board of guardians in the and the guardians of the union shall furnish fu e n a t d h s e forchairman a ff odi n of such relief committee with ne for ne t c h e e ssary relief of those destitute relief in manner aforesaid, relief shall be granted by the board of Poor persons to whom guardi a ns, at such l t i tm de r e ,t e s er a m nd in i e n a s n u d ch dir m ec a t n . t , irr as the Poor-law Commissioners 114liaorTurias shall a L A N S D O W N f E h hoped er x i the ai est Nobl eGovernment.Lor(l w ould leave the matter in the hands o He thought the object of the of large Noble Lord ioourndmnis to appoint baeppjatin attained com mittees ' nedbs enabling boards of guardians of their own bodies to exercise the check which he re quired. Lord STANLEY said that the proposition oftheZ e o si b (, le Marq u i s was so nearly what he himself previously had proposed, that he had no difficulty in acquiescing in such an arrangement. After a fee words from the Marquis of LANSDOWNE, Lord STANLEY said the only object which he had in view Was to give the board of guardians ar. intermediate control public interests over the re li ev i ng officer, in order that t tight be protected. t..lause 6 was then agreed to, and ordered to stand part of the Bill. On clause seven being read, Lord BROUGHAM considered that ithesnlnantitbuedeenmgreanso wtedeil to pau pers was by far too great, they wto °a. as obe env i e ' by the landlords. His d great obj to see, ect iontothe ,„,the m ' e ashie arose trom the fact of his being unable -a y in wlsi c h it was t o be carried out. The Government did not follow the old principle, of resting while they were in the as e jf 1.. ; but they said, " because we ares w o .m let ';aughter ) Because we do not see our s , alone,l:nitsusgodonsnL—e -4' It was often rated he" e h t i o t lute dent h very a o ri ft n e o n t tn qu u i e t i e , Iv because Orse • The more he considered the question, theressed with the necessity of Government n l t c l it e s i e n nt . te o r r f e er h in e g wa in a Tinanner which was proposed to do by the c a . O t%ght; ''' °r d LANSDOWNE said that the Act did . h n t ot r e i o se n , fe a r n a d to relief. Individual eases of hardship e s ,IY way to remedy it was by leaving th n r tg eg h l e it a p to on r r e l l a ie w f 'retionary in the poor-law guardians anti t Commission( rs Chines 7 a n d 8 were t h en agree d t o. clause 9, hi ta a rl FITZWILLIANI moved the amendment, of which he ahu.tEllaogrrltiv,Geetrit.Efinocteiere., to the effect, that the surrender of the quarter acre should take place to the landlord, or someproperly is Nobleit Ei.Y.ries,adid tha r t po t r h t e ed prin th c a lp t al if cla a use as proposed were b b y , tenant and a I)ossession of a underlihouse,ur r en d e the r l , t e h „ P s o:o h : o n - n i l d a l( id w uPaur t A t-' 'i t or t t , to any f relief oblige( an acre of land re _ e _ of an entitled (lea s t • surrender an t d he entire e i ye v id e I, t that if the tenant chose tohv'sou'ledrrtrenegn,defrorthiet land was 1 :0 - i t t . d i :Ti t , , I : e m l ,! r i p e ns o e b , i i i t ge tw d ou t i o d b e e ee a t g t r h ea e t sn iu r j r u e s n t d ic e e r t o o t. t t h h e e la la n n t i ee•onut the house. If there a were to be a surrender, there °l.:l2,,ishattgritytheibleitertehire to be a surrender of the whole of the holding. Lord,IIROUGHAM w Trete° posedto the whole principle d a ec ti i i iisse li od e nfl d oe i ry tl i riot believe P that any arrangement could t h h e e re g i rantirig out-door relief without work vrrco of, irt red uci ng for o qu es t i on zit \: ILL I A M said, that his Noble and Learned bratsennd appeared to have quite mistaken the character of the j c t . u . l b d e n i n o a t hav e put, the effect of increasing pauperism, , J th li e e t E i a li rl of St. GERMANS said that the whole operation s would be oppressive, for if a man were in the pot- fl session of half, or three quarters cf an acre of land, he might be obliged to come to the board of guardians for retie', and the real question, therefore, was what was the amount of the relief, and what was the kind of relief, which the Board of Guardians were to administer. Under the pressure of en insuperable calamity a man holding a small portion of ground might be obliged to apply for parochial relief, and then there was no alt ernaeve whatever but that, he must give up his land, and he must either go into the work house, and thus become a permanent pauper, for without either house or land he must be in a state of destitution, and he must therefore either go into the workhouse or else throw his exertions into an already overstocked labour-market. For those reasons he had formed the opinion that it would be unwise to limit the relief to those who were not in the possession of any portion of land. He had shown, as he thought, that he had not come to his conclusions with, , ut sufficient grounds, and certain he was that some limitation should be placed on the power vested in the board of guardians, and with this expres sion of his feeling lie would leave the clause in the hands of their Lordships. The Earl of RODEN said that he believed sorne limit should be put on the lavish expenditure of the board of guar 'ens, fur he believed that abuses must prevail, unless the pro visions of the law was strictly carried out. He would state a case which occurred during the last autumn in the district of the board of guardians, of which he was a member. A man in that district had unfortunately fallen into great distress, an•d he applied to the board for relief, atJhough lie was at the time in possession of the holding from which his subsistence had been chiefly derived. The guardians had nevertheless granted the relief, although he had himself asserted, that if it were given, he should put his protest on the books against the pro ceedim s. He had gone further, for he had written to the Poor-law Commissioners, but had unfortunately received no reply, although he had had a letter from the Assistant Com missioner. For his own part, he believed that the Act could never be effectually carried out without out-door relief, and he should, therefore, oppose the amendment. Lord BROUGHAM said that it was very evident that the relief was granted in the very teeth of the law, and that the Bill would, therefore, be ineffectual without some stringent regulation for preventing the board of guardians from grant ing assistance contrary to the regulations of the Act of 'arliament. The Marquis of CLANRICARDE thought that the case which had been made out by the Noble Earl opposite, quite showed the necessity for granting out-door relief ; but yet, it was perfectly evident that the small piece of land, held by these small tenants, would, at no either in the days of pros perity or under the pressure of calamity, suffice for their sup port, and therefore the clause was directly applicable to the purpose. 'I he Earl of CLANCARTY thought that his Noble Friend was mistaken in the view which he had taken. The amendment being withdrawn, the clause was agreed to, as well as clause 10. On clause 1 l being read, The Earl of WICKLOW said that the result of this clause would be the effect of preventing the landlords improving their lands. He would move that the words out-door should be omitted. Lout BEAUMONT said, that they had now this rate hanging over their heads, the whole of their united interests would be to keep down the interest. The case was totally different in England and Ireland. The Earl of DEVON said, that he considered that this Bill would have the effect of giving employment to the people of Ireland, by making the landlords of Ireland desirous to employ the people, and by that means prevent the increase of the poor- rate. Lord MONTEAGLE said, he believed that the out-door relief was the most likely to be the most successful as well as the most required. If they enabled the Town Council to make a rate for out-door relief, they would find it would be the most efficacious provision of the whole measure. What would be the effect of this clause? Why they would tax the electoral division cn which capital had been expended, and where improvement had taken place; while they expended money on those electoral divisions where pauperism existed in p r oportion to the amount of population, which was, in fact, in proportion to its pauperism, no matter how that pauperism might be created. He knew that he was advocating an unpopular view of the subject, and one that was opposed to the expressed opinion of Mr. O'Connell. On these grounds he saw no reason to adopt the amendment of the Noble Lord. The Earl of HAT HEATON said that. the proposed amend ment would be a distinct warning to all English capitalists not to make an investment of their mone , j in Ireland. The Marquis of CONINGII AM made a few observations. Lord STANLEY wished to know from the Noble Earl who proposed the amendment whether it was his intention to proceed with it before the a mendment which he (Lord Stan.. ley) intended to propose, for the omission of the clause alto gether, was disposed of ? The Earl of WICKLOW said if he found the Government disposed, to oppose his amendment he would in that case with draw it, and support the amendment of his Noble Friend (Lord Stanley), but until he heard from them what course they in tended to pursue he could not withdraw it. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE would not accede to the amendment of the Noble Earl as the effect would be to induce boards of guardians; to increase the expenses for out-door relief, so as to throw the whole burden of the rates upon the unions at large. The Earl of WICKLOW said that after what had fallen from the Noble Marquis, he would withdraw his amendment. Lord STANLEY then moved the rejection of the clause altogether. It appeared to him to be both unjust and impoli tic to introduce such a clause. It applied generally to all eases—to rack-renters, proprietors, and to liberal landlords. The former would have this clause as the premium for poverty, which their neglect of their duties had occasioned. The effect of the clause would, therefore, be unjust. He would state in illustration of this how he himself was circumstanced. The greater part of his property was situated in one electoral division, and comprised the half of the land in that division. Now, he was accountable for the half of the rates in that division, while the pauperism on his property was only one fifteenth part of the whole. The area of England, as com pared with Ireland, was in the proportion of fifty-three to one hundred and forty-six—which meant that in Ireland they were nearly threefold, and he now put it to their Lordships whether any of them could think that they could carry on their estates with any power over their property, or the well being of their tenantry ; if every person was entitled to charge the excesset thehe they ed adjoininge dtoot of s g . e h s d 7 1 , ' p r i a i na .l l : ts e hh U r f in e vdooeruronnt assistance;dh ,ea then p w r e e s el trh m te2y a ß : wi a iG g el ,dr e .e d 7weh e r s ,: t tn a i t t lt i h:tiea h trno o a w t,:mas w l,lne e :o r n e z derate taxation, but he firmly believed ihat, ek if a w t a h h e n ie l h )re w sen u t ld li b il e l underpsss ed , 2s t . h 6 e they w 0 The ultn g e r v e e a r t e h: i ve l o a f t r h a e ta ele a c tr t u oral districts at pre sent was, that they were t oo large.--( Hear, hea r .) B y the present Bill they w ere a b ou t to i ncrease t hem twenty-fold.--( Hear, hear.) Ther e was , a t t h e present a real law of settlement in Ireland. It ran thus—that any person who, for the period of twelvemonths out of the last eighteen, shall have occupied any tenement within the union, or not having occupied a tenement, but being resident in it, shall have a claim to be relieved by the electoral dis trict. Consequently, if he sent a number of per sons into a neighbouring town, they should have no claim upon it, but upon the district where they last, lived. With regard to the injustice of the clause, he would not say a word upon it, as he had not heard it denied. It simply imposed additional discouragement on the improvement of property and additional premiums on poverty. It would also discourage the investment of English capital in Ireland ; and a circumstance came to his knowledge the other day of a gentleman about to purchase property in Ire land, who asked as a preliminary question whether this clause would he inserted or not. For his own part, al though he had a pecuniary interest in the country, and much more, a personal interest in the welfare of his tenants, he, thank God, could give up his estates and retire on his other resources, relieving himself from the hopelessness of conduct ing his property without any benefit to himself or his tenantry. Earl GREY said that, if they considered this clause well, they would see good reason for retaining it; and he could assure them that they would inflict great injury by rejecting it. He held in his hand a petition from Killarney, in which it was stated, that up to a recent period there had been three tithes' rates collected, and since that, in 1846, the rate collected in the town was Is. lid. in the pound, and in the rural districts, only sixpence in the pound. He would prove, not alone from this, but from many other instances, that they would inflict great injustice by the rejection of this clause. Until the calamity of the potato-blight, the average amount of rates was sevenpence in the pound. He for one could not see upon what ground this calculation with regard to the state of Ireland was formed. It was as sumed that Ireland was a country above all others in the world where the labourer was to be supported by charity. If he be lieved that he should indeed have a most fearful apprehension of the future. The population of Ireland could not be employed under such a charitable system. Their labour would be used by those who expected a profitable return for it. In Ireland, which was said to possess such facilities for the maintenance of its population, proper employment would, by the operation of this measure, be gradually introduced. His Noble Friend told them that even under the law as it now stood only one-half of the electoral division in which his estate was situated was taxed for the maintenance of the poor. The legitimate conclusion to which they would be drawn by his Noble Friend's argument would be to make every man responsible for the conduct of the people upon his own estate, and that their employ ment, whether profitab'e or not, was a duty upon the proprietor. Such a system would bring about the state of things which existed in the southern portion of this kingdom in 18.33. and which it was the object of the Act of 1834 to remove. Under that system each small district held itself responsible for its own po,r, and thus the circulation of labour was put an end to, and a serious evil brought upon the country. This present Act, as it stood, was a fair compromise between conflicting difficulties and existing interests; it prevented the extreme either of charitable support by any district, or by any indivi dual. When the rate rose to a certain height, the burden was to fall upon a more extended district, and thus much distress end misery was removed from many small districts and parishes in that country. He hoped and trusted that their Lerdships would consent to take this clause whole, and alto gether. Lord BROUGHAM said that it required much self-com mand to repress his desire to grapple wi th the ar g ument which his Noble Friend had so ingen iousl y woven, and so impressively delivered, but he should confine himself to the 'store general details of the Bill. The assump tion that the labourers of Ir. land were to be supported by charity, was not the assumption of those who opposed, but of those who favoured it. The Bill, itself, was founded upon that assumption. The Bill was not a charity, which would be bene ficial to the labourer, but a compulsory one, which cursed those who received it, and oppresseik those who gave it. It taught the labourer to rely, not upon his own industry, but upon this compulsory assistance which this Bill was about to give them. In the argument upon this measure, as indeed upon all argument of this kind, they forsot the original prin ciple of the poor law, which had been long forgotten, and which was consigned to a still deeper shade of oblivion by this measure. What was that first principle? not that the land should support the poor, and all other property should be exempt, nor that the landlord and tenant should be rated at a rack-rent to support the paupers which the wealthy manufacturer sent forth as locusts from his soil. Such was not the law of Elizabeth. That was an income-tax, and it called upon all property of any description whatever to support the poor man. The measure was one of gross and flagrant. injustice—injustice and partial in its opera tion. halfpenny d(b to that h w a h t h t existedhe original at system etmi of of f za b poor-ratingeth, There was 8 0 0,000,000/. of property in existence, not a could begun in 1847, instead of at the end of the sixteenth century, that a most effectual bar would have been put to the grist injustice which trey were now about to inflict the country. to say that a worse case could not possibly take place The average in Ireland being 109 1 ' hada thann d who t e h t, ,a n .t to 00, and he would venture which ty hadto his Nobleda,l withthe i Friend t said ir took place in'hi s own un i on . Th en he Irish landlord s landlord s m , a more i m pr o vident, it might be a more thoughtless, se t o f o age m pound, t of their and estates, w ho, if who, although careless of th ein •ir ' erests en—but still men ; were still aware of he difftetrrse,ncleesbsetpsrvueednenhtelifn ;hele • w m n a n and a e n - a t they w were not less anxious than their more • prudent neighbours fur the welfare of their country. The Marquis of CLAN RICARDE had the highest respect for the opinions o f his No b le a nd Learned Friend, but he could not possibly agree in the expression of an opinion that every estate ought to be made to support the labourine poor who were born up on it, for if that was not to be the rule the whole principles of political economy would be set aside, and he thought that all the el jections to the clause had been fully answered in the speech of his Noble Friend the Secretary for the Colonies (Earl Grey). Unquestionably there vial a & • ( I -guN, LONDON, SATUR.DAY M0RN.L1 , 42,0-, MAY 6, 1547. great difference between des titution and moder ate ment. Nor did he think that the p aup e .rse the electoral districts ought to hzve any weight, for the fact, the e d . mplov residents in towns too often held out a premium for i auperism, for the induced t h ose who had been engaged in country employments to settle there in the hole of obtaining rack-rents frcm their proprietors, a, d if this ell•suhatre had to a great extent become of ssystem proprietorsste in o w for this m to provide for the extent been framed wi th a view pauperism of the country. But, in fact, it was in the p ower really tn to s be altered,of the electoral districts as now provided to impose upon the towns. Yet, he believed, that a great change would be wrought by the payment of money wages instead of goods. Many of the poor of the electoral districts now flocked into , uen a c n e d of if the this want mode of of ein th p i l n oy g - , m th e e nt in the coti o n n t s r e , was to proceed, the towns would soon be in the sam e position as the country , and the towns would towns, in c consequenly be ruined. The clause was, therefore, totally unnecessary, for, if it were adopted, the relief committee would be quite superseded, and the landlords would he quite unable to improve their property in Ireland. It must be a matter of great anxiety in that country, for it was evident that if the principle of the clause was to be adopted, the lands ad joinirg the towns would have to bear the rates.—(Loud cries of "Divide. divide.") Loro DESART said that the best criterion would he the dif ferent rates which had been levied, and those which have to be levied if these principles were to be applied. That difference was b fo u r t t i h n e u c r e h i s , t t s r stress in abnetel but l ai d upon o the a b m et o w tt e n e t n o 6 f .!md o . n an ey d 6 ob s. ta 4t. d , be recollected that the system pursued there was one grounded on a habit of taking the rack -rents, and these rents were collected weekly, so that while, in fact, the number of persons who had to pay the rate had decreased, the rents in many cases had in creased. This was a strong fact, which he thought it necessary to state, for between the census of 1;.31 and 1841, there was a great difference, especially in the small towns; and in one instance which had come under his own particular knowledge, the population, which in 1831 was 5,431, had in 1841 been reduced to 4,152, and in another from 901 to 609. Now, these facts showed that there was si,mething more than the rental to be attended to in framing a law that was to regu late the rates.—( Cheers, and cries of " Divide, divide.") Earl FITZ WILLIAM said that the clause was not rightly applicable to all the districts, for in framing a poor-law for Ire land, they ought to take all the districts—the high rated dis tricts as well as those which were rated lowly. The matter was of the utmost importance, as it was necessary to equalise the rating between the town and country districts, and if this benefit was to be obtained, they ought to take some other means for it. The Marquis of WESTMEATH conceived that the right means had been adopted for accomplishing the ends which the Government had in view, and he trusted that they would be careful in the steps which they took, for if it were necessary, he would take the responsibility of ascending the steps of the throne, even though he was alone, for an improvement of their plan. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE would relieve the Noble Marquis behind him ( the Marquis of Westmeath) of his res ponsibility, by expressing his hope that the several Noble Lords would take the course which the Government intended to adopt, and pursue that line of conduct which appeared to him to be most independent. —(Cheers.) Lord 1311OUGHAM hoped and believed that the Noble Marquis would not have to ascend the steps of the Throne alone.—( Great Laughter.) (Loud cries of " Divide, divide.") The Howe then divided— Contents Non-contents Majority The clause was then struck out of the Bill. Clause 12 was agreed to. On clause 13 being read, Earl FITZ WILLIAM made a few observations, which were inaudible in the gallery, and the clause was agreed to. Clause 14 was agreed to, as well as clause 15. On clause 17 the Earl of CLANCARTY said that some measures should be taken for the more effectual collection of the arrears of the rates. Lord STANLEY said with reference to the observation of the Noble Earl (Clancarty) that unless measures were taken to collect each rate as far as it should be done, before another was struck, the consequence would be, that those who illhd pay, would in self-de fence be obliged to refuse papier t also, and they would do it too. He thought her Majesty's Government should give this matter their best consideration, otherwise the rates would not be collected at all. Clause 18 was also agreed to. On the motion of the Marquis of LANSDOWNE, the fur ther consideration of the clauses was adjourned till Monday. Their Lordships then adjourned. -19 HOUSE OF COMMONS. May 7. The SPEAKER took the Chair shortly before Four o'clock. THIRD READINGS. The following Rills were read a third time and passed : Caledonian Railway (Extension of Motherwell Branch of Clydesdale Junction Railway to Auchinheath Mineral Field, with branches to the Wishaw and Coltness Railway, Can- derside, and Hamilton). Caledonian Railway (Branches to Wilsontown, to Fauldhouse, and to Biggar and Broughton). Caledonian Railway (Branches from the Clydesdale Junction Railway to the Douglas and Lesmahagow Mineral Fields and to Strathavon). Colchester, Stour Valley, Sudbury, and Halstead Railway (Extension from Lavenham to Bury St. Edmund's). Glasgow, Dumfries, and Carlisit Railway, and Glasgow, Paisley, Kilmarnock, and Ayr Railway (No. 2). Glasgow, Paisley, Kilmarnock, and Ayr Railway, and Glas gow and Belfast Union Railway (No. 1). Manchester Markets. Scottish Equitable Life Assurance Society. Wolverhampton Gas. REPORTS. The following reports were brought up and ordered to be engrossed : Birkenhead (Commissioners) Dock Acts Amendment (con struction of New Docks and alteration of Culvert). Birkenhead Dock Company and Herculaneum Dock Company Amalgamation. Caledonian Railway (Branch across Clyde and Glasgow Station.) Glasgow, Paisley, Kilmarnock, and Ayr Railway (No. 4). Ipswich and Bury St. Edmund's Railway (No. I)—Extension to Yarmouth. The reports on the following Bills were further considered and agreed to : Shipowners' l'owing Company. Terrington Marsh Division, Allotment, and Harbour. Mr. GREFNE moved That. the order made on the 33 day of this instant May, referring the petition of the Lancaster and Carlisle Railway Company, against the North Western Rail way (Deviations at Skipton, Casterton, and Sedbergh) to the Committee on the Bill, be read. That the said order be discharged. That the petition be withdrawn.— Agreed to. MEDICAL REGISTRATION BILL. Petitions wer e presented in favour of the Medical Registra. lion Bill, by Dr. Bowring, Mr. Tatton Egerton, and Captain Berkeley. State for the Home Department if, in eonformiy with the recommendation of the Commissioners in Lunacy in their last report upon Idayooek Lodge, the magistrates of the c,-,unty of Lancaster, on the renewal of the license this year, have re quired the proprietor, Mr. Coode, to reside on the premises; and also to provide a competent medical assistant, likewise to reside in the asylum ? Sir G. GREY, in answer to the question, said—l beg to state, that originally a correspondence took place between the Commissioners and the visiting justices on the subject of this license, and the result was that it was only granted for a short period. Upon its renewal the license was granted in the name of Jr. Jackson, who resided on the premises, arid he understood that, at the same time, security was taken to insure the appointment of a resident medical officer ; and a gentleman named Green, a most competent person, had since been appointed to the office. Mr. W. 0. STANLEY gave notice that, on Tuesday, he should call the attention of the House to the report of the Commissioners on this subject. IRISH PAUPERS. Sir B. HALL wished to ask a question of the Right Hon. Baronet the Secretary of State for the Home Department. Ho wished to know whether the Government had received any information with respect to 2.5 rt Irish paupers sent to Liverpool by the Mayor and inhabitants of Wexford, 130 of whom im mediately became chargeable to the parish of Liverpool? He also wished to know whether any steps had been taken to prevent the spread of disease consequent upon this influx of Irish paupers.? He wished also to know whether it was the intention of her Majesty's Government to take any steps to relieve the great. pressure of the poor's-rates in various parts of England and Wales, by the influx of those paupers ; and also, whether it was the intention of her Majesty's Government to bring forward any measure for the alteration of th e l a w of settlement in Ireland ? Sor G GREY had received many communications upon the subject ti the great amount of immigration of Irish pau pers to Liverpool. He had been informed that from the 15th of January the number of Irish paupers who had arrived at Li verpool amounted to 181,000, of that-number between 40,400 and 50,000 had emigrated again from that port, or gone further into the country. With reference to the adoption of mea sures to prevent he spread of disease , orders had been sent to the port of Liverpool, ordering that two ships should be set apart as lazarettos, or hos pital ships, so that all vessels coming into the Mersey with deck passengers from Ireland shou'd be compelled to hoist the yellow flag, and go alongside the lazarettos and put their sick passengers on board. This measure had given great satisfaction to the inhabitants of Liverpool. With respect to the question of 250 paupers having been sent from Wexford to Liverpool, it appeared that those persons were wrecked on the coast of Wexf rd, and that a subscription had been entered into by the Mayor and inhabitants of Wexford to charter a vessel for the purpose of carrying the poor people to Liverpool ; a letter was also sent with them, written by the Mayor of Wexford, recom mending those persons to the justice and mercy of the people of England. He was not able either to state that the Go. vernment proposed to relieve the existing pressure upon the poor-rates of the various parishes in England ..nd Wales, and they were not prepared to make any alteration in the law of settlement in Ireland. IRISH ABSENTEES. Sir W. BARRON wished to know whether any measure was to be introduced, to send back the 11,000,0001. of Irish property spent in this country by Irish proprietors, because he thought that, if the poor were to be sent back, it would be but right that the property should also be sent back.—(Laughter.) RAILWAYS BILL. Mr. HODGSON wished to know whether any alteration was proposed to he made in the Railway Bill, which he saw was appointed for the second reading on Friday next ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that it was the intention of the Government to make some alterations in the Bill. He thought that the better course would be to allow the Bill to be read a second time sub silentio upon that occasion, and after that to take the discussion upon the Captain HARRIS said that he wished to ask the Noble Lord, the First Lord of the Treasury, whether it was the in tention of her Majesty's Government to introduce any measure to stop the continual exportation of wheat from this country ? The return which he held in his hand, showed that 134,000 quarters of wheat went out of the country in the month ending the sth April last, and there was reason to suppose that a much greater quantity of wheat bad been exported in the pre vious months. Lord J. RUSSELL said that it was not the intention of the Government to introduce any such measure. ARMY RETURNS. Mr. F. MAULE said that two days ago the Hon. and Gal lant Member for Liverpool obtained assent to a motion as an unopposed return. It was a return of the surgeons, paymas ters, and quartermasters, with the dates of their services. He ( Mr. F. Maule ) did not object to that, but the motion con cluded with an order for the grounds why those parties had been excluded from the benefits of the recent advances made its the officers of the army. He wished to make this state ment ere he made a motion on the subject, and he now gave notice, that on Monday next, he would move that that portion of the order be rescinded. Consideration for that department, and the public service, required that this return should not be rr lade. INCREASE OF PENSIONS TO THE SOLDIERS. In answer to a question from Captain LAYARD, Mr. F. MAULE said that it was the intention of the Go vernment n sot t a o s t r o e c i o n m a r m e a e s n e d t h t h e e i l a t e i r m a a t i m o n r o a f t e the of w 6d a . r r t a o n s t d f . ts r a m d e a r y l y it . Also, to provide for an extra pay for good service after 21 years. BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE. Mr. HORSMAN wished to know which measure the Go. vernment intended to proceed with on Monday next. He thought the Health of Towns Bill was in the list of orders for that day. Lord JOHN RUSSELL replied, that it was his intention is proceed theo t hat , ht h Prisonsate Chancelloran d of the E Transportation x Billah Exchequ er r Monday, would h t preliminary b ring some business under the consideration of the House. THE CURRENCY. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, in bringing Oils subject before she House, said that he knew that great a. nxiety prevailed on this subject, and he trusted that he would b e justified by its importance if he claimed the attention of t'ne House to the few observations he had to make upon it. le wished as briefly as possible to state what were the inten ti ons of the Government, and, in doing so, he need hardly say t: sat the question had occupied the anxious consideration and a. ttention if the Government. His Noble Friend and himself h ad received from day to day numerous deputations of various P artier, and they were in constant communication vi ith those persons who were the best able to give them information upon the matter.—( Hear. ) Ele did not wish to raise any discussion this evening upon the subject of the currency. but h e might at once inform the House gnat the Government were not prepared to adopt any alteration its the Act of 1844 .—(Cheers.) Having made that declaration I.,, h tixievdies m hteie i n, g ic h , i also adsl, that the Government did not desire to in t, erf e r e with a i n t gne h rdeei t hav h tne a accommod a tionwettnhemavtemraendrdepressed which still he was glad to say thatgPii commercial lent:chdsrane necessityTt wt r hL y afeso l r i a k mnm e oanntphrepeeye stringenta appearance market from present. i might 'either gh t hemeasures, n enti in the Bank of En arce of improve h happy to state that the bank had li f e ou l n as d t exhibited a receipt in gold and silver bullion of 400,000/. lie should, on the usual day, the 1 •May, give the usual notice for the exchange of Exchequer bills. it indispensable to raise the rate bills from d. of interest on new tike day of exchange at 3d, that the demand was far diem.—(Hear, hear.) He was condition to snake advances on Exchequer irtesteulfrninfraomthe Bank to move that the House do He less w than was expected, it not h hav e i v ng e:xceeded 170,00 W. usual to not ask for hills. He was happy to state was also happy to state thatt Tidy of pressure had passed Monday e seve rity former occasions it hail been He proposed on for thepurpose DI empowering the Government, by Act of Parliament, of course, to pay interest on advances y go over.nto Committee . . v discount. On vs hole that might be due, but he did proposed, therefore, to pay interest toytwish of discount on all slims of money paid previous to the ' '" way lath or 19th of June next. A ny person who paid any portion of his • instalment previous to the 18th or 19th of June, that might paymenthat .o f the H e would be entitled to receive discount : s f h oorf t o i dot subsequent.y be com e thaf date calculated from that up to the period when the instalment That was to say if any body paid up early . would become his May June instal ment, he would receive one month' y s interest, t or if he paid his July instalment, he would be entitledutoetrweso,month's interest; or if he paid his August instalment, he would be entitled to three months interest, and so in like manner paying instalments in June. He expected that a considerable sum of money would be paid up in this way. sufficient indeed to enable the Exche quer to discharge its liabilities. He proposed now with the permission of the House, to move that the House, should, on Ald e ei interest r re the inpurpose advancesof hy considering lvsy ef an d authorising , go the into payment Com Committee of st dis count. The motion was agreed tea on PUNISHMENT ON VAGRANT (IRELAND) BILL. On the question being put for going into Committee on this Bill, Mr. P. SCROPE said he wished to ask a question of the Noble Lord at the head of the Goverment. It was of the utmost importance that this question should be decided, and that the House and the country should know whether the poor law for Ireland was to be of a permanent, or only of a tempo rary character. If it were to be permanent for three years only, much uncertainty would be created ; and he would draw the attention of the House to the fact, to the belief, that if it i were to he only of a temporary character, it would be worth less and hopeless. The poor would not confide in it, and the rich would not act upon it, or in any way promote the general welfare of the country ; for the absentee landlords, who are now spending their incomes in France or Italy, would not return to do their duty to their country, and look after their property.--( Hear, hear. ) On the contrary, if it were to be of a permanent character, it would be in every way useful, and he trusted, therefore, that the Bill would be of a permanent nature The people of this country had come to the decision that the time had arrived when some measures should be taken for preventing the people of this country from falling into the deplorable state of misery which had fallen upon the people of Ireland. They had come to that opinion from motives which were quite justifiable. He knew that they had to maintain their own poor, and that unless some provision of a permanent nature was made for the relief of the poor of Ireland, the industrious people of England would come into the condition of the potato-fed and miserably paid people of that country. He therefore wished to ask the Noble Lord whether he was prepared to-night to state what the permanent character of the Bill would be? Lord JOHN RUSSELL said the Hon. Gentleman had asked him for an explanation as to whether th e G overnment should go on wi th the present Bill pending the proceedings in another place. In the first place, he might answer, h e was more than ever convinced that such a Bill for the relief of the poor of Ireland was nec essary. Still, he he did not think that a reason for postp onin g the present Hill. He thought, how ever, that if the general Billwaslinsited i n i ts operation in point of time , be could not ask the House to p ass t h e present mea sure, which was o f the general character, with out a s i milar li m it at ion. He did not think it would be proper to give way to a feeling of jea lous y in regard to the proceedin g s elsewhere. or that they should say, that unledssthe Poor Relief Bill was passed in another place, they would not agree to the Vagrancy Bill here. He hoped they wouldf the l3l into nt o Committee now, and at some future stage eßill they could consider whether they sh ould introduce clauses to limit its duration, or should the other Bill not pass, to refuse the present Bill altogether. With regard to such a poor-l aw f or Ireland as they had agreed t o, he was more than ever conv i nced of its ne cessity, and that th e Bill as it had passed through that House was He had only that day • absolutely required. received a state ment respecting a p oor 403. , who, f or many years, had been the se rf or slave of freeholder, landed a _ _propri etor, who having ac cepted a small su m for his freehold, was turned out and allowed to starve, and his wife and child had (tied for want of food refused by those on who se lands he had lived for many years.—( Loud cr ies of " Name, name.) H e certainly should not, but he thoug ht no o ne could be blind t o t h e circumstances which were passing in Ireland, and the ne cess i ty t h ere was for an efficieot measure for relief. Though this had not been the case, he certainly thought that, in the transition state from the public, works to the perma nen t measure for relief, thate proprietors in the neighbourho od of the places where the poor people lived, should find the means for that purpose. He would only further remark, that two gentlemen who had hitherto opposed out-door relief (Mr. Ri c h ar ds, the Commissioner, and Mr. Gulson, the assistant Commissioner) had expressed their opinion that in the present state of Ireland such relief was necessary. Mr. S. CRAWFORD hoped that the third reading of this Bill wordd not take place until the House was put in pos session of the fate of the Bill in another place. Mr. F. •FRENCH thought the question put by the Honourable Member for Stroud was fairly answered by the Noble Lord at the head of the Government. He did not see any principle e hich could justify the Hon. Member for Montrose in putting the question whether these advances to the relief of Ireland should be postponed, untilshe question at present under consideration in another place—he meant the Irish poor-law—was settled. fhe Hon. Member should remember that these advances were for the purpose of meeting the distress which prevailed, and he could not accede that Ireland should be dealt with in a different manner from England or Scotland. Mr. SHAW said that it was very inconvenient in discussing what was passing in the other house, but he did not think that they ought to pass the Bill referred to unless their was a right to relief. He considered that it was very unjust in the Noble Lord to refer to the case he did without giving the name of the party, as by his so doing he made the case apply to a whole class, which was neither just nor reasonable. He therefore wished that the House would forbear forming an opinion on that statement, for he did believe that the Irish landlords were doing their best, under very difficult circumstances, to relieve the distress. Sir H. W. BARRON complained that many humane asei philanthropic landlords in Ireland had been attacked in that House for neglecting their duties, when, in tru' h, they were struggling by all the means in their power under the most adverse circumstances that men could be placed in to relieve the poverty and distress that was about them. They should recollect that Ireland had no native manufactures; that her landlords were absentees, and spent their money here and abroad, and that the soil was im; oserished in conse quence; and, therefore, Honourable Members who had never been in Ireland, and who knew little or nothing about that country went too far when they legislated for Ireland in this way, and without an adequate knowledge of her requirements. With all respect for his Hon. Friend the Member for Stroud, he must say that this was a most im proper time for him to have brought forward his motion. He ( Sir W. Barron) had always been in favour of a poor-law for Ireland ; but, at the same time, he objected to its being made a permanent measure, and he had the same objection to this measure being made a permanent measure, because he had great doubts as to how it would work. Mr. ROSS said he had looked upon the Bill as a hazardous experiment, but he knew they must risk something, and there fore he should support it. He hoped, however, that no com binations would be entered into to prevent the carrying out of measure.—( Hear, hear.) He hoped, at the same time, that the poor-law would not be so mutilated in the other House of Parliament, as to render it defective; if it were so muti lated, they would have to perform again all the work they had done. Mr. B. ESCOTT said vagrancy in Ireland was punishable by transportation, and in order to discover how the present law worked, he had moved for returns on the subject, and complained that the returns had not been furnished. He stigmatised the conduct of those who, acting in opposition to the Noble Lord, had succeeded in mutilating the Poor-law Bill ; but he con sidered that the Noble Lord ✓ might now appeal to the country 1 with far greater confidence and sympathy than at any past period of his administration. Mr. TRELAWNY said Ireland had long recognised a per manent poor-law, and that was decidedly the feeling of the House. He trusted the Government would persevere in ' endeavouring to pass the Poor-law Bill as left by that House. The House then went into Committee on the Bill. Clause lst was agreed to. On clause 2 being proposed, Mr. P. SCROPE proposed an amendment, to the effect that the capability, of a man who deserted his family to support them, should be inquired into before his conviction. Mr. SHAW said the law referred to existed, and that vagrants were liable to seven years' transportation. It was an objectionable law, but it did not work the mischief the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Escott) seemed to conceive. Mr. S. CRAWFORD said the law was not often put in force, but prostitutes and disorderly persons were occasionally brought up before grand juries at quarter sessions, in accord ance with it, and punished under it. It was a law which ought I at once to be repealed. Mr. SHAW said no persons were punished under the Act unless there was presumptive evidence of crime against them. Mr. B. ESCO'fT said the Hon. Gentleman's statement confirmed Isis worst suspicions with respect to the existing law of vagrancy, and that it placed a man in great danger of losing his liberty for years if an act of simple vagrancy was proved against him. In England men were not punished on presump tive evidence of crime. The law had been carried out against several persons, as the returns he had moved for would show ; and if he was not able to procure them, he should endeavour to get them through some other source. Mr. HENLEY considered it necessary that it should be clearly ascertained whether a man had wilfully deserted his family, or whether he had been compelled to leave them from distress. Mr. P. SCROPE explained. It was unfortunately a com mon practice in Ireland for men to desert their families, hut they frequently did so from distress ; for instance, to work else where ; he simply asked them to introduce a proviso to pre vent. a man from being imprisoned three months, who had not, in the strict sense of the word, deserted his family. After a desultory conversation, the amendment was with drawn and the clause agreed to. On clause 3 being read, Mr. M. O'FERRALL suggested to the Government the proprietary of limiting or defining the class of persons who were to carry the provisions of this clause into effect. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said there were two classes of men dicants in Ireland; one living upon the hospitality of their friends, wandering about from place to place, and the other de manding relief where their intimidating acts could extort it. Now this clause was to suppress that state of things. The country was more infested with mendicants and sturdy beggars than this country before the law was passed for punishing wilful mendicancy, and relieving the destitute poor. True it would be difficult to effect the reform in tended to be brought about by this clause but the wandering mendicant habits of a large body of the Irish peasantry must lie changed before they could work any good in that country, and he had, therefore, no hesitation in pressing for the continuance of this clause in its present form. Mr. M. O'FERRALL said the Noble Lord had misunder stood him. He did not object to the powers proposed to be taken by the clause. All that he wanted was, that the exe• cution of the powers should be trusted to cautious and discreet hands. Mr. GREGORY agreed with the Noble Lord that the mendicant habits of the people was a curse to Ireland, and he should certainly vote for the clause. After a few words from Mr. BELLEW, who supported the clause, Sir WALTER JAMES said they were about to attempt a dangerous experiment, for the confirmed habits of a people were not so easily changed as some lion. Gentlemen might suppose. Besides, it must be remembered that they were dealing with a Roman Catholic people, who entertained a feeling that they had a right to beg, and they ought therefore, to be the more cautious in legislating upon this subject. He apprehended that all that would be required, was now and then to make an example of incorrigible mendicants, and he thought, instead of the power to commit for the offence of begging being vested in the hands of one magistrate, it ought to be extended to two justices of the peace in petty sessions assembled. After a few words from Sir G. GREY, Mr. P. SCROPE said there could be no doubt that men dicancy was practised to a very great extent in Ireland, by persons who were not really destitute. M►ny Irish beggars had been known to give their daughters marriage portions, while he found it, related by Mr. Carlton in his tales of the Irish peasantry that in Ireland it not unfrequently happened that a beggar called upon a farmer to beg a little meal, and finding that he had none, offering to sell a peck, which he had in his possession, below the market price. An effort he thought, however difficult, ought to be made to put an end to such a state of things as that.—( Hear, hear.) Mr. D. CALLIGAN said no one was more anxious to put a atop to professional mendicancy in Ireland than he was ; but it was a difficult task to alter the habits of a people. The Irish people were remarkable for their hospitality, and he knew many small farmers who took a delight in relieving all who applied to them in the character of destitute poor. If they could pass a Bill which should restrain the donor from giving he thought they would be striking a blow at the root of the evil ; but in the existing state of feeling and affairs in Ireland, he could not consent to the passing of a Bill of pains and penalties pressing wholly upon the poor.—( Hear, hear.) After a few words from Lord Sandon, Mr. More O'Ferrall, Sir D. Norreys, Mr. Young, and Lord Arundel, Mr. P. SCROPE moved a verbal amendment. The gallery was ordered to be cleared, but the amendment was withdrawn without a division. The clause was then agreed to. The 4th clause, as amended, was agreed to ; so were 5,6, 7,8, and the other clauses. The House resumed, and the report was ordered to be brought up on Monday next. POOR RELIEF SUPERVISION (IRELAND) BILL No. 11. On the order of the day for going into Committee on this Bill, Sir ROBERT FERGUSON remarked that the commis sion under this Bill was made permanent; whereas by the English measure it lasted for only five years. The Hon- Ba ronet cursorily remarked several other minor differences be between the English and Irish Bills. He thought, if the twos countries were to be similarly governed, the two measures had better be the same ; and he wished to know from the Noble Lord what was the reason for introducing these differences. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said with regard to one of the dif ferences alluded to by the Hon. Baronet ' namely, that this Bill was limited in its time of operation ; he had to state that since the Bill had been introduced, the Government had re solved to alter this provision to five years, the time in the English, Bill. It was impossible to expect that every provi sion of the Bills should be the same, considering the different character of the two nati o ns ; but t h e general principle exist ing in the English measure had been adopted tor the measure far Ireland. Saving some small difference the Bills might be said to he nearly similar. The House thon went into Committee on the Bill. Clause 1, after a few remarks from Mr. P. SCROFE, Mr. LAaOUCHERE, and other Hon. Gentlemen, was agreed to. As were clauses 2 and 3. Clause 4 was agreed to as amended. On clause 5, Sir R. FERGUSON remarked, the difference between this provision and the corresponding provision in the English measure, which required the secretaries, &c., to act under a seal. Mr. F. FRENCH agreed with the Hon. Baronet. Ac cording to this Bill, the officers, like all officers in Ireland, were to be irresponsible. He complained that in the Board of Works there was no one to answer for complaints. The clause was then agreed to, as was clause 6. Clauses 7 and 8 were postponed. Clause 9, as amended, was agreed to ; so wits clause 10. Clauses, from 11 to 14, were then agreed to. On clause 15 being proposed, Sir ROBERT FERGUSON proposed an amendment, which he, however, immediately withdrew ; and the remain ing clauses having been agreed to, the House resumed. Re port on Monday. POOR REMOVAL BILLLAND .) (ENGLAND AND SCOT- Sir G. GREY moved the second reading of this Bill. Sir D. NORREYS complained that the Bill would injuri ously affect those Irish persons who had become residents in this country. Sir G. GREY said that the Bill did not materially differ from the Poor Removal Bill which had been passed; the only material difference was, that the process by which a person was removed to his legal settlement, was more simple, more expeditious, and less expensive than at present. Thus, if a person became chargeable, he would be immediately summoned before a magistrate, before whom he would be examined as to his settlement, to which he would, in the ordinary course, be removed • but he would not be removed because he wss an Irishman. 'The House was no &mist aware that many com plaints had recently come fi om Liverpool, with respect to the immigration of destitute Irish persons into that town—in fact, to such an extent had this taken place, that the workhouse accommodation was quite inadequate for their reception. If a summons was applied for against any of them, it was wholly inoperative, as the person to whom it was directed, could not frequently be found. This would be remedied by the Bill before the House ; as its object was to render it necessary that parties com i n g over from Ireland, or from a place from another part of this country, should at once be examined, and an order made at once, if the case was a fit one for rem oval ; but no on e at present , no t liable to be re moved, would be removed under this Bill. Sir J. GRAIIAM said he should be glad to give h is sup- Fort to the Bill, but at the same time he c ould not help ex pressing his conviction that it would ultimately be found to fall far short of the necessity of the occasion which bad led to its introduction.—( Hear.) During the last few years great alte rations had been made with respect to the removal of the poor both in England and Scotland. Till 1844 the burden of re- l moving the poor was placed upon the counties, and. conse- I quently, when it was a county charge and not a parochial one, there was much less hesitation in carrying it into exe • cution. He believed the task was so extremely one rous before the Irish pauper could be removed ; there were so many obstructions and so many heavy charges on the parishes that it was resorted to with reluctance ; and, in addition, the pauper must be accompanied by an officer, but he hoped that the time would come when the destitute Irish poor would be relieved in their own country ; but until that time did arrive, it would be better to consider whether the destitute Irish poor could not be removed in a more sum mary and cheaper manner than at present. Yet though this Bill _would remove some of the difficulties, it would not remove some of the objections which now existed to the removal of the Irish. With respect to Liverpool, the Right Hon. Baronet ( Sir G. Grey) had stated that he had adopted what he ( Sir James Graham) considered proper measures of quarantine with respect to the proprietors of members in the habit of bringing over large numbers of destitute paupers; but if he was rightly informed, the state of things in Liverpool was ex• tremely anomalous. For instance, there was a stipendiary ma gistrate in Liverpool, who, because he entertained some scru ples with respect to the state of things in Ireland, would not grant warrants for the removal of destitute persons to Ireland, unless a mandamus was moved for in the Court of Queen's Bench; therefore the law relating to the removal of the poor was suspended by a stipendiary magistrate. But this was not all ; the Liverpool ratepayers wished to get the destitute Irish distributed over the whole country, and money had actu ally been advanced to pass them, by the aid of cheap trains, to the metropolis. What would this lead to? It would infallibly lead to disease, and the English labourer would be brought, of necessity, to the condition of the Irish labourer.— ( Cheers.) Disease, poverty, and misery would, therefore, be spread throughout the metropolis —( Hear, hear)—and the Go vernment would ultimately be compelled to resort to mea sures to send the destitute poor to their own country. This measure, so far from being sufficient for the emergency, would be found vastly insufficient, and must come again before Par liament, when measures equivalent to the necessity which required them, would be found indispensable.—( Hear, hear.) Mr. P. SCROPE thought a change absolutely necessary, and that the present shuttlecock system ought to be done away with. They ought, at all events, not to rest till the soil of Ireland was made to sustain the Irish poor. Mr. FRENCH objected to the Hon. Member for Stroud always referring to the conduct of the people of Ireland in those matters relating to England. Mr. CARDWELL called the attention of the Hon. Mem ber fur Roscommon to the condition of Liverpool during the last few tenths. Liverpool, which with a population of 300,000, bad had added to it 100,000 destitute Irish persons, who had been treated by the inhabitants of that town in the most exemplary manner. Now the object of the present Bill was to afford a relief to this state of things. Sir W. BARRON agreed with the Hon. Member for Mayo in his objection to the portion of the Bill relating to the removal of the Irish poor from England. The Bill empowered magistrates in the most summary manner to take up any per son on the suspicion of pauperism, and send them out of the country. Now if Ireland was a portion of the United King dom, he could not see how such an arbitrary law should exist. He could not see how they should apply a different law to Ire land, to that they would impose on Scotland or Yorkshire. A more dangerous, unwise, and impracticable measure was never devised by any man having common sense. It was a law more adapted for Russia, than a country professing to be free. Lord SANDON was surprised at the indignation expressed by the Hon. Member. Were it really intended to deprive the people, coining from Ireland to this country, then there might be some reason for it. But this was not the object of the Bill. Its object was to do away with a technical objection which pre vented the proper working of the measure, the intention of which was to provide for the removal of those who could not give any explanation that they were not paupers, and likely to become dependent on English relief. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER hoped the statement of the Noble Lord would satisfy those who had ex pressed themselves against the Bill. He must say he had been much surprised at the speech of the Hon. Member for Roscommon, which proceeded on an entire misunderstanding of the Bill. It was a measure applicable to all parts of the empire alike—whether Scotland or the Isle of Man, as well as Ireland. It was provided that wherever a person became chargeable to a parish in England, if he was a native of any of those places, he could be removed there. A simi lar provision existed in the Scotch poor-law, as ap • plied to the natives of England, the Isle of Man, or Ireland.—(Hear.) At present a summons was necessary in order to effect a removal; but the circum stances of Liverpool, from the immense number of paupers there, were such, that the present alteration was proposed, which was, that the overseer, or relieving officer, who was applied to for relief should have the power to take the party so applying before a magistrate, who had the power, on examina tion, to order a removal. The whole object of the Bill was to dispense with the: service of the summons. and he must say, that he could not see in the Bill any peculiar hardship to Ireland. _ _ . Sir H. W. BARRON did not object to the poor being removed from England to Ireland, but he really did object to the monstrous provisions of thif Bill. Mr. P. SCROPE explained. Mr. WAKLEY much regretted having heard the speech of the Hon. Baronet who had just sat down, calculated, as it was, to produce ill feeling in Ireland. After the millions this coun try had voted to Ireland for her relief, he was surprised to hear the language used by the H on . B aronet, part i cu l ar l y w h en he I remembered that had the landed interest of Ireland done their duty towards the poor of their own country, much of the pre sent misery would have been averted. Notwithstanding that, the Hon. Baronet considered the present proposed relaxation of the law was unjust, he very much feared the law would still remain inoperative, owing to the great expense which the removal of the poor involved. Why, in his own parish, or rather a parish in this metropolis with which he was recently connected, of all the removals that took place every eleven out of twelve were Irish paupers. Why, then, did the Honourable Baronet use such language as he had done to that House. Had the Hon. Baronet read the return which had re cently been made uponthe present state of the poor in Ireland? If he had he must have seen that in Cork hundreds, nay, thousands were dying of fever without a hand to help them to a cup of water to quench their burning thirst. What were the Irish gentry about ?—( Hear, hear.) It was time this country spoke out. Already the ill effects of this neglect ou the part of the Irish gentry had made their appearance, within a few miles of this metropolis. He grieved to say it, but it was too true, that the typhus fever had broken out in many of the metropolitan workhouses, and it was high time the voice of this country was heard. He understood that in an other place a successful attempt had been made to restrict the operation of a poor-law for Ireland, but be warned the Irish landed interest that the time was coming when this country would be compelled, in self-defence, to force such a law upon them. Mr. FORBES said he was unfortunate enough to have taken an unpopular view of the Irish question, but still he did not object to the passing of this Bill, though he must protest against the abuse which some Hon. Gentlemen in that House were continually heaping upon Irish landlords. As a body the landed interest of Ireland bad strove hard to do their duty, and it was too bad that they should be subjected to abuse because they could not mitigate all the evils that surrounded them without having recourse to some adventitious aid. Mr. GRAINGER said m his opinion Irish Members had a perfect right to object to the passing of this Bill. Its powers might be necessary, but there was no protection against their being abused. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said it appeared to him, from what had fallen from the Hon. Gentleman who had just sat down, that Irish Members did not object to the principle of the Bill, but only to the manner in which it was proposed to be carried out. He had therefore thought that this discussion would have produced more beneficial and effective results, had it been deferred till they got into Committee on the Bill. Sir ROBERT FERGUSON did not deny that the distress mentioned by the Hon. Member for Finsbury was terribly severe, but still it did not follow that the guardians and relievers of the poor had not done their duty. If the Hon. Member would move for a return of what they had done, he would find that they had been most energetic in their efforts to mitigate the distress and suffering, while several of the resident gentry had fallen victims to their praiseworthy exertions to aid in assuaging the prevailing [misery of the people. No doubt there were instances where the guardians had neglected their duties, but in far the greater number of instances (and the absence of many Hon. Members from that House proved the assertion) they had nobly remained to adminster to the sick in their neighbourhood. The Bill was then read a second time, and ordered to be committed. On the question that the House resolve itself into Committee of Supply, POST-OFFICE ARRANGEMENTS IN THE HEBRIDES. Mr. H. I3AILLIE rose to call the attention of the House to the defective postal arrangements in the Hebrides. The Hon. Dumber said that hitherto the only means of postal communi cation with Long Island, one of the Hebrides, was by a packet maintained at the joint expense of Lord Macdonald and Col. Gordon, the two principal proprietors. A few years ago Col. Gordon withdrew his contribution to the support of the packet, and in consequence of the many and repeated calls upon him, caused by the distress at present existing, Lord Macdonald had threatened to withdraw his proportion also. The people would thus be deprived of all post-office communication. He had ' thought it necessary to call the attention of the Government to the subject, in the hope that they would adopt some means of affording this very necessary accommodation. Mr. PARKER said that although no official report had been made to the Treasury, he had no doubt the attention of the Postmaster would be given to the subject. SUPPLY. The House then went into Committee. A vote of 453,7561. was taken for defraying the charges of the Commissariat department. A vote of 40,6461. was taken for the half-pay and pension allowances. On the proposition that a vote of 50,0001. be taken for the works on the Caledonian Canal, Mr. HUME and Mr. WILLIAMS objected on the grounds that the canal was worthless as a national work. After a desultory conversation, the vote was agreed to. The vote 0 20,476/. for the paving and lighting, &c., public buildings in Ireland was agreed to. The vote of 25,000/. for the salaries and expenses attending the Houses of Parliament was agreed to. The following votes were agreed to:- 26,9001., for salaries and expenses in the d e partment of the Treasury. 16,4001., for salaries and expenses in the Home Depart ment. 71,0007., for salaries, &c. in the Secretary' office for Fo • reign Affairs. 18,0001., for salaries, &c. in the Secretary's office for the Colonies. 37,7001., for salaries in the offices of the Privy Council. 2,000/ , for salaries in the office of the Lord Privy Seal. 26,722/., for salaries in the offices of the Paymaster Ge neral. The next vote proposed was 15,8231. for the salary and expenses of the office of the Comptroller-General of the Ex chequer. Colonel SIBTHORP opposed the vote on the ground that the office was an useless one, and ought to be " knocked off.' —lt was, however, agreed to. The next vote was 2,620/. to pay the salaries of the officers and the expenses of the State Paper -office—which was also agreed to. 3,4401. was next proposed to defray the expenses of the Ecclesiastical C omm i ssioners to the 31st of March last. Mr. WILLIAMS opposed the Bill on the ground that the expenses of the commission ought to be paid out of the ample revenues of the Church. Lord JOHN RUSSELL explained that it was arranged at the time the commission was appointed, that its expenses should be paid by the State. Mr. HUME urged the Noble Lord to postpone the vote until the mode in which the money was expended was laid in 'AI detail be:.cire the Hou se . Th e Hon. Gentleman the Member fo altlon had a m o tio n o n the paper for that purpose —sot the H ouse wou ld soon b e i n a position to judge of the thaexpen diture. Mr. GOUL BURN defended the Church, and considered that the State ought to pay for the expense of the Commis- HEALTH OF TOWNS. Lord EBRINGTON and Captain BERKELEY presented petitions in favour of the Health of Towns Bill. GREAT NORTHERN RAILWAY. Mr. GISBORNE moved, pursuant to notice, " That it be an Instruction to the Committee on the Great Northern Rail way (Deviations between London and Grantham) Bill, to entertain the petition signed by William Fletcher Norton Norton, the Chairman of the Ambergate, Nottingham. Bostin, and Eastern Junction Railway Company (presented 3d May), as the Petition of that Company, although it does not bear the corporate seal of the co.npany." Mr. ESTCOURT doubted the propriety of granting the motion. Mr. AGLIO/S BY thought the motion ought to be agreed to, believing that if it was not great injustice would be done. After some observations from Mr. GREENE, Mr. GISBORNE said, that considering the circumstances under which the petition was drawn up, he thought the House should accede to his motion. He would press it to a division. After some further conversation, the House divided, when there appeared — For the motion .. 19 Against it 65 Majority against the petition —46 The announcement of the numbers was received with loud cheers. Mr. ORMSBY GORE moved that the evidence given be fore the Committees on the Shropshire Union Railways and Canal Bills (Chester and Wolverhampton Line, Shrewsbury and St,fford Line, and Newtown and Crewe Line), in the last session of Parliament, be referred to the Committee on Group No. 21 of Railway Bills. Sir JAMES GRAHAM said that, as chairman of the group to t.chom this evidence was to be referred. he was unwilling to say atiything, but they had all the evidence before them which they could desire. Mr M. J. O'CONNELL said, that if they were always ref:rring evidence to a Committee, in the manner proposed, the session would be closed before the labours of the Committee had been completed. Mr. 011.MSI3Y GORE then wi liclrew his motion. HEALTH OF TOWNS BILL. Dr. BOWRING presented two petitions from the composi tors of the London periodical preas in favour of the Health of Towns Bill. CHESTER AND HOLYHEAD RAILWAY. Viscount SANDON moved, That in the case of the Chester and Holyhead Railway Bill, in Group No. 24, a Commis sion having been appointed to examine the merits of the proposed harbour at Holyhead, in reference to which the plans of the above railway have been prepared, it be an instruction to the Committee on the said Bill, that the consideration of the same be postponed until the report of said Commission be re ceived. On the motion being seconded, Mr. W. 0. STANLEY thought that the Noble Lord might have allowed the Committee to receive the evidence on this 13111 before he brought forward this motion. He considered that the Government might have ad• vanced the progress of this measure, instead of allow. ing it to be deferred to this late period of the session. He had no desire to oppose the motion of the Noble Lord, but he at the same time thought that the promoters of this scheme had not been too well treated. After a few words from Lord SANDON, the motion was agreed to. Several messages were brought from the Lords. IMPORTATION OF COPPER ORE. Mr. MUNTZ gave notice that on the 13th of May he should move that the House resolve itself into Committee on the duties imposed on the introduction of copper ore into this country, with a view to their total abolition. RAILWAY CAPITAL. Mr. HUME moved that it be an instruction to the Select Committee on Railways that they do not pass the preamble of any Bill where:the companies suing for it did not possess sufficient capital. DROPPED ORDERS.—POOR REMOVAL BILL. Mr. G. BANKES postponed his motion for the repeal of this Bill till Tuesday next. HOSIERY BILL. Sir H. H ALFORD postponed the second reading of the Hosiery Bill till Tuesday next, but hoped that the Government , would give some facility for the progress of the Bill. TENANT-RIGHT (IRELAND) BILL. Mr- S. CRAWFORD, on being called upon, said that he really did not know what to do with this Bill. It appeared that there was not the slightest probability of its coming on on Wednesday next, and he very much feared that no House would be made on Wednesday, the 19th—( Laughter)—but if the Government would agree to make a House, he would fix the second reading for that day.—This was agreed to. POSTPONEMENT OF FURTHER MONEY GRANTS TO IRELAND. On the question being put that the House at its rising do adjourn till Monklay, Mr. HUME said, he observed that the Bill for voting 620,000, 1 . to certain Irish railways stood on the orders of the day for to-night. Now, he wished to ask the Noble Lord at the head of the Government whether it was his intention to proceed with the Bill to-night, after what had occurred last evening in another place? Lord JOHN RUSSELL—Sir, in reply to the question of the Hon. Gentleman, I beg to state that independently of what has taken place in another House it is my intention to postpone the second reading of the Bill till Friday next. — (Cheers. ) The motion for the adjournment was then agreed to. HAYDOCK LODGE. Mr. W. 0. STANLEY wished to ask the Secretary of t sion, as they had to perform a national duty with respect 1 education. Mr. HUME considered that bis Presbyterian constituents ought not to be called upon to pay for a Commission which had no sympathy for 'heir religious predile,tions. Lord JOHN RUSSELL could not consent to postpone the Bill. After a desultory conversation, The vote was agreed to. A vote of 182200/. for the administration of the Poor-law, England and Scotland, liavinc, been proposed, Colonel SIBTHORPE thought r this Poor-law Commission was only fraught with evil, and he could not support the vote. Mr. BANKES did not wish to anticipate the discussion on the new Poor-law Commission Bill, and therefore be would move that the present vote be postponed till after that debate, and that in the meantime Mr. Green report progress. Sir G. GREY assured the Hon. Gentl eman that that B ill would not be read a second time for a considerable period, an d he did not see what bearing these debates might have upon this vote. Captain PECHELL said that he perfectly agreed with what had fallen from the Member for Downshi re ; i t was per fectly preposterous to vote a wa y this money until th ey were aware how this board was to be reconstituted. Mr. PHILIP HOWARD said that it appeared from the general feelings of this House,. that it would he better t o post pone the vote to a future occasion. Mr HUME concurred in the propriety o the suggestion. Sir G. GREY said that the present vote was taken with a view to pay the expenses of the new establishment. The vote was then agreed to. The House then resumed, the Chairman reported progress and obtained leave to sit again. _ Leave was Cran•Fd to sit again on Monclay. PASSENGERS ACT AMENDMENT BILL. On the motion for leave to go ;nto Committee, Lord GEORGE BE TINCK called attervion to a Bill of the same nature pas>ed in the United States. He had to propose several amendments in this Act, which he conceived were calculated to improve it. The nature of these were to improve the sea-worthiness of emigrant ships, and is general of all transport ships. The Bill was passed through Committee. The Savings' Bank Annuity Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed. The report of the Land Drainage 811 was brought up. The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and the House adjourned at Half-past Twelve o'clock. IRISH POOR-LAW BILL. HOUSE OF LORDS.—MAY 6. FIRST DIVISION IN COAIMITTIB CONTENTS. smug. Warwick Buckingham Nelson Cleveland Stradbroke Montrosa Desart Richmond Digby MARQUISES. Erne Abercorn Malmesbury Headfort Lncan Westmeath Fitzwilliam EARLS. Stanhope Delawarr Shrewsbury Clare Lovelace Radnor Wilton BARONS. Monteagle, of Bra don Stanley Saltoun Gage Northwiek Blayney Downes: Templeniore De Ros Redesdale Abinger Middleton (V. Drod Rosse Enniskillen Roden Eglintoun Dartmouth Limerick Shetheld Somers Clancarty Hardw•icke Lcvcn and Melville Orford Eldon Haddington rick) Colchester Rayleizh Castlemaius VISCOUNTS. Combermere Strangford Hereford ARCHBISHOP. Dublin Boston Tenterden Bolton Ashburton Faversham BISHOP. Exeter NON-CON TEN TS. DtrLES. Norfolk St. Albans MARQUISES. Lansdowne Clanricarde Westminster Conyngham EARLS. Yarborough Cowper Granville Fingall Essex Waldegrave Ellesmere Yerulam Morley Ripon Harewood Craven Uxbridge BISHOP. St. David's BARONS. Campbell Cotttnham Erskine Strafford Colborne Lilford Dacre Foley Montfort Beaumont Batherton Carrington Camoys Kenyon Yinnaird Wharneliffe EARLS. Galloway Clarwilliam St. Germans Grey Shaftesbury Dlinto Clarendon Auckland Devon Fortescue Ilehester VISCOUNT. Clifton BISHOPS. Durham Hereford PAIRS. Earl of Lonsdale Earl of Zetland, till 10 o'elock Lord Grantley Lord Arundel Earl of Charleviile Duke of Bedford Marquis of Exeter Earl Spencer Duke of Beaufort Marquis of Anglesey Lord Wynford Lord Bruce Lord Willoughby d'Eresby Earl of Effingham Earl Tankerville Lord Vivian Marquis of Ailsa 'Viscount Falkland Viscount Beresford Earl Itoseberry Earl of Munster Lord Portman Lord Southampton Duke of Roxburgh Earl of Orkney Lord Myron, 10 o'clock Duke of Newcastle Lord Beauvale Lord Sondes Lord Sudeley Earl of Sandwich Earl of Camperdown, half-past 9 Duke of Blanchester Earl Ducts Lord De Lisle Lord Crewe Lord Colville Lord Langdale Earl of Cardigan Lord Leigh Lord Brougham Viscount Sydney, 10 o'clock Lord Feversham Lord Glenelg. LAW INTELLIGENCE. ROLL S COURT, May 7. THE EARL OF GLENGALL V. BARNARD. This was the petition of the plaintiff for an inquiry as to the intention of a testatcr, Mr. Me:lish, and in the event of his finding, that the Ccuntet,s of Glengall, who was the daughter of the testator, was entitled to let certain pro perty in the Isle of Dogs on building leases. Mr. TURNER appeared in support of the petition, and his Lordship granted the required order. CHA NC LLO (,;(111.17T, May 7. (Before Vice-Chancellor WIGRAM.) MoNEYPENNIr r. I')ERING. This cause turned upon the construe ion of a will. The facts have already appeared in this journal, and the question cAme before this Court with the view of overruling the deci sion of the Curt of Exchequer, which determined that the word ‘• son" in the will of one of the devisees limited the estate to the last male. His Ilosoutt said it was the practice of the Court in cases such as the present to carry out the intention of the testator, but he should refer the case to a court of law. It was then arranged that the case should be brought betbre the Court of Connnon Ploas. COURT OF QUEEN'S BENCH, May 7. (Sittings in Banco.) HARE V. ATTWOOD: In this case an application was made for a new trial on the ground that the plaintiff omitted material evidence at a previous trial, when a verdict had been entered for the de fendant. An application having been made at the time, the point was reserved for argument. The COURT refused the application, as it was not supported by affidavit. Several other cases of no importance were then disposed of. COURT OF COMMON PLEAS, May 7. (Sittings in Bunco ) MISCIIKIN V. ROSCI. In this case an application was made for an attachment against a Mr. Levi, a Sheriff's officer of the county of Mid dlesex. It appeared that the plaintiff owed 161. 18s., and that this officer continued to levy sums of money to the amount of 251. 10s., and afterwards made a seizure on the goods of the plaintiff, a Mr. Rosci, a merchant residing in Regent street, to the extent of 121. The COUIIT were of opinion that a rule should issue calling on the Sheriff and Mr. Levi, or one or either of them, to re fund the money. MOVEMENTS OF TROOPS.—The Bricklayers' Arms station of the South-Eastern Railway was visited by great numbers of persons on Wednesday and Thursday to witness the arrival and departure of troops at that station. Oa Wednesday a part of the Ist division of the 57th Regiment arrived there from Dover early in the afternoon, and soon afterwards the Ist division of the S9th depot left the same station for Dover. Yesterday afternoon the second portion of the Ist division of the 57th Regiment arrived at the Bricklayers' Arms station from Dover, accompanied by the regimental band and numerous officers. The second portion of the Ist division of the 89th depot left the same station shortly afterwards for Dover. The area outside the station was crowded with friends and relatives of the troops, nume rous carriages with the officers, ladies, and children; those with the baggage waggons and ether military accompani ments caused quite a stir in the neighbourhood. In addition to these troops several companies of the 89th Regiment pro ceeded by the South-Eastern Railway from Reigate to Dover. both on Wednesday and Thursday, en routs from Chichester. In each case special trains were dispatched. and we hear that the several commanding officers expressed the greatest satisfaction with the admirable military service arrangements made by the South-Eastern Railway Cotn- PaDl - - CONTINENTAL COMMUNICATION. The South- Eastern and Continental Steam Ship Company's vessel, the Queen of the Belgians, arrived at Folkestone, from Boulogne, at half-past two o'clock on Thumlay afternoon, hating 70 passengers on board; among whom were Lord Beauchamp, Sir George Irvine, and Captains Johnson and Preston, R.N. The steamer Queen of the French sailed from Folkestone for Boulogne at three o'clock yesterday rd afternoon, having 74 passengers and one carriage on bo ROY AL ARTILLERY. WOOLWIC H, MA Y 6. e glby, Lieutenant Godby, Lieutenant Govan, Lieutenant In ners and three I' , o non-commissioned o ffi cers an d gu ' e mbarked Waterman eighto'clock, Sh e ern,s, there to embark in the d th ru is m ni m o e r r , s , , in o g f t a li t isbranch of the e A o .3 r , d , na in ne is e, o c . ori l is l , steamer, for conveyanc e Commander t William Radcliffe, for a pas sage Apollo troop-ship, n e a o l n it i a p x an ICesosayat tShceosteikaantidonCsi.inCaodlae,nteol and Major Cuppage, Brigade-Major, superin tended the embarkation. The order for the departure rliiuptoand Newfoundland, augment. the , from the garrison only arrived at eight ::e n sterday evening, and some of the men had to be o'clock l u ot t ch t k e e n troops relieved of guard between ten and twelve o'clock, to be ready t• proceed to the Royal Arsenal, with their baggage at six o'clock this morning, to put it on board the Waterman steamer. The band of the Royal Artillery accompanied the party to the place of embarkation, and played numerous favourite airs while the men were conveyed in small boats to the steamer. THE NEW INFANT ORPHAN ASTLI:M.—The anni versary dinner of this charity took place on Thursday at th London Tavern, and was attended by a company of gentle men mustering to the number of 135. The Right Hon. Fox Nlaule presided, and during the evening subscriptions to the amount of 8501. were announced by the secretary, a large sum considering the charity has been only three years in existence, and one which promises extended means, and we hope in proportion thereto, extended usefulness in a very wide field for benevolent labour. THE BANK or ENGLAND.—Thursday the follow ing notice of the shuttings of the annuities on which the dividends are due to the sth of :July, was issued and affixed at the Bank of England:—CoopnesnolildsraitLln3t/h. e p l e 6 r th Ce j n u t i s ,:. sh a u i t . shut Wednesday, the 16th of p F e r r id c al e •, n t t h . c A l n i n ti t i iiti c e d s, J l l l 7 n 2 e 6 , , June ; open Wednesday, the 14th of July. New Si. per Cent. Annuities, ditto. Annuities for terms of years shut on the 11th of June, open on the 16th of July. East India Stock shuts on the 3d of June, and opens en the 15tk of July. THE MAILS.—SOUTHAMPTON, NAT 6.—The Ori ental Company's steam-ship Madrid, Captain Weeks, arrived in dock last evening, at seven P. 741., front Gibraltar, and landed the Peninsular and other mails, under charge of Ad. miralty-Agent, Lieutenant Smythe, which were for warded to London by this morning's mail train. Her cistie are—Gibraltar, April 25th; Cadiz, 26th; Lisbon, 29th; Oporto, 30th ; and Vigo, May Ist. The Madrid has a gOxl cargo, consisting of oranges, dates, specie, leeches, witv,..4ko. The Tay, West India packet, is hourly expected. —..-0 said erro g b O tt ) dap 'ley 'll s Bill sed 0 ;rider- 'eared• ad de' erlaud Lord ,pport elnea oh be ex t mi rn of Pais beau) ice of raffle a frevr er ill wag rtant line• i gth own late, The of nile. .ster wer e of by obis ilea. riles itch 119 out and all [aid