The Sun. — London, England, 1857-02-10 00:00:00

THE SUN, LONDON jeidges—by which term I mean the chairmen of quarter sessions, recorders, and judges, including those in Scot- Land—and I remember no case in which ajudge informed nee that he bad passed a sentence with the expectation that it would not be carried into effect, or had given any iixtimation to a prisoner that he would be entitled to elitirn the remission of any portion of his sentence if he behaved well. (Hear, hear.) I made one reference to the Lord Justice Clerk of Scotland, a very distin guished judge, who wrote to me very fully expressing his opinion against the remission of any portion of the sentence, and informing me that he was authorised to state that the judges of the superior courts of Scotland hal passed no sentence of penal servitude except with the expectation that it would be fully carried into effect, a s they understood to be the intention of Parliament. I have seen it stated publicly that, by some rule or regula tion of the Home-office, the intention of Parliament has been defeated by the restriction of tickets of leave to those convicts who were under sentence of transporta tiou in 1853, and the exclusion from their benefit of all persons since sentenced to that punishment. lam happy to be able to state that no such rale or regulation has been made. No one can now be sentenced to trans portation for less than 14 years ; and as this act has only been in operation three years and a half, no con vict sentenced to transportation since it was passed can yet be in a position to claim a ticket of leave. All such persons must at present be undergoing preliminary im prisonmeat in some of our probationary establishments. It is obvious therefore that the system popularly called the ticket-of-leave system, and which I must say has given rise to exaggerated alarm, would, if things were to remain as they are, soon become almost extinct and hardly per ceptible. At least it would only have this effect, that there would be subject to it the balance of prisoners still remaining on hand who were under sentence of transpor tation in 1853, together with a few exceptional cases of penal servitude convicts. Still, that I admit is no answer to the questions " What shall we de with our criminals?" and " What is the best kind of secondary punishments to apply to them !" Nor can it be expected to allay the a pprehensions—to a certain extent well founded, although also greatly exaggerated—which have been excited with regard to the retention in this country of prisoners who have been convicted of serious crimes, and who under the formsr system were sent abroad. The point as to tickets of leave has little or nothing to do with the question, be cause whether a prisoner was at large upon a ticket of leave in 1556, or whether at the expiration of a sentence which cannot be prolonged bylaw !leis; discharged in 1857 or 1853, the effect is one and the lame—he must either before or at the expiration of his sentence be discharged in this country ; and instead of flatting himself in a new community, with ample opportunities for obtain ing honest employment, and with little teruptatt:n to evil, be is thrown back among his old associates, has the greatest difficulty, perhaps, in getting work, both from the feeling entertained against persons who haie been convicted of crime, and from the numberlees competitors he has to meet in the labour market. The-e dangers may no doubt be overrated ; yet ueque- tionably they are of great magnitude ; and it is most desirable as far as possible to provide against them, in the interest both of the country at large and of the criminals themselves. This was very forcibly pointed cut by Mr. Baron Bram well in his recent address to the grand jury of Essex, in which the learned judge remarked, without expressing any opinion whether tickets of leave are good or bad, that the real question is, what becomes of the criminal after he is discharged, be it in this country or be it abroad ? (Hear.) I have said that I think the alarm on this subject greatly exaggerated ; and, in tracing the effects of the act of 1853, I ought, perhaps, to say why lam of that opinion. Much has been written in the newspapers about the danger arising from ticket-of-leave men being at large in this country, and doubtless agreat deal of what has been said is not intended to apply ex clusively to the holders of tickets of leave, but to persons who have either been in prison or have undergone sen tences of transportation and returned to this country after their legal discharge. That class no doubt forms a large portion of our criminal population ; it did so before 1853, it has done so since then, and I am afraid it runt continue to do so. Nobody who looks at the reports of the trials at our sessions and assizes can fail to observe that in a great number of cases the prisoners are not charged for the first time, but have been convicted of repeated and habitual crimes. I obtained a return the other day of the number of ticket-of-leave holders convicted at the assizes held in 24 counties in December last. At those assizes 625 prisoners in all were tried, only 29 of whom, or less than 5 per cent., are returned as holders of tickets of leave. I do not say it i s not to be regretted that there should be even that num ber. What I maintain is that these figures do not justify the great apprehensions felt that all our crime is com mitted by ticket-of-leave men. But what is the general state of crime as disclosed by the returns for the last two years 1 At the close of the debate on the Address the other night, the right hon gentleman the member for Manchester (Mr. M. Gibson) spoke of a frightful in crease in pauperism and crime, but I did not then deem. it necessary to comment on his observations, because I felt that I shoul I have a fitting opportunity to state the facts of the case on the present occasion. Criminal tables, prepared by Mr. Redgrave, were laid before Par liament on the first day of the session, containing a very careful comparison and analysis of the crime in this country in the years 1851 and 1855. But what was the state of crime in 1856 as compared with 1855, the period within which such loud ceruplainte had been made 1 It must be remembered, too, that in the year 1856 the militia were disbanded, and the regular army con siderably reduced ; and, although the majority of the soldiers who served the country abroad were doubtless well-conducted men, yet, when a large body of persons from the ranks of the army were thrown again into civil life, you could not be altogether surprised if that step were followed by some addition to the statistics of crime, wholly irrespective of the discharge of prisoners upon tickets of leave. Such appears to have been the general impression judging from what one reads in the news papers. Now, doubtless there has been a considerable increase iu a certain class of criines, especially in those attended with violence. The returns for 1854 and 1855 are in the hands of kon. rnembers r and I trust they wilt avail themselves of the opportunity toex twice them. But there was a disturbing cause which it is necessary to take into account. Ia 1854 the passing of the Criminal Justice Act extended the summary jurisdiction of juetic,s of the peace, and the consequence was a large in crease in the number of summary convictions within the next twelve months concurrenty wth a corre sponding decrease w tile cotes tried at the assizes and sessions. But in 1855 and 1856 no such cause was in operation, the Criminal Justice Act being equally in force during both of those years. The foliowieg tables gave the summary convictions and commitments for trial in 1456, contrasted with those for the previous year :—England and gales.—Number of per ions com mitted on summary convictions iu 1856, 77,667 ; num ber of persons committed for trial at assize.. and sessions in 1856, 19,433 ;—total, 97,100 ; nuainer of persons committed on summary convictions in 1855, 77,041 ; number of persons committed for trial at assize.; and sessions in 1855, 25,972 ;—to*al, 103,013. Comparison of the commitments in 1856 reed 1855 : —Summary convictions, o'B per cent. increase; c ice mititents fur trial, 25 . 1 per c-int. e;ecre a e;—total, 6 1 per cent. decrease. Tuus, while there was but a - o r al fractional increase in the number of sumerary con vie tiona in 1856 compare-l. with 1355 there was a very re markable decrease, amounting to nu less than 25 per cent. in the graver class of cases—viz., the commitments for trial at the assizes and sessions, That is a state of things which I think does not justify ad the alarm which has prevailed in the country in regard to the pro gress of crime. Burglary and other violent offences are comprised in this general aggregate, and it is also wor thy of note that the criiiie:ef robbery, including, as it does, garotting, which is telly one of the various inmles resorted to for effecting robbery, has elightle decreased in 1856 as compared with 1855 If the right hon. member far Manchester were present I should call his attention to the fact that the late chief constable of that city recently informed me that within the last three months there has beta a remarkable diminution of crime in Mare chester. As the general condition ot the people of this country is so closely connected with the state of crime, and as the right hon. gentleman (Mr. Gibson) c mpled pauperism and crime together perhaps I may also be per mitted to observe that the decrease o fcrime which I have mentioned is attributable to a cause which has al ways a powerful effect on our prison returns. I hold in my hand a copy of the annual return, which will b e l a id en the table by the P res id en t o f the Poor-Law Board, showing the number of persons receiving parochial rel , et in England and Wales on the let of January, 1857, as compared with the Ist of January, 1856. This reture comprises the 40 counties of England and all the COW - , ties of Wales, and I find that in seven counties only is there any increase in pauperism, and in some cases that increase is hardly perceptible. In all the other counties there has been a decrease. In Lancashire the dirninutiou is 11 per cent. ; the same in Nottingham ; and there lyts been a large decrease in Middlesex and the East and West Ridings of Yorkshire. In fact, in those c •untiee where th e popu l at i on is most dense there has been a decre ase irk pauperism, and 1 believe also a large de crease in crime—at least, of that class of crime Minh is most affected by the condition of the people. I essay remark that when the general condition of the peopl e to good, when employment. is plentiful, and food I then cries against prop er t y w hi c h come under t s he c beeaalicrimes d roflarceey but criteee violence often itiereas., arising, as they do, Iron causes quite ii r es p ec ti ve of the difficulties under which the pioner l labour. Having said casses ''"1"")" so much a s to facts, Iwe new refer to th e state of the law.. Sent e n ces of 6 transportation for 14 years or upwards may be tressed, or, at the de cretion of the Gene, penal servitude may be substituted in lieu of the higher peeaLy ; int below periods of 14 years on ly sen tepees of penalservitudecan be pronounce". sentees, B of penal servitude must be carries out at home, or in tb,s• colonies of the Cro n where the co,- victs can be employed urt)n pet lie works, as at Gibrel tar and Bermuda, and every prisoner sent to those places must be br o u g ht house agai n t o th i s country either anticipation of the expiration of his sentence, or when ' 0 Ilse fully compl e t e d it s t erm ; f or, even were ' it legal ti t; do so, there are pol.tical reasons against liberating coo viet, in those colonies. Now, of the 350 persons annu allyde,;sentenced in Great Briiain to transportation, after 'title women , with regard to whom there are ow n t m n e e a s s c k r) ! e t a h rer 'ne ' out such - a sentence, and also deducting Yilslit;aed those withlworn-out constitution-, of whom there° many to be found among the criminal classes, there will robably be not more than 250 annu ally who under tik e P be t state of the law could legally transported from P t7, B ,", ?nary, and even that number may be diminish ed . by the :ieiricise of the discretion that is vested in the judges. u n t o w refer to the opiniona Coeur upon this subject. of the committees which sat 1 The committee of the House ot entered chiefly °itelated to the ad into that branch of the subject which roade lt received ministration of the law in this country, much valuable and useful evidence, a n d Portent recommen d a tions. The committ ee of tell'ecnueoluni of Lord s t oo k anot h er course, and, alth ough they e: amined Colonel Jebb as to the administration of the law i❑ this country, they examined no other witness upon that point, but pursued its inquiries into the possibility of continuing and extending transportation, and of find ing other places for the reception of convicts than Western Australia. There was, however, a remarkable concurrence of opinion between the two committees as to the benefit to be derived from a continuance of the system of transportation to as great an extent as the Government could find means to apply it. (Hear, hear.) 'P committee of the House of Commons say— " That the punishment of transportation is more effectual and deterring, better adapted for the ultimate reformation of convicts, and more beneficial to this country than any other secondary punishment for serious crimes which ha. yet been tried. That the committee therefore recommend the continuation of the sentence of transportation , so far as her Majesty's dominions may afford safe and proper facilities for that purpose." The committee of the House of Lords said— " That, in the opinion of the committee, a continuance of the system of transportation to some colony or colonies, with such improvements as experience has suggested, or may suggest, would be highly desirable, provided that the system can be carried on with advantage to the colony, and with satisfaction to the colonists." The two committees have concurred in the opinion, which I believe is shared by a majority of this house, that whe ther we consider the interests of the convicts themselves or the interests of the country, it is most desirable that before the expiration the sentence of offenders who have o lii)(1 e re moved d gu t i e lty an o e f t g h r e a r y p e a c r r t im ef e t s h , e th w os e e rld c r w v h ic e t r s e t s h h e o y ul w d freed from the temptations to a renewal of vicious courses, and where there would be greater opportunities for com mencing a new and improved mode of life. (Hear.) In saying this, however, I cannot shut my eyes to the amazing difficulties which have lately sprung up in the way of car rying out the desire which all entertain—that, having punished men for committing crime, we should preserve them from a renewal of their evil practices by sending them to countries whore theyicould commence a new course of life under better prospects than at home. In any opinion which I may express upon this subject, either now or here after, I beg it may be understood that the Government has not the remotest intention of departing from tie spirit or letter of the arrangement which has been made, and I think wisely, that as regards Van Diemen's Land and the South Australian colonies, transportation has completely ceased. I hope it will not be imagined by any one that we have any intention of renewing that contest, now happily anbsided, which raged at one time on the subject of tran,- portation to the colonies. The committees which sat last year have expressed themselves very clearly upon that point. The committee of the House of Commons qualified their recommendations by adding, "so far as her Majesty's dominions may afford safe and proper facilities for that purpose." The House of Lords not less distinctly said, "provided the system can be carried on with advantage to the colony and with satisfaction to the colonists." I hope, therefore, there will be no misapprehension upon this subject, or any idea that we are about to force con victs upon unwilling colonies. I may here observe that, among the many suggestions which have been made from time to time there have been several for the establishment of great penal depots at various places, such as Holyhead, Gibraltar, and elsewhere, where convicts during the period of their sentences could be usefully employed upon public works ;" but those who made such suggestions are not aware of what was the real difficulty in the ques tion. There is no difficulty in disposing of convicts during the stages of their separate imprisonment or their labour upon public works; in fact, I am obliged to refu se th e ca ll s of my right hon. riend the First Lord of the Admiralty for convicts to work at Portland, Portsmouth, Chatham, and Gibraltar, simply because there are not convicts enough undergoing their sentences for he public works upon which they may be usefully employed. The difficulty consists, not in finding places where they may be beneficially em ployed, but in finding places whither they may go after the completion of their sentences with some hopes and pros pects of reformation. It is the duty of the Government to avail itself of all the facilities which exist for that object, and I may venture to say it is the duty of Parliament to assist us in removing any obstacles which may stand in our way. The facilities - which exist for transportation are these :—Western Australia is the only colony which will receive convicts under sentence of transportation. The house must bear in mind that I have shown that in future years 250 is the largest number of convicts which we can calculate upon being able to send abroad, owing to the small number of sentences of transportation which are now pronounced, and it must also bear in mind that those 250 have all been repeatedly convicted or con victed of serious offences. That is the stock in hand for future supply. What are the facilities for their disposal ? The committees to which I have alluded took much valu able evidence respecting Western Australia. They exa mined witnesses long resident in the colony, men of pro perty in, and, what was more important, who were about to return to, the colony—those witnesses comprising Capt. Fitzgerald, the late governor, Messrs. Brown, Moore, Hume, Sze. The colonists were anxious to have convicts that they might have the advantage of their labour. As to the nature and capabilities of the colony, the evidence showed that its extent was very large, and that it was, as yet, almost entirely separated from the other Australian colonies. It is described as a vast plain, with only three ports from which convicts could effect their escape, and there would ho no difficulty in guarding against escapes from those ports. The climate is good, suitable for agri cultural pursuits ; the country presents numerous tracts suitable for corn - there is an excellent breed of horses, which are exported largely to India, being considered sup,- rior to other Australian horses i - there is an abundance of fine timber, and the land is suitable for the growth of the vine, which is already cultivated to a largo extent. I be lieve the demand for convict labour arose in Western A us tralia from very considerable grants of land being made to private individuals, who thought that land constituted wealth, whereas without labour land is perfectly valueless. Now that convict labour is available these persons are able to turn the land to some account, ani there is a general opinion expressed by these witnesses that even under the present system, without adopting the changes suggested by the House of Lords, from 800 to 1,000 convicts a-year might be received and usefully employed in Western Australia — probably more if measures were taken inviting capital a 1 d labour to the colony. In addition to this evidence given before the committee, representations have been made by a deputation of gentlemen connected with the colony to the Secretary of State that Western Australia possesses peculiar advantages for the reception of convicts, and that both proprietors and residents concur in the desire to have convicts sent. Sir J. PAKINGTON.—Have no representations been sent home the other way? Sir G. GREY.—The only representation the other way was a petition, whi c h came l as t y ear w hile th e committee was sitting, which complained not that convicts were ry nt out from this country, but that a certain number recently sent were not selected with as much care as formerly, ani that, instead of f ew cr i mes b e i ng comm itt e d, some o f seri ous magnitude had been the result. The Lords' committee advert to that complaint, alai recommend a return to the principle of selection, in order to send to Western Austra lia that class of convicts which will ba most useful to the colony. This demand by Western Australia fur convict labour is one which in the present state of the law the Go vernment is unable to meet. Here is a colony asking for from 610 to 800 or 1,000 convicts a-year, and we have n more than 250, comprising that class against which excep tion was taken in the petition to which I have referred. Under these circumstances the question arose in the cour.e of last year whether, under the sixth section of the act of 1853 persons sentenced to penal servitude could be sent to Western Australia. The terms of the act appear to be very large : " Eveiy person who under this act shall be sentenced or ordered to be kept in penal servitude may, during the term of the sentence or order, be confined in any such prison or place of confinement in any part of the united kingdom, or in any river, port, or h ar b our o f th e un i te d kingdom', in which persons under sentence or order of transportation may now by law be confined, or in any other prison in the united kingdom, or ii aay part of her Majesty's dominions beyond the seas, or in any pert or harbour thereof, as one of her Majesty's Principal Secretaries of State may from time to time direct ; and such person may during such term be kept to hard labour and otherwise dealt with in all respects as persons sentenced to transportation may now by law be dealt with while so confined." The question was referred to the law officers of the Crown, and, after carefully considering it, they arrived at the con clusion that it was not competent for the Government to avail themselves of Western Australia as a place where the sentence of penal servitude could be carried into effect. The fact is, such convicts would not be subject to the colo nial laws and ordinances, their labour could not be assigned to the governor of the colony, and they could not have a qualified liberty. Transportation would lose all its ♦alue, and it would he only sending convicts out to bring them back again before the expiration of their sentences at a great expense, without the slightest benefit to the colony. The Commons' committee, in their seventh resolution, re commended that the sentences of penal servitude should be lengthened to terms identical with the terms of transpor tation for which they were substituted. The Lords' com mittee, in their 12th resolution, recommended that the Provisions of the act substituting penal servitude for trans portatiOn should be revised. They did not specify with what object they should be revised, but I apprehend they, like the House of Commons, thought that the sentences of penal servitude should be lengthened, and made identic 1 with the former sentences of transportation. The House of Commons state a ground for their recommendation—viz., to give effect to a previous resolution, that every punish ment should include a first period of imprisonment with hard labour, and a further period capable of being abridged by the good conduct of the convict himself ; and they sug gest that the present term of penal servitude should, a 3 a general rule, he inflicted, "but that there should be super added, over and above the present term, subject to miti gation, the differmice between the present period of penal servitude and the former period of transportation for which it was substituted. They further recommend an in termediate period of penal servitude. When sentences of seven years' trpsportation were passed there was a dis cretion in the judge, which now remains in cases of four years' penal servitude, to substitute a sentence of impri sonment alone—usually two years' imprisonment, instead of seven years' transportation. In recommending the in• et ea,ee of the sentence of penal servitude to seven years the committee recommend that the discretion of the judge be enlarged, and that he shall he able to inflict A period of penal servitude longer than the imprisonment, but shorter than the transportation would have been nail( r the old law. I come now to the proposals which I have to make on the part of the Government, as appearing to thcm to be the most expedient, after full conaideration of the subject. We propose in the bill which I shall ask leave to introduce to give effect to the 7th resolution of the com mittee Ok . the House of Commons recommending that sen tences of penal servitude shall be lengthened so as to be made identical with the sentences of transportation for which they were substituted. We also propose to give effect to the 9th resolution, giving discretio❑ to the judge to pass an intermediate sentence between the ordinary term of imprisonment and the term of seven years' penal servi tude. The first clause of the bill will repeal the provisions of the act of 1853, by which the shorter sentences of penal servitude were substituted for the longer sentences of trans portation, and will render persons who may formerly have beau sentenced to transportation liable to be kept in penal servitude for the same duration as the term of transporta tion, for which they were liable before the act passed. There is then a proviso giving the discretion to the judge to pass a sentence of intermediate penal servitude, as,l luavemalready explained to the house. This will, I trust, provide a remedy for the evil complained of, and will en able us to avail ourselves'of the facilities which still exist, and I trust will hereafter be enlarged, of removing persons convicted of serious crimes from this country. The effect of this alteration will be that the sentence of penal servi tude need not necessarily be carried out by the removal of the convict from this country, but if it be thus carried out : the sentence will carry with it the same regulations to 1 which convicts are now subject. I propose to take this power, and to make it generally applicable to all sentences of penal servitude, because is difficult to draw the hue and to say what persons shall be removed from this coun try and who shall not. I do not anticipate that this power will be exercised with regard to the greater portion of those sentences for short periods, and especially if these inter mediate sentences of penal servitude are passed I do not think thatit will be the practice to remove from thiscountry convicts sentenced to very short terms of imprisonment. As a rule I think it will not be expedient that prisoners should he sent to the colonies on very short sentences. In other cases, when sent there, prisoners ought to be for a very considerable time subject to the control of a ticket of leave, and I do not make this proposal with the intention that it should be carried into effect before a portion of their sentences shall be passed in penal servitude. A very large portion of the sentences must be for seven years, and in a very large proportion of cases these prisoners will not be removed from this country. It is proposed to give that power of selection which the committee of the HOllB9 of Lords think the essence of the system of transportation to Western Australia„ and which they recommend the Government to have recourse to. It would be necessary to consider in con nection with their crime and their sentence circumstances of which the judge could know nothing at the time--the age, the physical strength, and the pursuits of the convicts. To send convicts to the colonies who would crowd the labour market, end who are unfitted for labour by physical weak ness, age, ill-health, and other circumstances, would be to , send those who would be a burden to the colonies. This would be a course unwarranted by experience, while a contrary method would remove the objections which the colonists of Western Australia enter tain to the class of criminals from which they have hitherto been furnished. The power of selection will enable the Government to send a sufficient quantity of con victs to Western Australia or other colonies to which it might be determined to send them, and to avail themselves of additional facilities for the disposal of convicts without further alteration of the law. An objection may be made to the uncertainty of punishment in the sen tence for penal servitude, and it may be said that a con vict will not know whether ho will find himself in this country or in a distant colony. (Hear.) But that objec tion has always applied to the sentence of transportation also, so that no convict sentenced to seven years' transpor tation was really sent out of the country. The judge may have depicted the horrors of being separated from his fa mily and friends and being sent to a distant colony, and the convict often went from the bar expecting that he would be transported to a distant country. But in three or four years it usually happened that the convict found himself again in his native village among his family and friends. For short sentences, therefore, it was impossible to carry the sentence of transportation into effect, and there was much uncertainty whether it would be carried into effect or not. Sir J. PAKINGTON—These sentences were put an end to on that account. Sir G. GREY—It was certainly impossible to carry a large number of the sentences of transportation into effect, either from the physical incapacity of the convicts, or from other causes, and the right hon. gentleman cannot pat his finger upon a single year in which a large number of con victs u , der sentence of transportation were not retained permanently in this country. It is also to be remarked that the sentences of penal servitude can be carried into effect whether the convicts serve their sentences at horn. or abroad, while an actual deportation from this country is the very essence of a sentence of transportation. The committee recommend that a certain number of prisoners should be sent to Bermuda and Gibraltar to serve their sentences of transportation, and they say that it is neces sary that the public works should be performed in those colonies by convict labour. With regard to the course pursued the sentence passed upon these convicts amounted to a qualified sentence of deportation. The convicts were sentenced by the judges, and then, not by the decision of the Government, a certain number were sent to Ber muda and Gibraltar, and remained in those colonies to undergo their sentences. A further objection would be the great anomaly which would remain if the bill stopped here. If it were left to the discretion of the Government to remove convicts sentenced to penal servitude, it would be a great anomaly to continue to pass sentences of transportation above 14 years. At present these sentences need not be passed at all, and the judges may pass esntences of penal servitude for the same term. It may he urged that there is no reason why we should retain the sentence of transpor tation for 14 years. Why should the judges have a discre tion in the one case and not in the other ? The judge has no knowledge whether the sentence will be carried into effect or not. A man stands before him, and he has no safe aside to enable him to exercise a sound discretion, or to say whether the prisoner is a fit person for the labour of a colony. I propose, therefore, to abolish the sentence of transportation altogether, and to substitute the sentence of penal servitude for it. I now come to the sth resolution of the House of Commons, which recommends that sentences should not be carried into effect where convicts considered themselves entitled to their partial remission. I have been asked by many persons to extend these remissions to those under sentence of penal servitude. I replied that I would not do so, because I did not want Parliament to be ham pered and fettered in the consideration of this question. I thought if I held out any expectation of a remission of these sentences I should be told that we were breaking faith with these prisoners. No prisoner under sentence c f penal servitude, except in a few special cases, has had any expectations held out to him of a remission of any portion of his punishment, and Parliament is, therefore, at liberty to deal with these persons as it thinks best. I admit that the resolution of the committee is founded upon the evi dence of witnesses of great weight. Some of the judges I are also of opinion that it is desirable to give a stimulus to hope, and to hold out the prospect of a remission of a portion of the sentence as a reward to good conduct. In that principle I must say I, in a great degree, concur. (Hear, hear.) It may, however, be carried too far in sentences of transportation. In 1853 it might be neces sary, in consequence of the peculiar circumstances of the time, and as an experiment, to hold out hopes of a remis sion of punishment. I think it will be found desirable that the principle of this recommendation should be acted upon. No doubt it is the beat way of maintaining prison discipline. Elope is a more influential motive than thu fear of punishment, and this principle ought, I think, to be acted upon if the sentences are for lengthened periods. I am also of opinion that persons who are to be sent out of the country ought to undergo some months of separate punishment before they leave this country. It has been said that a certain portion of those who may be advanta geously sent to Western Australia should be sent either with tickets-of-leave, to take effect shortly after their arri val, or with the expectation of receiving a ticket-of-leave after their arrival in Western Australia. Captain Hen derson has expressed a strong opinion, in which I concur, that the greatest value may be expected from the training which the convict receives in England, but he recommems that a part of the strictly penal sentence ought to be passed in the colony to which he is sent. The real difficulty is as to those who are left at home. (Hear, hear.) I propose with regard to them that the same principle shall be adopted. There are some persons who commit crimes of such atrocity, or who are guilty of such gross misconduct in prison, that they come under the denomination of incor rigible. This class have no claim to any indulgence, and ought not to be inflicted on a colony. They really almost belong to the class of criminal lunatics, who have commit ted some great crime, for which they have been imprisoned for life, not as a punishment for an offence for which they are not responsible, but to secure society against a repe tition of that offence. With regard to the other and far more numerous portion of criminals, no doubt the more we can send abroad the better ; but some must be kept at home, and we propose to retain the power of remitting a portion of their sentences. Two questions were raise Cbefore the committee in connection with such a remission —first, what should be its amount; secondly, what should be its terms and conditions? It ought, no doubt, to be considerably shorter in amount than the mi nimum fixed in the case of convicts under sentence of trans portation. A great deal of the outcry which has been raised against the system of discharging prisoners with licenses has been caused by the large remissions of sen tences which have taken place; great irritation has been produced in many neighbourhoods by seeing a man who had been sentenced to perhaps 15 years' transportation re turn at the expiration of four years; and some of the judges of the land have felt a certain amount of annoyance at being obliged to try prisoners upon whom they had -al ready passed sentences which, if they had been carried into effect, would have prevented the men from committing ether crimes. Ido not think that any term ought to be named as an unbending rule, but one-fourth or, at the utmost, one-third of tho sentence ought only to be capable of remission. Sir J. PAKINGTON—That would be the minimum an AGdsßi judge t itca,ietge — tosh It frequently is n oci thatnu ve inc o cit t trl icy p ou o nm s o s oos i fmt b a l ae e to fixperiod.have to s i h it e l a nSyceo which emnlreei tn i ati n ron y l 111 induce knowledgeSpetaSrite ior him to think that he has passed too severe a sentence— (hear) —although they do not amount to proof of the man's innocence. In such cases justice requires that the Secretary of State should make the sentence what it would have been if the judge had been in full possession of the facts at the time of passing it. Although the regulations upon which remission should depend cannot, therefore, be made the sub ject of any unbending rule, they may be made the subject of some general rule ; and they ought to be communicated to all judges and persons holdingjudicial situations, in order that when they are passing sentence they may have a full knowledge of the amount of punishment which the prisoner will in any case have to undergo. Then comes the question of the terms upon which the remission ought to be granted, whether conditional or absolute. The committee stated that the ticket-of-leave system had been in operation for too short a time to enable them to give an opinion respecting it, and they passed a resolution recognising the justice of its prin ciple, although they negatived a iesolution that it should be acted upon in all criminal cases. The committee, in my opinion, were wise in expressing no opinion as to the merits of the system upon the facts before them; but I propose to retain the power of granting these conditional discharges, as in many cases it may be very usefully exercised. In many cases after a prisoner has been discharged, in consequence of a strong recommendation from the visiting justices and a certificate from a medical officer, stating that his life is in danger, ho is found in A very short time committing some new crime, apparently in perfect health, having either feigned illness or recovered health by the change of scene and air, and the return to his old habits. It is highly expedient that in such a case the discharge should be conditional. Some people suppose that a ticket of leave is a sort of certi ficate of good character, and that those men only obtain it who can prove that, they are reformed, There was never a more fallacious idea. It is very desirable that the illusion should be dispelled that the holder of a ticket of leave is less likely to relapse into crime than any other discharged criminal: Ticket-of-leave-holders, as a class, have been, I will not say the subject of much prejudice, but the caul-' of much al arm, and they have ruffled great difficulty in ob taining any honest employment in this country , They bear upon them the stamp of the criminal. It has been proposed, in order to meet this difficulty that ticket-of leave-holders should not be restrained from leaving the country: But tickets of leave are revocable at the pleasure of the Crown, and revocation implies remission to the for merto prison for a new offence he is taken back after thheeerxes punishment. If a ticket-of-leave-holder is c ommitted piration of his term of imprisomestlPt o mainder of his first sentence, but if he went abroad, the France or America, how could the Crown exercise _ l3 power of revocation ? It may be said there is no objection them to allowing criminals to go abroad, and many )0, , t to undergo the have certainly enlisted in the army end soldiers, but the Government could not eriCTlrne., them to break the conditions of their discharge by going aham" t i o The same obstacle prevents us from allowing them to go the colonies, to Canada, or Australia. The power of rev, cation could only be exercised by the colonial authorities, by virtue of colonial stets, and it would be almost impos sible for them to send a number of men from the antipodes to Portland to undergo the remainder of their sentences. Utoulthis point, however, I do notnow wish theheu.se to form an opinion. I concur in the opinion expressed by the com mittee, and I do not propose to make any alteration in the power at present possessed by the Govornsnent, because it is a useful power, even although it be not exercised as a general rule. There is one important consideration with regard to Western Australia which must not be overlooked —I refer to the inequality of the sexes. 1 large influx of male convicts could not go on for many years, and it was 'PrESDAY EVENING, FEBRUARY vilo, 1857. stated before, the Lords' committee that the colony could not receive 800 or 1,000 convicts a-year for the next 20 years without the adoption of some means of increasing the number of female emigrants. Hitherto the colony has refused to receive female convicts, and not unreasonably, considering the general character of the female convicts sent out from this country. The Director of Prisons in Ireland states that the class of Irish female convicts is essentially different from the class of English female con victs, and that they are not persons of immoral life, using that term in the ordinary sense. They are not prostitutes or persons of that kind. That officer also explains the na ture of the measures taken under his direction for the reformation of these women, and certainly the results he states afford ground for hope and expectation that many of these women would make very useful settlers in a convict colony. So in England, at the establishment lately formed under the charge of Colonel Jebb, to which female prisoners were draughted from Brixton Prison, the greatest pains are taken to effect their reformation. I hope that by some such means the difficulty will to a certain degree be overcome. The 10th resolution of the Commons' Committee recommended that the hulks system should be finally abandoned. For some time past that system has been in course of abandonment, and the only hulks now used at Chatham are for invalid prisoners, and means are being taken for providing a prison on shore to which those prisoners may be removed When that is effected, the total abolition 'of the hulk system, which is liable to seri ous objection, will take place. There is another resolution of the committee to which I wish to refer, and the pro priety of which I, with all respect, rather doubt. The 10th resolution states—" That every convict on his release with a ticket-of-leave ought to be reported to the police of the town or district to which ho is sent," I certainly should he sorry to call the attention of the police in every case to these men released with a ticket-of-leave, for that might have the effect of increasing the difficulty of those well disposed in obtaining honest employment. With re spect to London, the police have reports of the character and course of life of the men with tickets-of-leave, resid ing in their districts under their instructions, which I be lieve they honestly act up to. Ido not think any ob structions are placed in the way of the ticket-of-leave men obtaining an honest livelihood. lam aware that a meet ing took place a short time ago, over which a noble earl presided, and at which some ticket-of-leave men made com plaints of the conduct of the police, on account of interfer ing with their endeavours to obtain honest employment. Such conduot, if the charge were true, was most unwar rantable ; and all I can say is, that if any policeman acted in the way described he acted contrary to his instructions. I obtained from the Commissioner of Police the names of the convicts who made these charges, with the view of in vestigating their allegations, and all the constables im peached will be punished if those allegations should prove to be true. (Hear.) With respect to the gratuity payable to the convicts for some time after their discharge, I have made arerngements to have it paid by a superintendent of police, inste td of its being sent by post-efface order to the jit e aet o_ cbe n tri vceoiha ready result convict Iyrne great oet himself.fdd thebirefer.ffie difficulty deliberations l elt iys b b eTaen e rnh l t a i dee e td v i bopu e ait onllrs importance. h tnlootb e afhe r utcelt e .i are ounohnwnhgesaG us oks n ewrv o ,l ee rhaa o nern t n anc h d eett it urnht Government pobon introduce lnal embodies t is s su t ib ; the hands of hon. members, they will then perceive more that the b u p i l a l clearly the nature of its provisions than they have probably secondbct th e ee e l a n hy a r b i eee because to edci acldugto is ef sentences an ti w ear nan y cbx eel desirable be desirable, fere the nextif tiWssat passed doe t h ueelvo r de e nr s nv p yeo e ntd C ia t eyn t ae t n h o : fi possible, assizes. shall the a t billp present eae should n b t eiilaobcanege citomweeulaldw this day fortnight for the second reading ; but if business of more importance should arise I will endeavour to name a day which shall meet the con • venience of the house. The right hon, baronet concluded moving for leave by to in troduce the bill. Sir J. PAKINGTON said that all would agree that the right hon. baronet had only acted with a clue regard to public feeling in bringing this important subject before the house ; and he tendered his thanks for the able manner ill which the right hon. gentleman had explained the views of the Government. The right hon. gentleman had alluded to what he called the exaggerated alarm of the country with respect to the ticket-of-leave system, but he (Sir J . Pakington) should Bey that the alarm was rather misdirecto 1 than exaggerated. Considering the state of crime which had existed in the country during the last few months, it was but natural that a great feeling of alarm should exist in the (public mind ; but that alarm should be directed rather against the state of the law under which the worst criminals were set at liberty in this country than against that check of tickets of leave which applied to another class of offenders. He wished to remind the house that this subject of wide and extensive interest consisted of two parts—first, the state of the law with respect to secondary punishments, and, secondly, what was scarcely less im portant, the manner in which that law was to be adminis ter ed and carried out. He would advert to a portion of the subject which he thought had created as much anxiety in the public mind as the system of tickets of leave—he meant the impression which existed that, on the part of the Government, a system had obtained of indiscreetly ad vising the Crown with respect to the exercise of the prero gative of mercy. In calling attention to some instances of this kind; he begged to say that he had no intention to make a personal charge against the right hon. gentleman, for he was rather alluding to the system and practice long prevailing than to any improper mode of the right hon. gentleman's exercise of his high duties. The right hon. gentleman alluded to the opinions expressed at the late assizes by some of the judges, and no doubt intended to refer to a charge of Judge Willes at the Warwick assizes. Sir G. GREY observed that the learned judge after wards explained that those observations were made under a mistake. Sir J. PAKINGTON said that it was desirable, however, that he should allude to another case brought before the grand jury at Worcester, in which it appeared that a man sentenced to fifteen months' imprisonment for high way robbery (a sentence remarkable for lenity) was, never theless, discharged at the end of nine months, on the re commendation of the right hon. gentleman. He had had some correspondence on the subject with the right hon. gentleman, who communicated the recommendations on which he acted, and he was bound to say that if any re commendations could have justified the exercise of the prerogative of mercy in that case those recommendations woul 1 have afforded a justification. They were recoil]. mondations from the most respectable teen, whose bene volence had led them to do an act which ho could not ap pnre. (Hear.) The impression in the public mind was that these sentences were not to be carried out. Some months ago a very respectable woman, who lived in his neighbourhood, and whose son had been sentenced in Janu ary, 1855, to four years' penal servitude, called upon him (Sir J. Pakington) and placed in his hands several letters which she had received from her son, and which showed that he expected to be releasel in the approaching spring if some respectable gentleman would give a testimonial in his favour. Writing from Preston Gaol, in which he was subjected to separate confinement, he said that he was quite well, and better than he had been for years—(laughter) -- that he had as much good warm fool as he liked and a good bed to lie one; that lie hid no taskwork to do, and that he did just as much as he likn,ed—(laughter)—th short,at h h e had nice clean walks to walk ups and that, in e was en joying life as much as any man could possibly desire. And this, be it remembered, was the most severely penal part of his sentence. (Sir G. Grey.—" No part of those sentences is itudergor• in the prison at Preston. There must be s .me error. Perhaps it is all a myth.") He begged the right hon. gentleman's pardon. The whole of the fif teen letters which had been placed in his hen is were written upon the p rinted forms of the gaol. (Sir G. Gray admitted that he was mistaken when he inter rupted the right h on. - baronet.) The writer of those letters said that the chaplain of t he g aol had told him that if he would only desire his friends to endeavour to obtain a testimonial in his (t h e prisoner's) favour, he might be re leased in the course of this year. Now, as the prison au thorities were cegnisant of the contents of every letter written by the prisoners, it could not be supposed that they would have permitted the prisoner to be under a misap prehension as to the possibility of his release before the term of his sentence had expired if they believed that no such possibility existed. [Sir G. Grey— "Prisoners' letters are sealed, but not c orrected by the prison authorities."] Iu March, 1056, the p risoner was removed from Preston Gaol to Portland, and he wrote a letter to his mother in Sept. last, in which he stated that he was well a nd ha ppy , that he hadne stout • that ho plenty of food, and was getti , in the shoemakers' shop in which there had been placed • 1:1' were 30 men, and that they had the privilege of conversi 0 Now, as the right hon. baronet had uo with each other. punish dertaken the revision of the system of secondary f e wee to no outlet in he colonies or menu,, and as ther the utmost our criminals as heretofore, be it was surely of that the public should be distinctly inf ormed importance lieu of those of trans that the penal sentences passed in s h eadre) Hd thato portation should be rigidly enforcd. (Hear, (Sir J. Pakington) h ad over and over again contended •n no intermediate punishment it was a great defect havi g imprisonment and seven yea rs' trans between two years' its • valent, and that the periods of penal portation, or equivalent, servitude fixed by the act of 1853 were no thing like hi ty equi valent for the periods of transportation for w a c _h t bat were substituted. He was therefore extremely gl d his right hon. friend was about to remedy each e ch were defe want- , cts of the latter of which additio nal p roof, if any su I called the ing, was afforded by the l etters to which he hat while attention of the house. Th e writer of those letters, th undergoing his sentence of penal servitude, wa % ested neighbourhood of his friends —he continue y hadgaci - that his mother should come and sees im f them, d was continually ties for correspondence with period be should saying that after a comparatively sh ort there was ab rejoin them. In the case of transportation I for at least solute and necessary separation from fren'nose sentences saves'. years ; and indeed, as no criminals w tr —a practice had expired were brought back to this country— of seven which was very unjust, to the convicts — a of banishment for years' transportation operated as one 0 life, for unless the man could himsel f p rovide the owemeans lie however, one never return to this country. There was, which be , on e part of the plan of the right hon. baronet ortion re garded with considerable doubt. lie meant- that •n h er by which sentences of transportation were to be altogether tint done away with, and it was to be a matter servi of uncer y tude a whe , w hen a man was to be sentenced to penal _ lie cher ho would remain in England or be sent abroad, hoped that the right hon. baronet would reconsider this portion of the scheme, because what we of all things way ted to got rid of was unc e rt a i n ty. (Hear, hear.) W a a r s i _tr ass portation, so far as it was ma intained, to be rg. teed a boon t h e severest punishm en t f or the most guil t y , or as for the well conducted ? That ques tion seemed to be left c ope n by the explanation of the right hon . baronet. as t it he (Sir J. Pakington) hoped that it would be regar ded d fallen seve rest punishment, b u t h e inferred from what ha con_ f ro m the right hon. baronet that, with the object o f f ture sa lting the feelings of th e co lonists, he would for the Ilion. select well - conducted men to be sent abr oad. The right I the un bert. (Sir G. Grey) was hardly justified in comparing with e, certainty of the old system of transportation fo.r which had recently prevailed. The uncertainty which from the for merly existed was merely that of illness. It aroset abroad. fact that convicts who were ill or infirm were notion, to aseven It was true that some years ago persons sentence. steads years' transportation were sent to the hulks in h d a abroad, but that had long been discontinued, and It of trans fer many years been understood that a sentence portation was always carried into effect. One statement (Sir G. which had been made by the right hon. gentleman (Sir G r ey) was, in his (Sir J. Pakington's) opinion calculated sta.on to mislead the country. The right hon. gentleman t • s and that in 1855 there were 77,000 summary convictiiniinn,_, a. 25,000 convictions for offences of a more serious7,ooodatunt assize' and sessions ; while in 1856 there were >37'e ffencts. The -eery convictions, and only 19,000 for graver 0 . from these eee which wo u ld b e d ra wn by the public of 6, 000 in infers" - Chat ther e h a d been a diminution rot, figures was •ve offences. This inference wouldAn the number of gin • -errect, as he believed the fa that however, be altogether —tinted for by the f t • -e which came into diminution was i n - t .elaich would under the Summar y acle— Jurisdictions Au-. were operation in the autumn of 1855, many caviar , , previously hav e b een sent to the sessions or 3981Z00 now summarily disposed of by th e magistrates. In con. elusion, the r i g h t hon. baronet (Sir J. Pakingten) ex - Punlse— pressed his satisfaction that the attention of Parliament greasing class had been thus early called to this subject, and his opinion but a punishment, that all members of that house would be anxious so to v shape the bill as best to attain the objects which it had in view. (Hear, hear.) Mr. COLLIER said both the Secretary of State and the right bon. gentleman opposite had placed the question on its true footing : what were they to do with their dangerous convicts—with that class of criminals whom their ancestors disposed of summarily by hanging, whom we had been in the habit of transporting, bat, inasmuch as public opinion ' was against transportation, we were able to do nothing with. In considering this question, they must not lose sight of two things : what they were desirous of doing in the ab stract, and what they were capable of doing. In the first place, the question arose what was to be done with the worst class of criminals who ought to have been hung but had not, who ought to have been convicted of murder, witspwiawne h huaaaneasbtsr r tutehle e uli,as they had been convicted of manslaughter, because the juries who tried them had an objection to hanging, or men who had been convicted over and over again of gross personal violence and perhaps had escaped by accident. It seemed to him there was one thing to do with regard to that class of criminals, and that was permanently to exclude them from society. They must regard the interest of society rather than that of the criminal. The public should Ise protected from violence rather than the criminal should have a chance of reformation. If, then, it were conceded that hardened criminals must be excluded from society, the question next arose—should that be done at home or abroad ? The right hon. baronet (Sir J. Pakington) thought it should be abroad. Now, there were two senses in which they might speak of transportation; in one of which it was admitted on all hands to have succeede I, but in the other it was equally admitted to have failed. In the one sense, transportation meant the conveyance of criminals to colonies where the free settlers largely preponderated, where there was a large demand for labour, and where the colonists were willing to employ convicts. That kind of transportation obviously required conditions which it was not always in the power of the Government to supply. The other kind of transportation contemplated the estab lishment of purely penal settlements—such as Norfolk Island ; and it was that kind of transportation which was admitted to have signally failed The mother country had no right to transport, in the first sense, the hardened cri• urinals of which he was speaking. They had no more right to turn persons of that class loose in the colonies than they had at home. Such persons were enemies of the community, and the Legislature had no right to suffer them to prey on society anywhere. That being conceded, the only question that remained was, would you keep criminals of that class in prisons at home or in prisons abroad—for a purely penal colony was, to all intents and purposes, a prison abroad ? He (Mr. Collier) thought that all the arguments were in favour of keeping our dangerous c. iminals at home. In the v a ssietebc impossibletnr e i feayw l flo , l npairteacchonreswtesec inflict; e h H i vi. imabi first place, by that course they would save the expense of sending the man out. In the next, they would have a better the tri c u t e e neat ts surveillance class of officers at home than they could have abroad. In s a :a( ol o ei hetv m atbteincihe e tmfrosate - . o napatnop ffi c: ifslcitpausco c sl eico e tenaroenhevpl( w fimafei ulbc o ataetl o u rtunl ayu l dtat d refe od b otwm 1 neri atrocitiesaisp nats Dartmoori life abocnNnyloee establishmentciudoene t o rdli . acdfieo, dttnl exercise o x eaknt e Nltel r wfsab c aolphba i cowl s ointam e cudciih a eetrt. iyanwst for wo o ce e tr i l oo r htu i l ri y eo d knnr of convicts at home which were wanting abroad. There might be reclaimed, and there were many other important might be said that imprisonment for life was too severe a neces sarily imply detention for life within the walls of a gaol. What he meant by perpetual imprisonment was merely safe custody. He would not even exclude hope; for ho had no doubt that it would be found possible after the lapse of time to allow a prisoner indulgences which would not militate against his safe detention. On thiepointabundant evidence had been given before the committee in favour of Dartmoor rather than of Norfolk Island. Besides he could not suppose that the people of this country would be so unreasonable as to cavil at imprisonment for life at home while they were t abroad, perfectly willi ng t o a l low i road, where it could not be carried out under circumstances so favourable to the pri soner at home. (Hear, hear.) With regard to less har dened offenders a great difficulty arose. This country had not facilities for transporting them to colonies of the first kind ; and they could not be imprisoned for life. It bad indeed been. proposed by the Recorder of Birmi ng h am (M r . Hill), and by severa l other persons, that a criminal should I be kept in confinement until he had • givendistinct evidence his of t .reformation ; and th a t if necessary h e s h ou ld b e (le arned for life. Now he (Mr. Collier) did not think that that plan could be carried out ; for who were the parties to be F • atisfied with respect to the criminal's reformation? Were they to be the visiting justices ? Was it to be the chaplain ? Ho (Mr. Collier) did not think the public would he willing to leave a question of such moment as a man's liberty or perpetual confinement in the hands of the chap lain ; for he c ou ld qu i te • conceive a chaplain not being satisfied with a conv i ct ' s theological sentiments, and ° that ground thinking hi m unfit to be let loose on on society, (Hear.) It seemed to hi m (M r. Collier), therefore, that the . best thing they could do wou ld b e to transport' as many of these less desperate offender s as th ey cou ld f i nd colonies willing to receive them ; and to subject the rest to longer terms of penal servitude—term s which it might he hoped would break up those criminal cliques and coteries of which they had formed members. It had been recommended by Sir Archibald Alison to found one or two semi-penal colonies to receive this class ; and to which four or five free settlers should be sent out for every convict. But such a plan was open to more than one serious objection. It would be attended with extreme ex pense ; and the new colonies would be of such a purely ar tificial character that they could never be expected to flourish. (Hear.) One of the great points of those who pleaded for transportation at any cost was that transports seldom or never returned ; but that would not be an advan tage which would accrue from the proposed plan. Tho rea son why transports bad not hitherto returned to this coun try was, they had been absorbed into the free colonial population ; but if they were sent to mere penal establish ments, depend upon it they would find their way back again to St. Giles's. On the other hand, they might hope that if they gradually extended to convicts at home the privilege of freedom, they might learn to use it without abu-ing it. If they did not, and offended again, why then they must imprison them for the rest of their lives. (Cheers.) The right hon. baronet (Sir J. Pakington) ob jected to the proposal of the Government, on account of the uncertainty which would still remain whether a definite sentence would be carried out. But that uncertainty was in the nature of things. If they left it (as they ought to leave it) to the Home-office to select which of the convicts should be sent abroad, the judge could only sentence the prisoner before him to penal servitude, and let the govern ment say whether the man should or should not pass the time in a prison at home. (Heir, hear.) He (Mr. Collier) would not on the present occasion dwell on the important question whether anything could be done by the govern ment for the criminal when his sentence had expired. He thought not; for he thought that all that must be left to private individuals. Nor would he do more than allude to the promise of the right hon. gentleman to bring in a mea sure for the reformation of juvenile offenders. He thought it a wise and sound measure to connect the reforma tion of the young with measures of greater severity to adults, and on the whole he considered the plan of the right hon. gentleman a very important step towards the improvement of our criminal administration. (Cheers.) Sir J. RAMSDEN had had his attention called in a very painful manner to the subject before the house, for the dis trict in which he lived had been alarmed by the perpetra tion of many very serious crimes clearly traceable to re leased convicts. As far as he could gather the intentions of the Government from the speech of the right hon. baro net (Sir G. Gray), they appeared to have adopted two of the moat important resolutions of the committee of last session. The former of those resolutions recommended a return to transportation so far as it was available as a means of punishment. The other resolution recommended that the sentences of penal servitude prescribed by the act of 1853 should ho lengthened, so as to be identical with the terms of transportation for which they were substituted. If he had ever heard of any large and efficacious scheme for dealing with crime, be might ererhape have felt dissa tisfied with the scheme of the right hon. baronet • but so far as he knew, the problem still remained unsolved. That transportation possessed many advantages to the country was now prettily generally admitted • but he thought that the committee had stated those advantages rather too strongly when they said that it had both a deterring and a reformatory effect. So far from- that, all the evidence went to show that transportation as a punishment was not dreaded by the criminal classes. No doubt it had groat ter rors for the accidental offender, the -man who was still held by the ties of family ;• but the habitual criminal looked upon his existence as one of mere exile rather than as a condemna tion to penal servitude. Even in 1837, when the severities of Norfolk Island were at their height, they found Sir G. Arthur, the governor of Van Diemen 's Land, deploring the ignorance and insensibility of the criminal classes to trans portation, and actually proposing that measures should be taken by the Government, by the publication of tracts, with appropriate pictorial illustrations, in order to plac e before the eyes of the lowest and least educated classes, the hardehipsand degradation of convicts when working in chains. (Cheers.) Again, transportation could hardly be recommended as a reformatory punishment ; for they had it in evidence that both in Now South Wales and Van Diemen's Land the expirees and ticket-of-leave men were the very worst class of offenders in those colonies. (Hear.) But, although the purifying effects of transportation on the criminal had been a little overstated, it would be dif ficult indeed to exaggerate the service it did the mother country, by freeing it from a dangerous p est . At t he same time, he thought the Government had adopted a sound and wise policy in declaring that convicts should no longer be forced upon the colonies unwilling to receive them ; and that resolution, no doubt, much harrowed their facilities of resorting to transportation. He (Sir J. Rams• den) was delighted to find that the Government were going a steps for promoting the reformation of juve nilel so to take offenders. Every day's experience protection of society by the reformation of adult criminals was almost hopeless, and that it was by improvement of youthful offenders alone that any real or a biding good could be effected. ( Ohe e rs.) Mr. ADDERLEY thanked the right hon. gentleman for having brought forward the subject at so early a peri o d of the session. He agreed wit h ever y word that had fallen from him, and if anything had di sa ppointed him, it was that the right hon. gentlema n ' s measure di( _ not go farth er . He hoped the right hon. gent l ema n would mime up hi s mind to abolish tickets of lea ve altogether. (Cheers.) Mr. LABOUCHERE said that the proposal of his rigjit hon. friend had been so favourably received by almost every speaker, and there had been such a general desire that the principal discussion should take place on the second reading of the bill, that h e feel I t te did not f But h 1 • nece sary to t re . e ase for any lengthened time. e could not help ex pressing his satisfaction —not his surprise, for he h a d not expected t 1 that it would bo otherwise—that no spe a k er was at all disposed to v row this question fisting. exclusively as regarded r as duished from those of the interests of this count y, the colonies. (Hear.) We were bound to take a large and comprehensive view of the general interests of the err tire Britis • h e mpire—not to consider merely what might be conven i e nt and agreeable to ourselves with regard to our o wn home population, but to take into consideration the s tory and the present interests and feelings of the past his colonies. He had never believed that it would be other wise. Acco u nts had come during the recess that alarm h et i been excited iu some portions of our colonial empire by particular expressions which had fallen from some hon. mem bers last year, and from the crime Which exieted in this corm try. But he was perfectly certain that when Parliament m e t the colonies would soon discover that there was no desire on the part of that house to deal with them other than justl y on just y on such an important question. (Hear, hear.) Undoubt e dl y this question of transportati o n m i ght he considered in - re ference partly to this country and partly to our colonial e mpire. With regard to this country, it could not be dis puted that there was the greatest advantage in being able to resort, in a considerable degree, to a system of trae e p er . Wien for certain classes of criminals. It might be matter of dispute—it had been matter of great difference of opi nion amongst those who had most considered the subject-- how far transportation was or was not a deterring Pun i s h . meat to our criminal population. He believed that it acted very unequally. To be sent out of the country was to some en object , of great terror, and it might be a deterring ' -leak but he believed that there was a large aid i n - : +9 whom transportation would be anything n on t ra di c t or y opinions had been given before the committees by persons well qualified to speak on the subject. Judges and others were of opinion that tran--1 spurtation wee in a high degree a deterring punishment ; on the other hand, chaplains and governors of gaols, and persons who knew the habits of the criminal community, were strongly of opinion that transportation as a deterring punishment was fast losing its force. So far beck as 1832, when Col. Davies's committee sat, there was an intimation that transportation was beginning to lose its terrors, as de terring from crime, aad that something else must be looked to. Sir W. Molesworth's committee expressed that opinion much more strongly. Remembering that within the last 20 years no less than half a million of persons had gone as vo luntary emigrants to the shores of Australia, he could not believe that in that class of persons, from whom those emi grants had proceeded, there could exist the same dread of transportation that had existed 20 years ago, when it was hardly possible, either by persuasion or bribes, to induce any portion of our agricultural population to leave the coun try. Still, it could not he questioned that, as a means of disposing of a largo class of our criminal population, of res forming them, and giving them a far more favourable chance of improvement than they could have at home, trans portation, as an adjunct of a system of secondary punish ment, was most valuable, and ought, by every means in our power, so far as was consistent with our duty to our colonies, to be pres..r /ed. The Government had considere the question during the recess with all the attention which its importance deserved, and had come to the conclusion that, while they continued the system, they could not re commend that convicts should be transported to any part of the British dominions, except that already open to their reception—the colony of Western Australia. There had been a great deal of discussion out of doors on the sub- ject, and members thus approached the question with their minds far better informed than they would otherwise have done. The correspondence that had taken place between men of great knowledge and experience as to the expedi ency of transporting convicts to certain places showed that however, at first sight, those places might appear adapted to the purpose, there were great objections to them. In speaking of Western Australia as the only place, he did not mean that the Government would preclude themselves from taking advantages of openings that might arise in any other part of the world. But at that moment they were not warranted in holding out the prospect that any other colony would receive convicts. The places recommended in the Lords' report were Vancouver's Island, the Gulf of Carpentaria, and Western Australia. The first was placed very near to California and the United States of America ; there was a large proportion of Indians on the island itself end clese to its shores; and considering its immense dis tance from this country, and the great expense of transport ' ing convicts there, it would be most unwise in the Govern ment to propose to found a convict establishment there. With regard to the Gulf of Carpentaria, no doubt the house would be disposed to maintain inviolate the pledge given to our Australian colonies—not to inflict convictaupon them without their free consent, and would maintain that pledge not only in the letter, but in the spirit. They would not only net send convicts to the colonies themselves, but not to any place which would give easy access to those colonies. From imperfect information we possessed about Ike Gulf of Carpentaria, he was far from satisfied that the climate was fitted for a convict settlement—the very last accounts from that place spoke most unfavourably of the climate. There was another objection still stronger. The house would not be disposed to place convicts in any situation where they could filter towards neighbouring colonies. The sheep walks in Moreton Bay were extensive ; already they wore within 600 miles of Carpentaria; consequently there would be a probability of the convict population of the latter place finding their way to the colony of New South Wales, to which we were pledged not to send them. As to the Falkland Islands, Capt. Sullivan told the committee of the House of Lords that they were admirably adapted for a convict settlement with one drawback—after the convicts were liberated there was no probability of private em ployers taking them into their service to any extent. That eas absolutely fatal to the Falkland Islands as a convict settlement ; and he strongly protested against the principle en which some persons recommended the Falkland Islands as a convict settlement—that the convicts would somehow or other filter away, and not be heard of any more. That might be true of a mere handful, but any considerable number of convicts would become an absolute pest to the whole neighbourhood, and the adjacent colonies would not endure it for a moment. This was evident from what occur red at Bermuda. Occasionally convicts were pardoned there, and hal as good a right to go where they liked as any member of that house. Some had attempted to go to the United States ; and the States had immediately passed the most stringent laws, to the effect that .if a vessel arrived at any port of the United States with a single pardoned convict on beard, that vessel should be sub ject to the heaviest penalties, should be sent back again, and not allowed to break bulk. This had actually taken place in New York. He mentioned this to show that it was not such an easy thing to establish convict settlements, and let the convicts go when they were par doned, as some persons supposed. The state of feeling in the world on those subjects were much altered, and the moans of communication in the world were very much altered. (Hear, hear.) Even our own colonies had passed laws to the same effect. The colony of Victoria had passed a law of a very stringent, and in some respects a very ex ceptionable character, which prevented pardoned men from other colonies from coming to that colony. The United States had done the same thing with regard to Ber muda. If we sent convicts there we must keep them there, for other places would not have them. In none of the places mentioned would the government be justified in recom mending the establishment of a convict settlement. There remained Western Australia, at the present moment the only British settlement open for the reception of convicts, which we bad never yet been able to use to the degree that was originally i n t en d ed, and which the free inhabitants of the colony were anxious it should be used. It would be a very mistaken policy to go and incur great expense in other parts of the world, at all events until we had ex hausted th e means which this colony was willing and able to aff o rd. I t presented some very peculiar advantages as a place of reception for cenvicts. The soil, though very fer tile, was more adapted for sheep pasture than for agricul ture. The sheepwalks wore not so extensive there as in other parts of Australia, and the population were conse quently more kept together. This was a great means of preventing the escape of convicts ; there was hardly an in stance of an escape since it had bean a convict colony. It had also this advantage—a very great one with reference to the other colonies of Australia. There was hardly any communication by sea from Western Autealia to the other colonies. There was very little coasting trade ; the trade such as it was, was almost entirely with British India anti with England. There were considerable resources that might be developed by the convicts sent there ; but, gene rally speaking, Western Australia did not furnish much to the other colonies ; and the navigation was extremely long and dangerous round the cape at the south-western corner of Australia. A. very great timber trade was spring ing up there. The Admiralty had just concluded a con tract for timber from Western Australia ; and he trust el that this trade might induce the investment of capital there, and be the means of employing men. Still, it was only to a certain extent, and for a limited time, that they could look to the introduction of convicts into that colony. It would require the greatest caution, vigilance, and cir cumspection on the part of the Government if Western' Australia was to continue to receive convicts. It would be the duty of the Government to do everything in their power to surmount the difficulties that existed. One of the principal was the necessity of taking care to keep up something like an equality between the sexes. His atten tion bad been anxiously directed to that subject; he was in communication with the Emigration Commissioner.(, and hoped to be able to find a remedy for that which had hitherto been a serious evil in our convict colonies. One measure which he had felt it his duty to take, in accord ance with the recommendation of the Lords' committee, was to give facilities to convicts to send for their wives and children, also to send out destitute y oung women of good character to the colony. It would also be necessary to encourage, as far as they could, th e em i gration to that colony of free emigrants, between wh om and the convicts it was of the utmost importance that the due proportion should be kept up. Under these circrunstaectes they might hope that the colony would prosper, llst was indeed f ar from being in a decaying conditi on. tion was 5,564—a1l free, no convicts hanving lib ee th n e th P e o n p s u e l l a it . there. In 1855 the populatio n had doubled: it was 10,630, and a convict population of 2,175. Iu 1849 the revenue was 9,5661.; in 1855, 34,451/. The imports exports, in 1849, were 28,554/ ; in 1855, 105,350/. 26,150/. ; in 1855, 46,3011. The house were, in 1849, that this colony, under judiciou would perceive Management, might be the means of relieving us of our convict population for soine time to come. It had don tless been an expensive colony ; but all penal colonies were necessarily so; and the house must make up its mind t o th a t i f i t w i shed transportation t o b e carrie out with effect. But it had not been so expensive as penal coloni es i n f ormer days. Tr ansportation to this colony commenced in 1850; since that time 4,194 convicts had been sent there • and the whole expense of Bending and maintain ing them there had been 4U6,001. Looking back to the settlement of N ew South Wales, he found that in the first 12 years only 4,564 male convicts were sent out, at an ex pense of above a million of money, or more than double the cost of the convicts sent to Western Australia, which was not so extravagant as some gentlemen had been led to sup.pose. And if we were to have transportation anywhere, to any penal se ttl ement, we must make up our minds to pay' for it. H e must express his satisfaction at the fair and candid spirit in which the proposal of the Government had been met by the house. As far as principles were con cerned, there .did not seem to be any g r ea t di versity of sentiment. Above all, he rejoiced, that while members were anxious to find a remedy for any evils in tl code of thi s country, they were not unmindful of th'eairpepner-1 the British coloni es , an d were violatedeter mined to d o no thi ng, e i ther i n letter or spirit, to those pledges which they had repeatedly given, notentothinis terfere with th e expresse d w i shes of the colonies subject, not t o sen d conv i c t s t o any colony which w as not willing to r ece i ve th em, an d oven not to place convicts in any situation where they could give j ust offence to any British co l ony . (Hear, hear.) Mr. BENTINCK did not think the method proposed sub j ect, utillbiesewt(hue the beat way of dealing with the o a 1 d labour eBta. blish penal settlements nearer home, of the convicts. Mr. M. MILNES congratulated the right hon. baronet ho had intro both on his bill and on his speech, i doted it ; all ho regretted was, that ae w y h h i a cil d not both been intro made public long since, in e hick case n much onsense ehatrshave been prevented. He ' and discomfort miyg trusted that anoth er ton elapse before th e legislature pted reformatory measures wool do not be suffered to ado for adult cri m i na l s. Mr. J. (3o PHILLIMORE was oppoaed to the system of transportation, and quitted Captain M acconochie, to show that it was w h o ll y ineffectual am a refor matory process ; but produced vi ces and crimes that was degrading to humanity. He objected to giving owe', the actions o f people to the p o li ce to watch over WhoP were not in custody, and against whom no accusation was made, of the cou n t ry. as opposed to the f ee li ngs Mr. NE WDEGATE thought the country had good ground for the preen for its exertion in pressing the subject on the public attention Mr. LIDDELL siw y b e made f suggested that arrangements might pea where labour of oar employing convict 'labour at Demerara, very superior character could be found, he where the difficulty of obtaining labour to culti va t e land had exasioned many valuableestates to b e th rown. out of cu l t i vation. Much had been said about the treat ment of criminals, but in many places they were tr ea t e d as well, or better, than our soldiers. He admired as much as any one the benevolence of those men who gave up their time and means to better the position of criminals —ho re spected them for so doing, but he repented the public more, and lie thought that in many cases misunderstood clemency and misappli e d lib era l i ty were f a tal no t on l y to the gene ral - Welfare, but even to the welfare of the cr i m i nal him self. .77 Sir G. G REY replied. In reference to the cases to which Sir J. Pakington referred, he wished to state that he had at all times resisted the many applications which Lo • had b een ma d e t o him t o e x t en d th e system of tickets o f LON DON : Printed and Published b y MUItDO Y° l7l4° ' leave t o th ose who were cond e m ne d t o penal servitude. 1 of No. 112, Strand, Printer, at The Sun Office , so. tt _ t , With regar d to a case which h a d b een i nstanced in which I 112, Strand, in the Precinct of the Sy, in a man sentenced to 15 months' impri sonment had been set of Middlesex, Tuesday, February 10, avo 1667. the co ° ' s - 4 . :,.c.1‘,:i.‘i,t) at large, he begged to inform the house that, having hail a petition presented to him stating that this man had up to that tune led a very upright life, which petition wits ac companied by i vidence of in , ny mitigating facts, lie had not acted directly, but had sent the papers to Chief Baron Pollock, who had tr'ed the man, and that learned baron had advised Nm that the man ought to be set at liberty. Mr. 'M. GIBSON understood that the right hon.baronet had represented him to have said that there was a great in crease of crime and pauperism. That was a mistake. All that he had said was this—that the passage iii - the - Queen's speech referring to this subject was, he feared, too favour ably penned. Leave was then given to bring in the hill. REFORMATORY SCHOOLS. Sir G. GREY, in rising to move for leave to bring in a bill to facilitate the establishment of reformatory schools, said he would detain the house but a few moments. Tho house was aware that the reformatory schools recently established were dependent almost entirely upon voluntary contributions. The only exception was, that for every child sent the Treasury had to pay a certaii sum, and in certain cases payments were diracted to ba made by the parents. The bill which he desired to introduce did not in any way seek to interfere with voluntary institutions. Those insti tutions, though they were increasing in number, were yet, comparatively speaking, but few. It was, therefore, thought desirable to introduce the present bill, which was permis sive in its scope, and enabled counties and boroughs to establish reformatory schools, and to defray the 6.xpense of so doing out of the borough and county rates. There were provisions enabling several counties or boroughs to join together for the purpose of forming larger establishments tha❑ they could do if separate. With respect to the intro duction of children, one difference existed between those proposed schools and the establishments already in exist ence. In these latter the managers bad a right of reject ing any child if they thought fit. Of course in the refor matories to be erected under this bill no such right would exist., for the simple reason that they could not be volun tary charities, but on the contrary supported out of the , rates. The bill contained provisions similar to the sections of the existing act, for casting the expense of maintaining children, or a part of it, upon the parents, as well as some union provision, into which it was not necessary to enter at that stage, the observations which he had already made pointing at the main features of the measure. Mr. SCOTT asked if the bill would extend to Wales? Sir G. GRET said that it would. Mr. DEEDES suggested that the committing court from which the child was sent would be the proper tribunal to determine whether the parents of the child ought to con tribute to the expense of keeping that child at school. Sir J. PAKINGTON wished to express the great satis faction which he felt at hearing the statement of the right bon. baronet. He approved of the suggestion which the. hon. member (Mr. Deed* had made with reference to the payment by parents for children at these schools, and trusted the Government would take the subject into con sideration. Mr. ALCOCK regretted to see the house so ready to en ter upon lavish expenditure in behalf of these reformatory schools, when hon. members were so chary in spending money in the cause of education. Mr. ADDERLEY inquired whether there was any pro vision in the bill which would enable treasurers of coun ties and boroughs to obtain payment from parents and step-parents of children in reformatories ? Sir G. GREY said that there was such a provision, and Mr. Sidney Turner, who had been selected from his long experience in reformatory schools as an inspector, would be specially charged with the carrying out of such provi sions as made it obligatory on parents and step-parents to contribus,e to the support of their children in reformatories. Sir S. NORTHCOTE said that he thought it desirable that the judge who sent a child to the reformatory should be empowered to say what amount should be paid by the parents ; and he was sorry that that part of the bill of 1854 had been struck out. He thought that the inspec tors should make reports. Sir G. GREY—They are bound to do so. Leave was given to bring in the bill. THE ROYAL MARINES. Sir M. BERKELEY obtained leave to bring in a hill to amend the act for limiting the time of service in the Royal Marine forces. CHATHAM LANDS. Sir M. BERKELEY obtained leave to bring in a bill for enabling the Commissioners of the Admiralty to purchase certai❑ lauds in the parish of Chatham, in the county of Kent, and to stop up, divert, or alter certain ways is the said parish, and for other purposes. INCLOSURE OF LANDS. Mr. MASSEY obtained leave to bring in a bill to au. thorise the inclosure of certain lands, in pursuance of a re port of the inclosure commissioners for England and Wales. The house adjourned at a quarter-past 11. _ Country Markets, Y Lal)-(.i Ro tin .1.) . • ^ CHELMSFORD—FEB. 6. The best samples of wheat were firm at last week's rates, but second-rate qualities, much of .which was out of con• dition, were difficult to dispose of. Spring corn same as last week, with little doing. Wheat., white, old, per: s. s. qr. 34 72 new 37 71 old 32 62 new 32 62 Barley 3; 44 Chevalier 33 52 Grinding .........,33 44 Malt 73 77 Chevalier 75 79 ti. a. Oats, per qr 24 30 Peas, Partridge 41 43 White 39 46 Boiling 4O 47 Dan 37 1 0 Beans, Tiak 36 40 Harrow ticks 40 41 lAfazagan 35 17 Ditto, new.' a 5 35 red, 1 . COLCHESTER— TEL 6. Prices to-day were as follow :—Wheat, white, 62s to 74'; red, 56s to 645; barley, 44s to 52s ; oats, 243 to 28s ; bean , ' Mazagan, 36s to 38s ; middle and small, 378 to 44 5; 'vas t white, 406 to 44 $ ; grey, 40s to 42*. Official Statement of the Quantities of Corn, &c., receivel in the port of London, from the following ports, from' Jan. 26 to Jan. 31, both inclusive. A , - 657`7 401 ( 615 61 ! - 35 160, 483 37 g 4 so , 140 - 1791 1864.00 Colchester .................. Harwich ..................... I Leigh .................... Maldon ..................... I 90 ' 1 5 0 2' 1397, 1 108 737 . . KIRKCALDY—FEB. 7. • To-day we had rather large supplies of .whey and 050 9 but small of barley. Sales blow ; fine wheat !iiid barley brought last week's prices—inferior as well ale inferior oats, of whi c h the oat supply consisted, were!! per qr. lower. Wheat. I Barley. Oats. I Beans. First . . .......... 58s Od 438 03 25s Od Os o d, o •. ....... 52s Od 41s Od 1 23s 6€l , Os OT Secon d ..... 303 Od 32s 03 20s Od i Os Q" Oatmeal, 36s to 38s per bag of 280ll$ COAL MAR -FEB. 9. Prioes of Coil per ton •t •- ,•- " i the close of the mar ket. •: .4. ,, n . Wsljiend, &c. • .. Hetton is 6 ' Russell's Hetton 17 6 South Hetton 18 0 , • ' Gosforth l6 Wharnelitre ..,. l6 6 . Eden Main ~.,,, ...... l7 t Braddyll . .'- - 17 9 6 Hetton Lyons Ma in l6 • Lumley 17 3 L ambton jg 0 Stewart's 18 t Jassop 17 South Hartlepool 17 " e. Bates's West Hartley 14 0 Bell's Primrose , l3 6 Bebsifle's Hartley l5 3 Davison's West Hartley 15 6 North Percy Hartley l3 9 Tanfield Moor Butes 14 3 Tanfield Moor l4 3 Victoria l3 9 Stanley .Afaiti . l5 6 West Riding 1 .............. 9 Walker Primrose l3 9 Vi r allsend, he. Riddell l6 6 Birchgrovo Graigela _2O 61 hip at market... I Sold 56 LOCAL SHARE MARKBTS. LIVERPOOL, FEB. 9. STOCK EXCHANGE. The market was doing a steaclf business to-day, and prices were slightly higher than on Saturday. Birkenhead, Lancashire, and Cheshire, 106 f —South Eastern, 22L 3 London and North W es t ern, —Manchester, Sheffield, and Lincoln 34 x d.—Midland , 821 I — Blackburn, 8 21—East Lancashire, 23i—Lancashire and Yorkshire, 96 i — Eastern Counties, 9.6.3.—N0rth Eastern, Berwick, 211 1 —St. Helen's 5 per cent. iitock, B, 105—Do. gr. 6 -per cent. Stock C, 1211. BIRMINGHAM, FEB. 9. Srocx EXCHANGE. —There wan a dull market to-dalo and a limited lousiness. N or th 2 ta ff or d n Birmingh am Canals, , Mills, 31. 93 ex di v .—Bi rm i n gha m New Unto MANCHESTER, FEB. 9. STOCK E XCHANGE.---The market was active to-day, but very little change in values. Dovers, 22 3.l6—Leeds, _voi —Midlands, 82 g —London and South Western, 106i — * Blackburn, Bi—E ast Lancashire, 23i—Sheffields, 341 — ; Great Western 664—Midland Great Western, halves, 26 —Cheshire Juoct. 2.3i—Belfast and Ballymena, halve' , 264—B an k of .Manchester, pm. BIRTHS. OF A EON. On the Bth inst., at Goldsmiths'-hall, London, the wir e of Walter Prideaux, Esq. On the Bth inst., at Romford Lodge, Romford, E B / 48%, the wife of F. A. Redman, Esq. OF A DAUGHTER. On the Bth inst., at Eton, the wife of the Rev. Joynes. On the Bth inst.. at the Terrace, Barnes, Surray, the WU . of William Howell Preston, Esq. MARRIED. On the 7th inst., at the British Embassy, Faris, th e Rev. James Fletcher, M.A., of B a lli o l C ollege, O x f o rd' to Selina. Jae Elizabeth, you nges t d aughter of S i r Si n ooti Stuart, Bart. pir gh On the 7th init., at St. Paul's, Knightsbridge, -•- u -; Augustus Crofton, H.X's 10th Regiment, to Arne" HArriet, eldest daughter of Chalice Farquharson, E g g . ' of Chesham-place, On the Bth i ns t . DI E D. dens, Gat Stanhope-terrace, Hyde-park-gt" en --r ge Webb, Esq , Secretary to the Stock . change, aged 70 . • On the Bth i nst., at 40, Church-street, Chelsea, Mr- Go S. Bulmer, aged 33. Ou the Bth i nst., Mary Jane, the wife of C. iH. C. hi- 1 10, Esq., of the East India House. On the Bth inst., Thomas Mann Foster, the only B°n of .. Thomas F os t er, of Grange-road, Canonbury, and 5, t cheap, city. M ' pin e, Ou th e 7th inst., at 108, Eaton-square, Colonel Jsu l l Kin 's Hussars, of Wyzidsor Hou se , co . M a y o , l a t e o f the 15 ' 1 ' On the 7th inst., Thomas Jones, Esq., solicitor, of 6° ' Stanhope-street, Hampstead- roa d, age d 44. On the 7th inst., at Grove-end-r oa d, St. John's-woo d ..ames Russell, Ess. 172, 1 E t k f