The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser. — Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1833-05-03 00:00:00

olesfrtkilltoeisthedt besohfore he entered into the conside ration of stance to explain to the househ he i sor ope L ~ and to state the rounds on which pursue.ound Ir l i th tl r is v ii etz l i (1100 thenad o t o pdistayythi vision lt course whie which he a w d a o s oe about orred t o (11Fri o l o v s e x i d ,Y , h s t Urprise th C a e t rtai it ni h y a , d a-n ta o k ti e c n e h t a n d e t be fGorovsoemrno -' toe book that * such a proposition about o 441 four•• 4 tit bit , notteegsentytelerteneono that itresotrrdeecorlholecolk,and.onittowhfeasn_wiegehlt 4 c°lllllli'rciptYe trhoef the tee of supply , two motions only could bp mad fors were of , the house , on the question going ileasin e day, and the other on the question . of the °ll hat . g t.lie chair. lie must confess he did no f t r exf i e n c_t 'lire would the motion of the hon. member the o fourth .ie li td. °LOW have been brought forward, it being . hos. ert u i ll b t one of the motions which preceded i that of lity i ll f e l ! for Oldham —going off; in consequen ce of an for IsC e giving of the notsce, and that o the re h e o a n l . kalt ablin being withdrawn, the motion for the 13 The 4 0f tal collie c onsequently under discussion. did n o easbers, besides, who were in the house _on o t o h m a_t lueroteamoUnt to more than one-half of the wholc , _ lt :rent srrss.„„_,The question was supporte d . by gent!ensee.. whiehy"uos, and he certainly did not thiuk that the n 0 nne ot .ad taken place occasion would tithilat inch e ill adopting the de c i ded line of policy whi c h l , _ 4 the dated. On - these grounds, then, he certanina)siditud of sue d ecisive of that question placed ministe rs i n at h; h t al ep_barrassinent. lie was perfec tl y ready to ad :atio aisMe, that it was very objection . lne to make such ar oe i .all as the one with which he intend . e lt d er to a on- 'e th e i'• In a certain degree to rescind and a to eh, wose came to but a few nights ago. lit to Te hets s v., h i ell) eeooos der anontw o d o i f ffi t c h u e l t i housees ,lie h t a n d e.o f e e o lt or i s t s e h .o h i e e s t. d lt h u a irp t d o si: th at th: ivoernraent had determined to it came in tb to on Fri ', Ile th ou °,50 Perseveres in the vote 1(, a n d 4 _, c ogrit it necessary that the houseshou l l r d hi b ch e el lseq„ eo L . s. • consideration, the alternative Ole of the of that vote presented. He had . stated in ly did ,L,o_?!lebate which took place on th e occasion that thepro- Is e ,%ti r c think it of great consequence whether 6c0',., repeal of the half or the whole of the tax iy oee_le contrary, he was prepared to , and it was es eet orsa.ry that he shouid avow the s s e a iltiment, that, It sa bstit a would .ePeal of that duty taking place , and the con ,wisest ut °'n of another tax in its stead, h i lea ts course to take off the whole of the motion did , In the same light he considered _motion di s .°Ytthe baronet to the house. (Hear, hear.) . ‘s no see ho it was possible for any gentleman to I. ° voi-Pi.r°Posons without at the same time being pre- Mee t worthy 1444 or the imposition of a property tax. ' f eet r e LsFeorlded the present motion had, indeed, e avowed 're th — ' i tiess to take that course. , frillt, that the best course wo i u i l e d P t aeconsi alterii • ( h I s e o t r o d A i Ith e o t r f t e ) efore the house ; for it was necessary . _ o_ u pru atul d•atlye, and to see whether it was one which i the s iseretion the house ought to adopt. thought e ; it i .t,/si)oo : n iu o d f e a etf p r i o t p tco e .o r or t a y ldis t e a rt x zot w loh e ,eooo 7 ,oooy_e y, adopted osrm a z " .a t l e a l 11, 0 o t e h . at l it t operta%ts,bdesirable 11,00 0 , 00 °, s 4i'ax, a substitute for the other taxes. In applying lute clear that it would be a property tax. the the ieludid.not then wish to argue the ques o tio 4 ) :ikl h e Pl iey Of such a course ; his er to p r 0 i mpo u it ic; but he mast say that ow t th e u .Pos such a tax unless it were ,c, r e con nit Kingdom. (Loud cries of ' H e ar. ") t. pm. nh e e x P t t e hi e x tend to thought wt the al st 44 ; ofeleste&anY tax so universally unpopular as h t o be mo re and why were they to suppose that _a o s t in e sil e a r r . is tap •s d s Popular at the present moment? So_ . y . , ost s e- 1 Modifying and altering the system 'aef raised sahsii‘aY.that, if a large sum of money was to b boottli'ep7siositibioef illetprtool_mieratzetaixt universal—impossible other taxes, it o it)est ; . -s s and lay it on another. To do so w nn e t a a r ~)• 44 , •Pastisee• (Cheers, and cries of " Hear, . h th e iel-•.•een, that it was utterly impossible for * the fie• Were adopt seriously to adopt such a proposition; ,4.(l°Pted then it was absolutely neces sa r y that it I,7ever_4it.e4Pt'l,cable io all classes of prop t e t r e ty in the country. _ l 4 li _ Proposition differ from I. f 4 th Y gentleman who recoll ected pwrooopledrthyetta.ex.adoyf Alkede Most unpopular impost itwaspo lt ssibly to devise: . exersiseedf ;in9,uibitorial power ? tt It IL I/. the collection of that liV ta. 'h x y 'it th w e as i - ere ." °Pen to all sort of imposition and fr i a t t t i e niy T v eil to escape what was thought l I 'better Eli • qinu i so - 1 st ia l Ph i s l e e l „.cotli'iad a ntilast the tax was desp ised and detested by " l ain 41. Y. The hon • member for Bridport had o e n rt a Wss ''tated, that seefri the objections to a pro urged 'l4;taPared to adopt t an .Y, and, achnitting his premises, very en al_ i , an income tax, and he had n u ! hat h 0 tax would be the most equ a l s ys tem per'-'-i at ( I, "on. member proposed to make the tax if I ' he think he could do this with any degree of a , ihalldY PrEoposition worthy the attention of the hous e ts*Pre e s e- ' oe Would g* , it his best attention, anad— Lceite ~, tl it : )i : sit h y b e l ood r i d h . not- La de v ocate t h principle of pro te staid, he l'i adi s br s . o u . Entertaining , e then, the 'to tasktmstance to the house. Its meaning wastonlof Iglt rt. forward a in atnicle ke t i e , , e . the sense of the house upon the cines ation Is ont e ,„ re d ming the large a . m . ount ot tax 0 property th e M the Plated, without the impositioil f . a opinion •loles p :rt to call upon the house to g s_ at i ts th l e ve present mo eiletittw tlei•us.cartolfasdube au s im uired t that in the reformed_ '• ,f; t.liillistry were bound to to follow the directions s o o t' trd 410oifs h... „ ih ~ considered Very just; and especially to - oet ••"aocial matters. Ile certainly was r redy h e al rine, and he thought that the ministry, ta ki ng . t tha.'stract, were bound to follow the orders o f e t aide c the individual members of the administr atio n 0 _ „ j eli th t s s uch an O blig ation to adhere to any course . that shoe, considered i mprop er. lt might be said, tha . ally -lo which his et was worded he ad opp I s ler s , , 1 of di ffe a re in n e t n oinions against it; that ta ° , :- by those who were - in favour of the repeal of . 10 t he : w ell as by those who were in favour of o t m l e n it tibuse and window tax, in addition . to 4 4 1 . 11 of lat both taxes might be repealed, without the a iNpisatlY other tax whatever. Perhaps 1 4 ti le lciently in thus uniting these parties, he mi g ht if the i coosipose should decide - against the amendment,roba 'e ts(w e 'Y that they had expressed their disap tiasishoen:u,sol44ltoiretsasnhii oh e i)n h d C, the h oh e oad t n h ci o eo u llt g oh h ra t to finances of the P c oii n - h h o e t q l e l d r . not (Hear.hin . think taker•l e s a Q:t had u s e e o x o a s g 1 g d e e r -ablya te d less the expense h at a hs e ri e Eht that es of leisstar„o"ll the excise, and only a little greater than e ec c t o in st g o_m tn si, l ot e • o th ll ' " ie b II s. N °vv, a few words with respect to the ale (ew duty . e (Lord Altho had roposed as to the nits co It h ad rehz4lieated b ee n ) objet P ed at the t h ii cv e th , and. it had since been o i th at great shopkeepers and not the small ones. at th s .`eci both these objections, and he ee,JmulY . n e e Ct e fi d i a , t t hat ' eal t ,j l e, was consider. ble force in the latter. , t his •s-agreat sacrie made, revenue he should be able 114kier'" t 0 be by which it appeared that Jle'beLieultY• He had e proposed to exempt from the ; hi lt 4 (1. winclows which-might be employed for shop 'at ai l lea would abaudon that proposition, and propo se r° M., ti:„ases ha ing shops attached to them should b '• e in th- vsaYrnenvt o - f d tvf r one half of the windows 4t he h "use Th . il l ° tl,ss jettlyaetvierye.icierseerpirpotploonsed,Fainedgitrewa-tioulv impler than the ass a c t h ss • is pan was s would e a g ff r u e rd t ted being relief to ,rescoosid°olll which he • was compelled to call upon the 1 n ' e `l t o h i era Pro he which they had adopted ; bu t as Is ,, ol tha t Liiid h,,, on h justified in consi te s . isi oo 0 ,, ~o, ministers were not _ , ! ___ i_ de _ 'e d e agre ed t e?' the circumstances in which that ie,iet-ntieloddu_le house .upon that occasion mena—muu t " That lof t Y il in the wit moving as an amend . by the te le t e ta x 0 verv e, which would be occasioned by a 11 malt to 10s , the quarter, an d l• ed •te o lt , ll i t ion osuatisgeesnand windows, could,eoritiylyaboedsuppi income, brt _ ove eh d „,__ . eral tax upon pro pert y j it : th e iii"„e in..our : , • hole finan_c, r i. ))system, 4 % , 11f)pe node 4,Penient. (Hear, hea o * ble lord's 'M es s out w nouse would not affirm the n which INy ect, aid act anon the principles which it had hith- II , r et , X`. 4c tia ad Masi r ° to the Government the same answer eh ( loo m e to the p e th, ,4 1iy 5• 1 F as t t I n d ia Com p an y. I , 4 1 , ( , Rove au that they could not • 11 ' ' said I.ll°Mat deficient re v enue, 14 ) cot •-• th e , .of India with a , y. When the t I "but a 0 'its oss 3 ,, ,ut t resident of the Board of Con ro , I tsWerroes.veaile '• B4 , l3 , l) T lies, you will soon suit your expendi -11, „,1-• the rin,k, hon\Alear, hear !)approv ed of lie highly aProv house th e •• ` ° l't it -"'' • gentleman and thought tone r r il- rote Po this • ' hop ed they would _ be. - 14 fa 'Which tiny bad i.fm. ,He t01',.N5,,,,, vr)ur of that .3' given on a former evening. He ~ siiii._••e 0r,0,1 iszoposition, in order n, produce that es„,:.e no,„' i ' us ajesty's ministers which was neces 'k gip . . ac e , theincome , th • II , Minodate the . ex penditure to tile t i e cite "Mutt i • .• • , The Government ette r 1. ' 4 that c lay - il the ss stem. of it • • Yt, r i nd the house must assist them , dud, following the advice of their consti '.. rated - nted to Mr. Marshall4° juelcti,so bide accounts. , stag u e ' s ,k e wish, on Lord Sandoos' bunses 0 1, tie (ji ... . • • P'Qf the e . . c o ,„ • ' ' • / 01y ;. , titi, amendment • • ,ell ; ( 1/11 1 ,,, e at 1'414 ' i r ie ' T t tin on another au' c i 'd 1 31 . .", e b e eZ n ,,P l etelN . ame we could not, i 4 "ltght t fi there appeared k ti c , due s ti o l 'rwar t i • • • • • • itt'wll four '••• ' • • • Ittte sp rat t • e th -t aitte • Dek e 0 3 amendment • th •(. ri rd er third time on the 0 ,1 qt( )/ eavi n oi ns ,, th at g 0 11•: 4 're 'vex • '• • • tlie t i; el4 t l' . '°tlld • • • • • • • ° l l. ro ' bat 't ae )llll4l it e1415 e 1 if the motion • • A 4 kb er Y th y were then clipose. th e fo r „ clock. • li er k alt ": t ESDAY. ei d• °f oae ots for select connnitt. r of Id no , pal laming of undue . di ft . n laeinh' e .a B n ithgow and for Sali•; c v l et i ; r i e l ttt gr r • L quarter to five 9,0 174_ ?ti the avenues leadinr, isi(tinrit a considerable inaltld', .1 that ratan the ;allery being oPejaCt et the d e „ lt . s tremendous , n u l ad ', , great ` .l eporters were enable Pre_ane h aa et 410,..5iti01l second reading of do tbt whioaaineiat , to a th e 1 0 , i d that the propos e ' 0 kbaf e heos e encroach upon, W e . ( 141 4 to f t . ad as an amendinew" ay six months.ood, mr, aresl, l a tha t t, lle G r. Alderman W I cleared for a 6 ' 115 ti fibers appeared-- %,. t u t seq,, e ' oc t a . ................... 1 :'•411 8 . e °I th e .................. It:4, } did „e Il i i alt. lve „ r e f or t mr of the bill. • ... Y e reu ....cond time, and or 'le e te e 0? " ?oft s th e sub __ a ad upon Sir John luP s h e tvi se 'ttta , h st liately.gave waY t a of' ti s h ear,) , that, in consequeigiot' t eed, rtl itted ion. colleague tout ,„ hies 14 ahe b: his constituents a il s r rig ) t . ( :)N e Westminster. a dd v4t e P f t° e under the present o ,„re Perf Who for lope that he coul co INeet se constituents and the s jo te th it occasion in su ch tit' the ll kir7 ll 4 l ' , for this evening, Oa t , alt er b, Ity and character ag e . , ti f atid 4atil ty to 'his constituaTre, „the s, disci( painful necessity ° t i d o! ti .f , te er ances he (Sir F• 130 to (1 0. ip to i e fa et :' now betiged leave, the ,Dert„ .aa 1)4 ,ster, in ale room leave e r , l 74s tl accepted the Clo' ty yitte the pet i t i ons against to ire o d and red l e 4 .4 u t ",, b e n te WINIDOW , or TAX ' t„), eii ) ro ni id said, that repre,ite y tax o eels,] ,rly aggrievedtrd /tetj lie window taxe o f h a b e lc s, hould not be aec as to c o re h e t a i kll lol would grant him u hje b last s e d ;ed them on the joo § tab st b a Y aims of the incitis"vhieb e e inefficiency wit h ‘„ t it? gs o3 °lie P e ° 3 es at present in for the as bei,sest rere aware, upon tt.',oos o'_eved:t?Ji £lO per anuinti,l4lo 90 It i t ' th e ,111 for him to enter t 0 4 W et . l eg this .it Ita• t s e a , ress of i tax o f ly a h d measures, it was' lo t (q-pii, n and so moderato thi no. When first lo' i !d ta la th e e ver iunted to only 2°. tto t e ) . k Q(l 41 ' •adually progrese,, ~09t lee t e . reis e( [ mount exercise o►.tioa, •-• 00 0 4 6 w It isorbed a large P a h, if ,ty,„ e se ,rious classes, w hi'; seco e' , gi osed, would liave 'et 7 3 , c oo at and comforts to hs„,p,ht a, they were so weit!,,,t , 1 2t41 attained to their Itf u e ' s ' t the t elli t ,"; ti e s P emonstrating a,•;l.lorioett,, )cities of an utile. n i a ciw .t ; ipport ministers , r ", c 1 tha t W' lt t ( j t iety, and he trust an ess, iot.tr• any 11(1 not copy such ra t" e ,Rh at r qu e ° l' he increase of th e (l _ p r ,:tt y was then engav%ijh 011 lf Pc orary measure, tit a e led for its iilll 3 ° s ' o f Co° l l'Ll ee " it s '& sI ins to the 1 -101 '"he ne t 1, 4 '14. t ° t anuary, 1832, t. (ter alY b t a 4 s tic a a l which sum cool t he sa l kid .ee nt '' yof London au dde d to o th e Ili th rtality, and if 3 re e es th e te xe ilisiry in the th e k,,Pr ltshire, Laneasht.Twore `, l Nseht the it united, they P" 1 tiftY s i l 'et t • T.l r the whole of lire„, r ovt t t ,at les ; thus clearlYetroins ip tt t t q' t , (l , tt hag and Inanufato aced t treat this tax a s levi e be b il let that ter in which it Wa a ld e r t t o ts,Oad er we were to e on hv the ; th 1. For instance,' c i fo r4l 1, 41 I:l 4e _ (. 'lir houses in P e ,„l 14', L e ally r an n.- • e Ae he aggregate d ,hir 'l;: ' laic p,s r £l2OO. Ij e dfer , 05, qtt•I A-Parr" hom e th th e , as -abbey, Wle b ci h annes-house. C °l o ) foth er t t! tl a great number . 0 g ro, i , of its of nobilityl_.tas sforto '(fitted; Lppurtenances, , 03c s titi e. tt,114,,0uf ti r e , ntended to be 0° CI 4) 4 th eoo s i, rty, why did all ' b il e the th ot nt e tiled went of £,17 0, t'v 4 d . , alio ti t° L e l e paid £l , ll 1 3'• w hich t a to 8 114 apartments , cievoo,',4,,ii t a oo the whole bein,,, (Ai ~5 tig. a xes due consisted ? re tard ' to t to th t le sstt appeared by a ~s ess eLl ,ye 5 11:0,ta to '• y taken, were al ver aged i et itiq c ,;:th 0 each u pon at' to les' ei , `et . , e °at' inufacturing "'Voles a r England and Ir, aq soars the same atitc'ut„hicall'oth tl,s,llsid n from topogr?r, s or`;' th ~'ngland and \"l,-0002010 nealenl not be less tionni2.,(Pbo itt e l , 4 kin hich had cost ft° uses t , t g age cost of the -o'lo_7o ,4 £1,500 to I:27oleivi,, proiavou 1)1.47 een the cost 0 carrie.th 0 4, ied, but the tra u t `C„eil ° j t W er l°4 l tax which 5 was . 13 c iis 4 N ! t , cription o f hon. eif tit oe h e ade and industr,Y;o, Y, d` t 8 of ouse and wio t h ' t dot' t) sit„ )ken up, and LA. ° 5 wit'ljt; e•art_e..,eo_s hagers, collecter,ilhejal.o,s to 4 , ,be sweptawaY• county t wash icts, might, lil'ees.setla,rroc ,„ tele e i s an district, he a . - „ b t he itoe r e xpense aiong,!"oo,cr 11, , :ley 4 O,Ad such of toe b, eic s h iie, 11 1 1 ' th e ,o retain inig h a t ; it and collece liar.rieio , amore diffi CtlitY a ble ter t ," t a 5 ,1 •11 ils t to use any -a?! - _ act - e on 0 • i ,tl st Qeni iing a licence "u,b, se ij itl ,114 ) , 4, ) In reference to ",, e - 0 q es ivithout the tax' ''easice,(l Isckt_ cttion to le ittupo - 4 p t lY 1 1 4,P a prono- cot th e e •,;.•4 argument. trusted {cafe?sr thCbr which he ' l l , 4Ye g :he taxes tiP°.'de •• of y depressed (nisitro•twheli, 0 0 5 Q , , tl t- r ltt !very objecti? o f C.e 'd t 'l4 rev ( advantage,!,,, as se o , 1 t portions 01 tt:`_,,,d, Fla a role dow tax be rel .conded the roo"h,iir, soic° fav the the c •on ° n put so tatt he r t o tat as re if at, os 4 111 11 - th ouse was to k t i r t was ready tO e t t.:1! tuents, tell his Majesty's ministers Government could not be carried heretofore, but that they must cut of amount of the two votes, which cou: come or property tax, but by ram nomy. It was with this view that h motion, and if, unfortunately, it sh, duty, when the noble lord's moti amendment, "that thb deficiency i be occasioned by the reduction of peal of the house and window taxes, a reduction of the expenditure of the sufficient, by new taxes, which wow the . property and capital of the coun Mr. HEATHCOTR said he wished importance, the suggestion of his ' Essex) had been adopted, and time house to consult the wishes of their before the house was to be decided by continuing the malt tax, or impo, property. He wished to take off th present circumstances, rather subin Sir JOHN WROTTESLEY said, he tion to the speech of the hon. me could not at all gather from his ai was to be made up in any other Believing that a tax on property wt and that the evils arising from the rior, he should support the resoluti might also add that, when the pro , might be called rather a beneyole , luntary grants were made to our Ki of Bonaparte was then, on the op . invasion, and the people paid will; country. Such would not be the fe , 1 - le would conclude by saying, not circumstances, should regret a pr( tion now would be inexpedient. Mr. ROBINSON said that with rep noble lord, he must say that he had it involved what might be called ' was, whether it would be proper to house—(no, no), a house containi cond, the propriety of doing away tax. The third, a property tax in the threat of the noble ford to resig. ported. The noble lord, in makirq that it must influence the judgment blame for making it. In his °pink they were bound to relieve the coun of taxation. lie believed that mini they could—it was for the house to afford relief. As to those who votes tax on Friday night, he did not s' them now to support the proposif Chancellor of the Exchequer—(het tion, however, he should leave to th, He did hope, however, that gentle , their minds an idea which seemed namely, that they were to represei not the house evade the question. situation they would be placed if th was affirmed, and that of the honor of London rejected. The house, he in a very different situation from ti the vote of Friday night. He did motion put the question fairly be, opinion the Government would hay , had acquiesced in the vote of Fridi your to get rid of it by any subtt hon. member declared that he shou to the motion of the hon. baronet the amendment of the Chancellor o Mr. BENETT thought the house al debt of gratitude to the present adi more than any former administrati( ;that house in the estimation of the felt great reluctance and regret in a, which tended to embarrass that Go' be his feelings towards ministers, h, to perform, and was bound, above he was not accused by his constitu, for the vote he should give. (Hear, vote of Friday night not as a defeat triumph to the reformed House of C ment itself. (Laughter.) He cent( bers of a reformed Parliament voted a minister so popular, and deserved'] to the House of Commons, but sti! ministry by whose exertions that hol ing as he did towards the Govern, he could not vote with ministers sorry that he could not now support Chancellor of the Exchequer. fhth to its vote of Friday night, he did rit must. necessarily produce a proper much might be dime for the relief great reduction of expenditure, for ble reduction had' been made. Ht motion on the state of the 'cOunti measure might have been brought question, which would relieve - the et standard of value. He ath;o6ated been proposed by Mr. Ricardo, w questions of that nature ; but if th( that a property tax was not desi; therefore, necessary to rescind the Mr. COBBETT must be allowed t, every hon. member who had hithe' peared to him to keep out of sight peared to be the most important character of that house. His opin rescinded its resolution of Friday n! be most fatal to the character of (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) c; a course which would effectually d. country. There were some parts of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, derable pleasure to hear ; but the the house was taken by' surprise by the question was prematurely and t Taken by surprise, Eh ? Pretty su. a notice of a motion by - the hon. 1111 all the malt duty, ever since the firs; notice of the hon. member for Line , one-half, which had stood for the 15t had been altered, had been sufficien on, and could scarcely therefore be prise. And what, too, could be m cession which preceded the resolt dared that many gentlemen had ad ferent grounds. The only different whilst some cried out to take off o) the whole duty off malt; he himself he knew of no other distinction in noble lord said, in one part of his which formerly was imposed, was un, the member for the city of London was a tax put on income or propel was. Did he not care ? Then he was to be an income tax, levies was, the collection of it would r property tax was a feasible scheme. a property tax a good one, nor e' consent to such a property tax as considered it was of all sorts of tar cept one, to which he would advert come tax a surgeon—to take him ai whose income continued only durin was dependent on his health, or hi other contingencies, which did nol four years' purchase, this man, of 60 years, was liable to the same pa, manent income from a real estate, Whigs of 1806, who, when out of of highwayman's tax, and when they I 61 to 10 per cent—(cheers). Aye, highwayman's tax. " Every man ; he entirely agreed with him in op: proportion to the extent of the pm the protection of the state." The so noble, that like Swift, he might " Fine words truly. I wondem He knew that on last Saturday thm shire and Surrey, rejoicing for the the house 'adge by that whether th judge of the feelings of the country should occur so shortly after their p Why the reformed House of Com, months without affording a single wa anxiously expected; but it, hoese, as if ashamed of its inertn; take off the malt tax. Well, the bells are set a ringing, and to-more I To-morrow comes the news that ti Mons, who only on Friday had dec . Ihad on Tuesday, at the commar command—consented to rescind th fore, was the talk of a nominee pa, nee parliament could not be more nor do More than refuse to reliev, THE', L I%rF R POOL STANDARD. S7l s that the machinery of their the reformed house—ay, the reformed house!—on Friday night thought himself called upon, out of due regard to his own c h a -: d on upon the same scale as taking a bold step, and the first step to relieve the people s and ratter, to resign the situation Ite held under government, io off five millions—that was the on Tuesday night they were whipped like spaniels into their w h om h e was strong l y attac h e d , b ecause h e f e l t t h at h e could uld be done without either in- kennels again —(cheers mixed with e eroans). Ile was now not, upon t hi s try i ng occas i on, g i ve t h em that support whichhisrely adopting a system of eco- breathing an element where men had long been accustomed to situation called upon him to give, without the sacrifice of Ls lie should support the original eat their words, and now he feared that they were disposed to character as a public man. He had therefore felt it his duty to could be lost, it would be his swallow their resolutions, digest them as they might. What resign his situation under government, and also his seat in the lion was put, to move as an would be the result? Why, the result would be, that if the house. He (Sir Francis) felt himself placed in a situation not in the revenue, which would house had not the confidence of the people their vote might be quite so difficult, however unpleasant, because he held no public the duty on malt and the re- a fatal one. The house had heard the noble lord's (the Chan- situation, and he should, fearless of all consequences, do that s, ought to be provided for by cellor of the Exchequer) speech. They had heard him declare which at this trying moment he felt his duty to his country ire- he country; and if that be in- his determination to resign if they did not rescind their resolu- periously called upon him to do. He did not intend, sehen this uld bear more equally upon tion of Friday. Why the noble lord treated them as a mother subject was first brought under •the consideration of the house, entry," did her untowaid children—he threatened, as did the mother, to vote for the hon. alderman. Had it come under the considt- d that, on a question of such to deprive them of the light. He woad withdraw the light of ration of the house unencumbered with other ci rcums t ances , h e wereshould y a h r a t i v c e u f l e a l r t l y i t i h n i t s e d r i e i s t t y e t d o i s n u tier), and d i e t i l i r e e i c r a i t i l l s t e e r l e ri s s t s e o w n :, tt t m i e o e r t e s hon. friend (the member for his countenance from the councils of his Majesty, and he ex - e given to the members of the • petted the house to cry, like a child shut in a dark room, "Oh, r constituents. The question mammy, do net leave me "—(loud laughter, which 'was ma- materially concerned than those of any other part of th e public. only by a choice of' two evils, terially increased by the dramatic gesture of the hon. member.) N ow the question assumed a complicated shape. Th ere wer e losing a tax on income and do not leave us." But to take a higher ground of comparison. three questions under the consideration of the house. One, he malt tax, and would, under Let him recall to the house the threat of Catiline when expelled whether the vote as to the repeal of the malt tax was to be re- nit to that evil than the other. the Roman senate. " You may drive me out from among you, scinded ? That it ought to be rescinded—that it ought never to had listened with great atten- said that noble incendiary ; "but I call upon you to reflect h ave passe d un d er th e c i rcums t ances un d er - w hi c h it did pass, ember for Middlesex, and he that; if you do, the same fire which shall devour me shall con- no gentleman could for a moment entertain the slightest doubt. arguments how the deficiency some you." (Loud i groans, and expressions of dissent.) Well, It having passed, the house was called upon to agree in the p ro - r way than by a property tax. well, to leave all such matters at rest, let the house rescind its position that it would be inexpedient to adopt a property tax.— y rould lead to great discontent, resolution of Friday, and how would they look the people in the Ile thought it impossible to attempt an fedi change with due to malt tax were greatly nate- face after they had regard to the service of the country. He w as , h owever , b oun d done so ? Their own character, as a legisla- tion of' the noble lord. He tive body, was implicated in the decision, and to that they must to say that no tax could be laid upon the cou nt r y so equa l an d roperty tax was first raised, it look. That 'night it must be decided whether they would be- fair as a tax on property. The plain question before the house !nee (the term used when vo- come the objects of contempt or of respect; and he would yen- was one of great embarrassment to ministers, but then it was :hags) than a tax. The army tare to prophecy- that, if they decided upon revoking their own impossible, in this state of the session, to accede to the pro- pposite coast, threatening an act of 1 riday, they would take an immense stride towards the position of the repeal of the house and window tax. The vo t e singly for the defence of the annihilation of the constitution of Great Britain. (Cheers and the house was called upon to give was, whether or no the go- eesings of the people in peace. groans, in equal proportions, followed this speech.) vernment or the country' should he supported ? This was u t, th a t th e c ou ntry, under all Mr. SPRINo Rims contended, that the resolution of Friday ministry to which every honest man ought to give his supp or t. e roperty tax, but that its adop- was not to be looked upon as a solemn and recorded vote, or"in Could the same light as if a bill were passed carrying its object into tion they give the financial state of the country that consic i erc which was given to it by the Chancellor of the Exchequer gard to the amendment of the effect. He thought the explanation of the noble lord (the Notwithstanding thirty-four millions had been taken o ff s i nce . 1 put it on a fair footing, and Chancellor of the Exchequer) had sufficiently informed the t h e peace, st ill there was somet hi ng i n t h e state o f t h e country four propositions. The first house of the circumstances under which the resoletien was car- which made the pressure less tolerable than it was during the o rescind the vote of a full ried; and that, consequently, some consideration would be had unexampled expenditure of the last war. It appeared to him, ring 311 members. The se- for' these extraordinary circumstances. How stood the ques- that any contraction of the income of the country would rend er with the house and window tion as regarded the dignity of that house in the present in- it impossible to meet all demands. The state of the country n prospect; and the fourth, stance? He thought they were called on for consistency's reminded him of the blanket which could riot be made to cover en in case he was not sup- sake—for their own honour, to vote with his noble friends. five or six persons. It seemed to him unreasonable to demand it; such an appeal, knew well He would appeal to the house from the majority of 10 on from the Chancellor of the Exchequer such aelefalcation with- tof many, and he was not to Friday night in favour of the reduction of the malt duty one - out pointing out how it might be remedied. He hoped that th e on, the time had arrived when half, when the house was taken suddenly, to the deliberate house ' either by an income or some other tax, would get rid of ntry from the present burden vote given by the same house, in a crowded house, on the th ose taxes which there was any chance of repealing. sisters had done as much as, 26th of March last, against the proposition of an honorable L or d SANDON sa id, th a t a numerous b o d y o f hi s const i tuents rdo that which would really member, that certain taxes should be repealed, and that a had presented petitions upon this subject, lint he owed his con- ed for the repeal of the malt graduated property tax should be instituted instead. \V hen stituents a greater duty than to obey their wishes. He should see how it was possible for he or others solicited them to contrast and weigh the ar- be unworthy of the confidence reposed in him if he were to seek ition o f th e nobl e lord, the guments and opinions entertained on either side of the house, relief from burdens by putting in jeopardy the public crede, !an hear.) That considera- and select that proposition which they felt would he thebest, not upon which the whole prosperity of the state rested. 'He felt he hon. members themselves. for their Own popularity's sake, but valet stood on solid grounds that it was not taxation, but want of confidence, which produced emen would discharge from and on general principles, he was induced to hope he should not a stagnation in industry, partly arising from political rind partly d somewhat too prevalent— be charged with either attempting unjustly to sway or delude the from commercial causes. To repeat seven or eight millions of ient particular classes. Let calm and deliberate judgment they ought, and no doubt would, taxation, without a substitute, would, indeed, paralyze every Let them consider in what pronounce on the question before them. industry of the country. Without public credit enterprise he motion of the noble lord Mr. Sergeant SPANKIE said he was one of those who voted flagged, and the spirit of commerce was at an end. With these mrab.e member for the City against rescinding th e d u ty on malt, and h e w i s h e d that on that feelings. ha should betray teeeeenfidence reposed in him by his 3 contended, would be placed occasion the house had had the good fortune to have heard some constituents, if he were rather to listen to their petitions than that in which it stood before of the eloquence which had that night greeted them. He saw consult their interests. 1 not think the noble lord's no necessity for adopting an income tax as the only alterna- Lord dciner RUSSELL concurred with the hon. member for efore the house, and in his rive, if these taxes should be reduced; for the hon. member for Liverpool that it was most essential to establish a spirit of con- ve acted more wisely if they Middlesex had shown that reductions might be made in the ex- fidence. He had never doubted that the prosperity of the lay night, rather than endea- penditure nearly equivalent to the taxes proposed to be repeal- country might be easily blown up for a time by every kind of terfuge. In conclusiou, the ed.—(Hear, hear.) schemes, but it was the duty of parliament to provine for the uld give his cordial support Sir H. PEEL said he felt it necessary to state the grounds stability of the system. The country looked w i th anx i e ty to (Sir John Key), and oppose upon which his vote on this occasion should be given. Although this question. The questions of the Bank Charter, the East of the Exchequer. this question opened up the discussion upon every measure of India Company, and the state of our subjects in the West Ire- sad the country owed a great finance and of economy, yet the considerations by which he dies were still unsettled. The opinion of his, noble friend, and 'ministration, which had done should be guided were main and prominent. He looked to the many of those who supported him, was that the imposition of a ion to raise the character of financial circumstances of the country, and to the importance property tax would be inexpedient at present. He thought the k 3 country ; and he, therefore, of maintaining faith with the public creditor. (Hear, hear.) introduction would be productive of a panic, adopting any line of - conduct Ile found that after the reductions which had been made in the the finances of the country, without any substitution as it would loosen in its Ow, ivernment. N's hatever might course of last year, and the concurrent repeal of taxes, that which might not end in general disappointment. He trustee rowever, he had a higher duty we had now an available surplus of little more than half a the decision to which the house would come that night would a all things, to take care that million. That surplus arose, partly from a small increase in be of a nature to confirm public credit. (The noble lord's uents, or Iris own conscience, the revenue, and partly from a reduction of the estimates for speech was followed by loud cries of "Question, question ;'' r, hear !) He considered the the year. The question he had to consider, therefore, was, and " Divide, divide.") it of ministers, but as a great whether under such circumstances he could hope for an addi- Dr. LUSHINGTON had one motive—he limit honestly confess, y Commons and to the Govern- tional repeal of taxes to the extent of five millions. (Hear, that in expressing his feelings that he was actuated b one aro- tended that, when the mem- hear.) It was quite true, that the repeal of the house and win• tive, and it was this—he had been for '27 years attached to lon such a question against dow duty was not necessarily connected with the repeal of the the principles and politics of those who now held the reins o f dly popular, it was an honour duty on malt, but though not necessarily, yet, under the peen- Government, and he sincerely thought it would be one of the ill a greater honour to that liar circumstances of the case, they were practically connected. greatest misfortunes that could beau the county if the present ouse was co n s tit u ted. Feel- If Government were to repeal half the malt tax they ought to ministry, and particularly if his noble friend (the Chan ce ll or tment, he was very sorry that repeal the house and window taxes. Indeed, many persons of the Exchequer), were to retire from the service of the coup- on Friday night, and equally argued, that if they repealed half the duty on malt they ought try. (Loud cheers.) He said this unaflectedly, because he rt the proposition of the noble to repeal the whole, for reducing it one half would give but a felt, without disparaging the talents or character of others, that ough the house should adhere partial relief, for an expensive establishment must still be it would be difficult to find a substitute for that honour and in- no t see th a t suc h adherence maintained, and the same vexatious inquisitorial interference, tegrity on the part of his noble friend, in which the country so erty tax. He thought that as if the whole duty were to be continued. The hon. member strongly confided. (Ilear,) ice thanked the house for the• rof the country without any for Middlesex wanted the house to trust to reductions hereafter attention with which they had heard him; but he felt that under ✓he admitted that considera- to be made to supply this deficiency. He (Sir R. Peel) had the peculiar circumstances in which he stood lie could not leregretted the result of the voted for the army estimates for the year. He had also voted have said less. (Loud cries of " Question, question," and "'Di- try, as he thought that some for the navy estimates, and for the ordnance estimates, and he v id e .") t forwaad in reference to that conceived it to be impossible, after giving these votes, that he Mr.-W. BROUGHAM felt himself in a situation of painful em- country without affecting the should expect a reduction to the extent contemplated. (Hear, barrassment. (Loud laughter.). Hon. members might keg!, a property tax, such as had hear.) It had also been said that a reduction could be made in or sneer, but they knew little what must be his feelings for the who was a high authority on the collection of the revenue; in reply to which he would say, 300,000 constituents whom he represented, after having wit- re house should be of opiniou reduce the expenses of collection , and then reduce taxation in nessed the extent and variety of the sufferings to whi c h they irable, he denied that it was, a corresponding ratio. But could they satisfy the public cre- were exposed. (Hear.) His constituents believed that there vote of Friday night. ditor by making, in the first instance, a deficit of five millions? sufferings would be alleviated by the removal of the taxes in to remark at the outset that (Hear, hear). They would by such a step inflict an inepara- quesion. Gentlemen, he repeated, might well sneer, haying erto addressed the house, ap- ble injury upon public credit. (Hear, hear). With respect never witnessed distresses such as those to which he alluded. that which, in his view, ap- to rescinding the vote of'a former evening, he felt very little at (cries of Question.) He would have most c o r di a lly su pported consideration—namely, the rescinding a previous vote of the house, if the vote were an the motion of the hon. baronet relative to the house and win- inion was, that, if the 'house unwise one. The only question therefore was, whether that dow tax, if he had not found that as an honest man he ought light, the consequences would vote was consistent with the interests of the country. How not to do it. He would vote with the Chancellor of the Exclae- that house. The noble lord many times had bills been rejected on a third reading which quer, that, at present, a property tax was inexpedient; but, at, called upon the house to adopt had passed the former stages? Hon. members had said that the same time, he was ready to go into an inquiry as to how far disgrace it in the eyes of the they would agitate other questions which had already been it would be advisable to substitute a property tax for those f the speech of the noble lord, disposed of if this vote was rescinded—such a step being in- other taxes. He was of opinion that such a course would be , which had given him consi- consistent with the dignity of the house. He suspected, how- advisable. • noble lord had declared that ever, that. hon. members were - not deterred from re-agitating Mr. TENNYSON made some observations, amidst cries o f r' the vote of Friday, and that questions by a consideration' of the dignity of the house, but "Question." If they thought to put him down, they were-mis unexpectedly brought on.— rather by the fear of not succeeding. The hon. member for taken—(Oh, oh.) He would await a hearing, and if refused, he adjournment—(l}h, when there had been Worcester had declared that unless - the repeal of the whole if would divide the house on the question of a 'ember for Surrey, to take off the malt duty should be carried, he would vote against rescind- oh ! hear, hear.) The bon. member, after a few observations rst day of the session, and the beg the vote of Friday last. If the whole duty . were to be and interruptions said he would support the motion of Sir John colnshire, to reduce the duty repealed, the public creditor would not be satisfied, for it Key, as a property tax might be substituted for any defici ency lth of May, notwithstanding it would be a mere delusion to hold out the hope of increasing . the which arose, and which might be required for other tax es , t o •ntly well known to be coming revenue. There was but one alternative, and that was an in- such an amount as would give a spring to the industry of the e said to take any one by sur- come tax, and to that he was decidedly opposed. He did not coun t ry . nore deliberate 'than the dis- mean to pledge himself beyond the present time, but at the Aft er a f ew wo rd s f rom an Hon. MEMBER under the gall er y,. [alien ? The noble lord de- present period of the Session, and under existing circumstances the house divided— .dvocated the question on dit. he thought a property and income tax would be a great public For the original motion 157 • ace he "was aware of, was that calamity. Ile used the terms property and income tax, for he Against it only one half, others said to felt that they were inseparable—(hear, hear) ; for to adopt a I\lajority against reducing the if was of the latter class, and property tax alone, would be pregnant with danger and injus- house and window tax . .n the votes of Friday. • The face. He would put a case by way of illustration. He would [There were 512 members in the house.] speech, that the income tax, suppose a man retired from business, and having money in the On re-entering the gallery the house was in much confusion, npopular. The lion alderman, funds, say £lO,OOO. He has two children—one a son in a which was heightened by the rush of strangers into the gallery. n, said that so long as there profession, and the other in trade. Each of these children are A conversation took place in which Sir R. Peel, the Char e erty, he did not care which it making large fortunes, and have to pay nothing, while the cellor of the Exchequer, Mr. Baring, and Mr. Hume, took a a would tell him that if there father is to pay largely out of what he may have got invested in part. (We believe Mr. Hume moved some amendment during el as the former income tax the public funds. He could see no justice in that. If either a our absence from the gallery.) not last half a year. But a property aor an income tax were to be adopted, there must be The CHANCELLOR of the 14:xcliEQuE2 pressed upon the house a—not that he thought even most rigorous inquisition in order to render it effective. A war the necessity of coming to some specific resolution with respect even would lie ever dive his Might justify resorting to such a tax, but even then there would to the malt dury. was formerly levied; for he be neither justice nor equality without a most rigorous inquisi- Sir W. Belem , said he should divide the house upon an ixes the most unpopular, ex- lion, for otherwise the man of integrity would pay, while the amendment of his, that the words of the Chancellor of the E'x- t shortly. By the former iu- dishonest man would escape with impunity—(hear) ;if he cons- chequer's motion, which had reference to the malt duty, or, its is a sample of its operation— pared the evils arising _from the house and window tax, and other words, that that duty should stand as it did after the Note n e e his own life, and moreover from the malt tax, with those which must necessarily result of Friday night. If he -tailed in this, he should consider he his skill in bone-setting, and from a property tax, lie could not hesitate to say that it would h a d d one hi s best, and would go no fartherl at present. of render it worth more than be much better for the country to bear with the existing bur- Strangers were ordered to withdr a w, a nd the gallery was tile age it might be of 50 or thens than adopt a measure so vexatiously inquisitorial - as an cleared. ayment as a man with a per- impost upon property. For his own part he could not look The house divided on the Chancellor of the Exchequer's se- e, thanks to the efforts of the upon the house and window tax as a bad one, all things con- solution against the property tax — office, called the income tax a sidered. If it bore hardly upon individuals, then let the fine- For ministers got into office, raised it from quality be redressed, but let not the tax be done away alto • Against them l3l e, then it was no longer a gether. It was a tax, the amount of which could easily be Majority —ls4 a," said the noble lord,• and ascertained, for au account might readily be taken of the num- The house divided on the' repeal of the malt duty by Sir union, "ought to pay taxes in ber of windows of each house. It was, in fact, a species of~~rrn.lngilby— iroperty for which he requires property tax. Indirect taxation, however, ought to have its For ministers 238 noble lord's sentiments were limits. It might be raised to such an amoun t as to give encou - Against them 76 say— ragement to an extent of smuggling which would defeat its Majority er where he stole them." object, by defrauding the revenue. If he found that, as a The motion of the noble lord ,(the Chancellor o f the EX c h e - re bells were ringing in Berk- minister of the Crown, he had to raise £7,500,000, and reduce quer) was then put and agreed to. e repeal of the malatax. Let taxes to that amount, he should not be prepared to say whether Adjourned at four o'clock. hey were not seen. Let them he might not confer more benefit on the country by the reduc- h a ad ci t r a c h u e m n s p ta la n c c e e . ry tion of other imposts than the malt-tax. However popular a property tax 'night be out of doors, he must enter his decided At the Earl of Eldon's rent-day, .held on Wednesday last, at p ro . c h e e e n d i s n u g c s h nmons had sat chg i nq s , three protest against it on the ground of policy and justice. If a tax Rushylord, an unasked and .unexpected retu r n, amountin g to The • of relief. "e nudg s et upon property were laid ou to the necessary amount, it would 10 per cent. on their respective - rentals, was made to his lord contained no relief, and the visit with discouragement every industrious man in the empire, ship's.nunierous tenantry. • less, came to a resolution to an d the consequence would be, that capital would be transferred AwrLL CATAsTitopilE.—The. Redactor of Saturday eoptaine people are filled with joy, the to other countries. He contended that either a gradual or fixed' an article from the Constitutional del . Cauca, stating that hi the -row—what comes to-morrow ? tax Olson property would exclude capital from the money month of July last, while mass was. being celebrated in the the reformed House of Corn- mar ket, and destroy all stimulus to industry. For these rea- church of Sigchos, near Tacunga, in the repterlie of Equador, aided to repeal the malt duty, sons , and on account of the period of the Session in which the South America, on the day of the solemn featival del Corpvs, fire I nd of the minister—aye, the que stion was brought forward, as well as on account of the was communicated to the building by weans elf a wicket,- and heir resolution What, there- o pinion expressed by the noble lord, that he thought a property that in the rush of the audience to the dope it became shut, and arliament ? 'Why, the nomi- t a x inexpedient, ha "(Sir R. Peel) would oppose the motion of i/u whole congregation perished in the flames, except the ciliate, a subservient than the present, the hon. baronet. vh i escaped through a window I - in The nuher eiliyes lost was ve the people; and here was Sir FRANCIS BURDETT observed that his hon. colleague had e.tanated at more than firer Ctcrtrfred ,besides children.