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The gra Bents were generally good. The country between the line and t h e Caledonian was of an impassable charaet,r. There was rather a steep gradient to the west of Netherby. but the that route was pursued in consequence of request of Sir James Graham. Ills property was traversed for about eleven miles, and he supported the line. The independent station at Carlisle, near the cattle market, was likely to be a very important accommo dation to the town—the general terminus was already small e nough. The character of the country between Ilawicle and Carlisle, in his opinion, justified the construction of a line. The portion from Langholm to Carlisle would principally depend on local traffic ; but without that link he did not think any company would make a line down to Langholm. The line from Ha wick to Carlisle would be best worked by the same coral ly that possessed the line to the north of that up to Ediiiburgh, as there the main source of traffic arose by the connexion of the line with Selkirk, Gal-ishie:s, &e. Mr. COCKBURN cross-examined the witnesses for the Ca- ledonian. The Committee adjourned till itie3+lmy. COMMITTEES oo PRIVATE BILLS This S , iANSEA DOCKS. Committee up to its rising was engaged with heating evidence on behalf of this scheme. No decision was given. BIRKENHEAD COMMISSIONERS DOCK ACTS AM ENDM ENT. This Committ ee ma t aga i n yest‘r d ay a t 12 o ' c l oc k ; kir . Ilavter in the chair. Wallasey (abject of th e Bill i s t o cons t ruc t a s ea-wall along "WV Pool. Th e pream bl e h as b een passe d ; b u t several days have been occupied with the clauses of the Bill, and with various amendments, which were not completed when the Committee rose, at four o'clock. until Monday. STANDING ORDERS COMMITTEE. MANCHESTER AND SOUTHAMPTON. This 13111 was thrown out by the Standing Orders Com inittee yPster , 'av, several material mistakes having been prated in the sections. IMPERIAL PA RLIAMENT HOUSE OF 1,(1K DS, Ii , ive Th 0,L4 e onn CIIANCELLf oh to ok his seat on the 7. the Wo&sack at Fl Me g c e;s from the Commons brought up several Bills , 'Which were ordered to lie on the table. POOR RELIEF (IRELAND)—CONINIT v E N E E . , the On the mot i on o f th e Marquis of L A iNsD ,_ order of the day for resuming the con-ideration of the Poor t Reli e f B ill in Committee was read, and their Lordships went into Committee. The Earl of CLANCARTY wished to ask a question in "ntexion w:th what had fallen from a Noble Lord. It had been said th at the accommodation in unions and workhouses 'Was such that out-dour relief would be very little required. He (the Earl of Clancarty) begged to ask whether, under the 4th clause of the Bill, the Commissioners were to supporta, relieving officer who should have nothing to do? The Marquis of CLANRICARDE said the clause was ex ceedingly simple; it gave the Commissioners power to ap point person s to dispense relief in particular districts. Out door r e li e f was only intended to curnst ances. be given under special cir -(1-lear.) For instance, where impotent poor dispense the necessary requi re d relief, it would be necessary to appoint persons to relief. The Earl of CLANCARTY then proposed the omission of the sth c l ause, which provided for the relief of destitute persons 'tinder peculiar circumstances, and the substitution of another, empowering the Commissioners to construct and aid fever hos pitals. He said his object was not to curtail the means of substan tial relief to those w Mass ho sto o d i n nee d of it, but to protect anot h er !_ who would b e much injured by the Bill as it stood, _y nely, th e i ndustrious persons for whom the medical charities oflreland were established ; by the aid of such institutions k a iling persons would be afforded relief until they were in I fit stat e t o l abour for their subsistence.—( Hear, hear.) 4P y roposi ng thi s amendment, he was testing the desire of the ' , u ernrne n t to afford relief to the Irish people through the ~., It ledturn of a Medical Relief Bill. The present Fever Bill isisnoliulidar te rminate in N ovem b er, an d therefore he wis h ed to time s. upon th e Government to promote a measure for a . , PurPose. which might come into operation i'Mi. N at its termination : thus they might lav the foundation of efficient medeal charities in - Ireland. It was because he ~.,, ..,,:tii. theo„,pu.rgohptostehdeitcslaoutuseisswix.ld interfere with these charities that : •pi - , . _ was Thep. Marquis of LANSDOWNE said that he thought it 3!, 1 .neeessary }hat the clause should remain in the Bill for its , • ' , j' etticient operation. '...:' +'`: Lord MONTEAGLE said, that as far as the Bill was in •,,,' .tended to be a practical remedy for the working of the Poor :-4 ' la w , he thought the amendments should be of a permanent 'tk f • character, ',) ),,1 , 1 , 4 „,,,i1 l ~.__Thee Earl of WICKLOW said, that the vote to which they carne last night limited the operation of the whole Bill as, he U nde rstood, to 18 45. But in fact the whole matter was in such i st ate of c on f us i on, that no two men could agree as to the na ture or effect of the vote which they had come to last night.— (Hear, hear and cheers ) Lord MONTEAGLE denied there was any - confusion whatever, unless the co ntusion of ideas of th e N o bl e E ar l him self, „The Marqui s o f LANSDO WNE said that after a most care ful consideration of the vote last night, it was difficult to say what part of the Bill was to be temporary and what part per- Manent. After_a_few w or d s f rom Lord Al ONTEAGLE. ElaastdevtienitiEri GREY said he p er f ect l y compre h en d ed h i s amendment g it was t o ma k e t h e Bill a temporary measure. toutirth,es Nobl e . ' Lord h a d g i ven not i ce o f amendments applying make merely of th e Bill, an d t h ese amendments went to ee parts permanent. The Noble Lord now pressed these amendments to night ; exhibi ing that his object last ni ht was to dash the bill at its earliest course. He was successful, but. the Bill dispite of every manoeuvre was too high in the po pular esteem that it should fail. a:IFITZWILLIAM disapproved of the course of the n . b o l Earl's remarks ; for it was very possible that, on a Bill n i -,,,general import Noble Lords might differ, anddiffer consci- Then ' . uSly. The Bill was evidently affected by last night's amend 1 ;) , in whole. It had been determined that the Bill should ilernporary, although the limited time was not yet inserted. t o their Lordships that he intimated last night his wish -eke the ge n e ra l Bill temporary a n d p ar t s o f i t permanent. ST. M GEP ANS felt it due to hi mse lf to say t h at he di stinctly understood . the Noble Lord to have intimated as Much last night. Lord CAMPBELL said the clause would be a new source of difficulty, and would admit. of so many different interpreta tions that a judge would find it most difficult to arrive at a de cision. He hoped his Noble Friend would consent to pro pose the clause merely as a temporary one. Lord MONTEAGLE declared that the meaning of the clause might be easily interpreted. The Mai quis of CLANRICARDE said the amendment would promote the confusion which had been already intro duced into the Bill. The Earl of CLANCARTY consented to propose the clause as a temporary one. After a few words from the Marquis of WESTMEATII, Lord STANLEY said the Noble Marquis opposite (the Mar quis of Lansdowne) had expressed a wish, which he said was very near his heart, that they should commence business with out any unnecessary conversation. He would not add to the mischief that might already have been done by any de sultory conver.ation which might have taken place, and would confine himself to the sixth clause. He would not put their Lordships to the trouble of dividing Upon the amendment if it did not appear to meet with their concurrence, but he believed that if it were adopted it would be found to have a most beneficial effect. The Noble Lord concluded by moving that the following clause be substituted for clause 6 :—” And be it enacted that in every electoral division of each union there shall be a relief committee ; which relief committee shall consist of the guardians of such union resident or having rateable property within such electoral di vision, together with the (two) highest ratepayers therein, not being guardians of such union ; and every such committee shall meet weekly, on some day other than that of the meeting of the board of guardians; and every such relief committee shall annually elect a chairman ; and every relieving officer Who shall be appointed as hereinbefore directed, shall at such weekly meeting report to such relief committee any ease of sudden or urgent net essity, and shall have power, under an order signed by the chairman, or such person r e shall be, pro teinpore, acting a s c h a i rman , o f such ndre- C ommittee,., n to give provisional r e li e f i n suc h case o f a ,_u i and urgent neces s ity, e i t h er b y an order of orn ssion to the workt ouse or fever hospital of the • union, pro vided there be room therein respectively, and by conveying any destitute poor person thereto, it necessa: y, or by affording such Poor p erson i mmediate and temporary relief in food, lodging, or medical attendance, until the next ordinary meeting of the board of guar di ans, at wh i ch meeting he shall report the case, and the nature and cost of the relief so afliirded, in such form and manner as the Poor- law Commissioners shall prescribe, and after such report shall give no further relief otherwise than by direction of the board of guardians in the case so reported ; and the guardians of the union shall furnish the chairman of such relief committee with the necessary funds for affording rel ief in manner aforesaid, and for the relief of those destitute Poor persons to whom relief shall be granted by the board of guardians, at such times and in such manner as the Poor-law Commissioners shall determine and direct." The Marquis of LAN SDO W NE hoped the Noble Lord would leave the matter in the hands of her Majesty's Government. He thought the object of the Noble Lord might be attained by enabling boards of guardians of large unions to appoint com mittees of their own bodies to exercise the cheek which he re quired. , Lord STANLEY said that the proposition of the Noble Marquis was so nearly what he himself previously had proposed, that he had no difficulty in acquiem log in such an arrangement. After a te a words from the Marquis of LANSDOWNE, Lord STANLEY said the only object which he had in view was to give the board of guardians at. in'ermediate control over the relieving officer, in order that the publlc interests might be protected. Clause 6 was then agreed to, and ordered to stand part of the Bill. On clause even being read, Lord BROUGHAM considered that the latitude granted to paupers was by far too great, they w, uld soon become so well off as obe envie. by the landlords. His great objection to the measure arose trom the fact of his being unable to see, the way in which it was to be carried out. The Government did rot follow the old principle, of resting while they were in the dark ; but they said, " because we are so let us go on."— ( Laughter.) Because we do not see our way, let us do some thing," It was often much better to leave what was not quite well, alone, because meddling with it made it very often much 'Worse. The more he consi lered the question, tie more he was impressed with the necessity of Government not interfering in the manner which was proposed to do by the clause. Lord LANSDOWNE said that the Act did net confer a r ight to relief. Individual cases of hardship might arise, and the Only way to remedy it was by leaving the right to relief discretionary in the poor-law guardians and the Poor•law C oMnaissioni re Clauses 7 and 8 were then agreed to. On Clause 9, , Earl FITZ WILLIAM moved the amendment, of which he " 41 given notice, to the effect, that the surrender of the quarter acre should take place to the landlord, or some properly authorised officer. Earl GREY said that the principal clause as proposed by his Noble Friend purported that if a tenant were in possession of a quarter of an acre of land and a house, he should not be entitled to any relief under the Poor-law Act, and if he were obliged to surrender, he should surrender the entire holding, for it was ~,clietahrolyutetvhide a iett o t u h s a e t , if the tenant chose to surrender the land lord if h e were obliigt e w d ou t l o d a b e e ee a pt g t r h e a e t injustice sutreoder t o o f the la l a n n d , - 1 without the house. If there were to be a surrender, there ought therefore to be a surrender of the whole of the holding. Lor.IBROUGHAM was quite opposed . to the whole principle of th e Bill, and he did not believe that any arrangement could P(''''blY be devised for the granting out-door relief without work ing a gre it evil somewhere, FITZ WILLIAM said, that his Noble and Learned friend appeared to have quite mistaken the character of the ra tttetasoufrree,dfourciintgwiot.uld not have the effect of increasing pauperism, The the question bei ng put, he Earl of St. GERMANS said that the whole operation VI theßill would be oppressive, for if a ram were in the po - .- ; • '4, 1 `. ,; THE SUN, LONDON, SATURDAY MORNING, MAY 8, 1847. session of half, or three quarters of an acre of .land, he might .be obliged _to_come to the board of gum dians for relie!, and the real question, therefore, was what was the amount of the relief, and what was the kind of relief, which the Board of Guardians were to administer. Under the pressure of en insuperable calamity a man holding a small portion of ground might be obliged to apply for parochial relief, and then there was no all ernat ve whatever but that he must give up his land, and he must either go into the work house, and thus become a permanent pauper, for without either house or land he must be in a state of destitution, and he must therefore either go into the workhouie or else throw his exertions into an already overstocked labour-market. For those reasons he had formed the opinion that it would be unwise to limit the r. lief to those who were not in the possession of any portion of land. lie had shown, as he thought, that he had not come to his conclusions with , .ut sufficient grounds, and certain he was that some limitation should be placed on the power vested in the board of guardians, anti with this expres sion of his feeling he would leave the clause in the hands of their Lordships. The Earl of RODEN said that he believed some limit should be put on the lavish expenditure of the board of guar dians, fir he believed that abuses must prevail, unless th:• pro visions of the law was strictly carried out. He w ould state a case which occurred during the last autumn in the district of the board of guardians, of which he was a member. A man in that district had unfortunately fallen into great distress, and he applied to the board for relief, a:though he was at the time in p.)sses:irin of the holding from which his sultsistence had been chiefly derived. The guardians had nevertheless granted the relief, although he had himself asserted, that if it were given, he should put his protest on the hooks against the pro eecdin s. He had gone further, for he had written to the Poor-law Commissioners, but had unfortunately received no reply, although he had had a letter from the Assistant Com missioner. For his own part, he believed that the Act could never be eff !Wall, carried out without out-door relief, and Le should, therefore, oppose the amendment. Lord BROUGHAM said that it was very evident that the relief was granted in the very teeth of the law, and that the Bill would, therefore, be ineffectual without some stringent regulation for preventing the board of guardians from grant ing assistance contrary to the regulations of the Act of Parliament. The 'Marquis of CLANRICARDE thought that the case which had been made out by the Noble Earl opposite, quite showed the necessity for granting out-door relief ; but yet, it was perfectly evident that the small pit ce of land, held by these small tenants, would, at no tim , , either in the days of pros perity or under the pressure of calamity, suffice for their sup port, and therefore the clause was directly applicable to the purpose. 'I he Earl of CL ANCARTY thought that his Noble Friend was roistAken in the view which he had taken. ThP aniendmint being withdrawn, the clause was agreed to, as well as clause 10. On cause 11 being' read, The Earl of WICKLOW said that the result of this clause would be the effect of preventing the landlords improving their lands. lie would move that the words out-door should be omitted. Lord BEAUNIONT . said, that they had now this rate hanging over their heath, the whole of their united interests would be to keep . down the interest. The case was totally different in England and Ireland. The Earl of DEVON said, that he considered that this Bill would have the effect of giving employment to the people of Ireland, by making the landlords of Ireland desirous to employ the people, and by that means prevent the increase of the poor to adopt, and pursue that line of conduct which appeared to him to he most independent. —(Cheers.) Lord BROUGHAM hoped and believed that the Noble Marquis would not have to ascend the s , cps of the Throne alone.—( Great Laughter.) (Loud cries of " Divide, divide.") The Howe then divided— Contents Non -contents Majority The clause was then struck out of the Bill. Clause 12 was agreed to. _ _ _ rate. Lord MONTEAGLE said, he believed that the out-door relief was the most likely to be the most successful as well as the most required. If they enabled the Town Council to make a rate for out-door relief, they would find it would be the most efficacious provision of the whole measure. What would be the effect of this clause? Why they would tax the electoral division on which capital had been expended, and where improvement had taken place; while they expended money on those electoral divi,ions where pauperism existed in proportion to the amount of population, which was, in fact, in proportion to its pauperism, no matter how that pauperism might be created. He knew that he was advocating an unpopular view of the subject, and one that was opposed to the expressed opinion of Mr. O'Connell. On these grounds he saw no reason to adopt the amendment of the Noble Lord. The Earl of HAT lIEII TON said that the proposed amend ment would be a distinct warning to all English capitalists not to make an investment of their mono' in Ireland. The Marquis of CONK NG H AM made a few observations. Lord STANLEY wished to know from the Noble Earl who proposed the amendment whether it was his intention to proceed with it before the amendment which he (Lord Stan» ley) intended to propose, for the omission of the clause alto gether, was disposed of ? The Earl of WICKLOW said if he found the Government disposed to oppose his amendment he would in that case with draw it, and support the amendment. of his Noble Friend (Lord Stanley), but until he heard from them what course they in tended to pursue he could not. withdraw it. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE would not accede to the amendment of the Noble Earl as the effect would be to iniiuce boards of guardians to increase the expenses for out-door relief, so as to throw the whole burden of the rates upon the unions On clause 13 being read, Earl FITZ WILLIAM made a few observations, which were inaudible in the gallery, and the clause was agreed to. Clause 14 was agreed to, as well as clause 15. On clause 17 the Earl of CLANCARTY said that some measures should be taken for the more effectual collection of the arrears of the rates. Lord STANLEY said with reference to the observation of the Noble Earl ( Clancarty) that unless measures were taken to collect each rate as far as it should he done, before another was struck, the consequence would be, that those who 41,L1 pay, would in self-defence be obliged to refuse payment also, and they would do it too. He thought her Majesty's Government should give this matter their best consideration, otherwise the rates would not be collected at all. Clause 18 was also agreed to. On the motion of the Marquis of LANSDOWNE, the fur ther consideration of the clauses was adjourned till Monday. Their Lordships then adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS. Mw,' 7. The SPEAKER. took the Chair shortly before Four o'clock. THIRD READINGS. The following Bills were read a third time and passed : Caledonian Railway (Extension of Motherwell Branch of Clydesdale Junction Railway to Auchinheath Mineral Field, with branches to the Wishaw and Coltness Railway, Can derside, and Hamilton). Caledonian Railway (Branches to Wilsontown, to Fauldhouse, and to 13iggar and Broughton). Caledonian Railway (Branches from the Clydesdale Junction Railway to the Douglas and Lesmahagow Mineral Fields and to Stratbavon). Colchester, Stour Valley, Sudbury, and Halstead Railway (Extension from Lavenham to Bury St. Edmund's). Glasgow, Dumfries, and Carlisl Railway, and Glasgow, Paisley, Kilmarnock, and Ayr Railway (No. 2). Glasgow, Paisley, Kilmarnock, and Ayr Railway, and Glas gow and Belfast Union Railway (No. 1). Manchester Markets. Scottish Equitable Life Assurance Society. Wolverhampton Gas. at large. The Earl of WICKLOW said that after what had fallen from the Noble Marquis, he would withdraw his amendment. Lord STANLEY then moved the rejection of the clause altogether. It appeared to him to be 11,th unjust and impoli tic to introduce such a clause. It applied generally to all eases—to rack-renters, proprietors, and to liberal landlords. The former would have this el iwe as the premium for poverty, which their negl,ct of their duties had occasioned. The effect of the clause would, therefore, be unjust. He would owe in illustration of this how he himself was circumstanced. The greater part of his property was situated in one electoral divisicn, and comprised the half of the land in that division. Now, he was accountable for the half of the rates in that division, while the pauperism on his property was only one fifteenth part of the whole. The area of En ,, land, as com pared with Ireland, was in the proportion of fifty-three to one hundred and forty-six—which meant that in Ireland they were nearly threefold, and he now put it to their Lordships whether -my of them could think that they could carry on their estates with any power over their property, or the well being of heir tenantry ; if every person was entitled to charge the excess of his pauperism on a well managed estate, how were they to get ori. Under the present Bill, when the rates ex ceeded 2s. 64. in the pound, then they were entitled to call on the adjoining pari,h for assistance; 2s. 6d. was not an imam- Aerate taxation, but he firmly believed that, if the present Bill p'ssed, they would never have a rate struck which would he under 2s. 6d. The great evils of the electoral districts at pre sent was, that they were too large.—( Hear, hear. ) By the present Bill they were about to increwo sham twenty-fold.—( Hear, hear. ) There was, at the present a real law of settlement in Ireland. It ran thus—that any person who, for the period of twelvemonths out of the last eighteen, shall have oceuvied any tenement within the union, or not having occupied a tenement, but being resident in it, shall have a ehim to be relieved by the electoral dis trict. Consequently, if he sent a number of per sons into a neighbouring town, they should have no c l a im upon it, but upon the district where they last. lived. 'With regard to the injustice of the clause, he would not say a word upon it, as he had not heard it denied. It simply imposed additional discouragement on the improvement and additional premiums on poverty. It wou ld of Inglisli eapital n t hs Ireland othe taa)lnfsdop property discouragepe c rt ir y i!tim the st circumstance investment ce ame to his 2 knowledge day of a gentleman about to purchase property in Ire land, who asked as a preliminary question whether this clause would be inserted or nut. For his own part, al though he had a pecuniary interest in the country, and much more, a personal interest in the welfare of his tenants, he, thank God, could give up his estates and retire on his other resources, relieving himselt front the hopeleasness of conduct ing his property without any benefit to himself or his tenantry. Earl GREY said that, if they considered this clause well, they would see good reason for retaining it ; and he could assure them that they would inflict great injury by rejecting it. He held in his hand a petition from Killarney, in which it was stated, that up to a recent period there had been three tithes' rates collected, and since that, in 1646, the rate collected in the town was Is. 6d in the pound, and in the rural districts, only sixpence in the pound. He would prove, not alone from this, but from many other instances, that they would inflict great injustice by the rejection of this clause. Until the calamity of the potato-blight, the average amount of rates was sevenpence in the pound. He for one could not see upon what ground this calculation with regard to the state of Ireland was formed. It was as sumed that Ireland was a country above all others in the world where the labourer was to be supported by charity. If he be lieved that he should indeed have a most fearful apprehension of the future. The population of Ireland could not be employed millet such a charitable system. Their labour would be used by those who expected a profitable return for it. In Ireland, which was said to possess such facilities for the maintenance of its population, proper employment would, by the operation of this measure, be gradually introduced. His Noble Friend told them that even under the law as it now stood only one-half of the electoral division in which his estate was situated was taxed for the maintenance of the poor. The legitimate conclusion to which they would be drawn by his Noble Friend's argument would be to make every man responsible for the conduct of the people upon his own estate, and that their employ ment, whether profitab e or not, was a duty upon the proprietor. Such a system would bring about the state of things which existed in the southern portion of this kingdom in 1833. and which it was the obj••ct of the Act to 1834 to remove. Under that system each small district held itself responsible for its own po ,r, and thu. the circulation of labour was put an end to, and a serious evil brou2ht upon the country. This present Act, as it stood, was a fair compromise between conflicting difficulties and existing interests; it prevented the extreme either of charitable support by any district, or by any indivi dual. When the rate rose to a certain height, the burden was to tall upon a more extended district, and thus much distress and misery was removed from many small districts and parishes in that country. He hoped and trusted that their Lai-iNhips would consent to take this clause whole, and alto gether. Lord BROUGHAM said that it required much self-com- mand to repress his desire to grapple with the argumvn confine ove n andw.hi which his impressivelyN ob Friend delivered, had so but should htiiomnsethlrattothtehemore labourers general l detailsre land of were tlie to Bill. be The supportedas assump tion ti),y tebhuasrui tuopposed, upon uut thatof assumption. The Bill was not a charity, which would be bene ficial)Whow was not favoured i e t . assumption T h Bill, of itself, th ese w a " s h f ( o ) to the labourer, but a compulsory one, which cursed those who received it, and oppresse‘i those who gave it. t taught the labourer to rely, not upon his own industry, but upon this compulsory assistance which this Bill was about to give them. In the argument upon this measure, as indeed upon all argument of this kind, they for tot the original prin ciple of the poor law, which had been long forgotten, and which was consigned to a still deeper shade of oblivion by this measure. What was that first principle? not that the land should support the poor, and all other property should be exempt, nor that the landlord and tenant should be rated at a rack-rent to support the paupers which the wealthy manufacturer sent forth as locusts from his soil. such was not the law of Eiiz ibeth. That was an income-tax, and it called upon all property of any description whatever to support the poor man. The measure was one of gross and flagrant itdustice—injustice and partial in its opera tion. There was 800,000,0001. of property in existence, not a halfpenny of which existed at the time of ~ ..lizabeth, and who could doebt that if the original system of poor-rating had been begun in 1817, instead of at the end of the sixteenth century. that a most effectual bar would have been put to the pr :as injustice which they were now about to inflict upon the country. The average in Ireland being 109 to 106, and he would venture to say that a worse case could not possibly take place than that which his N o bl e F r i end sa i d took place in his own union. Then they had to deal with the Irish landlords ; a more improvident, it might be a more thoughtless, set of men—but still men; who, although careless of their interests were still aware of Is. they ere were no t leslessasnxpriouudsentht than nn their management the difference between half-a-crown and a pound, and who, if nfoor T tt h h e e A possibly a r q u opinionsi s a g o o r f f e Che Noble N t f t h l e C a ne A dx RpLrDee Learned o, h p en a r d u d the welfare of their country. friend, d o tt i the et o a fhnu but he highest respect eouresnertessaoptt thatfur all political tllu of j c e o c n t o i O ir n ,y s t w o ot t il li d e every estate ought to be made to support the labouring p poor b c e l a u s s e e t who were born upon it, for if that was not to be the rule the whole hadaside, e e a u n d fullyh e I answered in the speech of his Noble Friend p th r o it u le g i h p t le t s ha o t f the Secretary for the Colouics (Earl Grey). TT Lonabl y there was a great difference .. between destitution arid moderate employ - 1 State for the Home Department if , in conformi t y with the ment. Nor did he think that the pauper iced in the recommendation of the Commissioners in Lunacy in their last electoral districts ought to have any weight, for the fact, the report upon Haydock Lodge, reside on the premises; residents in towns too often held out a premium f o r 1 anperism, Lancaster, on the renewal of the 'Tense . this year, have . re for the induced those who had been engaged in quire(' the proprietor, Mr. Coode, to reside on ~ the magistrates of the county of What anelif become th u is f . reside G in . th G e i a lE sv y lu , m in ? country employments to settle thera in the hope of and also to isrovide a competent medical assistant, likewise to system were . really for this measure had to a great state, that originally a correspondence proprietors in towns, obtaining rack-rents teem framed with a view to provide for the Commi-sioners and the visiting justices on the subject of this extent been , pauperism of the country. But, in fact, it was in the power license, and the result was that it was only granted for a short f b r e cm alte th reerii r, answer to the question, said—l beg to of the electoral districts as now provided to impose upon the period. Upon its renewal the license was granted . in took place between the Yet, he believed, that a great change would he the name of Mr. Ja c k s o n , who resided on the premises, towns. wrought by the payment of money wages instead of goods, and h e un d erstoo d that, at the same time, security was taken Many o f th e poor of the electoral districts now fl oc k e d in t o , to insure the appointment of a resident m edical officer ; and a the towns, in consequence of the wa n t o f empl o y- gentleman named Green, a most competent person, had since ment in the country, and if this mode of things been appointed to the office. W 33 to proceed, the towns would soon be in the ' Mr. W. 0. STANLEY gave notice that, same position as the country, and the towns would should ca ll th e attent i on of t h e H ouse to the report of the comequen ly be ruined. The clause was, therefore, tot a lly Commissioners o n thi s su bj ect. on Tuesday, he unnecessary, for, it it were adopted, the relief committee would IRISH PAUPERS. be quite superseded, and the landlords would he quite unable Sir B. HALL wished to ask a question of the Right Hon. to improve their property in Ireland. It mus t b e a ma t ter o f B arone t the Secretary of State for the Home Department. great cnxiety in that coun t r y, f or it was ,id stst th a t He wished to know whether the Government had received any if the principle of the clause was to be adopted, the lands ad- information with r es p ect to 951 Irish paupers sent to Li ver p ool joining the towns icmild have to bear the rates.—( Loud cr i es by th e M ayor an d i nhabitants of Wexford, 130 of whom im of "Divide, divide.") mediately becam e c h argea bl e to t h e parish of Liverpool? H e Lor • DESA ItT said that the best criterion would he the dif. al so w i s h e d t o k now w h ether any steps had b een ta k en t o prevent ferent rates Which had been levied, and those which h ave t o b e th e s p rea d o f di sease consequent olion this influx of Irish paupers? levied if these principles were to be applied. That dofference was Ile w i s h e d a l so to k now whether it was the i nten ti on o f her between 6'.d. and 6s. 4',d.. but much st ress h a d b een l a id upon t h e M a j esty ' s G overnment to take any steps to relieve t h e great a m o unt of money obtained f or th e ren t s i n I re l an d : b ut i t s h ou ld pressure of the poor's-rates in various parts of Eng'asal and be recollected that the syste m pursued there was one grounded on Wales, by the infl ux o f those upers and also, whether it was a habit of taking the rack -rents, a n d th ese ren t s were co ll ecte d the intenti on o f h er Majesty's Government to bring for ward pa ; weekly. so that while. in fact, the number o f p e rson s who had any measure for the alteration of the law of settlement in to pay the rase had decreased, the rents in many cases had in- Ireland ? creased. This was a strong fact, which he thought it Sir CI GREY had received many communications upon necessary to state, for betw een th e census of 1t:31 an d 1841, the subject , f the great amount of immigration of Irish pau there was a great difference, especially in the s m a ll t owns ; pers to Liverpool. He had been informed that from the 15th and in one instance which had come under his own parti c ul a r I of January the number of Irish paupers who had arrived at Li knowledge, the population, which in 1631 was 5,431, had in verpool amounted to 18 1,000, of that number between 40,400 1841 been reduced to 4,152, and in another from 901 to 609. and 50,000 had emigr a t e d aga i n f rom th a t port, or gone further Novv, these facts showed that there was s•tnething more than into the country. With reference to the adoption of wrea the rental to be attended to in framing a law that was to regu- sures to prevent 'he spread of disease, orders had late the rates.—( Cheers, and cries of " Divide, divide.") been sent to the port of Liverpool, ordering that Earl FITZ WILLIANI said that the clause was not rightly two ships should b e se t apart as lazaretto! , or Ims ap;slicable to all the districts, for in framing a poor-law for Ire- pital ships, so that all vessels coming into the Mersey land, they ought to take all the di s t r i c t s —th e hi g h rate d din- with deck passenger s from Ireland shou'd be compelled to hoist tricts as well as those which were rated lowly. The matter the yellow flag, and go alongside the lazarettos and put was of the utmost import ance , as it was necessar y t o e q ua li se their sick passengers on board. This measure had given great the rating between the town and country di s tricts, and if this satisfaction to the inhabitants of Liverpool. With respect to benefit was t o b e o b ta i ne d , t h ey oug h t to ta k e some ot h er t h e question of 250 paupers having been sent means for it. f rom W exford to Liverpool, it a eared that those The Marquis of WESTMEATH conce i ve d t h a t t h e r i g h t persons were wrecked on the east o f Wexf-rd, and means had been adopttd for accomplishing the ends which the that a subscription had been entered into by the Mayor and Government had in view, and he trust e d th a t th e y wo u ld b e inhabitants of Wexford to charter a vessel for the purpose of careful in the steps whi c h they t oo k, f or if it were necessar y, carrying the poor people to Liverpool ; a letter was also he would take the responsibility of ascending the steps of the sent with them, written by the Mayor of Wexford, recom throne, even though he was alone, fo r an i m p rovement o f t h eir men di ng t h ose persons to th e justice and mercy of the plan. people of England. He was not able either to state that the Go. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE would relieve the Noble vernment proposed to relieve the existing pressure upon the Marquis behind him (the Marquis of Westmeath) of his res- poor-rates of the variona parishes in England ~nd Wales, and ponsibility, by expressing his hope that the several Noble they were not prepared to make any alteration in the law of Lards would take the course which the Government intended settlement in Ireland. IRISH ABSENTEES. Sir W. BARRON wished to know whether any measure was to be introduced, to send back the 6,000,000/. of Irish property spent in this country by Irish proprietors, because he thought that, if the poor were to be sent back, it would be but right that the property .hould also be sent back.—(Laughter.) RAILWAYS BILL. Mr. HODGSON wished to know whether any alteration was proposed to be made in the Railway Bill, which he saw was appointed for the second reading' on Friday next? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that it was the intention of the Government to make some alterations in the Bill. He thought that. the better course would be to allow the Bill to be read a second time sub silentio upon that occasion, and after that to take the discussion upon the pill. Captain HARRIS said that he wished to ask the Noble Lord, the First Lord of the Treasury, whether it was the in tention of her Majesty's Government to introduce any measure to stop the continual exportation of wheat from this country ? The return which he held in his hand, showed that 134,000 quarters of wheat went out of the country in the month ending the fish April last, and there was reason to suppose that a much greater quantity of wheat had been exported in the pre vious months. Lord J. RUSSELL said that it was not the intention of the Government to introduce any such measure. ARMY RETURNS. Mr. F. MAULE said that two days ago the Hon. and Gal lant Member for Liverpool obtained assent to a motion as an unopposed return. It was a return of the surgeons, paymas ters, and quartermasters, with the dates of their services. He (Mr. F. Maule) did not object to that, but the motion con cluded with an order for the grounds why those parties had been excluded from the benefits of the recent advances made in the officers of the army. He wished to make this state ment ere he made a motion on the subject, and he now gave notice, that on Monday next, he would move that that portion of the order be rescinded. Consideration for that department, and the public service, required that this return should not be made. INCREASE OF PENSIONS TO THE SOLDIERS. In answer to a question from Captain LAYARD, Mr. F. MAULE said that it was the intention of the Go vernment to recommend the alteration of the warrant formerly issued, so as to increase the minimum rate of 6d. to Bd. a day. Also, to provide for an extra pay for good service, after 21 years. BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE. Mr. HORSMAN wished to know which measure the Go vernment intended to proceed with on Monday next. He thought the Health of Towns Bill was in the list of orders for that. day. Lord JOHN RUSSELL replied, that it was his intention to proceed with the Prisons and Transportation Bill on Monday. hut preliminary to that, the Chancellor of the Exchequer would bring some business under the consideration of the House. THE CURRENCY. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, in bringing this subject before the Mouse, said that he knew that great anxiety prevailed on this subject, and he trusted that he would be justified by its importance if he claimed the attention of the House to the few observations he had to make upon it. lle wished as briefly as possible to state what were the inten tions Of the i;overnment, and, in thiing so, he need hardly say that the qua slion had occupied the anxious consideration and attention i.f the Government. His Noble Fiend and himself had I eceived from day to day numerous deputations of various parties, and they were in constant communication with those persons who were the best able to give them information upon the matter.—( Hear. ) He did not wish to raise any discussion this evening upon the subject of the currency, but he might tt once inform the House that the Government were not prepared to adopt any alteration in the Act of 1844.—(Ch eers. ) H av i ng ma d e th a t d ec l ara ti on he might also add, that the Governmeut did not desire to in terfere with that accommodation which it was so desirable to give in a great commercial country like the present. Neither did he conceive that any necessity for more stringent measures exi=ted, and however depressed the money market might be, still he was glad to say that there was an appearance of improve scent in the Bank of England. The last return from the Bank exhibited a receipt in gold and silver bullion of 4')0,00(t/. He should, on the usual day, the 18th of May, give the usual notice for the exchange of Exchequer bills. He thought it indispensable to raise the rate of interest on new bills from the day of exchange at 3d. per diem.— (Hear, hear.) He w as happy to s t ate t h at the bank had found itself in a condition to make advances on Exchequer hills. He was happy to state that the de man d was far less than was expected, it not having exceeded 170,000 1. He was also ha y t o state that the seve rity of p ressure had passed over. He pr rOsed on Monday next to move th a t t h e House do go into Committee for the purpose of emp ower i ng the Government b Act of Parliament, of course, to pay i n t erest on advances by way of discount. On former occasion s i t h ad been usual to ask for payment of the whole that m i g h t b e due, but he did not wish to do that. He , y proposed, th ere f ore, to pay interest, by w ay of discount on all sums of mo ne y pa id u w p a s t o to t h s a e y p i e f r i a o n d y w bho e d n y Any person w h o Pa i d any portion of his instalment previous to h , the 1•:th or 19,h of J une, that might subsequently b ecome d ue , previ ous to the 18th c r 19th of June next. would be entitl e d to receive discount calculated from that date ment, he wo u ld rece i ve one month's interest, or if he paid his J •Iy instalm e nt, h e would lie entitl e d t o two month's interest; e or if he paid his A ugust instalment tph,eidinusptaelmarelyntiwnoul‘licalybehciosm JeudnueeinTsthaal-t he would be en titled to three months i n t erest, and so in like manner paying instalments in June. He exp ec t e d that a considerable sum o f money would be paid up in thi s way, sufficient indeed to enable the Exche quer to disch arge i ts liabilities. He proposed now with the permission of the H ouse, to move that the House. s h ou ld , on Monday, go into Committee for the purpose of considering and authorising the payment of interest in advances by way of dis count. The motion was agreed ta. PUNISHMENT ON VAGRANT (IRELAND) BILL. On the question bein 13111, g put for go i n g into Committee on this Mr. P. SCROPE said he wished to ask a question of the Noble Lord at the head of the Goverment. It was of the utmost importance that this question should be decided, and that the House and the eottntry should know whether the poor law for Ireland was to be of a permanent, or only of a tempo rary character. If it were to be permanent for three years only, much uncertainty would be created; and he would draw the attention of the House to the fact, to the belief, that if it were to be only of a temporary character, it would be worth less and hopeless. The poor would not confide in it, and the rich would not act upon it, or in any way promote the general welfare of the country ; for the absentee landlords, who are now spending their incomes in France or Italy, would not return to do their duty to their country, and look .t . ter their p ro p er t y .—( H ear , h ear .) O n th e con t rar y, if it were to be of a permanent character, it would be in every way useful, and he trusted, therefore, that the Bill would be of a permanent nature. The people of this country had come to the decision that the time had arrived when some measures should be taken for preventing the people of this country from falling into the deplorable state of misery which had fallen upon the people of Ireland. They had corns to that opinion from motives which were quite justifiable. He knew that they had to maintain their own poor, and that unless some provision of a permanent nature was made for the relief of the poor of Ireland, the industrious people of England would come into the condition of the Potato-fed and miserably paid people of that country. He therefore wished to ask the Noble Lord whether he was prepared to-night to stat e w h at the permanent character of the Bill would be? Lord JOHN RUSSELL said the Hon. Gentleman had asked him for an explanation as to whether the Government should ge on with the present Bill pending the proceedings in another place. In the first place, he might answer, h e was more than ever convinced that such a Bill for the relief of the poor of Ireland was necessary. Still, he he did not think that a reason for postponing the present Bill. He thought, how hhei n g k e n i e t r w a o l uclhdarbaec t r e r r 4 s e v r i t t h o eut a similar ever, that if the general Bill was limited in its operation ' in p&nt of time, he could not ask the House to pass the present give way to Hin toft limitation. measure, which was a feoling of jealousy reaard to the proeeediugs elsewhere. or that they should say, that unless the Poor Relief Bill was passed in another place, they would not agree to the Vagrancy 13111 here. He hop ed the y w,)uld go into Committee now, and at some future stage of the Bill they could consider whether they should introduce clauses to limit its duration, or should the other Bill not pass, to refuse the present Bill altogether. With regard to such a poor-law for Ireland as they had agreed to, he was it more than e ver convinced of its ne cessity, and that the Bill as had passed through that House was absolutely required. He had only that day received a state ment respectirg a poor 403. freeholder, who, for many years, had been the serf or slave of a landed proprietor, who having accepted a small sum for his freehold, was turned out and allowed to starve, and his wife and child had vied for want of food refused by those on whose lands he had lived for many 1•-ars.—( Loud cri es of "Name, nam e , ) He certainly shouldnot, nOt, 1 ut he thought no one could be blind to the circumstances which were passing in Ireland, and the necepity there was for an efficient measure for relief. Though this had not been the case, h e certainly thought that, in the transition state from the public, works to the permanent measure for relief, that, the proprietors in the neighbourh ood of the places where the poor people lived, should find the means for that purpose. He would only further remark, that two gentlemen who had hitherto opposed out-door relief (Mr. Richards, the Commissioner, and Mr. Gulson, the ass istant Commissioner) h a d expresse d t h e i r opinion that in the present state of Ireland s u c h re li e f was necessary. Mr. S. CRAWFOftD hoped that the third reading of this - • Bill would not take place until the House was put in pos session of the fate of the Bill in another place. Mr. F. FRENCH thought the question put by the Honourable Member for Stroud was fairly answered by the Noble Lord at the head of the Government. He did not ve any principle which could justify the Hon. Member for Montrose in putting the que-tion whether these advances to the relief of Ireland should be postponed, until the question at present under consideration in another place—he meant the Irish poor-law—was settled. The Hon. Member should remember that these advances were for the purpose of Meeting the distress which prevailed, and he could riot accede that Ireland should be dealt with in a different manner from England or Scotland. Mr SHAW said that it was rery inconvenient in discussing what was passing in the other house, but he did not think that they ought to plss the Bill referred to unless their was a right to relief. He considered that it was very unjust in the Noble Lord to refer to the case he did without giving the name of the party, as by his so doing he made the case apply to a whole class, which was neither just nor reasonable. He therefore wished that the House would forbear forming en epinion on that statement, for he did believe that the Irish landlords were doing their best, under very difficult circums'anees, to relieve the distress. Sir H. W. BARRON complained that many humane and philan•hropic landlords in Ireland had been attacked in that House for ne,zlwing their duzirs, when, in tru h, they were struggling by all the means in their power under the most adverse circums'ances that men could be placed in to relieve the poverty and distress that was about them. They should recollect that Ireland had no native manutac!ures ; that her landlords were absentees, and spent their money here and abroad, and that the soil was ins overished in conse quence ; and, therefore, Honourable Members who had never been in Ireland, and who knew little or nothing about that country went too far whcn they legislated for Ireland in this way, and without an adequate knowledge of her requirements. With all respect for his Hon. Friend the Member for Stroud, he must say that this was a most im proper time for him to have brought forward his motion. He ( Sir W. Barron) had always been in favour of a poor-law for Leland ; but, at the same time, lie objected to its being made a permanent measure, and he had the same objection to this measure being made a permanent measure, because he had great doubts as to how it would work. Mr. ROSS said he bad looked urn the Bill as a hazardous experiment, b;it he knew they must risk something, and there fore he should support it. He hoped, however, that no com binations would be entered into to prevent the carrying out of measure.—( Hear, hear.) He hoped, at the same time, that the poor-law wonld not be so mutilated in the other House of Parliament, as to render it defective; if it were so muti lated, they would have to perform again all the work they had done. Mr. B. ESCOTT said vagrancy in Ireland was punishable by transportation, and in order to discover how the present law worked, he had moved for returns on the subject, and complained that the returns had not been furnished. He stigmatised the conduct of those who, acting in opposition to the Noble Lord, had succeeded in mutilating the Poor-law Bill ; but he con sidered that the Noble Lord might now appeal to the country with far greater confidence and sympathy than at any past period of his administration. Mr. TRELAWN Y said Ireland had long recognised a per manent poor-law, and that was decidedly the feeling of the House. He trusted the Government would persevere in endeavouring to pass the Poor-law Bill as left by that House. The House then went into Committee on the Bill. Clause Ist was agreed to. On clause 2 being proposed, Mr. P. SCROPE proposed an amendment, to the effect that the capability,of a man who deserted his family to support them, should be inquired into before his conviction. Mr. SHAW said the law referred to existed, and that vagrants were liable to seven years' transportation. It was an objectionable law, but it did not work the mischief the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Escott) seemed to conceive. Mr. S. CRAWFORD said the law was not often put in force, but prostitutes and disorderly persons were occasionally brought up before grand Juries at quarter sessions, in accord ance with it, and punished under it. It was a law which ought at once to be repealed. Mr. SHAW said no persons were punished under the Act unleas there was presumptive evidence of crime against them. Mr. B. ESCOTT said the Hon. Gentleman's statement confirmed his worst suspicions with respect to the existing law of vagrancy, and that it placed a man in great danger of losing his liberty for years if an act of simple vagrancy was proved against him. In England men were not punished on presump tive evidence of crime. The law had been carried out against several persons, as the returns he had moved for would show ; and if he was not able to procure them, he should endeavour to get them through some other source. Mr. HENLEY considered it necessary that it should be clearly ascertained whether a man had wilfully deserted his family, or whether he had been compelled to leave them from distress. Mr. P. SCROPE explained. It was unfortunately a com mon practice in Ireland for men to slesert their families, but they frequently did so from distress ; for instance. to work else where ; he simply asked them to introduce a proviso to pre vent a man from being imprisoned three months, who had not, in the strict sense of the word, deserted his family. After a desultory conversation, the amendment was with drawn and the clause agreed to. On clause 3 being read, Mr. 111. O'FERt{ ALL suggested to the Government the proprietary of limiting or defining the class of persons who were to carry the provisions of this clause into effect. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said there were two classes of men- dicants in Ireland; one living upon the hospitality of their friends, wandering nbout from place to place, and the other de manding relief where their intimidating acts could extort it. Now this clause was to suppress that state of things. The country was more infested with mendicants and sturdy beggars than this country before the law was passed for punishing wilful mendicarcy, and relieving the destitute poor. True it would be difficult to effect the reform in- tended to be brought about by this clause but the wandering mendicant habits of a large body of the Irish peasantry must be changed before they could work any good in that country, and he had, therefore, no hesitation in „ . presqng for the continuance of this clause in its present form. Mr. M. OTERRALL said the Noble Lord had misunder stood him. lie did not object to ;he powers proposed to be taken by the clause. All that he wanted was, that the exe- cution of the powers should be trusted to cauticus and discreet hands. Mr. GREGORY agreed with the Noble Lord thlt the mendicant habits of th,. people sta.: a curse to Ireland, and he should certainly vote for the clause. After a few Words from Mr. BELLEW, who supported the Sir WALTER JAMES said they were about to attempt a dangerous experiment, for the confirmed habits of a people were not so easily changed as some Hon. Gentlemen might suppose. Besides, it must be remembered that they were dealing with a Roman Catholic people, who entertained a feeling that they had a right to big, and they ought therefore, to be the more cautious in legi,lating upon this subject. He apprehended that all that would he required, was now and then to make an example of incorrigible mendicants, and he thought, instead of the power to commit for the offence of begging being vested in the hands of one magistrate, it ought to be extended to two justices of the peace in petty sessions assembled. After a few words from Sir G. GREY, Mr. P. SCROPE said there could be no doubt that men dicancy was practised to a very great extent in Ireland, by persons who were not really destitute. Many Irish beggars had been known to give their daughters marriage portions, while he found it related by Mr. Carlton in his tales of the Irish peasantry that is Ireland it not unfrequently happened that a beggar called upon a farmer to beg a little meal, and finding that he had none, offering to sell a peck, which he had in his possession, below the market price. An effort he thought, however difficult, ought to be made to put an end to such a state of things as that.—(hear, hear.) Mr. D. CALLIGAN said no one was more anxious to put a atop to professional mendicancy in Ireland than he was ; but it was a difficult task to alter the habits of a people. The Irish people were remarkable for their hospitality, and he knew many small farmers who took a delight in relieving all who applied to them in the character of destitute poor. If they could pass a Bill which should restrain the donor from Firing he thought they would be striking a blow at the root of the evil ; but in the existing state of feeling and affairs in Ireland, he could not consent to the passing of a Bill of pains and penalties pressing wholly upon the poor.—( Hear, hear.) After a few words from Lord Sandon, Mr. More O'Ferrall, Sir D. Norreys. Mr. Young, and Lord Arundel, Mr. P. SCII.OPE moved a verbal amendment. The gallery was ordered to be cleared, but the amendment was withdrawn without a division. The clause was then agreed to. The 4th clause, as amended, was agreed to ; so were 5,6, 7,8, and tine other clauses. The House resumed, and the report was ordered to be brought up on Nionday next. POOR RELIEF SUPERVISION (IRELAND) BILL No. 11. I pa rt to the Bill, bat at the same tim e h e cou ld not h e l p ex pressing his conviction that it would ultimately he found to fall far short of the necessity of the occasion which had led to its introduction.—( Hear.) During the last few years great alte rations had been made with respect to the removal of the poor both in England and Scotland. Till 1844 the burden of re moving the poor was placed upon the counties, and, conse quently, when it was a county charge and not a parochial one, there was much less hesitation in carrying it into exe • cution. He believed the task was so extremely one rous before the Irish pauper could be removed; there were so many obstructions and so many heavy charges on the parishes that it was resorted to with reluctance ; and, in addition, the pauper must be accompanied by an o ffi cer, but he hoped that the time would come when the destitut e Irish poor would be relieved in their own country ; but until that time did arrive, it would be better to consider whether the destitute Irish poor could not be removed in a more sum mary and cheaper manner than at present. Yet though this Bill would remove some of the difficulties, it would not remove some of the objections which now existed to the removal of the Irish. With respect to Liverpool, the Right Hon. Baronet (Sir G. Grey) had stated that he had adopted what he ( Sir James Graham) considered proper measures of quarantine with respect to the proprietors of steamers in the habit of bringing over large numbers of destitute paupers; but if he was rightly informed, the state of things in Liverpool was ex• tremely anomalous. For instance, there was a stipendiary ma gistrate in Liverpool, who, because he entertained some scru ples with respect to the state of things in Ireland, would not grant warrants for the removal of destitute persons to Ireland, unless a mandamus was moved for in the Court of Queen's Bench; therefore the law relating to the removal of the poor wa' suspended by a stipendiary magistrate. But this was not all ; the Liverpool ratepayers wished to get the destitute Irish distributed over the whole country, and money had actu ally been advanced to pass them, by the aid of cheap trains, to the metropolis. What would this lead to? It would infallibly lead to disease, and the English labourer wr,i'd be brought, of necessity, to the condition of the Irish labourer.— (Cheers.) Disease, poverty, and misery would, therefore, be spread throughout the metropolis---( Hear, hear)—and the Go vernment would ultimately be compelled to resort to mea sures to send the destitute poor to their own country. This measure, so far from being sufficient for the emergency, would be found vastly insufficient, and must come again before Par liament, when measures equivalent to the necessity which required them, would be found indispensahle.—( Hear, hear.) ,Ir. P. SCROPE thought a change absolutely necessary, and that the present shuttlecock system ought to be done away with. They ought, at all events, not to rest till the soil of Ireland was made to sustain the Irish poor. Mr. FRENCH objected to the Hon. Member far Stroud always referring to the conduct of the people of Ireland in those matters relating to England. Mr. CARDWELL called the attention of the Hon. Mem ber for Roscommon to the condition of Liverpool during the last few months. Liverpool, which with a population of 300,000, had had added to it 100,000 destitute Irish persons, who had been treated by the inhabitants of that town in the most exemplary manner. Now the object of the present Bill was to afford a relief to this state of things. Sir W. BARRON agreed with the Hon. Member for Mayo in his objection to the portion of the Bill relating to the removal of the Irish poor from England. The Bill empowered magistrates in the most summary manner to take up any per son on the suspicion of pauperism, and send them out of the country. Now if Ireland was a portion of the United King dom, he could not see how such an arbitrary law should exist. He could not see how they should apply a different law to Ire land, to that they would impose on Scotland or Yorkshire. A more dangerous, unwise, and impracticable measure was never devised by any man having common sense. It wasa law more adapted for Russia, than a country professing to be free. Lord SANDON was surprised at the indignation expressed by the Hon. Member. Were it really intended to deprive the people, coming from Ireland to this country, then there might be some reason for it. But this was not the object of the Bill. Its object was to do away with a technical objection which pre vented the proper working of the measure, the intention of which was to p rov id e f or the removal of th ose who could not give any explanation that they were not paupers, and likely to become dependent on English relief. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER hoped the statement of the Noble Lord would satisfy those who had ex pressed themselves against the Bill. He must say he had been much surprised at the speech of the Hon. Member for Roscommon, which proceeded on an entire misunderstanding of the Bill. It was a measure applicable to all parts of the empire alike—whether Scotland or the Isle of Man, as well as Ireland. It was provided that wherever a person became chargeable to a parish in England, if he was a native of any of those places, he could be removed there. A simi lar provision existed in the Scotch poor-law, as ap • plied to the natives of England, the Isle of Alan, or Ireland.—(Hear.) At present a summons was necessary in order to effect a removal; but the circum stances of Liverpool, from the immense number of paupers there, were such, that the present alteration was proposed, which was, that the overseer, or relieving officer, who was applied to for relief should have the power to take the party so applying before a magistrate, who had the power, on examina tion, to order a removal. The whole object of the Bill was to dispense with the: service of the summons, and he must say, that he could not see in the Bill any peculiar hardship to Ireland. Sir H. W. BARRON did not object to the poor being removed from England to Ireland, but he really did object to the monstrous provisions of thif Bill. Mr. P. SCROPE explained. Mr. WAKLEY much regretted having heard the speech of the Hon. Baronet who had just sat down, calculated, as it was, to produce ill feeling in Ireland. After the millions this coun try had voted to Ireland for her relief, he was surprised to hear the language used by the Hon. Baronet, particularly when► he remembered that had the landed interest of Ireland done their duty towards the poor of their own country, much of the pre sent misery would have been averted. Notwithstanding that, the Hon. Baronet considered the present proposed relaxation of the law was unjust, he very much feared the law would still remain inoperative, owing to the great expense which the removal of the poor involved. Why, in his own parish, or rather a parish in this metropolis with which he was recently connected, of all the removals that took place every eleven out of twelve were Irish paupers. Why, then, (lid th . e Honourable Baronet sue such language as he had done to that House. Had the Hon. Baronet read the return which had re cently been made upon the present state of the poor in Ireland? If he had he must have seen that in Cork hundreds, nay, thousands were dying of fever without a hand to help them to a cup of water to quench their burning thirst. What were the Irish gentry about ?—( Hear, hear.) It was time this vountry spoke out. Already the ill effects of this neglect oa the part of the Irish gentry had made their appearance, within a few miles of this metropolis. He grieved to say it, but it was too true. that the typhus fever had broken out in many of the metropolitan workhouses, and it was high time the ♦oice of this country was heard. He ur der4tood that in an other place a ,uceessful attempt bad been made to restrict the operation of a poor-law for Ireland, but he warned the Iri,h landed interest that the time was coming when this country would be compelled, in self-defence, to force such a law upon their. Dlr. FORBES said he was unfortunate enough to have taken an unpopular view of the Irish question, but still he did not object to the passing of this Bill, though he must protest against the abuse which some Hon. Gentlemen in that House were continually heaping upon Irish landlords. As a body the landed interest of Ireland had strove hard to do their duty, and it was too bad that they should be subjected to abuse because they could not mitigate all the evils that surrounded them without having recourse to s , one adventitious aid. Mr. GRAINGER sad in his opinion Irish Members had a perfect right to objt•ct to the passing of this Bill. Its rowers might be necessary, but there was no protection against their being abused. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said it appeared to him, from what had fallen from the Hon. Gentleman who had just sat down, that Ii ish 'Members did not object to the principle of the Bill, but only to the mariner in which it was proposed to be carried out. He had therefore thought that this discussion would have produced more beneficial and effective results, had it been deferred till they got into Committee on the Bill. Sir ROBERT FERGUSON did not deny that the distress mentioned by the Hon. Member for Finsbury was terribly severe, but still it did not follow that the guardians and relievers of the poor had not done their duty. If the lion. Member would move for a return of what they had done, he would find that they had been most energetic in their efforts to mitigate the distress and suffering, while several of the resident gentry had fallen victims to their praiseworthy exertions to aid in assuaging the prevailing ',misery of the people. No doubt there were instances where the guardians had neglected their duties, but in far the greater number of instances (arid the absence of many Hon. Members from that House proved the assertion) they had nobly remained to adminster to the sick in their neighbourhood. The Bill was then read a second time, and ordered to be committed. On the question that the House resolve itself into Committee of Supply, POST-OFFICE ARRANGEMENTS IN THE HEBRIDES. On the order of the day for going into Committee on this Bill, Sir ROBERT FERGUSON remarked that the commis sion under this Bill was made permanent; whereas by the English measure it lasted for only five years. The Hon- Ba ronet cursorily remarked several other minor differences be between the English and Irish Bills. He thought, if the two countries were to be similarly governed, the two measures had better be the same; and he wished to know from the Noble Lord what was the reason for introducing these differences. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said with regard to one of the dif ferences alluded to by the lion. Baronet, namely, that this Bill was limited in its time of operation ; he had to state that since the Bill had been introduced, the Government had re volved to alter this provision to five years, the time in the It was impossible to expect that every provi sion of the Bills should be the same, considering the different character of the two nations ; but the general principle exist ing in the English measure had beeu adopted for ‘he measure LA House it E , than a n wentother into Hon. Gentlemen, Committee w Bill.a sagreed to. for Ireland. Saving so me sma ll diff erence the Bits might be said to be nearly simila r . The l Clause 1, after a few remarks fro m M r . P. S CRUFF, M r. oucn As were clauses 2 and 3. Clause 4 was agreed to as amended. On clause 5, Sir R. FERGUSON remarked, the difference between this provision and the corresponding provision in the English measure, which required the secretaries, &c., to act under a seal. Mr. H. BAILLIE rose to call the attention of the House to the defective postal arrangements in the Hebrides. The Hon. Member said that hitherto the only means of postal communi cation with Long Island, one of the Hebrides, was by a packet maintained at the joint expense of Lord Macdonald and Col. Gordon, the two principal proprietors. A few years ago Col. Gordon withdrew his contribution to the support of the packet, and in consequence of the many and repeated calls upon him, caused by the distress at present existing, Lord Macdonald had threatened to withdraw his proportion also. The people would thus he deprived of all post-office communication. He had thought it necessary to call the attention of the Government to the subject, in the hope that they would adopt some means of affording this very necessary accommodation. Mr. PARKER said that although no official report had been made to the Treasury, he had no doubt the attention of the Postmaster would be given to the subject. SUPPLY. The House then went into Committee. A vote of 453,756/. was taken for defraying the charges of the Commissariat department. A vote of 40,646/. was taken for the half-pay and pension allowances. Mr. F. FRENCH agreed with the Hon. Baronet. Ac cording to this Bill, the officers, like all officers in Ireland, were to be irresponsible. He complained that in the Board of Works there was no one to answer for complaints. The clause was then agreed to, as was clause 6. Clauses 7 and 8 were postponed. Clause 9, as amended, was agreed to ; so was clause 10. Clauses, from 11 to 14, were then agreed to. On clause 15 being proposed, Sir ROBERT FERGUSON proposed an amendment, which he, however, immediately withdrew ; and the remain ing clauses having been agreed to, the House resumed. Re port on Monday. POOR REMOVAL BIL LAND. L (ENGLAND AND SCOT- Sir G. GREY moved the second reading of this Bill. Sir 1). NORREYS complained that the Bill would injuri ously affect those Irish persons who had become residents in this country. Sir G. GREY said that the bill did not materially differ from the Poor Removal Bill which had been passed ; the only material difference was, that the process by which a person was removed to his legal settlement, was more simple, more expeditious, and less expensive than at present. Thus, if a Jerson became chargeable, he would be immediately summoned before a magistrate, before whom he would be examined as to his settlement, to which he would, in the ordinary course, he removed ' • but he would not be removed because be WAS an I r i s hman. The House was no doubt aware that many com plaints had recently come fi om Liverpool, with respect to the immigration of destitute Irish persons into that town—in fact, to such an extent had this taken place, that the workhouse accommodation was quite inadequa`e for their reception. If a summons was applied for against any of them, it was wholly inoperative, as the person to whom it was directed, could not frequently be found. This would be remedied by the Bill before the House ; as its object was to render it necessary that parties coming over from Ireland, or from a place from another part of this country, should at once be examined, and an order made at once, if the case was a tit one for removal ; but no one at present, not liable to be removed, would be removed under this Bill. sir J. GRAIIAM said he should be glad to givebib sup. On the proposition that a vote of 50,000/. be taken for the works on the Caledonian Canal, Mr. HUME and Mr. WILLIAMS objected on the grounds that the canal was worthless as a national work. After a degiltery conversation, the vote was agreed to. The vote if 20,476/. f or t h e pav i ng an d li g h t i ng, & c ., p u bl i c buildings in Ireland was agreed to. The vote of 23,000/. for the salaries and expenses attending the Houses of Parliament was agreed to. The following votes were agreed to:- 26 9001., for salaries and expenses in the department of the Treasury. 16,4001., for salaries and expenses in the Home Depart ment. 71,0001., for salaries, &c. in the Secretary' office for Fo reign Affairs. 18,000/., for salaries, &c. in the Secretary's office for the Colonies. 37,700/., for salaries in the offices of 2,000/., for salaries in the office of the PrivyehLordl'riCvoyuS Council. 26,72 salaries 2/., for in the offices of the Paymaster Ge neral. The next vote proposed was 15,823/. for the salary and expenses of the office of the Comptroller-General of the Ex chequer. Colonel SIBTHORP opposed the vote on the ground that the office was an useless one, and ought to be " knocked off." —lt was, however, agreed to. The next vote was 2,620/. to pay the salaries of the officers and the expenses of the State Paper-office—vihich was also agreed to. 3,440/. was next proposed to defray the expenses of the EcelesisAtical Commissioners to the 31st of March last. Mr. WILLIAMS opposed the Bill on the ground that the expenses of the commission ought to be paid out of the ample revenues revenues of the Church. Lord JOHN RUSSELL explained that it was arranged at the time the commission was appointed, that its expenses should be paid by the State. Mr. HUME urged the Noble Lord to postpone the vote until the mode in which the money was expended was laid in detail betore the House. The Hon. Gentleman the Member for Mahlon had a motion on the paper for that purpose—so that the Ho use wou l d soon be in a position to judge o f t h e expen diture. Mr. GOULBURN defended the Church, that the Stat e oug ht t o p a y f or th e expense of and c onsidered the Commis •ion, as they had to perform a national duty with reap •ct t• education. Mr. HUME considered that his Presbyterian constit, cents ought not to be called upon to pay for a Commission st •hick had no sympathy for their religious predilections. Lord JOHN RUSSELL could not consent to post pone the Bill. After a desultory conversation, The vote was agreed to. A vote of 182 2,.V. fair the administration of the Poov-Itw, England and Scotland, having been proposed, Colonel SIBTHORPE thought this Poor-law Commission was only fraught with evil, and he could not support the vote. Mr. BANKES did not wish to anticipate the discussion on the new Poor-law Commission Bill, and therefore he would move that the present vote be postponed till after that debate, and that in the meantime Mr. Green report progress. Sir G. GREY assured the Hon. Gentleman that that Bill would not be read a second time for a considerable period, an d he did not see what bearing these debates might have upon this vote. Captain PECHELL said that he perfectly agreed with what had fallen from the Member for Downshire it was per reedy preposterous to vote away this money until they were aware how this board was to be reconstituted. Mr. PHILIP HOWARD said that it appeared from the general feelings of this House, that it wou l d be b etter to post pone the vote to a future occasion. Mr HUNIE concurred in the propriety of the sugge stion. Sir G. GREY said that the present vote was tikes with a view to pay the expenses of the new establishment. The vote was then agreed to. ...s. The [louse then resumed, the Chairman reported progress, and obtained leave to sit again, Leave was gran.rd to sit again on Monday. PASSENG ERS ACT AM E NDM ENT BILL. On the motion for leave to go into Committee, Lord GEORGE BENTINCK called attention to a Bill of the same nature passed in the United States. He had to propose several amendments in this Act, which he conceived were calculated to improve it. The nature of these were to improve the sea-worthiness of emigrant ships, ansl its general of all transport ships. The Bill was passed through Committee. The Savings' Bank Annuity Bill was read &second time. and ordered to be committed. The report of the Land Drainage Bill was brought up. The other orders of the day were then thaposed of, and the Houle adjourned at Half-past Twelve o'clock. IRISH POOR-LAW BILL. HOUSE OF LORDS.-MAT 6. FIRST DIVISION IN COMMITTER CONTENTS. Warwick Nelson Stradbroke Desart Digby Erne Malmesbury Lucan Fitzwilliam Stanhope Delawarr Shrewsbury Clare Lovelace Radnor Wilton 'MEE& Buckingham Cleveland Montrose Richmond MARQUISES, Abereom Headfort Westmeath EARLS. Rosse Ennisktilon Roden Eglintoun Dartmouth Limerick Sheffield Somers Clancarty Hardwicke Leven and Melville Orford Eldon Iladdington DLTE.S. Norfolk St. Albans MARQUISES. Lansdon ne Clanricarde Westminster Conyngh am EARLS. Galloway Clanwllliam St. Germans Grey Shaftesbury Mint° Clarendon Auckland VISCOIINTS. Combermere Strangford Hereford ARCHBISHOP. Dublin BISHOP. Devon Fortescue Ilchester Exeter . ; NON-CONTENTS. EARLS. Yarborough Cowper Granville Fingall Essex Waidegrave Ellesmere Vernlam Morley Ripon Harewood Craven Uxbridge VISCOUNT. BARONS. Monteagle, of Bra don Stanley Saltouu Gage Isiorthwick Blayne,' Downes: Templemore De Ros Redesdale Abinger Middleton (V. Aral rick) Colchester, Rayleigh Castlemaina Boston Tenterden Bolton Ashburton Faversham Clifton BISHOPS. Durham Ilereford aisnor. St. David's BARON,. Campbell' Cotttnham Erskine Strafford Colborne Lilford Dacre Foley Montfort Beaumont Hatherton Carrington Camoys Kenyon Kinnaird Wharncliffe PAIRS. Earl of Zetland, till 10 o'clock Lord Arundel Duke of Bedford Earl Spencer Marquis of Anglesey Lord Bruce Earl of Effingham Lord Vivian Viscount Falkland Earl Roseberry Lord Portman Duke of Roxburgh Lord Byron, 10 o'clock Lord Beauvale Lord Sudeley E..rl of Camperdown, half past 9 Earl Duels Lord Crewe Lord Langdale Lord Leigh Viscount Sydney, 10 o'clock Lord Glenelg. Earl of Lonsdale Lord Grantley Earl of Charleville Marquis of Exeter Duke of Beaufort Lord Wynford Lord Willoughby d'Eresby Earl Tankerville Marquis of Ailsa Viscount Beresiord Earl of Munster Lord Southampton Earl of Orkney Duke of Newcastle Lord Sondes Earl of Sandwich Duke of Manchester Lord De Lisle Lord Colville Earl of Cardigan Lord ltrougham Lord Feversham LA.W INTELLIGENCE. ROLLS COURT, May 7. THE EARL OF GLENGALL V. LANHAM). This was the petition of the plaintiff for an inquiry as to the intention of a testatcr, Mr. Mellish, and in the event of his finding, that the Ccuntesa of Glengall, who was the daughter of the testator, was entitled to let certain pro perty in the Isle of Dogs on building leases. Mr. TURN ER appeared in support of the petition, and his Lordship granted the required order. VICE-CHANCELLO-.J' u)(7I2T, May 7. (Before Vice-Chancellor Sir J. WIGRAM.) MONEYPENNT V. DERING. This cause turned upon the construction of a will. The facts have already appeared in this journal, and the question came befbre this C, , urt with the view of overruling the deci sion of the Curt of Exchequer, which determined that the word " son" in the will of one of the devisees limited the estate to :he last male. Ills Ilosouft said it was the practice of the Court in cases inch as the present to carry out the intention of the testator, but he should refer the case to a court of law. It was then arranged that the case should be brought before the Court cf Commnn Pleas. • COURT OF QUEEIV'S 13111 V CH, May 7. (SzttingA in Banco.) HARE: V. ATTWOOD. lii this case an application was made fin. a new trial on the ground that the plaintiff omitted material evidence at a previous trial, when a verdict had been entered for the de fendant. An application having been made at the time, the point was reserved for argument. The CoultT refwed the application, as it was not supported by affidavit. Several other cases of no importance were then disposed of. COURT OF COMMON PLEAS, May 7. (Sittings in Bnnco ) MISCHKIN V. ROSCI. In this case an application was made for an attachment against a Mr. Levi, a Sheriff's officer of the county of Slid diesex. It appeared that the plaintiff owed 161. ISs., and that this officer continued to levy sums of money to the amount of 251. 10s.. and afterwards made a seizure on the goods of the plaintiff, a Air. Rosci, a merchant residing in Regent street, to the extent of 121. The CounT were of opinion that a rule should issue calling on the Slwriff and Mr. Levi, or one or either of them, to re fund the money. MOVEMENTS or TROOPS.—The Bricklayers' Arms station of the South-Eastern Railway was visited by great numbers of persons on Wednesday and Thursday to witness the arrival and departure of troops at that station. On Wednesday a part of the Ist division of the 57th Regiment arrived there from Dover early in the afternoon, and soon afterwards the Ist division of the 89th depot. left the same station for Dover. Yesterday afternoon the second portion of the Ist division of the 57th Regiment arrived at the Bricklayers' Arms station from Dover, accompanied by th• regimental band and numerous officers. The second portion of the Ist division of the 89th depot left the same station shortly afterwards for Dover. The area outside the station was crowded with friends and relatives of the troops, nume rous carriages with the officers, ladies, and children; those with the baggage waggons and other military accompani ments caused quite a stir in the neighbourhool. In addition to these troops several companies of the 89th Regiment pro . ceeded by the South-Eastern Railway from Reigate to Dover. both on Wednesday and Thursday, en route from Chichester. In each case special trains were dispatched. and we hear that the several commanding officers expressed the greatest satisfaction with the admirable military service arrangements made by the South-Eastern Railway Com pany. - CONTINENTAL COMMUNICATION. The South- F ; astern and Continental Steam Ship Company's vessel, the Queen of the Belgians, arrived at Folkestone, from Boulogne, at half-past two o'clock on Thus, lay afternoon, having 70 passengers on board; among whom were Lord Beauchamp, Sir George Irvine, and Captains Johnson and Preston, R.N. The steamer Queen of the French sailed from Folkestone for Boulogne at three o'clock yesterday afternoon, having 74 passengers and one carriage on bord. ROYAL ARTILLERY. WOOLWICH, MAY 6. Lieutenant Godby, Lieutenant Govan, Lieutenant 120 non-commissioned officers and gunners, and embarked this of this branch of the Ordnance corps, I 1 Waterman mb this morning at eight o'clock, .s.at, i Nova Scotia, and , Canada, to Astperlioerirtrpc-oenhripeTcanomceintoenSdteleer rne i ss hie t n2 h n ere ' d t o o d . embark efor a in p t as he_ sage to Newfoundland, Halifax , Nova at these stations. Colonel fill up and augment the companies Brigade-Major, superin tendedtionCu . PPa Tb gel e order for the departure Crutte n d theen and embarkation. Majorrhe the garrison only arrived at ei g ht o'clock ofthe troops yesterday ff° e n vening, and some of the men h a d to b e relieved of guard between ten and twelve o'clock, to be ready to proceed to the Royal Arsenal, with their baggage at six o' clock this morning, to put it on board the Waterman steamer. The band of theßoyalArtillepriyayaedccomp ie numerous s the party to the place of embarkation, and favourite airs while the me n were conveyed in small boats to the steamer. THE NEW INFANT ORPHAN ASYLUM.—The anni ver;a7 dinner of this charity took place on Thursday at th London Tavern, and was attended by a company of gentle men mustering to the number of 135. The Right Hon. Fox Manic presided, and during the evening subscriptions to the amount of 8501. were announced by the secretary, a large sum considering the charity has been only three years in existence, and one which promises extended means, and we hope in proportion thereto, extended usefulness in a very wide field for benevolent labour. THE BANK or ENGLAND.—Thursday the follow ing notice of the shuttings of the annuities on which the dividends are due to the sth of :July, was issued and Itixed at the Bank of En:Jand:—Conlolidated 31. per of Cents, 16th of Friday, the 11th June, open Friday , the 16 th July. 3!. per Cent. Annuities, 1 726 , h u l t. l l' eodfnJ"udha?.', t.rh :Vow V. p e r June ; open Wednesday, the 4 Cent. Annuities, ditto. -e•konnounittestheforl6tethrmsofofjuyl. East ea y rs shut l o n u di t a he St l e i c t k h st f uts njounei op he 3d of June, and opens en the 15th of July. Tits MAILS.—SOUTHAMPTON, MAT 6.—The Ori ental Company's steam-ship Madrid, Captain Weeks, al-rived in dock last evening, at seven r..r., from Gibraltar,. and landed the Peninsular and other mails, under charge of Ad miralty-Agent, Lieutenant Smythe, R.N., which werer for warded to London by this morning's mail train. Her dates are—Gibraltar, April 25th; Cadiz, 26th ; Lisbon, 29th; Oporto, 30th ; and Vigo, May Ist. The Madrid has aho d cargo, consisting of oranges, dates, specie, leeches, wizr o Esc, The Tay, West India packet, is hour!, expected. REPORTS. The following reports were brought up and ordered to be engrossed : Birkenhead (Commissioners) Dock Acts Amendment (con struction id' New Docks and alteration of Culvert). Birkenhead Dock Company and Herculaneum Dock Company Amalgamation. Caledonian Railway (Branch across Clyde and Glasgow _ Station.) Glasgow, 1 3 ,iisl Kilmarnock, and Ayr Railway (No. 4). ev, marnoc Ipswieh and Bury St. Edmund's Railway (No. l)—Extension to Yarmouth. The reports on the foLowing Bills were further considered and agreed to : Shipowners' Towing Company. Terrington Mar•h Division, Allotment, and Harbour. Mr. GR ET. NE moved That the order made on the 3d day of this instant May, referring the petition of the Lancaster and Carlisle Railway Company, against the North Western Rail way (Deviations at Skipton, Casterton, and Sedbergh ) Bill, to the Committee on the lin!, be read. That the said order be diseharged._That the petition be withdrawn, : Agreed to. . , MEDICAL REGISTRATION BILL. Petitions were presented in favour of the Medical Registra tinn Rill, by Dr. Bowring, Mr. Tatton Egerton, and Captain Berkeley. HEALTH OF TOWNS. Lord EBRINGTON and Captain BERKELEY presented petitions in favour of the Health of Towns Bill. GREAT NORTHERN RAILWAY. Mr. GISBORNE moved, pursuant to notice, " That it be an Instruction to the Committee on the Great Northern Rail way (Deviations between London and Grantham) Bill, to entertain the petition signed by William Fletcher Norton Norton, the Chairman of the Ambergate, Nottingham, Boston, and Eastern Ju nc ti on Railway ompany (presented 3d May), as the petition of that Company, although it does not bear the corporate seal of the co.r.pany." Mr. ESTCOURT doubted the propriety of granting the motion. Mr. AGLIONEY thought the motion ought to he agreed to, believing that if it was not great injustice would be done. After some observations from Mr. GREENE, Mr. GISBORNE said, that considering the circumstances under which the petition was drawn up, he thought the House should accede to hitt motion. He would press it to a division. After some further conversation, the House divided, when there appeared— For the motion .. 19 Against it Majority against the petition... —46 The announcement of the numbers was received with loud cheers. Mr. ORMSBY GORE moved that the evidence given be fore the Committees on the Shropshire Union Railways and Canal Bills (Chester and Wolverhampton Line, Shrewsbury and St,•ffot d Line, and Newtown and Crewe Line), in the last session of Parliament, be referred to the Committee on Group No 21 of Railway Bills. Sir JAMES G RA 11A VI said that, as chairman of the group to whom this evidence was to be referred, he was unwilling to say anything, but they had all the evidence before them which they could desire. Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL said, that if they were always reErring evidence to a Committee, in the manner proposed, the session would be closed before the labours of the Committee had been completed. Mr. OXINISBY GORE then wi hdrew his motion. HEALTH OF TOWNS BILL. Dr. 130 WRING presented two petitions from the composi. tors of the London periodi,lal press in favour of the Health of Towns Bill. CHESTER AND HOLYHEAD RAILWAY. Viscount SANDON moved, That in the case of the Chester and Holyhead Railway 13111, in Group No. 24, a Commis sion having been appointed to examine the merits of the proposed harbour at Holyhead, in reference to which the plans of the above railway have been prepared, it be an instruction to the Committee on the said Bill, that the consideration of the same be postponed until the report of said Commission be re ceived. On the motion being seconded, Mr. W. 0. STANLEY thought that the Noble Lord might have allowed the Committee to receive the evidence on this Bill before he brought forward this motion. lie con,idered that the Government might have ad vanced the progress of this measure, instead of allow ing it to be deferred to this late period of the session. lie had no desire to oppose the motion of the Noble Lord, but he at the same time thought that the promoters of this scheme had not been too well treated. After a few words from Lord SANDON, the motion was agreed to. Several messages were brought from the Lords. _ _ IMPORTATION OF COPPER ORE. Mr. MUNTZ ga ve no ti ce th a t_ on the 13th of May he should move that the House resolve itself into Committee on the duties imposed on the introduction of copper me into this country, with a view to their total abolition. RAILWAY CAPITAL. Mr. HUME moved that it be as instruction to the Select Committee on Railways that they do not pass the preamble of any Bill where:the companies suing for it did not possess sufficient capital. DROPPED ORDERS. —POOR REMOVAL BILL. Mr. G. BANKES postponed his motion for the repeal() this Bill till Tuesday next. HOSIERY BILL. Sir H. HALFORD postponed the second reading of the Hosiery Bill till Tuesday next, but hoped that the Government would give some facility for the progress of the Bill. TENANT-RIGHT (IRELAND) BILL. Mr- S. CRAWFORD, on being called upon, said that he really did not know what. to do with this Bill. It appeared that there Nsas not the slightest probability of its coming on on Wednesday next, and he very much feared that no House would be made on Wednesday, the 19th—(Laughter)—but if the Government would agree to make a Hou , e, he would fix the second reading for that day.—This was agreed to. POSTPONEMENT OF FURTHER MONEY GRANTS TO IRELAND. On the question being put that the House at its rising do adjourn till Monday, lIIIME said, he observed that the Bill for voting 620,000'. to certain Irish railways stood on the orders of the day for to-night. Now, he wished to ask the Noble Lord at the head of the Government whether it was his intention to proceed with the Bill to-night, after what had occurred last evening in another place? Lord JOHN RUSSELL—Sir, in reply to the question of the lion. Gentleman, I beg to state that independently of what has taken place in another House it is my intention to postpone the second reading of the Bill till Friday next.— ( Cheers.) The motion for the adjournment was then agreed to. HAYDOCK _LODGE. Mr. W. O. ST:iiii.tY wished to ask the Secretary of --1 I