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• ie to the house, to which he begged to call th, ij , e .. tion. It was the case of a lady, the sister of to; led officers, all of whom died while engaged in t „ v eir country. She was left with the c adre)? !nu, ters to pio . yide for, and she was also blg:l.r; e support . of an aged father ; yet not one f Ln: rnment, even after repeated applications, r' .: t. in consideration of the services of her gag i l his present Majesty was appointed Lord High 45 1 s by Isis kindness she was put in possession lad} . 0 ; .he begged to put the case of this young il that of Miss Rosamond Croker. (Ch ee f s :? s ted to have been to give the largest pens'l - 60 services had been performed; but he h0pe,0,,,d :iple would be acted - upon in that reformed,;a 0 as, hear.) Sir Robert Seppings, a man who n iao 11 try hundreds of. thousands of pounds, and ,ai .e service upwards of 50 years, was put do:s ad only 39 years, that his pension might nenrti 1. The gallant admiral next called the atte to the condition of the pursers in the of :died as a most valuable class of persons, and claims were not sufficiently attended to by sets Lad no doubt that he should be told that pur their fortune. That might be the case du' ,he per centage allowed them hail been gr ( : that period. He did hope that the First drafty would turn his attention to the sit acted class of persons, and do them so' R. If pensions were taken from the uncles,. I be plenty of money to bestow on the raeritor!, ) With respect to sinecures, all he would ,to se conceived the principle which had heels of granting a specific sum as the slot eut services, such as those of Sir F. Foley iarez, for example, worthy of co*sideratio n. e did not remain solely with7the First - at irality. If it were made compirsory nn t )se a vote for eminent services, he should Pr e traordinary remuneration to a sine.cAre arr rested solely with him he should,prefer the ad some remarks to offer also on the system :ommand of the marines to officers of an i he should submit on a future occasion. HUMS could not, for the soul of him, see on -, s could justify their keeping such an eno rmel force. We were at peace with the world, so that ion was the protection of our commerce ; b ut was not required for that purpose. America l'' very nearly equal to ours, and . yet six vesaca i ,, to efficiently protect the American flag all, 0 1 i we trap up a force of 118 fully equipped sail ° , eof sports, to protect our commercial 11,' I not half this force be sufficient for the purpose g Don them to at once reduce the naval expendit. '2, before the war, but to act on the recommen committee of 1817, and adapt the amount to )mmensurately to their enormous taxation. .esirable end, he would propose as an am' it vote be reduced from 27,000 seamen to 20,000, to the wants of the country. G. Youxu had heard with great satisfaction that 'as growing so popular that they might, or e long , to the odious system of impressment. (Ilea r ' ) . i brought that subject forward, he would in tin n, by moving that it be.referred to a select CO'i, C. Itoss, amid much roughing and cries of Stood to say that he doubted much the advant; tion of the Navy and Victualling Boards. require at least twelve months more before the s (Sir J. Graham) predictions were realized. GUEST did not think the circumstances of th e of a reduction to the extent proposed by the n°'-^e' esex, and therefore could not vote for his „,1 , I have no objection to reduce the number by 2,t ' v committee then divided:— For Mr. Hume's amendment............ • • ..". Against it Majority )ur re-admission to the gallery we found o v to lIUME proposing an amendment to reduce the •mmittee, 9:3.5,220 for the wages of seam e n , . Nothing, he said, could• be more objectico t mode of lumping and huddling together. u nder cat " wages of seamen," the salaries of admirals ' t he t officers, including sinecurists. Why not, as' state each officer's pay under its proper lwa u _ w itio t huddling mode was retained from the facilities sinecures and useless oces. • l f all • GRAHAM said the offices alluded to did not fair. were ation of sinecures. These marine a ppointmen t ! o es , men, as best acquainted with the discipline p on board men-of-war. r some discussion, the committeb divided. For the Amendment Against it f 0 . • • .. • 0 • • 14° Majority original vote was then agreed to. °4 sum of £ 438,004 was then voted for vietual o f s. house resumed, and the Chairman reported P 1 leave to sit again. IRISH CIIURCIL v ALT/TOR? postponed the resolutions relative to the to Monday next. aW ie Scotch Revenue Bill went through committee, clt !erect to be receied ts day Stafford Bribery v ßill, hi Bill, as amended, was read a se°-onoll KENNEDY moved the second reading of the Bill. a seco" 1. STEWART objected to this bill being read - t of its not having been printed. second reading was accordingly ostponed. TUESDAY. t fic e .'ed gallery was not opened till a quarter pas- uence of there being a ballot for three c.olavold n petitions, impeachingihe returns for the I_,,iitsf a, the borough of Ripon, and the city of Cc" HOUSE AND WINDOW TAX. Sheriffs of London appeared at the har.e o ua Lord Mayor, Aldermen, and Common London, against the house and window -tO. LIVERPOOL ELECTION. .01.23w order of the day for the attendance of fteriv the bar was then read; and immediately a ev o sled in and placed at the bar. She wa t s„ t i n ck Speaker. Her answers were very Mc us ", - lery, indeed the greater part of them w er fora Are give the examination, however, as We it is your name ?—Elizabeth Robinson. : 0 60 0; were summoned as a witness on the Las t " — ttee, were you not ?—Yes. were asked questions by that committee to answer, were you not ?—Yes. .t was your reason for declining to m's lif e , -- , Because I was in apprehension for my o p were in apprehension of risk to your Pe. l :r o fra , the questions put to you?—l was afr ai. • o ed them. is not from any wish, then, to conoeal Ltee that you declined to answer ?- -1 . " . , a5 k ned what I knew they would take my I " e i i vet" you the same feeling of alarm now whie4forei !lined to answer the questions put to yo u u ti ,Ebi j, '—The witness gave . an answer of some . 1 , 5 1 .11°` y words audible in the gallery were " " 3 .. O l t you been threatened by any one, or has t e o 'you supposing that any harm will apPe ll 0 - bog answer ?—I have been threatened by • Ir. ROBINSON.-Will you state to the ?:tlqtieo. is who threatened you if you answered tu committee ?—I dare not tell. • al ..-. l witness was then ordered to withdraw., 1 0 1 BANNERMAN (the chairman of the ',. o tn eo tee) then moved that the order for the'''' discharged. fr °l-1 ' in BEramseconded the motion, but, - a id le occupied under the gallery, what be s 7as inaudible in the gallery. ElumE could not assent to this propositi°e'srittl" one question—was the evidence of this ..00 0 i , ? The subject matter into which the .c.,,,135' ire was bribery; and if the witness on vhether bribes had been. given, and 11 0 0' 1 declined to answer, the whole inqsuirY supposing she were now disoharged• a 0 :131 BENETT again add resse d th e house, ° that d iaudible. We under s t oo d him to saYi I . o o ot he committee had in view would nut be P witness any further questions. 'al it HENNIKER (we believe) sa id that to I ' l 1 that this witness should bepressed thst° t 'I iee had now sat for fi ve days; and all Paid before it was that 132 3 s . (id. had Vol ut - o. i tncss was called to prove that a bribe t te ll', ered and received;. and she would O',• the f the person who paid, or the name °cis bet the bribe. If the house did not Pr e- e d. j e . le whole inquiry might as well be stoPP atidib 3EEETT again spoke, and was again Dn. Member (name unknown) said teA e so; which the house was called on to d e ‘, l ideoff i d ness justified in refusing to give, e l i e r rr ► at s, that Some person had threateliL,.o act' 0", gave evidence. Now, , he apinct' e 'i o st England sufficient to protect her 01;3000 ye et' Me witness, in his opinion, ought the ir , e grounds which she had stated. Poe 611 could be made acquainted with the threatened..(Htheeapr,oohreawio.)man, as he might be one of the t culprit's _ B lRi o eE said that the real question at issue was whether ',Te e Ivaruld allow itself to be stopped in any investigation other averment of the party themselves , unsupported , ni,le tmalence, that they had been intimidated from a i:, , r, Firth ? (Hear, hear.) He was inclined, from the t i l 'ce, of the witness at the bar, to think that she had k house hen when she* said that she had been threatened; al ,s t `L' s e.enght not to consider that point so much as the beroinaciples involved in a case of this nature. It Might 31.4litillafter of discretion with the committee whether hat the this witness to the bar of the house or not; but /Llgh t t?_ e niumittee had brought the witness before them, 4 , h 4 a s‘ nt the house would not discharge its duty, either Id , e t t e r rer, it it let the question drop ; On the cOntrary, and t Inducements to the timid witness to be timid over ti„,ceo.the corrupt witness to screen his corruption by eirthin his rower. If the house should acquiesce in it ‘ 13 wi tness under the circumstances which she had spuld acquiesce in that in which he was certain that ~) ustice in the country would acquiesce for a mu e4r, bear.) In a word, if the house acquiesced in 'lv proposed, it would be unworthy to exercise ju -1:11s* a gain, and ought to abdicate them entirely in Pop ar said that he had come to the same conclusion _ atis member fur Cambridge. If the witness still >l' force -wa r, be saw no alternative but resorting to that • which the house had always hitherto employed instance. 'rt , lll " begged leave, as chairman of the committee, s..e m embers of t h e committee had gone as far as harm as far as the law could protect her. Le ; su ggested to that if the time for reflection were t o 7 „ -I less till to•morrow, and some friend were in the ok i t - ,' c ise her, she might then, perhaps, he induced no w 'ate ther ' ef'ore advised that she should be ciis itur;,,-41" b rought again to the bar to-morrow. tionse - , 1 1 1 . 1 ' s tigeetted that the witness should be informed ~,elit tb„ ° ; ela surround her with answering tectio of "to l - , 4 tro'ald insist upon her the ques -8HE,,...., y the committee. Ease d the .house should recollect, that though the sh e ' I L a answer the questions put to her before the house.- 'as not refused to answer any question put to , Tile questions put to her Li) , the committee Put to her by the house. wit itl avtr called upon the house to reflect that L d i ess was evidently influenced by terror operating e ' l' , e efleet of that terror was to make her a cloak i„, a Ill ent of crime. Some person was endeavouring I - "„fe,if from the conviction of guilt, and from the ,„".'ell would follow his conviction, by exciting iiiii i ;L n d• Though she was innocent, she was coin --q—atien to protect the criminaL He concurred ar ,, - , 4 of Lord Althmp, and proposed that she a ;-" 0 protection, and told to appear before the Pal to-morrow, and to answer all questions which kt a zak it expedient to put to her. 41, 11. t said the witness was entitled to the best 43e - 7, e h c 4 ise, and sue-gesfed that, as soon as she had 4 04 ld 'f 31 ,e of the person who had threatened her, a ' W 'e ISsued to take that person into custody. . two thok it for granted that when the house armed wi t h , 'us e powers to-send for papers, persons, and re ' intk.h would resent any disobedience to that corn at th ~,as it would resent any disobedience committed the Iv - 'ar- Ile took it for granted that the questions g ee hentocitt had refused to answer wete considered by the le , queti ons o f importance ; for if they were not - t t 4 th eY Would not have brought the witness before too d —a ,ving brought her, however, to the bar as a , b allect to answer, the house had no other alterna -4)ree an answer to the question by every means i' t , . • 4 it l'as k t i. rt , said that if he could collect the feeling of the al t 4's - --th a t the witness should be called in, and in tr's,*l "use had heard her statement and were not cti S' s e q h er excuse; that she should be requested to ; 4 , hae s . ,t'n U. to her, and be told that she should be seeees s i t ` t nY ill consequences from her answer. Thep .(,? assl l Y to inakin, an order that she should be clis -18. lis t : x \''as not in custody. , 'Tit su ggested that she should be cautioned as to us ee s ,s _, . ci te Sls mu ut her persistuag in her refusal to answer. Oat Doi (Whose name we did not learn) said that up e 'tios 'lt the witness had made no objection to answer sta put to her °4l te "'ls f • M r . SHAW, which could not be heard kb er ty , from T. . 4 4 401 1 ' ~i t A k, IllgOLI was again called to the bar. 4" Lit intOrmed her that the house had listened to the '.the had o ftered for not answering the questions put to °ti t . s e t4 itt-1, and did not think . that that excuse was , , Put t S'o ,, :e expected that she would answer any s . as prod o her; at the same time she might rely on the e s ec ,.. , S t i les k „, Lion of the house if she discharged her duty es, y ,,,s he house was satisfied to take , the answer she k ti 'lles s - ",t o believe that she was in a mistake as to the 14 ens - (1, her answer • but she must now learn that the 1 0 1 l he her her continued' refusal to ausber would be, that pep l teel sou rs s mated to the custody of the Sergeant-at-arias. tto V ( ' now expect that she would answer all ques e,,`,4. a s ,1 1 1., and she might depend on full protection it she i „h e s , e was bound to do. l '' She should then ordered to withdraw, with the understand las 1 ° WA again go before the committee to-morrow. ,s' Le t , EXCISE LAWS (SCOTLAND.) tb 4 7l4 D II HAY,. in consequence of his Majesty's govern tle es,l,eaorninated a commission to examine generally th by the law of the united kingdom, and having been b e e aa, s e, noble lord, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, dit er 7, t 'en of the commission would as early as pos 4at "elec tsid Scotland, postponed his motion for the ap '3l4 V committee to Thurssday, the 30th of May,. ale • e confidence he placed in his Majesty s.govern a4, ea a ,Dr duce them, as far as possible, to alter and amend ais es en • st) oph r iorce, which was, in many respects, vexa ekes's:oB,l*e to the people of Scotland. 4, 0 . Wy s _ ' DE CE ON THE LAST INDIA QUESTION. 0 th e 4 1%, asked whether there was any . obection to i ' 4 i4 et , Die of the house the correspondence between ,'s Wi t i r , s q the Board. of Control and the East India I Zri e r had yesterday been read at a Court of East Pa s Ttl rs ' rs oil said there could be no objection to laying s: a the t a bl e o f t h e h ouse. 1 4 /x3 COMMUTATION OF TAXES. I lleVali e t d )! !'" - -Notwithstanding the diversity of opinion tis eis t • ni that House upon almost every topic, there k it ttli e awhich all seemed to be agreed—that the coon lette'S 47 L ueved from . the overwhelming burden of taxa- - 'ea . : 4 to ..,`", e government had hitherto been assailed front aieetei t 'sgae off tuxes, and as those calls had been met , be tor preservin „ft the faith of the country, the con , Ot 6 bat there had been kept up taxes to a considera bl4 ata l 'ad the actual exigencies of the state. He had 4( 4 is'ution to the subject, and, having considerable th e 'ifk x, that house, he was aware that no very large s k i!t es could be remitted in any way consistent ( ss ti sti r vation of the public faith, otherwise than by a rtety, it ° l taxes. Unless he could make out a strong case . i s 'N,'Sti sil lyould not be expedient to change the whole sys- COs i ltS f ; And he would take it on himself to prove that d t Cit s t `'r (Un ti e-in c e the'system did exist. He should not ?0 ' li th e exiSting distress of the•countrv. On a' former 14 ,, at e s' alernber. for Birmingham (Mr. Attwood) had "of tee l A. ' Yl o h, Ilt on that subject calculated to harrow up the ,'`eti o 'oer:" who heard hint • and although he thought the 4 e 1t , 1 of S s tatement overcliarged, vet such was really the ' 4 4 ,k1b le labouring classes of the community—lihich i 4 tivjej, e ll neglected, and of which neglect the country i ' v es;eli s i l l ' i g the consequences—that it was the duty of that INsfeis tu t eir case into consideration, and to see it the col •!11 brti tei aild patriotism of the house could not find'out• a S Is (I s r distressed condition. The noble lord . (Althorp) °lLll'ilitC• Itobinson's) opinion, prudently refrained from ttl i Overe the intentions of the government, until it 4 e th e n e ou ls Paver to make 'his financial statement. As he et ad 31 40 pursued. by the noble lord, it might he asked, ~4 k 3, ti ,° . t himsself waited-until the same period ? His ti 041 111 „" . 4 t no government could be expected to propose lio tt "ola7atioh of taxes as he was going to suggest—name-, pPe0p;,,,,. 4 of other taxes to make way for the adoption of, i ! l ttikilli r ,`"„Y' - The;people complained of the pressure of , I ,Plk t e el a , - ` lB of taxation, and that all this fell upon the! '' ° Yoare es , , as Persons of great wealth comparatively paid' gi ' ' t tltlioe tae burdens of the state. He entertained a deep- , ,I.e s , S t as that if the remedy were much longer delayed,' b eti' las s :ation. were suffered still to press upon the la- Les s , 4l : o l 4 -B , s ' s t.hey would ere long. find . themselves in dif ,ls' ad e ^9n-h they could not extricate themselves.— N,'' . ,re ai e teasing trade, with decreasing profits, although i N, I -1 h' s ',l l ;ei'y much decreased, and Mr. Huskisson had 'i`)r,'la l i te ir,mion that the system of taxation could not be h ki s , ' oll ger without danger to every interest in the cS i . kle s rg atrare also of the disinclination to a property ellities race, he had offered his own services to smooth '." the way o f its adoption. What, he would ask, re rle yy, ,; would a nd reit , : olf_itisti by the f w a. , 4 "ar, ] N urser s 6 fa n, „: . ;W pr ; e ( laver ~ , -1-ions . , 1 greatlY A . Tear) ?first . 1 ) ° „ th„aEL sa 'tuau°". uett si di to o „, • u some , .8 of I. 'Wer. rideSe r" last 9 r ee A; 1'it.060115, Ijoi 14Stanl sild then y th!tßm A uric . 0 ••,, th e 311 .i° re , ksibi„ 1 yeclio a tea t .7 eou: o ley at, • h c ,?/4 ha awl, ' - 1 4 . 1 0 th' E sul irst ° ti/ Eo e witne 02 that t l , al / -,, le uct v i prefe r (1. 11 ',, k1 •' I', ar poill' A , w, and L h e pre!' +, e h L ti Ttio ot , tetra c' e f t , s ; w, b o t t 4 , e ,, wo c anat." - Put t o t hat , • 81 1 E "ar b, 1 w bat . , , e ,/t........ 1 : )rlauu + s he itt 'ged to , that h i) A ce, sh e a '• 7 , , t t h I, ' t h e ° ti e s e t y .!.ssel.' ° • 11 ). NO Put 11 ove r hth • Ft, .1 f t be ° wit at o 1 .. t toi t_ ti , t ial 1 1 a`•11: „ li d, th e to 0 'te . `Acealt titure . to h tt h i _ , ue en d a tin !I leti , uhett to a sta n d It h ' W hirl A , 5 t, 'to ki Dt iendra e° , ' 11 11i /1 . 1 4f! 00, af ° .6:agge st i or. • cured e th, e ,, te e ," r ed e 1014 , 1 7 'ligh t ,gain t ear.) ° T. v think i a the F o e. u m eta t ,,,, N , . o rn 4 , of t h 1 '` Q ue 'of , t et t the e I otag ,s o. • ,- sho oki liat ~ t 1 '• ci e the t ril ' ti llitt \ e , V l ic t co o tha h ous e, the o c , at , e boa. do . 1 , o latt . , ; aw en e ti. , ' at th " a s ) 000 0 th e e ba l 41 litt ee w t °lta n ..•.' 3. 1 ' 'l•ort,„ ° he q .•• • ' • /,hou se - gee the , Hay; e ...... . wh o i oe , t t o p,"!elth e vo te ti , e yo wer -mlo r , ( en , b a tle ' 84', ,tion ehe t ,it ~,,- q u r ider wig 4 th as thi s ' rilysi'tll_'' e ye ih, the -] 1 THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD. . . had since taken place that could tend to alter that opinion ? The state of the country was in every respect worse—the labouring classes were in a worse Condition than at that period —the distress of every class had been much augmented, and the Governirient was surrounded with the difficulties, the compli . rated difficulties, arising out of the expenditure attendant upon the wars in which the country had been engaged. It was use less to deny the fact, for time proved it. He might be asked if he intended toehold out the language of despair ? Far from it. What he meant to contend for was, that it was only by a more equal distribution of the burdens of taxation that the country could get through the mass of difficulties by which it was over whehned. He should, according to his promise, abstain from entering into details of the distress which prevailed throughout the country; but he should, nevertheless, state one or two facts, from some'l'arliamentary returns, which would of themselves show the pressuie upon the labouring classes asociety, It ap peared from these returns that the poor-rates in the last year had increased to the extent of £314,374 beyond what they were in the preceding, year; and this, be' it remembered, after a most abundant harvest, with cheap provisions, and the value of money continually augmenting. He would ask all those who were acquainted with the state of the agriculturists, and of the manufacturers, and also of the other interests of the country, whether it was not a fact that the condition of the people was in a constant course of retrogression? There - had been last year an increase of four per cent. in the poor-rates throughout the country. - There had been only three counties in which there had not been an increase, which clearly showed that the distress was general. The counties in which there had been no increase were Bedford, Cornwall, and Westmoreland. In Somerset, Surrey, and Sussex, there had been an increase to these rates of between seven and eight per cent. There had been a decrease in the rates of Carriarvon, but there had been an increase of- nine per cent. in Cardigan, and of 11 per cent. in Glamorganshire. In addition to this, he would advert to the great increase of crime which had taken place since the year 1825, and this was a strong proof of his position, for crime was the invariable consequence of great poverty. The number of commitments were, in the year 1825 . . . . . . 14,437 1826 . . . . . . 16,164 1827 . . . . . . 17,904 1828 . . . . ' . . 16,504 1829 . . . . . . 18,675 1830 • • • . . . 18,107 1831 . . . . . . 19,047 1832 . • . . . 20,829 so that within the last seven years there had been an increase in crime to the.amount of 50 per cent. He founcralso, by a re ference to the returns from the Savings' Banks, which were the true criterion of the comfort or poverty of the people, that there had been paid into those banks in the year 1822, £761,368, while there had been sold out £1,261,118. Such state ments as these were not to be overturned by any individual statements as to comparative prosperity of particular districts. The honourable gentleman then went into a lengthened state ment of the effects of taxation generally, amd quoted Dr. Adam Smith as being favourable to a . property tax as the fairest of all imposts, and concluded by moving, "That a Select Conimittee be appointed to consider and revise our existing taxation, with a view to the repeal of those burdens which pressed most hea vily upon productive industry, and to substitute an equitable tax upon property in lieu thereof." Mr. WARBURTON said that the hon. member for Worcester did not perhaps imagine, after the observations he had made, that lie (Mr. W.) would rise to .second his motion. The motion to which he had objected was a motion for a Committee, which, if agreed to, ought to have all the petitions of the Session re ferred to it. The present motion was pot liable to such an ob jection, and therefore it was that he rose to second it. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHECICER said that he had not the least intention to accuse the hon. member who brought for ward the motion of any wish or intention to embarrass his Ma jesty's Government. He would not object to the motion, be cause it left to a Committee a duty generally imposed upon the Government. If the lion. member chose to save him (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) the trouble of proposing a finan cial statement, he should be the last man to object to it. The hon. member seemed to think that it was the duty of persons holding his (the Chancellor of the Exchequer's) office not to tell the entire truth as to the state of the country. 1\ ow he thought that nothing was so absurd as for a minister to get up in the house and talk of prosperity, when he did not think that that prosperity existed; but it was his duty, upon every princi ple of good policy, to tell the truth; but, on the other hand, he was not to say that more distress existed than' really did. It was much better that, upon every topic, every gentleman should say what he really thought. The hon. member had alluded to a motion which he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) had made in 1830, and to what he had said on that occasion. The motion was to consider of a revision of taxation, and did not ap ply itself to a property tax at all. He was ready to admit that he did then use the expression which the hon. gentleman had imputed to him, that though he had been opposed to a property tax in 1816, experience had since made him think it might be adopted. He stated it then as a change of opinion which ex perience had brought upon him, He had had a great deal of experience since, and if he differed from the opinions of 1830, he could not be accused of improper inconsistency. Ile had proved the sincerity of his opinions by his first financial state ment. The experience he had had taught him, that it was easy to induce the house to take off a tax, but that it was extremely difficult to induce the house to impose a tax for that which was takeu off. The hon. gent. had brought forward a proposition of a large reduction of taxes—namely, fifteen millions. Prom what he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) recollected of the produce of the taxes, he should say that that proposition was a reduction to the amount of seventeen millions. The property tax, in ' 1816, produced fourteen millions and a half. NVe must look to the sources from Which it was really derived: Let us look at the value of money at the time the tax produced fourteen millions and a half, and we should come to the' conclusion that ; an income tax of ten per cent. would not produce so much as a property tax in 1816. In nominal amount it would produce ; more, but in reality less. The hon. member would have a graduated property tax. He proposed that every man should pay according to the advantatages.he enjoyed. This would ; be to declare what income a man was to have. To lay a greater tax upon £20,000 than upon £2OO would be to say thaf the man who had £20,000 a-year had too much property. Carry this principle to its full extent, and you would come directly to the equalization of all property. He did not mean to say that you might not go to a certain extent—he merely meaait s ,to say ; that he did not think that it was desirable, at the present time, for the House of Commons to undertake the commutation of taxes with the view that it, was proposed. The commutation of one of the taxes had been advantageous;—he meant commuting the tax on printed calicoes, and placing it upon raw materials. He could not consent to the motion which the hon. gentleman brought forward. He should be throwing upon a Committee of the house a duty properly imposed upon himself. It was his duty to consider how far taxes could he repealed so as to be advantageous, and that was one of the objects to which he applied - himself. He felt it to be his duty to give the question the most serious consideration. • COBBETT would vote for the motion of the hon. member for Worcester, not because he thought a graduated property tax just, but because he thought it right to ged rid of the whole of the present system of taxation. Mr. linsiE congratulated the hon. member for Worcester upon the change of opinions which had taken place an his mind. Ilo*agreed with those hon. members who said that taxes ought to be reduced, and, most of all, those taxes which pressed most heavily upon the working and industrious classes of society. He was glad that the hon. member had brought forward this motion, and he felt still more pleased at having heard the opinions expressed by the noble lord opposite upon it; but above all, be felt gratified at - finding that there was to be some inquiry . into the subject. . That such an inquiry would take -place .he sincerely hoped, and he trusted that the noble lord opposite, and those friends about him, would act upon the principles laid down by him, and enter into it as speedily and as extensivy as possible. (Loud cries of " Hear, hear.") Colonel Tonaaas thought it the duty of a reformed Ilouse of Commons to relieve the people from the pressure of taxation, and this, in the present state of affairs, could - only be done by withdrawing those taxes which'pressed most immediately ripon the labour and industry of the country, and placing them upon fixed pod immovable property. (Hear, hear.) Unless this yeas done—unless' justice was done, as far it could be 'done, in that house, it would be attempted to be done elsewhere, and -that under circumstances which he feared to contemplate. (Hear.) Mr. P. TnoresoN said that he felt called upon to make - a few observatiens. The hon. member proposed a change that would have the effect of reducing seventeen millions of taxes, and he had not submitted to their consideration any definite substitute by which the deficiency in the national revenue could be sup., plied. This be Conceived would be in itself a sufficient ground for his opposition to the motion. But there were two other grounds on which he rested. The first was, that he did. not consider it advisable that a question, of principle should be referred to a committee; such questions beloilgcal of right to the whole - house. He would say, let the question of a property tax be fairly discussed and debated in the house, and let the gentleman who came to introduce it be ready to lay before them some specific plan, by which this property or income tax might, if approved of, be carried into effect; and let him not . content himself with alluding to a substitute for existing taxes, without pretending to be able to teach his Majesty's govern ' ment what the nature of this substitute might be. The second ground - for his opposition was, that they were not then in the . same condition as when he brought forward his Motion two years ago, for his Majesty's government had since then repealed several taxes. (llear, hear.) The whole amount of taxes repealed since the war was 1:34,137,000. In this was included the property tax, amounting to X 14,00,000. Now, since the year 1819-1820, the taxes repealed pressing upon articles of consumption in the use of the lower clasSes, or upon articles which were the raw material of our manufactures, and, con sequCntly, taxes, which offered the greatest impediments to industry, amounted to £16,864;000; and taxes had been.taken off wholly, or in part, from the folloiving articles :--=barilla, hemp, malt, salt, drugs. tobacco, silk, soap, windows, beer-duty, leather, coals, slates, candles ? and printed-calicoes. He wished that gentlemen would consider this when they called for a reduction of taxation to the amount of four millions and a half, and remember the engagements of the country. It was vain too for honourable gentlemen to urge the impatience '.-of their constituents. He telt perfectly assured that no constituency would wish any thing done by which the public credit was com promised, for they must know that upon public credit was founded the present prosperity and future hopes of this empire. No desire, therefore, he was convinced, of relievingtheniselves from taxation, would induce them to wish the public credit to be tampered with in the least degree. The House of Commons, ' they would recollect, had only fourteen millions to deal with. The rest of our expenditure was devoted to the discharge of our engagements. The Right Hon. Gentleman concluded by de claring that the faith, honour, and prosperity of the country depended upon public tredit. Mr. HARVEY, after some preliminary observations, in which he remarked that the subject under discussion naturally must be a disagreeable one to the House, as it directly affected the interests of the greater number of its Members, proceeded to contend that the Right ,Hon.. Gentleman's speech had not been directed to the . main. question, which was the expediency of a property tax, but rather to a number of details that had no very close connection with it. The Right Hon. Gentleman com plained that the Hon. Gentleman near him had not explained his plan for introducing a property tax; but such an explana tion was not in the least necessary. Besides, what a cry would there not have been raised about public credit, and good faith, and so forth, if the hon. Member had proposed the reduction of sixteen millions of taxation, without suggesting some substi tute; and,- in his mind, the only substitute was a property tax. The vice of our legislation, was, that it always came too late. The remedy that would once - have been a specific was deferred until it became powerles from the increase of the disease. They legislated in the dark, as it were, and to meet adventitious cir cumstances. Now, however; he trusted they might he, for once, induced to legislate when they had only to meet contin gencies that were floating before them, but that, if neglected, would soon be at the treshold of the House; Mr. PEASE' thought that a very valuable and desirable com mutation might be made in the taxation of the country, and he was anxious - for the appointment of a committee, because it might, by divulging the mutual views of the members, prepare the house for the consideration of the Budget, with much better effect than they could now approach that subject. There were many circumstances in the distribution of taxation which bore unnessariiy . hard upon the industrious clasies. There was a partiality and inequality in the taxation which called loudly for a remedy. Tiie post-horse duty, ,for instance, pressed very severely upon the poor man, who was obliged to pay as much for 14 nays as the rich man for a whole year. The tax upon bricks also was .a very oppressive one. The collection of a property tax, which he looked upon as being very different from an income tax, would not be so expensive as the collection of the present taxes, and on that account also he considered it would' be a good substitute. In a moral point of view the pre sent system of taxation was very objectionable, because it created various offences which were not known to the divine law. Hehoped the house would agree to a Committee. (Ques tion.) After a few words from Mr. ROBINSON in reply, the - house divided, and the numbers were :- 1" or Mr. Robinson's motion A gaiust it . Majorityagainit the motion . . . Mr. O'CoNNELL obtained leave to bring in a bill to repeal so much of the act. 34 George 111., chap. 8, as imposes fines on masters of vessels lying in the river Liffey for having fires. on board. Mr. KENNEDY obtained leave to bring in three bills relating o the Scotch law of entail. . Lord ALTISORP stated that it was his intention to press the bringing up of the report of the Irish Disturbances Bill on this evening, and hehoped hon. members would allow it to take precedence of the other business. r- - The report of supply was brought up and agreed to. The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and the house' adjourned at a quarter past two o'clock. DINNER TO 11111._LYALL,..M.P. On Saturday last the friends of Mr. Lyall gave a dinner to that gentleman at the City of London Tavern, which was at tended by several of the most intelligent and influential mer chants of London. Mr. Freese (on his health being drunk) re turned thanks iu a speech so admirable, that we cannot refrain front making die foltowing extract:—" Sir, we arc essentially a commercial nation; and 1 use the term in its most extensive sense, embracing every I.,Frade and ramification, frOm the small est shopkeeper and the humblest water-side porter to the most wealthy .and influential merchant upon the Royal Exchange. A just regard to the trading interest of the empire must be hold by our legislators as paramount to every other consideration. To these, politics must he made subservient, and the minister Who holds them cheap is unfit for the' station he occupies. (Loud cheering, which lasted for some minutes.) 'The first ob ject of a patriotic British minister must be to nurture and ex tend existing branches of commerce, and to seek and cultivate new channels for the growing enterprise, skill, and industry of the country, which constitutes the only legitimate appropriation and employment of an otherwise redundant population. He must studiously avoid being entangled in the labyrinth of con tinental politics (hear, hear,) and be protif against the wily arts of foreign diplomatists. To what but to their commerce did, in ancient times, Tyre and her illustrious offspring, Carthage, owe their weaith and power? To what the splendid republics of Venice and Genoa? To what Britain, and her no less illus trious ofd's Wing, the United States? To what but to their com merce? . (Cheers.) And to what, I will ask, can the downfall of the- former states be ascribed but to a disregard of their com mercial interests and a lust for political interference in the af fairs of other states. (Long continued cheering.) Was it an envy of their wealth which doomed them to destruction ? No ; a dread Of their ambition. It was this that eitiacted from the elder Cato the memorable anathema "Delonda est Carthago: ) ! It was this that led to the extinction of that once powerful and magnificent city—it was this which ruined the Italian re publics. May we then lay up the treasures of experience, and avoid those rocks upon which other commercial • states have shipwrecked their fortunes! (Cheers.) And let it not be supposed, sir, that the interests of commerce are inimical to those of agriculture, for there cannot be a greater fallacy. They are as it were twin sisters, sensitively sympathising iu ail that affects either—the streams of commerce fertilizing the pregnant fields ,of agriculture and without their mutual action those stream would dry up, that soil be barren and unproduc tive. They are parts of the same body, - and, unless the health ful blood circulate equally through the whole system, it must concentrate at particular points, and the whole frame becomes mortally diseased. To use a metaphor in illustration of the mutual dependence of one interest upon another, and the har mony of the whole, agriculture may be termined the foundation of commerce; colonies, fisherieS, and manufactures its pillars; navigation its wings; and whenever any of these constituent parts be injured, the whole structure will be deformed and in secure. (Hear, hear.) Feeling thus, sir, the importance of protection to all those interests, we naturally looked out for a representative every way qualified to protect theirs, and we found one in Mr. Lyall (cheers)—one whose intimate know ledge'of the general principles and experience in the details of trade would make his opinions upon every commercial subject respected—one whose judgment would not be captivated by every jack-i'-th'-lantern project of the political economists (immense cheering)—whose mind would not be misled by every: will-o'-th'-wisp that shoWed itself in the political hori zon—a gentleman, sirovhose knowledge, moderation, and good sense would insure weight to his sentiments, whether expressed in de:Ate, or in the no less important business of the com mittees." SQUIBS mom THE CABINET.—" IS it possible, (said Stanley to Lord Althorp at the Council the other day,) that your Lord ship does not remember the circumstance to which I. allude ?" " I really (answered ihe Chancellor' of the Exchequer) cannot tax my memory." "If you did tax your memory (interrupted the Irish Secretary,) I presume the duty liknild 'be paid on the collection of your Lurdship's ideas ?" " Not quite so (said the voice froti the Woolsack,) it being laid on the memory, the duty would be required in the re-collection."—Pretty mode this of debating ori the affairs of the nation' in secret conclave—no wonder the Councils last some A member of - the Athenaeum, asking J. W. C., "how 'Lord Ashley progressed with ' Sadler's Bill in the House ?" " Oh! (said the wit) the Bill is pursuing the 'even ten-ho . ur of its way,' as the poet says."—Age.. ABSTRACT OF THE FACTORIES' LABOUR BILL. The preamble states that it has become necessary to regulate the hours of labour in mills and factories, " Inasmuch as the practice in such places to employ a great dumber of chil dren, and young persons of both sexes an unreasonable length of time, and te..te at night, and in many instances all night, to the great and manifest injury of the health and morals of such children and young persons." The first clause protects persons under 21 from night work, • or from labouring between seven in the evening and six in the morning. Permins under 18 shall not be employed in labour more than ten hours a day, or than eight on a Saturday. Those hours to be twelve and ten respectively : meal times included. The hours of meals to be one and the same'for all children and young persons engaged in the same factory.. . The hours of labour may be varied under certain circum; stances, as to their commencement and termination, - but not as. to their length. Time alleged to be lost in . consequence of impediments in the machinery not. to be made up by the young operatives. . No children under nine years of age to be employed. Nona of the young persons to be detained on Sundays in cleaning the machinery. The walls and ceilings of the working rooms to be white washed at least once a year; unless where they have been painted. In'the future erection of factories it shall be provided that none of the working rooms shall be less than ten feet . in boight. In enforcing the penalt i es and provisionsthege 'clauses, no' Justices of Peace' interested in factory property are to act. The regulations of this act to be hung up in the mills, and. time books to be kept, with heaVy penalties for false entries. That time of labour to be regulated not by the." speed clocks" which are usually attached to the machinery, but by . regular time pieces set by the nearest pUblie clOck. The machinery to be fenced or boxed off; so as to preverif accidents. Fatal accidents occurring through neglect of this clause to be imputed as " manslaughter" to the owners of the factory.- and where the accident may not amount to the loss of life, but to pecuniarycompemmtion for the sufferer. The remainder of the bill relates p rinci pally to penalties-for Working engines at improper hours, the mode of recovering penalties, and some .other minor details. Towards. th e con clusion there is a clause sanctioning a certain protraction of the time and laboiir for the first six months after the passing of the act, for the express purpose of it.„t, bearing hard .on the master manufacturers by the sudden limitation of the daily labour. The new enactment, it is proposed, shall come into force from and after . the Ist of July next. TURN-OUT COTTON SpisNErts...--ln consequence of some dis pute about wages, eighteen of the spinner s i n th e em pl o y o f Messrs. Beaver and Company, Chepstow-street, Oxford-road, left their .einrittiVinent on Tuesday week, and were replaced by others who gladly accepted work on the terns proposed to them. On Friday and Saturday last, the street in filont of the mill was paraded by a number of men, amongst whom were the turn-outs, and every person going to or from the mill was hooted find an noyed in such a way, that the new hands were obliged to be es=- corted to and from their work. • On 'Friday last an overlooker named Drinkwatcr, and three other men, were employed-in es corting four of the' new spinners to the factory, when.they were assailed by a volley of stones and other missiles, and it was. with the utmost difficulty they effected an entrance into the building. Shortly after wards Driukwater - and a man named-- Howarth came out of the factory, when they were again assaulted and. most violently beaten, but at length made their escape into the Peveril of the Peak public house. A man named Bolim-appear ed to be the leader in the outrage, and three others named But terworth, Partington, and Mari:land, were 'also 'recognized. amongst the mob; a warrant was accordingly taken out against. them, and the latter three were brought up ter examination -be fore the magistrates at the New Bailey, on Monday.. From the evacuee of the witnesses it appeared, that Bollin (who was not in custody) was the only man who could be identified as having assaulted Drinkwater, and as the information. - ivds mere ly for a common assault, the case against the three others was dismissed; an information, however, was immediately laid against them under the statute for conspiracy, and they will be again brought up to answer the charge. When the case was disposed of; Mr. Beaver applied to the magistrates for au addi tional constabulary force to protect his spinners, several of whcrm he said had been obliged to live in the mill ever since the turn out, not, daring ? - to leave it for a moment . He said lie was de termined to ahord the men protection; if possible, even-if it cost him 1:50',/, for he could obtain any nutaber of spinners at the price he was paying; if 'the turn-outsWthild let them work. The magistrates directed him to apply to the constables of fhe town ship, and if it was found that they could not furnish a SUfficient force, upon the regular affidavit of that fact being made, they would swear in a body of special constables for the occasion.-- Manchester Herald. IRELAND. RIOTS IN NEway.—Our Newry friends have had some pre cious doings in their good town, as we have had in ours. It seems that on Friday last, after the arrival of the news that Lord Marcus Hill's election had been confirmed, a great crowd assem bled with music and fire arms, and bonfires and lea.r de jo;4e were to be seen and heard in every street. Sunday, being St. Patrick's-day, passed over more tranquil than might have been expected; but about eleven o'clock at night rioting commenced; shots were fired in the streets, and the - houses of some of Mr. Maguire's friends were attackeq. A general illumination for Monday night was understood to be in contemplation, but early in the day the authorities took measures for its prevention.— About eight o'clock in the evening the firing of guns commenc ed in High-street, and bonfires were lighted in several parts of the town. At the same time the Maguire party kindled one in Costle-street. Matters proceeded from bad to worse till, a regulai warfare commenced, and an attack was made by the Orangemen on the Convent, the . windows . of which were smashed, and the strong iron gate nearly forced. The Roman Catholics then rushed from their own head-quarters, Castle-street, upon the as sailants, who, after a furious battle, were forced to retire. An attack was now made upon the house of Mr. George Scott, who, assisted by a number of his friends, kept up a regular fire for two hours, according to the account of the Newry papers, but with;- out causing any loss of life. In the mean time the Orange party rallied, and commenced a regular system of house destruction wherever they went. The house of Mr. J. A: O'Hagan, Mrs. Rice, Mr. Branigan, &e., were wrecked; all Market-street, parts of North-street, Castle-street, and Mill-street, with the ex ception of the houses of Lord Marcui Hill's friends, were re duced to a state of ruin. This condition of affairs lasted till about two o'clock on Tuesday morning, when the military were called out, and quiet was restored. The appearance of the town on the tidlowing day has been compared by, one of' the Newry papers to that of Bristol after the celebrated 'riots in that city ; but the whole narrative of the paper in question is so high ly coloured, that we cannot trust ourselves with it till we shall have had the advantage of a qualifying statement on the other side.—Beljiist News Letter. Captain Fottrell, justice of the peace for the county of Dub lin, and Charles Cavenag,h, Esq., of Fitzwilliam-street, had.the honour of laying (through Baron Tuyll) before his Excellency the Lord Lieutenant, a memorial, signed by 281 inhabitants of the town of Newry, praying that his Excellency would be pleased to direct an investigation into the causes of the outrages ccm mated in Newry on the night of the 15th instant, to which., the following is the reply : " Dublin Castle, March 22. " Sir,—Having submitted to the Lord Lieutenant the memo rial which you put into my hand this morning, in relation to the late disturbance at Newry, I am commanded to acquaint you that his Excellency (who is particularly' engaged, and cannot therefore see you) has directed an immediate inquiry to be in stituted in regard to it; and for that purpose has caused Mr. Plunket, chief magistrate of police, to proceed there without de lay, to take depositions on oath from such persons as may come forward to give evidence. "I have the honour to be, Sir, " Your obedient humble servant, " W. TUYLL. "To Capta!in Fottrell," &c.—Dublin Times. FIFTY-TWO LIVES LOST.'—The casualty alluded to in the We terfiffd Mail, res_pecting the upsetting of a boat at Youghall, an d the loss of lives has not Only been confirmed so far as that state ment reached, but the calamity has greatly exceeded the origi nal report of it. We have been informed that three boats were lOst on the fatal eyenini , of Thursday last, durin g th e g al e an d sleet shower. The first ° boat contained 27 persons, workmen empl4ed at Youghall,whowere crossing over to the place of their general residence after labour was over. They had actual ly arrived withiin hail of their own houses, when a sea struck the boat on the boom, which upset her, anddeplorable to relate, only one out of the whole number was saved. About an equal nuitib6r of persons perished in the other two boots, which foun dered the same evening near Cable Island: and our informa tion goes so far asto assure us that 52 souls perished altogether. A brig was driven on shore and completely wrecked the same evening near Youghall.—Cork Constitution. •