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as ac rd . , c heered —y et P111:1;:a01 Iletidw il ---.....1.1.0 conventionexceie(l • ehet s, a the nobleord in he could not help thinkint7that to de ninon protocolling, and diplomatic antics, yet that he 'was out-diploma learned Y is sup % spiri t of humMoonstmen in those arts upon which ............................0000.01000 , 0 00 0 ° .° ?°Bitio n ' , se 'l a rtlerseir to ' ne, however dealing" parts at least of diplo , must say, that if France proposed it Perhaps he was wrong in the p t olicy, she had eminently ercial interests of the country. ntr y were to ss bier ra sa 'flake Engatl suicidally the instrument of injury I PALMERSTON said, that if the coup me mber , f co silds e i a .nciple laid down by the honourable the s ake o no Hog noble lord o i embroil us with those two ancient succeeded 3d. him; of sacrificing her honour, at the S 1 0 5_ 0 ila ti pl acted ou “t4 and i_ Porto hat if , with whom we had so intimately [vantages, we should soon find tn is teneei e r j6ce e gal 0 • r Honour and g i a follow the loss of political indeP e _ ha d sae,s l tisould _Plaion l aid dowo nerest.—( Hear.) With respect to by the learned Solicitor-General, lose the very object for which we a to fu wartended",lY observe t Hoban sion r. The refusal of the King of his re jek, . g field ha se T consult a the learned gentleman had con ents which he had entered into; st wateh; a ist th e ... earned, that of the underwriters at Lloyd's, he his_cousta ml that was made to him; ~„ not bali;ut'svoait'ispollsibilitof though the law might release them unity of again conquering aeselgtu uie ssore s, oa rs _see' t ,y honour insurances affected by the embargo, luntry in having recourse to coercivet JO SO. liel i te / for \e_ ere t a t o n ti o r v, ny and commercial usage would not.— it absolutely imperative upon 11 ? war , 8 5 1( 1 Milt) f or ell any b usy e in r ir, indeed, the case would be des sad advised his Majesty to go " ° hich °duly . s)g tting up a shame dling minister, that might have a eel in doing, the inconveniences Sv c _ in stil s .., T s 4 t4 te was __end war, should think it fit to impose an from that procedure would have been no sy . , e a 7 41.0 . 4 hala se ,n to all commercial confidence if the ;hose of which the honourable rn . einu that evil lei our i s s?'-la. he y commercial honour. eyed c O. At N eil , gged hon.members opposite in • ters, however, had desired to , w „ the r l a he b ak renee is th de. The hon. member said that it ~, he as a ,„0i 1 . % ~e t 'e e t. \lvo ,. e affairs of the Netherlands began ry to protect the weak against theca e r?l i t ie po o i , l th „„tithat, i e ° IIIY folloivngt°ll's government, and that their suc so, and contended that we had a r o _ e d to t rid sr e s& e ti th e h present 'di up the policy of that interference; present transaction. We had lute f7 one } lie i , ti , Bt e a l , th w -- .y those h scussion, the main question was care mance of war between the Dutch on tn 11 jos', l root th at c end, an , on. members whether, as a means to ans on the otheb and though, nuin er o s 1831P e als r eurss e d ytpetter course could have been followed superior to the Dutch, the wasexperience clear , tb" re as r Es sex li dhe noble Foreign Secretary. The hon. .tter were the stronger nation. It oainst the e De jth e ilv at, of rit a tico oll this, as on other occasions, attempted :ountry was protecting the weal'. N e tinst t a borne h. ri ; ineniber . e over the policy of his noble friend ; 1, by preventing the Dutch from su . .l „,.. The s , 4 o bi er , r 7 been confident[ recollect that a prophecy and a yoke which they had resolved to cas!'_°„' stcoe st st a te the end would fidently promulgated in that house, that [id he was at a loss to conceive how t,nel' in barge: es tiosly „Pease of not be able by all his negotiations to pre iations justified the continuance often the hon , o' r ii gi34eits of 8 11 . ta ur i ope for twelve months (hear,) and that ' expected that he should explain tinual lee anti)' 0 ' 4 4 • gLu al het vlng_off a terrible war was the dismem e point upon which depended the con anxious ,0 bier aus Cheat France (loud cries of " Hear,") nee of the embargo : all he could, eu fr i i i \ iaa th e atule prohhet and doctrinaire was no less a state was that the government were, t seco%al Se fl ir But ". member himself. "Hear, hear," and ountry and Holland from the pressur,e.'!,; t i j sy l', o edove:t least,, noble e friend had preserved the peace of at the earliest possible moment at sv l tOl' e 'b ok ts ti d s '. 4 ,h ei „ t t o p r.. w e e twelve months, and Flanders was not stently with the objects which they s_e f i th i s c° _.,;'' ah e r` r t c . [l6 ; e __ • It should be recollected that though," and consistently with the interests i! eri in s uk/r e ', l [ N ii,N c i ole 'S a matter of very little moment to Hol- member, however, was entirely suss eel} soaL a ns itrip 4 ,9 , e s l hi ,,was death to the national independence of ressure of the embargo was excins" eiri to iff ii j•i ! e Ura z J e ilos a .v a '", therefore, in which the latter resisted ry. He (Lord Palmerston) did not mean t 0 vikt_ of ti !ly ft it f or v ! .. 0 ,1ie of patriotism; that in which the for ing interest, which was engaged in the e o,.. oo tr 4 eati,"`ear),„..,llr. of of petty commercial necessarily suffer some incouvenitmLe'; t hat 114 cc, ' pinit, indeed, somewhat akin to the cha- e present state of things; but he . s.ll san othe. o I ,ktio si 'Nsthi o lel of trade was closed againstour ship ..w i n s t, „ e s _ ie at „ of t h e bo na fault, and hesitates dislike," . The hon. member was aware, th,tu ite dP,Mblil 4 t,fO rm ) t tit - member against France. (Loud cries nstanees, the Baltic trade was very ilf t ' os iotiraalfo, l'sall." l .epe o , l 'e„bon. member would fail in his amiable ice circumstances were removed, an c i ' ieh w oo w sei,' ral o 4 j eoli g h te e n ot both France and England were now too t naturally be anticipated this year, w e u ni h e r, 10 sca°' ti s lltl o e s and aat e .d to be influenced by unworthy commer ieut to the shipping. The hon. 1 13 tint of a f ii , l o,„P_Pres s i re Pool antipathies, which only led to bloody tated his case. He estimated the rune t i o ttall aw eS, I. R. py 4 n d h ,... ourdens, that marred and checked their and British manufactures exported !!), wo re o i f :1 9 7 lord si ,'L eoZ S Perity. (Cheers.) ;ry at about £4,600,000, which he salLi .alit y.. i lbL :In t o , 4 0 had justnot but admire the skill with which the utch vessels under the cover of neutroat 0 01: 00 ts o e t0..,[ addressed the house had avoided all it was evident that the embargo had ride al . f Sr.) Wire ill e ' n '.' l _'! question before it—namely, whether the and our shipping also. The reciPr , ide Sers,, toe' .. of hVesoirlisia principle and efficient in practice.— member for Worcester said, all on one a , ev e 7, gre„,„,_.)4. s rie ,, ,rd'S statement might be all correct, and 3, however, did.pressupon Holland,, he Il i' e 'is i at le tviis e ' whether 4 (Alderman Thompson) all wrong ; but he hon. member seen a petition wb'el tr hel lie s 1 00fr,e....,a5d wh _.t h he embaygo was an efficient instrument ; Majesty the King of the Nethelaa w ere f,' } ed i ', ll iip on a n w hether its beingr . .lischarged against Holland Amsterdam, in which the inconveniences..,,.o , r s o f P ~ t t(Q Was wh i ; seriously injure those who devised and :eel from the continuance of the en 11 3, 70 0 60 th at .'ete s ,„', aft er i „"Y Untouched by it (Hear.) The right [rth ? Without meaning to say . that ty," _ r t sal' t to Is i s !,ded to te th e s o l e e t ating; the animadversions of Mr. Baring, ber was founded upon an motives etn;, n or l e s Sta rt , , ass, .tor -General's "legitimacy" proposition, d himself avowed, he muststate, for 1 1 ,e . ": t he p i.o "01; le i,. he lit . is :" admitting he policy of the noble Foreign hopes were entertained in Holland pressure o f tf sto sl ~1 1' eass " politie t a ii nd expedient in principle, he yet thought try would be relieyed from the press!f ea sle,'l s t 'l lv r o as ..(IW arcis i, unnecessarily oppress British interests h they began to find to be far from agr a ` r a ie Ito , , i Njy l ileol lst i t (3 . attainment. He objected against the ons and motions to be brought fore' r oe , e 0 tieh,..4 aef6cien!ltional, he would say illegal, in principle, sr.) Until, therefore, he was better i r e ' ho o rc . T o .. ' 4 P , i t l elY, ti most . t 2 in practice. He also objected to it as cont he had been by the speech of t: ~.f c o . ...,, 0 i t h ~ at th_ !,!_angerous and unconstitutional . precedent I inue to believe that the measure. _ L . ' ,o 0 15 . 0: i ie i ! 411rit4Urown might at its mere will impose an operative upon Holland as some per'fi i i,sel:s 4 di te Ruse of thi s eentraeree. (Hear, hear.) As a check ased. Until the measures were accoT ere d !, Isis., k ( es sa g'ad that noblengerous exercise of the produce ,aid of which the government COns' refswoo!, -- e o , r iPo forin the lord had consented to produce :aid hold out no hopes that the erabarg o 4 o o 1 ge e t 4,: m not w at ,i, oo , for without that parliament—the only hon. member had criticised the inte c r i r rer ted o l, I r '' IA 4. ll tnen t co interfere. He could not conceive a put upon the order in council which a_ nave _ lO, t , . th, ~oagainst the embargo than the important ips having perishable cargoes. He w, : i i ,ii i f , 11 ) 0 4 , : lo yd , ''J i citor-General—namely, that the under daints existed upon that point, but to. q'o 5, 0 s o h e a l e p of the not responsible for ihe consequences to soilsle for the execution of the o rd . e i r lns pecti p ., , „of th a 'llieed ni embargo. Could any argunalat, he re it was necessary informto exercise some c 1 'cu t , 0 aP a, 1 s 'orei„,! e ba b a ore demonstrative of the injugM and im t, he would just the house tb a s s os e te lsti, ,ilt e e °,l See re rgO ?—(H,ear, hear.) But then, said the made for the discharge of the ship ,noseil bads, "itt , ..,;"l'olli tic ,` a rY, the same principle which would jus under the provisions of the order ill L o ber ot ter, . !e s of ottl ! i , o *Hand to accept our award by force—by Isle cargoes. (A laugh.) The hon. 't r i t ish a rio a; ; 11 1 .he l a :itig a li t rori justify us in attaining our object by :h ships were principally insured ' by t h a t stA:O O e t:411 0 ° lnati hostility. (Hear.) He denied the .posi id it not in his power to contradict jo u 00 r 4 i t. of t the () ens knew of no vacillating neuter, neither wed he was correct in stating,.that oi;Y„ tio ta s r e a c . ,ilg a hl'eat e a ,,!,r, state; it treated of, and recognized only, sh subjects against the detention an"' i s i o t 'i, o .fo tlf, t 'q h ad einb a gli War. He, therefore, denied the right of ; of his Majesty was an illegal transilc"_,,, fru;, o tb• .s e h e het even attain unless in a state of declared war; and as in principle of the constitution. (.. I-le%ios; bulb , 7 t .4 ° lt eoi ed ' t ejl attempted any injury against British Hon. members cheered that o bserv° o ol3 o o i s er '1 , e ‘ ,ltig t Pla ti 0 1 right of such coercive means of carrying ate to assert that if his Majesty, acting to the i l l ec .te t i'l " etheee genet negotiation. He did not raise a question esponsible advisers, subject of course ur of r A. t . ar l i tal l d s ;al policy of our interference in the affairs ho ne t se I r t. Otte tike cofined h . lf h' • t' ' fr ant s thought it necessary for the , os o , r o e we ,h, h % ml _ imse to t e injus ice, me 1- : recourse to hostile operations agonise'. an d to . , 0 , ~ a i li , 011. ay. _ attonal character of the embargo. Indeed, al for any British subject to interpos ." o ll i a . i sk er si a T a rra 7noer who opened the debate, nor those who the subJects of that state. The f o rnt . l , ° tise w buol eke, Vil e errl ig i ned the noble lord's foreign policy while eome under the consideration of the °t a b o o, ! eo t ' i'vhi rh r ld th at :'argo as seriously detrimental to British pportunity of offering further explan„ fir eo i :tl/ ) ,„,„ otily could, while it had not the effect upon the stance occur to render it desirable ; 11 " j ai ,„4,1 • cit q,, s . justify its adoption. There was one ssary for him to say more. re owl', l io 7 4 0 ,^e to he 'lon connected with this embargo to which r. LYALL said that it was impossible tn c0u0.1.0. Ati. nd to e cat satisfactory answer—namely, whether en out of employment by the embarg°losor . 1 0 - d i i sai' li t i,Fith t 3 i ntlyte it to an indefinite period in virtue of tin any other direction. The hon. 111 : t i t io0 00 , ,P.ie, a ,,l_lars to Z . French government (Hear.) It would Ln a low tone of voice, to refer to aP f t t oou ti a i ,:t f or g i ! i tsh ieh inu that an embargo so unconstitutional in :rstood) had been drawn up in the city ? n os, to io "t a of 'illeh i t 7° ll s in practice, and so inefficient for the signed by the most wealthy, respeel' ees eet. r se tio ";ll oa ,..a . e sav 'as. designed, should be continued in con :hauts, against the embargo. With r l . s t 1 ! i lk ' oth, af ar tirs ention with France. (Hear, hear.) He loctrine of the noble lord would be cs/ cre soli or k i ,Lea3l,i_gs(l4,such was not the case, that the noble lord of war • but he understood that we ss „ o bi' (o to s : 11 ' th a T ante BO great an absurdity—to use the mildest fear.) 'ln spite of the sneers of the I :,,tliP t ias , , . t he L L thi s jilt() such a dishonourable convention. At set p feeling a sort of compassionate sy . lny s iaerS oe 'S i ) t ;al: deei".sOloschievously inoperative embargo was bu ll was impossible to allow mere 034 eo llec . P o ste i 'Ltal h° te /ah r,,r, e l, that it would defeat instead of forward ::ial interest altogether to efface the ni tw i t we t ot • laea tr ie 7 e ,S l by it. He maintained the same opinion connexion with that country—of ho ling of ' t ose f , i ts e hetk stat '°_,re it would terminate within its original :e collateral ancestors of the present , to Ni' po ve la of wa ell, and would repeat, that an embargo was rmination of that monarch appeared ~,be 104 i oqllls,ie_r, which could not, from its very nature, :ulties of his situation. The conduct oi .e ` so rr oo i:, i ' i lirC p4 4 .. ( T - preserving negotiation. The noble' Pay. buy reminded him of that of his prede . so f ii',g 0 1 , 31 4 ranee t : ~lad been rather Critical upon the observa who, when he was pressed by . the forces b e .sir lA i i, i "1 .1 4 as _"' ranee of the hou. member for Essex, cha , and by this country by sea, his territo a _bo , s ,, i 5,,,, at9 f,, 11 ,1 sat „a characteristic—. ly inundated, replied to the English w M ;,,; ,a 11 0 1i; eQ,estlre:nts a fault and hesitates dislike" that his country would be ruined, " I •• the 1 e ttle i Ni a l 'i rare ( Bear. He would answer the noble lord seing my country ruined by perishing I.l„litikog or"` , ws i i on _e_nce to the policy of the noble lord's col itted, however, that the cases were 1 1 °` s o" 'lll it t, 'ind, that other line of the couplet:.- 3 Vl O , '44 6 ‘ 6 wound, and yet afraid to strike."' he Sotaerroa-GEsenaL begged .0 .. wr s s , r e, , k sa e e Co _ (" Hear," and a laugh.) ttion of the liability of English unt' d s ato,. o ill",: d t`..lk(l4,Net. ' Th eir policy was au illustration ot these t the hon. meruber who spoke last 4 ..n 0, li! o ft , ' ;cis ti other effe ct embargo was a telem imbelle, sine ictu, pathy which he felt for thel e ' . 7 o , o th i v ri a . ,' r lJa pai e i p art ~,, than rousing a spirit of indomitable re e, that when Holland attracted s . V e at t i be hc ii he ar t . ';les of uithe Dutch, and enlisting on theii side the nailer times, her conduct was very di' heo `` t yi s l) (!'-.............. A iid t oe commercial population of England. was at present pursuing. She was t, ~t 50..„ 3 6;,, , h ot ti „,.. ,`, l ',4s —and it ever should be— exerting herself against tyranny, ii,u ie gitolo ti' i i A () 0 ;;"Id g the ..e.ven-handed Justice Lelfunder governments which supportetcf doe; ,‘„, k t , t. ow n ii esll,l,gredients of our poison'd chalice s the opposition.) He spoke ot leg" is sica i sti , shAe "r la t :, — (Cheers.) sh it was used by the Holy Alliance , ,, r o..lo; ,tel k ae'ver tiote ki be rose in consequence of the appeal n liberal institutions all over the w`.4 e also a f ei" ; 1 ; 1 4 ( !ilt V e ntre a. , ,nt by the honourable baronet. The mo -1 the same quarter.) The King of hilesoVescl „, 0f „ r satt. ea the conduct of the King of the Nether self to bring those whom he called liiirotr,),,e `[tire he je et Kr .. ° ) f opinion. All he could say was, that en his dominion, and under those ci rca , o r, p ea by P 1 1 1 ep h l edgi n 1 1 andS had never given his consent to any _Os , ' erl y sle ne • g the s •of Belgiumand it the sympathy of Englishmen. _ as ; , e a; 0 i , f ar xu,a with eparation tr. BARING said that the sentiments i l in j t 1 , 0 0 4 1 e ar. , th e in ,,_ such conditions as would render it gentleman were quite novel, an", c of l' e the ~ d At t ! It ~,,,.‘TendellCC of Belgium to be maintained. : p iails - reserved for the reformed 1-1011,k o f Ls! NI + ma is ain : , _s . or the house, then, to consider whether ;ulaily incongruous to hear a law 0 1 1 ta r pai tre s4 :14: th e , r `! . 'n the existing embargo, with a view to nee an attachment to legitimacy, ar ete the r, yl)l . . v t ls tat ; of ai l' e 'le,nt state of things. No man could doubt for persecution, fur so lie must desits u i Ile% P ly k ll i . 5 ; bu t s 'rargo must be injurious to the commerce King of Holland had experienced., a ` c i e e ', 4 1 . , 1! Q ti at i s reibl e u jnust every act be which partook in any ture to offer advice to one who sold o ais ilv a d , e , li i s, wh ouai character, ob. the )purpose ot which was to augh)—he would recommend the hob f law , a jit!'o lit gett e et her i t J : e l.The question for the house to con onfine himself in future to questions °, lsk or',,si ,i i ,!I ti b,r_al poli. ,_ ° o uld be desirable, taking into considera h extraordiriary opinions on policy i i 3 O , s ell' es !" !es t r_go ; , r ' 3 ' . __, f the country, to put an end to the es would not have been Liam Odin that , " ol i i ltr i re f . , ' • , "der'qtpersevewrneether it would not be referable for the stitutional principles were quite as I : it i ts ev_ e st i Po ,the C lie ° secure in the course they bad hitherto adopt sentmoment, without being visited ' „Id O v a a r , are, h ear. and maintain the general peace of s noble lord said that if anybody w e e T io chle e res et s .j• riiarded it) He admitted the embargo to be an y would see how beautifully he had I sat I . s th b o ; v i lear, a s a much less evil than a war on the is. The subject was a very dry on e ' o sJ Y e 0, 4 0 tit,tte e Ofd interfere) The question then, was, whether ong as he could keep his eyes opeo , , tat , th se tir , it k litle ,_llsaei,interference o remove the embargo, when the ['sent as much at a loss to ltnow ' iv pero they ) . 4 3 e estio,,._n must be to _prevent the settle cing at as he was before he began t o of .e iv ,i 'i t i ,,l t i, o s s w "J, II , leer dispute, and, indeed, to put them re could understand the present sta , " .o v oO t h , ro s 11 ' 41 h e w e _ IQ ptt " t l l.. l . ad to war on the continent ? (Hear, he King of Holland said that the by, k it t ar n Si O r t tent of a " to the house whether it would be pos need the mediation, he would not sal t - 0000. f I (i i q is vi e government breaking out between Holland and y two of the five, the others having : v. ,' to yell,[, ‘ttilt.) lew— the haelit to effect that which they had al non because force had been apPo e , the i svl o le 4. , 0,,, ti e was preservation of the peace of Europe? ushers aware of the mighty object fol, t c 1 4 ' tic t ioo th th e eo er4r neut to most ready to allow that it was the l commerce was thus paralyzed, 4 " 1 , Ol i v et I s ~ Rig d r !lntrs, b ut take every step to relieve the com pute was, whether Holland should . "• e iii si,... sl i ‘.4 , a t re w et , to the he contended that the government ording to the usage of centuries, of ,L' ail tie av: ts , Rail t o th " e ", adoption of coercive measures, could .Ider ?—(llear.) He fedied that in o f ': it tet e ; l ;' nonour of the country, do otherwise s, after all, but a puppet in the hall t he.!,,til ) ),e, lornaey, who so skilfully represente 4to bo s ., e l, lw, he was as ardent an advocate for b ' oto e iv o r ions with France as any man in the s olo, o ril os the s , npromise the honour nor oppre , fro a ' that desirable object.—(" Hear, THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD than persevere in these measures until they had obtained their object. (Heat, hear.) Mr. Alderman THOMPSON agreed to withdraw his motion. AFFAIRS OF THE EAST. Mr. Husix rose to ask a question of Lord Palmerston. He conceived that it was doubtful whether the policy which Great Britain had pursued with regard to Turkey had not been detrimental to her real interests. There was in it an apparent want of judgment, and a realmismanagement, for which it was difficult, if not impossible, to account. If there was any thing more than another against which the house was anxious to guard, it was against the occurrence of war in Europe, and against the giving to Russia that preponderance in the east which she had now obtained by the mismanagement of the British government. The question on which he now sought to obtain public information was this—why at the hour of need, when a British force might have been of use, had the capital of Turkey been deserted? why had there been no ambassador of England there ? and why had there been no fleet in the Darda nelles,_ to give efficacy to the remonstrances which he might have had occasion to make ? Whilst we were publicly avowing that we concurred with France in her desire to maintain peace, it was strange that we should leave the ministers of France to resist by themselves the importunities of the Russian embassy to obtain for their master military possession of Constantinople. The question which he wisyd to put to the noble lord was, had we any ambassador at Constantinople at present, or had we not ? He held at that moment a report in his hand, which showed that for the 14 years immediately preceding the year 1830 the diplomacy of the country had cost us annually from £300,000 to £400,000 a-year. He had been told over and over again that this was necessary to guard our interests abroad; but now, when Constantinople was in danger of falling into the hand of the victorious Egyptians, there was no British diplo matist resident in Constantinople, to support or assist the remonstrances of the French embassy. He would again repeat his question—" Who is the ambassador irons the Court of England to the Porte? and if there is any second person, why is not he at his post?" His object was to have an answer to that question; and in order to do so, he should move that there be laid upon the table of the house the number of all persons appointed as ambassadors, or as ministers plenipotentanes, or as secretaries of embassy to Constantinople since January, 1827, stating the dates of their appointments, and the amount of their salaries; stating, also, how long each of them had resided in Turkey since his appointment to his office. He should not press this motion to a division, all he wanted was to give the noble lord an opportunity of making a satisfactory explanation upon these points to the house and to the country. Lord PALMERSTON said, that he had no objection to grant the return for which the hon member for Middlesex had moved. He could tell the hon. member, however, without waiting for that return, that Sir R. Gordon, who was ambassador to the Porte at the period first mentioned in the return, had returned home early in last year; that Sir Stratford Canning, who was to have succeeded him, had been sent on an important mission, which it was for the interest of Great Britain to have arranged as speedily as possible; and that Lord Ponsonby, who had suc ceeded him, had been sent out to Constantinople, was now. there, and would have been there sooner had it not been for some difficulty which had arisen as to the means of transport. There had been, however, during all that period at Constanti nople a secretary . of embassy who had acted with great judg ment and discretion, and whose conduct had 'met the entire ap probation of the government at home. He could not help say ing that he (Lord Palmerston) stood at that moment in a posi tion unusual for a member of any cabinet; for, after having been exposed to the lash of the hon. member for Essex, for his perpetual iutermeddling with the affairs of other states, after hav ing been visited with his castigation for mediating in one place, and for arbitration in another, he was now exposed to the shafts of the hon. member for Middlesex, who thought that he had not interfered sufficiently iu the affairs of Turkey. There was, it was true, some slight difference in the two charges brought against him. His Majesty's government was blamed, in one of them, in interfering in matters at their own doors, which in volved in them the safety of the empire, and was blamed, in the other, for not interfering in matters which occurred at the other extremity of Europe, which, however important they might be, it was not possible to say were so important to us as the affairs of Holland. He assured the house that the government had not been inattentive to the events which had occurred in Asia, or he should rather say in the east of Europe. Those events had received the most anxious attention of the cabinet, and this country, it would appear hereafter, had not been wanting in taking steps to ward against the danger which those events-me naced. Whenever the government should be at liberty_to enter s into the cessary explanation of the steps which it hageaken, in cone *th its allies, he was certain that the house would be of opinion t at it had not been unmindful of the duty which it .1 owed to the coun t rof the character which that country enjoyed among s at large. After a few wor * n Mr. H. Davies and Mr. 11. L. Bul wer, Mr. Hume consented to withdraw his amendment; but in doing so observed that the explanation of the noble lord was by no means satisfactory. THE BANK AND THE EAST INDIA COMPANY. Mr. BARING.,-1 wish to put a question to the noble lord, which I think it important that we should have answered. We are now in the middle of the month of May; we know that the charters of the two great chartered companies, the Bank of England and the East India Company, will soon stand in need of renewal; and yet we have received no notice of the period when, or on the terms upon which they are to be renewed. The house will recollect that, when a question was put on a former occasion to the noble lord on this subject, the noble lord stated that it was his intention to bring one, if not both, of these ques tions under our consideration before the Easter holydays. Now, - the Easter holydays are passed, and the middle of May has ar rived. I trust, therefore, that I may now be permitted to ask when are we to have the new charters for the Bank and for the East India Company submitted to our consideration? Lord AuTtione.=-I hope that I shall be able to brimg the subject of the Bank charter under the consideration of the house either at the end of next week or at the beginning of the week ensuing. I cannot speak so definitely as regards the charter of the East India Company, for the hon. member knows as well as I do the existing , state of the negotiations pending between the government and the East India Company. The Speaker then left the chair, and the house resolved itself into a committee of supply. Mr. ELLICE proposed that there be granted to His Majesty a sum of not less than £110,835 15s. sd. to defray the pay of general staff officers and officers of the hospitals in Great 13r4. l i tain and Ireland, from the Ist of April, 1833, to the 31st of March, 183.4, both days inclusive. This grant was voted. On the question that £94,627. 13s. 7d. be granted to his Majesty to defray the charge of the allowances to the principal: officers of the several public denartments for 365 days, from the in clusive, Mr. of April, 1833, to the 31st of March, 1834, both Mr. HusiE objected to the multiplicity of these offices, which he said provided check upon check, until the check at length ended in nothing. He complained especially of the inefficient state of the . pay-office, and regretted that the paymaster was al lowed to exist for a single day longer, (laughter ;) that was, as a. paymaster. (Laughter continued.) He thought that the paymaster, who introduced reform, should have shown his at -tajlimeut to the principle of it by reforming his office, if not by reducing it altogether. Lord J. RUSSELL argued that the offices objected to were useful for expediting the payment of the troops. The honour able member for Dundee had suggested that the payments might with great propriety be made at the Bank of England. But, as the system was now established, the paymaster's office afforded an efficient check to the subordinate departments. Payments might, however, be made by the Bank of England, by an order from the Secretary of State's office. He admitted that improvements might be made in the system, and govern ment were very willing to exert themselves to effect that object. They had already made an alteration with reference to the de. putvaymaster. To do away with the paymasters altogether would not be a measure of economy, but would be positively at tended with additional expense. The resolution was agreed to. The following sums were voted without discussion :—£17,500 for Exchequer fees, £119,000 for pay of general officers in his Majesty's forces, not being colonels of regiments, from Ist of April, 1833, to 31st of:March, 1834. On the resolution granting £86,000 for full pay for reduced and retired officers for the like period, Mr. HOME asked whether government had adopted any . regu lation respecting-promotions and filling up vacant commissions from the retired list? Mr. ELLICE could only promise his best attention to the sub ject. His hon. friend knew that he (Mr. Ellice) was of opinion that promotions should not be allowed to proceed too rapidly without reference to the class of officers in question; and he could assure the hon. member that there was every disposition in his Majesty's government to be as economical as possible. The following sums were then voted : £632,000 for half-pav and military allowances to reduced and retired officers of his Majesty's land forces. £86,480 for half-pay and reduced allowances to officers of disbanded foreign corps, for pensions to wounded foreign offi cers, and for allowances to the widows and children of deceased foreign officers. '1,145,444 for pensions to widows and officers of the land forces. £170,516 for pensions on the compassionate list. £1,211,746 for Chelsea and Kilmainhatu Hospitals. £51,374 for allowances, compensations, and emoluments, in the nature of superannuations and retired allowances. £12,500 for Exchequer fees, for issues, and for non-effectives. The chairman then reported progress, and obtained leave to sit again on Monday. The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and the house adjourned at half-past one o'clock till Monday. LOSS OF THE HIBERNIA. We (Kilkenny Journal) have received the following interesting letter of the melancholy loss of the Hibernia, Brand master, from Liverpool to New South Wales, which was burnt on her voyage out. We have read the accounts which have been published by the agent at Lloyd's, as well as a letter to Mr. Derbyshire, the deputy constable at Salford, from his son, at present in South America, but neither of them goes into the detail of the melancholy event so circumstantially as the writer of the letter which we now subjoin. It is written by Anthony Fraile, a private in the 21st regiment Scotch Fusileers, No. 67, (which was stationed here some time ago,) who was on board the convict ship Lotus, which fell in with the two boats full of those passengers who were saved.— The following is the letter to which we allude : Male Convict Ship, Lotus Rio de Janeiro, S. A., Feb. 21. DEAR Slll,—l take the opportunity of transmitting to you a subject which, if you consider it of any importance to you, will give me the greatest pleasure to be the organ of communica tion ; being one of the troops on board the above named ship, a greater part of the circumstance has come within my own knowledge from sources of incontrovertible facts, viz., ocular demonstration, and facts related by the sufferers. On the llth of February. at 3, a.m., a small sail appeared in sight, to wind ward of us, we being in latitude 7-42 south, and longitude 27- 17 west bearing, and, upon minutely observing, found them to be two boats crowded with persons apparently distressed, and considering them to be the crew and passengers of some wreck, we immediately lowered our sails and lay to, to relieve them from their perilous situation. As they neared us we could per ceive their distress the more, as they appeared to be in two open boats, namely, the long-boat and gig, the former having the latter in tow;lJeing jury rigged with a steersail, boom, and an oar fished together to strengthen as well as to lengthen the same ; a tarpaulin, with a bed-tick attached to it, to make a sail, and a top gallant studding sail to make the other. When our ship hoisted the red ensign, to let them know we were an English vessel, and lay to to afford them assistance, they answered our signs by hoisting one of the seamen's red shirts as a signal of distress, and in the course of about three hours, namely, about six p.m. came alongside, and were hailed by our captain, and replied they were a part of the crew and passengers belonging to the Hibernia, a fine American built ship, of 452 tons, from Liverpool, bound for New South Wales and Van Dieman's Land, with emigrants, which port she left on the 6th December, 1832, the greater part of which were pensioners and their families. The information conveyed to us by the sufferers was as follows :—On the sth of February, (being in latitude 5 south, and long. 20west,) Mr. Geddes, second mate, who likewise acted as steward, went into the spirit-rpom, which was immediately under the cabin, accompanied by a lad with a lighted candle in his hand; not !lying taken the precaution to have a lantern, while in the act of drawing off some rum in a bucket, to serve out to the passengers and crew, being upwards of 230 in num ber, the snuff of the candle communicated with the spirits, which immediately ignited, he having endeavoured to suppress the flame by s immergne the blaze, and, in his confusion and anxiety to suppress the' flames, a portion of which communi cated to some tow or oakum which lay on the spirit room floor, it immediately caught the flames and was so rapid in its pro gress as to bid defiance to his exertions and those of the lad his assistant, communicating with some casks of tar and pitch which were contiguous. The immediate assistance of the cap tain and crew, together with the passengers, was promptly afforded, and water communicated through the coppers on both sides of the ship to arrest its progress, but to no effect; the de vouring_element became so general that it extended fore and aft, and baffled all hopes of its suppression. It then became neces sary to hold a consultation, and the conclusion was to abandon the ship, which was immediately attended to, the long boat and gig having been hoisted out, and the pinnace lowered, an effort was made with difficulty to obtain some water and pro visions, which after si • ' d a great deal of danger, was accomplished ; the , except a mere trifle, namely, about three quarts o sea damaged biscuit, .a quan tity of spirits, three s ive, and some portable soup, was placed in the pin boat was nearest at the time to receive them, the abov. i provisions being all the long boat and gig contained. 'I ptain a Mr. William Brand, and sixty two of the crew and passengers lowered themselves into the boat - , and gig. Amongst the number was the second mate, Mr. Geddes, and the boat-swain; the second mate was so dreadfully burned as to render him incapable of affording any assistance, his life being in imminent danger. Mr. Henry Taylor, first mate, took possession of the pinnace which contained their water and provisions, with sixteen others of the crew and passengers, Captain Brand luckily having a quadrant and chronometer in the long boat previous to their departure from the wreck, which was burned to the water's edge, the three masts having fallen over the side, and they perceived the remaining sufferers endeavouring to make a raft for their escape, and had the mortification to witness the doctor suspended from a rope, surrounded by four interesting young female sisters, clinging round him, who were precipitated into the sea, and no doubt have perished. These females were the Misses Meaders from Dublin, who had been sent out by the Bigot-street society, and many others perished previous to their - departure. They, in the evening, set sail, and kept in company for sonic time, until a breeze freshened up, which left the long boat and gig behind, the pinnace making more way than those in the long boat possibly could. Contrary to every remonstrance, Mr. Tay lor left them and would not divide the provisions. Those in the long boat bore away for Pernambuco, Brazils, S A., it being the nearest port at the time, and where all determined to make if possible. The long boat being so leaky as to cause the men to divide into watches of eight men in each watch, to keep constantly bailing night and day, to keep her from sinking, which, with all their exertions, they could scarcely accomplish, from the extremely exhausted state of the men for want of water and provisions, being several days and nights at sea. On the sixth day two of the . pigs were killed, and the blood saved, one ounce of which, with one ounce of salt water, was the only drink given to each person; one ounce of the damaged biscuit, and the same quantity of portable soup, with a small slice of the raw pork,was each person's allowance for that day. One of the male passengers died on the night of the Ist February. On the morning of the seventh day at sea, being Monday, the 11th February, a general murmur prevailed amongst the pas sengers, male and female, in consequence of the provisions being nearly expended, except a small quantity of spirits, and one live pig, having consumed the last of the raw pork; but to their unspeakable joy, about halfpast one, p. in., they saw a ship, and making towards her, between fear and ope, found that she had espied them, and having hoisted her colours lay to to wait for them. Sir, thus far have I given you the particulars as far as re spects the information I could collect, and I shall now offer a few remarks on the subject. When the passengers were re ceived on board the Lotus, their appearance generally indi cated that. they had undergone extreme fatigue and distress, and their more immediate wants being relieved by administer ing the necessary comfoits to alleviate their thirst, which ap peared to be the most prominent want they needed, and others being supplied with food, they began perceptibly to resume their former cheerful countenances, and dispel the gloom which had so manifestly pervaded their visages. A. survey of the boats was taken previous to their being admitted on board our ship, and the conclusion was, that the long boat was so dilapidated and unseaworthy as to be immediately condemned, and in a few hours after she sunk, the gig being sent adrift. We proceeded to Rio Janeiro, and placed the sufferers under the protection of the British Consul who, no doubt, will afford them every assist ance, and forward them to their destination. The number is fourteen females and forty-six males. My object in sending you this information is the expectation of its being acceptable to you, and all our men being anxious that you shall have the first information, being connected with the engine of publicity. I shall take it as a favour if you will have the goodness to in form my wife, if she should call, of the circumstance, and that I am well in health, as I hope you all are. I shall here conclude with my best respects, and remain your most obedient and very humble servant, ANTHONY FRAILE. To Mr. Maxwell, Kilkenny Journal. p.S.—Since writing the above, the pinnace, and the seventeen sufferers were picked up at sea, and brought into this harbour, and I am happy to say a spirited subscription has been entered into to remunerate the sufferers. ADDITIONAL PARTICULARS. Extract of a letter from a gentleman of Bristol, dated Rio Jaueiro, 26th February, 1833:—" The long-boat contained 52 souls, the gig 11, and the pinnace 17 ; about 30 mote got on a raft, but have not since been heard of. The boats lingered near the ship till about eight in the 'evening, when she was burned to the water's . edge, and several of the wretched passengers were s een still clinging to the bowsprit and the main chains, scorched and burnt, and invoking assistance by the most pitiable and heart-rending signs. But it was in vain; those in the long-boat could not, and those in the pinnace (on whose c on d uc t severe censures have been passed, but 1 will not undertake to say how justly) did not attempt to save any of them, although in the lat ter there was avowedly a great deal of luggage, &c., which might have been thrown overboard, and have made room for a perishing fellow-creature. Unfortunately there was a prevailing desire to secure luggage and property, which caused man y to jeopardize their own and their fellow-creatures' lives for . the sake of an old box or a bundle. The husband of one of the female passengers furnishes a singular illustration of this mania; the wife had secured a place in the long-boat, and her husband was seated by her side, when suddenly a child was thrown front the deck and fell on her leg, the pain caused by the contusion of which was so great that she fainted. On recovering, she missed her husband, and seeing that the boat had pushed off from the vessel, she inquired, in great alarm, what had become of him. "Oh!" said another, "he is gone on board to look for a bundle !" The deck at that moment fell in, and he most pro bably perished in the flames. Those in the longboat and gig were picked up (after six days and nights of suffering,) by the Lotus convict ship, and those in the pinnace by the brig Isa bella, from Guernse y.—Bristol Journal. SLAVE EMANCIPATION. The following is the government plan :—lt is proposed— I. That every slave, upon the passing of this act, should be .at liberty to claim, before the protector of slaves, custos of the pa rish, or such other officer as shall be named by his Majesty for that purpose, to be registered as an apprenticed labourer. IL That the terms of such apprenticeship should be -Ist. That the power of corporal punishment should be alto gether taken.from the master, and transferred to the magistrate. 2nd. That in consideration of food and clothing, and such al lowances as are now made by law to the slave, the labourer should work for his master three-fourths of his time, leaving i% to be settled by contract whether for three-fourths of the week or of each day. 3rd. That the labourer should have a right to claim employ ment of his master for the remaining one-fourth of his time, ac cording to a fixed scale of wages. .Ith.l'hat during such one-fourth of his time the labourer should be at liberty to employ himself elsewhere. sth. That the master should fix a price upon the labourer at the time of his apprenticeship. 6th. That the wages to be paid by the master should bear such a proportion to the price fixed by him, that for the whole of his spare time, if given to the master, the negro should re ceive 1-12th of his price annually ; and in proportion for each lesser term. 7th. That every negro, on becoming an apprentice, shall be entitled to a money-payment weekly, in lieu of food and cloth ing, should he prefer it, the amount to be fixed by, a magistrate with reference to the actual cost of the legal provision. Bth. 'rat every apprenticed labourer be Wound to pay a por tion, to be fixed, of his wages, half-yearly, to an officer to be appointed by his Majesty. 9th. That in default of such payment the master he liable, and, in return, may exact an equivalent amount of labour with out paymen't in the succeeding half-year. 10th. That every apprenticed negro, on payment of the price fixed by his master, or such portion of it as may from time to time remain due, be absolutely free. 11th. That every such apprentice may borrow the sum so re quired, and bind himself, by contract before a magistrate, for a limited period, as an apprenticed labourer to the lender. 111. That a loan to the amount of £15,000,000 sterling be granted to the proprietors of West Indian estates and slaves, on such security as may be approved by commissioners appointed by the Lords Commissioners of his Majesty's treasury. IV. That such loan be distributed among the different colo nies, in a ratio compounded of the number of slaves, and the amount of exports. V. That the half-yearly payments hereinbefore authorized to be made by the apprenticed neeroes be taken in liquidation of so much of the debt contracted by the planter to the public. VI. That all children who at ttie time of the passing of this act shall be under the age of six years be free, and be main tained by their respective parents. VII. 'That in failure of such maintenance they be deemed apprentices to the master of the parents (without receiving wages,) the males till the age of 24, the females to the age of 20, at which periods respectively they and their children, if any, shall be absolutely free. VIII. That this act shall not prevent his Majesty from as senting to such acts as may be passed by the colonial legisla tures for the promotion of industry or the prevention of va grancy, applicable to all classes of the community. IX. That upon the recommendation of the local legislatures, his Majesty will be prepared to recommend to Parliament, out of the revenues of this country, to grant such aid as may be deemed necessary for the due support of the administration of justice, of an efficient police establishment, and of a general system of religious and moral education. SOAP TAX. 19, Dowding-street, May 7, 1833. Mr. Ewing presents his compliments to the editor of the Glasgow Herald, and, understanding that great inconvenience is at present experienced by the soap trade, from want of re quisite information as to the time and mode of the contemplated reduction of duty, he yesterday applied at the Treasury, and re ceived last night, in the House of Commons, from Mr. Spring Rice, the following memorandum:— " The duty and drawback on soap to be reduced one-halt, on the Ist of June. " Soap manufacturers to be allowed to warehouse the whole of any making of soap cleansed subsequent to the 6th of May, upon giving notice to the surveyor of excise of their intention so to do at the same time as the notice for cleansing. " Proper places to be entered for warehousing, and the soap so warehoused to be placed under the survey of the excise. " The present duty to be charged on all soap cleansed be fore the Ist of June; and the difference of duty . on the ware housed soap to be allowed to the manufacturers in the next ac count. " No allowance, in charging the duty, to be made on the soap warehoused. AVIII,GGERY V. SHIPPING AND COMMERCE.—A valued correspondent of Sunderland writes us to the following effect :—" I wrote you last November on the subject of the Dutch embargo, when I hazarded some speculations respecting the effect that very wise whig measure was likely to produce upon the trade of Sunderland, and which opinions you published. I observe my friend, Al derman Thompson, has moved for certain returns con nected with this subject, which has induced me to seek for official information, and the following is extracted from the transactions of our Custom-house :—" From Ja nuary 1, 1832, to Nov. 6, (the day on which the embargo began to operate.) In a period of ten months, 321 Bri tish vessels, registering 54,861 tons, and 58 foreign yes, sell, registering 5,486 tons—total, 379 vessels, register ing 60,347 tons, cleared from Sunderland to Holland. 7-- From the said 6th November, 1832, to the, 30th April, 1833, 7 vessels, of course all foreign, registering 699 tons, (in a period of 6 months,) have cleared from Sunderland to Holland." Oh, whiggery, whiggery, what hast thou, done for Sunderland ! In looking at this question in a local point, calculating each 12 register tons to carry a keel of coals, these vessels took from us upwards of 5000 keels. The keel dues and casting, which go entirely into the hands of the labouring class, upon this quantity of coals, would have been nearly £lO,OOO. Can the poor feel grateful to our whig rulers ? Each of these 379 ves sels, in beef, bread, and other stores, would expend £5O : thus nearly £2,000 is kept out of circulation amongst the tradesmen of the place ; therefore can you wonder that they disregarded the mandate of my Lord Durham • re turn Barclay for Sunderland.' These vessels chiefly car ried small coals, and, for want of this trade, the coals are laid at the pits' mouth to be consumed there. Each keel gives a profit of £2 to the coal owner, consequently they lose £lOOO by the embargo. Therefore by this stupid measure the town of Sunderland is deprived of the circu lation of £40,000, the poor a profit of £lO,OOO, and the coal owner a profit of £lO,OOO more; whilst the duty, which is 2s. per ton, would have amounted to upwards of £lO,OOO more. To punish the Dutch King for an ima ginary crime, Sunderland alone suffers to the extent of £40,000, and the country to the extent of £lO,OOO. Very ridiculous policy, you must admit. We are now begin. ning to awaken, and feel somewhat alarmed, and talk of embodying these facts in a petition to be laid before the honourable house."—Cizrlisle Patriot.