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ANOTHER " MYSTERIOUS AFFAIR,'.; ,WIND SOR PALACE. • . (From the Morning Herald of Tuesday) WINDSOR, Monday Evening, 11 o'clock. An " extraordinary affair" occurred at the castle last evening, the particulars of which (as far as the attempted veil of mystery in which it is involved will permit me to gather them) I have just been enabled to obtain. They are as follow : Shortly after four o'clock, yesterday afternoon, a post chaise and four drove up to the castle at a rapid rate, from which alighted a gentleman, who, from his dress and general appearance, was supposed to be a foreigner. He was en veloped in a travelling-cloak, wearing a foraging-cap, with a large fur boa around his neck, and a pair of foreign fur gloves to preserve his digits from the inclemency of the weather. Upon alighting froin the chaise,• its Occupant, on entering the castle, demanded to be instantly introdUced to the Queen, having, as he stated to the attendants, some most important letters and papers to deliver to her Majesty from Germany, and that he would deliver them into no other hands than the Queen's. A notification to this effect was immediately trans mitted to the Queen, who was at that time with the Duchess of Kent, Lord Melbourne, and several of the members of the household: Her Majesty, however, declined to grant" the honour of an interview" to the " stranger," but forthwith despatched the Hen. H. C. Murray, the mister of the house hold, who conveyed the bearer of the despatches her Ma jesty's commands that the letters and papers he might have for the Queen should be delivered to the Hon. Mr. Murray. This he peremptorily refused to do, and treated the royal man date with the most sovereign contempt. Mr. Murray having returned to her Majesty and " reported progress," Lieut.- Colonel the Hon. C. Grey, the equerry in waiting, was then commanded by her Majesty to proceed to the " stranger" (who was at this time in the room of Mr. Walker, the gentle man porter), and demand, in the name of the Queen, that if he were the bearer of any despatches to her Majesty, he would immediately deliver theta up, and that he (the Hon. Colonel Grey? had tho Queen's authority to receive them on her Ma jesty s behalf. The " stranger" remained obdurate, and still • persisted in his refusal to part with the documents, unless the Queen sent to him an itatograph letter, giving him autho rity to part with thous to the person whom her Majesty might command to be intrusted with them. This, I need scarcely observe, the Queen dacting under the advice of the Premier, , who was at- her :Majesty's elbow) beclined to do, and after some little further squabbling, and some additional negociations between some of the members of the royal household and the " stranger," he was very quietly taken off by Russell, the castle inspector of police, to the station house in.Chureli-street. and there placed in the custody of Mr. Gilman, the superintendent of the Windsor division of police, it appearing, as I presume, to the authorities at the castle, that the " stranger! was either a maniac, or some fellow in disguise, who had no rug good motive in seeking, by such extraordinary means, an audience of the Queen. When he arrived at the station-house, which was about six o'clock, and had seated himself at the fire, he told Mr. Gill man that so far from his being an impostor, he had the letters and papers, with which he had been intrusted for the Queen, in his pocket, and to prove this assertion, he took from his pocket, and showed the superintendent two or three news papers addressed to the Queen, upon which was stamped the foreign post mark. It may be here necessary to observe that, during the time he was at the castle, he refused (as I am informed) to show to any one the documents of which he was the bearer. Shortly after he had been domiciled at the station-house, Russell, one of the inspectors of police attached to the castle, and the other castle policeman, arrived there, but he still refused to deliver up the papers. He then asked for pen, ink, and paper, which being. provided him, be wrote a letter to Lord Melbourne, - which was immediately trans mitted to his lordship, and, shortly afterwards, the noble viscount's secretary arrived at the station-house with an authority from the Premier, to deliver into the hands of the bearer any despatches he might have for her Majesty. This " authority," however, he did not consider " quite correct," for he still refused to give out of his possession, unless the Queen wrote to him herself, the papers he had for her. He said he could not, consistently with the oath he had taken, which he had most solemnly swore to, deliver the letters and papers to any one, save to her Majesty herself, or to some one whom the Queen might appoint, in her own handwriting, to receive them' Russell, the policeman, then returned to the castle for fur ther instructions. On his return from thence to the station house, it appearing that the "stranger" really possessed some letters, and other docume n t s a dd resse d t o h er M a j esty , h e told the bearer of them that his instructions were, that unless he chose to give them up quietly, he was to resort to other means to compel him to do so—means which would be extremely unpleasant to have recourse to.• Indeed, the in spector candidly told him that unless he consented to deliver them up be and the-other three police-officers present would compel him to do so by wresting them from him. The "stranger" still refusing to part with them, an attempt was made to force them from him. The " stranger " resisted to the last, but, like many a better general, being overpowered by superior numbers, he was at length defeated, In the drawer of the table which was upset, were a quantity of Con greve matches, and ever and anon, as the party rolled over them on the floor, (upon which they were distributed,) crack ! crack ! went the Congreves, thus heightening the ludicrous appearance and effect of the scene. Upon examining the letters and papers (which were immediately despatched to the castle) it was found that there were three letters (as I am in formed) addressed to the Queen, bearing the German post mark, and three or four newspapers similarly addressed. The letters, it is supposed, were from Prince Albert; but although this is a speculation, it is a surmise in which I msy, perhaps, fairly indulge. The lette - rs and papers having been procured, the next question was, what was to be done with the "stranger." Application as to what further steps were to be taken was then made to Lord Melbourne, who sent back instructions to tho superintendent of the Windsor police to detain the " stranger " in the station-house till the morning. At this period the hour of eight was fast approaching, and after the ride from London to Windsor, together with the half hour's scuffle in the station-house, the " stranger" be gan to feel very hungry, and expressed a great desire to have his dinner. He was accordingly permitted to have a dinner sent in to him, which was ordered from the Castle Inn, and, he partook most heartily of mock turtle and beefsteaks, ac companied by half a pint of port wine, the superintendent very properly refusing to permit ,him to have. an increased quantity of " the juice of the grape." . During a great- portion of the night he occupied himself in writing, refusing to lie down to rest. After some time it was discovered—for various were the speculations afloat as to who he really was—that he is a clerk in the Foreign Post-office, - of the name of Saunders ; and upon referring to the Red Book, I perceive, in the list of junior clerks in that department of the Post-office establish ment, the name of William Saunders, who, I have since as certained, is the identical " stranger" in question. I have likewise since learned that he was on duty yesterday morn ing at the Foreign Letter-office ; and, upon the arrival of the foreign mails, discovering the letters and papers addressed to her Majesty, he put them into his pocket, for the purpose of conveying them, without loss of time, to the Queen at Windsor. As soon as his d u ti es h a d ceased at the office, he sarted off to the castle, post-haste, in a chaise and four ; and thus he has got himself into as pretty a scrape as he will find some difficulty in extricating himself from without, at least, the loss of his situation at the Post-office, if not at the hazard of far'rnore serious consequences. lie, is now charged—and the imputation, looking at it in a legal point of view, is a most awkward affair for him—with abstracting letters from the Post-office, which passed through his hands as one of the clerks in that establishment ; and upon this charge he is now in custody. This morning he was taken to London in charge of Rus sell, the police inspector, who proceed e d th ere a t th e ear l y hour of six o'clock, by the Great Western railway. kis expected that his examination will take place at the Home-office, if such an ordeal has not yet been gone through. Saunders appears to be about 30 years of age, of gentle manly manners and address, and has held his situation in the Post-office (to which he was recommended by Lord Mel bourne) about three years. REPRESENTATION OF I3IRMINGHAM. RESIGNATION OF MR. THOMAS ATTWOOD. BIRMINGHAM—Tuesday Evening.—Yesterday and to day town talk is devoted almost exclusively to one interesting and engrossing topic—namely, the announcement that Mr. Tnos. Attwood has applied for the Chiltern Hundreds. Of this fact there does not appear t'o exist the slightest doubt; and some circumstances connected with it would make it appear that the honourable gentleman attempted to get rid of his senatorial honours after no very honourable fashion. The usual practices for members of late days, when bought up by Government; "or when they found the trade of re presentativn less profitable than they expected, was to pay their constituents the compliment, in the first instance, of telling them so ; but the radical represent a ti ve of Birming ham did' not consider the " great unwashed" worthy of this act of courtesy, and he intended it seems, at once to con found them with the extent of their calamity, by accepting of the Chiltern Hundreds, and leaving them to tish for another candidate in turbid and troubled waters. The honourable member's intentions, however, transpired, not withstanding all his care and cunning —so true it is that a certain class of persons sometimes overreach themselves. He went rather late on Saturday, to what he conceived, to be the proper Government office, to give the necessary in timation, but not being so conversant with matters of this kind, as some of Mr. O'Connell's Irish tail, he found him self in the wrong box, and before. he conld' retrieve the Mistake whiCh he made, the proper 'office was. closed. By some means very easily to be accounted for under a Govern anent.which has not many votes to spare, the circumstance found its way to Birmingham, and on the, following day (Sunday) a meeting of the burgesses was called to determine the .question, " What is to be done ?" Aftersome canvass 'ing4)f the merits of various parties, in the course. of which .was suggested that Middlesex Joe should be withdrawn from 'Kilkenny,• for' the purpose of supplying the vacancy, leaving Mr. O'Connell to fill his place, it was at length decided that Mr. Sturgc, the well-known advocate of the abolition of slavery,.antl member of the Society of. Friends, should be nominated in the room of Mr. Attwood. Some gentlemen connected with the anti-corn-law league, who were invited to attend, offered on behalf of that body £5OO, and,an - additional sum of £5OO, if required, to secure Mr. Sturge's return. Thus far matters have proceeded on one side of the question ; but Mr. Sturge being out of town, and ignorant of the political movement going forward, may refuse the proffered honour ' • of this is friends seem, how ever , to have n o apprehension. The conservative party, notwith standing the little notice which they have had, are not idle, and intend to proposee Richard Spooner,' Esq., a gentleman of known eotstitutional principles, and whose talents and intelligence will reflec the highest credit upon their choice. There is not a doubt of his being supported, not only by every conservative in the borough to a man, but by a large number of _the more respectable whigs. Committees are already formed on both sides, and are only waiting, to de clare their men publicly, for the official announcement, by Mr. Attwood, of his resignation. , That the contest will be a close one there can b e n o d ou bt but upon this subject it would be prematute at present. it may, however, be stated that the conservatives never entered the field under more favourable circumstances.—Correspondent of the Morning Herald. TRANSMUTATION EXTRAORDINARY:—A gentleman went to the cupboard for a dram. Being in a state of mental alienation, he swallowed the contents of a bottle which con tained oil used for turning light hair black. He instantly commenced changing colour, and has since become a perfect negro. Th e d eep gr i e f o f hi s b eauteous an d devoted wife is said to be absolutely heart-rending. Prince Alexander Iladgeri is"about to publish, from the imperial press of the university of Moscow, a gigantic work, which has occupied him thirty years- - --a dictionary in Turkish, Arabic, Persian, and French. During his long diplomatic career at the Porte, he states that he, in common with other persons, wishing to make themselves acquainted with the Turkish language,. experienced great inconvenience from the want . _of such a ss i s t ance, " as the great mixture of Arabic and Persian presents one of the most serious obstacles to its ac quirement. The work has received the approbation of Von Hammer, the late Silvestre de Sacy, Rosenzweig, and others, and 200 copies have been subscribed for by the Sultan. It is publishing at the expence of the Russian Government, and the Emperor _Nicholas has accepted its dedication. The ptosPectus and accompanying specimen give a splendid idea of the progress of typography in Russia.—Athenceuni. IMPORTANT NEWS PROM INDIA. An extraordinary express via Marseilles, has brought im portant intelligence from India to 28th October; and we ex-, tract the following from the letter under that date of the Bombay correspondent of the Morning' Post : " Actounts have been received from the army of the Indus. The Bombay troops left Cabul on the 18th ultimo, and were expected tnreach Quetta about the 25th instant, when their further progress would be contingent on the work to be done in that. quarter in chastising the refractory chief of Kelat. The Bolan pats, it was expected, would be blocked up with snow, which would probably retard the march of our troops. Colonel Herring, of the 37th regiment Bengal Native In fantry, was murdered about forty miles from Cabul, having incautiously gone out for a walk without a sufficient escort. " The forts of Joudpore, in Rajpootana, and in Kurnaul, in the Deccan, are now in po s ses s i on o f ;he British troops, both places having surrendered without a single shot having been fired. The conduct of the chiefs of these two places would seem to lave no doubt that there .must have,been a, general intention on the part of the native princes to rise against the British, in the event of the army having met with a repulse in Atfghanistan. The discoveries at Kurnaul, which was taken possession of by the Madras troops on the 6th instant, are of a most extraordinary nature. " Kurnaul is an independent Mahomedan principality in the south of India, connected by ties and treaties with the British. The fort of Kurnaul is about 120 miles south of Hyderabad, and 270 north-west of Madras. It is - not yet exactly known what were the more immediate causes which constrained the British government to determine on despatch ing a military force into this territory. The event, however, has shown that it was not without good reason. The troops of the Nabob had been ten months in arrears, and had be come mutinous, and when our troops took possession of the place, on the 6th instant, he was carried ()Why his own troops (Patans and Rohillas,) who declared they would not give him up till their arrears were paid.. .0n the fort being taken Tos session of the discoveries to which I have alluded were made. " In the Zenana of the Nabob, which proves to be a per fect arsenal on an extensive scale—a place selected, no doubt; from its sacredness from. intrusion—have been found con cealed between four and' five hundred pieces of Artillery, of which fully one hundred were, in such a state . of e(inipinent - as to be ready for active service inthe field at a few days' warn ing.. Furnaces for,castingsuns and shot were also discovered. The whole affair is of sdnincli interest, that I encloSe all the particulars yet received here, in the accompanying extract of the Madras Svctato t derived from' a . letter dated Knrnaul, 9th instant, Which has created a great sensation in this coun try, as it no doubt will in. EngFuld." (Front the Times.) Letters and journals from Calcutta to the 13th, and from Bombay to the 28th of October have been received. The fall of'.Ghiztiee, which decided the Afghan questiOn,. had produced the most important impression upon that peo ple. In Burmali and Nepaul the effect was instantaneous. Upon Persia it would be equally influential. All who, durint the progress of our army to Cahn!, had calculated on its ex periencing reverses, and were prepared to take advantage of them, and who had even assumed towards. us a bullying tone and attitude, had all at once become our huMble-and excel lent neighbours, desirous of cultivating our friendship. Our correspondent states that there was but too much reason for suspecting that disaffection had generally subsisted among the native chiefs, and that they would - have revolted, had our army encountered defeat. The chastisement inflicted on Sattara, Jnoudpore, and Khurnaul, the three states guilty of malpractices, and the reduction of them to the condition of helpless dependents, would prove a salutary lesson to all who doubted British power. Our accounts from Cabul came down to the close of the month of Septeinber. - General Willshire, with the Bombay division, marched on the 18th of that mouth, and was to pro ceed from 0 hiznce to Moostong, leaving Candahar to the right. On their way they would depose the Khan of Killat, as it had been ascertained that all the robberies, all the starvation, and all the murders of which the army had been the victims when .advancing, were committed by him, or at his suggestion. The Bengal division, excepting that part of it to be left in the county for the protection of the Schah, was to leave shortly, for the upper provinces, and would be ac companied by Sir SOhn Keane as far as Attach.. All was satisfactory at Herat. Captain Pottinger had pre vailed on Kanarain to acquiesce in the treaty. Major Tod was busily occupied with the fortifications. Thecotinnissioners sent from Simla to Lahore had succeeded in obtaining a passage for the troops and a favourable scale of duties on the merchandise transmitted by the Indus to the marts of the Punjab. Unfortunately, however, the heir ap parent, Now-Nepal-Singb, who was anxious to take a part in public affairs, and the prime minister, Dhi an -Si ng h, were at variance, and would in all probability resort to hostilities, and thus render British interference necessary. The accounts from Persia represented that country as in the most detracted and deplorable condition. A revolt took place against the Prince at Shiraz, which ended in his being kept a close prisoner. The Schah was at Teheran in a very lamentable state. ECCLESIASTICAL AND, UNIVERSITY INTELLIGENCE. (From the Durham Advertiser.) At an Ordination held in the chapel at Auckland Castle on Sunday last, the Bishop of Durham admitted the follow. ng gentlemen into Holy Orders : DEACONS. William Skene, Licentiate in Theology, University College. Durham. Frederic Brewster Thompson, 8.A., University College, Durham. William Darnell, 8.A., University College, Oxford. Christopher Abbott, St. Bees. PRIESTS. " , George Brown, Licentiate in Theology, University College Durham. James Watson Hick, 8.A., University College, Durham, William Mackey, Licentiate, in Theology, University Col. lege, Durham. John Cundill, 8.A.- ' University College, Du r h am . Francis Thompson, 8.A., University College, Durham. John Thurlow, 8.A., St. John's College, Cambridge. Thomas Garnett, 8.A., University College, Durham. (From the Oxford Herald.) On Thursday last the following Degrees were conferred : BACHELOR IN DIVINITY. Rev: Isaac Williams, Fellow of Trinity College. MASTERS OE ARTS. Rev. Charles Thorp, Magdalen Hall. Rev. Henry Teush-Hecker, Trinity College. Rev. Francis George Jackson, Trinity College. John Nash Tyndall, Wadham College. BACHELORS OF ARTS. St. John Mitchell, Edmund Hall. William Andrew Faulknek, Magdalen Hall. Thomas Grey Clarke, Queen's College. Edward Penrose Hathaway, Queen's College. Thomas Charles Price, Postmaster of Merton College. Richard Joynes, Scholar of Corpus Christi College. Geo. Carless Swayne, Scholar of Corpus Christi College. Philip Howell Morgan, Scholar of Jesus College. Henry Arthur Girand, Scholar of Worcester College. John George Sheppard, Scholar of Wadham College. John Savres, Scholar of Wadham College. Henry Watson Fox, Wadham College. Robert Mynors, University College. Rev. J. H. Harding, B.A. to the Vicarage of Child's Wickham, Gloucestershire, vacant by the resignation of the Rev. J. S. Hird ; patron, P. Bedwell, Esq. Rev. John Davies, B.D. Rector of St..Pancras, Chichester, to the Rectory of Gateshead, Duiham; patron, the Bishop of Durham. • Rev. William Hurst, B.A. to the Rectory of Boylstone, Derbyshire, on his own petition, as patron. Rev. H. J. Rose, B.D. of St. John's College, Cambridge, and Rector of Houghton Conquest, to be one of the Rural Deans of the Deanery of Bedford. Rev. Dr. Ainger, Prebendary of Chester, and Perpetual Curate of St. Bees, Cumberland, to be Rural Dean of the District. Rev. George Gray, of Maypole, to the Professorship of Oriental Languages in the University of Glasgow. Rev. T. D. Moore, Vicar of Aghadown, to be Prebendary of Kingualor, and Rector of Athnowen, Ireland. Rev. F. V. Lockwood, M.A. of Trinity College, Cambridge, has been appointed Vice-Dean of the Cathedral of Canter bury for the ensuing year. Mr. Charles Augustus Johnson, Commoner of Brazenose College, of kin to the Founder, has been elected to the Craven Scholarship, vacant by the resignation of Mr. Ryle, of Ch. Cb. On the Ist inst. Mr. Algernon Bathurst, from Winchester College, was admitted a Scholar of New College. On Thursday sc,nnight, the Rev. Thomas Twysden, M. A. of Merton College, was instituted to the Rectory of East A llington, Devon, vacant by the death of the Rev. W.Wells; patroness, Mrs. Elizabeth Fortescue. The Rev.W. S. Harris Brahatn, M. A. of Lincoln College, has been presented, by the Dean and Chapter of Canterbury, to the Rectories of St. George and St. Mary Magdalen, Can terbury, vacant by the resignation of the Rev. F. Rouch, M.A. of St. John's College, who has a ccep t e d t h e Vi carage of Halstow, Kent. A Grace has passed the Senate at Cambridge, allowing the purchase of about 20,000 Geological specimens of Count Munster, at the price of £5OO, from the Woodwardian fund. J. Clark, B.A. of Christ's College, Cambridge, has been elected a Foundation Fellow of that Society. Henry Brookland Mason, B.A. of Christ's College, Cam bridge, has been elected a Fellow of that College, on the Foundation of Sir John Finch and Sir Thomas Baines. PROMOTIONS. Rev. E. Bennett, M.A. late Scholar of St. John's Col lege, Cambridge, to the Incumbency of the Chapel of St. John's, Chittlehampton, Devon ; patron, Lord Rolle. Rev. R. Rowe lin t ott, M.A. to the Vicarage of Herndon, 'Northamptonshire, vacant by the death of the Rev. John Hyde, M.A. of St. Alban Hall, late Rector of St. Martin's, in this city. Rev. John Hill, to the Perpetual Curacy of Barlby, York shire ; patron, the Vicar of Hemingbrough. Rev. Charles Ackland, M.A. of Caius College, Cambridge, to the Perpetual Curacy of Queenborough, Kent, vacant by the resignation of the Rev. William Bowman ; patrons, the Corporation of Queenborough. Rev. R. R. Hughes, to the Vicarage of Kemmerton, Gloucestershire, vacant by the death of the Rev. J. Goodman. Rev. Wm. Cockcroft, of Manchester, to the Head Mas tership of Knutsford Free Grammar School. Rev. Mr. Robinson, to the Chaplaincy of the Boston Union Poor House. (From the Cambridge Chronicle.) On the 23d ult. Charles Thornton, 8.A., of Clare Hall, was elected a Bye Fellow of that Society. CreossE SCHOLARSHIP.—On Thursday last Henry Bai ley, 8.A., of St. John's College, in this University, was elected an University Scholar on the Crosse Foundation. The Rev. Pelham Maitland, 8.A., of St. Peter's College, in this University, has been presented, by the Rev. Dr. Whittaker, vicar of Blackburn, to the incumbency of bt. Peter's Church, Blackburn. The rectories of St. George and St. Mary Magdalen, Can terbury, vacant by the Rev. P. Rouch's acceptance of the vicarage. of Halstow, having passed the five senior minor canons, have been conferred, by the Dean and Chapter of Canterbury, upon the Rev. W. S. H. Braham, the next in rotation.—Mr. B. was formerly of Trinity College, in this University. On the 28th ult. the Lord Bishop of Peterborough insti tuted the Rev. Richard Rowe Knott, M.A., to the vicarage of Hellidon, in Northamptonshire, vacant by the resignation of the Rev. James Augustus Hessey. On the presentation of Carsten Holthouse, Esq., the patron. On the 3d inst. the Lord Bishop of Peterborough insti tuted the . Rev. James Mellor Brown, 8.A., to the rectory of Isham Inferior, in Northamptonshire, vacant by the ces sion of the Rev. Henry Mursby, on the presentation of the Lord Bishop of Lincoln, the patron. The British government, we learn, has appointed Mr. G. R. Porter as a commissioner, jointly with Mr. Bulwer and Mr. M'Gregor, in the commercial negociations between England and France. Mr. Porter, who is chief of the sta tistical department at the board of trade, is a man of great experience, sound judgment, and conciliatory disposition. A better choice could not have been made. The English go vernment, we have already stated, is desirous that the con ferences should be resumed immediately. Mr. Bulwer and Mr. Porter, who have already shown an honourable zeal in the affair, will not wait for Mr. M'Gregor. The latter was to leave Naples on the 16th of November ; but, as he must go to London to render an account of his mission, he can scarcely reach Paris before the end of the present month.— Galignani. REV. HUGH M'NEILE AND HIS CALUMNIATORS. (From the Dablin Evening Mail.) Accustomed as we are to the infamous expedients of the Ministerial press, we thought we could regard their worst misrepresentations with a comparatively equal degree of con tempt ; but we confess we were penetrated with feelings of disgust and horror, stronger than have been called forth by any political slander since the time of Lord Norbury's assas sivation, in reading the following paragraph in the govern ment paper of Saturday night t "INCITEMENT TO MURDER THE QUEEN " To do the ministers of the Established Church in Eng land only common justice, it Must be confessed that they are by no means behind the most benevolent of their Irish breth ren in audacity and treason. Nl`Neile (but he's a "native," we believe, although located in England, certainly a brother in-lain of little Tommy Magee; the Icrlehdeaton) has been holding forth in Lancashire. at apublia meeting, over which LOrd Kenyon presided. .We shall give tin extract from the Speech ; it is hideous as A.whial ; but to one passage we must invite particular attention. It is the most extraordinary and atrocious declaration of the necessity of murdering the Sove reign that ever dropped from a traitor's lip. His words are these : "What peace so long as that woman Jezebel lives ?" The sentsnce was applauded to the echo—but we must give the extract in full " But, my lord, it is said that ministers of the, gospel should not intermeddle with things of this kind ; that they should be ministers of peace, promoters of peace. We hear this on every side. All who are anxious to get rid of our advocacy, because they feel they cannot answer our argu ments—(cheers)—endeavour to put us down by professing vast concern.about our spirituality. (A laugh.) 'Ministers of peace! Where is this found, I would ask ? Where are we called ministers of peace ? Not in the Scriptures. What a strange 'delusion is abroad. (Hear.) There is no such thing in the Bible. We are ambassadors' for Christ. And what did Christ say ? Think you that I came to send peace on earth? I tell you nay, but rather a sword.' A swordl 'DoubtlesS it is a word: We..possess, indeed, a peace the. world knows nothing - of. He said to his followers, - ' Peace I leave with you. My . peace I gisie - 'unto you. Not as the world gii7eth, give 1 unto you. Let not your h ear t s be trou bled, neither be ye afraid. We have a peace within : but as to our ministry, it is A . sword, and not peace. It cannot be 'peace, while the world is under the power of the'deirit, who is the enemy of all righteousness. Wbast peace, so long as that woman, Jezebel, lives? (Loud eheerst.) 'lt cannot be pOsSible till peace comes in its ptoper scriptural place !...' The wisdom that cometh from above is rtitst rune, then peace= able' (Cheers.) When the world shall be p ure , then the ministers of the church will be men of peace. But while:the' world is corrupt, I - say, my lord,' we are men of War. (Ali • plane.)' Our MaSter has given us a• sword. His ministry was a sword, piercing through many hearts ; and the minis try of every -faithful follower of his is a sword—a sword that cometh in contact with the great abscess of man's corrup tion ; and there cannot be peace while there is this leaven of iniquity inthe world." (Cheers.) • What could have been the objeet of a falsehood so enor mous, so palpable, so self-detected ? Nobody could beliete it—no human creature ever did, or ever could, or ever can, take such a meaning out 'of words as plainly directed not against our gracious queen, as this scandalous charge of treason is directed agaLrist the pious, learned, and loyal Hugh M'Neile.• What then, we repeat, could have been the object of the paragraph in question ? It plainly was not to mislead—for no reasonable creature ever had a mind so ob tuse as to be misled by it ; it is " gross as a mountain, open, palpable"—plain, downright, unsophisticated. We can di vine the object, and that without much studying. The mas ters of the government exact from their slaves a " black mail" of calumny on every advocate of Protestantism. The dues must be paid, if not in meal, in malt—if not in calum nies wearing the garb of probability, in calumnies stark naked. No matter how indecent the exposure, the obscene thing has to be sent out—the imperious tyrant brooks no excuse. Every Protestant advocate must -be slandered, or at least the willingness to slander must be exhibited at the stated time. Ah ! to what dirty offices the patronage of Rome compels her proteges! ROYAL NUPTIALS-MARRIAGE MANIA. (From the Argus) Parliament will be called together for the dispatch of busi ness probably on the 14th of January, but the precise day will be fixed by the Privy Council, who are summoned to at tend her Majesty for that purpose at Windsor Castle on. Monday next. It will not be later than the 16th ; there are private and particular reasons why it should not be longer delayed. Our readers know that we always speak "by the card." The alterations in her Majesty's private apartments at Buckingham Palace are all to be completed before the 25th of January ; they will cost about three thousand pounds, and combine the connection of a suite with two dressing-rooms, ante-rooms, private breakfast and drawing-rooms, so con structed that the royal couple may pass to and fro without observation.. The decorations of the private dressing-room will be very splendid, and are to be completed at an expense of six hundred pounds. - Her Majesty, we regret to state, has not enjoyed her usual health and .spirits for some days pasthaving relin quished her usual exercise, and, with only one exception, avoiding appearance in public. The Castle gossips attribute this to ennui, arising from the absence of her princely lover. The officials say that her Majesty is - much chagrined at the supineness of her ministers in affairs du cteur, Lord Mel bourne having shown no disposition to accelerate a much de sired event. We give these on dits as we hear them. We 'believe the truth to be, that her Majesty, like most of her subjects, has been suffering from slight indisposition, arising from cold, brought on by the inclemency of the season. We are, however, happy to say that the Queen was considered convalescent on Saturday morning. Her Royal Highness the Duchess of Kent will almost im mediately 'resume her separate residence at Kensington Palace, and occasionally at Claremont. The announcement of a royal marriage has induced cer tain high contracting parties —peers of the realm, belles of noble paternity, and dowagers of distinguished note—to proclaim their intentions to unite hand and heart at the same time and shrine with her youthful Majesty.. Lord Dinorbeu- ! is, .we s lsear, ,to espouse Miss Smith, ,the lovely sister of the,P;inces of capna .; his lordship. will, it is sain, settle £4,QoQ.pepapatim on his bride, as a marriage portion. The Lord Viscount Itbiingtom is shortly .to he allied to the amiable and highly accomplished Lady Dover.. LOrd Palinerston . is also. to lead to the hymeneal altar the Dowager Countess Cowper, sister to Lord Viscount Mel hokum!: The noble lady has a joilittue of 3,000 per annum ; this ./ony-anticipated event was to have taken place last Tues day, but it is deferred to the 21st, that being the shortest day, and dedicated, to St. Thomas. The C oun t ess C owper h as obtained her Majesty's permission to merge her superior title in that of the Viscount, her future husband. The Hon. Richard Watson, brother to Lord Sondes, has solicited and obtained the promise of the f a i r b an d o f Miss Quin, daughter to Lord George Quin, and niece to the Mar quis of Headfort and Earl Spencer. There is no truth in the following paragraph which has been going the round of the daily ,papers : " It is also reported that a noble marquis, recently become a widower, already contemplates a union with the only daughter of one of our noble dukes." The parties here alluded to are the Marquis of Salisbury and Mademoiselle D'Este, and we repeat that there is no foundation for the report. The Earl of Ashburnham, it is said, will return from Scot land (where he has now been some months on a visit to the Marquis of Breadalbane) a thriving wooer. His lordship is a bachelor, and the fair lady who hath inclined her ear most seriously to his gentle suit, rumour informs us, is the sister of the noble Marchioness. There is also a very general report abroad that the Earl of Liverpool is to be 'lifted to Mrs. Mytton, the widow of the eccentric Jack Mytton, of sporting celebrity. The lady is of highly-respectable connexions. It is rumoured that Lord Melbourne, in imitation of his Royal mistress, is about to be married. This may in some manner, perhaps, account for the moping, melancholy state, not unlike that of a lovesick swain, in which his lordship has lately been remarked to indulge. STATE OF TRADE. (From the Manchester Guardian.) MANCHESTER.—There was a very flat market for most descriptions of goods and yarns yesterday, and_some descrip tions of goods, and especially printing cloths - and domestics, were a shade lower than at the close of last week. There was, however, an improved demand for some descriptions of yarn, and for 40-inch shirtings, suitable for the India market. This demand caused an impression, which the arrival of the London morning papers showed to be correct; that intelligence had been received overland from India ; and it is presumed that the commercial intelligence cannot have been very unfavourable. We regret to say that a con siderable number of failures have been announced within the last few days; hut the majority of them are of firms not very directly connected with the staple business of the town ; though two or three are so. Yesterday afternoon there was a report, which is coun t enance d by one of tEe London morning papers, of the failure of a most extensive retail house at the west end of London ; and the debts were stated to amount to an enormous sum, hut to be owing principally in a foreign country. Whether there was any foundation for the report was, perhaps, very doubtful ; but it helped to increase the gloom which was generally prevalent. Amongst the reports which we heard, upon the exchange, was one to the effect that Mr. M'Gregor, the English envoy at the court of Naples, had succeeded in concluding a commercial treaty with that country, under the guarantee of Austria, and on fair and 'equitable terms. Amongst these were the abolition of the absurd and mischievous monopoly of brimstone, of which our manu facturers have so justly complained, and, on the .other hand, the admission of Neapolitan oils into this country on the same terms of Spanish oil. We hope this statement will turn out to be correct, though hitherto it has received no confirmation from the London kqEers. ROCHDALE FLANNEL MARKET, MONDAY, DEC. 9. There has been rather a better demand for goods to-day than on the preceding Monday, and certainly more flannels have been sold ; but the price obtained have been rather lower. There is no change in the wool - market. HUDDERSFIELD MARKET, DEC. 10.—Were it not for the attendance of the usual visitors, we should scarcely be able to say that there was any market, so little was done generally. To say no sales were effected would not be correct ; and even to state that a few good parcels of low wollens did not meet with purchasers, would not be true. But, generally speaking, there were few transactions, and those few at very poor prices. In short, we scarcely ever knew it worse. A general gloom prevails, which has been greatly aggravated by heavy failures in different parts of the country. Wools are a shade lower. We hear that the title of that gallant veteran, Sir John Keane, the commander of the army of the Indus, is to be Baron Keane, of Cappoq u i n , i n th e county of Waterford. It may perhaps not be out of place here to say, that Sir John Keane has not been recalled, as has been so often stated by her Majesty's government. The facts, as we can recollect them, are, that upon the resignation of Sir Henry Fane, Sir Jasper Nichol, was appointed comm an d er -i n - c hi e f i n I n di a. Sir Jasper Nichol is, we believe, junior in rank to Sir John Keane • and that circumstan c e, f rom m ilit ary et i quette a l onef might have induced the hero of Ghuznee to have resigned his command ; but the stronger reason is, that, having spent more than five years in India, lie is naturally desirous of returning to his home ; and it is with pleasure we hear, that the triumph of this. gallant and generous soldier has given the warmest satisfaction to his old comrades in arms, who will receive him with a hearty welcome.—Observer. " THE MEN or THE NORTH. "- About a week before the rising in Wales, a person fro - Ilia neighbouring town was in Manchester, and in conversation' with a well-known agitator from Scotland ; when the latter stated to the countryman, that there would assuredly, in a very short time, be an in surrection in Wales, of which Frost would be the leader ; that he.(the Scotchman) would be in the neighbourhood of Car lisle at the time it broke out ; and, if the Welsh succeeded, he, with " the men of the north," would make a like move ment, and rouse the whole country. There is not the least reason to doubt, that the Welsh outbreak was only part of a plan for bringing out the whole of the labouring population to plunder and destroy, in the west, the north, and the central districts of England, at the same time. TOWN COUNCIL PROCEEDINGS. - m— . ..i The adjourned ineetn - `of' the Town Counc i l was held on Wednesday, in thaTown.hall. , JiistuA.WALMESLEY, Esq.,. the Mayor, presided. 1.. z . 'ADF:R' ' 'SIi7N OF WARDS. The MAYOR' reportedAhat the following gentlemen had been appointed by the. councillors aldermen of the several wards :—Evetton, Joseph Hornby ; Scotland, Thos. Holt ; Vauxhall, -Thomas Braley ; - St: Paul's, Wm. Purser Freme ; Exchange, Robert Roskeil ;. Castle-street, Enoch Harvey ; St. Peter's, Thomas Lcatborn ; Pitt-street,. Thomas Booth ; Great George's, Richd. Sheil ; Rodney-street, Eyre Evans ; Abercromby, .Thomas Brockhurst Barclay ; Lime-street, William Earle ' • St. Anne-street, Robt. ter m ; W es t D er b y , James Moon; South Toxteth, Geo.. Holt ; North Toxteth,: Christopher Hird Jones. The MAyon then presented a memorial from certain in habitant's of Hill4treetland the - rieighbehrheed`(as a-couriter petition to one presented at a previous meeting), stating that Mr. Harrison's flour-mill in Hill-sireet was not a nuisance. There were 128 signatures to the memorial. The-MAYOR said that it was also his duty to announce to the council that a very old servant of the corporation, Han nah, the sword=bearer, died on Tuesday at one o'clock. • lIODNEY-STREET WARLI - 7 - THE DISPUTED SEAT. The MAyoi said that the nest business on the summons was that relative to Rodney-street ward; and as it was a legal question, the Town-clerk would state to the Council the par ticulars. The TOWN-CLERK said that he had deemed it to be his duty to take the opinion of counsel, as to whether Mr. Law rence would be the member for Rodney -street ward, if the Court of King's Bench should decide that Mr. Harvey was disqualified. He had consequently submitted a case to Mr. Starkie, Queen's counsel ; Mr. Wightinan, Queen's counsel, and Mr. Crompton, assessor of the borough. The case be gan by stating various sections of the municipal act (sec. 37, 42, and 51), and also of the amended act (sec. 8 and 4.) Then it went on to state that on the Ist of March, 1838, Mr. Harvey was elected one of the revising assessors of the bo rough of Liverpool ;—that on the Bth, 9th, 11th, and 13th of October, in the same year, Mr. HarVey held the court for the revision of the burgess list,'with the Mayor and the other revising assessor,• upon an understanding between the two political parties, by which each had chosen an assessor with out contest ;—that on the 18th- of the same month Mr. liar s vey addressed a letter to .the Mayor and Co unc il, resigning his office, and requesting them duly to record and notify his resignation ;—that on the 24th of the same month a Council was held., when the letter notifying the resignation was react. Then followed a copy of the bye-law, ordaining that the fine' on a person not accepting the office of assessor should' be £25, and that the fine on resigning should be the sane as for not accepting. Then the case proceeded to state, that on the 25th of October Mr. HarVey paidthc fine of £25, and after wards went on thus : . About the month of May, 1838,' Mr: Harvey had been re quested by certain burgesses of Rodney-street Warc4 to be.; come a candidate for that ward, at the election of the Ist of November, in the same year, and consented to become so. . On the 3d October (five days before the revision- court), he published in the newspapers an address offering himself as a candidate to the burgesses of Rodney-Ared Ward, and .he immediately began to canvass the burgesses of the - said ward. • A controversy arose as to his eligibility, both in the news papers which are daily published in the borongh, and in con versation with the burgesses. , The oneside contending that Mr. Harvey could not legally revise the burgess-list and then resign, and become a candidate for a ward, the burgess-list of which he had revised ; and the other Party contending that he had such right. The facts of Mr. Harvey having held the'office of assessor, of his having revised the burgess-list after he had offered himself as a candidate for the office of councillor, and of his having resigned the assessorship after revising the burgess list, were matters of notoriety in the borough. At the election on the Ist November, 1838, Mr. Harvey was returned the councillor of Rodney-street Ward, by a majority of the burgesses of the ward. There were only two candidates, Mr. Harvey and Henry Lawrence, Esq. No notice was given by the party of Mr. Lawrence to any of the voters for Mr. Harvey, that he was disqualified, during the continuance of his office as revising assessor, unless the discu ss i on an d no t or i e ty a l rea dy s t a t e d could amount to such notice, or be equivalent thereto. In the present Michaelmas Term (November, 1839), the Court of Queen's Bench granted a rule absolute for an in formation in the nature of a quo ?currant°, against Mr. Har vey. to copy of the shorthand writer's notes accompanies this statement.] On the 20th instant (November, 1839), a letter from Mr. Harvey was laid before the council as follows : [This letter has previously been inserted in the STANn4n.n.] After having referred to several cases for the guidance 01 counsel, the case proceeded It may be argued that eTery person must be presumed to know the law, and in this case the facts were notorious. It will therefore be for consideration whether formal notice was necessary to make the votes for Mr. Harvey lost voles. Supposing Mr. Harvey to suffer judgment, as it appears to be his intention, it will be for consideration how far that judgment would be conclusive to support the seat of Mr. Lawrence ; if counsel should .be of opinion that if Mr: Harvey was in law disqualified, Mr. Lawrence would stand returned, notwithstanding the want of formal notice. On the hearing, a point was made as to no acceptance of the:resignation by the council appearing, but it is apprehended the right to resign could not depend on whether the council accepted the resignation or rejected it. The council in ex preSs terms did neither, properly avoiding any part of the proceeding. Another point may be, whether as the new office of revising assessor was created by the Ist Vict. passed after the act, giving power to resign corporate offices the office could be resigned ; but it is supposed the sth and ,6th Win. 4th, and the subsequent acts would be construed altogether as one act. You are requested to advise, whether (supposing judgment of ouster on Mr. llarvey's default), the propercourse will be to proceed to a new election or to consider Mr. Lawrence elected.. And if a new election be the proper course, you are re• quested to advise upon the following sections of 5 and 6 Wm 4th, .c. 76, and the amendment act. Whether the election must be proceeded to within ten days, or at the time of the annual election. [We omit the sections referred to.] Then followed the opinion of the counsel, which was in the following terms We are of opinion that after judgment of ouster, Mr. Harvey must be taken to have been disqualified ' • and, if so, the only question is, whether the v ot es g i ven for Mr. Harvey were thrown away, so as to leave Mr. Lawience a majority of legal votes ; and it seems to us, upon the whole, that although in,. the...reported cases - upon the subject there b. usually been an express notice of disqualification, although no express notice ever be proved, it is sufficient to nullify his vote ;—and, in thi present instance, we think that the cir cumstances would be sufficient to warrant a jury in finding that the voters for Mr. Harvey had knowledge of circum stances which, according to the opinion of tbis Court of Queen's Bench, are sufficient to disqualify him. We think, therefore, that the proper course will be to consider Mr. Lawrence duly elected., (Signed) T. STARK lE. W. WI Mini AN. CHARLES CROMPTON. Inner Temple, A r m,. 29, 1839. The TOWN-CLERK then proceeded to say that it was his duty to advise the council to adopt the course recommended in that opinion : and he might state that the return made by the alderman and . assessors of the vvartl,,on the occasion of this election, was as follows :—At: the close of the poll, at four o'clock,.for,Mr. Harvey, 274; for Mr. Lawrence, 265, showing a majority , for the former, gentleman of 9. This was, doubtless, in the nature of a return to the House of Com mons by the returning officer. The return of the borough officer was similar to that, inasmuch as it is stated who was the successful party—who was elected'. The return stated the fact of there having been two candidates, and the numbers polled by each ; and if the opinion of the counsel applied to were to be considered as law by the council, that return of the alderman and assessors was in fa c t a re t urn o f M r . were lost 'v b o e te c s a . use in maiulkawi4 the vot es g i ven t o M r. H arvey, a return of the two contending parties, the municipal return differed in this respect from the parliamentary one, inasmuch us, in the latter case, the clerk would have been ordered to attend with the return, and then one name would have been obliterated and the other put in. But this return of the alderman an assessor showed on the face of it that Mr, Lawrence was the party duly elected. Another duty ordinarily remained to be clone. A return of the persons elected was to be published by the mayor not later than two o'clock of the clay next but one succeeding the election. This, bewever, related to boroughs not divided into wards. The succeeding clause in the act, relating to boroughs divided into wards, gave the alderman and assessors the same power as the mayor had in boroughs not divided into wards. This duty ought to be done within two days ; if it could not, then as soon as possible. The not doing of it, though it might be a ground of complaint against the parties not doing it, could not invalidate the return when it was made. Now, he apprehended .that the only act which remained to be done was the publishing the election of Mr. Lawrence. No act remained to be done by the alderman and assessors. Their return, .coupled with the opinion of counsel, showed that Mr. Lawrence was the person elected. Mr. EVANS, as alderman of the ward, moved that the council should comply with the advice given by the Town clerk. Mr Lawrence, in all probability, would have the right to assume the seat after a certain time, but he could not do so without the acquiescence of the council.. He (Mr. Evans) therefore moved that the council, in as far as it de pended upon them, should declare Mr. Lawrence one of the representatives of Rodney-street Ward, and that he be ad vised of the same. . Mr. JORDAN seconded the motion. 't Mr. RATHBONE asked the Town-clerk for an explanation. It appeared that this was a case which had not been recog nised in the municipal reform act, and he would wish to know whether the council would not act wrongly in taking a part for either one or the other of the claimants. In his opinion, the case was one with which the council had nothing to do. It ought to be left to the mayor and aldermen to make the return, and when that was done, all that. the council could do was not to object to it. • . The TOWN -CLERK was of opinion, that it was not neces, sary that the case should be provided for in the municipal act. It was quite clear, in common law, that a person who had been decided to be, by the — Court of Queen's Bench, an usurper, ought to be ousted. The question then was, as it was essentially necessary that one return should be made. who was to sit? Would the council admit or reject Mr. Lawrence? The motion of Air. Alderman Evans would come to that point ; and the council must inevitably come to the decision to adopt one course or the other. If any person choose to oppose the return of Mr. Lawrence, the course was open for him to do so. Mr. RATHBONE said that the point at issue was, whether the council was bound to come to the decision or not. The question was, whether Mr. Lawrence should not be allowed to take his seat in silence, and without the council making it an act of their own. The TOWN-CLERK could not see that the determination of the council to consider Mr. Lawrence as accepted could by any possibility prejudice the council, or any member of it. He thought that, if couched in the words of the opinion of counsel, there could be no:objection to Mr. Evans's motion. Mr. RATHBONE observed that that would be going con trary to the course usually adopted. When members came in at the late election, the council neither accepted nor re jected. Mr. CURRIE would venture to ask a question. The Town clerk had said that he had considered it to be his duty to advise the mayor to publish Mr. Lawrence as returned for Rodney-street Ward. Now, he wanted to know whether that circumstance would not, in the opinion of the Town clerk, be sufficient to give validity to Mr. Lawrence's elec tion, and to'authorise him to come and take his seat. Mr. G. HOLT said that if the motion were put, it implied that they had the power to negative. Now, was that the fact? He imagined that they had no such power; but he asked the question for information. Mr. BLACKBURN observed that the opinion of Messrs. Starkie, Wightrnan, and Crompton was not a decision of a court of law ; it Was merely their opinion of what would be the decision of a court of law, if the matter were referred to them. And the question now was, should they be satisfied with th,t decision thus given, or should they take up such a position as to force Mr. Lawrence to obtain a higher autho rity ? The tenor of Mr. Evans's motion acquiesced in the law as given by the thred counsel, and the adoption of that motion, or something like it, was tantamount to saying that the council acquiesced in it with Out going to a higher o.utho rity, He thought that they 'should do that. Mr. Hucii IIoaNUY was sorry to differ from a gentleman whose opinion he so highly esteemed as that of Mr. Black burn ; but it appeared to him that the subject was one with which, in its present stage s the council had nothing to do. He should vote against any step being taken in this matter by the council. It appearcd.to him that they had, under the circumstances, to consult with their legal adviser, the Town clerk, as to what would be' the'prokr course to pursue. If his advice were•follgwed, and Mr.- I4awrence came into the council-chaMber, then, if the council said nothing, there would be aiivend of the matter:- Mr. COG!,AN. thought that if the opinion of the eminent counsel, 'as read by the town-clerk, be the law of the land, 'then it was peremptory that 'Mr. Lawrence should take his seat,.whatevep oppositipn they might make to it. If he (Mr. Lawrence) were the sitting member by the law of the land, he . CoUld claini silt in the same manner as any other re gular. member. It was not in their power to reject him, and if so, where was the necessity of confirmation ? lie should call it‘ a matter of supererogation. They should receive him sub silentio. Mr. JOHN SMLTH said that Mr. Lawience could not enter the council without signing - the declaration, and how could ,he sign it ule< Sunimoned to do so, by some such a motion as th4t of 41r., vat ' Me.'CuVitto;itcrtiglii ibeie ought to be a fresh' publication of the return in which it declared that Mr. Lawrence was the sitting.member.. Mr. - BoLToN said it had been decided that Mr. Harvey was unqualified because of his having been an assessor ; but, was it not equally a question, admitting that, whether Mr. Lawrence was the member? He reasoned from analogy. Petitions 'against returns were frequently presented to the House of Commons ; committees reported on them, some times 'deciding on the person who ought to be the sitting member, and sometimes not. It often happened that a fresh eiection had to take place. In his opinion, it was a question whether Mr. Lawrence was the sitting member, as well as whether Mr. Harvey could or could not be a candidate. The council ought not to interfere at all, either to forward or frustrate. The TOWN-CLERK said that it would be for their determi nation whether a fresh publication of the 'return were made or not. The legal course of proceeding would be, if Mr. Lawrence's seat were disputed, to apply to the Court. of Queen's Bench for a mandamus. He had stated, at the out set, that, as he conceived, the duty of the mayor would be to publish that Mr. Lawrence was duly elected a member of the council for , Rodney-Street Ward ; then, that being done, it would become his duty to summon Mr. Lawrence as a mem -ber Of the council. Mr. Lawrence would then attend, and, , if he met-with no opposition, would take his seat. He thought, at frrst„tliat, that, cnorse might very properly have been adopted, and at present he could not see that any injury would result frinnit •, but he now professed'himself a convert, and thought, it would be safestto adopt the recommendation 'Which had been made, to let the mayor, acting on such legal advice as - he Might think necessary, declare Mr. Lawrence elected, and then let him, be summoned in the-ordinary way. Mr. EVANS said that that would be to transfer to the mayor ,the authority takeir from the council—authority to take themost derided step--to declare who was elected, which was going the whole of th e l eng th. H e wou ld j us t ma k e one remark with regard to what had been said by Mr. Rathbone. One might:suppo.q! that he - bad - referred to Mr. Lawrence as if he was to .come there by beat of drum, in a different man - nerto any other member ; hut it ought to be recollected that if there,was ah eitraprdinary)thode of bringing a person into. the Council, there were alspextraerdinary circumstances at tending the case, which gaveiriSe to the proposition. He had consulted with.Mr...Harviy on-the sobject that-morning, and he (Mr. Harvey) held the same . opinion which he (Mr. Evans) had then offered to thecouncil. What had been pro posed would leave thelitatter of law' to go on ; -but. who was 'to pay the expenses ? Mr. Harvey: would, pot, and it would be a new thing for the council to defend a seat which had been relinquished. He (Mr. Evans) looked_upon it as a most extraordinary course in the council to give, up to the mayor the power of inviting that Member--Lto transfer to the mayor the power,-as it would seem, of issuing a writ on his own authority. .He looked upon it that if Mr. Harvey, or any person on'the part of that gentleman, were to resist Mr. Lawrence, then it would certainly be well for the council to remain-neutral—tolie in abeyance ; b u t when Mr. Harvey had altogether giVen up the seat, and the seat was de facto vacant, then the wisest and most generous act, in his opinion, was to do that which had been recoinniended. Mr. BArni3oNE was as anxious as Alderman Evans to do everything in a gracious way. He only desired that the council-, should not commit itself. if Mr. L awrence were elected, he should be as happy to see that gentleman in the council-Chamber as any of their own members; but he wanted to protect the council from taking an unusual course. Mr. Alderman BOOTH said it struck him that the course would be to publish the return, as in all other cases. G. HOLT.—Let the alderman and assessors publish instead of the mayor. Mr. BLACKBURN said that gentlemen argued as though the decision of counsel were binding upon them. Now, the council had to decide that. The MAYou.—Am •I to understand,' Mr. Evans, that you withdraw your motion ? • Mr. EvANs.—l will abide by the opinion of the council. (Cries of " Withdraw.") Mr. BRIGHT - said it seemed ,to be almost unanimously agreed that Mr. Lawrence should be the member, and he had no opposition to offer ; but it seemed they were to receive the opinion of three barristers as binding in law. It had not, in his opinion, been sufficiently shewn that the burgesses of Rodney-street Ward had voted with a perfect knowledge of the disqualification of Mr. Harvey. They had, in fact, voted under the idea „that he was perfectly qualified. • Again, it was stated by the Town-clerk that neither Mr. Lawrence, nor an agent of Mr. Lawrence, had put any question, at the . • time of the election, as to the eligibility of Mr. Harvey. Therefore, it was . only an act of justice to the burgesses that they should go to a new election. This was his decided opi nion, although he was only a humble person amongst them. Mr. JORDAN said that there seemed to be no difference in the council, except as to' the legality of the mode which was to be pursued; and he thought that they ought to act in such a manner as the 'town-clerk could recommend. Mr. Alderman S E for his own part, could not tell bow the council had got involved in such a discussion as this. Here were two gentlemen disputing about a seat. Now, why not dispOte up tethe:Poinfat . which it would be eompulSory on the conucil . to receive? They were no way. i involved in the defence of one, nor opposed to the other, Mr. CASE said that many gentlemen were a►guing on false premises altogether... .A'Aleeision- had been taken, as he un derstood ; and it was quite clear that Mr. Harvey was not the member for Rodney Street Ward. - Although the whole process in •the court of;law:had not been coippleted, yet there was a decision of the Court-of Queen's Bench that Mr. Hai., vey was not the councillor. ' What followed then-? why, then came the question, who was the member? Was Mr. Law rence the memher, ingouseqpence of the votes given to Mr. Harvey - being thrown 'away,' or was there to be a new elec tion ; That was the point which the council had to consider. The Town-clerk had given it as his opinion that the. regUlat course would be to admit Mr. Lawrence, in consequence of. the - votes given to - Mr. Harvey having been thrown. away. -Now, would any member object to that course, that being also tha opinion of those barristers that that was the legal course ? He asked, would .any gentleman object to that course or not? - - . The TOWN-CLERK said that he would endeavour to explain himself more fully. The first opinion had been obtained by him on the 29th November although he did not think it pfoper that that opinion should be made public until after Judgment was pronounced. Judgment having subsequently been pronounced, the next course was to call in Mr. Harvey on the one side, and Mr. Lawrence on the other, and read the decision to them, and that he had done, acting in concur rence with the mayor.. How then did matters stand ? There had been f a judgment pronounced against Mr. Harvey, and that was conclusive as to that fact. If Mr. Lawrence did not go before the Court of Queen's Bench, his right was not pre judiced; for the question was bet Ween Mr. Harvey and an inhabitant of the borough, who filed the information. Mr. Lawrence, .then, if the! opinion of the three barristers were correct, would be right in demanding his seat ; and the coun cil would have to consider, whether they would deem it ex pedient, with that opinion before them, to oppose the ad mission of Mr. Lawrence. Then with regard to the course which ought to be adopted under these circumstances. Here was a return, signed by the alderman and assessors of the ward, which, coupled with the opinion of counsel, meant that Mr. Lawrence was returned. Therefore the alderman and assessors had done all that was incumbent upon them. Well, then, if the mayor was advised that by law Mr. Harvey was disqualified, and Mr. Lawrence elected, it became the duty of the mayor, for which he should seek no authority, to cor rect the erroneous publication made by him of Mr. Harvey's return, Therefore, he was not in any way committing the council by a new publication. The council had no occasion to give the mayor authority on that point; it would become his duty, if he were satisfied with the legal advice. If so, in due time Mr, Lawrence would make his appearance there and take his seat, He (the town-clerk) had only one word further to say, that in the situation he was placed, he must either have advised the council or the mayor to publish that Mr. Lawrence was duly elected, or, in ten days, to order the alderman and assessors to proceed with a new election. Mr. J. N. WOOD dared to say that the electors of Rodney street Ward would have no objection to a new election ; for they were prepared to return Mr. Lawrence by an immense majority. (L augh ter.) It was then agreed that the course recommended by the town-clerk should be followed, namely, that the mayor should publish an amended return. . ALLEGED NUISANCES. The memorial, signed by forty-eight persons residing in Hill-street, Mill-street. and the neighbourhood, complaining of a. nuisance caused by Mr. Harrison's steam flour mill, in Hill-street, together with the counter-memorial, previously alluded to, and the deputy town-clerk's report thereon, were then read. The deputy -town clerk reported that the com plaint, from the persons in the immediate neighbourhood, was well founded, although it might be quite true that many persons who had signed the counter-memorial felt little or no inconvenience, they residing at a greater distance. The principal sources of complaint were the noise and vibration caused by the working of thc. engine, and the smoke issuing from the chimney. Mr. SMITH said that, as lie understoOd, no greater smoke was caused by Mr. Harrison's mill than 13y any other steam mill in town, and he asked what would - be the consequence if this was deClared to be a nuisance, and the dealers in grain were obliged to go to .a distance to get their corn ground. Bread would become dearer, and the council would bring odium on itself. .fie moved that no information should be laid at present, especially as he understood that Mr. Harrison agreed to do all that he could to abate the nuisance. Mr. BUSHELL Seconded the motion. Mr.-Alderman EARLC recommended the council to be ex tremely cautious in interfering in these matters. The imple . - 'Melds of wealth ought to be tolerated, whatever little dis conifort might be caused to those persons living in the ,neighbiniring houses. There was one quality which he deemed necessary to constitute a nuisance, and that was the unhealthy tendency of the work or process complained of. Now, it seemed that .there was nothing of the sort in this nuisance; and if they went on the mere pled of discomfort, they might hinder the going on of a brewer's dray, because of the noise which it occasioned; they might hinder the opening of a butcher's shop, because the objects exhibited in it might not be agreeable to the sight. After some conversation, the general opinion seeming to be that the nuisance was not of such a nature as to call for interference, the subject was allowed to drop, on the under standing that Mr. Harrison would make the alterations ne cessary for lessening the smoke. The report of the Deputy Town-clerk, on a memorial com plaining of a nuisance caused by the chain cable manufactory of Mr. Willidm Gibson, in Bridgewater-street, was then read. It appeared that there were in the works seventeen fires,_ all having a distinct chimney, and many of th em v e ry low. Mr. Gibson, however, had agreed to make such an alteration as would materially abate the nuisance, namely, by turning the small chimneys into the larger one. It was moved by Mr. JOHN HULMES, seconded by Mr. PLATT, that Mr. Gibson should be requested to make the alteration. —Agreed to. , APPOINTMENT OF COMMISSION ERS. Four commissioners under the pilotage act were then ap pointed, in place of Messrs. Charles Lawrence, Vincent Higgins, John Cropper jun., end George Ramsden. The gentlemen appointed were, Messrs. Sandbach, Mather, Bu shell, and Quayle. Mr. Hugh Hornby was appointed commissioner under the Wallasey embankment act, in the room of Mr. C. Lawrence. Mr. Barclay was appointed a member of the St. George's Hall Committee, in place of Mr. C. Lawrence. THE SCHOOL QUESTION-PETITION OF THE PROTESTANT OPERATIVES. Mr. ISAAC HOLMES, having been called upon by the Mayor, rose to bring forward the motion of which he had given notice, relative to the memorial agreed to, at a recent meeting in the Music-hall, and signed by two thousand and fifty-six persons. Mr. Holmes said that a petition emanating from such a body, and so numerously signed,. was, in his opinbn, deserving of the utmost attention. He himself was present at the meeting where the memorial was adopted, and a more unanimous or enthusiastic assembly he had never witnessed. There were probably from fifteen hundred to two thousand present, and the resolutions were carried with such acclamations as could scarely be described. He was fully aware that the subject matter of the petition would again come under the consideration of the council, when the motion for erecting new schools was brought forward, and he should not, therefore, enter into it at much length ; but he was pre pared, when the motion was brought forward, to oppose it on the grdund that the corporation had in reality no surplus funds to appropriate to the building of new schools. That he was correct in the assertion' he well knew ; for, in making it, he had the full c o ncurrence o f an au dit or of he higlicst ability, Mr. James Bunnell, who agreed with him in stating that, during the last year, the council had expended fifteen thousand pounds more than their regular income. The last time that this subject was discussed, the member for Lime street Ward recommended that the gentlemen on his (the speaker's) side of the house should state What would satisfy them. Now, he could not take upon himself to do so—he could not answer for the whole of the church party for he knew they had differences upon minor points, and even though they were to have a meeting at the Angel, perhaps they would.still be unable to agree upon those points : for, there were many among them who would not be satisfied, like cer tain persons, with being mere cyphers, and they would per haps fly off at a tangent. But, though they differed upon minor points, they were unani m o us on th e g rea t p o i n t recom mended in the memorial, which was, that there should be separate schools in which the authorised version should be taught. With respect to that petition be must observe to the council, that there was not in it a single word about the mari ner in which the present schools were conducted. The me morialists merely came for Ward to ask that, if new schools were to be built, they should not be similar to those already in existence, which the petitioners consider anti-scriptural, but that they should be schools where the authorised version was read and taught. He himself opposed the schools, be cause in them were men taught the tenets of a sect so bigoted, that they think none can be saved beyond their pale. They seemed to consider that a sort of circle had been drawn around their sect, in the interior of which alone light was to be obtained, and that beyond it there was nothing but dark ness. It had been stated in that room, and, he believed, never contradicted, that when, some time ago, a question was put to a councillor as to why the Lord's Prayer could not be used in the schools; he replied that the rtOrnan Catholic priests said that they could not allow the children of their flock to act with Protestants, even though it were to repeat the Lord's Prayer. What ! was there a sect which con ceived that the vault of heaven was a vault of brass, through which the prayers of a protestant could not penetrate, and that if the prayers of a catholic ascended to heaven in con junction with those of a protestant, the ears of mercy would be closed ? If such is the case, but I sincerely hope it is not, what are we to think of the opinions of the cathaicS of Liverpool? For my own part, as I have already said, I should be satisfied with the exclusion from the schools of all catechisms, or I should be equally well satisfied to give up the present schools entirely to the Roman catholics ; but I do again contend that Roman catholics and protestants ought not to be mixed together for the purpose of education ; and from the opinions expressed by him with reference to catho liciSm, I should think that that is the opinion of the member of Lime-street Ward, if he would give his candid opinion upon that point. Mr. BLACKBURN.—That is not true. The "VI ATOR.—Youshall have an opportunity of speaking, Mr. Blackburn. I hope you will allow Mr. Holmes to go on without interruption. Mr. BLACKBURN. When a man outrages propriety so much as he has done, I am bound to stand up. The MAYOR.—He gave his own opinion merely of what you thought. Alr. ISAAC HOLMES.—Mr. Blackburn, if he (the speaker) were to judge from his (Mr B's) pamphlet, seemed much afraid of popish theology. It was nearly thirty years since he (Mr; H.) had attended dissenting • chapels ; but he must say that when he did attend them, he heard the " scarlet lady" vituperated more bitterly than he had ever since done. There was a hymn composed by Dr. Watts sung in those chapels, and he himself .had tuned it up, which invoked vengeance upon her. It ran as follows : " Great Babylon that rules the earth, Drunk with martyrs' blood, Her crimes shall speedily wake The vengeance of our God." This was sung at baptist and independent chapels ; but lie would recommend that in future it should be altered thus ; Great Babylon that rules the earth, The liberals' joy and hope, We'll teach her tenets in our schools— We'll bless and laud the pope. He muse say that, as a member of the church of England, he had never heard such vituperation, such rancour towards popery, as in the baptist and independent chapels, arid he had been in the habit of attending, sometimes one and some times the other. (Laughter.) Those days, however, had passed, and he now found that the great supporter of Babylon was the attender of those chapels which he had formerly attended. But it ought not to be forgotten that this was a protestant country, and that the council was a protestant council ; for, although there were members of different persuasions, and although there were Roman catholic mem bers, yet they were only admitted on taking an oath that they would not do anything against the protestant church of these realms. Mr. H. concluded by moving the following : " That in all schools henceforth to be erected at the expen: e of this council, the authorised version of the scriptures be taught to all the pupils or scholars therein." Mr. GEORGE WRIGHT seconded the motion. As no person rose to offer any remarks, the MAYOR asked whether any gentleTar . l had any observations to make. Mr. BOLTON.—We have completely discussed the question. (Cries of " Vote Vote.") Mr. BLACKBURN said that he had no objection to go to the vote at Once ; for he had no anxiety to go over a thrice told tale. He would, however, make a few observations. There were - three reasons why the council should reject the motion before them. In the first place-It was a disingenuous motion ; it aimed at one-thing, while it professed anOther". In the se cond place it was an unjust motion ; it called upon the coun cil to do that, the doing of which was essentially contrary to the dictates of natural equity. In the third place it was a persecuting motion ; it called upon the counc il t o i n fli c t un merited injury on a large portion of the community, whose affairs they were bound to conduct with justice and imparti ality. Any one of these reasons was sufficient to induce the council to reject the motion, and the three combined were sufficient to insure its rejection by a large majority. He had no apprehension, that while 4those who wow' had the ascend ancy in that council continued to have it, there would be passed a resolution of which it might with truth he said that it was disingenuous, unjust, and persecuting. What resolutions might be passed when a certain party, who looked forward to a majority, had obtained the ascenda,ncy, he would not say. Mr. Illitekburn-proceeded to dwell at, - ,,,01e length on each of the three teas s.. . lie. said that Holmes knew that if his motion were passed, not a single child would read more . of the authorised version than he now did. The children had free access to the authorised version, and used it upon all occasions, and it was as fully taught them as in the national schools, or in - any other schools. There would be no gain whatever; and the only object was to exclude the Roman catholics from a participation in the funds from which all should benefit. The motion was brought forward under the specious guise of teaching the children the scriptures. Why not have honestly said, that in all the schools hereafter to be erected, the Roman catholics should be excluded ! That was the real aim. (No, no.) He who desired the means desired the end ; and the supporters of the motion knew that if their object were carried out, the Roman catholics would be excluded. Now, that would be an act of injustice ; for all parties ought equally to partici pate in the corporate funds devoted to education; and the council cduld not, on principles of straightforward equity, do anything of the kind. Then, the object was a persecuting one ; it was a bill of pains snd penalties, to exclude Roman catholic children from the schools ; and he was sure that the council would sanction no such thing ; it would go on with the system that was so well adapted to all parties, and to the benefit of all-parties. It had been intimated that he acted contrary to his own secret convictions, in advocating a mix ture of children of different denominations. He threw back the imputation, and asserted that he acted with perfect con sistency. Because he advocated that mixture, it did not ne cessarily follow that he approved the opinions of Roman catholics. It was not, however, the business of the council to say who was right and who was wrong, but to deal justly and fairly to all, leaving all in the enjoyment of their own opinions. It had been boldly said that they taught the tenets of the church of Rome. He denied that. They did not teach any religious tenets, as a council. Gentlemen did not understand 'this ' or they were determined not to understand it.' An hour a day was set apart for religious instruction, during which hour the various denominations could send clergymen to administer religious instruction according to what plan they liked. The council did not say that the ca techism should be used, or that it should not ; but they left the matter in the hands of - the parties themselves. The speaker went on to contend that this was a system which had met with advocates among eminent churchmen, and in par ticular he cited the opinion of Dr. Daniel Wilson, the Bishop of Calcutta, who had sanctioned the establishment of schools in the East Indies, in which religious education was divided into two branches, special and general. The church cathe chism was not enforced, and Roman catholics were allowed the use of the Douay Bible and the Rhenish Testament. In fact, the system was there carried out to a greater extent than here, and the bishop had even gone to a length in liberalism that he (Mr. B.) was not prepared to go. Mr. SANDBACH rose to move an amendment, which, whe ther it was accepted or not, he wished to place on record. He proceeded, in the first place, on the principle which Mr. Blackburn had laid down as that on which the present cor poration schools were founded, namely, that all the inhabi tants had an equal right to participate in the benefit of the funds devoted to education. In the next point for which he should contend, he differed from Mr. Blackburn entirely. He maintained that the present system did not afford an equal advantage to all classes. The objection made to the old schools was, that they were exclusively confined to the Church of England, and he contended that the present schools were in the same position—they were alike exclusive. (" No, no," and " Hear, hear.") He thought that the memorial before them afforded sufficient proof of his posi tion. He did not contend for the catechism being used in the schools—for the Council, as then constituted, could not prescribe the teaching of any form of document—but he thought that the Bible stood on a different footing, as every one must admit that, being the book which had been given by a Power above all for the benefit of all, the Council, if it were bound in its public capacity to provide education for those who had not the means of obtaining it, were bound above every thing to provide that which was the most impor tant of all education. He considered it as proved that schools conducted on one system could never meet the wants of a whole community. Mr. Sandbach alluded to his hope, expressed at the last meeting of the Council, that the amend ment he should bring forward might be accepted as a com promise, and said that he approached this subject more cool ly than the older members, who bad been so ofte n engage d in this discussion, a n d without connection with either party. He did it in compliance with a promise made to his consti tuents. The amendment moved by Mr. Sandbach was as follows :—" That all the inhabitants of the borough have an equal right to participate in the benefits of the education provided at the charge of the borough fund. That very large numbers are, by their conscientious objections to the system of education pursued in the present corporation schools, vir tually excluded from any direct participation in the benefits of it for their children. That, in order to afford all the ad vantages which are now confined to those who approve (or whose scruples are not such as to compel them to forego the use) of the present schools,—that the new schools, about to be erected, be conducted on a different system. That the chief and paramount object in the future corporation schools shall be to instil into every child a knowledge of the Divine Revelation contained in the New Testament, and that every other kind of useful knowledge be made secondary and sub servient to that." Mr. CASE said that he would second the amendment with great pleasure, if it referred to a new school, and not to all the new schools about to be erected. It had been determined some time ago that two new schools should be built. Now, he wished to know whether Mr. Sandbach wished to interfere with the system in those two schools ? Mr. SANOBACH said that his amendment had reference to those. Mr. CASE then declined to second the amendment. Mr. COOPER, however, seconded it. Mr. BLACKBURN wished to know whether, by the Bible, Mr. Sandbach meant the authorised version ? Mr. SANDBACH replied in the affirmative. Mr. Alderman FREME—Then the amendment and motion are the same thing. -. I\iTifODGSON - did not think that either the motion or the amendment was a matter.of much importance ; 'for the fate of both was well known beforehand, He said that the gen tleman who had spoken in favour of a mixed system of edu cation seemed to be undecided as to what was wrong and what was right—what was truth and what was error. He would ask whether, in mere temporal matters, the gentleman who had spoken with so much ability, as he often did (nil Blackburn), would exercise the same indifference with regal"; to the opinions of persons entering that chamber as he ha" expressed with reference to spiritual matters ? Was he ' 0 indifferent about the concerns of eternity that he would g° pari passe with that which he conceived to be dam nable error ? Mr. CURRIE hoped that the dominant party in the coun cil would continue to be so, because he was of opinion th at they had advocated the cause of truth snd justice. H e coin plimented Mr. Sandbach on the independence manifested by him on this occasion, and was happy to sea the calm mann e t r i in which the discussion had been conducted: He suppo rte the system pursued in the schools of the corporation. f Mr,, Alderman EARLE - felt deep i n t eres t i n the we lfare o these excellent and scriptural schools founded, as they wt: te ' upon true Protestant principles ; therefore it was i he could allow the question to go to the vote Without saying a t the same word. He was certainly of a hot temperament, but, same time, he wished to keep his temper. Bilt when the re schools were assailed by gentlemen appointed to teach the way of truth, he hoped, if he happened to lose his temper , h, e should be excused on that ground. He would not Lurks the question. Had the petition come from a body of his fellow townsmen who spoke their own sentiments without being . under the control of any priestly influence, it would be the d if the duty of the council to hear what they had to say, an their request could not be complied with, at least to giv e them a courteous reply. But it came befcre them under 1 1 ° such circumstances. Much bad beeu said about the petition; but he was certain one-half of the signatures had been signel by one hand. (Hear.) Talk of two thousand having slg"e, , inpo,oble it ! Why he Would answer for it thet not one thousand Ilan' (Hear, from the whin.) It came into the council chamb er with a letter recommending it to special notice from the Re v .' Hugh M'Neile. (Hear.) That gentleman bad been their greatest enemy, but fortunately, he had not injured thew la Mr. the least ; but at all events, it was quite c lear that APNeile thought his•writing of a letter with it would in" troduce the petition with some weight. Before, however, he sat down he should prove that that letter ought to hav e no weight whatever. The petition in s hort w as the result of one of those Amphitheatre fasces in which the rev. gentleolo! was accustomed to play the prim° ti, (Cries of oral)), He was ill order ; he was speaking facts, and should see s ,, nothing but facts, of the people who i. lived the;emounte hanx tricks, whether they wore a black or a blue coat. The rev. gentleman'S vanity was insatiable e he went about the coun ty S denouncing them (the corporation schools, we suppose) a n f he very rarely did so without showing a striking examp le fd tile little attention he paid to that bo o k t o w hich he accu sed them of paying - no regard, the Bible. tie said.that the r,e v ' t gentleman seemed to pay so little attention to that book t ll o me m g it almost s aspect that he had nothing but a inut i ,", fated copy of it in his own library-a copy from which all those texts that enjoined. peace, charity, and a•ood-will tot,- wards all men were cut out. He (Mr. Alderman Lane) tie call to mind the Fisher-street story. What was that don" , II for? W. hy merely to give the rev. gentleman an opportull--.. to malign the Rolnan Catholics, and of bearing false witn i e l against them. The other day, at Sheffield, before a We e ` " Protestant slobs, he ridiculed a worthy and excellent towns" man, who had done much fcir the education of the hewe r orders : there the rev. gentleman told a story not founded in fact. A minister of truth ought n o t t o do the se timings ; bu t he (Mr. Earle) had a much graver Charge. He was speaking on these points because the Tey'. kentleman had "attacked for he (Mr. Earle) was in his own place here, and he coul d i not answer Mr. M`Neile id his pulpit. Upon one ocessiot he used a base insinuation against a worthy man in the coestin eil—Mr. Blackburne, who answered him in his excellent " v e „ . fence of the Liverpool Corporation Schools " page 14. ".",:; M`Neile had said that Me. - Bitekburne had' questioned the authenticity of the Gospel of St. Mdrk.—(The speaker b e '; read Mr. Blackburne's answer to the allegation, which an's° amounted; in substance, to no more than that the alleged, sertion was a calumny.) What honest man, proceeded rot Earle, could stand under such an accusation as this? 1 • to the rev. gentleman had not dared to open his lips, in rel'. ! ' r it, from that day to this—and so he looked upon every Ole opponent. If it should be said he had an unworthy ant s il; nist, and kept silence from that circumstance, there oue!1,1,„. something in that, but who did not know the integrity ot 0 -" d Blackburne'a character?. He (Mr. Earle) need not deft to it. _Thus Mr. M`Neile had, from that day to this, refusedfor give an honest man the only recompence he could giv e , having calumniated him—that of acknowledging his errors and expressing his regret for having fallen into it. This " a thew: the man, and such was he who would lead the governiinai astray upon the subject of education, and have the edueatiml of the whole children in the town under his sole control' le man who had been guilty of this double dealing.—Pir• 9 r cl here referred to his notes, and continued.) No ; he never a,,, moral courage to reply,though considered by some of his frie .., so lion-hearted. He (Mr. Earle) did not know whether alit' ge id tleman had read the trash uttered at that meeting ; it w awa ij to have been received with uproarious applause, and he had no doubt it was, for the bulk of the meeting was coinP ° i, a t of the old freemen of Liverpool, and every body knew w , their uproarious applause was. Ile would venture to ,st. there were not a hundred persons there who could write tn!,, names. Mr. M`Neile insisted, as usual, that the Bible l i ", excluded from the corpora Coe schools, end . talked some, lit', sense about the corporation to tithing heresy and inh ue t her and bowing down to images, and he knew not wha t u ~,i-friathy friathy trash, but such it was. Now the Bible told us o ti - rs t derstand and examine before we blanied—to Understand,' t his and then rebuke. That was the Bible, he believed. 113 ' . i n ed truth-loving divine ever yet eatered the schools, c s a u L" gr and understood them ? Dr. Tattershall was the only Ina!' e' m, titular intelligence among these fanatics who met at the , o , phitheatre, and he said that the Bible was in the schools. dea l he (Mr. Earle) . would take the Doctor's word a gre t a t is l e ee before he would take Mr. M`Neile's. Did Mr- I \i ‘ o v acknowledge the divine truth—" Train up a child i ll the ~' he should go, and when he is old he wilt not depart frow i ( t ie d or did he deny it? If he did not deny it, he himself atliu - i „ $ a striking instance of the truth of it, for lie was b° ll o , l here country where nothing but religious discord existed, d, an d hatred between Protestant and Catholic was petlictu ste e rev in which the rev. gentleman had been brought up. T .), heel gentleman still maintained the hatred in which he liau e t ee brought up. If he wished to see children brought 1 4 ) . 1 100 1s. way they should go, let him go into the corporation He would there see the pleasing spectacle of a niu ' u c b ris r ,„-, ° g f children of all denominations joining together, and ti e d ; he uniform pleasure from the instructions they recei‘ e e, Too must also examine them, and he would find them highZ ai rd go 'ficient in every part of the Bible. If Mr. M`Neile w oil there lie would see these things • and if, after that, anY ee to could deny this, he (Mr. Earle) said, he was a disgra _4, human nature. This was the excellency of the systenoa:l7o after all, the meeting was merely a political meeting) moils clearly s ^ wit by the concluding remarks. Mr. leg o 0 told them to turn out of the room and exhibit thenases;e_o.o, i r the day o the election ,_ andthus the cloven foot was i t l ere Mr. M`Neite was a bold man at this time of day, wh en ..ora was so much schism amongst themselves, to come geoid It and have the question discussed at that council rneetitte•oll was a very extraordinary proceeding, he thought. 1,, were recollected the manifesto of the clergy when the seho o. ', ite rgi established. They were then bound to see that the l e ss ol and church catechism were the very first thirea ; that if they did not insist on that, they would be a cting w ful trary to their duty to God and to their sovereign. H° ate lo• a precipice did they now stand on ! In their ( 7 eollegr _lad, stitution, professedly belonging to the church of J l e u e g d alr they had thrown over the catechism ! Why, his, fi s l i d` Smith shuddered at the thought of it. (Lauhter.) , Ile ,„ o ver at the thought of time church ministers having thlr e `"(mr. the catechism, and being on that terrible brink. "%el no t Earle) was warm, like his friend Mr. CUrrie, and he et,' eon and th ) 0 ,,. help it. (Laughter.) Now, Mr. Wray was perfee-*:, did sistent in all he . did, and though he (the speal;_Ti eon not admire that gentleman's bigotry, he admired i'''„f the sistency. He - could not say so much for wanY' e d tc; others. How did those gentlemen who were oirsesorleita him get out of the difficulty ? These fishermen, °_,. e su re 11 .„ as they told us from the apostles of old, but he seas i „ the!: could not trace their descent from any resernblaitelesieilw character, were at present fishing and bobbing for L o ok sui and Presbyterian gudgeons, and they baited th :r_ w i e cordingly.. They knew the gudgeons would not bite, salvo;'. it. But what a compliment did they pay to therin n ot ii u t are worth nothing to us but for your money, we w too g re'l rogues, and are going to upset the church, or Y e h i n d t n mit you upon our committees. No ; you are either e are to be honest, and would see the rogueries we play ~/ , ,or scenes"— ~ it the "'Mb Mr. R. GLADSTONE rose to order. He pui- to . do je t whether the Collegiate Institution had anything to the subject under discussion ? t en , ou tion will no a tt Mr. Earle, (loudly)—I am s p ea king to t h e mo 'P t Mr. Gladstone (vehemently).—Sir, y to put me down by bullying. d whi ch siere i l' they - the ought not to be tolerated in that council, and 1 -„ - „.. it h Mr. SHELL said that he had heard vvords uttere-; e peated he would bring them before the council, " Lome,name of the person using them, whoever he was., ~_e wo r_ r. The MAYOR.—What was it ? He had not heard t o ir e , 31 Mr. SHEIL.—The word " bully" was made use i u/ Gladstone. it The MAYOR.—I did not hear it. • 11 to d e l at Mr. SHELL.—Mr. Gladstone is too candid a ma _ e a la , The MAYOR.—I did not hear the word bully, ,f e o treti sure, if Mr. Gladstone did use it, he will withdraw, ant sive expression. I have not heard from Mr. Ear l, j i?„ v ,; r nali expression unbecoming him. Mr. Gladstone t th e withdraw. considers allied by Mr. ROBERTSON GLADSTONE said, he c subject of the er /°) sac Mr. Earle, in the most unwarrantable mann d, • , , sured - 11 fof posing that some concession had been grante_ eel _ alat t e r .(r. proceeding ought, with Mr. Earle, to have b 1 d sarcasm- ,J:1`0, commendation rather than for his anger an to the Insia,_, Collegiate Institution had been intrudu° s uP' Earle had not been called on for contribution to , e bu d e 0 1 ' , tion, nor had the majority of that counic:. 111 1 : ( r eusaa ; e objection to withdraw the expression he l l a that thins .gl lies provided it was conceded by the counci ..,__, ; _ her which had fallen from Mr. Earle had juet ti t y n e ,,r, ot a a t ) those application of it. It was only the othertdo , r ip, t h a Le ge of this council was told by one opposed n be very n ice jer a u trusted . that the councillor who had called / press' who used hard words ought themselves to the e this occasion, would be equally particular in t I „ o Oa e the to Or d be made use of. have taken no part which is not pe rfe ctly _ impartou .e b esrd you should withdraw. Do you withdraw ‘,O, have The MAYOR.—You will do me the justice tO e s :l thin cl Mr. ROBERTSON GLADSTONE. -1 do; but I - ao , tte, • what I have just stated."' . th at to , e rlc, coming before the council, has laid himsestiba conatu open to 114 he The MAYOR.—Mr. INl`Neile by writing. and any member is entitled to make - -Mr, that ; a chooses. Mr. ROBERTSON GeansToNE. -- coinpetent ev.,olly, M`Neile is a public man, but amply h wese ,„ , j u di m himself whenever he is attacked. He, o c' le i 4 • e icNei ee l. is not the Collegiate Institution. but Mr' - t the ''''' I grant o & leo Mr. GLADSTONE.—I grant that ; ver, is 11°- Ins legiate Institution, d with that competent to defend himself. He, The MAYOR.—Mr. M`Neile 'is connected a __ ion . ror I • et under disc sa tion ; ' o w e tion,_ and that bears on the subje . pro tec ~.„ d s to for your ..., eit a 0 . Mr. EARLE.—I thank you, sir, friend tbe co to should be sorry to quarrel with lily fully ready But, at the same time, I am they are sueo _ eve nt , _ duct of the clergy, when I see that their power to P',,, t i t tl i : howe us, and that they had done all e i xeeent as it i , ear la iviis u_. carrying our object into effect, e t ft to Lau ile ter- 5 o vereign. Iw i 00 tte r their duty to God and their ill stick W the rat this I c el. not always pleasant to hear th that. lam like a terrier, w I Litt: Mr. Currie, that ~ angr.Y v ie/ Mr. BUSHELL agreed at sides without im , ha d in_ o f ought to be discussed on 9 b d that the end th . e n Y the sp ii v i e i eo ings, for he was convince eh more effect i l _,, t he re ,1: 10 might be advocated with intileeling than :i e" ( "I cons ulted ° P e it good temper, gentlemanly Holmes : 1101111 ES 11 . truth told— 11 to lO W t il Y t course was adopted. Bush drools leap f c uurs los' ) '• for a season, because he (11 • the s. influence e very, ens o f had an opportunity of visiting some deb d e ll .1" the oPi"w lie nions out of doors must in s ob e ue'a ect not to take _ „ Li ch e ii but it had always been his upon the subject, he sholuflldirhave advised him had n° opt to hear e a e s tdd, „iv evidence be, :s o wn I t I,e could, to collect all t 1._. 1 to draw 1 i i ,; „ broug t hey; from the facts before him t should be a.g% b e fore icee er others but to judge for sions. When this subjae id lay his "'Pre an d ; P r itY i° fore the council, he should er they ' nigh " g reat in s i la uell 0 and the town, and, whatev those °f thee - tcd , ina su ' ailing much they might differ fromwoui _ ihiniself ; dbe need 1n5,.140 that room, lie trusted they honest opanon-, the Caller, iher, 1 e d, 11 regard to , i. so bsci f „ c ern t like party spleen. 1 W'rt ,, to say, h e w" h c 'sni wa s " ° ,l of t " roum.a..i9i, over: to which, he. was WWI)/ the ratec l they would be hone one of those who, so far a was theot beautiiidis v f tii:i _. : 4 and uninfl9iate li ie 0 3 fblea vhich cared nothing, if the Bible, e „ which. e r , the li a ' l lie care d c....., a up -J. In. . catechism, and the raised, were pu,. structure had been e ts of the' chisur....vi i 3 children, with the comi_n done, ~ the ote not, provided this were do ti r teachers hicu _ 0 re,