The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser. — Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1833-04-19 00:00:00

4 ) , --. . . - . e..... _ ~. e • 'ad ean pnly one•executiou. Ili-183 14 2, oof glair 'acre h ad been. only fain exeditlobs'; and in. this ' believed it would be found that theae whirl Were :editions for huusebreaking*ere in reaate -e-xecu ;lary-. He had teen Informed That this was the rity in whhar lie placed the Froatest confidence . . 4e, Wane two - team in 'London an d Middi esexi a l 'mkt bean li2 convictions for this offence, 14 '' . ! orie irxeontion. It was true that it wits staled that &32 one execution had taken Ideate :hut that etas a. eaecuttota alluded to was that of Drewitt, anoi. d 3 ertaittly nit housebreaking, but bu rg l ary . arjee6 l ViZ., l O bb ery, &c., no distinct mention was the returns, but he supposed it was included under Id of lareeny, are. And with reepeuttothat offence, „' .„ tet rt le .es shots'? Why, that out of eight hunlrhundred'' wi had beeti convicted of taut offence in hag lee, fa nner-at oniv had been executed. That in Ifielar, ass tonvietett, none were executed. In 18d1, out a l 'e . , ativitted, only one was execu t e d, and to) on. rm and 141(allesea, during the. last three years, but one exeetition, and during the two years pre • th ree wears there had beets but erre executioa . in ' 'ere tlie:a,*AS exprestred, in the strongest paY,,ar.'le ‘ Pjeet aria called th e tacit thsapprobation (a s Il_ alseketnition of them. If i n ti le ti me o f Sir S. " 21 been admitted to have been a grave eharg,e aeti that nit One in twenty of Burge woo were con e'ellted, what could be said of a law of that sort to 90 \vas executed? In such a state of things it lb Pretend that the law could be any terror to 'e eriatieall, where-the chances were so trdeati y u k i sure to calculate ou the chance of escape : t ut al the injured and the iimocent. Tho d s 9e e s wn u ( t ) . that ... tttw ai,nto, the subject knelt that when its e ' alt t e ' "owed, as it was said, to take its . course, the bla g „d , tO make many persons more suiwtiling to i f ac. k ale, ilue)- Were before 'and to increase the number o L',of a l ; e re there were pi' esecations nail to tiring about that . A4l, e a t tl gs so well described by the present Archbishop of 'lleria " e says that he at w . th instances in his own neigh tkleiete 4bruleilrlle.. of ah n e Y best t character not only refusing to kaa °alma. in every way to promote the escape or . .the . aj ttici t ose the k w :L. 1 floutceddeath against the offences, and itikatea,"' brrhgtherneebres to incur even the remote aed al- , ;ariat' s - arY riek of ea-,;me• g a thief to that fee. Ile twirl in t tillit• - " I lle tables which -in 7 ed bevoral all poesibe j it a y rie o s f I kke '')4 '' des ' PI" ' • . I, thc,.,,,,.. , the tact of the unaillitignese of slatia-;eaes arstrumental in giving effect to the eaugui t re h ti ato I len ts err our code. The hononiable gentlemen' Mere 'alreae-tt exinnitatiun of Air Wrig,litson's tables, showing [ l') ottarLef ihdictruents itstel entre . ietions for a series of years. ,' l staa - I . 4ttew, too, that the punishment of death had been I tp l a tiT eel Tuseiniv for tt period oC 1.10 years. It was re tai: - ~a)" .t' lis 4 a n e t a lkiii !) . 'or' BuonaParte, and hall not saniebe , en I , inflicted. but 0 lle p e i l , woh it was very rare ) . , er t o a Yea rs • 'the not swell known was, that durang a p i 1 , ,,,,, ti in that state taking three periods of tlil Y e '''r s.--t le til e 2 11gtl e abolition, the '2 - 0 during' which it was abolished, tb s ill' . -equentiv—fewer crimes had been conan . 44se P e riod of th -abolitionthan ' either the preceding ai, 14 14 . e e thei -11 a CaSe w h ic h more home to tbernseet l!th, r tre.ti feel;.came ose at th e , ....ngs, it was well known that during the r iev ., noeble and kind-hearted man, Sir J'. Alm ki ro e * hi ss) 7r . to be mentioned without feelings of deep regret ( t tis irree e wd a ' 11- ,, e eorder of Bninbay, a period of seven yews:, A tev er „".°L dehtiravas entirely discontinued. It the ex e • a 0, , -a s te fail, its failure. might have been expected °,f a 11 , - I . r e as clalihay—a. ereweled finlian sea-pprt, c2tri ; , resoh;e (l- i and even „hif.tinz population. but . 11, ha (ls c ia,. ~t• from t had b een most saa •eattful, for Sir J. Mack to r -e" T he tl beach nitt-:- his' l - charge, when he was he is eavitgland; that the '4t etlitn to ' in dl i s a t s rirt had been g t o . v c e ti r i nae e d . ' W4S* at iee,tl4letshrnent, and with - no-increase.° - b ite. ad er :- , not at that moment advocating any such ritteh aeon in th • all he asked was, to make Celizaseligtheenpacra.tracteicract.s e pi;:' e rrilab . , :! ' to d - Va r t i i ‘ t a , with a few excep t° bring iu a bhl, tt li t3thre ti'liTit t (u o e fre t° fl e bo lis e h. ° t h h td e aj p e unishment of death alto pl of death to ,aive the ?' i la-- 1) ." - er at aria discretion punishing the crim -1 veafisorunent aria Ite r i k rs, or b y i mnri e so a u labour, or by transportation for 44 till li afterward', 1 1 .i 'llnent an hrd labour first, and -* .ed that, under such te e , at, Crillle '• . e w as c°ll"nc • f being pu tes,lll th e , no w would be much more certain o la,' ab ject' : were, which every one would admit to be aa w b s r .'Sa "li': be aimed at in all legislation with a view to re, 14 a i ti a e L . hen. member concluded by moving for l e -°. kV - "11l for the repeal cf so much of the 7th and 141111 ed eeter-'an,.. 29, enacts, that if any person shall a Y, o r . aad welling-house and steal therein any chat kitt,3',,soehtt,4l,ollable eenu - rity, to any value whatever, or shall l 'e - i',, 411 Y p4 ler tY, to any value whatever, in sucha ot "R eort,i n s ,'° the being put in fear, every . a of r q lteuroe..cyp''`ed thereof shall suffer death as a tele . k (if ' -!. ~rhui,ipEltat expressed his desire to see the se 'kt bur %le lelit e eode mitigated, but thought . that for all tl ; eltkg-la.re, ante, those Which threatened life—such as be " the n„71.14 ercon—the punishment of death ae i (lisp ns --,'tal feelings of mankind, and could not e it Z; ll ie l l , ti l eal L ed ' a e : '" l ,' It (maid not be denied that the severity ti 'etlautia-•°` Engla.nd, as it stood some years age,. le tb aali zed Iv _lnjurious to tins national character througlhl a-,",easures h ail but it - must not be fo . rgotten that ii t a t , s 3 hap„ ,_ (1 beeri adopted for mitigating that severity, ' t ti. Seii,,eflit'•e„..Ta:.aY, that even since the present ministers '' W ere' l '' hor se '• session for instance—coining, forgery, La% an ea ,se-stealing and robbery in a dwelng-house . , ,ke.-LeOly --fttal Offence's, were made punishable by.tra.ns ,:klr tt• le Arould adai l it th severity of' the criminal I lar t ld el s a at ;etY be still fu sheer miti,onted. The - country Ilitaais'4,,,..ou,iigation, to tl r ri'ght hob. member for Tam a' CI leh\Lt'otla on this sTilanct • but he was at a loss to t.,t)tltee,„"et.bad. increased ihe severity of the law in the dtielle 0-f r a'‘, 11) g. As the law now stood; if a boy shentld Itt. ) , 4 eal a Tess in the shop of a pastrv-cook in the day e e t ti - uu tt, he would 'f the shop door were fastene . d, iW4frell CaU estir •k• 1 he user 4t ae of e ee ing. It, however, appeared to him e p re . otering a. - house and putting the inhabitants illce, 3 ot el aely the same character as•highway roDoe y, 're st '.ath e 4 lass to understand why there should be a_tiy r v et i'lloishrnent a i lied to the two offences. fie k t i ll, th:th,itliself the right of proposing-ata future stage / ft a ' ll the - ,It should be l- eontined to the 'Offence of house ' tZ t shl ' 4 Y - time without putting any * person in fear. 4 .4 tfe e that the house should proceed with some deli lair4t,tb,er%ttltbieca: He really felt' some degree of appre ,,/ atctoere were of motion on the paper for amendments ia 'eel: e s:4 I.i, e r.e no less thanten relative to'the ertinul e, -el l. to e "`, ll 'e to the civil law. Would it not be bet e c 4.4 ore4trS WllO had given these notices to ot wait a wt , 0, 4.a i, o aee whether some plan m , ight i n a b de• kat o .:, `VaeN".°lform revision of the laws . ( I r l that out t nti ,rely concurred in the . stiggest: 4t. it . . y tn e e • 11 , 1 1a orio7 i t ' i l i 'l tbe acted by e " ; which an hhar.) on. and - learned t•soheitoi-General, thcscrto whom i .r S. t l'e Sit J. 11: 1 . 4 1 . 5 t 2 0 veers he ppot Q Wee h baa to; -cattltoSif. in their r etorts to reform the qaa „",„offeee,,a)s' thought that a broad distinction ex- ora-aiett'b's directed against propertv, Which , anigli V ltia lfsh ai a t e t st t , l Y ae c l utl e v, l, 4.. an h c d those which - no precaution dieposed . to . apply 411 1 1 i '' 1 . 1 (111 P bis-ta to both tii s el n ff o eti ni c e e a s n : s Every individual !k house 5h01114,33e had a 8 right to expect that the pro,r tree o.aliclette .Protected. In his opinion, a robber ISii e food n .e pith.ttiey,i ii persons in fear ought tubeplaccd le s i t P li 'd b gr, ?sPeet:t puniihment as a hi g hway . i e y at th e e - airy t ° house ganctimr the - prltl- Ject s h , • pr ese 0 see the ... asi.... (nll4. be rarPt moment, and - he thought . _ that the e ;: .., : a d t n in e : e u f p t to b lin i•:; l ;r i r e ed to a committee, which would It -n.the oglit - a - t ta i w oqf • of the crown. house could arrive at no useful o lttuitticisbluents s-h-ats subject until a regular system f i Itt ft.tssaa sahieutal have been - adorned. _ - Oin ; 31.° gore n ' toat if the- bon: member for at a . idon• 'kri` t9 ' a ted to i r te tir an assurance that •a . commission vis e hi,,,„ m e iltib l igilt th'" e ti t ° Zit - J; ( 7 r i nto - all offences--againstproperty, t aw his motion; but at the same it't•,, dell he rs e .„Part of - the lion - Member's proposition 60it,4 .Lueelered-r.s. 'Prepared ao accede to it: at m . 44 tue rigour o f th e favourable to all propositions tial;niP°wer be„.7l',l.etarimirral code: It was said that e ht) eut he 0r,...-elen the - severity. of the laws might NI t t l, of ase Jetted to the mitigation being lett , t a ) th e ex„„ ..tribenaL (Ilear.a• The hon.anam leg- their ci`"Prileiwllicb ot h er countries were setting s i.. bstractrly:fiao.ll,jititrib:_p,ltrele. and observed; that, illikhul, a. naid s ' that in allicao:il:l:tri were mild cosi 1aw, , . ; ct n i t l a r e Oduced•npon the total s good, lideause Wired where such codes existed, the ettineaa sa i d that thou 'manners. (limn) . l 'a t o E t u li b e ject beferieun&tell (hear:) was tinaegaainted a vri d th eei t ) ll; -R aie - Peopl e of T., louse,. it was tine •,... _ ~u !to i t . w W ONS e ho -L-I,.alaud that he could ma. refrat biche his. o w ,' 4 tale occasion. Eecry gentleniati l a i e ir,o,id stiEiLler°ject f L Or 't tin the lan, and he, With th• l ' e 'Y hart,,before he s a itt e draa g ir, and W•bich fair " Is sae'. p irer& was one deep; jeet whlab: exeited- hid diapleaaute, he. 0 ' 1 e ilt Lt ua C t ' 0 to la had almost said disgust, tied that. was the everlasting references to France and Ametien, iu snider to influence the opinions of :people in England, which had set au example .to the whole. ' \Multi of framing laws for ensuring the liberties of mankind L- -. Elngland, which was laid to have been the cradle of liberty. Whs should we be always looking abroad to see what other countries were thinking of us, and to see What America, and, ktbove all, what France was doing? As to what France Was, doing relative to the anielioration of the lags he knew nothing, stbd wisliesl to known untiring, but front the accounts which he' had seen dale manner in which juitice was diepenSed in French . Omuta, he would say, the Lord deliver him from French courts' of justice. (A laugh.) Han. nieinbers who boar:it:6d so much of the excellence of thc,laws in America did not seem to be aware• that they were no other than the — English laws. At the time the independence of the United states was established they made a solemn. bargain that they ghotild enjoy the common and - statute'law of Isuglasid, 'which they oraiwea as their birth sight. Gracious God tinder these circinutalices was it not a lit tle too much that Men should go to America to learn how to make daces for this country? Acargo of lair was shipped from Liver pool to 'America to be mixed up with the law there, but he hoped that they would laugh at the stuff when it should be brriaghtlmek. He had liven hi America about ten years and a half altogether, and was acquainted with mans , intelligent per sons there, and ationgst -others with severallawyers, and they all concurred in stating that every departure, which had been made from the law of England was a change for tee worse. NoTirftirlirtiloreet Pik iittehng The law. It Iris this: he word& go back to the period when Geo. 111. ascended the throne, and titkimg all the acts whiCh had been 'passed sihce that tune relative to the criminal late, he Weld(' fling them into thelire. (A laugh.) It was with surprise he had heard the Sodeitor-General, for whom he entertained Sortie • respect, because he believed his in tentions to be good,—it Wits With some surprise that - he heard 'him talk of fiirther s mitigations of the - severity of the criminal cede. Vaal had belnt s said, for litany years past, of softening the crintiaial code, but he had watched the' proceedings of Par . hamert pretty closely, and as far as related to the common . • people, he had seen that code, at every roiling round - of the' un, grow harder and harder towards then). Din lint the Solicitor t.leneral kiioiv that magistrates, at their quarter sessions, could now transport a man for seven years foe poaching? (Hear.) To be sure the punishinent of the •pilloiy had been abolished. In a thoughtless moment the judges sentenced a lord to stand in the pillory. It was immediately discovered to be a - barb - aro& • and inhuman punishment,—tme which could •only have been thought of by our ignorant ancestors, and it was put an cud to at once. Another lord put an end to his existence, and the practice of buiving suicides in cross-roads was not long suffered to continue. He waS;sometlines wicked enough to wish that a lord. would 'go out poaching, and then the cruel laws on that subject Would be abolished to a certainty. (A laugh.) Was it not monstrous that a man could he transported for seven years Or being in pursuit of a hare or a pheasant, which, iu law as Well as in reason, was as much the property of the poor as of the rich? (" No, no.") He questioned whether any lawyer would cry " No;" the Solicitor-General would not. He re pezted that genie was the property of all mankind—of the poor as Well as of the rich. There was another little law under which a mall could be hanged for resisting a earn g keeper ; but he never heard of any attempts to mitigate its severity. A man who defended himself against a gamekeeper who wished to take him, in order to have him transported for following a hare, was guilty of a capital offence. This was a new law, not one framed. by our ignorant ancestors, and under it no less than forty men had, within the last twenty years, been hanged by the nobility and gentry of England, in order to preserve their game. (thir- Murs.) Ay, let that resound in their ears when they were talk= ing, about softening the criminal code. They had not that law in America. Formerly it was a capital offence to break into a' hobo and steal to the value of 12(1.; that sum was subsequently raised to 40e.; but the persons who made the alteration did not Consider the change which had taken place in the.value of mo tley, for at the time the law was enacted 12d. would buy two tat sheep. It had been said that crime in this country had in cl.-eased in consequence of the want of education. He had hoped never again to hear that asserted, because nothing could be mitre contrary to the fact. Let any person draw four columns, and set down the amount of taxes, of poor -rates, of crime, and of education, at the period when George 111. ascended the throne, anti at the present moment, and he would find that they had ail gone on increasing together. It was impossible for any one who did not blind himself to the fact to fail to pereeiVe that taxation was the cause of the increase of crime. The hon. Member for Maldon had talked of the want of a country police. He was sorry to .hear a country gentleman utter such senti ments. At the time the hon. member was born no one felt the Want of a country police. England had for centuries mocked at the French on account of their gendarmerie, who acted. as *pies on the soldiers as well as the people,. and now it was pro posed to introduce them here. The gendarmerie, however, did not prevent the burning of the title-deeds of the nobility, and driving them out of the country, and, if Parliament did not re trace its steps, the establishment of a country police, and the patching up of the criminal code, would not prevent the occur rence of similar events in England. Mr. HILL regretted that a man of the talents of Mr. Cobbett should clothe himself in the worn-out vocabulary of prejudiced invective, so long worn only by the ignorant and the malevolent. If the hon. member's argument was good for anything, it was for their returning omnino to the state of things which obtained in his lauded golden era of 1776. They should re-adopt the bloody penal code of that period; they should re-enact the ca pital punishments for minor offences then in force, with all the baneful consequences of such sanguinary enactments. The hon. member had referred to the governments of America and France as superior to s those of England. Pray, when did the hon. member make the discovery of the superior itv of the insti tutions of France and America ? There was a writer whom he (Mr. Hill) had read with much advantage, who had, over and over, ably and eloquently maintained the very opposite, and that, too, as au observing eye-witness, and that writer was Wil liam Cobbet. (" Hear," and a laugh.) Why will a man so gifted thus descend to pander to the worst prejudices of man kind, whether to-day against the Jews, or to-morrow against the French ? (Hear, hear.) He would give the motion before the house his best support, because experience had demonstrated that a certain minor punishment was a far more effectual pre vention of crime than our present uncertain severe one. Leave was then given to bring in a bill. CHURCH REFORM. Mr. FAITHFULL, pursuant to notice, rose to submit to the house-a proposition in reference to the established church. His resolution divided itself into three heads, each involving a se parate principle of-great public importance. The first was, that the church of England, as by law established, was not recom mended by practical utility; the second, that its revenues have always been subject to legislative enactments; and, thirdly, that the greater part, if not the whole, of these revenues, ought AO be appropriated to the relief of the nation. The resolution :was not brought forward by 'him in any spirit of prejudice or hostility to the church of England. It requited no great acute ness to distinguish the church from the establishment: he re verenced the one—he detested 'the latter. Up to the period of the Protestant Reformation the clergy were considered to be entitled to only one-third of thntithes, which were divided•into three parts—one•fOr the church, one fur the poor, and the other • for God's servants. The greater part of our church revenues were derived from our Catholic ancestors, and had been trans ferred to the Protestant' clergy- by act hf Parliament. Could this have been done if they were not nati, , nal property? The hun. member then proceeded to.itiveigh -against, the arm-Chris tian character of the exorbitant church revenues of England, and to liken -the • church of England, in tins particular, to-that of Rome. Many lion. members urged a system of reduction of taxation upon ministers. But what was the noble lord to do ? Was he to sponge out the national debt, or put down the army ? Ifthe national debt 'was to remain, if the army was to remain, and the navy-was. to remain, it was the highest inconsistency to . call upon his Majesty's ministers to reduce • taxation. By his plan the national creditor might be relieved, and the people might be relieved; but it was not possible to. carry. on the pre sent system-without some appropriation of the public property. The hon. member then moved his resolutions. Mr..ConnEwrseconded the motion. Lord ALTuoitp said that the house would hardly expert that heshould ,answerthe.speechotthe hou member. (Loud cheers.) Lie Should merely say that,. as the him. member was a Dissenter acrd he (Lord.Althoip) was.a churchman, it could be easily un derstood that in a question — whether the church of - England was a good church or not they mutt differ. (Hear.) There was another point on Which they differed. The hon. member said that this was a motion of gycat importance; he differed frUni him in that. (Cheers and liughter.) He should therefore not detain the house by attetripting to enter into a discussion ,(hear), which, howeverit might suit a polemical it,sseinbly, was hardly fit for the consideration of that house. (Clc2eri.) . Coi.as:it observed that tilt noble lord'had 'said - that the house would 'hardly expect bititto - nnSwer dee - speech of the . hOn'. member. ,Ile (Mr. Cohbett) did .not expect him to answer it either. (Laughter.) Mr. D. NV. HARVEY - said . that; although he was - a Dissenter, ,and had beeicediicated 'as a nonconformist; and was prepared to subscribe to the abstract proposition 'of the hon: gentleman, he cutild not agree ru to it in his teis, for he had prejudiced'thed ii cusSiOn and' njured the princiiile °tale argument he had labour „ed to establish, by, pointing.out the abuses of the church instead of insisting on the paramotairright of the Protestant Dissen ters to the exercise - orprivatejlidinient: He was not prepared ' to say that the church of Engtand : was at:Variance with prattf- , vi i .,`" Qr t ha( w, t ed e . 4 se he I 11 % . 41 to be ex , 10 , for b urgle ti9tl.7thori y . 1 `, 1 u. 41 1 1 1 0 1 h lt14 ": 1 1 : 4 4 1."ar IR3 . $1,6 (4k „„ 'lee was ( ' ) 7 ote — 4. ;'tot , it in ni , kt tti_ r i ftih t ,„ he (iv (sf Vales 113", tiers(), w er e'L , JAM(' n eeti cv y et : last .11 !r, w4l the 4 1 4 . it b ac ., ic .'ur l eo .re Woreee 'ed t aN `le ; 1 " flat, urri f itv " ah w 4 " ky r s ow tf Issv 'HIE LIVERPOOL STANDARD. cal utility. He subscribed to the ocipion that the resources of the church were under the dorninion' of Parliament, not only for spiritual but fur temporal purposes , the grants of proper - 1y made in the times of ffenrylriff. and Edward VI., to lay peeSofiS 'Were unrighteous grants. 'He trusted the hon. .gentleman would not press the house to a division - on an abstract proposition, which was open to great objection, and would place the nonconformists in an ungenerous light. Sir It. INC- Lis rose to record his dissent from - every Word of the .propositions of the lion. member, and to . .Make_one observe,. lion upon this system of ,sermon and speech. (Cheers and laughter.) The hon. Member must know that those he was at tacking had no representatives in that house; yet he had at tacked-the clergy, not only With reference to their temporal con-, cerns—that was a question on which he might have a fair claim to enter,--but in respect to their spiritual functions. He would ask the hon. member whether,—he being, or, if he was tmt . nctiv, - had been, .a licensed teacher of Dissenters,--it was fitting and fair, in a place whereno minister of the chnrch of England was allowed to appear, to make this motion a vehicle of an attack upon that church? (Hear.) After spine Conversation as to the mode in which the cities tion sholild be put, . . The original question was put; not an "ay" was uttered, and the Speaker said the "noes" had it. lIIIIIIERY- AT ELECTIONS, Lord J. RUSSELL movedior leave to 'bring in a bill to pro vide for the trial of petitions complaining of general bribery -anti con tiptiiin in cities anti:boroughs sendiugmeinbers to serve in Parliament. The noise prevented - ouritearingthe explana tion given by the tiohle4Ord of the objects of the hill. Lord J. Ittissum. said,.with reference to the question of the hon. and learned gentlemaeopposite, he 'ho'd nut been able to satisfy his mind that 'it was desirable to impose such. an oath. as that referred to on members of the 'house. - Ile felt the greatest possible repugnance to call oh men to Swear•Solemoly to facts 'which, according to. the vasions interpretations placed_ on . election 'transactions, others might consider false. . . . . Mr. Wtratki- concurred in what 1111 fallen from the noble lord on the subject of an oath to be taken by members disclaiming bribery. As to the other observation of the lion, and learned member for:Dublin, no douht an unsuccessful attempt at bri bery was as criminal in the party offering the bribe as a suc cessful one; but he did not see how such a matter could be made a ground of disfranchisement when the fact was,itproved 'the viitue utelectors. . • After aleW words from Mr. E. Wason, leave was given to briirg tnihm - 11 - 11. . . COMMISSIONERS OF 'STAMP. Mr. GOODETT, without airy observations, moved for " a re turn, stating the names of the commissioners of stiintfis, 'the solicitors of stamps, of all under officers and clerks, and other persons in that 'department ; stating the annual spur which each of the said persons receives as salary or pay; also stating the n:imes of retired commissioners, solicitors, clerks, and other persons ; inthe said department, and the sum which each of the said retired persons receives annually; and also stating the names of all the distributors of stamps, county by county, in Ifargland, Wales, and -Scotland, and stating-the-sr:4m.y or - SUM that each distributor annually receives for his services." Lord Aurnoap said, that the number•of persons, fora list Whichorith the salaries attachedqn their offices, Etc. the hon. *ember now moved, amounted to no less than 525. -He just stated that fact to show the enormous trouble that would be oc dasioned in making out this return. (Hear.) Ile should like th know, therefore, from the hon. member what object he had in view in moving for such a ienrrn. As yet the hnu. member had mentioned no grounds fur this motion, to which•he (Lord Althorp) should certainly object, unless good parliamentary grounds were established for coMplying with it. The motion was then . putnnd negatived. SIVINGS' TIC CuAritELLon of the x.CliEcluzit.rose.toiptlip for leave tiotringin a Bill to enable ..persons to purchase small annuities Uhrough the means of savings' banks. The lowest sum which Could be granted by way of annuity under the present law was £3O a-vear, the proposed law which he had in •view would ena ble the poor man, by means of instalments in the savings' liants, to secure for his old age an - annuity of £29, which-he weiddle able to abet, if he "commenced, from the age of to 30 years, the payment of monthly instalments of Os. by the time he reached 60 years of age he.woOld haVe made 'deposits, together with interest, Sufficient to secure the payment of £:2O . a-year for the rest of his life. It was also to be proVided for by the bill he intended to introduce that in case the payment of those monthly payments ceased, either through want .of. means or disinclination to continue them, the depositor would be entitled to receive back the whole of the money paid in by him, but no interest would be allowed the amount; a change which would constitute some difference between the fund lie proposed to , establish and:the ordinary savings' banks. The Government would lose nothing by this plan, and to the indus trious working classes the gain would be very great. Ile also intended to introduce two clauses into the bill, one of Which would provide for a longer notice being given of a depositor's intention to withdraw his money trout the fund than was now required under the Saving' Bank Act; and the other would preclude the depositor from replacing his fund under the same advantages as if he had not withdrawn it, Which, by a ProVisiOn in the Savings' Banks laws, he was at present enabled to do, if he gave notice of such intention within a certain period of his withdrawal; the alteration would place him in the situation of a fresh depositor, and the advantage gained would be to render the persons who forwarded these deposits more steady in their . payments, as well as secure the Bank itself against any un reasonable run upon it, which caprice, or other accidental causes might occasion. With this explanation he should con elude by m ovin g for leave to bring in a bill for the purposeS he had mentioned. Sir THOMAS FREsiANTLE said that he had been one of the Committee on Savings' Banks, and his opinion was so strongly in favour of them that he - had a notice on the OrderS for the Bth of May relative to their condition, but Which motion, he had little hesitation in declaring, would be entirely superseded by the Bill. now proposed by the Noble Lord, to which he gave his hearty sanction. The noble lord then obtained leave to bring in his bill, .which he did shortly after, when it was read a first time, and ordered to be read a second time this day. PETITIONS AGAINST BRIBERY. Lord J. RUSSELL brought in a bill to provide for the trial of petitions against bribery in cities and boroughs sending mem bers to Parliament. SCOTCH BURGHS, &C. Mr. KENNEDY, in the absence of the Lord Advocate, moved for leave to bring in " A Bill to provide for the appointment and election of Alagistrates and Couueellors for the several burghs and towns of Scotland which now return, or contribute to return, Members to Parliament, and• are not Royal burghs. Also, a Bill to provide for the appointment and election of Magistrates and Councillors for divers burghs, towns, and places in Scotland which send no Representatives to Parliament, and are not Royalburghs. Also, a Bill to regulate and diminish the annuity tax now levied on the city of - Edinburgh, and to take away the exemption of members of the College of Justice from payment of the said annuity tax, and the assessments for the poor. Also, a Bill to empower his Majesty to issue a Commision for inquiring into the condition of the several Royal burghs, and other burghs and towns in Scotland; and reporting what may be fit to be done for their improvement; and the correction of any de:ects or abuses that-may be found to exist.. Leave being given, The other orders of the day where then disposed of, and the House adjourned at one o'clock OLD BAILEY SESSIONS-MONDAY. (Before Mr. Baron Vaughan and a London Jury.) . THE CHARG,E OF ATTeNIPTING TO SHOOT ME. MELLISH.— Noah l'eae Alger, aged 37,. described a• mariner, was indicted for maliciously shooting at William Mellish, with intent to murder him. _ Mr. A.DOLPEiIjs And Mr. PitiLtti , s conducted the prosecution; And Mr. Serjeant; ANonnws - and Mr. CLARKSON the. defence. In the occasional absence of the two former - Counsel, Mr. COD KIN examined the witnesses. • The evidence in support of the prosecution, that of Mr. Mellish and other witnesses, iwas precisely the same as has been full detailed in Mansion4iouse police reports• of the trans action, wtten the prisoner was iirst - apprehendtd. The cross-examination was unimportant: A great number of witnesses, most of them Captains in the merchant service, and persons with whom the prisoner had' associated or lived with, declared it as their opinion thathe was' insane, and related various - instances of aberration of nlitid, both when sober and intoxicated. • Mr - . Gilbert sl'M'urthich, Singeon to N'etvt. , atc, *as called at' .the request of ,the Judge, and said he had seen the prisoner two or three times after the transaction in question, arid 'had conversed with him. Witness had reason to suppose he was . of Unsound taint/. Cress-examiued b y Serjeant AN onEw s—Witness was'directed 14 the Lord Mayor taaserve the' pligOnee's tondueL Mr. Baron VACGIIAN then commented the summing up . of the case, which, he observed, was one for the grave consideration of the Jury, as it' involved the life of a fellow-creature. The learned Judge said he had called the stirgeon attending the ,prison in order that it' might'bu' Eckel - tante& front him whether tny thing had taken place under his observation so lead to a. correct opinion of his sanity. They had hpurdthe testimony of that gentleman, as well as the mass of evidence, to prove that he at times suffered under the severest i n fli c ti on that could - attend Truman nature. The charge against the.,prisoner..vtal that of unlawfully and maliciously shooting at Mr. Mellish, wit li intent to kill him. Another count Charged him *ith intent to do him some grievous bodily harm. The prisoner •had been indicted under Lord - LarisdoWne's 'Act, and AfhiCh was formerly known as that of Lotd lillethorOugh. The'.lo , 46‘ question for the Jury to determine was; Whether the prisoner was of sound or 'unsound mind. The crime consisted iu • the malice and intention. If the - prisoner were betel% of understanding, -he could not be found guilty . of the Offence. It was a case, however, requiring their vigilant consideration. That excellent Judge, - Sir Matthew Hale, had said it was ditileinctii "define - Or leterniine in - Siie. -, h - iiiafreis. that the line was `almost invisible, 'and that therefore the more care. was to be taken that the prisoner . should h,e•pro: tected, and lire law - and justice not violated. His lordship then expatiated upon the former threats of the prisoner—ihat he Weald Ithriewhip M r. Mellish, • and thirt he - had hougirt whip for the purpose. This showed prerneditirtitm, - at all ettitits ; but then, 'again, was-the t prisoner - acting under a delusion or mind—for ' whenever Mr. Mellish - was mention e d, h e spo ke i n • an excited manner; And talked of the unrequited ddirris he had upon that gentleman, but •whietr it was clear Were groundless. The learned judge concluded a long and elaborate charge by recapitulating - the - evidence. The jury retired to consider their verdict, and after a lapse of twenty minutes returned into court. .. The foreman, addressing Mr. Bar on Vaughan, said they a verdict to return, 'which, if• not correctly word . y worded, they wofird ask hss lordship to correct them. Baron VA cc ti A is your verdict, gentlemen ? Plreinan—Our verdict is-- , we acquit the prisoner on the .ground of insanity. • Baron VauGutN—Very well. gentle - Men—it is your verdict. The 'prisoner, who had behaved in an incohaerit during the trial, often'Staring round the court and turning IA back upon the .proceedings, was then removed, and of COUStqa derision awaits - the' of the eX eartiVe - as to - hisfirlille - diSpoWil. The trial occupied six hours. TUESDAY. Richard Coster amyl Eiround Smith were indicted for utteitig a forged £lO note,:with the intent to 'defraud the Governor and Company of the Hank of England;' the second count chArged _them with the intent to defraud Theophilus Clarke. There were . three other indictments of a similar nature against the prisoners, To art or wriictittieprea - ze - d - qvarmilif y . - Sir JA MES SCAIII.ETT ( with whom was Mr. Xiut.Locit retainc.d for the prosecution ; and 'Mr. A DOLPHUS and fr. BODKIN appeared for the prisoners. Sir.Les..S.6vor.ETT stated the case to . the jury, and observed, that since the law respecting for,gery_had been altered, a 'gikt increase in the circulation . of forgea Batik of England notes had taken:plieee,4ind the"pohlic ought to be very careful - h0w".17 took them, especially - £5 bank notes. The rnisoners had adopted a most ingenious mode of .circulating them. Letters were sent in tOlhe cmmtry, informing iiirfacturersthOt the writer = Wwi engaged in smuggling gooas into Belgium, and for the goods which were .sent cash would be paid. In thuse eases, the mu 4y, which consistect of notes, was sent before the arrival of the - goiis. Mr. 'l'. Clarke, of Devonshire, deposed reeetVini; two letters; one of the-2'3th of February, and a second on tin: 15th of March. The second one contained teu £5 Bank of England notes. Ile marked them all, and in about ten nii• nutes oiler he carried. them .to the Iloniton Bank, where he learned they were forgeries. Ile afterwards wont to Mr. Alidt deep, a solicitor, in consequence of having seen a letter directed to Miss-Cox .in postinan's hands,-al pautlyin the- same hand-writing as the one which 'he had received. Mis s C ox ' s letter also contained' eight £5 Bank of 'Etiglaild notes, and - tiiie £lO note. lie afterwards Made up two parclls, and diteetchl them to William Jackson, Bishepsgate-streeti-ati'd •he Bent two lettershy the post; cue of them was written by his wile. One of the parcels contained a small quantity of lace, and the other only blank-paper. Mr. A.Doi.vu,s.—The notes were never out of my poise.- sion. Mr. Aberdeen, a solicitor, of Honiton, received, on the of March, a:Letter from Miss Cox, a lace-manufacturer, of 'Ho nitou, in which were enclosed eight five-pound And one tee pottitd Bank of Eugland notes, 'which, Upon inquiry, proved to be forged,- dud width lnc having- marked, 'he' sent-to the solicitor Of the Bank of England ; he also sent a small quantity of lace, directed to Wm. Jack Son, 31, Biskopsgate-street Within, %widen he sent by the 'Exeter mail, having . pniviotisly lean - fed that Mr. Clarkeintended to send his parcel in the same direction by tue Devonpoit mail. Biebard Pearcedeposed, that his father keeps the Four Swan', Bishopsgate-street. Ou Saturday evenng,March 16, the pri soner. Smith came - to . his• house and delivered him a piece of pa per; he then said he expected a parcel, but he had made a ims take, thinking he had g/Ven the numbers of the Bullinn. The prisoner asked_hitnto . takc it in, on which he asked if anything was to be paid. He replied no; all his parcels f% Out the coun try were E paid. The. prisoner then said he would call on :licit day. 011'03 following day he saw Cotfr at the bar, who had a glass of. porttir, and inquired what tune the Ipswich coach came in, as he expected a gent!eman by it. He afterwards saw the prisoner 'Smith; who called himself Jackson, go into the coach-of he; with a parcel under his arm, very briskly towards Bishopsgate church. He was followed by Rowe, the officer, who took the prisoner into custody. Mr. Anoymi es, Mr. BODKIN, and Mr. BARRI' cross-exarniifkl . the witness on the part of the prisoners, but elicited nothing material. . . Rebecca Scone., barmaid to M rs. Pearce,—On the lkh March she was in the bar of the Four Swans, and saw a parcel cone directed'to Mr. Jackson, al, Bishopsgate-street;.she gave it to her master. The following day Coster came to the house, but did not remain long. Ile said tie expected a person to come up by the Ipswich coach, or he might.come by the Bury coach. She informed him the Bury coach did ~not call ,there. There had been a letter kit at the bar for a Mr. haver; this Coster saw, and said Favor had taken in a friend of his- of the name of Jackson for near OW. The prisoner then left, and came a second time, wl.feu.'he remained -for about an hour. i 40.11 speaking about Jackson; he said lie lived at the west end of the town. John Clifford, the book-keeper at the Four Swans.—Upon Tuesday morning, the 19th of March, Mr. Pearce brought him two i:arcels and two letters, which he directed him to take care of. The prisonet:Sinith called at two o'clock, and received them from him. Smith, upon being asked froni whence be ex pected them, said from lloniton, iu Devonshire. By Mr. BARRY,—Smith did not say he was sent for the par cels by Mr. Jackson. Henry Pearce, the landlord, of .the Four SwanS, in conse quence of instructions he had received, on Monday, the 'Nth of March, engaged several policemen to be in his house. on the Tuesday. On that morning two parcels, directed to William Jackson, were received at his hOtisofroM Honiton; the one by the Exeter mail, the other from Devonport. lle sent themboth into the coach-office. About two the prisoner Smith came into his bar, and inquired for a parcel directed to William Jackson ; he was referred to the coach-office, which is up the yard. Wit ness saw the prisoner Coster walking up ,and "down the other side of the street, frequently looking across, and evidently wait ing for Smith:, Shortly.•after, ,Stnith cage outer the yard with the parcels, and walked down the street—on the same side of the street as the Swans.- Costerintmediately did the same on the other side of the street, but kept frequently.looking over to Smith. Roe, a city officer, who had been waiting iu the houne, now followed and captured Smith, upon which Coster'begen-to run, but was followed and taken into custody by. witness: • . Several other..withesees were called,, who • corroborated the above statement. • . Smith, in his defence, said he was totally,•ignerant of tile transaction. He had been employed by a person of the name of Jackson to call for the parcels: . . Coster, who occupied three quarters of an hour in his defence, denied all knowledge of the transaction. His guirtglo;the'Four Swaratwas to meet a friend; laud • he shturid• call .evideneer to prove that the letters were not written by him. Alderman HARMER said be' hilly been engaged professionally for the prisoner, and he did not think the letters-utiiv 'proditcvd were written by Custer. Other witnesses spoke to the same effect. The Learned Judke stntuthbd up. The jury returned a verdict of. Guilty against both prisoners, We are told that the influenza (in almost every . farnily at the west end of the town) has spread through. tire wEnTe . establish ment. In one commercial concern near Ilanovei , sqpare these are thirty-two iu bed-; and, in another at Charing -cross' arty persons • . at Devonshire'-house, nearly the 'Whole of the Ifoitse hold ; at r NO'rthuneheriand=houSe,. also Many. In the Bank of 'England on Menday,'no feWer• thau ninety :four of the cleilie were laid up with prevailing disease ; and last night all the principal theatres'were eloseel in'consequence of the illness . of inatiy of the performers. Miss Kelly's entertaining perfottn anccS were alsb suspended last night, in consetionee of tile• of that' IA tly front the prevailing • epidt•Mte. Le'±iV,e'nr country readers shotild 'be over-much alarmedat'thls'stittieMiebT, 7wEttitiit it - rigtrucatdratavrtitB nrea:4y;. - ..thrregtnaarte•lettile it lasts. ballot proved tatall : avyone instltp Paganini is in great disgrace amongst.th#,,glisli is Par because he has refused to . play for Miss guritlison's benell;.; .) in fact, the beau has go: into a serape.