The Sun. — London, England, 1847-12-08 00:00:00

Vbirb 12bition SUN OFFICE, Seven o'clock, IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT, (THIS DAY.) HOUSE OF COMMONS. ROMAN CATHOLIC RELIEF BILL. Sir ROBERT INGLIS (in continuation from our Afternoon Edition) said—Already there were three thousand Catholic priests within the jurisdiction of this country; but he did not propose that the autho rities of these priests should be curtailed. He did, however, demand that their authorities and powers . should not be extended, because it would only assist the Church of Rome in its anxiety to extend its influence in this country. To show the anxiety of its adherents for extending its powers, lie might mention that even within the city of Westminster, an association had been established for securing the election of Members to seats in that House who were favour ible to the demands of the Church of Rome. Such an association in 1838 would have been consi dered illegal, and treated by the law accordingly, but now the Church of Rome was allowed to proceed in its aggressive policy without hinder ance or molestation from any party. He could adduce proofs without end of the aggressive character of the Church of Rome, but the present Bill, he thought, was sufficient evidence of it, and he would not trouble the House with relating instances where the Church of Rome had shown a disposition to interfere with th t e - internal affairs of foreign countries. He considered the evidences he had already adduced were sufficient to induce the House to pause before it passed the Bill, and in order that it might have an opportunity of doing so he would beg leave to move that the Bill • be read a second time this day three months. Mr. DRUMMOND believed there was strong in clination, not only in that House but in the country, to extend the privileges enjoyed by Protestants to their Roman Catholic fellow-subjects ; but he entreated the House not to establish the supremacy of any Church in any sect under the plea of toleration. The principles of the Church of Rome were highly dan gerous, whilst the head of that Church claimed to be considered not only the head of his own dominions, but the Roman Catholics of this country look upon him as the spiritual head of the United King dom.—(No, no.) Honourable Gentlemen opposits cried " No, no," but he held in his hand a news p a p er cotaining the report of a meeting held in Ireland, where a resolution was passed acknowledging the Pope of Rome as the supremo head of the country, and he warned the House not further to sap the foundation of the existing Constitution by passing this Bill. Ireland was already under tbe baneful control of the Church of Rome; the daTiinable doc trines of the Jesuits had taken root there, and it behoved that House to be watchful that the Church of Rome did not extend the influence of that dan gerous body to this country. The Earl of ARUNDEL and SURREY had heard some portions of the Hon. Gentleman's address with great pleasure, but he regretted he could not extend the same remark to the opinions he had given and the extracts he had read with respect to the obedience of some religious orders; it was absurd to say that the submission of the Jesuists and ether religious bodies to their supreme autho rities also extended to the Roman Catholics ; many Roman Catholics did not bow to the dic tum of the Pope in the way the Hon. Gentleman had pointed out. Look at the oath taken by Roman Catholic members. It was to the effect that they did not 'recognise the power of the Pope in respect to the Crown or Government of this country. Ra ther than see the Roman Catholic bishops inter fered with, and deprived of their spiritual power and independence, he would behold the Ro man Catholics driven out of the realm, as the Jews were driven out of the Roman empire by Titus. He would rather behold the ploughshare driven across the altar of St. Peter's than that independence tampered with. He justified the bull known as Ccena Domini; it had not been pub lished since 1774, in the time of Clement XIV., and it was not binding now on Roman Catholics. All churches were progressing—(bear)—and the Roman Catholic was but one amongst the number. As the disabilities sought to be abrogated by this Bill had long fallen into abeyance—as they were foreign to the civilization of the age, he saw no reason why they should be continued another hour.—(Hear.) Mr. WALPOLE would support that portion of the Bill which recommended that the pains and penalties in existence against Roman Catholics st.ould be removed, but he saw no reason why they should go into Cominittee on the matters, and he believed he should satisfy Roman Catholics that he was correct in his view of the matter. He, for one, wished, for the sake of peace, that religious differences should be got rid of. The Hon. Gentleman then referred to the six statutes -of which the Roman Catholics complained, enacted from the time of Elizabeth, and contended, by reference to various modern Acts, that some of them had been repealed, and that none of the " pains and penalties " which remained on the statute-book could be now enforced at common law. He appealed to the law officers of the Crown to say whether any of the penalties enacted from the time of Elizabeth up to the time of William 111., were now in force ; they were not, and there fore it was misleading the House to say that there was any necessity for dealing with them. But he came to the Acts of George 111., and with which this Bill principally dealt. The first principle of that Act was with respect to the celebration of Roman Catholic cere monies in public. He believed no Romani ' Catholic would wish to see them used, because collisions of a dangerous kind might be the result. The second was the wearing of ornaments by those in the civil ser vice in places of public worship. He was one of those who thought that a place of public worship was not the place for such displays, although he had no objection to their use in other places.—(Hear.) The third was with respect to the penalties imposed on the recognition of monastic establishments. He feared, if the Catholic Relief Act were meddled with, that a spirit of rivalry would spring up which would prove injurious to the public weal, and, there fore, whilst he believed thatlAct was not injurious, he could not consent to its abrogation. The Society of Jesus owned the Pope as its heal, f,,r its general could not move without his auth irity ; and he asked if the members of such a society, Who recognised the Pope as its head, as higher than the British Crown, should be permitted to spread their noxious principles in this kingdoin ? The mem bers of that society had been driven out of France, out of Spain, out of Sicily, and even out of Italy, for Clement XIV., in hie celebrated bull, which drove them out of Italy, said, in it, that the Church of Christ could not fl)urish whilst they were allowed to spread their insidious doctrines —(lm-, hear.) Such men might derange the state of society in this country; and if this Bill were carried, this society would obtain re newed power. He approved of one part of the Bill, but the other portion he decidedly objected to. He called upon them to abide by the statement of the Noble Lord at the head of the Government, that they should adhere to the settlement made with the Roman Catholics of 1829. Toleration might, if carried too far, lead to destruction.— (Cheers.) `Sir GEORGE GREY did not consider that the laws sought to be repealed imposed any practical grievances upon the Roman Catholics. The Bill I partook of ts - vo plrtg—tbe one to repeal obsolete statutes, and the other statutes of later date—the Act of 1829. He agreed with the Lion. and Learned Gentleman opposite that the Acts to which he had referred were inoperative. It was useless to seek the repeal of measures which had sunk into abeyance, such as the punishment of persons who taught Roman Catholic priests. He could not assent to that portion of the Act whi c h, a t thi s ear ly pe rled, sought the repeal of some of the Important provisions of the Act of 1829, though at t e ke sa ti Te time he would not say that they should not e provisions of that Act into con tisioduersati theinookwithile view of making some modifica tions that that they should notreli religions t with orders not security against the spread of reserved to himself therten? nised by that Act. lie ht of opposing any part of the Bill in Committee Mr. PLUMPTRE roe which t he might object. slightest degree, from was disposed to depart, in gr e the 4 that the Government Church of Rome the concessions made in 1829.0 o.e northe Church of was making great inroads England, and it was the duty Pro testants to resist such aggessions. They should atlolics bow e d down re collect that the Noble Lord opposite cirdpundei and Surrey) had said t h at the Roman Lo wo uld not be satisfied until Protestantism a d o wn to the dust. The bull Ccena Domini was he was confidently in formed, in full force . He should - w• his d e cided opposition to the measure.. Leord ARUNDEL and SURREY explained. Ile 1 that the bull repeat , had nut been in operation since 1774, and that it did not denounce the Queen as a heretic; it wa s directed against heretics, but nut against the sover ei g n. If, lio , .i.evtr, he were wrong, he would state so OR a future occasion. Mr. J. O'CONNELL had thought that it would n ot have been necessary for any Cat holic Members to address the House in favour of the Bill, and that they might safely have left the question to be dealt with by those enlightened and tole rant Protestant Members who had advocated the measure upon the last occasion when it was brought before the House. He believed that the maintenance of all provisions for the purpose of pre venting the spread of religious orders were perfectly useless, and he was surprised to see some lion. Members advocate so strongly the keeping such measures upon the statute-book. He trusted that the House would at once, in this early period of the session, show its desire to conciliate their Catholic fellow-subjects, by allowing this Bill at least to go into Committee. Mr. NEWDEGATE thought that if the Act of Elizabeth, which was the first proposed to be re pealed, were obsolete and inoperative, it was idle to go into Committee for the purpose of repealing it; but if that law were operative, he called upon the House to consider the importance of the step they were about to take. (Hear, hear.) The Act of Elizabeth recited that it was unlawful for any person to print, publish, or express that the Pope had any authority in this country ; by repealing this Act the House would, in effect, be making that legal which was before declared contrary to law. He begged the House most deeply to consider the serious nature of such a step, before they proceeded into Committee. Mr. E. GLADSTONE said that it was in some measure his misfortune that he was not able to give the same vote upon this Bill as his lion. Colleague (Sir R. H. Inglis), but he did not think that it would be respectful to the great constituency which he represented if he gave his first vote in the House upon so important a question as the present without stating his reasons for so doing. There were several arguments of a general nature which he could not but think ought to be set aside in arriving at a decision on the subject. Frequent allusion had been made to the aggressive activity of the Church of Rome in this country. He was one of those who deplored those effects which that activity had produced. The House ought, however, only to look at this measure upon its merits, remembering that it was useless to en deavour to stop religious activity by political enactments.—(Cheers.) He thought that the defence and dissemination of Protestant prin ciples might safely be left to :the zeal, fidelity, energy, and-activity of those whose province it was— he thought that was the only legitimate means for counteracting the activity of the - „Church of Rome.— (Hear, bear.) It was quite true that the large bodies of our fellow-subjects who were interested in the question before the House, did not allege a prac tical grievance, but they did allege wounded feeling, and he thought that formed a strong argument for repealing the obnoxious provisions.—(Hear, hear.) It had been said by the Hon. M em b er for dhurst behind him (Mr. Walpole), that there was danger of re-awakening clamour upon this subject, but he thought that if these provisions sought to be repealed were unjust, it would be the dutyof the House at once to repeal them, and trust to the good sense and feeling of the people of this country for the result. With respect to the first portion of the Bill. purport ing to repeal Acts passed prior to 1829, he should have been happy to have heard from the law officers of the Crown something:which might tend to throw light upon the real state of the law on the subject. With respect to the Ist of Elizabeth, it had been con tended that the penalty was abolished, but that the Act still remained in force. If such were . so, there would be half a sentence in the statute-book, without any meaning whatever. He did not, therefore, think that any reason was to be found upon that ground for going into Committee on the Bill, more having been done already than was proposed to be done by this Bill. The question of by far the greater importance was whether the House was or was not prepared in any manner to interfere with the recent settlement of the Act of 1829. He thought that it would not be wise, with a due regard to the feelings of their Roman Catholic fellow-subjects, to adhere strictly to the provisions of the settlement then effected. He thought that the Hon. Gentlemen had shown ground enough for the House going into Committee on the Bill, in order to consider the provisions of the Bill of 1829. He thought, also, they might give greater liberty •to the peformance of religious rites by the Catholics without injury to the Protestant Church.—(Hear, hear.) With respect to the establishment of religious orders, he was not one of those who would strictly adhere to the provisions of the Bill of 1829. He thought it was rather too severe to say that parties belonging to religious orders should not reside in this kingdom. He thought after the expiration of eighteen years they might well be called to show cause why these exclt:sions should continue.—(Hear.) He did not know any reason why those orders should have such a ban placed upon them. With respect to the Jesuits he would reserve his opinion till the Bill went in Committee.] ,Considering all the circum stances of the case, he would support the second reading of the Bill. Mr. SHELL denied that the Lord Chancellor of Ireland had any ecclesiastical appointments in his gift, and he asked, therefore, why some of the first men in Ireland should be debarred from being ap pointed to that high office ? Sir Michael O'Loghlin was Master of the Rolls, and it had been asked, and truly, why he could not be Lord Chancellor of Ireland. He appealed to the Hon. Member for Midhurst, who was an eminent lawyer, and would ask him if he was a member of the Irish Bar, and a Roman Catholic, whether he would not consider it a great grievance that in consequence of his religion he was debarred from becoming Lord Chancellor of Ireland ?—(Hear.) Mr. GOULBURN opposed the second reading Of the Bill, believing that it had been introduced more as a handle for altering the Bill of 1829 than for any other purpose.—(Hear, hear.) He should cer tainly vote against the secor.d reading of the Bill. Mr. HUME was surpF.sed at the course pursued by the Right Honouralite Gentleman who had just sat down. He thought it most objectionable that Honourable Members. should refuse to give their assent to the going into Committee upon a Bill, the object of which was to remove ob stacles which it was admitted on all hands ought not to have been imposed, because some Members could not agree to it.—(Hear.) Mr. CARDWELL gave his cordial assent to the second reading of the Bill. He believed that op posing the second reading of the Bill would lead to mischief.—(Hear, hear.) He hoped that the Govern ment and the House would consider the grievances of their Roman Catholic fellow-brethren.—(Hear.) Mr. FARRER said he was unwilling to give a silent vote upon this important subject. It would be his first vote in Parliament, and he could assure the House that it would he thunded on the convictions which a long study of this question had led him to adopt. Until this Bill had been brought forward he was under the impression that concession to the Roman Catholics had reached its utmost limits. however, as i t m i ght, he must 13 w e xeopurledsthsba:hls dangerous opinio t u o tthheatcoannsyt constitution concessions and en te r . taining that belief, he should certainly vote against the second readinc , of the Bill. Mr. STUARfdid not rise to. protract the debate, but simply to explain the nes sons that induced him to vote against the Bill. On a former occasion he had given a silent vote on a similar question to the present, and le therefore hoped the House would pardon him if he stated at length his particular objections to this Bill. There could be no doubt that the first part of the Bill related to the supremacy of the Crown, and he was sure no man, consistently with the oat/ m he had taken upon entering that House, could sup port this portion of the measure. Almost the first clause repealed the existing Act of Elizabeth, pt ohibiting any party preaching against the supremase y of the Crown spiri tual and ecclesiastical, and, in his opinion, if they passed that • clause, they coullet do nothing that was more calculated to undermi) se the principles upon which the constitution was he ,sed. If this Bill were passed, it would go far to establish the suprema:v of the Pope of Rome in this country. Now, long before the Reformat ion, any interference on the pant of the Pope of Rome in matters ecclesiastical in this country• was prohibited, and therefore no plea of toleratio rt could justify such an interference in the present tin ie. The policy of the see of Rome was aggressive.. It always had, been, and it always must be, and. that was an additional reason, in his opinion, why tt ey should - pause before they adopted this dangerous ri ieasure. Strangers were then ord( Ire 3 to withdraw, and the House divided, when there at 2peared_ For the second reading • Against it ......... ...... Majority —32 The Bill was then read a. second time. It is not to be committed until after € he recess. CRIME AND OUT RAE IRELAND BILL. CONSTAJSULIt RY FORCE. This Bill passed. 0 - trough 'Committee. ELECTION C The Members. to serve o n the Election Committees were nominated. The Mb sisters were exempted. EDINB URGII. On th e mot i on of Mr. 2 IACGREGOR, seconded byDr. BOWRING, • a ne w writ was ordered to be issued for the election of a Member to represent Edinburgh in the room of kir. Cowan. The SPEAKERWsEtaYteMd t p h tr at T 'h ll eliad received a l e tt er t om Mr. W. D. Christie .„ testing cepted the Chiltern Ilundr ed, 3 that he had ac- The Howe adjourned at, Sim' o'clock. Tu, E. :Indiana, by _LE -JLECTRIC T llrma ------ . I tend in DEAD BEAT.—In a i erter ItA I'll versus TIME.—TimE magnetic Manchester from a f- a gentleman of h wonderf a nv n Fu n : z te graph the following Pa 3 vig a e t relative- IF:eillii:ioni,terithtlet States, le is in that state telegraph, Pv,ses through our country cities, coramunicating inte lligenee I almost inesastatnetrna neously, News has been tr sni Anitt.ed from Philadel p hi a to Cincinnati, a distancc of 7 50 . mites, on one unbrok en chain of wires. Of course, as Cuicinnnti is ten de grees west of Philadelphia, or 40 minu tes of t i me later, th e news is that much ahead of...the time. ,, THE SUN, LONDON QUEEN'S BENCP.-(THIS DAY.) RODGERS V. GAYSBROOK AND ANOTRER. This was an action of trespass, to recover compensation for the loss the plaintiff had zustained through being kept out of possession of property of which he was the mortgagee._ The defendants, who were the assigeees of a bankrupt named Ruben Hunt, a paper maker, had t.lc-n possession of certain premises in Bernier-street, Mi:e end-road, where the bankrupt formerly carried on his business, and sold a quantity of machinery they found upon the building, which had previously been mortgaged to the plaintiff ; and the present action was instituted to recover compensation, not so much for the loss of the machinery as for the injury the plaintiff had suffered through being deprived of possession of the pre mi-es, of which he was also the mortgagee, from the month of December, 1340, to September, 1841. The jury returned a verdict for the plaintiff—Da mages, 500/. SALE OF RAILWAY SHARES BY AUCTION.—(THIS DAY.) At the sal© of Railway Shares to-day, by Messrs. Lava9nd and Co., prices were steady. We subjoin a tow of the quotations:— North British, Extension ......:60 13 0 Leicester &Bedford, Exchange Certificate 0 13 0 Eastern Counties, York Extension......... 1 7 6 South Yorkshire, Doncaster, and G001e... 1 1 0 Liverp. Manch. and Newcastle-upon-Tvne 0 7 6 North Staffordshire East Indian, Reg Paris and Lyons 6 0 0 London and South-Western, Thirds Great Western llO 0 0 Ambergate, Nottingham, and Boston 0 12 b Boulogne and Amiens ... 14 17 0 STATE OF TRADE MANCHESTER, TUESDAY.—There has been no change in the market since Friday; and, owing to the season, very little business has been done. There continues to be some demand for the Levant, and the lighter de scriptions of domestics and long cloths have not only been easy of sale, but some rather considerabl e or d ers have been taken for future delivery. In most other descriptions of cloth, and in yarn generally, the dulness of the market has its customary effect upon prices ; and rather lower rates have been accepted in some few cases. Still, production continues to ex tend ; and we hear every day of the resumption of work by concerns which have been standing fur months past. ROCHDALE, MONDAY. —The flannel market has been much like that of last Monday. There has been a rather thin attendance of buyers, and a limited quan tity of business done, at low prices. There is little or no change to report in the wool market; prices are steady, and the purchases made are I,r immediate use. HALIFAX, SATURDAY.—There was a better at tendance of merchants in the Piece Hall to-day than there was this day week ; but we do not learn that many more goods change hands. The yarn trade continues in pretty much the same state as noted in our last report; and we have no alteration to quote either with respect to long or short wool. HUDDERSFIELD, TuEsnAr.—There has been again an improvement in our market to-day, especially in the better sort of v: stings; and some of the mer chants connected with the hom© trade have purchased larger parcels of woollens than for some weeks past. LEEDS, TUESDAY.—There was a slight improve ment perceptible to-day in our market; so very slight, however, that it would have escaped notice in ordinary times. lint when the current of business runs so very still as hitherto, the least di,turbance of the surface becomes matter of observation. The elements for a near approach of brisker times are at work, and the symptoms ke€p strengthening every week.—Manchester Guardian. EXTRAORDINARY DEPRESSION OF THE BAROMETER. On Monday evening last the barometer exhibited a most unusual depression; not, however, as supposed by many, the lowest unknown. The lowest point reached, which was about six o'clock . was 28 10; it con tinued stationary for a time; but towards eight o'clock it had again risen to • 28.25. It wag, however, subjected to a second depression, and about midnight was again down to 28'10. This depression indicates a very severe storm in some kc.dities, though we have escaped it in Manchester, not having any wind of extra ordinary severity. The letter of our Liverpool corre- spondent, and also the electric telegraph from Liverpool, give accounts of a number of disasters at soa, and it seems that the storm was exceedingly severe to the westward. The barometer, on .Monday night, indi cated the lowest point of atmospheric pressure since the storm of Friday, the 13th . January, 1843. when the barometer stood, at six A.M., at 28 0, and at eleven A.M. had fallen to 27 . 90. Since then the lowest point reached, prior to Monday last, was 28.50, on the 26th February, 1844, and again on the 20th December, 1845, on both which occasions much rain MI and high winds prevailed. On the 13th January, 1843, nine tenths of an inch of rain fell; . but that wus.exceeded. by the fall on Sunday lait, which reached 120 inch. The late heavy rains have quite flooded thw low lands on th • banks of the Mersey; between Sale and Altrincharn, fifty or sixty acres at the least, are covered with watcr.;-- Manchester Guardian. ALARMING FIRE IN GREENOCK GREENOCK, DEC. 6, QUARTER TO TEN P.M.—There is now raging the most extensiv'e and perhaps disastrous fire that was ever witnessed in Greeibick. Three large ropeworks, extending the whole length of Lyne doch-street, have been, in liit'e more than an hour, almost entirely consumed. The fire began in Messrs. A. Tough and Son's ropework, at the north eastern end ; and, as there was a strum , north eagerly breeze blowing, the flames shot along like wildfire, and spread to the other ropeworks adjoining— Messrs. Qu'ntin Leitch and Co., and William Connell, jun., and Co.. There could be no effectual resistance offered by the fire-engines, as not only the materials composing these erections, but the goods contained in them—tar and hemp—are of the most inflammable na ture. The engines are playing with great force upon the large flax mill of the Gourock R6pework Company, and we are informed it Is' in a ifate of conflagration, with little hope of saving it.- / Vorth British Mail. LAW INTELLIGENCE. COURT OF BANKRUPTCY, Dec. 7. (Before Mr. Commis inner SHEMIN RD.) IN THE BANKRUPTCY OF GEORGE EVANS. The bankrupt was a linendraper in Tottenbam-court road, and this was the adjourned certificate meeting. His HoNoun now gave judgment, observing th tt one of the main charges urged against the bankrupt was his trading improvidently and reeldes,ly, and going Stu contracting deb's whilst in insolvent circumstances Upon investigating all the circumstances of the case it appeared to him that those ereditors' who supplidhiril with goods knew of his' insolvent condition, and, three. ,fore, he did not think this was a ground upon vs hich he would be justified in suspending the certificate. The Learned Counsel who - opposed - ou the last occasion (Mr: E. James) had called upon bins in the name of the trading community to•refuse •or adjourn the certificate.. The Learned Counsel had done so in a very urgent d marked manner, but be (the Commissioner) Would not be intimidated from the impartial discharge of his duty; and such threats were rather calculated to make thy• Commissioner lean towards the opposite directiou, although in this case he was in no degree influenced by them. He would grant the certificate. Mr. dimes opposed, Mr. Lawrance• supported the bankrupt, and Messrs. Sole and • Turner were solicitors to the assignees. (Before Mr. Commissioner HoLaovn ) IN THE BANKRUPTCY OF E. WHITBREAD. The bankrupt, Edmund Whitbread, of Brett-terrace, Camden-town, came up for his certificate. His HONOUR, in giving judgment, observed, that the bankrupt had been for a' long period living upon his creditors, and obtaining 'goods from them while in a state of hopeless insolvency. He suspended the certifi cate for six months. Protection was applied for, and His HoNoun l aid be w n,,1,3 6 ...6 Al awn month to IN THE BANKRUPTCY OF FLY, FROST, AND MATHESON. The bankrupts were large railway contractors at Swaffilam, in Norfolk, This was a meeting for the. choice of assignees. Messrs. Lawrence and Plews are Solicitors to the fiat. The following gentlemen were chosen assignees::- Henry Young, of Finch, Swaffham, Norfolk, chymist; Arthur Morse, same place brewer; and Charles Jeffrey, also residing in Finch, a merchant. WE D - NE SD A Y EVENING, DECEMBER il l 1847. IMPERIAL PA R I I,T_AMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, Dec 7. The Earl of SHAFTESBURY took his seat on the Woolsack (in the absence of the Lord Chancellor) shortly after Five o'clock. IRISH EXPENDITURE. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE moved that there be laid on the table a statement showing the sums voted by Parliament since the Ist of August, 1846, for extraordinary expenditure in Ireland; also the amount expended, and the portions still remain ing in the Exchequer. The motion was agreed to. Their Lordships then adjourned. ROUSE OF COMMONS, Deo. 7. The SPEAKER took the Chair at Four o'clock. JEWISH DISABILITIES. Mr. B. CABBELL presented a petition, signed by the inhabitants of Marylebone, against the admission of Jews into the Legislature. RAJA OF SATTARA. Mr. HUME presented two petitions praying for inquiry into the charges made against the character of the Raja of Sattara. IN THE BANKRUPTCY Olr CHARLES PADDON. The bankrupt was a clothes salesman in Lambeth., lie came up for his certificate, oppOsed by Mr. Lucas. It appeared that in September,. 1846, an execution was put in by a creditor for 5004, to whom only 100/. was due; and that the hankrUpt used this circumstance (to which he was privy) in order to induce the creditors to accede to a composition. Under the influence of this statement the creditors consented, 2nd this quasi 5004 creditor actually obtained bills for the amount of his claim. The bills were, however, unpaid, the composition was not carried out, and the bankrupt was eventually obliged to have recourse to this court. His HONOUR suspended the certificate for twelve months. Thomas Lovegrove, of Pangbourne, Berko, came up for and obtained his certificate without opposition. POLICE INTELLIGENCE. BOW-STREET. Mr. Jardine was applied to by the churchwardens of St. Clement Danes to prevent the public exhibition of the dead, under circumstances peculiarly revolting, in Enon Chapel, in Clement's-lane, Strand. It was stated by the complainants, that Mr. Walker, the surgeon of Drury lane, having got possession of Enon Chapel, had for a long time past exhibited the heaps of dead bodies, bones, coffins, &c. ' accumulated in the vaults of th e c h ape l to crow d s o f persons who were daily applying to his residence for tickets of admission. To such an extent had the morbid taste of the public been excited by this means, that scenes of tcwht disorde r heaelikmedpaatabineondtew c hurchwardens ) ofitwith theconfusionskumhlwloasebdri collected h d . i a s i l h y a themselves n o o d c n c u ta r hap r pe i pp n as g l ripe , eodutt. lfyu owing rwa i They dttoh. b o u f t i ne we r ereuiruegfutshe the excitement ex by ci t t l e i e me m n a t n o at f i the h e e , p e persons gates, o n s who walked as sembled outside. Mr. Marsh, the inspector, stated that no charge, he brlieri , (l, was made for tho dyke's of admission, but a collection WdS made after the exhibition of the bodies at the chapel. Mr. JARDINE said, before taking any other steps, it would be better to send for Mr. Walker, who was a very respectable man, and ascertain if the ground of COM piaill; might no; be removed without resorting to a summons. In the course of the afternoon Mr. G. A. Walker waited upon his Worship, by whom the complaint of the churchwardens was explained to him. Mr. Walker did not deny the statements of the churchwardens as to the immense crow d s o f persons who were daily witnessing, by his means, the abomina tions of Enon Chapel. This place h a d b een un d er hi s notice since 1842; but it was only recent l y t h at h e h a d been enabled to co nvince the publi c o f t h e ex i stence of so great an evil in the very heart of the metropolis. Many Members of the House of Commons had visited the spot, after experiencing much difficulty in getting access to it, and he hoped yet to see some of the Executive present; for few would believe in the exist ence of such an abom i nat ion unless actu a lly p resent . His only object had been practically to demonstrate that which was otherwise inv ariably discr e dit e d. Th e magis trate might form some idea of the state of the vaults, when informed, that the ex-mini s t er o f E non C hapel made upwards of 951 L in sixyears by the burial of dead bodies in a place measuring only fifty-nine feet by twenty-five feet. He did not know what object the churchwardens had in view in seeking to frustrate his views, but he could• only say that they came forward with very bad grace, seeing that they tolerated almost as great an evil in the burial g roun d attached to King ' s College Hospital, in Portugal-street. However, he was not to be put down by them. Mr. JARDINE did not think the ch u r c h war d ens were guarantee for the purity a n d disin terestedness actuated by any ill-feeling toward s M r . W a lk er, whose t r e e r s rt e e t d a n b e il s i s ty • f h was i s a motives ; hut if it cmild be proved that the exhibition of these vaults in the manner de scribed was becoming a serious nuisance to the neigh b,urhood, apart from the revolting nature of the exhibi tion itself, there could be no doubt that the promoters of it were indictable at the sessions. His Worship, however, had thought it better first to communicate with Mr. Walker, with the view of seeing if some arrange ment might not be made to obviate in future the serious nuisance complained of. He thought it might be possi ble so to limit the number and class of persons admitted, as to prevent the recurrence of scenes so repulsive as those mentioned by the churchwardens. Mr. Walker entered into some particulars respecting his s, rvices in the sanitary cause, especially with regard to Spa-fields, &c., and presented his Worship with a copy of one of his pamphlets. He mentioned several other instances of the awful amount of contagion and death caused by the overcrowding of the dead in the midst of the living, and promised to regulate in future the admission of parties to witness the horrors of Enon Chapel. IVESTMINSTER. Thomas Davis was brought before Mr. Broderip charged with' being concerned with Thomas Sale, Geor ge Thomas Doyle, and John Lloyd, in the murder and rubbery of Mr. Bel(chambers. The priAoner Davis is ‘. the man in the plaid shawl," mentioutd in the early part of this investigation, of whom the police have bren in quest for the last six eeks. Ile was apprehended yesterday morning at the Bell, in York str, et, by Charles Tapping, 43 B, when he admitted that he was in company with Mr. Bellcham hers on the morning that he meet his untimely end, but left the King's Head before that gentleman, The following i►nportant evidence was yesterday given against the accused:-- - Henry Beese-J-1 am conducting the King's Head, Orchard street. On the 11 th of October, about two o'clock in the morning, the prisoner came into the house with two or three others. One was Doyle. I don't know the others. They had two or three glasses of brandy and water together. Prisoner was drinking some time outside the bar, until there was a dispute with Doyle and a woman. I went out, and put the woman out et` the house, and when I came back I found the prisoner had forced his way into the bar. Mr. Bell chambers was sitting in the bar at that time; he had been there about half an hour. I told the prisoner that I did not allow any strangers behind the bar. Prisoner said, I hope you'll excuse me, Sir, I only got inside out of the bother. I had to turn my back again directly afterwards to serve a customer at the bar, and when I returned to the bar parlour the prisoner was seated by the side of Mr. Bellchambers, talking to him. Mr. Bell chambers treated him to some ginger beer andlthey had a glass of brandy and water. Prisoner went out once or teice whilst Mr. Bellchambers was there, and re turned again to the bar parlour. Mr. Bellchambers paid for what they had, and also lent the prisoner Is. Pri soner remained till half-past four, when he left Mr. Bellchambers in the bar parlour. Mr. Bellchambers left at about a quarter past five o'clock. Henry Meyers, who was serving in the bar of the King's Head on the morning of the 11th of October, after confirming the first portion of the previous wit ness'e statement, said, prisoner tried to come behind the bar, but Mr. Beese objected to it, telling him that he did not allow strangers there. The prisoners M'Coy, Doyle, and :Sale, all went out together, but previous to their dying so, M'Cuy and Sale had no money to . pay for what they had, but o n th e i r return i n fire minutes I ehelleneed them in the pretence of the prisoner, and said, " Just now you had PO money," when Sale replied, tt He had now," and then paid for some ale. Witness here went on at some length to confirm the statement of Beese, and then repeated the statement given on the former examination, that the prisoner Davis invited Mr Bellchambers to go and take a cup of tea ‘vith him, which Mr. Bellchambers declined. Whilst the prisoner was sitting near Mr. Bellchambers, he had silver money in his possessive, ;although he borrowed Is. of Mr. Bellchambers, as aitness distinctly saw the , prisoner drop half-a-crown._ Mr. 131101;ERIP, haring askel the prisoner whether he wished to put any questions to the witness ? The pri sonwr replied in the affirmative, and elicited the following answers :—" I did hear you speak to the others (the prisoners)." "You l e ft th e h ouse b y yourself." " You we re in after the others were turned out.' The prisoner, in reply to the charge, said, " I have nothing'tnore to say than that I drank with Mr. Bell chambers, and then bade . him good night. I have never seen him since. I have drunk with him before." Mr. BRODERIP said it was his duty to remand the prisoner upon this very seriots charge until Thursday ntxt. Henry Spicer, a low fellow, who bas been repeatedly brought to this court for vari9us offences, was charged with having caused the death A Philip Birch, by strik in:: him on the head with tt . pir of fir e t ongs . It appear: d from the testmasny of tw o w i tnesses, t h at deceased, who was intox icated, was at the Admiral Keppel public-house, Chelsea, on the 4th of November, and insulted several persons :11 the parlour there, after which he insisted upon a min named Cook fighting with.ea Cook said, that if he re ediiii4.healwidoushtlr'sltcrkikheihnim with a large file which be hd w ail him, and upon deceas e d continuing his offensive struck at him with ..he file, when the deceased 4teb . sd it from his hand and gave him two or three tilows - with it. The persons in the room took the file 2!dlay from the deceased, when he seized the man by the throat. Prisoner, who was in the room, then went behind -the deceased and crick him twice with the fire:ongs, the latter time upon the head. Deceased bled copiously from the wound, and was taken to St. George's the house surgeon, o ea u d te ' d to persuade him to remain, but H o s p ital, where the 24th, be coming much worse, he again went to the hospital, and died on the th inst. (yesterday) from theinjury on the head. Pri-.oner, who made no defence, was remanded for a week. RAILWAY SHADE MARKETS. BRISTOL, Jac. 7. STOCK EXCHANGE.—The saleiare—Great Western, Quer ers, 2% p.—llitto. 171. Shares, 6s. 3d. p. LIVERPOOL Dac. 7. STOCK EXCHANGE.—The folkwing were the transactions this r a 2 d 2l. Share; c. dis.—Great Wes tern, Quarters, dis. —BiDrkiettnol Lancahire, and Ch es hire June tern, Quarters, 1% p.—Lancashre and Yorkshire, Fifths, Sp. —London and North-Wetern, 154%—Manchester, heffield, and Lincolnshire, Quarers, No. 1, % c. p.—Ditto, Quarters, No. 2, 17%—Ditto, Eighth 2s 2 3 4 dia.—Midland, 109% c.—Ditto ; 4alves , di a---South-Eastern and Dover, MrViardsl -. . . and IC- 'xltt . t9i3. , -,-,Ytnis.. lipmesatle....All4 Northern, 5% dis.—Shrewsbury ad Birmingham, 91. 12s. 3d. Shares (B), 2 dis.---Shrewsbury, Oswestry, and Cheshire, 101. Shares, 171 c. p. MANCHESTEE Duo. 7. ,STocx... Exton/amts.—The salei are—Bolton, Blackburn V. and V. York), No. 1,6% 6—Eastern Counties, 16% , --,=GreatNorthern, 6 dis.-1/uriersfield and Manchester Canal and Railway, I%—Lancaitire and Yorkshire, Fifths, 1 4 c. diss—rDitto, Preston and 'Wre (guaranteed and divi- Clends),-68—Ditto, Halves (A), 1% p.—Manchester, Shef field, and 'Lincolnshi r e, Ei g h t h s , dis.—Ditto, Sheffield and Lincoln, 47 dis.—North Staffordlire, 9-16—South-Eastern and Devi% Igo. 4, 13-16—Yorland North Midland, Pre ference, 1 p. • BIRMINGHAI. Dro. 7. STOCK EXCHANGE.—No fads list was'published by the members of the Exchange veardaY- To-day the sales were—London and N ort h-W est ru, Q uar t ers (L. and B.), 12 1 ,( p.—Midland, Ne w , 1 dii__.idland (6 per cent.), Bris tol and Birmingham, 11854—Nor Newcastle, and Berwick (Original Newcastle and Berwit 6% p.—Ditto (G. N. E. Purchase), 1% p.—North St a ff shire, 4 dis. _ _ YORK, IC. 6 . STosur EXCHANGE. —The sag are—Great Northern, 41. 11s.—Ipsnvich and Bury St. Edtind's, Extension Scrip (late Cambridge and Ely), 1 N_Dester and Bedford, 12 3 . North British, Thirds, 463.--#9 , Extension, 13s. 6d.-- ,) York, Newcastle, and BerwicllNo. 2 (late New B erw i c k .s 124 c.—Ditto (G. N. E. Pure ), 95 /s. LEEDS, CC. 6. - STOCK EXCHANGE.—The Towing are to-d a y' s quota tions, but not much busines s been done : —E as t Lan eas)ihile, 15 is— NQw'd3ti2.cbitdist.o—Grreaf orthern, 6 dis.—Leeds an d Tlrce, 325. s. di s .—L e i cester sod Bedford, 3s. 6d. dPe is.—gaud, Preference, 255. dis.— 1 1 North British, Thirds, 6 1 . 6.P.—Ditto, Quart e r s , par— dNiort....l.Nosrtk'aff..nwr leightanirP.,6s4 54 .dis._iwthern Cou n ti es U n i on, 7 45. di s York, Newc as tl e , an d Ber wick, Nu. 2 (New 13e-rwicks44 c. P. EDINBUIti , DEC 6 . 1 sTocK ExciciNcW. jiii e Aar2—Dunde e an d N ort h ern, 295. Edinburgh and Northern 1. Os.—N or th B r i t i s h , Quar ters, 41. 15s.—Ditto, New, 13 6 d.—Ditto, Thirds, 21. 7s. SIR' CHARLES DALUIP-I:his gallant General Officer, one of the most dngutshed cav a lry ca pt a i ns of the day, is so seriousbdisposed, that but sli g ht hopes are entertained of hr°Yer,3". OPENING OF TUE CA° () NIAN RAILWAY.—it is stated that arrangements° in progress to open this line from rt eattoe k t o Edi,lgh on the 20th December, which will complete the tkgh communication between this city to London, vie/ (Isle. We believe that the braneh to Glasgow will PP ened for public traffic at ' the same tiin3,—Railway4e.. MALDON ELECTION. The SPEAKER informed the House that in the matter of the petition complaining of an undue re turn for Maldon no recognizances had been entered into, but the sum of 1,0001. had been placed in the Bank of England, to meet any expense that might be incurred. CHELTENHAM ELECTION. The RIGHT HON. GIINTLEMAN also informed the House, that the recognizances entered into upon the petition complaining of an undue election for Chel tenham were unobjectionable. CHANGE OF VENUE IN IRELAND. Sir J.,WALSH, seeing the Attorney-General in his place, wished to repeat the question he put to him yesterday, as to what was the present state of the law in Ireland in cases of change of venue. He was anxious to know whe ther it differed from the law in that respect in this country? The - ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that the law in both countries was the same, and the venue could be changed upon application to the Court of Queen's Bench, either in civil or criminal cases, where it could be shown that a fair trial could not be had at the place where the venue was originally tried. NOTICE OF MOTION. Mr. HUME gave notice, that after the recess he should move for a Select Committee to inquire into the causes of recent shipwrecks, and to report to the House whether, in all cases of shipwreck attended with loss of life, persons should be appointed to in quire into the attendant circumstances of such ship wrecks. SUGAR DUTIES. Mr. HOPE gave notice, that on the 9th inst., he should move for a Select Committee to inquire into the operation of the Sugar Duties Bill of 1846. Mr. BRIGHT gave notice that, after the recess, he would move for a Select Committee to inquire into the progress of the growth of cotton in India. THE ARMY. Mr. HUME moved the renewal of an order for certain returns relating to the army. BIBLE MONOPOLY. The Hon. MEMBER also moved for the continuation of returns respecting the Bible monopoly in Scot land, with a view to the abolition of the same U1OBJ• poly in this country. COPYRIGHT IN THE COLONIES. Lord MAHON inquired whether any of our colo nies had availed themselves of the Act of last session, whereby the Crown was authorized to suspend the operation of the statutory prohibition against the im portation into any colony of foreign reprints of English books, in cases where the Legislature of the colony made such a provision with respect to the rivhts of the authors as should be approved by the Crown ? , Mr. LABOUCHERE answered, that two among the North American colonies, namely, Nova Scotia and New Brunswick, had passed colonial Acts, and sent them here for confirmation, imposing a duty of twenty per cent. upon the importation of what were before pirated editions of English works published in the United States, and providing that the proceeds of that duty should be remitted for the benefit of those who had the copyright in this country. Her Majes ty's Government entirely approved the principle of these Acts, but there were certain details which ap• peared objectionable, and therefore the Acts had been returned with a statement of those objections ; but the details would, no doubt, be satisfactorily arranged. _ ELECTION PETITIONS. Petitions were presented, complaining of undue returns for the following places :—Athlone, Sligo, Aylesbury, Carlisle, Bewdley, North Staffordshire Nottingham, Dublin, Harwich, Hythe, Andover, Horsham, and Lincoln. CULTIVATION OF COTTON LN INDIA. Mr. BRIGHT gave notice that, after the recess, he should move the appointment of a Select Com mittee to inquire into the progress of tte growth of cotton in India. THE BRAZILS. Mr. WILSON, seeing the Noble Lord the Secre tary for the Colo n i es i n hi s p l ace, w i s h ed to put a question to him of which he had given notice. He was informed by the last arrivals from Rio de Ja neiro, it had been ascertained that the Brazilian Government had recently issued a decree by which they imposed a duty of one-third extra upon all ships and their cargoes, which might enter the Brazilian empire after the Ist of July next, from those countries which did not place Brazilian ships entering the ports of those countries upon a footing of the most favoured nations. He understood this decree would apply to all ships sailing from this country. Lord PALMERSTON said be had received a Brazilian newspaper within the last few days, con taining a decree that had been issued by the Brazilian Government, and which was to the effect stated by the Hon. Member. The decree would apply to all nations that did not, on and after the let of July next, extend to Brazilian vessels all the privileges they had hitherto enjoyed, uuless they should bind themselves by a convention to continue the advantages now denied to Brazilian ships for a specific period. FREIGHTS. Mr. BROTHERTON moved for a return of the freights paid by the Goverument on 4opations of food from America, for the relief:of the'ponrof Ireland and Scotland, in the course of..the present:year; distin guishing-1, the poits of obipmentg. 2, the',ports of delivery ;3, the navies .oftheships ; :the individual co nmittee to whom each parcel of food was consigned; 5, an account of the freight on each parcel.--(The return to comprehend the deliveries at both British and Irish ports.) MINISTERS' MONEY. Mr. E. B. ROCHE presented a petition from two parishes in Calk praying for the abolition of minis ters' money. IRELAND.—REPEAL OF THE UNION. Sir GEORGE GREY rose to make an applica tion to the Hon. Member for Nottingham (Mr. Feargus O'Connor), with respect to the follow ing motion, which stood first on the paper of this evening :—" For a Select Committee, to in quire and report on the means by which the dissolu tion of the Parliament of Ireland was effected ; on the eff-ets of that measure upon Ireland and upon the labourers in husbandry and operatives in manufac tures in England; and on the probable consequences of continuing the Legislative Union between both ent and eLordLieutenant agreed in opinion tnat as e4r y a aecfsion as was consistent with the importance of the sub ject, and with fair discussion, should be come to with respect to the Bill which the Government had proposed with the view of repressing crime in Ireland ; and as the progress of that measure might be retarded by the motion of the Hon. Gentlemen, he wished to point out to him the: expediency of withdrawing his motion in order that the debate might proceed at once.—(Hear, hear.) - The Hon. Gentlemen would have ample opportunities of bring ing it forward in a later, though early, period of the present session It was most important, with a view to the protection of life and property, that no delay should take place in pa-sing the measure into a law. Mr. F. O'CONNOR said the Right Hon. Baronet had placed him in a most unfair and disagreeable position by the request which he had made. He knew the popularity of the Government measure and the unpopularity of his proposition, and wished therefore, to get it postponed. Now he (Mr. F. O'Connor) considered that his motion should precede the passing of the Bill, and consequently, in his opi nion, he should not lay himself opeo, by persisting in his motion as it stood, to a charge of bringing it forward for the mere purpose of originating a fac tious opposition to the Bill. He repelled the charge, and said he could not comply with the request of the Right Honourable Baronet. [The Honour able Gentleman having resumed his seat for a moment, immediately rose again, on being called upon by the Speaker, and proceeded, after apo logising for the hoarseness of his voice from a severe cold, to bring forward his motion.] He said he could not shrink from bringing forward his pro position, notwithstanding the ungracious position in which he was placed. He wished to state to the House that he had adopted the very words of the , motion brought forward by Mr. O'Connell in 1834, and which he had himself supported in the preceding year. He thought when they were considering the question of coercion, that they should be informed of the condition of Ireland antecedent to the Union, and during the last 47 years. He should, however, carry on the discussion in a different strain to that in which it was carried on in 1834 ; he should not dwell on the differences between the Saxon and the Celt, because he for one hcd no wish to cast dis respect, upon the " Saxon gentlemen ;" he recol lected further that 3,500,000 of the people of Eng land had petitioned in favour of the repeal of the Union. He put it on higher grounds, and would ask, if Ireland had become part of the English empire by conquest, what statute of limitations there was to prevent her from re-conquerin g herself ? Was it not re mar k a bl e t h at Ireland, though stated to be bound by ties with England, should have retrograded as England and the other nations of the world progressed ? He should trace the title of the Crown of Ireland from its first institution until the time it merged into the English Crown, from the time of Edgar, in 964, when the charter was signed at Gloucester, until 1542, during the reign of Henry VIII., showing that (luring that time both nations were Catholic, and that the differences between the two countries had arisen chiefly out of religious differences. He should then go on to the commencement of the French Revolution, thence to 1800, the period of the Union, and then down to the present time. Every single revolution in Ireland was brought about by Eng lish Protestants against the Irish people ; there r ever was what could be termed a Catholic revolution. If he was enabled to prove these things from history, in such a manner as to clefy contradiction, he should then have made out a strong case for relieving the Catholic people of Ireland from the odium cast upon them, that they had been always the disaffected parties. With respect to the character of Edgar, which was the first ground of title set up by the English to Ireland they were told by Leland, who was to be considered as by no means an unfavour able historian for the English people, that " that charter was susceptible of considerable doubts." The next title set up arose in the period when Stronghow went over to Ireland, and succeeded in conquering a great part of the province of Lein ster. Henry King of England was induced by the successes of Strongbow to take the title of King of Ireland. The title which King Henry took with him was a bull of Pepe Adrian the Fourth, an Englishman, who granted him the govern ment on condition that he should spread the Catholic faith, and that he should make the Catholic people attend more to the rites and duties of the Church ; he then bestowed the throne upon him, on condition that he was to receive in return Peter-pence, or the payment of a penny from each house. In the year 1172, all the Barons and Nobles tendered their submission ,to Henry. Shortly after he was obliged to leave his Irish dominions. When King John was twelve years of age he was sent over to Waterford to receive the submission of all the barons and nobles within his dominions. So imperious was the conduct of this young king, that the day after he left the nobles who had made their submission imme• diately took up arms against him. During the seventh, eighth, awl ninth centuries Ireland was prolific in commissioning missionaries to pro pagate the Catholic faith over the whole of Europe. Until the ruthless days of Cromwell and the days of the rebel King William, whom they sent over to Ireland, not a single conquest hnd been made, and it could be proved that even every foot of ground which the English gained in the wars theywere obliged to surrender as soon as they were com pelled to withdraw their forces. The next title set up was in the time of Richard 11., in the year 1695, who went over to Ireland with 4,000 men at arms and 30,000 footmen, and received the submission of all the nobles and barons of the country. In 1699 Richard again invaded Ireland, and they were told that he remained revelling in Dublin for many months, till at length news reaclied that the Duke of Lan caster had landed in England, and he was compelled at once to return to his native country, without ac complishing anything in Ireland. The next claim to the sovereignty of Ireland was made in the reign of Henry VIII., who went over to that country with a large force, but like his predecessors achieved nothing. Therefore, none of the revolutions that had taken place could be put down to the religion of one country or the other, and from that period up to the Union Ireland had been the subject of aggression from England. 13efote he sat down he would show that Ireland had never had an effective Parliament to govern her, and such being the case he would ask whether it would not have been better, instead of abrogating the Par liament altogether, as was done at the time of the Union, something had been done to render it more effective ? The Honourable and Learned Member then went on to endeavour to show, that from the earliest time down to the present e every attempt had been made by the English Government to impoverish the people of Ireland, and corrupt her Parliament, and observed that the Irish people, finding that they were deceived by their leaders--finding that they were being made the dupes of their public men—determined to esta blish the Irish Society, of whose existence the Government was aware from its very birth, and whose members they knew, but still they did not cause them to be arrested. They preferred rather to fer ment the rebellion, in order that they might be revenged upon those who had refused to assist them at the time of the revolt of the British American colonies. At this time the Irish Catholic people began to look for aid to the French Catholic people, and it was natural that they should d o so ; b u t th e French revolution intervened, and their hopes of succour in that quarter were frustrated. Again, the Government wanted the assistance of the Irish people, and in order to gain that assistance they had recourse to the cry of Parliamentary Reform. A hollow cry it was. It was the cry of Earl Grey, it was the cry of Charles James Fox, but only to assist them into place, and when they safely got there away went Parliamentary Reform, then the cry was understood to mean merely that a Government commissioner could not be allowed to have a seat in that House.—(Hear, and laughter.) The people of Ireland, therefore, instead of getting a fair representation in Parliament, had the celebrated Convention Act given to them, and from that period up the union history could not point to anything equal in atrocity to that. Now what was the history of the rebellion of 1798 ?—who could relate it ? Ireland had given this country orators, financiers, statesmen, warriors, dramatists, and poets, but England had taken care that she should not pro duce historians. Who had fought the battles of this country ? Irish generals and Irish soldiGrs ; and yet, so far back as the memory of man could go, this country had refused Ireland her just Pld legitimate rights. Eventually the Irish Parliawen'. was annihi lated; and what, let him ask, was the consequence of the annihilation ? From Piieo up to 1800 the exports and imports had increased to an enormous extent, and the country was in a comparatively flourishing condition. In 1780 Ireland did not owe a fraction, but in 1800 she was in debt to this country 14,000,0001. He would . not dwell -upon th e means b y w hi c h t h e Union was brought „about, although he. hat/. ample authorities to e enable him to do to. Suffice it - Sgar - t _thet,zit - Was cosumrnated by ,the vilest corruption; that the- terms were; dictate& iiy; England while Ireland• was in a defencelees state; with her energies shackled by ; debt, fainitee', and disease ; and from that time to the . present the terms of the union had been continually violated by the British Parliament. - The in crease of the national debt from 1801 until 1810, was caused by England,in order to keep France away, by our fleets, from Ireland, for it was supposed that that country wished to obtain posses. sion of it. Arid how had they accomplished the utter degradation of Ireland ? They gave every man a peerage or 15,0001. who obtained the election of persons in Ireland favourable to the views of England, and those who had peerages and accomplished the work received the 15,0001. Lord Castlereagh gave Et, t 7 th..u ff h the population was 5,000,000 at the time, whilst England with but 9,000,000 obtained 503. Was this, he asked, a fair re presentation of the country ? The result had been that a hostile aristocracy had been created, who, hav ing no sympathy with the country, cared not to see her prosper. The oppression of the Catholics had also added to the misery of the country. They gave absentee landlords the power of evicting their tenants when their arrears were more than two shillings. After creating such an aristocracy as he had described—after twenty-three years of coercion—after resisting emancipation for forty years, were they astonished that Ireland pre sented the deplorable spectacle she did ? It was im possible now to - shackle the Irish mind. An- Act was passed which exempted grass land, from the payment of tithes, so that the Protestant land lord—the great , opponent of the Catholic Church, and he.' might say of their own L--- who had 4,000 acres of grass land, paid no tithes, whilst the Catholic widow, who had gathered manure from the road to grow a' . few pots= toes on her acre of land, paid them. -- (Hear, hear.) These, he contended ; were damnatory facts against the legislation which had been adopted towards Ireland by England both before and since the union. lie was tried in Ireland, in 1832, for r es i s ti ng th e payment of tithes.—(Laughter.) He denied, however, that he was " artful, designing demagogue." If were, he had nothing to gain by it. It was his beast, and he was proud to proclaim it, that he had never received a farthing or eaten a meal for the services which he had rendered to his country. He had conducted more contested elections than many men, but he never expected or to - )k any pay, though as a barrister he was entitled to large fees. He would now come to the question of emigration, and if there was ever a disgrace to any set of men,_ it was to seduce people, able to obtain a livin g in their own country to leave it, in search of labour and the means of existence. The curse of this country had been that in the exact proportion in which liberty increased so had corruption increased, b2cause the Government knew they were able to buy off the noisy demagogues of the country. He would now deal with the free trade question as it would affect the question of repeal. He had the greatest - respect for the lefsler of tbst party (Mi-!-- Cobden). (M.. O'Connor) was oppusen to bon mall he once met him, when he saw so much beneficence in his face, that he was determined from that time to oppose him no more. Labour was the source of wealth, and ought to be protected, and it was all moonshine to talk about Exchequer-bills, Bank Charter Acts, the financial condition of the country, or an) measure to make money cheap, while the foundation of all was neglected.—(Hear.) He would now come to the question of a separate Parliament for the two countries. 'When the Irish Members came to that House now, it must he ad mitted by all that they had no power. Then with respect to the lands in Ireland, he asserted that from that year 1793 to the present moment they had been cultivated according to the science o. politics, and not the science of agriculture. In that house the Members were operated upon by the voices of their constituents outside, Lut such was not the case in Ireland. If Ireland were properly represented in that House there would be no necessity for the Government coming down for a Coercion Bill one year and a loan of ' money another. Another subject of great complaint in Ireland was, and most jaSslllY so, that the whole staff in Ireland down to the present time had been almost without exception Protestants. There was one circumstance which had widened the breach between Englishmen and Irishmen, and that Nve s the exchange of militias. The people of Ireland, irtanY of them at least, had bean rifled of their lands and estates, and it was not to be wondered at that .the descendants of those unfortunate people should still cling to a hope that the property w hi c h they had been wrongfully deprived of shouN _be k stored to them. Had Napoleon instead 'of Wel lington won at Waterloo, many of England's estates might have been confiscated, and he asked the House whether, had such been the case, the pen: pie of this country would have remained satisfied till they had recovered what they had lost ? it was just in this way that the people of Ire land had been deprived of their rights and land' , and he called upon the House to look at the present state of the continent of Europe, at the pre sent state of America, and then to tell him w hether it was safe to disregard the cries of Ireland for $ redress of grievances ? Well, then, let him have this Committee, let them see at once whether Irish agriculture could not be resbred to a state of prosperity, so as to be en abled to supply England with food without her having recourse to foreign granaries. He had been called an infidel—he had been denounced as a revolutionist ; but in his own conscience he felt that no man was doing more to sow the seeds of peace and good-will amongst all classes of society than himself. His every hog was directeil to that subject, and in order that he might not be misrepresented in future he would tell the House and the country, that he was for the altar, the throne, and the cottage, but he wished the altar to be the footstool of God and not the couch of Mammon ; the throne based upon the affections; of the people, and not on the lusts of the aristocracy , and he wished the cottage to be the castle of the freeman, and not the den of the slave. The Hon. Gentleman concluded by moving for a Select' Com mittee in the terms already stated. Mr. FAG-AN seconded the motion. Mr G. GREY was sorry that the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. O'Connor) had felt he had a right to complain of the appeal which he (Sir G. Grey) had made to him in the beginning of the evening to postpone his motion, for the appeal which he had made had refer ence simply to the public interest, and to the advance ment of business which was felt to be of public im portance. He did not know what the feelings migh t be of the Hon. Gentlemen who came from the sister country, to whom the Hon. Member for Nottingham appealed, to show their gratitude for the opportunity which he hail given them of redeeming their pledge; but he could not help thinking that the Hon. Member himself must now he convinced that he would have exercised a wise discretion if he had abstained from pressing this motion..—(Hear.) It appeared to him that the conclusion of the Hon. Member's speech was the most discreet part of it, for if he had not distinctly read the terms of the motion with which he was about to terminate his address to the House, there were very few Members in it, he would venture to 50 99 who could have conjectured what the motion of the Hon. Member would be.—(Hear.) The Hon. Member began with the reign of Edgar, and went throug h the history of Ireland from that period with great rapidity. The Hon. Gentleman had certainly im proved the leisure which:he had enjoyed since he last made his appearance in that House, and had acquired a large stock of antiquarian lore and historical infor mation, with which the Ilouse had been favoured. If he possessed them before, the Hon. Gentleman had not previously displayed to Parliament his stores of knowledge. He was reminded, however, that he was mistaken in this respect. He believed the House was favoured by th. Hon. Gentiennin with information) a similar kind on a former occasion, and that the au• tobiographical notice with an ample portion of which the House had been indulged that evening had, on the occasion in question, been commenced from an earlier period, demonstrating the Honourable Mem ber's descent from the ancient Kings of Ireland.—(A laugh.) But lie really asked the lion. Gentleman whether he intended that the Committee for which he had moved should take up that wide and discursive range of subjects which the Hon. Member's own speech had occupied ? At what period of the history of Ireland were their inquiries to commence ? The Hon. Mem ber had touched, with a very light and rapid hane, upon the various evils which had afflicted Ireland, but he had utterly failed in demonstrating that a repeal of the u n i on wou ld care those evils, or th at those evils which had fallen upon Ireland antecedent to the union could be fairly ascribed to it. Wp. , he recollected th e manner i n w hi c h this question had_.e been discussed on a f ormer occas i on , and the able writings which had issued from the press of late ye he was not p re p are d t o say t h at th e q uestion was one which Parliament s h ou ld en t er t a i n . If the Honour able Gentleman thought that the subject of the re peal of the union was of such great and : ing importance, w hy did h e not honestly ?re nd. manfully take the opini on o f the House on tn question, and why no t move th a t the House resol ve ss b elf into a Committee of the:whole House to d iscus s it ?—(hear, hear.) He really thought that this r',oll a much fairer mode of dealing with the subject t.blies moving for a S e lect Committee to make iliqui! which would occupy, not merely the present 5e 551 2 but all the sessi ons d ur i ng which the presen t Parlia ment could last. ("No, no," from Mr. O'C""r.) If the Committ e e did no t go b ac k to a more rem ote . period, they mu s t at l eas t go b ac k to circumstance' which occurr e d nearly half a c entury ago. 'lle asked .the Hon. G e ntl eman w h e th e r these events were not `yell known ; whether they were not matter of history. (w , ;and whether an y necessary information on the su b j ect as wanted ? The Hon. Gentleman seemed to thing ! , ithet patronage had entered largely into the history 0' Itho. union, He seemed to think that since the moon , also,' . the patronage of the G overnme nt hrd been properly bestowed, because some Irishmen, who wet!' subjects of the United Kingdom, received as much their fair share of public employments. Did the Hon: 'Member believe that if the Irish Parliament were established to-morrow there would be an ab3ence of all patronage exercised b 9 the Government ; or that Members of Per" liament would be so patriotic as to refuse patron: age when offered to them; or that constituents would instantly cease to prefer those requests which were commonly made by constituents to Members of Par liament, and even occasionally by the constituents of Irish Members ?—(Laughter.) He would ask the Hon. Member wnat evil would, in his opinion, be re medied by a repeal of the union ? He (Sir G. Grey) did not now deal with the question whether any . evils had been really occa-ioned by the Act of Union or not ; he was only dealing with the speech of the Hon. Gentleman. The Hon. Gentleman had said that the Irish labourers interfered with the rate of wages re" ceived by the English labourer ; but did he mean to accompany his motion for a repeal of the union by a measure prohibiting the importation of Irish labourers into England, or did he mean to say that an Irish Parliament would pass laws which would prohibit their emigration from their own country? There was, no doubt, some pressure upon the industry of this country from competition with Irish labourers ; but those labourers benfited them gelvei 'by coming here, and were a most valuable class of men—(Bear, hear)-rind he thought that, instead of aiming at complete severance, we should 'endeavour, by fair legislation, and the dis! peesatio'n of equal justice, to consolidate and bind together the two countries. He regretted the tone which the Hon. Member had adopted in regard to religious differences. He was sure that the spirit o successive Governments had been of late years to avoid the sectarian bigotry which marked the Admi nistrations of former times.—(Cheers.) The Hon. Gentleman had endeavoured to make this a question between Protestant and Catholic, but he (Sir G. Grey) hoped that these differences between Pro testant and Catholic were losing much of their bitter ness. lie thought that the Committee could lead to no beneficial result, and might induce the delusive notion that the House was prepared to entertain the question of the propriety of repealing the union. He really hoped, therefore, that this motion might be disposed of without that long debate which the Hon. Gentleman seemed to anticipate. Mr. O'CONNOR, in explanation, said, that he was quits ready to propose a distinct motion for the repeal of the union, and expressed a hope that the Right Hon. Gentleman would second it.—(Laughter.) Mr. H. GRATTAN said that the Hon. Member for Nottingham had thought proper to say that tie (Mr. Grattan) knew nothing of history.. In return he might be allowed to say that the Hon. Member himself knew nothing of it. When the li o n. Member 3 ~ti.