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begged to direct their lordships' attention to the working of the Encumbered Estates Court in Ireland. In the period of five years ending in 1854 no fewer than 2,400 cases were tried and disposed of by that Court. Of these 1,448 terminated in sal., and the value of the property sold amounted to 14,133,0001 , there-having been given in each case an absolute indefeasible Parliamentary title. The cost of the whole proceedings was exceedingly light, but if it bad been much larger it would have been as no thing compared with the incalculable advantages obtained under the act. So much were these advantages appre ciated that in many instances frauds were committed in order to bring property under the operation of the act. Perhaps they might be called pious frauds, though on that point he was not called to give an opinion ; but at the same time, he might say that as be did not believe there was such a thing as a white lie, so neither did he believe there could be a pious fraud. But, at any rate, frauds were committed. People trumped up debts— signed bills, for example, when there was no transactions, and made it appear that there encumbrances on pro perty, so as to enable them to come within the scope and the advantages of the Encumbered Estates Court. Now, why should inestimable benefits like these be con fined to encumbered estates ? He thought there ought to be an extension of the Encumbered Estates Act to all cases—that principle to be carried out by proceeding in the Court of Chancery, where a modification in the pro cedure now in force ought to take place. An indefeasible title was given to all land purchased and sold under the Ordnance Department, compensation being given if within a certain period a claim was put forward for the land ; and he saw no reason why they should not go across the channel to France for an example of legislation on this point. in that country the period of "limitation," as it was called, was 10 years, whereas in our own coun try it was 30, and in many cases 40 years. It was no doubt suspicious to be asked to copy foreign institutions, bat when those institutions were found to have produced great good, as the laws regulating the transfer of land in Ireland, in France, Belgium, and America had done, it would be most improper not to avail ourselves of the examples which those countries afforded. He hoped the noble and learned lord on the woolsack would be able to assure the house that bill s upon thi s su bj ec t were in a i forward state, and would be speedily laid before Parlia ment. He would only add, that it was of the greatest importance that those who were intrusted with the drawing up of titles to property should possess a com plete and accurate knowledge of their profession, and therefore he trusted that the Inns of Court would see the necessity of requiring all persons to undergo a com pulsory examination before being called to the bar. The LORD CHANCELLOR said the subject referred to by the noble and learned lird was as difficult as it was important, and had not escaped the attention of the Government. Soon after he received the Great Seal, in 1853, he introduced a bill which tended to facilitate the transfer of land. The bill passed their lordship's house, bat did not become law, it having been referred to a committee of the other house, which recommended the appointment of a commission to consider the whole sub ject. A Royal Commission was accordingly issued in 1853, but, although the commissioners had not been idle, they were not able to present a report until the present year. In the meantime, however, he had pre pared a measure which he believed would be found in harmony with the recommendations of the commission ers, and that bill he hoped soon to be able to lay upon the table of their lordships' house. One of the greatest complications which were found in dealing with landed property arose from the imperfect manner in which charges upon such property were made. The bill to which he referred proposed to substitute a more simple for the present complicated system of mortgages and judgments, and to allow a declaration to be made of any charga given to any person upon any particular pro perty, and instead of there lasing contained in the same instrument powers of sale, of appointing receivers, &c., as now, he proposed that a mere charge upon land should contain all the provisions now to be found in mortgage deeds. He also proposed that the Court of Common Pleas should establish a register of mortgage', so that any oue about to purchase or lend money upon land might ascer tain exactly the charges which were upon it. He feared that the varied nature of our settlements and the various uses to which land was applied in this country rendered it chimerical to expect that the transfer of land could ever be made as easy as the transfer of bank stock, but be thought, nevertheless, that great improvements might be effected, and he could assure their lordships that dur ing the ensuing recess the subject should receive his fullest attention. Lord CAMPBELL expressed a hope that the laws relatin ,to real property wo u ld soon b e amen d e d . H e had ho that he mi g ht go d own t o poster i ty as t h e author General Registrati on A c t, b ut th at h onour i lr, vpss dens d him. He rejoiced to find, however, that the subject was again taken up, and he should certainly give it his most earnest support. Earl FITZ WILLIAM suggested that io addition to establishing a new form of conveyance all other forms should be rendered absolutely illegal. Without an en actment of that kind, any measure which might be passed would fail to cure the evil. He did not think that it would be easy, even if desirable, to transfer land with the same facility as bank stock. The subject was then allowed to drop. ST. JAMES'S PARK. The Earl of MALMESBURY, understanding that there was to be a Council that evening at the Palace, at which noble Voris opposite were probably anxious to be present, woule pestpone his motion on the subject of St. James's Park to a future day. SALE OF OBSCENE BOOKS, &c., PREVENTION BILL. Lord CAMPBELL regretted that he could not follow the noble earl's example, and postpone this bill, but he feared if he did not bring it forward that evening there would be no hope of carrying the measure during this ses sion. When he moved the second reading he was much surprised at the remarks made by, and the opposition he met with from his noble and learned friend opposite, and ho made up his mind at the moment to abandon the bill altogether; but since that he had received such strong solicitations to proceed with it from various members of that house, from many clergymen of all denominations, medical men, fathers of families, and from young men who them•elves had been inveigled into these recep tacles of abomination, and suffered most lamentable con sequences from their indiseretion, that he felt it his duty to bring the measure again under their lordships' con sideration, and having made various alterations in it to meet the objections advanced on the second reading he hoped it would now meet with their approbation. He bad no desire to interfere with books, or pictures, or prints, such as his noble and learned friend (Lord Lynd buret) had described. The keeping, or the buying, or the liking, of such things must always be left to the taste of individuals. It was not a subject for law that persons designedly manufactured such things as the hid did refer to with the intention of corrupting the public morals—it was necessary for the law to interpose and save the public from the contamination that such things were calculated to produce. He now knew more cer tainly than he did before that there were receptacles for the sale of lewd books and prints, and that the most lamentable effects were the consequence, and which the present state of the law was altogether insufficient to meet. An indictment might be brought, but the con viction acted as an advertisement of the place where such publications were to be obtained, and the result was to increase the sale. The only remedy was to give a right—(accompanied, of course, with such safeguards as should prevent abuse)—to search for these immoral books and prints, and to seize them. He did not pro pose to create any new offence a misdemeanour—as it was, he proposed to give additional facilities for dis covering the perpetrators of it and bringing them to justice. He had modified the bill in a manner that he trusted would relieve it from any further objec tion. It consisted originally only of two clauses ; one empowering the justice, upon an affidavit being made that there was reason to suspect that these pub lications were kept for sale or exhibition at a par flea/Jr place, to issue his warrant to search and to seize The other clause gave a power to the Chief Commissioner of Police, on reasonable ground, to issue a warrant for the same purpose. He confessed be did not think the liberty of the subject would have been in any great dan ger if, in such cases, the same power was given to the police of this metropolis which the police of every other capital in Europe possessed. That was, however, ob jected to by his noble and learned friend, and he (Lord Campbell) was most reluctantly compelled to abandon that part of the bill, and to accept the bill as he could get it, on the principle that halt a loaf was better than no bread, (" Hear, hear," and a laugh.) He proposed also to amend the first clause, by requiring that the com plainant should make affidavit that he bad reason " to be lieve" such books and prints were kept in store for the purposes of sale or exhibition at a particular place, instead of that he had reason " to suspect," and that he should set forth the grounds of his belief, whereupon the justice, if satisfied with such grounds, should issue his warrant ; that was if he was satisfied there wero suffi cient grounds for believing that there were such books and prints for sale, the Bale or exposure of which would amount to a misdemeanour at common law. Further, he required that the magistrate should not only be satis• fled that they were such books as would amount to a misdemeanour, but a misdemeanour prosecutable by in dictment. Lord LYNDHURST—Are those all the chane Lord CAMPBELL —There were others,but they were all in the form of safeguards. He concluded by moving the committee on the bill. The house went into committee accordingly, and the clauses were agreed to. ,The Sites for Workhouses 13111 and Charitable Uses Bill were read a second time. . The Gland Juries (Ireland) Act (1836) Amendment ,Bill, the Turnpike Trusts Arrangement Bill, and the Henly Borough Incorporation Bill were severally read a third time and passed, Tke Militia (Ireland) Act (1354) Amendment Bill passed through committee. The Dulwich College Bill and the Oxford University Bill were reported with amendments. _ Their lordships adjourned at a quarter-past 7 o'clock ROUSE OF COMMONS.—(YESTERDAY.) and Clyde Juno- The SPRAXE R took the chair at four o'clock. The Lord, Aniend men t s to the Forth tion R a il way and Saint Philip's Church ( L iverpool) Bills were considered and agreed to. The Londo n Gas Light Company (Capital); Metro politan Cattle Market • North Level Drainage ; Roads ; Reading Railways Junction Railway Salisbury and Yeovil Railway Orkney South - E Rail way (Greenwich J unction to Dartford, &c.), S asterr wan - sea H Gas, o and West of Fi arbur Trust and S.wansea D oc k Company, V ic toria fe read a third time and pa sse d. Mineral Railway bills wer The Bourne and Essendi n e R a il wa , y, Ilington Pari Acts Amendment; Rhymney R ai l way ; Tsweed Fisheries s! ; Lancaster and Carlisle and Ingietort Railw a y ; and Thames and Medway Conservancy Bills were further considered and ordered to be read a third time. The Hereford Cathedral Restoration Bill was read a second time. THE THAMES AND MEDWAY CONSERVANCY BILL. Sir J. GRAHAM called the attention of the house to this bill, which proposed to deal with the question that had been a long timein dispute between the Corporation of London and the Crown, relative to waste spots on the embankments of the Thames. The bill pro posed to deal with two points of great public import ance, viz., the constitution of the body of the conser vators ; and, secondly, as to the funds to be raised from shipping by that body. He was of opi nion that the conservancy body, instead of being nominated, as was proposed by the bill, by a close body, should be elected by those who had to pay the due--, and, secondly, that dues should not be le vied upon shipping, and should not beexacted to a greater extent than shipping purposes required. He asked whe ther the recommendation of the Board of Trade were not to the proposed constitution of the former, and read ex tracts from the report of the Board of Trade showing that the corporation of London would possess greater powers under the formation of the conservancy body than the Government. In reference to the second point, the right hon. baronet also read extracts from reports of the Board of Trade, and said that the bill would not carry out the recommendation of the Board of Trade for the reduction of the dues if any surplus remained to be carried out. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that no departure of the principle laid down in the re port of the London Corporation Committee had been assented to by the Government. The only variation that had been made was one of detail, and not of prin ciple. The dispute between the Government and the Corporation of London was with reference to the right to pieces of wasteland between high and low water. The Corporation claimed it as conservatories of the Thames,and appled the funds to the conservancy of the river, and the Government claimed the bed and shores of the river between high and low water mark as belonging to the Crown. The right hon. gentleman proceeded to de tail at considerable length the disputes between the cor poration and the Government relative to this matter, which it was attempted to settle in 1846, and what had been done subsequently towards that object. The board was to consist of six members of the corporation, three to be appointed by Government and two by the Trinity-house, which, he thought, would give the Government a fair preponderance, because he con sidered more weight ought to be given to the persons nominated by Government than to their members. If the Corporation of London were found to act improperly, the matter would be reconsidered by the Government with a view to its alteration. Mr. L. KING moved the adjournment of the debate till that day week. After some remarks from Mr. W. WILLIAMS, ... Mr. LABOUCHERE resisted the motion for the adjournment of the debate. The bill had been referred to a select committee and thoroughly examined, and the whole of the facts were known to the house. He was still of the opinion he had formerly expressed that a tax levied in a given port upon shipping should be applied to the shipping purposes of that port, and be under the controul of a separate body. Sir D. L. EVANS asked what amount of taxation would be conceded to the corporation under this bill, and expressed an opinion that no greater taxes should be levied on the shipping of the port than was ne cessary for its conservancy. Several important ques tions were involved in this bill, and he should sup port the hon. and learned baronet, the member for Carlisle, for an adjournment. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said it was not proposed, by this bill, to give new pOwer to tax shipping. The present navigation fund was in arrears 2,8441., and he thought it was not likely that the income would be increased. Mr. HENLEY approved of the constitution of the proposed board, and expressed an opinion that adjourn ing the debate would be injurious to the parties inte rested. He thought this bill proposed a satisfactory arrangement, considering the right of the respective parties were in dispute. Sir J. GRAHAM would not press for a division, but wait till the further stage of the bill. In the meantime he advised hnn. members to read the reports of the Board of Trade in reference to this subject. If he read the bill rightly, there was a new principle in it for taxing ship ping between Putney and Teddington, and an appropri ation of the surplus, to which he also objected. It also dealt with matters relative to the coal and corn duties. He proposed that the bill should not be advanced a stage, but that it should stand over, and the matter con sidered before itg third reading. Sir G. GREY said it was not a Government bill, but arrangements should be made to meet the views of the house. Sir J. SHELLEY suggested that the third reading of the bill should stand over till this day week. He would then recommend the withdrawal of the amendment. Sir J. DUKE defended the conduct of the Corporation of London in introducing this bill. Sir G. GREY said that no private bill would be re ceived after Wednesday next by the House of Lords. He suggested that the third reading should stand over tit Tuesday. The amendment was withdrawn,And the third reading fixed for Tuesday next. TEWKESBURY ELECTION. Mr. ELLICE jun., reported that the committee ap pointed to inquire into the election of Tewkesbury de clared Mr. J. Martin duly elected for that borough. INDIA. Lord C. HAMILTON asked the First Lord of the Trea-ury, what day he would give for the conclusion of the Indian debate, the adjournment of which on the 23d June was agreed to by the President of the Board of Control on the ground of the great importance of the subject. Lord PALMERSTON said he was unable to fix a definite period fur the resumption of the debate, owing to the pressure of business. ORDNANCE SURVEY. Sir D. NORREYS asked the Secretary to the Trea sury when the supplemental estimate for the ordnance survey of Scotland would be presented to the house ; and whether any orders or instructions had been issued to the Ordnance Department in respect of the scale on which the Survey of Scotland and England was to be drawn in future. Mr. WILSON could not state the precise time when the supplemental estimates would be presented. After the decision of the house, orders had been issued to the Ordnance Department, that all work commenced from this time should be drawn on the 6.inch scale. POSTAL COMMUNICATION BETWEEN LON DON AND DUBLIN. Mr. CORRY asked the Secretary to the Treasury whether the Government had accepted the conditions of a contract for an improved Postal and Passenger Communication between London and Dublin. Mr. WILSON said that, with the exception of one point of a trifling character, arrangements had been made between the Great Northern Railway and the Post-office for the conveyance of the mail. The land passage would be performed in 34 hours, and the whole service between London and Kingston would occupy 11 hours, and between London and Dubli❑ 11. hours. THE CASE OF JOHN TILLEY. Mr. DRUMMOND asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what report he had received from the Commissioners of Lunacy with regard to the com plaint of Thomas Tilley, that he had been confined in an iron jacket in a dark room for seven weeks in the Bever ley Retreat for Lunatics near York, to which Commis sioners the said complaint was sent for investigation ? Sir G. GREY said that this lunatic was a violent man, but the commissioners had condemned, in strong terms, the particular treatment complained of, which conduct would not be repeated in future. BOARD OF HEALTH ACT. On the motion of adjournment, Mr. PALK asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if it was the intention of the Government to bring in a bill to remedy the defects proved before a elect committee of the present Board of Health ? Sir G. GREY said that a bill had been prepared to remedy the defects in the Act of 1848, but he could not Admit that the Board of Health had been so much con demned by a select committee as the hon. gentleman seemed to infer. The bill to be introduced contained considerable improvements upon the Act of 1848. BRITISH GUIANA. Mr. T. BARING, after adverting to a petition he had received from British Guiana, asked whether her Majesty's Government had adopted any measures to fa cilitate immigration into that colony ? He thought that an abundant supply of free labourers could be obtained, under proper regulations, from Africa, India, and China. Mr. LABOUCHERE was anxious to give every faci lity for the introduction of free labourers from every quarter into the colonies, provided the existing condi tions be maintained. These conditions were absolutely necessary to protect the immigrants, and to guard against the horrors of slavery being revived under an other name. With regard to emigration from China, Lord Elgin bad been instructed to obtain the fullest and most authentic information on the subject. The atten tion of the Indian Government had also been directed to the matter. DIVORCE BILL. Lord PALMERSTON, in reply to a question from Mr. Drummond, said that, on Mondr.7 next, he should fix the day for the second reading of the Divorce bill. INDIA. Mr. HADFIELD thought it rather unjust to India that time could, not bo sphred to d,i4cuss important mat• tern relative to the interest© of that country, when a whol e n i g h t was wasted discuss i ng t h e pr i ce o f a s i ngle picture. Lord A. V. TEMPEST inquired when the President of the Board of Control would make his financial state ment, and hoped it would be before the festive season of the whitebait dinner? Sir E. PERRY suggested that forth° future the state ment should be made within the first 10 days of the session. Mr. V.I.SMITII said that it was the house itself anal rot Government which was to be blamed for the delay in his bringing forward the Indian budget, as it wished to get rid of its business before discussing a matter which would lead to no immediate result. Re could ❑ut, in the present state of public libusiness,.prorniFe it before the end of the month. As regarded the emigra tion of the coolies, the back passage was a matter on which, for the protection of the coolies themselves, th e Indian Government looked with the greatest possible jealousy. He had, however, written a despatch upon the subject, and would forward the wishes of the peti tioners with the greatest possible pleasure. Mr. KERSHAW said, although there might be an the deepest interest in a pathy in the house with regard to Indian affairs, the beginning to take country was join is them. He begged to join ic the appeal which had been LEE SUN, LONDON, SATURDAY EVENING, JULY 4 1857 come when all the colonies would provide their own go- in the next, 872 ; in the next, 1,117 ; and in the last vernors. I half-year, 1,325. These figures alone showed the value Mr. BRISCOE wished to know whether the charge o f t h e harbour, and justified him in asking the committee for Jamaica was to be permanent ? to accede to the vote. Mr. LABOUCHERE had pledged himself to the pre- Sir C. NAPIER wanted to know whether the packets : sent governor to endeavour to obtain it as long as he from Ireland were included in those numbers which bad continued in office. just been given to the connnitttee, for it so they alone Mr. CROSSLEY thought all the colonies should pay would explain the increase. their own governors. Mr. BENTINCK thought the gallant member had Mr. WILLIAMS withdrew his amendment. fallen into a mistake. The numbers which the right hon. The vote was then agreed to. baronet had read referred to the new harbour, whereas 21,450/. for the salaries of stipendiary justices in the the packets stopped at the old harbour. (Hear, hear, West Indies. from Sir C. Wood.) This, therefore, met the objection Mr. WILLIAMS objected to the first item of 7,2001. of the hon. and gallant member. for magistrates in Jamaica. The charge had been in- Mr. LINDSAY said that the words of the vote troduced at the time of the emancipation of the slaves, showed that the intention of the Government was to but now appeared to be permanent. make this port a postal station for America. So far as ' Mr. LABOUCHERE said that the charge would not the increased number of ships went, the amount of ton be permanent unless the magistrates were immortal, nage in the returns furnished, showed that many of The arrangement was that as they died out their places them - could be but fishing smacks. should not be filled up, and there was a reduction of Mr. KINNAIRD pointed out that one of the main 2,8501. in the vote this year in consequence of deaths. objects of a harbour of refage was the savicg of life ; Mr. BENTINCK did not wish the vote to pass with- and whether that was saved—so long as it was saved— out calling to the recollection of the committee the on board great ships or small ones, was immaterial. treatment which the West India Islands had received Mr. O'FLAHERTY thought there ought to be an in from the mother country, and the distress it had pro- quiry before making this port a point of departure for dosed, America. Some such ulterior result, he believed was The vote was then agreed to, as was the next, at t h e b ottom o f th e vote. 10,2301. for the civil establishment on the western coast Mr. LOCKE protested against the increase which had of Africa. been made upon this vote. If such things were allowed, 19,6091. for charges connected with the Island of St. it was impossible for the house to keep a due guard over Helena. the public purse. Mr. WILLIAMS asked for an explanation as to the Mr. SCHNEIDER bore testimony to the benefits sum of 18,8141. which the governor had drawn from the which Holyhead Harbour had conferred on the coasting commissariat chest in four years, from 1847 to 1851, trade. under a misunderstanding, as it was now alleged, and Mr. HUDSON thought that something ought to be which sum the house was called on to make good this done for the harbours of the north of England, which, year. as matters stood, were taxed and got nothing in return Mr. WILSON said until a few years ago the colony from the national exchequer. He did not find fault with l of St. Helena was supported by a vo t e o f that house. In the present vote, but he asked the Government not to 1846 it was determined that it s h ou ld i n future pay its spend all their money upon one place to the exclusion of own expenses. The governor of the colony at that the north of England. period, misapprehending the instructions which he re- The vote was then agreed to. ceived from the Colonial-office, thought he was justified 224,0001. harbours of refuge. in drawing upon the commissariat chest, as he had Mr. HENLEY called attention to the expenditure on theretofore done, on account of defi c i en cies in the ex- the works at Dover, and wished to know whether the penses of the island. That went o n f or a b o ut four years whole of the plan of the commissioners was to be car without being discovered, when a T reasur y mi n ute was vied out ? The hon. member proceeded to recapitulate passed ordering the repayment of the money ; but the the various reports of commissioners from 1834 up to the colony being unable to pay anythi ng b e y on d its current latest period, inferring from thence that the great pre expenses, the money had not b een repaid. Under these ponderance of decision was so conclusively in favour of circumstances it was thought best to prepare a separate Dover as a harbour of refuge as to make its completion estimate to make good the deficiency. a national necessity. Having gone through this prelirni- The vote was then agreed to, as were also the fol- nary matter, he turned to the progress of the works in lowing : that harbour, asserting that the country should have 9601. for the colony of Heligoland, and 3,831/. for the some certain information as to what Government meant Falkland Islands. to do with this great work. The first contract was taken On the vote of 5,7001. for Labnan, for 800 feet, the second for 1,000 feet, but all proceeding Mr. WILLIA.MS asked for explanation of the on the improved plan 0f1839-46: Up to the present time grounds on which the vote still appeared in the esti- the progress of the works had been extremely slow, mates, notwithstanding the admitted failure of the only 1,800 feet out of 1e mile, The rate was not more colony. t' , an 100 feet per annum ; indeed it did not proceed even Mr. LABOUCHERE said he must admit that La- at that rate. The committee were aware that this work buan had hitherto been a source of great disappoint- was being constructed by means of the diving bell, and ment as well as expense. (Hear, hear.) At the same no praise could be too great of the skill and perseverance time, he thought the Government who first took the of the engineers and other persons connected with the matter up were quite justified in pursuing work. The Secretary of the Treasury said the other night that course, considering that there was a magnificent if works of this kind—speaking of Halyhead harbour— harbour, and tbat the coal mines were of great apparent were carried out at all, they ought to be done quickly, importance in reference to communication with the east. as, until they were completed, a great amount of capital The company that undertook to work the coal mines was locked up, and yielded no return. With every had not certainly been as successful as it was ex- word of that he concurred. Mr. Walker and pected to be, but the government were not disposed to Mr. L. Vignolles both recommended that this work give up the matter until the enterprise had had a fair should be carried on at two points at once ; but that trial. bad not been done. He would now call attention to the Mr. MAGUIRE thought it was not essential to a state of progress of these works. In 1854, 800 feet were fair trial that the treasurer should receive 5001. a year. completed ; 1,000 feet more to be completed in 1864 Mr. LABOUCHERE considered it aecessary that They were now in deep water, and there remained to be the treasurer should b e a ge n tleman on whom full reliance carried out besides these 1,800 feet which were contracted could be placed, for, 8,000 feet, and at the rate of progress which had The vote Was then agreed to. hitherto been maintained it would be 85 years before 10,000/. was then voted for the colony of Hong Kong. the work was completed. But this was not all, because On the vote of 13,4241. for the expenses of the Erni- from the greater difficulty of laying the foundations in gration Board, 1855 only 46 feet were put in, and in 1856 50 feet. At Mr. ADDERLEY said at the time when this vote this rate they would not finish the work for 200 years. commenced the colonies took hardly any part in the In 1855 Mr. Walker reported that the progress of the promotion of emigration. They now took a very active work was delayed from the chalky foundation proving part. At one time it was a great object with the ien- not so good as near the shore, and that in three months pefial legislature to induce the poor to emigrate, because they had been obliged to go 2 feet deeper. In Ju1y,1856, there was supposed to be a surplus population. The Mr. Walker said the soft nature of the bottom still re reverse was the case now, It was, however, still a tarded the progress of the works. In Oct., 1856, another great object with the colonies, and he hoped it would change took place, and they got to the depth of 45 feet. long continue to be so, to encourage emigration from In April, 1857, Mr. Walker said they were now at a Great Britain in preference to emigration from any depth of 46 feet on a foundation of broken flint and sand, other part of the world ; and it followed from this that which, however, he did not thick was a very bad foun they should bear the burden of the expenditure. Under dation. He thought he was quite warranted from these these circumstances he thought the Emigration Board statements in asking what time the Government ex should be discontinued. There was one portion of the pected this work to be completed, if they determined to vote which he had no wish to interfere with, namely, go on with it ? He also wished to know if any measures that which comprised the expense of the officers who had been taken by Government to know what the silt were entrusted with the carrying out of the Passengers ing up had been I He should also like to be informed Act, bnt he saw no reason why those officers should not what injury had been done by storms ? In a report of be attached to the Colonial Office. If no alteration Mr. Walker's in 1851, it was stated tbat in a storm took place before next year, he should then call the at- which happened in that year, 200 tons of stones were tention of the house to the subject, and move that the displaced. In 1853 something of the same kind took Emigration Board be abolished. place, and 240 feet of the staging was carried away in Mr. LA.BOUCHERE said the hon.`gentleman seemed 1855. These things accounted for the slow progress of to think that the business of the Emigration Commis- the work, but he thought that these facts made it the sioners was diminished, but he could assure him that more important for them to know if Government in such was not the case. He had indeed been enabled to tended to go on with the work, and at what speed. recommend that the establishment should be diminished After a few words from let his h r o . n A f T ri ll en T Pl l ;a'd gone at some to the amount of one commissioner, and he believed that, Sir C. WOOD said various harbours of refuge, conducted. • The hoard had still very important duties for him to follow him did not know that it was necesary . n ti o o t:lt w h o st3;2 . din g th o e . , carrying public o u departmentt o f that re c w o m a e me betternd a.. length into the subjectwhic o h f h w a n d io l h ed D t o o v t e h r e w fo a r s m oo at e i . on H of e to perform, in connexion with passenger vessels, Cooliegentleman had t ( h io e s s o lig b h y te r s e t . emigration, and claims made on the Treasury, and it ii i eu rri l that, ionsll statement, ot i.: h rreav I,, a ei ri nn d ifrs greater detail, doetua ira h is e cellaneous expendi would, for the present at least, be quite impossible to tu r re in g 1848 before the given committee on which he was ex dispense with their services. amined at great length on this subject. Two commissions Mr. BRISCOE would be sorry to see the vote discon- had sat upon this matter, it was fully considered for a con tinued, belie v i n g that great improvement had resulted siderable period by different governments, and the result from the l a b our s of the board in the case of emigration was that in the year 1847 the works at Dover were coin ships. menced. The right hon. gentleman had very truly stated Mr. MAGUIRE said, in order to show the necessity that a very great n um b er o f gen tl emen l earne d i n suc h for having emigration officers, he w i s h e d to observe that matters had been examined, and that they had given very he knew one case, that of a large vessel, in which two or discordant opinions. He (Sir Charles Wood) was afraid three hundred emigrants were about to embark, in which that the house, if they continued to discuss the question it was discovered that one-half of what was termed bread o t ho re great engineers construction, eNevrosultod whom ho h m e oL d li r k e e f l e - re t - . likely 'd agree was in reality clay made up in the form of biscuits. In gard g to the important question whether the Government another case, a vessel of 1,500 tons was examined by the had made up its mind to construct the whole harbour as re officer's three times before she s a il e d from the port of commended by the committee, he was afraid that he could Liverpool, and on each occasion was found to be pro. not give a very decided answer; because it w as a quest i on vided with the full complement of men as her c rew . N o w hi c had never yet been seriously discussed by any go sooner had the last inspection terminated and the offieers vernment. What was recommended as indispensable at left the vessel, when a hooker came alongs . de and took the commencement of the larger harbour, and what was away twelve of the was drivenmen, After it o sailing,cork harbour h most valuable in itself, if the ultimate decisio n s h ou ld b e n te vessel es i s n el verygoshe the Government decided on doing, namely, to c arry out bad condition, grants on board. the pier 730 feet, beginning at Cheeseman's Head. The Mr. KINNAIRD feared that the existence of the period calculated for the completion of that work in the Emigrati on that they ,night NevA c E Board do p t r o ev p e r n o t m e o d te m th e ec i o ga l r on t i i e o. Colonies from doing all re p or t o f the co m m i ss i on was seven y ears , an d i n seven years it was completed. In 1853 a seco n d con t ract was wished to know on what principle free entered into for an extension of the work 1,000 feet co mplaints in Ireland that it depended in a !' i y ilnr g ' fur emigration was encouraged by the Government? There w ou llcp be wo . uld to accomplishth o mi o naltiesi existingg design harbour ufcsr" political influence. He should be glad pier the westward it was to be understood that free ems- into 64 or 7 fathoms water. That, then, was the extent were many confined to artisans and domestic sere to which any decision had been come. That length had been contracted for, and even if the ultimate decision should be not to construct the larger harbour, a most gt g or ratione knowa t d e wasg whetherr ee t o o a b e vents ? valuable work would have been executed, not only for the Mr. LABOUCHERE could assure the hon. gentleman protection of the present harbour, but for providing the that political influence, at all events, bad nothing to do means of holding any sized steamers at any time of the with the matter, in illustration of which he might ob- tide, The hon. gentleman opposite had asked what would serve that all the appointments in the emigration de- be the effect of the work upon the present ha r b our, an d he was happy to be able to say that, so fas as th e s hi ng l e was concerned,it had been most satisfactory. Th e resu l t c p i a p r i t e me on n t which were free made passages by it its p w er e m re an g e i n v t en head. was th T a h t e of pr e n in . - showed that the erection of the pier had had th e d es i red deavouring to meet the requirements of the colonies, as effect of preventing the accumulation of shi ng l e, and communicated on their behalf to th e commissioners, affording very great protection, so far as it went, from as, the south-west gales, which were the dan gerous winds at Thefrom board their a e o. n e d e ndeavoured n condition,red to s e n w d e roeut s mos tuch likelyem ig emigrants s prove Dover; whilst the work itself had been executed in a useful members of colonial society. manner that reflected the highest credit both on the The vote was then agreed to. engineer and contractor. With reference to the rate 2,1751. was voted to discharge the balance due to the of progress, that depended entirely upon the amount of commissariat chest, on account of relief afforded to die- money voted by the house. But it could not be said that what had been done had not already bee n o f the tressed emigrants in Canada , greatest possible utility. It was not a work which wou ld b e HARBOURS OF REFUGE. useless until the whole was complete. On the contrary, as soon as a certain portion of it was constructed a certain d t the et harbouro grant 12 0 0 f , roeofoa/g. e f for theHo Holyhead, y s steam , p a c - effect was produced, which effect would be increased by Dover could ever be k e wito harbour a. the rbLoloNr proposal pabs A Y observed that the original estimate every 50 feet that were added to it. With regard to the under this head having been 650,0001., the expenditure, tqhusestionof breakwater silting had pbtohte iharbour,that e shpeefootund producedon inqui ry any thatper. including the present estimate, amounted to no less than were agreed t t h h e a r t e, i f f o this t vote was would atop s supposed dcep s t i i r b c le . effect NAr l o E ne n w c a li y d or bo th t e so o o th b e o r w . properly termed a harbour of refuge, for how was it possi proposed to extend the pier 500 feet further into the sea. ble that vessels could get round the Foreland to it in a wee- The expenditure which had been incurred had been de terly gale ? Its only use would be to serve as a harbour for Holyhead. From an official paper which he held in his our steamers in time of war, and sots protect the thousands fended partly on the ground of the increasing trade of of vessels which covered the Downs. It was perfect non hand, it appeared that in the six months ending the 30th sense to regard it in any other light, and ho advised the l ed to N t o h r e co o u ut id lay it June, 1852, the number of vessels that entered the bar- Government, therefore, to finish off the works they had bour was 255, and that in the six months ending June 30, now on hand. In his opinion, if a harbour of refuge io wr 1856, the number was 1,117. He was curious to know made anywhere, toto it o o o ugr e to an be s e . ithg ea t r, S hea d r l h, or n what tonnage these figures represented. The tonnage of proximity the Goodwin d . ( the 255 vessels was 15,283 tons, or 60 tons each ; while if heard Mr G._ . _ from Mr. Henley and Sir Charles Napier showed 1 steamer of 80 tons register entered the port of Holyhead W. 13 ENTINCK said that what the house had pretty clearly that the best thing to do was to stick to the every day, that would only give a tonnage of 14,600 plan of 1,800 feet from Cheesoman's Head. The tons, Why, if his own ships were to enter the harbour originaloint they had now to consider was, who was the reopen of Holyhead and anchor there each day, the return from s p ible party to originate these harbours, to decide upon the that would amount to the fabulous sum of 3,000,000 tons. B u t the government seemed to have an intention locality, and also upon the manner in which the works to bring the American packet service to Holyhead ; but c l ear ly understood before they came to a deci sion . A should be carried out. That was a point which ought to be if the American service were to be changed, it would go committee had recently been appointed to inquire into the at that moment, to some point far west—either Milford Haven or Gal- subject of harbours of refuge, t a t n o d t it o w se as not t his intention e way. The fact was, that these harbours of refuge would to offer the slightest disrespect ha committeegen lemen ; but he never be finished sU ' long as money was voted by the Sir C. House of Commons. He would not divide the committee like th t e te se rl hehad ust mentioned, was simply ridiculous. It must say that to . submit to such . questions y impossible j for the ablest men in that house to deal wasu with these subjects, for this reason—that the evidence bour of refuge until the First Lard of the Admiralty had an opportun. • such that they must be able to test meat, nor propose any reduction, but wait they had to examine was sty of explaining this vote. from practical knowledge the value of that evidence before s der a misapprehension upon this subject, for so far back conversant with inquiries before committees of this housetrongest as 1847 it WOOD said that the hon. member seemed un- they could arrive at a decision. Every gentleman who was was decided that this harbour should be a bar- knew that local engineers would . often express th had already doubt in good faith, but still . influenced bad ample information on this subject. In by entirely 1843 a commiss• n 8%1.- 1844 an • fact no ion was and a report made ; inof as well as a packet station. The house opinions in favour of their own particular lo lo s c o a a s l lit p y r , oi n u o . engineer reported ;in 1846 another commission engineers, he defied them to test the value of suc . .„ aence and ascertain which was the man who was giv o i m oi: r eported ; and then the Treasury made the necessary ad thtelouca.li- ythainscee. The hon. member also seemed to think that mittee. When they came to decide as to the best diffi t harbour tended to shift was bei ng i ncreas ed on the ground of the ties for Harbours of refuge they came to a still he m believed rade of Holyhead, evidence, and which was trying to impose upon Nothing of the kind. There was in cult question ; and this committee, of England, for packets to carried on at nolvh d It was purely as a harbour was the best locality, say on the east coast North Sea pilots of refuae, Another ea • • a harbour of refuge, upon the evidence of i. wat possible trade —certainly none worth speaking of—being there was only one naval man, woulduhuavehtiouhdecide which her was the ide raisapprebension of the hon. mem and masters of coasters. In a ease like hat what possil)le chaflce bad a committee of this house, utile's practically mieht take Holyhead, and ' is o b all e that thea which lie entertained it was in- chance had a committee of this house, airless with any point of stoppage of the . American conversant with the subject, of cross-questioningthing was nee _ Holyhead The truth was this—it had been found that occ•si n .v' mails. But the-advantage men of that description ? The . the esrk, I n American packets touches at the upone -eine 0n.,.,., which those ad therefore been suggested that they and unless they knew the authority b a they were put a Id in or land their p a drop their stop to the. batter. Ho trusted, then that the houspw c o o u ad therefore of such stoppages either to take works were to be carried out the sooner ssengers, or to take . in or hon. gentleman large mittee just appointed, and how far it was intended the art a complaint was this- -that a very He protested number of ships •inquiries of that committee should extend. Holyhead. , e _ availed themselves o• f this harbour atwaste of public , great fact which stood in the way of the be informed what were the questions referred to the rn valuable station increasing f money. It was said that i't would be a from Year t and from . month to month. •tx d that number had it creased and was time of war ; but it was What th housefrom which to watch Cherbourgin • oue c l i j ear, consider , gas the number of against the harbour of Alderney as a useless vessels takin e `: to 'Plymouth. He felt, therefore, gre uge in the harbour, • nos the amount or hours of Portsmouth and tonnage, Starting from the half-ye sin, 6r ending in June, disposed to move that the vote be reduced by the item for ho was glad to learn that it Hulderness. As to Portland, took refuge in :1285:: next,il e f °ar z :l lt hthat Barbourduring ; that in t h h : el . ,' fn-yeexatrh half-year els e not nearly so well adapted for that purpose as the old har evaer.the was in every respect a most useful work. number was 259 •in the next, 433 ; in the next, 810 ; Sir G. PECHELL had always understood Dover to he I ; less a harbour of refuge than one of aggression; for, as the ' ;in the next, 840 := in the next, 634 Duke of Wellington bad well said, in case of an attack from the French coast, we should Lave the sun in our faces. The difference bet keen the progress of the works at Dover and those at Portland was very great, and there could be no doubt that it was much more easy t) carry on the works at Dover than those at Portland. Mr. LIDDELL believed the harbours at Dover, Portland, and Alderney, were the bases of a great system of national defence, which had received the sanction, approval, and recommendation of the Duke of Wellington ; and ,he thought these works ought not to be placed in the esti mates under the title of harbours of refuge. The works at Diver would involve an expenditure of 5,000,0001., those at Alderney 1.300,0001., and those at Jeney from 600,0001. to 700,0001. He thought the house ought to know the ulti mate expense of the completion of these harbours. Repre senting, as he did, an important constituency in the north of England, it was his duty to point out to the Government that whilst they were sanctioning an expenditure upon an enormous scale upon a coast which was not favourablelto the construction of harbours of refuge, there was no har bour of refuge between the Humber and the Forth, whilst the proportim of wrecks was far greater on that part of the coast than on any other. Mr. LINDSAY did not think the Government justified in spending such large sums at Dover and Alderney, when the establishment of harbours of refuge on the north-east coast was totally neglected. He thought the question of the expenditure at Dover and Alderney ought to be referred to the committee which had been appointed to consider the subject, and proposed that the vote be reduced by- the sum of 114,000/. Sir J. JOHNSTONE agreed in the remarks of the bon. member (Mr. Liddell) with respect to the neglected state of the north-east coast, whole the casualties amounted to ene•half those which actually occurred. He was glad that a committee had been appointed, and felt satisfied they would come to the conclusion that a large expenditure ought to be incurred in the construction of harbours on that coast. (Hear.) Mr. WARRE thought the proposition of the hon. mem ber for Tynemouth (Mr. Lindsay) most unreasonable, as it was calculated to impede the progress of works which ought to be completed. Mr. HENLEY could not vote for the reduction proposed by the hon. member for Tynemouth, because he considered it necessary to complete the works which bad been com menced, otherwise the expenditure hitherto incurred would be thrown away. It was clear from the statements which had been made that Dover could no longer be considered a harbour of refuge. The breakwater was intended to im prove the entrance to the harbour, to make it a packet station, and to facilitate the coaling of steamers. In fu ture the charge ought to appear in the Post-office or naval estimates. Sir C. WOOD said the harbours now under discussion were not aggressive but military defensive harbours. When they were commenced, as it was not desirable to attract the attention of neighbouring nations, they were veiled under the name of harbours of refuge. (Laughter.) The intention was to construct harbours where vessels might lie for the defence of our coast—and ba ready to intercept any enemies coming up channel. The Duke of Wellington had clearly pointed out the superior means of observation possessed by France, and it was thought necessary to con struct these military defensive harbours on the south and south-eastern coast of England. With respect to harbours of refuge on the north-east coast, it was no doubt desirable that everything possible should be done for them, but they must be looked upon as harbours of refuge for the pur poses of trade. Dover was a station for military defence and the protection of trade, and the breakwater at that port would afford a shelter within which steamers might He in safety, and take in coal with the greatest ease. Al derney was adapted for the same purpose, and from that station nothing could leave Cherbourg and other places along that coast without being observed. (Hear.) Mr. BENTINCK said that Alderney was not the best place to watch Cherbourg, for they were not in sight of each other. Ile should have wished some explanation from the Secretary to the Treasury as to the subjects with which the committee he was to preside over was to deal with; and he (Mr. Bentinck) still thought that a commission would be a better means of inquiring. Mr. PEASE said he deplored what ho thought a serious waste of money on these harbours; but he thought it would be best to direct the energies of the house not to the past but to the consideration of the subject which was to come before the committee which had been appointed to inquire into the whole question of these harbours. The amendment was negatived and the vote agreed to. The next vote was 12,0001. for the maintenance of cap tured negroes and liberated Africans. After some observations from Sir G. PECHELL, Mr. GREGORY was desirous of knowing the circum stances under which 1,2911. had been given to ex-Kin?, Pepple, Ad what were his peculiar merits over the other African chiefs who had received much smaller gratuities. Mr. AYRTON said he knew King Papple. He was King of Bonny,\and made a treaty:4a* the British Governme n t to assist iaTutting down the slave trade, and the payment in the vote was a balance of the subsidy which was to be paid under that treaty. He was deposed anti driven out of his dominions, and was now in this country endeavour. ing to obtain some assistance from the Government. Mr. WILSON said this was on account of the vote which had been granted last yeah. The vote was agreed to. The next vote 11,0501. for the expenses of the mixed Commission for the Suppression of the Slave Tiade, was agreed to. On the next vote, 185,0891., for the expense of consular establishments abroad, Mr. WISE said at that hour of the night he could not enter on this subject, but he would ask if, next session, tha Government would appoint a committee to inquire into the whole question of our consular establishments. Lord PALNLLERSTON said that last year the Govern ment gave a pledge that this year a committee would be appointed for that purpose, and the only reason why it was not appointed in February last was, that certain re turns and information which were necessary to the inquiry were not ready. The dissolution of Parliament had since prevented the appointment of the committee this year. He could assure the house that such a committee would be appointed early next year. Mr. A. KINGLAKE said he had given notice of his in tention to ask whether Government was in possession of any information respecting the present condition of the Tartar inhabitants of those parts of the Crimea which were occupied during the late war by the troops of the allies; and also to ask when, and at what places, British consuls were to be appointed, pursuant to the 12th article of the Treaty of Paris. It would probably be recollected that on the landing of our troops in the Crimea, and on the forma tion of a Land Transport Corps, a number of arabas and beasts of the country were hired, and it was found neces sary also to hire native drivers, inasmuch as the animals were unaccustomed to threats and execrations addressed to them in the French or English languages. Those persons went with the army to the Alma, and on to Balaklava, and remained during all the sufferings of the winter of 18.54. The Tartars at Eupatoria, and the other natives who had been in the employment of our troops, became committed to their own Government, although the Tartars did not show much sympathy with the invasion. As these persons had been in a manner forced into the service by the military power of the invaders, it became the solemn duty of the allies when they ceded the invaded territory again to Russia, to stipulate for the protection of those personw, and to obtain a complete amnesty for them. We bad succeeded in holding the country in which they lived till the conclusion of peace, and then obtained a guar antee that no harm should come to them, and it was now our duty to see that the treaty in this respect was put into execution. lie should like to see at Eupatoria and Sebastopol consular establishments, at which these persons could state any grievances they might suffer from the Russian Government. It was rumoured that a large portion of the Tartar inhabitants of that part of the Crimea which was occupied by our troops, had migrated into the territory of the Porte. Tho Russians were for merly in the habit of refusing to allow consuls to be sta tioned at Sebastopol and the western ports of the Black Sea. But that was to be changed according to the stipu lations of the treaty of Paris ; but he found that there wers only consuls at present appointed to those ports where they existed before the war. Viscount PALMERSTON said the hon. and gallant member bad stated correctly the course of the transaction to which he had alluded, and he had also stated accurately the stipulations of the treaty of peace with regard to the appointment of consuls. In reply to the hon. and gallant member's question, he had to state that the Foreign-office was now occupied in making arrangements for establishing consuls in those places where by the stipulations of the treaty consulates were to be established. With regard to the Tartars, the hon. and gallant member was also right as to the fact, but the transaction took place at a different time to that to which he referzed. When the allies left the Cricat'a there was a large number of Tartar families who, having been engaged in'their service, did not feel full confidence in their posi tion if they remained in the Rus sian territory. Ten thousand of these families aplied to the allies to be re, moved. from the Pus in, to the Turkish ' s n e t n to the northern they territory. Accordi.ooY were sent part of Turkey—viz., to Bulgaria. The Turkish Govern acted with gm at l iberalit y to these p ersons, g ave i t t e h e e e m lands, and provided them with the means of support and other assistance, until they could subsist by their own. industry. The Governmeni; had not heard from our am b:issador at Constantinople tb..'t there had been any com plaints on the part of these people of the engagements entered into by the Turkish Government not having been fulfilled, and therefore he presumed they were contented with their lot. Mr. WHITESIDE complained of the number of assistant registrars of the record at Hong Kong, anti he wished to know what were their duties. Then there were 13 super numerary interpreters and four linguists. The expense of the establishment at Hong Kong in this way w..ls 10,424/, If h e did not receive a satisfactory explanation Ile would propose t I reduce the number of officers by one-half. m r . WILSON explained that the word assistant meant clerk. The first assistant was keeper of the records; the others had nothing to do with the records, but were en gaged in the general business of the government. The in terpreters it had been found necessary to appoint for the purpose of filling important offices as vacancies occurred, and were for that purpose placed in a position where they would acquire a knowledge of the Chinese language. The trade with China was greatly increasing, and it was obvi ously inconvenient'that persons should be sent out to take important offices as representing the trade of this country with China who did not know the language. _ WHITESIDE was not satisfied with the explana tion. It appeared that these interpreters were n o t inter pre, ters but young Englishmen learning the Chi nese lan guage. As the trade at Canton was put a n en d to, no in convenience would result from the abolition of the Canton mission. He proposed to reduce tho vote by 2,5331., the salaries. Mr. WISE supported the vote. Viscount PALMERSTON thought the manner in which the hon. and learned gentleman treated the question showed that he was, as he said, completely in the dark upon the question respecting which he sought to lead the house. (A laugh.) The hon, and learned gentieman's observations were not borne out by the facts. The duties of Sir J. B owr i ng an d his assistants were not confined to Canton, but extended to the whole of the other ports, and involved very laborious duties. Had the honour able and learned gentleman known even the rudiments of the Chinese language, he would have known that that . was a language 'very difficult to acquire. But un less a tongue could make itself intelligible to ears for the purpose of trade, c ommunication would be use less; and if we sent consuls to China it was necessary they should know the Chinese language. It was re quisite, then, that you should send young men to acquire that language—Jor it would not be wise to depend upon natives on all occasions as interpreters. He ventured to ex press an opinion, therefore, that no money was better laid out than that which was expended in teaching these young men that language. Whatever the amount of the Hong Kong establishment, it was one that was not more than sufficient for the purposes of the public service in China, which involved, as the house was aware, a large and in creasing trade. Mr. HENLEY sail his hon. and learned friend Om tinced that the estialato was so worded that it was possible to understand it in the sense in which the Secre. tart' of the Treasury had explained. Mr. WILSON said this was an estimate for next year. Mr. Parkes, the consul at Canton, who was now at Hong Kong, would be there with his assistants and interpreters who knew the llnguage, to aid Lord Elgin in negotiating with the Chinese authorities. Mr. - WHITESIDE, after a few words in reply to Lori Palmerston, withdrew his amendment, and the vote was agreed to. - Mr. WILLIAMS moved that the committee report progress. - gr. WILSON hoped his hon. friend would allow them to go on. Mr. ALCOCK thought it quite time to report prcgress. He complained that it was unfair to members who came down to speak on the Reformatory Bill which stood next on the paper, that supply should be carried on till 20 minutes to 1 o'clock. Mr. CROSSLEY expressed his regret for the loss of the late member for Salford (Mr. Brotherton), who had suc ceeded in establishing as a rule that no opposed business should be taken after twelve o'clock. Lord PAL,AIERSTON hoped that the amendment would be withdrawn. The committee would lose more time in dividing than in disposing of the only'remaining vote on the paper for the right. After some further conversation, The motion for reporting progress was withdrawn. On the next vote, 22,500/. for the extraordinary disbursements of her Majesty's embassies and ministers abroad. Mr. WILLIAMS drew attention to the great expanse of the embassy at Constantinople ' • they had already voted 1,5301. for six paid att a ch es , b u t in this vote was an item of 1,1201. for interpreters, attaches, and clerks ; he would also wish for some explanation of the item 1,6051. for ex tra couriers. Mr. WISE said he had given notice of a motion to re duce this vote by 12,5001.. being the excess over last year ; but he was informed that the increase was owing to the extraordinary disbursements at St. Petersburg and Mos cow on the occasion of the coronation, and he would there fore withdraw his notice. Mr. WILSON explained that the details of the Tote showed the expenditure for the past year ; which had been very large in Turkey, owing to the wat. Mr. BLACKBURN wished for some explanation of the item 1,2841. for loss by exchange on diplomatic allowances. For the Two Sicilies it was 44V1. Mr. WILSON said that this allowance was only granted on the disbursements made by the ambassadors for the pub lic service, and not on their salaries. Formerly, if there was a gain on the exchange the ambassador profited by it, but by a recent arrangement with the Foreign•efflce the Treasury would derive the benefit. Mr. HENLEY wished to know how there could be loss of 449/. on the exchange in the Two Sicilies, the total expenditure, including the loss, was only 1,0601. Mr. WILSON was not quite prepared to explain, but would make inquiry. The vote was then agreed to. The CHAIRMAN was ordered to report progress, and the house resumed. SUPPLY. The report of supply was brought up and received. PROBATES AND LETTERS OF ADMINISTRA TION (IRELAND) BILL. This bill was read a second time, and ordered to be cool' mitted on Friday next. _ _ GLEBE LANDS (IRELAND) BILL. This bill was read a second time. EAST QUAY WALL TAX (DUBLIN) BILL. This bill was also read a second time. The other orders of the day were then disposed of, 311 4 the house adjourned at twenty minutes past one. made to the noble lord to name some day for the discus- sion of Indian affairs. Lord C. HAMILTON thought that numerous ap peals to the noble lord proved that the house was not quite so indifferent to Indian affairs as the right hon. gentleman supposed. He (Lord C. Hamilton) thought the Government were anxious to evade the discussion of Indian matters. If they did not, however, fix a day, it wa3 not unlikely that hon. members would take their own course, and bring the subject before the house upon whatever occasion an opportunity might offer. Mr. TURNER said that a very strong interest was felt upon Indian affairs in the country generally, if not in that house, and he regretted the noble lord did not name a day for the discussion of the whole subject. The subject was the❑ allowed to drop. PONTEFRACT ELECTION. Mr. HEADLAM appeared at the bar, and read from the report of the committ ee , th a t th ey had found Wm. Wood duly elected ; that it had not been established to the satisfaction of the committee that any act of treating or of bribery had been committed at Pontefract during the last election ; but that the evidence of th e pe titi oner proved that at th election in 1852, Mr. Oliveira had, shortly after the election, paid about 3,0001., with the knowledge that a considerable part of that sum was for illegal expenditure ; that a petition was presented, and that the wife of Mr. Oliveira had procured the same to be withdrawn by the payment of a sum of 2,0101., and that a further sum of 1,2501. was sent down to Ponte fract by Mr. Oliveira, for the discharge of outstanding claims for the election of 1852 ; and that the sum was known by Mr. Oliveira to have been employed for dis charging claims for bribery and treating. NEW WRIT. Lord PALMERSTON rose to make the motion of which he had given notice, That in all cases when the seat of any member has been declared void by an election committee, on the grounds of bribery or treating, no motion for the issuing of a writ shall be made without seven days' previous notice being given in the votes. This was a resolution which the house agreed to on a former occasion, and the object of it was that if, arising out of the circumstances of any election, there should appear to be grounds for any measure affecting the borough itself, time might be given for any member to make any motion which he might think fit to make on such a matter, and that the new writ might not be issucd by surprise, so as to preclude the house from taking into its consideration any circumstances which might be disclosed before the committee as affecting or likely to affect the borough itself. Mr. DISRA.ELI begged the house to consider what might be the consequences if they adopted a resolution of so stringent a character as that proposed by the noble lord. The noble lord said there were pre cedents for the resolution, but he believed there were not more than two which were applicable to the present case, and they were agreed to under circum stances of considerable party excitement, and with regard to a particular election. They were now consider ing the case with a complete exemption from such excieb meat, and it was highly desirable that they should take care not to agree to a resolution the consequences of which might be different from those which the noble lord sought to effect by his proposition. If they passed this resolution a city or borough might be disfranchised for a whole recess. A report was made to the house, and the writ was not to be moved for a week after. An hon. member might then say—Here is a charge made against a constituency, and we must wait till the evidence is in our hands before we can deoide on the merits of the case. That would lead to a delay of a month or six weeks. Another week must elapse before the motion for issuing the writ was brought forward. Gentlemen might then say that they had not time to consider the question, dif ferent yiews might be taken, and a whole session and recess might pass without the city or borough in ques t . tion having a representative. All resolutions of this kind were of an unconstitutional character. He was not arguing, however, against the general principle of the resolution, but he thought they should take security that so violent and unconstitutional a proceeding should not be had recourse to unless when there was a bona fide case to justify it. If, therefore, the noble lord would not allow a feeling of suspicion to weigh with him in accept ing a suggestion made from his (Mr. Disraeli's) side of the house, he would recommend an improvement in the terms of the resolution, to the effect that they should not have recourse to this method unless the committee who unseated the member did at the same time report their opinion that the'time for issuing the writ should be extended to the period proposed by the noble lord. Such an amendment would attain all the advantages the noble lord proposed, and would be a great safeguard against the abuses and inconveniences to which he had alluded. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE considered that the amendment of the right hon. gentleman would defeat all the objects of the resolution, which had worked very well in the last Parliament. It was no doubt a stretch to suspend the issue of the writ when once the committee had declared a seat vacant, but it was the duty of the house, when the committee declared that a member had been guilty of bribery, to take care that the vacancy should not be filled up unless they were satisfied that the constituency had not abused its privileges. The resolution was agreed to in 1852, after the passing of the bill which empowered the Crown, on an address from both Houses of Parlia ment, to issue a commission to inquire into the extent of the corrupt practices in the constituency. But if they were to rely on the report of the committee, how could they ascertain whether it was a case to justify an address , to the Crown or not The right bon, gentleman must be aware that even if 200 or 300 cases of bribery could be proved, the counsel before the committee confined them selves to one or two eases sufficient to unseat the mem ber, but kept the others back to save the constituency. Would a committee be justified in recommending the house to suspend the writ when only one or two cases had been proved, and they had no power to institute any , further investigation? In the last Parliament five commis sions were issued on the recommendation of the commit tees, in the case of Canterbury, Cambridge, Hull, Mal don, and Barnstaple, and in each case the result was the discovery of a far greater amount of corruption than had been proved to the committees, and the five constituen cies were reported to have been guilty of corrupt prac tices, quits as strong, if not stronger, than any to be found in the report on which they had disfranchised Sud bury and St. Albans, and the five writs were suspended until.after the passing of the Corrupt Practices Preven tion Act. He thought there was ample ground for re solving that the issuing of the writ should not depend on the report of the committee. Sir G. GREY said that the object of the resolution was to prevent a writ from being issued without previ ous notice to the house, in order to enable them to be come acquainted with the facts of the ease. Under the existing law, there was a power given to the committee to make a special report as to the existence of corrupt practices, and that further inquiry was necessary, in that event the issuing of the writ was suspended, and there fore the suggestion of the right hon. gentleman was quite unnecessary in such a case. The object of the resolution was to take care that the writ should not be issued as a matter of course when the seat was declared vacant, but be felt there was very considerable force in the objection of the right hon. gentleman to hying down a general rule of suspension ; it might happen that a single case of bribery would unseat a member, and they could not de sire that a constituency should on that account remain unrepresented for several months. If the report was made at the close of the session, the borough or county would be exposed to the inconvenience of a very length- ened canvass. He did not know whether it was intended to alter the resolution then ; but he would suggest that it should be withdrawn for further consideration. He would propose to leave out the 7 days, and insert 10days or perhaps the words " without previous notice," would be sufficient to meet the difficulty. Mr. DISRAELI had no wish to press his amendment. He should prefer that the further consideration of the resolution should bepostponed until Monday at half-past 4, when they woald have a full house. (Hear.) Lord PALMERSTON had no objection to postpone the matter till Monday, more especially as ho believed no report had yet been made which would be affected by it. The motion was then withdrawn, and the house wont into committee. SUPPLY. On the first vote, 24,728/. for the salaries of governors in the West In dies and certain other colonies, Sir J. TRELAWNY asked whether the grant of 3,500/. to the governor of Jamaica was a new vote or not ? Mr. W. WILLIAMS had given notice of his inten tion to move the rejection of this item, which had ap peared in the estimates for the first time about three years ago. The house was then asked to pay half the salary for three years on account of the distress in the island. The colonial legislature had since reduced their payment to 2,5001. He also objected to the vote of 1,800/. for the Governor of Western Australia. He begged to move thot the vote be reduced 3,5001. Mr. LABOUCHERE said that the mode in which the salaries of the colonial governors should be paid had often been discussed, and some most eminent statesmen, including Sir R. Peel and the noble lord the member for the City of London, were of opinion that, considering the position in which the governors were placed, and their relations to the crown and the colonies, it might be desirable, in order to secure their independence, that their salaries should be paid by the Home Government. There were, however, some practical objections to that course, and he thought it would hardly be right to ask the ',louse to vote the large salaries paid in some of the Australian colonies. The Governor of Victoria, for in stance, had, between salary and allowances, about 15,000/. The house, however, should recollect that the West Indies were in an exceptional position and had suffered very much. With regard to Jamaica, it was quite true that the present arrangement had been made for three years only ; but last year ho had stated it was proposed to continue it so long as Sir H. Barkly con tinued governor. When that gentleman was removed to Victoria, and Mr. Darling appointed to succeed him, he (Mr. Labouchere) thought it would be as well that the now governor should not inaugurate his adminis tration by a contest with the assembly for his salary, and therefore promised him the present allowance should be continued as long as he remained gover nor ; the subject would then come again under the consideration of the Government. The people of Jamaica and other colonies wished their governor to keep up a certain state, and the government house in that island was so large that it required a large establishment. As to 'Western Australia, it was in a different position from the other Australian colonies, which had received representative governments, and were therefore as in it there to provide for their own expenditure, where bound was a convict establishment, and it was used for impe rial purposes. Sir C. NAPIER thought the vote was rather too small. It tsar impossible for the governor of such a, colony as Dominica to maintain a proper position on such a salary as 1,300/. a year. Mr, A, MILLS expressed a hope that the day would CANTERBURY HALL. The popular favourite Sam Cowell, whose talents age comic singer are so well known as to need no eulogy °° our part, nas b een s t arr i ng i t i n the provinces with that success which his brilliant powers is at all times sure to command. Circumstances, however, require his attend' ante in London for a couple of days, and his gratitud e to the excellent and highly esteemed proprietor of the Canterbury Hall, as well as to his patrons, whose nap e is " legion," will not permit his return to the province s without spending a few hours in their agreeable cool' pany. He has, therefore, at much inconvenience t° himself, announced his intention of delighting the quenters of this establishment, which now ranks as one of the legitimate places of amusement in the metropolis , with a few of " the songs they love." He will, there' fore be at tho Canterbury Hall this evening , and as his engagements in the provinces are al to extend over a considerable period, we have no doub t the opportunity of hearing him will be eagerly eV braced. Country Markets. LIVERPOOL-JULY 3. The market to-day was rather better attended than 011 Tuesday, and a moderate business doing in the better qo lities of wheat and flour at the extreme rates of that claP Oats also rather dearer. In barley, beans, and peas o° , change. Indian corn in limited demand, and rather WY' in price. WAKEFIELD—JULY 3. There was but a moderate business in wheat, bat freg l i parcels brought last price s , whil s t i n f er i or were diffi c ult°, sale. Beans fully as dear as on Friday. In other a rtioo no change. Average prices of grain —Wheat, 64s 44d ; bailey, 33 !, ; oats, 30s Oid ; beans, 48s 0,1; peas, 38s 6 'h'l rye, —s. 03. EXETER—JUL' 3. CORN.—Wheat, 7s 9d to 8s 3d; barley, 5s to 5s 9aj grinding do., Os Od t o O s Od . Oats, 3s 3d to Os Beaus, Os Od to 0 Od. Peas, 00s Od to 00s Od. FLOUR.—Fine, 46s Od to 47s Od; seconds, 41s Od to ' Od per sack. CATTLE. —There was a small supply of bullocks. beef, from lOs to lls Gd per score ; inferior, Os 6d to lls P ° o , score; fat calves, 5d to Gd per lb ; barrenners, Os Od to j Od. per score ; cows and calves, 121. to 20/. us ; butchey i; calves, Od to 7d per lb., rearing calves —s t o s W e i sheep, ewes and lambs, 21. 5s to 3/. 5s per couple ; ewe s. ,, to 6 1 d; wetbers, Od 6.1 d; lambs, 7, 1 t to Od per lb. r 11 61; large size, —8 to —s ; second size, —s to —s ; slips, to —s ; suckers, —s to —s. Rough fat, 4id per Pork carcases from Os 6d to 10s Gd per score. COAL MARK Prices of Coals per ton at EL d.,,i Bates's West Hartl e y ..,14 6 s Bebside's Hartley l6 31 Lambton 36 Haswell Gas l3 6 ,Tees l7 Duffield Moor Butes 13, 9 ,Hotton l7 Tanfield Moor l3 9 Braddyll l5 Davison's West Hartley 16 3 Hough Hall 15 Howard's West Hartl e y South Hetton 16 Netherton 16 0 Eden Main l5 Haswell Hartley l4 6 Haswell 17 Wylain Holywell l5 6 Russell's Hetton 15 Wallsend, itc. Seaham Stowart's 17 0 Whitworth l5 Riddell l4 6 ,Gosforth l4 South Kelloe 16 3 pilda 14 Lumley 15 6 Framwellgate l5 Cassop ]6 Oilletton Lyons Main ....14 Caradoc ,ET.—JuLy 3. t the close of the market. 1 Wallsend, &c. Ships at market, 115 ; sold, 93. 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