The Sun. — London, England, 1840-05-12 00:00:00

EVENING EDITION. SPIRIT of the PUBLIC JOURNALS. ROM TEE DAILY PAPERS OP YESTERDAY. (From the Globe.) No one, with means of observation upon the election contests of the last two general elections can be ignorant of the fact, that Cambridge and Ludlow are but speci mens of the proceedings which prevailed in towns where the parties were nearly balanced, and where bribery, in the various forms it can be made to assume, could be practised with a probability of success. Ips wich, Norwich, Maidstone, Canterioury, and a host of other places, are but Cambridge and Ludlow under other names ; and hence the remedy to be supplied must not be local but general. It would be but to lop the prurient leaves of a noxious plant, while the root was left to be nourished by those who derived a profit from its existence, were the Legislature to confine its at tention to solitary instances of corruption. The system must be attacked with a vigilant determination to extir pate it from the country it has so long cursed, and which it threatens to destroy, by poisoning the sources whence the means of political liberty and the principles of good government can alone spring To Lord John Russell, as the leading champion of the Reform Bill in the House of Commons, the country naturally di rects its attention, as the Member of the Legislature from whom some measure should emanate, the effect of which hall smite the hydra heads of the foul mon sters who seek to effect the ruin of the country by an extensive corruption of the franchise. (From the Standard.) Lord John Russell knows well, nobody, except per haps Mr. Coppock or Mr. Revis, knows better, that if the elections for Ludlow and Cambridge proceed in re gular course, and without bribery—which the late sharp lesson will sufficiently guard against—a Conservative will certainly be returned for each place ; and such is the precarious condition of the Ministry, that an addi tiv of even two to the force of their opponents will go near, if not go the whole way, to administering the steath blow to the Cabinet. Does any rational man believe that if the Government expected a favour allle result in the two vacant boroughs, they would labour to whip up a majority to suspend the writs? The case is quite clear : Ludlow and Cambridge are to be left unrepresented, in order to pre vent the already threatening increase of the Con servative Tr..rty. We should like to see any one except Mr. O'Connell or Mr. Joseph Hume, bold enough to deny that such is the fact, because then we should be able to say that Messrs. O'Connell and Hume had Piund a rival ? Here then is the particular car rup'L motive for a proceeding which must lead to the es version of corruption. We have pointed out one Y e rocess by which the proposed meddling with Sir Ra llntPeel's Act mu.tt corruptly iaflucnce constituencies— the corrupt motive iu the instance before us pouts plainly to anotLet. (From the Courier.) it is a great mistake to suppose that the business of the Coroner is limited to the examination of the nature of the crime which has produced death, and that the ulterior investigation should be committed to the consta ble and Magistrat:e. So far as regards the detection of a criminal, the Coroner, strictly speaking, is the prinei• pal and the representative of the whole police inclu ding the Magistracy. The powers vested in him of dis charging er cnrurnitting a person charged by the in quest are a sufficient answer to objections of this kind. the same time, we rvould not be understood to de fend the " impertinence" which unfortunately too often is suffered to intrude itself in'o what is of its own na ture a solemn investigation on the cause of one death, and &ffecting the lite or lives of others. We care not sor the fact, that persons committed on the Coroner's evarranto are semetimes acquitted on the last trial ; the same thing Deem: with the prisoners who arc sent Le fore the Judg e by the Grand Jury ; but w h o ever Ihouzht of sboli.dling the latter? HE ISLINGTON MURDER,. BOW-STREET. • RicTiarl Gould vas placed at the b:.r. Mr. iiohLT app,nrcd for the prosecution. Airs. Anne Tauctoa stated that sh resided in a cottag,, in Brook's buildings, near to where Ternileman resided. Ia consequence of her daughter going to hi 4 houv", witness went thete about two months ago, but abq could not obtain entrance, and obliged to inok in at th..: window. It was about hz.!l: past eight o'clock in the mornag, and the door was ftstened. On looking through the window she saw the deceased lyMg in a gore of bloxid, with his legs towards the fir, place. and his head towards th e d oor . H e ap peared to he dead. She then wcnt to another window, which was about a guar tag of a yard open, and a person being .n that room could open the door and get into the bed-room. About a quarter I.nore eight. on the previous evening sew deceased, !Luting had occasion to go to his I:ouse. He was at tea, and she discoursed with him. T.icre was silver on the tAIbAe in a little square box. She could not form any opinion of the quantity, and he did not then pay her any money. 'inure might have I),.en about 41. in the box, and she delayed about tire minates. She wl3 ac custc reed to char for him, and was in the habit of wa.ih hag for him. The prisoner, who had no prossional adv:ser, said he did not wiih to put nay question to the witness. Francis Capriani, a watch-maker, knew the deceased. He saw him last alive on Monday, the 16th of March, about six o'clock in the evening.. He was working in his garden for h:m, and had finished it that afternoon, when witness's mother-in-law came home, who said that the deceased wished to speak to him, and he paid him 7s. on going to the cottage. He took the money from a little mahogany box which lay on the table. There were se veral 'calf-crowns in the box, with shillings and six pences. Witness stayed with him upwards of five mi nutes, and then left him. He could not say exactly how much money was in the box, but it might be about four or five pounds, more or less. The deceased was sitting in the sitting-room at the right hand side of the door going in. Witness never saw him since. In answer to the prisoner, witness said that he was quite sure he saw the money described in the box, which was shut when he went in, and he opened it for the purpose of paying him. Sergeant Otway, A division, proved that on Satur— day last he left the prisoner at Coldbath-fields, and in the course of the evenillg he was again sent for, to go ' to the prison. The turnkey was present, and tha pri soner had made up his mind to tell the whole of the affair. The turnkey then said that the prisoner had made a statement which was in writing. The Governor was next consulted, and he gave permission to witness to hold a conversation with the prisoner. The statement he made was quite voluntary, and witness wrote down every word he said, and looked on as witness wrote down the words as they came from his lips. He said that the robbery had been talked over by himself, Jar vis, and his wife, but it was not finally agreed upon until the morning previous to its taking place. He Wl3 at Jarvis's house, but did not remain long, as Jarvis expected his brother ; but before he Jarvis got a piece of wood used as a dibber in a gar den, and made a hole through it, putting a string through it so as to hang on the wrist. Ile then left and went to the Rainbow public-house, where he got tipsy. He was to have seen Jarvis en the Monday morning, but he lay in bed too late, and Mrs. Jervis came to his lodgings. Jarvis had left a message with her how it was to be done. It was that be was not to be seen near the houss, until after the public-houses were closed. Mrs. Jarvis said that she had prepared breakfast, and there was no fear of being noticed. He then left and went again to the public-house, where he remained until twelve at night, when he went to Jarvis's house. The prisoner and Jarvis then went out again, while Mrs. Jervis stood under a portico to give an alarm. Gould entered the cot tage, after removing a small piece - of paper and a small piece of glass. He then put his finger in, and moved the window. Jars% followed. Gould took a chisel from Jarvis and broke the drawers open, and found silver in a b ox . J arv i s then entered the bed-room, andsaid to the prisoner," As you have not found the notes, m os t likely he h as t h em under his head. quiet hire and f as t en hi m. " Jarvis then struck We quiet rn ceased with the dibb er . Mr. Templeman then j pdee -1 right out of the bed, wh en J arv i s struck him uaitil'i while the prisoner tied his h an d s w i t h a piece of clothes ' line they took with them, belonging to Jarvis. Th ey then ecintineed the search for the •notes, and the prisoner found them in the drawer where the silver was in the box. He said they were no use, as they were barber's notes, and they left them behind The &ceased had by this somewhat recovered, and said, " I know you." J.lrvis said, " We shall surely be found out ; I would rather finish him than be found out." Jarvis then went into the bed-room, and the prisoner jumped out of the window ; but Jarvis also got out of the seine window by which they had entered. They then went to Jarvis's house, outside which M rs . Jarvis was standing, and the prisoner wanred to divide the money; but 3 ; :A earr.s se , e, " No ; you bad better take it and plant it, as all cottages about here will be frisked." The fire was oat, and the prisoner said he had better put the wood out of the way ; and the prisoner took it away and threw is into the New ~ 1' k lantern they had with them the ppriso ' ne r r . thro h v e in ki tO u a pond in Poooeles Fields, and, befoFe leaving, he agreed to meet Mrs. Jarvis the next in i arnin . ce at the saying that Thrf'e Goats' Heeds, Wandsworth.•r would show biniseif to some one ;sod' He then went towards the Angel toclawco teakenwsaesataiell,coaf.t the corner of the City-road, and hay tee he remained about half an hour. 'There tkere selling some pictures, and he sold four to ;P E3n woman for 61 Toe prisoner asked if he keers;f a tobacco s!wp epee, and he said he did not. Te e pr e. snare asked him to sell him a pipe. He tho u 'aimed home, it being itbout two o'clo c k. li e to bed, or.d the next nioraing he pl ace d t h e money, rith titre exc ,, pt i ori o f es., in a large stocking, and put it where it was found. Ile then went to the -eoffee-shee oppxi:e to the Three Goers' H ee d s , °pp° . site the Waraise, ugh-eyed ; and had his Lreaklast, an thence to the public-house, and waited the arrival of Mrs. Jarvis, who shortly after arrived with the child, she had a half pint of porter and a quartern of gin, and started towards Islington. They next went into a shop in Lambeth Walk, where they bought a pair of shoes for 7s. 6d., which they paid for in silver. When they left the shop the prisoner was going to throw the old ones away, but Mrs. Jarvis said, Don't do that, Dick, I'll sell them ; if, they only fetch a quartern it's better than nothing ; they next went into a shop to sell them, but they would not buy them. They then went into another shop in Oakley-street, Lambeth, where they sold them. The prisoner asked her going along if she had said anything to the girl Taunton, when she met her, and she said, I asked her what was the matter, but she did not stop to answer me. Mrs. Jarvis said that as she came there, a man named Ellis met her, and she told him she was going to her sister's for a screw, aed the prisoner told her to go, as then she could account for herself if there were any suspicion. She went, and the prisoner waited at the General Wolfe public-house, Gray's-inn Lane. They then went to the Belvidere public-house, where Mrs. Jarvis obtained a quarterh of gin on credit, and from that to Thomas-street, Islington, where they met Ellis. Mrs. Jarvis spoke to him, and the prisoner then left her. As she went home, the prisoner went to the Rainbow, and he was to have gone to Jarvis's to tea when it got dusk. Mrs. Jarvis also came to the Rainbow, and de sired him not to come that night, as th ere was a rare stink about it. Tire prisoner shortly after went home to bed, and was apprehended about half-past eleven the same night. Jarvis left behind him, in the deceased's cottage, an old handkerchief, which he had when a pot boy, and it was washed nearly white, and Jarvis took it for the purpose of tying the old man. That was the whole of his statement. Mr. He LL asked if he wished to ask any questions. The prisoner asked, did the witness say that ho would be entitled to 2004 and a free pardon if he would make the statement ? The witness said that he should have the order of the Secretary of State, which he read to him, and drew his attention to that part which mentioned except the person who participated in the murder and robbery. The prisoner —You had stated that if I related all the circumstances I should be admitted as evidence. Witness—l told you that you could not be tried a second time for the murder ; but said nothing respecting the robbery, The prisoner said when the witness first saw him he said he wa s sent by the Secretary of State to offer a reward of 200/., and a free pardon, except to the pee son who actually committed the murder. lat the same time declined, and the witness sat for a long time per suading ►ne, and I said I wanted to get away and not to hare anything more to do with it. The witness then asked, would I give him such and such information for a certain snm of money, whether there was a conviction or not ? On your oath have you not done so twice or thrice Witness—No. You looked at the papar, and throw ing it down said you had told one person. I said if the gentleman came down and offered the reward, would you give information ? You then said, if they gave you 1001. and paid your passage money you would make a disclosure. You saw me write this statement. The prisoner was then ordered to be remanded until ednes6.ay next. EXAXIINATION OF JARVIS AND HIS WIFE. Mrs. Jarvis was next placed at the bar with her husband_ She carried an infant in her arms. Inspector Miller, N division, being asked by Mr. HALL eras he prepared to bring forward evidence at present, he said not against the male prisoner, but he would; against his wife on a future day. In an iwer to Mr. HALL the male prisoner said he had rev coved from where he had lived in Pocock's fields, a: )d had got work with another master, as a painter. Mr. HALL then asked each of them would they co c forward on any future day it they were required and ha rhig received nn answer in the ailirmative, they were h)t'a ordered to be discharged. SHIPWRECKS. The following curious statistics :f shipwreck:; are alzen from an American magazine, and cannot fail to ;rove interesting to the mercantile and shipping con:- ~ nunity " record has been kept at the office of the Ame rican Seanhtt's Friend Society, during the year just close J, as in past years, of disasters at sea, so far as they could be ascertained, which resulted in a total loss of is vessel, The following is tha result : .—. " The whole number of ;essa!s lost was 44-2. Of these there were :—Ships and barks, 74 ; brigs, 124 ; sch ooners, 187 ; sloops, 16 ; steam-boats, 9 ; unknown, 32,.. Of these there were lost towards the close of 1833, but reported in 1339, 52. " \Vrecked in January, 26 ; February, 27 ; March, 32; ; April, 21 ; May, 29 ; .Tune, 11 ; July. 15 ; Au gi Ist, '29 ; September, 64 ; October, 30 ; November, ; December (previous to 15th), 8 ; time tl k, )own, 64. Added to the above entire and known losses, there h aye been reported 37 missing vessels during the year, vvii;eb, with their crews, have most probably been en tirely lost. Five hundred and thirty-seven lives have beg !cl reported as lost, hut the loss of life is undoubtedly eh greater than this, as many vessels wern reported as ab; indoaed, or bottom up, where the crews Imo missing, au, Ino intelligence has been received from them. The abi we facts speak a language concerning the sorrows of sea men, not to be misunderstood, and they should be mo it solemnly pondered by those who have a heart to fee . ,! and a hand to relieve. in 1838, there were lost—Ships and barks, 100 ; b rigs, 117 ; schooners, 169 ; sloops, 11 ; steam-boats, 1 7 ; unknown, 13. Total, 427. " Of these, 43 were lost in 1837, but reported in 1 3;38 ; '27 vessels were reported as missing, and the less of life during the year is known to have been 756. " In 1837 there were lost—Ships and barks, 94 ; lo rigs, 135 ; schooners, 234 ; sloops, I'2 ; steam-boats, 18. Total, 493. " Of these, 43 were lost in 1836, but reported in 1837 ; 30 vessels were reported es missing, and the loss of liceduring the y ear i s k nown t o hava been 1,295. " In 1836 there were lost—Ships and barks, 56 ; bilgs, 97 ; schooners, 121 ; sloops, 12 ; steam-boats, 30 . Total, 316. " Twelve vessels were reported as missing, and the s of life during the year is known to have been 826. " SHIPWRECKS ON THE COAST OF FRANCE.-A 'saris journal gives the following list of vessels of fifteen n ations lost by shipwreck on the coast of France, be t Preen Cherbourg and Dunkirk, for fourteen years. 1 'he length of the coast is about 250 miles, and ern bi •zices the port of Havre French, 291 ; English, 76 ; Swedish and Norwe gi 1t.,, SO ; Dutch, 12 ; American, 8 ; Prussian, 8 , D anish, 7 ; Russian, 4 ; Hanoverian, 4 ; Haml;urgh, ; Belgium, 3 ; Sicily, 2 ; Lubec, 2 ; Finland, 12 ; T atzl, T :HE WEALTHY LAD Y AND THE POLICE INSPECTORS. I t will be remembered that on Friday last a middle age, 1 lady was driven up to the door of Marylebone stet ion-house in a gig, accompanied by her livery son; van' :, and that she, as on the occasion of a former visit, ahol it three months ago, expressed her intention of mar ring with a Police Inspector, if she could meet weal 1 one of the D division to her :hind. Her fortune, as 1 Waged by her, was 5,0001. a year -, and as neither In sr le ctors Stubbs nor Sedman suited her taste, she made It .T,e to the newly-appointed Inspector Black, who, be h ig already engaged, declined. The publication of the e: rtraordinary occurrence has set numerous fortune b Inters on the qui vire, and during the last few days tv, ro of the Inspectors above referred to have received let. t, rs, of which the following are copies : " High -street, Windsor, April 26. " TO INSPECTOR BLACK D DIVISION, LONDON. "; Sir—Having seen in the Herald of Saturday that you leclined marrying a lady with a fortune of 5,0001. a yes r, I beg leave to state, that as far as my opinion gee?, you stood in your own light ; nevertheless, if you will it confidence tell me where the lady lives, I'll court her i‘ irectly, and in the event of your introducing me to h e s , and my marrying her, in consequence of the said intro kluction, I solemnly promise to present you with 1,001 ) guineas. " Address to me, in perfect confidence, " GEORGE HOLMES, Rainbow Tavern, Fleet-street. T 1 le other is addressed to Inspector Sedman, and runs thus : " London-street. Norwich. My dear Sir,—From what I can see in the Herald yo a a .re rather short—l am tall. I have 150/. a year, ari.d omething more would be very agreeable. Do pray to 11 n .e, it you can, the residence of the lady with 5, ,000 l. per year, who is mad for a husband. Let me k cow all about her, and if she becomes mine, a farm h Du f , e trAd 50 acres of land, near Norwich, shall be your rc !vir; Ard.• is Address FREDERICK BALDWIN, " Peela's Coffee-house, Fleet-streot." t is said :tlAt the eccentri c l a d y, who has caused all . thi s commotion, wealthy , is she r e p resents herself to I :e, and that she resides in St. John's Wood-road, , relat• • i SUICIDE ON THE RIVER.jA t pare ph appoared in The Sun the end of last nun th: a Ile to the find ing of the body of a ;i,rentileman near the churnh at Rothen h ' l' and at the same time W. 1.4 civen a descripti on o f hi s p,tho u the , pl 2, ail, thc name " Aked " being mar ked ou somo of it. l 'Pl ' i e , tct ,aced, it apiiears, had Leen a tutor, but bad been left a voiis :ilcral;le property , which led him into habits of d issintition aa.ti le was often heard to declare that when it was all vale liC wtne , d commit suicida. - I ...;LLEsmEttE.—An appalling' C a be of Self-de stria, ,tiun occurred last week in the vicinity of thii town. A . [,.. L ", oZ Ifton Heath, recently ma rried, was walking homewards • 0 01 Dudleston Chapel to his o wn resitlenc.., in company w,th i ii. " 1 ife when ' . • ,1 -•1 • looped from the road into a deep pit . _ , , ll- Slid"( .. l . . "1 W. ncr by its side, in which he immediately sank ! She ran to th zi brink, and re ' . rent the air with .et cries l• • for help, but in vain, The po o r man rose once or twice to the surface in the '.' on. ies of death and tinall • - 'to tl - bottoia a corpse. Ai )• ,arl, 141 si. tat .03 ryas ' prGeured, and the body raised; but life was utterly ex till ..*t. IMPERIAL PARLIAMEN T. HOUSE OF LORDS, MAr 11. The LORD CIIANCELLOR took his seat on the Wool. sack at Five o'Clock. A Message from the House of Commons brought up the Exchequer Bills (11,000,0001.) Bill. The Earl of WINCHILSEA presented petitions from places in Ely (as we understood) against the grant to the College of Maynooth ; and several petitions from places in Cornwall, in favour of Church Extension. The Bishop of GLOUCESTER presented severe' petitions from places in his diocese, in favour of Church Extension. Lo rd P 0 RTM A N presented petitions from Dorsetshire, Sornersetshire, and the City of Bath, praying for alteration in the Corn-laws. In pre senting another petition, which prayed for the immediate and total repeal of the Corn-laws, his Lord ship said, that although he was not prepared to vote for the immediate and total repeal of the existing Corn laws, he would feel it his duty, when the question came before the House, as it shortly must come, to state his reasons for i thinking that their Lordships should take it into their most serious consideration. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY presented pe titions against the Irish Municipal Reform Bill, and the Canada Clergy Reserves Bill. The Earl of WARWICK presented petitions in favour of Medical Reform, from the city of Warwick, and against the increase of Assistant Commissioners of Poor-laws, from several Boards of Guardians in the counties of Warwick and Worcester. The Bishop of EXETER presented a petition from a parish in Leicester, praying the House to address her Majesty, that she may not give her assent to the Canada Clergy Reserves Bill. He might be permitted to take that opportunity of cor recting an error which was said to have appeared in a report of the proceedings of that House. He understood it was given in one of the reports that he had said there was no Church in Scotland, or words to that effect. When he was first told of this, he treated it with ridicule and contempt, as it was only not what he did say, but the contrary of what he did say. If he bad said so the Noble Earl opposite, who took so constant, earnest, and laudable an interest in every thing that concerned the Church of Scotland, would have corrected him. What be said was that the Scotch Church was a Church in Scotland only, accord ing to;the terms of the Act of Parliament. The Earl of I - 1 A DDINGTON said that he should answer the appeal made to him by the Right Rev. Prelate in the affirmative. He had heard the Right Rev. Prelate in the debate alluded to. speak of the Church of Scotland over and over again. The Right Rev. Prelate, therefore, had never expressed the opinion imputed to him, an , l he (the Earl of Haddington) was glad that he had taken the opportunity of contradict ing that imputation, as it had created unpleasant feel ings elsewhere. What he had understood the Right Rev. Prelate to say was, that the clergy in Scotland were nut to be considered a Clergy in any other part of the empire. He (the Earl of Haddington) felt bound to make that acknowledgment, at the same tiinu that he did not agree in opinion with the Right 11. , 2,v. Prelate. The Bishop of EXETER said that his assertion was very nearly that which the Noble Earl had stated He had said that ho did not conaider that the clergy of Scotland were to be looked on asa clergy out of Scotland. The Marquis of LA NSDOWNE said that the opinion expressed by the Right Rev. Prelate was that the clergy of the Church of Scotland were not con 6idered a clergy in any other part of the empire. TITHE COMMUTATION BILL. Lord D UNGA NNO N in moving the second reading of the Tithe Commutation Bill, slid that the ouje ' • cts of the Bill came entirely withi n th e s pi r it of the Act which had been late:y passed for the re covery cf tithes, and he therefore hoped that the second reading would not meet wi h any opposition. The Marquis of ‘VEST.TtIEATH said, though he was not acquainted with the details of the Bill, he had been informed that it contained a clause relating to parties putting forward chims for arrears of tithes which he could not approve of. He would not, how ever, oppose the second reading of the Bill. Tne Bid was then read a second time. The E trl of VERULAM presented several peti tions from Hereford, against any alteration in the Co. .n -laws. Toe Earl of STRADBROKE presented eight peti cns from the Guardians of Poor-law Unions and others, praying for a repeal of the Corn-laws. FEUING OF ENTAILED ESTATES (SCOTLAND). The Earl of ROSEBERY said, as he understood a Noble Friend of his had some very minute alterations to make in this Bill, he wished to more that the Order of the Day for going into Committee on this Bill to morrow be discharged, with a view to its being referred to a Select Committee on Monday, the 19th inst. The Earl of REDESDALE presented petitions against the system of Rural Police. The Earl of STANHOPE presented a petition from the 'Fetal Abstinence Society of Cupar of Fife against the opium war with China. COURT OF CHANCERY (IRELAND.) The Marquis of W ESTMEATH begged to ask whether the vacancy of one of the Masters in the Irish Court of Chancery, which had taken place on the 22d March, was filled up, or when it would be filled ? The Marquis of NORMANBY said the vacancy would be filled up immediately. The Marquis of WESTMEATH hoped the Noble Marquis would be kind enough to tell him when ? (A laugh.) Immediately was a very vague term, it might mean to-morrow or that day month, The Marquis of NORMANBY could not pledge himself to any particular day. The Marquis of WESTMEATH said on Thursday he should bring the matter before the House. The Marquis of NORMAN BY laid on the table the papers moved for by the Noble Marquis (Westmeath) relative to the Poor-law Commissioners in Ireland. Some of them, which did not depend for production upon the Poor-law. Commissioners, and which were con nected with the returning officers, had not yet been ob tained, The Marquis of BUTE presented petitions against any grant of money to the College of Maynooth. The Church Building Act Amendment Bill was read a third time and passed. Viscount DUNCANNON presented papers with respect to the Clergy Reserves. Earl MOUNTCASHEL wished to put a question to the Noble Viscount opposite. Sometime since a sum of 250,0001. had been granted by the House of Assembly of Upper Canada, for the purpose of public buildings. He wished to know whether her Majesty's Government had any objection to gua rantee the payment of the interest in London. He expected he might be asked for precedents, and he would instance that of the Greek Loan, which was no way beneficial to this country, but guaranteed for the benefit of a nation in no way connected with this. The sum of 250,000/. would not be of any great importance to the mother country, but it would produce vast benefit to the young colony. He hoped the Govern ment would take the subject into their consideration, even if they were not prepared to say to-night, that they would guarantee the loan. Lord DUNCANNON assured the Noble Earl that her Majesty's Government was fully aware of the importance of encouraging emigration to the colonies in question. But he could not say that there was the least intention on the part of her Majesty's Government to guarantee the loan. Lord ELLENBOROUGH said it might not be the intention of the Government to guarantee the payment of the loan. At the same time, he thought:there was no mat ter of more importance for their consideration than the making of a perfect communication between the Upper sad Lower Provinces, and between the Upper Province and the sea. That had been the opinion of Lord Durham and of every person who was acquainted with the interests of the colonies. Lord DUNCANNON said he had only given a simple answer to a simple question, and had not expressed any opinion on other matters. Lord ELL ENBOROUG II said he had made the obser vation which had fallen from him, lest it might,be supposed from the Noble Lord's answer that the Government was not favourable to emigration. The Duke of BEAUFORT presented a petition against the war with China. The Duke of BUCCLEUCH presented several peti tions relating to the patronage question in Scotland. ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE. The LORD CHANCELLOR presentedla petition from certain solicitors in favour of the Bill for the better Ad ministration of Justice. The Noble and Learned Lord then said that in calling their Lordships' attention to the Bill, he should observe that the time which had elapsed since he had first laid it on the table of the House was greater than he had originally intended. The delay, however, had arisen from circumstances over which lie had no control, and he had no reason to regret that delay, because it had given an opportunity to those who felt interested in the matter to consider the subject, and it had thus been very generally discussed among the profession at large. The measure had almost unanimously met with the concurrence of the profession, whose senti ments could not have been so well ascertained if a 1 • shorter time had elapsed since it had been submitted to the House. The general opinion of the profession had been expessed in the petition he had just read, and that opinion was, that the powers of the Court of Chancery, as at present constituted, were totally inadequate to the performance of the important duties with which that Court was charged. That bad been so often stated to their Lordships, and so generally assented to, that it might now teem lir:necessary to refer to arty proof of the accuracy of the Etateinnit. If he required such proof, he need only icier to the number of Bills which had Leen brought into their Lordships' House, for the purpose of remedying the evil in question. Bills hail been intro -o.uced on the subject in the years 18f9, 1830, 1832, 1833, 1834, and lastly, a Bill had been introduced by himself in the year 1836. All that showed, at least, the concurrent opiliion of those Noble and Learned Lords who, during the periiid referred to, had presided in the Court of Chancery, that it was essential to the due administration of justice that some measure,.. should be pas ed into a law which should give the Court of Chancery great:r powers than it I now possessed. Undoubtedly, in his view of the case, and of all the matters which were neeetarily connected In 1764, amounted to B3 causes. 1794 lO6 1804 1813 ll6 1824 ll5 1834 1839 So that ,whiist the business of the Court of Chancery had been more than trebled in the same period, there had been no increase in the Equity Exchequer; in fact, the number of causes last year was less tha❑ in any preceding year since 1794. There must be some reason why the business was so much increased in the Court of Chancery, and was stationary in the Exchequer. It was not the fault of his Noble Friend who presided in that Court, that:people did not go to the Exchequer.: it was because the Court was not such as the business required. To have the Court a tribunal of law and of equity was not in ao- cordance with the principle of the division of labour, which prevailed in the other Courts and in the several branches of the legal profession. Eighty years ago a lawyer used to practice in every Court, as was the case at this day in I t e l an d. But no doubt the division of labour would, in the course of time, be adopted in the Irish Courts, and the science would be improved. It wasp great inconvenience to a solicitor, who had a large busi ness in the Court of Chancery, to be required to undertake business in another Court ; and therefore soli citors do not like to go into the Court of Exchequer, though their profits arc greater there, and the suits are more expeditiously decided. On this point the Noble and Learned Lord spoke from his experience ; and what ap plied to the solicitor applied equally to the barrister; and no Equity barrister who could avoid it would go into the Exchequer Court. He did not think, on the whole, that any one would say that the Court of Exchequer ought to remain as it is. But if it had not gained in public favour as a Court of Equity, it had been fully compensated by its rise as a Court of Law. It bad risen of late to a degree of activity never known before, and it did now more duty in cases between individuals than any other Court. It was, therefore, a most thriving Court of Common Law, although a mast unsuccessful one as a Court of Equity. It had been ~_ suggested to appoint another Judge in Equity in that Court. But what purpose would that serve, when there was not now enough to employ half a Judge ? In the Court of Chancery there were about 1,200 causes a-year—in'the Exchequer, little more than 100. The appeals in the Court of Chancery were chiefly made to enable parties to rectify their own omissions, and n o t from a dissatisfaction with the decisions of the other Judges. In the Exchequer, the appeal was to the House of Lords, of which the expense was enormous, compared to the original costs of the cause. It had been suggested that all that might be corrected if an appeal was given from the decision of the individual Judge io the Excheq ue r to Cie Lard Chancellor. Such a pro. position he considered to be extremely extravagant. But tLat CVNI was not all. By the present practice of the Court of Exchequer it was necessary t hat a vast num ber of officers should be employed to perform the duties in one cause, and that made the expense exceedingly great as compared with the Court of Chancery. Now, taking th e number of caw.es in Chancery, and dividing them among the different Masters, it would be seen that there was one Master to 120 causce, 1111 e in the Court of Ex chequer there was one Master to .53 causes. Now the ob ject of the present Bill was to abolish the equity jurisdic tion of the Exchequer altogether, and bring- it into tl e Court of Chancery, which he must be allowed to say, with- THE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY, MAY 12, 1840. with it, the increase of the powers of the Court of Chan- 1 cery formed but a part of what he considered essential to the better administration of justice in the country. In the year 1836, he had submitted to their Lordships a measure much more comprehensive in its provisions than that to which he was directing their attention, but their Lordships had thought that measure too extensive, and had refused to give. it their sanction. That refusal, he apprehended, was founded on the grounds that the introduction of the Bill had been attempted at a time when it was thought ad visable to collect those feelings, of which a doubt might be entertained, before the attempt was made. The measure involved questions of great difficulty, and their Lordships might naturally have had doubts of its expediency. With regard to the Bill to which he was then about to call their Lordships' attention, he had the satisfaction of thinking that it would not in the slightest degree interfere with any measure of a more extensive nature, and that its introduction was quite consistent with the office which he had the honour to hold. In asking their Lordships to assent to the principle of the Bill, h was not asking for anything which could relieve the labours with which he himself was charged, or any one who might succeed him hereafter. On the contrary, it would probably add materially to the duties of the Court of Chancery. He confessed, he felt no great personal interest in the question, because he had this protection against having any additional duties to per form, or labour to undergo ; that it was fully impossible to add to the duties with which he was at present charged.— (A laugh.) Unless their Lordships could add to the twenty-tour hours, they could not impose any further labours on him which it would be in his power to perform ; and no man even at present could fully discharge the obligations which the holding of the Great Seal im posed. He would, therefore, in introducing the Bill, put the convenience of an individual in that office out of the question, as the measure could possibly afford no relief to him. Of course, therefore, he bad no personal interest in the present question, but he considered it his duty vigilantly to watch over the proceedings connected with the administration of justice, and especially as far as they related to the present subject. When he had satisfied himself that justice could not be fairly administered in the present state of the Court of Chancery, and when he saw justice denied to suitors on that account, he f e lt it was hi s duty to submit to their Lordships such a measure as might appear to him best calculated to remove acknowledged evils. The business of the Court of Chancery was at pre sent greater than it would be possible for three men to discharge, and that proposition had been so universally ad mitted that he should not occupy much of their Lordships' time by demonstrating it by figures, which would show the increase that had taken place in the business of the Court. Those who knew nothir b ee of the matter might tell th em o f the quantity of business done by Lord Hardwicke, and the manner in which that distinguished individual had per formed the duties of his office. No one had a higher respect than he (the Lord Chancellor) had for the manner in which that learned personage had discharged his duties, and he had lately had an opportu nity of having access to the papers of Lord Hardwicke, and of seeing the volumes of judgments which he delivered, and it was manifest that he had left nothing undone which labour could effect. The great talents of that Judge, and the manner in which the laws of equity had improved under his care, had not yet been forgotten ; but when he (the Lord Chancellor) looked back at the business which Lord Hardwicke had to per form, and when he compared it with that which devolved on a Lord Chancellor of the present day, he was only sur prised that he had not had more leisure than appeared to be the case. The business done in the Court of Chancery in Lord Elardivicke's time could not be so accurately ascertained as that which had been gone through since, and he could not, consequently, submit to the House any returns relating to the Court of Chancery in Lord Hard wicke's time. He would therefore . begin . by referring to the business done in the Court of Chancery in the 3 ear 1759, immediately after Lord Hardwicke's retirement. The average of cases set down for the five years ending in 1764 was 383. The average of the five years end ing in 1754 was 461. The average of the five years ending in 1804 was 501. The average of the five years ending in 1812, immediately before the estab lishment of a Vice-Chancellor, was 562. Ia the five years ending in 1824, after a Vice-Chancellor was appointed, the number of cases rose to 959. Tho average of cases for the five years ending in 1839, was 1,248. These returns showed that the number of cases at the last mentioned period, was three times greater than it was when Lord Hardwicke resigned the great seal, and more than twice as great as it was iii 1812, when a Vice- Chancellor had been appointed. That showed that they were not to look to the quantity of business now done in the Court of Chan cery, but to chat it would be if the .Court was fully open to suitors. It was clear that if there was a Court in which a party could expect speedy justice, the number of cases would greatly increase. There was scarcely a cause which had not to work its way up to a bearing twice, each time that required a period of three years, so that there was a total loss of six years which could not be helped ; that was a great grievance which he trusted their Lord ships would remedy. In 1802, the Suitors Fund, under the control of the Court of Chancery, was 19,908,4411., it now amounted to 41,546,000/. It had more than doubled during that period. Those sums included the money belonging to infants, lunatics, and others. but it was all under the administration of the Coal t of Chancery, and was an enormous sum to be locked up for such periods as causes remained in that Court. The increase of the business in the Lord Chancellor's Court was great in consequence of appeals from the other two Judges of the Court. In 1704 there were only ton re peals ; they had gradually risen, and the average during the last ten years had bcca no less than fifty-two. Again, much business had been thrown upon the Court by the general establishment of railroads throughout the country; they had been frequent applicants and were not likely to be less so. He had thought it his duty, to the utmost of his strength, to get over the arrear of business ; and to adopt every means by which justice could be fairly and speedily administered to the suitors. He had devoted more time than any of his predecessors for the last 25 years to the bearing of causes and appeals. It had been his habit, having got over the appeals in one department, to apply himself to another; and when the House was not sitting, he had been able to get over some original causes. But nothing that had been done had diminished the ar rears ; and he was satisfied that nothing, but a great in• crease of strength would get rid of the grievance. That being his object, and such the difficulties with which it was surrounded, he had next to consider in what way it could be carried into effect. He had avoided, as far as possible to avoid, touching on the facts out of 1% hich the grievance had arisen. Part of them were connected with the Court of Chancery itself, part with the Court of Ex chequer, and part with the Court of Privy Council. The Court of Exchequer had a twofold jurisdiction—in law and in equity. A change was introduced into the constitution of the Court some years ago, by which the Crown was empowered to appoint another Judge, to take the place of the Chief Baron, when lie was engaged out of his Court ; and since that, another Act was passed to euable one of the Puisne Judges to preside in the place of the Chief Baron, as a judge in equity. Now there were several inducements and temptations to suitors and solicitors to go into that Court, instead of into a Court of Chan cery. The solicitors had a temptation in the fact, that their profits were ten per cent, greater in that Court, than in the Court of Chancery. He (the Lord Chancellor) had caused a bill of costs in his Court to be compared with one in the Court of Exchequer, and he found that such was the fact. In the Court of Exchequer the folio was charged as seventy-two words—whereas, in the Court of Chancery, ninety words were allowed to a folio. The suitor had an advantage in the Court of Exchequer, that he could have his cause heard in that Court as soon as ready ; whereas it might not come on for hearing in Chancery within six years. Notwithstanding those inducements to go to tire Court, what was the state of the case? The business of the Court—. out any detriment to the Court of Exchequer, was far better enabled to decide cases in equity than that Court. The adoption of this would afford the means of abolishing a great number of officers in the Court of Exchequer, which, under its present constitution, were necessary to carry on the small business that was disposed of there. His object, therefore, was to transfer the Equity business of the Exchequer to the Court of Chancery, and together with it all those officers which were necessary. That would bring the exercise of Equity within one Court, which would be extremely desirable. There was another subject of ex treme importance to call to their Lordships' attention. The House, no doubt, was aware of the important duties per formed by the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council. Of late years considerable additions had been made to those duties. The duties that had usually been performed by the Court of Delegates was thrown upon that Committee. The Lord Chancellor, and the Chief Justice of the Queen's Bench, were obliged to attend it, and when they did so they must of necessity neglect their own Courts. Now, to obviate that, it had been suggested that all the Judges should have power to attend. That he thought was a pro position which could not be acceded to. Then, again, it was matter of complaint that there was no head to the Ju dicial Committee ; that had been felt in the year 1834, and a Bill had been brought in for the purpose of obviating it, but that had not been followed out. He believed that there was noshing more essential than in an establish. mont of that sort some one should be placed is that position, and in order to remedy that defect, he thought the proper course was to put at the head of the Court the high judicial officer who for fifty years, with but a short interval, had presided in that Court before the Judicial Committee was established. The Master of the Rolls was the officer whom he would propose should take the duties of presiding in the Privy Council. He was the highest judicial officer who c ou ld fi n d ti me to attend to that Court." He made this proposition with some feelings of re gret, because it would be impossible to impose this labour without depriving the Court of Chancery of the ta lents of that Noble Judge. But it was a d.fficulty that was necessary to encounter, and it was more easy to supply the loss of the Master of the Rolls than any other judi cial officer. If their Lordships sanctioned the appoint ment of more Judges in the Court of Chancery, there would be no difficulty in so distributing the business of the Court as not to feel the loss of that Judge. His propo sition, therefore, was that the Master of the Rolls should be the Vice-President of the Judicial Committee, that he should attend the sitting of that Court, and that power should be given, if necessary, to appoint some other person during his absence. He had now explained to their Lordships his views with regard to the Court of Ex chequer and the Privy Council, and looking to the addi tional business that would be thrown upon the Court of Chancery in consequence of the abolition of Equity Ex chequer, he thought it would require two new Judges in Chancery adequately to carry on the business of that Court. Such was the outline of the plan he submitted to their Lordships, and in proposing it he wished to guard him:elf against the supposition that he thought it was all that ought to be done. He believed it was all that ought to be done at the present moment. There wanted great alterations in the interior of the Court of Chancery, but that was a matter for future consideration. At present all that he asked of their Lordships was to afford those faci lities of justice in Chancery which he thought he had shown were greatly required. Although this proposal made a large addition to the number of offices in the Court of Chancery, yet the funds of that Court were so' ample as to enable it to be accomplished without any burthen on the public._( Hear, hear.) The Noble Lord concluded by moving the second reading of the Bill. Lord Is YND II UR ST most cordially seconded the mo tion of his Noble and Learned Friend on the woolsack. The question of the Court of Chancery had been so fre quently under discussion in their Lordships' House, and the general nature of the facts was so well understood that it ' would be quite unnecessary for him to occupy much of their Lordships' time, particularly after he had stated that it was his intention to vote for the second reading of the Bill. It operated with a sort of compound force. It is not the same in Equity as in Common-law Courts ; in the latter a case is argued, and judgment being given, the case was at an end ; but in Courts of Equity a cause was brought again and again before the Court, and on each occasion delays intervened, and the evil was increased in an accumulated degree. He had always found that this was a most intolerable grievance; it was a disgrace to the country; it was an evil which those unconnected with the Court of Chancery were unaware of the misery which it caused ; it would be a disgrace to the Parliament if it did not provide a remedy for so gross a grievance. It was with pride that he had done everything in his power to remedy the evil ; on several occasions he had brought in Ellis similar to that introduced by his Noble and Learned Friend ; in the result they had been unsuccessful. A Commission had been appointed for the purpose of in quiring into the evils of Chancery practice ; they re ported ; and he, while he filled the high station now so worthily filled by his Honourable and Learned Friend, in conjunction with the late Master of the Rolle and the Vice Chancellor, made some rules and regulations in order to carry that report into effect. That, however, was merely one step to remedy the griev ance. Yet those Bills, although they had passed through that House without opposition, were received in another House with clamour, and something like party feeling, and the result was that the Bills were lost. From that time until the present ho had not altered his opinions. On the contrary, every discussion which had taken place since had confirmed him; it was perfectly impossible for the present Judges to get through the business of the Court. In the language of the present Vice-Chancellor, in his evidence before a Committee of the House of Com mons, upon being asked whether three Judges could un dertake the business, he said No, that three angels were not competent to do the work. That, then, was an admitted fact, and the remedy was simple; if three Judges were not competent to keep down the arrears of business, then appoint another, and if four were not enough, then let a fifth one be appointed. With these sentiments he would desert his duty to the suitors of the Court of Chancery, to their Lordships, and the public, if he did not give the second reading of the Bill his warmest sup port.—( Hear, hear.) He knew that it was said that the number of appeals would be greatly increased; he did not admit the argument ; but even if it were so, still he thought the Bill ought to pass, because not one in fifty judgments ever became the subject of appeal. And ho would ask whether it was not something to get quit of the forty-nine? There was in reality no arrear of appeals, and whenever the original cause-list was worked down, his Noble and Learned Friend would have no difficulty in coping with the appeal-list. Others, again, would not support such a subordinate measure. They said that the whole subject ought to be brought under the notice and consideration of Parliament ; but this was idle, for no two individuals were agreed as to the reforms necessary, or the manner in which the appellant jurisdiction of that House ought to be established. Here was a great practical evil—here, also, was a practical remedy to apply to that evil—and, according to the principles of common justice, their Lordships could not refuse their assent to the second reading of the Bill. Of course, when the Bill went into Committee it would be their Lordships' duty Lo consider its details, and foethat consideration, they had for their guidance a very remarkable fact. His Noble and Learned Friend, Lord Brougham, by almost incredible exertions, wiped off the extreme arrear of appeals. For that one act ho was highly deserving of their Lordships' thanks and those of the country. By his immense exertions the arrears had been got under, and they had never been suffered again to get ahead. If one intelligent, able, and in dustrious man were appointed, he could wipe the whole of the arrears off in a year and a half ; where then was the necessity for the appointment of two new :Judges ? He knew that it was said by many, that if they opened up the Court and gave facilities to the immediate hearing of causes, they would become more numerous. That however, was mere speculation. Why not wait till the inconvenience was found out before making an unnecessary addition to the number of Judges? There was no arrear of business in the Rolls' Court. His Noble and Learned Friend who presided in that Court was a man of industry and talent. Why then did not the suitors prefer that Court, where speedy judgment might be obtained? It was the same in the Exchequer; there was no arrear of causes there. Suitors might have their cases heard, and the decision might be had in a few days. Yet there was no great influx of business into those Courts. It was a mere speculation, and one which he did not think well founded. Then with respect to the Exchequer. It was proposed to abolish altogether the equity jurisdiction of the Exchequer. That was a subject of very great ime portance, and was not to be hastily done. He remembered that when he filled the office of Lord Chancellor—when he was young in the practice of equity—he proposed a measure having the same object in view—but that Bill was warmly and fervently opposed by Lord Eldon, by Lord Redesdale, and even by the Chief Justice of the King's Bench, and the weight and talent of that opposition obliged him to withd raw the measure. That part of the Bi ll, however, in was not an essential part. It was almost inconsistent with the re maining provisions of the Bill. Could they any measure facilitate the business of the Court of Chancery, by abolish ing the equity jurisdiction of the Exchequer? He had heard it argued that the equitable jurisdiction incumbered the common law jurisdiction of that Court. There was a very simple answer to that argument. It was a singular fact, that more common law causes were entered in that Court than in either of the other two; both of them had a large arrear of business, while in the Exchequer they had no arrear at all. the Committee he would submit to their Lordships whether it was expedient to abolish that Court. Some people said that the Court of Chancery was altogether a grievance. S ome even went t h e length of calling it a nuisance, because of the great arrears of business. In the Exchequer there was no such grievance, causes were heard and determined within a very short period, yet they were attempting to remedy the evil in the one case by abolishing that Court in which there was no arrear of business. He cons id ere d t h at t h ey wou ld b e d o i ng an in justice to the suitors in the Exchequer; they had gone into that Court for the purpose of obtaining a prompt de cision of their cause. Why were they, then, to be handed over to the Court of Chancery, which had already too much business ? The appeal, again, from that Court was much more lik e l y to b e sat i s f actory, as the de cision would be given by a Judge different from he who had first heard the cause, which was not the case in appeals from the Court of Chancery. The Equity jurisdiction of the Court of Exchequer in this country was similar to that of the Court of Exchequer in Ireland. In Ireland the Court of Exchequer was for many years the favourite Equity Court in that country, \\hy should not t h e same ta k e pl ac e in this country if the evils were remedied to which his Noble and Learned Friend 114 d alluded? He was now pronouncin g no posi tive opinion upon this subject, but merely offering th ese observations for consideration in Committee, which would be the proper time for saying whether or no they were cor rect. He had thought it his duty to make th em, but sho u ld go i nto C omm i ttee w i t h an unbiassed mind as to whether or not that should form part of this Bill on its third re a di ng . A s to - the third portion of the B : 11 , the amendment n ith res pect to the judicature of th e p, iv Council, l ie ent i re l y ag reed with :what had b een stated by his Noble rand Learned Friend as to th e pro priety o f t h ere b e i ng a permanent ,as of that tribunal. lie ( Lord Lyndhurst) had recommend. ed it over and over again, but thin there were the difficulties which had been alluded to by his Noble and Learned Friend. He well knew there was no person living who, for intelligence, independence, and spirit, was more proper to preside at that tribunal than his Noble and Learned Friend the Master of the Rolls. But this would be attended with great inconvenience. He must be taken from his Court—that Court which was now the most re gular of the Equity Courts —where the Judge sat regu larly day after day, where there was a regular bar, and where nothing could be more regular than its whole pro ceedings. This regularity he (Lord Lyndhurst) was most unwilling to interrupt. And while the inconvenience was complained of, as he had frequently heard it, of the Chancellor being taken from his Court to attend proceed ings in the House of Lords, while everybody felt and ad mitted the inconvenience resulting from this, which he Ifelt, at the same time, would be difficult to remedy, it was kproposed to introduce precisely the same inconvenience into the Rolls' Court. This was matter for grave con sideration. Therefore, when they came into Com mittee, it would be for them to consider whether they would appoint a permanent Judge as President of the Council, or the Master of the Rolls, who could not attend without the greatest inconvenience. His Noble and Learned Friend bad said what was a little fallacious, when he said that for the last fifty years, previous to the establishment of the Judicial Committee, the Master of the Rolls was in the habit of presiding at the Privy Council. lie (Lord Lyndhurst) admitted that, and that he had done so without inconvenience, and why ? Because then the Master of the Rolls sat in the evening and in the morning for a short period only during a por tion of the year, so that fact would not apply to the pre sent Master of the Rolls, who now sat every morning. As to another part of the Bill, in which his Noble and Learned Friend did not seem disposed to allow of altera tion—the proposal to call in the Judges to assist the Privy Council—he thought this:was not treating the Judges with great respect. It was their interest to uphold the dignity of the Judges of the land, and place them in the highest possible position. By long custom and ancient usage they had been in the habit of attending their Lordships' House, to answer questions on points of law, but to make them attend • the call of the Vice-President of the Privy Council was, he thought, a little inconsis tent with their rank and station. But ho thought it also inconsistent with the whole constitution of the Privy Council. By this Bill Assistant Judges were to be called in and sit with the Privy Council—to be co-ordinate with them, and have voices, so that:in case of divisions of opinion it was possible the Council might have to advise the Crown to adopt a measure they condemned, because it was recommended by a body of their assistants. But further, the Privy Council took an oath, and the Judges took an oath. There was a Judge in this country who was not bound to administer justice according to his oath. If they adopted the provision of his Noble and Learned Friend's Bill some alteration must be made in this respect. Again, he thought the power it gave of judicial ap pointment might possibly lead to the most serious abuses. But these were matters they would consider with un biassed minds in Committee. He considered the main principle of the Bill was that, there being a great arrear of causes in the Court of Chancery to be disposed of— ;meats not of to-day or yesterday, but which had been ex isting for 100 years—this was clearly a grievance, and must be got rid of by the appointment of additional Judges. The other parts of the Bill were subsidiary, and if rejected would not affect this vital principle. He therefore proposed that the Bill should be read a second time, leaving himself unbiassed as to the union points, the number of Judges, the removing the Equity jurisdic tion from the Exchequer, and the permanence of the Pre sident of the Judicial Committee of Privy Council, which were subjects of great importance, no doubt, but which it would be better to discuss in Committee than on that ac casion.—( Hear.) Lord ABING ER rose to support the motion, but was quite inaudible in the gallery. We understood his Lord ship to say he agreed with his Noble and Learned Friend who had just sat down, in his opinion of the main princi ple of the Bill. He objected to the abolition of the equity jurisdiction of the Court of Exchequer. The Noble and Learned Lord (the Lord Chancellor) had said only 102 causes were filed in that Court, but of petitions for pay ment of money accruing from property, the title to which was the subject of contention in the Court of Chancery, and which were of the nature of suits, the number was 432 last year, which proved the business of the Court had increased instead of having diminished. The Court was a favourite Court with suiters, on account of its afford ing them more speedy decisions their! the Court of Chancery. He had no pe rsona l mot i ve for its con tinuance, for it would relieve him from some part of his labour if it were abolished.—(llear. ) Before he sat down he wished to make an observation on that past of the Bill which related to the new duties im posed on the Master of the Rolls. The office of a Master of the Rolls was now of very essential importance to the Court of Chancery. It appeared, therefore, to him, that the wiser course to follow would be to meet the case fully, and to appoint the Vice-Chancellor Vice-President of the Privy Council. That would certainly appear to him the most advisable mode of proceeding. The Noble and. Learned Lord concluded by saying that he would not op pose the second reading of the Bill, but he should cer tainly use his utmost endeavours to prevent the abolition of the Court of Exchequer. Lord LYNDII U R ST wished to explain a statement of his. He had said that the Judges who were to be called to: the assistance of the Privy Council, were to have a voice equal to the Members of the Privy Council. He was mistaken in that assertion, and his error arose from referring to a copy of the Bill, which was not that which bad been laid on the table of the House. Lord WYNFORD then addressed the House, but in so low a tone, that he was almost completely inaudible. We understood him to say that he had no objection to the appointment of any additional Judges that might be re quired to assist the Court of Chancery. With regard to the Privy Council, he thought that what principally called for correction in its constitution was, that there was ut present no fixed time for its assembling. It was not a president who was wanted for that Court, but Judges who would sit in it. As to the abolition of the Court of Exchequer, he thought that such a measure would not contribute to relieve the Court of Chancery, and that it would be attended with inconvenience. He believed that the transfer in question could do no good, and that it should, therefore, do harm. He would, however, con sent that the Bill should go into Committee, when he would propose any amendment he might think proper. Lord L ANG DALE said that he approved of the prin ciples of the Bill, and he would not think it necessary to trespass long on the attention of their Lordships. There were some points, however, on which he wished to make a few observations. Every one agreed in thinking that assistance was required in the Court of Chancery, and the mode of affording that assistance was all that re quired discussion. As a friend of the Bill, he had been glad to hear of the intention of his Noble and Learned Friend opposite ( Lord Lyndhurst) to give to it his sup port, but he confessed that, after hearing of the intention of his Noble and Learned Friend to agree to the second reading of the Bill, it was impossible for any friend of the measure to listen without a feeling of disappointment to the objections which his Noble and Learned Friend afterwards made to it. His Noble and Learned Friend had stated that he would enter on the dis cussion of the question without any bias whatever. That might be so, and he (Lord Langdale) should observe that he had no doubt as to the issue of the Bill. It would be right that he should state to their Lordships his reasons for assenting to that part of the Bill in which he was himself immediately concerned. It had been his wish to unite the appellate jurisdiction of all the Courts, but their Loidships were not prepared to accede to that proposal, and the juris diction of the Privy Council was still to be left a separate jurisdiction by the present Bill. It would be necessary, therefore, either to appoint a judge who should have to preside over the Privy Council, which did not sit more than a quarter of the year, or else they should calla judge from sonic other Court for the purpose. The latter course had been adopted, and he did not know any Court from which a judge could be more properly borrowed than from the Rolls. The Master of the Rolls had the great advantage of being accustomed to the hearing of such cases as would come before the Privy Council. As far as he himself was concerned, the proposed measure could not have been framed for his convenience, as it would only add to his la bour. The Noble and Learned Lord concluded by sup_ porting the second reading of the Bill. The LORD CHANCELLOR said that in reply to some of the arguments brought for ward as objections to the Bill, he would read a statement made by a high authority —by a Noble and Learned Lord (Lord Lyndhurst) —who bad addressed the House that night. In the reports of the Parliamentary proceedings of the year 1829, he found the following sentence attributed to the then Lord Chancel lor I propose additional Judges in the Court of Chan. eery, and I propose that to those new Judges the Equity business of the Court of Exchequer shall be transferred." With regard to the arrangements relating to the Privy Council, be (the Lord Chancellor) found the following sentence attributed to the Noble and Learned Lord in 1836 :—" I propose that there be an additional Judge ap pointed in the Court of Chancery, and that that Judge should preside over the Privy Council. He (the Lord Chancellor) would content himself with reading those two passages, and he would snake no further observation except to express a hope that the deliberate opinion formed in 1829 and 1836 i would now be adhered to by his Noble and Learned Friend. Lord L YNDH URST said that the first passages which his Noble and Learned Friend had read were those to which he had himsel f referred in the course of his speech. In the time of Lord Eldon he had proposed a change in the Court of Chancery, to which he was not now opposed. With regard to the other passage, he had merely expressed a wish for the appointment of an additional Judge in the Court of Chancery, for the purpose of wiping off the arrears of business, and he thought that the time of the Chancellor would afterwards be available for the Privy Council. The Bill was then read a second time, and their Lord ships adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS, MA r 11. The SPEAKER took the Chair shortly before Five o'Clock. The Swinford Minnis Enclosure Bill was read a second time. The Birmingham, Bristol, and Thames Junction Railway Bill was read a second time, and referred to the General Committee on Railways. Captain ALSAGER brought up the Report on the Thames Tunnel Bill. EASTERN COUNTIES RAILWAY BILL. Mr. Alderman WOOD presented a petition, nume rously signed by Shareholders of the Eastern Counties Railway, against the Bill brought in by the Right Hon. and G a ll ant M em b er for East Suffolk, for the amend ment of th a t C ompany ' s Act o f I ncorpori .tion. Mr. MILNES presented a similar petition (whence we did not learn). The Marquis of DOURO presented two petitions from N orw i c h, one i n f avour , an d the other against the Bill—(A laugh). Lord GRANVILLE SOMERSET presented two petitions against the Bill, one from Ipswich, the other from Great Yarmouth, EVENING EDITION._ Several other petitions, both in favour of and agains the Bill were presented by Hon. Members whose name we did not hear. Mr. KELLY presented petitions, in favour of the Bill, from Fulham and other places in Suffolk, and from Diss in Norfolk. Mr. BRAMSTON presented petitions from nume rous shareholders in Essex, against the Bill. Mr. LO WTHER presented a petition to the same effect from a number of shareholders. Mr. PARKE presented three petitions from places in Norfolk, against the Bill. Sir C. B. VERE presented four petitions, i n favour of the Bill. Lord SANDON presented a petition from the Directors of the Eastern Counties Railway Company, against the Bill, which was to come on for second read ing this evening, for the alteration of their Act of In corporation ; also a petition from a large body of share holders to the same effect. Sir JAMES GRAHAM presented a petition from the Eastern Counties Railway Company under their corporate seal against the further progress of the Bill.- - (Laughter.) Sir R. INGLIS presented a petition from the Col lege of St. M ar y M ag d a l ene , O x f or d , aga i nst t h e Bill. Sir C. B. VERE then rose, and said, in moving the second reading of the Eastern Counties Railway Amend merit t3ill, in consequence of the number of petitions which bad been presented for and against the Bill , he thought it n ecessar y t o trou bl e the House for a shor t time, while he stated his motives for making such a me tion. He had taken up the Bill because he thought it was right in principle, and in his opinion ought to g o into Committee. All who knew anything of the Railway were aware that in 1836 the original Bill was brought in and passed. According to that Act the Company ought to have completed much more than theY had done ; they had not yet completed a greater distance. than twelve miles, a nd many o f t h e terms o f t h e Act had not been fulfilled. In 1838 a Bill was brought in to amend the original Act an d t o exten d t h e t i me . A be l that time the c o mp os iti on o f t h e Di rect i on was altered both in number and quality. Originally the Direction consisted of twenty-two members ; eleven of them we re persons being shareholders, and livingalong the line of the railroad, having local interests, and eleven represented the other shareholders. From what cause lee knew not, bu t this was altered ; at a meeting of the Shareholders the Direction was reduced to 17, and— Mr. BRISCOE rose to or d er. F rom the Tine's throughout the House it was impossible for any P ee ; , a n H Member to hea r th e s t a t ement made b y t h e on. Gallant Member. Sir C. B. VERE—The locally interested Director' were reduced from eleven to four-;three of them be onging to Essex, one to Norfolk, and none at 211 re presenting S u ff o lk. Thi s circumstance created a feel ing in the m i n d s o f many that the Directors . we r wishing to take exclusive possession of the railw?,Y against the wish es an d op i n i ons o f t h ose part i e s loan! Interested in the matter. It was thought necessary t° have full local representation of the local interests, a nd accordingly in 1838 a mot i on to t h at e ff ect w as mou e, but negatived. I n t h at C omm i ttee was di scus sed wha t security the counties should have that the line would be fi n i s h e d— wou ld b e carr i e d througho ut " The only security offered was a very plausible one---r_ profit Yias to b e di v id e d unt il the co mpletion of tnu railwe,y. Counsel's opinion was taken upon the P eitit ' In and that was inserted in the Act of Parliament. IPAit lie did not know whether the land had been Pur vhased so far as Colchester, but soon after it was" Since that ti me h e did no t fi n d t h at any pur chase ne:: been made b e y on d th a t po i nt . Thi s certa i n ly indica ted a very great slowness upon the part of the Com P e e! to fulfil the provisions of the Act of , Parliement• nourable Memb ers wou ld not b e surprised that tle Counties sh ou ld b e urgent in getting Wu e measure to compel them to complete the whole The Company had not taken any steps to induce ( 1 ,7_ Sharehold ers t o b e li eve they meant to do so, but on tr contrary, every circumstance led them to believe that they intend e d t o carry t h e ra i lway no f ur ther (1 1( a _ Colchester. It was t rue , t h ey sa i d t h ey i nte nded to a t. ' so, but they cou ld not state any t i me w i t hi n which the' whole line w ou ld b e comp l ete d . I t was c l e ar to all those who resided in the neighbourhood of Ip swich " that if the railway proceeded to Colchester, i t neverwould be carried o n i n th e di rect i on o f Ipswic h, because at Col c h es t er i t wou ld connect itself wi th other lines whi c h wou ld carry i t i n a directio n other than that of Ip sw i c h. C o l c h es t er h a d every red. son to be satisfied if it p rocee d e d t o t h a t t o wn alone: Norfolk was in diff eren t c i rcums t ances , becauee was more or less c onnec t e d w i t h Suffolk..—(He ar '' hear.) Still Norf o lk h a d a reme d y , because t b 8 North-Eastern Lin e did not proceed through - N orfo', l 4 it had the advanta ge o f connect i ng i tse lf w ith scof other Line. Th e wes t ern p ar t s o f t h e county o f Sae"' also would find that they might be enabled to piofit the formation of another line ; but Ipswich and th e eastern parts of Suffolk, if the present line wa s not extended to Yarmouth, could never hope to o btaio benefit. It was out of the question to suppose that i t the present line was abandoned any other line could be executed to carry the benefit of railroad communicatio n from London to Ipswich. The Railroad A c t h a d be 7 ' passed through Parliament by the favour it r . e , e ; : ve o; from gentleman connected with the two e"T l an cleu pr Norfolk and Suffolk, and although maul j u r,ro prietors in these districts were opposed to tiled their' duction of railroads altogether, still they sa crifice ! . t i b e see own opinions to give the country the benefit o need undertakings. Such being the case, Hen. Memb erin ß ilt not be surprised if he had taken up the present t. somewhat earnestly, He did not mean to say that h t : Bill, as it stood, was that which was most appliee h ' l e st the purposes contemplated. All he asked was, til_ d the House would sanction the second reading, Ab er when it went into committee, its clauses 11'4:a hem considered, because there were some of them he did not feel himself at all desirous of suOcor til f w What he was particul ar ly d es i rous of was that t terms of the Act of Parli amen t mi4lit fulfilled by i completing the line t o Y armou th, C o l c h e ster, and T ps wich.--(Hear.) He was desirous of seeing the Act us originally passed completed, an d nothing else. He did, not complain of the question h av i ng be en referred ,_ t the Courts of Law, because he k new ver y vi ol Oa s the Court might ;mpose penalties for non-fulfilmen t A ° the conditions of the Act, but the C our t co uld not " (I ' what that House could do. The House could enable th e ' Company to raise more money upon loan, by which railway might be completed. He believed that a s ti „,""' of 2,133,0001. had been nearly or almost wholly e ,„" -^ pended ; but the question was not how that enormous penditurc had carried the railway no further than 12 ni u e e , front London—the question was whether t" 6/ Shareholders who had advanced their money in order l; have the line carried out according to the terms the Act of Parliament, were to lose their railroa d , altogether. The company said they could not rare money to carry the line through, but they we willing to do so if they could. It appeared t him that the object of the Company Was to e g ee t possession of the line according to their wishes, anu..s ee such a manner as would give them the most profitable return for their money, abandoning the interest of th s 1 1 . counties without which they could not have carried el' :e n ' t Bill. He did not complain of any set of men inve , st , ;l e, their property in thebest way they could ; at the s arne .' he must stand forward in behalf of those with who' ° the was connected, in order to c l a i m f or them some i advantages which they had been promised wile tb Bill was introd uce d. Many persons of small cells! l o had invested th e i r property i n t h e concern , a nd the 110 to them would be a very great inconvenience , . 0 f begged to conclude by moving the second the Bill. e Mr. BRAMSTON r o se to mo vi e th a t it be re' el ale second time that day six months. Th e Hen. G e ; t wo man stated that the Directors cm isisted of twenty w ith the persons, and t counties o eleven etl eleven nuwgiibom were Shure whichhettrre ftconnected locally upon the Direction had been tnoot d in the Com m that sat upon the Bill, 11 e • the c an th e opinion of prepared to recommend the House to mitten was that the Shareholders were the P r la t • persons to be Directors, and therefore they w ere . Ln ios s the railway ' We ci p tt a e : ! t t r e of the Shareholders. The -awe!. of limitthe t C he w" n ; ;ir i g t ! e, only entitl e d t h em to raiei.: 600,0001., but 'thou they had the power to borrow 500,000/. ni °l they had not be en a bl e to - find an body to le nd the, one single farthi ng . Th e Hon. Member y had stated thb: f they wi s h e d i t t h ey could raise the money . So people in Suffolk, and so said the promoters of this D l l l . but why did they not come there with the su Oseril i tion li s t, an d man if est a d i spos i t i on to put tith e hands in their own pockets. The fact was, Bile Company had told the promoters of the that, if they chose, they might take the line 1 .1 7 . , Colchester to Norwich. The only reason why / had not carried it on was, that they had all the funds raised by shares, and they 1 COu to de borrow one single sixpence. This related only. tails, but even upon the question of pr inciplehe. hl , b ,- 1/ - hoped that House would not sanction an application .sicrun; nine shareholders who had not called a meeting to cii t the matter. One thousand three hundred and twenty - ese w : t shareholders wore unanimously opposed to the.P i v .. (0 Bill. He therefore hoped the House wo uld not allota atria pass, especially when there was at this mom ent ties had e ndcavoured.to obtain a mandamus to c omp ,•et.. in the Court of Queen's Bench, in which these veryciptahr; Company to execute the very objects the Bill had in To that writ the Company would have to r eturn a" a an n s s , s v v e e r r i , n ,o ll u l l i , c i lla b e ,, ima s s ati t s e f, r le m t . ory Tl t l r e , y otreuscteocuirtt,llt.citirict fl'emrPed Ili e ' t ' h t the execution Court would l n a o w t . iinttednrc:lni stitna'teedintthei;:: tile object of the Bill was to enable the pa ne to raise money t o b u y l an d. Wh y , t h e s hares were thoetr moment at 50 p er cen t. di scount . Th e provision' this Bill were certainly of a most irregular nature. T" Bill itself was totally unprecedented, and he hoped that the House would rej-ct it.—( Hear, hear.) He there fore mov e d as an amendment, that the 131i1 be rec d tk 1 _ second time th a t d a y six months. The amenda.ent having been seconded. Captain PECHELL regiTtted that the, Hon. Mem' 1 I