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)Empttiai Varliattunt. HOUSE OF LORDS. MONDAY, M ARCH 4. NEGRO SLAVERY. Petitions, praying for the abolition of negro slavery, were presented by Lord King from Scoresby and Wedmore ; the Marquess of Lansdowne from Ware; Earl Grey from New castle-on-Tyne, Doncaster, Weffingten ana its vicinity; and by the Earl of Roden from Enniskillen, from the Scotch pres bytery of Newcastle-on-Tyne, and from the Protestant dis senters of Mallow. VIOLATION OF THE SABBATH. Petitions, on this subject, were presented -by the Earl of Roseberry from Linlithgow; the Bishop of Bangor from Bit lington , the Bishop of Loudon from Islington, Guildford, the dissenting congregation of the Spicer-street chapel, St. Alban's, and two parishes in the counties of Yorkshire and Berkshire; Lord Cawdor from a parish in the county of Mayo; the Earl of Denbigh from Ayrshire; Lord Wharnchffe from Sheffield; and the Earl of Roden from the presbytery of Aberdeen, from two parishes in the counties of Haddington and Cork, from the clergymen of Chinuock, Somersetshire, and from the justices of the peace of Kirkintillock. BEER SHOPS. The Bishop of Bristol presented a petition from the city.of Bristol against these establishments; and the Bishop of Bath and Wells another from Taunton on the subject of the increas ing demoralization of the poor. Petitions were also presented by Lord Amherst from the parish of St. George, Hanover-square, complaining of the charge of the new police; by the Earl of Roseberry on the subject of church patronage in Scotland; and by . Lord Clon curry from a parish in Galway, praying that the I rish coercive bill might not be passed; for the abolition of tithes, and for the estlablishment of a provision for the destitute poor of Ireland, TUESDAY. the Earl of ABOYNE presented a petition from a congrega tion in Perth for the better observance of the Sabbath. The Bishop of DURHAM presented a similar petition from Sunderland, and from the superintendents of a -Sunday school at Newcastle. The Bishop of-BaisToL, in presenting a-petition from a place in :Dorsetshire on the same subject, took occasion to observe, that the petition which he had presented ou Monday last was not only against the new beer-shops, but also for the better ob servance of the Sabbath. The subject of the new Beer Act had been adverted to in that petition as -one of the predisposing causes of the prevailing profanation of the Sabbath. Lord KING presented a petition against the coercive mea sures for Ireland, signed by the inhabitants of ten parishes in the county of Cork. The noble lord also presented a petition which, he observed, was very respectfully-worded, but of which the prayer was rather peculiar. The petitioner prayed their lordships to appoint a committee to inquire into the distress of the country, and professed himself ready to give information on the subject. Viscount LORTON presented a petition from (we understand) a portion of the shopkeepers of the city of London, for the bet- - ter observance of the Sabbath. The Earl of Uxuaincsipresented a similar petition from the city of Worcester. , The Earl of HARRoWBY presented similar petitions from Stanton and Sandon. The Marquess of WESTMEATH moved for some returns con nected with the records of the Court of King's Bench, Dublin. The LOUD CHANCELLOR opposed the motion on the ground of the inconvenience which would result to the court from the voluminous-mature Of the copies which would have to be made from the records. The copying Moue, the noble and learned ik i lord observe , would occupy rive or six months, during all which time the bu loess of the court must of necessity be suspended, as the copies ust be made in the presence of the Lord Chief Justice. He advised the noble marquess to postpone his motion until further inquiry should be made on the subject, in order the better to ascertain its necessity. The Marquess of WESTMEATH (we understood) acceded to this proposition, but the whole of the conversation which passed be tween the noble marquess and the Lord Chancellor was so indis tinctly-heard in-the-gallery that we fear some inaccuracies-may have crept into even the abode short description. The Earl of RODEN said he had a petition to present in which a noble lord opposite . (Viscount Clifden) was alluded to, and which was deserving of the particular attention of the house. It had not been' his intention to trouble the house with any observations on the subject of the petition, nor should he have done so had he not heard reports out f doors, which went to charge their lordships with indecently hurrying through the' house the coercive bill which was lately before them. Having, he said, heard these reports, he conceived it to be a duty incumbent on him to bring forward any circumstances which would prove to their lordships and to the country how false and malicious those charges were, by showing that the government were bound to extend protection to the peaceable portion of the Irish community, with as little delay as possible. When he first heard these slanderous reports he felt indignant, because he well knew what were their 'lordships' feelings in passing the bill now under consideration in the other house of parliament. He could not help thinking that persons who had propagated those reports were persons who cared not for the comfort or happiness of their fellow-creatures in Ireland,-were totally ignorant of the real condition of that country, and who had some sinister motive in keeping up agitation in that country; nor would they be satisfied until they had effected a complete separation of the legislative union, and a tolal des truction of the Protestant interest, religion, and population in Ireland. Under these circumstances, therefore, he felt it his duty to-read the contents of the -petition, --which, -though-not very long, was yet pithy enough. It was from a shopkeeper of New Ross, iu the county of 'Wexford, named William Strong bow Everet, who had obtained a lease of some land from Duff Clifden in 1826. On the 12th of May last, he received a threatening notice, and in the course of the following June, his house was attacked and his property destroyed. In one part of the petition it was stated that the petitioner had a large family of daughters, one of whom he sent to 'a school kept by a lgrs. Proud, about a mile distant from New Ross. Soon after notice was sent to the school, declaring that if the girl were not immediately sent- away, the entire family of the sch.oolmistress . would be murdered The petitioner, in conclu sion, stated that since the attack he had not been able to pro cure assistance of any labourers to repair his -losses, owing to the system of intimidation which was in force, and he therefore besought the house to take his case into consideration and afford him protection. Such was the state of things (the noble earl continued) which rendered the bill indispensably necessary —a bill called coercive, because it coerced conspiracies such as that alluded to in the petition, and protected peaceful industry. He would always say that the ministry had acted most wisely and judiciously in brin,,,eing forward that measure. He be lieveci, from- infonnationle had received from Ireland since it bad passed through their lordships' house, that it had also met with the approbation of almost ail classes there,. notwithstand ing its coercive character; and to no class had t given greater satisfaction than to the farmers of Ireland, who, under the ex isting system of intimidation, led the most wretched life of any persons on the face of the globe. Ile trusted the bill would come back to their lordship? house in the shape in which they had left it. Lord CLIFDEN said he could corroborate all the statements made by the petitioner, but the case detailed by Mr. Everet was trivial in comparison with, many others that occurred in Ire land. He would instance one :—Seven or eight years ago he had occasion to change three of his tenants, and put their suc cessors into slated houses. About three months ago the villains who were turned out, aided by others, made an attack upon the houses, and attempted to break in. Into the first they were ad mitted by a boy, and they immediately shot the tenant dead and burnt the crop; into the second they were not able to effect an entrance, - but they burnt the crop and cattle attached to it; the third they attacked, and the tenant died in consequence of the alarm and agitation into which he was thrown. 'What did he (Lord Cliftleu) direct to be done, under these circumstances ? He ordered the land, about 200 plantation acres, thus left tenantless, to be laid waste ' • and this he was determined to do in every similar case, for he would rather submit to have his whale estate laid waste than allow any of those wretches who spread such ruin and desolation over their country to possess it. If every landed proprietor in Ireland were to act in that way, he thought the wicked system of terrorism would be-effec tually counteracted. They were all bound to resist that sys tem. He had received that day a letter' from a man in busi ness in Ireland, in which the dreadful consequences of the sys tem he had alluded to were pointed out. The writer said ttat the farmers were in many parts of the country afraid to go to bed at night, and that all around presented but one scene of agitation and terror. The very tribute—the voluntary tribute, forsooth—was even collected under the same influence. In short; there was a standing' committee-of mischief in Dublin. (Hear, hear.) He was convinced that -tbe people of Ireland would gratefully thank.hii-Majesty's ministers for introducing the - measure, and believed that those who basely declared. 4ainst it privately acknowledged its necessity. The Marquess ofAVESYsinATir said that, in his opinion, dis tress was not the 'immediate cause of the disturbances in Ire land, but that they arose; in a 'great measure, from a spirit of s beer wickedness. 'He 'agreed with the' noble lord who had just sat down, that .there existed - in Dublin a standing com mittee of mischief. The Earl of ROSEBEICY presented a petition from Edinburgh (we believe) for the better observance of the Sabbath. 'l'he ➢Marquess of GuOLIJONDF.Luir presented a similar petition from Pontypool.—Adjourned. 110 USE Or etaIVIITIONS. MONDAY, MARCH 4. The Speaker took the chair at a quarter•past twelve o'clock, when 51r. Lyall presented himself at the table, and took the oaths and his seat as oue.of the qepresentatives of -the city of Loudon. THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD.; • ESTABLISHED CHURCH IN WALES. Lord It. GROSVENOR presented a petition .(of which he had given notice) from certain inhabitants of the city of Chester, connected with the - principality of Wales, praying an inquiry into the state of the churen establishment in that part of the country. The noble lord said, that although the petition was signed by only lOU of the inhabitants of that city, he beliolatd it contained the sentia.ents not only of a majority of that city, but of a large majority of the inhamtants of Wakes generally. OBSERVANCE OF TILE SABBATH. Captain SPENCER resented it petition from the inhabitants of the borough of Midhurst, praying for the better observance of•the Sabbath. . . . Sir J. WaovrEsLEY was sure that it was impossible to leave this subject-now -without some legislative • enactment, but he hoped that enactment would nuthe such an extension of law as to prevent its being carried into execution. • • • The Earl of DARLINGTON presented a •petition, signed by John Asser, of the •city of London, on behalf of himself and other milers, praying the 'house to take! measures-to -allow corn to betaken out of bond for the purpose of being ground for ex portation, on sufficient security being given• against abuses. The noble earl-also presentedpetitions from Staines and Lale ham, in Middlesex, nom Newbury, Speen, and East Garston, all in Berkshire, in favour of the better observance of the Sab bath. • •Mr. PALMER said, that, with ieference to-the - three petitions from Berkshire ; he had been intrusted with -their presentation ; but, in 'order to save-time, .he had requestedlis noble friend to lay them before the house. , fie begged to second their prayer, and had no • doubt 'that all would be anxious to agree to any practicable measure •to • carry it into effect: There was, how ever, one part of the petition. from East Garston to which he begged to call the•partieular- attention of his Majesty's minis ters. They noticed thatesovhilst the cholera raged, his Ma jesty had been pleased to appoint a fast-day, .so now that, by the mercy of Prev - ntence,•it -was entirely departed from us, they hoped the' government-wedd 'advise ins Majesty •to appoint a • day of thanksgiving. • Petitions laid-upon-the -table. Mr. LEONARD 140001-N -presented a petition from the city of. Armagh, igainst measures df 'coercion-with -respect to Ireland. Colonel . SEAbli presented : a petition from Dartmouth, signed by the ministers of -persuasions, in favour of the - better ob servance of the •Sabbatii. _ • _ _ • 7 Mr. V , 5511'141 presentedpetitions Irani the inhabitants of the 'towns of -Cliff •ttegis • and .Brjgstock, Northamptonshire, for the immediate• abolition -of negro slavery. The hon. gen tleman also presented petitions-from the towns.of•Dingley and 'Northampton, praying that the 4touse would examine into the corporations -of -these-places. Lord J.: RUSSELL presented.a 'petition _from - the inhabitants of 'Kingsford, county of Devon, against the punishment of death in certain- cases; also petitions from- the parishes of Otter ley St. Mary, and -East atm 'West' Teignmouth, for the better observance of the Sabbath. 'Also ,petitions from the Wesleyan Methodists of Axminster, 'Devonslaire, and' from the inhabi tants of a parish in Yorkshire, for the immediate abolition of slavery, with proper • provisions for the safety of -all parties. The noble lora also presented a petition - from an individual named James Hunter, of St. •Yanerasparish, - for the abolition of tithes, and in favour of church reform. 'Mr. HEATHCOTE presented a petition froin 'Denningtan, in the county of Lincoln; praying for Vie abolition of negro slavery. The Marquess of CHANDOS would takelho oppo'rtunityotthe presenting of that petition to ask the nobleJord opposite whether it was the intention of His -Majesty's government' to come forward•with any measures for the abolition of slavery or. not? -A notice of motion stood on- the :paper for the 19th, which,' however, he understood was to be withdrawn: Lord ALTHORP said that he had given an answer to that question some time ago, stating . that it was the intention of His'Maj esty's government to •bring forward a'measure which they hoped would bring the subject to a safe and satisfactory conclusion : further than-that he did not feel justified in giving the noble marquess an answer. Mr. HEATHCOTE presented a -petition from the• parish of Falkiugham, • Lincolnshire, for the better dbser vaae of the Sabbath. • • • SHEIL 'presented a. petition from Iloscrea, in the county of Tipperary,. signed by 2000 persons, stating that the admi • nistration of justice had been properly conducted, through the intervention of juries, in Ireland; that on that account there was no necessity -for courts-martial; and praying the.house not to allow • any arbitrary law to pass. '1 he hon. meniber stated that he understoou similar petitions were about to be presented from other parts of Ireiand,.and one from Liverpool; signed by upwards of •16,000 persons, praying the house would not adopt the•bill for the coercion of Ireland: • Mr. EWA RT was understood to say he believed the hon. and i learned gentleman was quite correct n the information he had received respecting the Liverpool petition. lie would take an early opportunity of presenting that petition, and, in doing so, give it all the support he conscientiously could, although he felt bound•to say tas he was . understood in the gall er y) that he approved the tenour of-the measure brought iorward by His "Majesty's•ministers. Mr WASOIT believed that•there• was a petition in the course of signature at this moment in . Liverpool, approving of .the inea• sure, and praying- it •tnight pass, in cons eq u ence o f no ot h er measure, in their opinions, being calculated to pr o duc e the . desired effect. Mr. C. O'DwYare inquired whether that petition was in the course of being signed as the result of, a public meeting having been called for the purpose ? Mr. WASON believed that neither petition emanated from a public meeting. SHELL• presented a petition from Kingscourt, in the county of Cavan, praying that no arbitrary measure might be introduced as a law into Ireland. Also a petition from Clo nalty and Rossmore, in the county of Tippdrary, to the same effect; also &petition to the same effect from the town of Fet hard. Mr.-Sn nit presented a petition 'from Cronolty,.praying for the entire abolition of tithes. He could not avoid expressing that it was a very extraordinary circumstance that no commu nication had been made by his Majesty's'government respect ing anything they meant to propose on this subject. (Hear.) _ . . 'Mr. SIIEIL presented a petition from 155 of the electors of New-Windsor, praying - the - house to pass a law to prevent the officers of his Alajesty's establishment from interfering in any way whatever with the freedom of election. The petition stated facts which were well deserving the attention of the house. Lord W. LEKNox said, a petition had been presented against the return for Windsor, and afterwards withdrawn. It appeared to him rather extraordinary that it should have been withdrawn if the statement contained in the present petition was true. Mr. SIIEIL then presented a- petition-from Mr. Francis-Hor ner, of the city of Londonderry, complaining of the conduct of the corporation of that city. Ihe petition stated that the funds of that corporation were vested in :)6 persons, namely, 12 alder men and 24 burgesses. Many years ago the corporation bor rowed money of government, £15,000; to be paid without inte rest, at the rate of £3OOO a year, on condition that the corpora tion created a fund from the tolls of £30,000. From 1814 to 1830, they did not pay the government one farthing, nor had they accumulated any portion of the fund,that they had been bound to raise. He also presented a petition from certain in habitants of Dublin, praying for an alteration in the liish Re form Bill, so that it might not be necessary for Roman Catho lics to take the qualification.oath at elections as Catholics. Air. TYRELL presented a petition from the inhabitants of the hundred of Stow; against the duty on taxed carts • also a peti tion from certain freeholders of the lib er ty . of Vury St. Ed munds, against the bill for removing the assizes from Bury St. Edmunds to Ipswich. Earl JERMYN presented a similar petition from the corpora tion of Bury St. Edmunds. Mr.'MORRISON presented a petition from the soap manufac turers of Ipswich, praying for a reduction, or the abolition, of the soap duty. He also presented a petition from the clergy and inhabitants of Ipswich, praying the ,house to pass a law putting an end to the practice of selling goods on Sundays. In the opinion of the hon. member, the opening of the shops on Sundays was altogether unnecessary. The Speaker vacated the chair a few .minutes after three o'clock, and retired. At five o'clock the Speaker resumed the chair. Mr. Mimics postponed his motions for a select committee as to parochial registrations, from. March the sth to March the 21st; for leave to bring in a bill to exerlipt places of religious worship from poor-rates ? from March the 12th to Mardi the 29th ; for triennial Parliaments, from -March.the 21st to May the 14*. DISTURBANCES' (IRELAND) SUPPRESSION BILL.-ADJOURNED DEBATE. The order of the day having been moved for the resuming the debate on this bilk, Dr. BA LnwiN (the order of the day having been read) said . that he had entered that house under the persuasion that he should have no occasion to dissent from ministers except on the repeal question, and that, on the contrary, he should' have the pleasure of supporting an administration of which the noble' Chancellor of the Exchequer was .a member. ,But that impres sion had been removed by the measure now 'before them—a measure which was a direct violation of the rights of man, (he did not %use the term " rights of man" in a revolutionary, but 'in a constitutional sense,) and which no liberal ministry could propose. What a lesson would that infamous measure engrave deep in the minds and hearts of the Irish people ! It would teach them that for Irish grievances there was no remedy,—for- Irish complaints no redress, save brute force, as wielded by a court-martial. 11l did such a measure emanate from a man who had brought in the English Reform Bill, because it was necessary to silence the complaints of the people of England. A military tribunal was his mode of silencing the complaints of the people of Ireland. 'He knew the feelings of the Irish peo ple ; and he would undertake to declare, that if this bill passed, they would consider allegiance to the Crown no longer as a matter of moral or political duty, but as a matter of mere ex pediency. Their court-martial system 'might compel the peo ple to pay up their arrears of tithe, but it never could compel them to plough the soil and carry on the harvest. They would only raise the potatoe for their own subsistence, and leave the absentee landlords to cultivate oats, barley, and wheat, in the best way they could. (Ifear, hear.) It waS proposed to give the power of transporting the people to these courts-martial; but he would" ask this simple question,—could they send a whole nation to Botany-bay ? Would the English consent to pay 60 guineas a-man for the transportation of the Irish; and if they did, would not the consequence be the entire destruction of the trade they now carried on with Ireland? (Hear.) He warned the government of the evils which must result from this mea sure. The people would not submit to it; and one of their first acts, they all knew, would be-to rush to the Bank for gold. If the government was determined to oppress the people, they would have to pay the penalty of their oppression. (Hear.) Lord C ASTLEREAGH said, that strong and appalling reasons had been adduced for the proposal of this measure ; and he believed that every person who had heard the speech of the right hon. baronet, the member for Tamworth 'must be con vinced of its necessity. It could not be denied, that so long as those fearful outrages which had prevailed so long in Ireland were allowed to continue, the British constitution could not be said to exist in that unhappy country. (Hear, hear.) He had long been of opinion that much of the evils of Ireland spruns from agitation, (hear, hear,) whether proceeding from the Corm:Exchange or from the Castle. The house should - bear in mind, that the ministers had told them that reform would make the people quiet and peaceable. The contrary - had, however, turned out to be the fact ; for an hon. member, with whom the noble lord opposite had corresponded, as the head.of a celebrated political union, had told the house that the people were not contented, and had no confidence in them. The noble lord concluded by repeating that he should vote, though with sorrow, for the bill before the house. Major FANCOURT could not, consistently with his own feel ings and convictions, give a silent vote on this question, when, in his opinion, a deathblow was levelled at the very principle of constitutional freedom. (near, hear.) But at the same time he begged to assure his Majesty's government that he was actuated by no disposition to join a factious opposition, against them. As far as he could learn, no such opposition existed; at all events, such an opposition against any government he never would condescend to join. It was simply in the charac ter of an independent Euglish member of that house that he stood forward to resist the utter abolition of the spirit of inde pendence in Ireland. But for the Irish members in the last Parliament would the present Parliament be now sitting con stituted as it is ? (Cheers from the Irish members.) - Those who had set their heart on the reform owed muchto Ireland in the persons of 'her representatives. And what had Ireland gained by the reform ? She had gained nothing. She gave unlimited .confidence, unqualified support, and 'for what?—it would appear, to lose the little she had before. (Cheers.) As he would resist it for England, so would he resist it for Ireland. He did so because he wished to guard the constitution of the united empire from invasion; he did so because, on his solemn conviction, he felt that if, instead of making atonement for all the wrongs and'rnisgovernmeiat inflicted by England upon Ire land since the destinies of Ireland had been in her hands, she were to go on increasing in rigour, coercion, and despotic oppression, as was proposed by this bill, such measures must inevitably one day fall on herself with terrible retribution, unless, in addition to man's oblivion of humanity, Heaven itself should have forgotten to be just. (Loud'cheers froth the Opposition benches.) Colonel CHICiIESTER said that, though he was ass sincerely attached as his hon. and gallant friend to the principles of ra tional liberty; he differed widely from him on the present ques tion. None of the speakers on the other side of the house had dared as yet to cqnt;avert the statements made by the noble lord and the right hon. secretary below ,him. (Loud cries of hear, fmol the opposition.) Which of the gentlemen who now cheered so loudly had dared to deny that the murders of which they had recounted' ,so frightful a list had been committed ? (Hears, from the niiiaistehal benches.) He repeated .that he was as great a friend as his hon. and. gallant colleague to the liberty of the subject; and to preserve that liberty in•unim paired vigour he'was now prepared to vote for the first reading of this bill. 'lid thought that the bill was necessary for the,pa cification of Ireland—thatdeluded, misguided, and misgoverned country. He repeated that the evils produced'by agitation in. Ireland were so terrifies as to j ustify him and other friends of li berty in exclaiming, in the language of the poet, " That, half a patriot, half a coward grown, I fly from petty tyrants to the thwne." 'He concluded by. expressitig, a hope that the, passing of this measure would restore Ireland to a proper state, of feeling,, and would put an end to the reign.of terror, which for some months had been prevailing in that country. Sir H. BATASPN said, that there were some, gentlemen in that house who. arrogated to themselves the title of the representa tives of Ireland, and who in that character aspired to dictate to the people of Ireland the sentiments by which they . ought to be influenced. Now, : he took upon himself to assert, in opposition to those gentlemen, that All the property, intelligence, and mo ral worth in . ulster was in favour of the proposition for in trusting ministers with.strong, powers to put an end to the hor rible state of things now .existing in Ireland. (Hear, hear.) He should vote for, the ant reading of, this bill, as be admitted the necessity for, its enactment, and approved of the principle applied to meet it. As to the, details of the bill, he should wait till they were. under the consideration of the house before he gave an opinion ,upon them. ,He considered Ireland to be in the situation of a ,vessel which had run upon the, reeks. He would not stay to inquire whether the pilot had,acted.wisely or not in running the Nesselnpon the rocks, but he wotild strain every nerve W save the yessel.from destruction, tly cutting away her nia.sts, and throwing her cargo overboard. (Laughter from the opposition, benches.) In the course of this, debate he had heard a great_deal about the, liberty of the subject, and the ty ranny tliatwio going to be exercised in Ireland. Now, it was to, get rid of _the most odious tyranny.which had ever existed, that i lia was prepared to intrust strong measures, to the govern ment of Ireland.. Ireland was at present in the state of a ma niac, andyou, rapt put a strait-waistcoat upon . her to rest o re her to sanity. He believed that many of the representatives of that country came to that house not as freemen, but as sl aves . (Cries of c' Hear" and ``No.") They were the representatives of'the mob (outcry),- r :they were the representatives of a bi goted priesthood. Mr. FINN rose to order. In the whole course of his life he had never in any political assembly heard ,such imputations as those which the hon. baronet, with singular bad taste, had just cast upon the people of Ireland, upon its priesthood. The SPEAKER .iutimated•that the hon. member must draw a distinctionbetween.what he considered to be matter of good taste and _what -the house considered to be. matter of order. (Hear, hear.) Sir IL. BATZSON said that, in the observations which he had just offered to.the house,.he had no intention to offer offence to any man. He had onlysupposed the case of members having taken pledges to.support certain measures in the full knowledge that, if they had- refused such pledges, their return would ha v e been impossible. Those pledges had been framed by the mob leaders, and if hon, gontlemen would identify themselves with such persons, it.was a misfortune of which. they must some ; times be compelled to hear. He repeated that the language ! which he had just used was but a faint expressi on o f th e senti ments which were entertained by his large and intelligent con stituency. (Hear, hear.) Mr. 'BARnON rose, as he said, under considerable excite ment, to declare that 'a more unwarranted imputation bad never been cast upon the•merabers for Ireland than that which had fallen front the dips of the hon. baronet. (Opposition cheers.) He threw that imputation back upon the hon. baronet with' the utmost disgust. (Hear, hear.) He told the hon. baronet that he had been sent to this reformed Parliament by his constituents to represent their feelings honestly and intrepidly. They knew his opinions on the question of repeal, and that he had not taken them up to serve the fleeting purpose of the hour. They ori g i na t e d in the feeling that Irish interests were not sufficiently attended to in that house; but-he was most J ~ •••••• • • , A • \S\ ) 1 • •4,, ai4ions to be convinced that those opinions were Let ministers but convince him of that by their act would find in him one of their strongest supporters no enmity to them .persopally. He had been bred principles, and had learnt his politics in the school the liberal Whigs. In his conscience he believed measure passed, it would lead to a separation betwe , countries. It would disgust the people of Ireland, fidence in the measures of this Parliament would be destroyed by it. He had in his possession petitions ject from persons of all aaises and all parties, who the measure as uncalled for. Mr. C HAPMAN said that he, and many other members who were unattached to any party, were this bill in a very painful situation. In his opinion ceded by a very injudicious address, and was introdt house in a most: unfortunate manner. He felt the gri in being obliged to oppose this bill, but he should be those unhappy wretches in Ireland, guilty as they wet culpable acts, should entertain the shadow of a shade 0 sibility of a notion (a laugh) that they were unjustly ant, treated. He complained of the attack made by the T baronet the member for Tamworth on the Irish landl o , denied that they oppressed the peasantry. The rig' baronet relied upon the circumstance of land prod, higher rent in proportion to the produce in Ireland ' l O England, and argued that the fact proved the exactionso landlords; but they were entitled to receive more rep English landowners, seeing that farmers in Ireland r , ,expend capital on the soil, and that the wages of laboo lower than in this country. In conclusion, the hon. Si ,. 0 observed, that if a single case of intimidation of a jur°'• o l be established he should not object to the bill for chaeg l venue. • 1 11 Mr. LAMBERT regretted that the speech of the 14 0 Secretary for Ireland, able as it undoubtedly was la 41 respects, depended so much on personal invective for it s ij io and did not embrace more statesmanlike tiews of the s a t e" discussed. That the speech contained a triumphant stamp of crime he freely admitted, but regretted that the e:tr l i was unaccompanied by any promise of redress of grie f f el and that the right hon. secretary held out noprospect °f for suffering, or reparation for centuries of misrule. .0, 1 Mr. E. 1. ENNAISIT supported the measure, and deser& t ot : present state of Ireland as being unexampled in the 1 10 civilized society. Murderers and marauders prowled I ,l' the country by night and by day, unrivalled in boldaV atrocity, except, perhaps, by the brigands of Calabria 1 j , ) 1 4 kelphts of Albania. Nothing could exceed the agarc ' t ij outrage that prevailed: property was insecure,—hue disregarded—the links that bound society together if severed,—social order was annihilated, and society ls o ff A of dissolution. There was neither remedy for injury ', 1 ,0 " 1 tection against wrong,—the authority of the governo' b jec ti l lo superseded by a power superior to the law. What an l o s, o derision was a government when a single individual coulu f st' to do that which the government, the law, and the cons ,, C F I supported by all the civil and military force, had failed `l,icbtl He was the friend of liberty, but it was of that liberty tc,f/ Burke said, was not only co-existent with good order, be o f could not exist without it. He voted for the prineli'l e o o , l bill, reserving to himself the privilege of discussing , t,, s io l"„, hereafter, because he thought that a measure of the 'a r absolutely necessary to restore peace, tranquillity, a s 0 order in Ireland. Lord DUNCANNON said, that after what had fallen f r f", hon. and learned member for Tipperary (Mr. Shiel) 01l 3 ,,, tl 4 ` . night, he felt himself bound, in justice to himself, and ' hol with whom he acted, to address a few observations to the,A That hon-member had asked him (Lord Duncannee),V could support this bill, and also whether he could state ' il 0 increase of crime in the county of Carlow had been sQ f ii) render such a bill necessary there? Now, he was readmits' that he felt it his duty to give his support—his relue + , 0, port—to the present bill; and also that he could stV e a: the increase of crime in the county of Carlow bad to great, as would appear from the official return Inou e siS I e since he had been appointed Lord-Lieutenant of that il ll o as to justify and render absolutely necessa r y the s' t o, tion of such a measure there. It would afford timed, ',; dress those grievances under which the public suffer o f which had been promised co be redressed by every go ve r l i i in Ireland since he had a seat in that house. Maui, s i , tro subjects had been brought before the house by his rig", j friend, but unless there was an abolition of the tithe re f i , (hear, hear,) he never hoped to see tranquillity in,' o tl) and though the difficulty might be great, he was confio e fo r Parliament must turn its attention to some provision o r poor. (Hear, hear.) Air. WARD contended that the merits of the questi9i not been discussed on their proper grounds, and that th e oli fry of debaters (amongst whom he reckoned himself) t oo ercised their ingenuity in involving in obscurity a suiV e o r which the right hon. Secretary for Ireland had shed a powering flood of light. Captain BAYNTUN expressed his beli e f that miserYf r ilj eii: verty,were the cause of the crime which prevailed in c lif, If ministers wished to put an end to p o liti ca l ag it a tion,,V; they not promote remedial measur es , by w hi c h they s'' ° , tf move the cause of agitation ? The present measure 0 ,0 nical and uncalled for, and he begged to remind the irl the words which Lord Chatham made use of under near] 'bolo, lar circumstances :—" It is true that violence prevall s o ;o r j man can persuade me that there is not liberty on the, i e ol , and tyranny on the other." (Hear.) The hon. ao - `,,,cii i i member for. Leeds had asked " what liberties Ireland u,,, - ''', deprived of ?" and the right hon. Secretary had said i vhd the government must be feared before it was loved." 'be heard such language fall from them, he could hardly I, (1 ) i that they were the same persons who used to declaim s 0 ) in favour of liberty when the Reform Bill was under 0 0 6 tion. Their new ally, the right hon. member for 'R. fj had very consistently advocated upon this occasion tP" e f line of policy which he pursued whilst in office, but tA member for I)evonshire could not lay claim to an ecia,,, of consistency in the part which be was acting. Pi i take the liberty to read to the house an extract frote..l4 published by the noble lord on the subject of the Bri, t ;ril stitution, in which he had expressed his deliberate anafest opinions. The hon. member read the extract, which s' os il " the House of Commons were too .prone to pass reed 0 d, coercion at the request of a ministry." He objeetc o 4if principle of the present measure, and therefore he t, V enter into any observations with respect to its detal-w o l i sl sters had made out no case to justify the passing of sa t yr/ He would vote against it, because it was opposed to o teg ,f ciple of benevolence and justice, and utterly at vatia _ 44 religion and humanity. . • 14 0 7:k Mr. O'DWYER said, that he heard so many intli c to,' ,; disapprobation expressed when any hon. member rog,,tri, against the bill, that he felt almost inclined to ni os o l r' journment of the debate. He would, if the house t'' o Y',ll' i him a hearing, endeavour to demonstrate to the rig>t ` tl ,s% ronet, the member for Tamworth, that the a m e nd ~ite ~I t`r d had been moved by the right hon. m em b er f or LV e ct;tiiS; not so silly a • thing as he imagined it t o b e . Th e 014 le etßi amendment was to give the house an opportunity' I a l e A , from the assizes, which, were now going on in Irelan ie ls t A the statements which had been made by ministers je a 1:0 the condition of that country were or were not foue 0 i t i t It was important that the house should know that', i itis- o '4l the assizes had as yet gone, every allegation made 1 )%v 0r 5 -lit had been directly negatived. The charge of e‘ c; which had yet been received stated that enforced-'- - 1 31 existing law was sufficient to meet the exigency of occasion. Ho would take the liberty of stating a which he hoped that those hon. members, who we' cheer the mere declamation which proceeded from side of the house, would attend to. l'he hon. gao l referred to the charges of Mr. Justice Jebb, at the 9 Chief Justice Doherty, Mr. Justice Moore, a nd te Bushe, to show that Ireland was iu a comparative b 6 - 1 cjuillity ; and also read a long letter, add res sed to the Catholic Primate of Ireland, and concluded b that he could not contemplat e th e present measure s ` strongest feelings of i n di gna ti on , f ee li ngs eXe" n l the most powerful a gen t s —th e l ove h e b ore the C O gave him birth. . el Mr. T. Arrwoon move d t h e f urt h er a dj ou rnment (Loud cries of " No, no," and " Adjourn. ') furthe r The SPEAKER having put the question on the fur of the debate, nuit , Lord ALTBORP rose, and observed, that lie w" "'e e wa s nthi even gehret night. lie many gentlemen who still had to addrer .--- j question, and therefore it was not likely, the the hon. lc a ile n os d we unless a full understanding were come to that the ld a e s a under rned m tomorrows e o m m b e apprehension, earnd( ihr.eLesiiford however,ara,:ti,iherbirasaddress dogs' tel d t i ie h en a tic : l , closed to-morrow. f the noble lk Mr. O'Cows ELI. thought the proposition 0 „,,,,-..-1 Boilable. But this inconvenience was likely to occ ur ' be protracted. As far, however, as regarde red in the noble lord's view. ttent i ' that some little a might take place in the listening, and by tll d at h ln im e g a e n if s , t b li v e - Mr. RUTHVEN expressed a hope _ paid to the speeches of the Irish iiimbers. The debate was then adjourned t i l l to-morrow. The house adjourned at one o'clock. i' TUESDAY. h t , c f ' lock, the hosts t,,, The gallery was not opened till five o c . froMmr.thAersrthWt°o°tDheP°lB4ttPh°innedst. his motion, on the been occupied from its meeting till that hour distress i n balle IP littt:lfteat 14 :7 17 : sileseo ! sit ' : ( 1 0:6nui b ugct o :a r pt o 11. 1 1toght ti t Itti g conversation o q bnpei isetiwnits poi petitions. i k ta p o i f ac t e h re e s C p a e m eti a n rv g e notwithstanding t t e a fm n f d eo i nr t i t s g thewe (paned m k ts o h t at u ct ka ted .7.. It appeared that but 64 ttions is ii the Sneaker's list, which, at the prese it, in f r 0 no other petitions in the meantime t Ted,eti.aPpeared that but 6 or 7 petitions per de l i nile gonte 40 new ones were daily cute: ' l l ru i j o at *aB universally ascribed to the habit on Needy " ra• Members iidulged on presenting tstl46.lil°?eulots°llsiselYta:w.assaibdrethvietYd" elay would opera itkhiVgainst the people of Ireland, who were PfdePietitinn against the coertive measures sse ,snavms, Mr. R. WAsow, and Mr. LE , kle 1),4,, 4 ,iety of hon. members confining thems lo I , f, 2 0 1e to the leading facts of the petitions jut tdtif4 ()et.uPY the least possible time in irrele it i . ,:,, knear, hear.) ;' tsstribil`kuihErr, thought the best remedy would 1 'Pe4l, 6 read aloud distinctly and unhurriedly il l , tr eothMeht oh the part of the presenter. ;, 74 4et fat b i f';, , , R , vra ' t kL a tru , sted that the discussion wi ki n ,, hon. members to a sense of th : I' l ,kt d;,,,_. a tillg the public business_, of their exec( , nieh '" r .etiort in respect to the harangues and i thLornitions were at present usually introduce Ic e iabou:HtßY Obtained leave to bring in a . lx ,'ldo t , • 6 f children in the mills and factories Nit, the discussion to take place on the fi i i ; l ttl lk r _ia : ; i ted' 7 e bin having been in the meantime 1, 4 the e. of management dleaveto e b f n t ' b n it kiortf,, Motion of M. O'CONNELL the order e - ri e°l-l O u i sf tt E e cbtaine k 4 bruletihieo_natnes of the members who were ale bring S in ea a m b e il n l ' f s o ll r M N. sup d , R ,_abe was discharged. ih'4 th ''SION OF DISTURBANCES (IRELAND `, Ai tk , iraotion of Mr. LEFROY, the order of th fklit.yne debat e on the above bill was read. i the s e -f,;-'Ek'soy said that he felt it his duty to all 1// to isi.tr°llg observations which had last nig: p e 'e, etit,,,°-„nourable member for Drogheda (M 1 la' ba s a ? -Paton Stnith. The hon. member had tiplidrel.that the learned baron, in the dischargi ' hre to si ng a grand jury, did not hesitate to sae 1 . N I f , an antithesis. He 'had been acquainted wit ,a, or A n ,' pout , hi CYear,s and could honestly declare that di ' tii,t; and bench a more constitutional, humane b; o le -" s utterly . at a loss to imagine h h 43 th f i 'i t ed a. rnaote against him by the . hon. of i a 0,4 (rtek : il ea : 1 117, 4 eei _a c o o fb u proceedrroouno ul%r.as iremarkable f e r om hon. n my member 0 r p m e b r hise so r u ffoa m rs t i D t d b i ' its ore s of the . learned baron's knowledge e ir , Z t hat s h -e ' a n imputation it was, perhaps, only tll - ' l ' th -e was the first judge who had been ca ''' y lti l i, e question whether passive resistance was 4 tql,liti c i 'l3l , ; l ila in favour of its illegality had bee 9 tthAct, - . .•4 4 . 'es who had since turned their atte ";' , ~i' l4 : .l l4 e t v i i - t t ah ' s e : : t o d; ° e:e b l i Y v e e 5 teed h a iti, het opinion probably was the cause of r d fr - ,NI el,'„,Pee° passed upon him. Now, with r ' t , 1 , „,' the -. ° l 'e the house, he admitted that it was L h ' 41.,,Nnti th constitution which could only be defer t I",iii 4at. the ordina'ry law was insufficient to t '' tr*aad: INtrage, terror, and intimidation, which b le t i tit ttta' t a PPeared to him that no reasonable IY iilif t kt en a f !cl that crime prevailed in Ireland to eilf t :so 4 , 5 and that a conspiracy existed, whose o ' t „'%. 4 de feat the law. The real ob j ect of those '„ uk u l ,; ecl ''ess Of griev . ances before measures w ; ofdfils.,,i'seiititry to tranquillity,—who declared t ;t:i't , e , i tw o i c e en misgoverned by England, was _ . h ~gili 'd 'ais ~ I.ngeloms • and while the spirit of 'dist j. toiled; oUld be peaceful or prosperous. Let n but by spiritual ag 19h7....eti0a`%. Nothing could content them bu s ltila.''t,iv e ~, ,f the established church and the re 1-: ebe themselves iti e l a l e i. b t i i e t h v e ee i t d r ea y ee t e hr wt l il g lel l '`"s C ili °°. (Hear.) He concluded by sta it el }:;eitig convinced of the necessity of th hri . 4 ,tay `Z 4 sht it forward, they would have been d' Plitt, R'll i', 'ell they owed to their sovereign; a '0 thltierifgat,sietca,,,,,saierweda.raredn, uth,eytbaelylowweeuld would be b t e o w b e e e f t r ie it g ter i •Nob, 4 ' 4 1 / 2 , „'"well to the state. ~4 11 h- `4; el - i "•,!„N declared his determined hostility i '-?t4. 1 , i- gati s t h ' - 's the existence of Whitefeet outrag , 1 St„'"ata i ," ; c't . th British constitution and the r i ( ,%‘ et t 'iliPt11)1.at:he:411:::: the a o i t' d in th h a is t . as op a rn- n io l n r; a sh il m r a o n pe , r it -in e cot od t lite 0 eoo),, a stify it. It was not, lie assured the hot ri ' / 4 4*ktl i ' it t 'a lu til:i ° re . ell the le h ° n u e :: e : s f i o t y r h w e h a i c d h m i e t x t e i st d e : d t h f a o t r s s t u er d i qt e „t sh,:',`",eration that he had 'Made upthis rub i N t ,7, 1 c1t," 44 1 itre on 'this occasion. He had do l' s ee ki tZe'r e t. - ' e l . _ ,if he could conscientiously oppose ps ? „"Y, o , e ,Lea on it 'the more convinced Was 'he , ,lretr Q ", i ° l l ii',,l•lheiteleto rettore traquillity,ut for t , ~,, e )re 'he - ' 4 , Property in Ireland. (Hear, hear. i k l h"° a,lecessity lie was under of supporting ilittZfos..p,': was aware that an hun. friend of h. Nrin A,, — .i t autgb,•hatl yesterday presented a pc ,1 4 a ‘` ikehruhst it. The petition was signed by m • k 'tek l - i & 01,,,a'sd) warmest frietids. This 'he latnerr in t ot e of" li d - been misled dn the subject by th N t 'uh t s,ll,na.tion as to its nature and objeet. 'l3 Lati 4 i, l 4 all o „,' ''',"° question was one of too great -imp I :4'4;erat,,., 'Mosel!" to be influenced do it by .any \ lki‘, ; ' l . l t r , L ,„ ° '• This had been condemned as aco li'st at`a'aro; but eland ry and . co it,t,_,l:ll,terdi P",esent in I, ( which called for this e \;‘,ait,,l4,l,.,,t,iskt,,tLi,tiav,rAnahlinedho'rhdeiscetated to men what laws they eh t',, °, ,tola / - n - 8 t heY Should not obey? Was it not tic ,1 5 t t '-`,asure should be adopted for the securit 1:il l', 1 11 t1 1 i : (;\ , t 4 : 3 h t, e eh t pwr d e vs e w e er e : r e iapw approve s r ha e p r,e) s t. inclinedi part r tu t ot of foebtrehyitsbtall t s ,,l'e Ili ) Proper that a stronger safeguard should k h k %A il o' the details which he thought might (00 age. (Hear, hear.) He alluded part: o 'ltli, t Native to courts-martials (hear, hear), b fN4i,%.‘,., strong prejudice existed against such "N i Vt• 6.11 . Itu t e d i did nv elireeu. not o f( ilti wishieoesret,obme militaryatirk. make the t h cl e of u m ereth e y a - , 7 45 .. " si'l ly adopt it ; but if no such alteration salr e Quid feel himself bound to give his supi oi l (ft , I ft la t as e t 4PE said the magistrates of Queen's Co r l, a ree t n'‘easions, been attacked in such an 'lair § 4l:l d - 1, ci° - j ti l t ': would not be doing his duty it' he did ) h at t it t er '1, 44 them, to show the real state of th ;d %the : e unties. He could many 4 )1,1, i: 1 , 0 11 1 1 4 h a e t i i,. ,,',l til , e it iti: i t i t w w as ith p r r e a s e p t e is c e t d to to t w h il is rd b s il i, L ,ree ll ( ee . - ' • -e varse. He knew agentleman who il, which occupied him two days. T 1 t ur f , Preparing to cut down his grass, L , the "tomained uncut until 0( I t° the same individual fell into a dra '.." °warty labourers to help him out; at the atiimal perished. The report o ,one special commission had done mu( 4 1.0 g °lra visit' to: his brother, he lean , b _ .f ;'e ' , . i ~ ._ a n ci i ni , , gi ' , : e at, . . . t: w en o ce .tds t e l loh a itu, d ud s tdip r oot ised a pu.a t o r sae c otg .ru t il ht i rti - Itt n hiviotth,e g otilicii lreland iihn make ie6diutrll.vn a . .11,ib , igee i sll l eu7l. three , ,),w ' vf W o t at h e thye e e elt y n k ah s ir ee r dd e o a cg f owi t t u rn, non : t 1 ith ,A w tate man, called du , the . assassins to say h le 1 „ ; st atements,' ite nee% not - say , how ti tt ,elib e ieleesn t ,t e . t da : 6 'a ;l n i.o - ystr ‘ h u , man , bein,r whatever? ttee for s trengthenitti,r the law had -bee , ' l a t ' d , w ,,,?uki 'have had a beneficial effect * -- s.:ei ltlY chsraged for the worse, ant much' mischief. llsottr;lear.) Wishinl tance.?Rnlear, hear.) :the to e n j ° Y,.peaPe•lrrid ' tranquillity 1 itli ti f "P all the atrOeities Nvhichgif'uh:tete system was put down i 1 1 n. e ie, gg s hl s .hi et ritt t r h o; e ei 111 tinhter .es.ainciel tire,. connection eodipacttftehav,eetsbheesoieno3tdti.ttbhenaridielarues:g, aeta t b pnbsoi c colouringim uc it. l u th st r a th s i t e e t i n a igb d s re i or n ur v ine e ds s calculated) o e ola d f m t u 1 inrmgsitnogne 'of colouring which di , sus sendinj this %low at the liberties itt:hotkaetdrtelli,:esa:iiarintueh;eittrlerot.exoaed,fpdshuifdrt,nt.i,oerithgrtorstuaehh:eina r ti,e, pi # k, je, ,re t re a :qd 1 1 6 ) : 01,414°.. till'. a O s 'Moil 1 4 Y 1 4 ti1 1 4 iti do '. o l'rei! Itl4e Lttp that dienla .01 u 1 (1 ek ' and 'ilare I L A 14%1 NOgit, statere t i 6 titZ it Drev, st ate (:, ', 1,51 p 4e% ti , •‘oei,, ~;g Ns ~ I I „ ti, in b! ° . ,%4„'.11t t o) , °. s Witil yrhqik d, 7 3 ° ,bY Vi e , )! Itll4 t:'00, a N i )1113") .0 1 Ve 44k41441' ,f the de tt4;l,4t4ll4:vatiti r ad:l°u°' '4lll4ll4lvittlltifili to Avr.3repoi , i% 1 4 " , botoe.- • , gitiatbp ( 'Lila elo.lo itt 6f..q.a "tt a .t it Ill* li Ntlt,.g°, dined tto teat, vO5B house 11004 iir, tUritri bate $ l3 ev•• , Of m ~, (414 IVish. lord qttii4; 4,•04 ti, 111 —interrtatoir, .4.`,,41 it i at t debate ,e, i .i. 1 7 s e s (1( fully co , , jils. . q his ta 7 11 , 11 4%iT ition n 315) tjktti!ks, e 0, ril:ti lersr7.i. of the eo' s tlie l 4 11 Irl k Y htre e ( fitt l , le d ' , (l dr;