The Sun. — London, England, 1817-05-10 00:00:00

tv!:tike jullgritent ott,Klit t 4 be' tvit,l I,i, not' slitliCient confidence ill. watt!:!, reqnire sonteibilig mote t.o. gilii ," I , r reace,, and cat ry tile treasure. — :lii (lone before, and be shOuld do so : Those Gentlenten, Who were foi doing „lt ollovotild vol e for going lot(*) a Com- . t wdi only those who • thought thiiN's 'I" ~ I s tliey are who could ohject to go iimi ticl,er placed th e question on the , '' l r 4 " right ; he tvonhi go lart,ler, mud il l'tch which teas Protestant, and our' :identical; still the encroachment that matte o n the penal' taws affecting tile :, stood inaiongst the brighteSt tlchis Ye- , 1 Ille present lteign. No (huger Itall'l 'mil uo (fang:- tennl,l al ise ' from :heat. : er 1 ) ,. Hopi - du:n(l,Al arosetront ioternal', Ntiolial di , seations, 'frtutt a sense ot trivAtion, ()priming upon an irritated. ' Bolcoirip taolie ation would produce a gram!' 1 ," the great class, o f hi s M a j es ty' s subjects, it would put an Cod to irr egularities, :rad coMpose the jarr-. 'or society in the neighbouring king 'cl)acinded with expressing a bope that `'"0,141 agtve to go into the COmtnittee. '. B BATHURST spoke against 'ttfe tno tuatl ground had yet been atntyti for arguments luau ticei t urged against it, ' Ilene liad yet been contradit3ol by ' B `;,.ltilig• The House was called upon LOtutuitte e , there to disenss that !Pn already, discussed, and against Ilse had already soolten protiollu're'l I" point of fact, to accede to the Committee would be to give tip ' es i t ilnt ; and the H ou s e m ight be as t 1 " fait ly called upon to concede the c o '"lt arty sec ur i t y ; for if 'they %vent unitittee, the only' choice would be • Veto and the domestic'noinination. 'Ott e xtr , tordittary assumptions iii the : 4 14 4 bcCasion %vas, that things were '" bleb it state that SVllie cilaug e (1111,,t the, L iws respecting' the Itoniati Ca "' his own part he denied this ,iii Into Iclllitt unless the House wras Pre 'erturn .the fundaitiental principles of Anil : 1), to accede to the concessions '4llHpflsSible: .144EAC11 Stud, that hi rising; to ad-1 rise tipno the . question Wetore it, he fr : bi !viiihdrrassnie n t; It was . 1 'I"v"; ' '", s "leratiot i of which he apPt'""eite,". 1! .; 111 . r g o tiOg as l ie did front sinbe of 1)1 1.1 "Int ; diir er i n coiCient.iouttly, as " 1 ` I they tnaintaine.l oinnions °p i p,- ," .I . ll aetnated h v an imperious setae „ 4 “1: it was not, his intention Cu . "e‘V arguments itiAttppoll or t lit glie'.lt I t' which this question liwyt (I, 0 :1,1 ,,. i • 41 /Y P.M? how any new groundi e . 0 . 1 -11 4 ,9110tt of i t . fie should thell • tine ()ha t' , val j ulls , w it hill fr verY i : t.. restricting himself altnt'sr e . c " 1 '* ll '' t confider I . of the arguments th at i 41 ,.._ . ~ .it toil t The 'loose !Oli t itTti dganist the motion. , , i ,.. ,1 N: 8 v : 1 to by an Honotirable "Alentoer ~ ..• I t tlat . s's to put an en d a t once to the pow 'Nl ' 14 4 o f t ; .. • ear after year, ~,,, , Irx t, ., it, question, y 1 t vele the ~,,, i tl , 4 iillig both parties. It t iii S _u rt 4 l' t it 4l ° : l Y , ! effect v. , aS irritatioro—it the 4 T 11, ti •'%/ri ti ls•ti In its constitution, its religious i, 11.4 6 11 ) rind ; is 1,1%., , 5, then certainly it ' l l ( 4 t'l, lk b l C3sh ig . t . O put au ,end to the ROM"' : , 1 4 1 t ,,,, : i iih,l ect , and that Parliament should I. 4l l44 4i t i t ` t l( ''t in the place which it occupiet . l , at ii.,trti l ,' Hitt if, on the contrary, the dat .. l O i 't:i, l " l ,' l ttinary, and the advantage's real ; It tti' l ; E l - hung ,'bout the empire, eotbar: ; " 1 • - i til ii: dill deforming it, then certainly it ., ti,'t , wi, / , q the. house Co •,conslifet . tilt, If t , i il i,„'" every diffi en ! t y that attended it.— , eiitn"til tuany ' appeals to the authority Li 10.., 'tll . . i?„ . 1 ,-”r irthi . 4-en to that Issue Ile did not hesi titie *. the side:which lie sustained. , Let ,li`litl t e c li t it* eye ,back- to the statesmen NHilt.4 it,'"latiy•that are Levi no,. more,. who . Ni, , lli t i t , 4 9Port of this question thelyn-, ',. ll t(ri lit, ~,4 1" 1 1f 3, and their virtues. liri . is -ti°!' ( itl t ,,' e atott for going into a ,Committee ? . “,,,,i t "iii,:tinth i ,, 1 to their minds the. temper 01' the i t ll f or : 1111 .1jept i w h en , t b e Bill was hrought N ot tth ls to'vr.Seision.... i ..the tone respecting t tr. b "f ti 6 . lll. "atie tlie 'louse of Lot dJ,--tne ii # ,,..01 "' I ?noitnunity It t large, and the fa)! It t 'ivii„ it ttßiitetiril reason- - -tben to weigh the 4 4 1 1 11. 4 'ld been cu i - ed to . exist, and if K , 1,.. , (i ii. n . . ;yO . B .. i tb t llis i HStilerable r,r imagtourY,:t° e . n " Mili k. 4l 4 1 uieef nurestrained by the thfficuit les • I.l lt . 'tthiitiotl it, an d „ Li c h h e had no doubt !tti l l : 4 4i 1 „ 0 ) removed. it was dangerous to keep I : ,4, 1 , ,o r t cif - .It' y 8 . any great quest i on, but 81.(19:t 1 nit, o tvh, „,4p 41 1 ,5 t , ti. its in . this instance, religion itv I'm ti 1 with i t 30 • fuse i nto it a ti l l' t) ,tia o f hit as to ii . ) ',4 14 ',lit tortiess 'anti inflammation.- 4 11 1, 4 b (n t i l l s ovv ilr he ag ree d with his Hon I. eri, vt. _ was the (piettiott to be set . at . ,Itr i ., 'P0, 40 70(11 ( 1 ag e ,,, e with his . Hun. Friend ) c ' t , th e ~, : li tat the'question ,Cotll4- be laid, 4 lii't! vv oi r, r `netrde of ex chiSIOIL---(11e 8 r. 1,, ,, ii, t „ i"I nut urge the exathple of other Itt, t rlto , -Preettle f - . .fas it 1. lo i , 1 11, 1111 , ilt or ours, governed t,,'11 tile "" Conct f itt tion ; bat he would 'lt 'Y Kilet7 . ' • . , 4 tv tip kv f Ce ot other countries, to suety ii h t p t ef t w i ihr PH • 1 Power. fir t 1 ,14 ' t lt 1,,, t ~ eSpeet to the a t,s 441 si„, )t, over the actual st a re of Eli.; C. l' e eN vt i, that ftome . .had no longer the . I' v {y 1 ,' , 14, I LI . .!'e WiliCh 'she formerly abused.— , :tlit t :" kki t ,, p ', l l4- i ht very different days. In the t itltt , 1 t. In tlit:lia"a! rtligiou ' baffled a leading' 4. ',,` '' 4 C(' nt. R. Treat v for the establishment ,‘tat t cear n -. . . il, i, s ,, pe, rel t ,. ton n e y e e was the V. i'srt , it ,- "Iklott f , b . 1-Tp.r. II ' "Hhs t4i 1. or h htomen,f--(...--, ''l I h , ll -h, • 1( laW the balanced state of the ~.,1 " N till r t -Y "!weell Protestant and Catholic i.i, t itt ti,, t i;! ( 1110 w . 11 ibert e o f religion as alloft,- it:leiii.ol:,:"l,iough the s' note - conflicts of in- N i 1 1 ,4. e .:K- , zu,es and Cluirell ;Patronage In c 11 1 4 'it there act in ' Ireland'. fie - dill /lot I N Ri ll In 1:11 1 .„,, ~ , . 'lt 1.,. `' , " 11 111e, DM only to prove . that t.. .-,- , ttr . 0 ,,, . . • . , • lb ....,..I 1 1 4 A, 1 1,4 i tS entertained of the rapai N 6 lits , ) , . }Suit the folly of the -Catho lii Nth. ( !4 'li Rd 1•1 4( -,, t r ot -- :prevented th e wis t lpm of 1 4 1 . h, the ' liberality -of the Pro r'46l..alrit, testOring. thein-before, this flaY ~.. ieVailik R tilt' Mitt: V : tit CatiStittition. lit 1 / Litnt. ktriend {tiflr. 14. kMister} -~.,; upon the clearness„of hisvicws, brit considered his ideas of ultromontane policyts,wholly citiarrt real. This MI3 Wtt lodger the' pinky bi - the. Cont of Boine. The animosity. arising front relt i tinn, poisoned, even: society itylreistail,. was hr, his , view an argioneot for, not against the motion. The measure in view would give Mild temperand in revual repose - ; - and 'this .. wits' his l- Motive -- general security‘ tranqstillity, and strength of the enipire, in supporting it, not frouLany view of gratifying die Catholici. Ire lea's 'confident the narrow system of LOw by tvh cb 'lreland waS verned could never he the basis of a per nimielit mode orgOverifing. Ile Would Ict in the Calliolic Peers and Catholic. Gentlemen, and. associate .t he State as-far as it could properly be one hi in and with their church, tor the doitlAa Purn,),e of 'giving them - power of telling truths with effcet to the great hotly- of t hat: Catholic people. , lie believed there was not a ,strong repugnance in ,Ireland to the measure with securities. . But even if it were so,be Would pass the Bill, trusting 1 - 9 the fruits it must ultimately produce. lie was confident that at Route there would be no obstacle to the securities required. They had been givenHo' other countries, hod directly sanctioned - c.r' Ca thedra .by Monseignor Quarautotti, in a docu ment of the highest authority, though hide, cently criticised ni Ireland. Ot this there was what might be deemed a coulirmatiou by the Pope himself, in a documeot signed by Cardi nal Litre. r It was mitortunwe that persoos so.re spectable; and to his knoktledge of tried loyalty, should bend before popular folly, Hod disguise Iwhat they Must know to beJlicit tatth—what they hall declared to be• such in 1799. 11 Parliament enacted and Rome sanctioned the arrangement of securities., then he thought there would be no longer any difficulty. The measure would go on as freely in its operation as a Turnpike Bill. Ile .wished, however, that the Catholics should con fide-in the State as in other countries ; and until that confidence appeared, be must observe, that be satv'symptoms of its not being yet the time to grant their claims. lie must deprecate domestic nomination, which would cud iu contest and cabal with all the.abuses of democratic electionering in clerical,rnatters. lt was most unfortunate that the word Veto got into use. A name does much in tiny coontry. It could produce the most prodi gious effects ; cover over with r idieule or repro bation what was in itself, most propel' ill his Own country. . wouhl, however, allow au interval of time. Parliament. should express its Nine one qtsivocally, and then tile Pope should be applied to. Ile should support the Motion on the same • principle, which inioced Join to support the UniOn, viz. to take Ireland out of,* operaiitio of. garrison . principles, Hod govern he r b y the British Constitution. He .saw no danger Of a Popish Parliament limy. Tilers; was !Mich more probability that false Protestants should south and ponder the prj.k , lires of the Catholic •Electors, than that the sou ut Lord kenmore do so: lie would place the Protesiaut and the Cathidie side by side, to 1 4 14, as in war, the id . the Constitution; and learn to know each other by their common loyalty and zeal. , This was Ilia o pinion—his earnest appeal, to dystroy the spirit of turbideoce and bigotry, trod provide alike for our 1 1a:ion:A honour amt. repose, by iiieolporatinig the Cat a)lics with the Constiitition.r--,(Limid and. long con'ioncd cheering.) Mr. VVEsselt acid burl CASTLEAEAOU e3t plainett. • Mr. Put., even ;At the risk of being deemed pre somptuons, must oppose the .arguments of Isis Noble Friend. What was to be ~done in this Committee? what had beets done in the Commit tee Of 1813 ? The result then was, a ferment among - the Catholics ; and he saw no reason not ( o r sonposing that the sa me contetrience follow. ,so n He-wonld al peal to the opinioo of the Prelatestisemselves,'wno declared they. could not agree with those .s,evorities without incurring the grievous trio of schism. . But .woold the Pope consent ? was every. reason,. ,to think Litta declined to Doctor ,Poyn7 ter that the Begium - Exequatur could not he granted. 11 p'etioll Irild • a Mr. Mayen, who went On a mission to the Pope, that domestic nomination Was' a thing lie did . not understood. lie ( Peid) would wish to know whether ahere. was any. person in the H ouse to state, on the part of the Pope, that he agreed to those securities.--7- alear, bear, (tear! front 'General Matthew --ti loud laugh.)—lle must. observe that his Noble Friend 'wouldbomiliate Parliament and the Catho lics by making the' proceedings of the former ;blero! upon the Popes and perhaps dash the,enp of hope trinit the lips of the latter at the discretion, of a foreign po w e r. Much bad been said about llungary and Canada, fund a Right Hon, Fricuil of (Mr. Canning) • talked last Session of the equa lity of -privilege between Catholic, and Protestant its the south of Fratice. The eases,. it must he Rano wledged, were very different. The Catholics were , the lonifirity, and the favoli red %yet in the parttnentof theGiroode. wastliflerent in Ireland. lie deprecated a new system. The ;;ranting the elective' franchise. proved .nothing, as it dif in - fired fro office in the opitsion of Mr. Burke, m belonging to the subject, and the other to man, as a member of the St le 'penal law ate. • The .franchise...too;_ whilstthe W as taken away by a simp. other disabilities were imposed at the Revolution. in Ireland there were two rival.establislunents — a Protestant Hierarchy and Roman'estholic Hier archy. The latter was co-extensive- with the' former, and exercised a vast share Ofrdlenrnotoenecie.. It was not sorely necessary, to say in 0 elude :dicta that they were - dialriyali.leirli aen;aiscitficare. the of King and ti e llii Cc ,ig n ya ist b tl i s it ti t o i . i n o s w itt o i t ie l t r e na n T s: t f say, that not only t ie (be' people, if they were s i ncere Roman Catho -. • must be naturally destro ir 4u t s „... . o i Y i e w rt a i s ir a n n t es tablished religion. lit resi-stible-itubition among th and", oority person w wish ho re r ma to thei o wl) religion triumphant, j colleeted 'with what ty the Ito diffieuildettotrinisttTaittit(lll vat - iced- in Ireland , the Cettiones rn for 'an additional reason Wong P re'gressl wou sa y tl alit - re to oppose its• furth er .and if; passible i t back complletetlytht:orirriestelg. Ishind-; 1 .. t was .said, itttliedii Itt- Catholics lnt omeasure would not admit manly actual power, but that t b evret l r ng c l:t rav a i l i ta i g li e a t i n iit er ed a j clumsy security. if i - ett t h eta sit iii r m ~,I'denf ; Int ii * , not, let them he- ,totally - esteloded.- • l t. •thel - rfuestin! at ise , whether a colon portion ' ol , the : eommumily ;night - to be adinitted to.a Shah: of power •oith. the, 'Pi 01 est an Ls; the first :enquiry tO be made, ittl,. whether the interests of the former Were ireenison with thoSe of the latter ?: and, in the' preseut instance, it could not be said that the in terests id the Catlorlica,rind the Protestartts•were the same, while their reJigiotis were .so.diametti-' cell} .opposed. The•Bill-whitrh was brought into Riarllainetit in 1813, required of the Catholics en . oath disclaiming certain opinions. - • lint if its was.: supposed that they had previously en- ; tertaineo those oenicilis at all, it . was a suf ficient rea , oa fns- their • inadm'ksihiiity to: the privileges ut the Cone; itotioo.. He did not itHeite i to tine ileitein CathOlics•those doctrines Which the mith . :caT el npon epotethein to disavow. Ile di',l' not wish to introduce any topics which might pro dice, irrit at ion, hue he thoeght it extremely in• • consistent that they should he admitted :to . politichl I)(3‘ver who : were, in the -first. in stance, presumed to entertain opinioes so lunch et "variance with the interests of the realm, The • measure of 1813 was altogether of 'an anomalous dent iption. It set out with the Manifestation of . a dispositiOti to remove 'root the mind Of the Ca tholic people every grievance of .a mortifying na ture. it would edieit them to every. office in the St rite, save that of King, IJord Chancellor, c I. Lord Lienterient in Ireland.; • thus,. While. it pro fessed to take way the whole of the chain which degraded and Wounded their feelings, leaving be llied three linki to perpetuate their ignominy, a.nd to increase thelemortifications. it may, perhaps, he argued, that as so noich good resulted 111 , 111 eliablkhing in Scotland theyeligion of the mejo rity there, many benefits might also be eXpeottel front the measure now proposed for Ireland.. But that argument went too tar, for it went to esta blish the Roman Catholic religion it, Ireland, and that he believed the legislature was not prepared to 110.-41 - Jeer, hear !) —1 I e begged, • therefore, of the House to pause before they would consent . to any change in the Constitution, Which it was clear must be a radical one. If any doubt existed in the Hon.. Member's mind, us to the course he ought to pursue, he (Alr. I'.) thought that the presinnption was in favour of the Laws and the Constitution as they now stood. He trusted that every Member, still undecided as to his,opie eions, would weigh the practical advantages el reedy proved, against the visionary and theoreti cal itlati s which were proposed for their adoption. (Loud and general 'cheering 'from all parts of the House.) ,‘ , „. penerai -11ATHEW rose, and, as soo' as order was' restored, lie obsereed, that he telt himaelt, more particularly • celled upon to ,presettt .him self to the House in COaltiltittiCS: of the cheers which had followed the, ipiestion of the Right flon. Gentleman, wloolier any person 'there wes authorized by the l'uve to say, that Ilia Holioess Werithl cnitseut to thnnestie nomination ? lie (Ge neral 7,1.) did not mean to state that he wit, Me . reedy authorized by the Pope to sty this--(a laugh)--4ut he tied every reteem to b e li e ve th a t there was a dOeuittl‘ilt in this country to that effect, Air. Ci'estmo said, it was nOt his intention to . `detein the House for . Many mitiuts from -that vote which WAS- so loudly and generally called for. He could not, however, give a silent vote on this in; pertaot question, .without declaring that he bad 'uniformly thought of 0 ; entibe was more anxious to do this'after the speech, of most constoumate tabiliy,,of the Right, Hon , Gentleman, which rip , petted to comprise every argument on that side of the qinistion, in the strongest light, ,and in the 'most Inminous point of view in which the sub ject W3S, capable of being treated. The resolt, however, of ,his reasoniegs appeared' to be Only this—that we were ill a state of extreme delicacy. The p act ical question for the House to deeide was t hi s —whether, by ,going as tar. as .we could consistently go, ,vve could 'purchase the removal of those • inconveniences - which now 'esl.sted, without hazard to our establishment ? If he thought that any danger were letrodnced, for which actual securities were not provided; he Ai(ittla mgrea With the Hight Hon. Gentleman. that wp ought' to pause ,tvere we are ; hut, being in his conscience satisfied ,that to the extent mite proposed we Might go sitlety, he shoidd certainly give his suppert to this proceeding. 'The bill of 1813 tvds rajeeted on the first point---namely, the admission . of Catholics to Parliament ; but he be•. lievett that Ole nieniberS of that body Might be , safely admitted, and lie hoped, as satin its oppor- : Cushy. o ffered, , that they - shimlll see among them. professors of the Roman Catholic religion.--'- Of 'lime who must tome among them as re presentatives of the , people, there wroth!, be 1 persons Of property; Red what evil Could i'eStilt from the atimissioninto that house of Stich pet'sona,.' who were only excluded by that taith,Woich none of us called on them to teeego ? There might he ,Tersons of,atroer character, * who e re seek to infleine the p ae ans of tite•peOple merely for the pei s 'ehief they could do ; bitt to ,open the doors of the House of Cemmoos would be tb mollify those miSchiefs. It there be Milting the Catholics talent' , end abilities, why should we deprive ourselves tit such s pl e ndid' advantages? The true' extinction, of the miciliefs which the exercise of , such ac quirements was now calculated• to produce, would be found in their admission to, that House ; there they would be met by equal ebility, and the friends of the Constitutimi wotild be ,able to, cope with them. ' If the fact really was (from whal causes arising he wtmld not discuss) , that we haul a per petual sw ing of contention in Ireland, there was eve ry pro bability that the discontent vt oukl be el., layed, by couseoting to do whetevet we could to satisfy their reitionahle claims. He was too deteried by the ' epprebettsino that we could not 'tio all we must do -what we could, not with a view to . theareticel perfection, .but to praetiCalimprovernent. lie knew: trot. how we were beforehand to obtain the assurance, ;hat whatever'we miot do would be setisfectoeily le. "ey e d ; and as .to expectieg complete antisl f ta-, ,tion, tell not him what the,' CattioliCs would oc copt ; for whether it weft with , mere or less tit gin. tittop,. pArliithient would grant the bciott with its 01%91 cOlitlitiOnli and it was not tar any isola!ed persons to objeet to ii,.'' We' slight tiot'.to be qe term!, from a feeling of what might be approved • b?y.a part of tire AVert gbrid of all,. *as •prod for ihd Whether the ft ortratt would be tlOtninAt ' eti in 'oire• way Gt. other', ;;0,1111 not be matter of prt:vikatf3e.t noriation conk con te'ssed Iltat,-if he thonglit the great point ot :eon. • ciliation ought to be uceontPlished, lie tared not on whicli side: the, ati , ineet hvgau; svi!etlier were the , sribmission of the Catholics to Par. 'Hari - tent in ' the. .first instance;" or. t'he heirevo. knee! of Parliament which excited the wat ritude of the Catholics: lie eared root frarri what point. the circle began to he drawn, !,Sat i•11,4', he was that, - by. adopting .t lit. present t r !rt`pl , si 7 itY l • ninth would be done tai quiet the -irritation the people or Ireland, HMI to t he away hoar- tho , it ylio \visited to do mischief Ore Means at dai-g it was in this view, Ihelt fare, thnt he Vi ' dfi they shouid go into lie was riot, lie “..peat (211, dct, rrcd tiv the objection that th•te !night be ditrereoces of opition. Tr de it wrls iii it in 181 - , Mien the matter failed, it was'reevived with much discontent ; but it was Only lost by •Maiority of four, in one Of , the fullest Hemses eves' 11qm:inhered, lie hail them given way am a single point ; but he was not quite sure, after the exPe,r rience of that fuilute, that if lie could not obtain ail, it would be wise, on ,another Occasion, to throw away all.—(licar, bear !)--lint if this failure had proditeed . diseoutent, it had heeß received with approbation ; ,and w.rt, it re .c.cived with discontent„ and where with appraha. dun ? With .ipprohation at Home, and tlit.cou tent. in Ireland. At liarrre it vk Its CnUCCiVell its having passed ; in Ireland it ~a s thought to have , failed. The continuance of his belief was, that, in spite of Ibe impossibility of arrising at perfec tion, it was their duty tog° as tar LIN they couirli and, therefore, he would expect the House to go into a Committee, without being deterred by the apprehension of nut bjug able to devise any think; more perfect.---(hear, hear !) Mr. GRATTAN rose amidst loud and repeated cries of " Question." He would now be leave ta self, late as the hour was, and impatient art the Houk p f e a r r e e p d l ) t i o b ng e t , o o ti f l e t he c ig i t a t l n a .l r i g ic u lt m l e t t e l tlsiad,hti.ceisierved hado against the appointment of n Committee; AO first, with regard to Sec:teeny, you may .(said airs Right , Huriourahle Gentleman) command your own steatitic*. Yitu can cotn mand the security of domestic norniuritien; and demand check soff the Papal power. 'As. to. the expectation of giviag complete !ntisfaction to every person, you are to legisliatu upon the principle of serving the country,. without accom mcidating any particular set of men. , If the idea' of this Heusi: is to serve, depend upon it 3...0 will ultimately sat i,fy. (Hear, hear, leari)—•4le did slot know'',Wherst the Itigitt Hanottrahle Gentleroan opposite ,(Mr. li. 'felt:mit) could find that this was a Protestant Omit not Originally I Constitution was Catholic ; it was forum' hy Cathalicti; the best laws to which the people owed their righis titre) li berties were the work of Cathidici. ktinlits merely a deciaratory law of the pri; lieges olitain.ti AA,: ancestors; and, therefore, we could. net ciattead that it was not a Catholic Constitation. the third estate in the realm; but they vrere, r(PteSta'Og ; thei'e were both Catholic and Protein:tut lleztors whoi uC pnleil Representatives to sit in that Huaae. A gi;,,a Aral' had been said about the oath of iltioducecl at the Ile volution. !ewe examinedove should find that the slat h then pre served was not a permanent oath against the reiigiitn of the/ cunntry,but imposed only on such as then ieuiald they Ore tempo ral power of the Pope. In urger to shew that hr out speak at random, he should read the aireface to the Act of Parlia inent.—(The Clerk here read the preface, but we were rinalsle to hear him.)-111 1700, the year when the. oath was litmus ed, Pailiament expressed its opinion art the nature of the oath, " that it was not an oath ag ii net the Catholic religion, lint against the temporal pinVer uf the Pope." In fact, it was a dogma, and an oath of obedience, put in place of it fornitq' oath'. That was the opinion of Parliament against the fats damentalityof this oath, which proceeded from the Revolis- Mon. To affirin this, he had the attthoeity at the Parlianteata of Scotland, Ireland,• and England. IV the ith Article of the Union, it was ordered that every Member should take the Oath of Obedience. Here was an abjuration of the funda mentality of the oath, Teem:aired by the Parlialient of Ire-. land. The same had been the case at the Union with t • land. Could we now say to Ireland, Ord the exclusion was MA as the Union said it was, Subject to revision, bite Is putt 'of oar fundamental law ? It ;appeared, by a passage on tuts Journals of the House of Lords, that a :notion for a Com mittee to consider wlictliet this oath was fundamental or not, was negatived by s great majority. Here, then, there was the opiiiian of the Rouse of Lords, and otaore own Parlia ment, .astainst the fundamentality. of the oath, sail coati] ,e now say ta Ireland, that the revolution is in your face••—ave cano6t get over the fundamental oath? lie mutt infer.froin all this, that the Protestants could prescribe for no exclu sive claim to the Constitution. Then the Cathtilics , did not claim to come into. Parliament as a right,. but they bad a right id the ',NUN:Lion of the positive.lailrsi The common law gave them capacities in emulsion with other sub jects, and Parliament had lialited those eapacitlea t but tell of tie fair ground fur such aliuniution. 'as far as It consisted of 'the sentiments and opinions of an in ilividnal,'Parliaartent timid not limit it was an interfereoce betsteers God and lean; be • affirmed therefore, that religion •ought not to diarpialify any wan !tom sitting in Parliament. It was trtfe, that religion iniAltt he so uninfected with tithe? , 'aubjects, as to afford 'some grotinti for exclusirM from offices of State, as where it might be the niAttlg filling those offices, with,persettS saltjection.th a Foreign State. It was objeetionalile.that ,-,agistrates here should be nominated by a Foreign State ; and on that grotlnd this Veto bad been offered ; but in the pteseut instatita that right had entirely ceased, and dantestic nomination was offered as A SeClltAtfi The argument had titanic' with the tight, and we were urged to re ? jest a I , ecurity for religion and Church, in order to cominue the a rg o it t ri t i l e e n c t ,4 t t a ti l u itS lic rl r o o W . grouuded (rutin; maral_atrovities ilaptited t liar to jucities and t t aisligictn, 'I 1w must 1 , apectethle i' criate±tW ei t nl3!y e u ed r i : e; t : l s ts l : i i i t ;; : l l v f t tl i t li o ot i l i sl e e :; a et tB 4 ll l :l : l" ht l:rttt with einatd ft 4.01) tltr d,mactev of Christiallity ; pod *ere the fele, the two or three,Vrotestaut countries, alone to be honoured with the name oft hristians ? 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