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pp m 3 w. 1 .• 8,0',10,0001.-; the .4 the kite• rem' of 'he 1,900;0001. to which I,:i'4 to he .h.ll, for the charges of fife Sinking' 4 2.230 iiool , tvhirh made the whole amount e , lrtied to the charge of the ,Un foodell` Dent ahotit 1 2 , 06,0001. To nett this, there :.,hits) hl. including VV;iyi and 111 ,, r1s for rl,ii branch, about 14,180,0001. which 'ivotld leave a sinpltis i,f übotit 1,480,0001. beyond the S'tionl);. ;40.11,r,r, 4;0,1 a I've words. To Ft (VI •I WO 11001 I 11 , fflourilble Nretillivro yt the liasclitMtlati ralll , 115 to the ' , inking Fund, he wislied.it to'he di/dint:Hy owlet stood, 'that not one penny should he liken from i , for the solidi(' service or tiny other pin . - pose, eooll'iry to Ole Statiiit-, relating to it. )1' ('I '.I to he regularly Illauktged fly the Commissioners ippointed for that purpose, unit ar.r.ttroling. to regolation, the :tuts of Va:liiiment and in It other Manner tvlileVer. \Vitt tlier the revving. should prove deficient or not, it etrtairdy 011011 not to he ble.reaSed by tiny encroachment 01101) the Sinking, rm.', Mr. figAtxns.iiil, that with retpect to ;the too finn of the Noble Lord, to the first :part of it he form(' no faith as to Illilt "part of it which :rent 19,teeitten a seat it, the Committee, inot decidedly disapproved (It it, bee:Huse lit' thought th, y vie not a cllss of nien.who could lie tidy employed in executing the duty went Hoed In the secotol pArt of the motion of the ,N,lde Lot!' Considrting . the duty which theConotnittee oto;ht felt it 11.3 illity 1(1 0i)1111Se the .ecolid neat of the motion of the Noble Lo.rd, inStelid or it to toov,, tll4l Com ' Ink tee be app ,, itited to inquire into what increase or dintinntion had taken pidce on the sal tries rit rs since 1 7!18, and to report On the bt.4( lllellsures fit' the reduction of them." lie cint'.s.tio n being put, I .llr, titers disapproved Of in ()thee to hak'e. Seats ill the 4 COPploiticv. 14411d1 ( ' ‘.l'l,4:4ry;ll wished to call the at trtition 'of the lion,. to Ole nature of the 4tnenthuent tome plopo,ed hy fte Hon. 'Member Irati(l). 72y'rt moving the list elanse of the motion, it .would then be merely a motion for it Committee to inquire into the State of the Income 111111 Bk irnilittoe a the C. : unity, that virt of it (cer. utility the most important), which instructed the Committee to inquire into what retlNCtions he woold Itc entirely removed. It slip , ,it vd to hint ILO nothing could bc more ahsto ,than for the [loose to ttgrre to such an amend anent. .141 r. liitiuc;ll,Sta could not help observing, that was really deired that the. Committee should carry On the ioquiry• in a workmanlike manner, h e did Out bUt• how the tonendinent could he ob. ject ell to, The Hon. at:d Learned, Gent !email then wen! no to draw a pierpre of what would he th e eounnet of itConimittee to which men in (Ac e wets admitivil, ;Hid maintained theft they would ha v e the . a.,evioniney. lie then vindicated the Coin mit tce of I lif/G from what bad heen -said agaiost it by Lord Castlereagh, and pve set:omit of, its Turret:tin / les, 'lle took a des ptittilitig view of the state of the resources of the country, with a view toiniprvss the necessity Of retrvitt,hment. lie could not but express hi s slneete gratification at th • gracious commit:ilea ' Aims wiiich ,had been made by the Noble Lotil from the lilostrions Individual at the head of the Government. Thar, emanninkation, as far as it wear, as to the mintier as wed as the' substance, was of•• a pithil.! to , give the grea•etit satistaetion.-- (Fluar !)—He also gave credit to the sacrifice of _part of their emoluments whirl] seemed to be in 'chile(' by Molislers, and hoped that the example would be billowed to the lowest ()direr of the Cluten, It was by such !lordlier that pnblie men and men in office ought to distingni4ll them. selves, and not, by talking ahout dignity and splendour, and monart by, and be koew tintwliat ek e . N o t win telt more than himself . the im• purtance of the Monarchical part of our Coursti union,' because in his conicienee he Inlieved that it was the only :form of Government consistent With Civil liberty,—(lle,ir!)—But it was because )celoved the Monarchy that he reeommended, as s'best safeguard, to plam its roots in the hearts ' o r the people, Instead of .spending money on itandy and splendid pageants, which might be very proper during prosperous pint flourishing times, the highest cl ass oug h t to slit w a sympathy ,with the lowest. Not bitig was, in his opinion, so graceful as Toverty in public men, And he would say, that tLi Monarchy of Great Britain Tras planting its affections firmly in the hoots of the lumple, if outward and useless spkinlotir was sacrificed, and a rigid and self-denying economy practised. Mr. CANNtNe.----Althougli he confessed he was not sanguine enough to expect that any 1)00- bgh rout forw,ril this night by his obit Friend, 'would meet with trylro hiition from every part of the I louse, yet he certainly was surprised tilt the degree of imputation implied by Ili; vole .flow put from the Chair. Considering that the vote wiiich the, noose was called upon to,give by bis Noble Friend did omit call for its irrevocable oppEoh l ti o n of the melisures of Government, he Lad thought that at least the prima facie ex posi. Gin would h,ive been satisinetory. In his own mind there w,t:; :I doubt whether Nowt: of the es. thfaiShhielltS 1101 not already been 'cut down us ,low as ssu adViieable, eohNioehtly with our tintnti sate Ly. ‘Vhaterer !night he thought by some 'Aleinheri, he spoke this advised!) , and Opon ;nature rutieetion, Prow the slittelllettiS liad been Ironic by his Noble Friend, it had beett seen that tic reductions proposed Inought the expenditure or the c o n ti t r y k tver b y 6 00 0001. the /Loom: .ble and Le4rorti Clentlentan bad anticip,o ct i it (Amid lie brotight. After tins, though haul not eitpecied that credit would he given to his Miijesty's Nlinilters (or flit it exc rtions. yet lie hdd thought it pots,sihie they might esespe censure. The great complaints 11 , (1 lohodeil on the great co , thlistourtits but alter the I , L•Jo,t!olii which had been atillolll , eo, thothili be Ohl ,lot hay they (night not herealter aeraped and p,ifull.dowii more. lie would as k if any twin yolk! hayki3O (..:imitit tit ion of the coun try seas iu hatiger how rho military there were any danger at all, it ;403 of a cillioacter directly ferettce's of opiition as (p the persoos 'proper tO be voted on the he svostlil ask if the House were prepared •tis say that that class of olli. Cid men who had front ill time assisted in its de liberatious, ought now to lee exelmled Till!, if done, would be to change the Coustitutioe, hot not to make it more favourable to the lifter ties of' the prtitple. Ile ,eoll3itlered the course taken by the opposite side of the House, to hold tip the Civil Establishment in the most ievidious fight, and as the rause of the public lotrlens, It lie unfair. Ile held it to ben question that might be 'signed, whether the influence of the Crown hail !welt ittereased or not ; lie tor one was sittis lied that it had ticen intioitely diminished. It had been progressively diinitoshed it; point of actual eitomeration, Bud was flow far troth belie.; what it was iu the very best deys of the coustitto het— ill those days when theWhiso were in power —the kri f igs who had passed the Septennial Act, in thos e times •when the liberties of the people were in the IWO'S of those saviours of the country. Ile, for one, should be happy to meet the ytystj oo th at Might he laisell on this subject ; but whether he was right or wrong iu the idea he had formed of the pieseut billtience the —mown, 1 . 3 Willi what it hail fins:telly been, the Holt. Geo- Ileums!) histi no right to as , itole that it Was (let:tiled th 41 it hail increased, and tois was the basis ot the Committee. The reductions which might. lie nook ill the Citil Departments, windif not have the effect of relivehig th e people tr out their bur delis ; hot he eilm , tted it would he of importaece from the effect it might be expected to litre on public opinion. l'lte sacrifices made On the part at the Illustrious Personage nt ,the heat) of the Slate, mod those by itioch they were about:to he' followed, were, iii this ;milli of view, important, front the sympathy. thus evinced in the distresses of the people, and not from the sum which they would be the inerins of saving to the Conoco , . Ilia, the milliner in which these volinitary sarrifites haul-been greeted by the Learned Gentleman, who, not cootent with them, had seized this opporta nit y to demand outer voluntary sacrifices,. was not very eueottraging to those who were disposed to take such a course. it was not the way in which he (\lr. Canning) would have received such climiumticatiou, nor did he think it woidd be found 1111 We advitotageous than it WaS If the Committee even to intpitre into the in crease or diminution of the influence of the Crown, he admitted the objection of the Honourable Getttlentatt to so many official persons haying seats in it would not he ill hounded. But the question betore the 'loose to-night was not on the influence of the Crown, hut on the ap pointment of to Committee to inquire if greater economy Could not be intioductil into • the venal Depertments of the State ; and those (Miele! men who were se touch objected to, he held to he useful, if tun ttecessary iugredietos in such an inquit it Wall neces sary to inquire what reductiou could, he made in Civil its Well as Nlilitaty'Offices, as a p a r t of the nati ona l expen di ture ; hut it was mit drought Algid so to ifistinonsh the tone trom the other, that the inquiry. conld not %tiff, pro. iniety he carried by a Committe eimstittited in the some manner as that (louse, which dele gated its powers to the Committee, Ile denied that the appointment of,the Committee proposed, Would have the effect of deterring the House front proceeding as it would otherwise do with respect to alleged abuses in certain quarters. That this was not to be feared, might be seen from a refer ence to the Order Book., Ile could see no reason %illy the Gontmittee now to be appointed should no: be formed as such Committees It td always been. in the names proposed (his own was 1101 a tilting them) he could' discover nothing dint ought to excite jealousy. Kit should hereafter lie foetid that the,Committee tlid not keep pace with the expectations of•the House in their proceed ings, then a motion could lie made Is) the Hon, Gentlematt on the subject ; and it lie could get the [rouse to agree with him. those topics which he wished now to separate in the itoptiry could then he pot in a separate course of extouitettion. The Hoe. Geo: (nintleman had.himsell said th ere was a shorter stay of proceeding in such a ease, by which this might be effected ; so 'that it lutist be' seen it was not true that the Cblntnittee would bike the power of hiterfereuce in the inquiry otft of the hands of the House, or that they would be unable to stimulate it, or to set it tight in any instance where this should be lleCtSaty, Within twelve hours lifter the error which might attract their attention should have occurred. Mr. IVieueeeonca considered the sacrifices which had been Millie; in a certain quarter, to be of great importance from the example thus offorded, Of the Committee lie had remerked the Noble Lord hail said its duration Would not he limited to one year; it might cootinue to xit two, or even three years. lithe inquiry might thus be protracted, a dissolution of Pat 114Itlent tv mild pos sibly occur before its labours could be brought to a. close,—(Hear, hear I)—He must conle,b that if poly the It:twill of time were coosidereil which its proceedings might oecepy, that of itself would . in his mind, constitute n strong objection to the course which it Was now proposed to take. By o !untold effort on both sides, he hoped the Com mittee would be so constituted that their proceed ings would he received without prejudice,' and trented with appropriate liberality, • • . Mr, V. FerzGEtt un, in reply to ut elltielon of Mr. 'Brand, wits riot sorry to have an opportunity of saying;, that whatever were the principles on which lie hail given up office, those whit knew him best, knew that he had no reitSoll to be toilsome(' of them. Neithet the Hon. Getttlemitit nor any of his friends could have a right. to say they had retired moredisiOtereStedly than be (Mr. Fitzgerald) bad done. 'Sir AeesNo thought the inquiry could not he satisfactorily comiticted withottt,the assistance of official met), but et the value Ow he consi doeil the presence of Cileotletueit whose'hebits of oppositioit would le a d them to inquire ioto some thipet, noire minotely than others, to be iihsolot e. ly. iteee.isary. Ile shriek', it, the first instance, vote for the proposition of the Noble Lord, told till ettvttrils propose fo diminish the tninitier of Of ficial men named to be on the Commit tee. Lord Idsii,ii;eetis thought the concesshins which had that night been announced, would be Very nOits , . ~ grateful eta the per.nle. rte . thAnght 'the nnmVer of officio) persons proposed to be On the Com mittee would be well rtbired, not that he sus pected the persons named of being actualedsby any improper feeling, hot because. he thought the pub lic might view tlo: inquiry with stopicion if they were retained. fie avas io hopes -the .distless of the country was begiuoing to,subside,,as one Of its enoseS, I lie eircuuistanee of llie foreign markets being overstocked, was in part removed. lie should in the first instance vote for the - Committee of the Noble Lortl ; but if any complaiot shOold be toady of obstructions lseing thrown in the way of the iitquiry by thole coulleeteit with the rem went , he slimdd feel it his duty to support any motion that might he made tii correct t he evil. Air, PoN.oNsy set forth :the advantages which would result Irmo haviug, two Committees in stead of nue. What been stated by the Noble •Lord.io the. cpurse of the evening, had afforded him great satisfaction. The eeono. ulie4l arrangements annonnced, ought to have been had recourse to sooner,, but be Was glad' shay ware to be carried into effect now. .The Noble Lord had said that persons in high situa tions ought to have their salaries conshrerably abated. He OW et... 4 with the Noble Lord in seriously thinking • th's ought to be done. B A he thought the .Noble . Lord ought to go Curt hut, for he (Mr. Ponsonby) was of opi oio'n that every person receiving money from the public, ought tO be ready to wake a sacrifice. Ile spoke uirh confidence ou.this subject, for be Was all interested person, but' he would say what the Noble Lord bad ,sugeested w..s not snificient. Ile was iently for himself to make any Sacrifice:, Oirit might be necessary, though there were few whose private would not admit of ihis Vet. than his. At presto' 901. would ,go further than 1001, would four years ago, opinion - Was, hat the einolumeuts of those, who receiverlmoney rout the State Should he reduced, according to be change which had taktoi place the value of noney. Ile called upon Miuisters . to give thc mblic all efficient •impory, but above all, he ex - ors red than to make sacrifices themselves ahd spare the people. Mr. Gooch supported. the motion, and Mr. CALtay.FT oppoSetl it. The House divided, when.thenumhers:vvere Ayes • 21Q Noes 'll7 Mrtjority ' Another division took place on >t proposition for substituting the name of Mr. Tremayne for that 'orLord Binning —Ayes, 1 36—Noes, 178— Majorit v for Lori Binni ng , The lions afterwards divided, on a motion for .substituting lee name of Nle.Trertiayne fto Heat f.) Mr. lloskisson—Ayts; 129—.Nees ty for Mr. Iltisltb:son, We understand that the name of Tromayne was Hit added to the , Comm..tee on the Motion rut Lord , ClisTLEttltAOW, ;Ind that several otherchanges were agreed 'to. The .1 -louse adjourned At Half-past One o'Clock .Morning. a~EI E Tlt I I. ItI:GISTEIt, l'ely'ornerd Lost DtttrltY-LANr..--Oiotnitiku; Ortimolin, Nlr. Kent, ;Ws, Stmgrrille. Aftgr which (third thug), Pitkrigiei Re turn, and The Pannel, Covr.NT-Ganna.N.-44ny Manneriug: Henry "Bertram, Mr. Lucy nertrinn o Strpikrits. After:which (th •it tinte), Aurora, and The Sleep %Vallee,' . . Alum::1)-4linn, .2 rhateillitirgh, 1 Dublin, 1 Waterfor.l. 12li r.— Frmive,• .I . llatithurgh, 1 Guitv.tiburgli, 1 iloll4tud, I (iitenisey sinil.levsr;y. • PIME oF STM;KS , I)AT 4.r per iisi Cr t;,.; 14,114 rmitis,.. 3 -1 • pr. p er EXch, . 4 per Coitm, CotIJ4, for ices, tif,/ Ga G 64! It per Cent. Navy W.VIT.It AT LONIION BRIDGE TO-IIORROW. ithirtiiiig, 19 minutes after 7.1 L;reifitsg, 44 iiiiibittes after 7 TitlE4 SUN. soi.Em rAL.l,l,,,Aullt:.lr lA)ND()N, • 8,1TU11,1)-1Y, FEI3RU.I.ItY 4 1817, On New Year's Day, after noticing the Cabinet Councils preparatory to thvOpening of Parliament, we suit! '• A Statement verb satisfactory to the Nu may,'be expected from 31inisters." How gloriously. this pledge, which we ventured to give the - Public -in the na►ne at Government, has been redeemed— we deed only pai n t .to 'Lord CASTLIME AG H's Speech of List night to testify. We cannot now speak of the illustrious rxample set from the Throne, and tolloWed by the Servantsof die Crown and Country. As a sacrifice it is noble, as a pattern'ioestimahle ;—t he effectw ill be felt by the minutest fibre of our Politieal System, and it Will be 14t once the best Gagging Dili to the Disturbers of our Peace, and the greatest Encouragement to the Lovers of our Coustitution. The following is a Schedule of all the items of Expem2iture, Reduction, &c. &e. for the last and eortent years out Readers will have the whole before them at one glance:— Army last year Ditto thii year Ittaluction Nunk beni. 119, 1,23,702 - t5.743 Nunik;em Ariiiy for Great laritain, Irehad k and Culwiics 41 ,otti Fraitca • 4. 2, I 17,560 Charge. Army fret yurtr, filolading all exaopt Ofd lia UGC; • - • i 0,664,000 Ditio tlis 'year, ditto :iiito :, f,, Savior ihii year gating this yeAr in Ordnance (s'rtftvince last yer - Dittu this year • Nary last year - Ditto this year Red uction Navy last year Ditto this year Saviug . - !!ir • I,i , • .0, - • D M i i t s t c o r : l d a i n tt e o o :i s f S e e ia r u vi d ces I . i:et year, Great Britai n 1 Ditto, ditto, thigjear, Great Britain \ Ditty, ditto, ditto, trelitad -Saving thi9 Year Army aiving Navy ditto Licellan coos RECAPITCLATIO:i. Tcttal Savibg SUPPLY. 1,1! 141 4 4e, tto TO, 6,t,' Z. 4 cO l 0, 0 • Or Army Cokunii!sariht and Barracks, Great Britain Ditto, ditto, Ireland Ext eaur.linaries Ordnance N4vy _ 10/ ) Misevllauecies, Great Britain and Ireland f,tb,3l3F P ' 6 : is Papers of Tuesday Wee notliiog rest: The funds are 60.—Flis 31.0 0 ' 1°1 of as in better bealtb. bi tie conduct of Tan ItacoaDo ll, 111°'' 01 c d the . male um/ water style of the P ru P °l- • Address, has the high approl)011 1 4 circle. It .was said that Awls on it lsgl li ti • r d. the Law Oiiicer %vas unprecedente d ) but a 1 ,1 1 . there was no precedent of such tame ' 4 liti o langitage,,oa so gross and alarming ° II° of ig in any former Address and if it slwi llje s, repeated, we hope that charaeters'as 110111)1:4) of the It ccoanEß will come fort' , ' d firmness in the treatment of and all their menaced horrors.. • we had ; 1 thv Gjil"Y 1 , 1" V tliis 17)011H )g. It the test resiitig Ehibit ion or the ‘l'orks of 1-;' 111 ;; I . ,)o f since the comellectuent o f tiriS ()lir haft letters arc uniniportan t • (JO) CAPITAI. PYIL F3—l the I.,,,tiery the Ticket 2,(i3, drawn on the •*':" l i i „67i I)iawing, Prize: ref 1,025 'the !nit "Dry of Drawing. " tr i Gititienv, were both 20Id iu Oile Et t ilith ienei t,:n Sixteenths, at CA o rr , ” Clearing-C.rossf where the Public toe inrited to - exeltange their sniaii Prix's Arid Shares in the New Lottery, to b i e :o i nit Ole Ist of 11,ateli.-I.N CAaTtsg.",(os sttiall •Cipilals,' hot dues not ize under 500 Guinea's". 1 4:8110A11Y 7, 1817........yr5t crby ill' . - 1 ~ e g" tery tiiii,iveil Drii wing, (rivet) Biqa, e v ' ,l o iir'" 1 : °1 " ne never fortioikes bins), distrii)"!; i , l , 0 11 ' leis Friends t h e 1011nwing C s iiital 1 91 '' ( ‘ 5 41 , .451 slt were dretl and Sold At 11i* taw ) ilrile Do Cortiiiill, nail 9, (ji n i „g Cross, 11) 1141"9 l q ' , 0 1. a ( II " 1 " 11 ) a 0106 h greater' intiliher do n () dice-keeper can bl)a4t ot, viz.:--- 6l'in. 782 ... 5,000 Cinineas 8,758..... • • 'iiij f . iii 9,-128 ' . .... 1,000 Guineas 10 i 64.• • ••• •"' 3 4),..",, 1 i0• 6,106.. • , ...... 500 Gtriiirits 1 i,i56.. •• ••• ". .90 ',',„ - joi 8,95:1 ..suo Guineas 1,265. •••• • • " . 2(' ,( 1 , - } ip( 90.10 .... . 500 Giiiiiias 2 400••• • " ''.. 1()°1 - 10 1 , 3,601 • —4OO Gilifieiti 5,116••• ••• •": 00 -., 11 ; ig -4,405 ••• •400 Guineas 7,508.••• • • ••• oli t. l l - i ' i l ,r 6,745 •: : : ;3 1 1 n ( 1 )0 : 1 , 1 ) Li i lu: i i i i l i k e e .l a e ts " l , 1 107 1, : 34 : 51369 7 3 : . : . " .6 1: : e 1: „. ! .. 0°° -C111) : . : ( 5,32/1 14601 • 7,263 .....300 Guincas ' ,Or ,I l'he fortunate liolders of the Itsb" V ) of c',l Prizes way receive the amount on delto l l i sr , ,v,V i l change their' Shares f o r those in Ih r v, 1 4 , 1 j tei y, to be AL it t. drettv on St. DaVitr .t 6 4-4 00 , 11 ,i0 1 1 :\larcli, with only 301)0 Tickets, ye t .C111 144 ' a Prize of 15,000/. besides fifteen 01 141 ,00 fr " I I i ll Money.—(For the Schenzereic- Se e ' ' ment.). . Ad 6. 1 7 " — It is titiversally acknowlett;ze4l, 1/ „ If ectal4 e Wirt oldie Profes, s i on , that l' 1 " it . rt..PO ir br etttablialted by the celebrated A IV' t charlotte4ltimse, Bi tt ekf l iars.rattab "" ii / 0 : s i t i,.. nek•str eet , Oxford.str e et awe the fountain head for s '„f IV! G is hiCtn, that, by t h e i; ot i Ito r, 1 elIlleme " , upwards of Six Thonialttlii,,,;ocs: ittee been cur e d annintify of obstio re ' ) ; l l'il f i 111 " Y 0 f whom bad been dia ChM' gtql 14-11:evit tals, and hundreds bad•been imprnIKE I Y tt a le l.- Persons ignorant of nu int ' taw brOlci Jvi ~atrpt I li . fair euudes.-I)ifect Charlotte-110115e' dio P ho . use, neAr New amid-street. t Hun. lady uhilibetrie re' LOV-ION : .1, 11:(! huildittei: Awl imhlfsh,,, 1,, w, A, ' it . IV pe At, the slim-orrecc, Nn. 11 ' *, Strin4! 4 JvntspOr4rs, Utter*, mg. (post -pai4) 12114 t 7 It _ins J t 4 1t th C(