The Sun. — London, England, 1857-02-11 00:00:00

, - THE SUN, LONDON, WEDNESDAY EVIC'NING, FEBRUARY 11, _lBB7, nudely dad its way there. With respect to the decision of ; This was a sufficient precedent for the measure now pro. disputes which involved doctrinal points—disputes which posed. threatened, he would not say the disruption of the church, The motion for the appeintment of a ee l et cetrenittee but to disturb its peace and union—he suggested that was then agreed to. these unhappy eases should be sent, in the first instance, ; SECONDARY PUNISHMENTS. before a tribunal cern peeed of cimperent persons to ob- Viscount DUNGANNOIet, who had riven notice of a taro their opinion on these points, which opinion was not question on this sus jest, :said ;hat after what bad passed to bind tha deui B h", but to ci ) uve.Y information '0 te) in the other beuse on the preced ng night, when Sir Judicial Committee. Under the present law, also, G. Grey obtained leave to bring in a bid relating to clergymen who consci en ti ous l y separated themselves 1 secondary puuiehmente, he would abstain from putting from the Established Bhurch and performed the service of his question, an 1 woull reserve any remarks be had to Protestant dissenters, were liable to be brouebt before make until the bill was before their lordship. the diocesan within whose 6iteceete they exercised the /thee After a few words from the Earl of HARLIOWBY, the of dissenting parsons, and to be dealt with by him in the Hou se a d j ourned at hal f - past e i ght o'clock. same way as if b es t i 'l b e l onged to the Esto.t.lished Church. Holy orders were he knew considered to be indelible, but if some provision could be introduced which, without in fringing on the principle of the indelibility, would give relief in this respect to persons who separated from the church, it would be a most wise and tolerant addition to the bill. (Hear, hear.) He thought that common jus tice and expediency also required that the expenses to which bishops were put in prosecuting violations of ecclesiastical discip!ine should be made good from tlse common fund. He was aware that in one case a right reverend friend (the Bishop of Winchester) had to pay between 5,0001. and 6,0001. as costs, not one farthing of which could he by possibility recover. The inevitable tendency of this was to prevent prelates from per forming their duty in respect to these cases. With regard to the Marriage Bill he was sorry it did not go farther than it did, though as far as it went it was in the right direction. To take away from the wife the right of ap pearing in court, ur being heard by counsel, whilst the husband in seeking for a divorce might be ruining her character, was an injustice as crying an d crue l as any that xneted within the *bole compass of the world. This should be remedied ; but he hoped the right of action in these cases of criminal conversation would be taken away altogether. Seduction should be treated as a public offence, and not as a private injury. He would sot dwell on the state of the law as it affected the property of married women, because he intended to introduce a bill on that subject himself. (Hear.) Lord WENSLEYDALE (who was very indistinctly heard) said that the present was not the proper stage in which one could make up hie mind in regard to the de tails of the bill. He was perfectly aware that some clauses wool I require further consideration. With re gard to the Testamentary Jurisdiction Bill, it was a great advantage to have only one court of probate instead of the numerous petty jurisdictions which at present tx• It was also a great improvement, and a chief merit of the bill, that no new officers were to be created, and that no large compensations were to be paid. These • were substantial advanta ges conferred b y th e bill, an d i n what respect it could be amended they would be better able to say when they came to consider its details. The Bishop of OXFORD said that the bill which his noble and learned friend sketched in the conclusion of his speech, was not on the same subject-matter as the Clergy Discipline Ac'. The act dealt with persons who had remained in the church, and it would he better not to incorporate with that act provisions relating to those who had left the church, but to deal with the subject in a separate measure. He trusted that the other mea sures that had been sketched out would be brought for ward separate from the Church Discipline Bill. He hoped the Lord Crianeellor would well consider the principle of confining the decisions of the Privy Council to the legal part of the question, without any reference to the thee. logical. The latter part ought to be left to an ecclesi astical court constituted for the purpose. At present the decisions of the Privy Council Committee had the aspect of spiritual decisions. This ought not to be the case ; and the addition of more assessors to th e cour t would only increase the evil, for it would be impossible to avoid the imputation that certain bishops had been selected in order to secure a certain decision. Lord CAMPBELL said—ln the case of a question whether a clergyman bad in his sermon contravened the doctrines of the Thirty-nine Articles, the whole question would have to be determined by the bishops, and the decision of the Privy Council would be of no effect. The Bishop of OXFORD explained. The doctrine of the church was not to be found in one single article, but to be gathered *from a comparison cf the whole. The spiritual court wooll determine the particular doctrine ; the Privy Council would be responsible for the decision. The LORD CHANCELLOR d.d not think that there would be any greater difficulty in baring three or four bishops sitting as assessors than in having them sitting in a court by themselves. They would be appealed to by the Judicial Committee, as the judges were when sum moned to their lordships' house. It should be remem bered that the question to be decided was always a legal question—whether a party had violated the law. He thought the inconvenience would be much less from hav ing the bishops sitting as assessors ; but he would give the suggestion his c nisideration. With reference to the observations of Lord Brougham, as to the judge of the proposed court, he would remark that the judge would only have one function to pertorm—to say whet her be was satisfied with the verdict, or whether there should be a rehearing. He preferred one of the Vice-Chanctl lors as a judge, because he was always in London. A common law judge might perform the duty just. as weal ; but he was out of town for half the year. Lord BROUGHAM—Why not a vacation judge I The LORD CHANCELLOR said he had been a va cation judge, which his noble friend I ad not been, and he knew that the time of a vacation judge was most filly occupied—frequently from 10 o'clock till 6 or 7. He could not admit that because the Vice-Cbanceil.trs might not be familiar with nisi prius proceeding., there fore they were not fit for this office. The bills were then read a first time. IMPROVENIENT OF NEW ACTS. The LORD CHANCELLOR moved to refer the second report of the statute law commission to a select committee, in order to consider the propositions in that report for the adoption of means to improve the n•anner and language of current legislation. The statute law commission was one whose duty it was not merely to consolidate the statute law, but to devise means for ob taining simplicity and uniformity in modern acts. In their second report, presented last year, they expressed the opinion that a great advantage would be derived from a better supervision in the progress of bi ls through Par liament—(hear)—that, in truth, a great portion of the evils of our statute book arose from the language of acts being unnecessarily verbose, and that b!115 were passed without due considerntion of the mode in which the exist ing law affected them, -endin which they affected the existing law. That wq.s the CA6O3 when they were origi nally introduced ; the evil was still more aggravated by alterations innumerable being made in them in their progress through Parliament. The introducer of a bill was often troubled with applications from a variety of parties, and when be found that be could conciliate op position by adopting some new clauses, he was apt to do so, and material alteration. not contemplated at the time were made. He proposed that an officer should be ap• pointed, with a sufficient staff—at least one or two per sons under him—whose duty it should he to attend to all bill; that were referred to bins, and to report exactly what the state of the existing law wag, and how the proposed alterations would affect the existing law, With that ad vantage, members might more satisfactorily come to a decision whether measures ought or ought not to pass. It would be pre-etninently part of the duty of such officer, after a bill had been through committee, to examine it, and report irnmeciiately to the house what had been done by the committee. The most discreditable role. takes were made for want of some such supervision. Only in the very last session of Parliament (and he took shame to himself, for the bill came more less under his own cognisance) a County Courts Act was passed, which said that the judges should receive the salaries mentioned in the schedule. They were enumerated in the schedule, and sums set against their names ; but by some over sight, the salaries of two were omitted. The bill passed the other house in that form ; and it came back to their lordships with nil opposite the names of two of the judges ; and as that house bad no power to remedy it, questions of money belonging to the House of (Horn moos, it passed io that form. That was a most ridicu I tus oversight. He knew not bow the Treasury had dealt with those persons, whether they had assumed that they were to have the Ranee salaries as their colleagues or not. (A laugh.) H« was ashamed to say that in the same session an act had been passed for improving the Scotch Bankruptcy Acts, in which certain proceedings were to be carried on according to the feria in the sche dule set forth. But there was no schedule at all. (Hear ) Tne reference, no doubt, had been put in in committee. In 1851 or 1852 an act was passed, which was to come into force on the feet day of next Trinity Term. It Passed in Trinity Term, so that it refeired to Trinity Term in the ntx':, year ; and it wne necessary to pass another act to set it right. Besides these blunders there was a very inconvenient mode cif thrusting clauses into bills with which they had no connection whatever. In the 20,h Geo. 11. a h•ll was passed for the better co - lection of th e duties upon windows ; and in that act w a s in troduced a clause, "Be it enacted that, se herevt r in any Act of Parliament England is mentioned, it shall be deemed to include Wales and Berwick. upon-T w eed." Not long ago, Lord St. Leonards bad complained that a certain bill referred to Eug and only, this old enactment having escaped his atten tion. That was an anomaly that ought to be remedied. At present there was a macs of legislation passed every year, of which a very small portion consisted of acts that were to be a permanent guide of conduct, the rest con sisting of local and personal acts, acts relatinr , to certain departmental of the government ; and all these formed part of the statute-beok. According to an observation made by Mr. Coulson, that applied to no less than lour fifths of the legisletien of the year, Therefore, it was proposed that the bills shoal I b e classed, se that thos e which were permanent rules of conduct Rh eu m he sepa rated from the rest. These again wo uld be eubdivided, according as they related to England , Irelan d, the Unit e d Kingdom, or the colonies ; on that our yearly legi4ation might not be that confused mass which it was now t ee apt to be, With a view to introduce tt.is amendment be proposed that both houses should refer bi le to select ctouimittees, empewerie r those ceminittees to c:inimuni cafe with each other. The great e Eject would be to have the sates i.fEcer attached to both hi,usee, to as to reduce the expense, prevent col:isioo bttween the two houses irueted that this us., a m ve in tl.r right direction ; and the te es e it might not seem a very imp trtarit ores-ore at fir.t, he hoped that, in its immi d.ats and ultimate operation, it %And lead to the very best results. HOUSE OF COMMONS.-(YESTERDAY.) The SPEAKER took the chair at 4 o'cl)ck. There was a very full attendance of memberi, owing, probably, to the expected explanation between Mr. Disraeli and Lord Palmerston on the " secret treaty." NEW MEMBERS. Sir R. BETHELL, her Majesty's Attorney-General, took the oaths and his seat for Aylesbury ; and Mr. LANGWORTIIY taok the oaths and his seat for Salford. The following private bills were read a second time : Bathgate, Airdrie, and Coatbridge Railway ; Birken head Docks (Construction) ; Birkenhead Docks (Ma nagement) ; Birkenhead, Lancashire, and Cheshire Junction Railway ; Blackburn Railway ; Brigh ton, Hove, and Preston Constant Service Water; Carlisle and Hawick Railway ; Chester Water; Cornwall Railway ; Dumbarton Water, &c. ; East gent Railway (Extension to Diver) ; E!y Tidal Harbour and Railway ; Exeter and Exmouth Rail way ; Glasgow City and Suburban Gas ; Glasgow Gas ; Great Southern and Western Extension Railway ; Great Yarmouth Britannia Pier ; Inverness and Nairn Railway ; Kidsgrove Market ; Lancaster and Carlisle, and Ingleton Railway ; Leslie Railway ; Lewes and Uckfield Railway ; London and South Western Railway Acts Amendment ; Mersey Conservancy and Docks ; New River Company ; Newry, War renpoint, and Rostrevor Railway ; North Eas tern Railway (Capital) ; Oldham, Ashton-under- Lytle, and Guide Bridge Junction Railways ; Pee bles Railway; Portsmouth Water; Price's Patent Candle Company ; South Devon Railway ; South Durham and Lancashire Union Railway ; Stratford-up in-Avon Gas; Sunderland Gis ; Taff Vale Railway ; Twee 1 River Fisheries ; Victoria (London) Dicks ; Watchet Har bour; Watchet Harbour Trust ; Waterford and Tramore Railway; Wearmouth Ferries, and Approaches; West Somerset Mineral Rail way ; Whitehav en, Cleator, and Egremont Railway ; Whitehaven and Furness Junc tion Railway. INCOME TAX. Numerous petitions were again presented against the present assesdment of the property and income tax. On the motion of Mr. MOFFATT the following re turn was granted, showing the number of persons charged to the income tax for. the years ended the sth day of April, 1855 and 1856, under Schedule (D) ; dis tinguishing the number charged in each of the following viz.—under 1001. a-y!ar ; 1001. and under 1501. a-year ; 150/. a-year and und-r 2001. ; 2001. and under 8001 ; 3001. and under 400/. ; 400/. and under 5007. ; 5001. and under 600/. ; 600/. and under 700/. ; 700/ and under 8001. ; 800/. and under 9001 ; 900/. and under 1,000/. ; 1,0001. and under 2,000/. ; 2,0001. a n d under 3.000/. ; 3,000/. and under 4,000/. ; 4,000/. and under 5,000/. ; 5,000/. and under 10,0007. ; 10,0001. and under 50,0001. ; 50,000/. and upwards ; and the amounts of t , -x received from each class : Similar re turn, under Schedule (E), to 5,000/. a-year and upwards : return showing the net amount of property and income tax fur the same years, claved under the several eche dales (in con inuation of Parliamentary Paper, No. , of session 1856). And similar return for Ireland. Lord C&MPBELL had gnat pleapure in giving support to the propo-ed measure. The state of the bilis now passed was most discreditable ; and a great portion of his time and that of other judges was spent in trying to reconcile their contradic t ions. Re anticipat e d th e greatest benefit from the proposal of the Lord Chancel lor being Carried into effect. Formerly he found that bills were, frequently committed to the law officers of the Crown, the judges, and other persons not members of that house, in order to report upon their legal effect. THE NAVY. Captain SCOBELL gave notice that on Tuesday, the 17th inst., he should move fur a select committee rela tive to navy promotions. THE EXTENSION OF THE FRANCHISE. Sir J. WALMSLEY gave notice that he should, on Tuesday, the 24th, move for a select committee to con sider the ectension of the franchise. DIPLOMATIC SALARIES. Mr. WISE gave notice that on Tuesday, the 24tb, he should move for the repeal of the act of Parliament granting 180,0001. for diplomatic salaries and pensions. LEGAL EDUCATION. Mr. KEATING asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether it was the intention of her Majesty's Government, in the present session, to intro duce any measure founded upon the recommendation of the Commissioners appointed to consider the subject of legal education Sir G. GREY said that nothing had as yet been done with respect to it. It rested with the Lord Chancellor. GOODS' WARRANTS. Mr. GREGSON asked the Vice-President of the Board of Trade whether, in consequence of the doubts thrown by the Courts of Law upon the validity of ad vances on the hypothecation of goods or warrants, it was his intention to introduce any bill upon the subject during the present session 1 Mr. LOWE said it would not be difficult to introduce a bill to secure the legitimate trader. As soon as the Government knew how to meet the wishes of all elysit s of the mercantile world on the question, they woul I in troduce a bill. PROTAS SHOA LS. Major SIBTHORP asked the V►ce-President of the Board of Trade, whether any steps were being taken by the Government towards the diminution of risk to ship ping, by the erection of a lighthouse on the reef known as the Protas Shoal, in the China Sea / Mr. LOWE said steps were being taken for the pur pose asked, but the difficulty was to obtain the neces sary funds. It must be done by a toll, which he thought would act as a deferential duty on the Englitih shipping. DESTITUTE SOLDIERS' WIVES AND CHILDREN, Sir I. TYRRELL asked what steps were being taken 4o relieve 250 wives and 350 children of soldiers in a state of starvation outside the garrison at Colchester ? Mr. F. PEEL said that he had made inquiries at the Horse Guards, but nothing was known of it. He would make further inquiries upon the subject. THE CRIMEAN COMMISSIONERS. Mr. J. EWART asked the First L4rd of the Treasury whether it was the intention of the Government to make any recognition of the services of Sir J. M'Neill and Col. Tullock in the Crimes ? (Cheers.) Lord PALMERSTON said that these gentlemen were employed in the Crimea on inquiries of an im portant nature, bearing on the state and condition of the army there, and they bad performed those duties to the satisfaction of her Majesty, and to their own credit (Hear, hear.) It was not the intention of the Govern ment to step out of the ordinary way and ask the Crown to give these gentlemen additional honours. Mr. LAYARD asked if .t were true that before Ccl. Tolloch went to the East he was promised promotion, and that since junior officers bad been put over his head ? Lord PALMERSTON said that be w.as not aware that Col. Tul;och had been promised promotion. A number of officers of the same rank between him and the top of the list, who bad seen active service and greatly distinguished themselves, had been promoted, and he thou 4 ht it would not have been fair to them to have put him over their heads. (Hear.) CORRUPT PRACTICES AT ELECTIONS PREVENTION ACT. Mr. H. BERKELEY a,ked the First Lord of the Treasury when he intended to move for a sel?ct cominit tee to inquire into tha operation of the " C.irrupt Prac tices at Elections Prevention Act." (Laughter.) . . Lord PALNIERSTON said that he would take the opportunity of doing Bo on an early day. ARMY ESTIMATES. Sir C. WOOD gave notice that on Monday next the army estimates would be entered into. JOINT-STOcK BANKS. In reply to a question, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he did not intend to move a second committee for Joint- Stock Banks, but woull state the course he intended to adopt on an early day. THE SECRET TREATY. -MR. DISRAELI'S EX VI, A.N ATION. Mr. DISRAELI— I have to request the indulgent per mission of the horse, although I take precedence of no— Mr. T. DUNCOUBE—I beg the ri;ht hon. member's pardon. lam extremely sorry to interrupt the right hon. gentleman, but from what fell from him yesterday, and the intimation he gave that he was going to bring forward a, subject of great importance, I infer that he is not about to enter into mere personal explanations respecting his re cent statement, and the contradiction of the noble lord at the head of the Government. Now, sir, in asking the in dulgence of the house to go beyond the usage of the house —although I am far from thinking there should not be every indulgence granted—l wish to come to this under standing. lam of course ignorant whether the right hon. gentleman is about to state that be was 'imposed on in Paris, or thal: the contradiction of the noble lord was in accurate, but if he is going beyond this, if he is going into the general question, I hope there will be an understanding, so that other honourable members may be at liberty to make remarks en what may fall either from the right hon. gentleman or the noble lord, without their being stopped by the form s , their being no question before the house. Sir. J. PAKINGTON—I rise on the point of form. I think the house will feel that my right hon. friend was about to Wu) the course which is always i.ermitted in matters of personal interest, and seeing that my right hon. friend is_ desirous of doing so, and the noble lord is ready to reply, I would suggest that the usual course for the house would be to hear the explanations, and then decids whether the discussion should bo prolon3e& Mr. DISRAELI-When the accuracy of a statement made by a member of this house has been impugned with out any qualification, it has always been the courteous custom of this house to permit the member to make such statement as he may think necessary to vindiwito his accu racy—perhaps his honour. It i. in that spirit that I am shot"' to proeee.l to-night, sn I if any gentleman calls me to order I shall enders! an I that the perniis,ion is not ac corded. If it be accorded L trust that the permission will be fairly andl:b erahyconstrued, ant the house may be as sured that I shall not mik e auy observation I do not think necessary to clear up the point in dicpute. And I cannot help feeling that I am interpreting the general opinion of the house when, in recallins the circumstances that led to this appeal, I express my belief that an attempt on my part to answer the contradiction of the noble lord is nei ther impertinent nor unnecessary. I will therefore assume f no gentleman rises to call me to order, that the house will grant me that indulgence, which on many other occa d. stone they have granted to hon. members on both sides of the house. I remember some years ago, I think it may be eight, there was a dissuasion in this hone upon the pro. I ceedinga which had taken place at Frenkfort, it was a case of censide rahleimportance, anal was adjourned from day to day-. I took some part in tho debates, with the view of vindicating the con duct of Austria, and I remember I had occasion frequently to appeal to the treaty of Vienna. I had occasion to refer to a guarantee contained, as I alleged, in the treaty of Vienna, and having been given by England to Prussia with respect to her Saxon provinces. Tho noble lord, at pre sent the first Minietor of the Crown, was then Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, and had been Secretary for Foreign Affairs for no less a space than 17 years. On that occasion, when I referred to the gca:antee of Great Britain to Peu:sia iu respect to her Saxon provinces, the noble lord unequivocally contradicted me in the face of the house, and said there was no such guarantee in the treaty of Vienna. On that occasion I had the opportunity of reiterating my statement, and mentioning the clause of the treaty in which the guarantee was contained. The noble lord was still in credulous, and requested one of his aides de-camp to go to the library—it was in the old house—and bring him the treaty of Vienna. He found there the guarantee by Groat Britain to Prussia of her Saxon provinces in that treaty, and the noble lord, the then Secretary of State—who had been Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs during seven teen years, and whose reputation as a statesman mainly depended, on Isis knowledge of foreign affairs—then became acquainted, for the first time apparently, with that most important undertaking of the Britishe rown. Now, sir, on the first night of the session I hail occasion, in the course of debate, to refer to another feet. I mentioned that there was in existence a guarantee by France to Austria of her Italian provinces : I mentioned also that that guarantee was expressed in a treaty ; and I mentioned further that that treaty was a secret one. The noble lord contradicted me on that occasion, as be had done on the previous one with respect to the guarantee given to Prussia • but I was in a very different position the other night to that in which I found myself when I received the contradiction of eight years ago. The treaty I then referred to was not printed. —it was not published—it could not be sent for to the lib rary of the House of Commons—to vindicate my assertion, or to refute the allegations of the noble lord; and I did not, under those circumstances, consider it respectful to the house to rise after the noble lord and make a busi ness reiteration of the statement I had made. I felt that such a reiteration, under the circumstances, would neither be satisfactory to the house nor to myself. I ha I a moral conviction when I made the statement in debate that I was right, and that moral conviction of my cor rectness sustained' me under the almost unprecedented contradiction which I received from the lips of the Chief Minister of the Crown. (Hear.) Sir, I received the in formation, which I presumed to communicate to the house that night fur its guidance, from a quarter which I felt convinced could not be mistaken—a quarter which I was confident could not be mistaken. And here I may per haps be permitted to say, though on such a question, I think it quite unnecessary that a member of this house should be called upon for his authority ; but, in conse quence of the peculiar nature of the observation of the noble lord, the house will perhaps allow me to say that I received the information from no French or foreign quar ter, and that if 1 had not made the visit to Paris, to which the noble lord with much good taste alluded—" Oh, oh," from the Ministerial benches, and " Hear, hear," from the Opposition)—that information would have been equally in my possession. (Hear.) Now, I think I am not mis taking the feeling of the house when I say they will agree with me—assuming that the information that I gave was correct, or assuming, which is the same thing as far as my , conduct is concerned, that I had, on the faith of the au thority on which I received it, a conviction in my own mind that it was correct—l think the house will agree with me that it was impossible under the circumstances that I could be silent ou the point. It was totally out of the question that if the affairs of Italy were brought under discussion in this house, as they had been brought under discussion at the termination of the last session —it was impossible that if such a debate, for example, had been originated by the noble lord tile member for the City of Loudon—and it was a subject which every one expected would have originated with him—l felt that it was impossible that I could listen to a motion on the subject of the affairs of Italy, brought forward by a statesman of the reputation of the member for the City—a motion founded on the proceecings of the Confer ence of Paris, and upon the direct and implied engage ments of the British Government—it was impossible if such a motion were brought forward by the noble lord, or any other hon. member, founded on such authority, and an swered as it was answered last year by the noble lord at the head of the Government, whose answer was then felt to be satisfactory—l am sure the house will agree with me that, being in possession of such important information, and believing it to be authentic, Isould not, as an honest man, listen to a debate carried on with a suppression of facts which would have tetchy altered all the arguments and conclusions of the discussion. I felt, then, front the first moment when I became, or believed I had become, possessed of this information, that if the affairs of Italy were again brought under the consideration of the house it would, on my part, become an exemplary duty to make the statement I made to the house on the first night of the session. That statement was well considered. (Hear.) I will not attempt to excuse it by pretending that it was uttered in the heat and hurry of debate. The statement, I repeat, was a well considered, a long considered state men', and if it be an erroneous one I am prepared to take all the responsibility of it upon myself. (Hear, hear.) Now, sir, there is one point upon which I must ask the in dulgence of the house in order to prevent any misconcep tion. I wish to guard myself against misconception as to the views with which I look upon such an alleged connec tion between France and Austria as a matter of policy. I wish no one to suppose that in the observations I made on the night of the address it was my intention to otter any opinion on that question adverse to the course that had been pursued with regard to Austria. I alleged the cir cumstance I did in vindication—not in reprobation—of Austria ; but I mentioned it to illustrate the conduct of herour foreign es rolatioua. Government l a u to cannot suppose upp g o e se ner t al hat theremanagement is of any gentleman present who can remember with accuracy what I may have expressed in this house with regard to the position which, in my opinion, Austria ought to hold in the great system of Europe; but I may be permitted to say, in order to avoid any misconception on the subject, that the words I uttered in the house, before the proroga tion, on the noble for I's (J. Russell's) motion, WAS the ex pression of an opinion that I have long steadfastly and con s+ autly entertained—that it is necessary for the highest European interests to maintain the power and authority of Austria. That was the opinion I expressed on the eve of the prorogation, and often and often I had expressed that opinion before, and even in the debate which I felt it neces cessary to recall to the recollection of the house when I com menced these observations to-night—the debate on Cracow - -I was vindicating the position of Austria. If than it be, in my opinion, one of the highest objects of European policy that the power and authority of Austria should be maintained, I will venture to say it is of equal importance to those who are subject to that power; and therefore it was that I said last year that as regards Italy and the Italians it is for their sake of importance that the autho rity of Austria should be powerful and strong, for it is when that authority is questioned, when it is harassed by secret societies or the machinations of foreign governments that the policy of Austria becomes tyrannical and retro grade. (Hear.) It was not, then, with a view to impugn the treaty I alleged to exist that my observations were directed. I will say also—for on these points there should be no misconception—that .1 believe the policy which directed that treaty on the part of France was a policy conceived in that wise, that temperate, and that con servative spirit, which has gained fur the government of the Emperor of France the respect and confidence of all Europe. (Hear, hear) France, confident in herglory, in her inexhaustible resources, her power, and the univer sal respect she has obtained. (Cries of "Question, question," from the Ministerial side, replied to by loud cheers from the Opposition.) I assure hon. gentlemen that I am speaking to the question. (Hear.) If the house does not wish me to speak I will sit down. (Go on.) I am prepared to make a statement to the house which, I believe, it is for the public interest I should make. I began by saying that I must appeal to the habitual indulgence of the house, and I will not make the statement I have to make unless I our permitted to put it before the house fully and perfectly. It demands it and deserves it, and I assure the house that its indulgence will not be misplaced, for I am coming to details a hich every man will feel ought to command atten tion. Now, I have merely made these observations to guard myself against being supposed, in the remarks I offered ou the first night of the session, to have impugned that policy which would maintain the authority of Aus tria, or to have supposed that France was animated in this proceeding—if it took place—by any other motive than its respect and regard for the general interests of Europe. What I did complain of that night, what I complain of now—and this is most germane to the question before us-- is, that if it be a fact that this treaty exists, and that the statement I made was correct, the conduct of her Maj :sty's Ministers at the same time was conveying to this house, and to the country, and to Europe an impression that they were pursuing a policy quite contrary to it, and that their course of general policy was entirely adv,ree to that which this alleged treaty was intended to accomplish. I think it concerns the honour of the house that upon this subject there should be a clear understanding. If it be true that, while this alleged treaty was in existence, we were nego tiating treaties with Sardinia, °certain ned by representations of a contrary character, it is impott .nt that it should be known to the house. Surely it is a circumstance which demands attention, and which is involve d in the statement I made and the contradiction I received fr l u a m in t o h f e at n i o ll b , l ib e y l s t o tt, r ih d se: t eN b r a h t a What h l e co i t t n a p i : a te c f, y an a d . a what sm ad l e complain m stalking-horsep ma Government,de wereif t, the a fa n c d ts l I w a a l n le t g e, e i d to and h n t w h o to s t t a h t a e t m e libri t e a r a l l affairs party i by 7Etuticreo°ipirreceocw;lha ,: ie co nc v e er i e n d t t h h e ei n r o l b a l c e k l o n f r, f - - a l l i w n a c i l i o te m d es t t h i e c liberal party in Poland and Hungary clearly to understand that that Italy which they thought was about to bo rege nerated by the noble lord was the object of a very different policy, and the subject of a very different treaty, with his knowledge and concurrence. (Hear.) I wish to place be fore the house, without exaggeration, what are exactly the charges involved against me in the contradiction I received from the noble lord. That contradiction involved two points —two distinct allegationee The first allegation of the noble lord was that my statement that there wawa treaty, anti secret treaty, in existence by which France guarant eed to Austria the security of her Italian dominions, was altogether a fiction —that there was no such treaty in existence—that there was not the slightest foundation for it—that it was, t use the noble lord's.cords, a romance. (Hear, hear, from the Ministerial benches.) That was the first allegation in volved in the contradiction of the noble lord. The second allegation was in the shape of a derisive hypothesis, for Le sail, "If there be such a treaty" (the noble lord having immediately before declared to the house that there was n ot) ,' of all it—the ca G n sayo, Government s e t . tI have ee notno not heardse: n o t — f i It ;haveand noti_ heard ,ifa a n-ehn game ac a l r b ra te n n i consulted sL e nt i l d o f h a a d v v e is s i a n i g d S t u : h F r a a tr e e :, t y ` Arak kind.' " Those aro the two allegaOions involved in the con ttadiction of the noble lord. No w, as ever y thin g deportee tof the w-o on accuracy, I will read from the report of the noble lord's speech those observations of the noble lord in which those two allegations ere stated :—" We come now to Italy, m end, in reference to that question , the ri g ht Lon. gentle en has had access to archives , and has found out treaties of which we never heard. He announce; that there is a secret treaty concluded between th e French and Aastriau Governments, with the sanction of the Government of England, ranteeing to Austria her Italian possessions. I am bound to say that this is the first time I ever heard of it. The right hon. gentl eman may have seen such a treaty; but all I will undertake to say is that we are totally ignorant of it; atd, so far from having advised such a treaty, if we had been consulted have given our advice in au opp osite direction. That treaty is an entire romance." I ask the house if I have not accu rately described the allegations involved in the noble lord's contradiction 1 (Opposition cheers) I will now address myself to the first allegation, that the whole is a romance — that there is na such treaty—that it is a pure invention, an d that either I have been hoaxed, or mu st have created the fact In the heat and fire of debate. (Hear, hear) My E tate. snout is--and I wish the house to do m© the honour of attend. lug to what I am about to say - (hero the right hon gentle man assumed a pec uliarly slow and solemn tone)—my state ment is this : that engagements were negotiated between France and Austria with the main object of guaranteeing c is the pert of France the security of the Italian dominions of Austria—that these negotiations were brought to a success ful conclusion—that they were expressed in writing—that the form the written instrument assumed was that of a treaty, and of a secret treaty, and that that treaty was executed on the 2:2d of December, 1554. (Cheers, and counter cheers.) In answer to the first allegation of the noble lord, that there was no treaty whatever in existence—that the whole of my statement on that point was a mere romance—l am hero now to re-state what I expressed the other night, and to give the very date of the instrument, the form of the instrument, alai the object of the insarumeut. (Hear, hear.) Now, sir, I come to the second allegation contained in the contradiction I received from the noble lord—an allegation which the house perfectly remembers was uttered in a spirit of derision ; but I will give the advantage to the noble lord of taking it as having been said with becoming gravity. That allegation was : " If there be such a treaty I have not seen it, her Majesty's Government have not seen it ; and if they had been applied to they would have recommended that such an arrangement should not be made." Sir, I have in possession evidence - irresistible evidence to my mind—which proves to mo that throughout the negotiation of this treaty, which I declare exists—this treaty of 22t1 December, 1851, by which the secu rity of the Italian dominions of Austria is guaranteed by France—that throughout the whole of the negotiations for obtaining this secret treaty, her Majesty's Government was privy to them from the first,--(loud cheers from the Opposition members)—that the substance of it received their approbation and concurrence—l will add, their cordial concurrence; aid that they wore formally advised previous to the execution of the treaty. Now, the house will at least agree that, so far, I have not avoided the issue—that so far I have placed the very pith and marrow of the noble lord's contradiction before the house, and that the two allegations that contradiction con tains I have met. But, Sir, I have some further statement to make on this subject. I have, to state to the house now that not only was the treaty executed on Dec. 22, 1854, with the cognisance of her Majesty's Government, but that it was largely and extensively acted upon—that, in consequence of this secret treaty, Austria withdrew a large portion of her troops from Italy ; that, in consequence of Austria's with drawal of a large portion of her troops from Italy, the Italian Governments throughout that peninsula became alarmed, and that Austria obtained from the French Government permis sion confidentially to communicate to the Italian Governments in order to "tranquillise them" (I believe the very words used on the occasion), " to tranquillise them"—Austria obtained permission from the French Government confidentially to com municate the fact. I would upon that point make even a fur ther statement, and that is, that the fact that Austria obtained that permission and communicated the existence of the secret treaty to the Italian Governments was known to her Majesty's Government. (Hear.) Sir, the noble lord has said that I have " had access to archives and found out treaties of which we never heard," I will refer now to archives of which the noble lord has beard. I will refer to the ar chives of that office over which he so long presided—and I toll the noble lord that if he will give me the correspondence without reserve from the archives in Downing-street, of the transactions that took place during the months of December, 1854, and January, 1855, and if ho will assist me in obtain ing—what I do not believe will be necessary—any further evidence that might possibly be requisite to elucidate some in thathis I custom admired passages, I think I cou ld undertake to prove, and I will be bold to say that I wou ld prove, every tittle of what I have asserted. The house will, I hope, at least now admit that I have not avoided corning to a di r ect issue with the noble ee s e a lord. (Cheers,) Th e noble lord the other night, w h en thi s question was unde r di scussion, thought fit to treat t hi s grave a a s t ptta ct timeaud i then a toe e e of theb no levity, l subject, cannot bjt, a i y s e lord adopted—(hear, hear, and laughter)—beeause if there were any foundation for what I stated it required at the least, I think, the attention of the Minister ; but if, on the other hand, it were an inconsiderate statement, still more a state ment invented for the occasion—it is not in a tone of ri bald ridicule that it ought to have been answered—(oh, oh, and laughter from the Ministerial benches, and cheers from the Oppesition)—but rather in a tone of warm and over. whelming indignation. (Hear.) But how stands the case with regard to myself if, on so grave a matter, I made an in considerate statement ? My character as a politician would be damaged or destroyed ; but if I had invented a statement of the kind, it was not my character as a politician that would have been at stake, but my character as a member of society itself. (Ch • - -"Ts-) Sir, I have sat in this house now 20 years, and during that time I have laboured assiduously to obtain the good opinion and respect of the house. These are to me dearer than all worldly possessions. I am conscious that I have occasionally addressed the house ineffi ciently—sometimes, perhaps, with indiscretion—but this I know, that I have always treated them with candour. Whether the noble lord in his answer to me the other night treated us in the same spirit, I care not to inquire. (Hear.) Viscount PALMERSTON—The right hon. gentleman in introducing the observations he has just made, and in claim ing, as a right, the attenti on o f th e h ouse, sa id that the ques tion at issue involved his character for judgment, and it might be his character for honour, Now, sir I beg leave to call to the recollection of th e h ouse that nothing I then said or insinuated could in any way whatever justify the right hon, gentleman in conceiving that any question concerning honour was involved. I did not accuse the right hon, gentleman of in ventipg the statement which he made on that occasion - but what I did accuse him of was an excess of crednlity—(alaugh) —having been induced to belfeeie"ati assertion , made - Without foundation er in accordance with facts. (Hear, hear.) There fore I can only say that I should very much regret if the right hon, gentleman should harbour in his mind any notion that there was anything in what I said that at all brought in question that honour which I am quite sure no man p , ssesses in a higher degree than himself. (Hear, hear.) The right hon. gentleman finds fault with me for not being angry—(laughter) —ho complains that I treat him with too much good hunioul* —(more laughter)—that what he is pleased to call, in lan guage which, as he talks of good taste, I shall not too closely examine —(hear, hear, and a laugh) —" ribald ridicule." Un fortunately, it generally happens that these who snake them selves ridiculous are the last people in the world to observe it, and it is therefore only natural that they should abuse others for what is really occasioned by their own conduct. (Laughter.) Now the right hon. gentleman has stated very accurately one part of the contradiction which he says I gave to his statement, but he has omitted some very importapt portions of it. Now I beg to recall the attention of the house to what the charge was —for he held it out distinctly as a charge which the right hon. gentleman was bringing against her Majesty's Government ; and of which the allegations were by him considered the evidence. The right hon. geutleman did not make it a charge against her Majesty's Government that they were anxious to maintain the power and position of Austria, for, says the right liou. gentleman in the last debate we had at the close of the last session, among the principles of foreign policy proclaimed by the party of which ho is the leader in this house, was that the great leading alliances of England should be the alliance with Russia, the alliance with Austria, and the alliance with th e United States. I had occasion to point out to the right hon. gentleman then that he had omitted by accident to mention that power, viz., France, with which we wore bound in the most intimate alliance, and for the most important objects. But that being his opinion, that the alliance with Austria was sound policy, he could not aver in the abstract that it was a breach of duty on the part of her Majesty's Governme at to be a party to measures tending to secure the integrity of the Austrian dominions. (Hear.) And to-night he has fairly stated that he considers the maintenance of Austria, not only north of the Alps, but south of the Alps also, in undiminished power, as essential to the in terests of Euro p e. (Hear.) -Meat then was the right h on . gentleman's charge ? It was this. He said, although you, the British Government, are profess ing great interest for the Italians, you profess to sympathise With their feelings of a • ve rsion to a foreign yoke, you say you wish to encourage Italian nationalities ; yet while you do. this openly, on the one hand, on the other hand you are se cretly instigating and encouraging the French Government in Living a guarantee, w hi c h, so far as the possessions of Austria go, is wholly at variance with the sympathy you express and the objects you say you wish to promote, In answer to that charge, I stated that which I now repeat—that, to the best of lay knowledge and belief, there is no treaty between France and Austria guaranteeing the Italian possessions of Austria, (Cheers.) Nor has the right hon. gentleman brought forward any proof that there is. (Hear , h ear. ) He has not made any explanation, or stated any grounds on made the assertion. Therefore the statement rests which he now, as it did on the previous evening, upon the hearsay evidence of somebody or other whose name the right hon. gentleman has not mentioned. (Hear, hoar) The r i g ht hon. gentleman lets talked about good taste. Of coursehi every man is the best judge of the degree of latitude wc h should be given to him, and in regard to the checks he may impos i upon himself. But it appears to me that if a person is told of a " secret engagement contracted between two other in par ties, liberty of making such secret engagement public without the consent of some one at least of the parties concerned. (Hear, hear.) This matter reminds me of a peculiarity I remember in our late honoured friend Mr. Hume, who used constantly to ask us to lay before the house the details of the application of the secret service money. (Hear, hear, and a laugh.) To me I must say that secrecy and publication are not very easily reconcilable. (Hear, and a laugh.) But the right hon. gen tleman says a sense of public duty compelled him to divulge these secret transactions, not that the case which, in his view, would constitute that necessity, viz., the debate on the affairs of Italy, bad arisen—bat in anticipation of what might come at some future time, he thought it necessary to tell the house of these secret transactions, which he alleges to have taken place between two great and independent powers. That is a matter entirely for the right hon. gentleman's dis ere ion. What I stated the other evening was this : That we did not believe in the existence of any such treaty as the right-hon. gentleman spoke of ; that we never heard of it, and that unless the right hon. gentleman had seen it. and un less he had had access to archives to which we had not had access—Lnless that was the case, it was my belief that the right hon, gentleman had been imposed on by erroneous in formation in some quart I' or other. I have now to say that the only foundation for the statement of the right hon. gen tleman is this—that in the early part of the war with Russia, when some hope was entertained that Austria would have joined her forces to those of the allies, she entered into a communication with France, which was known to the two powers; the object of Austria being to ascertain whether, if she joined her forces with those of the allies in the war in the east--(hear)—France would undertake that no disadvantage should be taken of the opportunity to disturb her Italian provinces. (Hear.) That is the only foundation for the statement of the right hon. gentleman. It is perfectly true, as the right hon. geirtlerman has mentioned, that iu Decem ber, 1854—and as there are some gentlemen is the house, who are not now in the Government, who were members of the Governmentat that time, they can correct me, if my statements arc erroneous as to what passed when they were in office that as it was at that time hoped that Austria would join de fensively and offensively with France and England in the war against Russia, and that the armies would in that case come into collision with th ose of R uss ia, she wished to know, supposing that Russia should—which as a belligerent power sire might do, and acting on the rights of a belligerent power sire had a right to do—attem pt to instigate any insur rection in Italy, with the view of distracting the attention of Austria, what course the French Government would take. The French Government assured Austria that they would not encourage any risings or disturbances in Italy ; and, more over, that if the Austrian armies joined with those of France and England in the war, and disturbances broke out in Italy, the French forces in Italy (which were but small in number) would act with those of Austria as far their limited sphere extended, for tire protection not of the Austrian possessions, bt4 of the general state.of the territori d possessions of the powers of Europe, This arraneement was undoubtedlyi known to the English Government —(clieers from the 01 , P sitioa)—and a very proper arrangement it was, for it would other have been inconsistent with the proposed alliance if any course had been taken, and that arrangement was certainly put into the shape of a convention, which the right hon. g tleman says was signed in December, 1854. I can only say that information rea c h e d us yesterday, by w hich we are ass ured that it neve r ' was signed, (Hear.) But that conven tion is as differeut from the treaty which the right lion• gen tleman says was entered into as two things can be. Between that convention and such a guarantee as the right hon, gen tleman has spoken of, there is, as the right, hon. gentleman, as well as I, must hav e rea d in a French periodical, an abyss, and an impassable gulf. What I denied the other evening, and what I do still deny, is, that there is any treaty in exis tenet, by which France guaranteed the possession of her Italian provinces t Austria. (" Hear, hear," and cheers.) I am inclined to believe that the inforinatiou we have received is correct, and that the convention was not sI.Tec , I. I WAS a temporary convention —(len-, bear)—and was only to have continued in force while the war coutinuel. (Clear) But it never was signed, and why ?—(hear, hear)—because it was founded on the assumption that Austria would join Eng land and France in active operations against Russia. (Hear, hear.) Austria never did join England and France in active operations against Russia ; it was h er policy to remain neutral—(hear, hear)----and I am inclined to believe that the information we have received is more cor rect than that of the right hon. gentleman, and that the con vention, which was limited in its terms, limited in its opera tion, and limited in its etfect,.was never signed. (Hear, hear.) No doubt but that the intentions which were declared in th e convention would have been carried out if the circumstances to which it applied had arisen ; but it is a perversion of terms to say that it contained a guarantee by France to Aus tria of the possession of her Italian provinces. (Hear, hear.) The right bon. gentleman has repeated the assertion he made the other evening. I can only repeat my denial. I beg the right hon. gentleman's pardon for not having been angry the other night—(laughter)--and I am sorry that I cannot even muster up any indignation now--(" hear, hear," and laugh ter)--and if he will allow me to treat this subject in a manner which is not likely to give offence to any man, I must threw myself on his indulgence for not speaking with more indigna tion. My object is to vindicate the Government from a charge of bad faith and deceitfulness towcrds the people of Italy, in having instigated that which ho calls a treaty. And here again I must say that we were charged with having instigated a treaty the other night; but now the right hon. gentleman says we only agreed to it. I trust I have now vindicated the Government from the charge brought against them; and hav ing said so much, I will not further trespass on the house. (" Hear, bear," and cheers.) The subject then dropped. THE INCOME TAX. Major REED roso to move a resolution, "That whereas the act of Parliament (18 Vict., c. 20) contains a proviso, which, by its technical construction, would inflict in a tune of peace a second year of full war income tax upon the loyal but heavily burdened subjects of her Majesty, this house is of opinion that the provisions of the said act should cease and determine front the 6th day of April next." The hon. gentleman was proceeding to state the circumstances under which he brought forward the motion, his doing so being, as he said, the result of a pledge which he had given to certain persons whom he mentioned, when - The SPEAKER inquired whether the hon. gentleman In-' tended to conclude with his motion, as otherwise he was out of order in continuing his observations ? • Major REED said, thenhe would conclude with his motion, though he should not press it to a division. After some fur ther brief remarks, in the course of which he quotectlan ex tract from a speech of Mr. W. Cowper, during his recent elec tion at Hertford, to the effect that tkat right hon. gentleman never supposed the war income tax would be continued this year—he concluded by saying that it was but fair to give the Chancellor of the Exchequer the grace he required until after he had made his fiaancial statement, and therefore ho should withdraw his motion. The motion was accordingly withdrawn. INDUSTRIAL SCHOOLS. Sir S. NORTHCOTE obtained leave to bring in a bill to make better provision for the care and education of vagrant, destitute, and disorderly children, and for the extension of industrial schools. a e O O On t m h i e t t m e e o t e i o f n t b o e f ,wlBbr A o. lu L e E AhßoD O uls, F ,e ti ß ho E o a t m o e the nd. sale the l o a f w b e e beer; relatinghl r. F t i e T z t a h o e v g i e n ne t ra he l E e h e it o e u . s o d e r i s . s t o b l e v e a d e t i a t s r e e l l f a i t n i a t g o Mr. HARDY th en moved for leave to bring . in a bill to esi s h al a e ir of beer by retail, and to regulate certain places of public resort, refreshment, and entertainment. Tile hon. and learned member observed that the question of the sale of beer had been dealt with by Parliament on several occasions, and that every attempt had only served to bring the law into disgrace, and make it cala mitous, instead of beneficial, to the people. The first act on the subject was p asse d i n t h e Ist year of the reign of William IV., and it gave to every person the opportunity of obtaining a license from the Excise en the payment two guineas, o f • neas. By the sth Willi am IV . an attempt was made to remedy the in conveniences which had arisen under the former • act by fixing the annual value of the houses to be licensed at 101., and requiring certificates ofehara c t er. That act failed i 3d and 4th Viet., th e rat i ng was rised ntoitslselffeicnt ;tolvn and by the con taining 10,000 inhabit an t s, and a proportionate amount s v \ fixed upon for houses in s i m il ar places The provisionsof that ' act did not accomplish the o bj ect for whi •ch it was passed. Iu 1834 a committee was appointed to consider the evils arising from drunkenness, and that committee made certain strong recommendations which were not carried out. Then came Lord Harrowby's committee, in the year 1849-50, and before that committee evidence was given showing that beer-shops had not tended to the 00i:12tr)lt .aill'adValltaio of " the working population, but on the contrary that 'their coins forts and morals had been seriously, not improved, but im paired by the existence of such establishments A committee of the House of Commons, which sat in 1853-54, reported that the beer-shop system had proved to be a failure. Nothing had been done on the report beyond raising of a controversy with respect to Sunday drinking—a subject with which he did not intend to deal in the bill which he was about to ask leave to introduce. (Hear, hear.) At the present time there were in England 40,006 beer-shops and 89,000 public-houses.. Iu Manehester 1 house in 35 was devoted ,to the. sale of beer and spirituous liquors, and in Leeds the was 1 in 45. In these towns, therefore, every facility was given for drunkenness, and secluded districts were so far removed from the surveillance of the police that crime of every kind was concocted in beer-shops almost without the risk of detection. (Hear, hear.) There were no statistics with respect to the increase of drunkenness which could be relied upon, but every man who paid attention to the habits of2thei4eiiantly must be aware that in consequence of their frocauelittanleef , houses their wives and children were frequentlyeedri*en to the workhouse, and he believed there was scarcely an instance of destitution which had not arisen from imiulgencelin drun kenness. Although there had been a great . diMinution in crime generally, an immense increase had taken place in crimes of violence nurtured by drunkenness. From 1816 to 1852 the number of such crimes was 1,951, whilst from 1851 to 1855 the number had increased to 2,377 —about 21 per cent, He believed that a great num• her of the beer-shops were well conducted, particu larly in the metropolis ; but it has been proved before com mittees that the beer-shops throughout the country had been harbours for thieves and places for the reception and disposal of stolen goods, and for the arrangement of robberies, bur glaries, and other serious offences. It was a remarkable fact, that although beer-shops had been in existence for the last 26 years, no attempt had been made to place them on the same footing as licensed public-houses. Many complaints had been mode respecting the partiality shown by magistrates ; lent, he believed that, generally spe tking, those complaints had come from parties whose applications had been rejected, and that the publicans generally wore well contented with the present system. Although some magistrates might have acted improperly, he believed that the gentlemen of England had done their duty in this respect, and he trusted that for the future they would perform it more strictly and efficiently. There was a considerable difference between the proportionof convictions in the cases of public-houses and beer-shops, showing that the magisterial license had operated much more beneficially than the Excise license. Now, what was the fit ting remedy for the existing state of things ? Tho first remedy which had been suggested was that every person in the coun try, on paying a large sum for a license, should receive it, and that magistrates should be absolutely compelled to grant such a license. Another remedy which had been proposed was that licenses should be granted at a high price, but that only a certain number should be granted within a given area, or ac cording to the amount of population. The third proposition was that which passed under the name of the Maine Law. (A laugh.) With respect to the fir.stplan, itappeared to him.that the license would be so highthat the trade could not bo mado remunerative. The second plan, he believed, could not be carried into effect, because pepulations were so differently located with regard to area, that it would be impossible to lay down a definite line. It certainly was not his inteution to propose the adoption of the Maine law. Ho was not pre pared to give up the use of either wine or beer, and therefore could not consent to become any party to an organised hypocrisy, which would attempt to force such a measure on the poorer classes. (Hear, hear.) Tho Maine law could not be carried out until hon. members arrived at such a state of purity and abstinence from liquors as would enable them to deal with the question properly ; and when that should be the case, there would be no need of any compulsory law on the subject. A great reformation in this respect bad taken place among the higher classes. Formerly there was scarcely a German prince who did not go drunk to bed every night— (langhter)—and too many of the higher classes followed their example. He believed that the alteration which had taken place in the habits of the upper el cases would spread to the lower, and. that the time would arrive when the latter would enjoy themselves moderately, and drunkenness would be abolished. He now catne!to the provisions of the bill which lie intended to submit to the house. He proposed to respect vested inte rests, and that when licenses .had been given they should remain on the same footing until these 41,000 beer houses should change hands, or their lioens•ao should be with drawn. He also proposed that licenses for beer-shops should be granted by the magiserates at the same sessions at which public-house licenses were granted ; and that, in addition to the general annual licensing meeting, the magistrates should hold a certain number of sp ecial sessions for licensing beer shops. Ho further proposed that 'notice' of any intended application should be given to the superintendent police officer of the district or divisio n twent y -one da y s before the sess ion, such notice to contain . a copy of the application and certificates of character, and all such materials as mi g ht be necessary to enable the magistrates to arrive at a correct decision. Under the present system no beer-shop keeper was liable to forfeit his license before a third convi ction —such conviction to bo notified to th o Excise. 13efore the 1853-4severalmagistrates stated that they had committee of Excise • been in the habit of sending such information to t but the chief of the Excise , Mr. mittee that he could no. Wood, informei lie the coin t meal to mind reception of 7 the any such notice. But what show ed the anomalous state of the had law was this fact—The magistrates in some instances d e prived public-house keepers of their licenges for notoriou s obtained bad immediatelylicenses offences, and those men en. (Hear,) That from the Excise and kept their houses P end therefore h state of things ought not to be endured,_pro posed•iptions of houses under the 811110 to place both descriptions jurisdiction. He also proposed to carry out the principle of "Tippling Act," by enacting what was generally called the_ retail to be drunk on the that no person selling beer by boorfor drunk on the pre misespre- should be able to recover Ithis • t• pre wises unless he sued within one week. was intention m to l make the bill applicalle to another class of persons. Iu the report of the committee of 1853-4 la a eed recommendati on underbte was g iven that all-coffee-houses should be the keepers f super vision o coffee of the police. In the metropolis were forbidden to harbour bad characters, but the houses po lice had no authority to enter such houses to ascertain harboured not. He did whether bad characters were ornot w propose to touch coffee-shops, temperance hotels, shell - fish shops, and places of that description, which were kept open during the day time • but he proposed to give the police a , supervision over all those houses which were kept open be • nine night and four iu the morniuo. It. was to such tween these that bad characters resorted ' after they were places as I lied from public-houses, and many cases they had not ethxeß'least difficulty in obtaining illicit spirits. In fact, when the superm • tendent of police at Wolverhampton, in 1851 , went into one of these coffee-houses and called for some gin, he hail not the least difficulty in procuring what lie required. The gin was handed to him in a coffee-cup, and he was told that if the police came in, all he had to do was to put some milk to it, and they would not discover what ho was drinking. (Laughter.) He proposed that these coffee-shops should pay a small licens3—that the keepers of theses houses should be placed under the supervision of the police—that penalties should be imposed upon them for the sale of spirits, for har bouring disorderly characters, and for permitting gambling. He further proposed to impose a fine on drunken and disorderly persons who might refuse to leave such li nises when desired to do so, or who might be found drinking there at unlawful hours. He believed this bill to be a step in the right direction, and trusted that the house would give it a full and mitaire consi deration, Mr. E. BALL seconded the motion, without, however, pledging himself to the details of the measure. Sir 0, GREY observed that ho would not then enter into any premature discussion of the provisions of the bill, as other opp,rtunitics . would be afforded him of stating Lie opi nions on the subject. There could be no doubt that drunken ness woe a fertile source of crime. But the whole queffiion was, how the commission of crime could be prevented. (Hear, h:ar.) The committee of 1853-1 took a great deal of evidence on the licensing system and the system on which beer-houses were founded, and the conclusion at which they arrived was, that the distinction between public-houses and beer-houses should be done away with. The committee, however, did not arrive at the same conclusion with respect to the hands in which the licensing power should be placed ; and before the second reading of the bill he thought the hon. and learned gentleman ought to turn Lis attention to that part of the report. As great interest would be felt by tho country in the measure now under consideration, not, only as one of morality. jut as one afflicting the vast amount of property now embarked in the Leer trade, he thought ample time ought to allowed fur a full consideration of the sub ject. (Hear.) Sir J. PAKINGTON was exceedingly glad that the hon. and learned gentleman (AI. Hardy) had undertaken to deal with the subject, but he thought it was one which ought to have been taken up by the Government. (Hear.) Mr. WILKINSON said it was a mistake to impose restric tions on those who were sober, because some persons got drunk. After a few words from Mr. Lowe, Mr. Crossley, Mr. Ewart, and Mr. Brown, Leave was given to bring in the bill. • CONTRACTS FOR PUBLIC DEPARTMENTS. On the motion of Colonel DeNNu, the select committee to inquire into the principle adopted for making contracts for the supply of the public departments, and the effect which the present system has upon the expenditure of public mo ney, was re-appointed. ECCLESIASTICAL CORPORATIONS. The Marquis of BLANDFORD obtained leave to bring in a bill further to provide for the mode of securing and paying fixed incomes to ecclesiastical corporations, aggregate and sole. STATUTE LAW. Lord PALMERSTON moved for a select committee to con. sider so much of the second report of the statute law com missioners as relates to the proposition therein made for the adoption of moans to improve the manner and language of current legislation, and to report their opinion thereupon te the house. Nothing, he said, could be of more importance than this subject. Everybody who had turned his attention to the framing and language of the statute law must have seen what confusion frequently arose from the dlversity of construction, from oversights, and from conflicting enact ments on laws that *ere passed at different times. He re membered, as an instance of this, that a bill some years ago was brought into the house iu which, by oversight, the gram matical construction of one of the clauses went to provide far the case in which Good Friday should fall on a Sunday. (Laughter.) Besides these ridiculous results there was a want of precision in the language of our statutes, and a wart of sufficient care in providing that harmony should be preserved between bills brought in and laws in existence. And, indeed, when they considered the method in which bills passed in that house, it was very natural. A bill was brought in fre quently by an independent member with such assistance as he might he able to command, or a bill was brought in by Government, who employed an officer, whose time was very much engaged. Neither of these framers of bills was able to give sufficient attention to the language, or to examine all existing laws, to see that the bill did not conflict with those laws ; that, in short, the bill should be an improvement, and should not lead to confusion. Well, the bill was brought in, and in debate amendments were suggested rich were after wards carried out in committee, One membeg had a particu lar case in mind for which he wished to provide, and he pro pond a clause. The mover of the bill, take on a sudden, finding that to accept this clause would smoothe passage of the bill, without, perhaps, having the oppi-tunity or the moans of ascertaining exactly the bearing of the clause on the other parts of the bill, or on existing laws, adopted it. The bill passed that house, and in the other house amendments were made in the same way, and additional clauses were inserted, without sufficient opportunity or time to ascertain their bear. ing, and the result was frequently that a bill came down, passed into the law, and the next session another bill had to be brought in to alter it, as was the case lately in reference to a bill for the collection of rates in the metropolis. A great advantage, therefore, would arise if some proper officer were appointed, who should be servant to the two Houses of Par liament in regard to these matters, who should, when a bill was referred to him, examine the legal effect of it, its opera tion on existing laws, whether it repealed or altered existing laws, whether it left in existence laws on the same snbjeet wholly or partially repealed—in short, to report to the Houses of Parliament the effect of the bill, both As to its'ope ration and also as to its language and construction. "A great improvement might no doubt be made in the phraseology of our statutes. (Hear, hear.) A great many superfluous words were frequently used. Lawyers, in order to prevent mistakes —e x abundapt4caute/a—very often caused mistakes. Ho therefore thought it would be a very desirable thing that a committee sheild be appointed to take this report into consideration. He was bound to say that the authors of the second report had shown by their example how it was possible for able men to have cleir ideas on the subjects referred to them, and to express those clear ideas in the most perfect and lucid manner. Though gentlemen might think that report y readin g a rep or t on l aw amendment was riot an agreeable oc cupation, ewtohueldchoauvldo greatassur polotahirre is hatan one who read this reading it. The motion was agreed to. vyoptNo bringSTABLE inS Sir G. GREY ob e gVed it bill to facilitate the appointment of chief- constables for adjoining counties, and to confirm appointments of chief constables in certain cases. BANKS OF ISSUE. Upon the motion of Mr. - Gays. returns wore ordered of any banks, being banks of issue previously to the passing of the act 7th and Bth of Victoria, chap. 32, which had ceased to issue their notes, and the amount of circulation of such banks respectively ; of the amount of Bank of England notes issued under order in Council, according to the provisions of the act 7th and Bth of Victoria, chap. 32, for replacing the amount of circulation thus withdrawn, and up to what date ; and of the banks of issue, if any, which bad ceased to issue their own notes, and tho amount of circulation of such banks respectively since tho date of the above issue of Bank of Eng land notes (in continuation of a former return). The Select Committee on Rating of Minos was appointed, consisting of Mr. Kendall, Mr. Michael Williams, Mr. Deedes, Mr. George Cavendish, Mr. Child, Mr. Bouverie, Mr. Hut chins, Mr. Philipps, Colonel Pennant, Mr. Ridley, Viscount Monck, Mr. Spooner Mr. Hussey. Vivian, M r . Littl e t on, M r. Hume, Mr. Henry erbert, and Mr. Colvilo. The house adjourned at half-past eight. MR. JOHN MACGREGOR, M.P., AND THE ELECTORS OF GLASGOW. On the 30th December last a meeting was held, iu the Second Ward, Glascr.aw, for the purp, - )sa of taking into consideration. the present condition of the representation of the city, in relation to Mr. Macgregor and his share in connection with the Royal British Bank, when the following letter WAS agreed upon, and forthwith thspatched to its des tination : " 23, Monteitl•-row, Glasgow, Dec. 31, 1856. " Dear Sir,—At a meeting of a few of your supporters of the Second Municipal Ward, held last evening, for the purpose of discussing the propriety of calling a public meeting of the district, to take into consideration the position in which the late painful occurrence connected with the Royal British Bank have placed you with the community of Glasgow, it was deemed by those present more respectful to you to let you know that such an intention existed, in the hope that your reply might save the necessity of any such meeting being held. "In a hasty note written by you some Rime ago, you promised to give an explanation of your share in these occurrences. We think if you were fully aware of the opprobrium that is daily heaped upon the electors of Glasgow, your sense of justice would induce you no longer to delay giving such t xplanation, or of adopting such other alternative as would free the citizens of Glas gow from those reflections, which are bOth painful and discreditable. " You are aware that the electors of the Second Ward have always given you a generous and hearty support, and we do not think it unfit or uncourteous in them to ask such txplaisation, or course, as above indicated. No unfriendly or unkind feeling was manifested by any one present, but a necessity was felt that yen should now take some steps to set yours: if right with the electors generally, but more especially with those who have hi therto generously supported you. With this view they have deAired me, in their name, to send this communica- tion. —I am, &c., (Signed) '• WILLIAM RAE, " Representative in the Council front tl.e Second Municipal Ward." To the above letter no answer hai been received. THE GEOGRAPHICAL SOCIETY. A t a meeting of the Geographical Society, held last night, senile interesting e•Hinnunications were made re specting that poi tion of Per. is where warlike o?erations ere now being carried on, and where they will proeably be extended should the war couthiue. The I,r iceedings cern tueoced wit'l the reading of a paler from Gen, Moettith, which described the position of Boshite and the surround ing country. Bushier, itself is scantilysuppl eit with water, nor can a goodsupply beobtaiued at a less distance than 2 to I - a. Al )ng the shores, for a distance varying hem 10 to 30 miles, there is a tract of lew arid lied at the foot of the meuntains, which rise immediately from it Those mountains present a formidahla appearance but Ger eral Monteith is of opinion they are flat so impracticable for en army as they appear to'be, as there, are several passes through which artillery might be transported without much difficulty. The height of the highest passes is computed to be about 5,000 feet. Gen. Alonteith eta'ed that the mountain, tribes are warlike and friendly to the English, and, being in a great degree indep,ndent of Persia, he believes that they weuld join our standard. At the concluidon of Gee. Monteith's paper, Sir 11. IlewerNsoN spoke at censiderable length in illustration of the ancue t hist. ry, the physical genera play, and the productivenes s of the country. Refer, ing, in the c runtoencement, to Reshire, where the British troops first came in eillision with the Persians, he said it was one of the most interesting spots to the antiqua rian in the whole of Asia. The ruins of a temple bad been diseovere' there, one of the bricks from which he exhiliited to the meeting that bail been built in the time of Sennacherib, and numerous interesting inscrip tions in the cuneifor m ell:intr.-der bad been found there. lie stated that in those ancient times the Persian Gulf and the Red S,a were both known by the same charac• reri,eie name, derived from the red men who inhabited their shores. After sketching the history cf the country to he present time, Sir LI. Rae linson described its general appearance. All al lug the western shore the land is ex ceedingly arid, but en the north of the Gulf thile is a large extent of the most fertile couetry in the woill, ex ten:di g to Schen, near the foot of the e ountains. This fertile tract Las been formed by alluvial deposition:, from the mountains, which are brought down by the Euphrates and by other rivers, and being met by a pre. valmt north-ea-it wind, there is an advance of land into the sea at the rate of or.e mile in fatty years. If the war should continue, this portion of the country would in all probability be taken possession of by our artnics, as it is rely accessible, and capable of being occupied with ad vantage. It was a mistaken notion to suppose that the English intended to enter Persia by crossinie the moun tain range to the east of Bushire, which Sir 11, RAw. linson comdderad more impracticable than n"""" Monteith appaarpd to do, and would he raid, present P. most formidable barrier if held by a wallike enemy. Be spike high!y of the Persian soldiers, but the officers were, he said, moat inn - impotent, as they were princi pal.y appointed from the menial; in the service of the Shah's ministers and favourities. Mr. LAYARD having been requested by the President to make sow observations on the subject, he entertained the meeting witltitn interesting illustrative account of his personal adventures in the country on the north of the Gulf of Persia, 'and. among the mountain tribal, with whom lie spent many months, having obtained the friendship of one of the chiefs. H e de• scribed these people as 'a superior class of men, though - somewhat given to thieving, and in his long intercourse with them they inanifeated great friendship for the English ration. The country along the western shores of the Gulf is inhabited by Arabs, who, on one on. casion, floo:led the country by cutting through be banks of the river; and Mr. Layard gave a very amusing ac count of his being obliged to construct a raft to float himself down the stream, and of his having fortunately floated into a palace built across a canal, whore he WO sumptuously entertained for many weeks; the whop ! adventure resembling a tale in "Th e A ra bia n Nighis; Before the close of the proceedings Sir Henry Rant linson was ca lied upon to ex dam the poSition of Herat. which he did very graphically, and observed that it would be impossible to reach Herat by the Persian Gulf ; tint there would not be much difficulty in taking it by a Bri• tish force marching from India. It would be impossible, however, for a British force to hold it without deporting all the present inhabitants of the country. Sir Henri Itaarlinson stated that Herat never bi-louged to Persia ; and it might, in fact, be more correctly stated that Per sia belonged to Herat. The country around it is one of the most fruitful in Asia, and could maintain .a large army for many months. The - meeting then adjourned till the 23d inst. Country Markets. LIVERPOOL-FEB. 10. The corn exchange this morning had a full attendant* of millers and dealers, who were buyers on reduced terms , . Holders of good wheat and Sour, however, were indisposed to concede much, if at all, and the business done at the close was called id per bushel decline on white wheat, but none on good fresh red. Good brands of flour were no lower, and uncertain qualities were difficult to move at variable prices. Indian corn was not in so much request to-day. and it was hard to support prices. Oats and oatmeal fair sale at late rates. Barley dull and lower. Bowl and peas both finis, but sales are only made in retail. HULL-FEB. 10. To-day we had a moderate supply of farmers' wheat in fair condition, and which met free sale at fully the current rates of last .market day. For foreign a very slow sale in• deed. airley neglected. Other spring corn unaltered• Linseed firm at last week's prices; but cakes, owing to th• weather, recede Ss to 10s per ton. Bones scarce, and much inquired for. 5 Si Wheat, English, red 56 to 5S Ditto white 6O to 63 Dantzie and Konigs: berg Pomeranianand Ham- S. • 'Peas, grey and black to - Linseed, Black Sea._ 68 to 70 „, Ditto Peteruburgh bi to 6 7 iDitto Riga and Arch _ angel burgh Danish, * Holstein and I DittOKonigeberg and Hemel 5O to 56 Friesland G4 to 58 Russian and Odessa 58 to 63 Oats, English Ditto Danish Ditto Friesland Ditto Russian 27 to 30 Barley, malting Ditto grinding 35 to 38 1 Beans 4 Ditto foreign to 4 2 501 Peas, white and yel. 40 to 4211 Per Tea Linos., Hull 010 d to 11112 , 6d Ditto fine for. 91 Os lit 55 Od ; Ditto inf. for olos Od to COO Rapeseed OOl Os to 001 ON I Rapo cakes —5 Od to 130 s 0 1 )Tares, English Ol to ; Ditto foreign )Guano OOl Os 81 to 13110 5 Bones —6 o,i to —3 Od :IFlour, per brl. 355 38i LEEDS, FEB. 10. We have a tolerable show of wheat, the condition gene• rally is very bad ; there is a rather improved Amnia; ill ,the trade for good dry qualities, but the rates of Friday 'cannot be exceeded, and inferior sorts are still difficult to place. Barley slow, prices unaltered. Beans inquired for. Other articles as before. Average prices of grain—Wheat, 55a 2d ; barley, 4 66 8c1; ante, 2 t.. 9d ; beans,. 41e lid ; peas, —a Od -.7. 7 8.1- = - LOOAL, SHARE MARKETS. LIVERPOOL, FEB. 10. • STOCK EXCHANGE. The market is steady, at a Blight improvement in quotation% Blackburn, 83—Caledonian, 314 4—Eastern Counties, 91—Lancashire .and Yorkshire,. 97 74—London, B r i g ht on an 3 South Coast, 108—London and North Wester 9, 10S 4—Manchester, Sheffield, and Lincoln, 344 _Midland , ii-- North Eastern, Berwick, 214 —South Eastern, 224 4—butch Rhenish, par—Grand Trunk of Canada, 12k. . BIRMINGHAM, FEB. 10 STOCK EICHASGR. —Basinescwas slack in this market to-day, but prices are firm. Great Western Birmingham Guaranteed Stock closed at 76 76a—London and North Westerns, 1061 4 1 —Midlands, 82} ; and South Utaffordso 9i. MANCHESTER, FEB. 10. 'STOOK EXOLIANGE.—There was a &En business, a ini• proved prices. Manchester Fire Assurance, 7i p.—Lesdv. 97i—Shatlield, 341 —Midland, 82t—Dover, 22i—York Capital St oc k, 30i—Great Western, 67/—East Lancashire, 20i—London Stock, 1014—Lancashire Insurance, par - Lancaster and Carlisle, 69. LEEDS—FEB. 10. ST Joie EXCHANGE.—MidIand, 82}—Leeds and Yorkshire Insurance, 34 - Lancashire anti Yorkshire, 96i—North Eastern (Leeds), No, 1, 11. 6s. 3d. p. 00IIESB OF BICIIANGE.--YESIEEDAY. , msterclarn.. 11 5 Gibraltar •• •• •• •• Ditto, three months .. 11 IR Leghorn .. •• •• ..• 29 43 , Rotterdam ............ 11 181. G enoa ..... •• •• •• 3 6734 kntwerp . .......... 25 35 Milan ... •• • .... - Brussels 25 35 .. •••••• lamburgh 13 714 Naples •. •• .........• .. 43% Worm• ........ •• •• Palermo .... 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