The Sun. — London, England, 1817-04-29 00:00:00

• • lintys r $n cottfi,!e4 :hum oil exercised so as toxbeck the gteaOti 'Kea admitted it was al illipossil I • ven to sit t se stick} a constcuction 1p,1! "gi therooo. Act as hail been put upon it 4kltates in - the case in 'question. He 4) ±rev.er it,was now,high•Jinte that Itl state wh at were their sentiments c ) ;. "b !vet. 'mot now mean to "In d 111 " e" Al kighttrates who h a d so overstep ' "ce , kmd 4s he thoi,ght (heir duty,, or that, twey tneant to tr ansgress t h e l aw 'lel certain ci reinustatices, 'persons in their we re likely to give alaw that Conhtritc „.miley ttionglit would b e mast. agreeable ill opposition to that which e tlietMed tO thew by their more sober uld ask if a la •v like this ought left tc► the discretion of the,Nlagistrates '(,,(lebrated llteat rimiember what ware he.words Lo rd'Alansfield o n t he su bj ect i( sc~"tit eittriisted to Nfirgi,strat es. " The t!cisetl in a Court of- Justice," 9, 4 !` a discretion grounded in law, tide, and tint by lin:flour, %.vhich decisions come to, to he arbitrary, ' 4 ' 11 ." lir : the 'present instan c e, ultaliett place he maintained.to have 11 ,I!.!ite, and 't h anciftti,--and calcu 7 th'e bei! pi:ivilegei of 'Englishmen in 're liot,properlv 'nut in the first itt ttist,(l N iinisters,.would now state (! heel ' totally inistinderstood by the It • this weile not done; he' (Sir 4,441(1,th-en give: no t i ce o f a mot i on )fitiv; ill to explain the said nothing 'of what had been Alines, but from the Statement il ,l je jti"o, and thtref could pot l(►j un the prop r i et y o f "'heir conr I.4 irtg what reasons they Might yWith the' Society . in lite" i°" , \4 1 ,1, takili g rile alleeatitot cont4hl o o "s foam! it, t h at if the,Ai'lgi i * 11:!'nlIt 'the" Acr tv,is intencl , d to put Rtr •they had misunder wished thy :exercise of the Vi'l9l,lgiitrates (ob' regulated by r Lirri that 8111)- H fl 4,1 quoted by the 'Hon Blt curt WnS intended to,leayel.‘‘ it h l 'l l - 0 Y passed, wits only : g iV"l I" ~;„"11":isro! enabling them to Wl' (I °`"' which %vete the • etton, and, not to put down all tvliattv er ignorant of • the Inv rit. of tile (N ett 7 0, 1 t lidsd tall e w from t.ie lei ' i hoped 'Ministers would think ii~r9rder 'to Asper' sin. what • Pirc . ''• l o , 411 the MagistrersT ;„,.; " 1 I,' • 41 1..4 if t ' Pl iti'l perSODS OOt eti . y ( v :red t , s ' ► • the lueatts they sAight t)v the sumo itt r „ • )e .oppi,•,se , tv Vl4 [l t t : " I "I I V. some me.vora ought • lacveut. tire ..At being thus mis . • ,i ,h zto • io Feitot.thrmixitt ministers: could not ; tiiill'iLlit''''li to account for 'heir conductt , s h r , '' , 4 ,k t tl , - :, l' I ve ), their own hen ' s .' 4 44 ,7 lIT i''Y tlirtll)attenArci.. This might Serve kt . to li e iii .I.'hj•l'"g'it:;ft,'''v emulous theY.'"4— i he 'l'",,,,q.''trt. it discretion which mig 1t : ''''hie 'll ill e 11. 41.. of men like the Right . :: ril ' l ' l i g, t 'llierBBl l l) (l‘li... Bait!' tirsi!),reBll:o(litahrlys 6. 4'htild p-ottl Aiii.ten), tins ( Ise 1 1 1 I. t 4 64fe. It would not be exerted :}0 %t,,4`,8 hi the case nr"v'br"igit *boorst 1 4 , ) 1"r tnieli men (lie named th,t-n,2_,,... ~,,, r ii „ c•• ► . Il e ' ~ ,,4 11 otr I'voitam Dottiville and John l t . 1 , t o . i • no man :It ~ ii ii , i ~ .eito the . Act aS ciereopan ~,r..)„ th.:l.l.ottglit of doing. and_ • I k'ltitil'itti,,, 4,:t0.11 which was fina l, a nd ee 7h1,!,!..1 i , i t 'ii tilt, kgrieved without a rein ty . 0 - ; 4 i 1),,,, 1i e 'vita put such a construct ion to I '"ls t , 'l4l had occasion to apply 41'94 ,Ishiiitert-;;(1,) whom they thus s°Lighttb°eirtleirts: it' ll . ve '. that. ;Ministers woul d At "Iltdieation print;. made. as b y ki • i . b e . :- .the judielal „ 9 ', ~i ti`:l,l)l*('Svilli where `"` lied in ti rite,; th,,.,‘, Ila:;istrates were ea . o ~ made . ' Phi, ''''oninit-tited on the effm -- ..,1 ' 111 ; ' At " into t• for fliug a l ti.N..ett4 „ 4_ an ent,,tne 'II now I)vett li ti '. t til . ,,,,, ,i ' i " I which hatt:ll A ittl 4 l 4 ,.‘ii i il 4 the seminaries of instruction, ,. 16 13 4 l' stthser‘ient to . 0 :4 1 lie, -Itiirtietthirir tillUtteti to the ~10 4 t 1t,...iy ti le 1• the'ptirpost,s ' ' ' te- Chanct.llor of - Cam... j4it,14114.,1 nveasion„ wh o , s i nce the passing 1, 4 2 4 1 y r," " slop to thost• debates- which 7F;itit.l,:..'l,lllll()li at that 1/nivel.s43?' and ‘:A.tvitil . I '' 110 Stiettipt having I t been' made Pl ' t ettee so laudable and so lase tih'itit:,... (-•91 Iv ; 11i 48' then read aod ordered to be ;,,I'-',ti,..5,„,- • , i'o„.,,,i'S'Ai' IllitmlN6llASl., 11"'ei t i >i• thiit he hail 'often i , ,". t .,1 to . ,412 conveyine the etittiplaillts '"'' 11i14",,,, .'"'!lvett; in 0 - , - ' '' ' fie now' L. 1,,, „ t: 0 , lits House. .. i i , t. tk,4, ,i.t 4111. . I's ttitty :Mor e th an evt.l ii,:tigmoci he beld'itt his hand a Petition, , ,1,1,4tt(i 1Y livorlykthv whole population i l ic't tile .1 : 1 "I iitrittittghato, and gave Al,c-IP -41 1„4, shockm., d-. t ,:. ' Witht)tit (e li ti er 1 :t, . 4 , 1, IS rt. sl.es.. ~ , , Viort 041,„,,,4‘,, ;,. been givell..thtl'll"'"" tt ' . li i , i f.'i signatures in the space (4 4 i t Ptlrt ''' 4' (13Yfl after t or that 12,000 ICl 'll ° it* All " e - b• is t . ' ,i , 11 ti,d, these.were mita Han ttkkir, eilts y. illitl" care t%lB- taken, that ill.,t4.ll4:pnitil(l ' . lOl .the Ile'titiOn . These' ,1,•1',41`‘,. :hitter brk:on'd '• I • resent - ~1 .Iq, ni tit , ~ •• 1 er‘t as rt.p , 11: 1.e1,, 41 70;000 individual. TheY /I't.'ll4' 0 14 (i 13S "tr(;1-ii)g undet-a degree of 41,v44! 11.1e144iiflicillg to desimir ihe 4%;CrAgC I I ii 111 ht i ,u'ir•!ites for thellisekWVlVe 04 t it liiNt ~'1111)gg in -44 e pound ; 'the c'tti,„):t 1,1,',1,x niont.-tWelve shillings; 5),4,411iii- 'tie last two- or three weeks tit'llUio/,'!iig.Bl.va_ntl fo;irpence. 'fitere:wai 1 ‘1 4 ,, e iit, , o e elt in -poor.rates, above 'v,,i (,Its',, I vo t ,i j ,f, ;:' IP pay the seats. 'lids rNi ilCuppo:,il:),e itiflicittn'ti) . point . out t:i,tii e ctii t ~.!,, thit the poor of the t,1',1,,,ii kx,-1,, ‘til by the issue of aluillion 44; yeilic.l"ec Hills, A slim of near Illeilitth.‘"11(1 be want td 'Or the • -• ale, ,• ... • -.- ~.. - Alt Ile tviancti di, fore to 11;( , T it expla:otol :o hint el, couid the poor of Birmioghain mie;-ive from the portion of the million and a half thist was likely to fall to their share. Indeed, nothing but some great, permaoeut and salutary measure could have any effect in relieving the 113(i011 front its dis tresses. The Petition was then brought up, react, and ordered to lie on the table. EISEMOSYNARY GRANT OF' EXCH,tQUER 8114 LS. On the motion of the CHANCRLLOR of the EA,. CHEQUER, the whole flonse resolved -itself into a Committee, to consider time propriety of a grant of-Exchequer Bills, fur the relief of the lahouring classes of society. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHIiQUBIt then pro ceeded to a detail of the measure., but in . a tone at voice so low that we could do little more than guess at the drift of his proposals and resolutions, and arc therefore doubtfel as to time accuracy of Our statement. The first resolution t.,t he pro = Roset) for the opinion of the corninitee was, " Viat Exchequer Bills, to an tonormt not exceed ing one million and a half, be advanced to' cet tail) CoMmis3ioners for Great Britain, to hedistribmo ed at their discretion towards the relief of the. pool's' rates, by the encouragement' of industry and employment of the poor in public avorkS of uti• lity and li)heries. becurity for repaynient: to be taken from .the pours'-rates of the districts an which such monies might be advanced. 1 re !And was under circumstances somewhat different out those of the rest at the Empire, and he should therefore submit' a second Resolution fur the opinion of the Committee,'" That time Lord Lieutenant of Ireland . should ,issue time .sum of 250,0001. Irish currency, from the Consolidated Fluid of that country (repayable .under certain securities), for the employment of the poor, in rite. encouragement of poldie works and fisaertes.!' On every former occasion of an advance made by Government towards alleviating the digr, ss Of any community or district, the advance had been preceded by inquiries into the nature and extent of the distress prevailing,.. and of ' the relict re quirtd. Under peseta. eircem,tauces, milmap pily, such proceedings were altogether utineces:- Nary, and the house was but too welt ed with the nature amid' extent :or the : distrait prevailing, by -time tnitnerOns;Peti - ions dint were lying otr the•tahle, a , nd' by the labours 'of the committee of last Session and the present. On other occasions advances 'had been. made towards the completion of great liithu a works which- were likely to' prove, of publielienefit ; but the Irresent proceeding was somewhat different trom mil/ tied had preceded it -,;• for mime Commlisiouems were not only-intrusted with the•distribiithm of money they wet e th.arg - eil with, and the compli.tion of pehlie w;-rkt, but 11;0 . were ,;Iso to have under their Consideration the effect which \the works theto- - s'elves Weiold tits niOntent have oti the lahonr-, in t ; -class'es ; their 'object . , therefore, was of a 6m:unheated nal el•--the utility of the woek, affil the peospeet of 'benefit to those employed. Timere were a varlet Tor peblic workS char had received the snoctiiimeot Parliament, such as barhomirs,.eanals, roads, amid the like; that languished and stagnated iron the want of capital for . 'their 'completion and applications were frequently made to Par-: !lament by time prionoters of such untkit,akbigs, 10v contci , autlOicoil of the public money. What ever aid .Parliament might neow nffoLd, Was to he •Submitted — to the of. Commissioners wholly unconnected with Gpveromeor: the sums advanced were to- be placed with them, and they would teceiviapplications from Corporations, or other bodiet eoncethed in p.mblic works,• such as . roads, canals, ham-hours, bridges; and ale like : and as it might be' thought • advisable that this:grant should not be confined merely to undertaking.) that had, received a Parliamentary sanction, the fisheries might also be encouraged, and afford em ployment to se:inlet' who were now destitute of any means of support. At all events, much would be gained it great works of utility or ornatirent could be brought to a completion, 'without loss to time public, Of which the example of former grants, and the interest to he pistil under a proper security, afforded a reasonable hope. „In Ireland, where there was not the same facility of lending money on Government paper, and where great works were commonly effected,at the public ex pence atomic, it might lie, deemed more advisable to place a sum in time, hands of the Lord Lieute nant,. and avoid the difficulties that would 'attund selection of Commissioners. With respect to the agricultural portions of the commenity,:•be had never thought that any assistance -of this kind could avail to them. Theit necessities were fur greater than could be embraced by any relief this sort, and their interests so widely extended, Ow 'it was hardly poslifile to conceive a case in Which Parliament could advance' to their assist. anea . .• finked,. he fencred that such au advance would only haVe time effect of- increasing their pOor-rates, by making diem constitute a part at time Wages of labour. On those act:omits, a general re lief‘oi the agricultural distress did not form ,a part of the 'present 'plan, which he thought not likely to have any . elleo in ,increasing the poor.rges„..... The amount to be granted to any district on the, credit of those rates, was not to earteed half the,-rate , of the limit year, and no advance was -to be Made untiilhat rate doubled the omount.of the average of the three preceding years :- but thougli 4ie comild not promise.l gem:111110cl to theogre. cultural interests, be should have been sorry not tO have laid -before the House, some Measure Which prOnliSeil Pconsideritble assistance to a portion of time nr.iv deprived of 'eteployment. Undoubtedlythe.,disruess of thos.e dasses),#od of the manufacturing districts, even frooi -what they had heard in the Petition presented by the lion. Gjentlentatt opposite, claimed the Mbst ertOus etten lion of the Legislature, end every effort that could lie . niatte for its alleviation. The distresses ;at Bir 7 greatlyoccasioned minghatn, iOparticillar,lmad . . by the change, which hard 'terminated the operation of war. The manufacture al small arms was pecu liarly affected by the sntideo IronsitiOn. The ma' nufacturers had nmncle 3,000,000 stand of arnls itt.a year. There could, therefore, be nu wonder at the. cOccis of siich a loss'of trade es had been oc•• 'efilimed• Iu looking into the accounts, it ap peared that the official 'value of exported steel and iron iri 1814 was -1;094,0004.1 in 1815,- it :wet `1,027,000/. ; and in 1816, 1,074,000/.1 The eft- ported hardware in 1816. Was . 70,0001. odd, nlinnt tier Cent. short of 1815. i'Le. real di Oen - titan of trade, it :wrothd appear, was not in the regular forc;go expOrtlitiOnS, but chief -ly arose, from the necessary loss of the manufac ture of arms. It was the opinion of many per• sons conversant with the affairs of Birmingham, that a temporay relief, by the advance 30,0001. or 40,0001. would be productive of much be befit. Noble examples had been given by indi.; viduals in the means of relieving the distress bitt the exertions of private benevolence, however praise -worthy, must necessarily have. their li mits. He bad a strong _impression of the dif ficulties of particular towns ; but there were many, other places which required att en ti on .— He had therefor e 'th oug h t it More advisable to subunit a resolution couched' in . general term 4, which Might embrace all cases of real difficulty, with a view to guard against error and'oversight, and to render the application of relief as extensive 'a i m' beneficial as ,possible. The measure, how vvr, as to its efficacy, must depend considerably on details. He must add, that he felt it Would be presumption' in him to think of.proposing the measure at first, Widen any idea of its being pet . - feet. He hail only trotibled the House with his ideas on the subject, and he trusted they would in due time meet with proper consideration and deliberation. He .thon4ht that Friday sennight might be• a proper day for considering the (loca tion, or some other day in that week, if it should seem convenient. He then moved a resolution, that it was the opinion of the Const»ittee, that Counwssioners !should be enabled to is:in: 1,400,090/., in, Excheyter Bills, -under Certain litnitattUns, for• the furtheranee of public works of utility, the encouragement of the fisheries, and the employment of the poor, • for a tune to .e li• mited, seeuri ies being giveo for,the advances. Mr. Potasotaav did not rise with the view of differidg from the Chancellor of the txchequer ; but he, thought the Right Hon. Gentleman haul made a material omission in the exposition of his measure, by tot particularizing the mde - for the re-payment of the advaitert. It might have escaped his memory to, state more precisely the nature of the -securities, and the time to be The CFIAPICELLOR oaf the Exc r. nu nR observed, that those arri.igements might he' matter ',far future consideration .1 but he had no difficulty in Saying, that his view was, that the advances should be repayable in 1820 by instalments,. it . ) be settled by the .Commissioneta according to, the circumstances of the eases: -In advant es made tot the proailaion of send public works, there might pr o l t adi, he a faytlier extent of time allowed,. Ile shituld'propose a elmtse to'meet •81111 ell 6ses,' ing Mn extension of theee yeara mote. It Arasfiti ,intention that Oie rate' of the. Exchequer:lAN should be as it now is. lie had ,endeavoured .to follow the mode adopted on former occasions of advances. As tointhlie . works the Connuissioners cook! not be called upon, except wheti they ; were of public utility,.and when security was given by individuals. That security was most likely tir,he found among the proprietors of such works or undertakings. Mr. Biqa:E. expressed his regret that the night Honourable Gentleman's plan of relief did not ex tend to agriculture, which claimed the first con sideration of Parliament, and. Tess certainly tie serving of" neore attention than either manufacto ries or public works. For as to the former, they wotild, mid they ought to : be left to find their own level, while as to the latter they were gene rally more ornamental than useful!. For example, great sums were expended in Ireland in construct.' ing grand canals, instead of intproving the-natural navigation of that country, or in making other improvements, of which that, long neglected coon-' try was known to he susceptible. But,the provemeut of the land ought to be the main e'on sideration, and e the landed interest notoriously suffered the,greatest, distress both in England and Ireland. Yet the Right Hon.. Gentleman's plan evinced no attention to either, although-land , was lhe source of all our' wealth. Altbough if the, lauded interest were depresse d , comm e r c e mis -of no avail, and %II our public works. mast becotne'l comparatively useless.. Mr. 1 ) 1111.14PS contended, that What the filAllll* facturers wanted was a. atarket 'for their goods.-- This found, their distress; would cease ; h-nt thought no ,relitt would, be afforded by the pla'n of the Chancellor nrthe Exehequer dcoied that the distress arose wholly from temporury causes, and declared. himself Of. opinion, thdt., in the present situation of the country, person!, would not be totind to . step . for Ward to offer security for . Exchetver; issued which the !light lion. Gentleman uroposed to require.. Cie considered the present,plau, if carried into effect, to he likely to letultOendlei t i •Mr. GREW/ELL wished to'kuout in what . 'ihtett'• 'her abet advaneet were.to be made, and sogOested the expediency of issuing small bills of, 1001. even - 5C This he 'thought would be the meatus of causing thent,to be More generally diStlibuted throughout oml:tummy , The CIIA:NCLILLOIL. Of the Excitr,Qusa , , agreed with the'last` speaker that the issue of small hills might ansWertitany n4efol purptises. 'He briefly defended the plan . . in reply to the:lion. Gentleman who had ohjecteit to, .it .{Mr. .Phillips), and sr , ghe d t h at a s un,inconvenieueehmt been,foond,to arise out of the . intertuediate security required tu 1793 and 1811, none was to be apprehended now, • Lord ARCRISALD lIAMILTON asked some guts t concerning parochial rates-and in Scot - Lica ) , and the Chancellor' of the Exibequer g eve some explanation; . Mr.. LAMBE was desirous that th e measure 'should go to the public as A measure for employ : . anent, and nor for relief. That should be distinctly explained, and not left to Vague rumours ; other wise vain delusions and prodigality Might be ex cited. He supposed the Commissioners would feel theinselveasbound to take good securities. ritltials : might break,,.and yet the parish-rates m i g ht remain liable. Great burdens too ,tnight fall on landlords, ifs:occupiera made mortgages without their landlorilti consent. Lord COCEPANII thought the plan wholly use, less. The people were borne down by ours, and co w on ly be relieved by the diininution of the National Debt. The advance now to be made lit One million and a half was contemptible, when tile Poors' limo amount annually to 12,001),0091. — lie insisted upon it relief was only to be hoped for rums diminishing or ennibileting the Nationa Debt. To v; ipe out the svlo : dc of it won. Hut make the mono! poorer ; it was quite a del. , itos to talk of its being an injury to the eoentry. and rt his opinion there would be nothing fratelide such a measure. All other classes bait b. en de- pressed, a d why-Sloteld not the'nodholder surfer with the rest of the 'rommitititv ? Mr. I i nNSONBy thought, t h at to .1 , good the measure mast be quickly adopted He would them fore throw no obstacle in its pre, t proi.t4ess. iVhat he had beard this night bad convinced ',inn that the Honse would not be able to (feeule otl the merits of the question till the Bill was brought in. At that time only Could thy suhject be properly considered, and be would then do it with the most sincere wishes th•at the elan might prove as advantageous it was intend e d. : H e hoped, however, that because he should not op. pose the Resolutions or their being reported, : he would not he regarded as bound to Support the measure itself, if, alter due consi , ieration':. he should find that it was not entitled to his i•ippro bation. The CHANCELLOR of the Excontattee thooked the Hon. Gentlemen for his catolimr, and shonld not consider the House pledged by this first step to the ultimate itdoption of his measure. Mr. PONsoNBY thought that there Mut some. thing so' agree .ble in the idea of being able to re- Here the distressed, that it would be.the worst thing a Member could do to oppose the itair its pr.,- , ..ent e; Lord sitt.Tosi coositlered it nece•yarr Thar fmth the House and the country.should molerstei d plan. Whet had Nitro that evening ts.un he Chancellor of 'the Excliegoer must iindec , iVe t' who hooded that the measure WAS distended gesie. rally for the relief of the comurv. It le.w ap peared that It would only relieve per , ons so 4illl. and as to avail tbemsclvis of any public e irk carried on in their neightionrhood, and in which the poor rates had Item raised above the level of the sane) measure lie slid not thlnk the intention of the plan Could' be artamed, its mar kets, and not capital, ere wanted. The inoh'ey thus !Tidied would only serve to make iocur apark!) debt, as the country had a national one. He recommended that the presets! Resolu tion should 'be divided lute, taro part(, in (inler that whatever portion of it should he ailop t should pass with the greatest possible toiailimiiy. Sir toeßTote BUYINIRS was only ail and I hut !he meesere proposed would not go, ler enough in the way of relieving the poor. Sir J. NEWPORT seggested, that n didivulty might arise from the operation of the power of Extents -on the part of the Crown, on the pro perty of those whti would make theMselves re sponsible for the sums lent to ass , ciations iota parishes; If extents in aid were so formidable to men velto,stabjected themselves' to them an their own account, how lunch more so' would it lint prove to these who would have to incur their pe ril for the sake of others. • He iiiiderstood that one of the • main objects of the me-tame wits to assist the canal navLation of theeountry. But, suppose 'that' persons • engaged in a c a n a l s h ou l/I apply tor, and obtain assistance from the fund proposed, the Crown would become then one of the ereditors of the enneerti, acid iu case it sinnilti fail, : would sweep the whole of the money, to the ruin of . the private creditors. •Ha hoped that would be guarded against.. 'He Only wished t'o facilitate, not to defeat the plan. The CRAM:BLUM of the EXCNRCiURR stilted, that the danger apprehended by the Right Hon, liaronet would be found not to exist, as n pr.,Vt sion had been introduced into one of the clauses of the Bill, to prevent:llle Crown from heyitig more power over the •efferta of any onsttecessttil co.n.ei a titan other creditors. Atter a few words from Mr 13"bingtnn, the Chancellor of the Exchet)tter, and Mr. Hall, Mr. LYirrLaToN contended, that the !light +lon. Author of the filpfl bad assumed two points to which he was . not entitled. First, that this, preient distress was Occasioned 'by want tA eapi. lel, whilst it Was the cOnsequence of want of eni ploymeet to render the exissisig capital produc tive. Secondly, that retell raid linens COuld - ea. Idly be procured. If roads were undertaken,. they would not pay. It would tre the saltie , Wilh Oridges 4 1 0 a canal', As to assisting patishes, when pa. - HMI Nods-were inAinost a .state of tinnkrintey, then tky.were. to he taken us seenruy Whtat sytttpettut by personal seem sty, did its extend to real oropertvl Hr reared , his wo , ,ltruerave ills sor3•, unless it cool(' render work Prothictieei ot make tuarket higher. 111 r, C. GRANT thollOt that the first question was to ..relieve the,great number of pertons, wird vere. in danger of actual starvation. This relief would come better itu the shape of encouragement to labour, then in that of gratuitous charity. it would keep op,the moral babits'and the industry or the people ; at the same time that it would not ovei load the market by too largely inereasiog the :meows - . Sir M. W. -Rinee'Y wished to know, whether, when money should be lent:to:Parishes for Mite Wprks, , personal security would be required in ad dition to Out of the Poor Rates. He also in tittired„ whether the ~Commissioners Who should have, the application of theninney, should receive sularies.out of ;the fund itself ? • ,The cussteet,Lort of the ExCHEMItta was un derstood to State, :that personal security would be resjaired iii addition lo that Of the poor rates. As . to the second.'.question, in .former cases:Gentle« men had liberally, come forward without any /au, to manage die concerns of the poor. He hoped such conduct would be repeated. Mr. Bitooostssi objected :to the manner In' which the money was tolte4pplied. It was in tended to set men at work to carry on public un tlerttakings. But what kept . public works at pre- sans front going on Nor the want of capital ? was.. afraid i t mil_ the want of demand for such mi te s . The 1,500,0001. to be thrown Imo the sit rket would facilitate. loans and , bond s to carryon public works, and be more easily obtained. To that extent only Wtia the :metiatire likely to:yield relief, lint not many persons would be Willing to enter on important undertakings, especially canals; A few roads and bridges aright, he wanted; bites the utility of the former bad unused them tai be< executed even in the midst of our diffract', very few wink! re. 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