The Sun. — London, England, 1817-05-06 00:00:00

e ~;I nt f l thif the Tythe Leasint till was post , 111i1 finiritlay neXt•• Af t S.IV 11ANk5to trteitie conversation between Mr. Rose, Sir Lonbe, Air. Brawl, Sir C: And Gen. Thornton, the further coniii 4i the Repoil of the Cotiitnittee.do'B3v• tugs Pitt off to next Wedneslitty. 7'oi< VIE CONINiITTEE OF ,FINANCE. ,ILatir Moved that the.,Honse resolve cAntnnittee of the whole House; tO the 1" ! 1:s t R eport of the C ittee of own) that the leave thi 19410845 t eitpressed his hope, that at. the House r eso l v itself into it lei it -""." not be prrkrented 'front en tity merits of the rubble' tinesti(m* Ltilityr W as understood to agree with end Leqrned, (4eutleman. . quits e having then resolved itself into a • fit s 32 aT rose to call the attention ,Of ' t ee to th e First 'Pittance Report, and t() bring in Bills to carry its reCOlll. into effect. The lion. Gentleman lots tone of voice, scarcely a . "" Kallery,) Was UlliderStOoll to say, tuat eeilsidered Sinecure Places as blots 'es in the Constitution of the Conntry. irinly Supported the measures propos abolition by an [lon. Friend of his. 1 fle partic u l ar ly disapproved of It }j by Deputiei, and of giving•Sioe lii,' wh ich carried a s e mbl a nce of ditty. naklit that the ur mint; of offices in re 'Ali abuse which tended to increase the tuni!lie Public. li e conceived that the adopted in consetinelice of the Ire of the Committee would give ge l'eti,"ll. He th en move d, th a t the b e "irected to move for leave,to bring 41 '° 11 sit the Offices of Warden and /ti 'ts in Byre, North and South of .4.1. implored th e [l ouse to enter with step into so serious the was aware that a it meastire as would be t ti l ia . t e lu e eriiiinds that the influence of the II be i liatinished, and that the financesl I were in a state which required i t i l e t Ilun lY• But he did 'Hot believe I 4 0 ; c'f the CtOWII was too great• At n : t 4e e.li less considerable than at pr . e l : ' e 'er had so good, or as might be said, l'l't'4l) l l e i tiOnse of COminoni sat wham 11 .,:', ? Ile pro posed measure tended to 111- itilltien l ee ).- of the Crown which hail I , recognised as not .itt.iarinnt to t . h t e , 4 : "efil :vas a point which he should Y._ "Sct)t chtitan if lie did not nOtiee• f‘r . 0141.,• , few o ffices bad tu c it. two countries tat t i t i nse f e w trete ilk Scotland, an d -4 --.:. i g o f their at' They T hey were mentortai- _c the -!lttleoce, soothing to the pride ni 4411 „ . h e respected. 4 U g 4 t. therefore, to . ... it ittletahlure lunched on one . office.to t r s el ' i l i c o n ve 1,04 1 , 1 , „I ' I ) " . Wer of Great Britain i i k , i4 i n itice.Ge tt e ra l, which was Pr el e r " '4•11 1 article of the Union. . lie thou g ht fi ilti:ll4.lntterotis to the Const . it . otioi t t o , and 4'e: il 'nos!. decided opposition II Cite t not one of those %lint ih, , I,I;,, ltttAott was . t. Crown in i : ~,, ~,,,} Ili, pitronAge of 11.)e the tear, 11 " ,, ,„'''t e t , 1 ". ‘t'llielt had gr own s with it'..,' ll to „,,'''.nly to be reduced at peace, ''`re 'ln that ti at atronage h A were d became ''' ll , 4 411 fli t „ 1 , P • his enavic ik 1 th e co Present (lay. it ..°`l 9 it;" (1 tiL ni u tt dry, that the current of years __ e, N, 'i . lo a d restraints on that patron-age. lie?, t l llO ll 1 t hat no case had been t , , %l oot. g it, i ~ of hi ~,/,. .11, 1 ,/ hilt! ;, a ll Hottotirable Friend lila to" 4 1 tile s nrodaeed a motion for its !ethic" tt,klir l `4B,inas lig°•lie had consetrently A_ li t ., tt iii4t t ' . A the firittottrible i who 1 notion. ..s to Yille 444 3 N 3 keti last, and had stated, Al, ... , L Y ini„ l , 'lston of the present measure :tie Itli, 'I t tb e b t ., ~ , . g ,e yearn %vitt! 1 11 I,) til. , titirenen in.rit . ‘ , ~ . , , tt,r , tl- 1 „ t. iitnolinuof . 9 7 0001. And in thirty il t tli f ' 4 in) nmti - 1 - ' have read 6in of ) ,-.. Lie must not s , _. r ttstiiltrnil.)ll.,,,thv C olmnittee attentively.' r . 0 f i Ni)tp l - j 1 a uet:111111 t , to the Bill pi oposell, 'i r ' rr Yl k ,; o l : i t tit' dil-ee . to a greater itininitit 0 , as the 101130114 pounds, 'or ra9ler 4t"tlt4l,l),l).thes' . 0 00.1. formed`-ati eXCeptiOrt• k t 4 t it t‘ . , f ; il"fil*e• ' The' presumption even t h et "tl never rise above 30,0001. It is nye t i .. • . : Sltv t l lnit 1, 11 ' 1 '; end of rtvelve yeats that pelt:. k i l'i(l.4it, e.rnotiot could , he inexistence. % I. tri,if; o e .t "try the measure if ft were one , iii(legee.it the patronage of the Crown in tr4tivi, e i t n deprive it of ' , the power of re:. t o te e i t 3 ' . Arid there WnS tt feeling in the . NI 4 'ttt 'if I i 4i 0 atiti flit: le measure were only one ot ev f:, , , l tina 611 'IN te tt Oftill ti to replace' the 'Cr k, , , t e,; al 01. _tccertaln degree of patronage, to t il li ti wro'll: tittitiltions made, it would (e -!""1 4‘rt lie.i;, l l ll . ne ilde. It 'WAS impossible not :!11, 4 1 , ( ' (li e ho ' dic mind hod been . poisoned with ~,,o , if til utleac' 61 the crow n . , end the be' t'' l;i t I leen re ‘ $ 1. i . i t ,. e y 1,, g v-re anolisn e l, relief would tttl N;(41 ( taci t) th e c I the Oh )111,1_ ountry ton tin , 'inee qte ;., . rentaved. Nothin was to i iit 44.c h'i t t, r iru est fiblishing the systemof 44 ,. h t . r1 4 e x P , c t'tn *the higher offices, than st iv tiadg In'snitg then) to the suspicious ~o f tl( titt ' IL ' to 'tl • ' sl,l l lrtt t et i l 14 Itiltin g „as le motives by which they I tt ci , t , -le C.,,, , .- -tee. It Wdl on that ao -1 n tke or oitinitee fixed two years as the 111.4441,,,1tt re,.4eyrice at which _person s in high k 1 441 11' 11 )4 4 8-4 ,l * :t e t i t te hj le f il l Bl.a nSi , . On this general 4t ; fit t neet ~ . tit anxious that the Rica ‘lilt(i)ll' lie t h' tvlt h ihe approbation of the 411,1 ) . Ib t • ik 1.,?1101t tite4 110 indiViillllll MO 4, 4 1 °. ei to :idler(' motion Of it similar kind k i, ,i I st (I, .lnecent measure ' 1 r should Il , i,, leid.„l.._ . • 1:241.,. (; ItA , s , " auppoit, •t ) 1 : 1 . 1 '" 11l or ' t l ,, c an't' not agree either with .„'') 1 1 th i?, (. 't L. earned Chairman (Nlr. 1). '4.!'4{lti'.', tl„,,wirinnlis evhieh they had ex illitititt,.'llint. it ~', I . that when this.measure was ci t y .toki ini t i ght it t,::.04111 refieCt no credit on thoSe :'l4",lllty, 1,14,12,_"rti. um! yie Id ilosatisfaction i t Itch i„ 1,1 v t‘johle Lord had 'revealed the e t 1, 4,4 'i'::::(I hint to stippott that tne±g '., t9t ;1 1 c (,:! '" 3 e it tended to diminish . '?i or to tttf.i- )Icto il o4 ; . "Purt Lon. At 141 tlii ~I ` l ll t ce w 1; 44 Polt.r cr. 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I , t 44: 4C 4 ')16 1 i 44 i Ist; Nee' to ; , 1 'Tor be bad trvOtVed' that It Woidd do neither; but becutie, the Public mind had o been,polSoned with "respect , tiisiliectires,. and 'be htiPerl the, proposFd labolitiOn or correction, of a few . ; would rethoce - ,the impression. The Noble Lord ' thotighi,the :country would give hint credit. for a theasure.whieh neither tended to reduce the influence of the Crown ~ , . nor to economy, and he was glad•to citrry pll4lle faVotir by:taking advantage - of that feeling i,etiels of poison !—(Hear, he had represent eaas the effect hear !)---The Committee had been formed , ro ex 'amine into the incuuie and expenditure of the country. The Noble Lord himself bad some for ward to prove its necessity, and toalemstild inquiry hat° the Finance of the State ; but 'bat was in or der to take tie itivestig,ttion in his o - rti . hands.--- , ( Hear i hear!)--.Tba t.C.'animittce had nowsat wit pin three days of 33 months, .and what had it produced ? . After its log period Of gestation, and many I thrmcs, it' h'ad come down With the prestik Re port ! Ought •not its Menlbers to have first con sidered the income and expenditure of the Coon- . try, the branches which had failed, and those which bad iMptoverl, that the ITotise might . know the situatitin of the State ? But they had brought forth one, Report on Sinecures, and another on the Army EitittiateS. The next WOll,lll probably be on the Ordnance Estimates, and the last on the means of making the public income and ex penditure meet ! Was that what-onght to have been expected frOm such a Committee ? If the House ,had thont;ht that it - wool& confine-its la -boors to such objects, would it not have appoint- ed•anOtlier ?' As to the whole saving to be effected by acting On the Report, he would enable the Douse to judge, by giving the following short abstract of the Report :-4 reecimmt:tided the abolitiiM of twenty-eight ofteei in England, and eighteen in Scotland. By the abolition of these a .saving of 51,1781. annually would be made, and on this saving the Committee proposed to grant pensions to the amount of 3Q,0601. per aturnm• , •SO that the • utmost saving to the country which could he effected, even if all was done that the - Committee recommended, was 10,060/ a year. He did not wish to take a ,melancholy view of the subject, but he di.d.say'the present state of things could not last. When the situation of the GO- Vertiment came to be such that it could no longer 'rake the supplies necessary to Meet the expentli tore, it was quite:evident that some change in the system ,on which Government, acted- must take place. He did not'rise• to oppose the motion, for to hint it .was a matter of peqect indifference %che ater it was carried or whether it was lost. Bui he hnped he would 'tint find himself de ceived ; that the Noble Lord would not be re warded with the popularity which he seemed to exit, et &Out these measures.—aie Hun. Geittle tmut vat flow ri ►mid loud cheering from the Op puvitiou Itenehes Mr. littskissoN having been nne of those who ga%e hil St1111)011 in 1812 to a meastire of some what n similar nti ore to: that now proposed, erns, he contrsseil, ,4):orwhat onxioos to hear the tea sons of tho,c, who Hgreetl with him ii 1812, now agreed tti!ti the Ilob: Member for Corte Castle. (Mr. ltanket), in opp 'sine a similar . measure now, they now scented to think quite worth less. bite 111)1„ and Learned Gentle• man who spoke last, and who ugly ti day ago in tide his first appearance for this Session, was certainly not exactly the person to 1 relit a lesson oil the idleness of those who attended the Cornmittee whose report was now under their con. 8114 a latigh.)----As it scented to Ire' the place of the'Hon. Gentleman opposite to make an attack upon this report, they were pro. hably right to put forward the Horsortrable and Learned' Gentleman (Mr. ,11 P. Grant) to com mence the attack; for it would not exactly has' suited the Right lion. Gentleman (Mr. Ponsubby) to have followed the line of argument adopted by the Hon.'and Learned Gentleman. Ile well re . membered when this Committee Was ,first pro , pnied, the cry from the other sitle•tit the House %VAS, "Is COmmittee to inquire gene rally Into our financial situation---into the state of our inerinte and' expenditure ? If it be, it is un necessary, for that is What the House itself is,ca.; pableot doing folly and sufficiently, at any time', . without the InterventiOn Of a-Committee.'' These Gentlemen at that ante objected to the Com us tree, c,tt no - otlier'ground than that it merely in finite(' into general financial questions; that it WOUld not begin by inquiring what offices were unnecessary anti might be abolished consistently with the public service:-.4llear, hear, hear !.1)-;- , AVte&the-COmmittee was appointe&, the Gentlemen opposite, day after clay, were bring= ln:g down tO the notrie . Petitious agaitist . sinectires ; Pefitions'praying-that the whole system of sine cures might' be 'revised and abolished, and that then the people would bear their burdens with cheerfulness. The prayer of these Petitions, and the ntimber of them, skewed to what'ektent the minds Of'the people had been iatienced anti poi soned'oir this subject. Bia the Committee, in consideration, of the stateiof public feeling, and exervisitig that diScretion in the pursuit of their inrptiries whieh` every Comniiitee on such a sub ject, ought to have, did think that the inquiry sliould-not-begin-'with the general•financial inves tigations recontmended by .theAlottOurable.and Learned 'Gentleman. And :wily not B e cause on that part of the subject • twiner Commit tees' had already fully reported. The mon. HMI Learned Gentleman went into a minute criticism of the Report', but in •that he wda not quite fair. Nowr was there a measure brought forward more calculated , to 'attain the end in view than that now tinder eonsitlerat ion. The objections brought against it were perfectly. Itth iir. The- Uonotirable and Learned Gentleman (Mr. J. n -Grant) . Com plailied that a general statement of the finabcial situation of the country had not been brought forward, and .said it -might have been done with out going into the E,4stitnates for the year. But what .was interesting to the country, namely, the reduction of the establishments, by:which alone retrenChment could be effected, wag' all cantor°. mised'in the discussiott of the estimates.' liver them the House should exercise the utmost vigi-, lance. But as ti) the fixed burdens of the countly in managing the public debt, it waa that in w i nch no reduction vould -be-evade , 'soul yet 1116 was the object on which the flon. and Learned• Gentleman would 'have bad the Committee bestow its first at- • andtendon its most serious itwOurS.—krithr, hear, hear !) Mr..i. 1 4 . Gepri..eStplainet Sir i, Nittvinnttrentarked, that the Committee, had be'qrvitplitiinted on the Bth of, ,Fehrtutry, and Blade its report on the 25th ,of March.,, And %ilutt was the sum of the labours of the Cotiimittee int; this large finition of time ? twire than . t(i a dopt, w i t h some modifications; theme,e sures formerly propose,d b the Honourable Mem bet' for Cork Cast i le (h. tianices,) and these mo difications were, ot• the most part, of such tn ttire.ris to do away With all that Was gout! la the . original measure. There was in fact n o thing its the whole Repoli that would make aoy one thick !bat' %t•iiS the tnaturedliroduction of six iveclo' Inhour. • • a . . Mr. Martav vvr whited. tit say a few words as to what had been done by fhb Cminnittee with respect to. colonial odieeS, He would apply his observations to one colony • .rjenierara. While that colony was in the possession of the Dutch, there were no sinecure o ffi ces in that colony, andi no offices filled b) non-reside t it officers., But as soon its Great Britain obtained possession of it the case was entirely changed; the whole system of the administration of public office was altered,' sinecures were created, and persons paid for officeS in the colony whir never resided there. The con 7 sequence .Was, that. to maintain the se o ffi ces in creased salaries were necessary, and to supply tin,e salaries, an increase of taxation %vas Miavoidable. In fact, all that the Committee had done with respect to our cblouial system was quite super ficial, and what be wished to press upon the House was the necessity of siidt a revision being undertaken. • Mr. %V. FRBEMANTLE objecteit to the tecotii: mendations contained in the Report; because the offices which they wished to be abolished could not be abolished without injustice, a nd th e saving to be made by abolishing them would be quite in significant. ,• ,• The Hon. Mr. F. ROBINSON, referring to the speech of the Hon. Member (Mr. Marryatt) said, it was unfair and unwise to select particular in-. stances as objects of reprobation on the discus sion of a generul measure like that now under' consideration. In the present case it was parti cularly unfair, because not oneof the mimics com plained of by the Hon. Gentleman ;tow existed; for the Hon. Gentleman seemed to forget that an Act was passed three years ago which made resi deuce a necessary,eonditiOn for holding an office in any of the Colonies.—(Hear, hear !) Mr. MAIMATT explained. Lord MILTON objected to the Report as not go ing far enoogl. The Committee hail the speech of Mr. 'Burke' in 1792 before them, and if they had attended to the doctrines contained in it, they would have found that they might have gone much farther , than what had been dime in 1752. It -setts his firm conviction, that if all the tecommenda tiOnS of Mr. Burke had been attended to, Mitch, it not all -of the, Irritation lately excited in the public mind woold have been avoided. ~.The tict nourable and Learned Gentleman (Mr. J. P. 'Grant) teitil spoke so ably, sec:tied, however, to have mistaken, the objects for which the Com mittee.was appointed. The Committee; had said nothing •of the various points to which they meant to direct their attention in their future iboats. It 'stttnedlo hint that in their first Report it watt their ditty to leave stated, notita detail, but 'gene+ rally, the . points to which_they meant to direct their inqniries. The diplomatic branch of expen dihire particularly culled for investigation. But un this head nothing had yet been done, nor was any thing promised. In short,,the, whole. Rep o rt was very unsatisfactory. The Hon. Gentleman '(Mr. D. Gilbert) seemed, on delis oceasiint, to have acted (he meant no offence) as the organ of Government. 111 r. D. GILBERT denied flint be actedas the organ of Government on thii or any other siott. : lac hatl•before supported a similar-measure when, brgtight, forward by the lion. llemberfor Corfe Castle (Mr. liailkes).—(llear, bear !) Mr. TIERNEY said, that the Report ,had been so ably arkned by his Hon, and Learned Friend (Mr. cifinit) that little wal kit for.ltim to say-on the subject. When thin Committee ,was appointed, lie stated as his ohjcction to it, that. it was Merely intended to be as a screen bervien the public and the public . expenditure'--as . a means of fencing off any real measure of , economy.. The . House were now called upon to abolish certain . of. but not a single reason was assigned. He knew very well that thii would be the case, front what Ire witnessed , at the very couttnencetnent of the labours of the Committee - . Front severe in- th*position, lie had been prevented front Attending its sittings attire titan one day; but in the , trans* actions of Opt day, he saw enough to convince him how things were likely to go on. (Jii ink the Committee, on tlist tlay, lie found ;lie lion. (ientletnau (I.lr. Minket) proposing. 41 iresoltti . _ the hurt ort Of which ‘v,is, that all sinecures should be abobsbed—that all offices executed by deputy should'be aboliihed—and that the ,alacies of other offices should be regulated. l'his resolution the Noble Lord (Castlereagh) opposed. The Noble Lord, too, insisted that the Committee should not assign an reason for the abolition - of those officei, to the COlifiDllBllCe of which the Committee was becoule he tiniught if any reason was stated, that it might endanger the succest of the measure in .another place. Ott. this proposition the c omm itt e e was divided, and theie WBS 8 ma jorityof 16 to 3 in favour of the Nohle Lord. After such a result and such a manifestation Of the feelings of the Collifilitt ye, he must honestlY de clare, that even if he had not been prevented by iii_h en ith, ha would not have continued. to attend th e c om mittee, because list was then C 4.111 11 isVd that he: could serve hiscoontry hotvr any %%Imre ese. IJotthing at the Iteptirt %%hat it profp)sed w4s_ to aholiA lilleCHltly MO to give the Crown in exchange some; hing that should, iothience r be equivalent to what , was l os t by that abolition. Ai fur us referred to the a b o lition of siweentes, he thonght the subitanee of . the Report ought to be adopted by the 1101 The Poisiuti Llst was now ti-10.0001. or 2J0,000/. a year, fur England, irelaiid, and Scotland. Let any man say whether a great saving might not he made in this; - The Committialiad- only done istouet hint hut he real. p ri neipie-or teortomy bad never entered into their minds. Lie was quite sure they might have reauted 46,0601. - cint of ail I, ll d gone dir 1t tt Which .wa,slioltr. OgOting, , illlobid Lord. tittl stated it its (All% '.'o),opittiOn, that the ticaea Establishment tact titil7. be redttei4l helel 19;poo 000. ,ty. !lOW ft wu attenip ea to iet a try ittfavoul-ae thi3 41m.derful and ectinotnicat Administrat l io tt , because th e y kad reduced it about 10,50,0004 buthpliad never.,laidany such thing as that it could not he reduced belt)* that stun. Such , a monstrous propositionbe. never, enter raiked-, On the contr,i . ry, wouiddeelitre it at: his opinion,tbat,nitiess it veils' reduced blow this amount, ,there was itn,fy one event , which, must fo a ll o w, nd whieltAie could not explain am . other wise than • , the, plain terms, that tilt 'Country Hbl ' fitiitel .. be bankrupt, .and, niodplL ! 'go tilt`, at all Without suCh - measores as in point (if fact must amount to it breach of the public faith, hear; hear . 1 .).;-7-The Right 11..rnonrahlO Gentleman . ConClude4 withlioping Hilt tile peso lotions woul d pass tie n t ; but he would repeat and.maintcin, that there nevet._ was a COMmatee tees Entitled ,Confidence than this had. shewn itelf within the last,three months, The li.esolutions were then severally put 'add agreed, to. Pt.e ,Lionse . having resumed,. the questions founded on the liesolotions were put from the Chair, that leave be given to bring in Bills eon» formahly thereto., On that which related to aPowmgcompensation to be given to persous who h a d held high (Aiken in the titate,, Mi'. k3ttoutitta4 declared bis intention ,of op posing this•Oill in everYstage, as. it would intro. .duce at new principle in the . Coustitutlon, founded pn tlik perversinn of patronage, which was ohmic to. be takenlswaY th e i;iowtt. This was ate first time the 1l ouse . had bein,taoght to consider . men.who accepted, of high offices, in the State. in the !same light es those who engage 4 in lucrative professions. Lord Mivroii said he should xlsci object to t h is Bill, ,as tending to degrade all the high offices ti . f. the State. Ile'ohjected to it, because the come pensation was .to depend On. the continuance iii office, and this was' temptation that cott4.,hp called by no other name than political profligacy 4 for if the honotir of a man office was not now blemished, his remaining in office was an injustielt and a curse, lie should resist the Bill, on this principle that it made the tenure of an crake tt mere mercenary act. Mr. BANKES contended, that h ought not to be expected that, distinguished talents could be brought out of lucrative professions to enter upon °tikes: of State, by which individual% tiaerificed the ccrotduty of acquiri n g large private . ..fortunes., without the pro s pe c t o f - some fair remuherat It was not a tfesv principle .that the-Crown should have lie means of affording such reninerntiotr. Lord 'AI tt/rinv, ire expl , omtion, fiaid he was wait sure th e former Bill (111. at for abolkhing Sine» cores) tent to the same .extent ns this ; hilt though he %wed for that, he had a right to his opinion now, when compensations. were pro, posed tat he given to all who hold, held high otlicei. Mr. BitoVGliabt. in CXl)l,llkatiOn, lilt Sinecure 4holition Bill, ,which passed in lII', , awl deelared,. that though he voted silently for that Bill because he wislied to get rid of what wai had ; yet,. if it .had been' followed by one, like the piesent, .to allow compensations, he.would hove voted for neither; if one was it) have been )(mint. , ponied. by the other, .1-le. mentioned this to shield himslf from the charge of inconsistency in typos.. hag the preset,t . ofeasure. CANNING.said, the DOI for which the Nimble Lard and the lion, Gentleman voted in 181'2, WA" not s imply for the abolit iota' of Sinecure (Miceli but for, their abolition with compensation. .Bit artifico would make it appear that two .vote* were..cou,sistent on the, part of those who voted for the former'and intended to appose the present.-- , 1 - They voted owthe former ooession for that prin.& , , clne, whic h was now, for mere convenience, di vided into two A sharp recriminating 'debitte tool; place, which lasted a Considerable tiine, .on the point of boo. sisteney in voting for.the Sinecure Abolition Bill, and opposing that now before the 116sise. Alessys„ Ponsonhy, Tierney, W. tiirslth, Lamb, Littleton, Sir I\l, W. Ridley, and Lords Ebrington mid Milton, severally defended their consistency; rind Lord Binning and Air. Peel held contrary nians, contending that the two votes could not be consistent. The Cii . ANCRLLEM of the fI'ACHECAUER (allotting to a censure applied by Mr. I'uusouhy to Mr. CIAII.k. ttin for inconsistency, in accepting hitt present situation after his difference with a Noble •Lord)' thotight it extraorthuary that the light Honour- . able Gentleman should take that opportunity to find faith with his Bight Htt ootteable Friend, Ivhose consiSrency on this occasion was us great, as his own. tin the subject of Pensions the con duct (4 . MinisterS 'night be fully scrutinized, Par..i tfeularly with respect to lrtland, where the largest. pension that could be granted was 1,2001. a year, which waireduccd in 14,nglish currency to 10001. lie ~. vouid not now enter into ally discussion on, the .subject,. because the Finance Committee war' likely to tlitt4e'a Report much sooner than the' Hight - 1.19 n, cientienm (qtr. Tierney) ixperttd ; but he vould now melanin, that he should have `an opportunity, in a few days, of proposing saute alteration in . the Consolidated Fund, in come rittettee of the junction of the two Iclietitters, After several replies and e*planations, Mr. BLAKE'said, he did' like the Noble Lord (Binning), rise to defend the Right Gentleman (Alr. CAnnitq'). His conduct, when. ever the proper tithe arrived, would be pronntinCed by the il o u,e und the country to deserve every respect, but he ros e to defend the honourable and Learned Gentlennin on the other side from their . delettee4 and pi inection of his friends. The Right - Ilan. Gentleman (Air. PonsonbyY, conititi.mced by'. avowing' an intention to shew that the Honour'. tilde and Learnt d Gentleman's conduct (Mr. Ilrnugliatu'7) %viol not inconsistent, but, fustetid retorted the charge of inconsistency upon the RiOit Hon. Gentleman upon a'subiect quite foreign to the present. 1 he. non. Member (Nil. Stuhti) bent followed on the same side, but his speech antannted to a deelnra. lion, that he *mild - himself practise !hex hicon. tistency which be would blame in another; eul