The Sun. — London, England, 1817-05-16 00:00:00

PARLIAMENT. lionsE COUMONS, rbtAV 15. :11r. r;figNPELL gilve rmtiee, thin on the third reldiug of the Lottery till, he should move to repel! ii ehnse allowing the Bank 3,000/. for the &Awing of the Lottery. After a conversation between Mr. 'FREMAYNE and Mr, FittottaAtm, the third reading of the Salt Bill was postponed till Monday. TIMUER TRADE,. Sir W. Ct7ItTIS presented a petition from sundry timber merchants, against certain clauses which the Commercial Dock Company are endeavouring 'to intrmlnce in a Bill now pending, the effect of which was to give them the monopoly of ware housing. timber. After'a few words from Mr. BARCLAY, AItICNISII ATKINS expressed. himself strongly against the Bill, and presented a Petition to a similar effect front the Grand Surrey Canal Company. The 'petitions were (Inlet ed to lie on the.tahle. CORRECT STATEMENT OF TEIE CdtitLISLL SOL DIEIt'S CAsE. Mr. M. SOTrON, sesing a n liononrable Baronet in his.ptice, begged to say, that he had received Rn official statement respecting the soldier found (Irovrned at Carlisle. The lion. Baronet had stat ed- from the Carlisle Jaurnal, , " that this man-hay ing asked vermission to marry, and having been reftibed, had absented himself without 'raw, and laid married; that for this offence be had been sentenced 1.1 tereive 200 lashes, and after the in iLiction of 100 was ordered to receive the remain- der on a future day ; that under the dread of thk tre had drowned himself." ;An official return In :l • been made to the Adjutant -General's Office, and .the loos were as follow.:•---Tlte man, who was n suddier in the 13111 Light Dragoons, hod asked Mpermission to marry, and h a d b een r e f use d. '(Th e Boo l e must understand, that a refusal nil the port of the Officer did not prevent a soldier's marry ing, or his Marrying without leave constitute any military OtTeno ; tint its the hart neks had only ac contmodati4t for a certain number of females, it wits thougTit fit to ieitve a discretionary power in the Officer as to is hat females should be intro- Aticed.; so dolt respectable women already there • tnight Dot be annoyed by the presence of abandon ed females.) In the present instance the Command itig Officer had refused his consent,beeau , e the man • was already marrie&—(llear 1)-110wever, the man absented himself for a considerable time, and pnrhaps went to Gretna-green, for he ret nroetl mar:. tied.. lie was tried for the military offence of be• ing: absent without leave, and wal sentenced to re ceive 200 lashes : 100 were inflicted,und the remain der were remitted on the spot. Some days afterwards • the man was found droivned, and there was tea- son to belieye that his death was occasioned by suicide. Ilere lie should have stopped, but that tic thringlit something was due to the character of Major APAlistey, the commanding officer. lle 'Lad received a letter (which had been written vo -3 nogrily, and without 'tiny iniplity) from Sir J. Lyng, who . commanded in that district, stating the prtienlars of the case, Were the Honour able Alembic read the letter, the statement ire coincided with that above given, and con• eluded to the following etTect :) " Had there heels any titling blam&ahle in the conduct of Major n , Mister, he should have thought it Isis duty to 'institute an inquiry ; hnt a July hail at on she betty, and %%ere satisfied that the Nilljor had done nothing wrung. They, indeed, eumitivred that the molve inducing the soldier to destroy hOn self was despair at having rashly married a Woman of abamloned character. lie knew Major NpAti„,„„ to be a mild !onetime !Tian, Much eateeased in his 'regiment i and Wes happy in having such an officer an station. Lord Lonsdak COold jry that this was not the first occasion on which he bad thus borne testimony to the Werit3 of that °Aker." • Sir F.'lluanarrsaid, be had cast no imputation on any officer, and he did not even know the imam of Mdor M'Alister ; but he had gated tie: tact; a 33 ito instance or the mischief of tjifit kind of punidonent. On a former occasion, the House had tet y gener.dly agreed that this species of pu. niihmeut was improper, mid could only be justi, Pied in foreign service ; 'but that at home and in peaee, there could he no necessity for it. After ,all,. it seemed that the mau had been punished for,inarrying ; but the commanding officer bud no thing to" chi with his niArrying twice ; an,i thouph it might he proper he should bare a poWer to eli chitit abdru.k from the barracks, yet it Was un abase of all military law to punish man for marry=ing. Lie thought that the fear of farther panisloneur was much more likely to prOduee an act of suiehle titan the repentance arising from . a hasty marriage, and he had strong reason to be lieVe that the satires sense of honour itad ren. tiered life intolerable after his disgrace ; tie should ,therefore bring the subject of military flogging I , ; ,;.aiu before the House. ; Vy Mr. MAstuatts Stirropt contended taro the in* noarahle Baronet had entirely mistakenillitn. The otficer's cometit h tcl been refused merely because be could nut give it ;. and surely a mats could be su bj ect imputation because he had refused conlient to all illegal act. It was hard, if it inis'i its- execution of .that act committed - a known military crime and was pnnishett, that the pu ,,,,;sment should he attributed to other grounds I,l l d surely the officiAt statement of the facts was entit led to more credit than the Carlisle Journal., CLltiWicsl observed, that the Bon. flarenet lord cat no imputation' ou the conduct of Major N'Alister. •• • . :ir FRANCIS lit/IMETT did not enmplaitt of the °hirer, but of th system of the army.. A:r W. SMUTti atiMitted, that the ,ukilty Would have been punished for a military offence, had it that be had deserted ; but as he !not only irs f.ritott himself, anti his.absence was styled it way; f,iir to infer that he was punished for in.irrying without the consent of his officer. Mr. M. SUTTON replied, that tlie mart was tried and sentenced hy. a Brigade! Court,martini, which not try deserters; lie had therefore been IMO and 11111.1.1ted tiet Convma tints here ended.) FURTHbft SUSPENSION OF THE IIiBLAS CORPUS ACT. Peisoxite, after observing that the present Att. for the Sopension of the Habeas Corpus would expire in July, and that the middle of May being now at hand, a pm iod was approaching at which, according to all experience, a number of members would retire into the count - 1-y, begged to ask the Noble Lord opposite (Lord Castlereagh) if it was the intention of his Majesty's MiniSters to,apply to Parliament for a foirther extension of that power of imprisonment which, had already. been given thetta Ile did not enter into the question, as.the rules of the House forbad it; but lie hoped the Noble Lord would give an answer one way or the other. Lord CASTLEBOACII replietl.that after the holy days, about the Ist of June, n communication would be made to the House concerning the in ternal state of the country; after which the same proceedings would be proposed as had taken place in the early part of the Session, and it would be referred to a Committee to enter into an inquiry as to the measures proper to be pursued. After „ the question put by th e fl ight non. Gentlemen, without any wish to provoke. a tIiSCUSSiOII, ur to commit the House to r e premature declaration 'of its sentiments; he felt it his duty, under the cir cumstances the House had - been placed in by the question of the Right Hon. Gentleman, to state, that his Majesty's Ministers, in the present sitott-, tion of the country, thought themselves called on to propose to Parliament a continuance of the measure now in (Term ione---(LOtul Cries - of He a r, hear !) Mr. Pnwors said, as the matter was of the most setious importance, and demanded a full at tenthince, he should move for a Call of the House. Lord CASTLZURAGII was as willing for a call as ale lion. Gentleman could he. Mr. Ileimon fr or nsked whether it was the Noble Loid's intention, after the holydays, to propose a Committee,, as in the early part of the Session, or to proceed without a Committee Lord CASTLEBEAG4 repeated, that a communi cation would be made to the House, after which a Committee would be proposed for the purpose of making an inquiry, as at the beginning of the Se,sion ; after Which, .his Majesty's Ministers would propose to Parliament a continuation of the measure now in force. Mr. BHOVGHANI.—" Am I then to understand, that a Committee is to inquire, and that this is to be the result of the inquiry i"---(llear, hear !) Sir FIIANCI3 .13C11iDETT 11:11Ittrkell, that there could he no what would he the result of the inquiry.—(Hear. hear !):-...-.l3tit be should first move f or ft list of the; persona . consned tinder the present Act ► tiho, they were, when taken,, and where imprisoned., 'Mr. BitauortAta hoped that some Meinher, of store weight than . himself, would give'notice of a motion for an Addre,s, praying his Royal High ness the Prince Regent not to disaotve Parlia ment while the Habeas Corpus Act 'was muter suopensiow, • • Alr...Pimurs moved, that the House should be railed the o ld out June. Mr. J. P. GRANT, after re.minding the House that the first 'Law Officer of Scotland had stated that the C,onspiracies at Glasgow were' not con fined to the poorer classes of the community, said, that he (Mr. J. I'. Giant), knew that only one &riot) above the rank of kill operative %rosier had been taken, and he had declared that he had no communication what,‘ver with Political Clubs ; 3,000/. had been Oleic(' for hail. in order that he might 61)111111e his occopariim, but this was refused, 'and properly' enough-, as the man was charged %s kit High Treason. But he was• now ,Jult, that without any farther information, the Law Officers of the CroWn, after having confined this min silt 'recto, discharged him..without far ther statement, and, without bail : so that a.re 7 spcetable individu a l had been incarcerated six creeks without cause, discharged withotit imptirr, :thear,, bear !) and left to seek redress for th e loss of his trade, character, and health, in what man ner 1 could,—Meat., hear hoped the !louse would consider in what Manner the powers of the Act had, been applied, and . what was to he expected from the Law Officers of the Crown ; he dud not impute motives, but mentioned faet, and he trusted some explanation would be given. The Call of the House was then fixed for the 2d of June, FJNANCIAL STATE OF IRELAND. Sir JOIN NEwI'ORT rose, pursuant to the no tice he had given, to call the attention of th e }limit , to the present stat e o f Ireland, at Affect e f t by the great load of its'laxation. Ile hoped for the patient #itteution of the !louse while he elan', pared the financial state of lreland•with what it 1,3,1 been at several periods, and endeavoured to thew that 'she was maw, at a :period of general peace, entitled to some relexatirin, At that period, which he would ever call the period of Ireland' s glory—in the . years 1781 end 17ei!, when th e great exertions Of . his llig.ht Honourable Friend the Aleinher• for .Dublin (Mr. Gramm), had called into life the spirit which defended Ire, bind from her' foreign foes, which protected her trade, 'enforced an obedience to her laws - , eslnemt tinparalleled, and rendered _justice to h eri . e lf : by ma ki ng her Vailiament: indep en d ent of Great Itritain ! --at that period her burdens :were • comparatively light. Sloe licieked to herself for protection, not' to the'existence of a large ad,. litary farce---(Dear, bear !).....-but this happy state did not last long ; party feuds and dissensions , soon broke out, and under the governMeht of a succeeding Lord Lieutenant tlist system bad its rise of governing Ireland by division amongst he r people. WiCs,ii not natural for a country which had surrendered Lei - imkpendence, mid which had wieeborry:! an tepial, and tan't - e than eqoat portion of th e public burdens, to come now to the Impe lid Parliament, and look for an 'equal portion of redress ?—(Flearl front the Opposit ion benches ) Would it not, he would ask, be considered that Ire land had reason to complain, When be should state, that England 'had been retested since the peace from a burthen not less than seventeen' tniiliotis of taxes, while the relief in that way afforded to Ireland amounted only.to 340,0001. The int- Policy of our continuing to tax Ireland to the amount, must be evident to any one who took the trouble of comparing the amount of her revenue in the last years with what it was in 1808. The new taxes imposed since 1808 were calculated to produce a sum of three millions and a half, but with this addition, how .much would the house think did the revenue of last year exceed that of the year before those taxes were imposed i By the vast sum of 10.,0001.—(11 ear, bear, bear 1)-4 his was the great price of that vexatious System of taxation .which had been imposed, and of all the discontent it had produced, and this was accom panied by notices of discontinuances • of horses, carriages, servants, Which would amount, in decrease of duty, to infinitely more than that suit.--(hear; hear !)—Would not that circum stance be sufficient in itself to spew the necessity of having something done ? Among the many causes which contributed to swell the poor-rates to their present enormous amonnt, and to bring on that' poverty %vide), was so generally felt by all classes, of manufact urers , t h ere was not one 'which bad a greater effect than the state of our best market, Ireland. The decrease in the demand from Ire land for the eleven of the principal articles of English manufactore and produce, since the year 1813, was in the proportion of 3,400,0001. to 1,100,0001. • The official value of the articles int port ed ftOm England intO Ireland was, in 1813, 3,400,0001. In the last year it amounted only to, 1,100,0001. This• Was the amount Of the official value ; the real value must be considerably greater; but he chose to mention only tiro official value, lest be should be charged with misquoting or ex aggerating. Of these articles, and here he begged the etention of the House, as the articles he was going to mention were the leading ones of English manufacture, the decrease on e ac h wo u ld b e b est seen from this statement. The value of goods imported into Ireland, from this country was— h, tam In 1816. In Woollen Cloths • L " ,000,000 " L. 600,000 In Leather • 00,00 .19,000 In 'not and Hardware lto,ono 170,000 In Cotton Twist - 130,000 TOtal Decrease ,180,000 And In looking at all these articles it would appear that they were not the luxuries, but the mere 11 00:49411 , 1 of life. The decrease in the Duties on Malt would to seen from this. The number of barrels made in three years were thus— lil 1014 there were moo° In 1815 - 870,000 In 1816 , 481,000 In spirits, the decreess of the duty was great in proportion to tilk• The decrease In Wines amounted to 140,0001.-;- Though the duties on them w ere now d ou bl e d , the produce was not half what it was ,a short time before. The deficiency in the duties on them would be seen by this They were in 1816 L. 576,000 •1816., 442,000 Making a deficiency ef. . , It might also be necessary, to add, in order to show, the• farther deficiency which he expected from the inhind taxes, the notices served on Os Collectors of Heartla and Window Taxes for the years 1816 and 1817, for the discontinuanct•ot 42,000 windows anti 10,01)0 hearths.— (Heart, hear,. bear I)—These Were irrefutable symptoms a the distress which existed in Ireland, and of the utter inability of a great portion of theireopl g e to pay, for it was natural to think that no matt wool(' deprive himself of the benefit of light'and heat, if he could possibly pay for them—(Heer, bear !)-13esides those, thin e.was a number near ly as great in proportion of notices for the idis continuances of carriages, horses, and servants, andjannting' cars. The tax upon jannting cats was so great, that many persons were unable to keep one, and by that means were often debarred from going to church. This was an im portant consideration as it regarded the Protestant faith, for, assuredly, the people would not , long remain Protestatos it they were debarred 'from frequenting'their eherches. He had before tnen tioned that the financial sacrifice, made by Ireland were "greater, in proportion, than those of Eng land. Front the Report of a Co:nmittee %Thieh sat upon the subject of Finance in 1813, it appeared that fur ten y au before 'the Union, the gross revenue 'of Ireland - amounted ter 21,614,0001. averaging 2,161,4001. The gross revenue for ten • years after the Union was 45,679,0001. averaging 4,357,9001 -4-year.---' And, in . . the last six years, it appeared that the gross revenue was 38,496,0001. averaging 6,416,0001. a year. So that in every one of the last six years, the amount Of the revenac of Ire. land was treble ,what it : was in any of the ten which preceded the Union. The 'consequence of this vast increase was, that the fortunes of the re sident gentry of Ireland were eonSiderably dimi nished, and as their property decrensed, their weight: and influence with their tenants decreased in pm-. portion. The effect of • this would, he was con vinced, be exceedingly dangerous to this 'country, The Right Honourable Baronet then :contended, that Hs the expenses -of Ireland were greater in prnportion than those of England, and much, greater than she at present could be expected to pay,'and that as England hod been relieved by a diminution of seventeen millions of her taxes, while. those of Ireland were only decreased by 34 0,0001.-"-it was the duty of the House to afford , her some additional relief. The Right Hon... Limpet concluded by moving a series of,Resoln tions, which set forth— " That the grass Reyenue of Ireland for ten years after the Union was 93,614,0RK making an averae of i 2,161,4001. a -year, That he gross Re venue o f Irelan d for the ten years immediately IncLeetline• the Union wits 45 , 6 79,000 1 .1ttaki11ef 8 " average of 4 , 5 570)01. a year, and that for the last six years the gloss Revenue was 58,496,0001. 'making an average of 6 ,4K0Q01. a year; and, that justice . stottnd I,olirp, and the real interests of the Empire. required that the burdens "' V imposed upon Ireland sbonld he diminished." Mr. V. FinosttALo , cletended the policy which had been acted upon in imposing taxes on lids"' and contended that it resulted from the Right Hon. Baronet's own skewing', either that the taxes were. hot such-as- to defeat the progress of the revenue, or that its progress had not been such as had beets stated. The deficiency of last Year Was no proot that the measures of finance li MIMI. iv. ICI) . 1 1 :cl e c x 0 " :t b e l 71 f l o d r o t P. ;o e t d u 1 1. v :c re w:lteral di' icesl "' hi " beets felt, and it was not fair to select that yi to compare with 1808. in the last year thei ficiency was 1,191,0001. The whole of this' ' fallen on the Customs, Irish EKrile, and h , with the exception of about 30,0001, The Malt duties remitted had c aused a falling did 40 the reduction of the dutie s on Spirits ..... ... . . .... St, .... Making together a deficiency' of .•:• fl i t The repayments made for the stock of Malt in an amount,d to 167 nonf.funi three had been a difuiontisse duties levied on 'hearths, amounting to 4,0001,, 1) 101 , 1 had b een es timated at 60,000!. The 94J.0 w ind) hw. I:emitted in tau.' ought to hare been broughtiototkeste ?Y e . th ( i ) e_ Lion. baronet, when be was arguing aphid tillittil • followingt; if flee thess etaxes, deficiencies sse dti f ,a r o x i u e is) , the lodt 7frii,utairuzid. , o i.n if . t. t i.i i e. l . it.:.,,e.t, ,y s c e .... ....... To be accou nted for front dearth duties remitted... Carriages ............. „ „.. I t Ht4V , i , , ris d e , s , a . .. ....................... 1 ................................................ tt strong arg u men t were all that "re respect to the inward texts in the whole yttiti That the taxes had not fallen oif whe n tb ., e „ ` : weregaeurggramensestnetdi,n ff:tvronuilsrlinefsli,bienpoliiiiicynsp:;loiciti:' duties themselves; resorted to them, and the notices of (11 10 ,, once which had been received, grew ntorecs; to be noticed* the rigour with which the collection of ti ion, I been enforced, than out rims! character st„ matte to collect thenasrusiltiotuldhie'acrean who once complained so loudly of tilVi c s if roi Ice: ion. Notwithstanding . the t° ls4 . ° ,h e li lie had admitted to have taken ,face Is ',i t( year in the inland taxes, the r Produce, 09 A the circumstances of the times, .liasl ansuaolii, 150,0001. more than ever they hail dune tai lt and to 340,0001. more than the 'former year (with the exceptiois of th e yea c , 0 that t er ( p riee r i t ig s n d til u c c al e :: s it t :ti i tt s s s i n188:1 the duties o:llfiutfiilece:olo,hne sts.oeren.tgetrlewsi iinto:o4l, ii of financial 'statements, in whicll l'e, tr en d tsa h h:eniti r ce a fic s il s ve s : l ain s 2 l i e y, al p s r , o on ed I t i i i i t a g l t i:llisett:llle tAilliilict:liirdlsCleti.Vle.b3e:ll:Ctel,ri: firlifil ti)lyletilnipon:itic measures of the Gove rnitl i hill went over the Loans for the service The. increased taxes raised in Irel d i° l exce d iv met by,n;laileinctitliaSixiltecosit)vrieloutlypetiliseet:sillbtni.ivraglobtlittgietinpr;:firiiii five year, ending Jannary 5, 181 6, ils . c ot the whole revenue in 1801, as•the net l s , , I n the c ustomsfir ................... ......., ...72,1j...., Excise, & ................ . . 1 ,h. o' o a ll In 060 0001. I ~, 1801 the whole was but 2, - ,', 1 did nco' ' present situation, he (Jr. Fitzgeten"/ ;0001 that it was for him to resist or 10 IV ) : jor ollt resolutions moved by the Right 1 ,. "mill i lie, however, did not' think be had 8 ,. (1 e . WO for Ward in such a W ay as to incline' tu ibin 0, favour them, as be had told Iber".:,,,d to call ,) 7 'o°o AWOL in taxes had been themeteall";oolit 48ods Ireland had been relieved I . ° . tlic s l but 340,0001. Admitting 'this fac t , to i t ost the Right Hon. Disratet might ca„„ e o, efore. thing that. should express that 0 i_lo'initity, oil,' Tax ,had long been hone in thi l r t the fo inel b ad not extended to Ireland, sndisond so el'n' f i i set forth the efforts made by PI go y or , , 8 , "PPlics voted for they ,ear, I , ' i l 111 041 f,, "eland only bore her slisei,',s in /I''' . 0 means of loans. The MO ( r e %Vol' I ' l ' t f u r • sbetved to have been not 0011111-„ „ledge"' ~ Interest of 'a loan. Under 1,1',001, hallo remitted to its taxes, 81"%vitu the l. t i to ito l :t4v t , ' no e ha s s r i t o l ei ci l l e l l t i s Sl i t e oli g i a s e li c i: I t i o :I f o l: f t tittt'llittljete itila:1,31,1:1:101/Cillej7'Ablj:Cjieni":,CialsiiC17b:tloat:llb1el:,13); rtntOe) tslicr'l.ll:atniu:elibtreanticti'enipillyraese"::::jogirlielen:::::::sl6' j 1):: true that a ditty of seven potnnont „t col ot on e sleicrlPolvt, 00,1,1, been tel (turn this. no c „coves. .)It used by the farmers soul taantliPcnitsonctl`toi which-ecicopstel6lsoi7or v7eob/i.cliellici h t ' ha' e l t e e ft es leb:;s et ill tux, as he- supposes! their own ~ 01 'tho se 'rite t 3s " I' ch i " Filing as the proprietor of " 11 ' the 5f g same value in Eneltutl. w o r t h alf ' c loi p cars of a meaner description ~,0 C l" tal i 41. ;.but then it was,complinen_utitis sit!, persons derives! no benefit fro nt , s hsra, l i sve e thes es ontl l , And who ‘vere these that -r .044 es ~eit, by ? The proprietors of otber e" tit w ith tP, i, f Wheels. Ile could isot but e, ll st ii , lret' i l tt l isii 116 n. Baronet iii lamenting Nr it s fitle'repsil the particular circumstances 0 : hi; ' t he , t„ in Lion, the re-action ocessionetl_tvielh greal'i;po to a stare nt peace, had been r ione er ill t o igi tent, and was likely to be mlle:':,e'teli '4O But let it not be sant that ci11.,1 0111,1,0 s Irons the Resolutions now to°;:ot fOt '` 40 ,0 Bible of the hardships of Irehttn'„,eoplei; who broo_ _Le 05,4, pathy itight i l l o t h u e . id:actor enseste,s -0 1 the I r il l iiii,; theist tart i: cc Under all the circumstances _ 1 0 1 ; 0,00..0 II not assent to the Resolutin,nB.,C!..t t be Iti e fi l to Mr. Possotart remarked 1!:'llo se till .. . ( b i l l{ Gentlefilail WIIO had just sat"otoor aptl i P ea t that. the Resolutions wag e rr . . such st yes nub! "late Minister for Deland, talli,rieint, 11040 intention of bii Right Iloo'e sod ► me' was, in the first place, to sl'e`v d icier!bll)(3 11' the I , clo ' in which Ireland stands 8 c cotes ar, ic h 0 . , 5 . and in the next, that On . _ awl, Ott sa e , shnnld.be a remission nt th e 'footle. t he I I Or t 8 dos h probably aribee n lead to tiootaonisyi n p e r r a e i lt i l e tat 01'1.16, It:ln:C., • go it it ' t of Ireland into her owls allow' not p ,s s' f l go inevitable; for Ireland ceveditors c c e ) ; h e VP England would rot, tile . se o at 1 ",, c Oili a , paid. The consolidation isnow,ec to, od . i l aots ol and bankrupts (if Ireton' tea l ant " o re i he collected in their estimass onthiog be oit , 11 was to be done ? Ther e tr I i o ltesY s . e ,I, V I nos than that the tax shan't be 10 1 ', to il' :„ wile to , it oa t: vc 0 the people on whom 1 ' Tbeyeo"' 'I Il e #l . l , its kind and its amount- ,• c t, ofic*, or , 1 . cnionti taxlryo as 1 hey two"Iii,8„71a1111,111 ri i C i l e ' il ll' il o l o wag not 5191"MrlinClinlii:iSnteicit:IYirrtie,:t,:C11;11;:,:e:Iroilf;nliitii. li as in England, !secant . , „ist o nc il 1 e dose cow. shuts a* ....de purchase. - It Wog then ° ill : 1 the one country 5 T V ri, taxcd than the other.