The Sun. — London, England, 1817-08-22 00:00:00

MR. OWEN'S PLAN. The Adjourned Meeting on the System for m - linrating the Condition of the Poor, and plating Soctty at large upon en improved footing, took place yesrerday at the City of London Tavern.— sir. J JatlesoN took the Chair. The room was 'crowded to exces3, and all the avenues were filled with viSitors. Many Ladies also graced the meet tug. 'Jr. OwEta addressed the company at length, hn/ as we have several times entered largely into the developments of his system, and as it is our duty to gratify the various tastes, dispositions, and expectations of our Readers in general, and not to devote too much space to p a rticular classes, except upon points of essential importance, we are sure that we •hall not only be excused, but commended for being brief in our report on a Subirct that is of too abstract a nature, and which being indeed a practical question is by no means 'calculated for discussion in a mixed assembly.— The following teems to he a passage 'deserving notice in Mr. Oweles speech, as it applies to the theories and clamours of modern Reformers Is true the ten millions raised and expended by titeGovernment, if not .so raised, would be ex -pended by individuals in another eltamitel, hut nut our labourer more would, or could, be employed its the latter case than at 'present, although much 'distress wonid inevitah/y arise from the change of employment hem one set of labourers to stunner. Should greater liberty be now given than the British Constitution can with safety afford to ail its subjects, the lives and properties of the well 'disposed, and the safety of the State, wrothd be tut to imminvot hnzard; and until better traiii:ng, more usefull knowledge, and imrodactive constant ttatploymeot , shall be given to the pout- and working -classes, no really intelligeet pet son could Venture to gime more freedom to snub a population, as oar's has pradoatly become, titan the British Constitution in its (military state now admits. it is a mistake to suppose the existing Government possesses powt r nolependent of the genuine voice of the public. It has been for several years past solely got en i ed by that voice, and my present proceedings are the latost.tomenoivocal proof of the truth of this state ' trt4ist. If you wish really to improve the Govern ' meart„ time only bene&ial practical step you can 't:tk'e . is, to increase time knowledge and improve the "conduct of the public, and then both your objects would be safely-and effectually obtained. The Government of this country cannot now re sist theiolltmeoce of the public voice, whether it tie right or wrong ; it becomes then fore of the tag be.t importance, both to the Government and 'the People, that the Public should not be supet fi &ally trained or instt octet!, but that it should he substantially well informed, and that effective means should lie devised to train it as human beings , intruded to be rational, ought to he trainers. Briieve me, my ftictols, that after you have in vain searched in emery possible direction to attain your object, by any of the child:sit, im p•acticable, and gook schemes, which have been hitherto pt otiose& for your relief anti improve mein, you will at last discover, that the only road which it eats be found, is through productive taiployinent, for all the working classes, connected Vitt good instruction." In the course of his Address, Mr. OVVRN repro based, in scvere terms, Machinery, as employed in mamtfActories ; but I.ve fotbear to introduce his object ir a te, lest the uorefiee , lug wot kitten of various orders might derive intitements to mischief. lit adverting to the Cottage System he observed, that " In the first place, under the cottage system, there tuna be a separate dwelling, and all the usual appendages for each family, which trill at fast be g - reattv more expensive, and far more in complete titan the arrangement proposed in the pt Anti lately submitted to - the public ; and all the domestic labour to produce usual comfort, wool(' be double at least. lit the second place, one half More land would be required to feed the parties on the cottage system, than on the new plan ; aid of course one half more labour would be ne cessary in cultivation. in the third place, the cottage system will not admit, without great ex- Vence and inconvenience, of an effective system to well train awl instruct the children of such parents whom we now find profoundly ignorant under that system. Under the new, the best possible arrangements are made not only to prevent the ac quirement of bad habits, but to give them good ones, and the soundest and best instruction; and all this trill be given more under the eye of their pa rents, titan in any way this important object eau be now attained ; except under constant family tuition ; anti this in many respects will be found greatly inferior to it. the fourth place, the cottage sys tem offers no obvious ; advantageous mode to em j)loy their children, so as to render them after seKtda either valuable to themselves, to their neighbours, or to their country, as the plan propot4vd. Under the cottage system they be come 'stupid, ignorant, and brutally selfish.- 3n the plan nom advocated,' they will be made lively , intelligent, and rationally selfish, Volt is, truly disinterested and benevolent.— *Under the cottage systein, the parents are sub kcted to all the restraints to which ignorance and brutal selfishness must ever be liable ; under the cit:ier now proposed, such injurious restraints may be eradttally withdrawn, and in the second gene 7, Ilion, punishment of every kind will be not only iin , wees qary, but the reason why punishment is pernicious will be evident to all. Under this svgtem, kindness, properly directed, will easily elmt shortly accomplish that which punishment, if permitted to try its power, could not eff ec t through all the ages of time; for punishm er i t is tbe instrument of ignorance and barbarism only." Here it may be observed, that if the Cottage System requires more land there is gr9ter room for employment. The chief objections on the part g.t the company seemed towards those passages i n bis speech which referred to Religion, and here see conceive that the audience were mistaken, and that Mr. Owes; did not wish to obstruct devotion, bit to leave the hutn4l) mnid to take the Creed ii by reflection and habit, it might be dis- Posed to adopt. Bolt we disapprove of the iu troinction of the subject at all in such meet ;no. Several very respectable and intel li4ent characters came forward and expressed Ov:r sentimcgs, but, as u e before remarked, the snbiect bring of it practical nature, and wi.olly ' unfit for Imp:liar 'discussion, we shall pass them over. About four o'clock, when most of , these respectable characters were quitting the room, to leave town, or for other purposes, in came a host of political Orators, and empty declamation, sionary nonsense ; and the usual abuse of stets anti Government chat acteriQed the subse quent proceedings of ''.e day. Air. Owes was tre►►ted with the 'rest t and esteem ►lue to his en larged benevolence : and lamlat►le anxiety to im prove the condition of the inferior classes of Societ y, and particularly to remove the distresses of the Poor, but due allowance did not seem to have been made foi• th at int ()rotation which he must necessarily have derived front a practical application of his system, thoozh but upon a small scale, as its li nil success holds tooth a prtsu►ise of a similar re sult upon a wore ektertSlye adoption. ___ • Mr. IS'AtritmAtv being present, it teas not to he 'pposed that he would be silent, or 'hat lie tvotild retrain front poLtical topics —Mr. SWIFT there• fore spoke to nuclei, and (4)11-eared the introduc tion of tVAITE-IMASI this Geutlrntan of having assumed a commanding tone, and having a lleged that lie teas a Pllcemati, the Gentleman came forward again and observed, that his name ha%ing been demanded, he said it was Swift, adding, that— _ _ • 6 He bad the honour to hold an office in the Tower. • Be had been accused by time last Speaker of having called a,pers-in to •order in the toer of command. lie denied that be had done so. He 1,54(1 spoken in the tone of appeal. But if the voice which God had given him causVd what he had said to strike others in a different way from that which he bad intended, this wa's his misfOr. tune and ow his ciime : he bad wily been anxious to make himscif heard. As to the office which be held, since this had been alluded to, he tvonhl ask it it was a part of the Constitution of England that a man should trot be believed who held an - office ? The office whico he filled had been held by his predeces sor for 45 years, and he hoped to hold it as long. He had known notLiiog of the present meeting till yestelday, and had tint thought of ;Attending it till within an h o ur of .the time at which he entered the room. As an Englishman, he had a right to interfere, when it appeared necessary to say, that the object of a meeting called fur a benevolent purpose would be frustrated, if politics wete in troduced. The question before them was, whe ther or not the plan at Air. Owen should be re ferred to a Committee ; and (having a right to defend his own opinion, as others bad), he would a.lt if he was not jus:ilied in calling those to or der who lost sight of the subject of debate This manly assertion of an independent spirit gas well received by the audience. The place which Mr. Swirl . holds, we understand, is that of Keeper of the Regalia in the Tower. It does not appear that this Gentleman intended to speak any further than to keep the discussion unmixed with party spirit, though from all we have heard of his talents, learning in general, and legal knowledge in particular, he is 'sell calculated to illustrate any subject to which his attention might be directed. The CHAIRMAN did not quit his post till near eight o'clock, nor till indeed he twist have been disgusted with the confusion awl uproar arising ham the vanity of those who wish to exalt them selves into ormorioal distinction and notoriety. THLArRIGAL REGISTER. Pe: formed Last Night. THEATRE ROYAL. HAyMARKET.—Teazing Made Easy; Prin.- Cipal Characters by Mr. Terry and Miss Matthews. After which, The Actor of All Work. To which was added, The Waterman. NEW Tut:Arm?. Itorat., ENGLISH Omaa-HousE.—The : Principal Characters by Mr. ff. Johnston and %liss M. H. Bugging. After which (ad time), Fire and Water. To which was aided, Bachelors' Wives. Arum/en-1 Flanders, I Holland, I Dublin, I Waterford. Gottenburgli, I Holland, I liamburgh, 2 Guernsey and Jersey. PRICE 0; Tuts DAY AT T' Bank Stock,... 2B? per Cent. 3 pe: . Cent. Cons. . 7911 4 per Cvnts 97i 9S Cir per Cent. Navy Ann. 105 iii F STOCKS 'wELvn Bank L./Inn.. 2011 S-16th India 8and5,......... 1245. pr. Exch.Bills, 30s. 345. pr. Cuns.. fur Accuunt,..... 79i $0 HIGII WATER Al' IMNDON MUDGE. TO- Moltflow. nsinute•s after 11. Evetsillg, el minutes atter le; FROM THE HAMBURGH PAPERS. PETERSZURGbi, JULY 26.—0 n the 21st May, at noon, in a village, '22 wers'ts ftou► Abu, in Fin land, a piece of land, with twelve peasants houses, suddenly sunk down some fathoms ; a similar event happened in the same place in 1755 a►►d 1788. The marshy ground on which the village stands is supposed to be the cause of this pheioo- Menon.—The weather is uninterruptedly warn► ; for some days past we have had no rain at all, so that the haymaking goes on well.—The corn every where promises well. STOCKHOLM, AVG. 5.—A report has been spread at the Captain of a foreign vessel has been shot through the cheek with a pistol, fired at him by a custom-honae officer on the Swedish coast. It is now known that the Captain's cheek was happily only grazed by the ball, but the causes of the affair have not yet transpired. As soon as the Government was informed of the circumstance, it gave orders to summon a military tribunal at Landscrona, and invited the Consul of his Bri tannic Majesty at lilsineur to send a confidential person thither to be preseat at the legal pro ceedings. They expect at Gottenburgh the Turkish cor vette the Apur, commanded by Afitz Ali, a n d laden with Egyptian products. It left Leghorn on the 27th of June. The ship and cargo are at the disposal of the Agent Ismael Gibraltar. COPENHAGEN, AUG. 9.—The Royal Board of Quarantine has made known, that according to official accounts the plague has broken out at Nar. cata, in Dalmatia ; at Alexandria, in Egypt ; and in the Island of Candia, in the Archipelago. CONS±ANTINOPLE, JULY 10.—On the 7Th of this mouth there broke out, during the night, a fire in the chief guard-house of the Ruin-Kapu ; the situation of that q u arter between the city wails and the sea rendering it impossible for the usual means of stappity , the flames to be suffi ciently e ffi cacious, the ;hole quarter, which was chiefly inhabited by Armenians, was reduced to ashes ; and notwithstanding the presence of Sultan, and all the exertions that could be made, many people lost their lives, as the fire lasted the whole night. The report lately mentioned of an Insurrection at Cairo, and the arrest of the Governor by the. Insurgents, is still kept up, but denied by the Porte, and no: confirmed by any of the merchant men which arrive from time to time from Alex andria with provisions for the capital. Mamma, Aran. 21.—1 n this Island the im portation of the West ludia produce is rigorously prohibited, am( also the importation of foreign wines ; and we expect the exportation of refined sugar will ire prohibited. A uncommon fish, of the whale species, has been killed by the crew of the Vigilant, of 1.4111 don ; it has 40 teeth, and its body was upwards of 40 feet hing ; it was but thinly covered with blubber, 'lie skeleton of the head is brought home for the iuspection of Naturalists. We received this morning the Paris Papers of Tuesday last. The following are extracts : " PARIS, AUG. I9.—The Dake de Massa is appointed a member of the Chamber of Peers. " The Marquis d'Avaray, Peer of France, is created a Duke. " The Count de Ruppin (King of Prussia) at tended yesterday evening the representation of Fernand Cortez. " The Infant of Spain, Don Francis Paul, travelling under the title of the Count de Mora . talla, arrived at Brussels the l4th instant. " Yesterday, after mass, the Kiug received the Duke of ‘Vellington.at a pirate audience. His Grace remained half an hour with his Aliijesty. " The Marshal Duke de Reggio returned to Paris on Sunday afternoon. " The Count de Ruppin honoured yesterday with his presence the Establishment of ?Scanlon. It is said 1.! wilt attend this evening the represen tations of Madame Catalani. His Royal Highness Monsieur passed a part of yesterday with the Count de Ruppin at Vin- cennes. " The Commercial Journal of Hamburgh de clares to be untrue the intelligence given by the English, French, and German Journals, respect. ing a Loan effected at Genoa for the Danish Go vernment. " Five PER CENTS.--.M o nday, 68 F. 35 C. " VIENNA, AUG. 7.—By the last intelligence front the Court, tee learn that their Imperial Ma jetties arrived the (by before yesterday at Souc zawa, which is the last remarkable place in Bu cowine towards the frontiers of Turkey. It is expected that our Sovereigns will return to Her manstatit in TrAnsylvania between the 16th and 20111 instant.' STUTTGADD, AUG. 11.—A considerable num ber of Eaglish of distinction have recently arrived here on tours in Germany. Amongst them is Lord Dartmouth, Lord Calthorpe, Messrs. Walker, Hutchinson, &c. " We have the most satisfactory accounts re. specting the harvest. " The Prince and Princess of Saxe Weimar, (the latter is sister to the Quren of Wurternburg, and the Emperor Alexander) are shortly expected here on their return from Dns. " AU6SBURG, Aro. S.—Yesterday evening, at 42 minutes past eight, the Canon and Pro(essor Stark observed, in a serene sky, a luminous band, of a colour similar to the iMilkyw ! iy, i n t h e di rec ti on of the head of the Serpent, in the constellation Her miles, and which passing below the non hero Crown, between the tail of the great Bear and the head of the little one,. terminated at the star Alpha it) the Dragon. Its length was 71 degrees, and its breadth, almost every where . uniform, was about two apparent diameters of the Moon. This ibe nomenon, which greatly resembled the prolonga tion that rapidly took place on the 13th Sept. 1811 of the tail of the great Comet, disappeared at 58 mi nutes past 8. From that moment, till one in the morning, the Professor observed that the Nebu lous, No. 8., of the Constellation, the Buckler of Sobiesky, where the luminous band bad com menced, appeared surrounded by a luminous circle, larger, brighter, and more scintillating than usual. " The great spot which appeared the 23d ult. on the disk of the Sun, disappeared the 4th inst., and [ t here were then formed a great number of small spots divided into several gronpes." We received this morning New York Papers one day later. They contain no news of import ance : they mention that the PRESIDENT is still on his tour through the different ports of the country. One of the New York Papers mention, that since die Patriotic Flag has been planted in East Flu ' rida, hundreds of recruits have flocked to it, o' l continue daily to encrease : they say that M'Gs; l ' GOR will soon have as many men as he may ro quire. The Patriots have a naval force lying be' fore Amelia Island. (From the Philadelphia Journal of July 164' Arrived here last night, the schooner General Jackson, ROMAN, from Jacquetnel, in 19 days; IVe learn by her that the markets there were ex. tremely high, all kinds of provisions being so Very scarce. Flour 30 to 33 dollars ; Pork 54; and Beef 40, and scarcely any to be purchased St that price. (From the New York .4dt:eraser of July 11I.) The company of United States' Artillerists, under Captain DONAHO, lately from this city, did not stop at the Creek Agency, as reported, bat have descended the Flint River, and arrived at Fort Scott. A body of Georgia Militia latel y advanced into the Indian territory, attacked two parties of Indians, and killed and wounded seve. ral of them. THE SUN. quis niezHE LONDON, FRIDAY, AUGUST 22, 1817. SHIP NEWS. EXTRACT OF A LETTER FROM OUR CORRESPONDENT AT LIVERPooI., DATED AUG. 20. There are no Arrivals from the United States oth day-. Cargo of the Draper, from New York-3041 barrels Flouts 144 bales Cotton. Cargo of the Loan, from ditto-2783 bags Wheat, MS quarters ditto, U 2 bales Cotton. Cargo of the Fosdick, from ditto, sailed July 20.-44 barrel. Wheat, 5 casks ditto, and 6 hogsheads Tobacco. Several vessels are ready for sea, for the United States, and willZsail next week. DEAL, AUG. 21.—This morning the wind shifted to the N.H., and the whole of the out ward-bound sailed on their respective voyages.— Remain the Severn frigate and Swift East India pilot yacht. PORTSMOUTH, AUG. 21. Sailed the Ocean, REMMINGTON, for New South Wales, and Unity, MURDOCH, for 01)0110. FALMOUTH, AUG 19.—Sailed the Lady Araa helix packet for Lisbon ; Swittsure packet, tai New York and lialifax ; Salisbury packet for Jamaica ; and Manchester packet, for the Bra• zils—all with mails. HARWICH,' AUG. 21.—Arrived the Prince of . Orange with a mail from Holland. DOVER, AUG. 21.—Arrived the Lord Welling•, :on, ANSTICE, from Calcutta. NOr.TH SHIELDS, AUG. t9.—Arrived 1 the Lad?• Jane, FLEMING, from Davis' Straits, with 5 fish uu the 17th Hlt. she spoke the Love, FARMER,' who had 6 fish and 20 butts, off a dead fish; 02 the 20th ult. spoke the Eraystus, with B fish. His Majesty's ship Julia arrived at St. Helena,: June 19, from a cruise, in search of the Island oV Mathew, laid down in sonic charts, which she ascertained does nut exist. No fewer than fife vessel's are advertised la' Gotte's last Liverpool Paper for Calcutta. I Viscount Met.vti.La leaves town this day, to:. return to the Isle of Wight, accompanied by Mr. , Hay, of the Admiralty. Yesterday Mr. CROKER arrived from the Isle of , Wight, and transacted business at the Admiralty. Last night dispatches were sent off from Down.- ing-street to the Cape of Good Hope. It is reported that the Bank has it in contem-''. plation to discount at four per cent; It is also said, that Government will issue Exchequer Bills at two-pence farthing, or even at two-pence, being ' an interest of about only :3 per cent; WiNtisoit; AUG. 21.—Yesterday the Duke of • CLARENCE arrived at the Castle on a visit to her MAJESTY.—The Duke and Duchess of GLOUCES TER arrived this day from Bagshot Park, and the Duchess of YORK from Oatlands. It being the Duke of CLARENCE's birth-day, the QUEEN gave a dinner - to the ROYAL FAMILY at Froginore, and in • the evening had a select party of the neighbouring Nobility. BRIGHTON, AUG. 20.—The PR IN CE R EGENT had intended to enjoy anot h er equestrian airing in public to-day, the horses were ordered and saddled, but the rain increasing, a countermand was issued. His Royal Highness, accompanied by the Duke of YoaK, and the Noblemen of his suite, crossed from the Palace to oe,Riding Sctiool, soon after two o'clOck this afternoon, where he was on horseback a considerable time. The dinner party, as before, was confined to the R o y a l suite and visitors at the Unlace, yesterday, which will be 'the same to-day. Not a single . card of invitation is issued. The Steyne had but ' few promenaders during the evening, anti con sisted of those who had come inland to partake of the pleasures of a watering place, and seemed determined to enjoy them in all weathers. THE Kiss's BAND.—The vacancy occasioned b y t h e death of Sir WILLIAM PARSONS excited an active competition to succeed him. Several can didates, of well-known talents and high musical , l ' e ptite, started for the Post. But a promise, it seems, had been made by the PRINCE REGENT • i n favour of Mr. SHIELD, to whom it has been allotted, and we have no doubt that, by, the gene ral acknowledgment of all his rivals, the place could not • have been assigned to a person better qualified by professional knowledge, taste, anti g enius, or more justly entitled to respect and regard, for his estimable character in private life. The celebrated Baron's Hall at At u n del Castle is immediately to be completed, agreeably to the directions left in the Will of ale late Duke. The. stained glass window, representing Icing JoHN signing Magna Charta, is removed thither, in or der to be fixed in the Hall. The Uuke of NOR.. IFOLIC was to arrive at the Castle yesterday.