The Sun. — London, England, 1840-07-28 00:00:00

EVENING EDITION. SPIRIT of the PUBLIC JOURNALS. f?ROM THE DAILY PAPERS OF YESTERDAY.) (From the Globe.) Education is henceforth an affair of the State. It is true that the Executive Government confers with the heads of the Church as to the appointment of inspec tors of Church schools. But, as Lord John Russell stated, in reply to the inquiry of Mr. Baines, there will be other inspectors who will be appointed by the Com mittee of Council independently of all ecclesiastical con currence, in the inspection of schools not connected with ' the Church of England. Thus the Executive Government will be free to maintain the rights of conscience. The elementary education of the people will not be employed as a means of exercising spiritual domination, as it might have been, had the desire of the National So ciety, to make education an exclusively ecclesiastical matter, prevailed. Elementary instruction—it cannot be too frequently repeated—is one of the civil concerns of the State, free from all ecclesiastical control, whenever the will of the parent intervenes to secure for his child the participation in a common social advantage, which it is the duty of the executive government to provide. The whole length and breadth of this great principle is included in the recent arrangement ; and is in no respect impaired by the concurrence of the govern ment with the Heads of the Church in the inspec tion of schools connected with the Church of England. The sole reliance of the people of this country for the maintenance of the rights of conscience, in the esta blishment of a system of elementary education, must be on the prerogative of the Crown, the wisdom of Parliament, and the powers of the Executive Govern ment. The joint exercise of these powers has secured the civil rights of the people, in times past, from the insidious encroachments of the ecclesiastical autho rities aiming to obtain ascendancy in the State. The present times are full of warning. That the traitorous thought has found entrance into some minds, to ren ler the ecclesiastical independent of the civil authority nthis country, is matter of easy proof—the controversy now happily terminated was the medium of making it public. He has read the history of his country to little purpose who imagines these presages can be neglected with impunity ; and that Government deserves the gra titude of every enlightened citizen, which, in spite of clamour, falsehood, and foul vituperation, has turned aside the traitorous project to rob the Sovere:gn of her legitimate right, and to despoil the executive of its useful f u nctions in any system of National Education. (From the Standard.) The session of parliament rapidly approaches its close. In truth, between proxies and pairs, the two houses have already, in a great measure, divested themselves of the character of deliberative bodies, and may be said to be in some measure like the French Chamber of Deputies—self The routine of legislation still proceeds, but in a manner scarcely precedented in our parliamentary history ; and that cannot be satisfactory to such as think that reasoning- and discussion are proper preliminaries to the making of laws by which the complicated interest of a great people are to be adjusted and governed. If it is sufficient that a fourth or fifth part of the aristocracy and of the representative body directly concern them selves in the management of public affairs, it is surely as sufficient in January as in July. Be this, however, as it may, the fact is, that the thing now sitting is but a fraction of the Parliament ; and that it is so, can be ascribed only to the perfect confidence or to the thorough disgust of the Members of the two Houses that have withdrawn. For proof of perfect confidence, however, we must look in vain to the divisions of the Session ; these divisions giveevi dence of nothing but a singular absence of such confi dence. We are therefore driven to the conclusion that Lords and Gentlemen retire from the scene of their le gislative labours in disgust, that they see that they can do no good by the sacrifice of time and convenience, and content themselves in the hope that the few re meining at their posts are enough to prevent serious mischief. (From the Courier.) Our 'Welsh Contemporary, the Merthyr Guardian, thus notices the announcement of the appointment of the Rev. Connop Thirlwall to the see of St. David's : " The Rev. Connop Thirwall has been appointed Bishop of St. David's."—Morning Chronicle of Wednesday. Thus says the morning organ of the Government, and its object in making the assertion is obvious enough ; but we can tell our readers that the Rev. Connop Thirttvall has NOT been appointed Bishop of St. David's, and not withstanding the acknowledged talents and merits of that Rev. Gentleman, it is more than doubtful if he ever be appointed to the Bishopric ; nay, we are not without hopes of - Seeing a 'Welshman wear its mitre, as in justice he is entitled to do. If the Reverend Mr. Thirlwall had been appointed, what meaning could we attach to the reply of Lord Melbourne to the,Liverpool deputation : If there be so strong a desire for Welsh Bishops., how comes it to pass that there is no movement in the princi pality and among the Welsh clergy on the subject ?' or words to that effect. Did Lord Melbourne say that the see was filled up, or that it would be filled up with the haste that the Chronicle would have us believe. No. He asks for an expression of the people of Wales on this deeply interesting question ; ant he will not have long to wait for that opinion ; for the people of the principality are up and doing, and we wish them God speed." In the simplicity of his heart our Merthyr friend makes sure that Lord Melbourne is not a man of two mean ings, or rather that he is capable of speaking one way and acting another. Last Friday's Gazette will serve to show on how rotten a reed he leaned ; and it will be useful, moreover, as a note of reference for the whole principality, of the mode in which its spiritual concerns are understood and cared for by the Ministry of tile time being. The case of \Vales in that respect is not singular, since an approximation to Unita tian heresies, it is more than suspected, has been, and continues to be, one of the choicest recommendations to an English or Irish mitre. By Lord Melbourne's reply to a deputation from the Welsh Church in Liver pool, it will be seen that his Lordship equivocally inti mated that the want of a " movement," or agitation, in Wales and " among the Welsh clergy," might be assumed as the chief cause why immediate compliance with the desire expressed for the nomination of a Welsh Bishop was not granted ; the fair inference from which was, that in the event of such " movement" or otherwise, tha appointment would be made to depend. ACTION OF DAMAGES-EDIN- BURGH JURY COURT. HORNE V. ROSS. Oa Thursday, the following issue, in an action for de famation at the instance of Donald Horne, Esq., W.S., against Hugh Rose Ross, Esq., of Cromarty, came on for trial before Lord Cockburn and a Jury : " Whether at Inverness, in Wilson's Inn, on or about the '3(l day of October, 1839, and in presence and hear ing of Alexander Thomson Monro, Lieutenant and Adjutant in the Royal Horse Guards, Evan Mackenzie and Colin John Mackenzie, sons of Sir Cohn Mackenzie of Kilcoy, and Alexander' Cumine, clerk to Alex ander Mactavish, solicitor in Inverness, or one or other of them, the defender did falsely and calumniously say that the pursuer was a coward, or a damned coward ; or did falsely and calumniously use, or utter words to that tffect, to the loss, injury, and damage of the pur suer r Damages laid at 1,0001. The Dean of Faculty appeared for the plaintiff, and the Solicitor-General for the defender. - - After a long address from Lord CocKnuaN, the Jury retired, and after a short deliberation returned a una nimous verdict for the plaintiff—Damages 5001. ANECDOTES OF NAPOLEON. The Siecle keeps alive the Napoleon enthusiasm by publishing from day to day the feuilletons of M. Marco de St. Hilaire respecting the last days of the empire. The feuilleton of this morning gives an account of the attempt made by Napoleon at Fontainebleau to com mit suicide, which is far more detailed than anything which had hitherto been published on the subject. Napoleon, after the infanious abandonment of Berthier, and the open insults of Ney, had indirectly signified his intention of destroying himself ; and his valets-de chambre, Constant and Manchand, had taken the pre caution to remove his dagger and take out the powder and ball from his pistol case. No danger was there fore apprehended ; and although Napoleon, when the treaty resulting from his abdication was brought to him, had refused to sign it, and declared that he had an alternative, it was believed from his manner that he had abandoned the idea of suicide. The narrative then proceeds : At one o'clock in the morning the Duke de Vicence Caulincourt) was sent for by the Emperor. On en tering the chamber be found the Emperor in convul sions, with his face pale, his mouth eontracted, and his eyes starting from their sockets. " Ah, Sire," said Caulincourt, " what has happened to you! You are very ill ; let me call in a physician." " No," replied the Emperor, "it would be useless ; go into my cabinet and take the pocket-book which contains the letters of • the Empress—you will take it to my son, and give that letter which is on the table to my wife ; tell her that I deplore my misfortunes only on her account and that of the King of Rome. You will tell her, that having failed in rendering France triumphant over its enemies, I no longer regret the loss of life." " Ah, Sire !" said Caulincourt, " I guess the dreadful truth ; your Majesty is resolved that we shall die of grief." Napoleon cast a melancholy look upon him, and in a voice which was becoming weaker and weaker, said, ' Yes, it is true, I could no longer resist the torture hat I have undergone, and the humiliation to which I rito be subjected in being surrounded by foreign agents. My eagles have been dragged in the dust— Ab,my poor Caulincourt, I have been but little known shall be regretted when lam no more. My friends my companions in arms have abandoned me—Marmont and Berthier have inflicted the last blow—they whom I loved so truly." A crisis came on and stopped the voice of the Ern perer. He became greatly convulsed, then vomited .".nightly, and had another convulsion. Afraid lest he 7711hould allow the pain whi c h h e suffered to overpower • '-Ilis\courage and give vent to groans and cries, he bad ',4lglist a handkerchief into his mouth. In this fright , • - , :xjtOituation Caulincourt did not dare to call for assist- - 7-• t • ance, as Napoleon had forbidden his doing so ; but he cast his eyes round the room to look for a le-lbrope Napoleon, however, as if aware of what he was attempt ing to do, grasped him by the arm, held him fast, i and repeated the following words in a broken voice : Be quiet, be quiet : if you are my friend, you ought not to interpose any obstacle to the way in which I put an end to my existence. I do not wish any others to be witnesses of my last moments." Caulincourt leant over the bed of the Emperor, and not daring to dis obey him burst into tears, and exclaimed—" My God ! my God ! will no one come to my assistance." At length a more abundant vomiting appeared- to give relief to the Emperor, who, after a violent spasm, ex claimed—" It is of no use, death will not come to me ;" then fell fainting upon his pillow. The Duke took advantage of this situation to go for Constant. The latter, on approaching the bed of the Emperor, saw the remains of a little silk bag which his master usually wore round his neck, scattered on the ground. At this sight he uttered a cry, for he also had guessed the fearful truth. He rushed from the chamber for aid. During his absence, Napoleon said to Caulincourt—" Caulincourt, if I die, I recommend to your care my wife and my child ; be faithful to them as you have been to me." Constant baying returned with Yoan the physician—" Sire," said Caulincourt, in a suppliant voice, " in the name of the Empress, of your son, and of France, let me entreat you to take something." Napoleon, overcome by his entreaties, consented to take a little tea. A new crisis came on. As soon as it had subsided a little, the Emperor said to Yoan, who was feeling his pulse, " Doctor, do you think the dose was strong enough ?" These words were an enigma to the doctor, who was ignorant of what had taken place, and he replied, " Pardon, Sire, I do not know what your Majesty alludes to." " The Emperor has poisoned himself," whispered Caulincourt. At this fearful secret, Yoan grew pale, and fearing that he should be accused of having administered the poison, rushed out of the room, mounted a horse, and rode like a madman to Paris. He had hardly departed when Caulincourt and Constant were fortunate enough to prevail upon the Emperor to take a second and then a third cup of tea. The spasms ceased entirely, and by de grees Napoleon became more calm and fell into a doze. Caulincourt then withdrew, having recommended the greatest secresy to Constant. A great mystery long hung over khe events of the night, but the veil has been raised. It appears that before Napoleon set out for the campaign in Russia, he said to his first physician, Corvisant, I have no desire to fall alive into the hands of the Cossacks. I wish to brave fate, and always to be master of my person." He obtained from Corvisant some prussic acid, which was put into a hollow ring and enclosed in a silk bag, which he wore round his neck. The activity of this poison had been destroyed by the length of time during which it had been kept, and had thus failed to accomplish the deadly purpose for which it was intended. After a sleep of some hours Napoleon awoke ; his face was frightfully pale, his eyes were sunk, and be was almost incapable of movement. He insisted, however, on quitting his bed, that he might receive the persons who usually visited him at his levee. At mid-day Macdonald arrived, and being in troduced into the Emperor's chamber, the Marshal found him seated, half dressed, dejectedly before the fire, with the Dukes of Vicence and Bassano seated near. " Sire," said Caulincourt, " the Duke of Tarente is come for the ratification of the treaty." The Em peror then lifted his head, and turning to the Marshal, said, " Ah, is that you, Macdonald ?" He now resumed his former position, and Macdonald, struck with his ap pearance, observed to him that he must have been seriously ill since he quitted him. Napoleon again raised his head, and fixing his eyes on Macdonald, said, " Yes, yes ! I have passed a dreadful night, but I am better now." The Emperor remained seated some moments longer, but making an effort he took the treaty, and proceeding towards the fire-place read it without making any remark ; then pointing with his finger to a table on which was an inkstand, said to Caulincourt, " I beg your pardon, Caulincourt, but have the goodness to draw that table hither, for I am not strong enough." The Dukes of Vicence and Bassano did so, and Napoleon, addressing Macdonald, said, "My dear Macdonald, I am no longer rich enough to reward your last services." " Sire," said Macdonald, as if hurt by these words, " your Majesty must know that I never served you for interest." " It is true," replied the Emperor, " you have recently proved to me how much you have been belied—l shall never forget what you have done for see ; however, I would--" At this moment the Emperor's emotion did not permit him to finish the sentence. He stretched out his arms, after a silence of a few moments, and lolking sadly and affectionately at the Marshal, said, " Mac donald, I would embrace you." Macdonald threw himself in tears into the arms of the Empe ror, whilst Vicence and Bassano, also in tears, clasped their hands in silence. " Gentlemen," at length said Napoleon, " after having done every thing, during twenty years, for the glory and honour of France, I return into the hands of the nation the crown which I received from it." Then ad dressing Macdonald, he said, " My dear Marshal, I hope if you ever visit Italy you will come to see me in Elba. Remember well that my abdication and rati fication of this treaty can only be binding so long as the conditions are observed towards the army." He now passed his hand over his brow, and in a stifled voice added, as if to himself, " Il faut en finir," then took up the pen, signed the treaty, and gave it to Mac donald, turning his head aside to conceal his tears. A QUAINT CHARACTER. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. was not the law, and it could not therefore be done. Witli ree-ara to the French tr ea t,,, he indulged, a 1.1- , pc that the negotiations golog, on on the suii , ct viould be soon brought to a conclusion, so that he might he able to submit it to the consideration of Parliament early next Session, and to obtain their sanction for the alterations it might propose. He could not, however, entertain such a hope for the present Session. THE GREEN PARK. HOUSE OF COMMONS, JULY 27. The SPEAKER took the Chair at Four o'Clock. The Metropolis Improvement Bill (No. I.) was read a third time and passed on the motion of Mr. E. J. STANLEY. Mr. F. MAULE presented a petition from the Congregation of Strathbogie, which the Honourable Gentlem an sa id h e i n t en d e d as an answer to one that had been presented by the Right Hon. Baronet (Sir Robert Peel) from the Ministers of that parish, complaining of the conduct of the General Assembly, and praying the House to adopt some measures far the settlement of this long-disputed question. Also, a pe tition with a similar prayer from Inverness. Mr PROTHERO presented a petition from the attorneys of Halifax, praying for a removal of the Courts of Law to a more convenient situation. Mr. GROTE presented a petition signed by a num ber of persons in the coffee-trade, praying that the protecting duty on British colonial sugar may not be increased, and for a proportionable increase in the duty on East India coffee to that of other countries. Mr. BAINES presented a petition from the Lon don Missionary Society, complaining of the sanction given to idolatry by the British residents in India, and praying for the interference of the House. Also a si milar petition from a congregation of Protestant Dis senters at Stoke Newington. Mr. GLADSTONE presented a petition from the Clergy of Nenagh, in Ireland, complaining that they had not received satisfactory settlement of their claims under the Tithe Commutation Act. Mr. SHIEL presented petitions from Nenagh and other places, praying the House to adopt some mea sure for the better remuneration of medical witnesses. IDOLATRY IN INDIA. Mr. ALSTON wished to ask the Secretary of the Treasury whether he was prepared to assure the House that there was no intention of planting or making gar dens, or altering the fences of the Green Park ? Mr. STANLEY said that there was no intention of making any material alteration in the Green Park, or of excluding the public from any part of it. But at the same time he should say that a project was under con sideration for making some additi on to t h e f ences i n th a t portion of the Park which exttnded from Sutherland prate to Cleveland-row, for the greater security of the inhabitants in the neighbourhood. Mr. H. BARING wished to ask the Right Hon. Gentlemen, whether there were any intention of making a new footway from Pimlico to Constitution Hill. Mr. STANLEY was not aware of any such inten-' tion on the part of the Commissioners of Woods and Forests. Sir R. PEEL did not see the necessity for the pro posed fencing, as he thought some other precaution might be taken for the security of the inhabitants of the neighbourhood of the Park. Mr. STANLEY did not say that the proposal had been decided on. It was as yet merely under consi deration. Mr. PROTHEROE begged leave to ask if there would be any objection to lay before the House the plans which were under consideration of the Commis sioners of Woods and Forests? Mr. A LS'FON observed th a t if t h ere were any in tention of laying their plans before Parliament, it , othe rw i se no one cou ld l37 be eff ecte d i n the P ar k he 'dg ie tt and the next meet i ng o f Par liament. , tlbeea donete alterations prorogationon m s m m e ' Mr. BARING WALL was about to make some observations, when The SPEAKER called the lion. Member to order. The Hon. Member might ask any question he thought proper of the Right Hon. Secretary ; but he could not make any observations at that time. Mr. HUME asked when the Report relating to po litical prisoners would be laid on the table ? No answer was given. Mr. B. WALL then gave notice that he would to morrow move, that the plans under consideration of the \Voods and Forests should be laid before the House. POSTAGE. Sir R. INGLIS presented petitions from the Church Missionary Society, the Derby Church Missionary Society and the Bankers and Merchants of Bristol against Idolatry in India. The Hon. Baronet stated that he would take that opportunity of putting the question of which he had given notice to the Right Hon. Baronet opposite. As long ago as 1838, the Right Hon. Baronet had stated that as far as depended upon him he thought the time had arrived when there should he a discontinuance of the connection of the East India Company with the system of idolatry that had existed in India. That statement was made in answer to a question of the Honourable Member for Leeds. It was not his intention now to enter into the merits of the case, but the Right Honourable Baronet having stated that a despatch should be sent to the Government of India with respect to which there could be no mistake, he wished first to know if such a despatch had been addressed to the Government of India, and what was the result of the despatch that had been sent to the Presidencies of Ben gal and Madras.—(Hear, hear.) He wished also to know if such a despatch had been sent out to Ma dras, and not acted on by the authorities there ? whether any censure had been passed upon the go vernment of Madras in this respect. He also wished to know whether the Right Hon. Baronet would feel it his duty to give to the House, or to withhold, the copy of any such despatch. Sir JOHN HOBHOUSE said that in answer to the first question which his hon. friend had put to him, he begged to say that not ten days after he had given the assurance to which he had alluded, he had done his best to carry the assurance into effect. On the Bth of August a despatch was sent by him to the Government of India upon the subject, the concluding words of which were these—" We further desire that you will make such arrangement as may appear to you neces sary for relieving from services, whether Christian, Maho metan, or Hindoo, any person who may refuse on account of religious scruples." In consequence of this despatch being sent to the Government of India Lord Auckland applied himself to the subject, and the result was that the pilgrim tax had been totally abol►shed and other inconveniences put an end to. In answer to the question of the Hon. Baronet whether he had any objection to lay before the House the proceedings taken by the Go vernment of India in respect of those despatches, he begged to say that not only had he no objection to do so, but he thought it was his duty. With respect to the other question, as to Madras—the Governor-Ge neral of India had addressed instructions to the minor Pr esidencies of Bombay and. Madras, in order that the steps which had been adopted at Bengal might be adopted there, and what Lord Auckland said in his letter of No vember, 1839, was that they knew nothing throughout Bengal of such processions as those to which the Bishop of London had alluded, nor were there any such that he was aware of at Bombay ; it was only at Madras that any such thing existed, and the Noble Lord said that he had written to Lord Elphinstone o❑ the subject. This was the answer that he had to give to his Honourable Friend. Perhaps before he sat down he might as well inform his Hon. Friend that the Government found greater difficulty in effecting these changes in the presidency of Madras than in any other presidency. There were in the Government more of these endowments for chari table purposes than in any of the others, and in order to prevent them being divested from their legitimate purposes, the collectors there certainly were not natives, but British subjects, and it had engaged the anxious attention of the Government, whether they might not be enabled to transfer the care of these en dowments from British subjects to natives, without suffering them to be diverted from the charitable pur poses for which they were originally intended. That was the real difficulty, and which by one mode or another the Government shortly hoped to be able to get over. With respect to the attend ance of British troops he b,ilieved the Right ,Hon. Baronet's apprehensions were by no means well grounded. They were certainly called out to form the escort of the Rajah of Travancore, but no complaint had reached the Government from the officers in com mand as to these troops being improperly employed, and he could give the Right Hon. Baronet his assur ance that these troops had not been called out to pay honour to the idols or to assist in the religious ceremo nies. The troops never took any part in the ceremo nies or processions, and they were always drawn up at a distance from the temples. He intended, in the course of the evening, to move for papers which would give the Right Honourable Baronet every information he re quired upon almost all the points he had referred to. He might rest assured that the Government would not relax its exertions, and so much having been done was, he trusted, a guarantee that all that was required would be accomplished. (Hear, hear.) Sir R. INGLIS said nothing could be more satisfac- On the motion for the further consideration of the Report of the Committee of Supply, sth May last, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved to reduce the amount of the item for foreign postage frem 64,0001. to 40,000/., being a reduction of 24,000/. Mr. GOULBURN said he was as anxious as any person the business of the House should proceed with out unnecessary delay ; but he felt little regret at a postponement which had produced such an effect. He thought, however, the sum still required extremely large, as the Treasury and Colonial Offices took together but 15,000/. for postage. He thought the amount de manded for the Foreign Office still far beyond what the necessities of the case required. Lord PALMERSTON said the mistake had taken place at the post.office. He had made very strict regu lations with respect to the parties who sent parcels or letters in the foreign bags, and he hoped the amount would be still further reduced in another year. He would do all in his power to confine the amount within those limits which the nature of the service would allow. EXPEDITION TO EGYPT. Mr. HUME, before the vote was agreed to, wished to ask of the Noble Lord, or any one of the Govern ment present, whether there was any truth in the report that a large military force was about to he dis patched to the Lvant ; they ought to know whether the case was so or not. Lord PALMERSTON said if they were to be called upon to answer as to the truth of all reports that were circulated, their labours would be very much increased. If the Hon. Gentleman merely meant to ask what was the policy of the Government upon the affairs of the East, he would see that it 4as a question which he (Lord Palmerston) could not answer. Mr. HUME.—The Noble Lord did not know his own policy, therefore it was not likely that he would ask him any question upon it.—(A laugh.) The re port was that 3,000 troops were to be sent out ; he would not ask them what they were going to do, for the Noble Lord probably did not know himself, but the House ought to be put in possession of the fact. Lord PALMERSTON would only ask the Hon. Member if he really believed the Report to be true ? (Loud laughter.) Mr. HUME said he did believe it because the report bad had an effect upon the public securities. The infor mation had been given to him, and he thought the Noble Lord ought to satisfy the House upon the point. It was easy either to say yes or no. Lord PALMERSTON—Then I say No.— (Laughter.) QUADRUPLE TREATY—SPAIN. Sir R. PEEL would ask the Noble Lord a question, which did not affect the foreign policy of the country. He wished to know whether the contingency in reference to the Quadruple Treaty entered into between this country, France, Spain, and Portugal had arrived ? whether the conditions were fulfilled ? or whether it was still in force ? Lord PALMERSTON said it sould appear that the fair meaning of the partie s when they entered into that engagement was, that they w ou ld ass i s t th e Q ueen of Spain in the contest which was going on with Don Carlos. Substantially he conceived that the contest was over, because Don Carlo s had been expelled from Spain, and not less than 27 ,000 o f hi s troops had crossed the frontier, into Prance, and were now within that territory. He should say, virtually, that the contest was over, but if the same state of things again arose, the spirit of the treaty would be still in force, and the parties would be bound by it. Sir R. PEEL said with respect to any intestine ON o u l d nodded have n a o s s ot. troubles wholly un connected with Don Carlos, that treaty, he p a AlA ppr m eh E en ß d s ed r , w The remaining resoluti ons were then agreed to. L application ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER brought up the Report of the Committee of Supply (13th July). Sir THOMAS COCHRANE begged to ask the Noble Lord (Palmerston) whether the marines stationed on the coast of Spain would be recalled now that the war had terminated ? Lord PALMERSTON said a communication had been made to the Government of Spain as to whether these troops were any longer necessary, and they had not yet received an answer. Some years ago I had an old man in my employ who was a perfect specimen of the picturesque both in mind and person. He was tall, lean, and bony. He had been, the greater part of his life, a Quaker ; and, to the day of his death, he wore the Quaker costume in its most perfect primevality—his broad hat, half cock and half slouch ; his drab coat of an ample length and breadth of skirts ; his drab waistcoat, with flaps of such liberal dimensions, that they afforded room for pockets as large as those in most men's coats ; his brab breeches, fast ened at the knees with buckles ; his neat gray worsted stockings, and capacious shoes, clasped with large steel buckles.' At one time he had been baker at Ackworth School ; at another, coachman to a very quaint and ec centric Friend ; and in the course of his life be had picked up a good many shrewd notions and racy phrases of his own. He was noted among his acquaintance for a man of a " large religious experience." I once casually overheard him conversing with a youth, who seemed, from his remarks, to be a little sceptical, or who was desirous to call the old fellow out on his fa vourite topics. " William," said he, "don't you think it is all our overweening conceit that makes us fancy that there is to be an eternity for us ?" " No," replied William, " it is our stupidity that makes us doubt it. We are poor creatures, Edward, we are poor crea tures ; we cannot open our hearts wide enough to com prehend God's goodness, and so we libel it. Put me this great jug into that tea-cup." " Yes," said Edward, " Do that yourself, William ; it's past my skill." " Well, then, put me the sky into the crown of my hat." —" Ab," said Edward, laughing, " that's rather better. Yours is no trifle of a hat, William, certainly, but it won't hold the sky—that's rather broader than your brims." " Then," replied William, " how is such a little head as thine to hold the love of God towards his creatures, which, like God himself, the heaven of heavens cannot contain ?"—" But," said Edward, " what kind of a thing do you suppose a spirit is ? Do you imagine it a blue thinnish thing like a mist, or a smoke that we could see through ? What shall we be like, think you, William ?"—" Like ! Why, I will tell thee ; the spirit is the real man! We shall be like what we are. What thou seest is only the shell, the husk of the man—the spirit is the reel man."— " What!" exclaimed the captious youn gs t er , " d o you expect to rise, William, with your Quaker coat and bat on ; with your cough, rheumatism, asthma, and all ?" " No, no ! thank God ! no asthma. I expect delight ful breathing on the heavenly plains ; but I cannot drive it into thee, that all these things are as much mere husk as my old coat. The spirit is the actual man ; and when I rise I count upon looking just as I do now," said the tall old man, rearing himself up to his full height, and clapping his hands down the sides o f hi s thighs, as a soldier at the word " attention !" " only rather younger, and a little handsomer."—Willi am Howilt, in Tait's .21fagazine. tory than the Right Hon. Gentleman's answer so far as regarded Bengal and Bombay, and he trusted that as regarded the Presidency of Madras, measures would be adopted to remedy the evil complained of. Lord SANDON presented a petition from Liver pool, praying for an alteration of the duty on coffee. Sir F. POLLOCK presented petitions in favour of Church Extension and for the dismissal of Ministers, from places in Staffordshire ; also a petition from some place the name of which we could not catch, praying that the funds devoted to the support of grammar schools might not be diverted from their original ob jects, and petitions from Glasgow and other places, praying for a remission of sentence for the Monmouth shire political offenders, and that they might be restored to their families. Mr. LABOUCHERE presented a petition from Belfast against the Linen Trade Bill. NOTICES OF MOTION. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER then brought up the Report of the Committee of Sup ply of the 24th of July. ADDITIONAL SEAMEN. On the question being put that the House agree to a vote of 2,000 additional men for the navy, Mr. HUME said he felt hound again to express his opposition to the vote as being improvident and un called for. He would not take the sense of the House upon the subject, but be should say " No," to the vote. Lord PALMERSTON would not on the present occasion go into a discussion with his Hon. Friend on that subject, but he would merely state, as his Hon. Friend had laid that the papers laid on the table shewed that the English Government had pledged itself to Mehemet Ali to sum port him in the occupation of the districts of which , he was in possession, that if his Hon. Friend had read the papers, he would have seen that no agreement had been made, and that the English Government was no party whatever to any guarantee on9 . 2way_or the other. Captain PECHELL gave notice that on Thursday he should move for a return of the number of churches and chapels built within the last ten years—at whose expense they were built—how the funds were raised— and how the proceeds arising from pew rents or other wise were applied. Mr. HUME gave notice of his intention to move for certain returns relating to the Court of Session in Scot land. Sir JAMES GRAHAM wished to remind the Chancellor of the Exchequer that on the 6th of June he had moved for certain returns relating to the corpo ration of Cambridge, which had not yet been made. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER would make inquiries on the subject. Mr. GOULBURN would also remind the Right Hon. Gentleman that he had moved for certain returns relating to the Pest Office, which had not yet been made. PRESTEIGN REFORM DINNER. —.We have had a glorious gathering—upwards of a hundred good men and true shook the hand of fellowship at the Oxford Arms, on Tuesday, the 14th instant, and felt that the time for apathy had passed away, that the representation of the county had, through that apathy, been snatched from their hands, that to achieve the freedom of Radnorshire is a work worthy of Britons, and and that to accomplish the work, a union of Reformers should forthwith tak e p l ace . This was not a dinner of the Radnor shire Refor mers genera ll y , or the gathering would indeed have been large ; it was an assembly of the Reformers of Presteign and neighbourh oo d, n d neighbourh oo d, an d t h e mee ti ng was composed of most of respectabl e Lib erals of the town and immediate vicinity.— Hereford Times Mr. G. PALMER gave notice that to-morrow he would put the question to the Noble Lord the Secretary for Foreign Affairs of which he had given notice on Tuesday last for to-morrow. FiNSBURY PREBEND BILL. Mr. GREENE said, with respect to the Finsbury Prebend Bill, the course he should suggest would be that the Committee should meet to-morrow without any set tled number of Members—that they should re p or t th e i r proceedings to the House so far—that the Re port should be brought up, and that the Bill be recommitted, so that they might commence de novo, and add a sufficient number of members to the Committee, and late as it was in the Session, he trusted they should be able to add Members sufficient. He felt the difficulty was great, but he was not aware that any other course could be pursued. Mr. WAKLEY said, he did not object to the course proposed, but as it was a deviation from the Standing Orders, the House ought to know why it was done. There was nothing he objected t o more t h an t h e taking technical objections for the purpose of obstruct ing a Bill. COMMERCIAL TREATY WITH FRANCE. Mr, BENJAMIN WOOD wished to ask the President of the Board of Trade whether the commer cial treaty between this country and France was likely to be concluded before the recess ; and whether, in that case, it would be immed iatel y brought into operation. Mr. LABOUCHERE said he was glad the ques tion h a d b een p u t to him, as he believed that consider able mi sappre h ens i o n prevailedin the public mind on the su bj ect . I t was i m p o ssible that any treaty by which it was proposed to lower the rates of duties should b e fi na ll y sett l e d till it bad received the sanction of Parliament.---(Hear, hear.) That LUKEWARMNESS OF DISSENTERS.--51,s1Ut frt. R o CH RATES.--DISSENTERS OF HACKNEY.—During 0 night there have been three Church-rate meetings in this parish, where the Dissenters are probably as numerous and respectable as any in part of the kingdom. Their chapels are computed to seat between 8,000 and 9,000 persons. Yet, in the district of West Hackney, where the oppesition to Church-rates has always been strongest, on a two day's poll, not 150 persons coald be found to vote against the rate ; in South Hackney, sixteen hands were held up in opposition, and no poll called for ; and in the mother parish, after a three hours' debate and during a three days' poll, eighty persons (some of them Churchmen) re gistered their names against a compulsory rate ! Every body in the parish, not a Dissenter, is asking what the terms con science, consistency, principle, and the like, which form the burthen of so many speeches and petitions, signify in the vo cabulary of Dissent. THE HOUSEHOLD SUFFRAGE PETITION. The petition, which we last week stated had emanated from the new Household Suffrage Association, has receiv e d no f ewer than 15,000 signatures—a pretty strong proof of the feeling entertained by the inhabitants on the subject of Parliamentary Reform. We may also state that amongst the persons aho have appended their names to the petition are many gentlemen, hitherto of the Whig party, who six months ago would sooner have thrust their hands into the fire than have signed any such document. --Leeds Times. • Mr. HUME had omitted to bring down Col. Camp bell's despatch with him, but that despatch assured Mehemet Ali that the British Government would sup port him in retaining possession of the territories ceded to him after the battle of Koniah, provided he would not declare himself independent of the Turkish empire. It was evident the Noble Lord had mistaken the purport of his own instructions. The item was then agreed to. TRAFALGAR-SQUAR E. On coming to the vote for the Improvement of Tra falgar -square, Mr. GREENE asked the Chancellor of the Exche quer bad been would he subscribed t n complete give an e tb the Nelson funds Testimonial? If there were not, the erection of the column in that area ought not to be allowed ; for if the Testimonial were left unfinished, it would be a most unsightly object. Sir R. INGLIS said that the Testimonial Com mittee of which he had the honour to be a member, had entered into a contract for completing the whole of the column with its capital and a statue at the top. They had in their hands more than sufficient for this purpose, although he was not sure that they had enough for all that they would desire to do.—(Hear.) But there was no occa sion to be uneasy as to the effect of the column when completed.—(Hear.) Mr. PROTHEROE thought that the Government was to blame for having given its consent to the erec tion of the column before they had ascertained that suf ficient funds for its completion had been collected. If the Testimonial were to be left, denuded of its ornaments, it would be a most unsightly and intolerable object. He did not object to the amount of the grant for effecting so great an improvement in so important a part of the town.—( Hear, 'hear.) But he did not think sufficient care had been taken to prevent the improvement from being marred, .by the Testimonial being left in an un finished state. I ,1 Sir H. VIVIAN could not agree with the Hon. Member who had spoken last, that the Government were dese iag of censure for the course they had pur- EVENING EDITION. _ . sued on this subject. He eoe.,,id assure the House that t five years he had been e ent a n " -.'-l• • • • eed tls i c i Ch i ne se ',ere in lilts in aid of the law of netione. rese.eeeniled of the ''' 7 1-1 an-, amps 11, `' Gc l y"'"ivE et t had taken they had hese earnest, and that the trade ' ll I ' ' ' T , e s ee e no t oes t ; he was eon- or .1, :.-eie and of tee e , ... ee ,: e ~, s . e r e . : rl,, ,• - actuated only b y l desi-e '., to do that which aee. right aea. vinced that a rueture must icon bre•out.All there /neeed taw 1)01 been en - up I • the Han. G-sel . e ••' ofthe 'things all .*- . China, '-- ~ . '• ' " i' • • • . most likely to meet v: i the itn n approbation The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER any steps for withdrawing frbm the country. agree to that, they knew Europeans well enough to said that he tlid not think that was the most convenient The alleged want of notice, than, was a mere know that they did not like to be robbed or murdered , time for discuesing the subject, while the papers con- fallacy, for the Chinese had long Islaown their deter- • and every Chinaman must be aware that we did not sleeted with it remained still unprinted. He had no mined hostility to the trade. It was, then said, that in think it right either according to the law of nations or doubt thaa w h en the time came, the subscription list defiance of the law of nati ons the Cliinese had placed in the law of nature.—( Cheers.) The Hon. Gentleman would be filled up. duresse a whole community of foreigners, in order to said the law of nature was applicable to the Chinese. The vote was then agreed to, as were several others, reach the contraband goods of a portion. But we hail ' Nov was it according to the low of nature, when an in nn right to press the law of nations up on Chi na , f or s h e dividual wanted something o f w hi c h a . ot h er was pos' WAR WITH CHINA. , did not exact that code from us, neither was that code sassed, to lay hold of a third party and keep him e on. On the vote for the additional seamen to supply the binding upon a nation which had never acktmowiedeed : fined midi the property desired was given up ? That place of those engaged in the expedition to China being i par_ o. _ le .aw 0. nature i it, nor had anything to do in its forrriation. Beside:hie 1 wits . tf ti 1 't with which proposed, g and acquainted, , _ • should never desire Mr. GLADSTONE said he could not allow the ' Principle 1 ' ' ' • ' 1 of nte wet responsibility' wes acknowl -d ed ' ind with which he acted upon in England. If a riot took place in a bun- ; become acquainted.—(Clieers.) Tee Hon. Gentleman present opportunity to pass without at all events calling dred, and damage was done to property, the inhebitents, said that tee duresse consisted merely in refusing them the attention of the House to and entering his pro 'the great majority o f them innocent parties, were held ' passports. Did the Hon. Gentleman think he sail' test against the expedition in question. It might be responsible for th e damage. NV by then' should we be talking of Paris, or Turin, or Downing-street ? asked what advantane he proposed to himself in bringing surprised that a nation like the Chinese should act upon Mr. GLADSTONE-4 said, something equivalent the question under consideration then, at that late pe tlile same natural . principle ? It wasito be remembered to a refusal of passports. rind, when lie could not hope to stay the arms- the it in was Chinaia e v ideate ha Sir JOHN HOBHOUSE denied that it was merelY meet in any way. The answer was that during the pre t t was not e . ngag . - 0 , the opliT: equivalent to a refusal of passports. If lie were to ask sent Session he had not seen an opportunity of interfering trade, and these were the partees h wh du evidence placed ' his Noble Friend for a passport to Paris, and instead of with success or with any hope of preventing the armament resse. h He contended that all t e went to giving him one, he were to shut 'him up without aril from proceeding. He was afraid that he would not show t that the Chinese merely demanded the . per thing to eat, would that be equivalent to a refusal of find any great body of persons to agree with him son h of Mr. D . ent, because he tees the gentleman in passports ? Certainly he would not get his p ass port, in protesting against the olejects of that arma- w o stood highest in the estimation of hot but neither would he get his dinner. (Cheers and meet. That was not now the question.—(Hear, hear.) It wa s no t now a vo l untary movement on his the Chinese and th e B r iti s h, an d th ere f ore th a t th e y laughter.) But the n th e y were perm i tte d a certa i n d egre e would be able to make better terms with him than any part—it was now a p os iti ve d eman d ma d e on t h e part other, water occasionally—i n o th er wor d s, t h ey were not per'the British resident s having positively refused t of liberty ; their servan t s were perm i tte d to b r i ng t h e ir of the Government f or a vo t e o f money i n support o f an expedition, the o bj ec t s o f w hi c h it was due to give that gentl eman u p, because parties in the cause of mitred to die of thirst. True, they we re no t u l t i ma tely , quarrel, and were liable to all the responsibilities at starved to death, but no thanks to the Hon. Gentleman's the Noble Lord and the Government to say, t h a a c d ll to the refusal. Then it was said that the Chinese friend, Commissioner Lin, that this did not happen. were honestly and plainly declared. The Noble insulted her Majesty's representative. In what way Lord in the early part of the Session plainly (Cheers.) They owed their preservation mainly to the did he appear in that character ? The Government might stated that the objects of the armament were know th . e ofthe Captain . hisEliot—(Loudknew own position ; but had the Chinese ever received Brifisr!the station of difficulty and of danger, had rescued them the English flag ; 'second, compensation for in any other rc light_ than as a superintendent of from their situation ; and, notwithstanding the s peech juries inflicted on the property of British subjects ; he waslh commerce rn f e h ey . He was not evea a Consul, certainly and the wishes of the Hon. Gentleman, he hoped it and third, security for our commercial inter o ahi her rode, and not entitled l course for the future. The statement of those to the not • would eventually prove that he bad saved their propertY objects was a challenge to the House, which he, for one, to be the privileges ße of a t public n ri h in e ist minister. But him also.—(Cheers.) The Hon. Gentleman had gone so far did not, in his conscience, feel he should be justified not demand ithreesen'ative af t Queen, lliot untilneliseeh(aid as to say that this conduct on the part of the Chinese in allowing to pass altogether unnoticed. He was identified himself detention ' Captain • with the opium traffic by the re- was no violation of natural justice, and that d claratioa struck him as being almost as curious e en as as some Lan, not allowed to enter into the general question whether fusel to give up Mr. Dent, and declared that he a warlike expedition ought or ought not under all the would defend the opium ships. The ° ractical upshot which the Hon. Gentleman had said when the subject circumstances of the case to be sent against China. of theproceedings of the Government' P hi . was to say that , they was last debated in the House. Was it no violation of He would leave to the prerogative of the Crown ~o n • ,natural justice to lay hold of persons for the purpose of snore determined to carry on the opium trade, in spi h te e getting possession of their property ?—(Cheers.) Ac' and her Majesty's Ministers the responsibility of the of the seize se authorities. The Chinese i had not I, t er cording to his views, the conduct of the Chinese was O t expedition ; but there was one of the three objects enu merated by the Noble Lord the Secretary for the power to theopium ships ; they iad b o a t ; i co, ding such a violation of justice as to be abhorrent to the means of puttingh they down the traffic whic hthey they a n - feeling; of every subject of a free state,but to those eves Colonies, which, if he interpreted his language right, did Hated than t t those put in force, and wer d e nothe of , tell subjects of the greatest tyranny in eh e worlo• appear to call for some expression of sentiment on the h m la ea a s d u a re f s o cruelty. The opium ea ships had shed she i t , d, , File Hon. Gentleman towards the conclnsion of hi s part of that House : he meant the object of demanding the l Chinese ; and, alas . one Queens ship had, .sign had made use of those eloquent appeals which from the Chinese Government a full compensation for .1 November last shed the blood of hundreds of na were so familiar to him. He said there was a feeling the opium surrendered in the mouth of August, 1839. ' titres, without any case of danger to justify such h a e of justice, of morality, and of religiora gradually gran"' If he was wrong in that interpretation of the language course. He could assure the Noble Lord that t • ing up in this country. Now he 'hoped lie might SOY of the Noble Lord, he might save time if he were at time would soon come when the people of England that these feelings had attained to a full growth in this once corrected. He would set aside the general policy would be amazed to find that the Government nan of the war, and lie would set aside even that which was country, long and long ago - -(Cheers)—and that feel' gone to war upon a demand for compensation, under all more immediately connected, nay, substantially con- netted with the ing the Hon. Gentlem an l ea d sa id would become for the circumstanc e s o f th e case : th at upon suc h groun d s present subject--he meant th e e ff ec t o f inidable to the Gov e r nment if i t became predom ill we had spilled innocent blood, which cried aloud for the present expeeLtion upon the opium tr a d e it se lf. I t was the House of Commons. as it was becoming i i inn n the vengeance. He trusted they would be able to retrace right it should be known, while so much feeling was country, if they continued the course they had entere d their steps before fatal consequences ensued, for the on relating to China and the opium question. Now, II entertained in this country upon the subject of the con indignation of the people of England would, before tinuance of the opium trade, bow direct an influence that would ask, what feeling of justice, ' • °' of morality, or long, work awful retr;bution. expedition had exercised upon the promotion of that religion had been exhibited by those atrocious monsters Sir JOHN HOB HOUSE—Although there is no : a in the conduct they had pursued towards the Englis h trade.—(Hear, hear.) He was not left to inference to doubt at all that the Hon. Gentleman is fully justified at Canton ? He was convinced that that growing justify the statement of such a proposition, but a few in the course he has taken upon a money vote, he could feeling in the country would support the Governmen figures of the most undeniable character would establish it beyond the possibility o f d ou b t . Th e C a l cutta sa l es not see ivhat earthly g oo d cou ld accrue f rom t h e in the part which they thought it their duty to take i ii of opium in January were , f or P a t na op i um 437 rupees statement of the Hon. M em b er . Th e H on . G ent l eman reference to this qu es ti on . H e was not afraid that t he a chest, and for Benare s o pi um 416 ru p ees a c h es t, B y had given some good r easons w hy h e h a d d e l aye d hi s verdict of the country should be passed upon their eon' the nsonth of Febru ar y it b eca me n o t or i ous i n statement ; he (Sir J. H.) was on l y astonis h e d t h at duct, and he was sure that that verdict would be th e Calcutta that an expedition was to be despatched he had thought it right t o ma k e i t at a ll. H e h a d same as the one already pronounced by the illustrious said that if he had brought it forward sooner he would not warrior and statesman to whom he had alacad allude' to China, and at the sailes in February the price have met with any support either in that or the other —(Loud cheers)—which was, that they., were not onlY of Patna opium rose from 437 to 610 ice have of Parliament. That he had taken a just view justified in the course which they we, re' " rsuing, but pees a chest, and the price of Benares opium of the matter was evident from the look of the beeches that there was no other course open ten- them ipn : pursue' rose from 416 to 550 rupees a chest. But he behind him —one star after another had faded from and that it it would be contrary to ever -of .il it ' would not dwell in detail upon that subject. the view under the oration of the Hon. Gentleman. rice, of humanity, and of religion , to truckley: feelingto those He might well question the policy of the armament, He (Sir J. H. did not think himself called upon to whom the Hon. Gentleman had refused to rank arn o4 even on the ground of expediency alone, without any follow the Hon. Gentleman through all his details, tor the civilized nations, and to submit to insults and in oriel allusion to principle. It any Gentleman acquainted best of all reasons—that the debate was a mere rechau- from them which no other power in the world Woui", with public affairs in connexion with pecuniary results— best laugh.) In the early' part of the Session three be permitted to offer us with an • ) (ce e erSl if the Noble Lord himself were asked if he considered f clays had been spent in discussion, a decision had been He did not know to what the GentlemanHo P n uni'..-- 11 1: the expedition would be of advantage to England—if he conic to, no doubt not satisfactory to the Hon. Gentle- luded when he said the country was ow ' akin toe jo s s consiaered the question of claim could be enforced— man, but undoubtedly much so to the country, and he sense of the cause of the war ; he thou ht g the V es r . what would be his reply ? Here was a demand made fully believed that the Hon. Gentleman stood alone, or tics) had been sufficiently discussed on g the 9th 0 of' two millions, and an armament was sent out to en nearly so, in his wish to revive, at the present moment, force it, for which the demand, it was true, according April ; but he would eneage to say that out of that: the asperities of the discussion. Since April the Cona• House, or the other House of Parliament, to the present vote, would be only 173,000 for the pre pensation Committee had sat. He presumed that that Hon. Gentleman would not get twenty men to sympath ize , sent, but every one who had taken any part in the dis- Committee was somewhat fairly chosen, and that it had with his views. --(Cheers.) The Hon. Gentleman said cession of the vote had admitted that this was a mere fairly attended to the duties imposed on it ; yet they they had no right to ask for compensation. Certainly, ac ic i mouthful, a mere sample of the etpense which the ex reported nothing but the evidence taken before them. cording to the views of the Hon. Gentleman, they c °e ' s pedition must ultimately entail on the country—but The proceedings of the Hon. Gentleman that night not be justified in asking it.; but according t o m s view' suppose the armament to be conducted according to they ought h to make the Chinese pay something more. P er t ; would have the same result. He might be reported, the calculation which the Chancellor of the Exche but it would be nothing more than the proceedings. It Paps he c s . h t u vou d . wish theta to send out 100 mor e ine rche? quer had made on proposing the vote, and which cal also would have no result. The Hon. Gentleman had to stoner to t be nl :ns in ulted gentle duresse, and another Commis' culation he must confess was a curiosity in its way. complained that the price of opium had been greatly he i T•s.) He had not touchedt. Suppose that this should turn out to be the cheapest on many topics of the enhanced by the proceedings of the Government. No be he need not say more.— Cheers,) spe ec h, o,' war on record, what was to prevent the Chinese from i 3°.. eers.) He had . .doubt th© price of opium had risen greatly, but shown, nor was there any in • h ( saying that at war they would grant all our demands— one i; e House. wh o cou ld Iv ° it had done so in consequence of the monstrous derstand what e from paying the compensation demanded, and from ,earthly benefit could 1.1 frog raising it by the imposition of duties upon the legiti- absurdities of the Chinese Government. It the speech of the Hon. Gentleman.,A poi,sluty accrue mate exports, the tea and the silk ; such a tax would be was the seizure of the opium, and its destruction at Mr. A. CAMPBELL k Loud cheers.) e ~.f sufficient—and he had not conversed on the subject with Canton, that had caused the great rise in price. He justice. He did not • . said the question . w as 0n ,.. v , wish to cast ;Any imputations on Cap ' any Gentleman who had not considered that such had a letter from Lord Auckland, stating that so great tain Elliot, as he had no doubt, that - all had done 11° ' would be the means adopted by the Chinese had been the rise in the price of opium that our small been by positive orders. The. 'fact of the son of the Vic e ' for raising any compensation that they might vessels had brought over no less than 30,000/. worth roy having built two boats for 'the opium trade was 'n oel,' require. Thus the English people would be twice of fine silver, but that was long before any arma- an isolated one—he might h aye done so without his fa ' taxed., once to defray the costs of the expedition, ment :was spoken of, or before it was possible that the t a h m e n es Eiiin, knowledge—the f trade had been carried on in Car and again in the article of tea and silk to pay' the coin- intention of the Government could be known. Ti - -me twin Elliot s o an n c tioancetodry pensation. But he would not dwell at length upon Hon Gentleman had done them the justice to say that held answerable for the,wines trade, Parliament Parliam d ent ought to o , this part of the subject, because it presented itself in a he did not charge the opium trade either upon the Go- liot's dispatches showed he was cognizant of Captain E h go.. vernment at home or that of India. That was most ing on. An illustriotas individual in anotherw what baa higher aspect ; every one felt that there was the greatest inoritl responsibility resting on those who provok e d a war undoubtedly true ; it had re ce i ve d th e sanct i on o f no g i ven a h asty opinion. on the subject.—(lronicel cheers. ) less than three Committees of that House ; nay he would He would admit that that illustrious person was; not in il le —that the waste of bunion life, of property, and of hap even go farther, and say that the opium trade had re- habit of forming hasty opinions, but on this, occasion 1 1 pines, was such as demanded the strongest and most coined the tacit approval of that House itself. In had done di so..— th (Lov.d cheers from the Ministerial benche s '' invincible necessity to justify the entering upon hostili -1833, when Mn. Grant so ably presided over the Board 1-1 of some denied it e was a et n a b ll the opium had been delivered up r ; ties. Was there in this case such a necessity—was the at the head of which he was now so unworthily placed, Captain board ships at the tirae, under the le t , claim on the Chinese Government for this compensation guns of he stated the whole facts of the opium trade, and only ,gauard-ships. How could t ° „ founded on justice ?—(Hear, hear.) His object at that Chineee, therefore, think tli t he In s dealing fairly L, one Member in the House (Mr. Buckingham) was them ? It was. his moment was Lot to cast blame on Captain Elliot. He duty as a Consul es olio found to complain of it, and he did no t fi n d a seconder- commerce from being carried to prevent any e ~,, said this because it would be necessary for him fie- found he had not do: , ' OO Ile Hon. Gentleman then charged that we were the The country and the East India C . Company deril u to aggressors in place of the Chinese. Now they had small advantage from this trade., to cast the least imputation on him, and although he only to deal with the facts of the proceedings at Canton, reeans of payingash it afforded thorn the disapproved of his conduct, yet he believed that, in the balance to _ a t e . Chinese in the . °, 3; and he would take the liberty to say that he was en- for tea. Had the letter to • March, 1839, affairs had reached such a pass, that it 'C ptain . Elliot, statinet, !'„; tirely at a loss to know by what moral feeling the Hon, Government would was impossible for him, let him have adopted what not be responsible for t he seis` d Gentleman was actuated in characterising the proceed- opium, been published in China, it would have exonerated course of conduct he might, to have extricated himself legs as he had done that night—he could not see by him from blame; but that letter had never beer, 'ex p °n blis- a front the dilemma. Neither was it his intention to pre what obliquity of vision it was that he could look at the in China. Through the whol a of these trin a sacti on° judice the character or the claims of the merchants, the atrocious conduct of the Chinese at. Canton and calmly Captain Elliot had not made known that teeter, which h e subjects of her Majesty, who were interested in this characterise it as a mere national ebullition of feeling ought to have done. With regiird to the individuals de,: question. The characters of those gentleman stood natural to human frailty. Now if the Hon. Member tattled, if they were smugglers tt ley vvouln e h ave b een , dealt among in the commercial world, and there were were so tender of the Chinese, he hoped that he would 1 ev , it e h d i more tr h , ardly in this country, as they would have been, among them many houses not surpassed in 1 fi i . n la e ten . , s the amount of the goods, or cominittel allow the House of Commons to ,eel some any part of the world for honour, integrity, and for one—na - for men of tl . tenderness to prison. Surely the act of the oh' WO ines e , therefore, , e enterprise, and he had no doubt that it was more their been a, ,y . eeir fellow -subjects, who had surrounded the factory, and • ‘-' said that they should not be misfortune that they had been employed in this traffic. treated . at Canton in such a manner as to make it set at liberty until they had • gaven up the opium in the impossible for one tie . t • -* justifiable.—( Hear --(Hear, hear.) It was, however, monstrous to mat(;- but . t o -thinking man to dwell Port. was hear.) Blood had beel thin that the opium merchants should be the oly suf- upon with feelings of' horror and indignation. shed, which would not (Hen'., een the cane haj forers and bear the whole loss ; their claims had been Even if Captain Elliott was not her Majesty's he sent down a force t 0 seize ' • .__( Hear" the opium. 'this was a trade that he, advanced not against the Chinese but the British representative—if he was only a man belonging to the ' e , d been forced upon the Chinese' Government, and though their claims had been dis- same species as themselves, they ought to hear of such No one h w e 'an c te h t i the ter ~,ernmen. to t station guarda costa r owned, still the circumstances under which that had proceedings .h as he was subject to, with the same feeling f 3 along rit is the nation oeuseeSe oast, but the represereative o f the : fie taken place rendered it necessary for him to say a few h his lace the Duke of Wellington so nobly expressed in felt obliged. to the ;dt not to have sanctso ne a it. ear un. Member for Nereark for bringlues words upon it. The holders of opium contended that p ace hi Parliament. He was astonished to find forwas-; his motio• otol" a, and he trusted the c;overnment W ~, in of the guarantee of Captain Elliot the Hon. Gentleman deny that there was any count- eome out of tali,. ' consequence , affair without inflicting disgrace on t" they were entitled to compensation. Now the Go- nonce at smuggling on the part of the Chinese author;_ country. vernment having repudiated his acts, he did not see how ties. He had read Mr. Lindsey's pamphlet. The T: 100. Sir C. GR'Ey said that wi • th rneard to the illustrat ion very well they could keep him in office.—(Hear, hear.) Gentleman had said (and he confessed it was w , : al asto _ o f the law of nature and nations a -.° - I '"'' y the Hon. Gent ern . 0 Now who had been the real gainersby the opium trade but nishment he had heard him) what objection >.ould there he had been grievous) y disappointed. He attributed th i e these individuals, and they were but the agents of another be to a State confiscating a contraband ar' j e WI to the constraint winch Hon G . the under e • -'y i ' • • eatlernen opposite laboure. power—the Government of India. The conduct of the certainly if it were put in that way tar_re could he no in not permitting themselv es to argue this upon East India Government was fully sanctioned by a Com- objection, but the query was, how confiscated ? In broad points, but upon petty, trivial, and warped con sider° . mittee of the House of Commons, and therefore the what manner?—(Cheers.) Confiscated by seizures of n n i o e n n s t ,. solely h with eeta a view Not.,o t., cast blam e upon th e G o vern; House should take its full share of the blame. But the person—(Loud cheers)—by subjecting' the persons illegal policy pursued t one of them had adverted to tl l s e ci of the merchants to that gentle duresse whichhad been lawof and by nationsthe Chines e with regard to 1 " 0 , the Indian Government had been the real gainer by the opium trade, and there could be no doubt that the so agreeably described by tlee Hon. Genii •which treated einan, unnatur!" largest part of' the profit came into its coffers. The claim consisted . in shutting them up in the gentlest manner— unsocial policy, by excluding all na lions from n their terT of the owners of the confiscated opium was one which he permitting, said the Ho.a. Gentleman, their servants to tories—but, unlike the Japanese, tlaey acted a double p ar ,' hoped that Government and the Parliament would one attend upon them ; but if those servants happened to be and did not carry out the prohi Onion to its full ext" l " . day recognise. But it did not follow that th e c l a i m now Englishmen they we re s h ut up too—( Cheers)—and Having permitted a tr a d e , t h ey had attempted to riaen cite irepossiiehties ; this the Hon. Gentleman described as the common they had endeavoured to keep a c°/11 .; made on the Chinese Government should be sanctioned. merce tor their own exclusive et and benefit' free course of things.—(Cheers.) The Hon. Gentleman use ; that ' It was generally supposed that because the Chinese the main and ervadin l,J said the merchants had n o right to expect any Other mischievous cause of all 'that .-- a were barbarous, and inhospitable, and insulting to ensued. The P opium t should not treat them with as much treatment, for the autleorities of Canton had given beyond the . fade in India had been sas tablishe possibility of . ,- s rangers, we good proof that they were • -revocation, Deem 11013 ;bl justice as we treated other nations of whose man- in earnest. Why, if a man then, could the present Board of Cont 1 ' sidere roved. The Honourable Gen- had stopped another.. on the highway, and his refusal on answerable for it ? It began when Control t ae con ,„, ners we more app . to deliver his • money blew his brains en Mr. Dondas ceased ‘ 1 , 4 tleman then read extracts from the testimony out, that would be lay the India Budget • before P l ow' of Mr. Jardine, Captain Elliot, and others, to showgivingpretty good proof that he was in earnest ; but ask the Noble Lord the Member for e iameren, and he w ..0 tbe 0 ember for L iverpool if ' that in these respects the Chinese were misrepresented, would that be any reason for s lying that it would be was any tradition in • his family as to w'nr, were the Incli°, and that they were, in fact, amiable, hospitable, and right to blow out the brains of another man travelline Ministers from 1795 to 1829 ? Those • the person' obliging to strangers. The demand for compensation the same way, because he had. had proof that the rob who were answerable for th ' wire ' de" e omen trade. Hon. Gen . founded on this—that the Leisure was unjust in its hers were in earnest?—(Cland 1 men had little • wasif:ers aughter ) The very considered rile nature o f trade, if w e ' character, and was carried into effect by unlawful British Government had a right to • • * inquire if it wis the considered that it was as easy e to Ministers or the pres ent . t s means. This he denied. The connivance at the opium proper way of showing they Were in earnest— ' (Ulcers) door that put a stop totrade .' a once established, as it was to shut , trade, which was alleged in justification of that trade, —to take 100 men and shut them u tellin was open so as to occasion person: il inconvenience' had been proved to be very limited in its character ; if they did not give up th • p, . g them that Neeh opium trade was cart.' dleon by all ants is merch lir . . their Property within a given time and to have ceased, three years before the seizures, as their provisions should be d country who trafficked with China, and he thoeg o , ~ h e rct wally withdrawn from that universality should go a great way in , •justifying it' e'io far as it depended upon the officers of the Government. them, until at length they Should have nothing to sub- was assured too, that if the Government had attemptee -, It was objected also, that the confiscation was unjust, sist on.—(Cheers.) It as true they were not starved, sacrifice such a trade they could not h sve succeeded' j a s e and was not in accordance with the laws and usa es of but why ? Because those menaces produced the de- the entire commercial interest of this country would ea the Chinese themselves. But, in face, not g only sired effect the ' was confiscation the natural and universal punish- Chinese behaved fa oPi l una was given ::.p. But had the brought to bear d d agaiest them. The vet 7 character of tine Chinese had they behaved honestly after for Chinese theyw ren re e a re fin i w t e difficul to settle tl Le trade with tsiteivoi meat of smuggling, but it had been before re- it had been given WF ,, re the Englishmen theof f e nation, gna i .t who wo Tl old not c o d n t d n e e e .. ter sorted to in China as the punishment of the particular better for having given P itto meet us e on a footin r g y up n No.---(Cheers.) 'The into any agreement, or at least equality y to a ley refused wil " ic h offence —the smuggling of opium. It was also said that bargain had been broken thebyf. Chinese, and the duresse both countries might find beneficial. 1 Yhaegrfieresmt thing,'"; the Chinese Government was not justified in confiscat- continued on the most lous pretexts. But it his cpinion, to be done was to force Ihe Chinese to )noel ing opium that was not in the river of Canton. But it appeared, according to the Hon. riv°' Gentleman's statement, their pretensions, and to negotiate wi t t h us for the mut e ° could not be pretended that the seas of China that the Chinese kept c them on 'account of their strong interest of the two nations—(l fear, hear, hear ) did not extend far beyond that river; and affection for them—(Cheers and laughter)—and the and when the Chinese consented to assume su c "of an instance had occurred before in which opium reason they asked for and to be sent to Canton position, t he should l consider that th a question was ne e l otif belonging to foreigners was seized off the port of Maeao, was, not to inflict any • '. (cheeinjury upon him, but because he brought oa t c o o;i t c conclusion, and that we might eon" Captain Elliot had complained that the proceedings was so popular.— (Cheers rt.nd hiughter.) But . they had look forward satisfactory adjus ,tmer,t. osit ° were harsh, and abrupt, and unexpected. But was it not waited for the other the city . Lord SANDO s N sad that Ho a f ' e otlemen °FP the m erebal its to com i c into had confined t f iem without. pot a rig t 0 ce,,oci , the three previous years, warning foreigners not to per- Could the Hon. Gentlemaney nature of' its commerce, but he w, sist in this trade, and the Government gave the most I h h I k le _e..evet. Le reasthe w , tb n a grave iutllorl e n e es sayseitt that i how such a doctrine could be man snub a n t cd a loss f i n e held c n ; difh•rent sentiments on the, i . ect, as he CO u ld r fc ' e ° r unqualified proofs of its earnestness to put d own d int Mr. Dent was, not to make I ' nis e e se o ' f him as a hostae for I tirely 1 thiek that any Government m o le . be - comp o k e to 5 ° ~, trade? When the Chinese took the unusual mode of but because he was . Ula ' r •-' The Hon. Gentle:f e n ' t a i t ) . T r i ade t T o continue which we s o f r 11,.! most lioxious wa s Appealing to this country—this being against their own had tell kthat L 11.1_ teem te a ri P l e a P w of nations seas not quite hat eas the tread prim mciple at issue, and ' _ en , maxims, ought t o h av e been taken as a proof of their applicable t o th e Ch ines e. He really did not kuow i with . ' , a view to it that the entire Q uestion •rloulel be con sincerity sin cerity ; but if that was not, when they threatened to ! according to what - I-1 C rules the nn. eeuteeinan would have I sidered. The Chin. , se in f ' ' • [ which they send en for crag t h e rig it e Led re send off with ignominy the Superintendent —an officer ' the Chinese dealt with. According to the Hon I pesses,ea to r I' . . cows, to son e i g e tu . a . t s e tr t a h ‘} ei d r . own trade, might li t t::: . n, " , : n to recognised by themselves—if he did not send ~ way the Gentleman, they were such an erniable people that i; 1 more e.,. a,. but 'nary proceedings lake' intor receiving ships, surely any sane man must have seen that would be disgraceful to tneat the as I h • in itir arzens and 1 ilis.ed h. ones. the p w i i( es H„ ris e should l aiii the i , the Chinese were determined to put a stop co the opium yet they were ;lot to be treated like a civilized ' people • censitieratain th • ,•• i f l iear:h • 4 that "'''P H e e di d n o t iee rior strength'.. --1( trade. A gentleman of the greatest experience in China, , (Chesrs)—they were not. an tenable to the law ' nationsoi the cite eir hear.) , i d o i think, therefore, that the •: c o uld be judge V' shoo Mr. Inglis, said before the Committee, that for four or but the Hon. Gentleman stepped ' with • in a species of I by ordinary rules, and he felt ' case;bat due dnowance 6 Som., made eras 'boo' of tl quan versa conic Ho n , antic !orne he; Cont of tb nor c quest tion THE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY, JULY 28, 184th I 1 1 I