The Sun. — London, England, 1817-07-04 00:00:00

l!OU1 ,1 . OF COIMONS. i.nr,; :NINE o'iservcd, that of the 950 parishes in Scot - t:d :2)9 had it,,t loath thtir re,pecting the lunatic fhere appeir..d sor..eiliing . ilke nughgetice, though tlot and Iry hoped ?hi% notice of it would have a due Tr, Fast Tridia Naviq - ation Bill was read a :id time.—'rhe 164'1 ey wa, rtlafl a 2d time—The Report of the Tidia Ship , ters lull W,15 reeeire.d. in :he rornoitt,e Mr. IVA t.i.Ac proposed some clauses. wHe:t e,l to. He ( \lr. W.) ohserved, that some ; Litive measure was necessary a loss of 700,0001. was rrFil •)n =ix Chips. Irish Fair and N'Tarl;et 'Tolls Bill went through a Com and tipe rep' rt was rece;red. STATE OF NEWFOUNDLAND. Mr. \l A. TAveoa moved that the Report of the Co ,'mi•r e on the Newfoundland Trade should he read ; after which he rose to make his motion. Ile 1 , 1(1 nefore nlioned the distressed stete of New:wood...lrd 'as a matter deservi , tg inquiry. The eatest tiffieulties existed in the .rade and fisheries. A!! I.lw and order was suspended, and the greatest di,o , ders ''Cl' committed even in the capital Fointer!y the custom was, that when merchants see' of! , vesse!s to Newfouudland, they sent out pe t sous to take and cure the fish, and to go to the Mediterranean and other places, we• ld they ret .Iy-fled in the winter to England. Tlie popnl.tion uf Newfoundland was therefore , parati%ely small ; but as trade increased, middle men. vv ,re introdoeed, who bartercd with what were called the planers for fi. , h, oil, &c. Since the to I, rd Bathurst, distresses had much increased, for which there was the clear p,idettre Mc At wofid, Mr. Preston, and others. Lt.-tr , ts snbsequently received gava concurrent tesiim,,ny of the wretched - condition of respectable families, iv ho did :rot see even the prospect of sp ee dy relief the merchants said, • that unless nt the popnlation was remos'ed, or sup ported by Goeernment, the outfits this year would be very small, and few supplies would he sent out. He. begged the House to consider that subjects were for months every year Firtwin,ted with ice and saow. Some steps mast be takco to relieve them, as all the terrors of fa tninc menaced them. There was no place wherein the people were visited with such great distresses. If relief were not now given, it would not be prac tie:rlde to afford it three mouths hence: Various modes of relief lied been sng tf ested by different pet sons. A In e rehaue•of Poole, trading with a canitiA of 60,0001. lost last year 20,0001. ; and ex! , ced the continuance of losses. This Mer chant stated, that he could not send out more oid-fit a! - id srpply than was !recess oy for his own neople, and the hrim4ing them ho m e.— But u hat was to be done with the population ? Were 10 or 12.000 people out of a population of neat - SO 000, to be abandoned to all sorts of horrors and miseries ? Surely Government bad the means of sending out some speedy relief. He would call on Memhers who had the Governor's despatch CS o her papers, to contradict his opinion. , if they could. The case of extreme dis tress was fully established The merchants wished that the Goerroment would at least remove 5,000 of the population, for they could not find them emi;iovnient. They could not meet the French in t ite European markets. The hest fishing parts of \:ewfotindland had been conceded to France T+eaty : the French traders were sery active, BA the ...Frencii. Government exerted itself by means of booty ies, equal to half the cost and cure of the fish. Du ies against our own merchants amounted tdmost to a prohibition. Spain, whom We had protected with our treasure and blood, gave her pi out's of gratitude by her duties on our trade. Murat, when lie reigned at Naples, levied a duty, wh'rl4 was to go to the sornitig of slaves at Algiers ; which the . present E jog; tinith as he was indebted to us, not only had ept up, hut bad increas. d. Our merchants had thus to cope with a host of difficulties. He theu re ferred to the Report of the Committee, which stated lie depression of the trade, which required invest igai inn ; adding, that if no tini , ly aid were aff , ,rded, capital would he withdrawn, and a va luable nursery for seamen would be lost. Was this a trade that should he lost. It was suggested tliat 2s. hooray should he allowed ; half of which might go to compensating them for loSsi.s. It WAS true, that an unusually great number of fish bad been caught in the last two years; but yet the merchants had sustained loss. The trade ne cessarily required large c pital and extensive con nections. Once lost, it could scarcely be restored. Ihe likes and warehwises would soon be de stroyed He wished the report now to be taken into consideration. If the House agreed with him, he should move for a bounty of 2s. per quin tal. Toe t vremitv of the distress stared every ho,ty in the face. He begged that the trade and the starving population might not be neglected for the consideration of a bounty of 2s. ; and this merely because the merchants hail made gains in former times. the quest'on was then pot on his motion for a Committee of the whole House, when Mr. ROBINSON rose, He felt that the greater part of the alleged distress could_not be denied, ant that it was a disagreeable thing to object to any. mode of relief proposed ; btif, in the view he took of this and similar questions, he felt that be should ill discharge his doty it he did not state that he thought the modes suggested unadvised. 1; sv,is suggested that the bounty might be for a year ; ,but the claims of the merchants must he folly c onsidered. From the evidence it appeared, that they looked at a bounty for one year as no- I ing. '1!“y stated, last year, that the Govern ment of France granted a bounty. This was an unsatisfactory reason for our Aoing so likewise. We were not to tun a race upon false principles, with other nations. He hoped the !louse would not accede to such t proposition. The merchants wanted the bounty to he co-existent with that of rrance. What ,vas to he done with sor 10,000 coile when removed? It 5000 of them came from 1, i d tud.,were they to he returned there,where every Lode knew thattne greatest di.tru‘ses prevailed ? In anada a , id Nova Scotia the last harvest had been :!ry unrroductive. - Government had said, that if me" chants world remove 1,000 they would ti-. 41 them settltpents in Nova Scotia : bii that rejected ; and .no propositions bad been agreed to by.:, t.he merchants, who wanted a bounty like that of Frauec ; and the removal of 5,000 by Go •erurt;etat. As to the withdrawing of capital, it ‘cas not shilleient to stil'e, that of i a csiiital of 60,0001. a incrc;haut iu one year 105. t 20,0001. when to a pi evitati year be had cleared a good (4.41 more than that sum. In fact, during the war, an artificial fn•ospei ity had grown op in Newfound land : and an unadvised measure adnpied 110 A' - - _ might aggravate the evils tenfold. 'rite know ledge of such a system might send a great pat t of our distressed population to Newfoundland. It would be preposterous to do so, 1111...1-101,DswouTu stated various particulars of the distresseo situation of the trade, and read some parts of the Report in confirmation of it. — The popnlation was about 80,000 ; the Cistressed were trout 15 to 20,000, of whom 5000 were Iris;i. Mr. W. DOUGLAS Ivai favourable to the mo tion. All the Committee had done was a recom mendation or pledge to go into the subject. At present it was quite impossible for the merchants to employ many of the distressed. Last winter the disorders increased so, that it was itn;.racti cable to protect property and order. After various observations, he concluded by saying, that- the distressed people must have employ merit it possible, or else 'must be left to starve. Mr. CANNING said, although be admitted, to As great an extent as any one, the wisdom 44 the generally received principles of political economy regarding bounties, he thought there were ltrounds laid in the report sufficient to warrant a ,tight de parture from them in this instance. He did nut think that we should enter int.. a contest w France in a line of promoting commerce •by means cortfrsetlly ; bit he c onfess• eel that, in his opinion, the report had made out sufficient grounds for granting a!OilStatlce for one year, at least to those engaged in this trade. Lie had himself received suer accou n ts of the losses and sufferings of the merchants air! the inhabitants, that it any temporary aid coal be given it should not he withheld, titinigh such en couragement to one branch of commerce might seem to contravene the general principle of poll • tical economy. Ile thought a case had been made out, which, allowing the principles of hi., Rigtit Lion. I±tiend (Mr. .) It o I .nson) to remain ..ocon tratlictcd, called for the interferencr of the tion,r. Mr. NEwmAN thought that it deserved 'great consideration, whether Or not a boon , y should he granted, but believed that there could he no hesi tation about the necessi:y of admit) steriog some kind of relief. The losses of _Cie merchaots had been great, and they were unable to bo.pport a po pulation which had settled in Ne,‘ romidiand without their intervention ; hut sonic aid should be extended to them to rescue them trom the horrors of famine. Ile expressed his thsapproba tion of the delay which had been shown in bringing this subject hetore the Llou,e. Mr. PROTHERoE t houglit. a very strong (ASV ad been made out in favour of the present mo- tion. Humanity, he Contended, lequireld that some relief should be afforded to the sufferers, and a heavy responsibility would attac, to the Government if they neglect. d to the subject into their serious consideration, and suffered the matter to pass by, without eltdeaVouriilg to do some hin4 to 'mitigate the calamitous situation ot the people of Newfoundland. Mr. F •LEwis was of opinion, since a call on thepresent occasion was made on the humarity of the House, that it ought to be treated as H ques tion of humanity, and not as Out ot general policy. If the (listless was such as it was said to be, it might be desirable to endeavour to supply a re medy by means of a special grant, to he forward ed to them in clothes, or in such articles as they tni 4 ht stand most in need ot, in their ptesent si tuation. He was, however, of opinion that no distress existed in Newl,nindlai.d which he conld not plrallel nearer home. s He relniilded the Hoost of the distress which had been brought before them by the Hon. Ms!rither for Carmarthen ; the state of 'lreland was as bad. tlnd that ot Scotland, he feared, was very nearly the same. These, however, it liad not been in the power of Govern ment to relieve: He entreated the House then to pause before they took the couise recommended to them in favour of Newfoundland. At any rate, he hoped they would not have recourse to the old nostrum of a bounty on exportation, to take 65,0001. from the pockets of the people of this country,.to be in the first instance added to the profits of the merchants. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought nothing could be more - ill judged than the pro position for relieving the sufferers by means of a bounty on exportation. He was sure the suf- ferers theniselves would not desire such a n.-a sure to he adopted. Lie had been surprised at the assertion in the Report that Government were bound to support those who had gone to New foundland. He begged to ask if Government had sent them there He denied that they had done so, or that they had done any thing to justify such an expectation as had been encouraged, be yond holding out a bountiful hand to the sufferers from the tire at St. John's. That the case might be a fit subject for the consideration of Govern ment he did not mean to deny ; but that it would be proper to attempt to afford relief by means of he bounty which had been recommended, was that to which he could not subscribe. He show ed the folly of this Government undertaking to give a bounty, because such a course had been pursued by the French Government, and contend ed, if such a principle were once adopted, both countries, endeavOuring to outdo each other in giving bounties, might exhaust their finances 'in Useless competition. Mr. lifititiwo did not think there were many iu the country who would urge the state . of Finances io opposition to the sum of 65,0001. being applied to relieve distress like that which .had now been brought under the consideration of the House. If ever there were cases in which bounties on expor tation ought to be granted, the present was one of the strongest that could be imagined. 'Die To hey of France in giving bounties, he was of opi nion, was suggested, not so much by the value of the trade itself, as for its importance with a view to naval strength. In this re; ect he held it to be of great importance to England. By treaty, perhaps, the necessity of giving bounties in oppo sition to France might be avoided. His aversion to bounties was such, that, even in a case like the present, he would not sanction the giving of one, without first bestowing the most attentive conSi deratiou on the subject. As adrauce of muney to asa ,t (Ile stlffcters was perhaps the only thing that could lie clo:fe at this time. Sir T. AcLANH was of opinion the peculiar claims of those whose .distress had now been brou l zht tinier their consideration, was such as to justify a departure from general principles in this patticular case ; when the object in view was to save 5,000 fellow-creatures front perishing by fa n►ine. He would not quarrel with any mode of relief which the Chancellor of the Exchequer might prefer, since be objected to give bounties on ex portation, but he hoped he would favour them with an assurance that something should be done. The CHANCELL O R of the EXCHEQUER rose to say, the subject had occupied, and would continue to occupy, the most serious attention of Covet mein, who were anxious to afford the sufferers re lief. In the case of the fire at St. Joho's, they had shewn they were not disposed to shrink from the responsibility of attempting to remedy, or at least to alle%iate the calamity. The same priori- , pies would be acted upon with respect to the dis tress now complainod of in Newfoundland. tVhat directions might. be sent out he was not at present prepared to state, but the subject would not be neglected. l'Avt.oa replied briefly, and wished to get the assent 4 Government to an Address to the '.!:lr me for the relief by bounties. General GAscottqe wished to bear positively the extent of the relief itneoded by Government. The CHNNCELLoR Of the EXCHEQUER repeated hi. former ohNervatir,ns. Th e Hun'e then div.ded on the motion for tak ing I.l , e_lleport into considepition— Ayes roes . ... 50 The Ittigli•h Siting. Banks B nrtri the Irish Saving lianks Bill, were severally read a second time, and or, erect} to he committed to-morrow Sir H fi NFLL brought up the Report of tl.e H('lyl►ead Hat hour 1 , 11, wl►ich was ordered to lie ou the Table Fuld to he printed. FINANCE. Mr. C kICRAFT, in tile absence of Lis Hon. Friend, informed the House‘l):+t the diseu,sion () t itle E.'itianee I)ropoi , io4,s ,voich stood for thii day, (midi! not come on ttil Weditesthtv The Ci4ANCELLott the ExcHE4I..TER. said, the better way would b.: io t notv, that 'he Order should be discharged, :Chick oold be oece,sary likewise with re,pect to at, Friend Of his, %rho intended to wove it series 'ell counter-propo sitions. 11i Loped the Bight lion. Gentlona!' would be able, on Wedoe,dity, to ruler upon the di se n. s ion with comvetnence to himself and advan tage 'n the country. The Order was then discharged, and fixed for Wedite“lay next. Mt. BaotiGnEiNl brought tip the Repott of the Vexation, Art CSIS Bill, which was received, and the Bill ordered to be read a third time this 0..1. DYOrf'S DIVORCE. Mr. LITTLETON moved the third reading of Dyo!t's Divorce Amendment Bill; but upon the motion of Mr. Lockhart, who contended that time ought to be allowed for Members to make them. selves Herr:aimed with the facts of the case, it was adiowned tilt Monday next. 0, the m o tion of Mr 13xNxEs, a Copy was or dered to be hid before the l-I•,►tse o f a - Circular Letter from the Horse Guards, with respect to Pensions, since the Ist of jone last. STEAM BOATS. Mr. ITARVVI gt►ve notice, that to-morrow l►e would move for leave to bring in a Bill for the better regulation of Steam Boats. The Election Regulation Bill was reported, and after some conversation the Bill was ordered to be read a third time to-morrow. FRANIE-BREAKING. On the proposition for the second reading of the Frame-breaking Prevention Bill, Mr. J. SMITH observed upon the extraordinary circumstances under which this Bill was introduc ed, and that nothing was heard of it until the Habeas Corpus Suspension Act was passed, and until above six mouths had elapsed after any frante•breaking had taken place in the districts to which the Bill was professedly meant to apply. Bututhis evil having ceased, he could not see the propriety of adding to what was justly called " the bloody code of our penal laws," by the enactment of the Learned Gentleman's proposition. . Tile ATTORNEY-GENERAL declared, that whether the liubeas Corpus Suspension Act had passed or not, it was his intention to bring tot ward the pre sent Bill. After a few further remarks from Mr SMITH, the Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed to-morrow. NEW CHAPELS. After a conversation between the Chancellor of the Exchequer, the Lord i\lttyor, Messrs. Gordon, Courtenay, Protheroe, Sir T. Adam', and Dr. Phillimot e, the cousiderAt ion of the Report upon the Bill for Building New Chapels was post potted until to-morrow, when it was understood that the measure will be postponed until the next Sessions.. EXTENTS IN AID. Upon the Order of the Day, with respect to the Extents in Aid Bill, Mr. W. SMITH expressed a wish that provision should be made in this Bill to enable Courts of Law to liberate persons itoprisoned under Extents in Aid, without regard fo the ride of those credi tors who could at present continue their confine ment without even allowing them those groats to which other imprisoned debtors were intitled, to save them from absolute want. Such a provision was, lie felt, necessary, in order to guard against vindictive creditors, and to protect unfortunate debtors trout extreme oppression. _ Mr. J. SMITH' concurred in the views of his Honourable Friend,observing, that where bankers, who were generally concerned with the Receivers of Taxes, made use of these Extents in Aid to procure the payment of their own private debts, they were guilty of great injustice. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER Observed, that the object of this Bill was to guard againSt such a perversion of extents as the last Speaker bad alluded to. Mr. BARING argued that it wds right that the Clown should have the preference. If Ministers ,lidd looked seriously to the subject his Houourable Friend would not have had 99 much trouble. It was nnjust the hanker should receive any debt be• yond what was due to the Crown. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said so little dependence could often be placed on an oath, that he would hesitate to place the security of the public on it. Mr. W. SMITH would in the next stage of the Bill bring forward one of the clauses he proposed for better doing away the oath at once than allow this system to go on. 'The Bill was then ordered to be read a third time to-morrow. Mr. GORDON said, the onth had been consider ed by many persons as not to be taken unless they were nearly insolvent.—He hoped the Chancellor of the Exchequer would really consider it se riously. The Scotch Cottage Tax Exemption Bill 'went through a Committee. Report to he received to-morrow. The Navy Agents' l'rize Bill, and the Oid Naval Stores Bill, want through a Committee. Report to-morrow. The Stu All Rents Distress Bill was read a third time and passed. The Report of the Stone Bottles Bill wae, brought up. Bill to be read a third time to-morrow. The Report of the spirits Excise Bill was received, and the Bill to be read a third time to-morrow. The Irish Lunatic Asylum Bill went through a Committee. BANK TOKENS. In the Committee, Mr. BARING observed, that the Right HonourableGenileman (the,Chancellor of the Exchequer) had said, that after a certain. day, the person convicted of issuing these Tokens was subjected to a given penalty. The Bill kvas very lone, and attended with a long machinery of penalty, which appeared to him very absurd. To subject. this offence to such penalty was really cumbrous, for in truth the sane hail not brett done when the old silvcr was called in, and it was improper ceitaioly to add to the list of penalties. 1:/ itself it was most unjust, and, besides, would sul jest the poor to a very great inconvenience.— . - Much better tVOIdd it be to issue a l'iocianiatiort at once, as was receillly done, i.istead of a 8111 so iumeceisarily 10r , ;4 As the pr, b cnt The CHANCELLoa of the EXCHEQUER appre hended, unless such penalties trete attached, tnere tvouid still he a partial fdrcuktion, and he ("iitl not see how !.!tly notiee on the rr. ,ot the Bank could remedy this evil. -Mr. BAKING explained , when the 'louse resumed, and leave wa• ,:iven to sit a, 4 tiro ;o-olorro:. Mr. MELLIsH ~I )ose, 1 turned. OLD EA 1 !,1,,,Nr VcsterilPy Juhn Croxey, the salor, of tioxiug; notoriety, was capitally ind;cted stoppitig Joht . Bower Witiooghby on the King's out.. fear, and t;A:ng from his pei s.o a gold hunting watch, chain, and seals, in liyde. Palk, on tie 23d of May. _ The prosecutor, who stated himstlf to be foot. matt to a Lady in Baker•stiect, stated, that he left there for 'a walk at ten o'clock at n'ght ottt the 23d, - He strolled into Hyde Park, whci.e he %vas accosted by a man who solicited charity, lie was itmuediately after attacked by two turltt, one of whom Was the prisoner ; lie was knocked down, and the property WAS taken front him, having previously asked if he had a watch. The prosecutor called out to the person who had just be Core solicited charity of him, but he did not come, and witness supposed he was in conjunc tion with the robbers. Sibley, a pipe -maker, Lad been drinking %ergo Croxcy from half-past four o'clock on the day of tie robbery till eleven at night, at the Canteen, Knghtsbridge. This witness was. io 'custody at Marlborough-street Police for the robbery, but he was discharged. He proved that he accompa nied the prisoner through the Park, and that they were both inebriated.—On cross-examination he stated, that be was not with the prisoner all the way through the Park. Guilty—Death. Barnet Leipman was capitally convicted of rob bing Mr. Sanders, on his return from Bow Fair. The prosecutor was beset by about eight or ten persons, who bustled him and robbed him. He identified the prisoner, who was taken on the spot by a watchman. Jas. Lindsay was acquitted on two separate In dictments for forgery, and another for embezzle ment. The prisoner was acquitted of felony lasi Session,, and he was also acquitted of forgery yes terday. These prosecutions were instituted by the prisoner's master, Mr. From!, an eminent so licitor in Cary-street. The forgeries went off upon this occasion in, consequence of defect in proof as to where they were committed, and the embez -21, meat was not supported by evidence. The prisoner was tried F ticcessf,illy the fourth time, for stealing a 201. note, the property of his master, on the 22d of March. It appeared by Mr. Frowd's testimony, that be recei‘ed 221. Ss. of a Mr. Evans, for rent, and he gave it the prisoner, his very confidential cltik, to carry to Snow and Co. bankers. Mr (rubbings, cleik at the bank ing -house, proved that no such sum had been re• ceived at their-house. J.,stice PARK, in summing up the evidence, entreated of the Jury to divest themselves of pre judice, if any bad arisen in th►e fo►mer cases, and try the prisoner as if he had not been before them. The present was a case of felony, if they believed the prosecutor, as the money had been intrusted to the prisoner for a specific purpoDe, to which it had not been applied. 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