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CONSERVATIVE LARD SOCIETY. The nineteenth quarterly general meeting of the members of this scciety was held thie day, at the efficee, No. 33, Norfolk street, Strand, Lord Ranelagh in the chair. The following report was unanimously adopted : The exlcutive committee have the pleaure to report that the experiment on the 24 of .A.prd last, of c.ffering to the holder of rights of choice the opportunity to select houses leased and occupied, was attended with comelefe success—the three villa residences on the St. Margaret's estate not only having been chosen with early Rights of Choke, but considerable premiums were paid to secure th es e ex-rellent investments. Before the end of the financial year, the committee hope to be enabkd to sub mit for sale other villas now in course of erection on the Eofield estate, within a couple of minutes' walk from the station: After a public meeting on the 25 . . h of March, the Taunton estate was allotted on the lid of April. About one-third has been already so'd ; and the ten&rs for the roads and drains having been called for, it is expected the remainder of the pots will find ready pnrchwers. The contract for the Kentish-town roads and drains will be carried out without delay, and will facilitate the sale of the remaining plots on this valuable property. The next allotment of estates is fixed for Thursday the 18th of June ; and on that day the Maidstone estate in West Kett, and the Redhill estate in Nut field, close to the Reigate and Redhill Station, in East Surrey, will be offered for sl.le„ Now that two railroads are open to Maidstone—the distance by the North Kent line being reduced to forty-three miles—an increased demand is expected for house accommodation. The property, befog situated within so short a distance from the centre of the town and the railroad statior, and the land being also of good elevation, commanding fine views of the Medway, is admirably adaptel for building purposes. The Com nittee have set apart a free site for a church, which is much wanted, in the neighbourhood of the Rochester and Quarry roads, and have much pleasure in adding that a handsome donation has already been subscribed by a gentleman in Maidstone, to secure the speedy erection of the church. The Redhill estate is in the parish of Nutfi 13, and is about 21 miles from London, within a few minutes' walk of the Reigate Station, on the Dover and Brighton lines. The picturesque character of the scenery round Redhill is well known, and the estate to be offered will give first rate building frontages. The Committee have been en abled to offer plots of about half an arc each in this rising neighbourhood. The erection of the new church on the Woodbury Park estate, Tunbridge Wells, on the site given by the Con servative La❑d Society, has been commenced. Nesto ciations have been in progress respecting the building of churches on the Reading, Forest Hill, and St. Margaret's estates ; but the Exaeutive Committee are not yet in a position to report that any arrangement has been cun. chided for either of the above-mentioned localities. The river embankment of the St. Margaret's-terrace is now completed, and a noble carriage drive as w.ll as a promenade have been secured on the banks of the Thames, •ztending from the Royal Naval Female School up to the railroad bridge. Tee questions of a foot-bridge and station still occupy the earnest attention of the Com mittee. A recent inspection of the al'otted estates has proved that those plots which are fenced in and looked after by the allottees stand the speediest chance of being let for ground-rents. Another advantage ariiihg from the land being enclosed is, that the members can derive a good re turn until building operations be commenccd. Lord Alfred Churchill having retired, the executive committee have had the pleaure of electing Lieut.- Colonel Augustus Meyrick a meinuer of the board under rule 32, late 33. Viscount Pevensey, M.P , the Hon. Ralph Dutton, M.P., W. B. Beach, E.g., M.P., E. hi. Archdall, Esq., M.P., and Montague D. Scott, Esq., have been added to the list of patrons and general com mittee. The returns of the business of the March quarter were only brought up to the seventh of that month in the het report. The figures now E tand thus : Shares in pro gress to June 6, 1857, 11,180; shares completed ; 2,163; total shares, 13,343 ; receipt 4, 295,5081 93. 10J. . . . „ . Total withdrawals from . tho formation of the society in September, 1852, to June 6, 1857, 44,5891. 16s. 81 ; total sale of land, from September, 1852, to June, 1857, 205,3751. 14q. 2d. The returns of the Register of Order of Rights are as frllnwa :—Completed, 2,422 ; drawn, 2,677 ; seniority, 1,381 ; total, 6,430. Deduct rights exercised on estates, building advances, &c., 3,854. Unexercised rights, 2,626. The last share on the Register of Rights by Seniority, after the drawing, of the 9th inst., will be about No. 6,217, and the last share taken up to the 6th inst. was No. 13,343. The Executive Committee had occasion in their last report, after the contests in East Sussex and West Kent bad taken place, to record the goad faith with which nearly all the allottees who acquired the freehold fran chise in those counties through the instrumentality of the society, had voted in favour of the Conservative can didates. Since the two rtru;glee referred to, a general election has taken pace, the Fourth Parliament of Queen Victoria having tern dissolved on the 20th of March, 1857, and the committee have again the sati.- faction of reporting to the members, that •the returns of the polling have been exceedingly gratifying, and had the general body of Conservatives noted with the same consistency and fidelity as the allottees of the society, some of the counties might have been saved to the cause. The committee were well aware that in a society, the commercial advantages of which have been so eagerly sought after by all classes of the community, investors of various shades of political opi nion wouli be found, many of whom, it may be stated, honourably abstained from voting, but so far as regards the members I laced on the register by the society, the proportion of Conservative voters is at least ninety per cent. The Registration Courts will be soon re-opened, and it w it be for the allottees, who have not yet obtainel the franchise, to forward to the Society's solicitors on or before the 2011 of July, the requisite deeds, in order that the claims which are supported free of expense to the members, made he duly made and sustained. It is also imporlant that the holders of plots on estates should give special instructions to name tho pclling district. at which they desire to vote, inasmuch as freeholders in distant parts of the country have the privilege, under the Registration Act (I Vict. c. 18, s. 3G), to veto in any polling plice in the county, although their qualifi cation may be in a different district—the claim being made in due course before the revising barrister, who will in vert the name of such claimant for the polling place he may specify. _ Personedebirons of qualifying for counties can do so on the society's estates, the plsns and particulirs of which may be obtained on application at the offices. The Executive Committee, in conclusion, congratu'atc the members on the continued success of the society's operations. (Signed) RANELAGH, Chairman. (Countereignecl) C. L. GRI;NEISEN, .Secretary. LLOILYS SHIPPING.—(This Day.) lwport, June 9.—Win , l tll3 dap at 1200 D, S.W.; Strong broeze, and cloudy. FALMOUTII, Jan© S.—Wind W.—Arrived—Anna Catheriun, from Rio Grande. SWANSEA, Jul B.—Wini S.W.—Arrived—William Leekie, from Cuba; Coveroor, Coquimbo; Pearl, Cubs, Sailed—Eliza, for St. Vincent,. CARDIFF, iuno *. — Arrived-13ertb. Kohn from Gibraltar. Sailed--Jessie Burfield, f or Newfound., hod. COWES, June B.—Wind W. — Arrived—Schlossie, from Shanghai. SOUTHAMPTON, Juno 7.—Sailed—Ottan•a O.), for Bombay. PLYMOUTH, Juno 8.--Wind S. W.—Arrived—Roska, from Rio Janeiro. Orr THE LIZARD, June 7.—Arrived—Joban Beck, from Rio Janeiro for Hamburg; North America (barque), homeward bound. OFF DOTER, June B.—Arrived—Margaretta Roesnor, from Shield , for Hong Kong. BRIDLINGTON, June 9.—Wind W.S.W., strong Arrived— Diamond, from Middlesborough for London, leaky. Gitiuswr, . June B.—Wind E.—SailA—Sovereign, for Bombay. CLYDE, Jun() 4.—Arrived—Harmonise, from New York. (PER ELECTRIC TELEGRAPH.) SOUTHAMPTON, Tuesday, 10 a.m. Wind W. Arrived—Argyll, steamer, from Caronton ; Jason steamer, Bremen; Sir Robert Peel, Sunderland. LIVERPOOL, Tuesday Morning. Wind W.N.W. Arriied—Corinthian, screw steamer, from Palermo ; Arctic, New York : Tilla (i'Equa, Gallipoli ; Ferdinand, Montevideo ; Elese von Sowtzovv, Dantzie; Stalwart, Philadelphia; Loo Christie, Ghent; Margarita, Minatel- Jan ; Martha and Jane, Demerara ; Linda, Pernambuco ; Annie, hiaranhael ; Camdut, and Sylvia, Alexandria. QUEENSTOWN, June 7. Wind S.t. Arrivad—Aabsesaior from Matanzas. Off—Talavera, from Chinl, for Dublin. (BY SUBIKARIBR AND BRITISH TELEGRAPH.) GRAVESEND, Tuesday, 9.20 A.M. Wind W. ; tide low water ; freah and fine. E Arrived, June 8 0 t h r --- b !ti o a u rt e h rn a se , from Twining ; Eliza Kirk bridge, WYborg ; Sailed, June 9—City of Nantes, for Nantes. nzaL, Tueiday, 0.15 a.m. Wind W. by fra N pVyEt d u e g, te fro . m Seaham, for Rye ;Lord Anchored — Duren, Sunderland, Southampton ; Caroline Coventry, London, Madras. Passed—Australia, Austrian bark, from the north for the westward. The tone of the commercial letters from liidia yester day is not unfavourable. At B omba y the t ransaction; had been limited, but at Calcutta there had been an ei. tensive business and prios were firm although there had been large arrivals. A disposition to subscribe to the New 'ive per Cent. Loan was likewise a satisfactory feature. Tun SCOTCH COURT OF SESSION.—The number of rxtra sittings of the Court of Session, in terms of the Act 2d and 3d Victoria, cap. 36, has been six, all of them subsequent to January 1, 1853 ; of these i•ix two were extra sittings of the whsle court and four of the first division only. No extra sittings of the Lords Ordi nary have been held under the 10th section of the Act 2d and 3d Victoria, cap. 36, but under the 9:.11 section of that Act all the Lords Ordinary have since January 1, 1840, sat three weeks longer in each year than pre v'ously. The number of causes standing on the roll o' the first and second divisions of the court, and ready for bearing on the Ist Jan., 1857, wai respectively 235 , and 30. I PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS.-(YESTERDAY.) CASE OF MR. SIIEDDON. Earl GREY prevented a petition from Mr. W. P. R. Shellon, complaining, amongst other things, that, by a decision of the Court of Session in Scotland in 1803, and of this house in 1808, obtained in his infancy, he had been deprived of his estates as a natural born subject of this realic, and as the legitimate child cf his parents, and of the means of investigating in any courts of law the question of such statutes, and causing the same to be recognised. The petitioner prayed for such rel'ef and redress as to this house might seem fit. The noble lord called the attention of their lordships to the state ments contained in the petition, which he stigma tised as one of the greatest frauds ever perpetrated. The chief actor in the transaction was a gentle man named Patrick, who had arrived at a great age, and filled a high position in society and in the tionouraiale profession to which be belonged. He had careful'y perused the whole facts of tke case, and he bad also read the statement of Mr. Patrick, and having done so, he felt it his duty to bring the subject under their lordships' consideration. The noble lord then proceeded to give an outline of the case; in which he entered at some length into the birth and parent age of the petitioner, whose father, it appeared, had the management of a mercantile business in Ame rica ; but on the breaking out of the American war his estates were confiscated, in consequence of his having espoused the royal cause. In 1778 he went to Bermuda, and on the conclusion of peace he re-visited New York with a view to their recovery, but was unsueces,ful up to the time of his death, which took place in 1798. Before he died he executed a deed respecting some property,of which he was in possession of in Scotland, which he left to his son. This deed could not be found. Amongst other things, the will contained an injuncti on th a t hi s son should be sent to Scotland and there placed under the care of Mr. Patrick a nephew of Mr. Sheddon, sen. Mr. Sheddon was married in America, and the issue of this marriage was two children—the petitioner and a daughter. To avoid the marriage, which was per formed by civil declaration, being qaestioned, another marriage took place in Scotland. His lordship then entered into further details, bearing strongly on members' of the Patrick family, who, he alleged, had denied the legitimacy of the petitioner, and withheld his property, both Scotch and American, to which he was lawfully entitled, and concluded by moving that it be referred to a stlect committee, The LORD CHANCELLOR said the question was one not merely personal, but invoving a principle. He acknowledged the correctness of Lord Grey's statement in the main, but defended the Messrs. Patrick from any suspicion of fraud, and argued upon the invalidity of the first marriage; and that the case bad been already de cided, and ought not to be re-opened. Lord 13ROUGHA.M said there were two questions— first, bad their lordships been led into a wrong decision by ignorance of the first marriage ; second, could they ou that fact being proved, supply a remedy by re-open ing the case. A similar point had been raised in Laurie's case, where a divorce bad been obtained in Scotland and a fresh marriage had been contracted there. In the course of the discussion it appeared that several of their lordships bad done the same thing themselves—Lord Erskine, the Lord Privy Seal, and the Archbishop of Canterbury of that day. Lord CAMPBELL suggested that Lord Erskine was married by an episcopal c:ergyman. Lord BROUGHAM apolo g ised ; he had not wr itt en Lord Erskine's life. (A. laugh) He thought, under the circumstances, that an inquiry should take place. Lord ST. LEONARDS had decided the original case against the petitioner on three grounds-Ist, that the petitioner, as an alien, bad no locus ; 2d, that there was no fraud proved against Mr. Patrick; 3d, that there was no marriage in 1790 proved. Lord LYNDHURST said the fact of the first mar riage, now first beard of, placed the case in a new light, and opened up another question for fresh decision. Be sides, at the first trial, the petitioner was a boy of six, and the present defendant was his guardian. He had first tried to set aside the original decree for fraud, but the Court held that no fraud was alleged. Now he came forward with the fact of the previous marriage of his mother and father in a valid manner, as but now first known to him, but before known to Mr. Wm. Patrick. He considered the first marriae as proved. His lord ship supported the motion for an inquiry. - The Earl of ALBEMARLE thought Mr. Sheddon's i s rroily had been shamefuly ill-used. Mr. Patrick's cha racter in the:, house seemed to stand high. In New York they called him " the biggest scoundrel that ever came from Scotland." The LORD CHANCELLOR rose to order. Such language was not even legally justifiable. Tho Earl cf ALBEMARLE stood corrected. Their lordships ought to grant the committee. Lord LYTTELTON supported the motion. Lord REDESDALE opposed the motion for a select committee. Earl GREY, in summing up the discussion, made some severe remarks on the interference of the Lord Chancellor. Mr. Patrick was represented as highly re. spectable, but base acts were unfortunately of late not incompatible with appearances of ielpectability. They required evidence, not testimony. Mr. Patrick had plainly concealed the evidence of the fir,t marriage. He foresaw the difficulty in re-opening a case judicially de cided, but even if Mr. Sheddon were to lose his property he must not be divested of the tights of a British subject. He would recommend a committee to examine the petition. After a few words from Lord BROUGHAM, Their lordships divided. The numbers were— Contents Non -contents Majority The motion was therefore negatived Their lordships then adjournod. 19 -t3 HOUSE OF COMMONS.—(YESTERDAY.) THE CIVIL SERVICE. Viscount GOD ERICH on the motion for going into committee of supply on the Civil Service Estimates called the attention of the house to the last report of the civil eery ice commissioners, and to the present system of admission to the civil service. The noble viscount referred to the report of last year, to which he called their atten tion last cession, as well as to the speech of the right hon. gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer on that occasion, which induced him (Viscount Goderich) to withdraw his motion, from an impression that a great change was to be effected in this branch of the service, and said that, after reading the report laid on the table of the house this year, he felt much disappointment to find that no adeance had been made in the right direc tion, that of open competition. The noble visceunt, who was less audible than usual, read a variety of extracts from the reports in support of his views. In pass• ing, he remarked that ho found the rxeminers of the nomination of the right hon. gentleman the member for Wells (Mr. Ilaytet) in the Excise and Customs, ap peared to be less stringent than in other departments. (Laughter.) He bad no desire to urge the Government to adopt hastily any eeended system, but that they should progress and not retrograde. He had no desire to take the subject out of the hands of the Government, but if he considered the answer of the Government uasatisfaetory, he should take an early epeortunity of again bringing the subject forward. (Hear, hear.) Mr. - .7...1AL1NS said that a short time ago a young gentleman applied to him for a nomination, stating that he was desirous of cubmiAing to an examination, and that members of Parliament could nominate. He tvH the young man that he did net understand what necessity there was for a nomination if the examination was to be open to the world. He however gave him a nomination, which was returned in a few days, with the intimation that it was of no use, and the young man then inquired where he was to apply for a nomination. He told the young man that he was_unable to give him the least in formation upon the subject, and from that time to this had been unable to ascertain bow a nomination was to bo obtained. If a nomination could not be obtained without Government influence, the result would be that there would be no such thing as a real competitive examina tion. He trusted the restriction would be removed, and that those who desired to submit to an examination would be allowed to do so without having any such diffi culties thrown is their way. • • The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the hon. and learned gentleman was so accomplished a law yer, was so well acquainted with all branches of civil Jurisprudence, ard so well versed iu acts of parliament and all other sources of law, that ho should have thought it highly improbable to be asked by the hon. and learned gentleman for information which ought to be within his own knowledge. (A. laugh.) The order in council, issued two years ago, regulating the examinations for admission into the civil service, made no alteration in the power of the crown with respect to nominations for the civil service. Then a proposition was made that all situations in the girt of the crown in the civil service should be open to competition it was explained that such was not the effect of the order in council, but that the power of nomination vested in the crown re mained iuntouched—that it was part of the preroga tive of the crown to make the appointments and fix the salaries, which were afterwards voted by parlia ment. With regard to the principal departments— such as those of the Secretary of State and the Admi ralty—the nomination was by usage vested in the head of the department. The nominations in the revenue depart ment, the audit board, and some other boards rested with the head of the Government for the time being. Such was the usage•with respect to the civil service, and he should have thought the hon. and learned member re quired no informatieti on that point. That would also be a sufficient answer to the question put by the hon. member for Derby (Mr. Base) a few days ago. Oa a former occasion he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) expressed an opinion that it was not desirable that em ployments in administrative departments should be thrown open to public competition. Such a proposition at one time received the approbation of the public, but the Government thought it would not be an expedient mode of filling up vacancies, and proposed that all per sons entering should be subjected to an examination, to test their efficiency. That examination had boon conducted by efficient persons, and the results were embodied in the reports. It bad been asserted that the Government had pursued a retrogressive course, and had lost a portion of the advantage they had at one time.gained. No w , so far as regarded the execution of the order in council, and the examination of candidates for the civil service,-there had been no retrogression, and the system bad been enforced with great strictness and regu larity. The number of candidates registered in the first half-year had been 29 per cent., and in the second half year it amounted to as mnch as 38 per cent. What he had stated was a proof that the system was efficient ; and the answer which he had given would apply to the whole of the system established under, the order in council. The Government had not only never professed any intention to introduce a system of open competition, but they had, on every occasion when the subject was intr)duced, ex pressed their oljection to that system: The real practicel matter at issue between the neble lord and the Govern meut was, to a hat xtent the plan of volnntery compoti• tion amorg , t the limited number of candidates selected by the heads of departments should be carried. What he stated last year was, that it did not appear to him that the system of competition could be applied with advan tage to that class of officers in the civil service who per formed for the most part mere mechanical duties—snch as watching, and duties of mere trust ; but that with re gard to clerks and other officers in the inferior depart ments, in whose cases a liberal education was expected, a competitive examination amongst a limited number of candidates, chosen by the head of the department, would be conducive to the public interest. His noble friend now at the head of the Treasury had acted on that principle, and had found the system work satisfactorily. With re gard to the diminished number of competitive examina tions during the last balf-year, he was not aware that such bad been the fact ; but he presumed that it had arisen from some accidental variation in the number of vacancies. The system had been adopted by the Tres- Fiery, the War Department, the Home Department, the Colorial Department, the Board of Trade— An HoN. MEMBER—Not the Beard of Trade. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—WeII, the Board of Works and some other boards. The heads of these different departments had voluntarily adopted the system. Hie noble friend had not felt himself justified in making it compulsory ; but it had been recommended as the practice of the Treasury, and a majority of the supe rior departments bad carried it out. That mode of filling up vacancies had led on the whole to the choice of can didates moat qualified for the public service, and most likely to discharge their duties in a satisfactory manner. The Government did not intend to lay down any inflexible rule on the subject, or to depart from the order in coun cil. The manner in which the appointments had been made bad proved to be satisfactery, and in taking a general view of the manner in which the system had been administered he believed the house would come to the conclusion that a great and important advance with respect to the nomination of candidates to the public service had taken place since the first introduction of the order in council. (Hear.) Colonel SYKES thought the heads of the departments ought to place a portion of the patronage to public com petition. The system of nomination must necessarily be ineffective. He was quite satisfied there would never ba a want of competition, for he knevvanany instances of lieutenant-colonels and others on half-pay competing for offices not of the most dignified nature, the salaries of which did not exceed 601. or 701. a year. Mr. VANSITTART wished to know on what prin ciple the Government granted or refused nominations for candidates; The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—On the ground of efficiency. (Laughter.) THE ITALIAN LEGION. Mr. M. MILNES rose to put a question to her Ma jesty's Government respecting the engagement entered into with the Argentine Confederation for the reception and employment of a certain number of the officers and soldiers of the Italian Legion, and to ask whether the authorities of the Argentine Confederation have adhered to the stipulations of that - agreement I At the conclu sion of the war the Government made certain arrange ments by which a portion of the foreign soldiers employed by this country were sent to the Cape and to Canada. An offer was made to the Italian troops, and a document was issued by the War-office which offered them some remarkable inducements. They were told that Parana was a perfect paradise, that it produced enormous quaff. tities of fruit of every kind—that ice was a thing alto gether unknown—that butter and beef could be bought for a penny a pound ; but beyond all these recommen dations there was another perhaps still more attractive, for they were told that the women were remarkably handsome—(laughter) —extremely industrious, and a great many of them without husbands. (Continued laughter.) The troops were told that they would re ceive a considerable portion of territory at a very mode rate rent. The result was that a considerable number of the men belonging to the Italian Legion accepted the offer ; but he understood that the arrangement had not been properly carried out, and that, instead of finding themselves in a flourishing colony, they were wandering over the country in a state of great destitution. He whiled to know whether these men were actually in the condition which he bad described. Sir J. RAMSDEN thought the explana'ion which he was about to offer would satisfy the house that there had been no breach of faith, either on the part of her Ma jesty's Government or the Argentine Confederation. At the conclusion of the war the Ital'an Legion was dis banded at Malta. A considerable number of the men re turned to their homes, but the remainder, amounting to rather more than 1,000, were not allowed to do so. They were then brought to Englaad, in order that they might avail themselves of the opportunity of going to North America or the Citps of Good Hope. Shortly after their arrival in this country negotiations were entered into with their government. and 700 of them were allowed to return to Italy. At that time au agent of the Argentine Confederation was endeavouring to procure a number of emigrants, and he applied to the Government to induce them to use their influence with the men who had not obtained permission to return to their country. The Government declined taking any part in the transaction, and referred the agent to the n.en themselves. ills terms were accepted by 350 of those persons, and they were sent nut in two vessels. On the arrival of the first vessel at Parana the men disembarked, and found wages extremely high, not less than from 4s. to ss. per day. They were to have a grant of 28 acres, with 6tl. a day for the first year, 41, a day for the second, and 2d. a day for the third, Finding they could obtain so large a re muneration for their labour they applied to be released from their original terms. The Government complied with their r: poet, and two thirds of theta were released, the other third determined to look at the place where the land was which had been allotted to them. They found it much further off than they had expected, and applied to be all iwed to return to Parana. Some of them went on shore ; they refused to proceed further, and demanded their liberty. This of course was granted them immediately, and therefore it was entirely of their own accord that these men had been released from their stipulations, and not by any compulsion on the part of the Governm.ent. Ile might state that he had seen a let ter from an English gentleman who had lived a great number of years in the Argentine territory, and he stated that the wagea of unskilled labourers there was from 4s. to ss. a day. 11 '41 - THE SUN, LONPON, TUESDAY EVE -t G, JUNE 9, 1867. THE OATHS BILL. Sir F. THESIGER said that he evay arlious, for the information of- the house, to inform them of the course which he intended to take with regard to the Oaths Bill. In accordance wiih the intimation he had given he had offered no opposition to the recond reading of the bill, but he was apprehensive, from the cheering which had accompanied the second reading, that there might be some misapprehension, and be therefore wi s h e d to state that in committee he should move to add to the oath these words :—" And I make this renunciation, abjuration, and declaration wi lingly and truly, on the true faith of a Christian." ALDERSHOT. Sir F. SIIITH said, having been second in command at Al ier3hof, be was anxious to show that some of the statements male the other evening about the en campment there were incorrect, and he wrote to Ge❑. Knellys, the commander of the camp, who had mitten him in reply a statement of the condition of the camp and of the employment of the troops. The honourable and gallant officer then proceeded to read extracts from the letter, to the effect that it was not true that the troops were not taught to pitch their tents, as they had been under canvas as long as the weather permitted. Cooking in the &id formed part of the training. A class of officers were instructed in military sketching, and forts were constructed on the banks of the canal. All the roads lately finished had been completed by the soldiers. With regard to the state of the huts there was only one but in the whole camp out of repair. The whole of the gravel had been spread by the troops. Then the Barrack master wrote and said, with reference to the huts, there was not the least appearance of decay ; they were light, airy, and wholesome ; there was but one instance of any of them having given way ; the roofs were water-tight, and would last many years. The SPEAKER then left the chair, and the house went into committee. The first vote was 151,7441, to make up the sum of 227,7441. 21. 9,1. for the educational and scientific branches. Cul. NORTH said there were many items in vote No. 12 on which he should be happy to have the opportunity of addressing the house. Sir J. RiMSDEN said the hon. and gallant officer would have an opportunity of making any remarks he might think fit on that vote when the report brought np. Mr. RICH called attention to the charges made for youths at the Royal Military College at Sandhurst. A committee sat on that subject two or three years ago, and it was stated that the total cost for education there, including all branches, was 801. a-year. It appeared, however, that they charged all but the sons of officers 1251. a-year, which, with extra charges, made it 1501. Ho thought that was a hardship. Mr. HENLEY remarked that he had the same objec tion to this vote that he Stated the other night to No. 12. The hon. and gallant member for Calne the other night, after enumerating the various advantages supposed . to be derived from Aldershot, went on to state the disadvan tages our generals laboured under compared with French or Russian generals. He stated that if a Russian or a French general Wanted to write a despatch he Gould ac company it with a sketch of the ground, but an English general had no one about him who could make a sketcb. He (Mr. Henley) could not say whether that was true ; but it was stated by a military man of some reputation, and if it were true all he (Mr. Henley) had to say was, that the nation had been expending a great many mil lions of money, and had not got their worth for it. So far as the vote itself went, ho had ao objection to it, but be thought it would be desirable that things so distinct as the ordnance survey and the salaries of instructors should be kept ,distinct in the votes. Mr. BLACK brought forward the claims of the Scotch military academy at Edinburgh, which he said had produced many good officers who bad served in the Cri mea. He thought Government ought to sanction the in stitution. Forty commissions were Oven yearly to Sand hurst ; they might grant to the Edinburgh academy one commission yearly. Major WARBURTON observed that in every other country except ours admission to the staff of the army was only to be obtained by severe competition. In our country there was a remarkable contrast to this state of things. Out of 216 who bad obtained certificates in the senior department at Sandhurst, only 15 were employed on the staff during the late war. Appointments to the staff should be open to competition among officers of a certain rank. He hoped at any rate that they would wipe away the reproach that in our army idleness might be indulged in without remark, and that energy, genius, and ability met with no reward. Mr. E. ELLICE, jun., agreed in the observation that it was inconvenient to have so many item? in one vote, but at the same time it was not his intention to m aye any reduction in the ordnance survey, as he did last year. His opinion remained the same, but the house did not agree with him. He b I eyed that Government was opposed t 3 the experos, but the bones backed up certain members who were interested in that survey. The house decided last year that they would have a survey on a scale of 25 inches to the mile. The com mittee recomrnedned a vote of 50,0001. a year for ten years, but he found the vote this year had been reduced to !30,000/. He hoped, though it might appear in opposition to what he had already said, that the survey would be got on with, in order that they might have . an ordnance survey completed for Scotland some time in the course of their tires. He had a return, which he had moved for, showing what had been expended, and what was going to be. The aggregate was 963,000/ , but the report of the committee last year put it down at 917,000/., so that there was an increase of 46,000/4 Then he found that lest year the progress ie Scotland was 407,000 acres out of 20 millions. He warned the house that this survey would cost enormous sums, and that if they did not mind they would have what Sir C. Trevelyan aimed at, not only a survey on the 25-inch scale for Scotland, but also for England and Ireland. which won't cost six or seven millions, and would involve a now department to revise the surveys every two ye ,rs. Sir F. WILLIAMS, referring to some observations made on a previous evening by Mr. Henley, said there were no doubt officers in the British army quite able to make plans. There were always such persons to be found on the head Quartermaster-General's staff ; but there was not attached to our army, as there was to the foreign services, a topographical corps, who might bo detached with any major-general or brigadier-general, to draw for him a sort of comprehensive plan, without which no re port, whether in writing or by word of mouth, could be completely intelligible. He (the gallant general) hoped that in the reconstruction of the staff a corps of this kind might be formed ; and also that officers intended for the staff might be expected to pass a year in each branch of the service, so that they might become practically ac quainted with each arm. He agreed, too, with the right hon. gentleman that soldiers ought to be employed in the works at Aldershot. Those works were a part of their basinr ss, and V.ey ought not to receive extra pay, which only led to drinking and insubordination. He hoped like wise that the soldiers, while its the camp, vould be taught to make gabions and to tie fascines ; that they would be employed in sapping ; and, in short, that they would be instructed in all matters relating to field fortifi cation. If that were done, he was perfectly certain that England would never regret any cost it might entail. Sir D. NORREYS, returning to the question of the survey of Scotland, suggested that the debate should bo taken on bringing up the report, and that on that occa sion the discussion should be a complete and final one. Mr. WEGUELIN directed the attention of Govern. ment to the engraving department of the Ordnance-2ffice which he said was not in a satisfactory condition. Sir J. RAMSDEN assented to Sir D. Norrey's pro posal. With regard to the education of staff officers, and indeed, of military officers generally, in field fortification, he could assure the house that the subject had engaged the most careful attention of Government. In corrobora tion of that remark he might refer to the general order issued from the Horse Guards some time ago, in which it was directed that after Jan. 1 next no officers should be appointed to the staff without passing an examination with regard to all the branches of the service. At present an officer went down to Aldershot several days every week to give instructions to officers in strategy, making re connaissances, and things of that nature. He (Sir J. Ram3den) was happy to add that more officers were de sirous of receiving instruction from that gentleman than he could receive. (Hear.) Mr. W. WILLIAMS hoped the question would not be postponed. No time was so suitable as the present, and the question was one of great importance—a ques tion between 250,0001. and above a million of money. Lord ELCHO, on the other hand, supported the pro posal for postponement. In answer to Mr. WILLIAMS, Sir J. RAMSDEN said that nearly the whole of the cultivated districts south of the Forth and Clyde were now surveyed on the 25-inch scale ; and it was intended to proceed with the rest of the cultivated districts on that scale. Sir H. - VERNEY expressed himself strongly against the unsystematic manner in which the survey of the country had been carried on. They had been promised a uniform survey on the 8 inch scale, which would have served for all the railways and other great public works. Thai plan was rejected, and no less than two millions and a half had been spent on surveys for the purposes of the Tithe Commissioners. He protested against the 25-inch scale as unnecessary and extravagant. Mr. E. ELLICE (St. Andrew's) said the hon. baronet was in error when he said that all the cultivated districts south of the Forth had been surveyed on the 25-inch scale. In point of fact four or five of the most important coun• tics in the south had been surveyed on the six inch scale; and the work would require to be done over again. (Hear, hear ) The LORD-ADVOCATE deprecated the continuance of the conversation if the subject was really to be dis cussed on a future occasion. Sir W. JOLLIFFE said it argued a great want of common sense to go ou making surveys on a large scale of districts in Scotland, of which no one wanted map!, to neglect districts in England of which there would beta scale of the maps large,, enough to remunerate the Go vernment for their preparation. Lord ELCHO defended the 25-inch scale, and invited the house, by way of preparation for the postponed de bate, to study the blue books of 18;4 and 1855. Mr. WYLD recommended that the surveys should be made a great scientific school for the army. That was done in foreign services, and the consequence was, that those services were greatly superior in topographical skill to our own. During the last war the Government was actually indebted to the gentlemen who went out to con. struct the railway for a really good chart of the ground before Sebastopol. He recommended, therefore, that officers of the army should be allowed to volunteer to ac company tbo surveyors, and that their expenses should be included in the cost of the work. Sir F. SMITH could assure the hon. gentleman that the plan woull fad. What was wanted for a work of this kind was not pupils, hut persens of experience. Sir W. CODRINGTON said that experienced persons were no doubt required for the public surveys, but that was no reason why officers should not be allowed to ac c impany them for the purposes of instruction and prac tice. The hon. gentleman must bo in error as to what he had stated about Sebaetopol. A very accurate plan was made by an officer of the 23d, then on the Quartermas ter-General's staff, and that plan was the foundation of al that was done. No doubt greater education was de sirable, not only in officers of the staff, but in all officers; but in comparing our service with foreign ones allowance should be made for the difference of circumstances. With us the staff was composed of regimental officers, abroad the staff was a department separate in every respect (Clear.) Referring to what had fallen from S.r F. Wll - the gallant gent'eman said that a topographic corps would be en important addition to the army. No doubt there were very competent persons on the Quar termaster-General's staff, but they had other things to attend to besides mere map-making. Mr. E WAR etiehed to know when the Government measures of military education would be brought forward ? Mr. WYLD said that it was notorious that our officers possessed less skill in drawing plans than was found in the French, Russian, Austrian, and Prussian armies. If a war were again to break out not a third of oar officers would be able to make a reconnaissance, and to bring the general a WWI of the ground. General WYNDHAM would admit that our officers were not so au fait in such matters as were those of foreign services. Still, during the last war, the best plans were made by British officers. (Hear.) Sir J. RAMSDEN said the education of officers had engaged the most serious attention of the Grvernment. In the report of the recent comwission their first recom mendation, and the one on which they laid most stress, was that a board or council should be appointed to con sider the whole question of mi itary education. A coun cil had accordingly been appointed, and had been di rected to draw up a scheme. The points on which they were more particularly requested to give their opinion were these : first, the examination to which candidates fur their first commission should be subjected ; secondly, the examination which officers should pass through pre vious to promotion up to the grade of captain ; and, lastly, the qualifications required for the staff. As soon as the council had drawn up their scheme it woill be submitted to Parliament. The vote was then agreed to. The following votes were also agreed to :- 17,305/ , rewards fer distinguished service, to. 41,994/ , pay of general officers, not being colonels o regiments or battalions. _ _ 378,706/., full pay of reduced and retired officers. 127,3781., pensions to widows of officers, and allow ances on the compassionate list. 39,8631., pensions, gratuities, and allowances to offi cers for wound s . On this vote, Colonel NORTH observed that officers who were seri ously wounded, if the wound were not equivalent to the loss of a limb, were not considered entitled to a pension. Many had been ob,iged to quit the service on this account. He hoped that an alteration would be made in this respect. Mr. W. WILLIAMS complained that it was impos sible for members to keep pace with the rate at which these estimates were voted; some of them comprising a great number of items. It would be better if the chair man would announce the number of the vote. Lord A. V. TEMPEST referred to the case of the wounded officers, and pressed for an answer from the hon baronet. Sir J. RAMSDEN said this was a most complicated question. In regulations of this kind some deft its line must be drawn, and it was not prudent to step over it. These regulations had been in force for a great number of years, and could not be altered without reconsidering the whole system. The suggestion would be considered, but he could not on the moment promise any alteration. Sir C. NAPIER said the line laid down was a very hard line, and the sooner it was altered the better. Au officer might receive a wound which would permanently affect his health, though ho did not lose a limb, and yet he got no pension at all. If these regulations were formed on those of the navy, they were formed on a very bad model. (Laughter.) By an order in cJuncil, the Queen had power to grant pensions for soverE wounds. The officers of the army had done their duty woll, but they had not been sufficiently cared for. If an officer got wounded twice in his thigh he got a pen sion ; but if he received one wound in each thigh he got nothing. What could be more absurd than that Lord PALMERSTON said it was most desirable tba the Government should have power to grant pensions in the cases referred to ; but it was most essential that the regulations should be such as to remove all ground for suspecting partiality. The loss of a limb was a Ilea► and defined case ? if they were to go beyond that, it would be impossith to draw a line which would 13( satisfactory. And why should incapacity from a wound entitle to a pension more than incapacity from disease I Besides, an c,flinr Ferving ai,r.)ad might, under these Gireurnstances, he entitled to a pe.nsi-n, a tech could not be claimed by an ofF., - ,t-r at home. He thought that any alteration would trivo ri,e to greet disiatisfacti , m. Sir C. NAPIER repeated that the Government bad not acted up to the renulaticn which empowered her Majesty to grant pensions in the cases referred to. After a few words from Colonel NORTH and Loid A. V. TEMPEST, Mr. ROEBUCK said the evil roe from a pre conceived rule, instead of each case being judged by it self. The real question was whether a wound disabled a man. A man who lost his arm was still fit for service ; one who was shot in the lungs was not. Surely the lat ter was entitled to a pension as well as the former. He appealed to the patriotism of the house in favour of such men. Mr. BRISCOE advocated an alteratiOn of the system. Lord PALMERSTON said that each case was consi dered on its merits, but the merits of each case were measured by the regulations. Were it otherwise, there would be sure to be a clamour raised against the deciAion. There was no way of deciding these questions but by a Sze(' standard. In any case where an officer was so se verely wounded as t) be unfit for service at home or abroad, he conceived that a pension would be granted. Mr. ROEBUCK sail that the loss of a limb could never be equivalent to the loss of the eyes. The rule was a bad one which made the loss of a limb the only condi tion of a pension. Sir W. CODRINGTON said there was a separate consideration of each case by the medical board, but he st'll complained of the rigidity of the rule. The officer ought to have a discretion and to use it honestly. Sir C. NAPIER said no change of the law was neces• sary. All he wanted was to see the regulation carried out by which her Majesty had reserved to herself the right of g , anting pensions in cases where they were felt to be deserved. Admiral WALCOTT said the house ought to know the instructior.s on which the medical board decided on these ewes. Sir J. RAMSDEN said these regulations were com prised in the War-office regulations, which were in the bands of every officer. Mr. ROEBUCK again referred to the case of officers who ,lost their eyesight, and asked whether the loss of both legs was considered more than the loss of one / : Lord PALMERSTON said it was impossible to say what class of injury was the most severe ; that depended on circumstances. It was impossille to make a regula tion to meet all individual cases. Lord A. V. TEMPEST said the law of pensions was now so uncertain that officers did not know whether they were ent.tled to a pension or not. He hoped Govern ment would promise their early consideration to the matter. Sir J. RAIeISDEN said that officers who bad been seriously wounded, but had not lost a limb, received a year's pay as gratuity. At the end of that time, if the in jury continued, it was renewed. Lord A. V. TEMPEST referred to a case in his own knowledge, where an officer had received a year's pay, but did not know whether it would be continued. Sir W. CODRINGTON advocated a greater discre tionary power being vested in the medical board. The vote was then agreed to. 20,9411. Chelsea and Kilmaiaham Hospitals. Sir C. NAPIER, asked whether the major and adju tant of Chelsea Hospital received their half-pay in addi tion to their salary Sir J. RA MSDEN said he was not prepared to answer the question then, but wou!d make inquiry. Mr. W. WILLIAMS referred to the large charge for Kilmainham Hospital, which had only 142 inmates, and 44 of them were officers of the institution. Col. NORTH thought, as one-half nearly of our army wai composed of Irishmen, it was not too much that an asylum should be provided for them. He believed the pensioners in Kilrnainhaus were comfortable, and if not they cou!d leave it. Mr. WILLIAMS did not say they were uncomfort able, but contended that they would be better provided at half the cost if the money were given to them to live with their friends. The rote was agreed to, as were 776,6881. for out-pen si,iners, and 83,0001. for superannuation allowances were also voted to complete the sum required tor the year. On the motion that the resolutions be reported to the house, Mr. LOCKE complained of the excess in the charge for the Hospital at Nettey, as compared with the original estimate. The estimate, as submitted to the House of Commons was 150,0001. ; and now they were told that there was an excess of 110,0001., making the total cost 260,000 d , for an hospital to accommodate 1,000 persons, or at the rate of 2601. per man, a sum for which a good 15/. or 201. house might be built. He wished to know whether it was intended to proceed with this costly building 1 Sir J. RA.MSDEN explained that when it was first determined to erect the hospital in question a snm was put down in the estimates for it, estimated upon the average cost of building such institutions according to the old plan or at the rate of 150/, a man ; but before any further steps were taken, a commission of medical and scientific authorities were consulted, who recom msnded considerable modifications were necessary. This increased the expense. When the proposition was ori ginally submitted to Parliament these improvements wero not contemplated. Governmer.t did intend to pro- ceed with the construction of the hoipital. Admiral WALCOTT threw out a suggestion that the ordnance and other warlike stores nosy at Woolatich should be distributed at Portsmouth, Plymouth, and other [ltem Sir J. TRE LAWN Y be!ievt;d that the mo3f•rn hospi tal in Scotland cost at the rats of 401. a man; but litre was a hospital that cost 2601. a man. Theimoticn was then agreed to, and the house resumed, theresilutions beingordered to be reported on Thursday. The resolution pas. edby the conamittes of supply on the army estimates on Friday, was brought upend agreed to. THE SOUND DUES. The resolution of the committee of the whole house on this subject was brought up and confirmed, and a bill for the redemption of thoee dues by the payment of 1,125,206/. was ordered to be brought in. JOINT STOCK COMPANIES BILL. The bill passed through committee, the elaatms being agreed to without dihension. FRAUDULENT TRU3TEES, &c., DILL. Oa the order of the day for the second readirg of this bill, . _ _ -- • Mr. S:rgeant KINGL A.KE said it was not his inten tion in ary way to impede the progress of the bll ; on the contrary, he earnestly cleired to give it his tu lest support. There was no doubt that in its general com pleticn the bill was a goad one ; at the same time, from one or two of its provisions he hl - , bound to dissent. Tte clause in the bill to which primarily he wished to direct attention was that which dealt for the first time what were termed ordinary breaches of trust, not breaches of trust en the part of bankers, but of ordinary trustees, with respect to the management of property, He might state as a fact, that there were nothing so varied in their aspect as breaches of trust. A trustee, for r xample, might commit a breach of trust by lending money to his own ee.stui que trust, although no loss might u tiinately accrue to the estate. Now, that was a breach of trust ‘s hich the House of Commons would be but little inclined to punish. Again, a trustee might com mit a bleach of trust by using tomes , far his individual purposes, although in the result the property might not suffer. That, too, was a species of breach o f trust which the house would be rather indisposed to punish. Oa the other hand, there was the case of a trustee using money for his own purposes that might inadvertantly bring down ruin and distress upon the person whom he ought to have protected. Now his principal cause of complaint against the present bill was, that while it at tacked the fraud it did not attempt to interdict the act which the source and origin of that fraud. He would, therefore, ask would it not he wise to insert a clause in the bill declaring that where a trustee employed monies for his own advantage, and it should turn out the estate lost by the transaction in case he was not able to make good the deficiency, that then he should be sub jetted to the criminal law of the country. For years past he had been familiar with the administration of the criminal law of the country, and he knew well therefore, how difficult it was to define what wa s meant by the term with intent to commit a fraud. But that very want of preciseness would hang in terror over trustees, and the result would be that every sensitive man in the country would throw up his trusts. Under the 12th clause of the bill no prosecution could be undertaken without the sanction of one of the judges of the superior courts of common law or equity, or that of the learned Attorney General. Now that was a provision which he thought most objectionable. He did not know whether the judges themselves had been consulted on the point ; but be had, at all events, strong reasons for thinking that the great majority of them would be very strongly disinclined to have such a task put upon them. A judge must not be a judge in his own mind without prejudice, but in the eyes of his country he must be above suspicion. He ventured to offer those views as suggestions to the Attorney General. He hoped that his hon. and learned friend would introduce a clause preventing trustees from using the funds of the cestui que trusts, so that in the . event of any losses being in curred, which could not bo made up, the parties should be made liable to punishment. There was no duty, how ever onerous, connected with the functions of our judges which they were not anxious to discharge. It would, he thought, be very hard to impose such a duty as this measure involved upon them. (Hear.) Mr. NEATE said he could not understand why the members of the house, forming the bank committee, should be precluded from entering into the question of private trusts. It w as muc h b etter to prevent those crimes from being committed, than to punish them after they bad been committed. He would suggest to the bank committee, whether they ought not to recommend all bank directors to keep their accounts in such a way as to render them open and intelligible to all whom they concerned. Mr. ROLT said the bill dealt with several &asses of offences—offences by bankers, brokers, and other agents, and offences by joint-stock companies. Re wished to illustrate the objections he enter tained to the measure in reference to that part which proposed to deal with offences of trustees. He thought that as the measure was, it would infallibly lead to the preventing of gentlemen of character and sta tion from accepting the duties of complicated trusts, and it would, therefore, be throwing those offices upon per eons of an inferior station, or of some legal tribunal, or of some eepartment of the government, and which of those alternatives was the worst he did not pretend to say. The gist of the offences on the part of trustees was this—the appropriation of money or other property by %ny person who merely held such property for the bene fit of other parties. No a', it should be ob serve d th a t there was not one case out cf 100 in which this appro priation did not take place with the hope of the (fiend tog party being able to replace the money taken on the .sorrow—in a week, a month, or some other fixed time.l But it was not intended by the government that the re storation of the property slu , ul,l remove the offence, if it coil Ibe ever proved. L t them I,ut cons der the cases to which this bill wont I apply. The effemees t f arpro pri:qing the money of an, Cher to ocr own u , e, and that of appropliating stock or chattel property, an quite . . _ r :Tit in their character. If in the fir,t instance the party become unable to repay it he became criminally insolvent; and the law was strong enough to punish him. He ob. jected to take such cases out of the category of those of fences that were already dealt with in a epecial manner. He would take the case of a trustee whose duty it was to collect money, and whose further duty was not to in vest it until be obtained a certain amount, or until upon a given day. Well, then, that person lodges such money in the bank as he was bound to do. In the outset be Would say that in 99 cases out of every 100, the most innocent person would place such money with his own in the bank. There would, morally speaking, be no criminality in that, and yet by this bill it would be considered a breach of trust. The next step that would follow would be this—he 'draws upon the banker and appl es that money to his own purposes, expecting to be able to replace it in a few days by certain securities which he holds. The securities fail—he becomes a grossly criminal insol vent. But how venial was the offence of such a man compared to the individual who rashly speculates or gambles with the money of another party ? He would would take another case. A man engaged in trade makes his will with the full expectation that his pro perty w;11 be realised. His theeth happens earlier than usual. The trust is that the assets should be realised and divided between the adult and younger members of his family. Those adults were also the trustees, who feel that if they deal with the property literally as they were told, it would only realise a few hundreds, whereas if they carry on the trade some time longer it would r thousands. But this bill would treat those part es as offenders guilty of a breach of trust. Now he (Kr. R.) asked what sensible man, under such circumstances, wou'd take a trust with such a charge hanging over him ? On the whole it appeared to him that the mea snre required anxious and careful consideration. If those objectionable features be not remedied in committee he was satisfied that it would lead to some general trust board being established ; perhaps the Board of Trade might take cognisance of those duties. (Laughter.) He would be glad to assist in rendering it as perfect a mea• sure as possible, so that it would really have the effect of preventing fraudulent persons from enjoying the fruits of their offences. (Hear, hear ) The ATTORNEY-GENERAL admitted that a bill of this importance required the most scrupulous and careful consideration. Although be was willing to ad mit the great eloquence of his hon. and learned friend, he confessed he was quite unable to comprehend his meaning. The learned sergeant had lectured them upon a somewhat fan.iliar text, that prevention was better than cure ; and said that they should inter dict the sources of crime. Now he (the Attorney- General) could not exactly understand the word. He could not see how they were to interdict the sources of crimes of this nature except by putting altogether a stop to the relations between a trustee and a ccstui sue trust. So long as there were guardians, there must be trustees. So long as a dying man commits to some rela tion the trust of his children, and with them his pro perty—so long of necessity there must be those relations and connections. Now, if the learned serjeant would only try his hand at legislation on this subject himself, and would embody in his measure his interdict of the sources of crime, he (the Attorney-General) would be most happy to cinsider well its details, and if he suc ceeded in his abject the world at large would treat him as a great benefactor (Laughter.) The house would re member in how many statutes it had been provided that the sanction of one of the judges or one of the law offi cers of the Crown should be given as a preliminary to the institution of any criminal proceedings. The hon. and learned member had spoken of the bill as brought in on the spur of the moment, under the influence of recent events. But this blot on our jurisprudence had long engaged attention ; and that this bill did not owe its origin to present events was clear from the fact that the existing law had proved sufficient to meat the cases which had lately created so much scandal. He ad mitted the difficulties of the subject ; but the evil which existed was one for the removal of which there was the mist pressing need, and he did hope that they would not be deterred from an attempt i,to legislate by' the mere presence of difficulties. He admitted that the language, or even the provisions, of the hill, might re quire amendment in committee, but he trusted that it would eventually leave that house one worthy to be added to the legislation of the country, and an eff , ctive mode of redressing a great and oppressive evil, and a great opprobrium to the jurisprudence of the country. (C heers.) The bia was then read a second time, and ordered to be committed on Friday. GENERAL BOARD OF HEALTH BILL. This bill was read a second time. SAVINGS' BANKS BILL. On the motion that this bid be read a second time, Mr. A. TURNER said that the bill was of so much importance to Manchester that he wished to offer a few observations upon it. The - establishment of favings banks had been a great advantage to the industrious class-s, and be thought that the security of Government should be extended to all depositors in them. There was a mutual obligation existing between Government ' and ravings banks ; for if the one gave the benefit of se• curity, the other afforded a fund of 35,000,000 i. or 36,000,0001., which placed an immense financial power in the hands of the Government, which they had not hesitated to use. The Government was about to give additional security to ravings banke, and it was neces sary that they should have some power of inspection over them. But they might go too far, and unnecessa rily interfere with well ordered banks. Re might in stance the cases of the Dublin and Rochdale Banks, in which the Government officers ought to have found out the deficiencies which existed much sooner than they had. In the instance of the I.lanchester Savings Bank, its affairs were administered in a matter quite satisfac tory to the depositors ; and in such cases there should not be any unnecessary interf. rence on the part of Go vernment (aeon,. He knew that the present Chancellor of the Exchequer, and the present Comptroller-General, did not wish to interfere unnecessarily in the manage ment of savings banks ; but there were clauses in this bill which gave large powers, and which future'Ciiaticellors of the Exchequer and future Comptrollers General might use unnecessarily. He should have wished that the bill had been referred to a select committee, but he should not oppose tbe second reading. He wished that the Chancellor of the Exchequer would give xpression pub licly, as he had in private, that it was not his intention to interfere with well-managed savings banks. Mr. GROGAN was gl td that the important subject of savings banks had been seriously taken in band by Go vernment. The depositors would now have the seam ity ofbe Government for the repayment of their deposits, but be trusted there would be no unnecessary interfer ence on the part of the Government with the managers of these institutions. The Government ought to ar range a scale of salaries and a rate of interest, but be yond that they ought not to go, (Hear.) Mr. MAGUIRE said the bill was popu!ar in Ireland. For his own part, he was willing to allow the Govern ment a little tyranny if it would only preserve the pro- per'y of honest labour from the hands of rascaely officials. (Hear ) The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, had had no other object but to promote the interests of the depositors. (hear, hear.) It was admitted on all hands that the present state of the law with reference to sav ings banks was unsatisfactory, for the responsibllity of managers and trustees which once t xieted bad been re moved, and no substitute had as yet been provided for it. (Hear, hear.) Unquestionably he (Sir G. Lewis) had not thought of interfering with the legitimate influence of the managers and trustees, or to diminish their useful labours. All that he had wished was to guard the in terests of the public exchequer; with that view he had felt it his duty to propose a certain control over paid officers. That control they would find set forth in the first and second deuces, and they would see that it was barely sufficient for that purpose. The hon. gentleman the member for the Tower Hamlets said that the Government wished to introduce a number of stipendary officers who would be under their absolute control. Tuat was a mistake ; the only stipendaries that would be appointed by the Government would be merely the inspectors and auditors, who could not be local officers. (Hear, hear) Moreover, the fact bad been overlooked that the bill would not be compul ory ; but that it would be com petent for any bank to continue on its present footing. ' With regard to the saviogs bank account, if the bill be came law he should be prepared to lay upon the table full information on that subject, and even to submit the whole management of the money to the investigation of a select committee. (Hear, bear.) The chief part of the deficiency bad arisen from money being over credited to the banks—that was to say, it bad arisen from the banks having received back more money than they had paid in, and not from varying the securities by different governments. He did not know how the hon. gentle. man arrived at the conclusion tiat a million of money had been lost by varying the securities ; but he should think that less than half a million would be nearer the amount. (Hear, hear.) With" regard to the proposed regulations, he (Sir G. Lewis) had neither acted blindly nor was he prepared to lay them on the table. It bad been his wish to be guided by the most experienced offi cers, but it was impossible to frame a code that would suit large banks and small ones, well conducted banks and ill conducted ones. (Hear, hear.) The bill was then read a second time. JOINT STOCK COMPANIES ACT AMENDMENT 1111111111111111 BILL. On the motion for the committal of this bill, Mr. C. FOSTER was understood to appeal to the Vice-President of the Board of Trade on behal of a bank and company which he named. Mr. LOWE said the case alluded to would be more properly provided fur in a bill which he should introduce with respect to joint stock banks. At the same time, he must say that the formation of the company in ques tion was running a very co:.sideratile risk, because, al though the promoters had obtained very eminent legal opinion, and although the registrar was quite ju•itified, with that opinion, in registering the company, yet if it should turn out that the opinion was after all wrong, the parties would find not only that they had not limited liability, but that their association was not a legal com pany at all. The bill then went through committee pro forma for the purpose of introducing amendments. ALEHOUSE LICENSING BILL. This bill was read a second time. MARRIED WOMEN'S REVERSIONARY INTEREST BILL. On the motion for the second reading, S:r E. PERRY bad a bill cn the same , su.j . ect, but of a totally opposite character ; and he had p o , cpcne d it i n order that there might be a discussion upon the principle they both involved. He shor.ll therefore move that thig bill be rend a second time that day fortnight. Mr. MALINS—My Lill has nothing" to do do with his t.iii. (Laughter.) The house divided— - For the second reading Against it.. B-145 The bill was then read a second timP, Sir E. PERRY giving notice that in committee he shoal I propose• an amen went enabling imarr;ed women to retain their • ri g ht to reversionary property. PIMLICO IMPROVEMENTS AND PUBLIC OFFICES EXTENSION. Sir B. HALL moved for leave to introduce a bill to extend the time for enabling the Commissioners of her M;jesty's Works to complete improvements in Pimlico and in the neighbourhood of Buckingham Palace ; also a bill to make further provision for enabling the Com missioners of her Majesty's Works to acquire a site for additional offices for the publ:c service, near Whitehall and her Majesty's Palace of Westminster. Leave was given, The bills were brought in and read a first time. SHEEP, &c., CONTAGIOUS DISEASES PREVEN• TION BILL. Mr. BENTINCK nominated a select crlmmittee on this bill. Agreed to. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER brought up the bill upon the &Auld dues, which wai read a first tune. The house adjourned at a quarter before 1 o'clock. PARLIAMEIVTARY DIVISION. HOUSE OF COMMONS. —JuN 8. MARRIED WOMEN'S REVERSIONARY INTEREST BILL► Order for second reading read ; Motion made, and Ques tion proposed, " That the Bill be now read a second time "—Amendment proposed to leave out the word "now," and at the end of the Question to add the words • " upon this day fortnight:--Question put " That the word ' now' stand part of the Question :"—The Howls divided ; Ayes 151, Noes Q. AYES-151. Adderley, C. Goddard, A. Philipps, R. Archdall, M. Goderich, Vis. Philips. J. IL Atherton, W. Greene, John Pilkisgton, J. Ayrton, A. Greer, S. Pinney, W. Ball, E. Grenfeil, Chas, Platt, James Baring, T. Grey, B. Powell, F. Barnard, T. Griffith, C. Price, W. Beach, W. Hackblock, W. Pritchard, J. Beale, S Hall, Sir B. Ramsay, Sir I. Beamish, F. Hankey, T. Rebow, John Bennet, Capt. P. Hardcastle, A. Ricardo, 0. Bentinck, G. Harr s, J. Ridley, G. Black, Adam Hassard, Nf. Roebuck, J. Blanburn, Peter Hay, Lord J. Roupell, W. Bowyer, G. Hayter, W. Russell, Sir W. Brand, H. Henley, J• Scholeileld, W. Pridges, Sir B. Hodgson, W. Seymer, H. Brocklehurst, I. Holland, E. Sheridan, R. B. Bruce, Lord E. Bomb,' , W. Smith, A.B. Buller, J. W. Issgestra, Viscount Smollett, A. Caird, James Ingham, IL Somers. J. Comae, Sir J. Johnstone, H. B. Somerville, Sir W. Christie, Samuel Jollint, Sir W. Spooner, B. Clifford, C. C. Jones, D. Stanhope, J. Cobbett, J. M. Keating, 11. S. Stsisleton, J. Codrington, General Ker, R. Steuart, Andrew Cogan, W. U. F. Kershaw, J. Stewart, Sir M. Collins, T. Knatchbull, W. Stuart, Lord J. Cowan, C. Knight, F. Sykes, Col. Cox, William Lewis, Sir G. C. Talbot, C. Craufurd, E. H. J. Liddell,li. G. Thompson, Gen. Cross, R. Locke, John Townsend, J. - Crossley, F. Lowe, It. Trefusis, C. Darner, L. M`Cann, J. '.l relawney, Sir J. Davey, It. M'Cullagh, W. Turner, J. A. Dodson, J. Maguire, J. Van.ittart, W. Estcourt, T. M ainwaring, T. Warburton. G. Evans, T. W. Mangles, C. E. Warren, S. Farnham, E. Manners, Lord J. Western, 9. Farquhar, Sir W. Matheson, A. Wcsthead, J. Fitzgerald, W. R. S. Mclguud, Viscount Whitbread, S. Fitzgerald, J. Miller, T. Whiteside, J. Fords, Colonel Mills, T. Wickham, H. Yr. Forster, C. Mowbray, J. R. Willson, A. Foster, W. llfulgrave, Earl of Wilson, J. Fortescue, F. Naas, Lord IVingflelci, E. Fortescue, C. Neate, C. Woods, U. Freestun, Col. O'Connell, D. Gallsvey, Sir W. Ogilvy, Sir J. TELLZAI. Gard, It. Paget, C. Gifford, Earl of Palmerston, Yiset. Maitne, R. Glyn, G. Pease, IL Mlles, W. , NOES-S. Dillwyn, L. O'Brien, P. TELLZM. Erhart, J. Stirling, William Perry, Sir E. North, F. • Willyainm, E. Raynhiun,VlsCount Country Markets. CHELMSFORD-Ju 5. To-day we had a fair supply of wheat, which had ready sale at the prices of last week for best samples, as 1 inferior qualities scarcely maintained those prices. Spring corn of all kinds ♦ery little doing, and the prices were unaltered. Wheat, whits, old, per s. s. qr.3l 71 new 34 70 red, old 29 61 new 29 61 Barley 35 46 Chevalier 4O 54 Grinding 35 45 Malt 73 77 Chevalier 75 79 I. ill.„ Oats, per qr 24 30 Peas, Partridge 41 44 Whit e 39 47 Boiling 39 4,., 8 Dun 37 4 u Beans, Tisk 35 49 Harrow ticks 39 43 Mazagan 34 3'. 7 Ditto, new 34 38 Official Statement of the Qua: in tho port of London, fro . J une 1 to June 6, both hie] ►ntitiea of Corn, &c., reoeivoi ma the following ports, froS )lusive. Colchester Harwich Leigh Id:aldon 4) . CIA 2 2 4 - 1 5 1 252 - 1225) - COLCHESTER- Jumi 6. A moderate supply of wheat to-day; which sold at the prices of last week, but the trade was flat. Beane and peas very ecarce, at about is per qr. advance on the lamb week. Prices to-daywere as follow :—Wheat, white, 66s to 70" red, 568 to 628; barley, 41s to 483 ; oats, 268 to 283 ; beano. lifazagan, 383 to 403 ; middle and small, 423 to 463; pooh white, 38.3 to 42b ; grey, 32s to 46;. ( KIRKCALDY-JUNE 6. Wheat and oats to-day exp er i ence d a - ready sale, 66 last week's prices. A slow sale for barley. Small supPlY of all kinds of grain. Wheat. 1 Barley. 1 Oats. 1 Beang: i First sBs Od I s 0,1 (, 33 04 Os U i I Second Third 32s Od 3ls 01 g 28s 0d f 0g 01 COAL IdAREJ Prices of Coals per ton at ZT.—JuNE 8. the close of the market. Wallsend, 41to. I. cl. Walker Primrose 13 9 E it. Framwellgate l5 6 (Hough Hall 15 6 South Ho tton 17 .' Noes l7 6 ° Hetton l7 Lam bton l7 u ,Trimdon 10 3 ;, 45; sold, 40. Wallsend, &c. Braddyll l6 0 Kepler Grainge l6 3 Riddell l4 ICelloe 16 31 Whitworth l5 61 Shipe at market LOCAL SHARE MARKETS. LIVERPOOL. JuNg 8. STOOK EXCHANGE.—Tho market is dull to-day, and prices :ire a shade lower. Eastern Counties, 11i—East Lancashire, 9q—Great Western, 63i 3—London and North Western, Eighths, clis.—lidland, 833 13—North Eastern, Berwick, 22—South Eastern, 22i 4—Lancashir• and Yorkshire, nog. • MANCHESTER, JUNI 8. STOCK EXCHANGE. —The market wag quiet to-day again• with rather easier rates. Leeds, 10013—Midlands. 83 Manchester, Sheffield, and Lincoln, 424 4 3--Ditto, 61. Pref., 1 p.--London and North-Western, Eighths. d• —Eastern Counties, 114— East Lancashire, 97—South Eastern and Anon, 224 3-16 —Grand Trunk of Canada , 16. BIRMINGHAM, Jurfal 8. STOCK EXCHANGE.-- Moro was a brisk market, With prices firm. London Eighths, di•.—Midlands closed n 55—Birmingham Banking Co., 31--Birmingham and Staffordshire Gas, 101. The bar silver brought by the last West India steamer has been disposed of yesterday at 611 d. per ounce, being an advance of gl, upon the price realised for that by the previous packet. BIRTHS. OF A SON. On the 7th inst., at Thurloe-square, the wife of Thorns. Bush Sunders, Esq., of Lincoln's-ivn. O❑ the Bth inst., at 9, Strand, the wife of Mr. W. Staunton. OF A DAVGIITEK. On the Bth inst., the wife of Mr. Walter Browne, of London-wall. On the Bth inst., at Lewisham, Mrs. Francis Helm. Firth. MAItRIED. On the 6th inst., at the Church of St. George the Meer' Queen-square, Mr. _Frederick Andrews, of Store-stree t . Bedford-square, to Mary Ann, only daughter of the late Mr. George Russell, formerly of Fenchurch-street. On the 6th inst., at St. Margaret's, Lothbury, jo h n Schofield, Esq., of Tokenhouse-yard, and Percy-lodg e ? Winchniore-hill, Middlesex, to Ellen, youngest daught er of the late Robert Blomfiold, Esq., of Hemley, Suffolk. DIED. Ou the 6th inst., Miss Anna Gurney, of North Der? Cottage, Norfolk, aged 61. On the tith inst., at his residence in Grenville-road , S t ' John's-wood, after a short illness, Douglas Jerrold, Escl" aged 55. On the 6th inst., at the Rectory, Pewsey, Wilts, th . Hon. and Rev. Frederick Pleyden Bouverie, aged 72. On the 6th inst., at the Moat, Charing, Kent, Lieut. Cclonel Percy Groves, aged 85. aged 69* On the 6th i ns t., D an i e l Ol n ey, Esq., of Tring, On the 7th inst., at his father's residence, 31. Kll s ' . ton-park-gardens, James S. Dodd, Esq., of 6, Upper mour-street, Portman-square, aged 27. ed 35. At Basingstoke, Mr. Charles Simmons, jan , eg Hollowel On the sth inst., at Porchester-terrace, Wm. Esq., of Lineoln'd-inn, aged 52. Morrs q. Soy' On the sth inst., at Denmark-hill, Francis Shawi _! 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