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at tot !Miner period wliatever did there exist a ro:iger necrisity for the adoption of the measure ticitt prvsent occasion presented. Earl GIMSVENOR briefly argued, that a strong sen.e existed in the country against the measure; and that numerous .petitions were in preparation. tie particularly adverted to a Meeting which lately took place at Chester, where a petition against the Hill was subscribed by an immense number of persons, must of whom were of, high respectabi lity. The, Bishop of CußsTett, to a certain . extent, corroborated What had fallen from the Wilde Earl, that the petition alluded to was very numerously annetioned ; .but, as we understood the Reverend Prelate, lie observed, that a considerable portion of the most respectable inhabitants of the City in .goesfion entertained contrary sentiment's. Time Earl of Clitosvallott admitted that there were•mttay highly respectable persons whir may Hot have signed the Petition. The Earl of Dantat.av shortly repeated his convic tion that there were not sufficient grounds for pro ;losing the measure ; and he was' strongly of opi- Dion, that whatever advantages may arise from it would lie more than .cominterbalanced by 'the tliscontent which its adoption - would spread throughout the country. • • The Earl of Bosses's; disapproved of time mi .- Rival framing of the Bill, which plated the liber ties of the people in Scotland in a very different, letid still more precarirms footing than it did (hose •of England, lo the former, an inferior Magiss trate .was•empowered mit under the Bill ; where os, in the latter, a responsible Minister,' or'six PriVy'Councillers, were empowered 'to act, So far he approved of the Amendments, as tending to aiml an coned measure of jestice'to -the subjects of both countries ; but of time measure generally, Ile still retained his former opinion. The Lotto Coastcretara felt it his duty to s l iiY a few WOUIS on the present occasion. lie was • one of those who gave his fall allirmatiOn to a si milar measure in 1794, amd lie prosecuted for high treason at that period, because he felt it his ditty to lay before a Jury all that he knew to wards the exposition of crime. As to what was said of the distinction made between Scots and English subjects, he obst.Nved, that from all the knowledge his practice hail afforded him respect log the law of Scotland, and from the ()pillion' of the Noble'and Learned person who preceded him in that House, who was well 'versed in the law of England, and very convergent in the law of Scot land, he must conclude that time Bill was rightly frdwed ; Rod he was of OleiniOn the present Bill was framed rightly. lie thought also there never existed aim occasion in time Country, when t he'adop lion of the measure was more necessary; When the most barefaced attempts we re making through. out. time country to destroy every principle of ino 7 I dilly or religion—principles without which it w a s impossible for'any community to exist "lite Bill was drawn up as former Acts of the "kind were ; and if he gave his countenance to the preseut Amendments, it was from the i conviction it would ' be better to pass the Bill with sneh Amendameots, • than to (lifer its passing longer, for the purpose of obviating them. Lord Ilota.aisn• was of opinion the Noble and Learned Lord- should inform the House why the Ametiiiments made the Bin worse, as be seemed to think ; however there %vas' very little, or no explanation given either us the nature or the ne cessity of the enactment at all.- lie deprecated time course which had taken place iii hurrying time throuch that [louse, which was on the alleged grofitill of imminent danger, which,•however, the Occurrences , that hail since taken place rippeared to contradict. He animadverted upon th e dan gerous distinction which was originally made in . the Bill, between the subjects of both parts of time island, which the amendments were merito rious for going to obviate. if - the Measure, as 'proposed by Ministers, had any merit, it was the exception of Ireland from.its-purview ; im circum stance which, in his conscience, he - believed would do sonic good in that country. Time Earl of Lstmosatrat.rt warmly stmpporred what had fallen from the Noble Lords on .his side of the flom.se against the Bill, which he Contend il 11,1(1 been proposed to Parliament without a shadow or tittle of proof as to its necessity, - .• Earl BaTtiousT arguer) ably in. defence of the measure, and in vindication of the Report of the Committee, -which shewed a sufficient grotool for the Mcasnre, the expediene) 'and necessity of which had already been decided Ilium by the House, af ter long and deliber'ate discussilm. Vic Earl of LAUDERDALE shortly explained. . Cittuv spoke at some length against the contending there was no proof whatever of its necessity, that the apprehended danger was li tt l e or flo od lit ; compared to what existed on former (met ashms of suspending the HabeaS Cor 7 pus Arr. especially in the years 1715-22, and .1745. Under such 'impressions, lie would 'take lime present opportunity (though lie did not dis approve of the Ameodinents) of•attempting to ge rid of the Bmil altogether. The ()notion was then put, when the motion for postponing the coridderation of the Amend ments to that day three months was rejected without a diviAion ; the Amendments were thaiii agreed to by their Lordships. - The tinier of the Day,• upon which the Peers were 4iiinimined, which was ppon an intended mo tion ot Earl OttosysNott, on the subject of Sine cure. Offices and Reversionary Grants, was then read,•when a short conversation took place, across the table, principally between the Earls Gaos rt,Noa and LivßacooL, the restiit of which was, tic former Peer was induced to postpone his mo tion until to•morrow seltnight. IRIS/I DISTILLERIES. The Elrl of DARNLEY adverted to a recent fuo. tio n in his for the prod u ction of - Accounts r,e 'Specting the quantities of Grain exported front titeland and adverted to the increasing distresses of th,iviOnntry, pattintlarly the northern parts,' Arithleferenee to its supply of Corn. The sub-b jeet tor thought Mot worthy the most serious Lit- , t,utiou of his Mt jetty'S Government., which, hel! , triitted, woithl he turned. to It, mid the Noble l'Afi wished for iofortinition as to the intentions ot Ministers respecting a stoppHge of the Distil . 'I he Ear! of Ltvearoot, could assure the Noble Liml and the House, that the project, of which all 'were aware of the importance. n•as in The most serious consideration of his Majesty►s Un vernment, chiefly Hs it tespected both Scotland and Ireland. With tesnect to the particular mea sure alluded to, he thought that, under the pre sent circumstances, its operation would be rather initltiOLlS than beneficial, as it wonlff go to throw immense advantages into the hands of a few in dividnals, and go to inereattit - the distress,ot others. The Noble Earl seemed to say a great deal of what was complained of arose fro►t the unfa vourable state of the last harvest. The Bail Of LAUDERDALE admitted ihat adoption of the-measure in question woul► 'tend to throw immense profits into the h►►nds of a Pe w DidiViOttais ; yet, in, another l►oint of view, he did not seem to think it would be attended with those disadvantages which the Noble Eat I con templated ; and observed, it wo►►ld be for the in- terest of_stich persons to give_ the highest prices for the hest grain. The Earl of DAttivt,PN spoke shortly in expla nation. He felt the tpiestion of so Dwelt im portance, that he sltould deem it hii duty ere long to snbnlit sonic peoposit inns on the subject to the Ilauseldjourned till to-tmmow. HOUSE OF COMMONS. Lord LAScELLES postponed his notice relative to the alteration of the Poor Laws,. as affecting the Proprietors of Mines. Ilis•Lordship did not' fix any day for bringing on his nu hut %visited it to he positively understood that he would hying it on this Session, as he postponed it in compliance with several applicatio►►s which had been made to him by several proprietors of mines. BgNNETT postponed, till l'hntstl.►y, the 13th inst. his motion respecting the appointmcn). of Mr. 'Jellies. GAME ACT. Sir EDIVAIID KNATCI-1130.4.1. WiSI►NI to introducq a Bill ,to alter am! anteotl the GOllle Act ; sob ject which, Itc 'thought, c►►lled for Clue attention of the Ilonsr and Country. A...bi1l had been brought in for the total repeal of the Act ; but lie thought to repeal it in tot() would .be a great injury to the, cotintry. By the Act, persons going out at night, armed, for the destruction of game,' were made liable to transportation. So, far he %visited the Act:eontinned. Tire Act alto provided,. that if they were not armed, they should 'be sr; bailie. Ile Wished to remove this, thinking the present laws sufficient. Ile wanted to repeal that part re, latini; to rogues and vigabonds. To the intro, dueiloi l of. this Bill he hoped there would be no t)birel 1011. lie. then moved for leave to bring in a Bill to prevent persons from goi n g out at night, armed, to destroy game; and to repeal that part of the last Act respecting rogues and vagabonds. Leave .was given, and the Bill brought up, and read a first Sir E. KNATCHBULL said, he did not ..wish to press the Bill in 11.1151 e. Sir S. Itomit.wr hoped an early tloy would be - nimed for the second reading, as he couH not see .wlvy an act which it was fit to repeal should :re-' main. Ordered to he read a second time on Wednes-' "day. Islr. M. FITZCHUIALD lUOVCiI for , certain reports presented to the 1601 Parliament : in 1784 and 17t.;5, with a view to direct, the attention of the to the stare of the Irish %vhich was now of great importance ; parti, , ularly the number of persons out of employment, and the propriety of giving :occupation to the dismissed sailors.—Ordercd.• _ LANCASHIRE PETITION. Mr. B. WapnAnssurose for the Purpose of pre senting a Petition, numerously signed by the Ma gist-IMM Clergy, Freeholders, and other tants of the Hundred of Blackburn, hi the County Palatine of Lancaster, expre4,ing their abhor rence of the conduct of those , who, under the mask of Reform, wereendcavouring to subvert the Con• stitution—who had emiisatics at work all over tne Kingdom, endeavouring, by every art; to inflame the populace, and stir 'twin up to acts of % iolence, and carrying about petitions ready made for the purpose of procuring the people by any means to sign them. The petition prayed the 41J o nse not to consider that the feclinv of the great body of the ileople were ca pressed in such Petitions. The lion. Gentleman then stated, that - the Mcking at which this Petition was agreed to, Was most numerously and respectably attended, and that it might be considered as ex pressing t he sentitnenta of the great hotly of the Inhabitants of Laucaibire. Ile then Mentioned at this Meeting was first appointed to be hei • • the Town Hail at Preston, but I hat otr the day fixed for its taking place, the Hall-dors were no sooner opened than a great hotly of the populace rushed in.. and filled'. be Hall, to ,the exclusion of the more respectable part of the people ; and that when the place of assembly was thus filled, au Address was agreed to, which was quite eon• teary to the general feeling of the people. On the question that the .i'etitiou should lie on the table, Lord STAxt.gy protested against its being sup posed that this was the Petition ot the people of 'Lancashire, or that it expressed the sentiments of any other persons belonging' to that county than those by Whom it was signed. Mr. CAWTHORN maintained that this Petition exgressed the sentiments of by far the greater part, of the people of. Lancashire ; and eoutirrned the. statement made by his Hon. Friend (%1r; Wilbra ham), as to the other Aleeting. The. Hall at .which that .other Meeting was held was almost entirely filled by people of the lowest order, ' and the Atijlress of igwally moved there, Was njected, and an amendment to it moved, amid car' - rigid by the majority, It would he great injustice to the great body of the people of, Lancaster to Consider such au . Address as expressive of their tvelings ; an Address carried at a Meeting.of the lowest orders, who he understood were harangued by a ntischievouS person of the name of Casey, an, Irish renegade:—(Llear, hear ! and emits of order' from the Oppositiun):-Ale was not afraid, to, re peat Irish renegade and ajacohin.—(Hear, hear ! mid order.)—What the anteudincnt Svas he t!lii 4.l:saelly-know. but 'he was sure it did not speak the feelings of the trveholders of "i and he would venture to buy, that there were nut twenty freeholders who voted fur ite although it !va.4 cart led. Mr. ltaoliattAm defended Mr. Casey. k more respectable member of the commercial world, in which he tong was, did not exist on 'Change, or iit any other place where commercial tnen are in the habit of meeting. He certainly had been un fortunate, but so far from . thinkiug his miafor- , tunes a ny cause of r e p ro a c h, be (Mr . B.) thought they ought ruttier to have screened him from the nit icic of the Honourable Gentleman. 'Plea!! him a renegado—(Hear, hear, hear ! from the Opposi tion),--was so monst;•ons, and would he so iticon venient,•if applied to all those who left Ireland, or who left their principles—(Hear, hear, bear!) that he really wondered very much that the Hon. Member for Lancashire, with all his Parliamen tary experience, should have used such language. Such an attack upon an individual, for whom lie (Mr, B.) would here claim praise for his uniform, consistent, and manly conduct in public (and in private life his character was not less praisewor thy), was, to say the least of it, very extraordi nary. Not less extraordinary was die attack made upon the Meeting at ,Preston, because the Address which was then agreed fo tlitl not meet 'the wishes of the Mover and Seconder of the ori ginal Address. He spoke tro u t good information when he said that the Meeting at Preston had been most numerously and respectably attended. Mr. BARING observed, that the House was liable to be imposed on by petitions, signed by the lowest rabble, and purpoiting to express the sense of a great proportion of the people of dif ferent counties.—(Hear, hear !)—He therefore thought it highly desirable that there, should be sonic legislative enactment to' regulate County Meetings, called for the purpotie of petitioning Parliament, as he knew himself several instances in which a few active and mischievous Jasobins were going about collecting signatures from the lowest rabble to petitions drawn up by themselves, end purporting to be agreed to at nutuerous end respectable .meetings of tire inhabitants of coun ties.--(Hear, hear, hear !)—The right of petition would.be - best seemed by some legislative enact ment to prevent such impositions., Mr. BIRCH spoke in favour of the character of Mr. Casey.—The petition was then ordered to lie on the table. THE LATE MR. HORNER. Lord MotteeTP, in rising -.to move that a new writ be issued for the election of a Member fur the Borough of Saint Mawes, in the room of the late Francis Horner, Esq., believed 'that. tie might be allowed (although 'it might perhaps be rather an unusual course) to trespa%s for a short while on the time of the House.—(Hear, hear, hear !)-- He said unusual, because, without instituting any comparison, lie wished to say a feW words as to the character of his departed friend. That Gett , demon having been for sonic time unable, from bad health, to apply to the labotirs of his proles slots, or to his Parliamentary ditties, was induced to try the effect of a milder climate. But the hope failed, and the remedy was unavailing, lie fell a victim to a llngnishing disease. Yet, under - the pressure of heavy indisposition, he preselect! nu diminished,'•the serenity of his temper, and the vigour and firmness of hi4mind. If he (Lord M.) might be permitted, without trayelliog too far into the path of private life, to notice those vir tues ivlticti embellished the pi ieate.eharacter of Isis lend, be might say, that as a son and as a bro ther, he was the must exemplary—us a friend, the most faithful and kind. These were virtues which lie knew could not come within ,the consideration of the House; but when they were (as in this case) interwoven with a public character, thef be came public property:—(Hear, bear, hear !) But us to the_ public. character of his fliend, he might confidently appeal to that profession of which be had been SO distinguished an ornament— he might appeal to this Musk,_ where he was, al ways heard with feelings of admiration.. (hear, hear, hear ! from all sides of the House.)—lic might be allowed generally to soy, that he had raised the edifice of his own fair fame on the firm basis of rectitude and conscientious ho nour. Ardent in thelowsuit of - truth—zealous in the cause of hunianity; he avas inflexible in that of justice ; and in the expression of his opinions in :his house, he employed that chaste and -simple, but at the samc.titne, nervous and affecting.style, which . seemed to combine the force and precision of legal argument with the refinement and ele gance of, philosophy. It would not be necessary for.., him to say any thing as to his political opt,: pions, to conciliate, or to provoke observations from Members on the other side of die House.— (Hear, hear !)--Bot he was sure, whatever diffe r reisce there might have been, in their political opi. 'lions, it must now be forgotten.—(llear,rbear, hear !)—They would allow that the man whose loss they now deplored, had never by any means aimed at undne poptilarity.—(l-lear, hear, bear !) —lt would be allowed that tit r e expression of hiS opinions, however * manlyand decided,' Was never tioetured- with any thing like perSonal 'invec tiyce.,---(llear, hear !)---And yet, successful its his exertions hail been in that House and elSewirerei considering; the contracted' Span of, hits life, they could only be con , idered as the harbingers of iris future fame—HS affording an earliest of what was to be expected from the maturity of his talents.. But alas ! his career was prematurely closed. His death was a loss to his fatnily-a, lois to his friends--a loss to his country ; in any times of no' . Ordinary ma g ni tu de, but in tittles like the present' most severely to be fell. He had studied the strtictilre of our Constitution, and deeply tot,- templated every branch of the politics of bis coun try, sometimes with the slew of exposit* . its de fects, and sometimes to point out its perfections. Amidst the deepness of our sorrow for such s 3 loss, it WAS some consolation to think, that a man not possessed of bere‘lirary rank or fortune, should, by his cm n talents, be'ithre to 'vindicate tO him self a situation in society, of which those born to the highest honours and the greatest wealth must hove been proud.--(Hear, hear, hear !)-- The Noble Lord concluded amid cheers from all parts- of the House, by begging pardon, not for having introduced the subject, but for having done it 'so imperfectly. 'He'then " That a now Writ be limited for the election Ist a 'relent-, her to serve in the preser4 rash:intent for the lioriktpth of St. Mawes, in the room of rVailtilt IJortier, Esq. decease*" - Mr. CANNING...N.Of all the cases its wilicis that course had been punned, !bleb bielo oti had entered upon this ttigbt, 'sod " 4 ► one through' with so much 01'4°7: taste, be could recollect no Instance In could he so sure to sandier the 1 0 0 Members on all sides of the Hattse — ( , i . ,0 1 hear,!)---I{e (Mr. C.) had not the billri the personal and pr i vate acqueistmlqi.` 1 whose loss they now lamented —be ~ only in this {louse`; and for I! 1' 3,1 not the good fortune 11 splendid and nis ture_etforts. ailwireil the 'earning and tient played--;-*liis temperate and* tin genuine .warnali of his feeling); be was betrayed—and, adder modesty with svhich be bole IL accompanied by that firmaese were so conspicuous in bits elt_ i '. the goodwill, and cornmandeu whether in the discharge of I l'arliamentary' ditties.—Cika r conclude withotitadopting life Noble Ft lend, that it would hi any remembrance of differs:no nions with other feelings excite But when be beard this lioto" , coed time brought forward 8$ of splendid talents, be might, 1 for the theoretical defects of slim that it worked well whe' House men, who, gifted by P' lents, might there have an , veloping or maturing, so as to touters of the councils, and of country.—(Licar, hear, heal !) Mr. 114;stizsts SUTTON said, his fortune, for several years, ti private friendship of that (listing' lossithe House and the Cum , ' plore. No change of circtuns•t wish the regard—the severer]. which he felt for that excellent so°'olll,l Noble Lord had so eloquently the House to appreciate m ore devi tl Y t l oot it bad sustained. It was not oily ' a , f , C Ot but in all- times, that the loss of slic' l sc ort tion of integrity and of talent , tyj i s .. , s To lic calarnity.--s(flear, hear, Ilea", A Ds Hon. Gentleman who spoke last 3 ectet o the he did not know the pviv'tt e clu ' i ri 100 1 Horner; but there was no wan %110 I ', i v 1 in private life, who bad not witnes.ssstioo, virtues that adorned his private -heir guess what a chasm he had left in the WO friends. 'fhere never lived, s 1 0 1; 1 00 could more truly be said, that wilet c 1 1 ,:slite stated,ie 0 in public , life he was respected end (i . Ile priest e life he was esteemed and 1 0 t. c ., 00 anxious that the House should hear °I; o p Ifi few words, in discharge of it 'ltch (, " 100 • 1 1 of gratitude as (SP:justice, to the I °' it , ol' `ear . a friend.—(Cheers front all I' d 11-.° ll t l l i s .. e. C ) C. WyriN . e.--After wh.s' hi d )1)r:1e:1'4'1'11 .saiii, he was afraid it tnight elill,e ar , I ,l'o l l for uny one to say more. llis .o ° `' ryirieOi: li ` vult with the feeling n atural t° c ", ‘ sibil t ' l Alr.`flortier ou his Character, w hich . ' o dn , rayelelicity of cat•rying all tbc antealliroi i n I, tress of feeling which distingaisbed ' ete r ° l l , IV ° public lite. The public el'grsothsili,i tiorner was more distinguished thl.spiot'el)l,., He neve°ruelxillieibliltaedd ever l k i e n a ° t % --- va ile f ` ):rl ; l l . l , 4 o l i' ''Y " b :, l: , i‘ i il t a l i e m e th ot b il e a t r r y a_y ktiomhii:tfocai totis:e:lt's woootoAi.ip: b e ni ight afterwards regret, Hi!, 1 - leas i i " i (eat:llll.:ed S leel i tt. r o: S .: . ) ROMI 1. LY.—Having bag i b i he iii ii i: P o l)°, o 4*l if long and most intimate itien" s ; feit,,./ llorner, be was desirous of sayjogiobiov on this most distressing occasi°"' ss . °ll i' ii t ()l t iis r .il l ini t ertt t; : s ew.e)i t , i t I infitit,•iviifviolayrtstencaobtinu,sitiiitai soeli.titiuip:uinshoilsiib.tcisielialc!eb:: ioili':1:0:. was The indupendence of his eh/1111 85s t° ' A that independence, which, while he t '. o f 0 1 1 4 Of British and foreign politi cs ' wili.e °lel :" apart in t he discussions in this flollr e ' ll a Is l i ' the Snine time continue die pail° illigb l ui • h , nir his charac o te r r a l n P ii r ; lie h S e sj4 ( ) S 6 ;r inS.V;lllll:Ve la r e tr):ls ? l,' theii uteri's were last w t e ti r . e o v sufficiently continued the practice of Itifrr° 1C !, 1 3 1) .9"'„1 01 „: of independence.--(Hear, heart 1 , i 4 1 00 r: I a' loss of some of tYlieeargsr'etalitiesstlipt)lll:lciel:lo;3l)°rect6teiri 1)Iii ad adorned the country. But in to, . l i t fo l pf. ere was ts - Omething that dist iniV iis :l,s ' il 1 1 it' l ., ~The other great men id' t . , ist isse l 4 4l ' t r i "g the period which h e Ili ; oil g / ,'; 1 11) attained the mer idian o f their 01111 : e0 cli 411 ;r 1311 t when he recollected boiv l° ce lies o `or ing Session _die eloquence of his l es o isil I A hall. acquired netv, forces—haw 11 „ s ,.. e issl I ' l 4l ;al?" new•powers—how his iutLoiso see 0 , 01 , litiaa(cit notbe e t r i e i , z i r e o d e t e l l c , d i i t s t t i v il ac tl i e si l s c Y d s t t _ A o, e a t i je l l : , I : , ° . it t elotl ° , o f i lie ,vas rapidly advancing• sr so sjee t‘ ' r i ll. ever distingnished, xi's s in iiseif a h i e el i' - ' 1 admiration : it was thetind and 0 J oe , .- it was employed, that made it -chefVala. sititigt franchisement of the slit ve--th e ‘. A na 1 ' l l l ,t —to extend the means ot education,. or -I . tl"' t a l''' t litl proving the condition of [napkin i. o we 0 A voting it to such objects that it ' 4 Is t tb 0 .d ~, ~,, s( ' et t virtue. T o t h ese e„d„; alone i. - a t! , p as . - 0 "livable matt had applied those I' l l , [Pori .!'...• which Heaven had endowed hin)."( sli, 1 e..) , tll tl t l i . II eaq.! trom all parts cf . the iss t % 101 l 1 i gi c a ,,,s Air. W. TZ, —I,LIOT.—.AIIIOIIS I° - 1,004401 could not deny himself the trelancho )„ A ss ,i, !, ' ftste elP as "': o i: o adding (,is humble tribe 0 ar 1 1, lion to the meruorY of that exc e iir itle°,, i osd, 'len t el" I, loss so many now deplored. Hi ' able 'ilicg; i l F i t his excellent talents, his 1,1401r6-- I re nto; e orq . sober zeal, his chaste eloquence:ooolo4 one of the greatest Ornantent.oa, he b , f 0. .1 i ,'",_ well as of the profession." ) • %°)I 1 6 1 ° 111°0 ' 1 ' 10' and R finished tnodel to the rising g % ow (t, , tit lt( loss of such a man, at such a iit° e '• !dol t ' st y , tot } to i ll , . tempt to estimate ? Be had lase' r i t s le e V": this •world at a time when hit/ lii • e lly de l ' d ito or .4 - deeply felt, tho' certainly not Y e- nieyt eel and. When his country hail th e g i : e' -' 4‘3l I ,ot'' such eminent talents Ana int e r °. t; from all parts of the I-louse.) iig 1 0 1 the Mr: C. GRANT, itlll.---01"--1- others. the IWO li"i Witrits l But iiC It 130Iy vt.lwo in ° ed to Ili I. bis an d hoetW, 11010 1) 11.1CO . PT bis 9-110 c!'e • , 0 1)! , . • pe itt led optot!: ,ugh 00 11 1 !" $ v ocallt 4 I . as vane colt, Our C° lBo eu it leniatare ~ta, o pporiti l i t o , , v , the Idust I .0.0 to ljave C"i n / r 4 pit try 11'1(1 u ntil tances