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ROMAN CATIIOLICS. The Members of a Society, who, prafessing a - religion different front svhat is by law established, have. been laid under restraints from which they wish to be relieved, must give the civil governor of that society securities of a,nature ;fully sufficient to guard against the dangeri to• which these re, sti aims, as, prevelitivemeasures I) are been applied. - This I lay down as an indisputable principle, and what I consider as no less indisputable is, that as the civil governor of this society•has alone the right to .determine whether the • danger appre. betidesl from the dissentient .members is real or imaginal y, and if judged to he real, to determine what nusy be the, extent of the danger, so he • alone is competent to prescribe the requisite se curities. These principles admit but of one li mitatiou. Front the professors of the obnoxious religion no securities inconsistent with any one essential . and clearly expressed article of their creed can reasonably be exacted. Short of this, the civil governor !nay insist upon what securities be thinks proper, and as the obnoxious religionists applying for relief are bound, in order to obtain it, to comply with his demands, so on their 'corn. pilaw° he can with justice withhold from them no right or privilege enjoyed by their fellow. citizens. By these prtneiples we are to be guided in our decision of the following questions :—rare the Roman Catholics petitioning for complete tsosncipation 'obliged to yield. obedience to the Biitish Parliament, in what it requires of them 'as necessary , to secure from danger the constitu tion in 'Church 'and State e It they refuse to yield that obedience, has that Government a right t o 'resist the prayer of their petition ? Its order to solve these questions in a satisfactory manner, we must, first, consider what Government requires, and then -examine-:what - her Roman Catholics can, consistently with their faith, submit to. T,he British GovernMent requires, Ist, That: all !kills, Briefs, and Mandates, of whatever de nomination, issued by the Pope, or by persons in- hie name, in order to be published and made the general rule of . practice of the Roman Ca tholics .in any part'of the British dominions, shall be, previously to publication,• submitted to the inspection of the King in *Council ; and • that lists of those to be promoted to the office of Bishop, or Pope's Vicar, shall be presented to him with authority to reject those to whoM he may have well-f °Untied objeCtions. These are the demands of Government. Can Roman' Catholics , consistently with their bit!) comply with them ? are those demands con trary to any essential clearly expressed article of the Roman Catholic creed ? if they are, Govern ment ought not to make them, nor if made ought Roman Catholics ,to comply with them. It they are contrary to any such article, Government has a right to insist on, 'and Roman Catholics have sin right to refuse compliance, The fullest Roman Catholic creed known, is that published by Pope Pius IV., collected almost verbatim from the 'decrees and canons of the Council of Trent, the last general Roman Ca tholic In this creed, is there any one article clearly and expressly forbidding communi cations to be made to the civil power of such papal ordonances as above described, previously . to publication, or lists to be presented to the civil power, of persons designed for the office of Bishop, Or Papal Vicar, previously to actual op ,pointment That any such article is to be found in that creed or other document of equal autho rity in the Roman Catholic chord', I Positively deny. If there be, let it be produced. Till then the Gorernment has a right to require that papal ordonances be by it inspected, and the candidates Inrr episcopacy or Papal Vieariatesapproved,• to pre- vent in the Ist case encroachments omits temporal rights . , and in the 2d, the appointment of persons dangermis to the State, Noßdmast Catholic creed, I repeat it, contains a single article 'prohibiting tlit civil power to interfere in the: choice' of. Bishops and Papal Vi,cars, acrd to inspect Papal Ordonanees for the purposes just now mentioned, nor can any, such, I am confident, be produced. fiat in default of such a creeriove have had resolves from the Irish Prelates, and pastoral charges from the bids!' Papal Vicars;. protesting against this interference and inspection. It 'was resolved by the Irish Pretates.in 1815, - that any interfereuce of the CroWn in the appointment of Bishops for the - Roman Catholia Church in Ireland, would essentially injure,- and might eventually - subvert that -Church. It. 'was declared by ,the Britielt•Pa „ pat , 'Vicars in 18):3, that They mould not consent 'or approve of restrictlints, which control_ the Volk the aepolutin"ent of his own Vicars; isr itt his own commirni•eations with the British Roman 0;11 err tecicsiasticalwatters.: But the.,lrisil citit.c,i.4ssign no Ettg!ton why this inter ference so strongly objected to OMR tie followed'by !melt !semi ci (int e ffe s„ and tbe British Papal Ificars affirm, they do not attempt to prove, that th'e*King,,hY inspecting the Papal Mandates, !and interfering in the appointment of Papal Vieari, controls the Pope's spiritual power, or is preju-: (helot to the spiritual interests oFtheir These resolves and declarations therefore, misty• ported as they are by any articles of a Roman Ca tholic creed, must be considered merely as the pri vate opinion of these Prelates and Papal Vicars, and respectable as it inay be, it cannot outweigh, nor can they expect . it should, the still more respeCt able opinion Uf the Prelates and . Papal Vicars of other countries, who, it is plain frbtn the Re port of the Committee on the laws regulating the, Roman Catholic subjects. of these countries, - see this inspection and interference daily practised with out complaining that they essentially injury, and may es'eutually subvert, the Churches under their care ; or that they control the Pope's spiritual power, and are contrary to the spiritual interests of their flocks. Since there is no such complaint, made, there is good reason to believe that no cause of , complaint exists. I ant aware that the Roman Cathblies will say, that as I maintain that GovernMent is alone competent to judge what se cnrities arc requisite, so I must allow them to be solelycompetent to judge whether the securities re quired are or are not consistent with their faith. 1 admit their claim. But we are not to take it upon trust that the securities are inconsistent with their creed, The Creed must be prothiced , and the article pointed out condemning the securities which Government repines. This has not been done, and I affirm it cannot be done. _ The opposition of the Irish Prelates and British Papal Vicars to these precautionary measures so generally used to prevent the possible encroach- Menta of Rome, and the equally possible servility of the devoted adherents of Rome, Was the less to be expected, as these measures .are not so repug nant to Roman Catholic principles as the oath of allegiance prescribed by the 31st of his present Majesty; art oath taken by elmost; all the Britiah e, Roman Catholic Clergy, anti the principal par sons of the Laity, and though not taken, ,yet acknowledged by the Irish Bishops to be a just and lawful oath.• ]iy this oath the lthmau Catholics faithfully promise to support, defend, and *Haiti tain, to the utmost of their power, the succession of the Crown, RS limited by Act of Parliament, to the Princess Sophia and the heirs of her body, being Protestant'. The Roman Catholics are, there fore, bound to acknowledge and obey the King while Protestant; to renounce and. disobey him when ROMP Catholic. Now, this their promise to acknowlitdge and obey hint as lawful Sovereign while Protestant, ; and ,as such, according to their principles, in the way to Hell, : and to re nounce and disobey him when Roman Catholic, and as such, according to the same principles, in the way to Heaven, iniplies, on their part, a pre ference of the Protestant to' the 'Roman. Catholic religion, tis'ther King's religion, and consequently an approbation of and consent to his believing the Protestant creed, and an approbation of and con sent to his disbelieving the Roman Catholic creed. How they can approve in one man what they con demo in all others; how they contrive to reconcile their predilection for Protestantism when professed , by the King with their detestation of it when pro fessed by his subjects, let them ealplain: That they do contrive it, their conduct is proof positive, and authorises me to repeat what I said before, that opposition to the King's inspection of . papal mandates, and his interference m the choice of Bishops and Papal Vicars, where nothing is.to be found repugnant to Roman Catholic principles, was little to be expected front those who approved of the oath of allegiance, where some intim sistency with these principles is manifest. The petitioning Roman Catholics would do well to consider that, if they are afraid to injure their religion by too much concession, ao are the Proa tcstants. Protestants have not yet forgotten, though Ronan Catholics may wish they had, that Popcaand their too devoted adherents have claimed a power from Heaven to dispose of kingdoms at. their pleasore, and that they have acted ac cordingly ; that these claims have never been renounced as soleninly as they have been Made— that claims never formally renounced' may be re newed, and attempts made in consequence similar to thoseformerlymade; that many Roman Catho lic Divines allow the Pope has no direct temporal power, but maintain, nevertheless, that lie has it indirietly, and us they- expresi it, in - ordineaid spirit/mho—that of this connection of tempor a l matters with spiritual" they constitute bins sole judge ; that though the Roman Catholics of the British Empire have abjured th e Pope's temporal power, ,direct end indirect, there:are many of them who hold the Pope, to ,be infallible in spiritual - matters, that he is. judge of what is or is not .spi. ritual, and that whatever of this spiritual kind lie orders to be believed nraysafely be believed, or commands to - , he dorte.,,may-be sittely- practised. Hence the terrors of popery ;till exist among Ili, somewhat indeed abated, but enough remains to create a jealousy of Roman - Catholics in the breasts of :many sober Protestants, who cannot divert themselves of fears for. Chtireltand State, were, what is called, complete , emancipation se. cured to'Roman Catholics. by law. How are these mutual fears and jealousies'to he done, away ? Were I to stay,_ that. the fears Of Protestants are groundless„ that State or Church lave nothing to apprehend from-the admission of Roman Catholics to places ; of trust , and.profit ; that were this admission sanctioned by law, there would be n6ny converts . from _popery . to pro... teitantism, few from protestaotism .to popery, , 1 should be laughed atlay all parties. It is, 44- ever, my decided opittiori, and, nor taken up on slight grounds, that this- . would be the comic quence of total emancipation. But as I have to hopes Wit total emancipation,_as the .means moving, fears and jealousies, will bs .adopted ; beg leave, in concluding this paper, to-suggest another cure for them neither dillionit nor (law.' gerous, and - ttilielt in due time will be attended with complete success, Let Roman Catholics then desist from calling assemblies of their body, trom presenting peti tions, and publish log resolves and pastoral charges all this serves only to irritate. Let 'them resume the tone, the temper and setithilenti expressed ,in the following passage of the Address which t hey prestqael to Lis present MiijestY the 2 d of :flay, 177 : " We have thankfully received," they thet•e say, " such relaxations of the rigour of the !Ors, as the mildness of an eulightened age, And the " benignity of your Majesty's Government, have " gradually produced ; at►d we stthnilssively wait, " without presuming to suggest tither time or " measure, • for such other indulgence as those happy causes cannot fail in their own season . " to effect." To-this made of Obtaining `complete 'emancipti tioathe Roman Catholics may object, that it they adhere to it they must remain in their present state till Doom's day. To this I answer, that were this to be the case, they certainly would be in no uncomfortable state, and that urytersitch a state their ancestors would have lived happy and contented. Why the Roman Catholics of the present day may not rest satisfied with what would have been considered by theltoman Catholics of former times as a very great lOsing, I should be •:440k , ta glad to know. 'That 'they may steer a middle course between incessantly petitioning and . Sub.; missively waiting the ,effeets which the mildness of. an enlightened age, and the benignity of. Go- Vernthent, may produce; a course which was fol lowed in 1778, when the first breach was made in the Penal Roman. Catholic Code, as I. have:been, informed by the only now surviving pei3on otTtlie very few who took an active part in the steps pre,' vious to the repeal which then took place. The idea, my infomant says, of a repeal of some of the Penal Laws enacted against Roman Catholics, w4s first Mentioned privately to Lord North, the Premier of the day, and by him countenanced, but he did not chase that. he .ort any of his party should. be the mover. lie proposed : that some one' or 'Oibre'of the Roman Qatholics should 'prevail on some respectable Member of Patliariiint of the party adverse to him, to - brink forward the aio.- min for repealing the law, which be •Promised he would not oppose; What was the law to be:re pealed,' had been previously concerted with the Mioi,ter; Sir George Saville, nt the deSire.of the Itoenan Catholics, made the, motion te it passed unanimously.. It was. then determined that the same' line of conduct should be followed in all fnture appliCations for further relief ; and:further relief was' ' then considered as proper by all par ties :.but my informant says it was almost home diately abandoned, and hence tame, he thinks';' the' riots Edinburgh in . 1779, time London riots of 1780, and the almost 'perpetual 'a quables r since, among the Roman Catholics themselves. 13e thinks., and so do I, that they cannot to;i' soon adopt; the coarse of proceeding here recom , mended, it is attended with no difficulty or dan ger, as I 'observed 'befOre, and will, I am confi dent, in time be completely•suecessful. AN OLD' CORRESPONDENT. OLD Dr itR4 MAY 7,1817. Curious Circum dance.—Some' days ago, while the gardeners were at work near the wall of the Abbey Orchard, be longing to JANIP.B FEKGUSON ? Esq. of Pittour, p, they were surprised by hearing a strange noise its the wall, like the barking or hoWling Of some wild animal; and by the direful and re peated barkings, curiosity induced them to break open part of the wall where the noise proceeded from—and, to their great astonishment, they found not less than seven young Foxes snugly si tuated,near the top of it, upwards of twelve feet from the ground ; but the old one had escaped, or had not been with them at the time. As there are three Sues extend along the wall, with vents from the bottom of it to the :op, the cunning old lady had 'got in at a bole in the lowermost flue ; but not satisfied with that :upartment, she bad gone to the very uppermost one thinking she was out of danger. The whole seven young ones are stilt alive, and doing well, only a little out of humour for want of their-mother. Suterns.----Tuestlay evening an inquest was held at the Glezker's Arms' public-house, in Water lane,. Blaairbus, upon the' body of a young man named Griffithi, aged 23 years, who put a period to his existence on Saturday night last, by taking quintity of 'arsenic. '1 lie deceased, who was only son to the landlady of the above hduse, had for some coniiderible time past exhibited evident marks of despondency, attended at intervals with fits of insanity of a more, violent nature..--Lat terly he appeared better. Saturday be joined a party of friends who were celebrating a wedding ; but • whilst amongst them, he contrived, unob served, to infuse poison into the liquor he was drinking. During the 'evening he , was observed to he particularly low.spirited. • Soon after his arrival at his-own home he beams suddenly in disposed, and was attacked with violent !etchings, and other symptoms of poison. Medical assis tance was instantly procured, and every possible remedy administered ! but in vain. After linger ing until near five o'clock ott,Suutlaymorning, he expired in the most excruciating tortures. His body upon examination subsequently exhibited a_ spectacle of the most shocking nature, and it was supposed he had taken a sufficient quantity of the fatal poison to have caused, the death of. at least four individuals.-.. Verdict, " insanity." Lx ecu , TioN.---Jusepit Allen, a once respectable farmer ; who :rented a farm of between two Wand three hundred pounds a year in the principality of Chester, anti who Was •found guilty at the late Assizes for tittering forged Bank -notes, was exe cuted en Saturday, in that city, He has left a wife, mother, and seven children. Sunday night last, some villains set fire to a house on Colonel Green's estate, but immediately in the ownership of Mr. Collett, whti bad shortly before, let it to a new tenant—the old one having left the' concern in'arrear. At the time of this ;Malty there were 27 sheep and ten lambs in the house, where they had been placed' at night for security, and they svere all burned to ashes. A few nights before the entire roof was taken off house lately built in the adjoining parish of the same' barony (Gl ena l ii i ry), and carried away upon cars.--monmel Herald Yesterday morning, as a tvaterman was rowing across the Ri ver T hames, not far front tondon• bridge, he found the body of St man habited as a -he conveyed it to Wapping-church, ‘vlierelt 1et114414. THE NEW COINAGE:: 4 Soon after the issuing o f the New Cninsge ,it • was generally reported that counterfeits were cl. reit'dy in circidation , a considerable quantil having been manufactured at Birmin g ham anti sent to London. The agents of Government, jo consequence, used every possible to (lit. cover the coiners and titterers. Mr. Field, the inspector of coins, belonging to the Mint, als clisliatehed to Birmingham, where be sti nt, 'l itt discovering a man concerned in the ntied,ellyioo o"! transactions, caused hint to be apprehed lie is committed to Wirwick gltol to take his ti h6-°ffenoe.Field left Birtninghant by ll'' Union ewe), for - London, 3 nil a ma n got sn itch's cpach from a public-Hollis, about a mile tb i9 of 13,rmingliam, Whose conduct tin the road trti very mysterious ; .he appeared ' very 6 ° 1°116 1 16 o c s i:lk u t F l l e i ! l e a i l i p !i l a k l i e l s ' ri e i l l i l i f e e ' t r : l ,:& v i ,c l . l :f a i l i r t e lY i d l i cdu t t i t : n e etf c ia l sl i ci i iiia s ti t ae , c j w p e p it : l' d itt:lll:ll alighted and went ittto,bye places.,6tc. When thl i ' 'COACII was going up : hills, as the passengers aliglget, to walk, lie walked behind, and beld by Or c" gc 7 to pull !Jim up, appearing to liege a'stitiitanceo: great we ight about-his person.. Theeoacbstoppeo at the OK Hats :Inn, on the Uxbridge-roid, t`) change horses. On the coach starting egai o f ''f, i g n u t a w rd ed d t is o c h o e V , e t r b et e l tm th y a s t i : r e i, ; , % ) - i as in ii a n n O i tirside.Pargeg; shOrt, the coach stopped for the' pastenger,l% dust as ciatetriewafsro;utilnieg buck hart whll af i t o l; 1 ;1 4 ; to mount the coach, he:tins s i e n e le p - b v y f ti t i l r 'e ce liPlialielec i : Officers, who iced 'tonally been r wttitieg til it ! ri some time. to , appreiend bin' nit bit 0 1 " r, from 'l3irmingliarn, bit did not know his ,P 4 ,4 SOtt; eXCepebYilikfilltiCeil. One of them sr v ' e j t° 1111164,1sesliatingi :saying that , .be-hcliejr, lie . was the,ftersou they were Witicil'g, f , ".* „,„lt : c r ! i e r ;,:: 1 1 : 1 : 1 ‘i t e l: - ( ' l e i n t‘ t l: 3 ::l ifi l i r r a_ , :r ' i 'l s ° l l , i'liris):eiii:eii3l!ea.'itot)ai'l'bsi ;:(tallin'litei:vf• et ) t ir t e l c6rtve. Ulcers ..etriiir:, Seizes hint , which khey.accordingly did, and P io than - 6)or et.tail on, wi.tilillea'ir);C'p'endetk°6l:3l°llt7bti,:lojt the`bfficers.tliAt he had nothing! irnprol g ! 'to,/ l'in),A which proved to be correct; .ht it t 1 ; 15.1 1 c :lod no means satisfactory. On inquirY."ll!re,,:t be been in' the yard, it was ascettatnen 0-01, was seen to come out' of - an out-buildiog cul t et dunghill, which was searched, when three pi,i)to ParCels were found, which Were then wiltoiti:°.„., • tor, their baring beers kept close to ICo boqp. ► re v cotitenrs proVed to be coit»terftießank eight ) 0 Nen"Y tokens, amounting to 1068) pache(ll"l,ob dozens, ready for Vile, . but did hi )t `', ll4l , v ilicb . °ther, they were , washed. -The haw-lotion "g s l, o t i e to avoid rabhing off the silver witt! st to Man, whose name. is Henry Miskin , ' vv a9 ' 1 tie man, had left .London for BirMinghainv t° P t " - 1 , e ort catnterfeits of the new coinage';.a fort_.,,ae* od tof ,Iviitii.' mad e, r:rt:hceheipe r s ons o pap er n awn s ; Ids parc els , conversant thell rooftc on c t ° a °l4 i .r n th e e i ;g % : /eat): eu: i h 81 : ,yell y in:ille)1:11 let ciri %re:t fietsr_vniolioaxaruispklntieiiiinlieigcreftesi:toefttoo,tkltiitsitw coinage, 14)16 ' au. ' s a ei' e l 4 cuted, and such . at at first view might pas c o: is the milling, as it a s called,"i'istiv'etti;etigiffeenruconllie)ttfill Bank tokens . were so 'extremell tv e lie :Dook i' that the men who are employed.bY t nt we ( 1.154 ' covered them at fi rst view. - tPf the DA The prisoner • was convicted, uls" - f ot tala l l . . !ct, for having more than fi ve cout!rto earn them niconvicted; and possession , ii nt b withoutthe e i n ft,l pi.beevirlitnfi ot s o b r; ' , e nti , „ears oe :•, 1,1 1: 111 0 1 6 00 1 . tiblc i for h each, on 1,000, amounting t` -,° L o o se °- e not paying, was committed to rile,.% n i r titio n Correction for three months ; at the 1 : e "r o f pro" ~ of that time he will he, tried on a ehnr,,.,, well' w ith "t• curing the counterfeit sixpePces, tion to circulate them. • , „ d ole 'v ete It is Understood that ten or tweive P. - • toe t w l q a n i t i f n r g o front : Birmingham, a l cities of the Counterfeit 'money 6 1 l' Im• . 1 . 00" • i t - olei c .bit .It hai been asVertained that cow ina ge, , crowns are in circulation of the nevt,c(lo,4„ of I ' 4 , not those of the last impressiOn. '''', in ottetia, name of Charles phi/tips. was detecteo sof , yob' four of them on Monday, at the ilisil WO" fpw l e i c iirtt . at h , ploeturwis half-crowdseot i iw i a tr : C na, enbdiaiiraladeitsydis, it t r e n e s s t : :l4 , 0 : ::::;:, i c i ti e 1 11 r o a ; 11 ! tered two there 011 ' Monday raorniq, Juveuivg il uttered two more at the. saraePlitcet ' ha d IVO detained. On searchine;slftenclt,iitl%foti°lellithe'r caeiltYcref's 9 - cp , ... ..• found upon him. : On Toeitlay be ws ..ffice W w .., before Mr. •Bstotts, at the ruoliciu,toisostio street and was cOn°;Mr iattesdinfoarafrarintistal:lB:ll-(°#ei —.-----:—,---- - - _ Ships at Blarket. Ships sold. COAL-AAARK.FT, MO 14. ' l oci , . 0 14 64/ to tit ni t, (16,4 • air "- -. -e tie .......... .. 141 • ••' , ' pd . t. - ~6• 01, 3 Sunderland ..... ... ..... 3 ........ • :!„''''' o a to '''''' (pi. 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