The Sun. — London, England, 1840-10-15 00:00:00

THE I ST7N, LONDON. TIMRST)AY, OCTOBER 165 IR4O, ~~~4• surprise at ...- ►t only reasonable to bestir themselves a little to have meeting called with all reasonable speed, when some statement of the real situation of Mr. Hammers ley's affairs would be made known ; and we hear, in deed, that something of the kind is now in contemplation. expect that they w""•' ' gener. TIMES.--The remarks made on the charges for noting bills of exchange have called attention to the practice of notaries generally, and complaint is made of the prevailing custom of presenting dishonoured bills after the hours of business are over, and it is almost an impossibility to find a person acquainted with the mat ter. The bill having been presented in the morning by the party holding it, or some person representing him, is, it seems, not presented by the notary till the even ing, as if ler the purpose of making a protest which shall be a mere matter of form. The result of this practice is, that " Not at home, no orders," is said to be the general reason for non-payment given by the notary, when at the hour of the presentation it is scarcely possible to obtain any other. The bankeAs clerk, or other representative of the bolder, on presenting the bill in the morning, learns the exact reason of non-payment as " no effects," " not sufficient effects," &c. ; and even if this is written on a memorandum and appended to the bill, the notary, it seems, removes it, and substitutes the unsatisfactory answer he receives from the domestics of the establish ment. It might appear that the complaint against this routine would rather be its uselessness than its likeli hood to lead to any evil, but it is considered that the credit of the house ma) be materially injured by such answers as " not at home" in the estimation of foreigners, who may not be aware of the practice, and think the party habitually absents himself from business. A correspondent complains of several defects in the Post-office system, particularly the circumstance that ;L.:, Parcels Delivery Company frequently excels the post in the promptitude of its conveyance. He also nbiects to certain difficulties thrown in the way of applicants at the money-order department. It seems that the officers refuse to pay the money to any one pat the party himself for whom it is held, and that Lhey will not acknowledge any representative of such a party but his banker. The sums are often sent to per- Sons who are in a very humble station, and have no banker, and these are thus precluded from receiving them by a fit of illness, or any other eircumstance which renders personal application impossible. Complaint is . 0.1.43 made of the state of communication between Lon don and Dublin, and it is said by a correspondent that the same delay occurs now the double line of packets between Liverpool and Dublin is established as when there were none but evening packets. Thus letters which have been sent to an Irish town close to the mail poach reada do not reach it till the third day after they are posted, A letter written in London on Wednesday arrives on Saturday, whereas it is supposed that it might easily reach Liverpool by the night train on Thursday iorning, so as to cross on Thursday, and be forwarded ' 4s inland destination by the mail of the same evening, oas tai arrive on Friday morning. The delay is attri boot to the letters lying twelve hours at Liverpool. HERALI).—So little is known of Spain in respec pf •Iti various branches of industry and manufactures that soup details of the extent of its woollen manu factures may Dot be without interest. This species o' manufacture is one of the most ancient in the country and the most generally and successfully cultivated in Spain. The manufacture may be found in nearly all fhe provinces, and it is the almost exclusive occupation great number of towns. The chief central points of this trade in Palencia are, Alcoy, Onteniente, AIo- Fella, Villa Real. For New Castile—Toledo, Bri )auega, Guadalajara. For Old Castile—Valladolid, Avila, Segovia, and Santo Domingo de la Calzada. For Estremadura—Alcantara. In Leon—Bejar. In Arragon—Tarazona, Saragossa, Huesca, and Jaca. fa Catalonia Vich, Tarassa, Igualada, Falset, iteass, Otot, and Barcelona. Spanish woollen i.Auths wear generally extremely well. In Valencia, powithstanding the civil war, the manufacture has increased Considerably. In 1839, Alcoy, the popula tion of which has nearly doubled since IW2O, and now alu.lunts to 20,000 souls, manufactured alone 24,000 It icces of 32 varas each (the Spanish vara being equal to 'ha yard within about an inch or so,) or 768,000 at 83. 3d. the vara represent a capi tal of Maras, vs.• nool_ . Onteniente, with a population up wards of 30 u , of 12,000, contains about forty manufactories. Be sides the common woollens, cloths of a middling quality a re made in these places , not very inviting in appear ance, as wanting is finish, but the substance and low price of which ensure a preference for general con aureption over foreign woollen cloths. The same re marks will apply equally to the Catalonian wool lens. The finest qualites of cloth are made in Old Castile, at Segovia and Avila. These, with the lower quality cloths of the two Castiles, of Leon and Estremadura, well suited to the taste and wants of the country, find a profitable vent out of the provinces where manufactured. The heaviest descriptions, such as those of Aragon, are only suited for local consumption. Madrid, Barcelona, Seville, and Cadiz are the only places where foreign woollen cloths find a sale, but only as a sort of luxury for the more wealthy classes. English woollens, from the brilliancy of their finish and the moderation of their price, enjoy a great preference, especially in Andalusia. SoMe importations of French woollen cloths take place for Madrid and Barcelona, but not of much import ance, although the quality is esteemed of a superior ki n d. In other woollen stuffs for pantaloons the im ports from France are more considerable. Spanish woollena are made exclusively with wo nat ol iv grovv• e n Foreign wools are strictly prohibited. Th e supply of the home m arket is, besides, well secured to the manufactures of the country by the absolute prohibition with which the impost tariff v• sits all foreign cloths of less value than 90 reals about 183.) the vara, and by the enormous duty of '2(3 reels de vel lon, or about ss. 3d. the vara, imposed upon all quali ties above that price. To this duty, Likely called on/:y d u ty, must be added that of 15 reals 20 rnaravedis per vacs, which under the name of duty de portcs, has to he paid on entry into all the important places and chief provincial cities. It is only the finest foreign qualities which cnn support such excessive imposts, of which the whole amounts to 41 reels 20 maravedla per vara. N.—An express from Paris this afternoon notices the arrival of dates from Alexandria, of 28th ult. The Pacha continued his preparations for resistance, but had addressed a moderate answer to the proclamation, an nouncing his deposition. It was supposed that Ibra him Pacha had marched against the troops landed at Beyrout ; and at Paris it ; was reported, though no doubt prematurely, that Acre had fallen. The above intelligence was not known in the City until after the close of business in the Stock Exchange, and therefore had no influence on prices. The settlement went off very well in the Eng lish Market, but showed it to be a Bear account. For immediate transfer, Consols opened to-day at 874, subsequently receded to 87k, and closed this afternoon at 871 to For November the continuation increased to per cent., the current prices being 88 to 87i, and the latest 87k. Exchequer Bills brought 2s. to ss. premium, and India Bonds 10s. to 1 4 s. discount. T he New Three-and-a-Half per Cents were at 07 to 96i, - per Cents. the Reduced Th ree -a n d a Half at 95 1 to 95k, Bank Stock at 163 i, and the Three per Cent. Annuities at 86i to . The Foreign Seciaritieswre rather higher, but the business done w as very to limited. Spanish Active Bonds Threeuguese New Five per Cents. improv e d t o 30, the Portuguese Cents. were at 21, Colombian Bonds rose to 22 Brazilian re to 73, French Fi ve per Cents., after realizing 105 franes, an improvement of per cent., closed at 104, aid the Three per Cents, were firmer at 70 to 71 francs. The Dutch Stocks were dull, butat 49} to .I.tstise,taedardm on yn,dtthheeTFwivoe-apnedr a-Half per C ents. bein g a Cents. at 94k. The funds at Amsterdam e vening left off, after some fluctuation: at 93M fuornd they latter, and 49 15-16 for the former. There was scarcely any activity in the Railway Shares, and the quotations did not vary to any extent, : They were general l y heavy, Brighton bein g at 11a North Midland at 20, New at 1, and South Eastern and Dover at 18, Birmingham and Gloucester at 17, dud the Bristol and Exeter at 24 discount ; London and South Western Shares were at 12i, Manchester and Leeds at 17i, and York and North Midland at 10 premium. FROM THE MORNING PAPERS OF THIS DAY. (From the Times.) The Thiers memorandum versus that of Lord Pal merston continues, and will continue for some days longer, to occupy a degree of attention. At the same time, we consider it of no very high importance whether the statement of facts brought forward by the Noble Lord, or that opposed to it on the part of the French Prime Minister, shall prove to be borne out by the most satisfactory evidence. The question which most con cerns Europe, and indeed which touches in the most - se nsible manner the so lid and permanent interests of France and England th ems ) . - ves, is not that which has been the most el" State • _.aoorately dwelt upon in their resper:',,,,, .... papers. The first question ra ised b y l'ranee was one of mere punctilio, whether she dad or had not been treated with sufficient forms of respect. The second ques tion raised was by England, and involved that of French consistency. The former question was to all appearance promptly settled, and it seems to be now given up on all sides that no slight of any sort was intentionally offered to the French Government or nation. The other contro versy is not yet disposed of. Lord Palmerston asserts that France, through her Ambassadors, assented to con ditions as between Mehemet Ali and the Porte from which she has since receded, whilst M. Thiers in posi tive terms alleges that no such concessions were ever , acquiesced in by the French Government, or named by 1 any of its, diplomatic functionaries. We have referred to matters of this description purely because they are ' those which appear to have produced the most excite ment between the two Cabinets. But for ourselves, we must acknowledge that they amount in our judg ment to nothing at all. They belong to the class of m ovements called mere " curvetings , " and " p rancin g s.,' They cover no ground of the smallest value, They I advance nos the main European question a aingle step. I For, whether England shall have proved herself the rudest of states, or the most complaisant—whether, France shall have displayed in general opinion the 1 mo st symmetrical consistency , o r the most glavitiulonfgs.' con trariety of pretension—it is perfectly .. 0u that the only point of the least moment to the lasting peace of Europe or to the substantial welfare of Mehemet Ali sad the Porte—that is to say, the matter which ought to determine exclusively the issue of peace or war between them, is the relation as to territorial boundary between the two Moslem Powers, and the quantum of Turkish dominion seized upon by Mehemet Ali which that ambitious plunderer shall now be required to disgorge. That, we repeat, and no dispute about ceremony, is what ought to fix the atten tion of all serious-minded, frank, and straightforward Governments. The rest is comparative affectation, im pertinence, and hypocrisy. It is given up that France, in concert with the other Powers, did, in the course of the year 1839 (July), lay down as a principle of European policy, to be acted upon by them all, that the integrity of the Ottoman empire should be maintained as essential to the peace of Europe. France now asserts, through M. Thiers, that the only subject of apprehension entertained by any Power at that period was a probable or possible attack of Russia upon Constantinople ; and, therefore, that the sole meaning to be affixed to the phrase " integrity of Turkey" was non-violation of her soil by Russia, leaving every other aggressor but Russia—viz., Greece, or Egypt, or France herself, at liberty to break the Ottoman empire to pieces in whatever direction suited them. This preposterous extravagance denotes a cause altogether abandoned by truth, hope, and reason. It is of little, if any, weight upon this general question of what ought to be done by other Powers, to expose the false construction which France may have thought fit to assign to an act in which four besides herself participated. The inquiry is, whether the Four Powers are justified by the motive they have all professed in pur suing the means they have adopted for maintaining, or restoring rather, the integrity of the Turkish empire, plundered as it has been by Mehemet Ali of vast pro vinces on the north of Egypt, constituting the direct road towards the metropolis of Turkey ? We think, in the first place, with the four Powers, that the prin ciple and the motive were just and politic. The next step was to ask the consent of Mehemet Ali. He laughed at the proposition, and scoffingly disdained compliance. It became necessary to coerce him, or to abandon the Treaty. The French Re publicans, Revolutionists, and Bonapartists, bristled up at this, and proclaimed their indignation that any European Power, or Confederacy of Powers, should dare to follow out any scheme of common benefit without the authority of a French Ambas sador, even in the remotest quarters of the Medi terranean. " War, war," has become their cry—abhor rence of this country the key to all their movements. In the mean time the coercive operations against Mehemet Ali have advanced, and hitherto have signally succeeded. By all that we can learn from private and the best-informed sources, there is reason to hope that the grasp of Ibrahim over Syria has been fearfully loosened, that the fortress of Acre has already fallen, and that to all practical and useful purposes the sway of the usurper, from embracing the whole of Syria. and from threatening imminently the passes of the Taurus, has shrunk nearly to those dimensions within which the Allies will in all likelihood be disposed to leave him undisturbed, if he should not, by using Egypt as a magazine whence to draw materials of further violence and aggression against Syria, render it unavoidable, as a measure of seil:deji'nce, for the Allies, to attack the savage in his den, and remove him from Egypt also. But this, we dare say, will be found altogether unnecessary. For the practical measures, then, which have as yet been prosecuted by the Allies, that is to say, by England, Austria, and Turkey con jointly, in fulfilment of the coercive portions of the treaty, we see nothing fairly to object to. There is in deed one step which the Porte has taken, and into which we fear it will turn out that she has been preci pitated by the same mischievous folly which has on other occasions distinguished the Representative of a Power with whose acts every Englishman must feel himself more or less identified—a step whose rashness nothing can excuse. We mean the outlawry of Mehemet Ali, which even Russia has condemned, by the ranco rous spirit of which. the Pacha has been exasperated, without being humbled ; by the superfluous and revolt ing, but ineffectual, violence of which, France has, we doubt not, been secretly gratified ; and by which, as an index both of fury and absurdity, Great Britain we are sure has, in the eyes of Europe, been disgraced, and, let us add, by which we believe the English Ministry has been as much annoyed as embarrassed. A paragraph in a French paper is but a confirmation of what has been stated through other more dispassionate and trustworthy channels—viz., that the cleclieaace of Mehemet Ali has ' been in fact the personal work of that weak mischief maker, Lord Ponsonby, who ought years ago to hare been peremptorily recalled to this country from the Porte. The French paper says, that M. Mauguin, a gen• tleman lately proceeding from Havre to Paris, had been assured by the Russian Minister, M. Benken dorff, of the repugnance of the Allied Minister; to that outrageous measure against Mehemet All ; that they had each and all discountenanced it in the strongest manner, M. Brunow among the rest ; but that Lord Ponsonby had compelled by threats the signature of the outlawry by the Turkish authorities. The act was a mad one. If persisted in, Turkel , is deserted by the most prudent and respectable among the Allied Go vernments ; if repealed, her dignity cannot fail to be I lowered. Lord Ponsonby probably acted without spe cific instructions ; if he did, an immediate reel! and a contemptuous reprimand are the utmost indulgence he can expect from the Foreign-office. If (which we do not believe) he proceeded in consequence of direct orders from home, the folly of Lord Palmerston ought to bring down punishment on his own shoulders. But still revolutionary France rushes onward, with the wild impetus of disease, rather than of ordinary passion, She raves about insults to her glory which none have dreamed of offering, and threatens ex tremities of revenge, which all all the world, at least all Europe, knows that she has not the means to realise. The French war faction exclaims and storms, mistaking noise for national energy, and be cause no retaliatory shout is heard from England, the hostile faction flatters itself that Britain sleeps or trembles. The British Government may have been torpid, or even paralyzed, but the people are not. Even the Admiralty has begun to authorise the sound of hammers in our dockyards—all defensive it is true— all purely precautionary ; not an idea exists amongst us of warlike feeling, much less of warlike provocation here. We rejoice that the English press, almost with out exception, has preserved its temper with such edi fying fortitude. We have carefully watched over our own. Scolding is a woman's vice, and Englishmen, more than most other men, are instinctively averse to bluster. Nevertheless, there are soldiers of the brave Imperial Army living, who have not forgotten, we dare to believe, " eet alfreux silence des Anglais. (From the Morning Chronicle.) M. de la Mennais thunders forth in the National of Tuesday a denunciation, not only of the monarchical, but the representative system in France, as a sink of corruption, meanness, and servility—as worse than the poetionethosefhoduolodr worst tyranny, as more pusillanimous and servile than the most decrepit absolutism. The country is invited to put no trust in the Chambers ; and the same cry has been raised and echoed by journals not democratic, but even attached to the dynasty of Orleans. All this cla mour is certainly mere newspaper clamour, and with ' us would not mean a great deal • but in Franco a large INCREASE OF POOR-RAT • e, not tthbee Chamber astonished of to D . the public take these ra ' vings for sober counsel, ES —A sin le fact, beforean d w with relation to the expenditure for thereliefnof the poor of being muchstone d in Bolton may, perhaps, serve better than ],, a a y elaborate nd and trade Deputies, e a s ji a o n t d go t h t o_ u s p e argument to explode the fallacy that . al and wane together" under the operation of the__ food h representatives forced to vote warlike resolutions, under monopoly. During of this lies with the respectable or strung up to the lamp-posts. 1.837 the three years . ending the . the average quarterly expenditure for 821 . 1 part of the Parisian Poor of Great and Little Bolton, was only w t3helstreMliaerfcd pain n e press, which allowed its pas- This" durin g a period of agricultural distress. By the ' sion to carry it too far in the first instance. At the quarterly abstract la te ] hi' hd it ears, that in very first news of the Treaty of July. b • • y pu is e , app ~ Spits of the al) being signed, the le management of the Tory guardians, who French press called out "To arms I" even before it *Jan now do what they please at the Board, the a mountprovisions of that treaty. knew the . expended for the relief It threatened of the poor of Great and Little , Bolton for the Europe with instant war, if the treaty received the least quarter ending 24th June, 1840, was of execution, Well, the_ treaty has been 2,3221., showing an increase was during a period of of nearly 200 per cent. This d what has been the conseque nce e NN , hy, agricultural • B 1 ltural prosperity.— o ton Free Pron. ' that the ;,elinisterial journals, having fired all their great I what has hithgrth - taken place in regard to the Turco- Egyptian question, continues to engross the attention of every politician. The more that document is examined the more it will be found adapted to the habits of judg ment existing in France rather than to those which exist in this country. They who look chiefly to the plausibi lity of the case made out, and to its more prominently pervading sentiment, will doubtless find the letter of M. Thiers both skilful in its construction and moderate in its tone. But they who sift the truth and the pro bability of statements by such evidence (whether in ternal or external) as it is possible to bring to bear upon them, will, we think, decide that the document in question displays more artifice than honesty, and more mildness of tone than, moderation of purpose. In our leading article of yesterday upon this State paper we showed by quotation of the oppo s i ng passages that the statement of M. Thiers is directly at issue upon very important matters of fact with the statement of Lord Palmerston. Indeed the whole question at issue be tween the Governments of France and England, so far as they openly appear, turn upon points which one 'or - other of the Ministers must have untruly described:- 'lf the events of the negotiations really were what Lord Pal merston says they were, then France has no cause of complaint. If, on the other hand, they were as M. Thiers says they were, then France has reason to con sider herself somewhat slighted, though not, as 'we think, to such a degree as to justify her warlike demon trations, and the menacing swagger of her Ministerial Journals. But now let us consider the evidence. If, when M. Thiers read the letter of Lord Palmerston, he found therein several statements of important matters* which were directly at variance with the truth--if, we tay, he really found this, would not his natural course have been to fall directly upon these statements, to re capitulate them, and to negative them ? This, how ever, he ventures not to do. He recapitulates fairly enough, and with no small skill in condensation, the heads of the statement by Lord Palmerston. He does not say that these things are untrue, and proceed to show when, where, and how they are untrue, but he says " a precise narrative of the facts will completely reply to this mode of presenting the negotiations." Then he proceeds with his narrative, states, indeed, -things which, if we believe them to be true, we must also believe that which Lord Palmerston has stated to be untrue. But we are obliged to find this opposition for ourselves. M. Thiers never di. rectly says that in this or in that point Lord Pal merston has stated that which is at variance with the fact. He proceeds, however, rather more boldly in his summary, and states therein certain conclusions of the whole matter, in its various divisions, which are palpably in contradiction to Lord Palmerston's state ments, although not asserted so to be. These con clusions, however, as we showed yesterday, are not in all respects in conformity with the previous de tails from which they profess to be drawn, but in some points contradictory to them. In others they are not supported by them. In fact, the principal deceitfulness of this State paper consists in that which is given as a summary of the details. First, we have the heads of Lord Palmerston's state ment fairly given, then a long mystification of nar rative details, arid then a ' summary of results ,ob-. viously constructed as direct answers to the heads of Lord Palmerston's statement, but not at all borne out even by the details of M. Thiers himself. He says that it results from the details he has given that " at the commencement of the negotiation the independence and integrity of the Ottoman empire were understood, as France to this day understands them—not as a ter ritorial limit of greater or lesser advantage between the Sultan and the Viceroy —but as a guarantee of the Five. Courts against offensive measures on the part of Me hemet Ali, and against the exclusive protection of one of the Five Powers." We deny that any- such " result" can fairly be deduced from the details which M. Thiers himself gives. _guns on the first alarm,. are now obliged to fire their Small ones. This looks like humility—like giving in and the really democratic press is enabled, with a show of truth, to exclaim to the country that it is be trayed, that even the Liberals and the Parliament arians are shrinking from their first courageous re solves, that nothing is to be hoped from the Cham ber, and that safety is only to be hoped from revolu tion. The Constitutional Liberals have thus destroyed their own cause. The Conservatives censure them for first kindlinc , the flame and exciting the alarm, whilst the Republ;.cans denounce them as traitors for ceasing or smothering their cry. It is evident now, that tl i e French will not make a warlike demonstration "..niess we attack Egypt ; and as we probably shall pot attack Egypt, the moderate Liberals in power will have to answer to the Chambers for an enormous and idle expenditure of wealth, and to the country for an enor mous and idle levy of enthusiasm and warlike idea's, which already threaten to turn against the tranquillity and the institutions of -the State. As the Journal des Debats says, " For every two per sons excited to enthusiasm there are two hundred filled with terror," Such is the state of France. The war party is every day getting absorbed in a terrorist and revolutionary party, whilst the masses of the more respectable citizens, alarmed by the shouts of the Marseillaise, ate filled with fear for the peace of their streets, as well as for the peace of the world, and see in war the signal of revolution. Al ready the snore ardent of the National Guards are drawing petitions for war, because, forsooth, the national honour has been insulted." This was the cry put forth by the Moderate Liberals—a cry as false as that telegraphic despatch which announced the " nine days' bombardment of Beyrout." This nine (1 . 7 . , y5 ' wond©r turns out all a lie ; and so ought to be ; een th e insult to the national honour of France." ihe civic guard of Metz is very warlike, very illd;:g . nant ; the language of its petition is worthy of 17 0 ; 2 . letz is the capital of a frontier province ; the fertile from it in 1815, and which is most anxious to recover coal districts lopped k ", get closer to the Rhine. Some pacific Lorrainers protested that Prussia had no intention of offending France, and that war should not be directed towards Prussia. Great is the indignation of the Metz war party at this. The Prussian provinces are their prey, of which they are not to be deprived. The same fer , ment reigns everywhere. The writers and orators who first raised the war-cry, would now, indeed, allay it. The Journal des .Debats, which on several occasions fanned the flame, and denounced the perfidious Albion, is now in despair at the menacing and universal cry. What will be the result we know not ; but this we clearly see that the leaders, whether statesmen or pub licistes, are alarmed as to the consequences of their own premature war-cry, and are startled by the echoes which their imprudent and exaggerated clamours have excited. (From the Morning, Advertiser.) The best guarantee for the preservation of the gene ral peace amidst the uproar now raging on the Turco- Egyptian subject is to be recognised in the necessity— felt and acted upon by Ministers on both sides of the question—of laying before their own countrymen and the world an exposition of the circumstances, motives ; and objects, which influence and direct their diplomatic action. This is a cheering homage to the supremacy of public opinion, a supremacy which marks the progress of popular intelligence, and in thus yielding to moral and intellectual influences a precedence over material or physical appliances, makes every nation anxious for peace in the direct ratio of its capability of appreciating its own interests. Such is the homage to opinion in directly rendered by the publication of the communica tions which have lately passed between the British and French Cabinets, and directly acknowledged in the con cluding paragraph of M. Thiers's manifesto, when he remarks, in reference to France— " Although she is armed, and free to act, ill 'her efforts will be employed to avert these calamities and catastrophes from the world. She will make all the sacrifices in her power for the maintenance of peace, short of those which touch her honour ; and if she holds this language at the present moment to the British Cabinet, it is less for the purpose of complaint than for that of proving the frankness of her policy, not to Great Britain only, but to the world, whose opinion no State, however powerful, can at this time despise." While thus rejoicing in the deference paid to or rather enforced by public opinion, we regret that the National Guard of France should, even to qualify the boldness of their language to the President of the Council, so far compromise their own judgment as to assert, that all the efforts of Foreign Powers have " but one object—the abasement of our revolution." This assumption can have emanated ;only from the vague and violent declamation of that portion of the French press, which, to pander to the personal views of the Minister or to the martial propensities of a cer tain class the most worthless of the people, lashed itself into a paroxysm of rage on the baseless supposition that the Treaty of London was intended as an • insult to France, and a plot against the liberties of her people. Neither M. Guizot nor M. Thiers, however, have been able to point out a single act on the part of the British Government admitting of such interpretation. Even M. Thiers's especial organ, the Constitu tionnet, is constrained to admit that the only slight by the British Cabinet towards France was one of mere form, for which the utmost explanation has since been offered. The paramount object of the National Guard was a censure upon the French Ministry, which no doubt they endeavoured to palliate by affecting an ap prehension of foreign invasion, the real grounds of their fear being internal despotism, as they clearly intimate when they thus address M. Thiers— " We have come also to declare to you that it is not the capital which requires to be fortified, but our frontiers of the Rhine and of the Alps. Raised much less against the Holy Alliance than against liberty, the fortifications of Paris are, at this moment, in the eye: of every one, only a means of doludieg public opinion, of lulling vigilance, diverting the public attention from the important events now occurring, and of veiling all the baseness of di plomacy. " If a new invasion menaces us—if treason brings back the foreigner to our walls—the people themselves, after getting rid of the traitors, would easily contrive to orga nise against the enemy the means of defence, and to dig a trench for them between Paris and our armies." Let the National Guardibut ask themselves—" Who are the traitors ?"—and act 'upon the obvious reply, and there will be no need of making. a demonstration on the Rhine or the Alps. They will rescue their revolution from abasement where only it is threatened—at home, and no foreign power will ever think of molesting their 'rontiera. . (Front the Morning Herald.) The tone in which the advOcatei of Lord, Palmer ston's Eastern policy treat the answer of M. Thiers to his Lordship's elaborate despatch of the 31st of Au gust, would of itself excite a suspicion that both the Ministerial and Tory defenders of the honour and wis dom of our Poreign Secretary find that they have a very difficult task to execute. Their abusive intern perance only proves the truth of the old remark, that they who lose the argument are the first to lose their temper. It is easy to call the calmly-reasoned and temperately-expressed note of M. Thiers " a tissue of manifestly evasive quibbles," and a " pettifogging and inconclusive piece of shuffling ;" it is easy to indulge in such coarse abusiveness as vents its ill-humour in such offensive sallies as the following, in allusion to the phrase of M. Thiers, that the Jorce of facts is stronger than the resolutions of Cabinets :—" What is this em pire of facts? it is nothing—a mere idiom of the patois of fraud, so long the vernacular of French Ja cobins. The empire of facts is an apology, of which the highwayman or the pickpocket is well entitled to avail himself as M. Thicrs, or the traitor-tyrant and butcher, whom he would make the client of an ho nourable4 free, and gallant people." Now, in what way had M. Thiers used this expression, "the force of facts is stronger than the resolutions of Cabinets," to justify the grossly abusive comments that puts him as a rea soner and moralist in the same category as the high wayman and pickpocket ? Let us see. Politicians, who, in their new-born zeal for the sovereign rights of the Sultan of Turkey, pass over every other con sideration, as a justification of their crusade in Syria, but the one, that Niehemet Ali is the vassal of the Porte, and, because he is so, should be coerced into obedience, or crushed by foreign Powers, may not like to be reminded of the recent instances in which the principle of rebellion against those sovereign rights was fostered, encouraged, and rewarded by the very Powers that now prefer the risk of a war in Europe to the toleration of a disobedient vassal in Syria. Before M. Thiers replied to Lord Palmerston's des , patch, we had ourselves, more than once, reminded the Christian champions of Turkish legitimacy, of their own participations in wresting Greece from the authority of the Sultan, and dismembering his empire, to make a portion of it a nominal independent kingdom, but a quasi province of . Russia. We had also called to the recollection of those self-styled defenders of sovereign rights, that Russia—the pretended protectress of Tur key—has contrived to sever, in all but name, the princi lities of Moldavia and Wallachia from the Ottoman empire, and that she even compelled those principa lities to furnish contingents for the invasion of Turkey, when Diebitsch was about to carry the sword of Museo ite war over the Balkan into the heart of the Sultan's territories —thus compelling the subjects of the Porte to take up arnzs against their lawful Sovereign. What does M. Thiers say of those historical facts ? He al ludes to theM in very mild and merely explanatory, or perhaps we may be right in saying expostulatory, terms. He says, " When the Sultans of Constanti nople, no longer in possession of sufficient force to go vern the vast provinces dependent upon them, saw Mol davia, Wallachia, and, sti'l more recently, Greece, slip insensibly from their hands, what was done f Were efforts made by a decision of Europe, backed by Rus sian troops and English fleets, to restore to the Sultans the subjects who slipped from their power 7" That is a sore question —a question much more easy for M. Thiers to ask than for Lord Palmerston to answer, consist ently with the pretended zeal of the Four Powers for the sovereign rights of the Sultan and the integrity of the Ottoman empire. (From the Morninu Post.) The manifesto of the French i..loverarnent respecting faithful discharge of public duty possesses a power upon the minds of Conservatives, to cover all the past sins of those in whom it is found—even the transgressions that have led to the present danger. FROM THE DAILY PAPERS OF YESTERDAY. (From the Globe.) We yesterday delayed noticing the postscript to Thiers' despatch—first, because it referred to a stu joined note, which is not yet published ; and secondly because, while it threw out something which looked like menace, it added nothing to the solid argument by which M. Thiers supports his case. That case appears to us completely defective in any just motive to hostilities—and M. Thiers himself must be sensible of this, as he winds up his pleading with the strongest protestations of the desire of France to preserve peace. We are willing to believe the sin cerity of that desire ; and M. Thiers gives no sufficient ground, in his postscript, to alter it. It was anticipated by all the English Journals, and was indeed inevitable, that Meheatet Ali's "conciliatory advances" could not possibly be received, inconsistent as they were with the terms and conditions definitively proposed to him. If France had intervened,or should in future intervene, in his favour, the case would be different ; but Mehemet was, in a manner, past grace, in his own person ; so far as regarded those conditions for accepting which his day had gone by, tar more those which had not even been offered to him in the first instance. It is impossible that this can be made a substantive ground of complaint ; it adds nothing to what was already known as the consequence of the treaty—unless the circumstance of Mehemet Ali's for mal deposition by the Porte. That is not irrevocable, as must also be perfectly well known ; it is rather a Turkish expedient in terrorem than anything else ; and would not, as we have already announced, be followed up, in case of submission. We cannot, therefore, regard M. 'fliers' postcript as more warlike than his letter ; and indeed we should be reduced to pity the responsible Minister of a great country, if he could find no better casus belli than the deposition of the Pacha by the Porte. Many things we . find in M. Thiers' de spatch, well or ill-founded—personal statements, added to what was known before of official policy-e-facts, inferences, and insinuations, which, at present, we pause not to analyse. It is a skilful state-paper ; but one thing we cannot find ;—and that is the casus belli. It is wholly inconceivable to us that the Minister, or the Chambers, could resort to, or justify, warlike met. sures, on any ground here put, forward. (From the Courier.) The Times objects against the despatch of M. Thiers that it does not " convey any one distinct and practical proposal to form matter whereon the Allied Cabinets may deliberate, or by the acceptance or rejection whereof the slightest approach, may be made to a solution of the problem of peace or war." W French a T r e h Government.ah The inferencebitually d i With his f s r p all the deference o u m s eci t tends, of course, to disparag e t h e mot i ves or to re fl ect onthesince with rityof whichthe to s c ch is 3suoecnnhsde of cannot a:lnne r so th stv objectionat comprehende‘e - r on n may substantially t i et htpeipresent emanate fsuoerneatevo avowedly oc r :c o v ateisd) eol th yn . a t a aThhvele opportunenessiuci journal, deisupaatti on pl w a i c t e h an iN d 'hi i c r h re i g t ula w r ou t l o d n l i i i a x ve up hee a n d m e a c n la i - - o fe f stl t y he ou p t a o st f , ration of the future course of that Government. It is in the nature of a manifesto, addressed to the people of England, counter to that in which Lord Palmerston appealed to Fran,le ; a catalogue raisonne of all said, done, and written to the date, and therefore not an ad vertising sheet of works in band or at press. It pre tends no more, and performs no less ; for, as the Times previously and justly remarks, " It further has the character of retrospection merely, professing to be a defence of the past conduct of France." In a document evidently prepared for prompt publicity, after the example of our own Foreign-office, it was no part of duty, w Ag l e i n i rti s ew t rae i l t rp w u. o n u an ld im ha it v y e been a departure from policy no less unwise than inconvenient, in the French Minister, to have volunteered a formula of terms, not for the calm consideration of the British Secretary in his Cabinet, but for the less deliberate discussion of the British nation in popular assemblies. But in the review and .estimation of bygones, it does not follow that indications may not be gleaned, or incidentally afforded, by which the grounds of former alienation more clearly developed and explained may pave the way for closer approximation to a better understanding prospectively, always providing that the eagerness of justification does not degenerate into the excesses of recrimination, and therefore the public question becomes absorbed and lost sight of in feelings of personal irritation and mere con tentions for personal triumphs. We warn Lord Pal merston,- now advertised by his Prese.as preparing for defence and rejoinder, that the surest prelude to war and the battle-field is the vain war of words. Even the Far-famed Protocols en the Belgian question, inter minable as they seemed, produced, and could only be e me c w o h u a n t tty u n i g n r atthee finally brought to an intelligible solution by the bom (lmoefntthoel b fullyar (From the Standard.) f , i n the hands of the ble T ss h in e g, Ar th r :t iii t ig h e present crisis of foreign politics, as proof of the Whig-Hadical part W e admit the fact that it is to the official ascendancy of the Whig-Radicals bGbruovneiern/emebuotasotsf tsho but we -Rod cats we owe the general unanimity, the Whig-Radicals are entitled to much praise on that account. Were a Conservative administration directing the affairs of the country in its present diffi cult circumstances, would the c ountry present the same unanimity —would the whi g -Radicals, in oppo sition, act the noble part that the Conservatives are now acting ? N o ; the history of the party tells how they would act—they would be, ne they have ever been, the allies, the adulators of the enemies of the honour and interest of England, their patriotism like their loyalty, is ever officials dependent upon the possession of place. Were they dismissed from office to morrow, they would be found the staunchest supporters of the measures of M. Tbiers, the m ost earnest apolo gists for his h ost il e demonstrations aga inst this coun try. Such they were in the cases of Robespierre, Ma dison, and Napoleon. Far different is the temper and spirit of the Conservative democracy, composed, as they are, of whatever is honest and patriotic and truly En g li s h i n the nat i o n• They care little, when their country is threatened, to whom they give support in its defence. Like the Republican Blake, they will fight for England, whoever may rule ; like the I Cavalier Windham, they will stand by the Crown upon any bush. A governmont that does its -duty by E,, g _ land can always count upon the hearty and unreserved co-operation of the Conservative democracy ; nay, this M °NEI MARKET and CITY NEWS. (WEDNESDAY EVENING.) CHRONICLE.—The patience .of the creditors of the late Mr. Hammersley must be great, and their con fidence in those who are managing the affairs of the de ceased equally so. The last surviving member of a firm who was supposed to have had many wealthy part ners is gone. His business as a banker is closed, and pa)ments suspended ; the insolvency of the house is tacitly admitted, and the funds are thrown into Chan cery ; while in the face of all these grave and ominous proceedings the creditors gaze calmly on the scene, and seem to consider every thing arranged to their satisfac tion. Sueh being the case, it is, perhaps, stepping a little out of our line to say anything which could tend in the most remote degree to disturb that position . of repose in which they seem s o muc h sa ti s fi e d to PY.-' But still we cannot avoid expressing snr- -their supiness, and should thinl EVEN 1N G Dill ON. SPIRIT of the PUBLIC -JOURNALS., 1-2 cep ~-~>~-~; ~ ,11#,•13 . • • • -.1 4 r EXTRAORDINARY EXPRESS FROM PA RIS. (From the Second Edition of The Sun o f last night.) NEWS FROM THE EAST. PARIS, TUESDAY.—This day's .Moniteur has the following : " The Government only received on Monday the 12th news from the East. These advices, which left Alexandria, Sept. 26, and was transmitted.hy telegraph to Paris, contain few details., The Viceroy has re plied with much moderation to the act of deposition; but he was preparing to oppose an energetic re sistance. it was presumed that Ibrahim Pasha had attacked the disembarked • troops. The result of his operations was not yet known. It was only known That the Lebanon had remained tranquil. The news that Admiral .Lalande had received orders, to proceed to Toulon, as also that M. Cochelet, French Consul at Alexandria, has been appointed Commander of the Legion of Honour, are published in the Moniteur. • The Univers .asserts that the Government had re ceived news of the bombardment and taking of St. Jean d'Acre. The same paper asserts that M. Renard, of the Brillante, for his good conduct in the dispute with Na . pier at,Beyrout, is named Capitaine de Vaisseau. Constantinople letters of the 20th, in the Augsburgh Gazette of the 9th, persist in stating that the Napier fleet was shortly expected, together with the,sth corps of the army, to be established near Alexandria. The Augsburgh Gazette denies that these rumours have' any foUndation. Tuesday's organs of ,M. Thiers continue to menace the Deputies with a dissolution. ThDebats, in energetic terms, protests against the system of intimidation resorted to by the Ministerial Papers,. . Dr. Comeau, the physician .of Prince Louis Napo leon, has been allowed to share his captivity at Ham. The Propagandist excitement in Paris is still kept up. " Several journals," says Tuesday's Moniteui, " speak of very serious disturbances at Lyons. They are badly informed. A telegraphic despatch of Monday even • ing, contradicts the alarming rumour." The Lyons i papers; of the 12th describe the affair more seriously. Nevi)! 100 arrests bad been made, and the cavalry had been Weed to charge the mob. Several German and Italian workmen had been sent out of the country. The Toulon Sentinelle de la Maine states that orders had been sent for the arma ment 'of all the strong places in Corsica and on the • coast. The MoniteurAlgerein of the sth is filled with Mar shal Vallee's decrees substituting French for native au thority. The King of Hanpver has prohibited the export of horses to France. Madrid papers and correspondence of the 4th state that, prior to Espartero's departure for Valencia, he .baol ordered several battalions to leave the capital. The Eco calls upon the citizens not to lay down their arms till the nomination of the co-Regents and the convocation of the Chambers. • Barcelona papers continue to be very violent in their revoltftionary language. REGISTRATION. The,Learned Revising Barristers =resumed their sit tings yesterday atthe London Coffee-house, Lud gate-hill. (Before Mr. COVENTRY.) PERPETUAL 'AND STIPENDIARY CURATES. Mr. COVENTRY, on entering the Court 'yesterday, delivered judgment in the cases of the Rev. Messrs. Fell, Hambleton, Hazelgrave, M'Kenzie, Venn, Wilson, Burgess, M'Niven, and Howard, reser,ved from the Islington and Chelsea lists. The Leart;ed Gentleman said, I bavo taken an opportunity of looking into the Church Building Acts, from the 58th Geo. 111., cap.. 45, to - the 3d and 4th Victoria, cap. 60, of the last Ses sion (eleven in number) ; but before I go into them, it may be necessary to say a word or two respecting - the state of things prior to the passing of those Acts. As to a Teeter, we know that he, is entitled to the parson. age house, glebe, and great 'tithes, and that he has the freehold of the Church ; for each and all of these he is entitled to' be placed on, the county register. Where the great, tithes are impropriate, that is, in the hands of lay owners, there is usually a vicarage endowed, the incumbent of which has the glebe and small' tithes ; for these he is entitled to a county vote. At this point it may be observed, that the pews in the church are annexed to the houses of the inhabitants and yield no profit to the Rector or Vicar, who are considered as amply paid by the glebe and tithes. With respect to a curate, lie is employed by the rector or vicar at a stipulated salary, and is removable at plea sure; ' ha bas - neither a freehold -in his appointmenti, nor a n n o be 4 e a c trt j a a a s ris a in Ctou trP t ta x l f a re tl e d h ; ol l ( l l%. - thfaf t or i t, paristee the great"-tithe:areimPrcipriate: and there it no vicarage; in 'which case the <las impropriator is bound to appoint AL eurate, and the..,Bisimp assigns him a stipend out of the tithes. This curate is not remov able at the pleasure of the impropriator, and is therefore called " perpetual," in• contradistinction to an ordinary curate, whose appointment is merely temporary. A perpetual curate, then, having a benefice for life, with a salary out of the 'tithes, I hold . to be entitled to a county vote, We now -eomo to the Church-building Acts, which introduce an incumbent in many respects different from those before de'scribed, and he is called a stipendiary curate: Stich are the' present'claimants, and they are declared by the above Acts to.be severally. sole corporations,, and to . have all the characters, privi leges, and authorities of rectors and vicars but instead of having ,any glebe.or tithes,; they are paid a fixed salary, out of the, pew-rents _ of. their, respective churches; and the only question is, whether the'se pew-rents are to • be considered profits arising from., land.? To answer . this question satisfactorily, it may, be necessary. !-o,Aake a short review of the Church Building Acts. By the two first of them, the Com missioners are empowered to divide large and populous parishes, into districts, and after having built, or assisted in building, one or more churches in each district (the nomination to which is in the incumbent of the 4 origi- • nal parish), to appropriate the glebe tithes, and other ecelesistical benefices, such way as, they shall think proper, and the incumbent in each district is then to become the rector or vicar thereof, in the same way: as the original incumbent was of the original church. This appears to be the case of the Rey. H.. Burgess, whose claim to a vote ,is, I think, clearly r admissible. The Commissioners are further empowered to assist subscribers in any parish to erect churches a nd, chapels, the site whereof is to 'be conveyed . to them, and the nomination of the incumbent is to be in, the rector of the mother church. Sub scrihers of 1001. each are: to have pews for life or for a term of years, dischorgedof pew rent ; but the remain der of: the pews are to be let by the ' chapel wardens (appointed as in the Acts mentioned) according to certain Axed tables ; these officers are em-' powered to recove!:, the'rents by action at laW, but no renter of a pew is to continue the,sanie beyond twelYe • 'months • after he'shall have left th'e 'perish. From the gross amount of rents thus received, the'cliapelwardena are to pay the stipend of the minister, fixed by the 'Bi shop ; also the salary of the clerk (who is appointed annually by the incurribeni), and 'all other expenses.' The surplui, if any, is to be accumulated in the hands of the trustees for the purpose of purchasing a bulling or residence for the Minister ; but it' is' expressly pro vided that tbe Parish - shall not be - liable 'to make good any deficiency "in 'the peW-rents, so 'that* if they fall shert of the stipend fixed they belong wholly to the clergyman. By another Act the Commissioners are empowered to assist individuals in the' erection of chapels in populous places, :provided such 'individuals will sub scribe a .certain portion of the expense,' find deposit 1,0001. in theßank of England by way of endowment for the Officiatinkininiite'r, Whoie appointment is terest With this itiAividual subscriber, or with Such trustees as 'ho shall name id the Sentence of consicratien. This minister is also to be paid a stipulated salary out of the 'pew' rents the same as the others. By -the !fat' Act; S'and" 4' Victoria, Cap: 60, large - powers are givertle charit able Persofis 'to "endow these - stipendary curacies with monies, lands, o r tenements, not exceeding the annual value of - 800/:,` without - any license in mortmain. Hence we find a new beneficed clergyman intro.' duced,' called stipendiary curate, whose appoiht, ment is for life, and who is created a sole corpo ration by 'Act bf Payllameht.' His eninlitm'ent is derived from a source unknown to the common law, namely, the letting of pews in his church annually, and the only question is whether this is a mere personal salary or a profit derivable froni land. The distinction between real and personal 'estate is broad and well-defined.' From the earliest periods 'the 'owner• of - personal -estate • has been denied a voice in Parliamentary elections,. and -no grievance cantle made of this, as areal qualification can be so easily purchased. - The income' derivable from an endowment in the funds must therefore be dismissed, but 'an income from real estate is not to lose its cha racter frchn being •blended with that which is-purely personal: Fees payable for the performance of the mar riage ceremony, or that of baptism, or burial, are purely personal; and a sum paid for opening a tomb is not an annual inecitne. -. • All, then, rests on the pew-rents. Now it has been held that a pew is an easement, affording no right to vote ; how, then, it is asked, can the'rent of such-an easement confer a greater right than ; the thing itself? ' To this it may be answered that the. owner of land may -grant an easemeot—of land for a, term at a stipulated rent, and though the easement, itself-'may con f er no r i g h t, t h e r e nt would gi ve ` the e:wner of the land a vote ; moreover, that this doctrine of an easement is- applicable to the common law only, and not to a state of things newly introduced by statute. The owner of an acre ot land adjoining a -fair`may parcel it out into natiaerous sheep pertepancl.foor times a year receive a considerahh t paysaent,from cattle. salesmen. Twenty. owne.ss—tlf ia piece of ground may erect a building upon it, and by !citing out the interior-in - small parcels derive enough annual profit to qualify the whole number. The most inconceivable portion of land is sufficient to give a county vote, if the annual value of it be equal to the fran chise. I pay ten - guineas a year for my pew in Saint ' Pancras ; .Church, . which is supported by a, single pillar, yet . that is sufficient to confer on the freeholder of the ironed upon which that pillar stands, a county qualification. I-think a pew rent, like any other lent, must be considered a profit derivable from land ; for the pew stands upon, or is supported by a given space of earth, which is used for no other pur pose, and yields no other profit than the pew rent. The only thing that remains to be done is to connect the pew rent with a freehold estate in the land from which it issues. This, in the present case, can only be effected in a circuitous manner. The freehold of the church or , cbapel,. is , in . , the Commissioners, and the right to receive and recover the pew rent in the church or chapelwardens. The rent itsellis undoubtedly enhanced by the popularity of the minister, but ,it must .be, considered the profit of the land;. and not as fees for preaching the sermon. - In this Court, upon the best' construction' we can give the Reform Act', we admit trustees in actual possession and reject the cestuique trust who is out of possession ; but if the cestuique trust is entitled to the rents in another character, as in virtue of some office or benefice, then I helahin i i admissible-as such, upon its being proved that he is in for life, and that .he derives, either 'legally br equitably, forty shillings a year from a freehold estate. That is the present case, and without pursuing the sub ject further I think -the whole of these claims ought to be admitted.—Names retained aeccirdinglY.' • - Mr. Coppock would not then -attempt to question the decision, just given by: the Learned Barrister,_ but, with great respect, he would ask upon what principle were dissenting clergymen excluded ? Mr. CoVENTRY—I hold they have no , office within. the meaning of the Reform Act. Mr. Coppock—But, Sir, dissenting - clergy`man ceive pew rents. Mr. CovErrrav ! —You can only admit them as ces tuique trusts. Mr. Coppock—You only admit these - clergymen, Sir, as cestuique trusts, because you say the legal estate is in the Commissioners, and the receipt of the rent in the churchwardens. , Mr. COVENTRY—No, I say they are officers within the meaning of the Act. Mr. Burgess receives no less than 6001. a year. Mr. Coppock observed that the case of Mr. 'Burgess was very different from the others, as that gentleman's might be considered, a separate district church, but he ought to apologise for making.any observations after judgment had beenpronounced. Mr. COVENTRY' said 'no apelOgy whatever was neces sary, for he was always happy to hear any observations Mr. Coppock had to make. Mr. Coppock would next year object to them on stronger ground Mr. COVENTRY then revised the lists for the parishes of St. George . in the East, Christchurch, Mile•end New Town, and St. John, Wapping. (Before Mr. SHADWELL.) ' The Overseers.of Norton Folgate appeared, and said they had .neither claim nor objection to hand in. the list was therefore passed.' - . 111I.E.END, OLD TOWN. The Overseers of. this parish had objected to 14 names on the list, or the ground of removal all of which were allowed - . Several objections were Made' by third parties, but no point of interest ocetirred, ~~ THE FLEET . D ITC-Hs ° Oa Tuesday a meeting of the City Commissiocers'of Sewers took place at the Guildhall, for' the purpose of • taking' ° Cori side ratioa Mr.. Walke es4pl an of a vert at the mouth of Fleet Ditch, adjacent, to Black friars-bridge, as a- remedy for the very great nuisance occasioned by the want of some scientific application. Alderman and Sheriff Gibbs in the Chair. . A deputation from .Bridenell and. Bethlem Hospitals attended the Board of Commissioners, consisting of Mr. Price, the Treasuier of the Hospital*', Mr-. Laurie, and others; in favour 'of the improvement..undertaken, upon the. advice of Mr, Walker i the President of , the Society, of . Engineers. The 'following itePorevias, on the preceding day, laid before 'the 'Governors of the Hospitals, and. determined that body to advocate, as forcibly as ppssiblo, the plan, a model of which was exhibited " 12,1tegent-street, Oct. 12, 1840. " Gentemen,—Having perused, according to your request, the printed proceedings relative to the Fleet Ditch Sewer ; having examined the works recently executed at the mouth thereof, and having given the subject an attentive considreation, I beg leave to report, to you the following few observations :•-• • " The subject has been so deliberately and fully en-; tared into, and the facts bearing upon it. have been so ably stated. by 'Mr. Walker on the one side, and Mr.. Kelsey on the other, _that I cannot hope to throw any, now light upon the matter, although the leaning of my judgment is rither opposecrio Mr. Kelsey's views. I cannot but express how highly I estimate the wane of his reports. on this, subject, and I trust it may not be . unbecoming in me to add, that the Commissioners of Sewers of the City of London are; I think, much in debted to him for the zealous . regard he has , shown for their interests. " Owing, doubtless, to an imperfect apprehension of the nature of the proposed improvement,. some needless objections have been raised. The flaps above the cul vert are not tide-flaps—therefore, there is as free ingress for the river water' on its rise, and as free egress fur it on it 4 ebb, as at , any former-.period ; and the ,same would be equally ; true if the whole of the improvemen t ts proposed by Mr. Walker were carried out. So also there is ce► tainly nothing in what has' been•done,.'nor in what is proposed to be done ; that would prevent an examination of the interior of the sewers in a punt, as heretofore. . The hilly objections that appear to me to have any weight whatever are two :—the one is, that the culvert may be impeded by bulky subsitances stopping the way ; the other is, that there may be an accumulation of foul and inflammable air pent-up within the,tewer. • • " On.the first,. I would remark, that,. even granting the possibility of the whole culvert heing completely and solidly stopped up, still the sewerage 'would go on just as freely :as heretafore,• over the .top of the. oulvert. But my conviction is, that. the force of,the current, when confined within the limits of the culveri, would be fully adeqaate to remove every impedirhent. One of the foremen of, the works informs me, that he has, seen stones .of one.hundred weight . carried along by the current of the sewer. You are aware that about two years 'ago I received the authority of the Governor of Bridewell Hospital, to pla'de a large heavy iron..tide-valve at the mouth of the .sewer which drains a part of the Bride well precinct ; the evils predicted as likely to arise from this measure haVe never been realized ; and, al though the ordinary current is of course extremely feeble compared with that of the Fleet Ditch. sewer, it has always been sufficient to prevent any accunful'a , , tion or stoppage. • « With regard to the 'second objection, I think it certainly merits great attention. There is no doubt . but that if the mouth of the sewer be closed, as pro- H posed, and its other extremities also shut up by stench traps, there will arise from various sources a body of foul and inflammable air which will be confined with in the sewer, totally incapable of being breathed, and liable, to cause explosion on being set light to. I admit that this bad air would be always in some degree diluted at low water by a portion of the culvert being open for the passage of fresh air, and the flips them selves would at their interstices be permeable to the outer air ; still, however, it is, I think, almost certain, that the atmosphere within the sewer would generally be quite unfit for respiration. " The only eligible remedy that suggests itself for.this evil, is to establish a rule that no person should descend into the sewer without previously purifying the air by setting open all the, flaps, a complete and effective provision for doing which ought certainly to forrn'a part of the plan, and no doubt does so, although I see no indication of it on the model. " When such a provision is made, I can co nce i ve no J valid o a bjection whatever to full and fair trial being given to Mr. Walker's proposed plan. Should these fl a p s . prove liable to objections too serious. to be sur mounted, they can but be abandoned ; but should they Trove otherwise, I think that every individual Concerned s will feel gratified in having contributed towards correct.. ing a most pernicious public nuisance. I am, Gentlemen, your most obedient servant, " SYDNEY SMIRKIL " To Sir Peter Laurie, President, and Ralph Price, Esq., Treasurer, &c." After some discussion in the Committee, the Com . missioners of Sewers a'greed to the 'adoption of . Mr. Walker's•plan of the culvert; by . a majority of about 15 to 3. The apprehensions so generally entertained of the opposition of the Commissioners of Sewers to the enlightened project of the President 'of the Civil Engi neers, are thus very agreeably and permanently removed. The ; Bride of Messina is withdrawn by Madame Vestris tor the present, in ConsequenCe of the indisposition of Miss Ellen Tree. In the storm of Monday night (28th ult.), th., James Louis, of Newry, a find new vessel of 200 tons burden, wai driven on share on the Point of Sdllachan, in Ardgour. At daylight on Tuesday morning she was discovered to be aground by some men of the neighbour hood going to their work. They' immidixtelY went to her, and finding that she had been abandoned by-her ere", and no trace of them to be seen, they took possession, and sent to inform the nearest Magistrate . On his going en board there were nine or ten on the deck '•• and upon ex amining them and the vessel, he found, to his great satis faction, that not an article either on deck or below bad beep meddled with; even a plate of, biscuit and.a bottle of brandy, with a glass half, full, standing on the cabin table, were`untouched, just as left 'by the crew. These men, wba'are the farm servants, of Sallachan and Cuil, were in the sole posseasion of the vessel from daylight in the morn ing-nntil four in the afternoon, with every part'of the yes- 1 'nettitien to them,.and not the value. of a ..ropet's •endwas touched..—Edinburgh paper. " trIC YE N . G- COWES-ISLE OF `NIGHT. J . - (FROM OUR OWN —mr C - OTREIPOND UNT.) - OCT. 14:—The weather continue s beautifully fine and we have still numerous visitors ; many of them baits taken houses for the winter, preferring this southern part of England- to the Continent, under.present e rn part that part being likely to -be too hot for them this winter ; another . great induCement is-the very I ° lll rate of houses here, not one-fourth 'of what was.. charged in the season, and we thin k the lode inghouse keepers will benefit by the alteration they have made-i!? ! ~ the prices. • , . The Earl of Yarborough arrived from the vrestward; and has sailed on a cruise to the eastward. Prir;-: • i The British Queen is hourly expected. The ,cess Victoria, steamer, is engaged t o look out for mar liOr and is now lying off the Brambles Co ,take out the • and p a ssengers to convey them to the Southampton . . Railway. It. is expected the thick fog s may have e-, tamed the Queen. Wind N., and very light. . : CORN AVERA GE6 -...-- GENERAL AVERAGE PRICES. OF BRITISH COart 0 For:the Week ended Oct. 2,184 p, made up from the lietu p 4 4 _ the Inspectors in the different Cities and 'Towns in Englaria . .1 • Wales, per Imperial Quarter.4s. g i " Wheat 64s. Od. I Oats Barlzy 365. ,d. I Rye AVERAGES OF TIER LAST SIX 'WEEKS. to o,' .. ' Week ending : WHEAT. BARLEY. OATS. " RYE. i BEANS. 12..........,,, Sept. 4 5 63 11 34 8 30 6 34 6, 47 S-_,' it / . . 11 Ig 35 S ''2s 10 38 8 4 , 45 6 '''' I . 45 25 6 l. 1 36 2 - .4 10 37 714 5 -',., a .fr'• . • , 'Oct. '2 9 - '''..... ; WE"' IMPERIAL AGGREGATE AVERAGES OF THE SI. . Vd Wheat......... fsi. 2,1. I Oats ......... `..6 , - sd. I Beans ........ 40 ' 0, Barley, "53 10-1.1 Rye DUTIES ON FOREIGN C 08.14. '. Wheat......... 21s. Bd. Oats 375. 9d. 1 Pease .. ......• 7; 9d. I Beans ... ..... ... od • , , 1 Barley.... ... . . 9s. 4d., Rye , •' ,_ VIE MARKETS ARKET. ,t.st market..day, '45. It °. Wells End,Lanabton ..... 23 X... LWidls End Lyons ....... . . ~2 4 Walls End'SreWirt'S ......... 2 3 5 'Walls Whitwell ......... 24 0 I Walls:End Hartlepool... - ' • . 23 9 . Walls End Kelloe: • Tennant's Hartlepool ......•" 4 11, 'Walls End Broicn's W..11s End Aelel,-.ide .......... tat,o Via% End Evenwood ...... P W3ll4End Gordon ............ Walla End Seymour Tees; . 0 . 1 • Walls End South Durban' "i3:11 Walls End Tees. .............. 16; Q Walls End Tees •Tanfield•• 0. 4 Hartley -„.. ........... 1 0 •0 IHoward's .......... MalP.• 10'0 Walls F.nd Elgin .............••• Deanery !4,4.,: 4, ,~ COAL Ships arrived since Adair's Blaydon: Mani 1 7 01 liolywell Ma n 9 3' Ord's liedhugh Pontop Windsor l7 6 Tan fied Moor Butes l7 0 Townley .. ..... IS b. ft/yla.o ........ .... ... Walls End Bowie e andC 22 9 Walls End dosforth Walls P.'nd Hoaton .. .2 9 Walls End Hotspur Walls End Killingworth ,2 6, Walls End Newmarch Walls End Riddell's 2. 6 Cragg Head Steam ' l7 • 0 W. E. Braddyll'sHettou 24 0 Wallti End Haswe11. Walls End Hetton ...... 24 -6 res. 7! s t 646 39 :t r. 43 411 1 ~ COUNTRY CORN AIARKETS. ..:,------"---- Wheat. f Barley. , Oats. Beans. . -----,----- ---- ...:............77. ...° Per Quartet. s. to s. s. to a. AL - to s. s. to , A a• Boston Braintree 64 '72 32 8 3 NI 34 VI 40 BiightOn • 65. 72 31 37 20 31. 42 60 Cambridge — 62 36 23 41 Chichester 65 72 34 30 26' • 28 • "'42 44 Dunmow 56 70 36 '4O 21 34 38 44 Grantham - 44 H Gr a i i r m s , b a Y . .3 39 2 ;22 2 2 4. 42 , 44 46 Hitchin 36 64 32 42 24 32 24 1., 1 Ipsivich ...... 4 4 6 Lewsst Lynn , 5 6 8 4, 6 6 i 4. 36 — 3 26 9 2 2 8 1 2 2 4 8 .1 1 2 4 . Maidstone '69 76 36 39 26 32 40 b; 3 Norwich 49 Petworth • Romforsl 46 72 34 '3!23- 32 34 4 t Sandwich ,56 56 77 34 43 27 34 33 4' Tnettord .... .. Wisbech Witham 161 71. , 32 , at , „25 .::32 , ' 40- , Yarmouth.... Q 2 70 33 35 28 32 38 • -- ' -'‘ , LIVERPOOL CORN Al kft.MICT.-;•Oct. 14 WHEAT, English, White, per 70113: ea. • - S '• 61 1 —.----- Red --- Scotch, Welch,and it . lanx ' . ".‘4 1 1 ' —; l4 . Irish; White - 1. • 7- 3 -6 Red . 6 Foreign - , , , , , - , Ai.- ',' 3 O ATS , English, Welsh, and Scotch, per 451 b.......... 3 , Irish ... ••• 0 6 Forel irn 42 44 46 -- 2$ 31 35 40 .3 ', • ,0 .94 • 4 4 6 . 3 , 42 4 ••••• 40 b 0 0 44 4e .0 („. 46 43 44 „. 63 .44 4u 40 . 33 45 5 .. . 5 , 41 Al 4A , 44 45- 4 6 140 41 3949 40 r 6. • •. . 0 ) Ss tto 1 0 • ..... 0 , . .6 .. : 1--s• • " • 6 3 f • .:tt: 67- 11 . 3 3 '3..6 ..... 1 0 0 0 d 39 :1- Foreign - ISAIILEY, English..blatting, per Imp, quarter. . . ..... .....1 le : • -- Scotch and Ins , h, per 0011)s. ...... ......-r!i 3- g 5 9 0 ..---. Feeding . « • , BEANS, English, per Imperial•quarter.......... , « .... 7 „ : 1 8 , 1: 41; 1 --- Irish, &c. ........A.5....«.....: ........ ....,.....1.• - A 44 w 45 4 ? Foreign _ «•,.. .... ... ~.••• • Y .... .. 44 , 6 . . 6 ~,,,,, PEASE, English, per Imperial parte!. ~ y-1. 4 .,,, 0 4 6 / •f; , l 4 . 1 ,--- Foreign . ' ' . ;56 • 0 ' 1,0. i. 0.. • Fuoutt, , Engliih, pev2Bolb.. ( e.d.. ' 1..:, ............... ..38 , 0. . ... 6 -- Irish OATMEAL, English and Irish,,per 2,401h5... « .«.,,i .. i„ i 6 • 1„ d INDIAN Coax, per 48014. ... ................. . ...... e ; 0 ~ RYE. per Imperial quarter - ' ' - '• • ' , 43 0 ,1 / White MALT, per Imperial quarter . , ~., . D''' 60. H (p U er L i2 L ua C r O te ß o 'N MARKET. .... 70s.' .., , - .. .. 464 . - " C4O. Red 46,. 60s, .28,. . , Foreign - - . - - --''' 345. 5 i% :66.4 ''''' Malting - - -60 s, . ..... 26.9: .. , 6;. , - Grinding, -- lo or. A ......... ..., . il,, . , - Oats, British ...... .-.-•*- c .,,. efla ~., • . • . r 25 ......',•-..., '• Foreign (in bond) .«. "......." ...... ...... '4O; 425. 4, ~, Beans . 365. 38- 5 . 4°3. . Pease, Grey .. • Blue and White ,404. 7.,.. 445•- 481. . . , •• 425. 4 , 11 0 ', ' i Linseed _, 2 s , 445.?,„7 . *1 . Flour (per sack) ...... , -1. t'ldi• ' Rapeieed (per 10 quarters) Pet lb. ' 6 ,,i • Wheat ................«. '7 3 901 8eef...." ...... ~.. ........ «. 6 1 Per Bushel.CHElL.d.r.roSsii.dA.lM MARKETb. - a • l6 i' ' ' • ' 6arley • 4 4 5 0 Mutton -.. .. : ............... 7 Oats 4'6 :5 0 Veal 1.:..:..'..,........ ...... `i ; Beans . 5 0 6 6 York .••••••••••••••• • ...... ". / ; Pease 6 0 t 3 . ,Lamb , . Hay 41.108.• tdst. - 53:01•Der•toa... .s'.. C'Xl4TEitudivi• 114 A R K gr. - J.. ' ' ~t' • Wheat, white...—. 70s. to :55 .....,• 01d.....,..,:., 103, to l : ~ red-................... 70s. to 7 2x:....;• 01d....,..,..._ 695. to ',• ;,.., Barley, Dia ll ing ....... 375. to 425. .....«. Grinding,. —V. 10 . 40 ."`: Oats , - , -,,,. . _ .... 335. to 365. ,-,..., Olst.„ ;--s• t° ;,:..s, Beans .;...........—......... 44s td4/s. ... '.;:., 01ii..... « , 133. t ° 4 l, 0, , Pease .—......—....... 425. to —s,' ...... Grey......... , 10S. to, ~.... f • ~, CHELMSFORD MARKET. . s6't ° lll '69Ad 72 _Oats...:. ... ........... ... .. , 4P , it 59 fsh Pease, Gray-, ..... ....."'"'46 0 Barley .. Cheralier '39 41 Beans,' Tick ............... ;. l' Grinding .30 ‘B4 - Mazagan ....,..••' Wheat, Barley, Wheat, White - ' Red :.• Lir - ,e-• The Liverpool Theatre is in the inarkel ' ' - th l o e l tenant. The late manager , has retired from it in„i r i , satisfactory 'proofs in his , pocket, that however 07, 0e ioit . f 'a're at a' discount , ..at 'Liverpool they are as P r • P '' ' " Al s ever. - ivre Pram T.. J.. Petti g rew, 1V1.D.;,.F.it.5., to,r ; :tit ' S. and, B.; 'Solomons,. 39, Albemarl&•street, • - r w ' e filianr. i t , ( opposite the York Hotel), . and 76, King ! le t e s ' t street, Bank of ' Englands•—,"-Gentlernen,'--- h ave ; , fl` . hesitation in 'replying- to yam' inquiry 39 results obtained by the use of your irnpfovedJl• ieti being in the conitint'babit read" in ° . writing for . many hours together by lemP-lig ht 'u i les , jhuasvt have c e a it afforded r - s d a e y d ; - m t h e i t t i; ji e 9 g ti r r ei n t e e w st ly co i m n . v fo e i n t t . e4 N a v P h e e e n t T ed 101 ; " the ordinary pebbles, I never failed to experience 1 0 11 00 morning a great irritation in the. eyes. Since I 111 . 1 ‘ f n ee' 01 • your admirable glasses I suffer from no inconver i i ,4,40, • the kind, and'my vision is Much- improved. I 51 '1 1 0' 4,f feel grateful to my good friend, Dr. Blundell, for, 0 10, drawn my attention to the 'sublect...._Belier3 elle,1:06 your's, very respectfully, T. J. , Pettigrew, 8, Say. y 0 is Opera g , i/ fe 04 Jan. 4, 1839.',', The Messrs. Bolomons'.. o : Conductor, by which thousands of deaf persons 7%; se_. greatly benefited, is the size of a seven -shilling Ple'44:oo'' when fixed into the cavity of the ear, is soft, easiP i e o 4 more uncomfortable nor perceptible than having !tl i bl i o .lir woolin..its, place,:.and the faintest . vviiisPer assembly is Ilea d 'th d' ' at a., i t ! wet , . r .wi istinctoess.,- and. 76, King , William-street, Bank.__,No r ; o0 0.4 •.. 39, Albinta r li e ; w:, persons of , the same name. -‘ ' 001 : 0 01 11 °' - ' ' • d LADIES' GOLD WA'rCHES,t',gbt s' I. lo °- Guineas Each, Th ese Watches are' Lan?'On- m a ` 15 61 .1°14 • vertical movements; . jewelled; 'flie havr, Lon?' eg ine-- -r° . is w sr cases, and ornamental gold ' dials. Y Tile pcerfortesse" ranted. Price Eight Bx Guineas and ß ss al f .O A I ;pr and SON S's s on den • Goldsmithiarid . WaCchmakers, 7..4. 0 , o, Cornhill,s, • site the Bank. o f England)• rab S ui P ty ? e o gu N al S in , a F p O pe ß ara K :a S e , : for air Dessert, lOs. ; Tea Sr.,„Table -- q obl i l r, s , ss. ,per d o zen; . , meta l o be to 8 inches high, 7s • • tier pair ; the partic ular p. onlf o fe' &c., ratle these articles are my - A *.- 0 is so like silver, thxt it Pa i , 0 a,... from it by the stamp, • F -. made in silvxr ~ • ~ ___i RIPPON awl tured in this matetii sb eyery article , . • tre e, Who, to prever t it 'i m • • ' - of it to vr. _ ago position, confine the sale . Catalogues of prices gratit• . supserpiooornst_ oorSieociltrwestigi:i; BU ETON, Wells street, Ox to :BIRTES. tlau IV On t:ne EIV a inst. - , at Brizton-hill, Mrs. Fraser, c'rpoter,tt, ; On the 9.th init,,,,a,t grwnpull.House,,nearMa° - e . fri o '. hut t of E. 'Wanklyri, Es ti:, Of a still-born child.,,,itsie, .16 . e ..1 u the 13th inst., Mrs. ,I),avison, of Camden Li u ' ' ' ' r g Y r , ham, Key.it, of a daughter. , Sri' On the 13th inst:, at Kingston-upon-Thanles' , tolkit of a daughter. , rod, ~.• On the 13th i ns t., M rs . Laroche, of Albio"" Newington, of a daughter, still-born "MAR R lED. tall, Vscl• ' I A geon, Great Dover-street, Bortiuoh t• On the 10th inst., at Wollaston, Charles St"' /° of i daughter of the late Mr. John Sind ' erg; f s t ollas' o f Ed° r thampton shire. th, d ° On the I3th inst., at St. Saviour's Church, 134 l ora , efi g tO Al a iS te 6 ' Driver, of Richmond-terrac , e, London, Esq• Beaufort-rest, Bath , only surviving child Of the • ost o r Mead, Esq. ..ef Keppell-street, London. " . Queen -6 1e: On the 13th inst., at Si. George-the.3lartyr, - to Ci" A O M. G. Wigham, Esq.., of Great Orniond.street•odijoiog 0 • youngest daughter of ;she late J. Smith, Escl' .,°f ° Wilgill Brixton. ..., .•.r. - . .., • • „,, f ; 0 0 the '''' CO Oh On the 13th inst., at Cheltenham' g 11) 4, t ° Nor Knollvs , , youngest son of the late General " C. A. Augusta, second daae:ter of the late Rev. , t to fartha, ..,,,,, na . s tref ' Rector of Alverstoke; •rlants. • • I N 1 It A • late o f N e w 13°- ' * On the 13th first. On the . 14tb. inst., at St. . Giles's . . ,„ . ~ ~,. _ , c obe .i e t t Miss Wilson ' • , r. R. rtis ,, . o fe Zacha - Chtt i, rohi , -10 Ill if ie % 1.. ,J 1 Naski, Esq ,- B. A , of Langley . - " u f Call'b er daugn‘...et of Joseph Hanson, Esq., of the Gr°°"' ' ' Digri. ' ' ' rha rlei K ' "'' On the 3d inst., at North Cheam, Sur reys Esq., aged 71. d 79' gam' Onthe sth inst., at Paris, Mrs. Dumas , a g e t 1 1 '• On tho 10th inst. at at Wo burn Bedfordshire, A-r" of the Common Pleas'-o ffi ce, ag ed rn 62: . lialit eb , s b le it l : Frances, relict Middlesex. ' •- r ? ' ' crag _llth in. J. s w t,.,, h 4t h, S ri t a a h m t fe E rd s - g h i . ll l , ate ur o l r !pa nfor' ceo , On the 11th inst. at Fraficis-terrsce, Kent i d a the - wife of Mr. H. Hutchinson, at aged. 5'7- ‘v . 0 4 ' a th - 1 On the 12th inst . P -‘ ~ at Prospect -oidice , I O r ' Cousre „r, Esq., aged 77. - .„ife 0 r , On the 12th inst ,at Gree - n • Kent, Jan e ' - . 0 wich, 0014 , Hodgson, aged 62. . ' .' '' ' J. 0. On the 14th Jar, • f Mr. inst., the wife o , ... „ Las ed' Red I.: ion-street,-Nolbe rn • aged 78. ' J a ne /9. On the 14th inst., at . Rye 'terrace, Peckham, i ff ea the wife of David 81 ' E f Bucklersburl, --'' .enkarne, sq.,* sh-town, , No. 112. Shan 6,40 Pg Lund°, p • 2 Y , 0 j . fluted' and Published by IV.II/111)0 sol os , the' county October lit at The Office , No• 1640* 4 Ye