The Sun. — London, England, 1847-06-05 00:00:00

'Ewa.. AI ; four, inners Old 5 a, • and ainute sure ).orf sby. MAGAZINES-(CONTINUED). Fi:ASEd. Frase r this month op-ms with an elaborate review of the recently published work of the Chevalier Bunsen on Egypt. The review, like the work and the subject, is somewhat heavy. We have then a " Chronicle of Kenilworth Castle, its Heroes and its Heroines." It is needless to add that this is a most interesting paper—that man must be ingeniously dull who could on such a subject write a stupid one. A sequel to the Boar- built in Briitany follows, under the title of " Love Passages in tie lite of Perron the Breton ;" and then we have a vigorous sketch of Perico, the Alexiean Vagabond." Sam Slick gives la a capital Yankee paper, " Judge Beier'. Ghost." The following is the history of the meeting of Stephen Richardson, the hero of the tale, with the ghost of Judge Beler This hapi ened twenty-five years ago next March, and at that ti,ut, it was still little more than a hridle• path, and the tries lapped 'cross it in places. Now in that hollow two large hemlocks had got canted well over on one side. windfalls like, and were catched by two l argespruces on the other ; so there was just room to Stoup law dawn on the saddle, and squ,.rze under, and M uch as ever, too—almost a scrape. Having rid that Way in the morning, I knew the track, kept to the left, bent forward on the neck of the horse, and went through. Just as I cleverly cleared it, old Beier sprung right on the crupper, seized me round the waist, and yelled just as he (lid when he gut out of the lake, first in one ear and then in the other. Oh, how the woods ru:ig His breath was so hot it most scalded rue, and the scream Cut me through the head like a knife ; and then he clasp e d me so tight round the body he near about bquerz±d the wind out of me. If I didn't sing out its a Pity. and the more I hollered the louder he shrieked. I Wulf' pretend for to go for to say that I warn% fright ened, because that wouldn't be :rue ; I was properly bkeered, that's a tact. I expected every minute to be cl awed off, and plunged int , i the lake. I didn't know what to do. Human strength I knew was of no avail against s upernatural beings, so I took to prayer. " ` Our Father —' says I. " The moment I said that he let go yelliu', and seized ale by the nape of the neck with bis teeth, and bit right through the grizzle. Oh, it was a powerful nip that ! the pain was enough to drive one mad, and I fairly roared like a bull, it hurt me so. " In the meantime the horse began to rear and plunge Most furiously ; tor the poor dumb anima knew as well as could be it had a (ghost-rider besides its lawful master to carry. At last it kicked so like old scratch it sent us both flying heels over h(:ad, the judge on one side and toe o n the other of it. I tortunat.-ly held on to the rein, and jumped up like wink n, and the horse stood head to biro, snorting and blowing like a porpise. I shall never forget that scene the longest day I ever live." A lbeit L Stephen is convinced of the existence of the ghost, there are divers sceptics, amongst others Yarson Rogers. In the following col;oquy Stephen °Y unanswerable arguments overcome; the parson, and sets for ever at rest the vexata quastio of the existence of posts : " Were you quite sober that night, Steve?' said he; You know loiks sometimes see double on St. Patrick's Cyr k " ' Seer says I. 'parson; I not only see him but felt "'el, too. Look here where he left the marks of his te eth on m e !' an d I s t r ipp e d an d s h owe d hi m t h e scars . 1)0 you believe now?' says I. “ ' I never heard that ghosts had teeth before, Steve,' Said he, most provokin' cool—' no, never.' " ' Did you ever see one?' says I; • so come, now, answer Inc that.' (6, ' I ' l (4' says he, 'I never saw one, and never expect to.' ~ `- 1 Ho have Vague can you tell, then,' says I, ' whe .aer they teeth or not? But I have seen um!, no Ye. wind ; and I can swear they have teeth— plaguy ;Liu') °ties, too—breath as hot as a tea-kettle, and claws " s j°ng and as s trong ai a bear.' 1 ,. Stephen,' said he,.'' my sun, I didn't think you -er e so easily frightened 'Frightened' says I, and I began to get cross with -- . fool ' 1 punter, as if I would go for to tell a lie, or be such a • us not to know what I was talking about—' Fri:Alt '. ...1., t to7sd.l;ei.--sr it?' said said I; ' it's more than ever you could do though you have been preachin' against the t .. b u eni and all his imps ever since I was born. But do 1 , °ll go to Bele r ' s Lake o n St. P a trick's ni g ht, and if the i'""ge is to home, and a talking and a stirring under ta ttl er, do yo u on d erva l ue hi m as I did, an d sa y you ain't :.` int o believi ng of bun, dead or alive, and if he don't frighten you n .11, :** --: eelieving what you hear, and believing what you . , and into knowing the difference between a bite and ki ss, * h.•then you are a braver man than I take you to --- - I th at s „ 11. . ' ii, , ~,,.' -•• 7 4 said h -1 a , 1 ,1, go with you the next 17th day of March,' . • ~ !, ,_,l - :Zhank you,' says I, ' I'd rather be excused.' L ! '" ii„ '', lIIALIT go with or without you, just as you please, ' ll ' W '',ue I - 7th of next March, if you will first go to Nick tLana, 04 '. St and see that Colonel Brown's crazy boy (the tu that roasted his brother) is well chained up. It's .( Shy °Pillion that that mischievous maniac broke loose, or wir w o P „., e d out that night, and attacked you; and the only 1 kii" is that, with his superhuman strength, he didn't •‘ St e Y e a- You had a great escape. But as for a ghost, .. '!------ -* ' tarson, says I, ' do you believe the Bible?' s' , A 'el t ' says he, ' I do.' 1 gho st - )l, then,' says I, ' believe in Judge Beler's 4 : and h ' I have seen him, and heard him, and felt him, - ti n , "aye the marks to prove it. You are Parson Rogers, . t You?' '.. ... -.7 s 1 e , - 4 4. , - i Well so you are• but how do I know it? Be . '4 II those I've seen you, heard you, and felt you. Well, I. ats the way I know the ghost. I, tell you I have heard, I ae ", and felt Judge Beler's ghost. The Earl of Ellesmere and Mr. Monckton Milnes .0' are the literary legislators who sit for their portraits .4 this month, and justice is done to each of them. Morgan Rattler furnishes a coarsely overdone puff of 4 the Covent•garden Opera speculation ; and the •* number winds up with an elaborate paper on colo :, • 'ligation, in which Lord Grey's plans are eulogised ;•:. ; Most highly, but not more highly than they deserve. .: I; S. 4 • THE FARMER'S MAGAZINE. 44. t h a w agree entirely with the Farmer's Magazine, ' l ' a deficient harvest or a recurrence of the potato 4 1 ll nirrain would be productive of consequences the ',• Zer,y supposition of which is appalling : and we do believe that if it be ever advisable to ad press ori s on s t o the Deity for any temporal ssing, it is surely advisable to addre-s such orisons ur the continuance of the present favourable and alre ady weather. Upon the advantages that have resulted from the beautiful month of May Just terminated, the Farmer says : r " After rather a heavy tall of rain the temperature b ° 5e graduilly, and the moisture and warmth c. - mabined o re wrought an amazing alteration in the appearance thv country. Tnt spring.sown ctops stand as well as 4 0 14 possibly be desired. The wheat plant, though backward. wears a h,ithlty and vigorous aspect, and ,14 Zr!nist,s tar better than could have been cli t 's i G r l4 the ex tretne 1 •ngth trid severity of the winter. has grown amazingly. and all the g r e en crops are f "nant. A far, t, a jment can be • erm, d I. at this s early p? n riod, eretore the as harvesttri promises to be ab undant.' , i..E t .. a . r nestly is it to be hoped th a t a ll our h opes ► does not b e rea li- e d. Al though the writer i n " e , s , not appea r ver y sangu i ne as to the diminution litttunaeoyprice of corn , b e f ore t h e t i me o f h arvest has arrived, he still thinks that " under certain co 308 1 Thinations" when' ma y easily decline 20 3 . or even Der quarter. Unless it decrease more than this, 'e shall yet have to pass through a severe, if not a Protracted, ordeal. THE BANKER'S. One of the principal features in this month's n umber of the Banker's Magazine, is, as a matter of Course, the odious and miserable financial blunder_s in cf ' Sir R o b er t P ee l. E very a l terna t e page displays conspicuous characters the words " Bank Restriction - Act," and these words are plentifully accompanied • by animadversions upon the reprehensible measure they indicate. In speaking of the almost uni , versal obloquy now showered upon the enactment of 1844 ' one of the contributors to this commercial P°riodical observes, that it was eulogised on its mi.. introduction as an admirable scheme, by nearly , 411 the pr es s, " with a very few exceptions. , It e lnnot be forgotten that among those very few ex * ce Ptions, we ourselves were numbered from the very ' : lit 'et• Speciously as the innovation upon banking tran sactions was introduced by the then Prime Ali 11:ter, we recognised in it, from the first, those , i ernmas and miseries and dangers which have re . ;t lIt lY come to p ass . IV e p e r ce ived and proclaimed • ‘ tia t.the Bill was intended to direct the currency by eeh r ra anical agency, when the agency was required thhe most flexible and elastic. What has been the e of experience in developing the influences of t ..-e-Ene agure is tolerably well expressed in the follow br sentences The recent fluctuation in the rate of interest within tht:w.nitniths, from two pc-r cent. to twenty, has dis,,elled ' ri d they were under on this subject. They see r it %"Y enough that the Act, instead ol equalising the iti . of intereta d the value of money, must, whenever suderettnents come into effect, produce more violent and gyst„, ` - thanges tha u could rea ouubly occur under a -I n which exercise of wisdom and exp e , h , ne would penult the e "NNuI on the p ar t o f those who have tee practic .1 A. tun ot the r ate of inter. •.t in their hands. UPOn ; 11 "(fd and accurate report of the debate coons 18 -.lMPortaiit subjt..ct in the flotbe of Com continu g iv 'ti in the ane Nue. The Magazine bank . " be the J:ld and temperate organ o; the ba n k in g world. the W l n R Al ONTiI L y 1 ith a eharact,--ris:k: likeness of the ctia!riiia2i . -, i , ompai , 3• 7 London and Nort-i IW"eistLe trnii-IRYaili‘7:::-.°L7D "t. 4 " a singular accumulation of informa.:,ion . uputi_ we railway lutters, the present part is embellished ( t o the use the word advisedly) with agenerous appeal • rtil wa bl' • behalf y pu ic—and a vast public 1 , of Thomas Gray. W e quote the sensible and reasonable propositon of the Railway Rei•ord:— theriThe feratation of a p-tirly railway subscription, t h o a i , i , p'su,ggested oh the prp,eiple ing the paid. tip railway eapitAl of the country. Suplys , ,f a p nny per p 'um , - to b a 401)41,1-up capital of estqhlioled r4llwly comp ~:,,,.,. tioll, tr*h-re anotit 47,000.0001, a p,nny subierip -44 buggested, would yield 47,000,000 of ponce; • T ILE whi:'h, by an easy process of arithmetic, will be found to r be, in r,und eurnber, , , 195,0001. It may be said that this is a large sum. Then, let the limit be a penny per five pounds ; this would yield again in round numb: 39,000/. Again a tenth. or a penny per ton pounds, would be just one half-19,500/. Say only a penny per share, and, to facilitate calculation, take the shares at 25/. each ; 47,000,000/. divided by 25, gives 1,880,000/.; and this, at one penny each, amounts to 7,8331.—the lowest possible amount we think the railway public could, witn any regard to liberality, offer as their contri bution to the national testimonial to Thomas Gray. We hope to see some movement made at the nsuing• balf yearly meetings of the railway companies ; and, in the mean time, we throw out these hints for the consideration of railway men." Let it not be forgotten that Thomas Gray was the first (derided) propounder of railway communication. Thomas Gray is now old, and, we believe, very in digent! THE KNIGHT OF iv E. Pent XVIII. By Charles Lever. Forester, as Earl of IVallincourt, figures very conTicuously in these chapters ; he is all solicitude to afford assistance to the Darcy s. In hastening towards Ireland for the purpose, he is, however, detained at Bangor by a dangerous attack of fever. His valet proceeds to Bicknell, at Dublin, for the purpose of delivering important dispatches from Lord Castlereagh, whereby the approaching trial with O'Rielly may be frustrated against Dr. Hick man and his detestable relations. We are intro duced again to Freeney and iMiss Daly; but as yet no sign of Bagenal or the Knight. Next month there will be of course a double number com pleting the fiction. KNIG H 7 'S MOA 7'H LY V 0 LUME XI7.—XV. SET LERS AND CONVICTS. By An Emigrant Mechanic. PURSUIT OF XIS 0 WLEDGE; FEMALE EXAMPLES. By G. L. Craik. As has been visible heretofore in the periodical publication of this serial, there is much discrimina tion in the arrangement of the different subjects. The first work above-mentioned is composed of certain recollections of sixteen years' hard labour in the Australian backwoods. The second is a collection of biographical notices of Elizabeth Smith, Elizabeth Hamilton, Hannah More, and Mrs. Grant of Laggan. We perceive that among the con tinuations that have recently appeared of works com menced in the Weekly Volumes, are the abbreviated Lives from Plutarch. THE LAND {Vb. LIVE: IN. Part L Although we have watched this interesting peri odical from its first appearance in weekly numbers, just four weeks ago, we have refrained from comment ing upon its singular merits until the first monthly part was completed. The notion from which the pub lication has originated is new aid admirable. The eminent publisher for the million—and we inivht truly designate him as the distinguished instructor of the million Mr. Charles Knight, here pi oposes to compile a work illustrative of all the most striki.:g characteristics observable in England, so as to indicate in a vivid manner the pro gress of civilisation, the growth of science, the improvements of the manners and customs of the people, the natural peculiarities of the island, and the artificial constructions by which it is externally decorated, or by which its commerce and social inter course are materially advanced. The purpose of the publication, however, may be better understood by quoting the titles of the tour chapters which have already appeared, namely "The Road and the Rdilway," " The Sail and the Steamer," " The British Museum," and " Richmond." Even now, therefore, it has acquired a remarkable degree of diversity. Each disquisition is illustrated by en gravings from the pencils of distinguished artists ; the first number depicting a pack horse train of the seventeenth century, the travelling machine of 1750, the turnpike of 1663, and the road waggon of the last century ; the second number, containing views of the Clyde near Dumbarton, of Queensberry, of the Hoy Becalmed, and of a Steam-vessel on the Thames ; the third, sketches of the old entrance to the British Museum (a fragment of old London, which, however unsightly, we shall regret to see demolished), of the principal (new) front, of the (new) quadrangle, of the (new) stair case, and of the Egyptian Gallery ; the fourth is embellished, moreover, with pencillings of Richmond from the Isleworth Meadows, the Park, the Gateway of the old Palace, the view from Rich mond Hill, and Ham House. Eighteen beautiful engravings in all, and appropriate letterpress, ele gantly and intelligently written ! THE BELLI ASSEMBLEE. Now that Camilla Toulmin has undertaken the editorship of the Belle Assemblee, we augur well for the prosperity and improvement of the magazine. We wish her God-speed, cordially ! CHAMBERS' S EDINBURGH JOURNAL. As crowded with instruction and entertainment, as vigorous in style, and as diversified in contents a‘ ever. We are not surprised to find the prefrrence given to Burns in a comparison drawn between that glorious bard and Beringer, and however much we may differ in opinion, we cannot but admire the genial glow of the nationality by which the pre ference is inspired. SHARPE'S .1,./IV.11()Ai MAGAZINE. There are such a multitude o f c h eap and popular publications, similar to Sharpe's London Magazine, that we cannot do more tha n express our approval of the general discrimination and unstarched morality by which its pages are beautified. There is a dis agreeable mannerism alKut , a ‘ ll the en grav i ngs , t h at might he easily remedied. They see m to h ave b een produced by the scrutinising system of glypho graphy. THK PICTURLSQciE AAD POPULAR HIS TORY OF ENGLAA 0. Port I. By i humus Miller. Our old favourite Thomas Miller—the poet of the green lanes and of schoolboy recollections—is assuming a higher position in literature than he has hitherto reached—he is climbing the pinnacle of his tory. Safe be his footing upon that perilous asck nt, and golden his reward on reaching the summit! %%re have already had a multiplicity of histories of our native land. Lingard and Hume have given us the eloquent utterances of the past; Stowe and Holin shed have afforded us the quaint chronicles ; Sharon Turner and Henry have given us very equable but fragmentary narratives ; we have had a pictorial history from the printing press of Charles Knight, a ventriloquial or Catholic history from the portfolio of Mr. MacCabe, and a facetious history from the incorrigible and inexhaustible comicality of Gilbert A'Beckett. Thomas Miller offers us now a picturesque and popular history To our thinking, he is admirably calculated for that very graceful and novel undertaking. We shall re serve a definite expression of our opinion upon his work until it is further advanced, if not completed. SHARPA'S MODERN MAPS. Part 111. Scotland and Ireland are delineated in the present part, which is as carefully and distinctly trace. - 1 as its predecessors. The colouring is neat, and the lettering elaborate. LE FOLLET. We continue to be as much charmed as ever with this unequalled brochure of the fashions. The coloured plates are quite miniature paintings in their way, and the anatomy of the figure is preserved under all the alternations of costume. One engraving in the June part is a garden scene, in which some little girls are netting butterflies ; it is daintily done. Without any question Le Follet is without a rival. THE ART-UNION. We have before us the most splendid number of the Art-Union that has been issued for a long period. It literally abounds with pictorial beauty, the mere enumeration of which would extend beyond the limits afforded just now by our columns. The number is worth three times its average price. It is conducted with increasing industry and the most prolific enterprise. Some parties, of the coming crop, Belfast on the all-important question and fine weather, usually well-informed, writing from observe—" We have had a few days warm n. We and we are told the country generally looks we best portion of the North of Ireland nearly calcu late,one- from observation and the farmers' statements, t t h h i a r t d i e n x t t h ra e land is under g ra i n , about one-fourth the average of potatoes are planted, and scarcely an average of flax, besides a p greater extent than ordinary of cabbages, turnips, parsnips, carrots, beans, and such like." The destruction of live stock during the winter, from poor food and insufficient tending, is believed to have been considerable. Two items of commercial information, mentioned in the Indian journals which came to hand by the last semi monthly mai!, deserve passing notice. Tee first relates to the improvement of trade at Kurrachee. It appears from the list of imports and exports recently published, t hat the for nter amount e d i n va l ue to 46 , 29,000r 8 . last year, against 31,40,000r5. in I:4s.showing an increase of about 14,89,000r5.; and that the latter amounted to 10,49,000r5., against 6.01,00 - rs. the previous year, also showing an increase of about 4,48,000r5. Some of the papers attribute the increase to the wants of a large standing army, hitherto maintained in the province, and there does seem reason to believe that this circumstance has in a great degree helped to swell the account. The gross amount of exports, stated at 10.49,181.46f5., was made up of 4,40,747.46r5. merchandise, 3,23,434r5. treasure, and 2,83,000r5. horses. The other sub ject relates to the increase of the cultivation of rice at Arra can. Fifteen years ago, it is stated, this place produced only enough of the article for the consumption or its scanty popu lation, but such has bean the success of the trade since car ried on, that during the season of 1845-46 the experts of the pulse exceeded 12 lacs of rupees, or 120,0001 in value. The shipments, which, it is understood, were first limited to the C rommidel coast and the settlements in the Straits, have at last extended not only to China, Bourbon, and the Mau ritius, but also to the European markets of France, B and England. ExpouTATION OF BULLION.—OiI Tuesday the ship Orator,Captain Intea, left the St. Katherine Dock with a large amount of specie on board, for the Cape of Good Rope S I_l LONDON, SATURDAY MORNING, JUNE IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT 11011 SE OF LORDS, June 4. The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Wool sack at Five o'clock. REPRESENTATIVE PEERS OF SCOTLAND. Lord KINNAIRD presented the report of the Select Committee on the election of Representative Peers for Scotland, which was ordered to lie on the table. CLERGY OFFENCES BILL. The Bishop of OXFORD prewnted a petition from the city of Oxford in favour of this Bid ; !so several other petitions to the same effect from clergy men and others in the comities of Oxford and Wilts. The Bishop of EXE I ER was as desirous as any that an effectual measure should be passed, and so were the clergy in his diocese ; still they censetered the present 13i11 to meet the desired end was objectionable in many of its provisions. He trusted it would be remedied in the Committee up stairs. PROSTITUTION. The Bis! op of OXFORD presented a petition, signed by the clergy and churchwardens of Cambridge, praying their Lordships woul.l introduce a measure to facilitate the punishment of prostitution. BIRMINGHAM AND OXFORD JUNCTION RAILWAY. The Duke of RICHNIOND moved a Select Com mittee to consider the cas of this railway, and named the Noble Lords to constitute that Committee. Lord BEAUMONT said he bad intended to have moved an addition to the Coannittee named, but, as the House seemed to think it was unnecessary, he withdrew that notice of motion. The motion was agreed to, and the several petitions were referred to the Committee named, it being ordered that parties should be heard by one counsel on each side. HEALTH OF TOWNS. The Marquis of NORMANDY presented petitions from the incumbents of two parishes, from the medical gentlemen, and the working classes of the city of London, in favour of the Bill brought in by the Govern ment, and praying that it may pass into a law. PORTUG AL. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE laid upon the table of the House, in answer to a question put to him by Lord Brougham on the subject, a number of papers, and a copy of the protocol recently signed by the Ministers of France, Spain, and England, with respect to inter ference in the affairs of Portugal. Lord STANLEY did not think that the papers laid before the House were of such a character as should induce either House of Parliament to pronounce an opinion upon the course the Government had pursued with respect to Portugal, and it would be very unwise, in the absence of any further information, to enter into any discussion upon the subject in either House of Parliament. Lord WHARNCLIFFE moved for certain returns connected with the removal of Irish and Scotch paupers. —Agreed to. The Bishop of EXETER gave notice of his intention to put a question, on Monday next, to the Lord President of the Council relative to the minutes on education. NAVAL PRISONS BILL. The Earl of AUCKLAND moved the consideration of the report on this Bill. The Earl of HARDWICK moved the omission of certain words in the first clause, with the view of throw ing the responsibility of committing and punishing of fenders wholly on the captains of ships, instead of alter nately on the commanders of ports as well as the cap tains of Lord AUCKLAND resisted the amendment, which was 111611,u-1y withdrawn. The report was then agreed to. EMIGRATION. Lord MONTEAGLE then rose to move the appoint. ment of a Select Committee respecting emigration as a means of relieving the distress of' Ireland. He regretted having to bring the question under their attention so late in the session, but the reason of it was, he did not like to distract their attention with it while other mea sures for the immediate relief of Ireland were in pro gress. Now that obstacle was out of the way, and he trusted he would be able to make out a strong case for the motion he was about to submit. The facts he would lay before their Lordships were such as, he was per suaded, would fully justify some steps being taken for the advancement of colonisation. When he considered what their colonial empire was, that it contained a population of from five to six millions, and was scattered ever every part of the globe, though he had the greatest respect fit the rfforts of the Colonial-office, hi: con sidered it required assistance and information in the work of advancing the interests of these colonies, and it was with this object that he was about to submit the present motion. Inthe present instance they had eight millions of people in Ireland to deal with, and therefore it was their duty to see that emigration was well directed, and that the parties who went out were so situated as to produce for themselves the greatest amount of food. While he wished to stimulate emigra tion, he wished it to be distinctly understood that in any measure he proposed he did not mean to dsturb the presentmount o course emig o r f a c ti o o l n on f i r s o a n a Great from 1825 to 1836, was 1,500.000, he exhibited a strong that case for the consideration of Parliament. The effects colonisation. When VBhreintain he to sa t i h d e colonies e :amount of it would not be limited to Ireland. The question to be considered was whether this emigration should flow in a direction towards England or to the colonies and dependencies of the country. He thought that some protection ought to be given to this country against the great influx of the poorer class of tho emigrants. But when in the one country the wages were higher than in the other, it would be q uite i n va i n to exp ec t that legis lative interference could prevent the influx of poor from the country where the lower wages were paid to the one where higher wages were made. It was only by a fair and impartial system of e qu a lity th a t thi s s t a t e o t things could be rendered such a state of things as should tend to improve the condition of the people of Ireland. Re ference had frequently been made to this mode of treat ment by Committees of their Lordships' House upon various occasions. It was quite certain that either the standard of the Irish character should be raised to the st.ndard of England, or that of England should be de pressed to the condition of Ireland. One or other of these things must be done if the condition of Ireland was to be permanently improved. An opinion entitled to the greatest possible respect was pronounced upon the subject a few years ago by his Noble Friend opposite (Lord Ashburton). his Noble Friend declared, when he was in office, and a member of the then House of Parliament, that Ireland could only prosper under a free and liberal system of emigration. Lord Fitzgerald also entertained a similar opinion a few years back, and if such a system were acceded then, how much was it required now %shot the population of the sister kingdom had almost doubled. He had given their Lordships an array of authorities in favour of etnigration, but he had omitted two a hich he was desirous of communicating to their Lordships. No man had taken more interest in the subject of emigration than Lords Durham and Sydenham, who had given it as their opinions that emigration, when judiciously conducted under Government supervision, not only benefited the parent kingdom, but added to the import ance and increased the value of her colonies. lie had thus placed before their Lordships the autho rity and opinion of men of all parties on the subject of emigration, and having done so, he would proceed to impress up n the house the reasons why the question was p.-cuharly important now, and why steps should be taken to extend colonisation. At the present moment it was admi , ted that at least one.fourth of the food of Ireland was destroyed; the country therefore was, to some extent, in the position of several millions of people being suddenly added to the population without the means of supporting them. In such a case they would have at. tree to decide how to increase the food to the number of people, or take measures to send them where food was plentiful. This was the pre-ent position of Ireland; a state of things which, he submitted, could not be metaled by the present system of emigration. Nay, to far from that, he b,heved the present voluntary sys tem only made matters worse. To show this, he need only say, that the emigrants which left the country were those who had small capital, or those who were the ablest of the industrious of the population. A drain on the capital of the country was therefore continually going on at a time when it could least af ford it. The Noble Lord read extracts from returns respecting the various districts of IrJand, in support of the statement which he had made. He had no objection to the small farrneis going to the colonies to improve their condition if they could, but their Lordships should take such steps that these men would not be the only emigrants, as appeared to be the case now. With re gard to Ireland, he could assure them that, however much parties differed on other questions, they all agreed on this ; and this feeling did not arise from any feeling that had been unduly raised, but proceeded from the conviction raised through letters received by residents in Ireland from their friends in the colonies, who had been successful settlers, and encouraged their relations at home to follim their example. He did not wish that the people of England should be called on to bear the ex pense of a system of emigration for Ireland, for he was persuaded that the proprietors of that country were so persuaded of the benefits of the system, that the re sources of Inland itself would be found sufficient to carry out au efficient scheme with effect. Nay, he had no doubt that the soil itself would contribute a great deal towards the expense of such a system. Bes i des t h e colonists oto enttpur encouragebic mode colonial olot would i also give it, f or th e i r i n t e rests emigration, ladl wbeo rakd, adopted : t, which than ha works d set h would o utl t hd h o o b u e a r e g ht great no a be emigrants t in r H i n e i a s a n n d s of ec Statesdrdea opinion m lis a i n d u g t s . u u w n e d s f h a , rapid tohrasending g e r a o e s t sohsne,r emigrants out. why whi ethecaAnmadea made such slow progress, was not because the former had a more fertile soil, or because of political institutions, but on account of the energetic character of the American State Governments. In this view he was supported by the report of Lord Durham, when Governor•Ueneral of Canada. But they were not alone restricted to the Ca nadas. The Australian colonies also presented an ex tensive field of co l on i sat i on. Ile did hope that their Lordships would adopt the motion he had placed upon the paper. It would be taking another step towards improving Ireland, and if the inquiry resulted in the establishment of som e s y stem ot colonisation, upon a large and wise scale, he was sure it would go far to get rid of many of the evils under which Ireland was at pre sent labouring. Earl GREY . would not det a i n t h e i r Lordships at any g reat length in following in detiil the statement of sue Noble Lard who had just stir down, b ut t h ere were one or two points which he could not pees over without offer ing a few remarks upon them, lie did not agree with the Noble Lord that emieratiou could remove the evils from which g Ireland was suffering. The task o f trans portin _ masses o f people from one quarter of the giohe to aii ,, th. r was not so easily accomplish e d as his Noble Friend seemed to think. He valued the im p.rop.en of emigretion and colerisatuin as m uc h as any One wit. n coLlioed with n proper limits, but while deal ing with this motion he could not conceal from himself that a large number noblemen and gentlemen, in a memorial they but presented to their Lordships, had declared that no reformation could be brought about in the state of things in the sister k'ngelorn fur the next two years unless two millions of the peasantry of Ireland were transferred to America. The question of emi gration of late had been a good deal discussed, but no one had ventured to propound a plan, and he was prepared, therefore, to say to their Lordships, " Let us have this Committee of Inquiry, and see if this undiscovered plan of colo nisation could be attained "—(Hear, hear.) Other ad vantages might arise from the inquiry, but at all events if some others resulted from it the inquiry might have the effect of setting the public mind at rest upon this extensive and interesting topic.—(Hear, bear.) Up to 1830 no settled principles of colonisation were adopted by the Government. About that time a commission was appointed to inquire into the subject, and the re sult of that investigation was the establishment of Au stralian emigration. Since that period, upwards of 100,000 persons have been transferred from the shores of the United Kingdom to the colony, and the number was annually increasing. A good deal of the success of the system was attributable to the exertions of the Emigration Commissioners, who had succeeded in reducing the cost of passage, and producing such ample accommodation for emigrants, that the mortality of late amongst emigrants had not amounted to more that one per cent. It was the intention of Government to extend the system of colonisation, which had proved so successful in South Australia, but before it could be carried on to the extent recotnmvanli d by the Noble Lord who had introduced this motion, a good deal of caution and inquiry was ne cessary. True, in America the system had been no less successful than in South Australia, although it had re ceived no Government all in that quarter. But before they could turn their attention to that object, some pre cautionary measures would have to be taken. Last year upards of 1,900.000 emigrants were landed in Canada, who, throueh the instrumentality of the Emigration Commissioners, were distriboted throughout the country to places where their labour was likely to become avail able to the settlers ; and their Lordships ought to take care that no act of their's should have the effect of interrupting •or overdoing the beneficial system. There was now a system of complete protection for the emigrants to Canada, and there was no abuse but was at once put an end t o by th e i n t er f ere nce of the emigration agent. The consequence o f t hi s was, that emigration was proceeding st ea dily an d h ea lthily to those colonies. He said no w , h owever , an d h e sa id it formerly, that it was only a practical delusion on the Irish people to state that the evils of that country could be remedied by a system of emigration. He stated so in 1843, and lie now repeated it, that it was impossible by this means to pro vide a remedy for the evils under which Ireland was suff4ring. He believed that those who were best acquainted with the subject vi ere of the opinion that there would not be less than from 200,000 to 300,000 emigrants this year to America. Large as that number was, he thought they could be provided for, in conse quence of the means of distribution which was at present in existence, and of the demand for labour. But if this number was increased to a large extent by Government interference, he feared that the effect would be great suffering in the whole body of emigrants, and that a considerable check would be given by this artifi cial stimulation to emigration generally. This hap pened in 1832. the year of the cholera, and the results which followed then, and which were well known, would, he apprehended, again recur if they adopted the same means to . nereSseernigratien. as the colonies would not be fited to meet th- increased demand in their resources, and would not be able to absorb this surplus labour. The Noble Lord then read extracts from the dispatches of Lord Elgin. to the effect that the emigration hitherto had been easily absorbed, and that any interference with it might he attended with the meat injurious con sequences. He (Earl Grey) thought, that if Noble Lords perused there dispatches—esp •cially those which arrived recently, it would be apparent to there, that any artificial increase, such as that proposed, in the number of emigrants, would not be attended with beneficia consequences. His Noble Friend (Lord Monteagle) said, that by the establishment of a system of public works in Canada, a wide field might be opened for the absorption Of lab mr. Now he (Earl Grey), would like to see a system of railways laid down in that colony, and he would like particularly to see a railway laid down from llalirax to Canada, as this would open up access with Ca na d a , at all sepsons of 'he year. If that policy were adopted, he thought the greatest advantages would result. But these were not things which could be pushed on with the rapidity some gentlemen desired. In the first place the surveys were in a very imperfect condi tion, and instructions had lately been given by the Master- General of the Ordnance to have them pushed on with as little delay as possible. Lord Elgin also, it would be seen from these papers, was to bring the subject before the Local Legislatures of the colony. Besides these objections, the present financial state of this country must be considered ; it must not be forgotten that it was with the greatest difficulty that they could prevent the Exchequer bills from being re turned to the Government, and that they were nut in a condition to give effect to the railway enterprise even of this country. He was persuaded, however, that all these evils under which this country was now labouring were of a transient and passing nature, and that as soon as they were at an end there would be enterprise sufficient to carry these Canadian undertakings into effect. There was only one further point to which he felt it necessary toallui e namely,lreland the the contrast beendrawn between and he American which colonies.h acl i had d been stated that these colonies when they were so had got on ad mirably ; and that, therefore, had furnished a strong ar gument for leaving our'present colonies to their own ex ertions. He would conclude by saying that he trusted that their Lordships would understand that in consenting to this Committee he did not agree in the practicability of carrying out this system of emigration upon that gi gantic scale which alone could render it an immediate and effectual remedy for the pressure which now existed. Lord FI rz vir LUAU (who in the commencement of his observations was quite inaudible) said that it ap peared to him that one of the great objections which his Noble Friend saw to an extended system of emigration was, the great expense it would entail upon this coun try, but that was a difficulty which would in a short time be removed, although the present state of the money market might not warrant any great outlay at present. He th oug h t, however, that any expense that was incurred by t h e Government ought to go to the removal of the ev il s by which Ireland suffered. The Government had d etermined to give pecuniary assist ance, so as to encourage the formation of railways in bCean suand he th ought that the same course ought to ed with r egar d to It eland, where the distribu paudra, tion of money would be attended with far more benfiecial effects. The want of some system of emigration was universally admitted, and it the Government did not assent in forwarding that object, who was to do it ? The landlord would be unable to carry into effect such an extended system as would alone be attended with any satisfactory reiult, nor, indeed, would they be able to carry it into effect, so as even to produce any great reduction of the suff -Hiles of the population. He did say, if this country did not exert herself more than she did on behalf of the improvement of Ireland, and the condition of the Irish people, they would inevitably have to contend with a popular tumult. Ile was desirous of seeing the improve ment of Ireland, as his Noble Friend had said in refer ence to the colonies, by means of public works, and he was certain that that was by far the most economical pro cess—economical, becaus e th e money expended must be largely teprod uct i ve. If t h ey did not a d opt these means, unless th e popu l at i on was i mmense l y de creased by emigration, the Government would not for years and years be able to surmount the difficulty at tendant upon Ireland. What most impeded this pro gress of improvement, was the general public opinion in which the Government unfortunately participated, that the calamity of Ireland did not become the calamity of the empire. That calamity was great. Suppose they should proceed as they had been doing ; suppose, how ever, that instead of the potatoe, they should wish to in troduce wheat. It was certain that 2 acres or 2* would be requisite for the support of a family that used to exist on I* acre planted with potatoes. But he was certain that it was an impossibility to grow two acres of wheat this year on the land belonging to those families which had raised each but an acre of potatoes. This being so, he was bold to say, that unl ess the Govern ment was prepared to make up their minds to adopt a new course, to foster emigration, and the improvement of Ireland by public works, they must have recourse again to votes of money for the support of the helpless in that country. Lord MON rEAG LE replied—He said he had no ob jection to move for the memorial alluded to by the Noble Earl, just to rescue it from oblivion and the dusty shelf. The motion was then agreed to, and the Committee was named. beveral Bills were advanced a stage, and The House adjourned a few minutes past nine o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS, June 4. The SrlAgElt took the Chair shortly before Four o'clock. THIRD READINGS. The following Bills were read a third time and passed: Birmingham, Wolverhampton, and Sour Valle way (No. 2) Branches. y Rail- Birmingham, Wolverhampton, and Stou r V alley Rail way (No. I.—Smethwick Deviation). Bristol and South Wales Junction Rail way and Aust Ferry. Coventry, way. Derbyshire, Staffjrdshire, and Worcest ers hi re Junction Nuneaton, Birmingham, and L e i cester Rail way. Railway. Dundee and Newtyle Railway. Dundee and Perth Railway (Alteration and Extension, and Inchture, Polgavit-, and Inchrnichael Branches). Eastern Counties Railway (Enlargement of the London and Stratford Stations and Amend ment of Acts). la Eastern irre Count ies Line, &c ) Railway (Cambridge, Royston, and Edinburgh and Bathgats Railway (Deviation and Arrh-ndmient). Kingsnorton, Northfield, &c., Rates. Liverpool Gas. London and North-Western Railway (Coventry and Nuneaton Branches). London and North-Western Railway (Atherstone and Whitacre Branc,:). Lon;lon and North- Western Railway (Purchase of the Earl of Ellesmere's intsreit in the Manchester South Junction and Altrincham Railway). Lindon and North Western Railway (Newport Pagnell, Olney, London and North- Western Railway (Portobello and wolvrhonron Branch. &: Lynn and Ely Railway (I)e , .iation a n d L ynn Docks). • Northampt a nd Ba,lbur, Railway. Parkgate and Chester and Birkenhead J unc ti on Rail way. Sandwich Haven. Wexford Free Bridge. 1847. CONSIDERATION OF REPORTS. The reports on the following 13:11s ►►ere further eon • sidered and a.zraed to:— Lalicatlire, Cheshire, and North Wales Drainage and Inclosure Companies Ine , rporaion London (City) Small D. bts Weymouth and Melcombe Regis Harbour and Bridge Trusts. SECOND READINGS. The following Bills were read a second time, and ordered to be committed :—Leith Harbour and Docks Dues ; Lincoln's Inn Rating ; Liverpool Fire and Life Insurance Company. REPORTS. The following reports were brought up, and ordered to Pe on the table : Aberdeen and Great North of Scotland Railways Amal gamation or Leasirig. Aberdeen Railway (Brechin Branch Dsviat.ion). Birmingham and Oxford Junction Railway (Warwick and Stratford Line). Buckingham and Bra •ltley Junction Railway, and Ox ford and Bletehley Junction Railway Companies Amalgamation and Extension of Lines. Cheltenham and Oxford Railway. East Lancashire Railway (Southport Branch and Preston Ex ension). East Lancashire Railway (Burnley Connecting Line). East Lancashire Railway (Ciitheroe, Mitton, and Padi ham Branches). East Lancashire Railway (Bury to Manchester). E iinburgh and Northern Railway (Burntisland Pier, &c.) Edinburgh Waterworks. Great Northern Railway (Extension to Leeds and Wakefield Deviation of Methley Branch of Wakefield, Pontefract, and Goole Railway). Leeds, Wakefield, and Midland Junction Railway. Leeds and Thirsk Railway (deviation of main line in Critnple Valley, &c.) London and North-Western Railway (Ormskirk and Rainford Branch, &c.) London and North Western 'Railway (Kenilworth to Berkswell Branches and Extensions, &c.) London and North-Western Railway (St. Alban's, Lu ton, and Dunstable Branch). Manchester and Leeds Railway (Branches, Extensions, Deviations, and Alterations of Levels, and other Works). Midland Railway (Cheltenham, Warwick, and Leaming ton Line). North-Western Railway (Diversions at Skipton, Caster ton, and Sedbergh). Oxford, Worcester, and Wolverhampton Railway (No. 1) Extension and Amendment. Portadown and Dungannon Railway. Rochdale Canal (Sale to the Manchester and Leeds Rail way Company). St. Helen's Canal and Railway (Warrington and Black brook Branches, &c.) York and Newcastle, Newcastle and Berwick, and North British Railways Amalgamation. MANCHESTER AND SOUTHPORT RAILWAY. On the motion of Mr. ROEBUCK, leave was given to the Committee on the Manchester and Southport Rail way Bill to make their report this day, notwithstandin g one clear day's notice had not been given in the Private Bill-office ; and the report was brought up and ordered to lie on the table. THAMES CONSERVANCY. Mr. DUNCOMBE moved that Mr. Wortley and Mr. Cardwell be added to the Committee on the Thames Conservancy Bill. Mr. WARD objected to the motion, and intimated he should be compelled to vote against him if it were forced to a division. Sir R. 11. INGLES thought a sufficient case had been ma(le out yesterday to warrant an addition to the Com mittee. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE thought that no objection would be urged by the Committee to the assistance of gentle men of ability, like his Hon. Friends Mr. Cardwell and Mr. Wortley. They not only would, by the addition of these gentlemen, be receiving an infusion of new blood, but of legal blood—(Laughter)—which was still better ; and after what they had heard yesterday he did not think that the House would do well to remit the ques tion to the same Committee—a Committee composed of the Admiralty and the Court of Aldermen--(Laughter) —a happy conjunction.—(Laughter.) Why, the Court of Aldermen were of opinion that if they did not get this Bill through Parliament this session they would cot get it through at all, and therefore it was that they were so opposed to the introduction of new Members. Mr. WILLIAMS was not surprised that the Secre tary to the Admiralty should be opposed to this Com mittee, for when, as he understood, the Committee were themselves divided in opinion upon the Bill, the Hon. the Secretary to the Admiralty decided in its favour by his casting vote. But the Hon. the Secretary said that this Bill should be approved of, and he con sidered that the Court of Aldermen was a proper Court to have charge of this Bill. Mr. WARD explained in a few words. Sir DE LACY EVANS said that if the motion of the Hon. Member for Finsbury should not be carried he would feel it his duty to propose that the Hon. Mem ber for Finsbury and the Hon. Member for Westminster be appointed conservators of the River, in addition to the Members appointed by the Bill. Mr. HODGSON was understood to oppose the motion. Mr. HUME could not assent to the propositions which had been made, and he believed unquestionably that the change which he recommended would be serviceable, yet he was ready to accede to the decision of the House.— (Cries of " Divide, divide.") The House was then cleared for a division, but The motion was agreed to without a division. BELFAST 'NI PR3VENIENT. Mr. ROSS moved that the Committee on the Belfast Improvement Bill do not proceed with the said Bill until the returns relative to the 13...1fa5t Corporation shall have been laid before the House. He understood that the motion was to be resisted by a Noble Lord opposite, because it was supposed that he wanted to get rid of this Committee by a side wind, but really and truly he had no such desire. He Wet taiaed no 6ubt whatever that no case could be made out for the Bill, and sure he was that it would be deteatcql in a legitimate manner ; but if the inquiry were gone into, he wanted the Com mittee to be in possession of information that would enable them to arrive at a just and proper conclusion. Mr. F. FRENCH trusted the House would not esta blish the dangerous precedent of entertaining a resolution of this nature. The Bill was generally approved by the authorities. It had been reported upon favourably by the Admiralty Surveyor, and he did not think it right that any obstacles should be thrown in the way of the Bill. He trusted under these circumstances Mr. Hume would not sanction the motion of the Hon. Gentleman. Aftfr a few words from Lord CHICHESTER, Mr. GREENE would submit tolthe Hon. Member op. posite whether it would not be better to leave it to the Committee themselves. _ _ Mr. ROSS assented to this suggestion, and the motion was accordingly withdrawn. MESSAGE FROM THE LORDS. Messengers from the Lords brought up several Bills. ILLEGAL IMPRISONMENT. Mr. FERRAND desired to know from the Right Hon. Gentleman the Secretary for the Home Depart ment, what steps had been taken with reference to the illegal commitment of Mary Dawson, who had been com mitted to prison for three weeks, and punished on the treadmill, for no crime whatsoever ; he also desired to know what further steps he considered it his duty to take. Sir G. GREY said that in consequence of the repre sentations which had been made to him, he had the warrant of committal transmitted, and he was advised that it was an illegal commitment, as the magistrates had convicted under one Act and sentenced under another. Tne conviction took place under the 17th of George 111., cap. 56, and the sentence under the 67th of George IV. POSTPONEMENT OF THE ASSIZES IN IRELAND. Mr. S. O'BRIEN wished to ask a question of the Right Hon. Gentleman the Secretary for Ireland, of which he had not given notice: it was with reference j to the post ponement of the assizes in Ireland by the j udges. The gaols were in a very crowded state, and the precedent was not a good one, but was most objectionable It also appeared that the postponement would not have any beneficial effect, as matters were not likely to mend. Mr. LABOUCHERE said that the judges had come to a resolution that a postponement was desirable, but be was not properly informed upon the subject as yet. PORTUGAL. Mr. HUME desired to know from the Noble Lord whether the promised papers in reference to Portugal would be soon laid upon the table of the House ? He was determined to persevere in his intentionlof making his notion of Monday next. Lord J. RUSSELL—The papers will be on the table of the House upon Monday next, and I propose to go into Commtttee of Supply on F r id a y next , on w hi c h d ay it will be open to the Hon. Gentleman to bring forward his motion. Mr. HUME—The question is of too much import ance to further postpone it. Sir DE LACY EVANS said that he hoped that the Hon. Gentleman would not persevere with his motion unless be was of opinion that gentlemen could discuss a question better in the absence of all information than otherwise. He did earnestly desire him to postpone his motion. Mr. OSBORNE said that the House was aware that a collision had already taken place between her Ma jesty's navy and that of Portugal. His own opinion was so strong on this subject, that if the Hon. Member had not pressed his motion, he should in the course of the evening, have taken:some opportunity of bringing the matter forward. The Government had every advan tage on its side in keeping these papers, while the House was totally ignorant of their nature.—(Hear.) Mr. BORTHWICIC said that the Noble Lord the Secretary for Foreign Affairs. had last night informed the House that if possible he should lay this case on the table of the House this evening, and that Hon Members should be in possession of the papers on Monday morn ing. In 1826, the 11th December, Mr. Canning, under circumstances similar to the present, had come to the bar of the House and read a paper from the Crown, stating that the interference ofjEngland had been requested, and he apologised for the lateness of the information, al though he had only received it himself on the previous Friday. Mr. Canning had on that occasion given the infOrtuation as early as possible, and had sought the sanction of Parliament for the interference, an:l he thought that a similar course ought to be pursuei on the present occasion. The interference which had taken place on a former occasion, with the sanction of Parlia- inent, had b ee nsuceessful,and all Europe felt the benefit of it. The Hon. and Gallant Member for Westminster said they ought not to argue the question in ignorance. There was no necessity that they should do so, for the Noble Lord the Secretary for Foreign Aff kirs could abundantly supply them with all information. He thought the House ought to be placed in possession of the reasons which urged her Majesty's Government to in terfere with the liberties of a nation, in order to sup. port the authority of a despotic Government. Lord PALUERSTON said that he wished to ob serve that the House ought to be fully informed of the grounds on which the Government acted. But it ap • peared, from the course now pursued by Hon. Members, that they wished to come to this discussion without being so info: med. He could assure the House that every exer tion would be made to supply the House with the papers at the earliest opportunity, and he hoped that if they were not laid upon the table on Monday they would be in possession of Hon. Members before Friday. Ile did not wish to follow the Hon. Member throughout his argument, but he was convinced that when the papers were produced, the House would see that the interfer ence of the Government .was not with the intention of establishing despotism, but to secure the people of Portu-gal in tle full enjoyment of those liberties which had been secured to them by the charter of Don Pedro. Lord J. MANNERS said, that the object of Hon. Members in pressing forward the motion was that some measures might be taken which would be attended with some good effect before it was to late. The Honour able Member for Wycombe had told the House that a collision had already taken place between her Majesty's fleet and the forces of the insurgents. It was because they were anxious that the cause of the people of Portugal should nut suffer by any delay, that they wished to proceed with promptitude. Lord IL VANE said that he would suggest to his Hon. Friend the Member for Montrose to allow the discussion to take place on Thursday next. The House would then be in possession of the papers on Monday, and be fully informed on the subject by Thursday. Mr. lIUME said, if he could bring on his motion en Thursday, as a subatative motion, that it should take precedence of the other business, he would consent to defer it till then. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that he understood the Honourable Member wished to bring on his motion on the day fixed for the Supply, but if he would bring it on on Thursday he would be ready to postpone all the other business. The Honourable Gentleman had mentioned that a collision had taken place between her Majesty's forces and those of tne Queen of Portugal. His (Lord John Russell's) im pression, from the accounts in the papers, was that the collision was between the forces of the Queen of Portugal and some German vessels. Mr. HUME said that under these circumstance he wished to give his notice of motion for Thursday next. The subject then dropped. Mr. COLLETT would ask the First Lord of the Treasury, whether it was the intention of her Majesty's Government, during the present Parliament, to supply the deficiency in the number of Members of this House caused by the disfranchisement of the borough of Sud bury? Lord J. RUSSELL said that the Government had no intention whatever of bringing in such a Bill dur ing the present session of Parliament, nor did he see any reason for the introduction of such a Bill, or that there was any necessity, unless a special case was made out for giving two new Members to the House of Com, ntions.—(Laugh ter.) Mr. COLLETT then begged to give notice that he should shortly move for leave to bring in a Bill to make Chelsea a borough. —(Laughter.) • THE LLINGTON . Mr. CRAVE WELLINGTON STATUE. Mr. CRAVEN EBERKELEY STATUEbegged to ask the Noble Lord at the head of the Woods and Forests, whether there was any intention of removing the Wel lington statue from the arch opposite to Hyde park? Whether there had been any cornmunica , ion with the Committee appointed to place it there? And how long it weuld bo before the statue was removed from its present site? Lord MORPETH said, that in reply he had to say. that it was the wish of her Majesty, that the statue should be removed from the arch. That intimation had been given to the Committee, and in reply they had stated that it was their impression that sufficitint care had not been taken to guard the scaffolding about the arch. When they intended to remove the statue he could not say, for he was not acquainted with the state of the Committee's funds, but he might say that both the sculptor and the architect were dissatisfied with the effect of the statue as it now stands. And he had only further to say, that her Majesty had signified her plea sure whenever the House should vote funds for the completion of the arch, according to the original design, that any further decorations placed upon it should be illustrations of the achievements of the Duke of Wel- lington, and should mark the sense of the country of his merits and deserts.—(Bear, hear.) REDUCTION OF DUTY ON SALT IN INDIA. Viscount SANDON put a question to the President of the Board of Control, whether he had received in telligence of a notification published by the Deputy Governor of Bengal, on the 31st day of March, 1847, by which on and after the Ist day of April, 1847, the prices of salt in store in Calcutta., manufactured under the Go . vernment monopoly, and the duty on imported salt, were to be reduced, but unequally, and without notice to the importers ; and if so, what steps the Government in this country are prepared to take in respect of such enact ment? Sir JOHN CAM HOBUOUSE had to inform the Noble Lord that it was perfectly true that the Indian Government had thought tit to reduce the duty on native and British imported salt. The best thing, however, which he thought he could do, was to present to the House the papers from the Indian Government which related to that notification. A great mistake had been made with respect to the duty upon British and upon native salt, as it was stated that they were not the same, whereas the duty upon both was reduced 25 rupees. There had been no unfair play whatever against the in troduction of British salt. It was true the Government of 11=ngal had made an exception with respect to a cer tain description of salt, but the papers which he intei:di d to present to the 'Luse (and he held a copy of them in his handa), would givo the fullest information on the subject. It was stated on the 25th of March, 1846, that an alteration would be made after the Ist of April, 1847, so that the parties were not taken by surprise, and moit have been fully prepared for the change which had taken place. In reply to Sir JOHN PAKING TON, Sir J. C. HOBEIOUSE said that the change had not taken place as a counter blow to anything which hal been done. WELLINGTON STATUE. Lord J. MANNERS' wished to know whether it was the intention of her Majesty's Government to commence the pedestal of the Wellington statue before au estimate was submitted to Parliament of its expenses. Lord MORPETII said that if the plan and estimates were ready they would most certainly be submitted to the House ; and it was not the intention of the G)vernment to remove the statue from its present position until the pedestal was ready. MARY DAWSON, Mr. FERRAND said that it was his intention to bring the committal of this case at an early day before the House. Mr. STAFFORD O'BRIEN wished to know whether Government intended to proceed with the Agricultural Statistics Bill this session? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that in answer to the question of the Hon. Gentleman the Member for Cockermouth it was quite true that a report had reached the Government that the potato disease had again made its appearance, but he thought that it was too early at present to form any certain judgment upon the subject, as last year the great attiick of the potato disease did not come until Juiy. In answer to the Hon. Member who had last spoken, the Government did not intend to proceed with the Agricultural Statistics Bill in the course of the present sesiion. Mr. OSBORNE said that there were two different sorts of potato, the early and the late, and the early potato had shown symptoms of a disease entirely dif ferent from the disease of last year. He thought that the Government ought to use some measure to hinder the people of Ireland from so w i ng th e quantity of po tatoes which they were at present putting down, as the disease appeared likely to spread. Mr. LABOUCHERE said that there was a body called the Agricultural Society of Dublin, which took a great interest in the general agriculture of the country. He thought that it would be far better for such a body to give advice than for the Government to take upon itself the great responsibility of advising what course the people should pursue upon such a subject. Sir H. W. BARRON said that if the people were encou raged to sow any substitute for the potato, it should be the one which had been recommended in the Gardener's Chronicle, namely, haricot beans. These beans formed an article of fool to the lower classes of people in very large districts of France, Spain, and Portugal. Mr. E. B. ROACH said that when he had left Ireland a few days hence, he had not heard any report of the re appearance of the potato disease. Ile had been round 100 acres sown with nearly every sort o f potato, and in not one single instance had any tendency to disease been observed. He thought it would be the better way to put in crops of late turnips, which he had done with great success last year. Mr. OSBORNE explained,_ and the subject dropped. CHARGES ON VESSELS. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, in reply to a question from Mr. EWART, stated that an arrange ment bad been made last year in reference to this sub j ect. _ ',PUBLIC WORKS IN IRELAND. Lord G. BENTINCK said he wished to ask his Right Hon. Friend the Chancellor of the Exchepuer whether be was in a condition to inform the House what would be the expense of the staff employed on the public works in Ireland, or whether the cost of the rations was 2d. or 2d. each ? Also, what was likely to be the cost of 5,800 clerks and overseers, which, if it equalled that of last year, would amount to about 730.000/. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that it was perfectly impossible to give a direct answer to the first question of his Noble Friend. but he was quite ready to lay on the table of the House the last return which had teen received. He could not say exactly, at the present moment, what the outlay was h had had a the pe n ny. e last Saturday. The rations had varied from 2V •t o a r but h©r N believed cii said that thatth e theyaverage ha Lo lfre rd iniy G: BsN turn of the expense of the staff up to the last statement, and it was there asserted that the whole, or at least a great number of the labourers had been he desired to know wh e th er there hadn dismissed, and been any p ro . portionato reduction o f t h e stall. By it appeared that th e wee k ly cost w the last returns, the number of rat i ons i ssued (a, as 14,9001., an d t h at It would appear b y this that tl i y was 2,200,000,000. this departm ent alone, yearly expenditure in would the be up war d s o f 700,0001. and this, h e thought, required The CII ANC E LI46 ( 1 1111 red explanation. t of the EXCIIEQLTEIt said that he did not stare .what the cost of each return was, but he stated that the whole cost would be 2,600,0001. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said in answer to a IRISH RAILWAYS. ques tion, that it was nut hi s intention to pr;ceed with du: vote for Irish railways on Monday next. PORTUGAL. Mr. BERNAL OSBORNE gave notice that, in the event of Mr. flume not persisting in his motion, re specting Portugal, he would move, .or! Tuesday next, that it was hostile to liberty, and i njurious to the in terects of this country, to enter into any convention, hating for its object the upholding of any dynasty in forc•ign coantries, or suppressing public opinion in them. Lord JOHN RUSSELL explained to the Hon. Gen tleman that his motion could not be taken before the other motions which had been fixed for Monday. Mr. SPOONER stated that he had given notice that on the order of the day being read on Monday, he should call the attention of the House to the recall of Sir Esrdley COSTS TAXATION BILL. Oa the motion of Mr. HUME, this order of the day was postponed until next Friday. LO ‘N DISCOUNT BILL. On the ord er of the day forte third reading of the Loan Discount TM, Mr. GISBORNE said that he had been informed that there would be very little discussion upon this Bill, and if that were the goneral fp•use of the House, he was quite willing to abide by it, but if the Chancellor of the Exchequer were to make another E.peech, and other gen lemen were to speak, he thought it but fair that he and others should a l s o rive their opinions upon this mea sure and the Bill of 1844. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCITEQUER said that he had never said that this order of the day was to go off without any discus;sion. He had heard that there would not be any prolonged debate on this subject, but he had never stated that fact to which the Eon. Member had alluded. Mr. GI:il1"):1NE sail that he was sorry to have mis., p statement reresente that l a ; q ‘ h v t as fl t o o n, , b u e ra th bl e e filTrrsiteonrd‘iebruot of the the t ' i l eday. r is th 2 is i had been made, he was not present, and he had heard that there was to be no discussion upon it at all. After a few words from Sir G. GREY, which did not reach the gallery, Lord GEORGE BENTINCK said that it was no in tention of his to protract the debate, as he understood that the matter would be taken up by abler hands, and he had only spoken for himself, when he said that there would be no debate upon this measure. He had in tended to bring in a Bill to repeal the Bank charter of 1844. Lord J. RUSSELL said that if there were any inten tion of bringing any measure forward, for the alteration or repeal of the Bank charter of 1844, it had better be brought forward in the shape of a motion. Sir R. PEEL, said that it would be better to bring this matter forward in a more substantial way, and he for one should not trouble the House with any observations of this occasion. Mr. BERKELEY said that the better course would be to allow the Bill to pass without any discussion. After a few words from Mr. HUDSON, which did not reach the gallery, Sir R. PEEL said a few words in explanation. Mr. BARING said he thought that the discussion had better be taken upon a practical measure. Mr. SPOONER said that he wished, if be went at all upon the subject, to enter upon it fully, which he could not do then. He thought that the debate had better be adjourned to another time, provided the Noble Lord the Member for Lynn would give an assurance that the subject would he acain brought forward in another shape. Lord J. RUSSELL said that he at, first understood that the discussion wculd be upfsn the Bill itself, but he afterwards understood that the diseu,sion would be taken lnnn a more substantive measure with reference to the Bill. Lord G. BENTINCK said that he had another friend who intended to bring forward a Bill for the Repeal of the Bank Charter of 1844, and if that Hon. Friend did not do so. he should do so himself. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that he was happy to inform the House that 2,678,0001. had been paid op slready upon this Bill. Mr. SPOONER urged that the Right Hon. Baronet should not have refused te offer which was made to pay up the money upon this Bill. That refusal had en couraged the bankers to believe that the Right Hon.. tronet had a sufficiency to meet the demand upon him. He ought to have for>seen the consequences of his measure, and he ought to have informed the con tractors for this loan that a demand would be made upon the Bank, and not have kept them in perfect ig norance upon this subject. The refusal of the Right Hon. Barcnet to receive the money at the time when he was making a demand upon the Bank. was nut in ac cordance with sound policy, or even fairness to those who were making the advances. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that it was quite true that at the time he refused the money that he did not think he should want it, nor was there any circumstance which he could foresee which would lead him to the belief that be should want it until the proper time for payment came. Mr. NEWDEGATE rejoiced that the debate of this day had called forth from the Chancellor of the Exche quer a more favourable bulktin with respect to the " Old Lady" in Threadneedle -street, than he was able to issue upon the occasion of the last debate. He thought it hard to saddle upon the Chancellor of the Exchequer the blame of causing the pressure which had existed on the money market, The Bill was then read a third time and passed. PRISONS BILL.—ADJOURNED DEBATE. On the order of the day for the adjourned debate on the Prisons Bill, Mr. EWART said that he differed from the Hon, Member for Southwark (Sir Wm. Molesworth), who stated in his speech last evening that he .should not have been surprised to have heard of some calamity which would have swept from the face of the earth the inhabi tants of that wretched coleny. Ile did - not think that the vengea: ce of Heaven, if he might use so s'rong a term would have fallen upon the guiltless inha bitants of tl.at plac'2, but rather the dire visitation would hart faibm upon the heads of the legislators of the mo ther country. When he brought forward his motion in the list session the Housa was counted out ; but he was rally convinced at that time that a period would soon arrive whey the subject won1:1 be bronght more fully and seriote.ly under the consideration of the House by the Government itself ; and those ar.ticipations were now fully borne out, and the Government had brought forward a measure, embodyine: almost the identical plan which it was then his intention to have proposed to the House, had it not been that the then Government care lessly allowed the House to be counted out upon so important a subject. With respect to the Bill now before _the House, he approved of the proposition as carrying cut the separate system as at Pentonville, but he disapproved of the proposed plan of making th e convicts work together in gangs; he entirely disapproved of any system of congregating together those persons. ft was an admitted principle that the convicts, when they entered the prison, should see as little as possitle of each other. After the prison discipline bad been fully carried out on the convict, was it not an absurd thing to bring the convict out of the influence of this separate system, place him along with numerous others of a similar or worse character than himself, and thus afford him the fullest opportunity for failing back into those vicious habits from which he had been weaned by the influence of the separate system? lie regretted, therefore, that the Government had thotrzht proppr to introduce this sys tem into their plan. The system of assignment was a good system only on account of its being iti effect a -epara.te syst , on, and upon that griFend infinitely supe rior to any system which proposed to neva the con• viers en muse, and in a cengregated and gregarious body to one colony or p, nal s-ttlem-at. He did not think that much weight was to be attached to the de oision of the judges upon this point. They were in their habits entirely microscopic, and it was:quite as natural to suppose that the powers of a microscope were similar to those of a t--lescope, as that the minds of persons long habituated to the study of the subtleties of legal lore should be supposed to be able to give a correct opinion upon so enlarged a question as that of ransportatiun. And with all deference to these Learned Judges, he would say that they were the last persons in the country to whose authority he would defer upon a question or this kind. With two exceptions, one in Germany and the other in Prussia, the dis t;nguished men who had turned their attention to the subject were in favour of separate con finement, as a great means of reformation. Many Hon. Gentleman did not distinguish properly be. tween separate and silent confinement. Separate con finement did not restrict communication with others, as the prisoner had intercourse with those who were likely to do him good and not evil ; but the silent system was more severe in its nature, as the person so incarcerated had but little communion with others. He entirely co incided with that part of the Right Hon. Baronet's state. ment which had reference to employing the prisoners at fixed labour, a system which had been introduced with the best effects among the prisoners intrusted to the care of Captain Macconochi. Although he differed with some of the details of the measure, he generally , conceal e d in it, because it proposed the system o e f it sep d a the egu u l nkrtunate persons, stroved hope in the minds of these . at imprisonment line, anfitbecraorif theydi separate destroyconfinement, hop improved p the r ov m e d i nddisscoi discipline , HOPE had no intention to object unnecessarily Mr. itnh would e t y ec be eu would rfsue find tiloef. Government, and trusted he might, that all their exertions , to the measure of the his address, be enabled to waist the Government in some of the details which were 'i.ci be en countered in a plan fraught with so many di l a : acuities as that of convict discipline. He regretted that the Right Hon. Baronet the Member for Sou nu t p h eo w nh a a r th ic. de ( me S ,ot ir vti r ruecci . t M ao o fp l leas hisn defleLcoterdd s S o ta se n v le e discipline, but it' it yre. h lY ad failed, s ui rir s ely the Noble orNw.fooocrrbdotinheov)uiFhegtra!idet Frien d c o i t t 0 be ' blamed for the fa u lts a t n h d os f e ail vt u ,h re o of his agents, and they were selected seemed best adapted for carrying out the system he had proposed. It seemed to him, also, that the Hun. Baronet had not paid that attention to the Bight Hon. Baronet's speech, which it deserved from one who differed with the plan he proposed. When his Noble Friend acceded to office, the system of convict discipline was in a moat imperfect state, and he did his best to remedy it ; and he appealed confidently to the public to pass judgment , upon the course which his Noble Friend adopted, because he believed it was carefully revised, and would have been most successful, Hit had been properly carried out. lie had no intention to advert unnecessarily to the con duct of the late Sir Eardley Wilmot, but he could not help stating that that gentleman, in a communication to of t which had been the good Mr. Gladstone, dated July , 1846, spoke favourabl of the system of passes, all(3 system. With respect to M a j or Childs, he thought it right to state that he had, been recommended to his N o bl e F r i end as a gallant • t eir etedprobbyatiholis officer of Marines. as a good disciplinarian, and as likely to till the office with advantnee, which his Noble Friend had found some ditficuity in filling. The office was that of a gaok r, with Fut soeietv, as it was in an isolated part of the colony. Bat his isiohle Friend ought not to be darned !or the conduct of Major Childs, because he had appointed him uteier the belief that he was the best per son to fiil the ell - ice; and here he ought to state, that his Noblk. Priced had appointed persons without favour, and with a sole desire to promisee the public service. He (M r. Hope) was in favour of giving the convicts, when they reached their destination, probation papers, bow*" ii I t) 1 ~. 2 intake psp er ead ended *nig ill the uinted 3rowil aer of o r of Cbief - The diail; ' ter O. oritY ipero r is wt ° etn 0 * /1 al° sect to, ber et the lathe 1 Per new end' The 3,119