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ai• of their engagement. When - the First -founded "; C proceeded' on a Similar al principle, but an adherence to it in pradice ;rid to be impracticable; or at least ruinous. 'The loss of men at the expiration of eaclrterm would be very considerable. In the Regiments on foreign stations, it e was probable that Many, perhaps most, would re-enlist ; but in those at home, the tempta tion of an additional sixpence . per • week, would be found to haN 4 e but -trifling charms, in comparison with the pleasure of re-visiting their. families. If ever, theretbre, thia ruinous • system should. be esta blished, such a - deficiency must soon ensue, that without the. power of conscription,- it mould be in 'vain to hope to f=l up the chasna r Or even-to keep the Army alive. - _Deeply would the Country deplore hav 7 _ing indulged speculations at a time when no necessity existed for doing so. )(Vas the Army dis-, contented ? Why affed to apply a remedy where, there was no evil ? 'Why endeasiour to place Pasiht meat in,this most painfal dilemma,, tO:part with the means Ofstaength, which the Countrypossessed,with out gaining an adequate substitute. The Right Hon. . Gentleman had -taken the easy course of finding - fault. witlrevery thing. It certainly was : not difficult to_ discover something in the administration in: • every country liable to censure. " The .Right. Hon: Gentleman .had . eompletely degraded the military state of the Country, and has condemned the Addi fional, Force ACt ; but with the, exception of the al teration in the condition of the Soldiers, what sub stitute. did he propose ? He took to himself - the credit of removing what he - tethied an evil, but- he did not chnse to incur the di.tficnity andresponsibility of replacing it by any thing.gOod. For certainly-the Right Hon. Gentleman was' not disposed to assume much credit from the plan of the trained craftsmen. To these he himself had no objetition There might be cases, particularly in a protracted warfare, in which they would be useful. .But _did the Right Hon,Gen &man dream of incorporating them for the defence. -of London ?—(A cry of Na, No) --Why then ,had he statedthis as an advantage ! When the ► Right Hon. Gentleman had recovered himself from the labyrinth ,in whichvbe was at present bewildered, he would find thatwe had an Army formidable enough to attack the Enemy in some vulnerable-point. He could assure him that such a point existed, and that had the late Administration continued iti office, the attempt would ere this have been made: He wish ed the Right Hon. Gentleman had been more explicit on the subject of the Volunteers. With some of the regulations which had been stated he was by nomearls disposed to quarrel; He believed that as that truly valuable: body of men had arrived at such perfec tion in discipline, they might dispensewith some of their days of exercise. He deprecated the slight. manner in 'which the Right .Hon. Gentleman had spoken. of- the Volunteers, and contended, . that if it were. expedient to put them down, it would be better to come forward in a manly and candid manner, vote the thanks of Parliathen.t to them; and inform them -that In lir.. services. were no longer necessary. He confessed that he bail entertained hopes, that on this subje& he-. might- have had to congratulate the Right Honourable Gentleman on -a political martyr dom, and that he would have made a sacrifice of hid opinion to that or his colleagues. and the Country. The Right Honourable, Gentleman talked of a gradual redu&ion of the Volunteers ! He never heard a dodrine more pointedly, inculcated •by him last Session, than that an abolition of thesystern ought immediately to take'place. He had decried the systesia as pregnant with danger to' the Country, and had _asked how. the Copstitution could be sate when such a body was in being. One pecisliar ex- pression of abuse he pettedly recolleCted-e-it was this "If you will net believe My, opinion, 'wait till you see those Gentle Men go through a General Elec tion, of a general - scarcity." And yet now the Right Honourable Gentleman come forward with . a suspicious declaraion, that it was not hiS intention to destroy the Volunteer's, but toecoMbine them. with . the other Military of the Country. As ..the House might wish to be in possession ,of the sentiment's of the , illustrious Sta tesman,whorn the Country had so much . cause to regret, on some of these subjeds, he could as sure them, that after a very full examination of the system of limited service, theopinion firmly.implant • ed in his mind, on his death-bed, was, that to attempt such a fundamental alteration in . the military esta blishment at so, critical a period would be attended with the utmost danger. That great man also thought that thepresent disposable force of the Coon .try was adequate to every purpose fbr which it ought to be rendered available. He trusted that-the House would not beinduced to adopt any violent ',measures with regard to the military estsbiishment. It had been left bye his late Right Honourable Fidend in such a state, that it' requirecL only the fostering hand of Varliament to shpport it. It. was the intention of his Right Honourable Fiend, had he lived, to. haye proposed, at the close of the war, some alterations in that establishment. During the was he only meant to suggest some simplealte , vainns in the Additional Force Bill, by which the 'Parishes would have had a wider district in which to recruit, and at the same time they would have been prevented from injuring the regular recruiting for the line. A .Right Hon. Gentlenian opposite (Mr. Fox) bad caught fire at some observations , of his on a former evening, with respell to the situa tion of the country at the close ofthe last Admini stration.. In all the fundamental features of the .State, it was a most proud situation.—He was not disposed to contend that that Administration had not struggled through diffieulties, and during a period - mien even the great talents of his late Right Hon. 'Friend were scarcely' sufficient to counterad the . danger; but every thing that could be done had been (IC)De. Never did any Government stleceed to such a beerof roses as the present; never Were any Govern . anent placed in a situation in which they so proudly .possessed the means of contending with the hostility of the foe. The statementanade by the Noble Lord who opened the Bodget„s4ciently'evinced the re sources and proud prosperity of the Cosnatry. „ Would the Right Hon. Gentleman say that he succeeded to -a dilapidated Navy ? or that it is to hi exertions we are indebted for _the discomfiture of the adverse Fleets ?.. The military force in their hands exceeded, as he had befOre observed, by twentyLtive thousand, any former Army Establishment of,thiS Country ; and it was in a state of discipline which even the. Right Hon. Gentleman hiMsell could not iMpeach. He trusted that it would not - be. taMpere&With, that the present Administration would abstain from doing • enuch, and leave the charge as it -Wag confided to , then - Mr. S - ecretary FOX declared, :that : it was not possible for human neves to bear the observations that had been made ,by the -Noble Lorcr.who; bad. just sat down without making SOITie remarks on them. would trouble the lerense with but a few words. This Country, it seemed; according to the Noble Lord, had been left by .the lute Administra tion in:a state of proud prosperity, such. as it-never before enjoyed ! lle should like to knoev in what that prosperity consisted ? In 'the Navy= be ahowed there hag beep wonderful . succesS, which -rendered that department Comparatively_ easy. It might be easy likewise to provide for • the future .NavY, if every thing bad -been! dope to continue and increase it that could be done.'—lt . , was 'toe much, however ; that the merit - of what our -brave sailors had effeaed in the-last eighteen • Months, should he assumed by the list Administra tion, particularly when it was considered, that the . foundation for these, triumphs were laid by a Board of Admiralty against whom some part'of the late Ade ministration had beers Stropglyeprejudiced, He was sorry to quit -so soon this subject, as it was the only One which inspired him with hope. With regard to - the fipances, theiast Administration, he supposed, left an easy task to his Noble Friend. In what pray ? 44 Was it easy to lay takes to 'a large amount, because the 'last taxes that had -be'en laid were to a large amount -! The revenue of the Country -was ferty-i three mniilions ! :That is; in other words, the Country was deliVered over to the present Administratioa with burdeils and imposts to thatamount : necessary perhaps; in"the' name of Heaven, where was : the prosperity in ali this ? The Noble Lord ought to be -well acquainted 'with. the affairs of Ire land—without unPuting praise or-blame, he ,Would. only ask, Was that Country .left in 'the best pos sible State? Were, the affairs of India proudly pro sperous ? Where .was this bed of roses of which- the - Noble Lord talked ? Supposing that the last Admie nistration had been the beet that ever existed; and , that the situatiou in which the ; Country stood .was • owing to uncontroulable cireumstaneeS, still it was in the highest degree-insulting in the tosay that the present Administration reposed on a bed of roses, when at the same time they were seratelied and . torn. with branibles and briars.. _The Noble. Lord told us we were - in a very flourishing state ! Did he . consider the, misfortunes, some perhaps inevitable, that had overwhelmed the Continent with ruin ? The Nohle Lord boasts of our resources ! He would ask him two questions.-e-pid he see any great probabi-' ' lity-of our being enabled to. conclude an honourable or satisfatory Peace, or to carry on the War in manner that should force the Enemy to. do so? Did he see any great probability of currying on the War in such a way as- to. reduce ,the power of France, or- even prevent its extension ? The : result of the at e : tempts on the Continent, during the last Campaign; (attempts, whether rash, or - not, whether well or ill condu6ted, he - would. not now tietermine) had not secured very-strongly the of the Country, unless, indeed, like the Additional Defence Bill, riew advantages were yet, to , be .derived e which had hi : therto concealed, themselves,- Would the Noble Lord say; that - the -public papers laid: before - the' House •bad notaddech to the difficulties of the em s ' barrassingsituation in which the new Achninisteation found themselves ? 'lf the Noble Lord would come to his office,.he would hear from Ministers of several kinds the effea that that unwarrapted.produOion had caused. But the_ Noble Lord had refused to come to his Office, and • he had . expressed this refusal in 1 terms se strong as to be something like criminel. : The Noble Lord -asserted that ,our army. was a great army,. because it was : greater than we ever thed be fore ; hut the word-great was relative ; and though our- army Might lies, great when compared with the armies in the.days of Queen Anne, or the'American War, it ' was not great when compared with ths immense military-'force at present opposed to it, He then proceeded to argue on the Motion, contend ing, that the Additional Defence A& was entirely nugatory. He felt some difficulty in-giving credit,to -what had been stated as . the,late Minister's opinion ; Mark ,Anthony was not wholly trusted in his re- ' port of Csesar's Weil. He repeated and defended Mr. Windham's arguments respea.iug the Volub teefs, in which he ; entirely. coincided, and rescued Mr. Windham, from the ,imputation of having be- ' wildered himself in a ,labyrinth: His Right Hen. • Friend's Speech was one of the mosecleer, and the mast eloquent that he had'ever heard. :If hie Right Hon. Friend's Speech, was . a labyrinth, and the Noble Lord's clear, -then he could oely say, that he -was completely mistaken in his. ideas of what constituted a labyrinth. ..What.was.there degrading to the Vo lunteers in wishing :o separate them from the lower orders ? The harsbnese o,f the Levy en ,111apl Aft, which would preduce, this effect, would be 91- vjated by his Right - Honourable Friend's plan. The prerogative which. that AO gave to the. Crown, to take a man and send -him to any-distant part of . the. country, would no longer east. e lle- Noble Lord seemed to'think that if the enemy should land in Britain, the loss : of London would be theless of the kingdom. He was-de different opinion.. Should the French land, it wouldebe''our duty' to' dis pute every inch of ground. - Bet he' should be sorry to say, that the fete of Britain 'depended -on one battle, as the Austrians seemed 'to think of Au -stria at Austerlitz. He knew. the English better, _their attachment - td their Constitution, and to their Sovereign, and he was convinced that uncle' any cir cumstances they would not abendon the cause Of their Country as hopeless.. Thelate Ministers, it was said, had added an increase 4 ; 25;000 then to the Army : it was the determination of the preSent government .to make the military establishment as ecomplete as they well could. For what had the Country now to .rely upon ? Whither could the Country now look for assistance ? • In this bed of roses, upon which -Ministers were so gently laid by their predecessors. What Ally had we left but Russia? a Power too dis tant, both from this Country and from others, where her .co-operation would be Most wanted, 'that her _alliance could not well lee considered as very,effeaual. In truth, wp were. nor left a. single Any to fight with us. In such. a, direlio state, what had we to do but . to increase ; our ,Army, -and to increase it con siderably, though to what extent he could-not now say, He had no difficulty in saying that Much as he had been' adverse to large standmg armies in time of Peace, he ; began tetther to-be weaned from that ; he coned indulge po prospeft of Peace/ without diming at it through the medium of a large respea able, Military force. helped there were many other shapes besides that of ti?, army he which things must be viewed' to arrive at that objea. if all the attempts that had ad me to diMinish the pOwer of France have 'proved abortive, can those wiio 'succe-ed to t 11&. consequences of these failures beconsiderekras placed on a bed of , roses . ? On the contrary,.not ate Country ,compelled to come to the dreadful op tion either to abide by the 'system prestribed by our instilay situation,' to ahandon . every claim, .of Continental influence' and consideration,, to be lite rally 'the - lobo abdicos orbe - Britannos ; to consider only our own paftictilan situation, and reap',all; the advantages wecan from our ColoniarreSourceS: To that alternative must we be driven, or tug .at the '. most up-hill work to NV'hich any nation was ever doomed ; to go on fighting without the 'least pros pea of success, to continue to weary ourselves out in painful and ineffeelual effort's. Still there may be • more spirit in acting thelatter part:' it Wasa partinore, Worthy the chara&er of Englishmen ; bUt those who had it to aa, were'not -exa&ly placed upon a bed of roses: - But experience taught us that we must . have a British Army. sonnewle..:re, either abroad or at home,--at least• at , home - to resist invasion : he, however, should' not hesitate to say that he would depend tor our security on our naval means, and on the hardy intrepidity of our Peasantry.' We should not look merely at home—true policy ;diEtated other views than those merely internal'. He - certainly, entertained the most sanguine hopes of the beneficial: effe te arising from limited service. Sure he was, that in England and Scotland the inducement, from such a - change in .otit - system, would furnish a large force—as little did he doubt of,the effeeis it would produce in Ireland ; a country that had so long suffer-i' ed, but which he trusted would now enjoy the bless ings of a mild povernment, and under whose au - spices he confidently hoped for a great increase of our Army—for better men could not be found in Ent rope, and never, perhaps, covered the same number of acres. - - Lord .CASTLBIZEiCH and Mr. Fox mutually ex plained. • • - • -•- • , . Mr. YORKE deprecated all party animosity, and thought it better ta.reseNe,all our, hostility for . the Common Eneniy. He was willing, to acknow ledge that the present Ministers had great difficul ties to contend with ; but his late Right Hon.. Friend had left considerable resources, and our, MI: litary Establishment in such a state, that though the present difficulties were of great size,. yet they be came smaller in.proportien to the advantages WhiCh , their illustrious. Predecessor .had furnished to sur mount them. He admired the spirit and.elocinence of the Right_Honourable Secretary (Mr;Fox), who thought so highly ;of the Country, 'though it was,. now deserted and left alone, after, all the, .exertions it . had so strenuously made in the. Comnion.Ca s use„. He deprecated all systematic opposition s tq nisters, unless their measures moula, : prove such as to be, derogatory. to the charaaer_ .of the. Nation. He could. not, however, .help- disapproving the change which 'the plan noS.v. proposed. intended to introduce into our Military .time of War might be pregnant with:..the,racist, mis chievous consequences. ; Resides, we .had alteadi an' excellent Army ; our -Navy-was more triumphant than ever, while that Of the Enernywas almost anni hilated ; this great increase of the Army was therefore not so urgent; the more so, as all idea ofContinental Expeditions seemed to be abandoned by the Rt. Han. Gent.' If, then, there was to no attack upon a large scale, where was the necessity of so perilous an.ex periment ? Though he had not approved of the Ad ditional Force Bill, yet.' he - thought it should not be repealed without ,previously providing some substi tute for it ; the more- so, as it began to be so. pro ductive, since local .difficulties and 1.). - ejudiCes had been removed. His obje&ions to the introduaion of limited service ,were numerous and invincible—it would be attended with none of the good effeas ex peaed .to flow from it. It would neither facilitate the raising of men, or prevent desertion. The Army of Defence was raised for, a limited time ;--yet it was found difficult to recruit for it—why then expert that it would-succeed better ,When tried on a larger scale ? Much better enforce the existing regula tions, and facilitate discharges, than . have recourse .to such hazardous experiments. How would it be viewed by the Navy ?, Why shOuld it not be ex tended to our Sailors and Marines. -He trusted such .a measure would be rendered useless : no pledge was yet given .for its actual introduaion ; and Gen tlemen should pause before they pra&ically gave existence to what they before laid down only in their,'Speeches. He • took the present opportunity of entering his protest against that part of the plan : all, the. improvements' it 'suggested for - the better Condition of the soldier, the increase of Chelsea, &c. &c. he approved of ; but the dangerous innovation of liinited service he must deprecate and condemn, and that with the concurrence of our first Military Authorities. • _ _ General Nowroii was of the same opipion as Mr. Yorke. Sir JAMES PtiLTENEY contended, - .that the adoption .of lirnityd service would rather tend to. di minish than to increase our military establishment, and gave his decided opposition this part of the plan. - Gener2iITARLETON reprobated the repeal of the Additional"Porce Bill. He . had 'nevet- • bet terseen-.. rolls in his life than it exhibited; men frOth 16 to 24; scarcely ,any reached -40." They = produced the finest recruits now in the ArMy. 'The County of Laneaster 'produced' 84§ men.. He'. Wished . he could Say the Same ', of Many great .Counties-; but the - North Riding of Yorkshire 'had produced none; Devon but 3S; and BuCks only 35. But what coult be expelled, when the rising of the men was obstruaed by - the Lords Lieutenafits of Counties ? He was equally averse to the abandoning of the Vo lunteers. They had already reached a' high 'degree of discipline, and he would as sbon go into a6tion with them as With the veteran troops of any Nation. Sir W. WYNNE declared that all the men fur "nished by Devon were raised by.one crimp of Man ' cließ ter. Sir T. LANGIIAM disapproved of the proposed measure. - Lord TEMPLE. would take a future opportunity, to deliver his opinion. He now rose to observe, that such charges as those just brought against the Lord Lieutenants of Counties, by an Hon. (general (Tarle ton), sh6ul'd not be slightly hazarded : he there-, fore challenged that Hon. Gentleman ti? make good hiS charge. - •.• 'General TARL.ETQN said, that the obi Lord misunderstood whiat he had said ; . but he still-con tended, that the Papers on 'the Table would prove all he. had, advanced. Sir `V.* YOUNG, Colone.lS Gli A-7.1 A NI, and CR supported the measure... : _ Mr, atiDDLESTONE . said a few words against, the Motion ; - .after •ltdicch•7'tire .- question was put, and agreed to without a division.—Adjourned at Half past Two o'Clock till Monday se'nnight. MAILS. s AR RI V ED—I Dublin. Dos-- z Gottenburgh,r- Lisbon, Dublin, 3 Waterford. THE . SUN. SOLSM QUIS DICAR YALSUNS AUDEAT ? AT 1) ON, FR IDAV,. rPrat: - 4, 1 806. YESTERDAY., Mr. WINDITAM submitted to, the House of Cornmens his' Plan for the improvement of our Military System. 'The principal obie& this Plan is, the permanent. ncrease of - the Regular Army ; and the means by' which it is proposed to attain this objea are as follow. The Soldier, instead of engaging for life, as at present, is only to' enlist for seven years ; at 'the end of that' period, if he be disposed - to enter again for a'simi--' lar term, he is to hzye a small increase of pay ;- and also a ftirther increase of pay if . he should chuse• to enlist fora third term of 7.years. At the conclusion of'the 21 years :service, he is then to be entitled to all the fall allowance of Chelsea, and the advan tages of that retreat 'are to 'be augmented. - rrt ihe Cavalry and Artillery, instead of dividing the whole term of service into three . equal portions of Seven. Years, it is to be divided into periods of Ten . ) . Six, and Five Years. Itt - the Militia, no alteration whatever is to take• place for the present, respe& to their number, but in future they are to be recruited, not by the present system of ballot; but by a small bounty; and the Militia of Ireland are to be encouraged as . much as possible to enter • - • •- into .the Line: With-. respe& to the ,Volunteers, they are not, after the present year, to enjoy their present advantages ; they are only to be exempted from the; -generai f s training - of the male population of the Country, which forms an essential part of the New System. With,respe& to the Levy en Ma.se, .the male, population is• to: be divided into three Classes : the first including -all from,t-le .age of 16 to 24, the second from 24 to, 32, and the third from - 32 to 40: . oFithese . three Classes, 200„000 are to be - trained for 2G *days • every year,' and are' to receive one shilling'; i ea} elery day they . are The Regulatiorit . of the Volunteer Sys tem are. not to extend te—lreland. This is the general outline of the Plan, which Mr. WIND:. HAM opened 'with his usual ability. He con cluded a Speech, the delivery of which, occupied nearly four hours;' with moving for leave to bring in a Bill to repeal the At of 1803, com monly called " the Levy en Masse A&."—Mr.Fok; we are happy to'state, was well enough to attend the House, and to take a share in the Debate. out. We are obliged from the great length of the bate.to omit the insertion of our Port Letters. The only one which contains any interesting intelligence is from Penzance, which states, that the Boats of the ColpOys SChQoner cut out two Spanish Luggers from a Bay - near Cape Parius, laden with various articlef. Yesterday morning Mr. JAtoxsotkr, brother to the British Minister at Berlin, arrived in town from that Capital. IMmediately after his arrival, a Cabinet Council was -held, at which . Lord GR ENV iLLE; Mr. Fox, Mr. WmanAk, and Lord Howicr: (Mr. GalY) were present. 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