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nuts and manufacturers of Leeds, praying re: estricting the trade with the Brazils. . J. FIELDEN presented . petitions from Tod] worth, Lancashire, praying for a repeal of t hops, and soap, and for the abolition of tit sed taxes;_ also a petition from a parish in La' bolition of slavery, and in favour of the Ten Bill. The hon. member, in a low tone of vol( ons at length, and as soon as he had conclude( . COBBETT rose, and said that it was ridi e ag the petitions of the people to empty benc row upygd that the house be coated. reral mertilirs inteiferedVrith Mr. Cobbett to ap4at Jeßgthstraygers were ordered to. it wider tSorduri'Lg our absence Mr. Cabe ssion into.tire . gallery wciftigfill .J. I.DE:I pi-esentidg4aptitVirogtilte fro arish i "ttingham, praying for a'reciactiolli rn, and the abolition Of all taxes on the uece s ss petition was ordered to lie on the table, a nd I se chair at 3 o'clock. e SPEAKER resumed the chair at 5 o'clock. HERTFORD ELECTION. . BERN AL, the chairman of the Hertford clef t a, stated that he had given notice of his intent ° tat the special report of the Hertford cominittel message might be sent to the House of Lords' lordships' leave for the attendance of the yU mry, and the production of certain of his 109 in the borough, be taken into consideration th' l id now to inform the house that the further pop is subject was rendered unnecessary, in cons addressed to him that day by the Marquess 0 1 , 1 ` 'hich he would take the liberty of reading to,, etter was dated " The House of Lords," an" , 'Mg purport. " Sir,—Understanding that it 0 , nience of the committee to see the agreeinei r vith some of my . cottage tenants, and as soul nice in the way of obtaining them by motion ID I =mons, I beg to inclose one, which I have IformatiOn of the committee. They are all of and I shall have no objection to submit to hose specified in the votes of the House of (. 0 )me delay will necessarily occur before this y are at present in the country." Mr. Bern' are that the house, after hearing the letter, 41 m that it was unnecessary for him to procee ol n ; and he should therefore propose that it be Lion accordingly withdrawn. GARRISONS. d EBRINGTON wished to know whether the man, the Secretary at War, could inform 19 t he contemplated laying before the house tb° he (Lord Ebrington) had moved for respo t home and abroad? J. HonnousE said he had written letters te, !rs of the different garrisons, requesting them sired information, and the returns could not, ide up until the answers to those letters Wee he feared, would be some time yet. He too of stating to the hon. member for Middles' be out of his power to present the returns and on. member relative to the profits of colonels co 'early the end of the session, because a great, officers were residing at great distances abroad d EBRINGTON trusted that the returns relative at home would be shortly laid on the table, ae Lat he would move, on the army estimates belt the consideration of the house, that a select minted to inquire into the salaries of the gov 4 ' , governors of garrisons at home and abroad, ertain whether any reduction might be mad it detriment to the public service. REVISING BA It RISTER S. :he report of the vote of £30,500 to pay the CA rising barristers being brought up, G. SOMERSET asked how it was that two Id travelled over the same ground, and been' ne number of days, appeared, in several lade very different charges. 1 A LTHOR P said, that in the instances alluded ord there were certain expenses common to , which had only been charged by one of thelvi COBBETT did not object to the charges; he b ere very fair, for every thing that lawyers didll objected to making those Who had to vote f those barristers. Vast numbers of the p t unworthy to have the right of voting, but isidered unworthy of being taxed. r a few words from Mr. Hume and Mr. O'C was received. IRISH DISTURBANCES BILL. he question being put, that the house resolve ttee on this bill, COBBETT rose and said that he should consi' ;est of men if he did not object to proceedio) c measure. They had heard of the deeds of i, of Perceval, and of Castlereagh, but he fe' ore the house an infamous pre-eminence °vet The hon. member then proceeded to argue at ;th that the measure was utterly repugnant te, if the British constitution as laid down by ll' one, and alter instituting a comparison betwe measures of the British government with re, rth American colonies, declared that th e poi ght to resist the former as the Americans ha sr. If this bill were more tyrannical than any e lad been framed at the reformation by the ap' ) ; •ers of the reign of Henry VIII., the worthy ' oble lords and - hon. gentlemen opposite,—if it y measure which had emanated from that tyre t were more abominable than anything whit l ever directed against America, what nght ba expect that the people of England would the infliction of it upon the people of Irelo Idly that an Englishman was base and no' who would not step as far for the liberties of I d for those of England itself. This bill, if pass` . mid be sure to return here at last. Mimste sans of conducting their government in Eng' ent system but that. He had very frequeo asure tyrannical, and those who - aimed at f et tyrants. It was therefore necessary to coo was; for all nature and all usage said, that resist and to destroy a tyrant. If he were a t nuch right to destroy him as Moses had to a ter of Egypt, or as Jehu had to cast Jezabel and to give her blood up to the dogs to lick. All that a tyrant wanted was, to take from s of their laliour, their money, or their goods; lay take from you without resistance your F or the fruits of your labour, he will let you 10 roy you. Therefore, know ye, what tyrants .anny is, and when you know it, remembef, resistance exists, and that he who exerts it to " Ay," but say some, "you cannot resist." hat point, and would then conclude. (Immeo ") "If you feel," said he, "such satisfaetioa. ; that I am near a conclusion, I'll disappoint conclude this time." (" Oh !oh !") " Ay, you have got such an army that we cannot .ent." Yes, but the government has got apa that is its weak point. Let them be comp2 l ,, u gold, and then so long as they are compel' se people are more than a match for them. ft' one are more than a match for them. I kno,e, another Bank Restriction Act. I know do. for South Devon recommended them to pi': But what then ? The merchants of they won't deal with the country people so 1 0 ' gold; let the? country people have patience , ,ds at home, and then see whether the raj ye not as much need of them as they have o ', 'Cork. The filthy rags will lose their power, ; e lost their power, where is the pay for tbose i out bayonets and bullets to the- people ? then proceeded to say that he did not intercl .isty's present ministers of a wish to be tyra!', so from nature ; but they would become so Question, question.") Who called quest' hat he was making a pretty long . questio l3 ' t to excite personal feelings against the ould not coax or flatter the servants of the Cr imulate them to do their duty by represc o L his opinion, be the consequences of this se 7eland. He hoped the people of England be inactive spectators of what was about to Le of Ireland. rTWOOD gave notice that on the first opp l ortlO resent itself he would move that all furtper P )e suspended until the remedied measures s" ters should be carried into effect; for h e he) !asure should be passed the remedial mead or probably not be carried through at all % ice that he would move in the committee a cla'' ,peration of the bill to those counties of Leius were said to be committed. He would not k nmished for the guilty, and therefore h e tb of Ireland which were tranquil should be act. H e was an enemy to the repeal of the union, and e he would take aw a y f rom t h e inhabitants of those trail u:, c 's oue argument which th e y mig h t use i n favour of a ure if they were thus to be cou f ouu d e d with the guilty. he st) Pection, that th e S pea k er do leave the chair, was then C carried, and the house went into 0'8.,,, x , COMMITTEE ON THE BILL. . an!.R, AL (the chairman) having read the fourth clause which empowers the Lord-Lieutenant to issue his LirtLhatt declaring any county, &c., to be so disturbed as e, the application of this law, and such county, &c., accrued a proclaimed district, „ANIIIEPT . ' Said it was his intention to move an amendment be any other part of the bill to which it might more _ e made, to the effect that the bill should not extend 1t which related to the collection of tithes in Ireland. „„.,Illiorio said that the amendment suggested by his :'"° Would not be necessary, as ministers had it in ton -loato introduce ,t },,. resort. to the act passed in the last session for the col arrears of tithes. uft;,NINELL asked why not, then, suspend the further col -I,,,Lahse tithes? They had in the accounts which ar ;(_, looming another melancholy proof of the sad con % (.)t- attempting to collect tithes by an armed force. ;'l-Tnotie said. it would be premature to suspend the t '; t the arrears, until they knew whether Parliament , opt the measures which they had in contemplation 41) .Ject. due/ANLEy said it would be impossible that government decided answer to the hon. and learned gentleman's t present. He did not understand what the hon. tp ge a n ti tl o e u m s an meant by a levy by the police. There going on, in which the assistance of the ,e'seshtnetimes re9uired with respect to tithes. One was, of c ti s larY protection was given to the clergy in the col ,,,L_lles due to them; and the other, where it was given iltr collected the arrears for the public on which go si4d made au advance of money. Now, as to the lat- Du l .`, l ask the hon. and learned member for Dublin to [led : ° Y one i ns t ance i n w hi c h any party h a d b een ao,itainst for arr ears of tithe who was not well able to eli , l o refus e d on l y t h rough a sp i rit of resistance to on account of tith e . Il e was sure h e cou ld no t. ‘4. ' and learned gentleman would say that any persons l!led against for tithe who were too poor to . pay, he eo ;_no that his information, come from wheTe it might, "eel- As to the cases of individual clergymen taking adores to collect their tithe, he could not say ; but he f t e ,:ud of any instances of severity. As to the allege t e police refusing to give vouchers when they received f b ad not heard of any such thing till now, and he As ed to h e - • - c believe it collect. ,' w ° / 4 . I . _NE . 1..1, was inclined to believe that the right hon. g r as himself mistaken in supposing that no collec iorefir tars was made f rom p oor p ersons . He had h ear d o f t. area e n umber of 7,0 W having been issued for the re 'o. rs of tithes. lz us e ' e Ylber (nam e n o t k no wn) expressed a h o p e th a t t o} 7ight be introduced to impress on the people . that % l ira of this bill was not the collection of tithes. let sa y .Was the general impression amongst the people; as to get i t was correct, but it would be right so to frame L 4ll get rid of it. u "'"' had heard nothing to induce him to alter his i lie ,i, ilit:v ,- should therefore, in coscharge of what he felt to i ti t s '; ) ", l e, People of Ireland, urge the amendment. He th e - Vn soca a clause few persons in Ireland would . i i „111. 6 .. i. A LBor (of Athlone)hoped that some such clause . :ItiTtroduced. He would not have voted for the first p ou l t , r eadings if he had not thought that some such I N m have been introduced. Id it admitted that that never was the object of the bill, that the clergy were to be paced out of the led Ste ? That, however, must be the case if outrages e tried the clergy in the collection of tithes were ' s led bY the courts to be established under the bill. 0 1L- "RP said that any aid in the collection of tithe th r s e-:) „ 4l ,, te t uSariodbject of the bill, which was for the protec s ,!, ) ; I LY generally, but undoubtedly if outrage or die il. ed Li e committed against the collection of tithes in any i ii, ist.riet, they would be cognizable by the court., mi e,,„,4°L as tithe cases, but as outrages. liii, h . "'lELL said it was clear enough that the great itt, e Was When given under the bill was to be applied to it s i ' ) .once the power was given, how could they 1) tb b `el k iig so used, unless some such clause as that sug ttst„e "n. member opposite were introduced ? ii: wished that the real object of the bill should be Pie °L as undoubtedly understood by the people in gene- 't i,°"Ject was to aid in the collection of tithe. 1 1 4' 1 ; 'aid it was not suggested that the object of the 'ir aid in the collection of tithe. It was not said that al T:e to be sent out one day, and that the next . the i ,` l al were to try those who offered any opposition. at . „ -° ,, t ,, said. He would go further, and admit that it 4 - "° ( . 1 ; ut, then, took at the bill, and it would be " went further than they inteuded. The bill ern verai , acts, and declared that all offences against any Wassu-ets should be cognizable by courts-martial. The should d ig the act embody the 27th of George 111 ? It ij i section of that act apply to the coliection of tithes ? v s it not, then, follow, that the power to . be granted . by bp i ° ,'", be applied in cases of the collection or tithe? i lb' "ten, could the noble lord deny that it was to aid Ject? TA . 18 Y said the clause referred to by the hon. mem -4,14ch persons as shall by force, or threat, or other ' al ls.'' (.1-lear, hear," from Mr. Sheil.) He hoped 1 laehiber, having had his turn, would allow him to 0 Pie act to which reference had been made was 1. 1 7 e Purpose of putting down the Whiteboy system in ah `Pas ordinarily known by the name of the NV hit.e -047" was intimately connected with what was called in ` r Y the WhitetioSt Code." Ministers did not, by 1,-,i't Measure, mean to interfere with tithes; all they '4's, to give to the clergy the same protection, and no 1 0 4 w as extended to other classes of the community—to t'heir property the same protection which was . given ' l J,:ies of proper. property great object of the bill was e Protection of (Hear, hear.) , °! ThuLt, observed that the act which had been re ' ' ti ct which appeared to be followed in the bill then eL_ ,utise, looked to tithe property almost exclusively. It for tithe s far more than it legislated for bond fide i 4 !Pert v Iltfi s . • This measure, he repeated, was emphatically kt e . Itioac denied that the interpretation of the learned 111 . . . W ith reference to the 27th of Geo. W. was correct. i t member would lead the particular clause, .he wouldrth W as directed against "any unlawful combination. to V u ' ' collection of tithes, or any f o r c ibl e o b s t r u c ti on t o L an or any violence used towards lam in collecting I l iss ation of some length ensued, in which Mr. O'Con 0, Keane, Mr. H. Grattan, Dr. baluwin, and several 4,i=nBElt.r el:fibers took part. , complained that a writer in an Irish provin r had called upon the people of the county oi Wex r:,,ak„ their justvengeance on his hon. colleague and '," ter the vote which he had given upon the bill now r 'touse. (Hear.) For hirosen, be was quite ready to One obloquy to which he was exposed by appearing to t t , e 7. any part of the. measure. He wished the hill to be so 4 41 ' 3 °, connect its Operation solely with the suppression of e k ' 4 le horrible system of agitation now prevalent in he ll:ad received letters from Ireland admitting that some 4 ,, 1 s unavoidable, but calling for modifications of its pro -4" above alt, beseeching that it might not be so con -Bto he a prop of the tithe system. (Hear.) He anda4d to the clause a .proviso to this effect, " Provided he it hereby enaCted, that it shall not be lawful for o _teutenant or other 'chief governor or goveinors of tiPply I.he . powers conferred by this act in any way o ~ ~ Or district merely . because tithes shall not be paid 11 (' C li tY or district ; and be it further enacted, that the or of this act. shall nofbe , appliedi in any way for the IV a "Yhig tithes, or enforcing pa thereof." e I, artuaToN supported the ,proviso, and observed that 4. l.°ll tise of the . noble lord (Aithorp) on a former night, e t- tri t that this act was not .to be applied to the levying ba t e , r !t• of tithes, he (Mr. Warburton) could not con tip,' ° Lileetion could by any possibility be offered by the i l d e ° r his coll e a gues - to the. present mot i on. (H ear.) Llia:i .e d the noble lord as being bound in honour, after tw o said on a for Mer evening, to put some limitation q... e, for Claus feculent of the powers ot the law as enjoined by ~,e of this bill, which directly. referred to the 27th ileln-tel3;tain sa . ', Val) 15. If the noble lord refused to make such one, should consider it as a direct breach of t- tit 't the part of the noble lord. It( ft t o olti. said that to the whole of the first part of the p 4 ... 4 et to any the hon. member for the county of Wexford he the slightest objection; lie alluded to that tuerProviiso which emicted that it should not be lawful hi s . t t Lieutenant of Ireland to apply, the powers confer county or district merely in consequence aezil of tithes. With respect to the other part of Uliter's amendment, the aoubt he felt was as Co the misinterpretation it might be liable to. Now, the object of the bill was to regard all outrages against property in the same light, and to punish them accordingly. He did not feel any objection, as he had already said, to the first part of his hon. friend's amendment ; but upon the grounds which he had mentioned, he should object to the second portion of it. Mr. O'CONNELL said, that it appeared that the noble lord would not object to the first part of the amendment, because the first part of it, without the second, would be totally inope rative. He contended that it was absurd to say that this act would not be applied to the levying of tithes, when they would leave the 27th of Geo. 111. to be interpreted by such learned sages as the members of a court-martial. Mr. LEFROY observed that no civil remedy was in any re spect afforded by the 27th of Geo. 111. It was merely intended to apply to criminal offences and outrages against property, and that being the case, he would beg to know whether, as long as tithes existed, their possessors should not enjoy the protection of the law, as well as other individuals. Were the clergy to be outlawed, and was the property to be left exposed to violence and outrage? The effect of the introduction of such a saving clause into the bill would be to encourage the peasantry of Ire land to resist the payment of tithes by illegal combinations and acts of violence andoutrage. Mr. C. FERGUSSON thought that it would perhaps be better to postpone the consideration of such an ainendntent as that now before the committee until they had come to the court martial clause. Some observations were made by Mr. Warburton, Mr. Finch, Mr. Pry - me, Mr. Shaw, Mr. Stanley, Mr. James Grattan, Mr. Sheil, Lord Althorp, and Mr. Perrin, when Mr. LAMBERT said he had not brought the clause forward in any spirit of unkindness; and as to protecting outrages, he was the last person to do so. Lord ALTHORP said he objected to the latter part only of the amendment. If he had expressed himself so as to create misap prehension, he was sorry for it. Mr. WARBURTON said that the amendment suggested by the right hon. gentleman was not sufficiently . comprehensive. The Chairman then put the question on Mr. Lainbert's amendment—" Provided always that it shall not be lawful for the Lord Lieutenant, governor, or governors to apply the pow ers of this act to any county , or district merely because tithes are not paid in such county or district." The committee divided on the question, at the instance of Mr. Shaw, when there appeared — For the amendment - 281 Against it - 81 • Majority in favour of the amendment - 203 [During the exclusion of strangers, it was understood that Mr. SHAW proposed to the right hon. gentleman the secretary for Ireland, to move the substance of the amendment that he should move at the end of the 17th clause, comprehending all civil processes, without specifying . tithe. Sir H. PEEL called the attention of the committee to the words of the clause then under consideration; which required a "district to be in a state of disturbance and insubordination" before the Lord Lieutenant could apply to it the provisions of the act ; and then called upon the committee to say whether it was not a manifest absurdity to add to that clause that the Lord Lieutenant should not proclaim the district merely because tithe was not paid within it. Did it mean that if cess or rent or any other payment was withheld, except that of tithe, that the Lord-Lieutenant was to proclaim the district ? The right hon. baronet called upon the Solicitor-General to say whether such would not be the natural inference, and whether such an amend ment was not then ridiculous and absurd. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL certainly considered the Lord- Lieutenant could not proclaim a district as the clause originally stood, merely because tithe was not paid, and that the amend ment would certainly encumber the clause, and might give rise to the inference suggested by the right hon. baronet, (Sir H. Peel,) and undoubtedly, in his opinion, the clause would stand much better without the amendment. . . Mr. W. W. WYNN urged upon his Majesty's ministers the absurdity of dividing in favour of a clause which the Solicitor- General declared would be injurious to the bill. Mr. SHAW called upon the right hon. secretary (Mr. Stanley) to state his views of the effect of the amendment, as he (Mr. Stanley) had himself submitted to the committee an amend ment, which he (Mr. Shaw) understood was to be substituted from that now put from the chair. Mr. STANLEY said that certainly his opinion was that the clause would be better without the amendment, and that the government agreed to it merely in deference to the opinion of one hon. gentleman. Sir J. Wrottesley, Sir M. W. Ridley, Mr. Sanford, Mr. J. Browne, and several other supporters of ministers voted against ministers.' On our return to the gallery we found Mr. O'CoNNELL contending that such an addition should be made to the clause as would enable the public to judge whether the Lord- Lieutenant, in proclaiming any district, had exercised a wise and sound discretion. To effect this object, he moved as a proviso that the Lord-Lieutenant be required to lay before parliament, or to pub lish in the Dublin Gazelle if parliament be not sitting at the time, an account of all felonies and crimes committed within any proclaimed district. Lord ALTHORP objected to the amendment, because he thought it both invidious .and unne.cessary,—inviduous, because it proceeded upon the suspicion that the Lord Lieutenant would improperly exer cise the powers intrusted to him by the bill ; and unnecessary, 'because it would be in the power of any gentleman, if he thought tit, to move for the production of such a return as the hon. and learned member described. _ Lord J. Russell opposed and Mr. O'Dwyer supported the amend- Ineut, _ _ _ _ Sir R. PEEL conceived that the amendment would not hare been out of place if introduced at another stage of the bill. The clause as it stood enabled the Lord-Lieutenant to proclaim a district or county for every vance other than " the non-payment of tithes." (" Hear" from the opposition.) All therefore that was wanting to the perfection of the clause was the including " rents and county cess." (" Hear," and a laugh.) Mr. O'CONNELL said his fear was that the "tithe non-payment" exemptipn would be got over by some other pretext being alleged as to the ground of proclamation. It was to guard against this pretence 53,-slem that he moved, and he would persist in his amendment. After a few words from Mr. P. Roche, in favour of the amendment, the committee divided:— For the amendment Against it Majority in favour of the original clause - 158 The sth clause, declaring that " The Lord-Lieutenant's proclamation shall warn the inhabitants to abstain from seditious and other unlaw ful assemblies, and to continue in their houses between sunset and sunrise," was then, after a short discussion, agreed to. The 6th clause was then proposed, which enacts " That every coun ty, county of a city, county of a town, or part thereof respectively, so proclaimed, shall be considered to all intents and purposes as a proclaimed district within this act, from the day on -which such pro clamation shall be published within such proclaimed district, by affix ing a copy thereof on some public place within the same district." Mr. BARRON contended that there was not sufficient time given by this clause to the inhabitants of a proclaimed district to know that it was proclaimed. He thought that two days ought to be allowed for that purpose. Mr. STANLEY said that he had no objection to insert after the words " from the day" the words " after that :" so that the district would not be considered as a proclaimed' district till the second day after that proclamation was issued. This amendment was then made, and agreed to. The 7th clause was then read from the chair, to which Mr. O'Con nell moved an amendment. After some discussion time house divided, and the amendment was negatived by a majority of 165. After some discussion on the question of an adjournment of the house, the Bth clause was agreed to, and the cluiirman reported pro gress, and obtained leave to sit again to-morrow. The other orders of the day being disposed of, the house adjourned at 3 o'clock. • TUESDAY. The ballots for committees on the NorWich city election peti tion, and the Longford county election petition, having been fixed for this day, the gallery was not opened until a quarter before five o'clock. . _ The SPEAKER having informed thehouse that the petitiOners, complaining of an undue election and return for the county of Carmarthen, had not entered ustail recognizances, the order for taking the petition into consideration was discharged. General PALMER presented a petition from Bath, for the better observance of the sabbath. An hon. MEMBER presented a petition from a congregation of particular Baptists, at Newcastle-upon-Tyne, praying for the abolition of colonialislavery. COLONYAL SLAVERY. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER hoed his hon. friend (Mr. F. Buxton) would not bring forward his motion on this subject at present. It was well known that his Majesty's mi nisters intended shortly to bring forward a proposition on the subject, and he could not help thinking that a premature dis cussion would be disadvantageous to the question itself, and embarrassing to the house. He therefore hoped his hon. friend would postpone his motion, at least until he had beard what his Majesty's ministers intended to propose. (Hear.) Mr. F. BUXTON said he was as well convinced as any one could be that the question of colonial slavery would be better in the. hands of Ministers than of any private member of that house. He could only consent to the postponement of his motion, however, upon two conditions : that ministers would state by the noble lord that they were prepared with a plan for the total abolition of colonial slavery; (cries- of oh, oh,) and also, that they would name the day on which they intended to bring forward their measure. The state of public business made it ►mperative upon him to comply with the request of the noble lord only on those conditions. (Hear, hear, and some cries of oh, oh.) He found that there was not a vacant day on the order book until the end of the month of June. After Easter they would have the finances, the Church, and India ] to THE LI VEIO 3 OO I, STAN DA RD. discuss : and he, therefore, felt that the present postponement of his motion to an indefinite period would be a postponement for the Session. Now, in his opinion, the question should not only be discussed, but settled in the present Session; because he was satisfied that, if it was not settled in that house, it would be settled elsewhere, in a manner far from satisfactory to that house. However obstinate it might seem in him, and however difficult he found it to resist the request of the noble lord, he was bound to say now as he had said in private, when the same application was made to him, that he could not post pone his motion unless the noble lord fixed a day for bringing forward the question. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the hon member had named two conditions, with the first of which, it was im possible for him to comply. (Hear, hear.) As to the other condition, however, he had no objection to state the day his Majesty's government had fixed for bringing before the house their view of this question. If there was no objection, there fore, he should fix Tuesday, the 23rd of April, for bringing forward this question. (Hear, hear.) Mr. F. BUXTON, when he used the phrase total abolition, of course meant such an abolition as was consistent with the safety and security of the colonists and the slaves themselves. As he had the noble lord's pledge (and he could wish no better) that the question would be brought forward on the 23d of April, he should accede to what seemed to be the prevailing wish of the house, and withdrew his motion. _ _ The order for the motion was then discharged. BEER HOUSES. • . Upon the suggestion of the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, who stated that it was not the intention of his Majesty'y govern ment to oppose the motion for the appointment of a select com mittee on the state and management of beer-houses, the Mar quess of Chandos withdrew his motion on that subject. Mr. PRYME also postponed his motion regarding the allot ment of land to labourers under Enclosure Acts. Mr. ROMILLY was also induced to defer to the sense of the house, and withdrew his motion for a bill to render freehold and copyhold estates liable for the payment of contract debts. OBSERVANCE OF THE SABBATH. Sir ANDR E W AGNEW pressed to be allowed to bring in his bill for the better observance of the Lord's day. He was anxious that the bill should be brought before the house in a printed shape, and the discussion m►ght be taken at a future stage.— The hon. hart. persisted in moving the first reading. The CHANCELLOR of the ExcireQuc a would extremely regret if it couid be supposed that he was wanting in any courtesy to the hon. 'mt., As other hon. members, however, had postponed measures of great importance at his request, in order not to stand in the .way of public business, he felt himself bound to them to oppose the ►ntroduction of the hon. bert's bill. If the . hon. bart. persisted, therefore, he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) should move that the discussion on the hon. bart.'s motion should be postponed until that day fortnight—(Hear.)— The other motions which, according to the order in which they stood on tine paper, would otherwise have had priority, having, by the courtesy of the members whose names were prefixed to diem,. been postponed, in order to make way for the early con sideration in committee of the Irish Disturbances' Bill. The motion was then postponed. IRISH DISTURBANCES' BILL. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER rose, and moved that the order of the day for the house to go into committee on the Irish Disturbances' Suppression Bill be now read. • EXCISE LAWS (IRELAND). Colonel LEITH begged to ask the noble lord on the Treasury bench whether it was the intention of the government to insti tute anv inquiry into.the state of the excise laws in Scotland? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that the commis• sinners appointed for the purpose of examining into the excise laws, would, of course, include those of Scotland amongst the objects of their investigation. POOR LAWS (IRELAND). . . . ' Mr. O'CONNELL begged to inquire if the government at present entertained any intention of introducing , a system of poor laws into Ireland ::for, if not, he would shortly give notice of a motion on that subject, when the question could be argued whether there were any objections to urge against a safe and effectual plan for the introduction of poor laws into Ireland. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that the govern ment had at present no time for the consideration of the ques tion of poor laws for Ireland, and, consequently, no plan to propose for their introduction into that country, neither was it probable that any such would be brought forward this session. The order of the day being then read, on the question that the Speaker do leave the chair being put, Mr. T. ATTWOO n, on the ground that nine-tenths of the time of the house since its assembling had been exclusively directed to the consideration of Irish affairs, whilst the great business of the English nation had been wholly neglected that the general discontent now prevailing in England require immediate consi deration; that the present state of Ireland did not call for the immediate application of the coercive bill, and that the reme dial measures ought to be brought forward now, and to go pari passu together with that bill, moved, " that the further consider ation ot the bill for the suppression of disturbances in Ireland be postponed for the present. Mr. H t:lfiE seconded the motion. Mr. STAN LEY denied that the state of Ireland was such as not to require increased celerity in passing the bill. Mr. D. W. HARVEY thought that after the noble and honest but ineffectual opposition offered by the Irish members, they had better desist from any further resistance, and thereby pro pitiate the English nation, and throw the whole odium of the measure on Government. After some observations from Mr. O'Connell, Mr. H. Grat tan, and Mi. Cutlar Fergusson, the House went into the com mittee. The CHAIRMAN read the 9th clause. Mr. STANLEY intimated that it was intended in unproclaimed districts to allow . any meeting to take place, if properly con vened by the sheriff or any authorised person, and in order to prevent the suppression of the right to petition, meetings would lie allowed with the consent of the Lord Lieutenant, but that no one non-resident in the county should attend that meeting, and if so that he should incur the penaties of a misdemeanor. Mr. FINN suggested that those possessing property should be allowed to attend. After some remarks from Mr. Hall, the clause was read. On the question that it stand part of the hilt, Mr. O'CONNELL remarkedthat it was a curious circumstance that where the meetings had taken place, there the districts had been most peaceable. He objected to the consent of the Lord Lieutenant being required; notice of an intention to hold a meeting should be sufficient. The hon. member moved that the words " consent of the Lord Lieutenant" be left out. The So Limn: Hi-GENERAL considered it would be prudent for .the sake of the meeting to require the consent to be given, as it was better that a body of persons should know whether they were to lie allowed to meet at all, than after having assembled to be dispersed without notice. Mr. O'CONNELL replied, that this effect was involved as the Lord Lieutenant keep them in suspense. The amendment was then negatived. The luth clause, relating to the trials of offenders by . mili tary courts-martial was also, after some discussion, carried by a majority of 140. The numbers on the division being— For the clause 270 Against it l3O On the CHAII:M AN reading the llth clause, Mr. It may WASON moved au amendment, by,which it would be necessary for the Courts-martial to be unanimous in the finding and sentence on the accused parties on trial before them. . The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that a very ma terial concession had already been made upon this clause, as originally constructed, by rendering it necessary for a majority of seven out of nine, a majority of rive out of seven, and that a Court-martial of live should be unanimous in pronouncing upon the guilt of all prisoners tried by them. Mr. O'CONNELL supported the amendment. Au hon. MEMBER (name unknown) suggested that the num ber of the persons composing the courts-martial ought to be the same in all cases, and then unanimity might be insisted on. After a few observations from Mr. WASON in support of his amendment, the Committee divided, when the numbers ap peared For the amendment 42 Against it Majority -104 Mr. BOTCH objected to the next clause, in consequence of his knowing what the House was perhaps unacquainted with, that it was the practice on Courts-martial to clear the Court whenever the prisoner took an objection, so that the case was ar gued by the Judge Advocate against the prisoner, bereft of the aid of advice or Counsel on points of law, often very difficult and abstruse. To remedy injustice, he proposed as an amend ment, that noobservation should be made or cases cited in the absence of the prisoner or of his legal adviser. He recollected that in consequence of this practice being followed, a case where sentence of death was pronounced on a point of law against a prisoner, who had not been heard in answer upon the point on which he had been found guilty. Mr. It. GRANT opposed the amendment as unnecessary, since the Judge-Advocate was bound to see justice done to the pri soner by virtue of his office. The amendment was negatived. ! Mr. WARBURTON proposed an amendment, that no conduct of acquittal should be revised by the same or anv other Court martial or that no sentence should be increased iu severity by the Lord-Lieutenant on a revision. Mr. RouT. GRANT conceived there were grounds for the fiat recommendation of the hon. member for Bridport. After a few words from 111 r. R. GRANT and Mr. WARBUR TON, the amendment was agreed to. The clause, as amended, was agreed to, and the Chairman having reported progress, obtained leave to sit again to-morrow. CHURCH OF IRELAND REFORM BILL. Sir M. W. RIDLEY brought up the report o; the Select Com mittee appointed to search tor precedents in reference to the Irish Church Reform Bill. The report stated that the commit tee could find no precedents to sanction the principle upon which the bill was brought in, and that, as it was a tax bill, it ought to be introduced in a committee of the whole house. .. On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the ExcimcluEa, tse order of the day for the second reading of the bill was then dis charged, and the noble lord gave notice that he would, on Mori day next, move for a committee of the whole house on the subject. The other orders of the day being then disposed of, the house adjourned at three o'clock. WEDNESDAY. The SPEAKER took his seat a few minutes after 12 o'clock. A person from the Trinity House appeared at the Ba r , -with a return of the revenues of that Corporation. • Mr. Crafer, from the Treasury:, also appeared at the Bar, with a return of certain duties which had been ordered. Lord KERRY presented a petition from. certain, oe.upiers crf land in the county of Somerset, against the Black Log Road BA—Referred to the Committee o n the said bill. Lord HENNIKER moved the third reading ut the bill to repeal the Act of the 4th Geo. 111., for the better maintaining the Poor of Bosmere and Claydon, in the County of Suffolk, and for making better regulations in lieu thereof.—The bill was read a third time and passed. Sir R. LOPEZ presented a petition from Westbury, in So merset, in favour of the Black Dog Road Bill. On the motion of Mr. WINDHAM, the bill for repairing the road from Norwich to Windhill, in the county Of - Norfolk, was read a third time and passed. THU, RAJAII OR TRAVANCORE'S DEBTS. Mr. BrirscoE brought iu a Bid to provide fur discharging the debt due from the }rajah and Government of Travancore to Bury Hutchinson, as representative of the late John hutch inson.—Head a first time. Mr. DAWSON inought in a Bill to enable the Leicester and Swallingtou Railway Company to make auditional branches of railway, which was read a first time. Mr. PIIILLPoITs brought in a Bill to amend the Acts relat ing-to the Cheltenham and Gloucester Roads, and to provide for the payment of certain mortgages. Read a first time. Mr. WASON gave notice of his intention to bring forward the Suffolk Assizes Bill, on Friday, the .29th instant. LIVERPOOL SHIPOWNERS' PETITION. . Mr. EWART rose to present a petition from a number of Shipowners of Liverpool, who owned 100,000 tons a British shipping. They. prayed for no additional restriction upon trade, but, on the contrary, for an extension of it. Hear, hear.) He should not do justice to the petitioners if he did not read the petition atlength. _ _ To the llon - ourable the Commons of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, in Parliament assembled, the ham ble Petition of the undersigned owners V British Vessels trad ing from the Port of Liverpool, " She weth—That 3 - our . petitioners labour under many disadvantages in competition with foreign shipping, in consequence of the higner cost of their vessels and the greater expense of navigating them, in the charges for provisions, stores, and wages ; an d a l so t o th e i r b e i ng subjected to many imposts to which foreign ships are not liable, such as the stamp duties on policies of insurance being one quarter, mid often one half per cent. upon the value of their property on each voyage. The South-sea dirty, still levied upon shipping, of one slin ling and sixpence per ton homewards, although goods outwards hiss • for some time back been free from that duty. The Greenwich Doi - pital dues of sixpence per month for each of the crew during tie voyage, and the dread of the impress service—the most unjust, tyro,- mezd, iniquitous practice of manning the navy, resorted to in time of war, and which deters many youths of .respectable connections from embracing the sea service as a profession. " That in addition to the above serious disadvanfa;es, your petitio: - ers, in their trade with Brazil, Cuba, St. Domingo, Java, Sincapon , Manilla, and the Indian Archipelago, are deprived of a large portion of homeward freight, in consequence of the chief productions of those countries being prohibited from use or consumption in this kingdonn " That for the reasons before-mentioned, British shipping caunne be navigated in cempetition with the American and other foreign shipping, when carrycot cargoes to foreign ports, as besides the I'Mfa expense at which tribal - 1 vessels are navigated, they also incur a _ further charge for commission and management to a foreign agent, and have to perform a second voyage in ballast to a British port, or return in ballast to amore distant one for further employment. " That Brazil alone furnishes freightage for one hundred and twenty thousand tons of shipping annually in sugar and colke, nettry the whole of which is imported as returns for British manufactures, ned were the productions of. that country admitted for use or consumption in this kingdom, they would be brought inwards and a great part thereof re-exported in British vessels. "That St. Domingo, Cuba, 'Manila, Sincapore, and the Eastern Islands, likewise furnish upwards of two hundred thousand tons of si, • milar productions, the greater part of which, as well as the produce of Brazil, is carried by American and other foreign shipping to European ports, although actually the property of British merchants, or recess', in return for British manufactures. " That the British trade with China is strictly confined to the Hem. East India Conspany's ships, whilst Americans, Danes, Swedes, and other nations tire permitted to sail from British ports with British goods, freighted on British account, and to return with cargoes of tea and other Chinese productions, to the various ports' of Continental Europe, whilst the vessels owned by your petitioners are pr eluded from every share of this profitable and extensive carrying trade. " That yonr petitioners attribute the present depressed state of the British Shipping Interest, mainly to those unjust and impolitic mono polies and restrictions, and that if the trade with the lit fire-named countries were placed on a fair and liberal basis, additional employ ment would be given to a large extent of British tonnage, now lying idle in the ports of this kingdom, or unprofitably employed in vain competition with foreign slopping, trading to foreign parts. " Your _petitioners, therefore, humbly pray that your ho noura bl e house will take this their petition into your most serious and imme diate consideration ; and that an interest, hitherto considered so im portant to the welfare and protection of this kingdom, may not be suffered to go to decay, whilst the marine of our American and Conti nental rivals prospers by its destruction. " And' your Petitioners will ever pray." He most sincerely supported the prayer of the petition. He could see no sources of relief from the grievances and depres sion under which the country now laboured, but from a dimi nution of taxation and the extension of commerce. Every removal of the unjust and impolitic restriction and monopoly which had hitherto incumbered and impeded the prosperity of the country necessarily would go toward the diminution of tax - atiou under which the country laboured.. He hoped that while the people looked to the direct taxation, which was more iripme diately visible, they would not shut their eyes to that indirect system of taxation arising from commercial restriction and monopoly, which not only indirectly pressed upon them, Liu en the commercial relations of the country. He hoped the sLsLi jectwould meet with the full consideration of Government', It was connected with the sugar refining trade, a trade conside rablys reduced, the manufacturers nut having materials to cart y on their work. He hoped that Ministers, as soon as possible, would give them relief. Lord SANDON was prepared generally to support the prayer of the petition, althoUgh he could not enter into a discussion • f all thte details contained in it. Each sentence admitted of a long and important discussion; but at present he could only say that he geueiaily approved of its prayer. - His wish was,. that as much restriction as possible should be taken off com merce; but he did not agree, in that particul ar , t o t h e f u ll ex tent of the petition, that all articles of foreign produce should admitted to free use in this country. Even on the produce of our own colonies there were restrictions ; and it would intro duce complete confusion into the m hole commercial connection of the country to grant the prayer of the petition to its full ex tent. He expressed his concur' ence iu that Mart of it which di rected the attention of Government to the duty ou marine surances, whirl pressed very heavily on the con ameree.o f thi n ' country. He hoped the Chancellor of the Exchequer would be prepared to give some relief in that respect. Mr. W. tit T Hermits: was of opinion that the utmost freedom should be given to the commerce of this country from all res trictions and monopolies. He sincerely trusted that his Majes ty's government would seriously direct their attenticu to this subject, as he was fully convince - d by that means alone coutti the difficulties under which the commercial and shipping inter ests of the country labours, be removed. Mr. EWART presented a petition from Glasgow to the 8817,6' effect. Also a petition from the bankers, merchants, and•houK holders of Liverpool, complaining of corporation abuses, cor porate preference, and of the want ofudequate inquiry and con trol. The lion. member also presented a petition from the Jews of Liverpool, praying for the removal of their disabilities. • Lord SANDON expressed himself favourable to the remoNal of these disabilities. Mr. GRANT also presented several petitions from the inhabi tants of Liverpool. Also a petition from the inhabitants of Li verpool, praying for 'a relaxation of the severity of the crimi nal laws. Also. a petition from the Commissioners of pollee, praying for the hat °dm:6°n of poor laws-into Ireland. Mr. HATComn,•the member for Dover, took the oaths all his seat, and the Speaker then left the . MARY-LE-BONE ELECTION.—This contest ended on Tue,:- day, at four o'clock, by the return of Sir Samuel Whale,. Ent., in the room of 'E. B. Portman, Esq., who has accepted !lit- Chiltern Hundreds. Atthe conclusion of the poll the numlicrt w.eke 4s follows: Whalley I(i) Murphy' - - '287,0 - - - '2075