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' e..- 7 - -- 4 its •• THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD. • . .... , . - rbe Eiberpool AtanbarTi. Unhappily however, there is one objection to these of our newspaper editors to commit themselves, by thus So much for the opinions of the independent P r ess. not easily to be got over—that they are are false, and egregiously " reckoning without their host." More such might be produced, were they requisite. --‘2.. . - TUESDAY MORNING, JANUARY 15, 1833. may therefore be dismissed to their ignoble rest, along If, indeed, it can be shown that the Dutch question is Since the above remarks were written, we have receive 4 J 1 0 1 with the charge of bribery against Lord Sandon's friends, settled or brought near to settlement, by the flagitious the intelligence of a n even t altogether confirmatory o 4 , c- MR. POULETT THOMSON.—Many of the opinions ex- h av i ng serve d their mean, b ut appropr i a t e pu r p os e, that invasion and blockade, then, though we may still execrate the reasonings contained in them : the Scheldt has been pressed by this gentleman at Manchester, are so dime- of eliciting Bacchanalian c h eers a t an El ec ti on di nner . th e i n j us ti ce an d th ere f ore deny the ultimate policy of closed by the King of Holland; the dock-yards of An ' trically opposed to those.of Mr. Stanley, who came among W e h ave h ear d, on p r i va t e authority, that after the these measures, we must at least admit that they have werp have become a solitude, trade is at a stand, t us clad in the robes of a Cabinet Minister, and invested a d o pti on o f cer t a i n p r i nc iples as the basis of their scheme compassed that end for which they were, more immediately, workmen are starving, and thus it is that Dutch obstinacy . with full powers to make declarations as to the political by his Majesty's ministers, the entire arrangement of it designed. But if n o t, how a re we then to account for the has been quelled, and the Belgian question settled, by the sentiments and determined intentions of his colleagues, h as bee n committed to the heads of the Church themselves., merry cacklings of the newspaper editors ? We believe capture of the citadel ! that we may be allowed to return to a subject that would •in conformity with Lord Grey's own declaration in the there are but two causes to which it can be assigned : the _ • THE FACTORY SYSTEM.—We beg to call the attention ' not otherwise demand further attention. House of Lords, when the Pluralities Bill was under one , lack of knowledge : or the other, su perabundance of spite. , of our readers to an article from the Morninff Chronicle c. ;, Mr. Thomson in one instance descended from the high- discussion : of Jan. 4, which will be found am o n our selections wabus-- er flight of his oration into an arena that reflects equal " I think that our thanks are due to the dignitaries of the Is the Dutch question settled? To answer this ques- from the London Press. It is, indeed g ,earnestly to be I \T church, for the disposition they have shown to meet the public ti on , we must first consider what were the objects of the credit upon his taste and judgment. Whether it was feeling in favour of a reform of the abuses of the church, by the desired, that the attention of our Reformers were more steadily and constantly directed to this and other weighty 'r that he thought hard names best adapted to the refined memorable Convention between fox and goose, Monsieur introduction of.the present bill, which has originated, as, in my le Prince, feu Eveque, Talleyrand and Viscount Pal- practical evils existing amongst us, instead of their rais- o taste of his manufacturing auditors, or whether some na- opinion, all measures of this kind should originate, with the heads merston. To compel the resignation, on each side res- t ' Live spleen sshauld still ooze out from one of those many of the establishment." . ing empty clamours against imaginary grievances, and ...A . Tory-struck wounds, the frequency of which, he so pite- pectively, of territories intended to belong to the other. We have also heard, that one Bishop only, of the unprofitable longings for mere theoretical improvements. ‘ - 'itc . ously deplbres, we know not ; but we find what follows v Have the Belgians given up Venloo Are they resigned . . . whole bench, protested against the interference of the Le- and Luxembourg ? Are not Lillo and Liefkenshoek Let our philanthropists, too, give due weight to the as a —"I have been the mark at which every Tory blockhead gislature with the Church at all, and the name given was tenanted by the Dutch ? following testimony, unimpeachable, as we conceive, when emanating from a Radical journal. —(loud cheers !)—ignorant of the most common princi- that, perhaps, the very last man among the Right Rea. Was it likely that the Dutch question should be settled ples of commerce,—me.n whom not one of you would keep " The life of the West Indian negro is happiness it- . ! 0, Prelates who would have been expected to assume such by theca pture of the citadel ? It is ridiculous to suppose within your counting-houses in the most menial capacity a position. self, compared with that of the poor inmate of our spin- - —has presuMed—(God bless the mark!)—to level his If this is the case—which we have good ground for it. The question in dispute was 'not the tenure of the fling mills." re King of Holland only professed to hold • taunts find sarcasms." Such of our readers as have not believing it is—we heartily congratulate the lovers of the citadel : that, the We _ do not quote this to prove that the state of society . had the good'fortune to peruse this far - famed speech , will Church, of the Constitution, of peace and order, on-the as a temporary pledge—as one temporary pledge among in .the West Indies is satisfactory, several. The question in dispute was, the toll to be paid abolitionists of this country have misapprehendedbut to show, that the and 1 k, . S hardly credit us when we refer to a previous passage in course which his Majesty's government have adopted. naffs-stated the existing evils. Those evils are chi e fly o f ts ' ,tr • it, iu eider to show how far removed from block - headed - It is obvious, that great practical knowledge of the upon the Scheldt, and that on transit through Limburg.hay,, W ness is this official . Hotspur, and how blessed are we in details of ecclesiastical administration, and a thorough ell: one of his temporary pledges has been wrested a moral character, and consequently, can be cured only zeal from the King of Holland : the remainder he still re- , having so sound and practical a statesman -to preside over insight into the working of the present system, is abso- by moral means, which are of necessity gradual in their tains. Belgium, on the other hand, has delivered up our commercial interests. The passage runs thus—" we operation. But they have chosen, by d • inferences from a few particular and rare cases, drawing general . L . lately essential to the satisfactory arrangement of any 'lathing : and what is most of all to the purpose, the and laboriously gathered, to determine that the physical have given—or endeavoured to give—to the people, a measure intended to augment the efficacy of the Na- King of Holland is still master of the mouth of the . carefully participation in political power, and if we wish to pre- tional• Establishment : while, on the other hand, it is by Scheldt. The questions of its navigation and the transit condition, too, of the negro is more miserable than that of / serve this country from the abuse of that power, we must no means necessary, but on the contrary highly incon-our labouring poor in England. We take leave to refer . ° 7 are not one jot nearer a settlement than they were before. afford them the means of exercising it wisely and with venient and obstructive to the concoction of such a Plan Nay, are they as near ? It must ever be remembered, them to the evidence of their friend the Morning Chro- '''' • descketion ;" in other words, "we admit that we have in- as our radicals desire,. and for which bitterness and fact ias the s- suppressed by the greater portion ' trodUced into the Constitution a power, not only untried , precipitancy are perhaps the only qualities absolutely studio usly nicle. but such as we believe cannot at present be exercised indispensable. , of the press, that before the siege had c om mence d, th e King of Holland had offered to abate of his demand of WE have copied from an Irish paper a letter addressed with discretion—we have generously confided to the well- It is obvious that we have now arrived at a critical three florins, and had acquiesced in Lord Grey's own to the Editor by the Rev. Mr. Coll, parish priest of new- ticipatien .....:,'" known moderation of the lower classes an immense par- point, which will probably be marked by a recasting of suggestion for the settlement of the other, namely the in the government of an empire—a participa- parties; and to us it appears highly reasonable to anti- transit question. Will he do so now ? Will he find him- castle, in the county of Limerick. The letter will be . , found in our columns, under the head of "Ireland ;" and . d tion neither sought for or even contemplated by them. cipate, that this very question of Church Reform may be self bound to enter again upon the same moderate and were it not that the subject is too grave fo r r idi cu l e , th e But although we have incurred some risk by thus indulg- the means of uniting those in name, whom a name only conciliatory course, after he has found, to his cost, that style and purpose of the Reverend Gentleman's epistle b ing our philanthropic iendency in the bestowal , of power, has hitherto divided,—those who have perhaps inclined to he has to deal with the revolutionary spirit—a spirit of all would be highly amusing. It seems that Mr. Coll and • we mean to do away with it immediately ; by 'educating' timidity on the one hand, or to boldness on the other, in others the most immitigable and the most imperious ; his parishoners are on very bad terms, and to such a • those who are in the meantime to be the depositaries of the removal of abuses, but who recognise, notwithstand- with governments who have manifested at once their length that power. Some over-cautious supporters of the `ex- ing this distinction, a bond •of sympathy and union, in i have hostilities proceeded, that upon a Sunday, . desire and their fear to settle the question by force ? • pluded' school may perhaps say, 'educate fi rst, so as to the fact, that the paramount and prime motive of both lately, the congregation of the church were called out • . be quite sure that those to whom you entrust power are Are we then nearer to the settlement of thequestion, classes was one and the same, namely, to preserve our if not by some paable ste s of negotiation, at least b • •. - already capable of making a right use of it; but in these institutions in their substance, while, owing to difference 1p p the promotion of a kindlier spirit amongst the parties Y occurred at the chapel, while Mr. Coll was engaged at - days of extended liberality we cannot be bound down by of temperament or circumstances, the one section has the altar. The cause of quarrel is not stated. Christ- i -- -- involved ? Farther than ever. The constitution of • the fetters of such an antiquated prudential mode of pro- been led to appreciate more strongly the danger of human nature forbids us to suppose that the Dutch are • max being one of the Seasons when the priests collect . . reeling;." Mr. Thomson may keep this construction of decay within, accruing from the abuse itself, the other, otherwise exasperated at the animus we have shown: their dues, it is most likely that the fracas has arisen • '' his sentiments in the back ground; but we will appeal to the risk of assault from without, necessarily to be in- than from some breach of duty in this way on the part of the the common sense of the "Tory blockheads," and to the curred duri ng it s rem oval. while they must as necessarily be estranged in heart parishioners, which is ever held by their reverences as a '. from this nation, with which they have so long been most heinous offence. It is alleged, that M r . C o ll h a d uncommon sense of the liberal sages, and ask whether The question of Church Reform is, in its grounds and amicably united, and with whose interests their own so fulminated a curse against some of his flock, and this such is not the real import of the declaration of one who reasons, totally distinct from that of Parliamentary Re- . thoroughly harmonize. • - thus attempts to make himself the standard of all that is form, inasmuch as it is essentially practical. The main Would that they, indeed, knew the real state of public he rebukes Mr. Coll, though, as will be seen, in very gen- I '''' wise and brilliant liberal and statesmanlikel arguments of the Ministerialists, including nearly all the tle accents. " I have been informed," says the Bishop, ' ,i • feeling amongst us. They would then find that the vast This system of giving political_ credit without security nobility and gentry who supported the Reform Bill, .majority, both of the educated classes in this country, and may suit well the theory of Mr. Thomson's political creed were, not the extravagance and corruption of the govern- "that the very Rev. Mr. Coll has from his altar made '''.. of the plain practical men of business within whose use of curses and imprecations directed - against Mr. and 1 ' and objects; but we much doubt whether such principles ment, for they knew that both had been greatly and 1- were imbibed in the experience of his commercial life, or nobly reduced and were all but extinguished, but either province the question more immediately lies, were Mrs. Leahy, of Newcastle, and also against Mr. and Mrs. ' , Griffin, her sister, and family. I cannot approve of such ' 1 whether he has been in the habit of consigning valuable decidedly and energetically opposed to this war. They 1. That the representation of small towns,' the non• conduct," &c. &c. Mr. Coll denies that li e ma d e use o f . would find that it has an hundred to condemn, for every cargoes to the care of those whom he knows to be una- representat i on o f l arge ones , an d th e res t r i c ti on o f t h e . They e 'painted with the common rules and practice of mercan- one that heartil y approves it would find that th franchise, were anomalies : orany curses. " I applied to them,' I " says le, the public tile transactions, however capable of receiving instruc- 2. T hat the popular voice having so loudly demanded large body of persons who, we admit, acquiesce, but only prayer in which the Catholic church . appeals to Heaven tion from him. acquiesce in the war, do so because as yet the remains of against persecutors and evil doers." As might naturally Reform, it had become matter of necessity, and must be the fever are upon them, and they prefer the ministers be supposed, the individuals whom his reverence announ- The opinion entertained by the Right Hon. Gentleman granted. . who carried the Reform Bill to what they deem the on the much -agitated question of the Ballot, cannot be ced as "evil doers" felt very uncomfortable at being thus ' worthy of much consideration when weighed against that The first of these arguments is derived from theory, interests of Holland only, but what are in reality the obnoxious to the censure of the true and infallible Church as contradistinguished from practice : the second from interests of public justice and of the world at large. of' ninety-nine hundredths of the intellect of this country, no doubt they must have had any thing but a merry, expediency, as contradistinguished from justice. Now, They would peradventure likewise find, that the check to CI • iristmas. Fortunately, however, the Bishop sets all to but mark how he attempts to get rid of this vital topic we beg to observe, that if any Church Reform is fit and the proceedings of France, which has made the -to which he stands so inconveniently pledged ; — he tells powers rights. He shuts up the chapel for four weeks: "and proper, it is not foreither ef these reasons. We deplore stop short in the pursuit of their avowed object,—the his friends that unless a strong case be made out for its . • by virtue of my sup • • 'd• • " superior jurisdiction," iction, says he, "I re- non-residence, not as an anomaly, nor because it has now forcible occupation of the citadel with its dependencies , • immediate adoption, he, for one, would be unwilling to es, — call and rescind such curses, if made use of." become unpopular : but because it is morally injurious has been owing to the manifestations of o• • pinion not only Can it be wondered at that the Irish Priests, true to oecupy his time, and that of the Legislature, in introducing • to • •welfare oftime of the spiritual • - it. Now, if the Ballot be a wise measure, it cannot be principles which characterise their church, should because it goes to cripple the usefulness of our venerable of this country. introduced too soon ; if it be not such, it cannot too soon strenuously resist every attempt to instruct and enlighten , and still venerated Establishment, and thereby to obstruct We have never met with a single person unconnected their deluded followers ? It ought not to excite surprise be proved unwise, and so set at rest ;—for in its present the • • merciful designs of God and man, for the advance- with party of any kind, who has not expressed himself unsettled position, it is daily made the means of spread- that the Laity are denied access to that Sacred word, ment of which, and not for any earthly or political pur- unequivally against the course our ministers have un" w hi c h ing far 'and wide a most dangerous delusion. It appears, - i s as a light to our feet, and a lantern to our 1 pose, that Establishment was mainly and primarily happily pursued with regard to this question. But there ~ therefore, that the valuable time of Mr. T. and the Legis- paths ; and that the command "Search the Scriptures constituted. is, we rather think, further evidence to be given, and lature might not be ill bestowed upon this object; —but for they testify of ME" should be studiously disregarded. It is of the utmost no—that would tend to dissever the already discordant to the standard of such a testimony, the elements .of the Government l — then would. their in - between Parliamentary and Church Reform, which our difficult to deal with by argument , will either assail with authority of the Priest to curse, and "the virtue o f the 1 I dividual sentiments be brought into unpleasant collision, adversaries are perpetually' confounding. . A wise sur- declamation and abuse, or pass over with a silence not superior jurisdiction" of his Bishop to rescind the curse, peon will perform operations upon an arm or a leg, less dishonest and disgraceful. and that unnatural union be shattered which is now 'up- would be given (with the idols of the heathen) to the which none but a madman would think of applying to held by the suppression of those sentiments. — To a The Morning Herald is, notoriously, the journal in moles and the bats. Fatal has been the error of our ' certain extent, and on questions that involve not the the heart,—the seat of the vital p r i nc ipl e . The legisla- London most thoroughly independent, and most free of Government in sanctioning any system of national educe- .. ! ture, and especially- the House of Commons, is the a n y connection with any party. lts . opiniona are. of tion in Ireland, wanting that moral and religious great interests of the State, undoubtedly such suppression • is not only justifiable but essential to the formation of a heart of ✓the body politic, in its temporal character. It course by f ar t oo popular to be wholly agreeable to us : character, without which the people of that country can ' Ministry in this intellectual age; but we can neither was therefore that we bitterly deprecated the violent no journal was louder in its vociferations for the Reform never be re sc u e d f rom th e l o w es t d egra d a ti on a n d • lend our support to, nor smother our suspicions of, that innovations of the Reform Bill. „ But as regards the Bill: but it has always been honourably distinguished, misery. Administration which perMits (if indeed it will permit) administrative breaches of the Constitution, which are as even when most violent, from its brethren, by the atten- • . it were its limbs, we are in no way hindered from intro- tion it has bestowed on practical questions, and the ZOOLOGICAL GAR DENS.—We are happy to learn that it is in . 1 one of its members to declare, in bold disregard of its during into them cautious and practical improvements, honest and fervid assiduity with which it has laboured to contemplation to form a Zoological Garden in this . town . .. avowed principles, and to the no small prejudice of his Several gentlemen are exerting themselves with activity in i by the lessons . we have learnt from the martyrs of the promote the interests of the working clssses. favour of this object. From the comparative facility with - consistency and political integrity, that "too much must Reformation, or the philosophers and statesmen of 1688 which specimens of rare animals may be obtained at a seaport not be 'expected from him immediately, nor must his What are the opinions of this, the independent journal so extensive as Liverpool, we have every reason to believe that and 1792. But we are divided by a line broad indeed, sincerity be doubted, if he does not at once advocate all • of London ? Does it laud the Dutch War ? does it ac- the project, if commenced with spirit, may be speedily accom- from another school of Church Reformers, and our means plished. those measures which he has at heart,. credit must be quiesce in it ? no : it maintains that the conduct of as distinct, as our ends are opposite. . We recommend given him until , the time arrives when, having by a William has been at once temperate and firm ; that the • inquiry, deliberation, care : they scout all these as , TO CORRESPONDENTS. compromise of time effected part of his object with the Convention' of fox and goose was at once unwarrantable . satisfied hypocritical devices to elude amendment, and are aid of his colleagues, he may find himself armed withand impolitic,—alike dishonourable to the Governments ire are particularly obliged by B's communication, and will avail ' power by those very colleagues to force upon them those only by inconsiderate promptitude and'boldness. They concerned, and injurious to those classes amongst us, ourselves of it in our nest publication. contemplate the destruction of the National Church, A. W. C.'s poetical e f fusion is received. It has many good points, measures to which they have solemnly declared their who are connected with Holland by trade or manefacture. but is not exactly suited to our columns. as a National Church : we desire, on the-contrary, to uncompromising hostility r The 7'rue Sun is another London daily paper, avowedly We have no objection to insert K.'s defence of MR: NV. RAT H- . make it yet more a National Church than it is, while BONE'S conauct, provided the letter is post paid, legible, and not we are bound by all that is sacred, to undergo every established to represent the feelings of the working too l ong . • CHURCH REFORM.—Our readers may remember that extremity of peril in its support. classes, and it pursues just the same course as the A REFORMER'S Letter, addressed to the Editor of the Mercury,. , two childish clap-trap declarations were made several Herald. Nor is it, in either case, from love to the is unsuited to our paper :—it shall be forwarded to the Mercury- (Sim ' months ago,—the one by Col. Grey, the premier's son, at THE DUTCH WAR.—Great exultation has been manifest- Conservatives. The odds are, that the very next article We thank C. D. for his hint :—it is not our intention to it4rease Uxbridge, the other by Mr. Pelham, the ministerial ed by the ministerial party, and the portion of the Radical to any one on the Dutch War in either paper, showers the sale of the paper to which he alludes. , member for North es Lincolnshire,—importino• that• the press which co-operates with that party , at the fall of the upon them plentiful condemnation. But these prints have The Letter signed W. B. "savours more of folly than of wisdom," and will be returned on application at the Standardtgice. " Chuch Reform Bill" was then drawn up and prepared. citadel of Antwerp : which they somewhat precipitately - not yet reached. that point in the -march of intellect which , ERRATUM :—ln the Standard of Jan. 8, Art. on the Lallot :for The Radical press chuckled at these announcements, announce as the settlement of the Dutch War. has been attained by many of their happier brethren, that "sequestors " read " sequestres." inasmuch as such a hasty 'procedure on the part of go- Unhappily, nothing but the most besotted ignorance of point at which the human mind attains to the full coin- ; vernment would have been rash and precipitate in I all the circumstances of the question, or else a hatred of prehension of a fundamental theorem in Whig-radical LIVERPOOL ;—Printed on Tuesdays and Fridays, in Union Buildings, if John Street, and Published at No. 7, lii,r,h-street, • Exehang , , by the extreme, and , would therefore have communicated a the Conservative party, so blind and so bitter as te politics—that a cause, in itself honourable and just, Q ~AMUEL FRAM:EYE, Stationer, of No. 7, Anson-street. 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