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said that the representation WHS not consti !no,mal, this was only . an argumentative - way of F,t.tting the proposition that Refornr.soas neces tlry. Jf H Clerk, as was ttehoically.,sitid, and not Layman, had drawn up the petitipn, he would have !wen more particular as to tite l precise words he intiothiced ; but could it be said-that the peti tioners had any wilful intention of insulting the [louse? They had only taken. a.short way of ex pressinOlhentselves, and he once more strongly entreated the House not to stint the Actors against ouch petitions, but rather to open them as wide as possible. Lord . 13ttit4iNce, said, the word " rational" might have been in the farmer petition, but the -objection was taken to the word " constitu tional." Mr. BATIIUeST agreed, that it was the duty of the House to open its doors to petitions, and bring the question of Reform fairly before the House., He was sure the House had not all nice its respect to the language of petuiOnS . ; but the question was, whether this petitiint was not in tended to convey an improper impres.ion respect ing the representation of the country ; and the corollary world be, that the House were not the legal and constitutional representatives of the people, who suGred taxation without represen tation, and were consequenty in a state of slavery. Th e p e ti t i o n, in hi 4 opinion, did go to impeach the conduct of the House. Mr. IV,tatn said, the ithly inference - to be &awn front such language was, that the House existed in contradiction to the Constitution.' Those who saw the infinity of.petitions before the House, and observed that they were nearly all drawn up in the same language, trtust. be convinced there were learned "Laytueu" as well a% " Cl e rk s ," wh o knew what they were abont when preparing them. Mr. CALPItiFT, though the language might be absurd, th oug ht th e opinion vet y honest, and as long as they acknowledged the House as the vir toal Rept esentatives of the People ; there was not grand came for rejecting their PetitiOn. Mr. ‘VI(NNa deprecated such itielcss loss of time in the discussion of Petitions, which pro. tracted the more pressing business. He thought the language came as near as possible to that of the Petition which the House had refused to ieceive. .111 r. Lssmots could not conceive why diet - louse *boobd reject the Petition on such grounds as the Noble Lord had laid down. On the first day of the Session one had been received, which asserted, that " the House did not itkany rational and con- Sa4titional sense represent the people." There `was another received, wit ich . contained an absolute insult and mockery, by describipg the [louse as the " Mere tools ol an over-grasping oligarchy.'' Mr. Visa FITZGERC.D thought the lion. Gen tleman who spoke last, had stated stronger grounds than had been yet urged for the rejection of the Petition. The House must now see the necessity of analyzing such Petitions, in order that they Night not re-accept such insults, but reject them when studiously offered, thought with far different motives from what the Petitioners laid claim to. The 11110360 n was then put, and the Petition was rejected. L01(1 COCIIIIMIE then presented several others, 'which were received. It was alterwards agreed that the flutter presentation of Petitions should be postponed , till to-morrow. SPANISH COLONIES. Mr. I:uoirc,n.uvi wished to know from the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite, whether, if a vessel, beating the fLig of the Independent Colonists of South America, who were struggling for liberty, and whom, he earnestly hoped, would succeed— whether, if such a vessel or vessels were to put into a British port, they would be allowed to en ter inwardi under the Navigation Laws. The CuAtient.Lott of the FAcitLiWIIII said, the question iuvolVed matters of fiU Much importance, that he could only give a general answer. He vt as not aware that any obstruction would exist under the Navigation Laws. Mr. Motion /Of then, as for as we could collect, asked, if any obstruction of n political nature %% Amid be made to slid) vessels cleating outwards 2 The Cu ANCELLOn 111 thLt EXCHEQURR IVU3 not prepat to give any opinion on this suhject. ST. DOMINGO. Mr. SttAttP moved for leave to present a peti tion from a Mr. J. Pavia, who had been most cruelly cleated at Cape Henry. The petitioner stated himscli to be a Bri , ish subject, who in lair trading with the island, had come f r om one of Petion's ports to that of Christophe, and had been seized by the Governor of the latter, on a charge of a treasonable intercourse with Petion; put in prison, and tortured with 0111mb-screws, &c. The petition beim; read, entered into a long 0040 of the circumstances, and prayed the House to take his case into their consideration, and adopt such steps as their wisdom might deem fit. Air. Su Aar then presented another petition from e n Gentleman 14 the name of Marston, a merchant of Sc. 4tow in London, praying the !louse to take meastnes tor the pi utection of British subjects boded as merchants at, or trading to tit. Denningo.—Both petitions were ordered to lie on the table. Lord STANLEY made some allusions to the nttm• b, r of Inspectors General of Taxes, the purport of which, as we understood, warto know why three were to be retained, and the other six dis m'issed. Lim CHANCELLOR of the EXCHaatYBR said a very few words, and the subject' was dropped. Mr. TEED moved for Accounts - of th e amount of all sums levied by Prosecutions in tl►e Justices of Peace Courts in Scotland and Ellgilind, for seizures and forfeitures under the Excise Laws, for a period of four years, with the names of the per•ony prosecuted, &c. Tile CHANcet.Lon-of the EXCHEQUER said, the exl►ence of producing such accounts would be enormous, and the lapse of time so great befori ‘ they ennui ho- obtained ; that it was a question whether they would be forthcoming in the next Session of At the 91 iggestion of Mr. PoNSONTY, tlts Hon. titietrom withdre w his lootioo, ill order to make it more limited. SHIP 01114111.5. TnoMP sdia he held a pffition from a ilitifiber of %try rtt , peetable Slip Owners, playing for the vrotertion of their rights aga'nst the pend ing measure of the East India Company. The Hon. Gentleman was proceeding, when The SP'ti.at;Ert obsirved, that the subject to %dile!) the petition related,' had been referred to a Com mittee of that (louse. It was therefore quite im possible, during a preliminary inquiry, to receive a petition from parties who might conceive them selvesritketed by the result . 6l the opinions of that Committee, which was not to be considered as adverse to any private rights. It the Committee recommended a Hill to be brought in, the parties would have a full opportunity.of being . heard.. MIMI'S OF ADMIRALTY. Sig• JAMES MACKINTOSH gave notice, that at an early period after the recess be would bring for ward a motion relati►e to the state and application of the Droka of Admiralty and thd Crown. GAME LAWS. Colonet ‘Voon, on rising to bring forward his motion for a Bill to legalise the sale of Game, observed, that for.the present he should confine himself to explaining the nature of the measure, and should give his opinion on the subject at length during the progress of the Bill. By the 25th of George 11. it was made illegal to sell Game ; he wished that this Act shOuld be repeal ed, and the subject put on a different footing. When this question was proposed last year, sonic Gentlemen had said that it would afford facilities to poaching, but Übe thought that it would facilitate that practice, instead of putting an end to it, he Would not pro Pose it. His sole object was to pot an end to the extreme magnitude of that evil; one by which the British peasant started in that road which ultimately tel him to every other de predation destructive of his morals and happiness. The sale of. game had existed as long as Game Laws had been known ; and the prohibition was of very modern date. This, instead of Stopping poaching, had tended to increase it. The Hon. Gentleman proceeded to enter upon a long ex planation of the different Acts relative to the sale of game, some of which, he observed,ihad occurred in every reign, but all of which, it would be better. now to get.rid of. Nothing could be.worse than the present footing on which the law stood with respect to. game. Fir therefore moved ,for leave t o bring in a Bill t o r e p ea l th e A c t (the of George the Second), and to make other provi sions relative to the sale of game. Sir C. llt:haam. was sorry the Hon. Gentleman . . had again brought forward the measure in which he so completely failed in the last Session. The Game La cs might easily be unsettled, but it would not he easy to settle them , togain. He strenuously argued against the proposed Bill, but would reserve the fail expression of his sentiments on the subject till it was before the H ouse , if it. Should be their pleasure to suffer it to be brought in. Mr. G. BANKES opposed the Bill, as he consi dered it went to pull down that fabric of laws re lative to game which had been sanctioned by the wisdom of ages. Mr. CURWEN condemned the Game Laws, as being from beginning to end opposed to British liberty,' and as being mest tyrannical and unjust. If the Game Laws were done away, and a milder system adopted, he believed it would have the effect of increasing the quantity of game, siod promote the sports of the Gentlemen of the coun try. If penalties were attached to the sale of game, be thought they ought to fall on the buyer rather than on the seller. - After some further observations from Mr. L. WELLESLEY, Sir E. BEYDGES, Sir F. BURDETT, and Mr. IV. IVYNNE, Colonel WooP, in reply, expressed a hope that the House would allow the Bill to be brought in and printed, and afterwards they , could alter its provisions as they pleased. The House dividecl,when the numbers were— Ayes Noes 34 Majority in favour of bringing in the Bill —l2 RENEWAL OF COMbIISSIONS UPON DEMISE OF THE CROWN. Mr. PONIONBY rose, in pursuance of his notice, to'call the attention of the House to the situation of persons holding offices under the Crown, but who were liable to be removed, on the demise of the Crown, unless the successor to the Crown should be pleased to continue them. The Right Hon. Gentleman mats& that, by the 7th of 'Wil liam 111, it was enacted, that if, on the demise of the Crown, any Parliament should be in existence, it should continue sitting for six months afterwards, unless the enceessor,should choose to dissolve it. So, io the Act of Anne, it was declared that seve ral high offices, therein enumerated, should con tinue, aid that the persons holding tliein should not be deprived of tlie enjoyinent ►►f them 14 the demise of the Crown. Now, the object at the 13111 which he intended to submit to the HoOse was, to carry the principle of these two bills into effect, as to persons hol►ling offices, civil and mill tory, dining the pleasure of the Crown. It was a circumstance ►n favour of this !Henson., that it could not he considered to be one of party feel ing.--(llear.)—lt was impossible to say who would be the successor of his Majesty, or who were the persons that that successor ►night to employ. By the operation of the law as it now stood, many of the highest Officers in the Stare, such us Lords-Lientenat►t, Governors,' and De puty Governors, Justices of tl►e Peace, and nil persons holding commissions in the nrmy and navy, moot lose their offices on demise of the Clown, and go through a very expensive process in having,the►n renewed. The s►►le object was, therefore, that all persons holding► offices during the pleasure of the Crown, should .coininne to hold such offices unless the successor to 'the Crown should think proper to remove them ; and that it should not be necessary to talt6 out any new patents for the renewal. lie wotild not then enter more fully into the Merits of this question; but should conclude With moving, that !eve . be given to bring in a Bill, that all persons holding offices, civil and military, during the pleasure of the Crown, in the United kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, in Wales, it, the town of Berwick-upon-Tweed, in Guernsey, Jersey, Al. Berney, and Sink, and in all foreign Colonies and Possessions, should continue to hold them on the demise of the Crown, unless discharged therefrom by the successor to the CroWn, Lord CASTLEARAGii consented•to the introduc tion of the Bill, observing, that he should wait to , re it 4 provisions .before he offered any opinion upon it. Mr. BROUGHAM suggested the propriety of the (louse taking into Consideration the possibility of the demise of the Crown previous to the dissolu tion of Parliament. It was now provided that Parliament should continue for six months after the demise of the Crown ; but he thought it would be better to declare, that, unless dissolved at the expiration of that - period, it should continue to sit without the necessity of a new election. Leave was_ given to'bring io'the LUNATIC:4 I OOII IN MELAND. Mr. PF.EL rose to call the attention of the House to the means of relieving the Lunatic Poor in Ireland. The Hight Hon. Gentleman obierv ed, that the House of Industry in Dublin was for 'the reception of all classes of persons, without any distinction as to lunatic.' Frequent complaints had arisen of the want of accommodation for Such persons, not only in Dublin, Cort, and Tippe rary, but in many other parts of the country. On a representation having been made by him, reme dies-had been suggested of a temporary nature ; but it aepeared that no - permanent relief could be afforded, unless the counties to which the luna tics belonged could afford them some local aid.— He therefore inqui re d i nto t h e accommodations that might he found in each county,and it turned out, that in 24 counties there was not a single cell for the reception of lunatics. Even in the counties in which some provisions had been made, they were extremely inadequate. He should therefore propo s e the appointment of a Commit tee for the relief of the Lunatic Poor in Ireland; and that all Irish Member should sit in the Com mittee, persuaded as he was that they must all be ready to concur in so desirable an object. Mr. W. WYNN thought the measu re hi g hly ne cessary ; and that , to say nothing of humane mo tives, it would be found highly 'economic.. Mr. Rosa stated, th a t th er e was i n Ireland no. house of reception for Lunatics except at Dublin, Cork, and Wtverford ; that idiots strayed -about, the sport Of boys, and maniacs the terror of the neighbourhood. Smile' who had been taketi np were dra g ged behind carts to Dublin, and'suffer ed so much, that their arms were afterwards am putated. Mr. BARING agreed, that there could be but tone opinion on the subject : but there were many counties in England, as Hampshire for instance, in which there was no receptacle for lunatics. If, however, provisions were made fur the accommo dation of lunatics in Ireland, lie hoped the ex pence would be borne locally by the counties, and not by the . nation nt large. It had been called a matter of congratulation that there were no poor- Inws in. Ireland ; and that afforded a stronger rea son why time expence of providing fot lunatics should be local. Al r;,lfnat . stated,,that in, England the overseers were obliged to provide for lunatics, and find a place of proper reception for them ; and that a Bill was now about to be passed, to render the jurisdiction of Magistrates tnore effeclual in this ► aped. Mr. Pm, stated, that there were some excel lent Institutions in Dublin for the reception of Lunatics, and among others, the Richmond Lu natic Asylum ; but they had all been so overstock ed, that,local accommodations were become ab- Aniutely necessary , ; he agreed that the expellee of these ought to be defrayed by the counties. Alter a few words from Mr. CHOKER, the ques tion was put, and the Cummitte appointed. I SEDITIOUS ASSEMBLY BILL. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL_ proposed that the blanks should be tilled up on Thursday, as he had several Clauses to propose. " Sir J. MActut4Tosti presumed that Thursday would also be a proper time for moving Amend ments. After n few words from Sir C. Morloc, Lord CASTIARBAOH, and Mr. W. SrllTrr, the report was brought up, and the Bill committed for further consideration on Thursday. EXTENTS IN MD. Mr. W. SMITH inquired, when it was intendec to bring in a Bill for the regulation of Extentc,it Aid? The CHANCOLLOR of ther , XCITEGIVER intended to propose the-Bill before the present period, but had been delayed by the illness of a Learned Judge in the Exchequer, whom'he wished to consult on the subject ; and be now feared the measure must be postponed till after the circuit. Sir C. MoNCK hoped the Right Hon. Gentle man) was now in earnest : great disgust had been excited, ,and gross injustice done, by the issue of extents in aid since the subject had been men tioned last year, and it was high time that some thing should be done. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that considerable. progress's had been made towards checking the evils. Undoubtedly, as the law stood et present, undue advantages were allowed, which could only .be removed, by legislative interference. lie had made every exertion in his power towards remedying the evil, :and the courts bud been per fectly impartial. Mr. W. SMITH did not Conceive that the Courts had been guiljy of any partialtty ; on the contrary, he complaineil that these extents had been too in discriminately -granted ; and he hoped that no un necessary delay would retard the remedy pro posed.--7-Adjourned. PARLIAINIE'NTARY PAPERS. A BILL Fur altering the Laws relating to the rteraoral of the Poor, In certain cases. Whereas by an Act poised in the thirteenth and fourteenth years of the reign of King Charles the Second, it was enacted, That it should be lawful, upon complaint made by the churchwardens and overseers of the poor of any parish, to any Justice of the Peace, within forty days a f ter any person) or perso n s shall corue to settle in such parish, in any tenement under .the yearly value •of ten pounds, for any two Justices of the Peace, where of one to be of the quorum, of the division where any such person or persons that are likely to be chargeable to such parish shall come to inhabit, by their warrant to remove and convey such per son or persons to such parish where be ,or they . , was or were last legally settled fur the space of forty days ; entity for the discharge of th e said liarlib'' allowedly the said Justices: And unless he or they give lfitittiot. whereas further provisions the were Mattel-by an Act passed in the first!!! the reigi} qf, ,li. lug James the Second, owl 1 :' an Act passed in the third and fourth yet" reign of King William and Queen MOP 00 - And whereas the rents or sums paid MI 10 tburae o f c°lva. hes, and other sailloafl i een g deemed, taken ors , an d adjudged to be 51 7,., interest in lands as to.constitute a rentigolle; ment within the meaning of the said fir t r :; Act ; by reason or means whereof the 0a,',09, occupiers of lands in divers parts ot tliis Ktor , ,, being 'fearful of bringing on their t o I ,' parishes the burrhen of additional por'to unwilling to permit the cows belong iu g r r , in the service of poor labou rers and (''bti,ir,,, persons, to depasttire upon their lands for w o they wait clformerly used a nd accastalned it svilerehrsuch 7 •poor. labourers and other cats ictac_ia s :,,,aofo o ,itxe,ign i el:c i ii,si s ei.eviol)ti ; l,l l :ll.irel l itle e tsloti c if t i t: i p ), r ) i r s t • ed of of a themselvesle s :IT; heiraad i . e o i I el ri ,t i fil° l pfi For remedy whereof, May it please your Majesty, --411 y, 0 . 1 go enacted ; and be it enacted by the " ,i ' i l': ' ,l o Commons, moos, in this present Parliament asse 0 and by the authority of the same, tiat ° I :0 an y persoli ° I. 0 0 Act, ll(3lli.:l).iivlll:tt a pi a' s asiurlicl i tteao f :friMio‘it s lstir) t .i i rfeleall C lljaste l laecta l reisntieeterto t yo'ly C rpifi' l (r l irbi l etsobeosn s aS n lyi:lni e psab:al l iil l :ritrb t l'ipl(tilsciacu vs ilt°:critaYwilieltllislistiha'aiehtnsfhtoei':4ll(iiiiiirS.ll ' Bllll3hitititiecliilliYitrieilinii:li pounds, usciti.teis)dt of af , ca t t r ue n cs l i e , : ro s e the ibte opr v io a s i di V f orti r c e b oa rage 'as atoresaid, shall be.ol the fa°1"111 , 8 :1 1 ;. °11 17)1f. sum, , po or u . tre! rents s o o r r in s i t i l u m is , w whole inocrlocilt,ii?„.ol;t4n a f e paid :for, such pasturage as of oressiii, ' t lie' iirinual value of twenty ru__021:„...e.4 ,:vci);::itiiiii,:asee,,ioyti )l'aeticdelici‘,v)i or CO"' shall, urn sil°bgil Datisty-LANE.— E C.:qtraNeAlAnnetA..:T'fu -----""." .......-----..._ Performed Last NigAt• ; o f P Mr. 'P. 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' AI ~A 11 06 Cr ,t d S' p ir re hi l e ie i ns i i n on o r f t il he Citizens of 130. lio 10r c ulb- te pin . re exem M ilitary i s t s a l r a y has ser :to: 1' I V ! „,tics A new organization of the .Ecclesir blishm - it ent of Prussia is talked et. fit (1 01 , 1 ' Is T i hel4 Hanoverian Diet has been pror°l'-leit fo', April. Previous to PS eePtirtiti°9 sitt an Address erre' 10 to the pniNc. Itaaga•, ioi- 1 horror and • t 0/'•'' I/ Ihdignation at the atteloP oi RoYskiin: ighness on the 28th of aill',l( deirbied ~host: I I ~ i t' attachment to a Prin ce t, hif '' of 0 " i!' diested to the _leers T gl ory and l'"PPiness e „ifo i 1 . 0 , - • he Duke of Catinatpoo " r v eri s Address, for transmission to Loo d°9l q ciously. , o f t' , iii- , 41 letter from s — . r he deo', o f t ' Smyrna c ontai ns it o. 1 ": h j• capture . of the famous Brigond S'.lo,q)''',ll This exploit has so lotig.desolated 6e/1 4 d 1141. € . 1 4 G " i s exploit was performed by the 14— fo o $ . 4 f a . 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