The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser. — Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1833-02-19 00:00:00

MISR RCH. O'CoNma.t. said that upon the motion of the hotil idge a return had been last night ordered tt of all ) ; 1 in which divine service according to the forms 0 es of England and Ireland has not been celebrated 'ears ending the 12th of February, 11433." No ,, Y itly consisted of two or more parishes in i r el,o , „ tell) would move fur an amended return, by inoc,' all the parishes in I re l an d" i n w hi ch divine sers l . ted within the period s p ec ifi e d , so as to obtain t ho lith it was desirable the house should have upon tY, ;MILBURN said, that such a return would afford iecies of information, as in the case of two united? to one benefice divine service could be only perfotC , though the parishioners of both parishes had thr ig it. As he understood the proposition of the no d was that where in the instance of a benefice no du; Led during the l as t three years, it would b e in. the r° , ", nnissioners t o - suspen d the appointment to such be or the purpose of obtaining accurate information, at he (Mr. G ou lb urn) had moved for the return He did not understand the noble lord to apply hisf les. VCONNELL said, that the result of the two returns e that they wo u ld h ave correct information bath 05., e of duty in the benefices and in the different p a t mself 01 one benefice which was more than twen!l 1)'",; t. There were a b ou t s i xty Protestants in the 4 point of it, and in the other parish of which it col* her a Protestant nor a Protestant church. LLTHORP said, that his proposition certainly ap,10. 1 ,1 1 not to parishes, an d th ere could he no doubt that parishes were united under one benefice divine sel; believed was usually th e case, on l y performe d „, ierefore, it did a pp ear to hi m that the return 111°,' ed gentleman wo u ld g i ve a f a ll ac i ous view of the 0F) :tur such extreme eases, just such as that which Od,. entleinan had mentioned, but the return he had t point out suet, cases, while it would enumerate rine service had nut been performed, but the parts d full means o f a tt en di ng d i v i ne service in the pas' Ke,ar, hear.) It was the known practice of the other house re ornament to receive the affirmation of Quakers on Inclo ter and bills of Divorce. The 22nd of George 11. Aeuunaerating the disabilities under which Quakers la .-ateet.'!, went on to enact " that in all cases, wherein by any act oath is, Parliament now in force, or hereafter to be enacted, ie is, or shall be allowed, authorized,. or required, &c. lose inrmation of a Quaker is to be taken—in all cases except 3rie therein excepted." The right hou. gentleman said, in louse that unit n , that it appeared to him to be the bounden duty to r Ir, Pease to make his affirmation at their table. (Cries anger, ear, hear, hear.") He would not detain the house auy fo tlse but begged to move " That it is the opinion of this - Pease, Esq., is entitled to take his seat in this Le oath louse, his solemn asseveration and declaration, in place of , taken at the table." (Loud cheering.) 11,.°5 6ouc troß-GENERAL said, that after having studied the tr i .Pery closely, be had come to the clear conclusion that ear, a l e Was fully entitled to his seat in that house. (Hear, m is 4 „:Lie had that right according to the common law. The ~ akim,ul bea r in mind that there existed no oath upon -that ti in that h ouse b e f ore th e ac t o f th e sth o f Eli za b e th he eoiiis-ture that time members took their seats by right under hat 041 410 4 law o f th e l an d ; and all acts which went to remove Ton wi t l x :° , l law, might, had been, and ought to . be, looked I b eraliv jealousy, and in all cases ought to be interpreted ° Roi 4„ Whatever might have been the feeling with respect 'atlbe v " C atholics in former times , the loyalty of the quakers 'or e, ! l l' been doubted. Under alethese circumstaces, here lnattirno"°Ped and trusted that the house would come t to an Lire i od L is decision in favour of the motion, (hear, hear) and °„ ebh„rudence and satisfaction to so great, so humane, and fhe ° Leued a portion of their fellow-subjects. (Cheers.) /e,,. question was then put from the chair, and agreed to, co„,. 7 , ONNELL said he would withdraw his motion for t: i notice of it for the purpose of shaping it in sac' . iformatiou which he desired should be laid before, the s LAW REFORM. ' I I 3 to ,: IiC ITOR-GENERAL moved for leave to bring in five ' ll es si rc 'edy abuses in the law. The first was a bill to abolish lext r.aa-' re eoveries,and to make' a simple deed sufficient. The L li vers' - „ 8 a general limitation of twenty years, and that, afte!•an lira w e estession of that duration, all claims should ‘ cease. The "id a h 7, 'that a father should be entitled to inherit to his son, 1 4d a r iTaer to his brother. The next was, that where a wife . out er gtit of dower, out of real property, she should only derive 41 not dispose of which her husband died siesed, and which he clai n , uisPose of by will. Lastly, that the husband should have tit th;,°.Pen his wife's estate, whether she had children or not; tike ',lf she had had children by a former marriage he should il th () „ / 1 1 Y, half Mr. O'Connell begged to suggest that " 'ins should be made to include Ireland. Leave given. Th e c , CORPORATION REFORM. kith'H A rccELLoß of the EXCH EQUER said, they heard . on id di complaints of malversation in corporations ; of quarrels, irp o sa ;rreernents, and hostilities ; so that, in cases of riot, the to rtiration (not assisted by the community) were blamed for le ot I,hief. (Hear, hear.) On the present occasion goverri tetoo,:iidr not pro o - e , to brig in a bill on their own responsibt- I ' `L'ey thoughtit best to submit the subject to a committee. ,t4teuunittee-would not only have a laborious, but a tedious but the advantages which would accrue from ~ se of proceeding more than counterbalanced the incon teree. It was not his custom to trespass on their. time by ' li e s a P e aking, when he did. not apprehend any opposition. hei enci r, " and a laugh.) The inquiry into the corporations of h i , 0 , , hould be made conjointly with that into the . corpora- IA LltglaDd and Wales, that the institutions of the two d b ri e' should be assimilated as much as possible.. (Hear.) t s t l' e ause, if the committee consisted entirely of Irish mem ' ' t , ' er e might be a feeling in it which would render the de nte n°t• quite so impartial as if the committee were composed •herohers of the United Kingdom. (Hear, hear.) His lord t` red for the a ipointment of a committee. eh • ViveAN (Aisto9 was amazed that, when there was, so p,, 4 rid such important business pressing for the consideration 4 1 - o v , e , r ainent, it should nevertheless, at so early a period, and e 1 - 1: I° tice, have thought proper to charge a committee of ilii_use with a matter of such vast importance and such mul tien"Us details as the inquiry contemplated respecting corpo kens' ne thou g ht it wou ld b e b e tt er , as t h e government hahad the 8 : much on it se lf u p on o ther occa s i ons , it it were now , as its ow of the ref o r m bill, to propose a m easure t o th e h ouse o 11 responsibility. H e did not con s id er it r i g h t th a t men. oe‘dvcre „prejudiced against corporations —men who were re -01111 t° earliarnent during a period of extreme excitement -3„ lb be elected into a tribunal to pronounce judgment respect -Ir. se orporations. hi h ` - 'sw ALD (Glasgow) moved an amendment, the object of steadas to extend the inquiries of the committee to Scotland .Minof leaving that kingdom to the abused and disrespectful i on,., of a Lord Advocate. Great as might be the iniquities Ilarp which the English and Welsh corporations might. be 4 1 .,V those of* totnd were not a whit inferior; neither pe oi - CeY, inferior the iniquities which the hon. and learned i M e r t "r Dublin stated to prevail in the corporations of Ireland. r • lirat, Th e L L seconded the amendment. fes o ° RD ADVOCATE said he had prepared a measure for the e .., 1 of the Scotch municipal corporations, which would be t t,„" i forward at an earlier period and in a simpler mode than i' fil elt would emanate from the committee of the house. 4i e ' r Y , , which was the duty - of the committee for England and a nail been done in 179.3 for Scotland. In England there 11 , 8 ~,- great number of differently constituted and independent neel a luus therefore no one measure could apply to all. Now, t ll - tr is A in ' Scotland, the whole liberal constitution of the 'te • 1," was annihilated. This was effected by a single sta pth:Y its balef u l o p era ti on th e w h o l e f orm and substance of oe e T.I . elections was smitten and laid prostrate. The nomina -1 inn Tagistrates had originally been in the people; but it was en i r , t ', l in this statute, that, to prevent tumults, &c., simple Per o `" laugh) were no longer to have a part in the election, but tir thenceferward the timingexist magistrates, should nominate ki ,seeeessors. Well, ere was the grievance; wha On„ tee reinedv? Simply to abrogate that ancient act, and to at popular constituencies in the boroughs. (Hear, hear.) st,e,, l leet of the committee would be, first, to discover and e e dd y 1 the evil—next, to provide the remedy. They vi•er Ile,';.rthhoth those cases with respect to the Scotch boroughs. b At o e ar-) • e ,, ll ,,Luilent withdrawn._ vilei "i• W K i (Newcastle-on-Tyne), asked if it were d i t t o:deno lu enc E e Y a committee before its members had been brp,,, kor himself he rose as one connected with a large to state, upon behalf of that corporation, they were to th ): reacty to meet the inquiry of the 1 - louse of Commons , k r e i , lt „ l natiageinent. !ilts s i ` - '' , irs• NELL must take the opportunity of personally ex lircilef to the noble lord his extreme gratification at the cur- Ireland being included in the same inquiry with 41111i1:11:41111tisit:1:gland and Cies He felt more strongly upon the Irit,l l e t b ecause he trusted 'that they were not only about to L 'ai. ate enquiry but determined to correct abuse . s. (Hear, uae ' tk 'le aid no't know a more serious griev . ance in Ireland he li e houe existence of the corporations in their present ati st , Pe of having these evils abated would give the . gre s ate e st . o ref"' to Ireland. The post which annouriced it rioutldrdeo ilee,Tward.tratiquillizing Ireland tban the arrival of tilren y el „ -s • The present condition of the Irish corporattons was 1 3 1 6 , ; -11 ,°Ient of the ingratitude of the English government to ' • : s h u„ subject Catholics there were excluded from the cor- Pe t e 4l , l ,,Ts, under the same pretence as in Scotland—namely, to era,toinult's. The Stuarts gave the proclamations of tfie • e,e -,ieutenant the force of law. Thev made ihe executive 14v, pi . isle4 llle nL alt owerful. Thus were (he Catholics, who had V their lives and fortunes to the house of Stuart, ex f the fro ,. ~ el the corporations, which were thrown into the hands ri grai ,.\-r erriwellianci, who fought against them. This was . vile 4 ,; Art e ` l ,, tu de, such as,' he trusted, they would never see- again. itt r'l. pvi.l".,lrew words . from Sir F. BI:A{DErf, Mr. BARRON, and • Pliii tte r, the motion was put and carried, and the committee THE CASE OF MR. PEASE. TYNN, who was loudly called for, rose alliillisini;l:l NAVAL AND MILITARY . SINECURES. tliE then brought forward, in a d v a s ble sfie e ec r h e ,_ ontinued cheering. lie said he had now troiferre, l ion respecting military and sloenaval_ l ui the house to the case of the hon. membe r _ ,proeltleo theB 0 and to the ie oaths usually administered to membe,s . , oev ery parliamentary proceedings of I then recognized by a committee, that economy in sin that house. He conceived that th a P eo ;,„ , ot d i gauch of the Wilk ex . pendi!ur{: great aud import question—(hear,)—and that they were d. not in a legislative capacity. (Hear.) , i et• tti _liiinti e d fhe c e --! , and that sinecures in civil departments ought not to bad found it necessary to look into se% he n a e i service - s. He was against payments where there Were not ons. The first act relating to Quakers iti ou c i !ssitv of ec H n e nomy; ct for preventing the Alisetriefs and DO, .1 , , ° L tialial and nailltary sinecures. d ' moved t t h w e o s r e c e s e o n l a u , t i r o e n e s e ; m t m h e e first, ed ie g declaringthe obo e, by certain persons ca v e d Q uakers, re el I.l)oiti CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, he should not lbs.' The fi - rst and only case which the c. l ave arisen as to the question of admissi et , i.siu •• 1) ' l'evl ° 4 ' 'These offices annually came under the s question. es° had constantly tin that house, was that of John Arch' h e ~._l l of pailiament, and, therefore, the house had these c offieei rough of Chipping Wvcomb, who, on h r,,';;Ter to check abuse; but, even, as _regal . regarded of William III:, refused to take the 0 i p se tile list resolution ; but the second he should meet with i e . uttlents were in progress, particularly with fespeet to the t . ete im ,... once. prevented f-ser. taking hiP THE EMI:UW.4O. IERT PEEL said he had meant to avail himself of the question for the house resolving itself into a] to make spine observations upon the order in cow jcsty to prevent British subjects trading with ao g forcible detention of vessels belonging 11, ;aw neither the noble secretary for Foreign AdILL General, our the learned civilian, the member for lalst of "whom had spoken with great conticlene Constictitional nature of the measure), in their pone his remarks to another opportunity, which sent, itself on Friday. He wished it to be a l not his intention to enter into any discussion eral foreign policy of the government; he wow the order in council authorizing the forcible tic THE EAST INDIA COMPANY'S CHARTER. ING seeing the right hon. President of the Board 0 L wished to know wh en h e t h oug h t i t likely tha t ! bring the questi on o f th e E ast India Compan y 1 :onsideration of the house. He ventured to sal oportance of the question to every part of the kin), nterests connected with it, rendered it necessati, inch magnitude should not be brought forward to session. lie was aware that there were alrel the house which wou ld p revent t hi s subject frO, rward at present ; but he was desirous of exprel • have a subject of such vast importance brought, !kat of the session. Th e no bl e l or d h ad state d Ow, .ntion to move for the re-appointment of the P:, he (Mr. Baring) m us t sa y it appeared to him that t in possession o f sufficient information upon the 5 1' ha question ; i n d ee d , hi s o bj ect i on was rather to t''` the scantiness of evidence on the subject. tam. said that the importance of the question t ° ., =ober had referred could not be overrated. It era' , the consideration of the governm en t an d the `'`, Che introduction of the subject into the .house deferred to a late period of the session ; indc n to bring it before them at no distant period f,., 1% Of course he could no t pledge himself to t' he expected it would b e before k:aster. lURTON observed that a large portion of the e e ti the committee in th e l as t Pa r li ament was no t y nbers, and desired to know when it would be F. RANT replied that the report of the comno .ed to members a f or t n i g ht s i nce. W ith respe7 , , the appendices, they were so vo l um i nous t h at mposstble to complete the printing of them. - Th owing to any want of exertion on the part of the en indefatigable. then resolved into a Committee of Supply, and in; a supply to his Majesty was agreed to. then resumed. USURY LAWS, NEDY asked whether the Chancellor of the El' that the question of the r e p ea l o f t h e usury layq rr occasions been bro ug ht f orwar d b y the rt,';' lanehestir, might not with propriety be introdu' lezisure 1 me answered, that it was not the intention of ' l ', ad any measure for etreetin; an alteration of He had never brought forward the question '' A frequently supported it when it was agitat, !man, formerly a member of that house (Mr. • I.IIIIIISDAY. ru.s were brought in—to enable th e t rus tee to amend and improve them, by Mr. ToWT for the better employment of the' poor of a P Ird HENNIKER—for a railway between London O r , Grey Sktrvvint—to amend and i m p rove • a f , o r. Lord INIoLYNEu x —t o repa i r a road in the parish 0,4' Iti an—to light the t own o f C ong l eton, with , [tae—for the better assessing and collecting rish of St. Giles, Camberwell, by Mr. HAWES-- - t'' ' waterworl:s bill, by Mr. HoDosoN. rere presented for the immediate abolition of congregation of Protestant dissenters at Idle, in Morpeth—for some legislative provision for th e 1 he Sabbath, from Ewell, by Sir J. R. RE • NO RT n—from Dumbarton, by Mr. CotAirHou'' ej e j Ir. WIGN Er —against the grand jury laws, tit! , ruin Edgworth's-town, (Ireland,) by Mr. g‘ ) ', on soap, from the soapmakers of Kilmarnock,', ;LERK presented a petition from certain WWI understood, of the incarceration of the Re account of his religious opinions. took that opportunity' of observing that a !10 ice appeared to h e d ea lt ou t to differentindi~ ' ! is imprisoned for endeavouring to unchristiall etition which had been presented in favour of ON since, had, to his great surprise, been receiveu i t cheers. That petiti on ca ll e d f or a removal o f under which the Jews now laboured. Such s le 1: them to sit on the b enc h , —t o act as justices tri, t, to do every thing that Christians could 0 4 ,1 oposition of• tnat nature came before the ho?:, as well as every o th er a tt empt to unchristianlPl el he was sorry to hear the sentiments to whit r Oldham had just given expression ; and he 's Government would immediately take the el to consideration. LL thought that government would not overloe is no friend to blasphemy, but still he was o f or, ition of men on account of their relicrious or rdance with real christian feelings. 'The hoe', riled to the case of C ar lil e, and observed that t hey ted against him h a d i ncreasa d his profits : bt'j e system of prosecution was abandoned, his , ased. In his opinion, the best way would luals with silent contempt. Lid that, as a member of a number of inig'`'/ cone ere constantly sendin g ou t i n di v i duals to eoj nations which had lo ng f o ll owe d other desery,p iew not how he co u ld , cons i stently with free ~"f nv person wh o h a pp ene d to argue in favour at w'hich were opposed t o th ose generally adopt' said that the prosecution of Taylor was not a god . He thought nothing could be more unfair 0 , ' 4 ty attempt t o p u t d own fair argument, but ,ttacked by ribaldry and the grossest exhibitiOaw, a different character. AGRICULTURAL LABOURERS. REMANTLE moved for some returns connected Ti which *erved that if they would compel farmers to re of unmarried labourers into their houses, as of the distress and misery of that class of Pe be stood—was, in his humble judgment, contrary to good faith, and in violation of the law of nations. (Cheers.) He con cluded by expressing an earnest hope that the house would take into its most earnest consideration the consequences likely to arise from the continued operation of this order in council. (Hear.) Dr. LUSHINGTON said, that it was the bounden duty of this country to adhere to those principles of national law and justice by which the interests of weaker and smaller states were pre served from the injustice and aggression of th e grea t er . If it were admitted that the peace of Europe was likely to be .endan gered by the continuance of hostilities between Belgium and Holland, it was the undoubted right of Great Britain to inter fere to prevent those hostilites, whether by negotiation, by em bargo, by reprisal, or even by a declaration of war. (Hear, hear.) That he would lay down as his fundamental position. (Hear, hear.) No person could deny that a treaty which was to be enforced by armies on land, by the combined fleets of the two contracting powers—by reprisal and by embargo in the ports of these two powers, that a treaty which was said to be en forced might lead to hostilities. (Hear.) The authority of Lord Stowell fully established the right of laying an embar,go in con sequence of a difference between two powers, though that dif ference might not be likely . to lead to hostilities. The right of imposing an embargo was, indeed, of the utmost importance to the commercial interests of England,. and ,one which should not be exercised, except when great and important objects were at issue. But he contended, that the right of imposing an embar go, existed in every case where there was the least probability of international differences terminating in actual hostilities. In case of a civil embargo imposed by the crown, it was con tended by some high authorities, that it was the duty of the crown 7* come down to this house, and sit a bill of indemnity. But that was a question which they could not then determine, and which it was not the time to argue. This he would assert, that the house and the country would find that this embargo and this - intervention on the part of the British government, so far from being undertaken with a view to hostilities, would be the most certain means of averting them. (Hear.) Mr. BARING said, the merchants of England, feeling that they were in a state of profound peace, had indulged in transactions that Were completely overthrown by the measures of government. The measures of the present government had completely dis turbed the commercial relations between this country anti Por tugal and Holland, which were always in amity with us, and where commerce had always been peculiarly British. No Bri tish interests had been attacked, and he thought, that it was not justifiable, according to the law of nations, that for the purpose of forwarding a diplomatic negotiation, an embargo should be imposed. He was anxious to 'have the power ofimposing this embargo properly defined. • The effect of the policy had been to alienate from us the feelings of a country where formerly everything English was hailed with warmth and regard, but where now, in consequence of those measures, no Englishman could walk the streets without insult. (Hear. The ATTORNEY GENERAL.—When ,the right honourable baroeet addressed the house, he thought that he would have endeavoured to prove that the acts of government were such as to call down the indignation. of the country, and was surprised that he did not call for a vote of censure upon them. They had to consider the question on the constitutional grounds of the prerogative .of the Crown. He apprehended that the statute Law only applied to times of peace. The right honourable gentleman had chpracterised the embargo as barbarous, and barbarous indeed would be the state of the country, if we had not the right antecedent to a declaration of war, to settle any existing differences without an appeal to the sword, by au ami cable adjustment or a preventive measure. The embargo of 1706 was unconnected with any question of war or peace. The proclamation stated that there was a large quantity of corn in the port of London about to be exported. This was merely a municipal regulation; the people had a clear right to export corn, and were prevented by that embargo. Before the present administration came into oiiice the sep . aration between Holland and Belgium had taken place,itnd their predecessors had recog nised the principle of making that separation perpetual. If this di.. - ision was to be perpetual, because it was essential to the peace o Europe, then it became the duty of government to give it fall effect. A treaty was entered into by France and . England to carry into effect a former treaty, to which three other powers were parties. Notice of this treaty had been given to Holland and Belgium, calling upon them to do certain acts within a certain time, and in case or the refusal of either, compulsory measures would be resorted to. He would ask whether this treaty. did not bind this country to blockade Antwerp, and France to send an army for its capture in the event of a refusal on the part of Holland? After referring to the position laid down by Lord Stowell, the hon. and learned gentleman contended that the embargo was not an infringement of the law of nations. Mr. PoLLocx said, if nothing more was said in favour of the proceedings of government than had been urged by his hon. and learned friend, he was prepared to say that very little was necessary to be said in answer. He had looked in vain for any other instance in which a similar measure had been resorted to. If there was a good reason for resorting to this measure, why slid it not appear upon the face of the proclamation ? The case of 1769 was founded upon an address of both houses of parlia ment, and petitions from London, Bristol, Norwich, and other corporations. The proclamation stated why it was resorted to. In - 1801 an embargo was laid upon Russian, Swedish, and Danish ships, and the reason assigned was the hostile proceed ings of those governments " against his Majesty's just rights." i In this case, f they had any facts to ground this embargo upon, why were they not stated? On the authority of his hon. and learned friend, the noble Secretary for Foreign Affairs, an em bargo was issued against the property of Dutch subjects. These may be reasons of state and of sound policy ; if that be so, the earliest information ought to be given to the subjects of this realm ' so that they may know why they are deprived of a right which was inherent in them. They had been told that we were not at war, and that all their proceedings were of a mediatorial character; the bombardment of Antwerp was only a gentle hint to retire and leave it in the possession of the Belgians. If the transaction ended in hostilities, it would be no longer peace, he supposed. To his apprehension, the animus was hostile ab initio. He defied his honourable and learned friend (Horne) to prove that Lord Stowell ever contemplated an embargo under the present circumstances. He would ask his hon. and learned friend, whether Holland had ever been a party to any treaty, agreeing to give up Antwerp. The right hon. bart. had been asked if it were wise to press this question. He (Mr. Pollock) would ask, was it generous, was it just to treat Hol land as we had treated her? The voice of those who feel for Poland was loud in the country and in that house ; but, was no voice to be raised for • the most ancient ally that this country possessed? He trusted that they would never cease to exclaim against forcing our mediation upon that country. ( Hear, hear.) - The SOLICITOR GENERAL could not but deplore the appeals of his learned friend (Mr. Pollock) who, in following the course of the right hon. bart. - must produce a mischievou s effect to the country, whose cause they advocated. But fo r this interference, but for such discussions, the settlement be tween Holland and Belgium would long since have been made l His hon. and learned friend (Mr. Pollock) had attempted wha ipteo. was called in the courts of law a special demurrer—that is, he had argued that the embargo was bad because it wanted a pre amble. The hon. and learned gentleman then referred the cases of 1766 and 1807, and said that for issuing the latter no reason was given. He also quoted Vette! and Grotius on the subject of the detention of the goods belonging to the people of a foreign state, and referred to the Iliad to prove the antiquity of reprisals.. Sir JA,iES SCARLETT said that his right hon. friend (Sir R. Peel) had argued the case in a manner that would have done honour to the profession. The question appeared to him to be, had they a right to lay an embargo against a country with whom it was said we were not at war, against whom a war was not contemplated, by way of a little gentle coercion. A difference existed between 'Holland and Belgium. This country had a right to take the part of either, but no right, in the ab sence of any, to claim to be at war and at peace with either at the same time. An embargo had not only been laid on Dutch ships in our ports, but cruisers had been sent out to bring in the ships of that nation to our ports. If this taking of Dutch ships were not war, it was piracy, and had such an act been com mitted by Algiers or Tripoli, instead of a great navalloower, all Europe would be roused to resent the wrong. Magna Charta had been referred to in the course of the debate ; in his opinion the King could have uo prerogative against Magna Charta. Sir R. VYVYAN, at considerable length, condemned the em bargo, and commented on the policy of the government towards Holland. It was not for ministers to argue on the law of nations or the interests of Belgium; the question was not one of mere legal difficulty—casuistry and sophistry were alike needless. The real question was, How_ was the interest of Great Britain •. had with them ; and now, when our commerce was declining, and our ports exhibiting ,the ruinous effects of false economy, w ii ,m it a time to talk of laying on an en - Amigo to shut up our own trading vessels, as' weal as those of a peaceful neighbour, with out approved reason. The house then went into a committee of supply. On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the -- ExcuEnur , ,n, £3,000,000 were voted for the service of the vear 1832. To a question from Mr. IlEtutiEs, the CIIANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that he should not be prepn ed to make . his, financial statement before April,• 1, which was the commence - - ment of the new financial year; but in the mean time he would be prepared to give, as satisfactory answers as he was able on the subject, to any questions that the right hon. gentleman might wish to put to him. After some conversation between the Chancellor of the Ex chequer, Mr. Herries, and Mr. Hume, as to the best Mode of. simplifying the public accounts, E.25,kti,000 were voted for the discharge of outstanding Ex chequer bills for the year 18.32. £274,050 towards paying the Exchequer bills outstanding, for, public works, building churches, and other public expenditure 'of that nature. £1,582,000 for the purposes (as we understood) of the com missioners of the national debt, as connected with the savings' banks of England and Ireland. The house then resumed, and, the other orders of the day being disposed of, adjourned at twelve o'clock. FOILE::GN ZNTELLTGENCE. FRANCE. PARIS, FRB. 12.—1 t appears that the ministers have decided upon proroguing the Chambers immediately after the adoption of the budget of the current year. The prorogation will be for a very short period—a fortnight or three weekS; a new session will then be opened, and the budget of 18.3-1 will be presented 7, , its adoption will render it unnecessary to assemble the Cham bers again before the middle of next year. Much surprise has been occasioned by the length of time employed by the Commission of the Chamber of Peers, charged with its examination of the departmental law adopted by the Chamber of Deputies, in preparing the report, but the deiav is accounted for by the fact that the Chamber of Deputies lied adopted an immense number of amendments, without much discrimination, and that it requires much time to put them in any intelligible order. The political duels en wave have been entirely abandoned, but a certain General ilulot has been doing his best to get up an affair between himself and the Marquess tie Dalmatia, Soult'S eldest son, upon the most singular pretext that could ever have been thought of. This M. Ilulot is a marechal de camp, or major-general; but he thinks that his merits are those of a lieu tenant-general, and that in consequence he ought to have been promoted long since. It would appear that Soult, in his catiz , , city of Minister of War, is not quite of the same opinion as and that in consequence the gallant. general is destined to remain, for some time at least, in the inferior capacity of marechal de camp. AL Hulot, determined to carry his point one way or other, obtained an interview with Soult's son, and on finding that he was not much disposed to supp or t his preten sions,sent him a challenge, and on the marquess declinin g th e intended honour, the general attacked him in the Tribune, and caused handbills, containing the most violent abuse, to Le printed and circulated in every direction. Various reports have been iu circulation respecting dissen sions in the ,cabinet, but it appears certain that everything is now arranged. Soult and Human have come to term s respect ing the budgetW of the Minister of ar, and M. Thiers, not haying much occupation just now, is about taking to himself a wife. ishLGt U M. BRUSSELLS, FEB. 11.—In the Chamber of Representatives this day a warm discussion took place on the demand of M. Osy i who stated that he had received a private letter from an agent at Flushing to apprise him that the King of Holland had on the .31st ult. signed a decree to cause a toll to be levied on vessel. coming up the Scheldt. lie said that the Belgian Government ought to be aware of that fact, and demanded if the Minister for Foreign Affairs was acquainted with it? The Minister for Foreign Affairs said that he had received no information on the subject, either officially or otherwise. Several of the orators of the Movement expressed their vexa tion at this ignorance, and contended that the Government was bound instantly to proceed to war, in order to,have better teams from Holland. The Minister of JuAice replied, that it was not fair to con demn the government for not knowing what a private agent communicated. They had no diplomatic connexion with Hot.; land. • M. 11. de Brouckere complained that the Government had taken no steps to repress the insolence of the Dutch, who not. only attacked the Belgian soldiers, as they did last week near Maestrict, but whose emissaries traversed ail parts of the coun try. Lie demanded that Maestricht should be blockaded until the Scheldt be declined free. Several members declared that the discussion was at lealt.t premature, and the Chamber separated at a later hour than usual. WEST INDIES, Jamaica papers to the 9th ult. have been received. The much-dreaded Christmas holidays had passed quiet.y, and the island continued tranquil. The only important political news is, that his Excellency had demanded by his Secretary all the documents and proceedings of the new political board—th e , board of correspondence, which w,cre i m m e di a t e ly l a id b e f ore his excellency. The governor expected that the documents would disclose some secret correspondence with the agent for the island of Jamaica in England, and also some proceedings against his high authority in the island, iu ali of which he-has been disappointed. UNITED STATES. New York papers of the 24th ult. have been received. From these it appears that the legislature at Washington was proceeding to enact a law for carrying into execution the mea sures suggested by the President, as stated in our last publica tion. for allaying the opposition or meeting the threatened re sistance of South Carolina. . The Tariff Li.i was in progress. The Committee of the Judiciary, to whom was referred ttt•O President's Message of the 16th, relative to the proceedings of South Carolina, reported a bill, which is ordered to be printed. It. is entitled, "A Bill to provide for the Coiled:ion or Di:tido on Imports." The bill consists chiefly of Custom-house regu!ations, and regulations for the protection of the revenue; but it must ine vitablv bring the authorities of the United States in . collisiod with die inhabitants of Charleston and the southern states. . It also gives new and very extensive powers to the President, and is framed on purpose to afford an occasion to put down the new authorities of the Carolinas. The following is the only important clause in this bill:— "See. 5. Be it further enacted, that whenever the President of the United States shall be officially infornied by the a-Litho , cities of any state, or by the circuit and one of the district judges of the United States in the state, that within the limits of such state, any law or laws of the United States, or the exe cu ti on thereof, or of any process from the courts of United States, will in any event be obstructed by the employment of military force, or by any other unlawful means too great to be overcome by the ordinary course . of judiCial proceeding, or by the powers vested in the marshal by existing laws, it shall be lawful for him the President of the United States, forthwith to is s u e hi s procla , mation, declaring such fiat or information, and requiring all such military or other force forthwith to disperse; and if, at any time after the issuing of such proclamation, any such opposition or obstruction shall he made in the manner or by the means aforesaid, the President shall be, and hereby is authorized promptly to employ such means to resist and suppress the same, and to cause the said law or process to be duly executed, as are authorised and provided in the cases therein mentioned by the act of Feb. 28, Nth), entitled, 'An Act to provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the Union, suppress insurree, tions, repel invasions, and to repeal the act now in force for that purpose.' And also, by the act of 2cl March, 1807, enti, tied, 'An Act authorising the employment of the land and naval forces of the United' States in cases of insurrection.' " VAN DIEMEN'S LAND. Van Diemen's Land papers to the 10th October have been received. The bank had contracted its issue of paper and the discounting of bills, which had occasioned a pressure for money; this is stated to be occasioned by the acts of the local govem fb this is stated to be l o r c u c le a s s s io n t t i t e g d oc b c;s t i l o l n e e a d et a s. T• f e i st i •u e r si e ut f a o l r g n , i ) o v r e i 7 1. ; (meek abuse; but, even, as regartied these Whees, i tn of William - refused to taite the 0 equence, prevented from taking his seat !cl i t eo 72 l . l s were in progress, particularly with respect to the issued unless grounds existed for apprehending that reprisals legal auncinix—casuisti, would . take p lace. in s- settle affected by the measure ? The crown had no right to go to mew.. - statute of the 7th and Bth of Wit'. vy 'ut-governors of souse of the West India islands. seize the shipping of the King of Holland order to the, The real question was, flow was the interest of . Great Britain arrival of the Tribee fhe fir,' Act that the solemn "Ina , toa nt . „as to be one Governor for several islands, and the Affirmation and Dee'j hi s — "overnor each island was to be an efli • Lieu-c a w:lt officer. Belgian question. This country, he contended, owing every could not be clearly proved that. by so doing the interests of Americon ship direct horn the United States, war a' car •o of goods, which was to be paid for by the produce of the NCit'' called Quakers shall be accepted instea d would effectata £16,030 or £l7 000 ear. thing as it did to the freedom of her commercial intercourse war, or to make peace, or to lay or take_ off . an embargo if it • •-• usual form goes on to say that such P",r ° • , ril e s - t departments as savingin that of the Admiralty, there had been with foreign counts ies, ought to be the last to establish a prece- England—herchief h r deeus• e# latanetn—was merce of such oath 'atli , rm, in the presence of Aln" "derable redu .t . that the sentiments held b himself dent of such a nature ; a precedent which, if followed in other England would be advanced. How was it bete ? The coin- , • • feature in the newspapers. The establishments of Copt. Payne L ions so . y, and Mr. Weller, at. New Zealand, had been • - entirely destroyed their statements. Now, he considersd l , it not estroy, the commercial instances, would tend to weaken d had a right to ask why the clear and distinct aspossible „t *ott e - Graham, and others, when in opposition, were not for- a large commercial community, he . severely injured by this embargo. Representing, as he did, a . gentlemen had arrived safe at the Bay of Islands. Mr. Nellyn by a party of New Zealanders at Kaffea, New Zealand. These ; that it u non, they . relations of the country. Ile did not mean to touch upon the were in ottice. xl is est and most distinct Belgian question, upon which he should otter no opinion. His 1 terms, what wer', e "el Wm! IA MS •Iddressed the house under as he stated interests of his constituents should be sacrifi . ed to some theore- tic point of international law, or for the direct advantage of a the Van Dienrin's Land Company's surveyor, Committed suf.: legislature at that period. (Hear, .be e r o etieubPeouliar cir ' cuMsta t nces. Ile had never sun lit to be Majesty's government might be right, or they might be wront , withbut really dthe Ist c as no doubt in his mind that the indulg (! e ,, er of that assendo• He had been sent there against his respect to that question, • to issue an order in interests e on September. •`' people who rejected our commerce, and to the manifest injury • of our oldest ally and best customer. 'I he of Englisii iive his affirmation to all cases where an 0 " . 1t - •`„ se nt. (Hear and laughing.)"lle had never seen his con- council, signed Charles Grevitle—(lair—for the seizure of Accounts from the Swan River settlement had been received merchants, her shipping interests in particular, had been sacri- the shipping of his Dutch Majesty, whi, had committed no pre- to the I2th September; the season had been very f - • h • ainura cessary, extended to his sitting in that '- " ts (i filmotle . ra I - d I •te laughter) until ie went own to t lank • ficed on every occasion in which ministers had come in contact e at fu wins aggression upon us-i-for this was the position on which . there was uo alteration in the state of the colony. fur the confidence they had reposed in him. They had • t le . . THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD. never seen him (great laughter) till then ; and why had they sent him there ? They knew him, as far as his local circum stances went, to be opposed to the utmost against imposing burdens on the poor distressed people of this country. lie had stood a stern sentinel over the public purse. He confessed he had confidence in this government: it was the only honest one in his recollection. If they failed to redeem their pledges to the public, he would withdraw his confidence. All those pre tences he had heard made use of to support the payment of the salaries of siuecurists, he had looked upon as mere sophisms. (Cheers.) They ought not, is this case, to consider the case of those who were to take the money, but the distreised condition of those who were to give it. (Hear!) He believed those per sons in sinecure places were rarely in want before they got them; but he knew his own constituents well, and had witnessed such sights as induced him to believe there never had been such a period of general distress known throughout the whole country as at the present moment. With these feelings pressing heavily on his heart, he must candidly state, that it was his fixed de termination (and this he did emphatically) never to vote away one shilling of the public money, except it was clearly proved to be absolutely necessary. (Loud cheers.) Sir JAMES GRAHAM considered he should betray his Sove reign and the interests of the service he was hound by his office to watch over and protect, were he, out of regaro to a false, passing popularity, (which, he would assure them, he despised as much as any man there could,) to consent to a motion which he felt in his conscience would tend to unnerve the ener gy and decrease the efficacy-of the military arm of this coun try, in both the army and navy,—services which had, happily, imparted, by their exertions, glory to our historic records, and would not fail to transmit to future generations, if cherished and encouraged, all the benefits which this nation had so amply experienced from their - exemplary conduct and courage. The motion led to a long and animated debate, in which a number of hon. members participated. After a reply from Mr. HUME ' the house divided, when the previous question was carried by 232 to 128. Mr. Hume's motion was, consequently, lost. FRIDAY. Mr. PEASE came to table, with a number of members, who took the oath as usual, but Mr. Pease made his affirmation. lie after wards shook hands with the Speaker amidst loud cheers, and then took his seat on the ministerial side. The London and Birmingham Railway Bill was read a first time. . Lord MORPETII gave notice of a motion for making the affirmation of a Quaker equal to the oath of any other person, so as to qualify him for any public office. Petitions were presented—by Mr. SIIIET„ from Lismolin, in Tippe rary, against Tithes. By Mr. RoEarck, from Bath, for the repeal of the Assessed Taxes. By Mr. BLACKNTONE (Wallingford), and Mr. C. CAVRNDISII, for the otservance of the Sabbath ; and by the latter gentleman, for the Commutation of Tithes ; on the latter Mr. -CUR TUTS said, the Vicar of Pevensey had not set his foot in his parish for seventeen years, and that reform of the church was the great demand of the people, By Mr. E. CURTEIS, from Battle, for the repeal of the Malt Tax ; Sir C. BURRI,LL and Mr. PALMER supported the petition, and complained of the ill effect of the beer shops.—Mr. SANFORD West Somersetehire), Mr. L. FENTON lituldereeld ), and Mr. SLA NEY, took the same side.—Mr. WARRURTON argued in defence of the beer shops, and said, the objection to them was, that they took from magistrates the controul of the poor man's recreation.—Mr. Hume said, close the beer shops and gin shops will be opened ; as to mo rality, teach the poor, and they will improve, with or without beer shops.—Mr. HARVEY strongly supported the repeal of the Malt Tax. By Mr. YELVERTON, from Carmarthen, against the election of ma gistrates there. By Mr. HUME, from thellev. R. Taylor; complain ing of his sentence, which amounted to imprisonment for life. By Mr. Sergeant SPANKIE, from Mr. Hetherington, complaining of has incarceration.--Mr. HOME asked if it were intended to go on adding to the 250 victims of this act imprisoned by the Whigs ?—Lord AL THORP said, the prosecutions were 63, and *were under the common Stamp Act, and not one of the Six Acts. By Mr. Manor, from Der by, against slavery. By General PALMER, from St. Michael's, for a repeal of the house and Window Taxes. Lord ALTIIORP, in reply to Sir It. FREEMANTLE, said, he would introduce the subject of the Bank Charter before Easter. TEIE DUTCH EJEIBARGO. On the motion, that the house resolve itself into a com mittee of supply. Sir ROBERT I'EEL, according to notice, called attention to the order in council of the 6th of last November, imposing re strictions upon British ships trading with Holland, and pro hibiting every intercourse with our ally. So far they might have been authorised, but the order goes further anti directs the seizure of all Dutch vessels lying in our ports, and in structions are given also to take by force the property of the subjects of the state of Holland i n the open sea. As it ap peared to him, this order was an unwarranted stretch of au thority, inasmuch as it had the effect of suspending the powers of acts of Parliaments.—Hear, hear.) Ministers have not ventured to say why the trade with Holland was to be in terrupted contrary to the acts which regulated that trade. This order was followed by another, limiting the restriction in favour of perishable cargoes. The power was a tremendous one; it claimed no less on the part oi government than a right to dis pense with the statutes of the realm, which declared that traders are at liberty to go on with their trade to every nation with which their country was at- peace. Magna Charta expressly engages that all merchants, unless openly •prohibited, shad have free intercourse with this country, except in time of war, and then, if any vessels be in port, they shall be detained, but without harm to them, or to any person concerned,' until it be seen how English subjects are treated -by the power with whom we may be iu a state of hostility:—(Hear.) Well, then, are the English at war with the Dutch or not?—(Loud cries of hear.) Nu intimation had been made of it, and yet the goods of Dutch subjects had been seized, without the least notice of a declaration of war. Holland had not imitated us. She gave our merchants due notice to withdraw:—(hear, bear.)- 1-las the order been issued in consequence of injuries done to us? Where have they been made? 'Was there any appre hension ? No public intimation had been given of it. The word emharo had been used iu an extraordinary sense, but the proper one -is, that you may forbid our own vessels from going to a particular pmt, or detain tho6e of the other nation; but the order of this embargo goes much further, it is made to extend to the high E.:ls. lie would ask, do the circumstances between Holland and this country justify the existence of it at all ? From what was it to be inferred that there were hostilities between them? If ministers would tell him (Sir L. Peel) that they had a bona fide apprehension of mischief, he would allow them to be acting rightly, but no public declarations to that effect had been made. (Hear, hear.) The Secretary for Foreign Affairs had said, that England was at peace, and that there was "no war," so that the French expedition was no war, the capture of the citadel of Antwerp by some thousand men, and the loss of hundreds, was not caused by a state Of war ! If there be no war, then there is a want of justification on this score; but the noble lord further states there is no apprehension of war; then again, he (Sir Robert Peel) would ask, why had the embargo been continued for upwards of thirLcn weeks; how were they authorized in detaining vessels and interrupt ing the commercial relations between the two countries ? Nt hen he (Sir Robert Peel) spoke the other night upon this subject, a learned civilian (Dr. Lushington) met his argument by quoting the authority of Lord Stowed, who had laid it down that " Embargoes had frequently been resorted to by nations without any declaration of hostilities." Now no man had a greater veneration for the judicial and legal character of Lord Stowell than had he (Sir IZobert Peel), but he apprehended that the learned and noble • lord did not mean today it down as his opinion that•such an extreme measure as that of imposing. an embargo ought to be resorted to, except under circumstances of actual aggression; but the question was, did the opinion of Lord Stowed include the present case, iu which au order in council was actually issucu for imposing an embargo, and authorising the seizure of Dutch merchant ships, as was done in the present instance. He admitted that cases might arise in which it would be necessary to' resort to au embargo by an order in council—he meant cases of sudden emergency, such as the former expedition to the Scheldt, when a temporary em bargo was placed on the shipping of Holland, because it wss the object of-this country to prevent a comninnication with the enemy. (Hear, hear.) The right honourable baronet went on to argue that the doctrine of Lord Stowell was by no means conclusive on the subject, and proceeded to notice the argu ment of Dr. Lushington, that it' two nations were at war, and that the interests of a third nation were likely to be effected by the collision, that such third nation had a. right, in her own defence, to place an embargo on the vessels of either of the contending powers. He denied that such right existed. No country had a right to seize the private property of foreign merchants, nor to - limit and endanger the traffic of their own, unless hostilities had been previously declared. If this nation bad not actually been at war, he doubted very much that the government would have the right to issue an order in council re straining time commerce of other nations and injuring their own. The hon. and learned civilian said that orders in council were often issued for restraining the commerce of foreign shipping; but let him show a single case in which orders in council were issued unless grounds existed for apprehending that reprisals mid ik oh , - H d 'sd th , - Olt of the government tr