The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser. — Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1833-02-15 00:00:00

lES.—The meeting of the subsciLers to thi l held on this day, "to consider of the Pr ( l a limited number of beds, for urgent case s spensary." This is a very important (l u hat it will be fully and di s p ass i onately con s,, ~ le that the d ec i sion w hi c h may Leconie to 591 ACCIDENT ON THE RAIL-*AY.—The nquest held on the body of one of the unfol on the rail-way last week, has returned a er against th e eng i neer o f t h e • tra i n by ed ras done; although, at an inquest held a' j the Saturda y . preceding, on th e b o dies 1 ,fferers ' a verdict of A cc id en t a l d eat h had . tether the differenc e ' b e t ween th ese two ye p ' ifferent evidence, or to opposite views of th e :, the two juries, w e are una bl e t o say, as no '1 shed of the evidence given at Collins G re en• however, that on the evidence given at rdict was perfectly correct; and we are g, will undergo a more solemn and searching a the extensive mischief and loss of life Ined by the negligence of engineers on the unallest want of caution on their part, 10 ,, rsonal injury, ou g ht t o b e invariably paw no other mode of enforcing , that incessarl,, ne can give security t o the passengers. at, in consequence of this accident, the dir, rated notices to he fixed up in all the c ar' ?assengers against leaving theitseat&duri gainst standing at any time between the r ;rdian. , . [TUTION AND OBSERVATORY.—At the 1 Royal Institution, on• Friday last, the,,, :s, the president, congra t u l ate d t h e proprF ig state of the schools, the number of the 1 forty-live, more than d ou bl e th e number 1 n entering upon them a short time since. i I.luseum will experien ce by th e remova l el ;d, will be supplied in a material degree bi Dr. Reynolds, as his successor in the o attention, the P res id en t said, hadheers F. e to the subject of lectures in the instil the courses given last year, with peculiar e_,, iitchie, of the London University, on BF; regretted that the committee had not, aih ssfut in procuring the promise of a course; highly respectable lecturer on chyznistryA On the subject of the Observatory, WPS e wish of the committee to establish, on a; is great commercial town, M r . Brooks ; atisfaction, and annou nce d th e liberal el of a site for the building.—On this he wa!li seph Brooks Yates, who, after adverting to cadent, and moving the thanks of the us sus proceeded:—"Exactly two hundred' ?.d since our illustrio us townsman, Jer: iced, at the early age o f seventeen, those 4 r o cal researches and calculations which tbf ,bourn of Kepler and other eminent mens. o elebrity upon the place of his birth. He it s, Salvilian professor at Oxford in 1683)i ittle village called Toxteth, near the teal e from London and from the two Univer contend with narrow circumstances, a I nd advisers, and other impediments to y t guide or companion i n 'h is pursuit, atll; science, he was aided in his astronomical ,' )3 , an ardent thirst after knowledge, all .A ice in the attainment of it."—Epist. Nwil nued Mr. Y.) our distinguished townsreal l ich during a short life, under all the iull :ribed, and when Liverpool was little a': ace, surely the present inhabita n t s , ; vial , mtensive libraries, and comm erc i a l greatll t ) follow up so splendid an examplef ---V A , g a motion, propo se d b y th e R ev. Dr. R an dr. Langton, f or th e warmest t h anks o f bi . Traill, with th e e xpress i on o f their ra s of this exc e ll en t f rien d to t h e install'', eclamation. iTTLE ON SUNDAYS.—The landing of, i and coastwi s e on th e S a bb at h d ay was ' s nuisance in this town, arriving, as theY middle of the day, and being driven thr i s, and, of cour se , p as t many o f the placesi he annoyance and great un e as i ness of ) ,; 'lions. The evil resu lt s o f suc h a d e secv, h was painfully experienced, and the OA unction with the owners of steam-ves, to the nuisance ; and alth o u g h thi s h as 1, 4 iy the cattle being now driven to ma 4 is of the town, s ti l l a ll h as not b een e ff e L i ight to be, in or d er t o preserve the sau cy,' illy aware of this, hi s wors hi p t h e Misr; rected his earnest attention to the o bj e ci j i; the demoralizing tendency of which r, conjunction with his brother magistr credit, come to the determination of . .:tice of which the inconvenience and of ut and so extensively felt. In this re. 1 local authorities will meet with that support and co-operation from the ship as the owners of vessels engaged in the' render it unnecessary to have recourse ensures to secure a due observance ot, ,vi >hied is a copy of the notice transmit' parries interested in the cattle trade : - '4 mirateS of Liverpool being deeply a n xigOi .ante of the Sabbath, and having long vie • desecration of it, by the landing of cattl e b i Mg them through the streets on Sunday % i ?arnestly, to appeal to the owners of stc"j Ile trade, and to the shippers and importer:i i in putting an end to so oljectionable a P ', jeet, it will be necessary that the stock sill the week than. Friday in Dublin, and atj rs as will permit th e s t eam- b oats, under ai" rrive at Liverpool on Saturd a y. 4 1 is nature would remove the offen ce witil , y of the law, and might, it is to be hopec. l l4 advantage to the owners of stock, by g rest previous to their exposure for salew for any inconvenience th a t t h ey might alw, strates therefore earnestly entreat all pool a facilitate the ab ove proposed arrange o' d • means in their power, the accomplish' 33. —The Right Hon. Lords of the • 1. 1 • Saturday to hear appeals horn the C' r . s of petitions had b een di spose d o f , the Li an appeal from the Court of Excheq:ti r. Mr. John Burrow, claiming the ffille of foreign spirits, were resumed. w as ther the importation of the spirit s his was decid e d in f avour of the aPP : as then ent er i n t o , i n w hi ch the c.licet,, •espondent. It was a 91,,,5ti0n or rico , brandy or spirits of moo. A q fhe l ato on both sides on this point. ' ourned. ENTS. — Colonel Campbell late See to Fe de B og ota, has set o ut, with i andria, on a mission to the Paella yto arrive in time to be too late. Lo brother-in-law, not long a go promot Lion—no bad affair —has been, alm !wed at the Court of Naples, advance: ble embassy of Constantinople. I,i? )me time, we b e li eve, en rou t e f or W, ere he is, and w h en h e w ill arrive, 0" ers, and we believe the ministry 04 1 s. It must, however, be a source eformers to see that the " family-tne o rdiun. )N.—The Standing Committee of I, b l Iled on Thursday, at the desire of tar official communicati on f rom th e o , c ; asury minute, but m uc h t oo l on g point of general interest was the a!' Mit., feeling was every day stronger ion of slavery; that all investigati c r I to raise the opinion still stroilf- e , the ministers would not move the r t f Investigation of last session ; neve r ' interest brought forward the questic nisters w ou ld no t o pp ose the reotiu°' ndia Body was, that they invited ssue with ministers as to public cr reaction in their favour. Theyle" h ministers, to receive a common" ir announced by the Chancellor of tbi be brought forward by the m inisteroj Vest India pack e t m i g ht be detaine to something decisive on the questie o among the slaves might take plaeei weeded to. So rests the quest% ,ll ce Current. I _1: IT RIA I, PARLIAMENT. ( Continued from page 195.) t CGOO,OOO as a f a i r ca l cu l a ti on . A ccor di ng th en to the state. In he had made, the bishops receive £130,000; and the deans ilq chapters, not the holders of other benefices receive,E2ooo, n'l the amount of the other benefices was £600,000, so that the t ai revenues of the church of Ireland applicable to its support ',,le maintenance did not exceed, in round numbers, £BOO,OOO. a noble lord observed that he proposed to make an augmen tion to the livings under the value of £lOO per annum, for it as well known that there were nearly 2000 livings in Ireland, ' incomes of which were less than that sum, and it would be i 'tie on the principle that the prop er ty o f t h e c h urc h oug h t to Made available towards supplying any deficiency in the in 'Ries of the working members of it. They had considered the atter of first fruits, and thought of proposing a new valuation aleni, but in conse quence o f the difficulties which lay iu the of such a measure, it had, been thought preferable to raise s 'po , by a per cen t age upon t h e i ncomes of the liv i ngs on t hi s ~ 7c;—those from £•200 per annum up to £5OO, to suffer a auction of 5 per cent.; those between £5OO to £BOO seven hole., and from £BO to 1:1200 ten per cent. Upon the average this would be about seventeen or twenty per cent. '. this scale he (Lord Althorp) proposed to include the dean -leg and chapters ; but as the ratio, if it were suffered to go ' to the higher dignitaries of the church, would become too r at, (f or i t was to b e remembered that the necessary expenses bishops requir e d some larger means to defray,) another scale d been proposed for them, namely, those above E. , 1,090 a-year I b Pay 5 per cent_ • those above £6,000 a )ear, 7 per cent. ; and °ye £1.0,000, Is ' per cent. To these proposals he did not ex •et to have any strong opposition. (Hear, hear.) He now . 'le to the bishopricof Derry, which, falling vacant some !lie since, had been filled up, subject to any arrangement `itch might be made subsequently ; that time was come. The 'tole income of this see was £12,159. It was proposed to re ee this to £B,OOO, liable still to the deduction already . men „'acii, which would fix the value at L 7,200. To receive the -t4 lel f a m nd onev which fall in, it was proposed that a board ?commissioners, consisting of English churchmen, should be , I l i iiinted, who should also transact the business connected with ''s..e changes. There shad been many well-founded complaints as regards the payment of the different rates, he ro eess, vestry rate, first fruits, &c. that in a parish fro the majority of the inhabitants were , Catholics, Protest "ts, and those often only a few, should direct the assessments. i, ver niaent, therefore, considering the hardships inflicted upon M ire aboliti on had come to the determination of proposing the „"e aboliti on o f t h em a ll . (L ou d cries of Hear, which conti rdo ,Lor some time.) The amount thus reduced would be about a ,'''° o ; but it was expected that a sum sufficient would be ' h e(' by other means to meet the expenses which had com -I°lllY been met by those rates. The fund expected from the already proposed, was to be directed, under the manage ,e,,4l- of the commissioners already mentioned, to the building 'giti'i r.epairing of glebe houses, new churches, &c., upon the n' laid down in English acts of Parliament. In order to Prevent churches being built when not absolutely necessary, te would be required before the building commenced, that a I% . it r tain portion of the inhabitants should have subscribed to thucds it, which would be done if they had any desire t? have a. p i , e h among them. But there were other matters of impor 4. to be noticed. The primate of Ireland possessed an an ti.,,, income of £14,422; it would be proposed to reduce this to ,ti„",, 0 00, liable still to the per centage. With respect to deane -14 and chapters, which were unconnected with the cure of t 4 ' 3 , it would be desirable to abolish them; or where possible tt: t tach the cure of souls to them, to make them efficient. In I, 4l :age of livings where no duty is performed, it would be thoht that w h ere no serv i ce h a d b een per f orme d f or t h e l ast th e years, th e comm i ss i oners s h ou ld b e i ns t ruc t e d t o su s pend tio4t'7'3opointruent, in the event of a vacancy, at their discre kid, till it was ascertained whether a duty was required or not, 8 4 accordingly appoint some one to the vacancy, or keep it tlie rtld ed, as circumstances altered, the revenue to be going to be co mm fund. A great deal had been said about the num the s'' ' tile bishop s which was said to be too large. Considering cie 4 ex tent of their duties, he thought 22 was more than suffi the .and the m a turest reflection had decided government in t w a Pthion that 10 bishoprics might be spayed. (Hear, hear.) atlq r 8,.; therefor e , p r oposed that the Archbishopricks of Cashel IliBh “ialli should be reduced to Bishopricks, and that ten onricks should be abolished, • and the duties transferred ,V , l ° , t i, h er sees viz. Dromore to Down Raphoe to Deny; f•:l o Zaj e r to A'rmag . h; Elphin to Kilmore ; Killala to Tuam; ' (1 4 0 - r ett to Killaloe; Cott to Cloque; aterford to Cashel; te e 3 Yto Ferns,. and Kildare to Dublin. The incomes of the the '' abolished were of course to• go to the augmentation of stlp,_stnaller livings, so that the incumbents might be able to NitTrt themselves in the situation becoming clergymen and the ea len• Another point to be considered was the , state of A t 'ela.tions between the tenants and the bishops as landlords. a Tescnt the bishop was in. the habit of letting the land upon th; Years' lease, and renewing these leases every year upon o f t ent of fines, which indeed constituted a great portion ab odi eir r evenue. The common value of episcopal lands was t ot - 4 12 , 1- 7., years' purchase , but it was in the power of a bishop Jr, :ll nis life against the tenant, who might thus be driven ren t • a farm• which the family had held for years, and the k r° i ncreased to the next comer. He (Lord Althorp) was de- W 0 4 11 ,8 that there should be some fixed rent, and therefore ch at , advise, that upon the tender of six and a half years' pu.r -15 ~,'e hy the tenant, he should be able to hold the land in 4 4e.tuity, at the rent at first agreed upon. By these means tor e „` e mpt at raising their rents would be made by the bishops tlu eth 'Y Purpose whatever, and their salaries could remain lin eal). ' a ting. The tenant would be - encouraged to lay out his I th o et i r ti Lwithout any apprehension , lest he should become a any exertions of the bishop to increase the value of hi ,„„Propertv. The whole of the revenues which might remain illti - ,„,"equence of all the alterations was to be disposed of 114 1 . — A a ;4 e, 1 3' according to the directions of Parliament. As to itif,,,Lies, as the livings became vacant they would be ex- Whi t s,',eu into, with a view to learn which should be retained or -p h " to lapse, as had already been mentioned. tpili, e noble lord, after some further observations concluded as Al i - „ ws , .----" Sir, I have now stated the whole of the plan of his ki as 'Y's Ministers. I do not mean to say that this is the only I e d as4 re that is required with respect to the Church of Ireland. p ts ° not mean to say that there are not other measures with kject to non -residence, with respect to pluralities, (hear,) 41 f°r thepurpose of inducing he landlords to take on them htves th e payment of tithes . All these measures must •be e4 l-i ght under the consideration of the house ; they will ne flii:i,irily be so during the present session of parliament; but th e IS the measure which I now b r i ng f orwar d w ith res p ec t to ' Phi to the o f th e c h urc h, Sir. I hope and trust this is a ift,. l woicli will give general satisfaction. (Cheers.) I will not p 1 . 0 7n the house much longer. The measure I have proposed 4 4 !des f or not continuing toe scandal of persons holding be- Pep t • L e e s and receiving the revenues of a living where no duty is . lit,i„ l ined, and diminishes to as great an extent as it could pos 'i4lso' reduce the number of the Irish hierarchy. Sir. I would fPle, Indeeda b serve here, that it does not lay down an abstract princi n'in• it was not necessary ,to do so for any practical i h i• &Ze• All who thought there ought to be an establishment , ' h iot 4 Would agree that the church had the first claim. It was r* L 'id : r e e,ssary for the government to decide whether parliament % t n. L . gad not a right to interfere with the property- of the ' "V 1 1- '• 'Tiplan i have now submitted to the house is that hire e _ his -,,,L, 4. - , ministers feel themselves justified in at , 's• e h, - .aajeS,y s - t i lkle * roPOsinc, and is not meant to preclude parliament, or : l e i : t c h tu°;:h.. uture disposwtnY r a t't • to other purposes than that ''difficulty in the way of its considering of the J a e, et hereafter. of.,ichurch proper ), 1 4 a i r i 1 wianmhe have e may o inr vi may o w ,noont theta k take present e t t h t t a that b a ..- w i 9, 11 , has been t o „,,,, ' l l not detain th e - 1" j," a' se further,practical but beg at once to move for , lea ve; to bring in a hi u ti to amendment of the law. I alter and amend the law relating to ..itied cheers.) doe temporalities of h g . co t n i e il church in Ireland." (His lordship sat w w I I l r amoidcsotsl°NnELL said that he had heard the proposition of the • , h noble lord with theand ould certainly give his,greatest satifactiou and delight, he 1 h azure. It um n w o i t se go ann tilliroustterm dirt a l quite s o fa as he could wish, but still p ra er ti l o ia n p a s iro h n is e i:mi l fi: e n h t on s . u a lor l t e t a o rn tl e . m d e 'derin e mber f her remarked th n a s ur . a lany Irishmen could wish t the measure was not so extensive ti hre. . b PerhapS that the cautious manner i ll 1,, !e4 pleasure, cop s . i ia gre at Which the proposed b .Ivould ~,' still they would receive it with confluence operations was one recommeOation to it. tl S ir R. INGLIS objected to the m m ea e s u ( r s e ir l i l l t ot o . ce mn thi lm r is , b) and thought fi ' , 4t Whatever received the sanction of the be entertained. - Had the minis ttelira t 4a th g e ti tp proposals p b o e s a le l o l n gl lookeda not ttoo. p r e s reflected upon the consequences of the alteratioencroftnolisreyidDehrucabdd. , 4, 4 Posed? what was the _purport of the King's oath; did he n a a s th es t t o ab t l h is e he s d am by e 14 8 , 1 i -e ar to preserve the m r e r m ot b e; r ta s, nt ta c k h e ur acn h etl4, bid they nut, as Ra',`,' and would they not go in the face of their solemn en stiit,;ents, if they persisted in a m e asure so fraught w ith de -11-Av - `, 1 ," consequences to the esta bli s hed church ? They mus t °I su e ," l " t eenied the oath good for n othin g when they first thought ask :" Proposals as the house has heard that night. lie would heel's tine oaths were evidently valued as n , othmg, whether Acts e el , s -r,iament were to avail nothing? Certain provisions had of G A nade regarding the Irish church.. By the 39th and 40th essential to, C}l s u rge 3d, it is declared that the continuation of the English 44 . - ;', l as the establishment of Ireland was . ~ and .14— one of the articles of, the union: the • constitution of .11 r Nil tahu sup of the m print; nforming t, if such . _ THE LIVERPOOL STANIMIth. that church was then settled. It might be asserted that this measure was not a violation of this article, but ac cording to his understanding not a single bishopric ' . could he touched without violating the pledge given at the union. When in 1831 he opposed the reform bill, he did it, as at the present time, because he conceived that the measures exceeded the expectations of all friends to the state or church reforms. He would ask the ministers what they supposed they should gain by pandering ? (Cries of No, no.) Did the noble lord mean to say that he was using too strong language, when he had been sacrificing so much to the will of persons out of doors, in bringing forward a measure pregnant with the most danger ous consequence to the good of Ireland and to all religious feelings ? He had hoped from the conduct of ministers last week, and the support they had received from conservative in fluence, that they would have pursued the course which they then appeared to have marked out, and not to have given way as they had done. By the noble lord's plan, no provision was made for Protestant education ; on the contrary, it threw checks upon it. The noble lord and his colleagues must feel that in granting a measure so sweeping and destructive, they were pur chasing a short existence for themselves. The hon. and learned gentlanan . (the member for Dublin) had that evening declared his satisfaction at the measure, and at the close of his speech he said that he hailed it as establishing a principle. (Ilear.) A principle had certainly been established by that measure, which might give, perhaps, a prolonged existence of some twenty years to the church of Ireland. Under such circum stances, he should with all his feeble efforts oppose to the ut termost the plan proposed by the noble lord, however hopeless his opposition might ultimately prove. (Cheers.) So long as God gave him life, health, and strength, he should oppose a measure which in his conscience he believed would tend to the irreparable injury .of society in Ireland, and lead also to the destruction of the established church in that country. (Cheers.) Sir FRANCIS BURDETT said that he felt convinced that the plan proposed would strengthen all the ties of property in Ireland, remove religious animosities, and restore society in that country to its proper station. He sincerely hoped that the spirit of conciliation evinced by the hon. and learned gentle man (Mr. O'Connell) in his speech that night, would be met by a corresponding feeling on the part of his countrymen at large. He felt. assured that the proposition of his noble friend (Lord Althorp) would lead to the happiest results. Notwith standing all that have been said, and all that. had been feared, the administration had done justice to Ireland. They had nobly redeemed their pledge, and left nothing 'unredeemed. (Cheers.) After what had passed that night, the people • of Ireland might rely that no tyrannical use would be made of the acditional powers which they sought to obtain. (Hear, hear.) Mr. GOULBURN said that the measure brought forwaid by the noble lord had in the greatest possible degree excited his dis appointment and surprise, and he should feel it his duty to can vass its details with the tmost scrutiny, and oppose its princi ple with the most decided and determined hostility. ( Hear, hear.) He was anxious that nothing should be done with re gard to the prqperty of the church, for he felt that the salva tion of the country depended on the stability of that church. He felt that the plan of the noble lord would have the effect of crippling the powers of the church, and he should therefore give it his strongest opposition. Mr. BARRON said that the noble lord had brought forward his plan temperately and moderately, and, if some such mea sure had not been proosed, the property of the Church of Ire land would, ere long, - have been trampled in the dust both by. Protestant and Catholic. He concluded by expressing his con viction that the measure proposed by government would have the happiest effect in Ireland. Lord EBRINGTON expressed his entire approbation of the present measure,. and his fullest confidence in the favourable disposition of the government towards Ireland. . Mr. RUTIIVEN was understood to say, that he was convinced that the measure proposed would not have the effect which some anticipated. lie considered that instead of retaining twelve bishops four would be quite sufficient. (Hear and laugh ter.) He would move an amendment, that an inquiry should take place in the Established Church of Ireland, to ascertain if its revenues were not more than commensurate with services required, and to ascertain if a portion of the surplus ought not to be applied to the relief of the poor, &c. Mr. D. ROCHE seconded the amendment. _ Mr. WARRE, of Hastings, said, that he was surprised at the ' amendment proposed by the hon. member, which he should leave to the decision of the house. It seemed intended for no other purpose but to thwart the first great salutary measure of reform introduced by his Majesty's ministers. He was not surprised at the opposition the measure experienced from the hon. hart., member for Oxford, but did think he would, on mature consideration, reverse his opinion upon the exploded notion that the King had not the power by his coronation oath to give his sanction to any measure recommended by the two houses of Parliament. (clear, hear.) He (Mr. Warre) con sidered the measure fraught with the greatest benefits to Ire land, and would cement the union between the two' countries. Sir ROBERT PEEL said, that he felt bound to remark that the usual practice of the house was, when any alteration in religion was proposed, that it should be referred to a committee of whole house; indeed, there was a standing order of the house to that effect, and he would ask the noble lord, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, if the question before the house was not re lating to religion? A reference to the usage of the house ou similar occasions, would bear him out in his complaint of the irregularity of the proceeding. Ile thought that this question, which proposed the reduction of 10 bishops from the 22, was in timately connected with religion. It was true that the standing orders were not passed: but he understood it was the intention of the house to adhere to the established usage, and he trusted the noble lord would refer this question to a committee of the whole house. (Cheers.) He would now refer to the main ques tion before the house, in which his confidence was not much in creased by the acclamations with which it was received by the house, without any consideration, as a measure likely to insure peace and security. He could not express his confidence in a measure which' had in contemplation the destruction of one half of the hierarchy of the Established Church of Ire land. Its bearinc, upon the union and the safety of the established church were sufficient grounds to induce the house to consider the measure well before they sanctioned it. He ould not attempt to debate the subject; before he gave any opinion he should endeavour to understand the proposition. He understood the noble lord to say that the Tithe Composition Act of last session was to remain in force, and that other acts were- to be passed to enforce that composition; and to enable the landowners to get rid of the annual composition for a fixed tax. The diocesan corporations mentioned last session was not a bad plan, but not alluded to by the noble lord ;, and he begged to know in whom would be invested the property itnd tithes of the church? Lord ALTHORP said it was not quite correct to call them cor porations; commissioners were to be appointed who would have the power of managing those matters, such as repairs and build ings, the expense of which was now defrayed by the church cess, and the other duties which he• had described would also devolve on them. Those commissioners would not be in the nature of diocesan corporations. Sir R. PEEL.—Then to whom are the compositions for tithes to be paid? Lord ALTHORP (who spoke in a very low tone across the table) was understood to state that it would be the object of government to encourage commutation, and the proceeds would, of course, be paid to the clergy. That was a subject, however, which was not comprehended in the bill. The commissioners appointed under the bill would have nothing to do with it. Sir R. PEEL admitted that it was hardly lair to ask the noble lord to enter upon any detailed explanation of his measure at the present moment; and, in asking the question he had just put to the noble lord, his object was more to point out to the house the propriety of suspending their judgment upon the pro posed measure, in preference to giving it at once their entire and unqualifi e d approval. He understood'the whole amount of the revenue of the Chinch was to be invested in the commission or diocesan corporations, for the benefit of the church of Eng land and ecclesiastical purposes. When he came down to the house he was prepared to admit the time had arrived when a large and comprehensive system of reform in the church was required, not so much to conciliate but to add to its stability. (Hear, hear.) He was prepared to consider a plan to remedy abuses, but not to violate property. He was opposed to the holding of pluralities in Ireland, and anxious to adopt anv mea sure that would have for its object the extension of the Protes tant faith. There were many districts in Ireland where there were no churches, and the time had come when those deficiencies ought to be remedied out of the church property, and not out of the taxes paid by the people. He would not object to apply the tithes to strictly ecclesiastical purposes. There was no q uestion but great advantage would arise by the removal of the church cess, as it had the effect of placing the clergy in hostility with the people. But he did not see the reason why the landlord should be relieved from any such charge; and believed that the Ronian Catholic tenants might he relieved from this tax to the satisfaction of the church. The noble lord proposed the abo lition 'of ten bishops out of twenty-two, and the house re ceived that communication ,with cheers. (Loud cheering.) They had confirmed his opinion. (Cheers.) He recommended honourable members, before they'formed a final judgment, to inquire into the duties of the present bishops, and what would be the duties of the twelve bishops. under the new system. Ile was not prepared to say that twen t y -t w o ' bisho p s were too much for ireiand." ( Hear, hear.) He would recommend that additional glebe houss be built for 'the working clergyuleu. He thought it for the interests of Ireland that the clergymen should perform their duty; and that every parish should have a resident clergyman. (Cheers.) Great complaint had been made of the non-resident clergymen ; but really the state of Ireland had been such of late years, that it was not safe fur a clergyman to reside on his living. Such a class of resident gentry would prove beneficial to society, and he trusted that any change would involve a liberal 'maintenance to the resi dent clergymen. If a strict observance of duty from the'cler-• gymen were required, the bishops' duties would be increased ' and that object would be defeated if the government reduced them to ten. If there ever was a time this was the period when the government - ought to be cautious in the attempts they made to effect great changes, and when • they should be prepared to give a decided opinion, he was prepared to recommend a dif ferent distribution of the revenues of the church, to promote the residence of the clergyman, and to enable the Catholic poor to have a friend and a protector. (Cheers.) Mr. STANLEY said that the measure which his noble friend had this night brought forward, had been received as a messen ger of good tidings, and he hailed it as an omen of the happiest character—as an omen of a kind and benevolent feeling towards Ireland—as an omen of the calm discussion that might be ex pected on all grave subjects from a reformed parliament. ( Hear, hear.) The measure brought forward by his noble friend was one so fraught with oenefits, that it had almost dis armed the opposition of those who dreaded the dangers of reform in any shape; but he was confident that no dangerous or head long measures would ever be entertained by a reformed parlia ment. (Hear, bear.) It was a source of great gratification to him, that he could come forward in support of this measure, not only on the score of principle ' but in its details, which he could not and never would do, it it were likely to interfere with or endanger the existence of the Protestant church of Ireland. So far from weakening, it would strengthen that church, and lead to the extension of harmony and goodwill between Protes tants and Catholics. This great measure was approved of by some of those who were wont to differ withhini on almost every subject. With the honourable and learned member for Dublin he had fought many a battle, and although he (Mr. Stanley) had not now to encounter that learned gentleman's opposition, the right honourable baronet was not to infer that he might not have to fight many more battles. (Laughter and cheers.) The right honourable baronet had said, that the bill should have been introduced by a committee of the whole house; the Tithe Composition Bill, the Vestry Bill, the Pluralities, and the Curates' Bill had been introduced without undergoing the or deal of a committee of the whole house. The Test and Cor poration Bills, and the Catholic Relief Bill, had been introduced by a committee of the whole house liecause they involved a question of faith. To this measure he gave his zealous and cor dial support, which he could not do if he did not agree to the bill in its principles and details.• The right hon. gent. thanked the house for the attention bestowed upon him, and sat down amid universal cheering. Mr. SHAW said, that this measure had taken precedence of another that formed a more prominent feature in his Majesty's speech. He thought that it was wrong to attempt to appease the violation of the law, until those violations had been avenged. Sir RICHARD KEANE trusted that the people of Ireland would receive this measure in the spirit in which it was given, and he might be permitted to say, that while England was progressing in arts and arms, she had also grown Grey in state affairs. The amendment was then withdrawn, and leave given to bring in the bill. PROCEEDINGS OF PARLIAMENT.—Whether or not it be from that inveterate prejudice which may be supposed to hold us captive,- as old-fashioned politicians, we are wholly at a loss, up to the present moment, to discern any of those bright symptoms of improvement which, as it was confidently foretold, would certainly characterise the new Parliamentary era. We, believe there is a very general and growing sen timent of pain and disgust, among the old members of the House of Commons who recollect it as an assembly of gentlemen, to whatever party they belong, at the sad and very perceptible declension which has now taken place in its tone of sentiment as well as of language. A foreigner who heard one of the debates now taking place, might imagine that the members spoke in different languages, from the different provincial dialects which may now be learned within the walls of St. Stephen's. gut this•taken alone is a small matter. A far more.pain ful consideration we hold it to be, that the House of Corn- Mons is now a place where the lowest jests and tricks of buffoonery are exhibited not onlywith impunity but with acceptance. Our readers know the phraseology of Cob bett's Register—they may conceive what it is to hear it in Parliament, accompanied with such gestures, and such vocal inflections, as suit the refined conceptions of the member for Oldham. Some who are yet alive may well remember the day, when the opposition-bench numbered among its tenants Mr. Fox, Mr. Burke, Mr. Sheridan, Mr. Windham, Mr. Erskine. But this was in the days of boroughmongering and corruption —now, that the legislature has been, according to the almost profane ex pression of the Radical press, regenerated, we have of course better men than these: of this our readers may judge themselves—the present tenants of that far-famed opposition-bench are Cobbett, Attwood, Faithful, Ruth ven, and O'Connell. • But, how are we in the way of legislation ? for that after all is the great question. Why, there is promise enough, to be sure. Notices of motion have already een given on very many subjects, from which we extract the following, as among the most important. 1. Irish Church, Feb. 12. 2. Extinction of Cesses and Rates in Ireland, Feb. 19. 3. Municipal Governments for the new Boroughs, .Feb. 14. 4. Committee to inquire into all Corporations, Feb. 14. 5. Extinction of Tithes in Ireland, Feb. 19. 6. Commutation of Tithes, Feb. 21. 7. Reform of the Irish Reform Bill, Feb. 21. 8. Lord Morpeth's Factories' Bill, Feb. 27. 9. Lord Ashley's Factories' Bill, March 5. 10. Ballot, Feb. 28. 11. Abolition of Slavery, March 19. 12. Triennial Parliaments, March 21. • 13. Repeal of the Malt Tax, March 21. 14. Property Tax, March 26. 15. National Education Scheme, Feb. 14. 16. Committee on the distress of the Working Classes in general, Feb. 18. 17. Corn Laws, Feb. 20. 18. Pension Lists, March 5. 19. Another Irish Church Reform, March 7. 20. Repeal of the Taxes on Knowledge, April 3. 21. Suppression of Political Union., May 6. 22. Last not least—" A communication to the House of Lords, requesting them to review their privilege of voting by proxy." April 12. To these has been added a notice to consider of the propriety of changing the currency, and of emancipating the Jews, besides which, the Bank and East India ques tions must come under the consideration of Parliament. Now let any man consider the multiplicity of details which even one of these questions involves. Let us look to the Irish Church Reform plan : how many considera tions it embraces! When its wings are introduced, it will comprise the consideration of commutation—non residence—pluralities—unions of parisheS—the exist ence and duties of Chapters—the education of the Cler gy—the appointment of dioceses—the sale of advowsons —the responsibilities of lay impropriators—and the en tire organisation of a board for the management of funds large in extent, various in their sources, and complicated . in their character. Are men in their senses ? Are we to consider this ac cumulation of almost all the important questions that -zing be mooted in the country, : tbis squabble and conten tion among them, each as it were struggling to bring itself before all others into public notice—this proTo , ed compression, into less than three Months, of topics which cannot receive anything like a full discussion in three years—as a proof of *the superabun6nt wisdom of the reformed Parliament, or of its rash and reckless temper, of its ignorance of the nature of the work of legislation, of its disposition to minister to the prevailing excite ment, rather than to promote the permanent interests, of the people. WEST INDIA COLONIAL QUESTION. TO THE EDITOR OF THP, LIVERPOOL STANDARD. Sra,—The subject of our West India possessions is one which invo.yes so many important and momentous interests, that I trust I may be excused for trespassing, in some detail, on your notice at this critical period. Some years ago, it was proposed to a gentleman of long ex perience and peculiarly intelligent on this subject, to write something on the Colonies. His reply Was in these emphatic words:—•' Were an angel to come from heaven, and to speak truth to demonstration to the people of this country, regarding the West India Colonies, he would not be believed." You are aware that Mr. Henry Broug•luea, now Lord Brougham, when he canva sse d the East Riding of Yorkshire, and on various other occa dons, saw no difficulties in the way of immediate emancipation, although his Colonial Policy points out many practical obst a cl es th at h a d b een experienced by the Spaniards and others : how this anomaly wises Ido not p cetend to say. In the one case, a history was penned, by a youth shortly from college, with this object chiefly before h.m; and in the other instance, he was addressing constituents who, like himself, had made up their minds that immediate emancipation only would satisfy them; but the present Lord Chance:l)r, on this same colonial question, is confounded by the evidence in the cause of Thornley v. Burn and others. It is not a legal question that puz z l es hi s l or d s hi p, hut the. imprac.ic a bility vt providing for the y oung an d h e.pless, and the o l d and infirm slaves; and, in thi s i nstance, h e and others have discovered one case, out of a h un d re d ot h er i nstances that must occur,. of the ruinous consequ e n ces o f i mme di ate emancipation, differing from this now b e f ore the public. What seems most irrecon cilable is, that hi s lordship's univ e r sa lly a d m itt e d acute an d enlightened underst an di ng did not, at an earlier period, pene trate deeper, and more comprehensively embrace this awful subject, on which the vital interests of the nation hang, when he had many more extensive and lucid facts before him, which made the same impresion on common-place minds that this has produced on the Lord Chancellor. I shall not presume to say that he and his colleagues now perceive that perseverance in the measures hitherto puisued towards these ill-fated colonies, must, in their destruction, involve themselves in disgrace, and that the evidence given before the several committees on slavery and on the manufactories, when brought- before the public, will exhibit a contrast between the condition and com forts of the slaves in these colonies, and the misery and wretch.. edness of the operative manufacturers in Britain, such as must occasion a measure of discontent in the minds of the latter, in itself to be regretted, and for which occasion should never have been given, by misrepresentation as to the real condition of the ne:gro. I shall here given an extract, from the speech of a gentleman in Scotland, addressed to a farmers' club in Kincardineshire, which gives my Lord Brougham and the Government a refe rence to.more important and impressive sources of information. It is in the following words :—" The people of this country have long been deceived by men whom nothing will satisfy but the destruction of the colonies; the executive has been coerced br them into the most absurd and oppressive measures; the wheels of Government have long been clogged, and could only - move according to the will of this party, and as they were gratified in their extravagant ideas. You have been told that the negro. will be found to labour for himself, and even more for the be nefit of the master, if immediately emancipated; but, although these same men have levied contributions on the public to au immense amount, and, through the Government, have received and expended millions in various situations, in order to prove that these people will become industrious in a free state, they have failed in every instance: in no situation have any number been brought together capable of supporting themselves. The colony of Sierra Leone was established, and has now been car ried on, with this view, for upwards of forty years, and has alone cost the country several millions. Sir James Lucas Yeo, in an_ official dispatch from the coast of Africa, mentioned that tl.e indigo plant grew wild in the streets of Free-town (Sierra Le ' one) ; but, was ever an ounce of indigo, or a cask of colo n i a l produce, brought horn thence ? The task is fraught with mole difficulty than is generally imagined. The habits of the negro are not to be changed by an order in council, or an edict from the British Parliament : he is a differently organised being from the white. Practical facts tell us more than anything on this subject. There is not an instance of the American savage, from one extremity i of that continent t o th e ot h er, b e i ng edu cated and brought into society; and it is desirable that these philanthropic experimentalists should be able to point out that, in some one of the various attempts made, it has been proved that the negroes, in their present state, are prepared for free dom, without practising their hypothetical projects over the whole of the NI est India colonies.' Our Government, in their ignorance, settled a proportion of the Am‘rican negroes in the province of Halifax, where the climate is unfriendly to their temperament, and twenty times the labour would not rear the same proportion of food as in the tropics. These people, although furnished with every means and comfort for three years, at the expense of this country, are in a miserable plight, whilst the white settlers, on inferior lands, without assistance, are thriving and comfortabl e . In a more genial climate, Trinidad, - the negroes taken from the Americans at Washington, (and for whom £lOO each were paid by the British Government,) were settled at considerable expense; but these are a nuisance, and are dying of want. In Sierra Leone, the population does not amount to half the number sent to that place ; their indolence and dissipation are beyond belief; they are not supported by their industry, but at the expense of this country; and vet my Lord Brougham could only learn, by an isolated case before his court, that these people have not hitherto, in any instance, been brought to labour for food. These are but a few of many similar instances; but, having already monopolised too much space, I shall conclude this part of my subject,. for the present. It may not be without effect to add a few specimens as to the state of the blacks in the colonies, and leave it to your readers to make a comparison with that of the whites in Britain. • _ Sir Lawrence Halstead, in his evidence before the lords, re lates that he went to Jamaica extremely prejudiced against the colonies, and that he expected to see the slaves treated with great severity, but that the reverse was the vase.—On employ ing a dozen of workhouse negroes, (convicts,) they would sit down and work round them; and that an English labourer would perform more work in an hour than they would do i n a day.lle says that the negroes possess advantages, in regard to food and comforts, much beyond those of the - labourers in Britain; that they are well treated, and that there is a univer sal good feeling towards them in the white population, and a readiness to listen to their complaints, both in public and private. Sir John Keane, in his evidence, says that he had seen more misery in his own country, (Ireland,) in eight hours, than he had seen in the colonies in eight years. Mr. Shand, in his evidence before the lords' committee, makes a contrast between the hours and the measure of labour performed by the negro, the weavers, field labourers, and others, in Scotland, England, and France; and of the sleek, fat, and cheerful appearance of the black, which might not have been listened to but from what now appears regarding the manufac: luring population ; nor does he advert to any harsh treatment practised in this enlightened country. It may not be improper to observe, that there is not anything in the preceding which does not admit of further and more per feet explanation from parliamentary and public documents. It may not be inapplicable to advise my Lord Brougham to revert to the evidence of two individuals who were examined before the committees on slavery, where he must discover all that can be learned by the evidence in the cause of Thornley e ) Burn and others, and ten times more upon other points equally important. One of the witnesses to whom I allude is Mr. Wil liam Taylor, a planter, who is an advocate for emancipation. and was brought forward by the abolitionists, as a gentleman of ex perience, competent to establish and confirm their views, and who was examined by both committees at great length; the other is Mr. Shand, also a planter, of great experience. I would more especially refer to the remarks of this gentleman, made at the instance of the chairman of the commons' coni mitte,e, on the statement made by Mr. Taylor on the expense of free labour. Should '4nything further be requisite for his lordship's satis faction upon this momentous subject, enough may be known by a perusal of the dispatches of Mr. M 4 Kienzie, formerly British consul-general in Hayti to Mr. Secretary Canning, in which the deplorable consequences of the emancipation of uneducated ne groes are in every page most clearly illustrated.—Yours. AN ADVOCATE FOR TRUTH AND JUSTICE.