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land, relating to probates and administrations, and to divorce and matrimonial causes, similar in principle to the bills for England now before the House of Lords ; Also, whether it was intended that the bill relating to Clergy Discipline, which the Lord Chancellor etated, shortly before the Dissolution of Parliament, was then in preparation, should be introduced this session, and whether it would include the Church in Ireland ? The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that when the bills relating to the first part of the question came down from the House of Lords, the Attorney-General for Ire land was prepared to introduce similar bills for Ireland. With reference to Church discipline, it was not his in tention to legislate on the question otherwise than as a whole in connection with the United Church of Eng land and Ireland. THE SOUND DUES. On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EX CHEQUER that part of her Majesty's speech, in re ference to the sound dues was read, and he moved that it be taken into consideration on Friday, June sth. THE ALLOWANCE TO THE PRINCESS ROYAL. Mr. FITZROY appeared at the bar, and brought up the report of the committee on the annuity to the Princess Royal. The resolution was read a first time. On the motion that it be read a second time, Mr. CONINGHAM rose and said—l rise for the pur• pose of proposing an amendment to the resolution, adopted apparently unanimouly the other day. I regret very much that we had not an opportunity of dividing on that occasion, as I am fully convinced that the public out of doors would have been undeceived on the subject. If we had divided I believe that a very large minority would have opposed the proposal of the Chancellor of the Exchequer. I object to that proposal on principle, I object to the amount. I object to it as a precedent (laughter at the pronunciation of the word). I re-aPsert, as a precedent (repeated the hon. gentleman, utterly unconscious of the cause of the house's merriment). The reasons I have before urged against the annuity I still entertain ; but I shall content myself with proposing a reduction of the annuity. I move, then, that for 8,0001. a year 6,0001. be substituted. In pro posing this annuity the Chancellor of the Exchequer made a remarkable omission in referring to the revenues of the Duchy of Lancaster. The reason why only 20,000/. has been paid into the Queen's privy purse is, that the property has been grossly mismanaged. It will shortly be my duty to bring that matter under the consideration of the house. With these few observa tions I content myself with moving the substitution of 6,0001. a year for 8,0001. a year. Mr. COX seconded the amendment. The SPEAKER having put the resolution and the amendment, Lord PALMERSTON rose and said—l cannot help expressing my great regret that the hon. gentlemah has thought fit to raise a discussion on this provision. (Cheers.) I really had hoped that after (as he has ad mitted) the apparently almost unanimous opinion of this house experienced on a former evening, that even those who entertained individual objections or differences of opinion as to the relative amounts which should con stitute the marriage portion of the Princess Royal would have acquiesced on this occasion. I must eay again that, on a question as to the provision to be made for the person whom the hon. and learned member for Sheffield has called " the el lest daughter of England," and Who is now going forth to hold probably a great and important station in a foreign kingdom—l had hoped that we should not have been called upon to discuss the difference between 60001. and 80001., and matters of that kind, which may be held to be utterly in-ignifi cant as regards the re3ource3 of the country, but which are of value as indicating the confidence and attachment of this house to the sovereign of these realms, and to the dynasty under which we have the happiness to live. (Cheers.) I shall follow the ex 4ruple of the hon, member in one respect, by not entering into any lengthy dis , cussion. I shall not follow his example by urging the house to diminish the vote, but I most earnestly entreat the house to divide in favour of the vote. Colonel FRENCH regretted t'uatthe noble lord should have thought it necessary to address the house at all. He felt assured that the house would record its unani -1110119 decision against the amendment. Mr. GILPIN—Had Mr. Roebuck divided the house —(cries of " Order")—he begged to apologise for calling the hon. and learned gentleman by his right name—(a laugh)—but had the hon. and learned member for Shef field thought fit to divide the house on a former occa sion, he (Nfr. Gilpin) should have voted with him. He did not think, however, that it was wise for his hon. friend the member for Brighton to re-open the question. He would yield to no one in a desire to do what was right for the Royal family, and was not prepared to divide against the vote. (Cries of " Divide," and " Withdraw.") Mr. F. SCOTT asked whether the amendment had been seconded ? (Cries of " Yes.") The SPEAKER again put the resolution and amend ment. For the former there was a perfect storm of " ayes ;" for the latter, the single voice of the hon. member for Brighton (Mr. Coningham). The hon. member persisting in his opposition. Strangers were ordered to withdraw, and The SPEAKER again put the question, and with the came result. The numbers were— For the amendment Against it Majority The announcement of the numbers was received with cheers, and some laughter. The resolution was then agreed to, and leave was given to the Chancellor of the Exchequer to found a bill on it. 14 328 -314 On the motion that the house should resolve itself into a committee of supply, in order to grant the dowry of 40,0001., Mr. MAGUIRE said that he was by no means averse to making a fic allowance for a Royal personage, but he thought he should not prove himself a proper represen tative of the people if he did not declare his opinion that 8,0001. a year was an ample dower to the Princess Royal, and that the 40,0001. was a piece of unnecessary liberality on the part of Parliament, considering that the persons who would have to pay that sum were many of them in needy and distressed circumstances. He thought that on Friday night the house had not been very fairly treated by the hon. and learned member for Sheffield. (Hear, hear from the ministerial benches below the gang way.) The hon. and learned member by the course he had taken, had precluded others from placing their oppo sition in a more practical form. If (he hon. and learned member bad gone to a division alter his speech he should have supported him, and many other hon. members would also. He now moved, as an amendment, that no sum be given. (Laughter.) What he meant was that the,proposition to add the 40,0001. to the 8,000/. a year should be negatived. (Hear, and laughter.) The SPEAKER informed the hon. member that the proper time for expressing his dissent would be . when the motion should be put to the house. The SPEAKER put the question amidst a storm of " ayes." Mr, CONINGHA WI said he considered the annuity of 8,0001. a year an amply sufficient provision for her Royal Highness. Pledged to reform and retrenchment he should act in direct violation of his pledge if he sup ported this vote of 40,0001. Sir H. WILLOUGHBY was prepared to justify his support of the resolution on the ground that on two for mer occasions the daughter of George 11. had 80,0001. dowry and 5,0001. annually, and that the same sum was given to the daughter of George 111., on her marriage with the Prince of Wurtemburgh. Although he thou g ht it would have been better for the government not to have altered the precedent, still, as the amounts were nearly the same in effect, he should support the proposal of her Majesty's ministers. He thought her present Majesty was entitled to be treated with quite as much liberality as either George 11. or George 111. (Hear.) Lord R. CECIL rose to a point of order. Would it not be possible, in the case of these exceedingly vexati.tio us divi s i ons, to revive the ancient rule of requiring the "noes" to mov e out o f the house, and thus prevent In convenience to the "ayes ?'' (Cheers and laughter.) Sir J. TRELAVNY asked whether the noble lord ap lied the term " vexatious" to the public of England? He should have much preferred dividing the Other night, when he should have been prepared to support any - son abla proposition . . H e now found himselfp ea in asorme what difficult position. He should be the last person to w ithhold admiration of her Majesty, or not to desire that the greatest amount of happiness might f o l low her Royal Highness the Princess Royal. The revenues of the "may of Cornwall belonged to the Crown in cases where the eldest son of the Sovereign died, and Burke said that they could be disposed of for the benefit of the Crown for life. He should divide with those who pro• po3ed to reject altogether the dowry of 40,000/. Lord PALVIERSTON—I wish to set the hon. baro net right as to the supposition that in the event of the country being deorived by death of the Prince of Weles the revenues of the duchy of Corn wall would go to the Crown. Such is not the fact, the revenue. of the duchy of Cornwall wouli go to the next heir to the Crown. I shall not stop to argue the question, but will simply ex press a hope that the house will abide by the decieh , n it has already corns to. Sir J. TRELA.WNY would reiterate his statement, that according to all the authorities in the law books, if the eldest son of the monarch died the revenues of the IRE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY EVENING, MAY 26, 1857 an army. And therefore my hon. friend the member for Lambeth is entirely mistaken in depreciating the value of that establishment at Aldershot - b. Whatever may have been the cost, I say that the money has been economi cally laid out. (Hear.) It has been laid out with the greatest advantage to the public, that I do trust that nothing will ever pass in this house which will in• terferewith the continued benefit that Alderehott will afford to the public by being, as it is intended, the place where, between the months of April and October, con- siderable bodies of troops shall be collected to perform those movements and evolutions which they would have to perform if they were called upon for active service either at home or abroad. (Hear, hear.) There were other points in which our army was deficient, and those deficiencies were greatly and severely felt at the outset of the late war. And, by the by, I may say that even the practice in the late war was not a practice particu larly calculated to instruct officers in great field move ments, because our army was stationary during the greater part of the time. It was net like a war carried on in the interior of a country with army movements and marches over a great surface of ground. But, in the first place, there was a great want of that which is es sential to the movements of an army—namely, a field train, or what used to be called a waggon corps—men trained to attend to the sick and to the different things connected with the supplies of an army. There was great want of a hospital staff, men practised in hospitals and conversant with the methods of treating the sick. These things have been remedied. By the pre sent estimates it will be seen that two new corps have been formed—one a field train and the other a hos pital staff—composed of men trained to attend on the sick in hospitals. The committee will see that with re gard to numbers there is an increase of about 6,000 over the numbers of the year 1853-4. That increase arises principally from the creation of these new corps, the augmentation of the artillery, and the employment of those supernumeraries who were appointed during the late war, and who might have been reduced, but whom the Governmentthought it would be hard to reduce. We determined therefore to keep tbem on full pay. The Commander-in-Chief willingly agreed to that arrange ment at a sacrifice of that patronage to which some people think he attaches so much importance. We thought it better to retaiu as supernumeraries a great portion of the men who were about the establishment on full pay than discharge them at once and have to replace them afterwards by recruiting. The general wear and tear of the army may bereckoned at about 12,000 men— includingdischarges, deaths, and other causes of decrease —and we thought it better to retain efficient men as supernumeraries than discharge them, and then have to go to the expense of raising other men. Then, I think it will be seen that the increase of expense, so far as the land force is concerned, arises from these super numeraries, officers and men, the augmentation of the artillery, the field train, and also the hospital staff. Now, considering how much modern war turns upon artillery service, I think the house will be of opinion that it was not bad economy or bad foresight on the part of her Majesty's Government to augment to a cer tain extent the artillery force of our army. (Cheers.) At the beginning of the last war we could not have put into the field 50 pieces of-artillery, and to judge by com parison what that amount is it may be well said that when the Russian army entered. Hungary to assist the Austrians to put down the Hungarians they brought into the field 660 pieces of field rrtillery. By the aug mentation of our artillery I think that we could put well into the field, instead of 50 pieces, 140. I do not think that the house will be of opinion that that is a greater amount than is necessary. The total increase of charge upon the land force in the pstitinatee, as compared with the year 1853-4, the last year before the war, is 600,0005, odd, a charge temporary in its nature, partly arising from these supernumeraries, and partly but mainly from those augmentations that I have mentioned. There is no increase in the infantry of the line. There is, in point of fact, a slight diminution of about 120 men. There is a slight increase in the cavalry. There is an in- ' crease in the engineers, and also in the artillery. Now I think that it is not very material, within certain limits, what is the amount of you! infantry force. It should, of course, always be sufficient for the service of the year. An infantry man can be made (I trust that the military officers in the house will excuse me if I appear to make too light of the time necessary for the instruction of an infantry man) in a few months, and by recent results I should say even in a few weeks. At all events an in fantry may be rendered available for service in a very short time. A cavalry man requires a longer training, because not only have you to teach him what he him self has to do, but how a horse should be treated, and what it has to do. A double instructin e e i s thus necessary in the case of the cavalry man, and that, therefore, is a reason why you should in time of peace increase your cavalry force rather beyond what,-perhaps, might otberwise be considered necessary. The increase now proposed is entirely in dismounted men, and not in the number of horses. These dismounted men, however, will all be drilled to horse ecercise, so that if it were necessary to render the regiment more efficient it would be only requisite to buy an additional number of horses and mount your men upon them. Then tae artillery is a corps which requires great practice ani instruction. An inexperienced artilleryman is of very little value, and un less you have a good corps of aetillery depend upon it your army will he very ineffic:ient in the field. (Hear.) Next come the Engineers, r-nd that of all corps is one which requires most scientafic knowledge, longest train ing, and the greatest sm'..iunt ~ f skill , exuerience, and in struction. The proposed increase of 1,100 men to the En gineers is, therefore t one well deserving the approbation of the house. The total increase in respect to numbers is 6,917 ; the increase of charge is 636,000/., part of which is temporary. These estimates, i n f act, must be considered as estimates of transition, for, as I shall have to state very brieky (leaving the details to be treated by my hon. friend), there is an increase in other items, which arises out of contracts m a d e d ur i ng t h e war and not yet exe cuted, but which must be cornplsted and paid for, as well as out of works, which will not, it is hoped, occur again to the same extent in future years. Independently, how ever, of having a force sufficient for the defence of the country, there is another consideration which has of late years been much dwelt upon and much forced upon public attention, but which for a considerable time did not suffi ciently attract the notice either of Government or of the country—l mean the necessity of defensive works for the protection of your dockyards and commercial ports, and for the protection also of such points as Dover, which may be said to be the key to the southern coast of Eng land. (Hear.) These works were for many years almost entirely neglected. Of late years more attention has been paid to them ; from time to time annual sums of money have been voted for the completion of such works, and thus the object in view has, to a certain extent, been ac complished. But Portsmouth and Plymouth may now be said to be unassailable from the sea side, but they both require additional fortification on the land side. Dover is becoming a fortress of considerable strength. That place is certainly of the utmost importance, because if the enemy were to get possession of Dover, with its har bour and the facilities it would offer for their landing, this would of course be a very inconvenient position for them to occupy. (Laughter.) It is therefore obviously of the greatest importance that Dover should be placed in a situation which would enable it to defend itself if attacked until assistance and support could arrive. It is necessary also to impress upon the house the high importance of protecting the dock yaris—our great arsenals at Portsmouth, Plymouth, 1 Sheerness, and Pembroke—against the attacks of a small army landing in the neighbourhood and shel ling them on the land side, because if your naval resources in these dockyards were destroyed there would be at once an end to your naval superiority, and you I would be left comparatively defenceless. These, sir, are matters of the utmost importance, which for several years past have seriously occupied the attention of her Majesty's Government, and my right hon. friend Sir J. Graham knows well (because he entered heartily and constantly into these deliberations when he was a mem ber of the Government) the importance of this subject ; he is aware that what has been done has not been use less, and that further application of the same means is required to accomplish the object we have in view. There is another item of expense which also belongs to the improved notions of the present day—l mean that connected with our barracks. In former times it was too much the habit to consider the soldier as a mere animal—(hear)—to carry a musket during peace and to shoot and be shot at in time of war. (Hear, hear.) Too little attention was paid to his moral and intellectual wellbeing, or to his comforts as a man, whether single or married. The attention of Government has been properly and usefully called by Parliament of late years to the necessity of better arrangements for trio decent and comfortable habitation of soldiers in barracks at home. Such arrangements, however, are attended with considerable expense. When you have to provide for married men separate from the rest of their comrades ; when you have to build places for their recreation, read ing-rooms, and libraries, all these things require great addition to what used to be considered a tolerable bar rack; and the construction of barracks upon new prin ciples, as well as the alteration of old ones in conformity with those principles, necessarily increases the annual charge under this head. It is a'so very desirable that as far as possible the troops at home should be lodged in barracks. (Hear.) It is better for them as soldiers ; it eases the civil population from that which is felt as a burden—(hear)—it contributes to the steadiness of the men, to their moral habits, and is in all respects there fore a most desirable arrangement.. (Hear.) But then, again, these arrangements cannot be effected without a considerable expenditure, and if the house there fore sees an increase under the 'head of barracks," as compared with the expenditure -of former years, I trust it will feel that this is really a eaceifice necessary for the accomplishment of objects whi ch everybody admits to be most desirable, and which it 'is the duty of Parliament, there is in the military der as far as it can, to carry it it o effect. (Hear.) Then year. The whole of the n which may be the subject hon, brought friend un under the sta t ed, Secret r of diminution in a future artments a small increase, silitary departments are now tura ; and a great advar for War, who is, as my ssi7onsible for all the expendi from the concentration o f stew to the service has arisen the Commissariat. In t'nf I t in h - e an Alm e y ti , the Ordnance, and there will be found au ring establ'sh ents icrea,e of 57,0001: es Cern na pared jealousy vith which those who represent a 'ea sera of th a e rm with the expenditure o f Dia N, • e t a h w e ar p e ri o v f at t e he mah u regard ' the mcialt facturing establishmse of Crown, But I . cen assure the hon. geta -lemon the members for Warwick shire that the Govery ,nient never contemplated having eetablishmenis of chi' kind sufficient in magnitude to dis pense with the empl oyment of the trade. Such athin would be out of the question. There is a great advantage g in the possession b y the Government of manufactiaties carried on under th- .sir superintendence, where experiments can be made, anal where standards can be used with which to comps,rt the works of private traders ; but it would be absued to suppose that any Government estab lishments coal be upon eucia a scale as to supply the en tire wants of f,41 . a army with regard to muskas. We were obliged when the war broke out to have recourse, not only to our own trade, but to manufacturers of arms in Belgium and America. Very objectionable in principle this no doubt was, but at the same time necessity has no law, and we had to choose between leaving the army with their old Brown Bess, which everybody admitted to be an inferior weapon, or to go abroad to procure pro per weapons for our troops. Even now, with all the contracts which have been fulfilled, and those which are in course of execution, we shall only be able to furnish a few Enfield rifles to the troops of the line; there will still be the militiamen to be armed with them; and I apprehend this force ought to have as good a weapon as the soldiers of the line. There ought also to be a certain quantity of muskets in store to be ready for emergencies; besides which there is an annual consumption which re quires to be supplied • and if we were ever called upon to defend ourselves what would the people of this coun try say if, offering themselves in hundreds and thou sands as volunteers, we had nothing but broomsticks to place in their hands. (Laughter.) We must, then, have a certain store of small arms in hand, and that is the object the Government has in view. Well, then, there is the establishment at Wool-vial, which is really deserv ing of a visit from any gentleman who takes an interest in these things. There is a perfection of machinery, a perfection of ingenuity, a successful application of science to practical purposes which must afford the greatest pleasure to anybody who can understand these things and take an interest in them ; and the advantage of this establishment at Woolwich during the last war can hardly be exaggerated. (Hear.) If we had not had there men of great talent and machinery of great power it would have been impossible to have furnished the quantity of ammunition and projectiles which were neces sary to carry on the war in the Crimea. Among other things, I may mention that Capt. Boxer, one of the dis• tinguished officers in that establishment, invented a method of exploding a shell by a well-regulated fuse, which produced the greatest possible improvement in that weapon of war. Whereas, before, shells used to emplode ne man could tell when or where —sometimes on issuing from the mortar, sometimes in mid-air, sometimes not when they hit their object; by the fuse which Capt. Boxer invented the utmost precision was attained as to the explosion of the shell at the very point at which it was desirable it should burst. There is also a manufactory for iron and braes ordnance, which is scarcely of less importance than the manufactory of small arms. The amount taken this year is comparatively small, but we have made this year as large a number of iron guns as it will be possible to make carriages for. The great improvement which has taken place in the calibre of guns, both by sea and land, bas entirely put out of the question the small pieces of ordnance which were thought sufficient in former years to arm our yes. eels and defend our forts. It is absolutely necessary that both our floating batteries and batteries on shore should be armed with guns equal to any which can be brought against them. In the wages of artificers there is, of course, a proportionate increase. With regard to the clothing of the army, there is a small increase of 3,7831. The hon. gentleman the member for Lambeth charac terised the change which had lately been made in regard to the clothing of the army, but I think that change has been productive of great benefit. Formerly a certain sum—so much per man—was voted annually for clothing the troops, which was handed to the colonel of each regiment. He provided an army clothier to clothe the men, and the surplus which remained after his charges were paid was the profit of the colonel. Of course it was the the interest of the clothier, and of the colonel too, but I know that that was not an object which was looked to—to make the clothing pass muster as nar rowly as possible. Now, an allowance is made to the colonels, in addition to their pay, in lieu of their clothing emoluments, and the clothing is provided by the War Department. I am enabled to say that the clothing now supplied is of imcomparably better material, while the expense to the public is very much the same. In the items of provisions, forage, and matters of that sort, there is, of course, an increase, depending on the num ber of the troops and the price of provisions. With re gard to warlike stores there is a slight increase as com pared with the year 1852, owing to contracts made during the war not yet fulfilled, which the Government are compelled to pay ,or when the articles are delivered. With regard to fortifications and barrack accommoda tion, there is an increase on the whole of 242,0001. These charg es arise out of the considerations which I have mentioned as connected with the defence of the country- They comprise oertain works at Portsmouth, in tbe, Channel Islands, at Dover, and a certain sum is taken for continuing works at some of the principal com mercial harbours in the country. There is another object which has attracted, and most deservingly attracted, the attention of the house,—l mean the provisien for the education of the officers of the army. (Hear.) It is quite obvious that, whatever may be the courage of your offi cers, and whatever the bravery of your men, unless there be with your courage a mixture of a certain amount of science and familiarity with the operations of war, if there be not a mixture of cultivation of mind generally as well as a cultivation of technical knowledge—you do not get your full value out of your courage, and you sacrifice lives which might be saved. Though the dogged courage of the British officer and soldier may, under any circumstances of disadvantage, carry out the objects for which they strive, still it is the duty of the country to give its military men that instruction which will enable their courage to accomplish its objects with the least sacrifice of life and with the least loss to the army. Great improvements have been made in the regimental schools, and, with regard to the officers, a council has been appointed (of which the Commander in-Chief is the head), consisting of officers of great dis tinction, in communication, of course, with my hon. friend the Secretary for War (though he is not actually a member of the council), its object being to frame a system of education for the officers which will be calculated to secure to the army men skilled in the profession, and whose minds, already generally cultivated, have been improved by a course of particular study and training. When that commission has reported its report will be laid on the table, and I trust they will be successful in framing a system of education calculated to accomplish the objects I have mentioned. The total amount of the cearee for the effective service of the army was in 1853.4, 7,403,2911, ; in this year it is 9,025,3601,, making an in crease of about 1,658,7871. This is diminished by a de crease in the charge for the yeomanry, which we do not propose to call out this year, and there is a diminution in the non-effective services of 9,5341., which leaves a total increase of 1,611,5261. We are sensible that it is the duty of the Government to endeavour to combine a due regard for economy with that efficiency which I am sure this house and the country will wish should belong to the military service. We have made a reduction as compared with the last year of the war, and we propose these estimates for the present year after a careful con sideration of the various items of which each charge is composed. I hope the house will vote for the present year the number of men and the amount of charge which we propose, and during the next year it will be our duty to endeavour to see what items can be diminished. Some portion will naturally cease by the operation of causes which are now in action. I do not think that the amount of force is greater than wilt be required for the service of the country in time of peace, and many of the other charges, the excess upon which com poses the greater portion of the aggregate excess beyond the estimates of the year 1853.4, I am in hopes will cease during the present year. My hon. friend the Uunder-Secretary for War is ;quite ready to give the committee every detailed information as we go step by step through the votes, and I am quite sure he will do it with that ability and clearness which have distin guished him on every occasion when he has presented • himself to the house. (Hear, hear.) Though I have thought it my duty to undertake to make this general statement so the house, it was not from any doubt of the perfect competency of my hon. friend. (Hear.) In another year, when he has had an opportunity of making himself better acquainted with the subject, he will per form that duty wnich I have thought it better to per form for him on the present occasion. The noble lord concluded by placing in the bands of the chairman the first vote :—" That a sum of 2,921,0171. be granted to her Majesty, in addition to a sum of 1,467,0001. already voted, for defraying the pay and allowance of her Ma jesty's land forces at home and abroad, exclusive of those stationed in the East Indies." Mr. STAFFORD, after some general remarks, called attention to an omission in the noble lord's statement re lative to the Army Medical Department, and charged the Government with a desire not to carry out the recommen dation of the committee on the subject. The resolution of the committee had been carried by largo majorities ; but nothing had been done by the Government but to appoint a committee. No inclination had been sh9wn on the part of the Government to ameliorate the condition of the officers of that department. The state of the army medical department was, as far as regards the satisfaction and comfort which those gentleman felt in performing their duty, worse than it had been before any inquiry took place. If the future condition of the department were settled, the officers woul I know whether to relinquish their pro fession or whether to enter with spirit on the efficient exercise of their duty. He trusted the experience we had gained in the last war would not be thrown away. It was a most noxious error to say that any dieastsrs arose from the numerical weakness of our establish ments, or from the reluctance of the house to vote sup plies. We had to look rather to the re-allotment of our establishments for efficiency, than to any great increase in nnmbers. Row could they expect a department to be efficient when they did not offer sufficient induce. ments to officers to enter it ? He begged the Govern. meat would not object to do something towards remedy ing the defects in the army medical department, a de partment connected with the health, the lives of soldiers, m b y i se offering i n d t u o c t e h m e them. That department was inferior at present to any e o n f fi t c w e h r s i c hmtohrees these n e d s u t i c al e m a t e e n s t h s e than u t t h toe other department in the army. Much required to be done for the sanitary state of the army. Statistics showed that the mortality of the troops was much greater than among civilians. That arose from the ne glect of the army medical department. So long as they country dra w into the that department ieetdto dra , thew so t talent would of befit experience they ought from the lessons of the Crimea. Mr. WATKINS congratulated the Government on their determination to keep pace with improvements in long theyfan to e the mechanical world in relation to the manufacture of arms. He should advise a system similar to that of the United States iu reference to the manufacture of small arms, Mr. MAGUIRE condemned the present system of conveying the wives and children of privates and non commissioned officers from place to place. It was most expensive to the private soldfers, or the non-commissioned officers. It was a matter of great consequence, and he hopedhop, he should bave an assurance from the Govern ment that tho system would be altered. Sir F. BA.EING having adverted to the enormous expense of 4/dershott, said that if the estimates should not be very materially reduced next year the house would do well to refer them to a select committee. Sir DE LACY EVANS was of opinion that it was impossible to adopt the motion of the hon. member for Lambeth ; but at the same time he was quite eonvinced that such a course, provided it could be carried out with- out interfering with the executive Government, would be of very great advantage. Such a committee would col lect evidence which would be most valuable. He was not at all convinced that they had not time to conduct an inquiry into the expenditure, even during the present session. They had still three months, and much might be effected in that time. If the hon. gentleman the member for. Lrinbeth should renew his motion and sug gest that they should be assembled to consider that im portant subject, he would certainly vote for such a motion, though he could not have supported the motion which the hon. gentleman had proposed that night. He could not refrain from according his humble weed of praise to the honourable member opposite (Nlr. Stafford), for the benefit he had rendered to the army medical department. That department was not in the state tbat it ought to be for the advantage of the army. He agreed as to the duty dev,dving on the G vernment to see to the transport of the wives and chil dren of soldiers, without involving the privates and non commissioned officers in such heavy expense. The pre sent system required improvement. For the camps at Aldershot and Shorncliffe they were indebt-41 t) the Lite Lord Hardinge. He (Sir De Lacy Evans) bad been gratified that the Government had adopted the sugges tion ; but he did not think that permanen , huts had formed any part of the original plan. He quite con curred in the observations which the noble lord bad made with reference to placing our maritime depots in an effi cient state of defence. No doubt the question of eco• corny ought not to be lost sight of, but expenditure in order to the maintenance of a due delmce was not an extravagance. The number of troops in England was certainly reduced to a quantity to which he would take no objection ; whether the expenditure with regard to those troops might not be reduced, be could not ,ay, but he thought that some objection might be taken to the number of general and staff officers. (Sear.) Col. BOLDERO tlok occasion to complain of the de fenceless state of Wool wick, and pointed out the error which was at the pres,,nt moment being committed by the erection of storehouses near the river. Some years ago land was bought at Weedon for the very purpose of placing stores inland, but the prudent step then taken was now being undone. Ho also wished to call the attention of the committee to the system upon which officers were paid, when compared with the outlay to which those officers were necessarily subjected. He had made a calculation, and he found that at the end of his first year's service an ensign, suuposing him to spend only such sums as were absolutely necessary, and to waste not one penny either iu amusement or extrava gance, at the end of the first year would be out of pocket 101. 10s. 9d., and at the end of the second year 71. odd. This state of things ought to be amended. Capt. VIVIAN thought that the referring the army estimates to a select committee would lead to no good re sult, beyond, perhaps, the obtaining of some small amount of evidence. He was of opinion that the staff at the present time was too large—(hear)—and that, in lieu of reducing the rank and file, the amount of the staff should be reduced. He also bore testimony to the useless manner in which the land at Aldershott was being em ployed. Gen. THOMPSON could give unqualified approba tion to the statement which had been made by the noble lord. If he added anything to what bad been said on the present occasion, it would be to impress on the commit tee that true economy consisted in having everything of the best. Major KNOX urged the claim which the Italian le gion which had been stationed at Malta had upon the Government, and expressed a hope that the noble lord at the bead of affairs would see justice done. Col. HERBERT called attention to the fact that Woolwich was our only depot for arms, although in case of invasion it was one of the first places that would fall into the hands of the enemy. He also complained of the reduction of our regiments of Infantry and cavalry to the old peace estanlishment. In his opinion regiments should be kept up to their full strength, and if reduction were necessary, that it should be of regiments, not of large numbers of men from each regiment. Col. SYKES was strongly in favour of referring the votes annually to a committee. Laird J. RUSSELL supported the proposition before the committee, but he had beard with apprehens.on several suggestions that had been made in the course of the discussion. He feared that, unless considerable reductions were made, it would be necessary next year to propose new taxes to a considerable amount. His right hon. friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer would have enough this year for his estimates, but nex year there would be a reduction offour and a half millions in the taxes, andtherefore he i rusted that the absolute neeeseity of red no tion and retrenehment would be seen and provided for. He hoped that if a select committee should be app iinted next year, some attempt would be made to produce reduced taxation. It was true that they had to be prepared for a &eat military operation last year, but they were not to have a siege of Sehastopol every year ; and if it were proposed to be prepared for such an operation every year, 200,000 men would be quite little enough as an annual vote. (Rear. hear.) He trusted that next year, when everything good was to be done—(a laugh) —the state of the finances would attract the serious attention of the government. (Hear.) Sir J. RAAISDEN explained that with respect to the barrack expenses in former times, 601. per man was con sidered a fair average ; whereas 1001. was rendered ne ceesary now in consequence of the many modern im provements in the accommodation for the men. With respect to Alderahott it was not intended that the en campment there should be more than a summer encamp ment. He admitted, with the gallant officer opposite, that Woolwich was in an unprotected state, but the mode of defence, in case of threatened invasion, would be in the mooring of blockehipe and gunboats in the river. In answer to inquiries respecting the condition of Alder shott, he was happy to say that the average of -ickness there was only three per cent., while at all other bar racks throughout the kingdom it was four per cent. With reference to the medical department of the army, the government had received the report of the commis sioners, to which they attached high value, and he trusted that with the information furnished by that re port some satisfactory reform would be effected. Mr. MACARTNEY thought this the proper oppor tunity of bringing for ward the case of thirty-six cavalry officers who had been put on half pay last December, after having been previously assured that the two troops to which they were attached were to be a permanent au a mentation to the army. Six had been since absorbed by other corps, but thirty still remained on half pay. After some further conversation, Mr. MAGUIRE hoped that sergeants and privates who were permitted to take their wives with them would receive some allowance for their travelling ex penses. Sir W. WILLIAMS hoped that next year the case of the sergeants would be considered, and their pay in creased. At present their pay was quite inadequate to their position. Sir DE L. EVANS objected to the amount of the votes for barracki. He congratulated thr Under Sec retary for War on the lucid manner in which he had explained the estimates. (Hear, hear ) Sir J. RAMSDEN, in answer to the hon. member for Dungarvon, said the soldiers' wives were formerly permitted to travel in the waggons, but that since the introduction of railways that accommedation had ceased. The matter should be attended to. (Hear, hear.) The suggestion of the hon. and gallant member for Caine respecting the sergeants' pay should receive the most serious attention. The vote was then agreed to. 355.0551. miscellaneous charges for the land forces. Sir J. TRELLWNEY complained of the charge of .11,0001. in tieu of stock purse fund for recruiting and hospital charges of the Guards, called attention to the privileges enjoyed by officers of the Guards as compared with those of the Line, and mentioned that through the Crimean expedition instances had occurred of offi cers of the Guards being placed over other officers of more experience and equal actual rank, but who did not enjoy the nominal step above their rank which officers of the Guards held. He believed too that in the appoint ments to commands in thearmyin the Crimea favouritiem had been shown to the Guards on account of their aristocratic connexion. Mr. BYNG thought it unwise and unjust to endeavour to draw a distinction between the Gnarls and the Line, between whom it was meat desirous that the utmost good feeling should exist. Mr. STAFFORD suggested that it was inconvenient to discuss the relative position of the Guards and the rest of her Majesty's forces incidentally ; but having visited the hospitals of the Guards, he wished to bear testimony to their efficiency. They were perfect models of what military hospitals should ne. Mr. WILLIAMS complained of the higher rank and higher pay the officers of the Guards enjoyed as com pared with the officers of other branches of the same ser vice. He saw a charge for 104 assistant-chaplains. He was informed that the men in the dockyards and in garrison formerly attended the churche, in the neigh bourhood, hut that now chaplains were appointed with salaries of 2001. and 3001. each to perform divine service in the garrisons or dockyards. This was a needless increase of expense. Lord LOVAINE reminded the house that the officers of the Guards were deprived of their legitimate promo tion in consequence of the recommendation of the com mittee on army promotion. Lord A. VANE TEMPEST denied that the Guards enjoyed any privilege to which they were not entitled. Mr. CONINGRANI wanted to know what necessity there was for a general inspector of Foot Guards. SirJ. RAMSDEN replied that the appointmea of the officer in question was merely following out the system that prevailed in other branches of the service ; the only difference being that the number of men under the in spection of the Inspector-General of the Guards was less than that which each brigadier in the line had to inspect. Mr. ADDERLEY referred to the expense of sending the German Legion to the Cape of Good Hope, which he said amounted to 1001. a man, whereas they might have been disbanded at a cost of 20 1 . a man. He had made this etatenient before, but it had been disputed. Since then he ILA gone into the calculation, and found, taking the Blue-book as his guide, that he was pretty nearly cor rect. He took the three years' pay to which they were entitled at 94,000/. ; buildings' allowance, 50,000/. ; 115,0001. for outfits ; conveyance at 121. a man, including oefieere, 30,0001. ; conveyance of families, 10,0001. ; o ne ' year's rations, at 91. a man, 22,500 ; rations for families 7,500/. ; road making, bridges, and other works for opening the country, together with churches and chap lains' salaries, 20,0001. ; full pay during the voyage, 7,500/. ; arms and camp equipage, 15,000/. ; and free passage for supernumerary officers 1,0001. ; making to gether 268,500/. The grant of 40,000/, made by the Cep° authorities was for the whole German Legion, but as not more than one-third would go out, some 14,090/. must be deducted from that, and added to the net cost to this duchy of Cornwall would go to the Crown for the life of the reigning Sovereign. The house then divided— Ayes Noes ....... ~.. 18 Majority --343 The resolution was accordingly agreed to THE NAVY ESTIMATES. The report on these estimates were brought up and agreed to. THE AR MY ESTIMATES. On the motion for going into committee of supply on these estimates, Mr. WILLIAMS moved that the Army Estimates be referred to a select committee. He contrasted the esti mates of the present year with those of 1835 and 1852, showing that they were higher now than at any former period by some two or three millions sterling. The esti mates were five millions higher than they were in the time of the Duke of Wellington in the last year of the un reformed Parl'ament. He inveighed against the establish ments at Aldershott and Sherncliffe, where he said there were six generals over some 2,000 men, and predicted that in spite of all this expense another war would find us as unprepared and inefficient as we were before. As he did not think those estimates would be properly ex amined in a committee of the whole house, he moved that they be referred to a select committee. After some general conversation the motion was nega tived without a division, and the house went into com mittee. Lord PALMERSTON—Sir, according to the usual course it would have been the duty of my hon. friend the Under-Secretary for the War Department (Sir J. Ramsden) to move the whole of these estimates ; but. as my hon. friend has but recently come into office, and has only been able to make himself master of the details of these estimates, which he will clearly, and I doubt not satisfactorily, explain item by item as they are proposed, I thought it would be more satisfactory to the house that a member of her Majesty's Government should give those general explanations with regard to the principles that regulate the amount of force which we propose shall be maintained during the present year and generally in time of peace. And therefore I trust that in departing from the usual course—on the present occasion only—l have not done that which is useless. (Hear.) I would state, in the first place, that these estimates comprise estimates which in former years, owing to the separation of the departments, formed the subject of separate and distinct estimates. They now contain everything con nected with the military departments—namely, those eropenses that were heretofore proposed under the management of the Secretary at War, those that were heretofore under the Ordnance Branch, and those con nected with the Commissariat, and which were under the Treasury, and formed the subject of a separate vote. The house have therefore now the means of seeing et one view the whole of the military expenditure. lam sure that the hon. member for Lambeth did himself in justice when he said that from the alteration in tee mode of framing the estimates he was unable to make himself master of the details. I am unwilling to believe this modest statement on his part —(a laugh) —and I am sure Viet these estimates, which are in substance the same as those proposed before the dissolution of Parliament, are not too much for the grasp of my hon. friend. (A. laugh.) Sir, the first question that must naturally suggest itself to those who are charged with the duty of proposing the amount of the military establishments is what, under the circumstances of the moment, is the establishment which, on the one hand combines the greatest regard for eco nomy, and on the other, the greatest regard for the effi ciency of the service and the defence of the country. Now, it is a wed known maximthatif you wish for peace you must be prepared for war—si vispacemptera In one sense I differ from that maxim ; in another I think it is a sound maxim. If it is meant that this coun try should imitate the example of the great military mo narchies of the continent, and in time of peace maintain a military establishmeut adequate to the emergencies of actual war, I say that such a system would be ruinous to the country and calculated to defeat the very obj.-ct for which it professes to be framed. When we see a great country maintaining in time of peace armies of 300,000 or 400,000 men, we find that an unnecessary deduction is made from the productive industry of the country by the abstraction of so many hands from useful labour. An unneces-ary drain is thus also made upon the pecu niery resources of the country, and we else see that there is a defect that counteracts the very object in view, be cause the people ofehoee countries are accustomed to rely entirely on large standing armies for the public service whenever an emergency shall occur, and they are there fore not imbued when it does occur with that enthusias tic public spirit which we have seen in this country rise equal to any emergency which the accidental circum stances of the moment may require. Therefore the system of large armies ezimusts unnecessarily the financial re sources of the country, and prevents this development of public spirit. Well, Sir, I should be sorry to see any Go vernment in this country imitate the example of those governments. If, on the other hand, we were solely to consider what is necessary for the internal maintenance of order, a very small military establishment would be sufficient, because here we do not rely as in some foreign countries on the military system for the maintenance of public order. There are civil means of enforcing an obe dience to the law which supersede in a great degree, if not .ntirely under ordinary circumstances, the action of a military force. But we must consider the peculiar cir cumstances of this country. We have not only our own islands to defend, but we have possessions of great value, of great political and commercial importance, scattered over the most distant regions of the globe. We must therefore consider what is necessary for the pro tection of those possessions and of the country, not in caie of actual war, because that might require eaertions of a very different nature, but what is sufficient to pro tect us against attacks arising from not much previoaa notice. 'Therefore the military establishments of the country must be articulated to provide for the defence of the country against any sudden and unexpected danger, and to provide also a sufficient defence for the colonial possessions of the country. Our position is one which, without meaning to imply any doubt as to the con tinuance of peace, requires peculiar caution on our part. These considerations were well explained by my right honourable friend the First Lord of the Admiralty in moving the Navy Estimates. We have close to us a great military and naval Power—a • Power far supe rior to us in her great military establishments—a Power which is nearly equal to us in the amount of her naval establishments. And we must recollect that modern improvements have in agreat degree altered the conditions of both naval and military war. (Hear.) The improvements in projectiles, the great improve ments in shipping, have altogether altered the relative position of countries so near to each other. In former times, when we were at war with France—long may it be before that happens again I—the means of assault were confined to the collection of a great number of sail ing boats in the ports of the Channel, of which notice could he naturally given, and it was therefore easy for the Government to take precautions against any danger that might arise therefrom. But, as was stated by my right hoe. friend, there is now at Cherbourg the means for collecting a large naval force. The ships which we now build are of such magnitude that whereas formerly only a few hundred men could be transported by one ship now more than 1,000 or 1,200 can well come upon one heel. The circumstances of the country are pecu liarly fortunate. It is impossible for this country to rely entirely for its defence upon its naval means. (Hear.) There must be within the territory of the country the means of effectually maintaining ourselves, even sup posing our naval protection to be denuded or ineffectual. (Hear.) On the one hand I think it is the duty of the Government (and it the Government neglected their duty it would then become the duty of Parliament) to take care that our military establishment is not numericaay larger than is really required for the emergencies of the time ; but, on the other hand, having, as we ought to have, a comparatively small military establishment, it ought to be so organised as to be capable of speedy and great enlargement, and to contain within it those ele ments of science which are becoming every year more necessary for military establishments. It should also be so organised that those who may have to command it should be practised in those military evolutions which they may have to perform upon taking the field either at home or abroad. Now, the great fault in our military arrangements hitherto has been that they have ended with the regimental system. (Hear, hear.) But I may observe that our regimental sys tem is as perfect as that of any service in the world. Nothing could be superior to the British regiments. I re member hearing the Duke of Wellington say that the British soldiers led by the gentry of their country would do anything that was within the scope of human beings to accomplish. (Hear, hear.) If we wanted any examples we should find them in the late War in the Crimea. (Cheers.) Many of us have read that anecdote of tse battle of Inkermann when the gallant soldiers, assailed by numbers which to many other men would be over whelming, being almost exhausted, and their ammuni tion in a condition in which any troops might with hon our have retired, the cry went from one to the other, " Well, lads, we must stand our ground ; for if we go back the girls of England will laugh at us." (Laughter.) That simple expression of determination was just as heroic as any of those more eloquent and inflated senti ments of patriotism which are to be met with is the most eminently classical authors. Well, then, the ar rangements in oar regiments were as good as possible, but they were stopped. The condition of our army in a time of peace precluded that practice of evolutions and movements which belonged to larger bodies collected to gether. The brigade system and the divisional system were studied in theory, but were seldom capable of being practised in the field. Those officers who have the good fortune to serve in India see these things on a larger scale, but our officers at home were compelled to study them only theoretically in the closet; and a man might as well expect to learn how to swim by extending him self on a mahogany table, as to learn military evolutions by reading books in his arm-chair by the fireside. (A Laugh.) A great and most important improvement was made by '.be purchase of the land at Aldershott snd by the arrangements made there. Tne Government caused considerable number of troops to be collected there for Rummer exercise. They were there organised in the same manner in which they would be organized for ser vice in the field, in brigades and divisions ; and by that means the staff officers and the men themselves have t b i e o e n n , amade practically conversant with th ose opera etvethmaetnhtsas militaryof theoretically. collectionsesta b a t m nd e e x n e t r s c s a e s s in o f troops. The French, the Austrians, the Prussian., i;he R tremens, have invariably practised large bodies , collected together, and by that means have enabled their general officers and staff officers to acquire that practical know ledge which to essential in conducting the operatioes of country, which would make it very nearly what be bad stated. Making eves y deduction, it ler , impossible to pue. down the cost for sending nut the 2,300 men at less 1 - I:ie 200,0001. He had asked ,he right hon. gentlemee (nt. Labouchere) to show what equiva,!oet the country was ee receive for this outlay, or at last that portion o 4 it whie,, constituted the difference between the cost of disi,anding . the men and sending them to Germany, and that of pro viding for them at the Cape, but he had received no sa- i tisfactory answer. He now begged to repeat the question, and he reminded the house that it• would abdicate its functions if at the bidding of the minister it consented, without explanation, to vote five times as much as was required in any case. (Rear, hear.) \Vey ehetild the , government fix on these German soldiers to defend the Cape frontier ? Were there no EilOiett sol tiers to senti out—men who had served in the late war, wh ► had gained military exoerience, but whose service, now :hiy, peace was re-established, were not requir,d in our army ? The committee should also understand that there were more troops at the C +tee now than at any former time, even during the Kaffir war. He believed there were in less than 10,000 troops at the Cape at this moment. men were wanted let them be sect, but let teem be sol dier 4, and placed in the of soldiers. Mr LA.BOUCtiERE paid a high compliment to Gee vernor Grey, to whose great abi,ity and energy he cad we owed the preserva - ion of the Cape colony. He alt - gether denied that the proposal of sending the G,rnian Legion to the Cape had ernaeated from G.,vernor Grey —it was the g .vernment at hums that had suggested, and, they alone were re , ponsible for it. k ejoe WORTLEY said it appealed to him that im was hardly understood what th, German Legion had gone to the Cape for, They were that le rt of hybrie soldier which never answered. When the threatening aspect of affairs at the Cape ceased they would he dis bauiied, and would go as servants to :he b•.ers, ate] it, case of their being required and caled out, you couei not get 800 out of tee 2 . 800 men teat had gone here But the German Legion having gone there, he thought the expense in the estimate was is ,t large, and it eeeeted to him that as they were there the eetimatei ought to b, voted. Mr. HENLEY said the men were at the Cape, and he did not bee how the house was to avoid paying the money which was required. But the right hon. gentle man had brought back the question-of 'he endstineut of trained soldiers (whieh all foreigners were supposed to be) during the emergency of the war ; but these troops who were said to he trained soldiers were put into training again when they came to this c,eintry, and they iivre kept in training to amuse the hen. member for Colchester in his park—(laughter)—and to protect the "nursemaids" of Ess,x—(laugeter) and the training was kept up so long that not one of them ever saw a Russian. (Laughter.) He should be the last man to wish the Government not Lo keep faith with these men, but he could never un ier stand why you 01001 have enlisted them on such con ditions, hell of which would have made Englishmen jump at the offer. After all, the settlers of the legion were picked out of the different regiments, and were not more acquainted with each other or capable of working together than Englishmen picked out of regiments in the same manner. The right hon. gentleman said the ele ment of calculation was uncertain, but the element of payment was quite certain—(laughter)—and' every far thing that this country was liable to pay it would be called on to pay. He wished to know if the pay of these men was to be the same whether there was peace or war ? Mr. LABOUCHERE said that, as far as this coun try was concerned, the pay would be the same at times, but when the men were called out as militia the c..l,my would increase their pay. Mr. HENLEY said that if they got n taste for fight ing they might have an under,tanding and hick up a row with the Kaffirs—(laught(o)—br the purpos,.= of being put on the war pay and establiAment. He hoped his hon. friend would not divide, as, at any rate, faith must he kept with the men with whom it had entered into an engagement. Lord PALMERSTON said it was very easy to make a joke of a thing. (Loud laughter). The right bun, gentleman (Vlr. Henley) with his g.ave and serious 100 generally contrived to throw a great deal of j ,, cularity into his arguments. Toe last proposition of the right hon, gentleman had certainky surprised him, for he put it to the house that the German Legion would, for the sake of pay, persuade the Kaffirs to come out to be shot by those same Germans, in order that they might get 6d. a day. It was ell very well to treat lightly the measures which had been taken by the Government during the war, in order to increase the disposable forces at their command. [Loa. g ntlemen said the Govern ment could have got British ?oldie's; but the tact wa that they tried to get theni, but were unable to obtain them, at least not in sufficient numerical force for Vie purpo-es required, and they obtained the services of hese Germans, and excellent trumps they were. As to their being kept at home for the amusement of the lion. memo • her for Colcuester, the fact was,.that a great many i,t them were sent to Turkey ; ant all of them would have gone if there had been another campaign. It was use less to send them out in the winter; and if the spring had not broUght peace, they would have gone out, and no doubt bays done good service. But when the war was over, the question was, what was to be done with them / There was some anxiety felt at the Cape with regard to the Kaffirs, and it was determined to send them there. The h ,n. gentleman said that these men were not adapted for c.ilonists ; but the Government bad reason to know that it was a wise and prudent measure to send them out as military colonists. The hon. gentle man said, let the colonists defend themselves. Very good. But who were the best kind of colonists to defend the colony I Were they no:. such men as those who bad received military training and acquired military exile rience Toe right hon, gentleman said that English soldiers should have been sent to the Cave instead of Germans ; but most of the English se linos who were discharged were invalided, and those who were not inva lided preferred to go to their own homes and their own counties rather than going to lead a wild life at the Cape. With all deference to the right hon. gentleman and the jokes he had cut, the G ,verninent th .ueht that they were perfectly justified in the measure they bad adopted, and he believed that the result would show that they were perfectly justified in adopting it. The right hoe. gentleman, .h 'we've'', agreed that, right or wrong, the thing was done, and that the house must not cut off the sum necessary for carrying out the arrangement, and those who thought that it was a right one were so much the more fortified in their opinion, that the sum required for the comfort and well-being of the men who had gone out to the colony on the faith of that arrangement, ought to be voted. After some further discussion the vote was agreed to. On the vote of 36,2821. for volunteer corps, Sir J. RAMSDEN, in reply to a question, said it was the intention of the Government to call out about one third of the militia. Col. GREVILLE wished to know whether the men would receive 6/. bounty whether called out for training or not, and whether any alteration would be made in the remuneration allowed to the surgeons. Lord PALMERSTON said that the militia formed no part of the charge in the present estimates. When the militia was embodied it was under the direction of the Commander-in-Chief, and formed a part of the army ex penses. But when it was disembodied it did not form a part of the army estimates. The estimate for that ttranch of the service was framed by a conrnittee of the house apoointed for that purpose. Teat would be done late r in the session, and it would be more convenient to post pone any discussion relative to the details of the militia service until the vote came regularly before the house. BANKRUPTCY AND INSOLVENCY (IRE LAND) BILL. Mr. FITZGERALD moved that the house resolve itself into committee on this bill for the purpose of pass ing some of the unopposed clauses. Mr. WHITESIDE objected to the hous ,, going into committee at toat late hour (12 o'clock). The bill c .o tained 330 clauses, many of which were of great import ance. The house divided. The numbers were— For the motion Against it The house then resolved itself into coinmitr.ee, but after a short discussion the chairman was ordered to re port progress and ask lsave to sit again. The house then resumed. PORTLAND HARBOUR BILL. - - The house re4olvsd itself into ethothi.tee on this bill, The various clauses were agreed to, arid the house re. ,umed CINQUE PORTS ACT AMENDMENT BILL. Th.s bid way read a second time, and was ordered to be committed on Thursday next. MINISTERS' MONEY (IRELAND) BILL. Lord PALMERSTON intirna , ed that the Govern ment would take eltarge of this bill, and said that if the house did not object, he would at once move that it be committed. Mr. G. A. HAMILTON hoped the noble lord would not press the bill at that late hour. Lord PAU:VIERS rON said he would postpone the committee until Thursday nest. PRINCESS RO !AL'S ANNUITY BILL. This bill was bri , ught in and read a first time. EQUALISATION OF POOR RATES. Mr. AYRTON Eani in consequence ..f the ,llaess of the President of the Poor-law Board, he should postpone his motion on this subject. The house then wijouroed shortly after half-past 12 o'clock. [AnvERrisEuRNY.]--Medicine always aggravates chronie dis eases, such as dyspepsia (indigestion), flatulency, habitual con- stipation, nervous, bilious, and liver complaints, Jac., but Du Barry's delicious Revalenta Arabica Food invariably cures them in a very short time. We extract two out of many thousand expressions of gratitude from invalids :—From the Dowager Countess of Castlestuart. Cure 52,612.—Rosstrevor, County of Down, Ireland, December 9, 1854. The Dowager Countess of Castlestuart feels induced, in the interest of suffering hu manity, to state that Du Barry's excellent Revaleuta Arabica. Food has cured her after all med icines had failed, of indiges tion, bile, great nervousness and irritability of many years' standing. This food deserves the confidence of all sufferers, and may be considered a real blessing. Inquiries will be cheerfully answered.—Trevagler, Gulval, near Penzance, Feb, 20, 1851.—Eighteen years' nervous debility, violent palpita- tion of the heart, throbbing of the temples, violent pains on the left side and back, shortness of breath, cough, numbness of the extremities, cramps, spasms, flatulency, retching, and such general weakness, that I was consequently fearful of fall ing when on my legs; all these symptoms have been r emove d b y Du Barry's excellent Revalen. ta Arabica FooI—MARY GELBERri suppor ted by testimonials from the celebrated Protessoris Chemistry, Dr. Andrew Ure ; Dr. Shorlaud ; Dr. El 0 , Dr. Campbell ; 17r. Gattiker ; Dr. Wurz er ; Dr. Ingram Lord Stuart de Thomas Deeies ; theii Ding, and many he Dowager c a Cou o i t ites: re e s f „( iJ ,e a t s a t, , l , l( stuart; m person s, whose health has been restored by it, after all L tithe. mea ns of cure had failed. For further particulars respect , jog this invaluable food our readers are referred 6e Du Barry's advertisement in another part of this papsrl Country Markets. 6 1 E1 ELMs4 FOitl) —llAr 22. Whoa to-day experieuced a rather firm sale, fetching fully the prizes of last week. Spring corn of all kinds firth at last week's prices. Wheat, white, old, per s. A. : S. 8. qr.3l 71 Oats, per qr. 2l 30 new .... 31 70 Peas, Partridge 41 44 red, old 29 61 White...... ...... 39 47 ' new 29 61 Boiliug 39 46 Barley 35 46 Dun 37 40 Chevalier 40 54 Beans, Tisk ... 35 40 Grinding 35 46 j Harrow ticks 39 48 'tlalt 73 77 Mazagan 34 3 7 Chevalier 75 79 Ditto, new... 34 38 )tficial Statement of the Quantities of Corn, &c., ecAved in the port of London, from the following ports, [ioni May 18 to May 23, both inclusive. cA • .% 0 .s I fjrd . I 2'. Colchester . l 9( BSO, darwich 413 20 ! 88i , 30 il2 %laidon .302 I, lit , 400 COLCHESTER- MAY 23. To-lay we had a small supply of wheat, which had a ready sale at abaut la to 2s pir qr. adv:mce on last week's prices. Barley and oats wore iti small supply—the former sold slowly at Is decline, and the latter at prices the same as on last market day. Prices to-day were as follow :—Wheat, white, GO, to 68 , 1; red, 5-Is to 608; barley, 44s to 48s ; oats, 248 to 28s ; beaus, ,tlazagan, 36s to 408 ; middle and small, 38s to 448 ; peas, white, 388 to 428 ; grey, 80s to 428. KIRKCALD Y -MAT 23. A very moderate supply of wheat to-day ; the prices asked f. ,r best samples must be quoted at a slight advance. In b-irley and oats very little doing, and prices fur all sorts at is to 2.4 per qr. higher. Wheat. Barley. Oats. I Beanb. eirst - Od I 37s 01 32s Od I Os :second (bird 32s Od I —s Od I 26s od I Os " ' Oatmesl, 36s to 3tii per bqg of 2801 b. COAL alit( Prices of Coals per ton at tv 4 &TAY 25 t the close of the market. s. d. :!,ates's West Hartley 15 0 Bebside's Hartley l6 3 i do ward's West Hartley Netherton l6 3 Longridge's Wet Hartley 16 3 Hastings' Hartley l5 3 North Percy Hartley l5 ti L'autleld Moor l5 0 raufield Moor Butes 14 9 Walker Primrose l3 9 'lialtsend, Cassop • 16 0 Tees l7 0 Acorn Close l5 6 Lam btou l6 6 Russell's Hetton 16 0( Ships at market, vValiseuti, s a Eden 4osforth l4 6 Eden Main Kepier Grainge ... l6 6 Iraddyll l6 0 Framwellgate . 15 6 Pensher 15 0 deugi. Hall ; 5 6 South Hetton l6 9 Hartlepool Hetton l6 0 4tewart's l7 0 Riddell l4 6 Barton daswell 17 0 107; sold, 76. LOCAL SiIAR.B MARKETS, LIVERPOOL, MAY 25. STOOL EXORANGE.—The market was quiet to-day, bu t prices slightly improved. North British, 10i—North Eastern, Berw:ck, 2113—Lancashire and Yorkshire, 104 Ditto, new 91., issued at t dis., 11. ls. 3d. prem.—London and North Western, 1044—Midland, 83—Blackburn, 6 —Manchester, Sheffield, and Lincoln, 414 2—London Eighths, 3s. 9cl. d.—Grand Trunk of Canada, 16A- Dutch Rhenish, d. 11. ls. 3d.—Great Western of Canada, 22 Ditto, new, 1, p.—Suuth Eastern, 22i VIAN - 011 ESTER, MAY 25. STOCK EXCHANGE. -- The market was quiet, but with only a moderate basiness, and an improved change in prices. The s aes were—Manchester, Shefh-Id, and Lincolnshire , 42 i--Grand Trunk i,f Canadq, 16$—Great Western of Canadas, 22i— Ditto, new. 1 5-16 p.—East 14.4ncashiro , 9/- —Ditto, n-iw, s, —South Eastern, 22 i—Londons, 1.14/ Lancashire and Yorkshire, 1004 -- Leeds, 101. . BIRMINGHAM, MAY 25. STOCK EXCHANGE. —The market is quiet to-day, and prices are about, the same as yesterday. Great Westergo 66 —Loudon act North-We-tern, 10t4 to q—Ditto, Eighths f to s dis.—Birmingham Banks, 32—Birminghamand Aitiand Banks, DO. MR. BARON CHANNELL AND THE LIOME s,riquet was given to Mr Baron Channell on Sarurdaf evening at the Albion, Alder , ow.e-street, by the roar bee of ill , - Home Circuit, to celebrate his elevation to the judicial bench. One hundred gentlemen sat down to dinner, which was admirably served, The party wal joined by Sir F. The.iger, Mr. Russell Gurney, as other for mer members of the circuit. Mr. Seijeant Sheet the present leaser, p-esided, and the hearty reception given by the company to their distinguished guest indicated the gratification unanitnousl felt that one who had for nia , ,y years been known and respected as a member of their own circuit should have been ar pointed to the well-merited preferment which be DOW njo vs. RETORT ON IRISH CONVICIT PRISONS.—The third annual report of the Dir6ctors of Convict Prisons is Ireland was printed on Saturday. The ace .ninimiation in the Government prisons for c mounts on the Ist of January last is esimated at 3,496, and the number in o that day was 2 614 in the Government prisons, /ta d 162 in rhe county and city gaols, making a grog of 2,776. 389 convicts were sentenced in 1856. Ge,uierailv speaking. the industry of the convict- has been very satisfactory ; the record of industry being known to effect their progress in the a ,i eantsg ° , of classitica,iou bas been a constant stimulus, whic h, is hoped, will become still more powerful with the Me rl now under sentence of penal servitude. when the dir e e tors are able to place before them some more tang ible reward than is afforded by the mere increase of earning° consequent on their attaining higher classification. THREATENED INVASION Or NORMANDY.—At the l ast meeting of the Nu wcastle•upon-Tyne Society of Anti quaries, Dr. Bruce stated that an archeological excursi7 of ,:ome duration was projected, in which, be believe/ any member of the Newca,tle society would be allow!, to join. An invasion of Normandy had been planned the Sussex Archasologicallnstitute. A steamer was toss l, from Newhaven, and if a landing were effected 16° Dieppe a week would be spent in ransacking Normandy i Master Lower, he hoped, would be the Master Wane ° the enterpriPe, and indite a poem thereupon ; and the facts of the invalon would be pictorially handed d O wi to posterity by the facile fingers of certain Lewes gat' d as. The Builder, _ • a.,tv sartortm &NT. f - SIGIIT AND HEARING. —SPECTACWIEWsf, POWERFUL TELESCOPES.—OPERA, RACE, AND PE itSPBCIL` GLASSES.—Messrs. S. and LI. .•iolems, - .ls, opticians, 39, Akti . :,larie-street, Piccadilly. Obsetve--onposite the York 140 " - a W. By her Majesty's Royal Letters Patent for valuable 0 1 extraordinary improvements iu the most powerful and IT: liant T,:lescopes, Camp, !-;.aceeourse, 'Opera, auii P e rspectr i : Glasses, to know the distances. These telescopes I° B6° : such ,;xtraorcituary power that some, three and a-half inc h" with an estr. eye-p ece will show distinctl, J up it er ' s ineoll s ,. Saturn's ring, and tna double :tars ; with.the same t lescoi . can be seen a 1. e s )n's countenan te three-and-a-half mile • cl v* t taut, -..raci an object from 16 to 20 miles. For the wai•teot, erepocket, an re of 'ar .er. and 11 sizes, with inc , ea sith " isoweis accordingly. The Royal Exhibition. 1851 —A v 4lll i able ewly-invente very small pow rful Waistcoat FOIL', Glass, the size of a walnut, by which a person ,can be see, and known one and a half mile distant. hey an- wer purpose on the race-c.oure.e, and at the o:era Hensel' Country scenery, and ships are clearly seen at 12 to 14 rage' i hey are invaluable for shooting, deer-stalkimr, yachting, to st ort•mn , , ge g mek , epers, nd t'-u ists. Opel Camp, Perspe ye, ud R t,. , . ours s lasses, with wondell,„ ,-t pow rs. —In ‘ alu ble preserving Spectac l e Lenses ux & Lh a gr a eat transparent power :he gr,,at advantage derive from this invention is, th z ,t v i s i on i m p ired becomes e r a served and atreugthened, an.i very ate' , itersons are enab l es to employ their sight at the most minute occupati° l/ d can see with these lenses of a much less magni*ing P O , —and they do not require the frequent change- to 0 dangerous effects of further powerful assistance Peri , can be suited at the mo t remote part of the world by selj..A. iu one of the glasses out of their spect .cles iu a letter, 3 : 7;t stating the dist nce from the eye they can read small 11,4 with d, 4nd those who have not made use of spectacle s ; sta iug their age. DealnesS.— 'ecv Dis v ry.—T:/e ganie Vibrator, an extra rdirarily powerful, smal invented netreimen `or lealnes, tntirel,) , diff rent frog , : 0 , ot ers, surpasses anythi g of the kind that ass been. or r o baby ever can be I rod ,ced. Being of the same eel ont o : t:et skin, is not pert ptibl It enables deaf persons 0 11 ,,t disqnctly at church and at üblic a.ssem ,, be ; the uni , l o 7A, sensation .f singing noises in the ears is entir ly ; eino` e j, and .t affords all the assistance that possibly could be ,•e6lttlis _3 , ; , .emarle-street, Piccadilly.—Observe—opposit e York Hotel. W. BIRTHS. OF A SON On the 25th inst., at 21, Pavement, Finsbury-square , th wife of G. M. Hill, Esq. o f On the 25th inst., at 12?, Chancery-lane, the wife o G. 11. Becklord. OF A DAUGUTBA. On the 23d inst., at Leamington, the wife of Chas. Di_b Esq. o On the 23d inst at Doughty-street, Meeklenburrg re, the wife of Mr. MI Pound. MARRIED, dto o ' On the 22d inst., at James's Church, l'addi% s cr William Surrey, third son of Christopher Surrey' of Selwovd Cottage, Old Brompton, to Mary, .eldes t viving daughter of the late Wm. Poole, }4 . E . 1.0 S. ,tio On the 2241 inst., at Hockliffo, Beds, Captain o° „ r geto Priestley, 25th Regiment, to Charlotte Cherry, P li " daughter of F. N. Balmain, Esq. DIED. On the 22(1 inst., at the Universit Club, very 0,1' 36 1' David Arthur S aun d ers D av ies, E y sq., M.P.. for •A rlide thenshire, aged 65. C° lll. On the 22d inst , at Falmouth, John Hill, Et'cl. , 'wander R.N., I inst., aged 71. sq. , On the '42 at Hendon, Hear Walke r ' H E.1.C.5., aged 54. n CI the 24th inst., Sarah, relict of the late Benisoll Grimes, of 2, Osborn-street. Whitechapel, aged 64. 1 ,,. e .01V Oa the 23,1 inst., at Turvill-heath, near lle„.,n.,erep Thames and 60, Maria, widow of the late John ". 1 -r 9 ' of 19, S'svithin'..-lane, aged 70. l bi o n On the 24th inst. at 6, Clarence-terrace, A Stoke Newington, Miss Maria Rhodes, at a n advanc._l'o On the 23d inst , at Boothby Hall, Liacolnshire,° El , za)etb, wife of John Litchford, Esq., and Y daughter of ;Sir C. Egleton Kent, 're:e - jJo LWIDON Printed a nct Pnotifthod by MURDO of No, 112, Strand, Printer, 'at The Sul ()th 42 ee, 112, Strand, in the Precinct of the 310 , 07 1 in tbo un of Middlesex, Tuesday, May 26, 1t.'57. ~ __-- r"'~r 'BOSCO 1,1 N ROYAI Coloss lu a U tt S he S p i_ ri r ama of INDI A dmisslon t o N I E. witti E' Malls mayay 1) ay , c• at , NE ISS TIO Entire . S arclay u F ' at Stalls, 33. C EIU .„ fre DAnce lia, mon . ' an te. Da ' n t ci , "S. Gl]. each,D„by W orks and I] OVA C ig 'eau of the Laurent's R(1 I)rincipal C ei ght, cc a., ten. Admis L c 1 ,1 d aily, at 3 r ' 'EXIO Ph.tiontenl 4--T he ore ! Eat; its tr: Ifizieurn co: u nrivalled i till ID. Lectures, gr 11 OD Y JUT talented Vo W eek, a Gr, Julliea; see new and o Lando;" ar W. Cooke 11 ful Stud -of the afternoc out the gro Photograph ing• Reser Omnibuses Parts. 'lb( Arice One P T hy ttry Aem frailly, an Pan. t a e l r t ic l : l ° .i t g v h i t i cl h r e t i must bet' ever, wh o will eessfal CO for about know Will then glace rs. Or li - avy, d eDosit of Furth( Office, P; Gentle names t I By 2. By rained. P lllll and Trel MI Bth teParatc a 3 may at th e ' f , 185 7, b, f ( seen Pack e Maies tervil St , rl, l vionde nor ai Atirp o an p, O f th and b Ev by a tends tOntr New the In r fro, - suo tat( litic the skit tor, Its sYs