The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser. — Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1849-05-22 00:00:00

GREAT MEETING IN SUPPORT OF THE NAVIGATION LAWS. On Friday, the merchants, owners, and artisans of this Dot banker shippers, vv. •aa , .id I.IIWIr lOC the purpose of petitioning the House of 'Ards a second time against the suicidal measure for the destruction of the mercantile marine of this country, which h second reading in the House of Lords appointed to take p o'clock, but such w meeting in a larger buildiz theatre was selected for ti o'clock, his Worship th House, and briefl7 stitp elsewhere, he feitci j u the Sessions House number of persons w Accordingly, there was a theatre, which was soon shipwrights brought their the back of th we noti^ ,, ‘ l Clark Sincl the Sossio H. Glynn, Samu e l ffni John Lodi Kendall, I Fisher. Jo! The meetir House at one leg the Amphi- 3ossibility of nn like the , Charles lett S. H Thomas Baine Horsfall, J. M George 'Si . . Samuel Bright, J. Brereto , worth, - Kneeshaw, Robertson, John Clint, I John Archer, T. Derbvsl: F. Algernon Jones, John K. Dowie, R. W. Presto Bremner, R. Rankin, Geo Kelso, Robert Sem The MAYOU said— to the den, J I move to the Amphi- T I: e lud to t flags waved a ;t the c men present, :Ink, Robert nne, Arch G:orze r, William 'ab, Robert )n, Chas. Cote Joseph VlTillitims, Amey, R. Diwson, WillianiFisl jun.. Ifenr hn &art William Ashley, tsqr -Before he opened the nrnepodin. requisition, be would read to them a letter Jos. Brooks Yates, Esq., by Sir John G 1 dated " Fasque, letter was as folio tone, and , the 16th of May." The "HIV DR-kIL SIR favour of yesterday's t. my power to be pr day, but my most ) be tan 1, who hi sincerely regrel t wishes ommon country can be pre to ably defended in the upper William again On this sul in the Commons, unfor- I be then held in ith the request, fisted of some of y particular s, bankers, .1 (cheers) : there ad been only one town to the in- ,onstration on the important Lws. (ChE one of thc ) Tliey had constitutional ght of every English semblage there before ion had taken 1. It was , ple of ilie t .ess of the da, If to the introduction h they would be called be followed by tating not only this ear, hear.) It had y, of _every govern- o attord the means of ) confer the greatest ; and it would be for igation law the sacrifice s of property, for 6( t end ; i d wealth of the ler all the vital 10 fewer than epeated, matter, and express ather pet 1, had 'Hutment of their country .c matter not only and consider the effec ;uprema , her they could recomtoend ,count our enor- man in the country con of that debt—(hear) ; , this momentous question done so, to put the people taxed at the v, with such; bile we were zbipbuilding coun -1 but 93. 2d. per es ss. 2d. (hear, t that these were 1 . 63 t mo- then called upon a bad never before , ently placed before he had now the plea- n them of the amount of Cheers.) It was at at ynur interests c served, which int house by Lord Si "Last evening, I ct ; awl , though I reciprocity w tunately, on i In compliance with his hand, he felt it and convene The requisitio class or sect, . tradesmen, and every clw. fore, with such a requisit course left open to biff convey subject of the navi, , mbled to exer privileges which was th man ; and when he him, it was a convincing prool deep root in the minds of the _ _ of two or three of the upon to consid important question town but the cow been the policy, or -prof merit to the amount them al meetin hand should d and the immense in or depreciatio might be communit interests which one million c to determine an opinion, for them that been well ri (Rear, hear.) their r :ht have upon our r moos national debt in all its various b a head e, but he would Is poirt them to Co: our national - d such a measure, for in to compl composed 1 the mer , there 3 to COL ed by ti mentot Holse of emanated from ti fbnir lnwrichilla (1 that petition pre sure and gratification to inf respect which, it had commanded right that they should not only a first time but was their s Sove:•ei;n Viet( e the privilege of petition ond, and failing in this, it ge to lay a petition at the feet of our seas. (Loud and styled, and justly _ . ad there could not be a approach, with all that len, than the foot of the (Loud and Mir remark ing upon M pose the plause ;signed to me in )ving the first resolution .d with loud and iad subsided, lie r, to the duty whlch be competent to id a copy of the that paper I find „ on Laws," which states that at a meeting of me rc h an t s , shipowners, brokers, its of Liverpool, held yesterday, the 17th tain resolutions were adopted. Our was in the chair, and the resolutions ) I hold in my gentleman in this bt .d. answer it. (Hear., Liverpool Mercury of this c an advertisement headed " Tt day of May, 1 !re in support of the ministerial nr ir, it v it was a publ held. (A vc —(shouts of d them, used invariably (Hear, hear.) Well, gent] , there, but they tell us the ter.) wise d 'n, who is endeavouring to force oil :~ _.~_,~ upper house—where we were told it was no matter how we expressed ourselves in public meeting, so long as we were represented by gentlemen in the House of Commons, they should judge of us by the opinions those gentlemen ex pressed and entertained ? You will not misunderstand me when I allude to Mr. Cardwell and Sir T. Birch as being the gentlemen stated to represent the opinions of Liver pool on this subject. I appeal to you, Mr. Mayor, and the meeting, whether Mr. Cardwell and Sir Thos. Birch represent the town on this subject ? (Cries of " No, no.") 'When we carry our recollection back to the parties who represented the town before Mr. Cardwell and Sir Thos. Birch were brought forward—when we refer to that ex cellent nobleman the Earl of Harro..vby (the late Lord Sandon)—when we carry our recollection back to the other worthy and gallant member, Sir Howard Douglas— will this meeting , say that, on this subject, they were not better represented than they are by their present mem bers ? (Cheers.) Mr. Mayor, I recollect at the last election I expressed to you personally my distrust of Mr. Cardwell on this subject. You did not yield to my opinion at the time. I elcountered obloquy for the vote I gave on that occasion. I look on Mr, Cardwell as my private friend, but I won't allow private considerations to interfere with what I conceive to be a public duty on any question. However valuable the services of that gentle man may be in other respects,—and I believe every gentleman who has gone up to London will agree that a more valuable member than Mr. Cardwell cannot be found in other respects r —when he misrepresents you on a question so vital to your interests as this one, can you con ceive he is the one to speak out for you in parliament. Mr Mayor, along with other gentlemen who have spoicen on this subject, am as much opposed to the incongru itiesof the present laws as perhaps the- ministry can be, but they go much further than we are disposed to go. They are in terfering with what we consider the vital principles of the : laws. We are anxious to amend, but, at the same time, g like interference with their vital principles. For these reasons; therefore, and as your pre vious petitions have been disregarded, we have a right to meet again. I trust your voice•tnay' be trumpet-tongued intolhe House of Lords, and that it may have the effect of producing some alteration which will conduce to your interests,. and preserve to you what you conceive to be so veryadvantageous to you. Mr. Wine has alluded to a very old question,—that is, that foreign vessels coming into this port will carry their moneyaway with them, and spend it in foreign ports. He might- have carried the ar gumentfiirtber. Not only do all these vessels carry the moneyabroad, but the ship which brings her cargo to this port is built in•a foreign country. It is'opposed to a ves sel built in this country, which is unable compete with that ship; owing-to the very cheap terms-on which it has been built. len , is it possible the British shipowner can stand against the heavy burdens he will have to bear, when you consider there is an import duty on the timber of which FAS vessel is built ? There is likewise more ma terial in it. The foreigner has all at his own price, with cheap labour at his- door, and can send his- ship here to enjoy all the privileges of the British flag.. (Hear.) It may not be unsuitable that I should refer to 'another sub ject, from the connection I have with that part of the world. Tt is stated that the 'West Indian colonies are in favour of the repeal of the navigation laws. Ibelieve that one colony, Jarrsaica, petitioned for their abolition ; but they soon found out that the ship, which by the abroga tion of these laws- would enable them to send their pro- Nay 22.184# trader knew this well enough :he (the The ' „. er, beyond the cost of tilling it. (Hear. hear.) a 1 but little sympathy with rank and title, and '!', oil tcita depend that a peer out at elbows would meet, e - co io respect from that class. (Laughter.) I i ha t 0 peated, let the landowner beware ! But w e 5? be the effect produced upon the working class i n g l national family, and they would so free ',.. - ey Is poverish their landowner—destroy their sbiPP c o rest—make bankrupt two important branchl_ i f! that their too anxiously desired and dearly bonzle, ness would prove but a solemn mockery to bhf ro i, thousands of their unemployed and—in the TiV i DI cheapness_starving population. (Cheer:o 1 ` at that very moment, there was a cast food cheaper, or, at all events, as cheap, • bet' known, they had famine and disease decimating t 456 lation. (Hear, hear.) Why was this ? Becil e gl landed proprietors, who should be the guarilian3,e c o era, and supporters of the poor. were, fro'n n p beggs l other, no matter what, themselves bankrupt an',_.corie (Cheers.) Destroy their landlord and their snir,i o n impoverish t.e,.d England, and cheap bread would prove but a!re' n , s ili f produce supposititious advantages a snare. (Loud cheers.) What were the relative F-7 of the advocates and opponents of this measturc.ito theory of their opponents was that this ine au off° plunging headlong, without experience of facts tee them. But what did they who were in 'a v ," a lill retention of these laws contend for ? TRY, '1", 5 or with boastful pride to the - •and ''° r " 4 properities e „d pO - ; could point with enthusiasm to the P rc. beto which England f . Id • ie , in the scale of nations; t° „d r time supremacy ; to her commercial-greatness, a" (hear) ; h a lt too e in PO Iva. r peaceful, dignified', and seemingly - in , °' °/ „, ea :ft which she enjoyed amidst the strife and o '7o rounding nations. (Cheers.) Thus,. thee, and nn al when they saw government about to alter an' a ou rt laws and sacrifice those principles by wh ica ved had attained to this state of things, than.'; of them, with all respect, to listen to the ~...jivid' opinion. The interests of the shipowner , was not so great as were the interests of tile iraf ton dent upon them ; therefore, it was that the Pc%dete had emanated from Liverpool should be '1.400 1 better indicating public sentiment than the any other place—the community consisting 0 . „teat merchants, tradesmen, and artisans, all deP e '" us of 1 the maritime su p remacy an d mercant il e intere:n b t u land'. (Loud and p ro l onge d applause.) All°°-iieclt' been made to the deeply-lamented course Pla illustrious duke, regarding these measures. ft tion tile , strict integrity o f purpose o f thi s trillY',: t iass for hiS honour is alike unquestione&and 111 We - his ni but when we c ons id er th e unr i valle d' em i n ence 0 01 has won for his name throughout the-world---atigetito never betbre attained by any name during the li t 0 1 its possessor--may we not justly feel the deel )e ,, s ,,:cl l9 lest this last act of the venerated warrior shul a str after (we will not say tarnish) dim the brilliantt o t his unequalled glory ?—(Loudcheering.)' Al i g, b 0 5 ! been the achievements of the noble duke ; g r i e cto been the ben e fit s con f erre d , an d the glories r, e , to him back upon hi s coun t ry, st i l l we may ven,lfis je dict, that should thi s measure, carried solely, 0 Y ones once, realize th e consequences anticipate d b7its °Arvelli Great Britain w ill h ave susta i ned at the hands °`, WI! ton, a blow mo re f a t a l, an i n j ury deeper and In°'-nat than the combi ne d enem i es, his genius an d _ j va .- ( 11 01 conquered, could hav e i n fli c t e d u pon;her!—(l-'"311 continued cheering.) ee o4 Mr. CHARLES`TURNER presented himself t o s w ab motion. He would not, after the eloquent sP e , c a ,oo, had been deliv ere d, an d th e f u l ness i n which th",4llePi had been gone into; enter into any details; hid tested, as a merehant, against what appeared todco suicidal policy of surrendering- all those mall I t tgl,' which were now possessed by this country , (Cr ) `l ceiving, from the foreigner any adequate return. h/ t' " Hear, hear.") Fon himself, he could not see "I I policy which was good for the private merchant good for . the merchants at large. (Appleun v ee t the Americans give us their coasting trade, anu„;;; ; ; 6 „, ° ' empire to our manufactured goods without P5 3 ,10r,,, They would not allow to take American g o° ,"' fornia. They would preserve their coasting toile e - was no people who possessed a more protect ive ( ft l than did the Americans. (Hear, hear.) T h , eY ,h‘s9 9 ii land) were ready to reciprocate, but deprecatea:l"reti, of giving all away without something in re",„ /- lieving the maintenance of the navigation laws I' nected with the commercial rims--- believing their mainten— speritv of the c- ,,u- t o ntu t nav- tdi • - .. e sow racy he had great pl easure in seconding . the ~ (Loud cheers.) t , tO mayor. Mr In Mr. j'Br' ef. Y er A e T n E e S e t moved 0 what ve had d avote bee o n f t a l s 1 8 ; to petition from Jamaica in.favour of a repeal of the 'nn laws, he, having been concerned in the JP' • y for nearly half a century - , would sta stood alone, and proceeded but from a l!n1 1 te" t 1• nected with the trade of-that colony, and that Pe t d i of since been protested against by the main I)? ,8r merchants of that pl ace . (H ear, h ear. ) a petition which had been presented on the i 9 tec l6 from the colony of Canada; this also was an !so t ell and had since bee n su p erse d e d by othersof adir e f ) 1 0 site tende nc y. (H ear, hear.) • He held in 1115 testimon;-. %;e ii!;tS.,,hrfeP,("-c . . from the board of trade in Canaiint,!, l o l li it' was assert e d th a t th e repeal of the nav i g ate and making the trade of the St. Lawrence free't tend not only t o re d uce t h e rate of freights. ,b.sub and would h ave th e e ff ect - o f replacing the Brllbe ping by that of th e f ore i gner, who could 01 ' or upon, and wh o , if h e did go there, could not tni‘ca at a cheaper rate. (Hear, hear.) Some W el ; of which went to Quebec, when under the operat i ‘; t b, regulations ma d e by the corn' law s , had decline n ip l of freighta ge o ff ere d , an d had left in ballast. „pri concluded by q uo ti ng f rom Blackstone's cowm en of favour of the beneficial operation and retention navigation laws, and sat down amidst che ers. _ Mr. J. N. Wool), in-a fe w a pp ropr i a te rem 91. conded the resolution. The 11, 4A'roß appropriately ack nowledged the orderly cow: t:-.at this would add a sured them that if they were satisieciwTthile r ir l9°. was Stubbs' bands satsfie theß , plad with thyedem. the national an after cheers h a d b een g i ten f or t h e Q ueen, and P;,0•5 advocates for the retentio n o f th e nav i ga tion " meetinm separated, the: pr ocee di ngs having occtill wards of three hours. POLICE INTELLIGENCE• On Friday, a person living in Russell-street , `` 3 o 10s. for permitting a ferocious dog. that had bitten be at large. tO On Tuesday, a pe r s on name d A m b rose. was cu r flarvlnnn. n-_._ 1 ins whitechapel, in London-roa ., time ago. He was ordered to pay 40s. and 0 0 % 5 0 On Tuesday, Mr. Jbhn Oscar Ewart, late trereo the Brougham Instit u ti on , was summone d for f A po s I the books of th e i ns tit u ti on andla; after being superseded in the'office thaiVeforrn?„ril'il The magistrates rul e d th a t th ey h a d no j ur i s dicti" matter. E OF TRADE, ROC HDA LE.—ln the flannel market we have bfi b° little doing this week, and the merchants have Pur;i:o he wool market con tire, with little or no change in price. LEEns' —More business has been done, both in Halls-on Saturday and Tuesday, and in the warel!q the week, than 4• wa find in mat 2 Cl epurt. week. od in some cases on the advance, jest owing to stoc fo rW ''):4 being generally low, and the high prices obt,iined the present colonial and foreign sales in London. 1 0 ;00 H UDDERSFI ELD.—We have had a fair market ,st not so much activity as was man i fest during t he There is a strong impression that the price of "a be maintained, and manufacturers do not s ppear 0 0 , 'nut pushing the goods which- they have CO"Mni , Aro ty of theni'have ,S7cleTs.O' HALITAx.—Our Piece Hail presented a very appearance on Saturday, 'and there is no improc% dr - o- az c rrti , The demand for yarns is also slack f or th e home'"' s ftafio entirely at a stand for th e cont i nent ,- The spitin g ,' wori for the most part, compl e t e d th e i r orders, and Ilr","„inttn.ul stock. The late rates are, acc or di nz l v. not main"l"..l9" the buyer. BRA DFOTI have this la RD.—The manufactured goods o ff e red' in week met with as much demand as '2'. past. Witb a settlement of the disturbances on t Zta l lo there is na doubt there will be a very actiye ; to 0 0 ,11 1 autumn trade for all kinds of plain goods, wh!ch, w ool, Nit saleable. Woo/s: The opening of the colonial Itir London, at fully the closing prices of FebrtiarY, o cte a t ie trade somewhat by surprise, as sales had been a e t at! a considerable reduction from the prices sortgVoll i efe hoped to replace stocks at a cheaper rate. In li t l,e o there is not yet any dec'►ded improvement altbo , t t oti willingness nr• "- -t of ti— on the par, folders to dear Wc?701„ prior to receiving new clips,_ some of v ' a ntliL e Co soon be in the market. The diminution in the ( 1 11 (1 10.'0, —both sorting and combing—is causing noils.nn, „fferl . „ l : A i scarce, but notwithstanding the small quanta) fory i p arc not saleable except at a reduction in w oo r / 00 ).: 4 demand for reeled yarns continues very steadY cies after so many years of ruinous depression. - O,OO present more fixed than they have been for so%Dio:he especially for fine yarn s mad e of colonial wools , very firm, at 6d. per gross below March Pri c o . e re ssp numbers are somewhat less, say 6d. to 94. Pe_r . . et continues very bare of stoc.• jot!, cOTTINGH A M.—LAM—Our trade for the o s, has been quiet for nearly a ll d escr ipti ons of So 54'..1 gracious Scivereign, the mis Prolonged the styled, the " 0( better or safer pl respect and humility of I throne, and lay their peti Queen' prolong ..., il cheer the I s of th ins,i.) She had been ) He weuld:witl: of the - i asure for the repeal her marks of disap . Private.") was no ne- tlemen to hare published their reso- If, sir, on the other band, like to know where it was member of the people 11 remember that the: _ _ nough to contain to meet in Clavton-snuare. larg not. only don't meet in why they do not meet US her puutic; pcuur. k rwur3 ui iuugu lemen, I think they have shown a very scretion, but I have a more important conclusion to draw from this advertisement. It is this. I wish for no greater proof of the unpopularity of the ministerial measure in Liverpool than this private, or, as they would have called it, this " bole-and-corner" meeting of a few gentlemen. (Loud and long-continued cheering.) I shall go now, Mr. Mayor, to the more immediate object.of the present meeting. If, sir, it had been to adduce new argu ments or new facts why this ministerial measure should not pass, I should You well know, sir, that this question has already been most ably and most fully discu lbothhouses of par- Foment, but at two meetings already held in tins town on present time. the subject. (Hear.) But, sir, we nevertheless have an (Cheers.) Instead of that universal peace so boldly pre object, and that object is to ask the peers of England not dieted by the advocates of free-trade, we see war, and to allow this measure, which we consider so detrimental to anarchy, and misery, ravaging the greater part of Europe. British interests to become the law of the land. But, We see our West India colonies desolated, the planters gentlemen, We have curious inuendoes thrown out against and proprietors for the most part impoverished, or made us. as to our motives in opposing this bill. We are told bankrupt by acts of parliament. Canada has been de that we do not take it up on commercial grounds—that prived of protection for her corn, whilst she is subject to we do not take it upon national grounds, but that we restrictive duties on the part of the United States; and make it the mere battle-field for the overthrow of one galled by our laws and insulting measures, she has broken ministry and the establishment of another. (Hear, hear.) into some excesses which we must all deplore. (Hear.) Why, sir, we have gentlemen of all political opinions on But I can hardly trust myself. when I reflect on the man this platform, and for myself I repudiate the charge. ner in which these loyal colonies have been treated, to (Cheers.) I have no such motive. My only object in dwell on this point. This is not the time for rash legisla opposing this bill is on the ground that it will be seriously tion,—nor for depriving our shipping of that protection injurious to British commerce,—and I hope (said he em- which it has so long enjoyed, and which has formed the phatically) not fatal to our naval supremacy. (Loud foundation of our colonial empire (cheers). With these cheers.) But, Mr. Mayor, we have reciprocity treaties remarks I shall conclude, and still hope that, by a deter in existence with almost every nation, and if these treaties mined stand made in the House of Lords, we shall see are not sufficiently enlarged—not sufficiently extensive— this matter brought to a successful issue (cheers). I by all means extend them further. But I should like to have great pleasure in seconding the resolution proposed know why, and I never yet have heard the question satis- by Mr. Horsfall (loud cheers). factorily answered—when nations with whom we have The MAYOR then asked if any person had an amend treaties have the power of bringing the produce of their meat to propose, and there being no answer, he put the own countries in their own ships into this country, why resolution to the meeting. It was carried by an immense we are to go further and introduce a third party. (Loud majority, only two hands being held up against it. (Loud cheers.) No reason has been assigned. It has been cheers.) stated by Lord Carlisle, Sir James Graham, avid others, Mr. SAMUEL HOLME (councillor), on rising at the call that the object is to cheapen freights, and they tell us at of the Mayor to propose the second resolution, was hailed the same time that the British shipping can compete with with a tremendous burst of applause. He spoke nearly that of anyother nation. (Hear) If, sir, the object of that as follows :—Mr. Mayor, and gentlemen, if, on a vital measure—if the result of that measure is to cheapen and important question like the present, I had hesitated freights, it answers itself. It must supersede some por- for :one moment to respond to the call made on me to R. Ho s were not Lion of British shipping. (Cheers.) I much mistake, if. in addition to this, the foreign flag does not, in some degree, supersede the British flag;—(cheers)—for we can not suppose that shipowners, when deprived of the privi leges and preferences which the British flag now confers, will continue to sail under that flag, withall its incum- . brances with regard to seamen, apprentices, and so forth, from which foreigners are free. (Vehement cheer ing.) There is a very long speech in the House of Lords from Lord Carlisle, and the noble lord gives us a string of reasons for strongly objecting to the not founded on fact,—(hear)—and others of which are very easily remedied without affecting the principle of the navigation laws. The first statement to which I shall allude is this:—" That co )er ore, now _ . in great and growing abunance in Austrailia, cannot find a sufficient number of British ships to convey it to this country, and the very high rate of freights, . 7 ••••••,.. WU, a 11151.1 ille profit of what is sent, which has led to the project of at once establishing smelting works in Australia, instead of employing, first. the shipping, and then, next, the manufactures of England, for that purpose." Now I venture to say that statement is not founded on fact (loud cheers). I venture to say, that so far from there being a deficiency of B r iti s h s hi pp i ng , vesse l s •. • cont' y going India (hear. bear). sir, with regard to rom Australia to search for freights in Yes, going in ballast (hear) ,rich attach, iounclation, in tact, ment (hear). The only reason they do not come is, that they are not satisfied with the freights which the British shipping will accept. They will not come to England with out a much higher freight. So much for this statement (cheers). Then Lord Carlisle tells us further of some dif ficulties that have occurred with regard to cochineal, Ma deira wine, and indigo, which cannot be imported under certain circumstances. He states that cochineal, the pro duction of Teneriffe, cannot be brought from Cadiz ; that wine, the production of Madeira, cannot be brought from 'sbon ; and that indigo, the production of Java, cannot be mit it trs brought from Il and of the Earl of Carlisle, a say whether he does not know that the whole of these restrictions may be remedied without en trenching on a single principle of the navigation laws, by in these articles, I find they them together, and many oth ship alludes, and there could n ing to those who are trading say that, take the whole of items to which his lord t be found, in such a con- dition, freight for a single object c any juju' hip. (Hear.) Well, sir, th e f the opposei:s of this bill is not to inflict :v on their fellow- merchants. No, sir, let Lrrying the heavy s.) One very die to which you, cannot get the ore brought to England, but owing to some portion of the ore being so poor, and as they want to place it on English soil as cheaply as they possibly can, they smelt it before they ship it (hear, hear). By the last ad- vices there was no ore offering for shipment (hear). The next point to which Lord Carlisle alludes is this— " That at Bombay and Calcutta, though there is constant uncertainty whether there will be ships to carry produce to England, and the freight has been as high as eight eui- neas a ton, and though the same ports are filled with ships not only seaworthy, but efficiently commanded, and which would bring home that produce if they were suf. _I 1 to ships manned by Lascar sailors, they are not suffered to do so." I will not accuse Lord Carlisle of wilfully deceiving the house when he told them about freights being £8 or eight guineas a ton. I venture to assert that, for many years shipowners have never had a freight approaching to anything of the kind. It is quite true that, for a temporary period, £8 Bs. had been paid ; but at the utmost, for the last ten or twelve years, the average freight had been nearer £4 than £5 (hear). And here I must say, that if Lord Carlisle is at liberty to bring forward an exception, and to mention an individual case, when, for a very short period, vessels, some two years ago, got a freight of eight guineas, I shall bring forward a period, which fell within my own experience, of British vessels, where, instead of getting eight guineas a ton for freight, they only got fifteen shillings a ton (loud and continued cheers). Then, sir, with regard to that portion of the case which refers to the Lascars, he tells us that the Indian ships will not come to this country manned by Lascars. Why, they have been here, and they can come again ; there is no impediment whatever; there is no • ' - ^t. for this Stßt' and conti- I tho bulky articles. (Cl: important wing to keep in view have alluded—is employ/I:en for artizans ; and, sir without reference to this subject, I should like to review ngle moment, t e elements of sh this is a question vitally affecting not only this town, but every town and every parish in the kingdom. The tim• ber employs, in the first place, the foresters and carriers rtificers that form the finishing work, consist joiners, and others.. The iron employ: . e smelter, then the carriers, then the carpente first the miner, the the miner, then the smelter, perhaps the British shipowner, in bringing the ore from the colonies or South America. Then the Bri tish shipowner employs British seamen to the number of 23,000. (Tremendous cheers from the blue jackets.) These seamen, these artificers, are now justly proud of keeping themselves and their families off the parish : and if this bill passes, I leave you to say what the consequences will be. (Tremendous cheering.) Now, sir, we have already nad an allusion made by you to the right of peti tioning. You, sir, have spoken in great commendation of that right—a right which the inhabitants of Liverpool have exercised, and will exercise again. (Loud cheers.) But I should like you to hear, if you have not read, what a minister of the crown, what Lord Grey says, about your right of petitioning and those that petition. (Hear.) He says, "In the course of the present discussion great stress had been laid upon the nature and the number of petitions presented to the house on the subject before their lordships; but they all knew the machinery by which petitions were got up, both on the one side and the other—a machinery which had gone near to destroy altogether the right of petition ; and he must say that tat destructive gorously than upon the present occasion. They were told, for example, that a petition from a town containing only 300,000 inhabitants, (but which I call 400,000;, bore the signatures of 47,000 persons. He presumed it was cell known that there were consilerable divisions n .nhinot of the navigation laws; and then did any one suppose that a genuine Petition could have been fairly signed by three-fourths of the adult male population of the town ? and, even supposing it to have been so signed, that it deserved any degree of weight; proportioned to the number of signatures which it bore, when many of those who signed it must have been paupers, beggars, or worse." (Hisses and other marks of general disappro bation). This is the answer of the minister for the colo nies to your petition, and to your right to petition, which I hope you will never abandon (loud cheers). And again, bear in_mind that this minister of the crown, Lord most strenuous advocates of the people's rights. Whrn it answers his purpose he courts petitions, but when it •pit his purpose lie scorns them. This, too, by does not er of the-cr of Lords, by a majority of fourteen of those who were rresent, and carried by a majority of ten—by the proxies of men who were not present, and never heard the arguments used, either on one side or the other. (Loud laughter.) Gentlemen, I might protract these that there are persons to follow me who will have to tres pass to some length on the attention of the meeting, and I will, therefore, only say, in conclusion, that if this bill passes into a law, God grant that we may not find, when too late, that we have forced away the mainstry of our com mercial greatness—that we may not find when too late that we have thrown down the bulwarks of this sea-girt isle, but st the peace, V-- _ , ...e prosperity, arm .he power oi ye, of Old England, may still continue—(cheering)—that rur gracious and beloved Queen may not only reign, as reign she does, in the hearts and affections of her people, but that. she may reign—through the medium of the British Navy—mistress of the seas. (Vehement and continuea cheering.) Mr. Iforsfail concluded by prone 'ng the first resolution, which, with the others, will be a our advertising columtu Aid. ROBERT SELLER I DRSO chairman of rising to second the lc - - and Gentlemen, I have listened with great attention to the excellent speech of Mr. Horsfall, and cordially second the resolution which that gentleman has proposed. Having been engaged in business all my life, being a ship ► having now the honour of being chairman of ommittee, I think I may fairly claim to have owner, an, vu Luis subject. (Hear.) It is my not compete with foreigners, but that if it were re belief that if any enemy of this country had to devise a moved they would be able to do so. Parliament listened, plan to ruin our maritime commerce and our colonial cm- and the consequenC3 is that the manufacturers of Man pire, he could not find anything so effectual for that pur- chester receive their cotton duty free. This was to enable pose as the repeal of the navigation laws. (Cheers.) The them to compete with the manufacturers of France and great body of the inhabitants of Liverpool had deprecated Germany. Now, Mr. Mayor, I wish to ask whether ship this destructive measure. Forty-seven thousand of our building is not a manufacture as well as cotton-spinning ? fellow-townsmen have signed a petition against the bill, (hear); and I say if this bill passes, the shipwrights and and that that opinion is unchanged, the intense interest shipbuilders of England have b een mos t unjustly d ea lt . . think that the representations of this important town ought not to be disregarded. (Hear.) Mr. Mayor, if ever there was a time when it would be impolitic, when it would be unsafe to press forward a measure materially end - '-bq our shipping interest it is at the p -t ~, every farthing of it—unless th e d u ty b e t a k en off iron, hemp, and everything which has to undergo the manipulation of the English artizan. (Loud applause.) Sir, I have some statistical statements here. only I know how imnroner it . . is to occupy time when others have to speak after us ; but I do protest, in the name of my fellow-townsmen, against victimising the operatives of Liverpool for the exclusive benefit of those at Manchester ;—I protest against their throwing shackles on us, they being left free; I protest against protection being given to the cotton-spinner, while no protection is given to the hardy shipwright, rigger, and other classes connected with them. (Loud applause.) Sir, if this measure is passed, Ido not hesitate to say that the property of Liverpool will be de preciated. I thought it right the other day to move in council that the corporation should petition parliament not to pass this bill. We did right to petition on the subject. We are the representatives of the town, and as a large portion of the corporate revenue is derivable from letting shipbuilding yards, and as the bill might deprive us of the power to aid, as we did last year, the parish funds, we had, in our corporate capacity, as every trades man had in his individual capacity, an interest in the ques tion,—for the property of all will be depreciated in a re lative degree to that of the shipowner. (Hear, hear.) Then there is another matter, and I throw it out to the peers of England who voted for the bill. Their noble oaks, in stately magnificence, may adorn their forests ; but I beg to tell them, that if they pass this bill, they won't get 3s. 6d. or 4s. per foot for the timber. It may grow as ornament, but when felled will be brought into competition with foreign. (Hear, hear.) Sir, fill up the catalogue of the nation's folly ! but I tell you there will be one Interest which will not be unscathed—it is the in terest of the 400 or 500 manufacturers who have forced this bill upon government, with Mr. Ricardo at their head, and I don't know whom at their tail. (Laughter,) THE LITERPOOL STANDAR& propose, for your consideration, the second resolution, I Nobody asked for it, but those gentlemen. There is such feel, indeed, as a rative of this town, and as an English. a.thing as the home trade, and a decent, respectable far man, that I should have been perfectly ashamed of myself, mer whom I met in the street, the other day, told me, for I hold that a man, whatever his profession may be, is " I can't get for my produce anything like what I used to an enemy to his country if, when he is satisfied a measure do, and cannot pay my rent, although my land is only let is about to be proposed that is detrimental to the real at 30s. the acre. But I said to my wife, Betty, thou must interests of the country, he does not lift up his voice only have one gown in the year; I'll only have one coat, against it. (Cheers.) On that ground, I appear here to- and we must try and make ends meet." This is a plain day for the purpose of lifting up my feeble voice against illustration. If the wages of our operatives are to be re that measure, which is attended with such fearful business duced to the level of those of the Baltic, we cannot employ in our legislature. Our ancestors deemed the laws which the woollen trade of Yorkshire, and the consequence will protect our mercantile marine to be the great bulwarks of I be (let my words be noted !) a reaction of the most fearful the British empire. Under these laws the navy of description upon the manufacturers of the country. lam England became the security of England ; and when other no alarmist, and do not wish to prognosticate evil, but I states were deluged with blood arising- out of the wars believe that the manufacturers of Manchester will he the autkuil lUVUIULLUII, Lutl Hag (n. xingianu wavcu triumphant over every sea. (Loud cheers.) We are reminded that in the exciting days of Copenhagen, St. first to feel the squeeze, and lament that they ever forced so odious and suicidal a measure upon the legislature. Sir, Mr. Muntz, the member for Birmingham, was as liberal a man as I know. He was at the head of reform meetings, and cried out for free trade with Stentorian lungs. He told a different tale in the House the other day ; for Mr. Muntz had found that the articles in which he deals could not compete with foreigners ; his tone was altered. (Hear, hear, and laughter.) Therefore I say the day will come when the electors of the West Riding of Yorkshire will look out for another repre sentative, and Mr, Cobden may live to be scouted in the very streets of Manchester. (Applause). Bar, sir, it has been said, and said by dignified men•, " Oh, the bill must pass; if it do not pass, the Queen - will be left without a government. (" Oh, oh.") While I re joice, as an Englishman,. in the right of petition. I also re joice in the right of speech—(applause) --and I tell you deliberately, that if the Cli.peen cannot get a better govern ment than the imbeciles at present in power, the sooner she is without such a government, the sooner will justice be done to the country. (Applause.) What, sir, are we come to such a pass as this, that England cannot exist if *h were upset, when the nations of Europe were deluged with blood, that under the defence of the Brit'sh navy this country retained its supremacy; every one of us sat under our national vine and our national fig tree, enjoying peace and security, none making us afraid. (Loud cheers.) And when, gentlemen, a mighty spirit spirit of earth, laid Europe prostrate mig . ht . at his feet, and wh en th e t r i- co l oure d flag waved vigor ously over Europe, from Lisbon to Moscow, there was one flag. that remained unco nquere d—th e fl ag of Eng ll' 1 • . e promontory of G tar (loud c hen N issued his Berlin decrees, as victory after victory was declared, the passionate exclamation of this man of blood—Of this lintiriney onornvy of 17.nrpland— gland will never be ruined but by the - folly of her own Parliament." (Loud cheers.) Such a prognos tication seems as if about to be verified, I regret to say, and that by the senators of England (cheers). But as this subject has beeu completely exhausted by the able letter of Mr. Young, and by the eloouent letter of my Lord taniey, tor which we are very much indebted to him— (loud cheers ;) a voice, "Three cheers for Lord Stanley :" cheers were accordingly given)—' '4 ill become into statistical I may, ••u la UVULA 411 C purse UL .nrig land, throwing Canada, and every colonial state which Lord Grey has to govern, into entllessconfusion ?—(hear, hear, and applause)—that we cannot do without the mul titudinous family of the Elliots, who cominand almost every ship in 1r Majesty'- particulars. _ however, say, that previous to the year 1823—in the year navy--(rainy, —and fig when Mr. Huski sson ma d e th e a l terat i on i n our naviga- almost every post in which it is possible to cram an Elliot ? tion laws—when he inserted the wedge of free trade in the If we cannot do without such imbeciles, such leeches as shape of reciprocity--a wedge which certain gentlemen in these, then the sooner the Queen looks• out for another Manchester are desirous of hammering home till it rends government the better. (Loud applause.) . For Ido not the constitution of England —at that period the mercantile hesitate to say, that if the present minis - by go on holding navy of England was indeed predominant. Taking an the-helm of state they will strike upon the rocks, and average of three years previous to 1823, and coming up to themselves and all others be engulphe&. (Applause.) the present period, the increase in British shipping has The way in which they have gone on has reminded me been 72 per cent., but the increase in foreign shipping has often of the saying of the Chancellor of SWeden, Oxen been 399 per cent. And yet with this fact before us, we stern," See, my son, with how little wisdom the world are about to admit the foreigner to equal advantages both can be governed." I now, sir, approach a subject with at home and in our colonies, while he denies us participa- difficulty; but although I approach it with dhlicacy, I'm tion in his privileges. Can anything be more absurd ? in the habit of speaking the truth, and must say it here, At present there is a great superabundance of British however painful to my feelings. Sir, I regret to see that shipping, and the competition which exists amongst our the vote of the venerable Archbishop of Canterbury was shipowners keeps down freights. And when lam told it given for thin regret to see the vote of the Bishop of is absolutely essential, for the purpose of cheapening the London given in favour of it—because those venerable commodities on which we live, that thi freights should be prelates, whose names I mention with respect, were once reduced, I admit the principle to a certain extent, but ecclesiastical-governors of this diocese. As such they deny the inference. lam told by a merchant, on whose , made appeals-to the merchants of Liverpool for the erec- worn .e can with every confidence depend, that th, freights are barely sufficient to pay and guarantee the ex penses of the shipowners ; and when we know that the great articles of bulk are carried by foreign vessels—that ueen made. duce cheap to Great Britain, would also allow the . Cubas cotton is almost altogether brought in American bottoms, And, sir, I regret to- see another ecclesiastical governor and other slave states the enjoyment of the same privi that Balticthnber is brought in foreign ships—these articles arrayed against the navigation laws. I allude to the vene- leges as themselves. Do you think they would be in of consumption, whi c h arc use d t o th e gr eatest extent by rable name of Wilberforce. When I see him engaged at favour of abolition when their produce may be brought in the great body of the people, are articles which, if you public meetings, in promotion of benevolent objects; I foreign vessels instead of their own ? I shall conclude by reduce the prices t o th e ship owner , you do Mai a great cannot suppose how he could vote in favour of a measure heartily seconding the motion that has been proposed. injury, without doin g a- cor res p on di ng g o o d to the consu- which is in opposition' to the best interests of our fellow- Mr. SAMUEL HoLur -again stepped forward. He said, mer. I hold it to be the deepest injustice to injure one subjects. Sir, I draw a veil over this su bj ec t, b u t th ere i s —A gentleman has told me that I have uttered what might class to b e n e fit i n th e s li g h test d egree anot h er c l ass o f one over which T will not draw a veil. I come now to our be considered as a calumny on Ireland. What I 'stated hear, representatives. h have stated in my place in Council, was this, that there are traitors in Ireland ; but I beg to and I beg deliberately to repeat it, that Mr. Cardwell— say distinctly, and let no Irishman misunderstand 'me, (hissing)—has acted inconsistently with reference to this Ireland contains as gallant and loyal spirits as any-the measure. It is true that Mr. Cardwell evaded giving pub- world holds. (Loud applause.) Therefore, don't let any lie pledges on this subject, either on the hustings or else- man go away and think'that I have uttered a calumny where. But what did he say, Mr. Mayor, when you, in , against a country which Rove as much as any part of our an unfortunate moment, became his seconder at the elec- dominions. (Cheers.) tion ? " Gentlemen, what have you to fear, when you The motion was then put and carried unanimously. see me with the Chairman of the Shipowners' Associa- Mr. CHRISTOPHER Bi.r.sli•ELL was next introduced to tion on my right hand, and the Chairman of the Dock move the adoption of the petition. After reading the Committee on the other?' Sir James Graham has petition (which will be found, as an advertisement. ire • Parlinmr.”l- t kn+ +LEI T • tion of schools, churches, and the alleviation of misery. We see around'us how the merchants responded to those appeals ; numerous spires now nointine to heavpn, r.ray. the community (. near). Now, sir, I wish to say that at the present moment there is 'a large amount of un employed labour in this country ; and we have an increas ^, population which is causing the deepest anxiety to all -will and retlectine; minds (hear). Sir. Mr_Cohdpri stated r a short me ago, in Ins place in Parliament pretensions, which could by any possibility bring him be: fore the meeting, beyond those simple pretensions whiclr, they. in common with himself, had in the matter. He had been requested to move a resolution, and although it was' • - had add— iong since he ft.— Dressed a public meeting, he felt it a duty from which he ought not to shrink. The bill before parliament set out with a falsehood, and, if he. greatly mistook not, it would end in disappointment. Its very title indicated what the bill was : it said it was "a , bill for amending the laws in force for the encouragement of British shipping and navigation." Haw could that be called amending which was ta destroy ? How could that be called altering which was to get rid of altogether They had heard what were the , details of this bill, both there and in the houses of p ar li amen t, th ere f ore he should not then dwell upon them, but offer a few general obser vations regarding the principles-involved. What was the avowed object of these laws, which, if he had rightly read, had been enacted in the time of Cromwell? Their. maintenance of our maritime supremacy, the encourage ment of British shipping, British shipbuilders, and British seamen. (Hear, hear.) Had t:iese objects been accom plished ? Let the experience of the past by a comparison of our relative position in these respects with other nations of the world, reply. England stood alone in her maritime, commercial, and manufacturing supremacy. It had' been urged as a reason for the repeal of these laws, that; already they had from time to time been amended !axed to suit our altered circumstances, and there there existed no reason why the " shreds and which remained should not be got rid of alto- fore Poi , patches' gether: They, on that side the question,readily admitted thatielaxations and perhaps wise amendments had taken plaee ; -but could this, by any man of common sense, be Llich were con- y going on rut was t hereany man w 10 was insane enough, to say " you continue to alter and amend these laws, far better get rid of them altogether ?" (Hear, hear,.and loud cheers.) This would be an inconsistency, anu absurdity which no man would be guilty of. (Hear, hear,. hear.) It had been urged, then, that because these laws had been amended, . they might be repealed altogether, with safety. What would be said of the me dical practitioner wt having, fora time, prescribed opilun to a patient in small doses,. and with great advantage, should, therefore, order him to take the whole bottle, as. suring him that, as a little bad done him so much good, the more he drank the better he would be ? (Laughter and cheers.) Well, what would be thouplit of thp ginntnr As to the patient, they knell , equally well what would be come of him. (Laughter anti Appr. 1 Th... • a. 1.." rca •L7I.M.G of the ages in which they were made, were now termed " shreds and patches ;" but- shreds and patches though they were, they were far preferable to the state of nudity --A-- 1— • 1 a - • • time, inasmu _a as that-they shielded us from the perish ing influence of inordinate and untaxed foreign competi tion. (Loud cheers.) Would the pretended charity of these philanthropists incluee them to step forth to strip ' - ‘ ,. .ggar of his rags, and leave him altogether naked ? ,Loud — cheers.) This was just what the iovernment of the day were now doing. (Hear, hear.) But then it was said that the colonies and the new adopted principles of free trade demanded this sacrifice. Our colonies! " 0 shame ! where was its blush ?" (Cheers.) Who ruined our West India colonies ? (Hear, hear.) Who, under r , °critical k .of a spuric some of the finest portions of these, our boasted posses sions, a labyrinth of jungle ? (Cheers, and cries of hear, hear.) Who emancipated the slave in one district, and stimulated his owner to the double use of the whip in an other ? (Hear, hear, and cheers.) Who, in another co lony, by a dastardly and unprincipled expedien c y, had with the r Ily disaffected ? rid new sought, under the shallow pretext of benefitting %till ie colonies. to dectrnx. /1- and prolonged cheers.) The colonies, now held in such high estimation, were but the other day regarded as of no more value than a bundle of dirty rags, and this new and worthless sympathy had arisen ainnntp the vey, 111.1 sins of omission and commission, one colony at least, had sunk into irretrievable ruin. (Loud cheers.) What was the next thin for which the British shipowner should be sacrificed, that the national wealth rni . ght be increased and the principles of free trade established ? Avarice, it the demon form of cheapness, was rampant in this country. (Hear, hear.) We lost sight of all the means by which this cheapness was acquired, so that the end in view was attained. "What more captivating charm could be presented to a starving workman than cheapness ? (Hear, hear.) Aut was " ' " He (NJ- n . tiusbell) would show that, improperly used, it was not a blessing but a curse. (Hear, hear.) Further, if the government yielded to the popular clamour, he would ask would any amount of cheapness satisfy those who asked it ? (Hear, hear.) It was one of those crav ings which, the more was yielded, it still more cried out, "Give us." (Cheers.) If the loaf was half it. .vo_ .Glll/ Fa - aatu %AUL/ AlieW 1U was cheap enough—there would still :be a cry for additional cheapness. (Hear, hear.) Cheapness, he repeated, was much misunderstood ; its ultimate benefit depended entirely upon how it was produced. Cheapness in bread no doubt was a good thing if it resulted from improvements in agriculture, with the blessing of God on the exertions of the husband man. (Hear, bear, and analause.) Ti,;. envl- nb _ ness wasy..~,ycA4,llllituly a blessing ; for whilst it gave abundance of food to the consumer, at a low rate, it was equally producti ve o f wealth to the agriculturalist and landowner. (Hear, hear, and applause.) But cheapness produced by reason of an untaxed foreign competition, was ruinous alike to all classes of the community. (Hear, hear, and loud applause.) Cheapness in freights, for in stance, was well enough when one British shipowner had to contend with another in healthy competition, and where both parties paid the same amount of taxes, and carried equal weights in the race. (Applause.) Set a man loaded with weights —say, if they liked, his share of the national debt—to run a race with one who started free, and where was the fairness, and what would be the result, of such competition ? (Hear, hear.) What, he would ask, would be the effect of such unequal competition upon the owner or the occupier of the soil ? (Hear, hear.) It was strange, to take low ground, that men could be so blind to their own individual interest in this matter as many of the landowners in both houses of parliament ap peared to be. They seemed to overlook the fact that the interests of the shipowner were identical with their own, —that the inordinately cheap carriage would remove t h e 211 29.87 29.86 ' 6 fo last vestige of protection remaining to the home producer. THE WEATH ER.-15th: bright; night. Cl i l t; (Cheers.) The landowner must beware lest foreign com- ing, heavy shower ; clouded,-17th: 1 1;115. - 1 ,e0 . 1c , ' shower; p.m. clouded; night, light rain, sq„i-alit,iu+ 0/ 0 ' petition should, at length, compel him to give up his rent noon, light ; squalls.-19th : brilliant ; altogether the land would be tilled, even though its pos- _ g, rain noTI and night, IL " scow were ruined, so long as it would produce anything 21st : brilliant,rrnn j n,L now. nost ERY.—InIS trade is far less ~ 7 i - a a n The home demand is not so large, and the Alpe e o'eP(liT t orr seem to cause very little stir. Stocks are 0%1 fashioned hose, for which there is but Ye" for 1 " et Jo We fear, therefore, there is but a poor pros _ L ot outs" to obtain the advance they ask,—.Aratig -,ee, METEOROLOGICAL REGT O 4 BY MR. C. H. CHADBURN, 7), LORJ.!:---r Dimly ti, -- - n of Temper fl ty ature ' at 1'; 00 18 d 0040 , Pressure at shade l b n y self. ' um N i o d o i n. registering Nine Six thermometer D r y th Wet and D Difference of ..4ii,.115 ATMOSPHERIC I Iji l 1 ' I /I. P 9 .4 3 1 '' I In. ! In. De.' De e% Deo'. 2 i"s. o ' : 4 0, 15' 29'56 , 29'56 62 . 53 . ; 4 ' 0.0 I ,'". 2 "'i 16! 29*36 29'35 63 52 o' 2l I ° o f. t o; 171 29'31 , 29'25 65 55 I o'o l I ri• 18; 29'49 ; 60 50 ' 19 30'06 ' 30'00 63 51 __. 41 a.m. p.m. I Max. I Min 2 7 I „„ (the hiss that greeted the mention of Mr. Cobden's name continued). Gentlemen, I• will wait while you give three gruaus mr mm kappiause: -- He stated that, the population were never better employed than at present. I wish that Mr. Cobden would go to my rates every morning ; and see the number of artizans groans were given ing for einployment ; and made to me day by day from all parts oftiiecoaitry, asking me either to employ, or get employment for, dif-- fe:ent members of the working classes. Yesterday I re ceived a letter from a professional gentleman of consider ; and able respectability. I shall take the liberty of readinz it. ising, at the same time, that I receiv - A• one of 'like t the_same time, and receive twenty such eldest son, brought up a every week employment, and, in common with thousands of the same class, finds it utterly impossible to get work,though he has travelled over the United Kingdom in search of it. Under these circumstances, he is desirous of emigrating 'o the United States,. where he understands employment ' i!ad, but unfortunately neither of us can bear the ,ense." And the letter concludes by asking for my subscription to enable him to emigrate. Yet, sir,. in- the face of all this, and in the face of this increasing popula- guvernors are :loom to ering the vast shipping interests of this country into unprotected competition with cheap labour, cheap timber, and cheap outfits of the Baltic, and other places. (Hear.) The Duke of Wel lington once asked how was the Queen's government to be carried on. Here I ask, how are the taxes of En gland to be paid ?—(hear, and applause.) How is• the national credit to be maintained ? We must, like honest men, pay our debts, or that glorious standard (pointing to the flag that hung above the platform), would be dis graced in the eyes of the world. How are we to do it, if ministers persist in this bill ? The merchant muse go where he can get his ships built cheapest, because he has to compete with those who have cheap-built ships.:: and it is the fashion in this day to hold, that we ought to buy in the cheapest marzict. That doctrine has been reiterated in this place again and again ; if the principle have aught in it, the Liverpool shipowner cannot employ bands to ps on the bithks of the Mersey bUt he must go to the places where they can be built S and rigged the cheapest. ( - rear.) And as the shipwrights of Sunder land, Hull, Whitehaven, and Liverpool, must prepare to meet in open competition the shipwrights of Sweden, Denmark, Isir Salt' 't .orway, ti.ussia, and other L .tic ports, 11 follows,.. a natural consequence, that they must cat as they eat, be clad as they are clad, and receive such wages as they receive, or it will be impossible to compote with them ; and the merchant of Liverpool will not be able to pay you. (Hear, and applause.) Then, sir, again, we are to maintain our colonies—we are to raise taxes to preserve and protect our colonial possessiOns, but we are to give to the foreigner the power of importing from those colonies and dependencies all that we now require.— (hear.)—And now let me ask how he is to be reimbursed From tabular statements, as well as daily exp o we know that the exports from. this --- lerience not been increasing ;-(hear, hear)—and it would be well for governm en t consider, if the imports of this country are not materially increasing,. whether they are acting wisely in destroying our home trade.. (Hear.) our Roydens,Wilsons, and Other ship r. buikkrs going to a Liverpool bank, and taking every week end bags of gold to the west side of Brunswick Dock to pay the wages of their workmen—those wages which pass through a thou sand fingers, irrigating and doing good to the whole the same operation - again—those sovereigns must go to pay wages in the Baltic, to benefit shopkeepers and manu- not reciprocate with us. (Applause.) A me here say, and boldly, and I wish Sir R hereto hear it, that free trade is perfec with Sir Robert's currency bill .abert Pcel were tly incompatible of `' hear hear.") Tho parliament of England, if they pass this measure, stave it off as they please, in a short time will be obliged to do away with the currency bill of Sir Itobt. Peel, or I and other tradesmen will be in the same posi tion as we were two years ago, when gold was sent out of England, the Bank of England restricted its issue notes, and, in consequence of the scarcity of the precious metal, we were within a few days of stopping our establishments, and dismissing our workmen. k Hear.) Let it be recol lected that foreigners spend little in town ; they merely pay their port charges, whereas British ships are not only bunt, but refitted here ; the money circulated here indi rectly flows to the neighbouring manufacturing towns ; and I think that Manchester will find to her cost that the fable of the belly, as opposed to the other members of the body, is correct. Manchester insisted upon the abroga tion of all duties on cotton. She was right if she could they Mr. Bolling told us that with the dut are the exponents of the gs of Li- No,.n o.") I wish Sir James Graham was here to hear-you. (Laughter.) But the fact is, he has turned his coat so , very often, and has said one thing one day and another the next, so that little itnnor - - ud cries of " . - ched to his words. I believe Mr. Card he said to Be. a pair, for our hon. member s one way and rows another.—(Loud laughter.) But, sir, I more than ever regret that the vote of that venerable and aged warrior who planted the British standard in Spain, and carried it over many a well-fought field, till he won the battle of Waterloo,—} regret to find that, in his latter days, the Duke of Wellington, for the purpose of preventing the Queen being. left without a government. should have given his consent to the bill.—k Applause.) We must take care that when• au opportunity is given us, that we send to parliament men who will not be found in opposition to their constituents on a great and important question, vitally affecting the interests of the community they represent.—(Applausc.)t Let us not be split into parties, but become united and throw aside some of those feelings which prevailed at the-last election, and then we shall become irresistible, w ith one mind, heart and soul, then there will be no mistake about the way in which our members will vote.—(Applause.) I believe that if both our members had been good conservatives, if they had stood up in their places and said "You must not pass this bill," and supplied good arguments for it—the bill, if it passed the Commons,would never have got into the House of Lords.—( Hear.) Where would the Duke and the gal lant men who fought with him in the peninsula have been, if it had not been for our navy ? And why should the navy be neglected, the right arm of our service, when to it we are indebted for the preservation of our colonial em pire ? Sir, Europe is on the eve, I verily believe, of that war of opinions to which Canning alluded ; and yet - nessi. rig the lowering tempest we see around us on all sides J • ,l .f.r•G UCUII 1 'A...et, by acts of parliament;" yet, in the face of this, we are going to destroy our navy. And Ireland too,—an integ ral part of the kingdom, accessible by sea on all sides, pos. sessing within her a number of traitors who are ready to sever her connection with England,—she cannot be de pended upon like our own population. She can only be defended by sea, yet we are going to destroy the navy of England. Then there are, Its Mr. Horsfall showed, 80,000 men employed in shipbuilding in this country. We are going to transfer their employment to a foreign land ; and, overburdened as our shopkeepers are, we are going, by in creasing pauperism, to add to their distress._ Now, let the peers pause ere it be-too late. Far say we are not to pr?gress. )e it from me to I indignantly repel the idea J unn waustone, that we are the real reformers. But we must reform in the right direction. 'We may "progress " in evil as well as in good. Let the vital principle of the navigation laws be maintained, and if there are defects (and in what human institution is there not ?) let them be remedied by an alteration in the customs' laws, or by an order in council. But preserve intact the principle of these laws, identified as they are with the welfare of the community at large. Why, if a splendid castle needed repair, I would repair it, to bring it to the ground but not sap the foundation so as ;—if a tree need pruning, prune o not tear it up by the roots. If the light at the entrance of our harbour became dim, would we destroy the'lighthouse ?—( Hear, and applause.) No, but we would repair the light. And in like manner I say, let the alter- be made in he navi,tration, laws, but never let our senators destroy their vital princi ple, because if they di), they destroy the vitality of England: Sir, I have only two or three more remarks to make. was twitted the other day in council by a gentleman who calls himself a Conservative, that whenever Mr. Holnae brought a subject of this sort forward, he always lugged in the distress of the working classes of England. Sir. are we cc . . behalf of the operative classes is a crime? Have we arrived at such a state of things, that when we petition ;uch a pass t one's voice on • . i parliament, a minister of the crown can s t a t e that it s a petition of paupers ?'-(Applause.) I for one will never consent to leave out of the category in advocating this •.. tes . upon al us who.possess the power to protect those givut, the pyramid of society, because if you injure the base, you destroy the whole pyramid (a voice—" give us uni versal suffrage"). Yes. I tell you the next thing Mr. Cobden will do ; finding that free trade won't go down, will be to try to throw dust in your eyes, by going for universal suffrago.—(Hear.) Give me that form of con stitution which gives the greatest amount of happiness and freedom to a country.—(Applause.) You ask Mr. Cobden for bread, and lie will give you a stone; you ask him for a fish, and he gives you a serpent. Sir, I say, and it is not inconsistent in me to say it in this place, it is our interest to protect all classes, for we have the words of sacred writ, " he that provideth not for his own house hold bath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel." I trust that the spirit of England will be awakened, and rise like a giant in favour of protection ; and I trust that any ministry invading the sacred ark of the navigation laws will be hurled from their posts by the lightning in dignation and awakened anger of the English people.— (Applause.) Now, I have just got a nut to crack before I sit down. I hold in my hand a report of the hole-and corner meeting to which Mr. Horsfall has alluded, and I find that the resolutions have been moved and seconded by ten gentlemen. They are men in their private capacity I honour, but I think them bad guides to take in public proceedings.—(Laughter and applause.) Now, what do I find ? It is a very easy thing for gentlemen to make ducks and drakes of other people's property, which costs them nothing. I find that out of the ten persons, seven do not possess a single vessel; one has one ship, and the member of a firm, with which another is connected, has declared that if the bill pass.he will buy a Prussian vessel and naturalise her.—(Hear, hear, and applause.) These are the gentlemen who have not the manliness to come here and meet us in free discussion ; these are the gentle men who wish to legislate on other people's property. — (Laughter.) I sincerely trust that He, the Great Author of us all, in whose hand is the heart of kings and the destinies of nations, will so guide our senators in this matter, that, instead of being a visitation upon the country, it will prove a blessing ; and that we may not be visited for our non-improvement of our national privileges, as well as national mercies. (Loud applause.) Mr. Holme concluded by moving the second resolution. Mr. JOHN ABRAHAM TINNE (councillor) seconded the motion. 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