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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF PEERS. WEDNESDAY, JUNE 25. In the Appeal, Martin v. Macnabb, Mr. Adath was heard for the Appellant, and the Attorney-Ge neral for the Respondent.—Further hearing to morrow. The Earl of Rosswrx moved, That a Message Would be sent to the House of Commons, to request pieent conference in the Painted Chamber, on the subje& matter (the Slave Trade) of the last cop ference..—Ordered. Managers of the Conference were appointed, and the Messengers sent to the House of-Commons hav ing returned with an answer that the Commons were waiting the conference, the Managers, con sisting of the Earl of Dartmouth, Earl Stanhope, the Earl of Hardwicke, Earl Spencer, the Bishops of St. Asaph and Ossory ; Lords Grenville, Arden, and Lauderdale, went forth to \the Painted Chamber. On their _return the Earl of Dartmouth stated, that they had communicated the Resolution of that Houie to the Commons. The Temple-bar and Snow-hill Lottery Bill was ordered to be read a third time to-morrow, and the Lords to be summoned. The Duke of Grafton's Agreement Bill, the Irish Mine Bill, the Gibraltar and Malta Postage Bill, the 'Prussian Yarn Bill, and the Additional Assessed Taxes Bill, were-read a-third time and passed. The Committee of Privileges on the Much Peer. age was ordered to sit to-morrow. INSOLVENT DEBTORS. . Lord HOLLAND moved the Order of the Day for receiving the Report of the Insolvent Debtors' Bill. , His Lordship stated, that upon consideration' Ile had thought it advisable to abandon two clauses which he had proposed in the Committee, and which had been added to The Bill. The object of these was togrant relief, in certain cases, to uncertificated bank rupts, by empowering the Chancellor to grant relief, notwithstanding the refusal of a sufficient number of the creditors of a bankrupt to sign his certificate.— Understanding, however, that a Measure was about to be bra - tight before Parliament for the purpose of amending the Bankrupt Laws, which might probably include this object, and wishing, at this advanced pe riod of the Session, to avoid introducing arty novelty into a Bill of this.nature, which might create difficulty and delay in its progress, he should, therefore, mare to leave cut these Clauses. If, however, the mea sure to which he had alluded did not contain the object sought to be attained by .these Clauses, it was his intention, if not this Session, the next, to bring forward a separate Bii upon the subject. He'also took this opportunity of giving notice, that it was his intention' to bring in a Bill to revive an A& which expired two or three years ago, and the object of which was, to enable a creditor who had taken his debtor execution, to release such debtor out of prison, and still have the same hold upon his pro perty. Lord WA CSI/OHAS reported .the Bill, and the two Clauses alluded to by Lord \Holland, on the question being put to agree with the Committee, were ne gatived. The Bill las ordered to be read Uhial tine qn Vonday, IRISH ROADS. Some conversation took plaCe on the Irish Post 'Roads SpEscE4 moved - its second read, ing, and stated that Ile did .not see any reason for in cluding in the Bill a provision for making a new Road from Limerick to 'Galway. The Earl of klAttnwtcKz: approved of the Bill, inasmuch as it went to do away the provisions of a most obnoxious AA upon this subje6t, passed last 6ession, hut suggested several Amendments' which he intended - to propose in the Committee., with the view that all parties who .might be affeded' by the pperation of the Bill might previously have dup notice. 'The Earl iof I.43,fmtrcl; contended, that a new road frotn Litittrick to Galway would be of essential benefit to that part of the country. - Earl SPENCER only wished for information upon the spbjea, 'and reserved, any further observations for the Committee.. The Bill was read a second time, and committed for to-morrow, Stran4ers . were excluded for some time whilst the. 1 - louse discgssed some matter o privileg. No. public busines was &pile utter our re7a4rpis 7 ion ; apo tli tiou;:e adipurned till to-morrow. fIOU,S 3 .E OF COATIVONS. V:EDNESDAY, JUNE 25. tq bcing in a Bill ace JloSts, so far, as related to :cie Duty on sending letters by any . cc than the post Off - tce, by Way of The Iri.ll SOools' Bill, the Irish Spirit Licence Bill, and the:Stamp Office Regulation Bill were read 3 third t , i - me and passed. CALCRAFT gav i e notice that to-morrow he would move for leave to bring in a Bill to give com pensation to certain Proprietors of Land in the neigh bouri.oo4 of Chatham, and other places, for the Laud occupied for the use of his Majesty's Ordnance. A Person from the Exchequer presented an Ac count of the nett produce of the Permanent and War Taxes for the years 1805-6.—Ordered to lie on the Table. air .Tonti ANDERSON presented Petitions from the Roy'4 Exchange and London Insurancc,Offices, and Ltiotilei, against the Globe InsUrance Companylncor poration Bill.-- 7 0rdered to lie on the Table. The Report of the Committee on the Scotch. Di stillery Aas was received, and instruEtions ordered o be given to the Committee on the Scotch Distil lery Bill to make provision pursuant to the Resolu tions in the Report. The 4eport of the Sl4ve Ship 411 was received, and ordered to Ile further considered on Friday. POOR OF IRELAND. Sir JOHN igirfiwiT mond, that" several Aas which related tp the Poor ckf Irelandliliourld be entered as read. He then p,roceeded to OlServe, that the Grend Juries were empowered under these A.Lis to preser.t certain stuns for the support of cha ritable Instituttoki, such as Hospitals and Infirrria- Ties ; but the surnr,; 5u , granted were fou n d t o t a ll y jnskifficient ;..and :it it. -,7ere not tbr the liberal con 'lribution, of they must fa tO the ground. He should therefore now propose to increase, in a moderate degree, the allowance to these Institutions. The increase would_ not be greater than was abso lutely necessary' on :account of the increase on the price of. provisions and of every necessary of life. There were other Clauses; in the Bill, which, with the permission of the House, he meant to bring in, for increasing the allowance to the Surgeons of country Infirmaries, and.for pro viding that annual , returns should be made for all Hospitals and Infirmaries in Ireland, of their receipts and expences, of the number of their patients, arc. He concluded with moving for leave to bring in a Bill to provide for the Reliefof the Poor, and for the, better Management of Hospitals and Infirmaries in Ireland, Mr. FOSTER said, he submitted it to the Right Hon. Bart. whether it was wise or prudent to bring forward this measure at such a late period of the Session, when so many of the Irish Members were absent. This Bill was not called for by any press ing necessity, and might be produEtive of great in conyeniente. It was certainly of importance that the accounts of the Hospitals and Infirmaries should be properly audited ; but he contended that they were audited .now by the Grand Juries and by the Judges at the Assizes. He obje&ed very much to this mode of putting off Irish business until almost the end of the Session. No notice' whatever had been given to apprize the Gentlemen of Ireland that this measure was to be brought in. Indeed this very subje& had been before the House last year, and some regulations made; the Irish Members, there fore, had no reason to expea that it would be brought forward almost at the close of the Session. • Sir JOHN ..VE/PPORT said, there were yester day no less than forty Representatives of Ireland pre sent in the House, and he did not think it likely that there would be a greater number present at any time; certainly there had not been a greater number during the present Session. The allowances to these Charities which he proposed to increase were fixed 24 years, ago, since which the increase in the price of every article of provisions had been enor mous ; it was therefore obviously necessary to in crease those allowances. The Right Hon. Gentle 7 man had said, that the Accounts of the Infirmaries and Hospitals were examined and audited by the Grand Juries at the Assizes, but he begged leave to state, that in' the South of Ireland they were never submitted to the Grand Juries. There were many Hospitals which had considerable landed estates, and the Grand. Juries could have no controul over the expenditure of that part •of their in come ; and yet it -could not be denied _but that there ought ,to be a check over the Treasurer or other person who managed these Revenues. He should, therefore, persist in his. Motion fOr leave to bring in the Bill. _ _ Mr. iItEXAIVDER hoped that his Right Hon. Friond(Mr. FOSTER) would not oppose the bring ing in the'Bill, - or the printing 'it, even though he might afterwards feel himself upder the necessity of opposing Mr. POOLE said, he did not think the flight Hon, Bart. could carry the Bill through this Session, but he was glad that the subje& ilact been brought fro.varcl, in order that the Gentlemen of Ireland might turn their attention to it. In the County that he-belonged to, the Treasurers of the flospitals or Infirmaries always subinitted, their Accounts to the Grand Juries4y whom they were - minutely ex amined. Colonel BA GIVELL was surprised that any op position should be madeto a measure that was so much .wanting in Ireland ; and he trusted that the' Right Kon. Baronet would persist in hiS Motion. The Poor of Ireland were in such a situation as to call fix the utmost attention ofParliament, and this Bill was in his opinion calculated to affoid them ma terial relief. _ Leave was then given to bring in the Bill. S)..AVE TRADE. A Message from` the Lords requested an immep dials conference with the Commons on the subject of the late conference. 'On the Motion of Lord Howicic, the request was complied with. Several Members went out to the eottfetence. On their return Lord FIENRY'Pwr- TY tated that the Lords had taken the Resolution of the COrranons relative to the Slave Trade into consideration,-and concurred With then; in the said Resolution. VOLUNTEERS. r; Mr. B.4,STARp observed, that the Return to the Order which he had - obtained respeaing Allow ances to the Volunteers' had upt been ..i3tirialy made. He therefore Moved, that what \vas defec t tiye should be supplied forthwith. Mr. U'iNi.)HAM said, that though the June Al-, lowabces bad been issued to' certain Collis, it w,ls because. they- were due' before the presents measure came in force ; and it did not, therefore, follow that the same Allowances were to be made to At the same time the Volunteers would after this be certainly put on an equal footing. After a few wprds from the SEeit,E.TARY at WAR, the Motion was agreed to. ()UDE CHARGE. Sir WILIA4m Youic gave notice, that his Noble Friend (Temple) would move that the Oude Charge be taken into consideration on Wednesday next, in case no motion to that effe& was made by the Hon. Gentleman who had brought forward the Charge. Mr. PAULL said, that in justice to the cause in which be was engaged, it would be impossible for him to proceed to the consideration of it on that day, and therefore he begged to be understood as npt in the smallest degree countenancing the propo sition now made. The Lon ADVOCATE of SCOTLAND moved for arl Account of the Vessels and their Tonnage cleared out from arid entered into the Ports on the Eastern Coast of Scotland, exclusive of those in the Friths. of Forth and Tay, and also an Acoount of. the Vessels cleared out from and entered into the Port of Berwick for three years, ending the sth of January,. 1805.!- 01-dered. A Message frcai the Lords, announced their assent to the Assessed Taxes' Bill, the Gibraltar -Postage Bill, the Puke of Grafton's Agre6ment. Bill, acd others. DISABI,ED SEAMEN. The Report of the Committee on the Greenwich Hospital Acts was received, the Resolutions agreed to, and Bills ordered accordingly. On thy; Motion of Lord HowtaK, the House then resolved itself into a Coinmittee on.,the Prize Act. is the Committee, is Lordship moved, that 11. 13s. 4d. per cent. out of the Proceeds of the ' Bounty allowed the Men for Enemies' Ships taken or destroyed, should be granted for Greenwich Hospi tal, and that 31. 6s. sd. per cent. should be granted out of the same for the Chest at Greenwich.—Agreed to.—Report to-morrow. MARQUIS WI LI.ESLEY. . Mr. PAULL, pursuant to notice, moved, that the First Charge against Marquis Wellesley should be printed. Sir ARTHUR WELLESLEY opposed this, on the ground that the circumstances were the same as :when the House had before rsfused to print it, the whole evidence not being as yet produced. If the' Charge could be taken into consideration this Session,, he would have 'had no obje&ion to come to a deci= sion even on the Papers which the Hon. Gentleman himself had moved for ; but as that was impossible, he thought it improper that the Charge 4hould go into the hands of the: Public in the present state of the business. Lord ARCHIBALD HAMILTON observed, that the grounds on' which the House had before re fused to print this Charge were, that the evidence was not before them. But- mit , the evidence was, in part at least, before the House, and the rest would very soon be produced. The circumstances were • altered, and the Charge ought therefore to be.prints ed, that the House might, as soon as possible, com pare it with the evidence. Mr. Rosa could not conceive why the Charge should be printed, when it could not be taken into consideration this Session. Lord DOUGLAS supported the Motion for printing the Charge. Mr. 'Secretary TINDHAIII said, that the reason for printing at all was for the use of the Members of the House; and as to the Papers finding their way to the Public, that -was an incidental occurrence.— The more business there was, the: greater necessity there was for printing, and the natural conclusion was, that Papers ought to be printed in the first stallce, unless some reason was shown to the con trary. NoW the 'reason here was; that a false and improper impression - would be made by an e.r parte statement. But it might he a question, -whether • the injnry would be so material as to induce the House to sacrifice its ,convenience in any case of this sort. And, at any rate, in the present instance, the evidence was on the Table, or would soon be why should, that be printed, unless the Charge was printed to be compared with it ?-4t was no reason for not printing tlse Charge, that it could not be considered till next Session—for the longer the time the Members had to examine it the better. He could not therefore see why the printing should be deferred, Lord CASTLEREAGH was not satisfied with these reasons, He thought that the Charge ought not to be printed till next Session; but at all events, it ought not to be printed now, betbro the evidence for the Defendant was prodeeed. Lord H. PETTY thong ' ::' that the Charge and the Evidence should 'go togstiser, The Evidence for the Defence would soon be - produced, and the Mem-s I bers ought to have the Charge along with the Evi dence on both sides, in order to consider them during the summer. Mr: BANKES saw no rea s on why the Charge should be printed, as it could not-be considered durin g the present Session, and - therefore opposed the Motion. Mr. GRANT observed, that the s es-es of India and -of the EmPire in general were fixed upon the condai of the House in this business. With re gard to the objeaions urged' against the publication • to exparte statements, he was surprised at the quar ter from whence they proceeded; For he would ask, whether variOus.Pspers and - ex parte statements were not circulated by the friends of the .Noble .Marquis, though not• among the Public. yet among those who were ; to decide upon the great' question to which 61'4 2 Motion- before the House referred ? Mr. MARTIN (of Galway). conceiving the ob je6t.of the Motion to ,be merely to put the Mem beri of that House in pbssession of this Charge, was astonished at the „opposition in-ide to it. Every Membet' was entitled to order a Copy of the Charge from the proper of fi ce, ; doslif it were written legi bly and delivered to the Members„, he would not de sire that it should be printed. , Mr. ALEXANDER was against the Motion. Dr. LAWRENCE considered the grounds of op position to this Motion as of a most extraordinary nature. The Charges against Warren Hastings bad, it was well Istiown, remained on the Table and were printed above 18 months before they were taken, into consideration ; and yet it was now argued that the Charge befere the House should not be printed until the shortest possible time before the House should be called on to decide upon it. But no one attempt ed to argue in this way excepting those who, he had no hesitation in saying, were the avowed friends, supporters, and advocates of the Noble Marquis—= and would the House allow itself to be di&ated to by them ?--If so, there must, of course, be an end to all hopes of justice in the, case. • He recolledted the story of Sir John Hensey, who was found guilty of high treason—but there was a polit6 Attorney- General in that time, who declined to bring hith to judgment until the traitor should himself think pro per—and that time never coining, the traitor, of course, was never brought to judgment. Now, in this case, be apprehended that if . the advice of the Noble Marquis's connexions were attended to the day of judgment would never come—sit' sough, strange to tell, those connexions were sometimes heard calling out for a speedy trial.. To-night, how ever, their language was, that it would be absurd to think of going into any of the Charges until the next Session. The Learned Gentleman concluded with observing, that no answer was given to the question of the Hon. Dire&or (Mr. Grant), relative to the exparte publications from the friends of the Noble Marquis. Mr. W POLE declared, and pledged himself to the faa, that his Noble Relative had never written Or published, or authorised to be published, a, sin gle line4n answer to the Charge to which the Motion before the House referred, nor had any of the . Noble Lord's friends either, to his (Mr. Pole's) knOwledge.' M?: SHERIDAN thought the. understanding was,- at the time he bad the honour to make a Motion'nPon this subjea, that the Charge alluded to should`liot be printed until all the Evidence con neCted.witlt should be printed also. Now, as a great (164 of that Evidence was not before the _House, he did not think that this Motion could be consistently acceded to at present ; at the same - time . he could see no obje&ion to print the Charge with the Evidence. Mr.ARCHDALE concurred in the opinion of the last speaker. Mr. PAULL was astonished at the opposition made to. this motion. When it was asserted that - this Charge contained strong allegations against the Noble Marquis, Gentlemen should bear in mind, that much stronger allegations were to be found in the dispatch of the India Dire&ors, of which so many thousand Copies had been published, and also in a letter addressed by the Secretary of the India Dire&ors to Lord. Castlereagh when at the head of the Board of Controul. Gentlemen might deter mine to prote& Lord Wellesley; but his condu& had been decided upon elsewhere, and that by the persons most interested and best acquainted with the subje& ; and a majority of 980 India Proprietors had, against a_ minority of 175, pronounced, by, a solemn vote, that the Noble Lord's condu& was highly culpable. The lion. Gentleman proposed to the Gentlemen on the other side, if they would not agree to the present motion, to fix upon some day not later than the 1 oth of July for the printing of this Charge. Mr. J6HNSTONE lamented that a question of such trifling, or rather of no importance, should be so 'often pressed upon the attention of the House. The Hon. Member, in opposition to the remarks of his Le,arned Friend (Dr. Lawrence), asserted, that the demeanour of the Hon. Gentlemen behind him - (Sir A. Wellesley, and the. Hon. W. Pole) was marked by good temper and propriety,, although he was ready to own that his Learned Friend's re marks would be somewhat applicable to the Noble Lord who generally sat on the same bench with him, (Temple) who seemed resolved' to diaate what course the House should pursue in this investiga tion. The Hon. Member denied that the Court of India Proprietors meant to - ileclare any opinion as to the Charges against Loixt Wellesley in the vote of approbation which they had thought it their duty to pronounce upon the conduet of their own Di• rectors. After a few words from Mr. 1.101.1. toog, Lord FOLKSTONE, and others, Lord HENRY PETTY conceiving it not necessary at present to press any division upon this subjeEt, moved the previous question ; which was agreed to, AUDITOk's COMMISSION. The House having resolved into a Committee of Supply, Lord HENRY PETTY moved that a salary not ex ceeding tbool. a year should be granted to each of the Commissioners first named in the new Commis• sion for, Auditing Public Accounts, and a salary of 12001. to the lather Commissioners ; and also an ad ditional sum for incidental expences attending the said Commission. - Mr. BANKES considered the salaries rather too high, and the Commissioners too numerous. At the same.time the, Hon. Member took occasion to re commend the adoptiOn of a principle in this arrange. meat which ought, in his judgme4t, to prevail in all Ptiblic Offices—namely, an increase of salary to the subordinate Officers, who, it wag ktiown, were the only efficient ,persons and a proportionate decrease of the salaries of the Principals. Those upon whom4he onus of the Public Business dev o lv. ed ought, iti'comrnon justice and policy, to be ade. qtrately re,.varded.. Lord Hay PETTY said, that, from the import tmce of the institution to which this Motion re. ferred, it was thought right to plate the Gentlemen who were to condudt it, upon the same footing as the Principals of other Public BoardS, namely, those of Customs and Excise ; and upon that footing the amount of the salaries was adjusted, As to the number of the Commissioners, he hoped he h a d already stated enough respecting the quantum of the business they had to go through, to satisfy, the House t liud the Country upon that point; and with regard ' m the other point alluded to by his Hon. Friend, he could assure him that care would be taken in this arrangement, that the business should not be left to the lower Officers, but that the Gam missioners should be obliged to do it thequelves. After a few words across the table between Lord HENRY PETTY and Mr. Husxtssow, the motion was agreed to, the House resumed, and the Report was ordered to be brought up to-morrow. WEST INDIA TRADE BILL. Lord HENRY PETTY moved the further consi deration of the Report upon this Bill. Lord CASTLERRAGH expressed a wish that this Motion should be postponed, as many Gentlemen had left the House under the impression that it would not be brought on to-day. Lord HENRY PETTY was at a loss to know the cause of this impression, as some Gentlemen who had enquired of him whether it would be brought forward, had been distinctly answered in the affirmative. Upon this a long and desultory conversation arose, in which Mr. WIIsIDHAM, Mr. .1 OR= ' the ATTORNEY-GENERAL, Lord HEN R Y P ETTY , Lord CASTLEREAGH, Sir , CHARLES PRICE, Mr. ALEX ANDER, Mr. CALVERT, and Mr. G ILES, took a part. The Report was at length agreed to, and the Bill was ordered to be read a third time to morrow se'nnight. The East India Shipping Bill was read a second time, and committed for to-morrow. MILITIA BILL. The Order of the Day for the second reading of the Militia Tests Bill being read, Mr. YORKE ell ,aired o f the Right Honourable Secretary, whether it was intended to extend the principle of this Bill, or of the Training Bill, to Scotland ? Mr. WINDHAM answered, that certainly there was no such intention as to the Training Bill ; nor did he think there was any upon this - Bill either : but as to the latter he was not prepared to answer so decisively.- Sir WILLIAM ELFORD requested to have some explanation from the Right Honourable Gen tleman as to'a point which he did not fully, under stand in his speech upon the opening of his Mili tary Plan, . namely, wheth e r he proposed to abolish the Ballot.for the Militia altogether, and recruit that Force by Bounty, or merely to suspend the: Ballot by way of experiment, until the Militia should be reduced to the number at which they were in future to remain ? Lord CASTLEREAGH was surprised at the