The Sun. — London, England, 1847-02-27 00:00:00

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Destit ute Royal Assent was given by Commi-eien to the Per soes (Ireland) Bill, when the Lord Chae caller, the 11 ° Earl of Mi nto, and Lord Campbell sat as Ylil Commissioners. PRO GRESS OF PUBLIC BUSINESS. httitied STANLEY rose in accordance with the notice he given last night to ask a question as to the progress public business. He then adverted to the state of es bu siness bef ore t h e i r Lordships, or rather the state t O t, no business, and re mar k e d t h at t h ey were now i n t 4 si xt week of the session, on,and with the exception f ,t was on the paper for that evening, there was not `slngle Bill or notice of motion on the books to submit to their Lsrdahtp . s' consideration, !aid from what he "WEI learn as to the state of business in the other i t where the estimates were under consideration; e 'he not likely that they would have any for some ee Irish measures were postponed, he understood, till * ill' Bth of March, in all probability would not be ',: a dY to be submitted I to their Lordships before the 15th se March. oflle Must say, consideling this state of '°B l , that they should have the origination ee tithrespectsreZ discipline measures in that House; for to e. Witting to the improvement of th il e tsta l n a s w . , and other matters which he co si e e could be discussed in the first place by their Lonrd siiP° with more advantage than by the other House. questions, therefo re , he wished to ask were—sst, ter: ether the Government intended to originate any h_asures in that House before Easter, and if so, what . br?ss measures were, and at what period they would he eotiseentiefour:arfdp? And, 2,1, whether it was likely that he would be sent up before that period from the a , 0 arliamn had :„ alarquis of LANSDOWNE replied that there wsee7e • more business transacted during the first six of this session than during the same period last d e r 3 4' and by a statement which he had i At all last, when t appeared that there was natio klll ue ° l(7r n e h i usit lees transacted than in the session there e n the Noble Lord was in . office,. Y found tine a t r ,e o , s t e , great obstacles to the introduc gen of first into their Lordships' House, as it into the the rer course to introduce them int and bring an nn up in due course to re• With regard to the amount of business oue BillPiha might remark, . that instead of only th ere k y ing passed, as alledged, through all its stages, Passed had at least been six important measures aar say Parliament commenced—measures necee tneYd t° , l neet the condition of the people of Ireland. He . b us , g eold to say that this was a greater amount of Wo Zis than had ever been done during any first s l i e x sp ftt • " a session for a long period of time. I - b e _ I N the State of business generally, he g t dtt mot e to observe that the reason why M ouse d 11 " t mule greater progress in the other_ been taken/''lt't the fact, that a great part of the time had t'etnPorise 4 1 3 with the consideration in measures of . a and the uature to meet the distress of Ireland. This, wzt 3 discussion of a plan for the extension of rail other in Ireland, had done much to retard the be4_ business before Parliament. It had usual to di_teund necessary at an earlier period than . i tt , e 'Oss the financial affairs of the country, as it woul d nar,.eeri impossible to decide on the measures neces- f fie:. or Ireland without dealing with the question o f or n.Q• which was preliminary to them. The measures 0r 4 4 ,e further relief of Ireland. to which the Noble the g th "d alluded, would most certainly go forward on to make March, March, as the postponement had takenpi n ac a e . e s , o _ certain amendments which were deemed _ els e I ,Y for their more efficient working. He begged th e ' l3 „ observe that no time would be lost by roe l ,„ 'l°l-en:intent in bringing forward other titen,:relt which they thought the circum teem—us of the country required, especially pe n „ i l'es for the amendment and improvement of the feen' t 4 % 1 , and the laws which related to the tree - Q O , of criminals. It was the intention of the th e "flaunt to take such steps as would lead to thi s refo rmation of criminals. (Hear,) He trusted had e Zplaneti on would show that the Government e i td lljglected n o o p portunity of forwarding the business, tea "t ll O blame was to be r, attributed to them if it was "°' esivanced as the Noble Lord desired.— (Hear.) Thi.I3 IIO UGHAM thought there was good reason tlife e ( te )ba P li tining of th e present state of the business in the;,, °lls e- They were constantly complaining, and he .. 0+,5.4. they ought to have some red ress . H e was of b4:Lon that sufficient use had not been made o f the e time far November and tbe time they were arrtved at, „that period might have been employed in the pre ite``°ll of Bills which were to come under the con. tOtation of Parliament. With great respect for Lordships' House, and for the other House of thtriiitteent, he must yet say that he always looked to h h e end of the session as the most important part of it; e r , e it seemed from the observation that had just fallen far the Noble Lord het.hey were at that moment very i n from the end of sssion. The Noble Lord had '`'t informed them that a Bill was to be introduced ; 4 '9, the other House on the Bth of March, and -°4 oily could tell when it might come up to their rrtlalaip.' House. But ther e was a di s p atc h i n b us i ness, d " t ectstei;, a p o wer of decisi o n, w i t h out d e l ay i ng f rom , ; " e Y, to day, for ten days together, and that might pus ; move the business forward with greater spee . Bu " e marv e ll e d that more Bills were not introduced into .t h ei r Lo r d ships ' House, which would very much expedite dun eourse of business. As for pen a lties, why, th e r e w as a other on e etween penalties and taxes, under which the Hous would not object to the Bill being intro- i ill Aced into thei r L or d sh i p ' s Rouse ; but so far as that j . :,, e , 114 the Bill might be proceeded with, an d th e pena l ty I T h en left blank, could be filled up i n th e other (lease. 1 , e re was en important subject, which might be i h i :sat under the consideration of ther Lord th ea--he meant the . Criminal Law; but he found I ). Utt Bill had be , en T e r( duced into the other House of subject. ) Yet he was sure that tti a g rlie snen e on s t r b o L ui s d a come under the consideration clp s. ^ :o n na al tn l.' i . t w o tee s . of their Lorahips. Persons who were lly connected with the law thought it l ' ?°l4 l l) (l Nfe'si n u a nder their attention and inquiry with mop e benefit. coale He had given notice of his intention to fur Committee of Inquiry on the subject b a f ) : 4 , hesitated much whether be ought now to move I. that Committee, especially after his Noble Friend r„ .inst intimated that the Government intended intro e'etng measures on the subject; he Mt great doubt, t"refre, whether net ught to press his motion on Slon• dame Tuesday or o , of WICKLOW said that complaints at that ro r ri° d of the sess i on were very unusua l. B u t, savin g 4,,, 114 t1e arrangement, some of the Bills in the other Tl e ,"„ se e W ould have been up to their Lordship's Huus.lle. f or '" were two Irish Bills. lie B I maant that c,f. grautin g a million-and-a-half for the purpose . It.telProving the lands in Ireland, and another for alter that ti l l°ll l jo the Poor-law. Now it had been determined the t these two Bills sho . uld proceed pari passu through the other House ; but for that arrangement d hip s , The Bill might have been before their The reason was evident- When the Noble th td introduced the Corn Bill last session, he . stated , 0 11 1 that but formed part of a great system of legislation A in would yet be brought under their Lordships notice. co tte ', 4l was brought forward to lend 2,000.0001. to this p ni ;"rY, and 1 ,000,0001. to Ireland. The Bill was e,4 1 , but it was found that, as regarded Ireland, it I S'eer be tt laPpropriate. But a pledge was given by the too le Marquis that as the Bill as amended would be brc " te for Parliament to pass that session, it should be 1 , 0 4,ght forward in this session. But this was tre n tu t i l o rit elent of the Government pledges that a Bill pa s _ g. 500,0004 should go through the House par/ e 0 +u with some other measures. He did not by this cerw e e Pean to oppose the other measures, but he would bra n Y oPpose the mode at present adopted in the akll,Fing forward of those measures. matted° Marquis of LANSDOWNE explained. He ~yl, that a pledge had been given, but it was deemed and the that these Bills, for the benefit of the landlords parsedtile employment of the general poor should be ma t at one an d t h e same moment ; aga i n, this Bill eesentially ditferent from the one which had been inder the consideration of the House in the last session, I, l l . t i !tlatich as it provided for the granting of a much braj eer sue, e se e money. It was not intended as a mere th e "age Act, but was proposed for the general good of e country after a few wordsfrom I3 f t Lord ASHURTON, Th e L ir LORD CHANCELLOR remarked that the Bill of the Charitable Tru s ts w o uld b e L t . s „ , ne regulation At t ight forward as soon as the other mea s ure was in a Ixtto to allow of its being taken into consideration. 4Vth regard to the Church Discipline Bill, there was i s te e difficulty in dealing with it, unless p'Y had the co-operation of the Right Rer. rela tes, and a conference with them with regard to it. g as still pending. With regard to the measure relating medbtor and creditor, he had it th en un d er considers „l?4, sant he hoped to be able to bring it forward very vtthord BROUGHAM expressed his dissatisfaction to the present accommodation of the House of Lords, ". said he would prefer to sit for an even huilding itny union workhouse, rather than in that e had that day the great gratification o f q c „ -- L ts, over the new h ouses ; an d averse as h e was to th' e 'ue archi tecture, he was bound to say that the taste, is tta ' n genuity, t h e skill, and the splendour of all he saw, erel,leaost suffi c i ent to reconc il e hi m to t h at sty l e o f " ite cture. It anything could mitigate his dislike egbie`' othie architecture, and to the inconvenience eras ! he f e l t in the present building, it h e 1. the exterior and interior beauty of all etas "ad seen that d ay . I t was the most splendid teti o °l buildings t o b e seen i n an y coun try, and sitne"d i d ' e the reateat credit on the architect who had de and g carried it into execution. ie u st e Marquie of LANSDOWNE had great pleasure 1114 atin g that h e h a d b een informed by the arc h itect to the Noble and Learned Lord had paid such a re se e nte cornplim t that re their Lordships desirous sstlour • the new te t Easter, it would be e eo , t lung to tint new ...ease before —aster, for their reception. Still he did not think it . ti t l' be their desire tadjourn before the usual • ion • 0 a J tem they did not, then would every thing be ZY their reception immediately on their re-assem trer the holidays.—(Cheers.) 4 r %few words front Lord LIROUGIIIIM, expresine eh! e that u n i ty of design and execution would be served in the frescoes. the subject dropped. Lo r a DUCHY OF LANCASTER. ttnotbe ST ANLEY hoped he would be allowed to put ((e ight rt question, which was ono to which the Ministry ti ght o ° give an answer. About a fortnight ago, a no. N uble`r a e re d in the London Gazette appointing three Laec, Lair to administer the affairs of the Duchy of had h ar d s !r. That was the only notice which Parliament th s , to ; of the transaction. Now, while he admitted expeoLrevenues of that Duchy, after paying all the to-1,71;1,1MM into the Privy purse ; still it was usual I°4l I l arliaraeat tin annual statement of the re. ceipts and expenditure. This was a recognition that proved the L , gislar.ure had not4iven up all controul in relation to this revenue. Further, a law efficer, who was sl,O a member of the Government, was appointed to fill a high legal office in this Duchy, and to administer its affairs. These circumstances showed the intimate eon ' nexion which existed between the Duchy of Lancaster and the Government, and would lead their Lordships to suppose that some explanation ought to be given when any such appointments as those he had referred to took place. Comparing the duties of the Duchy of Lancaster with other of the Crown properties, the principal officer connected with it was of a much higher grade than any of the other officers connected with the other Crown properties. The Noble Lord opposite was not a child —(Laughter) ; he was not a lunatic—(Laughter), and therefore the Noble Lord was fitted lor the office ; he required no assistance, and he would therefore be re quired to account for the duties of those officers ; what patronage they would wield ; and what oaths they would be required to take on accepting those duties. The public had a right, then, to know, what were the duties of these Ccminissioners, the, more especially as these gentlemen were not themselves aware of what those duties were to be ; what was the patrotage removed from the Chancellor of the Exchequer?—(Lord Brougham —None.) Then, perhaps, as his Noble and Learned Friend suggested, the Chancellor retained the patronage, and the Commission( rs performed the duties.—(Laugh ter.) He certainly thought that the Parliament of the country had a right to know the reasons which had prompted this appointment, and he looked to the Noble Lord for explanation. Lord C AMPBELL said that no apology was neces sary for the question. and he was rather obliged to the Noble Lord for putting it Some foolish mis-statements had gone abroad on the subject, and he thought that the Noble Lord might have spared his friend, (who was an eminent Protectionist), and who had, it appeared, told him in private conversation that he was una mire of what his duties should be. lie said his answer as to what was the meaning of this commission and of this innovation was, that there was no com mission, there was no innovation. The ancient condi tion of the Duchy of Lancaster remained in the state in which it had been in the time of John O'Gaunt.— (Laughter.) Ever since, there had been a County Pala tine of the Duchy of Lancaster, there had been a Chan cellor and a Council. The Chancellor upon certain occasions had been wont to call on the assistance of the council, and the Chancellor had to do certain judicial acts and make certain appointments—for example, the appointment of mavistrates in Lancaster; but on all these arts the Chancellor acted proprio mote— ' (Laughter). In certain acts he proceeded without the council, and in certain others he took the advice of his council. The council consisted of the Vice-Chancellor, the Recorder-General, the Auditor, and the Attorney- General ; these acted as the council of the Chancellor in the management of the property of the Duchy and the finances of the Duchy. It was found, however, more convenient that the Chancellor should have the assistance of those who were more co mpetentio give their advice in the letting of land and t he receiving of rents of property which, as the Noble Lord knew, was large, and lay scattered over all England. The Chancellorship was a political office, and a member of the Cabinet. The Council had nothing political in their character. The Councileonsisted of Mr. Horace Twiss, the Vice-Chancel lor, a learned Chancery barrister, who, he believed, was of the Tory party; of Mr. Lockhart, a gentleman eminent in literature, and a member of the bar; of Colonel Fox, the Receiver-General; and of Mr. Ellis, his learned friend on the Northern Circuit, who was Attorney- General. He (Lord Campbell) admitted that he was quite ignorant on some of the duties which came before the Council; perhaps it might be excusable. He remem bered hearing that the Noble Lord who sat next the Noble Lord who had just spoken (we understood it to be Lord Brougham), had taken his friend, Mr. Coke, of Norfolk, to see a fine field of green wheat; and when his Noble Friend, in company with Mr. Coke, came in sight of the field, he exclaimed, " Oh, what a fine piece of lavender!"—(Great laughter.) He (Lord Campbell) admitted that he had not paid great attention to these studies, and he felt that he laboured under great disability. His predecessor was more competent for the task he referred to, but still he felt the need of advice in the performance of it, and, under the late Government, the subject had been under consideration for giving the Chancellor assistance in the manage ment of the property and the finances of the Duchy. That had been recommended by himself, under his own hand, and had met with the approval of the Government ; and he had recommended the persons who had received the app roval and sanction of her Majesty. The persons accordingly had been sworn in under the usual and immemorial oaths. They had not succeeded the Chancellor in his office, nor would he be controlled by their opinion, for by the patent of his appointment, he was placed beyond their control. But if the Chancellor were a wise man, he would take the advice of those who w ere competent to give it. He (Lord Campbell) would bow implicitly to the opinion of such men a s Lord Hardwick and Lord Portman as to the letting of land and such like. The Noble Lord, who had furnished the Noble Lord who had just spoken with his information, had undertaken the examination of the Bedford level, and to give his advice upon some future arrangements of it. He (Lord Campbell) would be im plicitly guided by it. But in such Acts as the appoint ment of magistrates, he would not submit to guidance; on the other hand, as far as their advice was necessary, in referrenee to property and finances, the Chancellor would avail hire eft of it. Lord BROUGHAM said he felt he was in the position of the person in one of '!'erence's plays wbo went to consult the Roman Chancellor, and Alio, after hearing him, said— •' Incertior multef twin jarndudum. —(Laughter.) But a more groundless charge than had been made against the Noble Lord near him, that he had betrayed the confidence of the Noble Lord, his informant, was never heard. Why, the Noble Lord had no confidence to betray ; he had asked a ques tion of the person apoken of, and that Noble Lord had no confi dence to give him. " Why," said that Noble Lord, " I cannot tell, Ido not know wherefore I was appointed." So there was no confid.-nce either possessed or betrayed. The Noble Lord added, that if there was any wisdom in a multitude of counsel lors, there would be enough of it in the councillors of the Duchy of Lancaster ; but, for his part, he was as ignorant after the explanation of his Noble Friend as he had been before it. JOINT-STOCK BANKS (SCOTLAND). Lord EGLINTON, in moving that an humble address be presented to her Majesty for copies of the correspondence of the Scotch bankers with the late and present Governments, relative to the Bill for regulating joint-stock banks in Scotland and Ireland, which was passed last session ; and, in particular, the correspondence of any of the directors of the North British Bank ; also, for the terms or conditions of an agreement or arrangement said to have been entered into in favour of the bank, said that he thought the system of joint stock banking in Scotland would require no eulogy on his part. It was with the view of exciting their sympathies at some future period that he asked for these returns. Amid opposi tion of Scottish Members, and remonstrance of Scottish bankers, the measure of a former session on the subject of Scotch banking was carried through the other House. with that rapidity which so often takes place. He was induced to withdraw his opposition to that Bill, but on the reasons for the withdrawal of that opposition being known he received a letter stating that there was not the slightest truth in the report of the change in the opinion of those parties in Scotland, and by which he had been induced to withdraw his opposition. He would not enter into the general subject of the currency, but he would say that he believed that the greatest misery had been caused in'the country by the currency Bill. Lord CLARENDON said he could not agree to the motion of his Noble Friend, not because there was any objection to produce the documents in question, but because they did not exist. He had spoken to his Right Hon. Friend the Chancel lor of the Exchequer on this subject, and he could not find that there had been any written communication with Government on this subject, though there might have been some oral com munication. He could not agree with his Noble Friend oppo site in what he had said about the manner in which the mea sure to which he referred had been proposed. The Bill with respect to Scotch Banks, in common with other Bills had been postponed in consequence of her Majesty's visit to the Continent, but the late Chancellor of the Exchequer gave notice of his intention to introduce it the following session. His Right Hon. Friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer thought it would be right to extend the law that was found to work well in England, to Scotland, and Ireland. He had, how ever, fixed a day to receive a deputation from the parties inte rested in the question by whom it had been solicited'', but they had not thought fit to wait upon him. He thought, therefore, that his Right Hon. Friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer was justi fied in the course which he had pursued. He could not un derstand how it could have affected the evils which the Noble Lord had described, because i t n h y e ,.. mj y asu a r d e b w e a n s n p i r n os s t p i e t c u t t i e v d e : a n l d f i th n e a se inte e d vil . s it e h a t i h st e e m d : her for N a l n ajest there was no accou n t t o corroborate ul r t o h a l • e e r e n ta m te e m nt e n h t a n v f e t h b e e e N n a b c l e - Lo T rd h . e Earl of RADNOR expressed his satisfaction at the Noble Lord opposite having brought this matter who considered tiie before the est attention of the House. He was one of those the banking system in Scotland had been placed on basis possible, and it was known to have given satisfaction to all parties. It had been sacrificed merely to carry out a view of Sir Robert Peel's on the currency. He referred here to the measure of 1845. The measure of 1846, which grew out of that, was still worse, and if certain Peers had assisted him in his opposition to that measure it should never have passed. When all was carried on uoon principles of free trade he thought it was unjust to place banking on any other footing. MEDICAL CHARITIES IN IRELAND. The Earl of CLANCARTY, in drawing tke attention of the House to the motion which he had to bring before them, said that with reference to the Bill which had passed last session, entitled, " The Medical Relief (Ireland) Bill," he thought that it had not answered the expectations of its proposers. The law had two great elements of failure—the want of effi ciency and uniformity ; efficiency, because a central superin tendence was required, which the law did not give ; and uniformity, because the taxes for Its support were not propor tioned to the circumstances of the parties affected by them. The poor-law returns gave an affecting account of the number of industrious poor who crowded the workhouses, and the feeling in Ireland was, that no amelioration would take place within an early period, because, although an inquiry into the operation of the poor-law s) stem was otten promised, the term inquiry was only associated in their minds with procra-tinatioli. With these views he had called upon the Noble Marquis oppo site and upon the Right lion. the Secretary for Ireland, and he would only then read the terms of the motion he bad to submit to the House, which was to know whether it was the intention of her Majesty's Government to propose, in the pre. sent session, any measure with respect to the medical relief of the suffering poor in Ireland, founded on the recommendation of the report of the Select Committee appointed last session for inquiry into the subject ; if not, whether it was intended to propose any other measure for the improvement of medical charities ? The Marquis of LANSDOWNE admitted that the subject to which the Noble Lord had called the attention of the • Go vernment was one of the first importance, and although he could not promise that a Bill upon the subject would be brought in in the course of the present session, he had no hesitation in saying that it would receive their best attention. Their Lordships then adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS, Feb. 26. The SPEAKER NEW to , k the MEMBER. Mr. MONAHAN, Solicitor-General for Ireland, took the oaths and his seat for the town of Galway. SECOND READINGS. The following 13ills were read a second time, and ordered to be committed:— Bolton Improvement. Cheltenham Waterworks. liond‘ , ll ) Small Debts. N,-wbury Cemetery. Northampton and "Banbury Railway. Norwich - Small Tenements. Sheffield, Rotherham, and Doncaster Junction Railway (Masbrough to Doncaster). Sutton Harbour Improvement. Swansea Harbour. _ _ Westminster and Lambeth Bridge. York and North Midland Railway (East Riding Canals Purchase). York and North Midland Railway (Knottingley Branch). York and North Midland Railway (Harrogate Branch, Boroughbridge, and Knai esborough Extension). York and Newcastle Railway (Pelaw Tyne Dock, &c., Branches). York and Newcastle and Newcastle and Berwick Rail ways Amalgamation. DISTRESS IN IRELAND. Mr. D. BROW NE presented several petitions from places in the county of Mayo, praying for mr-re ex tended relief to the people of Ireland. One of these prayed for a grant of fiity millions to relieve the suffer. tags of the people. Another stated that many of the Petitioners were only receiving as wages from 3s. to ss. per week, while oatmeal was selling at 30s. per cwt. Mr. MACKINNON presented a petition from a place near Manchester against the Anatomy Bill. Mr. RICE presented a petition from a place in Kent against the Poor Removal Act of last session. Mr. GOULBURN presented a petition from Eaton, in Cambridgeshire, against the operation of the Anatomy Bill ; also a petition from West India proprietors, in favour of the reduction of the duties on colonial rum. The RIGHT HON. GENTLEMAN also presented a peti tion against the differential duty on rum, and praying that it be admitted at a similar duty to that imposed on British spirit& LAW OF SETTLEMENT. Mr. EVANS presented several petitions, praying fur an alteration in the present law of settlement. SCAItdITY OF SHIPPING. Mr. S. CRAWFORD presented a petition from 800 inhabitants of Birmingham, praying that in the present scarcity of shipping the Government would allow the ,hip, of the navy to be engagtd i❑ conveying food into the country. The Hun. Member also presented peti tions to the same effect froth several places in Scotland. THE SUN, LONDON, SATURDAY MOUNING, -PEBRITARY 27, 1W OATH OF SUPREMACY. Mr. MOFFAT f presented a petition from several inhabitants of Darlington against the proposed repeal of the law regarding the oath of supremacy. The peti. tioneri were of opinion that the abrogation of the oath would endanger the crown of her Majesty. Mr. CALLAGHAN presented a petition from Cork, complaining of the unequal pressure of the present sys tem of rating, and praying that a general system of taxation be substituted instead. EDUCATION. Mr. HINDLEY gave notice, that on Monday next he would ask the Noble L , ,rd the First Lord of the Treasury what he intended should be the amount of the grant for education this year? and, secondly, whether he intended to bring specially under the notice of the llouse the minute of Council on Education, laid on the table the sth of February, or only incidentally to allude to it while in Committee of Supply? MESSAGE FRONI THE LORDS—ROYAL ASSENT. Mr. Pulman, the Deputy Usher of the Black Rod, appeared at the bar, and summoned the House to attend !he H ouse of Lords, in order to hear the Royal Assent given to several Bills (for which see Lords' report). The Speaker, accompanied by several Members, then withdrew. The SPEAKER, on his return, informed the llouse that her ,laiesty by commission had given the royal assent to the Destitute Persons (Ireland) Bill and some other Bills. IRELAND. Sir R. H. INGLIS, seeing his Right Hon. Friend the Secretary for Ireland in his place, begu,ed to ask him in what form tne grant of 50,0001. was to be made to the landlords of Ireland; for at the time it was before the House the Right Hon. Gentleman said it would not be made in money? He begged to ask him also what use had been made, or might be made, of the seed which had been granted by the Government to the farmers in Ireland, what prospects there were that it would alleviate the condition of Ireland, and prevent a continuance of the present miseries over next year? Mr. LABOUCIIERE said he was sorry he could give no definite and distinct answer to the Lion. Baronet's questions. But he was sure that the House would not be of opinion that the cultivation of the soil depended at all on the small grant of seed which had been made by the Government. It could not be for a moment sup posed that the Government, by any grant, could supersede the necessity (of private exertion. As to the prospects of the soil being cultivated, although he could give no definite answer to the Hon. Baronet, still he was glad to say that there was a larger extent of land laid out for wheat this year than in any previous year ; at the same time, in other parts of Ireland, there were districts which, he feared, would remain uncultivated during the coming year. Much, however, depended on the next six weeks whether exertions were taken in time to remedy the evil which it was not yet too late to avert. lie implored the upper and middle classes to do all in their power to bring about this desirable object, and he was in hope that Ireland would yet recover herself beyond their anticipations. Mr. P. SCROM had understood that, where the land. lord had neglected to supply seed to the tenant, some power should be given to those who supplied such on credit to enforce a first hen upon the growing crops, so that the produce should not all go to the credit of the landlord. If that were the cise, he believed that a large supply would be given, on the faith of repayment from the growing crops. Mr. LABOUCHERE said that no such measure was in contemplation. BANK RETURNS. Mr. HUMS sail that he would move for the returns, which stood on the paper of yesterday, relative to bank Accounts, &e.—Agreed to. DRAINAGE ACTS. Sir G. GREY said that, on Monday, he should ask leave of the House to bring in a Bill for the amending of the Drainage Act passed in the last session of Parliament. LIMITED ENLISTMENT ACT. Mr. FOX MAU LE gave notice that, on Monday, he flould move for leave to bring in a Bill for a limited enlistment in the army.—(Cheers.) lie would merely move the first reading, and take the discussion on the Bill in a future stlge. POOR-LAWS. On the motion that the House resolve itself into a C, ratnittee of St pply, Mr. ROEBUCK said that he had given notice of his intention to ask a question of the Right Ho nourable Baronet the Secretary of State relative to the present poor laws in this country. There were few in that House who had sot seen the columns of the Times, where an extraordinary opinion had been given by a Learned Friend of his with respect to the poor laws. Questions had been put to Mr. Matthew Hill, whether certain proceedings of the Poor-law Com missioners had Lem legal, and if proceedings could be taken against them by indictment or other wise, to which Mr. Hill answered that the first act of the statutes was legal, but that the conduct of the Poor-law Commissioners was illegal, if the facts were as described in the question; and, thirdly, that they could be proceeded against by indict ment, by information, or by action. Among other regu lations in this Act, these Commissioners were to act as a board, and not in their individual capacity as Commis sioners, and their proceedings were to be subject to the supervision of the Secretary of State. And now it ap peared, from the result of this Andover inquiry, that ever since their constitution, the Act of Parliament had been violated, and the question he had to ask was, what was now to be done? Ile was quite sure that no man who had taken part in the discussions when this law was passed would be inedned to throw out the slightest im putation against the Poor-law Commissioners ; but it was very evident that the law had broken down under them. But they were about to recon struct this law and there was on the table of the House a measure for establistung an amended poor-law fur Ireland, and there was a vague notion that this law was to be assimilated to that for England, and he would ask them, were they to proceed without any further infor mation than they already possessed? This was, he be lieved, the last session of the present Parliament, and it was therefore evidently necessary to take some mea sures for improving the law, and if it was to be re constructed without throwing any imputation on the present Commissioners, for he only knew those gentlemen through the ordinary courtesies of life, he must say that they were not the persons to carry it out. They would have indictments and actions brought a a l Les : i d n t t h ej the N t parts without information r d s of the country, and they would k oble B lead a life f or w hi c h h e c ertainly did not envy , Russell) them. Thi s was t h e l ast sess i on , an d h e wou ld a y g ai t n h _t e, cheerua whether e thheey supposed e ose t d o Hear, hear," from the answer he would At the present moment get would be, that they were nut. three or f our gen tl e m e n, who had been entrusted with the carrying out of thisilaw, had taken on th emse l ves to violate an Act ofPar liament. Under these to know, if it we e e treu t m h stances, hey would wish intention of her Majesty's Government to extend the Ire land, whether it would be equitable to poor-law to do se without a knowledge of all the circumstances connected working in England ? Ile, as the aou with its aware, was not one of those who wished part tomudste defend be Irish landlords , but the y were athat commun ity commun ity whom they were bound to prot ec t. Th erefore ! h.- thought it weuld not be right to put them under this law without a knowledge of its working from the Com missioners. He would ask the Noble Lord if he had re ceived any suggestions from the Poor-law Commisioners, for it was their duty to have made those suggestions. He was obliged to confess that the poor-law administra tion in this country had been a lamentable failure. He believed that this was not the fault of the law, but of the pqrties who were employed to carry it out, who were not in the dark at present, efficient. They were going on and he thought it the duty of the Government to tell the House what - they were about to propose, not only with respect to the poor-law England, but also in It?land. The law was based on many difficult points connected both with that lloase and with the tranquillity or Ire land, and he thought that the best means at the present moment would be to institute a thorough inquiry into the system. Sir G. GREY said, that with reference to the first part of the observations addressed to the House by the lion, and Learned Member, he thought it would be but right to state to the House the course to be adopted by the Government. On receiving the report of the Committee of I nqu i r y i nto th e circumstances con nected with th e a d m i n i strat i on o f t h e poor -l aw , he (Sir George Grey) had a dd resse d to the P oor -l aw Commissioners a letter, calling upon them to state what might hare been the course followed by them in conducting the business of their office. He had received a full report upon that subject, and that report had been referred to the opinion of the law officers of the Crown, to ascertain how far the practice of the Commissioners might be in conformity with the law under which they held their powers. The result of that reference was, that the opinion given was not such as to leave her Majesty's Government in doubt as to the legality of the acts, or the validity of the law under which they were performed. He was surprised that the Honourable Gentleman should have proposed to delay by a long in quiry the measures to be adopted with regard to Ire land, when he himself had approved of them.—(Hear, hear.) The Noble Lord at the head of the Government had stated the course he was to pursue upon this point, and had asked and obtained leave to bring in a Bill upon this subject. That Bill would shortly be in the hands of Honourable Members, and would be under considera tion upon the Bth of M arc h , t h e d ay f or w hi c h the dis cussion on the suLject was fixed. Mr. HUME wished to call attention to another im portant document. He wished to call attention not to the evidence, but to the report of the Committee ap pointed to inquire into the subject of the Andover Union. That report showed completely that every act of the Commissioners since the year 1841 was illegal, When the Committee were asked to condemn the con duct of the Commissioners, their reply was that the con duct of the Commissioners was not referr,d to them by the House. The Commissioners had carried on their business in private rooms without having a secretary present to record it. The proceeding; were noted down on slips of paper, instead of being recorded in books, and that was an additional reason why Gevernment should take up the question. It was rather too bad, when an inquiry had been instituted into a particular matter, that Government should decline to take any notice of its results. Mr. STAFFORD O'BRIENis tated that, as an indivi dual he believed, after having carefully examined the working of the two Poor-law Bills in England and Ire land, it would be a benefit to Ireland if the English Poor-law were taken clause by clause, and applied to Ire land, and any Hon. Member who would bring f,rward such a measure should receive his cordial support. Mr. SHAW wished to know when the House were likely to have in their hands the Bill for the reconstitu• don of the Poor.law Buard fur Ireland, and whether it was intended to bring the measure of the Irish Poor-law under discussion at the same time as the Landed Property (Ireland) Bill, which was to be brought forward on the Bth of March. Lord JOHN RUSSELL, before he answered the ques tion of tl-e Hon. Member for the University of Dublin, would make a remark upon what had fallen from the Honourable Member for Montrose. That lion. Member seemed to suppose that the reports of the District Asylums Committee and the Andover Union Com mime were left unheeded and negli cted by the Govern ment, who stood by as though they were not concerned in the matters referred to in tho3e re ports. He would ask, then, whether any higher authority could be appealed to, for knowing whether the Commissioners did their business in a legal manner or not, than the Attorney General, at least so long as the administration of the poor-law was under the management of Government ? On that appeal the only answer they got was, that the Commissioners could be asked for any further ex planation. It was true that there had been a series of letters in the newspapers, signed by Mr. M. D . Hill, in which allegations were mad e that the Commissioners did their business illegally ; but all these allegations were founded on an anonymous case, which was itself founded upon nothing, and it was a little hard that such grave im putations as these should be thrown out against the Poor-law Commissioners on the assertions of this among gentleman. For his own part, he could not help being of opinion that if the Commissioners had thus violated the law to such an extent they must have been conscious of the fact. So much for the legality p ar t o f the affair. With respect to the delay in bringing forward the measure, the House knew as well as he did, t h a t, what with the measures for the introduction o f co r n , the Sugar Distilleries Bill, the discussion on the Noble Lord's proposition of railways for Ireland —that while carryingc)ontry, rit w w a a s r d utterlythe measures impossibleforwith the the relief w o d f ay t s ti a a t t o the command of Government to bring the Poor-law Bill under the notice of the House, and he would have been highly imprudent if he had forced it forward. v to the have wished to go pro form into With respect to the alteration of the p oor-law in Ire land, he hoped that they should be enabled to lay on administrationthe tab le pa per s o containing fthe po o r i a f i o n rm lr • a e i a o n ri d. Committee rHe uponle wouldatie the Poor-law (Ireland) Bill, but it would be too late to do it . , t H on Monday e for Ireland. p h r e op o should se a Bill for r that the itb committed. loans RELIEF OF THE DESTITUTE IN THE METROPOLIS. would eveningthn Sir W. JAMES wished to ask the Secretary for the Home Department, if it was the intention of her Ma jesty's Government to introduce any measures to relieve the casual poor in the metropolis? Sir G. GREY had not received any information on the subject from the proper quarter, and was not at all in a position to say what his views on the subject were. BOROUGH OF CAMBRIDGE. feared that there was a disposition to over-rate the power of any Government to relieve distress.—(Hear, hear.) All that they could;do would be dene,witr esA the fact that the Noble Lord was at the present moment raising a loan of 8,000,i30,1, to re lieve the distress prevalent. The people of Ireland had, at this moment, a claim upon the co-operation and support of England, and that support had been given as far as it could be. tie ad mitted that there was a feeling on the part of the English and Scotch people, that while they were helping their Irish brethren, there ought to be a corresponding exertion on the part of the people themselves. BOARD OF WORKS' REPORT. Colonel WOOD wished to ask the Right lion Gentleman the Secretary for Ireland, when any additional report from the Board of Works in Ireland would be laid on the table ? Mr. LABOUCHERE replied that they were made out every month, and laid before the House as soon as possible afterwards. EXCHEQUER LOANS. Mr. HUME wished, before the order of the day was read, to call the attention of the House to the mode in which it was proposed to effect tho loan of the eight millions that was in • tended for the relief of Ireland. It appeared to him that the proceeding,, as he had seen it stated in the papers, was againat all experience, and would have an injurious effect on the finances of the country. He regretted it very much, and was of wei nion that it would be mush better to borrow the money at ihe lowest rate of interest for which they could get it, and he hoped the Noble Lord would alter his plan so as to embrace his view. Lord J. RUSSELL replied, that they had proceeded with the plan referred to because they considered it the best one which, from the best information they could get, could b.. adopted. On the motion to go into a Committee of Supply, CONVEYANCE OF FOREIGN PROVISIONS. Mr. SHARMAN CRAWFORD brought forward the mo tion of which he had given notice, that an humble address be presented to her Majesty, praying that she would be graciously pleased to authorise and direct that such ships of her Majesty's navy, as can be spared from the regular duty, should be ap plied, under such regulations as her Majesty might deem ad visable, to the accommodation of merchants in the conveying of co-n and provisions from foreign countries into the ports of the United Kingdom. On taking a survey of the various countries from which corn might be expected, it would be found impossible to procure from the mercantile marine a suffi cient amount of shipping to convey the food accumulated in foreign countries to the people of this country. There would be one million of quarters of grain collected in the various parts of the Danube by the Ist of June, and this grain, if brought to this country in the mode he pointed out, would greatly alleviate the pressure of the present calamity. ant in America, also, and other places, the accumulation of grain was equally great. It might be at once seen, then, how great was the scarcity of ships from the increasing freights that were charged for the conveyance of grain, a statement of which he then made to the House. He would not attempt to dwell upon the wretchedness of Ireland, as that was well known to her Majesty's Government ; and he hoped that the measure now proposed, tending, as it would do, to alleviate in some degree the mass of misery which prevailed in that coon try,'.' would meet with their approval. He would not trespass longer on their attention, but would conclude by submitting the motion. Lord J. RUSSELL said that the subject referred to in the motion of the Hnn. Member had been brought under the no tice of the Government some time ago, and they had hail it under their consideration, but they did not think it advisable to adopt it. He should however, say that there were at pre sent a great number of vessels—sailing-vessels and steam-ves sels employed in conveying provisions to different parts of Ireland. There were thirty steam-vessels, twelve sailing-vessels, and five depot ships, employed in the conveyance of provisions to and from different parts of Ireland. With regard to the supplies from abroad, of which the Hon. Member had spoken, he feared that he had estimated them far beyond the truth. He thought that the quantity of grain which they might expect from abroad was very small indeed. But supposing, they acceded to the motion of the Ho nourable Gentleman it would be necessary, in the first place, to put the vessels in a condition adapted to the conveyance of provisions. Now 'this would occupy considerable time and would occasion considerable expense. It would take about 19,0001. to put them in this state, and perhaps double that amount to adapt them again to the purpose for which they are intended. In addition to this, the very limited supplies of grain which they would be able to procure made it very obvious that no adequate result would compensate for such expen diture. The certain consequence, however, would follow that as soon as it became known and was proclaimed that her Ma jesty's ships were employed in this service it would cause a very great discouragement to the exertions of the mer• chants of this country.—( Hear, hear.) It would re quire a much greater eff frt to be made than he had anticipated. His own estimate was, that it would require from 1,20 tto 1,500 ships for a service of this kind. Now, if it was proclaimed that Government vessels were to be employed, the number of vessels now engaged in the conveyance of food would be considerably less, and the freights from America and Odessa would be considerably greater. There was also con i derable difficulty, as well as expense, in bringing Indian corn from the western states to the ports of America. Corn, which was sold in the interior at 7d. per bushel, was enhanced in price several shillings before it arrived at the port in conse quence of the cost of conveyance. And in addition to this, there was a great deficiency of boats to bring it down the Mis sissipi. The great objection, therefore, to the proposal of the Hon. Gentleman was the expense it would cost—the great loss of time it would occasion before it could be carried into effect, and the great discouragement it would give to private enter prise. He hoped the Hon. Member would, under these cir cumstances, withdraw his motion, for he might rest as sured if her Majesty's Government thought they would be able by that means to accelerate the importation of food, and to in crease the supplies, they would be as ready to adopt it as they were to employ her Majesty's vessels in the distribution of grain to the different ports of Iceland. The motion was then by leave withdrawn. Lord JOHN RUSSELL then stated that a proposal had been made to the Government by the Society of Friends, who had exerted themselves so much for the relief of the distress in Ireland, that they should, by their contributions, endeavour to raise a sum of money sufficient to purchase a cargo of corn, if the Government would allow one of her Majesty's vessels to convey it from America. Government declined that proposal, but offered to pay themselves for the freight of the corn from America to this country. Mr. KERR thought if Government had allowed her Ma iesty's vessels to be employed in affording accommodation to those persons who were disposed to emigrate from Ireland, that this, in connexion with the plans which they were at present engaged in carrying out, would be productive of the grea•est good to the inhabitants of. that country. In that way they should get rid of a large portion of a population which could not find either sustenance or employment in Ireland. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said, that with regard to vessels bringing corn to this country, they would be at liberty to take in passengers to the colonies without being subjected to the operations of the Acr. That was to be allowed, provided that they confined themselves to passengers only, and he believed that the system would be of benefit to the country. SHIPS' SIGNALS. Sir DE LACY EVANS, on going into Committee of Supply, begged to call the attention of the House to certain erroneous allegations in the petitions from the borough of Cambridge, complaining of the omission, or non-registration, of several duly qualified, in the last court of revision held in that borough. He held in his hand a letter from the town 'clerk, stating these facts, and expressing a hope that a remedy might he found to correct this state of things, and restoring these voters to their franchise during the ensuing year. The charges of neglect of duty against the Revising Barrister were totally unfounded, for he had p,rformed his duties sub stantially and completely. A list of the claimants had been submitted to him, which list he had given in a perfect state to the town-clerk. He had only further to state that, of the sixty voters excluded, they were in pretty nearly equal proportions of the opposite parties— Liberal ec. and Conservative ; and in the event of an el e in tion, the results would be of no great matter. S means should be adopted for rectifying the Act of Par liament, and the parties were very anxious that an inquiry should take place. FEVER IN IRELAND. Mr. J. O'CONNELL said that in rising then he bad no intention of interfering with the business of the House upon the paper for that night, but he felt it absolutely n ceesary to call the attention of the Government,for short time, to the co n dition o f I re l a nd. He was well aware e r that they would have, during the next fortnight, many opportunities of discussing the condition of that country, on the mea s u r e s w hi c h t h e G overnmen t had upon the paper f o r th e re li e f o f I re l an d , b ut h e w ished to di rect the serious attention of the Government to the necessity of additional measures. He did not refer to the accouats of increasing distress, which appeared in s mo rning paper of that day, for, s i nce the beginning of the pr esent session, the Iri s h M em b ers h a d the misfortune to have everything they said, with reference to their country, treated as an extravagance and exaggeratio n. disease of typhus f ever had already appeared, and if the Government restricted the diet of the people to the . single article of sou p, t h ey would cau s e them to eth x e perience the disease of dysentery, acco rding to opinion of the mos t eminent medical men. He hoped Government would tak e an o p portun ity of conside. .e. the propriety of bringing forward some measure whdli: should hold out a prospect of Ireland being, at " lion. taut period, supplied with solid food. Som e s t h e Gentlemen would seem to lay it down a v iicy, rule to be adopted in the present ewerbieshed. that the population of the country should be &mi% pted, but he saw no reason why that rule should beanhie ot seeing Ireland, when well cultivated, was l e . The producing more than sufficient food for it , p natural resources of the country people, and exported in large quantities to t were r, fused of ason, He would expless his hope that the dictates the Go his country. t the justice, and humanity, would be attended tk by. not be vernment, and that the people of Ireland wsoauffilei eient re told by them that they must perish; that sources were to be found in the country, and to those the starving millions of population d the because the supply of food had decreased, the people must 1 ,ok, or that,. was a horrible should decrease also, by emigration. It doctrine for any person to propound. the misconduct of Government that r _ condition, and it its present distressing con " e ' a l a s n d owingw aswas in but fair that the Govern ment should bear the consequences of its fatal misconduct.—(Hear.) The effect would be to break down the .ratespayl•st.toe, the condition of the viuners. They believed tha h prosperity of the country 'bad risenspite oft he poor ian m s outh ino in that laws; but he had stated more t House that they were quite readhalito give up their oppo 3:t to make their experi sition, and allow the Government experi ment; though he believed d thatinetrhe attompt to carry pout be only a reekiess wast o these laws in Ireland woul . ularly at a time when the effort and of means, p funds of the country webraeertsfirie)istrained, and must be so re strainedghtful distress. Still, he to relieve t t majority of the Irish Members asserted, that a any burden which were quite readygrea to bear to imp' P upon them. But he they might choose thought all these attempts would be useless, and h e would ra t h er point to an observation of the Chancellor of the Exchequer the other night when he w as alluding to t he Irish receipts in the Exchequer, a re mark which ha d not rece i ved the notice . which it de served. Th a t remark pointed to the possibility of in creasing those re cei p ts, and ho (Mr. J. O'Connell) be" lieved that if they co uld only increase l. the exp en di ture in Ireland, instea d of paying n theproportionb of one third to w t hi s country that they w ould dout;let e amount. and instead of rece ivie g onlyl2 000 0001. they would get 17,000,0004 from the Excisse. y w b ould do sunie makiug the thing to effect good toward Ireland landlords return home. They should be compelled to do so by the expression of public opinion. That would create something like expenditure of _capital in I re l and, and con s e q uently relieve the people of this country from a portion o f the burden t h a t pressed upon themaet bprroesuegnhtt. Lie trusted th a t the Irish measur es might b forward as hastily as possible, that the Irish Members might return as soon a:, possible to do what th ey might to relieve the distress which existed around them. Mr. LA BOUCHERE said that he was not aware that the Hon. Member for Kilkenny had it in contemplation to bring this subje c t al p res ent before the House , and he had sp o k en so often upon the subject, that the House would excuse him enter ing at large upon it. He trusted that when the Honourable Member spoke of the horrible doctrine of delaying the measures for Ireland, th a t h e did not refer either to her Majesty's Go vernment, or the English and Scotch public. He had never heard any such doctrine broached, and he thought that it had been justly condemned. Had the Honourable Mem ber referred to the diet intended for the Deonl of Ireland, and to the consequence of giving —therm a liquid food. The subject had occupied the attention of the Government, and enormous quantities of solid food were being sent by the Government over to Ireland in orde r to relieve, much as possible, the distress there. He felt it to b e his duty to to do all that-lay in his power to mitigate that distress, bet he Mr. HUME wished to know whether the Admiralty had come to any determination with respect to the signals to be adopted by vessels sailing off the coast of England. There were collisions so frequently occurring at sea, that some measure was necessary to prevent it. He saw, by a return, thatf on fn sti the en u a r el i coast a g hs at the dn f b e p e a n s t Ireland,. y d e o a p r t , ne s nd s d, O rnh c u o e l c Ii believedh s i o of n t s h o i : that losss h p s might had if i gah pt taken pl ace on have ap e ye; been enet ne avoided. The experiment had been tried by her Majesty's ships at Portsmouth, and it was desirable that they should know the result of the experiment. t n h e a x t t t he week trial he s a n d B been h e m e a n d a e h t l o s d a t c n o n l a s y i dtehr the the Home Department in his place , he would ask the Noble r e ables ll ul l lr r et .. sx R tleeVn O nAtt E hße ß aDn U t adsb C atl ROEBUCK said that as he did not see the Secretary Lord at the head of the Government, if there was any ob jection to lay upon the table the answer of the Poor-law Coin. missioners to the question of the Government, as to the manner in which they exercised their functions. Lord JOHN RUSSELL was understood to say that the paper would be laid upon the table. NAVAL ARCHITECTURE. Sir C. NAPIER wished t. call the attention of the House to the system pursued in her Majesty's dockyards with respect to the building of vessels for the navy, and to the abuses which prevailed as to the use of ships which had been built at an enormous cost to the country. There had been eight three-deck ships cut down, and many others so altered as to be materially injured. There had been hardly one ship built of late which had not been altered in some respect more then once, but all of them once. He would read the return of the ships cut down, in order to show the ex tent to which the system was pursued. A 74. gun ship. built in 1815, which cost 86,0401., was cut down in 1841. The Vin dictive, built in 1813, and which cost 81,0001., was cut down to a frigate in 1832, without ever having been at sea. The Amazon, 42. built in 1821, was cut down, without having been at sea, in 1844; and another 42-gun ship was cut down in 1845. The Brilliant was cutting down at the present moment. The Penelope, 44. was converted into a steam-frigate. The Thames. which cost 37,0001., had been turned into a hulk, and the Bacchus was now cutting down. The Hebe, built in 1826, and which cost 32,4841., was turned into a hulk in 1839; and many other ships had also been either cut down or turned into hulks. The sum of their cost was 619 0001. Ships of 44 and 42 guns had been cut down into corvettes, mounting 22 guns, and, in fact, the late Board of Admiralty seemed to have it as their hobby, that a corvette of 22 guns could carry heavier metal, and be superior to ships of 44 guns. He very much doubted the propriety of cutting them down, but it was well known that the practice of the Admiralty was to turn large frigates into small corvettes. The next fact he came to was, with reference to the Caledonia, a three-decker, built in 1/4)8. costing 81,000!., and afterwards repaired at an expense of 10,00 W. in 1615. The Board of Admiralty took tne freak into their head of widening the Caledonia, which was done at an enormous expense, and a good ship turned into a very indifferent one. Lord Exmouth, who commanded her in the Mediterranean, begged that they would not spoil the ship, but they were indifferent to the request. They had six three-deckers on the stocks at the present moment, mounting each 110 guns, built upon the model of the Queen, and the Admiralty were in fact quite ignorant as to whether she was a ship fit to use as a model. There were six 90-gun ships built after the Albion, a ship which was sent to sea in 1341. He cautioned the Admiralty at the time to be careful in building ships until they had tried the models, but no attention was paid to it, and the vessels were to be con structed upon a plan which acted indifferently in small vessels, and could not therefore be very applicable to large ones. There had been many doubts as to whether the Albion was a good or bad ship, but he had one proof of her qualities ; namely, that in a late gale she rolled 45 degrees to leeward, and lurched ever tr a o n d w w i n i w t d h w a s a h r i e n d r t4lr3e ports degr seve n ees. a h r r e o d l l l il y i no: Rodney d h i but then she was in yacht feett MediterraneanHr i m e f 0, she r e br m u ist e na m ci thei h b ee e d srmee out um, te w elluo h etf e n n att blhytheeh at twaVan guard . tbr, esert r.: t stores he l Vanguard board, i s rdc,,r s ri e ed t.a o i n le ly d I 618 tons, and ; made e then she sailed well. The Superb had the same complaint ,5 Rodney—a much smaller 685 tons, while the old Canopu ni s sde ha . d d 793 tons. gi On another, ship than the Albion--carr of the water, whilst the 7 feet 8 inches, and 8 feet out She hadnow hem 61 feet. been sent Albion only carried t of th ehestrn,reasntdo threirmctahpetasinhiph.aidedaethuearllypobretesn7obfeleigted4itoincshheist Malta.t hg o rueeenzeee, eafn dt h T he drop p re obliged to hold on in conse quence the people of the Albion shipped an immense quantity of ~hippehda;dexerocfisewdatheerrognuhnesr ilnowaersdtreocnkg, n w f ate tb r. em built upon the old system? The s team navy was equally badly p to send against a French vessel which was a 4ti gun frigate, and the Terrific, . He next came to She had been lengthened about sixty one of the largest size. and what was the result? Why that feet by the Admiralty' ; She was, in her altered state, If up. she could not bear herself inches above the water. She went to the managed in consequence to t h cear f r r y equ m e a n i t n- a d lt e e n r k atio g n u s ns and st ma n n il y . only four feet eleven Wwaesrethautnaablfiet ship deck was but four feet fo u r her inchesenreedns,nitttht i a nn t fg w ot h hn i e l l while wi,h.niettreheri,,,, andhsei x r main mi they i,s port holes, to keep the water had been obliged to co r k the in Terrible, which was built at Wool wich,out. He now came e to at talent and experience, and it was ex by a man and proper man-of-war. Now the Beard ofAdmiralty in ing, and although she was i of the dock w coast of Africa ; and h absolutely forgot to have any stern-ports ' 1860 tons burden, they pected that she heroweintgurled ship turn was out building, 7 ld all had le a .r. 'f_ "~'~- 4.........................„, made in her. The consequence was, they bad to cut down her put under the control of the First Lord of the Admiralty, stern-deek, in order to accomm o d a t e the guns, and then they had and if the docks were put under the second or the third Lord, to hunt about to get guns to suit. The how ports of this shipliad he believed that matters would turn out much more correctly. also been very badly eoestructed. She was a ship. nevertheless, He spoke from experience when he slid that, for he had had the that steamed well, and was efficient in several ether respects.— building of one ship himself; he had to consult with the Wilder, ( Hear, hear.) But let them wait a little before they cheered, with the engineer, and with the others; but he had invariably they were not yet out of the wood. She was to have been had the builder and the engineer brought _ together, constructed to carry 800 tons cf coal, but when it was stowed ' so that by their frequent consultations each might know the in her, it was found she would not stow away under decks ' other'sdidies and preparations more perfectly, and soaharmony more than 350 tons, or coal for four dais, at the rate of 85 : he established which alone could ensure correctness and adapta tons a day. They had been obliged to get coal bunkers built Lion. He was sure that without that, they could not go on as on the deck, and then she could not carry more than 500 or ! they ought, and yet, as it was at present, the builder was per -550r tons. But 'his was no t t h e only fault of the Terrible, , ha .s at Portsmouth and the engineer at Wo o lwich , and all her paddle-boxes were elev a t e d great l y above the decks, and ' thateach had'of the other's work, was what could be supplied by her steam-boxes and boilers were actually six feet five inches i drawings. He felt assured that his Suggestion as to the diva above the level of the water. The engines were so that in a fight there would be no escape If a shot were fired i i ad t d • placed ! sion of s e rvices by the Lords of the Admiralty would yet be into the boiler, then below, about forty persons in number 1 Watt? impossible oaseishpliate thatthe h First ec 0 whoever u L l o d rd exedte al h l e theoi i ghdtotbiees; which r ie i h t would be completely cooked. In fact boiled by the stea m . If such a thing were to happen th e resu l t would be that I much less if he ; he was ex p ec t e d to d o were lie a young man of 30 yesrs of age, were a man at 76, as his friend Sir George not a stoker would be got' ogo into th e navy . The Retribu. ' _Cockb ur n was. Another point to which he would address Lion was a steam-ship of 1,641 tons, and h er ma i n -d eck was himself was the manning of the ships.. They were told that but five feet six inches above the lower; she was unable to their men of war were not to be ships without guns, and they carry main-deck guns. The Avenger of 1,442 tons was ex- were told that the 40-gun strip s were manned with their corn ' actly in the same predicament. The same might be said of ! plement. But what the of tin the was n um b er men at resen t the Bareemide, the Sampson, the Centau-, the Vulture, the i service? ' Why they were 4,000 sheet. • Pegasus, the Dragon, the Firebrand, the Orion, and several I M r ►WA 111)— (laughingt-4,000 men over. That was not others. Not one of these could carry ma'n• deck guns. They a great mistake. could not go into action, and could only carry eight days fue: at I Sir CN A PIER—WeII, but the late Government, when the the most. If they did go into action, from the poet i en o f t h e i r came into o ffi ee, madelar e eeprofeeei ons . Si r George Cockburn toldy boilers and paddle-boxes, they would be cerlain of destruction. them that their line-of -battle ships and the other ships of war must be properly manned, and he began on a m agnificent He rememberedin 1841 he clutiOned the ' Board of Admiralty' aga:nst the construction of iron stea m eese.i s and if they scale: But what wag the end of it? Why, when the hailt them, to plank them outside and in with timber. Yet, squadron which was then fitted out put to sea, the sailed they had not taken his advice, and had gone on w i t h one-third less teen than their complement, a nd the building iron steamers without ever having tried a vacu i ty was filed with mar i nes. But it was said that the shot neon one of them. Here was a fine list, indeed, of squadron was out upon trial ; yet there were three of the ships no less than thirty-three iron steamers b u il t , or l a id down for at that moment in the Mediterranean, and one of them was bild ng from 1840 to 1847. They h a d ne t tr i e d a s i ng l e shot at Leber]. If there were 4,000 men above the complement, on an iron steamer till very l a t e ly, an d t h en t h ey f oun d that h e wished to know how they were to be paid out of th e esti the shot went clean through one side, and almost through the ma t es o f t h e present y ear? Last year they were 150 men other. These steamers would cost about two millions of short, and this year they were 4,000 men over the complement money, or taking the latee steamers with the small ones about —how, then, could this extra number be paid out of a vote fifty thousand pounds each. If they wou ld no t cost t w o nail. no larger than, if it was so large, as it was last lions s'erling, they would at least a million and a-half. They year ?He must appeal to his Right Hon. Friend behind him, were, in fact, perfectly useless , Th e Bi r k en h ea d steam er had and take his wonted argument that with so small a vote they boon turned into a troop ship, then s h e wou ld no t c a rry more would be cblig , dto have recourse to amounts voted for differ than 450 troops, and had n o pl ace f or ca bl e _ti nts . But she ent purposes, a course which was not to be approved of, for was rot fit for a troop ship in the ti me of war , f or if sh e went thus they did net know what this Government was doing. If into action and received a s hot s h e would go to th e bottom, they wished money for any object, that object ought to be and all the troops would be d r o w ned. I n f ac t, it would he named, and a vote specifically taken for it. The Noble Lord necessary to supply all the men with a u ecollam__( Laughter.) The the Member for Lynn had chotten to think and to say of him Admiralty si.ould sell them all, O n e of th em th e Grapier, he (Sir C. Napier) that he who had just stepped off the quarter had been informed, was nearly lost the other day on the coast deck into the dockyard could not be well fitted to of Africa. He also complained of the screw vessels which had enter upon the discharge of his duties. Perhaps be en constructed. It seemed that 17 w , re in the progress of he ( Sir C. Napier) might say of the Noble- Lord, that he being built, and only one h a d b een comp l ete d, th e Rattler. who hail just stepped off a quarter-deck peculiar to himself—. Doubtless the vessel ought to have a f a i r t e al, and he hoped it for Newmarket and Epsom were the quarter decks which he would succeed; but he considered one ought to have had a fair had walked, and which he bad left to come into that House— trial before 17 others were contracted for. What he had-now could not have been very familiar or very much a master of shown was sufficient to prove that great blame was due not the duties which he was called upon to perform. But be only to the late Board of Admiralty, but to every Board of would tell the Noble Lord that his (Sir C. Napier's) vessel Admiralty that had' sat for many years. He now came to the would be ready on Saturday night to _put to sea on a trial great change in the navy last year, and the condition the sere cruise, and he would invite the Noble Lord most heartily to vice was in, prior to the brevet. In 1816 th e service consisted take a trip with WAR, -He would give him si trip round the of 1 admiral of the fleet, 66 a d m i ra l s , 68 vice-admirals . 75 Isle of Wight, and as good a battle " of—(Laughter) —its good rear-admirals, 831 captains, 812 commanders, ar d 4,012 lieute- a bottle of port as he scald get in the'kingdom, and perhaps nants. This immense num b er was repeate dl y complained that would prove a salatium to his wounded feelings over the of, yet up to 1830 it rema i ne d t h e sa me . The loss of his Railway Bill.—( Laughter and " Hear, he ar .") Government became then as h ame d o f t hi s enormo us list, Mr. CORRIE rose to make a few observations in reply to and resolved , on the 27th of July, 1830, that no promotions th e G a ll an t Ad m i r al w h o h a d ma d e hi s speech now for the should be made, brilliant exploits exce pt e d, e x ce pt one pro- sixth time, as Haneard up stairs would show. Especially he motion to every three vacancies. (The Hon. arid Gallant must notice one - point of importance, not only to the Member here read the decision of the Admiralty to that effect.) Admiralty, but to the nation at large—he meant the Matters, however, continued bad enough till la s t year, when building of iron vessels. The Admtralty felt it their the provision was made for the retirement of many of the duty to encourage ship-building, from a material officers on the list. On the 30th of September last year there which abounded in 'the kingdom. They were aware that the were 171 It ig officers—these were reduced to 139; there were timber used in the dockyards was for the most part of foreign 858 captains, which were reduced to 730; there were 918 growth, and that during the last war there had been an exees commanders, which were reduced to 855; arid 3,5.0 lieu- sive demand for it. It was natural, therefore, if they could do tenants, which were reduced 2,558. 30,000/. was granted for it with equally good effect to the navy, that the Admiralty a retiring allowance, and the flag officers were reduced should wish to encourage the use of materials possessed by to 150, and the captains to 500. But the first thing Great Britain within her own territories. He thought these the Government did at the same time was to increase were quite reasons sufficient to justify the late Board of Admie the flag officers to 160, though by vacancies which had ralty in constructing steamers of iron. But the Gallant since taken place, the number was only two above the Admiral thought that this experiment was carried 150. Though they had reduced the captains' list, what did to toe great an extent. Now, out of these 33 they do ? They promoted 60 commanders to the post of vessels, he should put nine out of the list. Several of . captains. This was undoubtedly a breach of the arrangement them were very small vessels, and he should, therefore, they had previously come to. No promotions should have been only take twenty-four on which he should make any remarks. made till the caetains we re r ed uce d to boo. On this subject The Gallant. Admiral had stated that these iron ships strained he trusted he would get the assistance of the Hon. Member so that there was great danger of both crews and cargoes being for Montrose (Mr. Hume), in order to take the sense of the lost. That was the first time that he bad ever heard such a re- House on these promoti o n s , w hi c h, if per s isted in, would place port, and just as he had a paper put into his hands by an Irish a vast amount of patronage annually in tire hands of the Go- gentleman who had made 250 iron vessels, some of them of as vernment. Instead of doing as they had done, it the Govern- much as 1,800 tons, all of which were seaworthy; and he need ment would make but one promotion for every vacancy he only take the instance of the Great Britain, now lying in Dun thou ght. the service would soon be brought. into a healthy state. drum Bay, where it has been sebject to a very heavy sea, with- He had almost forgot one thing of some importance, which he out that straining of which be complained ; but of the twenty had intended to point out to the Admiralty ;he was glad he had four vessels. one was built only for the purposes of experiment recollected it. He had just been pointing out the monstrosity on the screw propeller, and only six, the Birkenhead. of their constructing 20 screw vessels without trying any of and five others, that had been built for war yes. them except one, and 30 i r on vesse l s , o f w hi c h th e y had actu- sels. The others they had taken, because they could ally tried none ; but there was another fact which nearly equals get no others. Subsequently to the Nemesis being built, slat, if it did not excel it. What did they suppose it was? another vessel of much larger dimensions had been built. It Why, the Admiralty had given orders for four line-of-battle was of 1,31/0 tons, an - I they had the report of a ship-builder of experience for th e assurance that no vessels could better great ships, and four seventy-four gun frigates b e i ng cu t d own . Granting that object might turn out of use, what answer the purpose. Now, in refutation of this prejudice was even more than that was, that they made against the use of iron for war vessels, he would read comma no contract with the builder who was to accomplish nieations from commanders who had these vessels. One was it. This it seemed they were not in the habit of doing; for from Captain Hall, who had the Nemesis, and he said that the he was told that in the case of one of the ships which was Nemesis had been struc k as many as fourteen times in action, being built, he believed, in Mr. Green's yard, he was told there but only one shot could have been said to pass quite through was no contract, and that they just sent in their hill once a the ship, and he had never oberved any particular - month for payment. He hoped to be told that he had been from splinters from iron. Other shots glanee harmless danger away misinformed as to there being no contract. But here they bad The hold of the Nemesis was divided into seven Rater-tight four line-of-battle ships and four frigates to be cut down, be- compartments, and her bottom had been repeatedly pierced sides the war vessels on the stocks, and what, he asked, was the by sunken rocks, and yet no danger had ensued ; and his estimated amount of the expense ? What was the vote to be opinion was decidedly in favour of iron over wooden vesseli. taken? The vote of last year was 18,000'.; what was Captain Hall was a man of as great experience as any man in the vote of the present session ? 18,00 W. would do this. or any other country. Tnen there was the evidence also no more than build one good vessel ; it was im- of Captain Charleville. who had the Guadeloupe. The vessel possible it eould do more than cover the . expense which he commanded was struck by a 24-pound shot, fired of the vessel in Mr. Green's yard. But then again there hem a distance of 1,000 yar d s , and the hole made was not was the case of the Vampire ; her bows wa s p u ll e d t o pieces, larger than just sufficient to allow the shot to pass through. and she was to be made into a bad steam-boat ; they we r e t o Another shot, an IS-pounder, struck the counter when fired have a bad steam-boat for a good frigate. The vo t e of last from seven hundred yards, and it only indented the iron, and year was 18,000 t. He begged again to ask what was the vote then passed away. Another shot, which passed through ber for the present year? He found that the vote of last year side, lodged in the coal bunker, but without starting a single for building iron steam vesse l s was lee,ooo/. , and this year the belt. There were a variety of other instances which were vote to be asked from the House was 100,175'. When Mem- -given-by-some of the - most - eminent o ffi cers in the British hers came to vote away such a sure of mosey as th a t, th e y na - navy, all tending to the same effect. So that he believed that turally wished to know, and th e y o u ght to know, how it was to the.late Board of Admiralty ought to be quite exonerated (rota be spent. For his part, he did hope that the present Board 01 all blame; yet he believes that the present Board was quite Admiralty would spend it better than the• last board. rieht in holding their hands, and in refraining from going to had done. He would not speak harshly of .them just the expense of constructing iron steamers until they had the low'for as yet they h a d h a d b ut li tt l e time fullest assurance that they were fit for the purposes of war.— office. One thing,« he must mention before ( Hear, hear.) The Gallant Admiral had charged the late he resumed his seat. He u nd ers t oo d t h a t a com mi ss i on had Board with rashness in orderingso many as seventeen schooners, been sitting at the Admiralty, with a view to increase the pay but it should be recollected that these vessels were built for the of the lieutenants. He thought that there ought to be a corn- screw propeller. This was a charge that could hardly be sus mission, and the Chancellor of th e E xc h equer , he believed, ta i ned. for i f these iron vessels were not fitted for war purposes, agreed with him, to increase the wages and so raise th e status they would at any rate be fit for the conveyance of troops and of their engineers. He said it was a most singular thing, but stores; and many of the s e sc h ooners h a d b een built from a fact as true as sing ular, that G o vernment had never seat out a a j ustifiable cause, that arose from the state of the steam-vessel which had not br o k en deen—and what was the relations between this country and France. The reason? It arose from the parsimony of the Government, Gallant Officer (Captain Pechell) said that there who gave low wages, and engaged thereby a low class of men, were the block ships, but it should be recollected that they who were ill qualified to do the duties of their o ffi ce. wanted vessels to move quickly about, and block ships were When a steam-vessel was built an d th e ma c hi ne ry put in, the totally unfit for experiments. He would not have troubled the Government had neverappoiuted the engineer, previously, to see House to such a length but he was anxious to defend the late that the machinery, the cranks, and shafts, were properly and Board of Admiralty from the attacks that had been made efficiently constructed, and properly put up. In fact, there was up 'n it. one case—he would not mention names—but he knew that a Admiral DUNDAS thought that the attack of the Gallant steam-boat was constructed by order of ,the Government, the Admiral was most unfair and unjust, especially as respected 'machinery was put in, and the engineer, who had the superin- the promotion of officers. He found by looking at the o ffi cer's ' tendence of put n, and put in the n achinery, knew lists in 1816 and 1846 that as many as 1,454 offieers had died. that he was putting in insu t cient machinery at the time, and The admiral's list had been reduced from 210 to 56; the cap the consequence was, that when the vessel put to sea, she broke Cain's list from 851 to 697 ; the lieutenant's from '4,317 to 'down. His opinion was, that if the Government would in- 4,248. With respect to the number of promotions that had crease the wages of their engineers to a sufficient amount, and been made, he could state to the House that upwards of 160 raise their station to a higher grade —say the rank of Lieu • lieutenants had been promotedsfor meritorious services rendered tenants—(Mr. Ward :' i hey have it.") Sir Charles said to the country, and he only regretted that double that number he was glad to he ar it ; b ut if they would increase had not been promoted, in order that the Government might their wages also, and appoint them in time to inspect the ma- show their sense of the services that had been rendered to the chinery as it was being put on hoard, he was convinced that country. the effect would be immensely beyond any anticipation the Captain HARRIS was glad that this attack had been made, House might be prepared to make on the subject. Another as it had elicited the statements that had j ust been made on still fu rl her rej oiced to point to which he wished to citasv the attention of the Ad- both sides of the House , d marshy, was their officers— he. meant their petty o ffi cers. hear that our large vessels of war were not to be la id aside, He said the -naval officers had been continually rated in that and that our seventy-four gun . ships were not to b e put out of House and throughout the country' by persons who knew no- commission for the sake of using steamers . W ith retard to thing about the subject they , were talking upon ; but, if Go- stea m . .boats, he concurred with been sa i d upon vernment would pay their first class and second class of officers subject; but he did not think the steam-boat system had thatl:tetter these ra te , and their seam e n al s o, th e y would yet been sufficiently developed. There was another point he fi t rul a men would feel it punishment enough to wished to allude to, though he was loath to do so; but after it hhold their wages, and the consequence would very soon be chat had occurred the other evening, he f :It .itto be his duty w hat all corporal punishments would disappear from the to do so. He deprecated very much the issuing of such t navy. He expressed his fervent hope that the Admiralty an order as that ment.onee the other night by the Right Hon. would this year pay attention to the recommendations of that Secretary to the Admiralty, because, if the commander could commission. One thing that he wished to press upon the not be entrusted with the power of correc ti ng the men under Secretary of the A dmiralty was that he would establish at least him without previously consulting a s en i or o ffi cer , h e oug h t not one single seaman 's home at one of the ports; h e begged dis- to b e entruste d w i t h the power at all. He would limit the tinctly to press this upon the attention of the Right Hon Gen- power of punishment to thirty lashes, and make that number leThey had been told again and again by the Government uniform both for home and f ore i gn serv i ce. Th e pun i shment thetforma e last four or five years that the Merchant Ssamen's might be reduced by degrees, but be thought it could not con- Fund should be upheld. .But now he begged positively to ,intently with the maintenance of due discipline be abolished ask the Government whether they intended or not to smelts- altogether. As another mode of punishment for slight offencee, rate the here ant Seaman's Fund; he begged they would .uch as drunkenness, &c., he would suggest that the allowances either do so at once or give it up altogether. The seamen of meat and grog s h ou ld b e seduced themselves said their wages were partially withheld by the Go- Alr. HUME said the subject ot improving ship building for cernmeet for the support of this fund, and they received no be- the navy was one o f considerable importance to the country, nefit whatever from it. They begged, therefore, that Govern- an d did h e not know that the matter was under the considers.- merit would either repeal the Act authorising the collection of tion of the Government he should have felt called upon to the fend, or so alter it that they would benefit from it, Again, bring it before the House. Naval architecture had long been he begged to draw the notice of the Admiralty neglected in this country, and it was a matter of disgrace to the to the Registration Bill about which so much had country that its modals for ship building for the navy had been been said of late, and not a little against it. taken from the Spaniards, the Dutch, and other nations. A Bill was brought in some years ago, by his Right Some improvement ought to be introduced into the naval lye; Honourable Friend, for the registering of the names of tem of the country in that respect, and he was very glad the seamen, and for the furnishing them with tickets. It had hear that the matter was being inquired into. With regard to the been said that that measure had proved ineffectual ; but be subject of promotion, he would defer his observations en laid be l f P oe quite differed from that opinion, and he would read a letter that point till a return of the promotions had been which he had just received from a friend well able to judge on the House, and, when that report did come, he should be the subject, which would show that such an opinion was ill- prepared to prove that the promotions of past years had been founded. The Gallant Admiral here read the letter, stating extravagant and inconsistent. He was no o advoca te o for in that the registrations for 1845 had been 207,813, and for 1816 creasing the wages, nor was he . dispose d t adpt the .____ sagg_este the number of tickets issued was 230.892; but in the latter tion to employ the navy in carrying food fromabroad , a _Dna year it was found that the number of desertions was it would derange the commercial system of the mu te•y nd sub. 2,341. The letter concluded by stating the writer's belief that would decidedly do away with corporal pun i shm ent, = the effect of this Act would be the production of great good stitute for it an improved maond_ethofeeilumcaistihotnd.opeLnedt tuhpoenGniteernst; He (Sir C. Napier) said there were still difficulties and defects ment adopt that course, an d _ a te the t in the measure, but he had seen an able friend the other day, men would be more s a te v a t dy m of d and he proposed as a means of remedying these, that some was an enemy to th me e n y e navy, which should tber l inducements tei j r d u duty. y. r a rather gentlemen should be appointed to superintend the registration, bounties f who, as soon as a bargain was struck between the seaman and preferred d increase exactly theca ptain, should register it, and the good effects, he believe , world. a er steady system o f nht :oritaft e nt holding hngt w ieov a ne g t e s w would very soon be felt. He would now trespass shortly on the of the e SPEAKER then left the Chair, and the in the same ratio as wages in every ffati o s th e er w p i a n r i t t attention of the House, while he drew their notice to the Th subject of enlistment. His Friend opposite, the Right Hon. into NAVY ESTIMATES Baronet (Sit C. Wood), had brought in a Bill, which in the a Committee of Supple , Mr. Gem/a in the Chair. event of war, was intended to have the effect of inducing Mr. WARD then rose to in t ro duce the nav y e s t imates. He the seamen to come forward immediately upon her Majesty's said—Sir, I have a difficult duty to perform in laying before the proclamation. One of the provisions of that measure was to House the navy estimates for the year, owing, first, to the large.. entitle those who came forward within five days aftertheiaro. entitle the e ss expenditure; of but I will still do my best to ma k e t h em as those actually in service to a bounty of anothe r amount. the expediture ; and, secondly, to the great var i ety of clamation, to a bounty of 10/. ; and another w a sto ho, B ooo u i year exceeds, as possible. s i6b12e:840 will Nt No , w euxtt , hc S teehe i r ides , s t t a h i mrt e ihs ea that arises o fp s ro s rofom e p s o t tsl i bea m des a t:p t l e aeyset f eu o ai r ryiser t a r h ib t t in wanted again, suppose they now suppose the House should v o te of the Exchequer The net vote supplya of men, the moment the Chan ce ll or u -,t be prepared with a d sum n early like 500,000/. But, a still greater amount, b five thousand men in a popular of the credit account of thi s year. This year a ; s s v o e, t ‘t ta v t e d th l e asty apparent eay. e l x pc e e sv f s e t e st l 7 y 7 a,oo ogre el. war, they would t he ha an overwhelini g number would a mount e d creits amount only to 175,000/., while last Tear they come forward out of merchant service, and immediate to 1 90,0001. t e e be to injure that service. He wished that some more in money than w • effeetta wo ol, could be made • so that men could be called out by well the observation. that were made the other night by my a c r la r :se g s, an arrangement, for example, which would compel Hun. Friend the Member for Portsmouth, an d my Hon. every boy, who hai served his apprentice hip in the merchant Friend the Member for Coventry, upon the financial service, to go the first or the second year after state of the Exchequer, when they impressed epees into the war service , for a certain period, when he the H ouse that nothing is more deserving the attention would be trained to his duties on board a ship of o f Parliament or more required the watchfulnes of Perlis,- war. and should thereby be fitted for her Maje s ty' s ment, the probable tendency of navy estimates to increase ia service, and at the same time acquire a knowledge a n d a l i ki ng times of peace. The referred to the standard of 1834 and of its superior eharacter. He begged once more th a t t h e G o 1835, when the navy estimates only amounted to 4,245,0001. vernment would take into consideration the composition of the Perhaps I mig ht ails them why they did not go still further Board of Admiralty. That was a subject whi c h h e h ad often back ?. Why they did not go back to 1817, when the number brought before the House, and he felt the necessity of doing so again. The mistakes that were committed were most The y 4' Icommon sense of seaman voted for the service of the year was only 17,00 0 ? nu- ey lc not do so, because their own found marous, and they were all attributed to the First Lord told them that in that fact was of the Admiralty ; but that was, in t fix a great tree- our justification. It shows that a country sure, the fault of the First . Lied ofpublic expenses, the A dmi• es owh exp , nditure in matters connected with 'the upon himself, there was a great. deal too much thrown - What may be ample provision only two years after the ution him. The three Lords ot the Admiralty had all i termination of an expensive war, affecting every ,. con. like te this l i. , an e no the docks under their management according - to the I tinental state, may not prove sufficient twenty years afterwards, evessary for the purposes present arrangement; but if this were altered—if the fleet were I mean the power which is strictly a .._ ,~