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s % • `~ ~ x~ '.'',~. ~• ~ N , • S i V . 1 , P. THE ELECIuNs to JoliN CHARLES 2„. FERNIHOUGH, tae. RIA.rE;I:2eCtfUIIY requested to record their Votes as early as possible. Committee-room, Brunswick Hotel, Hanover-street. The POLLING BOOTH is at the House kept by Mr. JON. ANDERS, opposite St. Peter's Church, School-lane. A. PRINGLE, Chairman, AT a SPECIAL GENERAL VES held at ST. NICHOLAS CHURCH, in the Parish of Liverpool, this 31st day of October, 1849, Mr. E. P. WICNIGHT in the Chair ; The Notice calling the Meeting having been read, It was moved by Mr. THOMAS HAIGH, seconded by • Mr. GREAME, and Resolved,—That this Meeting be now adjourned to the Ses sions House, in Chapel-street, (permission having been given for that purpose.) The Meeting having accordingly adjourned to the Sessions House, the Notice calling the Meeting was again read, together with the following Report : REPORT OF THE PAROCHIAL WATER COMMITTEE. The Con.mittee appointed at a Special Meeting of the Inhabitants in General Vestry, assembled on the 13th September, 1849, to take into consideration the subject of the Water supply, and especially the actual quantity of spring water now available, or which may be rendered available for all the requirements of the town; also, to give Parliamentary Nmices for altering and amending the Water Act of 1847. REPORT. That soon after they entered upon their duties, the Special Water Committee of the Town Council, presented a report to the Council recommending that an application should be made to the Lords of the 'rreasury for powers to Mortgage the Cor porate Estate for the purpose of raising money to liquidate debts contracted in carrying out the Rivington Pike scheme. 'chat your C"mmittee immediately presented a Memorial to the Council urging them not to accede to the recommendation of the Special Water Committee. . That in 'consequence of the decision of the Council, to make such an application to the Lorda of the Treasury. your Com mittee, with a view to protect the interests of the Parishioners, prepared a Memorial on the subject to the Lords of the Treasury, praying them not to accede to any application which might be made to them, by the Town Council, for such powers, and they also appointed a deputation to London to present such Memorial, consisting of their Chairman, Mr. Church warden Harbord, Mr. J. R. Jeffery, and Mr. Avison. That the gentlemen forming this deputation proceeded to London, and presented the Memorial to one of the -ecretaries of the Lords of the Treasury, and had a satisfactory interview with him. That your Committee also, under the advice of very able counsel, instructed their Law-clerk to file a bill of information, at the suit of her Majesty's A ttorney,General, against the Cor _ . • poration of Liverpool, praying' for - an injunction to restrain them from applying any portion of the Borough Funds or Cor porate Estate towards the liquidation of debts contracted in carrying out the provisions of, the Liverpool Corporation Water Works Act, 1847, inasmuch as by the clauses of that Act, the proper fund applicable to that purpose was the Liverpool Water Account, hut no further proceedings beyond leaving the subpmnas with the Town-clerk have been taken, such proceed ings having been suspended, for reasons which will hereafter appear. That at a meeting of your Comnlittee, held on the 4th inst., a communication was received from the Town-clerk, that the Special Water Committee were desirous of having an interview with this Committee. That your Committee appointed a Deputation of five of its Members to confer with them. Accordingly a meeting between such Deputation and Committee took place, when, after some discussion, the deputation were informed that your Committee should receive a communication in writing from them. That at a meeting of your Committee, held the following day, namely, the sth October instant, certain proposals in writing were received by your Committee from the Special Water Committee, including one to refer the subject to an engineer, when after the most serious consideration of such proposals, it was unanimously resolved by your Committee that they could not be acceded to ; and the fo lowing propo sitions were submitted to the Special Water Committee by your Committee, as the basis of a settlement of the question : ist,—Any works in progress connected with the Rivington water scheme to be stopped at once. 2nd,—The further casting of the pipes to be immediately stopped. 3rd,—The value of the pipes now supplied, or ready, to be paid for. 4th.—A further sum to be paid to the contractors, sufficient, but not more than sufficient, to cover any extra outlay incurred by them in preparation for the manufacture of the pipes, such payment to be on general account, and not as a forfeiture or compromise leaving the contract for the present in abeyance. sth.—lmmediate and energetic steps to be taken to increase the supplies from local sources, by a new and powerful addi tional engine at Green-lane, by putting all the machinery into perfect order, by additional sinkings and borings where practicable, by putting the pipes through the town into a per fect state so as to prevent waste, in order that a continuous and constant supply may be given as early as possible to the inhabitants; and that for this purpose a joint Committee of the Council and Parish be appointed, to test the home supply and to examine such evidence and try such experiments as they may judge necessary. 6th, That on these propositions being agreed to, this Com mittee is willing to assist in devising means for obtaining the money necessary to defray the expenses already incurred, and the pipes already supplied or now ready. 7th, That in the event of an Act of Parliament being applied for, which it is trusted will not be necessary, it should be under the joint management of the Town Council and the Committee appointed by the Parish. That in consequence of the rep'y received from the Special Water Committee, declining these proposals, accompanied by an expression of regret that their attempts to terminate this controversy in an amicable manner, bad not been attended with more success, your Committee determined to invite to a Conference the Gentlemen who memorialised the Council. That in pursuance of this invitation, your Committee have held several interviews with Edward Rushton, Robertson Glad stone, and N. D. Bold, Emirs., when the various points were discussed, and a strong opposition was made by this Committee to refer the Arbitrament of the subject to an Engineer, upon being informed by the mediators that the Special Water Com mitter would not 'yield this point, your Committee required (there being no other alternative) the appointment of two, that they might nominate one, and ultimately authorised the me diators to make the two propositions to the Special Water Committee, which, together with the minutes of the Special Water Committee thereon, were as follow : First Proposal. " The Parochiall Commtttee propose that the contracts for casting the conduit pipes for the Rivington scheme be suspended until th, question at issue be decided. The con tractors to be paid in full for all pipes delivered, or ready to be delivered, and a further sum on general account sufficient to cover any extra outlay incurred in preparation for executing the contract." This is to be carried out bona fide by the Corporation, but if contractors will not consent, best terms possible to he obtained, and the castings stopped; some persons fearing that if the casting of the whole £175,000 worth be completed, the very magnitudemaybc an important argument in favour of Rivington. Minute of the Special Water Comm/tee thereupon. " This Committee will enter into immediate negotiation with the Con tractors for the large pipes, with the object of suspending the further execution of those contracts, and if the Committee find that they can induce the Contractors to suspend further opera tions on reasonable terms, this Committee will direct them so to do. If this Committee considers the terms required by the Con tractors to be excessive and unreasonable, this Committee will confer with the Parochial Committee as to the further course to be pursued. Second Proposal. That two Engineers be appointed by the Council ; one nominated by the Parochial Committee; the two to appoint an umpire. Minute of the Special Water Committee thereupon. This Committee agrees that two Civil Engineers shall be appointed to act as Arbitrators: Both Lobe men of the highest eminence in their profession, unconnected with the locality, and wiio have not hitherto reported upon or given evidence with reference to the supply of water to Liverpool. . . _ . . One of such Engineers to be nominated to the Council by this Committee. TI e other to be nominated by the Par-rhial Water Committee. Both to be appointed by the Council, with the fullest discre tion to carry on the investigation; pre%iously to commencing which the two are to nom . nate an Umpire, to be consulted in case of difference between them, and the decision of two out of the three upon any point submitted to the umpire to be final and conclusive. The two engineers and the umpire, if referred to, to re ort jointly to the Council, and the course recommended to be final and conclusive. The engineers to be informed that they are employed as arbitrators only, and without any pro• pert of being profes sionally engaged in reference to any plant hey tray recommehd. That ut the instance of this.Cominittee. a conference took place, between the two Committees, upon the subject of the contracts, when the following resolution was passed by the hpecial Water Committee : Resolved,—"That Mr. Newlands and another gentleman to be appointed by the Parish Committee, he authorized to pro ceed to Glasgow, and take steps to ascertain the most advan tageous terms on which a suspension nh h- casting of the pipes can be obtained for three months; together with any other in formation that may have a bearing on this subject, as well as to suggest any other cocrse that may he mo=t advantageous to the public under the circumstances ; the information obtained to be submitted to this Committee for consideration." That 11r. Haigh, who was appointed by this Committee, and Mr. Newlands. accordingly proceeded to Glnsaow, and after interviews with the several contractors, reported, that under all the circumstances, and for satisfactory reasons fuily set forth in their report, an abandonment of the contracts would be /nor advantageous than a suspension. Your Committee feeling satisfied that the judgment arrived Rt by Messrs. Haigh and Newlands was correct, strongly re counnended to the Water Committee the abandonment of the contracts. Subsequently the following resolutions were passed : Besolved,—" That this Committee adhere to the proposals for the appointment of Engineers; as originally suggested by them, and c.titfirtned by the Special Water Committee at their meeting held on the 10th instant." Bolosived.—" 'I bat, pursuant to a suggestion of Mr. Rushton and the other mediators, the Law-clerk of this Committee be requested to confer and agree with the Town-clerk on the in structions to he given to the Engineers (arbitrators), defining their duties in testing the wells, taking evidence, and other proceediugs contemplated by the reference to be made to them." Rexolred.—" That an applicatiOn he made to Parliament in the next session, for an Act fa ,extension of time, additional powers. and for indemnities Nip tarrying out the propositions already submitted by this cc& gtee, and mentioned in the minutes of the Special Water - lt nittee of the 10th instant, they are willing to cooperate tl it, the same being applied for jointly by the Town.cierk tt: he Law-clerk of this Com mittee ; and also to co6pet lit. he !TWA advisable means of raising the necessary funds fet Ischarging all liabilities, in cluding the expenses of this co ittee, all legal proceedings to be immediately stay d." These Resolutions, together y. - ith those pr vionsly cited as of the 10th instant, cortstitutegie arrangements inale between the two Committees. Signed in and on behalf of t!teParochial Water Committee, Ricf-Lp HARBOR!), Chairman. It was matted by Mr. J. R4EFFERY, seconded by Mr. krictissoN -- - - That the Report of the Couintiftee now rend be received. It was moved, as an amendment, by Mr. WM BROWN, seconded by ITT. COLLINS, That the Report now presented be received so far as it nar rates the facts, up to the time when Messrs. Rushton, Glad stone, and Hold accepted the office of Meoiators ; with the ad dition, however, of the Report of Mr. Haigh and Mr. New lands. The amendment and - original motion havinv been respectively put by the Chairman, upon a show of hands the motion was declared to be carried. It was moved by Mr. J. A. PreroN, seconded by Mr. JAMES DENTON, and _ _ Resolved.—That the thanks of the Meeting be given to Edward Rushton, Robertson Gladstone, and Nicholas 1). Bold, Esquires, the Mediators referred to in the Report. EDWARD P. M`IiNIGHT, Chairman. • The Chairman having left the chair, It was moved by Mr. Joni , : SMITH, seconded by Mr. HAtott, Resolved,—That the thanks of this Meeting be given to the Chairman, for his able conduct in the chair. CHARLES HART, Vestry Clerk. . . October 31d, 1849. Mr. Sergeant Murphy arrived in Cork on Sunday night. He withdraws from the contest. Colonel Chatterton is pretty sure of his election. He has the support of Mr. B. B. Roche, M.P., who has turned Protectionist. THURSDAY MORNING, NOV. 1, 1849. 'FHB history of the question, which is the prin cipal turning point of the elections to he contested this day, is tolerably well known. It may be well, however, briefly to recapitulate its leading features, in order the better to understand its present posi tion. In the year 1845, the attention of the town began to be attracted to the necessity of procuring an increased supply of water, principally for the purpose of extinguishing fires. The old Highway Board directed its powers to the subject; and the first result was the addition of the Green-lane works to our then existing source of supply. The agitation, however, in Parliament and throughout the country, of the question of sanatory reform, told greatly upon the feelings of the people of Li verpool, who, with an almost unanimous voice, began to demand a largely increased supply ; the intermittent one, afforded by the water companies, being regarded as insufficient, and especially as most prejudicial to the health and the habits of the poorer classes, who are generally unprovided with tanks for its reception and storage. Various pro jects were canvassed ; and the least point regarded by the community of all classes, in their eagerness for an abundant supply, was the question of cost. Twenty gallons per head per day, and no less, would satisfy us; and it was immaterial to us where we got it from, or at what expenditure, pro viding its quality was good. It was to effect for us an indirect saving in a variety of ways, enough to compensate us for any outlay. Improved morals, it was said, and with reason, would be pro moted among our working classes ; and decreased cost of the prevention and punishment of crime was to be the certain result. An improvement in the health of the community was to be another source of saving; and we eve❑ indulged in statisti cal calculations as to the saving in the article of soap for washing, to accrue from the use of a water of greater softness than that supplied by the companies. To supply the desideratum, three bodies offered themselves to the community. The water com panies asked for increased powers, and a new act, to enable them to extend their pipes. 'l' he High way Board proposed a scheme to ii pound and bring to Liverpool the waters of the river Alt. The Health Committee of the Council also took up the subject, and ultimately absorbed in its own body the functions of the Board. The river Alt, as a source ofsupply, waR lost sight of in the conteloplation of the more extensive and magnificent schemes of the Bala Lake, the Hnlywell, and Rivington Pike. The latter of these was ultimately adopted by the Council, and an act of Parliament for carrying it out, containing powers for the purchase of the ex isting water company's works, was brought before Parliament and passed in the session of 1847. So far the Council had with it the unmistakeable voice of public opinion. With the exception of our own paper and the courier, the entire press of the town was in favour of the principle of an extra neous supply. Our contemporary, we believe, advocated a resort to the old highway boards' source, the river Alt, whilst we were in favour of the red sand stone supply, and only advocated the transfer of the company's powers to the Council, because we expected that that body would be able and willing to develope further, and more cheaply, the resources of our own locality. Up to the actual passing of the act of 1847, there was no public protest against its principle, or against any of its details : and yet the whole subject had been thoroughly sifted, and an immense mass of evidence, pro. and con., discussed in the midst of us, with ample notice to objectors, and in public court. No public objection was then offered. Our most pro minent confederation people were silent and inert. Nay, they looked on with something like gratifica tion at the spectacle of the water companits—who were of course " monopolists," and ad that sort of thing—being dispossessed of their powers by the Town Council. _ _ But the foundation was then being laid for a reaction in the public feeling, and what we con fidently believe to he a true view of the question of water supply. Mr. Macdonald, the active and intelligent manager of the.water works, had already demonstrated the practicability of giving a largely increased supply of water to the town from the existing sources. He had shown that a con tinuous supply might even he afforded; and that sufficient pressure was available to force it, in cases of fire, to any necessary elevation. To those who watched, like ourselves, Mr. Macdonald's proceed ings, with an impartial regard to the truth of the question, it must have been perfectly clear that a pause should be made, and the actual capabilities of the existing sources of supply fully tested, before proceeding to carry out the Rivington, or any other scheme for bringing water from a distance. Inforturiately, the mass of the community saw in Mr. Macdonald's exertions and evidence only 41/ :PC ' -1.1 , ‘ • • \ \t\ ! \ s " •St.\\ 42, SOUTH CASTLE-STREET, LIVERPOOL. CHARLES MACINTOSH & CO.'S WATERPROOF GARMENTS, the spectacle of a trusty servant enueavouring to display the property of his employers to the best advantage before an intending purchaser. He was enhancing the cost of the property of the water works companies by showing their great capa bilities. Some, like ourselves, abstained from any urgent opposition to the bill, under the impression that the leading object of its promoters was to get possession of, and to develope fully the capabilities of, the existing sources of supply. And it is clear that we were warranted in this idea, for we have it acknowledged by Mr. Samuel Holme, in his late speech at the Music-hall, that the original draft of the bill, and its scope, as submitted to Parliament, made it permissive only. The legislature itself insisted upon its being imperative; and of this we shall have to speak hereafter. The growth of the opposition to the Rivington scheme, and the re cognition of the possibility that we have already an abundant source of supply beneath our feet, need not to be traced. The main facts are simply that the former sticklers for a larger supply of water became afraid of their pockets, and a few parties attempted to make political capital of the question. _ _ And now let us glance at the position in which we at present stand, and which is a truly unfortu nate one. We have allowed ourselves—we say allowed, for we had before us, previously to the passing of this bill, nearly every fact which has been urged against the Rivington scheme and in favour of the existence of a local supply—we have allowed ourselves to he bound by an Act of Parlia ment, containing heavy penal clauses, to carry out a project against which the bulk of the community protest as unnecessary and extravagant. What is the proper mode of extrication ? In the first place we have this ordeal to go through. An act of parliament can only be repealed by another act of parliament. Any bill for such a purpose would in all probability be referred. to the same commit: tee, before whom our statements, as to the de ficiency of local supply, and the eminent • scientific evidence in favour of the Rivington project was offered. We shall have to confess to them that we have been mistaken, and to ask them to undo their own work—to swallow their own words, and here we have to remind our readers, that it was this committee which insisted upon the bill being permissive. To enable us to succeed in such an effort unanimity amongst us is quite indis pensible ; .and yet. we have just thrown away—or rather our Parochial Committee have done so for us—the only chance which offered itself of the pzople of Liverpool being placed in a position to approach the Legislature as a united community. An agreement was already effected between this committee and the Special Committee of the Council to submit the whole question, in cluding the testing of the existing sources of supply, to arbitration by engineers appointed by each party, whose decision was to be final. No plan, in our present difficult position, cculd have been more fair and more wise. Yet at the last moment that agreement has been upset—we say not on what grounds, although we have a strong opinion on the subject, we prefer leaving our readers. to form their own opinion from the proceedings in the Council on Monday, and the expose with which the public were favoured by Dr. Collins at the Spe cial Vestry meeting yesterday. It is perfectly clear to us that the special committee of the council acted together from the first in the most perfect good faith to bring about an amicable settlement of the question, which is the only kind of settle ment parliament will be inclined to listen to. Their efforts were not met in this spirit. Most deeply we deplore this unfortunate circum stance, as tending greatly to impede the realization of what we believe three-fourths of the constituency of Liverpool have at heart,—the avoidance of the unnecessary expenditure which must be incurred by the substitution of the Rivington for our pre sent supply. In our conscience we believe that water, amply sufficient for all the wants of the town, can be had, economically, from the red sand stone formation under our feet. That supply can be increased beyond calculation, by the adoption of proper modes of reception of rain water in our dwelling houses. But whatever may be the issue of the elections this day, we almost despair of see ing the wishes of the community carried out. We have committed fatal errors in placing the manage ment of our affairs in the hands of parties who have shown themselves to be most indiscreet; and we are afraid that we shall have to lament, in time to come, our egregious folly. AN important currency fact is communicated in the following paragraph from the New York cor respondent of the London Times in his letter by the last steamer : "A project is on foot for establishing a national paper money circulating medium, based on the deposit of Go vernment stocks. This scheme emanates from a portion of that party which is in power who are averse to the working of the present system. It will, however, be strongly, and no doubt successfully, opposed by that large majority who dread the effects of an inflated cur rency, against which the sub-Treasury system has afforded so great a protection." This is another nut f,r the bullionists to crack. To a great extent the proposed new American sys tem is similar to that proposed by the Liverpool Currency Reform Association; and we are not at all so certain as the Times writer that it is not likely to be carried into operation. Our boasted gold standard is obviously at a discount. AIRPROOF AND VULCANIZED INDIA-RUBBER ARTICLES, IN ALL THEIR VARIETIES, AT THE WHOLESALE AND RETAIL DEPOT, 42, SOUTH CASTLE-STREET, LIVERPOOL. C. WALKER, PROPRIETOR. TO PRIVATE FAMILIES. T. F A S H E, FAMILY WINE, SPIRIT, &PORTER MERCHANT, 47, SOUTH CASTLE-STREET, HAVING of late directed his particular attention SOLELY TO THE FAMILY TRADE, respectfully so licits a trial, feeling a confidence that while the Quality of any Article vended cannot be surpassed, the Prices will be found materially below those of a majority of the Houses extant. He, therefore, respectfully submits his List of Prices for November : SPIRITS. Gall. Gall. ...10/0 I Best Old Campbelton THE LIVERPOOL PENITENTIARY. We publish the following letter with melancholy satis faction. We are sorry to confirm, in the strongest man ner, the statements of Mr. Conor with reference to the lamentably depressed state of the Penitentiary funds; and as the institution is still the means of reclaiming many an unfortunate female from the paths of misery and vice, we hope that the powerful and touching appeal of the incum bent of St. Simon's will receive such a liberal response as it so eminently deserves. Let our readers inquire into the blessings conferred by this charity, and they will not need another stimulus to the exercise of their benevolence. TO THE EDITOR OF THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD, Ma. EDITOR,—WiII you allow me, through the columns of your paper, to inquire how it is that one of the most useful and most necessary institutions of the town, the Penitentiary, is almost in a state of bankruptcy ? The streets and lanes teem with arguments—living arguments—to prove the neces sity of such an institution. The faithful and affectionate lauours of the committee of management may be, in some measure, estimated from the reports which have, year after year, been issued, and which also prove the utility of the insti tion, and the blessing which has been vouchsafed. _ _ _ The energies of the institution are now much crippled, and the committee tare been forced to limit the number of inmates to 45. The condition of it must be a most melancholy contempla tion to all who love the souls of their perishing fellow-creatures. As minister of St. Simon's parish, I feel it keenly. In 1847, when the last census of my parish was taken, there were found 89 houses of ill-fame, inhabited by about 446 females. In times past I had these houses regularly visited, and we have had the pleasure of bringing . many a poor girl to the right path. All such visitation is row at an end, because of the crippled ener pie, of the Penitentiary. Poor girls have come to me, beseech ing me, with tears, to rescue them from their lost state. Alas ! I have het n obliged to answer then► coldly, because of the crippled energies of the Penitentiary. Recently the cholera has been among them : they have trembled as they saw their companions cut offin their iniquity. What an opportunity for me to say, " Behold the open door of the Penitentiary. You may go the re, and sit at the feet of J e sus" ; but I could not, because of its crippled energies. I hear of females being unhappy in their polluted abodes—of their being willing to come out ; bat I could institute no in quiry, or make no movement, for the above reason. I have written these few hasty lines in hope that they tray meet the eye of some of those whom the Lord has blessed with means, and I pray that Ile may put it into their hearts to sub scribe to the Penitt-iaittry—to work for it—to pray for it.— Respectfully yours, JOHN It. CONOR, Incumbent of St. Simon's Parish, in Liverpool. St. Simon's, Oct. 22, 1849. The Qtu•rn has conferred a baronetcy on the Lon? 111nyor of London. _ _ _ ii.EPEAL ASSOCIATION.—The fourth and most wretched meeting of the series, was held on Monday. The rent for the week was £29 Bs, Id., wherever that• sum came trill:. The Qu• en Dowager had some refreshing sleep on Monday night and felt better on Tuesday morning. Sit David Davies remains in atte ndabee on Hot. Mtjesty at the Priory. _ Lord it , den has written strongly to the Orangemen, dissuading them from their intended de rnonstration on the sth of November; and in consequence it will most likely be abandoned. LIME STREET WARD.—We are glad to find that Mr. Johr Stewart has allowed himself to be nominated as a candidate for this ward ; and, as Mr. Picton will no doubt retire from the contest according to his expressed intention, Mr. Stewart will be returned unopposed. QCOITING MATCH AT SEACOMBE.—This interesting match came off yesterday afternoon, and terminated in the defeat of the Seacombe players, whose throwing, how ever, was excellent. The Scotch players used the small heavy quoit, and the Seacombe players the large quoit, which, tieing affected greatly by the wind, lost them, it was observed, many casts. Ths throwing match comes (.ff to-day. SUBSCRIPTION FOR THE - FAMILY OF THE LATE DR. BYRTH.—WC are• extremely glad to find that a very munificent subscription is being raised for the interesting. family of this much-lamented reverend gentleman. We believe that upwards of £2,000 have already been con-. tributed ; and among the subscribers are the following gentlemen for the princely donations attached to their tespective names :—John North, D , q., £250; Thomas Bondi, Esq., £150; George Grant, Esq., £lOO, &c., &c. SPECIAL GENERAL VESTRY. IMPORTANT PROCEEDINGS ON THE WATER QUESTION. Yesterday an adjourned General Vestry of the inhabitants was held for the purpose of receiving the report of the Commit tee appointed on the 15th of September last, on the subject of water supply. The meeting was convened to take place in the Church of St. Nicholas, but as will be seen it was subsequently adjourned to the Sessions' House. Amongst those present we noticed Messrs. Rushton, Earle, Jeffery, Haigh, Picton, Den ton, Smith, Brown, Dr. Collins, &c. E. P. Macknight, E , q., was called upon to preside. In open ing the proceedings of the meeting' the Chairman said it was necessary to state that the melancholy cause of his taking the chair was contained in the following note:— " Wednesday, at my Brother's house, 8 o'clock, a.m. "MY DEAR SlR,—Having been all night with my dear Bro ther Harry, and being obliged to remain with him in his antici, gated last moments, I trust you will make a suitable excuse for my absence (to the committee), as I am tired and in grief, and cannot now give my mind to other subjects. " Believe me, dear Sir, yours, faithfully, " R. HARBORD." Mr. LOWNDES having read the advertisement calling the meeting, Mr. HAIGH rose, and moved that the vestry do adjourn to the Session's House. . This motion having been unanimously carried, the meeting did so adjourn. Mr. Elmer, Vestry-clerk, then read the report from the Paro chial Committee, which appeared in our advertising columns. Mr. J. R. JEFFREY rose, and was received with applause. He said—Mr. Chairman and Gentlemen, you have heard the report of the committee read, and it now becomes my duty to move that it be received. When this vestry was first sum moned, I hoped that my duty would have ended in the utter ance of the few words which would be necessary in simply movine. that the report be received—as the committee preferred that the facts themselves, as set forth in that report, should go to the , public, front which they could draw their own deductions and inferences, and form their own conclu sions. (Hear, hear.) Unfortunately it becomes my duty to make reference to a proceeding which has taken place elsewhere upon a report based on the same facts as our own; unfortunately, that report wits not confined to a mere statement of facts, but embodied opinions atordeduc dons from the facts. (Hear.) The report to which I refer was set forth as being the substance of an arrangement entered into between your committee and the special water committee of the Town Council. A copy of it was not received by your committee until Monday, at half past twelve o'clock, an hour and a half after the Council had assembled for its dis cussion. (Hear, hear.) By an accident your law-clerk saw the 'particulars of it in the public prints. As your legal protector he felt it his duty (I should say that he did not see it till the 'after part of Saturday) to write to the Town-clerk, protesting on our account against that document being received as the arrangement entered into between the two committees. The motive of our solicitors has been misunderstood ; they wished to convey that three months was not a sufficient time for the suspension of the contracts, but that irt their opinion at least six months would lie necessary to carry out the desired abject of the vestry ; and if the Council adopted so short a time as three months, a large amount of money would have to he paid for the accommodation, and the time might expire before we had fairly commenced operations ; and thus the labour which we should have dev ted, the money necessarily spent, would both have been gone in vain. (Hear, hear, hear.) At the termination of the time, they were anxiousthat we should not be so circumstanced that the Council, or the legal adviser of the Council, should say to you, " gentle • men, you have had the time which you wanted; if you have not done the work we cannot help it, the contracts must go on, the saheme proceed, and you must pay for it." (Hear, hear.) I say it was the especial desire of your law-clerk to see that we were not placed in such a position; hence the duty he felt called upon to perform was a painful one, that of sending in the protest against the report being received as your committee's (Hear.) Now I can make every allowance for irregularities in an office like the Town-clerk's. I am wishful to make allow ance for such irregularities as must necessarily arise where a vast amount of business has to be transacted: but in a case like the present, I cannot find any excuse for that gentleman not performing what I would say was an act of courtesy to the legal adviser to your committee, in not sending him a copy of report, that he might hat e had our sanction to it, and thus the coursewouldhavebeenperfectlyclearthat the Council would have been in no difficulty on Monday last. I regret very much that there is a Council meeting to-day. I was glad when I saw our meeting announced for to-day, because the Council meeting, as originally arranged, was to have been held yesterday; and then such gentlemen as are members of the Council, who take a great interest in the question, would have had the opportunity of being present here, and rebutting, if they could, what may be stated by_ any of the speakers who may feel it their duty to comment upon the observations which some members of the Council thought proper to make on Monday last. (Hear.) Sir, the mayor stated in his place in Council, that " the better course to pursue would he to go on with the arrangements, and act in good faith on behalf of the Water Committee. Go on with their recommendation to the Council, without reference to what had occurred there, and let the blame rest where it should properly fall, and not on the Council." • Now, sir, i concur in those sentiments of the mayor. I say, let the blame rest where it should fall, and not upon your committee. (Loud applause) Gentlemen, we are placed in a very painful position. The report was presented to the Town Council ex parte. It was deliberated upon, and gen tlemen ventured to g ir e their opinions on that report as though it had been mutually agreed upon by both parties, but after wards repudiated by us. Now, I wish to call your attention par ticularly to that circumstance if you please. Ido not believe that the gentlemen who are reported here to have been so severe in their observations would have been so, had it occur ed to them, for a moment, that we were not parties to that arrange ment. (Applause.) You see the importance afone false step ; and that false step was unfortunately taken by the legal adviser of those gentlemen themselves • and it is one for which we must not, cannot, will not, he held responsible. (Loud cheering.) Mr. George Holt, who i , the chairman of the special water committee, is reported to have said,—" The principle on which they resolved, as the only one on which there was any chance of settling this question, was that of arbitration. Both parties were distinctly agreed, and if they would only keep to terms, and adhere strictly to them, there would be every disposition on the part of the special committee to meet the parochial committee in all its details." Now, I defy Mr. George Holt, nr any other gentleman, to say that your committee hes deviated in the least from the terms ag reed to. (Applause.) Mr. George lioit - was present at every nterytew ; tie was a party to the winding up of the- whole affair; and I think lie cannot have read the report before he put his name to it, else he would have seen that it contained other sentiments than those which we agreed should be put down as the bases of the arrangement. Further on, he said—" The committee believed everythine had been done which could he done in the testing of the wells. All the evidence, from Jones, the well sinker, to the president of the Geological Society, was against the proba bility of a supply being raised at home." Excuse me, gentle men, if my remarks slightly diverge from consecutive order, as I think it will be better to dispose of the points as they arise. I have information, gentlemen, that daily, every 24 hours, in the neighbourhood of Si. Helens' no less than from eight to ten million gallons of water are pumped out from the mines to keep them free from water, which is poured into the canal, run into the Mersey, and is wasted. (Hear and applause.) Now this Mr. Jones, the well-sinker, is referred to at every whip and turn ; but I believe that there are gentlemen present who can tell you that he used expressions on his deathbed on the subject of our local supply very contrary to the opinions which have been ascribed to him. Mr. George Holt also refers, —and really, sir, I am sorry to have to criticise the speech of a 1 gentleman who stands so deservedly high as Mr. Holt does as a townsman ; I feel myself in most unpleasant circumstances in having to comment as I am obliged to do on his remarks, in , protection to your committee, and in justice to the public at large, that the y . may be fully informed on the facts ; but public duty requires that this should be done. (Hear, bear, and applause.) He is reported to have said, "Ott the 15th they bad agreed on every point except as to the suspension or otherwise of the contracts, and they ctimmutuicated to the Parochial Committee that they were desirous of receiving from them the necessary agreement for a formal ratification, but to his great surprise, when he considered every thing satisfac torily arranged and concluded, except as to the suspension of the castings—and they were determined to carry out that faithfully and fully—during the progress of this negociation he saw this advertisement in the Mercury :—" The Parochial Water Committee, appointed by the late Special General Vestry, to adopt measures for putting a stop to the costly pro ject of water supply, known by the name of the Pike scheme, beg to apprise the rate-payers at large, that hitherto, although ail diligence has been used, preliminary proceedings only have been taken, and that no one conclusive step has been definitely agreed upon." Now ,gentlemen, you will see the great disparity between Mr. George Molt's statement and the statement of the chairman of your committee. The advertisement proceeds : " And they feel it to be their duty, further and emphatically to declare their conviction, that the question whether any ar rangement can lie effected at all for staying the scheme, and thereby protecting the ratepayers from an enormous expendi ture, and from still more serious liabilities, will entirely de pend upon the election of decided opponents of the scheme as members of the Town Council, on the Ist November neat.— Signe - t in and on behalf of the committee, in pursuance of an unanimous resolution.—RlCHAßD HA 111101 to, CilUlVl.WnEdtql of Liverpool. Gentlemen, time has shewn you whether the chairman of your committee or the chairman of the committee of the Town Council was correct at the time. This advt.? tise ment was issued, because there were certain publications set forth by a gentleman who was a candidate for a seat in the Town Council opposed to our views, and therefore an advocate of the Pike, stating positively and absolutely that the question wes a settled question, arid therefore so far as his qualifications were concerned, it could not be held in the least to his pre judice. Seeing this, I say it was our dirty to communicate to you the fact that we as a committee were still contending w ith the other committee—that we were in the heat of the battle—that we were contesting the matter step by step, inch by inch, with the committee of the Town Council. (Applause.) And labo rious were the duties—great time vnluable time devoted on both sides necessarily, to this important q uestion, which is of snch a magnitude as to involve a very ser ious sum of money, I'm afraid to trust myself to name the amount : or t should say two millions sterling. (Hear ) I believe that, before we get out of it, the figures will add up to somethinglike that sum. M r. George Holt is further reported to have said,—" hatever difficulties they might hsve had, end however deficient he was as a diplomatist, he could assure the Council the committee never Entertained any feeling but that of securing peace,—(hear,)— and to be met, as they now were met, by a protest against that which was agreed to the other day, rendered airy attempt to settle the matter hopeless. '1 hey were willing to sacrifice their own ft clings, but when they found parties breaking from their engauerro nts. in this way, what were they to do. If they were met in such a manner as this in public matters they could never give satisfaction." Now, gentlemen, these observations naturally an use the ire of any inan who possesses as honourable mind, and an honest determination. (Loud applause.) On be half of myself, and of those gentlemen with whom I have had the pleasure of acting, I beg to say that we never had any but an honest determination to bring the question to an mierible set dement, if possible; to procure peace for the town ef Liverpool as far as practicable. (Applause.) But we are here charged with breaking through our agreement. Again, is that observation based upon the unfr rtunate neglect of the Town-clerk, and I declare that I bad half made up toy mind to I,e very severe on him. After the difficulties wi icb we have Lad with the special water committer of the Council—after the difficulty which we had to toter a ono-sting some points with the tnediatot•s—diflictilty out both hands, from all sources, it is ost annoying to find the Town-clerk playing so high a game at the last moment, us to send in a report which had never been sanctioned by us. to that Council ; as it were, tacitly tls ing rs to rr ti ;at we might beat him ; hut not sac! dicing at IP it Vi: !P, 1 :; , ,.,. rat we wereritTht, we played the highest game Ail 1 , 11i;1 :i• f r ayed, prevented the public being imposed upon, and ma nothied our integrity. I urn happy to say that I have now concluded the comments which 1 meant to make on Mr. liott's observations. I come now to a gentleman who at: of a as high in Liverpool as Mr. Holt,-1 refer to Mr. Geo. Hall Lawrence. He is reported to have said, "Wien he found from the letter of Messrs. Avison tied Pritt, that all the proceedings were repudiated." Gentle men that is a very severe word ; I have a right to feel ill " Repudiated ;" by whom repudiated? Not by your commit tee; I deny the imputation, and all of a similar character given utterance to in the Council, on Monday last, and throw it back to the gentleman with contempt. (Loud cheering ) "Many of the stipulations and conditions in the report he had brought his mind to consent to with great reluctance; and he thought there was great rink in going to a reference at all on the matter, atter what had taken place." Gentlemen, that reference was not the proposition which we submitted ; we assented to it with great reluctance; we had a very warm and animated dis cussion in our committee upon it. Are thought that a refe rence to engineers was quite unnecessary; we thought that - we might nominate, as you have heard in the report; three gentle. men of the Council, and three gentlemen not in the Counted, but connected with the borough, who might sit upon the matter, and hear the facts addirced. (Applause.) But that special Water Committee, of which Mr. Lawrence was a member, made it a site qua non that it should be submitted to the arbitration of engineers (Hear. hear, 'hear.) Mr. Lawrence further on only does Mr. Churchwarden Harbord and myself Justice when he says: When be looked' Good Gin Best London and Bristol Whiskey l6/0 Gin 12/6 Ditto Glenlivat and Islay .1116 Jamaica Rum 14/0 Irish Malt 1 6 / 3 Best Old Jamaica Ditto .. 16/0 „ „ Cognac Brandy 24/0 Irish Whiskey lO/6 Pale Ditto Ditto... . 24/ 3 I „ Good Malt Whiskey 14/0 „ Scheidam Hollands.24/0 WINES. Good Port - - Per Doz. Qfs. Doz. Pis. 28/0 14/0 Fine Old Port 36/0 18/0 Crusted 4O/0 20/0 Good Dinner Sherry Fine Old Sherry Best Old Pale Sherry CHAMPAGNE, CLARET. MADEIRA, .5-e. BRITISH WINES. Ginger, Raspberry, Raisin, Cowslip, Orange, } 15/0 per Dozen, Gooseberry, and Black Currant ALE AND PORTER, I N BOTTLE. Per Doz. Pie. Doz. Qts. Alloa Bitter Peer* • _ 2/10 Drogheda Ale Burton Ale .. East India Pale Ale 6 Burton Bitter Ale F/0 Edinbur,b strong Ale 4/ -, - • 0 7/0 Dublin XX Porter 2/9 ' 4/6 London Brown Stout 2/9 4/6 Best London Double Stout (recom mended for invalids) 3/6 6/,) Bottles must be given in exchange, or paid for on delivery. The same amount allowid for ishen - returned. TERMS, CASH, AT TIME OF ORDERING, OR ON DELIVERY, * A light Dinner Beverage, medically recommended FURNI7'URE, VALUABLE PAINTINGS, DRAWINGS, BIGHT DAY CLOCK, CHIMNEY-GLASS, OFFICE DESKS, HOGSHEAD AND QUARTER-CASKS PORT AND SHERRY WINE, FRENCH BRANDY, RUM, WHISKEY, STORE CASKS, 4-c., .5-c., HILL'S GENE RAL EXC HAN GE, 39, PARADISE-STREET. By Mr. HILL, . _ On MONDAY next, the sth, and TUESDAY, the 6th November instant, at Eleven o'clock each day, at his tieneral Exchange, 39, Paradise-street, _ _ EXCELLE T Modern, Genteel, and Useful HOUSEHOLD FURNITURE, capital Eight-day Clock, in Mahogany Case, valuable Paintings, Drawings, &c., Chim ney Glass, Guns, China, Glass, and other valuable Effects; Silver Tankard, Gold and Silver Watches, &c., set of Mahogany Chairs, Sofas, Loo, Dining, Pembroke, Card, Snap, and other Tables, Rosewood Loo Table, Brussels and Kidderminster Car pets, Bronze Steel Spear Cast and other Fenders, Fire Irons, Painted Range of Bookshelves, Pictures, Ornaments, Cut Glass, Books, Lounging and Rocking Chairs, Lobby Cloth, Stair Carpets, capital Fight-day Clock, Four-post, Camp, French, and Half-tester Bedsteads, Mattresses, prime Feather Beds, Bedding, Manogany Wardrobes, Chests of Drawers, Commodes, Dressing Tables, Washstands, Toilet Glasses, Cane and Painted Chairs, Kitchen Furniture, Utensils, large Beam, Hogshead Hams, Two Casks Beef. To be SOLD on TUESDAY, the fith instant, at Eleven o'clock Spirits, Wines, &c., &c., in bond and duty-paid. 10 Hogsheads superior PORT and SHERRY, 4 Quarter-Casks BRANDY, 6 Puncheons and Quarter Casks RUM, 2 Casks GRAIN and MALT WHISKEY, And sundry other Spirits in Bottles, &c. To be viewed on the Morning of Sale. For further particulars apply to Mr. HILL, 39, Paradise street. TO CORRESPONDENTS. Dr. llyrth was instituted to Wallasey in 1834. The income of the rector is only .€470. Mr. Collis wishes us to say, that it is with the radical electors of Pitt-street Ward. and not St. Peter's, he feels so happy. He adds, that it will cause him to be laughed at, to id ntify him so familiarly with the latter class; though we must con fess that we do not see the reason why more so than with the former. Our worthy friend should remember that, in either position, the old proverb is not likely to be falsified, Evil communications corrupt good manners." Eig Eiberpool gptanbarb. at such men as Mr. Jeffery and Mr. Ilarbord, who had been. acting on the occasion of the negotiation, he could not believe they were parties to repudiate the agreement which their legal advisers had undertaken to make on: their behalf." 1 have stated to you before, and I repeat again, that neither Mr. Her bord, myself, nor any member of our committee does or has repudiated that agreement. (Hear,. hear.) It has been submit ted to you in its integrity, and that agreement I have now the pleasure of moving that you should-receive. (Applause.) Now, gentlemen, I have a few words to say in reference to one whom I believe will be the last I shall have occasion to refer to ; and although last not least in the scale of estimation,—l mean Mr. Hugh Hornby. 'AI r. Hornby said, " For those reasons, and after having read the read the letter of Messrs. Avison and Pritt, and understood that the Parochial Committee were not prepared to agree to any arrangement, which, he ventured to say, every member of the Special 'Committee imagined was to be carried on with good faith on both sides, he was not pre pared to agree to the report." You see the same statement is made still ; I fee I pained to go on, but it is my duty to go on. He stated that there were many points in the report which he had agreed to with great reluctance. I certainly should think that he would not be prepared to agree to that report, when he had agreed with us in another report. (Applause.) He surely could not, as a faithful negociator, agree to that report—he could not agree to a report which was not a faithful representa tion of that which had been agreed to between us. (Applause.) Now, gentlemen, there lies the difference. The Town Coun cil's report is b-fore you. In our report, we venture to give no opinion wha, ever, but state facts seriatim, and allow you to draw your inference. I ask ifour solieitorswere wrong in sending that protest into the Council, why have not the special Water Committee, the pro-Pike advocates. not applied to he media tors, Messrs. Rushton, Gladstone, and Bold, for a certificate to say that the report was all right. (Hear, hear.) If they were wrong, would they not have applied to those gentlemen ; and we should have seen the town placarded over with their names appended to a statement that the report was a fair reflex of the agreement come to. (Hear, hear,) We should in that case have been in an unfortunate position, but we were strong in our facts, strone in the position that we assumed, and stronger still in our honesty of purpose. (Hear.) Hence it was that we took so bold a step as to send in that protesting letter. I have no doubt that it fell like a bomb-shell in the midst of the Council, when it was met to consider that report. (Laughter and app7ause.) Who called those mediators into existence, gentlemen ? Your committee. Why? Because the door was closed for any further negotiation by the special water com mittee of the Council against the committee you appointed at the last Vesto . Reference is made to it in the report, and I will read it, if you please. Mr. Jeffrey here read the resolution of the special water committee, regretting, that in consequence of their first proposals being declined, - the controversy could not be settled in an amicable manner. HP said,—We thou ;ht, therefore, that they had closed the door against any further ne gotiation. We felt, I say, am reminded, sir, that we were not the first to call in the services of the mediators ; we do not wish to take more credit than belongs to us) that the door was closed by the Special Water Committee of the Coun cil, and it became a question hew it could again be opened, as we were very anxious to carry out the purposes for which we were appointed. We therefore requested a conference with those gentlemen who had memorialised the Council, and requested them to see the Water Committee on the subject, to endeavour to bring the question to an ami cable conclusion. We received several gentlemen who had signed that memorial, when it was arranged that Messrs. Rushton, Gladstone, and Bold should be the mediators, and by this means opened again the negociation. Does this bear out the charge that we were not acting in good faith— (hear, and applause)—and had every desire to bring about a peaceful and satisfactory result. Our propositions will show whether we have not manifested that in every respect. Did we not, when we went in a deputation to confer with that com mittee, having been told that the great difficulty and first stumbling block was dealing with the contractors, and grea difficulties were pointed out, did we not boldly say—gen tlemen, let us attempt that task, let us see if we can make better terms than you say you have been able to do, and it was at our request that Mr. Newlands, their servant, and Mr. Haigh, a member of our committee, were appointed to go to Glasgow to negotiate with the contractors, and see if that difficulty could not be set aside. (Hear, and applause.) Their report, gentlemen, has been before you ; and I ask does this justify the charge of a want of sincerity brought against us? I leave you to answer the question, wh,ther all these exertions on our part, these efforts, these strenuous efforts, will justify such a conclusion in the mind of any disinterested man. (Hear, hear, and applause.) We have been sincere, gentlemen, and our object was peace ; hut, however desirable peace might be, we declined to buy it at the cost of a principle. (Loud cheers.) We, as a committee, have endeavoured to discharge our dutt honestly, faithfully, and zealously ; and in the resolution come to at the Council's last sitting, on Monday last, they have decided that this question shall be settled by the new Council. It is our duty now to call upon you as elec tors to-morrow to do your duty I (Mr. Jeffrey sat down amidst loud and protracted applause.) , Mr. J. ATKINSON, in seconding the motion of Mr. Jeffrey, said that he had nothiog to add to the able, clear, and lucid speech which they had just heard. It embraced the whole of his opinions and views on this important subject, and therefore it was with feelings of pleasure that he seconded tha motion.—(Applause.) The Chairman was about to put the motion from the chair, whrn Mr. WILLIAM BROWN (overseer) rose and said, that he had. an amendment to propose. He objected to the whole of the report being receiyed, as the report of the committee. He was a member of that committee, and he had attended carefully to its proceedings. was prepared to show in what manner that committee had condueted the business intrusted to them, , which to his mind had been conducted in a must nnsatisfactory manner. He should move an amendment to the effect that only so much of the report as related to the proceedings of the committee, anterior to the mediation of Messrs. Rushton, Gladstone, and Bold, with the addition of Messrs. Haigh and Newland's report be adopted. He did so, because all the reso utions passed since that time were in accordance with a resolu tion said to have been passed at that time, but he was prepared to show never had been put to the meeting. At the meeting on the 16th of October, he attended, as he was suspicious that there was a disposition on the part of the the Committee to throw overboard the only men in whom the public had confidence. (No, no.) At that meeting he threw out a suggestion about the engineers. Mr. Dover threw out another, and Mr. Rushton said that the appointment of engi neers should form the basis of any future negociation which they might have with the Town Council. He (Mr. Brown) asked distinctly if the matter of the engineers was to be kept an open question, and he was answered that it was. Having some other business to attend to, he and another gentleman then Irt'tthe-room or. thgvt.,,,-.4-cro,-....-6;1, 6 . IS-6 the ncnt both attended, being then prepared to move a definite resolu tion on that question ; but, to their astonishment, they were informed that a resolution on that subject had been passed at the last meeting of the Committee. To this he replied that such a resolution had not been passed. Mr. Dover said i. was; and if the discussion of that question was again allowed, he would leave the room. The chairman said he would vacate the chair, and under these circumstances we retires', and penned a protest to the resolution which was alleged to have been passed. He. would now call upon Mr. Hart to produce that resolution— he meant the original document—and if the Chairman would read the words which were on the margin, it would prove what he stated to be true. The document was here pro duced, and the marginal note was read as follows :—" Opi nions suspended until the contracts are disposed of." He contended that the note just read confirmed his assertion. Prom the position which had been as sumed by the committee, the majority of its members thought fit to deviate ; and they hid telt the difficulties into which such a step had placed them ; they were obliged after-, wards to swallow resolutions which they had previously made, in order that they might not appear ridiculous and inconsistent before the publit. In consequence of this step they had been forced to place the matter in the hands of men who could not possibly know a single fact about the subject. On the 25th of October they came to a certain lot of resolutions, upon which they pledged themselves to take their stand, L'•: subsequently they had been obliged to swallow them—(no, no)—for these re solutionswere deliberately agreed to, and afterwiadswithdrawn. He would ask if a candnittee appointed for the purpose which this committee had been appointed for should have permitted such a resolution as that appointing the engineers to be on their books? (Yes, yes.) ;: e could tell them that the special committee of the Council had nominated an engineer who was well known to favour their own views —(hear, hear)—rind he knew that the committee of the parish—he spoke advisedly when he said so—would take care that their man agreed with them in opinion. (Hear, hear, and laughter) The fact was, that one man would stand out as long as he could ; his oppo nent would stand out as lone as he could also; an umpire would be appointed, and the result would be they might just as well toss up for it. - (I..auchter.) Would they allow themselves to be tied down to a set of engineers? If the specialcoromittee of the Council were sincere in their professions fur settling this question, let them give power to wake the necessary borings; if they did so, 11w water springing up under their feet would be an answer to the whole question. (Cheers.) If they made the necessary borings the water, if there, would come up ; if not there, why there was an end of the whole controversy. They had been humbugged enough by engineers; they had suffered enough from their quackery. (Hear, hear.) He told them plainly that if all the engineers in the universe were to tell him that there was not plenty of water in the red sandstone he would not believe them. (Hear.) They did not want opinions ; they had the fact before them ; let them test the extent of their supply, which he believed could be done cheaper than they could obtain the opinion. (Hear, hear.) He complained that the committee having once made its propositions to the Council did not take their stand upon their propositions, and st,nd or fall by ths.m. (Hear.) Why did they not take their injunction, and restrain the Council from proceeding till after the approaching election? On that subject he warned them now to vote for no man who would not pledge himself against the Pike scheme.—(Loud cheers.) The special com mittee of the Council, be believed, never would have gone with them at all were it not to deceive them. They were deter mined to bring men to test the wells, whose interest it would he not to find any water; they were going to put the whole question into the hands of men who would sell them. He spoke thus strongly because be felt that be had been deceived and be trayed on this subject.—(No, no.) Mr. Brown concluded by moving his amendment, which, with other resolutions, will be found in our advertising columns. The CHAIRMAN said that it was quite unusual to reject merely a part of a report, they should either have the whole or none of it. Mr. JEFFREY said that his motion was merely that the re port be received. If they rejected the report, they Eouid be shutting their ears againstall information. They did not ask the meeting to confirm their report,—to accept it or to act upon it ; they only gave the meeting all the information which they could upon this subject. (:seer, hear ) After a few words from Mr. Brown and Mr. Lowndes, Dr. CoLetiss rote to second the amendment. tie commenced by saying that he was always afraid when he saw lawyers in the way that they would not get much common sense. (Laughter.) He came there without any intention whatever of speaking; but when he had heard the melancholy intelligence which had been communicated to them, namely, the illness of a gentleman' to whom the town was deeply indebted for his manly vigorous and unflinching conduct, (loud. applause,) he was induced to come forward and perform his duty to the public. He fully concurred in the sentiments expressed by lkir. brown. He had cautioned the Committee at the outset to beware of the Water Committee ; to watch them nar. owl , . The committee of the parish were appointed fur the purpose of testing the wells and prosecuting the injunction, but instead of doing that they had entered into negotiations which had thrown them into embar rassments of the most serious kind. When Mr. Haigh returned from Glasgow a resolution was sent to the Tnwn Council .stat ing that the abandonment of the contracts should be made a sine qua non before another step was taken. At the same time a deputation. consisting of Me firs. Jeffery, Haigh, and others, were deputed to confer with the special committee, but so c..va. Belly hit they been treated that wilen he saw them they were in a slate c f great excitement—" di .race ui corm' uet," " i gulf i me" " not to be borne with," and seeL ploisses being their stork of eloquence. In fact he was apprehensive hat the negotiations would terminate with pistols and coffee in the morning.— (Roars of laughter.) Their blood was up, sir; they had been ill-treated and they would retaliate.. (Leughter.) In the beat of their fury they pressed the resolutions of the eilth of Oct., which had so nearly broken off all further negotiations. Up to that time the resolution of the 10th -had been thrown over. After that however they abandoned the resolution aflhe •25tb, and again a '.opted that one of-the 10th, by which an eminent engineer was to be appointed. He had lived long enough to find out that when men wanted to humbug you some -pomp ous high-sounding title was thrown ix. Eminent engineers indeed. (Laughter-) net meant some needy, greedy fellow who had friends at court; who wanted a job, and who knew on which side his bread was buttered. (Cheers, and loud laughter.) Well, then, on the 25th they had a meeting in the Magistrates'-room, after which the resolutions which had been come to in the morning were abandoned, all insults were for gotten, and everything made smooth again. And he most. ob serve that, in discussing the matter, that day, Mr. Ruiliton had been pleased to pay him a bit of a compliment, by saying that he was the only one of the whole committee who took a common-sense view of the subject. (Loud laughter.) . [Here Mr. Rushton ' who was standing at the back of the chairthan, shook his head in a style which betokened anything but a con firmation of the doctor's self-laudation, whilst the whole meet ing, including our worthy magistrate, himself, were convulsed with laughter. The scene was rich in the extreme.] •He knew that Mr. Jeffery and Mr. Harbord winced under the castigation v ' for inconsistency which Mr. Rushton inflicted uPP n tbei , 5 [Here Mr. Rushton again shook his head most otning e aor' motion which the meeting enjoyed N - ery much, whilst . .lefet tor proceeded.] The meeting was broken up by 3 11. • who- ' ieeting Mr. JEPFRICY:—I rise to a .point of order ; the rm. not Dr. Cown broken up s.—Off they want in a hurry. I followea , co(1!(i . thee t down a lane or two. (Laughter.) I did not know wh g, littlelittlebe up, or where I was going; but.still I followed oni'l;egee - dog who follows' his master by instinct, so I followed T o (re' tlemen, just wishing to find out what could be in the et 4isoil' s newed laughter), and so I followed till they came to Mr. cha, m sa office; and there Mr. Jeffrey constituted himself the and rescinded the resolutions which th e y had agreed tori_l:o!e. morning. (Loud laughter.) The r e th e y ag reed to the r be en tion of the 10th. He next complained that he never appointed on one of the sub-committees into which chial committee had been subdivided. If they aPPn inte r tale nt engineers to report on this ouestion—of course men °to tote and eminence, which just meant men who knew how ... . t bef Care of themselves, and all that humbugging sort of thin ;t, t hat would have a swarm of Irish and Scotch engineers to ort which should be given to their own townsmen. (No, no -) re to b e , was, that they were going to appoint two men who w% out P engaged like fighting-cocks, and who were to fight , `, 09; nP long as they could stand , . and afterwards they were t° ll that for the chance of becoming an umpire.—(Laughter.) tliey required was to get men of their own choosing; we ft'. l e would sink wells, and the water would speak for choosing;, v olt bring eminent engineers here indeed,—.hey migh t a (0 1 bring a Newmarket jockey to ride a donkey race• — , e i, laughter.) He had prepared a report of his own, 1, "" 1 „,01) 't we's would read for them, arid he ventured to say that I c ool nearer the facts than what they had just heard font t he mittee. It was as follows : • neri ' A Report drawn up by Dr. Collins for the Parish:o la Lir , - '4' Vest- 0, tilhaecirtbartree - - iverpool in Vestry, wictober 31st, 1849, and subni,r em bet, the Parochial Committee for adoption.on the VA 1849, without success, with a few verbal alterations% stio Mr. Chairman and gentlemen,—We have been yen' `, ) ,,,fote , playing the game of your opponents since we met here, w ore at your expense, and we confess we are now in a mucasrettia position to carry out your wishes and instructions rid of the Pike scheme with itsenormous liabilities and .1" yi steil than we were at the time of our n om i nat i on by you, to t he over your interests, and that we h ave b een h o oked in le t r ',, to clever manceuvering of the mediat ors an d t h e Town-c, , weer concessions which, if carried out in th e f u ll s pirit an. ing of what is said to have been agreed to betwee'veen Committee and the Special Water Committee of the hlge Council will lay the foundation o f ano th er en ormous n eeo! job, under the name of an a r bit ra ti on o f em i nen t Nig' to or in other words, for such a s h ave friends R 6 14 0.1 get a job for them at your ex p ence , an d t o throw w ell• overboard who deserve it for having served you toO doy to By this agreement, which you are here assembled t n- nlot e confirm or reject, we have authorised the apoointmer t t o ff; eminent engineers —as the phrase goes—arbitrators, gni or e in to our locality, and who have never been employed beadho examining our local wells, on the matters in dispute, !I - 0.0 00 of course, are the best judges, because they are most,',,,,,itel!' on these wants of the town, to go to Ba'a, Bevington. " 1 ":" I melr or any other place they think tit to look for water, with eels , staff of workmen, clerks, (on salary,) engineers, sub-en , -' o the r ( and other assistants. and with attorneys, barristers , an d wit° sorts of lawyers. to ' keep them right, and within the sr_ c oo• their instructions, with thei r d emurrers, p l eas, me etin7e. a nd sultations, &c., &c., to have all a pull out of your pocliel s ,: c ote when they shall have, after fi ve or s i x mont h s o f w auton., b the of the public money, decided wh e th er we are to go 0 00, Rivington scheme, or to go elsewh ere f or t h e water , their tw' Avo is to be final, and you shall not have a voice in the questl . to we have, moreover, also agreed, as y our represen t a move the injunction and all other legal impediments in of raising the funds to pay f o r a ll thi s , an d f or t h e con o sl and the other liabilities incurred by the Pike scheme. %core other subsequent expenses, and to apply to Parliamen t " e , junction with your friend the Town-cl er k, f or thi s purcl.%, " But what frets us more tha n a ll thi s, i s t h at we IVolOrli done one single thing for which you appointed us, nn. al to was to try and test the loc a l ca p a bili ty o f supplying 100. to , the town under an engine er , or eng i neers, o f our o wn ob' meat; to give notices of intentio n t o a lt er an d amend t the noxious Pike Act of 1847. and abo ve a ll t o ta k e care h ),R for Corporation Estate be not pawned t o ra i se mone y to P:410 0 the misdoings of others, for contracts with which you ba l l e i Or nothing to do, and about which y ou were never cons° t oll thought worthy of notice, until th e y wan t e d your Mond for them. tlef " Seeing now our error, and wishi ng t o fi n d soloed to - loop-hole to creep out from our folly, in having agree. ago thii, and in deviating from the strict duties of our iipPo i """ ore h ./a , by you, and promising, if you give us another trial, to ",`, o o` careful again in acting on the exclusive evidence and jur d. t sel of one or two in the com m itt ee , w h o h ave le d us i"t° r i ot errors, we strongly recommend to you to reject the re , 1 1 )49 010 our agreement with the s p ec i a l water comm i ttee , an esoar enable us to retreat without disgrace and defeat, and to r o sy", mence a new campaign with a b e tt er organ i zat i on , folln i btls the experience of the past, and th e d anger o f d ca l g ing expert and skilful tacticians of the Toren-hall in such In", tll e Hoping you will do this,.we re ma i n , we are sorr y to se" DOPES OF ABLER HEAD!? ' grrf fr° "THE MEMBERS OF THE PAROCHIAL CO I I-;; Appointed by the Vestry, 13th S e pt. 1849; °, This report was read amidst loud laugher , awe cr ies " capital, doctor " The speaker continued to adjure the er r!' ing to do nil in their power to prevent the appointmen t 'rs alt h neers, who would only mystify and p uzz l e t h e ra t, „a „ their statistics of such nonsense. If t h e y rea lly w"!'iistie 7 puzzle and bewilder a man take him to low; tables of "'olo' cunningly got up, and they would soon knock tne "wale' sense out of him. (Roars of laughter, in the midst of Dr. After Collins resumed his seat.) a few words from Mr.Gaeame, in reply to Mr Mr. J. A. PmeroN, architect, next rose, and was recei% cheers. He said,—Gentlemen, when sitting here li , "'os, the statements and counter stateme n t s w hi c h h a ve he e ,. e aeel; to the meeting this.morning, I could no t h e l p interitallY ing and saying to myself, "Who would bee courinittse l " oft" the public se: vice, when we find that this comm ittee , st • spending days upon days, I might s a y wee k s u pon wee"' s 0- std id ar time since they were appointed, ( an d man y a rix ions II" in tll' sleepless nights have been spent, I c an assure you. sir' i t ' j 1 case, for the benefit of the parishi oners ) ; w h e n we 0_„,,0rl we on the one hand are charged by mem b ers of the " ot hee with repudiation, and on the othe r h an d charged r';'.,proP°r members of our own committee w ith a var i e ty of tire acts. (Applause.) I say, who would en t er , w ith the. 00' , pests, into the public service, i n ma tt ers o f t hi s 50r1,`,,, t , sir, I have more confidence in m y t ownsmen A BSPIBba - ,..--- ut ,, !him t. •1.1., t, 'Amu plain, simple, and unvarnished statement which has g . j of !ii t muted, they will not hold up their hands in stlPP%,r,o' ; ',", committee which they appointed. (Applause.) I ` o "'' 'arot f are the facts? This committee was appoi n ted, in the A nd stance, for the purpose, it was said, of testing the wel' e s ni * sent considering any other matters which might present to doe in the course of the inquiry, which wo u ld tend to Ole' teg clear up this mucn-vexed and tangled question, and uP; Or t to,„ inquiries and the information obtained we were to re, 0 0.7 ( subsequent meeting of the general vestry. They low 004, the first instance, to test the wells, bat there w ies „,terts", matter which they considered it their duty to 6 _," e tion e g , although it was not included in their written inst,'" (Ile t , that was to get the. Rivington Pike works stopee" g i,„„ hear, and applause ) It was clear to your coin'!" - ,;tit'b e ti e unless that was done, nothing could be accol i 1 : : 1,1 ito i i, (Loud cries of " Hear, hear.") supposing we corolpe under the strict letter of instructions given to us as a s sed.o tee, that we had proceeded to test the wells, and hare ~r s tS,J Council to give us powers to test the supply; the at a'e ll o gi would have extended itself month a fter mon th, and w have been the result in six months 7 The casling, ~.. ih 110( would have been going on, at an accelerated wen ( ""iSchi; o ( and at the end of that time it would be said, "Tile o xn ens' u e done, the pipes are cast, the town has incurred an e , - e ' it t S ° o , .4'175,000 (hear, hear), sow what do we care a r. a°,o testing, the Rivington scheme must go on.—(Hear, 0 0 ,4 the committee saw this difficulty, and their first old et ois t v t i e. get the Rivington works stoppecl.—(App!ause.) Wi th wai t o s , we entered into a negociation with the special water co d o o lj a Mr. Brown and Dr. Collins say that we made it a sil. e d s o! t at that the Rivington works should be stopped. We "lia '` l ,o o when we went to the special Water committee, t equivalent do you offer us ; for what purposed° Yr",lat dot stop them. Those two i;etitlemen appear to think t. nothing to do but to buy harness, and go and test th i e ... „,ct the town to great expense. and just das we please ( ' oe e t ; of when, and where we pleased. There i s not a m an in but knows we hail no such power; that we coul' l .T.Li ` t the consent of the constituted authoritie s , the SPs`aflie „ ":yl Committee and the Common Council of the tclwth se r if' asked their permission to test the wells. w hal " 5 y, r e , e rr It was th's (and it was more than, it. the first i n gran•H, l of peered), "We azree to stop the castings, to si.isoell go d to tiona with regard to the Rivingten scheme ; b r u e raCe e o' men of the parochial water committee, er• you P, ef' abide by the result; supposing that the testing. pro‘ , , ( ]l o pe ency , are you prepared to withdraw all opposition-into a. ;°6 hear.) Well, could we expect the Council to en te , r ,hout_.,g,t 0 " sided bargain ? Shonld we have all our own waY to Ir - r sq, some equivalent? We entered into the nagotiatto" t iffsfe m elo end to those unseemly disputes and arrimonionstse iri ° , which have distracted the town, and done infinite i s i h irf o i w o - e , d to th a a p t p D oi r n . t c a ol t l r it i: s at h n i a m l s a e s if, j n lg n e v . ith A , to public credit and private concord—(applaus e co not:know of any better conclusion than when . afte rflos t ,ot o speech he had made, had approved of the apPoin ti re ' tlec,p g engineers. It must be evident to every inan who rfl a moment that the only effect which the p r opos it 5 t would have would be to bring the mat ter in a eel! , 0•0„ s es ell e shape before the council on the Ist of November. . 0 , 0 I: tl ) who would have to decide, and since the gentle"bantett, had the nomination of the council in their ow" ,„I matter rested with themselves. (Hear, hea r, n 3 coll'''.4 l `!, And now it was genet ally considered that, in B ;. bu tes , ' ) ittr‘ ot that were appointed, a majority was to goy. ien ! h „, eola ge ,'), decided upon was corsiderad to he the art of t ",' - ' 0 1o1" to, „f If nothing was to he warranted, approved of, an,"eree. t .a or g , what every member of any committee shout" ',:afr i c o r o t would like to know lif.w public business could be t f c ! o t . ed All the apparent opposition that day had arisen be og tlemen out of a committee of eiohteen, not 0 ,1 co t , to to be bound by the act of the majority. OJ- t tait t . f al; D al Mr. Rushton. he was sure, would hear him e it' . t . • of t co• bo e rnittee had endeavoured to obtain a suspenson st j . g o works, without being pledged to the reference?' War e jol" t• they could not obtain the consent of the Spern d I .,solu t pißr r e mittee. Mr. Picton afterwards stated, that the be etl_ i o which Messrs. Collins and Brown complained. h? T , ed after they had thought proper to take up the . ' j , ell o tio (0 1 tire. • Was public business to stand still Itecal"; e s pec' toi l e Itariariiientrhe I t ? -1 , 1 venient for them to stay ? (Lauuhter an"„ c In conclusion (Mr. Piston said), all he had to er ect the committee was, that they had acted in Pe . ' jb ,e e jt g' t° anti endeavoured to carry nut to the utmost Pose aiice business for which they hail been appointed. 44 fa' r gk i i! the explanat on which he hail done, he had WA' t sea lie s say than this, that as parishioners of Liverloo_? b ,ch.` ee tp!' deavoured to carry out the views and objects at heart , to the utmost of their power. 'I he themselves upon the meeting, confident of th•!! • ase tl!e t) had entered upon a disagreeable task, not to iti to oft w o. o but to release the town from the dilemma T, theY ' fallen, and to a considerable extent he though t successful. fur their opponents in the Counc il s 1 ,ie g,_ ef e e • altered and modified tone. (Loud applause-) We' t ear( was received with loud and reiterated burs ts _ tho Mr. RUSH I'ON here presented himself to th e of b o o 4 1 , „, , 0 , When silence was restored, he proceeded to say_l, t i l e r ti o s i c having been two or thre.• times mentioned dull," ts' e tt' e r their proceedings, he felt it incumbent upon„ md fo i few words in explanation of the part wlich." „ t ote this matter. Ile wished, ill tee., Dow that lus wie doi l l „ : o , 4 p , mentioned, to tell them how the whole as he was concerned, lanan and elided.... t" cheers ) Three weeks ago as he was pa?sine, V i m e met _Nils Robertson Gladstone. who solicite d Ft ia g o, strenuous and impressive manner to interfere,li•iotee., o ' ge t use Ids influence in a aim manner to put en e " .ec t le'. l „te t 4 a.le t ic dispute which was then goina• on with ris e i ll' question. He, in reply, said that it was 1 , 1 4. t,, s he, 11;;;! any settlement effected, inasmuch as both Pe i tas" t sio r, mil edly arrayed against each other h n j) , wa eg er, e o clot much they might interfere, the Prob a `'. would get their heads broken for their P'l c.t cries of no, no.) He however, sid thei i i, F!' . ` ce eider the matter Ile , saw that t h ey won d r if t , t o b .s e e l 'ol i to encounter ; that great trouble was to co c l e !, jho t moll y a and in every shape ; but he felt convin r c o,g greatest di ffi culties would - 'be- an a In i e '., e o to_ D el;'! peCuniary branch of the stibje V: l ; ye iT„e; f ever scheme was to be ear e ied out, the tie.; 4 Oa.' t o im 4 fi from the pockets of the ratepayers, an, , tro d e s et c it prejudiced against anything which !vigils burden of taxation. (Hear, hear) .We il l ft ' e Vestr I ' o /g ir t . ei n steeal 0 to 'tea • he then"asooit, dining a short • diring business of tlie — ciiurt, he wro te en gifi p .i y oe 0 i f in no way Mixed up ss ith this que.stion, to a eitP - to art and reasonable way of bringing the - matt m er_„ t _ fe se%, toVe, informing him that the appointment of a .. . 8 the , o_ lose not. however, contemplate the appoin t _ e ss " ja br, ot iet cl threee - erigitieeriVhe Merely wished; as " e a'';o1 1 ",00 the matter left to one who never had hee,l n ott!f,, c e up with the question, not because he shoul irg ur" the information to be obtained from