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I C M SSION EVEZING EDITION. MON UTH SPECIAL MONMOUTH, THURSDAY NIoaT. The interest of the trial of Mr. Frost continues en ' abated, and the Court is crowded to excess. Yesterday 1 one of the witnesses for the defence was apprehended. )and ex am i ne d b e f ore the Mayor for being concerned in the Newport riots ; but the evidence not being clear, the Mayor, in consideration of his being a witness, dis if cilarged him. Feargus O'Connor continues to attend I, daily, and has, I am i n f orme d, i ssue d a pl acar d t o th e 1 people at M er th yr T y d v il to announce t h a t h e w ill come to address them as a candidate. The London f police seem in no disfavour here, and keep the Court i remarkably well. TRIAL: OF MR. JOHN FROST.—Tnian DAY. The Judges took their seats upon the bench at five Iminutes past nine o'clock precisely. The prisoner Frost was at the same moment placed at the bar. Sir F. P o ll oc k, i n addr ess i ng t h e , B enc h , w i s h e d , he said, t o k now f rom th e i r L or d s hi ps if h i s cl i ent were not I now to be placed in the same situation as if the point that bad been made yesterday was decided in his favour ? Chief Justice Tindal said that the course was, where tilere was a point at all doubtful, or any difficulty oc curred, it was reserved for the decision of the Judges. Sir F. Pollock did not wish to be understood as ob jecting to that course generally, but the Attorney-Ge neral being then there, might, be thought, make a difference as to the course pursued. In the event of its being their Lordships' opinion that the objection ought to have prevailed at the trial, Mr. Frost was to be placed in the same situation as if it had prevailed at this moment. Chief Justice Tindal—lf the Judges consider that it ought to have prevailed, certainly. The Attorney-General —If that should be so, Mr. Frost will be pined in the same situation with all her Majtsty's subjects. This case does not differ from any other case. --- Mr, Sergeant Ludlow—There is nothing new in the point. ' Str F. Pollock—lt may be so ; and yet Ido not under stand why the Learned Sergeant should address the observation to me and not to the Court. I complain of this want of courtesy, when I have so many difficul ties to contend against. I object to my Learned Friend, not in supposing that I ant uninstructed in matters of law , but to his manner of conveying that intimation. My attention at a very early period of professional life Was directed to this point. One of the first cases in - which I was engaged was in that of Walshe, who was convicted ; and, although it was decided by the Judges that he ought to have been acquitted, still he remained under the attainder for the rest of his life. Chief Justice Tindal—Here the position of the pri soner will be precisely the same as if we bad now de cided in his favour. The Attorney-General—lt will be like the case of all others, where a point has been reserved for the deci sion of the Judges at Westminster. Judge Parke—lf the prisoner should be convicted, and the point now reserved be decided in his favour, a pardon will, on the recommendation of the Judges, bo issued as a matter of course. There is no instance of reserving such a point, as if it w ere ma d e at n i s i pr i us . Sir F. Pollock considered, with all deference to the Court, that the presence of the Attorney-General, re presenting as he did the Crown, might and ought to make a difference. The Attorney-General —For the present you over rule the objection, subject to the consideration which it may afterwards undergo from your Learned Brethren at Westminster ; and if you decide it in the prisoner's fa vour, the same consequences will follow as in all the same cases of the same kind. Here, my Lords, I can not consent to depart from the practice which has pre vailed in England for centuries. Sir F. Pollock—Then, my Lords, it is high time that the practice should be altered, and that by competent authority. Samuel Simmons was the first witness called. He was examined by. the Solicitor-General.—l live (he deposed) at Newport, in this county. I live in the parish of Wollos, in the borough of Newport. Sir F. Pollock, with the permission of the Solicitor- General, proceeded to a preliminary examination of the witness --I live (said Simmons) at Newport. I know, the parish of Wollos. Ido not know that it is longer than the borough of Newport. . . Sir F. Poliock—The li m it s o f th e b or ough will ap . pear.from the Corporation Act. Judge Parke—yes, or from the Boundaries Act. Witness—The parish is a very large one. The Attorney-:General—The parish is, I believe, more extensive than the borough. Judge Parke—But part of the parish is, I suppose, in the borough ? Sir F. Pollock—l understand the fact to be, my Lord, that, as i represented at first, such was the con dition of things before the Municipal Act ; since which, for the purposes of that Aet-E-your Lordships will say whether that is for all purposes —part of another parish has been added to the borough. Mx'. Justice Parke—Do you admit that to be the fact, Mr. Attorney-General ? The Attorney-General—l believe that to be the fact, my Lord. Sir F. Pollock—Perhaps your Lordship will allow my Learned Friend to call a witness to prove the fact, inasmuch as this objection, which is a very important one, extends to a great number of witnesses. On the sheet before me I see no fewer than five or six to whom it applies. 11fr. Baron Parke--I3e so good t o rea d th e Muni cipal Act, and see how the fact is. The Act was not in Court, but was sent for. Mr. Kelly obtained the permission of the Court to attic the witness a question or two with regard to his own residence while the Act was searched for. The witness said—l have lived about twelve months or rather better, in the place where I now am. In the town I have lived about seventeen years. I live just below the Salutation public-house. I believe the Salutation to be in the borough of Newport. It stands by the side of Cardiff-street, which goes towards Pill gwently. The tramroad by which the coals are conveyed goes by my house. There is no other road. There are:about a dozen houses in the same place. J do not think there is any name to the street or place where my house is. It is about a quarter of a mile or a little better from the Westgate Inn. There are houses all the way from the Westgate to my house. The row of houses does not extend from the Salutation to my house. You pass the Salutation, and then turn a little to the right hand, and then there is a row of houses all the way to my house. I never heard any name for the place where it stands. I have never had letters directed to me, nor has any one in the same street or place. that I know of. My house is not rated, either to the Poor-rate or Bo rough -rate. It is only 6/. a-year. I do not know, of my own knowledge, how far the ancient borough ex tends, nor can 1 say how far the parish extends. I know the parish for miles round Newport. I do not know how many miles or what distance beyond Newport the parish extends. Mr. Kelly—My Lord, I understand that the ancient borough was within the parish, but was a small part of ' it. Certain additions have been made to the borough for the purposes of the Municipal Act, and those addi tional parts may not be in the parish. The parish is not in the borough, but, on the contrary, the borough is In the parish, and forms but a small part of it. ' Chief Justice Tindal—The witness may live in both. Air. Kelly—That may be se, my Lord. Mr. Justice Parke—lf there be any objection to be founded on the Municipal Corporation Act, it ought to be here, as it occasions great delay to have to send for it. When you have any objection to make, founded on a statute, be so good as to bring it. Sir F. Pollock—We expect the Act soon, my Lord. We thought it was here. Counsel cannot well bring the statutes at large. After some discussion between the Counsel on both sides, it was arranged that the direct examination of the witnesses should proceed, the argument upon the objection as to the insufficiency of the description being reserved, The witness was then examined by the Solicitor- General, and said, I remember Monday morning, the 4th of November. I know Mr. Frost, the prisoner at the bar. I saw him that morning, first by the Court-y -bella weighing machine, which is nearly a mile from 1 the Westgate Inn. Th ere were a great many persons with him. A great m an y o f t h ose persons h a d guns, scythes, sticks, pik es , mandrils, and pieces of iron, roasting ,spits, and long staves, and such kind of' wea pons. I hey wanted u p b y t h e turnp ik e, up Stow hill, in the direction to the Westgate Irn, about nine o'clock, as near as I can tell. They went to the Westgate Inn, by the turnpike. On Stowbill they made a stop. The turnpike is between the ma chiae and the Westgate. Mr. Frost there said, " Let us go towards thet own and show ourselves to the town.' They then went down the hill towards th e W estgate. The word " halt" had been given first, b ut I did not hear by whom. I went in the same directio n with Mr. Frost and these people. They went round to the i Westgate Inn gate. The picture produced s like the Westgate. (The witness then described on the pl an the route t a k en by the mob in going down the hill and turning round the front of the Westgate.) The road corning down the side of the 'Westgate is called Stow-hill. They came down there, and then wound round to the right, in front o f the inn. They went round towards the yard, which is on the other side of' the inn from Stow-hill. The house has two bows, and the yard turns up by the bow which is farthest from Stow-hill. There are gates to the yard, which wcre shut when these people went towards it. I saw Mr, Frost on th e p avemen t by th e anc h or - s hop close by, adjoining t h e yard. The people attempted to get into the yard, but could not. The anchor-shop is on the further sid e of the yard from the bow-window. I heard Mr. Frost say, " Turn round and show your appearance to the front." I was close by Mr. Frost when ho used that expression. The people then turned round to the Westgate. I saw the door of the Westgate. They went to the front of the Westgate, and rushed in at the door. The door was open when I they rushed in. The next thing I heard was firing. It began by the door. I think the firing began from the people, who went up the Westgate door. I did not see any person with a gun by the door before the people went up. When I heard the firing begin I stayed there a bit, and then I went over to Mr. Mal locks's who keeps the china shop. I stayed ten minutes or a quarter of an hour before I went to Mr. Mallocks's. A great deal of firing took place whilst I was there. I saw some of the people who had marched up to the Westgate firing. I left some of the people in the front of the Westgate. Some ran away. I cannot say that there had been -any firing from the inside of the Westgate before they ran away. There was a great deal of firing between them both. You could hardly see the Westgate for smoke. By " both," I mean the soldiers and the mob. The soldiers were in the West gate Inn, and I suppose some of them had fired before the people ran away. When there was a great deal of firing they threw their arms down and ran away. A great quantity. I did not myself see any fire come from any part of the Westgate, or from any soldiers. The last time I saw Mr. Frost before I went to Mallocks's was on the pavement, near the anchor-shop. I suppose there were 5,000 or 6,000 men there that morning. I saw about that number up by the machine. Quantities were running away when I went to Mal locks's. After that I saw no more of what took place at that time. I saw sonic fall as shot before I went to Mallocks's. I saw two so fall. One was by the door of the Westgate Inn, and another was just opposite the bow-window by the yard. I did not remain long at Mallecks's before I came out. I remained about five minutes. When I went out the men were running in all quarters. The soldiers were seeing what was going on. They were keeping the Westgate as clear as they could. I remained there until the mob was quite dis persed, which was about a quarter of an hour after I came out of Mallocks's. When I first saw these men at the machine there was some noise ; boys were hurraing. I saw Mr. Frost raise his hand, making a gesture as if to dissuade from something. Crass-examined by Mr. Kelly—l have lived for about twelve months in my present house. I have during that time lived at the Salutation as ostler. I was examined before Magistrates at the Westgate on the afternoon of the Monday on which the affray took place. I was examined more than once. I was examined on the Tuesday again ; that was the last time. I did not at that time live at the Salutation, nor'said I did. I have never said that I lived at the. Salutation at that time. I had left the Salutation about three weeks before that, and I have never lived there since. I was about four months or better at the Salutation. I get my livelihood now by my labour—by what I get to do—any kind of wark. At the time that this business took place I was raising potatoes. I had known Mr. Frost for many years. I knew that he was a Magistrate. He was so for a good while ; for some years ; I cannot say how long. He was Mayor of Newport once to my know ledge. I saw him in town, and heard people say that he was a Magistrate ; that is the knowledge I have of it. I never was before him as a Magistrate. I have lived in the house I now have about a year. I occu pied it before I went to the Salutation. I then went to the Salutation, and then went back again. Before that I had lived at the other side :of the Cardiff road. I have lived at Newport about seventeen years. Ido not know how many miles the parish of St. Woollos extends. The Attorney-General objected to any cross-exami nation in support of an objection as to misdescription at this stage of the proceedings. ' Chief Justice Tindal said that if there were any ob jection founded upon the Municipal Corporation Act the witnesses must in future be examined to it on the voir dire. Sir F. Pollock—Yes, my Lord, but we had not the Act by us before. Cross-examination resumed—l first saw the door of the Westgate as we came round down Stow-hill. That was before the people assembled before it. The door was open, and there was a lot of special constables at it. Ido not know that the door was closed at all. The people got into the house directly, as soon as they turned round the corner to the Westgate door. That was before the firing commenced. I remained about half-an-hour in one spot or the other. I stood about five minutes, I am sure, during the firing, after some of them had entered the house. Mr. Kelly—Are the depositions taken before the Magistrates here ? Mr. Bellamy handed the depositions which bad been returned in the case. Mr. Kelly resumed his cross-examination, and re ceived the following answers from the witness :—I was taken to the Westgate and was sworn, and gave evidence, which was taken down in writing and signed by me. It turned out, however, that the witness had not been examined in this particular case, and the depositions which he had actually made were sought for and produced. The witness said—The paper produced is my deposi tion. The depositions were then read by the clerk, at Mr. Kelly's desire. Mr. Kelly (to witness) —Is it true or false that you swore that" lam a labourer, living at Salutation-hill ?' —I did not swear that. I live near Salutation-hill. Did you not tell me just now that you liud a quar cr of a mile from Salutation-hill ?—No, Sir ; for I ived about a stone's throw from it. Re-examined by the Solicitor-General—The Friars is nearer to the Westgate Inn than the weighing ma chine. A Juror wished, he said, to put a question to the witness. The Chief Justice asked what question it was that he desired to put. Juror—Simmons has stated that they halted at the weighing machine, and afterwards he said that they marched. I wish to put the question, to know who does he mean when he says " they " marched ? Chief Justice Tindal—Who do you mean by " they ?" Witness—All the mob, Sir. Juror—Was there anybody directing the mob in their march ? Witness—No one but Mr. Frost, who said, " You are to show yourselves to them." Juror—You have said that Frost took a prominent part. When you depose that he said, " Show your appearance in your front," do you mean that these are the exact words he used Witness—Yes, as near as I could understand it. Chief Justice Tindal (to juror)—You are quite right, Sir, in putting the question. Juror—You stated also that there were soldiers at the Westgate Inn. Do you know that of your own knowledge ?—Yes, Sir, there were soldiers in the West gate Inn. You stated that you saw Mr. Frost before the West gate Inn. How long was that before the firing com. menced ?—I did not see him until long after the firing commenced. When it began be had gone out of sight. I did not see him until long after. Mr. Kelly—How far is your present house from Sa lutation-hill ?—Not 100 yards. To the best of your knowledge is it about 100 yards ? —lt is rather less. About 90 yards ?—Less. Do you of your own knowledge know whether this house is within the boundaries of the old borough ? I cannot say, for I never paid any rates ncr taxes. I have only one question more to put to you. You have said that the parish of St. \Volios extends four miles round ; what is the most distant place from New port, in the parish of St. WoHos, that you know of ? —About two miles. Is it in the direction of Cardiff' and Chepstow 7—lt is in neither way ; it is towards Stow Church. Do you know whether it is east, west, north or south ? —I believe it is to the south. The Attorney-General—l admit that the parish ex tends beyond the borough. Mr. Kelly—The amount of its population is a very important particular. Judge Parke—lf the parish extends an acre beyond the borough it is the same as if it were twenty miles. Mr. Kelly—You will find that in this case it makes a very material difference. Sir F. Pollock—The place should have been named the borough of Newport, within the parish of St. Wollos. Chief Justice Tindal—You are now raising an ob• jcction upon a misdirection. Mr. Thomas Protheroe was then examined as to the boundary by Sir F. Pollock—He said that he was for a long time acquainted with the borough. He would not speak as to the old boundaries of the borough. He believed they were somewhere about Salutation-bill. The Salutation was always licensed by the Magistrates of the borough. The Salutation was near to the ex tremity of the old borough and the commencement of the new. Sir F. Pollock contended that the description of the witness was not a good one. The prisoner was entitled to have the name and place of abode of the witness. To say that the parish of St. Wollos was in the borough of Newport was, it appeared to him, a misdirection. It should have been in the borough of Newport. in the parish of St. Wollos, because the borc ugh of Newport was in the parish of St. Wollos—it was part of the pa rish, and St. Wollos was not in the borough, or any part of it. Chief Justice Tindal—The witness is in the parish of St. Wollos, and he also lives in the borough of New port—that is, in the part of the parish which is within the borough. Mr. Kelly contended that the statute of Anne had not been complied with as to this particular wit ness. The statement was untrue in point of fact. The description here was manifestly insufficient. It did not give to the prisoner the information which the Crown possessed. The witness was described as of a parish which was several miles in extent. Here the witness was living near a street which ought to have been stated. Chief Justice Tindal called for the panel retnrned by the Sheriff. Judge Parke asked if there were not a case in which a witness was described as of a parish ? The Attorney-General replied that be was not aware of it, but the practice had been to describe a person as of a parish. Mr. Kelly trusted that the Court would not take from the Attorney-General any statement as to the prac tice. TlPre wlls the case of an sttorney who described himself as of New Pin, and vet it was held to be bad. Judge Parke—That was for misdirection, not for want of certainty. Mr. Whiteman referred the Court to the case Of Stoneman, in the 6th Term reports. A man was de scribed as of Grafton -street, and thcugh there were shown to be several Grafton-streets, the objection was overruled. Chief Justice Tindal said the objection here was double. First as to misdirection, next as to want of certainty. The direction given was, " Samuel Sim mons, of the parish of St. Wollos, in the borough of Newport." That was true—he was of the parish of St. Wollos, in the borough of Newport. There was no intention to enter into a detail of how much was in the borough, and how much out of it. The statute said that the name, profession, and place of abode of the Jurors, and witnesses should be given. That was done here. Then the next objection was, that it was a bad description, on, the ground of its being too general. In the first place it was said that St. Wollos was larger than the borough. The statute gave the profession and place of abode of the Jurors and witnesses. On looking to the Jurors' list, he found no particular street named, but the parish in which the Juror resided. For instance, Thomas Avery, of such a parish, in the county of Monmouth. He thought then, that both objections must be overruled. Judge Parke was of the same opinion as the Chief Justice. The description was accurate. The witness lived in the borough of Newport, and in the parish of St. Wollos. Judge Williams considered that the description was more favourable than if it were given in the manner that had been contended fer. Thomas Morris examined by the Attorney-General— I live in the borough of Newport, and in the parish of St. Wollos. I am a land surveyor. I made the plan, a copy of which is before me. It is entitled, " Plan of a part of Newport and the Roads leading to it." It is laid down on the scale of a furlong to the inch. I like wise prepared this plan, which is called a ground plan of the Westgate Inn and the street adjoining. It is on the scale of a chain to an inch. I made these two plans recently. The third is a plan of tramroads and land leading to Newport. It is correct. I did not do it all by myself. I believe it to be generally correct. I know the roads and canals and places marked here. Richard Waters examined by the Solicitor-General. —I am an attorney residing at Newport. I had been sworn in as special constable previous to the 4th No vember. I know Mr. Frost. I saw him on Monday, November 4. I first saw him that day immediately be fore the Westgate Hotel. I saw him about nine in the forenoon. He was alone, inasmuch as he was on the pavement, but he was accompanied by an immense body that were in the road. He was perhaps within a few feet close to the house. The persons with him were oc cupying the whole of the road. I had known Mr. Frost from infancy. He had on his neck a loose wrapper—a red handkerchief. I have heard that description called " weather handkerchief," one likely to be worn over another. I heard firing. I cannot say where Mr. Frost was when I first heard the firing. It was almost instan taneously after seeing Mr. Frost that I heard the firing. I was not on my specific duty that morning. I was there to keep watch and ward—to keep the place. I was in the commercial room of the Westgate Inn when I saw Mr. Frost. The commercial room was at the west end of the corner of Stow-hill road. It fronts the Mayor's house. I cannot speak of my own knowledge of there being more than one in the room. I had returned to Newport on the previous night at eleven o'clock. I remained from home all the previous night. During the night I was at different parts of the town. I saw that the mob came in the direction of Stow-hill. The shutters were closed first, and from curiosity I went to the commercial-room, opened the shutters, and saw these persons. When they came from Stow-hill they fronted the house. I re mained in the room as long as I considered it safe there. On going to the passage I found the back door block aded. That was the only door by which I could get into the yard. When I found that door blockaded I went up stairs, which was the only place I could go to. I saw Mr. Frost from the commercial room. There is a window of the, inn that looks across Westgate-street. c T o h n e tin st u r a e t e io t n irn o m f eti o a m te m ly in front erciai-str is so eet. In c lm all e e d d ia , t sn ely d is a after I saw the persons.coming down Stow-hill I heard the firing. It was so very short a time that I cannot cal culate the period that intervened. The noise and the din of breaking in the windows was so great that I can not distinctly say there was firing at all. The breaking in of the windows took place in the commercial room. They broke in the windows with pikes and man drils (an instrument like a pickaxe). There were various sorts of weapons—so many I can hardly de scribe them. I left the room when they began breaking the windows. I stopped up stairs as long as the firing lasted, which continued for six or seven minutes. During the time the windows were breaking in I cannot say there was firing, but when I got up stairs there were some hundreds of vollics. I have no doubt firing came from the persons I have described. I saw guns with those persons. 'Whilst up stairs I was in one of the back bedrooms. The place below the outer door of the inn and the room in which the soldiers were was quite full of the people. On one side of the ball was the commercial room ; on the other was a room in which were the soldiers. The men in the passage had arms. I distinctly saw one person with a pike delibe rately breaking the windows in the bar. After the firing ceased I went down stairs. I saw several bodies, some dead and some dying. These persons had met their death while I .was above stairs. Outside the house there were four bodies, three dead and one dying. The number of persons who had been in front wore dispersed. Some were hurrying on for the corners of the street. When I saw Mr. Frost Thomas Latch was with me, and I spoke to him. When I came out, the front of the Westgate was vacant, and the mob was dispersed. I came down with the soldiers from the barracks. There were about thirty of them. They had been in the room be fore the assemblage arrived for about twenty minutes. I believe the shutters of the room in which the soldiers ' were were closed. Cross-examined by Sir F. Pollock—l have known Mr. Frost from my infat:cy. I have lived in Newport more or less since I was born. I have been constantly visiting that place. I knew that Mr. Frost was Mayor of Newport. lam not aware that he was so more than once, and that was, I believe, in 1836. I knew that he was a Magistrate. I believe he was so for three or four years. I believe that he was an active Magistrate, and a very conscientious one, for any thing- 1 know to the contrary. I saw nothing after I had got to the room at the back of the house. I did not go to fetch the soldiers ; I 'net them at the barracks. The wit ness here pointed out the different positions on the map. He continued his evidence by stating—There were se veral prisoners at the Westgate Inn on the Sunday night. I did not see them, nor see any prisoners brought there, and I merely tell you this from hearsay. There was a room in the Westgate appropriated to priso ners. It was situated between the bow-window and the door—at least this was the room for persons in custody on the Monday night. I had no directions to arrest anybody. I (lid not come into town until eleven o'clock, after most of the special constables had received their orders. I know a person of the name of Vincent by common report, and from having seen him latterly, I know his person ; but have no ac quaintance with him. I know nothing more of him than that be made several speeches at public meetings in Newport. I knew that Vincent was in custody in Monmouth on the Sunday night. I do not know, of my own knowledge, whether any application had been made to the Magistrates on the subject of his treatment in gaol. 1 cannot say that I know of there having been a general talk in the country and in Newport of Vincent being in custody, and of the manner in which he was treated. I had heard that persons of the same political opinions as himself— The Solicitor-General objected to the line of exami nation being pursued. Sir P. Pollock said that what he wished to prove was that general complaints had been made, no matter by what class, as to the treatment experienced by Vincent. Chief Justice Tindal—To whatperiod does that refer? Sir P. Pollock—Previous to the present transaction, my Lord. I conceive that the state of the country, the prevailing reports, and the general state of the country, is evidence. The Solicitor-General—l do not object to my friend giving evidence as to general talk or conversa tion ; but what I object to is, after the witness having said that he knew of no such general conversation, that my friend should then ask him, " Have you heard so and so 2" Cross-examination resumed—l was not aware of a general talk. There were published letters in the Newspapers with respect to the treatment of Vincent. I cannot tax my memory that I have seen many com plaints. I believe I have seen letters from Mr. Frost to the effect }ou have referred to. I did not read them, as I took no ►nterest in the matter, but I knew their purport. This was some months before these transac tions. It was about the March As,izes, I believe. I am not a Magistrate's clerk, nor have I anything to do with the prosecution of any of the prisoners. In answer to a Juror, the witness said, it is already in evidence that I said the firing took place immediately after I saw Mr. Frost in front of the commercial-room in the Westgate. Thomas Latch sworn, and examined by the Solicitor- General.—l am the son of a merchant living very nearly opposite the \Vest-gate Inn, Newport. I re member the morning of the 4th of November. I was at the Westgate Inn. I know Mr. Frost. I saw him under the window of the commercial-room and saw him pass that window, on the road from Stowhill. He went round the corner towards the front of the West gate. He was on the pavement alone, but there were a number of persons coming down the road. I know Mr. Waters. He was standing alongside me looking out at the window. The persons in the road were a rmed. Some had pikes, some guns, some mandrils, and a great variety of weapons. I heard a tiring in the front of the Westg - ,Ate about two minutes after PRE SUN. LONDON, FRIDAY„JAINTUARY 3. 1 40. Mr. Frost had passed. The windows were broken in by the mob. 1 was in the Commercial Room when I heard the firing. I remained there a few mi nutes, and then made my escape through the back doer. On my way I saw one person breaking the window of the bar with a pike. I saw, as near as I can judge, about two hundred persons pass the window. They were in tLe course of passing when I left the room and made my escape. The firing was then still continuing. I staid a few minutes in the room after I had left the window, but I did not remain long after that till I made my escape. I have known Mr. Frost from my childhood. Cross-examined by Mr. Kelly—l was from home when Mr. Frost was a Magistrate, and was never per sonally acquainted with him. I have never visited him, but he has been at my father's house. It was a little after nine o'clock on the morning of the 4th of Novem ber when I went to the W estgate, and it was about five minutes after that when the mob assembled in front of it. I had not been out that morning be fore, nor in the night. To the best of my recol lection I had not been to • the Westgate on the Sunday. I had not been out that day more than usual. I had been to chapel in the morning. I had not heard of any persons being taken into custody, and being in the Westgate. I think I was at the West gate about ten minutes on Monday morning. I then knew that some persons had been taken into custody during the night. I was not in the little room between the entrance and where the soldiers were. The last wit ness was with me when I saw Mr. Frost pass by, and a remark was made at the time. That was the only time I saw Mr. Frost. John Waters, the last witness, was at the window with me, and must, I presume, have seen Mr. Frost too. He and I did not leave the room together. • I left first, and went out by the back door. From the window through which I looked you cannot sec Stow-hill. You can see the road that leads to it. When we first went. into the room the shutters were closed, and John Waters opened them. I left a gen tleman of the name of Clark in the room with. Mr. Waters when I left, and no one else. I had never known of any body of the military beir , assembled at the Westgate before that occasion. Ido not know of my own knowledge where the Magistrates have met for a year or so before this transaction. They used to meet at the poorhouse. (The witness was re-examined, and pointed out on the plan the window from which he had looked, which was the one next to Stow-hill.) John Rees, examined by Mr. Sergeant Ludlow—l live at Pillgwently. My father's name is Rees Recs. I was, on the morning of the 4th of November, in com pany with another boy, of the name of Coles, about a quarter to nine o'clock. I remember meeting a man on horseback, riding past towards Newport. After hearing what he said I went towards the Court-y belle. ma chine. I met there a large body of men. Mr. Frost • came to the front of the mob from the hind part. Coles and I were not together then—we were about Ina a dozen yards apart. I had gone up with another boy, of the name of Thomas Davis, and Coles was by the meadows at the time. When Mr. Frost came to the front I heard him ask Coles where the soldiers were, and he said there were about a dozen of them gone down to the Westgate. I saw a person with a pistol in one hand and a pike in the other near Mr. Frost when he asked the question and received the answer. That person was Jack the Fifer. One of them was on one side of the road, and one of them on the other. The body of men was in the road. Jack the Fifer told the boy to go on, and say that they meant to have the Westgate by-and-bye to themselves. He said that loud enough for Mr. Frost to hear him. The men were then standing still. I heard Mr. Frost and Jack the Fifer say, " March," and the men then marched on in rank several abreast, the width of the turnpike-road. Some had guns, some pikes, and some mandrils in their hands. They marched until they came to the road that turns up the Friars. I know Commercial-street and Charles-street. One party went up the road that turns up to the Friars, and the other went on towards Com mercial-street. Both those roads lead to the town of Newport, and to the Westgate Inn. Cross-examined by Mr. Kelly—The Court-y-Bella machine is about three-quarters of a mile from the Westgate Inn. The boy Coles works for a blacksmith in Mr. Phelps's yard. I have known him for some time. Mr. Phelps is a coal-merchant. I believe. 1 do not know whether he is also a surveyor. My father ' 'll. Rees, was one of the special constables. He was not with me at the time I speak of. I had . not been the' machine more than three minutes when I saw the men' come up. I had gone up stairs to see the Chartists coming up. I suppose Coles had been there about five minutes. He bad come up the tram road from Pill towards the Court-y-Bella machine. Pill is about a quarter of a mile from the machine where this took place. It was about two minutes or less after the men had come up that I heard Mr. Frost ask about the soldiers. The men had halted before he came up. I should say there were some thousands of people. They were hurraing, and made a good deal of noise amongst them. They stopped at this spot about five minutes or more. Coles was standing by the by the side of Frost when Mr. Frost asked about the soldiers, I ran on before the mob. I was not afraid of them. It was about thirty or forty yards from the machine to where the roads branch off. One road leads to the Salutation and the other to the Friars and St. Wollos's Church. I swear the mob divided there and took the two roads. About half, I think, went one way, and the other half the other. I saw no more of him that day. I ran across the fields to the front of Mr. Hopkins's house, at the top of Charles-street. I saw my father there, and I stopped there while the mob went down to the Westgate, until the firing was over. I could not see the firing there, but I could hear it. I talked to iiy father' about what I had seen. After the firing was over went .down by tMr. Ho theWesp.,t gate, and went home, i?g kins's house. was examined in the Westgate on the eiien'ng nrthe 4th of November, and also on the sth of November: I was sworn .beth times, and what I said was taken down in writing. -I was examined be fore Mr. Blewett and Mr. Coles. Re-examined—Mr. Hopkins is the head of the police, and the constables were stationed at his house. In answer to a juror the Witness said I distinctly heard Mr. Frost, as well as Jack the Fifer say " March," to the mob. The Jury here requested permission to retire for a few minutes, which was acceded to by the Court. On their return, James Coles was sworn and examined by Sergeant Ludlow—l live at Pillgwently. On the morning of,the 4th of November 1 was on the tramroad with Rees. I saw a great number cf people coming up. They had guns, pikes, and different other weapons, which 1 could not distinguish. Some had one kind, others had diffe rent sorts of weapons. I did not meet a person on horseback coming towards Newport. I came from Pilig. wently, one part of which leads to Newport, another part leads to the hills. I saw two persons at the head of the men when I first saw them. They were moving on, and shortly after I saw them stop. I know the prisoner Frost. The men took up their station abreast Court-y-Bella above the machine. I know Jack the Fifer. I saw him there. He had in one hand a pistol and something else in the other. I saw Frost also. He wore a red cravat around his neck. He asked me where the soldiers were ? I told him that I heard that ten or a dozen were at. the Westgate, and the remainder at the Poor-law Union house. One man came up from the crowd and said, "We want the Westgate." Another said, " I want a waistcoat, because it. is wet." They then halted and began to show what they would do. One said, " I would cut," and another said, " Mine is -- sharp." I did not hear them say what they would cut. They were planning and standin ,, together. I heard to stopped me.wa wanted man go w downith a C hUT cit, but Jack the Fifer say, " March !" did not hear Frost say anything. The men went o n wa lki ng f our a b reast. I know Stow-hill by the Friars. Th ey made ms go withth i- e s m t r from t the Friars they stick went before me, and prevented me going away. I only saw those who went down Stow-hill. r 1: 1 ,: ,a g a so t t e i.n h g :h 1 0 us e . Cross-examined by Sir F. Pollock--I am sixteen Years and three months of age. I was coming from Pill for breakfast when I saw the people running nut.l was g to bpreililikffraositn ;IhtMulli James smith's shop, to I ba ,nat the a Pill. w e That is about three quarters of a mile from Court-y-bella, on the road to Pill. From the middle of Pill it is just a quarter of a mile. I now work for Mr. Phelps. I «•o-k for no one. Mr. Phelps is an attorney. I work in his smith's shop repairing trams. I stay at James INlullin's at Pil:gwently. Examination resumed—Mr. Phelps is a proprietor of coal works. Thomas Bevan Oliver sworn, and examined by Ser geant Talfourd—l am a p rinter, residing at Newport. I was sworn a special constable on the Ilth of May 4th of Novem last, the time of Vincent's affair. Si r Th omas Phill i ps near the West out nine o'clock bg w ae a tr s e, . t h h e e l n orr t ed h ce e erie l: d l e a dm y d o ei r rieoc t O i o takenn s I‘ f l ur o op n ma d atet him alebe in the morning. The place assigned to me to tnke was at the hall-door, in the centre of the house, I was placed just in the door, which was l e ft open . . Special constables were placed the door and pas sage. Tho soldiers were then in the Westgate. A quarter of an hour previously I saw them march into the room. I remained at the door for ten minutes or a quarter of an hour, when I heard shouting from Stow bill. The shouts appeared to come from that place. In the course of a minute I saw some f ew s t ragg li ng persons coming down Stow-hill. Then a tremendous number came from the hill, in front of the Westgate. They appeared to be in a dvance of a body which had not yet arrived. The men who were in front were armed with guns and pikes. Some of the pikes were well made, and others were not so. There were five men abreast,and to every ten men there w as a man w i t h a gun on the side next to the Westgate. I was standing at the door-post when the men came round the corner, and went to the gates of the inn, which I cannot say were open or not. I can't say that the men attempted to get in. The gates lead into the co u r t-y ar d o f th e inn. I know a man named \‘' aters. I saw him that morning. He had a gun in his hand. As he passed the window of the inn. he held it up in a threatening attitude, seemingly pointing to the windows. Tie crowds which passed the gates halted in front of the house, and came up to the door where I stood. The first man who came up was armed with a gun. Some had pikes. They did not march up in order. The door is about five feet wide. I heard one of those who came up the passage address the special constables. He said " Surrender yourselves or the prisoners.' I heard the answer made, " No, never." Then the man with the gun levelled it at my head, and I caught hold of the door. In the struggle the gun went off about three inches from my head and stunned me. I immediately afterwards heard firing on the outside, and I afterwards beard firing inside, which lasted for several minutes. During the firing the men who rushed into the passage pushed by me. The smoke prevented me seeing who they were. I went by the back-door of the Westgate, and out through the yard. I could not form any idea of the persons who were struggling in the passage. It was crowded. The people in the passage generally carried some weapons similar to those which the crowd had. The firing continued after I got into the yard. I did not remain long in the yard I went home by the back way and thus avoided altogether the crowd in the front. 1 returned again that morning to the West gate. I returned in about twenty minutes. The crowd was then dispersed. I saw persons lying dead there ; two i❑ the front, and two were stretched at the side. I know Mr. Frost. Cross-examined by Mr. Kelly—l have been on friendly terms with Mr. Frost. I never had much ac quaintance with him. My family was not unfriendly to him. I swear to that. I don't know that my father was on unfriendly terms with him. I never knew that such was the fact. My father is not here. On the 11th or 12th May I was made a special constable. I did not serve since that time till the riots, when I was sum moned to do so on Sunday night between eight and nine. I don't know that others, previous to that hour, had endeavoured to preserve the peace. I acted the whole night. After twelve o'clock that night prisoners were arrested. I believe the first arrest was made be tween two and three o'clock in the morning. Several prisoners were taken during the night. They were taken as Chartists. They were brought into the West gate. I saw some of them taken into the large room nearest the yard-gate, and which is marked A. It is one of the rooms with projecting windows. About six, which was the last time I saw them before the mob ap peared, I savv them in the small room marked G, be tween the soldiers' room and the entrance. About six I went up as far as the church, and went home and about the town till nearly nine. I then went back to the Westgate, and was placed with other special con stables at the entrance. The soldiers a ere going into the house as I returned, about twenty minutes before the firing took place, which was about nine o'clock. It was about a quarter of an hour, as nearly as I can say, between the time of my return and the firing. During that quarter of an hour I remained altogether in the entrance, looking through the door. There were several other persons besides myself in the passage, and the door remained open all the time ; it was never closed at all. The first thing I heard was the hurrah ing previous to my seeing the mob coming. I was in the front of the special constables, and the mob was in ranks as they came round the corner. Waters carried a gun and another man also carried a gun, who came up to to the door. I did not see any person in particular who ap peared to be the leader. The depositions produced to me are mine. I think they were made on the sth of No vember. The leader I spoke of in the depositions ; who said to us, " Surrender yourselves as our pri soners," I called leader there because he came up to us. He was then coming up to the door. It was not Waters whom I alluded to, but to another man with a gun. (The depositions of the witness were here read.) I believe the person whom I spoke of in these depositions as leader is dead. I don't know his name. Not one minute elapsed after the mob came to the door, after they had been to the gate, before they called on us to surrender. There was a great deal of noise and confusion outside. I was quite in front. I was alarmed, but cannot say considerably. Notwithstanding those circumstances, I firmly believe those to have been the words used. There might be a variation of a word. They were addressed to me, and f thq i .noan : was,- About .. a yard from me. They might: ; have heen addressed to the whole then assembled at the' WestiAe.; - I don't Isnow who cried out " Never." It, was sotne,,one - behind :me, and there was no one there but,the ppcial. constables n th a t I k now o f. Th e firing continue about ten minutes. I know Vincent, and that he has been in confinement since the Summer Assizes. He was a Chartist. Others were tried at the same time, and were convicted and imprisoned. I have lived at Newport, but do not know that it was a matter of notoriety there that complaints were made of the treatment of Vincent and the other prisoners. I am not at all connected with any newspaper here. I did, after the riots, report some of the examinations for a newspaper, but have had no other connection with any. Re-examined—The party who called on me to sur render was a gun-length from me. If I have not given his words quite verbatim I have given them in substance. Many other persons in the mob had guns. Henry Evans, examined by Mr. Sergeant Talfourd— I am a saddler, living in Newport. My house is nearly opposite the Westgate Inn. I was at home on the morning of Monday, the 4th of November, standing et my shop door. I had not in view Stow-hid ; but I had in view the whole front of the Westgate. There is a Mr. Daniel Evans Who lives next door to me.- He is a tailor. About nine o'clock in the morning I saw a great number of people coming down Stow-hill, armed with different kinds- of weapons. From 300 to 400 came forward' in front of . the mob to -ttio front of the West gate. -.They marched seven or eight•abreast. I give a rough guess at their numbers. I noticed only man in advance of the body, armed with a gun, who went up and tried , the gates which go into the Westgate-3ard. They were fastened.. from the inside. 1 could not see the gates from my house, but he went up as to go into them. Turned from them. The man came back to the mob, and they were halted in front of the Westgate. I next saw this man fire his gun into the long room where the military were. The long room is nearest my house. Iknew there were soldiers there. I did not see any other person do anything at the window. I then heard several guns fired, and saw the windows of the Westgate opened, and I went in and shut the door. I saw no firing from the soldiers. The Grand Jury now came in, and returned true bills against Thomas Moordock, Thomas Davis, Lewis Row land, and Samuel Etheridge, for conspiracy and riot ; and against John Fisher, John Batten, jun., Edward Jones, and William Pillinger, for a riot. Cross-examined by Sir F. Pollock.—The long room where the soldiers were had a bow-window. I shut my shop about half-past seven o'clock, and about nine heard the noise of the mob coming round the corner. When the mob came in front of the Westgate Inn, the lower half of the shutters of the long room were shut. Th;s would shut the window up to about four or six feet from the floor, so that it would be difficult for any person to look over to see what was going on outside. The ground slopes from the inn. Re-examined—The body of men who came in front were ten or twelve yards from me. Daniel Evans examined by Mr. Mr. Sergeant Tal fourd—l am a tailor, living at Newport, opposite the Westgate Inn, next door to the last witness. I was at home on the morning of the 4th of November. My shop was shut up. At that time I saw a number of persons coming round the corner from Stow-hill. They came round in ranks and halted opposite the large doors, and when they saw those doors were shut they wheeled round towards the Westgate door in front. I mean the entrance into the house. They then wheeled tom,rds the centre of the house, that is, near to the porch. There were at that time hundreds collected together, and it appeared to me as if there were still hundreds coming from Stow-hill, and to fill the space in front. The first man had asword. There were others with guns,spikes, and pikes. When 1 used the words " spikes," I mean by it that there were pieces of iron at the end of pieces of x ood. The wood was tipped with iron. I heard one man say, " In, my men," or " In, my boys." There was no firing that I am aware of before this. I saw an armed party tearing at the lower windows. They were tearing them to pieces with their spikes, and some of them jumped in. At that time I heard firing in the passage. I know the room in which the soldiers' were. The firing began from the mob on the front door. That was before any one opened the window shutters. The shutters had been closed up to the time that the mob came up. I saw firing into the soldiers room at the time that they were opening the shutters. The moment I found the soldiers were in the room, which I did not know before, I thought it was time to go. I locked the door and went up to the top window, from which I could see every thing. I believed the soldiers' fired before the shutters were opened, but the firing must have been upwards, be cause they could not see the mob until the shutters were opened. In about half a minute after the window was opened one man was shot. Another man was shot as he was going into the door. A third man was shot at the pillar. who did not die for an hour and a half af terwards. The moment the first man fell the mob ran. On his cross-examination the witness stated that he did not see any man in particular acting as a leader ; and also that the soldiers were firing half a minute before any one was shot. William Adams, park-keeper to Sir C. Morgan, de posed to his having on the 4th of November seen great numbers of persons as if running from Newport. He asked them what was the matter, but did not get an y answer. He shortly after saw Mr. Frost walking quickly on the road in the same direction, and having his handkerchief up to his face, as if he was crying. H e asked Mr. Frost what was the matter, but did not get any answer. He afterwards saw Frost turning off the road'to a by-place, into a copse-wood. Sir Thomas Phillips, examined by the Attorney-Ge neral—On the 4th of November I was Mayor of the borough of . Newport. I was so from the 9th of November, 1838. In the course of Sunday, the 3d of November, I received intelligence which induced me to take steps to preserve the public peace. I gave orders to the Superintendent of Police to have special constables ifi attendance I heard that there was fd he a movement from the hills on Newport. In the early part of Sunday evening the special constables were distributed aC t),ln three houses, the King's Head, the Parrot, and the Westgate, which arc the three principal ;nee in the town. They were afterwards moved to the King's flea 4 and Westgate. I consulted with Mr. Brewer and Mr. Edwards, the Magistrates. In the evening I stationed myself with Mr. Brewer at the Westgate Inn. (The witness here pointed out on the map the room in which they had been stationed.) I remained there through the night, and I received intelligence of the approach of persons towards Newport. I received communications so early as s ix i o',:lock, and again soon after I got to the Westgate, and up to daybreak. We sent out constables, who were relieved from time to time, and they brought. in telligence to us: I sent out a person named Walker, about six o'clock in the afternoon, and he came back wounded about eleven at night. I sent constables to a place called the Marshes. Several persons were brought before me in custody. The Marshes are in the northern entrance to the town, above the bridge. More than a dozen persons were brought in custody of the constables during the night. About twelve were detained in custody, and the greater part were sent to the barracks, but some remained at the Westgate. The barracks are about half a mile distant from the West gate Inn. Same of the prisoners were in the room ad joining that in which the soldiers afterwards were. I received intelligence of the approach of persons to the town till between eight and nine o'clock on Monday, from different points of the road, and at last I sent a request for troops to the barracks soon after daybreak, and in consequence thirty soldiers. I believe, were sent to me under the command of Lieutenant Gray and Ser geants Daley and Armstrong. When Lieutenant Gray arrived he formed the soldiers in front of the house, and I requested he would march them into the back yard. There are two gates to it, through which car riages pass on the east side of the house. The gates are in front of the street. I returned through the house, and having gone into the court-yard, and coming thence, I saw the military go into it. They were formed in the yard, and I desired the gates to be closed, and they were . fastened. I then took Lieut. Gray into the room at the east end of the house, and said the sol diers might go in there, if he approved of it, as a pro per position. He did approve of it, and it was neces sary it should be ventilated.. It was ventilated, and the soldiers were then stationed there. I soon after went into the front passage, hearing the people were in the (own, and I ordered the special constables to come in, and the door to be closed. It was afterwards opened, and given in charge of two or three special constables, with orders not to allow any one to enter. I then went into a room above the commercial-room, which has a bow-window, through which I could see a body of men passing the wing of the house formed in a column. They were regularly abreast of each other. They were all armed, some with guns and some with long spears or spikes. I stayed a short time there, and ran down to the passage below, and when I got opposite the bar I saw the heads of the column in the doorway, or close upon it. They were standing with weapons by their sides, as they appeared to me. They carried them verti cally. I ran to the room in which the soldiers were, and said, Lieutenant Gray load immediately. While the men were loading I heard shots fired in one of the passages of the houses. This was before the soldiers loaded their pieces. I also heard the windows of the soldiers' room beaten against from the outside. The lower half of each shutter was closed, and I heard the noise as if the shutter was violently pushed against, and the glass above broken. The shutters were closed before the soldiers were placed there. I saw they could not act in consequence when they had loaded. Shots I think had been fired at them. I believe Lieutenant Gray opened the middle shutter of the window, and I opened that to the left, and I felt my left arm benumbed, and saw two holes in my trowsers, and saw I had been wounded in the hip,' from shots fired outAitle. I understood the wound in the arm was made by slugs, and that in my hip by a ball. I saw Sergeant Daly afterwards wounded. I was wounded before the soldiers fired, and in the act of opening the window. The soldiers fired into the street, and into the pas sage. I saw one dead body of a rran, who fell close to my feet. None of the townspeople were killed, but some, I understood, were wounded. I think the firing did not last more than ten minutes. Lieutenant Gray knew I was wounded, as I mentioned it to him imme diately, but I do not know if I told him before the sol diers fired. The special constables had not guns. They had only staves to my knowledge. As far as I know, peace was soon after restored, but I was obliged to give up the charge of the town to others. The wound in my arm was severe. The other was a flesh wound. I did not leave the room till the affray was over. The present Mayor (Mr. Hawkins) was with me all night giving directions. The night was wet and windy. I saw some of the arms which were collected. Edward Hopkins examined by the Attorney-General ---I am Superintendent of the Newport police. I have got some arms.—(Several mandrils and pikes, and one gun and , a sword were here produced.) Ido not know of my own knowledge where they were picked up. Examination of Sir T. Phillips continued—The weapons I saw with the men at the Westgate from the window were similar weapons to those now produced. Cross-examined by Mr. Kelly—Now, Sir T. Phillips, will you allow me to ask you what is your business or profession ?—I am an attorney. And in partnership, I believe, with Mr. Protheroe, who has been sitting there ?—I was till the end of the last year. - For many years, I believe ?—Since June, 1824. Have you bad any other business or calling than that of an attorney ?—I have an interest in some mines. Now, I observe, Sir Thomas, in this long account you have given, you have never once mentioned Mr. Frost's name ?—I have not. Allow me to ask if you know Mr. Frost ?--I do. How long have you known him ?—For a period of 17 or 18 years. Were you well acquainted with him about the time the Reform Bill was in progress ?—Yes, I was. Previous to that time had you been on good terms with him ?—I had known very little of him. I had had no personal intercourse with him of any kind. Had your firm any dealings or transactions with him? —None at all. Do you know whether there were any differences be. tween him and Mr. Protheroe?—Tbere had been. Did these differences continue till near about the period of the Reform Bill ?—I think not. There was an action brought against him by Mr. Protheroe, and there were two indictments against him for libel, but I don't know when sentence was passed ; but I am not aware of anything having taken place between them since 1824. New, about the Reform Bill did you yourself become more particularly acquainted with Mr. Frost P—l met him in public. Had you met him, among other occasions, at public meetings ?—I had. You had an opportunity of observing his general conduct during that time ?—I had. I need hardly ask you, but about the Reform Bill was there a good deal of excitement in Newport as in other places ?—There were public meetings held at Newport on the subject. Was there a good deal of excitement?—There was a good deal of interest felt. Was there not a good deal of excitement at the time ? —I would say there was excitement. You say you attended public meetings about that time ?—I did. Have you attended meetings at the sam house as Mr. Frost ?—I have seen him at meetings at which I have been present. I believe from that time to this Mr. Frost has taken a prominent part in polities, and at public meetings ? lie has. Have you yourself done so ?—Not very prominent. Did you at the time I have alluded to ?—I at tended a few public meetings, and on two or three occasions took part. I must ask you, Sir Thomas, whether you yourself had not at public meetings, or at a public meeting, de clared that the majority of 1837. in the House of Lords. deserved to be guillotined, or to that effect ?- -Certainly not. And you say not to that effect ?—I have not. At a meeting at the Guildhall, at Usk ? Did you not attend such a meeting ?—I did. The High Sheriff presided. We must go by steps. I ask you if you did not then publicly make some observation concerning that majo rity in the House of Lords ?—I may have done so. Did you not, in fact : I ask you on your oath ?-1 you didbelieve I did. believe I did. I have not. H H a a v v e e y y o o u u a e o n ; y d d o ou u b b t t Now, will you tell use what you did say ?—I cannot. Did you make any observations importing what that majority deserved?--To my recollection I censured the m ajority, but, so far as my recollection goes, I did it in no offensive terms whatever. Now I must ask you, did you say anything as to their deserts ?—I believe I did not. Or what you wished they might meet with ?—I be lieve not. Now try and recollect yourself, and tell me whether you did not say something to this effect,—that you wished they might meet with the fate of certain parties in France ?-1 believe not. ---.-- - - --- - - ____ Did you make any allusion to any parties in France ? —I believe I alluded t) what had occurred in France. Did you not allude to the predecessors of the present King of the French ?—I may have done so, but I have no recollection whether I did or not. Did you not make an observation respecting this ma jori;ty of 1837, in connexion with the fate of those per sons ?—I believe not. IV ill you undertake to, swear you did not ?—I will not, hoving no recollection on the subject. Wer eyou then a Magistrate ?—No. Or a Mayor?--No. You have been present at public meetings with Frost ; did you see anything re prehensible in his conduct ?—I have diCered with him, but I saw nothing reprehensible in his co uduct at such meetings. EVENING V.DITION. Nothing ?—Yes ; I recollect a meetinitehe re he showed a want of temper towards myself personally. Yes, towards yourself, but was there anything tending to riot or disorder in his conduct ?—I think not. Have you had any opportunity of observing his public conduct as a Magistrate ?—I have. How long was he a Magistrate ?—About three years, I believe. During that time have you ever seen anything re prehensible in his public conduct ?—I would rather not answer that question. I have not approved of his conduct, but he might have believed What he did to be right. You have always lived in Newport ?—I have pot al ways lived in Newport, but for 20 years. Have you heard any particular inquiries made as to his fitness as a Magistrate ?—I have not. Has his general conduct as an indisidual been proper in your opinion 2—l should say not. Has his private conduct been proper ?—I know nothing of his private conduct, or as to his family. Did you know Vincent ?—Yes, I have seen him. What had you to do with his trial '1 —The Magis trates under the Government were his prosecutors. I know nothing otherwise. Do you not know that the supposed treatment of Vincent since his teal has been the subject of public complaint ?—I only know it by seeing it in the News papers. The Attorney-General objected to this course. The Lord Chief Justice —Then you must produce the Newspapers. Mr. Kelly replied. The cross-examination resumed. Do you know that complaints have become public and notorious as to Vincent's treatment since his trial ? —I do not, except from a partial Paper, which is said to be edited by him, called the IVcstern Vindicator. y Do you not know that h is treatment has been the subject of discussion with the M a g istrates ? No, I do not. You do not act with county Magistrates, do ou ? No ; the motion was proposed by' the public meeting on the subject of the Chartists. And directed against them ?—I suppose, as far as supporting the lawful authority might 1r ;supposed to be directed against them. On the 4th of November were you at N . e.skile rt the whole of the Sunday ?—I was. At what time did you receive intelligence of a .2a turn to lead you to supply special constables ?—So fa.r back as the Thursday, which led me to make inquiries which induced me, on the Saturday, to Siva orders for special constables, but oot for the Sunday night. When was any one first taken into custody ?—I should think as early as twelve o'clock on the night of Sunday. and all persons taken into custody were brought to the Westgate Inn, where Mr. Brewer ald myself were sitting. Captain Gray was then called, and was being exa mined when our express left at half-past four. In the course of the day the Grand Jury found true bills against Thomas Morgan, Thomas Davis, Lewis Rowland, Samuel Etheridge, John Fisher, John Batten, the younger, and William Jones, for conspiracy and riot ; and against Edward Pillenger fol• riot. MONEY MARK.ET and CITY NEWS. • (THURSDAY EVENING.) , TlMES.—Attention has been called to an latleertise ment which appeared in the Times of the 31st. o. c De cember, which states that the shareholders of the " London Trades Bank, late 34, G r acecbureh-street , ” had resolved that all persons having shares in that Bank, should be called upon to contribute 15/. cacti, to raise a fund for discharging the debts of the ConapanY, and gave notice to all shareholders to pay such ",fib' scriptions" without delay, as at the end of ten (from the 30th of December) the shareholders who h ad devoted their time and attention to the obligations I)! the Bank, would feel compelled, in justice to them selves and the creditors of the company, to furnith the names of the parties who had not subscribed to the said fund, " that such measures might be adopted by the creditors as they might deem advis able." Curiosity having been excited as to the origin of a Company which was the subject of so extra ordinary an advertisement, reference was made to two prospectuses, one of the " London United Trades' Bank," and the other of the " London and Dublin Trades' Bank," both of which are addressed 47, Skinner street, Snowhill. These seem, in fact, to be one and the same concern, which afterwards moved to 34, Gracechurch-street, the address mentioned in the advertisement. is stated n l t n 2 toho,ooip efi first o in f 2 t o h ! O s; o prospectusesshares o f the ol capital . each ; 'deposit 2/. 103. per share. In the seoond, the capital is stated at 1,000,000/., in 10,000 shares of 10/. each ; deposit 1/. In both of them it' will be seen that 10/. was the highest amount of capi tal to be furni'hed by each shareholder, and yet by the advertisement each is called on to pay 151., or 50 per cent. more than his apparent liability. No account is taken of the number of deposits which dif ferent proprietors have paid, but all are heaped together under one category, and the payment of 151. is held forth as the only condition on which the shareholder shall not be saddled with ail the liabilities of the Com pany. Its embarrassments must have been of some most unusual and extraordinary kind, when such large funds arc required to meet them, even at the lowest calculation. If it is the Company with 20,000 shares, (hat would make it 300,000/. ; if the larger one of 100,000 shares, 1,500,0001. Where and how it has carried on its business seems to be a mystery, and scarcely any ono in the City knows anything about it. The business done by it cannot, therefore, have been large. The principle of doubling the shilling to obtain de cimal division appears to have occurred many years ago to a. merchant of considerable - experience inf foreign coinage. He found the' double shill:l4. : 4eady exist ing in the Eastern rupee, and, like thC pibijosers oldie first scheme mentioned in the Times of December 31, divided this value into 100 farthings, likewise creating a coin to represent .the 10th part of this rupee, which was to be called a " pope." The shilling-and-the six pence were respectively to represent 50 and 25 far things, and thus this scheme did not is the slightest de gree vary from the other, save that the ingenious appli cation of the great penny formed no part of it. A device to prevent the excessive smallness of the piece of ten farthings deserves attention, and that is, the coining of such pieces with a hole in the middle, after the fashion of the small Chinese coins. The proposer of the rupee scheme strongly recommended the piece of four shillings (likewise proposed in both the schemes published on the 31st December), which was to become a substitute for the Spanish dollar, and as such be a legal tender in every British dominion beyond the seas. The Seigaorage on these coins, would, it is said, afford ample profit to the Mint to call them in and re-coin every tenth year, and yet not enough profit to induce a counterfeit. POST.— We mentioned a few days since that a lead ing firm at Liverpool had expressed its intention of discounting bills at the lower rate of .5 per cent. per annum at the commencement of the new year. The accounts rece:%ed this morning from that place corn municate the fact that the intention thus announced had already been carried into execution, the old and eminent banking establishment of Leyland and I3ul - having afforded accommodation to their customers at the interest named without the addition of any charge for commission. This is considered an important feature in the commercial aspect of the times, as many persons are disposed to think that the example of Messrs. Leyland and Co. will, in all probability, be followed by most of the leading bankers in the same neighbourhood, and possibly in the capital and other parts of the kingdom. Sach being the impression, the Public Securities have advanced a per cent. on yesterday's closing value. HERALD. —Money continues in full demand upon the Stock Exchange, and many in -the house maintain that money to nearly the amount of the forthcoming dividends will be required to take up advances made on different securities during the shutting of the Bank books at the period of their payment. Thus, it may be said, that as regards the Stock Exchange, the divi dends arc pretty well bespoken, which rather augurs that money would be in demand until the opening. In our commercial discount market, paper of the highest class has been done under the Bank of Eng land rates ; to-day, the notice of the Liverpool banks, that they would make advances on discounts at five per cent., without commission, would come into opera tion. These circumstances have revived the impres sion, that the Bank of England Direction would make some alteration in their notice : nothing, however, has transpired upon the subject. The operation on the part of the Liverpool banks, to which we have just referred, will have the effect of taking a good deal of the first rate paper out of tnis market, and will probably tend to promote the easiness of the commercial money markets in general. SUN.—The principal commercial markets have been in a very firm state to-day, not excepting Tea, though so large a quantity as G,400,0001b5. are deolared for the ap proaching sales. The sales of Mocha, East India, and other Coffees have gone off very steadily. Confidence in the City is on the increase, though some slight disap pointment was experienced this afternoon at the non issue of a notice from the Directors reducing the rate of interest to 5i or 5 per cent. 'The Funds appear to be on the rise, the pressure for money appearing to abate almost daily. We hear that discounts on the first class of paper have been effected at 5 per cent. to-day, without any charge for commission. If this state of things should continue the Directors of the Bank must soon reduce their rate of interest. Consols for Account left off very firmly this after noon at 924 y ; Exchequer Bills at par to 1 prom. ; Reduced Annuities at 914 ; and India Bonds at 4 6 discount. Great Western Railway Shares have advanced to 5 discount, Brighton to 12 discount. Manchester and Leeds (new) to 5 prem., and the North Midland to 8 discount. Canada Campany's Shares have been sold at 3} to 3 disc. per Share.