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were in for mime time before the adoption of thele salutary measures, Of these, the temperary sits pension, directed as it was, of the Habeas Corpus Act, must be considered one. He mist feel some what of surprise at the Noble Earl's present de tennined opposition, for which, on former occa sions, he had voted six or seven times. With re spect to the question immediately before the flouse, Ice ObjeCted to the ado tine of the Reso lutions, on various grounds. It was known shut a Committee had been appointed in another place to inquire into nil the branches of the ,public ex penditure, which should be an additional objec tion to their voting against a proposition on the . very subject which, of all others, that [louse was precluded 'front following ep by any practical step, or from legislating at all in the 'first instance.-=— The resolutions expressly pledged the House to declare that all sinecures should be abolished. He would ask the Noble Earl what was a sinecure ? A Bill was not a long time since sent up to that Hoese, designating a numertsee list of offices as SiheCureS—but without specifying their attributes. It appeared to be a word without any definite tre.ming attached to it ; but he ventured to b:ly, in .all that long list, there were nut more than four or offices to which the term sinecure could possi bly nuply. Some of the Exchequer Offices wsre ent re, 4 dfy deemed such,'hut to all those, more or less iteportant duties were etteched died great pecu niary responsibility required from the holders. The mode of tilling these offices msy be a newer of argument, but their duties must be executed solve way or other. In fact, with reg trd to such offices, Sinecure" was a mere .nianame, and it was under a nickname their Lordships were now called upon to abolish something generally. When the period should arrive, he misted the House would not legislate upon such grounds, but upon their own deliberate and disclimiriating view of the cases before them. lie dented also the posi lion, that the influence of the Clown in Patlia men? 11441 con,iderably iitereased. On inquiry, it would be found that die coutrary was the (Hear, hear.)—He vindicated the conduct of hiS INlejetny's Gun' nment on the question of economy ' and retrenchment. Every thing that way %Vas in a train of accomplishment, as far as was eons sistent with the Public Service. In illustration of this point, the Noble Minister entered into borne detailed expositions, Ile contended for the positive necessity of retaining the third Secretary of State for the transaction of the colonial busi ness, which ' was so increased as to render the office indispensible. The establishment of the Home Department was so fully employed, that no man had physical or' moral strength to fulfil the duties much longer in the way hiS Noble Friend was obliged to perform them' for'the last two or three months On these important poittts, there could be no days: ice of opinion among thoie who were,duly hifortned as to the nature of these businesses, with reference to the state of the country, or the increased wealth, population, or extent of the Bri!ish Empire. The adoption - of the proposed resoCttions could possibly lead to no. good practical result : 'on the contrary, it would lead to difficulty and embarrasSmelos ; and on these grounds, he would (Wove the previous Tres= tion upon them , . Lord Sr. Join; argued briefly in favour of the restrictions. Ile could not agree with the Noble Bail who spoke last, that the Suspension ef the Habeas Corpus Act, and the accompanying Bills, brought forward as they were, could be called " precautionary measures." With respect to th'e offices in question, though, literally speaking, they perhaps could not be caned Sinecu re s,.! yet those who filled them were in fact Sineeerists, Inasmuch as their deputies performed all theisluties The Edit of LAODEUDALE Spoke at solve length on the occasion. He Said, be felt inclined to re- probate the Resolutions proposed by his Noble Friend, though he could not but agree with him as to notch of what he said respecting the causes of the alarming and distressed ,sit nation of the country. fie descanted upon the %tistressed state of the landed tenantry. lie wi(lely differed from th e Noble hall at the head ut the Tioasury as to attributinwahe present meliorated state of put►lie credit to the measures lkely adopted by Mini s t ers . NVith respect to the influence of the Crown in Parliament, he argned, that instead of increasing,' it had considerably diminished ; 'and went into a variety of comparative calculations to evince this position... The rrominent one of these W 43 the statemeta that •in 1739, towards the close of Sir Robert Walpole's Administration, the Porliament ury Offices in the Cominims 11.1 , ;,, were 192 ; whereas in I BQ7 they were unly,.(io in number...— But out of Parliament, lie contended, the influence of the Crown had very considerably. increased.— Ile could not consistently vote for. a. motion for the previous question, on a proposition which sh'ould have been met by it decided negative. The Earl of DARNLEY shortly argued in favour of the motion. The particular mode proposed by his Noble Friend may be open to some objection, but •in the present generally distress e d s tate o f t h e • . • couivry, he WI it bis duty to vote for the Reso lutions proposed. The Earl of LIVERPOOL spoke briefly in expla. nation, and seemqd willing, if it were the sense of their Lordships, not to press his original mo tion for the previous question., but to - Atteet the propositions' by a direct negative, as the Noble Erirl who 'spoke last but one thought the more ad visable. , • Lord Hot.t.ANtn spoke at sotue length in ,support of the ResolutiOns, and argned against several of the leading points of the Noble ',Lad at the head of the Treasury. He insisted upon the. necessity of a strict and rigid system of economy in ev er y bra . nth of the public expenditure, and .said, the fact of a Committee of Inquiry, : being appointed by the other Howe of Parliament was flu reason for their Loidships not adopting the Resolutions now proposed by Noble Friend. ' 'rile question - being Called for, the House di videci, when there uppeated— Contents (for the Iteseltition*) Not contents (fur the ptcciotts tintltion) 45 hiojurity Adjourned till to-tuoyrow. • • ---40 lIOUSB OF COMMONS. General Timezn-o:v postponed. his motion re spectinz the deUlleatinn is the `A - stessed Taxes, , 'owing to the absence 'nf rrp.niti abtba:l, from to 7 itiori*.,- to Wefhteitlay the Mr. Dickti•lNSON e notice, that ;on Titutday he would Wove for leave 10 bring in ti : Bill•to able the Magistrates at tile Qrtartvr Sessions to regulate the fees of the Clerks of the On the motion' of Air. BF.NNRTT, the name of Air. MAppocxs was added to the ColtiMitte on the State of the Police of the Metropolis. Mr. JOHNSON, from the °dice of the Chief .5.:e-- cretary for It eland, presented a return of : 111e mun t . ber of taxable articles of Which 'notice Of discon'.. thmance had been served on the Commissioners' Of Luise Ireland.—Ordered to be laid au the table, Mr. LustuNoToN brought tip an account of the convictions und e r the /Lottery Acts within the last fourteen months.-prdered to be printed. The Indemnity . was repotted, and ordered to be read a third time to-morrow. A Petition was presented from the Governors of the York Lunatic Asylum, praying to be ex empted from the operation of the Bill now in the flouse, for the Regulation of 'Madhouses. The • SPEAKUR said, th,e course proper to be pursued in such a case was to petition for leave to bring in a private Bill, or to shew reason for making exemptions in their favour in the Bill now in the Ilouse.--The Petitiow was withdrawn. REFORM IN PARLIANIENT. Sir W. Genuv presented a Petition from the Comity of. Kent, praying for Itetrenclunent and Reform. - Sir E. ligniCillttiLL objected to the Petition being received as that of the County of Kent, lle admiited it to have been signed by the High Sheriff ) tool believed it to be-really the Petition of the Freeholders who had attended the meeting tt which it was voted,. and he did not Oppose its being received as the Petition of these individuals ; hut be could not consent to its being kid on the table as the Petition of the County. The SPeAKeR said, Petition 3 from all corporate bodies must have the corporation seal affixed to them, or they could only be regarded as the peti tions of individuals. Sir W. Gently stated the petition to have been voted at a full and fair county meeting, and he Considered it to express the sense of the comity on the topics it embraced. Mr. CALE:RAPT spoke in favour of the petition,. and criticised the opp os i t i on g i ven to i t by 'the., Hon. Baronet., Sir E. KNATCIIBUI.L denied that be had opposed the petition,'and called upon the Hon: Goaleari m to recant the assertion that he had made.. lie' neither assented to nor dissented from it, but he objected to the petition of certain individuals be ing received as that of the county of K. nt. Mr. CALcitAtrr tins, glad to find the lion. lb ronet was ventral on this OCC4BIOII, and hoped from this circumstance he might,.ar some future period, come over to the friends of Reform, TbeSreAtteit said, the _House must, from this , ,eoilversation, feel the importance of adioning to the established rule of considering the petitions presented to them to be those of the individuals by whom they 'wefe signed. If this were no t acted upon they w ou ld not know whose petitions' they were called upon to receive. ' Sir C. Moser( yeas of opinion, though in form this was only the petition Of the 61(11611'111s who hid signed it, in fact it was dial Of the county meeting. Mr. LUSIIINGTON slated his . Hun. Friend (Sir E. Knatchhull) to have admitted the. Petition to be that of the meeting, but not of the county. He concurred in this view of the subject, a he believed the general fettling of.the county of Kent to be very much against it. P ‘ ousobtav wished to know, [IS this Poi. tion was denied to he that of the county, Whether the other acts of •the meeting were to be 'consi dered us the acts of individuals ? Would it he denied, for instance, that the Address to a le Prince Regent, and _the Vote of Thanks to the Marquis of Camden for laying dow►► his over- grown sinecure, were the acts of N enmity meet ing. He did not expect to hear any one assert this, and he thought it was not very decorous to speak of the Petition as some Gentlemen had done. Sir E. KNATCHBVLL said, perhaps the night Honourable Gentleman did not know ici 'whit manner the county meetings were usually con vened. It was common to make the intende d meeting known to all parties whEi [night be sup posed to feel interested in At. As one of the County Members, be might have expected that au application world have been made to him to attend. None such however had been made, and most of the leading characters in the county had been treated in the same way, Some however he knew had been applied to,' who had' refused to sign the requisition. ' Sir W, Gentty said he had beard of the intended meeting lung before it took place. The requisi tion had been very respectably /signed ; themeet ing was a full and fair one, and in his.opioion it expressed the spirit of the county. • Mr.CaLcuArr. observed, in what bad fallen from the lion, Baronet on the subject of his not' having been 'applied to, that it was oot :common-on st!ch occasions to send a requisition roun d to more than a few persons wlio were believed to be, friendly to the object. of the intended meeting. SUCII a thin. , was never thou g ht o f, The petition was read, and ordered to lie • on. the table. SAVING BANKS. Mr. ROSE moved that the Order of the Day fur the House going into a Committee on the Saving Banks' Bill sholtdd be read. He stated one great difficulty which had hitherto been in the wayof such institutions was the fhtetnations of the Funds, He was of opinioti! it would be of gresti import ance to secure the property deposited in Saving Batiks from any such finctuatiOns, and in the hope that some plan might lie devised to effect this, lie' moved that the Committee should be postponed till Monday sesnuight...--The motion was agreed to. Alessengers from the Lords brought down the Treasonable Practices Bill with Atne.ntlinents,.] wliich, on the motion of Lord CASTLBRItAGR,) WAIT ordered to b e ta k en i nto cons i deratiOn to• inorrow. For Vie Remainder of the Proceedingg Of the Mule of Comwuni, see the Last Page, 'FR E'N CO .P4PAS :1 he Civil Tribunal of Meaux has just prono►►nc ed on the subject of a Report relative to the exe cution of a lease which M. Fonch6, banished by the law of Jan. 12, 1816, and deprived by that sitme law of his civil rights, had not been able to render valid in the process, as the guardian of his own children, being minors. The appeal upon this decision will be carried immediately before the Ittiyal Court. It having been announced in a NTie nna Journal, that Conant Hardegg had departed for Milan on the 15zh ult, it was expected that the Archduke Anthony, who had been named Viceroy, would inimediately hini into Italy. The printer Patris, at whose. house a Work had been seized., entitled, Upon the Anm.esty, grant ed to the Soldiers who followed the King to Ghent," has ,been arrested. Several detachments of Russian troops have al ready left France to return beyond the Rhine. MARCH G.—His Majesty .continues to enjoy good health , and would for some day; past have taken his' usual .drives if the weid h r had per mitted. He yesterday transacted business with the Ministers of. Foreign Relations,' of Justice, of the Marine, of War, and of ,the Interior. MARCH 7,—A. variety of Bulletins present suc; 'cessive accounts of the Duchess of Be i ri's health (luring her malady. The result is highly satisfac tory, tire measles taking R natural turn. 'We are assured that, in the Seerlt 'Committee of yesteiday, a proposition wal made, the object of %dile!) was to form an entrepot of colonial pro duee at ' The Govetnment 'of .113Sle has passed an ()Mi. 'nonce on the subject of Emigration. In future no one, will be permitted to emigrate till his mo ,Oyes be investigated. No p3ssport will be granted to any petson who cannot prove that he possesses adequate funds for his journey, and that lie has dkchirged every debt and obligation that he Gad contracted in his own Country. It is nor true, as has been stated ) that orders had been issued to arrest the Bishop of Gloit : that firehite has only recei v ed a Mandal de Corn_ parution, before a Counsellor of the Superior Court (M. 'Vander I.telen), and the day of his ap pearance is the . 4th of March. The Duke of Orlemis is ,going to . Lcindou to fetch the Duchess, aud' is expected to retu r n in a few (lays. According to a Royal Ordinance, all ncws pal►ers and periodical works can ouly appear by the authority of the King. The lawlxpires an the Ist of January, 1818. We learn from all parts of France, that the dif• ferent crops upon the ground present the mos favourable appcnrauces. FuNDs.l—Five per Cent. Consols, O 1 f. 60 c. FLANDERS MAIL " MAncu 4. Preparations arc making in the Church of the Aognstincs for the baptism of the young Prince, which is fixed for the 24th of this month. " Our Tribunals are going soon, to be employ- . ed itt disetts3ions of very different kinds. ,On the 7th, the Correctional Tribunal is to be employed in the affais of, the Fiditor and Publisher of The Ghent Journal. On the I I th, the Court of Cana. tiOn will decide on - the competency of the Special Court in.the affair of M. l'Abbe de, Foere : ' soon after the Same Tiihtinal will be called upon to de eide between tlu LiLero/ and the True Liberal (the authors tif tbe•Nain Jaune and the illercure Sur veillant, who hatfjoined to write the Liberal, have quarrelled, and are now mutually abusing. each other.) Besides these, other actions for calumny are talked of, which will delight the' malicious, and amuse the curiosity .of the public. The parties ore in presence of each other, as the Liberal lately obserVed very justly; but instead of revolutions, anarchy, and the overthrow of 'States., which it prophesied, there will: be. hr . these commotions only ink' spilt, instead of blood, pens for arms, lawyers for auxiliaries, and , speetators to laugh at so many foolish inicoities." . e are desired to stale, that the Second 'Num ber of the Correspondent was pub! 11,e,1 this day. and embraces the following ,iihjects of John Wesley. —State of the . Press in .France.— Nepali! War.—Staie of Education hi F Present State 'of the Drama in Englawl.—Sta enct te Of the I.4ts's in Franee.—Parliamentary Reform. —Eloge Docis...—Political Assceiations in Ger maity..-Proceedings Of the Chamber of Deputies, stud un (he Duchess of Angoulerne, Itis, Ilwsett 5.--LiVe are assured Aka his Alajesty has Intimated to the Ilfeinbets the Chamber of Deputies, That 'the labours of this . Session tvOlild soon tertninate. After the discus sion nn the Budget, the Chamber will occupy it self with. the .lath upOn Exchanges, and the law upon the Boremy of Fenestranges. It is thought that the consideration of the law upon the re sponsibility of Ministers will be deferred till next Session, ~-=--~` T .1 Tit I c 1. AL I fllt Pci:iltkiej tot Siktt• 1)u rtY-I;axt.-lannct : Principal tharatcrs 'and M:. .16 Sunit:nine. titer which, Frighten`!" - AIMI , s. • ARRI V pl--2 France, Flandei,, d Gottcubilr,ll, Dui:— I Holland, I Gottenburgl), Itnetrurglis and Jersey, IVat el ford. : 11 avynie. Stoc k, Cent. er tt.. t ri ; TOIS LIAY Ar ul►"~r1. r .; per (b ut . Cons.. 4 p►•r Ctilits. HIGH WATER AT LONDON DRIDGF, s° Muruing, 47 minutes after 10. j ~reiung~ THE - SUN. t • ""•""" " " " " " 40LEA1 QUis viCENE YALsUIi .LONDOS, WEDNESDAY, 11141BC11 12, r---iigi.-0-----..................-----.„...--- Fenn) the frlimeheiter , rtl coiNturioNs AT of 1 , have copied the following ample occ'4 Treasonable- Proceedings at rio t r ijfl ' i private Friend we are also indebted WI tiler particulars contained in the anneted " Tl,ii. looks Rebellion." --- ri d ti , MANCHESTER, MAnca 10, SiJ gIP. , Plerchry oi 1"` - To-day the Reformers 11 ere bay latil4t'' and most desperate effort. About 100.1' were assembled in the fields, near litC /I Cliu s rell (MVIEW to !While nn of P f ill off -hy the tire streets), nearly 30,006 peo°l)sl : is 1 ""iellse number were merely sl'e ctlk ; the remainder, ihree.fonrths w ere kr tkc i ;i, country. About I I o'clock near 1)1) . ' l O accoutred with knapsack., a wl 111 4 n kct ' l ' o i great south *road, rile le ' trc,.,i, il'i7ioii beA ring a petition ; lbcir o pie , ".° kli) , l. rstood, London. Ittl ur ot i 11"" were tuarclictl back under ilo c6c [ i iam now wilting, 200 mare of Pt ei vestry, an I - • , 4, AIv ly lodged inder''' kor 60% 0 ,, , gentry al e march ; , 114 i n un der th e ,. 5 4, ,ft l'he remaindrr of them, 1 unikoron ._, i 6' l °' P_ lett IY dispersed. The town iii c . 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