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considered this 'only peel tetly heettit able to the general charaßer of this country, but as! I , analogous' to. its Constitution. When it was told' . Foreigners that all the distributive justice of the' Country was administered by men not in the -pro fession of the law, but by. Magistrates who lent • their • services to the. Public for this purpose, they' were :astonished at a praeticeso different from that which: obtained. on the Continent. No ,one, he* believed, however, would venture to tell- fain - that the profession of the laW in Great Britain ;was eon taininetedby this practice. It was not arguedthat the Volunteers were equal .to the Regular Army, nor did-he so understand the Reports on the Teble, which stated that they Were - competent to a& with thee Line. Alithat'Was contended for was; that they were itesuch 'a state of diScipline es to aid, and not disconceet; the:Rea - 111Sr Army . ; tocoMmunicate health to them e and not disease.. He wished that the same' words ,I with the same limitation, andebesainejostice, refight seine' time fienee applied to the Right Honourable Gentleman's masse. The Right Hon. .Genftemen seemed tie set 'out With a - determination of reversing `not the ptieciples - of his predecessors, but' the "application of them: Where cenipelsion had been used, " here;"' sayehe, " eve - must 'have volt/bully 'service 3" 'and 'Where voluntary serviee had heen established, be thoughe'comptilsion More'eligie The - Rielft Hon. Gentleman wee"goin'a.o-etoepro pose a compulsion' more - violent than' the - Coun'tfy ad experietteed for' Many ' years, by . celling•out his masse; andethis after the servites'of so many Voloo-: Leers had berm tendered and accepted: He preferred,. it seemed, the mode - of proceeding which created the gee-meet compulsion, and produced 'the least:sere vice. Ballot Wee - to•be lied' recourse to; and , the Right Hob. Geotlemati . said that he was no - enemy to the Voltinteee Ektablishment, which he - wished p' to keep by this Ballot. Raw ?. The Right Ilen. Gentleman' certainly could not - mean to subje& to the Ballot Viehoffeers who exercised 'their undoubted right of quitting the COrpgeto eyelid] . therbelonged, The Ballotevas for" the purpose' of gaining: men loosely; an iedivictual:wheehatt been for some time . in a Volunteer' Corps - could "not' by anyeneaffe' be supposed to - stetted in' need of any, training of - this de- stription. H&w, the - ref - dm could the Right' Heine Gentleman expe& w niainteie' the VOlunteere by' the - operatlereof the Ballot. If it . Nr4S intended:to' subjeCt those - who quitted their Corps to the Ballot, this - appeared - tb him to be - s 0 greee an' aft - of' injus-• tice; that he shanid hie:self propose a'Clatise to pre e - Vent it. Now with regard to this'reessethat was - to 'be called out; several qteestiorte'.aeose, as how they - Were - to be -trained?' how combined ? and.whither were 'they to go'? To rind` Officers for the purpose' eoftraittingethein would be - cliff - lath' if mot impossible. The Officers of the second Battalions.of the Rectal:lr .111-my had been mentioned for' the perpose, but of! - the. 57. Second Battalions, 00 'were. only 366. strOtig,. Arid the remaining 27 were not at-all Officered. BUt supposing that they could .be trained,' whither were they .afterwards.tit go'? - . How - would it'be possible' to keep a, registeeofeeeeeo,oonnames a-year ; Willa in . sbe years Would amount to twelve hundred-thou ' sand; go as - to enable Government to lay their hands ' upon them, . immediately on their 'being wented . ?— The nature and the objeEt of 'eheir training would likewise be matters of.consideration. If they were only to" be - employed in popping at the Enemyfeem over hedges and behind ditches; no training would: belrequirecl—but if, as' had been stated by the Right Hon. Gentleman', they' were to be takee into ;flee ,• ranks' of the • Regular Army; he wished' to' know•' whether there was a single Commanding Officer, who; having ibst coo'men, would not much rather go into' battle again -with his "shattered Battalions' as they were; than see' them filled up With men, who, from their inadequate discipline, must create the eutenoSt confileion.? - The House must -well . remem ber the obleenyehat vas cast on the measure of drafting from time Militia to Regular Regiments when' the Expedition. to Holland, teok' place ; yet how infinitely superior must the Mae be to the peasant; who should only be iteieed fere/3 days in the year! 'And-yet this' leose and inefficieettraininee would he an annual =expel - ce to the Country of '260;0001: A large' sum ' had' been laid out in the disciplining of the Volunteers ; a sum, indeed, nearly', equal to 'one' year's receipt - of the' Income Tax . ; and now the advaritagesaecruing from that system' were 'to be hastilfabandoned. This was the more obnoxious to the VolUnteers; as more than half that sum had proceeded immediately from their Own pockets. - Anotheedonsideretion Was the kiiid of encouragement- which Was to be held out to the - indivlduals whoeceMposed the masse : he' had no' doubt that they would aCt bravely; every English man did so ; but certainly it was mighty alluring to Say tothem—wYou will never' be' called oil until a vacancy" occurs ;" in other 'Nvords, " until the man is shot whose place you are to supply." These men too were tint to be regimentally clothed ; so that as they entered- . the ranks, they would- meet with a Proclamation from the Enemy; that all men *taken in arms, and not regiller soldiers, should un e dergo military execution. It was not likely, after every allowance had been made for their courage, that these men could display any great' zeal under such circumstances 3' nor was the objea itself at all desirable. He. thought that it had been argued on all heeds . , that of numerical force the Country pos seseed enough, and that the only difference existed eas to its nature and distribution. It 'was- singular - that the Right Hon. Gentleman should have de ' 'claimed so loudly against a variety of force when he was on the' opposite side, Of the House, and now he was a Minister', that he - should • divide the Regular" Atmy into two distin& classes, and add another species' of voluntary force ! The. Right Hen: Gentleman must have!fourid in' his Office a. plan' fOr colleaieg a yery coesiderable Arnie' at any. time round London in four days, well armed, clothed, and fit for immediate service ; and yet to this he preferred his Masse, which was only to aa-, and af ter London was destroyed, to serve as a kind of Post obit' on the. Metropolis. The Right Gen tleman in detailing his plan' had stated, that the Houeewould find nothing in it but the application of the principles which he had before maintained.: he confessed- that. to him this was no recommenda tion—he should have been' better pleased' had he stated, that the plan was a coetradietion of those principles. It would be perhaps worth while, liow ever; to examine how. fare this assertion was corre&, .by recalling to the attention of the House the prin ciples ut held by that Right Hon. Gentleman. He had' fortunately such a happy talent of marking, his ele`- . tVay fantlVl atatteiis arguM4l`. • Were forgotten, the rethembranee of those illastra-; tions would easily reCall•them to the mind.' ..As. ha e d been said of th 6. great" Pericles, , " he left ,a sting in the ears of his - audience..." A le\V - Of ~ theseillostrations, , and those only, . enahred- lith to. recoiled the arguments - with, which the t ßigbt 1 - 10 - ; Gentleman accompanied them , .. -"Mien .speaking of the disadvantages of: ballot, every:one - mist re;- ni4inber that the Right tiourable - - Gentleman ridi ctiled it, under the ideal that one to whom the lot might fall, would, in seeking about for a substitute ; be like Diieid - Siiiip/e . looking 'about for friends— lauglo,-;,=-11e.'humotously 'compared the two dis tin& modes of recruiting-to the story of the man who having.made a large hple in his door for the ad mission of his large cat, afterwards caused a .smaller one to be - cut for th i e' entrance of her kitten. On the transfusion of men from one Corps to another, the Right- Hon. Gentleman had bestowed a super abundance of wit : he bad called it a resemblance to • decanting ; then to distilling; afterwardS to the c* pilliary tubes; andlastly to the lobby of the House of Commons. Strange as it was, it was not the less true, that after all .these happy strokes of imagina tion; the Right Hon. Gentleman. had 'been driven to the necessity of using in his own operations the' apparatus on 'which he had formerly: exhausted his , pleasantry. The Ballot . he had re-established, ac companied by its old friend, Fine. The various modes of recruiting were exemplified in different parts of his system, a's was also the transfusion. In shOrt, not a single principle that he had reprobated .:escaped Alia adoption. : He was far from thinking ‘j that by thus doing, the Right Hon. Gentleman pre ;eluded -himself from forming a, good plan. By mis , .placing theseprinciples, however, he certainly had in, , ,his: opinion completely failed. - .With- regard to the Additional. Force Ad, he by no means considered it as perfect; he was convinced that• many of its pro visions and etiadments might be 'amended; but he contended that its principle was of sterling worth.— however, it had failed in its effed,which he 'positively denied; let it be reeolleEted, that his late Right Honourable Friend, 'in framing, it, had to contend with difficulties which - the Right Honoura ble, Gentleman seemed to think lightly of. His.. Right Hon. ,Friend did not.proposesimply toinarease the. British Army, but 'to produce as. great an effi- - cient FOrce in thedOrintry as the Constitution would - pert - nit, The Right Honourable Gentleman only to increase the Regular Army without at tending at all to the principles of the Constitution. His task was therefore much easier—and thinking as lie did of the Additional Force Ad he must not flatter himself - that- be had : sent the bow to which the strength of his great predecessor was unequal. , What the Right Hon. Gentleman wanted vented' to' • be to fasten on us a Regular Army, which should be permanent in - Peace and dissoluble in which. should' possess strength enough to be dan- Scions to the Constitution, and fragility enough to be unserviceable to the Country.. It was impossi ble not to recollect : that no term of reproach or contumely had been ,s'pared by.the Right Hon. Gen tlemati, when - he Conceived• that, his Right Hon. Friend's Plan had ,not .succeeded. He might nay retaliate—fOr certain he was that all the Right Hon. Gentlernan's endeaYoUrs had proved fruit less--41iat hia'Mountain'had brought forth a mouse.. - The. House would do well to pause ,before they 'agreed to abandon the Ad froM which such benefit had been 'deriYed, for a crude undigested plan, of which nothing was known but the danger. .If the measures prOposed by the Right Honourable' Gen tleman would produce / large unbalanced Regular Arniy, - was that what the Country wished 'for ? Some-people seemed to think it utterly impossible - . - thattheCOuntry could have Regular Aviv • enough. He was not one'of those. He wished for as large an Army alone as was Sufficient to•defend our shores, and not enough to overwhelm our liberties.— He should' betontent with security at home,. and respedabilityabroad. He was far front wishing that a measure should be fastened on the Country which the Government wOuld - notcarry into effect; but he Certainly wished that the House should, by their vote, skew that they.did not think the RightiHon. Gentleman's plan all-sufficient as a substitute, unless '.it were very considerably altered frorn what it had been stated by him. That point established, he . would himself be the first to move, that the Addi= tiara' Force - A& shotild - be referred to.a Committee, for, the purpose of adding to what was defedive, and corre&ing what was 'erroneous, and he would then willingly abandon it altogether, if it were foundin ' ferior to-the amended plan of the Right HonL Gen tleman. He would - Move, therefore, " That for the word". now," in the original Motion, be substituted the words " ti,tis 7 day4hree-weeks." . Mr. WIL BERFORCE complimented the night Hon. Gent. on the very extraordinary talents which he had just displayed. ,He thought, however, that in the question before the House, viz. whether the Additional Force A& should, or should not be re= pealed, helad said but little. To - this point, there fore; he should confine his own observations. As an independent Member of Parliament, unconneded with any patty, he felt it his duty- to vote for the repeal of the Bill, because he thought it vicious in its principle, and impotent -.hi its operation. OU . this - subje& lie had' obtained information from those who were better qualified to judge of it thanhimself. ' Those whose knowledge enabled them to 'make an accurate estimate of its merits ; even those who ori ginally were prepossessed in its favour, now declared that the Bill had been utterly unprodtidiye. He had applied-to several of the most experienced Magistrates in the'East Riding and the West Riding of York shire. The - former was thinly - inhabited, the latter was very populous, they were therefore udder dif ferent,. and indeed opposite circumstances, yet similar answers'hadbeemeturned from both Distrids. In the East Ruing hip had been told that not one man was obtained; in the West Riding, thatithadcOmpletely liesubsequently heard, that in the North Rid:4g also not a single individnal. had been procured by the operation of the Mt. 'He had afterwards.. written to a friend of his, a - very a&ive Magistrate in SOmersetShire. From him le - learned, that in the Bath distrid, which ought to have produced fifty four.men, not a single-man - ha - dien - raised. It was true that this total failure did not every where take place ; but one of the strongest objedions which he entertained : against the-AC was, that it depended for its' efficiency upon its infringement, - that was, that where men.had - been-raised at all, they - had. not been locally raised by parishes, as was the intention of 1 . 45 but by the ord'inaty .iffet . hoa of re 'c;ytit:itb,these Just-and solid grounds' he 7 drought that it 'ought to be repealed,- :From' the long : exporienee which hehad of the:condata of the illu's trious charaeter who was•'! : the author -of this Bill, was convinced that had he lived he would have been the first,persou to propose at least a substantial alte , -- ration in it, if not a total repeal of it. It was one CharaCteristic of that great .man, Well deserting, of adiniratiOn,that although hefrequentbr,..in the for mation of. his measures, trusted 'solely- to the re • • • • som.* of his own _capacious Mind, upheld-by the! dignity - of conscious reaitude, yet, that when he was convinced that these measures were erroneous, hn abandenedlliem,'regardless ofthe accusations which were direCted against hiin of inconstancy .and incon, sistency, and .readily adopted others of a 'different de , : scription. It was this that rendered' him one of the safest Mihisters that this Country ever saw; and the' real confidence that he thus acquired :amply repaid him fdr.the.homiliation, if ; it might be so termed, which a.retrograde motion ,seemed in the first in , stance to incur. Returningto the question before the House, he declared that in his'opinion the Bill called. on_ men to furnish what it Was impossible they Could furnish. That the Measure had been highly service able, as'. having adord'ed much useful intbraiation, and many valuable hints, no one could deny. It had thrown a -strong light on the best mode of procedure. He concurred with the Right Hon. Gentleman who • had just. sat down,, on the danger to the Constitution which attended - the intrOdaCtion or forniation of 'a large standing Army, •but• he did not think that that Right, lion. Gentleman had stated the argument ; fairly. Let it be remembered that the levy en.masse, however slight might ,be its training, Would in time accuStom: the whole ,populatien of the Country to arms ; and they. would thus be enabled to withstand a regular ariny, and aft as a check upon it. Besides, the nuMber -Who, according to the Right Honour able Secretary's plan, must, after the expiration of seven years from the present time, go out of the Regu lar Army Annually,l,youid by mixing with the people, . very considerably increase their strength. He could not but - be of opinion; that we were too much dis posed to think ourselves a military nation, and to . depart from our true and proper chardaer, by which we had attained to our present greatness.., He thought we ought to endeavour to Preserve no rhore ,of the military -.charaCter than'what Was sid-•, ficient to enable us , .to ...maintain, ,a„reV:e6table rank among the nations of Europe. There were other ways in which We could oecaSiohally'assist out' 'Continental Allies, besides.that of Sendingthem large bodies of Troops. Above all,, let us not think of ri valling the French as ainilitary.people:, Some parts of the plan proposed by the Right Han. Sebretary he highly. disapproved. He diffeted -widely from him about the Volunteers. He trusted that he Woyld . consider this part of_ the .snbieCt - with fairness, and'- not 'allow himself to -be So bigotted to hiS Own opi: nion,as to' refuse to•listen to any qualification of a system which certainly in itself possessedmany tages. In several instances the Volunteers had sheWh' the most praiseworthy spirit an d 'alacrity. - Ofian alarm being accidentally given on the CoaSt in the Nadi Riding of Yorkshire; all-the Volunteers-in . the WeSts Riding were called ; out. The utmost promptitude' was.displayed, and on no occasion did such numbers attend their' posts in , 80 short a time, scarcely a man being Avanting. When the Right Hon. Secretary allowed, that .the levy en - masse would serve to re crUlt the ranks of. the Regular Army, he would Scarcely contend, that , the Volunteers would not be much better qualified for that plfrpose. Mr. LONG defended the-measure proposed to be repealed at some length,.and contended that it would not be wise to give up a-Bill which produced; to a certain extent, before they knew what was to be sub stituted for it. He then took a view of the zeal and spirit with which the Volunteers had Come forward. at the commencement of thepresent War. When put upon the August allowances, eighteen of them might be kept ny for the expellee 9f one foot soldier.— The training of the Levy en masse, he was sure, could not be renderecLetfeClual Without giving great powers to the persons employed in training them He recollected, when the_events- of the French Revo , lution had giVen rise tO inquiries into the theory of the foundation of all Governments, that a motion had been made in that House fora Reform of the Re presentation of the People, and that a Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Windham) had observed on the occasion, " What ! will you repair your house whilst the hurricane is raging about you ?" He should ap ply the Right - Hon. Gentleman's maxim to himself, and ask, " What!! will you new model the struau're of your Army whilst the hurricane is still raging about you •?': If the Ballot should be once given up; it could not afterwards be resorted to with effect; and if the Plan of the Right Hon. Gentleman should Sail, the failure would endanger the vital interests,' nay the existence olthe Country. - -Mr. HiltrrHoliN having voted in the'first in stance against the Bill now proposed to be repealed, and having voted last Session against its repeal, felt it necessary to state the grounds of his vote this . It Was admitted on all sides of,the House to he an obje& to augment and , increase the regular torte;. and with a view tq this objet; he should'vote • for the repeal of this Bill, because'it had completely, and totally failed. The Hon. Gentleman has catered into' an examination of the comparative statements of the military force- of 'the Country at different pe riods,' made by a. NOble Lord (Castlereagh) on a former night, with a view to prove the efficiency of the measures of the late Administration. He con"- tended, that in the place of taking , the amount of the Military Force of the Country on the Ist of January, 1804, and comparing that with the amount of thelorce on the Ist of January, 1806, the No ble Lord ought to-have-taken it at the period - of the Ist of July, 1804. The Honourable Gentleman contended, that 'on the Ist. of July, 1804, the whole of the force was 246,419, and that it'was on •the • Ist of January, 1806, but 25,995 ; being an in : crease•of 13;533- only, for 'the late Administration had no right to take credit for the addition of five or six thousand to our ForeigkTthops, which Was the :only advantagethlit had , Uteri. derived from therm fortunate .Expedition to Hanover. By- a ,reference- to' a Paper on the Table,. he contended, that; if what had been held out as the expe4ted Operation , of the measure had been acCompliiihed, it should have: produced on the Ist of Oiaober, 1805, 41,4 - 1.5',. and. ' that the total of Men raised. by 'the' Bill was only 12,925,- of which only 6,50 betti raised for Englund and Wales, and- ay inore.of ttlat,nutn-, • • •. ~ • •• ber than 39 by 'Parish Oilieeti. In this looked upon the, Bill to have totally failed'. th, - ,1 -proceede;.l to SheW', from the 4iherent documents that had been laid on the Table, thai , the Men raised iandar 'this . Bill had been' .procured by criMp.i; and. by" - splicing - the two' Liounties,;"that after the:limited service, and that for volunteering into the bine, by, Which means the regular recruiting was de;rauded-, and the 'men obtained • at' an' 'enormous - epence; with great inconvenience and conpiderable ditfiCalties to the CPtintry - . ' - • •-•`. Mr, Lz/SCA'LLES', as he differed from his Hon. Colleague in the vote tie Meant to give,..thonght- it `necessary to State his reasons far voting as he should `do' on - this occasion. : He 'agreo;lioweer, with his Eon. Colleague; that the' men could not:be' raise' `as 'the Aa. - clirea§.- Yet he should not.fote for peat, because the' Right Hon. Gent. had bi = onglit for- Ward the measure forits repeal in - conjUnLlon with other measures, until. he'should be able to, Judge ut 'those other rpeasures. The question was ot, whct ther this. Bill W'Ll to be'cOntinned, but villether the House should give it up•befOre they kne iv what wai to be Sustituted for it. For his o•,vn - pin he should not agree to' give up: anylneasure procinced :a 'supply t 6 the Military • Fcirce' of the Utiun try for - the theories of any Right Hen•Gnt. He (id not Mean to anticipate yhat maybe the ineasuri:s - to be produced 'by the Right Hon - . Gentleman, but:shouid say . ; that :from his opening statement ref t h - em, tbeynppeared to hint extremelyi dingerons, .extromeiy 'to 'the Volunteers; and extremAy iiietfc.:':tn,ll as to the training - of the - Levy en Masse: 1t tiie Bill propos:- ed to be iepearedhadMot prodUced men; it certainly had not produCed 'agitation, fernient; and apprehen sion in every - part of the' Country. Lord EUSTON said a fey words hi so low.a . tone . aS to be inaudihle to the gallery ,hut, as nearly as•we could colleCt, the suh - stanee of them were hi favour of the Amendment. Mr. GEORGE VANSITT.' Rl' thought that the question JO be considered was; whether the ..1 3 rish Officers should be called - upon• to find.the meivi And ' whether the penalty of . .261. should belel,ied-fir each man whom the Parish' Officers really could hot pro .cure. This vas an aft . of injustice, which he Was sitre.the . Honse would not tolerate. There could no advantage derived from the employment - of the . Pariiir Officers; the swine number i.vould be • ob *nine& by the regular Recruiting Officers'. Besides„ the Parish . Officers had their own thi:ies to: pet Tn the'Countyt'vhich heihad the honour to represent; every encouragetnent • been . givenlss procure the men. Though every exertion had been.made in that County (Berkshfre) arid - up tOlbe-tiftkqf lak month, only eleven men been raised. Mr. SPENCER ,7 1 2,4A1HOPEr: had, no.: doubt., Many, obje&ions to the Bill, the repeal - of which had • teen moved ' but still he would Contend, that it bad 'not fair pkty. i As to the Other . topics 'that Were - to .follOW; in' consequence Of. the . general'pLui 4 the Itigh(Fton:Gentrernan, he should have thOuglat that Right Hon. Gentleman .the last Mat to propose a limited service. *HOw Often has be disclaimed against 'the ill effeels of stich a'sy'steM; 'as:manite§t. jn the: Militia. In ,short, he thOught :the plan in con teMplaiion .went to • tariver with* the:Militia, to tamper with the LeVien Ntasie, to tainpor Aith the Volunteers,. and:with: the whcile of litary Establishment. With reSped•tb,:the' (Ann= teers, be thought•it would be A gross - violation cif the-public-faith, :more especially after 'the. solemn vote of thanks-whichibad paSsed that :House in their favour. • • • Mr. ROBERT THORNTON said a few words in fai , roar of thelepeal of the. Bill. • ' .• ' Mr. BAS' ARD wAs .sensible, that many 2 of the objealions to the Bili were well founded ; he should not therefore oppose its repeal; but ,he !lad not made up his Mind to vote for all' the other measures . which the Right Hon. Gentleman:proposed to ernbrace.— There was much in the Plan which he condemned,. and which he could not helptensiderink•as a libel oti the Army, the Militia and the Volunteers. As to the Volunteers, it.was an ill' requital indeed for all the zeal and enthusiasm they had displayea, to be told, all depended upon the Army alone; as appeared from the result of the battles of Aireng - o and of Austerlitz: Mr. S. BOURINE complained of themanuec, not , _ Only in which the Defence' , Bill had been' argued against, but also against the general tendency of the proposed 'military plan. It proposed no substitute for retaining, the men raised by thataienture, the contrary, it would let the' whole 'of that force moulder away: In proof of the'efficacy of the Bill in some respe&s, he quoted a passage of a letter from the Inspeaing Officer at Berkthire; to the:Se+ cretary of State. Besides, he could never bring;him self to believe that it was a proper mode of raiSing - a tnilitary \force . to endeavour to reduce it. to one deno mination. It' should be fashioned to various call- • ings and propensities ;_ to local habits and facilities; in a word, to the geniuS and chara6ter of the Coun try for whose defence and prote6tion it was raised. - Lord ,DE .BLAQUIERE Supported the Amendment. General NowroN said a few: words ; but in so low tone as.not'to be audible in' the - galleiy. Mr. C. DUNDA,S, Lord STANLEY,. and Mr. GOLD ING, spoke in favour of the original Motion. The cry " question—question"—being very urgent and generql, the House divided:on Mr'. Can . - ning's - amendment, • Ayes. -.- Noes - 235 • When strangers were re-admitted into the Gallery, • we found . . , Lord CASTLEAEAGII on his legs ; answering ; it Would seem, some observatious thathad fallen from Mr. .Windhatn, and:. expressaig a wiSh'to• know when it - was the intention - of the Right. Holiourable Gentleman to bringforward the remaining part's of 'his plan. Mr. FOX repithated the manner in which the Motion - of hi§ . Right Hon. Friend had been:discuss ed'. Scarcely any thing was urged.in support of the. Bill which the Motion went to repeal * , Tliere.seem ed to . bea general shyness to touch upon' that point, while a heap of objections was accumelated against measures which. were not at all under discussion and at this condua he could not help expressing his surprise. CANNING obserYedi, that the .stirpri§(3.-ex ..presse4l by the Right Hen. ,Secretary was- pertly erratuitous : for what. mode of 'discussion could be more natural and fair than to take up those topics whithiwere to folla consetinen ceof the measure mt. proposed, of which- that measure seernittQ.l)e ate; basis, or the introaudiom. What. ccuild,