The Sun. — London, England, 1817-03-06 00:00:00

be secs th'it illicit Ylistillcttlon was rarat'd On to u vet y gee-.t extort. It the legal diirillers were stopped, an additional inducement would be given to illicit distillation, and a greater consumption 0' grain in diJtillation would be the consequence, at it was calculated, Iron') want of skill, and from imperfect inachinery, the illegal distiller consumed one-third More grain dial] the legal tlistiller, to produce le given tplantby of spirits. Under these eircumstauces to go into be inquiry proposed, could answer Ito good purpose; and any Bill the lion Gentlerrrrn might bring in would bar useletZs, unless it pas'sed tliroirgb all its stages at once. As one proof that the 'ptefent scarcity bad been fore seen, and in some measure 'provided for by the Government, he begged In Lly corn froni America, Hotter an order front the Treasury, was permitted to be imported into, frelaud. Sir J. NEWPORT bad no difficulty sayiog, if it could he sitewn that there was any doubt of pro curing a sufficiency of provisions for the people of Ireland, all-other considerations, however im por.aut in themselves, ought to give way till this danger bad been averted. Before he heard the Right Honourable Gentleman, he had had some doubts on the propriety of permitting the distilld tints from grain to go on, because he did not know what quantity of the year's stock hatl been distill ed ; but, after what the Right I Inaionr4ble Gen tleman had blared, he must agree' with hint, that any such measure could not materially increase, but otigt.t considerably diminish the quantity of human food in Ireland. The difference beivveen the prices of corn in Ireland was indeed quite conclusive on this point. Such 4 Vriritiy us had been stand to exist' could not have been found, if a large petition of the grain in the country was not unfit for humito food. To stop the distilleries, therefore, would he to deprive the lamer of the only Market now open to him, and this tt ould put it out of his power to sow the saute dttnritity of swing wheat which lie rnight othtr- Wore commit to the ground, and thus prove the cause of Ittritte scarcity. • _ _ sir A . Ft.:amiss/a,' e - alled the attention of his Mrtlesty'sGorcritment to the inhaltitunts of the Highlands of Scotland, who were almost afraid a to Was gpproirching, and who,.wishing to sacV their siaing wheat, knew out where to find any good .enotigh to put in the ground. ThcCuatacaLt.ou of the Excnectitot said, the Covet nment 'would have been very much wanting in their duty, if - they had not,. after so extraordi wiry a season us they had !fad the fiasco' tune to experience; efideuvoured to inform.themselves of the situation of every pint of the country. With respect Co that part of it which had been mention ed by the gallant Officer, he had had rely dis. tinet accounts, and he hoped it very moderate sup ply would suffice to afford those of whom he had spoken tel In 1111 Such cases, almost the only good that tiovernment could do, was to keep or en the contintmleations bet ween all partS of the coun t; in order to tin " 0111 the greatest possiWe facili ties for conveying the surplus, produce of one •dis. Wet, to cover the deficiency of another. Parlia ment anti the Goveinment, he was of opinion, hatlfortrierly beet., too ready to interfere on such occasions. The Scarcit y complained of in Ireland was Oot, SO -111Och aCCOutlt nt (IMMO" y,as on acc,Atnt of the quality of the wain, which sva . s such that, - if not consumed in the Distilleries, it could not be used at 13rattr , to said, the augmentation of the price of grain in this kingdonr...—was not great, when cotopared with the rise that had taken place in France. There its price had been but half what it was here, and now grain was sent from this ronntry to that, lie thought the defence of the Right lion. Gentleman had principally turned on this point, that to prohibit the distillation front grain would be useless now ; but why was not this looked to before ? General MITCHELL contended, thtit to Still the legal di4tilleries - would do great harm,Has, in Iliac case, those on whose - hands, grain was left must turn illicit distillers themselves or starve. CALVIIIIT did 110 t think to stop the distil• !cries would he so completely unavailing tts the Right How. Gentleman h..d supposed, as Much' of the spirits manufactured in Ireland was produced trom grain which might be converted into huMan . food. Mi. PEEL explained. Air. V. FyrzGERALD Sheaved, that touch of ,the rain used in the distilleries could nut he convert.. ediuto human fond, and that to stop th e di s til. 'cries would not be of the sliglitc,t use. The difference in the prices of grain ;nude the distiller desirous of using the batl in pretereuee to tho, good. r. I3ARING 091.1illed, 01)(I Wl,llCli to know wily Ilse DistilitileAs had not been fitoppeti in Oc. talon ? 141 r. PR L. soid they did not begin to work till December. To hove prohibited' listillation from grdits in Ireland would hove heels useless, without suspending the fret~ inteetoirse between EnglOnd and Irtkod, tvhich Qviss secured h the Union Act, and this the Irish Government were not Anthorisyl to sovend. Air. NI, FITZGRIIALD in reply, svated the object be had in view to have been partly obtained sjoce be had valled the atteatiim of Ministers to the sub. ject, and obtained candid explatiation of their tie admitted that barley might .be malted in consequence of an apprthension that (1 . 1 , 61186 mi Ivoni gram was about_ to he prohibited, hot notch attic distillation iu Ireland, he b'eggell to observe, Wits from new grain, which covld an t, f rom oily Slid) Hrpreliewioo, be put. in a state from which it could not he reclaimed for human sustenance. `P ic i ton , Gentivinan concluded, by offering to withdr a w his Motion. Tut lot) pt.rmitted to lie withdrawn. Lord CAST!. REA On i roughs up eerti,in p,,pers relative to the Lisbon Linbasy.—Ortlercil to lie an the t,bk. , qua . ME. o iLs RING moved for cronnts tne ntsty of wines imported how the Cape of Good dope, doting the five years ending It) January 1817, di3- tingnishiog pleb year. Also of the doties'prtid un the same, grid of the value 'of nll imports and ex • ports from the Cape of (out! Hope, duting the some period. ---Agreed to. stt.vrat coLNAG E. Mr. liltouonAm toorcil (or copies of till I ° l ° lB from the Chilheelhq of the Exe'hy(itter to Nlagis. It ties iu the Country, relative to the New Coinage. Ire t'ltat A enrrespondikice bail (alien place between the Exchequer and Country Magis : (rates, to regulate the manner iii WhiCh the old silver vas to be thaneed fot site new, Rnd that the regulati6ti thits laid down 'had not been propoly attended to. With respect. to the coinage ititelf, (tiring!' he did justice to the celerity with which it had been executed, he could not help doubting tin tarinnite success of the measure. • It was issued at a nominal value of five shillings and sixpetwe an ounce, whilst that of the Bank tokens Wtts six shillings and eightpence. This great dif ference could not fail to Troth.ce a pernicious ef fect ; fOr it was natural (hitt 'the higher currency should •drive the other out of circulation. It might be said, that persons ivould rattier melt down oneoined Mirth was: only ss. or ss. 1.1. an ounce, than coined silver of the value .of ss. Gd. This was certainly some pintection to the new coinage ; but still be doubted the wisdom and safety of .undertaking so great an operation, while the general circulation of the country was in its present state, What security was there that the market ;price of SII% Cr would nut rise above ss. 6d. A few years since, had it not reached the high price of 7s, 'dunce Much less than that would endanger the existence of the new coinage. One - penny or,t wo pence above is. Gil. might drive it out of vitt:illa tion. It had been the opinion of an indkidual, to %chola be did not look up will) so notch respect as to the Hight Iltinourable Master of the Mint, because lie had not oreopicd such elevated official situations----he meant only :Is'lac New ton— Langhter)----that threepeure in a goinea endanger ed the cirettltttiou. But if, instead of threepence, the difference rose to one nod sixpence , iii five shil lings, or six shillings in a guinea, the new coin age could not certain ly remain in circulation.-- This danger would continue to exist aS long as the Hank would hast . e pawn by a single stroke of the pen to,eaNe the price of silver to the same height which tt ,had formerly attained. Ile 'did not wish the new coinage to be drawn in, but he wished the flimsy not to lose sight pt this, that it was necessary to take the earliest,opportonity of withdrawing the commit] which it exercised over the Bank, and allowing that establishment to pay its promissory notes in cash. Front the moment that the ',tank wool(' pay on demand, it would be impossible that the price of gold ,and silver should rise too high. the shotiltl now ask of the Right llou.Gentlemito a quest bin respecting the chic of the New Coinage. There was a great defect on the head Side, espe cially in the half c-ou us. II is Nliiiesty's likeness, and: the whole of that side, there exceedingly bad. To make up for this, he understood 111. , 11' an addi tion had been made on the reverse, which magni fying powers, or eyes younger than his Own, could descry. This addition consisted of the li tters W. W. P.---(Laughter - wished fo know Whether. the were any precedent for this If so, it miqht be laudable and proper. Cardinal Wolsey had been impeached for putting a Cardinal's hat on the money coined . in his time. Ile thl not wish the Howse to go so far— . (Langliter)—with the Bight lion. •Gentleman, but he 'hoped he would .be able to brit% a precedent in his justifi cation. Alf. W. PoLF. WAS ready to give the , Lcftrned Pewit: Mall every satiNfaction ii► power. With respect to tl►e correspontieocc, for a copy of %%Wel► the 'notion ws►e intentlcti, this %vas the first time lint lie bad ',card of such a correspondence. • kites s had been writ ten of the kind alluded to. .Secret instructions hail certainly been given to the 011iteri of the Mint, respecting the exchange of the Old Coin for the New, and no copy of these instructions could have been obtained but by a breach of trust. They were intended for the protection of the subject, and th e y had been act ed upon in a Manner which had gisen the greatest satisfaction in c‘ery part of the Country. - 7 -(Hear, hear, bear !)—Tbese instructions he should Certainly object to making public. As to the sarcasms and taunts which the Honourable and Learned Gentleman bad showered upon him, without any provocation, let the country decide Whether they were just. The Hon. Member had talked about the principle of the. measure, and its possible consequences, Ism why had he not one s'n when the Bill was hernre the House Elad he forgotten that the New Coinage had been executed under the authorit y of an. Act of Parliament, and slot under that of any particular Dephttment of the State. lie should not go again over the grounds on which, the measure had been fotinded, and carried with an unanimity almobt in credible. Ile bhould Only say, that ai long as the balance of trade was in our favonr, there could be no dangerous rise in the price of Silver. As to the issues of the Bank; the House would be glad to hear that the Mint had now gold in its hand, sent by the Bank to be coined, for the pur pose of meeting the payment 01 Us notes in cash. (blear, hear !)—The Bank also intended to rccal its Silver Tokens, for it had never been intended to keep them in circulation,' and to keep two cur rencies. HI once, tie should think it unfair, were he to pit down without doing jobtice to the body of the Bankers of London and Westminster, head. ed.by the limtk, and assisted by every respectable ilanking 7 house thrmighout England; It would have been impossible with Out such aSSiAta9Ce, to Tarty, the measore into effect. They had employ ed their confidential cletks, given their'time and trouble, anti induced their corteSpoodents . t-o du the same, and all this gratis, In Scotland, the whole exchange had been managed also gratis by the Bank of Scotland, which had OPPoloted sixty-two stations for that pur rise. This general disposition to facilitate the execution of the Meastire, proved that it was considered highly beneficial to the people at large. He re inked to have had an opportunity of ex pressing his most gratvfol ackuoii ledgeoleots to all those by Whom he had been so actively, so effectually, and so liberally Supported; 'AVM) re spect to the coin itself, tro expellee or trouble had been spared to proetire the best artists. He would own, however, that the head on the half-crowns had disapr °inlet! Win. The other pieces, all bough he wished they were still butter, were considered superior to any that had yet been struck in this conntry. It would be satisfactory for the , Hon. Gentleman to learn that another bead was in pro gress. It had been shown to persons whose taste was certainly as good as, that of , the Learned Member, bud they thought it would be the finest ithat Ii 1): c ..11 Pmaitced. A personal attack bad been ma le upon him for the letters W.W. P. said to be inscribed on the tLverse ot the coin. He should not tell air Honout•able Gentleman what private mark's tie ball filaced ' theta. Jikt I lie ,should inform him of what lie ought to have known, that the Dint indentures autliarite and almost direct the Master of the Mint to place his private mark on the edge or on the flat part of the coin, that he may know it from counterfeits. He objected to being held ii us a man wbo should have ostentalhmsly fixed his iilitiali nit the coin, and as some falsely asserted, ota the shield itself. Whatever private mark he had ii.,,), wits on the contrary placed in such a manner as to be per ceived only with the aid of Magnifying - lasses, and even then, if it had not been betrayed, it would piobably never have been found out.:; As to the conspariton between him and Cardindl Wolsey, be, would tell the honourable and Learn ed Gentleman the fact, and let him get out of the scrape as he could.—(Laughter.)—He called it a scrape, for it was 'oriel° have fallen into misrepre sentations. Jo the reign of Henry VIII. Cardinal Wolsey had .been allowed to coin money for the Clown at York. He 1)11(1 coined groats, some ot which lie (Mr. W. V.) kart seen, An I put on them in large capitals his initials : 21 . ...,' ..•.i 1 I W umasW otsf , .y ~ or, the table of the die, and under the Royal arms a Cal dinars hat. One of the Articles of the int- - peachment was, that he had ponipinisly placed a Cardinitl's hat, bat nor a word was said about his having used his initi )19-. Now, was it fair to say, that he liarl - done . the same thing as Cardinal Wolsey 1 The ilinourable Gentleman was very .ready to make an attack, and then attempted to laugh it otl, but that would not do.—(Laughter ) lie had proved that lie had not acted a s Cardin a l VolseY, butt he ,would now shOsi , that Cardinal IVa!sey had been impeached on. other grounds than tlioSe mentioned by the Hon. Gentleman -•-. liar Martin Fawkes said that it were, the common practice of his (the Cardinal's) predecessors and successors, to pat their initiak on the coin, and as indhe case of sevel il Arel.i 1 i 1 .i.soops of Canter bury, their mitres, but.that lit suppos . cd the ar ticle of impeachment itg;iinst !lie Colt nal was for having put a foreign mark. Tire Ho,Oorable Gentleman .had asked tor precedents. - ,Re had .more than twenty prl:cedents;' for Since Vial le,, 1.. all the Misters ot the Mint . had placed :heir initials on the coin. A s long as he should hold his present office be shotild have wbat private that k he pleased, only taking care that it should be one to which his SOvereign could have no ob jection. Ile should then think very little of die taunts or approbalioll of t lie 11 , o). 'Gentlemen rip posit, The Learned Member had alsocomplained of the expellee which the New Coinage had cog, ntid eStimated it at 411) warOs of half a million. Ile was happy In say, that in his opinion, as 14r as he was able to judge at pre:etil, the 500 . ,0001. voted last Se s don for the New I.,oinage, wouhl covet every expellee attending its execution and its dis• tribntion. , Mr. BnotinuA.m contendqd, in explamitioo, that the Right lion, Gentlew<in ba'l misunderstood lite the whole I I his urgoments, which were directed agilinst lii issue of notes by the Batik, _and not Against the Silver Colungt: The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER stnted that no such col•respontleoce ns that of which a copy was moved for VHS iit eXiitt'llee. Mr. BRouOHANt thought that it might not exipt in the shape descrfbed'in is motion, but that lie had seen a copy of a letter s - purporting to have been sent from sonic public boirrd, to the effect which he had mentioned. The CHANcELLott of the LIACIIEQUER.—No such letZer has been written from the - Exchequer, CUMEN thought it his ditty to say that the new coinage, and the manner in which ii bad het ti exchanged for the old, had given universal sat is• faction, and that he had not heard of one single complaint, After a few observntion9 from Mr. Alderman SMITEI rind Lord . Coel(101148, the MULLM Wttti ne gatived without a division. PETITIONS. On the reading the. Order o►f the fily.for tie re sumption of rte Adjourned Debate _on Pet Mr. BROVOIIAM trusted, that in considetation of the state of the Home, the lion. Baronet would postpone the subject to another' day. The SPEAKER observe►l, that as there was a large hotly of Petitions to be received, the yaestion might be considered as one of, prieile ge . thought it should not be put off to a distant day, and that dim attention should be paid to the Peti tioners. At Lord CASTLCREAGIC3 suggestion, the Ad -I)ebate was ordered to be resumed to.. IT') W, The Barrack Department, the Cotree, and the Pas , engers' Regulation Bills, were read a third time and passed. LOrd PALNICRSTON presented estimates of the reductions and superannuationsin the Army, and also of th e ch arges f or garrisons, Dud .allowances from the Compassionate List.---Ordered to lie on the table, and to' he printed. The other Orders of the Day were then dis posed ot.—Adiourneil. , MIRACULOUS ESCAPR.—Yesterday morning the roofs of two oldluinous houses, iu Laystall•street, Gray's inn -lane, fell in with ti dreadfut crash the inmates, terribly alarmed, tan out, - partly dressed and pvtly,umiressed, to sa%e thiir lives. The garret of one of the bowies was oecnpied by a poor• Man, his wile, and two children-; the man was gone to his work', anti rite woman was gone to market, leaving the children in bed. The poOr woman', on her •teturn home, about ball -past se ven o'clock, e.ns quite in K state'Of derangement at the thought of tubing her chilfyett, Some of Menx't labonrers very humanely ascended the ruinous fabric, a tt4 began to'Clear awruy th e fuh high to find the bodies; when, to tbeirgre a t surprise, they 'discovered the children fast asleep In each other's arms, in a small bed in • one corner of the room, being preserved by s,oue Of the fallen timber resting with its end against the w a ll, form- lug a kind ofs tent ovrr them : the eat which lay nn the henrttj w CEUilieli to death. The joy of the poor Mother cannot bc exproied. ItiEATItICAI. P.P.GISTErI;, .4 * NO Performances l as t Night at Oilier otttc • , AttRIVE.I)-1 Oilblin, 4 Waterfortl. pue- 1 Fo n° ' bun, G Hamburgh, Gottenbargh, e STOCKS *rho: o'corr l• P. 3 peot, Antl. .111.4i3 nondi,.,.„ South Sea Stack.,..."' 11 I tg„ • „„141. (' r A.lOllll -0115. or prt ErroN, St uelt-Prokrt, and IS, C,, lenitptlt PRICE Of THIs DAY AT 1 , 13anh Sttick, stint 3 er Cent. films 3 per Cent. Cons... tißlf 701/ 4 per Cents. stint 5 per Cent. Navy Ann...9: 4 11i Bank L. Ann ....shut 2, Comb H rc( ri WATER AT LONDON 10 1)(31.0441gs , TO ti ro : 11""Itig, uliautes after , 4.1 Breuilig, 4 THE SUN. SOLEM QUIS DICERit Fkl.cITU AllOttl: LONDQN , THURSDAY, MACH 6, 10 All the French nay,, dice to -dA Y , uj 11114 m! the 4th instant; arrived in c oarse at and we proceed to 'extract fool tliem appears to be wtiribk.the tren tilo of 114 Public: Po° The Russian Ambaisador: Coat B(nt'Go, has been severely wounded by an accident. Coining filial a lioustio .he spent the evening of Siinflay, his sudden spring threw him front lilt ca bet the pavement. lie has been hied Paris PAPers not say wheth er the "I' not dangerous. , P sl i n ,,i. 1 .Dl . l l B :l A ltij S i i r l i ( i) j : ' , l rt.t i i a at i l i i t: :: r:: and receiver) c e n i i :::: y l , / 4 ) r r e i ) a i c t e ( T ) 4 l lll g ce r r 3 s il o i t : l l, l ' A "cn-2.—The IC MG after heel ince TALLYRAND has restarted lii Fonc-I the Tuileries. „I ' f..,,s ' is .^. Paris NationalPG"::::::;,°af mans ere r : P 1 Prreng:bell:)ll thei 'grenadiers , and made seditiao" Pr(liejr''td em. He was at rested, and i/ as suPrs drunk. oeioo . .. Tht. Church of St. rtoch resss"'fiii, aff e o entered on Friday night, the "' bed, ittni the linenstrlitt 0 the A l"l6' i i t$ ic;:e;llll:l:e::(l):lti)tp,lll2ll3asitnitio.leiteli,e)oillif :ityhneilit:clll:;:isissli:,,ll:l,ll,lgi,ltlc,rlo::: it ill I/ ) amount to :50 millions: i i P The Duke of OttiEANS vi,ited the "ril" 4: • il'lChamber of I)::plities great disorder nit their last sitting:ll4:clotie was t)pon that branch of the 00 , 0 to the when a grind cotdeft:',g ' l 4 Minority left the- Chamber, licv;rltl/1 there were not a stifficient noniber fos left behind to 410 any legal basilic"' coss teas cant illttetl . Cabbies' 81111 t t r ile g Pit (11("Iraell amid tumult and, PrPr 1/ stow-to hive been a perfect 6I I. 5" ; 5 per Cents .............. . ..... ' ic e , , - 0/ 11 . )e , Bettsk Actions ............. • • rtl A person of th 111 e 1114; " <<l of I , r scO* (Correzc Ile at 13rHulien tl ' F t; NID3. his faculties to the lasr. li tio .l l, l7 ar a t ( y in . 'itable 4 1 el;6::7 order wiio r c i --- 1 i ell N 7 Coinage has been emrt.itul4i.iit"(ttetoj;l their(ie spleen, though it ,affortled 1 0 ' l'icolie. t action to the WorSt • tettipere'l ar 11 1 0 4° gratumatized, they addressed theruielees with all the ( ": I , lr ll iti ; their small-wits to discover sotnetlliog.l,l,;je. „of." nst:: :l t i l eili t i(ti t :si t iti l l; : :: e ect r uttitilsin t o n set'ir i l i Cee : rl 4.. :'"i3 f liss c als:t e :lti)l4: b le(e'lle: l : e .eiy:allsi a c3()c' h ":::')lii o llil'ilt)ei t i(ti.illt:r(ligille'Yisocell'itt'lletil°l•.9:l4%tcl''l‘:rticelii:ll'llll:lsl;tre:gsitlitt‘f.:':(le'l'.l:l'll w f t: i rt i :t i t i t n t l i te rol C a 'a t v h i e llet' c s o o i s i l t ttlis,i:vocncoit,sticuili' .1:te:, , t fili t that N I; . 1. ! B e r a a o h u te o : A s m tI ( theosteighs a t I t l i i: c s a, : ve t : I of t : c lic y et 1 , „oil ci f, retailed in the (louse of Cottintoug#:, 0 qi iti f il ingly got up last night, and luggillgi:lo,lo"ilti to the Master of the Mint, +%ith ibtlootei expression nltiet; is funiitiar to 1115 °coot/ entettained'the House_ with 0 VCIY 6C bie 6 ifit titiort of all the stale jokes on th is ° for the ~,t , i , ,: fortnight . tl ) I b a re ., ) ei e burl j e st s kg . ii ( e : s r t et ( l ss l i e l ea e v,i r s i.h :l l . ‘ di . o t t i c t t l e i ' i ,, l i 'l : ll ; : i i e l . ' :l: . re l e i c i N e tn b il , )l e t , : t t i r .l l : el t i: , : it l ' l l ll': : , l3 ,l l . l l ll . : ; l.l : l3 l, lc:.l . : tilil'sll , l4ll :l l.; ,°f lii° taste :---Wi. di) not thiok t h3t .00 `4l. Master of the Mint in ausw ej 2 ll . l6 : t o l i e / 1 1 r.' . 11:11'. ?: :: : ; 1 of . Ic"ittieistusi should contlo' n,llll'''.,;ie simple fartswith •1 . Iz,aloos 0 foe ) %vote 1 the - lat v f ! cessitil disrlharge of A very ar tillatig t:i I lit'i'll ' l him. Neilber W. W, P. nrir C°ll".lP+l no' # , lic k " T1..1,, bonnet, nor the- 1014. I