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THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD Eniptrial Vailiament. HOUSE OF LORDS• THURSDAY, MAY 9. The Duke ofCLEVELAND presented petitions from the church wardens and inhabitants of Great Wrington in the county of Somerset, for the better observance of the Sabbath, and against the beer-shops ; and from the Protestant Dissenters of South Shields, praying for relief from parochial rates, and the removal of other grievances by which they were affected. The Duke of RlciimoNn presented petitions from the city of Chichester and from Steyniug, for the abolition of colonial slavery. Lord SUFFIELD presented petitions to the same effect fromso Wesleyan congregations in Lancashire, Yorkshire, and Not tingham, and trom the inhabitants of 5U towns in various parts of Great Britain. The Duke of GonnoN presented a petition from the surgeons and medical practitioners of A berdeeu, praying for a revision of the apothecaries' act. Lord WY NFORD presented a petition from the shopkeepers and inhabitants of the hundred of Blackheath, against the 19th section of the local jurisdiction bill, which took away all the powers hitherto exercised by courts of request. Earl DELAWARE presented a petition from the minister, churchwardens, and i nhabitants of Bradfield, Sussex, for the better observance of the Sabbath; also a petition from the own ers and occupiers of land in the agricultural parishes in the coonty of Cambridge for such an alteration in the agricultural labourers' employment bill as would make it applicable to every parish. Lord HOWA RD DE WALDEN presented petitions for the aboli tion of colonial slavery' from Saffron Walden, Newthorpe, and two other places in Essex. Lord AUCKLAND moved the order of the day for going into committee on the cotton wool duty repeal bill. Lord EL LENBOROUGH took that opportunity of referring the house to what had taken place when the duty had been increased by the measure of 1831. It had then been also proposed to in crease the duty upon India cotton, but the project had been abandoned, and the consequence had been, not only a great increase in the imports of that article, - but also an improvement in its quality. He had then thought the increase of duty on raw cotton was most impolitic, and he rejoiced it was to bb reduced, and at the same time he would suggest to the government the propriety of reducing the small duty still remaining on India cotton, by which the manufactures of this country would be greatly benefitted. The Earl of RIPON was the last person to object to the en couragement of every export from England. He, however, was of opinion, that as the duties now imposed on East India cotton, indigo, lac, and almost all India productions were reduced to a mere nominal amount, further reductions would produce no effect whatever. Lord ELLENBOROUGH observed, that there was another duty, which had been imposed in 18.31, which had produced nothing, or less than nothing, to the revenue; he alluded to the wine duties, which had caused a loss of £5,000 to the revenue, as compared with previous years. He should, therefore, suggest the propriety of repealing the wine duties also. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said that the wine duties had not yet had a fair trial. He supported the policy of the Government in increasing the duties ou raw cotton in 1831, as it had enabled them to take off the duties on printed calicoes, by which not only the manufacturing districts, particularly in the north of England, had been benefited, but the prosperity of the revenue had been increased. Lord ACKLAND, with reference to the wine duties, observed, the returns of the imports of the last three months manifested that, though there was a deficiency in the revenue arising from the duty on light wines, that originating in the import of strong win's had increased. The bill then went through the committee, and was reported without any amendments. On the motion for the second reading of the Tiles' Duties Repeal Bill. Earl DELAWARE inquired if the bill repealed the duty on draining tiles, which, by mistake, had been omitted in a former bill. Lord AUCKLAND said that the present bill repealed the excise duties upon every description of tiles manufactured in Great B ri Lai n. The bill was then read a second time, and ordered to be com n.itted to-morrow (this day.)-:--Adjourned. FRIDAY. Earl GREY laid upon the table the papers relating to Algiers which had been moved for by a noble lord (Aberdeen) whom he did not then see in his place. He begged to say that if any fur ther discussion arose upon this subject, he should use his discre tion as to the production of any other documents. As he did not doubt the noble lord (Aberdeen) would, if present, do so, he would move that the papers be printed.—Ordered. The Earl of Wick Low moved for returns of all agreements entered into between the owners and occupiers of land, and the incumbents of parishes, in Ireland, for the composition of tithes, and registered in each diocess, under the 2d and 3d William IV., c. 119 ; also for returns of the number of applications for grants, and the commissions issued for the promotion of great public works in Ireland, under the act passed for that object in the session of 1831. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE was happy to state that the an ticipations he had entertained on the passing of the measure for promoting public works in Ireland had been completely answer ed. Numerous applications had been made, and considerable improvements had been carried into effect, under the provisions of the act alluded to by the noble earl. The Earl of Wick Low was aware of the anxiety with which the bill had been pressed forward by the noble marquis, though it was thought by those sitting on his (the Earl of Wicklow's) side of the house that nothing would be lost by delay. Ile was anxious, therefore, to ascertain from the returns he had moved for whether any good had resulted from the measure. The motion was then agreed to. A message from the House of Commons, by Mr. Bernal and other members, brought up the savings' bank enmities bill, the dramatic authors' bill, and two private hills. STAFFORD BRIBERY BILL. The Earl of RADNOR moved the second reading of the Staf fird Bribery Bill. Lord LYNDHURST thought from the evidence, which he had in part heard before the select committee,_ and which he had since fully read, it was manifest that bribery to an immense extent had been carried on in the borough of Stafford, not only en the last, but on many former elections, and he was sorry to add, that it appeared also that the candidates both on the last and on former occasions had been deeply implicated in the transactions. lie therefore conceived it was absolutely neces sary that some effective measure should be adopted to prevent a recurrence of similar transactions. This bill entirely differed from similar bills for the same object—namely, that of indem nifying persons examined as witnesses. The object of the pre sent bill was entirely different, for it went to indemnify all per dims. candidates or others, from the consequences of the bribery of which they had been guilty, the title of former bills being an act to indemnify witnesses who should be examined to prove bribery in the particular borough, while the title of the present was a bill to indemnify all persons guilty of bribery at the Staf ford election, without any restriction or limitation. The enact ing.clause also corresponded with the title of the bill, yet it was curious enough that though this general indemnification was given, the second clause went to indemnify . all persons who should be examined as witnesses. 'phis reminded him of the story told by Mr. Wyndham in the other house of the Oxford scholar, who had a large hole in his door for his cat, and a small one for his kitten. did not think this was the result of ac cident. but had been done designedly; for he had compared the bill with the acts passed with reference to Peuryn and Bans staple, and had found that the phraseology corresponded, so that it was manifest the drawer of the present bill must have had those billstbefore him. '1 his manifested the necessity for their lordships to look narrowly at all bills, even though profess ing a virtuous and laudable object. The Earl of Ransioa denied that he, as the mover of the bill in this house, was answerable for the phraseology in which it was couched, or the manner in which it was framed, though he believed it was in accordance with all former precedents. The enactments of the bill were precisely in accordance with the title, and it was nut fair to compare it, as the noble and learned lord did, with former bills, which merely went to indemnify witnesses. This bill was essentially different from all those bills, with the exception of the bill in the case of Lord Melviile's trial; and all those bills, except that, had origivated iu the Commons. The bill was then read a second time, and ordered to be ceunnitted to a committee of the whole house on Monday. The London and Greenwich Railway Bill was read a second time.—Aclj:Jurnecl to Monday. HOUSE OF COMIYIONS. WEDNESDAY, MAY 8. GENERAL REGISTRY BILL. Mr. W. BROUGHAM rose to move for leave to re-introduce th_ , bill for the general registration of deeds, which was origin ally brought forward by the Soffeitor-General. The hon. and learned gentleman entered into a technical description of the embarrassments and inconveniences attendant on the establish ir:3lt, of a title unlzr the present system, in consequence of the Wilful or accidental suppression of deeds, and contended that a general registration of deeds afforded the only means of sur mounting them. The chief objectiOns that had been made to the bill emanated from country solicitors, many of whom had given utterance to the most unblushing misrepresentations res pecting its tendency and object, as, for example, that it would compel every landholder to transmit his title-deed or convey ance to London, to be there patent to the rude scrutiny of the curious. Now, the bill would be wholly prospective in its oper ation, and no deed registered would be permitted to bo seen till the claimant had established, to the satisfaction of the register ing officer, a bona fide claim. Mr. STRICKLAND looked upon the present as one of the many law patronage jobs, of which that great job, the law commis sion (which had already cost the public £28,000.) was the pro lific parent. The hon. member was greatly in error if he sup posed that the opposition to his proposed bill was confined to the country solicitors : it extended to the country gentlemen of all shades and distinctions, to merchants, farmers, and tradeS men. Would the house sanction such a costly job in the present state of the countrv,—a job which would cost some £5(X1,000? The SoLicrroit:GENEßA L.—Only £20,000. Mr. STRICKLAND.—OnIy £20,000? Why, he understood that one side of Lincoln's-mnras to be purchased as a site for the building. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL contended that the bill would lead to a great practical benefit, without adding to the expense of the parties interested in registrations. Leave was then given to bring in the bill. LORD DONGLASS'S PENSION. Mr. HumE, pursuant to notice, rose "to call in question the right of his late Majesty to grant a pension to Lord Dunglass." His main object was to bring strikingly before the house and the public those instances of unmerited pensions and costly sine cures by which this country had been so long abused and im- , poverished. In 1792 a sinecure office was given to Lord Home, which, though only £276 10s. per annum, cost the public £36,360,he having received it for 22 years. The son of that Lord home enjoyed another sinecure, the exposure of which was an object of the present motion. The chief business of the Barons of the Exchequer in Scotland was the dis bursement and management of the hereditary revenues of the Crown in that country. On looking into the items of that disbursement, he found Lord Dunglass was set down £3OO a-year as the " Chamberlain of Ettrick Forest." — He contended that the house ought to put an end to this useless mode of applying the public money to offices which were with out any substantial duties_ to perform. As he understood that the government had no objection'to accede to this motion, lie would conclude by moving that an humble address be pre sented to his Majesty, praying that the law officers of the Crown be directed to inquire into the validity of the right of Lord Dun glass to hold the office of Chamberlain of Ettrick Forest, under the appointment of Geo. IV, after the demise of that sovereign, in order to have it decided by the courts of law in Scotland. The LORD ADVOCATE said that his own opinion was, that this grant was illegal; but he thought that it would be indecorous in the house to adjudicate upon it, and to deprive the noble lord of it in his absence, and without hearing what he might have to urge in support of it. He was therefore of opinion that the best plan which the house could follow would be the adoption of the motion of the hon. member for Middlesex. It was certainly a curious thing to give Lord Dunglass £3OO a year for the collec tion of quit rents which did not amount to more than £230 a year. (Hear, hear.) It was unfortunate for the noble lord that this appointment of £3OO a year had not been a pension upon the Scotch pension -list; for in that case he might have conti nued to hold out, inasmuch as the . pensions on that list, which he thought expired with the sovereign, had been continued by the liberality of Parliament. After a few words from Mr. Hume the motion was agreed to. ENCLOSURES. Mr. PRIME moved, pursuant to his notice, that on the com mittal of every enclosure bill it he an instruction to the com mittee to insert a clause providing for the allotment of a certain portion of land, to be let in small portions to labourers, and the rent thereof appropriated in aid of the poor-rates. Mr. Hum did not rise to oppose the motion, but he thought that on one of such importance the resolution ought to be printed, and full time allowed for its consideration. He would therefore propose that the debate on this question be adjourned to that day week. Mr. PRYbIE assented to the amendment, but he did not think that a reference to a committee up stairs was necessary. The motion for adjourning the debate on the subject to that day week was then agreed to. EAST INDIA JUDGES. Mr. HumE said that he would pbstpone that part of his mo tion which related to the appointment of Chief Justice of the Island of Ceylon, in consequence of the absence of the Colonial Secretary; but he would move for a return of the number of India judges now receiving retired allowances,—distinguishing the length of service of each, the amount received, and the sources from which it was paid. He thought that such judges might, without any additional p ease to time country, be ,Made a permanent court to decideWn appeals from India, which would be a great saving of time and expense to the parties con cerned in such appeals.' The motion was agreed to. POLICE-OFFICE (LONDON) BILL. On the motion of Mr. G. Lamb, the house went into a corn ,wittee for the further consideration of the report of this bill. / The several clauses, with some amendments, were gone through. Mr. PEASE proptsed a clause, to the effect to give magistrates the power of punishing persons who kept places for bear-bait ing, dog-fighting, and other cruel sports of that kind, which tended so much to demoralize those who assisted at them, and also to punish those who were present at such sports. Mr. HILL opposed the clause.' He did not see how it could be fairly agreed to, unless the house was prepared to put down coursing, pigeon-shooting, angling, &c. rhe house would not surely proceed on the puritanical principle to - " Compound for sins they are inclined to, By damning those they have no mind to." Mr. RoTcu supported the clause, because he believed that the practices which it was framed to put au, end to were the means of drawing together a vast number of disreputable per sons, who, at those meetings, perfected their plans of spoliation and plunder. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL conceived the clause to be uncalled for. If local mischiefs were expected from the prevalence of the system to which the hon. member was opposed, why not ex tend the clause to York, Liverpool, Bristol, and other great towns ? After a few observations from Mr:Potter, Sir T. Fremantle, Mr. Hardy, and Mr. Pease, the committee divided,. when there appeared— For the clause 42 Against it l6 Majority against the clause 4 The house then resumed, and the report was ordered to be re. ceived to-morrow. LAW AMENDMENT BILL. The S6LICITOR-GINEIAL moved the second reading of the privy council bill, in doing which he explained the object of the bill was to remedy the defects inherent in the present constitu tion of the privy council, in its appellate capacity, and to remo del it. _ _ _ The bill was then read a second time, and ordered to be coin• witted on Wednesday next. PRIVY COUNCIL BILL. On the motion of the Solicitor-General, the house went into a committee ou the law amendment bill. _ Mr. JEuvis moved the omission of the proviso in the clause which gave a dispensing power to the judges, on which amend ment the committee divided. The committee then divided, and the numbers were : For the amendment l3 Against it Majority l6 The clause was then agreed to, as were all the others, with the exception of three, which were struck out, on the suggestion of Mr. Jervis, but it is impossible, from the tune in which the con versation was carried on, to particularize. The house resumed, and the report was ordered to.be brought up on Friday. TILE SECRETARY FOR IRELAND. Colonel PERCEVAL gave notice, that he would to-morrow put a question to the Chancellor of the Exchequer, with a view of ascertaining whether the olfice' of Chief Secretary for Ireland had been, or was likely to be, filled up. On the motion of Mr. Spring 'Rice, the Savings' Banks An nuities Bill was read a third time and passed. On the motion of ,Mr. L. Bulwer the Dramatic Authors' Bill was read a third time and passed. The orders of the day were then disposed of, and the house adjourned at two o'clock. THURSDAY. This being the day appointed for taking the ballot upon the Tiverton election, the Members assembled at four o'clock, and, there being only 71 present, the house adjourned. FRIDAY. The gallery was not opened until half-past 4, in consequence of the ballot for a committee on the Tiverton election. ➢lr. O'CosN ELL gave notice that he should move a call of the house on Tuesday next. Mr. Imams' presented a petition from the ship-owners and merchants of South Shields, complaining of the embargo laid upon coals sent to the Dutch ports, and stating, that if the prac tice were continued much longer it would have the effect of sti lling the commerce of South Shields. Mr. .T. YOUNG took the opportunity of stating that he was intrusted with a similar petition from Newcastle. The petition ers complairied of the unjust nature and injurious tendency of the embargo on Dutch vessels. SECRETARY FOR IRELAND. Colonel PERCEI aL wished to know from the noble lord (Al thorp) whether a secretary was yet appointed, or likely soon to be appointed, for Ireland. He was of opinion that no time ought to be lost in making the appointment, if it were not al ready done. Besides the temporary want of an Irish secretary, it had an injurious effect another way. On the occasion of the appointment of the committee on the state of agriculture, only three Irish members were chosen to form a parts€ it. He was justified in thinking that such would not have been the case had an Irish Secretary been appointed. He thought, therefore, the office should be filled up as quickly as possible. Lord ALTHORP said that the office in question had not yet beep filled up, and that considerable difficulty had been expe rienced in providing a successor to the late secretary. 'I he noble lord added that the appointment would be made as soon as possible. Wr. WHITMORE intimated that he would bring the question of the corn laws before the house on Friday next. Lord ASHLEY wished to know when it was the intention of ministers to lay the papers he had asked for relative to the con dition of children working in factories before the house? Mr. LAMB replied that they would be laid on the table as soon as possible. Mr. LENNARD inquired of the noble lord (Althorp) whether he would object fo allow the drawback on the stock of soap now in hand? Lord ALTHORP replied that he would object to the proposi tion. DUTCH EMBARGO. On the order of the day being read for the house resolving itself into a committee of supply. Mr. Alderman THONIPSON rose to call the attention of the house to the state of our political relations with the King of the Netherlands. The hon. alderman commenced by describ ing the injurious effect which, he contended, the orders in council of November and December last had produced on the commercial interest of this country. In promulgating those orders in council he insisted the government had deviated from the good policy adopted by our forefathers in preserving friendly relations with Holland. Far from this, our navy had for the last six months been employed in capturing the Dutch merchantmen on the high seas, while the ships of that nation which were in our harbours at the time of the promulgation of the orders in council were still detained there. It had been at first pretended that these measures were exercised for the pur pose of compelling the King of Holland to surrender Antwerp into the hands of the King of the Belgians; but although this event had taken place five months ago, the same system was still pursued, and for what reason no one concerned was able to say. For his part he had no hesitation in saying, and he spoke from the information of those deeply concerned in the trade with Holland, that no sound reason could be assigned for its continuance. Whatever the cause of its continuance might be, he hoped government would at least explain it to the coun try. It was a most unparalleled state of things: an embargo had been placed on the trade between this country and Holland for the last six months, and yet there appeared to be no pro gress towards a settlement of the question for which it was imposed. It had been contended that the measure in question was necessary to secure the peace of Europe. If, however, the King of Holland had acted upon a similar principle, seized our ships in his harbours, which, at the time of the imposition of the embargo, where double the number the Dutch vessels in our harbours, there would then have been, in his (Mr. Alder man Thompson's) humble judgement, a most imminent chance of war. The King of Holland, however, adopted a different line of policy. He not only allowed the English ships which were in his ports to depart, but in case even of British vessels being cast upon his coasts, he permitted them to be repaired in his harbours, and afterwards to put to sea again. But in order to come to a just estimate of the loss which the British ship owners had sustained in consequence of the imposition of the embargo, it was necessary to know the amount of tonnage employed in the trade with Holland. Some idea of the dissa tisfaction which prevailed on the subject might be gatheredfrom the petition which had that night been presented by the hon. member for South ,Shields. He himself had a petition on the same subject to present from the shipowners of Sunderland, another had been promised by the hon. member for Newcastle, and they were all aware of the petition which had emanated from the great and important meeting in the city of London ou this .subject. Well, it appeared that the number of English vessels cleared from the port of Sunderland for Holland last year was 321, their tonnage 5861 tons. The number of foreign vessels cleared from the same port during the same period was 78. But what was the case at the present moment? Why, 340 ships were lying in that port totally unemployed, and, he regretted to say, with scarce any prospect of employment. During the same period 1200 ships entered the port of Rotter dam. The aggregate tonnage of the vessels belonging to the United Kingdom engaged in the trade with Holland betore the sth January, 1832, (he had no access to the accounts for the last year, for they were not yet laid on the table of the house)—tha average tonnage for that period was 179,488 tons. The amount of British manufactures exported during the same period was £4,631,000. The effect, therefore, of the measures adopted by government was to throw all this capital out of employment. The evil results to the commercial interests of the country were likewise increased by the state of our present relations with Por tugal. Deprived as we already were of a very important branch of trade, he did think that government, instead of shutting up, ought to have opened every outlet for our commercial activity and enterprise. But the number of ships deprived of employ ment in consequence of the measures adopted towards those countries now amounted to 2000, and the tonnage to 22,000 tons. The shipowners, consequently, throughout the kingdom, were labouring under the most severe deprivation. He observed from the accounts which he had examined, that the trade of London evinced a great falling off, and he had no doubt but that the same causes were operating on trade . generally.' The statements he had submitted showed, in some degree, the extent of the injury inflicted on British commerce by the embargo on Dutch vessels; but had a similar injury, he would ask, resulted to the commer cial interests of the Hollanders themselves? On the contrary, it would be found that the shipowners of Holland had contrived to nullify, in a great Measure, the object for which the order in council was adopted, and had, in consequence, suffered little or no detriment to their trade. By means of transferring their cargoes to the vessels of neutral powers, they were no* carrying on a trade, and a most profitableone, with this country. By pur suing this course they besides' effected a saving on the freight of from 20 to 30 per cent., which was no mean advantage. When they looked to the consequences which the promulgation of the orders in council had had on our foreign trade, they would, he fancied, see but little cause for congratulation. When they looked, for instance, to South America and the United States, they would find that the British ships in 'those countries could uo longer obtain any shipments from foreign merchants, in consequence of the impression which was entertained of the state of relations between England and Holland; They rea sonably enough said—" No, we will riot trust our merchandise with you. The embargo is a measure preliminary to a state of war, and we will rather embark our goods in neutral bottoms than run the risk of losing them by embarking them in yours." He had no hesitation in saying, that if the embargo were to be kept up for a few months longer, our merchant vessels from foreign countries would be completely empty. One imme diate consequence which had been severely felt was the rise in the rate of freight and insurance for British vessels. Our merchants had to pay at the present moment 100 per cent. more for these charges than. foreigners were called upon to pay, and all this from the apprehension of approaching war, which the continuance of the embargo on Dutch vessels had produced. The same causes had also affected our eastern trade. A Dutch East Indiaman had been detained at Trincol malee, and considerable alarm had naturally been spread among the merchants engaged in the India trade. The value of the cargo of this vessel had been stated at from £350;000 to £400,000, but a great part of it virtually belonged to British capitalists, and two-thirds of the property were insured here. It was evident from what he had stated, that British commercial' interests were suffering in every quarter of the globe. The worthy alderman then moved, as an amendment, for an account of all vessels detained in consequence - of the order in council of the 6th of November last, specifying their names, tonnage, and cargoes, and distinguishing such as had obtained the exemption made by the order in council of the 3d of December, and also for a copy of a report of the Privy Council ou the subject of these exemptions. Mr. G. YOUNG expressed his entire concurrence in the general course of policy adopted towards Holland. But though e concurred m the principle, lie could not say as much for the means, and he had strong objections in particular to the impo sition of.the embargo on Dutch vessels. He thought with the honourable alderman who had just addressed the house, that that measure, instead of crippling Dutch commerce, lied fallen with the greatest severity on British commerce, and certainly ought never to have been resorted to. There was no denying the fact, that Dutch commerce was not impeded, for it was shown that the merchants. of Holland carried on their trade in neutral bottoms: He was convinced that the longer the em- L bargo was continued the greater would be the pressure on the hey -I,lTruteheered .Yet he could not be human most men in those tdid suicidally mm....................0......i mm.00000.0000yibiv550nP1eine ishepooi tireiv,icone,fllo 11l antics , a , must say, that if Fr , and the noble ' feare the instr ?4iti pi 2osed to te dealing" parts a et e rself a ,he s o a Pend. Perhaps he wa to a to ' waver commercial interests of the country. as tor o wn atake E n theLporrdinPcipaleereleaaidsTdooew the sake f cOn'l ls- 1 - 41: 1te noble lolirdPnlicY' she had emii derstood him, of sacrificing her honour a. ~_ loss 0 , onee+.. , n d end . + , O to embroil us with t cial advantages we should soon find th t tn i c ence , Eill e d e ,,7 OUr honour gal' with whom we h: would follow the loss of political indepwreeuv ba d sal; 4 0 0 74?ieio n lai 7 dond nterest.-(Hear.) oi sees 111 . , oeserve thwn should lose the very object for which land . to fu ,„,, e s by the learned S nsabiyd'ththeathiofntohueracEntrerle:te;f rAdttsine"lainereeg: honour. The refusal of the King of 11° Iis re jactte9 o , lid had to co nsult at if the learned gent gagements which he had entered into; .0 , wa tele s s i n 1 k l " t 4 re learned thany of the underwriter; proposal that was made to him; his cost s ` n ot ha Y but' woili,B,RenSibilit at though the law mig alum, hr eF, yof insu opportunity of again conquering Belo, ve was 10a ) r.) ` 4 17 0 el that hone sauces affected 1 'this country in having recourse to c oerci her to do I° ' tbel`tet for is ere it otherwisenrnd commercial us; dered it absolutely imperative upon to war, as tri"ll"ge atlY busy , indeed, the eau ters had advised his Majesty to go which infinitely A rse), s ttin g u „ _ etneddling minister, the justified in doing, the inconveniences Isis e " . _ switSB lot us. t . ' a a rt him war, should think it suited from that procedure would have u s e: no or . o a 7loessl i t b a l u Z ed b end to all commercial c than those of which the honourable inemuc' t that evil set 4 °sr i n tss ßts be y commercial honour. Ministers, however, had desired to aver was the P( illei tt6 th e b terfe renee gged h ". members opposit possible. The hon. member said that it ro _.., he a t tiers we et e of wei s i tt the affairs of the Ne country to protect the weak against the s t t ed ug h upou t " pre a° t hat, is rul lY folio Ingt"'s government, an it was so, and contended that we had acterpased to a ss e irtio, the present ut! up h t e polic of main`h in the present transaction. We had in the oue sais li st e aB ,,sed h, +,_ d. scussion, the qu continuance of war between the Dutch on r . ,aO),, throws th at ute en< .; - rs? hon. members whether, Belgians on the other, and though, mime oie, 11331pofaessr+PorseedVSY..better course could hav were superior to the Dutch, the experience_ clear' tbe_r re ste ss '," E ssex " 1 ' th had e noble Foreign Secret the latter were the stronger nation. It ‘ra" aios t th o r ie lisith e it ', air of r u cll this, as on other occa this country was protecting the weak l a j F' oc tieir „ a rs e h u . s l ; w ieni C s se s ,le over the policy of hi strong, by preventing the Dutch from su s ] sr. Pl:beli d oti r ,SS be en Jr . „ hould recollect that a to the yoke which they had resolved to cach e !'' .. l l . ese ut sts" itke the isen t i wo_'l,lndently promulgated in ber said he was at a loss to conceive how 0 resent is Sooly Peace of not be able by all his ne of the ,me ,j 4„ h roc an e.Urope f negotiations justified the continuance the 11°1 ' r l'' ' net • s °I . sta • for twelve months ( not be expected that he should explain to .s..oatis e o, , I , aud. ge m , he._ the off a terrible war w; precise point upon which depended the ci?ut s t o ll os i s teeT to p Cold t h a r. b n France (loud cries of tinuance of the embargo : all he could, ' ais siel"s hte r ga th e h ' e Prohhet and doctrinair, were h e oer 3;ti It on. . duty, state was, that the. government re o f t e _ ou i pe f or In hi s . member himself. ‘• 11; this country and Holland from the pressu,,_,..b t iSesS to ei sse _at le ast toble friend had preserve sures at the earliest possible moment at w r v e 7 o s o o t" ttl . es siti S te p ros lee twelve months, and Fl consistently with the objects which they ss f th i s co I _l, ~ th eir ' toil s ve " r ee• It should be recollect plish, and consistently with the interesstsaS e _ io sug` e 'n le e ,. Iltiesi„ le ! a matter of very little ii hon. member, however, was entirely ini t•ts:LS_ co w l s u ,,.. s .t .t h e 8 1 , 5.. . was death to the national i the pressure of the embargo was e xclusiv e ot L_Y il to . q c . %,4;_cio n „1.'.i! , , t ) , therefore, in which the country. He (Lord Palmerston) did no. ,efsa, ei 1 : 4 ou )le af; e ll f or :? e ue of patriotism; that in shipping interest, which was engagediu the e tr_ aus the 0 ,` 14 is t i e k° ar)..... 1 0 a ir continuance--one of pi must necessarily suffer some incouvenienLl' iha another,,ot , Spirit, indeed, somewhat al of the present state of things ; but he tL ,":t i ati aus tne/ 6.4 _ channel of trade was closed against our ships _ 0 ,4 ty se ar _` ear; 01. th e K- a fault, and hesitates disl to them. The hon. member was aware, tht!.t a t' ite a 101 0 1 at, f or u ) t ilt t p. member against France circumstances, the Baltic trade was very I , l ,,, r tolis io l VP. t'sali„ l e peo p l e hon. member would fail as those circumstances were removed, au te es' , se is] se sest ,eal ei leeli sh e ts of both France and Engler might naturally be anticipated this year, vra_ l ' hort be o " io sis: l .. aes o ''e ) s 4 d ne.d to be influenced by uns ployment to the shipping. The hon. laell en t of ea f t 4 r tigi er l,Pies s i r “ e 4 t,tonal antipathies, which or overstated his case. He estimated the sine gratal e ..es i R . p 3 aud _s burdens, that marred and duce and British manufactures exported to, .vote il 1 e lo rd s et, c o UPPerity. (Cheers.) country at about £e1,600,000, which he saia.ality, meats', 'so to t 6 had not but admire the skill ' in Dutch vessels under the cover of neuts 0 , r a, a% Were th e in:Just addressed the house I true, it was evident that the embargo had : cit y isa! 'f se) ~ is e n auestion before it-namel trade and our shipping also. The reeler .iao bee]' se , _ t of hi S!'e noh tl i in ,principle and efficient hon. member for Worcester said, all on one ' d se ver l / 3 p 4 ge ute ',Ocin . fri. , ords statement might be t Largo, however, did.press upon Holland, et . ' ha d bee tte 'ls o leri s i se at ath et ; e ad (Alderman Thompson) not the hon. member seen a petition whil N eliq is e l' l a t re eu esid w h r the es ba r n was an effic to his Majesty the King of the Netherlan ; I _ o w e e_ 0' ?Yes i , sp oo ether its being discharged a sited Amsterdam, in which the inconveine .t . - - . , 0 l e 0 0 0' ti roo t e t w as 11,0 d seriously injure those w suffered from the continuance of the eul e lioti° fl t biSe 'crewel aft er r u tlY untouched by it. (He; set forth ? Without meaning to say . thatcher o p . to is eed eti 4_ 4, the s e.peating the animadversions member was founded upon any motives lo os con ic rary say, tV lic itor-General's "legitimac he had himself avowed, he must state, for that lle t he Kole ably °be wis e admitting the policy of the that hopes were entertained in Holland o of T o ,' :1145414113414k to expedient in principle, country would be relieved from the pressu s r ea lle,?,. a / It _ego a . tow ard, O Unnecessarily oppress B which they began to find to be far from ' a gr li in 9 to ,s,'llsii:Seenuoi,,its attainment. He objec petitions and motions to be brought forWa, r efot ie o o o9 IlsktiVtlefsetei'lttitional, he would also]g (Hear.) Until, therefore, he was bettevie 1 0° I . s . 0 0 1 iti r ely,V teo st `, in practice. He of trary cont he had been th the speech a' 0 s este is i ) 0 0 t4ot t h e oangerous and unconstituti would inue to believe at the measur e ' ~4 iriS'tile he ab ase trie Cr awn might at its e pee. , e d, , oe e s , , iss s mere so inoperative urn Holland as some p aces „as , il , ,wa,,, ot thi "mmerce. (Hear, hear, supposed. Until the measures were accaf d r o ol !' a . be ~ L testi ar g'sil th ut s most dangerous exercise plishment of which the government cow'. „ s oa' s es s ew /inf orm the noble lord had consen he could hold out no hopes that the e raharg ° re atie,v ite ih. ' l gor 4 4 Out a tion, for without that parlia The hon. member had criticised the inter i r rect ed i s , at et' refit and t w ell interfere. He could i been put upon the order in council which ``, s n ot altsli Flan at L i the 8 against the embargo than of ships having perishable cargoes. I -1 _se all 0 fe1, 1 4 11. L , 113,,, , _ ()) , ( 1, 4 _ ' e gos-General-namely, tl complaints existed upon that point, but at To sp,v„„ r , i, e - n ee, os `rere not responsible for the e resposilele for the execution of the order: ...0s -scu l i c e: i . / it es t 'l h ado ee ! thed embargo. Could any ar that it was necessary informto exercise some cie . lr aa al , is c its 'or e i at eruhataore demonstrative of the in point, he would just the house tu a s ionse rr isa, t tr ill e e t a t Se ere r go ?--(Hear, hear.) But been made for the discharge of the ship ou ecil ba cisi, srss ir Pelli no virY, the same principle wit iron, under the provisions of the order in c ati ber .u sei . res of °els e Holland to accept our awe] 1 , f it rishable cargoes. (A laugh.) The hon. ski t ish ', 1 , 0 e 1 . ",, ; 4 N io.reiti,"„visstiori justify us in attainin Dutch ships were principally insured by ;,,, sat e : , s lo g ~,,, v o f waii!(l hostility. (Hear.) He d he had it not in his power to co ntradict josorvg ,see q urth e oti l l "S knew of no vacillating believed he was correct in stating,ahat a id'sotarea 0 1 . t . t l s at tpeas e u „!,r, state; _it treated of, and et British subjects against the detention ant' 04 0 0 0 0.1 1 ' t °qh as 'reb ar " war. He, therefore, dent n siscts , fro /Ile sh 4 0 go ships of his Majesty was an illegal `ran , „ r , bs „4 , off e d of ere , unless in a state of declare the principle of the constitution. (" L'-',; t ioe;„o.Se t , set ar " s e alea ,J 1 attempted any injury aga: tion.) Hon. members cheered that obser% so ne , t oe e t . is s `giil so ":l right of such coercive me; hesitate to assert that if his Majesty, acting. u t i l e ci s d s. Net7 te ttle Reties,' negotiation. He did not i his responsible advisers, subject of course k s ° lo of ialt. )' ! as d ki need s; tal polic y of our interferenc liament, thought it necessary for the hug:" D isar ra y': : r th e haeon si ," confined himself to the ii have recourse to hostile operations agains_!• a a ,a tO, i l l , e eS hi. _: s to _tittional character of the emb illegal for any British subject to interpus% s ehie'ol l f , °lnn: arr a e i nl aer who opened the debate, over the subjects of that state. The forin_„ s e l o ole t h 'ke ° the e Ztted the noble lord's foreig had come under the consideration of the n . ) ," t i o u, ' ea t ' i stlt'i r tad th at, "argo as seriously detrimen an opportunity of offering further explau,, ot o te Nta o nly too, while it had not the i cumstance occur to render it desirable ; 4 " . ' jo g': „, I t lit ii k fit (IS, e ?ald justify its adoption. necessary for him to say more. s o s hill ea' ,7eb ou eto hear connected with this em Mr. LYALL said that it was impossible.til_ coo l .0, . v ieuholl es to e.‘ ar.a satisfactory answer-nas thrown out of employment by the e mbalgV oo ber l o sed' i' s ki n ',Nth the it to an indefinite per went in any other direction. The hon. snition ioa ,l 4 t.'e, and t, 'e French government. (He ed, in a low tone of voice, to refer to a P . ' f Loav o a ," r :'fi u .'t ki seh lad that an embargo so unco understood) had been drawn up in the city (.' sb i e , s to islre 01 ,whi e h it T . vous in practice, and so ine was signed by the most wealthy, respeer. se ect,„ v e tt ' t h a , 4 c 0 ,4 `‘ as designed, should be con merchants, against the embargo. With rV L : e t 11 . ja i 'it hes.oiert that ention with France. (Hea the doctrine of the noble lord be 1 o ero eostork tin , a ;11_ gui tt at such was not the case, that state of war • but he understood that we 'µ io nic sor it"' e C.? o nto so great an absurdity-to t -(Hear.) 'ln spite of the saeers of the + ; l a thY' t iati f h :, he 1 ; 4 : th is tango such a dishonourable cc not help feelin . g a sort of compassionate sYr e l f s ider o o e 0 ( I deo u : s ehievously inoperative em ally. It was impossible to allow mere e O eco llee . ",ser e a nd h o t nee nde ,e'l that it would defeat in t, inereial interest altogether to efface the r as s 0 io ll ; ii e Ped th,, led by it. He maintained th mer connexion with that country--of how p ing of ro ec f ', 1 1 % /ne ths i , s i_ r efore it would terminate wit] to the collateral ancestors of the present l c i- to iiie et e 1 ! es es t it of wo 7ted, and would repeat, that a determination of that monarch appease gi b e ki bo t 0 r t1 , , , .4 a i)ea rt which could not, from it difficulties of his situation. The conduct, °, l , es sor o ot s t ' / Zref el ? Poreesee-preserving negotiation. ' forcibly reminded him of that of his prate': s of i d 0 , 1 4 k tt Ne e to pad been rather critical upc ago, who, when he was pressed by . the farc e tos be .a soci, ', 3 fit as ' ranee of the hon. member I land, and by this country by sea, ]Englishtvsrist4 ao ,Of se Jest hta- charaeteristic-; nearly inundated, replied to the g : iii as ,, s iti' t 1 . 1 4 R, asiir e . ate a fault and hesitates dislil him that his country would be ruined, 'I • the' s th ° t i Son l l a res er ( Hear.) lie would answer of seeing my country ruined by perishingit.lit s itog fl , ‘1 17 ! . 11 01 ,e11Ce to the policy of the ni admitted, however, that the cases were 1 v _ F o s " t , nhe e t t o 4 nd, that other line of the cot fess' 1 sei ° -(hear, hear.) sr , a , e , 1 r , W ound, and yet afraid to sty The SOLICITOR-GENERAL begged to sa•S iter'el 'the h ole " r sale r at e h ; etter e • (" Hear," a question of the liability of English eraun s s s r ki n 1 oet , ( Ave policy was au illustr, what the hon. member who spoke last b ses t ~, o f t';i 4 , 44 t ' i ' l (llh er et„heeir embargo was a telein ini sympathy which he felt for Holland, he s . t a tt ; ol e o (ep ath e. Par t o ti, et than rousing a spirit of i serve, that when Holland attracted the sr er r os t i i he b ell 5 e0r.,154 of i the Dutch, and enlisting o in former times, her conduct was very differ` at , ; 11 s'2e--s ) And thus commercial populatior she was at present pursuing. She was t;_t at o or sas 3s e s o ks s - e .... e5.... " us -and it ever Should Le clerc', exerting herself against tyranny, v s lo gital a t? (0 0 ',, , 4, 18 th.. .P , ven-handed Justice herselfundergovernmentswhichsupporteSSoect so o t to A il ', ow n f i 'e s!l,gredients of our poison'd from the opposition.) He spoke of leg" ls sic 0 4 - 1 5 * Oh, Ho e , Ps. - i . ,_, (Cheers.) which it was used by the Holy Alliance , r id.-11 0 1 . I , l sli : 4 1 : ) rere in a 'a lie rose in consequence down liberal institutions all over the we sio naa, , : oli is i . lat b ilue lie e s nt by the honourable barn from the same quarter.) The K i ng of: dev ot:7 oc e , y `' 4 oq k atte e r 't the conduct of the King c himself to bring those whom he called hi... co si . , tr ,), le it : tic ua ,. N eth of opinion. All he could under his dominion, and under those c„il ~s, h i ' by I ' L , li; , 1 ! eo ll q edgi n "lands had never given his c merit the sympathy of Englishmen.--( l'''' tte iev e oPt e s tyre lea esi en g t he separation of Belgium Mr. BARING said that the sentiment' " Lat h 1i .04 0 c e ar th e i es with such conditions as w learned gentleman were quite novel, ai d . v o f c; . ' ole o , y o r e lit t ! It was of Belgium to 1 specially reserved for the reformed Hou,esor ot, i t , o f tl _ iri , 0 ') In ats. : . for the house, then, to cox singularly incongruous to hear a law oltt'''' to se , tu ts el d ' fl ess s 's the pre sent the existing embarks°, w nounce an attachment to legitimacy', allu ate th' r. )le ' t p il i - p ' of 4 'eernseint state of thiny,s. No ml cure for persecution, for so he must desigti-Ol't'to all ' 4 4 1 k I ? ; but s u argo must be injurious to the King of Holland had experienced. Jos e _ roe 0) I d 41 ,.or c i bi ,. 0 roust every act he which s venture to offer advice to one who sold av li d le° 4 0 , 11 1 48 , 4i o eat ', .character the ur o- f ion .a 0 , s„,, e s t et her ODject Th e ppse o (a laugh)-he would recommend the I sel , ea s .0 Is sea t , er i t rt , - question fbr the to confine himself in future to questions ? ta 1 00,,et' es t , Dept po ie mild be desirable, taking i such extraordinary opinions on pcnicy a' sre ise' as ist ef b ergo ; or Y . 3 f the country, to put a trines would not have been uttered in that' it 0 0, sre i t rOprd er p ersev '':, nether it would not be pre constitutional priuciples were quite as n ths o' a s ) 1 11 ;e , ],: t (t i to seeu e r re in the course they had 1 present moment, without being visited" is 0 0 4 it '4 4 11 e e ar, a e and maintain the gee The noble lord said that if anybody 10°„/Itie r e!, ))4 t ( re garded . r ) He admitted the emb s_it as they would see how beautifully - he had e l ' i ' li t he .ot li d , . 4 e spo, t - te ar, he. a much less evil than tions. The subject was a very dry one' , it iJ ) 0 0 0 4 t; 4f: l lc e 0 1, 1 4 i ntel i - r.) The question then, as long as he could keep his eyes opensiat di .e il. , i t, k I th e _ il s uch u i . ore to remove the ember moment as much at a loss to lenow ' o pa l ca ,r o) , ) istoleestionsloteo rference must be to tires driving at as he was before he began to of th e n' d ie t e w e as would ler dispute, and, indeed. as he could understand the present sta e p 0 ihe v e s o tbe e tad put . ead to war on the contir -the King of Holland said that the huvi it too the rot,! ,a, forth n t 0 . it to the hous h he ,„, u‘4 ~ r a Ira _ , .ewet er i a menced the mediation, would not :. v, i t i s tr iti p of it , dt s in ri' government' °reeking out betweei only two of the five, the others havin s s 4 to,,,se, le e tt ee r.) eve_ the to effect that whic section because force had been aplu'" he 'o' l ' l lc,'. is ge en He the . preservation of the peac members aware of the mighty object feat. t o ne !° OO 0 ; ilq e v _erre ns v u l t s „ moat ready to allow th fish commerce was thus paralyzed,- c t i v L ,oo l &acq b e . a R ee l e r , rit ry . , b. '? take every step to re dispute was, whether Holland shoal ° f so el ot s o' e R re ye ti to the-st he contended that th according to the usage of centuries, 0 . 1 ' a ll ' lto o ,,e` a i'd to the •adoption of coercive m guilder?-(Hear.) He feared that 1 1 o f t stto r - 0 0honour of the count ry, was, after all, but a puppet in the hau"; t ieel! st is l ,e, diplomacy, who so skilfully representeuoitt, bet e e t Now, he was as ardent an advocate for Lo e ser , , s lations with France as any man in th_v oo onv os l ' compromise the honour nor oppress jn e e sci e P for that desirable object.-(" Hear, "