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)1 ! 4 EVENING EDITION. LAW INTELLIGENCE. ROUSE OF LORDS, Fgz. 6. The House sat to-day to hear Scotch appeals. The peers in attendance were, the Lord Chancellor, the Mar quis of Ormide, and Earl Howe. ?LOWDEN V. THORPE. The LORD CHANCRLLnE gave final judgment to-day in :his cue which was argued before the House a short time I.noe, The case came before their Lordships upon appeal from the decision of Mr. Baron Alderson directing an account to be taken of the tithes which the appellant was bound to pay to the respondents. On a former day his Lordship lead expressed a strong opinion that the judg .,:ent below should be reversed, but ho refrained from ,iving his final judgment until he had ascertained the view taken by Lord Brougham, who had also heard the case. The LORD CHANCELLOR this morning stated that Lord 3rougham, who had also heard the case, entertained the —vale opinion as himself, and therefore the judgment would that the decision of the Court below should be reversed 4,ith costs. Judgment reversed. PRESTON V. MELVILLZ. The further arguments on this appeal were then pro , eded with ; but, not having concluded at four o'clock, ,e further consideration of the case was adjourned to uesday. INSOLVENT DEBTORS' COURT, Fin. 6• fY TAE MATTER OF WILLIAM CHIFNEY. An application was made on the part of William Chif ney, the Newmarket Jockey, to be admitted to bail until hia hearing. It appeared that he was confined in Cambridge gaol, and was anxious to procure his liberation, having some horses in training for the next Derby. A special applica tion was made on a former day to reduce the bail, by leaving out of the sum required a debt of 3001. on a war rant of attorney, given for a debt incurred before his bank ruptcy, and after he had obtained his certificate. It was urgel that, if the Court insisted on the usual rule for bail in double the amount of the judgment debts, it would be impossible to obtain bail on distrainable property, to the amount generally required. The COURT said, under the cumstances, bail for 10001. would be sufficient. Bail was given, and the discharge was ordered until the 14th March, when the insolvent is required to appear at Cambridge to be heard on the Circuit. CENTRAL CRIMINAL COURT. THE GOLD - DUST ROBBERY. In the course of the day the Court directed that Lewin Caspar, the person who, by the decision of the Judges became entitled to his discharge, unless cause were shown against it, should be placed at the bar. Mr. CLARKSON then addressed the Court, and said, that on the part of Mr. James Hartley, the prosecutor in this case, he was instructed to inform the Court, that that gentleman had already expended a sum amounting to nearly LOCO/. in carrying on this prosecution, and he therefore felt, subject to the opinion of the Learned Judges, that he had already discharged the duty he owed the public, and he had, therefore, no desire, so far as he was concerned, to proceed any further in the matter, but at the same time, if their Lordships were of opinion that the matter ought to be carried further, he was quite prepared and ready to undergo the anxiety, expense, and fatigue of another pro secution. _ .Mr. Justice WILLIAMS-_I do not sec what discretion the Judges have in the matter. Is not the prosecutor bound iu recognizanccs to proceed with the other indictments? Those indictments are upon the files of the Court, and they must be disposed of. Mr. CLARKSON—The prosecutor certainly is bound over to prosecute. After some further conversation between the Judges and Counsel, the trial was ordered to stand over till next ses sion, and the prisoner was remanded. No case of any interest came on for trial in the course of the day. POLICE INTELLIGENCE. MAN SION-lIOUSE. A son of Mr. Stoekdale, who is now a prisoner the cells of the House of Commons, and who .IJresses his Lordship from thence, brought a kt er father, stating tlrit, iii as he con -sidored the High Sheriff of Middlesex had acted in the case of Stoekdale v. Ilanw:rd, he would suggest the ' .prourie.ty of the City affiressMg the Thro ne t o lib erate ,ha i High Sheriff, and to dismiss Ministers who dared to risk the tranquillity and safety of the empire at „such a moment by advising desperate measures, calculated to endanger the stability of the Crown itself. The Loan MAYOR having asked how Mr, Stockciale , 3e as, and having been informed that he was very well, pu alit letter in his pocket, without making any cowmen oon A man named Crawley, who deals in rabbits and dried ii i h, v ias charged with having possessed himself of a sove reign improperly. Henry Harris, an orange dealer, stated that, on return ing from a fruit sale in Pudding-lane, a sovereign dropped in the street through a hole in his pocket. He distinctly i sawit fall from ois pocket, an d h e as p l a i n l y saw t h e prisoner pick it up, but when he asked for it he found that he should be obliged to request the aid of the police to use the strong argument with the thief. The prisoner—Not a word of truth in it, my Lord. I never saw money, but I had a sovereign of my own along, with some half-pence, which I pulled out of my pocket to ac e if I had enough of coppers for a pint of heavy, !Ind I I'm sure he must have got. a glimpse of the gold as made i l irn claim it as lii'n. The Prosecutor—Why he denied that he had a sovc reiwn at all about him when the officer asked him. ''he policeman who apprehended the prisoner said that t he prisoner three or four times declared that he had no such money as a sovereign about him, but afterwards pro -1 d u ced it, and said it was his cwn. 1 The prisoner—Never said I had'nt ;by the same token, 1 .I got it for rabbits I sold that very same morning to a decent woman as ever was. The Lotto MA vox—How many rabbits did you sell for , that sovereign ? ' The prisoner—How many ? Why, you see, my Lord, II sold two shillings' worth, and I gave the woman change 1 of the sovereign. The LORD MAYOR—Now you don't suppose that you will make me believe a word you say ? Prisoner—l do assure you, my Lord, upon my hon our , this man and the police i men are false men. The sovereign is my money. 1 The LORD M &TOR— If you don't give it up to the ' prose cutor, I shall commit you for the robbery. The prisoner—Oh ! well, my Lord, if you think I ought . to give the sovereign to him why I wouldn't like to offend your Lordship; but it's on your account, and not on his, I 'give it up.—(Laughter.) The LORD MAYOR—Very well ; you are discharged ; but take care how you pick up people's p ro p er ty aga i n , if you are desirous to keep out of Newgate. CHURCH-RATES. ( Abridged from the Essex Herald.) BARLEY AND CIIILDERDITCII CHURCH-RATES. At the Brentwood Petty Session on Thursday last, be fore H. Walmsley, Esq., Rev. Messrs. T. Ludley, J. Pearson, and - Chapman, Mr. Butler, who farms very extensively in the parish of Childerditch, appeared on a summons issued against him for non-payment of 11. 195., the proportion of a church rate granted In June, assessed to him and Mr. Pig got. Mr. John Copland appeared as his solicitor. The case involved several points of law. Mr. Cross, the churchwarden, produced the rate book, and in answer to the interrog.tories of the Bench, said, that on the Ist of April a meeting was convened for the election of a Churchwardei.; that Mr. Hurst the Rec tor presided at this meeting ; that he proposed, and a Mr. Sparrow seconded his appointment; that the proposal was not put to the meeting ; that Mr. Jenkins, one of the pa rishioners, thought the parish would be better without any Churchwarden at all ; that he did not recollect that Mr. Hurst claimed the right of nomination ; that there had never been more than one warden; that no minutes were made of the proceedings of the Vestry, and that he was afterwards sworn into office by the Archdeacon. That in the early part of June a meeting was called to grant a rate; that the notice was properly affixed to the church door ; that estimates were produced at the meeting; that a rate was proposed, and an amendment moved ; that a poll took place, and that 5 voted for the rate, and nine against it; but that 4 out of the 9 having been excused the preceding poor -rate by the Magis trates, their votes were rejected, which made a majority of 1 for the rate ; that these 4 had paid the rate before, but having complained, 40 applications had been made to them for the last ; but a vestry was called who recom mended the Magistrates to st r ik e t h em out - that e ' were excused though n o t s t ruc k out ; t h at all p these er y sons were assessed to the ch urc h- ra t e; t h at this church-- rate had not been collected. Mr. BUTLER said that he had been willing to contribute (the Churchwarden admitted he had paid voluntarily much more than his rated proportion) to the expenses of the Churchwardens, but that he thought no person should be compelled to do so. Mr. WaestsLeY said that objections to Church-rates were more matters of the pocket than of principle. Every country ought to have some religion established by law, and whatever that was, it ought to be supported. Mr. Butler, being asked by Mr. Walmsley why ho re fused to pay this rate after having paid so many before, replied that he had not paid the preceding ones, but had succeeded in upsetting the last five attempts which had been made to get one. The Rev. Mr. LUDBET thought that the mere swearing in of the Churchwarden by the Archdeacon made his ap pointment valid. Mr. Copland, Mr. Butler's legal adviser, addressed the Bench in a very able speech, in which he pointed out, with much force and clearness, the various legal objections which lay against the rate. After which the bench de cided that the rate was invalidated by the rejection of the votes of tho four persons who had been excused from pay ment, but not struck out of the rate-book. None of the other objections were decided upon by the Magistrates. The gammons for the Little Varley Church-rate was t hen proceeded with, the result of which, as the Church warden was not provided with the necessary evidence, was that the summons was dismissed, and the costs paid by the Churchwarden. SPRING CIRCUIT.—The Judges appointed to go upon the Home Circuit, Lord Monger and Mr. Justice Lit tledale, have fixed Wednesday, February 26, for opening th e commission at Hertford, and business will commence on the 27th. The Judges will go to Chelm s f or d on t h e 2d of March, to Maidstone on the 9th, Lewes on the 16th, and Kingston on the 23 4: 1. The business likely to occupy the attention of the J u d g es upon this circuit is of a serious chara c t er . Th ere are three murders, one in which a young woman is charged with poisoning her husband under very peculiar and aggravated cir cumstances, and several other very serious cases. The Liverpool Courier says—" It is currently vporteki that the day on which the Queen's ntarriage is to be celebrated will be kept by the merchants and bankers here a close holiday. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. ROUSE OF COMMONS FEL 6. The SPEAKER took the Chair shortly before four o'clock. Mr. GREEN brought up the Reports of the Stand ing Order Committee on the Roxburgh and Selkirk Roads Bill, the Edinburgh Gas Bill , the LivFrpool Docks Bill, and the Level of the Wash Inclosure Bill. In all of which the Committee reported that the Standing Orders had been complied with , an d leave was given to bring in the Bills. The Edinburgh and Leith Gas Bill was read a first, and ordered to be read a second time to -morrow. Mr. GIBSON CRA IG brought in the Arbroath and Forfar Railway Bill, which was read a first, and ordered to be read a s econd time to-morrow. Mr. GEORGE EVANS presented a petition from Portraine praying for an Extension of the Suffrage, and for Municipal Corporations in Ireland ; also a petition from the Millers and Flour-merchants of the County of Dublin, praying the House not to remove the pro tection afforded by the Corn-laws. Mr. COMPTON presented petitions from East Dean and several other places in the county of Hants against the principles entertained by the Socialists. Lord SEYMOUR brought up the Report of the Committee on Railways. motion aor S ti i i s o r h9e ß. sofi n l w N mh iGac many yhl he had countieshapresented given 75 petitions in notice, England respecting infrom favour a C v ohf rio u rt the i he extension. Also, on the part of the Hon. Member for Radnor, similar petitions from the counties of Brecon and Radnor. Mr. O'CONNELL presented a number of petitions pfaying for the extension of the Elective Franchise and for Corporate Reform in Ireland, and imploring the House not to place confidence in any Ministry that would encourage Orange domination in Ireland, from the counties of Antrim, Cavan, Tyrone, Roscommon, Downe, Monaghan, Mayo, Longford, Waterford, and Londonderry. Mr. PAKINGTON presented two petitions, from parishes in the county of Worcester, praying for Church Extension. The Hon. Gentleman also brought up a Bill for regulating the Sale of Beer, which was read a first time, and ordered to be read a second time on Wednesday, 19th February. RAILWAYS -TRANSMISSION OF PARCELS. Mr. WALLACE said he had a petition to present which was of the greatest importance. It was from upwards of 1,700 persons in the carrying trade—of , London, Manchester, Sheffield, Leicester, Northamp ton, Birmingham, Wolverhampton, Worcester, Oxford. Warwick, Coventry, the Potteries, Lymington, and Walsall,—complaining that they were precluded, in a great measure, from the use of the Rail. ways. They stated that the Acts passed for the establishment of Railways, had given the proprietors of Railways power to effect monopolies in the carriage of parcels, which had been exceedingly injurious to the petitioners' trade. And they prayed the House, in the course of the present Session, to alter the law as to Railways, so as to allow for an open com petition among the carriers of the United Kingdom. He was precluded, from the forms of the House, from making any observations in support of the prayer of the petition, but he considered it of so much importance, that he should move that it be submitted to the Select Committee on Railways. —Agreed to. Lord JERMYN presented a petition from Suffolk against the Grant to Maynooth College. Lord SANDON presented two different petitions. from the Mayor and Corporation of Liverpool against two Dock Bills, the names of which we could not catch. Mr. FOX MAU LE presented a petition from certain inhabitants of Banff, praying the House to take mea sures against the intrusion of unacceptable ministers in the Church. THE CASE OF THOROGOOD. Mr. ROWLAND ALSTONE presented petitions from several places in Essex, complaining of the treat ment of John Thorogoud, and praying for the abolition of the judicial powers of Ecclesiastical Courts. SOCEALISM. Mr. HUAIE presented a petit;on from the secre tary, librarian, and mentlaers of a friendly society, in John-street, Tottenham Court-road, praying that the House should interpose to prevent the removal of Mr. Pare of Birmingham from his office of Registrar, on account of his alleged religious opinicas.. CHUltdi EXTENSION. Lord ASHLEY presented a petition from West Bromwich, praying for an extension of the means of relio,:ious education, as an antidote to the irreligioc, principles propagated by the persona who a_saumetl, the name of Socialists. CORPORATION REFORM (IRELAND.) Mr. SMITH O'BRIEN presented a petition from Limerick, praying for an extension of the elective fran chise in Ireland, and for the reform of municipal insti tutions in that country. Lord GR.ANVILLE SOMERSET presented a petition from some place in 'Monmouthshire, praying fur Church extension. Sir G. SINCLAIR presented a petition from the town of Bower, in favour of Church extension in Scotland. PRIVILEGES OF PARLIAMENT. Sir JOHN WA LS II gave notice that on Thursday, the 20th of February, he should more a resolution that in the opinion of that House it was expedient thet the differences existing between the House of Commons and the Courts of Law respecting the privileges of . that House, au th or i s i ng t h e pu b l i cat i on an d sa l e of papers by its se rvants w i t h out any act i on or proceeding at law being instituted against them, be determined by legislative enactment. CASE OF FROST AND WILLIAMS. Mr. GODSON postponed the motion of which he had given notice for copies of papers presented to the Home Office, on behalf of Frost and others till Tues day next. Mr. HUME gave notice that next week he should move for copies of all correspondence between the British authorities and the Porte, relative to the continuance of certain monopolies which had been abo lished by the late treaty of commerce with the Porte. REGISTRATION OF VOTERS (IRELAND). Sir J. GRAHAM, on behalf of his Noble Friend the Member for Lancashire, postponed the motion of which he had given notice, for leave to bring in a Bill for the better Registration of Voters in Ireland, till Thursday the 20th inst. ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE. Sir E. SUGDEN gave notice that he should take an early opportunity of drawing the attention of the House to the present administration of justice in the Courts of Equity, the Privy Council, and the Court of Bankruptcy. IRISH EDUCATION. Mr. Sergeant JACKSON not seeing the Noble Lord the Secretary for Ireland in his place, begged to give notice that it was his intention to-morrow to put a question to him relative to the mode in which the grant for education in Ireland was administered. ANATOMICAL INSPECTORS. Mr. FITZSTEPHEN FRENCH wished to ask the Under Secretary of State for the Home Department, whether it was the intention of the Government to appoint two more Anatomical In spectors. By the Act which was passed in the last Session, the Government were empowered to appoint three Anatomical Inspectors, and up to the present mo ment they had appointed only one. Mr. F. MAULE said that the Act was at the pm sent moment under the consideration of the Government. INDIAN MAILS. Mr. HUME wished to ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he could give any informatio❑ to the House, relative to the contract for the payment of the Mails to the West Indies. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that returns upon that subject were moved for last Session, but through some inadvertance, they had not been made. If, however, the Hon. Gentleman would renew the order that evening, there could be no objec tion to it. HILL COOLIES. Sit JAMES GRAHAM wished to put a question to the Noble Lord the Secretary for the Colonies, re lative to the Hill Coolies. Her Majesty's Go vernment, last Session, had come to a decision with respect to the emigration of the Hill Coolies After that decision was made known, some objections were made, and the Noble Lord had thrown out a sug gestion that probably Government might reverse their decision upon the subject ; but before that reversal took place, he wished the subject to be discussed in that House. Now what he (Sir J. Graham) wished to know was, whether it was the intention of the Govern ment to bring in any measure on the subject ? and if it was, he begged to suggest that on the introduction of that Bill would be the best time for discussing the po licy of the mode a d opte d far the emigration of - the Hill Coolies. Lord J. RUSSELL said he hoped the Government would not be under the necessity of asking for the as sistance of Parliament ; at tho same time be was dis posed to agree with the Right Honourable Gen tleman that the best mode would be to introduce some Bill on which the sense of Parliament might be taken ; it certainly was a very material change, and he should be very glad to know the opinion of Parlia ment on the subject. He would therefore consider the proposition to introduce a Bill, and in the meantime was ready to say that no final steps would be taken by the Government until he had decided. What he stated had reference to the Mauritius only. CHINA. Mr. HUME said he wished to know whether Cspt. Elliot had been recalled or not. If so, whether his suc cessor was sent out. Lord PALMERSTON said that Capt. Elliot had not been recalled, and that there was no intention to recall him. CLAIMS ON PORTUGAL. Mr. HERRIES said he wished to call the atten tion of Lcrd Palmerston, to a correspondence between her Majesty's Ambassador at Lisbon, relating to the payment of the sums of money to Sir John M, Doyle, and others, and wished to know whether that money was paid in part of the sum due from Portugal to Great Britain. _._ Lord PALMERSTON said, that by the treaty of 1817 the produce of vessels condemned and sold was divided equally between the two Governments, and there was a balance on that account of 3,0001. or 4,0001. due from Portugal, and that among the claims recently made on the Portuguese Government were certain small sums, which the Portuguese were informed should be paid out of that balance, which was done. That payment therefore would leave an undiminished balance claimed from, and due by, Portugal, arising out of the Convention (as we caught it) of 1826. POST-OFFICE. Sir C. KNIGHTLEY then rose and said, he wished to know if it were true, as he had heard that a person having a large claim on the Post-Office, had been ob liged to receive Stamp-Office instead of Post-Office warrants for payment in consequence of the Post-Office Department not being able to pay its own expenses. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he had never heard of such a fact, and he must have heard of it had it taken place.—(Hear, hear,) Sir C. KNIGHTLEY then proceeded to say, I wish also to ask if there has been any alteration in the receiving hours at the Post-office, because on 18th of January last—(A laugh)—the porter of the Carlton Club—(Roars of laughter)—went to the Post office in St. Martin's-le-Grand with letters to put into the post; he arrived there at 25 minutes to six,but he could not get to the window, so he went to the door of the office, and they told him they could not receive the letters. He saw the porter of the Athenaeum Club— (Laughter)—who also had letters—(Cries of " Ques tion," " Order," and laughter)—and he was treated with abuse by the party at the office. The man swore at him—(Laughter)—and on Tuesday last, as well as Monday, I put letters into the post-box here—(Laugh ter)—and I am sure they were put in in time, and I find that neither have reached their destination. (Laughter, and cries of " Question.") The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, I can assure the Hon. Member that if, instead of put ting a long string of questions here, he would reduce his complaints to writing, and allow me to make in quiries—(Hear, hear) —if any officer in the Post-office, or any other department, has behaved in the manner he states, he will receive no encouragement from those in power.—( Hear, hear.) But I don't think it is quite fair to make such accusations, without any opportunity of making explanations.—( Hear, hear.) DR. BO WRING'S REPORT. Mr. BAINES wished to ask the Noble Lord the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, how long it would be before the Report of Dr. Bowring, on the subject of the German Commercial League, would be laid before the House ? Lord PALMERSTON said the Report was printed, and would be laid upon the table in a few days. Mr. HUME wished to ask the Right Hon. Member for Harwich whether, as he had given notice of a mo tion calling for certain accounts, he would have any objection to lay upon the table the nature of that motion a few days before it was brought forward, in order to give Members an opportunity of making themselves ac quainted with the subject. Mr. HEItRIES would do so. An HoN. MEMBER on the Opposition benches had received a letter from one of his constituents, stating that he had transmitted the sum of 751. in a letter through the Post-office some short time since, and that the letter and money were both lost. A person at Dudley als‘) had lost 501. in a similar manner. He had had a communication with the Post office on the subject and he believed the matter was under investigation there. He wished to inquire whether it was the intention of her Majesty's Government to check, as much as possible, the trans mission of money through the Post-office. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought it advisable that persons should not transmit large sums of money through the Post-office. In so large a department it was impossible to guarantee entire security for the transmission of large sums, but small sums might be carefully transmitted by an order horn one Post-office on another. Mr. GOULBURN thought it would be of great advantage if the Post-office were empowered to grant orders for larger sums of money than they did at present. The Hon. Member who introduced the subject under stood then, that it was not the intention of the Govern ment to continue the system of registration of money letters established tinder the old system. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, under the old system there had been no system of registration of money-letters. Letters supposed to contain sovereigns had been placed apart, but there had Leen no regular system on the subject, and consi dering, the multitude of letters passing through the post-office, it would be impossible to establish one. THE KING OF THE BELGIANS. Captain POLHILL having proposed a question last night, which the Chancellor of the Exchequer at that time was unable to answer, would now ask at what period a return of the money paid to the King of the Belgians would be laid on the table of that House, and also whether it would be laid on the table before the Royal Marriage ?—(A laugh.) The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER had been unable to answer the question last night, because the Gallant Member had given him no notice of it. The only reason why the returns had not been made out be fore now was that the Hon. Member had called for certain accounts from the War-office to be included in the returns ; he hoped they would be laid on the table to-night. PRINCE ALBERT'S ANNUITY BILL. Mr. Justice EASY] \E and Mr. Justice 11IAULE brought Prince Albert's Annuity Bill from the House of Lords, where it had been agreed to without any amendment. THOMAS BURTON HOWARD. The Sergeant-at-Arms announced that Thomas Burton Howard was in -.ustody. The SPEAKER ordered him to he brought to the Bar. Mr. Howard then appeared at the Bar in the custody of the Sergeant-at-Arms. The SPEAKER—Thomas Burton Howard, the House has been informed that on the 24th of Januuary a writ of summons was served on the Messrs. Hansard, commanding theta to enter an appearance within eight days of the receipt of the writ in the Court of Queen's Bench in an action at the suit of John Joseph Stock dale. They were also informed that your name was endorsed o❑ the writ. Arc you the attorney in the action ?—I am. The SPEAKER.—What is the cause of action ? A subsequent publication of a libel. The SPEAKER.—Was that libel contained in a report published by the authority of this House ?—lt was. The SPEAKER,—Did you receive instructions from Mr. Stockdale to commence that action against :he Messrs. Hansard ?—I did. Mr. HUNIE.—In what publication of this House was the libel contained ?—lt was a report of the In spectors of Prisons. Mr. HUME.—The same as before ?—The same as before. Mr. Howard was then ordered to withdraw, and Lord J. RUSSELL moved that the short-hand writer do read over his notes of the examination, which was accordingly done. Lord JOHN RUSSELL then rose, and said, that the motion he had to make arose directly from the ex amination of Mr. Howard at the bar. The motion be had to propose to the House was to the following effect : that Thomas Burton Howard, having served a writ of summons upon Messrs. Hansard, the printers of that House, for the purpose of causing them to appear to an action in the Court o: Queen's Bench, which he had brought at the instance of Joh❑ Joseph Stockdale, against them for a libel which they had published in the papers printed for the House, had been guilty of a high contempt of the privileges of that House. Mr. HUME did not wish to offer any objection to the motion of the Noble Lord, but he begged to suggest whether it would not be proper to send for Mr. Stock (ye for the purpose of asking him whether he had given the instructions to Mr. Howard. Sir R. INGLIS did not believe that a single instance existed of a prisoner being brought up to the bar f or th e purpose of convicting another person and himself too. He objected to the motion of the Noble Lord, looking at the course which the House had pursued, when the second action was brought, namely, that of instructing a the Attorney-General to appear. He stated yesterdy that, he did not question the right of the House to summon Mr. Howard to the bar, because it would he impossible to carry on any private Bill without they had that power, but he did deny the right of the House to exercise the power of summoning parties to their bar for the purpose of inflicting punishment upon them.—(Hear, hear.) This was another step in which the House could with propriety desist from any further involving itself, and he hoped Mr. Howard would be discharged. Lord J. RUSSELL moved that the Admonition of the Speaker to Mr. Howard, on the former occasion, be read,riwhich was accordingly done by the Clerk. This admonition reprimanded Mr. Howard for having in deliberately issuing a writ of inquiry, and levying damages on the printer of the House for publishing proceedings by order of that House, b y which he had been guilty ut a high contemp t of the privileges of the House, which ought to be severely visited ; that the House, in its clemency, would be contented with thus reprinianding him. Sir E. :;UG DEN would move. as an amendment, that Mr. Howard be brought to the liar to-morrow. He did so for this reason, that the adjourned debate on the cas e of the Sherlffs would come on to-morrow, and the decision on their case might influence that of Mr. Howard. The SPEAKER wished it to be understood that Mr. Howard was now in the custody of the Sergeant at-Arms.—( Hear, hear.) The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said it was not for him at all to anticipate what might be the decision of the House on the case of the Sheriffs. The House might THE SUN, LONDON, FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 7, 1840. perhaps think there:were circumstances in their case which should mitigate their punishment. But the House were now considering what should be done with Mr. Howard. And when it was recollected that, after the admonition of the Speaker, which had just been read, and which had been ordered, nemine contradicente, to be entered on the journals, and after the professed regret of Mr. Howard for having incurred the displeasure of that House, Mr. Howard had instantly commenced aaother action. He trusted the House would not hesitate to commit him at once to Newgate. That seemed to him the only course open to them for the maintenance of their privileges.—( Hear, hear.) Mr. SHAW said ho thought the course recom mended by the Attorney-General was very severe, and he agreed with his Hon. Friend the matter had better stand over until to-morrow night, which be thought would be the more consistent course. He certainly thought the House possessed the power of publishing its pro ceedings 4 but he could not concur with the resolution which decreed that every other Court which pre sumed to decide on such questions was guilty of a breach of privilege. He thought the House was right in its original course of giving in struction to its servant to plead to the ac tion, and he thought the farther they de parted from that course the greater would be the difficulties in which they would be involved. He would go as far as any one in maintaining the just privi leges of the House, but he believed these would be be best maintained by not holding them beyond their just limits. He thought the proper course would have been to have brought a writ of error, and then if they failed, which he was disposed to think they would not, they could adopt the motion of his Hon. Friend respecting legislation, which would not fail of its proper effect. He hoped they would not set an example to the people of the country of resistance to the law, when it was well known that they had always maintained that their pri vileges were part and parcel of the law. He thought thought their dignity would not be compromised by such a course, while it would lay the best possible ground for future legislation. He was one of those who thought that it was essential to their privileges that they should have the right of publication, but he hoped the Noble Lord would allow a day to pass before he came to any decision on the subject. The adjourned debate would be resumed on Friday night, and the House would then have an op portunity of reviewing the whole question. Mr. WARBURTON said the question was not now what punishment should be inflicted on Mr. Howard, but, whether or not, he had been guilty of a contempt of their privileges.—(Hear, hear.) Of that they were the sole judges—there was no dispute about that. He found by a reference to the proceedings of the Court of Supreme Judicature in the United States that the same doctrine was held with regard to the right of the American Congress to judge exclusively of its own privileges, and he would refer the House to the opinion of the American Attorney• General on that point. The Hon. Member here read an extract from the speech of the Attorney- General. to the effect that the Congress were the ex clusive judges of their privileges, and had the right to commit for contempt. Mr. GOUL BURN would not take the authority of the Hon, Member for Bridport, as to what should be the course pursued by a British House of Commons on a question of privilege,—( Hear, hear.) He thought, however, the resolution of the Noble Lord ought to be carried, and he could not agree with the doctrine that, because the House might hereafter come to a different conclusion, foey should not now maintain their privi leges. He should certainly vote for the resolution. Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the House divided, when there appeared ; For the resolution For the amendment 45 Majority -102 Lord J. RUSSELL then moved that Mr. Howard he committed to her Majesty's gaol of Newgate, and that Mr. Speaker do issue his warrant accordingly.— ( Hear, hear.) Mr. JONES said he trusted that the Sheriffs wouid do their duty, and let Mr. Howard out.—( Hear, hear, from the Opposition, and laughter from the Minis terial benches.) Mr. D'ISRAELI could not understand why there ,hould be any distinction made between Stockdale's eatment and Mr. Howard's. Lord J. RUSSELL said he had before stated that the reason why he had proposed that Stockdale be sent to the custody of the Sergeant-at-Arras was that, antici 'wing the writ of Habeas Gorpus, h e w i s h e d , w hil e that was pending, to hay? Stockdale in the powkr of the House. That question having been decided in conformity with the privileges of the House, he saw no reason for taking the same course now. And to show that he did not wish any distinction to be made he , tween Stockdale and Mr. Howard, he should have no chjection to move that Stockdale be committed to New ,,4ate.—(Hear, hear, and laughter from the Ministe. rialists.) Sir E. SUGDEN said be now perceived the motive of the Noble Lord in keeping Mr. Stockdale in the power of the House—that he might make up his mind ,3 to whether he should obey or disobey the writ of habeas corpus.—(Hear, bear, hear, from the Ministerial benches.) He regretted that the subject should be treated with so much beat and party spirit by gentlemen opposite.—(Oh, oh.) The motion of the Noble Lord to commit Mr. Howard to Newgate bad been received with loud cheering, this he did not think showed a proper feeling on the )iirt of that House. He thought if Mr. Howard was to be punished it ought to be done with mildne ss . F or his o wn p ar t h e cons id ere d h e was acting judicially in the present case, and no party feeling, he could assure the House, would induce him to swerve from what he considered to be his duty. He was most anxious that this subject should be discussed with calmness, and he thought, therefore, that the better course would be to reconsider this subject to-morrow. He should, there fore, give his decided negative to the motion of the Noble Lord. The SPEAKER—Does the Right Hon. Gentleman intend to divide ? Sir E. SUGDEN_Certainly. The House then divided, when there appeared— For the Motion, ••• 149 Against it Majority Ng ew forat e70:1 the Committal of Howard to STAGE CARRIAGES (IRELAND.) Mr. E. TENN ENT moved for leave b• to ring in a Bill to regulate stage coaches in Ireland. Lord MORPETH assented to the motion, stating that the Government had no measure to propose on the subject, which was very complicated. Mr. HUME thought the Bill should be handed over to the Government. Sir R. PEEL was inclined to congratulate his Hon. Friend (Mr. E. Te t) nnen on this being the third Bill in which he had anticipated the " intentions" of Go vernment.—( Laughter.) Leave given to bring in the Bill. THANKS TO THE GOVERNOR-GENERAL OF INDIA. Sir J. C. HOBHOUSE said, in rising to propose a vote of thanks to the Governor-General of India, and to the army, for the late military operations in the West of that country, he followed a course which had been uniformly pursued, a:most since the commencement of the British empire from the time when grati tude was reluctantly wrung from persons who doubted of his policy for the exploits of the founder of that empire, Lord Clive. Thanks were voted to Lord Cornwallis in 179 ; to Lord Wellesley in 1799 ; to Lord Wellesley again in 1804 ; to Lord `Tinto in 181'2 ; to Lord Hastings in 1817 and 1819, as Governors-General of India, for their military ar rangements, their policy having been studiously kept out of view by those who bad filled the situation which he had now the honour to fill—in proposing the votes of thanks ; by Lord Castlereagh, in proposing those thanks to Lord Wellesley ; and by Mr. Canning, in proposing those to Lord Hastings. He should adhere closely to those examples, confining himself strictly to the Governor-General's military arrangements, thinking that course not o nly expedient but just.— (Hear, hear, hear.) Immediately after the taking of Ghuznee, her Majesty had declared her warm approbation of the conduct of the army in India, and the Court of Directors, and the Court of Proprietors, had also signified their approbation of the military operations. Th e Ri g ht Hon. Gentleman proceeded to say that Lord Auckland, in September 1838, issued a proclamation for the assembling of an army to the west of the Indus ; and in October he issued another pro clamation, which had been printed with the Parlia mentary Papers. The Bengal columns moved towards the west, the Bombay division also moving in the same direction. The monarch intended to be restored to his throne had preceded the march of the British troops. Owing to the unexpected hostility of the Emirs of the Sinde, Sir Willoughby Cotton was prevented from go ing to the rendezvous as quickly as he intended. But the concentration of the forces was effected on the 13th of February. The passage of the Indus by a British army was an achievement well worthy of remembrance. Thanks had been given to the General and the army for I the operation by the Commander-in -Chief, Sir Henry Fane; and thewarmest eulogiums had been passed noon the troops. The Indus, at the point passed, was 700 or 800 yards wide —a branch of it alone was 450 yards in breadth. Over the river a bridge had been thrown, upon which 8,000 troops, with 16,000 camels—the House might be surprised at the addition, but such was the fact—had crossed without a single casualty.— (Cheers from all sides of the House—especially from Sir H. Hardinge.) The bridge had been constructed by Lieutenants Thomson and Sanders, and no such structure, experienced officers had stated, had ever 'seen seen beforo, even in the Peninsula war ; and the spec tacle had been described as most splendid and pic turesque—brigade after brigade marching over to the sound of martial mr,sic, their arms glittering in the sun, and banners waving—the natives being exceedingly struck with the sight, aiid thereby strongly impressed with confidence in the British arms.—( hear.) Owing to the judicious arrangements of that Gallant Officer, ' Sir Alexander Burns, an agreement had been made with the Emir of the neighbouring country, for the occupation, by the British troops, of a strong fortress in his territory, In the month of March, the three small divisions of the army, only 21,000 strong in all,'had arrived at the walls of Ghuznee, the fortress so celebrated in ancient and modern history, and which would now be ren dered yet more famous by the gallant exploits of the British troops.—(Hear, hear.) This citadel, which bad resisted the efforts of warriors who had overrun India, which had kept before it Nadir Shah for ten months, had been taken by the British in two hours and-a-half. —(Cheers.) It was impossible to withhold a tribute of admiration from Sir John Kean, for the promptitude with which he had decided on the mode of attack ; and the troops, for the energy and courage with which they had achieved the victory.—(Cheers.) Nor was it less gratifying to reflect that the triumph had been gained with a trifling loss.—(Hear, hear.) It was on the 7th of August that the army reached Cabool. The Right Honourable Gentleman said it was deserv ing of mention that the prudent measure bad been adopted of leaving, garrisons in many of the interme diate places, such as Candahar (The Indian names it was impossible for us to catch) —so that, even in the defiles of Affghanistan, the army would have a reserve. Now, to show that though the army was small, yet that the care and skill required in conducting it through such operations was very great, he might mention that there were 27,000 camels, and 30,000 camp followers, who follow the army—an army which had marched 1,000 or 1,300 miles.— (Hear, hear.) In order to meet this, which the greatest military authority in the world had called a " truly vast enter prise," Lord Auckland had augmented the army, in twelve months, 40,000 men. There were threatening demonstrations on the part of many neighbouring emirs, and to be prepared for them, a complete army of observation was required along the frontier. He supposed that so far he had made out a claim for a vote of thanks to be given to the Governor-General, and presuming that to be the case, he thought it was impossible there could be any difference of opinion as to the merits of the brave soldiers and officers.--(Hear.) After having read what had been said of their brave countrymen by the great authority to whom be had just alluded, it would be absurd and presumptuous in him to say anything further ; at the same time he hoped the House would not think it unnecessary for him to ob serve that the effect of this expedition was such as those who were unacquainted with Indian affairs could scarcely appreciate. The impression in Europe was great and unexampled ; in India it had had the effect of at once tranquillizing the whole of that great region, and had altogether put a stop, at least for the present, to the in trigue of the restless court of the Prince, and prevented any hostile demonstration from the present Sovereign of Ava. Of course he did not wish to awaken the recol lections of Hon. Gentlemen to those famous scenes which were connected with the most romantic of the exploits of the most marvellous of ancient heroes. They were doubtless acquainted with the Journal of Near chus, and must be familiar with those spots on which now, for the first time since the days of Alexander the Great, the standard of any civilised nation had been seen. It was pleasing to turn from thc conflict of po litical parties to those subjects on which they could all unite. It had been the proud distinction of the country for many years to share with the Sovereign of the nation in rewarding those who had deserved well of it. None but a great—he should have said none but a free country—could be honoured with this distinction, and it was a great satisfaction, with respect at least to those who had deserved well of their countryin India, that the nation had not only been in general just but gene rous, and on this occasion it was peculiarly satisfactory to find that the warmest praise had been uttered by those who were politically opposed to the party to which he belonged, and to which it might be said the Governor- General of India also belonged. And perhaps the House would forgive him if he concluded by reading what appeared to him to be not only an eloquent, but a true description of that " great military enterprise," from a work which was generally opposed to the party to which he belonged on every point. he Right Hon. Gentleman concluded by reading a highly eulogistic ex tract from (as we understood) the United Service Journal, and having moved a vote of thanks in the same words as that of the House of Lords, sat down amidst loud choers. Sir R. PEEL could not deny himself the satisfaction of affirming the truth of the remark that had been made, and that no difference of political opinion could induce any party to withhold the expression of their satisfac tion at the success of the British arms, and their ad miration at the valour and perseverance of those by whom these successes had been obtained. He consi dered it a subject of sincere gratification to the country that, after an interval of peace of not less than 25 years, without the veterans engaged in those hostilities which would make this country memorable for centuries to come, in the absence of all practical experience in the field, the soldiers of the present day had proved themselves worthy of their predecessors, and that twenty-one thousand of the military made this country as distinguished as it was on the eve of the battle of Waterloo.—(Cheers.) This was the case not only as regarded personal valour, but to the exhibition of patience, fortitude, and perse verance under difficuities, which were equally entitled to the reward of the House. He felt it would be quite presumptuous in him, an unprofessional man, to add his tribute to those that had been expressed by infi nitely higher authority, but still no military man would be displeased with the declaration of a civilian, that, so far as he could judge, those engaged in military exploits had nobly performed their duty—(Cheers)---and there fore, so far as he was concerned, he gave his most cor dial assent to the motion ; but in doing so he regretted he should feel the necessity of saying he reserved to himself the right of forming an opinion upon the civil policy which had led to these achievements. The Right Hon. Gentleman had him self justified the necessity of giving great consideration to this subject. H e (Si r R. Peel) must look to the state of the finances, and to the probable consequences of the engagements we had entered into for the support of the Sovereign of that country ; and when they were told of the immense number of camels that had been employed in transporting baggage, and the force that attended the operations, which was said to be not less than 30,000 men, he must see the whole of their opera tions before he passed his opinion as to the advantage derived. The Right Hon. Gentleman then adverted to the introduction of the nameof the Governor-General into the vote of thanks, and said in his opinion it was im proper to include the name of a civilian on such occa sions, which were not directly sanctioned by precedent for although it had been done in the case of Lord Wellesley, that nobleman held a military as well as a civil commission ; and even then Mr. Fox had said that it was a new principle to vote the approbation of the House to any but those who had been engaged in the military enterprise, and had gone so far as to say he did not think Lord Wellesley would be very grateful for the thanks the House had voted for his share in the military operations. In the case of Lord Amherst, also, although it had been strongly urged by his friends that his name should bo included in the vote of thanks respecting the Burmese war, and although he had personally made all the preparations, Lord Harrowby had distinctly declined to act on the suggestion. He concluded by repeating that so far as the military exploits were concerned, the conduct of the troops had been such that the thanks of Parliament and the country had never been better de served than they had been on this occasion by the army in India.—(Cheers.) Mr. MACAULAY could not refrain from express ing his pleasure at the unanimity which prevailed on that occasion. Like the Right Hon. Baronet, he should not enter into political topics which were not raised by the motion of his Right Hon. Friend, nor would he go over again that most interesting narrative the House had listened to with so much pleasure. It would be, as had been said, almost presumptuous to add anything to the praise of the Conqueror of the Con queror of Marengo, of Massena, and of Soult, which must ever be regarded as the highest tribute. With regard to the observation that had been made with reference to including the name of the Governor-General. The vote of thanks of the Right Hon. Baronet had omitted to refer to the case of Lord Minto, to whom, after the reduction of Java, the House had voted its thanks for the part he had taken in superintending the matter. He thought, with the Right Hon. Baronet, that it would be better for the House to withhold its judgment on the political ques tion, but would express his firm conviction, that, on in quiry, this great event would be found to be highly conducive to the p rosper i ty o f t h e fi nances, an d o f still greaterimportance when they considered the effect it would have upon the natives, who, from the lowest to the highest class, were profoundly ignorant of the power of the various European Governments, of which they had no other knowledge than had been entertained by their countrymen in the time of Sir John Mandeville. Our power in India was sometimes over-rated, and .at other times under-rated. Of late, however, it had been thought that our power there might be shaken. When he was in India he could say with confidence that there was a restless feeling in the minds of our sub jectsthere to look forward to some great change, and to some approaching revolution, and to think that our power w as not w h at i t h a d b een i n ancient times. All kinds of rumours were in circulation, and there was a general disposition on the part of the natives to war, and a general belief that great events were at hand. Everywhere there vas a feeling in the public mind which was likely to lead tc some great calamity. He believed, however, that the great triumphs lately i.ehieved by the valour of our troops had dispelled these feelings with a rapidity never known in history, aa.l ho believed that there never was a time when the respect of the natives for European valour and Euro ! peen skill, and when their confidence in our star and j the fortune of our arms, were so strong as they were now. He therefore believed that the Right Hon. Baronet opposite, when he looked at these events, would see that all the expenses incurred by the expedition, and by EY EN:NG EDITION% Sir J. C. HOBHOUSE said that it was not neces sary for him to sty a sn%-tle word in reply, considering that the House was so unanimous in the present vote. If any doubt were thrown upon the policy of this great undertaking, he, for one, should be prepared to defend the course of policy that had been adopted. Sir HENRY HARDINGE said that he had un derstood the Right Hon. Baronet, in the course of his speech, to call General Sale a Brigadier-General ; now, it must be remembered, that that gallant Officer led the storming party, and he (Sir H. Hardinge) did not see why his name should not be included in the vote of thanks.—(Hear.) Sir J. HOBHOUSE said that it was his intention at first to have included the names of all the general officers, but he was afraid that some mistake might have been made in leaving out some of the names, which might have created a feeling of jealousy ; and he thought therefore that the best and safest course would be to put in the names only of the first and second in command.—(Hear, hear.) His own private opinion was, that every general officer engaged in the action at at Ghuznee ought to be mentioned if possible. Sir H. HARDINGE thought that the name of every general officer who was engaged at Ghuznee, and within hearing of th e fi r i ng th a t t oo k pl ace , aughtl to have their names mentioned. Sir J. HOBHOUSE said that no objection had been made to the vote as at present proposed in the House of Lords ; and he thought that there would be great inconvenience in the House of Commons coming to a vote different from that of the other House of Parliament. Sir H. HARDINGE could not but consider, if it were consistent with the forms of the House, that the names of all general officers should be mentioned. Sir J. HOBHOUSE said, that the vote of thanks was not only to the army at Ghuznee, but to the whole army west of the Indus. After a few observations from Sir H. Hardinge, Sir J. Hobhousc, and Colonel Salwey, Sir R. PEEL said, that he thought there would be an awkwardness in that House coming to a different conclusion from the House of Lords. He thought it would be better that the House should agree to the present vote ; and then, if it were found necessary, an other vote of both Houses of Parliament might be adopted, including the names of all the officers. Sir H. HARDINGE acceded to this proposition, and the resolutions were then agreed to. SOCIALISM. Lord ASHLEY said that perhaps it might save the time of the House if, at the present moment, he put a question to the Noble Lord the Secretary of State for the Colonies. The question he wished to put WAS, whether Mr. Pare, the Registrar-General of Births, Deaths, and Marriages, at Birmingham, had ceased to hold that office ? Lord J. RUSSELL said that Mr. Pare had sent in his nd resignation ed, that therefore, resignation t o hold the office— (Hear, hadbeen acc ep e t . l a l, (Hear, hear.) Lord ASHLEY said that as Mr. Pare had ceased to bold the office, it was not his in tention to press his motion with respect to him, but he though if Mr. Pare was guilty the Government ought A have dismissed him, and if inno cent they ought to have protected him by the whole force of the Ministry.—(Hear, hear.) He begged to give notice that it was his intention, at an early period, to bring the whole subject of Socialism before the House. Mr. WARBURTON rose amidst cries of " Chair, chair." If he were out of order the Noble Lord oppo site was out of order also.—(Hear, and laughter.) The SPEAKER begged to remind the Hon. Mem ber that there was no motion before the House. Mr. WARBURTON—Then, Sir, I mov e the ad journment.--(Hear.) The Noble Lord opposite has put a question and got an answer from. the Noble Lord,, but not content with that he has taken the oppor tunity of making observations on Mr. Pare. He had expected when the Noble Lord gave notice of the mo tion, that an opportunity would have been given to some Hon. Members to state what they knew upon the sub ject, and it was his intention, at the present moment, to state what had come to his knowledge with respect to the character of Mr. Pare. The petition which had been presented by Mr. Pare, with respect to his con duct, was already in the possession of Hon. Members.— ( Here considerable confusion took place, which pre vented the Hon. Member from proceeding for a few minutes.) He was not to be put down by such inter ruptions. The character of an individual was at stake, and such being the case, every opportunity ought to be given for refuting the insinuations that had been cast out, otherwise it would go forth to the world that Mr. Pare had resigned his situation, and no observation had been made as to the circumstances that took place to cause it. He should therefore stand on his right to make what observations he thought proper, but he trusted he should not be interrupted. The SPEAKER said that the Hon. Gentleman had moved the adjournment of the House, but he thought that that motion would not entitle him to enter into the statement he seemed about doing. Mr. SMITH O'BRIEN trusted that the House under the circumstances, would allow his Hon. Friend to make the statements he was about to do, consider ing the circumstances under which Mr. Pare had been placed. Lord ASHLEY wished to explain that he bad never said anything against Mr. Pare. Mr. WARBURTON--But the Noble Lord's ob servations, following the notice of a motion he had given, had a tendency to leave it in doubt whether Mr. Pare were guilty or not. So he should proceed. Sir G. CLERK must then rise to order.—(Hear, hear.) Surely it could not be competent for a Member, on a motion for adjournment, to make a speech on any subject—(Hear, bear)—particularly as on this occasion his Noble Friend had given notice, that he would shortly bring the whole subject of So cialism before the House.—(Hear.) Mr. HUME said the Noble Lord had made a speech —a short one, certainly—b u t a very important one not withstanding, it had the effect of a strong insinua tion against Mr. Pare. Mr. GOULBURN said he thought a very impor tant point of order was now at stake.—(Hear, hear.) He had no wish to prevent any explanation as to the character of absent individuals,—(Hear, hear.) But was it to be allowed as a precedent that a Member might interrupt the business of the House at any period by merely moving the adjournment, and then speaking on any subject he chose?- - -(Hear, hear, hear.) Let the Hon. Member give notice of his intention to bring the subject forward._( Hear, hear.) Mr. WARBURTON said he would not persist in making his explanation now against the general feeling of the House, as it might thereby only prejudice Mr. Pare.—(Hear, bear.) He would give notice of his in tention to bring that question forward to-morrow. Lord J. RUSSELL said he could not permit the discussion to drop without stating, that it arose entirely from an observation which had fallen from the Noble Lord entirely out of order—(Hear, hear)—and as it seemed to him (Lord J. Russell) quite unfounded and unjust--as it raised the whole question of Mr. Pare's guilt, and implied an inference which the Noble Lord had no right to draw. " NEW LIGHTS "_BUDS versus WAX. Sir F. FRENCtI rose amidst some merriment to move the restoration of the candle system of lighting the House.* Lord ELIOT suggested that it would be fairer to give Mr. Gurney, the inventor of the Bude light, a longer trial—(Hear)—and with that view recom mended a postponement.—(Hear.) Mr. HUME said he was anxious to have the best light possible at the least possible ineonvenience ; and, as he wished this experiment to be fairly tried, he , hoped the Hon. Gentleman would not press his mo tion. It was only on Christmas-day that Mr. Gurney was informed :the experiment would be tried, and he was therefore unable to perform it so satisfactorily as he would otherwise have done. It had been at first objected that there was too much glass, and Mr. Gurney had had the glass ground to reduce it. He also hoped to suc ceed in ventilatin g the Ho u t i s wl e en b uil y do a o rhc,eu,rirtnehsntaett instead r ot n fh w e a b r de d inu s sgt ; w th o e ol c d o b n e e q c u a r e r n i c e e d o f throughwhich raised and breathed as at present. With regard to the hiopEedastetrhe receliss t to be tried o, i of candles. tle expense o f thi s li ght, it was not more than half that when, if a d fter that there sho u ld b e any objection, he should havenothing more to say up on t h e subject. He only wished Mr. Gurney oulallow to have a fair opportunity, and the light to have a fair trial. Mr. WARBURTON said he was sure the Gallant Officer would wish that the experiment should be fairly made, and he could have an opportunity at any time of renewing his motion. For himself he highly ap proved of it —and as it was a subject which individually concerned every Member of the House, he thought , there should be a larger attendance to decide upon it. He sh ou ld lik e to have the Speaker's opinion upon the subject, which, he thought, would have great weight in deciding the opinion of the House. Sir R. H. INGLIS made an observation respecting the darkness of the House when the Hon. M e mber entered it at four o'clock. Mr. WALLACE, amid cries of " Order," referred to the extreme inconvenience strangers in the Gallery suffered from the lustres the Gallant Officer so much approved of. It was impos s ibl e at present for the publ i c to give sufficient consideration to the proceedings o f the House, to make their attendance the means of improve ment, without an alteration of the principles adoptedi for ventilating the House, which could be easily done.' He had nothing further to add on the subject of th lights, than that he Lad found them very convenient. Sir THOMAS FREMANTLE said the subje ct As this is a subject on which the duty we have to perform compels us to feel some interest, we cannot refrain from throw ing in this parenthetical observation, that we could not too strongly express the superiority which, in our opinion, the Bad ade light pos*stes over th e c h andelier plan—the calm, chas te, subdued—yet pure and splendid light which the former sheds, being a grateful relief from the glaring, eye-offending. ,, sight-destroying, v iew-obst ructing,beam-bewildering anno:t , `° ante of some hundreds of candles burning in a dozen differ directions, all over the House. thousands of camp followers and of camels, had been I followed by a most brilliant triumph, and were the re sults of a true economy. He would only say that it was with the most cordial Satisfaction he would join in the vote of thanks to the Gallant General who had com manded that force, and to the brave men who had acted under him. It was a pleasure to him, who had lately been a sojourner in that country, to hear of the vigour, the efficiency, and the ability with which the British army had performed its duty. If there was any thing that might strike a person who had associated with our soldiers in India, it was a disposition on their parts to think that Indian services were not so highly valued in England as services which had been rendered in other quarters. It was most striking, too, to see the interest with which they read every line in the Trnglish newspapers which related to the opinion entertained in this country of their efforts, because old men who had served their country in a foreign land were anxious to see that their services had not been forgotten.—(Hear, hear.) He therefore felt particular pleasure in believing that the House would unanimously concur in paying that honour to our gallant army, and in passing that vote of thanks to them which had been given by the other House, and which he knew would be confirmed by that which he had the honour to address. He trusted, too, that the testimony so nobly borne to their merits by that Gallant Captain who was himself the greatest General England had ever produced would in spire every man in that brave army with a resolution to expose himself to every danger which the service of his country might require. Sir R. JENKINS said that,'as he had already hind an opportunity at many events of great importanee, resembling those under the consideration of the House, he could not reconcile it witkhis duty to give a silent vote on the present occasion. It would, moreover, be ex cusable in him, as he had been himself tke mover of a resolution similar to that submitted to them, which had been passed by the East India Proprietors—a body nearly interested in the prosperity of our Indian pos sessions. He felt that if he addressed the House after others, there was this advantage in his doing so, that he need not enter into any lengthened details, as the facts had been already placed before Hon. Members. He could not, however, avoid adverting briefly to the rapi dity and to the effect which had attended that won derful campaign.—(Hear, hear.) When he considered the great extent of country which our troops had to traverse, that extent being a space of twelve hundred miles, and when he considered the great difficulties they had to encounter in their march, both in the way of natural obstacles, and of obstacles presented partly by their want of knowledge of the country, and partly by the savage nature of the inhabitants of those lands, —when he considered he felt considerable anxiety as to all this, the results of so hazardous an expedition. Need he say, however, that each successive report removed the anxiety which he had naturally entertained, and showed him that the skill of the commanders-, and the steady bravery of the troops, would bring the campaign to a triumphant issue ? Deserts had been safely crossed, and mountain-passes had _ been traversed, equal, he should say, to those of the Alps. All those efforts had been terminated by an achievement almost unparalled in the annals of any country—by the capture of Ghuznee —a triumph which had astonished the most powerful chieftain in India, had paralyzed his strength, and had compelled him to disperse his troops, and fly to the distant hills. The whole course o. these military ope rations had been exempt from the usual vicissitudes of war. Mighty armies had fled before a handful of men, and the strongest fortresses had fallen before a few thousand British troops. After appealing to the mili tary officers in the House, and to the Gallant General opposite, as to the skill and bravery with which the entire expedition had been conducted, the Hon. Mem ber proceeded to say that he would briefly allude to the general policy from which the expedition had its rise. He would say that there never was an expedition con ducted at such a distance from the scene of action, which had so completely answered the conceptions on which it had been based. There never was an expedition, he would venture to say, in which every individual concerned, from the Governor-General to the lowest soldier, deserved greater praise. With these impres sions he begged to second the resolutions which had been proposed.—(Cheers.) Sir HENRY HARDINGE said that the testimony borne to the merits of the English army in India had been so unanimous, that nothing remained for him but to express his admiration of that army, commanded as it had been by a Gallant Friend of his. The subject had already been brought before the House so ably that he had little to say as to the services of that army, and if he were to indulge in any observations on the ' subject, he should express his opinion that, great as were the merits of our troops in the taking of Ghuznee, their efforts, previous to those operations, were no less great than in the event which followed.—(Hear, hear.) Hon. Members had remarked that the army had patiently borne all the sufferings of a long and severe march, but it was also to be remarked that that march would also be celebrated for another event —our, troops had crossed the Indus, and that was, he believed, the first time that such an operation had been accomplished since the time of Alexander. That was a circumstance, which reflected honour on the ex pedition. He believed that the history of the entire campaign would show that the science of our troops was equal to their valour. He believed that the expe dition would show not only the endurance and the spirit of obedience which animated our own troops, but he also thought that the native soldiers, the Sepoys, had greatly distinguished themselves by their patience under fatigue, and he would state, that from what he had heard they had raised themselves greatly in the estima tion of their officers. Hon. Gentlemen had alluded to the extraordinary nature of the march, but he did not think that the circumstances which had attended the capture of the town had been sufficiently appre ciated by the House. That capture had been effected ,by a very simple expedient—by applying a bag of pow der to the gate. After some further observations on the skill displayed in the taking of the town, the Right Hon. Baronet concluded by saying, that it was with the most perfect cordiality and heartfelt satisfaction he found that her Majesty was about to confer on different parties engaged in the expedition the honour which she intended to bestow on them. He should conclude by setting aside all party and political feeling, and, by expressing a hope that the effect of our late military operations in India would be to impress on the inhabitants of Central Asia a conviction of our power, and Ly this means to secure the peace and prosperity of the people.—(Cheers.) Sir H.VIVI AN said, having been directly referred to, by the Gallant Member for Shrewsbury, and having en intimate acquaintance with the Noble Lord who held the Government of India, with whom he was in some degree connected, he could not but feel a deep interest on the question before the House, and would venture to over a few observations en it. The Noble Lord to whom he alluded was the party principally con cerned in the expedition, and he therefore thought that he was fully entitled to the praises that were given him. After some further observations, the Gallant Member proceeded to say, that with respect to the principal event the capture of Ghuznee, he would not enter into any details. There was one point, however, and an important one, omitted in the debate—that was, with respect to the conduct of the troops after they had forced their way into the town. There had been no instance of any im proper proceeding on their parts—there was no case in which females had not been respected, and there was no case of brutality, as was usual under such cir cumstances. He should say that he sincerely re joiced that the gallant soldiers engaged in the undertaking had upheld, by their moderation in the city the high character which they had acquired by their previous achievements. He should also state that his Gallant Friend, the commander of these troops, had maintained the high character which he had ac quired under the great English Captain in his various campaigns. When he considered all the circumstances of the case, he felt great pleasure in voting to the gallant Indian army, as had been proposed, the thanks of the House. Mr. HUME felt great pleasure in concurring with every Member that h a d s p o k en as to t h e great praise that was due to the army in India, and that their exertions richly entitled them to the thanks of th a t House.—(Hear, h ear .) H e looked back with great satisfaction at th e b o ld manner in which the expedition had been carried into effect. The conduct that had been pursued by Lord Auckland richly entitled him to the thanks of the country, and that pursued by the native troops, was worthy of the highest praise. He was most happy to hear it stated in that House that the army in India looked more to a vote of thanks from Parliament for any of their exploits than to promotion. He thought that the Indian army had not received its full 'need of approbation for the great exploits it bad effected. As to the expenses of the present expedition although they might be great, he was sure that they had been well spent when the result of the expedition was looked at, and the short time in which it had been effected considered.—(Hear, hear.) He most cordially concurred in the vote of thanks that had been proposed. Sir DE LACT EVANS concurred entirely in the vote of thanks that was proposed to be given to the Indian army, but he could n o t agree with the doubt thrown out by th e Right Hon. Baronet the Member for Tamworth as to th e propriety of givinga vote of thanks specially to Lord A uc kl and. He had had the pleasure of hearing the Duke of Wellington House of L or d s last night ; •and that Noble in the Duke's remarks were stronger in his favour than any other in dividual. If any doubt could be thrown upon the pro priety of the vote of thanks to Lord Auckland, consi dering the situation that he held, he thought the House would do well to make it a precedent now.—( Hear.) Sir R. PEEL could assure the Gallant Officer op posite, that in the observations he had made he did not intend to do any injustice to Lord Auckland. He had no doubt of the great zeal of the Noble Lord, but h e d ou b ted as to the propriety of giving a vote of thank s t o persons placed in the high situation which the Noble Lord held, but he begged it to be understood I that he had expressed no doubt whatever as to the ab stract merits of Lord Auckland.—(Hear.)