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is not nonserls7., for it appears to me to be the true IMPERIAL PARLIAM ENT HOUSE OF PEERS, IS.E.SDAY, NOV. 24. Soar routine business was di . sposed of,. and a Naturalization Bill which lay on the Table was -read a second time. Mr. VANsurTART-brought up from the Commons the Lottery Amendment The Molasses Distillation Bill was - also brought up by the same Gentleman. • Mr. LE-FEVRE brought up two Naturalization Bills. These Bills were severally read 3. first time, after which their Lordships 'adjourned till to-morrow, .when the House stands summoned upon one or .two orders. HOUSE OF COMMONS, UESDAY, NOV. 24. Lard "MIK ES BEI Rl' stated, that I-Tis MA JESTY had been waited upon with the Address of that House resp,c6ting the Treaty of Alliance be_ tWeen this Country and the Porte, and that His IvlroEstv had been pleased to say, that he would give direetions accordingly. - The SECRETARY at WAR gave notice, that he would to-morrow move for leave to bring in a Bill for regulating the Ballot for Militia Meg, and for making some alteration in the Law upon that' subjeCt. Lord HAwKEstuRY brought up the Treaty of Alliance entered into in 1799 between this Conn. try and the Porte.—Ordered to lie on the Table. Mr. CORRY said, that in consequence of an Order'.of that House, it became necessary for him to lay before them the Papers rela'ting to the Miscel laneous Services of Ireland. A difficulty, however, arose about the mode of h(ying these Papers before the House, because the forms upon this subjeta were not the same in this House as they were in the Irish House of Commons. In this House, the mode of laying the Public Services.before them was by Esti mate, and those of a private nature. by Petition ; but many of the Heads of Service which he 11.4 d to lay before the House for Ireland, would come under the head of Private Services, though in Ireland they were considered as public ; the consequence of which was, that they could not regularly be intro duced, except by Petition... It appeared to him, that it would very much facilitate the public business if those Papers which were considered of a public na. ture in Ireland, could be so considered here, and he should therefore take the liberty of submitting- to the House, whether they would not be pleased to make an order that all Miscellaneous Services for Ireland, which were there considered as public, should be so considered here: It was by no means his wish to trench upon any of the forms of the House, or to desire that any Service should proceed without the fullest inquiry ; he only wished -that those Miscellaneous Services which in Ireland were considered as of a public nature might be presented by way of Estimate, instead of Petition. • Upon these grounds he should move, that the Account of the i'vliscellantous Services, as far as they relate to Ireland, which were ordered to be presented on the 3d of November, should he prepared and presented in the. same form and manner that they used to be in Ireland. The SPEAKER observed, that if this plan had not been adopted, it would have created considerable difficulties, because if the Papers had been presented in a manner not consistent with the forms of the House, it would have been his duty to notice it. The CHANCELLOR qf the EXCHEQUER sup ported the Motion, He said, that his Right Hon. Friend bad applied for this as an indulgence ; he . only considered it as a temporary measure,, and he hoped, that under the circumstances, as they had been stated, the House would adopt the Motion, and not send back these Papers to Ireland, which could only create confusion there, n.' , d delay here. In futurr, however, he hoped that some mode might he devised applicable to both parts of the United Kingdom. Sir JOHN PARNELL saki, he did not wish to throw any obstacle in the way of public business, but he really did not know to what Services his Right Hon. Friend alluded; but without entering into any detail upon this subjed at present, he only .begged to say, that the more the business of Ireland was assimilated to that'oF this Country, the better .it would be for her. Mr. CORRY said, he should be very happy to give thesltight Hon. Baronet every satisfaaion in his power, and begged to inform him, that the ,Ser vices to whielihe had alluded, were of the following description, viz. the Sums glinted to the Protestant Charter Schools, to the- Board of First Fruits, to the Trustees for the Linen Manufaaures, &c. all of which were considered as Public Services in Ire land, though here they would come under the head of Private Services. Before he sat down, he wished to express his concurrence with the Hon. Baronet in desiring that every thing which regarded Ireland *night be assimilated with this Country. The Motion was agreed to. Sir 3. PARNELL wished to know whether these .Accounts were to be laid before Parliament : they. Were drawn up with great precision in the Offices in Ireland, and if they were printed, it would be of great advantage to those who wished to examine the Irish Accounts. The CHANCELLOR of the.EXCHEQUER said, there conld he . no objettion to it ; indeed it was desirable and necessary that they should be laid be fore Parliament. , Mr. CORRY said, that the Hon. Baronet must be aware, that they, could not nor be presented, because they were not made up to this period of the year; at the proper period, they would nndoubted ,ly be laid before the House. I'ANSITTART brought ap the Report from, •the Cotntni;ce upon Expiring Laws. The Report having been read, Mr. YANSITTART, in pursuance of the Reso lutions, moved, That leave should be given to bring ia a Bill for continuing the AA for prohibiting the Exportation of Provision. Leave was given to bring in the Bill, ~~; any such iTifeTiTion the Committee of Supply. The Resolutions were read and agreed to. Mr. VANSITTART moved, that the Awe should resolve itself into a Committee, to take into consideration the Mt for permitting the Importa tion of Naval Stores from Hamburgh. Tile House having resolved itself into a Committee, Mr. VANSITTART moved, That the Chairman diret.tedlo move for leave to bring in a Bill to repeal the A , ;l for allowing the Importation of Na val Stores from Hamburgh. The Motion was agreed to;' and the Report being brought up, Mr. ALEXANDER moved, That leave be given to, bring in a Bill for repealing the Mt allowing the Importation of Naval Stores from Hamburgh. Leave was given to bring in the Bill. Mr. FANSI7TART moved the Order of the. Day for going into a Committee to consider the Af respefting the Duties imposed upon Spirits dis tilled from Molasses. The House having resolved itself into a Corn. mittee, Mr. VANSITTART said, it was not necessary for him to expatiate upon this subjea, or to enlarge upon the propriety doing justice to the other part of the Unitdd Kingdom upon this subjea.— It was well known that the crop of Barley bad this year been very 'abundant, but, as the crop in the preceding years had been small, the stock in hand had been very considerably reduced, and it was an objea much to be desired, that the price of that article should be kept as low as possible, particular ly in those parts of the Country where'Barley was used for bread. Although the quantity of Barley which had'been used for the purpose of distilling Spirits, had been very much exaggerated, yet the price of that article must be affeCted in a certain de gree by opening- the Distilleries. The quantity of Barley used for the purpose of distilling, amounted' upon an. average to about .300,000 quarters, and the average amount of a plentiful crop was about 5,000,030 quarters, so that the proportion of Bar ley used for distilling was little more than a 20th part of the whole produce. At the same tittle, if any part cf the Barley so used could be saved, it would be a desirable objet, and therefore he should move, That it was expedient that the Duties paya ble after the tst of January. next, upon fermented Wash, brewed froth Molasses, .Stc. should be re duced to is. rid. per gallon. Mr, DENT said, he was sure that Ministers, in what they proposed to do, aEted upon the best ad vice ; and he was aware that the Revenue would be considerably increased by permitting the Distilleries to go on ; but they must be aware, that there was an opinion, or, perhaps, a prejudice, which had gone abroad, that permitting the Distilleries to open would increase the price of Grain.—He, how ever, had no hopes of any very beneficial effect being 'produced, until that monopoly in the Corn Market, which undoubtedly existed, could be done 'away, and, he trusted, that something would be done upon this subjeft to satisfy the public mind. Lord GLENBERVJE approved of the plan now proposed, of encouraging the making of Spirits from Molasses ; but his objea, particularly at pre. sent, was to call the attention of the House to the great mistake which had gone forth respeaing the quantity of Barley used for Distilleries. He had the honour of belonging to a Committee which had sat for a. long time, and had investigated the sub jeft as minutely, he believed, as it could be investi gated, and the result of their inquiries was, that not a greater quantity than had been mentioned by his Hon. Friend, was used in making Spirits.-- The amount of an average crop of Barley could not lie ascertained with great accuracy, but the quan tity used for distilling could be ascertained with to. lerable precision. It appeared to him so important that the Public should he apprizedof this faEt, that he thought it would be proper to appoint a Com mittee to make a Report upon this subjea, which should be fully 111:.:.'e known to the Public. • Th* e .CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that the question was not now .whether the Distilleries should be continued or not, but whether it was-expedient that the ldw duties should be con tinued upon Spirits distilled from Molasses, when the price of Grain was above a given amount, for instance, 4.5 or 465. a quarter : this certainly was a great price, but compared - with that • which had been paid for it some time past, it was A low one, and the objea of this Motion was, to create an in, ducernent to persons to distil from other articles, and consequently to sere Barley. Although the Motion now before the Committee - did not, stripy speaking, embrace those considerations • which had been alluded to by an Hon. Member (Mr. Drier), yet it did most unquestionably fairly open a discussion upon those topics. It was not, however, his intention to enter. at large into the subject at present, unless some objeaio.nsi made to the present Motion should render it necessary. He was perfealy aware that those opinions and preju dices which had been alluded to did•exist, to a very, considerable degree,. upon this subjea • but it was for the wisdom of Parliament to consider how far - they would give die& to those prejudices, and how far they would 'legislate .upon them. .Something was undoubtedly due to public prejudices, but it must always remain for the wisdom of Parliament to determine how much. it was only necessary for him to call the attention of the Committee to what had been stated by his Hon.' Friend, and what ap peared on the Reports of the House. It appeared that , the proportion of Barley ukd for making Spi rits, to the produce of an Average Crop, was not above one-twentieth part ; he meant of an abundant season like the present. In the year 1799, when' the (joy,ntry experienced great distress from the high price of provisions, it.was the recommendation of a Committee of that Hot*, at a time when the price of 'Grain was higher than, at present, and when the price of Meat was lower—it was, he said, the recommendation of a Committee. of the House, not to discontinue the Distilleries, and the. House atied upon that advice. At that period, too, Potatoes were not-near so abundant as they now are. The House at that time thought that the advantage which would result from the price of Meat, wtich it was supposed, would result from, permitting the . Distilleries to go on, would counterbalance the in. • crews! in the price of drain. It was also to be re that time than, fortunately for the Country, it was - at present...—There were upon this subject other considerations, which mutt present themselves to the -minds of gentlemen, and some of which had been alluded to. One was the Revenue the Re venue was undoubtedly a most important. object, though certainly less so than others which he would not now enter upon. With regard to the Revenue, he thought it right to admit, that the advantage that woidd accrue to it from permitting the Distil. Jeries to continue, was not so great as had been imagined; for the duties arising. from Spirits dis tilled from Molasses, Arc. were so considerable, that they went a great way towards making a compen sation for the loss sustained by discontinuing the distilling from Grain, If Gentlemen would turn their consideration .to the situation we stood in with regard to Ireland, they would perhaps be still more convinced of the propriety of not giving tot) much'to prejudice. In Ireland, as in this Country, the Barley harvest had fortunately been most abund ant, and the price was lower in that Countty .than in this ; and though it was above an export price, it was still low enough to make it worth the while of the Distiller to carry on his trade. And not witlistandingevery regulation, there were in pri vate places stills at work in Ireland ; and all the activity of the Cruizers, could not prevent Spi . tits being smuggled into this Country from thence. If, happily, there existed a free intercourse be tween the two Countries in the article of Grain (but this subjeCt, which was of the greatest im portance, had been wisely reserved for future dis. cussion in the Articles of Union), many of the inconveniencies to which he was now alluding, would be done away. For then, instead of .receiv ing the Barley in the shape of Spirits smuggled in from Ireland, to the injury of the fair trader, and to the diminution of-the Revenue, we should receive the Barley dirett from that Country, whenever the piece was such as to permit the exportation from thence. But now the English Distiller was prohi bited from carrying on his trade; while, in Ireland, notwithstanding all the vigilance that could be used, the Distilleries were carried on in places of concealment. Indeed, information had been re ceived from the Irish Government, that.distillation was carried on to a great extent in that Country. — The question was, therefore, whether they were to allow all the mischiefs of an illicit trade, which were too obvious to render it necessary for him to com ment upon them.—lf then, it was considered, what was the importance of giving encouragement to the produce of Grain, and what was due to the persons concerned in the Trade (which, though they ought certainly not to be put in competition with, the public interest, yet ought by no means to be ne-. gleCted), and when it was 'considered that the great price of Meat might, in some degree be re duced be opeoing the Distilleries (and he was au thorised by the Reports of those Committees in en:- tertaining that opinion), when all these subjeds were taken into consideration, there would be a strong groued, laid, at least, for pausing, before a general disposition was indicated to give way at once -to general prejudices. Mr. DENT' explained; He hoped, he said, the prejudices that had gone abroad_ would be done awa r , when it was understood, that so small a quantity of Barley, in proportion to the whole pro duce of the Kinejlorn, was used in the Distilleries. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER , said, he wished to add' a few words to what he had before said upon the sebjeCt. It must be understood, that Barley was, at the present moment, at an im porting price, and therefore, that we did not depend merely upon the produce of this Country for a Sup ply of that Article. An opinion had, he said, gone abroad, that Wheat , was used in the Distil leries.; but it was well known, that to use Wheat in that way, was contrary to Law, and the persons so using it were subjeet to very heavy penalties. He wished it however to he per feCily understood, that he believed it to be the fad, that no Wheat whatever was at the present moment used- for the purposes of distillation. He wished likewise to make are observation on the Bounties paid on the importation of Corn. He had on a fbr mer evening stated the' amount of those Bounties to be only 700,0001. He did not however mean to include in that sum the charges incident to the subject, but merely stated the amount of the sums actually paid for those Bounties. This sum also atlually paid for _Bounties, which was in fait 718,0001. must only be understood as the amount of the sums paid up to _the period when the last Account was presented to the , House.. Since. that period many sums had been paid for Corn Bounties, and if he did not state an opinion as to the glual amount' of those Bounties at The. present moment, lie wished it to be understood . that in stating the amouni at 7d0,0001. he only confined .his statement to ::the' period before alluded to. He was sorry to say , Ile was-afraid they would considerably exceed that stolid The Resolution was then agreed to,- andi;,Ahe House being resumed, the Report was orderect - to be received to-morrow. The further consideration of the Iteport.relative to the interference of Peers in Eleaions, was post. polled till this day week. , • Adjourned at half past five. F 10712 the LONDON GAZETTE, Nov. , 24, 'Sol. Whitehall, November 24, 18oz. . The King has been pleased to grant to his most dearly beloved- Son Prince Augustus Frederiek, and to the heirs male of his Royal Highness's body lawfully begotten, the Dignities of Baron of Arklow,_ Earl of Inverness, and Duke of Sussex , of the United kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. The King has also been pleased to grant to )is most dearly beloved Son prince Adolphus r re4erick, and to the heirs male of his Royal Highness's body lawfully begotten, the Dignities - of Baron o 4 Cul. loden, Earl of Tipperary, and Duke of Catnbfidge, of the United• Kingdom of Crreat,Britain and Ire. land. inr-I.lfftce iv&vemaer 24, tliot. STAFF. English gandiford, Gent. to be Assistant -Commissary of stores, Provisions, and, furag, tv tkc forces sertg4lll tile WeSt - Lewis Tobias Jones, Esq. late - Captain in the 14th fo o4 vice Gibbons, deceased. Charles Cornet Bacon, Gent. from half-pay as Captain 44 the 92d Foot, vice Alger, resigned. To he Barrack Mauer a 1 the Babamar. Robert B. Carre, Esq. Barrack Master and Commissary the late Expedition, at ITelvoetsluys. Commission in thd,, 2,1 Royal Regiment of Tower-Haml et; Militia, signed Lird Lie:4ienant . Dated OEio -'T IS - Walter William Lewis . , Gent. to bc Ensign, vice Everett* resigned. Commirrion In the Royal Regiment of Devon Ind Cornwall Miners, signed by the Lard Warden of the .s:annarier. DO° CLFtuber 29, IEOI. 'rlu.butaA Lupton, Gent. to be Ensign and Assistant—Sus-01' B.INKRUPTC.IES ENLARGED. Dec. 22. Thomas Dobson, of Kendal, merchant, at eleven► at the Star Inn, Mancllester. an. y: Robert o;oven and William Mantle, late of Mundy ditch, coppersmiths, at ten, at Guildhall, an. io. Samuel Haigh, of Manchester, merchant, at telt at the COmmereial Inn, Manchester. ANKRuns.. • Samuel Holmes, of Thomas-street, Southwark, merchan t, to surrender Lecember 5, za, and fanuary 5, At ten, 11 . Guildhall. Attornies, Messrs. Carter and Sheffield, VP' 'cott-street, Goodman's- Fields. Jo lin Furber and Thomas Warrington, of Warnford-courlf • merchants, December 5, 1 2, and 1 anuary $, at ten, at Guth ball. Attornies, Mr. Puce, Pump -court, Temple; M- Aubrey, Took's-court, Cursitnr.street. Robert Little, Letitia Little, Ann Little r ar.d Mary Elle Little, now or late of SOuthwell, Nottingham, woollen' drapers, December 4, and fanuary_y, at three, at Spe" cer's Tavern, Manchester. Attornies, Mr. N. Milne, 1 . 4 4 _5 court, Temple, London; or Messrs.. Milne, Sergeant, aP" Mile: , Manchester. - William Ilawksey, of Liverpool, rnerchtot, December it . 23, and January 5, at one, at the Globe Tavern, 4,iverpr Attornies, Mr. E. Blackstoek, Liverpool ; or Mr. s' Blackstock, Fig-Tree..court, Temple. James Morley, of Waleot, SOmersetshire, -vidtudlert Dr A ember •g, at four, so, and January 5, at twelve_,_ at U.' Christopher Inn and Tavern, Bath. Attornies, Mesir s ',„ Shephard and Adlthgton, Gray's-Inn, London ; or ra" Sheppard, Batli John Davis, late of Fullwood-Rents, Holborn, viitttalle, ' December t 8, and Janizary,s, at ten 4St A t torney Mr. Abbott, Roll's-yard. Chlncery4ane. JA.sper.Richardson, of Carlisle, grocer, Decembers', si 4 January ;, at eleven, at the Blue-Bell, Carlisle. Atto;oie"_, Messrs. Pearson anti Son, Pump-court, Temple; or Ash Carruthers, Carlisle. - David Mayman, at Batley Carr, Yorkshire, clothier, DeCelq her 15, at tile, 16, and January s, at ten, at the Man Saddle Inn, Dewsbury. Attorney, Mr. Sykes, NeWAP"' London. Thomas William Copper, late of Pancrass.lane, LandA warehouseman, November zB, December 8, and January a at one, at Guildhall. Attornies, Moats. Sheppard SM Adlington, Gray's-Inn. John Finlayson, now or late of Liverpool, merchant, Deeen" , her, is , 16, and January 5, at twelve, at the Globe Taver_t Liverpool. Attomies, Messrs. Lace and Hastall, pool. Peter Chamberlin, of Norwich, Jirten.draper i DeeeMber_ k * so, and January $ , at four, at the I.; . .ingis-Head, Notvii‘"' Attorney; Mr. R: Bygrave, Norwich. DO Thomas Coulson, of Fenehurch.street, eheesemongerr ceniber a, la, and January 1, at ten, at Guildhall. At Whip '} Messrs. Robinson and Crawford, Craven-Buildings, 4 0"/ Road. LiIVIDEIdDS. Feb. 6. Wm. Hyland, of Robertsbridge, Sussex, gri?cert one, at Guildhall, London, Dec. 15. Thames . Parry, of Birmingham, haberdashers *4 elev6n, at Guildhall, Lontltin. Dec. 19. -Win. Banett. late of Cheapaide, London, wholc • sale linen-draper, at ten, at Guildhall. Dec. 22. Nathan Sutten, of, Watwotth, Suffey, vidualleff at eleven, at Guildhall, London, Dec. 16. John Haigh, pf Low Whisky, Northumbertalt Dec.el vet . , at W t the hlt P e ' H e i a t T K a V in er g s n t ng ors% br ewer,o elf, faclor, at e ICVen, at the Shakespeare Tavern, in Newcas upon-Tyne. Dcc. ag. Philip Leigh and john Leigh, late of DartmotUN Devonshire, merchants, at cloven, at the - castle lnr i, mouth. • ia bn ' Dec. Robirt Richardson, of Corporation.row, street s Middlesex merchant, at one, at Guildhalls 1-gmw RTI FICATES. Dec. is'. Israel Ogden, late of Midg)q, Yorkshire, trat in#4 manufacturer. Timothy Topping the younger, of Chapelysttget, Vogl* vine, George Bal.;elvell, of Birmingham, bakes. Robert Moore Whiteside, of Cheshuht.stratt, Hertfoadiel grocer. Edward Williams, of Limper:4; - baker. - Ripley, of l‘ings.ton-upob-Hull, ku boei and shee.- David qt . 3stinti,strccs, stable-ke.epet. THE S 1.1 lULIRI QUIZ DZCtps YALAULL AUDZA,2? LONDON, NOY.EMBER 21, cBol. WE haste reason to believe that the Definit ict Treaty will be brought to a point in a very slO g time, Whenever any thing is concluded upon fi : e l i t subjeeli the Confidence which is reposed in us vi P. enable us to communicate to our Readers whate fel is ptoper for 'general. COminunication. I nc 10 1 cipal points to be adjusted are the Settlement o ' d't islandof Maita4bithe appointment of some ?O f° who is to gliarantef- its Independence—.—the vision to be made for the Knights who are restoieu° and the arrangement and pay of the Military Estes blishment which is to be formed.. What relates tc7 this subject tormt,the only polar of any difficulty , The Indemnity to be made to the Pitt.gcs OikANG4, will also form a subjeft of discussion "' and .some arrangement will be nude respeding Jr, Payment of the Expences con traaed on both siticoi on account of Prisoners of War ; the balance 5 which Account is very much in favour 'ol° l s Country. Whether this Debt is to be repa id to ti; by Instalments, or whether the Island of ToPi rt shall be restored to us as a Liquidation of the Del/6 is the point - to be adjusted. Although the 151 0 of Tobligo 'is - not in itself very valuable, yet i f/1 ; P roved . as it has been by British Capital, and peopl as it chiefly is by British Subjeds, we should 1) 0° 4 , the acquisition of Tobago to any other S e ttl e d ; •of the Account which is likely to he prop° : Besides these, there are some other collateral PO' which are of less importance, and the discussion I WhiCh is not likely to lead to any lcnvh. The greatest preparations appear to be making,,i) 0 11 ' d iunce fat the Expedition to St. DarNivo, to s at ' At ~;t 4 . : ~a ,+, ~a th Stn 11,11