The Sun. — London, England, 1853-05-13 00:00:00

BFIAR_ - ARKETS.-(THIS DAY.) BRITISH RAILWAYS. Stu..l p, RAILWAYS. , Aberdeen .......... 84 eimbg. Noting. Bost & Eastn. Junc....... II %ruing. Wolverh. dt. Stour Valley. ..... ... li; I3irkenhd. Lancsh. & Cheshire Janet— ill Do. Chesh. & Birk., 22 18 £5O & £25 Cen5....4 Do., £2O .. _ ........... St. 1 0 Bristol & Exeter."... St. 100 Cal edonian. ..... -- -• 50 5O a all Cheater & Holyhead 20 45 all Cork a n d Bandon.... tO all C ork, Black- & Pass. 25 Dnb lindrßelfa.stJunc. all Dundee Perth dr-U-4er dn Junction ....... 5 all Do. ee New .- — ••• •• 25 all East Anglian (.£25 L.l 11. • ••• ll Do., (XlB E. dr )" 11 Eastern Counties Clas- 11 Eastern Unions , A. lat e E . U. 5h.... 00 ..... -••• 11 De. E. di 0... ........ - Baal Lancashire ......* all East dr West Ind. Dk. 4 Birmin g . June.... St. 100 E dinburgh & Glasgow St 10 160 1 4sEdinb . and Peebles... St. . 100 Edinb.Prth.&Dundec Gl asgow & S. Weste rn St. 10 0 St. 100 G reat Northern Stk.. Do., A. Stock .... S t. !. Too Do., B. Stock ...... '". 100 it. Sth. &West. (Ire.) 'St, 100 Great Western. -• ••• 12 11 5O all Lan I South-ECarasie. rish aster le m t.ll Ui ao., Third s . lis ..,. .. ' • as. 100 15 La n cash. &Yo r k s hi re 1 20 Do., Fifths ... ...... "• 1 llil Leei 00., W s t. Riding Un. Northern...—. `4l all Id .CrsbydrSoutbpt. 111 -,' Ins .4.1 London dr BLlckwall € b 3 Lo ud. Tilb. & Sth en d . us. 10. 100 0 Lond.Bright.dg,S.Cst. rat London &N. Western 12 Do. peth. i o 1 . or, )16/.8h -11418.- C --t. 100 tiondon & F. Weste 50 42i Do., £5O. 0 31 Do £ 4 O.- -• " —... i 2) all Lnandrry,&Coleraine " all L o ndrry. dr Ennisk• Bt. 100 Ift'anch.Shef.&Lincln. t ,N 41 Do., Man e & Un. :k 100 Ntidlazd •.• • • : ... .. ;.. xn n t• 100 Do. Binning... Dezny 97 .f7i IllialandG.West.ar.) •••, J. 74 shares . ••• ••• 16n 0 all Newcastle & Carli sl e.. 1'5.; 100 Newmarket.. • ...... ' f,!6! 3 4 Do. Bury Bit:elisions f 2 16 Newpt.Aberg.&lltfd. muu 74 New ry di Enniskillen - " v all Newry Warren point W . O & Restrevor. ......... all Norfolk. . ... ........... Do., New.- - • Northri. Counties Un -00' North Illitish .... ..: .. 13 North Devon, No:1- De., No. 2... ..... - ...' "' D e., i A Deferred ... 5 Do 4 B Guaranteed l7i North Staffordshire- North Western.. ..... .0 N, di S. weatrn. innc. /0 Oxford Worcester dr ~, Wolverhampton.. ••• I, Scottish Central .- 2 Scottish Midland ~,Pu Shrewsbury & tirn,”. " D o., L. & N. Westn. 8 Sh guaran teed Stock... e wsy. & at Ilerefd. Shrewsby. Chester (lior. NV. 31111.)--••• I (Nor Ralves, do. ....- 11 1)0. 08Wedry .... .. • 64 Shropshire Union: • LII South De on .. .... .. - ,X,.) South EZern...--- 41 South wal es .. ... 1.5 S. Yottsh. RivnrEinn 5 13 °• ... • ,I 6 Stoe.liion.d;iiartlepi. .0 Thaalif.; Have Dock am ItailwaY ......... i 1 Vale o' Neath..• •• al Waterfd. & Kilkenir ,11 Watel:ord&Lireer;e 3 'West Cornwall.- ... Is.VinUed Szero110)" 1 .rlootlfor°cl. . ..v • ' stork isl'ewct.l.dx. •Berw.... lil2'o. Ezten io ... .. 00. G.Ns. nusrchos e . , York dr N. Indiana' 2I 3 1 12 18 I a i 20 a l 25 al 2 5 f3t. 8 7 20 1 : 20 ai 10 1( k. 10( 1 3 t 'I ~, , t , I I 2, t . 11 -,„ li 10 2 4. a n . 1 34 2 0 a 20 a. 60 gt, 7 4 t ) ,9 2 0 4 2 0 1 25 I I! 50 Par 3i 2i 8i 53 Closing Prices Yesterday. 29 - 30 6 - 10 - 10 61 -- 64 11 21. - 22 102 -- 2i 104 d 68 -- 681 23/ -- 24 1 224 -- 234 4i - 5b 8 - 6 - 64 - 4g 13k - 13$ 10 li 7 i - 7i 7 3 - 74 54 - 56 72 -- 74 32 - 34 89 -gp - 55 -- 57 132 - 134 113 -- 114 1 90i -- 914 84 -- 93 -- 95 13i -- 14 p 79i -- -- 804 4* 0 3 --21 d 16' -16 i 9 - -2 1044 - 1654 118 - 1194 24 - 3 p 14 ^ l 90 -• 91 ip 5 - 44(1 4 - 12 - 13 19 - 21 30 - 30 , - - 754 42 - 44 52 i P 3 d - 9A - 55 - 2 d 1011 1184 14i •• • --. . 8 1 ...d 4s(l ••• Pi G 3 - 54 97 - 99 613. - 62) 66 - 68 73 76 I.f °Pis 18 20 9 10 13 15 31 34d 20 -21 i 741 754 33 37 14 15 4 4 19 21 901 90 21 3i 35 -- 15 1 . 9i 101 .73 ; 1 34 101 ICI d par, 70 -- 71 4 -- 7 ' 7 2i —24 d 614 -- 6241 ni f 36 sti, 75 43 37 9I G 2 1/ .;-......_ 1111 ENCE SHARES, ou all 1:10. AbeNordeen.. ..., , 2,iP• c•• ° 2 /1,..1i5. 4 E x . 4p. c. St 5 '-'O. 4p. c. Shares .. J 00 Caledonian XlO . • 41 Chester 4, uolyi;eaci ni Co ric 4 4r. 5i Per cent... dt Bandon 5 a P• c• 41 bulideePortlidlAber ,l, Been Junction .... "1 EastA nglian (.£3 10s) h 6 per cent. ..... ....• .‘., Do. (t 5) 7 per cent.. 2 110. ( 4173) 7 P. ct • 11 eastern Conutics Ex; Ne. J. il tension, sp• c. ; 4, bo , No. 2.. • ........ ' 1-2.0.. New 6 P• r* '-'..... 4 44; tern Union, S,.:rip fl G uar. 6 per cent....et.. " N astLancash. 6 Fliidee i toinb.Prth'&D ..... Si 5 qi ....g p o/7 & S. er cent *este= „_ - tuar 5 Per cent. g reat eat North!' o. 60. 5 )0 p. teem. t , D. C. prem...• (11. son-thn. d,weetn. A Da re d) l an Eighths... - westn. (Berke & )(1 0 Rants Ex• 5 P- e").. \Vest. fixed 4i p c. 1)0 , p . c. NA- Lan. dt York. F. L:2°' v "v , StOM.. London and:Brighton' Quaranteed 5 p. c... p,..f 5 „ c. St. al be 60;av"erdle, sp. Do, 1852 ...... ....... . bo. New Guar. 6P-e• - London rn Gordo S.Weste Coil. Thirds. , i share _ ... ad erryd;Col er . rs (iqua y, %nehSher NI Shares, Isio , do Lin. Il e. 6 N .... 4 ,ewrYtdiCarl. 4 p. c. Kod ,°. per cont..." .... p " ..... Zo.asol..l3risto: 1 di eG per cent.... \i„ r, 4i per cent. 'rroik txtension 60. 11.1 at. per ct..l vo 11)hBri tish. 5P 6 pa f_ • rdshire.. \I/07. worcester bo. 'ta tls,fi . ,) . N. ~....ewsby. St Chester P• Routi; e t'• ...... bo. von• . ......... v.1‘,1 ......... ... As,,1;:,(1.011 (Readl ,s 1,0;1'c) os.ex. tirq„ 'h4• e• Guar. 1(1•&ltilk Op e Y°rk New • • • 50 eniatie and ° ...... I. 13,EN ....... wand 11. 13* I'l:trek._ ‘llt.weitiot PORI 44'lki,tEatito.tlui Jan et. ,itZlNtoQra6 s 4 CDrila.ijotiler_oiAt-r-qkticBBaelin. sattli4r 1/4°4 ~. ,henisli. ...... (A5t1044,. :. . 1 0 13% txten'idon : 44t• tadian Peninatil Fl 41: J . :: : ei t. of France tiZe Le:n(4044141a. 'll'ea Z ...... N.et oja sp.c. il s. 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(44 ° 11 4 4'.1)e r :To isr. 90 - - 95 106 - 108, 1107 -- 1:691 191 - 20, Ci - 4 - 4 1 i - 111, 2 - 2 pl -2 A p 15 - 1541 is 18 31 - 3i do = 132 1112 - 113 8 1 - 8 1 lot; - 108 152 - 154 ••• ••••• Id •• • - Id 1154 157 3i - 4 p 10 - 11 In - 144 8 - 9 - - 1 p, 1 14 9 —lslxd i—i p 114 116 25 i - 26: 14 —11 p 17A 183 i Ip , 15 16 par - - AP 26 1 26 19 i 20. id i par I I " 106 i - i P 113 =l7-7-di 2 .-- 14 R., __ -__ -- P -- 9 . 2R? ..._ p 115 261 6 11041 Par 1 pi 7 ' 1 d 21 -- 2 AI 8 3G 37 - i 14 -14 i 8 94 18 -- ur 43 4 ....... 45,E -._ 37i 44 46 51 37 6 P -- 2 9 1 A p -- z 2 94 6 ..._ --___ di 1„ lid 2i 4 pEn. Bas'neas done this day. Pa 1i Pa Agua Fria . Anglo Californian Australasian Australian Austral ian 3ordillera Australian Freehold. Ave Maria . Baden (Gl_ Duchy of) British Austrlu. Gold British Ii on . Brazilianimp.(issued at £5 pm Do. Cocaes & Cuiada Do. St. John Del Rey Carson's Creek...... Cobre Copper Colonial Gold Copiapo Copper Alin. of Eng Do. Pref. 7L p. cent English niid Austin, Copper Smeltg,. Co, General.. Great Nugget Vein , Great Polgooth Lake Bathurst Liberty Lond. &Cali forn. Gob Quartz Crush. Co Mariquita ..... Mexican&S.Americn, New Granada Nouveau Mond° P:'n't Philip '47c.artz Rock . Ro Do Iron p - par 1 p 44 sti p P d par d far par p P 8 —lO 5 - 5. 41 - 51 30 - 31 - 46 -47 ii 1- - 2 8i - 9 70 - 80 8- 9 p li 1d 15 17 1 i 2 A ear— § d a P I - ' d- - par 8 8 - rep Par — P * P 24 26 7 8 6 7 d -9 11 43 5 par— ip d— g P par— p P Santiajo do Cuba South A .ustralian , Tin Crot United Voxican Waller West Gram West Yuba all all all all all MISCELLANEOUS 100 35 Australian 2.grieult. 81 83 82 20 8 Au,stralsn. Pe. , fie. Mail 10 6 .Australu. :Iloyal Mail 50 38i Brit. Amer lean Land 70 73 100 324 Canada .... 65 70 5 5 Crystal Pa, ace 2i 2# 71 4 2 Crystal Pal. of France 14 3i 20 1 Eastern Ste a'n — 1 1 Electric Tel eg. of Ir — 15 14 Gen. Steam Navigat —30 A 20 14 General &row Steam 20 2} Irish Beetroot Sugar 1 all Nat. Pat. Steam Fuel 10 2 Netherlands 20 74 Nrth.ofEuropeSteam 50 all Peninsular & Oriental . . 50 25 Do. 00 60 Royal Mail. Steam ••• ••• ••• 25 25 South Aumtral•Land 45 47 1 all Submar. Telegraph 5 2 Univeral :migration and Coloi dzation.... )0 28k Van Dieme lI'S Land 18} —19 k LLOYD'S SHIPPIAG-(TRIS DAY. LONDON, May 13.—Wind this day at Noon, S.E. ; light breeze mid dull hazy weather. DOVER, Mmy 13.—The Bageda, Folkstone for Pors ground, is leaky, having been aground. DARTMOUTH, May 12.—Wind, N.E. Havannah. Sailed—Ana, POOLE, May 12.—Wind, N.W. Sailed—Nymph, Prince Eugene, Alamode, and Albion, Newfoundland. LOWESTOF FE, May 12.—1 t is currently reported here that some accident has happened to the Lady Berriedale (s), of London, near Sunderland 1-azbour. SIINDERLAWD, May 12.—Wind, N.E. Sailed—War wick, Quebec-. SHIELDS, May 12..-- - Wind, E. Sailed—Regent, Sydney. QUEENSTOWN-, May 11.—Wind, S. Arrived—Edwin, Now York. Off Port—Columbus, Mauritius. OFF HOLYHEAD.--Mary Jane, or Sarah Jane, Val paraiso. DOUGLAS (Isle of Kan), May 12.—The Vigilant, Port Madoc to Aberdeen, has stern-post started, and other damage, having been on the rocks. CORK, May 11.—Wind, E. Sailed--Waterlily, Mazagan. LIMERICK, May 11.—Sailed—Quebee Pucka, Quebec. HELVAET, May 10.—The Richard Anderson, Baltimore to this port, was in car tact with the Thetis, from Messina, and did her considerable damage. YSTADT, May 2.—The Hof hung, of Ragen walde, Dantzic to Queenstown!, has put in with damage, and leaky, having been on shore.. MARKET .NEWS-(THIS DAY.) CORN EXCHANGE. During the present week, and fresh up to this morning's market, the s.rrivals of English wheat, coastwise and by land carriage, have been on a very moderate scale. The show of samples of both red and white here to-day, was consequently limited, and, we may add, out of condition; nevertheless, the demand for all kinds was in a very inac tive state, at Monday's decline in the quotations. Scarcely any business was transacted' for forward delivery. Upwards of 26,000 quarters of foreign wheat have ar rived this wectk, chiefly from the westward. All kinds met a dull inquiry at barely previous currencies. Floating cargoes, thong] s offered. on easier terms, were quite neg lected. We were very Scantily supplied with home-grown barley ; but the supply of foreign was extensive. All kinds were very dull, and the turn lower. Malt—the show of which was good—sold heavily, at late figures. The oat trad.) was drill, owing to the large imports, and prices were wit h difficulty supported. Beans, peas, a.nd flour were unaltered in value. ARRIVALS Tuts WEEK. Wheat. Barley. Malt. Oats. Flour. 2,090 640 3,140 2,310 1,640 7,780 26,430 7,350 20,690 7,700 ski Enzlish .. Irish .. • • Foreign .. SMITHFIELD. To-day's market was but moderately supplied with beasts as to number, whilst their general quality was in ferior. The few prime Scots on offer changed hands steadily, at, in most instances, an advance in the quotations of 2d per 81bs, and the value of other breeds was well sup ported. The supply of sheep was seasonably good, yet the mutton trade ruled than, at fully Monday's prices. The primest old Downs, in the wool, sold at 5s 4d—out of the wool, 4s 4d to 4s 8d per 81bs. Lambs, the number of which was not large, changed hands steadily, at full currencies ; 400 came to hand from the Isle of Wight. The veal trade was brisk, at a further rise in prices of 2d per 81bs. The primest calves were worth 5s per 81bs. Pigs sold slowly, on former terms. Mulch cows were firm, at from 15/ to 20/ each, including their small calf. Per Sibs to sink the offals. s. d. s. d. Inferior Beasts ...3 oto 3 2 second quality ...3 4 3 6 Prrusu large oxen" 3 8 3 10, Prime Scots, dm. 4 0 4 4 Inferior sheep ...4 0 4 2 Second quality ...4 4 4 8 Prime crse.-wlled.4 10 5 0 Lambs 0. d. s. Prime Southdown 5 2 5 4 Large crse. calves 310 4 G Prime small do 4 8 5 0 Large hogs 3 2 3 8 Smallporkers 310 4 4 Suckling calves 20 0 26 0 Quarter old pigs 19 0 24 0 5s Od to Os Od. Beasts Sheep Calves Pigs ... FOREIGN SUPPLY. Beasts 264 Sheep B6O Calves 2OO Pigs — 30 20 1 40 89 B'll3 191 g 90; 79 pm 8 164 TOTAL SUPPLY. 1,020 ind Lambs 8,300 304 340 NEWGATE AND LEADENHALL. Generally speaking, the trade ruled steady, at very full prices. 1 2i , 1 i s. d. s. d. Mutton, Inferior 3 6 3 8 Do.,middling 310 4 2 Do., prime 4 4 4 6 Veal 3 6 4 10 Pork, small 4 0 4 0 is 10d to Os 2d. 461 7; Per Sibs by the carcase. s. d. s. d. Beef, inferior 2 6 2 10 Do., middling 3 () 3 2 Do., prime largo 3 2 3 4 Do., do. small 3 6 3 S Pork, large 3 4 310 Lambs BOROUGH HOP. -- - We have only a limited inquiry for all kinds of hops, the supply of which is small, yet prices are mostly supported. Mid and East Kent pockets, 120 s. to 160 s. ; Weald of Kent, 1102. to 1265. ; and Susses, 105 s to 120 s per cwt. COLONIAL,. SUGAR.—The demand for British Plantation has im proved this week, and prices have become firmer. At auction crystalised Domerara realised 35s to 38s 6d for low to good greyish, and 34s to 34s 61 for mid to good brown. REFINED has been in good request, at advanced rates. Low to fine grocery lumps, 47s to 49s Gd. EAST INDlA.—MmUritlne has been in active request, and at very full rates. Publicly several thousand bags realised 378 to 38s 6d for fine yellow, 35s to 36s 6d for common to good, 30s to 34s Gd for brown, 28s to 29s for very ord, 33s to 38s for refining low to lino, and 408 to 41s for ord to mid white ditto. Bengal has been been in moderate request ; ord to fine white Benares at 36s to 395, fine and superior grainy yellow at 39 s t o 40 s, mid to good at 37s to 38s Gd. Madras has been sold at 29s Gd to 30s Gd for low to good soft yellow. FOREIGN has been firmly supported, with a good inquiry for exportation. Porto Rico, by auction, sold briskly at higher prices, viz., 40s lid to 41s 6d for fine, and 38s t o 39s 6(1 for mid and good low, and 36 s 6d to 37s 6d per cwt. COFFEE.—This article has been extremely dull, and buyers still hold back. Native Ceylon of th e new import has been at 46s 6d. Platitation has been sold at 558 to 61s for low mid and mid, at 52s for fine ord, and at 50s to 51 s for triage. Some peaberry went at 658 6d. Mocha ha s greenish and yellow is h h aving been a large parcel (!f s d o e l e d lin a ed t 6 3 5 8 5 t0 2s—mid 6dto7Os, triage at 44s to 55 5 , bl ac k s at 30s, Rio has h Pe as abe b ril een at so 6 l 7 d B , t° and 67g byfew b auction aags of Brazil6d.Privately went at 43s to 45s 6d for good ord pale. Jamaica was taken in at 56s for low mid. _ _ _ SPlCES.—Pimento has been rather dull ; coarse to mid has been sold at sid to 6d. Ginger isiwanted ; Jamaica went at 45s to 112 s for small and dark to good. White pepper has been firm ; Singapore, mid has been sold at 9,1 d. SALTPETRE.—BengaI has been taken in at 29s for 24 to per cent. refraction. COTTON.—There has been more business doing, and holders ask higher rates. RUM.—This article is steady. TEA.—Owing to the advicOs from China, an advance of id per lb. is quoted this week, but buyers have not come forward freely as yet. INDIGO.—Up to last evening 5,945 chests had passed, of which 1,361 sold. Good Rd fine Bengal was rather firmer; but Madras and Kurpah of - the same quality were cheaper, as well as the lower kinds of Bengal. TALLOW.—The market is quieter. P.Y.C. is 475. per cwt. on the spot. GREEN FRUlT.—Prices of all kinds are well supported, the backward state of our own vegetation causing an addi tional demand for foreign fruit. Some parcels of oranges from St. Michael and Lisbon having been sold by Keeling and Hunt at public sale went at an advance of 2s. to 3s. per box. Lemons are a shade lower, the cold weather being against the use of the articles by the confectioners. Nuts without alteration. Three cargoes of Barcelona have arrived, and been housed in bond, to await the reduction of duty. • IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS-(YESTERDAY.) The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the wool. sack at five o'clock. COASTING TRADE. The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH presented petitions from Hartlepool and Sunderland against the admission of foreigners into the coasting service. The noble earl called attention to certain returns, recently. laid before the house, which showed that while there was a diminu tion of 2,412 seamen in the coasting trade, there had been an increase of 17,817 in the foreign trade. (Hear, hear.) This was a very remarkable state ment, but he apprehended that the returns with regard to the foreign service were incorrect, and he supposed they included emigrants and passengers who had worked their passage out. He thought, under these circum stances, it was desirable that it should be ascertained how many who went out in vessels in the foreign trade returned again to this country. He trusted the Govern ment would make some inquiry into the subject. Lord STANLEY of ALDERLEY admitted there was a discrepancy between the returns, and no doubt the noble earl had given the correct interpretation of them. He should make the inquiry which the noble earl had suggested. DOCKYARD INQUIRY COMMITTEE. On the motion of Lord REDESDALE, the Earl of Derby was permitted to attend as a witness before the Dockyard Inquiry Committee before the House of Com mons. COUNTY COURTS. Lord ST. LEONARDS made some observations which did not reach the gallery, as to the jurisdiction of the county courts in bankruptcy, and in reference to the commission which was to be appointed on the subject. The LORD CHANCELLOR said his earnest atten tion should be given to the subject during the recess. Lord CAMPBELL expressed his satisfaction at that statement of the noble and learned lord. Lord BROUGHAM was glad to hear that the Go vernment intended to issue a commission, and he hoped the subject would be fully and satisfactorily considered. EXCHEQUER BILLS BILL. The Exchequer Bills Bill, after a few observations from Lerd ST. LEONARDS, was read a second time, and the standing orders having been suspended, it was read a third time and passed. COUNTY ELECTIONS POLLS (SCOTLAND) BILL. This bill was read a second time. CHIMNEY SWEEPERS' REGULATION BILL. On the motion for the second reading of this bill, The Earl of CLANCARTY - ':•asted the house would not be precipitate in passing the bill. He thought that some inquiry should be instituted to ascertain, before the bill became law, whether it would not give rise to some inconvenience and hardship. The Earl of WICKLOW also opposed the bill, which he thought, if passed, would only encumber the statute book. He moved that the bill be read a second time that day six months. The Earl of SHAFTESBURY said he had brought in the bill for the purpose of extending the pro visions of the act, which now only applied to the metropolis, to the country generally. He also proposed, in order to prevent the evasions to which that act now gave rise, to include under its pro visions young persons under 16 years of age, who assisted chimney sweepers, as well as apprentices. The present bill was so simple that he did not art'cipate any opposi tion would be offered to it, and he Fad not come forti fied with papers to show its absolute necessity, but he as sured their lordships that they could form no notion of the physical and moral evils which were now inflicted on a numerous and helpless class of the community in conse quence of the existing state of the law. Lord ST. LEONARDS supported the bill. The amendment was then withdrawn, and the bill was read a second time. BURDENS ON REAL PROPERTY. The Earl of MALMESBURY presented a petition from Christchurch, for the revision of the poor laws, complaining of undue burdens on real property, and praying for an alteration in the law of settlement. He did not think that any subject discussed of late years surpassed this in importance, especially at a period when all statesmen seemed occupied with the laudable endea vour to adjust our taxation, and make the pressure as equable as possible on all classes. The parish from which this petition proceeded was a large one, and the petitioners had in reality to pay another income tax on their real property, because they bad to pay a poundage on the rental they derived from their property. That income tax varied from 10 to 15 per cent. on the annual value of the property ; in some parishes it had been as much as 80 per cent. It should be remembered that real property paid five millions a year for the maintenance of the poor, and paid it in a most anomalous manner, some parishes being taxed 80 per cent., and others only one per cent. While a millionaire paid nothing on his funded property, a man with a small cabbage garden was compelled to pay from 10 to 80 per cent, on his patch of land. The subject had been discussed in both houses with great ability, and in 1850 a committee of their lordships' house had been appointed. He took an active part in that committee on behalf of real property ; another noble lord had defended as ably what he con sidered the rights of personal property; the noble baron opposite (Lord Overstone) might be considered to have been the representative of the auriferous interest. (A laugh.) He wished to ask the noble lord at the head of the Government whether it was his intention to bring forward any measure this sesion to reform the present poor-law, or the law affecting the removal of pauper:3f; and further, if the proposed succession duties on real property should become the law of the land, he intended to relieve real property from any portion of the burden of about five millions, which it now exclusively paid for the support of the poor ? The Earl of ABERDEEN was understood to say that it was not intended to transfer any burdens from per sonal to real property. In answer to the question of the noble lord, he h a d t o s t ate t h at the business before the other House of Parliament was such that it would not be possible to bring forward a measure of this exten sive and important description with any reasonable hope of carrying it this session. And if such a measure were introduced and laid on the table, without a reasonable hope of its being carried, it would be attended with very mischievous effects on the country, with respect to the duties to be imposed on successions, he would recom mend the noble earl first to understand the subject a little better, and in order to do so, to wait till he saw the resolutions. To say that poor-rate to the amount of five millions was paid by real property was a mere fiction of the noble lord's imagination ; perhaps one-fourth of that would be nearer the truth. (Hear, hear.) It was impossible for him to give any further answer to the noble earl's question. Lord OV.gRSTONE said that no subject could exceed this, either in importance or in delicacy. He could wish that the noble lord who presided over the committee of 1850 bad been present to defend its proceedings and to justify its report. He had taken some part in that corn. mittee, and had opposed some of the views of the noble earl. But the question was one of great delicacy, be cause it involved the most difficult of all questions—the adjustment and equilibrium of taxation. A desire had been expressed in some quarters to assess moveable pro perty, and to render it contributory to the poor rates ; but the evidence taken before that committee showed the great necessity of moving with circumspection, , for it was pre-eminently a question in which it might be said— Fools rush in Where angels fear to tread. (Hear, hear.) The more the ultimate consequences of such theories were traced out, the more mischievous would they be found to be. The Earl of DERBY said he could not help thinking that there was some confusion in the mind of the noble lord between real and landed property. If the noble lord meant to refer to the rates levied only upon land, he quite concurred in his statement ; but he was quite in error in saying that a very large portion of the rates did not fall upon real but upon personal property. Lord OVERSTONE did not say personal property. The Earl of DERBY—But the noble lord said that a large portion did not fall upon real property, and he (Lord Derby) did not know any distinction except be tween real and personal property ; so that if a large portion did not fall upon real property it must fall upon personal property. Lord OVERSTONE explained that what he had said was that a large portion of the poor rate fell upon what could hardly be called real property, by which he meant landed property, but upon houses and places of business. The Earl of DERBY said that the discussion had not arisen at all upon the distinction between landed and other property, but upon real and personal property. It arose out of the proposition which they understood had been submitted to Parliament, by which a new and a very heavy tax would be imposed upon successions to real property—property which was now exempt from the legacy duty, but upon which burdens of a dispro portionate amount had been laid for other purposes. After a few remarks from several noble lords, the subject then dropped. THE CLITHEROE ELECTION CASE. Lord BEAUMONT drew the attention of the house to die fact that the house had sent no answer to the appli cation of the other house to concur in a joint address her the state Majesty of t t h o i s a p b p o r o o i n u t g h a . c oAms ra to s t s o e u C t r o o w i unq, iui r r e ay i n i n t g o the case might arise over and over again, it was highly desirable that the house should adopt some definite course which might serve as a precedent. If no one else made the motion it was the business of the Government to see that some answer should be re turned to the House of Commons. The Earl of ABERDEEN said he was very glad the noble lord had brought this subject before the house, as he thought it was proper the house should come to a decision upon it. Some time ago a noble and learned lord asked him what was his intention with regard to this address, and he told him in answer that although he motion ifmoctiilooamnr addresses wtuhrietgwa v rad l s i had moved that their lordships should agree with other c lo h o t hadthishis iadu been ted r intention u t ; u t ob p u ftmr that o a m k e theao any yHe such o u u rs s e e it was competent for any other noble lord who thought proper to make such a motion. If he recollected aright his noble and learned friend gave some sort of intima tion of such an intention, but he supposed he must have been mistaken. At all events it was competent for him or any other noble lord to make the motion, and that not having been done, he concluded that it was not the wish or intention of any noble lord to take such and he, ther e f ore , f e lt it i ncum b ent on him a ste,p to pro pose a course for thei r l or d s hi ps t o a d opt with reference to this matter. As s umi ng , as h e did , t h at their lordships were disposed to agree i n no t a d opt i ng the address of the House of Commons, it was necessary to consider what was the proper and suitable course to take. The best course to take, he thought, would b e t o move that the address be taken into consideration that day six months. THE SUN, LONDON, FRIDAY EVENING, MAY 13, isst fore the division on the Derby Budget, he met the hon. member for Wells on the steps of the Reform Club, and that hon. gentleman asked him how he was going to vote. (A laugh.) His reply was that he had never given a Tory vote since he had been in Parlia ment, and he was not going to begin now—(a laugh)-- but, at the same time, he added that the Irish party would be very much influenced in the course they would take by the intentions of the new Government with re gard to the income tax, and the hon. gentleman referred him to the speech of the right honourable gentleman the member for Halifax, in which the right hon. gentleman stated that Ireland was in by far too exhausted a state to bear an income tax, and the im pression which this reference produced was that the Whig party were not favourable to the extension of the income tax to Ireland. Accordingly, when he went to the meeting of Irish members he stated as much, and also that he had it upon the authority of the right hon. gen tleman the member for Wells, that the right h on. gentleman the m em b er for Halifax was of the same opinion still. (Hear.) Mr. HAYTER could not charge his memory with what had passed, but no doubt what was now stated was perfectly correct in the main. It was hardly likely, however, that he could disclose what were the then opinions of the right hon. gentleman the member for Halifax, and in so far as that part of the statement was concerned he could not assent to it. (Hear.) Sir C. WOOD had made no statement to his hon. friend that he was aware of, but still he had no hesita tion in declaring that he had made the speech which had been referred to. (Hear.) Mr. MALINS was glad this explanation had been made, and he hoped it would be a warning to hon. mem bers in future not to make statements of alleged fasts affecting personal character unless they were thoroughly convinced of their accuracy. (Hear.) Now, he remembered distinctly that the hon. and gallant member for Westmeath stated, on Friday night, that before the division in December last, an accredited agent from the Whig and Peel parties waited upon the Irish members, and stated that it the Irish members would assist in turning out the Derby Government there would he no income tax imposed upon Ireland. It now turned out that this was not so, and the only authority upon which the agency was supposed to arise was a loose con versation in the lobby of the House of Commons or upon the steps of the Reform Club. (Hear, hear.) The hon. member for Westmeath should have been more cautious in the statement he had made. (Hear.) Mr. MAGAN supposed the hon. and learned gentle ' man meant to convey that he (Mr. Megan) had stated that which was not true. Now he did not say the party who made the statement to the Irish members was "the accredited agent," but was considered as an accre dited agent of the Whig and Peel party. He had a right to consider amember in any light he pleased---(a laugh)—and he certainly did look upon the gentleman who conveyed the statement to the Irish members as an accredited agent, as he now looked upon the honour able and learned member as an accredited agent of Lord Derby. (A laugh.) The whole speech of the hon. and learned gentleman was both malicious and untrue. (Order, order.) The SPEAKER said the hon. member must be aware that such language was out of order. (Hear, hear.) Mr. MAGAN had no objection to withdraw the words if they were unparliamentary. (Cheers.) Mr. BOWER was present at the Irish meeting, and he had certainly no recollection of the statement hav ing been made upon authority. Mr. LUCAS, on the other hand, who was, also pre sent at the meeting, declared that the gentleman who made the statement professed to make it upon the authority of a leading member of the Whig party. The gentleman who made the statement was the hon. member for Tralee, and what tended to confirm it was the speech of the right hon. gentleman the member for Halifax delivered a few days afterwards, in which the right honourable gentleman warned the Irish party to be on their guard, and not allow the thin end of the income tax wedge to be got into Ireland. (Hear, bear.) Mr. M. O'CONNELL denied that he had professed to make the statement on authority. (Hear, hear.) Mr. SCULLY was also under the impression that the statement was not made on authority, and to prove this he need only state that the meeting came to a resolution to support the Tories in office. (Hear, and a laugh.) Sir R. INGLIS hoped that the good sense and feel ing of the house, considering the mass of public business ' before it, would agree that sufficient space had been allowed to hon. gentlemen to set themselves right in the judgment of each other and of the house, and that they might at last be permitted to resume the business for which they were sent there. (Hear.) He would cau tiously abstain from any one word that could give of fence to either side, but respectfully su b m itt e d to them all that there had been enough--perhaps more than enough—(hear)—of these discussions. He had thought, when the Speaker called upon the Sergeant -at Arms to introduce the messenger from the other house, that it would have put an end to all unnecessary discussion. (Hear.) The subject then dropped. THE BUDGET—RESUMED DEBATE. The house then went into Committee of Ways and Means. The CHAIRMAN read the resolutions. On the second resolution, " And for and in respect of the occupation of such lands, tenements, or hereditaments (other than a dwelling-house occupied by a tenant distinct from a farm of lands), for every 20s. of the annual value thereof, one moiety of each of the said sums of 7d., 6d., and 5(1., for the above-named times respectively," Mr. VANSITTART moved, as an amendment, the omis sion of the word " moiety" and the insertion of the words "third part ;" and urged in support of it, that the late Sir Robert Peel had thought it necessary, when he introduced the income tax in 1841, to reduce the assessment of the farmers from three-quaff :,ers to one-half tho rental, and that the causes which induced him to do so existed to a greater degree now than ever before. No person could question the fact, that the profits upon land were much smaller than they formerly wore, and that they were certainly not greater in England than in Scotland and Ireland. To place the farmers of the United Kingdom on a footing of equality was a measure of justice which ought to be con ceded. In conclusion, the hon. gentleman stated, that in proposing this amendment he had no u:sh whatever to in terfere with the conducting of the public business by the Government. This was no party question, nor had he treated it as such, although it was his misfortune to sit on the Opposition side of the house. He hoped the grounds h e had assigned would induce the house to consider the proposition he had now made to be . just and fair. He thought it would be far better for the right hon. gentleman to allow his scheme of finance to have such qualifications applied to it as justice and equity demanded, than to resist all appeals and to determine on carrying it through as a stereotyped plan. (Cheers.) Tho CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER had listened with great satisfacti m, so far as the hon. gentleman was personally concerned, to the very intelligent statement he had made. (Hear, hear.) He did not like the whole of the honorrable gentleman's case, but he did not think any gentleman could have stated that case with more ability. (Hear, hear.) He assured the hon. gentleman he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) had not the slightest in tention of making any charge against him for not going on with b's amendment on a former night. But it was the duty of the Government to press forward measures affect ing the public interest, as it was the duty of hon. members to see what it was they had in justice to propose. He (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) was very glad to hear the hon. gentleman refer to the succession or legacy duty, be cause he hoped the committee would soon arrive at the dis cussion of that question. He world not expend the time of the committee by noticing the remarks which the hon. gentleman had made upon his (the Chancellor of the Ex chequer's) conduct in imposing various taxes upon the farmers, notwithstanding the comments he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) had made upon the taxes intended to be put upon them by the right hon. gentleman opposite (Mr. Disraeli) in December last. But the taxes which fell upon yeomen —men who cultivated their own land —were not peculiar to that class of persons ; they applied to all other owners of land. It should be borne in mind, however, that there was no house tax upon them (as was the case with the budget of December last), and that there was no income tax put upon them where their income was under 1001. a-year. It was true the yeoman world be subject to the succession tax, but in that case he would pay it in common with the entire community. However, let that pass. The subject would come for discussion in its turn. He entirely agreed with the hon. gentleman that this was no party question. There was no class whose claims he would more regret to disappoint than the farmers'. But, in the first place, the committee must recollect that, since the repeal of the corn laws, the income tax had been several times renewed. In 1848 it was renewed, prices having already become low, and with every prospect of their becoming lower. In 1851 the income tax was again renewed, with prices exceedingly low. But, notwithstanding the low state of prices at that period, the farmers not only accepted. but accepted with out inconvenience, the proposition of the right hon. gentle man tho member for Halifax (Sir C. Wood), who, by a clause to which he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) would presently refer, put the far mere on a more favourable foot ing than any other class. Indeed, no class stood upon so favourable a footing as the fanner. That, he thought, was a very strong reason against renewing such a proceeding of exceptional legislation in favour of tie farmer. As to the proposition that the English farmers should be placed on the same footing, for this purpose, with the Scotch and Irish farmers, the only restilt of this would be, that the Scotch and Irish farmers would immediately, and reasonably enough, demand that further concessions should be made in their favour, so as still to place them in the same relative position, with respect to the Engli s h f armers , th a t th e ir comparative disadvantages required. The hon. gentleman wished to make it an argument against the Government : 'neasure, that the reduction of rents in England had not been adequate t o th e di m i nu ti on o f th e farners' profits )ccasioued by recent legislation. Assuming this to be the rase, it was no argument against the Govern s liesnelotas to lettnbut :imply a lively and usefrl suggestion to, th I ..heir rents fall a little more quickly and effectually than I .hey had fallen—(a laugh)—at all events, however small the r 'eduction of rent s mi g ht h ave been in England, he begged t o remind the hon. gentleman that the reduction had been s till less in Scotland. But legislation upon the income tax, o r upon any other subject, ought not to be based upon any si rich grounds. The business of legislation herein was to p roceed upon the principle that farming was an occupation, a s other occupations, which must be left to find its level u nder the influence of competition between man and man. 'hey had no right to assume that the profits of the farmer vy ere diff c differentt now from what, they used to be. Th e y must, it i considering these points, investigate, not the p r i ces o f „mmodl les merely, but the quantities produced, the q uality, the cheapness of productio n , th e app li cation of tacbinery, the greater economy of the various processes of farming, the extension of d ra i nage, an d so on ' . (Hear, h( ler.) But the main thing to be kept in mind was, that th ey had already made provision for the case of the farmer. TI iey had not, indeed, said to him, " Go into schedule D, if you please," for they had considered that the inquisition I That was th e course they pursued with regard to all bills ' sent up from the other house, and which they were not disposed to pass, and the House of Commons had disco vered what their lordships had done by searching the records of their proceedings. That was considered the most corteous mode of proceeding towards the other house, because he believed in former times they did not move the postponement of the reading of a bill for six months, but they rejected it absolutely; and it was in consequence of its being considered a more courteous proceeding towards the other house that they had adopted the mode now usually followed. He moved that a message be sent to the House of Commons, ac quainting them that this house, having considered the report of the select committee of the House of Commons appointed to consider a petition complaining of an undue election for the borough of Clitheroe, and the minutes of evidence taken before it, do not think it expedient to concur in an address to her Majesty praying for an inquiry. The motion was agreed to. BOROUGH OF MALDON. Lord ST. LEONARD'S asked the Earl of Aberdeen what was the intention of Government with regard to the address for an inquiry respecting the borough of Malden. The Earl of ABERDEEN said he had read the evi dence in reg ard to all th e other cases in which he had moved for address, but he h a d not read the evidence in this case y e t, and he could not therefore at present an swer the question. Their lordships then adjourned at half-past seven o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS —(YESTERDAY.) The SPEAKER took the chair at four o'clock. The Lords' amendments to the Wakefield Stoke Mills Bill were considered and agreed to. The following bills were read a third time andpassed : —The Australian Agricultural Company, Dundee Water works, Great Northern Railway (No. 1), Londonderry, Enniskillen, and Sligo Railway, L oug h F oy l e an d L oug h Swilly Draina ge an d R ec l amation, and the Lough Foyle and Lough S w ill y R a il way. The High Ham an d A s h cott Roads, Midland Rail way (Leicester and Hitchin). and York Drainage and Sanitary Improvement and Foss Navigation Bills were read a third time. Mr. FREWEN presented a petition praying for the inspection of nunneries. Mr. 0. LANGTON presented a similar petition. Mr. T. D UNCOMBE presented a petition from Great Yarmouth, complaining of the French occupation of Rome. Mr. A. HASTIE presented a petition from Glasgow, in favour of Mr. Craufurd's Sheriffs' Court Bill. Sir R. INGLIS presented a number of petitions against the opening of the Crystal Palace on Sundays. Sir J. TROLLOPE presented a petition from Spald ing, in favour of the total repeal of the advertisement duty. Mr. O'CONNOR HENCHY presented petitions from Kildare and other places in favour of the ballot and tenant right. Sir G. GREY presented a petition from Neville Hall Medical College, Newcastle, praying for the enfran chisement of the London University; and a petition from the working men of Morpeth against the opening of the Crystal Palace on Sundays. Mr. HUME presented a petition from the Winchester Farmers' Club, in favour of the ballot ; also from the county of Norfolk, in favour of the County Rates Ex penditure Bill. Mr. M. GIBSON presented a petition from Essex to the same effect. Mr. MASTERMAN presented petitions from Ches ter and other places, in favour of the inspection of nun neries. Mr. STRUTT presented a petition from the Univer sity College, London, in favour of the enfranchisement of the London University. Several other petitions were presented by Hon. Mem bers to a similar effect. Mr. M. GIBSON presented a petition from the Literary Societies' Union of Lancashire and Cheshire, in favour of the total abolition of the advertisement duty and penny stamp. On the motion of Mr. WALPOLE, Lord SI Leonards' Lunacy Bills were read a first time, and the second reading fixed for the 19th of May. Mr. MILLIGAN presented a petition praying for the total repeal of the advertisement duty. Lord CHELSEA presented a petition from Dover in favour of national arbitration. Lord GODERICH presented a similar petition. Mr. C. BERKELEY presented a petition from the solicitors of Cheltenham against the reduction of the stamp duty on attorney's certificates. Mr. COBDEN presented petitions from places in Yorkshire, against the Government scheme of educa tion. Sir F. KELLY presented a petition from farmers and others in Suffolk, against the proposed licence duty on maltsters. Sir C. WOOD presented petitions from Paisley, Barns ley, and Moxenden, in favour of the legalising of mar riages with a deceased wife's sister. Sir J. GRAHAM presented a petition from 2,000 inhabitants of Carlisle, in favour of the opening of the Crystal Palace on Sundays. Lord D. STUART gave notice that he should, to-mor row, move for a return of the number of warrants signed by different Secretaries of State for the opening of letters at the Post-office from the year 1845 to this time. Lord H. VANE presented petitions from Durham and Barnard Castle praying for the legalising of mar riages with a deceased wife 's sister. Mr. H. BERKELEY presented a petition from the letterpress printers of Bristol praying for the total abo lition of the advertisement duty. Mr. C. BERKELEY asked whether there is to be any inquiry in this session of Parliament into the work ing of the Public Health Act, with a view to the amend ment of that act, or of the construction of the Board of Health ? Sir W. MOLESWORTH said, that at the termina tion of the existence of the present Board of Health the Government would be prepared to bring in a bill to renew the board, making such improvements as would be deemed necessary. It was not intended to institute any extraordinary inquiry. Mr. HUME said that unless there Were an inquiry great dissatisfaction would bo excited. LEGACY DUTY. In answer to Sir F. KELLY, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that when the succession tax shall be imposed, the regis tration of all deeds of settlement will not be compulsory by law. HACKNEY CARRIAGE BILL. In reply to a question, Mr. FITZROY said he was now engaged i n f ram ing a clause to be intr o d uce d into the Hackney Carriage Bill, for the purpose of preventing the nuisance occa sioned by advertising vans, but there was a difficulty in determining what was an aivertising van. Sir D. L. EVANS hoped the bill would contain a power of appeal against the decisions of police magis trates. Sir R. H. INGLIS said there were so many objec tions to this measure, that he trusted the Government would now see the necessity•of referring it to a select committee. Mr. FITZROY could see no such necessity. The bill was one of great public interest, and he hoped the house would not consent to any proposal which woulkl have the effect of delaying it. EXCISE DUTIES ON SPIRITS BILL. In reply to a question, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said it was proposed to take the final sense of the house upon this part of the budget in the committee on the bill. In that case he should propose to read the bill a second time to-night ; but if the principle of the bill was to b 4 contested on the second reading, he should, of course,. not take the second reading at a time when there could. be no discussion. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER AS SESSED TAXES. evhea to take th e opportunity of suggesting that the resolutions on assessed t axes s h ould be taken and r eported, , pro forma, at once , so that a bill might be brought in as speedily as possibl e , an d the exemptions agreed to. Mr. DISRAELI made no objection to this proposal, isl definingPov e A N P r no Ewm what ethatßlLL.camewawisheds in sseEee bill. i f :G . bsa b hin i l l Told l uwh f vfl o eda s r hte t a h nnk e teh p ue u p ix tr N h o e Mr. RICARDO said the late Government introduced a to they n newspaper,esawi d w they h en the Government measure was like to be brought in. CHANCELLOR state efg great n o t f theforwardness,EXCHEQUEßandrready said dy te b thebe laid upon the table, but it had been thought expedient to delay bringing in the bill until the decision of the house had been taken on the subject of the advertise. ment duty. Mr. RICARDO begged to remind the right hon. gentleman that a prosecution was now, pending against parties in th e C ourt of Exchequer upon the question arising out of the present unsettled state of the law. The AT TORNEY-GENERAL said it was quite true the prosecution was pending against a person named Collet, but the prosecution was taken at the defendant's own request, for the purpose of having the law defined by one of the superior courts. THE IRISH DISPUTE. On the question of going into committee of ways and means, Mr. MAGAN entered into an explanation of what he said on Friday night, relative to the intentions of the present Government as to extending the income tax to Ireland. He stated then that three honourable members represented to a meeting of Irish members that in the event of the Derby Government being turned out, and a Whig Administration succeeding them, there would be ne disposition on the part of the new Govern ment to extend the income tax to Ireland. He was mistaken in the members who made that statement. WI was only two, namely, the member for Tralee, and the member for Roscommon. (Hear, hear.) Mr. F. FRENCH wished to say a few words upon this subject. The house must not suppose that this meeting of Irish members was a secret affair—it was held open and above board—and at that meeting the ques tion of extending the income tax to Ireland was warmly discussed, and the discussion was ultimately adjourned. In meeting, eet m in e g a , nw he hil m e, b igh e t tw e e a e y n t t i h ie e a r d ig j h ou t rn h m en en . t ge a n nd the tlenmn n t e h x e t member for Wells had represented to him what had occurred. The right hon. gentleman then led him to understand that there would be no disposition to extend the income tax to Ireland, and upon the strength of that information he made the statement to the meeting of Irish members which was now imputed to him. (Hear.) Mr. M. O'CONNELL said he was bound to confirm the statement which bad just been made. Shortly be- ;`z ;*_,\ ' • f. Y ~,~.~: ~-r~l I into his affairs, in that case necessitated, would not. be make any general statement on the sub j ect , because, if so , re I agreeabl e t o h im, but they had given him the means of it might the committee sh ou ld h ear him averting an unf a i r assessment. He might he remark that be advisable that the hon. gentleman had made a serious error in his calcu- Wiens of th e p ro fit s of the farmer. The hon. member did ,' before th e y p rocee d e d to consider that amendment. The CHANCELLOR he EXCHEQUER said—l not regard the maintenance of the farmer's family, the lex- entirely concur n use suggests._ -f the right hon. gentle. lenses of his li v i ng, as any element in his calculationis— man. I a l so f ee l the great importance of the question, thear)—and, for that matter, the farme rs seem much ills posed to t a k e th e same view,, and to regard the expense' of and, considerin g that I have only had an opportunity of d • rt . g to it on one single occasion, and that necessarily their maintenance as part of the expense of their fa • g, ale ul- and as not entering into the question of profits, which as in conjunction with a great many other highly important a fallacy not to be admitted. Where, however, the as-- subjects, it is probable that I have not been able so success profits e s s p ed ° fi ar ta biT; earriellyestsotehnafnorcaemasosiesstysmoefuhtisasruepont,niat moiety;wasot fully as might have been desired to place the propositions for it world be competent in a farmer, who at the of the year found himself so situated, to , o before co a ra n *s- of the Government clearly and fairly before the commit tee. lam therefore obliged to the right hon. gentleman sioners—not Government commissioners but local corn •s- for . his suggestion—and, I may say, that I had proposed excess of assessment allowed him in his payment of h e sioners—and, if he could make out his case, to have y rising when you sir,. had. read the resolution, to state the did not keep accounts. There might, no dOubt be farm tax. Tho hon. gentleman objected to this that f views othe f Government with respect to it. (Hear.) In • the cone small farmers who did not keep accounts ; but , he i co n a. mittee to the limitation of the proposition as it stands the first place, I wish to call the attention of dently believed that the great bulk of those who would before us. There is an immense number—at least come within the operation of the measure did keep ic- there is a . considerable number of points of great ins. counts. Most assuredly this was the case he might olm4st say universally, with the farmers in the Leith a E el e 1 ' 11 portance anti veiy serious difficulty, which we shall and in Scotland. There was, however, one fa c e a l e % a ge hu es to examine when we come to the details of the monstrative that the profits of the farmer were not so smell question. (Hear, hear.) But most of these points lam as was stated, and this was that in the past year the whale anxious atpresent, in some degree, to keep out of view; amount of relief from assessment claimed by the tenant because, in the first place, it is hardly possible to consider farmers of England and Scotland, upon a total assessment of 330,0001., was 'between 5,000/. and 6,000/. only; the them until the committee shall have had under their eyes (Hearwhole amount of relief actually granted being 3,419/. the precise form in which the proposition of the Govern , hear.) This fact, he would repeat, demonstratively ment will be ultimately clothed ; and because, in tlie second proved that the farmers, as a body, had no case to shoe . lace, the general principles which are • volved in that pro that their profits, including, of course, the cost of the main- Position are of themselve s so exceedM ln gly importent that tenance of their fami, did 'not represent fully one-half they deserve the undivided and exclusive - attention of the of their rent. (Hear, hear.) • committee. (Hear, hear.) It is most desirable, then, that Sir F. KELLY maintained that by the admission of the We should, in the first instance, fix our undivid e d and closest Chancellor of the Exchequer, land was taxed more heavily attention on the principles which are involved in this 'ilea than other property, and he complained that, in addition, sure, and that our vote upon the measure in the first w e pressure upon the farmers was uncertain and unjust. stance should be strictly a vote on its principle, before we He ridiculed the arguments of the Government, who, he come to consider the multitude of serious but still minor and des p_o e se a of in going through the details of the proposi said, admitted every separate portion of their measure to anel eubordinate questions which we shall have to examine •be unjust, but maintained that it was quite equitable as a whole. He described the peculiar burdens which he con- t the n. colitae he ' ar. " That, towards raising the ) The proposition, as it stands before supply granted to "herfollMoawjessV, the stamp duties payable calved to press with undue severity upon the farmers, and law upon or for, or in respect of legacies, shall be granted sought for them, at any rate, some relief from the peculiar by injustice of the tax in question. Mr. BRIGHT described Sir Fitzroy as having beep and made payable upon and for every succession to the beneficial enjoyment of any real or personal estate, or to speaking on a "Suffolk brief," and told him that he was the receipt of any portion or additional portion of the badly advised as to his fact. With regard to the amend- income or profits thereof that may take place upon, or in meat, he urged the gross injustice of proposing to tax the consequence of, the death of any person, under whatever opulent farmer, who very often kept a carriage (with more title, whether existing or future, such sucession may be than one horse) and followed the hounds, only upon the derived." Now, the vote of the committee is asked upon same amount as the poor clerk or mechanic who earned two the present occasion for the affirmation of a general prince. pounds a-week,fend this at a time when agricultural produce pie that some tax or other—l don't propose to pledge you was selling at so high and remunerative a rate. The time to say whether an equal or an unequal. tax—shall be laid , for the cry of agricultural distress was gone by, and was no upon all successions to property that take place in cense longer available as political capital. The motion was that nee of death. That condition—the accruing death tax of a " very young member," and a more impudent one had i' n come never been brought into the house. quence of a succession that ensues upon is the pivot of the whole me asure . Th e i mportance of the Sir F. KELLY observ e d, th a t i f the hon. member would bearing of this proposal is to be considered with refer introduce a motion to exempt arti sans an d small trades- ence to two great classes of property which have hitherto men, to whom he alluded, to the extent of one-sixth, he been either exclusively or in the main exempt from all wotild most cordially support him. Mr. BANKES th ought the hon. memberrg upon death or upon su ccess i on ; f irst l y, real pro could not h ave perty, whether settled or unsettl e d ; and, secondly, settled attended to the speech of the hon. and learned member, or property, whether personal or real. The first question we to that of the hon. member who introduced the motion, for have to consider is, what are the reasons that have deter. his arguments had had nothing to say to the fact they ' had mined the Government, and that I hope will determine adduced. The hon. member for Berkshire mainly rested his the committee, to resort to this source for the replenish. demand for the English farmer on the point of justice, and meat of the revenues of the country ? The right hon. gen on the comparison of his case with that of the Scotch and tleman opposite (Mr. Disraeli) said a few nights ag . o, if I the Irish farmer, He knew many parts of his own county understood him correctly, that I had founded the eustifi in a state far below that which he believed to be the case in cation of this measure upon its character and effect, Scotland or Ireland. The hon. member said that farming which I described in addressing the house on a former was the best trade going. He (Mr. Banker) was not there occasion namely, that the laying of this tax upon at that moment to deny it—(hear, from the Government successions to property would countervail the operation of benches)—but they were putting a tax on the farmer for the income tax in so far as that operation is too severe in seven years to come. Who could say the present state of respect of intelligence and skill, and too lenient in respect prosperity would continue so long ? He fared the excep- of property as compared with Intelligence and skill. The tions from prosperity to which he alluded, would increase, right hon. gentleman observed that that being the pur and he felt it his duty, as representing a large agricultural pose of the tax, it was obvious that the tax so considered constituency, to support the proposition of the hon. mem- ought to terminate- or at least, in the view and mind of her for Berkshire. the Government, ought to be intended to terminate, in the Mr. WHALLEY• took that opportunity of entering iess year 1860. Now, I certainly could not with any great most solemn protest against the reimposition of the income tax. Though ho approved generally of the budget. The confidence submit this proposition to the committee, if the tax was intended to terminate in 1860, inasmuch as we income tax was not on the pockets but on the morality of should not have received full legacy duties under this pro the middle classes :it touched the very life-blood of their posal in respect of any one portion of real property in Eng principle and honour, and although the tax had existed land until 1858, and the tax would, therefore, have an ex according to law since the establishment of the poor law, tremely short duration. But, in point of fact, the right it had never been carried out in the various parishes in hon. gentleman was mistaken in the construction which he assessing property for the poor on account of its mis- put upon my statement. I stated that this suceession-tax chievous effects. As to the motion before the house, he equalised—if it be now uuequal—the burden that the in must say, the mere fact of giving the farmers a fixed come tax casts upon property as compared with intelligence amount, to be ascertained by a certain standard, was an and skill. I stated and admitted that intelligence and inestimable boon, and did much to place them in an ad- skill were too hardly pressed upon by the income tax as compared with property. I stated that this measere would vantageous position. his eectify those . inequalities ; ... and I . stated further, and be- Mr. AGLIONBY could not refrain from expressing lieve, _that tuts measure win rectify them to whatever de dissent from the sentiments uttered by the hon. member you may call it into existence, without raising any for Manchester, though he would go into the some lobby le gree aangerous questions, and without unsettling your financial with him. A more exaggerated and highly-coloured state system, or rendering it liable to repeated and incessant meat had never been heard in this house than had been disturbance ; but I am far from saying that the rectifica made by the hon. member with regard to the prosperity of tion of inequalities in the income-tax is the only reason the tenant farmers. He (Mr. Aglionby) had long lived in upon which the justification of this measure is to be based. the country, and knew something of the occupying tenants , It appears to me that there are many other reasons. In the in most parts of England, and he must say from what had been said by th e h on . mem b er that he should have thought first place, it i s pl a i n th at the measure is essential to this main condition o f th e fi nanc i al measures of the G overnment the hon. member h a d never k nown anything about an acre —that, as far as in us lies, we will place a future Perna ' of land in the possession of a tenant farmer. (Hear, hear.) meat in a condition, at a given period, to part with the If such statements, which only referred to particular parts income tax if it thinks fit. This is one of the objects we have of the country, were admitted sub silentio he feared much irritation would be caused among, and just ground for complaint would be given to, a class of persons who had suffered severely of late. During some years,. so far from the tenant farmers having a return for their capital, he believed they had not been paid for the labour of them selves and their families—that, on the contrary, there had been a direct and considerable loss, and that their rent had been paid out of the capital. (Hear, hear.) That was so iu the north, and in many parts of the south of England, and he asserted again, therefore, that, although there proposed to ourselves as essential to justify the proposal to continuethe income tax for seven years—(hear)- -that while we propose it for a term so considerable, we shall lay the ground and prepare a train of causes which will supply Parliament with the means of dispersing with it, if they shall think fit, at the expiration of that term. (Loud cheers.) That is another material reason for proposing the tax upon successions; and without that tax upon successions it would be impossible that we could hold eat to you any other expectation of the termination of the income tax than that series of vague andgeneral expectations which the coun - might be exceptional cases, the condition of th e tenant try has by this time, after so many repetitions of the experi farmers described by the hon. member for Manchester was not the general condition of that class. (Hear, hear.) meat, learned to appreciate at their true value. (Laughter and cheers.) A no th er purpose for which we propose this Mr. KENDALL a l so th ought he sheuhl not be doing his tax is to provide a fund by means of which, during that in duty to his constituents if he avowed th e statement of the terval of seven years, wo may carry into effect great and hon. member for Manchester to go forth uncontradicted. In that part of the country which he had the honour to extended measures for the remission of indirect taxation. (Cheers from the Ministerial side.) This is an important and represent the tenant farmers were at this I/lenient barely ekeing out a su b s i s t ence. (Hear, hear.) essential purpose—(hear)--but I d o not hesitate to say that, behind and independent of all these, there is a Mr. HUME said that no person, whether farmer or shop- purpose yet more and more permanent in its character— keeper, was entitled to begin business without capital, and namely, the removal of an anomaly which is unjust in its it was yielding to a bad principle also to say that a farmer nature, which is galling to the public feeling—(hear, hear) could not keep accounts. The farmers ought, one 'and all, —whic s h becomes more and snore galling from year to year, to be capablelof keeping accounts, and then the same law, and which we believe it to be for the interest of all classes applicable to the shopkeeper, ought to be applicable to to settle at once and permanently, being convinced that the them—they ought not to be charged traderse than their longer you postpone that settlement the more difficult it net income was shown to be, like other . HeThought will be to achieve, and the worse will be the terms upon as the tax was atepresent levied upon farmers it might fall which it will be effected. (Hear, and cheers.) With these short on some and might press heavily upon others ; but, views, and with the feeling that the present state of the as he could not agree with the hon. member who had law cannot be held good in point of justice, I say that we brought forward this question, that one-third would be by have a purpose in this proposal quite irrestive of all any means an adet z uate proportion for the tenant-farmers those collateral ends, important as they, too, arc, which we to pay, he should feel bound to oppose the motion. (Hear.) hope to secure by making the proposal at this moment. Mr. MALINS thought that the hon. member for Cocker- Now, Sir, the first question I wish to press upon the ear mouth, after his remarks that night, ought to have voted nest and dispassionate consideration of the committee is for protection, and he could account for his not doing so this —can we maintain the present law as it isl; In my only on the strength of party feelings. The hon. member opi , ion it is totally impossible (Cheers.) I don't mean for Montrose, again, who professed to be a friend of the that it is impossible to maintain it this-session or the next people, would excluslo every man from becoming rich who session. I mean that it is impossible to look upon it as a was not born with 10/. per aCre in his mouth. (Hear, portion of our fiscal system with any satisfaction, that the hear, and No, no.) He thought that landlords in ge- public sentiment of the country is decidedly adverse to its neral would prefer for a tenant a man with industty, skill, continuance in the present state, and that some day or and energy to a man who had capital without those quail- other—and that at no distant period—it will and must fications. (Hoar, hear.) The principle propounded by the inevitably be changed. (Hear, hear.) You cannot main hon. member for Montrose would, if acted on, be . subver- tain it ; and why ? Not because there is a clamour sive of everything on which the greatness of this 'country against it. (Colonel Sibthorp here made an observation. was founded. The hon. member for Montrose now ad- which was inaudible in the gallery.) lan sorry to scan mitted that the repeal of the corn law led to the confisca- dalise the gallant colonel. (Laughter.) I should have hoped lion of the small farmers, though when that argument was that when I said we ought to look into the rights of urged in the debates which took place on the repeal of that the question, and not merel to i)opular opinion, I should law, it was denied that any such consequence would fol- have had some slight remembersble degree of his approval. low. (Hear.) With regard to the question before the (Colonel Sibthorp, with great vehemence, " No, &,-, never." house, he would vote for the amendment of his hon. friend, Loud laughter.) Well, I greatly regret that even those on the ground of principle, though the relief which it principles to which I should have thought the hon. and would give the farmer was so small, that he did not think gallant membe r wou ld h ave given his assent should be so it would be worth his hon. f r i en d' s while to press it to a poisoned by coming from my lips—(a laugh)---but, inc division. (Hear, hear.) According to a calculation which spective of the approval of the hon. gentleman, which it he had made, the result of the amendment would be this— seems I cannot have, I must state the reasons why I think that the tenant who paid 2001. a year rent would be re- it is erfectly impossible t o d e f en d the continuance of the lieved from the income tax altogethe r . Th e tenant who present law. In the first place—and I state first the rea ppaid 300/. would pay on 100/. instead of 1501., and would son which I conceive to be the weakest--I do not think it save 1/. 9s. 4d. per annum. The tenant who paid 400/. a possible to defend the continuance of the present law, even year would save 1/. ISs. 2d., and the tenant who paid as respects real property. (Hear.) I think, when we look e 600/. a year would save 2/. 6s. He believed the farmers, back to the time of Mr. Pitt--when we reflect upon'th if asked on this subject, would say that they did not care proposal made by him nearly seventy years feelago, that n even con one farthing for such a small amount of relief. (Hear.) sides- all that has since passedfiweitemurestsentexemption Sir J. SHELLEY said the hon. gentleman seemed to put himself forward as a teacher of landlords, but after the t" nts and tendencies of this tiay. I speak opinions he had given with respect to capital, he (Sir J. of the sentim e nts Irne as a total exemption. I don't say that o i' 2 l c re pp g e s a e rd s bt re a al 4 )- e r a o t er a t .A li s s s e u eure position in the view of the exemptio n . . the condition of real pro there are not circumstances in Shelley) should be sorry to be in his class. The honour able gentleman had misunderstood what had fallen from amine the question in what precise manner we should deal his honourable friend the member for Montrose. What he Pert,' understood his hon. friend to mean was —what every land with it muter the measure we may be about to adopt, which ought to be considered when w© come toex• herd knew to be a fact—that the cause of the great distress the agricult ur i s t s generally had which existed amongst What I do say is, th a t a t o t a l exempt i on of real property been that they .took farms without any regar d to t h e from a tax upon succession, which tax i s ma d e a ppli ca bl e to personal . property, and that at a high and heavy rate, amount of capital which they possessed to work them pro is, in my view, neither an arrangement altogether justifinat fitably. (Hear, hear,) He thought that one of the great benefits of free trade was that the farm with reference to the permanency of our invidious institutions. It farmers could now work their farms with 71. or 8/. an acre instead of 10/. in con than ble, nor an arraneement which is safe, wise, .or expedient sequence of the fa”. in prices generally. (Hear, hear.) indeed a bad business • it is . valuable ;and therefore I should wish to get rid . the d which attaches to it, ass During the corn law farming was is an exemption which I think is far more of and just measure like a come, if we can, to something f a aa s r ettlement of those but at present no trade was more profitable. (Here, hear.) Farmers now looked a great deal more than they of the claims of real property, and to invidious and odious character .. used to do to the capital which was required to cultivate at a farm profitably; and there was a strong feeling growing claims. defend, how much snore exemption of settled personality? in favour of tenant right, which would tend to the be least—to defend the exemp difficultofrails Isrop i V ul y y is vi di e ffi w c , elt up claims. But if the exemp nefit both of the landlord and the farmer. (Hear, hear.) slim , ant i c h eers .) Now, on w t . of settled personalty from legacy ti-o la i at in the world can be said The principle of assessing the farmers on half the a ir t ren s t t on behalf of an exemele I am i not aware of any areument, or the had been agreed to when farming was not , so good from it duty ? (Hoar.) that can be brought in de as it was now, and he saw no reason for c epaling when farming was so profitable. (Hear, hear. ofanarga exe in m a p a t t' ion. With respect to the exemption Mr. B. STANHOPE denied that farmers were in for o f re al prope l re the tireced of such iy, it is a bond fide exemption. Settlements z•- ` l e are not made property impose of procuring of mal in °pe t ' • y but with respect to personal property we this exemption, because real is exempt whether Westminster. On an avoi age of five years,pre- prosperous condition described b y th e hon.or evenof member threeor less than they were settled or no , the operation osifisietheeescsaslreativhTayt,thraeaultrhe,:bulgeh hea r) — all , l to invent new itnhetrheehataablacelesn ane iemat okfnoplevrstohnaati tibnetoraessttutennreessenonftilnauwaylleyrs at and wo t r h k e tvio gdilafnce years, the profits of farm tig they had to W co ith ns r i e d g e aa r eltwtool points—first,thowaemreendmenNtvobfethbiesrhotteyfribeandd mense increase in the personal property Of the country, odes of escape from the legacy duty, d this anda n y next,r ight to w b m e t a b k e e r a n that a rbi oughttar y t assessment b e dn m .n i . s o b n e the d m an with such ent on half . may be called all but fraudulent--arrange found great difficulty in proving that t them as it were into another schedule. would be se:tethra°:Crneaa.:7o (Hear,) w that hat it was, difficulty in proving believedhe a . ssessm byffaprulteinrsg; made We kno nints NNVVhihlth are perf tl l of your at equal h n e d r f e o rent tntwas this seven reason,not greater just that one, and he legacy duty .h , a rrangenients are the country amongst the best farmers in . to which they can be referred, except that of e ad - ing - the counts even was a total 11 theree absence w'l s se o f 1 ahe , .. , ac y•aease ess, having no meaning there . an no justification in themselves, and no rational purpose ire. a_ scarcely 1 any practical benefit to have all his affairs ex. (Hear, hear.) The farmer' e s fi b t oa to stee b i bn ri . ght A of m as a s n pe w al bo was but of a consideration in a r my think that settle one engagements n ss o or su . ch an ace d so oun mi t u s u a te s Now, some persona v that there 'ants are Pade upon ata would enable them to e posed. Nine farmers those who apneale'd that ho knew It erso o u b t before r e ten the e k e a l :s t e mps, but I apprehend that is were the questions put to was red I no answer tll A one instance in which a farmer as sow many bees • aa. Iy belief is that the stamps upon many his garden, and how much honey he got from of these settlements aro of such small value that they are he kept in didnotask te em ? (Laughter.) lie the farmer on account of losses ehe simply contended it 'settlement stamp as it now stands,—it is at the rate, I was not fair to assess him as he was assessed at preunt, think, of Ss. per cent. For 58. per cent., then, you get a theand, seeking for bins no favour and no affection, lie en- document which ascertains the existence of your property treated the committee to place him in the same position as at your (lea th, and determine its course, thereby standing rest of the community. (Cheers.) . iit lieu of a will and of letters of administration. Ire Mr. VANSITTART replied. The committee th an di v i ded est this pri v il ege enough, independently of evading lee 'lega c y d u t y ? ( Hear, hear.) Is there not another Against it For the amend men t . ............... . obate luty called the probate duty ? Why, the pr i 'uty of itself, 'quite irrespective of legacy dut amounts _ . _ . . . 60 ......... 120 Majority ....................... The original resolution was . then agreed to LEGACY DITTIES.. The CHAIRMAN then proceeded to on the subj ec t of the legacy duties read the resoluti on rupted by , when h e was i nter- Mr. DISRAELI, who said th him (Mr. F res hfi e ld ) had giat an h on , mem o er behind ven notice of an an tendment upon that part of the resolution at which the eilairman had just arrived, and he (Mr. Disraeli) wished to know whether whether the Ohl*. 11 ••-• 60 from - 2to 3 i 5 taking extreme c - ale - 2, 4 pe y ; cent. hon. member sitting behind the Chancellor of the Exche quer here made an observation in a low tone.) Yes, in some cases the probate duty is beyond 3 per coot. Is it not, then, quite privilege and benefit enough that by paying 58 . per cent. upon a settlement a man should escape the pro bate duty of 2,3, or 4 per cent., without being able to escape a totally independent impost of 2 or 3 per cent. more ? (Hear, hear.) I think it is perfectly monstrous to maintain that, because of the stamp upon e se n t r tl o e b m ate ent d s : t n y o legacy duty should be paid by property which has been settled. It seems to me a very good bargain—indeed, I s hould say, if we were now dealing with too good a bargain—that nersons Annld all all 13.5 (ççld i~3':l3jq V ,r 6 ~3., . ~. ~,\_Z~~ be , tba citi; ( 1 Z '4l 4 11 ft)o ►J