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,• • - • ' • " ; •••• • " • . . - L • f\. - . = • 8 re 4. 14 4 VAO ln‘ : -S4‘ . T 18 . • I .."" i I r4k . )" . • ••• - • A„,„ A • . - ,zO/4, 11 , _ I • _ • Vhil , " . A.l . 71 iffifft _ • wirmßEß 2645.] •FRIDAY', M ARCH IBOr. • [PRICIL•SIX PENCEe IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. -PETITIONS FOR PRIVATE BILLS, Sir H. MILDMAY moved, that the period for receiving Private Petitions shonlei be exien,i ed to the loth . inst.—Ordered: HOUSE OF PEERS. utvasnky, MARCH 12. COMMiSSION. ' Tug P.OTAL Assirr was given by Commis sion to the Loan Bill, and the Exchequer Bills Bill. 1 • I:hc Lords Commissionert Were the Archbishop 'Of CiA TERBURY, the LAD CHANCELLOR ) and the E l ul of CHESTERYILD. Lords LYTTELION And ROLLE were sworn and took their scats. On the Motion fOr the third reading of the Tea Duty Bill, Sir C. BUNBUKY ) after stating that this Tax would fall heavy upon the Lower Orders of the People moved, that instead of attaohing upon Tea of 25.. 6d; per pound, it .should only attach upon Tea of 3s: per pound. The Amend_ item was opposed by Mr. PITT ; and after a-few words from Mr. H UBHO U SE in favoi.tr of it, it was negatived.—The Bill was then read a third time and passed. The Order of the -Day for the third reading of the Paper Duty Bill; being read, • Mr. S /DA .said, he believed it was the intention of the Right Hon. Gentleman that thhi, Ti9t shotild not f a t) u pon Newspapers, the Proprie-' tors of which werepreventox4by what he had-eon. • sidered , a, a final arrangement. upon that subjeti,* from inemising their price. ---A discount had been but though it would meet, the increased .duty, yet it ~ vould not meet the increase on-the price of Paper; he thought, therefore, that_instead of 4,- , t, ..the discount should be 7 .or S per cent. :Mr. PITT said, he „did not mean ,to lay'any additional duty upon Newspapers ;. but he by no means understood that Newspapers were entitled,' by what the Hon. Gentleman . Celled the ,final rangement, to intlemhity against • a - rise in the price of Paper. He had, however, no .objeaion to agree to postpone the Bill till Monday, to-give time for any information that could be given upon that- subject. The•third reading of the Bill was ptth aft' till Mond*y. _ _ . Several Private Bills Were brought up from the CorimiOtis by different Gentlemen, and respeaively read a first rime. ' The Duke of Po RTLANti, by command of His :MAJEsTY, presented certain Papers, from the .Commissioners of Public Accounts in Ireland. The Bills before the H9use were . then for_ -Warded in their respeclive,skazes, and some pri . Nate-business discussed, It 'which their Lord. *ships adjourned till tomorrow. HOUSE OF COMMONS. TIIIIRSDAY, MARCH 12. Tilt House 'went to the House of ,Peers, where the Rival Assent was giren, by Commission, to the 'Alan BA: and the •Exchequer Bills Bill. 11,135 r movviti for a variety of Accounts, preparatory to the Statemerit of the Supply, and W a ys an 4, Means for Ireland, which were order. ed to be laid before the douse. The,Order of the Day for the third reading of the norse Duty Bill was then NA. • AikS HERID AN proposed that some regula ti9 should be matte in favour of hackney coach horsrs.,; . Mr. PITT said, that subjed bad occurred ti hilly:: - Abe was going to propose to defer the Bill, order that some remedy might be suggested. The third reading of the Bill ryas postponed till.Mt__ The Posi-Otilee Bill was read a third time and pAssed. The Reports of the Mutiny Bill and the Kathie Mutiny Bill ''ere brought up and agreed. to. The American Flour till went through a Committe. Mr. Pt E ItREPOINT deferred his Motion' re. . speeling the- number of Members necessary to. tonstitute a House, till Wednesday next. piyl RCASS'iL called die attention of the Upose o .the which he had brought in for ex. empting certaio Persons from the Payment of the f e ors..s4te. He considered it as 4 Jilin of the reAtast impostaneP," and-one that situ be delayed, he,' therefore, Aland, " That the obuse ; should now resolve itself into a Committee ',von that ,Bill." nil said, he hope d the :Noble Lord fix ouhil not persist . in his Motion, because he would re.colleet, that ; Noble Lord had given notice of a Motion Ofihe highest importauce, and one too that was limited in point of time, for it Obvious that the Bill which the Noble Lord l ig 4 e xpressed his intention of moving for, thust vas , t hr o ugh both Houses of Parliament, and re. cave the Royal Assent, heftire the zsth ; of Viatelt, to answer the purpose for which. it was oret.lded. Another Motion' of considerable im portanee also stood for this day, viz. a Motion for continuing the Annual DUties in Ireland, which wool& also expire on' ihe 25th. of March., Xobody could be 'more anxious than he was to 'sive _his support to any measure which appeared' to ~iim calculated..to afford any 'relief to the Lower Classes of Saelety,.:but the Noble Lord must be aware,. that-his . Bill was not of so .press_' i ng a nature as the. Other measures to . which he, lad alluded. tortl WM. RusStt. consented to -pospone the COmmir,tee upon his Bill till yi..nrorrow, Mr. PITT then moved, ' 6 That the HouSe, should resolve itself into\ a. Committee to take into consideration certain Duties payable in Ireland." Mr. BAG WELL begged to call the attention ; of the Right Hon. Gentleman . to a,subjett which had been staled to him by sum Metohants in Ireland ; in England it had been found necessary suspend the Duties upon Hops, but- in /rebind t hqy were not suspended ; now as the saint rea son ,prevailed its Both- countries fOr..suspendinc , the.D.uties, he hoped the same 1 1. 1 easute would be 4dopted in Ireland. • • 11r. piTT said he could answer for .nobody's opinion but his own, but the suggestion of the ilOn. Gentleman appeared to him so reasonable that he did not thinkc there could be lati' any o c . , 'ion to it. _ The Motion Lot going into a Conunittee . agreed to, awl oe .seteral .Ads imposin and J continuing the rktties, and the Ad of IF MOO,. *ere referred ro ihee Committee. 'I be House then:it:solved. Itself into a Commit. tee, Me. rtakcacsx in the Chair. • Mt. Pirr role to mote a Resolution, the oa?Atof which was to continpe certain Duties much were .pianually grastted in Ireland.. ,As i 8 was the extent of his ,Motion, it would not netessary for him; unler4 (what ‘he did not ex,., 00) there should be auy difference ,of opiQion tolgoVY the time of the Committee, any farther than to move that the several Duties mentioned 4) the Sslid Ads be continued. . ; sir 7. PARAuti t.ai4 be was far from wish i)4.lo. throw., any obstacle .in the way , of •. public business, but be could not amid noticing that . bus wes the first time of introducing this mode, tOtint the Duties generally the lump.. The mode abed upon former occasions - was to vote the Duties separately arid iistina l ly, and then there was an opportunity of discussing them 011 Y, hut if they were to be voted in a mass, such 4 discussion would he impyadicable. It was of great importance that they should be voted klis ttnaly, because it would enable Merchants and others who were, - to pay ~ the Duties, to know exadly what thty'wereto pay, and this was, the, principle upon -which the Right Hon. Gentleman acted, when lie pryposed the-beriacial regulations which took place in . 1781, One consequence Of the Mt of Union was, that a' great proportion of the Duties were varied, - aria 'counteryailing puties . were enaetcd;nd the ivliolebuginess was, in point of fact, socomplicated; that everyefort‘Ought to lii4t ;44'4 to Make Thum aV simp!a and ifitr4ligiblvas possible ; instead - , .however, of.simplifying them, they were note proposed in a lump, a mode which he must,oppose. He supposed it was not intended that VeISOP. shou4 pay the same duties in both Coun_ tries, that certainly could not be a principle of the Union, the objea of which was stated-to be to make every thing. more easy. He would -not now trespasi upon the Committee, by stating"all the inconveniences which existed,, and which re (luired to be examined into, and settled. He would merely mention Stamps and Sail Cloth ; upon both of them some alterations or explana tions. were necessary, and it was with the hope that they would obtain alteration or explanation, that he wished them to come, on separately. Great, care and attention were necessary upon these subjeas,` because he was sure it must be the wish of Parliament, to satisfy the People of that Country that their interests were not neglected. Now, if these Duties were passed in this general n'Mijnet, without examination, they would, pee. - haps, •think - that their interests were not attend a-to. He repeated, that it was far from Ms wish, from any accident a l k no wl e d g e lie might possess upon these subjeas, to impede:any of the measures, because though, perhaps, he might Pave wished to see things otherwise than what they now were, yet, in the .present state of af . fairs, it was his objed to. give. every support to. such .measures as would ,Make the event which had- taken place, as ,beneficial as possible. Mr. PITT said, ,he was extremely happy to hear the Right Flon. baronet express sentiments which did him the highe4 honour. The Right Honourable - Baronet had expreskd an . opinion which must-be felt in common with him by every Gentleman in that House, viz. that the abilities and that experience which the Right Hon.,Ba ronet possessed, ought and Would be applied to the - same purposes whether in or out of office, viz. to the service of-his Country ; and if eltbse duties were candidly and religiously performed by all, he bilieved.tlwre would be very little diftrence of opinion. He certainly could • not pretend ,to possess equal knowledge - of,the.details of the.sub. jeet, now before the House with the Right Hon. Baronet; but it - really 'did not appear that there -was any ground for,opposing the. present Motion.- The Rightlion. Baronet had objecied to the Peo. pie of ,Irehind 'being upon to pay Taxes with which they were not acquainted ;,,but,• in point o f •filet, this . Motion was only to con tinue certain. Taxes which the People of - Ire:. land were now paying ; and Which had been im posed by the Parliament of Ireland. He certain ly concurred with the Right Hon. Baronet with respell to the-advantages drat would result from hairiag a \ ShOule:of the •Duties, becaUse he had felt the good eff'e of that Measure in this Coup , try but he was sure the Right Hon. Baronet had not- now a Schedule in his pocket, which he could propose. - In the' course ol the Session, however, one might. be prepared, and _adopted without in convenience ot delay to the Public Service. It had beep suggested. that this Resolution went to make these Duties perpetual, but that was not qUite correel,- for it was only proposed to vote them for a limited time, and the Mt of Union, did not tend to snake them more p er p e t ua l t h an they; were. before, because, though' in point of faa they. were voted annually, yet the Public Paith was pledged to them, for some of 'them Were to pay the „Interest of ;he Public Debt.— The Right Hon., Baronet could -not have made such good Loans as he had done, if the faith of the 'Country had not been considered as pledged to the continuanco of these-duties, 'or• at least to substiuite. others in their room of equal valUe, a nd, therefore, the Right Hon. Baronet could nor mean to represent this as an attempt to render those Duties ,permanent. which were before temporary. As to:what the Right - Hon. Baronet had saidabourSail-tloth, if ins memory did not fail him, that very article was done away - brthe. Mt of Union ; lie ,thirefore, bOped, the Right Hon. Baronet would feel, that there wasno dation for his opposition to the present measure. Ihe - House, he was sure ) congratulated itself in. finding, that it wits in possession of Personspos, ses'sed of such complete knowledge 'Of the Aftirs of Ireland - it would . feel that, whether the num ; ber a Members from that C ountry were greater or smaller, • they Were enough ample-in- . ' formation to the House upon every subjed rcla r , rive is Ireland. The- House would find (to use a common 'expression), themselves - as much at home,. in aging, upon their opinions upon affairs, relative to i lreland, as ahay.would in acting for this Coun try from ,their own observations: svr 3. PARNEL, in eXplapation, said, 'flirt the Rt. Hon. Gentleman's argument was - founded upon the supposition, that allthese Duties were Nil proptiated to the discharge of the Inteiest . of the ' Public- Debt,. and consequently, .that the Public •Faith s_tiaoti Pledged- to their continuance ; where_ its, in point - of fact, only a part of these Duti6 were 'appropriated to 'pay the interest of the Debt. As to the Schedule, he ihoughr, after so •lOng a periodhad elapsed, it - ought 'to have been prepared ; he did 'not mean to impute any blame 'to those in the - higher' Departments, but most cer.-; tainly . they :ought to have been prepared by the • subordinate Officers, :whose 'business it - peculiarly wai. • . - After A few . words freim Mr. 'gn F R MAN, and - a reply from Mr:l 3 lft; the R e solution was agreed to, and the Report, ordered to be received to.morrow. , • A Message froth the lords- stated,. that their Lordships had agreed to 'Sir • Sirtr: Sm a :if I S' Annuiv .si,ll, and several other Bilis: MARTIAL LAW Lord CASTLEREA GH• moved, « Thar the Ark of -the 3gth of Geo. 111. entitled an Aefibi the suppression of Rebellion in Ireiand, and the ASR of the ,Loth of His Majesty, for continuinli the same, should he. read." . • , Mr. SHERIDAN rose to o_ppiiii",the 'Motion; and-instead of it, to move to adjourn. 11e,,sbettld do this with the view of giving the , • Noble LOid • an opporthnity of doing, that which ii had b;:t . cire entreated him to do, - viz,. Not to . persiit:,ar this 'moment in bringing fo r w ar d ,thi s mcisc and delicate question, because-lie was firmly eon - - vinced that there - was no occasion for that degree of haste which die- NOble Lord' seemed.' to use upon the present occasion. , . hoped In . • rising upon this subjea, h e s h o idd not he thOtiOt • to interfere offiCiously upon a.question ilk* which so.many Gentlemen possessed so mucli =more tn_ formation than he could pretend to, :but he could not help observing, that, in 'his Opinion, - no:. thing could. be more unconstitutional :than .- fOr . the 'House to proceed :upon this subje& 'with out • any communication from the '.Crown, or without any previeus examination hiving been instituted by that 'House. What %Vai to be ap prehendedirom the short delay which he meant to propose? He need not remind the House; le. cause every Gentleinan mast haVe'neticed v i vith . ;as much joy as le did, that. they had, that day re ; ceived the authentic informgiOn of His Ntajes_ tr's most auspicious recovery because had heard His Majesty's.Commiss,ion read for 'giving his consent to Mt* AftS of Parliament. -Ftoin `that happy event,haviog taken place, ttnire could ;, be but a short time before a. Message couldbe de_ slivered from His J , E s ry, ;• and. they bad every reason to hope -that only a short May . would take • place He wished .neit only to' obierv,eupon The time and manner of this.que - stion.*iieii& lorouOtt 'forward, but upon the, person by whom. it wash', proposed. The'person by whom it was proposed was undoulnadly •a-• most ,able aua respeetablt , ' Member of Parliament--but - ‘the HOUSel'Only knew him in that charmer--they did not itnoW him as a Confidential Adviser - of 'the Crown;--as a responsible _Minister. appia rett,". therefore, - only like any okher MeMber Of Parliament, tnaks: ing a Mation . without :toy respOnsibilitN:.. Ai - to the Right Onn...Gentlethan opposite.to him (Mr.. Pm), he would nor be supposed to Say* cliapthe : House ought to consider him', in the. present aims ta nees as .a Confidential Adviser of the croWn.. • It ever there was a,.mitasurc for wlifth that,House ought to have thg,recomniendertion . of the *Crown through the .medium of reXponsible Ministers; ft was irra ino:isure.which Went 'to' take away for, a time the whole,Constitution Ottrehind, and ea.,: ting the ptiwer ,of exerciiirig IVlartial Law. Into the hands of the. Crown.: He ;wished to know if any.Gentieman could state to him a precedent, of such a ine6Sure ha-,-iog..oriiinited in the •Irish, Parliament. without a ptenous: conimitnication from the Crown I He, knew very well that the Noble Lord had stated, 'ti ittitsrhen the. cvntinnal, .or rather wive& in thu Irish Parlia.., moat,. there was not a, previous communication from the Crown ; but t in the - first instance, when the Billwzs, het:l:lo4,Th, ir preceded by ;a Message froiktke Lotl.l representing His Majesty. in 'that -CDMltry. He knew ier fedly well that . in.eases,of kreat eme;:gency, die Exectftive Powerhtd a right,to proclaim Law ; but thit that must lis done upota the advice 01 Ministers, Who were responsible for the ad.. ice they gave. The Noble 'Lord in ttipportiris his Motion would ,probably make out a .strong case ; this wa,s whet he wished to ‘be' avoided, more especially if the NOble Lord - meant to state any new .gtounds_Or necessity- for the measure.-- Hew:idled such •kind of statements at. Prel;ent to be aveided, as they could oot tie produtlive of any benecial effiets. He had heard with tare deepest. concern, that notwithstanding iheltapD efKts which were to be prOilyeed by the Union, thrfaikiarys and animosities still pie vailed in Ire-- land to sua an unfortunate extent, that One C. 143 of People - at least had more cliat4 of obtaining justice, from, the decisions of a COurt Martial thvi from ajork t .Tile,l44o,ls_ters of the Crown might be in possession otlnThrtivition of Which the House was ignorant—they might know of . de_ signs of Invasion, of plans of Rebellion—,-Lut if they had any such intelligence, why not commu nicate it generally to the House in a Message, and, then, though, for one, he was ' n o t f on d o f reposing much co:liidence in Kinisteis, he should • tel himself .bound g,ive a certain degree of confidence. But .in . doing'so;,lic shoulil have tif sktisfaaion of knowingthat if he gave confidence to the Ministers, he •shoUld'.in return haie their responspility. In- the present state of affairs,• however, without communication or inquiry; . he. should .contend. that the House were not justified in taking . it upon tliemselVes to assent to:so imporwt a lll4*Ce. it a ptoposal was made for going into a Committee to consider of the State ~of .Ireland, the answer . would lie, that there were . Many eir.:mistances respeaiiig. Ireland, A,hi c h . ough t not at,pres.ent, to be reveal : , el. As to the appointment of 3 Private. Coin,- mittee, even that. wits liable to.ig're;.?..t ohjeAjons;, so that, if this Measure reallywro,neceuary,"th4 HoUse must di` upon ,as -he beoe, he tyished, it tp.b g e :eiiftidenee conrelie4 With2responsibilicy... The 04.i . wie„cOuld..not .hut, recoiled the p(dmisis henri), the "Union traliquiliii . w : Ireland", that: it w'r:Otild'pur fellion was at an end, and that the. WI1 4 a:11 . occasionett • - • hl heat d Irons the "Filree.-e',. - 414 they v4.0,re."0_pw,....e.4-I,leil r 4,on tri,. con; ens. to a. 1-314, "A: 132.1 i th - 41ilpre5SiOn still licand, ;106, for the: protection, of the Lives Proper :: tied'aHis 14 sf r's . 1 .ny , : find ‘‘ 'that( whereas.a Conspiricy e•Xlstri fnr :the ; deStrtgliAt t otHis . lVfajesiy's Noble . Lard say; ttlact, ‘ Circuinirances- %yew. tEe, swine now as tlie \ e were stated.- to be in the .Ind prealtible to that:-`3lll ? C i e : minty he. Would: nuts--I t thelast year this . ..elhad:beett. revived; by aßili which did not reeqptiulatc thelireamble.' The;Noble 1..0rd would not say, ihat the Country, wasin The situation described in the title and preamble; when the Bill of revi% al was broilla In, because the Irish Padiament was at that congratulating the 'Lord Lieutenant upon the• - prosperous state of 'the Cou n t rn at was after the-- question of Unibp had been Rist,--It,had bevy staica, that this Bill 'would a ire , otl tite , ,2sth ; of Match, bat that leas the case with a , gre? t many other Pills ‘‘hoso-rbrdipyance was . more impryrtance,' hna- more ,necessary thitn ‘ , - tlitt i present. 'Bin What would be The I . ievance that; would result from a . short delay cii! ;liiis,sqbjeEk k g ' a week or ten days ?----:Ii. appeared tikat in. tie. ~ . - .high Parliament laSt year 'there wa's'llo t ,.364 ;111, 4 pretension' froin MO t ial .. La w ' bqing, .al, cp.n tip for a short tirriejor the Bill was suffered to expire, .ml 4 he'eotild Alt N uOctsp-t hal : it , w . ,e.5..,42E5 At) m.. ~ r 10 ,n.,,..,:iad 'a.y.4os.eitperieticz fit.tiii,..o • xi ig, Tirritited the mi tuts - 4 lhe'Peopka,..Trej: 7 - 4,4, ' ' they - eciiilif not trust them for a. few : . '-` `,Martial 'LA w ? ily• a . 'short . delay , . ~iletl y re; : , would 'not be gin up, becauie the 'i ) 43l - 4 oLy , 0,, .:, land wouldknow that it wa' s onl,r ; 4140;f9t ~. a - short tin*frony'ti* pey..oliar.c4N . nwia,t4:es. or . the. mioincint ; and 'the Nlt.inconvoiaic.e w.citl4,li• - • that for - a few days ril` d .Martial : 'ivy. . Under' . these.; girwinstanixk, . ,r*. ; ~ ;should more :. .c-That•the ktot4 40Q4.w.'aifioui.n;,. 41 '''' . 'Lord CA4;77,110,1(.41-1,--,‘;i4..iirit:..ifie 'course whi ch'tlie' 1:lon. (.4n:t I e itl#Lo has. :ad(sl)f i ed:, * - II thi,nk.niTself now called upon rov‘ack!.my resi, ;sotts'lo thellon S e fol.' .proposteg ibis . medstrfl: 1 . 'feel it, Ir,"a..inc)it painful pat:t,o(my d'uiy,, y. ' iie - undo.' •t 4, nec.psiity of pitiNsing a 14w — tli:a 'must trench upon the constituzioti- of :TrO:wd. . ..E'erymanncusi! feel a peculiar,-degree of reluc • : ' tancein introducing a - measute.that,is •unexamp f led • in the History of either Counriy, a . rd * .flie oiity • observation I have to snake opon;that sUbjeft is s that it was reservedfor - modern times, and far the principle Orjacobinism, to vernier it necessary . fot the Legislature of, the. ;Country to recilgt\ii.o '. and establish a•syStern' not known ti.o,our Con'sii union, except when-Rebvllion was op - enly in the field', NO man cm lament the exlatencg of that ' .:necessity more than . I dti—but, as it h a s nnfortit.: nicely arisen, we must not forget our duty to 'the '. .constitution. i - Also, sir, . feel a pccidiar cliffs, ~culty in being called upon to make this Motion in an assembly compoed, isi great part, of per ilous who have no 1941 6-owledge iVliich can