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Af TRIALLIP PAfl L IAIII EN7: HOUSE OF * COMMONS. THURSDAY, MAY 14. The Bill for better regulating the trade in Raw Hides arid Skins, was brought bp, read a first rime, and ordered -to be read a second time on Tuesday next.- -, , sir: W. ELFORD n moved the Order of the Day ... _„ o the Bill forpreventilig 'of Forgery of Bank Notes, and Bills of Exchange, &c. : which was, that the Bill:be - 6°w read a second film. . .... . - Mr.TENT opposed the principle of the Bill, on 4 the grOund of its going to multiply the penalties of the 'Law, already too numerous, and also increasing ,• ' the evils of Country Bank!.., already enormous. He moved, that instead of the Word "-now,". be substi ty'ed " this Day three Months." 11 , 1r . 70NES'econded this Motion, and followed the grounds of Mr. DENT on 'the evils of Country Bankers Paper getting so much into .circulation, which he attributed to the stoppage of payment - of the Bank of Englaml in specie ; , this he said was _caused by the SubsidieS which this, Country had en_ . tered into during the,present War. Sir' W. ELFORD answered the objen.ions of the ttvo. Honourable Members, in a, Speech of consider ,- able legth.. Sir R. BUXTON opposed -the Bill, from a con; vidion that . its e+ its would be pernicious. He knew no reason why his own Note of hand should I not be considered - as entitled to the same security by .way of proteftion frou Fo \ rgery, as the Notes of Country ,Banker.' \This was a measure adopted upon the rnsitlel of the -Bill‘to prevent POrgery of the „ Notre of the Bank of Ireland, for it prohibited the use of paper 'with, certain water marks id it ; that was A - replafion for the security of the Bank which was a National objet, but this wus not so, and fherefoie he oprsed it. • • • Mr. EI.LISON was a decided friend to the Bill, as a incasorc to prevent the ektension of the crime u. Foigery. ME, Roa,!7oN opposed the . Mr. MAR.TIN, of Galway, 'supported the Bill. Mrs .O,ORRY was also a' friend 'to it from a con viaion.of its , necessity ; but with regard to a measure of 'the tactic kind, of which he had given notice, and which related to Ireland, he thought it required much more time for refleetion than he had hitherto b , !en , able' to bestow upon it before he brought it forward. He wished it, however, to be understood that such a measure neither was nor Would be aban.: doned,hy him, although he had no•great' hope of being able to accomplish it this Session of -Par liament. Mr. BCIRPO.N . approved of the principle of the and saw no harm 'in its contents, except that the title and clauses did not so well correspond as might have been wished. • This conversation terminated by the • The SPEAKER observing, that as this Pill contained Provisions which did not agree with the leave•whieh the House gave to bring it in, it must be either' negatived 'or withdrawn, for hat pro ceeding further on- suck a measure was irregular.- 1 - 'he Bill therefore was withdrawn, and, on Mo_ tion„ leave was given to 'bring' in a proper Bill, InSteau thereof. 14IESSAGE FROM THE KING. Lord 11.1111 1 KESBURY brOught_ up a - Message . frOin His MAI ETY, impOrting, .That His MA J ESTY taking, into•bis most serious cobsideration, the imminent danger with which the kingdom of Portugal, the ancient and natural Ally 'of the Crown of Great Britain, is threatened by the Power now at War with His Ml, EST,Y ; as well as the Commercial Relation now subsisting between thetwo_Kingdorris, and relying . on the well known zeal.Of the. Commons, recommends it to them to consider of means pf affording such assistance' to the Crown of Portugal, its - may enalire Her Most Faiih• ful Majesty.to take such measures againstther Ene. mies , as the exigency of affairs may appear to re, quire." :This Message being read, Loin* HA WKES"BUPY, said, that he should on Mot)day. next,' in ;he usual form, nadve, That this Qraciotts- CoMmunica , tion froin the Throne, shottid be referred to a COillrilittQC of Supply." He rr ant to propose a Resolution in that. Commit tee, that a sum not exceeding 500,000,1. be granted to lits MA EST Y. ' , by 'way of advance, to be applied in such manner'as circumstances may, in Hrs MA ; rkiry's wisdom seem to rerctire. He, therefore, moved, that this. grqcious Message be referred to a Committee of Supply.—Ordered. ' SALT The CHANCELLOR o ir • the EXCHEQUER said, that in pursuance of the Notice which he gave yesterday, he rose to ITIQVC for a COipinittee to . in, quire into the Law, as it regarded the Duty on Salt, and the incon - veninces arising therefrom, and that they .do 'report. the same, with their opinion thereupon,' to the House. He said it was nbt neees.: sary for him to say . any 'thing on the nature of the Ar ticle to which this Motion referred; the importancp of it was felt in our Agriculture, in our Manu fatures, and in almost : all the Necessaries of' Life, and ) perhapi, at. the present moment, * .nothing was pore desirable than that of effeaing- a re - - dndion in the ,'.rice of this ,Article. The Duty on_ it was. high,.and there were not many -arti cles on which the Duty bore a higher Proportion to the Original Value of the Article itself, and perhaps, there were not many Articles in which there was so large a disproportion between .the produce to the Revenue and the burthen do the Public, as this Ar tick 'of Salt. ',lt must be the wish of the House that as large and 'as free. an 'use as.possible . should he made of thii Arricic, /arid as low ,in expence , ;as could_ prattically I)f...devised ; in this the conveniericies - of trade„wotildhe much consulted.. li‘leed he knew there were some who thotght , that the Duty -on .this' Article ought to he done away altogether. The whole of that matter, however, would'be for future consideration. Some, Gentlemen were of 'opinion that a commutation of this Tax ought to be adopt ed, and that it 'ought to haVe been a:lopted :tong ago. That matter also would be - for future con. sideration ; and all that he should observe at ire. sent was this : if in the wisdom .of Parliament it should gem fit that a commutation of this Duty should take place; no argument could- be made use of on the renewal of the Duty, bythe Motiotthe was now about to make, because it Was for a Committee to. inquire into the subjeel., Nor was the case now the same as it had been on that Article. The great objet of the commutation formerly, was to prevent smuggling. The present objea was to reduce the price of the Article.' The House would per ceive 'that his idea was, that true policy in this case, was to keep the price of the Article as. low as possible. The subjett ; was one which had long occupied this attention, and he had the pleasure of concurring in sentiment upon it with , a respedable- body, of Gewlemen - woo desired him to bring forward the measure in that House many Members of that House had intimated that wish to him, and among them a Noble Lord of whom it was impossible for him,to say too much. in praise. [Here Mr. ADDINGTON mentioned the name of Lord Sli AFT I E . I.D.] He then moved, " That A Committee be appointed to inquire into the Law relating to the Duty on Salt, and into the means. of remedying the inconveniencies arising therefrom, and to report the same with their opinion thereon to the House." He add;:d, however, , that this was only a preparatory step, in a stlbjea to which much investigation belonged, and that he had no hopes of concluding the matter , this. Session of Parliament. He hoped, however, that the labours of the Com mittee upon it might be printed, and perused during the Recess. The Question being . put, General G ASCOYNE expressed great satisfac tion at seeing this subjel thus taken up. It %vas Much wanted. The part of the Country from which he came, were suffering much, and some trades had ,heen almost annihilated by the Duty on , this Article. In , a word, Salt was a Necessary of Life, so exten sive in use, and so essential, that he would no more make it a subjca of Taxation than Flour, Mr. JONES was glad the Right Hon, Gentle-- man had given earnest of his intentidn to do away, so odious a Tax as this, and which was laid on by the Right Hon: Gentleman's Predecessor in Office. He mil)° , hoped that this was an earnest fOr the Right Hon. Gentlentan pursuing a different' line from that of his Predecessor. Mr. VANDELEUR asked, if this measure was to be applied to Iretanci ? Mr. ADDINGTON said, that the words of the Motion were general, and might include all parts . of His Majesty's Dominions, if that should be deemed advisable;: Mr. LEE said, that this would be very benefi. cial measure to Ireland, one half of the Fisheries of which were host, because the persons who caught the Fish were obliged to throw one half of it away on account of their" not being' able to buy Salt to cure the Fish. He knew that a Drawback was al lowed on Salt used for the curing of Fish, and for certain Manufataares, but the large Manufafturer only could really avail himself of that Drawback, the poor man - could never buy a sufficient quantity at a time to come within the benefit of chat Draw back. Mr. IVILBERFQRCE expressed great satisfac tion at the measure now proposed by his Right Hon. Friend. It was almost inconceivable how much the Agriculture, the Manufattures„ .and almost all the As tides which were emphatically to be called the Necessaries of Life' might he affeEed by this ) and afFefted in. a way most advantageous ;to the Mass of the, Public,.. He liaa never thought it a good ; but with regard to the policy of a Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. 'Purr) in taxing it, his •ob jeft chiefly tegulatiu9 of Duties aaually in being.. .701VES insisted, that the former Minister (Mr. PITT) ? .had .doubled the Duty on thiS Arti cle ; and. ht (Mr. JONES) said, at -that time that, he should - after.v.ards move for the Repeal of; that Odi, ous gabci:e. Iord,H4I.IVICESRURY observed, that with re gard to what had been said on the policy of his Right Honourable Friend - the late CHANC E LLOR of the Eiccti 119,U ER,: be must Observe, that he had not been treated fairly tonight on the subjea . of the Duty on Salt ; it was true that the 'Puty was in cre'aed, 1;11(1 an Hon. Baronet .(Sir W..PpLs.ENEY),- had o' bjqn.c.,l to the increase, and stated the advan-.. .tages that .ini . ghtarise by taking off the Duty alto: gether. -His Right Hon. Friend said,.at. that time, that although he did not see the applicability of the reasoning of the Right Hon. Baronet, to the then condition of things, yet he,said, that at a future pe riod it might:become. so, and he himself should be glad to see the Tax ortsome future day commuted; but at that particular moment it might without ma 'terial inconvenience, be made an Article by which a considerable aid would be given to the Revenue. He did not treat it as a permanent tax, bat on the contrary considered it as a tax to which, at, some future day, he should be glad to see a commutation applied. CORRY expressed great satisfaaion at the effl2a this 'measure, (which had been to Ids know ledge long in the contemplation cif - its Right Hon. 'Mover,) would have on the Fisheries mid other trade of Ireland. It would be hailed in that Coun try as a blessing. /lb. N/CHOLLT said, he heard the Motion of the Right. Hon. Gentleman with' great pleasure ; the advgntages to be derived by all'. lasses of peol*, by a' redudion of the Duty on Salt, were indescrib able, but he wished not to stop here, for a number of die most essential articles of life were taxed so high that the lnwer classes were almost crushed, and tome of them should be taken off and others substi tuted ; Coal, for instancwas well as many-other articles was in this situation. The Right Hon. Gentleman by attending to these points- would de- Serve well of his Country and of Mankind. • Mr, ALEXANDER said that this was a mea. sure which was auspicious to the beginning of the labouh of the United Parliament, and one of the ef feAs of,the Union, for it would have been very dit: ficult to make it gcneral'in theway it now may be, if each' Country had a distina Parliainent. There were some. ves . sels, as he understood, seized on an allegatio that they were cmrloyed in smuggling Salt into this Country. He hoped care would be taken to promulgate the thetisure now about to be adopted by the House, and especially in Ireland, for there it would be4larticularly hailed as a blessing. At the same time IleNias sorry that a measure like this,should inodace any acrimony when there was no difference of opinion upon . it--h should _ be re garded as a-boon,_ not made ,a subjea of contention. Mr. BAGWELL said, he didno't know another measure which could be so beneficial to Ireland as this, Mr. TV. SMITH could have almost whhedy he raid, that his Hon. Friend had not alluded to any body who' had proposed a Tax upon Salt, because the business of to-day was a business of agreement and mutual . satisfaaion, 'Tot of discontent or strife ; but as he had done it,. and'as' it had been answered that the objca of the . late CHAN:: ILLOR. of the EXCHEQUER was to regulate the Duty on Salt, it 'must not be forgotten, that that Right Hon. Gen. tleman did lay on Salt a dotible , ,Duty,tif Ten Shil lings were double the amount of Five. Howevr, he was very happy, that the measure now proposed, was brought forward.—The Motion was then'.put and citried, and the Committee nominated imme. diately, and powers were given to them in the usual manner. Mr. JONES adverted to the number of persons now under sentence of Death, which had a6nimu la ted for a considerable time, because the Recorder had had no opportunity of making Reports. His Majesty's happy convalescence now removed chat barrier which occasioned the delay ; he, therefore, wished the CHANC E L LOR of the,ExcHEQU ER to in. form him when there would he a Council held for the purpose of receiving the Report. He hoped he should have credit for his motive in asking this question. If improper, he should not persist in it. Mr. 4DDINGTON said, it was impossible for him to hold anjr conference in the House on that subjtd. The SPEAKER said,' he had not the least idea of doubting the purity of the Hon. Gentleman's in tention, but this Was a question which could net be put. ' Mr. ADDINGTON then moved, " That the Report of the Committee on the Bill to' remove Doubts . respeding the Eligibility of Persons in Holy Orders sitting in the House of Commoni, be now received." He said it was a wish expressed by himself last night, and by. others, that this should be printed. There were two or three slight verbal Amendments to be made in the Report, which 'rendered it necessary to re-commit the Bill. Hg proposed to commit it to-day, and to receive the eport immediately, -and to order that the Report should be taken into further consideration to-Mor:. row, and he hoped the House would alloW the Bill to be read a third time. on Monday next; The Report was accordingly received, re-commit_ ted, Report received, oidered, to be. taken into fur.. ther consideration to-morrow, and that .the Bill with the Amendments be printed. Mr. CORRY brought up the Bill for granting to: His MAJESTY a certain sum of money for suppOrt ing the. , Foundling Hospital and the Workhouse in the City of Dublin; it was read a first time, and ordered to Vc read a second time to-morrow. ' The Report of the , Com m ittee of Ways and Means respeEting the Irish Stamp Duties was brought up, the Resolutions were' agreed to, and a Bill was ordered -tobe'bronght in thereon. • The Bill for vvarehousitg ,and bonding Portugal Wines was read a first time, and_ ordered to be read . a second time to-morrow. The Irish Members' exemption Dill was read a second time, and- was. ordered - to be committed to morrow. • The Bill for transferring the manageinent "of the Hair powder and Armorial Bearing Taxes from• the Stamp Office to the Tax - Office, wa§ read a second' time, and was ordered to be committed to.morrow. Mr. VANstrrART moved for a variety of public Accounts, which were agreed to. - Adjourned at half past six o'clock till to-morrow. RT. Tar COMMITTEE who tv ere appointed to enouire into the State "of the prevent existing Laws be tween M . ASTSRS and SERVANTS, and also to enquire, whether any, and *hat, further. Pro visions and Amendments may be necessary thereto • and to report the same, with their opinion,thereupon, to the House ; Have enquired accordingly ; and have come to the following gesolutions : Resolved, That it is the opinion of this ComMittee, that the present existing Laws, as tat as they are applimble to trie po . wergiyen to Magistrates to settle. disputes between Mas ters and Servants, are defeelive, because they have, by- con strualon, been confined to Servants in linst;antitty only. KOsolved, That it is the opinion of this Committee, tbnt it wOtild be beneficial to the Cornintinity, to epply mans' of the Provisiout and Regulations contained us those Aas, to all Menial and Domestic Servants. • Resolved, That iris,the - opinion of this . Comsetttee, that, as doubts have arisen whether Magistrates have, by Law,• any lawyer to hear and determine disputes between KfaioteTS and Artificers; Labourers, or other Persons, in _cases Witte such. Artificers, Labourers, and other Persons are . employed .in Task-work only, or by the Great, it would be expedient to give. such power to Magistrates. Resolved, That it is the opinion of this Committee, that • no such power should be given to Magistrates, to hear and de termine any 'disputes, commas, or agreements, where the in dispute shall exceed a stint to be limited. The Committee appointed to consider that Article • of the'Union which enas that no greater num ber of Menibers than twenty, holding Places un der the Crown in Ireland, shall be capable of being. Members of the Imperial Parliament, have made their Report. They state it as their opinion, in the form of Resolutions, that the following Per_ sons shall be incapable-of being ele6ed a :Member, or of sitting in the Imperial Parliament, viz. No person who shall be a COmrniuloner of Customs, Ex cis; or Stamps, or who shall be couumed, directly or Wi rt:city, in the farming; colicaing, or managing . any of the sum ft s of ' , nosey, duties, or other aids heretofore vatted, or which shall hereafter be granted by any Act of earhament; xo His :tiajeity, his heirs or succe s sors. (except the Coin taizsioners ofthe Treisury and their Secretary) : • 'Nor airy person who shall he a Cominiisiorier Alt deterrnih ,appals concerning the said Duties of ,Custoals, Excise, and St arhps;or for cootrouling or auditing the account of the said Duues, (except the Auditor Central of the Exehequer`. Nor any person s'ho shall be a Comtn:ssioner of Irnprest Aocounts : Nor any Agent for any Regiment : Nor any'Pcrson vtho shall, directly or indireetly, himself, orby any Person whatsoever in trust for him, or for his u*, or benefit, orbn his account, undertake, execute, hold, or en joy, or continue to execute, hold, or enjoy, in the whole or in part, any contrael, agreement, or commission made or en tered into underor tram the Commissioners of His Majesty":. Treasury in . Ireland, or with any one or more of sucn Com missioners, or with:any other Person or Persons wtettsoever, for or on account of the Public Service in I relled ; or who Matt kenottinfr,ly- and wiltingirfnnush or errovede-, •in punb suance of any such aereenrnt, contract, or rain rn: ssion, w nich he or they shall have made orenterett into eeresaid, any money to be remitted abroad, or any wares or merchandise to be used of cfnploved in the Seettet . ofthe Public., durihg thit time that he clialt execute, hold DT enjoy, any such contrael, apiernent, ,qr commission, or any part or share thereof, et • any berfefit 'or emolument Arising froth the saute (except Per. Sons who shall be. Metnbers of ace Incdrperated fradint Company now existing or establisid in Irelind, and con sisting of mare than ten Persons, so far as raites to anv con traa, agreement, or commission, which new it, or shall or may hereafter be ml . de, entered into, or accepted by such Company in its corporate capacity, for the general beneth of such IncorporatiOn'or Company; : 116 - i, any DeputiCt or Cierittein any of the seve - ral Offices following; (that is . to say) the Office of Lord High Treasurer, or the Commissioners of the Treasury (except the Secretary of the Treasury): or of the Auditor of the Receipt of His Majesty's Exchequer; qr of the Telleft of the Exchequer; or of the Chancellor of the Eechequer (except the SecretAry• of the Chancellor of the Exchequer); or of the Cornittis.: sioners of the Stamps ; or of the Comrhissioners of Appeals : Nor any person who shall have, in his own name, or in the name of any person ot peesohs in trust for him or his benefit, • any nffice or place of profit, from or by the nomination or appointment, or by any other appointment, subject to t h e approbation of the Lord Lieutenant, Lord Deputy, Lard. Justices; or.other Chief Governor or Governors of that part of the Itnitecl. Kingdom called Ireland, created or erected at any time after the passing of an ACI of the Parliament of Ireland, in the thirty-third year of the Reign of his present Majesty, intituled, " An Adt for securing the Freedom and Independence of the House, of Commons, by .excluding theretrom persons holding env . Offices. under the Crown to be hereafter created, or holding certain 0 f!iees therein enumerated, or Pensiqns for terms or years, Ur curing His % Majesty's pleasure." Tll E SHUN. QUIS FAL,SL::.I AI;LLAT D 0 V, MAY 15, zSoi. • IT is with- the deepeit sorrow we have to an: nounce the. Death of Si r RALPH ABLIICROMBY. Lieutenant CoR B E TT arr i ve d y ester d ay even i ng, at Portsmouth, in the Flor a F r i gate , w i t h Di s _ patches from Egypt, which rlace he l e f t on t h e Sth of Arril, and is the bearer, we understand, of this melancholy news. • , , The DiSpitales of General flirrentNtoN, w h o succeedecrto ate Chiel Command in Egypt, in conse.. quence Of-the - much regretted death of 'General Sir R. A/I E it-E ROM-B- 3 / 5 are 'dated on • the sth of April, from before A/e:va - hdria. The Battle- of the 2 I '-' t was very Woody, and most gallantly. folight: hI r:NOU made the Attack with !r,odo mein, the . whole of his European Force, and was is die end completely- defeated, with die 14)5 of UPWATAS of 3000 killed and woutided. Our loss, we under.: _stand, to have been about 1400. The Briti§h Army had been joined by Soon Turks frortt.khodes, subseventi to theßattle of the 21st, and the CAPITA? P4I(A. • was daily expefied with another considerable reinforcement. • Sir RALPH ABERCROMBY died of his wounds received in the Battle Of the zist, on the with - of 'March. 'General HuTcatris'oN writes in very high EpiritF, and considered his prospc(q of reducing ALeaneir;a asyery fair., No movement of consequence had been made on either side from the. mist of March to the sth of April, the date . of the GeneraPiDis pa tch. Lieutenant Coltn.Ept firings with him- a, proof of our success, in the Standard of BOICANARVE, to which the Chief Consul, while in tgypt, had given the title of: Irmincale, and which had fallen into our hands after theldestrualon of the .vhole Rcgi rntnt.that defended • and which was called Bona. patie's Grenadiert. ~ Alexandria was not in our possession when the Flora came away. Tx r London Gazette of Tuesday furnishes a strong proof. of the diligence and suc cess with whici Admiral DUCKIVVRTH and General Ta rcc C have executed the Orders ofGoverbment- The loss of.the Five Islands taken in the Atttille., will add to the • many reason's which Den Mark and Sweden havefor--regretting that they. ever entered-into. the-- Northerts Conspiracy formed against us by the Emperor PA' urrandthe Chief Consul ; and the de sire of recovering them- will akEi as an additional stimulus in determining them to accord to us the r ' e just satisfatiion-whielf we require. These two Powers of •the. Baltic- will Beside be taught by these events, the: necessity of keeping good terms with us, and this circumstance will henceforth be of great advantage •t-o'us, both commercially and poll. tically. Ih at other view, too, is the speedy r e d iK , Lion of these Islands glorious and advantageous : it shewS our Enemies and the whole world, that at the moment when we were - sending an qctracrdi nary Armament into . the Baltic, and when we had to contend with almost all the Maritime Powers la., existence, we were in a condition to divert a part of. Our Force, and to send it to mirke conquests-i i ; a remote quarter of the Globc.—Such an instance o f our power must inspire our Friends with increal:c d tonfideoce, and our Enemies with additional feaf—.. I t ,•1 .~ I • •~ • 1 • • 1 l I 1 .1 of ' fc to C tli of lan fel »-_ _ . _ -a