The Sun. — London, England, 1814-06-07 00:00:00

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Vriend had.so itearly .at heart. t . . , ,_('),: .it t • •-• . he discus,' ~.• 'thy filillier anticipate upon t • and _ _ hi _ ,Iji- 1 • „, ~,,bleat c' ~ i • ei must ensue opoh th i- '''. i ~ b e on the itsf',4,lvil by moving that the Irl/4•titY ' ' Li Timr,_ ~ 4 4e , and be taken into considecation 0 swrinii4ht. I I 1_1" rd had no i ,Lrd NIIL-roN said,' the NO3-e„ -nod f or hav i,4,,s°4 to 6.11 fadit with his 1 - .1011• .er ' . , . sill). sion of to 13 ..j:-6 flticipiitc(l toe future disci" Noble L or d itily• ' `' l ' hir he had not drawn Iron) th e - e. . • test cons thin', which it inns of the sligh • l I'lie i i'leti:. e ~'',,,, • . x , ~ . s....aer , 0 inal;,,-.... kil()w:1_ °,.l.,.tot(ozinricee:itla.te - t he ••,. hle Lord i 1 ;44,,,,ie.... lat. not wilt htt , -• o '. r. to remove• his 'd• . ot ins Lion. _Pariewl, , • tomi„g the ; ,ti nts 01 t 0 't 1'1. 4 ',l 's "le -I.L'il)rr°r of Itils9l. bolitioll of the tidN,,' 'i'4 Wttt fiv„crable to the a f h e ,„ b a d ll'iust:t"..l.:" i"."( 11l iluestiuit' :• D 'k y t l a n tid tile King t'll- • raii,.: ; ' 4 the neither o- t armies, Y V'"1"1"e3 't1cl":1;"se iLlitybe powerful ihn done las i: , tly y 1, ;4(1 ilu ~,:,:::11111',.;Nce. what had ..tenowers ‘ iViiii . 1:. - ' l ose were the -e . w!,, 411,1 Portugal t.' I. ~,„ ~ g te 'heq e • L ' u'''tilt to such abolition 1 led the Noble . herd .e WOOL! beoftlie ;'oidf, r u""N"euee• . fie, hoped ,a the Ar t icle h Il k ! ,i tH,ve.riglit in his laeo, •• i ' the cute; but li e 0 :?I'q'ould b e at advantage i n i . likely that a li e It Ohl ilot to ltiiti seet.l.e up a trade tit te ' t ..,, wr ntld he ve r y ready to g iv e ii .ges (coin it, 'tv4„ t`,"er Itinl derived some' adv,4l,lwitett there Vo 1 -:e l .e o vet v averse to, site it "L Tii:),tiltillglo I;eg o t by it. • cousilie;arteio,yi :t:ll,tril3:l, sii.ei(lnt:ll,:iegd.btt.9 be taken into Y ; Th, C u• ,C.Oki.N LAWS... perrza sa id , _ that ill coo,. Aiscp.l.l.oll if the .6x.Cli Petitions which -114,1 ii.'ler•ation (.1 the number o f , ~iibt•the pro ie,i'''‘ii.Prettiited to the Hunse al''l' he should 1)v. t '"(` ' i.4t t ' tillor the ,(''''`ll Laws, onsidera• ion tt . 4 •••(' ret.er titose Petition to the Cll,—with the iii•lect Cue , , ,-.-.1 l tear, bear -. . s could t,,,t( . nuitt t L . l .i: ~... com„nt WC, 11 14ke ti 'L l a,hi i i ,, i , e, tuat, i i t he „.! •Qine t1ie.4,14. e t' Report in nue tid---0• s it in t i le legislative tot,r, e 'Wight be . founded • "I' ° ', , __, d ~1 . 0 ii, -e f tti. ... - I . and he sqou , .1 ,s e th,„ , s. paesc .lNcs,,ith , . _ committee, to e ,.„,. 1 4 lit lii tli(lLlet/()11 .tileto,, I by the 44th Qf kii•l''''' i:,) , ,,.- idi , th e prices fi xe d ~,,Jirtatioo of la te ~° rg e Lit• for regulating' Inc •llntile „rowers t) f t.:(; r :' ('l'll', were a protectic . in to t : : vile r. provi tio,,, t v i ''' tilts country ; ahil it not, in order to l ecu re ti e :01 their judgnwnt necessary, , ti,, i . 0,, t oe increst'olagricultilre. the Pe- Aire ".'"tio i being put tor re ferring Air \ t v ii ' 4 L Oilifti' ate:, I ad th e 1 • 'iti•rit-0b.,•,,•%--ed, that he ) _ ot tile , sol,l"().liusiti,, .... • the ti,i;st.ai4itil"nil „Lti voted for r. tulle, e t, th r„.:simote on , . 4 .:_.; ~f It to a ; ~ r lll' i htte t ; iiiiti ' t. 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'.(l De 5 " . fer,liTl'4,SLSitlit 11141 ~itV •:toleaec 7u'i'u., ivi.e.- htr il,'Y'l:le ilun.e, or •, l.i.``lvß oc a ., ,„ the 4„,,,,:1 `="osk-afie'lice o. ati. 1) " .-1.6cveL : t d ' e ,. peoie`nt to •'`t l) "Bete' they inig,.t .think e %. 1 ,• 'P t• e had preselated a r•t roen by 1; 11'. ";:i.ils: ~, ,),.,,,,, ,„,j altratiot .., 0,, . ..,... ad • actoil , i2! ' /,'eti'..i .- 9n, that . 4:, :', ' :'-' ''' i'i i.I.Ji.). of whorn h., ',. _ xilii,itiug k '.' i 1 '' ineitb.re :it, midi astzati o f t.. t I i'd them" 1 ',..!1,011.t(i tvaillilt,' il ALI c.dru.ii-e. ‘,..ration._,_ 1\ ,: :' i t:l. the most exetapla"...y ihr 4ll- , ~...h ti , c 411,, . ,L(i) d be ro,,re daloitadch I .”' the Pe( Lillt"'"' 11,t',. Otto tl !I lti b,ce . II used tolexClC no - PhioLitt: cg" ` it OA pr,•,p-,,4.ed uluds‘tr• '" the , e l li Il ° iii,,,:7 `` 11 ., it ' il,! 11,.. A ti the lionoitt• to re l' i ! ) . t e , s , . o4ie opiniti-"," 1 tx.r.,utioji had been use°, ails ! illehigh tuidth";-A1"-`•:kl• 'file rich and .th('PQL?r'b ily-111- re rto ww , the well-informed and the m ,41.'de4ttr,"41,142'.irreil in ti.inki.,g that .a t leas t ss.uil.. the • W1i..:1-1-, s"c3iiltt b e . postcOm'd t° anutl.er .e, s i es.. ;t aut t is ('wti 'vote nit lit be in that, ,other that Ilie',teetikild not ~.. i -- • out tins hewoitu . , say, n arty)l4:l now te say (withoat .injuliugs"..,lye to thit t ") give satisiactioa or dissatislactioltonuits Ittakit,)';/lllRtge, and that he had no liciLittio all,r.A.‘,,l's election. . , ttattees•EsTettis• said, that in the be'g'etMiti: fet e 'country he thought the motion l f present eirci ( i , - , t'' 1 '"tt.Gentit-- wan Was proper, and ought. ;- tiltel °Pl ek •••• • ' , • • 1, ( alit! it i 1 i llie puolic nut 1 i t to the topj e at 1-s ' ti i . and the House owe(' means t il t:4ll H li ,:,• leli ti.nie, to take every possible , .. ii' . 'ittti 4:111-4 l'ears and siiew then, that the . . l -4z •::bliel-a-tlaNrl..,i.t viie'w‘ * the general interest: ot the. l ' i ls rl ; e t a i llt „ : ' l ' 6 'l to i a ! b u a g u r d e ( e ; his owll °Pliu°-.; lig to the Con . itn i) ,itte i e le , etitutt4tbs"eil it was must tor the interests ,, of t he ~n - '• 0 ., , . 7 to throw ,Otl i:s dependance upon koleit,.. Pose ' 5 .4 1 1/ ` 1 the. most eifeetnal measure for that . ptir Ile siii:,ettl(l always have his decided . suppo r t t. t T e 111.41111 er l i he eu "iii 'hot hel l , complang 0 1 Avli o , - ''' whiell this subject "as treatt.tl by those stibenii.ereti with him ill opinion. The 11.10 re th`" I lth l i , et ".'ls gone into mid discussed the better ; titttiv't \ btile, if it were fairly and dispassion lt 'et(iiiitletetl, t wound he found, toe 'more okv ii -:`""try could be iiiiiitced to rely upon. its b, f;--grictliture, the more advantageous it would L1,1 ) . 1. ,every class of the comioniiity• e ll'''. Ilkto‘vbt declared, that every thing which tl,i.ltWitraill Ii the c(liirse of the discussions oil ,I..i'.ltioi iutportailt Jilt)lect , confirmed hint in his tit !Phal oto„i,„ ti„.b. ale 4iterests of the agricul ta,st' , ''' ere le:s proteaed than those' of any Itl v . r "mss tau t the cmmitinty. lic was perfectly iiii: t i t i e °I tile ildvatitiq,,s 'resulting trout commerce lt,„ -li4saufactiireb, but lie thought thot they had ti,:l`‘,l, ca nett quite far'ctioiyi). .. 1.... a usE. , A we Ills decide(' obj ection to the mo. 4 °1 1113 itagat iiuuutuubie r'rzend, because he was nc-tti4(le(l that it wns impoSsible fen* a Com mitre iu tne lires.ent Session, to i.lvesti,oce Cte smile ! hi a ittil ,And satisfietory mAnner A.i li Mot:'able Gentleman (Alt'. IVesterti) had said, that Ine a... M in ed on this sunject that the 'imposed alteration wid] rAise the ni tee ot: corn. Ile hail not only assumed this, but he'llad proved tt ; and wheinA•er the general gars:ion should again be disrtis‘eil, Ile was prepared again to proi'e that it woultsi ds) so. iltr. L. tVrtn.t.EsLEY said, 'that to big certain knowledge the grower of corn was such a si tuatiou, that milesb prompt assistaucc were af forled him, the aid %illicit it would ultimately he toipod necessiiry to give him woul:1 much more severely ou the uther clasies of the commu nity. _ J. I'. GRANT voted for the present COM-. mince, because the •object was . to inforin the ; and so thoroughly was• he convinced that the tendency of this measure was the reverse of what was supposed, that it tended to cheapen bread to the poor, that he thought the More it was discussed the better. He had no doubt, that if it were discussed fully, but dispassionately discussed,' without the introduction even through inadvertence of expressions calculated to mislead and; inflame, he hail no doubt it would appear, to the entire satisfaction of every individual in the country, to he established :not only by just rea soning, but by the yet more unerring test of ex perience, that the measures of regulation for merly so long and so successfully adopted, and now again proposed, arc directly calculated to lower the price of bread to the poor, to secure to the labourer a constant and plentiful supply, to advance the interest. of the manufacturer, at . the same time with that of the landholder, and con sequently of the whole community. • Air. PRESTON was of opinion that the landed interest ought to be kept at a. fair par with the other branches Of the community It was impos sible that the prices of agricultural produce and the rent of land could fall to What they were be fore the (vat-, while every other article, had sus taineda proportionable increase. 'The Grower Of Corn ought to have such encouragement as to in chice,him to raise the supply of food necessary for the consumption of the country ; and it was well ascertained that this country could grow a.shf ficiencV of Corn.for its . own subsi,telice. Sir CHARLES BURRELL said, it was incumbent on the Legislature of. a great country like :his to take equal, care of the interests of all classes of iti dividtiatsf ,A clamour, in Many instances certainly very unnecessary, had been raised against the measure befOre the House ; but is the amount of the taxes and burdens o:i ageiculture were Imlay taken into considelation, Calif clamour, he had doubt, would he done .away. The Assessed Taxes, Property fax, - and Poor's Rates, no doubt si - eigh-: classes oftheicorumunitv, but there were some taxes whielL were born ex , lusivti ) by the agricultural class, and were direct taxes on hus l)andry. The . tax on husbandry horses was 01 this description, and w , s , mosi niyress.ve .11 its opera tion. The tax tin, malt was an indirect tax on agriculture, a.c.d its op:Tatilm Oil it was In ,re se ccre that), the Propert, fax. It was brought for ward al, a War Tax by Mr. Pitt, att.: he belie%ed the tax was -much be:IV:Cr tban the value of the prottycc.-. hich it Wits !Air While all these cittuinstances weighed on the farmer, it was nu possible for him Cc) affoid produce at the price which it bore before the w-ir. ti hoped, boat in the course of the. Couniatiet: matters wonld be cc;nsidered fairly, and that tivntlemen would not allow theniselves to 'he ied away by a vain cla mour-, or a teMporarylioputarity. Lord A HAMILTON avßrehe.ihie,d, that any dis cussion. upon' the measure W 04141 now ,be snper thious. ,He considered himself now booed to op pose the Committee; because he considered that no effective ineasnre could result from, their la bou.s, and be carried through Parliament doting the present Session. The House was lu so :le. de gree in a. 'awkward situation. He should he sorry to encourage the ninilm that the House hod been determn tied either by the number of petitions or the clamour out of doors. But, on the;other hand, he could not consent to vote fora proposition Nvhich lie considered. us hopeless for the object which it had in view. Before• he could make up his iniml as to what might 1h con sidered a fair encouragement - to -the;Agriculturist, he should wish to hear something.froni.the‘Rlght lion. Gentleman (the Qihtuyellor of the Exci.e quer) respectinv„the duration of tlie.War Taxes and Property Tax, and the period att -- thich we might expect to see our currency restored •to its former State. The law, as it now stood, would'plaee the country in a different siolation in this respect hi the•cour,te of it few months.' The CHANCRLLOII of the EXCIIEGIUER thought it would be premature at present, to determint whe ther any toensure would 6 . 1* would not follow the labours of the Committee cain , ' the present Ses,- elan. They ought to wait for the Report - of" the ! Ccimmittee before deciding upon this point. For the prOtegtion oFotir agriculture, it wouhl be ne cessary that a Bill of some .161 - 0 or other should , be passed. But hie did riot think it probable that the Report of the . Committee would.•be laid be fore th , qn in time to admit of being carried through both• Houses of Parliament during the present Session. Mr. ILTHORNTON thought the Muse ought not to delegate so important a trust as that' pi ()posed to a Committee of their number, as there was no iodiyidual who was not already pledged to one side or the othr. The CoMmitte - e - ought rather to sit for the purpose of informing them more fully, on different points whit:h at present require' elucidation ; and the measure ought to be put off' for another Session. Mr. Pll ELLIPS said, if the Committee W 33 merely to•direct its attention to the scale regulating the duty on importation, he - woutd certainly appose it.• He thought the (Lingers which %vete appre heoded from a tree trade were altogether without fouudation. This country was•supplied with most manufactures cheaper than airy othar, 811(1 the agriculturist was not therefore placed in a disad vautageous situation in comparison with the corn growers of other countries. It was said t it a free trade wood(' draW capital from agriculture to coin ; meice-, but the accumulations' of commerce had a natural tendency to seek that secnrity i i land which land alone could afford thew. Laud de rived the greatest benefit from commerce. They had-as yet no information as to the state of prices on the . Continent. They ought to• know whe ther we could bear fOreign competition in our o w n markets. Even at the present moment Cie Irish onPorter could more than brave foreigit conipetitiOn here ; for he .:ould afford to sell cheaper than we could import it from Dant zic, flamburgh, and , Konig‘hurg. Notwith standing the large importations front the agfteulture of this country had continued , to flourish. They had lately passed a Bill for the allowing a freedom of exportation. This implied that Elie farmers Of this country pqssessed the power of bearing.coMpetition in foreign markets. Yet 0y the mill now before the House it was im plied that our farmers could not bear foreign com petition in our own mar:“:ts. The Irish had culiar advantages over the natives of this country : they had no income tax and nu poor's rates. One would think, therefore, that the perniitting importation from Ireland would, ruin. the agri culture 'of Great Britain ; but yet it was found that our agiicultore had been going on re- gularlyincreasing. Ile Collit not thinly that this limitation now wished for would be ultimately ad vantageous to the lauded interest ; for, if a free. trade in grain were to he-allowed, it would lead. to au improvement of otitz_general commerc.e.— Ilk increase of et/111,11(1'ft would give rise to an increase of national wealth, and consequently au increase of population, which in the end would' aff=ord an auditional encouragement to agriculture'. This free trade would, dirt-el:ire, in 'reality, be most beneficial to the landed interest. Where, the effects of commerce were most seen in this country, there the rents of land would be found higher titan anywhere-else: It had horn said, that it was of importancego us: tahave an independent supply of grain. But could any other country be averse to sending corn to the country which abounded •most in capitid, and which possessed . tile most valnahle articles for returning. cat'- 'goes? - Whenever this country wanted corn, it had always been supplied with it, notwith standing that Most extraordinary confederacy which we had lately witnessed. B ut nothing could he more ill judged than to prevent an extension of trade foy the sake of an apprehension of a' mea-, sure, W bleb, under circumstances the most fa vourable- for such an object, never could be:ac complished. A great: panic had' certainly seized the agricultural part of the conn»unity, anti a panic had'alSo wiied the commercial part. Com merce, as might have been . foreseen on the con clus,on of it peace, was seeking out new channels, moch occasioned consikicralile einbarrasstnent trade. Tiley were not, however, on that account to endeavour to he., p ur. the'prices of our maim factires.; yet, by aparity of re:Ascii-ling, mannfac tures .-ere as well entitled to such assistance as grain vats. Fur tliee reasons he should be glad 'to vole tor a Committee, it It were to sit merely for the purpose of furr ishing theni with infor mation on the subject, and not to conieto any de -cision fluSKlssox said; ercrv''*3il ject alluded to by the Hon. Gen - dem:in would, ;Is the motion - was " shaped, route before the Committee.; for the first reference to that Committee was that of all the I'e6tions on the .tirbie on the subject of the Corn Liws. In some of these Petitions. the! freedom or trade was surely introduced. He hoped, there.- fore, that the lion. Gentleman would give his. vote for the Committee. • He would state tile rea sons why he supported the present motion for a Comtnittee., though neohjected - to the appointment of a Committee on a tinnier occasion. Ile believed now, as he did then, - that there was no probabi lity of any impcatation 'Of Corn- into this country before.:-the next harvest. The only circumstance which vatic(' his view, was that.of tie number Of Petitions which had beta presented to Cie House. The views of these Petitioners . , even if founded in misrepresentation, although they ought not to duce any Kember to do that which - he-was not con vinced was just and proper, were still entitled to the most. respect fid cousblerationof the House. , Al though the. Petitions were lb many iustalices the result of malevolence and mistaken appeals to the feelings of the people, they ought to he met by temperate inquiry and the fullest investigation. The circumstance of such a number of PetitionS, therefore, afforded ii ground for those who were favourable to the measttre,.to support the present inquiry ; for the object of these Petitions was not to make any alteraiiith in the Corn Laws, or Cr make. noalteration in them, hofit I . ol;ther With respect - to the encOuritgcment Which ought to-- be afforded to the faqinier i it !liould he - con sicleNd that there vas now a great diminution in the value of inone' ! , , , and that the capital ne cessary for carrying oil what farming operations most now be double- to it was before the • %Var. The Noble Lord (Lord Arch. Hamilton) deceived himself, therefore, if he thought that things cittild return to what' they were before the war; This was one of the most clangerous errors w hich could be entertained. What was like to be the permA neat . charge of this country; now that the xvier was at••alt 'end The whole expence of this country, including all our e! . itahlishments he- fore the war, only amounted to 16 millions. Ire could not -anticipate what part - of our present esta blishments would be now kept up ; brit whatever they might be, he believed th a t our peace t;sta, blishment must entail on us a —permanent charge of nearer 69, than 50 millions. Would this pro duce no alteration in the money value of articles When Gentlemen talked of tiie increased . price or bre a d, was lint every thing else raised'irrprapor- . two,- and that not in con.equeuce of the. high price of bread, but the -amount of taxation ? I.t was iinpos'sible for the country to return fO the . priee3 . before'the war. it'had been said, that the obvious' reonedy, was to lower the rents.- He had not the good fortune to be a landholder, and.he had no interest but that of the 1)111111c iil general in view. The proportion of the 'gross proceed Of land, which now came to the landlord, however it might be represented in moneve was now much less than it was in 1792. Previous to the war, in a farm of Moderate eKtent, the- farmer considered himself requited if he made three rents front it. Bat it was necessary, in the ease of such a- farm now, that the farmer should make at least five rents to be enabled to go on. If even the whOle rental of the country were remitted, it would be • ilupossiole to return to the, prices before tt:e war. Ilc was not afraid to declare that the people of this country - noist not expect, he the law oi the subject what it may, that, with our burthens, the price of bread can evcr be less than double. w tat. it was before the war. lifith respect .0 'the next harvest, it was in the hands or Providei.cc, and he trusted that it,would he as plentiful List ; but in the year following this tip! farmer oaght to !pow what chances he had of being Protected or rnined ins the e!iterprizes in' which he was engaged. With a view, therefore, to satisfy the opponents of the measure, and also to give hopes tb the agriculturist, he thoight it would be desirable to proceed to the Committee. Bito.Ani-tuesic saw no occasion for any in terference to protect the ,agricultural interest. Competition caused the inan o f, etore r t o s ie ,sd hi s articles' into the inurket at' the lowest rate, but there was no such cause that operated on the land holder. , Colonel WOOD thought there was protection ne.cessaay for the glower of corn ; but if there must be , some protection afforded hiat, let it he on those kinds of grain tram which brtatd was not produced. Let there be a tood prollibitiou as to the importation of barley anti oats, and as to wheat only when it reached a particular price. - Sir a W. CURTIS was sorry to hear invidious comparisons between the manufacturing and the agricultural interests. f:e thought they were best supported when the two stood together. He thought the appointment Of a Committee a very salutary proposition, and felt regret than the House had Proceeded to such a length in the Bill how before them, without having availed theta- selves of the information which they were thence likely ter derive. Why shoidd they now be pre tending to legislate, without knowing what the rehl- price of any one thing winch they purposed to regulate was ? Mr. CANNING heartily concurred in the view of the matter taken by the worthy Baronet (Curtis). if the proposition of his fright Honourable Friend, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, was meimt- to serve as an instrument for, ultimately expediting' the Bill now before the House, he (Mr. Cumin%) should vote against the appointment of though he - .-conlessed he should feel-greatly embarrassed in doing so, as it must appear strange ant of doors, that with such a mass of Petitions . arr .their tahle, asking of them .not to proceed without farther information on the subject, they should wish to shut. their eves against such in formatitm as they could. obtain. - After the ex-, planation, however, which his . Right Iloaour able Friend' had given on this subject, . and. after' being told' that it was not meant to 'pledge the House , to proceed- on ...the Report in the course of the present. Session; unless there should seem to be a- necessity fOr so doing, lie thought .that sendiog the matter to a Colainittee was, pro bably, ',the most natural way of , diiptasiug in the subject. He was of opinion, however, that the' way- Of wording the' Motion of the Chaucetlor the Exchequer • was- objectimiable, in . as• far its it went to have it supposed that every thing except the scale was settled—a thing ao which he Gould by no means assent. He undoubtedly a tea that theonly new circumstance itm the case . was thenn mense-numher of Petitions which had been pre-_ seined. But he asked, was hot that quite enoaaa---a not indeed to throw the 'House round, ctil,t to compel them to abandon a measure whieti Were satisfied was highly beneficial to the collo try ; but to induce them to delay and see what they could do to allay the alarms aud quiet the agitated feelings Of the people ? LaSt year , = the - Committee appointed was a Cohnuittec to consider the Petitioas Which had been presented "on the subject of the importatioa and exportation of Corn, and the duties on ne asaed, should not. time House. adopt that precise Burnt now, at least as to the importation of Corn ?. With respect to the exportation Of Corn, oil that sub ject the Bill had already passed that House.. A Report -coining from a Committee so apaohmted, would have the effect of renroving all the-errors, • if errors they, were, which tit present pervaded the, )mblie mind, and of shelving that there Was-no indisposition on-the part ()laic House to attend eveo to exaggerated views of supposed errs, when duly repreierited to them. These trite views of this subyTt. He should be sorry to move an Amendment - to 'the - int - Aim; of his Right Hon. Friend, but' hoped he-would - consent to ge neralize the question. He would not go- the length of asking of his Bight Hon. Frietid to pledgeitimself that nothing should be done in the matter dto ing.the present Session. That woold, probably, be to ask too much of his Riabt Friend ; but,, if. it should be understood that on this point every one was - to he eoitlecl a after- a wards; - to judge for himself, he ( - Air. Canning) should be perfectly satisfied. _ Sir J. NEWPORT snbantted, that the HI nise eras called on to legislate on general principles, and not to adopt a permanent system, on ha'al, fleet ing, cirCrunstances. To proceed now to appoint a Committee would only be to keep the public mind uselessly afloat. The greater part of the Petitions now on the table, ,he was satisfied had been poneured at the instigation of persons interested in foreign Corn, for their own advan tage, without any reference whatever to the good of the people, who hail, through misrepreseotation and ignorance, been induced to put their mimes to thetnL:--people whO were easily worked upon by the cry of bread at 'sixpence the -qiiartern boat, and who would.grasp, at an iminediate. relief of that kind, though at the expence of paying 18d. for it within the next eighteen months. Mr:'.llarrtNo could hot bear to hear the great, and, in. manrinstauces a respectable body of Peti fionersnowbefore the Douse on the subject of 6e. Corn ['Jaws, treated iu so uudeserved a man na'. They we're said to be ignonint oi; the stkb. jeer as.to which. they .had petitioned the Ilouse. There was aowhere a however, ke, ventured to af firm, more false information on this subject .to be fowl(' than iii the learned papers which the Com mittee of hat year:had laid before the House in their Report. All the Petitiotiers walited NV , : not to see laws established which shinild cause them to pay 'for their bread more than 'was ne.dessarv. It was said that the Bill before the House would be beneficial, in 113 tar as it would have the effect Not' making the price of breed steady. a iNow, he could not See that it would have tiiiS effect. Steady prices were never produced by restriction. Apply r,;il ees , ) 114 aijAl 1 704 C}4 / oil