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PARLIAMENT. t, frau THIS is to give notice; that in Pursuance 'of Directions from the COMMISSIONERS for VIC TPALLiNG HIS MAJFSI'Y'S NAVY, I shall be ready at this place, on TUESDAY, the 26th inst., to.receire Tenders. ii.),riting (sealed up), front such Persons as will undertake to Nrchase the HIDES, (except, what may be wanted for the Mck - Yards), and FAT that may be produced from the Oien slaughtered for the service of His Majesty's Victualling De- Partments at Chatham and Portsmouth, from the Ist day ,of tTrilmext ensuing, until the 30th day of June following. Tenders to contain prices, expressed in words at length foi each article, and to' be made separate for . each port. — same tube paid forest the end of . each month. WILLIAM . MELLISH. Shadwell-Dock, March 12, 1822. . . whenever a vacancy occurred, if there was any - die on the rei tired list who - was capable of filling it, he would be introduced into 4-.(flea:.)_This was a principle called fir not r only by economy, but by justice. Formerly imlividuabi'we'refrebtient ly- superannuated merely _on account of incapacity, littattse when the Clerks rose merely by seniority it - sornetim petted in :inch a gradual uninterrupted succession, - t2, - ..e..t iiica 'pable persons-ruse to important situations,' from which it was absolutely necessary-to superannuate them. Most of the man plaints of superannuattbn allowances had arisen freso these ac. •cidents, which would not occur tinder the linproVod sy - 4tein. •He could. notiold out a hope of a further reduction on the Establishmer.ts. The reduction was 80-great at the Admiralty. that during the accidental illness of two of thedorks, greatin convenience had been felt. - Sir B. MARTIN said, the present cor.stitntion-of the Navy Board had originated with the recommendation of the Cern. , ntissioners of Inquiry, in 1784, acted to by Ear/ Svemer is 171.46. He had hoped that when - it was known thata rptinction - of nearly a million was made in (Ike Estimates, they; would have been carried by acclamation, and that there VOuld - not have been a quibble upon every itern. - • . , . Mr. BERNAL remarked warmly on the avpiicktion of the term quibble, and observed, that from the discussions ti 4 House, the Admiralty themselves had derived great infOrma t time; and why, lie might ask, were the savings now effected, not thade three oi44u.r years ago Sir. I.COFFIN observed, that .- there was 'an increase -of force necessary beyond 1792, on account of the force in the South Sea. It Coat, HOUSE OF LORDS, MOKDAYOVIARCH 18. The House met at 12 o'clock and proceeded in Appeals.--The Earl of FALMOUTH was intro duced by the Earl of SHAFTESBURY, and the Earl of LIMERICK. 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Between the Second Third Parts, Fantasia, Flute , Oblizato, Mr. Nicholson.—Part HI. A GRAND MISCELLANEOUS ACT, in which will be in troduced several favourite Compositions, including some Pieces from Rossini's celebrated Sacred Oratorio, of MOSES IN EGYPT ; to rknclude with (by desire) . a Selection from the Original Music by M. Loclm, in:MACBETH. .PftINCIPA4 Sitmas.—Mrs. Sahuon, Miss Goodall, Miss Povey, Mrs. Bellcl►an►bers, and Maclaine Ronzi de Begnis; Mr. Bellamy, Mr. Begrez, Signor de Begnis, Signor Torri, nor Placci, Mr. Pyrie, Mr. Hawes, Mr:Nelson, Mr. Tinney, Mastrir I...nngburst, and Mr. Sapio. (':inductor—Sir Geo. Stuart, who will preside at the Organ. PRIVATE PUPIL. A.,BENEFICED and MARRIED. CLER if?L. GYMAN, whose Family consists of a FE'V PRI :4TE PUPILS, .has now a VACANCY fur one. Distance London., between Nine and Ten Miles. Letters, left for Rev. J. C. C., Mr. Hayes's, Bookseller, Henrietta-street, Covent-garden, will be duly forwarded. TEN GUINEAS REWARD. TO PRINTERS, ENGRAVERS, &c.-- Whereas it has been discovered that certain Persons ar e in the habit of Printing and Veading Labels, being copies : I , l. „llltitations of those affixed to the. bottles containing the "nNit.JINE BLACKING prepared by DAY and MARTIN, t hereby enabling unprincipled dealers to impose on their cus tomers a bad and injurious article. We hereby offer a reward °,t Ten'Guineas to any Person who shall give such.informa sion. as will lead to the conviction of any one guilty of these ill egal practices. DAV AND MARTIN, . Feb. 1822. 97, High Holborn.. PUBLICATIONS. 11ELIGIOUS BOOKS and TRACTS at REDUCED PRICES.—The BOOKS acid TRACTS on the CATALOGUE of the SOCIETY. for PROMOTING C HRISTIAN KNOWLEDGE, may be had by the Public at ‘ ,orisiderably Reduced Prices, at the Society's Depository, " 0 . 21; Fleet.street. N. B.—Bibles, Testaments, and Common Prayer Books, at cost Prices. Catalogues gratis. 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GRAHAM obtained leave to bring in a Bill for build, ing a new Chapel in the P ar i s h o f St. Andrew, - Holborn. Sir A CAMPBELL obtained leave to bring in a Bill for erecting a new Gaol in the city of Glasgow. IRON COFFINS. . • Mr. Alderman WOOD brotlin - Ci - a Bill to authorize the use of Iron Coffins in burying the dead.—Read the first time. TITHES.—IRELAND. Mr. CALCRAFT moved for a Return of all Causes tried in the Law Courts of Ireland for the last five years, relative to Tithes, and of all Appeals tQ the Ecclesiastical Court on the same subject during the same period.—Ordered. NAVAL RANK. Sir J. YORKE, seeing an Hon. 'Secretary in his place (Mr. Croker), rose to put a question to him relative to a late occur rence, which had created considerable sensation amongst that class, of Naval Officers with whom he was in the habit of associ ating. Before he preceeded any further, however, he begged distinctly to disclaim any thing like personal feeling ; for he assured the House he had not the slightest, and it was solely from the interest he felt for the service that he was induced to take thiS public_ notice of the matter. It had been the usage or custom for some time back, in the Navy, and indeed had been considered as inviolable as a law, that Naval Officers who by remaining in the enjoyment of any civil anointment should pass their flag, should not again' be put back to the station in the Navy, which had they not so done they might have filled. In contravention - of this rule, however, he found in a late Ga zette, that John Clark Serle, Esq. 'late Commissioner of the Victualling Office, after being twelve years in a civil situation, and having passed his.flag during that time, was placed again on the Flag List, as Rear-Admiral of the White, as the Ga zette stated, 'by his Majesty's 'special pleasure and command. The question, therefore, which he had to put was, whether the rule to which he had alluded had been abandoned ? The dr, cumstance had operated as a peculiar hardship upon the officers over whom he had been placed, and the painful part of it was— The SPEAKER reminded the Hon. Member, that unless he intended to conclude with a motion, he was going beyond the ordinary bounds. Sir J. YORKE, said, that be hoped he should be permitted to state his question fairly, however long it might be, as he was desirous of taking the benefit of the Speaker's being in th e Chair, in which case he knew he would be secure from inter ruption. The SPEAIKER assured the Honourable Member that it was not the extent of his speech, but the argumentative part of it that he complained of. Sir J. YORKE resumed. He wished merely to get an individuals who to his questions. One of th e mer it or i ous who had suffered by the departure from the rule, was Rear- Admiral Monckton, who had been promoted from distinguish ed conduct in the hour of battle. 'The Hon. Member was pro ceeding to enter into detail, when Mr. S. - WORTLEY spoke to order. He thought the ad monition which the Honourable and Gallant Member had re ceived from the Chair, might have convinced him of the im propriety of going at length into the merits of the case of Ad miral Serle. Sir J. YORKE said, he had three questions to ask, at the same time that he felt highly obliged to the Honourable Mem ber for Yorkshire for putting him right as to his conduct in that House, after he had been 32 years in it. He knew not whether the report was true or not, but such a one was a b r o a d, that this Gentleman had been directed to leave the chair of the Victualling Board, which he had occupied so long. This was the more extraordinary, as,he .had received special marks of approbation during the course of his civil services, not only re ceiving a pension besides his salary, but obtaining one for Mrs. Serle also. This report, it would be perceived, placed his late appointment in a more extraordinary light. Mr. CROXER rose to order. Although it was competent to his Honourable and Gallant Friend to state his question, it was certainly going beyond all fair limits, and unjust to the individual alluded to, to admit of any debate being entered into upon his charaCter. He believed that his Honourable and, Gallant Friend and himself were not at variance on that part. of the question, but he could not in justice to Admiral Serle permit it to be canvassed in this irregular manner. With_re gard to the question, it was certainly true that this individual had retired from the Victualling Board, but nOt as his Hon. Friend had stated. - Sir J. YORKE said, that as his lion. Friend had called him to order for entering into debate, he surely could not be in or der in doing so himself. The SPEAKER wished the Honourable Member to un derstand that the course he was taking was not in strict accord anee with the practice of the Hou se . The Hon. Member asked one question as to the maintenance or abandonment of a rule, and another as to whether the course supposed to have been pursued was fair. Although it might be perfectly fair to ask the first of these questions, he did not think the latter was of a nature that could be let in by the courtesy' of the House,:— (Hear.)—All questions, he apprehended, must be confined to matters of fact, and not be extended to whether the fact itself was fair, fit, or expedient. He hoped that the Honourable.: Member, seeing that the general feeling of th e H ou s e was against the course he was taking, would not persist in it.— (Hear.) • 111 ALT DUTY BILL Mr HUSKISSON said, that as the Hon. and Gallant Member(Sir J. Yorke) probably took the opportunity of an interval in the course of public business to bring forward this subject, he rose to move that the Order of the Day for the bringing up of the Report on the Malt Duty Bill be read. The Report having been brought up, Mr. HUSKISSON begged to observe with reference to this subject, that he had heard with surprise of the observa tions which had occurred in the Committee, whose Report was then before them. He took blame to himself for not having been present on that occasion, and he had only been apprised of the observation to which he alluded from those sources which were open to all • the world ; but they appeared to him so monstrous that he could; not allow this occasion to pass without noticing them. He alluded to the assertion that the present reduction in the duty upon malt would not lead to a diminution in the price of beer, and that it was therefore the intention of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, in this measure, to put a bonus into the pockets of the brewer. The amount of this bonus, if the measure were to have that operation, would be 800,0001. ; and he never could believe that it was the in tention of his Right. Hon. Friend, that the benefit of this re.. mission of taxation should go into the pockets of the few, when the many were so much in need of it.—(Hear, hear !)--Ile could not believe that the people of England would assent to the arrangement; and he was sure the House would uncrfere to prevent it.—(Hear, hear !)—After such an intimation, the price of barley being so much depressed as it was, lie hoped that whoever had money enough to buy a barrel and a bushel of malt,' would prefer brewineat home to taking his beer of the public brewer.—(Hear.)—Re hoped, too, it wouldhave the effect of inducing farmerA to brew more generally, so as to be able to give their labourers some good wholesome beverage, instead of paying them entirely in money wages, and sending them to the public house to pay a high price for a bad article. He alsb recommended it to the serious attention of NI a b , ristrates to license a greater number of free public houses, though it might be destructive tomany of the "—ewer's houses. Ile should be glad to see any mode put in practice tending-to break th r e com bination to prevent the people from having the benefit all a re mission of taxation intended for their rclief.—(Hear !)—These two measures would operate in that way, but still they would be inadequate. The intention of the Legislature was, that the relief should be felt by the consumer - and as it appeared that the price of beer was not to be lowered, it became their duty to consider whether they should allow the whole benefit of the measure to accrue to the public brewer. It was in their power to preVent the intimation which hail Fortunately been given in time, from being carried into effect. In conse quence of the great depression in the ric,e of barley-- a clear benefit would thereby result to the - brewers of from 800001. to 900,0001. 'lf then the consumer was to have no portion of this from the hands of the brewer, he really thought that. House ought to lay a duty upon every barrel of beer equivalent to the amount of diminished cost effected by the repeal of the malt duty, contingent to its remaining at its present price._( Hear, hear. )_He suggested this seriously to his Right Honourable Friend (the Chancellor of the Exche quer), for if ever the public had a right to look for a diminu tion in the price of th e necessaries of life, and particularly in this article of beer, it was now.--( Hear, hear.)—Either the brewers had mismanaged their affairs very much in the price they had charged for their manufactures hitherto, or they were makifig at this moment very inordinate profits. No one could doubt:this who considered the diminution in the capital requir ed consequent upon the reduced prices of all the articles requi site to production. But independently of this, it was riot to be borne, when a reduction of tax was made to the extent of a farthing on the pot of beer, the public were not to have the benefit in the price ; and the grower, in the increased demand, produced by the lowering of the prices. He declared that he had no interest in it one way or the other; but if his Right Honourable Friend did not take it up in the light he had sug gested, he would himself propose a resolution, to lay such an addition of duty on the stock of the public brewer, as should be commensurate with the intended benefit to the people at large. When the reduction of-a million and a half of taxes had gone hand in hand with the reduction of the interest of the public debt---a measure which, although perfectly fair and Just, yet deprived many persons of some portion of their annual means Of livelihood—it was beyond all descrip tion unjust that the benefit of that reduction should go, not to the consumer, but to a class who did not deserve it.-- (Hear, hear.) Mr. CALCRAFT said, he agreed entirely'in what had fal len4rom the Right Hon. Gentleman, who had just`sat down ; he had not been present when the conversation alluded to took place, .but he perfectly agreed-with the Right Hon. Gen del:Min that it was monstrous that the intention of the Legis lature to:remove a burden from the people should be converted into means of additional profit to a class not entitled, and not contemplated by the Measure. He had „heard the Right Bon. Gentleman with peculiar pleasure, because he was not inclined to give a bonus of 800,0001. to that class of persons ; and beiatise it would afford him an opportunity of renewing his Motion for a reduction of the Salt Tax, at the rate of 500,0001. a year. The Right Honourable Gentleman had opened a, plan which would not create a fund of 500,0001. by whieh-this might be effected, but which would leave 300,0001. over and above. He hailed this as a most fortunate prospect for those friends of his proposition upon the subject of the Salt Tax. Speaking on this subject, he could not help advert ing to the tax upon hops. There were upwards of 50,000 acres employed in the cultivation of this article, and it produced an amount of duty equal to 240,0001. per annum. Thus it was n tax of 51. per acre on land, and on an ingredient forming so essential a necessary of life, at the same time that it o p era t e d as a monstrous burden on that part of capital employed in the produce of this article. He thought this tax should be looked at with a very jealous eye ; but with regard to the proposition - of the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Huskisson), it would be tantamount to a further reduction of taxation, without troubl ing the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and without taking one shilling from- the Sinking Fund. Mr. .HUSKISSON begged to remind the Hon. Gentleman that his proposition was to be contingent on the price of beer remaining at what it now is ; and he was sure that what had already passed would have the effect of lowering it. Mr. CALCRAFT admitted the Right Hon. Gentleman's', contingency, but he relied on the firmness of the brewers. Mr. DAVENPORT expressed his concurrence and grati tude in the sentiments of the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Huskisson.) Mr. BUXTON said, that the proposition of the Right son. Gentleman was no more than what he had himself suggested on that occasion. For his own part he begged to say, that con nected as he was with the trade, if the brewers continued to act upon the intimation they had given of not reducing the price of beer, he would join in support Of the proposition of the Right Hon. Gentleman.--(Hear, hear.) Sir J. YORKE hoped-also, that the beer being of inferior quality would be made a necessary contingent for the imposi tion of the duty. Mr. HUSKISSON said, that although he had no objection to propose such a clause, he could not consent to be the taster.—(A laugh.) After a few words from Mr. Curwen, General Gascoyne, and Mr. Cripps, the Report w as rec ei ve d an d agree d to, and the Bill ordered for a third reading to-morrow. A Message from the Lords announced their Lordships' As sent to certain Private Bills (for which see Lords.) Mr. PRICE presented a Petition from certain occupiers of land, in the county of Herefordshire, complaining of Agricul tural Distress. Sir I. COFFIN said, he did not think the prospects of Here fordshire so gloomy as the Petitioners stated. The Petition was laid on the table. • MR. HUNT. Mr. BRIGHT presented a Petition from the Town of Bris tol, ptaying the Howie to take the cave of Mr. Hunt into con sideration. The Honourable Member said, that he was sorry to be obliged to say, • that the representations which h a d b een made in the first instance respecting the hardships of Mr. Hunt ) had been borne out by subsequent investigation ; he trnsted that the House would give the subject that attention which it deserved. Mr. HUME presented a Petition of a similar tendency, from Chippenham, in Wiltshire. The Hon. Gentleman said, that from all inquiries up to the. present hour, that he had made respecting the case of Mr. Hunt, he was able to say that that individual had been treated with great and unnecessary severity. The Petitions were ordered to lie on the Table, and to be Mr. HUME presented a Petition from the •Proprietors of Land in the Western District of Strathmore; in Perth, com plaining of Agricultural distress—Ordered to lie on the Table. THE IRISH FIVE PER CENTS. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that the question of the Engligh Navy Five per Cents. having been disposed of, it now remained for him to state that precisely the same arrangement was intended to be made with respect to the Irish Navy Five per • Cents. The Right . Honourable 'Gentle man then gave notice that he would move on to-morrow that the House should resolve itself into a Committee on the Irish Navy Five per Cents. Mr. HUME wished to know what, was intended to be done with respect to 50,0001. Five per Cents. due to the Bank of Ireland ? Was it intended on the part of Government to pay them off; or was it intended to receive the usual rate of interest ? , • The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that it was intended to offer to the Bank of Ireland the same terms which would be offered to other holders of•five per cent. Stock ; and, should the - Bank decline accepting those terms, then, like other dissenting parties, the Bank would be paid off. . The, CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER then moved that there be laid before the House, copies of Two Treasury Minutes, on the subject of the reduction of the Salaries of Civil Officers. • The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER next moved that there be laid, before the House an estimate of the sum that may be required to pay off those Proprietors of the Navy five per cents. who might dissent from the terms offered by Parlia meat. - The Right lion. Gentleman (as far as could be col lected, for he spoke tin a tone of voice extremely low) said that he. wished to lay an estimate of the sum that might be necessary to pay off the dissenting parties, before the House ; the esti mate would not be confined.to the exact sum that might be re quired, but would exceed that sum by about 100,0001. in order to meet contingencies. The Right Hon. Gentleman (as was understood) proceeded to say, that the sum required would be 2,600,0001. Mr. LUSFIINGTON brought up an Account of the Esti mate moved for by the Chanceuer of the Exchequer. Ordered to be referred to the Committee of Supply. COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY. On the motion that the House resolve itself into a Committee of Supply, Mr. BERNAL said, that his Ron. Friend (Mr. Hume) had on a former climbing alluded to an individual (whose name could not be learned), who (according to the statement of his -Honourable Friend) had received a large superannuation al lowance, after a very few years service. The fact was, that the Gentleman alluded to had (patting all together) been in the public service for a period of 30 years. Mr. Il UAIE said, that he hactspolcen from the Returns. If the statement he had made were erroneous, the Returns led hire:into the error. . Sir JOSEPH YORKE said, that he had to mention a sub ject which had excited acknatinbacest atpong naval officers, and which deeply concerned the profession. The facts were these —John Clarke Searle, Esq. Rear Admiral of the White; passed his flag three years ago, he having been Chairman of the Victu alling Board ; that officer, however, as appeared from the Gazette, had, notwithstandin g having passed his flag, been ap pointed Rear Admiral of the White. Be (Sir J. Yorke) said, that the cause of the retirement of that Officer from the Victu alling Board was in consequenca of some alleged delinquency in the subordinite departments of the Victualling Office. It struck him, and he believed it struck the Officers of the navy in geneial with surprise, that the Officer in question, havin ,, filled the chair at the Victualling Board for 14 years and a hart' —hiving been, (hiring the course of the war, so much approved of at the Treasury as to have been highly rewarded, and to have. had a pension of 3001. a year conferred on his lady—that he should have been suddenly displaced, as it were, by a flash of Royal displeasure—(A laugh.)—For his own part, he was sure that the Gallant Officer (John Clarke Searle) was not 'ca pable of any thing that could in the slightest degree reflect upon him ; but at the same time he thought that an explana tion was required. The Hon. Member next proceeded to state, that on the removal of Admiral Searle from the Board; he found that a Colonel of the Guards (Col. Stapleton) had been appointed to his place, though it was understood that a Navy Officer was the fittest person to fill that situation—that appoint ment he could not help considering a mere job ; 'it was worth observing, there was at the Board under Colonel Stapleton a Naval Officer at a salary of 2001. a-year. Sir G. COCKBURN said, that on an investigation it ap peared that there were not those checks upon clerks in that de. partment that were deemed necessary, and it was, under all the circumstances, deemed expedient, that Admiral Searle should continue at the head of the Board, but though that determina tion was come to, the Admiralty felt and declared that there had been nothing in the conduct of Admiral Searle unworthy the character of an Officer—of a good and an honest men'; and when he was removed from the Board, the Admiralty felt it right, in order to show the world that they considered his cha racter quite unimpeached, to promote him to the rank to which he was entitled in his profession. The Gallant Officer (Sir Joseph Yorke) said, that none but Naval Officers ought to have been placed' at the head Of 'the Victualling Board ; now the contrary was the fact, for a civilian was considered fitter for the Chair. The Gallant Officer had spoken of his regard and respect' for his profession ; he (Sir G. Cockburn) was obliged to say, that the Gallant Officer had not shewn that tenderness for the interest of the profession, when, during the time he was connected with the Admiralty, he had voted in the .House against Isis conscience, but to use his own phrase, " his stern should be turned to the Board." Mr. ELLlCE'said, that the character and conduct of Ad rniral Searle were deserving of the highest respect. During the war he had discharged his duty in a manner to deserve the thanks and the honourable rewards which he had received..:,.. When he (Mr. Ellice) had heard of his removal he called ctn him, and his Hon. Friend ex pl a i ne d very m i nute l y to hi m t h e whole of the circumstances ; lie also produced to him a letter, stating that his services were no longer deemed necessary at the Board, but that letter was written in terms highly honourable to Admiral Searle. He (Mr. Ellice) was almost glad that the subject had been brought before the House, because it gave an opportunity to the Honourable Officer opposite (Sir G. Cock burn), of expressing, not only his individual sentiments, but the general opinion of ,the Admiralty with respect to the con duct of Admiral Searle,. and it also enabled him to state in his place his opinion of that Gallant Officer. Sir ISAAC COFFIN said, that he had always considered Admiral ,Searle a meritorious Officer. No person during the last war could have conducted himself more to the satisfaction of the Admiralty, or to the advantage of the service. Mr. CROKER said, that the sole object of the Board of Admiralty was to have the place in question filled by, a person most competent to discharge its duties; it was on that prmciple that Colonel Stapleton was selected without any solicitation on his part ; and .in fact he was ignorant that his a pp o i n t ment was in contemplation until it had been actually made. So far from that appointment being in the nature of a job, as the Gallant Officer had thought fit to state, independent of the merits of Colonel Stapleton, there was also a view of economy taken with respect to his appointment ; it was intended to re duce two Commissioners of the Navy Board, and he having been a Commissioner, was selected, by which me ans th e pro vision which he, would otherwise have been entitled to was saved to the country. _Thus it would appear, that so far from having in view any object of patronage, th e Lords of the Ad miralty preferred an individual for his naNts, and with a view to public economy. • It was necessary to add, that by acting on the principle he had stated, a saving had been effected of 14001. a year, whilst the business of the Department has been done much better than it had been before. . ' • • The House having gone into a Committee of Supply, Sir J. OSBORN moved that a sum' of 64,8991. 18s. 6d. should be granted for Salaries and Contingencies in the Navy Office. Mr. 'HUME objected to so large a grant. He did not see now in a time of peace the use of seven Commissioners. He could not see why so large a grant should be required, when in 1792, the sum for the same service did not amount 12,0001. He wished to know whether the reductions that had been made were, all that were intended ? The present establishment was too large, and he expected to hear whether we had arrived at what might be considered the permanent peace establishment ? Sir J. OSBORN said, the Commissioners at the Navy Board were now reduced to the lowest possible number. There were four Committees, and two Commissioners were the smallest number, it would be allowed for each. There were now but eight Commissioners. Mr. CROKER observed, there were no less than five Com missioners reduced, two at the Ports and three at the Board. He would state why they could not be reduced lower. The Min. Gentleman might be aware that the Commissioners of Naval Inquiry had advised that the business of the Navy Board should be divides,' into Committees. The business of the Navy Board could - not occupy less than three Committees, and the Transport Service another. If, however, the business of any one of these Committees was, in the course of the peace, reduced so far as to admit of its being united with another, the Admiralty Board would not omit the opportunity of effecting that reduction. As to the general subject Of the Clerks, it was true that the present saving from the reduction of Clerks would be made up in great Measure by thesUperaininations.--:- (Hear; hear, hear !)—The honourable Gentleman, however, would not wish that the individuals in question should be dis missed without superannuation. The sUptrannuations were granted, not upon the existing Act of Parliament, but on the newly reduced scale. This proved the wish of the Government to proceed with economy ; for although they had an Act of Parliament to shelter themselves under, they chose -to proceed on the reduced Scale which had not yet been sanctioned by Par liament. He should give at one view a view of the reduction in all the Offices. ,The Establishment of the Admiralty, Pay Office, Navy Office, and Victualling Office, was fixed last year at 317 Clerks. The Establishment now submitted was 263. The reduction was 54 Clerks. The expende was not very easily cal culated, because the salaries depended upon length of service.— But taking all the Clerks to have served 10 years, w hi c h was a fair calculation, the expence in the last year would have been 103,0001. and now 74,0001. the saving was in effect 33,0001. He admitted that this saving would' not at once.come into the pocket of the public, but the expence of the retirement allowances was not quite 20,0901. The accidents of mortality would diminish this every day, and there was moreover this principle established, that, Mr. HLIAIE observed, it was not the number of AShip* at sea, which was nearly the same as in 1792 . , that he object- ed to. The Honourable Secretaiy had given his account of the reductions ; he (Alr. Hume)) would give h 4 .version of it. In 1792, the expen ce o f a ll t h e offices,_ Constecfd with the Navy, was 58,9171. ;` th ey were last year 14,047 th..; this year they were reduced by 33,009 L, Which still left them at 152,0001., instead of 58,0001. The Victuallin g O'fliie.was 36,0001. in 1792 ; it was now 66,0001. The whole reduc tion on what he might call the live establishment, taking in half-pay, and superannuations,, &c. was only 31,0001., so that. the saving boasted of was in the dead expence, - or tho i se items, in which no sacrifice was required ,to effect a saving. There was a saving of 400,000 L on the ship-building. The expence of the improvement of Dock-yards was reduced from 424,0011. to 154,0001. It was, however the stafe'of the establishments they had to look to, to prove the disposition - to economy. There was one principl e which the Hon. Secretary had professed to act upon—the bringing in of individuals on the retired Lists to fill vacancies. If the Hon. Secretary, and the heads of other departments, really acted upon this principle, they would de serve greater praise than for all the reductions they had yet performed.—(Hear !)—He did not give the same credit to the new plan of promotion. H e f eare d i t wou ld not b e mer i t w hi c h would determine promotions, b u t th a t w h a t pervaded all de partments, and not less the Naval than,any other—House fit: -- Commons' interest, or P ar li amentary influence, would ha el much more to do in the matter. -As to the inconveniences said to arise from the advancement by seniority, they might be felt now and then, but in fact very rarely. Where, he would ask, were there better officers than those of the Artillery, Marine..., or Engineers, among whom promotions went entirely by s*ii rity ?—(Hear !)—There WAS one item in which he observed an increase in the present Estimates—the charge for Messengers, Sir B. MARTIN said, the number of .MessengersNavy-Office was now constantly com pl a i ne d of as ins . ufficiegt. a Sir I. COFFIN said, it was i nconce i va bl e w h at quantity of business the Messengers had to do. ma S n ir ne T r V. Be C inwhic lt h E th S e P co lGN inv i bore tr ' oiieof te th st e irrio to Navy n (Sir tig pefformed the duties of his office. Mr. CROKER observed, that although the salaries in the Admiralty Office in the year 1793 were extremely low, theper quisites or fees of Office were extremely high, in conseque;:cc of which the profits of the Secretary of that Office became very considerable, while, through the operation of the arrangemer that had since prevailed, the profits were more equally divide,i. between the Secretary and the other clerks. The Floncur able Member for Aberdeen had however stated, and appeared to conceive, that there had been no adequate reduction in the Clerks of the Admiralty Since 1793. But what was the fact? . why that in 1813 the number of clerks was 55; in 1814, 52 ; in 15, 46 • in 16, 29; in 17, 28 ; i n 19, 28 ; i n 20, 27 ; i n 21, 26; 'in 22, 14. Thus the reduction in the number of Ad miralty Clerks had gone on from year to year, especially since the peace, _in such a degree as should satisfy,even the Honour able Alen:her for Aberdeen, that the Admiralty had left -no thing in its power undone to produce every practicable eco nomy.' The fact was, that the clerks of the Admiralty had been, since 1813, reduced from 550 to 262. The Hopurahle Member for Aberdeen had observed upon the necessity ofse lecting persons to fill any vacant appointments, rather from the Superannuation List, than from any other class of the public servants This was no doubt corrects where the Super annuation List afforded competent persons. It happened Whim self to find a vacancy in his department which could not be sup plied from any class in the Superannuation List, and therefore he applied to his Hon. Friends the Comptroller of the Navy, to furnish him with a proper person. His Hon. Friend had done so, and he had to observe, that he travellekolit..of his o.wn patronage to appoint an efficient person from any other department, although he was entitled to appoint when::: he pleased. Mr. - HUME said, that no doubt the Hon. Secretary or any other public officer was deserving of any praise that could be pronounced upon him, for his endeavours to promote the cause of public economy ; but he begged leave to ask, with all the reduction that was stated to have taken place id: the number of clerks, how came it that the reduction .of p u bli c .expence in these clerks since 1813 had only amounted to 4,1001.? The Honourable Secretary had stated the salary and, perquisites of his predecessor in office had amounted to 12,0001... per annum, and if so, how came it that the . difference between the salary and fees of the Admiralty in 1796, and at the present ;time, should be so very insignificant ? Advertffig ro the charge for seven Commissioners for the Victualling Board, the lion. Member maintained• that two of these:Commissioners were quite ,unnecessary, and therefore he would propose an Amend., ment for the reduction of 1,6001. from the proposed grant for the salary . af those Commissioners._ - Sir - J. - YORKE declared, that he could see no necessity whatever for the support of seven Commissioners at the Vic. tualling Office, believing that half the number would be quite sufficient for the performance of the duty assigned to that Board. Sir G. COCKBURN said, that upon- an• inquiry instituted by himself and another Lord. of the Admiralty, it appeared that all the Commissioners of the Victualling Board were required to conduct a minute supervision of the accounts of that depart ment. If the Hon. Member for Aberdeen were himself, in deed, acquainted with the details of that department, he would, he (Sir G.) was assured, feel the propriety of an arrangement, that would guard against the comparative carelessness of clerks, by consigning the business of investigating accounts to the more responsible offices of CommisSioners. He wopld tylvise the Honourable Member, therefore, to abstain from the inju dicious economy which he appeared to have in view,-and ra ther let the business of the Victualling-office be conducted, by duly qualified persons. l'he Hon. G. BENNET thought it very extraordinary that, as the accounts of the Victualling Board_must become less mul tifarious - since the war, the same number of persons or' Cc' an missioners should still be required to superintend or.. ..alittrrae those accounts during. peace. _ ' Sir G. CLERK vindicated the proposed arrangement. Sir J. YORKE declared that he could not possibly see the necessity of having so many Commissioners paid at such a high rate to examine mere petty accounts. A great number of Clerks had, he understood,been dis Missed in this department, and, therefore, he was the more at a loss to comprehend the reason for employing such a multiplicity of - Commissioners. Mr. BERNAL expressed his surprise that now, in the se venth year of peace, it should be proposed to keep seven Cent missioncrs at the Victualling Board, particularly after 41 clerks had been dismissed from that Board as unnecessary and inef ficient; for, surely, when the clerks were so much reduced, it could not be requisite to have so much supervision of accounts as the Gallant Officer had alluded to, as an apology for an in creased number of Commissioners. • Sir G. COCKBURYbegged it to be understood, that what he meant to say was this, that the accounts of the Victualling Board had been heretofore too much under the dir ec ti on o f subordinate clerks, and that he wished to have that businoss transferred to more responsible individuals, especially as so many errors had occurred through t h e conduct of the clerks heretofore. Mr. HUAIE observed then, that if the Commissioners of the Victualling. Board had been attentive to their duty of super vising accounts heretofore, the clerks would not have commit ted so many errors; and yet it was now proposed to continue