The Sun. — London, England, 1811-02-23 00:00:00

'legal is Why was it not said that those petitions tided from en unlawful assembly ? When the ntnittee was form e d i n i Bug, Lord Fingal was be Chair. Was it intended now to criminate Nobleman I Was it intended to attack the best telsof Irela n d, an d of the Empire I Men oho un i f ormly laboured f or th e general security anti TineiS I Adverting to the Catholic Committee in Win, he declared that, in tie sincerity of his r!, he beli eve d t h em to be a most eitellent and Idispowd set of m en A mong them were mat ey i' eig laayers, influeeced by an hon oura bl e ,m_ tat which lie rejoiced ; and on th e f ruits o ' ll Ireland a n d t h e Empire would, he trusted, f ''ley have cause ,if congratulation. In that Uoity , 11 ; 41 l 'e found, many itidiveluals of the warm est I 'g t end moil `P e"did I aitai men who 'ntnents : Wit one d ay b e qu 'lified to be come the te g •tslatots t their country: Much better was it that the yoe - le t hre o f such mind, sh o uld be alloaed to etaPn i ein harmless, though -animated tionne"ce, III" wet to the MI wanted by the strong arm tit Po • 1 tli , vern or the mine, it should produce an cl i : 1 ' . el to tie eoteley, j t w as the privilege ett . sou clit te be sometimes violent—to be SOlTletlineS, 414 i i but i t Wes also thrh . privilege, in ally 't, ioteexacerbatiotis 4 bleb tended to no pubf,c evil )be eruteell L from those pettalsies to which guilt lalle "gill io be halite. Ile hoped that there tea s sine:tits:lllou the nett, of Utak:tit Government to lope `'"Y measures. It there w ere, '" '' use oaele le address his Royal Highness the `u!'ec grigent, to command Ministers to foi b ear. l ' e ll would it be for the Empire, it the cause o f a ll u; of tie !Nit Government were to i e . 41" ''' a knee trou t g Secrutgry of a Cathol ic ' 4ll ` lli ttee• He feurea these difficulties had . a . .eeper seuree.....it You have disqoalilied," said Alr. : h ra o li n a .. ti," a great portion of our l fellow subjects, ' r'Y You, taxes, and who fight your battles, aril tl 'inte th e high t glatled °tam e s of the St at e. Y ou h ave app al le d app al le d y hor eqti , lia. It i t to 110 purpose th:li you . hitch ' the Cathelic Committee : the 5 1)" .. " D y that Committee is actuated will break .out in unto s haae less temperate aud s forbeal erg.. Until L o i l rentuve Muse disqualificati ons by which y' jti ve ' ill lie linid, seek a p ert o f the community be- Div the level of general aocielY, nature will assert, tti.il will endeavour, to teeoeettet rights. The Irish 0-ii a°li c w,ll never be satisfied while lie is less , Ynir'elvee. That any attempt has been made ~^eep him so, ii the greatest error of moderri tritisit Gverements. To the Irish Catholic inr,,entlutl'iv recommend temperance and ' forbe,nr. e , --a • ,The time wol come, it must r owe. v. wia " ) , 0 " 4 will have biro sitting A ltil you and voteig w ill . u ." he is no fi ght ing lor yuu „ ,w y , bylvt;.„PttiEet,, advt., thee to the observntion made so„ n Vit Hun. Gentleman oePwle, that the denied -c "iaters to the Catholics could not be granted, t dist there was any such bar to giving their .. iff:lttlitiotial privilege s eo such a large pillion I te ll 't "4444'4 W*ls. Her itisisted, that in Lmon al 14 , 1 D the pene.p'es Sa hicli • raced the Pilsen:. thclai Nile en i he-Throne, the dee!arill case o„f. ivert)Ple and of the Parliateent, on turY, sub j e ct of d ll ° Putilic itnporetoce, 111USt be law. tee entered t , ( 'l sa hi story of the origin of tite Convention Law, ! Illilllllllteti re nt -it was rut Act adreeed by the .. l at i t h Pdill 'utrent ie 1 eea, tor the sole: purpose , o t t , e l " l i ng a Wiliiiira',!y (whi c h wa.l then steted t 1141 ' ° 4vr lltrow the Govermnent, and to dissolve ~ie cstieeteno between reef mid end this country. li Tie the question, he fuethat law coul d be : 1 :1 1 1 1e t , ;thl e to the present circumstances ?, It , was t ' the "'town, that iri conserprenee uf the exertiot i s b o c el' eaillulic Committees, extensive and vete _l i e ) til,444His had at different times bee,' made. e O il it s' tit his ',Majesty's i'rt'set't Ildisi‘tlisi". ( e' i 'le b i ts h L e t alh °tic Committee of Poulin had to te zeti;;„"cruer, in the existing state in atfaira, the is t f - ' l , l , ot the Irish Cet holies Should at that 111 . ° - i/is : n et . " Persevered in. Mans co!tsiderali"" In ' te n :. the Corntnittee to wish for aid in the dele.r ta t "t i tt° n of i hie question, and they naturally requit- Il e ' al aid from the different counties of Itelatid.-- en; Preeedetits• of former times jestilied then) in teen Proceilang ; for at set oral periods it was ill sh o r t 4d to attach little. importance to the tir aii b Y the Catholic Cuitunittee,. on th e petit tons . grout)d , %i l l . I )e Y d ld not proceed from the great body or, - '"cs ill Ireland. h. 1755, it h ad 'lee " Y a l ' stated of t gilt Hon, G, lutetium, that fr om ig counti es eilLkteleat there was no individual who signed the leniu!lie Petiliun, and that no Catholic Clergyman 0, I 'gned it ; and it was a,,e e e, how, therefore, (::: Petition Cotild he termed the Petition . of the ril l „ Ireland cf Ireland ? Willi this expetienee, lt• was th ew tha t the Catholic Committee should wish to ito`wthat they were suppot led by the greet body of rent, S o in Ireland - a ith one common eon s ._ ho t s ' ~9 (' ' tar front coneetsing that tee Cathelivs of f e ' l4 l were lieble to 'ally imputation, he was o tiauPlilioa that 11 • - ii uil the circutn-. ,_ , . . le . lt LLD th- . . . i_..., _,xls. ed, ••••• or irritatioteeo which .they lila u.x , t I .... .11 entitled them to the 'eumitlerice of 'GovertunieT te' r et of their Petitiotis had been rear ct'd' • th e ‘vtilniltster ee told them that tfie point for which they less, y e L'uld net be conceded to diem. Neverthe. privil'elnived as they th us wet e o f th e constiokional aveilea to wh ich they fia t felt they had a night in 111-tini ' . I,* i • the LAI pur tuta with their leslow-sueivo-s, • --.• • to th e 4 a course dictated by an allocate atten tion .teertkiPles of duty. Was nut such a body de nte ".got fat better treatment than that GoVern altlit should lake'up an absolute Act, mid search for rp:eatts of supplying to them its peoalties ? ee'lleral LOPTIA, gave the Honourable Gentlema n . tin°trioved the question now before the House, it,- Iviiie credit for the manner and moderation with th e lv t *ll, he had done it ; and he could have wished hid „,.." night Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Grattan) lute "16nel himself merely 'to that question, and opt: at made the observations he had respecting the ttrideSsed state of the inhabitants of Ireland, as it ne tt ed I ° mislead that part of the House not eon Iv4ied with the country. The fact was, that there of 0 4 1 % an iota of differenCe between time situation and ti t e great majority of tire inhabitants of Ireland ,nripteir Protestant brethren, or between that de-, tegi n „ ° c 't Persons and the lower class of people. in th em "``,. 'that they had the same laws to govern tee: bad tne Si nte advantages. ender those laws ; that u...7c_ , their forty 'shilling freehold", could sit virl_". 34riC11; and, in fact, there ryas no talifer'ence aQuaute.iver between the lower class of Pruttstanis tu•et deectiption of Cathelics; that %Lela! were ---e5e5ee,,,,,,,,_.„,_. about thirty-two .office* of State, %Welt the ea. , eated Cal holic was also competent to holds—dud if they took the same oaths the Protestants were ob liged to take, they might hold them ; that in fact, the oppression., of the was wit tin their own selves, within .the country ; lower he rents and add to the daily labooter% w,tges, and then they would uudersi Ans. wh.tt Cat , aaic ,_Emancipation really was ; :that in respect to the Con.cnttun Act, it aas au 'act arising from the necessities ot times, and not meant to be acted upon but in cases of necessity ; that the discontents of lrelatut could only be removed by her native Gentry, who might do mute good than could be hope ! from Ca tho.ic Emancipation; let them lower their rents and raise the wages of the labourer,,for the high rents alid bad wages were the evils most complained of; and that of Catholic Emancipation the in , jority ot the pe6ple knew no more than they did of whit he was uttering at that moment. The Duke of Rich mond,,he aided, had shewn every possible atten tion and kindness to the Catholics, but that it was his duty to interfere when the country was in danger, or supposed to be in danger, and not to wait until their plans were completed. limier this impression, he should hope the Citancellur of the Exchequer would at prtsent refuse any further in formation, but he trusted ere lung we simuid know the truth. Sir H. MONTGONIBUY said, that ever since he had had the honour ut a • seat in tle-..t Holoie, he had given all the support in his povi 7 c4 to the claims of the Catholics ; .and it was his ambition to continue to then" that support so long as those clai , ris were - brought forward in a peaceable and constitutional manlier. It was, however, ooe thing to support their just claims to a particiihhion in the blessings of the Constitution, and another to countenance pretensioos.noi :Omitted to, or sought tor by' any other cl:n of' his, ALjest'y's sobjetus—pretensions which, it athniited - by that House, shortly go to anoihdate the poWei of Parliament .Toere was no difference between the right of ciatots on the parr at the Catholics ot Ireland, 'and that of the English Catholics. see no - reason Why a ConkentiOn . of Eaglish•Catbuites Should not assemble in Great Brikvi; if such .assemblie. wets: allowed to nicet - elsewhese. Would ic, however, he tolerated by that House, that such Pariiatuent sliotihi be eraablislh:d How , •could the , " be satisfied that their discussiens would he eonfitt: - d stiojeds purely relative to this own pathe•stlar . ationi , Toe Catholitn, tilthoth not per-totted to sit in that House, had many friends % , :thiii those walls, rvlAny of their advocAcs wet e:t unit th •se wo.t tlistitigusned for talents and respectability. Thy were also suppruted• by a large pat t. of No• bleioen and Gc:totletneo, who heret.loi - e 11.0 as s isted them in. :hauling their lb , tit:ons. With 'tli , se ad vantages he It.ought it quite unnecessary to adopt any °the; mode for the attaintuent o t;: theouject of their • wishes. He 1110 1 30 W thC Irish Goverproent .were entitled to the•thanks of the House wild the CAtn try fur thet. conduct in the present Instance. ,11 . 11 the measures taken been longer deferred, all ellorts to avert the threatened evil would iu all probabi. Inv have proved Vint, anti a body of men might ave' who would have givco law to kingdom. Sir J. NV,VPOIIT observed, that the Hohourable Baronet who bad' just sat down li.itl said, the case was one which admitted 01 to tlrlay, mid loat the Government of Ireland was enthled to the thanks of the Loontry, tur tie measures which We beiNi punned. Ninw, it' it was a case which admitted of no dewy, how happeord it that nothing had been done till 'the i 2th of Februaty ? The letter has peen published ;tell - eland at about the ond.:le of Janoary, and much discussion had at that tittle taken place en the iitiestion, whether .or eut it would be be si to withdraw that loiter, aod submit the subject to the aggregate meeting. Thai letter bad been published its the Newspapers. How then could it be Un known to Irish Govertumni t Was it not known that Lard Castieross, son to Lid Ken,uare; .had come nom a .istant part ot the country to sit as a Member of that Committee ; With such intoraid tufty, how was it that the Government ot Leland, ing paused front the middle oh January 'to the 11th of Febreary, should at length issaie.thiell a gir cular order en its own responsibility ? How Will it that the information received by Government could be such that it ought nut to be commie. cated to the House, while it was oh such a iiiiture as to warrant so extraordinary a pioceeiling as that which` hart taken place) The Right Hueourable Gentleman had deprecated the tone in which Irish matters were discussed. On this subjed he would say as he had otten said before, that those e ho' were aggrieved had a right trecoMplain ; and when a dis position was manifested as at present, to oppress the peuple of !rased by reviving obsolete laws to de pr;ve them of their rights, it became those who cue sideresi thonisslves as the guardians of those rights to speak with %vaunt!) ; and they were the best friends to this country who earliest c-slice attew twit ut the House to their grievances, and pointed out the mismanagement ot Ministers. With re 'sprit to the Duke of Richmond, he was in some in stances entitled to much praise, yet had Ireland many insults to complain of. Was not the making of one Learned Gem. a itiglit Honourable Gentleman, immediately atter he had peen denounciug the whole body of the Catholics as a traitors, the passing of an Att to curtail the means of - educating their Clergy, the appointing an Hon. Gentleman to a high osten sible situation, who was particularly obnoxious to the Catholic body, &c. Were not these galling sults wantonly offered to the Catholics of Irelaed, ? As to what had been said of the system of toleration which had been aded upon, and the conciliatory spirit evinced*by Ministers, he would say, that it seeking to a& on such a principle, they must necessarily insult the Cathplics,. by placing in a high situation a person by whom they had been most insulted and traduced, - both in his writings and in Parlia ment, why then had this been dune it this evinced a spirit of-conciliation ? With reseed to what the Gallant General had said, that there was not an iota of difference bet ween the situation of the lower classes of the Catholics and their Protestant bre thren, he woolen ask it every catholic ought not to be able to hope as well as every . Protes , ant, htiw ever humbleins situation, that his son might pos . sibly one day become Lord High Chancellor ? Why •- ought net every lather be enabled to entertain suet) a hope, with as much appearance of reason as it might once nav'e hwti indidged by the father ot the present; end other Chancellors, who, very much to 'he'r credit, had risen from humble situations in life? Why showd a Catholic be denied the hope of raising himself as another Noble Lord had dune, who origieally had been but a Wool-comber's sett ? An Hen. Batonet had expressed him 'sell content •t hat the Committee should remain as it was. • That, however, was not the wish of Ministers; they de nounced it altogether as an unlawful, or, what, he should wish to know, was the meaning of that patt of the letter of Mr. Secretary Pole, where he stiles them, " An unlawful Assembly silting in Dublin, and calling themselves the Catholic Cemnaiitee ?" The Hon. !Loreto here detailed the hiqury of those proceedings which had . caused the circular letter to be issued, which, he contended, were caused merely . by a %vist to take the general sense of the Catholics on the question, whether or not it would be proper to present their petitions to Parliament in the pre sent Session. The iibjeCt was to colled from those m the' landed interest, whether or not it was proper the subject should be at present discussed ; andhe should have thought it would have been the interest of Government that it should be so taken into con sideration in surd, an assembly, rather than referred to an " aggregive meeting." The leialt Govern, ment had, however, thouget it best, in dader to pie serve the peace, to put an obsolete Ad in force— an At never before ;Idled upon—atrAel passed by a higotted and intoleraia Goveturreeit ; an Act piss ed in the time of Mr. Pitt, the result of spleen anti of disappointment. That Act, he e ould observe, had led to the abolishing of the Irish Porliament ; and he warned them, kat reviving ii, they com pleted the ruin of, their country. The CHANCELLon O 1 the Exciter:vett thought it couli not appear that any thing had been done which .•ast a primftfaie censure en the Government of Ireland, so as to render necessary a lull investi gation of the circumstances which had influenced that conduct at the time. He much regretted, that tadiettever such discuss;ons took place, a great deal of mater g d introduced, likely to keep tip that spirit of dissansfittion in Ireland, which had tnrir ornately shewn itself in the instance which had called for the measure resorted, to by the lush Go vernment. He lainented he ciinstant practice of Gentlemen to ,give glohmy representations of :s hat they called thiedegroded state of [relate!, He la mented that Gentlemen should studieuely latruer to keep that feeling of discontent alive, at a - time when no immeiiate good could possible -be hoped trout ii, while it might lead to land consequences. Ou every discussion relative to the `milers of Ireland they were constantly told to look at the distressed state of that country, and telieve'it by granting that for which they h id been pet it ioned, Catholic E:eau ciliation. That it was the duty of Gni/ern:nem to leek to • Leland with. the utmost solicitude, he reatfily admitted ; but • Catholic Emancipation; he contended, could not • afford Ireland the relict it required. always'bringing iu this subject, Gen tlemen • soniet imes forgot • their oe n arguments; and e hat was advanced in one instance ape eared tit vireince with. that which was Staled in another. He agreed with an Honourable Gentletteni, that the disturbances avh:ch had lately taken place haC nothiog to do with ; yet , though this was admitsed by Gentleman o t iposlie, 'wh e n thes e were spoken of; y were • c aisemtly spoken of as evils to be cured by Catholic Emancipation. The intereais of Ireland should always' he attentively consilered by the House: but it did nit tollm't. that the Hose saould take tee same view of the subject as those who were/sewed it to be in such a deplore- ble state. Others might differ friani those Gautle men on the Catholic question, se . t , hunt bei n g entity. of neglect or indeterence ; and he, for one, thought the Mettgllte rop.sed by an Hon. Gentleman would not be likely to benefit Ireland, 'unless it went to establish the Catholic on the. loins 01 the Protestant IL-legion. As to the Convention which had been about to be called, with ti,e view he took of the subject, had it been a Protestant weeting, the ante aneaStlreS would :hate been resorted to. It wris the offence committed the - law, which was in. tolerable, and which had called for the intertelence olGovernment. The question the House Would have to consiaer was, whether any prima facie case had been it out agaiine the Government of to call upon them now to institute any thing like a Palliamemary Inquiry on the subject. The AO alluded to, ielated to meetings called under pre teece of Petitioning•in bodies and conventions. The Hon. Gentleman' who hind begun the debate, had spoken at the Irish Government as having been " rummaging in the darkest parts of the Sta tute-Book, in order to find : the meting of turn ing' their vengeance against the Caiholics."— The Honourable Gentleman .had surely read the Statute. In the paper which had caused the Irish Government to eutorce it, there eas proof Onit it was nut considered as ohaulete by those who drew up, that paper. knowledge of the law was there expressed, and an intentioe of contormiog to it. H e (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) should have thought the force of -the arguments of Gentlemen opposite would Have failed in their endeavour, to prove that there existed in the letter evideaee of its being their intention to avoid olfeeding the law.— He expected it would hate been said, it was utigev serous to suspect them at intending to violate the law, when so much Cate appralett to be taken to avoid giving offence; but instead of this, the talYes had been turned on them, and the law spoken of ay obsOlete or unknown. New bow was it sunken of in the letter, to' near Gentlemen out in this tiald. tor' ut I In the letter the following visage appeared : " The Cummilee deslre to add,i hat IV lite law as it . now stands, maspeaies of, slelreation or tepresentas tion can be suffered' to take platx, nor can any per son, without a gross violation of the law, be a tepre seatative, or delegate, or ad under any nature as a si :e u s r presentative. or delegate. Eneaged as - ere in a struggle for legal and constitutiunal rights, it duty, as well as inclination, and decided detertnina . tion, not to violate the spirit, nor even the letter of the law. It is at ihe same time to be observed that the law to which we allude does not interfere with the subject's undoubted right to petition Par liament, nor of course with the only method by which so large a body as the Ca:holies of Ireland could.cou cur in tiirwatahng a petition." 'Phis was the stew they Wok ut tile ,law ;etiti after this, will) the view they took of the sub ject, it was impossible to say they were ignorant ut mite, law, or lowan( that tt was nut to be btuken. Ile would ask tiny man to l o ok at the l e tter, lard say 11, it wet° not intended to create it body of the description of those againat which th , Ati was intended to guard, %%hilt a en deavoured to evade the letter of the law?, The tol.. lowing passage might make this more evident : " The Comtnittet being entrusted with the petition of the . .Catholic Body, feel it' incumbent on them to state 0 YOU, their canvidion of ti►e imperative necessity of an increase of their number•, so that there may be Managers of the , petition conneeled with every part of Ireland. -It is highly desirable tha - the Come mince should become the depository of thecollectiVe wisdom of the Catholic Body that a should he able to ascertain, in older to obey, the w'ishes, and clearly understand the wantsmil dick Catholic felkw subjet,ts.7—Now iw steoukt be glad w kn ,, w if a re• presentative body coal be better described than in he words of, that paragraph ? But the Right Hon. Baronet had said, they • were to be called merely •to Consider whether or not the petition shOuld.be dis cussed. Now, if that were the sole object they had in - view, why was it necessary r•) mike a-cepbsi , ory of the eolkEtive wisdom of tar Cath ,, lie Body?"-- Why were the persons to be named a 3 " Mangers,“ to be such " whose avocatiOi►S require, or leisure permits their perrnaneni or cccasioual . cesidekice in Dublin ?" It they were to inert, with but one object in view, in one solitary instance, would it have been so necessary that its Mrmbors should be able.to re side in aiblin ? That woulil not love been. neces. Nary, had they not had other vicws, •which calms within the purvie v of the St,iiute. He now wisatd then) to see how this Convention was to be consti., lute‘i, in order to ascertain, if a doubt could be twit, as to thch being weds:4y such as it was the objtfet of the Act to suppress. They had proecede;.l to. ,:•nforc& their former propositio:r in the !allowing terms This is the more remisite.at:t4e pteFent . moment, whet) there Ippear3 to he so near a pros» Acct of complete ; and the Committee arse &my:need that, II eii• etnaneip,,tion ctm 110 W ,be. relartled only by criminal apathy or neglect amongst the-Cotholics thetubelvei 'lneybeg leA , e to suggest to you the propriety c,t appointingren Manager* of petttion itt your county, sic now Once so+ vivors of the persons who were Delegates in rim year 1793 : these persoei are already Constituent M tubers of the Committee, tied as such, Manage's of the petition ; so that you have to ,appoint only , seven adaitional Managers..--Now, the Coital:1)11;m, at 1793 wilS precisely of the d.scriptioa which:the: • Act was intended. to put down. From the rdention made of those who reuiaiued of the Delegates it was ebvious that it was the object of the Committee to hive their numb, rSti:led up with persais of lar principles and having similar objeas ,in view. This then formed rx it-31y the' Case witielt the act was 'weeded to meet. The question before the was, had the act been miscoostrued, and if • . it had not, a Nether nbt it was expedient to curly it into effect in the present instance ? lie thought he had proved the legality tit the Mt, and-proved that ibe•Catbolic Committee knew it to be a legal measure. But it was said, if it was necessary to en- . force it at all, :1A by hid it not been enforced at an earlier period If the Committee were uriginaly an as.ierribly, it ought tint to have permitted ; anJ if nut, after having been - allowed to sit so long, it ought not now to be disturbed. This depenec.t cir,mns;faticcs. qimtilitnl was nut, it tbe deie- •,• gateS Of 1793, and 18iiG, trolls the , Dublin, were to be considered as funnies a legal ;assembly ; but whether or not, when d e Catiio;ie etnhatitiee assUmed the ,authority ui I.,A.llitg their writs (is it had been.,well 'explessed J,y• an G.-nt. in the course of• deb lie), 10 4 - .0142;3 . I.oget her 320 ad lit tonal representatives, I,olcWlg thi. langwge, the que•Awin was, whether, udder sues eirestiostanct iii it asaembly, which, though illegel (if they five it se), had been winked at, and propel ly ed at, should not be taken some melee °, wlien they proceeded to act in a manner different to at hat-they acted in .before, and when their, proceedings %tee ttkely to lead w the most mischievous Conseqssetues When the Hon.. Gentleman said care (mot to vcs , taken not to damp the high spit it of tta: Irish, t e,tt perceived that hewas not unacquainted with. the mimic of the discussions which :al token p:ace.— They were highly ifillatumatory, and had b. en cir cula-ed all over the country Stith great activity.. If the information he had on the subjesa front the Irish Government was correct, and that it was be bid no doubt, not only were the steps taken authorised by the Act, but, bad they not•been taken, the. Admi nistration would have failed in its duty. Now, as to the lenity which it was said should bedisplayed in putting this asSehltly down, it might perhaps be sa tisfactory for Gentleman to know, that it was likely in every respect to be so on the part of his Grace the Duke of Richmond ;. and that such was pre• cisely the effect of the instructions sent out to him by the English Govettiment... The circornstance was much lamented by all, who were' its office, and most particularly so by the Illustrious Per sonages at the head of the nation. With such feel ings, Ministers had stilted to the Irish Goserament. " that it WAS their confident hope - and expectation -that every degree of mildness mai lenity Would be &hewn in putting the law in force, conatsteot with the public security." The legality of the proveed. log, lie trusted, wad established to, the s.sitstit , A.ii of eves)? one, en the docutreants now before the House. To give snore at prtsent, would be' .to shake the atathority of the Government of (Ireland in a mantier which would be productive of chewy-M.- est inconveniences. The, i-lon. iientietnao bad stated, that the Irish Governmeot had made (.tat a bad case, and that he wished for wore infatuation that a' oetier might be furniahed. In answer to tine ;questions hielt had been asked, Ministers had' 'answered that they had two documents which they :thought would be sufficient to establish the •legality 'of what had been :done; but he conceived _that it could be thooght .14 no one ',.that in bring log forward these, they brought 'forth the whole , defence of the Irish Government. The procitic ;tion of another dispatch could not alone do justice to the motives which had induonced.their conduct. What bad been produced, proved it tone a cont.— plete legal act, and he thought there was a 'strong presumption that it was a 4itie,expedient, tempo.• eta, rod l e nient tnea,ure. Ttntt which , had been most ihnialor only 1 1 i t s t i l ,r sti f awed whit muse rigour and interfered before. lie e' y, 11 aused tl 1 but ste protested n t ormatron, it would fee se. n that necessity' step to betaken. con H r el' g tr e7 t thato ed t~e;ressitylu, man ner, that it was not intended to impair thi nwht II 1 A '1