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RAILWAY COMMITTEES, HOUSE OF CO MM ROUP S. YESTERDAY.) G V. The Committee met this morning at twelve o'clock, con sisting of Lord Harry Vane, chairman; Mr. Price, Mr. Gore, Hon. Mr. Sutton, and Sir E. Filmer. WINDSOR. Mr. TALIOT. Q.C., opened the merits of this Bill, which is for a line of railway from the Great Western station at Slough down to George-street, in the town of Windsor and called Captain Berkeley, of the Life Guards—He said he lived on his estate in the neighbourhood of the town of Windsor, and was - a magistrate of the county of Berks. He had heard frequent and very general complaints made in Windsor of the incovenience of transit to London. Frequent applica tions had been made to the Great Western for a branch, but Mr. Russell and others invariably said they would not pro ject a branch without the consent of the Crown. He had been connected with the scheme of last year, projected by Mr. Chadwick, Mr. Redborough, and others. That scheme was favourably considered by the Great Western ' - but it was lost in Committee. It was almost the same with the scheme of the present year, which he thought would be a great accommodation to Windsor and the neighbourhood. Other evidence of a similar character was called. The Committee adjourned till to-morrow. GROUP VI. SALISBURY AND YEOVIL, AND EXETER, YEOVIL, AND DORCHESTER. (Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.) Mr. Locke, C.E., then proceeded to state the course of the proposed lines. They would start from Salisbury, at the termination of the line sanctioned by Parliament last year at Fisherton. The terminus would be at Queen-street, in the city of Exeter. The total length of the line from Salisbury to Exeter would be 87 3 / 4 , the distance of Salisbury from London would be 81% miles, making the total distance from Exeter to London 169 miles. The pre- " sent distance by the Great Western Railway was 193 miles, making a saving in favour of the South-Western lines of 24 miles. There were no features presenting any engineering difficulties, with the exception of a tunnel at Honiton of about 1,800 yards in length. The total cost of the line, in cludinglthe branches between Salisbury and Exeter, would be 2,800,0001. Several alterations had been made in the present line for the purpose of meeting the objections urged against the measure by Lord Beaumont, the chairman of the .Committee in the House of Lords last session. The South- Western Company had undertaken to lease the Exeter, Yeovil, and Dorchester Railway at 5i per cent. The rail ways had received their origin in the strongly expressed de sire of the people of the district through which the line passed, and he had every reason to believe that the con- tin - nation of the line would prove advantageous to the coun try, and remunerative to the shareholders. The cross-examination of the witness was concluded by Mr. Sergeant lit NGLAKE on the part of the Bristol and Exeter Railway, and Mr. Frampton, a landowner, who was opposing both the schemes of the South-Western and the Great Western. The Committee then rose, and adjourned till twelve to morrow. GROUP XX. BIRMINGHAM AND ONTOILD JUNCTION (DEVIATION LINE). (Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.) Mr. WHATELY, then replied on behalf of the Birmingham and Oxford Company, aster which, r. MACAULAY addressed the Committee in reply, on be halfM of the London and North -Western Company. The cases for the two schemes then closed, and the Com mittee, without deciding upon either case, then passed to the 3311t11111N GRAM AND OXFORD JUNCTION (WARWICX AND STRATFORD LINE). Mr. WHATELY opened the case for the promoters. The 143 n gth of the line, he said, was only nine miles. A number of witnesses from the locality of the line were ex amined to prove its importance. The Committee then adjourned. GROUP XXI. This Committee met again at the usual hoar this morn ing; Sir James Graham in the chair. EIRMINGHAM, WOLVERHAMPTON, AND STOUR VALLET.—(No. IX.) The evidence in this case having been closed, Mr. flops occupied the rest of the day in summing up the case for the promoters. The Committee adjourned shortly after four o'clock till twelve to-morrow. GROUP XXII. NEWPORT, HEREFORD, AND ABERGA. VENNY (EXTENSION TO marl , VALE). (Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.) Mr. Damara, having addressed the Committee in opposi. tion to the Bill, The Committee adjourned. GROUP XXIII. The Comrettee mat this morning at twelve; Mr. Mackin non in the chair. SWANSEA VALLEY. Evidmce for the promoters of the Bill was continued this mottling. Mr. J ones , th e eng i neer o f t h e li ne , w as examined. The estimated cost of this proposed extension, as connected with the South Wales line, was 220,0004 It would be laid down on the broad gau ge , an d o ff ere d a f rontage w h ar f f or shipping at the port of Swansea of 220 feet in extent. Mr. JAMES, for the Duke of Beaufort and Mr. Besson, op posing 'landowners, called witnesses to give evidence of the unprutlt able character of the proposed scheme. The Committee then adjourned till to-morrow. GROUP XXV. 2VILINCIIESTER AND LINCOLN UNION. The Committee to which this line is referred met at twelve o'clock, in Room N 0.14. Evidence as to traffic was gone into, which occupied the whole of the day. The Committee adjourned at four c • clock tiM 1 twelve to morrow. GROUP XXXI. us.NCHZSTE22, SHEFFILLD, AND LIN- C 3LNSEcinz (JITNC TIC) N WITH MIDLAND nz.nr.. - tvAlr), &C. (Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.) Mr. Sergeant WRANGHA3I opened the case for the pro moters. It would be necessary for him to say something about the railways in that district, together with the nature of the district itself. On the map they (the Committee) had a fall view of the country from Liverpool to the port of Hull. That district was traversed by the line of the Manchester and Leeds Railway Company. That line of railway passed northward from Manchester, and then in an eastern direc tion by Wakefield, where it joined the Midland Railway for a very short distance. Now that was a most circuitous route, and the existing line joined the Midland Railway, but for a very short distance, by Rotherham. The line proceeded thence in a very irregular direction till it joined the Hull and Selby Railway, and so on till it reached Hull. Such was the existing route from Manchester to Hull. There certainly was the Huddersfield Railway, but it was not suited to the wants of the district. He would not trouble the Committee with any further details on this part of the subject. There was another communication, which was in the hands of the Manchester and Leeds Company, so that there was no competition. The line of the company which he represented proposed to proceed to Pennistone, thence south ward to Sheffield, where it joined the Midland Railway, the great object being that there should be a second field for the great traffic between Hull and Manchester, and not, as at present, the whole being absorbed by the existing com pany. Another main object of the present Bill was to afford efficient accommodation to the town of Barnsley, - which was at present isolated with respect to railway accom modation. An Act that had been passed last year did not give that accommodation. Barnsley required a communica tion. east and west, and as direct as possible with Manchester. In order to get on the line at present it was necessary to go a distance of eight miles through a rugged country. The distance of Barnsley from Manchester at present was about thirty odd miles, and the inhabitants of the town, between 13,000 and 14,000, were compelled to go twenty miles. The coal of Silston and Barnsley, which this line traversed, was of the best quality for general purposes, and the circumstances of the district were most favourable for its beir g supplied to the inhabitants, who, before railway cow_ raunicaticn, used to derive their supply from the pits in the neighbourhood of Barnsley. So strong had the want of railway accommodation been felt in that neighbourhood that :n 1842, 1843, 1844, and 1845, Bills having such an object as that of the present Bill were brought before Parlia ment, which unfortunately failed in the passage through the standing orders, or at some other stage, owing to some want of care or other such cause. The present line would give admission to 300,000,000 tons of coal to places where there was a great want of such an abundant supply. The distance from Manchester to Hull at present was 99 miles, which this line would diminish considerably. There were several netitions in favour of this Bill signed by no less than 5,647 respectable persons, who employed no less than 13,722 persons. Under these circumstances, which would be proved by witnesses, he trusted the Committee would be of opinion that the present Bill was entitled by its merits to succeed. Mr. Charles Tee and Mr. Thomas Taylor, linen manu facturers of Barnsley, gave evidence in favour of the line. The Committee adjourned at four o'clock. GROUP XXXIII. LEEDS, DEWSBURY, AND MANCHESTER (EXTENSION TO WAKEFIELD, (Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.) Mr. Rastrick and Mr. Vignoles, engineers, as well as seve ral other witnesses, were examined on behalf of the Bill, After which the Committee adjourned till to-morrow at o'clock. twelve GROUP )(XXIX. The Committee to whom the lines in this group was re ferred met this morning for the first time. The group con sists Pt the following lines: — Hartlepool and Stockton Junction Railway. Wear Valley Railway, Bishop Auckland, and Weardale Railway, &c., Amalgamation. Clarence Railway, and Leeds and Thirsk Railway Amalga mation. Leeds and Thirsk Railway (Leeds, Durham, and Newcastle Extension. &c.) Leeds and Thirsk Railway (Eaglescliffe and Stillington Ex tension, &c.) York and Newcastle Railway (Pelaw Tyne Docks, &c.) Railway Branches, York and Newcastle (Wearmouth Dock Enlarge ment). y G=ain Line Improvement, &c.) York and Newcastle Railway (Hartlepool Dock and Railwa York and Newcastle Railway (u &c. Purchase). arrangements, the York and Railway, After the usual preliminary N ewca stle Railway (Pelaw Tyne Docks the York and gewcastle Railway (Wearrnoual, te.), and largernent), and the Leeds and Thirsk Railway (Eagr E ifr n : and Stillington Extension, &c.), were referred to Mr. Greene.llt was then arranged that the first railway to be taen should be the $43.2T LZPOOL L AND STOCEON 317NCTX07st. Mr. Rosh:, on behaof the promoters T of the above scheme, then opened the case, and said that the extent of the line was only one mile and three-quarters, and the cost of construction only 30,0001. The Learned Counsel proceeded to show that this line was absolutely necessary to make up the link that Waft wanting to supply the district with railway accom modation, and that it would confer the greatest advantages to till - % •,r , Ar c tsgol and the country generally. E , . •fi e ~ 11:6 show the great advantage of the lin ! - -f.-- i iWilr ,;•• ~ 1 d confer on the harbour of Har tlepool. - !. • an --,.• ~ ,-, .. company, and another gentle sum, juisti lt . -- en . V 7 to this effect, , m:m 2 . 00 — ,2 lin to-morrow at twelve. -.•• • ..- • , .. 1 • ' , 4.- .: XLI. Ike c.) , ;m tilfsa 410 tesl - giga_gt. in the usital h eir . pia:. -,,,,-;-...., itftittrlV- - - .- 0, , I 6 . i DUBLIN AND DROGHEDA (EXTENSION TO BELLS FROM NAVAN). Mr. Patrick Ternan, merehant, and secretary to the Steam Packet Company at Drogheda, examined—Gave evidence of the extent of the exports and imports of the town of Drogheda, of the large quantities of fat cattle and pigs which came down from the rich feeding counties of Meath, Long ford, and neighbouring counties to Drogheda, and shipped to Liverpool. Some of the finest fat cattle in the world are brought from those districts for th e English market. He deposed also to the great quantity of grain shipped at that port from the neighbourhood of 'liens, and to the great im ports of coals, &c., &c., from England. Cross-examined by Mr. O'MALLIY—Did not know that the scheme of the viaduct had been abandoned. There were twenty-five cabin passengers on an average from Drogheda to Liverpool every week. Further evidence having been adduced to the same effect The Committee adjourned till twelve o'clock to-morrow. GROUP XLII. WATERFORD, WEXFORD, AND WXCIX-. LOW (ENNISCOETHY BRANCH). The Committee met this morning at twelve o'clock; Mr Tollemache in the chair. Mr. Brunel was called to give evidence generally as to the engineering qualities of the proposed line, and from his evi dence it appears that there are no difficulties of a formidable character. GROUP XLVIII. CALEDONIAN, GLASGOW, GARNEIRK, and COATBRIDGE (BRANCH TO GLASGOW STATION). (Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.) Mr. Fortsrm shortly replied on behalf of the Forth and Clyde Canal Company. Mr. ROBERTSON, of the Scotch bar, then replied for the promoters of the Bill. He commenced by pointing out the great importance of a station in Glasgow such as the one proposed, in a most central situation, and connected as it would be through the Garnkirk line with the Cale donian and Clydesdale Junction lines to the south and south-west, the Scottish Central to the north, and the Dumbartonshire junction to the west. The traffic would be very great, and now that the Bill for the proposal of the Dunlop-street station was withdrawn, it was so much more important that this station should be allowed. These were most important considerations for the Committee, against which they had to put the allegation of the opponents of the danger of constructing the works. The Learned Gentleman then went through the evidence for the line, as compared with that for the opposition, and submitted that no case had been made out against the Bill, and that therefore the preamble ought to be declared as proved. The CHAIRMAN said, that as one of the members of the Committee was absent they would adjourn their decision on the Bill till to-morrow. The Committee then adjourned till to-morrow at 12. GROUP XLIX. This Committee met to-day, for the first time, in Room D of the new Houses of Parliament. Members present—Mr. Cripps, chairman ; Mr. Muntz, Sir John Trollope, Mr. Broad wood, and Viscount Newport. The following Bills have been referred to this Committee : Glasgow, Dumfries and Carlisle, and Glasgow, Paisley, Kil marnock and Ayr (No. 4). Glasgow, Barrhead, and Neilston, and Glasgow Southern Terminal Railways Amalgamation. Caledonian (Glasgow, Paisley, and Greenock Amalgamation). Caledonian (Glasgow, Barrhead, and Neilston, and Glasgow Southern Terminal Railway Junction). Caledonian (Wishaw and Coltness Purchase). Edinburgh and Glasgow (Admendments, Purchases, &c.) Edinburgh and Glasgow (Monkland and Kirkintilloch, &c. Amalgamation). The usual preliminaries having been gone through, the GLASGO W, Dump=mg, AND CARLISLE AND GLASGOW, PAISLEY, AND AYR (NO. XV). was proceeded with. Mr. BABSATYNE, agent for the Bill, opened the merits of the proposed line. Ile stated that the Bill was promoted by the Nithsdale and the Glasgow. Paisley, Kilmarnock, and Ayr Companies, according to a clause in their Act of last year"—lthe object of which: was, first, to change the date of the amalgamation of the two companies to the date of the passing of the present Bill ; that so there might be a united management , consisting o the directors of both companies, superintending the working of the line ; second, to alter.the scale of profits, which at present were at the rate of 2 per cent. less to the Dumfries share holders than to the Ayr shareholders, and to put all on an equality, by an alteration of the proposed capital, and a re issue of a certain number of shares to the shareholders of the amalgamated company; and third, to change the name of the amalgamated company. Mr. Bannatyne denied that the Greenock Company, appearing by Sergeant Mur phy, had any:locus standi, inasmuch as the Bill did not pro pose to affect the only portion of the line in which the Greenock and the Ayr Companies had a:conjoint interest, viz., the portion to Paisley. Sergeant MURPHY said the Ayr Company proposed amal gamating with the Nithsdale Company; the Greenock Com pany with the Caledonian Company; the Nithsdale and the Caledonian were competing Companies for the traffic of the country. The Ayr Company proposed giving up their in terest in the seven miles of the line to Paisley to the Niths dale Company, which was not opposed by the Greenock Company; only this Company proposed doing the like to the Caledonian Company. Mr. Murphy claimed to be heard in the Committee on the ground of the clauses of the proposed Bill. The Committee decided that Mr. Sergeant Murphy be allowed to appear for the Greenock Company, and that the two amalgamation schemes should be considered together. Mr. Leadbetter was first called and examined by Mr. AIiDREWS.-}IIS evidence went to prove the opening statement of Mr. Bannatyne, as to the terms on which the amalgama tion had taken place and the change now proposed. An amalgamation had takeu place by the Bill of last year, but it was now found neeessary to alter the terms. Those terms had been submitted to the directors, and meetings of both companies, and approved of by all parties as fair and equit able. Mr. James M'Coll, the Chairman of the Ayrshire Com pany, corroborated the evidence of Mr. Leadbetter as to the completion of the argreetnent between the two companies, and their submission to meetings specially called fur the purpose. Mr. Sergeant MURPHY then opened the case for the CALEDONIAN (GLASGOW, PAISLEY, AND GnEENOCIC AMALGAMATION). The LEARNED GENTLEMAN explained the origin of the Caledonian line, which had been constructed on the recom mendation of the Government Commissioners. The Caledonian line started from Carlisle in the south, and after proceeding to Carnwath, it forked out to edinburgh on the one side, and on the other by the Clydesdale Junction to Glasgow. By the Monklarilland Kirkintulloch, and Garnkirk lines, a con nexion was made with the Scottish Central line and the north side of Glasgow. On the smith side of the line at Glasgow a junction was formed with the Greenock line by means of the Pollock and Govan line. Thus the Caledonion scheme would Connect in the most efficient manner the most important districts in Scotland. Now, it was proposed to open up by the present Bill a direct communication between the extensive mineral fields of Lanarkshire and the port of Greenock, the most important harbour in Scotland. As an instance of the vast importance of the Lanarkshire mineral fields, he might instance that in one year alone the Monkland coal-field yielded 200,000 tons of iron, requiring a consumption of 600,000 tons of coal. Such was the im mense traffic of the district that at one time the Monkland Canal shares were as high as 3,0001. each. The Learned Gentleman then alluded to the importance of Greenock as a port and town, and that it consumed yearly about 220,000 tons of coal. The increased advantages which the present Bill would confer was a more economical working of the line and management; and by bringing coal from the tnineral fields direct to the port of Greenock it would also enable the Greenock line to compete more successfully with the steamers on the Clyde. The Learned Gentleman having amplified on these points, sat down. The Committee then adjourned till to-morrow, at twelve o'clock. GROUP L. GLASGOW, ItAXIMEAD, AND NEMSTON MULANCIE. (Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.) On meeting again, Counsel said the two companies had mutually agreed to continue as one scheme against the Hurlet Company, and, in order to facilitate the reception of evidence, they had arranged to take the line as laid down by the Barrhead Company south of Dykebar, and the line north of that to Paisley as laid down by the Greenock Company. Mr. Holmes, manufacturer in Paisley, Mr. Peacock, coal master, and Mr. Menzies gave evidence of the advantage arising to Paisley from the proposed line, which would open up the Lanark coal to the east, and effect a ready transit of goods to Glasgow and other places. Sir B. H4LL•, before the Committee adjourned, strenu ously advised both parties to come to an understanding, and end the remaining opposition between the Horlet Com pany and the amalgamated company. The Committee then adjourned until Thursday. GROUP LI. CALEDONIAN RAILWAY AND BRANCHES. (Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.) The formal proofs were then put in. The Caledonian estimates were— The Canobie branch ...... £106,8'4 9 2 The Langholm branch 16,505 19 0 The connecting branches near Longtown 15,714 7 6 8,428 10 0 7,143 0 0 Total £268,100 2 0 Being for a distance of 18 miles, 6 furlongs, and WA chains. The branch from Arckdyke to Longtown £ 51,169 12 11 Annan branch 111,539 7 .6 Kelhead branch 22,020 17 6 Showing for the last branches a total 0f..... £133,560 5 0 The Dalmakedder branch . ..... 132,758 11 1 Or a total for these of £585,588 11 0 The Longtown and Milton Stations, &c Grand total 0f...... .. ... £850,000 0 0 This would give between 15,0001. and 16,0001. as the cost per mile. Cross-examined by Mr. BtrxxE—Taking the Brampton Branch throughout he did net think there was any great difference in point of gradient. The "step" at Brampton was six chains, which would be of advantage in starting the train. He could not surmount a gradient of one in sixty three with the same ease as one in seventy-five, all other things being equal. The branch contemplated by the Nithsdale Company effected a junction with the Caledonian, and would meet no stoppage in the through traffic with Ireland and the west of Scotland. The Dumfries or Nithsdale Company would require only to construct the same amount of railway as the Caledonian, in order to ac as_o_ wou l d b t h e ac commodate Canobie, Longtown, and Brampton. Longtown e eq c u a a i l ed ly o a n c i c a rm l o i d e at e e x d p b o y ot t e h d e Dumfries o C c om an p o a h n i y e had communiiiicap.,lrsefwu i l th fo t r he co ro ke u i k n e g. c ill would be of The Buo o i C e o a Caledonian oni uponsn the subject. prefer the North (: race, for some reason or other, seemed to projected by the Caledoniansschemes. The Brampton branch, pets with the branch w Company, was intended to coin- He had no hesitation in cured by the Nithsdale Company. Hey the Cameaux—licaultng it a defensive measure. branch, he should never l':a°vtelle; company had laid out the to do so. The only stipulation the:onrnended his company Lancaster and Carlisle was to secure Caledonian had with the mile. The Caledonian Company had e qual rates, mile Per present before the Commons for the unopposed Bill at purpose of accommo dating the ; mineral traffic of th e districts ar ou nd Lesmahaew, Lanark, and Hamilton, by givingthe a communication with Glasgow. He could not say that this would preclude all opposition in that country. .The Clyd e ,. dale Junction was purchased by the Caledoniau Company. In fact, it formed part of their original scheme, although from difficulties in the money market it had been completed by another company. The Garnkirk Railway was also u p r - chased by the Caledonian. These railways were necessary for the development of the traffic, and the Caledonian Rail way guaranteed the Clydesdale 6 per cent. and the Garnkirk, what they had been already dividing. He did not know whether that was 8 per cent. However profitable these schemes might be to the holders in these companies, he did not know that they were so profitable to the Caledonian. He did not know that the Caledonian were trying to get possessed of tho Wilsontown and Morningside Railway. The CHainaLlN said that he did not see how this course of examination bore upon the subject before the Committee. Mr. BußKE—Only in so far as it showed that this com pany, which cried out "poverty," was:in fact trying to pos sess itself of the whole country. Examination continued—He believed there was an agree ment entered into with the Wishaw 'and Celtness and the Barrhead Railway. The latter might be made a corn• peting line with the Glasgow and Ayr, but he understood that the negotiations necessary for the comple tion of this system were broken off. The Caledonian had become possessed of the Glasgow and Greenock and the Polioc and Govan Railways. The precise object, as he un derstood, which the Caledonian had in view in asking for the branch from Springfield to Annan, was to prevent com petition, which could lead to no good, to disembarrass their Carlisle station, and to receive a fair portion of the profits on what was properly a portion of their own line. He thought that the Dumfries Company might enter themselves as a competing line with the Caledonian by giving an in creased speed of perhaps five miles an hour, which would, in the whole distance from Glasgow to Car lisle, counterbalance the advantage which the Caledo nian Company held of the shorter line (24 miles). He did not think this increased speed would be of advantage to the public. Unless some protection were afforded to the Caledo nian, he thought the Dumfries Company (still preserving this difference of 24 miles) could afford a communication from Glasgow' to London by Thirsk and York, of equal dis tance with the Caledonian, the Lancaster and Carlisle, and the London and North-Western, to and from the same points. The London and North-Western, the Lancaster and the Carlisle, and the Caledonian, were on amicable terms, and he believed that there was some arrangement concluded for leasing the Scottish Central and the Dundee and Perth Railways. The London and North-Western Rail way would be interested so far that they could then ran their carriages, without any necessity for changing, from London to Forfar in Scotland. He understood that the London and North-Western guaranteed the Scottish Central 7 per cent., provided the local traffic would repay that; and, therefore, they were interested in preserving the traffic in the channel which would best remunerate them. By Mr. PATON, on the part of the North British Com pany—Mr. Locke in laving out the scheme proposed to go round by Annan, instead of proceeding directly from Carlisle to Lockerby, as was afterwards done in conformity with the wishes of the Commissioners. At that time it was not pro posed to go to Edinburgh. He did not know that a por tion of the , North British was granted before the Caledo nian came forward. In 1845 there came before Parliament a scheme for extending the North British from Edinburgh to Carlisle by Hawick, and the Caledonian in the same year brought forward their schemes in opposition. He knew that there was no railway communication at present existing be tween Hawick and Carlisle, but he did not therefore propose that a person who desired to reach Carlisle should travel back to Edinburgh, there take the Caledonian line and so proceed to Carlisle, or that he should take the East Coast from Edinburgh to Newcastle, and so to Carlisle. What he did propose was that the traveller should take the coach over the barren district between Ilawich and Langholm (which would support no other communication), and there take the Caledonian branch to Carlisle. Mr. AUSTIN, for the Duke of Buccleuch, was proceeding to question the witness, when The CHAIRMAN intimated that the Committee had deter mined at the outset to allow no cross-examination by a Counsel who had not been present at the examination in chief Mr. LMDELL in consequence asked the questions. The line between Canobie and Langholm proceeded through the Valley of the Esk, and included within its limits of deviation Johnnie Armstrong's tower of Gilnockie. The Caledonian Company had no design of any kind upon Johnnie Arm strong's tower.—(Laughter.) The valley in question was pre-eminent for its romantic beauty. He did not know that the Duke opposed them because he thought that they de stroyed the beauty of the valley. He did not know that the North British had changed the course of their line in defe rence to the opinion of his Grace, but it might be, as they certainly had not chosen the best line. Re-examined by Mr. Sergeant WRANGHAM. Mr. TOLLEMACHE thought the same objection which had been urged against Mr. Austin applied equally to Mr. Ser geant Wrangham. He was not present during the exami nation in chief. The Learned Sergeant was, however, permitted to pro ceed, The CHAIRMAN intimating at the same time that in con sequence of the absence of leading counsel on both sides, the time of the Committee had been, in a great measure, thrown away. Mr. Errington's evidence might, he thought, have been compressed into the first ten minutes. The further evidence was merely confirmatory of the examination in chief. _ The Committee then adjourned till to-morrow. COMMITTEE on PRIVATE BILLS, LIVERPOOL WATERWORKS. The Committee met this morning', Sir J. Johnstone in the &ask, when Mr. Hawkesley's examination was resumed on the general principles of hydraulics, and the way in which they were likely to operate in the supply of Liverpool with water from the natural,reservoirs of the town in the upland districts. LAW INTELLIGENCE. ROLL S COURT, May 4. ANDREWS r. BOUSFIELD. His LORDSEUP decided against the defendant, and decreed that the fund in court should be carried over to the credit of the plaintiffs, all parties paying their own costs. COURT OF QUEEN'S BENCH, May 4. (Sittings in Banco.) After a few unimportant motions had been disposed of, the Court took up the new trial paper. BAIL COURT, May 4. THE QUEEN V. WAKLEY, M.P.-CRIMINAL INFORMATION. THE LATE MILITARY FLOGGING AT HOUNSLOW. Mr. WARREN applied fur a criminal information against Mr. Waklev. M.P., coroner for Middlesex, for various libels uttered by him at public meetings, especially at the Craven Arms, reflecting on the professional and moral character of Dr. Warren, with reference to his conduct and evidence at the recent inquest at Hounslow, held on the body of private White, of the 7th Hussars. The various libels were then read, with which the public are already so familiar, that we deem it unncessary to repeat them. Mr. Justice COLERIDGE refused the application. COURT OF EXCHEQUER, May 4. (Sittings in Banco.) JONES V. JONES. In this case the rule w•as made absolute, to set aside the verdict entered for the defendant, as being a perverse verdict. COURT OF COMMON PLEAS, May 4. (Sittings in Bar.co.) EDWOOD V. WARD. Mr. SDAMONS applied to the Court to postpone the hearing of the above cause until an action in the Queen's Bench, of Hooper v. Lamb, had been decided. The action in respect of which he now moved was against the provisional com mitteemen of a line of railway, for work and labour done by an engineer. It appeared that the case of Hooper against Lamb was one similar in its nature to the present, and therefore it was urged that it was desirable to await the decision in that case. The COURT allowed the case to stand over until the sum mer assizes. WRIGHT V. TURTON. In this case a distringas was applied for against the de fendant. The affidavit upon which the motion was made stated that it was found impossible to serve the person of the defendant with the summons of the Court, and that on various applications at the residence, and also at his place of business in the City, the bailiff was unable to serve the defendant with the summons, and that on two occa sions when he went to his country residence he was an swered from the window by his son. The bailiff then pushed a copy of the writ under the door.—Motion granted. No other case possessing any public interest occurred dur -1 ing the day. MARKET INTELLIGENCE. (From the London New Price Current of May 4.) Suoa.s.—To-day there was a brisker demand for all kinds of Raw Sugar for home consumption, and exporters were more inclined to operate, but at present no a d vance i n the value can be quoted. irest India Muscovado Sugar of all kinds was in excellent request, both for the scale and pan, the quantity disposed of amounting to 700 hhds and tierces, and the rates paid were equal to those of Friday for all qualities. The market for Raw Sugar closes under a more favourable aspect. REFINED.-To - day there was but little desire evinced by the home trade to purchase Refined goods of any kind. The quantity on offer is much larger than of late. Bonded crushed Sugar is little wanted. There is a fair quantity on offer. EAST INDIA.—This afternoon there was more desire evinced to operate in Bengal Sugar, and privately several parcels were sold at fall rates; but 650 bags white Benares at auction were taken in above the value. Manturtus.—This afternoon there was a brisker demand for Mauritius Sugar of all kinds, and 3,855 bags, 442 casks, 329 trc.s at auction were sold at former rates, excepting the grainy sorts, which went a little cheaper. FoaEIGN.—To-day a fair quantity of Foreign Sugar was purchased by exporters and the home trade, the rates paid privately were equal to those of last week for all kinds. COFFEE.—Today few purchases were made in any kinds of Coffee by exporters or the home trade. None was offered at public sale, but 100 casks of Jamaica of the new crop, and 4,000 bags Costa Rica are declared. TEA.—Although Black is offered rather under former rates, still all qualities have been operated in with caution by pri vate treaty, the trade only purchasing sufficient for their present wants, large as the consumption is, and low as pri ces are. In the value of Green we have little variation to record, the tendency is, however, still downwards, as the supply is large, and the demand limited : the low and medium kinds are yet the most pressed for sale. MOLASSES.—OnIy a moderate business has been transacted in West India Molasses, the purchases not exceeding 250 puns; no further decline can be quoted in the value. Cocoa.—West India Cocoa has been operated in with more freedom, and the rates paid are rather above those that existed previously—whilst the supply is on the de crease. Of Trinidad several parcels have been sold pri vately. Foreign sells more freely, but not at better rates. RICE.—To-day East India Rice was much sought after for all purposes, but further advanced rates being asked, making the rise since Tuesday ls. Gd per cwt, operated against busi ness, and only a limited quantity was disposed of privately. SPICES.—Since our last Pimento was not much wanted, and the rates taken are rather under those that existed pre viously. Further parcels have been received. By private treaty several parcels have been taken. For Cassia Lignea the inquiries have increased. In black Pepper few purchases have been made by private treaty, and for the inferior kinds rather lower prices have been accepted ; but clean sorts are held for the former value. White is offered at moderate rates. African Pod has been purchased with increased freedom. For Nutmegs, former rates are insisted upon; but tew contracts have been entered into. SPIRITS.—To-day there was a good business transacted in all descriptions of Rum ; holders manifested firmness, and obtained the following rates : proof Leewards 3s Id to 3s 2d ; East India 2s 10ff to 2s 11d. Demerara fine quality 38 per cent. over proof at 4s 6d, and Jamaica of fair to fine quality of the last 4s 7d to 5a 2d per gallon. amtoo.---vor East I • chate vr azs ants isAt. :; l 1 sales, but exporters and the home trade operate with Caut i o n, Y • qu . zte India the rates asked are equal to those Coc mpanish sells slowl taking suff ici ento h t a fi s y yb.e e o more e for fre etlhye supplied, i ni m - and the demand having been limited, prices suffered a depres sion of 2d to 3d per lb for silvers. SALTPETRE.—EngIish Refined has been largely dealt in, and prices are very firm ; the refiners show much firmness, as they have more orders on hand than they will be able to execute for soms time. Rough is wanted by exporters and the home trade, the rates offered are rather above those that pre viously prevailed ; but the supply of all descriptions is small— none has been offered at auction. Otis.—The supply has increased of all sorts of Southern Oil, and a slight decline in the value took place, the demand having been limited. The public sales of 80 tuns went off quietly. Cod has been operated in with caution, and there is a desire to sell at 27/ to 27110 s per tun, whilst the market is well supplied. For Seal the demand has been extremely limited, and prices are little better than nominal. There has been little desire evinced to operate in Sperm, and quo tations have given way ; the market having been more freely supplied. Of Fish Oils the arrivals have been upon a more extended scale since this day week, and the tendency of prices is downwards for all kinds. Lard Oil is little wanted. Although there are sellers of Palm upon lower terms, still exporters and the home trade operate with caution by private treaty, and a public sale of 96 casks went off quietly. Cocoa Nut is still in scanty supply, and prices in consequence range high. Olive is offered upon further reduced terms. Rape Seed Oil met with little attention. Prices role firm for Linseed Oil, and pur chases to a fair extent have been made by the home trade, whilst the shipping orders executed have been on a more extended scale. TALLOW.—A further decline has taken place in the value of Russian on the spot, and the town as well as country trade have purchased with much caution. Holders are evidently willing sellers. The deliveries, however, have again been small. For delivery in the last three months of the year a good demand however existed : but there is a desire to realise at 45s to 45s 6d per cwt. Home made is plentiful, but the demand has been limited. Other kinds of Tallow are little wanted, and can be obtained is to 2s under former rates, as the supply is yet plentiful. TUESDAY NIGHT'S GAZETTE. PALACE OF WESTMINSTER, LORD GREAT CHAM BERLAIN'S-OFFICE, MAY rd in the Palace of 3,s 1847. Ticketsto see the New H ous e 0 of Lo Westminster, will be issued from the Lord Great Chamber lain's-office every Wednesday , between the hours of ten and four o'clock, for the subsequent or any other Saturday. Each ticket will admit the bearer and one other person. All appli cations for tickets must be made personally, or through a re sponsible agent, as it will be impossible to stud tickets or an swer written applications. Persons receiving tickets will be required to leave their names and addresses, written on a card, at the office. Tickets will be admitted on Saturdays only, between the hours of ten and five o'clock. The number of tickets being necessarily limited, those persons who have been unable to obtain them will have a stamp placed on their cards, at the office, and preference will be given to such stamped cards, if presented at the o ffi ce before eleven o'clock on the following Wednesday. (Signed) WILLOUGHBY DE ERESBY, G.C. WHITEHALL, MAY 1. The Queen has been pleased to direct letters patent to be passed under the Great Seal, nominating, presenting, and ap pointing the Honourable and Reverend Robert John Eden, M.A., to the bishoprick of the Isle of Man and Sodor, 'roid by the death of Doctor Walter Augustus Shirley, late Bishop of that see. FOREIGN-OFFICE, MAY 3. The Queen has been pleased to appoint Martin Tupper Hood, now British Vice-Consul at Monte Video, Esq., to be her Majesty's Consul at Buenos Ayres. The Queen has also been pleased to appoint George Grey Sullivan, Esq., now British Vice-Consul at Amoy, to be her Majesty's Consul at Ningpo. - OFFICE OF ORDNANCE, MAY 3. Royal Regiment of Artillery—Second Captain Frederick Wodehouse to be Captain, vice A. H. Frazer. retired on full pay; First Lieutenant Charles Lawrence D'Aguilar, to be Second Captain, vice Wodehouse ; Second Lieutenant Louis Martineau, to be First Lieutenant, vice D'Aguilar, April 22. Corps of Royal Engineers—First Lieutenant George Bent to be Second Captain, vice Downes, deceased; Second Lieu tenant Charles Herbert Sedley to be First Lieutenant, vice Bent, April 16 ; First Lieutenant Edmund Yeomans Walcott Henderson to be Second Captain vice Reynolds, retired on half pay; Second Lie u tenant William Francis Lambert to be First Lieutenant, vice Henderson, April 2 ORDNANCE MEDICAL DEPARTMENT. Assistant-Surgeon Joseph Ambrose Lawson, M.D., to be Surgeon, April 19. Commissions by the Lord-Lieutenant of Norfolk. Prince Albert's Own Corps of Norfolk Yeomanry Cavalry— Francis Marryat, Esq., to be Captain, vice Proctor, resigned ; Cornet George Wood to be Lieutenant, vice Boyd, promoted; William Wood, Gent., to be Cornet, vice George Wood, pro moted, April 19. Commission by the Lord Lieutenant of the West Riding of the county of York, Ist Regiment of Yorkshire (West Riding) Yeomanry Cavalry —William Brooke Naylor, Esq., to be Captain, vice Taylor, deceased, April 24. BANKRUPTS. Ann Collyer, cowkeeper, Stoke Hammond, Buckingham shire, to surrender May 11, at half-past eleven, and June 15, at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Cannan, official assignee, Birchin-lane ; Meyrick, Fumival's Inn (for James and Smythies, Aylesbury). George Horne and Alexander Macleod Burghes, book sellers, Cheapside, May 12, at half-past eleven, and June 15, at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Pennell, official assignee ; Billing, King-street, Cheapside. Thomas Stirling, sen., and William Stirling, slaters, Strat ford, May 8, at half-past one, and June 2, at two, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Green, official assignee, Alderman bury; Scott and Co., St. Mildred's-court, City. Robert Cogan, glass merchant, Leicester-square, May 16, at half-past twelve, and June 12, at twelve, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Follett, official assignee, Sambrook-court, Ba singhall-street ; Richardson, Moorgate-street. George Southwell, baker, Whitstable, Kent, May 10, at half-past one, and June 14, at half-past eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Graham, official assignee, Coleman-street; Richardson and Cu., Bedford-row. William Rolph, innkeeper, Billericay, Essex, May 10, at one, and June 14, at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Turquand, official assignee, Old Jewry Chambers; M'Leod and Co., London-street, Fsnchurch street. _ _ James Cooper, cattle salesman, Billericay, Essex, May 14, at half-past two, and June 11, at one, at the Court of Bank ruptcy. Groom, official assignee, Abchurch-lane ; Norton and Son, New-street, Bishopsgate. John Alfred Trimmer, victualler, Brentford, May 14, at two, and June 11, at twelve, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Edwards, official assignee, Frederick's-place, Old Jewry; Lawrence and Reed, Gutter-lane, Cheapside. John Pulleine, jun., brewer, Selby, May 18, and June 3, at ten, at the Leeds District Court. Young, official assignee, Leeds; Wiglesworth and Co., Gray's Inn; I'Veddall and Parker, Selby ; Bond and Barwick, Leeds. Francis Rippingale, auctioneer, Thrumpton, Nottingham shire, May 14, and June 11, at ten, at the Leeds District Court. I , reeman, official assignee, Leeds; Johnson and Co., Temple, London; Bowley, Nottingham; Binney, Sheffield. John Munks, licensed victualler, Sheffield, May 14, and June 11, at ten, at the Sheffield District Court. Freeman, official assignee, Leeds ; Tattershall, Great James-street, London; Broadbent, Sheffield. Richard Burkinshaw, sharebroker, Sheffield, May 14, and June 11, at - ten, at the Sheffield District Court. Freeman, official assignee, Leeds ; Butterfield and Co., Gray's Inn, London ; Potter, Rotherham, Yorkshire. Thomas Robinson, builder, Liverpool, May 11, and June 11, at twelve, at the Liverpool District Court. Bird, official assignee, Liverpool ; Cornthwaite, Old Jewry-chambers, London ; Pemberton, Liverpool. DIVIDENDS DECLARED. A. Macleod and F. Macqueen, merchants, Leadenhall street—a div. of 9d. in the pound, on any Friday, at the office of Mr. Follett, Sambrook-court, Basinghall-street. J. Cuthbert and M. Clarke, jun., wine merchants, Col chester-street, Savage-gardens, City —a div. of 1 / 2 d. in the pound, on any Friday, at the office of Mr. Follett, Sambrook court, BasingLall-street. W. F. Cowper, B. F. Cowper, and P. E. Cowper, linen drapers„ Darlington—first div. of 7s. in the pound, on any Saturday, at the office of Mr. Baker, Newcastle-upon-Tyne. J. Wilkinson, wharfinger, Stockton-upon-Tees —first div. of 2s. in the pound, on any Saturday, at the office of Mr. Baker, Newcastle-upon-Tyne. G. Goodwin, merchant, Hull—final div. of 2%d. in the pound, on any day till after May 10, at the office of Mr. Young. Leeds. W.ll. Fitzhugh, merchant, Liverpool —a div. of 7s. 6 1 / 2 d. in the pound, on Wednesday, May 12, or any subsequent Wednesday, at the office of Mr. Morgan, Liverpool. DIVIDENDS _ _ • At the Court of Bankruptcy, Rasinghall-street. J. Duckham and R. Lankester, warehousemen, Bread street, Cheapside, May 27, at two—C. Best, printer, St. James's-walk, Clerkeuwell, May 27, at halt-past eleven—J. Coker, builder, Narford, Norfolk, May 26, at half-past one — J. C. Ross, merchant, Savage-gardens, City, May 26, at eleven—M. Dove, grocer, Maidstone, May '27, at half-past twelve—J. Cartlitch, victualler, Whitecross-street, May 26, at one—J. Bates, grocer, Three Colt-street, Limehouse, May 26, at half-past twelve—J. Bird, timber-merchant, Club-row, Bethnal-green, May 26, at twelve—G. Brown, timber merchant, St. Mary, Southampton, May 26, at eleven. In the Country. H. C. Howells, jun., stock broker, Bristol, May 28, at eleven, at the Bristol District Court—B. H. _Hunter, mer chant, Liverpool, May 28, at twelve, at the Liverpool District Court—J. W. Harvey, Ottery St. Mary, Devonshire, June 2, at eleven, at the Exeter District G)urt—J. G. Evison, May 25, at twelve, at the Liverpool District Court. CERTIFICATES to be granted, unless cause be shown to the contrary, on the day herein mentioned. A. Innskipp, leather manufacturer, Long-lane, Ber mondsey, May 26—J. Ullathorne, builder, Spencer-place, Brixton-road, May 26—W. F. Cowper, B. F. Cowper, and P. E. Cowper, linendrapers, Darlington, Durham, May 26—R. Dix, saddler, Wells, Somersetshire, May 28-J. Hepworth, wine merchant, Huddersfield, May 25—Rev. A. Keir, timber merchant, North Cave, Yorkshire, May 26—A. J. Cursham, scrivener, M a n s fi e ld, Nottinghamshire, June 11—H. Lovatt and W. H. L. Corran, merchants, Liverpool, May 25—11. Dutchman, merchant, Liverpool, May 25—J. Ingham, wool stapler, Liverpool, May 25—P. Burns, jun., bookseller, Liverpool, May 25—J. J e bb, groc er, Baschurch, Shropshire, June 9—W. Clemson, victualler, Shifnall, Shropshire, hfay 25 —H. Hunter, confectioner, St. Dunstan's-hill, City, hfay 25 —J. Lewis, butcher, Dawley -green, Shropshire, May 25—J. Burbidge and J. Burbidge jun., ca bi n et-makers, Tysoe-street, Clerkenwell, May 25—T. Jeynes, butcher, Longdon, Wor cestershire, M ay 25—J. Newby, haberda sher, Leicester, PARTNERSHIPS DISSOLVED. J. Prime and J. Ross, grocers, EastcheaP—M. Coghlan and H. J. Carr, woollen cloth merchants, Leeds—A. Fowler and It. F. Swift, tin plate workers, St. John- street—C. King and J. Emson, warehousemen, B rea d- s treet, City—T. P. Gw illim and R. Luml ey , ironmongers, Builth, Breconshire—T. M. Whittaker and W. A. Trill, linendrapers, Blackheath—J. P. Oxley, S. W. Sexton, and F. Wilde, dyers , Op enshaw, Lan cashire (so far as regards J. P. Oxley)—J. C. Vaughan and T. M. Chapman, fruit merchants, Botolph-lane, City—R. Troubridge and J. S.' Faulkner, brassfounders, Fore-street, Cripplegate—R. Roy, J. Blunt, jun., and D. G. Johnstone, solicitors, Lothbury (so far as regards D. G. Johnstone)—E. Grace and T. Jepson, general merchants' Leeds—R. Beau mont and T. P. Willia mson —J . Cl ay a nd E. Cooke, leather cutters, Norwich—H. S. Smith and T. Perfect, share brokers, Leeds—J;George and J. Lambert, silk mercers, Regent street—T. Whalley and R. Shepherd, grocers, Farington, Lancashire—J. Stuart, D. Stuart, and J. Stuart, merchants, Manchester—N. Chapp e ll, J . y. Ring, G. Thomas, E. Thomas, and J. S. Thomas, vinegar makers, Bristol—W. Watson and J. Hamilton drapers, Preston, Lancashire — W. Dale and W. Dale, jun., bootmakers, London -wall—G. Bur bidge and G. M. E. Snow, auctioners, Moorgate-street, City —W. B. Bragg and D. Pilkington, ship smi ths, Liver p ool — J. Finney and R. Polgla se , engineers, Blackwall — G. Gilkee , G. Worsdell, ant C. Pridham, ir . on f ou nders, Warrington, Lancashire—J. Beardsell, J. Beardsell, C. Beardsell, and I. Beardsell, fancy woollen manufacturers, Aldmondbury, Lan cashire—J. Turner and E. Wade, surgeon dentists, York. SCOTCH SEQUESTRATION S. Robert Henry, tailor, Edinburgh, may 12 and June 2, at twelve, at the chambers of Mr. Junner, Edinburgh. Elizabeth M'Kinlay, grocer, Glasgow , May 10 and June 7, at twelve, at the Black Bull Hotel, Crlaigov• William Cameron, merchant, Munlochy, Ross-shire, May 11 and June 1, at one, at the National Hotel, Dingwall. John Watt, coal master, Kilsyth, Stirlingahire, May 7 and 27, at one, at Eagle's Temperance Hotel, Glasgow. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, May 4. The House met at Five o'clock. Messengers from the Commons brought up several Bills, and praying their Lordships' concurrence. FACTORY BILL. On the motion of Lord FEVERSHAM, this Bill was read a first time ; and he gave notice that on the 14th inst. he would move that the Bill be read a second time. Lord BROUGHAM hoped the Noble Lord would permanently fix the Bill for that day, and not give way to any solicitation that might be made for a further postponement of it beyond that date. The Earl of CLANCARTY gave notice that he would move an amendment en the Poor Relief Bill, COUNTY LUNATICS ASYLUM BILL. Lord CAMPBELL moved the second reading of this Bill. Lord VIVIAN had great objection to several clauses of the Bill, but he would not oppose the second reading. Lord REDESDALE said the Bill was a very im portant one, and shpuld not be hurried on with too great precipitancy. 0 C T-DOOR RELIEF. The Archbishop of DUBLIN presented a petition from Dublin in favour of affording out-door relief, but opposed to a permanent measure. FACTORY BILL. Lord FEVERSHAM postponed the second reading of the Bill until the 17th instant. ASSEMBLING OF SQUADRONS. Earl of HARDWICK inquired if it was the intention of the Government to assemble the ,squadrons in the course of the summer? The Earl of AUCKLAND confidently trusted that the Government would, in the course of the summer, be enabled to assemble a squadron in the Channel under the command of Sir William Parker and another in the Mediterranean. The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH was glad to hear that the Government entertained the intention of assem bling two squadrons in the course of the summer; but he considered that the carrying out of this inten tion materially depended upon the ships at pre sent at Lisbon. Thus the navy of this country, instead of being practised in the arts of war and in the best mode of defending their own country, would have their time uselessly wasted in the service of a foreign country, because he feared much that the practice which they would be enabled to obtain by the assembling of the squadron would be lost by the absence of those ships at Lisbon. No doubt the Noble Earl (Earl of Auckland) now sincerely regretted having been induced by the Foreign Office to send ships to Portugal. Had any good been done by sending the ships there ? On the contrary, they had every reason to believe that the presence of the squadron at Lisbon bad postponed the settlement of Portuguese affairs by leading the Government of that country to believe that they could still longer postpone that settle ment with safety to themselves. He deprecated the interference of the English Government in this way, and considered that no good would result from it. He did think this question was a subject of grave im portance. Nearly two-thirds of the disposable fleet of England was at Lisbon. He felt deeply in regard to the English navy. It was not sufficient to afford them security. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE did not feel it proper to interrupt the Noble Earl, but there could hardly have been a speech made more out of place than that which they had just listened to. The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH here said he had a motion to put, and gave it to the Clerk. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said, if the motion was of the same character as the speech, it was most out of place and very irregular, as notice ought to have been given of his intention to move it. He would not enter upon the speech of the Noble Earl; the discussion now would be delicate and ill- timed. But British interests were just those that formed the object of the interference the Noble Earl referred to, and when the time came to explain fully the reasons that had placed a fleet where it was, it would be seen that British interests had dictated silence on this occasion. But he claimed for himself as much interest in the British navy as had been exhibited by the Noble Earl, and he was happy to think the effect of the disposition of the forces had been to inspire their own merchants with security and foreigners with respect for this nation. Lord BROUGHAM agreed that the subject was far too grave for discussion without notice. The subject then dropped. BANK OF ENGLAND. Lord WHARNCLIFFE asked whether any applica tions had been made to the Bank of England by the Government for advances from the former beyond the usual amount required upon deficiency bills for the current public service during the latter half of the yea 1846, and down to the present period ; and if so, whether there would be any objection to producing the corres pondence, or written communication connected there with ? The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said, in the first place, he had to state that, far from complaining of the question having been put, he thought that at the present moment it was a natural and fit question to put. With respect to the question itself, he could say distinctly that beyond the mere formal and constant correspondence on the subjects usually discussed between the Bank and the Government, and which formed part of the usual ma. chinery of Government, there had been no correspon r dance whatever on the subject of the Noble Lord's ques don ; but it was true that the Chancellor of the Ex chequer had had, from time to time during the last quarter, personal communications with the Bank on this subject, but none of them taking the shape of written correspondence, and in the course of these communica tions the Bank has been constantly apprised of the de mands—not much exceeding the demands of common years—that the Government would have to make upon them. Of the excess of securities in the Bank, of which so much had been said, he might observe, that the excess had been much more an excess of private securities than an excess of Government securities. On the 9th of January the private securities in the Bank were 14,400,0001., and they had risen on the 14th of April to 18,627,0001.; and at the moment when the ad vances of the Bank to the Government had been the highest, on the Bth of April, namely, the amount of pri vate securities was 18,136,000/., being many millions in crease beyond what it was at the commencement of the year. It there was anything to lament at this moment with regard to the monetary affairs of the eountry, it was the pressure to which the Noble Lord had referred; but, considering the variety of causes which had occurred calculated to give rise to that pressure—considering the extraordinary state of the country, the great demand for the importation of food, instead of being surprised that any such pressure should have come upon the Bank, his only surprise was that it had not been felt much sooner. Had precautions been taken at an earlier period the pressure would have been less severe: he trusted, how ever, that it would soon be overcome, and he could con fidently state that it was the anxious desire of the Go vernment and the Treasury not to add to the difficulties of the country by any interference with the management of the Bank, but to leave that body a sole control over its own affairs. Lord BROUGHAM was of opinion, that considering the very extraordinary circumstances that had occurred, it was nor in the power either of the Bank or the Go vernment to have prevented the crisis that had hap pened, which might fairly be traced to the failure of the potato crop, to the vast importation of foreign corn, and to the continual drain o n the money-market for supply ing capital to the carrying on of railways, which amou nted in less than six weeks to a sum of 3,000,000/.; these were circumstances which must necessarily lead to a deranged state of the exchanges. Here the subject dropped. SANATORY BILL. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE presented a petition from the mayor and burgesses of Cork, praying that the provisions of the present Sanatory Bill for England be extended to Ireland. EDUCATION. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE presented a petition in favour of the Government scheme of education from Nottinghamshire. RELIEF (IRELAND) BILL. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE presented a petition from the Poor-law guardians of Limerick, praying that the House would not sanction any laws which would im pose additional burdens upon the tenants. POOR-LAW. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE presented a petition from Stepney in favour of an effective Poor-law. LANDED PROPERTY (IRELAND) BILL. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE, on moving the order of the day for their Lordships going into Committee on this Bill, observed, that their Lordships having permitted the Bill to be read a second time without any explana tion of its provisions,- he felt that it was but respectful to their Lordships, although he did not anticipate any objection to the measure, to state briefly its general pur pose and object. The Bill was founded, he need not tell their Lordships, upon the circumstances which were peculiar to the present state of Ireland; and after the various discussions which had taken place in Parliament upon the subject of the condition of the people and the agricultural industry of that country, he believed there were but few of their Lordships who had not arrived at the opinion and conviction that vast improvements were required to be made in the agricultural management of that country; and that, upon an i mproved system o f cultivation, by an increased application of capital and skill, the future state of prosperity and even safety of Ireland must mainly depend. It was in proportion to their Lordships applying a stimulus to this improved system, and to these undertakings, by the investment of capital in the cultivation of the land, that they could an ticipate effecting any remedy for .the present state of things, or derive any collateral benefit from those other measures which their Lordships were now engaged in carrying forward• —measures which it was admitted on all hands would require the cordial support of their Lordships, in order to their being rendered effectual to the promotion of the general interests of Ireland. After all the reflection which he had been able to give to this subject, putting aside every prejudice which he did not deny entertaining in favour of that part of the United Kingdom, he was deeply convinced that it was by the agency of the landed proprietors only that the stimulus could be applied for introducing an extended system of agricultural improvement in Ireland. If that improve ment was not to be carried into effect by the proprietors of the land, he knew not by what means that improve meat could be given to the condition of the population f of the country which was requisite for the ds pirp providing for their subsistence. Their Lo t '. ps e c se ould agricultural hardly think that in the present statets could e be destitution in Ireland any i mprove intro duced by the tenants of the land m • e and as little did he suppose tbat their Lordships t h oug ht it would be com petento if the Cr o wn itself to underta ke, even autho rised by Parliament, a system of improvement to he ' carried into effect by the Commissioners of Woods and Forests, whatever confidence their Lordships might feel • in the Administration, or however much they might wish to see discharged the duties of applying machinery to drainage, and to the making of improvements of every kind for one great object, and under one authority. The obvious solution, therefore, of the difficulty in which their Lordships were placed was that of giving, under the circumstances of great disadvantage which they at the present time experienced, aid and assistance to the ►anded proprietors, by which they might have additional motives for exerting themselves in the improvement of their own estates. Their Lordships were well aware, for it had been repeatedly urged in the course of the dis cussions on this subject, that the proprietors of Ireland were not in a condition, with respect to the possession of capital, to command the means by which they could at once, and at one stroke, in one year, commence a system of improvement. If they were to attempt to do so, it would deprive them of their income, and in case of being in debt would deprive them of the means of paying the interest upon that debt ; in short, it would impose upon them duties which none but capitalists could undertake to discharge even in this country. If such would be the state of things even in England generally, their Lord ships a ell knew that it was the case very• peculiarly with respect to Ireland. Their Lordships knew that a very large portion of the property in Ireland was very deeply mortgaged, so that it was impossible for persons deriving nothing but a life income, subject to charges, from property which they only nominally possessed, to devote a sufficient sum of money necessary to introduce a change in the whole system of cultivation of the country ; to substitute new modes for old ; new machinery for that which has been hitherto in use, and so to act upon the industry of the la bourers of the country as to effect a total revolution in their habits and social condition. But their Lordships must be convinced that nothing short of this would really improve Ireland, or would give satisfaction or se curity there; nothing short of this would prevent Ire land for the future from being what it had unhappily been in the past, a weight and an incubus upon the re sources of this country. It would be taking a very narrow view of this subject, if their Lordships were to consider that by passing this Bill they were giving as sistance to the Irish proprietors alone. It was not their interest only that they were considering, but the inte rest of the whole country; for the whole population would benefit by the application of the money proposed to be advanced, and the repayment of which was secured by the provisions of this Bill. It was in the largest sense for the interest of England itself that their Lord ships were legislating, and it was with this view that he now proposed to their Lordships the measure which had been prepared to remedy the evil that so universally pre vailed in Ireland. The Noble Marquis proceeded to state the nature of the provisions of the Bill, the chief purpose of which was to carry into more complete effect the Bill of last session, which authorised the advance of the sum of 1,000,0001. By that Act the advances were made to certain descriptions of estates, whereas this Bill ex tended the benefit of the measure to all kinds of landed estates, care being taken to secure the principal and in terest, the 1,000,0004 being increased to 1,500,0004 It was proposed that for loans so advanced an interest of air per cent. should be charged on the property; and it was hoped that not only the interest, but the principal would, within a few years, be repaid. As this measure was intended to be universal, and to apply generally throughout the country, it became desirable that it should be made applicable to the circumstances of a vast variety of individuals; the provisions of the Bill had been there fore so framed that they fitted themselves to the case of almost every description of property in Ireland, and it would be in the power of every proprietor to avail him self of them. The greatest anxiety was felt in Ireland for the passing of this Bill; as a proof of it, abundant applications had been already made for assistance under its provisions. In many parts of Ireland, upon the speed in which that assistance was afforded would depend the utility of the measure. The Noble Marquis read a letter from a clergyman, who stated that he was almost worked off his legs in the discharge of his official duties as chairman of a board of guardians, and that his only hope of effectual aid to the inhabitants of his parish was in the landlords obtaining as sistance under this Bill. At present not 51. a week was paid in wages amongst a population of 4,000. The object of the Government being that these loans should be spread over as wide a surface as possible, it not being expedient tosonfine the advances to any one spot, a clause was introduced which provided that no person should be allowed to borrow more than 20,0001. The Noble Marquis concluded by moving that the order of the day be now read. The Duke of WELLINGTON—My Lords, during this session of Parliament I have contributed my sup port to various measures which have been proposed by her Majesty's Government with a view to apply a re medy to the misfortune which has occurred a ithin the last year in Ireland ; but I must say, that of all the measures which have been proposed by her Majesty's Government that one which the Noble Marquis has just adverted to, and the provisions of which he has now stated to your Lordships, is the one which I be lieve, in conjunction with the Bill the second reading of which was proposed by my Noble and Learned Friend (the Lord Chancellor) a few nights ago, will secure the object her Majesty's Government are seeking to attain—a Bill which appears to me more calculated than any other measure permanently to lead to the improvement of Ireland, and to relieving it from the effects of that great misfortune by which it has recently been visited.—(Elear, hear.) My Lords, I am not at all desirous of throwing any impediment in the way of this Bill, and I am perfectly certain that there are many of your Lordships much more capable than I am of stating the benefits which this measure is calculated to produce. But I am anxious to propose a clause in the Committee on the Bill, which I think would contribute to its good working, and remove a practice in the social system of Ireland which, in my opinion, has tended greatly to aggravate the misfortunes of that country, if it has not been the principal occasion of them. The practice I refer to is that of making land the circulating capital of the country, and pledging the land for the purpose of paying the wages of the labourer. I say, my Lords, that this is one of the causes and one of the greatest aggra% ations of the existing evils of Ireland, and the consequence is, that the Government has been obliged to come forward to give relief by employing large numbers of the labourers of the country upon public works. Such a practice as this is most injurious, for those men who require the services of the labourers let them land, and, instead of paying them wages as la bourers, they oblige the individuals who take the land to work out the rent. The consequence is that the la bourer, who is wholly dependent for his subsistence upon the produce of his land, finds that his labour is mort gaged for the rent, and at the same time, being without assistance, when his strength fails him he has no re source, and is compelled to resort to the Government works. And what becomes of his employer, the farmer or the small gentleman who employs him, under this system of making land the circulating medium of the country and the wages of labour ? When difficulties occur, and his capital fails, and his labourers are in capable of work, he has no resource , he is not in the habit of laying by capital—he has none—and he can employ no labour. Thus distress, when it comes, affects everybody, and the Government is compelled to employ the labourers of the country, and to give them food. Under these circumstances, my Lords, it appears to me that you cannot apply an effectual remedy to the evils of Ireland unless you enforce the necessity of paying the wages of the labourer in the current coin of the realm, and in the Committee on the Bill I shall propose a clause requiring that all bargains for the wages of labour shall be made in the current coin of the realm, and that the payment of wages shall be enforced in the same, and that the labourer shall have a claim for the payment of his wages in the current coin of the realm, notwithstanding any bargain with his employer to the contrary. I will lay this clause upon your Lordships' table, and I will Move it either in the Committee or on the bringing up of the report. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE entirely agreed with the Noble Duke in the principle of the amendment he proposed, but he was not at all sanguine as to its prac ticability. The Earl FITZ WILLIAM agreed with the Noble Duke, that these measures were very valuable, as far as they went for the improvement of Ireland. He heard with satisfaction the views of the Noble Marquis on this Bill, and he believed that if they were carried out, they would materially mitigate the evils under which Ireland was at present labouring. The Earl of WICKLOW wished to call the attention of the Government to what he considered an omission, but ho hoped an accidental omission. He meant the omission of the landlords, who undertook works under Mr. Labouchere's letter. They were not taken into con sideration at all, and he entreated the Government to comprise all the sums in this Bill which were ex r n tinder eflueldl Mr. Labouchere's letter. The Bill had efcientisconcurrence, and he considere d it a most mea sure, but he thought the om ission to which he adverted should be supplied. Lord MONTEAGLE was unwilling to say d .ottre oneo great public importa nce, and one of great public duty. The money was advanced under the strontheirgest security— to that of land itself , an d he begged to call thatwith security. He thought that every effort should be made to render the present income an efficient one, and therefore a pro vision should be introduced a g ainst the truck s y stem, but that the parties employed under it, should receive their wages in money. Before sitting down, he had an amendment to suggest in one of the clauses. In the fourth clause of the original Bill, he found that provision was made for the erection of mills in particular districts, which were in the want of them. There was also nore striction as to the amount of the capital to be invested in those mills, or their size. In that shape he was not sur prised that the Bill was objected to, but still he con sidered that some provision of the kind should be retained. The amount, however, ought to be restricted in amount, and ho would move a clause in Committee to that effect. He would also recommend, that in addition to these mills, small stores should be , erected in particular localities, and the provision in the original Bill re specting the erection of farm buildings, should also be restored. The Duke of RICHMOND concurred with his Noble Friend as to the necessity of introdutting such provisions in the Bill as would provide for mills, and the erection of suitable farm buildings. Lord BEAUMONT considered a groat improvement would have to be made in the system 0, f . tillage, before the landlords of Ireland could take ad vantage of the provisions of the Bill. The great evil 'n Ireland was the small farms into which the soil was divided, and the tenacious hold which the peasantry had u pon the land. There ought to be something done to alter • this state of things and to enlarge the farms. As it et 'garded the amendment of his Noble Friend (Lord Mo‘ateagle), he was astonished that it had not been retained in the Bill, as he considered it essential to the due efE t piency of the Their Lordships then went into Committee. Lord MONTEAGLE proposed an amendment on the 4th clause, authorising the er , ction of farm buildings, and in certain districts of corn mills, provided always that not more than 1,000/. was applied for the erection of any one mill. Lord STANLEY agreed with the Noble Lord as to the propriety of the amendment which had just been made. After a few words from Lord LUCAN, The Marquis of LANSDOWNE conceded the im of the amendment of the Noble Lord, givini p owerp to er ect mills, which he thought wou ld prove p great advantage to the country. The clause, as altered, was then agreed to. On the question that it stand part of the Bill, Lord MONTEAGLE said he felt strongly .the portance of the clause, and wished to ta ke the opinion ot their Lordships upon it. He was certain the Bill would n ot work without such an additio n. The Noble Lord on t on hearing that the Marquis of Lae sdowne would give subject his attention, said he would not press his amend ment then. After a few words from the Duk e of Richmond, and the Earl of Lucan, Marquis of Clanricarde, Lord Bedew was dale, and several other Noble Lords, the clause (Treed to. Clauses 1 to 5 were also agree d to, withou t s ay amendments. Upon clause 6 being read, the Earl of DEVCIN Pert; posed some amendments affecting the powers propose be given to the trustees appointed under the Act. After a few words from Lord Stanley , the Marquis e.l Clanriearde, and the Earl of Wicklow, the clause s'lt originally stood was agreed to. he Earl of SHAFTESBURY reported progress. T The House resumed, and immediately thereafter ad ' journed. • HOUSE OF COMMONS. IWO 4 ,1 The SPEAKER took the Chair at F our o'clocw. SECOND READINGS . and JuTnchteionDerßbayislhwiarye, Bill Staffor was dshire, read a n sec ond time, 'Worcestershire. ordered to be committed. The reports and agreed to : Ln the following Bills were A • • ) rshire and Galloway Railway (S Ihstown to u ll wellington). dale the oydes w Caledonian Railway (Branches from Junction Railway, the Douglas and Les aishagQ Mineral Fields, and to Strathavon) Caledonian Railway (Branches to Wil:sontoWot to rigi d ' co nsidere d house,. and to . Biggar and Broughton). Caledonian Railway (Extension of Motherwellbi3ralichtb of Clydesdale Junction Railway, to ..v;h - a inilealla Mineral Field, with Branches to , the . " ' 5- W a Coltness Railway, Canderside and Hamlton> itail Colchester, Stour Valley, Sudbury, and way (Extension from Lavenh,am to Ball St " mund's). n i ss g tr, Glasgow, Dumfries, and Carlisle Railway, and ',•;- -9 Paisley, Kilmarnock, and Ayr Railway (r 4 °.,. 'f t , g od Glasgow, Paisley, Kilmarnock, and Ayr Rauri s o flalstead v. _ _Glasgow and Belfast Union (No. 1). Manchester Markets. Scottish Equitable Life Assurance Society. Wolverhampn Gas. The consideration of the report on t he South- south. Railway (Mid-Kent and Direct Tunbridge), Easte ot Eastern Railway (North Kent line), S o uth; , j•Purs., Railway (Strood to M a idstone), was postp oned t day, after a short discussion. ts B ill The Kingston-upon-Thames Small Tenemen was ordered to be recommitted. leg. CONSERVATION OF THE Trliarm - id e f o r Mr. MASTERMAN brought in a Bill f lir° tb e r egir the conservation of the River Thames, and for lation, management, and improvement thereof. gia. DUBLIN CORPORATION IMPRO VEMEN r Inp Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL moved the second ij" eatr of the Dublin Corporation Improvement Bill by 2 5 ,000 Mr. GROGAN presented a petition, signed persons, against the Bill, and si g ne d 1/1 Mr. LABOUCHERE p re sented a petition, _. 30,000 persons, in its favour. ill II b e Mr. GROG-AN then rose to move that the lievea read a second time that day six months. So f t r , c hlio that the great mass of the inhabitants e pro were against giving such powers as v'' .h is Dill. posed to be given to the Corporation bY by t his He objected to conveying the powers conferr!ea dered that Bill on any corporation whatever; and he consi __ fact i o n. if it became law, it would create great smo king the He considered that the corporation in s ee t h e feel powers set forth in the Bill did not represent After ings of the respectable portion of the rate pa yers: ,_„, by some further remarks the Hon. Gentleman coneleu" proposing his motion. Mr. GREGORY seconded the motion. Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL considered that it was the impossible for the House to hear, this and r if st whole ot the arguments in favour of the Bill and agaw de it ; but he thought that a su ffi cient ;case had been 11l out for the House to go into Committee on the - 1 P on w hi c h he considered wou ld confer much advantage the City. No doubt, faults might be found with the management of some of the words; but the division of the six wards in the north aide of the town was not done for the purpose stated by the Hon. Member. Lit doubted muck whether the reconstitution of the whole of t G h e e n w tl a e r m d a s n wo h u a l d d did not think an estimate • of tbe whole case could be a sa d t v i o s e ry at t e h d e . pasrptieeaskwinhgose case the Hon. of valuation he formed without taking the population into cons ideration. He appealed to the Conservative Gentlemen on the op posite side of the House, whether it would not be better to give this liberal corporation some real business to do, instead of having any inducement of unduly applying a proportion of their time to other purposes. Mr. GREGORY said that he should have hoped, after the evidence that had been laid on the table, and the partiality that had been exhibited by the Corpora tion, the Right Hon. the Secretary f o r Ireland would have hesitated before he gave this Bill his support. With respect to this subject, he would take leave to al lude to an episode. On a Sund a m orning, on the walls The of Dublin, was seen the follo win g Oran g e bill. ( Hon. Member here produced the document in queetion, which was headed " Popish Ascendency," and conclude d by a denunciation of the " P o p ish corporation.")ral this That created naturally a disgust in t he mind of every libe minded man. But what was the fact? Why, proclamation was printed by the printer of Conciliation' hall, and was stuck by the bill-sticker of Conciliation--- (11ear, and laughter)—and that was done for the ha w w boozlement of the Secretary fo r Ireland. The Hon Member here produced another placard, offering fifty pounds reward for the name of the party who had circulated the former placard. —(Renewed laughter.) He trusted that tricks of this so rt would meet with. h their proper reward from the Honourable Englis e land Irish Gentlemen who occupied seats in that Hous. If the Corporation could show that they had propirlY appropriated the funds committ ed to their c t i ry r might show cause to the 11.,use, and ask for furth er powers. But sp os instead of diing of their funds for the improvement of the condition of the city, they h ad acted precisely the reverse. Mr. LABOUCHERE said that, considering the im portance of a Bill which excited so much discussion in the principal city of Ireland, he trusted the House would allow him to address a few observations upon the subject. The Honourable Member who bad first spoken had expressed his dislike of ali corporations in Ireland, and the Hon. Member for Dub lin in other words expressed the same opinion. But however respectablecothlde to not individuals express oicdunalsiv hi s w e h o wteht h yal el i d driesis: t ae ha d t t from opi them. opinion, he beg H g e ed leave u should be deprived of a right which ce was accede d to the larger cities of England and Scotland. He did not wish to pronounce any unqualified panygeric upo n the Corporation of Dublin, for he considered that that body had evinced a too exclusive politics bearing, and he regretted deeply to see a body. which should furnish an example to the rest ot Ireland actuated by a narrow and sectarian spirit. Some time ago the Hon. Members on the othe r side of the House justly supported a Bill giving ran ch larger powers to the corporation of Belfast and he now called on them, inas much as they had agreed to that Bill to agree to the second reading of the present. He at least could not refuse his sanction to the second reading of a Bill s u pp orted as it had been b numerous and highly respect able petitioners. He be lieved that the time was at hand when they would be but obliged to give, not only the same laws to Ireland, also the benefit of England's excellent institutions. . Mr. SHAW, who rose amidst loud cries of " Divide. divide," objected to the second reading of the Bill. A great proportion of the most respectable in habitants of Dublin, without reference to religion or religions, were opposed to the Bill. The Duke of Leinster, the principal bankers, the m erchants, the Chamber of Commerce, c onsisting of Roman Catholics, Presbyterians, and Quakers, were the principal oppo nents of the Bill. H e was not, therefore, a party oppositionist. Mr. SHEIL said he would not detain the House more than a few minutes. The Bill had been petitioned for by 9,000 inhabitants of Dublin, representing property to the amount of 220,0001. At present the local inte rests of Dublin were very badly attended to• and a Bill like the present was absolutely required. Now, the corporation of Dublin, so long as the law stood as it was, should be held as the representatives of the city of Dublin. They were hound by principle to vest the corporation of Dublin with the same powers as those of the corporations of t his country. Glasgow Chester, and several other places had all such, p o wers as, the promoters of this Bill aske d how then could they with any justice, withhold from Dublin, with a franchise o 101., the powers given to this co untr y , with a franchise of 5/. He remembered the last words of the Rig 13 of Hon. Baronet the Member for Tamworth. wou ld extend to Ireland the seine civil, religious, and municipal rights as England."—(llear.) The Earl of LINCOLN (amid lo ud cries of " ai" " t! vide") said he would not troubl e the Souse but for the observation of the Right H°/ / ' Gentleman who last had just sat down, and the observations of the Gentleman who had preceded him, in reference to the late Prime Minister. He denied that by the pre sent Bill the law would be assimilated in Ireland to tha t of this country. After a few words of exp lanation from Mr. M. • O'CONNELL, Mr. DILLON BROWNE said the powers contain. c / in this Bill were possessed b y nearl y every corporation it! England, and there was no just reason why they soo' _ CI not be applied to Ireland. The people of Ireland .vver! looking forward to the passing of this Bill wit h ': good deal of interest, and if the House refused to ad o pt it they would only afford another proof of of ttrg justice of the complaint made by the opponents _ union, namely that there was one law for England AU' another for Ireland. The House then divided, when there appeared-- For the second reading .................... . WS 120 A g ainst it ................................. : ... !0_ Majority against the second reeding .. 4 .4._, THE SUN, LONDON, WEDNESDAY EVENING, MAY 5, 1847 'C c.l `;* k ;