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what were the real interests of the empire, and most likely to maintain the tranquility of Ireland. He should, therefore, for the purpose of affording their Lordibies .further Information upon this interesting topic, mote to accoinpany the documeet called for by the Noble. Earl, with another, viz. &copy of the 'circular triter addressed by the Secretary of the Catholic Committee, in Dublin, to the different counties in Ireland. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE, after adverting to the great importance of the subjed, and to the Noble Secretary's view of the conduct of the Go vernment of Ireland, expressed his wish to know, from the Noble Earl, whether the single document, which he had given notice of his intention to move; would of itself go to prove that systematic and deli berate lineerien to violate the law, which the Noble Secretary asserted to exist in Ireland ? He imagined. that the Noble'Earl must himself teel the propriety sit laying before Parliament any other information, or impels, of 'which he may be in , possessioe, in ar tier to satisfy Parliament of the necessity for adopt ing such an extraordinary measure. If• the paper adverted to should not be accompanied by any other information, he again expressed his wish to know it they were to understand that the whole proof "rested upon such document ? The Earl of LIVERPOOL had no difficulty in state itig, that Hie paper he had adverted to did not con tai the whole of the information possessed by hia Majesty's Grit , ernment ; but it would be a question of serious consideration, «hether the production of Niftier documents 'would at• present be desirable,— Their Lordships Most be ?ware that a great deal of the information which Government may posses+ would not be proper for public exposure. There may be other ways of communicating ieforenation of , that kind, as through a Secret Committee. It was sufficient, he thought, at present to state, that such. faCts had recently come' to the knowledge of .tbe Irish Gevernotent, as, in its judgment, proved a SplielOACIC and deliberative intention to violate a to: fi( important A 6 of Parliament. The Earl of Deareeet censored the system of Goverrmicnt adopted by Ministers with respect to It lane; the state 01)(1 . C . IT'CUIDitati.oes at which he thought were . maitre s for the most serious attention (lithe Legislattne.. He adverted to the Roy4l Speech &beet eil ,by. the Lords Comiiiissioners, evWch lie . 4Ardhia;let, try t!) , no nie:His sufficiently expl cit wits lespett to Irelend. With a view of bringing the present situation of the country, more fully to the k no wl e d g e of the House, he notified his intention after the Noble Earl's motion should he diSposed of, to move fir the produttion of ,several documents lustretite of the ietentte, commerce, and fitianees of betted. The. Ea , I of LI emit tax rose, chieflY e he observed, in eensereleeee ofhis uederstatiding the Noble Earl, es Ito creed the disc' -aloe, to say, that me of the obie! . ‘rs•til , the Uttioe was to:free Troln,id from the ,oPp;es•ions of its Parh rent [or iris own n,rt he in ti n t Porlianient, and ps the Nohle E rl I s lit t ut thot t gie ' , roper to state upeni' what grouo i di or en cuiesteeces he eemed such an ()pi niotie but eterely made toe asset tion, he must 61)- n-1;i lomsell with expressing ,his astonishment at veifei lie had teard. He could not a.oid, news :ter, itkaliteg to the recollthion of the Noble E .r 1 that that Pethament snood 'willfully ;it its post, and by its spirit, perietet;lnce, and exvitions, :tined that coun try from all the herrors of rebellion. It had to grai i sle with a ct sit of anprecedented danger and dial' tally ; it Ito t to straggle with a traitorous, ait;e.eilaly, Who nertired the people of the Country to leek to them tied not to its Parliament ; an t i if th e ,lure had not supported a ts) stein of Vigoroes cnear.ures, a!:d put down those assem hlieg., 'they' must have suet ceded' in overpowering Patliament Its, If*. lean Hereesen coincided in the feelings express. el his Noble Friend, regarding the Union with Ireland. With rest{ &I to what liad'fallen from the Noble Earl who spoke last , ,, if that Noble Earl would consult those who were concerned in fillet ing the Uninn, he would find t hat strong hopes were held our, that certain oepressive laws would be - done away, and that a large portion of the peo ple, of Itched were induced to acquiesce in the melsure, under that impression. .With respe& to the topic mote immediately before the 'Howie, he had to express his Satisfaction at Hearin; the Noble Secretary of State 'disclaim all previpus knowledge of the measure ; he had heard this,wich satisfaction, but not with surprise, as he could not tam so •bad an opinion of any set of men, as to think . them capable of pratlising such an enormous cheat either upon his R. iyal Highness the Prince Regent, newt the very eve of his accession to theGoi ere 'merit; without having communiceted, such a de termination to his Royal'. Highness, or upon the Parliament, in obsereteg a perfect silence relied mg such a .state of Ireland, in the speech dehver ed by the Lords Comm ,sinner*. He expressed his wish to know whether. the Noble Earl spoke his opinion of the uneesure in question as a Member of paella-nice!, or as expressive of a sanction given by the King'S Ministers under the Regent; to the con-. of th i -, opinions 'expressed by the Irish Go verinnent The Earl of LIMERICK spoke,in explatra tion,b,in consequence of what tell frerm the Noble 1.13rp1, He did not requiriv to be refet red t o a n y set!oreMen windever o its to the truth of .his ine e i e bet he could C,Olifidelaly refer to the whole body of the loyal inhabitants of Ireland. The Earl of e Ross said, he could not avoid troubling their Lordships with a few woids on the teeeent occasion. He did not pretend to any extra. ordinary information with respedt to the present circumataecee of Ireland, but he thought all whO paid ordinary enettaou .to what was going forward there, as matter of publicuotoriety, might twin fl sufficiently correct opinioa upote the whit e% 'The conduct of the Ciitholics spoke plainest for itself on this occasion: As long as their Committee emit:rued Its attention to the, poii e : for waled they were avow edly appointed; the Irish Government did not think it necessary to interefere ; the Ca,tholies were n o t prevented from statiog what they supposed to be their griJvances; but the business for which they were in 'lnitiated being disposed of, they were not content, but weir! proceeding to much further and to alarming . Their Corutuittea originally consisted o f `► thirty-eight Members; in addition to tliest.,they deter mined that each county in Ireland should send ten Member& to their body, which wuuld form an ag gregate of three hundred and fitty-eight, who Nero to meet in convention in Dublin. 'What they wete to dpi he did not know, but he preiwned the lush information Government head upon the subject.— After this, he would ask, uhteher the' Irish Go vernment could, consistently with its duty, stiffer such a kind of Parliament to be held in Dublin ? The proceedings of the Catholic committee were known to the public, and were as regulorly detailed in the Dublin pints as those of Pal liament were in the Imperial Metropolis ! The Noble Earl then referred to some of their proceedings as published, with' a view to shew that some of that body enter tained a sitnilar ,opinion with shits_ If-T.-that they were going beyond those limits which were origi -nally assigned them ; and 'conclud 'd with express. ing his opinion, that the Government were fulfill, ing a salutaiy duty in enforcing the law. The Earl of BUCKINGIinNISHIIf derec.ited any premature unfavourable conclusions as to the con dua adopted by. the Government of Ireland. Cir cumstances might be such as to call tor it ; but that, considei ition may be a matter of future inquiry. With respect to what Was thrown out relative to the ► expected repeal of certain laws, the Act, more than once adverted so 'this 'evening, was nut one of them ; it was Merely a declaratory, and Hot an mite- . ing The Earl of DONOUGIMORE waeof opinion, that the present subject may fairly be .consideree in a • different light from thist in which sotheNehle Lords seemed to view it. For his part he' thought the measure, in question, 'es it now stoo.ibyfore the. House,.should be discussed as an act of power, whiGh required seine explanation. This was . parliametear rily speaking. His own private seteitnenewas, that. it never could be justified. ,Nuble Lords chimed justice fir the Ministers, on the I resent occasion. Ile, on the weer side, claimed justice for his Islijes ty's Catholic subjects of Ireland. Ile spoke this in-, 1 dependently of any view to ihe consideration of his havipg been the Peer select, d tr, present the Catiedic Petition to that. House ; however;he con'S'ilered that selection as highly bottom-Alt': to him. The subject was cue which callt'd for the most serious ievtstiga :ion, the resell of which he doubted not ei 011 id jus tify the opinion he had UStieed ; and it was with the highest satisfaction he learni.d, trom what trans pired that night, tipt the measur'e in (Ithlitioa was not authorised by his Royal Highness the Prince Regent. ' ' . Lord REDgiDALE Coll , Corred,hl.,qie sentiments ex- t pressed by . Noble Eel who, spoke latterly in the • discussion ; it was the ditty, he thought, of the Irish G-vernment to have interkired a it had (lone. Ile was .of opinion that only som ,, inch vidual Members of the Catholic Committee dis appiii,eil of their ulterior piocUL dingii, b u t th at a %cry great portion of the body of his Majes rt ty's Cateulic subjects. enteateol the semi mentS. i question wait again put , on the Earl of Moira ii motion, wlech was ordered accordingly. - • The Earl of Ltvgapoot. then moved, agreeably, to the intention he hul notitied, for the piodne lion of 9 copy of the circular letter addressed by: I be' Sveretary. of the Catholic Committee in Dublin to the ditlerent comities in Ireland,' t4cc.; which was ordered to be laid before the. House. O the motion of the Earl ot DOttsILEY, a variety ref noeumentl respecting the IteVenue, Commerce, National , Debt, and Moaners of Ireland, were. also ordered to be laid before the flon4e. DEBTOR LAWS. Ligrd Itt;r)KsDALe CALA to the recollection of tlwir Lordships .what had taken place in Parliament last Session on this subject. He adverted to the mea sures he had the honour to bring forward, which re.; spected, first, an extension of the ameunt of the sum fi t which a debtor could be arrested.-,-secondly, the establishMent of a permanent profUsion for the irge of clebtors,--,ind, thirdly, a general and mote expeditious mode for the recovery of small deb . s. The general' principle of these Bills had been more than once discu.sed in the House. From cirviinstances, in the last Session, only one of these Bin gone through that 'House, • but had not passed through the other House' od Parliament. two other Bills did not adyance so 'far. After a few general remarks on - the nature of the Bills he was about forthwith to introduce; which we under stood' his 'Lordship to have said, were' two in the ';•resent inStanee one ruspttting arrests, under wesue process, Szei which was si'wnilar to that , pass• cd last • Session ; the,other Bill, which was for the Rehel .of the Insolvent Debiors, wa,:new modelled in Some, degree, and included the prilleiple of the eessio Banarum, which to bi.lieficially prevailed in Scotland; Jin Holland; and some other countries.--.. - The Noble and- Learned Lord, -then, alter a few further observations, presented two Bills, found ed ott the principles he had adverted'to, which were read a first time, -and ordered to be printed, - The Earl of MblltA took occasion to compliment the Nohle and Learned Lord on his so laudably com ing forward on an occasion of so great and general importance- , --his assiduity and perseverance deserved the highest praise r -he was happy, for the bt'iietlt of, the country large, that the subject was hiken tip by one every way so equal and competent 19 the task j and it was his ,Sincere opinidit that such a portion of any man's time could nut be so AVM)* tageothly employed for the public, as that bestowed by the Noble: and Learned Lord in the measure in question. • Lord HOLLAND concurred in what had fallen fran his Noble Friend, as' to the lanchtble conduct of th e Lear ne d Lord opposite. There was no pat of the laW' which required the hand olcotrectioinor reform so mucl'has that nosy in question ; nor could the task have fallen into more adequate hands. It was by professional characters alone, he thought, the collo try was to be effcctually benetitted id these t, spects; ,tier if benevolent perseverance, and pathetic elo quence, of themselves could prevail, long, long since would the country have been indebted to his Nuble,,riend for such an amelioration in its legal system.t‘it were much to be ,wished that Parlia ment would pay a proportionate share to this of the attention which it generally paid to political subject., and it would have been much. more fOr the ac:- vantage pf their fellow subjects. There /was no part of the. Noble and Learned Lord's . sys m gave him more satisfaction, or that would be of more ge neral utility than that which woulego wthe libera tion of so many of their fellow-Subjects from the over-crowded jails, and the houses of correction, into which many of them were necessarily stowed. REVENUE LAWS. Lord GRENVILLE expressed his great satisfaetio n at the recent proceedings, which he trusted, would prove an auspicious omen as to the early introduc tionand expeditious dispatch of public business in future, that measures of importance would no longer be delayed, as was too often hitherto the case, until such a We period of • the Session, • as precluded their duo and adequate consideration. Under this im piession he came for-vard thus early with'a propo sition of great, though not so • great or general im p,rtatice as those which were lately under consider ation. His Lordship then adverted to the cirucn stance'ot a 8.11 Wr i tich was betore their . Lordships, iu the last Session, for the Amelioration of the -Re venue Liws, by comprising, and clearly specifying. in one Act, the various offences' which, tin,:er she existing code, were sullied to capital punistottents.- T'tie Noble Lord made a variety of ~ b servations ott .the' . plopriety, and beneficial tendency of such an amelLratiou, and adverted to some points to which he seemed to think the measure pro ; 05i..4 lass Ses:•-• siou shuuid be still further improved. In thii view tie would propose, That the Bid of last Session should be referred to a Cominittee of their Lord ships, to consider what Acts, on the sup jeat to ques tion, it would fie neceisary to inelti.le in tie Bill, •. and what it would' be - expedient in expunge, &c. - The ,Nt'ite Lord having furrnally nosed -to this effccl,, • it was ordered' accordiogly ; and that the Committee do consist of th,,! same Lords as lAt Ses sion, and that the Committee do sit on Wednesday next. 'l' h e House then adjourned till to-morrow. HOUSE OF COMMONS. MONDAY., FIB. IS. COURTS MARTIAL. Mr. WARDLB gave notice, that zo-morrow se'n nighi he would submit to the House a Motion re specting a Court Martial at Litile Hampton, in June last ; and also a , motion respecting a Court Martial held at Brighton, on the Gth of July last, on Robert Curtis, late a Corporal in the Oxturdshire and respeCting some circumstances cuusequeut on that Uhl. CAPITAL PUNISHMENTS, Sir S,. ROMILLY gave notice, that on, Thursday next, he would submit a motion to the Flutite re lative to Capital Punishments. He Would now move an humble Address to hi s R o y a l Highness the Peirce Regent, that be would be giacionsly pleaSed, to order, diat there be laid before the House a Re turn of 'the number of C a pit a l Convictions' ranee August, 1400, specifyiog the names of the indivi duals, and toe crimes of which they weti.: eof,riaed.. --Ut tiered. INFORMATIONS FOkLIBEL. Lord Fouivrorze lave notice, that or an early day it was Ills intetai,,rl t 0 make a matitto on the number of iittormattotis which had, within a recent periojt, been filed ex otficin, by the ,A 1 tcrney-Ge neral, for fiber. Flu added, that he had for stye ral days past looked in yam lot the presence of the Attorney-General in his place, in order to put seine questions to ibat UOEI. and Learned Gentleman, re speattig the individual who was tried in' July last tor the sale of guineas, and the 'state of the pro- Otalino apinta I . ItELAND. Mr% l'oNsoNny %%as ati,i,ious, to put a question to the Bight Hon. Gentleman oppokilte, on 'd subject °t i the utmost importance to the United Empire.— Every one must have. seen a paper which had been. published in this metinpolis, pnrporting to be . the copy of.a circular letter, .stgned by the Chief Secre tary for Ireland, and 'aditres,.ed to the Sheriffs _of Counties, and to the Chief Magisttates of that Country., What he wished to know was, whether, before that Step was adopted. by the Irish Govern mein, the pleasure of his Itgyal Highness the Prince Regent had been taken upon it ?• and it - not, w he titr. the British Cabinet. had communicated to his 'loyal Highness, that the Irish Cabinet had thought itself justified in issuing, the letter to which he alluded? TIIC CHANCELLOR Of the EXCHEQUER felt no difficulty or disinclination in answering the Right Hon. Gentleman. He could assure him th at t h e subject was as n e w t o him on Tirursday as it was to that Right 'Hon. Genilemati•that morning. Until Thursday night, tie fitr.iit' was perfeatly unki. own to any of his .Majesty's Servants. It was perfectly unknown to them even that the Meetings to which the letter 'elated, alluded to - by the Right Hon. Gentleman, had'assittned such a character as to ren der necessary the step which had been taken. When information of that measure had been.zransmitted to his Majesty's se rva n ts , t h ey felt deep regret that the .Irish Government had been under •the necessity of adopting it ; btu Irvin the Communications whiCh they had received, (although those. communications were net in a detailed form); they entertained a per fect confidence, that that Got eminent had, exercised wise and pifident discretion'. Of course- it %as e‘ident befit the pleasure,ot tits Reyal 'Ugliness the' Prince Regent could not possibly have been. taken on this subject; but die information which had been received'byiClinisters.wn4 commUnicated to his Royal Highness on Iriday inurniog„ WAtiu asked whether it was the intention °fiche Right Hon. Gentleman opposite to submit to the House a tru l y of the circular letter of the Chief Secretary, or tiny-other documents which related to this inipoi rant. affair ? The CHANCELLyR• Of' the EXCHEQUER had no such immedlate intention, but declared that he had no objection whatever to the production of any pa pers or the nature . alluded to, that could with pm priety be produced. Of .course he should reherve to hiinsell the. right - of judging on that propriety, should the Hon. Gentleman think fit to make any motion on the occasion. Mr. WARD then gave notice, that on Friday he would move that thew be laid before the House the cireUlar letter of the Chief 'Secretary; together with any other papers that might tend to clucidatoothis im portant subject. Mr. IltrtctstrrsoN expressed his hope, that at anon as Ministers became acquainted with tha rw ot transa6lions in Ireland, they- issued diretlinns thl Irish Government to take such measures as would avert misconception, and would prevent the Irish praizid ftom imagining that it was intended to disturb theta In the exercise of their undoubted right of pclilju n " log Parliament against any grievance by' ‘chich 11!e1 might be affecled.. He had come down on Satur‘ l ' 4 ' with the view:of rwKpressing this ey,pe:.93000, btlt disappoitited by tile failure in making a Hose: At that time, it was also his intention to give 11 0 : tiee, that on Friday he would move for the fer 'of the Convention tia, the execution of Whitli tention, ..troweVer, he would postpone la a clay or t w o, until more accurate and detailed inloriv Atiol should be received. mo N v i e r. fo G r r s t. e ts r :t a ve ße n t o u t s i l e i e sr t e h s a i t ,eL l l m in % g vo u i l l e ld 141ILITIA. Regular Mil tin. StioairenUirll‘: OCCUKRIiNCES IN ts . o4. In reply t;.) a question from Mr. Dundas, 4 Mr. WHITBREAD ObSEIVOd, hat some ntioppi: tension had gone - forth t hd nature of the cotir.' which he trielot to adopt with roped to the prof ceeding . g in I so-i. He had already given nuilt's that O A , Monday next .he would mom for point n ien of a Committee to search tit" A' r ' e Journals on this subjed ; and any other aleSio which he might thi n k proper to insiitut6 rou„ 4 ", ceslarily be consequ en t .on the report of 1113111°0 mittee. - NEW . . A new Writ was ordered W for RIT Ayr, in ihe r°°°)of the Honourable David Boyle, who, since hi ' f t lec oi von, had acc e pt e d th e o ffi ce o f o ne of the ,1400 Session in Scotland. . • _ POPULATION OF GREAT BRITA IN. M. Ross, after a variety of obierva l i o ns on ig th the ben e fits w hi c h h a d resulted, bOth in a fi " anc e r and in a military-p o i nt o f v i ew , from the la st 11 .', 0 sure of a similar nature, moved, That leave io bring in a Bill f or ta4ing an RCCOUIIt pulation of Great Britain, and of the increo o minution thereof since the last retur:lc• Atter a few remprks bym Mr. D. Gil)' an S 0 NEWPORT, thernotion was agreed io ; and Nlt ill brought 'in the • Bill ; lehich was read a first tine and ordered to .be read a second time to.aiorrisl HIGHW kYS , .51 Sir J. SINC'LAIR Obtained' leave to bring In - h to amend the la ws respe ai ng turnpike and hig,lof roads in Englind an d Wales ; and o n the 1 1 °, 11 :dici the Hon. BarOnet,•a Committee re' take into consideration the Atis now in T r .i i r,4 a sp n e d cti , w ra t l; hi a g n h a way and turnpike r ' l4 i n ra . l 5 es a id might seem to them to preseiving thereof. IRISH EXCHEQUER. k . 0 0 0 On the motinn of . • I r an Sr tr . L P.W . PO was ordered to be laid nefore thief - 1 0 ° 6e ' paid into the British Exchequer .by the i r ' L i i3 ;oo chequer, during the years, 1808. 1809 ' op account of the joint charqes of Ext'e t ''' exspuLgi e t i s , t t f s o u r e ti)hereigeruail:rtivo,ii geiher with copies of all tAurrants fur Jame. COMMITTEE OF SUPPL Y * rife E g' On the 'mat!cii, 4 „" the CHANCELLOft 0 1 ' d the CUE Usti, the nevort of the Cutnalitte4l to 11.14 whole_,_ House on tt.e Supplv to be gan tc ‘ a ,„o oo MaJeity (which was a citcpped order, itt oi of the failure in making a House OLI SillOP3)I ' ordered to broaght up to-tnorrow. SLAVES AT CANADA. 1 : 1 , 00 1.1 Mr. BROUGHAM gate notice, that on r r lit rno t en' he would submit to the House fl lacing the Slaves at Canada.—Adjoinn ed. -f I v a da d ' ARR IV EU —1 Ms —1 Dublin , 3 PRICE' 01: STOCKS Tnxs nAy A r TWatVs o cL ' ° Coil Sols - • 6i n I Red. Ann. • H s t, N. LONDOIV, TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 19, WI. btij~ . . Wiiidsor Castfr. re His MAJESTY proceeds favourably 'I covery." uso Signe' Some of the last letter.; from S wed° itaL c iog i a. t I n i r o o n u p n( g i f l a le de N . o l tt n h. is about to take place in the Cotnnietc4l, h ' io j begin eila _UoNAPARTP,'S violeAt ", dij f occasioned channels o f ti fo trade. prevails ed b y i . n R olm, kingdom 1101'citeol i c 31 1 d against Commerce', is so great, that it - ~cl'"r xi BktINADOTTE iS 1111X.i01.4 10 (Wei l th e l'' st (r v b M illi I CAULAINCOUHT, has not yet beet) 1 ' 1 , 0 ,0' u d pon the Government to adopt "the Fran' i d ot ''' soon o t'i ‘t i c o, t n i r r e 4 t e e il l : i f 1 fl:dftbarhpotieeidnnElsditteet:7:elsPetnt:ilgilt:rulorf SALE I a s e i s l i l s :ae' Russia,l t A ti ee. : Nt i a picile n e t iE" : s : ll It jer s :ll ) ' : et6 : llb % l6i'l e !':e' r se ) vtilt.b i t :) lo t'etiArilleglc4 - ?,1r1131.e ( :` ‘ll , 141 ; I ‘3 4er 1 t : 5 it is red r : m ced t . And ende3vour te l e- 0 ,11‘ ) s g raa u mn it c l ee e , i ta n i: I.ci o ie u ,lv r ,e e a x r p l e - e V Et n e a o t i a fe ‘ r v n e i s ti l i tal:l u l t o ') t n i : o l(l i p iliv :: : :::: : t 1 ( 1 : 11: : : ' , : °1 : 1 , fe rf „ . ,b 1 e,.../ li is betlf noortt rely dt:listearnet,mxtvisitlebnetliilteniptsotp(:::::f;:: oop_pEreusrstoeedpt.e brO‘iviloffmtahkee yoke s°rn % '' vil l : c9%: ' lii::l; II : 1 : .4 i 1 ive ~ Letters from Hambur,:h or the Imo ~,,,,,e, ... to , of ~ f!, report, that France Wai on the e'r 06.' 0 ' ar against Russia. Th e same !ell e° b O ,O l .. many counting-houses of tie princiP/1