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The Prime Minister enclosed authenticated re- ports of the judicial proceedings a g ainst Mr. 1 Donald, to show that his statement was c orrect; and the British Consul, in transmitting them to his employers, expresses his opinion that, how ever hard the treatment complained of might ap pear, redress " could not be insisted on when the laws were violated." Having read carefully over the statement of Mr. Donald, and the an swer of the Mecklenhura Minister, we are of opinion that the matter deserves still further in quiry. The justification advanced by the au thorities of this little sovereignty for arresting and detaining a British subject is founded on two grounds perfectly distinct—namely, the irre gularity of his passport, and the heterodoxy of his faith. On the first plea, he might have been detained till after an inquiry into his character, or sent out of the duchy for neglecting to comply with a police regulation ; but his want of a pass port gave no warrant for trying or examining bim on a charge of breaking the religious laws of the duchy. On the latter charge, indeed, he might have been tried if he had committed any overt act of the Anabaptist heresy ; but surely the visit of an English subject at the house of a heretic ought to have fur nished no ground for inquisitorial severity. But the alleged defect of the passport, bad as it is, is declared by the complainant to be totally untrue. The authorities, he states, first took away his passport, and then accused him of being without one ;—placing him nearly in the same situatio n as the soldier in Goldsmith's tale, " who was knocked down, and then abused for not stand ing." Of the crime of Anabaptism, he was admitted ultimately not to be guilty ; but his liberation is not enough, after three weeks' de tention on such a ridiculous charge. He ought to obtain redress for his lost time, his wounded feelings, and his unmerited sufferings. Till we saw the admission of the judicial authorities of Mecklenburg in this case, we were not aware that even the subjects of the Grand Duchy could be prevented from religious immersion ; but surely, whatever rule be adopted respecting na tives, foreigners ought not to be subject to per secution on the ground of any innocent religious doctrine, tenet, or ceremony. We are willing to admit that where any public profession of a creed, or any open practice of a religious rite, is prohibited, without a special exception in fa vour of strangers, the latter are liable to all the penalties for transgressing the law which are inflicted on natives ; but, at any rate, mere fimiliarity or friendship with persons under a charge of heresy should never be construed into an evidence of guilt, or afford a ground for de tention and vexation. We again say, that the affair deserves further investigation, and recom mend it to the attention of Lord Palmerston, who heard enough of Prussian vexations exer cised on British subjects last year to warrant a vigilant superintendence of British rights among all the States of Germany—great and small.— Times. We gave yesterday, in a paragraph, an ac count of the disgraceful disturbances which took place at Carmarthen on Monday, the Ist inst., on occasion of the election of the civil officers of the borough. We have since seen a more particular description of the riot in the Welch man of Friday last, a liberal paper published in that town. The circumstances detailed in both narratives are nearly the same, and reflect equal d;sgrace on the corporation and the magistracy of the place. We certainly never heard of more outrageous proceedings, —of more wanton pro vocations to breaches of the peace,—or of greater indifference to restore order, than are displayed in the conduct of the corporation and its par tisans. In the first place they exclude the re spectable part of the citizens from any share in the election of their office-bearers. 'They se cure their own nomination by outvoters ; and, as the inhabitants naturally express dissatisfaction at the exercise of such a monopoly, they add op pression and tyranny to a deprivation of rights. On the day of the pretended election, they put bludgeons into the hands of the neighbouring col liers, to answer by blows on the head all those who choose to use their tongues against them ; and when the crowd takes part with a child, barbar ously maltreated by one of their partisans, they allow him to retreat to his own stronghold, and amuse himself for several hours by firing from his window on the dissatisfied remonstrants be low. A deputation is sent to obtain an order for the apprehension of this person and the dis persion of the crowd ; but the corporation are at their dinner, and cannot be disturbed ! The offender is, however, at last taken by a courageous constable—not in the corporation interest; he is detained for a few days, and though seven per sons were wounded with shot, he is liberated without being brought to trial ! Such are the facts alleged in the Carmarthen Paper of the sth inst. They demand, and must produce, inquiry. In this specific case there must follow specific redress and punishment ; and the occasion must be seized for showing the evils of self-election, and applying a general legislative remedy to a most crying abuse.— Times. It was always till lately taken for granted, that monarchical splendour was much more costly than republican simplicity. This proposition was, however, controverted some time ago, in the case of the United States, in the Quarterly Review, when it was maintained quite seriously, that when the expenses of the several Local Go vernments were added to that of the General Government, and when allowance should be made for the extraordinary amount of money levied from the people by the preachers of the different sects, it would be found that, excluding the interest on the National Debt, the people of England were, actually less burthened than the people of the United States. Nay, a French Minister in the Chamber of Deputies lately stated, that the people of France w ere not only less taxed than the people of England, but less taxed than the people of America. This has startled the people of the United States, who are at a loss to dis cover how the substitution of a King and Court, with Lord Stewards, Lout Chamberlains, &c. &c., to a President without any Court—how expensive Diplomatic Establishments at every Court of Europe—how the having Bishops with princely fortunes, and Deans and Chapters, &c., in addition to ministers of flocks—could by any possibility reduce their burdens. The ,claim of superior cheapnes s has, however, been ad vanced so positively for Europe, that the Yankees are considerin g what would be the effect of its being established. A circular from Mr. Edward Livingston, Secretary of the United States' Government, one of their most distinguished Statesmen, recommending inquiries with a view to settle the question, has caused no small sen sation. " We guess (says the Portland Daily Courier) the Yankees will hardly take a King yet, let them come ever so cheap." The Governor of the State of Marne has give publicity to Mr. Livineston's circular, and as the public will look forward with much anxiety to the issue of the trial between Republicanism and Monarchy, we here lay before our readers this singular com munication : " Augusta, August 15, 1532. " compliance with the request of the Hon. Edward Livingston, Secretary of State of the United States, I transmit to you the accompanying Circular, for the purpose of obtaining your answers to the several ques tions therein particularly stated. The importance of the desired information, and the object of the Secretary in re questing it, will fully appear by the following extracts from a letter from him directed to me. . . " Sir—A controversy has arisen of some interest to the reputation of our country, and - which may effect that of representative governments every where. It is asserted that citizens of the United States pay a greater amount of taxes in proportion to their population tha❑ the subjects of France, from which the conclusion is drawn that the re otblican form of government is more expensive than the monarchical. I have been requested to collect facts that may elucidate this question. To do it, the necesary in formation must be procured from each State, and each town anti county in it. " This will certainly be attended with some trouble, but I have thought that reliance might be pladed on your exertions to effect it for your State, even if it should answer no other end than that of determining the truth or falsehood of the position ; but much snore important benefits will resu:t from it. " First, as to your own State, it will give you a mass of f i scal statistics, the collection of which cannot but be highly useful to your Legislature, enabling them to com pare the different modes of apportioning the public burdens in the towns, counties, and cities of the State, and thus correcting abuse, selecting the best mode of laying the local and general charges, so as to produce economy in the expenditures and equality in the burdens of the citizens. This information, collected in a tabular form, has not, it is believed, been in any State yet submitted to the Legisla- ,ure or the Public. " Secondly, in relation to the Union, when the infor mation has been received from the several States which it is the object of this inquiry to get from each, tables of the returns will be sent to every State, thus affording to all a condensed view of the burdens borne by the citizens of the Stat s respectively, and enabling them to profit by the good and avoid the evil in the respective modes of laying ,m 1 collecting taxes and other public contributions. For the purpose of obtaining the desired information from the cities, towns, and other local divisions, I inclose printed queries, which 1 beg the favour of you to have sent to the proper officers, or other persons, to have them answered and returned to me. (Signed) v " EDWARD LIVINGSTON." " The obvious importance of the requested information, not only to the State, but to the Uniou, will, I am confi dent, have the effect to procure from you the desired an swers, so far as the facts are known or can be ascertained by you. It will be perceived that your answers are re quested, as soon as may be convenient, to be directed to the Secretary of State of the United States, at Washington, D. C.—l am, Sir, respectfully, your obedient servant, " SAMUEL E. SMITH." CIRCULAR.—CITY OR TOWN. " 1. What is the average amount of taxes, of all kinds, levied in your town, for the last three years, for town ex penses, independent of State and county taxes, and to what purpose is it applied ? " 2. What is the number of Clergymen, of all denomi nations, actually residing in your city (or town)? and what is the aggregate amount of the salaries they receive? "3. Are the roads made by day labour? If so, how many days' labour are assessed on the whole town in each year? What is the value of such labour per day? "4. What is the price of labour in your town by the month throughout the year, board included ? What by the day? What in harvest? "5. What is the price of board per week for a labour- ing man? " 6. Are your poor supported in poor-houses, or out in private families; is it a coun , v or town charge; if the latter, what is the average in the last three years ? " 7. Is there any town tax for the support of schools, and what is the amount? How many schools, academies, and colleges are there in your town, and how many pupils each ? "8. Have you any public libraries,and what number of volumes do they contain ? " 9. How many daily and weekly papers are printed in your town? " 10. What are the names of your city, or town, and State ? " Be pleased to give, your answers to these questions as soon as may be convenient, and direct them to me at Wash ington, D. C. " EDWARD LIVINGSTON." Mr. Hume has often called attention to the unfair mode in which the revenue accounts of this country are stated, the expenses of collec tion, equal to the revenue of many a great kingdom, being deducted from the income en tered in the accounts. This makes the burthens Hof the people appear lower than they really are. But if the tithes, and local taxation of all kinds paid by the people of England, be added to the pubic revenue, what an enormous amount of money is every year taken from them ! Why ;he burthens of all kinds levied in the little Re public of London must, at least, exceed the local revenue of the most expensive of the State Go vernments of America. We trust that some in dividuals will take the hint from this circular of .\lr. Livingston, and endeavour to ascertain what the people of this kingdom actually pay for general and local purposes. Some parts of the revenue cannot be known ; we allude to the re venue of the King as Duke of Lancaster, &c. It would be well to be able to meet the Secre tary- of the United States with a statement cor responding to his own, as far as it can be made out. Of course there are several branches of expenditure in America unknown in England. We pay largely, for instance, for the punishment of the people, but nothing for their education. On the contrary, schools are a heavy item in America. In England, too, the State provides no courts of justice fbr the people, and the expenses of prosecuting criminals are thrown on the suf ferers (partly charged on the County Rate); whereat: in America justice is brought to every man's door. But still the comparison will be exceedingly instructive,—Morning Chronicle. We are no friends to the vote by ballot, nor to that tort of interference on the part of land lords which h2s a tendency to force the vote by ballot into public favour as a measure of self defence. In the abstract we disapprove of con cealment, because it looks like unmanly, fear ; but if the constituency be once persuaded that such concealment is necessary to protect them and their families against the vengeance of their landlords, when they cannot agree with the latter as to the fitness of a particular candidate to re present them—if the constituency be once per sieded of this, it is not any thing that we can say will convince them that an experiment ought not to be tried which promises to secure them against injury and oppression. Those therefore, be they Whig or Tory,who brae no other principle to guide them in their conduct towards a class of persons ei4lt!ed to the exercise of political rights, as well as themselves, should hesitate to push matters to an extreme which may end in the overthrow of their abused authority. The ballot—the secret vote—is the remedy suggested from all quarters—nay, from the head-quar ters—from the Master of the Qrdnance himself, as the most effectual check that can be opposed to the tyranny of landlords. The only question is, whether landlords will, by their perseentions, at opo supply the argument and create the spirit th 4 will sweep away their influence foi ever ? It w,o.uld be well in this mixed Govern ment to preserve their leg4imate influence ; but if they seek to establish a domination to which they have no title, it will be in vain to tall:: of the manliness of encountering danger, or the virtue of undergoing martyrdom, when not only the instinct of self-preservation, but some of the best feelings of the human heart, cry out against the rashness of those who would expose themselves and their families to utter ruin, when they could escape by con cealment and without guilt. Some of the Whigs have been charged with this sort of ty ranny to which we have been alluding. A Cor respondent of our own has directly imputed it to the Marquis of Westminster. But we expect it will be contradicted, and that the Marquis and his friends will be rbliged to us for affording an opportunity to such contradiction. At all events it is obvious that, with the power which the people have recently obtained, and with the spirit which is every day becoming stronger and stronger, it will be in vain to think of treating them any longer either as children or fools. There is a great principle now at work, and those who think of turning it to their own ad vantage by stealing a march upon the privi leges of the people, will find that they have not only mistaken the signs of the tunes, but the force of circumstances and the character of the country.—Morning Herald. Mr. Hume, poor man—we hope his shoul ders are broad enough to bear the infliction—is catching it from all quarters. A morning co temporary, the friend of his Majesty's Ministers —to whom Mr. Hume gave the most able and efficient support during the discussion of the Reform Bill—and the friend of Reform, if words be the proof of thoughts and wishes, seems to reckon him among its most favourite subjects of attack; and an evening journal, the servant and slave of the conservatives, is no less brilliant and vigorous in its attacks. But to what does their opposition amount, or rather, on what is it based? Why, simply and solely on this, that Mr. Hume, the advocate of economy and retrenchment, allowed, according to his own confession, various bills, smacking neither of economy or retrenchment, to pass the House of Commons during the last Session of Parliament, in order that he might not, by his own just opposition to them, add to the embarrassment inflicted on his Ma- jesty's Ministers by the unjust and vexatious oppositio❑ of the Anti-Reformers. The charge is correct. Mr. Hume was guilty of the con duct imputed to him ; but who that is aware of the value of Reform would not rather support than oppose him on that account ? If it be a sound maxim to choose the least of two evils, the Member for Middlesex acted unquestionably as he ought to have done—he let the waste of the public money drop, as the minor evil, and supported the Reform Bill as the greater good. Of' the principle generally on which he acted, no one can possibly approve ; but for the particular application made of it, Mr. flume deserves the highest credit. We dare to say, that he can do as well without the honour of representing Mid dlesex, as Middlesex can do without the honour of being represented by him ; but will it do ho nour to the county to reject such a candidate ? Will it not be a disgrace upon it if it allow such a see-saw Reformer as Lord Henley to oust the best friend that Reform has ever had ?—Morn ing Advertiser. The evidence seems to accumulate that the Whig Ministers have at length fully made up their minds to propitiate the revolutionists and infidels who have been threatening them with a fatal desertion of their banners, by the abolition of the Church of England, and the appropria tion of its revenues to make up the deficieney of the national income which their agitating and dis organizing policy has occasioned. In order to prepare the public mind for this second step in the career of revolution, the leading organ of the Administration has put forth what may be consi dered as the manifesto of the King's Government against that Church, whose rights, privileges, and immunities, as by law established, the King and his Ministers have solemnly sworn to maintain and defend. After urging with much zeal and warmth, if not with much ability or vigour, the argument which has often before been advanced by certain classes of Dissenters from the Church, that those only should be called upon to contribute to the maintenance of the Establishment who derive direct and personal advantage from its services, the Times sums up its reasoning, or rather con cludes its invective, by what it obviously means to pass for a roll of its boasted thunder, but what will be generally mistaken we imagine for a clatter of impudent, unprincipled, and absurd abuse : "It cannot he denied that the prevalence of corrupt pa tronage throughout the whole of our ecclesiastical system, the subserviency of Bishops to Ministers and patrons, and 1 the political character thence imparted to the whole Insti tution, must be regarded as the main and living source of that strong current of animosity with which most Church offences have been contemplated. It is not merely the reason of the country which rejects what is indefensible iu the groundwork of the system, but its indignation, which is justly roused at the vileness of the ends, and of many of the parties for whose sake these abstract vices in the Ec clesiastical Constitution have been cherished. It will be wrested out of their guidance, if Goverment and the Le gislature do not grapple with this grave su ,, ject at once. The connection of Church and State, instead of a maxim of policy, has already become a popular by-word." These general accusations prove nothing against the Hierarchy of the Church of Eng land ; they show only that it has the merit of reckoning among its inveterate and malignant enemies revolutionists of all classes, from the Mi nisters of the Crown, the electioneering interests of whose partisans its Ministers throughout the country refuse to support, to the conductors of the Times newspaper, the chief of whom has found the influence of the clergy in Berkshire a formidable impediment to the success of his im pudent pretension to the representation of that county. The Ministers of the Crown and the writers who are subservient to the gratification of their resentment against the Church, or of their rapacious desire to confiscate its property, know full well that the separation of the Church and State is an enterprise as much beyond their ca pacity or their daring as it is repugnant to their duty and their oaths. They know that it cannot be effected without a total overthrow of the whole fabric of our civil institutions. They know that there is less of corruption and abuse in the Church at the present moment than at any former period of its history, and that at no period whatever did there exist any abuses or corrup tion to justify so violent a remedy as that of which they speak. They know that the con nection of the Church with the State could not be dissolved without producing a gradual de basement of the social condition of the ministers of religion of every seat and persuasion, without lessening in a degree which no man can calculate the influence of sober and regulated piety among the community at large, without leaving consi derable portions of the community destitute altogether of the aids and consolations of reli gion. They )snow that the only classes of the people whom they can gratify, by holding out as they do the prospect of destruction to the Church, are the friends of confusion and the ealots of infidelity. They know, above all, that cc the lifsmeasure which they threaten to om would give a momentum to the accomplish h tal wheel of revolution, under which it must of necessity continue to act, until the whole flame of society shall have been torn to pieces, and the populace ;shall have become satiated with spoliation and bloodshed. Minis ters and their adherents cannot but know all this; and yet, merely because the elections are going against them, and they are aware that their failure is owing, in fact, to the just and beneficial influence of the Clergy, whose confi dence they have not obtained or deserved, they do not hesitate to hold out to the Church the menace—to supply to anarchists and infidels the allurement and the stimulus—of despoiling the Hierarchy, and separating the Church from the State. Those who complain of the political cha racter imparted to our ecclesiastical institutions are so plainly inconsistent with themselves that they cannot expect credit for sincerity. In a free country like this all men and all institutions must of necessity have a political character. The real cause of complaint is, not that the Bishops and clergy are politicians, but that they are not such politicians as the Whig Ministers and the Times. The Sectarian clergy are politicians, and exercise much political influence too ; but of this we neither hear nor make any complaint. That the Times should impute the political character of the Church, of which it so furiously complains, to the subserviency of its bishops to Ministers and patrons, must excite some surprise in the present day, when certainly the Right Reverend Bench have not much distinguished themselves by subserviency to Ministers and pa trons. Had they been more subservient, and less independent and conscientious, the Church might probably, for a brief space at least, have escaped the enmity of the Times and its Minis ters and patrons.—Morning Post. POLICE INTELLIGENCE. MANSION-HO USE. The churchwarden of the parish of St. Ethel burizha yesterday summoned four of the inhabitant householders, for church and poor-rates. A waterman (one of the defendants), by whom a small sum was due for the church-rate and the poor rate, stated that the churchwarden dealt very hardly with him in this case. lie had assured that officer, upon being applied to for the rates, that he would pay the amount without fail on Thursday next, and he had exhibited documents to prove that he could not discharge the demand until that time, as he re ceived his salary at specified periods. He never expected that the churchwarden would be so un merciful as to issue a summons against him, the ex penses attending which would be 55., added to which was the loss of his day. He begged to know whether the practice was not rather too sharp. The LORD MAYOR—At what time will you be able to pay ? Defendant—On Thursday next, the day I proposed, my Lord; I shall certainly pay it then. The LORD MAYOR—I dare say no objection will be made. Mr. Moore (the churchwarden)—He promised before. Thursday was then appointed for the payment of the rates. A female of respectable appearance was the next person called upon. She WAS in debt the sum of Bs. for the rates, and Mr. Moore said that she had frequently promised- him the amount, but as often disappointed him. Mr. Hobler (to the defendant)—Why didn't you endeavour to pay this little demand; you will have ss. more to pay now ? Defendant—lt is out of my power, my Lord. I knew that the summons would increase the expense, but what can I do when I have no means ? The LORD MAYOR—At what time will you be able to pay it ? Defendant—ln a month I shall be able ; I am afraid not sooner. The LORD MAYOR—WeII, I have no doubt the churchwarden will give you till that time. The third defendant appeared excessively indig nant at being summoned. He assured the Lord Mayor that-he had promised to pay the churchwar den on Saturday. Mr. Moore—You know you have promised me before ? Defendant—Never in my life, I solemnly declare. I am known by all the neighbourhood never to break my word. Mr. Moore—l am glad to hear it. The LORD MAYOR—WeII, when will you be able to pay? Defendant—Oa Saturday, my Lord, most undoubtedly. I don't want to break my word. I told him so, and it is most unfair to put .me to the additional expense of the summons. Mr. Hobler-I'd have you all be punctual, for the next proceeding is the seizure of your goods. The LORD MAYOR, as soon as the case was heard, said to Mr. Hobler—" It is rather sharp practice, indeed." Mr. Hob ler—lt is, any Lord, an impolitic prae !ice too. It is not calculated to serve the interests of !he church. About six weeks ago, a woman, who has been notoriously on the town for some time, was picked up in the street, where she lay blind drunk, and taken to the watchhouse. Upon her person was found 101. in cash, and, as she belonged to the lowest order of prostitutes, it was at once concluded that she had robbed some unfortunate drunken man. When she came to herself she was taken before the Lord Mayor and examined, and she said that she had received the money from a resident of North Shields, named John Haggerston, who had owed it to her before she fell into misfortunes. The Lord Mayor directed that inquiry should be made about the money, and that ss. should be given to the woman in the mean time. The woman, the moment she got the 55., went from gin-shop to gin-shop to cotnfort herself; and on that very night was found blind drunk again, and carried to her old quarters at the watchhouse. About a week afterwards she applied at the jus tice-room for the cash, or some part of it, and the Lord Mayor directed that .ss. should be given to her, but refused to let her have more until more par ticular inquiry should be made. His Lordship cautioned her against getting drunk a third time, and reproved her for the vile habit of drinking, which made her tremble like an aspen leaf. She curtsied, and promised to take the kind advice. She had, however, another nap in the street that night, and finished it in the watchhouse. On Monday she appeared again, and asked whether there had been any other claimant for the money. She came, she said, with her husband, in order that they might take care of the property between them, and keep each other from taking a drop too much; and she hoped that Jack Haggerston's debt would no longer be withheld. The LORD MAYOR, having consulted with Mr. nobler, said, that if no other claimant appeared for a week, he would give her the money. She was perfectly satisfied at this assurance, but requested a few shillings for her present exigencies. She had, she declared, given up drinking altogether, and would take nothing in future but a drop of " heavy." The LORD MAYOR, although incredulous, ordered her ss. more, and she and her husband went in the usual direction across the street, and she bad the so i s cuetion of being conveyed along with her help mate to the watchhouse, for one night's more te pose. The LORD MAYOR said that the pair appeared to be incorrigible, and he supposed that if they were to receive the money in question, they would keep up the game until they spent every farthing. He would, howeve r, inflict a penalty of ss. each, in future, for every such violation of decency. G UILDIMLL. Alfr e d Cooke, who was convicted of a f e l on y at the last Session s, Old Bailey, and whose sentence had been modified upon an application to the Secretary of State, was brought up from Newgate yesterday be fore Mr. Alderman LUCAS, and entered into a recog nizance in the sum of 4001. to quit the United King dom of Great Britain and Ireland within the space of 30 days, and not to return thereto for seven years, to be computed from the date of his conviction. Two sureties in 2001., with the like condition, had been taken in his behalf the day before. BOW-ST.REET. Several informations against publicans residing in the neighbourhood of this office, for harbouring per sons of notoriously bad character at late hours of the night, and suffering gambling, &c., were yesterday brought before the magistrates, Sir F. ROE and Mr. MINSHULL. The defendants were convicted in every instance, and fined according to the circum stances under which they had offended. Rowbottoni, the owner of the well-known " Fi nish," in James-street, Covent-garden, appeared to answer an information which charged him with hav ing had his house open between 4 and 5 o'clock on the morning of the sth instant, under the pretence of selling ready-made coffee, the act directing that no coffee-41ops shall be opened before 6 o'clock in the morning between Michaelmas and Lady-day. The defendant pleaded " Guilty." Sir F. ROE should fine the defendant in the full penalty of 101., and in default of payment commit him for two months to the House of Correction. Rowbottom applied subsequently to the Magis :rate for a mitigation of the fine, urging his inability :0 pay so large — a sum at so short a notice. Sir F. ROE—I shall not be trifled with in this way. Gaoler, take the defendant into custody, and send him to prison in the van. To avoid this unpleasant alternative Rowbottom took 10 sovereigns from his pocket, and placed them on the bench before the Magistrate. MARY LEB ONE. Yesterday, Mr. Hutchinson, the overseer of Ma rylebone parish, waited upon Mr. RAWLINSON, the sitting Magistrate, to ask his advice as to the best way he should _ act under the following circum stances :—Some time back the parish authorities of Marylebone procured a warrant of bastardy against William Dabney, a corporal of the Ist Regiment of Coldstream Guards, but were unable to appre hend him in consequence of his keeping aloof and being assisted in doing so by the officers of the re giment. On that occasion, finding all efforts una vailing, Colonel Woodford was repeatedly applied to on the subject, but he refused to produce Dab ney (a course generally pursued in such cases), and informed the parish officers that they must appre hend the corporal when they saw him, in the same way that they would a common mechanic. Things went on in this way for several month., until at length the Colonel was induced to cause Dabney to appear before the Magistrates, that an order of affi liation might be served upon him, and which was accordingly done. The parish however were then no nearer their mark, for the corporal has neglected to comply with the terms of the order, and a second warrant has been issued for his apprehension, which is as little regarded by Colonel Woodford as the first. He (Mr. Hutchinson), therefore, solicited the Magistrate's advice how to act under such cir cumstances, and wished to know whether the civil authorities were to be thus openly set at defiance by the military. He then requested Read, the work house messenger, who holds the warrants, to make a brief statement to the Magistrate of the manner in which he had been treated. Read, in consequence of what Colonel Woodford had told him on the former occasion, had kept a sharp look-out for the corporal, and saw him the week before last, standing inside the gates of the Portman barracks, but on attempting to take him into custody he was thrust back by the guard on duty, and Dabney allowed to make his escape. He immediately applied to Mr. HOSKINS, the Magis trate of this office, for his assistance, and that gen tleman ordered an assault warrant to be issued against the guard for obstructing him in the execu tion of his duty. Since that time, however, Dutch, Alderson, Key, and indeed all the officers of this establishment, and himself, had been repeatedly to the Portman-barracks to endeavour to put the war rants in force, but on making known their business (not being able to gain admittance until that was done), they were surrounded by Dabney's com rades, and he was invariably rescued from them. In short, it was an utter impossibility either to appre hend him or the guard who committed the assault. Read added, that he had also two similar warrants against men belonging to the same regiment, sta tioned at the King's-mews barracks, and he de spaired of being able to execute them. Mr. RAWLINSON, after hearing the above state ment, should be happy to lend Mr. Hutchinson any assistance in his power, and directed Mr. Fell, the chief-clerk, to write immediately to Colonel Wood ford on the subject, and desire him to produce the men. HATTON-GARDEN. Yesterday Mary Sharpe, a fine-looking young woman, fashionably attired, was finally examined on two separate charges of having uttered 51. notes, purporting to be of the Bank of England, knowing them to be forged.—Committed. QUEEN-SQUARE. Yesterday this office was crowded by the pa rishioners of the united parishes of St. Margaret and St. John, to hear the decision of Mr. MARRIOTT on several summonses against the late overseers and churchwardens, for not paying poor rates, &c., dur ing the time they were in office. There were 13 defendants, and the whole amount claimed of them by the new overseers, !ately elected in the parish since the adoption of the new Vestry Act, amounted to 1141. 13s. At the request of the defendants, the cases were adjourned from last week, until they had time to have legal advice upon the subject. Mr. Rogers, a solicitor, attendel on behalf of the parish, and Mr. Adolphus attended for Mr. Thatcher, one of the defendants, who was church warden in 1828, and who was summoned for the sum of .5/. I6i. 4d. Mr. Stephenson, the Vestry Clerk, proved the rate due by the defendant to the parish in 1828; the rate was signed by Mr. Thatcher, who was then church warden. Mr. Rogers said, that it had been the custom for years past to exempt all the overseers, church wardens, beadles, sexton, and other parochial offi cers, from the payment of parochial rates during the time they were- in office, which amounted to a considerable sum of money. In 1828 the matter was taken up, and some of the officers paid, and some did not. _ _ Mr. Adolphus, in defending his client, com plained that certain parties should be singled out -; and he knew not by what rule the overseers had only summoned those persons who had served since 1828. Why did they not go farther back, and summon others who had served the office previous to 1828, for the Statute of Limitations did not af fect the payment of poor-rates ? Mr. MARRIOTT said, that whether the present overseers ought to have gone farther back than 1828, and summoned others as well, was a ques tion with which the Magistrates had nothing to do. The only question before him was, whether the de fendant was liable to pay the rate while he was in office in 1828, and he was decidedly of opinion that there was no ground whatever for exemption. Mr. Adolphus said, that after that opinion his cli ent would immediately pay the rate; there would be no occasion to issue warrants against any of the gentlemen who had been summoned, as they would immediately pay the demand. Mr. Rogers observed, that although he appeared against Mr. Thatcher, he was his personal friend,, and he served in office with him; the only differ ence was, that when the rate was demanded of hirri, lie, conceiving it to be just, paid it; Mr. Thatcher was of a diErent opinion, and did not. Mr. MARRIOTT said that he was happy everything was so amicably arranged. The decision appeared to give very great satis faction. THAMES-POLICE. Yesterday, upwards of 100 persons were sum moned before Mr. BALLANTINE and Mr. BRODERIP, for arrears of poor-rates, due to the parish of Si. Botolph Without, Aldgate. The parties summoned consisted principally of Irishmen, whose appearande was the most filthy that could be imagined, and every person who happened to be present kept aloof \ from them as much as possible. A more miserabl e spectacle'than the greater portion of these wretche d beings exhibited, who have so long existed in the midst of filth, cannot p oss ibly b e conce i ve d ; the statement of the p aroc hi a l aut h or i t i es , t h a t till cholera had made sad havoc in the neighbourh o ° where they lived. excited no surprise; the only woo' der was, that it had not carried off more victims. The overseers stated, that in the numerous courti , alleys, and narrow streets leading, out of Rosemarr lane, there were nearly 300 small houses and terse merits, which had for many years been without Ol t legal owners, and others h a d b een th e su bj e cts suits in Chancery, and suffered to fall to decii:, For a long time past th e lo wer or d ers o f I r i s h gal Jews had taken possession of these houses, and ev ercised all the rights of ownership, converting them into nightly lodging-houses, where the very dregs ° society resorted. Wh en a c l a i m f or rates or toe' was made, the occupiers, who thought they hail a right to live rate-free as well as rent-free, evade, payment by closing the house or " freehold," a' these places were called, and sold the key for 21.° 11 31. to the first purchaser they met with, and wh ° ' in the course of time, had recourse to the saa le plan, so that the " freeholds" were constantly, changing tenants. Besides this, the parish had long been saddled wil h the expense of removing 105 11 paupers, who resorted to these houses, arid wl' ° ; after a night's lodging at 2d. or 3d. a head, claime d relief the next day. Th e ex p ense o f remov i ng Iris' paupers last year amounted to nearly 6001., and du r ing the preceding six weeks they had passed no lee than 400, who had only been in the parish 0 1 night. The houses were all in a filthy state, sa many of them were in a tumbl e -d own con di t i on , and threatened destruction to the inmates, who were re" gardless of the impending danger. The defaulters,wbo were ushered in one at a tiale' all declared their inability to pay any rates or taxe` l A ' and a few said they wond ere d h ow suc h a dor sal' could be made for their " freeholds," for which 00 rent was ever demanded. Mr. BALLANTINE said, that was the very 'vas° they should pay the poor-rates, an d th e y had n° more right to live in those houses th an h e h a d. I le put this question to every one summoned, " Whe did you pay any rent last ?"—" Oh, not for sever', ten, or twenty yea's," was the general reply, and few said they had succeeded their brother or s ister in the " freehold estate." Mr. Smith, the collector, said these last-mentione d parties had bought the key of their relatives, • ran away when a levy for the rates was threaten': Mr. BALLANTINE and Mr. BROD ERIP said t he rates must be paid, and unless th e y were th e y wo ul d immediately sign warrants of distress. The nuisance had already existed too long, and must be put dovis' The defaulters said they must go to th e wor khous e if payment was enforced. Mr. M`Lachlan said that many of the defendan t° subsisted entirely by letting o u t st raw -b e d s by sb e night to mendicants, thieves, and others, a nd solv e were amassing large sums by this system. The office was then cleared, and, as a measure rft f precaution, well purified and sprinkled with chlorid e of lime before other business commenced. UNION-HALL. Yesterday a respectable solicitor attended at th il office, for the purpose of making the following 9 r, plication :—He stated that a short time ago a youot man named Brown arrived in town from Somerse t ' shire, and, happening to see a money-lender's adve l r tisement, he was induced to try a n d o bt a i n a n ou vance of 1001., being in want of cash at the tire° He accordingly applied by letter to the advertise e ,.; and after a correspondence it was agreed that 0 borrower should have the required sum, upon Or ing his acceptances for 50/. each, payable at a 91 :: pulated time. References as to respectability vie,,r o to be given on both sides, and the advertiser, vol called himself Mr. Horton, referred to Mr. Eber e i the bookseller, in Bond-street. Mr. Brown, h e ' lieving he was in treaty with a monied and spectable man, enclosed his two acceptances for d';"' each to the advertiser, who, by a written corninan[' cation, had agreed to discount the bill s on b e i n g", lowed 12 per cent. disco un t. Af ter t h e a d vert i° got possession of the bills, he dropped all ogr e ; spondetice with Mr. Brown, who then beefo e d Maimed for the fate of his acceptances, O s , called at Mr. Ebers's, wh ere u p on i nqu i r y he informed that a person named Horton had latteil become a quarterly subscriber to their library, he had left a few shillings there to pay the poSIM of letters, and that was all they k new about 111 " ) 0 It was subsequently ascertained that Mr. Hon e d assumed another name when occasion required, 0 ; although every exertion had been made to trace t " gentleman," to get back the bills he had tio d d e ; taken to discount,yet it was unattended with sucee7 o . and the object of hi s ( t h e so li c i tor ' s ) applicatioct was, to request the Magistrates' advice how to in the affair. He added, that he was aware of t e e very foolish man ne r i n w hi c h M r . B rown h a d act • in the transaction, in giving his acceptances l° 4 ; stranger with whom eve n he h a d h a d no i n tervie w and for this piece of folly at was very probable t he advertising money-l e nd er h a d s i nce negot iated bills, and converted the money to his own use. mi l Mr. CHAMBERS said th a t th e y oung man acted with great incaution in the affair, and me° mended an advertisement of the bill s i n the oe ei , papers, cautioning the public not to discount the' MEETINGS OF CREDITORS, AT THE COURT, BASINGHALL-STREET (From the London Gazelle.) TO-MORROW, OCT, 11. 1" fi t W. G. Clover, Holburn, linen-draper DIVIDENDS. W. Grant, Jermyn.street, St. James's, cabinet-maker....... H. Wardall, jun., Old Gravel-lane, wine-merchant ......... , J. Clothier, Wilmot-street, Brunswick-square WOO merchant .................................................................. ' J. Burke, Mitre Tavern, Greenwich, victualler ............. The exterior of the Banquetting-house, dr hall, is at last finished ; and the end of it next to Iv' . e i crave-house, which heretofor , ! displayed brick-work, op altogether altogether a dirty and very irregul )1. appearance, has b stuccoed, so that the whole building presents a more form view than it ever did before. DISTURBANCE AT CARNIARTH E—Isr 8 — 0 ,4 Carmarthen paper contains an account of a disturb 3 o „ that took place on Monday last in Carmarthen, in C°l o o. l quence of a large party of the inhabitants being oPP to the appointments of the new Mayor and officers . ot combat took place between a party of constables a' ij he 'o; populace, the latter of who m were enrage d at a boY wantonly struck on the head. One constable , 0 )il Davis, who keeps a public-house, fired a pistol fro' o t window, upon which the mob attempted to pull do° V house (the St ar an d G arter ). S evera l s h o t s were t or t fired, principally f rom hi s h ouse , an d sev e n person' ' e s' wounded. The Carmarthen paper, the TV elchma n presses great indignation at the conduct of the Magi 9tr ol who, it is s lid, were at dinner, and would take no 0 ° to preserve the peace of the town. It also states that special constables, composed of colliers brought frol3i4n adjacent neighbourhood, adopted every means to 0 6 ` e er rate the peop'e. The Mayor and Magistrates are io tigating the affair, but charges of partiality are del against them ; and it is stated that they have dilon o i' the complaints against DAVIS and other parties for P r p ep though they have committed two respectable tradl ,l ,ei for being concerned in an attack on DAVIS'S house ; parties they have since liberated, first exacting exces_si.2.le// 13IRTHS. 10 ° ' On the Bth inst. at Rempstone, the Lady Caroline Ca le a daughter. On the sth inst. at Waterinlaury, Kent, Mrs. Lancaste 4 da On hter. g the 6th inst. Mrs. Henry Shearman, Strand, of af‘2lY . MARRIED. ter R. On the 9th inst. at Woodford, Peter, eldest son of .e,rlio lard, Esq., to Elizabeth, youngest daughter of the Rev. Jr , Bourdillon, of the same place. l ire On the 9th inst. at Christ Church, Marylebone, HYIN t er seph Esq , of Antwerp, to Miss Dorothy Cover d daughter of Captain Wm. Eatwell, of Hampton Wick. DIED. On the 7th inst. in Green Park buildings, Bath, Owe- Esq., formerly of Eyton, Denbighshire, aged 70 years.„. ln il On the Bth init. in his 81st year, the Rev. Robert 03 04 of Kensington-square, D.D., Vicar of St. Olave's, Jewry, Martin's, lronmonger-lane, F.R.S., &c. ut eli On the 19th ult. at Lurgan, County Armagh, First Lie George Boscawen, Royal Engineers. PRINTED AND PUBLISHED BY MURDO YOUNG, —1 SUN OFFICE, 112, STRAND, LONDON.