The Sun. — London, England, 1811-06-19 00:00:00

-07,-----,---- , , c t io n, . Du! wit note thisiielininiorousvourse ro.,.proert._ 8. svgs i . .t . Was the stirest it ,k a; not ()LIS, otttleceht try--I excell lo s, oil men. We had some regiments w ho i tti without h i ()fliers who sunk hy it i but Nve - it ! t a i t e l 11 Pe when siiixeediid in their endeavours to equic,it:. gall.intry they :, told enin!ate by the nse ) 1 'thee f - au " . '"hle•lails. He shiltild feel himself gull)) , o °a afro' ustice, if he ' , mitten to . mcntinn the illu,.s- . t er who-had trion, instance. of - the 'Duke ot Glieices , I "tlicated as me)) good sense as bumanity, lit anti ),,,ni ng the discipline o f hi s ' reg i ment for rhr me years „without having recourse to such A method. ."'Untor tenately t h e r e were instances on the contrary ; one i t'at hilt of a reg i ment as distinguished at,d ss'id'e - ike in the held, as it wa s p eacea ble and rt , et out of i.., a, he meant 'lie f sth Lido . Dragoons. • It was 'a a melancholy faii, 11, it inorepunkhinent s h a d t a k er, c elder since 4 Noble Dliktl had obtained the com mani , than fur a long period before, those fatal and Igoorant not iti cOnserinkince bl ions. :Thetitt veal, ':ow , --. ever, a consolation in thinking, that the ' present C"linuander in Chien Way anxious ti' get rill 01 '''' BY,leni, and it would he an ntiustice to 111 e known benevolence opt.o f th e P r i nce Regent to, so s , •! 1 1 1 ' 1 flo +kis not htl favourable to such an improvement a .d s Ls Royal &oilier. Another instance he wc ul was the D u k e o f G rafton ' s regiment, which toll Euston had maintained in disiipltne and 'rgu ?bray wiiho ut t h e ass is tance of the cat-o'-nine-`tails.' 3 " hoped that Gentlemen would concur in 'his mo tion, wh ch was, said ;bust.in reality, no more th an g i v in g el-' fed to theclause of the Mutiny;bust.t. It might be , that a stron g case ought to be made out before he could with propriety call for the interference a 1 the H ntibet -but though strong cages were easy. . , enough on such an occasion, he should content hilliself with statieg • a taw. His infouna•ion was .. fr ail persons of whose veracity be bad. no doubt , at the sam e ti me he could not pledge himself for the truth of all, as he did not speak from his own expo. • rie i • ' bce lie slii.ulil not mention the tmnes of the Parties from whom he nerd ed his in tbrination. al- , al though lie had their pertllission 10 do 'so, UnicSi I,,'"e• di a dißpOsittoti to gn Into a general inquiry. " ne e ,l 4 v.) had ii,eri uppli-d to him by the Surgeon ' . .. °la : r erginierr, which ht Ihmight would have some weigin in persuadini, the [loose, that a regrown .. °ll ,g,b l to be i mposecron t tie prittnee...The Case • to • *nick Itealluded %.ni, th a t o t a soldier .w ho had a tivtect in ins Nit', anti ht.ing rt p(ntrd as a lingerer, 11 . 1 ' 3 th)gged tor oei g blind. Gent met) might flifitity inciediLity it they 'phased, but he had the • ' l ondli ii 'ruin the burgeon hiuisell. The Tl ut Was .tr.ed, awl coed 'tined 10 1 0 0 !ash, s, and wo'1•1 the Surgeon expositillteit w ith I lie Coinmandiag Of fleet tor not cali ti p 4 h ull , a , a v ,i,„ ( ,, sit h e answer was, what sign•tit.d tau lobes to ei fellow 'of that kind,' ? pecti-a illsttrice happened in Gibraltar , ks he" t wo . °w " h aying got tired of the service, chopped. off snetr hand,, but the; of being .(Inte barged were P unt 'hed 444 ob,igeJ to labour tor the remainder • 1 trill, their Ines, degraded by a• mark'oft InfalnY" All°. ..,!r_ case, we s,that (11 ho ni t f m an . 70 years gat age, w ci n t e , ht been SO years in roe army, and main'ain* ine ii "II that Period au excellent character. Biting ged til:l4)"4 " tyt nnig. tie ' , as brook:A out to be fing- , ~ fur : ,the offenc; aril not w it hstatriting that' "he appeaseth.to the h Urnat'ity 01, hit OtTn;ersi n0t.."4111- 6 ' ilditi g ire Merit to hit . wnuticA; sod intreated !lot tuba opiitraced lit h i s ow .:be, ht ., wa „ . t ad 1 t , ili - .. hat,veSperience'sno,,id have ;aught him better ; acrd , l, tr ii " l ti , Uo the hitlie day, a boy uf iti pleaded his 414111,_ttit lie was told that he. should be 9°841' 4 „ u cish was tisi-d tipou him ; 50 . • that neirlaer i.)ei um , i ., i , 6eit. 1 ...,, neither hers keit pBt nor 'services to . ../ 4 , could reseue them from the crueldegrad.ii ion. • 'e 'Dull ap e ,r. • , 4 I 0 Some fads liiii.self. Witvn.he a W , 4 , e l , i ' 'lle "ewer, lie had *teen old men flogged ;able in he who 'was c os ere c t with hononr :l4:ieends'before, had beets {acetate(' by igilutnt : slan ' ti.triP b°ll'n ' d ' lie had witnessed four in h;1,,..e,. )1 this kind, and whatever liorror lit might ptn'rew°?,:erilvilittel lontilit'ilgiri`slietnilslant:olitil evwt°::::111%111tei 11'112:111f1(16t1"iini. . • a d e , etl * . t id I' 4l the horror and' disgrace IVtioch Eviolsiotee, that he coal Have" Wital ' ed Illeedrill'lo. 11,1: 4 „ iligli ' . As to I hi, i:toeh'y of t he p,atlicet, it h., • -will:010d Ott se" the in 'rumen, 'beY "1"16 ' time 6 1,7 i t t i 1 1 i. 7 .. , i ,a ,i °. I ii_ i t!Vet pit ro ' k ' ti Sibli tti, . 1 2 . _ ra)tsdwu lien the ii rtlch sunk fl a t o c ! t it or i lino ts . 7 .... ll . ea ur, "err used to tell.* his ova . • -1 Y.. 1 .,.. ~ ta g, by a : e. s, I t.,,t.-.01) , itkii . ite..l to biaspheine tos.!..,ait littaii i , • ei i anti,,,: ' l4 ttre, only ,t hat iliti'ini , fit be. I . (2ro belt tr.l:l. ' , lL .. crtiu g his slsill not to soothe : J1111,14)0. thielf,„ ~L,7'.(1 e , elY tin kitig, principle.ot ilk, that togt)eiti..7lght be ii.maled. Al.th,it the i'oets t,Lad 4 Puoigh(), gl ut did 1101 come up to the idea of such , 5k,,,, e ,i,nretit.; .11e•irs,1 often..latieted to, him's . eft a staii,i(ed,l%"e,'ble picturess-the psi:tutu of a ho;dier detaittjiciwiwe hi 4 QtEcers, . not that they te w.rd l ie illt),ihy lashes he shouki suffer, might .i but what t(1 , 0 '" conn.„ l , u , u , 41 "blunt ;.' this Wall a thing he wish- "'"culd be .1"141", to it was desirsible that there 14 1,1 § i t , tirew44l), IO htimul ite, tie well as punish a tiiktr4et .t. Thu punishment of huge ill.; w"' t ‘ - ' lll tra i „ e ,,, t ° 'he whole army ; • to the Offic.::i" ill) linC4,llit::ll 11% well es to the pribratti who obep , d ; Pk, •tv, l4 -1`;:t btuclit tuiott. be expect,: d front eitain- - (441 rvi tat ' ti t'in the sympatliy with w linen every orie t°ll ettea a o,ll'l aiitlerer. • Besides, it should be re tiethi'',ll4a' ill, was,not, the' " ultimum suppli;.. ittivtliters i ' 4 4 it upon the'authoritY of eieltenced • ' t l eitud i I t ' u la l lh ere was nothing so triftin but could `‘titl,the,i„ate been puirished in that way. He t 'W hig . h.,, et '' l '''•ie a an e xcellentitoldier,, who; for 0 2 41 , and de n ' ' 0 late after the drum beat, was, flog -4 c ansid e , ll etli The number of such deser term bias lied u 'rlu le• Ily a return from Itelatid,„whicti tsi ' l 'ere k. :,, )11 th e table 01 the House, it.opp4arpd 41 -.'-re more tha n ilium deserters to a bat tthiti IhsWl'iCh tate there were ti7d dviter,,ters alto shift '' a, era tli& -ink to 4 n „, l o' of Whose punishment would to ', t etint at „. """ las4a. tie ,approVed gredtlY c'f '"eruk.,',l' of. Lntling ;the soldiers hair, for lie Prrl, t , -`".4 the Nin o 01 • t t ' 'll4l „Do r e i .6- it when it was s 'e pa,e• • et punishment iiideed alnunit all bratde systielbahit.nel,lmts. :were 'owang to 'the li ita , sit)g pa k ell rtf urrn ...“' (mu regiment or indivintial . had min th aw . e 4 - by ,this deseriptiOn ul poiii.hment, • I.llltil fide eve) ,this had bceii spoiled. Notlfitt a" Ins ra„k ill e, iticorred 11,16 fell aS`it were,. from. (4 it %vat, tet':l4l,tgl!Ce; 40 that the necesaary,operation flour,ibk• 1,,q,.-.Stroy unr O wn,ariiiy. . [I - heret he . Ho , "Ili cik 46 ~.11,..,:r.!..!net rt:',i(j' wine ' extracts frr t nn it lei ht ih 'ett luii 4 4, a reck)ed front an Oft-feet. Who had . the stitvicu. It staled 'that in the Edbt in consequence of it, and recourse was had to the eXpcdieni theirs wdrk Withotitally Ott`ra pay. It alio iela'ed a conversation between the writer and an old General, who maintained tied the army would biejtireri by, subsCoutiegeonfinent in consequence of the abseece of the culprit. ; in contradiction to whieli it 'Was Leger], that the ab•- ; settee produced by flogging would, bo as lung, and the . ullituate.rtieMs much mote pernicious.] §ueli was the opinion of an 'Officer who had served abroad; and in - the Militia ; and in repeating Cireie se.ntinints ; h . (Sir. F..Burdett) had done - no Mole than what many. Officers had dome before him,. In 3 pamphlet, ascribed to 'G;.-nieral Cotburne, though the discontinuance of the praelice altogether was nut reeorritnentled," , an , arnelieration -was . •iosisted to be necessary ; and a doubt was suggested, wh .11).r, even iii.poini 'Ceurts Martial were.jusitfied . . in the extent to,whiell. they sometimes pushed ii.— He was' glad that Geetlem: n seemed to disbelieve the feels he had Stated, for it was a prOof liry would.. not justify mein ; and , was a pledee, thaelf tt'vy could be proved, redress . would 'Sot b: denied. That House had ialety - ..di.playeiti it 3 hitteatiity in limey instances : it ~ had done away the Stave Trade, arid by that .means . rimeliorated^ in a great degree the situation of the slaves in our t s.at.es ';ari (he film tit the sipe wad never, so ne e lorable as this pit nislim,ent rendered the'. English soldier : they tt seen the burnanitv of the laW called net he pe,..ant of a Hottentot,' and of errs made even to protect ani mde from the cruelty of man, but no animal had ',ever beeti used in the manner of t c •Ei., ; tise stedier. Arid now - when there was a conscription in existence, by whieli 'a 'father might be—drag ged from • his fatuity punished .before his wife and children, would they refuse to du away that practice which, called for their inter leietice• upon every principle of .homartity and religion He \A as glad •it ;Lad extended to the whole pepulatiee, toe now they' wiiuld leek in selt-,defenee.to the coneitiOn. of •t he soldier, which• perhaps etPerwise they might negleet. There was as Inua stupidity ifs any thail eke in the practice; for of all men iii'the world the soldier wasllie-last to whom such a punishment si t mild be applied. It . was,necessarir to toi,ticite in his mind high and ge iterrais frelings, and therefole must be eulitic to tivO'id.deerading and exeessi:l- piiiiiihreents. He etoCeedeo :to read a letter, which .he had received from Sir Itobje Wilson ) cOetaining the opinions of that the.er. ,the labiect,' and - recommending th,.• abolition a flogging, Mough - adinitting that it was difficult to' at oil tote pradice. It, was a: practice which geod Officers did not renuTe to keep up subei &nation, and which ban Officer. should not he 'alined with. In the Fiencat army rewards Wei e held 'out as •incettrives to good cooklud„ Here the Hon. Barottet no l'atictinutil any infieeoce to gratify, th . great iitsciplioartan die Great Frefi..,.!..1. 'of Pt ,avv the e.it tendency of ha ra£sli,a soldiers, kr itt itte last at of tr7te, lie lost not lees than so;ditrs by desertion: Having fieccook;d at some Nogth upon the inexpediency tit s; rift Oise11)1Mo, tie conintented upon the taste oh the Colour:ls'ot some of itie ca6lry tietteolous,_ die: observed, to nice& drag,ooo:sold ets dreste.i.l and te:coutred ...s some of 'them were ; he •• • • . „• , mule not avoid 1:10t2,111116 at them with Ill~;tr large' Whiskers, - with inutfs un'their heads, obliged to to wear in the meddle : at summer (though, they have ...,urnitiel .their winier jackets. over i' ; For these witimi of the Coltiod, :be men welt, ()fanged in pay, and were put tinder itoppoges. This, was anci(her of i:e caus.. n of c.mtplaiti!.• According to the. Articles , o. .soldier cannot be, imprisoned oiortethan eight days, yo . , - %viten • he Was in tin:. Tower, two Men wet: contitied„.•otry tte ffi 'lays, the other for al :Cat's. He sta , ed this Inc eld'ilem doing duty iii ihe Tuwer were ex osed,: dui nig six. years in of Inch Colonel Cooke commanded t to 'great excess of peels lunette, h , e K,Ving uetvards of ladies: on their.bieks..- oiled the liardsoips imposed on these uftivratirot,s in g thfetigh,ttle di ill, rit,,the caeriee.ot a;young cell/aid ; when any. ocie compioned, he was sent ib !tie hospital ';' tettpenre pdr' day was Sfoi - ip`yit - from his allowance, and the tare w built he got in .es:• change was a 01 ind ‘kk and ator, a a o-peiely Brat, pail a punt of lien ‘soiip, which 'he old melt rind about three oureceslor a •it ritiortzit .01 ii pound of total. The Honourable rrontj counter led some scenes to which he witness the 'lO , .ver * of the haidsnips, 34 Le' 'thOught,,whieli thy old etitlured ; and Conduct: cid -• •wit it stating his Motion', 'Which; 'he 4oftt, 7 lt& .upon ii.hot the ,lic.tuse lia.t. ; already . 811 1 411qm : 4, on 'the l‘ltidny ,Ail v and Ititincture he could not.anti cipate any solid gretiiiti objecti ee ;_ H e iheit - moverl--"Alfat 'en butithle ak,itireite be preseeted the, Prince.. Regent,' 'nimbly la 3 yili4 flea his iteYal Highness_ would be graci ouly-pleased 'to take into his co..sideration the practice seldiets;and that he would issue sueh. orders to the Commanders of Itegirnents,,,as should be c,ilcidated toxestraitt, and finally to abolish that creel ) unnecessary, and ignominicies Mode of pnishroonc." --•-• • • Mr; Biteutartate Seconded the motion. Mr. MANNI4S SUTTON did, not think he was call ed upon to toilciw the Hon. 4rotiet thrOt!gli't he 'variety of,stateniehts Which hehad made in support:. .of his :notion.. There was one' observation, how ever, whict, pervaded the whale of thei Ila ronet's,speceh, in which he (Mr. S.) most col:Wi ly concurred, and that, was', that the question was of the utmost moment, as it involver:lith e % /k il l in 'wrests of ihe army', • The House he trusted would go along with him in that sentiment, and wltht they wer e e ngag e d in a discussion ait . Cailrig so imPortant , a.branch of the'Siate. Would inok with. impatience tor some petuliar circumstanced to warrant the mu tion'tAing {node at this late period of the Session. 'No such peculiar circumstances had beanstalk:di but lion..Barenisi had insisted upon the expediency and necessity of it: With respect then to.that ex pediency and necessity; in the . hist place, the Hon. Tharotiet•oulit to hover shewn to the House, that there Were (ads which, *mild indUce strong suspi-. clan that military punishments were greatly abused. Egad' he done so sheWn that to be the foie ) He certainly had not. It iris object was then, by the 'statements 4.vtlieil he had made, simply to. get rid of corporeal pUnishitienis, that object would be attained' by whet .the glilature had *me al tell* By the cheese introduced in the last Mutiny . - be dispeesed with eithent dang-r to the ,army,.the Prtietice of fl g4ine sltheld lie ith p liehed. Let the House compare *bar had been &nee tl.en with wets now B ,k t - i t, and see,it aet tieecesity of ex • •pediency ',could arise for the mo! When such was the diseointion of Perlianteet, aided by the ge neral bite :felon of those who imperlntetided ti;e cen cents of the arm>', was it not .too much in beer hard upon and teereat Le ith adegr , e . of levity, as if seem ed, the'L - 0 ricers coMposlug Cow t• eluttial ?_ Would the, Hon. Baronet say that hese Oificers would h e , advetSe to inflicting the pun;teimeet of itnprisone Mem for crimes, when they conddered such impri- SOntitent an atequate Substitute for flogging ? Un less the .171opourable Baronet' meant to doubt th e y Would, and to cast 6 suspicion ueon the . ieclination 'of the CM - leers co epoi.ing Counts Mar: fal, his siews were met .by tl:e Legislati re. I 3 could not avoid lamenting that the, Hon. Baronet shot! be in uced, in his description, to over-rale OW ,c ra w an eaetg geiated picture of the preceedings of Cote is Mar- , nal." ad , he ,mean to say that b ite,,trials. had not been bad ? as utterly ifnifesible lie shOnld so contend. , In minty ieStattees he (Mr. S.) could state; from his . orlicial ktiowledge, that the recom .meridation of the Legislature' haul beet, I,anitett to the mumcl,t llie Law Evlli• before the Mutiny Act teithurising if was printed, applications had been' made up 'n the subject front certain Courts Martial, to "kilo' whether' they . :night eitiey son, instead of inflict co!porel p`ueishinent ; and , the answer that leas returned was itt the attire - reeve. In his opinion, it was not advisable'whohy. dis pose of corporeal punishment, unless it shoUld ap pear that imptisoninette was a sate substitute find at the some - time he was prepared to' adniit, that if the Hon; Baronet had or conld she w ally eiCculn stattCes of aggravated cruelty, they . eught ceretinly to be inquired into, but he had not broneht forward any serious case. Ho lt,el cooteeted himself with appeieing to the feelings rather than kith& josece of the House. bottle of his .tatements (t h,;tidb the House could not expect 'hint to he a,ree to answer all shape they apneared) were greunded upon misinformation. For instattee, the ~ Hon. Blionet snore dayS . ago had ineptioned he,case-of a local accorw anied with a Cescrifeiou calcu lated to aiouse'the Pelings. This triOtt e h e e ehe . e , the I 1 , .n Iltrotiet had absuefl d from till mention of it, 'no dietbe . frotif the• know ledge that he had been imposed upon. Indeed, from inquiry, he (Mr. S.) hid reason to believe (not haying heard the statement) • that the 'Hon. Baronet was misin formed: The tact was,ithat when the 1ic,, l militia- mun•were assembled, many. recruits were colleoted some (flays before at th e hca,lquir.ets ; reports had reached 't he Colones ears that he breaut . usits not do good' as it ought to have he.-n. The Colonel consequently wishieg to rernove..thecatise' for Com plaint, sent for the Contraetor, arid-gave him stria injunctions -beeareful res. esling the bread. • In the course of that night to wheel) the complaint was made, tette:l.e . :, tit the corp; arnv. d, not 111 a• state 91 soberneee etlft cuo,i , !nirtt was agaie rettewtd'' The ()dicers of tiles eerie. cletiired that (tie' hroad should be brought, twilit!!! , wets done, and ttiey tasted , gout. it, and. the result Wer e :that they tket i led 'it wa s Sill tout w.eot.on partially, wet ese m e n, who at r.ved itt the night, ht flitt.l with liquor, joined in the ontpit!ot ti's , ? br(l wins Lilted it:tont the :t. , \t :till,' untested, of ceerse they ceuld one have tie: know heftier le,- s of then i orneedes were tv,ll. Item eel. li, till; sac of sa e • p,es to tlii Insi;!_ , ..ior-Getie-„il of the.cits t) it ;• he dectried 'tn.it the was :rod. "This boa ever, did iii>t iati,fy the wen; I !..ey plac.:rded the'iown . ,A;,th• hills, eomPlaenrig 001 soilr Mead out I en), attl they ' , bused and hissed their Odieurs, until at loo L ea„ I:0 e teen r owe. von b.. tem nte essaiv do no: ice th e ni in e i„: 15 in,inner ; eta • were it i ;pr,h s ti,!,,l, and ahem Ihi, mait whet it'd wrietet the brotLlif t:• tiiil, and, upon 'Fee clearest evi .dence; eonveled _ot being the I'ing-h4dern'':he riot;;; for .his was seutiniced to reeeto4.tearpo- . r e al e unisleneet, which 'Nits in part ;tinkled, 'The. n e e se we t e.e Icy elail to contrathetion tb. the reaten.etit tweet', of ihelet . rdship., of this man's c,se, that, eltet ;he eueisleneett„. he was the leudes: tU 'adinitliw; the e.:•.pedieficy of it, and its ext;diiire the • letety tt hich he rienced. Mr. S. real a , letter liken the Surgeon of the Rcgitneet to wind) the. trite' helueged, whicll steed, that he was present when two of the in 'co wades called putt him to renionsteate upon the little coutaee he had shetCa iii it:fowing• what 'had been done, " man df:!sited then), ititte 1 , 1 . that wit it bid 11.1ppened.was right, for that wit hoot discipli n e he wal convinced the •regimente 'could;' not " - exist ;' that. •his 'ltentt'ke was j it mill • lentent; :and .that the execution of tt was must na.er ctful." This stk:met» Mr. S. conceived we-, most 1111,.Ort:Olt to go forth, as it ixived as' an of t h e lionoerable Baronet's statement, and showed : that great severities awl cruelfies were not. indieed. The Honoaratfle, baronet had mentioned COLI,o of horror, width appeared to hiin to he aggrvai e d the , Regular ,Courts Martiel dill. nut 'cularly come under his (Mr. consideration, v ui with teapeet to Giaireral Courts an order was issued , by the present Conimar der in Chief`,.'di retAiv all Generals of I) tenets to inalte a return to the, °dice of C.,orts M.irtiat, the nature of `the 'cases, the pen i,dmiente 'inflicted, and the alta-' - riaer "of the men conviaedi which return is .. m ade every six woo t He.. mentiooed this in on. Mel' to the observations, mid to slime that the Board were not indifferent to the proceedings tilt' Cout is 'Martial. With respe..l to the.desirtions in Irelatid,: :the Hon, Baronet .was wrong when be dated the number,at.,B7 . 9. That number related to the of-, fences, because many individrials 'could commit' the.' offence 'several times before they were apprehended. Same. parts of 'the Hon. Bart. '$ seeech had excited I , hits. surprise,, for he was aur; lb it the Ifritisit Soldier was not an obje c t sif opprstat Mirror of compassion ; nay, indeed; his condeq evidentl3s shelved he did not feel' himself that he Was. There were' persons who pretended to give accurate informatinee re speaing the transactions in the army, and it' was to be lamented, that' wily - Member at Parliament should-be prevailed on to take. op arty Supposed cause for, complaint, without having investigated whetherauf real grounds existed fur i t: The 1:-e. rinency of bringing military matters - before the rind otht -'s been in, the h toini, *cas..it fOrward, for tiia future to ex Clet;oly IL , truth or falseiiood of 11“. m, if t!i e y lid rut, toes' a uuld a t er l l s a e l: i el s7 "'E.:: hi h n~lt he sati4l,s(lory to len vethe So far was he from thiniting that the of dist ciprine Was the conseipteitce of Corporeil Mews, that he believed 'it ;nose more 'fron t the :ski! of li l a utlieels and the good harmoiy under'statiditig WhiCh pre% ailed between the own and their svperiori. Thi• produced a mass, of fe . gulattoo 'which served as an iniptus in the hour of anger to . the accontplish;nent 01 ~!l 's l ,l em p, ( l sic ()ties .'n I gloriotia richieVements, 1 / 4 . i-h rot Ouly been die themes of British pi,Jise., hot the ad miration of the world, it was i.ot to the phl . sical strength of our ,-,rmy principally, or that the .'t!ter nations were peopled ctiwards, that we owed our suecesses (I:,r tie it from him to st.y that), it was to the discretion, the ;Old' It e ,controul of the army ; the aottc,, nen: f the tat:o to their, Officers, Which t'Xiile I Ilic:,t . pro:peroo , dy t,r this Country more t., to :•er d Etiglaird was at tlsis 1114u111,-lit true pli antly %1 ,- torious. The, objeot of the 'melon be to correct errors, but it would, ht. feared, p:oxhice 'eV)! coosoittences. W)ti it 11 . 1 , 11 MO mooch the House not to a.:cede OD it ? the Honour-, able Ber,i,et had not, supposiiig ii a ere •carred e , proposed any thing in I to of Lorporeal Did he tneati to prrpoge si•ooling ; (Mr ) lip. Trehended not.—All that could be reas-0 1t,1 . t dime in the way of law had beta already' dime; and it would bra prudent to see what effect was fooklitevti 'before any dill s % itirth , r was ,aitempo d. titi-fer these coosiderat ons he shonlit opposeHhe Mr." .BitOUGitahl conten,:ed that the Wiservalions . •of the Hoe: Getitletnan were (pally applicahle to ny other speech as to the speech of ,t f - lon . onrable Baronet. With respect to the alter:no,' prepokect in the Mutiny 48, that was no alteration at all, tor powers were git en in all the Mutiny A IS (as titc,2.i.ed set ion would shew) ham the lime of the Rt‘vOlia lioli downWard4, to the memhers of a Court Mar tial, to impriron, if they thought proper. The last Mutiny Ad therefore, could be taken in no other light than .as a hint. The Elort Gentleman, not withstanding the assertions which had 'beet) tulde„ bail not sbewn that since ,the passing of the Aa,. flo4girig was not inti Vied; On the contrary; he (Mr. 1.1.) insisted that it bad been itiflicied . He inam taieed that the praalice, so far from 'reclaiming the rtiee - , bad the effeet of extinguishing ant' principle of shelve or honour ; but as hn example to•o.hers it might have some ,efrot.t. Tears of Rights .de dared that lot tore should no loogor exist. Flogging, however, was torture ;,nor could, he see why it Was applicable to the class of society . by which it witi endured more than to 'any other.' His Hon. Friend had been. regoired to name a substitute. Imprison ment,. deprivation of Pay, and above all, .solitary, confinement, were substitutes infinitely to be pre. Jerre& Th at flogging was un n ecets try %Iva% proved t,)y the WO 'disuse of it 'in t h e 3d bat than of Guards, cotodanded'by the Duke of• Gloucester,, in which not a single stripe hal twin infliNed for two years and I half. It was en! on the individual eases quoted hy his Hon. Friend,• but on the general s. ape, of his oft the atithority, of those Officers .wko had wtitteu, tow still more on the authority, of those phistir,us CoAttilatiders who 14 i.l praMistd avainst 11.14 . he was Induced to surort thenmotion. Lord l'AL.statisTots argued agliwit the motion. His Right I ltm. Frietol . 'haft , b,.,•en He had never said that the'l - Toust.: t (;,,.n non; !lad sett plied their censure,` on the praolice at t 1 sg,!ing, by acceding to the introduction o f the new idause iti the IWImM, Bid. What its had s vois, that they gave Cooks Martial toe ttit rsta.ive biqweeri that incl ot • er punishments.' The cits,s addn e ' 1)y th- FLtiourable tvere, uth t any exceptio n , 'aritit, ; btr: it the 'House were to judge of rhe ct*s which e hatch named, .the HOtiSe most be sati‘ti-d of the fzthi.(•;toos . grotto s ott which tbs . ! /ion. G tr,owt proceeded'. I prisonme:a ut its not equiv:uctit to flog;ing. Th.ro.were litany c Ices of inhhary de litttitteney for u l it t no , p,dtisltiner,t but corporeal p .till netts was So t ttfle,' tor in. ,tanCe, which 1., new ti mutiny', it Was Deve4,, i ry that the punishment otfeitclers should-be int. tnetiOne its its op...wit- is, told ito.oessito in It4eq. , tl. As tri the punishment of de sib, be did ti - ot be',iere tbannany of those. who were brought to the Ot ! erts Wouiltbe tone!) colig.:ti to the 1. - 1011, hey Were told that, -at hiss 1411Oct:0.11r int•.-rcessiort, th,.y 'might be-shot. Bonnet bad' thotight fit to lead the military sere ice of his own country t. tin opProbtiotn, and to charaJi.f.se dice worst m Eut ape, and 'one into whic h , foieigners were'oe.tertt.d frorn etiteritig. Hook'. had 11.,!eo too buiily employed lit aeknowli:dgin.4 aciiie , einents of lily: Brit It At my, to render ly to ray' any thing *nt the sassiest, cent linty the 3 ,ser . , too with res',)ect to' Inr , , ,, iAtters ea:rie with a had grace it.i)ln one who had foriterly ttu 1,(1-ooWy rerNJO if l / 4 . (1 the introditetioo of funAgUrrh lot,• our mint,iry After stati!ig the intraite ntt,:ri' ion paid Ci , irr. • 'em p der in' Chief to. the-proc, c - , cho ky; No d B .", tetion o f' Regimental Cotirts for .the ptirtio-:e of tiny u ll :3?CetiS4ly:tt-Yerity In the tirst•rftent of the soldiers, die hold cot iclultd by eX .f,re:ssing his disseiot from the motion, aS utineeess.iry and tojlicions. Wttrre a ta,'A n recalled to the minds of the Honse the time wnen punishments at the discietion of tb Cornniandin 0,(..:it-of a regiment, atn! with. - hut Court Mortlii!, v.ere defended as not: ~,try di , ciplitte . ot: . .ii t e army. Yet those captictiett btti , littleitts hitt b et'sdisnontittuad with the most oneficial edeets. 8 o wou ld it be with the punish. ment 'Abodt 1 . 7 years since he .had re. .ntanstrated agaillst the praoticti of bringing out tni2u to receive tt e *et:ond part of • their punishment..-- fie was happy to find, if he tulderstood the '.ltutge Advoe,ite, that iTott. and Leirtied Gentlematt admitted that is was illegal. Discussion on shell oubjectS Itei 4 iiiiisiderod as alwaytiroductive of ad. votitage)....,and he instaneeti the case of ‘JetfeOes the SeaM:lll, ,t 1,1401 ofhts tt,er don, The manner also iti'whicik, the .latf:;t. Atka -ate U3tl eXplawed tha introduction of the " nowii:itionnot" two the Mutiny Bill of the prtleot yett.t, adthtfonal proof of the ady.ll taac l ist d.scossion ; and h e was persuaded that is would thew Courts Manias the way in which they bright tO consider the tiOttject...... After toproedting very severe ternio the pl:4ctiee ,1 ~ (~ ~E f~