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1 Istauti le four of Buol, ornv ° I , tion°' vas cis by th e peters' it - men' Iference media' lnubiall sth ult.. traordi ided by nephew ador at t., State fleet 139 ' 8 Aier Ad petefs- r aisnala" T ° se u a, •L'a- F r ibarg inlul .A , e - suprer y h is 11''' ,P a llets' w hither beell the I. Ja lin ti 4 preSe ality. Raus el°l :,c) induce anOW lCe ' g wil l not itY d I. bled froto° ey ar. . 4 1 I bare t as feciev .o m ,tiering mouth. indre ss , lll ; t er volo: ippiug ; the 1 " 95 1 1 loyell ° l o f ac coall - , -office, 44k ; e' a s ettle : l o ' ntaa , "; • ,cis of 1 131 0 t to l'i tes posse°oo hir tlo COI ult., c°,' ll , ' aged e f oo ie sent .06 J it of l „, g . g for hai s tr iceable te co e has„ ho ot not vo' t ; that Vies .. c tical eCk „ arren"'.' of l a bow" t he ger for ill' ag be.L' i l isll "th P' . bitt vi.) t iia then 0 ;ed ;sted• v° V re d ao e h th e ' °vi o' aids 0 )rts to e morniat' taken enQo ;re posted n r of lan' c i adon ,t 1" ping a l ge o do k Wes t e • n teri khe 'Pellof nentgl , e ts with s e ivel o t antedo re were l' obre fl been e n t tJ e p laced ° T v/ them' "OP t ories t 04' pu MPERiA.I PARLIAKENT. HOUSE OF COMMONS—(THIS DAY.) The SPEAKER took the chair shortly after 12 o'clock. PRIVATE BUSINESS. The Lords' amendments to the West Cornwall Rail way, and the Bayswater, Paddington, and Holborn bridge Railway Bills were considered and agreed to. Chaytor's Estate Bill was read a third time and passed. the reports upon the Pemberton Estate and East Indian Railway Bills were considered and agreed to. The last bill was read a third time and passed. PETERBOROUGH ELECTION COMMITTEE. The members appointed to serve on this committee were called to the table and sworn. They sit to-morrow at 11 o'clock. PETITIONS. Mr. HADFIELD presented two petitions from York shire against the Government Education Bill. Mr. HEADLAM presented a petition from the pro moters, managers, and friends of the system of national education in Ireland, praying the house to preserve its religious element. Mr. KINNAIRD presented a petition from all classes of Christians in India, against the grant to the temple of Juggernaut. HARWICH ELECTION. The SPEAKER said he had received an intimation that it was not intended to proceed with the petition against the return of Mr. Bagshaw for Harwich. OR the the motion of an Hon. MEMBER, the mem bers of the committee were ordered to be discharged. SOUTH SEA AND OTHER ANNUITIES (PRO VISION FOR PAYMENT, &c.) BILL. This bill was read a third time and passed. TRANSPORTATION BILL. St. The house then went committee on this bill, St. On clause 1, St. Lord PALMERSTON said there was no subject St. more difficult and important than the question of punish- 12 went. I n an earlier state of society crime produced in 50 , the minds of the community but one feeling—that of l (l it resentment, and the object of punishment was simply ven -20 geance every kind of suffering which human ingenuity 14 inflict being awarded to criminals ; but as civilisation 50 I ncreased, and minor feelings prevailed in legislation and 20 Prac tice, the punishment of death was confined to 111 offences of the most serious and flagrant character, and 10 secondary punishment was adopted in the greater num- St. !)er of cases. The question of secondary punishments St. had alw a y s b een one of extreme difficulty. It ought to E be penal on the offender, and ought to deter, by example, s S o t. others committing similar crimes, but, at the same time, there should be combined with it the principle of 40 re formation. Hi t h erto, we h a d b een e nabled to dispose 25 of criminals subjected to secondary punis hment, b y 25 transporting them to our extensive colonies after first st, undergoing a certain period of imprisonment at home. 812 s e were now, however, under the necessity of altering St. that system. The colonies to which persons were trans- St. Ported had now become thriving and wealthy communities, 50 whose feelings led them to revolt against those places 23 being made the receptacle for criminals, who were 100' deemed unfit to remain in the mother country. Whether S o t they were right or not it was not for him to say, but as 25 we had conceded to the colonies self-government, we 50 Must submit to its consequence, and their refusal to re- 20 ceive criminals would of itself compel us to alter the sYstere. Independently of that, a great event had hap- St Petted in those colonies, which necessarily led to the 50 re- consideration of the existing system. When it turned St out that those lands were places where wealth abounded, 1 4 beyond, perhaps, toe imagination of man, and where the exercise of a small amount of manual labour was likely to create a splendid fortune, it was quite clear they 2( could not continue transportation to them any longer, be. 2( cause it would be henceforth be looked upon as an actual 1( reward instead of a punishment. The Government, there- St fore, t )ok the subject into their consideration, and they had determined to discontinue transportation, except to S Western Australia. Then rose the qu estion as to what should b e d one w ith t h e great bulk of criminals who were for the f u tu r e not to be transported. It was proposed by the Government to give them at the 1 , rPiration of a certain period, a ticket of leave not to go 2 abroad, but to remain here, and though , th en, set at 1 ; 1 artY, they would be liable to be called upon if their 1 conduct was not such as to warrant their remaining in 2 that condition. The great subject of reformation had not 2 been lost sight of. The Government did not think r: that was by any means a hopeless object on consultation E r with the parties who had charge of this department, t hey found there would be means for giving these Persons employment at wages on the public works separate from convicss, thus placing them in this Country in a similar situation to that which they had o ccupied in the colonies. In this way he thought t hey c would sm oo th th e passage from the condition convict to that of a free and honest labourer. This pl an of the Government would not entail any Additi onal cost on counties, because they would feel it their duty to provide all the necessary accommodation anat the public expense. The bill had not resulted from will or particular views of the Governme nt, but was r t rced en them by the course of events, and he thought wki w e i a l a a mode of meeting the altered circumstances he v 'as the least open to objection. In conclusion , stated • saving of the Publi c in it would effect a considerable o ke M r I NT A as compared with transportation. f 'POLE rally agreed in what had fallen gene froth the ri minor a andsuggested some g, t hon. gentleman, out, — "lin:lents in the bill. The plan he had sketched , would notmerely abolish that which had been an Inflicti co on the colonies, but if vigorously and prudently carried out, would materially lead to the reformation of offenders. (LEFT SITTING.) PARLIAMENTARY DIVISIONS. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—Atra. 8. (Prom the Votes and Proceedings of the House of Commons. -- -- - CHARITABLE TRUSTS BILL. Another -amendment proposed, in p. 25 ; 1. d 1 . 2 „ , a Q ft u e e r sttihon e word " Oxford" to inser t the word ' an Put, " That the word ' and' be there inserted :" — The house divided ; Ayes 65, Noes 70. MINORITY —AYES, 65. A'Court, C. Adderley, C. Graham, Sir Jas. Gregson, Samuel Aglionhy, H. Grentell, (1. Itt . n e al t ll :e j ll o , h S n ir Richard FF P ee l le'y t tF,, J. F ra n Williamc is Booth, Sir IL Sadleir, James I I Hall,ea liC i o r a l t l e e , n s i r G in . P l' , r u i s c s e e ' l 1 8 , i. Lord n John Herbert, Sidney t ouverie E. P. Hervey, Lord A. Sadleir, J. B ewYer, ' George Keogh, William Sawle, C. B. G. t - ° Yle, lion. Colonel Kinnaird, A. F. Scobell, Captain l i zotherton, Joseph Laneton, 11. G. BrO°t'lvler',e'‘'Scully, F. Shelley, Sir J. V. Charlesalentine Locke, J. Bruce, Lord E. Lowe, Robert Strut', Rt. lion. E Luce, Thomas Thornhill, W. eobtold, William Maule, Colonel J. C. Mackinnon W. Villiers, Francis ', Ter, CO , . WAmsley, Sir J. •,, , avie, Sir H. Mills, T. W t 'Cho, Lord Michell, W. Wilson, J. S. H. , t- erguson Sir Robert s monde J. , John Forste r , 14 3 m o o l n e s s e w u o , r‘tvti William I S i a i r in W' W. W y o o u l g , , Sr i r C . ' .3'• Mulgrave, Earl Pre ' estun Colonel O'Connell, D. , TELLICEO. Gladstone, William Osbo - ne, Ralph Hayter, W. G. 3°°l d, W. Palmerston, Viscount Berkeley Grenville MAJI iRITY—NOES, 70 i t ...n. , , Captain Grogan, Edward Morgan,'Octavius _arrow, Wm. H. Hadfield, George t iggs, William Morris, D. 11 11:1 1 icaallikdj:trat Colonel James FF. Hamilton, Geo. A. Mowbray, J. Headlam, Thomas E. North, Colonel Heyweod, James O'Brien, Patrick Heyworth, L. Peche ll, Sir 0, B. tertharn - Carter, J. Hutt, William Pellatt, Apsley .red i , t...uller , Sir J.Y. John roeki .. ' e h u ' Ing r ham, is obet Pilkington,lt James Baler rs, Jo Joll iffe, Sir W . OZ. Potter, • Kershaw, James Price , W . P. Chambers, T. Kirk, William Sandars, G.. c h eeiham John Krnghtley, Rainald Scholefield, W. C live, R. ' Davies 33C,oueekk s w , ,e T Hr . r Somers o A m e s r s L I Ca l a :- a x ; d C , ° A I .. H. Sihthorp, Colonel Spooner, Richard Lucas, F. , Sir J . . Macartney, G. Stuart, Lord Dudley Dunne Col. Sullivan, M. i e u g n er e t a : Gol. , Edward 31•Cann, J. Thompson, George Macgregor, James James Vallee, J. Wickham, Henry W r g u sen, Joseph Maims, Richard Wilkinson, W. Forster Charles l'ox, W.J.e 3 Martin, John F Massey, W. rew" C. H. Milligan, R. Q r, Wer iell, Viscount Milner, W. M. E. ''' °C4lr een, Sir G. Mitchell, T. TELLERS Inglis, Sir R. H. 2O St. Thornely, Thomas ElMoir 4.-E NUISANCE ABATEMENT (METROPOLIS) Ord BILL. Th ." for Committee read ; Motion made and Question ‘ . ,i - „„ °l3°Be d , " That Mr. Speaker do now leave the chair to — , e ,ildment proposed, to leave out from the word " That" the end of the Question; in order to add the words t his house will upon this day three months, resolve .I,Fself into th e sa id Committee," instead thereof :— Q ues- Lion. v -,..,..L , Noes "That the words propos ed to be left out stand T. o r the Q ues ti on : "—The house d ivided ; Ayes 06, it in A'Cotirt C. Hall, Sir B eniarn Percy, J. Arch Ca C t • al) inn M. Hamilton,.. Lord C. Peto, S. Booth, S' ir R. MAJORITY —AYES, 6r6eu. Herbert, Sidney att ApsleY bouverie, E. 11 , 1 :Aver, G: . ,Lawrence Heyworth, La race, W.P. ...,..,03'le, Col. Hervey, Keogh, William Robert Sawle, C. B. G. ' , mi me v Kincaird, Arthur F. Scobeli, Capt. Clinton Butler_, Charles S. Kirk, William lord Alfred P P i o g t ° te t' r, S l i t r . Clive, Robert ' Scully, V. Butt, Isaac Knightl ey, R. Shelley, Sir J. V. Lord Hobart L L o u w ea e s , , R F o . bert Strutt, Edward Sullivan, M. Cobbold, J. C. Luce, T. .., C ovrPer, W. F. II acartney, G. Walinsley, Sir J. .uuncxn, G. Mackinnon, W. A, waipole, Souter IL I)w:we, Colonel Maguire, J. F. W. A . Wilkinson, Eleho, Lard Maule, Colonel Wison s Esmond% John Maxwell, James P. , , ' r Vernon, U. . 3 Freest young, SiSir ' n Colonel Milligan, Robert Gladstone, William Mills, T. kjroderich, Viscount Michell, W. Goodman, Sir U. Norreys, sir D. J. Goold, W. North, Colonel Groga n , F... 0 Connell, D. lie.dfield, Geor ge Palmerston, pis. 8 lackett, J. F. B. M G l r N ee O u lt e, lT . LY-7,50ES 12. Scholefield, W. Be n Stuart, Lord D. ham-C a rter, John log,hani, R. Huller, Sir J. Macgregor. James TELLEIf s. Forster, John Martin, John Spoon e r, B. Fr ewen, Charles Hay Mowbray, John R. Malins, Richard ClUy TELLERS Berkeley, Grenville Mulgrave, Earl iwe SIIITS.—The bill introduced by the Attoiney- G meral and the Solicitor -General for the amendment of the procedure and practice in Crown suits in the Court "f Exchequer, and for the payment of costs in proceed -1 GPs instituted on behalf of the Crown, provides that in 0.11 informations, actions, &c., not of a criminal nature, instituted by the Crown against a subject, the Crown shall be entitled to costs in the same way as in law judg ment bet ween su lj ect and subject ; and should be given against the Crown, the costs to be re coverable from the Treasury. The Barons of the Ex chequer are also to be empowered to make general rules and orders to assimilate as much as possible the course of practice and procedure in Crown suits to that, between Subject and subject. ANOTHER EXPEDITION TO EXPLORE THE NIGER.— We understand that it is in contemplation to fit out another Admiralty expedition to explore the source of the Niger, with the view of promoting civilisation in Africa and opening up new sources of commerce. It is held that the present is a fitting opportunity for another e xpedition t o th e Ni ger, i nasmuch as the mortality the coast of Africa has of late Tor y muc h decreased. on 1 22 St. St. 50 SIIABE MARKETS.-(THIS DAY.) BRITISH RAILWAYS. RAILWAYS. Closing Prices this day. Business done this day. Paid. 1100 Xberdeen 8 . Ambg Nottng. Bost, and Eastn. Junct all Birming. Wolverh. & I I Stour Valley 28 Birkenhd. Lancsh. & Cheshire Junct all Do. Chesh. & Birk., £5O and £25 Cons. 184 IDo., £20..... ..... LOO Bristol and Exeter LOO Caledonian all Cheste2 & Holyhead. all Cork and Bandon all Cork, Black, & Pass. 45 Dublin&BelfastJune, all Dundee Perth&Aber. de 311 Junction all Do. New all East Anshan all Do., (£lB E & H).... 1 all Eastern Counties all Eastern Union, A Stock 100 Do., B. Stock 8'- Do., New A 100 - East Lancashire East &West Ind. Dk all & Birming. June— -100 Edinburgh & Glasgow 14 Edinb. and Peebles 100 Ediu. Pr al. &D-andee 100 Glasgow &S. Western 100 Great Northern Stk. 100 Do., A. Stock 'lOO Do., B. Stock ....... 100 Gt. Sth. &West. (Ire )I 1100 Great Western 11 Irish South-Eastern all Lancaster & Carlisle' llt Do., Thirds LOO Lancash.aiadYo 7 ksh. 16 Do., Fifths 11:1 D 3., Wst. Riding Un all Leeds Northern all Li v.Crsby.&Soutlipt all London & Blackwali 7 Loud. Tilb. & S Oland. 100 Cond. Bright & S.Cst 100 Loud. and N. Westn 12 Do. Fil'ths 1 Do.lo/.5h.,M&8...0 100 London andS. Westn. 4V,, Do., £5O 34 Do., £4O el all Lnud2ry& Coleraine all Lndudrry. & Ennisk. 100 Manch .Shef.& Lincln 4 Do., Alan. & Lin. Un DO Alidland DO Do. armng. &Derby 47 -,4 \lidld. G. IVe st . (Ire .) 174 2 - Do. Hall Sii7es all Newcastle & Caalsie. 1.00 Newmarket 46 Do., Bury Extension, 174,Nwpt.Alierg. &Hrfcl. 7 - 4 Newry &Enniskillen all iNewry Warrenpoini and Rostrevor. ...... 100 Norfolk 34 Northn .Counties Un 100 North British 16 !North Devon, No. 1 11 , Do., t i No. 2 all Do., 6 A Deferred 8 Do., 4 B Guaranteed 176 , North Staffordshire all North Western 10 N. &S. Wes tat. Jane. 100 0x702d, Worcester, & W&.ve - 2lianupton 100 S:.,ot',:sb. Central 100 SeottishMhiland 100 IShreAsbn7y&Biimg, DO Do. L. &N. Western GnaiuntezdSice.k 8 Shrewsby. & Berefd all Shrewsby. & Chester (N. W. Min ; all Do. Halves,. o all Do. Oswestry 64 Shropshire Union all - South Devon 100 South Eastern all South Wales 15 S. Yrksh. & Riv. Dun 5 Do ........... 163 Stockton & Hartlepl 20 Thames Haven Dock and. Railway 17 Vale of Neath all Watered. & Kilkenny all Waterford&Limeri ck 14 West Cornwall 21s. Wimbledn& Croydon 100 YorkNewca.&Berw. 20 Do. Extensions Purchase 100 n York &N. Midland... 69i 7i 2; 60 100 Aberdeen 100 Do. No. 2, 7 p. c 100 Bris. & Ex. 4p. c. St 5 Do. 4 p. c. Shares 100 Caledonian £lO all Chester & Holyhead Guar. 5i per cent 6 Cork &Bandons,tp.c all Dundee Perth &Aber- deen Junction .., all EastAnglian (£3los, 6 per cent all Do. (X 5) 7 per cent 2 Do. (£7 17s) 7 p. c all Eastern Counties Ex tension, 5 p. c. No. 1 1 S all Do. No. 2 all Do. New 6 p. c. Si all Easiern Union, Scrip Guar. 6 per cent 100 East Lancash.6 p.cts all EdinbPrth.&Dundee 5. per cent. 100 Glasgow &S.Western Guar. 5 per cent 100 Great Northn. sp. c. • 100 Do. 5 p. c. Redeem., at 10 p. c. prem. I 5 Do. 4 p. c. Scrip all Gt,Southn.&Westm. (Ireland) Eighths)... ) 6 Gt. Westn. (Berks & Hants Ex. 5 p. c)... ;. 100 Do. cov. red. 41 p.c. t. 100 Do. con. red. 4p• c. b. 100 Do. irred. 4p. c.... 6 6 Lan. &York. F. £2O t. 100 Do. 6 p. c. Stock ... t. 100 London and Brighton Guaranteed 5 p. c t. 100 Do. Pref., 5 p. c. St. ,0 all Do. Convertible, sp. c., 1852 rt. 100 Do. New Guar.6 p. c 50 5 Loudon &S. Western Con. Thirds 121 10 LondondeiTy&Coler Shares 12, 1 , all Londy. & Ennis. Sh 25 all Nlan., hef., Shar S es, No. 1. n. , 10 all, Do. New, £lO 6 3 Do. £6 12,?, all Marypt.&Carl. 4 p.c 12? a ll Do. 4 per cent., 12 ? all East Indian I Do. Extension - 15. - 10 i - 88 -- .. - W,co 100 - Mid. Consol.6 p.c.St 100 Do. Consol. Bristol & Birm. 6 per cent 5 Do. Pref. , q per cent \ 6 Norfolk EA.,r sion -1 6 1 3 Do. 5 p.c. Ext. 1 00 Do. Guar. 5 per et._ 100 Do. Way. Vs). 5 p. c 100 North Bri t's'a all North StaffordsYre ' 100 Oxford, Worcester, & Wolverh..£ls, 6 p.c. - .. 12 Do all Shrews. &,Birm.N.G all Shrewsby. & Chester (Nor.W.3tlin), 8 p.c. 10 Do. 5 per cent all South Devon 14 Do. New 6 all S. ENstern (Reading Aun.) of £1 Os. 6d. t. 100 , Do. 4 per cent. Pre. !O all S.Yorksh.4p.c.Guar. 5 3 Walera&Kilk. 6 p , c. Sit. 100 York, Newcastle ,and Berwi ck ,4 p.c. Pref 17 5 IDo 10 York&N.MidlandH , and S. Purch 4 Antwrp &no literdan.l 3 Belgian East. Junct. all Charleroi & Erquelin 10 Dijon and Besnon 8 Dutch Rhenish al'l Gt. Indian Peninsula 10 Gd. Junct. of France 20 Gt. Westn. of Canada Shares 3 Lucca and Pistoja, 5 per cent. pref. 15 Luexembourg 10 Do. (Railway) \ 2 'Do... ......... .. 3 Do. (Canal) 4 Do. 6p. cent . p ref 9 Lyons & Medit erran 7..,Madras 29 Maria Antonia 10 Do. Now ............... all Namur & Liege (with interest ............... all Do. (ex interest) ...... all Northern of France.. all (Do. 201. 3 p. c. Dcls.• all C[fmy.B.&Ams.Shs.]l orwegianTruk.Pre fi 10 Paris and Ly0n5...... all Paris and Orleans.... all Paris and Rouen all Paris and Strasbourg 4 Paris Caen& Chefor,g: 101 Quebec & Richmond all Rouen and Havre all Sambre and Meuse 4 Do. 5A per cent. pcef. 6 Southern of France.. 2s. Upper India Scrip ... 1 all West Flanders 10 Do. 5 per c. Pref 10 Western of France 2 West. of Switzerland 9 Now Zoaland„,.. 702 7id lid -- 61 PREFERENCE SHARES. 11 03 - - 105 1105 - 107 19 20, 68 6a -- 2 pl - 1 i1) llt -- 15 au 201 !fit; .7-- - i:0 113 - 114 i - 1p 61 7i 102 A -- 1034 99 101 101 103 P, 150 —152 d ..• 3i - 4 10 -11 13 - 11 8 9 10i -- 11 P ... --" • 26 - 27 51 5A 91 - DI 9 7 dies, 20 - 22 3i -- 21(1 1 102 -- 104 68 -- 681 22 -- 221 191 -- 201 - -31 p 8- 9 51 -- 3A -- 12i -- 43 - 45 31 - 33 74- ;i6i 53 - 72 - 28 - 84 3 / 4 85 2 53 55 134 - 136 , 110 - 112 89 3 / 4 - 90 7 - 76 100 - 105 16 -17 p 77§ - 78 4 4 - t - 3 15 - 153/4 9 14 —lipxd 102 —lO4 d 115} —115 i 2 ifts 884 894 6 5 a 5 4d 11 13 18 20 284 -- 29 714 72 40 42 ... --- ••• ... --- 2i - 31 -32 10 25 10 1.0.1 10 20 10 20 • .* is IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. LINES LEASED AT FIXED RENTALS, Leasing Closing Prices Business Shr. Paid. RAILWAYS. Compans. this day. this day. 50 all Bedford and London & Bletehley. N. West. ••• 30i all Birm. & Oxf d. DGto.Westn. • 30 304 1 o a u ll BDPiorm— . a Nv i r w t u b t o o e l u e v t . Dudley guar. Do — 30i all Do.wtht guar. Do — St. 100 Buckghamsh. L.ArN.W lO6 108 50 all Clydesdale Jc. Caledon 541 551 St. 100 E. Lincoln gr. 6 per cent. Gt.Nrthn. 150 152 25 all Glstr.& Dn.Fr Gt. Westn 33 34 100 all Hrtlpl. Dk. & Yk. New. Railway & Berw. ••• 50 all Hull & Selby Y. &NMd 113 114 1131 25 all Do. 1 Shares. Do 56 57 121 all Do. i Shares. iDo 271 281 13i all Lon.&Greenw,S. Eastern 14i —14 i 20 all Do.Preference!Do 26 27 20 100 Lowestoft gr. 4 per cent. Norfolk 9B 100 20 1.00 Do. 6 per ct. 51 all Manch. Bxtn. L.& N. W and Matlock & Midld 3 50 all Middlesbro' & Stckton & Redcar Darlingt. 00 all Midld.Bradfd Midland.. 108 109 50 all Northern and Easternsp.c. E. Count. 65 67 50 all Do. 6 per ct. Do 50 all Do. Fixed s p elDo — 25 all Prest. & WyrelL. &Ln& N.&W Yk •• • 121 12 Do. 1 Shares. Do — St. 100 Roystn.&Hit. Gt Northn 150 152 St. 100 Do.Shepth.St l5O 152 25 18i Shef.RothandlLancash& Gooleg.s p.c. Yorksh. • •• • 12 91 S. Staffordsh. M.MClean d 50 all Wear Valleygr Stockt. & 6 per cent... Darlingt. •• • 25 all Do Do 32 33 32i inn Wilts&,Somrst.GtWestn lO2l -- 1031 HOUSE OF LORDS—(YESTERDAY.) The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the woolsack at five o'clock. _ _ PETITIONS. The Earl of WICKLOW presented a petition from 50 of the most eminent clergymen and lawyers in Dub lin, complaining of the alterations lately made in the national system of education in Ireland, the effect of which was to place it in the power of a single child to exclude religious works from a school, and praying their lordships not to sanction such alteration. Lord BEAUMONT presented a petition from clergy men, justices of the peace, and other persons in a re spectable position, in favour of the liberation of Edward Murray, now under imprisonment for life in the Papal territory. The Duke of BUCCLEUCH presented a petition from Glasgow in favour of the Public Houses (Scotland) Bill. Lord COLVILLE presented nineteen petitions from places in Scotland against the Universities (Scotland) 68i 6 8 22g 20 till. COURT OF COMMON LAW (IRELAND (BILL) On the motion of the LORD CHANCELLOR, in the absence of Eord Brougham, who was away from indisposition, this bill went through committee. GENERAL BOARD OF HEALTH (No. 3) BILL. This bill passed through committee. NAVAL COAST VOLUNTEERS BILL. 12i 13 1 50 75 4i 5050 This bill was read a second time. PUBLIC LIBRARIES (IRELAND AND SCOT LAND) BILL. The report of the amendments to this bill was con sidered and agreed to. 73A 4 125 85 i 51, 1 1 134 5 112 101 11 10 l2 89i 90 50 PRIVATE WATER BILLS. Lord WHARNCLIFFE moved an additional stand ing order to the effect, that when an application was made to Parliament for a bill which proposed to abstract water from any stream, notice of such bill should be given on or before the 15th December preceding the ap plication, to all persons using the waters of such stream for a distance of 20 miles below the point at which such water was intended to be abstracted. Lord REDESDALE supported the resolution, which was carried. IRISH LANDLORD AND TENANT BILLS. The Marquis of CLANRICARDE inquired whether the bills before the house relating to the law of landlord and tenant in Ireland, which purported to consolidate a large number of statutes, had been submitted to the law advisers of the Irish Government, and whether their opinion had been obtained as to the safety and accu racy of those bills in that respect. The Duke of NEWCASTLE said the bills were sub mitted to the present Lord Chancellor and the Attorney and Solicitor General in Ireland, and he had great plea sure in saying that their report upon them was that they were drawn up with great care, skill, and accuracy. Their report was accompanied by a recommendation that they should be passed as speedily as possible into law. The Marquis of CLANRICARDE believed that it was physically impossible for these functionaries to have seen and approved of the bills in their present state, for on their last stage in the other house it appeared that five acts of Parliament had been omitted from the sche dules, and five other acts inserted. The Duke of NEWCASTLE promised to make in quiry into the subject. The subject then dropped. THE EASTERN QUESTION. The Marquis of CLANRICARDE then rose and said—My lords, I last week took the liberty of putting a question on the same subject to which I have again to call your lordships' attention. I received an answer upon that occasion from my noble friend, which I am pleased to say was quite satisfactory. But, my lords, unfortunately I am compelled almost to repeat the same question in consequence of information which has since been received. According to information which has ap peared in the public journals of this country, under date of " Jassy, 28th July," it appears that the government of that province has been entirely superseded, and a new government has been established by the authority of the Russian Emperor. it appears that the Hospodar is allowed to form part of the new government, but three assistants are named with him, and this council has the entire legislative and a dministrative government of those provinces. I believe the same course has been pursued in Wallachia as in Moldavia, and those provinces are now under a new administrative and legislative govern ment, appointed by the Emperor of Russia. But, my lords, that is not all. It appears that contributions for the support of the Russian forces are levied directly in those provinces, and that certain Boyards have been forcibly compelled to enlist in the service of the Russian Emperor. We have then these provinces, if these ac counts be correct, in every respect under the rule and government of the Czar ; the administrative and legisla tive functions are carried on under Russian authority ; the taxation and resources of the country are managed under Russian authority ; and, more than that, the Russian armies are recruited from the inhabitants of the country. Now, the first question which I have to ask my noble friend is, whether he has received any infor mation on this subject, either contradicting or confirm ing the state of things which 1. have just now stated. The second question—and it is one which very naturally occurs, and so naturally that I cannot refrain from putting it, even though I may be possibly thought in discreet in doing so—is one which lam sure every man in this country, and every member of either house of Parliament, is most anxious to receive information. What, if these facts are true, if they cannot be contra tradicted, what has the Government of this country done thereupon ? The questio n divides itself naturally into two parts—what has been done here at home, and what has been done by the English functionaries abroad ? (Hear, hear.) I have very li tt l e d o ubt as regards the latter point, and I hope I shall be told there is very little reason to doubt that at the moment I have the honour of addressing your lordships the combined fleets are at last before Constantinople, the other side of the Dardanelles. (Hear, hear.) I cannot imagine it pos sible that the ambassadors of France and England have any restriction to their discretion at present as to the directions they may give the admiral commanding the forces to which I have referred. Nor can I doubt for an instant that my noble friend and relative at Constan tinople will have thought right to act with spirit and energy, as becomes the representative of this great country. (Hear.) If I ask what has been done at home, I expect and hope I shall be told that either long before this intelligence was received, or since it has been received, there has been not a request for explanation, but a categorical demand that the Danubian principali ties shall be evacuated by the Russian forces. (Hear.) I say if we have undertaken and advised the Porte, so that the Porte holds her arm and has not attempted to defend her property, we have made ourselves parties to these transactions as well by what is doing now as by what has been done by formal treaties. I cannot be lieve, my lords , no r will I allow m yself to believe, that these statements are in all respects correct ; because if it be true that Rus sia has assume d the government of those principalities, has taken possession of the terri tory, and committed this aggression upon Turkey, it is an entire contradiction to the circulars voluntarily issued to the Courts of Europe, as well as the manifesto, issued by the Russian general upon entering the provinces. I am not going to discuss that matter now, of which no tice has been given for a future evening ; but I must say I cannot doubt that the energetic steps to which I have adverted must have been taken upon these pro ceedings, which are the strongest possible proceed ings of war. I believe I told your lordships that when the Russian forces moved into those provinces the Russian •general declared that it was not war with Turkey. What I have described is of the character of war, and if you do not say it is war, then I say it is piracy. (Hear.) It is war or piracy, and I want to know whether we are in a condition to suffer war upon such a pretext as is put forward, or to stand by and see an act of piracy committed upon Turkey ? (Hear.) I say, if we are told it is a question of treaties whether the fleet shall go inside or outside the Dardanelles, a state of war has abolished all treaties between Russia and Turkey as far as Russia is concerned. (Hear.) There does not exist one treaty binding Turkey to Russia after such an aggression as I have described. There is no reason for not acting ; and what is the state of things at home ? We are told, by answers in either house of Parliament, "we have sent notes." You may send other notes ; and we are told another note was sent last Sunday or Monday from Vienna ; but while you are sending notes the Russian forces are advancing even beyond the principalities named, and are taking possession of territories nearer to Constantinople. We have had news to-day which I gladly term good news. The news in the papers is that the proposal has been received favourably at St. Petersburg. But we do not know what that proposal is, and before we can express our unqualified satisfaction we ought to know what that proposal ha s been. It cannot be the proposal alluded to last week in the House of Commons, which to Eng t land and France was satisfactory, because it only lef Vienna on the Sunday or Monday. This good news is under a,dvices from St. Petersburg of the 3d inst., and therefore it is utterly impossible, the proposal leaving Vienna on the Ist, it could have reached St. Petersburg by the 3d. The advices from St. Petersburg of the 3d notmust relate to some ustrian proposition. We do :know what that was Abut I am sure, after what ha . s the houses of Parliament and the country will passed,onsider no proposition satisfactory, if it be not a propo sitionc for the immediate evacuation of the Turkish terri tory. Besides this good news, we have news of a . different quality ; for it is stated that the Russian force in the flo tilla collected at Ismail has taken possession of the whole of the inner part of the river, This force consists of I 25 mi I St. all IDo 100 Wilt s &,So mr a t 7i 18 7i' all Agua Fria all Anglo Austrin. Gold all Anglo Californian 2 Australasian 5 Australian all Australian Cordillera all Australian Freehold all Ave Maria all Baden (Gd. Duchy of) all British Austrin. Gold 13.5 British Iron 24 Brazilian Imp. (issued 1031 2 31x.d 1151 i 16 89 8i 9i 1 30 28 9 20 71i i 2i li 10 at £5 pna all Do. Cocaes & Cuiada 15 Do. 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New Scrip 25 South Austral. Land all Submarine Telegraph 28 Van Diemen's Land, - 1 p id par par p 1 —l}•p - ii - 2 2i.pl ii :- iO 38 I 16 - 17 MARKET NEWS-(THIS DAY.) COLONIAL. SUGAR.—The demand has been limited both for export and home use. Still prices are not lower. There is no increase in the demand for duty-paid. Refined has been brisk for home - made g oods. Brown grocery lumps 465. The quantity of British plantation landed last week at East and West India Docks was 1,453 hhds., 66 tierces, 514 barrels • there were taken for home consumption 3,637 hhds., '206 tierces, 807 barrels. The stock in els the same places is 1 2 ,7 91 hhds. , 1,990 tierces, 4,407 barr. l a ntation C OF FEE.—There has been m ore demand for p Ceylon, especially coloury sorts. Former terms are easily o btainable. Mocha is firm, but not m uch asked re . easily quantity landed last week at the East and West India Docks was 574 puns. 3 hhds. ; there were taken for en s. 75 249 puns. thedds, and ex ported 67 puns. 75 hhds. The stock in same places is 9,207 puns. 448 hhds. RICE.—At auction 683 bags Bengal were all taken in at 12s. to 12s. 6d. per cwt. The market is dull. TALLOW.—P. Y. C. is 525. 6d. per cwt. on the spot, and town 535. 6d. This article droops. prove, TEA.—The demand for home consumption does not im and the exports are trifling. HAY MARKETS. S MITHF IELD. —Old meadow hay, 4/ 5s to 5/ 12 s ; ne w ditto, 2/ 1 2 s to 4 / Os ; old clover 5/ Os to 6/ Os ; new ditto, 3/ 12s to 4/ 15s ; and straw, 118 s to 1 / 16 s per lo ad. A moderate supply , and a sluggish demand. C IIMB ERLAND.—OId meadow hay, 41 58 to 5/ 15s OLI ; new ditto, 2/ 13s to 4/ Os ; old clover, Si Os to 610 a ; new ditto, 3/ 108 to 4 at l 15s ; andti stras.w, 1/ 8s to 1/ 16 s per load. Trade steady, our quotaon W HIT ECHAPEL.—OId meadow hay, 4/ 15 to 5 / 12 s ; new ditto, 2/ 15s to 41 Os ; old clover, 510 s to 6/ Os ; new ditto, 3/ 10s to 4/ Os ; and straw, 118 s to 1/ 16 s per lo ad. Supply moderately good, and trade rather dull. LLOYD'S SHIPPING.-(THIS DAY. --- LONDON, Aug. 9.—Wind this day at Noon, Easterly, and fine. B.—Part of the stern of a French M AR GATE, Aug. vessel has been passed this side of the Knock, by the Pan dora, arrived here. .—W DEAL, Aug. Bind, E. by N. moved —doyen Ni . colao, Bahia. Aug. 9 (10 a.m.)—Wind, N.E. Quebec ; Victory, Denmark. COWES, Aug. 8.--Wind, variable. Sailed—Conquest, Civita Veechia. F ALM OUTH, Aug. S.—Ai-lived —Witch of the Wave, Brown, Odessa. Off Port—Maid of the Isles, St. Helena, ; National, Bahia. PORTSOUTH, Aug. B.—Wind, variable. Arrived— H.M.'s a t. Terrible, Westward ; H.M.'s st. Magicienne, Ch , innel. SOUTHAMPTON, Aug. B.—Arrived —Colville (s), Carentan. Sailed— Teviot (s), West I ndies ; Madrid (s), Gibraltar. H BRISTOL, Aug. B. — Wind , E. Arrived—Minuet, a vannah. Sailed—ldas Demerarra, Newfoundland. 8 a ; Flo LIVERPOOL, Aug. .—Wind, N.W. to W. Arrived — Furst, Alexandria ; Angelo, Constantinople. Sailed— \ Alice Gill, Montreal ; Piscator , Newfoundland ; Chi, Malta , Washington, M e lb ou rne - Robert Ritson , Cal cutta ; Mayflower, New Orleana ;'W. V. Kent, Philadel phia. ; Niagara, New York ; Countess of London, Quebec ; I Fairy, Newfoundland ; Nassau Belle, Alexandria ; Fidget, Sailed- -Waverley, Malaga. LYMINGTON, Aug. 6.—The Lady Dundas was in contact off Lowestoft, July 23, with the Gleanor, of Woodbridge ; stove jolly-boat, and received other damage, GLOUCESTER, Aug. B.—Arrived—Feross Fortunate, Ibrail ; Paolain, Salouica. Sailed—Bride, Quebec. SHIELDS, Aug. B.—Wind, W. Sailed —Arlington , Philadelphia ; Florence, and Liverpool, New York. HULL, Aug. B.—Wind, W.N.W. Arrived —Rapid , and Peter Johansen, Riga. Sailed—Revolin, Odessa ; Hilda, and Johanna Christina, Riga; Columbine, New York ; Tancredi, Constantinople. TAB SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY EVENING, ATJGIYST 9, 1858. 200 boats, 150 being gun-boats. So we have not only an invasion of Moldavia and Wallachia, but while you are passing notes and sending couriers, we have an in vasion of Bulgaria, -and the whole of that great river, the most important, perhaps, to the commerce of all Europe, taken possession of on both sides by Russian forces. These are things upon which, though wishing to wait with the utmost patience for explanations until convenient for the Government to make them, and wish ing not hastily to say one word which can excite the public mind on the subject, I find it impossible to re frain from asking a question with the hope of obtaining a direct and very clear answer. I can assure your lord ships I believe there is no man in either house of Par liament who has a more sincere abhorence of war than I have, unless it be necessary—l do not say justifiable — but unless it be necessary for the honour and character, and essential to the dignity of this country. At the same time, if we are to sacrifice our honour and charac ter, then I say the whole material interests of the coun try must suffer. (Hear, hear.) It is therefore, my lords, that I have taken the liberty of making this statement before asking the question of which I have given notice. I wish to know—whether any official information has been received by her Majesty's Government, leading them to believe that the statement I have made is cor rect ; and if that is the case, what steps her Majesty's Government have taken, or propose to take, in conse quence of the proceedings of the Russian authorities ? The Earl of CLARENDON—My lords, I am afraid it will not be in my power to give my noble friend any answer which materially differs from that which I gave him five days ago to the same question. I agree en- The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH begged to ask the noble earl, if her Majesty's Government had received any information of an arrangement by which Russia had advanced large sums of money to Persia, and taken in part payment the province of Tieran. _ -- - Mr. COWPER was happy to be able, is held en% prospect that such hope would be shortly realised. hon. gentleman said the American and the Peninsul and Oriental contracts had been most efficiently 4 formed, but the service to the West Indies and Austral had been exceedingly defective. The Government, hos ever, had not acted with any harsh hostility, and the contracts would be annulled unless the services were more punctually performed. Mr. HUME urged upon the Government the necessity of encouraging the principle of ocean penny postage. It was impolitic to continue the existing high rate of colonial postage while emigration continued so extensive as it had been of late years. Mr. JOHN MACGREGOR also dwelt upon the importance of establishing ocean penny postage, and added his testimony to the efficiency and punctuality with which the United States service was performed. Mr. JAMES MACGREGOR observed that a reduo tion had taken place in the cost of carrying mails by' her Majesty's ships. The reduction he saw was from 77,0001. to 35,0001., and he should be glad to know whether it was intended still further to reduce the num ber of mails carried by her Majesty's ships. Mr. COWPER explained that the reduction had arisen from the Mediteranean mails having been transferred from her Majesty's ships to the Peninsular and Oriental Company's vessels. If the mail service between Dover and the continent could be performed more economically by contract than by her Majesty's vessels, a change would be made accordingly. He would take that oppor tunity of stating that Government had it in contempla tion to reduce the rate of postage, and to extend the service to Australia. The vote was then agreed to. On the question that 200,0001. be voted to defray the expenses of the Kafir war, Mr. ADDERLEY thought the house ought not to allow this vote to pass without obtaining some informa tion as to the settlement of the war. A very liberal constitution had been extended to the Cape, and this was a most opportune period for ascertaining upon what terms the war had been settled. He had the fullest confidence in the wisdom of the Colonial Ministers, while he fully concurred in the consti tution which had been conceded to the Cape ; but the Minister had committed an error with regard to the limits of territory which he had attempted to establish. There was no more fruitful source of war than the capricious settlement of frontier questions, and yet would the country believe that several successive Minis ters had pursued a different frontier policy towards the Cape. (Hear, hear.) The consequence of this had been perpetual war, and so long as this country undertook the maintenance of the ex ist in.. frontiers by European troops, so long would it be involved in a war with the native Kafir tribes. He therefore recommended the Government to adopt the same policy in the Cape that was formerly applied to our American colonies, and leave the frontiers to be de fended by militias raised from amongst the settlers them selves. He complained of the abandonment of territory which had recently taken place in the Cape, particularly of the Orange River territory, which had endangered the situation of Natal, and recommended that the present frontier policy of the Colonial-office should be reversed. Mr. F. PEEL said the new constitution had been received throughout the colony as a boon, and he had no doubt that it would prove advantageous, as well to the mother country as to the colony. With regard to the question of territory which the hon. gentleman had raised, he contended that the frontier policy of the Co lonial-office was both wise and safe. Much of the terri tory which it was proposed to be abandoned had always been a burden to this country, while it was almost out of its power, or the power of the settlers, to defend it ; and the Colonial-office had therefore sent out Sir George Clerk as a commissioner to deal with the whole question in the best manner in which his judgment, in connection with that of the Governor, could suggest. He entirely differed with the hon. gentleman in supposing that the abandonment of the Orange River territory would endanger the safety of Natal, because the latter was entirely independent of the former, and there was a constant steam communication be tween Natal and Cape Town, without it being necessary to touch in the remotest degree upon the Orange River territory. The frequency and expense of these wars, however, rendered it indispensably necessary that some thing should be done to prevent their recurrence. (Hear, hear.) During the last six years no less than 4,000,0001. had been spent upon these wars, but still he doubted with General Cathcart, whether it was expedient at once to withdraw the protection of the European troops, and leave the settlers to defend the territory themselves. That was the mistake which they committed in 1846, and it was, therefore, intended now to pursue the different 'course of leaving the troops to be withdrawn, as the Government and settlers of the colony found they could dispense with their assistance. Sir DE LACY EVANS advocated the abandonment of the Orange territory. Mr. V. SMITH did not believe that this was the last vote they would be asked for Fa connection with the Kafir war. He approved of the abandonment of the Orange River territory, and thought some other terri tories would have to be abandoned yet before the colony would be safe. The vote was then agreed to. On the motion of Lord J. RUSSELL, the chairman was directed to report progress, and the house having resumed, he obtained leave to sit again at six o'clock. The other twelve o'clock orders were then disposed of, and the house rose at four o'clock. The Earl of CLARENDON—In answer to the noble earl, I have seen this report, as the noble earl has done, and I have taken the best means I can of verifying the facts, but as yet I have no official information on the subject. If I may draw inferences from other informa tion, I should say no such arrangement has been made. The Liberated Africans Bill, the Land Tax Redemp tion Bill, the Newspaper Stamp Duties Bill, and the Consolidated Annuities (Ireland) Bill were severally read a second time. GOVERNMENT OF INDIA BILL. The house then went into committee on this bill. On clause 1, Lord ALBEMARLE said that Parliament having as sented to the double government, it must be taken with all its enormous expense, but he suggested the doing away with the Governor and Council of Madras and Bombay, and the substitution of a lieutenant-governor. The clause was agreed to. On clause 2, Lord ELLENBOROUGH proposed an amendment, providing that if the Court of Directors should neglect to sign any document within a given time, the signature of an official of the Board of Control should suffice to make such document valid. After discussion it was agreed that the power of affix ing such signature should be conferred on commis sioners. The clause was agreed to. On clause 3, Lord ELLENBOROUGH moved that the time for the appointment of the Government directors should be extended, in order to see what men would be appointed by the Court, and he also proposed to alter the number of three to that of six. After discussion these amendments were negatived, and the clause was agreed to, as were clauses 4 and 5. On clause 6, Lord ELLENBOROUGH proposed that all retired officers of twenty years' service in India should have votes in the election of directors. This would add about 1,250 votes and make the whole constituency 3, 000 a number which he defied any one to canvass. The Duke of ARGYLL reminded their lordships that they had already agreed to carry on the government of India by means of the company, which consisted only of its stockholders. Government had not proposed to create a new constituency, which would be done by Lord Ellenborough's amendment. After some discussion this amendment was negatived, and the clauses agreed to. Clause 7 to 12 inclusive were agreed to. On clause 13 (that imposing the director's oath), Lord ELLENBOROUGH objected that the oath was carlessly framed, and that although a director swore that he would not take any emolument, he did not pledge himself not to take any promise of emolument, and also objected to the oath to support the Company's Govern ment. The last clause, "to be indifferent and equal to all manner of persons," he also said must be perpetually violated, and was intended to be. He prepared an oath of his own, which would bring the parties taking it to a sense of their real position, which was that of trustees for the Crown, and not for a defunct company, and which also provided against corruption. Lord HARROWBY thought that both oaths were in sulting to the directors, who were called upon to give an obligation demanded of no other functionaries. Lord GRANVILLE proposed to re-consider the oath, and hring is forward again on the third reading. Clauses up to 20, inclusive, were agreed to. On clause 21, Lord ELLENBOROUGH expressed his hope that a competent member of council acquained with home business would be appointed to aid the Governor-Gene ral ; and he spoke strongly of the ignorance of such business and want of habits of dispatch prevalent in India. tirely now, as I did last week, in everything which has fallen from my noble friend with respect to the con sequences which will arise, both to Turkey and to Europe, from any permanent occupation or anything re sembling a permanent occupation of the principalities by Russia. But I must again inform my noble friend that we have no official information of the character which he has now brought before this house. lam not certainly prepared to deny that many of the acts to which he has alluded may have been committed by the Russian Go vernment. I have derived my information merely from the same sources as my noble friend, and in that way it is stated that there has been a sort of committee of go vernment formed for carrying on the business of the principalities together with the Hospodars. But we have no information whatever of that kind, and I am sure my noble friend will agree with me, and I am sure your lordships will also be of opinion, that for her Majesty's Government to act upon reports at they arise would be the height of rashness ; yet in no other way could we have proceeded in carrying out the measures to which my noble friend has adverted. My noble friend has said he believes the Danube has been crossed, and Bulgaria invaded. I have no reason to believe such is the fact, but the contrary, because I have this afternoon received letters from Galatz, dated the 28th of July, in which no allusion whatever is made to such an occurrence. But certainly some allusions are made, which I shall not ad vert to, respecting a few gun boats brought down there, and the bellicose character of the general arrangements at that point. We have likewise received letters from Jassy of the 27th July, and from Bucharest of the 26th July, and no mention is made in them of this new form of government being established. It is perfectly true that the presence of the Russian troops there is alluded to as a hardship, and that the peasants are withdrawn from their agricultural operations, and made to do a certain amount of work ; but there is no mention of recruits being drawn from amongst them. Mention is made of a large amount of provisions being sent from Bessarabia, which is Russian territory, for the use or the Russian troops in the principalities. I therefore say, and I am sure your lordships will agree with me, that to have acted upon any such information as we have seen in the newspapers would have been premature, especially as some of the re ports referred to last week have already proved to be in correct. I can only say further, that my noble friend can not exceed me in his abhorrence of war and in his anxiety and desire for peace, provided that peace is an honour able peace. (Hear.) lam sure no other peace would ever be for the interests of this country, or receive the support of this great nation. (Hear.) But, my lords, I must say that, at the point at which we are arrived in these negotiations, when I do see reason to hope they are tending to a satisfactory and peaceful solution, ex citing debates in either House of Parliament are not likely to produce that peace, and that peculiar character of peace which would alone be beneficial to this court try. (Hear.) I must inform my noble friend that the negotiations appear to have assumed exactly that cha racter which we all have most desired. (Hear.) This question has not been left as one simply between Russia and the Porte. It has not been left as one between England and France, united closely for supporting Tur key against Russia. It has assumed a European cha. raster. (Hear.) It is not only the Porte, it is Austria, it is Prussia, it is France, it is England, acting together in order to check designs which they consider inconsistent with the balance of power, or those territorial limits established by previous agreement. This, I say, is a state of things which must be satisfactory to your lord ships and to the country, because it is likely to lead to a more satisfactory and more permanent conclusion. (Hear.) I think my noble friend will not press me to enter more into details as to the state of the negotiations now pending between Vienna and St. Petersburgh, when I assure him that nothing has been done at Vienna without the consent of the French and English Govern ments, and that the French and English Governments will consent to nothing which does not protect and se cure the independence of Turkey. (Hear.) The Earl of MALMESBURY said it was impossible to believe that when two countries of the importance and power of France and England stood forward in defence of a country like Turkey, and agreed upon a policy of action, that negotiations would close in anything prejudicial to the honour or credit of either of those great nations. He had no wish to embarrass her Majesty's Government, or to say one word which could in any manner, the most remote, in terfere with the negotiations now being carried on ; but there was a point at which the patience displayed by that side of the house could not be further extended. Parliament would be prorogued in the course of a week or ten days, and yet the public knew nothing of what had passed in the negotiations between this country and Russia. They were perfectly well informed with respect to the negotiations—or at least had a very fair idea of the negotiations between France and Russia from the circular of M. Drouyn de Lhuys, and they had been in formed by the same kind channel of so much of the policy of Russia as they could judge of from the two circulars of Count Nesselrode. At the same time, her Majesty's Government had not uttered a word or availed themselves of the same channels of information. He thought some explanation a little more detailed than that which the noble earl had given should be laid before Parliament before it separated for five or six months. He saw no reason why the opinion of Parliament on this important question should not be made known to this country and to foreign countries, without producing any debate which should interfere with the negotiations now being carried on. He could only say, if he par ticipated in the debate, he should refrain from saying a single syllable which might interfere with the desirable progress of those negotiations. He trusted under the present circumstances of the session, the noble earl would not refuse to give the country some idea of what lie ex pected from the Russian Government—to tell them a little snore plainly whether it was made a sine qua non that Russia should evacuate the Turkish provinces ; be cause when he talked of objections to a permanent occu pation, it was a phrase difficult to explain ; and it might be " permanent occupation " meant the appropriation of those provinces by Russia. He did not think this country would be satisfied with less than the speedy and comp l e te evacuation of those provinces. (H ea r, hear.) fhe Earl of CLARENDON—I should be very sorry if there existed the slightest misapprehension, even for a single day, with respect to my meaning with regard to the Russian occupation of the Danubian provinces. I have no hesitation now in informing my noble friend, without waiting for any further discussion, that we look to the immediate and complete evacuation of the Da nubian provinces as a sine qua non of any agreement whatever. (Hear, hear.) With respect to any discus sion, or any statement which it is desirable to make, I hope your lordships will bear in mind that the Govern ment have not wished to shrink from this discussion, or to lay the fullest information before Parliament of what has been done. I did not even ask my noble friend to postpone the motion of which he had given notice for a future evening. I felt that if your lordships and the country were pleased to ask for it, you were perfectly right and justified in so doing, and the noble marquis, yielding to the request of the noble lord, did so inde pendent of the Government, and without l even do giving er n e n r the fnr e ,Giotvweriinimbeenrtemnoetiincheeorfedhitshiaitittehne Government m shrink fraovnoinr of any discussion s d si i o se n u ; ss a i l o i n d i a n greatly r e dispositiona yi n c increased a s l e d ever had in f the prospect—l fear not quite soi s mm immediate a prospect —of ft u h n e country should li t av close of the es e every essien.l informationdethilnk w it e d oa es n irable the cogive it, and I can assure my noble friend, nothing will pre vent her Majesty' s G overnment from doing so, except those reasons which have hitherto influenced them — regard for the public service—and which have been re cognised and approved by this house. (Hear, heir.) The clause was agreed to. On clause 22. Lord ELLENBOROUGH moved the omission of the word which was limited to a selection from the " civil" service the Governor-General's appointment of two members of the Legislative Council. Lord BROUGHTON agreed that the Governor ought not to be fettered ; that he had doubts about the work ing of the council, which would become a little parlia ment, and which would, he thought, diminish the autho rity of the Governor-General in the eyes of the natives. Another danger arose from the impossibility of keeping anything secret in India, even the most important dis patch, the contents of which almost invariably oozed out as it was. If we were beginning to govern India in a new way, the experiment could not stop where it was now proposed that it should. Lord WHARNCLIFFE also thought it objectionable to place the Governor-General under the control of a council. Lord GRANVILLE assented to the removal of the word " civil," which was done, and the clause was agreed to. Clauses up to 29 inclusive were agreed to. On clause 30, Lord ELLENBOROUGH moved, as an amendment, that the Commander-in-Chief of the Forces should be ex officio a member of the Council. The amendment, after a brief discussion, was nega tived, and the clause was agreed to, as were clauses up to 35 inclusive. On clause 36 (referring to Haileybury College), Lord MONTEAGLE expressed his behef that a mere examination would prove an unsatisfactory test of merit, and that incompetent candidates would succeed by the process of cramming. Lord GRANVILLE said that it would be disgrace ful to the college if youths who had had a special educa tion there could not, nine times out of ten, beat any one who had been merely crammed. The clause was agreed to. Clauses up to 39 were agreed to. Lord MONTEAGLE moved the insertion of a clause providing that there should be no distinction between covenanted and uncovenanted servants. He desired to ensure the admission of natives to employment. Lord GRANVILLE said that tha proposed clause was framed to contend with an imaginary evil. Under the present measures, the native-born Indian would be admitted to employment if he could show himself duly qualified. The amendment was negatived, and the succeeding clauses were agreed to up to 43 inclusive. On 44 (the new clause relating to the salt monopoly), Lord ELLENBOROUGH strongly condemned this novel interference with the financial system of India. He opposed it on principle, but also believed that it would not produce the benefits which were anticipated to the importer. He hoped that their lordships would strike the clause out of the bill. India ought to be treated as a perfectly independent country in matters of finance. Lord ALBEMARLE cited statistics to show the deprivation sustained by the native in India in regard to salt, and hoped that the Indian authorities would be instructed by the Horse Government to alleviate this state of things. The clause was struck out of the bill. The remaining clauses were then agreed to, and the house resumed. The Crime and Outrage (Ireland) Bill was passed through committee. The Turnpike Acts Continuance (Ireland) Bill was read a second time. The other bills on the paper were advanced a stage, and their lordships adjourned at a few minutes after half-past twelve. The house re-assembled at six o'clock. PETITIONS. Mr. POTTER presented a petition from Limerick against the bill for settling the question of Ministers' money in Ire land. Mr. RETA NN presented a similar petition from Drogheda. Sir J. SHELLEY gave notice that he would to-morrow (this day) moved for leave to bring in a bill for the estab lishment of a Metropolitan Board of Sewers, and for other purposes connected therewith. He would make that mo tion solely for the purpose of having the bill printed before the recess. THE WORK OF THE SESSION. On the motion of Mr. BROTHERTON, the following returns were ordered to be produced : " Returns of the number of private bills introduced and brought from the House of Lords, and of acts passed in the present session, classed according to the following subjects Railways ; roads and bridges ; waterworks ; p or t s . piers ; harbours and docks ; canals and navi g ations ; c hurches, chapels, and burying-grounds ; paving, lighting, and im proving ; gaols and other county buildings ; inclosures ; small debt courts ; and all other bills and acts : Of all the private bills which, in the present session, have been treated as opposed bills ; specifying those which have been °lust. fled in groups by the committee of selection; together with the names of the selected members who served on each com mittee; the first and also the last day of the sitting of each committee ; the number of days on which each committee sat ; the number of days on which each selected member has served ; the bills the preambles of which were reported to have been proved ; the bills the preambles of which were reported to have been not proved ; the bills referred back to the committee of selection, as having become nu. opposed • and the bills withdrawn or not proceeded with by the p arties : and of all private bills which in the pre. sent session have been referred by the committee of selec tion to the chairman of the committee of ways and means; together with the names of the members who served on each committee, the number of days on which each com mittee sat, and the number of days on which each member attended. " Divisions of the House—Return of the number of di visions of the House of Commons in the present session; stating the subject of division and the number of mem bers iu the majority and minority, tellers included; also, the aggregate number in the house on each division, die ting ushing the divisions on public business from private, and also the number of divisions before and after mid night (in continuation of Parliamentary paper No. 574, of session 1852). " Acts of Parliament—Return of the total number of acts passed in each session since the yearlBoo, distinguish ing the number of public, private, and local and personal acts, and the number relating to Great Britain, England, Scotland, and Ireland, and those relating to the United Kingdom. " Petitions for Private Bills—Returns of all petitions for private bills deposited in the Private Bill tOfficeh the nameo f the House of Commons for the present session ; and address of the agents respectively who have deposited the same. HOUSE OF COMMONS--(YESTERDAY SUPPLY. Mr. HUME objected to the house being forced through committee of supply in the hurried way pro posed. The votes which they were asked to sanction to-day amounted to no less a sum than 4,582,0001. When he first directed attention to these votes they were only between 15,0001. and 18,0001., but they had been going on increasing ever since, and they had now reached the sum he had now mentioned. He did not mean to say there were not reasons for the increase, but he thought they should adopt another course in a future session, and submit the votes to a select committee be fore they were proposed to the house. The house then went into committee of supply. On the vote of 20,0001. for civil contingencies Mr. HUME went through the items of the vote, and urged various reductions ; and, after some discussion, the vote was agreed to. On the question that 550,8871. be voted to her Majesty to defray the expenses of the Commissariat Department, Mr. HUME complained that nothing had been done to reduce the expenses of the department, although re ductions and abolitions had been suggested by the com mittee up stairs. H e thought that great redu c ti ons might be made in this vote, so far as it applied to the colonies. Mr. WILSON defended the vote, and stated that Government were doing all in their power to gradually reduce the vote. Sir J. GRAHAM announced that the Colonial De partments, connected with both the Army and Navy, were in progress of reduction. The vote was then agreed to. The sum of 45,2291. was voted to her Majesty to de fray the expenses of the half-pay pensions of officers attached to the Commissariat Department. On the question that 3,500/. be voted to her Majesty to defray the expenses of the salary of the Governor of Jamaica, Mr. AMIE expressed a hope that the next session some plan would be brought forward by which the country would be relieved from these charges. The vote was agreed to. - Sir J. GRAHAM in moving that 50,000/. be voted to her Majesty to defray the expense of the new coast vo lunteers, said it was not intended to call out the full com plement of 10,000 men this year, but only to enlist 5,000 00 men. The vote was, consequently, for only half estimate. Capt. SCOBELL complained that while bounties were paid to militiamen and coast volunteers, no such boun ties were paid to able seamen on their entering the navy. The result was that the navy contained many inferior seamen. Sir J. GRAHA M told the hon. and ga ll an t member that if he wouo to Spithead on Thursday bservation he would find he wa s in e g rror so far as his went. (Hear-) The vote was then agreed to. On the question that 835,2121. be voted to her Ma jesty, to defray the expense of the Post-office Packet Service, Mr. HUME took the opportunity of expressing a h o pe that the whole syst em of our p acket service would- be speedily reformed. ef s V - V . -. . 14- .t ., , 1 .`t 1 ....... 4 ;KiV:. ' ? it t 7-4 o %\ e : t \ ... • ./4 11/2 I •Nco7;‹,l je eo cr a : smP:utabtuleidecs tappointed ponianrnames Committees—Return eecis i onfthe memberspresentof t h a p e p n o u i nmt session,bt cir, their o a f n public d tshuebi chairman ; the number of days on which each committee sat, and the number of days on which each member served on each committee. " Business of the House—Returns of the number of each of the following motions which have been made in the house before the order of the day and notices have been disposed of, or in any committee of the whole house, in the sessions 1849, 1850, 1852, and 1852-3, viz. :-1. That this house do now adjourn. 2. That this house, at its rising, will adjourn till Monday next, or any future day. 3.. \ That a debate be now adjourned. 4. That a chairman of a committee of the whole house do report progress. 5. That the chairman do now leave the chair. And distin guishing in each class the number of such motions which were withdrawn, negatived, or agreed to by the house or the committee, and the number upon which there were divisions. " Sittings of the House.—Return of the number o ri f t da ne y: on which the House of Commons sat in t he p ro se sion, stating, for each day, the date of thean mdontthhe anhodurthosf day of the week, the hour of meeting , time ; and also the average the sittings of the house, and . h the house sat each adjournment ; and the total number of hours occupied in show ing the number of hours on whiz? m idnight ; and the day, and the number of hours v o• o fa_ and proceed i ngs (in number of entries in each day's yes con tinuation of Parliamentary Papers No. 576, of session 1352)• en ,l list of the public bills " Public Bills.—Alohabe - : in to the House of Commons during the present sessioun, stating by whom introduced, which have been intro b a i or which have been ced ght from the House of Lords ; mever°ral stages in this house, and dia. which have since become law con -1852).e te paper, No. 575, of session tin dates taion of Perim n " g o f th th os e e ir _.w s Si r H. WILLOUGETBY moved for the following re- tu L n— ngs Banks.—Return, in continuation of the Bar• iismentary No. 12, of session, 1852, giving, under the head No. 1, the altered form of classification of depositors' balances, as rendered by the banks to the national debt commissioners for 1851 and 1852 ; and, under head No. 5, showing in addition to the detailed statements there given, the aggregate amount of stocks and securities sold and pur chased by the commissioners on account of savings banks, for each of the years 1851 and 1852, ending on the 20th day of November. " Savings Banks.—Return, in continuation of Parks• mentary paper, No. 214, of session, 1852, showing in ad. dition to the detailed statements there given, the aggro• gate amounts under column to 1 to column 6 inclusive, for each of the years 1851 and. 1852, ending on the 20th day of November, and giving under column 5 a detailed, account of the incidental expenses defrayed by the na• tional debt commissioners out of the funds of the savings banks." Agreed to. Sir G. PECHELL moved fora return of the number of visitors admitted to see the apartments and pictures at $ - D1 "A 54 24d 33t, ...d1 ~ - •• • • -- • 4, - B't - 51 - 93 - 61 - 60 - 69 - LI 13 , i - 3g -- 714 35/ - 25 - 14 1 8i - 31 - 52 95 63 62 20 10 14! 20 72 . 35i 6 69i 9 20 12 50 50 60 i i 100 20 1 2 it 1131 14 ~ -- •, 1149 - IGI 1.14 - - 116 1118 - 122 ... - 1715 1 -- i l 7 24 - 25,i 2 -- 2b 10} -10 t 17i -- 18 P 14 -- 15 par 251 -26 i 112 -- 114 194 --2 0} d F __s 103 - 105 58 - 5i par PI -- 11 14 A - 1 p 21 -- lid 4 1 -- 5 iP lgp 2i 2 -- 2ip 12. Id id 71 -- 74 4 -- 4i 11 -- 11 - 14 - par ly pl 7, - 8 3%-34/ 3! t 4 —l } 8 91 28 174 18 p 47 49 3 46 6&— 38 38 /7 ; 5 1i 1 cl 20 2 21 91 9 • 41 4i 6R 7.1 . 6 i id 14 3 —2d 150 5h 116 1141 FOR: lIGN. x in MINES. 1 d. par - Pm ld par 14 td - l i d id par 7 9 31 - 44 3 - 4 311 i id par 4;i 484 i 10 —ll P 60 70 7 8 p, 2i 2dl 11 16 li id 1 par 9 —lO a d— par i 7 P, P ••• ••• _ d aP 23 25 8 i 7 4 3 Id par 6 8 4 d id I d BANKS• 81 - 83 P ad par— i p 2 2,p - 49 - 51 dig— par 44 46 71i —72or.d. 8 83 EOU S . 3k i li 2 10,i I_, i 49i 9 50 72421xd 32i i 3i x.(l 6i i 7 21 2i 13 li i 6i