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:` ,1 io; I . ( -- yY 29( eft-t -72(4/-1:77' NUMBER 9263.] OFFICE OF ORDNANCE, April 17, 1822. THE • -PRINCIPAL OFFICERS of HIS MAJESTY's ORDNANCE do hereby give Notice, that 'PROPOSALS will be received at their Office in Pall Mall, on or before the 6th May next, from such Persons as may be Willing to purchase 600,000 BRICKS, and 200,000 BATS, or 6,1 Y part thereof, wising from Tower in Hollesley Bay, which has been taken down, and the Bricks cleaned. The Bricks arc second Grey Stocks, and very sound, and are favourably situated for shipping off the mouth of the Ilivpr Alder, in Suffolk. The Proposals are to specify the price per Thousand, to be s hipped at the expence of the Purchaser, and must be dell- Yered, sealed up and indorsed, " Proposals for the purchase vi Bricks;" but no Proposal can be ads itted after the 6th kay next, at Twelve o'Clock at Noon. By Order of the Board, R. H. CREW, Sec. St. MARY, NEWINGI9N, SURREY. 4.. N SUNDAY NEXT, TWO SERMONS Iv will be Preached in this Church, for the BENEFIT Of S IX - HUNDRED CHILDREN belonging to the UNUED Righ t of this PARlSH;—that in the Morning by the -night Reverend WILLIAM Lord Bishop of LANDAFF, and that in the Afternoon by the Reverend WILLIAM JEPH-. S ON, A.M. Curate of Little Trinity, in the Minories. Ser .vice will begin at t t o'clock in the-Morning, and at 4 in the Afternoon —This Charity has recently been enlarged on the . Madiat System, and united with the National Society. It now consists of 410 Boys and 214 Girls-240 of whoa] aman nuAllyClothed. ' THOMAS ENGLAND, Sec. .FURSUAN I' to a PECREE of the HIGH COURT of 'CHANCERY, made in a CAUSE, THOMPSON against STRINGER, :TR& CREDITORS of EDWARD QUIL TEE the Elder, late of the Town of Leicester, in the Comity of Leicester,' innkeeper, -deceased, (who died in or but the month of June, Ow), are forthwith. by their Sob-. * c ilof,to come in and PROVE their DEBTS before WILLIAM ALExANDER, Esq. one . of the Masters of the said Court, at . 11i s Chambers, in Southampton Buildings, Chancery-lane, uondon, or in default thereof they will be excluded the be nefit of the said Decree. F. HILDITCH. Solicitor. 43. Lincoln's Inn-fields. N.EWPORT, PEMBROKESHIRE. Pir 0 be „SOLD, to the best Bidder, :before ABEL MOYSEY, Esq., Deputy Remembrancer of the Court of Exchequer, on the 14th day of May, 1822 ; at Twelve o'Clock at Noon, at his °rite, Mitre-court Buildings, Inner Temple, London, pursuant to an Order of the said Court, 142 ( 1 e in a Cause " The KING a gainst JOHN OWEN," a FREEHOLD ESTATE, consisting of a Messuage or Avelling-house, with the Appurtenances, situate in the Town ( INewport, in the County of Pembroke, lately seized into the hands, under a Writ of Extent.—Particulars may ,abortiv be had, grads, at the Office of the said Deputy Remem brancer, No. Xl7, Mitre-court -Buildings, Temple, London ; She Fishguard Arm, in Fishguard ; the Castle, Newport ; and the Angel, Cardigan. This Day was published, in s co. price 2s. s,wed, A N ESSAX‘on some GENERAT PLES of POLITICAL ECONOMY, on ) I'AXES upon -"W PRODUCE, and on COMMUTATION of TITHES. - By EDWARD ROGEKS, Esq. Fellow of Gort*llle and Caius College, Cambridge. Medio tutissimLl3 ibis," London: printed for Henry Butterworth. 7, Fleet-street This Day was published, pi ice :as.. TIE CAUSES of the PRESENT DIS TRESSFUL SPATE of the COUNTRY Investigated ; and the supposed Easiest, Speediest, and most Effectual Re - tedies, submitted, With 611 due Respect, to the Members of ° lb Houses of Parliament. • • By JOHN SYMMONS, Esq. F.R. & A.S. 13 P rinted by and for R. Wilks, 89, Chancery-lane; and sold and Martin, 46, New Bond St.; and J. M. Rich r="u. 23 1 , CAnn ti . This Day was, published, price 65., THE NEW EDINBURGH REVIEW, No, IV. for April, 18%2. 4._ 2 CO NTENTS :-I.'The Marquis of Stafford's Improvements in ttherland—. Faustus, by Goethe-3. Burton's Antiquities f i it °Me-4. Davis's Annals of the Dispensary for Children— kAgricultural Distress-6. The Poor Laws of Scotland-7- i Pcs of. Society in America-8. Bishop Tomline's Life of . Essays on Good Living-10. Hibbert on the Shetland nos --11. Halliday's History of the House of Guelph-12. yernuirs of Music—l 3. Ireland's France for the last Seven Lumsden'sl4. Journey from India—lS. Life of Adam t alr- 96. State of the Nation-17. Postscript relative to Law- Lectures on Physiology—l 8. List of New Publications ir r 9 '. Literary and Scienti6e Information of Works in the Vs and fur for PubliCation. \Oiled Wait;ih and lnnes, Edinburgh ; and G. &W. B. somttaker, Ave Nlaria•lane ; and sold by J. Hatchard and Itn. Pi cca dill y ; W . 'S ams, S t . James's-street ; and J. M. blte,hardson, Cornhill, London : -also,Parker, Oxford ighto n and Sons, Cambridge ; and .1. Cumming, Dublin. LAW INTELLIGENCE. k COURT OF CHANCERY, MAY 2. 'rue FORD CHANCELLOR was occupied in his private u„/ 111 1 half-past eleven o'clock, in hearing a Petition ' 4 1. Ching, on Tuesday, applied to his Lordship to which affected the liberty of the subject, on account of hlHonour the Vice-Chancellor having ordered the Petitioner 47 1 , 5 t0 prison until Michaelmas Term, on his looking over rp.,,LuttditYit that had not been filed, as stated by Mr. Ching, CZ. I whose statement it appeared that- the Petitioner had to the custody. of the Warden of the Fleet for the last three t h e ta for a contempt of Court, without any other support than I $ 4 50 . 1 . 1 allowance of fourpence per day. What occured his Z i p ' s private room did not transpire. rietZ MATTER OF J. CLARKE, THE BATH SHOEMAKER. heo.,e, LORD CHANCELLOR on coming into Court observed, ti` a to 4tt d over carefully the papers that had been handed ho t ~,4 111n and was of opn that the young man could ca u ."utain ' relief by attempting to make a motion in five vri c ' e3 which he was not a party. If he had any claim, on t h2e l l he would give no opinion, he must bring it before re ;Pourt by filing a bill, but it was not his duty to give di vinuclls to suitors hew they ought to proceed, as he was con -14,,,4(1 the bar he had the honour to preside over were now, as to first found them, always ready to give their advice gratui th...7Y, wh ere the suitor daiming it was without pecuniary to 'n• lie then directed. that the papers should be delivered Counsel from Somersetshire, who had made the appli n COURT OF KING'S BENCH, MAY 2. THE KING V. HIGHMOi.E. _ b 1 ,41 the ritillg of the Court, the defendant, Dr. Highmore, ,) was found guilty some time ago of a libel on the King, -11 ' 4 humanely allowed to g 6 at large upon his recognizance, Presented himself before the Bench, and moved for the judg ment of the Court on himself. The L ORD CHM F 3 u ST! CE r e ma r ked, that the defendant, on „ former occasion,li had cdns en t e d no t t o come up for judgment. b ert ur • Highmore said he h a d a l ways cons id ere d hi mse lf a t - o plead in mitigation of punishment. ' The Doctor was thn told he must give the Solicitor-General 41° T. ti c-e, if he really would have judgment. turther delay was then described to be inconvenient, and as fto ernian t h ad made up his mind receive punishment, ,i_d not like to b e di sappointed. e LOR D CHIEF JUSTICE.—" If you will have judg entkr into Your own recognizance, and pay a fine of . Is." ;es, inter was still dissatisfied, and exclaimed, his Ma " has used me, his subject, ill. to LoRD CHIEF JUSTICE.—We.must not allow any man turn ed that here. If you repeat those words, you must be , tied out of Court. ‘ll t ile med Docto r did not repeat the assertion, but helda 011, t h e jrivate conversation with Mr. SCAttLETT ; during which, g taken nothi ng ha vi n d ges left th Court. Dr. Highrnore of course retired, y his motion. PARLIAMENT, HOUSE OF LORDS, THURSDAY, MAY 2. Their Lordships, in a Committee of Privileges, heard Counsel and evidence on the , claim of Alexander Home, Esq., to the Earldom of . Marchmont. Several Local and Private Bills were brought from the Commons, and read a first time. Among them was the Dublin Foundling Hospital Bill, brought up by Mr. W. atm. The Duke of BEAUFORT presented a Petition from the Churchwardens of a parish in Somerset shire,'against the Catholic Claims. The Earl of TLIANET presented a Petition from the Unitarian Dissenters of Kendal, against the Marriage Act. The Bank of Ireland Bill was read a third time, and passed.—Adjourned. HOUSE. OF COMMONS. . - Mr. LAMBTON presented a Petition from the inhabitants of Sunderland, praying for the revision of the criminal laws.— Ordered to be printed. Mr.MARRYATT presented apetition from certain merchants of the city of London, against the renewal of the West India Dock Company's charter.—Ordered to lie on the table. Mr. T. WILSON presented a Petition from certain sugar refiners of the city of London, stating that they viewed with alarm the measures which had been introduced into the Ilous.l for permitting a,free trade bebveen the West India Islands and the United States of America.—Ordered to be referred to the Committee on Foreign Trade. Mr. 'BYNG presented a Petition from the inhabitants of Uxbridge, praying for the repeal of the Leather Tax.—Ordered to lie on the table. TREMAYNE presented a Petition from the inhabitants of King's Sand and Cawsand, complaining of the inundations caused by the Plymouth Breakwater. Sir G. COCKBURN observed,. that the inundations only took place during the prevalence of a south-east wind, and he understood they were not of a very extensive nature. • The Petition was ordered to be laid on the table. . YORKSHIRE POLL BILL. • Mr. C. WYNN presented a Petition from, the inhabitants of some part of Yorkshire in favour of the aboVe Bill. Mr. RAMSDEN stated, that when, the Bill came to be dis cussed, it would receive his decided opposition. He was satisfied that the sentiments of the majority of the inhabitants of York.. shire were inimical to the Bill. —• AIL C. WYNN could not conceive how the Hon. Member could have ascertained what were the sentiments of the majority of the inhabitants of the county with respect to the Bill. He (Mr. Wynn) knew that 'eight Petitions most rdspectably and numerously signed, had been presented in its favour. He would' take this opportunity of stating, 'that in consequence of the very important business which' was nxed for to-morrow evening, he did nbt think there would be an opportunity for discussing the Bill ; he would ,therefore arrange with those Gentlemen who were interested in the measure for the appointment of a fu ture day for bringing it forward. The Petition was then laid on the table. _ Mr. LOCKHART presented a Petition from the owners and occupiers of land in Suffolk, Gloucester, and Sussex, com plaining of agricultural distress. The Hon. Member proceeded to deprecate the proposition contained in a resolution which the Member for Portarling:ton . (Mr. Ricardo) had submitted to the House'on a former night, for permitting the foreign corn now in bond to be taken out for home consumption, whenever the average price of wheat in this cotintry should exceed sixty-five shillings. Such a proceeding, he had no hesitation in saying, would be totally destructive of the agricultural interest. Mr. RICARDO said, he would not enter into any discussion upon his Resolution, because a fitter opportunity for doing so would present itself to-morrow evening. Sir T. LETHBRIDGE differed totally from the Hon. Member for Portarlington as to the view which he took of the subject before the House, and believed if the counsel 'of that Hon. Member were followed, the country would fall into a si tuation which the House might have reason to regret. None of the Resolutions which had been proposed, indeed,' met his (Sir T. Lethbridge's) approbation ; and he should be compell ed, as a matter of duty, to submit some Resolutions of his own to the House, calculated, as he hoped, to afford protection to the country. No system yet brought forward did afford any thing like an adequate protection. The House and the country must determine to go the length of really adequate protection, or nothing would be done. His (Sir T. Lethbridge's) Resolu tions would be opposed to all those yet presented to Parlia ment : he might be•told, perhaps, that they went too far ; but in justice to the country he was bound to submit them to the Hotise. , I Mr. HUME requested, that before the House rose, the Ho nourable Baronet (Sir T. Lethbridge) would have the good ness to produce his Resolutions; they might then be -.printed against the following morning, and Members could consider them before they came on to be discussed. Looking at the Honourable Baronet,as one of the landed interest in the House, and supposing that his views would be those of that interest generally, he was anxious to hear what it was that that interest desired, and'what it was they asked in the way of relief. Mr. BURRELL thought he might contribute to the Reso lutions of the Hon. Baronet if he stated a circumstance which had recently come to his knowledge. The freight of corn at present (from Hamburgh, the Hon. Gentleman was understood to say), to this country, would not exceed Is. tid. a quarter on wheat, Is. 3d. on barley, and 9d. on oats. Mr. LOCKHART was adverse to the course proposed by the Hon. Member for Portarlington. The petition was then read, and ordered to lie on the table. Mr. COKE presented a petition from the county of Norfolk, complaining of agricultural distress—Read, and ordered to be printed. STATE OF THE CURRENCY. Mr. DENISON presented a petition from a Gentleman of the name of Taylor, complaining of the distressed state of the landed interest, and of the alteration which had taken place in the value of the currency. The petitioner stated, that in the year 1814, he had (at a loss of 50,0001 by selli ig out from the funds) invested 150,0001. in the purchase of land. He had af terwards mortgaged the same land for 60,0001. ; the mortga gee had now foreclosed, and the property would not sell for one half its original cost. Mr. Taylor farther declared, that he had purchased the land, at the time when the guinea sold for 26 shillings, and the.bank-note for 14. In presenting the peti tion, Mr. Denison believed he was only stating the grievances of a very large body of his Majesty's subjects. Mr. Taylor prayed that a Commission might be instituted to examine into, and regulate, all existing contracts between debtor and creditor, and anticipated the most deplorable consequences from a refu sal of that measure. Under the operation of the existing sys tem, nothing but the extinction of the agricultural interest could be expected; the tenant must sink to the condition of a serf, and the landlord would become a mere trustee for pauperism and taxation. . . Mr. Serjeant ONSLOVV, in referring to the circumstances under which the Petitioner had made his bargain, said that contractors must be taken .to contemplate consequences ; the currency, at the period alluded to, had certainly been in an unnatural state. • Mr. WESTERN begged to address a few words in answer to the observations of the Honourable and Learned Gentleman. In the very same year in which, according to that Hon. Gentle. man, the currency had been in a most unnatural state—in that same year the House of Commons had dared to declare that a pound note and a shilling were equal to a guinea.—(Hear.).-.:. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman must necessarily remember the fact, for he had himself given .a vote upon the question. Mr. Serjeant ONSLOW thought the Hon. Gentleman must be wrong, because he had not been in Parliament at that time. Mr. WESTERN did say that the Petitioner, and many others, were entitled to tell the House that an absolute fraud had been committed upon them. Hundreds and thousands of persons-were in the same situation with the Petitioner, having been deceived by the monstrous and fraudulent resolution put forth by the House of Commons. Mr. Serjeant ONSLOW said, that the only vote he had ever given on the subject of the currency was his vote for con tinuing the last Restriction Act. Mr. BROUGHAM.—The same House of Commbns which, on the 13th of May, 1811, resolved that, in point of fact, the ' .s', .sec .... _ --.- " ', V c.:. . 1 , 4 '-' • 1',.1' , - 4 - '1 4 , f.) * ~: gl f? 0 - 7 aft,/ 1 1 , 1/ FRIDAY, MAY 3, 1822. Bank-note was worth 20s. and that, in the public estimation, it ,was worth 20s. resolved, that is to say, that the public esti mated a 11. rote and a • shilling equal to a guinea : —the same House of Commons, within two months afterwards, with equal majority, passed an Act of Parliament to fine and imprison, those persons who took it for less.—(Hear.)—ln fact, they,de . clared the note to be worth 20s. with one breath, and with 'the next prepared punishment for those who took - it at 14s. At that very time, the House of Commons—Heaven forbid I should be speaking of the present House ; I know it too well toput myself within the scope of its vengeance by saying what I think of it !—but the former House of Commons, sitting where we now sit, did do that which no set of men existing, • I believe, but themselves could have done: with the intimate knowledge that the market price of their bit of rag was 14s. or 15s. only, they had the effrontery to come forward, and to tell the whole world that it was worth 20s. and that thepublic believed it to be'so—(Cheering)—And two months afterwards clothed in the white *sheet of their own Act of Parliament, they came forward to do penance for what they had done before— ,(Excessive cheering and laughtrn—And, after declaring the note current at 20s. made it penal to purchase it for less. The Hon. and Learned Aleinber, concluded by observing, that if ever a House of Commons before hacso stultified its own Act, that being made out, he would respect the House of Commons of the year 1812. Mr. MONCK took the petition to afford a lamentable in stance of the frightful consequences of tampering with the cur.. rency of a country, and making money, by legislative enact ments, dearer at one time and cheaper at another. He differed, however, with the petitioner, so far as he attribtited his loss to the 'difference, in 1814, between the price of paper and the price of gold (the guinea being at 265., and the note at 14.5.), because he (Mr. Monck) Was prepared to contend that both gold and, paper might be equally depreciated : a currency be came depreciated, not with reference to the price of gold or silver, but with reference to the price Of the necessaries of life, and most particularly of corn.. - Mr. RICARDO said, that his view only applied itself to the depreciation which had taken place since the year 1819. 111r.litIONCK said, that all thtise were mistaken who esti mated the extent of the depreciation by the value of gold only. ELLIOE said, there was one fact more extraordinary than all, and which ought not to be passed unnoticed. It was, that in the year 1818, when the amount of Bank-notes in, circulation was greater than any year during the war, there be ing,;_then a circulation of Bank-notes of not less than thirty millions, and the amount of the country bank notes" Was great in proportion, the market price of gold was £3 las. 6d. Air. RICARDO observed, it was clear that the value of money was not to be measured by the price of gold, but by the currency; for an alteration in the value of money, and an al teration in the value of the currency, were two different things. If we regulated our currency by any particular stan dard, we must be subject to all the alterations of that standard. The petition was ordered to be printed. TRANSACTIONS BETWEEN TH} BANK AND THE GOVERNMENT; Sir T. LETHBRIDGE presented a Petition from the Land holders and Tradesmen of one of the Hundreds of Somerset shire, complaining generally of dis:ress, and praying•for a re duction of taxation. The Hon. Baronet stated that the Peti. don came from a part which ivas once considered the richest of the country. He agreed with the Petitioners that, unless some effectual reduction of taxes were made, the present unexampled distress of the country could not be alleviated. With regard to the plans lately proposed by hii Majesty's Ministers, and more especially that which related to chartering country Banks, he augured no great relief from them, for, in truth, there was no complaint as to• the circulation of country' Bank-notes. He was afraid the primary -consequence of these measures would be to give to the Bank of England a continuance of its mono poly, without doing any thing for public benefit. Being upon the subject, he could not htlp saying that he thought it a little odd that tie Right lion. Gentleman Ithe Chancellor of the. Exchequg) should propose to the Bankto renew their Charter . 11 years before it expired.—(Hear 0-11 e had great confidence in that Right Hon.. Gentleman, and he htped therefore no finite arrangement upon so important a question would be come to, until the whole had been submitted to Parliament. Mr: GRENFELL said that the subject of Chartered Banks' on which the Honourable Member had. animadverted, induced him to take that opporttinity of calling the attention of the House to the subject of the renewal of the Charter of the Bank of England, and-the more particularly, on account of some thing which had happened in the metropolis that morning. He (Mr. G.) had put a question to the - Chancdlor of the Exche quer, on Tuesday night, to ascertain whetter any stipulation was proposed respecting the Bank Charter, and the Right Hon. Gentleman denied the intention of proposing the extension with out stipulation or condition. lie trusted it would be so ; hut, in the communication made by Lord Liverpool and the Chan cellor of the Exchequer to the Bank Directors, fiir extending the Charter ten years, no mention was expressed of a stipula tion, and a Learned Gentleman in the,Bank Court, which was held that day, congratulated the Directors on the favourable terms of-the beaus. He (Mr. G.) did hope, that after the ex perience of several years of enormius expence to the country, arising out of the present relation ii: which the Bank stood to the Government—after the tyranny vhich it had exercised over the Government itself; and after its laving relinquished one of its greatest functions, that of discoutting on reasonable terms—. namely, at 4 per cent., which he bdieved would }cafe much diminished the existing distress—aftir all this experience, Mi nisters never should allow the extension of that monopoly, which was injurious to the public tnd detrimental to the best interests of the country. He called in the House to interpose legitimate authority on this occasion,snd rescue the nation from the mischievolis consequences. Thellonourable Member then gave notice that he would oppose the extension of the Charter of the Bank of England, under every arcuinstance, and upon all considerations: Mr. J. SMITH would not take in the time of the House on this subject, as it Was not the quesion before it ; but he ob jected as much as any man to the urzonditional renewal of the Charter. He thought it, however, inpossible, in the present state of the country, that the Govenment could give the 'ex tension of the Charter for nothing, ytt he understood that no thing was to be given. Both the Hon. Members who had spoken before him had talked of Chatered Banks, but he be lieved they had mistaken the Noble %krquis on a former night, who, in his opinion, said nothing abort Chartered Banks, but spoke of Associations of Bankers fornifig establishments of a very different character. Mr. HUSKISSON implored•the Hose to consider whether the public business and the progressof debates could be ad vanced by introducing public quesdonsof an important nature, and on which great difference of opiniot was entertained, inci dentally, and upon Petitions which hal no reference to the question before the House. This wai a practice into which Hon. Members were fallinimore and mirdevery day, and this was the less excusable when the discussion was fixed for a fu ture day, when the House must regularlyconsider the subject. The Hon. Member for Somersetsifire lifd given notice of his own Resolutions on the subject of Agriculural Distress, which was what this question related to, and it would be time enough when his Resolutions were submitted to he House to discuss them. Mr. CREEVEY protested again't the doctrine laid down by the Right Honourable Gentleman who spoke last. The doctrine of notices was new and unknovn to the ancient Constitution. The true and legitimate way of discussing grie vances was upon Petitions presented. The more convenient way indeed for Government might be to discuss subjects of this kind on a day fixed ; but he trusted that Honourable Members would prefer the ancient practice, and promote dis cussion of existing grievances on the presentation of Petitions. Mr. HUME followed on the same side, and contended that the Chancellor of the Exchequer, bv renewing the Charter of the Bank for ten years, was forestalliag his successor, as the Charter of the Bank had eleven years to run, and no one could say what changes might take place in tiat time; and he hoped the landed interest, when the question came on, would oppose the measure. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCUEQUER said, that although the subject in discussion was not the one origin ally before the House; yet on account of observations which had fallen from some Honourable Members, he would tres pass a little on their time. He was accused with not hav ing dealt fairly with the House on the subject of the re newal of the Bank Charter. He would appeal to ti e. sense of the House whether, pending the negotiation with the Bank, he ought to have made the communication required ? The re sult of that negotiation would be soon laid before the House, and they would see whether it was right to ratify it.:He would not anticipate their decision ; but he must state that he was now called upon to make provision for the circulating medium by the issue of country bank-notes. There was no ques tion more important, or which more deserved the attention SUN. of the House. 'He had felt a great difficulty in proposing the continuance of the circulation of one-pound notes. The coun. try had suffered - enormously from the failuies of country banks, and it was the duty of the House to prevent the recurrence of such evils in future. There were but two modes of doing this : one was the requiring of every person who circulated bank notes a deposit of capital as a security; . and the other was, on the establishment of country bankS, the insisting upon such a quantity of capital in the persons concerned as would be a pro tection against failure. In the banks of Scotland the capitals were such that they were able to answer all demands. For a century past only three banks had stopped payment in Scotland, two of which soon after had paid the full demand, and the third a great proportion—( Hear !)—As to the renewal of the. Charter of the Bank of England, there was a necessary relaxation for the purpose of erecting these Bank Associations. That Charter had eleven years to run, and the portion of it which the Bank retained, was not stipulated for under a pecuniary conSidera: non ; but the whole of the conditions, and the subject of the management of the public debt, and'ah pecuniary trultisactions between Government and the Bank, would soon come be fore Parliament. All he asked : was the extension of the:char ter for ten years, and an immediate advantage was. Wven up for a certain restriction for a limited time to come, in order to secure the competent circulation of country notes on a certain foundation. Mr. MANNING defended the Bank against - the continued attacks of the Honourable Member fbr genryn 2 who. had on every occasion sought to accuse it of • the most improper acts. The conduct of that Hon. Member reminded him of a spaniel, which would not attempt to touch even the mosetempting meat, while the alphabet was repeating, nor would he touch it if the letter 0 was omitted ; but the moment that letter was repeated, he was ready to devour it. The lion. Member had stated Sit intention of going into the details of the matter on Wednesday next. He therefore thought that the Hon. Member ought to wait until he came for Ward prepared to make a specific motion on the'subject. • Mr. ELLICE imputed no blame to the Bank They . were right to do what they could for the benefit of the proprietors. What he chiefly complained of was,' the conduct of the Right Honourable the Chancellor of the Exchequer, in endeavouring to give the go-by to a question so - full of interest to the country. As to the advantages' to be obtained by'the measure, he confessed that he did not see them in so clear tt light as - the Right Honourable Gentleman. The country cir culation went on now very well. As long as any individual had an option to take a country bank note, or a Bank of Eng land note, it was hit own fault if he ran an unnecessary risk. With respect to the provision of the law, limiting the number of partners in a private Bank to six, he denied that it was in tended as a protection to the Bank. It was a protection to the creditor. He would object it every step of the proceeding to the extension of the Bank charter. It would be quite time enough to consider - the propriety of such an extension, when we hp • • proached within two or three years of the term of its present duration, at which time the circumstances of the country might render it inexpedient to continue the monopoly. Sir M. W. RIDLEY was of opinion, that there was at pre sent no want of all the circulation requisite for necessary purposes, where there was a sufficient security: He begged to ask the Right Honourable Gentleman, with reference to this new measure, whether it was intended' that the Bankers should make any deposit of property as a security for their paper ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, we believe, replied in the negative. The Petition was then brought up and read, and, after a few words in explanation from Mr. Itusxissom, Mr.- P. GRENIELL (who declared that he would not retract his ex pression respecting the conduct of the Bank), and the CHAii; , CELLOR of the EXCHEQUER., was ordered to berinted. ROYAL BURGHS. _ Lord A. HAMILTON presented a Petition from the Royal Burgh of Stirling against the Bill in progresi for correcting the abuses in the Royal Burghs in Scotland.. The Noble Lord observed that he had sev4-ral Petitions to present' on the same subject, and that he had several questions to ask the Lord Ad: vocate, but that he had waited and watched day after day in the hope of seeing the Learned Lord in fig place, but to no purpose. He hoped the Learned' Lord would feel the neces sity of being at least once a .week in the House.—(A laugh.) —He certainly understood that the Learned Lord had been in the House on a recent evening after twelve o'clock ; but he had contrived so skilfully and perseveringly to abstract him self from observation, that, with all his (Lord A. Hamilton's) diligence, and with the assistance of the still greater diligence of his Hon. Friend the Member for Aberdeen, he had never been able to find the Learned Lord.—(A laugh.) The Marquis of LONDONDERRY observed, that if the • Noble Lord had exerted one half the diligence which he had used in seeking for his Hon. and Learned Friend in writing a note to him, he would soon have found his Honourable and Learned Friend in his place. However, he would answer for it, that his Hon. and Learned Friend would be in his place to morrow. The Petition was then brought up, read, and ordered to be printed. BANK CHARTER. Mr. GRENFELL gave notice, that he would to-morrow more that there be laid before the House copies of all 'Corre snondence that had passed between his Majesty's Government and the Directors of the Bank of England, on the subject of renewing the Bank Charter; or rather of continuing the Bank monopoly. • The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER observed, that his Hon. Friend's motion would be unnecessary, as it was his (the Chancellor of the Exchequer's) intention himself to present the Correspondence to the Housse. GRENFELL said, that he shOuld be happy to be spared the trouble of making the motion. On the motion of the Marquis of LONDONDERRY an humble Addr - ess was ordered to be presented to his Majesty, praying that he would be graciously pleased to order that there be laid before the House a Statement of the Charges of the Diplomatic Services abroad, from the year 1792 to the year 'lB2l. The Noble Marquis immediately presented the State ment, which was ordered to be printed. Mr. CREEVEY gave notice, that on Tuesday, the 21st inst. he would move for leave to bring in a Bill to repeal the Act of 1817, commonly known by the name of the Ministerial Pen sions Bill—(A Laugh). On the motion of Mr. HUME, an account was ordered to be laid before the House of the amount of the Territorial Debt of the East India Company, at their several Presidencies on the 31st of January last, or up to the latest period to which the' same could be made up. OFFICE OF JOINT POSTMASTER-GENERAL. Lord NQRMANBY said, that if he rose with less ernhar rassment this time than he had felt when he before brought for ward the same question, it was not because he presumed upon the full measure of indulgence he then received from the House. Nor was it because he had only to repeat the same dry and somewhat tedious matter of economical detail. If he had only to retrace his footsteps, he world not trespass further upon the time of the House than to make his'motion. But he felt that he had now a greater claim upon the attention of the Douse, and he felt that he derived it not from the support he before re ceived, but from the conduct of those who had opposed him.— It was the arguments they had used in opposing him, and not those employed by himself, that had rendered the subject a theme of animadversion from one end of the country to the other, and caused the people to look with scrutinizing regard into the conduct of their representatives. It was to them therefore that he owed gratitude for any increased expectation of success. It was to the course they had pursued in not condescending to notice the details upon which he had argued the uselessness of the office. Ile considered that his chief gra titude was due to them for having opposed his motion only on the ground of its being necessary to keep up useless dffices.l - called upon the House to weigh well the detrimental consequences of such a doctrine as this being acted upon. Let them look back at the long line of spectral phantoms, which like the progeny of Banquo were then conjured up, " to shew the eye, and grieve the heart." Let the Secretaries to the Treasury look on this till their eyes cracked, and let those who supported his Majesty's Ministers stop with their regards full upon this. Amongst the arguments used, the antiquity of the office was brought forward as one of the reasons for re specting it. He confessed that when he looked to the Act of Queen Anne which related to this subject, the antiquity of the office appeared to him probleinatic. Another argument put I forward was, the increase of business in the Post Office. This might be a reasoir for increasing the number of clerks, but surely none for keeping up two Noblemen, who took no pari in the increasing business. Even, if they were provoked to take a part in it, nothing would be more detrimental in the details of an office which, of all others, , required singleness of purpose, and uniformity of Government. These were the ar guments used against him. As for the declamation of the Noble ~:: '' ~'' PRICE SEVENPENC'E. Marquis, whose warmth on that occasion was, as was usual, di , reeled more to the closeness of the division,'thait the Merits of the question. -. His befog called •a rash innovator—an abettor of revolution 7 4ad,todoubt, its eff4t at the dine. But iCwas rather - extraordinary that he had the Nohle Marquis himself among the numberof the innovators. • He . had' set Lord' tlahcarty abroad at the time he held his situation of Postrhastereneral. He (LOrd'Normanby), however, did not charge - this upon the Noble Lord as a rash innovation ; for he believed lie did not advocatesi ivnonhhdslio offices sihh Is t everl leolot t du)eioi l hlr i rtbds e art-eaodrlpbe i c:lealtetenrt ads ! i e s ta tt b u l a e s . ter i ge w ne th ra o l se in know at the Curie what - he was doing. He did not.knetiv at the d G l en n t g le i m ail e d n' a it across been fire P o. cfl:k l Lill i t!e i l s ridld,f o bfhfui motiono l Bt r B m l ,o 2 0 Itoi it f no o f almosten kwmn t a s h i:wl e tl abolition. rworitonhet d!. the.ototiAlttr Ot that situations useless time. sanctiondefend joint of the House, one of the Postmasters-Generhl of Ireland must certainly go. • Before he attacked the strong hold of his oppo nents on the Treasury Bench, he wouldaddress afew words to those WhO had shewn 'a disposition to waver in their' bigotted attachment to his Majesty's Ministm, on the occasion of the motion of his non. Friend, relative to th e L or d s o f the Achill _ ralty, lie intreated them not to be Jed away by the attempt ' - Which had been made to place hint in the light of a dangerous revolutionist._ In spite of the mighty State Paper which had en deavoured to effect this metamorphosis, he defied,thein to mag nify so humble an individual as himself, so as to deserve to be ranked in the imaginary trio whose terrible renown was to work such wonders. He intreated them to let this question stand apart from all shch considerations, on its own werits.— Let-them regard his motion as an innovation only in the light 'in which the motion relative to - the Lords of the Admiralty had been considered. - Let it meet the same fate and he should be ' satisfied.' It had been discovered that the system which de fied innovation could just spare two Lords of the Admiralty.— Might not a similar discovery be made by the same parties in the' case of the Postmasters General ? The public opinion ' had been so strongly exoressed on the subject, that he had no doubt Of the ultimate success of hiS motion. The country, it must be allowed by all, was in a state to require all the, retrench ment that could possibly be effected in the public ex-Peiidi tore, and certainly after the 'shifts and expedients proposed by the Noble Marquis, .the othei'stieslit; they must, see that the only Salvation teas, to be - deril,iftl from that "source.— They *ere the !shifti aria eapedients of an exhausted -spend thrift.. All thathe asked Was, if among their luiuries, they had any doplicateS; to .giVe up one to the distieSSes Of Chase who were dependent on thorn: ,It had been Urged that the his piovement of the, people ought to operate. as a check on the improvement. of the Geverpment. This had Cane frinn a quar ter, which lie' was, however, "disposed to view in - 'a favour able light, from ,the - affection he bore the individual Who had promulgated*. - Ifis Right Honourable Friend' had made an explanation, ,but in his Opinion it was a repetition of what h e had before said. HiSknew that he had put fOrWard the opinion of Government. Nobody ever accused him of entertaining such an opinion him Self. Had he not remarked the disposition which the conduct of the Governnient had created in thejaeonle to canvass their measures, and was it a reason for.keeinog up useless places that the intelligence of the. people had .called op a jealousy -or the Government ? Theory for reforin was no longer local or partial, a and , was it the way to remedy that evil, if one it were, by denying to give up any thing? - Ought they not rather to teach the people to be moderate, by being 'moderate themselveS ? It certainly was not the way to oppose that which was right. ' By skilful management they might be able to direct that, the force. of which would only be aggra vated by attempting to choke up the passage with useless obstacles. - To persist in such a course would only destroy the lingering hopes of the people, and entirely . deprive than of all ,00ntidence in that House. The! Noble Lord concluded by m - . ovinga-S' An humble italdress to his Majesty , ,reprelenting that iris faitl,fl,l' „ Commons, relying on his most graciouS 'answer to former addresses of a-:. ti,„„. of his desire to concur in ! all measures of economy which the Lan e -soaps of the aa a ,,, might require by Making such reductions in the civilailepart silents of the State as should seem eligible, most humbly re quest he will be graciously pleased 'to order the office of one of the, PostsuiasterS General, to be abolished, in order that the salary may be saved to the Public." The CHANCELLOR of•the EXCHEQUER begin by ob serving, that the Noble Lord; in the course of the obserYations ' he had pursued with regard to the avowed opinion of a Right ' Hon. Friend of his, had followed , the gross exaggeration and ' shameful' misrepresentations of the public press. He trusted 'that:a British public would judge will more candour‘ard dis cernment of the conduct of that house ; and he hoped that the House would not be biasaed in their decisions by any apprehen sions of what they might conceive popular opinion to be, re ceiving it in so distorted a aliape. lie trusted they would not allow themselves to lean one way or. other, according as they should expect to'acquire the most-popularity. The Noble Lord had not acted (Mite fairly in bringing foiward these subjects to bear on the question. The Noble Lord. misrepresented the sentiments of the country on the subject of reform ; arid he was convinced - that that. would be Seen when the oepresentatives of - the people were sent. back again to their constituents. The Neible Lord . had taken a very unusual course in bringing the same subject before the House twice in the course of the same Session. Although the motion, had been so framed that it did not immediately go against the standing Order of the HOuse, yet in substance and in its object it was unquestionably the same. This was unusual, and very inconvenient.—(Hear, hear, hear !) . ---It was inconvenient, not as regarded the present question, hitt as it affected the general business of the House, for if the practice were to become , commob the same subjects ' Might be brought forward day after day, although the House had repeatedly expressed its determinant:la-with respect to them, and the time thus consumed might' obstruct the -progress of Measures which were of importance to the interest and safety of the country. The merits of the question, having_ biTn gone into before, he would not detain the House longer than was necessary to-explain the situation in which the question stood. .The former motion had not been rejected solely on the ground that it was desirable the Crown should have at its command such appointments as that at which it was aimed to reward merit. • It had been defended as one. that it was desirable to keep up I'M. the protection of the revenue and the superintendance of the concerns of the, PoSt-office. The office was contended for on the ground that the Post-masters were jointly respon sible and jointly engaged in conducting its administrations. Would it be nothing, he would ask, that a revenue of not less than 2,000,0001. should be placed under the control of a single individual ? Though the confidence to the Noble In dividuals who were now the Post-masters, and which might in almoit all cases be reposed in the persons appointed to such a situation, might satisfy the public, could it be con tended that that power and responsibility might 'with equal propriety be confided to one which was entrusted to two 9 He considered that in every respect two persons were desirable to controul and, regulate the machinery of that establishment, which was important not merely as with regard to . the Reve nue, but as it affected the convenience of the public. Could it therefore be supposed that any individual fitted to fill the situation of Post-Master would desire to have such respon sibility thrown on . him ; and if such a person - were found, was it desirable that so much should be confided to a single per son ? The questioh whether the management and controul of tle Post-Office would be ' better vested in a Board, than in Post-Masters' General, had come before the Committee of 1797, and it was then decided that the former was not to be preferred.. At any rate, it. was certain that the establish ment of a.Board in the plate . of the ,Post-NlastersVieneral Was not to be preferred on the score of economy.—The true question now was, whether it would - be advisable to place the Posts Office under a:Board of foor or five persons of in . ferior rank, or whether it should continue as at present under the superintendence of two:Noblemen of high rank and great responsibility. Ile was aware that, 'much might be . said in . favour of either course, but he confessed that to his mind the argument in Favour of the present system seemed to preclo nate over the considerations which would go to sanction a change. There was, however, some difficulty in deciding on the details connected - with this question ; and he had there fore, as he had announced, on bringing forward the Superan noationAllowances Bill, proposed to refer them to the consi deration of a Parliamentary Commission. The Treasury would not trust itself to.go into the minute_ details, and he had therefore determined to call for a Parliamentary Commis . sion. When the Report of that Cominission should be re ceived he thought the House would be more competent to decide on the merits of the case than it was at present. It was admitted on • all hands that the' business could not be better conducted than •it was under the management of the Post-masters. Under such circumstances pending the inquiry which he had mentioned, he would put it to the House if it would be well that they should Agee to the present motion I ' Mr. BAN/US thought his Right Hon. 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