The Sun. — London, England, 1853-05-07 00:00:00

THE BELGIAN SUBMARINE TELEGRAPH. This important undertaking has just been successfully completed. The iron screw collier steamer William Hutt arrived at Dover on Monday morning last, having on board the cable, 70 miles in length. The Admiralty, who have behaved with the greatest liberality, granted the assistance of two Government steamers—the Vivid and the Lizard, under the command of Captain Smithett and Captain Washington, who have been most indefatigable in their exertions to bring this gigantic undertaking to a prosperous termination. A party of the directors, includin g Lord De Manley (the ch a i rman of the company), Sir James Carmichael, the Messrs. Brett, Mr. Campbell, Dr. O'Shaughnessy, Mr. Kennard, Messrs. Crampton and Wollaston (the engineers to the Submarine Telegraph Company), and Messrs. Newall and Co. (the contractors for the rope), also reached Dover on Monday. The weather would not allow of the commencement of the work before Wednesday. At break of day the steamers, which were at anchor in Dover Bay, got their steam up and started for the foreland, when the end of the cable was got on shore, and made fast in the cave where the tele graph rope to France, belonging to the said company, also commences. As soon as this was completed, the steamers all started on their course, and the paying out proceeded in a most admirable manner. Telegraphic messages w ere f orwar d e d t h roug h out t h e day btween the persons on board the William Hutt and those left in the cave at the Foreland. On Wednesday night the' steamers came to anchor in sight of Dunkirk, having laid down between 30 and 40 miles of the cable. The Work was proceeded with on Thursday morning, and at 1 P-m. of that day the expedition arrived off Middlekirk, on the Belgian coast, the spot selected for the termina tion of the cable, and dropt anchor, about half a mile from the shore. A large number of persons were assembled to watch the arrival of the steamers. A message was then sent by the telegraph rope, announ cing the happy termination of the undertaking to this point. The parties engaged landed, and the steps for getting the end of the cable on shore were delayed till Friday morning, when operations were again com- P. menced, and at 1 p.m., the telegraph cable being landed, the wires j • " joined up and an instrument attached, a mes sage was sent through from the Belgian coast to the ofßce of the Submarine Telegraph Company, 30, Corn bill, London, announcing the happy and successful ter mination of the enterprise. A short time must necessarily elapse to complete the Junction of th e w i res b etween t h e B e l g i an coas t and Ostend, when messages will be sent through from Lon don to Ostend and Brussels instantaneously. MINING INTELLIGENCE. ( From the Mining Journal of this day.) " I ‘ II " o• s•—Durin the early part of the week there was unea feeling in the market, on account of the fur ther and unexpected fall in the standard, and several shar es i n the heavy copper mines were offered for sale a t considerably reduced prices. West Caradons were Bold at 2501., being a fall of 1 001 . per share, but within the last day or two these, as well as a few other shares, have rallied a little, and there has been altogether a better business doing. Alfred Consols have improved rem last wee k' s qu otations, and have been largely dealt in at 181. and 181. 108. per share. I n the Metal M ar k e t, Copper and Tin stand at the aSt quotation, with no very extensive dealings in either. With one or two except i ons, t h ere h as b een no special dem and in th e mar k e t f or g old mining shares during the ; but, although business has been generally stag -ant price; may be pronounced fairly supported. The exce ptions above referred to are the Agua Fria and the Gr ea t N ugget Vein both of which have rea li se d v anced prices. Each of these stocks, however, has „Inc? experienced a reaction. On the whole, the Cali fornian descriptions are most generally . supported.. Ad bi "roln the various companies, colonial and Califor th 1 ar . e, of course, an xiously awaited ; an 8 no disposition to deal extensively.d, meanwhile, THE WOOLLEN TRADE.. (Prom the Leeds Mercury of this day.) Porei— T , during and colonial wools have been in better demand. ~„ the past week, and inquired ner qualities more espe 'l37, which had been little after of late. Prices re firm at recent quotations. In the English wool market sales have been without 4 2 1 , Y Material chane this week. Fresh arrivals of wool at market are small, and prices very firm. In the Liverpool 00l market a steady demand for . i weol at full prices. Stocks continue low. Imports dur 41:a, t ; h t Past week have been :-126 Magadore, 111 )j6 ll -Lea, 80 East India, 20 Havre, 457 Buenos Ayres, lar li an, 1,300 Alpaca, and 1,200 Peruvian. 7ith regi.rd to the London wool trade the public . 1 1 1 : 8 :'„ ra ‘ expected to take place about the 26th of May. bai e " r "vals since the last series have been about 21,000 ar e ` rn ro the colonies, and 10,000 or 12,030 bales more j,,,-,,exPected before the next auctions commence. The h e g rta n illto London during the week ending to-day have 2 ,3217 f 3961 bales, of which 4,289 are from Port Philip, Cape from Sydney, 102 from Bombay, 612 from the T h e a nd the rest from Odessa, &c. a nd al i Z oll en markets of Leeds have been rather brisk done on ma ted this week : about an average trade was Was a , , 0 " - ', 411 rday and Tuesday in the cloth halls. There and i n " business done in Meltons of this texture, cloth s va p ri k e na coloured mixtures, also in double milled house s - " er e has been a very quiet week in the ware houses 8 connected with the home trade ; the shipping clotcontinue busy in heavy goods, but very little is "! at present in the exportation of ordinary woollen 9ti ;„ , PORD WORSTED MARKET, ARBIL s.—There is a ' , ness in the wool market, no one being disposed to ai ,Y for snore than immediate use. Noils and brokers e eagerly soug ht up , an d there are no stacks in spin ,s' . hands There is a fair demand for pieces. In co ergs the the low qualities are principally run upon, the ue being scarcely looked at. Neither spinners nor ma nufacturers can make their business answer who depend on present purchases of wool or yarn. HOSIERY.—TRADE OF LEICESTER. — A large quantity have goods contracted for by the large wholesale houses nave been sent off this week, both in the regu lar hosier y and fancy branches, as well for the home as the shipping demand, and the belief that their purchases are safe, se cures a full confidence in having placed their orders well. The present advance both of wages and worsted is not realised ; and the great advance on worsted goods con nected with the summer season coming on, induces shop keepers to hold off their purchases until their stock is off. The demand for all kinds of cotton hosiery, fancy goods, socks, and gloves continues active ; and wages are advancing. Worsted yarns have again advanced id.. per lb., and even then the spinners report that their Price is not adequate to the late advance in wools. The wool market is not so active as lately reported ; an opi bion is gaining ground that it has seen its highest price, and no orders for manufactured goods are entered into at the extreme prices now asked by the spinners. MARKET NEWS—(THIS DAY.) COVENT GARDEN. Both f ru it and vegetables were in fair average supply, andd steady d eman d , a t f u ll y l as t wee k' s p r i ces . The aroports from the continent have been large. FRUIT. —Pine apples, 8s Oct to 12s Od ; hot-horse grapes, lOs to 15 s; Hambroditto, Os to Os Od per lb ; apples, dessert, 11108 Od to 13s Od ; cooking ditto, 6s to 12s per bushel ; pears, pd to N per dozen ; lemons, is to 2s Od ; oranges, "° 9 s per 100 • pomegrana t es , Oct t o Od eac h ; a l mon d s , -8 Per peek ; Barcelona nuts, 20s pee bushel ; cob-nuts, b er 8 •Per 1001b s . ; c h esnu t s, 8 s t o 20 s per bushel; straw- Oct to is 6d per ounce. 2 v EGETABLES.—C a bb ages, is t o 2 s Od ; B russe l s sprou t s, Od to 3s Od per half sieve ; brocoli , 2s to 4s ; greens, s Od to 6s per dozen bunches ; French beans, is to 2s per ion 2a as Paragus, 5s to 9s per bundle ,• sea-kail, 2s Od to uu per basket ; rhubarb, 9d to ls 6d per bundle ; cauli to,,°wejs, Oct to Os per dozen ; potatoes, 100 s to 165 s per ton l ; I) Th t,Ps , 3 s Oct to 4s Od • carrots, 6s Od to 8s Od per dozen 1 R7," eB ; cucumbers, Os 6d to is 6d each ; celery, 9d to s u - ". 1 Per bundle ; spinach, 2s Od to 3s 6d per half sieve ; i °nß, 4s Od to 5s Od per bushel ; beet, is Od to 1 s 6d t . 'ez' dozen • leeks, 3d to 4d per bunch ; shallots, 6(1 to 8d ; ' 41.11 e, 6(1 to 8(1. per 1 b ; endive, 2s 6d to 3s Oct per score ; ;')ceaall salad, Od per punnet ; horse-raddish, is Oct to 3s Oct 28 1. 0 ( b I li ndle ; mushrooms, Is 6(1 to 2s Od per bottle ; parsley, t o , to 35 Od per dozen bunches ; turnip greens, is 3d od per bushel. N EWGITE AND LEADENHALL. 283 (i ee „ . s e , 4s Od to 7s Od ; Turkeys, 4s Od to 8s each ; Ducks to 38 3d; t ame R a bbit s, i s 4d t o i s 10d ; w ild ditt o, 8d ettei s l 2d; Pig eons, 7d to 9deach ; roasting Pigs,4s 6d to 7s Od to 7„ ; „ S urrey, Fowl s , 6s Od to N 6d; ditto Chickens, 55 Od Ph vu; barn -door Fowls 3s 0(1 to 6s Od per coupl e; 28 Prins, Os Oct to Os Od; Partridges , Os Od to Os Od; H ares , t o 3 to 2s 9d; Leverets Os Od to Os Od; Woodcocks, 2s 6(1 6d to Gd„ ; Grouse, Os to Os Od; Snipes, 9d to is 6d; Teal, la — ?d; wild Ducks, is 3d to 2s Od ; Widgeons, 9d to Ss and Plovers, 6d to is each. English Eggs, 75 9d to is 0' ; oditt Os 3d to 7s Od per 120; fresh Butter, toes 2(1 per lb. BREADrea . bid per 41b loaf. - "° dd; of h ousehold ditto, 56(1 to ziTh. e,prices of wh ea t en bd in the metropolis are from NEWPORT. teef f .3 .3 k. ~ ) rota os (At to 3s 8.3; Mutton, 314(1to 3 4 3 s 4d 0 d; t0 L 4 a s In 6 b d , -4 4d to 6s 4(1 • Veal, 3s 8d to 4s 10d ;Pork, Per Blbs. ' lAPEL. 1 neef f rom 2s 6(1 WH to 3s T 6dEC H M ; utton, 3s 41 fe al "' 58 to 43 6 Od Blbs. to 6s by th 2d ; e c Ve arc al, a3se s &l to ts 8(1; Pork, 331 ; 1 4 % 4d Per . BILLINGSGATE. 2,,Torbots, 0 s0(1 to 12s Od ; Brills, Os 0(1 to Os Od; Cod Fish, to ",, (1 to 7s Od each; Salmon, ls 6d to 2s per lb. S l to 2 61 2 d per pair ; Eels 6(1 to ls per lb ; Lobsters , , doz.; ) 4 _,--__(. ; Crabs, Gd to 2s Od ; Common 7 t e_YA, 28 Odto 10s Od; Mullets, is to 53 each; Whitings, 3s Od to 6s per th ' ''''''' 68 0(1 to 12s Od; Natives. 36s Od to J2s o( c l io per . F f e • ; ackerel,sos to Ms per 100; Smelts,6d to ls 6d per ... , Seat C 4 to Od per lb; Shrimns, is 6(1 to 2s 3d per gallon; to 3s oc l , le ld to 2s 3(1 per dozen; Fresh Herrings, 3s ocl 44 to P Per 100 ; Haddocks, 4d to is 0(1 each ; Plaice, 2 -8 Per 100 ; Carp, is Od to 2s Od each; Tench, •is ,_ .° ' °d per brace ; Goruets, 6d t o is Oct each ; Halibut, '4l Per lb.; Salt Fish, 2d to 5(1 per lb. HIDES AND SKINS. takla.J.ket hides, 561 b to 641 b, 2,id to 2id; 641 b to 721 b, 23d . &se, 7 21 b to 8 01 b, 3(1 to 30; 801 b to 881 b, 34(1 to 3.id, 961 b, 3id to 4d; 961 b to 1041 b, 4(1 to 44d ; 1041 1 ) to 1141 b ii,„, Od t o d . Horse hicles. 5s 6d to Os Od; calf skins, e m , , la Od to 2s 6(1; ditto, full, 5s Od to Os Od; polled 10:4 10 8 Od to 11a Cd; Kents, 9s Od to 105 6(1 Allalf-breds, 2 91 anas She blionvilgs7,l7: Oct to Os Ocl ; Lambs, 2s 3(1 to 3(1 to is 4(1. a,!litiTßFlELD.—Meall(lOwY Va-yR, ;;t t bo, 3/ 10 1 to 5/ 8s• and straw K 3 E 7 '. s; to 4/ 16s ; clover ....r,;,..adtiesistteady, at fan Prices., 1/ 8s to 1/ 16s per load. EnLAND.—Madow 4f 0 , 3/ 10 3 to Si 86 ; and hay,t ditt 3/ 8s to 4/ 17s ; clover t ilLav e r ago supply, anal'aazt,dy/ (Biesnataondl/. 16s per load. dittonyrlteßAPEL.-111eadow hay 3/ 7 + 47 16 • clover ) . S ...0 ...„ S , 6-90131151,028d,t04 ltraOsci:dnudus.travv, 1/ 8s to 1/ 16s per load. .... 70 ... 1,y 8 . De. 0 0 ,°0 :_ 101 1.) iveci"cri? mte o pto TV" ltvoi rl) 4o lia! 1 ,10 1 ;•,/ iottelr;ir , recl"' It / 4bil ed lP 0? II; U ,02111° J 141111°4 / 11 ; 10 4 11 0 "01, Nei • 0° • , ero l Rio, ' jef i fee. b ei" .h Q 0 0 A O *fr )lirB THE LATE BOARD OF ADMIRALTY. Commodore Seymour resumed his evidence yesterday, and stated, with reference to his letter of the 27th of April to Sir B. Walker, that the " corrupt practices of the past" therein referred to by him conveyed the effect of what he had heard rumoured as in existence at Devonport since it was a borough. The establishment of the yard was abort 2,200, the extra list included, and the entries varied in the different months. In April, 1852 a very large number, 25 altogether, cam e d own by Admiralty order, without any previous application on his part for them. He sup posed the Admiralty considered it necessary to send them. After the circular of the 19th of April, 1852, the monthly return of vacancies was not sent as previously to the Surveyor of the Navy. The return of promotions and appointments for Devonport Dockyard, included in the general return called for by the chairman, and em bracing the appointments and promotions between the 14 of March and the 31st of December, 1852, was here handed to the witness, who stated that it con tained 17 cases of labourers promoted to sawyers in contravention of the circular of 1847. There was no thing in that circular which definitely pointed 'at the case of labourers, but he considered the spirit of it to be infringed, as, for instance, when it declared that once in the yard men must look to themselves alone for promotion, and that superintendents should be consulted in all cases where advancement took place. He had heard it rumoured that the pro motions in April, 1852, were the result of political influence, but of himself he did not know that it was so. Commodore Seymour then proceeded to read a cor respondence which he had had with the Admiralty in reference to the conduct of Mr. Edy, master-shipwright in the yard, who, it was alleged or suggested, had violated his duty in interfering with the politics of the borough. The charges made against him were, in substance, that he had admitted Mr. Tuffnell, one of the Whig candidates, to his pew, at chapel, in the dockyard, during the canvass, and that he had improperly, and for party purposes, got a joiner, named Oram, sent to Portsmouth, to learn the management of the planinc , machinery there, with a view to his promotion subsequently at Devonport, where similar machinery was about, to be established. The first of these accusations Mr. Edy admitted to be true, and Commodore Seymour pointed out to him the imprudence of the act, stating that he had refused a gallant officer, a candidate for the borough, a similar privilege. The second accusa tion was brought to his knowledge when the election was over, and upon inquiry he had no reason to believe that Mr. Edy had been unduly influenced by political consi, derations in the selection of Oram, who was the best man for the purpose, though a voter in the Liberal interest. Commodore Seymour further stated that Mr. Edy was well qualified for the position which he occupied, and that he had risen to the position of master-shipwright at Plymouth (having, however, previously occupied the same position at Pembroke Dockyard), notwithstanding the understood rule of the service that it was not desirable to give officers superior positions in yards where they had pre viously occupied a subordinate situation. No letter had been addressed to him, complaining that any officer under his command had improperly exercised political influence in favour of the Government. There existed, he believed, at Devonport, as at Chatham, a Patronage Committee, or rather two committees, one on each side, who claimed to dispose of .vacancies in the yard as they fell in. Only the other day he heard that they were engaged in forwarding the interests of two gentlemen, candidates for a vacant clerkship. The commodore then read a correspondence which had passed between him and the Admiralty relating to his secretary, Mr. Dyer,, who, it seems, had been con founded with a Lieut. Dyer, an active partisan of the Whig candidates at the last election. Sir B. Hall wished to know the particulars of Mr. Staf ford's visits to the dockyard during his tenure of office. Commodore Seymour stated that Mr. Stafford's first visit was paid on the 12th of April, when he called on him at Moreshead's Hotel. On the 13th Mr. Stafford, Colonel Green, and Mr. Grant came to the yard, over which, ex cept the victualling department, he accompanied them. Mr. Stafford left on the 15th and returned on the 22d of June, in the Black Eagle. Next day he came to the yard with Sir G. Berkeley and Sir John Maxwell, and on that occasion Mr. Stafford, having expressed a wish to the effect, was present while the men passed through the ticket-office on their way to dinner. He saw no political influence ex ercised by Mr. Stafford, whom he attended officially as Secretary to the Admiralty. Lord Seymour asked if it frequently occurred that the Secretary came down to Devonport without the Lords of the Admiralty. Commodore Seymour said it was the only instance of the kind within his recollection. He stated that in 1852 therehad been a departure from the ordinary practice of the yard with reference to shipwrights' apprentices—five or six of the ap pointments made being irolated cases wherein the usual selection by competition had been dispensed with. In his opinion that was a breach of the circular of 1847. With reference to the management of the dockyard the Commo dore stated that the three Nasmyth's hammers, worked there, yielded an amount of work which might fairly be compared with the results obtained at any of the other yards. The present master smith, Ainslie, had been taken from the private trade, and before his appointment an engineer, also from the private trade, had charge of the smitheries. While at Sheerness, he was quite satisfied with the course of promotion, and so likewise at Devon port, till April 1852. He considered it desirable in certain cases for the Admiralty to avail itself of the talent and skill of the private trade. The vacancies filled up in April did not appear to him necessary. Lord Seymour—lf you received a letter directing you to admit Ainslie as master smith, would you consider that sufficient to admit him ? Commodore Seymour would not, unless he brought an order or warrant. Two or three of the sawyers appointed were, he believed, voters, and the rest were relations of voters outside. Mr. Triscott, storekeeper in the victualling yard at Stonehouse, and previously at Bermuda, said he did not go into Devonport during the election, but ho was at Ply mouth. Sir B. Hall—Were you on the hustings ? Witness—Yes. I took a place there for a short time to avoid the crowd on the nomination day. On the polling day I did not go near the booths, for I had no vote. I have never canvassed any voter. When they spoke to me, I replied. I have no recollection of speaking to a person named Edgecombe. A voter named Brown did speak to me, and asked for an apprenticeship for his son. I replied, desiring him to make a formal application, and state his services and claims. Captain Rich spoke to me about tak ing part in elections, and I denied that I had. I remem ber Mr. Stafford's arrival at Devonport, and the dinner which took place at Moreshead's Hotel next day. I could not say who was there, but I believe Sir J. Maxwell was one. Mr. Bear, former agent, and Mr. Smith, present agent of the Conservative party, Dr. Butler, chairman of Mr. Mare's committee, the Admiral, the Commodore, Ad miral Morris, Captain Walker, and Mr. Baker were also present. I was at Sheerness, Woolwich, and Deptford dockyards, on leave, previous to the general elections. Sir B. Hall—Were you not frequently in the lobby of the House of Commons also ? Witness—Yes, I was. Sir B. Hall—Had you not conversations there with members of the house ? Witness—l answered questions. Sir B. Hall—Had you not conversations with Mr. Staf ford ? Witness—No, not with him. Sir B. Hall—Had you not with Mr. Forbes Mackenzie ? Witness—l had. Sir B. Hall—And with Major Beresford ? Witness—l had conversations with him about elections. Sir B. Hall—About Plymouth ? Witness—Yes. Sir B. Hall—About Woolwich ? Witness—l dare say I had. (Laughter.) I did not speak to him about Mr. Bolt's election. I spoke to Mr. Forbes M`Kenzie, to whom I was introduced casually by Lord Arthur Lennox. I have seen Mr. Forbes Mackenzie and Major Beresford at the Carlton Club, and I have had conversations with Major Beresford there. Sir B. Hall—What conversation had you with Mr. Forbes Mackenzie ? Witness—He asked me if Mr. Rolt would stand for Greenwich. I said " I did not know whether he would," and I went to ➢lr. Rolt about it, with whom I am con nected by marriage, and advised him to stand. I was stay ing with him at the time, and afterwards I was there during the canvassing, but I did not canvass myself. I once walked a hundred yards with him while he was can vassing, wishing to talk to him on business. I never had conversations with any of the officers of Woolwich Dock yard about their votes. Sir B. Hall—Having advised Mr. Rolt to come forward did you give him no assistance ? Witness—None, except when he lost his son. Sir B. Hall—Have you not, within the last few days, said Mr. Rolt would have retired but for you ? Wituess—l am not aware. I certainly advised him to go on with the contest. Sir B. Hall —Have you not spoken of being instrumental in the return of members to Parliament ? Witness (hesitatingly)— Yes, I have. Sir B. Hall—What members did you refer to ? Witness—To Mr. Bolt more particularly ; also to Mr. Mare, who is a connexion of mine likewise, s.nd whom I advised to stand. Sir B. Hall—Did you not speak of others ? Witness—l shall not deny ; I believe I did. I spoke of Sir G. Berkeley, but I did not allude to the possibility of the return of Sir J. Maxwell, for I did not think he would succeed against Mr. Tufnell. Sir B. Hall—What conversations had yon at the Carlton with Major Beresford ? Witness— I had very little conversation. He asked me what were the chances of the Conservative candidates at Devonport, and I told him. I have known him for 18 months. Lord Arthur was then talked of as a candidate, and introduced both to Mr. Forbes Mackenzie and Ma* Beresford. Sir B. Hall—Did Major Beresford consult you frequently about the election ? Witness—He asked me what chances the Government candidates had of success, and I told him that if Mr. Tufnell come forward they would have no chance of suc cess, and ve r y littl e against Sir J. Romilly. I have been at Bermuda, and have expressed a desire to go back there. Sir B. Hall—T o whom ? Witness —To Lord Lyndhurst. He questioned me closely as to the state of the island, and said it would be a good thing to send me as Governor there. (Laughter.) I have made no secret of my desire to have that appointment, and have spoken to Mr. Bolt, and Mr. Beatson, a Lord of the Treasury, on the subject, and to Colonel Forester also. Sir B. Hall—Colonel Forester was a member of the Government ? Witness—He held a position under Government. (Laughter.) Sir B. Hall—Have you not been in frequent communi cation with Mr. Forbes Mackenzie, Major Beresford, and Colonel Forester about election matters ? Witness—Colonel Forester asked me questions, and I answered him ; but I don't see wh a t thi s h as to do with the matters upon which I am summoned here to be ex amined, and which I believe relate to dockyard appoin t. ments. I therefore appeal to the Chairman for protection. (Laughter.) The Chairman intimated to the witness (among s ome demonstrations of applause, which were, however, mutually checked) that he must answer the questions put to Sir B. Hall—l intend to follow up my inquiries. Did you report to these gentlemen the probable success of Rolt for Greenwich? Witness—l told them I thought Mr. Rolt would suc ceed there. I had no communication except with Colonel Forester about Devonport, and with him not more than three letters altogether. I know a man named Pope, s miller, and Tibbitt, a Cornish policeman, and Charles Brown. They spoke to me first with reference to their votes, and asked me to make interest in their favour, but my answer was that I would do what I could to represent their claims as far as these rested on public grounds, and that they should vote freely according to their consciences. After my appointment to the victualling yard by Sir F. Barin g I received a letter cautioning me not to interfere in "local politics." My desire to obtain the governorship of Bumuda I had made known voluntarily to people with THE SUN, LONDI 4 ON, SATURDAY EVENING, MAY 7 1853, whom I had very little acquaintance, having shown t o a comparative stranger a letter from Lord Lyndl' tnrst, stating that "he hoped better times were coming with reference to the Government." (Laughter.) Lord Seymour—What did you understand by the t , n-n i " local politics?" Witness—l first considered it related to vestry in Aet ings, and such like matters only. (Laughter.) Lord Seymour—Did you not understand it as refer] - ing to the elections of members of Parliament ? Witness—For the borough of Devonport, certainly. it was previous to the election when Capt. Rich, superint( d ent of the victualling yard, spoke to me alyJut interfe ri ag in politics, but I cannot recollect the precise day. fy answer was that I had not interfered, and that the in An spoke to me. He advised me not to have anything to do with the matter, and I said I would not. What he sr tad only applied to the votes in the yard. Lord Seymour—Did you consider the interviews in L , in don as a violation of the condition laid on you by Sir :F. Baring ? Witness—Certainly not. I interpreted the words "local politics" as widely as possible, in order to be perfectly safe. Sir B. Hall—Could you canvass at Woolwich ,:onsis tently with the conditions imposed by Sir F. Baring ? Witness—Well, perhaps not legally. Lord Seymour—Would it not be better that you did not interfere at all ? Witness—That would amount to political emasculation. (Laughter.) Lord Seymour—Did you not consider beinc , instru mental in returning new members of Parliament 'a breach of duty ? Witness—Certainly not. Ido not consider cognisance interference. Captain Rich has once or twice asked for my opinion as to promotions. I have not had any communi cation with Mr. Stafford, or any person connected with the Admiralty, in reference to the late elections. I took an interest in the matter for the sake of my friends, and it only so happened that they stood for dockyard boroughs. (Laughter.) Both Mr. Tufnell and Sir John Aomilly were extremely popular, but the former especially and on all sides. disqualify persons holding Dockyard appointments from voting at elections. (Loud cheers.) MR. DUFFY AND THE IRISH MEMBERS. The order of the day for the consideration of the ex ception taken to the words uttered last night by Mr. Duffy in the course of his speech having been read, The SPEAKER as k e d i f the honourable member for New Ross was in his place. Mr. DUFFY said—l am here, Sir. Mr. SPEAKER—It is my duty to remind the hon. gentleman of the proceedings which took place last night. The house was informed by a report of the Committee of Ways and Means, that exception had been taken to certain words used by the honourable member for New Ross, which were : " Greater corruption than was ever practised in the days of the Walpoles and the Pelhams has been practised, under my own eyes, upon Irish members of this house ?" If the hon. member has any explanation to make now in the house, it is hardly necessary for me tell the hon. member that there is always a willingness on the part of this house to extend its indulgence to any hon. mem ber who, in the heat of debate, has made use of words calculated to offend hon. members in the house, and I trust the hon. member will now be prepared with such an explanation or apology as may be satisfactory to the house. Mr. DUFFY—I wish, in the first place, to set myselr right before proceeding to the explanation which I have to make. I desire to recal to the recollection of the house exactly what happened last night. When I was interrupted it was not by a call to order, but by a chal lenge to prove certain statements which I had made. If I had been called to order I should have felt bound at once to have set myself right with the committee in any manner which might have been deemed sufficient, but in answer to the challenge which was given to me to prove my words, I felt then, and I feel still, that it would have been a course utterly irreconcileable with my conscience, simply to withdraw a statement on its truth being questioned. After some debate Mr. Bou verie at length declared me to be out of order, and I was then about to rise immediately to take the course which seemed to me necessary under the circumstances, and to say that I was quite aware that the rules of debate in this assembly, as well as of every other assembly, ought not to be violated, and that if I had violated them I was extremely sorry. (Hear.) I was about to take that course when the right hon. gentleman the member for Bucks interposed, and stated that a charge of corrupt practices against the Ministry was not a breach of order, but, on the contrary, the privilege, nay, even the duty, of any hon. member of this house. (Hear, hear.) I did not feel then that I was bound at once, with out ,waiting for some further debate, to take the course which I had before meditated ; and after that the possibility of withdrawing the words was taken away from me by the noble lord the member for the city of London. That noble lord stated that I had endeavoured, after making the charge contained in my words, to fly away from it, and avoid naming the parties. Now the very reverse was the fact. (Cheers.) I appeal to both sides of the house whether I did not wait for several minutes—a long time under such cir cumstances—and I declared that if the committee, by the chairman, decided that I should do so, I would at once proceed to name the persons without avoiding the re sponsibility of proving the allegation which I had made. The noble lord went on further to say that I could not prove a syllable of what I had stated. Now, I appeal to the house if, after such a statement, I could withdraw my words, leaving the matter in that position. (Hear, hear.) Would any hon. member of the house, after it had been stated by a minister of the Crown that he had made an allegation which he could not prove, consent to terminate the debate by simply withdrawing the words which he had uttered. (Cheers.) It seems to me scarcely possible to take that course. (Hear.) After that I withdrew by the direction of the chairman, and I am informed that certain circumstances then took place with respect to me. I also wish to offer some explana tion. I have been told by them that it was imputed to me that I had intended to convey that money was given to secure the votes of Irish members. Now, I distinctly wish the house to understand that I did not mean to convey any such thing. Now, what I wish to convey is this—that the political profligacy which prevailed in the times of Walpole and the Duke of Newcastle, when men were induced to abandon the most solemn and cir cumstantial pledges, and to leave behind their reputation and political character for the purpose of accepting office, —that that conduct seemed to me to have been exceeded by circumstances which had fallen under my own notice since I had been a member of this house. (Loud cheers.) I meant to charge that certain Irish members had, in point of fact, outrun anything which I had ever heard or read of in discreditable abandonment of their notorious and rooted principles, for the purpose of what I could only interpret as their own personal advantage and advancement. If I knew what political corruption means that is political corruption—and I repeat now what I have said before—that if it be the wish of this house I am ready to specify the individuals, and to state what appear to me to be cogent facts in sustain ment of this allegation. These being my opinions, of course it is impossible for me to retract what I have said. I wish the house to understand that if in stating them here—for I have often stated them else where—l have violated any rule of the house, it was entirely outside my intention, and of course I regret if I have offended against the proper manner of con ducting debate in this house, which seems to me, on the authority of the right hon. gentleman the member for Buckinghamshire, somewhat doubtful ; but if I have offended, of course I regret it. (Loud cheers.) Lord J. RUSSELL—The honourable member has said that I interrupted him last night in a manner which prevented him withdrawing his charge. Mr. DUFFY—What I said was, that after the state ment of the noble lord that I had made a charge of which I could not prove the truth, it seemed to me that a man of honour could not terminate the business by simply withdrawing the charge. Lord J. RUSSELL—I was about to say that the hon. member stated in this house that corruption had been practised on Irish members by the present Govern ment in a manner that exceeded the corruption of Wal pole and Pelham ; and, the debate having gone on for some time, both as to the character of the words and the course to be taken with respect to them, I think I could have taken no other course than to have given a complete denial on the part of the Government. (Hear, hear.) The hon. gentleman made a general statement, and I made a general denial. I certainly understood the charge in a different manner to that in which it is now stated to me. Everybody who has read history knew that the corruption of Walpole and Pelham was of this kind—that when there was a question which was likely to be closely pressed in the house, that either by gift of place or gift of money a majority was secured in favour of the Government. (Hear.) It now appears that the charge of the hon. member is of a very different descrip tion. (No, no.) Well, then, does the hon. member mean to say that money has been given to the Irish members ? (Mr. Duffy—"No, no.") Then it is of a different description. What I understand the hon. gentleman to say is that there have been members in this house who, having given certain pledges and expressed certain opinions in Ireland before bodies of the Irish peo ple, have accepted office, forfeited those pledges, and gone contrary to those opinions. Ido not know whether there is any accusation of corruption in the times of Walpole which at all answers that description. Because there were not then questions under discussion upon which declarations of this kind could be made. What the hon, member now states is that hon. members, flying from pledges and not acting in accordance with the opinions they have declared, have either accepted office or ranged themselves on the side of the Government. I doubt very much whether that is an ac cusation which could at all be declared disorderly con duct. It appears to me to be a matter of argument for the house in any debate, whether those who have either accepted office, or, without accepting office, have sup ported the present Government, have acted from corrupt motives. I think the Irish members have ample means of defending themselves, and my belief is that, instead of acting from any corrupt motives, they have acted in a way highly honourable to themselves. (Laughter and cheers.) That is a matter of opinion, and a sub ject for discussion, and I do not think Irish members have any reason to fear any amount of lengthy debate on the subject. It appears there have been statements in Ireland, that members for Ireland from corrupt mo tives, have taken up the cause of the Government, have acted with them, and voted for them, and it had even been alleged that they have received sums of money for so doing. It appears that gross accusation is now aban doned, and I think it is always better, in such cases, to allow the matter to drop, without taking any further proceedings. (Cheers.) Mr. J. BALL wished to say a few words, but The SPEAKER called the hon. gentleman to order, as there was no motion before the house. Lord J. RUSSELL moved that the house do pass to the orders of the day. Mr. BALL then proceeded to remark that the state ment which the hon. member for New Ross made last night referred to transactions which occurred four months ago. Mr. G. DUFFY said the hon. gentleman was mis taken. His statement did not refer to anything of the sort. Mr. Hay, chief clerk of the Admiralty, was then ex amined by Sir B. Hall, who asked whether the expenses of Mr. Stafford, as Secretary to the Board, on his visit in the Black Eagle to Devonport last June, had not been paid under the head of Contingencies. Mr. Hay replied that they had. Sir B. Hall—Will you refer to the account, and tell me what it amounts to ? Mr. Hay—To 72/. Sir B. Hall—What is the amount of the bill incurred at Moreshead's Hotel on the 22d and 23d of June, including a dinner to a party of friends ? Mr. Hay-481. 15s. 6d. (Sensation.) Sir B. Hall—Do you know of any similar bill having been sent in by a Secretary of the Admiralty, the board not accompanying him ? Mr. Hay—l do not. (Renewed sensation.) The proceedings terminated at this point, the committee adjourning to Monday. We have been requested to publish the following letter, addressed by Admiral Hyde Parker to Sir B. Walker : " Admiralty, May 2, 1853. "My dear Walker,—l regret I made a mistake about your making use of my three letters. I was not aware, when I said before the committee that I had only given you permission to make use of one letter, that the three letters were all on the subject of the master smith. You are, therefore, perfectly at liberty to make use of tho three before the committee.—Yours very sincerely, " HYDE PARKER." This note completely exonerates Sir Baldwin Walker from having used any of Admiral Hyde Parker's letters to him without his sanction. PARLIAMENTARY DIVISIONS. HOUSE OF COMMONS.-MAY 6. ( From the Votes and Proceedings of the House of Commons.) EXTENSION OF THE INCOME TAX TO IRELAND. Amendment proposed, to leave out the words " United Kingdon," in order to insert the words " Great Britain" instead thereof. Question put, " That the words 'United Kingdom' stand part of the proposed resolution." The committee divided—Ayes, 286; Noes, 61. MAJORITY—AYES, 286 Acland, Sir T. Forster, C. Murphy, F. Stack A'Court, C. Fox, W. J. Noel, Hon. G. Adair, Hugh E. Freestun, Colonel Neeid, John Adderley, C. Freshfleld, J. Norreys, Lord Aglionby, H. A. Frewen, C. H. Oliveira, Benjamin Anderson, Sir James Gallwey, Sir W. P. Osborne, Ralph Anson, Viscount Gardner, Richard Otway, Arthur John Baines, MT. Gladstone, William Paget Lord George Ball, John. Glyn, George Carr Palmer, Robert Baldcoek, E. H. Geoderich, Vis. Palmerston, Viscount Barnes, Thomas Goodman, Sir G. Parker, R. Townley Barrington, Viscount Gordon, Admiral Patten, J. Bess, M. T. Goulburn, Henry Peelle'', Sir G. Beaumont, W. B. Grace, 0. Pellatt, A Bell, James Graham, Sir J. Percy, J. II nbow, John Greenall, G. Phillips, John Henry Bentinck, G. P. Gregson, Samuel Thillimore, It. J. Beresford, William Grenfell, C. Pigott, F. Berkeley, Admiral Grey Sir G. Flit ington, J. Berkeley, Hon. C. F. Grosvenor, Earl Pollard -Urquhart, W. Biddulph, It. M. Gwyn, 'towel Ponsonby, Hn.A.G J. Blackett, J. F. Hadfield, George Portal. M. Blandford, M arquis Hale, Robert B. Portman, W. Benham-Carter, Join Hanbury, Spencer B Powlett, Lord W. Boyle, Colonel Hanmer, Sir J. Price, W. P. Bramston, T. W. Hastie, Alexander Pritchard, J. Brand, H. Hastie, Archibald Pugh, D. Bright, John Hawkins, W. W. Ramsden, Sir J. Wino, Musgrave Heathcoate, J. Bepton, G. W. J. Brocklehurst, John Heathcoate, Sir G. Ricardo, 0. Brother ton, Joseph Heneage, G. 11. W. Rice, E. Browne, V. Pleneage, G. F. Robertson, P. F. Bruce; H. A. Herbert, H. A. Roll, P., Bulkeley, Sir R. B. Herbert, Sidney Rumbold, C. E. Buller, Sir J. Y. Hervey, Lord Alfred Rushout, Capt. Burrell, Sir C. M. Heywood, James Russell, LordJ. 'miler, Charles S. Ileyworth, L. Russell, F. C. Byng, G. H. Charles Hildyard, R. Sanders, G. Cardwell, E. Itindley, Charles Sawle, C. B. G. Caulfield, Col. Howard, W. G. Scobell, Capt. Chambers, M. Howard, Lord E. Scully, V. Chambers, T. Hudson, George Seymer, H. K. Chandos, Marquis of Hume, Joseph Seymour, 11. D. Charteris, F. Hutchins, E. Seymour, W. D. Cheetham, john Inglis, Sir R. 11. Shelburne, Earl Chelsea, Viscount Irian, Samuel Shelley, Sir J. V. Child, Smith Jackson, William Smith, John Benj. Christy, S. Jermyn, Earl Smith, M. Tucker Clay, Sir W. Johnstone, James Smith, Bt. En. R. Clifford, Henry M. Johnstone. Sir J. :Smyth. J. Clinton, Ld C. Kendall, Nicholas Sotheron, T. U. Clinton, Lord Robert Keogh, William Spooner. Richard Coblx,:d, J. C. Kershaw, James stafford, A. Cocks, Thomas S. Kingscote, B. N. F. Stanley, W. 0. Coffin, W. Kinuaird, Arthur F. Stirling. W. Coles, H. Beaumont Kirk, William Strickland, Sir G. Collier, Robert P. Knightley, Rainald Strutt, E. Colvile, Charles R. Labouchere, H. Stuart, H. Cowan, Charles Laffan, R. M. Sturt, 11. G. Cowper, W. F. Laing, S. Thicknesse, R. A. Craufurd, E. 11. J. Langston, J. K. Thompson, G. Crook, J, Langton, H. G. Thornely, T. Crossley, Frank Lascelles, E. 4 Townshend, Capt. Dalrymple, Vise. Legh, G. C. Tu fnell, H. Davie, Sir H. Lennox,Lord H. G. Vane, Lord H. Davies, D. A. S. Lewis, Sir T. Vernon.G. E. H. Denison, E. Lewisham, Vise. Tillers, Hon. C. Denison, J. E. Loveden, P. Vivian, J. H. Hering, Sir E. Lowe, Robert Vivian, H. H. Divett, Edward Luce, T. Wall, C. B. Hammond, H. Macgregor, James Walmsley, Sir J. Duckworth, Sir J. M'Taggart, Sir J. Welby, Sir G. Duff, George Mangles, R. D. Wellesley, Lord C. Dud, James Manners, Lord G. Wells, W. Duncan, G. Mare, C. J. West, F. R. Dundas, G. Martin, John Whitbread, S. Dundas, F. Massey, W. N. Whitmore, 11. Dunlop, A. Masterman, J. Wickham, H. W. East, Sir J. B. Matheson, Alex. Wilcox, B. Brerton, Sir P. Matheson, Sir J. Will!ems, W. Egert n, W. Manic, Colonel Wilson, J ames Egerton, Edward lil eux, Sir Henry •N' limington, Sir T. Ellice, Rt. Hon. E. Miall, Edward Wise, John A. Ellice, E. Milligan, Robert Wood, Sir C. Elliot, John Mills, T. Woodd, B • Evans, Sir De Lacy Milnes, R. M. Wortley, J. S. Evans, William Milton, Lord Wrightson, W. Ewa - , ~, 11'4iliam Michell, W. Wyndham, hen. Farnham, E. B. Mitchell, T. Wyndham, Wii'larn Fell den, AI. Moffatt, G. Wynn, H. Fergus, John Molesworth, Sir W. Wye ill, 31. Ferguson, Colonel Monck, Lord Young, Sir T. Ferguson, Joseph Mouse% W. Fitzgerald, J. Montgomery, Sir G. TELLERS. Fitzroy, Hon. H. Morris, D. Hayter, W. G. Foley, John H. Mostyn, E. M. B erkeley Grenville Forester, Colonel Mulgrave, Earl MINORITY—NOES, 61. Alexander, J. Hamilton, Geo. A. Prime, R. Archdall, Captain Hamilton, J. Hans Russell, F. W. Bailey, Crawshay Hardinge, Charles S. Sadleir, J. Bailey, H J Keating, Robert Scully, F. Ball, Edward Kelly, Sir F. Sibthorp, Colonel Baring, Sir F. Kennedy, Tristram Smyth, R. J. Bateson, Thomas Ker, D. S. Stanley, Lord Bland, L. Knox, W. S . Sullivan, M. Bower, G. M'Cann, J. Swift, Richard Bunbury, W. 31` Mahon ' P. Taylor, Colonel Burghley, Lord Maguire, J. Towneley, C. Christopher, R. Adam Manners, Lord J. Verner, Sir W. Corbally, M. E. Maxwell, James P. Walcot, Adm. Corry, Henry Lowry Dleagher, Thomas Walpole, SII . Davison, R. Devereve, J. T. Montgomery. H. L. Whalley, G. 11. Moore, G. H. Whiteside, James Disraeli, Benjamin Moore, RS. Yorke, Eliot Thomas Dunne, Col. Naas, Lord Eshionde, John O'Brien,y. Iir.LLERS. Fuller, Angus us E. O'Flaherty, Anthony Greene, J. Packington, Sir J. Lawless, C. Grogan, E. Power, N. Fagan, W. Mr. J. BALL said that he had nothing further to say, but the hon. gentleman, against whom he had no per sonal animosity whatever, had stated in another capacity than a member of Parliament, that Irish members, in supporting the present Government, had violated a pledge which they made four years ago. It appeared, however, that what the hon. member said last night was not an echo of this statement, and he had therefore no thing more to say in this unpleasant matter. The SPEAKER then put the question that the house pass to the order of the day, which was agreed to amidst much laughter. WAYS AND MEANS.—INCOME TAX. The house shortly afterwards went into committee of ways and means, when The CHAIRMAN (Mr. Bourerie) put the question which was debated last night, namely, that the words proposed to be left out of the resolution which included Ireland in the operation of the income tax stand part of the question. Mr. F. FRENCH rose to order. The hon. member for New Ross was in possession of the chair when this debate was interrupted last night, and The CHAIRMAN said the question having been put, the hon. and learned member was out of order in speaking. Lord J. RUSSELL (speaking sotto voce) requested the hon. member to speak sitting, and with his hat on. Mr. F. FRENCH, adopting the noble lord's advice, proceeded to say it was neither fair nor proper to put the question in this abrupt manner. The hon. member for New Ross was in possession of the chair when the debate was interrupted, and he bad therefore a right to complete the speech which he commenced last night. Mr. GOULBURN, speaking with hi s hat on,)and sitting, was understood to agree with the honourable gentleman who last addressed the committee; but before ENTAILS (SCOTLAND) BILL. As amended, considered. Amendment proposed, page 3, lines 14 and 15, to leave out the words between "entail," in line 14, and "the granting," in line 15, and insert the words "whether the tailzie under which he holds the en tailed estate be dated prior or subsequent to the Ist day of August, 1848, to authorise," instead thereof. Question put, " That the words proposed to be left out stand part of the bill." The house divided—Ayes, 120; Noes, 24. MAJORITY—ATES, 120. Acland, Sir T. Goderlch, Viscount Mulgrave, Earl A'Court, C. Goodman, Slr George Murrough, J. P. d dair, 11. Graham, Sir James Naas, Lord Adderley, C. Granby, Marquis of Norreys, Sir D. Baines, M. T. Greenall, Gilbert Osborne, Ralph Baldock, E. H. Grenfell,C. Paget, Lord Alfred Bateson, T. Grogan, E. Paget, Lord George Bentinck, Geo. P. Hamilton, Lord C. Palmerston, Via. Bethel, Richard Hamilton, G. A. Parker, It. T. Bonham-Carter, J. Hanbury, Hon. C. Patten, J. Boyle, Col. Hawkins, William Percy, J. William krothei ton, J. Ilenley, Joseph W. Phinn, Thomas Browne. Valentine Herbert, Sidney Pi4ott, Francis Bruce, Lord Ernest Hervey, Lord Alfred Ponsonby,:lL A. Bruce, Cumming Ilindley, Charles Price, W.P. Butt, Isaac Hume, W. F. lticarilo, O. Byng, G. 11. C. Hutt, William Russell, Lord J. Cardwell, Hon. E. Ingham, Robert Russell, F. G. Cavendish, C. C. Irton, Samuel Sawle, C. B. G. Chambers, Thomas Jones, D. Seaharn, Lord. Charteris, F. Kendall, N. Spooner, R. Clay, Sir W. Keogh, William Stafford, A. Clinton, Lord R. Klngscote, R. N. F. 'Stafford, Marquis Cobbold, J. Chevalier Knight, F. W. Stanley, L ,rd Cockburn, Sir Alex. Laing, S. Stirling, William Cowper, W. Liddell, H. G. Strutt, Edward Crowder, R. Lo intim, Lord Taylor, Col. Dalrymple, Vis. Lowe, R. Thornely, T. Dunne, Col Lowther, Colonel Townley, C. Egei :cm. Sir Philip Luce, Thomas Vane, Lo dA. Ellice, E. Macgregor, James Villiers, Rt. Hn. C. Elliot, J. E. Maddock, Sir H. Walpole, Spencer H. Ev ins, W. Mandeville, Viscount. Whitbread, Samuel Feilden, M. Freestun Colonel Mettle, Colonel Whiteside, James Henry Fergus, J. Mills, T. Wickham, W. Fitzroy, Henry Michell, W. Wilson, J. Forster, Charles b i lonereiff, James Wyndham, General Gladstone, Captain MOs ns ty e i li t, E, M. . Young, Sir John Galway, ' 3 Viscount Geacb, Charles Montgomery, Sir G. TELLERS. Moore, Rosa 3 Hayter, Hon. W. Berkeley, Grenville MINORITY —NOES, 24. Anderson, Sir James t.recne, John Pllkington, James Bass, M. T. Hastle, Alexander Potter, It. Bouverie, E. Hutto, Archibald Smollett, A. Caville, C. It. Heywood, James Stuart, Lord D. Cowan, Charles Kirk, William TM cknesse, R. A. Craufurd, E. M'Cann, Ja mes Thompson, George Matheson,Crossley, F. A. fELLIM. Duncan, George Matheson, Si r J . Dunlop, A. Fitnerald, J. D. Napier, J. Krona id, A.F. I IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS—(YESTERDAY.) The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the wool sack at five o'clock. Lord STANLEY (of Alderley) presented a petition from Manchester, pray ing for the extension of the juiis diction of county courts to matters of bankruptcy. The Bishop of SALISBURY presented several peti tions from various parts of his diocese, praying for the better observanc e of the Lord's-day. The Bishop of NORWICH presented a petition pray ing for the removal of Jewish disabilities. AMENDMENT OF THE LAW OF EVIDENCE ILL Lord BROUGHAM said h ie . had already expressed his intention of dividing this bill, which had already been read a second time, into two p ar t s , an d h e was confirmed in this int en ti on by the able report of the Common Law Commissioners, which recommended that course, and approved of a large portion of the bill, but did not ex press an opinion upon that part which related to self crimination by witnesses. He would bring the subject before their lordships on Monday, and he hoped his noble and learned friend on the woolsack would name a day for going into committee upon it. Lord CAMPBELL suggested that the bill should be referred to a select committee. REGISTRATION OF ASSURANCES BILL. On the motion of the LORD CHANCELLOR that this bill be read a third time, Lord ST. LEONARDS said he did not believe it would carry out the objects for which it was intended. It had been brought before Parliament nine or ten times, and had never yet become a law. The commis sioners of 1850 had given it as their opinion that no system of registration would work well without a map, which it would take years to prepare. If the measure could be carried into execution the costs of it would be enormous. The noble and learned lord then proceeded to repeat his objections to the bill which he had urged upon previous occasions when it had been before their lordships. Their lordships then divided— Contents .................................... 57 Not contents .............................. 29-28 On the question that the bill do pass, Lord CAMPBELL expressed the gratification he felt at seeing a measure for which he had laboured for twenty four years on the point of passing their lordships' house, and trusted that it would be equally successful in the other branches of the Legislature. He had, however, considerable doubts whether it would not reach the House of Commons too late to be debated this session, and he hoped that instead of proroguing Parliament at the end of the session it would merely be adjourned, so that the bill might become law this year. Indeed, it would be an excellent plan if the house were adjourned for two or three months at the end of each session, to enable them to take up and finish the measures that were in progress. (Hear, hear.) Lord LYNDHURST gave his hearty support to the bill, and said that if his noble and learned friend (Lord St. Leonards) had attended the commission he would have been satisfied that his fears as to the operation of the measure were groundless. After a slight altercation between Lord ST. LEONARDS and Lord BEAUMONT as to whether the bill had received the sanction of the two royal commissions, the bill was then passed. ROADS IN INDIA. The Earl of ALBEMARLE moved for several returns, which were agreed to,_ CHARITABLE TRUSTS BILL. The select committee on this bill was nominated. CATHEDRAL APPOINTMENTS BILL. The house went into committee on this bill, and the various clauses were agreed to. The Bishop of OXFORD gave notice that on bring ing up the report he should move the addition of a clause suspending the operation of the iact, under which the capitular bodies at present have power to assign their estates to the Ecclesiastical Commission in return for fixed stipends, till Parliament shall have considered the report for the commission. The bill then passed through committee. LUNACY REGULATION BILL LUNATIC ASYLUMS BILL LUNATIC CARE AND TREATMENT BILL. These bills were severally read a third time and passed. CLITHEROE ELECTION. Lord BEAUMONT gave notice that on Monday he would call the attention of the house to the position they were in with regard to the Chtheroe election, no answer having been returned to the communication from the House of Commons on the subject. Their lordships then adjourned at five minutes past seven o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS—(YESTERDAY.) The SPEAKER took the chair at four o'clock, when the seats on both sides were nearly all filled. ELECTION COMMITTEES. The Cork and Plymouth Election Committees were sworn in, and appointed to sit to-morrow. PRIVATE BUSINESS. The Lords amendments to the Crystal Palace Com pany, and the Great Yarmouth Waterworks Bills, were considered and agreed to. The following bills were read a third time and agreed to :—Belfast and Ballymena Railway ; Manchester, Sheffield, and Lincolnshire Railway (Alteration of Ca pital) Bill. BERWICK ELECTION. Mr. MITCHELL presented a petition from Mr. Matthew Forster, denying the truth of the allega tion that he had endeavoured by means of corrupt pro mises to procure the withdrawal of the petition against his return, stating that two persons had offered to him to withdraw the petition on condition of receiving a large sum of money, and praying for an inquiry into the whole circumstances. (On the motion of the hon. member the petition was read by the clerk at the table.) The hon. member wished to know whether the offer mentioned by the petitioner did not involve a breach of the privi leges of the house. ° The SPEAKER said, as the matter stood at present, it was difficult to say whether it amounted to a breach of the privileges of the house. Mr. MITCHELL gave notice that he would on Mon day move for the appointment of a committee to inquire into the statements in the petition. (Hear.) DUTIES ON CLOVER SEEDS, &c. Sir J. SHELLEY said—l wish to put to the Secre tary of the Treasury a question of great importance to us agriculturists. (Laughter) We farmers wish to know whether the Government intend to remove the duties on clover and other small seeds, in order to carry out the principles of free trade ? Mr. WILSON admitted that the farmers had a right to make an appeal to the Government on that subject, both on the principle now adopted of unrestricted com petition, and on the ground that all articles of raw ma terial ought to be admitted free into the country. (Hear, hear.) Deputations lately received by the Government had urged that the duties in question ought to be taken off in conformity with those principles. The matter was now under the consideration of the Government, and the only reason why they hesitated at ali in coming to a conclusion was as to the amount which the duties at present yielded, not a s t o th e propr i e t y o f th e ir being removed. (Cheers.) SALE OF CROWN RIGHTS IN RUABON. Mr. WHALLEY asked the Secretary to the Trea sury whether any further steps had been taken in the proposed sale of crown rights in Ruabon, since the peti tion relative thereto was presented, and the return of papers ordered by the house. Mr. WILSON replied, that in the month of January last the Treasury gave its consent to an arrangement entered into between Sir Watkins Wynne and the Lord of the Manor, and the inhabitants of Ruabon, and nothing in the matter had been done since by the Trea sury. ADJOURNMENT FOR THE HOLIDAYS. - -- --- In reply to Sir J. TROLLOPE, Lord J. RUSSELL said he would now give notice hat on Friday next he would move the adjournment of she house until the Thursday following. ENNIS ELECTION. The SPEAKER intimated that he had received a let ter stating that it was not intended to proceed with the petition against the return of Mr. J. D. Fitzgerald for Ennis. (Hear, hear.) On the motion of Sir J. TROLLOP; the petition was ordered to be discharged. APPEAL OF TENANT FARMERS UNDER THE INCOME TAX. Colonel SIBTHORP wished to know whether in the event of the income tax passing, it was intended to give tenant farmers the same right of appeal which they now possessed in regard to their real bona fide incomes. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the Government had no intention to deprive them of their present right of appeal. HARWICH ELECTION, Mr. HEADLAM brought up the report of the com mittee unseating Mr. G. Montag ue W arren Peacock and seating M r . David Waddington, for Harwich. He stated that it was proved to the committee that Mr. Peacock entered into an arrangement with Mr. Attwood, his solicitor, to pay him a certain sum of money in the event of his being elected for the borough, and also that several voters had been bribed at the elec tion, but it was not proved with the knowledge of Mr. Peacock. ELECTION COMMISSIONS. In answer to an HoN. MEMBER, Lord J. RUSSELL said it was out of the question to allow these motions to take precedence on the Govern ment nights ; but he would endeavour to fix them for days when they were likely to come on. GOVERNMENT ANNUITIES. Mr. J. B. SMITH asked the Chancellor of the Ex chequer, whether the Government had suspended the granting of annuities for lives and terms of years, and if so, whether the suspension was intended to be perma nent or temporary only. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said several matters had been done, and were in tb e contemplation by the Government respecting granting of annuities ; but as regarded the question of the hon. member, it was not the case that the Govern ment had suspended granting annuities, either on lives or for a term of years. The question of the hon. mem ber might perhaps have arisen out of the fact that for a certain limited period before every quarter the granting of annuities was suspended. CHATHAM ELECTION. Lord J. RUSSELL gave notice that on Monday next he should move the adjournment of the Chatham writ ; 4nd also that it was his intention to bring in a bill to he could say five words, strangers were ordered to with draw, and the matter of order was discussed with closed doors. The committee divided during this period, when the numbers were— For the amendment 6l Against it 286 Majority The resolution was accordingly carried. Mr. MOO RE moved that the chairman do report pro gress, and ask leave to sit again in order that the point of order might be discussed with the Speaker in the chair. Mr. LABOUCHERE concurred with the motion, and said it was most desirable that the point of order should be decided by the house, and not the committee. Lord J. RUSSELL also concurred in the motion under the circumstances stated. And the question, that the Chairman report progress, was put and carried. The house having resumed, the Chairman reported progress and obtained leave to sit again. Lord J. RUSSELL then stated what had occurred about the point of order, and added that, as the hon. member for Mayo had been instrumental in raisin, the point of order perhaps he wou ld b e good enoug h to continue the discussion. Mr. MOORE then proceeded to explain to the Speaker the position in which the matter stood. When the debate was interrupted last night the hon. member for New Ross was in possession of the chair, but the Chairman of the committee tonight, instead of calling the hon. member for New R oss to resume th debate, proceeded in a hurried manner to put the ques tion, which was clearly a violation of his duty. (Hear, hear.) Mr. BOUVERIE said he had committed the mistake, if mistake it was, unintentionally ; but the house should remember that he hesitated some time before he put the question, with the view of seeing if any o ne w i s h ed to speak. The hon. member for Droitwich, seeing his hesitation, rose and asked him what the question was, and before he put it he gave him a distinct answer. However, he had no intention to take any one by sur prise. _ Sir J. PAKINGTON said this dispute only showed the necessity for order being called and obtained before any question was put. The SPEAKER said there was a difference between the practice of the house and that of its committee. In the house a member could only speak once, but in com mittee members could speak as often as they pleased. It was therefore difficult to determine this point, but the 1 house would remember that when a member moved the adjournment of a debate in the house, it certainly gave him the privilege of opening the debate on the following day, it yet did not follow that the Speaker was bound to call upon him, unless he rose to address the house. Nor it did not appear that the hon. member for New Ross rose when the question was just in com mittee ; and therefore, according to analogy, th• Chair man was not out of order in putting the question to the vote. Lord J. RUSSELL then moved that the Speaker do Leave the chair. Colonel SIBTHORP said there had been so much confusion that he was really at a loss to understand what had occurred, but he could undertake to say that although he was opposed to the income tax in any shape, he yet thought, after the conduct of her repre sentatives, Ireland ought to be called upon to pay double the income tax. (A. laugh.) After a scene of much confusion, during which several motions of adjournment were made, the Speaker left the chair, and the house again went into committee, Mr. MAGAN rose and said that he wished to avoid say ing what he thought--(much laughter)—but the Irish members were badly treated with respect to this subject of the income tax. (Hear, hear.) The Irish members held a meeting up stairs, at which certain matters of importance were discussed, and they were informed that if the govern ment, who were expected to succeed to ,office, were in power they would not impose an income tax on Ireland. (" Hear, hear," and cries of " Name, name." That he thought was a matter which affected somebody—whether it was the character of the Irish member who made the announcement or the character of the government it was not for him to say. He would leave that matter in the hands of the house, and the house would decide,whether such conduct was honourable or not. (Hear.) The hon. member for Clonmel interrupted him when he was about to make that statement. He certainly made every allow ance for the position in which that hon. member now stood. (Laughter.) If that hon member really wished to accomplish what he pretended by his motion last night, and which he did not much simplify bthe incoherent wanderings of a guilty conscience, which had violated its pledges—(loud laughter.) Mr. LAWLESS, much excited, rose to order. He ap pealed to the chairman to know in what way he trespassed on the rules of the house or the rules which befitted an assembly of gentlemen when he moved that Ireland be exempted from the income tax. In making that motion he pledged his honour he had no other motive. (Loud cries of " Order, order," " Chair, chair," which continued for a long time, Mr. Magian and Mr. Lawless being left on their legs and endeavouring to address the committee.) At length Mr. WALPOLE rose and said it was necessary for the due regulation of discussion, whether the Speaker or Mr. Bouverie sat in the chair, that the decision of the chairman should be implicitly obeyed. The hon. member for Clon mel had now twice interrupted the hon. member for West meath, and it was quite irregular for one hon. member to interrupt another whilst speaing, unless he rose to a point of order. (Hear, hear.) The hon. member for Clonmel rose to a point of order, but, instead of speaking to the point of order, he was proceeding to state other matters. (Hear.) Mr. LAWLESS—I object to the words "guilty con science." I— (loud cries of " Order, order, " Chair, chair"). Mr..BOITVERIE called on Mr. Magan to proceed, but ( Mr. Lawless refused to give way, and moved that the words of the hon. member for Westmeath be taken down. (Laughter.) Lord J. RUSSELL said ho agreed with the right hon. gentleman opposite that it was absolutely necessary that the house should maintain silence ; and in the next place, that hon. members should be governed by the decision of the chairman. (Hear, hear.) Mr. HUME said that the hon. member near him (Mr. Lawless) made a motion which, although he (Mr. Hume) heard, he believed the chairman could not hear in conse quence of the noise. The hon. gentleman complained of the words " guilty conscience," and moved that those words be taken down. (Laughter, and " oh, oh.") He apprehended that by the rule of the house he was entitled to have the words taken down, if he thought they cast any reflection upon him. (Hear.) The CHAIRMAN said he did not hear the hon. gentle man making any motion, and to the best of his judgment he believed that the hon. member for Clonmel had tra velled out of the point of order. (Hear, hear.) He did not hear the hon. member for Westmeath make use of the words complained of. If he used the disorderly words he should, of course, call him to order. But with regard to taking down words, he begged to inform the committee that a mistake had been made on the previous night with regard to this matter ; for he had since been informed that it was for the house, with the Speaker in the chair, and not for the committee, to decide whether the words should be taken down or not. (Cheers.) Mr. MAGAN said that the hon. member for New Ross, whose words had been ordered to be taken down, had come out of that ordeal with such flying colours that ho was ra ther ambitious to have his words taken down. (Loud laughter.) But he would not be so obstinate as that hon. gentleman, for if he said anything offensive, he was most desirous of withdrawing it. (Hear, hear.) At the same time he must say the hon. member for Clonmel did not seem disposed to allow him the necessary liberty to state naked facts. (Hear, hoar, and laughter.) He was going to state the way in which the Government had be haved with respect to the imposition of the income tax in Ireland. (Laughter.) He was about to state that per sons who were considered to be accredited both by the Whigs and Peelites did by creating confusion and making statements such as he had referred to, directly procure the defeat of Lord Derby and his Government. (Loud Opposi tion cheers.) The same parties now accused them (the Irish members) of wanting to require from any Govern ment the same thing that they required of the present Go vernment, and of wishing to bring back Lord Derby to power. (Hear, hear.) He (Mr. M ogan ) w i s h e d t o s t a t e plainly that he id want to bring back Lord Derby, but he only wanted to bring him back for the purpose of putting him out again. (Loud laughter.) Now, with regard to those gentlemen on the opposite side who talked of being conscientious and independent, he must say that they were not independent, and their conciences were kept in the boroughs they represented. They were not allowed to bring their consciences there, and were left no discretion in the matter whatever. (Laughter.) If he might make use of a vulgar expression in reference to them, he would say that they were like a pennyworth of butter wrapped up in Mr. Sharman Crawford's bill. (Laughter.) He be .ieved he was the only member who professed independent politics in the house. (Loud laughter.) He claimed to be independent, and it was perfectly well known why he said so. (Laughter.) Those gentlemen opposite who voted with the Government had violated the pledges they made to their constituents. (Oh, oh.) He said that in the most polite manner possible. (Much laughter.) There were two classes of Irish representatives. Some few of I them, who voted with the Government, such as the hon. member for Kerry (Mr. Herbert) and his colleague, voted, he had no doubt, conscientiously. But there was another class who had no discretion left them. He rose on the part of those Irish members who had kept their pledges, for the purpose of saying that it would be extremely conve nient if in future no emissaries of the Government were found at the meetings of Irish members. (Loud laughter.) Colonel GREVILLE said that he was surprisedtllent. hon, gentlemen opposite, who appeared to be seh skinned when imputations were cast upon them, s hould t themselves cast reflections on others, and tell thoseogie sside of the house that th©y could not be impartial on sub ject. (Hear, hear.) He was surprised thattheh° mem ber for Callow (Mr. Ball) should have ma d e the allusions and cast the imputations he did, after the statements made by the hon. member for Westmeath. He heard rumours of the same kind, but his vote was not influence d by those and promises. The right hon. gent leman the rumoursPresident of the Board of Control, however, appeared to be somewhat influenced by them, because be said ho would not consent to impose an income tax on Ireland, although he was now going to vote for that proposition, on the ground that Ireland was to have remitted to her 4,000,000/. of consolidated annuities , or an annual charge of 245,000/. Now, a committee of the House of Lords decided that Ireland was not bound in equity to pay half o f th at charge. Yet Ireland was to have an income tax to the extent of 460,0001. and an increase of the spirit duties (bear)—the result of which would be th a t for 131,000/. — remitted, w e should have to pay 500,0001. additional t - ( o l it l t e i o ao n . r e l r l no o m N e v n as t glad to see Irish members opp os i te side) holding themsel ves i n d ependent of the Government, and withholding their support from a measure for i m p os i ng the income tax o n Ireland. There were questions of vital importance to the interests of that country still unsottlod, and while they remained so it was necessary that the Irish party should continue mergingnt intiein i d n dent of th e one side or the other, and avoid strength into that of either. Mr. E. BALL had understood the hon. gentleman the member for Westmeath member of that house, who I ken . . rr an) to say that a certain was an accredited agent of the Whig and Peel party, had intimated to the Irish members that, if they would assistin turnin g ou t L or d D er b y ' s mi nistry, Ireland s h ould not tax. (Hear, hear.) ne be mad e li a bl e to the property (Mr. Ball) did not know much of the usages of that house, but he was quite sure the public out of doors would consider that, if that wrs3 trite, a viola tion of all good faith and good feeling had b on committed, and that it ought not to pass without exple nation. (Hear, hear.) He did not know who the accredit°, I agent alluded to was—whether it was the Secretary of t be Treasury of not ; but, if so, he hoped such an explanation would be given as should wipe away the imputation if discreditable conduct. (Hear, hear.) Mr. FRENCH had charged his right hon.. friend (Sir C. Wood) with not carrying out the promise inferred from the declaration he made to the Irish members in that house in reference to the extension of the income tax to Ireland, and his right hon. friend had endeavoured to answer that charge by explaining that the question now s tool on a dif ferent footing, in consequence of the imposition of the tax being accompanied by the remission of tho Consolidated Anuuitics ; and that inasmuch as that remission would relieve the land from a charge to which it was now liable, he did not consider himself bound by the declaration. The house would recollect that the statement of the right hon. gentleman against extending the income tax to Ireland was made in reference to the proposal for that purpose brought forward last year by the right hon. member for Bucks, which did not in any way affect the land, con sequently, the right hon. gentleman's explanation was in no way applicable. The right hon. gentleman, it would be remembered, called on Irish members to beware how they permitted the small end of the wedge to be inserted, and advised them not to allow the income tax to he extended to Ireland in any shape ; and now that a proposal for im posing that tax to a far greater extent was brought for ward, he turned round upon the Irish members, and aban doning altogether his declaration against this tax in any shape as applicable to Ireland, he supported it, giving as his only explanation that some relief was to be given to the land. (Hear, hear.) Lord J. RUSSELL remarked that it would be better if the hon. gentleman had a charge to make against his right hon. friend—that he could not honestly and honourably vote for the Government proposal of the income tax, which ho had declared his intention to vote for—if the hon. gentleman had such a charge to make it would be better that he should make it when Isis right hon. friend was in the house, that he might have the opportunity of meeting it. (Hear, hear.) Mr. FRENCH—I did not know the right hon. gentle man was not in the house. Lord J. RUSSELL—His right hon. friend was in the hsch who arg house th e w h o l e of the earlier part of the evening during g th h o t n hgahvteitbmroourgeht convenientfor ward the dis cuss i on that had taken place, when the hon. gentle man,charge—(hear)—but he present, to make it in the absence of his right hon. friend, and very probably in doing so he had exercised wise • a judg ment. (Oh, oh.) His right hon. friend had, however, fully explained hi s conduct in the debate on the income tax, and he (Lord J. Russell) believed that explanation was considered satisfactory to the house and to the country. (Hear, hear.) His right hon. friend then said that he con sidered the propositio n of the right hon. member for Bucks (Mr. Disreali) to impose part of the income tax on Ireland for three years ought not, under the circumstances, to be carried out, but that in considering the proposal brought forward, by the present Government he thought, upon the whole balancing the advantage with the disadvantage-- that Ireland would be a gainer by the remission of the consolidated annuities (that remission comprehending not only those advances made on account of the distress in Ire land, but those also which were made for the necessities of the workhouses) to an extent that would more than coun terbalance the burden of the income tax. (Hear, hear.) And in the exercise of a judgment which he had full right to exercise, his right hon. frie • nd declared that h e wou ld vote in favour of the proposition. (Hear, hear.) Such in substance was the explanation which his right hon. friend gave—he went into details on the subject, and he (Lord J. Russell) was sure that many Irish members, and certainly very many other members, had also come to the opinion that it was better for Ireland to have the remission of these consolidated annuities, and to bear the income tax, than to go on paying these annuities. (Hear.) He had, he thought, said sufficient to answer the charge of his hon. friend opposite, that his right hon. friend had voted for this measure without fully explaining the reasons that had induced him to do so, and he would suggest if his hon. friend (Mr. French) had anything further to say on the subject, that he should take an opportunity of saying it when his right hon. friend the President of the Board of Control was in the house. (Hear, hear.) Mr. FRENCH did not know when he spoke that the right hon. gentleman, the member for Halifax, was not in the house. Did the noble lord mean to impute to him (Mr. French) that he had made a charge against the right hon. gentleman in his absence which he would not have made in his presence? (Hear, and Oh.) If not, what did he mean ? He could assure the noble lord that he was not the person to shrink from bringing forward charges against any minister, and in the presence of that minister, when he thought them well founded. Sir R. INGLIS was ready to give to Irish members the largest latitude of time and of eloquence, but, on the part of English members, he must appeal to them now to allow them to proceed with the business of the country. (Hear, hear.) He wished to call attention to a subject which he had brought under the notice of the house on every occa sion of the renewal of the income tax since 1842, viz., the injustice in point o f principle, while they made all in comes under a certain amount exempt, to charge the tax upon the whole of the income where it exceeded the limit fixed.' (Hear, hear.) That was if they fixed the limit at which the tax should begin at 1001. a year or 1501. a year, it should apply only to the incomes beyond that amount and not to the whole sum. The extension of the tax to incomes of 1001. would extend the injustice of which he complained to a class of persons who perhaps were least able to bear it. This principle of levying the tax pressed very severely on clergymen of small incomes, half-pay officers, and others, who were compelled to maintain the position of gentlemen on slender means, 4/. 7s. 6d. a year was a small sum to members of that house, but it was a serious amount to persons whose incomes were only 1501. a year. What he contended was, that whatever the limit was, whether 1001, or 1501., at which the income should become liable to the tax—the tax should be charged only upon the amount by which that limit was exceeded. Two objections only had he ever heard against this plan—viz., the difficulty of remodelling the arrangements ; and the loss to the revenue. With regard to the first, he believed, if his right hon friend would direct one of the functionaries in his office to turn his attention to the subject, the diffi culty might be met in a fortnight; and as to the second— the question was not so much what the revenue would lose, as whether they did not, by the system they adopted, in flict a positive hardship and injustice. Ho wouldnot pro pose any formal resolution, but would reserve to himself the right of doing so at a future time. The CHANCELLOR of Ithe EXCHEQUER rose to reply ; but The CHAIRMAN said there was no question before the committee. He had not stopped the hon. baronet, because he did not know but that he was about to conclude with an amendment. The observations of the hon. baronet did not, however, refer to that part of the resolutions which he (the chairman) had read, and he must be permitted to read on until he came to some part to which any hon. gentleman desired to propose amendment. The first part of the resolution was then read, viz., " That it is the opinion of this committee, that, towards raising the supply granted to her Majesty, there shall be raised annually during the terms hereinafter limited the several rates and duties following (that is to say), for and in respect of the property in any lands, tenements, or here ditaments, in the United Kingdom, and for and in respect of every annuity, pension, or stipend." Mr. FITZGERALD had an amendment to interpose at this point, the object of which was to exempt incomes in Ireland arising from trades and professions from this tax. Ho concurred in the principle, if the tax was to be made permanent in this country, of extending it to Ireland. And the feeling in Ireland was not so much against the extension of the income tax to that country as against its application to trades and professions. His amendment would exempt Ireland only from a part of Schedule D, and it was that part that required expensive machinery and those inquisitorial proceedings which would tend more than anything else to snake the tax unpopular. The total amount of funded property now held in Ireland was about 38,000,000/. producingabout 1,300,0001. a year. L and might be taken at 11,000,0001., public salaries and county salaries at nearly 1,000,000/. The income from railway property was about 7,000,0001. a year, and then came the banking property. The Chancellor of the Exchequer had estimated the income tax to be derived from Ireland at 450,0001., which at three per cent, was calculated in a gross income of 15 millions ; but he (Mr. Fitzgerald) esti mated the gross income at 17 millions; and if so, the income tax derivable from trades and professions would be very small indeed. The next question was what would be the probable expense of collection ? He admitted that if the income tax was applied to Dublin Cork, and Bel fast, it would be profitabl e , notwithstanding the expense of collection ; but what machinery was there for the collection of the tax in . the small towns and villages and districts over which incomes above 1001. a year derived from trades and professions, besides those of the clergy, as well of the established church as the Roman catholics and Presbyterians,were scattered. You would not avail your self of any existing machinery for the collection of the tax, that the it was that which induced Sir R. Peel to state the income tax would not be productive in Ireland. Th e existing Poor-law Boards were unfit for the purpose, on account sectarian of the political and feelings wh ic hwwith would they abounded. It then be necessary to create a new extendingtaff over every part of the country at an He 'itzgerald) maintained that enormous expense. (Mr. the reasons which Sir R. Peel felt in 1842 to be conclusive against the tax, existed now in undiminished force ; ;:!nd in asking the house to assent to a proposition exempting trades and professions in Ireland from the income tax, he only followed the opinion of Sir R. Peel. He admitted that it was not just in the abstract to impose this tax on laud and other property, and exempt trades and profes sions, but the ground or the exemption was that no finance tax which would not be pro ductive.minister ought to impose a to gentleman then proceededjustify The hon. question. S • the vote he had given on the general for iP°sl?lg amendment of the hon. memberHertfordshire that the had been successful, and a dissolution had f o ll owe d , the England would cry at every hustingshave been that the income tax s hould be extended to Irel an d , b ecause in this country it was believed that this was a free trade budget. H e (Mr. Fitzgerald) believed it was a free trade budget, an d because it was so he supported it. The amend ment he proposed was a real one, and one which he should press to a division, on the ground that the expense of the collection of the income tax, as regarded trades fessions, would be s o grea t as to render it and Pro- Sir J. PAKINGTON repudiated a productive. rumour adverted to by Mr. Fitzgerald, that a compact cer tain portion o f th e Irish members existed b e t ween a and th e members of the late Gover nmen t . He Wasnot Mr. WHITESIDE said, if aware of any such compact. Irish side were sincere, they silo uld 1 members on the other Go vernment the other nisiit.have voted against the With respect to the motion before the house, he would be rather than vote for it would no party to a sham, and Mr. F. SCULLYthought walk out of the house. the lion and learned gentle man who last spoke had not dealt fairly bers from Ireland who voted the other nic wlt t h in ho f n. mem o: the budget. (Laughter.) They voted considering ‘our the t e question to be, whether there should be a budget or no budget. (Laughter on the Opposition benches.) Coming now to the question before the house, the income tax being extended to Ireland, he thought it the duty of Irish repre sentatives to endeavour, by amendments, to make that tax as palatable as possible to the Irish people. (Renewed laughter from the Irish members on the Opposition benches.) He contended that —according to the report of the House of sLords—the consolidated annuities exceeded in amount, even doubled in amount, the highest point at which an income or property tax had ever reached, even in the period of the war. (Hear) By the proposed ar rangement, Ale tenants who held farms of 3001. or 4001. per annum would gain, as they would pay less unde n r . t it.come tax than they were now paying under the a c tfected dated annuities. It was a question, therefore, that itshould be the occupiers of the soil, and lie was a/mien:se.. c _ _ _ argued fairly in that point of view. A! pr . an, L i u L r : c r a :: an immense amount of emigration g o i n g ° thou th e industrious tenant emigrating was nearly altog. the heavy poor rates sued other He believed it brasth uncertainty of what those other local burdens, and t a xe s would hereafter be, that was driving the tenant. 0 5 a