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millions, to be 'employed in agriculture, would . be to contradict the whole of his theory, which rested on the principle, that the most i.:lfeetua I way tp remove the depression of the landed into , rest would be to, reduce the produce to the quantity required by the wants of the country. , —He was convinced that the distribution, of .5,000,0001. would produce no good, and that a very small portion of the sums voted would find its way in the shape of relief. In saying this he did not mean to dissuade their Lordships from entering into the fullest investigaticsn of the sub ject, but only to impress upon their minds the convictionof his, that nothing but a diminished eXpenditure could afford an efficient and certain ITsiniedY: ' He `had . now :OOrte to the unhappy I, :State of Ireland. No man could see without emotions of pain arid sorrow what had lately taken place in that country; or could refrain from contemplating with anxiety. the means necessary tb be employed to repress the existing evils and - prevent others. In the selection of the individual 'fass!'Whern the immediate administration of Ire :land 'vas entrusted, a more judicious choice could 'ruse- have been . made.---(ilear from all sides.) -He stated that, -becauSe he believed that in -that individual were uniltd. the firmness and vi - ' , Olin- necessary to render his administration effi ' caent, and a capacious reach of mind to sift the evils and their causes to the bottom, and not only to supply immediate checks, but to lay grounds for applying legislative and- political remedies. , But he was convinced that no powers entrusted - .to• that individual, however extensive, would prove more, than Palliatives, unless they were _granted on a principle soaring above the pre indices of the paSt.. The present. state of Ire iand could not be attributed to any particular ..nc.t. It stood on a combination of causes, and • could only he cured by a combination of reme - 'die& Though he was himself one of the non resident proprietors of Ireland, yet he was willing to admit' that their absence was certainly ;one of the evils ,Of that country : not a cause, :but an effect produced by those very evils 'which rendered Ireland different in laws and politics from all 'other countries. He should: 'not feel satisfied with what .was done by a, vigorous hand, if a mind were not employed with it capable of rising above the vulgar prejudice that there was something in the soil and the mind of Ireland, which must Of ne - - cessity continue for ages to produce a semi-bar barous race. A sounder and more enlarged view . must he applied to the state of that country he- Sore a final remedy could be provided ; and the -causes of its evils would . be chiefly found on their Lordships' statute books, when they pronounc'ed 'on a difference said to' exist between fhe social - capacities Of Ireland and those of all other ceun.: tries. He felt justified for the present in refrain ing from fulfilling what he conceived to be a duty ' and bringing the state of Ireland before the House. But whenever it should be done, whe ther by his Majesty's Government or by others, he hoped that if penal laWs or increased powers Should be found necessary, however guarded by law, still they would not assume the shape of penal enactments, but one more - congenial to the hopes and feelings of Statesmen legislating for that country. On the points communicated by his Ma jesty concerning the differences between Russia and the Porte, the explanations given by the Noble Mover, and the meaning affixed to that part of his Address, relieved him (the Marquis Of Lansdowne) - from the necessity of offeringany Observations: Ile felt with the Noble Earl, that in a contest between ChriStians and Infidels, be tween the Greeks and their oppressors, fin they Wad been oppressed, there could be but one senti •nient in every honourable, liberal, Christian-like, • British Statesman. He also agreed with him, that it was not by a direct interference that the great object in view could be attained ; but he 'could not repress a wish, and he scorned to dis guise it,. that Greece might once more be indepen • dent. On all these grounds he should give his assent to the Address of the Noble Earl. The Earl of LIVERPOOL said, that much which had fallen from the Noble Marquis did not call 'Ter any explanation - on his part. The Noble 'Marquis, hoWever, in alluding to that part of ;his Majesty's Speech which stated that consider able reductions' had been effected in the public establishments, had made it appear that this was the first year in which a system of reduction and of economy had been adopted. This was not the case. In the last year retrenchments to the amount of between one and two millions had taken place in the Establishment of the country. Ever since the dose of the war it had been openly slated 'to the House that many reductions might be Made in the military establishment, bUt that from their nature they could only be rarried ' into effect gradually. When those of the last • Year • had been Made, the hope of more had . distinctly been held out. Whether their ex- . tent would satisfy the Noble Marquis or 'first; it was 'impossible for him to • know ; but their Lordship's Would have an onpoilunity • of judging When 'the Estimates should be laid PefOre the House. He wished, however, to gnard their against the idea that any partieular ' class had been Visited, if not with harshness, at 'least with strict justice ; and he "eh:tined the ie.' ifUlgenCe of their Lord Ships to wait till the 411ole scheme was before them. They would th'im' find 'that those who had advised the appli 'oatiei of the principle of economy to their in feriors, were not 'less willing tO- submit to it •theroselves. ' This, however, was not the time shett . he could 'enter at large into tire subject. •As to the expediency of foOking at the establish itientS, and making every predicable reduction, •it was admitted ; but be. must not allow the 'House to fall into the delusion that any reduc lion of that sort could offeredrisiderable relief to agriculture. Retrenchment might be right in it -141f, arid distresS might be an additional reason for "inaking"reductions, but it would be vain for Par- Lenient to au ppoSe that effective relief would en sue. -0-feat.); --He agreed that Agriculture must 'always-'considered 'As the first interest. of 'the country,' and that if the prosperity pf trade "and - MantiPacture4 rested on a solid foundation, it not': last for d.considerable- time without beitefiting agriculture. Those would be short •Sigfited'ACWS," whioh.would mike commerce ;and 'manuractures 'pay for the relief of agrictiltare, , and nothing could lead to the support of public .credit which was not beneficial to the Agricul tural interest.—The Noble, Marquis had alluded to the dan,ger of excessive speculation. That was certainly an evil.; but it onght not to be lost sight of that merchants and manufacturers wore now. contending with ',more moderate _. profits. That species :of gambling which ' necessarily sprung up during the liar,-and which had reached an unexampled height during the last contest, had now ceased ; and if the profits of trade were not so great, at least they were more solid, and might be considered more substantial. The Noble Marquis had asserted that it had been pro posed issue a to loan of live minibus. No such pro position had ever been made. He admitted that his Majesty's Government had taken it into serious consideration whether some measure might not be adopted to alleviate the present distress. And he.had no, difficulty in saying, that a proposition to afford relief by means of Exchequer Bills, was under views and might still in some shape or other be submitted to Parliament. But in this, he did not conceive that he' had deviated from the opinions which he had always professed on the subject of agricultural distress. He contend ed that the question was governed in its main character and features by a question of supply and demand. Out of the state of that any deli ; Cienicy or superabundance must arise. It had been said that the great importation of corn in 1816 and 1817 .was the original cause of the disc tress of farmers; but if 'it was the cause at the time, he could not see how the distress could go oo increasing when that importation had ceased. It was certain that in five years seven millioni and a half of quarters of all kinds of grain •had been imported into the country, but in the last four years only one million and an half had been introduced. This had led to a great degree of production, which it was impossible should not have some effect. It also sometimes happened that where there was a natural evil, there might be an artificial evil added to it. There was an artificial depression in the market which was not accounted for by the state of the pro duce. The issue of Exchequer Bills had been tried in former years for the relief of trade, and though he admitted that the principle was not good, yet the object had been obtained,- not only without any public loss; but every shilling of in terest on the money advanced had been paid.— He was not insensible to the difference which might arise in the application of that remedy to agriculture, but the principle was the same. He now came to the state of' Ireland. In commu nications received from the Irish Government, Which lie would lay on - the table. this evening , before the House separated, and as the corre spondence would be in the hands of their Lord ships to-morrow, it was the intention of his Ma jesty's Government 'immediately to propose arming the Administration of Ireland with additional powers. With respect to these powers he wished to state, that they should be confined in their duration to the present session, in order that the subject might come fully before Parliament a second time ere it close' Ministers would not do their duty towards the Government and the peaceable part of the people of that country, if they lost any time in granting those powers ne cessaiv to secure their lives and t& put down the spirit of outrage and insurrection. He could assure their Lordsluips that the Noble Individual at the head of the Irish Government was direct inss all the faculties of his powerful mind to probe all those evils to the bottom, and to ascertain the most effective remedies. lie agreed with the Noble Marquis that whatever measures Should be adopted should not be penal measures alone.,: The whole state of Ireland ought to he looked into for the purpose of putting down rebellion and insurrection. Those insurrections ,had be gun before his Majesty had quitted the shores of that, country, but he could testify that never had any Sovereign in any period of the world met with a warmer reception from his subjects. 'lt was. .not mere - acclamdtions ' that foimed his welcome, but the universal breaking .forth of -heartfelt affection. Not long ago he had seen a letter from a distinguished in dividual in Ireland, who said that notwithstand ing the outrages then taking place, if the King were to arrive at Limerick, he would be r e - ; ceiVed by the people With the some zeal and ac-' claniations as laSt year. "In all the grievance's of uhich they complained, in all the Proclamations issoed, no symptoms had ever been seen that :looked like dissatisfaction towards 'the Govern ment, as a Government, or that ,even assumed, except in one or two trifling instances, a religious colouring - . Those disturbances had never borne any prominent feature. . What were the recent evils, did they net lie deeper ? Did they not lie in circumstances connected with the state of so ciety in that country, and not in those bettieen the Government and the governed ? it . had been for ages unlike that of any other country, and Whether any effectual remedy could now be ap plied he did not know ; but lie should be sorry' to propose one on the principle of ' . a penal mea sure. Penal it must unfortunately he'• but to at) , to the bottom of the evil was the object. There was no other part on which he thOnght it neces sal to detain their Lordship, and the more so as there was no difference of opinion with re spect to the policy adopted in the relations of the Country with Foreign Powers. , The EaA of BLESINTON said, , he was desirous of - making a few observatiOns ' more particularly with respect to the present state of Ireland. The Noble Earl had contradicted the rumour respecting the intention of his Majesty's Govern ment to issue 5,00,900 of. ExChequer Bills.in aid of the agri chlturists. It would, iiowever, appear that the Noble Marquis was not the only person who received such• information. - The rumour ILO civadated widely. It. could. not bo denied, that the, Noble Earl, in offering relief where 'securitycould not be given . , might do more inju r y th an goo d. Ile f e l t o bli ge d to the Noble Marquis for, relieving hiin from the burthen. The Noble Earl was forced to.relinquish his intention of bringing it on last Session, not as some of the Journals published, be cause no one 'would listen to him, but because he could not get the information he solicited for.—ln case • the subject had been brought on, he .could have told the Noble Lords what would 'be the con Sequence of delay in the application of measures rendered necessary by the state of that unfortunate country. He could have told the House, as he. did in 181#), that disorder would happen. The Noble Earl did not wish to repeat the observations he made respecting the Union, bUt he: had always, conSidered it a 4,Trievance. He declared that to be• the impression.. on his mind in 1016 and in 1819. The Union, in the. Noble Earl's belief occasioned the libsence of those whose residence in Ireland wm so much required, and the absentees were the cause Of insubordination. Peace, in stead of bringing blessings, had brought tizsyair." But the,Noble Earl did not rise for the purpose of complaint.—llis.objqct was to express his thanks to the Noble I‘lttrquis who had so ally be friended Ireland. lie had - to congratulate his countrymen upon the prospect o . f having the st a te, a r a l i n t e rests of Ireland at last fairly brought under.the.consideration of Parliament. The a - ddre,.ss — was • then 'carried. di., and ordered to be presented to his Majesty. in the usual firm. THE . EARL OF SLIAFTESBIIitY. On the motion Of the Earl of LIVERPOOL; Lord Shaftes bury was re-•appointed Chairman of Comthittees. • PAPERS ON THE, STATE OF :IRELAND. The Earl of LIVFRPOOI, then laid upoa the table Dis patches received from -the Marquis Wellesley,• relating to .the state of Ireland.—The same were ordered to , be printed. . . At half-past seven the House adjourned. TIOUSE OF. COMMONS. The SPEAKER took the,Chair about two o'clock: The 'llouse was almost imniediately summoned by the Usher of the Black Rod, to attend his Majesty at the bar of the House of Lords. The Speaker accordingly left. the Chair, and with the,Members present proceeded to the:House of Lords. - ,NEW ;MEMBERS. The SPEAKER resumed the Chair at a few minutes befor4 four, and acquainted the House, that in obedience to the pro= visions of the Act for that purpose, in ,the 454th year of tht reign of his late, Majesty, he had, issued his, Warrants, direct/ ed to the Clerk of the Crown, for the issue of Wiits calling for the election of new Members of that HOuse for the following places, viz. :—ln Ireland for the county of. Louth, in the room of. the Right Honourable John Foster, created a Peer, by -the title of Lord Oriel ;—for Queen's County, in the room of the Right. Ilon. Wellesley Pole, created a Peer, by the title of Lord ..Idaryborough .—and for the County of Antrim,, in the room of Colonel Seymour, deceaSed ;—and in, England, for the UniverSity of Oxford, in the room of the Right Hon. Sir William Scott, created a Peer, .by the title of Lord Stowell ; for the Borough of Shaftes:A.:ll,.in the room of the Honourable Edward Harbord, who has succeeded to the title of Lord Safe ' field --for the County of Salcip; in the room of Coates; Esq . . deceased ;--for theßorough of King's Lynn,..in the room of Sir Martin Brown Folkes, Bart. deceased :—andfor theßo rough of Castle Rising, in the room of the Honourablee Cholmoncleley, commonly called the Earl of Rocksavage, whq has been called up to the House 'of Peers by the titleof'Lord _ , Newborough: . - The new Members for the above places then advanced to the table and we; a sworn. NEW WRITS. Several new WritS were moved for in consequence of the ac ceptance by different Members of offices under the Crown.— . There was much noise in the House while these Motions were making; and we therefore did not 'distinctly hear the name of, each place and Member. We heard Motions, however, for the following places :—For Droitwirh, in the room of Sir John Nichol!, Knt., who has accepted the Chiltern Hundreds ;—for: Montgomery, in the room of the Right Ilonourable C. W. W. Wynne, who has accepted the Presidency of the Board of Control ; —for St. Mawes, in the room of 1)r. Phillunore, who has accepted a CommissiOnership for the Affairs of India;—for Dumfries, in the room of Mr. Keith Donglai, whohas been appointed a Lord of the Admiralty ;—for the University of Oxford, in the room of the Right Honoura'ole Robert Peel, who is appointed his 'Majesty's Principal Secretary of State for the Home Department; —tor West Love, in the room of Mr.' . t4oulburn, appointed Chief Secretary for -Ireland ;—and for Carnarvon, in the moth of the Honourable Sir Charles Paget, appointed a•Lord of his i\lajestY's Bedchamber. _ CLANDESTINE OUTLAWRIES. The SPEAKER then infornied the HouSe that, according to custom, the Clerk had prepared a Bill forpreventing Clan destine Outlawries. • On the question being put that the Bill be read a first time, FUNERAL . OF THE QUEEN: - ;%Ir. BENNETT rose and said hg. thought it proper to give notice, - that the first time the Word Supply should be mentioned by his Majesty's Ministers, he should bring under the conside ration of the House the cinminstances attending the Funeral'of herlate Majesty. The Bill then went through some formal stages. SIR - R. WILSON'S DItz,;IIISSAL. Sir R. N\ ILSON,.seeing a Noble Marquis in his place, beg ged to intimate, that it Was his intention to move for the pro duction of a ?:,orrespondence Which had taken place in Sep tember last between his Royal llighncss the Duke of York, Lord Sidmouth, and himself. H e to know whether any objection would be made to the motion; as in that case he should feel it necessary to enter into a.statement in support of the I/lotion. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said, it was very un usual to interrogate any .3.lrtnber of the House as to the course he intended to pursue on amotion in prospect: He should not answer the question.- Sir R. WlLSON'assurecl the Noble Marquis, it was a re gard for the convenience of the House, r,lther . than . .for his own, which had inchiced him to .put . the question. Re therefore gave notice,' that on Tuesday next he should' move for .the 'Cor respondence he had mentioned. • PARLIAMENTARY REFORM. • Lord EBRINGTON gave notice, tciat he should, shortly after the Easter Recess, move for leai'e: to brim; in a 13111 rOr securing a more effectual Representation of the l'eople in Par hear,'and a laugh.) Ills ~i‘fAJESTY'S SPEECH. The SPEAIiEII begged to .acquaiitt 7 tKeflouse, that the House had attended at the Bar of the Lords; where they had heard his Majesty deliver :.most gracious speech - from the I Throne., With a ,view to convenience, he had obtained a copy of the speech, which he would read to the House. ' (The skcch itself will be found in oar RepOrt of the proceed ings in the lionsc.. of Lords.) Mr. ROBERT CLIVE then rose to move an humble Address to his Majesty, thanking him for the gracious Speech which - the House kld just heard. He should slot attempt to apologize to the House for presenting himself to their notice. Ho was aware that he should best discharge his .duty,.and entitle himself to the indulgence. of the House, by proceeding at once to those points which he intended to submit to the House, and upon which he. trusted their opinion would be unanimous. Upon the first point touched upon by his Majesty's Speech, there could, he appre hended, be no difference of. opinion whatever.— He meant the statement that his Majesty conti nued to receive assurances of a friendirAsposi , tion from Foreign Powers. While this 'country was in the enjoyment of all the blessings of peace, it .was the misfortune of some of the other Euro pean Powers to observe their tranquillity en tlangered. It would not he expected of him to enter into the full discussion of so import ant a subject indeed, .he should do little more than stare the simple fact. Turkey had been very properly considered an European coun try ; and therefore any change,- in her situa tion sliould be considered as affecting the gene-. ral interest. It was much to' be lamented that such subjects should • have a •tendency,to disturb the peace of Europe ; but it 'was a source of much gratification to know that other Powers were ac tuated by the same disposition to. conciliate as ourselves ; and that there was a reasonable pros . - pect of the 'adjustment of the differences bet Ween Turkey and Russia. It was pleasing in this re spect to obserye the present situation of this country. After a war in the course of which we had experienced unparalleled difficulties, and which difficulties had been met by the most laudable and successful exertions, we were blessed with peace ; and after having given inde pendence to other countries, we were in a situa tion to ensure its continuance, and contribute to the general repose of Europe. The voice of Par liament. ivould reach the extreme of European territory, and would, he trusted, have the effect Of healing, those animosities which threatened to disturb the general harmony. Referring -to the next passage in his Majesty's gracious Speech, he would observe, that upon the death of his late much-lamented Majesty, his present Majesty resolved to visit his foreign dominions ; but first to pay a visit. to Ireland. The loyal enthusiasm with which he had been received would never be effaced from the recollection of the illustrious person who was its object ; but subsequently a cloud had overspread that un happy country, and ,acts of violence of -a must atrocious description had been perpetrated. From the • description of persons with whom these violenCeS hid originatedo it would appear that they were connected with causes of merely a local and internal nature. The immediate cause was distress. It was impossible to doubt it ; and in endeavouring to find some'remedy for the evil, the House would have a consolation in reflecting, that the disturbances_ were distin guishable from all political and religious feel ing.—(Hear, hear !)—With respect to this un happy subject, he 'had no doubt the House would cordially co-operate with his - Majesty, and enable him to allay those disturbances.' The next topic to which he would beg the at tention of the House was, the satisfactory state - of the Revenue ; and he was sure the. house would be glad to learn, that economy, always so desir able, and especially at the -present moment— (Hear, hear, from the Opposition)—had been carried- into effect as much as possible, and had' produced a considerable reduction of the public expenditure. The weight which had -so long pressed upon. the commercial and manufacturing interests had considerably abated, and they .were restored, in-.a great measure, to . their original activity. However, he should leave this part of his Majesty's Speech in the able fiends of his lieu. Friend, who was fully conversant with the subject, and wife, if necessary, would treat it more in detail. Too true it was that in a most important branch of our national wealth much distress had prevailed for several months ; and it was here that he felt himself ,prevented from pursuing the same strain of- congratulations` through all the parts of his Majesty's Speech. —There was, there necessarily !nest be every disposition on the part of his Majesty's Ministers to afford relief to the suffering Agriculturists— (Cheert;—and it would be for Perliament to join them in an endeavour to proVide that relief. In looking at this ,subject,. it might-not be im proper to bear in mind the gradual iroprovement of the Revenue; arising, in a great degree,•from the Customs and Excise. These were-insepa rably .connected with the commercial and two factoring- interests ; and when it was observed that these had gradually recovered .from their difficulties, as it appeared from the advancing state of:the Revenue, he would not be thought too sanguine in believing that itnproveMetit would reach the agricultural branch before the end of the present year—(Hear, hear !)—Another, a most important point, remained, upon which he should say but a very few words, on account of its importance. It was by an adherence to our pub- lic credit that we had reached our proud eminence' as a nation ; and it-vas essential to our chary:- ter, he had almost said . to our very existence,l that we should honourably and conscientiously I preserve-that credit inviolate; and he hoped-that under no difficulty, no distress, or inconvenience whatever, would any man in that Thase.c von pro- pone to question its inviolability. In 'conclusion, he had only to thank the House for the kind at tention they had shewn him.—(Cheers.)—and to move the proposed Address to his Majesty. The Hon. Gentleman then moved the Address, n !deb, as usual, was merely an echo of the Speech. Mr. Dualcomec, in seconding the motion,'oh served, that as he was unaccustomed to address the Ilopae,he must request an extraordinary share of their iadulgence ; and if, therefore, - in the course' of the few observations he had to make, any thing should fall from him:tending. to provoke discussion or to disturb that unanimity which the -present occasion was so desirable, he trusted they would attriblite the circumstance to his in experience.—(Bear,' hear, hear !)—After the clear and able statement of his Honourable Friend he felt it to be unnecessary to go at-any length into the various points of his Majesty's Speech. On the first he was persuaded there could not be 'two opinions. We all remembered the disasters of war ; we had made many sacrifices to sustain it ; and we must be impressed with a conviction of the advantages of peace.—(Hear, hear!)--If, therefore, the present differences between - Russia and Turkey should be brought to an auiicable'ter mination they would all have reason to rejoice : for a disturbance in any one part of Europe neces- sarily caused uneasiness in the state of every other nation. It was matter of deep and general regret that his Majesty's visa to Ireland- had been so soon followed by outrage ; but while it was a satisfaction to know that that outrage was • not cooneeted ‘rith politics, he trusted it would-be put down effectually, not alone by a strict enforcement of the law, but by the aid of the spirit of conciliation. (clear.)—A fter slightly noticing the flourishing state of the Revenue and the improvement of the manufacturing and com mercial- branches of our wealth, the Honourable Member addressed himself to the question of the- agricultural distress. Into this important question it would not become him -to Otter at any length. The distress itself -was too clear not to be admitted; and it waS the desire of his Ma jesty'S Ministers not only to remove this distress, but to join ill any measure which could lessen the difficulty to which the agricultural interest was at present exposed. There were those who looked for a relief from this difficulty in a considerable reduction of the publiC expenditure.—(Cheers from the . Opposition.)But - he trusted those, warmly as they might advocate reduction, would not lose sight of 'the safety of the country in the efficient performance of the public business. It was gratifying to him - to have an op portunity of congratulating the House upon the almost entire disappearance of that spirit of dis affection which had prevailed some time since in the manufacturing districts, and which had given way to general tranquillity. Yet it required but a very superficial observer to see that there were those in the country whose aim was fao destroy the Constitution, against which they were carry ing on the most systematic attacks. , Many were the theoretical plans which were dis seminated among the humbler claSses. Some of those who circulated slid' opinions might err from ignoratice, hut -too many, were guP,tl from design. Yet he was persuaded thr': t the Constitution Would resist these attackl; for it. was a Constitution, firm in its base and beautiful in its structure. It was adapted Pf the convenience of all who lived under it, an d had thence deserved and obtained the approbv tion of all the civilized world. It might be a t ' tacked, hut attack gave it new vigour, and gav e ' increased reason for admiration: The Hon. Me e !' ber having declared that the Address had ins hearty support, sat down amid very general cheering. Sir F. BURDETT Baidthat-hdclid not feel himself calle d upon to make any comments upon'the ,Observations in - ade-bi s .the who s moved toe-Ad:rats o.foretincce nothing in these observations. in which he not perfect 4 agree- tie could not, however, say- .aanich . for the• sPee c ; of. the _lion. ;Member who seconded tiro add-raw e r for:she la, to complain, that towards the end' that lion.' tember - stilf . hintself to be led into a topic that was . foreign to :the . sidltieh':, and at :variance with the tone of the .former part 'd o lt: Speech, •as Well As with the tone •of tile, sithlreas itself. topic to' which he alluded, was the refeittnee madelar' c Hon. 'Gentleman to- the existence of-certain pers-ona air tt e eked' country who were said to be s till u p on th e a l e tt to t vantage . - of any thing to - attack the Constitution of' t " ,e . country., -Now this t h e (Sir 'Fr a nci s ) cons id ere d a hnest'u n , fortunate -topic at this partic u l ar time, w h e n th ere w as dal sons - leen goad reason for murmuring et - 'the overloaded 'cic' pelidi .0 oP'he country, and more partietilarly aethe iminenso military ;„ which could not be.justified upon any. gronh'd- - ; The 1-1 o : .. riaronet, in alluding z:) . the ' deplodabie e tatet 6 Greece, weald not ii dui it any hassh 'observations, lid could, with all his heart, wish'than'that territory' tent - Th - 1; tirely out of the Turkish posseedsion-L-(ileare hearolicar !) ] d ll .. wns firmly. of .opinion that the enSencipation - Of that deI:U .I Z from the tyrannicad- sway' of the ' Turks would tend to • universal - good ; 'and - he hoped, - fOr t bnirrefirof-the-we1 4 ,, , it ro!ght be liberated by the ghtrioas atrugglcs .of that li - a s ,"", • but e oppressed people.—(l fear, hear 1)--in proposing a n arrien" - ment to the' Address, he hoped he should 'net be considered' -actuated by.any motive of :disrespect to the 'rrhaone..Of 6 3 ! House. Nothing could be more respectful to the King m- t " alletieselves. a -notintig could.be,more.reaaonable' in• itself, than that the House should well: consider, and fully . . and entirely O; derstand the- subject brought before them,: before they vp nr_,7 to offer an opinion, or give their vote on it. This was the r . , form practice-of their Lia ancestors. It-was the custom• with the' forefathers to hear the Speech- from the Thrbne, and then t° .adjourn the consideration Of it to a ihnireday, when theyaorl many of them as • were so disposed, would come clown to tba House, after con s id er i ng an d di gest i ug m a t ure l y t h e cliffs/ 0- topics', which .such adocumant was supposed to embrace.: atich.a practice they were. able to -understand,what they were w vote upon ; and they came down with their • minds fully PI: pared to compreltehd. and •to exatinne all its hearings. I d .was ; never coasidered in any way :disrespectful to , adjonr e the consideration of the Speech to another day.—(Hear, hear f )—Titishvas the -old.Pariiarnentetry custom. TheeSpe q ;', was read to • the House: on a previous evening; and. .on - evening on which the Address was to be moved, the Meal hers came down with their minds .sufticiently prepared If, ;rive their votes. Th a t W as th e . mode of.:pnseeecling. unit lately ; and he was a nxio us b eca u se h e th oug h t it the nius t expedient mode, as. well as the most :respeiatiii, that the }Ott should return to th a t wh o l esome ru l e . - For - was-.impossibw for any Honourable Member of that .Hothei to comprehend a, one reading, -and, as it were, in a moment, ail the various topics .which. his Majesty's aSpeech to his Itsaliament contained. lJ e could say for himself,' that his mind- was nut cahable 'of grasP" ing at once endless variety of .so. important and so solemn a document. He could ntit be,preautned 'to have- any previous knowledge of the COncents 'of that eipeeelt. 'He - did not • possess the power of divination,- ear,- hear - .could .he • cou l " down to.that.HQUS2 Speeche, if 'he ought be allowed - ri se ' exoreasion, ready cut and dry for the.occeition. The House 'vas calltd on for a :stfip!eping , approbation of measures which -tilt)'" had rat time to consider. 'Underthose circumstances he wou ld beg leave to propose :that his Majesty's Speeds - be taken int© consicteratioh on. the day -after to -mourn;'. With respect to th! Speech itself, he did not thi n k 'it comprehended's° much as rnigl t have,inen expected front so import-al - Ida doetunent. 'lt -was iiod asricultoral distress alone under which the country was labn,'.r ing. That distress wasueduestinoally very great, but there WO : many other gritnanceswhicii called aloud'for redress: there we at the very . time the most flagrant violations of tile Consh tution. The:distress Of the aerieulturiste, as well as the-other grievances under which every doss of the 'cominunity ws' pressed down, *ere the consequeetes of the Con duct of his Ma" teaty'a Ministers. The .. 4 .,linisters were flattering. the PLl . ',A ic with, the promi s e of retrenchment and economy t ; hut Were he/ performing that promise ?—(1-lear, hear !)—The 3linisteri .were bound to retrenehment. in the ver: first Speech of Majesty, on hid accession to the Throne. there was a r*Or.f4e of 'retrenchment - arat' corrion-.3( ease cases in nor e irenehment had yet been effected' - ef r: - .',renchairJs t Itud been frequently given; bt t had titAi'4itornise been yet practised ? The '.House of Cot .nuo:ic exinct something, more than 'those 'delusive promises.— (i oar, ,heier!)—T l) should not suffentlieMselves to he put off ose delusive pioinises of flituae-ratreochment: ail what that retrenchment was. 'The Ileuse Commons skoal a •be admitted 'to the Inowledete of' •thase, branches of the 0 - penditure in which the retrenchment 11ACI taken place .-- But the fact was, that they - and the Country w ere de luded, and CO reduction ithd yet taken pl,-.ee in the monstro us expenditure of the Useless -estercAishnientsdrepteup 31IniSte ll —(there, ,hear !)—A t time when NI in isters 'were trifl i 2g,: as it were, with the •expeaidittine of the country --w' the currency of the - country was ec.7 d rcciated in valoe, th‘o s they resolved add to- the expences of the Governinent, c spaiou .. 5 to in erease the salaries of its; ofiihers—((dear, • hear !)- 31 ' nisters thought paoper. to. inerease their own incomes and allow' ancesowhen the circulating: edium of the country was. terse" dated ; but when they were .re s toring the currency -tow nictattii. value, by cash payments, they said not a word °fre t :acing r own increased salaries-4 Hear. hear, hear l)—The Government were not ashamed of -introducing into that 110 08 a'Bill to increase their oven .aidowances.; but at a time . when 6° much was said ebout restating the esitreney—when saltine') w e il talked about the solvency of the Bank of .E-ngland,hot a lif°'l, was uttered by the Ministers on the .subject of reducing own overgrown salaries. There was zxo doubt about, the. solvePcf of the Bank, hot the'enrstion which. should have occupied the attention of Ministers w, Ls, whether tale country was in a 'situ"' den to bear the settgot r to cash ptesmenta. NO lliniste r : who had itiV feeliog, Who hail any regard Inc the peorile, wou ld or ought to have .effected <o serious -a measure Without !Lo"r." lug previously consiiit.red whetherthe country was able r e e l bear it. It was absurd to supreate that Ministers won, propose such a measure without considering the probable result. He had n 6 hesitation in aayihg that if they We r ' aware of the consequences of that measure, they were tT I ; most unworthy Ministers. The return to cash payine iz was attended with the worst effects, and it was tit it thae n)ost people ascribed the 'present - oveawheiming distresses the country.- If the sufferings of the' . people wire then be ascribed to that Cause, the Mihisters were the anthill; and were aecountable for 'the recent.—( II eae, hear respect to the other points advetti.o .to in the Sp:cell, he would not trouble the. 11:iess trisny observations. li e could not, however, pass over de: allusion in the Speech the state of Ireland. How could the unfortunate state 0 1 1 that country be viewed without feelings of the most. paint - '' regret and s.alicitude for the satfferings of that pho - ple ? government of that country for ages past had' at. hire :'l ''de; duce(' the greatest misery, : any taintbt.yontt which a ~V itY P C : in human nature to endure.- that e was. thn h cooatitian majority. • - YO'that countrYdlao prontinea were. metric t , s7 deceive, and hopes given ohly to ch.'s:Tendon What ditt Union promise ? .Yet whet did that watasure perform for f.;,e' land ? Without contributing. to the advaneemeat of Fenniodio it injured Ireland. The Hoe. MeniSer who seconded the dread, indeed,. was induced to hope that the liresent laws, astii•.:,, ed by conciliation, would re s to re t ran q u ill i ty a nd happiness -hi: that country. He (ah;ia.F, Burdett) wished a . system ni toy e effective conciliation had taken place in th a t unhappy man" sooner, by the admission of the people to their share )11 nefits of the Constitution—(Henr, hear !)—Tice tithe t lysetaro- 1 ,7" Ireland was the prolific source of oppression to the people - 7 that country. The Revenue of Ireland, before the laht; was more than sufficient. for her own expenditure. `?,n the Union she brought nothing to, England, and was lira sunk deep in debt. Look to the state of Ireland in 1782. land had then an organ by which she could make her grievltn be heard. In 170 o also, she had a surplus of Revenue borsht ) her expenditure. There was then a surplus of 1,00004 1 t her Treasury beyond her debt. But what was. condo. s "*" of Ireltind since? With an industrious, ingenious, and ettert he i tic population, she was stank tedthe very lowest pitch ti.,'Wratw'7.„ edness. It was most certainly not the fault of the Stifferil people ;—it was in the system of l a ws a nd gevernMent that country. It was absurd to say the people were ft was well known that most of the hard labour of England performed by persons from Ireland, and thdt even often at " risk of starving here for. want of employment, in hope which they were induced to come over. • Another source °„ misfortune in that country was her stilLs. _ ing to put them down the greatest c ruelties were aotnetiOt.% committed,. as might be seen from the excellent obserandti contained in Mr. Chichester's book. The state of the L:l'•;!' Laws was another grievance under which thaC country Sc II pi C d. )0 i lib er ~. IVc .eCt ref PA L t (F th hi w. ,11,1 • w; di