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soother circumstance in the Revenues of the present year m..rerial for observation. It was, that in the Accra:Tits, so tar •as they could be made up, of the produce of Irish Revenue in the present year, there %yeas a deficit from the nroduce of the last year, coin paring similar periods, of somethitlg between 2 and 3-eo,oool. so, that judging from present prospeas, there was every reason to believe, that so far from producing a surplus over the expenditure, the pro doee of the Irish Revenue for therpussent year would he as a blank sheet'of parranOt shewingone shilling towards the quota of Ireland, in the common ex. le'naliture of the. Empire. In. a situation so truly la l mentahle and alarming, with an e enormous and growing increase of debt—a rapid falling off of re. venue—a decay of commerce and manufactures-- he came now to speak, of the last Means left for rneeting•the difficulty ; and he would appeal to the Gentlemen of Ireland (in the hearing of so many of whom he was glad of the opportunity of expressing 11;s sentiments at this moment), whether it was-not the fairest and most manly principle to look the miscliief in the face, and boldly to meet the public exigency of the Country, by raising at once addi tinnal Taxes adequate to the Public Expenditure; in such a say, however, as not to distress the Mann faaures cf the Country, or to press painfully on the feelings of the middling and lower orders of the: People, add at •the same tithe to render the col leetion of the Revenues in Ireland efficient, as they ought to be, but which many Gentlemen who heard him, very well knew they were not, by which means thepuNic exigency would he met with as much ef lea, and as little new burthen, as was prafticable. The branch of Revenue in which the principal hur. then of non-eiredive colleetion lay, was in the Dis tillery of the Country, by the vast number of private Distilleries, which wholly eluded the King's Duties, greatly to the injury of the fair trader, as well as to the fraud of the Revenue; but unless the Coun. try Gentlemen of Ireland would aid the Govern ment of the Country, in this purpose of rendering the Revenues of the Country efficient in their col leetion, with ail their vigilance and influence; un. less they would in good earnest set their shoulders to the wheel, the consequences must fall heavily on themselves, and it would become the duty of the . CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, whnever he might he, at no very distant day, to propose Taxes upon their own Landed Property, for there would be no other means of going on. Mr. FOSTER then proceeded to shew, that the Expence of Colleaing the Revenue of Ireland•was increased in proportion to its amourit, from rol. per cent. in the year /890, to above 131. per cent. in the last year!-- . There was another consderation on which it was very material for the Committee to be informed, namely, the Balances in the hands of the ColleCtors of the Ri!venue in Ireland, compared with a similar Lem in the Returns of this Country. In England, with her enormous Revenue, the last Accounts shew the Balaece' in the hands of the ColleEtors to be but 30,0 - of. whereas, by the last Irish Returns, on a similar bead, the Balance in the hands of Colleaors now in Office, .appeared to be 600,0001. ; and to prove that this was not a matter of recent incident, but one of rapid growth and increase, he stated from a similar Account in 1803, it appeared to be 0 3 ,0001. and in last year 505,1001. How it hap. pened he was at a loss to account, but firmly per suaded he was, that such a Balance ought . not to be left in the hands of any set of Collet - tors Whatever, more especially when the pressing exigencies of the ,COuntry were considered. This Account, how .ever, only related to ColleClors existing in Office ; but if he looked to , the Arrears of Colledors -dismissed, it would appear -that very large Ar rears were then due also, namely, to the amount of r 20,0001. which, though it might be sued for at Lose, was very doubtful of recovery.— ' Under-the head Of &amps, though the whole amount of the Rev 7' nue wets stated at 18z,000l. the balance in the ha' ds of Coliefters was stated to be E 6,0001. though the Stamp-Office, where the money is all re_ . ceived e is in the City of Dublin. In the Post_ Office, ;Aso in Dublin, the balance in the hands of Collreisets, in 1803, was stated to 'be 15,6001. though the amount of its Revenue is stated at only 250,0001. alai by the last returns there appeared 1 ba'arce with the ColleCters of 22,9001. He was fer iromrs.as;og- all tiaost. balances were solvent ; he was stire groat part of them were the reverse. But theiSul: he had oriecipally to find was with the Tr 'astir , / Peeir(l, in not tailing in those balances in time. That every thing nraeticable might he effeEted to econemise 'he public expenditure, and make it square with t!;e public iueoine, he meant, at a future day , to, move far a Committee to be established in this k.uniry, crop mitred to examine upon oath, tounhing every. item of the Public Accounts of l e ,aland that , hill be brought torward,• when any &ao whomever shall arise. Not wishing to trespass fat:Len on the time and attention of the Committee, he :voted now propose to state the increased Taxes he had in contemplation, viz. Per &I.: LT an illcrease - on the ti,se,..l Duties ci French Wina k • 97 Port \V isle - 65 I.A . Acititra , , 7 , IL itentsh ,_ 6a All utile.; Wir;zr. ha O 0 o - !6 7 0 2 9 9 4 - 24 0 0 Which, upon an average of 1 1 , - ,e Lnports of the last seven years, would protluc e9,c001. or, according to those of last year, tz,o,cpol.; but he took it at the former sum. 4 rAx cn Malt of per barrel, which ts. 5 .1 . more than the present duty, and B.t. her barrel less than is paid in England, 'which he estimated t. produce 63.7501. 'The next was a Tax on Teas. The present duties are in Ireland, Blac per ccut. 251. all others 421. 7s. HC therefore pro. posed to d, übte the present duty on both Teas, which be est:mated to produce 18o,o0Pl• The next was an additional Tax. on Tobacco, di 4.d.per pound over the prekent duty of: ;s. rd. which, uphn an a ve rage of the last three years, would . produce tz,pool. .The newt was an advance of the present duty onlume.tn , de Spirits, froin its proent rate of 3,, 9ie. per gallon to 4.5. 'hit; would make 4.1,0001, 'inc tie„ was an equalization of the Boglr'Duties, n,Hch a been otruurd , :in, the Budget ut the-last tr, %high, id, per cwt. Fr)» duce of g., on Ittfincti 33oo1". '1 h: next TAX was :Starnp•Pury upon Aftidayos . be. re tieo .VCer rthrite to 'ffii ;is i'aseatintots y 411:and juries ; to be laid in the same manner as on Banktri' Not es ,and not by cmrii , osition, of which, however, O tt ' produce would not be very large. The next was a Stamp Tax on Registering' F . :eel:olds, which, though it might be considered a delicate sul'jv't, yet he dirt not see why it should not contribire to the public exigency, 30001. The next Tax he would propose was a revival of the 6 per Cent. Daiies, formerly .payable by Retail Importers in Ireland, and cheer fully paid for a long series of years without a mur mur ; 'and this he estimated at 80001. The next was a Stamp Doty upon Permits on the conveyance of Exciseable Commodities from place tip place, from 2d. - to is. according to the value of the goods . so conveyed : this would afford a gr:od check upon the fraudulent use of Permits, and be produCtive but he did nJt es:imare the 'Finn. The next was c regulation on the Distilleries, by increasing the .. number of Working days, by which a vast quantity of home 7 made Spirits would pay duty, which would . otherwise elude it. These were the whole of the - Taxes he had for the present to propose ; but he had to add a measure of regulation, which would notonly he produaive to the Revenue, but lay the founda tion of another, which it Was extremely desirable to establish ; namely, an equalization betweet'i the Current Monies of the two Countries : to this end he should propose that all the Irish 'Duties, internal and external, be paid to their amount in British Money : this he estimated at 290,0001. Taking then the whole together, he estimated the Produce by increased• TaxeS £.353,000 By Regulation 4•o;oco Making an increase of )C• i,25.3,00 upon a Country, certainly not at this moment in an improving state of prosperity ; yet he was happy in making the statement in the hearing of many of the Representatives_ of Ireland, with the aid of whose zealous co-operation, he trusted the Country would prove well able to beat her quota in the expendi ture of that . Empire with which she was now be. come one. He next proceeded to observe,. that ,al though the Union with Ireland had been now four years in operation, and though Committees had been appointed to investigate the joint accounts be. iween the two Countries, ye to this hour no balance had been struck, to shew how the Countries had been going on, or whether Ireland was paying more or less than her quota to the common expence. .But though the short remnant of the Session might not afford opportunity to produce any satisfadory result upon this head, he hoped, by the commencement of the next, to have the Accounts in such a state of,for wardness as to be able to shew a clear statement, and in the interim, he trusted, a given time in the Session would be settled, for bringing forward the Irish 'business, so that the Members fin that Country might have an opportunity and timely notice'fbr at tendance. He then proceeded to , move the first Resolution, when Mr. CORRY said, it was by no means his in tention to throw any impedineetit whatever in the way of the Right Hon. Gentleman, or in any de gree to obstruet the carrying on time business for Ireland. Without, therefore, folloWing the Right Hon. Gentleman in the Staoement he had made, he should merely trespass upon the HouSe with one or two observations, for which he hoped the rather to be excused, because they were intended as a justifi cation of other persons, and not of himself. The Right Hon. Gentleman had stated, that the Revenue of Ireland was not well colleaed. :This was a faCt with which he was perfedly well acquainted, and he admitted that he had not made a broad statement of it to the House, as the Right Hon. Gentleman bad done. He had not done so, because he did not conceive that it was necessary, and he would state the reason why.—There did now subsist in the Go vernment of Ireland powers sufficient to enforce the better ., colleaion of the Revenue ; it had not only ,the power but the inclination, and he undertook to state positively, that , considerable. exertions had been made, and were at that moment mak ing, to attain this most desirable end. He then adverted to the Right Honourable Gentleman who fills the Office of . Chief Secretary for Ire land, who had, he said, during the short time that he had beets in that Country, exerted himself very much, and with very great SUCC'I ,, for this purpose. He thought it right to say thus much in justifica. tion of his own condud, and of that of the Executive Government of Ireland. He was glad, however, that the Right Hon. Gentleman had turned his at. tension to the -subjea, because he supposed it was intended to follow it up with some parliamentary provisions. With regard to what had been said about the joint Account between the two Countries, be begged to observe, that such an account must obviously, from its niture, be very voluminous.— With regard to the Irish part of the Account, the money having been expended within Ireland, the Account was certainly made up with compara tively less difficulty. But with respea to the other part of the Account,•as Ale expences were in. curred in every part of the British Empire, or, in other words, in every part of the globle, very' great difficulties had undoubtedly occurred. He begged leave to appeal to an Hon: Gentleman at the other end of the House, ho he was sure would concur with him in saying, that the greatest exec. tions had been made to prepare those Accounts, and that a very considerable progress bad been made in With regard to what had been said about large sums being left in the hands of the Collators, he begged to . state, that it to as absolutely, neces sary to do so to a very great extent., because the Army and Yeomanry were paid: throughout Ireland by drafts upon the Colleaors ; it was therefore ab. solurely necessary that funds should be left in their hands for that purpose. The Right Hon. Gentle man had noticed what he conceived to be an omis sion, respediug the Sugar Duties, which he had stated ought to !laic been equal in the two Coun tries. It was true, that in the Colony Compact there was a stipulation to that effed, but that Compaa was entirely done away by the Union. He would not, as he had before said, follow the Right Hon. Gen tleman through the general statement he had made, but he confessed he was afraid that the Right Hon. Gentleman would meet with mere difficulties in the eXectition . of his plan than t he seemed at present to lac aware of. * w(..)STE /Z.Flici a few.wordsin alhAon to the pelted' of Lord :Etictz:NctiAm'3 Administration ICI beiaod when :I'-:Iloy;r1 LlTrottp had been the Means of reducing the Balane7 then in the handf of defaulting Colleftors, from 4.00,0001. to one-half the amount, in a very short time. _ . 111 r; .FI? ANC 18 said,;that with resp,:d to the Propositions brought forward to-night by the Right Honourable Gentleman, though he was I coniYincedyif any man had ability to render them effectual, he had ; yet, when he considered the wretched state of the Country, he was not sanguine enough to hope for his success, though he sincerely wined it. Mr. DAWSON objeaed to the proposed Duty on Stamps. He was disposed to throw no difficulty in the way in regard ‘to the-imposition on Wine, 'but he considered it necessary to increase that which was applied to Spirits, from a fit regard to the morals of the people. Sir J. NEWPORT,. Mr. STUART, and Mr. r•ON. SONBY, said a few words. Mr. LEE observed, that when the Debt of Ire land. should be in the ratio of two to seventeen, cOmpared with that of. England, there might he something like regularity . and consistency in the system of comparative Taxation between the two Countries. The several Resolutions being agreed to, the Re port was otdereLf to he received to-morrow, and the Bill to he committed on Friday. The: Scotch Additional Force Bill was next pro. seeded in by a Committee of the whole House. The SECRETARY AT WAR explained, that the ob. jeCt of the 13ii1 was to increase the Regular Forces by diminishing the Militia, and made some siridures on the several Clauses, which being read andagteed to, the Chair was resumed, and the House agreed to' re ceive the Report to-morrow. Mr. STURGES BOURNE brought up the Bill to prevent Counterfeiting Dollars, and other Coins. SLAVE TRADE. Mr. WILBERFORCE moved, that the House-to. morrow should proceed further in hearing CCunsel on the Slave Trade, General GAscoYNE said, he should objeet, unless there was full attendance.' Mr. WM. SMITH remarked, there was no end of the , objeaions of certain Genlemen to this mea sure ; first they proposed the admission of Counsel, and when admitted, they defer hearing them. Mr. - FULLIR hoped it was the intention of the House wholly to drop the matter this year ; there were 1000 Prisopers in Jamaica, and the agitation these discussions occasioned, was extremely dan gerous. The ATTORNEY GENERA;. sate, that the peril arose from indecision ; when the At should have passed the agitation , would subside. The SPEAKER having put the question, it was re. solved to hear Counsel to-morrow. CORN LAWS. The House then went into a Committee on the Bill for the alteration of the Corn Laws, Sir CHARLES BUNBURY in the Chair. Mr. WESTERN stated the, grounds on which the alteration was proposed in the Committee to which it was referred. He said, that since 179 r, when the Bounty was regulated,. matters were greatly changed ; that the charges in Agriculture had pro. digiously increased, and that labour was one.third dearer. The difference in the Poor Rates was ano. ther motive. In 5790, they were 2,129,0001.: in 1803, they were 5,128,0001. The alterations the Committee have recommended were put into the form of Resolutions,_ and it was recommended that the Bounty on the Importation of Grain and Flour should. be regulated by the average price in the twelve Maritime Counties of England, and the four Maritime Counties of Scotland. Mr. P ATIESQN entered much at large into the subjed of these Resolutions. He said that the argil.: ment drawn from the increased price of labour was only temporary in its application. The numerous en." closures, and the men at this titne employed in the public service, occasioned an accidenal increase, which, however, should not affed an'y permanent re gulation. He applied a similar principle to the pre sent magnitude of the Poor.rates, and of the price of Stock and Utensils. Grain was not the only objed, Pasture was a very in - iportant one ; and while we were enlarging the Bounty, we were enabling fo feigners to eat our Corn at a cheap rate, and render ing some of the most essential articles of subsistence dear in our own Country. He then supported this argument by calculation. Mutton, which was before at +d. was now at Bd. ; butter at 365. a firkin, was now at 685.; arid chFse had increased to the enor mous price of r cos. to t6oL, The Hon. Member then entered into a comparative view of the price of wheat for the last sa. years, and said, that the depression of the price implied in the Resolutions was not correct. He t• xt adverted to the miscon ception arising from the assertion, that within a few years 30,000,0001. had been paid for Corn im ported. The fad was, that in favourable years the exportation amounted to 600,0001. or 700,000!. in value. He explained that the increased popula tion, by occasioning a greater interior demand, had lessened the exportation. Our potteries in Stafford. shire, our steel manufadories, our immense cotton establit,oments, and our vast trading and commercial concerns in various ways, multiplied and . magnified since the year 1765, had found ample and profitable employment fur this increased population, so that the diminution of the export from this cause was not to be regretted. Sir JOHNWRoTTESLEY justified several of the Re solutions in the Report ; adverted to Ireland, as af. feted by them, and said, that, the object was not to make new laws, but merely to vary those already in existence. Mr. STANHOPE ohjeded to an average of all the districts becoming the criterion of the price of Export; and thought it should be regulated by the price of particular districts, for such distrids. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER did not think it necessary, in the present state of the question, to entei into any minute discussion. The point, however, last adverted to, deserved immediate notice. The general object was to equalize the price of Corn, and this was now more easily and more cotnpletely effeaed than at former periods. Within the last twenty years the great facility of communi cation by the canals, which intersected the whOle CoolltrYs was not to be forgotten ; and if Lanca- Shi`C) Of aay other County, rcquiled supply by this vast national improvement, it was to be readily afforded. No Gentleman could doubt that it was much preferable 'to supply a deficient Province by this expedient from the internal resources than iron foreign markets. On the plan adverted to, ofdiffereot ratios for the bounty in difft.rent districts, it might be the unfortunate effect, that we may be import ing in one distrid when we should be exporting in another. The design of these Regulations was, that scarcity should be avoided, and for this p-urpose i t was provided, that Corn should constantly ac q uire, such . a price as would be a sufficient encourag ement to promote its .growth. We had lately seen the .value at 1181. and this arose from the aeficiency ; ht4.thebest 'means. to avoid the dekeir waswasby'rieyer admitting this department 'avicidture CO remain without a sufficient .compensation. :Sir ,ROB E CZT 'DUX TON sail; tie growth of barley-world be stopped by the reducituo o f the price, and-that some 'indulgence should theref ore be given.to thisirtipOttant , connnoLlity. • . Mr. ,FULLER deemed it • impolitic to faro" 'grain at the expence of all the Other articles'ol-P2' duce of equal importance., Sir JOHN 1 V EIVPO s tated the quest i on .to he. by what meat* the Farmer. would receive a fair emolurnent? were C'orre6ily le would consider ..for himself whether F r „ ...c most advantageously d ev o te d to. , pattur e..orgr,a l ': c . and, rc., promote . his own interest, wo,P e j i l7c. - successiully to conduce to the interest?9jr thet • Mr.. Wm. SMItH said a . few words, diet the Resnintions were agreed to The House is , to be resolved into a Cuinalittee Supply on Friday.—Adjourned. and reporteu. ARg I V 61)4 0 MNI LS. Dug. Haraburgh z - - PRICE OF STOCKS, ES I$ DAY AT TwitLyE O'CLOCK. - 56 Ann. Sy s - j Om. Consols - THE SUN. SOLYM LSU x QUIS DICIAS AM AVD A• LONDON, riNE 21f 18C4* LAST night Mr. FosTer opened the Irish Budge' in the House of Com Mons. He drew rather an o' ^ favourable piaure of the state of the Finances °E °‘. , that Country, and pointed out the necessitY 1 making a very large addition to the Revenue °I Ireland, in order to ptit an end to the Pc 4tice pf annually making Loans in England, or at l egs very much to diminish the amount of their."'" 1 . 3 4° The additional sum which he proposes to is no less than one million ne to pounds. The Taxes will be.seen hy a iete re—e , o , out Parliamentary Proceedings. There is one sure which Mr. FOSTER, has proposed, We wh ich ' ee think, will be produaive of very great -a dvan f ta tu - r: two hundred thousana and thatis i that- all.. Taxes of3reland.or e in • 1- ) ;cies to be. paid in, Inglish Currency, wllic h t - " es t he adding something more than eight peee ent ' t : „ t of Revenue, will lead the way to the attaitrl— of that-most desirable objea, viz.. the assimilaticl. the Currency of the two. Countries. THr . iiokke of Party Spirit fias'appear o " - in greater-degree upon some recent occasions; 117° .. 11 0 - o ti f le ou p r xe b s i s s t ; o b r) u r it s d o is fi a t p t p a o s in re tm la c te n s t t s o et t l : o V r t - i : ci an u Y d Pet iona i° o d f . decency .with certain writers in the oft: ° ,ll to have broken through all bounds.ofconst i tt iriat/- ~ f endeavouted to. overthrow the desperate.Faelion, who have lately so out ijeji : t- r ed by the Crown. - 'ln the chief v ellic ': ;: g that:Party, after many, b ut insidious l'erl'n-00- relleetions respeeling the ex traordinarY eic : l ' Minister aPr ii._ -in i of BotiApARTE, the 0. made,of which followinct interroga"- t :: the intended application is ° r Vious : . " But would it he more surprizio.g char a desperate Minister should a'etbrone kis So've re.ilffi and, de faSo, abrogate the Hereditary than that a man of Corsica should, in less than ei ght ii become . 1 7 years from the time he first appeared, redirary EmPERoR of the greatest Empir e in t il l ur n trat v World ?" This most daring Da rra g h Is it to ought not to pass without due reprobation • dethrone" a Sovereign, to obey his commands at f time when many of his old servants have desert° their Master ? Is it to dethrone a Sovetei to. endeaiour to reconcile all Patties, at the, his most important and interesting crisis which t hi s Country ever beheld ? Is it to dethrone aSo ; as E e reign, after being disappointed .in this ,obs e to retain as many of his former servants as v 1 -r , best calculated to form an e ffi cient Ministry ?I s jr to dethrone a Sovereign, to form such a Milli ll' with merely the exception, of a man whose con- dud had occasioned his name to be struck from the list of Privy Councillors, and whose r ecent sen a e timents, delivered in a political club, fully l' r ''' ' that he is incorrigible ? Is it to'dethrone a S cig.e.. • er reign, to bring forward the 'very best Plan devised for the protedion of the Empire , and m a n ,af fully to bring it through all th e obstacles that ambitious Opposition could throw in i ts way? ugh condut9, on the contrary, shows to thew orl d ' I id l the most exemplary light, a Minister truly, 1 1 1, and truly patriotic ; a Minister who is undiBsl3)3,o when he is to dischargehis duty to h is Sovere '2 and his Country..