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differences in future, and report the matter, toge. O'er with their opinion thereupon, to the House— Agreed. He then moved, That the several Proceedings of the House in the last -Session of Parliament, upon • that subjeft, be referred to the said Committee.— , Ordered. SirtioriN•ANDEßsotcy brought urr the - Report of Mr. Aldermanßoydeir§,Lottery Bill ;—the Amend , ments were read and agreed to, and the Bill was orderd: td 14 - Mr. DRrasuir lirott A litsupo Report, ci lbeSuper intending M ,gistraie of the Police of Dublin, whirl being read, _lle mved-,=.That .lease be giver, td bring in a Bill to . provide for defraying the Ex: pence of preserving the Pnce of the City of Dub_ . lin.—Leave giveo. • Sir W. PULTILStrit moved for leave-to-bring in - a Bin.. fcr increaitng the Capital Of the Bank of Scotland.—Granted. The Bill for regulating•the age at which persons • are.to be aihnicted into Holy Orders in Ireland, was read a third time and passed upon the- motion of Doti& DIfICEN . AN: • Mr. CaRRY moved the Order :of the • Day - for gah'g into :41,Comtilittei: on the Irish Duties Bill. • Col. HUTCHINSON said, it was nOrhis inten- - • tion to oppose the Motion of :he Right Hon. Gentle man, but he cotrld not avoid making a feW onset_ vatinns .upon .the SChethile before the House. He was!willing to 'pay every tribute to the Right Kin. - Gentle/4)oi. - the Chancellor of the Exchequer af Ire.' land,, for the Candid and liberal manner in which he' had, cunduded himself upon this iiceation, - but lie was.sor.ry' . to find - that the 4. per cent. duty; , upon Irish Exports was- tobe cantinued upon every part of the Exports of Ireland. The .Right - Hon. Gen tleman had himself acknowledged, oh ! a former oc casion; that the `Provision Trade of Ireland was in a languishing copilitiOn, and he thoUght that was a sufficient, reason why it . should be exempt from the general export duty. , He then adverted to the tax upon leather, which, he said; had .been laid. on under an idea that it . could not exceed one penny tier pound, but in fart it was considerably more.--- * Another subje4.to which he i'viitted to - call the at. - tendon of the House, liecause it materially concerned' his Constituents, was the duty upon Foreign Her rings imported into Ireland. He did not inearn to propose that the duty should be taken off; 'hut he wished that a full drawback should be granted when. they ,were re.exported, .otherwise - the trade would be tbrown - inta foreign hands. He was anxious to press this subjeft upon the consideration of the House and the Right Hon. Gentleman, because it materially affe6ted the trade of the City he hid the honour to represent. Mr. CARR said, that with regard to the export tax upon, linen, considering it as,he did' as a War Tay., -he should certainly not oppose it; but - he wished the Right Hon. Gentleman to advert to oile circumstarce, which he considered as bearini bard: upon Ireland. By the Articles of Union, il there w as a surplus of any foreign artielein either Gr,eat Britain or Ireland, it might be exported to - the other with a full drawback of the duty : but if a' merchant in Ireland Wished to export tol)acco, for , instance, to England, he could only di) it in a ves sel of a certain size ; this appeared to him to he an impediment upon trade. With regard to the Win dow Tax, when it was laid on. in'lreland,' it - was always considered as a War T.x, tho Ugh now it was made a permanent one. Mr. .70IIN L4TUUCHE adverted to the state of the exchange between Great Britain and Ireland, and said it was a subjetl that called for the imme diate attention of Parliament. With regard to tile schedule before the house, the Right Hon. Gentle man had certainly attended with the utmost candour to the representations of the Merchants upon the subject'}, and in most instances their wishes: were complied with ; in others, however, they were not. There were two articles particularly upon which he thought a. reduClion of duty ought to' take place, and they were Foretn Oils and Foreign Hops, the latter be coneei%sed ought to be admitted to be im ported free of duty. . Sir JOHN NEWPORT also expressed his thanks to the . Right Hots. the CHANCELLOR of the EX ell mu* Ett for Ireland, for the attention:he bestow. ed upon -every suggestion or ohjetliOn that was made to him. But there were some points in which he still did not approve of this schedule. In the first place, he agreed with the Hon. G ent l e th an (Mr. HuTct-tiNsoN), with regard to what" he had said about the importation of foreign herrings ;- but the subjeft to which he wished princ i p a ll y to - a d vert , was the importation of the article of deals into Ire land. He was sorry to find there was an increased duty upon that article. The Peasantry of Ireland had of late expressed a wi,h to have their cottages s l ate d instead of thatch e d ; . t hi s disposition 1 e thought ought to be encouraged, because he knew that several v Wages were. actually forced into the Rebe.lion, by the threat of having their cottages burnt, which cculd he easily accomplished while they were covered with thatch. He therefore realty hoped that this duty would not-he increased. Mr. 'HAWTHORN approved of the Schedule in general, but wished merely to advert to the in creased duty on Grocers' Licences. He did not know" upon what ground that duty had been increased, a n d he did not think if it was persisted in that it would be produClive of any increase of Revenue. Mr. CURRY, after expressing the satisfaElion he felt at the approbation which had been expressed of his condo& by so many Members from that part of the United Kingdom, proceeded to answer the diffe rent objections which had been made. He said that though these duties were now to be voted with out limitation, they would of course be liable hereafter to revision, alteration, or repeal, and therefore he. hoped that no apprehension would be entertained upon the idea that these Taxes were to be suited permanently— . Another observation he wished to make-was, that all the Duties laid on in Ireland, to correspond with War duties 'laid Jan icl this Country, would of course cease as soon as the War ceased, and the duties were taken off in' this Country.. With regard to the Provision Trade' of fre land, it certainly did languish, but he hoped it was only for a time ; the faa was, that the War:deriind . _ had ceased arid•the Peace"..ddniand had not begun, which was a reason for a temporary diminution of the Trade; but he had no doubt but that would soon revive, particularly as there was a large Army maintained in Ireland and a' largi,:Fleet . dn'the Ce,,,t, and the consumption :of Provisions by them would at least cqmpensate for the ternporary degrease .of-_. the reign regard to the Drawbacks on Sugar, they certainly ought to be the same in both Countries, and if there were any instances in which frarrreanyeaniaralete-theyewere-recar-saY,--rerey-wcruld be rectified.—With'resped to . the Leather Trade, he . did not conceive that any reduat t on of the duty was nec'essary, because it-haddoritinued ro prosper; and he:believed rhOse who' Wert , engttged in it were per. feali Viii regard to the duty . upon ` 4 14 Importation of Foreign Herrings; lie could mit agree with the... Honourable. Gentleman that ought to ' - be, reMedl . the duty . : was an.tt . I..tndSr that . duty the trade creased, and he. was , sure it . would nut he denied that' Parlia.ettena'auil , Ato:adopt evet-y, means to en. courage Otir'oWn f,:hertes. With regard to to bacea,.. the 'reason vvhy-it could only be shippi..d on hoard' vessels Of .. becaUse it.was necessary, ; in order-to prevent • its .being smuggled into theelittie 'Creeks' and harbdurs . of Irelind in small vessels wilich•tlie Citstorn-hoUse cutter's could not follow. He thew - proceeded shortly to advert to tl'ie* other objections which had been made to the - schedele, bit! contended that, they were not .such as ought to induce the House to lower the duties. Mr. D4if 7 SONobjededstronglY.to the duty, on . the Export of. Linen. from.lreland, and said; he - Vtis sure that 40.11 a : measure would not have been: proposed in the Parliainent of Iteland e il it had emu, tinued to sit. • The I ,C:t the EXCIIEQUES..de_ fended the measure; staid said, be could. not See upon what principle of justice Irish Linens were to be jrnpertad free - of chity, while English Linens were to pay a duty of per cent. • Mr: . Groabi PoNSoarhY also opposed the duty on the Expot tof Linen; a ; Mr. .F ..STE R said, that without ente r i ng into, any detail upon the . Subjed, he Wished only to.state ,that they were by One Mt vesting a perpetual Re_ . venue in the Crown of '3l millions a year. But. this . was; not all, , - the was what was called the here; ditary Revenue of the Crown in Ireland, which it of without any 'Message or Aasentbeing . deliVered from the' Throne tipon the subject. Mr. PITT said, he certainly was not aware of the objeEtion which had been made by the. Right Hon. Gentleman who spoke last : He was not prepared now to give a decided opinion,tipon the subjeml, hut he was prepared to say, that upon such aitabjedion coMinefrom such a quarter, the House- .ought not to proted' Without very miqufery con.. sidering the subjed. If the Right Hon: Gentle... man was 'not mistaken in the ohjettion had made, -(and he shciuld be r;iirpriied indeed if, he were -- taken) it the Billenow - before the House wenCto produce,that effe . d, anti the:re si , , as no Message- : from, e•theCroWo to authorize that proceeding, it - was tin. doubtedly'it breath' of the proceedings and consti tution'of, Parliantent,- and one that ought nor, and he hoped aVotild not, be passed over lightly, , _ Mr;Coßky was about to proceed in farther-ex.' planation, .and tozadd some further arguments,.when he was interrupted - by' . Ali:: POSTER; wilovalled to order, saying, tifat by explanation he, understood that 'Member of • Partial:fent was to explain what to 'meant by what he hid 'already - said, 'ant nbt'What he was going to. say., , . „ The SPEAKER observed,, that if it was objed— edto, the Rig* HOn: Gentleman. - could nor be al lowed to go into argument upon a questidn to which he 7 had already spoken, withoUt . the siveiarleaiepf the House. • , • „ Mr. CORRY said, that for obvious reasons, and out of respea to the "Howie, he should certainly . 'confine him Self toluePlanation; and he very short what he had to say arose out of the observations of a Right Hon.' Qcntletnan, whom he never heard. without great resped. He should, however, state. how the matter stood. -The Civil List was granted, in Ireland in the 33d of the King, and these Provi.' sions which were now under discussion, were enaelL ed in lieu 'of those duties which subsisted before that time. His Majesty having given up the re., ceipts of his Revenue, the Hereditary Dues to: the Crown bad merged during, that time ;- but the right to them was. not disturbed, but was to revive in full . force at - the . expiration -of. the term for which . tbeCivil List was granted thus: it was, that from year to year the Hereditary Duties to the Crown remained' as it were in abeyance, during the continuance of this arrangement between 'the Crown and the Public, hut would reviveagain after the time had-elepired during which thq agree- . .trient was in force. This Bill was formed on the model of-other Bills which had passed from year•ta' year in' Ireland from that time, and this only to ien.. :der' permanent that system which had beeq adopted and annually passed in Ireland. The: right of the Crown necessarily revives when the period arrived' wby which the arrangement as at an end; nor was there the least intention to the contrary. Thus the case Stood on Constitutional principles. Now, certain. portion. of these duties Was g t an te d annua lly,.., some of Which were now inaertedin this Bill, whiCh ~, to be permaoent and a certain was proposedpro_ portion was omitted in this Bill, such as the Land. and Malt, that was an annual measure yet ; and with 'regard . to the other duties,, it. waa.ntopoSed 'that they should be permanent, and therwere,. the Consolidated Fund of Ireland, charged with the In terest of the National. Debt andalso the Civil List of His Majesty, and that of, the proportion which Ireland was. to bear. of its contribution it was bound to make to thepublic burthert-bythe Union, as well as:all the pensions, and other-Parliamentary p a y ments that 'were to" be . Made: He was not aware ahere was any thing in,this Bill, or that any thing would arise out of it, which would in any 'degree.. aired the Hereditary Revenues of. the Crown, lungef than they, are already by the consent of the Crown, and by agteement betweeer the Cross u and the Pub, lie' had been already pravided. FOSTER said, he 'should also make a short explanation, ofavhat be had said, and that he should do: by: way of: reply to xehate hadebeeo said by-the Right Hon. Gentleman. He had. just said, that on forming the Consolidated Fund. of. Ireland these Hereditary Revenues bad, been: given up by. His Majesty, by a gracious Message, desit ing that Parliament miklitlifing them to theeptililic, aide alai dispose of theniaiiParkatneet. should-think poper, and that in iieU of them the brown had a List;: Now;ethifigreernent could only be binding on the Crown (luting the existence of the Right in His Majesty. His Majesty had only 'a • life inte rest in -these-Hereditary - Reevemiese"iner -what to be the .effeo - of this Bill ? ,It :was that of a perpe tual disposal of these Hereditary. Revenues..of the blOWn, tint - only Cluring - HiS - MijairsTaiini,'VUr also during every reign, to eternity: He would ask,. if that Was Parliamentary ? He, would „ask,, Was it constitutional to divest -the - Cr'own'for - eiric of its. rights e virliout any cooseet.froin tho crown; without even so much as a Message from the:Crown r This was a point too clear to enterdargely int 4 it; and therefore he should . not trespass: any /or:gelletr. the patience of the House. • • • • . - Lard C ASTLEREAGH . said,•hehad pot had an oppoetooity. : of teading e thiS ILiil, .and he .had no means• olknowing what it contained he did . not apprehend it • would Barre the 'effeet stated by ,the! _Right Hon. Y .c.ienifernan, 'However, ,if the wards in - the Bill shock; be found to go further than His' Frieed appreheededethd, h a d stated,".i!. would ehe .for. the House ,toeconsidet, it, when .tlite clatises'-came 'The principle of the Bill was clear; Joist as the interest.' of. the CroWn was concerned, it was important ttetake•care that noe thing should find its way into it by inadvertency,: which . might ii4veth - teffeEt of disturbing the settle... , . thent. 'made. between the Crown and the-Parliament of 'lreland, on the. Hereditary Revenues and the • Civil List,l,as•it took plaee on the .33d ,of the King. Now how did it, stand? The Irish Parliament, after this agreement with ‘the.Clowo, provided that , the, duties giveWup CrOWn ShOuldbe..akplied . to the use of, the Publicfor,One year, and continued them from year ,to year; nntil they had been made perrnanent since . the :Union ; for the 'pradiee ofehe Parliament of irelatod,WaS di fYerierielteien that of Fow_ land in that respeil His Right klop.'Friendhad said, that 'on:poblit rotinds'it:•was'exPdienttliat : , these duties should continue in ,operation withoite fresh arrangement every .y=ear ; 'and this Bill was'onty to render perManenf,sduries which Were t'' . oteclaway: - hythe Parliameot of Ireland, ,annually, since the, , 33d year of the . present 'Reign, it was a' principle; l ;tact) Upon. by the Crown eifer . sinee ; nor 'was there, the . least idea that. its operation .should .eontinne. furolier thanduring the lite of the Monarch now. ern _ the Throne; it could not affea, the rights. of.,tte Crown afterwards. 1 1;m. the . Right Hon. Gentleman who spoke last said that it Weitild - be z e e in - oriration : during the succeeding ~Reigns:• W .he. , had ...not . . read'rhe Bill,. and therefore he could not say *hat . it contained, but'. if ie had Af l y, might so operate, that . ..provision .• might be tered, The surrender` of these -duties, by agree:e nieni . between -.the, Crown and . ..the 'Paeliaaneet: was absolute diiiing the life of his present Majestro and it 'Was . fo'i''the - Parliament to consider .wbether the appropriation - Of them should ,he pertnaneot,e,or - only -Irmrryear-ttryterrereHe ethought-that-on -sentilde principles of Revenue they-ought to be pertraneot; in . order . to to - the politic Creditor better security; than could attend .the passing of them to the 'pub..: lic use from year to year. He believed that .his Right Hon: Friend . would be able . to: . sitisfy 'chef jealUtis - Y . i.ir7h7 - 1171u - se that there - was pOiting - in this Ilia t o, ar e a' t he'.'interest 'of the Crown unia... - vourably; 'at least nothing tharcottld not be - alter-, ed to the satisfaction of the House in a Committee. Mr. RQcS'4 wished to knoW whether there was in: this Billany:specifiC - VroViSiOn titi . ihew that" the He reditary-Revenues of the Crown shall revert to the Crown, when that period shouhi occur when there was a demise . 'of the Crown? for if there was no such provisiOnir 41is Bill, he doubted very much, Whether the. Bill:should have dome into 'the House; at all ; and he. Was sure-thatif not, the' House ought 'not to go into. a Committee upon it, at least until a 'Message came- to the House from the Crown,' de-. , siring them to proceed upon such a measure. As to the Malt Duty in. Ireland, Which. was still an annual vote, he did pot know the amount 'Of .it 'so • as to be able- to -judge of- the check which- Parliament retained .in•that reaped upon the Executive Govern. ;pent, . by way of power' to, withhold . the Supplies. from year to year. If the Right Hon : Gentleman" cOuld:,satisfy the House. upoo, thes • e two points he . should be glad to heathim. . - Mr. C jRRY said, that accounts kepr of'the Hereditary Revenuerdistind friiireifie - otterse and he was informed - that' the -LaW Officers Ireland prepared a .clause.for the purpose 'of 'sieirig , the lights of the Crown . from every thing, exCeoo the operation of the agreement between iliC.Ctownapd the Parliament of Ireland, in the 33d of the Crown.. Whether the mode which had - hCee. adOpted for that: puipose etas such, .was not for-him to state.; .he knew that that principle had always been-pre serve d, : and had enderstood that : the, provisions were adecoaie for that.purpose..- That provisiop had always been - inserted in every Revenue Bill since the agreement had been entered into between the Ctown and. the .Parliament of Ireland * and he iook it for grarired that every thing would be adopted. by theHoieset that was necesslry for perfed - clearness'. ee This Bid - Was clearly of the form - o f t h e * former Bilis,. which contained a provision for saving the rights of the Crown. Here . he read the, provision. out of the Statute'Biiokein a former Ad of Parliament. [Mr. FOSTER asked if that provision was in die I. present Bilf?) - • Mr. CORRY said, he had' no doubt of it : the IrthiSewtiard . Cotisider how - 'it was prtliared:' He: had no doubt.it was correezt o though he had not had an opportunity of reading it ; it was sent to him • to the usual manner after it was drawn up by the Law Officers of the Crown. As to the amount of the Duties proposed 'to be voted permanently, and . those which were to be annual, the annual. was above one-tenth of the whole.. Mr. _CANNING said, that the. first question now. was not whether there was sucha clause as that which was alluded to by . the Right lion. Gentleman, but whether in fad, the . House could. do any thing fur ther without tnrther explanation, or whether indeed . the Right Hon."Gentletnark ought not to have been • reaeloo with his explanatioo before be eatne for rd with .his Bill ?, The next question was, If there Was not such a clause, what the'House should allow to be dofie,upou such a gross 'violation of form, and such.a :c Il substantial objection in principle, C.mstitutional praCtice of the House as occured in tl Bill ? He put it, to the 'Hon. Gentlemen who, s il l:, ported this most defeCtive Bill, whether they slwu t i , u , not think it more .decorous in them to ask kV to withdraw this defeCtive Bill, and ask leave °: present another less imperfea, as the best rnatin . .!, 4 , r4lticlf - ttiettotrittt lt - dre for IllirEtittcritigtird fra "l so essential - . 0 principle on which they had attempted to prat on in. the I-lu.use... ,It..was now allowed, he said, ~91 all'fiWt"cfs, that s 'ailiias a gross Osieriiihr:i.i - leas t ; anti he thought g4 , ing. into a COMmittel t;9o* f.tetifoutE to cure the. de-felt there, would'nut '._ per, because it wOuld riot sitfliCiently oftthe House dpon . a proCeeding so' glaringly , {e ' pugnant to its Rules, and . to. one of the most lIt'" •pyrrant-.principles, of: .the Constitution., ...'•': , - , iMr..,FOX , said,..rhat if -there was any founa4P ° , d r) inpoint of fat in the ohj'ektiOn; the House 0 6 w not cure it in 'a : Coininittee. because it could n ot ' atNordiag to arty rule of piaCtice or principle Pf t ' e isc orrslitation,rgo into'.a Committee at - all' uisbo. t h e 'Bill. - It was "hot in The • legal power of " 1 itl . c,us.l : to .proceed at all.,UPon'a .Bill 7 of f . this 1:- .( '' t without consent : here .there was no pretence 1113 mark. the s s° any. such consent was given: There coulkbe r ;: e d,..mht whateyer, that - the House'must nellit'e -t c. que,s,cion that the SI.:EA.K.ER do.DOW leave t le 0 1 " 1 , - „' for 0 - le House: onght,."-tO• wait at least-until , ("" CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, who broug htlll the Bill. knex what it contained, before , t hey Pr „, I ceeded to discuss it ; the Right Har. . G C.. 11 i i CI MI j il 111' 0 llid itaidly-a.sk the. House Until. h e hirnelf - 113 . had an.op'porettnity 'of reading it. - .- 1 it I .- .:::I\llr NT ,- S I 7 AITAR4 was proceeding' to speak, We -1 - wa s c , he inter rup:eo b y - ',..., 4 1 Mr, FOSTE:I?, who (' - tbjeCted to thafflom 14c h nl i c i : • lir. speaking* ,tipon, this question, because : he n"- gPii" l „*Fes 4 4Y-%; :.:,'';' -,:.. - ' 1.4 j.' . 1., The SPEAKER decided;tnat as it was Ohjev..e‘ it°' . 1- -the Hon; Grit trettrar COnlif i',or troA r iae - heard - :lc' c ar ‘ ... ill _ g m C r o ... i . '. l. k .'i: E til Y: "....9 ,s f .a':C i l ' :,••,.l -1 1 , ..r• -14'e. thought 7-.. ... .;;; : ColiS iti ' , 0 1' - t 111 1 :, i -slatitu . de had been given to dirfltigfit Hon. Ge n 1 man .who had sp(A - -O Lieforell; . ,. i - , i tha t 1 ; - "''-, • ''' !' s C . C!"` - ' „ e , Abc- • !•L i :%9-tr7'.noA7going ~.tfi. explatu„: bui - '40 , ;a 1 17 .- . I Hon. Genttern . an.-.u:as a ... Ile:1) 1 )1(4 lg - prOcied - c°, l , l , r ie j r r y ) to the rtices of &h ate, tncl'ltierau're le l4Peit properly stop!. ' r , .., ' • - • I 'ug '''i •••: 4 - 6 r .! - cf-lA - Ntglio R - cf . .tbe%-I,3OFitEsL • h i / ~.said, ...gar .his..HOn.,...i.riend had. iii*Al - -:.i.:OuisC 4).i. 1 - .1- ' 5. • , debate—, I „, .2 , - '. ' .-..- • •' • ' ~, „„ , ~.,„ , ..... ap ivi n. e. l e - ' 7 , :i lt o ii. r ni 'i.4. ,th ß ,l s . yke to order for that this Riall ! ` e Jeff.... , : . ..i. ; 1 , - , al]eadSr .. s , p ' okcri ti . P.. 0 .: 11 1. 1 . hi6 ,..- b .. l4: '''' ' ...0 l'• - I.lpcm - v:7ltich - lbf t•.- -- 2/I)DiNOTfY 'Aca4t4tr.,t 6ll : i. -- - • •, - 1 , -- ~ • • --- - i'r, wartritlf said, 6 I am: '01 : 11g - ‘ to`inA. -- t' a motion, , . ' pnd iu lhai () %a T ,t i i ie ht ca t i n ie i d o s t i ( s y t o o r 2 l6 l i lt a a g ee ,t e ih d i ,, p it .;.: ,tfiale ., !-- • ,•-• - , . • 1- Right Iftin„.Getirtletit an had spoken already. iti•:' /li , s .4 .7 !..liel - ate. -.- ':!- ', ~. : .-- . ,• - • !.- - Mr; - AbDINGTQTI' said lietdse for the ,P9.o' 0 maim° . a °non, and he. -Wia a$ itber ty he v „ fiG,' to . intrOtuct, 4hat ';'vvh•ith - hd- was 'ainut to s" ( J,,• „ e l. '`was desirotis'''there should be In'ts ditictili' w i ...,.." ( P;' 1 -- , —..........................,...„.„,•,..,.:,....1a5it ~, . a „,- ~ in going upon . rim ix i', 4,nt.. tat: no ne snot' n o tailed upon to pro ceed iii - ihe . disCussion, .of.thi',Y,, • „ A -, •- . • .. ana it,:xtratnt tee' wit non t knowing t i,illat'o4.Ct3r.niTe ?, ..' H of,iheßill were;. for that, reason he 6110,140' 118 ifr: .that .the, Mouse -should. ietiolv•citself into.a Cr: 7 . , ,?,s' . . iee,. of the'...W_hole .1-rAlq.'ni.itin' thi Bill- to::fli cic ,„ - ia ''' ~ 11 - ....0,.. aill. was, wisj,:dra,wn attogether, t'ne.te ‘ v ,t - t ,t; of course be an cod brit:;.Vrltertvise he sbo'i l ':d / e gative tlle.question;Of the ,S'illAittk leavi n g i ts Clair, :with a ; view to move:afterwards that `,.,, i te cli ß l i ati .l i l st,i b is: : : c i o iiii m s. : Ti n riTo i a t i t : e ii : :: _ . !? .... a_93 . 2 .. re .__ of the ' lll ' log Air.- FOX said, the. Right Hon. Gentl-emin' t (P to,be heard, on the groun d , 00 . ' he was gt,ing. to make a Motion, the• only gr otino .,o wh o ich h e .h a d an y righ t . to . speak a seclOnd ti i i i • , in the 'Debate ; thus .his claim was ailowed r it ,poi.. of order, and yet after all in poirt of :',,,, he'did not m a k e - any :notion, hut ni . lly gave e ; •. tire. of - a motion which he. i 0t . 5 ,,,i, : .d to inal‘. ll , • l and.. this was .attended wi th , , a ddi t i o fi-A irreg, r : i. I.iirkry ' ; .: t hj at h e now negatived', the question,..(i,,g the' . Sp -E AK ER leaving • the- . Chair, .. ,ha k' ' triter , ..... . „once spok..- for the Sr E,AI.: ER_ lear i rlg the C1 13 .' 1; . . 0 1 But l ie belieVT:d it wouldbe Lf.gre at u s e: to so ° 14' His' fyji,j;..stys.•Kiniter9.;:and- ~'particularly (0 :lie Right,,Hon . ..gentletrian„ if the}' c,uld chavie-4 • Rillds , of..the. House so - that.- they : t night no t „vo 'f...cha.nge'chir nii . nd4 . bUt b'' allowed - - i live's'; - - sts , ., Opl)Cslte;optilton's. in, one. rig ht , upon' one j ci' .. .in a' debate,, -.. . ' ... . - 1 • i Bill '..... Ph'". -- OR7V/S/W ‹.i'icr'• -• h -:I 1 - '' ii P i- •''., t at 'he tea:ye . T • rlo n Wa.s precisely on the same principle and cOn`Ti e tt las Bills wiiich . had . fornierly. Massed, the s u ' i) te ct i Of ",thesedntis. He. di - ,.l rtor, feel himself warf an yv ss - to seak,-on . tl.i.is i".ill, not - having reattit,si e i " c o . inz.toduce(linto:tht linoNe i all he knewwas , ("I't„ it ' !ilb,jeti to .which. it reforred,.was trn.decdisco6sto“ of :11:elafittt h , atp(-;ng•, the Ltw Ofileers ofthe Crow,oliis,. whonelLidilit h;an,)tir to he ore. He kr:ew die; ry . ensiioril'ad been7,on the subjea of the King's hereal i , fr , P . ,evettue ; peili,ys he,thight be out of ~order ii: : 7 10 . "tog / what he ,3,vas about ' to state, but he.vii" c o* J'' - dtA tv , t-t, - at tention _ of the i - louse to it. He , o ° 3 - ins' - IlleTCfatise`whieti had been inserted in oute r r ; Ili. :--tViolt this 5 ttbje.l, to shew that the Rig hts °' 4#' 4c , fa f a- CtAwn had al'wafs been' saved in them all, a! I', . , 0 , 0 relsted to the Here4iititry Revenues of the C r t o - , ~: revtirting after the ,termination of the agr ee i rri , e st l trCi+een the CtOWn and ti:e Public', in the ',3" ! to y' .. of the present reign. ..:',lt vas for the House - soto:to' er - whether, the words-in-this Clause ''''''e „re cent to save the Rights of the Crown ; he l i, by lier 4 ed illy were,' and it :had been so thoug (I tio t the:ciown Lawyers in Irela'nd. But whethcf,oo stlatise wits to be:found in the pre s ent Bib li e ,",it' riot undertake to say. The,Bill was in the hand', to , it:lg of . two or three persons, and. lie rook sir 3f ic ' ori himself that he had not read it since it Was' I ', t h:lc [ the Tableof - thatHouse, All he could say " It t ' t he the . 4111 which w'as ..considered and petweil j) , J ' ol r 3. . Crown.talsyers in Ireland, .of which she P ic l ' off , ' this to be a Copy had 'b een b y t h e m deco''' . ~,, cient to presere entire the rights of rite CO:d. t ilt Mr, Pli Al, PONSON BY said, he •beiev. o ., tod Bill :contained no such Clause as .that sclll o ,lirc'' ! been react by the Learned G-tntletnan out °I a'e to/ Act: of Parl Parliament. In a wor,:, he knew s " )f ro - • wit''' . to proceed upon this business, but that 0 " oo' drawing de present Bill to enact way . fo r 11 ...