The Sun. — London, England, 1853-08-13 00:00:00

NAlm"" it and ernan • ditto PIuID S 'pears' P eals ' mligl s ' Doll° 9 ' i _ots, straw' SPORTING NOTES. ENCOUNTERS AT EBOR. Th . The Great Northern gathering will commence on au e dnesday with a tt rac ti ons surpassingly powerful and teresting. Its programme contains twenty-five "events, ' among which upwards of thirteen hundred and fifty guineas will b e di stri b uted for compet i t i on . The abundant promise of sport too is likely to be ful nd in every particular the contests will be exciting 4[11 ! important, and speculation brisk and extensive. At ••• present the Ebor Handicap almost exclusively ?couples the thoughts and time of the betting brother nOod. ; and the movements in the Turf-market connected with it are watched with growing curiosity and interest. Itninours of "good things" are, as usual, rife and ad vertisin „ g prophets boldly proclaim their confidence in certainties at long shots," and their willingness 1 20 c ommunicate their valuable information for the small jmarge of half - a-crown and five per cent. on the winnings ! however, cannot " see into the middle of next week," an dhave no p retens i ons to prescience, or the g if t o f si ht and must therefore draw my conclusions fr om those argtiments which are suggested by public running and the proceedings of the cognoscenti. U ncertainty exists as to the numerical strength of the field for the Ebor Handicap. I have carefully examined that list of acceptances, and I am induced to believe t a ha t w t i h n e g starter will not muster more than a dozen rmpetitors. When the "muster roll " is called, the will, perhaps, be numbered among the mis- G in e g e :----Newminster, Robbie Noble, Little Harry, Bal zer, Mincovite, Father Thames, Lambton, Exact, Fa ncy Girl, Now-or-Never, Galvanism, Talfourd, Eulo fa, Babette Roger Thornton, The Surveyor, Dame Llan'forda, Coomburland Stathesmon, Anne -,,"za, Eliza, Incognita, Cabin Boy, Nava, St. Andrew. Before the day I may have " power to add to this etimber." pantomime, Cat's-paw, Adine, Lord Lieutenant, and p, n 6 of Trumps have almost engrossed speculation. -14 ° 12 oinie is backed with considerable spirit, his parti :rsans deeming- his easy victory over Adine at Brighton e c ent to justify the most sanguine confidence in his 13 • e• Adme will now encounter him on 51bs more but still terms than when they met at Brighton, .', l lt still it is argued, with a good show of reason, .z2l:t there Pantomime gave Adine a 51bs beating. sr the encounter under consideration, however, ine will carry 101b s l es s th a t a t Brighton, and de! reduction in her impost must be duly consi ovreller „st'stas exp er i ence t eac h es us th a t every poun d produces a telling effect. Still lam not pre tared to deny the formdableness of Pantomime's chance, lit wherever he figures in the encounter Adine will be close attendance. The confidence which is placed in Cat r s Paw appears, t o me , t o b e sca rcely wasranted ; his t 'ght is u n d en i a b ly favoura b le, b ut, i n my op i n i on , th e ns riee will militate materially against his success. to - " - Ing of Trumps belongs to a dangerous stable. He ° P os sesses sufficient racing merit 'to render him formidable opponent. Whether he is intended or . I til: am unable to determine, but should he "go for the mo ney," I shall expect him to figure prominently in A di for emast rank of competitors. Bis running with ti on u e is alone calculated to occasion sanguine expecta- D: o f his ability to achieve success. His stable corn °n, Red Li on , i s a l so favoura.'dy weighted, and his • b ee must ni t be deemed utterly insignificant. Should O r inon stration be made in his favour, I shall be in need to number him among my "select few." 1.46 Lor d Lieuten a nt has many confident supporters, and lightness of his AN e ght and the cleverness of his Pa an t i3' have caused him to be advanced to a conspicuous t'7 t icn in the betting. That he has "done things in r lrate " Safficient to justify the many investments that 4 `le been made on him is unquestionable. Ar iosto is ha n di ca pp e d a t a rac i n g weight, but, at Present no d i sposition has been evinced to " get on " "1, at adv antageous pr i ces. b i f i r cni the " ou t s id e di v i s i on " I se l ec t K i t e flyer and Turpin as being most worthy of notice. p F rom information I have received, to use the language „4 le Poli ce , I am i n d uce d t o l oo k ou t fo r " sweet P . B mark e t d ay ." als ..n enter into a further discussion of the comparative ti li n ces would - unnecessarily occupy space. The horses hat I shall select against the field are PANTOMIME, ADINE, and KING OF TRUMPS. - Lieutenant and Catspaw are next entitled to con -"oration. For a cockboat I shall take RED LION. rumour has just reached me respecting strange 8 0 - ,„' n gs in Dawson's stable. Should the report be true, tac'heictu-ious revelations respecting the agents of " Cap day,"B"reastrong" may be expected in the course of a few August 13. A FRESH MAN. MINING INTELLIGENCE. (From the Mining Journal of this day.) i n e Gold Mining Share Market this week, in sympathis- L e e W ith the genera l as pect of the Stock Exchange, has Ise e saner. Business has been far from active, but Ilerti 'sPosition perceptible to purchase the leading de- Th e °na, nearly all of which are, consequently, higher. - ex ception is Nouveau Monde Shares, which remain t e l 3 • this is to be' in a great measure attributed l'ep o ; e number of sellers, and the previous glaring cl f ' 2 , (none of which have been verified) put les,,' a u by the superintendent. The stocks of the p r ; . accredited adventures remain at a heavy de 4reiation. It has been reported during the week that of*• Calvert, w h ose geological researches in Australia f al luded t o l ate l y, has discovered gold in the granite t er :'ngland. The reduction of this he intends to at % P e t 1 ?3 , his new theory of electricity ; if this has a suc 141t1 Issue, Monday,is imossible to judge what results it will 1 ,, e ; On the favourable news, tending to iai i ;:tne solution of the Eastern question, caused some skiT b ' e ,vernent in this market, in sympathy with the gene Lisrunroved appearance of the Stock Exchange. 4 , 4 • Ka ] , ueugh only a moderate amount of business was Iveei r liaet ed in mining shares in the early part of this trab? the market improved towards the close, and an tiher action s took place in a great many dividend • d ti ot Share. Prices, however, with a few excep tlarlave ruled lower ; and the advance in Stray talc shave Frances, which we noticed as having n Place in our last, has not been maintained tl i ,nY shar e h o ld ers , t em pt e d by the rise, having forced qui shares on the market. A mong those most n cic,:i e d for have been Dolcoath, Condurrow, South Cara .lsl44,l(eswick, Devon Great Consols, Copper Hill, Downs, and Trefusis. Of low-priced speculative at ea a great m a ny are offered without finding buyers l a° y quotati on . 10 4 , 6 raiseellaneous shares the market has shown symp -14 improvement. 'Per tt ; th e metal market, notwithstanding the rise of 4 /. ilach s °n English block tin, announced in our last , that the: a firmness not only of that article, but banca, h e . " 74 oced rates are already demanded, and will have eea c i",ceeded t o ere purc h ases very extensive can be Plat /lu ed- This, with the reduction of stock in tin- Copper will tend to put them to a higher figure. 4 ta.aV a ..„ and l ea d ar e firm, and good business !Wei- - ;" 1 " 1:1 g in the former. The smelters, how -411 not advance the standard to the miner is (feat fair and liberal manner they might), and which toed need by rea s o n of the enhanced price of labour, 11 , 0 W l i', ll u consumable materials. The stock of spelter is 'orw, -41enally reduced in quantity,' and 221. paying for sta te I'd delivery. The iron market is in a very excited whi r ' P ar ticularly in pig-iron, both Welsh and Stafford ti.,.haae',l4 c onsequence of the present stock being less ‘Ay z , I l i e- half of what it was in May last. Pig-iron in the Peet ed. as advanced to 3/. 55., and higher rates are ex anti the All the ironmasters are in the market as buyers, 414 ba r er Y " There never was such times-." In rails the orc i 2 the demand considerably exceeds the make, and e°l4 l)let eta on hand will take eight or nine months to t he E i t; i e i : Even this period may be exteded, unless . `1,,-` 4l enes B 7! re go to work instead of prowling about in 41 0 g oo , " 3 the ultimate ruin of themselves and families. th u ever results from such ill-judged measures. ean e ullion Mark t —Mexican and South Ameri re°llara, 4 7 e s. 110. per oz. Bar Silver containing t a• ld • gold aboe standns inu r eh pound to be paid for, 8. li d. Per oz. rd. silver without gold, 4 t 4 4(1 04 . ci Per oz. standard. Bar gold, 775. 9d. per oz. Per Oz. Columbian doubloons, 765. 3d. to 765. 6d. ine cake silver, ss. 60. per oz. 077/ ' l ‘ ELECTION FOR THE OF EWE OF SHERIFF. the election held for )r ea ,.. ,.....,_ Hall was office of Sheriff at sAt a Common serve the of L a proper person to se and°l3 d jointly'with Alderman o f Mr. 0 of gh ,an , room e the T u e rlff of Middlesex in the bond to serve riztleY, Who had refused to give°lfic e Wire, the j office o f the 1 . nu being elected. for the office Rentl list -sir Potter (the Secondary) read the . names of ieMen whose names stood upon the .... fanB4eriff. They were Mr. Henry Mugs _Far. George . r. Joh were Mr. Henry Tho as Norris, and " 1. APPleton NV ll' 11 in a IS. n in t he tentt!roan, who, long know not to Ot he two first names, although ridge, Alder of the third be ta ' appeared, upon being put up on the board, own at all in the hall, while the name. Nat — sgs before the day of his nomination, was receive d merited wel we believe, never showed himself on the ne ..l all the rapturous accompaniments of favour of t and recognition. All hands were held up in a '''-r- Wallis, who was immediately declared to be the tuectasful candidate , and upon being called upon to come :Nara and announce his acceptance of the office, ad . - n 4 need to the front of the hustings, and in an exce l l i l e en w t . 4,1 ersPhatic voice addieved the meeting to the fo e. vii 7 etfeet :---" I eilow-citizei s,— You are, perhaps, some at thar,t surprised that I should be a candidate for the t t a l t —e of Sheriff. I assure you that such was no . , all ',',lll)!ated an niV intetition, that I would not have con ything of the kind if I had not found con- Zifidand the shrievalty was hawked about the City, e that it was put up for purchase and sale. rui al. ' heart) Finding that such was the case,. I deter -1; elect s that the livery should have it in their power to a Man who would not support the system of job °fvrYwhich has so long prevailed, and which will now 1.'1400n receive its death-blow. (Laughter, and cries eft ' har, hear"). I shall be proud to serve in the of th e of_Sheriff. I mean to perform the real duties tleto °Ltte e. I shall have no gold coaches —no shallgen es, behind covered with lace— (laughter) —b u t I iTZ do the business in such a manner as will satisfy aYe respectable fe llow -citizens that my object in taking teiani.ii:faes was to serve them, and not to support the oortetinuance of the gew-gaw exhibitions which have so been substituted for the performance of the essen- Le;dof the office." (Cheers.) Mayor and Aldermen having returned from ttlierellC.elleslucil Chamber, to which they had retired during ~li election, the,result was formally declared, and the \Au:anion Ilan was dissolved. THE REVIEW OF THE FLEET. While the impression, produced by this remarkable spectacle is still fresh upon the public mind, it may be well to direct attention to some facts connected with it which seem worthy of being recorded. That such an event should have taken place with so complete an im munity from accidents under circumstances so entirely favourable, and with such liberal and excellent arrange ments for the gratification of all who witnessed it, may be regarded as scarcely less interesting and important than the brilliant success of the display itself. In former times sightseeing was encompassed by many risks, and its pleasures were not unfrequently damped by serious and distressing casualties. But now, with a vast extension of occasions calculated to excite it, we enjoy a comparative safety and comfort quiteunprecedend ed. A naval review is, of all spectacles, probably that which involves those who assemble to witness it in the greatest risk. Taking place on so grand a scale as that of Thursday, the fact of no serious accident having occurred is highly gratifying. It is computed that the event added about 100,000 strangers to the ordinary population of the vicinity in which it occurred, and that during its progress upwards of 1,000 steamers, yachts, and craft of all kinds were afloat, in attendance on the evolutions of the fleet. The public have therefore a debt of gratitude to acknowledge for the arrangements by which they were enabled to witness so magnificent a spectacle with so few drawbacks to the pleasure which it was calculated to inspire. Its thanks are in the first place, and most prominently, due to the Ad miralty, for the liberal spirit in which they have acted, for the opportunity which they have afforded the coun try of appreciating the efficiency of its navy, and for the accommodation which they provided for all who had a claim to be present. The representatives of the press are under special obligations to them—to Admiral Sir T. Cochrane, to Mr. Triphook, his secretary, and, in deed, to all the heads of departments—for the facilities afforded to them in the discharge of their arduous duties. The officers and men of the_ different ships composing the fleet, or attending it, are next entitled to thanks for the hospitality and good feeling displayed by them to wards guests on the occasion. Preoccupied as they were by the business of the review, they had still time to spare for acts of courtesy and kindness. Most of the men-of-war had parties of civilians on board, all of whom received the greatest attention. It is expected that a brevet promotion will gracefully mark the Queen's ap probation of what she witnessed. Next to the authorities of the Admiralty and the offi cers and men of the fleet, the exertions of the different steam-packet companies must be acknowledged. The facilities which they afforded were undeniably great, and tended very much, not only to the convenience of the public, but to the effect of the review. They had it in their power to cause vast confusion and inconvenience ; but, with a very few exceptions, they adhered very laudably to the prescrib , d order of sailing ; and probably the most flagrant breach of rule throughout the day was committed by the members of the Legislature who broke through the line of the fleetandtook up amidway position at the moment when the action was about to commence. The railway company also exerted themselves creditably in providing forthe accommodation of the public, but with a considerable difference as to the result. From the want of a proper staff great delay and confusion took place on the South-Western line. The subordinates did their utmost, and 13,000 passengers were conveyed to Ports mouth from the Waterloo station, but the directors seem unable to understand that, upon an emer gency, they ought to meet the increased demands of their traffic. The Brighton and South Coast line has the advantage of a far more effective manage ment, and in consequenee by that a roundabout route passengers were able to reach the metropo lis with much less delay. The whole question, however, of railway accommodation on occasions of this sort ought to be revised. Having seen a good deal of the inconvenience which the public suffers when events of interest concentrate them upon a particular point, we feel satisfied that there ought to be some understand ing among companies to meet the difficulty. The pres sure which has this year been cast upon the ordinary resources of the South-Western Company may next be the fate of any other line, for in this country we are every day becoming more gregarious, and already the resources of the locomotive and the rail are taxed to the uttermost to meet the usual exigencies of their passen ger traffic. A good deal has been said about the exactions prac tised upon strangers on occasions of this sort, but Ports mouth is like the rest of the world, and yields implicitly to the ordinary market law of supply and demand. Flooded with visitors, the charges for accommodation of every kind rose accordingly, but the George, the Port land, and other leading hotels, maintained under the circumstances a moderate scale of charges, and, if all the world wants to go to a certain point at a particular time, it must makeup its mind to pay smartly for what it gets. It is confidently asserted that the town never witnessed such an influx of visitors, and great difficulty was expe rienced in supplying for them a suitable commissariat. Altogether the review will insure for the Royal Navy a large measure of those benefits which in this free country invariably flow from publicity. The attention which it fixes upon particular ships tends to strengthen the recent regulations, by which the mischievous system of paying off crews when they had been brought into a state of complete efficiency is put a stop to. The Duke of Wellington, the Agamemnon, the Imperieuse, and other war steamers in the fleet will not now be lost sight of. A spirit akin to that which actuates our finest regiments, and which spreads through every branch of national industry, will be diffused among the ships' coin. parries of our navy, and the great principle for which Sir Baldwin Walker contended throughout the recent dock yard inquiry will gradually be extended over the whole service. of knowing that my successor in office—one of the most nean, possessing two closed seas—the Sea of Marmora and your lordships for the indulgence which you have shown eminent members of the present Government —cordially the Euxine Sea—and a flourishing capital, and if that me in listening to the remarks which I have felt it my duty and generously declared in the House of Commons that in power joined with one of the other two it would be per- to make. ttiten..) I feel most strongly the importance of my policy towards France I had maintained the dignity of fectly impossible for the remaining power to maintain its the subject, but nothieg• could have induced me—although my country. It was not, however, on account of any per - position in the Mediterranean. I am m y self at a loss to there may be e are.: dent for it—to make any factious sonal feeling I viewed with regret the attacks which were conceive any point of foreign policy of more vital ce nse- motion a• s ainst the Government on th e quest i on of their directed against my policy towards France, but because I quence to this country than the maintenance of the integ- foreign policy. The present question is not only a matter knew that foreign countries do not understand—as we in i rity and indep en d ence o f Turkey ; and I can hardly ima- of importance as regards the stake at issue, but the honour England do—that certain journals belong to one party and ' gine a sacrifice too great to insure that independence, for of England is completely involved in the result ; and Ido certain others to another, and that whoever may happen it would not only b e f or the interests of this country, but think that it is the duty of her Majesty's Government to to be Minister is certain of being constantly and vigorously for the int eres t s o f p eace , an d the maintenance of the ter- furnish the country with some information on the subject, abused by the newspapers in the interest of the party op- ritorial distribution of Europe, as arranged by treaty. My to state what line of policy they have adopted, and with posed to him. (Laughter) I regretted the attacks which 1 lords, it h as b een sa id by man y p ers ons in this country what results, and to declare witltwhat anidnue they entered were directed against our close alliance with France, be- I that the Turki s h empir e is in a state of decay, and that into the affair ; and lam firmly persuaded that they might cause I feared they would not be estimated abroad at their the most prudent course t o a d op t w ith rega rd to it would safely have done this without in the least degree impeding real value, but might be construed to indicate that the be, laying asid e a ll tr ea ti e s and obligations, to come for- or hindering the negotiations which were going on. They majority of the people of this country were either averse ward and m a k e a p ar titi on o f T ur key, or establish there , might have answered publicly the manifestoes of Russia, from or indifferent to the French alliance. I cannot help some independ e nt government mor e suited to the state of which were no doubt intended to be read by Englishmen thinking that the language of the press in this direction , Eu ro pean policy. Th a t i s a theory, to my mind, at least, as well as any one else ; and the effect of not answering during eleven months, must have made a strong impression as absurd and ruinous as the one to which I have already those manifestoes has been certainly unfavourable to the on foreign courts, and, among o th ers , on the court of referred. It is absurd to s upp ose th a t a governmen t so es- , Government, as far as the public is concerned. lam well Russia. If such an impression did exist—and I know, as tablished, whatever might be its form, whether a federal aware that certain dispatches are necessarily kept secret, a fact, that it did—it must have been considerably strength- government, an eiepire, or a monarchy, could be really in- but I think that the Government have rendered themselves ened, if not changed into almost p os iti ve con viction, by the dependent, or that it would not b e un d er th e con t ro l an d . liable to injurious suppositions, from their having given circumstances which followed. Lord Derby resigned on direction of Russia and Austria. It is impossible that such the house and the public no information on an affair so the 2d of December, and was succeeded by the present a government could in any way maintain the equilibrium closely affecting the honour of the country. ,The French Government. Your lordships know that the eyes of all of power which now exists in Europe, but which would Government published their munifesto, relative to which Europe are especially fixed on the foreign policy of a new bid fair to be subverted unless the Ottoman empire be there never was any difference between the Governments Government, and the line which it will probably take maintained in all its integrity. My lords, I for one do not of France and England. You appear to have thought is anxiously discussed at foreign courts. Now I say that agree with the statement which has been made, that the I that France was too bold, and ran too much risk of offend foreign courts—which were then labouring under the im- Turkish empire is in a state of caducity. It has no debt, 1 ing the Emperor of Russia. These sus p icions arose from pression created by the langu age o f th e Opposition press and its commerce has of late years much increased, I your silence, but there was no reason to justify your during the time we were in office—had their attention and Ido not believe, although it may perhaps be less concealment. lam certain that the document sent in at this particular moment attracted to two remarkable civilised as regards its domestic affairs than other countries reply by her Majesty's Government would have done that speeches made by the members o f the t Go vernment. of Europe, that that circumstance renders it a bit the less Government honour. I should not suspect the Govern resent The noble lord opposite (Clarendon) will not, of course, formidable to its enemies, or that the axiom is true that in ' ment of not having answered the Russian circular in fitting suppose I am making any attack on him, for he was not all cases civilisation makes a country more powerful in re- terms, and I think it was a grievous mistak e not to pu b then in office. As little can the n o bl e l or d's eminent col - sisting the attack of an i n va ding ene m y. The Turkish army lish hat answer. Wherever Igo I hear it repeatedly re league who succeeded me in office suppose I intend to at - I believe to be in a better condition and more efficient than marked that it is humiliatin g to England to see her For• • ~. tack him ; nor can the noble earl a t the h e ad of the Govern- it used to be . the commerce of the country has considerably Minister appear as if he could not answer Count Nessel ment, who, lam sure, must have deplored the speeches I increased ; the policy of Turkey to foreigners is an im- rode's circular. If you had taken this line, instead of have referred to as much as I did. One of the speeehes in proving policy, and I know no country so liberal to all re- being embarrassed in this house, I think you would have question was made by the First Lord of the Admiralty— ligious denominations. (Hear, hear.) lam unable to see found what you have always found, and will find if these 'one of the most able and experienced members of the Cabi- any symptoms of decay in the points to which I have important events are not settled, that Parliament will net—and the other by the President of the Board of Con- called your lordships attention. An argument has been support you in any difficulty which concerns the interests trol. In these speeches the speakers did not hesitate urged in support of the alleged caducity of the Ottoman em- of our common country, and you will see, what I should openly to condemn the conduct of the French people in pire to which I must beg your lordships' attention. It like to show to foreign nations and foreign Governments, their choice of a ruler, and the only inference to be drawn has been said that the fact of 'the proportion of the that in this country, not only have we not degenerated from these speeches — which I need not take the trouble of Greek subjects of the Sultan being larger than that of the from our predecessors, because we have grown richer in quoting —was, that the members of the Government by Mussulman population is a symptom of the cudacity of the peace and have advanced in civilization, but also that even whom they were delivered were actuated by a hostile fee l- Turkish empire. Now, that is an argument which might that spirit which is inseparable from f ree i ns tit u ti ons —th e ing towards the people and tne Prince of the country of with equal, if not greater cogency, be applied to our Indian spirit of party- -would have been sacrificed whenever the which they spoke. It cannot be supposed possessions. The excess of the Greek subjects over the common interests of our common country and the honour made by two such distinguished indieidualiti t a k en in con- Mussulmans in the Ottoman empire is nothing compared of the Crown were at stake. (Hear, hear.) nection with the language so long , at the speeches used bythe Opposition with that of the Pagans over the Christians in our Indian The Earl of CLARENDON—My lords, I certainly was press, made no impression on the mind c the Emperor territories, and yet it can hardly be said that that vast em- not prepared, when my noble friend gave me noti ce of he was going to put, for so lo ng a s p eec h, whether of Russia, at that moment, perhaps, i m it a ting as to pire is in a state of caducity. My lords, before I sit down , the question whether he should yield to the temptations of his position. I must beg your lordships to follow me in a short statement Do you not suppose that his impression, it common with which I wish to make of the affairs of Turkey during the'very interesting certainly, but still so long, and consisting that of other p owers , m ust have been that it was impos- last four or five months. The unfortunate question of the of so many narratives as my noble friend has given. There sible any cordial understan din g could prevail between Holy Places having been brought forward in February, I are parts of his speech which I hope he will not think me France and England ? Not only is it material to suppose Princ e Menschikoff was dispatched to Constantinople. He discourteous if I decline to follow. 'My noble fri en d has , that that must have been the case, but I bow that it was arrive d there, certainl y , as I believe, with no distinct in- , down various propositions which no one would thi n k . laid the case. I know that this was the impreaion ma d e , and tention of adopting any particular course. His language was of di sputi and he has also made allusions and st a t emen t s the conviction felt in the minds of all ruing persons in haughty a nd his mien arro g ant, while the first act he corn- ng, every Court in E uro pe. This, I say, was an addi- mitted after his arrival at Constantinople was to insist upon which, in the present state of affairs, I think it my public tional temptation to Russia, because, if England and the immediate dismissal of the then Secretary for Foreign duty not to notice for the same reason that I have hereto- France did not hold together to resist aggression on Affairs. He then refused to ho ld an y communication with fore refused to answer them ; and I assure my noble friend Turkey, she must, doubtless, fall. Afer this there the Minister, and insisted upon communicatingdirectly with that it is very painful to me to have to give the same came another reason for doubting the anxiety of our the Sovereign. My lords, at that time he did not, how- Government to defend the freedom ,and independence ever, make the proposition which has since become famous ; answers to questions over and over again, and to decline of the Sovereign of Turkey ,- -1 a,lnicle b the occasion that proposition was not put forward for six weeks after his to lay before your lordships all the information that your when Prince Leiningen was sent to male d eman d s on arr i va l ; and I must beg leave to point out to your lordships lordships and the country have the right to expect, t o the part of Austria, when we failed to shcw th a t activity what was in reality the purport—what the meaning of that remove the state of anxious suspense that has so long lasted, in supporting our ancient ally which world have been p r oposal. It insisted that th e Turkish Government should which interferes with all the business transactions of the (Hear, the wisest as it was the most honourable eolicy. grant - to its Greek subjects for a perpetuity all those heat) I think that when Pri nce Iseiningefs mi ss i on t oo k " ur i v il eees w hi c h they had enjoyed by successi v e firmans country, and which has led to feelings of impatience and place our Government evinced great supineness in respect irom the Sultan—that is to say, privileges which they had indignation. And I assure my noble friend that it is with to the language and demands of Austria When we enjoyed at the will and pleasure of their Sovereign. It great reluctance, and from nothing but a sense of public allowed Austria to insist on the Sultan abstaining from was proposed to the Sultan, under fear of Russia, to bind duty, that I still adhere to that principle which has been further coercing his own subjects—the relellious Monte- himself to grant privileges to his own subjects. The pro- . the principle of all former Governments of this country, and negrins—we ought at least to have securedfor the Turkish posal was analogous to a foreign power insisting upon the army a safe and peaceable retreat from th e roug h an d d„.. Q ueen o f thi s cou ntry securing for ever by an act of her has• been sanctioned by Parliament—namely, that of not gerous country in which they were employed. I know of own those privileges to her Roman Catholic subjects which making communications whilenegotiations are pending,and no previous instance in which an ar my evacuating, by were conferred upon them in 1829 . It was a matter of of not laying before Parliament separate dispatches or por treaty, a hostile country, has not been protected from perfect impossibility that such a demand could be con- . tions of dispatches. But with respect to the answer to that molestation during its retreat. In this, however, I believe plied with. The Turkish Government could not have circular to which my noble friend has again alluded, I as no stipulation in favour of the Turkish army was made by acceded to it, even if they had not been backed by their England or France, and the consequence was, that from old allies, but stood alone in the quarrel. Be that as it sure him that it is in argument the same, and in tone not 1,500 to 2,000 Turkish soldiers were destroyed. This, and m a y, th e p ro p osa l was re f use d. W e ar e not in the posses- less firm and moderate than the note of the French Geyer/t -ether circumstances connected with Prime Leiningee's sion of official papers relating to this affair, as none have ment, of which he has expressed his satisfaction. And it is, mission, must have tended to impress Bassi" with the idea been laid upon the table of your lordships' house, but the as I have said, nothing but a sense of duty that prevents that, happen what might, we were not disposed to draw public are in possession of correspondence on the subject, the sword in defence of our ancient ally. What happened which there is no reason to believe to be at all incorrect. me giving myself the satisfaction of laying that answer on anothe- occesion could not fail to strengtaen th e impres . Th e T ur ki s h G overnmen t re pli e d, w ith mu ch dignity, that on your lordships' table. But her Majesty's Government sten thus created at the Court of Russia, as I know it did it was impossible to comply with so unreasonable a pro- are anxious to do and say nothing that can impede the that prevailing at other Courts of Europe, I refer now to position. The Russian envoy then gave notice that he what occurred after Prince Menschikoff's arrival at Con- should quit Constantinople, and retire to Odessa, but peaceful solution of this embarrassing question, for stantinople, and before he made his famous demands in fa- before doing so he wrote a note to the Turkish Govern- our object—and it must be that of your lordships—is the your of the 'Greek population. At that period we had at ment—extraordinary, from its unprovoked insolence— maintenance of peace; but peace, as I havesaid before, con Constantinople a Charge d'Affaires of consilerable expert- (hear, hear)—and which, if it be authentic, is unsurpassed sistent with the national honour and the national faith, and once, he had obtained a high character when employed by by any letter to any civilised Government in the history therefore For, my Lord Palmerston, and I can speak onl y in his p raise when of the wo rld. I must be g to road to y our lordshi p s that with the national intere sts. ( Hea r.) he was employed by me. I refer to Colonel Rose. That letter. I take it from one of the daily journals, which lords, lam sure her Majesty's Government would ill repro gentleman thought that events were pending which made states that— sent the feelings of the country, and they could not rely it desirable that the English and French fleets should ap- " Prince Menschikoff, on taking his departure from this upon any support from your lordships or from the public, if preach nearer to Constantinople—in short, ite wished them place, having failed in intimidating or seducing the Porte peace were purchased on any other terms. In one portion to make a demonstration in the eastern part of the Mediter- into the most dangerous concessions, addressed the follow- of my noble friend's speech, with reference to the alliance ranean. It seems that Admiral Dundas took a different ing note to the Minister of Foreign Affairs, which has view of the case, and exercising his discretion , did not been communicated to the L e g ations of En g land, France, with France, he has reviewed the circumstances that might comply with Colonel Rose's demand It appears , further , Austria, and Prussia : have influenced, and next the reasons that may have in that the government approved Admiral Dundas's decision, " Bujukdere, May 9 (21). duced the Emperor of Russia to take the course he did. and took a different view of the necessity of the case from "At the moment of departure from Constantinople the My noble friend began with a full review of his policy that entertained by Colonel Rose. Ido not pretend to say undersigned, Ambassador of Russia, has learnt that the during I think it desirable that on that occasion the English and Sublime Porte manifested its intention to proclaim a the time he was himself in office, against which I am not prepared to say anything. He has alluded to French fleets should have repaired to Besiks Bay, or even guarantee for the exercise of the spiritual rights vested in to Smyrna, but Ido think it of immense importance that the clergy of the Eastern church, which in fact renders the abuse which has been directed against himself at that crisis everything which bore the slightest ap- doubtful the maintenance of the other privileges which by the press. I think it is a little out of time and place in pearance of want of cordiality between the fleets, or of that church enjoys. him to allude to such matters on this occasion —(hear, unity of policy between the two Governments, should " ' Whatever may be the motive of this determination, any have been carefully avoided. But what happened ? The the undersigned is under the necessity of informing his hear)—but lam sure he will acquit me of having had French Government, taking alarm at Colonel Rose's sum- Hi g hness the Minister of Foreign Affairs, that a declare- thin g to do with these attack (" Hear, hear," from the mons, in two or three days sent their fleet into the Greek tion or any other act which, although it may preserve the Earl of Malmesbury.) I can only say I very much regret water ; while our fleet—in defiance of the urgent request many of those attacks made against my noble friend. I integrity of the purely spiritual rights of the orthodox of our Charge de'Atiaires, remained at Malta. This cir- Eastern Church, tends to invalidate the other rights, pri- believed them to be unjust at the time, and I have found cunestance naturally inspired the Courts of Europe with vileges, and immunities accorded to her religion and them to be unjust since ,• and I entirely agree in the state the idea that the two Governments had adopted different clergy from the most ancient times, and which they enjoy moats of my noble friend in the other house, that there lines of policy; and nothing, in my opinion, could have at the present moment, will be considered by the Imperial was nothin g in the relations between my noble friend and tended more than this unfortunate circumstance to encour- C a bi n et as an act of hostility to Russia and her religion. the French Government that was inconsistent with the age Russia to make the demands which she subsequently " ' The undersigned begs, &c., dignity and honour of this country. But I cannot admit preferred. If the two fleets had proceeded together in the that my noble friend is entitled to claim the . entire credit direction pointed out by Colonel Rose, the act would have ,' 'His Highness Redschid Pasha, `` Minister 3lEN SCHIKOFF • of having established these friendly relations with the French Government. He ha s talked as if between this made such an impression on Russia, that she would have of Foreign Affairs." stopped there, anti Prince Menschikoff would never have I cannot conceive, my lords, how the Sultan's refusal to Government kat I. that of France there t i hatadusi,elwizs had first a made the demands which he subsequently advanced. In grant privileges to his own subjects—privileges in perpe- state of hositility, if not more, and h making these observations, I have no intention to attack tufty—could possibly be conceived an act of hostility to struck him that it would be very desirable to_ ;tit an end lrs to the strife between the two countries. Now, in the the Queen's Government. My object is solely to direct at- Russia. (Hear.) Ican conceive no proceeding so aptly tention to the unfortunate circumstances which I haveexpression " • would first place, I remind my noble friend—and I am in referred to—namely, the abuse directed against Lord described by the trite trying to pick a quar our lordships' recollection-- what has been the policy of Derby's foreign policy by the Oppositon ; the impression, the demand and the subsequent letter of Prince y lete " n a s e chiikoff I ean hardly conceive, my lords, that the this country with France. The relations existing between us were of a nature so friendly and intimate that they formed nay, the conviction produced in the minds of foreign Go- Ri • n Government could be cognisant of such a proceed the subject of congratulation in the speech from the Throne. vernments by the language of Sir James Graham and Sir iSSin i that they could support it. After having despatched Charles Wood ;and finally, by the wantof 'slutaction on ing, n Princeni h•off left C nstantinople and retired j the note, ensc is o He might have seen, and lam sure when in office he must have seen, ample evidence of the design of this country to the part of two fleets. Your lordships know that Lord to Odessa, and shortly afterwards Count Nesselrode sent a Derby's Government valued highly the French alliance, dispatch to the Turkish Government, stating that if the be on the most friendly terms with France, whatever the and made its maintenance one of the 1 points, of principal terms demanded by his Sovereign were not acceded to he government of that country—whether it was a limited their foreign policy : It appeared to us that it was time to should at once cross the Pruth and invade the principalities. monarchy, are public, or the Imperial form under which they now live. There always has been exactly the same discard the old prejudices which had for centuries pre- N o w, my lords, I must beg your lordships' attention to veiled between the two countries, and tended to check the another point. It seems, from the documents which have feeling, and Ido not say it to the credit of an y on e Govern ment more than another, but it was the duty of every progress of civilisation. A long succession of wars has re- appeared, peered, taking for granted that they were authentic, that Government, because it was the manifest interest of this suited in showing that neither of these two great coon- Countp Nesselrode founded his claim upon the treaty of country, to maintain the most friendly, cordial, and in tries is able to subjugate the other, but that each is caps- Kainardji, and said that the Emperor asked for nothing timate relations with France. That the attacks of certain ble of maintaining its own independence. We thought more than the observance of that treaty, which, in reality, newspapers—because I do not apprehend they all joined in that two such great nations, united in amity, had a glom - g ave all the privileges demanded. Now, mylords, I can con such attacks—but that the attacks of certain newspapers ous mission to fulfil, in spreadin g a civilisation over every ceive no object in asking for a treaty to guarantee rights upon my noble friend for having laboured to maintain part of the world, and maintaining peace, founded on the guaranteed already by a tre at y i n existence, and if the treaty those relations have produced any effect in the manner he present territorial division of Europe. When we came into of Kainardji in 1774 guaranteed the rights and privileges the • lof the supposes on mint office, the French people had recently ratified the change demanded by the Emperor, what was the use of a new really cannot believe, any more than I can believe that his of government effected by the present Emperor. It was treaty in 1853? (Hear, hear.) But does the treaty of mind has been influenced, or that his policy towards evident that the Prince contemplated restoring the Kainardji guarantee the privileges demanded by the Ent- Turkey has been guided by the two speeches to which my dynasty of his uncle. It was felt to be of great con- prior in 1853? The seventh article of that treaty noble friend, I am sorry to say, has again alluded. I sequence at that time that this country should stand " Promises to protect constantly the Christian religionallusion was perfectly unnecessary. think that I this well with the new Government, and we were pleased to and its churches, and also permits to the Ministers of the do not think that those speeches have led to any results find the head of that Government as anxious as ourselves • 1 Court R •make representations in Impena of Russia to to establish relations of amity between the two nations. It of thechurch Constantinople,' • to new at promisingtake and I cannot congratulate my noble friend upon hay was not by words alone the Emperor of the French mani- • made by •neighbouringand • them in consideration as a - ,ing again brought it forward. Those speeches , my lords, felted his anxietyon this point. He proved it hearts during cerely friendly power." I am certainly not here to defend. One of them, as my the whole course of our administration. He proved it at the time when . , being about to advance an army upon Your lordships can, I think, hardly fail to perceive the noble friend knows, was delivered at a public meeting, Switzerland, he accepted our good offices to mediate be- great distinction between promising to protect the Chris- without any reference to France, and as an illustration tween him and the Helvetic Republic. He proved it by tian religion and granting in perpetuity certain privileges how universal suffrage might lead to results different from SC . tine in concert with ,us e , in averting the danger of war to the subjects of the Sultan who professed the religion of those attributed to it, without any thought of the French arising out of the case of Cuba. He showed it when he sent the Greek Church. That is one of the misrepresentations I Emperor or the French empire. The other speech was de an amassador to Buenos Ayres at the same time that we of the Russian Government, and upon that misrepresents- I livered at a mere private meeting,e qually without thought did, when matters assumed a threatening aspect on the tion they founded certain demands, at the same time or reflection of the feeling that it might create. At the South American continent. Still more did he prove it threatening that if those demands were not acceded to they ' meeting of Parliament this session the matter was brought whendissension unfortunately arose between the Sultan and would send an army across the Prath and occupy the prin- by the noble marquis (Clanricarde) under the attention of the Pasha of Egypt in consequence of the firman, when the cipalities. My lords, I must say that I consider sending an ' this house. It was then fully explained by the noble earl Sultan endeavoured to force the tanzimat code on his vas- army across the Pruth to be nothing more nor less than an at the head of the Government in this house, and equally sal. This case was very remarkable, because we know the invasion, (Hear, hear.) I have heard the occupation of the , satisfactorily explained, and I may say apologised for, in f ee ling with which France has always regarded English in- principalities defended on the ground that by certain ' the other house of Parliament. I believe that my noble fluence in Egypt. Your lordships are aware that the tra- treaties the Emperor of Russia has a right to send his friend (the Marquis of Clanricarde) expressed himself satis ditional policy of France has always been to thwart English troops into those provinces, but under circumstances totally tied with the explanation then given, and I know that the interests and agents in Egypt. It used to be supposed im- different from the present state of affairs. In the first same feeling existed in the other house. And I may say, possible for English and French agents to act together in place, there c an be no doubt as to the nationality of those to the credit of the Emperor of France, that if ever he had that country. When war between the sultan and his vassal provi nces . The treaty of Adrianople and the treaty of any such feeling as the noble earl imagines, he at once was imminent, and we appealed to the great Powers to as- Akermann, in 1826, declared that the Pruth was accepted those explanations given by hon. gentleman under sist in averting it, we found none so anxious to effect that the boundary between the territory of Russia and the accidental circumstances, as I may call them, in which o bject as France. Considering what has always been the the Ottoman empire. Subsequent treaties also speak of th e y were spoken, and the thing was treated as Thee-aneless. policy of France in respect to Egypt, the cordial action of those two provinces as belonging to the Turkish empire, And Ido not think that my noble friend will find many to the French Government in this matter is no slander test of and therefore there cannot be the slightest possible doubt share his opinion, expressed in bringing these speeches for its sincerity. Then, again, upon the question of the political as to which country those two provinces belong ward, that they had anything to do with the notion that refugees in this country—a question deeplyaffecting France to. On the sth of July the Russians cr os sed the Pruth England and France would not act together, and that it on account of her proximity to our shores--we f oun d the and usurped the government of those provinces—the col- would therefore be safe for the Emperor of Russia to pur- FrenchGovernmentexhibing no nervousor irritable feeling. lection of the revenue, the management of the post-office, sue his own policy. I have, my lords,. on more than one lam goad that our anxiety to follow out the policy which and in short all those departments which form the civil go- occasion, stated to your lordships how intimate and cordial we had thought it expedient to adopt with respect to that vernment — and it is even said that they went further still, I the alliance between France and England has been. I re great country was not in any way discouraged by the abuse and enlisted some of the natives of those provinces into I joice on this as on every other opportunity to repeat it, and which was showered by the daily press of this country upon their own army. I consider, my lords, 'that the Russians to assure your lordships that there has been throughout the that policy. My lords, when I have said so much, I must by thus crossing the Pruth and invading the Principalities I whole of this Eastern question the most intimate and cor also add that our course of policy with regar d t o F rance , h ave violated the treaty of Adrianople, for the present oe- dial, I may almost say daily, communication between the and the desire we evinced of establishing re l a ti ons o f am it y cupa ti on is very unlike any former occupation. The for- I two Governments. On every important proceeding there with that country, did not in any respect stand in the way mer occupations of the Principalities have been either to has never existed any material difference of opinion. They of our alliance with other nations continuing on t h e same secure th e paymen t o f a d e bt which the Ottoman Empire took the same view of the policy to be adopted, and there terms of cordiality and amity which had happily ex i s t e d did no t a bj ure , or h ave taken place at the wish of the has been complete unity of action between them in the between them and the „ Government whi„ch, preceded us. Turkish Government to put an end to disturbances, as was course that has been pursued. With those assurances that The language we used to all nations,„, was . i a "Ke , for we said, the case in the year 1848. There is not the slightest sow have been given e . to the public of both countries, and with that while England would not willingly become the adver- logy between those occupations and the present one. The those manifestations which have also been given of this sary of any nation, at the same time any act of aggression present one has taken place, not only without the consent, unaniniL l y e d ,faenr the spiteexpe- Emperor of Russia, if his policy in the e landmarks or territorial arrangement now settled, or which dite the payment o f a debt, but to compel the fulfilment of land—itEa shd an reference to the affiance of France and Eng infringed any existing treaty, would meet resistance and a demand made to the Turkish Government in the form 3 0must have been impossible for him to believe that that discouragement at our hands. (Hear, hear.) My lords, I an ultimatum, and in direct violation of existing treaties ; . alliance did not exist, and was not sincere, and think that the present Government, when they came into and I can only look upon it as an act of aggression. may. t i_ would not be brought to act in any way in which that those office, must have been sensible of the happy result s o f th e l or d s, I mus t sa y, with regard to the conduct o Governments might determine. (Hear.) The next point course of foreign policy which we thought it our duty to jesty's Government, that unless they have had some good to which my noble . friend alluded as having t have found adopt, and, at all events, they must S have the ad- reason, unknown to the people of tis d for t- h country, adop Emperor of Russia of think they AI influenced the a was the little care and interest which vantage of the intimate reliance which existed between ing the course they have adopted, I e n rudent thin at I key ajesty's Government appeared to show towards Tur this country and France ; for I say that if it be true—and have acted wisely. I think that it . was a p . g y during the mission of Prince Leiningen. Turkey • I sincerely hope that it may be tree—that is saved ' the outset to place the fleet of this country, in conjunc- i has also been • hin the reach of the amebas- ' .the This question brought forward, and I have explanations at from Russian aggression and Russian appropriation, it is tion with the French fleet, witl e time, which your lordships thought satisfactory. e we I also think that when the to England and to France that such a result is entirely seders of either count 7, but were in communication with the Austrian o th the moment had ar- the au • Government on •and the late Government laid the foundations, of Russian army crossed the Pru , instructions subject. We did not fail owing ; and to give to relative to ask for full explanations that alliance which has now brought forth fruits which rived to go a step further, to the mission of Prince Lei 'which 1 the Dardanelles. I none must be so ready to acknowledge as her Majesty's the allied fleets to enter consider nations, I must say, there na . ngeu, . exp a + h a ve n otacted CrOveramen , nt Government. My lords, it is hardly necessary for that Her Majesty's The Austrian was no disinclination to give. preseinstructions, and, my fiords I firmly Government said that the expedition to me to point out to your lordships the enormous importance not issuing such Montenegro was carried con of maintaining the independence and integrity of Turkey ; believe that, had the fleet entered the Dardanelles, to the on upon a very large scale, Constan and, indeed, I should not touch . . upon the subject at all if Iwe should be in a • more eposadvantag position than at re- t• trary advice given by the allied powers at P inople, so as to endanger were not aware that there is a certain have been the r of this section of politicians sent. It ought to o icy without hesita- advance step by step with Russia, and retreat in a similar of the Austrian empire—that she had every —a small one, happily—who openly, and . . another reason h it reason to apprehend declare that the maintenance of the independence and manner. There is don, is a matter which signifies ' that the fleets should enter the Dardanelles. Your lord- integrity of the Turkish empire . these circumstances Austriasentmission to the Porte, be that there • and when these persons are . ships may not aware exists considerable ex- to r , a very little to this country ; should be of Turkey be main- citement at Constantinople among the Turkish population, re that this expedition of Omer Pasha . shown that, unless the independencealthough she did not able tomaintain the road and therefore there is a second danger. There put an end to, and to represent, that tained, this country will not be . is the danger mean to dispute the authority of the Sultan over the ofthe R •proceeding in as say that even in such an event to India, they go so far to .which his antho great calamity. and there is the danger of the Turkish population- ion, Montenegrins, but merely the manner in . . as that, there is, in their opinion, no very . . . forcing rity was exercised, yet that such a contest going on in the I am well aware that it is scarcely worth . the Government • to while to answer in measures which might expedite was dangerous to her such politicians, but I must beg your lordships to recollect actually bring on a war ; and if the united fl. t or territory of a neighbouring power Turkisharmy, I ee s were in self. With respect to the retreat of the .. independence of Turkey is:just now. the Dardanelles the danger would of what importance the so imminent. am not aware that any stipulations were violated. All d between Englandand The appearance of the combined fleets would be the tra e e s would afterwards cat- My lords, at this moment have removed I found was, that 1,500 or 2,000 men were a fterwards w. , . than that between England all susicion from the minds of the Turkey is better by two-thirdsbeing the fact that our and would have afforded decisive Sultan and the people, tuned, even after the Sultan had given ord f . li. proof that tl • rce•Hutt n Government w ere in and Russia. (Hear.) This, the n , important by two-thirds than and France would stand by the Ottoman • this country drawing his fo .• . Austria to insure the full trade with Turkey is more e will imme la e y perceive have been useful also in case • d' t lt' s that no injury that with Russia, your lordships the Sultan should require as- completion of the terms of the stipule ion t emporium of Turkish sistance against the violence it . I have reason that if Constantinople , the giTa dismemberment and excitement of his d to the Turkish au tho r it division an of 1 I must repeat, my lords, that subjects. should be one were carried out, and commerce, should, by the• unless the Government have to believe that those stipulations the hands of R • three ' had fall into mom, good reason, unknown to us, •made by the Austrian Government in that the empire of Turkey, . possession of the Mediterranean ' adopted, I cannot but think for the policy they liavei 'that the efforts The nextint to which great powers would be in of, as at present, grave error. H • s that they have committed tt direction were quite satisfactory. —France, Russia, and E n gland—instead Having made these observations I will sa T but my noble fth t the Fre h and friend alluded, as a proo a nc England and France. Your lordships will perceive that little more, but I must apologise' - Engli sh Gov e rnments were not acting cordially together, I • to your lordships before i rr - if ano th er great power gained possession of the Medite a , sit down for the time I have taken up, and I roust thank! a an that this again must have influenced the Russian Go- vernment, was, that at the time the English fleet wa s sent for by Colonel Rose the French fleet sailed from Toulon, while ours did not leave Malta. I have said before that Colonel Rose did write to Admiral Dundas under the first impression and excitement produced by Prince Menschikoff's arrival- attended by certain circum stances to which my noble friend has alluded, although not correctly. Prince Menschikoff did not ask for the dismissal of the Turkish Minister for Foreign Affairs. He did nothing more than has been announced by the Russian Go. vernment. He sent in a note, saying that the late Minister having been the instrument by whose conduct the viola tion of the promises given by the Sultan to the Emperor had occurred, he was determined not to intrust any nego tiations through that channel. When Prince Menschikoff went to the Sultan, therefore, he requested that the corres pondence should be sent through the Grand Vizier, or any other Minister. Prince Menschikoff did not call upon Fuad Effendi, and he was dismissed ; but his dismissal was not asked by the Russian Government. Still, Prince Mens chikoff's arrival under the circumstances did produce a great deal of excitement in the minds of the Turkish Go vernment, and Colonel Rose did write to Admiral Dundas, not exactly to come to Constintinople, but stating that he understood the fleet were about to take their summer cruise to the East, and recommending- that his departure from Malta should be hasten e d by eight or nine days. Ad miral Dundas did not comply with that request, and when, a few days after, things became peaceable, Col expre , sed his satisfacti on th a t the fleet had not come, Rose and .o his e b n el d i e t f h t a h t a t t he blae nog re o s t a ia lt t s io w ns ou t i t i l l o h n b av ei c n fo g llo on w iT ed ied had o n i t w done th so e Russian ambassador might have taken a hostile course. On the news of the English fleet balms sent for by Colonel Rose reaching Paris by the telegraph, orders wore given for the French fleet to go to Salamis. This was done without consultation with our Government. It was done on the spur of the moment, the French. Government believing that *he danger was imminent. However, the orde r was g i ven, a nd when the French Government communicated this order, we frankly told them that the danger did not appear to us to be so imminent, and that at that moment we did not think it necessary that our fleet should leave Malta. But the French Government said that under the circum stances—and it made no difference in our relations—Toulon being further west than Malta, if danger did occur, and the two fleets were wanted, they would be in a line, and more handy for action and better able to arrive at Con stantinople together, and to act in combination, if one were at Salamis and the other at Malta. We entirely agreed in this, and the circumstance did not for one mo ment throw a single shade of difference over our relations. Her Majesty's Government were entirely satisfied that the French fleet should be so muchth ahead of th the fle e Engliets weresh fleet, and when p to wanted rove ßesika Bay, instructions were the to result has proceed agreed upon on the same day at Paris and in London, and dispatched by the same telegraph, and within a few hours of each other the fleets arrived at Besika Bay, which could not have been the case if one fleet had been at Toulon and the other at Malta. That circumstance never produced the slightest difference, or shade of difference, between the two Governments. My noble friend says there certainly was a difference between the two Governs ments that influenced the Emperor of Russia in the policy he pursued towards Turkey. I cannot dive into the mind of any man further than my noble, friend, but I will merely say that the assurances that were given to us were the same as those given to my noble friend, although they went further, because the Russian Government gave us general assurances, and also more particular assurances as to t he objects sought by Russia in the East. No Sovereign could have given more solemn or more sacred assurances of re spect for existing treaties, and for the territorial arrange ments of Europe, The Emperor of Russia never hesitated forma(H (Hear.) thatempireanr t .a asn purposei, athheger Russiane at independenceph r ioncGip wouldolvee Government to say that he considered the maintenance of the Turkish ande eldnEuropean to has,n integrityon imn policy, a desire lid t o that occasion, agreed with her Majesty's Governme ro n ef t t t hT h aur a n t ko t en h ye e . dismemberment of the Turkish Government would be a great European calamity, that it would lead unquestion ably to war, and that it could not be settled without great disturbance to the existence balance of power in Europe. Under these circumstances the Russian Government sent Prince Menschikoff to Constantinople, not as my noble friend says, when the question of the Holy Places was settled, because it was not settled. It may have been settled in the French sense, but that makes all the dif fel once ; and it was on that account that the Emperor of Russia resisted the settlement. He said that those privi leges had been transferred to the Latins which heretofore had been given to the Greeks—that this was a violation of solemn promises made to himself ; that it was impair ing his moral influence, occupying as he does a high and elevated position in the Greek Church; and that it not only impaired his influence over those who professed the Greek faith in the Turkish dominions, but that it reacttd prejudicially upon himself over his subjects in his own do minions. He therefore considered that it was absolutely necessary that the question should b e se t r i g ht. ' I must say that from first to last, acting with great respect towards the French Government he said he would not seek to de prive the Latins of the advantages theythus gained, although at his own expense, but that he would seek fromthe Turk ish Government some equivalent, and he should require that that equivalent should be secured to them, 'lot as be fore, under a firman, which experience had shown him *mild be violated, but by some explanatory act of a more binding character which should prevent future disturb ance. Therefore, my lords, this mission was undertaken, not, as my noble friend says, after the question was settled, but it was undertaken for the purpose of settling the question, and it was not at first so very easily settled. Various conferences took place. ,The Russian Ambassador and the French Ambassador -had to meet various times upon it, and it was at. last mainly adjusted by the friendly intervention of my noble friend her Majesty's Ambassador at Constantinople, who, this country being uninterested in the question, was enabled to act as amicus curia. By the advice he gave the question was settled in a manner satis factory to all parties, and his services were acknowledged by both the French, the Austaian, and the Russian Go vernments. It was only after this that, on the sth of May, c srtain further propositions were made by the Russian Government—propositions certainly of which we had, until that time, no idea. We certainly did not know that proposals which amounted at last to little less than a pro tectorate, that any such proposals would be made ; and we not unnaturally supposed—having officially received the assurance that Prince Menschikoff had a very wide lati tude in his instructions to conclude the matter in any way be thought proper—l say, we not unnaturally supposed that this first proposal of his was an attempt to gain as much as he possibly could, with au intention to take less if that was offered. And so it turned out, because this conviction was objected to, and my noble friend the Bri tish Ambassador at Constantinople pointed out to him what would be its practical operation supposing it to be agreed to. Prince Menchikoff accordingly gave it up. He next proposed another form— a served, which is equivalent to a protocol. That also was objected to, although it was far less objectionable than the first proposal ; and then the Prince proposed lastly, a form of note, which the Sultan objected to also, and which, too, was withdrawn. I must say that throughout the whole of these negotiations it was a matter of satisfaction to her Majesty's Government that the combined fleets had not passed the Dardanelles, because nobody could say that the Turks had not acted in a per fectly free and independent manner, guided only by what they considered to be their own interest, and because all pretexts were taken from any power to say that the Turks acted under pressure from other Governments. On the 22d of May Prince Menschikoff left Constantinople. I have no doubt that the passage read by noble friend from his valedictory letter- (a laugh)—is correct, and I think, if it is correct, my noble friend designated it rightly, for such language as that is fortunately very rare in diplomatic correspondence, and I hope it will long remain au exception to the general rule. (Hear.) Your lordships are also aware that after Prince Menschikoff had quitted Constantinople a note was sent by Count Nesselrode to Redschid Pasha, asking him to accept within eight days the note of Prince Menschikoff. ltedschid Pasha declined, although in the most courteous manner, and then, in pur suance, of the authority which that letter contained, the principalities were occupied. I certainly have not the least hesitation in saying we have looked upon that as a viola tion of existing treaties. (Hear.) Although, however, my noble friend blamed the Government for the line of con duct Pursued by them upon the occupation of the princi palities, I do not intend now to enter upon a defence of that part of our policy, for a sense of public duty does not permit me to do so. We might certainly have recom mended the Sultan to have acted upon that which was un questionably a oct,s us belli. (Hear.) I have not the least doubt that we might, if we had thought proper, advised the Sultan to treat the occupation of the principalities as a cams belli, to suspend existing treaties, and ask for our pro tection. We did not, however, think it advisable to do so —not because we did not consider it to be a cases belli, but because we thought it was incumbent upon us in the first place to do all that iu us lay to avoid the chances 'of war— .'", (hear) ;—and we thought, having to appeal to the people of this country, that we should not come with a good grace to them unless we could show that we had exercised and rinch t i h ips e a s l e iti g e r s o , u w n e ds di t d ha n t o , t u r p e o e n om th m e en m d er to e exhausted every effort to maintain an honourable peace. occupationt(heoasru ta I t too w f uponatsha exercise l) right in th i s o of m treating ust be that gt o saayalhaasti,tt-whraosu, undoubted and unquestionable i o i f e g t o h t e ia F ti r o e n n s c , h al G th o o v u er g n h in l en di t, d a no m t u a s ll tu ga b h d s ee o g a u t ontytaothchu. your oNW.ifoh lordshipswionlater . action And thet understand that in nothing have we taken a step without - consulting the French Government. (Hear.) There has been negotiation almost daily ; by dispatches or by tele graph questions have been as k e d , an d answers i mme di a tely i sent, n order that there should not exist any variation of policy, and in nothing was the French Government more united with us than in not considering this as a cases belli. Moreover, we found that the instructions we sent to our ambassador at Constantinople to this effect crossed the dispatches which were soon afterwrads received from. my noble friend, stating that such had been the view of the torte, and that such haA been the advice he had given to the Porte. (Hear, hear.) I certainly was not pre pared to enter into this question as fully as I have been led to do by the speech of my noble friend (the Earl of Malinesbury), but still I have been most desirous to n nut your lordships as far as I can in possession of the inf , a tion which both your lordships and the country j a n t io , axe must be anxious to possess. Although neg°tiratlordships still pending, I will not hesitate to state to aura a e co nvinced, h st a a t g s e te s p u s d t w h h os a e t n is eg t o h t e i i a r ti p o re ns so h n a t y p e o a s r it r i i o v n e n F au n t d t i h n ei m r must be ate which he has bseyn when wt I do so, my noble friend looking to the forbearance and m oderation in of Ministerial responsi bility exercised, and bearing from late experience of the extent _ say, he will under bility in these matters—l am . sure, 1 of such matters will not mindthat he is aware stand that a more full discussion and after the princi rode had been rejected by the I' that the opportunity seemed occupied, . . now be desirable. It was after_tohreten,ote of Count panties had had been then to have arisen into a new phase. It had. then when mutual friends might treat the matter as having ente re d certainly, by the occupation of this 1 ortion of tho Turkish which imposed - c h a racter, upon other Powers territory and in contravention of existing treaties, assumed a European the necessity of interfering in some way or other to put an end to such a state of things. The mediation of Austria wa s offered. Wh ether it was a s ked for or not, or offered w ithout being asked for, I don't exactly know; I only know it was acted upon. The Austrian Government made a most fair and reasonable proposition, saying to the Porte, ,‘ You have rejected this note ; furnish us with such a note as we may send to St. Petersburg—something which shall be safe to you, and not unacceptable to the Emperor of Russia. Furnish us with such a note as that, and we will agree to send it to St. Petersburg, and support it when there." A Ministerial crisis and other causes, which at this moment I am unable to explain, caused delay at Constan tinople, and the Austrian Government, foreseeing the very great dangers that would arise from delay, called to gether the representatives of the other Powers, the Minis ters of France, England, and Prussia, and proposed to take as a basis the note which had originated with the French Government, which, with some slight modifica tions, they proposed should be laid before the Goverment. of the Emperor and of the Sultan as a means of settling the differences. These modifications were, in the first isIAVAL INTELLIGENCE. MALTA, AUG. 5. An extra steamer from Constantinople has arrived 'This morning, bringing news from Besika Bay to the 30th ult., at which time the fleets were still lying there, and the men of both in high spirits. Sickness still con- tinned to prevail, but few cases had terminated fatally. As to the question which now agitates Europe, no new phase had occupied the corps diplomatique The return of the Caradoc from Marseilles was anxiously expected, as it is from the Courts of England and France that the solution of the question is anticipated. The prevailing opinion, however, is in favour of an amicable solution of the difficulties. The French line-of-battle ship Friedland is on shore near the Rabbit Island. Important news from Persia has arrived. The Shah has declared officially that, feeling the right of the Russo-Turkish quarrel to be with the Sultan, he should in case of war assist the Sultan. Letters from Trebizonde announce the Circassians to have obtained recent victories over the Russians. On the 3rd of July the Castle of Toprac Kale, with 220 pieces of cannon, was taken by Mohammed Bey, one of the lieutenants of Schamyl. PORTSMOUTH, AUG. 12. It is with much pleasure we record a most gracefu . act of Queenly condescension, on the part of her Ma jesty, towards the Admiral of the Fleet, Sir Thomas Byam Martin, G.C.8., which will be well understood after our remark upon that gallant officer, in our report of Wednesday last. On meeting the gallant veteran sailor on the upper deck of the Duke of Wellington, her Majesty shook him heartily by the hand and paid much attention to him, inviting him to return with her to the Victoria and Albert, where his flag (the Union Jack) was flying from the mizen. On board the Duke, her Majesty was graciously pleased to command that the Senior-Lieutenant •of the Fleet in Commission, and the Senior-Mate of the Fleet he promoted ; the former is Lieutenant George Mason (1827), First of the Victory, and the latter is Mr. H. E. Bacon, of the Prince Regent. But the eventful 11th of August, 1853, is still further to be commemorated by an Admiralty brevet, which, we believe, is now being ar ranged by their lordships, who left Portsmouth for town to-day. Her Majesty expressed her " great satisfaction" yes terday, on board the Duke, to Captain H. B. Martin, C. 8., commanding that "monarch of the fleet," at the state and efficiency of the ship. Her Majesty's officially expressed sentiments at the manner in which the events of the day were conducted are expected to be promul gated to-morrow in a " general memo," to the Fleet. The Wildfire steam-vessel, Second Master-Commander Brockman, sailed last evening on her return to the east ward. The Banshee paddle-steam-vessel, Lieutenant-Com mander Hoskin, sailed this afternoon for the westward. The Lizard and Zephyr paddle-steam•vessels sailed this afternoon on their return to the eastward. The Alfred, Indiaman, arrived at Spithead this morn ing from the Thames. • The Black Eagle, Admiralty steam-yacht, Master- Commander Pettey, came into harbour this afternoon and was placed in the south dock to have her bottom examined. The Vivid and Undine steam-packets, Master-Corn manders Smithett and Lyne, sailed this afternoon on their return to Dover. The Avon steam-tender, Master Commander Veitch, sailed this evening for Plymouth. The flag of Rear-Admiral Arthur Fanshawe C. 8., was retransferred from the Prince Regent to the Nep tune this morning at 8 o'clock, and the flag of Rear- Admiral Corry was retransferred from the Agamemnon to the Prince Regent at the same time. The Tribune, 39, steam frigate, Commander the Hon. S. T. Carnegie, removed her powder and shells this afternoon, and came into harbour in the evening to be docked. .4' .4' THE SUN, LONDON, SATURDAY EVENING, AUGUST 13, 185 3. lA/WE/UAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS—(YESTERDAY.) The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the woolsack at five o'clock. PETITIONS. The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH presented several petitions against the Merchant Shipping Bill. The Earl of ALBEMARLE presented a petition from the Bristol Chamber of Commerce, praying that both British and foreign vessels be required, under the Pi lotage Act, to pay the same amount of fees for pilots. Lord MONTEAGLE presented a petition from cer tain Parsee merchants, complaining of certain acts of the Government of India ; also, a petition from the Cor poration of Dublin, against ministers money in Ireland. PRIVATE BUSINESS. The Rochdale Improvement (No. 2) Bill. The following bills were a third time and passed : Cork and Bandon Railway (No. 2) ; Galway Improve ment ; Banbridge, Dublin, Newry, and Belfast Junction Railway ; South Wales Railway (Pembroke, &c.), South Wales Railway (Power to Purchase, &c.), South Wales (Deviation), Galway Harbour, and Severn Rail way Bills. SEIZURE OF A CHINESE JUNK AND MURDER OF HER CREW. The Earl of ALBEMARLE moved for copies of all correspondence and documents in 1851 and 1852, be tween the local authorities of Singapore and the home authorities, relating to an outrage in which a junk, or Chinese ship, belonging to Singapore, was plundered and her crew, to the number of 11, put to death under a pretext of piracy, by the Rajah of Trin ganee, a Malay prince, on the coast of Malacca. He expressed a hope that the Government would give every facility for the purpose of having these cruel outrages redressed. The Earl of GRANVILLE said the Government had no objection to the motion. The motion was then agreed to. RUSSIA AND TURKEY. The Earl of MALMESBURY—My lords, in accordance with the notice which I have placed on the minutes of the house, I rise to move for the papers which I have there mentioned, being the translation of two manifestoes pub lished in the St. Petersburg Gazette by the Emperor of Russia, and any answers which may have been made to those documents by my noble friend the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs. Your lordships may easily imagine that if I had been moved by any party feeling or factious motives, or even by any feeling of personal vanity in wish ing to present myself before your lordships to discuss so important a question as the present, I should not have chosen this late period of the session ; I should have ap peared before now to ask what had been the negotiations of the Government on the subject, and should not have waited till within a few days of the end of the session, when so few of my friends are in London to attend the house. (Hear.) Having myself had the honour of being in the position which my noble friend now holds, I thought, and still think, that every indulgence should be given to a Minister employed as he has been in commu nications upon a question of such momentous importance to the peace of Europe. I therefore, while, as your lord ships well know, I have at different periods asked ques tions of my noble friend as to the continuance and the re sult of these negotiations, have always bowed to his wish and that of the Government not to proceed to a considera tion of the whole matter in question, and not in any way to embarrass the Government, inasmuch as they led us to suppose that any premature discussion on the subject might possibly prevent that happy result which we all so anxiously desire. But, with respect to the papers for which I now move, I may truly say that they are not to be placed in the same category with negotiations and cor respondence carried on through the medium of despatches. (Hear.) Judging from the little experience I had at the Foreign-office, I can see no objection to the production of papers that are not correspondence, but which have been published to all Europe by the Emperor of Russia himself, in his own language, and especially as they have appeared in the language and in the public prints of France and England. I cannot, for the same reason, see why we should not have the answers which we understood the other night had been made by noble friend opposite to these mani. festoes of the Emperor of Russia. (Hear, hear.) Those manifestoes contain much than ought to be answered • they contain much that none of your lordships can assent to ; and, inasmuch as the French Government did answer immediately and ably those manifestoes, and inasmuch as two out of the three powers have publicly put forward their sentiments on the matter, I cannot understand on what ground the Government can stand up and refuse those documents to your lordships and the other House of Parliament. (Hear, hear.) I was told, when I formerly asked for these paper, that it was not the custom in this country to publish diplomatic correspondence in this way. It is perfectly true that diplomatic communications are for obvious reasons kept back until the Minister, in the exer cise of his discretion, thinks it right to place them on your table ; but, as I said before, these papers do not come within the category of correspondence ; and certainly there are precedents known to your lordships that would at once relieve my noble friend, who is anything but a pedant, from any pedantic pressure that might be laid on him by official custom. (Hear, hear.) In 1822, if lam not mis taken, when the entry of the French army took place into Spain, Mr. Canning immediately published a paper on the subject—l believe within 24 hours of the time when he received his information. And, going to a much later period, it is only a few months since Lord John Russell published in the newspapers of the day a despatch which he had sent in the case of the Madiai to the Court of Tus cany. Before I say one word more, I must observe that this question has certainly caused more public anxiety than anything that has occurred within the last 23 years. I must remind my noble Iriend opposite that after 38 years of peace, when the minds of wen have been turned so long to peaceful employments—to commerce and the arts of ci vilisation, we may perhaps feel somewhat more nervous than our forefathers, who were more accustomed to long wars and hostile alarms. We have had all the indications of the greatest possible apprehension in this country. There has been a great fall in the funds, and a great rise in certain provisions, while there has been a considerable hindrance to trade and speculation ; and I think the Go vernment ought to have left no means unemployed to allay the excitement that had been raised to so high a pitch. I believe, however, that that excitement and ap prehension have been very much increased by the con tinued and lengthened mystery which the Government has thrown over their operations and negotiations on this subject. (Hear.) This state of things may be said to have continued since the month of March; and here let me say, it was difficult for your lordships, as it was, indeed, for me to believe what had occurred, when you first saw those signs of aggression on the part of Russia, on our ancient ally—that most important country to us and to all Europe—Turkey. It was certainly a matter of great astonishment to every person here, who had for so many years placed the greatest confidence not only in the, honour of the Emperor of Russia, but also in the Conser vative policy on which he has long prided himself, and Which he had so emphatically proved during the revolu tions of 1848. (Hear.) No one could be more astonished than myself, for during the year 1852, when I held the office which my noble friend now holds, it was impossible for any sovereign or any court to show a more sincere in terest in the maintenance of treaties, and in those territo rial arrangements which have happily subsisted for so many years in Europe, than was shown by the Emperor of Russia. If there was one sovereign in Europe more than another, if there was one Government more than another, that impressed on me the importance of maintaining in violate these treaties, and that the present territorial ar rangements of Europe should remain uninfringed, it was the Emperor of Russia and his Government. (Hear, hear.) Not being in office I cannot follow out all the events so closely as my noble friend who is acquainted with them can, or enter into all their various details, but I cannot help thinking that I can account in a degree for what has happened. The Emperor of Russia, it appears, was deeply irritated at the conduct of the French Government with respect to the Holy Shrines in Palestine. That subject had long occupied my attention and that of her Majesty'a Government when I held the seals of office, and we left no opportunity untried of urging the French Government to a satisfactory and early issue of the unfortunate dispute. On the part of the French Government and the French Emperor we were met with assurances that .they were equally anxious to bring the dispute to an end, and that they would make no unreasonable demands, and just be fore my noble friend then at the head of the Government left office, the French Ambassador at Constantinople was changed, and a man of a singularly mild and conciliatory character succeeded to his place. But it appears that in the Emperor of Russia's mind what had passed had not been effaced. Although when M. Lacour bad repaired to Constantinople the question relating to these Holy Places was finally and satisfactorily settled, and although this took place before Prince Menschikoff arrived at Con stantinople, still it appeared that the impression on the Russian Government remained unaltered—that they were dissatisfied with the settlement of the question, and still suspected, or pretended to suspect, the Turkish Govern ment of wishing again to impose upon them conditions which they bad no right to impose. It is not for mortal to read the human mind ; but your lordships are aware of the traditional policy imputed to Russia, and therefore it is impossible to divest oneself of the idea that the Russian Government might have conceived the moment had arrived which a large portion of the Russian population has for many generations looked forward to as a predestined epoch, at which they were to march upon and obtain posseasion of the capital which their Sovereigns have long coveted. If that' feeling was shared by the Emperor of Russia and the members of his Cabinet, I think it was because they were not restrained from yielding to the fatal temptation presented by the course of events which had previously oc curred. When the Queen's late Government was in office, s our policy was much canvassed and criticised on many , points, but there was one point, one against which an un remitted shower of censure was directed by that portion ' of the press which represented, or appeared to represent, the opinions of the late Opposition. The Opposition news ' papers of the day especially assailed the foreign policy of Lord Derby's Government during the whole time of their continuance in office—l mean that part of our foreign METROPOLITAN COMMISSION OF SEWERS.—Yesterday, policy which related to France. If there was one news a return to Parliament, obtained by Sir John Shelley, paper which exceeded another in constant abuse of the M.P , was printed of the names of the officers and per. policy which prompted ire to maintain a close and candid sons . now employed by the Metropolitan Commissioners alliance with France, it was a newspaper supposed by the public—l know not with justice—to be peculiarly con of Sewers, the offices they have held and now hold, the 11ectedtnd which i ately associated b with that part of the than then its and was; has s re s te ce ratedfor a its talents salaries discharged, now paanidd, attendancethe datesof appointment o e i n n e r ent Commissioneran d t he duties of!Opposition Sewers, at each meeting of the commission from the Istformed most important portion of numbers,the present Administration. That newspaper of January, 1852, to the 7th ult. The return extends and others continually taunted us with what they called to 14 folio pages. The secretary has 8001. and 1001. in our subservient and cringing policy to the French Empe lieu of apartments vacated by him. There are fourteen ! ror. I, personally, was assailed with constant abuse, and commissioners and only one is paid. There are a great e s y n e u n a V e bttl i drT il on this point ;thatd, it was broadly in trust, thrTl.h e r: liewsers I was unfaithful to and many persons in the employ of the commissioners, and i blindedes the feelings of an En k ,lishman, and was altogether their names are set forth, with the amount of salaries. personally moved by such oirserurvealaettkanrsd,initarywopuealvdretibtaelsitsylo;atfivosr. ACCIDENT AT THE PRINCESS'S THEATRE.—Last even- a foreign nation and aby my ing, during the representation of " Sardanapalus," in factory to me to observe that subsequentlf I could have been the grand opening procession, in which the King makes his entrée drawn by a pair of cream-coloured horses, the proved that the policy the late o• , nment pursued n iu leg of one we nt down through a trap on the stage, and cementing a close alliance with the new dynasty in France Mr. Kean nar rowly escaped being thrown out of the w as of the utmost importance to this coun try. I ha ve had chariot. I n th e co nfusion caused by the horses' plunging t he satisfaction of seeing the o p ponents of ou r pol ic y —the upwards of 100 persons being on the stage, one of the now epapers—declaring an intimate allian ce w ith F rance t o ladies of the ballet fell through' the opening, butt for- be not only paramount i most useful, but of mportance— ' tunatel escaped with a few slight bruises. 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