The Sun. — London, England, 1853-07-08 00:00:00

BEWARE OF DANGER AND DEBT. From, the (Russian Gazette at) Times. By way of set-off against the novelty, the excitement, the enterprise, the popularity, and the possible glory of a war with Russia, let us just sit down and count the cost. We would shut up the naval pewee of Russia in the Black Sea and the Baltic by costly fleets at both stations--steam always up, wind and water having t'aeir Way. We could easily enable Turkey to make a despe rate fight by enormous subsidies. We could protect our commerce from Yankee privateers and other free and easy gentlemen who would take out letters of marque from Russia, by a recurrence to the old system of merchantmen sai'ing like two wild geese in flights, with a frigate or two leading the way. We could suspend the whole foreign commerce of Russia, by a process which would double the price of our corn, hemp, and tallow. We could engage half the Conti nent on ou- side of the quarr.d, by surrendering every other question of honour, duty, or interest we happen to have with each separate State. Are could prolong the war indefinitely by another national debt. We could stop it at our pleasure by allowing Russia to take all she wants, with a little over for demurrage. With propor tionate brib es• we cou ld secure t h e conc urrence 0.. other nations. On the other hand, all the nations of Europe would be bankrupt, their principal creditors being in this metropolis. Their manuiaetures and commerce would be reined, to the injury of those who consume what they make and make for them in return. We are all so bound together that it is hard to say whether in mate rial consequences we should saffer more by victory or by defeat. It is our unhappiness to have the largest stake in peace of all nations on the face of the earth ; and so long as we stick to that game we are sure to win. The most orthodox war ever fought is only an Irishman's row, a game of cracked skulls and b:oody ncses ; very amusing to those whose clothing. is of little value, and whose natural integument is rather hard, but far from amusing to a gentleman who his paid five guineas for his coat and whose face is susceptible of contusions. There is not a point in which that immense glass house which we call the British empire is not liable to damage. " A man that hath children," says B acon, " hath gie en pledges to fortune." We have children • we have colo nies ; we have d e p en d encies ; we have ships • we have investments, loans, railways, private debts, all over the world. By dint of hard peace-making we menage to keep our creditors in tolerable order: They pay, as an omnibus horse does its work, by the momentum of its misery, by being kept in harness, well up, and con tinually flogged. Once give them the oppoi tunity of war and that general dissolution of morals that is sure to ensue, and every quarter day will add to your defaulters. A" this, of course, is very extraneous to the real merits of the present question. Those merits we do not here discuss. But we have known people who in pi ivate !le went to law, or, rather, resisted actions, when the right was most clearly on their side, and when the verdict was given accoyd'egly ; but who, neveieheless, lost thereby both in purse and in fame, having to suffe: much annoyance, to pay large costs, and to incar r'eo the reputation of being litigious and troublesome fe"ows. Itat which happens in the regular and genial atmosphere of English society, and wider the pure and impecceble administration of Eng lish justice, way easly happen in the society and for am and arena of nation:—viz., that the prosecution of the justest quarrel may entail a ma; Lyr's obloquy and cross. This is no reply to the rights of the question, nor is it a reply to any sober invest'gation or calculation what • ever. There what and whom do we address ourselves to ? To those who take a cheer'nl, a humorous, or an e nthusiastic slew of this very grave question; who seem to think that the work may be done simply by England and France putting themselves into a hostile attitude by the side of the hapless and helpless Mussul nlan. Certainly we have the money and the ships, the s ea, and a gre a t d ea l more on oue side ; but all' the Money, all the ship", and al lie sea in the world, can not prevent Russia ceom doing what she is now doing —taking occupation of the Danubian pro vinces. If we proceed to hostilities now, it must be to stop this process, and we might as well attempt to stop the north wind in its passage from Russia to the Mediterranean. It is a confessed fact that those Russia, and semi-barba rous p ro e ' nees are at the mercy of Itussia, and their occup .tion is as much at her will as the issue of an edict or the assampdoe of a title. When We absolute Power can pretend a colourable right by treaty, though only a and when it appears to be assumed that the military occun: ion of these provinces is only the preliminary of a nego:'3l. - oe, we way see that our immediate inteCeeence would only give a questionable argument an inevitable triumph though the argument were only in words a,nd the ; riumph in deede. When Russia has tak en this offensive and costlystep then begins the tussle both of words and of deeds, when Turkey will be able to interpret treaties at the Z - kar, and we at the Hel lespont. Long ere that, if we mist ke not—long before actual collision—ma;lers v.; 1 1 he arranged between these two unequal r eighbo - rs, if not on the footing o: equality, at least without an utter wreck of credit and power to the we^,ker party. Russia would consu':; her interests as little as her honour by preraing onwards in the face of a people as mike, y and as fanatic as herself, and in the face of the pub'ic opinion of Europe. Russia can not, indeed, be "crumpl - d up" by an angry threat or an id'e brag; but, on the other hand, she can do but little beyond her own soil, except in co-operation with other Powers. We are not unawa-e that some other rat'ier audacious - 1 1 ,ulations have been pe rm itt e d t o at; itch themselves this sufficiently disagreeable subject. Should things Com e to that pawl that England and France, haying bbacked up Turkey so far, were bound to prove th e i r et our b y r rtna ; in a word, should the re b e a genera l war aideeen Ru ss i a an d we k now not what powers on one , and E ng l and, France, Turkey, and we know not ',iv:let Powers on the other side, ther, it is confidently , anticipated that Poland and Hungary, true to their na tuna- ture and traditi ons , wou ld th row t h emse l ves i nto the e l6 e, and England would find herself in a lli ance offen ;L ° and defe ns i ve w ith th e T ur k , L ou i s Napoleon, allies we add ?—Lo r i s Koseuth, against our old ;Ts, the Absolutist P owers . All this is intelligible, that me-ns improbable, 5 . 4 : we once rushed into war IDlrloth love for the sport which seems to animate some The whole sequence of events is R 9 plain, even a tner, than one i s lik e l y t o rea d i n t h e perplexed and ephisticated page of histove We should have to pay enormous and repeated subsicl'es to the Turk, the Mag yar, and the Pole. A British war st - emer—the Styx, GoCerberits, or the Pluto— w o u ld t a k e th e H ungarian uovernor, fresh from a visit to Windsor Castle, to some port or other, if there is one, NA ithin a thousand rnil^s of his country. Whether a pal ty of rnar'nei would es:ort hire into the interior, or whether the Magyar Chief would make the attempt with that force, we will not ventur e to anticipate. Doubtle-s, with such materials to work upon, and with the British Treasr-y and Mr. Gladstone's financial Hobgoblin to assist, the work would be hot and the example very catching. Italy would once more form the carcase that the Russiar, the Austrian, and the French Eagle contend for, with the British Lion to stand by. Happily for the cause of hu neanity, there are nations that would keep out of the serape —e. y., the United States. But there is not a "Mate of the Old World that we could answte• for in the ne ighbourhood of such a conflayafon as would then be 1 ;. 418 ed. If th e war b e reccssary .elr safety or for honour, sdo not shrink ...cm the awful prospect. Why else sa . ;:'; ‘ ,.vast standing a rmamen ts? But if our inter es t i s co I n i'`tful that poste r ity, e epec'elly a suffering posterity, eoli g:t deny it &together, we do recoil from these terrible et• ieNuences, and ask from our own countrymen some telat i t() , , ea ne consi *deration which we have been preach *, (0 others. INVERNESS AND PERTH RAILWA Y. it will be observed from the re solutions published in another column that two ex Vent and most grat'fying meetings in suppoi;; of this scheme were held last week at Weem and Rinvssie on the 29th and 30th ult. These meeVngs were attend - 3 by E. W. M ac ki ntos h , E sq , of Raigmore and Peter .A leler..on, Esq., on behalf of the promors of the lit 1, by whom ample details as to the cost of oarsrctioa and probabi'itiel of success were submitted. At the W-em mee,ing a' - nost every pro prietor in the district attend( t. l , and it was remarked that when the Scotch Central Railway was started, ranch greater doubt of its s.u- _less was expressed than 'what seemed to be entertarir as regard s the projected line. Among those present were :—Sir Robert Men zies of Menzics, Bart., who presided ; Mr. Menzies of Chesthol ; Mr. Stewart of Dallechin ; Mr. Menzies of Xildares ; Strowan Robertson ; Mr. Robe: ..son St ew ,. o f Dercullich ; Mr. Wylie, Bolfracks, Commissio ner for the M arquis of Breada lb ane ; Mr. Menzies, Tii;ni MrMr. Macdonald, Lassintelloch ; Mr. Archiba'd Camp.e , Carrisent4 ; Mr. Cunningham Perth, for Sir and for R. William D. D. Stewart of Murthly, Bart.,. gill'wie, barker, S. Fleming, of Killichassie • Pitlochry ; Mr. Stewa - , Fa M rla r y . e M re a ; c- Mr i . Connachar, distiller, Pitloch ry ; Mr. Peter and Mr. Rankin , ba nk e r s , Aberfeld y; Mr. Kennedy, distiller and farmer, Bal l e chin . A. subscription towards preliminary expenses was opened, a nd., several handsome contributions were made. At the ikingussie meeting, Cluny Macpherson presided, and spoke at considerable 4 -4 length in support of the project, as did . 8 ° Major Macpherson, Falls of Truim and theßev. jr. fGDuncan rant . There were present breakachy esid Mr. Fleming, :—Captain • la vanc tor for Si r George Macpherson Grant, and his tutor ; ir. Robertson, tacksman of Banchor ; Mr. Malcolm 44Q aePherson, ; Mr. Donald Macdonald, ' lli rrainor e • Mr. James Macpherson, Nuid ; Mr. Dun can Shirrabeg ; Mr. Duncan Macpherson, jun., b anker • Mr. William Mackintosh, m erc h an t ; D r . enuedy ; Mr. Neil Kennedy ; Mr. Hobb, innkeeper ; vul • Macrae, w.iter, King assie ; Mr. Gordon, Lyn Mr. Mackintosh, Dell . of Rothiemurchrg ; and 171.1. r. Goodsir, Doune of Rothiemurchus, besides a num ,er of the villagers. The attendance would have bean F o re numerous but for the arrangements in the country °l' s heep-spearing, presence of so many, in eat which this important avocation, shows the in teeat which is so generally felt along the proposed l'ne. e gentlemen present put down their names for local vgtubscriptions, and what is still more important, all. the ° flouts signed an agreement in so far as they are con reerned to accept the annual value of the land required °r the works without any charge for severance, due l'iaing made for coirmunication by crossirgs, a'l pro relative questions to be determined by arbitration, the / cPense thereof to be paid by the promoters or company. t is to be hoped this excellent example will be generally followed by the tenantry eong the line ; and it would be well also were the plan taken up with equal spirit a nd enthusiasm in other places.—lnve, cress Adveraser. Cg-- to -AMAX ELECTION.—A petitio n aga i nst the last re rn for Chatham has been prepared, and will be pre sented this evening. From circumstances that have conle to the k now l e d ge o f th e Lib era l party, there is no doubt that bribery of the grossest character was carried on at the last election, and its exposure is believed to be ce rtaill and complete. MONEY MARKET AND COMMERCIAL INTELLIGENCE-(THIS DAY.) "Advices from Australia are unfavourable as - regards the 14 Gold Companies. We have seen l e tt ers strongly urgi'.g 50 the immediate sale of shares iz these under talOngs, upon 20, the grorids that they are all spending money without any 11 14 : prospect of doing good." The English funds, which exp er i ence d a ser i ous re- St. St. vulsion yesterday al.".ernoon, after the official hours of 20 business, Consols being forced down to 07, 4 upon 10 rumours of Lord Aberdeen's resignation, have recovered St. this morning, and have varied from 97i to 98. The 50 present quotation is 971 There are still strong hope: 40 of peac3 being maintained, and fresh negoci%tions rre 25 stated to have been entered upon.. The New Three- 25 and-a-Qinr ter per Cents, hav e b e e n quo t e d 1001 to St. 101, and the Three per Cents. 981 t. Bark Stock B d e has been dull a t 2281 t o 2291 . S outh Sea Old Annui- St. ties have been steady at 100 g. Exchequer B'lls have 50 remained at Is. to 45.,. and India Bonds at 255. 25 premium. 100 Foreign Securities have been rather buoyant. Poi.- St. tu,guese 4 per Cents. have been in request at 401 :o 411. 64 There appear to be hopes that the Commissioner now 25 here will be enabled to offer some terms more satisfac- 50 tory to th e cre d i t ors th n those lately put forward, but 20 no reduction of capital can be submitted to. Spanish St. Deferred Bonds have keen heavy at 22/, and the 3 per 50 Cents. at 46. St. Railway Shares are all flatter than they were yester- 16 day morning, but have recovered from the nominal de- 16 pression of last evening when the fends declined. The 8 transactions have been very limited, and pr'ncipally in 8 Caledonian, Lancashire and Yorkshire, York and 20 Berwick, and East ern C oun ti es . F rench Shares are 20 10 neglected, • The Gold Mine Shares ha ve b een very viet, and are St. depressed. In the Joint Stock Bank Shares there have EL. been but . few bargains. Et. The Shares of the Land Companies are fluctuating, St. and the unfavourable view taken in Sydney of the pro. St. oerty of. the Australian Agricultural Company causes t'iem to lale heavy. 10 BRITISH FUNDS THIS DAY AT ONE O'CLOCK' ( From the Oficial List.) Business done. Bank Stock ......................... ........... 2293 83 3 per Cent. Reduced Annuities .. 983 3 per Cent. Consols Annuities 97d 8 a d New 31 per Cent. Annuities lOOl. 1 Long Annuities, Expire 5;,h Jan., 1860 5 13-16 Ditto 30 Years, Expire sth J an ., 1860 55 9-16 India Bonds, £lOOO .... Ditto, under £1000.... South Sea Old Ann uities Consols for Account Exchequer Bills, Id. £lOOO £5OO 1 4 p Small 1 4 p PRICE OF FOREIGN FUNDS AT ONE O'CLOCK. Austrian Bonds, 5 per Cent. Brazilian Bonds, 5 per Cent Ditto New, 1852, 43 per Cent 9B} Eqnador Bonds Grenada Bonds, Deferred Greek Bonds, R e d Mexican 3 per Cent. Ditto for the Account Portuguese Bonds, 4 per Cent, Russian Bonds, 5 per Cent. Ditto, for the Account Spanish Bonds, 3 per Cent 46 Spanish New Deferred, 3 per Cent. 221 Ditto Passive (Conve r t e d) Spanish Committee Cc of Coup. not Swedish Lori Venezuela Bonds, 33 per Cent. 3Bl Ditto Deferred, 1 per Cent l5 Dividends on the above payable in London. Dutch Exchange, 21 per Cent. Ditto 4 per Cent. Certificates 963 6 25 100,i D7g 8 n 261 7 41 4 li xd xd PC P HALF-PAST TWO. Consols for Opening 19th July 97i i x d UNIVERSITY INTELLIGENCE. CAMBRIDGE, JuLy 7. M.A. COMMENCEMENT, 1853. . At a Congregati on h o ld en thi s d a y th e f o ll om .ng degrees were conferred : Do:t ps of 7Divinity. —Join W'lson, Catherine Hall; Henry Cole, Clare Hall. Afastees of A: brick C 33rge lsnm, College ' • David Craig, St. J o ls-i's C o "ege ; G. Q. H ea d , Corpus Christi College; H. D. Smug:. , Corpus Christi Co' ege • William Watson, Co: ‘ ,A s Christi Colleze ; Rich :ad Morton, Cather' - te Ha". At the same Congreg: ion, the under-ment'oned gentle men were talmitbd 1 eund :m Constant' - i3 Estlin Pritchard, A.M., Brl"ol Coll , - ;•e, Oxon; Thos. Wbitakel• Nowe'', A.M., Brr-enole Co"ege, Oxon. At the same Congregation the followin; gra. 3p. 1 the Senate : 1. Dr. Coler 1, of St. John's College, bei-1 about to proceed to Natal rs bishop of that :,e, to return to him the fees and cautior s p 'AI to the IT] 'versity chest on the occasion of his taking the degree of Dcctor in Livinity per sal turn. 2. To appoint Mr. Wolshnholine, of Christ's College, deputy proctor, in the absence of Mr. Clark. LANCASTER RACES, 10 (THIS DAY.) 59. (BY ELECTRIC TELEGRAPH.) ORDER OF RUNNING. 2.3o—Vale of Lune Handicap. 3.3o—Revival Handicap. 4. o—Her Majesty's Plate. 4.3o—Borough Stakes. ARRIVALS. Vale of Lune Handicap —Sir Robert, Patience, Game boy filly. Revival Handicap—Lerrywheut, Black Doctor, Little Davie, Remuner a t or , Allegro, Cleveland, Bold Davie, Lough Bak n. ENTRIES. Her Majesty's Pl a t e , t wo m il es —R emunerator, Mug- 5500 tang, Trifle, Red Lion, Chief Justice, Lerrywheut, Soly- 2 man, Allegro, Missive, Deerhound, Killarney, Little lop Mary, Happy Joe, Little Davie, Patience. All here but 1 Solym an . 1 Borough Stakes--Emperor, Bold Davie, Little Mary, 25 Baron Orsy, Mustang, Killarney, Happy Joe, Patience Deerh oun d . 100 Trifle has gone home. CITY, TWO O'CLOCK. Tho sales of cotton at Liverpool yesterday were es.. mated at 7,000 bales of which 1,500, were taken for export. The sales include 5,000 American, 150 Per nam and Maranham at 64c1. to 711., 100 Bahia at 61d., St 1,000 Egyptian at 61d. to 10d., 500 Surat at 3-1-d. to 20 4id., and 50 Sea Islands at ls. 10d. to ls. 11d. per lb. The market closed firmly but with much on sale. Rai'- 13 way Shares were inactive at lower prices. In the Colonial Markets this week a moderate busi- 31. ness has been transacted, but the supply of most staples being ample prices have been rather favourable to the 27 buyers. The reduced duty on foreign sugar has come into ore:at:on. C o ff ee has gone off without spirit. 0 2 Tea has been fi rm an d i mporters are disinclined to sell gt st. except at high prices. Saltpetre has realised very all 50 rates. In cotton not much has been done. Rice, pri- 50 vately, has been dearer and in request. Tallow main- 20 tains the advance. The Indigo sales commence this day, 50 and rather over 13,000 chests are to be offered. 25 The amount of bills which the East India Company drew upon it s E as t ern possess i ons dur i ng the fortnight g to last e ven i ng was, 720,3331. 14s. 4(1., of which is 62 8,630/. 13s. 2d. were on Bengal, and 1001. on Bombay. 20 The following remarks upon English mines are from 25 the circular of Messrs. J. S. Tripp and Co. : " The good dividend mines in Carnwall have been more 25 in request, though the recent fall in the prices of metal 25 has very much interfered with their profits. The West St. Providence managers in their report just issued to the shareholders state, 'that in consequence of tFo fall in tin, 50 which amounts to 141. per ton less than last quarter's a> St. count, on 62 tons amounting to 868/., they are prevented 10 from giving more than 21. per share, but should our pros- St. poets continue as at present, we have every reazon to St. believe, from the advanced price and improvement in the St. western levels, they will resume their former dividends of St. 21. 10s. per share.' This is a fair illustration of the effect St. the fall in the standard has had upon most dividend mines. St. "English mines at first would be gre: ly depressed, but St. as the demand for metal is gene7ally very good, and as 12 foreign supplies would be checked, we believe a 1.5 e, rather 50 than a fall, would be the result, and that good English 16 i mines will ma'ntain their prices better than any other St. public scamities. 20 RAILWAY TRAFFIC RETURNS. SCOTTISII CENTRAL RAlL WAY.—Traffic return for the week ending July 3, 1853 ................. i 2,224 15 11i Corresponding week last year 2,052 6 9 WATERFORD AND year R AlLWAY.—Traffic return for the week ending July 2 (29 miles) ~,,.,,,. 166 8 3 Corresponding week last year (13 miles) ......... 6 5 8 SYDNEY--THE PEEL Rivi u " --- The Sydney journals the inflated views entertained i n t h received by the Chusan contain s me remarks a ga i ns t ic,atuiscountry at th e en d Co Peel River ma n n y . of last year of the value of the depo s it s on belonging to the Australian Agricultural well as some calcu lations remarks, however, seem to hav e b een can p ed for di that the Peel River company s udit u r l a .n l ed the out to b e " thr ee h rndrcd acrest b h y ou a sa s n t d atenit on the en lations showing the exhaustless millions that thi s di strict an immense field of gold, which, must produce at anlaverage of so much gold dust per foot, appeared about that time time in some o: the London periodicals. As regards any statements m a d e by the company, nothing Cu been put forward which has not been fully borne out by the evidence of the officials employed by the local Government, the repel t of the Rev. Mr. Clarke, the correspondence from the mines, for which the Sydney papers are themselves 7re sponsible, and the a u th en ti ca t e d f ac t that the peop c of New South Wales were extremely anxious to get upon the lands by paying the ordinary licence fee, and were only prevented by the employment of force. THE STRIKE AT MANCHESTER.—The police have a 2• cepted the 2s. per week advance offered by the Watch Committee at Manchester, and wore formally re-engaged and re-sworn on Thursday morning. The operatives of Messrs. Poolley, 350 in number, have received a satis factory advance and resumed work. The other factory operatives still on strike in Manchester are those of Mr. George Clarke, 80 ; Mr. S. Turnbull, 350 ; Messrs. Penny and Wood, 200 ; Messrs. Wood and Co., 80 (throwing out of employ 180 others) ; and Mr. W. P. Clarke, 25. About 62 are going to strike at Mr. Daniel Clarke's. Messrs. Douglas, dyers, have given thoe'r men (150) the advance required, but there are still about 500 dyers belonging to other firms on strike, THE F STN, LONDON, FRTDAY EVENING, JULY B, 1853, SHARE MARE rs.—(T_HIS .114 Y.) impERIA. BRITISH AILWAYS. went. But it occurred to him that in the present state of affairs 2 - a expression opinion by the British Parlia ment could not fal to - wive a great effect. In with drawing his notiLe it must be underaood that he did so only on the supposition that the ne'7ce which bad been given in the other house of Parliament would be like wise withdrawn. (Hear.) Notwiths;, 71(1in what had been said, hi s opirion remained unchangee, that at this critical moment the expression of opirion by the two Houses of Prrliament, and the sense of firmn—a which would an'mate, as he cozod see from . :he organs of pub lic opinion, every man in this country, in Parliament and out of Parliament, the expression of that firmness of opinion —and he did not wish to insinuate a doubt as to the feeling of the Government—would not be without considerable weight. He did not wish to encourage feelings of hostility, bat he tho:ght it would tend to effect a set''ement of the question, and if that were not effect it 'right lead to a general war, such as, thank God, had not Wien place s;nr e 1815. Under the cir cumstances, however, rather than incur the least pos sible risk, he would beg permission of their lordships to withdraw his motion. Earl FITZWILLIAM was desirous of asking his noble friend the Secretary for Foreign Affairs, whether a document, a copy of whi c h h e h e l d i n his hand, was believed by his noble friend to be authentic, and whether it wag in the poss: -sion of the Government ? It was dated from St. Petersburg, the 14th (26+%) June. It said that ever since his Imperial Majesty had occupied the throne of his fathers, the maintennnce of the holy obligations had been the object of his care ; and it con• eluded with these remarkable words :—"lf, through stubborness and blindness it desired the contrary, then, calling God to our aid, we shall leave him to decide between us, and, with a full assurance in the arm of the Almighty, we shall go forth to fight for the orthodox faith." This was a most extraordinary document, and he was desirous of knowing whether her Majesty's ministers had reason to believe it to be authentic or not? The Earl of CLARENDON bad only to say that he Majesty's Government had received the document from her Majesty's minister at St. Petersburgh. It was for warded without comment, as having been published on the day on which it was sent ; end they bad no further information on the subject. He believed there were one or two points in which the . : rarslation had not been very accurate, in the copy to w hi c h th e no bl e earl had re ferred.. The concluding words, which he bad read, "we will go forth to fight for the orthodox faith," he believed should be rendered, "we will go "orth in defence of the orthodox faith." He believed, generally speaking, how ever, that the co p y to which the noble e. cl bad referred was correct. (Hear, h ear.) The Earl of MthaMESBURY would like to be assured that the Government would do all they could to prevent the proposed discussion in the other house on Monday next. If the Government would give au assur ance he should be satisfied. The Earl of ABERDEEN said it was imrosaible to give an assurance. A l l that they could do was to exer cise any inSuen s which they posse": - 1, and they would do their utmos. (He 7; hear.) The Marquis of CLAW-`-GARDE—And if that in fluence should fail, I am to be at l iberLy to bring on my motion here at the same time. WILSON'S (HAMPSTEAD) ESTATE BILL. Lord COLCHESTER moved the second read'nz. This was a strictly private b' alfhow.Th it lied been looked upon as a pub"c ore, and as l'keiy to lead to the inclosure of Hampsteati-11 , - ,:- .1 1. He beiggr 3, however, to assure their lordships that it was not intended b in close any land, or to stop up any roads whatever. In deed, the ?Al contained no such powers, its sole object being merely to give the pre._ent owner th 3 power of granting leases for a greater length of t'n3e than he was at present able to do. The portion of the heath to which the bill referred was not that which was frequented by the public. He (Lord Colchester) should pro'cest as strorgly as any ir , in against any attempt to interfere with the enjoyment of the people. The Earl of SHAFTESBURY said the bill had already been thrown out fot'r timer, and he trusted there was pending over it that evening a fin and final rejection. Its objet;; was to alter the will of the late lord of the manor, Sir T. M. Wilson ; and though bills for a situ'lar purpose might n some instances be allow able, it was the duty of their lordships not tn consent to them unless the plea of public expediency had been fully made out. In the present instance, however, be thought that this bill would be extremely prejudicial to the public interests, and therefore he should say "not con tent" to the second reading. The Earl of WICKLOW suppoi tea the bill. The LORD CHIEF JUSTICE should repeat the vote he had given in 1845 against the b;11, which had also been strongly condemned by his distlnp, oishcd pre decessors, Lord Denman and Lord Tenterden. A will ought always to be earlied out except where the c'-cuna stances had so changed as to lead to the presumption that i` the testctor were alive he would himself make a different disposition of his p:operty. In the present case, however, the Jab Sir Thomas Wilson, white allow- ing his son to grant leases of ninety-Tire years on his other estates, expressly forbade it in the present in stance. (Hear, hear.) Lord REDESDALE thought this a very bard case. There was not a single town in England where a person possessed property that the individual did not come to the house and ask for power to grant leases, and where they did not give him the power, The qu^stion was, whether the late Sir Thomas Wilson would, if he were now alive, have granted leases of this estate ; rid ho was of opinion he would. The will was dated in 1806, and he afterwards wade codicilc, giving building.powers in Charlton, where his mansion W.W. It was a false thing to say this was the enclosure of Hampstead-heath, for no one but Sir R. Wilson had a eght to go over it. Whether there were any c i rcume9ncer, - room its being near London, that would induce them not to grant building powers, A would be for thorn to say ; but they had grand similar powers in respect of Tyburnia, where it was as essential to keep an open space as at Hampstead. The Marquis of CLANRICARDE supported the bill. The case arose entirely from this gentleman Laing in an a ivanced stage of and the estate being entailed col laterally. It W 8 '3 in Ws power at this moment t 3 Precut a mansion on the estate. Lord COLCHESTER paid if the bill went to a second reading, Sir Robe' t Wilson was williwr to s+ ike out that portion of it which would give power to bul'd on the heath itself. Their lord9l 4 ps then e;licled For the second re: lir 3 Agehist it Majoriiy against SOAP DUTIES BILL. On the order of the day for the third reading of this The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH raid when t'lle b Paid. RAILWAYS. Sir. 2 6 - 26.?, 100 I %berdeen Imbg Nottn:T. Bo and Eastn. all Birming. Wolverh I Stour Valley 28 3irkenhd. Lancsh. Cheshire Juncl..„ all Do. Chesb. & Birk £5O and £25 Cors. 20 22 18 ..... 34 2} 100 Bristol and Exete lOO 101 100 Caledonian 67 —67 i all Chester & Holyhea 224 all Cork and Bandon.. 204 2 1i1 all Cork, Bla?1, & P-ss 45 Dr - t - ".u&r - 'fastJr.eQ all Dun 13e Perth&Abe cue ai -ne.Von 5 / 5 91- 10j 9 7 disl 2,i - iii,l 8 - 9 5 - J.. 12g - all Do. Ne all Ea- si A - - al Do., (XIS E II). all Ear , all Ea ern Union, Ch". A. late E. U. Sh... 83 Do., do .. all Do.. B. and C 109 East T.Anca:_hiro Eaf k.W3st Ind. L all & June 100 Edilburgi:a Glasgc 1A Mi - 11.). and Feeble-, 100 Edin. Prth. 100 Glasgow&S. Weste _••• 100 Great Northern Sr 85 853 100 Do., A . Stock Zi3 " 55 100 )0., B. Stock ' ' ; 135 100 Gt. Sth. &West.(i ) 110 100 G. at Western BB4 88;1 11 [rich Solth-Easterd 7i —7; all Lancasi.e , ! & Carlis 'OO 105 Do., Thirds 100 Lancash.andYorksl 761 16 Do., Fifths 4— 11) D , Wst. Riding UT 3 3 all Leeds Northern Pt , 1 all Liv.Crsby.&Southp -1 all London Blackwa Ea 0 5 Lom.. Til " - Stheno 1i —2): 100 Lond.BrigiS.Cs 034 104 100 Loud. and N. Weste..l4l .1.144 1 12 Do. Fifths 1 Do.lo/.5h.,M&8..„( 1 100 LondonandS. Westn, 89 90 423 Do., £5O. - 43(1 , 34 Do., £4O 44 gld all Lnndrry&Colerair 11 13 all Lnrhadrry.& Enni.dc 18 20 100 Mr teh.She" .`!`3 29' 4i .Do., Man. & Lin. Un ..‘' 100 Midland 100 Do.Birmi , &Derb,- 40 42 47A %did. G. 't est. aro., 174 Do. Half Shares all Newcastle & Carlisle . . 100 Newmarket — 57 34 Do., Bury Extension 4 4j) 17i Nwpt.Aberg.&,..lrti, , di 74 Newry :nuiskith- 2 - 3 all Nowry WarrenpoL: • and Ita:,; 100 Norfolk 3,' Northn.Countiel UJ 100 North Britifn 14 North Devoa, No. 9 Do., No. 2 all Do., A A Deterred, 6 Do., B Guarantee 171, Norta Staffordshire, all North Western 10 N. &S. Westrn. Jun? , IC3 Oxi'ord, Worcester, Wolverhampton 471 484 100 Scottish Central 92 94 100 Scottish Midland 100 Shrewsbury er.Birm 58 62 100 Do. L. &N. Weste Guaranteed Stock. i 8 72 8 Size xsby. & Herel4 - Shrewsby. & Chest: (.q. W. Min.) lB4 193 all Do. Halves, d 0....., 9t all Do. Oswestry 134 143 6.' 'hro - nihire Union all' South Devon l9 21 100 South Eastern 394 70 all South Wales 551 364 15 S. Y, ksh. c Riv.. Du 13 14 all S:toe _ Lon el. - ITartlep' `!3 25 20 Thr •es :en Do: an Ra 21 w 17 Vale of all [Vat KilkPnr --9,1 all Waterforddrnimerie 32 14 Weep Corawall lO 103 21s. Win:l'ein & Croy(' 100 York.Newctl.&Bervc 38 69 20 Do. Extensions 8 —71 d 114 Do. C.N.E. Purcha 100 York &N. Midland_ 58 -- 59 11 - 11 71 - 72, 50 - 55 70 - 72 23 - 30 •,• 8 9 49 51 2jd 33 ... 34 .. -. ... - MTh .S. all Apia Fria 1 all Anglo Californian . 2 Australasian d par 5 Australian 2 -- 3.1 all Australian Cord;lle d y.ll all Austral!an Freehol, 3 d all Ave Maria — all Bade (Gd.Duchv ,uaden (f—,..t)uchyo all British Austen. Go), 13.5 British Iron 244 Brazilianlmp.(issue , at 115 pm 4 all Do. Comes Citiad 31 44 15 Do. St. John Del Re 34 —35 Carsons's Creek ..... . Ad— ip all Cobro Copper 1 Colonial Gold — llp 14 Copiapo lO4 1 4 01 Copper Min. of Eng. 60 70 all Do. Pref. 7; p. cent 7 8 p all English and Austin. 7 - 9 Copper Smeltg. Co 2 1 d all General l5 --17 all Great Nugget Vein 1 p all Great Polgooth 1 d all Lake Batherst.. all Liberty d all Lond.&Ca''forn.Goi, Quartz Crush. Co all Maequita i d— par 9 Mexicau&S.Amerim 7 8 all New Granada par— * p all Nouveau Mondo 1 --1 p 1 Port Philip 1 d pr - - all Quartz hock i d—. p all Rhymney Iron 26 28 15 Do. New 7 9 101 Santiago de Cuba 4l 51 all South Australian id— par 7 Tin Croft 8 —lO all United Mexican all Waller id i P all West Granada par— i p all West Mariposa g -1 d all Yuba — MISCELI 5 Aubin Coal awl 11, 35 AustrPlian Agricv 8 Austra l im.Pcific.M 6 A nstrain. Royal 3. 1 38/1 I Brit. Amer'can 1 Brit. & Coln. Smel and Reduction Cc 32?. Canada Company. 5 Crystal Palace 2 Crystal Pal, of Fran 1 Eas' Iru Steam 1 Elect lc YU!. of Ir 14 Gen. Steam Navig. 14 Ger eral Screw Stet 5 Trish Beetroot Suf . , 4 Via - lalena St. Nay . all Na Pt. 2 ale s Land,. all N. - 2. A - ntralasiAn . _ all Peel Rr. Li a Mir all Peninsular 25 Do. do, all Poll:7 , lnd Iron Co._ 60 Po:, 1 Mail Steam.. all ' , cc A ustral. In j Do. Ns,ar Sc 25 South Austral. 14,- all Submarine Telegr. 28k Van Diemen's La. NEOUS. ••• 68 - 70 ..• - ... C 8 - 70 68 - 70 21 - 3 p i - 1r d_ § p s P - it L - .*1 • - ... ... - .. 11 - 2 ••• - ... 4() -4,) 16i = ih, LLOYD'S SHIPP.. ,- 0.-(THIS DAY.) LONDON, July B.—Wind :s day at Noon, N. to N.B. ; light breeze, and fine, but udy at time-. There was a heavy storm last night of -1, thunder, and lightning, which commenc-d about ha" ,),Ist ten, and continued until about three this mining. DEAL, July 7.—Wind, 3.E. Sail:::—The whole of the outward bound, excsp he Georgia and the Duchess of Sutherland. DOVER, July 7.—Wind, ..S.W. .A re'ved—Palmetto, Boston, 'U.S., aft :r stonpin s leak. COWES, July 7.—Wind, S.?iled—Anna Lena, Ho bai Town. PORTSMOUTH, July 7.-1 ind, S.E. Sailed—Victoria, Adelaide, S.A. PLYMOUTH, July 7.-7 id, S. W. Arrived—Alicia, Quebec. Sailed—Fear-not. .abradore. FALMOUTH, July 7.—The 'orsvegen, London to Quebec, which put in here on the 3d - Ist. w:th damage, after being in contact, is dischargino. . SOUTHAMPTON, July Wind, S.E. Arrived —Alde baran, Quebec. FLEETWOOD, July 7.—Al .ved—ldas, Weymouth, N.S. HULL, June 7.—Wind, W.S.W. Airived—Lolland, Arranaichi. Sa l ed—lTran:' St. Domingo. Dunr,rx, July 6.—The A ?.e, from Nantes, put hero on the ad :nat. leaky, anti. :a dicharging; cargo slightly daiDa3-d. RISTOL, T.E. Arrived—En, St. John's. ICINGROAD, July 7.—Sa .d—Pathfinder, New York. L ; A. D zi rpi,tarA Q r ;- . Mlponn.—Arrived—.A , Sierra Leone ; Hobe, Quebec. jlr SU atli ND c E b ß i BELFAS, July 6.—W 'd, W. Arrived—Pomona, Quebec. ' -- e Wind, S. Sailed—Ellen, .•••,............... ,m, thi ß s i c omp a ny, R'lj''4 " hijeldelyeus'• . ANY. — t t A he sPe Lo c n ia d l o ra ll e rr et a i v il e g lTl o , f authorised the &rectors ..acede to th e p roposa l s o f t h e Birkenhead Dock Trust(' with regard to their several classes of bonded debt, a. b 3 a respect to the bonds agreed lw before Parliament in car :Reeonmdpeal,ny;he engineer, ex plainedprovisions granted the extent of the terations in the plans of the dock now proposed from , se lodged in 1850. These were such as will suit the creased rnd increasing size of the shipping. TAMENT. C •:)°:ng Prices I Business done Yesterday. this day. 1001 67 22 123 i ni 85A 54 13. q 5 88 1 I vni Pm 763 G 3 114 f 70i a 684 8 12 2 li 70 67i 9 76 HOUSE OF LORDS—(YESTEiLDAY.) The Loan CHANCELLOR took his seat on the woolsack at five o'clock. Lord BROUGHAM presented a petition from the Dundee Chamber of Commerce, praying fo: the assimi lation of the mercantile laws of the two cor :•des ; 2'30 petitions from the hands of different cotton spinning C thread manufacturing firms in Glasgow in favour of elle bill for the abolition of arrestment of wages for debt. RUSSIA AND TURKEY. Lord BROUGHAM wished to put a question to the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs ; and he begged to premise by stating that he had not had any commu nication whatever, direct or indirect, with his noble friend the Secretary for Foreign Affairs, or any other member of the Government, on the subject of the ques tion he was about to put. He should put the question entirely apart from them, but under a deep conviction of its importance in the present crisis of foreign affairs. A notice stood on the votes which had been given by a noble marquis for to-morrow night, and which, if made, must needs bring on a discussion of all which related to the present posture of affairs in the east of Europe. It was in most safe hands, whether he regarded the motives of his noble friend in bringing it forward, or the sound discretion under the control of which he was sure bad; but he wished to ask his noble :"riends opposite whether in the present posture of affairs no inconvenience, he might even say mischief, mil-ht possibly arise, he would almost say, might probably arise from such a discussion at this time. If, which heaven forbid, all negotiation was at an end, and a rupture was inevitable, then no mischief nor inconvenience could take place from a dis cussion. If, which heaven grant, negotiations were in such a state and posture that all difficulty and embar rassment was at an end, then again neither mischief nor inconvenience could arise. But if neither of those ques tions could be answered in the affirmative, then he would put it to his noble friend, the noble marquir, whi ther he would not act wisely by abstaining ( rem bring ing the subject before the house at present. (Hear.) The Earl of CLARENDON said it was perfectly cor rect that his noble and learned friend had not communi cated with him or any ether member of the Government on the subject of his question before he came into the house. In answer to his noble and learned feiend's question, as to the very grave subject which now agitated the public mind, and with respect to which his noble friend, the noble ins eerie, hal given notice for to-morrow, he could not say that there would be neither mischief nor inconvenience in the full discussion of that subject. (Hear, hear.) Unfor tunately, he could not say that negotiations bed arrived at that point, or that the matter was so near a settle ment as to render a discussion upon the subject com paratively unimportant; but he could say that negotia tions were going on, and that they most earnestly hoped that there might be a peaceful solution of the question --(hear, hear)—and he was sure that their lordships would be the last people in the country who would wish to do anything to prevent so desirable a result. (Hear, hear.) He entirely agreed with his noble and learned friend, that the question could not be in safer hands than that of his noble friend the noble marquis ; he was indeed indebted to his noble friend already, for having once or twice put off his motion of which he had given notice, and having, with his noble friend opposite, been content with such answers as he could give. He felt, after the great delay which had taken place in bringing this question to a solution, and the great interests con nected with it, together with the natural desire which existed, not only in their lordships' house, but through out the country, to possess all the information which the Government could safely give, he felt that ho could not again ask his noble friend to withdraw hi s iv , tion, but he must reserve to himself, in replying to it, to say nothing more than his public duty would allow, and more than that he was sure their lordships would not require. He therefore did not make any application to his noble friend to postpone his motion, and he should be ready to meet him to-morrow; but, as he was on his legs, he would take the opportunity of asking his noble friend whether he would object to postpone his motion until Monday next. It would be convenient to have the dis cussion in both houses at the same time, and Lord 3. Russell was so extremely unwell that it would be im possible for him to be in the House of Commons to morrow. He hoped, however, to bo there on Monday, Further than that, he must rely on the judgment and discretion of his noble f iend ; and he was sure that he would not press on any motion which might be prejudicial to the public interests. (Hear, hear.) The Earl of ELLENBOROUH said the noble earl who had just spoken, and the Government, must be de sirous of taking the first opportunity which they could take, consistently with the public interests, to make a full statement to the house, and if necessary to ask the opinion of Parliament on their conduct, or to ask for the support of Parliament. And if that was a fair conclu sion, from all that had procc:ded from the noble earl, he thought the noble marquis would exercise a sound discretion, and only leave in view the public interests, if he deferred not only until Monday, but generally, without fixing at present any day, the motion of which he had given notice for to-morrow. (Hear, hear.) He was so strongly impressed with the importance of that postponement, that it was his intention to have pressed the noble marquis generally to have postponed his mo tion. He could not think it deirable that any state ment should proceed .l'eom the noble marquise however temporary it might be, after which it would be impos sible for the Government to make any other than a par tial and maimed statement of the transactions that had taken place, and which must be unsatisfactoly to the country. And if they were to go beyond that, and dis close matters for the convenience of debate, which, in their opinion, ought to be kept concealed, public mis chief, and not advantage, would be the consequence. That which was stated in the last paragraph of the mo tion which the noble marquis intended to propose, it might be proper for them at some future pariod to de clare ; but there was judgment not merely in payieg the right thing, but in saying the right Wes- at the right time, and that time appeared eeitainly, at prezent, not to have arrived. Therefore he most earnestly suggested to the noble marquis that he should consider whether, in reality, it would be for the public advantage that either to-morrow, or on Monday, a discussion should be forced on the house upon a traneection of so critical a character, in which it was impossible that her Majesty's Ministers could, consistently with their sense of duty, make a full disclosure. (Hear ' hear.) The Earl of DERBY sa id the noble marquis had given his notice without consulting with any political pal Ly, or without reference to any political support he might have on the one side or the other, and after whet had been stated by the noble earl the Secretary o 7 State for Fo reign Affairs, it was hardly necessary that he should say that he, as well as the noble earl, was taken altogether by surprise at finding his noble and learned feend bring ing the question under the notice of their lordships. He was awaro of the intention of his noble f iend who had just sat down to make some suggestion ; and lie merely rose to express, with the noble earl, his hope that the noble marquis would be conten:e mawithstanivng the natural anxiety which he felt in common ith the coun try, to await the solution of tb's question, rnd God grant that it might be a pacific ono. (Hear, here%) He trusted that the noble marquis would be sa'tisfied for the present to leave the responsibility ye:Jere it must rest ; namely, on her Majesty's Government, and not embarrass them by calling upon them to make disclo sures which might be disadvantageoas to the public service, or be the means of b r i nging on a partial discus sion. He rose, however, not so much for the purpose of expressing his concurrence in the 'view taken by his noble fiend, as for the purpose of expressing a hope that if this course was taken in their lordships' house it might also be thought expedient to adopt a similar course elsewhere ; and he stated fiat bemuse the noble earl opposite had rested his ground of postponement on the necessity of a similar postponement takiug piece in the House of Commons until Monday next. Nothing could be more inconverient than to have the mouth of one of the housed of Parliament silent on the dberesion of a great question of foreign policy, and that a pai:ial and imperfect statement should be made in the other. He could not make an appeal to the hon. gentlemen who had given notice in the other house, but he could not but think that whenever the question was discussed, it was important that a debate should t ke place on the subject in both houses of Par l iament. Earl GREY said if he i:ghtly understood the et:Never of the noble earl to the question put to him by his noble and learned friend he re id that it was out of his power to deny that a discussion of this sort would not be attended by mischief and inconvenience. Re thought, after such a declaration, the propriety of postponing' the discussion must be obvious, and he could not think that any scruple which the noble earl might feel in asking the noble marquis to postpone his motion, because h e had done so before, should be regarded by him. A sub ject of such deep importance must ultimately be dis cussed in both houses of Parliament ; and those who had no further information then that which they could ob tain from the public press, Dtt'd haedly doubt that a discussion on this subject in both houses of Parliament must considerably increase the existing irritation, and lessen the chance which he trusted might still exist of a pacific termination. The Marquis of CLANRICARDE would be obli ge d if his noble friend the Secretary for Foreign Affairs would repeat what he had stated, for it caught his ear very imperfectly. The Earl of CLARENDON said he intended to re peat the expression used by the noble and learned lord. He said he could not deny that there might be inconve nience and mischief in bringing on a full discussion of this subject at the present moment; but he did not think it right to ask his noble friend to put off his motion, because he should reset ye to himself the right of saying nothing that he thought would lead to inconvenience. (Hear.) The Marquis of CLANRICARDE felt that great re sponsibility rested upon him in this matter. He had not personally consulted with any member of the house, much less with any political party. After what he been said by the noble earl, the Secretary for Foreign Affairs, he could not hesitate rs to the course which it wes his duty to adopt, as he cei lainly (I'd not wish to increase the dif ficulty which existed at this critical moment. He would not incur the risk, no natter how slight, of causing any inconvenience or mischief. At the same time, he must be permitted to say Olt there seemed to have been a misapprehension of the question, which he had thought it his duty to put. (Hear, hear.) Into the whole question he did not intend to enter, because an im portant part of that question, when it came t o b e fully discussed, would be the conduct of the Govern ment, which he did not think he could in any way ar raign, neither could he applaud or approve it until all the papers on the subject had been laid before Parba- was first brought into the House of Common - , it formed part of a great system of fina.nc?, prcspc;..;:ive for the ne - t seven year, founded altogether on the supr 3s . Con that the happy state of peace which had lasted for the last 40 years would continue. Since that time veat char7es had taken place, and at this moment the English fleet had been joined to the French fleet at the mouoi of the Dardanelles, and it was not improbable that war might occur. They had likewise a fleet, not so large a one as he could have wished, but a considerable fleet, assembled at Spithead for the defence of the coast of this country, because if an action were to take place at the mouth of the Dardanelles, it must be obvious that a Russian fleet, with troops on board, might be at the mouth of the Thames, and therefore the circumst - inces wer- altogether different f-om those under which the repeal of this tax was proposed. Under these circumstances he thought it expedient that Pa.liament should hold its hand at the pre sent time. The noble earl (Aberdeen) had said it was not expedient at the present moment that he should enter into our relations with Russia. If he could not see daylight as to the vltitnate result of the negotiations in progress, surely that was a reason for postponing the third read ing of this bill, which was for repealing a tax of material assistance to the revenue, every shilling of which they might writ. He thought the b'il ought not to be read a tly: , xl time t;11 the Secretary of Stat o for Foreign Affvrs could enter into a coil statement of our rfrairs wath Russia, and he mow i that the bill be postponed for a foi ;might, The Earl of A. BERDEEN rrid it was Fs earnest hope that no such resource would be required. But if unfor tunately he shou'd be mistaken in that view, and the very greatest calo , r'ty that could be") 1 this country should be imminent, he did not +hirk it was the duty of the House of Lords to intei:ere and prevent the relief which would be afforded to +he people by the repeal of these duties. And if it Phor 'd so bapr mtFat +los c)un try should be p l s3ed 'n a state of war, the Horse of Commons world undoubtedly pioN:de the nraessary means for carrying it on. Tne Earl of DERBY alhgeth( differed from the noble earl as to the relat:ve pos:tlons of +he House of Commons and the House of Lords, The noble earl must admit that on that (the Oppc - Alon) side of the house they had given ample proof in the course of the present session that they were not d'sposcd to refuse such taxes as the House of Commors thought proper to repeal, or to impose such taxes as the House of Com mons thought proper to 'lmpose. But he altogether con cui ad in the view of the noble esrl, who had brought this question under their notice, that at a time when to say the least of it, war was in a state of painful suspense, it was their duty not to put themselves ;n collision with the House of Commons, bat to pause, and not to take an irreversible st3p by depriving this country of al amount of revenue which he believed amounted to some thing like 400,0001. a year. The Earl of ABERDEEN--1,200,0001. The Earl of DERBY—Then of curse the cafe was ;,fuitely stronger . Under the most favourable c rcum stances the Chancellor of the Exchequer did not expect a surplus of more than 280,0001., a ::corcung to his last statement, and was it wise to sa-clifice 1,200,000/. of revenue at such a juncture ; was it not prudent to keep it in hand in order that the House of Commons might have a fluffier opportunity of judging whether they were now in such circumstances that they could afford the relief. He apprehended the best course would beta postpone the third reading of the bill for ten days, or a fortnight, or three weeks. Earl GRANVILLE thought the wisest course of that house was to leave theresponsibility to Government. He had no doubt that if means were required to carry on a war there would be no difficulty in this rich country in proN:ding them. He hoped the noble earl would not press his motion to a division, and that if be d , d the:r lordships would reject it. The Marquis of CLANRICA RDE did not suppose the noble earl would press his motion to a division. He thought no inconvenience would ni Ise to the commerce of the country from postponing this bill, for though a degree of alarm might be caused by it, that determina fon would place commerce on a sounder basis ; but of course if the Goverrment felt +hey Pad ample resor .c as at their command, and took upon themselves the re- 50 20 20 25 25 20 20 50 20 10 HOUSE OF COMMONS-{YESTERDAY.) LANDLORD AND TENANT (IRELAND) BILL. The committ-.e on this bill was then resumed. Mr. WMATION moved the omission of clause 7, and after a brief discussion the committee divided, when there appeared, For the clause 51 Against it 10 Majority 38 The clause was consequently agreed fo, as was also clause 8. Mr. M'MAHON next moved the omis 'on of clause 9. After some conversation, the P 'ne nem ent was with drawn, and the clause agreed to. On clause 10, Captain SCOBELL protested against their being one law for Ireland and another for England. If the pre sence of two magistrates wra considered necessary to form a quorum at petty session in this country, on what principle could it be maintained that the same number was not equally necessary in Ireland. After a few words from Mr. V. SCULLY, who con curred very much with the observations which had fal len from Capta'n Scobell, Sir J. YOUNG said the presence of a second magis trate could not always be obtained in Ireland ; and if the amendment were carried, parties would often le left without redress for a considerable period. Mr. V. SCULLY moved that the decision in disputes ' shall be to two or more justices of the peace. After a brief discussion, the committr a divided, when there appeared— For the amendment Against it 32 . Majority 23 The amendment was consequently lost. Mr. R. M. FOX moved the insertion of words to prevent an appeal in cases in diTute to the lamdloro, or agent of the estate, or any party interested in it. The committee divided, when the numbers were— For the amex lm<_ , r Against it Majority 34 The amendment was therefore . lost. The clause was then agreed to. The other clauses up to 23 inclusive, were then passed. On clause 24, Mr. M`MA.HON moved the omis.iion of the last five lines of the clause, his object being to leave the law as it now stands in regard to cases of intestacy. After considerable discussion, The committee divided, when there appeared—. For the amendment 4B Agairst it............ 63 Majority against ......... , ..... ..... 15 The clause was then agreed to. Clauses up to 32 were agreed to, and the house hav ing resumed, the chairman reported progress, and ob tained leave to sit again to-morrow at 12 o'clock. The house then adjourned at 4 until 6 o'clock. The House resumed at six o'clock, when the presen tation of petitions IV? I proceeded va , :th. RUSSIA AN]) TURICEY.—Mr. LAYARD'S MOTION. Mr. LAYARD said—l wi.h to sta' 3 ths t3rms of the motion of which I have given notice for to-mm row. Tbey are as follows ,—" That an hirable addle -. 1 be pre3entc - I to her Majosty, humbly to submit to Their Majesty that tb 4 s house has heard with deep conerria that tee F"nr r:or of Russia has annoonced a policy and adopted me.- sures wbieh threaten the ' it .3,;.ity of the Ottotarn Pulp'. a, and pray ,-Is he: Majesty *at she w: 1 1 1- 3 IqC; -i i 3 CFr. ,It that the fullest information on this sub,fezt by laid bafore this house as soon as is corQistent with the pub'ic se :v.: , I wish to rsy a few words on a matt :r 1 ;son-. 1 . to nayesl". The motion of which I b9.ve given notice was fixci for to morrow. I r .sivc 1 a not ayc A rainy aft 'won :row the noble lord the member for London, arming use to put it off until Monday. Im as not able to return an answ. • un'. 1 this morning. To my surpr; , -3, I svei in the louse yester day without my knowledg.), for I find it stated in the votes "that Mr. Layard's iroi:on ws s deterred till Mon day the llth." Unless some gc )d reason is shown for de ferring my motion, I sha'l go on with on 31 re day which has b. au e -- ..:,51 I for it by he: Alak.rty's Clove erraerit. I must ray it seems to me scarcely C. 4 r t bat en it dependent member should be trealed in this way. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—With re ference to what has fallen .- •orn the hon. gentleman, I have to Pay that I am not able to give him any specific informa- Lion. Ido not know by whose direction or angle-Ay, the notice of postponement of tlal motion of the her. gntle man was placed'n the pai.ez. I can, howt, ger, assure him that whatever has been done has 1 3''l done with I.;.:".'ect " bon zfidrs," and under the imprc - ion that he h,l cm sented to the arrangement. My right hop. friend the First Lord of the Admiralty and myself are bOth in a r :, , it:o n to state that the arrargemeut had been made with the con sent of the hon. gentleman, and whaf3ver hci bc m done has been done in perfect gad faith, and with no intention to interfere with the liberty of the ho,. gentleman a i an independent member of the house. Mr. LAYARD—I should l'li: - 3 t 3 know by whom the notice of postponement wrs p'- -".3 on the pain . , If the Government will show good reasons for my doing so, I will postpone my motion anti' Morday. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—I under stood the gron-id siat:7l for the postponement was ono wbich the hon. gentleman bad rc.:ozrised as a legitimate one, viz., the indisposition of my noble friend the member for London. I believe it would be inconvenient to him to come down to the hon-e to-morrow, and that being so, I thought the ho '. gentlearm bs - 1 egr.: :3 t) the postpone.. ment Mr. LAYARD—I shall not hesitate to put off Ix y motion until Monday. It is only this that I , =plain of —that before my answer was re( live i the notice of post ponement had been given which has placed mo in a fslso position. Ma. DISRAELI—I raw with great bo' 1 , 1' 4 3 ti" . 3 ebiege in the order of the business of the horse, rot having been informed that the hon. membt.: for Aylr2bury had given any notice of postponement in the hour) yeaterday, and it appears to me to be an arrangement of the busine-s of the house by the Government which requires some explanation on the part of her Maje - ,ty's Mi-=sters. What security have wo for the orderly conduct of the business of the house if notices of motion which have be an given are withdrawn on the part of members who are not themselves present and who have not given their sanction t a that course? There is also an alteration in the butiness consequent on the assumption that the hor. member for Aylesbury had con sented to this arrangement; I mean that the committee on the India Bill should be first on the paper. I understood,. not tl--eo /rim"' cc ago, that a motion similar to that of the hon. member for Aykibury hr I been r. iponel at the request of the Government in r'iother place. The reason for postponement in that place could not have been the ' SMITHFIELD M.A.REPT for the removal of Smithfield Market. irdisposition of the noble load the member for Londe). Sir B. HAIL called attantion to the ac " t:passed He s ai i n d , 18 g a (A Yaugh.) I think that r) ti- , 9 is a quo 110 n of an impor tance which cannot be surpsued, thc:e shorldl ) a clear othLonton, with this exception, ;:taime Home-Secretary badspproved of a plan submitted to explanation of the matter, and some reason gives ', a both that th y e area peorroVoras corporation was not suffici houses by her Majesty's Ministers as to whether the Fast. ently extensive ; in consequence of w a lla F,ne m e n t would be for the pub?ic interest and eanverienee. to 70 acres. He understood the co ration w p aa r exte I d c . le t ( o l Sir C. WOOD—I may perhaps ha able t a give a mint lon and he N ( iis t he t (l h to know whether any communication had let off a large portion of this ground on buildin ) gle e ases ; o: this matter, anal ow a Fme apolgy to the hon. menalx • or Aylesbury. Yesterday government a 1 to the area they proposed in the iriiele of the day my to allot for market oe space, and that which they proposed to noble friend the member fe- Lend la ruit to me and eta' 1 let off. that be WAS so 63i.0u.1y 'll that h a was o b liged to leave Lord PALMERSTON said no communication on that subject had been made since he had been at the Home town, rad that ho ha I writt :a b t>l© hon. memt cr for The act gave only ore Tower ta the Secretary , of Aylesbury, stating that it was imp:. - ;1 1 1 fo -Pmtoha in l a c t e e . —t o sanction, or to refuse to sanction, the site pro the house to-moirow, rad acd 'is , h'm to p.atr ,me Fs me- pared for the new market. That sanction nee given, n tion till Monday, It would obliovly t a very inconvenient further rower of inte:ference we. 3 rezarvcd by the act to o for that motion to be brought on in the at!- nice of my the S:cretaiy of Stat 3. The act pl- -) empowc 7ed the cor poration to dispo3e of a portion of the land if it were of a noble friend. My noble friend then asked me if it would greater extent than was required fo th • ' r err pr :poses. _ _ not be better to bring on the committee on the India Bill. MERCHANT SHIPPING BILL AND PILOTAGE I came down to the hon') in raarch of the hon. member BILL. Mr. CAEDWELL, at the re ques t o f M r . To LL EMACH:, twin that he wou ld Lot decline to postpone his motion. It day next. for Aylesbury, but was unable to find him ; but I felt car- the committ ees on th ese b ills for 12 o ' clock on Tnes was, therefo i a , ve.y ( l e - liable that the e.l:lif. t not:co SUCCESSION DUTY BILL. Mr. G. Should be given as to what business would come on to-mor. The house then went into committee on this bill, Coln row, and I asked my right hon. friend the Secretary at War meneing with the 46th clause. to give notice that the committee on the India Bill would cell- After s e r f t a h e e °1 Exchequer,vat_on ii t o h w e 11 ,,, i o c l li ci I t ,r , r r ... j/eneentlrir, and hie, Ch an. come on on Friday, and that the other motion was post some verbal . pored. My groat anxiety was to give the earliest infer- amendments. But ( .l t ook part, the clause e was agreed to with ' n( motion to the house as to what busine.: 3 was I o come on, On clause 48, which empowers bo the commissioners to The house sat yesterday till within a minute of six o'clock, compel f the production of POLE took rl some objections to parties, ons to the extensive and it was practically impossible to give that notice in any mature of the powers there given. other shape than by putting it on the paper. 11 3 right The CHANCELLOR of the EXerrEeeti az ER consented hon. gentleman (Mr. Disraeli) is mistaken in saying that to a modification. the debate in another placa has been pc3tponc d at the re dZirs., MtTLLlNGSm uniments, nal-io evidences v naendnor•et excepting tale Plroences of title. He referred to quest of the Government. A member of the Government c:.se3 where injury t a the tor . hai arisen :Dom title was called on to rty whether he c mid de ay that mi—hief I deeds being produced and P.3 and inconvenience would e asue if that motion was bough The CHANCELLOR of the detectsttsCealir. said that would on, and on his saying that he cruld not d en y but th a t th ere he o assen e tpd_to the doctrine that they shonld not take would bo some mischief and inc anvenienca, another mem- t wercoomMiith. erroduction of any documents except such ax her of that house asked the noble nwrquis to p ostpono his case for the a, Y or frequently necessary to make out the t of duty to be paid, and to show that motion, to which he con-nted. 1 they were tilthillvi.litil- ra jta te right parties. It was inv ents not DISRAELI—I wish to ask the hon. member for siblo f or th em not toroociueemwenta Aylesbury whether, if th e no bl e lord th e mem b er f el . Lou- , which would show what the rowerarope .-ty o ir r i the part don should be recovered on Monday, it is chaly to Ea no- I With regard to arty danger that might arise from the iin i spawn of title deeds as t the validity of the title to the derstocd that ho will bring on his motion. , estate, he thought the danger was imaginary, because these Mr. LAYARD.—Most certainly. lam not sum - aged to ' documents would only come under tbo view . of public be cognisant of what has taken place in the other house, officers who ware responsible for the proper discharge of and unless good reason is given in this house {J 3 justg. y . me ' their duties ; and tho experience they had uncle: the in ; i the eyes of the country in withdrawing my motion, I come tax s h owe d th a t th ere was no danger of secrets being char' bring it on. made known. (H ear .) I The subject then dropped. fir G. STRICKLAND strongly object N I t o th e p ower which was given by this clause of obliging a man to take. POSTAL ARRANGEMENTS. Mr. WILSON, in nnswe: to rn hon. member, tad that arrangements had been made mlth th e railway companies for improvin the postal communicatlou V.th Maeeles field and the neighbourhood. COLONIAL POSTAGE. In answer to Mr. HuME, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the measure for reduc'n coloni a l postage hrd been pushed forward with every pon:ble expedition, and no time would be lost in c rvirg it into effect, as soon as the necessary communicat:ons with the colonies had been completed. ................................................"...... -- sponsibility of refusing the : aid the noble earl °geld I THE A DVERTISE MENT DITTY. Lord BEAUM ONT said if Government took the re- , them . it was f or them to jut lge. 1 Sir J.- SIT_ELLEY Legged t o ask the Chancellor of the Excheq uer whether he could inform the hou-o when the Lponsibility upon themsets - es their lordships could . reiolutior3 with 'vivre' to the a IverEsement duty would scarcely inter. ere. It was only on the declaration that :Ls brarsist on, and be b9pd 641; they wound not be post they can no risk and that they were prepared for all • 1 pond till so late a r 3ric 1 of the E s' on as I o prevent those emergencies, that h© shorld ITl:nk of acceding to their 1 : terest ad in the discer :ion from be'ng present. propos:.l for passing this Ineaza]re .but having taken I PI -- - the respowilility oa thens:;elver, he joled Cu urging his i The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER could noble fiend not to p Axe 7d int Ws motion. really assure ilia hon. gentleman that there world be no The Earl of ELLENEORO UGH said he had not the : postponement for r 33tnoleme A's rake; and that was the same degree of coridence `'s the re - ponsibility of the 1 oriy assurance he tout , Government that the noble lord had, If d give rs far a s p os t ponc:Dent was would fit lt w as i mposs ib le, considering the important out a fleet he should b e more r Conce rne d . atisfied. R e s h ould throw business n ow pendhg be7or e th e h ouse, t o make it sedond c"cial to the publi c service. on them the Ours o f d o l ng w l aat he thorght was prejn- sty to the adver:ioment duties, as he cou ld no t say on The b; 1 1 was then rea d a thi• x l ti me and passed. what day th ey would be brought on. No delay, however, Their 10 - xl9hipi then adjourned at ten m;nut7,3 p as t should take pl ace except what was unavoidable, and ha seven o clock , would t.:,lze care that th e y were not brought on without ' due notic3. TURNS . Sir J. SFIELL R E E Y then moved ORDERED for a return of the names all offieers and other persons who are now employed, whether temporarily or otherwise, by the Metropolitan Connnissioners et bowers, setting forth the offices they have held and now bold, under the commis ioners with the salaiies paid, the dates of appointmeat, and the Cruties discharged in each case ; and showing the a tt en d ance o f each commis s i oner of sewe a, whether paid or unpaid, at each and every meeting of the said commissioners duly convened, :rem the Ist day of January, 1852, to the pie sent time. Mr. J. B. SMITH move I for a " return in detail of all vcisolg which have bin detained i. 2 guarani ine during the five years ending the ht d ay of July, 1853, in Great" Br itain, specifying the name of each vessel, the data of her arrival, the port from which she last sailed, the duration of the voyage iu days, the number of the crew and passen gers on beard, the disease for which quarantine was im posed, the number of the cases of sickness and death dur ing the voyage, and the number of sick on board when she arrived, the duration of the quarantine imp ose d, and whether any, or h ow many, fresh cases of sickness oc curred dui:ng the detention in quarantine." " Address for returns of the number of plates of worship belonging to all denominations, other than the Esiablished Church, in the Parliamentary burgh of Edinburgh, di s ti ngu i shiug the ancient and extended royalties - ;oin the other portions of the same ; of the number of sittings contained in each of the said placelof worship, and of the numbers of siWngs in each of the said place 3 of worship, which are let or al lotted, and also the numbar of free sittings in each (in lieu of the return grant 1 30th June)." Mr. HUM 6 moved for copies of any further correspon denco between the Court of Directors of the East India Company and the President of the Board of Control re specting the bill for the future government of India. MR. LAYARD'S MOTION. Lord J. MANNERS wished to ask the President of the Board of Control whether, if the noble l or d th e member for London continued indisposed, and was unable to at tend the house on Monday, tho Government would press for a further pc3tporement of the Russian debate, or whe ther, under any circumstances, the motion of the hon. member for Aylesbury would ba allowed to go on ? Sir C. WOOD—It world be more convenient to ask the question to-morrow, when I have communicated with my noble f -1 end. OFFICERS IN INDIA. Mr. OTWAY begged to ask the President of the Board of Control, whether officers in the service of her Majesty were eligible for employment in the staff in India? Sir C. WOOD—Orders were sent some months ago to India sanctioning the appointment of qualified officers to such employment. THE OBSTRUCTION OF THE DANUBE. Mr. LIDDELL begged to ask of her Majesty's Govern me it whether any instructions have been sent out by her Majesty's Government to inquire into the case of British vessels at present detained in the Danube owing to the im perfect state of the navigation of that river : and whether, in the event of hostilities with Russia before such ships can be liberated, a suffielent force will be seat out to that part to prevent their falling into the hands of hostile powers. Lord PALMERSTON—The recant obstruction of the navigation of the Sulina channel of the Danube has been caused by the accidental circumstance of the waters of the river having overflowed and spread over the banks, and so far diminished the force of the current as to increase the quantity of mud on the bar. This particular inconvience as temporary, and will no doubt cease when its cause has also ceased; but I am bound to say that, for many years past, the Government have had reason to complain of the neglect of the Government of Russia to perform its duties as possessor of the territory of which the delta of the Danube ' is composed, and to maintain the channel of the Sulina in an efficient navigable state. (Hoar.) It was my duty, when Secretary for Foreign Affairs, to make frequent represen tations to the Russian Government on the subject; and Russia, although she always admitted that it was her duty to do so--admitted that which we asserted—that as Ruse' g e l thought fit, by virtue of the treaty of Adrianople, to possess herself of the mouths of the Danube, that tbsi great watercomee and highway of nations, leading into the centre of Gc chiefly, it was her duty to see that great highway was maintained and made accessible (ac cording to the treaty of Vienna) to the commerce of all nations. (Hear, hear.) Russia never disputed that state ment, and she asserted always that she was employed in using means to remedy the grievance. The grievance was this—that while these mouths of the Danube formed part • of the Turkish territory, there was maintained a depth of 16 feet on the bar, whereas. by the neglect of the Russian authorities the depth had diminished to 11 feet, and even those 11 feet were reduced to a small and narrow channel from obstructions on the side, from sand-banks, and from vessels wrecked and sunk, and allowed to remain there, so that it was diffi cu lt f or any vessel to pass, exc e pt in calm weather ?lad with a skilfri pilot. (Hear.) We were also aware that there were local interests that teaded to thwart what we believed to ha the intentions of the Ruse:an Government. In the first place, there eves rivalship on the pert of Odessa, where there exist )d a de , ire to obstruct the exr 3rt of produce by the Danube. and to direct it, if possible, by way of Odessa. (Heae.) There were also those little local interests which arise from the profits that bargemen and lightermee, and persons of that class, make by unloading th e s t eamers that come down the Danube, Fo as to enable them to pass the bar, reloading them again outside the bar. These local feelings and in terests must have obstructed, without their being aware of it, the good intentions of the Russian Govern. ment, they have always promised they would take the most effectual measures. They said they would send a steam dredge to carry away all the obstructions on the bar. The steem-dredge came, and the steam-dredge worked, but in two hours it was always put out of gear from some ac . cident or other—(a laugh)—and they wore obliged t o go back to Odessa f or re p a i rs , (A laugh.) We recommended that the Russian Government should pursue the method by which the Turkish Governme at Le pt the channel clear. That method was a very simple one. They required every vessel that welt out of the Danube to tack to their stern a good iron rake, and by that means the passage of each vessel kept the channel clear, a depth of 16 feet be'ng con stantly maintained. (Hear, hear.) I understand, that in addidon to the representations I made when at the Fo reign-office, constant and emphatic representations have been made to the Russian Government on this subject, and I hope that th a t G overnmen t, w hil e they break through those trammels which hitherto seem t o h ave i mpeded their proper action, will see that it is a positive duty which they owe to Europe to maintain :ree and open that pas sage, which by force of arms, they obtained and which they believed themselves justified in retaining'by the treaty of Adrianople. (Hear, hear.) Mr. LIDDELL directed the attention of the noble lord to the second part of his question, which he had not answered. Lord PALMERSTON.—I apprehend the question of the hon. gentleman relates to vessels which are now con fined within the Danube end the Ruse:an territory for want of water. If, by any misfortune, which I cannot anticipate, war should arise between this country am! Russia, it would not h a easy for a British ship o f war t o get up to those vessels without water. (Laughter.) BETTING -HOUSES. In answer to Mr. A. PELLAT; Lord PALMERSTON said that a bill had been pre pared by the Attorney-Geeeral, which appeared well cal culated to attain the object of surpressing betting-houses in the metropolis. Notice would be given of it imme diately ; and ho hoped there would be no di Fficelty in pas sing it into a law this session.