The Sun. — London, England, 1811-01-12 00:00:00

- V ~j ~~! ,a~: ~,, . I ANSWER OF 'IIIE QUEEN. " MY LORD'S AND GENTLEMEN) Kati aware of die diiiicultieg or the sitnatiun its w0 , ,•1, I shall be placed; but I shall rely with con. fidence upon the conb'tiiotineal advice of an eidight. ened Parliament, and the zealous RUppurt of a gene, rous and loyal people. I will use all the means kit to me to wed. both. • " My Loam AND GENTLEMEN, Y will COIMIUMitate Ibis my answer to the two Houses, accompanied by in% most fervent wishes and prayers, that the Divine Will may ex it-it:ate us and the :nat.ion from the grievous embar rassments of' our pi'eseiit condition, by the speedy te him-Atkin of his Majcsiy's he Answer being 'read, The Earl of La vettPoot, moved that the said Re tolution4, together with his Royal Highness's An- Lr, be primed.—Ordered. The Earl of HARCoVRT then made a similar re port with reepeti to the Commissioners 'waiting on her ALjesty the Cimen, as ordered bygthe House, and that ht:r Majesty was graciously pleased to makr the following Answer : "That sense of duty mid gratitude to the King, and of obligation to this Countty, which induced toe, in the year 1789, readily to promise my most earnest 4itention to the anxious and momentous trust' at that t , rne intended to be repos.d in me by Par- Lament, is strengthened; Ili possible, by the twin terrupted enjoyment of these blessings, which . I have 4‘ontimpcd to experience, under the protettion of.his Majesty, since that period and I should hi. wanting to ail my duties, it I hasitated to accept the tacred trust which is now offered to me. The assistance, in point of counsel awl advice, which the wisdom of Parliament proposes to provide for me, will make me undertake the charge with greater hopes that l may be able satisla:q.o4 to fulfil the important duties which it mu,t impose upon . me. " 0 the nature and importance of that charge I cannot but be duly sensible, mvolvinq, as it does, every thing which is valuable to myself, a; well as the highest interests cal a , peolle endeared, to 'me by an many ties awl cotAideraituns ; but by nothing so t t rol ,giy, a s by ibeir steamy, 101 . ,11, and afictionate attaclmient to the hest 411 Kings." The Resolution ut Parliament as applying to her Majcsfif, and the answer, was 11140, nit the Mtijou of igghle`SEctiETAity of STAflit, 611.1eNCI i 0 130 primed. OPENING OF PARLIAMENT 13Y COMMISSION. The Earl of Ltvamot. then moved the Order of Vie Day ‘s hen, that !or sUannonrng th , fir Lord sbips being rod, lie moved, that the House do re— soh iutu a Conunitiee dn'the State of the Natio6. This bein ordered, Lord WALSitiGHAM accord ingly took the Chair. • The Earl of kvattroot rose, and briefly oh. served, they were now arrived at Iltal stage. of the prixeedino, when, agreeably to the cours,. adopt e s cut i f,e ((inner occSston, as he had given mai) e ,este.rday, it becairte necessary for that Howie to adopt a Resolution with teipt:ct to the Opening' of Patrintinoto by Commksion, With reirretiee 'to th e necessary: ulteiior proceeding. The Resolution which he tihould Move wa <isO tar to that ,itdopt,4l ott _ the ,forth tl occasiOn, a I,ic h wits, that it was necessary and expedient that Letters Patent be is. bred under the Great. Seal of the United Kingdom of Great Uri and Ireland, of the tenor,and form exptessed in the Resolution alluded lb, .for the por, ostt +it cipubing the l'arliametit of the United KinOotn, "fhintesolnilon, - ,which in sub -5,,,nee Was precisely simdsr to that adopted in 1789, bein!„ on the occoion of its original intro.: duction, dtscus4ed, thAt h e did not, in the present insniok.e, see any necessity for tron 7 Ming their Lordships with any observations on the fl nos and necettSily for Its a;lopt 011. Should any thing, .however, be suggested in the Conimittee, t h at m ay regone expl ination, he wt:; ready to a t:. ford it, Iu ittbqatteei be repeated the main ReSo- Itnion ; and the corresponding ones, required by the necessary forms on such an occasion, were pre. eisely similar to those voted by the HoUSe on the a lit of January, 1789. Whatever variatien there way be from the form of the subordinate arrangement itt I7BD, it occurred principally from the differ etio , from the desire expressed by certain R o y a l Person !ges, with respeol, to the insertion of their names in the CommissiOn. .Should any explanation be icquired by any Noble Lord u ith respeti to a detail of the proceedings, he was most willing to afford it. The Noble Secretary Of State then for— ty-,apy ii oved the falt litlolution, the silbstance and etlecl ef which he stated in his introductory 01>m -14361n5, On the question being put, l ail GituY said, that after the very full discus. eons which had already I..ken place on the sub. J, 0, of which the Resolution now before the C o m. mittoe formed n inn, he certainly felt it super tlo oo s to detain then Lordships With any detailed tib.trea tiotts, His f dings, however, on the occasion, were so strong, that he could not avoid taking this trst opportunity his power to express, in gr:areral and decided win's, his ,trong objection to the whole line of proceeding adopto by Itlin'sters on this , 00 ,, t momentous quesft n, Unwilling as he was to add in the smallest degree to theSe most Ulliteces. nary and dangerous delays which ILO already taken / dace, he aould• not rcinam silent when a prnp o si.. I ton was brought forward, _calling upon that lioue, on its patt, to tt.i%ottle one of the most imrottant yiwers Of the Crown, namely, the rasing the Great Seal to an AM of Parliament, [le had anxi od*ly wished for Anopporttlpity of expressing his most firm concurrence in the opposition ascot:civil; and the rentiments expressed by Noble Lords on his side of t;!‘.- House, to the whole tissur.‘ of proceeding urged ;11“.1 Aopted by Ministers course of proceeding, ronteoded, ace. ruling to 101 the geutin e and analogivi of the eonstitution„as well as' prviices of their antes!ors, as could he colle6led -orn autneotic precedents, it hich was hostile to the v fun&itnental principles of that Constitution; rending to estabish a precedent of the most croui tendency. consequence aad charac. of the line of conduct they had adopted was, under the form of law, they had violated all the principles of tho ; under pretence of lesiva for the Constitution, they hall violated the funda., mental principle 4 of Ihe ; and, under a pretence bf a bernpulous regard tor the rights ot the Monarchy and the Regal ritro g atkies, had sapped the very fou4ations of that S,..iveiTtgoty. These great concluSious,.he 'contended, hal been establisn ed as resulting twin the conduct of Minister', by those with w horn he had the honour to act, with a wisdom, with an eloquence, with a display or - . learning and knowledge . I il i a Constitution of Ott:lt country, unrivalled ill the annals of Parliamentary dismission, With this gr , ,ntral dechtration, he would, wider the circumstances, cont,:tot himself; but he coal no! le:t the inun , -Idiate que,t too belore the Com mittee pass wit hOut observinio hat if it were cletermiti' ed to assume those powers e x pressed in t heßesolut ion, and to pass an Att as abotu to be proposed for reme dying the personal dt feet in the exercise of the Royal authority, he Must contend, it would be far less objectionable, even according to the ptinci ples insisted on by Ministers, if they thought Omit , selves authorized to cause the Great e.it to be athx ed to an instrument for the optning of Parliament, and paSsing, a Bill: It would be far less objection able, he repealed; to come to Resoltilious 161 - ap pointing his Royal Highness the Prince of Wales Commissionei for &,pening the Parliament,..lar the specific purpose of en:toting a Bill to supply the ex isting defect to the t.;:oustitusiou of Then would the thtril , tratich of the . l.4.igishiture be regularly toi'med, and they Could tielittO the iM poriam questions at issue in a full • Parlidment the sunject could, iii such a ca ,e, be discu3sed not only .underlie requisite forms, but accoiding to the snb siential reality. But, as it :was, he could not avoid repeating his firm conviction; that the hoe of pro ceeding chalked out by Ministers on this must ardu ous occasion, was fatally dangerous to the Coust:. ttition, clashing with its best , principles end snalo gies, and finally tending to' establish a preced.•nt under the authority of which, in Inane OWL'S, 3 stlies of attempts may be matte so as e1,%1n to ualiv Undermine all that was good or valtiable iu the Con stitution, Lard \l/ LSINGIIAM then !Jut the gneSt . hen Earl STAN HuPE said, ":Nol content," m Con- St qut:nce of which a divistun took I,lace, when there appeared•-. For the Resolution %. Against it Mb AO - 51 Nlajority in favour of tile lineof proceed ing recommended by Ministers - zo The doors continued shut for some time, and the adjournment' took glace 17#.1Ure strangers Were ad milted—bat we understat,tl the subordinate Resolu tion (that referring' to points of fortn) was passed without: any division. Their Lordships adjour i ned till 11 , 1oliday. The necessary proceedings are expeOed to be in that state of tar,%ardltesi, that Parliament will be regularly opened by Cotimiission (as in the case of 17 . 8)) on 'Filetiday next. 'the Commissioners will, consist of ;rhos.great Officers of SatesendHigh Dignitaries of the Chtireb,.. who, after withdrawing of the, Princes' naturs,,.pu ti a oce,sinns alluded to, were constituted the. Lords cominissiouers. • HOUSE OF COMMONS, VIIIDAY, JAN. 11. The Sheriffs presented a Petition from the Lord Mayor,'AVlelmep, a!'d, CoMmons of the City of London, a4ainst the 111C41511113 of -a testrided Re vnev, which was read, ,and ordered to he on the table. The cfrANCELLOIt of the EXCHECIUgiI informed the Nouse, that purSuaut to its order, the Com mittee ,had waited upon his Royal Highness-the Prince of Wales, with - an Address, recitt , sting that he wou:,l take upon him the alike: 01 Regent, ac t:circling to the Resolutions, of both Houses of Par, liarnent ; to which his ~ Royal Hithrichs had bean plea%ed to return the following answer. [For his Ruyal Highness's Answer, see the Pro ceediogs of the House of Lords.) • Lord cLive eta.tcd, that the Committeeappoint• ed to wait upon the (ueen and present the Addieist had done so, and that -her IVl:ljesty had been pleased to return the following answer : [For her Majesty's, answer, see the Proceedings' of the House of Lords.] • Th'e CHANCIILI,OR Of the Excnetwart then mov ed the order of the day for the House resolving it. self into a Committee on the State of the Nation, He wizihed, 'before be decided whether he should postpone the Couunitee to to-morrow or Monday, to know wfitth::r any debate was - likely to take place. The next business of the Hou•e, he appre 7 hended, would. be to , agree to the Resolution cif the other House, for enao . l% the Chancellur to affix the Great Seal for tlie,pnrposo of opening the Par liament. If the Gentleman opposite-had resolved upon discussing that subjc6t, Inn thought it would be more expedient to adjourn to Monday next. Mr. WurrengAD said, that it- watt not his. inter • 6011 to trouble the House With any debate, as he should be satisfied with recording his opinion by his vote., He .wished, as he was on his legs, to ask the Right lion, G4lttlemun whether it was' his intentieu to make any provi , ion in the 13th, -which would citable the country to meet the recurrence of such a'calamity as the present, in a state of greater pre paration ~ • • Mr. AnAm hoped, that a Bill, the foundation of which way to give the Royal Assent, by an authority of iti (Ali appointment, would not contain — Ouch prat igloo. He thought it would be highly improper to adopt any such proceeding in the present mutilated state of the ; Parliament whatever was to . be done, should be done when their powet and funations are complete. Mr,VinviiittinD said, that bit 'Honourable e Friend had misunderstood him ; h did not mean to say that the provision 'should be introduced into that Bill, but merely akcertain the ititentiom of the Right IJonodrable Gentleman upon that.sub jee. Mr, SHERIDAN said, in answer to the Right Gentleman (the Ci , ancellor of the Exchequer) that he could not answer for the intentions of other Gentlemen, hut he thought it likely that some would wish to enter their protest against the mea sure. Far his part, he should feel himself bound in 4 ", Windsor Castle, lan. 12,,J811. " His MAJESTY is not qui►e so well this morn ing as for sunie days past. " H. 11. REYNOLDS. " M. BM LLIE. " H. 1 - IALroIiD. " NV. HEIIERDEN. " R. WILLIS." The folloWing paragraph .appeared yesterday in the Morning 'Citron/de, in a letter, to - the Editor, defending a previous communication, written by a pt.rsal styling hmaself !‘ A Military Man," and' which malice or waggery. has attributed to a certain General Officer, much distinguiihed in America. We,,shall ma enter into a' general controversy with the Military. Man or his defender, but the paragraph in question contains so gross,a falsehood, thin we shall render a service to the Public 'by ex posing it. i : ti lda " d' The army under MAsicNn,", says th e p ara• g:ae which besieged, mi d covered the siege of Ciudad Rodrigo, did 716 i erceed3B,opo men. The second corps, which formed one of the three that composed the army of Portugal,• being still be- yowl Badajoz, and 200( dragoons haying been a detached from the Bth , mirps to General KaLLEtt ,,, MANN inf antry,' cavalry, and arid " lery, being employed in preserving the commit " nications with VallAdolid and Aitorga. In 13ha "‘ TniEti's letter to AssitiA; dated Havre, Hth " May, this di s t r ib u tion is otdered ; and the letter " concludes, observing, fife these detachm en t s are " made, the army of Pnrtitgal, including 2418 n's Corps, will fiIIIOUCIL to 50;009 men,;" This paragraph we distinctly pronounce to be a gross mis-statetnent, and in order to prove our as sertion, we give the letter itself, which the writer in the 114 - toning Chronicle proftsse.i to copy, in the, L riginal.French • "Ilavre, le atMai, "M. I.l,,MARickinck, 11 paralt par, l'etat de la force, de l'arruee Anglaise, tire des journaux Angfait, q'elle coll• sista en 23,000 An toil & Alletuandi, and 22,000 Portagais. Li:Ernpereur ru'orcienne en consequence quo. vous devez avoit plus de troupes n'en Ta ut pour battre l'arin4e Anglaiie, dans le cas on elle ten tefarit de fair lever le) siege de Ciudad Rodrigo. S. M. desire (iPe vows y prQcediez avec i u Gale & sme -- .+► 'corm Iniisalit an Ceueral kELLEIIMANN 2ie4o goes de Bme & attssi on corps d'etiviro 10,000 hommes, tivalerie, 31 ' sulfisant pour tenir it communiolica °"' ouverte-; & vows, Pri n ce, avec l e Owe corps, 6 le are reste du time, formant ensemble environ lira &fumes, vous devez prendre Ciudad linfiTig ° ' tam A e les ngluiS; s'rls a vancen t. 3e viens d'ecrir ° au Rot d'EirApNi: au Duc de U A LMIATZA, , pecl fur ire le General R EGNz ca . sons stos ordres, avec le cond corps d'arit.,6e ctnntnandait. J' oi cairoll a Li : , ordrc au General fircitsllEti de Y'OpprOCher ri'l lo9 .r tara, avec son corps pour suf le droll e (Sigue) ", Le Prince DE WAGR'+'f , b° " NEUFCHATEL." By this Letter it appears that the armyufg ls. „t SENA, which was to hesitge and cover the siege fro, Cuidad Rodrigo; amouttted 'not to 38,000, b it " ' atec nearly 50,000 m e n , an d t h at t hi s f orce w a s excaa 1, of REG NI E R ' S cor p s , bei ng compose d o f the Oti" -an-d ) t o part of rthe Bth C orps d' Atm 6 o. O a r Reader' tilt observe that the letter of Biqurnteit does not tiui chide as represented in the Morning Chronicle. This is not the only falsehood which disgrat.eit h° derenCe cf the " Military Man but, wi' h cal specimen before them, our Readers will be ' l)4 (lib to appreciate the general charaaer of the The CohissaJ hifs arrived franc Czaz,' which she left 00 the 18th ult. Nusiiit:g hopol ha,d occurred prelicus to he ' sailing. . Yesterday Lord CAMD3 . II and Lord HAacol in the Hous e of Locls, anci PeRciAtAL Lord JOHN THYNNE, the Huse of Culla' reported the Ansikets.of the Priil& of WAr.ci her AlAnstr, 10 the Addrei.ses- of Parlizo and At I 1 boa J:, His Roy td Highness, rifler expressing his rea d' , to undertake the weighty and important tins' P . ' ell posed to be invested in him, under the restrie"o/• tIN and limitations stated in hose Resolutions , P l ' . ' at its coeds to add, " Conscious that. eiery teeling " tf ti heal t would have prompted me, from dutiful Pit"' It :ion to my beloved Father and Sovtreign, t° bats xn sliewn all the reverential delicacy towards hint 11/ culcated hi these ReSoltation , :, a:11113 0'1614i t 44 hi expressing, my regret,.that I Should ..not have , itlicil,ved the opp o rt u ni ty of manifesting to leas of fiiMed and loyal subjecitt, that such woul d I ' ll 4 been my ,continth,' From the.,above passage in his Royal Answer, it ibubvious that he..would have' acted the spirit of these restritiions,;even if they 113 ' 111 :: been prop ose d b y Pa r lia ment, and that there( - ( 4 " 4 ' 14 dr Royal -Highn ess totally. differs in opirtiun frosty tl►sl ' l who have so strenuously contend e d that I ': i v , OfliCe of Regent could not be s exercised' ' 4' 4 ficially for .the eountty, subject to the pro'''. alt limitations.' We apprehend that in propwiltqltt'le ii ci iot Restrictions, th e t wo H ouses of Pailiament ; tiJ act from any want of confidence in his RoYal ' 4 14 41 ' nets, but upon the consideration that they `, esta"iling a great and important precedent , g ri ' l ` r t would be referred to in future ages, if a simila r should occur, and that they„ were therefore b°ll-' II to proceed (you general pr i nc i p l es, applicable,'' d pf: tithes and all p ersons. If his , R o y a l fli.g bne' had . been invested with the Regency limitations, we know from actedhisasnsi:uicar:ci (list I'd tlt 1 4 . would hav e acted upon the principle au the Resoluti ons; b ut then a precedent would hisito ei been established o f appo i nti n g . a Regent witil°ol"ati restrictions, which might, in future ago, b rg io in favour of a person wholly undeserving of ; 1 0 11 ; confidence of th e C ountry. T he pr i nc iple °I limitations is now admitted to be right--a is be i l 4, pr therefore that th ey s ho uld be established by 4sl). aL than left to the discretionOf any individual. confidence of the CQUIItiV in the , present irlsh:a , t h would not we k now liak7e ' been abused, but Part'o inept was not aging (or the pr ese nt times ol'IY' li for posterity., a !i We' have reeeivod a huge cu lee of Span:' ," i 0 Pers, but which d o not add ituctoo the liiir Lott iously received. ,„ifiatt -Front Ayamonte we learn that the c hariot;e'l tit s t t , i. ‘ lariin, having p us h e d his advanced- posts to 8t ( \il i ruz de la Zara, near - the ki,,i)tre of th e kingdolt i c ; tench had d eeme d it prud - nt to proctid 4 inr! right bank of the Tiebo. - sp "rait ' exlitruely sca r ce in the fertilo of Auez de f a Froutera, the m farmers not ci ih r e os ee e t t ill i cei t ri o aly. sow the hind ' that it might G , be rail h i I 0: Juan Pr„rinatelli eras been'acl uitte' o l l/ l a the charges of abindonitig the cities of Vt'l l ' a t i t ot • tit l and Avila, in 18 08, to theencai i t ap pearing le had rio force to make any tfe j etoal resist - A ce :, • tit S ll adhere ° tits, b .- making Isn a q ' Fr ' enchluala °' tit co e ht 1111-,eT•kat.iiitee.d.l'.Cauic :at:rs'iort'al3c.tY:s.l::::titirliael:l:l:lM'in:Yito.::::::ithv,a.r.,:.,;ll:i'N:a:l,lrcji:es:.:ll:Actit; Vet tes, and eight Enghilt , emPi Q.Yed agdinst Point-Ha, S.iuta C l ialinaiC"'', ) ,ci; 4 'lt Cadiz, fern which . 1 1 0 • is Allies had been swionst antioy.'d• On the hills of Ro o d l t h e insurre c i i ii a ht" spread and rairiely, that to ext ill rri i • trench have teen forc! , d to send trouP flying imillary tram solitte.aud m,lags• A cousiVenty to repeat the cpluions he had - formerly maintained, upon what appeared t o him the great • est and boldest inroad up , :n the Constitution whi, h it was possible to have been' sltten2pred.' At the same time he could not sly the debars': would be . of such impoitance as to call for an oitljournment to ' Monday. The CHANCELLOR of the ExcnECLUISR observed, that as the Right Hon. Gentleman had signified his intention of snaking a stand again -t. a measure which. he described as vitally and fundamentally wrong, there was no knowing to how long a time the debate•might be protracted. He would 'there fore propose, that the order for going into a,Com- . mittee on The State of the .Nation should be pot polio to 11iondry next. Before he sit down, tile Would answer the question of the Hon, Gentlell)Ro opposite (Mr. Whitbre.td). It was never in leis contemplation to introduce into the Bill which was to be brought in, for the purpose of meeting a par ticular necessity; any provtion of a time extended nature than she case itself demanded. He agreed with the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Adam), that there would be an impropriety in bringing forward-suchr a question, at a time when Parliament was notcom plete in all its parts. When it was. whole and en tire, it w,uld then be competent to snake such prevision as was deemed expedient ; but, until that was the case, he. should forbear from ofkling any proposttion not strieily within the necessity upon which they were sitting. Mr. SitiounAN expressed his surprise tlrat. the ROit Hon. Gentleman should postpone the Corn mince to Monday, upon the'ground of his state ment, tylren his statement bore directly the contrary • way. Hellad dktinctly, that though it was ' probable many persons wo u ld enter their protest, yet no debate would take place which emild jtastify to adjournment 10' Monday. The Right Honour• able Gentlonl liad'said there was no knowing what debate mightvensue, but he, (Mr. S.) would take upon him to say, that, if it was litotratled to any length, it must be by the answers of the Right Hon Gentlemen opposite, nor by the pro'est of those up on his side. Upon the witole, there appeared . pretence tbr such a postponement. Tie CHANCELLOR of the EXCL.') laid, that he felt Ininsvlf not only justifie.i its :notion, but Was Cons inCrd, that he would llay,:, ai`led with pre cipitancy if he adopied any otlwr course. The Right Hon.' Gentletn.:in hadrepr , .:sented the intend-. ed measure as fundamentally wrong, of COUfSe he could not prescribe the nuniberof those who should' succeed him, nor appreciate the force which his own arguMents might produce upon the judgment of the House. The kuestion was thee put and carried without a division.—Ad;, wiled u Monday. ARRIVED-7 6 Waterford. 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