The Sun. — London, England, 1811-05-31 00:00:00

k a,. r . • ... , ~ lead hepn advit&l 'to :ihr, i,n I }P'ker to ,itl. z:.oure . ss Of that House, that it would Watt Until .fcirlia'tte:lt bad d ec id e d upon its propriety ; a . ward. that had Dever been used before in any:Addyess from the Commons, or in any Answ'er from the 'CIO‘.O2 j, a Word that ,frail never heeir used :by the ,Speaker • . tendered the re, such uecasious; fo r when he title) , bills, it was ,upon the authority of the House al.Colottion s , not of the Parliiment. In ille ca,"•.°f: , Zlill& .rcitil'lU the Porto. , tie,c—i o the eas e ot to ' . .Itig the grant to 'ti e i.,,07c1 Lieutenant of Ireland ' a rbe }lutist: asked .the necessary sttos as a House tt.Cultittints. alone ; and it Was so to every instanee 114 wi,hll i'rap,,lied I,or money. ''''lttli what tf,race•: IDen 6d the l' ' . 1 . t come to the iloose of . . once ‘al,i..ii , , . t , ! el 'uolls, when, atter asking 1(1 M r 11 . 1011 S 10 ,Slp 7 9.1 t ,Iliii- A , llll' . and . lii, KiVy, and toy dtfpll4 liiN li* ` ti lig.t • 110111111i-l)s ; 'Nll‘4ll, aLtlr C:lllit% for millions, l'e 11A,altunit said nuntirens and thoti.tiltds 01 mil lions, 1,, iliiily to. the , and t i i.utp,ses of it CiO, eminent, le thaititroatice of his ItOyal licothers, he Was illtUtlllvc.l,l,,yally itll(' affeetiohately, 1 kat the tnitlions vi,eititi ly. suppli, ti . ; and that the !Yullt-I Put , ic i t() I \ i ' i i'l'his what would eW - ible him, to wea wer ttie horrible stoim •iir w 11.61 1,1, were toss 7, WI Whet), a ter the House of Coit'iinns ap.llit.(l to • him for . a comparitively itl4lllg snot %vial) they titouOn necessary to de; Justice tcl. gtin isitilvi‘ tua e, would 1 l, he replied, that h not Parli o ye ..; 1 11.11 lie whilial w a n . fn . !' tie opinion o t pent ; that he diSt rusted their word or their Pater to make oor.l their:e,ngtement 1 So' at nal Ill' theOtii,J.i:citlestioll., AS to M. Penner 's claims, tailn,iiiing liaa tut ine;ly been said tit bringing down 111Afite$ to vot e ; 'h ut surely, w lien the Right Ho -I.lt , t , itultio' Gentient t an, with all his Parlia nimittry. t ', lc , ex till hinis t II so rnui:ti against the cl a i ms , 'iv lei tit) Merit mitre in ttin o e on the other side I ,, l c"''iiiiitg eliun Ale toh , rsto,attetail, ow to vote by ce';tpul,i,ll,,,le.way or.anothe, but to heat and tie. 1 ` • '''lllltriselves. tut I the Right I-fon. Get•tie- • i t h att liar! last } ar '. , iitct the expvtlient ot taking e.gla•it 0 Nit'. Ilidtuer out. of Ai, A:ppropriation Cant 4 4 l , 111041 the ' hill for the set;a:.,.:re ,\,t t f 11M (U. Alr. Palmer had never been before t. e 4 'ullle. The nrtsc.ut was thec;t., e ot a A , ltnister .op-, Potied to',l priv u .s, u (Aar ) i a Abilister be.vo by re-. Pealed major ' , , • l'ies, unit at fast he Was, ~: ,1::ed to . e a l t 3 i ll i\, t . , ii t‘u_the House ut Cutnrnons, as the late lament- ~. Jr' ,Ittatta had obsetv,4, not nom " PillllP lament drunk to Philip hotter, but ft oat R.iii i . sober, to • .. 1 .„ 11 1,' d ruelt.“ la this extretni,i the Getitltimap, ter bad hiought tor A ad the ~ .1,i1i0,S et Mr. Pater, - I _7l irt•d, upflt. the part or. his relation, au opportn.! tal:tjtyktti try the cas e in tk Courts Of Ldw. He .did vi . ‘ ,,, l) , (av , wil 'll'er the pleadings were rightly or lya-,,1.Y " 1 " , blt this ne knew , that no facility . lthrtled by the C,, uunset On th ' e other ,:lfll.. '.'' ' ,I'': that ~."erY l echnltal olojeLa in n w" tai.. 1) , i 1 tougli i i l g i,s 411 t),V11 10 he the wish ul the House of GitlltiloOti 10 hav e h; tle.ciaiun 60 the 'cise. . In the saoie year it Vas plop,,, ied • , ` 1.4111, °Y-lbe-,.arr,e Hon. Getttletnan ull()114 i 6 ° modestly brought. 1,1 for , ard upon tor met Oceitsions an d slated ti ' • ' • un the detit, 4 4 , 1 1 ,. . le corm., ot his • father up treti on , .. ', ? ‘4' ll'illt :so.nauch t . ropr . 4. alit' dis dint ine result, tn..ether with' the eottse"' citi II . ce_s that result, ta it w ere al alt known t° le mn: It iritd hire hidtedi then , t o ' I - lead to if ttliii`jell,leritatitling wit -1‘ ons.'. ion('l-ords':„ lie, . ‘ „ ) : , 11 ,1 1 4 repeat itgaitt, upon iiiiii. subject, • that there t ut ' , Y et n() . s Yolptoilf 01' such toistin 'erstiitklitt4 ; v,„,:: t l i l ,)l if . there were, the House of Commons and Cl od i " tc1 , 1 , 1 Ju ' l Ke% . of .thrir own pßm.edinv,s, iikiut .. _ .1 . an the circumstaners they chose, to er s ! li ii,', 4l Ptuity, it was nut kr the: M.nister'of the 4. 8. - own " ") Inturi e're ; the House w. , s ..tile tolight its , f Ahlt , , , t il , :pu thi ,.. ' 4 ''° 'l'd net require to be taken under Ti n , !,,,. i, &k:ot the Mittistet in order to be Stseltere4. 1 ,, 41 i ` ,o 4l w l 'llltrit ti beet) cletemed within doors, . and , but t w..,.e1,41011•4 to contend with , then) -. without ; tire aii'o4lllo!.tlikl °ominous to assert their Own dig. vd, ~,, , .. . I" be put (town i . ii th e wa y th e Crow n th, Ni i4 ","illtrg to put t!tem• dovvn hy the advice 01 1„„ . , ", 14 r- . r. tie rOkLih,(.l with moving the fol , :. .41114 1($01111.101) ; ' --, •• si 1 11,4 wt , • . •' 1 t .. 4111 ( , i • Kilve .'4(tvisect the Princ e Regent to doubt the sl , 4 „ i, ~ . at iollikielici. ot tie hou s e ft) 'Mike };toed any tw:"i.,,r wilicn it iitiKlit app4 py 4,1,1 1 - o , Ns ' gave ;civic,: ~ ~",;- 1 „ to itisiii,h th a go' t . ''crstalating be t!, ~4 l ; •i t ic'. ' yll, ild iti , , l'ioilse ot. I t 'iTitll , 7i n i:: v`i hit.h vv" of i iiipor anc e to he imiintainett." Colonel PALsatta .then rose ' but spoke in a Voice Oat ' , Memel* to w . -. 0 of i l i a co _ 4 , tat we were unable . to hear. tin y 'ali en . i . se iiiirl.,tl.'':_ncing n liseriatit i ns, - lin Said that Ov a , an 410 1' °r 11 4111 tor Natal he Incylion,' it was themen iltr",:l.stall(llng which the' Right lion .Gen-: tv01.44 ivee c.;.thancellor of the Eichequer) that he htving liv en t o no Oppositio n , . He thought that it, H e had letter (NM I the Right Lion. Gentleman titif ii th e ii t ' r ierld 01 . his, in winch he declared,: Pint, h e „, nt e t u . ll e aAteed rto bringin g , op the Re gi‘ve It no further opposition. • FloW hur t , ill ( eel( i n , a ,,, ,, ' att;hl 11011..Geutletilan 'justify hint iviti.„nnt il ' i.. ' & ilia Rill up. to the Reuse of Nets tilt ilitfit...lYrlvileg This I,Nias the cause of till tilt 111,41:..1,. Otte of. his 't . ea . i,onS • tor. Preferring Ruh, G„,,,,u,',_ Address, was . the aas,:rtion..of theßight t:othili ::17,errlant that if i( wete • brought into the la s ea , is u o i , t.ull.'', Mr. Palmer would nut only lose 'Piracy, , i t . i t 1} "ilb.lezt to an . indictment for con. l} i n 01 ,, ,!') were to consider Mr-Palimes'eon-, ihkoltne light of any other ()tficet In a Public it iti v , nt . 110 should not defend his coodutt for his p r 4 l ti c e t t o ; r,b(1,1,i when. -Mr, ,Palmer .cotntoonicated it,4,le,it ir eklr 'ertiment, by' which . he would liavt, ipicp44lol Ictrttine-in any other way— Here his I"ritty,„4l,:idltidtle alVektred to .be greatly, 4tredied ; ,pw %,,,,,,,,,,„ .e— with some difficulty lit intering,a lito, i.,,'"!4$ w,hitth we could nil heir, he was 41 ;KA 41)1.'„,.‘1P9Werett 6 Y the violence of lily fe&:tog s., lih' 'WI ID sit d ' ,ID, sit own. qt.lt '4 l k•ltS i t • . . i;e4i',.. , 114 nil ills v ft ; tro tte d thin there Wer ft • r y o 'pre... a l - the Journals ef en tiuswer to an Address aj,,.lo,vei .111_: P..ent ; . bot ,would the flouoarable , ta , h .. 47 a nttn a Precedent for his motion i _ 'it +lie 0,11 °e t - lied . 'bY the . Honourable Mover a1t,4.,,,......er branch of tile` •Legii3lature. lied an *unlit r -fft ' lt with of HO i n aural. „„., . Use, fatal thereforo'-he , th e use ,/ ... , t.A . ,v ', that ' brabeh ,si Participation ti t: „iotie itt to, or dissent front, a rat f b it o pu - *l ' 6 . kit ' W ` it ' i g t.,,,,.tw . an ' .. 18 ,, . _bilk,' contended by aay. man ;cittry i ,thlit the ii,iiing of the Constitution . of the it anti b illoi e . v.nlei of this Hotise Were cool , b ran ,ifig without the'sant,tipn Of the' ot her tub • i '-' Al'a Legixt af -,,,, toe ear 10,,,,. hre.f ktti+t was a Praluosition . petfortn .:I'nuthlt Of doubt - The Crown had duties Il i° branch i t 1 0 the -Stine, which, BN ' °lto of ) ti was retiutsite to ixertiso.-' Tovitat • • , . • • a taste' 461 'thit.peris* iedliCed v.Velt6tild !be ornpelied to rettirts an answer tot en Address Of the House of Common's; Ififfinelified in - its expres !Rio s! • Thitilre;,airer.: Wag t,t be'taken the re: enit of advice received from Mini ters i wai pnqees. eiopably . true. It was their duty to advise the, Crorvn; 1114' Watild . no't leave tn.:charged their duty it illey had . forborne to gis4 that advice. They knew rhet the; other, House; after, taking, the duce-, merits uppn which the Claim of Mr. Palmer4 . es gaitincledleioennsideration, had t i v i ejeeled . that elaitn ; and it was not for this House to go in bppositton to . that opinionliceexpressed,•es'pecielly as votiaing had happened since that decision to after their opinion. The Hun. G-ntlethan ecitieeived that the flight Gent lenyan was joy died in all he bad done r he had most important duti-s to. perform ; he stood io a difficult situation, and was bound not to waste the public Money. The grant would not haVe been made' goiel•aut • of the Civil List Rev'enue without the concurrence of both Houses; and it was not ,advisable to induce hostility. between the ti.yci HoeseX, by votirg to direct opposition to the declayed opinion ;of Ihe'Hluse O't 'Lords. With respea to' the dis . - pos.il of the public tiiopey being vestedin this Hbese,. he must observe, that this House -neither, had bur ought to have, the entire diliesal. Toe House of ;Loris posse Seed the constitutional right of 'inter fering against intpro , ident or extravagant grants from the public purse. Upon constitutional grout* thetelore, he ,mnst" vote against tre tnetion. • . Mr. LAMB coineldtei in the ()lmon ot the Hon. Gentle Man (Mr. IlAikes). _Much had been 'said about purrs spirit in the country ; levies wha:•could not be avoided upon subject* like the present; nut' he hoped . there was no bias on the tnindof any one, in reiptat to the preponderance 'of this HuirSta; the Constitution. He hoped it wouitt always be re cellected; that the privileges of this House. were the greatest safeguard tent people had ; .led tiny N‘er,e bound to mate them, io order to teturn i;:ein safe back into ibe hands at the people untouched either by the Crow nor u C other House. It- Way kil39 pro-, per that they should not be surrendered to the un-. blijled fury or the miStak‘es notions of the people theros.-lv.-s. It the 'question •ot prirdilegei wereeie riously felt by his Hon. Friend, he ougot not' to have delayed it. a moment, but have moved a cert., •stire upon Ministers. The principle and practice of the Corietittation was, that the' Leres' cattoot origi- . nate or alter any money bilis there was itoAirect communication heiwt.:Qo Litt: ..Nloparch and the. House of Louis' upuu that subject. I i this House werenat to be eiloWed persevete itt pate ice, then it WAS high time it shank! be,givetyrip. Ida was asto nish( d Unit the objection ,ilow stated dial i not strike the N.Wister when the . proposition was niaile paying Mr, Pitt's debts; the objection was equally applicable then, and should not now be resorted to at the desire or will of any Minister. Mr. G. WYN se c linns,:lf bound by the , decision of a majority ot the House, in - recpeet tii the Clattil of MI- Pelmet, in the vote ile • should give. A vote of this House was; in his opinino,ra sufficient authority fur th p4inetit al ;my money from the Civil List, without thiieautfiority ut an Act ot Parliament. It'Wets not necessary. aDid MtniAers wan 1.-4 .he p,ssteg of at Mt when they required a Loin, to Sancttun lieu Loan? ,They ,did trot ; they aivva) S pussessc l tne of 'lnaltieg good ,their •A 3 to VV. at - had . beetystated respeeiing' the &Inference of the two liousea„ his House. had no parlia,rot utary knowleoge that. City difference of opinion teallj 'did exist. 1.3 y submitting to the an swer, therHase would give up the privileges .v loch they were so anxious to Maintain, and . would be in viting the' House 01 Lards to dispu:e . the nyacute lla► bt'thot , privileges. Sir J. ANSTTRITI4gLi thought there was no titre:. s [ion about the power possessed by ties. Hiruse, of. originating grants, or the power of the CrOwir in. it lying uetati the House for a d, .or of the principles of 'an ) of the Addresses in the Crown, he ques;toe more immediately for the Heuse to cteisider was, Whether they, having come to a resolution tq AddleSd the Crown, and the Aedress haVing teen Carried, up, it was not the duty of the Minister to advise the are. awes; and whether, .havieg se advised„. there was. tiny Ile% in that answer , A ne construed into a breach of the Constiteeion ? Weal was de sired by the answer ? 'Why, that the Horne should pause. Was there any thing uaconstitutional . in thar ? The Right Hon. BarotiLl then took a view of the rise and progress Of A. , tdies4es, which, in some instances, he observed; had been carried . a little further than strict principle could warrant. In many instances the Crown had exercised its own discre lien, against the athtice hi the Ministers.' In those times, when by Home they; wetild be considered net the worst - -when a • W:tig Adininistration , geverned . the Councils, upon an Ad tress of. the Floti,;-.! to dneen Anne, recommending the fortifying'Ch ithant and Portstnourh, the Cloven returned tor am, wer, (Which ) , according to the . cluarinte. of the preseet day, was an apSWeF tending to disturb the e tananie natty of both HeUses) that pnte was happy the House . had attended to . the fortifying Cheated') eind i'orts mouth, but that as the expense was to be defrayed out of the aids of the year, and the eXpente 4os indefinite, she wooll order the plaos and ,aciiinntes necessary fur the worts to be drawe out, and then call upon Parliament fur their aid And tifilitence to carry it. recto effeet.. That was a casein prim. He did not know , in: what part ,of the Coustitutioh it - ;could 66 found that one House issued money from the public purse "without the consent of 'the other. Were Ministers to be blamed fer'advising the Crows, to recommend the House to pause, nptfor the pur pose of rejeCtitig Mr. Paliner'S claim, but to give an oppartunity fu's both Hteu to agree upon the mode of satisfying that claim, it' well founded ? It was clear'that one House thoeelit a Bill' was the proper mode of originating the claim. The Crown did, not hotelle9ht the SufficiOcy; Pt. the ilottsP , to, make good the grant, not the ieadines4 of coMplying. All that wins duubted, was the ,mp4e ,of passing the claim ; and seeing. nothitig: objeetionable in the answer, he should vote against thin Motion. Mi. '4lolNel perceiving,- .that elle Right, Hen. Gentleman (the Chancellor of the ;Exchequer), was not disposed _to delend himself by arguments, but to trust to numbers, stated his reesops for the veer, be should give. ,Went over the history of Mr. Claims, 'admitted and recognised by sot de- It& este disLo.iiiuns of the Honee,ndl aatidteued by a recommendation from the Crown. But- the doe- trine' now set up was ibis, that the House Lortis i'itad an equal dalta, iq granting'the publte money. 'e'ad of iyirY,"yea r, ship 1 A - A House sent up to the it7y )e Appropriation 61, containing a'recital of the sums of money vot ed not 010%44 , List ; viuch ,the Lord; wcre ,desir erl ro . pass with tilf3 kill w& or—or— which " t.r stop the supplies ?"Il i the- Efinise of Lords were to differ in the griint of even one penny in any, of.the items, and refused to pass that Act;, the cubsequence would be—a repeal. of stipplies to the atabunt of about fort)" , 'millions' yvoald follow. The grant to Mr. Palmer of his pension of three thotisiand pounds a year .waw a made by an' Order of Council, for services rendered to.;-the . : Revenue,. and might not the 'House: 'of:. Commons augmenr tint grant 2 The Crown ad-, dressed Parliament to. tiike care of the Revenue; and the Rev;enue hitd . bee`tt increased, by Mr. Pal mer'S plan; to many millions. .Was it too much to . ask the Crown tb p ly a just demand of 54,q0u1. for an increase so enormous ? With tespeet to the Suf-. cieticy,' about which so mach had been said, that related solely to what bad passed betweery the Crown and this House, and nut between both Houses. The Lordi'must.fight their , own battles; and . it was nk becoming Ministers, to take tp) the.cuitgels for then. There was no question but Ihe House would make go:A the sam, it 'it were issued ; and there fore it was not for the Crown ,to doubt 'that; 7if the House were contented with the answer, he mud] feared it 'would 'nor augOr any good,•but migth nish proof that the House gave in too much tolbe . , other House. He believed tat the Prince Regent had been entrapped into the answer, conceiving that it' was the' usual answer upon such occasions.: It was not prudent E almost at the beginhing of a pew reign, to sow dissension, and to endeavour to lessen those PriViiegei Which before had never .beed in fritiged:' • • The CHANCELLOR Of the EXCHEQU ER WBg iatiS• • tied the House would dry-trim the justice to recol !eel, that he was not disposed, f:s the Right ,Huh. Gentlethini ,assetted, to shelter himstlt - undernum-, iwrs, tar lie; n6d risen immediately befoie the Hight Hon. U:ntleinan (I\rir. Bahkes)', - Whatart, however, the good fortune to catch ihe Speaker's eye.;.: quesnozi,was to'be . Oeckted, by 'argtatoebts,sand not by numbers. fie . could not avoid adverting to the differenee'of tone entertained by"Getitlettfed eppo.: site on 'a former :night ;•.they then stated; 'that in giving to the. Prince Regent the advice which - had; been followed., he '(44.r. Pereeval) had comm Wed an aa uneenstitittintial . in its nature, and nifrihging on the privileges t he' House. Unithat.ooeaS . l4ll he had, challenge 4 ,the, Hon., Gentleman to kifiogl, forward .1 he charge, as indeed it was his duty to have - done, immediately. 'lt Could not -be forgotten that." the Hon; Geptiernan was very amtious upon that "stihj-tt." What Was' the n.itur.: of the Charge, 'as now made'? • That:the MilteSs of 'this 'House Was" operative on the, CrOwn ; 1.1114 tint it became i; as: it were, the Inottlept, vissed, a Sort of imp- ti coonnatul, which the erown was bound in'ibe Wzis it So? - Did re, follow that the CrOVerf *ea bound., to as4ent, immediately all the terms ofi any!. Address Would ;any wan at i alhacqUainted with, the Constitution of the Country, elect to main tain stich a position ? Had not Criiwn: the legal; and constitutional authority to pause . nefore it complied with tjlat pr any Actuiess ti ilar nature That Wa3pli . that nit Utoa none in this instance," and when - Gentlemen ceatendedirii . a Joctrine contrary to they were nitintatonfe, what, in his opinion, would tend to. eunyettitiotn,tir', brie they Sp 001 cl,„ tiesirqd to 1 - 4..1K n--tbe anc , eut Crut,tit,oion of the land. "L'he . quest ho Oier, lor i - thutte 10 cis eTt.iin Wert' tgid4c the. /1,1(11 esl to .be, cottmclered .itt the tiiittiril 4tild itght. a vomminid ; .and it. not so to be cousitiQ , red,, , lo,ll . was it unconstitutionai in the Minister to : , (I , lse. the Cr . , wn to glvi,l otiNwer as had been given?. In' tit. nct was the ,advice prop..r givon ? and w.'t 1410 any tiling in the, manner of. ',4o ,. ing it which could lay the tdr,seis open to cen sure for the tarns in which t. , .e answer wits con y, ? As to the firscyroposition., there was no m a t., he. A ei . CoSt till, .would hesitate to admit that the Miniser was bound to give the Crown , advice,. and the Crown, as one or the branches of the Legisla.Mre,: had the undotibteli - tight of exercising Its a,sent of dissent to any measure. It o Bill. were pro v osAl and pillaitNi both - House., the Crown might assent to 01 dissent from that. Bill, and refuse. to santtion it. It then it were in - the power of the Crown to refuse; its assent to. any Bill which might p-ass both Houses, fits.<4.oulfcl like to hear the dithurn stated• wlpcit should declare . tilat the CrOwil was not 'equally competent to give all opinion,as to-any Address of this or' the tither House. Fordo that. , extent the .dothrine Most ba cal ried, if the motion tif the Honourable Gentleman• were acceded ao, He did not mean to say' tlie retutial , a part was any 'thing like'the retinal Of' santlion to.a measirrepaits ed butitilottses. It Could not be cementite that therefusal 'wait a breach of the Constitution ;, in this case it was inliiiitelyAess strong than it it bad been direled against 'a Bill pags,d by the two PlouseS:' The - - poWer-of-rettisal must then be adr mitted to eiilst in *Crown, and the tight of ad 7 vising`the'd'OWn ed r< St with the Ministers. The absOlute light a It:filial; if necessary, in any case, was not under considiAition.' It _bad not been dune.' What 'was - the answer cotaplaitied` ? Why,:-the answer expressed the readiness of the Prince Regent 'to 'dimply' with- the wishes of the House, but desired sOtine 'little time .. for . cot - 1361041t0n. -• At tho . samii tulle, howeler, he wits ref* to admit, that the answer Mnst be taken ati. the .-infswer of the Ministers;--tart. did •, it, thetet4e,' imply any , distrust of the power of the House, w ony inelinatioii inlinterfere with that power? -- It waS only disnmily telling rheas that the vOte by one branch was' not satistattoty, And inn the m sci a . 01 the two branches would be ninrt desirable It w a s not Ci)ll,, , ,titlitiiitlai to present I be - Atltlreis 'in the 'env,* atectirtiruand. :With re4peti to the piece- - dents adduced why, the PronoSition . that- this claim was one of 1 . 4 . 04 inlet justice, and therefOre . detban4ed, was saying 'other Houle had given a distil - id - aral "decided opinion' on' that-demand, expressed, as it Bail been, when the Bill was btought in upon the lubjcitt. It Gentlemen wished the'llerise of ComtnnM to quarr:l-I:v:itt rioi h the other House' for differing in oPtriinti,,, Wets i competent in'the - Ministers of the, Crowu to 'ad vi s e the Crown'-against .''He did a lit know any right which the Cinstuution gave to the one FhAis6 more thin to the other, of eajoy.ing Abe- Juxury- lea u felling,- Ministers were' bound to , .preveut it, but kv1 , 4 1 ,- _ f the ti g ht. Hon; Gerill , mart (Mr. —Tie,. the Cr:..vn to sit and see i seeiiied - 'fcii)tiifer that . to pe a ace f - i'd trntr. 6itity. " alsO consideiod the! (iti—it;oo its Ili. id rl-4 , .1'r:.T of revenue!, connected With the :1/I t ci). 14etion of it j but even on that I.c;int 11,0 it.inse had deeideC3. 'Those who Felt rre.) of Address too bill might a's ovell rail•ei.d !Li* rosezi . . ShOtaill be Priginated by "1 . 11,t pre . ec'ktlE -io, of giants - to the !)oke rifAii-triborctigh,, the E.irl of Chatham, and ill-• gr , nt tit motley budding churches; were tiltimately p•ovided 1, , r t,y AO of Parl:ament: The objlet Oldie address viii ' . it be seen through - 3 it 'W(l4' pceferred b!:caus.:„. i t theieby give the go by to the "Hou4 , ot Litchi. \V tit teapot to the prao.ce adopted C , ,liCertiVg, the" flight Flo-now:able GentteiDatt was not corre -t. \Wen - tri=tde; . the !:SLnisters ce?t.tinly previon:iy ki t:cited the sanctionof the House 'of en;ittno:q• money was -lodged in theq3ank of Em2,l4iiii !or bot it was not touched by the, Go.rrnin-lit., Until an Ati of Parliathent I passed for nuthoo , i , g its being _received into the Exchequer, not en ,, tigh for,ooe House to vota.any specifie ., ton ill.* 1 5 411'1,i:tient collettively must.. vote it. The ifmourable Gentleman't hen alluded to the. argu ments .adduced; 4 Gentlemen opposite-on tortner Pccasiuns, particillarly with respect to theAuelitor., iittip, of the Exaequer, to shew that they had Con . - tended for the hccessity of obtaining the coni.ent of the oilier tpancli of the Legislature -to tlio re ilOll of, thit otlice. He.submitted. that he had ea—, deavoured to shew that there had, not - het.% any ibleach of the. Constifwion, nor any disesp , ...,et'4o the • Commoos tbpt 011 which , was • desired wits,.: that the gr,nt should be completed by t he, sanc,thai of: Pitrl ams*nt. Having tnihde Some filmier 'obser 'l;:ttions, he-pro .ee;leo to notice the retpwiii Nvli (11 ILO fallen _from the .Honourable Gentleman (;rit - . Palmer,) lamen4ing that it should tunic tailed io his . ..lot, as a part' of •Ilisoluty, to - read- any thing, which might hurt the Honottrabk!..Gentieimn's feelings, or . revive . the recolleetion of etiticlii.,t which might lay, tire claimant open to cenvire.... /le defended the eoudnel - pursin!il by hinhelf,...io recommending the itnquiry 111 W ilr.rsN . cloirus I,vhich he,had-done from a. moti , o ‘vislitni.; A to appear as acting hatshly. He conch:el-ft ..nrt.tr , expressiag opinion . ;; that; andel- - all. the. Qi (Cll.li stancos..the .flouse would concur in,thihking that the advice, given W 33 moat pre/pet - 44nd; therefore, he.sboultl object to the motion of the I - 14u, kaii. Intl n. , r z , .PONSONBY did tint argue the questioit as a brOaqh.Of tie. privileges cat the House or Commons,: but as A - matter highly ofiensive.and derogrunry e The Bight ridutt,:Getntleman iii puttior, the olfeeswei ,words irriO . LinS,Regettes . ..mouth, seemed toe,hink dim the Houk of . Lords• possessed an equal poorer: to the ,House , of Comeneue airs relatin g T.!) , ,money. An that the Constitution, bewevei, gavte tho' . pronounsieg.Lif simple attrnative negattre , on. !money, bills ;: and they ,'were withheldefrom rrialoing -arwAleittion ill Ace» . %vital evet:. - Vw:ssidte r theriifore, td pay (flat the 't wo Mouses were Coequal, °rank thing Like coegoil, in 'niatter of money. This w3s.a:subjeci. uh • Inch 'the Moose of , Ctimmonsthaciellweys-aViticcde Heist watchful,jealousy than on any other; rn.l with jte ,tike, for s,vere they te refrain , train doing so,' puhliC liberty - would nut long be ptaserved. Tholtiglit I.lciti. Gen:Linen had no right to oesuineettat therel , ivoted,nev e ,hern eeuarrel between env two Monies of Perfitinient. The House of . aver sittiek, and it they:had chosen they might . heve preseuted .Counter Address to the PI itlcer:aelent 'Right-Hole:Gentleman stefirettirt to t tieir reetisterese betore he aasi.iePxoted, and becatne tlir uoviMcitett ally of the Huse of Loids a t oi.st the' 14 ,, tise of Commous.,-.14.- 4 1. 1 .*--to--deArat-44 , 1e-ektrims of •'-h.l - r: • Palmer. The advice which hi Royal Highness the Prince Regerlt had teceived , wie4 piest rePrehenitittlet :It was true that the Crown might.coestitutionalty refuse its assent to' a Bill ; it might . even - rejeei an. Address r but there %v.'s no instance: en record whichitte - refusal ur reje6iiiiii was founded i','lll . lbe grounds.stated in the Regent's answer to the teceut Address of 111,4 House. . Mr. WHITBREAD made a short reply, kla ebd served,,that he felt he should be in a small mino— rity ; and he declared that the decision would be a , decision of the House against itself.' Me denied that he had ever used'. the .Word " privileg4,"„ with re vett to the question before the House, in th,e way.. ‘`. that had been attributed to him; and defended him self from the accusation Of his Hon. Frirtid, whO had charged him with taidiness in' the execution of hik dusk. The argument of the Right Hon., Gen ' t‘l'etnan when he contended that he wished to. inter fere bet Ween the two Houies, was most futile. It Was as much as to say to the House of Coturtions-'-- “ You Children S you Babies ! you ate goingeo.be licked by greater boys than yourselves, arid. I. lutist take care to‘prevent it." The perseverance of night Hon. Gentleman was, Ito 'Say the 'least Of it, eery, extreordinery. .Although beaten in the , Fivese, - he still exerted himself to_regain points. W;en Per was beaten in a similar • mariner, he gave the matter-up, and never 'bad recourse to shell' ihr» . cuitons proceedings as the Right Hoti..Gentl,enyn p li opposite. Adverting to tie nea of the etete i , With; respcti , to money twai:erS, he observed, that Such . i.as the 'acknoWledged eight of. the Coinnions' in that resee6t, thatadvenees weteetiveneetiettititlar by the Bank on the simple resolution Of tl.e.lioese to grant the Land and MAI fi e wo u ld nut , take the ;pre ditrif of any than in tiontr,idietiim . in this assertion, yilliqr he, babes ea- to be the :fact,. although he had net the, meane immediately et ihici.l of preying it. Mr. Rosa-and MT. S;tIIORNTON eX;)littrie.! the concaeuf pniCeeding adripted'hr th' 1.1.1nk 'occ.4'.. siuns ttlpsc alluded to by the: Heeourap Gentlethan. Mr, l'.Slsittit silt;' that he WoUld willingly leave the whole matter to the tleckion of a .Court of Law proyidA the case sheuld, not he . allowed :to be iee by the trcent death ef a most material wit ness,..whose former exteninarion tfrl ht, hoWev , q, be reettived as evidence. He mentioned an offer ct head the Faust Seyrlin, by a ,eun r be l e ,44 n ilo tila s ci ta e te t d o antlimised to do so. At that time lieeleclitied•ii trot: after the Session was over, being` iordered iJii f t ;,» reigreservice, and conietuulatint the probability tint he would not return, he wrote to the Aiget tic!). Gene. &ppm; e - dd . I lid ho :disavowed tiny knowledo of the cffer whi.ch had befoi beau mutt 1,