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s" - ,:, Vote agalrlSt lOC MIZII)rt. Iv ilti re. gird to whether the Cornrniaee had a right to di scuss this point or not, he shn&d not enter into that consideration at present, but should give his vote upon the ground he had already stated. M. FOX said, that in taking adeantage of the right which he hal of replying uonn this ocoa s i3nt he should not trespass long upon the time of the ' House ; but there were some poinis upon which . , he c ou ld not help saying a few words. lie' confessed h e was sorry to o b serve t h e i n diff erenc e ,:. with which the real question in this case had been' treated; The question as it appeared to him was simply thii, e -s t i A , Whether the House was or was not bound to-ohay a positive. Aft of Parliament ? A Right Hon. Gentleman who stoke early in the DebatellVle..Git servreee). to whose opinion upon - f all subj'eas, but particularly upon this, the greatest attention -was due, had contended that the objeft of this Bill was to bring hack the House to the old praEtice which subsisted before the Grenville /Vl' He could not help entertaining an opinion diredly opposite to that of the Right Hon. Gentleman, be. • cause if the Legislature had any such intention, it would certainly have expressed itself in a more clear and disti \ nd manner, and indeed the intention' of the Legislature, if it was to be collefted from the ad itself, appeared to be diredly the reverse. It had been said this was a question to be decided upon by the Committee ; upon this, however, he entertained very considerable doubts. The Leg's.- lature appeared to have very clearly divided the two jurisdidions they meant to establish, firsts the lizuseevt4s to decide upon what might be . called the pleadings o f t h e case, and the Committee were to determine upon the -truth of tile allegations. But it had been urged, that a mere dash of a pen . watlld remove a ll t h e d ou b ts upon the subjed : This was certainly true, that a dash of a pen might alte every thing t h at was sacred among.men. To obli terate- the short, but significant word " nor," might alter the whole meaning or an Aft of Par liament, but he was sure such kind of reasoning could not seriously be relied upon. The persons who had signed this Petition nut only did not claim Z tight of voting, but they did not even state that they were aggrieved. .But it had been argtied i thkt their applying for redress implied that they were aggrieved; but it was to prevent these constrne ti,ons by-ti mp ti eat i on ; it was. to take away that 6 ," e retiunary power in th e H ouse, that the Aft of . f ti a ttiarrient expressly state d t h e allegalons which „le Petition must necessarily contain. Suppose thi s re t i • , au: steferred t o a C omm i ttee, and that the Cominittee were about to vote the Petition hi 'vnlous and vexatious, because the Petitioners had 3 )0 righ t to vote, and had sustained .no grievance ; (he did not mean to. say the fad was so, he was Only stating a possible case); would not the Peti:: tioner s h ave a r i ght to say, " we n ever stated that 'we had a right to vote—we never complained that we were aggrieved __consequently there was no de.. eeption in our Petition." With regard to the tirtie'at which this objedion .‘vzs made, he certainly wished it had been made earlier, and undoubtedly if it had oc curred to him he would have made it sooner ; but as to . the arg ument which had been used,that because this °b JeCtion had not been made at first, the time was tone by, and it could not.be made at all, it was not _ r titled to any weight. It-might be a very goad argument to use against a patty, whose business it immediate_rtl4,9..6takene iuuse, when tit, but . it . was no argument , in that ought or ought ht Y We!'e considering .whether they of an At} of Parliament. comply with the provisions Suggestions had been thrown out during the Debaje of bringinig pending one tf their standing oraers, for the purpose in a Bill or of sus. loner s to be heard. of enabling these Petii• measures were either of these ' Whenever of course Proposed, they would be ful:y considered ; but he bad no hesiti_ tion in saying now, that ether of them would be much less objedio ,meaning of a cle "able than to construe away the 'lie would without positive Ad of Parliament. that Howie, 'evenutti eat._ challenge any Member in r f ose of the learned pr, , lession, to! suggest any for m than thos e in the words more distinft and clear °clause alluded to. It had been . Urged that the Aft did not point: * out any specific fo r drawnf' word e • ~,-;_i _ . - . .._ which the Petition was to be sobs4 nt r e .„u 3.Yas. t ru e it did not, butt it stated the I t i a n k n e ' in elli)74ll . t vi t h- v a ' .. s . 9,ught to he stated in the l'eti -D ,*. Mtn ;/ I,'' that it was impossible to mis ' -(etitio r ,.- 77 .1' t h is c i, • • -, t .1 4 i h --, 'Ns:: did not attach upon this . Would store- -; °u ld be lb est, a p ct .,. glad that any Gentleman suppose the l'etit• Petition of which it cuold attach •,) loner, ha i l habitants" of t h e C-,) Stated they were " ri t i- House have received „thianti)4l,ls)!l !li on ?‘ un ty of Middlesex, would the said that the word' ti t g.it of voting, limt might be necessarily implz hold er ., neither di, a i n ts:' did not imply a - t he word " Fret . there wer such a tieht because tli sriu i . e great numbers o f F 1 - -' ' 1 a 'fiedtee iolders who were 3 mallnes b y law from vot• - - 'ng, either from the excisesr°f Customs freehold, holdine- places in the and a variety b e sineereb, la 3 . 4 11 a - vis) ' me nted that 4 Noble Lord (Greie itc%, —as nti t 01. the L Present, because' from his lc - now.: Rou se would haw of Eleetions he was sure the Several ce e received great information. the ca ,„ nt letri t h , t, and haaen had argued upon the justice of .”, had a . u contended that in-doubtful cases lilts w ere ri ght to checideaccording toeouity• If Meani na , a n old. obscure AEI of Parliament, the tain e d , o tt ot Which could not be accurately ascer it an e .uen it might be right to endeavour to give w as luitable construCtion, but in this case there the t° doubt, unless Gentlemen were determin. they wouidse doubts, which he sincerely hofte4 not. With regard to whit had been said abb....! ~ be en 0 ,-..". ( 1e,' hardship of the case, that had o zs i t `,:Y.. n .a tl iolY. - answered by the Learned Serjeant ring, fiiii4hiurn,era,ble cases were constantly occur ehiii,dividuals hardshp s ,certainly did suffe great but 'that was an evil inseparable from all hu man Legislation, which could only proceed upon a gen era l system, and meetcoud not be caated to e et every i n di v i dual case.l There w as no lcul maxim in the Law reo.declaim. a T a rently more harsh, or-one which miht aimed against with more eloquence than this, fa?'"antla Lep: non excusat, yet it was a maxim . ' an the Law o h no la every civilized country ; an d i ndeed w could subsist without it. Therefore every -argument .upon the hardshi n o W p of th e case cou ld h ave PI , eq,,ht ; though if any rational mode could be LONDON, FEBRUARY 3, 1804. GENERAL RdCHAMBEAU, the late Commander in Chief of the French Forces'in the ,Istand of St. Domin g o, has arrived at PortsmoutlA,itrthe Revolu tionaire Frigate, which has likewike brought home. the Dispatches of Admiral Sir Tirora*M"pirt-:x wolt-rx, respefling the Surrender of n tbelr ) vnch in that Colony, which will of course be published in the Gazette of to-morrow. We are sorry to learn by our Port Letters of this morning, that the Outward-bound West India Fleet which sailed from Portsmouth about a month since, have been dispersed by the late tremendous gales. The Courageux, of 74 guns, Rear-Admiral DAcars, returned to Plymouth on Wednesday with about forty sail of the Convoy ; another of the Vessels has put into Portsmouth. Several bore away for Cork. THIS morning two more Hamburgl Mails arriv. ed, but as they are of a date prior to that of Sun day, which came to hand yesterday, they contain nothing worthy of detail. A SELECT Committee was yesterday appointed in the House of Commons, to consider of the state 'of the Civil List Revenue. The objeft of this tnea sure, as stated by Mr. AootNoroN, Aq,Eut,the House in complete possession of the-statez.ofithe Civil List up to the present time. .'t Yesterday morning between elevelluind 'twelve o'clock the KING rode in his Riding-house. At twelve o'clock the QUEEN and the PRIM. CESSES took an airing in their carriages, attended by the Countesses Ay LESBUZY and CARDIGAN, for about two hours. Soon after one o'clOck HIS MAJESTY gave an audience to Mr. ARTHUR PAGET, previous to his going to Vienna on his Embassy. At two o'clock His MAJESTY held a Privy Coun cil, which was attended by the LORI) CHARM./ N., Lll uußc MI • kJ r... 1 L.:IOW, I,IEI LAND, Viscount CASTLEREAGH, Lord HOB ART, and i\lr. YORKE. The RECORDEr. Of LONDON, attended, and.made his Report of :tlir:.Con;ikis capi. tAlly conviaed the two last Sessions in the Old. Bailey. The Council did not, break. up till half. past three. • . The PRINCE of WALEs!s indisposition, we are happy to say, was very slight. On Wednesday a small quantity of blood was taken from His Royal Highness, _which restored him to perfea health. Yesterday His Royal, Highness the DUKE of CUMBERLAND arrived , at his apartments in St. ja mes'i Palace from Winchester. Yesterday the Earl of'Gcrt,t.ntoßti arrived in London, from a visit to the'rfetziont. of WAI.S. at Brighton. Lady DEE kHuks . i,isiorepartng an elegant Pair of Colours for the Loyal WjrCester Volunteers, which are to be presented to her son, who is the Lieute. nant_Colonel Commandant of that Corps. The Duke of MONTROSE arrived on Wednesday last from Scotland, at his house in Grosvenor_ Square. It is stated, upon the authority of a Perscit who lately left Paris, that it was confidently expe6ted there that an attempt would be made upon England before the tMI instant, but what reliance is to be placed upon this authority, we will not attempt to decide, It now appears that the small squadron, with zo Troops, which lately sailed from Toulon, is cominanded by Admiral GANTHEAUME, hut its destination is not known. The following particulars have been received from two Gentlemen who have lately arrived in thiscoun. try from 111adrid,and who came by land from that capi. tal to Bourdeaux. At Bourdeaux these Gentlemen found the Irish Officers belonging to the Irish Corps des Guides. They are 30 in number : Dr. M'NEv IN was one of them. ARTHUR O'CoNNoR and Mr. tNIMETT were not among them—the former is at Paris, and the latter in some other part of France. The Commander of the Corps is a Colonel of the name of SHE r, who was with BONAPARTE in Egypt, and is much in his confidence, At Bourdeaux these Gentlemen found it impossible to obtain a dinner in private at the Hotels, and were therefore forced to dine at the Table d' Note. At one of these Tables di !Jae they dinedin company with twelve of the Irish Officers (Dr. N(l.4Nt vIN was one of them) of the Corps des Gltidet. The, : :Army under General AUGEREAU, amounting to ws,oco men, was at that time defiling from Bayonne and Bourdeaux to Brest. The Officers made no' secret of its destination, which was for Ireland. The Troops were extreme. ly well disciplined. The late disturbances in La Vendee are represent. ed to have been very serious ; they must have been, or they would hardly have been noticed with such earnestness in the Annual Exposition of the State of France. In this country we did not know that they existed, at least to any alarming extent. They are said to have been produced by the following cause : The Western Departments of France, at least those in which the Royalist War had raged, were exempt ed from the Conscript Laws for five years. The young men of other Departments, who wished to avoid the Conscriptions, removed into the exempt ed Departments ; and this praflice coming to-the knowledge of Government, they- took off the ex emptions.—Hence these disturbances. These Gentlemen add, that there is an idea en tertained in France of some explosion against the Government. New-York Papers to the 3tst of December in. elusive, are received. They contain nothing inte.. ret,ting. It appears that JEROME BONAPARTE is at length married. The circumstance is mentioned in the Nevll'l' ork Advertiser of the 31st Dec. in the fol lowing terms :—" At Baltimore, on Sunday even ing L sr, by the Rev. Bishop CAttitot, Mr-JEROME BONAPARTE, youngest Brother to the First Consul of the French Republic, to the agreeable Miss ELIZABETH PATTERSON, eldest daughter of Mr. WM. PATTERSON, of Baltimore." :9 r:n!:i. ....... Yesterday morning the 6:ities of London and Westminster Light,Horse Y.olunteers were insped ed. in Hyde-Park, by ,colonel. JENKINSON. They mustered very strong, G both i mounted anci*dismount ed, and after a most minute inspedion, at which Lord HARR I NGTON, General BURR AR D, Colonel MQUARR E, and several other Officers of distinc—, tion assisted, this pattern Regiment performed, a variety of new mancouvres to the admiration of a vast number of spetlators. The ground was kept by a detachment of Dragoon Guards. On Wednesday morning, about three o'clock, the town of Ramsgate was alarmed by the drums of a detachment of the Ist Surrey Militia, under the com mand of Capt. WM. THomsort, beating to arms. In less than a quarter of an hour 200 of them, with their Officers were on their parade, as well as a detachment of the ,sth Light Dragoons. The Sea Fencibles, and Boatmen of every description, were on the alert, in full expedation that the French had landed. Nor is it easy to describe the disappoint ment expressed by the Troops, when they fouud that they were only called out to assist in extin guishing a fire that had broken out in the house of Mr. Ramell, a tallow-chandler, whose premises, with their contents, were totally destroyed. The town was greatly endangered, and the exertions of the military preserved a considerable part of it from being involved in the conflagration. On the 23d of last month, a magnificent Coffee house, called Borfenhalle, was opened at Hambu;gh, which has been erected for the meeting of Merchants and other persons of. distinclion. The opening of it was celebrated in ispeech byMr. HOSTRUP, well known in London ; and by a.Clincert under the di ration of DtrssEc and ROM B E t RG. Upwards of Soo of the subscribers to this undertaking were present on the occasion. The expence of the building amounted to 400,000 marks ; and during the week it was publicly shown, 7000 marks were collected from its visitors, and were applied to the relief of the poor. It is situated near the Exchange, and unites every agreeable circumstance and accommo dation. It contains Concet t-rooms, and a Literary Cabinet, where all the most popular Newspapers art to be found. PLYMOUTH, FEB. t.—The Col , of guns, Rear-Admiral J. R. DACIES, whir about forty sail of the criatward.bound West-India Fleet under convoy, which sailed from Portsmouth abotit ii Month since, returned here this morning, hay. ing been prevented from proceeding on the voyage Hy the tremendous gales of wind they have experi. .eneed at sea.' On the 213th January, seventy-eight Sail were in company, and on the 29 , h, only forty three Sail ; the remainder bore away for Cork. The following are part of tilt-. Ships arrived here, viz. Tlic Matthew, Flora, Sir Charles Hamilton, Jonah; Juno, To'loch Castle, folios Cmsar, an:., Francis and Eliza, Lady Arabella, Alligator, Canada, Anwlbella, and Reward. Sailed the Niobe Frigate * and Seagull Sloop of War, on a:crUize. A few days since the Boats of the Golia h and Defence Men of War, were sent to cut out an English Merchant Ship that had been captured by the Enemy, from under the Batteries near Rochelle, which was effeeted, but unfortunately with the loss of Lieut. KENT, and another Officer of the Marines, and some of the Biats' Crews wounded. Arrived the American Ship. Ohio, Capt. HALL, from New-York, with tobacco, for orders. PORTSMOUTH, FEB. 2.—AI-rived this day HiA Majesty's Ship Rewlutionaire, Capt. LOCK, front Jamaica, having the Dispatches from Sir THOMAS DUCKWOKTH, and Gen. ROC HAMS EAU, on board. Also arrived the Bon Citoyen Sloop of War, from the West Indies. Sailed His Majesty's Ship Fortunie, for the West Indies. The Montagu, of 74 guns, is this day gone out of the Harbour to Spithead. This evening put back to thl Motherbank, the Ship Crown, which Vessel sailed the ad u't. under Convoy of His Majesty's Ship Coffrageux, accom_ panied by a large fleet of ships, all which have ex perienced very bad weather, and were dispersed, The Courageux is gone into Plymouth with about seventeen sail of ships. The Crown has her stern 5 1 1,..;geStrU 111V1rig ICIICI 111, , , VCIILIVII,Z, eye should not oppose it. With regard to the sug. gestion of - his Honourable Friend, of, a ltering hi s Motion, he had no objection wha tei r e f JO it; in: deed he had at first an intention of bringing it for ward in the shape of a syllogism, and to have moved, ist, That the 23th of the King had enated that no Petition could he received, in„ which the Petitioners did not state that they had a right to vote at the :Eledion ; zdly, That the Petition in question con tained no such allegation ; and 3dly, That the order . for hearing the said Petition should be discharged. He was very willing to shape his Motion so now, Mr. ADDINGTON said, across the Table, that he could not withdraw his present Mb`tibri 'without leave of the House. •-• • Mr. Fox said, he was perfedly aware ' Of that, but he thought that Gentlemen would have' wished to come boldly and manfully to the decision 'oithis question. He knew very well that many'People would have no objection to decide upon the conch_ :ion of a syllogism, who would be very glad to avoid a decision upon its other component parts, and this was, he believed, called the royal road to a decision. It had been said, one of the Ptolemies applied to Euclid, to teach him mathematics by a very short process and without labour, but Euclid informed him that their was no royal road to mathe matics. Upon all these grounds, he should persist in his motion. The House then divided—For the Motion 24 Against it . 96 Majority - 72 The ATTORNEY - { GENERAL obtained leave to bring in a Bill to iodemtav the persons who had afted under the Order of Council, respetting the Ex portation of Corn to Portupl. The CHANCELLOR Of EHCHEQUER moved, that the Committee which had oeeti appointed to ex. amine into the j.,int accounts between Great Bri tain and Ireland should have power to sit 'on Mon.. day next.—Ordered. CIVIL LIST. The CHANCELLOR of EXCHEQUER moved, that His Majesty's Message of the isth February iBoz, respeaing the Civil List should be read. The Message was ordered to be entered as read. He Said the objet of the present motion was to put the House in complete pussessiOn of the Civil List up to the present time, he therefore' tniived; that a Selett Committee be appointed to consider .of the Charges upon the Civil List, atid tti report the same, with their opinion thereon,lcili the Flouse.— Agreed to, The Committee wascomposed of the Chancellor of the Ex. chequer, Mr. Secretary Yorke, the Secretary at War, Mr. Pitt, Mr. Rose, - the A trurney-General, the Solicitor Gene ral, Sir William Pulteney, Mr. C. W. Wynne, Lord George Cavendish, Mr. Mandiog, Mr. Wilberforce, Mr. Steele, Mr. Plummer, Mr. Ellison; Ldrd G. rhynne, Mr. Riley Addington, Sir J. Frederick, and Mr, Vansittart. The Committee was ordered to meet to.morrow, and five to be a quoruM. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that he should next week move for a select Committee to consider of the means of adjusting the diprences between the Cotton Manufatteters and the persons employed by them. Adjourned at a quarter before nine till to-mortow. MA i La, OVA. AlRlveo. a urbu rg it T - •- - - - PRiCE OF STOCKS, THIS DAY AT Tls 4LYS O'CLOCK. CCHISOI6. - 55 Red. Ann. 56 THE SUN. SOLEM QUI: DICERE RALSUM AUDEAT stove in. DEAL, FE B. 2.—The Cyclops, Champion, Idarfiy, Curlew•, and Starling, came in last night, being blown off their station. Sailed the Cruizor this morning, on a cruize of Ostend. Came down the Chatham Lighter, from Chat. ham. In the Downs —the Monarch, Utrecht, La Virginie, Leda, I mmortalite, Brilliant, Cyclops, Squirrel, Champion, Vul. tore, Curlew, Harpy, Perseus, Fury, Zebra s Speedwell, jackal!, Locust, Archer, and Starling; Abundance Store. ship; Walimi Castle, Winchelsea, Cirencester, .Glatton, and Sir William Bensley, East-India Ships, With . the out. ward hound, as per last. DISTRIBUTION OE PRIZL.MONEY. The Ship Isis, and Fox (3), hired cutter, for the re-cap. tune of the ships Union and Maria, will be paid on board the Isis, at Spithead, To-morrow, the 4th of February. A distribution for the capture of the French private Ships of War Courier de Terre Neuve, and L'Atalante, by the Plantagenet, will be made on board the said Ship at Ply. mouth before she proceeds to sea. It appears by Letters from Brixham Quay, re ceived yesterday, that Admiral CORNWAL,LIS, in the Ville de Paris, was in Torbay on Tuesday, in company with the Dreadnought and Prince, of 98 guns, the Foudroyant and Impetueux, of 84, and the Colossus and Conqueror, of 74 guns ; the four ; Liat saiicd from Plymouth on Friday last, to join: he Channel Fleet,:having been forced to put into Tqr. bay. CORN EXCHANGE, FEB. 3. Tat: Market has but few further arrivr.; of Grain to.day, waiting better supply ; those articles continue at little alteration in price ; the few parcels of very fine Dantzic reach 6os. per quar ter ; Malt is almost without sale, and at less, as are Pease; Beans of both sorts at small variation; Oats are in but midlling supply, and keep at last prices ; Flour as our last. Wheat 35s a gzs a sls od Tick Beans -27 s a 33s od Fine ditto r ' .54S a 55s od Oats - as a 2is a 23s od Rye - - - 2,Ss a 31s od Poland ditto 24s a 2 5 s o d Barley - - Os a z3s 6d Rape Seed - - 351 a 3SI Malt - - . sos a sjs od Fine Flour - gos a gss ,od White Pease :,, r ,33s a gos od Seconds - 3i's a gos od Beans - - 3os a 36s 6d A Battalion of the Dutch Army, destined to invade England, is commanded by a,,man of a very terrible name, Major STORM DE GRAVE ! Bank notes arc not the only fabrications in France preparatory to invasion. Guineas of base metal are, it is said, coined in great abundance at ail the mints of Paris and Brussels. They are worth about livres, and are full weight. The Jews soon de., teded them t and have put their correspondents at Hamburgh, .and other place upon the Continent, upon their guard againt this new money. These guineas are mostly of the years 1797 and 1799. Yesterday Mr. Recorder made a Report to His Majesty of . the following Prisoners under sentence of Death, in Newgare, viz. Mathusalah Spalding, for an unnatural crime, John Green and Jiihn Pounceford, alias Ratty, Daniel Fitzmaurice for returning from transportation, Michael Brown, Humphrey Crawley, Sarah Cheshire, Ann Hurle for forgery, Margaret Cartull, Cecil Pitt, Samuel Jenkins : when Daniel Fitzmau►ice, Mathusalub Spalding, and Ann Hurle, were ordered for execu.. tion on Wednesday next. The case of Jeremiah Cornellie and James Draper. convis9ed for cutting and wounding Thomas Cuult. man, was not reported.