The Sun. — London, England, 1814-11-09 00:00:00

• that the Sth of C tuber, 1813, bad been a most painful nay for t /ern : the Americans were then • let; lonse to ph rider, and : the Moravians were obliged to surrender every morsel of bread.in their possession, t heir potatoes,. and 600 pounds of flour svhiel t ;hey .had. laid up for their winter provi sions„ Not even a single outhouse was spaced. ..I . lns was nut under the pretence of retaliation ; was done tarough mere wanton cruelty, and after such an example. on the part of the enemy, few persons would b,e -disposed to quarrel with the Orders issued by Sir George Prevost. On the• 4th of August this Commander stated in these Orders, that such conduct was derogatory, to the character of America, and to the honour of hu manity, and felt it his ditty, in consideration of the safety of his Majesty's subjects, which was exposed as long as such outrages remained un punisherl',..to call loudly for retaliation as a 'pre ventive measure, trusting that the Commanders • of his Majesty's Naval Forces would seize every opportunity that offered to retaliate, on the enemy. Having thus shewn the fatal but urgent necessity of retaliation, he would sincerely joie in deprecating and la tenting it. But now it rested with the Americans to give us the example of forbearance ,and milder proceedings, and we should be very happy to follow it. As to what hadLail. been said respecting the violation of private property, the enemy themselves acknowledged that the plunder had been committed by their 1 , own people. The .Honourable Gentleman bad also attacked another branch of the Administra tion, the Board of Admiralty. He had stated that the British flag yielded no protection to•the British trade, and that the privatcers of the United States had swept away all our merchant vessels from the seas. This was rather an extraordinary as tertion. But perhaps the /lon. Gentleman had made , a mistake, and meant the _Aoierica, instead of the English trade.* lathat case, the people wonld molar easily understood him. The fact was; that through- . out the year only 200 British vessels . had been. taken, and not . oue of them tinder convoy. Of these, indeed, eleven were not compellable to sail tender convoy. 'These actual losses would appear. unimportant when comparell : with the extent of our navigation. He would select a year, even under Lord Chatham's administration, 1761, in which tbeaminber of captures made by French privateers amounted to 800 ! At that time, how erer,,. our navigation was not one-third ateconsi'-' derable as it now was ; and yet no one thought of saying our trade was not protected. 'Such.a number of captures, on the present scale of, our 'navigation, would be equal to at least 2.500 vessels. On the other .hand, in the current year ; not less than 37 American vessels laid been taken by' our cruizers-; of these 38 were Government Yes; sell,_ and 199, privateers. Yet, instead, of tejoic:- jug at ,the successes thus c.btained, he felt. More inclined to deprecate the,continuance of the war. But the hope of its_terudnation by a secure peace' Iptist depend on the willingness, of . the Anierican Government to meet our terms. At this peritrd, be thought it would be improper to be more ex plicit. Ile would therefore giV - e no ansiver to the intimation, rather than the question put to him by the' lion. Gentleman respecting the state of the negociatiOo at Ghent. The propOsed. Ad dresses, he repeated., only went to thank the 'Prince Regent tor the continued expression Of the pacific disposition which he professed, and Satisfac tory proofsof wh Jell would be laid before the house svhen the•eorrespondeace between the begoci ators', should be produced.._ As the flourishing state of our revenue Vv,:is mentioued both in the Speech- and in the Address, it would no doubt be expected :that_ he shonlil give some statements to Geri ify that liare*aSaertion. He would 0 - (') it by giying a comparative view Of the produce of the revenue in the last two year's. In the last quarterof that concluding on the 10th Of _October, 1813., it bad amounted to 18,53.1,000/. In time last quar ter finishing on the oth October of the . present year. to 19.437,002. The reveinie 'Of the whole year ending is October, 1813, was 60,876,am. That of the present year, end ing in October last, 63,461,000/. which proV ed an increase in the last year' of two lions and about six hundred thonsand potmdS. • receipts in the Customs' in 1813 were .1 10,16;,•:)06/. ; in ISI4, 12,423,000/. So tlig there was in this single branch an increase of 2,256,0Q0/. The Excise, in. 1813, had produced 22,561,000/. and fa' • 1814, "24,160,0001. He would not trduble the Ifouse with 6016' details of this nature at this mornent; but would proceed to spew the progress of trade since the year 181'4: The returns for the present year were , not coin. : pletely nyade out for every part Of the country he would, therefore, only notice those of the port of London, h jell' were the most perfect% The value of the exports frQlll . that port for three guar- .tees" of a year were . . - In 1612, 14,446,000 In 1814, Z25,8(28,000 ' In 1 18,9M,0(161 So i ).:ir 1813 nearly doubled, and .181 A almost trebled, the amount of exports in 1812. .It might be said, why since the revenue was so flourishing, should money he needed ? Itwas natural to sup pose that the want of money was one of the rea sons that had occasioned the early call of Partin- inent,. and that want sprung from the arrears of 1813 and- 181.1,. which remained to be The• necessity of yroviding for the liquidation of these had occurred at an earlier period than was expected. It chiefly proceeded from this, that circumstances had arisen which had led Mi nistt rs to *apply nearly the whale vote of credit intended for the Army, to the service of the Navy. Thi %vas done tsithout injuring the inte rests of,(►nr soldiers, but solelytecause the number of seamen who had returned had far exceeded the, rdeulation . that bad been made. Oct that tccount the army arrears were considerable. He hart only taken up the points which he thought required cxpianatinn at this period, an d if the . , ../Ipnourable Gentleman was not satiified, lic'really 'did not Allow ‘vliat he eoulft say more for his gratification. The Honourable Gentleman, .tiOur- I. N cr, "badcolanenteci on the.procetdings of the Prince Regent in air ering the. title Pt Elector of ilanover inr . o that of Kiag. The Electorate of 11a ti.over vas 'the only one that remained in Germany, find had nOW midergune the same alteratiou as the test; Wilea - t he German Empire had ceased to tic , elective, and all its members had assumed what title/dtvy pleased,. the Decor pi: Hanover was ccoainlyuo . t bound to remuin , satisfieti with eau in- ferior dignity. That Electorate, hoWever, would be neither increased nor curtailed in point Of terri tory, in conseqttence of that alteration, and the as sumption °fan empty title could have no effect upon this country. At the same time he thought it his duty to state, that the erection of the Electorate of _Hanover into a kingdom had been desired and recommended by all.the great Powers on the Con tineot, as, likely to perfect that system which they were. entleavoining to establish, to secure the peace and happiness of Europe. He then reverted to the contest o Canada, and expressed his hopes that the House would wait for the justification Of: .Sie U. Prevos4 conduct before they formed'and pro, 'maimed a decided opinion. To judge him with out other evidence than that now possessed, would be an unjust proceeding.- The lion. Gentleman who had taken up ha defence had, however, done it in a manner that cast rather an unfair imputation on others. Ile hag rightly stated the honourable acquittal of'Captain Barclay by the Court-martial held upon hint, but he ought not to have made it-a ground for - aspersing the character of another of. cer. cer. On ,the subjects which be had mentioned, the Hod. Gentleman' would be at liberty to bring forward future any motion he pleased; the House was now only called upon to present those general professions of support which it had, always been ready to give. The pre-eminence of the country would not be less displayed- in yield.; ing proper support to our just pretensions across the Atlantic, as We hod done in Europe - . We now:Conteniled, not for our own exclusive sights, but for the restoration- of , the.ancient Laws of Eur Ope atud of 'Nations. We , .claim to no . right - which we 'denied to • others ; but if America would not con Seat to. do us and herself justice, he trusted that the country would afford his Ala j • esty's Monsters its warm support to enable them to close the war by an honourable peace. Mr. Eeets claimed the indulgence of the House whilst he should wind, cate a Right Hon. Friend of his (Mr. Canning) from the attacks of the Ho, pourable Gentleman opposite.. His object, was to ali me some observations on -two` of that Gentleman's speech, and he only undertook that ditty becaese, though sensible hoti ill it became hint to obtrude himself on the House, hispertonal knowledge inenced him• to think he could give a satisfactory explanation. The Hon. Gent., had made two ch'arges on his friend. The first was for neglect of his public duty to this House in ae 7 ' etpting the embassy to Lisbon, and the other for having brought an unusual ex Renee upon the court, tfy. To the first, he would make a short, and he trusted, not inisatisfaetory answer. His Right Hon. Friend's deteriminatiion to repair to Lisbon bad been taken long before he had the prospect of a public situation, under the heavy pressure of affliction, and •in the hOpe of saving the life of his Whether such would de devilled worthy of being admitted, he would leave for the !-loose to decide. As to his hot baring altered his deter titillation, and delayed his departure, at the ap proach of the opening of the Session, he had, not dope it trout an apprehension of facing the . attlek made upon him in thellouse. Indeed; he did not expect that his absence or its cause would call for the lion. Gentleman's attention and reproof. As to his aceepting the situation otAmbassador, it was a point on which it wouldr gill become 16111 (Mr. Ellis), to say any thing. His Right Hon. Friend's conduct, in that instance, must submit to he fredy canvassed -by the opinimeof the public. But to be unusually severe upon it might almost convey a ootioa of personal hosti lity. As to the increase of expeuce which, it was stated his Right lion. Friend had occasioned to the tountry by accepting this sittition" he trust-: ed he should prOve the charge,uitfounded.„ His Hon. Friend felt sonic reluctance to take upon himself the same credit and responsibility as Sir C. Stewart. lie wished that' those expences_which should be considered unavoidable, should, be first submitted to those who had no interest in their be 7 iog fixed too high, rather than left to hint in. the persons of his house. He also, perhaps, :doubt ed whether the same forbearance should be shown ' towards him as towards Sir Charles Stewart,--- lie - therefore required that the extraordinarie3 should be submitted to limitation, only-retaining such an establishment as it would be proper for an English' "Ambassador to maintain. How far that principle had been acted- upon, he vottid not • take upOn nfinselfto say : but that his Right Hon. Friend had brOugla no increase of expense on the nation, a comparison of his allowance with that of Sir C. Stewart and Sir Henry Wellesley, would stiOw. The former received laSt year 28,090,/. ; 5,0001. being his regular salary, and 23,0-00/..fer extraordinaries and the latter2,',ooo/. 8,000/. :IS his salary, and .19,00/.• for exi.wedi naries, Note, Mr. Canning's own salary was Ii inited at 3,0001. a rear, and 6,0001. for extraordi narics, forming a deduction Of nearly one-half what Sir H. Wellesley had received; and exactly one-half the of Sir C. Stewart. This, therefore, in- Stead of being a ground for reproof, ought to pro duce no other feeling than that of satisfaction, as instead, of being augmented, the expellee was in fact materially diminished. In saying this, be wished to be understood not to cast the slightest imputation on the expenditure of •either - Sir C. Steivart or Sir H. A . Vellesley ; for- both of -them he entertained the highest esteem, •and he had no doubt Of the nweeYlea•Ane• been properl applied ; he only meant - to 'establish the fact, that Mr. 'Canning's • appointment' Was not .sxtravagant,, 80001:.being the appOintinent of Ambassadors on• the lowest-scale, and the 60001. for extraordina ries being given as a inatter of experiment. He concluded by thanking the House for the atten tion shown him, and' relying on their candour and liberality towards hi's Right lion. Friend. • . Mr. TiERNEY thought that as far as 'the Hon. Gentleman's defence of his Right Hon: Friend ,concerned the public it was not satisfactory. As to the propriety of his accepting the appointment in question, every man certainly hut a right to have or change his political opinions e but he thought that it was not very delicate that a:Righit Honntnable Gentleman should have"ateepted st situation under a Noble Lord whom he had "de clared unfit to hOld piny office Whatever. The Hon. Gentleman always compared Mr. Canning's a"p poin mien t with that of Sir Charles Stewart, Ivlio, 'he was ready to acknowledge, had well applied the stuns he had received ; but Was there no thing intermediate bet Ween Sir C. Stewart and Mr. Calming ? Had not Mr. Sydenitani filled the • same office between 'them ? What Was that Gen tleman's appointment ? Were not tie views of Government towards Portugal the salve then as they are now ? What rendered an Ambassador to that cokintry wore vv , mted at present than at that period ? Instead of having diminished the public expellee, Mr. Canning's appointment increased it by three thousand pounds a-year, for Sir Charles Stewart had only 50001. whilst the new ArphaSsador was to have 8000/. per 3alllll/1. If explanation was ❑ot given, he should consider the whole as one of most outrageous jobs ever entered into. Because we had been in the habit ofwaSting 28,0001. a year, it was said, that we 1 ought to consider ourselves very well of at having only one half to pay. But he did not consider hiMself well off at all. Had not Mr. Canning - been thought of as an Ambassador, the same dit ties would have been performed at 'one third of the present expeuce. Mr. WHITBREAD MAC some observations on what had fallen fron► the Chancellor of the Ex ' chequer respecting the necessity of retaliation . the American war. Mr. BARING, in a speech of considerable length, went into an examination of the causes clf the war,,and of'the minner in which it bad been con-, ducted. • He admitted that the AmnericanS were: the aggressors in the -war, because we had re moved the only real ground of complaint they had, viz. the'Orders in Council. He was also satisfied that the AMericans had no ground . of' complaint for the 'conduct of our troops at Wash- . Ington, as it wits justified on the ground of 'reta liation, Mr. 8., however, thought that the 'war had not been .Well conducted on bur part ; and he was convinced that we could not wake any serious impressiOn upon America. With respect to our• Firiances and Cotnineree, he by no means conear red in the flourishing statement of the Cbancellor . of the Exchequer. It was obvious, that upon the opening of the Continent there . would be a sudden burst of trade, but he thiought` there was great reason to apprehend that it would not continue. Mr. Ii&THURST attached himself chiefly to - re.; fute the arguments of the last Hon. Gentlentan. Unlike Russia, we could not dtiband our force, as until their settlement by, the Congress takes place, the security of the Low Countries would only-exist.on riper, unless' occupied by our troops. He vindicated the management of• the. wan• in America, and the conduct of the Admiralty, Which profiled convoy' for_the ships which chose to ac- , . cept of protection.—lie thought an Officer had a right to offer• to: the inhabitants of any town flut ing into his hands, not to nse the 'usual rights of war, on conditioti of their surrenderini4 certain articles of property. This. was only !lying a•con -tribittion upon them, which every' one deemed :laWfid,,and which they only paid in kind, instead of money. Lle'deprecated the gloomy view taken of the contest in America, which must be pushed with vigour 6•yende.r if effective. Sir GILhERT HEATHCOTE could not approve of that part of tbe.Addres's which promised further support hi the prosecutiOn of the war in America, inasmuch as the cause of the dispute had ceased since the general pacification on the Continent . ; and after tOttching farther upon our dispute with America, concluded by declaring, that he was de cidedly against the .eontinnanee of the Neat'. Mr. .FueEmANTLE inSisted 'on the necessity of an inquiry,' at a future period, info the conduct of the Admiralty. 'He was 'astonish e d that no notice Itaci hitherto been taken of the large Bri tish army maintained in the . Low•Countries ; and that no allusion had been made in the Regent's Speech to the Convention, said'at the close of the laSt Session to have' been concluded with the Al lied Powers for the maintenance of such a force. He reproved the conduct of those Sovereigns who seemed only Iwo.: agF,rrindiztitnent. • :Mr. CHARLES GRANT thonght the American war had been unprovoked on our part. He deprecat ed the gloom With which its events were. viewed, and at the same time trusted that Government would use - its best entleavonu to btftig it to an hOnourable teethinatiim. WI-11-i'BREAD enquired- whether there was any such -Convention .as that mentioned by Lord .Castlereagli at the close of the last Session, as being signed but not ratified, for keeping up a lidtish - force in the tow Countries A conversation then 9fsued between Mr. Bathurst, ,Mr. Whitbread, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and Mr. Tier-. net', relative to the propriety-of laying such a Treaty, if it did exist; before the house,' or at least noticing it in the Regent's Speech. It was admitted, on the part of Ministers, that the not noticing the Convention in the Speech was an omission, but at the saJne time they stated, that they had at present no insirnetions to ruale . e any cum timnication on the subject. - The Address was then' pat, and carried without a division, and referred to a Ci;munitter appointed for the purpose. Mr. WHITBRE inquired when the Chancellor of the Exchequer intended to bring forward any Plan of Finance ?, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER stated, that the first day, when the House could possiLly go into a Com mittee of Supply, would be Monday next, when he hoped to be able to move some Resoltitions: Mr:TIERNEY reqtweted to know what course he meant to pursue with respect to the Property Tax. The CHANcEnton. of the EXCHEQUER was riot prepared to answer the question as to the course lie meant to pursue, but Should not appoint an early day. -•-, Mr, TIEfiNsY thought that a full attendance could not be expected beyond the present month. The tnANcr.m.on of the Excur,QuEn did not intend to brio; on tins tvroperty Tax before ChrifAmas. • Mr. TicuxEy.—Nor any other %Vat. Tax ?_ The i.:EANCELLOR of the EXEUCQUER.—No. Adjourned- The PRINCE REGENT went to• the House of Lords fioin St. Janies's Palace in very .splendid state, and was loudly cheered on ilk entrance, and on his return to St. James's: He was decorated with all theilltistfioUs Orders, and looked remark ably His Roy4l Highness -entered the state carriage at half-past one o'clock, accompanied by the Duife of Mcitsraosu . ; as'Master of the Horse, and - Lord ..T:N ME 5 MURRAY, as Lord in Waiting.— The . eight beautiful cream-coloured ho.t•scs were 'decorated with light blue ribbons. The attendants wereeonveyed in four Royal carriages, each drawn by sit► fine horse's, sinii larly decorated. The proces :Sion moved in a very'splefulid style, being preceded by six trtnispeters and a . kettle drummer belonging to .t he Life Guards on horseback; itt• their richly embroidered' uniforms, who halted •at the Horse Guards,and played a grand military inarch as the •PI;UNce passed. Life Guards lined*. the Malls of St.Jantes's Park. Soon after o'clock, the' REGENT left town for Windsor, to, be present at the *celebration of the Princess AUGU6TA'S birth.day. • '... 1.... - ...-........--..... ,ILie, NiAIII,N. „, , ; 01;f ' Anns , 'Et)-1 Gut-Est-vier and Jersey,} W ritt" -. : 4. ‘ . on, I Holland; flan k - , ____—....m.,.. LORD-MAYOR'S DAY.—Holiam, at t h e Even. T. lle India and Sout 1) Se:. 'gooses.. O lt ,( 1-UGH WATER AT LONDON 0111 061: ', '; , 1 -1- ol e4l _, Nlorning', I 5 minutes after 12.1 Eveniag, 4 ' -j _ ... „,. " ; .,:r . " /- , ... . 7.......----- ~............, Tiff s- !1 ' ?: • J. A I, sot. Est uuis nick:Rs: FAr.soNtAu 1.0 DON, q TrEDNE N SD.IY, NoVe.lll3E'-' 014' ti 00 5 0 /4 The length of the Debates in " th • fl eie Parliament last night - , prevents oar eutefielvito any length of comment, either IV ° tbe to pie REGENT'S Speech, or the multifarious the agitation of which it gave risc• Ali ',tam e; as we anticipated, from the existing of the world, is of a very general n3tl' " its 10 not at all like the supp o sitious doeanlc'':l„,l which som of our contemporaries a Pri°ri;ifiiij themselves. and the Public. We re-bW;rtbleat to official form to-day, though we were e ° ll ,6 l° communicate it most' accurately even impression of THE SUN of yester'l'V' 0 51 With regard to the discussion %chic') it( upon the Address, we, may observe 11° , 0 4 01 dulced nearly as little information as Ol d ' , 4 4 , 14 , he imagined. amen dment w 2s 31 : yor either' House, and thus; on the opcniag`",t, Inuit, the Opposition confess, that o,o‘l' can cavil ening& they do not know lia` r t At ise es 4 In fad, they urged no point which hi ' s ii:pie over and over again canvassed in th e * % - eP ti ' li fOr the last three months, and with the e t % t egi e '! of Lord MeLvit.t.F.'s very sa tisfoeWY s kre ri 46.- on the subject of the naal part Of 6ur o f ' 1 ; contest, Lord LtvgaPdOCS : rious important matters, and the Cll4lb7c the ExcticatiEn's allusions to the Col6 ther e ; and - Financial Prosperity of the Conn" ). ll ' nothing in whole of the long SPeec were delivered worthy of particular' ri n ot g e. WarrErtga . r, made a long aux! ramblirir iP'-r i o 111 ' 5' t in us k s % e 'l ( i f ie n h oo l: i e ng to . u . c ll he: i t v ip e o n i t i teipveornv thing' port, and - surmis e ; b u t too k esp b ee 7:l.s4:;re to ill°d7 his arguments up o n th ese i n disputabl e dal4 .. a bli : 1 4 that. the Govern men t o f B r itain was 10v4r. 0 the wrong, and th e i r a d ver saries as lut°riocl"'e' the right. I. with all his dill ' 400 . 0 001 mo . ry in retailing the slops o f the illoril in ° no t he cut but a poor „one •, a nd had rollY ne .c. syllable,to urge whi c h wa s deservins f or c biol. When no greater chr a ,es of ali n et tiO l be brought against Ministers thlo su ch j e( ging complaints as these, they may i 4 04 flounced. to have most triumphantly °II° ,if affairs of the Country. er: port' 10' Mr. BARING (an i n telligent mail , ' 0 . 0 04, on American politics) differed tot() " 11° . t i / ora l „ WHITBREAD on that question. " I ,viv a. take it, will be thouglikt sufficient re f oile d . five hundred such udigcsted and uninlybri,r;' cusacions as his Hon. Friend delights It) If ()k J 7.‘ j. ,00 I. —LLIS S explanation respecto liir 'r s Mu; NING squares to a letter with tvh at in this Paper. The manful attack ol pi. re guished 'Gentleman behind his back' l b s o t "it --- • bb l bibition of party candour and ap t ' o ff , ;it of trenchment is Sb e Wil to be the essence A t () the Public will hardly be .perso a bitter yelp Of Mr. TIE lINEY. . < / 0 1 tl'‘ The PRINCE REGENT will I*Ceis"C tl'e .fO illt ' of the two Houses of'Parlialueut ro -fri'il , i . o tt l o il' Levee, h ot, t , t to It was yesterday stated in tbc CltY.' .4 0 l' if ei g rice had been received from W"'11111ruO:fiotl'i (late of the - 1 at • October. -The deboteis " re ii)''' 4 ," ol d ; are said to have been carried on "'i t i `', o . l tt ' 1 ,4 virulence by the different prtics , "'''''' APV , respecting 11e War With this country! , , pi. is !' t 4 (I: f a r t t i y uee. were ‘ l v ef i t l . a , t up ,i 7 i t y t tbueletohcecasi:3:4ll,trieuf:tile :if ceflain, but a change 'of Athl,inistrat:o te 1 Dis t O I C thing lurked for.' • . v , , 119. 1 ,4 i / 'CORN-EXCHANGE, Nov. 9."-"" ' 1- 01 V" C4:4 pt( a loto f . - i r ict i nie v lgs a e, l i s ,vaa o s any - kind of Grain this 111 w iii e 'tll l- 1 what was left over from A j or yky -' ; sr Ito! iti . . 4 o , demand, lyiiere zt , s . there tbe sa 1 elsa sv,.evreie:krecietie-15,:i::0if11041):;:, submitted to. throaeleta cause, the be quoted at the W I , ; tl I ° A li, COMMON PLEAS.—The importPrie:ipbOl'e4l4o, v.. Rev. GitoßGEthpemißv:ovN. S , i ‘ r va il s • ' .7e '" -- teib .t , l:?:.„ .i i, r! jo id i , in this Court, Si r VicAßy. GOnivioli. rail the ..cooleitictv notneed judgment in favour of by this decree Sir 11. B. t.JPIM. bC ' til ° d sessed - Of the valuable Atlvo‘vs() ut oc i of Bradwell near the SLi , ESS( .3. 0 1 th e , • ' - te draws, Oil haen lastd t li e d ‘ a v Y li (If 'w'till':sbelill:::e:r?irrceril:°;r4 Dap ; which, if we m‘ , judge ll . ' ' is ° " .1 traordinary demand for the Ticiiet°' tier'y vo,;4e, LoNDQN : pii,Ated 1)% .1. 1. c,kitsir,oll;;;l.S9 A.DI',IP4 ao~flty "O at tt). •.; 'Pu ' etl • '‘"-pi:4'. • , N,-()IFICE, 'No. It 2, St l9.- I` 41cuts. Orucrs, Letts:rs (put-pai4)? "m9de )vith the 1:41 h1