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were employed tb brink in e 4 nders, they might be tried with perfed security to the Country 'by the . usual Courts b£ 'justice. :He regretted that he ; should differ Upon, this subje& from .ro....:Many..A.ofhis Cbuntrymen, but he confessed, that'nhiore particularly after an Union, which Vas to give Yofingland.iindAre. land the same Laws, the sane Rights, , :ana same Privileges, he did not like to find the Peo ple of Ireland subiset tolhs•Ntartist kftw . , while the People Of tngland are enjoying all the privi leges of Freedom. .had this night bgen brought in for continuing - ibeSuspension °Eche Ha beis 'Corpus in Velluid. ,l'afraps Siriiilar ingL l sure nnty soon, be` propoiedifor,Grear If sitishquldrite would abet it, : for he cotAcl.not be content to see.jreland deprivsd of ;c• much of the essence CirilieCAAirtitian - ,41111e England is enjoying all the privileges - of the Stature Should ,shclf dift itAflegt4ationcycentinue to tbe rrulde for Ircjed, `where.794l,lf . i lhe r identity whichprocrnise4 toViWuce he tifeeit the Frve.LCorrntriesTPl.l4"is and never has been the condua held towArds.Sc.otiand. Nyhy . kiippici t iit. be held towards I relard ? ,He wt t 3 ,that Ireland, should' be identified With something - clic 'than Ta'x'ation.— , 111-11tiatiltIniqgkst ito.the/ idle possi bility of leaving the Power to be exercised iaths t. aral mannerin,lreland, under the protec . tOp pithe Miliiary.,,Aibh lie alloWed.to be still that by .such a plan ther.ezWnuld be atirdilieulty, to get ..Witnesses to speak the truth, or Jurors to decide with justice. Sir L A CIZEIVE E IPARSONB.-obSebt d, that in the unfortunate part -ta--which this Bill was in tended to apply, it ,bad been alledged that the Country ,liad ,becti nwq-arily put under Jgattial Law ; iha Abe Judges could not in safely go their' etr i cbifs;ana l tlfit Juries were afiiid to do - dtity when called Upon tb deicide . on the c:arks of; those who were charged , with Rebellion. #e believed that these were generally 'unfounded, and in paiticulat casei, exaggerated accounts of fatis.—He believed,. that in the Province of Con.. naught there, had been tinlY iimeourt Martial for the last-year,-: He was pot, ..mtre whether there was atiy Court. Marti the Province of Ulster, and none liat,,heAnew at An;„in short, that the whole, or i vaEy nearly the,whole, of the administration.Oflgalaffairs was confided to the old, known, andwise. t aykkegi t 24 thc . cpalit!9n and Statute Laws ; iri other words,., the Civil COnsti tittiOnal Authorities of the Land, - as they were in . Ebgland ; ancl.eVeTv thing was ghat under authority. If this Was denied, he would isl; those • fion,-Mentbers who supported this if they teeolle4ed ksingle instance of the Judges having ahyteif to go Upon the Circuits, or, being - on them, of their meeting • any Juries who flit any difficulty' in - perforiniiig ,their cluty,whenccao&of 45... i begon came befurtiSrin ? Or did coupsslit„ for rEeCroWn.eatrilifa' in of any ihiiig of this na tfirell-LAAsseition'increedlhere•wii; but there Wai no proof that the orlinary Civil Authority in Ireland was-dint sufficient for 'then conviction and - punishment .of guilt, and protection of innocence da'itiyAleY.; and he must huinbft'insist; . that it was- on proof,' :and. not assertion; a "Legisla!ure otisht.lo.64..ituided iu .the raeasures,it adopted : tfinArought him to the conclusion ,:that When of_ . fenders were broakhi'forivard On . Charges of 'any kind, they, might as well .be, tried. by the ordi. nary rules'6f `LAW isboy at'y itigdroirs 'mode to adopted.under rhis,Mlr, - and indeed much bet . • for the one could be excctirecl without - a Mut. • n i k it, 'WheteiS . the other innst-excite great discon •••tent.:•-Llterand,lie believed, WAS now remarkable for tranquillity—the County in whichlie resided was particularly so ; forte' rtiZw,PetiOe,men whotj dined at them' ease . and 6 itiro Y ter, ad their E a ll s -and,Assemblies-, there; and went_ to and fro l i aeallliours in the night, without the - Vast mo_ lestatioh. County of Tipperary had forinerly been : r epresented, _as . livi n g - besti - in a desperate 3 6. ie,-and nith as tO Cali most for the r igour of Martial Law, and yet he. kaowlamilies: who appeared to be perfeftlrat their comfort, and without any'liplprehenionx‘4liiigkr of danger. Sucl. he believed to be :the general s t ate of Ire . l an d, fie 'died not Mention this tot -eonvey' any insinuation . "that what' other Gentle Me- stated A bout the dangerous state' of Irelabqva s unfair ; t bcp :ipoke :tram . the impression' lac h .circuni stances made on their minds, rand : Jim state of their, 'feelings,.:; .311' he. meant I) : ,Sfty was, that from,every thing he knew, and f.r.m, all the in. formation he could collt4,.the conclusions of these }ion.. Persons a:ere erroneous ; he said this wit vieirt/rcilitkin4 effell, L. pakt of. which altberwiscbaZe--..an injurious toiether th, an ac: bad already appearedrr :for, co otrft bf 'he' ate t l egiretted - 'the( wiUCli came, #pip., P..taW,thirejf—a§,-.3sreeniich represented '1 rot ` a s being , In - VlAle'leady for , Rebellion, for . whiCh"therolv.is ; iiii:foundasion any where', .01r4s,i4ithe WlOes- of these rumours, if uneontraclitittd,. might bestriarious to the Empire. Hewett Id-only Idif, is a coOfirma '-titili.t§f heliii6 - =' by ti r riilti / P f al!elVit 2 aly,',VlA.flit ItiQges in Ilelaud,*re•gbillg,thOc.Circuita.,, wereass gl ikßand-i• arid cii'"O''.'tlfte taiK 'tea: concerning the state . of treia;ci d ,' to tool,, 614 tai O rbe itieiniousi but tiiti)r were not inn f ocent - ; On` - contf . 4.ty; so of'Olem %vettcertainly wicked. •.. •• fir:- 41z-r-PQ NS 01414 Y-expre&ged-gre-at-c.oncern and feelinglor'what unhappily passed in Ireland ; but kile'kotstiim - now4eforg the Hdusewas; not uP9p„,4ll44,Liit siti .. iyela nti; .bti r trlf is ksVit the best means of . a . towa - rTs:,,t, at plartrnis Majesty's. Dominions, so as . to procure comfort to the Inhahitants . in future. He was, himself) . perfeclly.satiSfied that Ireland s ; at moment , an a stltie.oftrinquillity., FEe meant so far as that . no reasonable man. could :say there was .inr ger, nO.irnmediate danger at least. He , prohettiLikwever,' ae ca t,l*.same timt, that Ti l~imd 'Was set to of 'consideable dj.septiK,l4, 114 ; pleasure Was indeed likely' to creite.subinission, 'but Was , lll:'ealcuated to allay discontent - 'lt therefore- eared-to--hints - ort-a-coinprehenaive view of all circumstances, to be the wisest fefitty- this Country,could,, atT'tht ti le a( 1 44:2, et* tEas. L- At: Wettipte tf Irel4nd like the people of-Entlititdry let theM" lett all the blessings of a getvd GOver:rt: , • merit -If ' this policy 'welt adoptetlplie shOtild-' have Ittlipeskthat the affedians of thelitish - periple: i wOuldibe restored. This was kAitaitiliaiefti*Vit 4 4 i whkilleitt ery good man would aim-a't.'t) This , i;lef jet:lll6 7 s Itrit : likely Ito be attaine4l -4745. till; '3 , land thetikire it should not have hiss ford t iK Lord CASTLEREAGH said, that ,be . ttiaititte , the'llon. Member fMt. TA T - L ott) wikiii4tAlfig to the , Vaistion.before , the Houle on infOttna!riokli and it was in that view he was desirous of an- stvering , him, and • not to say any thing -thlt,stias ipeitottially disresPedtful ;to hinl, or to .treat 'hi, !ohseriyations direspeafully ;''and in that' View. of the Mater he must 'repeat, that, nothilig clotild he more'unwarranted, than that of the HotkWenlte man saying, that stiCht Measure, .were bikerriin Ireland as he stated, under any authority what ever - in that Country ; that if he' meant" ft:4c- ' tacli to any Iriih -Governinent, either dilling the continuance or since the conclusion of the last .itebellion, any adoption 'or countenance of Torttre, or other cruelty, there was no foun ,dation.whatever for his to dbing=-stich a charge 'was - wholly and absolutely unfounded. He would not say there were not many unwalfr aritabie and cruel- aas done 'during thatitebelliedi ; fie Vas' apprehensive i that many such had token place,.and that very circumstance afforded 'stick* reasons far the adoption - of the measure now before the tfouse, because those very ads of cruelty Were committed by' individnals for their own proteactin, as is ap. peared to them, when Government had . not snlE dent intans to protect them. These cruelties arose out of the warfare which,. took place''be tween the Rebels and the LOyaVSubjea's of 'His _ M A j qllt. • Many things Isvere - dOrie then *.hielt coukt not • be justified ;in the abitigl.; but - the justification -of theni was .put open the,prineipte 'of Self-defence. But as an argument in favoiliOf :the BilthOw before the House, he'would observe,' 'that from the moment it passed . in, Irelanch.'ihfit species of individual violence Sub Sided ; but 6o 'part whatever of the blame arising out tif_fht4'. ads . of 'cruelty was, in the Most distant-tkg4e attributahle.to Government; and the systeni'iffiith was iiinpted.y nil er:this_BilLinixeland had-been iaaed upon by , the present Lord Lieutenant, whose humanity was . as ctinspicuous'as lis courage, by which the lives and fortunes of individuals, as swell as the Country itself, were pre s erved tom Ideltrudion. This _Bill was therefore- to .pre lien r those cruel kis from being repcatrd by iitiividu als frdtif an dpprehension of theli own Preserva .tion -; -and-that they had been so much 'avoided; •was,ow . ing to the ,poliey,adopted under this .very . 1:1111-a policy dictated by hutil'anity anctjiis . tiCe;, for by it Individuals were satisfied that they had prq;Otion . under - the authority, of Government, :and therefore there was_r2o necessity for them to take their own protedion into their own hands :which they would do;•'. an& which they .could:13; ?driven .to, unless • Gove_ininent were armed 'with' this kind of authority; . for tlie Tkehels bald a sys tern and regulated ,plan of pr o cedure—it was an , - organized Conspiracy, not-only Asltinst . the State itself, but also egainsi:theperson and property of , everyindiVidual' b wh4._ adhered to Government this,Rodticed atl which, no man could justify ; but 'they sfiauld be attributed to the true cause..— .He should hardly think it necessary to say much more on this subjea, after 'What had been said on it the:other night, 'when it , was so Mich &- cussed ;. but he could not help observing, that. if the Civil Power were to be :dime applied to for the trials of offender's in rebellious pursuits, there must be a Special Com Mission 'continually ,sitting . in,sotpe parts of Ireland ; and after all, lot would be very inadequate : co the ; suppr e ssion t" the mischief: In Limerick, he knew that disturbances had continued for four months • to igellieri bat although this might - be the'ease in 'other places, he should not argue from such cir_ cutnstatiFffs . i . for it t lappeared to him. to.be a ,bad , , -•-• '. - - course s for a . k.egislature to pursue, to ma ke cPad molts from local and individual cases ;,..the busi ness of, ;he I,egis_l4tpre was 'large and -general, and its proceedings should be founded on a COM prehensiys view-,of things, and from.a full con vittion, . of, the 'true and general interest of the State.. IA that view:, this , Aneastire appealed to him to ,lie : necessary. If Gentlemen .wanted in. stances of the 91141:n4400o of, the Atbellion,, lie would refer them to pl?c,es:in,whic,h,Courts.Mar tial were . s,ittog, noc.,pf . Tits 44mty's Force t. tit of ilie 'kaki; hi tileti• Oivn 'Calif; in .wlllot, hey proceeded ,to try . those whoa - they called ltititor's, thaiis; those VhO . dliFnoit':adhere io hen/ ;- and Alinkie they - did nol.ohly n cOndenth, - ut executed. 'al'so i.• • This theiT: did :by 'I -envying [. front their statiaf'i RI thb ritighf;• and' to i Which tliq retiirnedagailitieforl:day.:light. I•l6'CivilPO4i' koa& take' i here iii'itiihii' into considcrition, nck otffis'inWeilelbftee'' of the fia 'bo riad; c'Atk'in ' [ hat of a criminal who had taken an oath tO'ber' PraltWandjherludge litust'• hive told the Jury hat such evidence. would not do to convi& thed perused, -because it was the unsupported - evidence Of ah accomplice; on Which , it:.was:not the prac..- . , ici.liof Courts* Justice to :convidi i. and' these:, attempts to enforci.)jusiice.atillgoeure. tcanquilli . ... - : y, would..onlyuhdve ' (Nit:ad the liv t es, of/kiis Majesty?s , iloyal Subjeas ; and therefore, .under this complication devils, it hadbeen.deemed ad- Visdble.):to4paisithis:.Bill, . not . to -overturn, .but to rrotth his ic.TVLuniiipal Law: With respell to the observations which had been .made on 'the. tranquillity' ofrlreland . xivithis morienti - he had in , little to say 'at Present; he did state the orhermikht Altai he:believed,. with a feW excep_m lions; Ireland , Wat ginerally.tranqua, and that, a. 1 ipixirof:Ltiiial tit akial-i over the)Coantry ; .but-' this he believed was greatly•owinkto ,the spirit i infused intollce' lokaltnhabitanti by.thilL,Bill .;, for that the rebellious spirit which-had annoyed them;>l could not; in their aliprelignsion; bepucdown•by. J tiy. other 'eniarts. ~Cotild.any more decided proof eLgiiien bf.the titilimofth - e measure, than that tin- .' er it A COll n try Junbeen•restored from Rebellion r 0 TianqUiilityl4f any•Oebtletrian, wanted. an in tance of how. unsafe it was to.trust to the ap., ; pearance of things-ashen they-were trenquilfaiter a distabanceiiie :would advise .ahem to look av 3 hiPtataite* . 'stare. of tilt tottityt of Wexford-, • NO 1 ‘. • - . lace it 'oiled** liptipt43" Ili , b44t1,64 tranquil tid happy-than 7 t lid • qou rit yof • ‘VeftfOrtit and yet is tu rlya flees. broke : Otit 'I Were , llViceltirthey verc east ei:tfittled. -'eve hadr;.seentififyitiqeefieatee; ithat altholigli , iglitleliar tiviitia illii r yt 1 had: 1 416 M re_ Istored in .Ireland, yet that thettilftit*e's - and the feelinks ' of Telielliaii\Pfiits'-Thei6 l remain !ed ' the- sjarne, - fór'cifiiP had - 'sworn liliiitred to ,the- GOveilitiiieirt Jlatridl fin' hitaelibfent -to the' , , !Enemy; 4honi . they- would assist whenev.er they had an" opportunity of-so doing,- and -there was nothing they were not confident 'of cOunterading bilir-ifie energy of. the Bill' now before the House. 'Phis. Bill terrified the Rebellious, and encouraged the Loiy4l. L-VirOO! the House now abandon a plan 'so salutary,'" put to fright. the tOyal, and revive the hopes of the Rebellions, . Which it ~4ould clO if it reje6led this Bill.? 'As to the Judges, it 'had been stated that-they had, gone upon their. Otilitits; and that JtA•is . had done their duty in :nany cases—that he .dict net deny ; he believed that in many 'cases Juries had done their duty, and he believed that -in some they might have, acme beyond it : het if The Judges had 'gone to seem- places tb which he had already alluded, he was sure they would have returned to the Lord Lieutenant androld'him, that if any trials took took'phn!te for Treitiiii In such placeS, the Prisoners must either have . been acquitted contrary to evi dence, or the Country be thrown into the'utinost . confusion. Gentlemen on the ether side bad it ledged, that nothing 'would.inake them assent to sucha' harsh I.x.v, but the, absOltite necessity of it : now upon that . necessity . , :there could be no doubt whateVer; unleSS 'they tot -ally disagreed from him on- the faciS in this ease; '•and be did not comprehend how that could Kitten, for, they were very plain,and even obi it:Ai ;,ili 'was reddinirtinded to Administration toisliew aitel, hold out 'to the People of Trelandi'giioaGevernment ; he hopCd they woul&haVe rid other ; 'but - the abandoning the eauk 'Of ThOL4fral; and giving encourage_ mem to the WillelliOut- was no part of a toed t_ ..... ) GoVernment.: .- , Pie leading objet of a gOod Go- . veriatient Vras,'SeCurity to those Who were loyal, ant that was the prihciple ofthis Bill ;-if it went fti‘rthei thhn"a . sound discretion, ought to diaate, - then he ,mtist, admit it went too . fir; but he did not • think so. If it '"Wis' unnecessary, then it was not' a measure elproteAidn, hut iippresiien ; but if the GoVe'rnMent of Ireland srotki, - as . he had stated ,ir, and the circumstances ,of .the'Cliuntry were `such as he hail stated them; and which he trusted' .he had proved. them to Ire, this would'hea inea sure of ani l : • - :sure proteelion, to the 2 LOyai. of that' Country, and would lie ki rigiirded by. Mein ;. and it would . operkteoiot, only against 'the Enemy within, but als6- the Enemy without.. :Nothiti; would appal the. I;:ncmy - within so mach .as shewing them - that they arc to,be exposed to : the prompt ' igou r and cfrcaual energy of this Bill and 'this' would - keep them quiet nothing would so much damp the hopessiftlie Enemy without, as to let tilein see that- the Dii6ontented- among us are but fewand feeble: whereas, on the contrary, nOthint would, encourage both So much as to shew that we are disunited; and that the discontented part of us is so considerable that the Ruling Power 'cannot tiubane them., But when it should appear that Government, supported by 'Parliament, had both the power and the disposition to silence dis_ i content r and to put an end to a rebellious spirit, ,that would be death ko the hopes of the Enemies of the Empire, both w i thin and without—it would iclisorganize the one, 'Ana disappoint the other. fie begged pardon for having troubled the House so long upon this subjekt a second time, hut he was persuaded that some things which had been thrown our to-night called for some, at least, of these observations. Colonel JAC KSON spoke in support of the Bill, .as a matter of necessity, on account of the great progress which the Rebels had made iti pre vailing upon atieluded multitude of 'persons to take the Oaths which they tendered to them. It was unwise to be too confident of security in such a situation of things ; as a proof of it,' he in stanced the case of the Inhabitants of , that part of Ireland where the Enemy lanacti : hardly any body was supposed to have any 'wishes In their favour, but i t was sUrprizing to see how many hael. , taken the Rebels' Oath, when the matter tame to be examined. . Cbionel M AltriN assigned his reasons at some length for giving his 'Concurrence to the Bill now efort the' Horrseijatiti Consfidered that . it' *as ready recommended by the fruits it bore, name. y,' that •of having - -restOred Ireland . to tranquil_ i ityi - 14e was pleasant on that part of Mr. TAy 't.ott/s' Speech which Welk it for granted that the Torture.had been used' in Ireland under the au-, hority . bl Governmtit;' Which,. he sAilit, - not only' a 'reasoning but a reasonable man wtiiild'have rf:- gaited some' proof- or, ' Wt. i e t 11 c 2 "0 ci t eti r ; it sn - rodndlyi- In takitit it vie* ' of th z t liiiiolet'iti. !which Lord • Gift fl'wEAL.Lis- haft a ttira,: -7 ti Met 'the' OuthOrity of this Bill, he , pkiek'a haft&dtrA s corei. liment to. that exnitcd Chaiaeter. ' - 'He denied' that ahy Torture - (that was to kty,..that.any.iiiil itishment was inflifted with. a i.ieik Id iiiaking ' 'ritons confess ) . - for that wis Tort'tir'eruilder any uthority-or. ibunienance 'of the O'bieruitlent Of re(laild'; . :whAtever cruelty l'inel''Keil' eiertised; :Je wits iliWijffeit •Of the r;tgc• Of individuals, ' W Ho bad. not the I temottst coraieBioti k.villi Government.,. anailt4roae frbin 't sence t.htise individuals 'lead of ilie-Iti4f4 of inseCtiriry in which they - stood ; 411 whiCti vas put-an end to , by the Bfll . nciti: befdie: l - ilterlikift§W. '-' Hating had' "iittit proof of the - gbo , . tfett of this Bill, and being convinced of its 'rte. oticitY;' he hoed vol.e in it, f.tvour. - .: :Afi., GO'f.firri...;-.1 - .-I}' expres<cd pleasure at eAltiinesb nia'ny Gentlemen from Iteland . dclivet: . his 'tentlrtients' in the. House, and Which they itt,so Muth - to their advantage. He was, how very not.eonvinced -by anv 'thing he had beard, Of the. 'propriety lof exten ding - Marrial-Latii - in irelaml; any mare than Irkeing such Law . as the • tale Of AOion -iii - dui Coliatry. He praised urd CoR fi*"..u. t Is ' finr hil cbndu6.l.in Ireland, flittthought fifs Wlof,tll and' etiergy would keep Out Co untry-quiet .kirhout putting it under Mar tial =Law, - RS- the Marquis-- of TowNstir fro did many yr.irs ago ' when liewas LOrd Lietteetiatit of iTergAd;anct lik es lid was creilh - fd eold'api Mar.- t ;Ind declined it, but pittetted tnelisuiei A milder nattr.e, and-for which he bec=erhe idol ofthe Petipre of Ireland, and was , . rettembered , With gfatitude; and affeftip to thus-hoar, by that brave •Kencroas, with; a , few exceptions ; loyal kopler.- Having-. proceeded some time in.. his .6nlOgium on the charader 76 - 1 that .Nobler Marquis,• ht returned to. the question upon the' present Bill, and obseeved, 'that many of the ar.:' guments which had been.urged for the Bill, ore.; rated, in his mind; As: reasons Against it i for_ it appeared to hirri .. to be a tyrannical ; -he ; called it so, because it introduced into Govern:: ment a rigour that was quite unnecessary; •It unnecessary, because it was al tleadyi and without any such aid as this Bill gave vernnient, in . ' the power of thfi Lord lieutecane to issue Warrants to apprehend those whom•he suspeeted to be Traitors, and.tb try, or•confin6- them without trial, at his will. This power he would have under. the ...Bill for. suspending the Ad of Habeas Corpus in Ireland; which was now before, the House. He thought, therefore, that as there . was no real necessity for the Bill, that it would not have been per sisted in, for it would blast the expeetations of. the People of Jrtland, who had been L`X_ peCting, and expecting, bUt who had been dis appointed mote than once.; and be was glad to learn that the,Right:Hon.,Gentletnan (Mr. PITT) who was once the leading Minister of the Crown, had manifested in the way he h4e, done, his affec tion for the great mass of the People of Ireland.• He wished that the People of Ireland should not, he disappointed ,by any thing that Was now doing, or might be hereafter done in Parliamerkt, but •that they might see that the. C ommons o f t h e United Emp i re now in Parliament assembled; wished to do every thing: in their power to serve theM, and that no sUbtle means, or under-hand' devices, or unworthy arts, should b e ma d e u se of 'to keep them from the enjoyment of what they had long looked for, and expetted to be accom. pushed by the Union—that of being . put Von a footing in • privilegeS and. advantage's with :the People of England.—He then took notice of .the !observations of his Hod Friend (Mr. TA1 . 1...i:4:), and maintained, that' tlttr order of Lord C6it't , i 7 wAt. I:is, to put amend t 6 the System of Terrot, proVed its exi stenee, as did also certain Publications sheW; that a 'high Law CharaCter had - sanClibtied that system. So that there was the app r obati o n . ,Of one' - great Chrader, and . the Order of Lord tediscontititid the Systern of Tor . , .ror, in Irelart, pretty clearly to prove :its hay ing'bnce e4isted.—Havin repeated; that, in his mind, there was no actual fOr thiS Bill, he should be inclutid to oppose it in every stage. lond LONGFIELD 'recited several cases, in which Magistrates, in the execution of 'their offices, had been fired' at, and other airt, of atro_ city by the Rebels iii Ireland, frorn which he ap. prehended the present Blil' to b`e necessary. This was folio‘,oed by a Sitnilar dect.tration byr another Hon. Member, whose name we could nut learn. • Mr. DAWSOY observed, that it hadbecti, said, that by thi's Bill the House was calW"Upori to cure a grievance which did not exist'. He would not speak at much length upon the _matter, but he would deliver 'his sentiments, in as few words as be was able. He should be Sorry to apProve of the principle of such a Bill as t hi s .— He should be sorry to attempt to justify such a principle. The Bill, therefore,. in his opinion, could not be justified on its own merits. He was sure the Noble Lord who brought the Bill for.. ward, hid too much reverence for constitutional do trine to justify, the Bill upon its own eiple—;-No, it could not be so justified. What then was the justification of the Bill ? The state of Ireland, and that only was the justification of the measure. If it was necessary in the present state of Ireland to. .preserve the tranquillity of that Country, it was to be justified ; other Wise it ,was a Monster in Po.. licy—He said, that he represented a great and poliuldus Cbtinty in Ireland,,ind if he was to be guided by his Own knowledge and observation, after having iniked and lronvArsed much with his Constituents, and received froin them a great deal of important infOrmation, .he should not hesitate to say, that the Bill was not founded-on any neces sity wharever : but he 'Was not tilAt soft of Poii- - tician, - who would' vote on the means he hid of being personally 'aclnainied with 'u think, in ut ter defiance ofmny - information Whieh the Debates in that House gave. Mtn. In the 'coa rse - o f, t h a t Debate, he had heard many Hon: MenNcrsdechie, that to their personal-knowledge, Severil parts of `lreland were in a state 'to render this Bill neces:.' 'saty, and - therefore ho aituuld nut -oppose 'ix, al :though' he hitnself did nbt know of any emer , ncy :that lequired He should, 'therefore, vote for olke. ;Bill, but, he was' happy tb-obserie,. that there 'was a Vriabability Of t-otneparts Of it being alter 4clin The 06thinittee ; Such, for:instance, as that :of providint - that tione 'of the Parties who were to sit in Judgment, tin the Coutes-Martial to 'be 'aitiltorizedby thli Bill; shotild be'tinder the age . 'of=ty-tilty.one. was certainly a protiiSion whi•ch atiatogy 'alP the afraiii Of life that wee to be ikeided' byr 'the Law, required that the Jurors should be twenty-one 'years a! age.;,,lFven'in 'the arse bf a'lrian being ".convicted .of a crime,' Judgment-upon him .must the' arrested,.: if it should - . appear. that one of 'his Jury was under age; and if this was the Ikalc.of Law in,casbs where' the life of the indi ',vidual- was forfeited. by. .conviaion, it ought to • be applied' to.a..CourtJ/lartial, in order that. that Cow t should be made is nearly analogous to Civil Jurisprudence as the,nature of the thing Would 'admit. He hoped, _therefore, that due care would 'be taken of this point in the Commit. tee ; it was a defe& in the present mucle of con. stituting Courts 1 1 / 4 1artial, which ought .to be re medied. ..1 - lavipg said this, and .begged it, tol)e understood, that _he had no personal knoWledge Of any. circumstances which.made this Bill neces s,try, but that he gave Gentle Men credit for sin. cerity, Who ambled; Won their knowledge, that it Was necessary, he should not oppose this Bill. Mr. ALEXANDEkatid, that thiConspiracy