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• .1 , • ft..x v t -t• •,, • ; 44 - r-Th //...2 I A Pel i _ e..fl s U N. )S/ 1 4 Pi / NUDIIIER 9312.1 SATURDAY, JUNE 29, 1822. PRlen SEVMUt NCI*: put it in their power to make a difference between those who had politically offended and others. Sir It. WILSON said the Lords of the Treasury in what they had done on this subject appeared to. 1,6 animated with a spirit of candour and liberality, which made him feel the less reluctant to leave the matter in their hands. He hoped the cases of the parties would be fairly considered; and it' in any instance an acrimonious correspondence had already, been carried on, he hoped no reference would be had to that in the decision which the Lords of the Treasury would feel them selves called upon to pronounce. He begged to withdraw the clause. ,!s -ay Oa R. and MRS. ASH E'S ANNUAL CON CERT (Lady Gresley having kindly granted permis s!N will take place at her Ladyship's House, EDWARD r.REET, PORTM AN-SQUARE, on NVEDNESDAY EVEN -I\G• JULY 10, (to commence at Half-past Eight), when s everal of th e most favour i te VOCAL an d INSTRUMENTAL N IECES will he performed, the Particulars of which will be "flounced in the Bills and future Advertisements. PARLI AMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, FRIDAY, JUNE 28. This day the House met at a quarter past five o'clock. Earl Fl TZ WILLI AM presented six Petitions from Owners and Occupiers of Land, in the county of York, against the Corn Importation Act Amendment Bill.—Laid on the table. a ch ea 3m The Bill was then passed; after which a short conversation arose between Mr. W. SMITH and Mr. Lusinswr ox on the subject of the title, which, in the end, received a slight al teration. Tickets, atll ... :lla ... Guinea each, to be bad of Mr. Ash e, 7, warvrick-street, Gulden-square; Clementi and Co. Cheap lute; at Chappell's and Birchall's Music Wareliuses, Bond ;treet, °uly ; where the 'rickets will be issuedlinmerically, order to avoid disposing of more than the House can con /eoiently accommodate.--Money cannot possibly be received the at door. COUNTY FIRE OFFICE, eta PROVIDENT LIFE OFFICE, REGENT - STREET, LONDON. PRESIDENT AND TRUSTEES. The DUKE of NORFOLK, The DUKE of RUTLAND, The MARQUESS of NORTHAMPTON, EARL GREY, LORD BRAYBROOKE, LORD KING, &c. &c. &c. DIRECTORS. 1 ' 44 No h • 1; rt Sir Henry Pynn, Const, Esq. James Sedgwick, Esq. ;_ r ,Jollti Doyle, K.B. Hon. Washington S h i rle y , r r l!ert D own i e , E sq. M.P. 'Walter Strickland, Esq. I r : l3 .Nlorl an d Bart* I M.P. I Sir W. E. Welby, Bart. lliaut Praed, E sq. Sir Robert Wilson, M.P. Man • &c. &c. &c. P„% t gllig Director, J. T. Barber Beaum ont, Es q . F.A.S. ERMANENT CAPITALS amounting to " 50,000 1. have been formed in addition to the fluctuat ctfes'apitals arising from the Premiums; which together con crably exceed a Million Sterling. firers a ims have been paid to Tbirteeu Hundred and Fifty Sid divlr,_ from fi re, without a single Litigation. The Pro fi ts are g i,,"; l amongst those who now insure, as well as the r „ "L • embers in just proportion to their respective Pay -.rots. be en the Fi re -Offi ce, Returns of 20 and 25 per Cen t. have i nvariably paid to all Persons who have continued i . n- Poi c 2even Years, p uon Annual as well as upon Septennial and whether they have been claimants foy losses or tob36 0001 craise, which Returns during the last Eight Years amount ~ in b 9e _ t he Life Office, Bonuses of 131.89. and 261 . 12s. have divided during the last fourteen years ; and other ver y ptel " li "ar Advantages are afforded. ATLAS ASSURANCE COMPANY OF LONDON, Instituted 1808, and empowered by an Act of Parliament of the 54th Genre LIFE DEPARTMENT. PERSONS assured for the whole Term of Life will have an addition made to their Policies every Lately Year, on the principle so beeeficially practised till eIY at the Euitable Assurance Office ; or the amount ereof may be applied in reduction of the future payments ° f Pr • Premium. P olicies may also be effected for the whole term of Life, on 4 4 ,1' 14 n which originated with this Office, whereby the Pre urii is payable for a fixed number of years. FIRE DEPARTMENT. els P t olicies for 3001. and upwards will be entitled, under the t e i T : i of Assurance practised by this Office, to participate e surplus Premiums every fifth year. The amount 2 t hereof in the Fifth Year, which ended at Christmas last, was ‘l)er cent. en the Policies effected in London. th e fully explanatory of the principles i and vate! of Le n d ° l:u Pany may be had at the principal Office n Cheapside, On, and of the several Agents in the Country. eL e , HENRY DESBOROUGH, Jun. Secretary. London, June 24, 1822. u r CARROLL respectfully solicits the atteu th • Cm of his Friends and the Public to the Scheme of 0 4 1 pRAND SMER LOTTERY, which contains a splen ist of Capi UM tals, amongst which are TWo of ‘30,000 TWO of . . 20,000 &c. &c. Consols and Money, and Not Two Blanks to a Prize ! PIIP, CAPITALS are CERTAIN of being Drawn in the - Ih I: TEN 'MINUTES on the First Day, 1 6 th JULY ; and 411 at will have the chalice of obtaining all those, _as triflingat the other Floating Prizes in the Scheme, for the Risk of 38s. A Whole Ticket, 25%. an Half, I 7s. 6d. an Eighth, tit p 13 s. a Quarter, I 45..... a Sixteenth, :f r chas ers may return their 'rickets or Shares on or be -1)02 46111 JULY, whether they are drawn or undrawn, at the c:umall Reduction of Price. I 'IttIOLL begs to remind his Friends of the Success which tlidistinguished his Offices, 19, CORNHILL, and 26 , OX -41 Sold tp * S TRFET, in the Last and Late Lotteries, where he 1 1,486 Three others of 1 ,345 Four 18,602 't 8 ,649 &c. &c. &c. AAMBROSIAL ROSEATE PASTILLES. lONSIEUR LEBRUN (who had the sa eißht tisfartion of introducing into these Realms. about ‘ltljj," Years since , the GENUINE PATE PECTORAL DE t lstd c -E.,) has the onour of offering to the Puhlic . a New 14711 a Lgant species of Pastille, which combines with its pec h so othing properties, those of mellowing and v °ice, by rendering it more agreeable and more flex fr4tr At the same t i me i t i mpar t s t o th e b rea th a permanent 4 ei lto a ce, resembli ng A m b ros i a . This has induced the In- As te r and Pr o p r i e t or t o b es t ow u pon it the appropriate sni.,of. AMBROSIAL ROSEATE PASTILLES. kl ie s ;u ni Boxes, at 2s. 9d. each, by tiutlers, Chemists , No. 4, tyk pride, St. Valli's, and 220. Regent-street, (near the Ar ai, sa c k Ms,) London ; 20, Waterloo.place, Edinburgh and ROadetstre,t, Dublin ; and by the principal medicine s throughout the United kingdom. This Dy published, price ls., SERMON a was on the SACRAMENTS of the LORD'S SUPPER. P r i nt By the Rev.PHOREAT, by ed for James Bi e g, 54, Parham!n . t-street and sold cht`4Vehard and Son, Piccadilly, and Ittrington, ' St. Paul's n•yaed, and vaterloo-place. THE MONTHLY CENSOR; or, General Fill it "iew of D omest i c an d F ore i gn Lit e rature, N o. 11. eont;.'e. Published o n th e I st o f J u ly, p r i c e 2s. Q. It w i ll lowing • uPWards of 40 Articles; and among others the 441, --kg3Y ; Copleston on P re d e stination ( concluded)-- tha er nY's Def ence of the Clergy—Archdeacon J e ff erson ' s ete• 110 Cpy e fr ! - - ; Plan of Savings Bank and Work for Children-- trin's Annual Register for 1797—Roscoe's Illustrations Ilion en t' , de Medici —Vie de la Duchesse d'Orleans—W!id.. hp's Visit to Ethiopia --Voyages des Freres linelley.'lie•. t h e . Salcs; Venturoli's Theory of Mechanics—Memoirs of f vtot ak‘""nuruical Society of London—Phitlip's, History o 14 3: ` " 1 " -- -Madatu e de Geniis Les Jeux Cham petres. ~, O wen—Adam I.3I4c,LLOGy ; Fortunes of Nigel—Pen ••.well -13,-1--",l,Carwin--Sir R. Maltrarers—Nun of Arrouca. fkod Wed for F. C. and J. Rivington, Paul's,,Chureli.yaril, 4° ute ' l(4l- PI P all M. d 0 and W. B. Whittaker, e cm. a e, l d;4n G. g‘l4-1411e, DISTRESSING CASE. The Earl of LAUDERDALE held a Petition which de scribed one of the hardest cases that had ever comc to his know ledge. It was that of a woman of the name of Mary Deacon, who stated that she and her husband were confined for the same debt. She had been married to a former husband, and the debt for which she was confined had been contracted during her widowhood. She had applied to the Commissioners of the Insolvent Debtors' Court, but they could not allow her to take the benefit of the Act, as being now a married woman, she could not execute the deed which that required, by which she should relinquish all future property which she might ac quire for the benefit of her creditors. She should be therefore imprisoned for life, unless some provision should be• made to reach her case in the Bill now before their Lordships for amending the Insolvent Debtors' Act. IleSthe Earl of Lau derdale) trusted that if the case turned out to be as it was re presented, some clause would be inserted in the pending Bill to give her relief.—The Petition was then read, and laid on the table. _ . . Sir J. GRAHAM., the Hon. G. BENNET, and'others, brought up the Alehouse Licences Bill, and several private Bills, from the Commons, which were read a first time. Mr. IRVING, from the Custom-house, presented an Account of the Quantity of Gold Bullion exported during the last half year, and of the Countries to which the exportation had taken place.—Laid on the table. Mr. TURTON then presented an Account of the Rates and Tolls paid in 1821, on the Royal Military Canal.—Laid on the table. MARRAGE ACT AMENDMENT BILL. The Order of the Day having been read, the House resumed the further consideration of the Marriage Act Amendment Bill. After some conversation, a proviso proposed by the LORD CHANCELLOR to be added to the retrospective clause (with an express resery ion on the part of his Lordship, that he should in another stage oppose the retrospective clause alto gether), was agreed to, to the effect that that clause should not operate to render valid any marriage, the validity of which had upon the trial of any issue touching the validity of such mar riage, or the legitimacy or illegitimacy of any person claiming to be the children or descendants of such marriage, being esta blished either directly or incidentally. The clause thus amended was agreed to. The LORD CHANCELLOR next proposed a clause to the effect that the - Bill should .not operate to invalidate any title or claim to property in remainder or reversion, which, previous ' to the passing of the Bill, had been disposed of for a valuable consideration. His Lordship, in support of this clause, put some supposed cases, for the purpose of chewing the hardships that might result to parties, who, in consequence of an invalid marriage being rendered valid by this Bill, might be deprived of reversionary property, for which valuable consideration had been given to a large amount. The Earl of LAUDERDALE opposed the clause, on the ground that it would render the retrospective clause altogether a nullity, so far as regarded property. If their Lordships were to agree to this clause, the Bill, it was true, would legitimate the children of marriages now null and void, but the property of the family would be taken from them, and might be be queathed by their uncle to his own illegitimate children. The Earl of ROSSLYN objected to the clause as an unfair mode of defeating the retrospective clause. • After a few words from the LORD CHANCELLOR the clause was negatived. The LORD CHANCELLOR proposed another clause, the object of which was to render valid all arrangements made in the sale of reversionary property previous to the passing of the After some discussion, in which the Lord Chancellor, the Earl of Harrowby, and the Earl of Liverpool took parts, the House proceeded to a division— Contents, 25—Not-contents, 42—Majority, 17. The LORD CHANCELLOR gave notice that he would take the sense of the House on the third reading of the Bill upon the clause which had just been rejected. ' We understand that, during our exclusion, Lord ELLEN BOROUGH proposed a clause relating to titles, honours, and estates, real and personal. The Lord CHANCELLOR and the Earl of LIVERPOOL objected to the clause. Lord HOLLAND said he should have liked the Bill better without the clause. After a few words from the Marquis of LANSDOWN, Lord ELLENBOROUGH consented to withdraw the clause for the present, which he had introduced with the view of meet ing an objection of the Noble and Learned Lord. The other clauses were then agreed to, and the Bill was or• dered to be read a third time on Tuesday next.—Adjourned at eight o'clock till Monday. HOUSE OF COMMONS, CATHOLIC CLERGY. Mr. JAMES BROWN gave notice, that early in the next Session he would submit to the House a measure, the object of which would be the payment of the Catholic Clergy of Ireland out of the Revenue of the State. _ _ _ Mr. CURWEN presented a petition from certain Manufc. turers of, and Dealers in, Hard Soap, setting forth that the par tial repeal of the Salt Tax would produce much hardship, and praying for its total repeal.—Ordered to be printed. The Thames Lastage and Ballastage Bill war read a second time, and committed. Mr. GRATTAN moved for returns of all Ships that had cleared out of Dublin Harbour in the three years ending Jan: 1, 1822, with a return of the number of Ships that had come into Dublin Harbour in the same time, specifying the Port Du• ties received, &c.—Ordered. The Assessed Taxes Composition Bill, as amended by the Lords,was taken into consideration, agreed to, and ordered back to the Lords. ROASTED CORN. The Roasted Corn Bill was read a third tittle. Sir R. WILSON called the attention of the House to the case of those persons who had been punished for offering roast+ ed corn for sale. They were unconscious of committing any offence when they did that for which they had been severely punished, and their view of the case would seem to have been not very much out of their way from the introduction of the pre sent measure. He therefore hoped their case would be taken into consideration. He then moved a clause to authorise the reimbursing of those who had been fined, to the amount of the fines which had been levied on them. _ .....___ _ Mr. T. WILSON thought it would be a case of great hard ship to enforce penalties against the parties who had been en gaged in selling roasted corn. Mr. H. SUMNER concurred with the view taken by the last speaker on this subject. Mr. W. SMITH thought the offence which had been com mitted was most venial, and supported the clause, Mr. CURWEN was understood to speak in favour of the clause. _ _ _ Mr. LUSHINGTON objected to the clause, because it was wholly unnecessary, as the Treasury had now the power of remitting any fine. It was their wish to take the cases of the sufferers into consideration, - and there was every disposi tion on their part to afford relief, where relief could be pro perly extended. Mr. CALCRAFT said, had this clause been met with any hostile feeling-by the Secretary to the Treasury, he should have given the clause his support. But as there appeared a fair disposition on the part of the Hon. Gentleman, and on that of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, to take into consider ation the cases of the parties on whom fines had been imposed With a view to relieve those who deserved relief, he could wish his Honourable Friend to withdraw the clause. The penalties, though in the whole their amount did not exceed 8001. or 10001., were sufficient to prove the total ruin of some of the parties on whom they had been inflicted. After the feeling which had been manifested on the opposite side of the House, he thought ''is Hon. Fciend would do well to withdraw the clause which he had proposed, on an - understanding . that the cases of those who had been fined would be fully, tairly, and favourably considered, with a view to the reimbursement of those who, it should appear, had not wilfully contravened the law. . . Mr. Altlerman WOOD wished the clause to 'pass. A dis-. cretionary power being left in the hands, of the Treasury, would 35e 31e ted the Da ,t a the ae tie) Da' .115' ble, tie- r'S al ,me it ll4 ado iooo re'' I ► 0 lay ( ' diS 4 aty, red the 0 0 ants ;11e7 , 01 dth, ,tl. Y 1 boY' n ig; ' o rd, Car' arll oc. flos t , ,ter . ;oar hal es U. 1%4 a oi l ' .------ tshir e ' 00 1 ' vti to #.oo' Jam es OOP ; stone' of rear , m o ti l e of litor of i , sli SCOTCH JURY BILL. Mr. KENNEDY moved the Order of the Day for the House resolving itself into a Committee on the Scotch Jury Bill. He stated it was not his intention -to press the Bill through all the remaining stages in the course of the present Session. 'Having obtained from the Secretary of State the concession of an important privilege fcfr o pa - sons ,under accu sation, that of peremptory challenge, he wished the Bill to pass the Committee, and should then be content to let the mea sure stand over till next Session. A short conversation followed, in which Mr. H. Drummond, Lord Althorpe Mr. J. P. Grant, Mr. M. A. Taylor, Sir 0. Clerk, Mr. Hume, the Lord Advocate of Scotland, Mr. W. Smith, and Lord Binning, participated, after which the House resolved itself into the Committee. The clauses were filled up, and the Report was ordered to be received on Monday. On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHE QUER, it was ordered that the House at its rising should ad journ till Monday. __ _ HALF PAY. Mr. HUME seeing the Hon. Baronet, the Paymaster-Ge neral, in his place, wished to put a question to him respecting a circumstance which came within his knowledge and had caused much inconvenience. He wished to know when the military pensions of those on the half-pay list would be paid, and fur ther to ask why they could not be paid at the same time that the civil pensions were, instead of being withheld for a month or six weeks, as had of late been the practice ? He was at a loss to guess why this delay should take place, which, to his knowledge, occasioned severe inconvenience to some of those who were affected by it. Sir C. LONG, in answer to the first question of the Hon. Gentleman, had to reply that the half-pay pensions he expect ed would be paid on the 10th of next month, and in future he believed there would be no difficulty in paying them on the 10th of the month following that in which they became due. When the Hon. Gentleman spoke of its being customary to delay the payment for a month or six weeks, he begged to say that such was not the practice. It had indeed occurred in one instance. From the difficulty of bringing up the accounts, the payments last quarter were deferred till the 25th April, but this was not usual. When the Hon. Gentleman said Why could they not be paid when the civil pensions were, he had to remark, that this was imposSible. The number of Military Officers on half-pay was 10,000, and this stated, it would be' seen, that that which the Hon. Gentleman contemplated could not take place. The half-pay pensions he had no doubt would be paid on the 10th of next month, and neither the Hon. Gen tleman nor any other persons need doubt the interest he took in their being . promptly paid, since;when he came to Isis office, they were paid halt yearly,_ and it was at his recommendation that the present arrangements had been made for paying them quarterly. Mr. E. WODEHOUSE presented a Petition from a person of the name of Preston, a manufacturer of Rock Salt at Yar mouth, praying relief.--. Ordered to lie on the table. THE BOWDICHES. _ _ • Mr. HOBHOUSE presented a Petition from certain Inha bitants of Taunton, calling the attention of the house to the unfortunate case of the Bowdiches. Ile briefly touched on some of the circumstances of the case, and remarked, a me lancholy error seemed to have run through the whole of it, in consequence of which those unfortunate persons had been sub jected to much unmerited punishment.. He lamented the hard ship of the case, but at the same time was at a loss to see in what way that House could interfere.—The petition was ordered to lie on the table. INVERNESS. Sir R. FERGUSSON presented' a Petition from the Cox , poration of Hammermen in the Royal Burgh of Inverness, against the Bill for regulating the Scotch Burghs. A conversation arose on the merits of the Bill, in which the Lord Advocate, Mr. Hume, Mr. J. P. Grant, the Marquis of Londonderry, Lord A. llamilton, and Sir George Clerk, took part, after which the petition was ordered to lie on the table. Mr. MAXWELL presented a Petition from the Clerks of the Peace in Ireland against the Grand Jury Presentment Bill—Ordered to lie on the table. PETITION FROM MR. BORTIIWICK. Mr. ABERCROMBY presented a Petition from Win. 313 Borthwick, with whose name the House were already in some degree acquainted, from the statement which be (Mr. Aber eromby) had made on a former night. This Petition set forth the persecutions to which he had been subjected, the inaimer in which he had been imprisoned and loaded with irons, tire,a charge of stealing property which was proved to be his own ; but he was not aware that the Petition contained any fact which he (Mr. Abeicromby) had not stated on Tues,:ay, with the exception of his repositories having been broken open, and his papers examined, whilst he was in custody. For the wrongs he had sustained he had received no compensation. He had received part of his expences in one instance, but he had had no compensation for the injuries of which he corn. plained. He wished the House to remember by whom these wrongs had been offered. He had received them from the pub lic, as he had received them from those who acted in the name of the King and on behalf of the public, and therefore he could apply'no where but to that House for redress. He did not bring this Petition forward under very favourable circurn stanceS, that House haVing already decided that they would not inquire into the merits of the case. Perhaps he should be told that Mr. Borthwick would have his remedy by pro. ceeding against the informer of the Lord Advocate. But what 'remedy had he, wanting the means to bring tin action ? And who was theinforrou of the Learned Lord ? Why, Mr. Borthwick's bankrupt partner Alexander;_ who was nos in prison. 'The should then be told that Mr. Borthytick had one action good against the Lord Advocate, he should call this adding mockery to injustice. If Mr. Borthwick had the right to bring such action, which he (Mr. Aberdomby) denied, how was a man in his circumstances to oppose himself to the whole power of the: Crown Lawyers in Scotland ? He had said this much with respect to the individual, but he now called on the House, if they considered themselves the Representatives of a free people, to look at the case as one in which the most sacred rights of the subject had been violated, as an individual had been deprived of the greatest of all blessings, personal liberty. Considering that a great wrong had been done to the subjects of this country in the person of Mr. Borthwick, he (Mr. Abercromby) would not desert his cause, till he had again failed to induce them to go into an inquiry, or till having esta blished the facts (which he felt assured he could do to the sa tisfaction of the rest of the world, and hoped, therefore, he could do to the satisfaction of that House), they should say, " we are prepared to declare he is not intitled to redress." If he proved the facts and obtained no redress, it would be for the friends of the law and constitution to consider what was the condition of Scotland, if a man might be :seized, as Mr. Borthwick had been, ironed, carried from place to place, guarded with loaded fire-arms, confined for seventy days, and at last liberated with out being brought to trial. 31r. Northwick he (Mr. Aber cromby) had never seen. Of his former life he knew nothing, but this he knew, that in the communications which he had with that individual, he (Mr. Borthwick) appeared most care ful that no statement should pass that at all deviated from truth, and he (Mr. A.) was not more anxious to avoid mis leading that House than Mr. Borthwick had been to avoid mis leading him. The MarquiS of LONDONDERRY did not at all object to the biinging up of the Petition. He rose but to say he did not conceive the House to have come to any decision whatever on the case of Mr. Borthwick. On a former night he had argued, that respectingg that individual there was-nothing be fore that House, and th . at his case ought not to influence the vote they were then called upon to give. He felt that it was quite open for hitt to look at that question. If the Ho nourable and Learned Gentleman called for information, he did not say it might not be necessary to take some steps-on that information. He nteiely stated this, that it might not be considered' the Petition was presented tinder any discouraging circumstances.—:Mr. ABERCROMBY explained. The LORD ADVOCATE of SCOTLAND had no'objee tion to the Petition being brought up. He had made little inquiry on the subject. When he was in Scotland he had not expected that a motion, notice of which had been given on the 4th April, would inclaide matters which had not oscurred till after that period. The warrant under which Mr. Borthwick had been arrested, directed, as all warrants did, that he should be com mitted to a secure prisons In consequence he was committed to the jail of Dundee, and had been thence removed at his own request, expressed in writing. When it should be seen On what grounds his Learned Friend and Deputy in Scotland had acted, he was confident that they woitld be satisfactory to the House. All he now asked was, that they would suspend their judgment till the case should be fairly before them. Lord BINNING said, a very near and dear relation of his was concerned in the late proceedings. So far as that indi vidual was concerned, he had no wish that the inquiry should he stifled, but quite the contrary. He for one should give a willing vote for the papers which were to be moved for, and since their production was not to be opposed, he implored the House to keep themselves open to form an unbiassed judg ment on the merits of the case. Aggravations enough were already abroad. Till the Papers were before them, to enable them to come to a fair disposition, he hoped the ouse would suspend its judgment, and this was all he asked. Mr. BROUGHAM would repeat the call just made by the Noble Lord—he would repeat it on the part of that side of the House. Since now an inquiry was to take place (which he had always foresaw would be the case), let every Member who would have to pronounce judgment on the conduct of the Crown Lawyers of Scotland, keep his mind free from all bias and par tiality. They (the Crown Lawyers of Scotland) were now on their trial, and they had the right in common with all other persons to have their trial conducted impartially before fair and unbiassed judges. But while he admitted this, he marvelled that the doctrine which had been contended for eight and forty hours before on that side of the House—he marvelled that the soundness Of that doctrine had not then struck those who were now its advocates. All they (the Opposition) then demanded was inquiry. They had said, be not premature. Do not con demn. God forbid ! without inquiry; but do not acquit with out inquiry: He had called on them but to entertain in quiry, that witnesses might be called to prcrre facts. But it had pleased that House in its wisdom or in its justice, or under the impression of the Noble Lord's eloquence, to say, " No, we will do nothing." They declined examining wit nesses who might prove the facts, or calling for documents which might back up the testimony of such witnesses, and declared " because matters are made out of the grossest nas ture that ever came before the House touching the liberty of the subject,, and the administration of justice, we, the House of Commons, will sanction no inquiry." Ile was delighted that they had found themselves mistaken on the other side. He was also delighted that the House found itself mistaken in the decision to which it had come, and that inquiry was now admitted to be necessary. He must once more protest against one view which the Noble Lord had taken ; in every other respect he entirely coincided with hiM. He had said that lie thought a Member had no ground for demanding an inquiry unless he produced documents in proof of his case, or moved that certain documents should be laid upon the table. This was not the constitutional practice. A statement of any Mem ber was sufficient to demand inquiry. Common fame was a fair ground for impeachment ; rumour had been a ground Of impeachment ; therefore it was absurd to say, that a statement from an Hon. Member, founded upon information obtained from private sources, would not warrant the House in going at once to an inquiry. The Noble Earl said, that documents alone could be evidence, and. that parole evidence could not be ob-. tamed. Now the effect of documentary evidence would be only to shew half the case, the other halt being to be supplied by parole, and to puzzle a Counsel, without ebeiting the truthsss. Such a way of proceeding in the present case would only be an insult to the country and to that House. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said, that although the* House could grant an inquiry even upon the grounds of coms it could alsoexeis rumour, ; as e w its discretion sttahetegrmaennistisnogf in° ber l , Mr. WYNN thought the Hon. and Learned Gentleman had exercise as upon the i n of it. stated the case too broadly, when he said that rumour was suf ficient ground for, proceeding to inquiry. If parole-evidence wee.; to be received in any case, then it must be before a Committee. as that was the only place where it could be re- ceived. When the documents about to be moved for were be= fore the House. it would then be for them to consider whether ulterior proceedings would be necessary. Mr. J. P. GRANT expressed his satisfaction at the deci sion of Ministers, and stated, that he never gate a vote with so much personal pain, as that upon the former discussion of this 9uestion. He took an opportunity of stating this, and of bearing testimony to the feeling and rectitude with which the Lord Advocate had exercised the duties of his office upon all other occasions. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY felt it necessary that both sides should understand each other as to what they were doing, and he must say, that he made no change whatever in his opinions upon the question. He thought upon the former occasion that there was not sufficient ground in the Hon. and Learned Member's statement, for the House to proceed to an inquiry upon ; and he now wished that all the evidence not then supplied should conic before them, in ordet that they should possess the means of deciding upon the chars ' es.s.s He did not wish to be understood as pledging himself tci any, particular course of proceedin upon that information when it came before them. He should not consider himself as pledged to any thing by supporting the production of the papers. (fiord A. HAMILTON said, that what had fallen from the Noble and Learned Lord upon the subject of his action, was the thoet gross in substance of any thing he had ever heard.-s When the Noble and Learned Lord stated that he had only ob tained a shilling damages, and raised a cheer among those who surrounded him, he took care to suppress the main point that the Jury found a verdict for him upon all the counts. His miss fortune was, that lie went into Court with clean hands ; for the Judge stated that it was, the goodness, not the badness, of his character that ought to lessen the damages.—(Hear Noble Lord had done this once to serve a purpose which was no* past ; and he hoped that for the sake of his own character he would not repeat what was a gross mists presentation in efs feet, although he would not say it was a wilful one. The Petition being read, Mr. ABERCROMBY said, that in moving that the Peti tion do lie upon the table, he wished to say a few words in order that the House might understand his object. As far as regarded the case of Borthwick, as it chiefly related to judicial proceedings, documents alone would not be sufficient, and without parole evidence the ease could not be established. There were two material points involved in the question ; the one was the treatnient which Borthwick had received as an in dividual, and the next was. the sittiatlon in which the Learned Lord stood in respect to his deputies. It was necessary to have parole evidence in Gram to spew his connection with their acts. The only documents to be produced upon that point, must be she letters Which had passed between the parties. But these might be of a private nature, and he did not mean to speak disrespectfully, but only in a constitutional sense, when he said that they should have no proof of the authenticity , of such letters. • He wished to say one word as to what had been said of the manner in which he had brought this mat ter forward. It was objected that he ought not to have in troduced the case of Borthwick in his motion. But, although he was willing to release the Noble and Learned Lord from the responsibility of acts committed in his absence, yet his deputies were bound in duty, to communicate to him what ' ever took place, and it was equally his duty to require that they did so. With regard to the general tone in which he had treated the subject, if he had charges to prefer he knew of• no proper way of doing so but that of stating them clearly and directly. Of Mr. Hope he knew nothing, for he believed he had never seen that Gentleman in his life. But: the deep respect and veneration . which lie must feel for the head of his family precluded all possibility of any preju diced motives. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY again stated the neces sity of the House having a clear understanding upon the sub ject. When the documents should be before the House they would probably contain some further information than had been given by the Hon. and Learned. Member, and some other Mem bers would then perhaps be enabled to say something on the other side of the question. It would then be for them to decide whether any further inquiry would be necessary or not. He thought there was a case at present upon which more informa tion was desirable. But they were pledged to no further in quiry by admitting that information. After a few words from Lord IliwsrtTo and the Loan AD vocATE,- the petition was ordered to lie upon the table. ' CALAMITY AT CONSTANTINOPLE. Mr. W. SMIT1:1 wished to put a question to the Noble Marquis opposite, on a subject which was of the greatest inte rest, not only to the British nation, but also to the whole Euro pean community. There had that day appeared in the public prints accounts of certain transactions at•ConStantinople, which could not fail to excite the strongest sensations of horror in the mind of every man who read them.—(Hear, hear.)—.He knew some individuals that took a deeper interest than could possibly be entertained by any British heart.-4lfear, hear )—:Hethere fore wished to ask the Noble Matt:pus, -whether he had received any official accounts frOm our Minister at Constantinople, or our diplomatic agents elsewhere, which enabled him to judge of the correctness of the accounts in question ? The Marquii of LONDONDERRY gave an answer, of Which the first part was (juke inaudible in the gallerY. •We afterwards understood him to sir, that Government was in possession of the fact, that 10 or 12 of the hostages for the pen , ple of Scio had been executed at Constantinople, but not ofany details regarding it. A calamity. had oecurre4.-and he could not describe the transaction alluded to by any other name—a calamity had occurred which had arisen out of the peculiar acts of barbarity which had been perpetrated on both sides during the wat in the island of Scio.. Acts of barbarity, he repeated it, had been committed on both sides.—(Hear.)—The Greeks had themselves committed certain cruelties, which, though they did not justify, led to, the transactions complained Of.--4 Heat.) Itir..W. SMITH said, that he was rather inclined to think that, instead of 12 or 15, 85 persons had suffered death by the' hands of the executioner. He had asked the question in order to obtain some precise information upon it. Though the public would scarcely believe the fact, he had been told by a person who was in the town at the time of the execution, though he could not bring himself to witness it, that six persons had been impaled alive, who had committed no other crime than that of becoming hostages for their fellow-countrymen at Scio--: (Hear.) Sir J. MACItINTOSI - 1 would put a question to the Noble Lord, which would bring the matter home at once to the ho, nour and the feeling of the British nation. He asked hith, whether any dispatches had been received from OUT Ainbassa dor at the Ottoman Porte, from which it could be.ascertained whether any of those pefsons who had been murdered by the barbarous tyrants at Constantinople had been under the pro tection of the British Minister, Lord Strangford, or hid sur rendered themselves to the Turks under any pledge, promise, or assurance of safety from that Nobleman ?—(lieat!)—He would also take the opportunity of asking the Noble Marquis, whether it was mentioned in any of the recent dispatches he had received, that the markets of Smyrna and Constantinople were filled with amiable Greek ladies and children, offered to the caprices of barbarous Mahornedan voluptuaries ? Ile asked whether Ministers could afford the nation any account of the new slave trade, recently established in the east, for amiable and accomplished Christian females, by a government which was encouraged and supported by the Administration of this free and enlightened country P--(Hear I) The Marquis of LONDONDERRY in reply stated, that the question of the lion. and Learned Gentleman involved an argimient as well as a question, and that if he wanted an an swer to his argument, he mtist bring . it forward upon another occasion. He believed that 80 or 00 individuals had recently been executed at Constantinople, but several of them were' in habitants of the Morea, and, as lie was informed, not more than 10 or 12 of them hostages ftom Scio: Those persons could not he considered in qtly degree under the protection of the British Government, or in such a situation as to require our interfer ende upon the principle of protection. Upon the principle of good offices, Lord Strangford, much to his own honour and that of the Government he represented—(Hear !)—had fre quently interposed: That interposition had in geniral been fa.: vourably received ; and there had once been reason to hope that the hostages from Scio were in perfect security. How far the determination of the Turkish Government upon that point had been altered by subsequent information, he could not tell ; for, as to the hostages from Scio, he had not at present suffi-: cient information: ALIEN BILL. Sir J. MACKINTOSH presented a Petition, most respect- ably and numerously signed, from the Inhabitants of Leicester, against the Alien Bill. It had been asserted in that House; that a great portion of the people was favourable td the Alien Bill, and that the remainder was indifferent. lie denied that state-; ment. The Petitioners prayed also for Reform of Parliament and had stated that if the Rouse of Commons represented 'the wisher of the people, his Majesty's Ministers Wohld not present the Alien Bill to it for its sanction. The Petitioners therefore agreed with hint in maintair.iiT that the people of England was advtise from the Alien Bill. lie cou'd ha e wished that the question of Reform had not been mixed -.fith that subject, but it shelved the feelirigs of the people of Leicester on . both those subjects. The Petition Was read and ordered to he i tcd: MALT AND EXCISE DUTIES, Mr. WOIic:IiSUSE gave notice that on Monday next he should call the attention of the House to the enactimnts of an Act passed on the 15th of last month, which related to the Ex cise, and which were calculated to add to the burthens of the Peopleoand in partictihir as related to the Malt Duties. MR. SAURIN'S LETTER TO LORD NORBURY. M. BROUGHAM wished to 011 the attention of the Noble Marquis, or of the Right lion. Secretary of State, to an articles which had appeared in a Morning Paper,—an article of such a nature that any one who had a regard for the purity of the ju_ dicial character, and of the administration of justice, must view' with the utmost alarm. It prcifessed to be a copy Of a letter from the Right Hon. Wm. eatirin, who lately filled the situaz tion of Attdrney , General for Ireland, addressed to no les& a personage than the Lord Chief Justice Of the Common Pleas, bofd Norbury. Its purpose Was to enclose extracts of another letter frorh a Peer, commenting upon a late Act of that House. in language that 'he would not describe, and recommending Lord Norbury to interfere In pOlitical 'disputes and intrigue& Ile hoped he should not be misunderstood in giving this op portunity fo.r explanation on so grave a Matter and he should be happy if any personal friends of Mt. Saurin were present Who could deny the authenticity of the paper. If it were not denied, and if it could not be denied, then there mtist be 4nOther document in existence of a most important character. If any man had dared to write a hundredth part of that letter, it would be a most portentous Matter, and one that must lead to results the most serious. The answer to a man who had the make to ake such an, attack upon the judicial thane. ter ought to have been such a one as at least would teach him not to hazard a repetition of his conduct. If this had been confined to a private circle he should not haye felt it imperative upon him to mention it, But finding it made public in the papers of the day, he thought it his duty to bring the subject forward in order that it should be denied of noticed within a reasonable time. Mr. Secretary PEEL said, that whethu' it was his duty or not to reply , to the Hon. and Learned Member's observations, his personal friendship for Mr. Saurin would not allow him to heat his name connected with such a circumstance as this with) out immediately rising to defend him. He was of course wholly unprepared either to admit or deny the authenticity of this letter. Until yesterday he had never heard of its existence. He could easily believe that the Hon. and Learned Gentleman felt it .a painful task to mention the subject, when the Yen terms Of the letter deelared it to be of a priVate nature. Of . those, whoever they might be, through whose Meansit had ac quired publicity, it was unnecessary for him to • say a word. If it was found in the streets, it was the first and most obvious duty of any man to send it immediately to the party for whom it was directed: Whether it was authentic or not, he would rather have Written the letter, if it had been ten thousand times worse than it was, than have given it publicity under such cit. cumstances.—(Hear 1) Mr. BROUGHAM was like the Right Hon. Gentleman,in asmuch athe never heard of the paper till yesterday.' 'As to the means by which it obtained publicity he Was utterly and en tirely ignorant. He agreed also in reprobating itS publication as much as the Right lion. Gentleman. lie conceived that nothing justified the use of private papers but the process of the law. He would almost go the length of the Right Hon. Gentleman—he hardly knew' whether he would not rather have written the letter than have published it, and parccul trli if foul means had been used to procure it, as was most probtible from.the story told of picking it up in the street. He felt, how ever, that they had no choice in taking notice of it after it had obtained , publicity. The duty was cast upon them, and they Must follow it up, as though the letter had come before them by any other means. Mr. Secretary PEEL thought the r tmost danger would arise if it were to be decided that persons should , possess themselves, of private documents, and found public proceedings upon them. If the possibility of affairs, deriving publicity, by such means, should be countenanced, he intreated the House to look at the consequences that must ensue. Alr..G. BEN.NET wished to ask the Right Mtn.' Gentle., man whether, now, that it was mentioned, he should feel it ri's duty to inquire into the truth or falsehood of . the letter ? Mr. Secretary PEEL said, that the llonOurable Member must not attribute it to any want of disrelpect in him if he