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guest of a gentleman who was certainly .co mfortably off in the world, but who certainly . could en joyments if he lived in Englan not indulge in such d, a nd he (A d l ro ae v a e h. rt T fo h r er ti e week in a different carriage every . was another gentleman belonging (i i: y the south of Ireland, who was staying in the house a t ol th e e ar s . are H t e im d e id w h h e o t h s a ay d no fewer than eight ca rria ge s. that people ought to ta k e e s e they should pay no P fo s r iX the r m, ei b g u li t t h c e ar L i c a l g sa es y , t e h r a t t ha i t t was a proof that the p r esent mode of taxation had led to bad results in England. x Everybody knew that carriages were cheaper in Ireland than in England. Nothing could be more clear, therefore, than that the , attention of the Chancellor of the Exchequer should be directed to this s ubject. He differed, however, from the hon. member who had brought forward this motion, and from the coach makers themselves, on one point. They proposed to re duce the duty to 31. upon every two-horse four-wheeled carriage. Now, he would recommend the Chancellor of the Exchequer to have nothing to do with horses, which were taxed by themselves, because that would ne would interfere with the simplicity of the new arrangement. suggest that a tax should be laid on every wheel, whatever its size, though he did not mean to come down so low as a wheelbarrow. (A laugh.) With the exception of carriages used for trading purposes, he thought that a tax upon each wheel would be perfectly fair. He trusted, therefore, that the Chancellor of the Exchequer would take this mat ter into his consideration , a could be revised withou t any loss he must know that the tax loss to the revenue, while the revision would not on l y at convenience to' families, be a but would give a great stimulus to the coachmaking trade. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER had heard with great satisfaction the concluding observations of the hon. member who had just sat down, though they only confirmed the belief which had previously been formed in his own mind, that the intention of the honourable and gallant general who had brought forward the motion was only to promote discussion on the subject, and not to call for a decision of the house upon it. He must remark, however, that one material omission had been made in the debate. No one could doubt that one cause of the decline of this important branch of trade, and the consequent loss of re venue, was the general extension of railway traffic. At the same time he was far from thinking that this had been the sole cause. He quite agreed, without intending by saying so to commit the Government to any course what ever, that the case of this trade was a very hard one. He admitted that the rate of duties was very high, that the regulations relating to them were exceedingly complicated, and that the provision for augmenting the charge as the number of carriages increased had been found to be so burdensome that, as he imag,ined, the principle of compo sition was adopted for the purpose of neutralising it. Still more serious an evil was the multitude and extensive range of the exemptions. The hon. and gallant general admitted that the exemptions lay at the root of the matter. If, therefore, the house should be prepared to deal with this duty on carriages, they must either make a sacrifice, which would be considerable with reference to the object in view, namely 200,0004, or else they must pluck up courage, and strike at the root of these e xemptions. (Hear, hear, hear.) Of course, if the house interfered at e a f l e bt t w he o y uld b must in e the r form of lowering the duty , an d, therefore, 7 300,0001. of the public money, or get xigitvieorupth2eoo,eoooxem o pctrioe hns.im for notHehep thegeeding further into the subject hon. and gallant • general i a w t present. eu l aexus The financial statement which hp was a b o ut to make did not loom in was very the distance, but - nea r future. On Monday next he hoped that It would cease to loom at all, and that it would become—be it good, bad, or indifferent—a matter of fact, which he hoped to make clear and intelligible to the house and to the coun try. In stating upon that occasion the course which the Government meant to pursue, he should either be able to hold out some proposition in the nature of relief to this depressed branch of industry, or else he should announce conclusive reasons why the Government would not be at present in a condition to grant it. He had given the re presentations of the coachbuilders his respectful attention, and he repeated that in his opinion their case was one of considerable hardship, but he felt sure the hon. and gallant general would not ask the house for a decision upon the question at the present moment. Mr. FRENCH gave a general denial to the accuracy of the' hone member fOr Manchester's statements with respect to carriages in Ireland, with respect to which he was so badly informed as he was ou other points relating to that country. Sir DE L. EVANS consented to withdraw his motion, which was withdrawn accordingly. PUBLIC ACCOUNTS. Mr. W. WILLIAMS moved, pursuant to notice, the fol lowing resolutions :—" That it appears, by a return ordered by this house in the present session, that an enormous amount of the public money is annually intercepted on its way from the people's pocket to the Treasury, and expended without the sanction and control of this house, and in viola tion of the constitutional principle, that no taxes shall be imposed upon the people, or the proclivt thereof expended, without the authority of their representatives in Parlia ment. That the said return shows the amount intercepted and expended in the year 1851, which never reached the Exchequer, was 6,072,1511, 9s. 9d., of which amount 5,622,2671. was deducted from the gross receipts of the taxes by the various revenue departments, and expended by the said departments for the payment of their officers, and other purposes, without the supervision and control of Parliament. That, for the security of the public moneys, and accurate keeping of the public accounts, it is indispensable th a t th e w h o l e of the public income should, without any deduction whatever, be paid into her Majesty's Exchequer, and that no portion of it should be issued therefrom, on any plea or pretence, without the sanction of Parliament, as it was recommended by the commission, which consisted of members of this house, appointed by the Crown in the year 1831." His object in bringing for ward the motion was to prevent any portion of the public money being expended without the control of the repre sentatives of the people. It was the peculiar duty of the house to control the public expenditure ; but that duty bad been neglected by permitting a large amount of money to be intercepted on its way from the people's pockets to the Exchequer. From a return which had been presented, it appeared that upwards of 6,000m01. of the public taxes had been so intercepted. No less than 3,936,000/. had been impounded by the officers of the revenue departments, namely, the Customs, the Excise, the Post-office, the Stamps, and the managers of the Crown estates. A very largo sum had also been detained for the purpose of repay ments and drawbacks, and no less than 560,0./01. had been intercepted for other payments in one year. These "other payments" were of a most miscellaneous description. They comprised, among other things, payments towards the judi cial establishments in Scotland, pensions granted in the time of Charles the Second and William the Third, bounties for the encouragement of British fisheries, and salaries to process-servers. He contended that whatever came out of the public purse ought to be paid into the Treasury, and that votes should be taken by estimate for these general revenue departments, in the same manner as votes were taken for the army and navy, and for the public offices. In 1806 the cost of collecting 8,000,0001. of taxes was 2,797,0001., or but 4:4 per cent. ; whilst the cost of collect ing the revenue in 1851 had risen to 7 per cent. But the cost of every article that entered into the consumption of the persons employed in the collection of the revenue was not in 1851 one-third what it was in 1806. Why, then, this enormous increase in the cost of collecting ? It could not be accounted for in any way except on the supposition that the revenue was now collected without any control whatever. Certainly, there was none by the House of Commons. Sir Robert Peel, in 1811, had appointed a com mission on this subject. That commission went to Liver pool and made a most excellent report, in which it pointed out the gross mismanagement which existed in the whole system of collecting the revenue. Thu discoveries made then showed that the whole system was rotten, corrupt, and extravagant, and be (Mr. Williams) had afterwards frequently asked Lord Granville Somerset what change had been made in consequence of those inquiries. In reply, he was at length informed by Sir Robert Peel, and in a jocular manner, that the report was banished and abolished alto gether. From the third report of the committee of finance, it appeared that evil consequences had arisen from the dis position of the authorities to favour the retirement of efficient clerks, and that the commissioners had been in foemed that not a few of the persons superannuated as unfit for the public service had enjoyed their health long after, and had been enabled to employ themselves in other Cublic offices, as a l so i n more private occupations. Let eara read the report of the commission of 1831, appointed by the late King the com m i ss i oners of which onsisted of the most influential members of the house and of the Go vernment. It said that the Exchequer was the great con servator of the revenues of the nation ; that it was armed with the power of denying its sanction to any demand upon' it, as well as with the right of making its demands. The commissioners felt it to be of paramount importance for the security of the public money, that no portion of it should be arrested on any plea or pretence whatever, in its way to the Exchequer. (Hear, hear.) He wanted to know why so much as was expended on the public works was so without the control and authority of the House of Com mons, and whether this did not give a sufficient ground for the change of system. The late Chancellor of the Ex chequer had stated in his speech on the budget that her Majesty's Government would make it one department of their duty to have all paid into the Exchequer, as from a lecture which the right honourable gentleman had given to the house last Friday, he believed it was the right hon. gentleman's, as it was his, opinion that the House of Com mons, after imposing taxes on the people, should see that no portion of those taxes should be expended without the entrol and authority of that house. (Hear, hear.) After tilting that such were the expressions of the right hon. gentlemen, he should not longer detain the house. Captain SCOBELL referred to the expressions of the late Chancellor of the Exchequer, in which he also had seen an intimation that it was the disposition of the late Government that the large sum spoken of by the last speaker should come under the supervision of the House of Commons. For those expressions he was at the time, and still continued to be, thankful to the late Chancellor of the Exchequer. He thought that in public affairs they should use at least the same prudence that they did in private, an d that the precautions they might take with their stewards in ordinary life, they should take with their officers in the business of th o St a t e. Th e Mi n i s t ers o f th e dfiarsyt, wtehoeexypeaerrtshey might be, sh ou ld, i n hi s op i n i on , b e th e their willingness to throw open the public accounts, and he thanked the l a t e Ch ance ll or o f t h e Ex chequer f or pay i ng the way for this great revolution in finance. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER sa id th e task he had t o discharge ont very simple on e , both with r e e h al s er esent occa sion was a Government. For himself', he to himself a n d t o the pressed to the house hi s opinion Zl ( .,ia ln a a l n l y th y e ea c r h s ar a g g e o s efor the collection of the revenue ought to be b roug h t under the control of the ho use . (Hear, hear.) As regarded the Government, he had to state that they in considering how th e y could bestcar w ry ere into newpernageatgiceal effect this great change ; b ecause, as the house was well aware, an abstract opinion w as o f very littleon in itself, he and his colleagues w ere now engaged consequen ce in ing how practical effect could best b e g i ven to that opi i "n x i a o n n and they would not desist from their endeavours till they had organised measures for bringing the whole of these charges under the control of Parliament. (Loud cheers.) He had, at the same time, to state to the hon. gentleman, what he was, p ro b a bly, a lre a dy we ll aware of, that this must be a work of time, and that a good deal remained to be done before a sound, good, clear, and simple system on a subject of such magnitude could be established. The hon. gentleman knew well, that in the first place, there was a large class of charges which he had inserted in his resolution, which were included in the gross sums of the revenue, that it would be impossible to bring under the control of Parliament, because they did not properly be long to those sources of revenue which constituted the public income. All drawbacks, for instance, all sums re ceived in error, and which were, therefore, liable to be Wa, • repaid, could not be said to constitute a part of the public lucerne. The hon. gentleman would not wish to have these sums brought into the pub'ic accounts of income for the mere purpose of seeing their repayments charged as expenditure. Then there was a class of charges imposed upon the public revenue by acts of Parliament, such as h e leditarY pensions, several of which were charged upon THE SUN, LONDON, WEDNESDAY EVENING, APRIL 13, 1 85a would remind honourable members that there never had been a time, in spite of the great diminution of the popu lation, and of the high rate of wages, when recruiting went on better in Ireland than at present, and therefore there were no grounds for saying that doing away with Kilmainham was likely to prove injurious to the recruiting service. He hoped the house would consider the facts which he had stated. He had not thought it right to dis turb an arrangement which had been adopted by one Government and confirmed by another. His own opinion was, that they must look in this case to a natural feeling certainly on the one side, but likewise on the other side to the real advantage to the service of these institutions, and to the changes operated in the state of the lower classes in this country during the last year. (Hear, hear). The question was one which Parliament must decide; but he (Mr. Herbert) was unwilling, unless Parliament should decide - against him, to disturb an arrangement which had been adopted by one Government, and which had been confirmed by another. (Hear, hear). Mr. WHITESIDE said, if Kilmainham Hospital was to be destroyed upon such flimsy evidence of necessity, there was an end to any valid security for the institutions of England. The late Government had no alternative but to adopt the estimates of their predecessors, and were not, therefore, responsible for the attempt to abolish the insti tution. _ Lord SEYMOUR thought the change a beneficial one, as well for the soldiers as for the taxpayers. Mr. ELLICE said the funds of Kilmainham Hospital had been misappropriated by sinecurists and jobbers of all kinds. _ _ Colonel LINDSEY supported the motion. The house then divided, when the numbers were— For the motion Against - it l3l Majority for the motion NEW WRIT FOR HUDDERSFIELD. On the motion of Mr. HAYTER, a new writ was issued for the election of a member for the borough of Hudders field, in the room of Mr. W. R. Crompton Stansfield, un seated on petition. DECIMAL COINAGE. Mr. W. BROWN moved for a select committee to take into consideration and report to the house the practica bility and advantages or otherwise that would arise from adopting a decimal system of coinage :—Mr. W. Brown, Mr. Cardwell, Mr. J. Ball, Mr. Tufnell, Mr. Alderman Thompson, Mr. Dunlop, Mr. M. Forster, Lord Stanley, Mr. Moody", Mr. Hamilton, Mr. J. B. Smith, Sir W. Clay, the Marquis of Chardos, Sir W. Jolliffe, and Mr. Kin naird.—Agreed to. THE BOROUGH OF MALDON. On the motion of Lord R. GROSVENOR, it was or dered that no new writ be issued for the borough of Mal don before the Ist of May next. REGULATION OF PUBLIC-HOUSES. Mr. W. BROWN moved for a select committee to examine into the system under which public-houses, hotels, beer-shops, dancing saloons, coffee-houses, theatres, tem perance hotels, and places of public entertainment, by whatever name they may be called, are sanctioned, and are now regulated, with a view of reporting to this house whether any alteration or amendment o f the law can be made for the better preservation of public morals, the pro tection of the revenue, and for the proper accommodation •f the public, with power to send for persons, papers, and records, so far as they may deem it necessary.—Agreed to. COMBINATION OF WORKMEN BILL. This bill passed through committee. _ BURGHS (SCOTLAND) BILL. Mr. E. ELLICE, jun., moved the addition of the fol lowing clause to this bill :—" And be it enacted, that the provisions of the first before recited act, as applicable to burghs not included in schedule C annexed to said act, and also the provisions of an act passed in the fifteenth and sixteenth years of the reign of her present Majesty, intituled An act to alter and amend certain provisions in the laws relating- to the number and election of magis trates and councillors in the burghs of Scotland,' shall be and are hereby extended to the burghs contained in sche dule F of the first recited act, and so much of the said first recited act as excepts the said burghs from the said provi sions is hereby repealed ; provided always that no burgh shall be held to come Within the provisions of this act where, at the time of the passing of this act, the number of electors registered in tie regisicr of such burgh as qualified to voi• in the election of a member of Parliament is less than thirty." He said the object of the amendment was to place under the provisions of the Borough Reform Act (Scotland) certain boroughs which were exempted at the time of the passing of that statute. After some discussion, in which Mr. Ewart, Mr. Dunlop, and the Lord Advocate took part, the various clauses of the bill as amended were agreed to. ------- - AGGRAVATED ASSAULTS BILL. The house then went into committee on this bill, and the various clauses were agreed to with certain verbal amend ments. The house adjourned at five minutes past 12 o'clock. KILMAINHAM HOSPITAL. (From the Times.) There was last night a little Government defeat. Whether by the neglect of the whipper-in, or by the apathy of Ilinisterialists, or simply by a well-kept con spiracy of Irishmen and Derbyites, Ministers have been beaten, and th a t ra th er considerably, on a very small subject. Mr. Butt carried, last night, by a division of 198 against 131, a motion for an address to the Crown in favour of retaining Kilmainham Hospital, which has stood condemned for some years. Its condemnation was simply a matter of economy. It is the Chelsea of Ireland, on very much the same footing. The sys tem of out-door pensioners has latterly been substituted No much for that of in-door pensioners,— very wisely, as we are disposed to think,—and Chelsea has become so thoroughly adequate to the reception of disabled soldiers, that it was found Kilmainham could be dispensed with, and the expense of the establishment saved. how ever, Irish pride has been touched ; here and there 1:u Irish pensioner has been found who would rather die on Irish soil than in the county of Middlesex ; the Conservative chief saw the opening, and behold the result—a majority of three to two against the measure, or rather for its reversal, for it is two years old. It is unnecessary to go into the merits of the question, which probably weighed very little with the/bulk of those who voted. We can easily conceive a member thinking the measure unnecessary, or, at least, hardly worth the annoyance. On the other, we have been doing nothing but simplifying our establishments and institutions for several years, and if two military asylums really were not wanted, it seemed a matter of course to dispense with the smaller one. But, we re peat, the merits of the question are about the last thing that have been considered in this instance. The defeat, however, is a very considerable one for so mere a trifle. That old Repealers and old Protectionists, ultra-Papists, and ultra-Protestants, should muster 198 partisans on a good opportunity, is intelligible enough, but that Go vernment should only muster 131 names is not so easily explained. Where were they all ? Did the absentees know what was going on ? If the flock was simply astray, where was the shepherd ? We presume that, after all, it is not very likely this address will come to anything. The Committee on the Army and Navy Estimates, whose authority is con sidered conclusive on such matters, recommend the con solidation of the two hospitals ; and though Mr. Butt argues, with Hibernian logic, that the report of that committee came out before Mr. Fox Maule's letter to the Governors of Kilmainham Hospital, and therefore was not the ground of that letter, it is much more to the purpose to observe that the report of the committee was out before Mr. Butt's present motion saw light, and certainly condemns by anticipation the address in favour of retaining both hospitals. But if Mr. Fox Maule had not that recommendation to proceed upon, he had the same materials as the committee that made it ; and those materials are now before us in the estimates for 1850-1, 1851-2. Here is the mere staff of the hospital, the inmates of which are only about 200, including the whole of the staff itself--master, joint deputy-master, two officers, four resident captains, non-resident captain, adjutant, chaplain, physician and surgeon, providore, chamberlain and overseer of works, secretary, registrar and treasurer, clerk to ditto, clerk to providore, chapel clerk, gardener, matron, seven nurses, four assistant nurses, infirmary sergeant, ditto orderly, two cooks, two assistant-cooks, two barbers, hall-keeper, two lodge keepers, messenger, policeman and armourer, porter to dispensary, person in charge of galleries, ditto of hypo caust, ditto of burial ground, with salaries amounting to 2,893/. This, besides the pay and tobacco money, of the in-pensioners, the keep of everbody, clothing, furni tore, coals, candles, washing, medicines, &c., swelling the tctal to 8,6571. The total number of inmates, aftet all, is that of a common provincial infirmary, so every body may judge for himself whether the hospital would stand on its own merits in these days of retrenchment. A much graver question remains—How are such poli tical surprises as that of last night to be dealt with ? They are, to say the least, very inconvenient. They bring neither credit nor favour to any party, and only weaken Government and stop the business of the nation. PORTLAND BREASWATER.—The breakwater work now I being made in this island is progressing very expedi tiously and satisfactorily. The distance from the shore already attained is 2,970 feet, the 99th bay having been laid down, the distance between each bay being 30 feet ; the breadth of the breakwater is 120 feet. The fortifi cations on the Vern is being rapidly proceeded with by convicts. A new wing has been completed for the fur ther reception of convicts, the number already being 925, and another new wing is in contemplation. A new ' quarry, called "Chain," at the southern extremity of the island, has been opened for supplying the breakwater with stone. The Cherbourg breakwater progresses, and in four or five years Cherbourg will have a railway from Paris. FURTHER AGITATION FOR ADVANCED WAGES.—The plasterers at Manchester have been seeking an advnice of wages, by which their average earnings would be raised from 265. per week to 28s. ; and most of the em ployers find it desirable to comply with their request. The trade is rather brisk, besides which emigration has somewhat affected numbers. The bricklayers are fol lowing the example of their brethren of the trowel ; and as joiners are likely to join them, their demands will fall heavily on builders—especially those having con tracts. Several large builders have felt a difficulty in taking up new contracts in the present disturbed state of the trade, and have for that reason declined to tender. The wages of masons are ss. and ss. 6d. per day, and they contemplate asking 6s. and upwards per day. EXECUTION OF DOBSON.—The execution of this cri minal, who was convicted on the clearest evidence of the murder of Catherine Sheridan, a young woman with whom he had cohabited, at Wakefield, on the 18th of February last, took place at York on Saturday last, at 12 o'clock, in the presence of between 2,000 and 3,000 spectators, who manifested no feeling except that of sorrow at the melancholy spectacle. It is satisfactory to learn that the guilty man was brought, by the spiri tual instructions of the chaplain during the time he was in the prison, to a proper sense of his situation, and that he died penitent. NEW EXTRA-MURAL CE3IETRY.— On Monday the burial board for the parish of St. Pancras ratified an agreement entered into between the Rev. Edward Philip Cooper, of Little Dalby, Leicester, and the burial board, for the purchase of 87 acres of freehold land at Finchley, for the purposes of a cemetery for the parish. The puichase price was 2001. per acre, THEATRE ROYAL. HAYMARKET. Under the Management of Mr. Buckstone. THIS EVENING. APRIL 13 Will be performed ELOPEMENTS IN BRUT LIFE. By Mess T. B. Sullivan, Chippendale, Howe, W. Farren, Buckstone, and Com p. ton ; Meßlames Fitzwilliam, Reynolds, L. S. Buckingham, &c. After which MR. BUCKSTONE'S ASCENT OF MOUNT PAI t. NASSUS. To conclude with MAKE YOUR WILLS. ROYAL PRINCESS'S THEATRE, OXFORD-STREET. Under the Management of Mr. Charles Kean. THIS EVENING, APRIL 13, Will be performed the Tragedy Of MACBETH. Principal charac ters by Mr. and Mrs. C. Kean. After which will be performed the new Drama, adapted from the the French of Mons. Scribe, by Mr. Pa:grave Simpson, called MARCO SPADA. ROYAL LYCEUM THEATRE. Under the Management of Madame Vestria. THIS EVENING, APRIL 13, Will be performer TUE ONME OF SPECULATION. Charac ters by Messrs. C. Mathes, F. !Ifitthews, R. Roxby, Baker, Suter, and Butler ; Mrs. Horn, and Miss H. After which, LITTLE TODDLVICINS. To cone ude with A HOUSE OUT OF WINDOWS. THEATRE ROYAL ADELPHL Proprietor, Mr. B. Webster. —Dire,tr Madame Celeste. THIS EVENING, Aram 13, Will be performed A DESPERATE' GAME. After which, MASKS A > I.) FACE 4.: or, Before and Behind a Curtain—by NleFsrs. 11 Webster, L. Mar •ay, Honey, I'. Bedford, and 0. Smith ; Mesdames Celeste, Woolgar, &c. To be followed by BETSY B , KER—br Mr. and Mrs. Keeley. To conclude with PEPIN° THE DUDIB BOY, AM) PUG, HIS MONKEY. ROYAL OL Y MPIC Tr-E4ATRE. Lessee and Manager, Mr•. Farren. THIS EVENING, A,piciL 13, will be presented SALVATORI ; or, the Bandit's Daughter. Characters by Messrs. 11. Marston, Robson, Diddear, Morgan, and Bender; Mesdames Anderton and H. Gord on. To conclude with LIFE IN AINTRALIA. Supp , rted by Messrs. 11. Marston, Robson, Diddear, Shalders, G. Cooke, Morgan, and Bender ; Mesdames A. Phillips, Anderton, H. Gordon, E. Turner, and Bartlett. ASTLEY'S ROYAL AMPHITHEATRE. Sole Lessee and Manager. Mr- W. Cooke. Unprecedented success of the New Spectacle, which nightly in creases in popularity and attraction.--The novel and wondrous F. ata of the Horses, the Passage of the Burning Forest, the Leap through Fire, and ihe terrific spring of Amakosa's Steed from the fearful Heights over the Falls of the Umtata are nightly hailed with perfect enthusiasm. Mr. Cooke has been for months training the Horses for the astonishing Feats THIS EVENING, APRIL 13, . . AnS during the Week, the Performances will commence with the mapdrlcent Ppectacle entitled AMASOSA.; or, Scenes of Kafir , v,rfare ; with new and brilliant scenery, costumes, and appoint ments. To be followed by an entire change in the ever-popular icenes in the CIRCLE, introducing the most accomplished Equestrian and Gymnastic Artistes of the day. To conclude with a Laughable FARCE. Box- ofilee open daily from• Eleven to Four. Stage Manager. Mr. w. West.' HIGH WATER AT LONDON BRIDGE. Tuts DAY —Morning 35 min. after 4 Evening 50 min.aft. To-Mottaow—Morning 7 min. after 5 [ Evening 24 tnin.aft. 5 THE WEATHEE.,—Surt Onus, APRIL 13. THEEMONETER, IN me SHADE. 57—highest since noon yesterday. 41—lowest this morning and during the night. 47 this day at noon. BAROMETER, 29'98. WIND, N.N.E.—Light breeze, with cloudy weather, rain, hail, and sunshine occasionally. different branches of the public revenue. He did not think it would be of any advantage to subject these hereditary pensions to an annual vote of the house. The way to deal with these questions would be to propose an arrangement, of course it must be a voluntary and optional arrangement, with the holders of those pensions—to offer them reasonable terms of compromise, and so to discharge them from the public revenue. (Cheers.) Then there were certain branches of the public service which he could hardly say Parliament in its wisdom had imposed upon various departments of the revenue. For instance, the Scotch judicial establish ment was charged to the Excise. It was plain that such arrangements as these were perfectly indefensible, and ought to be altered. Everything that properly belonged to the public service and expenditure ought to be under the control of Parliament, and they would never attain to a perfectly sound and right system till they had brought the whole under the control of Parliament. (Cheers.) He must say, however, he was not so sanguine as the last speaker as to the savings which this change would effect. The hon. member for Lambeth said that the charges for collecting the income of the country, including the Post office packets, amounted to at per cent. of the gross amount. (Hear.) He spoke of the Post-office packets as a portion of the machinery for collecting the revenue of the country. He (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) was of a different opinion ; he looked upon the Post-office packets as a means of scattering and squandering the re venue of the country. (Laughter and cheers.) But whether they were a means of collecting or squandering the revenue, they were at least directly under the control of this house; and he was sorry to say that, in that particular case, the control of the house was worse than nothing. (Hear, hear.) He was bound to express his conscientious belief that, if they had been exclusively under the control of the Govern ment department, the expenditure would have been con ducted with much greater economy. However, the hon. gentleman might be assured that whatever measures could be taken were taken to improve every branch of the public expenditure. (Cheers.) But he should be sorry if hon. gentlemen supposed it was his intention to imply any censure upon those who administered the present sys tem. He could not agree in the terms of the motion as it stood. The terms, indeed, were such as he would not be disposed to find fault with if they were con sidered merely as a vigorous expression of the views and opinions of the honourable gentleman ; but if the house were to assent to them, and if they were to be re corded in a public document, they would convey a censure upon those who administered the present system which those gentlemen really did not deserve, and which the house probably would not desire to convey. The hon. gentleman declared, in his first resolution, that an enormous sum of money was annually expended, in violation of public, prin ciple, and in defiance of the constitutional rights of this country. Now he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) had already , stated, in the broadest possible manner, that he wished to bring all the charges connected with the collec tion of the public revenue under Parliamentary control; but he would be loth to say that any constitutional principle was violated by the practice that now obtained, and the reason was, that that practice had been the uniform system adopted in this country in all periods and under all systems of Government, and because he believed that this arose from the fact that the expenditure connected with the collection of the revenue had always been considered a part of the old prerogative of the Crown. (Hear.) He was not stickling for the retention of this prerogative—he believed it would be far better to part with it; but he could not agree to cen sure those who were engaged in the working of the system. He was convinced not only of the perfect integrity but of the enlightened economy that prevailed among the heads of the great public departments: At the same he did not mean to say that no saving could be effected. His own opinion was, that to bring the expenditure of the different departments under the control of Parliament could greatly strengthen the hands of Government, and would tend upon the whole to a good deal of retrenchment. All he wished was, that he should not be understood as looking for a saving of millions, or that he was insensible to the services of suc h men as Mr:Wood of the Board of Inland Revenue, or Sir Thomas Fremantle of the Customs Department —men who, he was quite satisfied, would second and sympathise with the spirit of this house in effecting in every way that was in their power economy and retrenchment. He would not discourage—he would not supersede these men ; but he would rather strengthen their hands. That was the spirit in which he proposed to deal with this question. He had already acquainted the hon. member for Lambeth that they were investigating the conditions of thedifferentdepartments one after another, in order to consider ho w they could best carry into effect the principles he had now admitted. With respect to the Board of Inland Revenue, which, as the hon. gentleman had said, collected three-fifths of the revenue of the country, it was in a state of considerable advancement. At present they were examining the Post office, that great department which, as the hon. gentleman knew, was not a mere machine for the collection of revenue, but was an immense contrivance for the distribution of letters, which it would be very difficult to place in all its details before Parliament as clearly as they could wish. After these explanations, which he trusted would be satis factory to the hon. gentleman and to the house, he would conclude with the hope that the hon. gentleman would not call upon the house to affirm his resolutions. (Cheers.) Mr. WILLIAMS said the right hon. gentleman had met the question in the fairest possible manner. He felt uncommon gratification at the off-hand manner in which the right hon. gentleman had expressed himself, and, wishing to leave the question in his hands, with the fullest confidence in his integrity and ability, ho would not press his motion. (Cheers.) The resolutions were then withdrawn. KILMAINHAM HOSPITAL. Mr. GROGAN and Mr. VANCE presented several peti tions from various places in Ireland against the closing of this hospital. Mr. BUTT then rose to move the following resolution : " That an humble address be presented to her Majesty, re presenting to her Majesty that, in the opinion of this house, it is expedient and right to maintain for the Irish soldier, in his age or infirmity, the asylum which the Royal Hospital of King Charles 11. for ancient and maimed soldiers, at Kil mainham, near Dublin, has long afforded to those for whose benefit it was orignally instituted and endowed ; that the abolition of this ancient Irish institution would be opposed to the feelings of the Irish nation, and injurious to the honour and interests of her Majesty's service ' • anti praying that her Majesty will be graciously pleased to adopt such measures as may to her wisdom seem expedient for removing any obstructions which may now exist to the falfilment of the objects for which this institution is established, in consequence of any directions heretofore issued to the governors by her Majesty's Secretary-at-War, prohibiting the further admission of maimed and worn-out soldiers." He said, though this was an Irish question, yet, he was happy t o sa y, it was unconnec t e d w ith those divi sions in politics,and religion which too much distracted Ireland. Kilmainham Hospital was as old as Chelsea, having been founded by Charles IL in 1664, for the wotinded and iafirm of the Irish army. A charter was granted constituting it a corporation, and it was supported out of the pay of the Irish army on an assessment of 6d. in the pound. This continued for more than a century, till, in 1794, the Irish Parliament took the support of the hospital on itself. At the Union that charge was transferred to the Imperial Parliament. So matters continued until a dis patch was written by Mr. Fox Maule, now Lord Panmure, when Secretary-at-War, in 1851, intimating to the gover nors of the hospital that no admission was to be made to the hospital, and no vacancy to be filled up, after the Ist of April in that year, as her Majesty's Government con• sidered it expedient to close the hospital. Now, whether the measure was right or wrong in itself, he thought the step ought not to have bean taken by the Secretary-at-War on his own authority, and without the sanction of Parlia ment. (Hear.) This was the more incumbent upon him, because in 1833 an attempt was made by Mr. Ellice, then Secretary-at-War, to close the hospital ; but the present Lord Derby, who was then Secretary for Ireland, the Mar quis of Anglesea, who was Lord-Lieutenant, and Sir Hus sey Vivian, who was Commander of the Forces, all pro tested against it on political and military grounds, and the proposal was abandoned. Still more, to meet the objec tions raised against the institution, Sir Hussey Vivian pro posed a reduced scale of the hospital, which should in future consist only of 6 captains and 200 in-pensioners, and this scheme received th e sanc ti on o f h er presen t M a j e slyin 1815, and had ever since been acted on. He thought, therefore, that this settlement ought to be held as a final one. It was true that in 1850 the committee which then sat on military affairs gave a hesitating recommendation in favour of con. solidating the two establishments of Kilmainham ant Chelsea. But the whole evidence on which that recom. mendation was grounded was the evidence of Mr. Fox Maule himself, and Lieutenant-Colonel Tulloch, who was at the head of the out-pensioners. Mr- Fox Maule stated in his evidence that there would be a saving if they closed Kilmainham • but when he was asked whether he would close Chelse a , he said that as to the abstract necessity of having in-pensioners, he could not say much in favour of the:., but that Chelsea was erected in the time of Charles 11. as a retreat for the old soldiers— (cheers}-- - W was looked upon as one of the national establishments of the country—(cheers)—and that it would be against the feeling of the public and of the army if such an establishment were abolished. (Loud cheers.) Now, he said, that if they substituted Kilmainham for Chelsea this argument would equally apply. (Cheers.) Then came tote evidence of Lieutenant-Colonel Tulloch, who was no, 'doubt a respectable gentleman, but his evidence would hardly go for much. The first question put to him on the subject was—"Do you know anything of Kilmainham Hospital ?" and his answer was, " I do not know anything in regard to Kilmainham." (Laughter.) After this promising an swer the right hon. baronet oppo4to [Sir James Graham, as was understood] proceeded to examine the witness, by asking him whether he thought the in-pensioners would have any reason to complain if they were made out-pen sioners—(laughter) —and he said he did not think they would. (Great laughter.) This was not fiction, it was down in the evidence ; and it was upon such answers as these that the report was founded, and that was held to justify' this answer to the people of Ireland. The witness was asked, "Do you think there would be any feeling against coming from Ireland to Chelsea instead of being sent to Kilmainham ?" The answer was, "Certainly not ;" and that was the answer given to almost every question put to him. (Laughter.) The witness went on to say that soldiers are the last persons to care about the distance they have to go. The right hon. gentleman opposite, the pre-. sent Secretary-at-War, was not very successful in his cross examination of tho witness. The right hon. gentleman asked, "Is there any difference in the price of whisky at Chelsea and at Kilmainham?" (Loud laughter.) The witness, who knew nothing about Kilmainham, replied, "I dare say there is." (Continued laughter.) He was asked, " Would not that be an element in the consider. ation of the pensioners ?" and he returned this most philo sophical answer, "I think that with eight officers to super intend 600 men there ought to be no whisky at all drank at Kilmainham." (Laughter.) He was again asked, "Is there general sobriety now at Chelsea Hospital ?" His reply was, " I cannot say as to that. Some time ago it was said the out-pensioners were seducing the in-ones into drunkenness." (Laughter.) Now it was principally upon the evidence of these two witnesses that the committee had grounded their recommendation to the house, which was to override the charter, destroy an institution which had been inaintaimed for a century and a half, and to subvert the royal warrant of her present Majesty, (Hear, hear.) One witness, on being asked whether the out-pensioners e .l a f tHospital , e r n e d p e l r i replied 4` r l p e c n an si a o o n t s be cause arldisposed to give up their pensions and come into Perth applies to b penses." AendaaTtitswayithththeyat view will have no means of coming to Chelsea. If a person at they will said that it t r w ep o a u r l et n to ot pa h y e t h h is e ejightest hardship to it bring pensioners from any part of againstd.the(hiloesparit)al, and h. would appeal to the right hon. gentleman whether such evidence e stilled the discontinu ance of this institution? (Elea j' , L hear.) Sir Hussey Vivian considered the establishment r an appendage to roy alty, and in a country like Ireland, if any monarchial in stitutions they should not be reckletsly taken away. (Hear, hear.) And he might be permitted to remark, that when her Ma jesty visited Ireland, she had a palace at Kilmainham of which she might justly be proud. (Hear. hear.) He would trouble the house with another authority of a very recent I date, which had just been placed in his hands, and he I regretted that he was not allowed to give the name of the writer, because, if he were able to do so, it would carry authority equal to that of Sir Hussey Vivian and the Mar quis of Anglesea. The writer said, Instead of the esta blishment being retained for the benefit of old veterans, it was already shut up against their entry, and he thinks it a shame that such an establishment should be lost sight of for a paltry saving." (Cheers.) He wished to know whether the present Government or Mr. Fox Maule had ascertained the opinion of the present commander of the forces in Ire land, and would venture to say that the opinion which that distinguished officer would give them would not be very diffe rent from the sentiments which he had just read. (Cheers and laughter.) How many Irish members who were not placemen would be found voting against the present motion (Hear.) This was a grant coming to this country from Pie Irish Parliament. He did not mean to say that the house was bound to maintain all votes granted by the Irish Par liament, but he must be permitted to say that if there was one grant which the Irish Parliament would have con tinued it was this grant, because the Irish members who spoke the sense of the Irish people were unanimously in its favour. (Hear, hear.) Now, what would be the real sav ing to the country if the reductions should be carried out ? By the Queen's royal warrant the establishment had been reduced to 6 captains and 200 privates. The charge this year was little more than 6,0001. But even if the establish ment could be maintained at 10,0007. a year, that would not be all lost to the public, for every captain and soldier, on enter ing the hospital, was obliged to give up his pension, and he estimated those pensions at 2,5001. a year. But there were other reductions to be taken into consideration. The commander of the forces, who was master of the hos pital by virtue of his office, received 3031. a year in the shape of perquisites, which must be provided for in some other manner, in the event of the institution being abolished; and a similar amount was provided for two other high officials under the Queen's warrant, which must also be matter of compensation. He be lieved the expenses of the hospital did not cost the nation 5,0007. a year, and he asked, would the house, for the sake of effecting this paltry saving, commit an act of injustice to the military service of the Queen, and an act offensive to the feelings of the Irish people. (Hear, hear.) He considered this a question for the British sol dier. It so happened that an assault was now made on the Irish soldiery ; but the question really was, did the Go vernment mean to maintain Chelsea Hospital and destroy Kilmainham, or was the destruction of Kilmainham to be the prelude to the destruction of Chelsea? (Hear, hear.) He trusted the house would not sanction a paltry saving, the effect of which would be greatly to weaken the confi dence of the army. (Cheers.) Lord G. PAGET considered it a duty which he owed to his profession to second the motion. A very strong feeling existed amongst the Irish soldiery on this point, and Lord. Vivian was of opinion that the removal of the hospital or the doing away with it altogether, would create a consider able sensation in the country, and would, he feared, be pre judicial to the service. Whilst the English soldier had Chelsea to retire to, the Irish soldier had a fair claim to Kilmainham. (Hear.) When the subject was before the Irish Government iu 1833, it was proposed to make the in pensioners out-pensioners. In some cases that plan might have been acceptable • but it should not be forgotten that many old soldiers had no homes or families to go to. (Hear, hear.) At that time the chief reason for the removal of the institution was that the military required barrack ac commodation in Dublin, but since then large and commo dious barracks had been erected in Dublin, and therefore that reason no longer existed. (Hear, hear.) Sir J. FITZGERALD supported the motion, expressing a hope that Parliament would not allow the institution to be broken up. (Hear, hear.) Mr. VANCE said the ostensible reason for abolishing the hospital was economy. But why should not this economy commence at home ? He had no doubt it would be very economical to abolish Greenwich Hos pital, and dispose of the site for villas, or to destroy the efficiency of Chelsea Hospital, by dismissing the inmates and converting the building into model lodg ing -houses. Undoubtedly the inmates could be more cheaply supported elsewhere ; but that was not the object which influenced our ancestors in building a palace for seamen, and establishing Chelsea and Kilmainham for soldiers. (Hear, hear.) The people of DUblin felt as great an interest in Kilmainham as did the Parisians in the Invalides. It was the constant resort of the inhabitants of Dublin, and a great stimulus to parties to enter the service of the country, and he trusted the house would not sanc tion the destruction of such an old establishment without some stronger reasons than those which had hitherto been brought forward. (Hear, hear.) Mr. SIDNEY HERBERT said he had nothing to com plain of in the speech of the hon. and learned gentleman who had opened the discussion, who had stated the case with perfect fairness and great good humour—(hear, hear)— and he could not help joining in the mirth which the hon. and learned gentleman had produced, even at his own expense, in the quotations which he had read from the cross-examination of the witnesses before the committee, but still he could not help thinking that the questions cited had reference to considerations which, in the case of old soldiers, had considerable weight. (Hear, hear.) The question which the house was now called upon to decide was this—would they reverse the policy which they had three times approved of, and which had been carried out successfully by two Governments ? (Hear, hear.) It was quite true that the letter of his predecessor but one in the office which he had now the honour to hold did close the portals of Kilutainham , to future admissions. The arguments that had been used to-night, not only by the hon. and learned gentleman, but by his noble and gallant friend (Lord G. Paget), referred rather to the plan proposed by previous secretaries-at-war twenty years ago, and which, after much consideration, were abandoned, than to any plan now in existence. At that time it was pro posed, not at once to close Kilmainham to all future appli cants for admission, but to divert it from the purpose for which it had been originally instituted, and to give the then pensioners either an increased out-pension or transfer them to Chelsea, with the exception of some few who were too old and infirm to be removed, and who might be allowed to remain in Kilmainham for the remainder of their days. No such proposal had since been made ; and the house must not consider that the question on which they were called to decide. The question for the house to decide was simply this—would they, under the circum stances which he was about to describe, think it wise to re-open Kilmainham, and re-establish it to the extent of the establishment twenty years ago ? It had been said there was a just claim for themaintenance of Kilmainham, because it had been built and maintained bystoppages from the soldiers. Now, the fact was that it was not built by stoppages from soldiers, but by stoppages from that por tion of their pay which went to the colonels of the regi ments, which went to diminish the profits of the colonels. (Hear, hear.) But even if that had been so, he maintained that it was of no importance now, because as the poundage on which the contributions were made ceased in 1794, there was no soldier now in existence who contributed towards the maintenance of Kilmainham. No vested interest, therefore, could be disturbed. (Hear, hear.) But let the house bear in mind the origin and intention of Kilmain ham. At the time of the establishment of the hospitals of Chelsea and Kilmainham the Irish army amounted to 7,000 men. It was calculated that Kilmainham would hold the whole of the incapacitated men from the Irish army, averaging about 300. There was no out-pension. If Kilmainham had not been established it would have been necessary to maintain the invalids in towns at a greater expense. The charter of Charles 11. specified that those only should be admitted who had been incapacitated by wounds from serving in the ranks. Of course, as the army augmented these two hospitals were incapable of taking the larger number that might be required to be taken. Since the foundation of the establishment the out-pensions had greatly augmented, and it was no mere matter of specu lation that men preferred living with their families to enter ing the hospital, especially at a time when prices were low. t was the most natural thing in the world that these old men should prefer going home and living with their fami lies to being secluded in a sort of monastic establishment such as these institutions were, and being obliged to sub mit to discipline and restraint. Take the case of a man badly wounded. He could not live in one of these hospi tals in the same comfort and receive the same attention as he could at home, at the hands of a wife or a daughter. And the result was found to be that at Chelsea, men who were almost incapacitated from helping themselves would not go into the hospital, but preferred taking their pen sions ; and it was natural they should do so. He (Mr. Herbert) wanted to show the house what were the .advan tages to the soldiers of the two systems, and he must say that he thought public opinion amongst soldiers was at present in favour of out-pensions. (Hear, hear.) At the time when it was first proposed to close Kilmainhan there were 207 pensioners in the establishment. Of these, 139 were under 51 years of age, 60 were under 41 years of age, and the remainder under 31; 32 of those were militiamen and four were from the yeomanry. What he wanted to show was, that it was not men of long service who came to Chelsea and Kilmainhan. He did not mean to say that they would find no instances of that kind in those estab lishments, but taking the average it was not the case, and for this reason—the men of the best conduct and the largest service had the largest pensions, and men with the largest pensions would not of course go into Chelsea or Kilmainhan, but it was the men who had small pensions for short service who were anxious to be admitted to those institutions—(hear, hear)—where they received more than the worth of their pensions. The house might see that the practical effect of these establishments was not the same now as it had been formerly. It was quite true that there was a charter for Kilmainhan, and it might be said that you must not depart from the intention of the founder. But he (Mr. Herbert) would ask, did we now adhere strictly to the intentions of the founder ? (Hear, hear.) Of late, the Master of Kilmainhan had been the Com mander-in-Chief in Ireland. According to the intentions of the founder the Master of Kilmainhan was to be an old officer who had received wounds ; ho was to have been ten years a captain ; ho was not to be married ; and if he held another command he was instantly to give it up. Now, could, could it be said of Sir E. Blakeney, the present Master of Kilmainhan, that he ful filled all of these conditions ? He (Mr. Herbert) was sure that any one who had partaken, as he had done, of the cordial and frank hospitality of that gallant officer must be aware that he did not fulfil one at least of the - - - - condition; namely, which required that he should be ;. bachelor. (Laughter.) The original rules of the hospital had also been departed from in reference to the deputy masters. He did not say that that departure from the original regulations was wrong—on the contrary it had proved of great advantage to the public service ; but no person could say that the charter had been strictly adhered to when in the most important office connected with the institution it had been entirely departed from both in letter and in spirit. Under these circumstances, the in clination of the soldier to enter into these hospitals being greatly diminished, both as rogarded Chelsea and Kilmain ham, his (Mr. Herbert's) predecessor had thought it better to decide that though Kilmainham should not be divert e d . . from its original purposes, yet, with the view of affording time to consider what was the best course that could be ,aken, that no more pensioners shouhr be admitted int:O. the establishment. It was quite true that the letter in which this decision was announced had been written with- out the sanction of Parliament ; but Parliament had hitherto marked its approbation of the proceeding by voting for the estimate according to the plan which had been decided upon by Lord Panmure. He (Mr. Herbert) had found the question in that state. (Hear, hear) His immediate predecessor, the honourable mem- ber fiir Essex (Major Beresford), had brought forward his estimate with the - same intention as Lord - Panmure, and during last yaar no attempt was made to disturb the ex- istinearrangement. They call this a cheese-paring economy—(loud cries of"hear" from Irish members) — but it was only by this individual saving of unnecessary expenditure that general economy in the finances was to be effected. (Hear, hear). It was a question that must be decided, not only with a view to economy, but with refer ence also to the general feeling of Parliament. (Hear, hear). It must be recollected also, when you came to dis cuss the q ues ti on of the effect of the proposed alteration upon Ireland, that every si x p ence save d t o th e country b y this plan would be expended in some other part of Ireland by tllc pensionexs ; and tin to the recruiting service s 1% THE PUBLICATION OF " THE SUN" COMMENCES EVERY AFTERNOON AT THREE O'CLOCK, AND THE LATE OR THIRD EDITION, CONTAINING THE DEBATES IN PARLIAMENT THE SAME EVENING, With all other News arriving up to the hour of Post, AT SEVEN O'CLOCK. EXPRESS EDITIONS will be forwarded after the Post is closed by th© Latest Trains. 4 :71,„ • SAUL LONDON, WEDNESDAY, APRIL 13, 1853. Several admirable results have already sprung from the nomination of Lord PALMERSTON as Home Secretary. It would appear, indeed, that the Noble Viscount resumed his labours as an administrator in an entirely new capacity, with the motive of proving to the country his aptitude to conduct other toils no less energetically than 'lie had so long and so frequently conducted those of the Foreign Department. Of this the com munity might have felt assured from the com mencement. PALMERSTON'S reputation as a statesmay is not of yesterday. It extends over the principal portion of the first half of the nine teenth centu.ry. It is associated with the suc cesses of more than one memorable Government. It has been celebrated already by more than one eminent historian. It is conspicuous among the political recollections of the present generation. But, hitherto, the ministerial abilities of the Noble Lord have been almost entirely restricted to the guidance of the intricate mechanism of diplomacy. It was reserved for the Earl of ABER DEEN* to afford his illustrious rival another oppor tunity of revealing his wisdom as one of the ad visers of his august SovEREIGN. That opportunity seems not likely to be thrown aside or neglected. As Home Secretary, Viscount PALMERSTON pro mises—so far as we may calculate upon his avowed intentions—very considerably to enhance the po pularity he had long since acquired in his repeat edly renewed position as Foreign Secretary. This is well. It is peculiarly so, when it is remembered that in the existing situation of affairs, the skilful direction of the duties of that particular depart ment is, perhaps of all, at this moment the most prominent necessity—visible even to the lea s t reflective member of the population. If no thing else could incite the people to look with anything at all like complacency upon the future destinies of the Coalition, this infusion of energy into the operations of the dif ferent officials acting under the H ome S ecretary might most unquestionably. It were scarcely possible, indeed, to regard this movement with apathy or indifference. For that matter we are altogether too deeply interested in its immediate consequences . We have too much depend ences upon the development of the poli c y i n _ aUgurated by Lord PALMERSTON not to watch the various indications of its progress with a most eager and vigilant solicitude. It in volves, among other things, the better organisa tion of the national defences, and the onward or retrograde course orthe sanitary movement—for the quieter non movere principle cannot, here, be viewed as in any way applicable. • Those two great questions—questions of such especial ur gency and importance—would be sufficient of themselves to induce the more negligent observers in the three kingdoms to consider atten tively the results of the remarkable enterprise already evinced by her MAJESTY'S principal Secre tary of State for the Home Department. Bearing in mind the circumstance that another of the most eminent administrators of our time has been appointed by the Leader of the Coalition Ministry to preside over the Board of our maritime Lords Commissioners, and remembering the comprehen sive improvements, in reference at once to the manning of our fleets, and the management of our dockyards, recently announced by the Hon. and Gallant Gentleman, the representative of the county of Middlesex, we may, with some show of reason, acknowledge ourselves to have become somewhat more sanguine as to the probability of seeing these islands more effectually guarded, before very long, from the perils of invasion, even though tha invasion were suddenly conducted by the mos, lawless depredator in Christendom. It is hardly extravagant to think thus hopefully when We have the Admiralty under Sir JAMES GRAHAM', and the Home Office under Viscount PALMERSTON. Naturally, of course, we should have witnessed with more complacency the selection o f some dis tinguished Sea Captain as the chief administrator of the affairs of our marine and peculiarly na tional profession. Under ordinary contingencies, however, that choice seems to be scarcely capable of attainment. England appears to be doomed to find her gallant sailors commanded by some black-coated civilian instead of by some flag-officer wearing the blue cloth and the epaulettes associated with so many glo rious achievements. Red-coated officials are deemed indispensable enough at the Horse Guards, the military service _very reasonably re quiring for its Commander-in-Chief some one who .has had a good sword (and no mere court-foil) clanking at his thigh, if lie has n'.-ver on the " Plughten field." led on the charge and snuffed the " sulphury siroch" of gunpowder. Not so - with the Royal Navy of Great Britain. It is cc,nsidered fortunate in the acquisition of some merely political skipper as First Lord of the . Admiralty —some one so entirely in noCent ofnautical i nformation as to resemble that excellent old lady mentioned in COOPER'S romance, who expatiated on the delight of sailing over the blue-green of the deep when " the ship was cutting' the waves with her tafi'rail." Happily, such being the des tiny of the maritime profession, it has at any rate secured, for this while at least, the great administrative powers of a no less eminent states man than the Right Hon. Baronet the Member for Carlisle. Under his auspices, let us hope tlez t the defences of the country may at length be more judiciously organised, more confi dently, seeing that Sir JAMES GRAHAM will in this matter have to co-operate with Viscount PALMERSTON as Home Secretary. Uncertainty, it must be admitted, still continues nevertheless to darken our prospect of efficient defer ce for England in the shape of apparently warlike but really (in their ulterior purpose) pacific preparations. It is otherwise, we rejoice to think, in regard. to the-probable advance of the sanitary movement. There it is, more obviously than in reference to any other question, that we recognise the happy fruits of Lord PALMERSTON'S nomination to the Home Department. Since the names of himself and his colleagues were first published in the columns of the Gazette, as another Cabinet of All-the-Talents, that energetic Statesman has .given repeated evi dence of his determination not to allow the sani tary question to stagnate in the deplorable man ner tolerated by all his predecessors. As conclusive testimony of this, his conduct in relation to the London graveyards is more particularly entitled to popular consideration. In the House of Com mons, as recently as the sitting of the Bth inst., the Noble Lord took occasion to announce that he had instructed competent medical officers to make au inspection of all the graveyards in the metropolis. "These inspections," said the Hoary: SECRETARY, " are going on as fast as circum stances will admit of, and I believe the result will be as in other cases, where I have had to apply for an Order in Conncil to shut up grave yards. I think the probability is that the same course will be followed with regard to nearly all the graveyards in the metropolis." Nearly all ! Why not all without exception ? Ultimately we shall arrive at the recognition of the entire principle. Here, at least, are the preparatory measures lead ing, we doubt not, inevitably to that grand and comprehensive improvement. Hitherto we have been subjected upon this matter to disappoint ment after disappointment, simply because we have relied exclusively upon vamped-up Bills hurried in a slovenly way through the Imperial Legislature. It is barely rational to rely upon sources of help of that description in cases, like this, of real emergency. Nil pictis timidus navita puppibus fidit. Viscount PALMERSTON is evidently conscious of the truth, otherwise we should never have seen him resorting to Orders in Council for aid in a difficulty which had baffled so often the devices of Parliament. From energetic proceed ings such as these we feel disposed, therefore, to augur well for the future progress of. the sanitary movement. An augury for which the country has reason to be thankful to the wise resolution of the noble Lord, now fortunately Chief Secretary for the Home Department. It is time that " the Dead-man's Question" should be finally disposed of—that further agita tion on this interesting and important subject should be for ever set at rest. That agitation can never cease while intramural interments are tolerated within the limits of the metropolis, or a single corpse can be added to the festering remains that have so long polluted the atmo sphere of the modern Babylon, endangering, and' seriously deteriorating the health of its inhabi tants. Thanks to the exertions of Mr. G. A. WALKER and other sanitary reformers, the atrocious system of burying the dead at the very thresholds of their surviving friends and relatives was clearly and unequivocally exposed in all its enormity. It is unnecessary to enter at any length into the revolting details. Suffice it to say, that a full knowledge of the subject produced an unparalleled concurrence, and brought the voice of public opinion so strongly to bear on the subject, that further neglect or apathy was no longer practicable—the Ministerial attention being imperatively drawn to the subject. Unfortunately, however, the matter was not dealt with in an enlarged and comprehensive spirit. The Board of Health interfered, and a course of jobbery was attempted highly prejudicial to the felicitous solution of the interesting pro blem. Much of this, we regret to say, was ascrib able to clerical influence, exerted to insure a tax on the body of every person dying within the limits of the metropolis, although removed for interment to a considerable distance beyond its limits. " Let us retain our graveyards !" "Let us oppose, with all our energies, every plan for the establishment of Extra -mural Cemeteries unless we are authorised to levy toll, ay, and good heavy toll, too, on every burial. We want a permanent tax of 6s. 2d. on each body. The bereaved relatives will not at such moments think of complaining of a little pecuniary extortion. Many will not have energy sufficient to contest our demands, which will be paid, and that is all we require. The disgust and iudig,nation that may be excited when the matter is considered at greater leisure is of comparatively trivial importance. " Non olet numus." The money will be as useful as if it had been obtained in the most legitimate and praiseworthy manner." Other parties, too, were anxious to obtain their share of the spoil, like human vultures, to prey upon, the dead for their subsistence. In place of one general and well devised scheme, calculated to meet the wants of the entire metropolitan districts—the organisation of the burial arrangements were left to the dis cretion and judgment of the different parish boards the BUMBLES, and other " porochal" authorities, wishing to be permitted to intermed dle in every subject in any way connected with their respective districts, no matter how totally dis qualified they might be for the duties they desired to have confided to their hands. We had thus no fewer than. 176 different bodies all desirous of carrying out their own private views, no matter at what degree of inconvenience and expense to the community, and each having existing preju dices and powerful influences in full operation to control their decisions. What was however left undone by the Govern ment and the Legislature was in a great degree supplied by private enterprise. A largeenneixtzt, of land was purchased at 'Woking o (c amply sufficient," as Lord PALMERSTON last week justly remarked in the House of Commons, " to meet all demands of the metropolis for a good time to come." A very good time, indeed, inas much as it appears from the excellent letter of Sir RICHARD BROWN---Whiell will be found in another part of this day's impression, and which is well worthy of perusal—that there is an " existing virgin grave accommodation in our eight cemeteries and one necropolis, for upwards of six millions and a-half of bodies —a space which it would take upwards of 100 years to cover with one layer of corpses at seven feet deep, burying yearly from 60,000 to 70,000 ; 200 years to cover with a second layer at six feet deep ; and 300 years to cover with a third layer at B v Cfeet deep." When we consider the spaces that have hitherto been available for these purposes, we must be satisfied that there can be no necessity for addi tional cemeteries for several centuries, and that, therefore, the parochial interference is worse than useless, whether we regard the matter in a sani- tary point of view or as connected with the re spectful interment of the dead, or merely as a matter of £ s. d., the existing accommodation, as set forth in the very able and conclusive document to which we have referred, abundantly fulfils the public requirements in every particular. Any trifling departures from the original scheme will, we have no doubt, be repaired, so as to establish the project in all its integrity, and give the l II ' advantages originally contemplated to the CO inanity. Let us hope, then, that sen le. thing will be d one , an d that speedily,` ,° have the matter pl ace d upon a satisfaotOry b a sis' We believe that Lord PALMERSTON is fully alct of its importance, and that his views are perfe ci '' correct. We would only urge expechit °° ,, The great evil to be averted is " procrastination . What is to be done should be done quickly. THE COURT. HEALTH OF HER MAJESTY. The following Bulletin other Majesty's health 111$ issued this morning :-- • . "Buckingham Palace, April 13, 1814 " Nine o'clock, a.m. "The Queen is convalescent. " The infant Prince continues well. "JAMES CLARK,. M.P. " CHARLES LOCOCK, 111.. 0 " " ROBT. I ?ERGUSON, MD' H 0 er Majesty's recovery is so far advanced that farther bulletins will be issued." A 10 Her Royal Highness the Duchess of Kent visitv- ~ Majesty yesterday at Buckingham Palace. • o r! His Royal Highness Prince Albert rode out on 11 $ 4 . hnr,k yesterday, attended by Li t Colonel F. if. I ' - Lieu t. The Visco un t ess Canning has succeeded the Comte of Gain s b orough in her duties as the Lady in NV3it g to the Queen. er Her Roy a l Hi ghness the Duchess of Kent visited b 0 Royal Highness the Duchess of Gloucester yesterday Gloucester House, Piccadilly. v A deputati on f rom the Epidemiological Society, -0 the subject of of the Vaccination Extension Bill, 1 1 1 , 4 0 interview with Earl Granville yesterday at the -`„ Council-office. Th e deputation consisted of Dr: Be' ton, Mr. Grainger, Dr. Waller Lewis, and Dr. Seat !. A deputation from Ryde, consisting of Dr. J. Salter and Mr. B. Barrow, had an interview Ye s day with the G enera l Board of Health at their m Whitehall. ° A deputation f rom t h e Directors of the Eastern s,O Navigation Company had an interview with Mr. 1 1 ,4 at the Treasury, yes t er d ay. The deputation conl of Mr. 11. T. H o p e (Ch a i rman), Mr. E. L. Betts, Pfr'g George Burke, M r . R o b ert M ` Calmort, Mr. B. Campbell, Mr. P. W. S. Miles, Mr. J. K. Brunel/ Mr. Yates (Secretary). f Mr. J. Caird h a d an i n t erv i ew with the Duke o f 1 4 e castle yesterday at the Colonial-office. A deputation from the Ratepayers of the Bora Plymouth had an i n t erv i ew yesterday with the Gedept Board of Health at their office, Whitehall. The deb tation consisted of Messrs. Gill, Stephens, Mortime r ' Elworthy. A Cabinet Cou nc il was held yesterday afterno"ro, the Foreign-office, Downing -street. The Mi n ister sent were—the Ea r l o f Ab er d een, Lord John 10;5c Earl Granville, the Duke of Argyll, the Mar9 l.l „; e r Lansdowne, Viscount Palmerston, the Earl of Olf don, the Duke of Newcastle, the Chancellor of th e chequer, Sir James Graham, Sir Charles Wood , oi d Right Honourable Sidney Herbert, and Sir O w / Molesworth. Th e Council sat two hours and quarters. ELECTION' COMMITTEES.--(THIS LEICESTER. At the sitting of the committee this mornilW e li cross-examination of John Holyoake was, conLin ll Knew Mr. Nor man N orman h a d told him that ie election was a pure one. Had replied, that vi 0 , 04 seen before th e comm i ttee. Had said that he R I ) several cases o f b r ib ery. H ad mentioned a reP Sir Joshua W a l ms l ey giving one man a new 1'3,4) :,1 0 0 1 ; another six month s ' wor k ; also of his having left,'" on the table a ft er a supper at a house in Mount -to This witness was s till un d er exami n ation when ° port left. TAUNTON. , The committ ee resume d t hi s morn i ng at 11 (3eitY The room was immediately cleared for the col i pt to deliberate upon the future conduct of the procee ic ? Upon the readmission of the parties, the ch L Y announced that the committee had resolved ti' 3 l , o , counsel for the sitting members should be at libe, ib el call witnesses to rebut the charges of distinct b` co f which had been made, and it was the wish of th e e mittee that Robert Farmer and John Such sbo called with that view. A t°, Robert Farmer voted for Mills and Colebrook,e ;de, last election. Knew the Arcade in Taunton. -v, qt know John Such. Was not under the Arco rf e je. John Such the night before the nomination. - P-3 , t ie been promised 10i. for a vote. Had not been p rod money by any one to vote for Mills. Rad n ev ioo! ceived any money for his vote. Did not even John Such by sight. This witness was cross- 0 „` at considerable length by Mr. Sergeant Kingl B without materially shaking his evidence. e rg A f John Such —Did not know Robert Farmer. I , o ' under the Arcade with Farmer. Did not offer ly never t9 any o c ff n e e r ed i n R t o b b a e 6 r t F placear m e t r o m vo o t n e ey fo t r o li v f o ri e l l s i tf i ao l4 This witness entirely corroborated Farmer ' s The cross - examinatio n of Sergeant I C ingi elicited no discrepancy. TYNE MOUTH. The committee f or i nvest i gating into the petition rented against the return of Mr. Taylor sat this 11/ ing at 1 o'clock ; Sir B. Hall in the chair. Mr. Sergeant Kinglak e , M r. E. James, and so Power appeared for the petitioners ; and M r . Slade Mr. Hardy for the sitting member. Mr. Sergeant Kinglake opened the case for the i # tioners. The allegati ons aga i nst t h e sittmg melts were that his return had been secured by open and extensive treating. Extensive orders had bee° '' / 1 0 to all the public-house keepers to supply rPfreshZ i and tickets had been i ssue d i n di scr i m i nately to ,8 sitting member's voters. There waa also a chario: bribery by co l oura bl e employment of voters, and P'l'llo them for labour which they never performed. learned counsel was proceeding when our report lei' • COCKERMOUTH. iot At the reasse m bli ng o f th e committee this wori l t y, the witness C rone was b rought from the custody t)f „, i S Sergeant -at-A rms , somew h at more sober than wl,of appeared yest er d ay. H e was examined as to the action relating to the purchase of his bedstead Beason, who was alleged to have bribed him by g` a higher price for it than it was worth. COURT OF ALDERMEN.—Yesterday a cour t w as which was numerously attended. A number of g e o rY men were admitted as brokers. Mr. Thomas Pilloo ct oi Mr. Joh n D u di n were elected members of the Co4cor Assistants of the W a t ermen ' s an d Li g h term e n ' s pany, instead of Mr. James Lyon and Mr. Thomas" resigned. A di scuss i on o f some length took place irof the report " f or th e appo i ntment of governor and ci3sk lain of th e p r i son at Holloway, " and it was sent for further consideration, upon the motion of Alder A i Wilson. Upo n th e mot i on of Alderman Wire, it s` ,tr, ordered that the names and addresses of all person :00, plying to the court to be admitted as brokers of i(1 City be put up in some conspicuous place in the t7thi : hall, one week p r i or - to the date of the holding 0%,J0' court at which s uc h app li cat i on is intended to be TO TINCROFT MINING COMP ANY . — A t the meeting 0' rep"" Tincroft Mini ng C ompany, held yesterday, the r and accounts wer e rece i ve d as satisfactory. The ret u il from sales of tin and copper amounted to 46,8491., Wbeil' the expenditure had been 40 ,8171., leaving, a fter bt payment of dividends at the rate of 15 per cent., 3 lance in hand of 1,4751. SCREW STEAM-SHIP ARGo.—The directors of the G , ral Screw St eam C ompany h ave determine d t o test:, efficiency of th e i r new vesse l t h e Argo, b y a run d the Channel on the 20th inst., previously to her starts' on her voyage to Australia on the 4th o f M a y. . THE COUNTRY DANES._ The Bankers Magazine g , , D ? the following su mmary o f the average circulation el "oo country banks in England for the month ending the i'f o t March. Average weekly circulation of these bank s the month ending March 19 : Private Banks.... Joint-stock banks £3,671,78 5 2,993,611 Average weekly circulation of pri vate and joint-stock banks end ing as above .X 6,665,3 9 6,0 PRICE OF GOLD.—The quotati on o f go l d at Fate about par (according to the last tariff), which, at, English Mint price of 31. 17s. 104 d. per ounce for Po , dard gold, gives an exchange of 25.17 ; and, the fo l , change at Paris on London at short being 25.05, it iU lows that gold is about 0.48 per cent. dearer t io Paris than in London. By advices from Ilamburgh io li price of gold is 429 per mark, which, at the Enfij, Mint price of 31. 17s. 10,3 d. per ounce for standard gives an exchange of 13.7 ; and, the exchange at lot burgh on Lond on at s h ort being 13.6, it follows to p , gold is 0.47 per cent. dearer in Hamburgh than in 1) 0 0 don. The c ourse o f exc h ange at New York on Lon g for bills at 60 days' sight is 1091 per cent., and, the fog of exchange between England and America being a ly 23-40 per cent., it follows that the exchange is noinie' o ,l' 0.33 per cent. ag a i ns t E ng l an d ; b ut, after making 04 ~0 lowance for charge s o f t ransport, the present rate `'`ii not admit of the tra nsm i ss i on o f gold either way bets "- the two countries. THE GOVERNMENT COMMITTEE ON RAILWAYS," 0 0 Minutes of E v id ence l a id on the table of the House Monday cont a i n a ddi t i onal evidence from Mr. Sane Mr. Seymou r Cl ar k e, and Mr. - Stephenson, as We'illklP the exami na ti ons of the following gentlemen Russell, chairman of the Greatliresterif ; Mr. director of th e C raw l J unction Canal ; Mr. Ge 1 ;0 Loch, for th e Bridgwater Canal ; Mr. Barl e y, eliai , r o i of the Manchester Chamber of Commerce; Mr, Denis chairman of the Great Northern Railway; Mr. Broniw, secretary to th e A ud i t Board, Somerset-house ;,„ Anderson, Deputy P aymaster - General; Mr. d 3.4,1, Booth, senio r secretary to the Board of Trade ; 01 Captain Simmons, railway secretary to the Boar , ' Trade, 50 0 , 1 : STEAM ENGINES, &C.—The declared value o f -tnow engines and oth er mac hi nery exported in tha ended the sth ult. was 99,932/. 0 m PORTSMOUTH RAILWAY BILL.—A bill for mu—k ° v.' railway from HaVant, in the county of Southampt o , ll ,oo Godalming, in the county-of Surrey, to be called re Portsmouth Railway," an d f or o th er purposes, Wa s a first time in the House of Commons last night.