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IMPERML PARLLIMENT. HOUSE OF PEERS. FRIDAY, JULY 27. CORN BOUNTY BILL, dee. Tin Order of the Day for the second reading of this Bill; on which their Lordships were summoned, being read, • A Short conversation arose between Earl STAN. Hose and Lord 11AwKrssuIIY, respening the Order in which the discussion fixed for that day, namely, the regular Order as above, and that which the Noble Earl gave notice of yesterday, viz. his Re. solutions upon die general sulleft ; the result of which was, that the Noble Earl ,was . to introduce his observations and arguments in favour of his pro. positions, in the course of his speech upon the re. plat Order of the Day, as arguments, it he chose, against the measure in question. But his Lordship stipulated for his right of speaking twice, as the Resolutions, 'and the Bill in question, were two subjeas. The Question for the second reading of the Bill being .then regularly put,- Earl ST/INF/PPE rose,.and in a speech of con aideraWe ferigth deiivered.hia sentiments rather upon the general subjen with whick.the Bill was con. netted, than upon th&particular measure itself. Of the latter,beirke shOrtly. I. he objed of the Bill be ;,vt7tifirtilintt,Was..to prevent, in seasons of scar. city, the prices of drain from rising to an exorbi. tan( price, by affording due encouragement to farmers to grow it 00 every occasion. In fat% he 'had no tine to put it—;--that the object %was to prevent the possibility of famine. The object' wee most laudable. But the great question was, whether the Ball was the best or most efficacious means of doing it With respett. to giving :doe . ancottragement to the Fat mers. to grow at all times an ample supply of Grain, he thought there were but two, and only two ways ; the: firkt of these was by raising the prices of these, articles ; and secondly, by extinct. wring the Farmer from 'Faxes. These:two modes, though tending to one end, were in them Selves different as light from darkness, anti upon the alter. rot i yes the Farmers themselves would have no hesi. t,ati , an to decide,' His L rdship then proceeded to txftltirite upon the 'great importance of the general sobjett, the Viral importance of which was, as in all ries,to have artielo.of the first necessity the reach of every class uf the community; and the various evils which Would, ensue, particularly to.t he manufattoring and 'Commercial Interests in this Country front the exorbitant price of Corn and Grain. With a•-view to obviate those evils, and to provide' a perpetual, regular, arid never.failieg supplY, he had tO recommend. to theirLnrilships' rn , st serious . . consideration, the adoption, on their parts, of is 8) , tern which he had framed, 1 , r the purliose of regular discu , sion, into three distina Resolutions. lie pre. tnioed that he should 'not, at this late pernel of she Session, urge the timpie, to come to any &cisien opoo them; nut would propose, in order that they may iippear on the journals, and lie. over for Wilier coosiA , r;ition until an early period of the next Sets. sion, that the Debate arising upon the Resolutions be form , Ily postponed until this day sennight. To the firs', and even to the second :Resolution, he WO pretty Confi.!ent of the , concurrenceol their Lord. ships; the first , went to ensure objedswhich were bead to be higely desirable by many Members of that Howe ; and' ui favotir of the second, he had the opi. nioo of .tiseNoble Secretary of State himself, who, if Ire did not misconceive him greatly, had spoken of the alvotrdity of ! he present warehousing system.' Be i was iisy;tre it may be objqted to the idea of founding Thlls in that House, on such propositions, that they must be ;rnrienus, as oath tto a eel taiin extent par. take of the statute f Money 'Bills, and therefore must originate in another House., This he would ad i pi l , 45 tar as it went, but it WaS nothing to what he in. tended to propose upon them, which was, to have the opinion of the House worded, and surely the Itiuse at. Peers were not precluded froM doing that wl.iclt every common C , ,rporation were entrip:.:. ‘ent, s narnely, to give an Opinion. His fir , t pops. 'llion Was for the establishment of Public Granaries, to reeeive in years of plenty , Corn and Grail, pro. littera in this Country, in order to keep d e.en the it rive , . in years , scarcity ; this 'system would alto, afrird it, the Farmer a ct,rtain marker for his Coln and Grain, and at the snue time diminish that which was very wisely eimltottltd for by the Noble SEe.lll3: TART of STATE, viz. a Ittination iit the prices of those neee‘saries. Inese plopositions, he thought, would nor be contested; the second' was, that all laws, whiCh created any impedirwor to the tree warehousing of Coto and Grain, shoul,l so far he re. vealed. in diustrat,rig this propo itiuti, which, he lepeateti, was sandintird by former arguments of a Shca ETBRY of STATE, the Noble Earl en. terra into a copious held of argument. Ile re. fried to the insular situation of this Country, and its relative geographical position to various Nations on ttei Continent, by which it might, under 0. wise 4(iministtlition of these imp mot concerns,. Lerenctered . not only secure from any scarcity itself, but, t , , a certain ,terfit tot the supply of va., rime, C.ntieental States. fie insisted upon the inipo. liey of the duty on warehousing, winch' may be re.' gat ilea ail as penalty upon individuals for storing their 'l' r ti.e first part of thii system effica., ciot 4 J, he conceived Ole adoption of their plan ne. cessary .tind. to render boils Propositions opera. eilicacious, and perfettly - secure of their the third proposition was, in his opinion, oricinsiyely calcula' ft.... The substance of this - l!t4f,,the Farmers should he dischargeo; and per -I)et'434* 'bon) tl a payment of all (tired taxes, lie wished he could :also dischatge them from indired clx,Pion, but that wain impraaicable . ; and also from VOL() and 'CoUnty Rates, Tithes, &c. excepting such rates as may be levied upon any hundred, _as 1,19,&ii , 5; . 4o endeavouring to illtistiate what he cri . lieeiyuct to he the justice and policy„of his con. proposition,.hts Lord lip einero i I to a va. ricty of 4.lonAiled specul.atiorisi embracing a great Isomer of points which he deemed c , AmeCted wi t h toe roar jrft. He expatiated upon tilt tendency of ep”ttid vrs 4 by aceutnulating' :rite Public Dehr, En' ,t , Vrvii;ne the prkes(4'7yt'r,. nei...lssary of sift q, is; ir of chc abate *not whif.l anti:lly on the F4ii rier . • The operation of thli part of the direel taxes itt.• , volved, reciprocally, both a cause and an efrett„..... The Farmer naturally rose the price of his Corn, which necessarily induced a deinand for inCreased. wages on the part of his Servants, which drove the Farmer to demand a still higher price for his corn. mudiiies. In fad, for every pound that was laid on, the consumer it least paid four-fold, By an undue advance in the prices of articles of the first necessity, every branch of the manufacturing and commercial interests of' the• Country were affected; this their Lordships should, in considering this sub jeet, regard as an axiom ; the.ropic was one of the last importance ; it involved not only the well:be. ing, but the very existence of, the Country. By the Reports of the Committee of the other House,, they would see that the increased sum of 0 ,30,000,0004 sterling was paid in 'thirteen years on account of Corn. He deprecated certain language said to be held in another place upon the subjeet, and observed, , that - the present was a stalled which, of all others, interested and affeCted the people. On various other occasions he had come fttrward with propo sitions for the good of the Country, but they were neither of equal importance nor of the same nature as the present ;-to use a mechanical simile, his in struments were weak and inefficaci,us, compared to what he had to work with . a.t present ; they were as but a mallet or lathing hammer, not of sufficient strength to drive the nail.through the stuff, but here he had a sledge which 'would drive all before.it— After thus contending, at some length, in favour of his third Resolution,' hi' , Lordship shortly returned to the Question upon the. Bill,, and moved, ati Amendment, that, instead of its being read a se. mid time now, it he rejeCted. • The Duke of MONTROSS observed, that instead of addressing himself to the understandings of the House, his Lordship addressed what hi sup. posed to be their•fears. He seemed to labour the point to render the people dissatisfied with the Qo. vernment of the Country, and, what was worse, with its Legislature. However rafledions may he allowed in rebate upon the Government, he thought it the duty of their Lordships not to suffer any Opoit the Legislature ; and their forbearanee, When the Noble Eat addressed them, was freoeco:ly more than it Ought to be. It was fortunate, however, that the good sense of the people w a s proof against addresses of the kind.; and he should have no fear to poll them against the principles and system can. tended for by the Noble Earl,: He was very apt to inculcate the idea that ail the sufferings of the People were owing to Wars, which were rn:,re in. • creased by their Letdshies.. Now the wa., that there were no description of Subjetis in, the Coon. try that suffered more by the .effeets of War Onto the Members of that How . , nor ball a greater interest in preventing them;_ but these titsadvantagete were cheerfully borne, as he trusted and believed they were by every other descrip. tion t,f Subjaeta, when they were necessary in re. aped to the Honour or the Safety of the Coon. try: A great deal of what fell. from the Noble Lord, more especially as it regarded the sub. jeft regularly under discussion, was totally ir, relevant. He., therefore, should 'pot - ea tempt to 1 follow With respect to the Bill, instead of raising, it only tended to regulate, the Price of Corn, arid prevent the extrernes of low and high prices, which were both equally injurious; and this was felt . by other descriptionvol the people as well as by the Fiirr ners ..The -Bill was 3 long tittle under considera. Inner ; several months ; it went' to regulate the sys.. l tetra already adopted by the Legislature, and chit fiy provided that the average price of the whole, inste a d of 1 , 31 .66 1 1 4 r distriCts, should regulate its price. Codiv breed of the good policy ()lithe measure,_ he should support ite With reapeet to the sobjen of - wareheusing, tee, whenever it should crime regularly under discussion he would deliver his sentiments upon it, In regard to the third propositioo, the idea of p otieg the Farmers, w 'old neither be the fairest sir the wisest mode ; but let the ManufaCturersaie. ci.ia op 'm that part of it whiell applied to th.t Farmers, airl vice (fierier, and the result . ..would form con. elusions very different from those drawn by the Noble Earl ; theexamot ion 'of so large ;a body from all direct Taxes, would, lie believed, be very ill rreet via' by the people at l arge . Anti, Indeed, tie Noble,Earl himself gave a good answer to,his own argument on that position, as the defalvatiori which should arise, must he supplied by increased imposts an she other braeCheet f the Commoraity. 404 11 4 1W4."ES BU rY sueperted the post. tions laid dowo by .the N,,bte Lordship conceived the preposition of the Noble Earl as 'involving the destrtediVe :prinCiple of a Maximum, which, upo n preaexta the most plan. sible was 'successfully proposed by that sanguin ary tyrant Robespierre, anti at a time when he was deluging France with blood ; but this necessarily, .„ as every principle of the k ind must do, brought on the 'ruin of eves y description of persons , affected ley it, even of the prooosers theroJelvea. The system which the Noble - Earl. so laboured to re ro.rdmend, if a thing so incongruous could be called a ayateen, would please nolaady.—He moat de precate the idea of the House coating. to such Resolutions.: the detoils of suck A system must be coosidered 11Cviolls to their agreeing. to such conditions, and its praaicability in ill its leading prints f . airly demonstrated. Would the Noble Earl say, that the present Revenue was not necessary to be raised 2 The defalcation proposed must t:,crefore be made up, , and the Fanners Proportionably afFeCted by means obindireet taxatim, raising of rents, &e. 'roe propasitiun teas I iable to innumerable objeCtion WB4 that great power, that of feeding' the rople, to be vested p Government, or in what hand) was it to be place:l?-11n Leird , hip cooten.ktl, that the increased prices of the different . artielei of consuMp. lion did n..t arise from thereffetts cif Wars, but was in cooseepience of the increased Wealth and' Com. melee of the Nation, which increased in a gtcater proportion thal . the buriliens, %hick unavkidable and necessnry War., subjeaed the Country to. Upon the whole, he wa, deeloedly averse to the, mode pro posed' by the Nible tail, as 'well a 5 to a great part of the stli4et molter of his propositions,. and he should op i , ose the Amet.dment movcd with r6pc.a to ti c Bid. 1.1,i 14,4 Ifighnets the DUKE of C: L eIIZENCE thought that was SUitletill worthy of their tord,4liips' consideration in the two first LUNDON, JULY zB, 1804. Tt3B Ilatmlu'reb Mail due on Wednesday arrived !Ids mottling. The fallowing are the mutt portant ,articles of intelligent, which it brings: RATI , noN, JULY 13.-- Co-day, in the Die!, she imperial and Royal Cornicial Envoys Made the lowing Doclaration, on which no ohservaiiona Were smikle by she Direeinry of the Empire. • VLRBAI. pECLARATION Tilg IMPERIAL AND it')YAL LVCAtIoN AT TM; DIRT tN CIRCULO. " The imperial and Royal Legation, has it in commission to signify that His imet.a. tat. MAr r.try anticipates at alt tunes in the confidence w hi. h His E leetora I Highness of limas: entertains in the friendly sentiments of Frani.e 'to. wards the Cerium Empire; and on this confidence was' founded the hope of His Majesty, that as the incidents at Ettenheirn and 0111:nburg were of that nature en which the mint friendly and greatesCrowers have never omitted to en ter into satisfactory explanations, the French Court would receive in an tunicabl.; manner, and 'fie desirous to eomply with the request of the Empire for a friendly explanation. " As flis Majesty, therefore, in this natural view of the subject, Cannot apprehend that the measure proposed, in. stead of' procuring the SAtiSfietiOn desired, should produce any new disagreeable . consciiences, he cannot but be of opt. Ilion that the proposed iieliUerAtion of the Diet should be proceeded to, The. Legation therefore has it in commission, if the other COMiliAl Legations shalt receive instructions to proceed to the opening of this (I.:libri.ition, to give their votes SUitable to their decliirtitiot,* of the 14515 or May." VIENNA, JULY I I.—The Frcnch Arnbascador here, CI-lAMPAGN'Y', h appoilicid Grand Odicer of t the Legion of Honour. fie.is nuking iireparations for a magnificent Entertainment, which he intends to give on the Coronation day of NAroLzoN. In the mean time, neither 'he nor our Amb.itisidJr at Pdris have received their new Creden'tiali. VENICE, JULY 6.—They write from Rom!, that LUCIEN BONAPARTE has unexpededly taken a re. solution to return to Rtris. His-Lady, with their Child, six months old, wLI remain in Italy. A neilObouring Great Power hats given in an Midi Representation at Milan, impqrting that the ere lion of a Kingdom of Lombardy is incompatible with the last Treaty of Pe,:cz. ANCONA, JULY 2.—The Ftencli Privateer whie) on leaving Ancona, attacked an - English art Vessel at the entrance of the barb or of Triest, but I was prevented from taking her by the cann In of the Molo, has been detained by the*Governor of Tries', till a judicial inquiry sltall have been made into the Afar. There is a report that the P' - 'l l a l Territory, under certain circumstances, will be in• creased, by the re-annexing of the Legation of Ravenna, Ferrara, and Bologna. s ITALY, JULY 4,-...The KING and QuE rx of SARDINIA have left Rome, and are gone to G in thr 'Kingdom of Naples. It is not expetita that they will bco on'return to Rome. The Queen, l ; on account of her ill health, will have recourse to sea.h4thing:. The Archdurchess MARIANNA Cif Austria will likewise leave Rome. The French Troops in the. Ligurian Republic amount now to 3000 men. Oil the 29th nit. M. SALierrrt, Envoy from the Einverur of Frdnce, gave in his new Credentials to the Government of Genoa. Oo the 14th of May the. Roman Imperial CO 41 At Corfu gave in it Note to the Government that) stittilig.th,tt his Court took great interest in fl'c wtif.t . re of the Seven Ulrch, am! the more so, since they were prott4ted and L ;oar,:nre,d by a P ,, "e r which was its antienr , frie, u ally. L. Lott hivi6 is now Prince Ple4ldZlit of the said 1.14 BERN, JUNE 4.---Thefrick clic DqutieS are 6 ' l ' pioyed tit concluding a Treaty of Commerce wit h Franc::. They w car,:tul, among other ro prevent any.' ftuthet &fitment arising to 114 Printed Linen .Mantstattory, in consequence of (14 prohibition issued in ,France last year. PETERsBUILGH. JULY 3.—lt is understnotl thtt an impmtant ll.claration relative tc several tt has been sent horn our Court by the last Contact Paris. B&RLIN, JULY 17. —In the night °Oho. 14th inst. a Russian CiAtrier arrived here from Si, Pete"' burgh, and the neZt day continued his jtArneY I() Paris. CcrI4STANTINOPLE, JUNE 1 are assurdo that in consequence ut Foreign iZepre , cotittiuni , th e Porte now nv.if..es utt act; unt ut A ,ystrO of neo , ratity, to permit ;my mote.S!tilis ut \Vat t't Troops to }crib from the I.3ladt Scan into the 111101i° tertiat.ran. ' 7 llle 'Cilillia!)Cila, ti:IS toiled to culled tbi ll coltotnaty titivate tiutn the lilands ut the pelq, w .tt the same tithe keep a watchful Cl O on the Cutts 01 the Mut - ea un Albauia. (Frain tbr Ilamberg6 Corresrogdotiot of 1 4 4 " i~ IEI 6 Pia 1,, jt; LY t I .—The hinixtor rot uu t tip: 9 nand zoth B .ulo4" e ; w it to.day the of St TALL E YRA DIV, the Chiet of Dt UT I. ti I V 4e t'QIIt iO f 831,11$ LOC. bltrael of a private LetUr from o dated yid, / 30.-" The Sits ut iianovrr Iht v. .t i )plieil tc, the City lhi Br-env!) tor a Wail ;:t $ rix dollar', winch liar been I' ll ' 4l bY the 6 , :na‘e and Citizens absetnbita for 1114 I ,ur, ose, A C:Jurirr afterwards arriva from Flan°" fir ith pett!ittittuty orders that the ( (twit aholl' w 101111 IW,) 110Of3 t come toton 1111:11 IrrSOLLI (I,7O / Whe ' ' Cher tt would cdmply with the tlenyind ut our• 1111 and Citizens, It 'Neve:, gave a P' s;ll° rcitis,ll, athl we shall scum bee whibt will b the al° seqUenCtS. " egr0m0hn,11.4111...... f The p,itrticulars_of the, of Havre, by enc. Slu4dron under the commolur Captain Ot. tvett, wh ich Wc antIOWICed id our l'2l ref of yriterday, wilt appear in this evening's G j. zette. • Letters from D . aver nf.last night mention, 0; Neutral Wool, arrived there fro'm the Cod' I to France, Inings intelligence that BoNArimt . rt ; rived at BOllkeill on the 20111 inst. .the day ° ‘l the combined efforts of the elements and our Se l ; dion had driven. eight or nine o f his frail on the rocks. It is state& t h at h e was s at/ dial the 23.1. inst, IF the - various Paragiaplis that have 'appear eg ti many of the Daily Paper/ for several di,Yi P sf respeeting the gallant Admit al CosittwALLter I.°v originated in mere misapprehension, of o n 2ni • plausible grounds r sa i ipusing that the obi of his returning to Putt was that of his being ' ° V er ; seded in his Coininand, either at his own lee 14 or by order of the Hoed of Admiralty' , 6 1 ' be as ready as' any, of our, brethren to f'l 4 ` c 0, 4 0 the necessity or the expPdiency of such a "'; sure ; but , we have- strong' reasons for surr"ii', `that the report has originated not in n ii,co` ck' lion, but in a snalicious and intselilevous whose objet, however, .will 'be thoroughiY ; - mated, since we can state, tram n. a uthority, that the idea of rein tk irrg Admir 4 l C °Ps wALLIs from his Command, s% as naves Or a I°ll tinny, and, without pledging himselfto snprtt them, he would say, that it would not be improper to de bate them at a,futute period. As to the last Reso lution, were it adopted, it coal nzver produce the benefit the Noble Earl was so sanguine in expeeling from it; for the Landlord, when he found the Far mer was exempted from Taxes, would raise the price of his land ; and therefore, in the homely but true proverb, it wculd be " robbirg Pelt:r to pay Paul." The question was then Or, an(l the Bill read a second. rime, with only, one dissenting voice, dim ot Earl STANHOM On the Minion of Lord HAWK FSS URY, the COM. mitment of the Bill was dispensed witb, a n d ;in or. der filmic for the third reading to-morrow. Rut STANtiorn 661 rose, and, after a short Speech, moved the following Rein lotions : Resolved, First, " That it is the opinion of this House, that Public' Granaries should be established, to receive, in years of plenty, Corn and Grain grown in this Country,. in order to keep down the Price thereof in years of Scarcity, and effectually to ensure to this Nation, in all seasons, a suffi cient supply; and likewise in order to provide. for t h e Fanners, at all times, a certain Market fur . their Corn and Grain, and to diminish fluctuation in the price of those ne cessaries of Cite. ItesOlved,,'Secondly, That it is the opinion of this House, that all impediment';, created by any Law or Laws, to the frt'e Warehousing of Cons and (.2; rain,, ought to be re moved, abolished, and repealesL Resolve , !, Thirdly, " 'That, in order to encourage the growth of Corn and Grain in Great Britain and Ireland, and at the same time to de.:rease the price thereof, tir the benefit of the people at large, and for the ►ncrease or our unaitulac tures and commerce, it is the opinion of this House, that the Farmers should he for ever discharged trout the •payttvut ut all dir , ,!ti taxes, parish and•Cuunty rates, cessea, dues, tythes, and parliamentary, impositions whatsoever, save only and et►- cept'those rates of the nature of a penalty, which may be raised upon any Hundred as such." Lard MULGRAVE contleenned the language the Noble Earl, as tending to disseminate ttiscon. tent against the Governinent, and the 14-gislature, ,and - regretted ,that he had. not done, immediately after the Bill had been read, what he would n do, and that was, to move that the Huthe ad journ._ _ _ _ Earl STANHOPR exrdained, and was followed !wy The L(M1) CHANCELL:h4 wiut disvproved of the language and conduct of the N tArdship stated, in forcible tcrito, that the nyin who should endeavour to set the poor the' rich, was neither the friend of the poor nor the rich. The DUKE of CLARENCE explained the rea. yon. fur the Hilt, which he would not consider as a measure of Governinent, although it had met with the approbation and support' of both the present and the last Administration, The Wile Ettl W.as mistaken, in supposing that the alteration in the date of the Commenientent of the An %Va, to be tributed to his opp sitiori to the Bid. The fait was, that a Very shainefUl cry had been rai.ed against the Bill, and the promotcrs of it yielded so tar to p O . pular prejudice s , as to postpone the operation of it until the kiDet of the approaching Harvest should be The Question was then rut on the M , thn of Llfd Mil Los AV i s and the U u,e inti.nitned until to.tuqrrow. MAILS, nut., 11..unburAlk Ana iv sp. • PRICE OF STOCKS, Tim ua . v •A rwti.vg o'rLeicx.. Cattsols . sG I ttr t. Ann. . 57i Ulna. - 6i THE SUN. socam cavis DICTA& rAtsum nuntAr