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"MT T in Aouse; for which reason, he was strong, y of opinion, the DeclaratorY . Part ought to be ormt ted..l-fe distinguished between t?le Judicial and Legi slative Power of the House : By the one it determined upon its own Rights and Privileges ; by the other, it 'aded only as one part of a Legislative Body, from which be concluded that no danger was to be appre hended from this Bill on account of its going to submit to the House of Lords a point involving the privi leges of the House of Commons, because what was to 6e- done by the House in this Bill, was done only in its Legislative character, and should the House of Lords rejel the Bill, the judicial eharader of the House of Commons would remain untouched, and the House might, after the rejection of this Bill, vote a resolution, declaring the Ineligibility of persons in Holy Oders taking a seat in the House of Commons---He thought, however, that the better way.would be to omit the declaratory part of the Bill, and to make it purely prospedive. Mr. W DH AM approved of the delicacy by which Gentlemen were ;taunted, when they felt that a person in Holy Orders was ineligible to a Seat in that House, yet determined to take no step by which that Seat was to be affeded in the present Parliament ; but if he was put to a choice of diffi culties,• and was obliged to abandon. one or the other, he should have no difficulty how to ad— Delicacy towards the Individual must be buried un der 'that which was to be ereded for the public good. He thosaght the better way would have been to vote•at once, that a Person in Holy Orders was ineligible to a Seat in that House. However, now that a Bill was brought in; he • thought it would be dangerous to give up the declaratory part of it ; that would be worse than silence on the question. of Eligibility—ii,would be taken as an abandonment of it. • He had no objeEtion to this measure being adopted, as some Members seemed to wish to retain that part of the Bill which was declara tory, and also of providing that the 'Seat of the Reverend Gentleman whose case had given birth to tlte discussion, should remain unaffected in the pree sent -Parliament but whether that could be done or-not, he would not leave a doubt any longer on the Law upon the subjeEt. • - The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, he - need not repeat that it was as much an objet} withliim as it could be with any one , to retain the declaratory words- in this Bill ; he indeed wished that the character of it- should be declaratory ; but there was a difficulty in doing so, and also retaining the Other objedi, that of not affeding the Seat of any individual ; now, in order to effed both ) he really thought -the better way would be to agree to the declaratory part of the Bill, and then to , have a ptioviso, that nothing in the Ad should extend, or be construed to extend to make ,void. the Ele&ion, or vacate the Seat of any Member of the House of Commons before the passing of this MI. He then took a view of the case of Mr. Iktis H WOR TR, by way of analogy to that of Mr. TOOKt, and upon the authority of which the latter had . been defended, and•to ihew that therefore it would be improper to dispossess the present Member, although in Holy_ Oiders, during the present Pa r liame n t ; he argued, thug it wou ld have been unjust in the one cas e , it bust be un just in the other. He entreated those who doubted this, to look at the case of Mr. R USH _ ' ewoRTI . T ; a Petition was presented against him on his Return in the year 174 on account of his bein g jUlt o ly Orders. That Petition was referred to a Committee under the provision of Mr. GR E VILL E'S Bill. By e that Commitee Mr-ItirsHwortrst ryas declared duly eleeled. Now, be would ask, whether it would not have been deemed a harsh tiieasure to bring in a Bill to exclude Mr. Ruin. WORTH from his Seat in tl6t House during that Ses sion of Parliament, after such a decision of a Com filittee competent by Law to decide as they had decided - .? He believed there' were but few wh a t would doubt the harshness of such a measure. All who would have thought such a measure harsh, must think the same of this, if it did not contain a Provision against the Seat of the Hon. Gentleman !seing affected 01 this Parliament by such a mea. fore ; jot' it Was a measure in the same Session as that in which he was eleded, and hiS Elec tion was upon the authority of that case. He then stated 'the inconveniencics which would fol low, if any mode short of an Aa of Parliament {vete tried as a remedy, any thing else would be inconclusive. A Resolution of the House at one time would not be binding upon a COpuli tree, wider Mr.' GIL to,t's . Bill at another, so that a de eiion of a Committee might appear in the teeth of Resolution of the House, which must introduce t uicertainty • and 'distressing embarrassment. This t he- Bill now before the Committee was calcu lated to_Prevent, and therefore it was prudent to adopt ; but the prudence or the convenience of thernemsure would pass for nothing • with him, if he Were not satisfied of its justice. It could not . be imagined, that he desired this measure to contain any provision, - from any personal motive whatever, either of compliment or censure upon any individual—Other of courtesy, as from tenderness in4rivate life, between man and man, or from any di4lteein ; both which personal feelings ought to be treated with scorn, when a subjed of Legisla tiefi'was Under consideration. It was needless for hint - to say be did not offer any thing in this Bill our of a spirit of personal hostility to the Hon, Member, over the way (Mr. Tooca), and he begged it to be understood, that he was equally distant from any partiality to him. All he did was with a view to the general principles of justice and liberality, which, in his opinion, ought to mark proceedings of this nature. He, therefore, thought that the declaratory part of the Bill ought to be preserved, and that there ought to be a Proviso to prevent this Bill having any eirea on the Seat of any Member now in the House. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL, in conformity to the wish of the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, read a Proviso to the effect he had opened to the Com mittee. Mr. BANKS thought the word " declare," ex tremely tit to he retained in the Bill, but had so great an objeaion to the Proviso proposed, that he . declared, he had rather have the Bill lost, than that it should contain such a Proviso : he had no doubt of the of Persons in Hely Orders to seats in that House ; tut by this Proviso, the Hon. G ent leman, whose case made the Bill neccssarv, DISPATCHES from Admiral Sir HYDE PARKER were this morning receive..l at the Admiralty-Office. They .were brought to Yarmouth in the Bianchi. Frigate, rapt. Tta E. interest which the Public Eel in the Egyp ,tian Expedition is such that some of our cotempo raries thought it recessary yesterday to contradia the rumours which were in circulation on the pre ceding day, of intelligence having been received by Government . from Sir RALPH A BERCROMBY. Vie do not deem it necessary .to follow all the re ports•to which ignorance or interest give rise.— The News which was yesterday current seems, however, entitled to more notice : a Commercial House, Messrs. JottnAN and SHAW, yesterday re. ccived a Letter from Cork, from the Captain of a Vessel which had arrived from Bayonne. He heard at that place of the French Army under General MENou having capitulated on the 23d of March, after an obstinate Battle. The very respeaable charancr of the 'Gentlemen by whom this Letter was received, cannot fail to have its due weight in the public estimation, of the probability of. the account. A few days will, we hope, put an end to our anxiety on this important subjea. We last night received Paris Papers to the tith just, which, like most of those that have lately ar.. rived, afford us very little matter for notice. It does not appear, however, that the case is the same in France with the English Journals. The intelli gence which they have lately contained respeding Egypt, has given the - Journalists of Paris great hour, and the Moniteur, in particular, devQtes much space to the refutation of our LoncfreGazette Extra ordinary of, the sctinst. Our limits will not allow us to insert their objections to the accounts ; but if our Readers are impatient to know in What manner our Enemies attempt to overthrow an Official State ment, we refer them to our own Opposition Papers, which have furnished the ILlers;44.4r- with the-basis on whjch all the supersti*lure of its re4bouing is The,F4ncit doVelltment haie thtt>;scl es communicated nothing to the Public oti the itiblea of Egypt: • ~„ The only article in these Papers relative t 6 the Expedition against Portugal; i 8 in the Mo;iiteur-;4t is as follows : General Morattr writes from Burgos to Ge. neral Leci,tßc, under date the 28th Advanced Guard arrived two days ago. at Burgos. We every where met the heartiest welcome: The Soldiers are well lodged ; the Magazines are stored for two months with provision of the be 4 Await) , we assist on Sunday at Mass, wilich,,w4 serve to dissipate all prejudices that might have been con. ceived'against us. " The KING of TUSCANY passes through this place to-morrow. I shall receive him with military honours. " The Spanish Army is On the Frontiers of Por tugal. In an affair of Advanced Posts, it has taken several hundred Prisoners." We find only two other articles in the Papers that can be considered as in any degree interesting. RATISBON, APRIL 28.—We are assured that at this moment very aaive Negotiations are carried on between the Cabinets of Vienna and Berlin, and that the Minister of Brandenboarg will not give his Vote, nor the EMPEROR issue his Imperial Rescript, until they shall have come to an agreement. SF:NIL IN, APRIL 18.--It is announced to-day, that PASSW AN OG LOU is reconciled to the Pacha of Belgrade, and even that he has submitted to the Sublime Porte, who has granted him an absolute Pardon, through the mediation of the Envoy of Russia. This Minister has, it it said, notified to the Rebel Pacha, that if he persisted in his revolt, or renewed it after the armistice, a Russian Army would march against him. The Hamburgh Mad due yesterday is not arrived. His MAJESTY yesterday morning before break. fast walked in the Gardens of Kew Palaccraccom pinied by the QUEEN and PRINCESSES. Lieutenant GREGORY arrived yesterday at the Admiralty, with Dispatches from Egypt.—Their contents are understood to be duplicates of the former advices from . Egypt. An Officer from Ge neral Sir RAL.II AB ERC ROMB y also arrived at Mr. Secretary DUNDAI'S Office. Mr. CoußvorstEß left Town last night with Dispatches to the Court of Petersburgh. Colonel MAN L EY, of the Royal Artillery, set off last week for Dublin, to take upon him the com mand of the Artillery in Ireland. CoienelYrsim, of the Engineers, is appointed Chief Engineer in-Ireland. Lieutenant-General Sir JAMES PuLTENEY ) ac companied by Colonel ROBERTSON and several other. Officers, went to Woolwich on Monday to try the merits of a portable bridge, the invention of the Colonel, and which he had submitted .to the Board of General Officers. It, appeared pettedly to answer the intention, which is .to enable Troops. to cross Canals, &c. and is so constructed, by joints, as to admit of an extension from twenty to forty feet, ovet which a twelve-pounder may be easily and safely passed. . On Saturday marched into Plymouth, the Ist Di vision of the Royal Lancasidre Militia, Colonel Lord STANLEY. YeSterday a Court of Directors was held at the East India House, which adjourned at five o'clock tiil Wednesday next. The Corn-Market yesterday was very dull, so much so, that Wheat has again experienad a further decline of 9s. 'ier quarter, Flour 7s. per sack, and other grain in proportion ; Malt was very heavy, and full per quarter lower. Mr. DALLAS, Secretary of the State of Pennsyl_ vania,. is appointed Attorney-General of the United States ; and-Mr. Geneose, is nomi. - Dated Secretary of the Treasury. The .Ships Canada, Minorca, and AA engaged by Government to carry convicts . to New South Ni;ales, have been permitted to proceed to China, to bring home cargoes of tea. The Middlesex Sessions will - be opened on Tuei_ day next at Hicks's Hall ; and the Sessions at the Old Bailey will begin on 'Wednesday. Married on Tuesday last,' at St. George's Church, Hanover-square, THOMAS MAUDE, Esq. of Burly-house, in the County of York, to Miss JEMMETT, daugter of WILLIAM JEMMETT, Esq. of Ashford, iii Kent. Music.—The ANNUAL. CONCERT for the benefit of THE MUSICAL FUND, took place last nighc• in the great'Room at the Opera House. The 111eisiah was the Piece chosen on this occasion, and was most ably opened by HARRISON. The Concert was sup ported by an assemblage of the chief Mihical Per torrners in this Concert, alai was attended by a very numerous and elegant Audience. Clermont, the residence of the late Lord CLIVE, and now the property of Lord Tyr,comNEl, is or dered to be razed to the ground, and the materials to 'be disposed of under the hammer of the Auc tioneer. The situation of Mr. Masquerier's great Piaure, in Piccadilly, is particularly well chosen as a Morn ing Lounge, and there is nonewhich moredeserved , ly attrafts the notice of the numerous parties which, at this gay season, frequent that part of the Town. On Monday, about four o'clock, the Rev—Mr. Willis, of Ringwood, Hints, in company with a Gentleman and Lady, were stopped in a post-chaise between Egham and Bagshor, by a single highway -nyan, who robbed them of about 41. in notes and cash, and two watches, A ., iy- A i rtd i ! ‘ if :Aron itli ieviringui• aribi lone dawn. PLYMOUTH, MAY 1 2. ARRIVED the Spanish Brig Frakeiscd Stai. , ieux; from St. Sebastian's, in ballast; captured on the zd inst. by the Earl St. I;ineott Privateer ; also the Amerieau Brig Minerzni, of New Bedford, laden with barilla, front Alrneira, detained by the Ferret Privateer. POR . TWOUTE, MA'i r;: ARRIVED His Majesty's Ship Hazard, Capt. EtiriERFIELD, frOM a Cruize. In her passage she beat over the Puller Bank. The Revenue Cutter Two Brothers, under the command of Mr. GREEN; Mate of the Antelope Cutter, arrived this day from a Cruize, with the . smack Endeavour, of Arundel, with zso casks of spirits, and some other goods: Arrived the Johanna Planter, Quirt, from St.- Kitt's ; Eagle, AL t. EN, from Aberdeen ; and May; DENNIS, from Guernsey. FALMOUTH, MAt rI. , . Man , E rt this morning, the Prince Elwell' Packet, Capt. PETRE, with mails from the Leeward Islands, in thirty-six days from Tortola. Put back the King George Packet, with the Mails of the 28th ult. and sth inst. for Lisbon. Arrived off, the American ship Argo, Capt. HOWLAND, from Barce:ona, laden with wine, &c. called here for orders ; also appeare,l off, for orders, the American ship Susan and Polly, WOODBURY, from Charleston, with sugar, coffee, &c. and sailed again for France. PASSErIGEILS PER PRINCE ERNEST. Mr. Liston (our late Minister Dr. Armstrong, at Philack., •ia) and Lady, Mr. M'Lachlan, Major Brown, Mr. Gilbert, Capt. Boger, Mr. Jones, Lieutenant Gregory, Mr. Rose. Lieutenant Morrell, DOPER, MAY 13. A Flag of Truce arrived this morning with a Dispatch for M. OTTO, and Paris Papers to the i 1 th inst. but they do not contain any thing of importance. was to be put in a' better situation thin any other Clergyman in England. The Scut trost GENERAL supported the Bill; and also the Proviso, with great ability, and at some length. Mr. SHERIDAN maintained, that Gentlemen on the other - side of the Housc had all assumed, that if the House had come to a vote on , the Eligibility of a Person in Holy Orders to a Sear in that House, the resolution would be, that tach person was ine ligible. What reason thelt for krißwing that such would be the resolution of the House . he knew not—What there was in the present time, when the House was thronged with Soldiers, Seamen, Law yers, Merchants, and other persons equally attached to one sort of interest, that made this distindion necessary, he knew not, nor did he know what it was that made a Clergyman so corrupt and unfit to mix with the purity of the House of Comtpons ; but this he knew, that this Bill upon the reasoning chiefly made use of to support it, was preposte. rous, because it provided a legislative remedy,. for that which; was in the power of one branch of the Legislature, namely, the House of Commons, to dispose of without assistance. Mr. N. PAWSIITART said, that the effea of the proviso proposed was not with any view of accommodation to the case of the Ho- nourable Gentleman over against him, but to pro vide that the case of the Clergy should not be pre judged ; nor was there any idea by this Bill of con sidering the Clergy as too corrupt a body to be ad_ mitted into the House of Commons ; bat rather as a token of resp2El and reverence for that body of men, whom the COnstitution regarded as persons above secular concerns. Mr. TOOKE contended, that if the declaratory part of the Bill rernaineLi, it would completely clash with the former decision of the House. Mr. ALEXANDEIt spoke shortly against the Amendment. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said it had been incorre&ly stated, that the House, on a former occasion, had decided that persons in Holy Orders were eligible : in point or fa& the House had merely said, that they would not then decide upon the question. After a few Words from Mr. MARTIN of Gal way, the SOLICITOR GENERAL., Mr. PONSONBY, and Mr. JOHNSTON,' the Committee divided, For Mr. 11. TOOKE'S ArileildMClLL - I Against it 102 Strangers were not again re-admitted during the discussion upon this Bill, but we understood that the Proviso suggested by the.CHANcELLox of the ExcHEQuER was agreed- to, that the Bill went through a Committee, and that the Report was or dered to be received to-morrow. The Irish Members' Exemption Bill was read a first time. Mr. CORRY presented several Accounts resped in„G the Courts of Justice in Ireland, which were ordered to lie on the Table. Mr. CORRY moved for iZaVe to bring in a Bill to indemnify persons who had negleCted to qualify themselves according to Law to hold Offices iii Ire land. Lek-re was given. • Adjourned at ten o'clock till to-morrow. THE SUN. *OLIN QCIS DICILKE FALSLM AUDEAT ? LO NDO N, MAY 14., 180;. DEAL, MAY 13. 1-Its Majesty's Sloop Serpent arrived yesterday evening, with a Convoy from Ireland ; the whole of which, saving the former, have proceeded to the River, His Majesty's Ship Heldin sailed last night on a Crtlize to the Westward. Arrived this morning the Surprize Frigate, Ns ith a Fleet of .Ships twin the West Indies. The Sur: prize remains, and the West Indiamen are all pro. ceeding through the Downs to the River. The Savage Sloop of War,. with the outward_ bound under convoy, sailed this afternoon fur Ports- mouth. SHEERNESS, MM- 13. ARRIVED His Majesty's Sloop Driver, of iS gun 3, Captain DUNBAR• Sailed the following Gun-brigs, B/oodhorqui, Lieut. BOGUS, EaSilt ' Sk, Lieut. Goocx, for Jersey ; Archer,. "ACM. Su E &RIFF, Mariner, Lieut. M r I L -1. I AM S, and Ferricter, Lieut. MENDS, for the Downs. The Arroitu has come into Harbour, and the Bir- tern has gone out. The his is taken into Dock. AMSTERDAM, MAC 4. ON the 29th ult. the long-expeaed General. Au_ GEREAU arrived at the Hague, but without receiv ing any marks of public distinction. On the Dst of May he assembled the Members of the Batavia!, Go_ vernment, and announced to them the Arret of the Consuls, bearing date April i t th, declaring, thai in consequence of the revision of the Batavian Re public, which was long since found necessary, they had decreed that the Batavian Republic should from henceforth lose all separate distinctions, and form a part of the French Republic, one and iiuiiv This communication was heard with evident marks of disgust, and the meeting broke up abruptly.— Symptoms of discontent were manifested by the lower orders of the people through the day, and the Orange Cockade was hoisted in the evening. At midnight a secret meeting was held at the house of M. VANDER LINDEN, the late President, by the principal Members of the Governmeut, anti a Dispatch sent off to Baron DE WINTER in the Texel, ordering him immediately to sea, with in strthions to put himself under the proteaion of the British, in the name of the PRINCE Of ORANGE. On the 3d of May, at day-break, Baron pit WINTER we;ghecl, with 13 Ships of the Line, seven Frigates, and several schuyts carrying cne . gun its their prow, and on the si.th the whole Evt t Fad passed the Fielder Point, and was lying within tite Broad Bank, with the English Colours flying at their mizen, and a white jack at their fore-mast. The tumult is increasing every moment.