The Sun. — London, England, 1814-11-26 00:00:00

t . togi i i )el l l , e. it . to w hoi .—tlic r : i y CO' ell , to' ! o , a td *O C )101 115i telat!it trc eti • .es, t or;ito't. 0 11 )70' e.e,ste tlie it j it' 1 ii 1 14;31 :1 1'1 • 1P 0 , ti 0 4r. .• , fo tOly 4 ,irg e c e ; oP te iF , P i • 4, , •i z I , 41 i ` tell '''',. it -n. --• , , I. ''li ' -'• 12,011 i i rtilail /n , ` 1.,,' rOnsi(!ere'd ‘l,,''lttln 2- - , 9" 4 e "nrttlec'eSsary, if the ilia tr'ro ' l en' 'ha , • il• a „ tt r , ' l• • . tf.,„ll',..,al),,p,,,,,e(rtntarlietithkt the flight.lrlof)...Gen ."' 1 1 '‘' 'Live ot ten the substance ,Ile i' e lad sr . .. for, ', •. . • . : P , er (1 41 : S'e 4 . - 1. • t:lte(-11e1 Was''the Hods(' in toe course ( 1144 s 'ittl • t h., 4-- " 1 tipon th is subject% He.- had N'ttf. ,'"salbortlin ' in Ireland a - general I fte• t nat r , -- ''' i t"n, but that there ti•ere '' . t.,', - t ho c ,„""trY, the condition of which did 4 21;: i 9li tte t r t i1 , 1 , 4 ' s i l ton of a measure of this kind. ( P) l '. ' ;` 4 teen i tj e •Righl Hon Gentleman I.,at ,tti.4,l, lotlitntlated with t'e representations .1;',111)setill:) recollecting the:outrages.. of 1798, it eti e P e rhans to exagcrerate-the dany,er, ,),11.. oara,re 1 ' .. '4 ''s,liiii u nneeessal.y alarm 3. He had 4 4 , . how v') evitl e eer, at that time, • upon' do-' ;ii tif . ' th e qt.4cehelire the-I:louse, upon the Ad :lttliille 'Al a a . fl 'i Jury of the kin : ....'s Conot y: and , t tlie re • .gl'trates of IVestuieath, boi b call :lig l'e ar ttil o p'' . . "ii tt before pernion of the I n.nirr)-etioo Act. 'ltl i ,,T. th e G -', the saine t*cContnit ii. at;(111 tvas 4 11 . b 1.4 ' JIII . V of die County of West. l 'tti• Iv ls ho t • , • . It IV, • , ormits t h at it) twat _county a . t(I i SII1(,, . • '1 (11 1 . 4 0, a , , PleVa,llCil, cornbiti,,noits were I t t4 t ibt rt , . I '' oaths taken for planting the Ai Ni s ) ' 171 lq:land, the abolition 01 tithes, 4 t' i 1111 eilt • A 11 1 1 40.1. -" 1 1 1111e4., and other projects of . p la , .. rm.. . 411, 1%, i Nt) 1 . Y 4lld delusion, A statement had 'lt , l (Siri; lm , l 'itilds by the Mein her for Queen's '' , ' ;''. l i t ,''le;: ! ..; ll :. ft ''''' ,l ) in which it was. allirine.ll ,itf. uad 'lntoll of th e condition' of that : 4 , t i t, f!ot b en ' • H E . 1 also , p t , ‘, ti,,, -- n exNggerated. c ta‘ :, 11 4,1 1 ' e ttati t „"se of an -atrocious murder, fur .„.'th.,, .'-' of which a combination had been i l t , i t t , . of ill l 'lrip . ` . e(lerl but too well.in the execti : 9 0 - t t4, ) , 'viek,,, i . 4f, •t, -. puro nse. Si x ..ol i hese per ; ,ithi.lir.?Niett('ri;iihiexecti.terd. He called upon the i :i ii , t ' .. l l stat,.!lGentlernan, therefore, to l sa ( y ); t A ti Ol).fl i, _:: l " ept had been exaggerat l e . self ; 1 0 - t , l 'O ltli., ' t Itotioura hie Gentleman um tit 'l,i t ,,, i - troade-this assertion. Another do ' e l k:, l4l, ti, , 1 , 1 ", 1 '"(1 since received, was - a copy 4 a iti„ r tity,,;: ii i the Magistrates signed Llaudatf, t , 14 14,,„ tile tact (,lethird, praying fur the en force tfileelt "111 11 ,,.; in.enusequence of the numerous i l liketl oi ,.` ed in that district. It was to be l l 'tel„ .t . e rt s ,,, 4 , t ti 'ere was here - - no possible motive 4 - ' ) le r ., ' - 't na tii ., •`. , • descr i pt ion ; - ti ll , Y vi c , w I, ' Ili tills , 1 r it a tr.l-, ' the operation of the Act Inns.. lj wi li ttin i , P4ll the INlagistrates some expense. t. l ,''ktt )ti , ll th t , I l i (ot this subject had last Session : ), el f % 11, 41)1truhation of most of the Irish 3, I, ‘V. ) • 't• f . 41 ( .1 • "gilt Honourable Gentle maw. .4 1 ',t1,1 ~V Prov e 1 c 1 ti t q,l kl it , II co f t h e measure founded up ' 1 4 111.4 t lit Yon Dublin (Mr. Grattan) ' t ,, 4 t tit iti , I. moderate, and -1.1.,,.,„ e il l ii (1 di enivnt was . p. lyI. ( 1 11 'f Of ti 41 1tl salutary. Wit h ret pee- to I (o4.; 4 "Yittl i : e . (3 °vernment of ISOG to exceed Itiiii r ,. t l e 1,,,r! lll'Chtratiob of the law, lie believed, li ‘ t i) fli e ,. l ' i t,; t1 i ) ,,," 1 i so intormed, that directions , ON l ,,'"f ' tiisarrection Act -were found in ,11.tystZette,111,11.i-ott by Sir Arthur - W . ellesl ,z e e y - , " 1te,,,, rotten Ott in the situation 'of Oiler , . ' .- (.41 '(... 144 1).1, 4 . This' res , )lskt ion, he believed, \ 111 " 1 1 . 1 11, ,, 1 : 1 '-" , "•:: I .'i'i Ylaies . ty'S then 47)1inist - ers, 14V i '(\' ' til t - 1 f •.. . of .1 ii.i..l) , lion. 'ie 1 1 I•' It V ' e c ' I ari s",' r '-- F -ench o t . lei 1 1 , .1 N a dild r Ilan), that there W4S a t . ~ .,:.11, , ,, .) trial , lie agreed with the Right Hot). Itti kt tli, r i l !Y., tf ia tn etse could be no greater abuse t ..1 ) ,,, 4 %f it s ii l o ' I tot - any Government to attempt l it fil l'ill! 'le ril i t i ielee ,and patronage . by the e .. xe- ;, , , (1 (11,1, 11 igiv, (- , s of this. description ; HIM he - olva o e 1104)4 to thesyverest punishment, 1,,1Yr, lira ri had : l ith Il i - jll e , tat - he ill any instaiace . , Il t! ) , ll e,l4iti, t re local in terests'or reprentations.: i t IliirAtio '4lolut had rtzirctell 'many applica ,iltril:(et se. t t is t s. „ l . l r :riiell . nia;e, : because-he tho r n,g . lit -, k lok. itst imi , L" sufficient grounds for !,oilig . .vr,, ) ii t . it,: PNvticr of the Constitution. On 1 1 1 t o . 4.- k - i lvirich- e - xt . eaortlitniry powers• were ilt,i4,,:,.eN4,d.lg's'COtincil...VCas sent down from I k. ' , i of q if l ie the 'trite eircunist ances of the t al t vow+ • }:t li t ,. via l i n ... -he permitted, lie was de kcil''lt,:Yin ,*(g fur a moment to what hail I' Al ( L° o4 l(4l ter ilause.—(ll-ere Mr. Hors. 1 1.1,lie l jitth er e r, am! the Speaker informed the i teli,,ttii,,,' t hat it Was irvgular to notice 6‘.'al "ite„,' , , 8111 Pending ' ` - • House , Pro .) ti in the oche' . $ 1 fr t i t. 6 . -- , [ta r , (l a el had only to -aver, then; that V ito _ ob ;(.r. iise, which, he hoped, would -1,11.)(,,,r proJt„..rtou %%slet) ii ad been made to V.lir'etl I. dis,'n, imposing a fine upon the )c4 1 ,..5 r1N "'ICI . ; Y i lk: ( :: ‘l, , t ,, n ' t s aid a fen' words in explanation. 1,, t il i 'llt‘l -11.1 ' ''`li(l he had always f»osed the j( t 1 4 l 't)e "s(ilrecti !, i) 'trti,(4lstitti-i on Act, because he thong it 1 N I : t , •lii h,. '- "nal meas . -tire, and one that ( 1,, Pt, ,% of ti cou ntenanced: in that House, O' li ' s . 'e ino st „ . tt t4v o w , k tgent and evident neces- N.:V e , t 'se t. t . i . nowledge, the powers (he I t 'll, 'l 4 ti Y eXtrarndinary powers) given ti lift t t , l 1i pe,.,'.ee'rAt,L.ligistrares, had in many in (ll'itri 4p .dl:iv ine ..,'" to gratify personal. resent - f ti l'. , tsn i , , ~".lews, merely from a-rancorous: i tti. • (i '"' 'tom a difference of religious \),,te ,) 'ti tti,.. _ t A tl,, Ppositi:t account he should give , t et„ t ( E ß , 54 . 1 `; 1 " to the present Bill. t, t ,:lll,, p geti i iiti . , _ , , he had- originally thought ti, 4 i i , , '. (.i etiti '‘lttced into the [louse by the t- 1 l 't ' `ittil . lar i , was a most unconstitu- : 4 1l t t :t t i l ite (4 the or' • ' I, ,y 1 ti fol ,, , iiiriple of it, he-stilt en +f Q t. , 0 ' • i 4,,, t. 1.4, 1 , :ii.,1. , u: 1 11141 °0 ; but front what he i ,11,' i„ t s It i,i ° particularly from what had : I l it l 'lt. lll 'ett i" it liou. Friend Ispoke w to last, I N ‘c t i r rtry tf so believe it had been attended t , tp '''t ry t ' ect s • r\\ t it .t I W, I " 6 lid , ' a " d it gave him the highest N, l teq lti ot Y iths t „ i that the Irish Government t; i 4 tr llit t jPo wer n e ( l front acting on the very ' h t t" ' "... s wi th which the Act lad in-- 1 ,,,f) , ,',t1; i t l ill'e ' ::„ ' „ th iS - account he did not feel t., tt, g , il "111. ' °l)Position to theprogress of o. l 4,! t ti i , ' % g„114,,' f, ) , ' 4 NT sr ,, • , v`tin t ' Orj„.• s -I( ' a few words resnecting icli t , tv„ , 1:1 1 11iill y () )0 .. , . 0 f , _, , I ' d to: ~,. 1 1 , 1., ,J i uy 0.,_ 4.) 1 1 .5114,, i t, IN n ICII il, 11 1 t1.. 11 1 11 4 1 , U e fori'; perat ion of the Act, and ''t4,,‘l'i tt v ino, ~I ear'lnee of the Irish Govern tt(l), O r. i e . i .,, 0. , tar ed to y tt was argreed to, and oe read a third time to 'il tt ti ' /I kNi i "AlNt - t e t th t l. l 1 e 'rEP n 1 Cif, el) -Ol t of ,' -F SUPPLY. i)lttitti,4llipill':?)ll(il. ti i t t! l t _ h f ! • E xCUEClLTEn. movec , lthe tt ti, ti lit,, J o ) wi lici itouse goik,g into a Coin 'lt th e 3e ing read, be moved that 4; t 4 t , tt.l,l,l'nfts b e C ""ots,siotters rt lative to w‘l'le,tietl. referred to the said Com ! et tz..4 e) i , that 4 ..,. the Q • 0 ti 10,.: PE.AKER leave the Chair, : "htlt it necessary to call thehatten'tinn of the HOusc . to the ialtject• of the- T.'rooertv Tax, and to entleavBtir to learn !'rom the Gentheilan, wlwt!ier it was the in tf4ntion j=ay's Ministers to propose the continuance of that oppreiesiae tax. It seeined.to him 'there was too much reasolato fear such was their.'intentione for th e re had lately appeared a most curions'ael of t',e CosmilissiOners of that tax,' whn, as if cooacious they should he able to prevail on Parliament to continue that Act, had issued nu ,tiCe% of tin assessmoot, which was to lake plaee up to a certain day in the year 1816. This tens ?tom e what remarkable, when it was well known that the ex isting act was to cease on the sth of April, 1815. lie wished also to submit to the consideration of the House, how cautious they ought to be of vot ing., any inure Sapplies while his Majesty's Mini-. ster on the Comiiieitt was forming etegagetnents with foreign Powers, which he did not cominuni care to the Right Honourable the Chancelior of the Exchequer; which engagements appeared to be in eoutradiction to each 'Other, and which she w ed how wrong it was in that House to grant Sup plies without having full information as to the manner inwhich such Supplies were to be applied, In consequence of our treaty with Sicily money had been voted to carryon a war against Joachim Murat, King of Naples ; and by a Treaty which Austria had epterediato, with the King of Naples, and which Lord Castlereash had agreed to confirm on the part of 'this Government, another part of the supply wits to be employed to enable King Jo'it chim to carry on the war against the King of Si cily, our august and l ong - stan di ng a ll y. In the Couferences at Chatillon the 'Minister of Napo leon' proposed 'certain regulations respecting difa ferent towns .and cities in Italy ; but it was air- nounced by the Pleuipotentiaries of Austria, Egg- . land, Russia, and Prussia, that Ft4ince had no right to interfere as to any part of the It aLan States.. Lord Win. Bentinek entered into several stipulations with the King of Naples and the Ge noese, which Lord Castlereagh had counteracted ; and by a letter which Mr. W. read extracts from, Lord Castlereagh hods fault with What had been done .by Lord William lientinek, as contrary to the opinion of the British Government on the Continent, and desires him to communi cate this opinion to the English Government in London. All that had been ,done by Lord William Bentinck was for the purpose of secur ing the co-operation of King Joachim Murat, Who at that time I.iad a powerful army, and many important places-- in his possession ;;,but they soon shelved they had aim the most cordial- liking for , their new ally, of whom they became jealous, and to Whom they thought too much had been con ceded. • If there can be'a period more desirable than another, this, said he, is the moment for the le-establishment of the independettee of POlaad. All the Powers in Europe are interested in the event ; but if the accounts "from Vienna were trite, the Emperor Alexander was the only pet son who . stood forward to support the independence of land, and our Minister there Was the only Berson who threw -in objections, and endeavoured to thwart him in his designs. If Ministers knew these things, he should deem them highly culpa bfe, and would arraiga their conduct at the Bar of. that House, for having-concealed from them matters so important, while. they werertskiog for such extraordinary and continued supplies. The Cuatacto-eott of the Exca FALTER Said, that with iespect tb any measures that were passing in the Congress at Vienna, if 'he even knew what they were, and•the Homoirable Gentleman should put questions to him about them a third, fourth, or even a tenth time, he should feel it his duty not to answer one of them. With respect to Naples and Sicily, the two Treaties were very pecan-, t.:liable. We paid a'subsidY to Sicily to defend' that island against any attempt of the King of • Naples. We had guaranteed the kiagdom of Na pies to King Mar at, and were to pay him, not to make war on Sicily, but for a certain co-operation with our forces, ata time when his services were of the highest importance to the Allied Powers. ' Austria had made the Treaty, and otir Minister had guaranteed it. The cases of the late. Treaties be tween Spain and Napoleon, and between Austtia and Fiance against Russia, were in.a similar predica ment. Spain was ~at Teacc with us, and by her treaty with France, was to furnish a certain man-, her of turn ; she did furnish that number, but was ' told that it site furnisaed a single soldier beyond it, such addition would be deemed a_deciaration of war against us ; but as she furnished no niore_ than the number stipulated, she still cautioned at peace with us," though we were at war with France: It was exactly the same between Austria and Napoleon. The Eonp:u-or Francis furnished the number stipulated by th.e treaty, which Na poleon led on against Russia; but Austria , and Russia still remained at peace with each other.— The Honourable Gentleman had called the atten tion of the House to the intended adjournment, and had intimated a supposition that it would be a protracted one. He could assure the. House it would not be extender} beyond the period which wou ld give sufficient time for the fair and full clis cussion of all those important subjects Which' were likely to be submitted to its considerariOn, o f w hi c h the propriety and expediency of the coil tiouation of the Property-Tax would most likely make one. With respect to what the Iloa. Gen tleman had said as to the assessment which was to take place in 1816, if lie had consulted the Act, lie would have found that the assessments were directed to he made trout two years to two years, and that whi,l) it eat into 1815 was made long before it could be known the Act would cease on the sth of April a xt. Mr. PoNsoNav did not conceive that either of the cases quoted by the Right lion, Gentleman (the Chancellor of the Excheqaer) had any ahni litude to the presont case. In th e present case , there was 4 treaty between Austria and Naples, to which England had agreed, expressly guaran teeing the throne of Naples to Murat. :litter: that treaty, the King of Sicily had issued a proclama, tint), stating that he would car:y on the war, tint for such objects as were the custormary causes of War among Sovereigns, but for tile express pur pose of conquering - the kiogdom of 'Naples. -Vt!`e were now called. upon to give a subsidy to the King of Sicily, for the express pnrpose of assist ing, him to dethrone that very Sovereign whose do minions,we,had guaranteed. 1 t was a true, that we t only gave half the fuatuaa aubshly, and were tlit44 nutting the Klng of Sicily noon half-pay ; but still this 'subsidy was to he 'employed, not .only agai:Y,t an ally, but against ourselves, Os guarantees of the Treaty. - could not see auy pretence.. for this subsidy. If it w ere to he applied to carryon war %Orb Naples, it xi - mild he contrary to olly engagements with Mut at : and if it was stated to b e fo r procuring indemnities, we were powerful enough to procure those for hint without giving the suasidy. The Right Hon Gentleman promised; that. \Own - Ministers should come to explain their conduct, they would produce a triumphant justification. lie hoped most sincerely that they would, not out of ;Inv particular affection he ho.re to those Minis;- ters, but because he considered the cause kit' Eng land to he :he Cause of justice ! 7 . ight 7 —(Hcar hear). Ile hoped that the settlement of af fairs at the Congress would rather be after the the old notions of right and justice, that; after the new French system, by which all the States in Eit.- rope had been torn to pieces, plundered and op pressed. If Ministers should he able to shew, that the cause of justice and of right had suc ceeded in the Negoeiations, - then, indeed, they would produce a tritimphant justification ; if the contrary should have taken place, then, instead, of triumphant jit.tification; they must encounter an infamous condemitation. Mr. IlAtatuasT said, that when the proper time for explanation should come, he had no doubt but at would appear that the •Government of England had never ceased to advocate the cause of justice and of right. , It must, however, be obvious to the House, that this was <r subject which must be examined upon the %elude, and not taken to pieces night after night, wit enever any Gent len2an thought proper to put questions to his Majesty's Ministers. The House would be awareof the situation in which the conntry Was placed at the present mo ment; and wilco the selection of the Noble Lord (Lord Castlcreagh)' had been so notch approved of by the Han. Gentlenran (Mr: Whitbread), he did not see how it waS to be reconciled to fairness and candour, to di!-;approve of the whole of his condnet on such' imperfect information. The day won LI come when Ministers man - be responsible forthe. conduct of the negoeiation. As to Sicily, the. Right Hon. Gentlenian, (Mr. Ponsonby) said, the - King of Sicily was at war for the purpose of Conquering Naples , . It might as well be said, that the . King of Naples . was at war for the purpose of conquer,ng Sicily.' The fact was that Sicily was now at war with Naples, and we wer e bound by our former Treaty to give her a subsidy. Mr. PONSON.B.Y. and Mr. BAT”URST. explained. Mr. lailliTON l'egrtiteo ;Midi that the principles which the coalesced Sovereigns professed so loudly in the beginning of the year, had been so greatly departed from. Instead of the moderation and justice which we ,w ere led to expect, he saw no thing, but acts of rapiae and spoliation. Mr. HAMMERSLEY th.tmght there was matter: enough before thellotte to arraign the ponduct of . Ministers. Mr. HORNER coincided with the observation of the Honourable Gentlenent who bad last spoken ; and thought that whoever considered the present state - of Our foreign relationS, and the length of time that such negociationsThiiially . toOr up, would not be disposed to think that it was fit that Parliament should remain without informa `lion till those negociation• were concluded. As to the Treaty which -was made between Austria and the King of N.iple - s. Lord Castlereagh refused to accede to it, nntii there was au alteration made in it, which guaranteed to .the-King-of Sicily. an, indemnity for the. loss of. Naples. Lord Castle reagh had afterwards expressed his approbation of the Treaty to the Neapolitan 'Minister at'., - Chatilion, mid, had given directions to Lord William Ilentinek' to give a more formal as sent, in-:'writing,. His Lordship afterwards ex- Tressed his. astonishment ...hen he hard of the proclamation of the King of Sicily ; and declared, that if that sovereign would not be content with , the indemnities offered him, he, should be left. to . hi,s own Uleall3, tttprOSCCille Ilk Clair!) to the throne of Naples. The junction of the King of Naples was at that time of the utmost importance to the common cause, - and the. word, -of,- the British. Minister was the. principal security obtained by the King of. Naples. So highly were the honour and good 'faith of this country respected abroad, that it was well -known that. the Queen of, Naples :(a sister, of Buooaparte), declared that she would rather trust to tie faith of an English'Ge neral, than to a Treaty regularly signed and sealed with any other power. IVoirld it not, then, he consid ere d a violation of Itational honour and faith to scud money to a .state that was at war with Naples, for the purpose of enabling her to carry on that our ? Mr. \V. I'ot.E said, Tie perked? concurred in the Opinion of the Right Hon. ;Gentleman (Mr. Ponsonhy) that the cause of honour and justice formed the true interest of England ; and he flat tered himself- ii i t, whenever the - Proper opportu nity arrived for the House to be put in posses sion of, and to exluni.ne into the whole conduct o f his Majesty's Ministers in these negotiations, it li/unid he found that they had hi every instance advocated the cause of truth and justice ; that whenever they had the power they had succeeded in. maintaining. that, (Wise, and that whenever they had tailed, it was not for want of the exertions of our l'il e kOciatots abroad, or of proper instructions from the Government .at _home,- When this, sub-. jeer was undei discussion ; on a former night, he had stated his SefltlilltnltS to the House,and.not withanding all he had heard to-night, he was not in the least shaken in the opinion which he bad before expressed, viz. that the Ministers of this countly would he knitty_of a gross dereliction of - their duty if they were, in answer to the re iterAted questions of the .Gentletnen on the other side, to give to the House ,and. to the Country imperfect information,, and they could give no other. If, because Gentlemen tried to•throw upon them fin- not answering questions, which ought not, undo - , the,, present , circum stances, to be- answered, or for not explaining that which might not to be explained, they were induced to depart from that line ol'.conduct which their duty presented to them, they would sheviv th6nsclves to be-unfit for thesituations:therheld, and univOrthy of the confidence of the country. The Hou. Cientleman . who spoke first, had, in his treated the Noble Lord ;vho was Bow 'absent rather hardly.: he had distinctly approved of his appointment, both on a ftonoer a.. + - he present occasion, to:negociate for the h ii erk ,ts of this coontry abroad, .ind had exoressed an opi nion, in whichlhe whole House concurred, :hat a more proper person, could not le,ve been s .ieeted. But scarcely had the 1-12 a. Gentleman hi s panegyric upon the N. 7 :Jurd, before t,e went into Oil attack upon the whole of the proceedings in which he was engaged, .will hail called upon Ministers to give an explanation upon almost every point 11011' in neg - ociati: m npon subjects now in progress, not one of o hid) was finally closed. :The Hon. Gentleman had thought I,roi •1* to state, w h a t he was pleased to call the oeioion or the ;Emperor Alexander(upon what authority be knew not), respectiog the independence of an d :had added, that the Noble Lord (Ca,tlereagh) had ,opposed those opinions. - It was impo ss ibl e to . use stronger language than that whoo, that . Hon. Gentleman had applied to this supposed con duct of the Noble Lord. \Vas it fairovas it just —was it candid, wit how a single document betore the House, _without even the knowledge that the Congress had met, thus to arrai g n rite wholv con duct of that Loble .Lord, upon a subject about which he kvould venture to say. that Hon. Gentle man did pot-know a single, tittle. It was ia;pos sible conceive any thing more unfair titan dins to throw out censures, when there. was no infor mation before the House, and when the lion. Gentleman knew that Ministers were pi ecluded by . their duty from giving an answer. If he wanted any additional reason to confirm his opinion of the propriety of the conduct of Ministers in refusin g to answer these questions, the Gentlemen on the other side had furnished hint with it. lii what a situation would the country be, if ",.\iiiiisteis were bound to answer, pending the negotiation, ques lions which only tended to inflame. and mislead the public mind. That was not, lie dared say, the intention of those Gentlemen, but that must be the inevitable _result. The,Hon. Gentleinan had-attacked the Noble Lord upon the subject of Saxony, taking it for granted that the whole, af- , fair respecting that country %vas settled ; founding._ his knowledge, upon what he had seen iu paniph- • lets and newspapers, without a single document, before him or the Ationse„ ,and,knowing th a t Mi nisters conldno t now ,produce any, or reason up- - on e tneeVenh:int at, any of Which they irag!it . he in - possession. Gentlemen were very anxious to obtain information respecting Sicily. Upon the subject . of a subsidy ; , the Utilise undoubtedly had a right to demand information ; but the principle upon 'which that subsidy was geanted had been fully and-,distinctly explained ; and be, mnst ,ay, with all deference w the Learned,Gentieinap Horner), for -whose talents he. entertained highest respect, that his speech. furnished the strongest reasons for not giving any fur ther explanation respecting Sicily and Naples , the %arrangements were _settled -- e tlye, and until the Noble Lord" Wits present to explain the whole - transaction; : That Learned Gentleman had taken rather-a diffeient ‘iew of the subject from some of.his fi'ieinis ;, for the ten 7, dency of his ,speech was to stieW flow high t..e character of the British Negociator stood npon • the Continent. It was reported that there were agents from the reigning, Icing of Naples at pre,. sent in this country, whether any of 'the iliftd.ifia tiOn upon which these questimi'S* Were foimded was derived from them, he did not know : it was sutheient for him that,theLearried Geutleman ap proved of the conduct of the Noble Lord as far as 'if liad gone in that transaction ; end tl.e be! nitist admit that i,t was not yet coucluded. The Learned Gentleman had stated, that a treaty had been concluded between Austria and Naples, and that we had given our sanction to it; •and the, Learned - Gentlenieil approved of that measure : hod was there any thing in that conduct, snpnos- theLeartied Gentleman's srateineut were cor rect,. inconsistent with our- keeping our Milli to, au old Ally ; and if the could nut restote hint to, his former dominions in Naples, at least to obtain hits an illdemnir.y, and to secure him in Sicily ? That a proper opportunity would arrive, and ar rive soon, whet, all thesv points might he fully . explained and investigated, he assured tint Gentle,- Inca On the other side, he was quite as anxious, as they could possibly be ; .but, until that. time arrived,- he WilS conviuced that _Ministers ‘could betray their duty if they departed Irani the, line of conduct they had adopted. Those Gentle-, men had at present a great advantage over Miiii,- sters ; they might come down to that House and propose questions derived from the agents of .the. reigning King of Naples, or from pampme s, or from newspapers, or from anyother sou CC f ma r which they could collect it. 1 hey had no res,;oo-, sibiiity, no duties attached to thew', (except as; Members of Parliament, which Ile was _VViilng to, allow they ably and honestly performed) ; but np ; duties which prevented them front makilig any', ; disclosure which _would enable them to successful hit at their opponents, when they knew: their opponents could not in duty answer theme He should not now trouble the House any long - ere, he trusted he had wished the Gentlemen oppo- t site to him, (Sir ohn NeWport and other Gentle", men called out Hear, Hear !) he was sure he had satisfied 'the Right Honourable Baronet, that, nothing conic! be more injurious to the interests. of the Country than to g •the information re-. (Hired, while the Negotiation was actually. pending. . _ Mr.: NN4IIITI3-READ, in explanation, said that he knew nothing of any foreign agents ; this he knew; that Lord •IVrtf. Bentnick was the accre dited agtnt of this Country at the Court of Murata Str Jour NEwroa'r congratulated the itig4 Hon. Gentleman over the wa y, w h o , a ft e r having gone through the r ou ti ne of office, • t,. ci at lengt4 arr i ve d at the dignity of controuling, tt czabint:i. it was with hint now as formerly wheu-Ae,was Secretary to th e L or d Liciutenanctif Ego et . Rex niev.s was still his style of ove..be;;r!bg, and exaggerated consequence. The Lintise then went in!o the C..stninittee tit Supply. On the motion, t1;- , t 15,r,i00/. be grin - 44 for the Suffering Clergy and Emigrants of li'i , ance . .; -St. Domingo, Stc : Mr. WinTaa:,EAD and' Mr. PONSOATBY exprtweti their surprise, that,. after the resto;:ation ancient GovernmC4 of France, thelions'e should still be calied•upou for this vote. 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