The Sun. — London, England, 1804-03-23 00:00:00

b Army;- b trk e tv u l terms : y another ut an Arttib,d te am s what t h e E nemy e - Oiild never meet upon qti., NOr wa s t h ere any o bjeflion t o . "'Attnell Peasantry, unless it '.was' to' be tryt) .. 0 , ,, 5 i e .1 4 -that tit) body of men could be fit for"fight l ing i% ). n . I vas:mot.dressed in red 'coats, and who ►ta . i ttfi,i . . e .- i _ • taught the- Prussian exercise. • Having recap' i.. . 1, his objedions .to the Volunteer System, ar'd 111 _ 4 1 .ieasons for preferring an Armed Peasantry, he took a' view .of! another point, which, although ~ 71 ti cs . .;irnmediately conneaed as some others were : wit t ,; • Bill. now before the:House, ‘yet had ••a bearing• uppo , -it, Ile7 nt 'the idea.that had been thrown cut n . t destroying our horses and other cattle, as - well efil proiisions, when the Enemy might 0 - aft a landing ;f beside s t h e b ar b arous inhumanity (4 that idea; he-ail- I t iprehend e d the pradice of it would be . more injurious tcrourselve s than any evils which our Enemies inight, in th e event o f l anding, .be able to'accomplisn.. QNo one rising, and there being a.-loud' cry . of uestion! Qnestion !--7-the.: SPEAKER * was' ahnut to .put the question, when lidi. Yr I ND LI A M . rose ; notwithstanding lie said, the .silerice:ObServed. on the other side, which 'Might arise from their W thinki ng t b e,o hservatjons. Of his 'H on . Friend not• worth anser:ing,... li . ..ut - many' might suppose from t hi s c i rc othstanee -were' unanswerable, he mtrif trouble the. House -again upon: the subVt(l. He did not ivOnder. they 'wish e d to get rid of the Lusineslafte . r it'i•had,been so -ilften discu;'sed,, hut . lie - . wished to. .tz!ke his uppi}rtuity o r f entering pro te.f.t a g ainst 7 -t t he meastife now 'hefOre - rue , clause.' which he 'con sidered to ipad t o _little SitUt%„of absoft i re r-iiiii t had * beei:i said that.' theit.' iritjSt:',lo:Wi_fle: - VO.. lunteeis as they .weTe, or hll4.niivw6::at .all ; but. iflllis Bill w - i r eje tte d;', ihe„...VolUicieelt:S.-...N.Vi3u,8-not be itnnihilated, and-noronly thitt,-.1.3.n t '. if' tlity .Were to take 'away the exe.mPtinns :I.lrogether, slill the Volunteers .would riot he he d est royeif,' thetitli t h e i r 'tiumber's rt;iitilir be diminished. -.The questio n wa s , ..wht,the r the impcovernent , which it was alledged this 'Bill was to make t,v.as worth the Tric e which they were to pay for it ? .By means of the pres.en t sys .lein, .the. real force of tii.:.Country waS•hecoming less and , less, until it would. entizely.extieguidi eti.; .and could they be this improvement at-the 'Vice of neatly the,,yl9le force of ',the Country? elsolving this stibjed into genet al .principles, fit - st was, that the attack. with which I,hey . were • the ilileatened was deerried to .he so, near,- tivat. , they zwast consider it as.. ePrtain; ' arid the ' - newt;. tiiat the force -ag4inst which they-would h - av e to-eon tet-td was so grear,.. that nothing,. ought: 4`o *be omitted to enabl e ' themi to ineet-the datiger--:- Whilst, .Ilowevviri--.1\..;!..nrs --admitted a prer.ent 1 ttnig...ee, they•seenied. t o a:.t as if'. It livere:oiiVy a ttr:ly .. danger, and, tiitts'.iiii i....ineniate dinle r wag mot by a prop.o:;itidn,,ttir the-t• ~,id.--il and Fr ~,,l'esi.:. iivve improvement.of..the Vniunteets. .j . ‘,. , , 'lca lecund point.4,f...ita.akiagiprolision against • t:te,&air.--r, -there-w a 5.419 TA it-,B`6lfit itll.t 41i)611411,01U $44 Ml.' la tix:t.e a iresenc:i canger,w,hich vvl s t o _.ter' roinate.icnmediatt...; l y , and one whiCh was, only: the colnii,entimeht of a, yet iud woich,:as it has been. truly idle, the. Nokingeit xil l t 4. n u ! n the House' might not liveito ;ee. tl; end. of ,a • tiot itifficie:4 nix, say: alai ihey • lad ' pro.: l'ided 4Zainstthe danger of : te.4day, but . they must tike tha,t. of ,to-morrow; : and of .every succeeding ca , Y. 'clic -queStion was, how the -Measures which had been applied would -opeate vcith tespe.a to our ftiture sccuriq ?''rtta'd`tile'ii,`co'nfegsed, on th e other sitile,thar the •Syk.(rn W'as `tad lila' still it was. ".,., , artued' that We rio=t t . go on -wi.th.... it ; but.,they.. tie re . td consider , what Was: the' clanger the. rim Win- by ('O,-,iinning the present Syste,vo an d. what vv:a s ih4 dange:r• of li_change. Some Gentlemen s'tstmed•to imagine. -that tiTedailaer of a chan ge was btnim'-cli greJte r iii:in continuing •thk,:piesent isy,stetn.;. clic. ) , %. , •ere to consider that-it into a iiii h msiti on, x Wl.i.ers'ii . ei ti l ew he 111113 t ,be aacisct:d,: an,-Nt.tacked.'at a (14ailv'aiir.;ge,, he woul . ci e . ven `alter. to=rt posiiio n in the fiCce tit an Enerny.; So in the ease of a 'Vessel at ;,ea, the.re'M: f il i t b e g.retat danger, in tackikg, but if they,";e4re'• tnrinin.g i i l'(,)n a kee 8116 re, it .ITIUSt be doh e at all-events. "I'llUs.:wtien Centletnen talk e d of tilt! ding of a chaiige, non ".wat, tha t it ought no t to, be made, because their 3lttlatiniCoulti noE.,he m,ad.e.i._. wors . e l and- might . ' be, bettered; .;Ile ~(,„ u w e ver Ti& d,,nie ‘ l , i . nlai , :e .the suppositi...n, which . 1 that the rPleetion of the Bill . wtould Cause rile dissolution of -11 Volunteersid .what then'? foi l , 11,, id , 1 „!.. ei ..t at rec. 1 heuslind Men would tstill. remainon the sPnt,' they world 'still he found their • homes ;.. their heart s ,- their zeal, and' would still -bp embarked in the their. patriotiSm, tame caus . e.; new lccintilnations migh t be made of . I hem, and if 416 t, the salti'e h;idies, might he em. • ioroycd..4l ,a. better; vc:ay. When they Idokid t o • itlie. plincipf ClatiseCof the. Bill, they, 'Wetild find totidtgt-eiter reiiibil tai Pelidve that they would lad. • To'the (lilt:solution, •••,- - it! le'!i't tn tl.e di ini Mit fi n cf . the VokilYtterV, W: 7 ,, ,- ; t • ' (111' 1;: X' tly" • . 1' t. Iter:Ve<4l/1(i--opet a!' Oil)' WTI!. tiSt, , C(t . to ! ,•;i!.. Volo' stOOd (iii tel. l / 4 1 'of thew, ►hu/7'...iiriii;er's u:(4;:,1 . ,.. .. n tl gtottila, -bring already e>:- itilsted., have '14::: - :: , ,ti..,... I(4tireurainirtg in their rO petti we Co' ; stil, -(- 4 % tVeli the sanit ntlinlir A rtten-wellaht wi'tnd a..rt.l-.:. ftrni the other force of the Country.. . He cujecied ~lb-e volunteer Sytlem altagelli - 6:, 'fi -- • being false and erroneou'i, aud pair-ti.cuf4-rty as - leading-.to' the vrty atisurd iysient'of theit'employmenf, 12Y.V1i6 it a -, ieared the were to be made regular Soldiers, ant e t as such against ancEnemy. But. to thwk of . tajeies. this •descrilation of men,froin their fainilies; , ho could 'not be made regular Soldiers, ate' tradink. the , s. an arms, againt t an EnernV, Vil(').M'lie to tNietYigairr the tragedy of ,Wittiam the Conqueror arid, 1-larold,: and to deliver. up. the. COuntqr... to our Enecy.., .The true ssterti:tvas that of an :Aimed' .Peas-init'iy;" and thciiigh.. it had been obj.e.Ele4l6- th'e statement of. his Hon.-14-i-ed,- that in- La---Venti ee the Alined Peasantryoduld'ricit preVent their Coun try in being.ravzged,. Yet 'deal' appeared, the only pra6tical mr..,4,,... Th e f warf are for an':.-ieregniar force.-:.- French Royalists after that unforionat'e .an . d. melancholy march te) Granville, ' where they hoped to receive SticCours,,frem.England, met the'FrErich Army,. and' were defeated; but they afterwards maintained' a eont • inual Strtiggle against the French- Troops,' and were not awed.by France until she had conquered,all.Eirope. _lf. as it was evid e n t t h ey co,Pfd.44oc-e-inploy the as as regular Sold - ifi.s . , 14.1137 net:emplo tile r y . them in a diff erent manner where. might 'bt-,tis-efUl ? Some Gentfemen had-argued. -•- • in favour of the A r ciltititeii sjriTelii; from the e , k• }mince. of ... what 'die; Volinteers Zd efrc' (led in F-i.iirice7 ";‘ l ;utl'ereill - (. - .,x . talked itlintit'6,ook, anti ap.: , peret4rtslo.*Ad. by a mere name, GI- there Was nn par.-lied . , bstwtoi the Volunteers of France and those of this Coun•trY. The .National Guards in France were iri faet egt!liVaieni: V 'ourlrnlenteers, -and rlt tVere emplOyed in ridingtheduty of towns and of escort, but he bAli k evetf were never sent to , meet an enemy , . The Volu nteers o f F ra n ce.were vn [he cont?ary.merely VoluOteers in the first in.' stance,• - ai to Their enrolment, after this they were sent away a considerable'distance- from their hornes, placed under Martial - Law, acrd, except receiving! sdoubje Pay; and haviygg the power of eleeling their owp:OffiTs, were ,pliced on.. the same footing as . regular troops,; nor were they brought into, the ,field until after-eighteen months discipline. The present measure Ile considered as absurd ; a Voluo_ 'teer Force was created by present zeal, - and could last tics ithiger than the same impressinn continued; but when they connected Volunteers with penalties and bounties,- the whole syStern became absurd. In this instance - they said, no exemptions no V°. lunteere, .no Iv Swiss."' Bat when they 'Con_ .sidered the etf:ti Of ExemptiOns they would find that. they iad the very worst effed upon the force of the country ;.:he ,Army of Reserve stood still, .femained 14.,c00 short ,of its complement : and when,' as it was known, "fifty guineas - were given for a Substitute, - it was evident, as was , the fa6l, that Recruiting for the Army "could nor go On. The core"einCrce of the Exemptions also was, 'mot merely one man throwing The burden off his ishoulders f , but It fell - ,upon another who 'iva.S less -able' to bear it, and the whOle' Mi g ht f a ll u p on t h os e '.who- were most w6k r a : rid xlefeM:elesS, narnely, Mar. -tied journeymen, and laboutersWithsmall This was-ont all., the Volunteer System threw the -whole :RegUlar Army into the shade;- men would not enter in'to that • serViee,'where t6y.inust he tied • • fawn' foi:life for ten guineas, anti ferfait all provi. . lions for their faint ies, Wy, nen the might get fifty , guineas, a rrtiVision • their families,aed aservice for only; fiiie 'years; :by entering into the .Army of w Reserve. There as alSo'anfther danger, which was • 'of •eonSiderable imp;Aratlce, and Which must reces sarily crit of the pertmnence of, the system Which was attempted tinFestablislled., The 0- ku„iicP,cn i iticms ' r ersons:, united:by:a Sense of .- COl\ariu2n -; but 'those 15 - rint-iples-of which, they 'had alrea.ly had sufficient experience, Might again mite boo nlay, utcii the apprehension Of danger no longer t'xiste.l, - and then the 'mischief resulting frbtn the "s':, stein would be aotife•Elpparent. Alreadi the Voluntt:crs had ob. -tamed a triumph over the Ext'cutive government ; it was not the-infant fle - rcules str:atrzl‘j!‘g the full. trow ❑ Serpent, but the SerFent irioiv i otio , g 01* Pi!! i,:cUreari ation ; it ti as ' whether . ttang was good or right, but what the Volunteers would - think or say , ab,,ut lytinist:-.!;s,slemed to look: pay. to popular faynor, without considering 7 Whethcr • what roti they, bLht. forward v:as in itself, • • tight, or wrung.. Nay; one Gtrtle'inan, lie uiqierstpod 11ad. neer, threatt•red. , o th, .coulduot . in / surety en acc,lunt • expre,sions usett against :iiVolun;eer Corp , —H of" Order! ,t! at ;,r had heard 50111 e report of the kind, mtght 1 - eaj, - ,kc,but it. was ('a - -verydangerous jo ord ke ra n t ;inquire much taCe_ qiottsne4qrtrti the tminner'nf - the pa rsons'whn te red . : A hit - Me:hid been mentioned oriniprOvirt the - discipline of Volunteecentps, fig burrowing Officers froin the Line,-; - first*place . , the Regiilar -*Regiments-had no a: , sist,wee tif dais kind to spare ; • audio the next place; -wort-t orvitquences might be- produced by thus inikihg Regular Troops and Volunteer. The idea of sending Volurneers'to fight - troops, commanded by experienced Officers, .appeared to him dreadful, and this grew ;out ofihe present- Bill. It had been said,' why not propose-a better system,. api. , licable to present cit 'OM's-mikes'? but he was of opinion-that if the ex. • r emptions .were taken away, they would have Vo. lonteers enough. It 'the exemptions Were abolished, ittier would then have tie means of .recruiting the Regular Troops, andif that ,could not be' done, they might have recourse to 'cbuiUlsory .means, com. mutable by a fine. A Volunteer force ought to Tend, alone upon voluntary ezil ;, but to mix coM•• pulgiry regulations with such a force, was like mix. int silk and worsted, which must , destroy each other. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that considering Mow - often that subject had been discussed, within the last three weeks, he very Yeinetantly offered himself to take up the time Of the House, whilst he made some observations' upon what had been stated by the Right lion. Gentle. man(Mr.-WINDHAm). The Right Hon. Gentle.. rri!,;n had cuneent6ted all his observation's of the , ,S4stion, intoone,Speech - , which he denominated a against the Volunteer System, • although; at • . tte'doseof 'the last Session, the Right Hon. Gen tletnan;h,ad declared, that, upon the Volunteers the Country must chiefly rely for security., The Right i Gentleman had made many observations tend upon • the Militia, and the ,Volun teert r and yet; while that Right HorL'Gentlertin •wiis one of the :confidential Servants of His Ma jesty, the il7ilitia :was increased far beyond any .termer period, and the Volunteer System was adopt hi, to - the extent of Iso,ooo inert. The Right Hon. Centletnau had stated, that the aelption of the Vb_ lunteer,:Systetn had diminished the other force o f the..dountry i; but so far from it, the Regula r F orce both in Great Britain and Ireland, Was greater than at t any corresponding period:ol,the last'Var. Th e Regular Force of the Country was in faft withitt.is,ood men equal to what it was, when it'. 's at the' highest amount during the late War: It had I.iert . that a Ar.idual,and slow progressive . discipline'of the Volunteers was proposed ,fo . meet an immediate danger, but Gentlemen - would recut- • It'4, that if the Volunteers had not attained pee feCtion, of disCiAine, .they had-attained t ha t d egree - of di sc i p li ne, w hi c h went far.beyond th e h ope and. expeEtation of Parliament at the close of the last Ses - $ • • • 10n.-- Instead of merely endeavouring to earntheir exemptions, they had attended double and treble the: number ,of_days necessary for :thai purpose, aftuated alone by 'the_ purest patriotism an d t h e • th9st laudable zeal, .1;, c danger of sending the' Yulti"nteer Army against art enemy, had been de. sczlind but 6 . 00 ittirt iheji were to he ; sent as an Army upon such an occasion but otily as part of an army. To the good state of discipline of 'the' Voluntr4is hishf trery reSpeffablo Officers had given testiniony, -amongst others Lordi CA.THeis.aT, and General Stud°E, from the latter of Whom _he had a l - latter in hispockeri, respeding l biddy •ot ‘ abeut z'-,.500 Volunteers io the. &titherri pare. of • Pevon, who had been. tepOrtett Lief:the &petting Officer. as fit for service * aria- to e atli with Troops of the ,Line— As to what , hadi bean said with resPeti to•La.Veodeee if it,proved: any thing, it :made :against the. SyStem of the Right, Honourable Gentleman respeding an Armed e'as - kintry, as it proved' the inefficiericy 4t 'hat de • scrip ion of men. The National Guardis of France, were, he believed, employed in. La Ven,lee and Je- Mappe, at die latter ofhAihich they obtained eonsi.. deto:hle military glory, althoogh the consequences of that . vidoty - 111 tr.“. be' deplored by Ehrope. He lativerited that the olisrvatiotis of the. Right Hon. Geohleman shetild .have a tendency, though to disparage the Regniar Troops of the Country ; theireglory• ceuld : not be -thrown into the shade the.Volhoteers, nor by -twice 4.00,0ree men. As to the Exemptions, they could hot now be taken away without a manifest injustice on the part of Parliament. He concluded by denying that .Ministers basely or meanly courted popular hive' ur 'in the measures they .brought:forwa rd. • -: FOX said,, that he • shpuld have supposed from the Speech of the Right -. Hon. - -GehtleMan . , That he 'was not in the House when.his:Right Hon. Friend-spoke, for he had completely Misnaderstood al! lii"s arguments. He had tic vet stated that ail the Volhnreers h;:d exemptions, nut had he ever stated that•the -,Voionteers had enrolled themselves Merely on account of the exemptions, 'On the contrary,- he. had mentioned several Corps within his•own konw ledge that ,were enrolled before the.exemptioas were granted. It was th'erefore very hard • to have at guments and .sentiments attributed to , G-ntlemen which they had-never uttered. 'He : and his ;tight Honourable Friend , had always ,argued, that the exemptions - had not induced melt to' enter into Vo lunteer Cotpc, and therefore they had always op. posed the' gahoniog olexemptions, and this was an answer to air-T-18;1st three-fourths of the Right Hon, Gentleman's Speech._ 'Tie grglit Hen. Gentleman had stated - , that the National Guard composed a part of•Dutuourier's. army e "of 'this fad he was net quite sure, but lie knew :that it was composed at first of. raw Troops, and the first report he sent of them wers, that 20,000 of them. ran away from t soo Austrians. It -should also be re. colleded, that' one of the first. 'exoloits of these raw French Troops was• to' murder their own ' General (Diet oN) and the'nekt.was to make aria: ther of their Generals CBI eoN)it,Prisoner. It was, true that these men turned out to be good Troll's ' after a campaign .or two ; but he only mentioned' these cases 'to. slew, the - reliande - that was to. be . • placed upon.-raw, Troops. The only way of judg-. ing„upon ,cases ,ofhthis kind was to look . into tory, and he . did not recollett a single instance in, which raw Troops bad in the 'first 'instance. been, successfully opposed in Veterans. The Right lion. Gentleman had !contended - that it was not the in. • tension. of GovernMeht to , substithte teers for sail Armed Peasantry, becauSe the .King . had the power :'of calling out the population Of the :Country ; but had they, taken the, means, to call them out ? had ethey provided, arms for thetti? Or, if they . houtly 'expetted the Invasion, why were they 'net called out ? It had been asserted that the Volunteers had attained a greater degree of perfection than could have been expetted ; but hebelieVed near three-fourths of them had never:fired with ball cartridge, and yet these men were' raised to repel an :attack that was exiieded . in Augdst. last: The. Right ,Henonrable. Gentleman had relied much upon the reports of some General Offieets,, particu. lady Lord CATHC /LT, G e neral SINK:O E., and Lord MOIR A. With regard to .Lord CATHCART, 11 , ,.! be lieved he only s spoke of the Irish Volunteers, which were certainly in some tenet - IS : different from those of this Country. With regard to the report of Ge neral. Stmco e, • no man could be disposed to pay greater resped . to' it titan be yas, but he should like to know.whar number of. General Officers,had made similar repoets,; if there were no others, why then it.. be inserted that, was the., onlyi Corps- in such an advanced state •o( discipline. As to, the opi n iono.ehich had been said be advanced byLord MotttA,, it was,one whichhe believed,had.been-de livered at a public dinner o . whether it had beet) cerrettly reported or not, he did not know, and therefore it Was impossible ,to know whether his Lordship h really, advaneed , such .an opihion.or ,not. It had been argued : the{ the Volunteer. Sys. hem I ad not inured, the '*euiting• for theoiltufY, but to this asserthm .he'cnuld -nor give • ete,dit ; it • • was. universally . known that , the Array had rnot been recruited as it might. have been, and indeed it was iMpOssible but that the number of exemptions given must mafetially offeds the recreiting for the. Army but it was contended_ that RarliamentyOuld be guilty of a breach 'of faith if the Voltinteers were depeived, of *their exeregitions'; 'but Was it not -.a: breach of faith With -- the Volohteets when the:num ber of days which -- they. were 'obliged to drill,: :in order _to olitaira•-those exemptions ;; was changed from twenty • to forty-four ? 'The' Right man had phieed great 'e'nt'ice nOon a comi , •:1011 Of the Force Britiiin VOW, riad .in thelottriere War but ‘vas rise ctillPer . : - .T ; W:i . S the whole force 611i:ra nye :dire4e4l7ak?i:•ist C ? if it was not, it Was abydrd ho revert to.precedeots, in former Wars. 'eetained the opinion hehtufl expressed of the ad pint that'wePld result from, an Armed. J'easantry, because instead of 4.60,ec00' men, yeu'would'then have-two millions ; put now, tvitltth.e exception of the A:Ty, th - e Li tiiria,,and the Volutiteer, there was not a Toan arneed _ha the Country. Before he.satdown, to a!de whether they really expeCted the tivah. sion, -or they did not ? If they. did; he believed, there never was an instance-of a 'Country hilt in such a state of defence, when skit a powerful Inva sion was expeded : if they did, he thought They ought immediately ta' set about some mea'sores for its future security. , The,CHANCELOR of the EXCHEOUER in ex - planation elaicilh that the' opinion of Lord Alotie,.. was not collated from %s hut he had said 'at a public but tisi. hi 3 kerieral oickis is!tiecl Sri land. Sir f lAMZS PUL i sato, 024 wnatelref, fl O g h t h a ve been his opinion about the pitopfiric , : ut instituting a.Volunteer Force in the first instat•C-3 yet as it had been'adopted, he would nod- take..tho System as he found it, and he had no hesitaticii id saying, that upon - the whole be approved of thbi Bill. He was very.: far. froni agreeing with ilios6 who said that a little discipline was Worie . thati none; be dal not say the Voltinteers were peitedi but sorely the discipline they had attained ,must nuke th , ! . tri I.)ttet soldiers, • than if tlit-y.had pone.; Una great brand] of diScipline Was 'the use of tile ficha.. - Is, that 'the Volunteers had attained ; the neat" was marchingl in that also, they had madei very considerable improvement ; and. the third: which was pet hales. of as great consequence. as ,thd other's, was the acquirement of steadiness and re.: golarity. • All these, the Volunteerp.had in a great dgree . attaioed;' and he had no doubt but that with the siirit they .posseSsed, they woitid be eminently useful. It had been said, that 'the . Volimteers ought not to be employed in line against , Reguiars; - but even if they' were not, the, diseit:ine, they had at tained would be very far from.diSqualqing sheaf far any other kind of service. , Much had ,been `said about 'an 'Armed Peasantry of two milli I.iS of but it was oisvious that only a given number cotdd be brought to aft against So or 60,c00, sup. posing the Frebeheou.ld land sit many,. and there. ;ore 100, - 600 Aimed' Peasantry would in. Ilat ra.o - as useful as two millions.. had been argued that the VOlUnteer System Tee:tilting for the Army, from the number •t ions that wete granted, hut he could trot, cur in this opinion, because 'it was known tit:; ;: ti,ere were very 'few principals either in the or the.. Artny of 'Roserve,. as they were almost entitely . Composed' of Stibstitutes. Colonel CRALCFOR.D explained. - - .1 1 / 1 DICTA: Ef.',90.A1 disapproved. of the condua of Ministers with respect to the Volunteer System. However in the present danger, he watild .consent to any proposition for abgmenting the Army, the ,Militia, or the Volunteers. • Mr. ROSE said, he was a strong. friend to the VOlunteer System, because he thotight it would be produftive of the greatest _advantage,: with • regard' to the before the' He.se, he confessed• it had. disappointed him, because he expe&ed it would hdve remedied 'many incOnveniencies which had, i • be,-,n felt in the Country, but which it left un. • touched. 'He was the more disappointed, because from a measure that had ocettried the 'attention of. Parliament so long, it was natural to expect that tiinh would be done; but in fat this' Bill didabriost, There was, indeed, but one 'Clause the - Bill, which, in sh'is opinion, could produce any good effe6t, and that was a Clause. intilnduced by, his - Right•Hon. Friend (Mr. Ptrr.) fie thought this Clause of great importance, because it gave every possible encouragement to the Volunteers to go out : for the purpose of exercise, but he was sorry,to, find that the money allowed was to be laid nut in necessaries, because he thouglit it would very con. siderably take away the , inducement that was. field, ou't to them. 'Fhere was one Clause of which he en . - tircly diSapprovid, if;it•,Was .. the Clause which gv, , c to Fanners a proportion of the pay allowed to their ierytints Who ,o. re Volunteers, because ice was • sbresit prevent them fionl . going but for the pprpose being trained and exercised. I.,T i ton the wh - ole, he expected very little from this Bill ; in. d - eed, -- he was not 'SUT.! that it W',111(1 'nut do more harm than good ; - 'however; under all The 'civeom.: stances of tife case, - h - e — shu - iiki not give it any oppo- Sttlgn„ f • ; Mr—di:RIVEN said he should have to trotible the J - 19use with but. a lew .words. He entertained no doubts as to the public. spirit ;and feeling of Volunteers; but with respea to the &tree of per. fedion in training and di . sciptine to which they, generally speaking, - had arriVed, he certainty had .coosideralzie doubts. The Right Hon. Gentlenian had vaunted - of the state of discipline which Corps in' 'a particular part 'of the KingdOni, to the number of between z and .3000 may; 'h - ad - arrived; but were all the returns of the InspeOing Officers :. to he kid before the Heuse, a wide difference would:soon be rsceiied, and the number of Corps fit for duty, and to aa with Troops' of the Line, would, he believed, be locind very inconsiderable. • Gentrq LO FTC'S observed, that under the pre. sent circumstances. of the "Country, he felt it his ditty to give tiie Bill his best support. He appr o ved o f t he;plan, of blending the Corps of Volunteers .with the`-Regular Army, which consisted of a-oiven number of -brigades; and pl - aeed under GenerarOlii 'Cers acquainted with the service. lie deprecated the idea of bringing the Volunteers by themselves into aetion, of mairliing them into parts - of the C6untry to which tley.were - totally strangers, or of placing General Officers at the head of Tioop with whom they were entirely' . l.l-acquainted. He had 'made' these observations - not with • the least - view of throwing .difficulties 'in the way but, in `the Way of cantion ; no idea could he ra. tionally entertained of bringing the VolunteerS into the_fiad, without any hods , to lead:them.• This he applied to.. the idea of employing, the : Volunteers such ,:vera to be, tieted opan, experie,:ce would sonti.shew its injurious efFe6;: He ne s ;t: ad vcrzed to the imOtraneConsideration of driving the catticfrOm those, purrs of the. coasts, where an Erie my-was iikely , to. effc6l a landing. " He recolleCted, ,when - serVing onder - the present Lord Howe, in American;' that: the gnenty unifornily rook the pre- Caution of driving,the.,ottle from such.parts.4 the ..) Coast 35 his. debarkations were. made ; this opera.• tiOrt threw His' 1144 sty's fore - es into a distressirg di. lemma, and they were alwaysforced to recur to their ,bwo magazines : ;the. consequence was, ..that with. fill the skill ank L i! hitity ofthat celebrated Officer, he was to penetrate further •than 3o or 4.0 miles up the Cottntrk.* He was happy do understanchhat it was the,intenzion.cif Qoverninent to Nke the pre_ caution cattle frotn the Coasts, which necessarilymust reduce the Enemy to the alterna tive. of subsisting upon the contents of their own Sna • Ge era 1 TA RI,,ETOIV said, he should detain the ;House but for a very few . minutes, and his endeavour s ;vvould be to cortetl a misstatement which h'ad fre quently been made with regard to recruiting the