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to cherish, wish respect to the adoption of the Pro position,: nor did he think that by it we should lose the Sovereignty of 'the Seas. The application was not an attack upon the charter, but only for en in quiry into a grievance, the existence of which was acknowledged by Government, the Board of Con_ trot, the Directors themselves, and a great number of Proprietors. ;the iabjed of the Supporters of the Motion, .was fair and laudable, and its, adoptioti would .tend to the salvation of"the Ificlia Company, the'general prosperity of the Nation, and, above all; to the extension cf her Trade., /11r. TIERNEY said, that, notwithstanding the lateness .of the hour, he felt himself called upon, in consequence of sonae- thiogS that had fallen in the course of the Debate, to offer a few observations to the House. The first ground of objection to the I\lotion which forcibly struck him was, , the terms of the Aa'ofhao3, to supersede which would be the effect of going into, ,the Committee. At the same time, he could not . agree with those : who argued, that in no case Charters should he touched. The great and known interests ofahe Public were, with him, paramount considerations. On such oc casions, the cant phrase:of " Chartered Rights" should not weigh with him.. The Aft in question was, with resped to the points adverted to, in his mind very distinctly worded, as might be expeaed from the produdion of a Right Hon. Gentleman who, however he might differ from him on various politi cal questions, he must confess was perfedly,compe. tent to the task.. In, that regulation the Company were left to the enjoyment of their exchisive mono poly, but under two leading restrialons ; the first, that the profits of the. Company should be limited, and that when they exceeded a certain amount, the Public should he suffered to participate; and second. ly, which appeared to be an extorted concession, the regulations in favour of the Private Trade, re speding the manner of its being carried on, and the providing of the conveyance for 3000 tons for the respective Imports and Exports of India and Eng land. The only principle on which the Legislature could fairly be called upon to interfere upon such an occasion as the, present was, some general grounds of mismanagement on -the , part of the Company, obviously and alarmingly affeding the public interests. If such a plea were advanced, the_ na tural course would be, to consider next, who the applicants for such an interference were. In his coinion there could not be found , soo persons friend ly to the Proposition of the Hon. Baronet : about 250" of the Proprietors were in favour of it, togee, titer with about 4.0 or so persons who signed the application, and who seemed interested in the ques tion ; beyoad that, he could perceive in no com mercial quarter the smallest wish for the question to be brought forsaard. If the Directors were, in "the points; in question, guilty of any, oegled, he would add, that the Board of Control were equally reprthenSible. He here adverted, to the relevant provisions of the - Aa in question, than which, he observed, it ''‘Vas impossible for words to he more explicit. 'hen that :VI wa's framing,, the Legis. lature was, to a certain degree to be considered, as ire king a bargalit for the Public against the mono.. poly of the East-Italia Company. So decided . were the framers of that Ad with fesped to the intro priety of tampering therewith, that on a future oc casion, Alen certain farther regulations were found necessary, they were -provided for by means of:a . separate legislative provision. He Proceeded to consider what description of persotes were urgent for the proposed Measure, :and observed, that they were in .general persons who hid made fortunes under the Company--perstins who, undoubtedly, were entitled equally with,the testsof their fellow_ suljeCts to the protedion of the Legisla-turee but,. in hisidea, not entitled to any particular favours, or to claim essclusive privileges ; they professed their greachbjeol to be the service of the Public, -and yet they seemed in effect to'say, that if. their • Proposition should not be. adopted, ,:they would do the most mischievous things in their power. Such persons he did not think were particularly entitled to favour from the Legislatore. The Ho. nourable Baronet had placed in his front two _names, doubtless of great weight, viz. the late President of the Board' of Control,. and the Marquis WELLESM ; with regard to the latter, from the personal knowledge of him he ,bad in the early parts of that Noble Lord's political career; he cer tainly felt much respedi for him, but he must beg leave to observe that the subject before the House, was not that in which the NobleiVlarquis was best qua lified to lay down the Law : he Was aware of his literary talents, and were the present a question of classical research, he would be one of the first to subscribe to his decisions-; but he was yet to learn how his voyage to India, and short residence in that Country had rendered him an indisputable au thority. With regard to the late President, he hid certainly often disagreed with him, and though he respeded his general talents, and knew his in formation on India Affairs, yet, in this particular instance, his opinion was entitled to no extraordi a nary deference. He was the author of the measure taken as the ground of the present application ; and that Right Hon. Gentleman's being wrong in 1 793, was, he thought no reason for his being right row. Some of- his prophecies were far from being fuLilled. He had not forgot the assertion, that the public revenues would be assisted to .the amount of aco,cool. by those of th e India Company, and, that the latter, at the end of thirteen years, would be eighteen millions in pocket, after paying,all its delos.-12he present, however, he regarded as a question of great magnitude. He felt, that the Company, even did the discussion stop here, would not come out of it as well as it went in.—He was sorry that the "subject ever discussed—he was awar e that every thing , wont upon general opinion in India-a-The '.opinics entertained in that quar ter, of the Coroppny, and he was sorry that any thing should arise which, should give the Ser vants .an apparent triumph over the Master.—The - Hon. Baronet was - formerly aware of the ~great a strength and ianportanecaof . the ,Shipping Interest, - and its tendency to produce the effeds alluded' to. He would ask, did they believe* the question would • stop there ?..Far from it, , If the door, of the Char . air. wa s. o nce o pened, it would be impossible to ;,hut Cheapneaaiicings ollte great phjed of the appli r cants, why' should the :louse third:: 'ally would consne themselves to the Port of leondon? `mould a.;Y Mr.10§4• 40 5'e!' 4 4 14 ) o.l 4 ;rt'sr!n§ GlAqioVii Bristol, or other Ports, and even in Ireland? The 'fable would be-covered with applications to that eff'ec't. What answer could then be' given to them ? The Charter could not be objeacd to them, as it world then in effect he obviated. Did they believe their objeds pradicablc, or that these coo persons'could render England the empo rium of all the trade of India ? Why should the whole of an' At of Parliament be effedually abrogated, which, in regard to private trade, had even exceeded its framer's expectations, inasmuch as it increased it, from the amount 'of Soo,oool. to upwards of two millions? The evils of excessive Colonization should be also considered, and these might prove greater than the instance afforded by America ; the latter had every thing to make—in India every thing was already made; America was only a two months voyage—lndia was beyond the reach of control. He knew the respectable Army we had in India ; no man felt the national obligatiOns to it more strongly than himself : yet they were to bear in mind, that the Army might consider such changes as tending to its advantage. Much was said about the benefits to be derived by the Mother Country : in such a case as the present . , however; he doubted which' would be considered as the Mother Country.' Certainly, the trader woidd wish to increase the wealth and capital of that in which ,he, was on the spot to avail him self.—Upon the whole, the. Legislature shOulti pause ere it entertained such a Proposition as that of the Hon. Baronet ; it would go to transfer a-large pro portionsfEnglish ship-building to India. With re_ spelt to what was said of the profits of repairing the vessels in. this Country, it was tlifling in comparison to the loss - the other way,' as by one of the Accounts on the Table,- out- of 20°,0001. not more than zz,oool. were paid to Ship-builders for repairs.— With respect to the Navy being injured by the inea sure, he felt no serious alarm, yet it was prudent to guird against such a contingency. They knew what a useful body of men the Shipwrights of the Navy were.—He instanced their almost in credible expedition in fitting out a • number of Gun-boats, in the course of last Spring, on the alarm - of an Invasion being intended, and they were to consider how far it would be proper to adhostilely to the interests of those, for the accommodation of certain individuals, on the score of cheapness ; and added to this, he thought the calculations; in the latter point of view, much exaggerated. The India Company have done all that could reasonably be asked of men, and, indeed, he thought, rather more than was consistent with their duty, with respect to their Constituents. The concessions required were too much. The security of our Indian Possessions was implicated, and that depended chiefly upon the high character of the Company in that quarter. — In concluding, he seriously reminded the House to put the question to rest, to shew the servants• that they could not get what they wanted, and he was certain the most beneficial consequences would ensue. He had the less to regret that the lateness of the hour preVented him from going so largely into the subject as he otherwise .should, in con sidering that the points he touched on, were very ably argued by an Hon. Gentleman on his side of the question, in the course of the Debate. How ever, on a - future occasion, should it be necessary, he hoped the House would indulge him with the de livery of his sentiments on the subject; in detail. L rd GLENBERVIE said, he could not agree with . his Hon. Frienci . who had just sat down, in lamenting that the Question was ever agitated ; he, on the contrary, rejoiced at it. The, bringing for- ward the. question by the worthy Baronet, had .been prodotlive" of much benefit ; it indUeed the , Company already to an enlarged and liberal depar ture froni the stria letter of the Statute of 1793, as rightly announced by his. Right Hon. Friend the CliArrctt.t.ott of the EXCHEQUER, and a line of si milar policy might be adopted by the Legislature, to a certain -degree, by an existing legislative regu lation. India-built Ships were already competent. At the same time he differed from his, Noble Friend with respe& to the idea of cheapness, and still More on the ground of his treating as chimerical a future scarcity of Ship-timber in this Country ; in this opinion he was justified by that of the Noble Lord at the head of the Admiralty. The importance of the Navy was too great not to induce the Legis lature to catch, with eagerness, at any substitute for , the decreasing of Ship-timber in this kingdom.--- Were it, as stated by the Hon. Gentleman, as dear to build. Ships in the way proposed, as in that now in use, it would be no harm to let them try the experiment ; when they found their error they would abandon the scheme. There was enough stated by the worthy Baronet, and might be ad mitted by all the Gentlemen, to shew there was great reason !--) think it proper to inquire, and that inquiry to a proper extent had beeil already made ; but it was most truly and emphatically stated, by his Right Hon. Friend the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, that it once allowed its full range, it was unknown to what extent the michief might go. The attention of the Public had been so far beneficially called to the proposition, as to procure from the Company an indulgence for two years to the Private Traders, to the full extent of their poWers, which he conceived to be a great point gained, and the interval would afford suffici ent time for experiment, and shew how the measure would operate with respect to the interest of either Party ; and this - consideration would he sufficient to induce him to resist the proposed Inquiry, for; which, he was perfealy satisfied, no substantial grounds now existed, and should therefore vote for the Previous question. Mr. R. THORNTON, in a short, but pertinent Speech, defended the condua of the East India Company, and insisted they had given every prac ticable facility to Private Traders, who notwith-- standing, he averred, had not availed themselves to the full extent of their powers. • Sir JAMES M. PL TENEY argued at some length in favour of the original Motion. • Sir W. PULTENEY spoke at some length in ex -• plarpition, and-entered into a.variety.of details. and calculations in support of the Propositions he had before; advanced. . • • After a very few words in explanation, in conse;. quence of a point or two ,of the Hon. Basonet's Speech, from the CtlAticet4og.. of the Excfictzuza ; hir c. 4 4.,. 3 ti0n was called for, wheal the PligiDia Mo- tion, as proposed by Sir W. PIILTENEY, was nega tived, and the Previous Question carried without a division. Mr. ALEXANDER pre i sented the Report of the Committee on the Duties upon Spirits distilled from Molasses, &c. and the Resolutions being read from the Chair, were agreed to by the House, and a Bill founded on the same ordered to be brought in accord. ingly. - Mr. VANSITTART presented a Bill to repeal the Ad of the 39th of the King, for permitting the Importation of Naval Stores from Hamburgh for a limited time. The Bill was forthwith read a first time,. and ordered to be read a second rime to-morrow. The Committees of Supply and Ways and Means were postponed till Friday.---And on the MotiOn of the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER the House adjourned (at Eleven o'Clock) till To-morrow. THE SUN'. soLim QUIS DICERI tAtsvm AupeAr 4 LONDON, NOVEMBER z 6, 18oz. WE this morning received Paris Papers to the 22d inst. Our limits, from the length of the Par liamentary Proceedings, would allow but a very short space to our Extrafts, were their contents such as to entitle them to notice : this is, however, not the case. They bring us no information. The French Funds have again declined, being now at 531.—A Letter from Marseilles, of the 2cl inst. states the arrival of a great slumber of Troops, part of the Army of the East.—Mr. LI v INGSTON, Chan cellor of the State of New-York, Minister Plenipo tentiary of the United States to the French Republic, landed on the r 3th at L'Orient, and was preparing to set out for Paris. An article in the Moniteur, from Cuxhaven, of the 4th inst. states the prevalence of dreadful storms, and leads us to entertain doubts for the safety ,of our Packets. Marquis CORNW ALLIS continues to be treated with marked respdl, The enthusiasm on the Peace was such at the Opera, that his Lordship is stated. to have shed tears. Four Hamburgb Mails still remain due. We are happy to hear that HER MAJESTY iS in a fair way of recovery from the low fever with which she has been aife&ed, and which we under- -, stand has not been accompanied with any. alarming symptoms. She is attended by Sir FRANC Is NIL- . MAN. It is now very confidently said that Earl ST. VINCENT will retire from the Admiralty. Who his Successor is to be is not yet ascertained. The intended Promotions in the Navy upon the Peace, will no doubt be announced before the - final retirement of Earl Sr. VINCENT. ' The puke and Dutchess of M Arr ell r sT t R nmved on Monday last at their Seat at Kimbolton, in Hun. tingdonshire, from Gordon Castle. This day the .LORD MAYOR held a Court of Aldermen at Guildhall, for the purpose of tak ing into consideration the MI of Parliament of the 37th of Ge0..111. for setting and regulating the Assize of Bread ; also the cause of the present en ormous high price of Wheat and Flour, after such an extraordinary plentiful harvest. A Court of Common Council will be held to morrow, at Guildhall, particularly to consider the Motion of Mr. FRANCIS GARRATT, for petition ing Parliament to cause a Survey of all Grain throughout the kingdom, and that the Proprietors thereof be compelled to make a due Return, upon oath; of the quantities, specifying the separate quan tities of Wheat, Flour, Barley, Barley Flour, Oats, and Oatmeal, Rye and Rye Flour ; also a Return of the probable produce of the different sorts of 1 Grain when threshed. And to consider a Motion for petitioning Par liament that the Prohibition to distil from Grain may continue six months, from the zst of January next, and until the \ next meeting of Parliament after that period. And also to consider a Motion that this Court agree to petition Parliament for leave to bring in a Bill to repeal the several Ads relating to the set ting the Assize of Bread, subsequent to the Aft passed the 3lst Geo. the Second. Lord FOLEY, hunting with Lord Hmtßoßotrox's hounds, in Leicestershire, has met with a danger ous accident : his horse's legs dropped into a deep hole, and the animal fell backwards upon his Lord ship. His friends were near enough immediately to extricate him ; but he fainted, and afterwards vomited a considerable quantity of blood. . Lord HARBOROUGH immediately sent for his carriage, but Lord FOLEY could not be removed further than to an adjoining farm-house. The last accounts hap pily state that he is better. On Tuesday night, a party of Constables belong ing to the Public Office, Worship-street, entered a house in Pall-Mall, under 'authority of a search warrant issued against it as , a common gaming_ house, and where they found several Gentlemen sitting round a table, on which was a box and dice but_ no other appearance of play. Yesterday the parties attended before R. GRAHAM and J. I•lAat . ., ' Esqs. at Bow-street (the officers litiVing taken their words for theirforth-coming), whet co other charge • being adduced, except having been folmd_in a house of that ilescriptiop, they wertidisiiiis'sed, on enter ing into their OSVfI recognizance to ';',l-iyer what , might be objet ecl against them ag the next West -1 minster-Sessions. Ps few evenings *ince a parcel, containing Bank Notes to the amount of 2501. wasstolen aom the i il til ami -.4ctcs Mail, By the irbitll Packet, from India, the impor° intelligence has -been received, of the death of till': NABOB Of the CARNATIC. A Letter dated:. t, 5 4th of August, states : " This opportunity ca ul % you intelligence of the NABOB'S death, and that W r adopted Son has been set aside, and a. Nephew ° the old man elcaed in his stead. On furnishing tiv) ceremony of placing him on the Musnud, the foi l lowing General Orders were issued : Fort St. ceorge, .74y 31, 18°1' G. 0. BY GOVERNMENT. " In conformity to a Treaty this day concluded betse i j i " the Right Honourable the Governor in Council, and xilb " Highness the Nabob Azum ul Dowhill Bahauder, Nabo-f o f the Carnatic,. by which the entire Civil and Government of the Carnatic has been transferred for Vic, " to the hands of the Honourable Company, orders ha ve bec ; , " transmitted to the Civil Mikes appointed by the Gove,' " nor in. Council, P! to receive charge of the Provinces of „t 75 " Carnatic from the Officers of the late Government. " Lordship in Council is thcretbre pleased to order acid " reel all Officers commanding Divisions, Stations, Ga rr ' ' " sons, and Forts, to afford to the Civil Officers of C;.overiti ." ment whatever military aid may be necessary to the es tP t " blishment of the Authority of the Company throug ll° ' " the Provinces of the Carnatic. `•By Order of the Might Hon. the Governor in Council, ,r (Signed) "J. WEBBE,' Chief Sec. to W' / PLYMOUTH, Nov. 74. Arrived the Cutter, of t4guns, Lieut. LAP E NOTTE RE, Do' patches from Minorca and Gibraltar. She bring s no intelligence of importance.--Arrived the Bla , and Sirius Frigates, and Childers Sloop of NS' 3rt from a Cruilc. Po RTSMOUTH; Nov. 2-s.—Atri ved Majf s ; ty's Ship Heldin from the Downs.—Dropped to St. Helen's, from Spithead, His Majesty's Artily • O f Transport Calcutta.—The Seagull Sloop of this day came into Harbour to refit. DOVER, Nov. ,25. —This morning arrived fr° lss Calais, the Prince .of It ales Packet, Ca with Mr. DR ESSI NS the Messenger, and and the Nancy, LATTIMORE, with a tier and Dispatches ; also the Ac7i.-ue, Minerva Bye-boats, and two French sell with a great number of Passengers. ' SHEERNESS, Nov. 25. —This day 'Majesty's Ship his ' of so guns, She is 'come to. the Little Nore.—Sai jestv's Gun-vessel-Cop:1E8, Lieut. Do gate.—The A. Armed Ship has atte' into Harbour, but the tide shortening was obliged to bring up. She is order , oE Yesterday the long depending Bo: between Belcher and Bark, took place Green, in the parish of Hurley, near Berkshire ; when, after twenty_one fighting, victory was declared in favou, The match was for one hundred guineas On Monday se'nnight, about eigh' Mr. Daniel Solomon, of Wentworth-s, chapel, was tra►elling near a place the Hole, about a mile and a half be. ford, he was stopped by two foot-pad' bed him of his watch and cash ; likew to the amount of eighty pounds, wl travelling' with as a hawker and robbers beit him in a most cruel manner 'on the . head with their left him for dead ; he was found in some travellers, who took him to . D medical assistance ; two men of the tr Allen and Edward jarret, have si, prehended at Maidstone; in Kent, fc tobbery, on an inhabitant of that to' watch belonging to Mr. Solomon, foul of them ; likewise property belonging tlemen of the , neighbburhood of Welstf Ti - ,ey Were both examined before the town, and committed for further exam • Fortune still steady to a favourite Goddess, indignant that some Office some to claim those gifts which she bestowed on htr favourite pavillion, P , seems now to be determined, in orde' every possible pretence for dispute, tl bounties at that Office shall be by 1' Shares.—As an earnest of this resoltitio, No. 18,542, entitled to soool. as fi , Monday, was shared in one Half, one two Eighths, at Poet's Office., come' Exchange, facing the Bank.—Each been registered, and all in Town, one waited immediately on the respettive turers with the happy news brought b. Express. SHIP NEWS. CRAVZSIND, NOV. 24. Passed by— the Vulture, Loring, from Ni Reynolds, from Stettin ; Experience, Paterso; lona ; Loulana, ; Stag, Hanson ; and J( from Perersburgh. Sailed—the Albion Meek, for Jamaica ; Trinidad; Apollo, Phillips, for f ()hap ; F 1 Naples ; John, Melville, for Gibraltar ; Tr( Nlartinique ; Two Sisters, it, ley, for NoN deuce, Tuotnas, for Newry ; and valuta, —‘ MARRIED. On the 23cl inst. at Bath, john Prettejohrl badoes, to Miss Augusta Bucrly, youngest Lam Buckly, Esq. • DIED. At Graystontees, near Berwick.upon-T\ year-of his age, Mr; George Lyall, of that p At'Edinburgh, on Monday the gth inst. M: spouse of Mr. John Edgar, Accountant o f Wednesday the tith, Alexander Edgar, their year of his age. Captain George Lauder, of the Madras eldest son of Dr. Colin Lauder, of a fever, Ryadroog, in the month of February last, in nip age. PRICE OF STOCKS, YISTAR DAY. Bank Stock Navy 5 per Ccnt. 99?,k leo Per 9b •Irisn 5 per Cent. 4 per Cent—Con. S4l 5 3 per Cent. Red. 66 7 , ,iq - 3 jeer Cent. 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