The Sun. — London, England, 1853-08-09 00:00:00

1111P 1 '1 _______...-- - ?MARE MARKETS. -(THIS DAY.) BRITISH R. RAILWAYS. ,AILWAYS Closing Prices this day. 26 - 27 5 5 9i 10 9 7 dis 20 - 22 3i -- 2Ad 102 -- 104 68 -68 A 22 -- 224 19i -- 204 2i - 3,ip 8- 9 51 -- 5 .•_3 -- 4 12/ -- 13 43 - 45 31 - 33 74j,- 75i 53 - 56 72 - 74 i, ---- iO 84i Ssi 53 55 ,134 - 136 110 - 112 896 - 90 7 - 76 100 - 105 16 -17 p 77§ - 78 - 3i - 3 15 - 156 - 1i —lipx 9 d 102 —lO4 d 1151 1154 2 lf, lip , 886 —896 j 6 5a 5 4d 11 13 18 20 28i -- 29 7li 72 40 42 55 - 68 8 22 20 12,1 13 Ininea done this day. 21 1 ; 1 5 t. k. 161 t v i 10 qt. il tit. Ii k II Et. 11 St. 1 , St. 1 , 12 E 44: t., 2 0 by 8t t ai tO 44 24 al 2 0 11 ?5 ~ 2 0 ' 20 1 ' , ~ 26 a l 10 ‘' st -1 25 la at 1: tkri i li ht, \ll lit, t( Fit, 1 k.,1! 6 41 121 12' kl 121 a] h. h 19. 11; 10 4 1( Fit 1( ht: 20 1( %t_ k 26 1 t 1 26 20 kli 0 A.berdeen . . ...... ... Ambg. Noang. Bost. and Eastn. Junct... 611 Birtg• Wolverh. & Stour Birkenhd. Lancsh. 61 ' all Cheshire Junct .. . .. • Do. Chesh. & 450 and R 25 Cons. 00 Do., ...... Bristol and Exeter 00 Caledonian. all Chester & Holyhead. iall Cork and Bandon Cork, Black, & Pass l 5 Dublin&BelfastJune 11 Dundee Perth &Aber deen Junction....,,, ll Do. New .••, Ll Eas t Anglian ...... . 11 Do., 11 Eastern Counties 11 Easter n U nion, A 00 tuck . . • 8 i Do. Do., . Stook : /0 , New East Lanc as hire . .. 11 & Bir East &We Ind. Dk. rain A g. June Edinburgh& Glasgow 14 Edinb. and Peebles... Edin.P r th . &Dundee I ~00WO G Gla. s gow& S. W es t ern t)° ret Northern Stk. IN., a A. Stock .. ...... )0 Do., B. Stock )0 Gt. Sth. &West. (Ire )' )0 G reat We s t ern.. • .1 Irish South -Eastern II Lancaster & Carlisle bDo., Thi r d s ... .. . . . . Lane ash.andYo r ks . h. 6 Do., Fifths., . .... , ... a Lee ai DJ., Wst. Rid ing Un. ds Northern . . . 11 Liv.Crsb&Southpt. Loudon Blackwall 7 Loud. Tub. &Sth en d. )0 Loud. Bright &S.Cst. fo nd. and N. Westn. l 2 1 Do Do. Fifths ... .. . 10/.Sh . , AL&B—u )0 London andS. Westn. 4 Do., X 50......... D., £4O ... . . . ....... al Lnandrry& Col eraine Lndndrry. Ennisk. Manch.Shef.& Lincln Do .,an. & Lin. U. Midland ....... ... . . Liming. &Derby 17i %did. G. West.(lre.) l7 i D° G. Half Shares...... Newcastle & Carlisle. )0 Newmarket ........... 16 Do., Bury Esiension. 1714'Nwpt.A.berg. & Hrfd. Fl N ewry & Enniskillen 14-1- Newry Warren point and. Rostrevor. ...... )0 Norfolk ....... . .. i Northn.Counties )0 North British . 16 INorth Devon, No. I. BDo No. 2. . ..... ... "„Do., A Deferred . . 1 7 , 0 , 6 B Guaranteed ,„`" North Staffor dshire.. IT: North & S. Westrn. June. 10 Oxford, Worcester v , & f, Wolverhampton 00Su Scottish Central , • • • eottishMidland joShrewsbury & Ei tmg. D o. L. & N. Western 8 otir „91iarante4 St tt k... „ ewsby. & Berefd. Shrewsby. & Closter' ~SX. NV. Min ; uo. Halveso. 1)0. Oswestry ei gliropshire Union ill nth Devon 10 South Eastern South Wales 15 8. Yrksh. Riv. Dull 5 Dc,.. ... .. Socki(; & Hartlepl 0 Thames Haven Dock and way ..Dock '7 Vale of Neath . Waterfd & Kilkenny .11 Waterford We &Limerick st Cornwall . . 18. Winibledn &Croydon )0 York Newctl. &Berw. i 0 Do. Exten ions . . . o Do. G.N.Es. Purchase York &NMidland 2i - 52 - 3g - 32,i ... 21 -- 14i -- 81 31 -- 91 -- 69 1 - 2A - 60 - 10 lik.berdeen .. • . ......... Do. No. 2,7 p. c. • * Eris. 5 Do. 4 P.C. Shares ..gi. * Caledonian £lO gi 11 ( Che er & ad Cork &B Holyhead Gent 51). per cent adonsiP•c• 41 Dundee Pernth &Aber 11l d en Juncti on EastAnglian (I:310s) 6 per cent -.., to. ( . 45) 7 per cent. 2 bo (X 7 17 s) 7 I' e. 111 t4te,ite: i n..? s ou v r . it e i . e N s Ex i : a ll Do ii ° o 2 St ,ll Do. New 6 P. c. • ' stern Union, Sell') ki Skar. 6 per cent ~,"" tastLateash.6 p.cts• '-, EdiubPrth.&Dundee If, 64 per cent. , ~., Gliag Av &S. Western ‘,.. Q u : . 5 per cent ~_•7O Great•Northn. 5 P' c. JO 1)0 5 P . c . Redeem., , Do at 1 p• C. pre u 4, 0 i m p.c. Scri •• • • 11 Gt, so Gt - thn.dtWes p tm• 6 (Ireland) Eighths)... . West . , llatts Ea. (Berks & 5 p c).- ~ Do,e v. red . 4 P.C. LU Do° . con. red. 4P.c ' ' u Do. irred. 4 . tat. &York. pe— F• '''' Do. 6 p. C. Stock 2(/ • . . ' imacion. and Brighton ,Quaranteed 5 p. c 1•10. Pr f , 5 p. c• St' I)°. COenv. ertible, 5 P. )0 r_ol).' ksw2 • :rd . . e l 5 '" tid eo &S. Western Con. Thir ds .. . • ..... 1.0 Londonderry & ...... i Shares .......... 41 Londy.&E'unis.i ... 'll 1144., Shef., & Lin', i Shares, ••• 'II Do. New, 410 ....... 3 Do , e 6.. . .. ........ 41 karYPt .RiCari.i p.c. al Do. 4A per cent, 8i 1)0 )0 Nfld . . . .;;;t.iol ... ... ..c St. )0 Do Consol. Bristo B irna. 6 per cent. l ..& . 5 Do Pro. 4,1,. per cent )0 Do 5 6 Norfolk Extension... p.c. Ext. : ... Do. Guar. 5i per ct... V Bo•Way.Val. 5 P• c• •io North British ...... ~1,1 North Stafford;3i;iro•• " Oxf rcl,Worcester,& I cs WlOlverh 41 5, 6 P•e • ' 4 D . .. . ..... Lll %re.,v,. griiii.in• ./ i.o. al shresby. Chester i., „(Nor.W.Xin), 8 p.c. `v 11 0. 5 per cent ....... 41 ionth Devon ......... li Do. New ........ . 411 8. Ea.sterli. (rieading on rAlln.) of .£l. Os 6d. 1--,, uo. 4i per cent. Pro. aLI S'Yo hr cent. in... 3 WatetriA,&lcilk.6p.c. `ut) Vork,Neweastle,and llervvick,4 p.c. Pref. 5 Do. ... 10 oriiii;T: ...r ......... ii. a nd s, puch.. 1105 z. FOR: Bel Antwrototterclami Charlgian, East . Junct.l e roi & Brquerui Dijon anheni sh ßes a2on..• D utch R ...... Rast Indian ...... ...... .e. Extension ...... Q India n Penins u l a Gd. Janet. of Prance Gt. Westia. of Canada Shares ................. Lucca and Pistoja, 5 per cen bt. pref. D o ...... Lnexemoru ........ , 1) ° o . way) ........ D o ue. • ................ . (Ca ual) ............ . 6 p. cent, p re f . bid Lyons & Medit erran. ................ Maria Antonia ....... Do. isTew ............... N amur & Liege (with Da m ............... Do. (ex interest) ...... or thern of Prance.. De. 20/. 3 P. C. Bds.. [frny.B.SzAms•Shs.l 1 Norwe g ia nTruk.Pr e f Paris a nd Ly0n5...... 1 Pari 1 Paris and Orl eans .... Paris and Rouen ..... 1 Paris and Strasbourg Parisesen&cherbrg• )il Q hee & Richmond : n euen and liavr•••• 4 Sam • • • I bre and MeueseDo. i per Cent. pref., 3 Southern of Prance.• 1 . Upper India Scrip 11 West Flanders ........ 5 Do. ti per c. Pref_. 0 w estern of Prance. • Wed. of Switzerland 9 brtrit Zreelawasmirm" A - 401 8 i - - 9 51 - 52 93 - 95 61 - 63 60 - 62 69 - 71 I 11 - VI is -- 20 9 -- 10 13A -- 142 SOT -- Sid 19 -- 20 71A 72 351 -36 i 13 -- 14 25 - 27 M 7idl il 2}(C -61 PREF ERENCE SHARES. 75 4 50 50 736, 4 25 30 12 St. 85 A St, 534 IA 5 25 1 112 10A 11 10 12 89i 90 50 125 Pin 7i i 8 7fi St.— 1031 2 31xd 1151 i , i 16 89 8i 9i 2si 9 30 20 71i i 2i 1i 40 d, 3 1541 32 204 id 2p lip 15 - 71 -10. - 101 - 103 i P 152 d t,d 150 3i 10 13 -11 - i P - 151 - i - 116 - 122 1115 - 117 24A -25 i 2 2b lot —10 t 17a 18 I 14 —l5 P par 25i -- 26/ 112 -- 114 194 -20 A F -- Ad 103 -- 105 54 -- 51 14i 41 2 -- 1 -- 1$ 21 := i - i - 4 - 1 1 - ii z 7 - 8 33i - 8 - 47 176 - - 44 _ 4 366 - - 20 - Si - 4 3 - --~ LINES LEASED AT FIXED RENTALS. Leasing Closing Prices Business Shr. Paid. Reamers. i Compans. this day. this day. 50 all Bedford and London & Bletchley.... N. West ••• 304 all Birm. & Oxfd. guaran tee.... Gt.Westn. ••• 30. all Do. withoutgr Do • •.• 30 all Birm.Wolv.6ll Dudley guar. Do 30,i all Do.wtht guar Do — St. 100 Buckghamsh. L.IzN.W lO6 108 50 all Clydesdale Jc. Caledon 54 55,1 St. 100 E. Lincoln gr. 6 per cent. Gt•Nrthn. 150 152 25 all Gistr.ez Dn.Fr,Gt. Westn 33 31 100 all Hrtlpl. Dk. &'Yk. New. Railway & Berw. 50 all Hull & Selby Y. &NMdill3 114 113): 25 all Do. i Shares. Do 56 57 12? all Do. Shares. I Do 27 —28 A 13i all Lon.&Greenw,S. Eastern 141 144 20 all Do.Preference'Do 26 27 20 100 Lowestoft gr. 4 per cent. INorfolk 9B 100 20 WO Do. 6 per et. N all Manch. Extn. L.& N. W and Matlock & Midld. 3 50 all Middlesbro' & Stcktou & Redcar Darlingt. 00 all Midlcl.Bradfcl Midland.. 108 109 50 all Northern and Easternsp.c. E. Count. 65 67 50 all Do. 6 per et. Do 50 all Do. Fixeds p Do — 25 all Prest. &Wyre L. &N. W &Lu&Yk •.. 12} 12 Do. - Shares. IDo St. 100 Roystn.& ;Gt Northn 150 _. 152 St. 100 Do.Shepth.St !Do 25 18i Shef.Roth.andLanc ash& Goole g. 5 p.c. Yorksh. . •• • 12 91 S. Staffordsh. M.MClean 1i d 50 all Wear Valleygr[Stockt. & 6 per cent...l Da rlin g t. ••• 32 25 all Do ,Do ....... 32 33 St. 100 Wilts&SomrstlGtWestn. 1021 --1031 MINES. all 'Agua Fria a ll Anglo Austen. Gold all Anglo Californian 2 Australasian 5 Australian all Australian Cordillera all Australian Freehold all Ave Maria all Baden (Gd. Duchy of) all British Austen. Gold 13.5 British Iron 24 Brazilian Imp . (issue d 1 —14 k d par; - Pna l ld par 2 - $d d id par 7 9 3 - 3 4 314 —32 A id par 4, - 484 - 10 —ll p 60 70 7 —8 p at £5 pm all Do. Comes & Cuiada 15 Do. St. John Del Rey Carson's Creek I all Cobre Copper i 1 Colonial 15 Co piapo all Copper Miu. of Eng i all Do. Pref. 73 p. cent. all English and Austrin. Copper Smeltg. Co. ) all General all Great Nugget Vein all Do. Registered 3 all Great Polgooth all Lake Bathurst 1 all Liberty 3 all Linares 1 all Lond.&Californ.Gold Quartz Crush. Co. 1 all Mariquita 0 9 Mexicau&S.Americ n 1 all New Granada 1 all Nouveau Monde 0 5 Nova Scotia Mining and Copper Smeltg. 5 1 Port Philip 1 all Quartz Rock O all Rhymney Iron 5 15 Do. New O 10i Santiago do Cuba 1 all South Australian O 7 Tin Croft SI all United Mexican 1 all Waller 1 all West Granada 1 all West Mariposa 1 all Yuba 2A 2 dI 14 16 PI • #a par 9 10 d— Par 6 7 01— P, g - P, - q d id P 23 25 34 44 id par 6 8 4 ---- - d JOINT-STOCK BANKS. 40 all Australasia . . Bl 83 81/ 50 all British N. American ... •• • 20 2 Chrtd. Bnk. of India, Australia, & China 3 p2t 100 25 Colonial • . d 100 20 Commercial of Loud ... ••• x d 20 10 English Scottish and Australian par p 10/ 20 15 Loud. Chart. Bk• of A 2 2p 173 Australia 50 20 London and County ..• •• • ad 50 10 London Joint Stock ... ••• 100 20 Loud. & Westminster 20 2 Loadon Bank of Aus tralia and India 50 222, National of Ireland ... ••• 25 all - Oriental Bank of Corporation 49 51 4 9 i 950 25 5 Do. New ... 100 25 Provincial of Ireland ••• 10 all Do. Now — 5 1 Royal Australn•Bkg. & Gold Imp Co 3 die— par 25 all South Australia 44 46 25 all Union of Australia... 713 —723xd 723 2ixd 2v Do. New 8 83 Si 10 Union of London-- • 40 all Union of .•• ••• MISCELLANEOUS. 5 5 Aubin Coal and Iron . . 100 35 Australian Agricult. 3 2 34 323 /33 20 8 Australsn.Pcific.Mail ..• 10 6 Austrahi. Royal Mail ••• 50 3E4 Brit. American Land 64 67 5 1 Brit. & Coln. Smeltg. and Reduction Co ... ••• 100 323 Canada Company x d 5 5 Crystal Palace - 2p 6 i• 7 4 2 Crystal Pal, of France 3 1p 2i 20 1 Eastern Steam — 1 1 Electric Tel. of Irel. 15 14 Gen. Steam Navigat. 20 14 General Screw Steam ... •• • 20 5 Irish Beetroot Sugar ••• 20 4 Magdalena St. Navig. •• • 1 all Nat. Pt. Steam Fuel ••• 10 3 (Netherlands Land — par 23 1 all N. B. Australasian... par plg 20 73 Nrth .of Europe Steam • • •• • 5 all Peel Rr. Ld. & Minrl. 1 —l/ p 50 all Peninsular & Oriental ... „„ 50 25 Do. 2 all Portland Iron Co ••• 100 60 Royal Mail Steam „. •• • 1 all i Scot. Austral. Invest li — 2 3 p 3 1 PDo. New Scrip ••• 25 25 South Austral. Land 37 39 38 I I all Submarine Telegraph ••• 100 283 Van Diemen's Land 16 17 16 -- MARKET NE JJTS-(THIS DA COLONIAL. SUGAIL,—The demand has been limited both for export and home use. Still prices are not lower. There is no increase in the demand for duty-paid. Refined has been brisk for home-made goods. Brown grocery lumps 465. The quantity of British plantation landed last week at East and West India Docks was 1,453 hhds., 66 tierces, 514 barrels ; there were taken for home consumption 3,637 hhds., 206 tierces, 807 barrels. The stock in the same places is 12,791 hhds., 1,990 tierces, 4,407 barrels. COFFEE.—There has been more demand for plantation Ceylon, especially coloury sorts. Former terms are easily obtainable. Mocha is firm, but not much asked for. easily quantity landed last week at the East and West India Docks was 574 puns. 3 hhds. ; there were taken for home consumption 249 puns. 8 hhds., and ex ported 67 puns. 75 hhds. The stock in the same places is 9,207 puns. 448 hhds. RICE.—At auction 683 bags Bengal wore all taken in at 12s. to 12s. 6d. per cwt. The market is dull. TiLLow.—P. Y. C. is 525. 6d. per cwt. on the spot, and town 535. 6d. This article droops. TEA.--The demand for home consumption does not im prove, and the exports are trifling. HAY MARKETS. SIIITHFIELD.—OId meadow hay, 41 5s to 51 12s ; new ditto, 21 12s to 41 Os ; old clover, 51 Os to 61 Os ; new ditto, 3112 s to 4/ 15s ; and straw, 118 s to 1116 a per load. A moderate supply, and a sluggish demand. CIIMBERLAND.—OId meadow hay, 41 5s to 5/ 15s Od ; new ditto, 2/ 13s to 4/ Os ; old clover, 5/ Os to 6l Os ; new ditto, Si lOs to 4/ 15s ; and straw, 11 8s to 1/ 16s per load. Trade steady, at our quotations. WHITECHAPEL.-01d meadow hay, 41 4s to Si 12s; new ditto, 2115 s to 410 s ; old clover, 5/ Os to 6/ Os ; new ditto, 3110 s to 41 Os ; and straw, 1/ 8s to 1/ 16s per load. Supply moderately good, and trade rather dull. LLOYD'S SHIPPING.-(THIS DAY.) LONDON, Aug. O.—Wind this day at Noon, Easterly, and fine. M AR GATE, Aug. B.—Part of the stern of a French v essel has been passed this side of the Knock, by the Pan dora, arrived here. Ni- DEAL, Aug. B . —Wind, E. by N. Arrived.—Soven colao, Bahia. Aug. 9 (10 a.m.)—Wind, N.E. Sailed—WaverleY, COWES, Aug. 8. —Wins , variable. Sailed —Conquest, St. t h . Wave, eena ; Quebec ; Victory, Denmar k.i Civita Vecchia. Brown, Odessa. National, Bahia. PORTSMOUTH, Aug. B.—Wind, variable. Arrived— :lll(l;f W th i e t eh Isles, of H.M.'s et. Terrible, Westward ; st. Magicienne, Port—Held Channel. SOUTHAMPTON, Aug. B.—Arrived —Colville (s), Carentan. Sailed—Teviot (s), West Indies ; Madrid (s), G : ibraltar. BRISTOL, Aug. B.—Wind, E. Arrived.—Minnet, Ha vn,nnal. Sailed—ldas Demerara, •, Flora , Newfoundland. LIVERPOOL, Aug. B.—Wind, N.W. to W. Arrived — Furst, Alexandria ; Angelo, Constantinople. Sailed — Alice Gill Montreal Piscator, N ew foundland ; Chi , Malta , Washington, M elbourn e; . Robert Kitson , Cal cutta ; Mayflower, New Orleann ; W. V. Kent, Philadel phia ; Niagara, New York ; Countess of London, Quebec ; Fairy, Newfoundland ; Nassau Belle, Alexandria ; Fidget, Malaga. ibrail ; LTMINGTON, Aug. 6.—The Lady Dundas was in contact h SE eL L l,p p ia s i , off Lowestoft, July 23, with the Gleanor, of Woodbridge ; stove jolly-boat, and received other damage, Paolaiu, Salonica. Sailed—Bride, Quebec. _ GLOUCESTER, Aug. B.—Arrived—Ferosa Fortunate, Philadelphia F ug lBo . r—e B n.w . c — ein W adn i ,a nd wiiv.N W e7N . oov.L S N a A il em e w d . and Peter A u g. Tr „ Johansen, Riga. Sailed—Revolin, Odessa ; and York ; Johanna Christina, Riga ; Columbine, New TanCrOts Constantinople. --vYeAiklin.Rgatpoind: 1 2 i 72' 35 6 14i Ili li 69 9 12 60 i i 1i 2 li 1131 14 38 i 7, 9 it 8i 9, i 8 pm 1 , 1. x in THE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY EVENING, AUGUST 9, 1853. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. sense of their real position, which was that of tr ustees for the Crown, and not for a defunct company, and which also provided against corruption. Lord HARROWBY thought that both oaths were in sulting to the directors, who were called upon to give an obligation demanded of no other functionaries. Lord GRANVILLE proposed to re-consider the oath, and hring is forward again on the third reading. Clauses up to 20, inclusive, were agreed to. letters from Galatz, dated the 28th of July, in which no allusion whatever is made to such an occurrence. But certainly some allusions are made, which I shall not ad vert to, respecting a few gun boats brought down there, and the bellicose character of the general arrangements at that point. We have likewise received letters from Jassy of the 27th July, and from Bucharest of the 26th July, and no mention is made in them of this new form of government being established. It is perfectly true that the presence of the Russian troops there is alluded to as a hardship, and that the peasants are withdrawn from their agricultural operations, and made to do a certain amount of work ; but there is no mention of recruits being drawn from amongst them. Mention is made of a large amount of provisions being sent from Bessarabia, which is Russian territory, for the use or the Russian troops in the principalities. I therefore say, and I am sure your lordships will agree with me, that to have acted upon any such information as we have seen in the newspapers would have been premature, especially as some of the re ports referred to last week have already proved to be in correct. I can only say further, that my noble friend can not exceed me in his abhorrence of war and in his anxiety and desire for peace, provided that peace is an honour able peace. (Hear.) lam sure no other peace would ever be for the interests of this country, or receive the support of this great nation. (Hear.) But, my lords, I must say that, at the point at which we are arrived in these negotiations, when I do see reason to hope they are tending to a satisfactory and peaceful solution, ex citing debates in either House of Parliament are not likely to produce that peace, and that peculiar character of peace which would alone be beneficial to this coun try. (Hear.) I must inform my noble friend that the negotiations appear to have assumed exactly that cha racter which we all have most desired. (Hear.) This question has not been left as one simply between Russia and the Porte. It has not been left as one between England and France, united closely for supporting Tur key against Russia. It has assumed a European cha racter. (Hear.) It is not only the Porte, it is Austria, it is Prussia, it is France, it is England, acting together in order to check designs which they consider inconsistent with the balance of power, or those territorial limits established by previous agreement. This, I say, is a state of things which must be satisfactory to your lord ships and to the country, because it is likely to lead to a more satisfactory and more permanent conclusion. (Hear.) I think my noble friend will not press me to enter more into details as to the state of the negotiations now pending between Vienna and St. Petersburgh, when I assure him that nothing has been done at Vienna without the consent of the French and English Govern ments, and that the French and English Governments will consent to nothing which does not protect and se cure the independence of Turkey. (Hear.) The Earl of MALMESBURY said it was impossible to believe that when two countries of the importance and power of France and England stood forward in defence of a country like Turkey, and agreed upon a policy of action, that negotiations would close in anything prejudicial to the honour or credit of either of those great nations. He had no wish to embarrass her Majesty's Government, or to say one word which could in any manner, the most remote, in terfere with the negotiations now being carried on ; but there was a point at which the patience displayed by that side of the house could not be further extended. Parliament would be prorogued in the course of a wee k or ten days, and yet the public knew nothing of what had passed in the negotiations between this country and Russia. They were perfectly well informed with respect to the negotiations—or at least had a very fair idea of the negotiations between France and Russia from the circular of M. Drouyn de Lhuys, and they had been in formed by the same kind channel of so much of the policy of Russia as they could judge of from the two circulars of Count Nesselrode. At the same time, her Majesty's Government had not uttered a word or availed themselves of the same channels of information. He thought some explanation a little more detailed than that which the noble earl had given should be laid before Parliament before it separated for five or six months. He saw no reason why the opinion of Parliament on this important question should not be made known to this country and to foreign countries, without producing any debate which should interfere with the negotiations now being carried on. He could only say, if he par ticipated in the debate, he should refrain from saying a single syllable which might interfere with the desirable progress of those negotiations. He trusted under the present circumstances of the session, the noble earl would not refuse to give the country some idea of what he ex pected from the Russian Government—to tell them a little more plainly whether it was made a sine qua non that Russia should evacuate the Turkish provinces ; be cause when he talked of objections to a permanent occu pation, it was a phrase difficult to explain ; and it might be " permanent occupation " meant the appropriation of those provinces by Russia. He did not think this country would be satisfied with less than the speedy and complete evacuation of those provinces. (Hear, hear.) fhe Earl of CLARENDON—I should be very sorry if there existed the slightest misapprehension, even for a single day, with respect to my meaning with regard to the Russian occupation of the Danubian provinces. I have no hesitation now in informing lay n o ble friend, without waiting for any further discussion, th a t w e look to the immediate and complete evacuation of the Da nubian provinces as a sine qua non of any agreement whatever. (Hear, hear.) With respect to any discus sion, or any statement which it is desirable to make, I hope your lordships will bear in mind that the Govern ment have not wished to shrink from this discussion, or to lay the fullest information before Parliament of what has been done. I did n ot eve n ask my noble friend to postpone the motion o f which be had given notice for a future evening. I felt that if your lordships and the country were pleased to ask for it, you were perfectly right and justified in so doing, and the noble marquis, yielding to the request of the noble lord, did so inde pendent of the Government, and without even giving the Government notice of his intention. I hope, there fore, it will be remembered that the Government do not shrink from any discussion ; and any disposition I ever itt gr ea tl y i ncrea sed by th had in r ospfavourect _ f —of the close o f the session. Ido think it desirable the country sh ould have every information we can g ive oi fear that n o discussion quite so immediate a prospect it, and I can assure my noble friend, nothing will pre vent her Majesty's Government from doing so, except those reasons which have hitherto influenced them — regard for the public service—and which have been re cognised and approved by this house. (Hear, hear.) The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH begged to ask the noble earl, if her Majesty's Government had received any information of an arrangement 1, -1 which Russia had advanced large sums of money to Persia, and taken in part payment the province of Tieran. The Earl of CLARENDON—In answer to the noble earl, I have seen this report, as the noble earl has done, and I have taken the best means I can of verifying the facts, but as yet I have no official information on the subject. If I may draw inferences from other informa tion, I should say no such arrangement has been made. The Liberated Africans Bill, the Land Tax Redemp tion Bill, the Newspaper Stamp Duties Bill, and the Consolidated Annuities (Ireland) Bill were severally read a seoond time. GOVERNMENT OF INDIA BILL. The house then went into committee on this bill. On clause 1, Lord ALBEMARLE said that Parliament having as seated to the double government, it must be taken with all its enormous expense, but he suggested the doing away with the Governor and Council of Madras and Bombay, and the substitution of a lieutenant-governor. The clause was agreed to. On clause 2, Lord ELLENBOROUGH proposed an amendment, providing that if the Court of Directors should neglect to sign any document within a given time, the signature of an official of the Board of Control should suffice to make such document valid. After discussion it was agreed that the power of affix ng such signature should be conferred on commis- HOUSE OF LORDS—(YESTERDAY.) THE EASTERN QUESTION. The Marquis of CLANRICARDE then rose and said—My lords, I last week took the liberty of putting a question on the same subject to which I have again to call ye - dr lordships' attention. I received an answer upon that occasion from my noble friend, which I am pleased to say was quite satisfactory. But, my lords, unfortunately I am compelled almost to repeat the same question in consequence of information which has since been received. According to information which has ap peared in the public journals of this country, under date of "Jassy, 28th July," it appears that the government of that province has been entirely superseded, and a new government has been established by the authority of the Russian Emperor. It appears that the Hospodar is allowed to form part of the new government, but three assistants are named with him, and this council has the entire legislative and administrative government of those provinces. I believe the same course has been pursued in Wallachia as in Moldavia, and those provinces are now under a new administrative and legislative govern ment, appointed by the Emperor of Russia. But, my lords, that is not all. It appears that contributions for the support of the Russian forces are levied directly in those provinces, and that certain Boyards have been forcibly compelled to enlist in the service of the Russian Emperor. We have then these provinces, if these ac counts be correct, in every respect under the rule and government of the Czar ; the administrative and legisla tive functions are carried on under Russian authority ; the taxation and resources of the country are managed under Russian authority ; and, more than that, the Russian armies are recruited from the inhabitants of the country. Now, the first question which I have to ask my noble friend is, whether he has received any infor mation on this subject, either contradicting or confirm ing the state of things which I have just now stated. The second question—and it is one which very naturally occurs, and so naturally that I cannot refrain from putting it, even though I may be possibly thought in discreet in doing so—is one which lam sure every man in this country, and every member of either house of Parliament, is most anxious to receive information. What, if these facts are true, if they cannot be contra tradicted, what has the Government of this country done thereupon ? The question divides itself naturally into two parts—•what has been done here at home, and what has been done by the English functionaries abroad ? (Hear, hear.) I have very little doubt as regards the latter point, and I hope I shall be told there is very little reason to doubt that at the moment I have the honour of addressing your lordships the combined fleets are at last before Constantinople, the other side of the Dareaneiles. (Hear, hear.) I cannot imagine it pos sible that the ambassadors of France and England have any restriction to their discretion at present as to the directions they may give the admiral commanding the forces to which I have referred. Nor can I doubt for an instant that my noble friend and relative at Constan tinople will have thought right to act with spirit and energy, as becomes the representative of this great country. (Hear.) If I ask what has been done at home, I expect and hope I shall be told that either long before this intelligence was received, or since it has been received, there has been not a request for explanation, but a categorical demand that the Danubian principali ties shall be evacuated by the Russian forces. (Hear.) I say if we have undertaken and advised the Porte, so that the Porte holds her arm and has not attempted to defend her property, we have made ourselves parties to these transactions as well by what is doing now as by what has been done by formal treaties. I cannot be lieve, my lords, nor will I allow myself to believe, that these statements are in all respects correct ; because if it be true that Russia has assumed the government of those principalities, has taken possession of the terri tory, and committed this aggression upon Turkey, it is an entire contradiction to the circulars voluntarily issued to the Courts of Europe, as well as the manifesto, issued by the Russian general upon entering the provinces. I am not going to discuss that matter now, of which no tice has been given for a future evening ; but I must say I cannot doubt that the energetic steps to which I have adverted must have been taken upon these pro ceedings, which are the strongest possible proceed ings of war. I believe I told your lordships that when the Russian forces moved into those provinces the Russian general declared that it was not war with Turkey. What I have described is of the character of war, and if you do not say it is war, then I say it is piracy. (Hear.) It is war or piracy, and I want to know whether we are in a condition to suffer war upon such a pretext as is put forward, or to stand by and see an act of piracy committed upon Turkey 1 (Hear.) I say, if we are told it is a question of treaties whether the fleet shall go inside or outside the Dardanelles, a state of war has abolished all treaties between Russia and Turkey as far as Russia is concerned. (Hear.) There does not exist one treaty binding Turkey to Russia after such an aggression as I have described. There is no reason for not acting ; and what is the state of things at home ? We are told, by answers in either house of Parliament, "we have sent notes." You may send other notes ; and we are told another note was sent last Sunday or Monday from Vienna ; but while you are sending notes the Russian forces are advancing even beyond the principalities named, and are taking possession of territories nearer to Constantinople. We have had news to-day which I gladly term good news. The news in the papers is that the proposal has been received favourably at St. Petersburg. But we do not know what that proposal is, and before we can express our unqualified satisfaction we ought to know what that proposal has been. It cannot be tho proposal alluded to last week in the House of Commons, which to Eng land and France was satisfactory, because it only left Vienna on the Sunday or Monday. This good news is under advices from St. Petersburg of the 3d inst., and therefore it is utterly impossible, the proposal leaving Vienna on the Ist, it could have reached St. Petersburg by the 3d. The advices from St. Petersburg of the 3d inst. must relate to some Austrian proposition. We do not know what that was ; but I am sure, after what has passed, the houses of Parliament and the country will consider no proposition satisfactory, if it be not a propo sition for the immediate evacuation of the Turkish terri tory. Besides this good news, we have news of a different quality ; for it is stated that the Russian force in the flo tilla collected at Ismail has taken possession of the whole of the inner part of the river. This force consists of 200 boats, 150 being gun-boats. So we have not only an invasion of Moldavia and Wallachia, but while you are passing notes and sending couriers, we have an in vasion of Bulgaria, and the whole of that great river, the most important, perhaps, to the commerce of all Europe, taken possession of on both sides by Russian forces. These are things upon which, though wishing to wait with the utmost patience for explanations until convenient for the Government to make them, and wish ing not hastily to say one word which can excite the public mind on the subject, I find it impossible to re. frain from asking a question with the hope of obtaining a direct and very clear answer. I can assure your lord ships I believe there is no man in either house of Par liament who has a more sincere abhorence of war than I have, unless it be necessary—l do not say justifiable — but unless it be necessary for the honour and character, and essential to the dignity of this country. At the same time, if we are to sacrifice our honour and charac ter, then I say the whole material interests of the coun try must suffer. (Hear, hear.) It is therefore, my lords, that I have taken the liberty of making this statement before asking the question of which I have given notice. I wish to know—whether any official information has been received by her Majesty's Government, leading them to believe that the statement I have made is cor rect ; and if that is the case, what steps her Majesty's Government have taken, or propose to take, in conse quence of the proceedings of the Russian authorities ? The Earl of CLARENDON—My lords, I am afraid it will not be in my power to give my noble friend any answer which materially differs from that which I gave him five days ago to the same question. I agree en tirely now, as I did last week, in everything which has fallen from my noble friend with respect to the con sequences which will arise, both to Turkey and to Europe, from any permanent occupation or anything re sembling a permanent occupation of the principalities by Russia. But I must again inform my noble friend that we have no official information of the character which he has now brought before this house. lam not certainly prepared to deny that many of the acts to which he has alluded may have been committed by the Russian Go vernment. I have derived my information merely from the same sources as my noble friend, and in that way it is stated that there has been a sort of committee of go vernment formed for carrying on the business of the principalities together with the Hospodars. But we have no information whatever of that kind, and I am sure my noble friend will agree with me, and I am sure your lordships will also be of opinion, that for her Majesty's Government to act upon reports at they arise would be the height of rashness ; yet in no other way could we have proceeded in carrying out the measures to which my noble friend has adverted. My noble friend has said he believes the Danube has been crossed, and Bulgaria invaded. I have no reason to believe such is the fact, but the contrary, because I have this afternoon received On clause 21, Lord ELLENBOROUGH expressed his hope that a competent member of council acquained with home business would be appointed to aid the Governor-Gene ral ; and he spoke strongly of the ignorance of such business and want of habits of dispatch prevalent in India. The clause was agreed to. On clause 22. Lord ELLENBOROUGH moved the omission of the word which was limited to a selection from the " civil" service the Governor-General's appointment of two members of the Legislative Council. Lord BROUGHTON agreed that the Governor ought not to be fettered ; that he had doubts about the work ing of the council, which would become a little parlia ment, and which would, he thought, diminish the autho rity of the Governor-General in the eyes of the natives. Another danger arose from the impossibility of keeping anything secret in India, even the most important dis patch, the contents of which almost invariably oozed out as it was. If we were beginning to govern India in a new way, the experiment could not stop where it was now proposed that it should. Lord WHARNCLIFFE also thought it objectionable to place the Governor-General under the control of a council Lord GRANVILLE assented to the reoval of the word "civil, which was done, and the clause was agreed to. Clauses up to 29 inclusive were agreed to. On claus 30, Lord ELLENBOROUGFI moved, as an amendment, that the C o mmander-in -Chief of the Forces should be ex officio a member of the Council. The amendment, after a brief discussion, was nega tived, and the clause was agreed to, as were clauses up to 35 inclusive. On clause 36 (reFerring to Haileybury College), Lord MONTEAGLE expressed his belief that a mere exa mination woul prove n unsatisfactory test of merit, and that incompetent a candidates would succeed by the process of cramming. Lord GRANVILLE said that it would be disgrace ful to the college if youths who had had a special educa tion there could not, nine times out of ten, beat any one who bad been merely crammed. The clause was agreed to. Clauses up to 39 were agreed to. Lord MONTEAGLE moved the insertion of a clause providing that there should be no distinction between covenanted and uncovenanted servants. He desired to ensure the admission of natives to employment. Lord GRANVILLE said that tha proposed clause was framed to contend with an imaginary Indian would evil. Under the present measures, the native-born be admitted to employment if he could show himself duly qualified. The amendment was negatived, and the succeeding clauses were agreed to up to 43 inclusive. On 44 (the new claus e relating to the salt monoemned this poly), Lord ELLENBOROUGH strongly cond novel interference with the financial system of India. He opposed it on principle, but also believed that it would not produce the benefits which were anticipated to the importer. He hoped that their lordships would strike the clause out of the bill. India ought to be treated as a perfectly independent country in matters of finance. Lord ALBEMARLE cited statistics to show the stateto TT salt,hh eeoremaining deprivationat Crimeuh idn b s g u os s ap. t e a d i nd that b y the the native authorities i Ind i a d g a b r d e instruct Thecl e a d u s b e y w t a h nsd e cs H ltaoru o uus ra ctekras e ogwuGeetroee:lfetrrthehnaemennebdani)gltlr.Betedoill alleviate this to , was and passed the t h h o rTuoshueeg resumed. h o e t s h u e m r e b d i committee.lbills o n The Turnpike Acts the Co p n a t p in er ua w n e c r e e (Ireland) advaneed B a il s l ta a g m e s read a second time. and their lordships adjourned at a few minutes after half-past twelve. HOUSE OF COMMONS---(YESTERDAY.) The house re-assembled at six o'clock. PETITIONS. Mr. POTTER presented a petition from Limerick agains the bill for settling the question of Ministers' money in Ire land. Mr. M`CA NN presented a similar petition from Drogheda. Sir J. SHELLEY gave notice that he would to-morrow (this day) moved for leave to bring in a bill for the estab lishment of a Metropolitan Board of Sewers, and for other purposes connected therewith. He would make that mo tion solely for the purpose of having the bill printed before the recess. THE WORK OF THE SESSION. On the motion of Mr. BROTHERTON, the following returns were ordered to be produced " Returns of the number of private bills introduced and brought from the House of Lords, and of acts passed in the present session, classed according to the following subjects : Railways ; roads and bridges ; waterworks ; ports ; piers ; harbours and docks ; canals and navigations ; churches, chapels, and burying-grounds ; paving, lighting, and im• proving ; gaols and other county buildings ; inclosures ; small debt courts ; and all other bills and acts : Of all the private bills which, in the present session, have been treated as opposed bills ; specifying those which have been classi fied in groups by the committee of selection; together with the names of the selected members who served on each com mittee; the first and also the last day of the sitting of each committee ; the number of days on which each committee sat ; the number of days on which each selected member has served ; the bills the preambles of which were reported to have been proved; the bills the preambles of which were reported to have been not proved ; the bills referred back to the committee of selection, as having become un opposed ; and the bills withdrawn or not proceeded with by the parties : and of all private bills which in the pre sent session have been referred by the committee of selec tion to the chairman of the committee of ways and means ; together with the names of the members who served on each committee, the number of days on which each com mittee sat, and the number of days on which each member attended. " Divisions of the House—Return of the number of di visions of the House of Commons in the present session ; stating the subject of division and the number of mem bers in the majority and minority, tellers included; also, the aggregate number in the house on each division, dis tinguishing the divisions on public business from private, and also the number of divisions before and after mid night (in continuation of Parliamentary paper No. 574, of session 1852). " Acts of Parliament—Return of the total number of acts passed in each session since the year 1800, distinguish ing the number of public, private, and local and personal acts, and the number relating to Great Britain, England, Scotland, and Ireland, and those relating to the United Kingdom. "Petitions for Private Bills—Returns of all petitions for private bills deposited in the Private Bill Office of the House of Commons for the present session; with the name and address of the agents respectively who have deposited the same. " Public Committees—Return of the number of public committees appointed in the present session, their sub jects, and the names of members appointed, and their chairman ; the number of days on which each committee sat, and the number of days on which each member served on each committee. "Business of the House—Returns of the number of each of the following motions which have been made in the house before the order of the day and notices have been disposed of, or in any committee of the whole house, in the sessions 1849, 1850, 1852, and 1852-3, viz. :-1. That this house do now adjourn. 2. That this house, at its rising, will adjourn till Monday next, or any future day. 3. That a debate be now adjourned. 4. That a chairman of a committee of the whole house do report progress. 5. That the chairman do now leave the chair. And distin guishing in each class the number of such motions which were withdrawn, negatived, or agreed to by the house or the committee, and the number upon which there were divisions. " Sittings of the House.—Return of the number of days on which the House of Commons sat in the present ses sion, stating, for each day, the date of the month and the day of the week, the hour of meeting, and the hour of adjournment ; and the total number of hours occupied in the sittings of the house, and the average time ; and also showing the number of hours on which the house sat each day, and the number of holm after midnight ; and the number of entries in each day's votes and proceedings (in continuation of Parliamentary paper, No. 576, of session 1852). " Public Bills.—Alphabetical list of the public bills which have been introduced into the House of Commons during the present session, stating by whom introduced, or which have been brought from the House of Lords ; the dates of their several stages in this house, and dis tinguishing those which have since become law (in con tinuation of Parliamentary paper, No. 575, of session 1852)." Sir H. WILLOUGHBY moved for the following re- turns " Savings Banks.—Return, in contin ua tion of the Bar liamentary No. 12, of session, 1852, g iving, under the head No. 1, the altered form of classification of depositors' balances, as rendered by the banks to the national debt commissioners for 1851 and 1852 ; and, under head N showing in addition to the detailed statements there given, the aggregate amount of stocks and securities sold and pur chased by the commissioners on account of savings banks, for each of the years 1851 and 1852, ending on the 20th day of November. " Savings Banks.—Return, in continuation of Parlia mentary paper, No. 214, of session, 1852, showing in ad dition to the detailed statements thereon ven, the awe gate amounts under column to 1 to cmn 6 inclusive, for each of the years 1851 and 1852, ending on the 20th day of November, and giving under column 5 a detailed account of the i n cidental expenses defrayed b th e y the MI,. tonal debt commissi one rs out of the funds of savings banks." _ sioners. The clause was agreed to. On clause 3, Lord ELLENBOROUGH moved that the time for the appointment of the Government directors should be extended, in order to see what men would be appointed by the Court, and he also proposed to alter the number of three to that of six. After discussion these amendments were negatived, and the clause was agreed to, as were clauses 4 and 5, On clause 6, Lord ELLENBOROUGH proposed that all retired officers of twenty years' service in India should have votes in the election of directors. This would add about 1,250 votes, and make the whole constituency 3,000 a number which he defied any one to canvass. The Duke of ARGYLL reminded their lordships that they had already agreed to carry on the government of India by means of the company, which consisted only of its stockholders. Government had not proposed to create a new constituency, which would be done by Lord Ellenborough's amendment. After some discussion this amendment was negatived, and the clauses agreed to. Clause 7 to 12 inclusive were agreed to. On clause 13 (that imposing the director's oath), Lord ELLENBOROUGH objected that the oath was carlessly framed, and that although a director swore that he would not take any emolument, he did not pledge himself not to take any promise of e molument, and also objected to the oath to support the Company's Govern dee dr p e an q e t u u a ea l al t tl y o h r prepared p ea a np r all Govern ment. violated,e n m t e . ni T ea h rn e odf last wp a ge r s clause, ionntse,nadhe " ed t at o los b ob e es dd He f n e eu of his own, which would bring the parties taking it to a Agreed to. Sir G. PECHELL moved for a return of the number of visitors admitted to see the apartments and pictures at Ham pton Court and the g a rdens at Kew, during the years 1851 and 1852, distinguishing the number in each month (in continuation of Parliamentary paper, No. 685, of ses sion 1851). —Agreed to. TURKEY AND RUSSIA. Sir J. WALMSLEY said—l have to put a question to the noble lord the member for London, upon a subject which is deeply interesting to the people of this country generally, but more especially to the mercantile classes, and which I believe also very nearly concerns the dignity and the responsibility of every member of this house. The question I have to ask of the noble lord is, whether her Majesty's Government will, previously to the prorogation of Parliament, submit to the House of Commons, a state ment of the existing relations between this country, Tur key, and Russia, touching the aggressive attitude assumed by Russia towards the Sublime Porte, and whether they will appropriate a day for the expression of the opinion of the how upon that =portent imbieot: Lord J. RUSSELL.—In answer to the hon. gentleman ing, namely, to an acco unt that has b een received of the I hare to state, with respect to his first question, that be- I aeceptancely the Emperor of Russia of certain propo fore the prorogation of Parliament, I will give such infor- sitions presented to him from what I may call a congress mation on the subject of the existing relations between of the great powers sitting at Vienna. The noble lord (J. Russia and Turkey as I may think consistent with my Russell) holds out no prospect that these papers will be sense of public duty. In answer to the second question of laid on the table, or that opportunity will be afforded for the hon. member, I cannot say that I think it would be discussing this important subject--(hear, hear)—and con advisable for the public interest that in the present state . sidering the month, and the date of the month, I am not of the negociations between Russia and Turkey there surprised that the noble lord should have indulged in these should be any day devoted to a general discussion of that observations. I wish to know, considering this particular subject. (Hear, hear.) circumstance, whether the noble lord has any objection to Lord D. STUART.—A rumour of the most important state the nature of the propositions which have been ac character has been circulated in the public prints of to- cepted by the Emperor of Russia? (Hear, hear.) day. I allude to the rumour that the Emperor of Russia Lord J. RUSSELL—I cannot at present state what has agreed to certain proposals which have been submitted propositions have been made to the Emperor of Russia. to him by the different powers of Europe for the adjust- Before the prorogation of Parliament, however, I will ment of the differences between Russia and Turkey. I give all the information I possess consistent with my duty. wish to ask whether the noble lord can state that there is I will not now anticipate that information ; but state at 1 ; any truth in that rumour, and that we are now nearer to that time as much as is in my power and consistent with a cific solution of that question t han we were afe w days the welfare of the public service. (Hear, hear.) p a The subject then dropped. ago. Lord J. RUSSELL—In answer to the question of my PUBLIC BUSINESS. noble friend, I have to state that there is a foundation for Lord J. RUSSELL—I wish to state it is not our lams i the rumour to which he has alluded—(hear, hear)—and that tion to proceed with the Metropolitan Sewers Bill this we have just received a dispatch from her Ma j est y 's minis- evening. We will take it to-morrow eve n i ng . Th e Re ! at Vienna, which is of a very satisfactory nature. (Hear.) gistra don of Assurances Bill has been befor e a comm itt ee, The answer which has been received f r om the Court of St. andit has been recommended by them that a commission Petersburg is in reply to the first proposal which was should be appointed on the subject. We th ere f ore con agreed to at Vienna. I have further t o state that the sider that this bill should not be further proceeded with messenger who was to have gone to Constantinople, and at present. who, as I said on a former occasion, would leave Vienna on the 31st of July, did not actually leave Vienna until the 2d of August ; so that the reply from Constantinople cannot be received as soon as it was at first expected. Sir DE LACY EVANS—WiII the noble lord communi cate the promised information at such a time as will enable the house to discuss the question ? Lord J. RUSSELL— I beg to explain that what I said was that I would give such information as it would be in my power to give consistently with my sense of public duty ; and I think that it will be more satisfactory that I should give that information the latest moment before the prorogation of Parliament. SUPPLY. The house then went into a committee of supply—Mr. Bouverie in the chair. On the sum of 407,6671. being proposed to defray the expenses of Government prisons and convict establishments at home. Mr. HUME rose to ask whether any plan had b een adopted for the carrying out of secondary punishments? Lord J. RUSSELL suggested, that it would be better to defer any discussion on the subject till the question came before them on the second reading of the Transporta tion Bill to-morrow. The vote was then agreed to. THE MILITIA. On the sum of 478,740 1 . being proposed to defray the expenses of the militia in Great Britain and Ireland, Mr. S. HERBERT said, he would take that opportunity of saying that, according to the last returns, the militia amounted to 62,000 men. The amount of the vote was larger than was absolutely necessary, but it was necessary to make allowances for all contingencies. There would, have to be deducted from the vote about 100,0001. for the old militia staff, and for non-effective men dying off. He of complimenting the right would take that opportuni t y hon. gentleman opposite (Mr. Walpole) on the complete success of his bill for embodying the militia. (Hear.) I n every part of the country the authorities had borne testi mony to the good conduct of the men, and experienced officers had been surprised at their excellent discipline in so short a period, a circumstance which reflected great credit on the colonels and other officers. After a few words from Col. SIBTHORP, Mr. BRIGHT wished to know if it was intended to in crease the militia to 80,000 ? The noble lord, the S ecretar y for the Hom e D epar tment, had given the weight of his authority to the statement that 60,000 Frenchmen were likely to land on these shores. He supposed that the 80,000 militiamen were necessary to be raised to meet them. (A FrenchAlau laugh.) officers Now that onh oaArddmhiirs shipalDunatdatshehDadararae: nelles,andthat Queen Victoria's had ictori he a e 's n h d e r a a l uk th, w a i n th d e t n h t a h t u o s f ia t s h m e , Emperor of the French,they w and as it was not lik e ly that were to as have a Russian war—he wished to kn ow if th e _ to the point stated? It appeared, f rom what t o h b ad e increased reeently taken place, that men could be m a d e very efficient soldiers in 28 days—such, at least, was said to be the case—for he was no judge on the subject—(No, from Col. SibthorP ) (a laugh) — and this being so , he begged to repeat his ques tion, whether the militia force was to be increased from 60,000 to 80,000, and the country be subsequently put to the expense of 400,0001. or 500,0001. a-year, depriving the Chancellor of the Exchequer of the opportunity of still further relieving the burdens of the country? He begged, in conclusion, to know, what course the Government in tended to pursue in this matter? Mr. S. HERBERT said it was true that the militia had shown a great desire to learn the duties of soldiers; but still it was not possible that they could be as efficient as was to be desired after a drill of 28 days. It was the in tention of the Government to proceed with the enlistment for the militia. The act gave them the power to raise 80,000 men, but, taking into account the ineffective, the number to be raised would not exceed 75,000 men. With respect to the amiabilities which had taken place between the French and English officers referred to, he was not aware that that was a reason why this country should re frain from the duty of placing the defences of the country in an efficient state. It was the duty of the Government to provide an efficient force for the country, and not allow its numbers to be sent up and down according to circum stances. (Hear, hear.) They ought to have a sufficient force for the purposes of the country, irrespective of our relations with foreign countries. (Hear, hear.) The in crease in the expenses of the country on account of the ad dition to be made to the military would not be very great. After a few words from Mr. BRIGHT, Mr. S. HERBERT, and Col. SIBTHORP, Mr. J. DUCKWORTH bore testimony to the efficiency and character of the militia, and said that he thought barrack accommodation ought to be provided for the militia. The billetting system was objectionable in every respect. It was inconvenient to the soldiers, and was equally so to the licensed victuallers of the town in which they might be quartered. Mr. HUME deprecated the whole system of the militia, and said it was especially objectionable at that moment, when there was no cause whatever for an increase in the defences of the country. Mr. WALPOLE reminded the hon. gentleman that the militia teas not raised on the ground of any fear of a foreign invasion, but Government after Government had recommended the formation of such a force, as being a desirable means of defence for the country. That was the ground upon which the militia force was raised. Mr. S. HERBERT, in reply to Colonel Dunne, said that by law the towns and counties were obliged to provide efficient stores for arms. After a few words from Colonel NORTH and Colone SIBTHORP, Mr. LAING said he did not see any reason for increasing) the number of men in the militia. He should like to place upon record his opposition to the increase. Mr. HUME complained of the increase in our army, which was stronger than that of France when the amount of the population of each country was considered. Our army was 385,000 strong, while that of France was 425,000. Mr. V. SMITH asked what care was to be taken to have efficient officers as superior officers of the militia ? After a few words from Sir J. SHELLEY, Mr. S. HERBERT said that care should be taken by providing that there should be a colonel and lieutenant colonel commandant ; and when the militia were stationed in a town where there was a regiment of the line, the co lonel of the regiment of the line would take the command ; a nd in respect to the question put by Sir J Shelley, care would be taken that an officer holding a permanent ap pointment abroad, should not hold a commission in the militia. The vote was agreed to. The house resumed, and the report was brought up. DUTY ON MALT. On the motion for going into committee of ways and means. Mr. LAYARD—Am I to understand that there will be a discussion of the question before the proragation? Lord J. RUSSELL—As far as the Government are con cerned, it is not their opinion that it is desirable there should be a discussion. (Hear, hear.) Mr. FRENCH asked the Chief Commissioner of Woods whether any intention exists in his department to deprive the Irish representative of those facilities of reference and communication hitherto afforded by the existing Irish establishment in Queen-street, by removing from it the Irish records and officials, to make way for some subordi nate department of English administration ? Sir W. MOLESWORTH replied that a complaint had been made of a want of sufficient accommodation at the Irish establishment in Queen-street, and the Board of Works had under their consideration a proposal for a removal of that inconvenience. But no kind of determi nation had yet been come to in the matter. If the Irish records and officials should be removed, due care would be taken to provide for the facilities of reference and commu nication on the part of the Irish members. In reply to a question from Sir J. WALMSLEY, Lord J. RUSSELL said that the minute of the Com mittee of Council on the subject of the building of schools would soon be produced. THE REVIEW OF THE FLEET AT SPITHEAD. Mr. OLIVEIRA said he wished to put a question to the right hon. baronet the First Lord of the Admiralty. It was well known that a grand review of the fleet at Spit head was to take place on Thursday next, and he under stood that it was the intention of the authorities at the Admiralty to afford facilities to members of Parliament for assisting at that interesting spectacle. He wished to ask the right hon. baronet what was to be the extent of those facilities, and whether hon. members would have an opportunity of taking their ladies with them ? Sir J. GRAHAM—The question which the hon. gentle man has put to me is hardly of a Parliamentary—(a laugh)—or of an official character; but the house will, perhaps, pardon me if I give the best answer in my power to that question. I have received her Majesty's commands to place at the disposal of each of the two houses of Par liament a ship of war for that occasion. Acting in obedi ence to these commands, and seeing that this house is composed of a larger number of members than the other, the ship placed at the disposal of the members of the House of Lords is one of 950 tons, and somewhere about 280 horse-power, while the ship placed at the disposal of the members of this house is one of nearly 1,200 tons and 500 horse-power. There will be employed at the review about 30 ships of war, and with that number there will be very few ships which can be appropriated to the accommodation of any portion of the public. The ship to be placed at the disposal of the members of this house will contain, I believe, about 200 gentlemen. But I have to add that those members who wish to be present on the occasion will have an opportunity of putting down their names, and if to-morrow, at four o'clock, it should appear that there are a greater number of those names than 200, I will endeavour to provide additional accommodation. (Hear, hear.) I think that the house will agree with me that if provision is made for the accommodation of members themselves, it can hardly be expected that any should be made for their ladies. (Hear, hear.) I am afraid that greater difficulty will be found in providing means of conveyance for per sons anxious to assist at the review, from London to Ports mouth, than in providing ship accommodation for them at the latter place, But arrangements have been [made by which a special train will be provided for the conveyance of members of the two houses of Parliament. That train will leave the Waterloo station at an hour so early on Thursday morning, that I am almost afraid to mention it. (A laugh.) It will leave at half-past six o'clock, and will arrive at Portsmouth at about half-past nine o'clock. I believe that ample accommodation will thus be provided for the members of the two houses of Parliament. Mr. HUME—The next best thing would be to provide that the railway should take them free. (A laugh.) Sir J. GRAHAM.—The arrangement will be the very reverse. Each member will pay for himself. (A laugh.) Captain SCOBELL.—WiII there be a special return train for members of Parliament ? Sir J. GRAHAM—Yes. THE DEBATE ON THE NUNNERIES QUESTION. Lord J. RUSSELL moved that on Wednesday next the Government orders of the day should have precedence until three o'clock. Mr. BOUVERIE said he thought it would be better that the Government orders should have precedence throughout the whole of the day, and that the words " until three o'clock " should be omitted from the motion. Mr. NEWDEGATE said he regretted to find that the noble lord proposed to appropriate to government business the only day in the week which remained at the disposal of independent members. (Hear, hear.) The result of the adoption of that motion would be, that it would be impos sible for them to have a decision at all in the present ses sion upon that question of the nunneries which had already been so frequently under their consideration. He had no hesitation in saying that he should prefer the proposal of the hon. member for Kilmarnock to that of the noble lord, because while it could only lead to the same result, it was one of a fairer and a more reasonable character. But he should be no party to what he considered would be a most unjust interference with the ordinary course of business in that house ; and he should, therefore, take the sense of the house against the motion of the noble lord. Mr. CHAMBERS said that there would be less diffi culty in acceding to the proposal of the noble lord, if he would afford facilities for the termination of that discus sion on some other day. An hon. member, who, like him, had brought before the house a question of that character, had serious responsibility imposed upon him, and could not consent to the indefinite postponement of the decision of the house with respect to it (Hear, hear.) Lord J. RUSSELL said, that the ground of his motion was, that they were then in August and not in February or March. It was manifestly desirable that they should then proceed with that business only which they could really conclude ; and he need hardly say that a motion for a select committee on the condition of nunneries could lead to no result at the present advanced period of the session. The hon. member for Hertford should recollect that they had not then to discuss the bill he had introduced ; for the motion for the second reading of that bill had been set aside by the decision of a majority of the house. (Hear.) Mr. SPOONER would prefer the whole subject were postponed to having it brought forward at 3 o'clock in the afternoon. He altogether dissented from the views of the noble lord • and ho should say these were mere attempts on the part of the noble lord (J. Russell) to put a stop to a discussion which he dared not meet. (Loud cries of " hear, hear," from the Opposition.) The noble lord had o f:his vacillation on these points. hear) — a not enter their lately given evidence (Hear, hear.) The Charitable Trusts exempted from Catholics—(hear, oushil (Hear, hear.) Was this course consistent with convents." inqui ry andth e nobleaall beqluordestns o o w f Roman y the spirit lately shown, the spirit which dictated the fa mous Durham letter. (Cheers, and cries of " Oh, oh.") Was this course consistent with the language employed by the noble lord on the occasion of the motion of the hon member for M a y o to despoil the I r i s h Ch urch of its te raut i es h oped (Cheers from . the Opp os iti on .) H e hop ron. friend wou ld take the se nse of the house on the his ques tion- (Cheers.) Mr. HUME suggested the postponement of the question until after full inquiry by a committee. Mr. HUTT doubted the sincerity of the hon. gentleman the member for Warwickshire, in bringing forward the question at the present p er i o d, w h en nearly half inde pendent members had l e ft t own . (Hear, h the , ear.) Mr. LUCAS could assure hon. gentlemen that h e or hi s friends did not shrink f rom di sc ussion they were an x i ous t o h ave the subject; on th e con t rary, the house. O ne reason why he brought before wished the su bj ec t t o b e brought on was , th a t h e mihtg call on the hon. member for North Warwickshire to account for by him in th a t h ouse , in certain speeches made which he charged h on . gen tl emen with whom he 'Mr. ' k . Lucas) acted with unparliamentary proceedings. (Hear, hear.) Mr. NEWDEGATE rose, but was met with loud cries of " Chair" and " Order." The SPEAKER intimated to the hon. gentleman that he should confine his observations to matters of explanation. MA merely NEWDEGATE said he intended - to explain. On the occasion referred to by the hon. gentleman (Mr. Lucas), he (Mr. Newdegate) merely quoted the speech of Dr. at a dinner in Ireland, as also the speech of the hon. member for Mayo. Mr. BOUVERIE thought no gentleman present believed that if the debate were taken on Wednesday it could be terminated on that day. What was the use, then, in en tering upon it? Mr. MAGUIRE was most anxious for the full discussion of this subject, oven on the 10th of August, as an op o r f - tunity would be afforded of d ealin g with the statementseso much those gentlemen who had allowed themselves to b led away by their imagination. The house then divided— For the original motion. ... 52 jority for ...... Against ............................... Ma TURKEY AND RUSSIA. Mr. DISRA ELI rose and said,—l take this opportu nity of making inquiry with respect to q tie s a has been *dilated to already in the earl? p a r t of this ersa Mr. EDWARD BALL moved, " That, in the opinion of this house, the duty on malt toperatea injuriously to the community at large ; that it greatly tends to in crease the cost of animal and cereal food ; that it pro motes drunkeness, by withholding beer from the la bourer in his work, and driving him to the public-house ; and that, therefore, it is expedient that the excise regu lations relative to malt be relaxed." Having alluded to his previous efforts on this subject, when a motion for the reduction of the malt duty was defeated in consequence of the Chancellor of the Exchequer speaking against time, and thereby enabling Ministers to muster their forces, the hon. gentleman said he never contemplated the total re peal of the duty, but in his opinion some relaxation of the duty towards the producer was a fair and reasonable pro position—one that would be regarded as a boon by the agricultural body, and would prove in a very slight dogeee detrimental to the revenue of the Chancellor of the Exche quer, while it would confer a benefit on society at large. Meat was now dear, but if the malt duty was reduced, the farmers could produce meat at a cheap rate, successfully compete with the foreign feeder, and place the food of the people before the people much cheaper than they were now able to procure it. The farmers ought to be permitted to prepare their malt in the way they thought best, and to use barley in whatever manner they pleased. They were the best judges of that which fattened animals. At such seasons as thepresent there was a large quantity of iuferiorbarley ; but it was well known that it did not pay the expenseof malting while it was charged the sam e amolst e.y o e_ fd o sift&lebest quality. and to the same excise restrictions as b u a It should be borne in mind, in considering this question, that there existed no longer a redundancy of labour, but quite the reverse. Strikes for an increasedlrate of wages were general, and with no class of labourers was the amount of remuneration smaller than with the labourers in the field, who were obliged to work at all hours and in all weathers, and to whom cheap, good beer, at his own fireside, would be matter of great advantage. In carrying out the prin ciples of fr ee t ra d e, it was the duty of Government to per mit British farmers the same amount of freedom which foreigners enjoyed. The approaching harvest, he feared, would be seriously defective. The yield of wheat pro mised to be not only bad in average but deficient in quan tity from the effects of blight. For these reasons he was particularly anxious that the reduction of duty and other relaxations for which he contended should be made, believ ing that if his request were acceded to it would be the means of keeping our labourers ou our own soil, and of spreading contentment and plenty throughout the land. Mr. SPOONER seconded the motion. Mr. CAYLEY expressed his full concurrence in the state ments of the hon. member for Cambridgeshire. Indeed,rehe. conceived his arguments were so unanswerable that he 0 , commended the right hon. gentleman the Chancell7, ~E .l the Exchequer not to attempt answering them, for,___: did so, notwithstanding his great ability . and a r r He ingenuity, he would be certain to fail. alig n ' ' hoped, however, that between this andne subject into right hon. gentleman would take the whole l of the comes t s ession the consideration, and endeavour to snake s u on so &early shown sions, the advantage of which had been , by the hon. member for Cambrid.,geciihiEQ UEß assured his The CHANCELLOR of the E . K hon. friend that he had not the sleohftetshteihntoenn.tmioenmobfeervfeonr endeavouring to answer the speec t Cambridgeshire, and fo r amon g other reasons it t had been already answered i n , a nticipation. Hon. gentle. men were aware that what he had to say on this subject had been said by him on a former occasion—(laughter)— and though, generally speaking, he thought it very bad taste for a member to praise his own speeches, still, he conceived he had eminent reason to be satisfied with the result of his advocacy, It was admitted by the hon. mem ber for C a mbridgeshire, that if a division had taken place on the occasion alluded to, before he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) addressed the house, the motion for reducing the duty would have been carried ; but that such was the force of his reasoning ,his simplicity— (laughter)—and perfect ingenuity, that by the time he came to the close of his ob servations, there was a majority against the proposal. (Laughter.) After circumstances such as these, he could not, with the greatest possible respect for the hon. member for Cambridgeshire, renew the controversy, or reiterate ar guments which had already proved so successful, but he would promise to give the subject all the consideration that had been asked for it. After a few remarks from Mr. SPOONER and Sir J. SHELLEY. I.lr, BALL withdrew his motion, esproPia& bimAtif *,` ia qUet 74.0 31 i li 2 10A i., , i r ---- 7 41 1 ..:d par 2i p 341 14i1 9i 18 p 49 46 38 is 21 1141 1031 2f f 12 28 i