The Sun. — London, England, 1801-02-11 00:00:00

• •7 ful, ' , sage alluded to the current reports of the change' in the Cabinet Council, and which, he 'observed,. were said 'to proceed from grounds which greatly agg r avated the alarming state of the Country. • The Noble Earl, we conceive, here alluded to the agitation of the Catholic ques tion, and stated, that certain persons had pro posed to do that which the boldest Ministers heretofore shrunk from. He then generally ad verted to the state of Ireland, which, he called, a dreadful one, and requiring the utmost caution with resped 'to the administration of its affairs, lest, ne gala, circumstances snouiti arise tnat would render that which their Lordships had seen with regard. to that Country, nothing in comparison to what they should see. He depre cated in every point of view, the discussion of the Noble ,Earl's Motion at present, and particularly some of the topics which would necessarily arise from it. He also adverted to the absence of Mi nisters, and observed, that allowing the Motion to be necessary, there could ,be no fair objeaion to postponing it for'a short time. Lord GRENVILLE, wish had recentlrenter , ed the House,' adverted in the outset of his ad_ dress to their Lordships, to the difficulties under which he rose, having heard but a small part of what had passed before he came in.—With resped to what he conceived of the question at present before the House, he thought the Motion, and _ for reasons which he had heard stated, had better be postponed to a future day. • On that head, he should not have troubled their Lordships, nor have risen to address them, were he non impress- ed with the most lively feelings of personal duty, to himself and to the House, to come forward and state some important circumstances relative to the situation in which he then stood, and in which his imperious sense of duty to his Sove reign, his God, and his Country, had placed him. At the same time, he deprecated all premature discussions, and allusions to questions of the ut most political importance and delicacy, as tend. ing. to increase any dangerous circumstances in which the Country might be placed,' and to which of course he, and those with whom he acted, could - not be supposed to,contribute. His Lord ship then proceeded to state, that he, in con junetion with certain of his colleagues in the Councils of His Majesty, some who had scats in that, and .others in the Commons House ofParlia ment, had felt it their duty to solicit the KING'S permission to retire frOm situations of trust and high public imporsance, which, for some time, they have had the honour of filling upon grounds, which he was confident nalionest man could deem . censurable. It proceeded, we understoOd his Lordship to state, from a difference of opinion respedieg advice offered by them for taking steps for the adoption or a great National Measure, !,'Which they conceived would Opetate to the ad vantage of the People at large. In consequence of which, they no longer continued to fill those situations they had for some time held, and per ceiving tho: could no longer do so with the hope of advantage to the'Couni ry, they had requested, the KING to dispense with their farther services. At this moment, they considered themselves as holding their offices only until their Successors could be regularly appointed. They should retire - under the fall and consolatory conviction that they had uidformly , and conscientiously dig-' charged their duties to their King and Country in periods of unprecedented difficulty and distress ; they retired with the warmest feelitigs of grati " tude for the kindness 'at d support they had uni formly received from that Houk, Parliament, and' the Country at large. They were desirous to prove to Parliament and to the Country, • that' they were not unworthy of - that confidence and support by a steady adherence to those prin. ciplet'; which' first created, and had' scrupidously .ginded their cOndud while in office. They should cheerfully support their Successors in Office so , ' long as by them the King's Government was ad ministered upon the same principles they had ' themselSes aded, and, in that ,view, they would :seriously recommend and advise their Lordships to continue their confidence and support, es sentially necessary to the s e welfare, nay, to the sal. varion of the Country. In the concluding part of his address the Noble Lord spoke with great feeling and 'effed, respeding the situation in • 'which he and those,of his Colleagues to whom he 'alluded then stood, and adverting to the conside ration, that with whatever ability or success they had served their King and Country, they had at least served with 'uprightness and integrity. Thi,Earl of MOIRA contended, that no solid argument had been advanced for postponing the Motion, at the .same time not meaning to press _for its immediate discussion. He recolleded that a Motion of nearly a similar tendency had been postponed towards the close of a certain late Ad ministration, but it was upon grounds very dif ferent !torn these urged' in the present instance. ' In the former case, the Noble Lord at the head of the tsdministration came down to Parliament, and stated that the whole of his Colleagues had resigned,--' Very different was the present case, the system and pr incipic of the late Administration remained unaltered—its very root was unimpair ed, and that intended to succeed was liable to the same objedionss with that at present in existence. On tliose general grounds it would lie .with the Noble Earl to decide whether or he persisted in the immediate discussion of his Motion. Earl SPENCER spoke shortly on the subjeCi of the late Secession from His Majesty's Councils, and observed, that what his Noble Friend (G a ris.. v 'had advanced, so faithfully described his own feeling and sentiments upon the occasion, he cleemsti it unnecessary to recite them. • • The Earl of DARNLEY spoke in explanation. He repeated that his opinions respeding the ne cessityY of a sold Inquiry into the alarming circumstances of the Country, remained unaltered. He was willing, at the same time, to submit to the sense of the House. However he wished to know, from any Lord who could inform him, at what time, consistently with their ideas oftafety. and . propriety, his intended Proposition could be dis cussed ; for, he must say, that conceiving ,what ' ,he should have to recommend abplutizly neco, sary to the wellbeing of the &twice, he should discharge his duty in bringing it forward with as little delay as possible. 'ln the present instance, he should have no hesitation in moving to dis charge the Order ; but 11.1 again wished Noble LOrds to say upon what day they thought it could be brought forward. 'After a short pause, his Lordship moved that the Order of the Day for summoning the Peers be read, which- being done his Lordship moved " That the said Order be discharged." The "Noble Earl then Moved " That the Lords be surnmood upon the same occasion for Tuesday the 17th,” which after a few words from some of the Peers across the Table, was altered till the following Friday, for which day, on the Question being put, the SuMmons was fixed. The Earl of RADNOR, after a few general observations , respeaing the importance of the subjeft in question, moved, " That the House be called over on,Thursday the igth." Lord GRENVILLE slightly objeaed to such a proceeding taking place, chiefly on the ground of its -being very unusual, save in the case of the Phi of a Peer. The Earl of R4DNOR seemed to admit die truth of these observations, but said, that the situation of thc Country exaded such a departure from the ordinary line of proceeding. , 'Loci MULGRAYE expresssed his hope that the Motion for the Call of the House would be withdrawn. He conceived it at best to be un necessary, and probably injurious, in tending to add an awful solemnity to the circumstances of the moment, which was not at all requisite ; the supposition, in such a case, naturally would be that the House was not sufficiently attentive to the situation of the Country, but wanted that additional spur to incite them to their duty ; feeling the reverse of this to be the case, and be ing aware of the truth of what his Noble Friend said upoty the point, he should, if the Noble Eatl persisted, take the sense of the House upon the Motion. Lord HOLLAND said, he too 'well knew the general accuracy of the Noble Earl, and his thorough acquaintance with , the forms of the House, not to be certain that he was justified in Jvhat he proposed ; he should - support *the Motion. With respeet to the general subje&iif observation that evening, he said, that awful as the circumstances certainly were, he could not think they were rendered more so because. His Majesty's Councils were deprived ,of men; who of all others, perhaps were the most instru. mental in bringing the Country into a situation which every man pres'ent had to lament.—Par proofs of this, it was necessary to consider the pre ;sent state of Europe, as well as that of Great Bri tain.; - that • their ineasures'had added fresh cala mities with respect to Ireland was certainly no proorOf thou.' ability, or ,that their secession from His Majesty''.; Councils was to be deplored. With respect to the condua of Ministers relati% e to Ireland, his Lordship spoke in dire( tern, of reprobation, and, as we _understood him, reputed that . t_he sat= Faaion Which had brought Ireland to her presenicalamitonssituation,_ had, when their tools refused their concurrence to their further projels, dismissed them from Adrni ' nistration with contempt. The. Earl of CLARE .expressed • his disappro bation of the Motion, and adverted to the abso lute .impraeticaliiiity .of giving several of the Peers due notice at so Short au interval. , In ob. -serving upon this part nf the subject, the Noble and Learned Lord. displayed much knowledge of the • Order' aT'the Hinis6, and' stated, .that the adoption of the Motion; must be accompanied by an issue of Circular Letters: He then adverted to another topic, whiCh ha been alluded to in" the course of the evening, namely, . the state of Ire. land ; and deprecated all premature'reference to the stare 'of tharCountry, on the general'ground, that its inhabitants were composed of very earn bustible7,77iriah—(a laugh)—irrno place there could exist a greater diversity of opinion. Be observed, ,a 3 we understood his Lordship, the agitation of certain ,questions might, ,in . that quarter, excite a flame not to be extinguished but by torrents of - blood.--He deprecated a recur rence to the. Catholic question ; the Noble Earl Well knew what might be the consequences of it. ,—The Union was but yet in its infancy, and he seriously recommended .that its elle& be tried before any experiments were made.—With respeet to the much-talked of measure of* Catholik Emancipation, he had grounds for asserting that 99 out of 160. of that persuasion did not care a jot about it—Those who did, conceived it th exiit only in the, Abolition of Tythes, and a participation of property. The Earl of SUFFOLK rose to Order. , He begged the Noble Earl to recolle& that what he had been stating bore no reference whatever to the 'Question bplore the House. • • The Earl of CLARE slightly noticed the in terruption, continued to deprecate any premature allusion to the CatholiC Question, and expressed his hope that when that important su)jel came regularly before the House, their Lordships would indulge him with a patient hearing. The Earl of SUFFOLK again spoke, to Order, and stated, that the Noble Earl was proceeding in the same line of argument which had called for his animadversion as disorderly. The LORD CH ANCELLOR,ofter a very slight allusion to the point of Order, seemed to depre cate the line of discussion into which the House had' been led. With resped :o the important Question alluded to as more particularly apper. taining to Ireland, he obaelycd, it was now become a question of Imperi.ii policy—it was no longer Ireland, but the 'United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland in every point of view—their interests and concerns were consolidated in ex terior and interior policy, and u ith respect} to Civil and Religious ,Establishments. He then ad verted to the allusion 'to the Catholic question, which the Noble Lord censured in direct terms, and seemed to say that partial reference§ to it until the whole extent of the question was regu larly before the Imperial Parliament, savoured not onli of lohness bit crinlinality. With respect to the otter topics alluded to in' the course of the rkbate, he would forbear to comment, as nothing was regularly before the. House ; ,but he must tit allowed to say that no Lord could possibly feel more alarm, because none weic more tuHy apprised of it...;-the inestimable loss of his Noble, Friends to the Counsels of the Sovereign. He well knew not only their talents, but their integrity. With respea to what had been thrown out in re gard to liberality' of Opinions, the Noble Lord, in generally referring to what were decidedly his own, made some very pathetic allusions to his time of life—very advanced age—and being ar rived at a period in which, by the ordinary course of nature, he must soon cease to exist ; his opinions, therefore, were decidedly and not lightly formal, and, as he should have to answer for them at another and more awful tribunal, , he should.. boldly and sincerely declare them, when the regular time,shoold arrive for their delive ry ; for his earnestness and sincerity in this decla_ ration, he should throw himself upon the candour of the House, to whom, he flattered himself he was not unknown, and who, he hoped, would judge of his conduCt by his opinions ; for those who knew him best, were well apprized, that he was one who always had the boldness to declare his opinion, and the confidence to abide by it. • _ _ The Earl of MOIRA said, that no Peer could more strongly feel the impropriety of taking up the Question alluded to, than himself ; but with respea to the other topics before the House, he must observe, .that the present situation of the Country was alarming, and critical, beyond all former precedent. He would suppose the case of an Administration being formed, to whom it was impossible that publiC, confidence could be attach ed- 7 -might not then, not only an irremediable but a fatal error he committed, in consequence of the forbearance of Parliament, the delay of a. fort night may be an irreparable loss.—lf there could exist: any one occasion. more than another in which that House should attraki the pu,blic atten tion to - its proceedings and to the real state of the Country, it was the present moment • ,the people should be called upon to impress the ne cessity upon their minds that the exertions of all were necessary to save the State.—He therefore trusted that the motion for the Call would be agreed to ; every thing should he done to carry it into circa ; precedents should be explored, in order that every possible solemnity might, at this awful and momentous crisis, be added to their Lordships' •proceedings - -He alluded to the cala mitous situation in which the Country must stand did ,that House lose its influence upon the public , mind, and depicted .the state to which that Assembly itself must be reduced.— To obviate these direful contingencies, should their efforts .be direaed. Let the Public see that they boldly and manfully meet the Nqtional Exi gencies, and that the House is determined to pur sue the line of their common interest—by a con trary course of• proceeding the public opinion wc,u!d necessarily' be forfeited. And under these i.,lpressions he thought that, at the present .mo ment, he' should best discharge his duty by press iiqg the Motion for a Call. The Li, WESTMORLAND, in the course of. a few observations, deprecated the line of dis cusiion into. which` be House appeared to be in :n iisibly led. the Various points adverted to that night were regularly before the House, then Noi?it: Lords could -with propriety deliver their Seti:iiiientS. He concluded "with compli_ menting the Noble Earl on his candour in with dra\Ving.his,Motion, agreeably to what appeared the general sense of the House. Lord BORINGDON appeared to us to state, that it was material the House should be in pos session of the faa, whether a Call was resorted tt on similar occasions before; which considera tion should determine his vote. The Earl of RADNOR recurred to .some tracts he had made from precedents for the line of proceeding which he proposed. ,He said he' had colleted eight, out of which. he 4ecified four, namely, in 1675, 1695, 1704., and on another occasion; and he signified his intention, as called for, we believe, in point of form, that if the Mo. tion for the Call' of the. House should be agreed to, 'to follow it,up with another, for writing to acquaint the Peers., The Duke of ATHOL expressed his decided dis approbation of the Motion.' He observed, that the whole proceeding must be ineffeetual, as he under. stood the attendance of the Peer's, even on receiving the lettersovas optional.—Now what could the Motion be for, but to oblige the Peers to attend, which in his view of the case could not regu larly be done. It may be stated in the letters, that the situation of the' Country was such as to require their attendance. But did Noble Lords think,' that in, such circumstances, there existed a necessity for such a communication- fo ensyre their attendance ?- 'Certainly not.. He trusted every Peer would attend his duty 'in eases of such emergency ; and deeming the proceeding at the best unnecesiay, he should oppose the Motion. The Earl of SUFFOLK expressed his opinfon, that every degree of solemnity ought to be added to the Proceedings of the House on the present occasion, as the Country was clearly in an. un precedented situation ; and he also , thought that some kind of 'censure should be attached to. those Peers, who did not attend. The Question was then called for, and the House divided, when the numbers appeared as follows: Non Contents 54—Contents 23—Majority against the Call 31., On our re-admission to the House, we found The Duke of BEDFORD addressing their Lord ships- respetting the Bill which he yesterday had introduced, and which had been printed, and which, as we could collet, was ordered to be read a second time on Thursday. 4 The Earl of RADNOR took this opportunity to observe upon the Bread Amending Bill, which passed through the House yesterday and received the Loyal assent, respeding which he seemed to say, there was no necessity for such precipita tion, and concluded by observing, that if ever there was an occasion" which called for an AEI of earliament, it was necessary to oblige the House in certain cases to abide by, in faa, its own or. de's. 'After a few words from the LORD CHANdiL• ROR, the House adjourned 'at half past six till l'hun.day. Fi HOUSE OF COMMONS. TUESDAY, FEB. 10. RESIGNATION OF THE SPEAKER. At four o'clock between two and three hun. sired Members were assembled,' when Mr. Laz (the Principal Clerk of the• House) rose at the Table, and said he felt it to be his duty to in., form the House, that he had that day received a letter from Mr. SPEAKER, which it was his (the SPEAKER'S) desire he should communicate to the House. The letter bore date, FebrUary to"th, aot, and was signed lIENR.Y ADDINGTQN. Mr. ADD I h cToN's letter, as read by Mr. Lita, was, in substance as follows : " HIS MAJESTY having been pleased to ex. • press his intention of appointing me at this am.. • jundfire, to a situation which would be incom. parible with the service I owe. to the House of Commons, I have. to request, Sir, that you will tender to the House my resignation of a situation in itself the most Honourable, and which, froM the manner of my having been eleded to it, has been the most gratifying to my feelings. In quitting a situation the nearest to my beitt, 1 am unable to express the sentiment's of gratitude and regret - by whicih. lam aduated. lam con scious that on the present occasion I am infiu eneed by the same principle s of public duty which have uniformly dilated my condua, and from which, I trust, I shall never deviate." Mr. P/77—" I rise for the purpose of say. ing, that I lave His Majesty's command to in. form the House, that it is His Majesty's Plea sure they should proceed in -due time to the choice of another SY EsikKE X. Under these cir. - curastauees, I shall move " That the House do adjourn till to-morrow, that it may have time to consider of the choice of another Gentleman to fill . this important Office." . Sir IV. PULTENEY said, he could not but express his regret , at the loss the House would sustain in the Right lion. Gentleman's retiring from a situation which - he had filled with so • much honour to himself, - as well as advantage to the House; It was not-his intention to deal - otit panegyric, either upon those who were about to retire from, or those Gentlemen who might be appointed their successors in public Official situa. tions ; but of their worthy SP LAKER, •he would say, that he had made many disinterested friends, and he believed, had made no one his enemy. The House had seen him placed in a situation •-•- which required very great talents, and which afforcled the plepingpresage of his. filling another important situation with credit to himself and advantage to the Public ; nor could he see any thing that rellefied discredit on those of His - Mljesty's Ministers who had tendered theie resignation. As tar as the Public had had an opportunity of judging, these Gentlemen had retired, not from any point of Faction, -or from motives of personal interest, but from holding , an opinion, in which they had differed from others of His Majesty's Council. He hoped then, that in the present situation of the Country, the House- would consider that the first objea to which they had to attend was, that of bringing the Country out of its present difficulties into a state of safety, and that the principal objet of every one would be to. bring the ship into port, and to weather the storm. It was a regard to this which would serve above all things to recon. cite the Public to the 'House of Commons, and en. gage the confidence of the Nation in that House, to such . a degree as would be at once most pleas, ing andiatisfattory. He had lived to see many changes,.:and he now ' wished above all things that he might' live to see, this change effett. ed, that all persons'of all descriptions should aft from no other motive than the good of the Public, without having any view to their own personal interests. The Question of Adjournment till to-morrow: was immediately put, and carried. After the Adjournment a great many Mem, hers remained and entered into a: conversation of some length across the Table ; we particularly perceived Messrs. PITT, TIERNZY, HOBIIOI3E I &c. &c. but its nature did not reach us. THE SUN. SOLLNI QU:S DICieRL AtIDLAT? LONDON, FEBRUARY ii, 1801. WE have the satisfaCtion of informing our Readers, that an Arrangement for a Cabinet, un der Mr. AnuiNGTON'S auspices, is in great for wardness, and that unblemished charaEter, long experience, and tried abilities, will be found in it,. Amongst the various Reporti of the Individu als that are to 'be brought forward, to. which we are disposed to give credit are, that of Lord Et.OON taking the .Seals-f-of Mr. LAW being made Attorney-General--of the present Solici tor-General raking a Political Line, and. of COI: YORKE being the- SeCretary at War. Mr. Ni.. CHOLAS VANSITEART:IS also mentioned as one of the new Secretaries .to the Treasury.—When any thing certain is known on thin Subjed, our Readers may depend oil' their instantly being mado Acquainted with it. I .