The Sun. — London, England, 1811-07-20 00:00:00

t ~~ %fu`~i~§, -' ; of ...1 7 rance . vow diteSted his greatest efforts against our finances. Thus sit dale& no one thing could be so lojui ions to the country as negiveting to keep up the cledit of our paper, How tar this would 112 done by the pte►ent till he did not know; but that it would have that elle& in a considerable degree he had no doubt, and nwith this feeling tie 'heartily con curred in the measure. Mr, \V MEER oßea thought, that in the situation iliSthich the ccrootry*ls,placed, some measure be came indispensablY necessary, and this appeared to be that which most natimilly . suggested Itself under such eireuttiAances. He could hardly have suppos ed, that any malt wouW adopth hat line of ConduCt which !rad been adopted 14 the Neble Lo.d, who was the cause Of this measure being introduced, and still less could he have supposed it would be resort ed to by a person of Lord,King's rank and charae ter. It tory - 001g could„have:been less expected by btan than (Hs, it was that such conduel would 'find .such suppolt as it has found.' After that, it might 'well b suppesed that the example Would be folio ed by meaner characters for. mercenary motices. The decision of the Judges tended still Mor e to render it necessary . , but yet he wai of opinion, that it would not he thoroughly of itself. He would however, at least, gtve time to persons to con sider of sonic measure that would .afford greater se, curity. They ought, Its soot) as ; possible, to resort to a currency convertible at pleaSureinto cash, and lie hoped every practicable retrenchment would be made in the public expenditure of the country. Lord Cocoa At 4 e said, no docking Of the branches ...could cure the r v ii which existed at the root; Every Vessel that conveyed goods to Tottiugal, Spain, or Sicily, to hi, knowledge, ,sold 'everrartiele for less than iti original . value, and' the merchant was only supported in this traffic by the depreciated state' of our cortency. A merchant receiving bullion for his goods at any one of the-places he had named, lie itumediatey went to the Commissary General, aud.obtained bills on this country at a depreciation Of, per cent. at Lisbon, and of 33 at Malta and This was the rate of the depreciation at the time he was in thrase ports; he understood it had since.ri,i , n at the two last-mentioned places, to thirty- H e at t r ib ute d t h e ev il to the manner in w i. tecit the war was carried on;. Sicily, he Contend 0, did not require one English soldier to defend it. Ailed by a Bittish naval force, it . was.fully com petent to 'defend itself:: The Noble 1 . ., - Ord here Madc. some observations on the Government of Sicily, and was proceeding to state in what manner the subsidies furtikhed by this country were disposed of there, When The Sek;AkER desired to know if the Noble Lord really thought the internal state of that country, add the affors of Spain and Portugal, 'Were iteded with the question ,before the llouw.. Fre .bad been i try unwilling to interrupt him, but thus ',Wandering from the subje& exceeded all the limits .of debate. Lord COCUrtANR resumed. He explained:Why he 'fiatijnought the übjects to which he had adverted etirinettel with the question. He then proceeded to' spe4lt of the general conduft.of the war, and as. 76erte,l, that if Spain and Portugal were left to them selves, our thlitary (oree might be so applied as :;civil 'to lecwo the pubic burdens. He %vas cow/ince(' Get. it ,6uvolitneirt use at the information tr`ad . lir a l impet manner,' Cvltti one half of the . navy, and ore teeth of our artily, (he Weitklel assert it withoi4 tear of its bqing:disproVed, however it ti:ight he contradicted), " they might . lay the whole coast f Bunnapatte to ruins, and`reducethe eneiny 'to a peace in le,s then twelve months." He was c yr,fidetic front what he had read, and from what' he had seen, that an army of iO,OO men, properly . dispoied of, would keep the whole disposable force epC France engaged.—[Here the Noble Lord was in. tcrropted by cries of ' Question, 'question !" " Chair, Chan !") The SrsAtott requested the Noble Lord to con fine himself to the question. • Laird etions4NE said, he wished to do so. He then went on to state what Buonaparte wotild - do if he had our naval snperiority; when he was again Cilied to the question, and the Speaker was desired to interteie. `f lie Speimutt said. ho was authorised to say the N o bl e La i d went & risk the displeasure of the Hou.e it . 1,6 pificeded in that course., Lotd Cocuttmoz repowod, rhat if 10,000 men Were ettiployed in the mantic, he could wish.,on the 00311,.. 1118 whole dispfisable force of the! enemy would be kept engaged, and the expellee , would nor be any thing, like so groat kis thaticcurred by our pteserit operations in Portugal. He. thought the scaternents be had made were necessary for the good of the nation. He was actuated by no motive but the desire of benefiting the Country. He declared, open his honour and before his God, he did not want to b e e mpi n s , e d in any way, and he , hoped would not think that he did. The de. preciation pf the .currency, he contended, was clinsed by the profligate rhimoer in which the 'war was Cat tied on ; and he that gave notice-that it Willi Ilk intention to call the attention of Parliament to stitijeci catty in 14,.,! ensing,S4sio.n. TAyLon W 35 of opinion that the present .not 'a core, would 'be Kind the best palliative that could be applied to the existing was nut denied eien'by those who were, lotid e,“ t.hedein`eciation of the ,flank notes, and lie should therefore vote for 'the Pia. • Hrittr,irr coniideled the Bill as likely to be mulch tunic dangerous it, jts etlecits, than that pradice which h ci eat.:, , w'd it to be ititro• duct d, aid which had been ep , ,kca of ai tenthiK to doll itY 01 the' bomb of civil ize d some cAseo;:itlin's on its pronabie insets on the dot:into bankh, be concluded w.th it they` were oblig,:d '.lO pay in C3lll, instead of its being a disadvantage to this cannily, it would be the means of k etp l og withi n Ii the, money which was now bent to Frani.:b tut' her produce, and 'he was ton. vittced that France would' be obliged to send her pro - &ice' bete, and tak e our manufa6thies 1n ex- ehang,., 11 r. P. Mown , : said, he tibotil4 detain the House but hira short while upon some pouns .did pot appear to him to lave beell toucited,uVon, b e , lore, zind if, wiito he came to those 'the liou-e disa;:proved of his proceeding;' he vvoidd sit 'down. , In his opinion this question should hoyo . Lien kit, untoc,ebed by the House; wiic;ther ihe intper wag tivreeintett or not, while the puUlic did Trrframmtr—nr-Terreretrmwtin—nrrmrrirrignir Honourable Friend next him (Mr. Sheridan) did not take up the s'ubje6t, as he would much rather have attended to him than undertaken the task him self. After taking a review of all the nie&;ttres adopted by 'Parliament on this held, from tlie . y.:ar 1707, -which protessed to be temporary, but K ere in point, of Ta6t of 14 years standing, lie want :into set eral calculations for the purpose of shtwing`that the . Bank was not in want of cash, being at least in the possession of 35 miliions, which only rtquirccl proper measures to bring them iota' ciredlAtion. He remembered an expres-ion of his flight Ho. limitable Friends with respect to the 13411 k of Eng; land; after alt the splendid hoists it had Wilde, that " Brag was a gond dog, but. Hold-fist was better." The': best course, in his opinion, under all the circumstances, would he, to let the matter rest, and he"hoped the Bill would lie otter to atio. thet-Session. Mr. Stilittil,AN said, he should certainly trespass but for a few minutes on.the attention of the House, at the same time he should not enter into any con traCl for accepting. a signal, vocal or otherwise, as a warning by which he should be bound. His I-lon. Friend had recolleded a loolish joke of his, without recollecting at the same.time .the application. The occasion upon which be (Mr. Sheridan) had made use of it was, when .111 r. Pitt, after an investi gation by a Committee in:o the stale of the Bank, for the purpose of ascertaining whether they were able to pay, applauded and exulted in the woof of their ability, but alleged at the same that there were political reasons agaitist the adoption of the principle. It-was on thiti inconsistency that he had ventured to mention the homely but significant ad. age that ." Brag was a good dog, but Hold-tot was. better." He begged it to be understood that he had never meant to ap i daud the , con- dud of Hold-fast. His Honourable Friend had expressed a wish that he (Mr. Sheridan) had saved him' the trouble of coming forward :- but as his speech did not appear I l lefi-,:ient either in argument or decoration, be could sot see upon what ground 'such a wish could be' expressed. He had another reason beside this for being rat , er surprised at it, and this reason was, that he entirely daered from his Hon. Friend in hiti view of therquesiion. Un doubtedly it was a proof of the ! iisinterested feel ings that guided his Hon. Friend. For his own part he was anxious, before the Bank was eilled upon for cash payments, to understand that it . was not the same thing as to call .upon the, House to give up the contest upon which it was .engaged.- , - Nothing,Could be more unjust than while ; they, re. strided the Bank of England fiem cash payments, to leaVe the tenant at the mercy of the landholders . The country, banks, he concluded, .would certainly be ruined, and he left it to:themselves to conceive in what manner that might affed the commercial interests of the country. He ridiculed the prophe eies of bankruptcy, &c. appealing ,to the state of the country, as a proof that the enormous income with which She supplied the Government *ere not wrung froth her distresses. He: held it to be extraord't narY, that upon either side of such a question as this, there should be such a conviction, that (he other tide was wrolig,ss to encourage any ferocious party Spirit. The question did not admit of such peremp tory decision. He did not think he should even agree to make Bank 'notes a legal tender, but,lioped that they would be able to come back to the old system, without resorting to .such a step. To him it' was no mortifying refleaion, that the gold' which was essential to the existence of other countries should. be so easily dispenied with in this. • rlt was a preof.of our, credit and resources, and ‘ithat• ever duradvantlage might be supposed to fellow from it, he would ask what other nation could do the save. He did not wish to risk the advan tages we possessed, or to do any thing rashly or pre ! ' maturely. . Sir V. BURDETT maintained that the evil arose' from the excessive issue of paper, andoould wily be `relieved by its limitatio). He defended the .con. duct of Lord King, and reprobated the funding sys.. tein as an expedient that must necessarily emit). gnish itseat. . ' Mr. A. BAnttao deprecated the opinions of the Hon. Baronet, which he tijought the country would not follow, until he could produce some proof .that there was some cause for 'them. He recommended the reduction of the:expellees of , the Government, but insisted that the state of the public finances and debt were recoverable as they stood . at present. The funding .system, he argued, was adapted to wars of short duration,. but any one looking at the • country, must be inclined to pronounce the last three yearS years of great prosperity. Notwitlt standing the horror expressed by some against the adoption of such a. course, the plain and simplere tnedy appeared to him to be, that' of Making Bank' notes a legal tender. Sir SAiilit RUMILL.Y declared, that having voted against the Bill in all its stages, he had waited till this late hour, in the hopes that some of the'Hon. and Learned Gentlemen Would have declared their sentiments upon a measure so pregnant with in fringements on the laws of the land.. The Bill, in .141, was.one which had for its objeat on alteration of the contrails of men ; it' was an ex post facto law ; and though the necessities of the State might require it, nevertheless it was what he -bad stated, The Hon. Gentletnan'early in the debate had ex pres‘ed4 hope that 'some of the Law Officers would have stated the law, for at present men were left in doubt. There was nothing more misehieveus than to make premit,ent the detects of the law by new reMedies. .45 the law at present stood, it was pro vided, that no person should be liable to arrest or mesne proms, if he tendered to his creditor the amotmt of his debt in Batik notes; The remedy which was aepayitly •opereto the debtor, if he did not pay - in gold, was,_ by carrying a much greater number of Bank notes, of the same nominal value to market, to p'ay his debt, or he must be immured in prison: for life: His 'tight Hon. Friend, therefore; it he meant to give effeitual remedy, must make Bank • notes a legal' tender infinitely. With re.ipeal to the . innovarioes upon th©. Establi s h e d laws, he wi s h e d to kilo w if the Law Qtficets had consulted - the . Judges, beotuse when he brpught in his Bill to mt. plain and amend the Criminal that was main ly objected to. him, viz. that he wished to make all itincivaticin on the law, without consulting .the Judges. The'grear Objeetions which were to rite were those fie had principally stated, ant i tbero . fore he should yoy n against it, Lttrn tThsTLEKKteIt, to eicpidrOt i rtrirrn " had staied on k former, night, said, tiro ve'iat lie tus-ant by the Bank of Engl,and beinq . a!lotyed to pursue With energy, .wts this, that he eoncehiti'd it wore desirable that the peopie shutild rely on k moral prntedion than z legal one. Sir S. ROMILLY and Mrl_SnattlbAN tputtially eA plained. Mr. TIRRV EY OnZidSi a - ge;f:reil call for the hues - lion) had no wish to detain the House, who,:bri-. cause .the Attorney-General •wotild not speak, seem ed to think o r e he (Mr. T.) ought nut tO speak, and thetefore he would atistaih Item an enlarged view of the lqiu,:wa. 14, hatild notice 11'6 extraor dinary ,speech of his Right Hon; Friend t Mr.. Sheri -60), who gave his, ObServatitini, evidently second hand,' not having ai corately looked at the'subiett. He certainly ,supported llie 11111, conceiving that it *01)1(1:1hLince the Batik to resume their payments in cash. , indeed, in the Bullion CoMmittee, a more 'sterling itiend they had not. , (Mr. S. observed he, .never said a word). True, said Mr. T. thedelibe-, rations of the Committee were at an hour too early for my 'Right Hon. Friend, but notwitlistandieg, he coneuried in all . tle.t was done. In the pro-, phecies which , lie had made froth year to year for four years, down to 09:2; of the downfal of the re s.urces of the country, tie had failed, for up to this period they were, according to his speech of this tsening, in a fluerishing state. The fa&, how ever, was ,otherwise, for the commerce was at a stand, the revenue giving way, and, the Consolidated' Fund last year had a deficiency of nearly 800 ) 0001. and the three last 'quarters. the deficiency was 1,800,0001. The Right Hon. Gent. then concluded, that the power which the Bill would give to the, flank was dangerous, and he lamented that any of the Bank Directors should be found to give their _countenance to it, The idea of compelling tiaO people to take Bank paper was horrible, 'when the difficulties of the country were so greSt, that it could 'not afford relief to tenants, nor secure landlords : that while the law stands as it dOeS in Ireland, no thing can , prevent a person from sending his 'gni fieas over there, and. obtaining _in ,return_as,. each in Bank notes.. It had been said that .it was necessary to carry on the war in the Peninsula—why so it might ; but ,are the people of Spain disposed to 'Sacrifice as much as those of England ? if nut,. he, could not consent in any Such war, to overiliroW the public credit in England. If it was intended td brighten up the finances, and to make the enemy believe that they were .unexhaustecl, that was done already, by the resolution passed three Months ago, that Banknotes were eqUivalent : tosguipertv. Mr. ' SHERIDAN denied that he had ever despaired of the fesources or the country. With resped to his vote in the Bullion Committee, that be had given conscientiously; but if •he had had the misfortune even to hive heard his Right Honourable Friend's speeches, be did not think they would have awed • that vote. His Right Hon. Friend seemed to think that the finances of the country were 'gone, and Buonaparte t therefore, was more generormi fer he `allowed that they, would stand ter, years, ./-,11,3 la mented that the House was not in a Committee*, tor then he could have, confuted all his Right lieu. kriond'a arguments, which the rules of the House would not permit him to do. The House then divided for the third reading, Ayes . • • 95 Noes • • • ,• " . zo 'llajorhy . , —7; 02n our entering the gallery, Mr. Brougham was proposing the first of his Resolutions, which went to state, t hat a / person had a right :to. sell his _ property for what lie deems its value, or to give-it ai,vay it he likes it, or to retain it. After' a few words from Mr. Baring and Sir Francis Burdett, the Chat)&liar of the Exche quer moved the previous toestion, which was agreed to, _ • _ ' Mr. BROUGIIAM then proposed four other 11080- lotions,, embodying his opinion on the subjea, on the first of which the previous question s was moved and carried; the femainder were negatived without it division. At Half-past One o'clock this morning, the House nidj tuned until Tuesday. ,"“Al 1.5.. C4diZi t Waterford. PRICE! 9F STOCK'S Tins DAY *r TiVIELVK O'CLOCK. COMMIS . 62 a -7( I Orrmium . dis. T i s IQLihf QUIS DICILftg, FALSUM AU) (? L 0 ND 0 N, SATURDAY, JULY 20, 1611. IPindsor.Castle, July 20, )811. a The KING has had several hours sleep in the course of the night.-His MAJESTY is in no respect, worse this tnerning. " HALFORD: " W. 11 UtiElO)l.: N. " 14. 1.1,1 WI LLI:)." We feel the tenet sincere pleasure in . informing our Raders, that Dispatches were yesterday after noon received from Mr. STEWAIIT, - our Minister at Lisbon, to-the sth, slating a Telegraphic dispatch had reached. that city from kiyas, announcing the , important fad of General BL.&E having, by a rapid . • march, reached Seville, and taken possession of I hat city, together, with the itninense magazines of every' ,description which the - French had As this news reached Liihon byjelegraph, of course the particulars could not be transmitted : we trust, however, that the next packet will bring us the de tails. , Marshal Sotn.y, .aware of the cLaisequenees that must inevitably tollow,theAoss. of, Seville and all his magazines, detached, or as; other accounts marched with , a considerable portiOn Of the army which he had collected to attack Lord Wit.r.iNGTO:V; to prated Seville. We rejoic.e, bov , ever, to find that he was unable to execute his intention, and th::t general ILA ',KP. got there before . him, If GLUctal glaastiai should hie joined General BLAKE, their .4 Which nral i crrff=.."-it to boa I • we hive no doubt, will be mbie to -iesinw lain th4ir stiluild itgainit kiur !orce that tOW 1131 sent egainstilleto. if Sov4r %IlotllJ end(aveot to send' orf t large fjrce, Lord W6/.4101'03 Willi we presume, recommence °thusly,: ol,eranuil, ' i Several reports were in cireolaiioa yesterday rei Specting the state of his MAJESTY'S health, Nviiict 'ealculatad to excite the mu's , glotimy giVr e. henslons, but we are happy to wy that,they The repors of the an are indeed of a most distressing owe, hut we PI assured that his MAJGETT'fi busilyhalal stillcon lindes in such a state as to ternove all groat fo imrnediM alarm. L.....: - .......'..„. tt has frequently been to us a m o aner of as' Well as regret, that :the l i i i her orders uf sucie serprit t in this country should. Continue to comulue lb' Pi'.duas of France, while, those of Eogloid 311t1 be Colooio• a r e ao yisorously 'excluded front the Coal ne9t.. Ev' cry roan who pe rmits a home Pend Wine to* conWtned at his table, contributes iotla drain of apeCie from this 'country, aild: en cowl the Inani!faiStares and the .coinmerce of Frapo We should be most - , happy . to see . 11 OM called Of! persons of rank and , f a shion; 04 at agreeMent, entered into to diseontinue." the 'I II of .these French luxuries, until the Pats 611 the Continent . a re open to British 103°1114' ta&ures. &b a laudable example, we ere c urt, would be ircirnediately followed by t he L a dies et° country,they would no longer encourage 11: introduetion Of French laces French gloves , Fre f `, J silks, French Iperfumery, 6.. e. Ikc. (WY "'',, not,. we • are sure,. fell short of the la; sex:' in patriotism...they would not pawn° l' 1 out MadafactnrerS of France at the' expeoo °' ~,,i own, if their attention was once se,riouslj 61;o to the subjeot FILJONAPARTC Will no $ 7 O our manufatlures or our colonial produce t° 6 ,4 Fratice.--but. he is most anxious to send hitsOneilio his manufatiures here, because, it tend , to drain • . I,;ect3lif country of- specie, which is one of the'great ° ) basin view. Surely , if is not too tnueli to as k, chat tint ' people of rank and fort nye should s.,ictiflktt: few, of the luxuries of the table ond of 11 ° 9 ' , , i , put . 1 .. counierati the designs o f the enemy, ,no to 0 en d' to a trade which is so highly iojurieln country. Papers to .ntoi gh ti t i , e a l t 7i tt h. latl i h ie o y nr, c : i c 2 i r : c : ol'l:loroirvig Span. The Last ' A L IO n ' iterir of the 14111, after govt'"ltot pao, , o ff ; de Iron) Ilve.ll.nglish newspapers, statiog. o'l,o. British troops had •Nailed front C,:diz 1001,44 the . defence of 'l7arragons, adds ,be u Note : foie et°. it 1:1 , • 'KW troops in, reality arrived be, oe ' p•l * gona eight days premimis to, its capture. ,#,) ill son surnmoned thew fQ its . asi, bolt in 0,,4,0 110, thought proper to remain in the roads, Pos'olth the glory and of I of rearaining speastors a twp the capture of the place." ' 9 the gr, The Afonitear• of Tues Jay List coat:11110g 0 ' Port of . a . Council of inquiry into ihe 0 0 ' 1 40 oircumcances of the surrender of Of 01 . `" . , „. g 10 11 # i The report is of considerable length, 01`.', confine ourselves ton few extract., 111)11,14,0,0f1 The report begins by stating the p0rA...,,,, itP Island at 14,000 whites and free D'b_r,'" .1 00,000 slat es. It then prose. Ca l'ietiefolo " General iecaen had been Captair'net, col° the Wand, as well as of the adjoising 14: 0,0411; !lie% since September, 1003• ribireY werr,,ilety ''..„l ing under his government. 10 ''., n ,i Jaw ' ouruerims, ,and suf fi ciently 010)10 jg 1.,,, 01 1 ib t l i my who could not prolong his all„0,0 oroonlo first of November, tato,. his I°t ' 1 14;41180'1S to about Q3OO men. There were also 5 (. (to ero ' carry tj)e rt iea Island, rm s , Reports t,i°llta Guards scattered over theditiereni 3 . 0 04 ti .butt h:tn*.tpbresoeceebudisYtaoaidttecbrtiarditir tvichoileetio:pitw;lerde ilie ditre ra measures adopted by Dec en the Isle of Bourbon, which prilicit,4lYo jean, 0 t concentrating Ids force st Port N . P /I 0,001311, most central and cornmandhlg P°llll;turc at 93,5 it the bridal forte eniployed in . ill' °I, After dell' of ,whom, 14;00 we re BooPe°s;.troot,g, logo ing thl-landing and advaade uf )1341 3tiiity, thol Wkill thctir preparations cr.?r a sido cr pott proCeeds thns ;--- 6eneral Decaen Chen c°6-4•li;trievriicnig, litraii°:Prcs--31-litil ..‘. , . fe'riority in number or.. 11 : e . wo , u nly 5"11 t •IA proxi wily' of the eneniy, wo° l'cligth, ill-forniev_ trein u weak line !eau toiseilli ~,_.l which the .: with (loops ; thud new de t], Good jiniti4;el my probithly inept to tic t 13 , P e ba d 0 01 y 20 , bo t fii,o ((tries front a plae vil'er' a i ,uticivar7 , , • h;roty or ••, . 1 0J - to O ppose it ; the ittlprOO,‘" I re.eloballt y ' toile, the enemy to. fotcchir'°,eoorces i P er :be . or' tog' wo hoot provisioos.aou 1 er to esg"'e ' cl (11 tharl!e had 'done all in his pow.eoe anto,isl.le itoi der4 Ot his Sovereign, , t ad P,re'cil n aive i 04 '100 (4.10 r); and honour of ilia 111.11.4taa to hi ce,,,ifed by a 'capitulation he might 1":, „.4roeti, bell t .4, QOUO braVe men, soldiers 0,1.0)..7,,i1ic,0, m Toi to denlarid ft s u s erasion nr .1 u;tioo 0 the ." ciated. mid coan;clußetiendcca:ninft: the, c,,aap.i on 110 A ( ad III° 1),-,c7,mb , r to ve-e lio - ‘ " . t,l n i t hoPe i I re of i '(‘' General lite of Prince, particolarly , s uet orilY ndbeloo tile Boonaparte, toting tit 11_, atit nbe r 0 1 ' ~, eel oppf.r4e to an infinitely.gre.ica.,lio woot u_',..,,ii,lS :thilOtst N.vithalt • provioons .:0,1 ~irctoultstoiccii,iip 0 tlitlig; .ihe result of itoPer' :61.1impored I ' riot riis fault, and. could not ' , 0 r 101 in pro tiit: ;illy Vere Ct. . • e d the co 40010 1.51,41 (4.enerli maioc3in . , so too& - • I 1" arbs arld 17 ~ perous state, oy ,its c . . ,