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. . . . condition of this 'Country, that its Military force was confined to defensive operations, and therefore . there was no necessity of our giving to the Enemy a demonstration that we must con-, fine oUrselyes to defensive operations, nor was it, in that view of the Matter, very important whether the Troops were to be employed out of , the Country or not; but as we were now, for the first time, in a condition of things, the con tinuance of which no - man : would like to answer for, he thought that without disparagement to the Militia, the difference between them and the Regular Troops, as an efficient force for any purpose, was not to the diSadvantage of the Regu- Mrs.—Thus far for the general question—The ad vantages of this force to the Country he would no: state, nor the considerations upon which the hope of its success were grounded ; the particulars of the mode he was not going to detail, but he under stood that in the raising of this additional force, it was made the interest of the Officers to cause the augmenthtion to talCe place faster than it could other Wise be made.; this, however, was to be under certain reStriaions and the general objea, he hoped would be attained by it, which was, that of increasing the Army ; an object} which, be really thouglsr, every intelligent Man who had good wishes for the welfare of the Country, look ing at the circumstances by which it was sur rounded, must have at' heart, and that especi ally ..at the -present moment : that increase, he must say again, appeared to him to be such, as could no where be so well made as in the regular Military Force. He would decline, at present, entering into particulars. Mr. GREY said, he was to understand the Hon. Gentlemarn, that it was' the opinion of Go vernment at present, that there was an augmen tation necessary ; that the use for which it . was designed; was that of a Defensive 'Operation.— In:other words, that the Ministers of Govern ment werc'of opinion, we should add to the De fensive Force of the Country. The Right Hon. Gentlethan's mode of argument in favour of an in crease of our Regular Establishment, would go to the whole Establishment of our Military Force, and change all the Militia into Regulars at once ; for theßt.'Hon. Gentleman preferred the Regular Force for Defensive Operation, to that of the Militia. This might be the sentiment of the Right Hon. Gentleman; but he was yet to learn, that, for the purpose of internal National De. fence, the'Regular Force was superior to the Mi litia. He had yet to learn, that a Standing Army was . preferable to that old Constitutional strength, which, in former times, and those not very re mote, had the affeetion of the People of this Country. There was but little doubt which he should prefer, when the choice was between the Militia and the Regular Force, for the purposes of National Defence—he would follow the Con stitutional course, which was, to prefer the Mi litiaeto any other force, for the internal National Defence. But the Hon. Gentleman said, he - was surprized at what had been stated : Had the House no experience, four years ago, on the sub jai of Defensive Force ? That Force was 'raised by the alarm Oran Invasion, but that alarm was no sooner over,, but the Hon. Gentleman and his Ctillea . g4s converted the Militia into a Regular 'Force. ,It was then argued, as it was now argued, that the Regular was the best force. What was de ease now, that - We had nothing to provide for bin internal Defence ; and for that Internal De fence, we were going io increase that which was chiefly applicable to Offensive Operation—Learn_ ing what was the effea of the last Augmentation of Military Force, professedly as it was now, for Internal Defence or Defensive Operation, he thought the House ought to pause and consider a great- deal, before they agreed to this Proposi. arms to the mode which h a d been stated by the Hon. Getitleman,..he did not think' that was Vt;.ry accurately stated - . The mode had been adopted in formsir wars, and reverted io in - this, that 'of giving 011ieers Ronk in consequence of the number of 'lv they raised. This 'Was a prac tice' that' hadbeen - tried and exploded,, and the baclefrat it had tipoo the discipline ortheArmy, Was not the least of its evils ; there were other 'objeaions to 'thin, but he 'Would . mat expatiate Upon them now;: - He would observe, however, that the House would do well to consider befbre kreverted to this tried and explOded praelice.— isipon these grounds, he found himself called upon • tO•with-bold his assent to the Resolution now be. fore the Committee. Mr. Secretary DUNDAS said, that on the subje& of Force raised in former times, he would not say a word, because he should have an early opportunity of.discussing it. He would main tain this, until he heard somebody deny it posi tively in that House, that there was no one Man in this Country attached to its interests, who did not wish' to. see, beCilthe he perceived the neces sity of an increase in our Military Force at the present moment. The Hon. Gentleman who spoke last, was nut against that Proposition ; but he maintained, that the addition should be made in the Militia and not the Regular Force. Upon this subjea he Was forced, from the best view he was able ta,take of it, totally to differ from that Hon. Gentleman. Ile maintained, that adding to ,the ,Regular Army, was giving to the Country , _a more efficient Force, than it could have by add ing to the. Militia ; and the reason was a plain one, ,because the Regular Forces were liable to the Service, both as a Defensive and an Offensive Force—They were better to be in that double capacity, even if they should happen to be never employed, because they were always ready for either service, as circumstances shoald require their use : And if the Hon. Gentleman who spoke lase, would take the trouble to consult with those who were most able, and as willing to ad vise him, he would find this opinion sanetioned by -the best authority which this Country could teroduce, on the stibjen of the efficacy of Military Force. As to the increase of the Militia, it was a took which had some popularity in it at first view; hat even that had its bounds, and he was not quite ,nre, that if rfic Militia were greatly increased, the Country at large would like that plan at the present conjukture, for that could not be done without compulsion, for compelling men to serve was a compulsion, although they were called upon to serve by ballot ; whereas the mea sure Of increasing the regular Military Force, must, from the nature of the thing, be voluntary. He therefore should like to hear why the Militia was to be preferred to "the. Regular Force, as far as the present increase of establishment ?—The ob jeftion the Hon. Gentleman complained of, as to Officers obtaining rank unduly, and that of a young man lifting himself over the head of an old and deserving Officer who could not raise the same number of men, had great weight in it ; for that praftice had operated to the discouragement of many brave and deserving Officers ; but this evil was provided 'against by the present plan ; there was a regulation devised, under the auspices of the Commandei in Chief, that would obviate the inconvenience. It was this : That no promotion should take place at all until an Officer had been a certain time in the service : he must be a given number of years in one station before he could be removed to another, so that this sudden rising of Youth over Experience was not possible under this plan. Officers with this qualification might advance their rank by raising men, but without this previous qualifiCation that would be impossible. This plan had the appro. bation of the Commander in Chief, and he hoped it would appear to Parliament to be most eligible. General WA LPOLE pointed out some of the evils which the system of raising Officers to Rank by the number of Men they raised, among which were the putting up the Volunteer Service to the highest Bidder, where Recruits were bought as it were by Auction ; the consequence had been severely felt in the course of this War—for Go vernment had been compelled to give a Bounty of Twenty Guineas per Man. Another evil produced by this system was that of Desertion— many left one Regiment and entered into another, from the temptation which the large Bounty held out to them ; and some of these Deserteis 'had at - Wally gone to America. 3 Mr. Secretary DUNDAS observed, that owing to an omission on his part, the observation of the klon. Gentleman who spoke last had not. been obviated. No such pradice as that now cots. plaint(' of, could take place, because the Bounty on•the Recruiting Service was limited, and be yond a certain sum nothing could be given. Calomel GASCOY NE observed, that if these additions were to be made to the Regular Service in general, he did not know how they could be an avail.!)le force to this Country at present, be cause many of the Regiments were abroad, to whom they could not be attached for some time to come. We might want immediate addition to out Regt.l4r Force ; for it cOuld not be expeded that the Militia should be ready to go all to Ire land. ---- . Mr. PITT said that he understood the aug. nictitation would apply only to those Regiments , which are now in Great Britain, and that the augmentation was only to,ooo in number. The Resolution was then put and carried, viz. That 53,337 men be voted for the Service of 11 ts MAJESTY fig Guards, &c. in Great Britain, from the 24th March, aot to the 15111 December, same year. That there be granted to Ills M AJESTY for charges • tor the same, for the like period' - - Z. 1, 65 3, 8 78 6 5 That 17,232 men be granted for Ireland. Charges for tt:e same , - - 57 6 ,593 72 7 That 72,329 be granted for the Planta- tions, iscc.ifec, &c. Charges for the same - - 1,7 2 4,377 0 4 For General and Staff Officers, and Of- Beers of Hospitals in Great Britain and • Ireland - - - 131,719 12 0 For Out. Pensioners of Chelsea Hospital and Kilinainhain Hospital - - 142,737 7 o For four Regiments of Light Dragoons, and seventeen Regiments of Foot in In- dia , - - 549035 19 10 For recruiting the same - . 3 b 1c . 0 3 9 z For Contingencies In recruiting, kc: His Majesty's• Land Forces, and' extra Charges in the United Kingdom - 672,248 . 1 3 5 For Militia and ,Feneihles in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland ;3542143 19 • 8 For Contingencies for the same . - • 84,451 o For,Clothing for ditto • 122,667 .t 3 For Supernumerary ()Meets . - " 25,662 8 For Allowances to Principal Officers, ,' ' • their Clerk 4 and,in the United dons . , 122 6 0 4 1 4 It Vor, increased Rates of Subsisteiwe for the Land rorces of the United Kifigdoin 370,384 tz '4 For Half-pay to reduced Officers of Land , • Forces and 'Wallies. - 163x 8 55 z 5 Fot the same belonging' to the late' ' Scotch Brigade in the service of the, i -- , - States-General - - 'Lope, o e For the same to Reduced Officers of His Majesty's American Forces - . 60,000 o o For In-Pensioners of Cheltica and .Kil mainhain - - -- - - 4 1 0.7 1 4 6 For Pensions to Widows of Land Officers 25;26 . 9 14 3 For Volunteer Corps, Infantry and Ca . - valry, for the United Kingdom - 880039 r 7 • For the Barrack Department in the Unit ed Kingdom - - 633,637 13 s For Nletheines and Hospital Contingen cies in Ireland - ' 21,372 19 9 For Foreign Corps in the service of Great Brit* - - - 303,39 1 4 5 For the Augmentation of the Regiments of Dragoon Guards, and Dragoons ! and Infantry of the Line ; and - for the twelve rivs Companies of Invitlidi in Great - Britain 656,388 8 6 All which were severally agreed to unani. mouth-. The House being resumed, the Report was ordered to be received to-morrow. Agreed to go into another Committee of Sup ply on Wednesday next. The Report of the Committee of the Admiralty, on the subject of Dock-yards, was ,ordered to be pri►;ted, on the Motion of Mr. ABBOT. Mr. RYDER brought in a Bill for repealing the last Brown Bread Bill, and making other Provision in lieu of it.--Read a first time. Mr. RYDER said, he wished this Bill to be read a second time to-morrow. He wished it to be understood, that unless there should appear to be any objection, ht should propose going into some other Stages of this" Bill to-morrow- He now moved that this Bill be read a second time to.morrow.--Ordered. At Nine o'Clock the House adjouned to to.' morrow. tN I) N Printect by “1/ CI LA NA NWM I A NI, ;of Bow-Street, Cuven'-(:antehi ; And Published by WILLI.4M ARM LOS* SCRiPTS (Of liorsc.ferry-toad, Westminster); At the Sir rl.Or E ice, No. tt z, Sinn/4i ; where Advertivounts, Ordirt for the Paper, Lettrri for the Edior, &c, (poulaid,), must be addressed,. THE SUN. 501.T/4 QUIS DICTItS F A I.Stliot AUDICAT LONDON, FEBRUARY 17, 'Sol. WE this morning received Paris Papers to the 13th inst. They were brought over in a Flag of Truce, the Captain of which reported, that great rejoicings had taken place at Calais at the moment of his departure, on account of Peace having been concluded between Austria and France. The Paris Papers of every day are filled with rumours of the arrival of Couriers with the Ratification of the Preliminaries by the Court Of Vienna, but no certain information is given on the subjea in any Article. The length of the Debates, in the House of Commons last night, does not allow us much space for the contents of these Journals, which are, however so far uninteresting, that our Read. ers have not much to regret on • that account . The Chief Consul has left Paris, for what pur pose it does not appear, and has been to St. Quintin. He had not returned to Paris at the date of the last Papers. His family, during his absence, have been exposed , to dangers, which, though the Paris Journalists attempt to represent as accidental, may be considered by many as connected with the plots which have lately becn discovered against himself. On the 26th, a fire broke out in the apartment of Ma. dame BEAUHARNOIS, the daughter of Madame BONAPARTE, which was extinguished before it had clone much mischief. On the following day a fire took place in the Thud/fries. The first or these is ascribed to a spark having fallen on a table covered with paper, at which Madame BEAUHARNOIS had been reading, previously to her leaving Paris, which was on the 23d, so that the fire must have been smothered for three days. The latter is said to have been occasioned by a stove setting- fire to a rafter, near which it stood. We do not find any account of the progress made by the Congress at Lunezille. If the in. telligence brought by the Captain of the Flag-of Truce be correa, this silence is unimportant. —. The Politicians of the Continent amuse them. selves with speculations on the fate of Eu. rope, which; according to Letters from PraaL fort, is now to be decided by a grand Al. fiance, consisting of Austria, Prance, Prussia, and Russia. Prussia does not, however, appear to furnish any real grounds for supposing that she is to be One of the tools employed by France in any of her designs ; and it is curious, that while LOUIS BONAPARTE is quitting Berlin, after a fit of sickness, during which he saw no one but his Physician and the French Ambassa dor, the Marquis de LVCHESINI, the Prussian Minister, has left Paris. lie is gone, it is said, to Chalons stir Marne, through which he may in tend to proceed to L une'ville. The KING of NAPLES, it is said, is to be permitted,,,on the intercession of the Court of Vienna, to send a Representative to the Con gress. The late change in our Administration was not known at Parif, hut the rumours which pre ceded it, had reached that Capital by the way of the Hague. The French Tien Connlide were on the 11th inst. at 63i. The QVE eN dittlice rake an airing yesterday, being indisposed with a cola. Her Royal Highness the PRINCESS of WALES Came to •Foivn yesterday from 41ackheatli. General MANNPRs came into waiting yester day as Equerry to his His MAJESTY. As our Paper was about to be put to Press yes- terday, we learnt the Terms of the Loan which had just been concluded. The two Lists to which it was awarded were, Sir Francis Baring Messrs.-Robsrts, Curtis, & Co. I. J. Angcrstein B. and A. Goldsmid J. Ayton E. P.t Salomons J. Battye Thellussons R. Showell George Ward B. Ellis R. Aislabie. The terms were as follow izs Consols for every tool. Subscription. 50.15 Reduced The Sum borrowed is 2.8,000,0001. The Three per Cent. Consols were at one time as high as 571 0 but left off at 56i.--Omnium bore a premium of Three per Cent. but at the close'of the Market left off at Two. When the Sum borrowed is considered, the Bargain may be deemed very favourable to the Public. The rate of Interest which the Con traelors receive is nearly 51. 55. sid. per Cent. Dispatche . of a very pleasing nature have been received from Sir RALPH ABIiR.CROMBY, dated in the Archipelago, on the ist of Jan. He had 16,000 men in the highest health and spirits, and was about to proceed to the objet of his destina. tion. Omnium was this day at one o'clock at 2 per Cent. Premium. NNAVALGP 4 ; , NEWS. . _ . ...,, . . ~.., ~ .12:.‹ . . :.... -- ,-ce. • Nox imptrium tetagi, stevuntque tridentem, Std 'Rib; torte datum. PORTSMOUTH, FE E. 16. - , ,t..A-.u... 'THE outward-1)014, .under convoy of the Sr, Fiorenzo Frigate, are.still waiting at St. Helen's,. for what reason we know not, as thevind is fair. L All' REPORT. GUILDHALL, LONDON, FEB. i 6. SITTINGS BEFORE LORD KENYON AND SPLCIAL JURY WHAI,EY, ESQ. V. SOUTHCOTE, BART. This was an Aaion by which the Plaintiff claimed upwards of 17001. upon the validity of Power of Attorney, which was proved in Court to be executed by the Defenda . nt at Jlrislith&m. stone last.summer—Many Witnesses were ex_a a mined on behalf of the Plaintiff. The Defence was, - that indeed a few of the sums ,of money, stated in • a long account; which was read in Court, had been advancectto the Defendant, and therefore the Plaintiff must have a verdid for, such sums; but that as to the • bulk of the demand, it was made up of transac. dons under the most desperate gambling ; scenes, and such as neither Justice, Law, or. Honour, called on the Defendant to pay. There was no Evidencercalled on behalf of the , Defendant, it ..being maintained by Mr.. GA&.. ROW ) that enough appeared on the face of the transadions themselves to make them too odious for credit, in the view of men of true honour, 'lra a Court of Justice. The Jury having received from Lord KarrYolt` an-admirable Address, the substance of which as well as the outline of the Trial, we shall give the first opportunity, retired, and having beer& our of Court about twenty minutes, returned' s 4, Verdict for the Plaintiff, damages 290 i. Mr. SHAIRP, the Brother we believe of Mr. STEPHEN SHAIRP, the Consul-General in Russia, arrived in Town yesterday with Dispatches from Pe tersburgh. _ _ _ Mr. CAZALES, formerly a distinguished Mem . bee of the Constituent Assembly, sailed &Otis Dover on Saturday last in a Cartel for Calais. He goes to France furnished with a passport from BONAPARTE, authorising him to return to hi. own Country. Various rumours have Igen oit, culated. as to the objea of his return, whisp hall not take upon ourselves eithcr.to state as fats or to contratlift. :Nothing is.mote probable than that his own affairs may by the chief end only cause of his leaving this. Country. Mr. Boric, brother to the King's Counsekpf that name, is to be the. New Lord of the 11:04 2 sury, in the rwai of Lord GRE N VE I . 44 GOWER. A certain. Great Personage, we understand) expresses himself very strongly upon the subje4t • of the late Change of Adlninistration. • His aPti nion is, we believe, decidedly with Mr. PITT. , . Yesterday Lord StENcta's Furniture, &e. was removed from the Admiralty to his House in St. James's Place. The Hon. Jaw/ SP sicrzt, ion to Lord CHA. SPENC flit ) is elected Member for the Borough of Wilton, in the room of General GOLDSWORTiIIrg deceased. We yesterday stated, that on Saturday a meet. ing , took place between Lieutenant Mirts.reit, of the Marines, belonging to His Majesty's Ship Monarch, and Lieut.Cti R Ist . lAN LASC I, of the Latvia Frigate, at Queenborough,• near Sheerness when the former was shot dead through the heat"; and the latter through the body, with very little hopes of his recovery. The Marine Officer lies dead at an Inn in Queenborough, for the Coroner's In• quest, and the Lieutenant of the Navy is sent on board the Spanker Hospital-ship, at Sheerness. They were attended in this unfortunate business by a Marine Officer and a Surgeon's Matt, as Se. conds, both of whom have absconded. The parties fought at twelve paces distance, and fired at the same instant. Both fell the first shot. The cause of this unfortunate Affair originated a few months since, at Elsineur, when they both belonged to the Latona Frigate. Some words passed between theth when playing at cards, which occasioned a blow; • but Captain Strria.. sox, of that ship, by his well dined authority, prevented the matter going farther, and made them promise while in his ship they would be quiet, and threatened to bring them both to a Court.. Martial if they did not keep the peace. Since the arrival of the Latona at the Nore, the Ma. rine Officer effected a change with an Officer it the Monarch, which was no sooner done than he received and accepted the Navy Lieutenant's challenge, which was attended with the conse. quences already stated. SHIP NEWS. GRAVEMCD, tc. Passed by—the Celbeune, Flunt, from Harnburgh. Sailed—the Hope, Hurncastle, for India ; Hebe, for Dublin ; Maria, Dudgeon, tor Trinida ; and Lang ston. Webster, for Lisbon. PRICE TIST , F STOCKS, IRDA Y. Bank Stock shut Navy 4; per Cent. gtii 944 s pelt:mt. 1797, 914 t Irish i per Cent. situt .4 ye; Cent. Con. 760 51 3 per Cent. Red. s7A3 64f 3 per Cent. Cun .56i 3 30 Ditto Scrip , L 64 Rank Long Ann. Ditto Snort Attu. Ditto Scrip ' India Stock Ditto Bonds s. dis. Exchequer Bills New ditto Lottery Tickets .oinnium dis. linper. 3 per 4ent, 566 0 Ditto Ann. 104 Bank for Acccunt India for ditto Conti. for Feb. 36e1716.0 dis.