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IMPERIAL PARL :UWE NT. • . • HOUSE 'OF' PEERS - . • I.l , :mykr, 2. • - AT half past two o'clock the KING cattle to this House in the usual Sate, and being seated on the Throne in HisAay al kobet, Mr. Qu A EME, ' • - "NOW UStrei of .the. Black Rod, (in the absence of SirriA.Nots MOLYN . Ypx, through indisposi tion) was dispatched to order the attendance of the Commons, which House } with the Si EAK ER at their head, forthwith appeared at ti e Bar, when His MAjEttY was pleased to ntakc a 'most gracious Speech. fro:A was,. Throne. ' (Fir . TY S Speeef., see our Paper of sterdap 'which coutairied it excLustv ELY.) Ht's MA . JEST,if and his Attendants then retired in the %Una% form, and after the Company, who were chiefly ?Attics, and numerous beyond any former precedent, had 3 • withdrawn, their Lordships proceeded to the business of the_Day. . The Duke of Benroan was sworn and took his Seat. The Select Vestry Resulation Bill was read a first time, t o and an the ground, we believe, of Assertion,of *His Majesty's Speech was then read' in the usual way from the Woolsack, and afterwards by the Clerk at the Table, upon which • ' the' Diaz , of MONT ROSE rose to move the Address. He observed, that in moving an Ad. dress to the Sovereign, on the occasion of his otost gracious. Speech then read, he should first have to call their Lordships' attention to the very IMportant political circumstance which recently took l ilace...-the Legislative Union of the Sister tirigclorns. A circumstance which, he was con *dent, would produce the most important. and fe licitous Consequences to the Empire at, larn and , - happily to Ireland herself. They were now happily united in the firmest bonds, on principles a the Most equitable reciprocity, - and, said his .d ace , Destruaien be upon the heads of those who attempt to separate them This principle of Legislative Union *as not a novel suggestion, of the expedient of the day, the example of Scot. land furnished „ e precedent its' point, and the joppiest presege of , its beneficial effeas. To. weeds that measure; ; the wishes as well ;as the in. teen of the people of Scotland long since happily t ri sded, Much of this was owing, he observe- a, to the unceasing liberality of England towards the people of Scorlenti ; the condua of the Legisla. toe *as tiaiformly of that complexion ;*for in tenets the. Bounties which were granted for the seone.sgement of the Fisheries—the Sums up. propriated to the Improvement of Agriculture, in various shapes --= the favourable regulation of the Malt Duties—and the. religions adherence to that Article of the Union respecting the Land Tax; its applying to Scotland. All these mica- cores; and this .species of coridua, was a proof of the good-will of this Country towards the North. ere, part of the Island. The Legislature might certainly in some instances have Atte(' otherwise,; but they were too liberal; as well as too.wise, to sift in a contrary manner. All this, he said, was evidence to the People of Ireland, of what they had to expea from their Union with Great tritain ; he was happy in the contemplation of their prospects, for he respected them as a Peo ple, taking their .general character, and who, in point of talent - .and valour, were not to he ex ceeded. The' Accession of Power which would accrue to the Empire in consequence of the 'Union, he had some conception of, but Could not ade quately express, and which he confidently *- dieted a little time would abundantly demonstrate. resist& to the important measure of the Scottish Union, he observed, that he gloried in the part taken by his Ancestors in support of that happy measure I their condna at the time fnight not have Veen very popular, but they had the satisfaCtion of seeing not very long after, all cavils against the measure aie away; and every objeaion against it, practically refuted.-- They had the blessings bf their Countrymen for 'their conduct, and all descriptions - of People in both Countries were long since ConVinced, of the 'beneficial tendency of the measure-, and so would it be with respett to Ireland. His Grace then proceeded to consider in a very brief And general manner, the situation of the Country, with re. spec to Provisions, and oh this head, he obserio. ed, that the wise measures adopted by the Legis lature before Christnias; would, he had every fair ground of hope, be productive of the happiest effecb, the more especially when they seemed to be supported with the most patriotic spirit by all classes of the people; which, he had .not a doubt, would be persisted in ; and that the Legislature would continue' their ever "tions towards the relief of their fellow subjects. There were, lie observed, in this view, several extensive tracts of land in this. Countr y -capable of being converted to the most useful purposes of agriculture, respecting which some specific plan would be expedient ; the same might be observ ed with respect to CoMmons, though he was aware that great difference of opinion prevailed 'with respect to the measure of General hick/sure. The Fen Lands too, might be turned to the best account, as some of the most productive ground was known to be that reclaimed from the water. An amelioration o'f_ the Corn Laws might. also 'be effected ; this he well knew to be a qttestion of magnitude; it was one he frequently had 'occasion to consider, and though he approved of the - general principle of those laws, yet he felt that in detail some beneficial alterations' may be made. Upon these important concerns he was convinced their lordships would not 'grudge be stowing a due portionof their time; but 'chear fully,' tor'ritespublic good, turn their most serious r rx` • 4 , .41 ;•".• t. attention to them. • •His Grace then proceeded to take a view of the present circumstances of the Country, with respeet to Continental Politics ; and whatever their momentary complexion might be, he was confident there existed, even in ap. , pearance, no ground for despondency—the Court.. try was strong upon, its own element—it was strong in the justice of its cause. He was awrite he might be -told of a prevalent wish in France for a general Peace but that was very far 'from his belief ; • it was fresh in the recolleCtiOn of all who heard him, that Ministers had repeatedly declared they knew of no impediment to Negotiation. Much as he thought Peace desirable, he did not wish to see the safety or the honour of the Country sacrificed to IL—Again, he was aware that the communications made on that subjeCt by the Chief Consul of France to the Courts of Vienna and St. James's would be loudly spoken of; but these, instead of tending to. general pacification, were for separate Negotiations, and in the then cir. cumstances of these Powers, neither Court could • treat separately without breach of faith.—But the French now were so situated in that respeCt, that they may fairly he brought to the test. The events of War-had so reduced - Austria, as to oblige her to' treat• separately with France ;, that Powet, therefore, no longer being an obstacle in-the way of treating with Great Britain, the French had an ample opportunity of evincing their sincerity. respeet to the powe'r of France, •it was' greater and more :formidable now, than at' any ". former period, even in the much-vaunted period of Lot/ is'XIV. - of. course, it the more behoved this Country to be on its guard with respell to her: He then proceeded to the consideration of the =pending affair with the Northein Powers ; and with 'respect to this, he contended, that Great Britain - only 'exercised her rights as a Belligerent Power—rights' long known, esta. Wished; and repeatedly acknowledged even by those- who now, , in violation of every _princi ple of the Rights of Natieins, presume to dispute them: France herself, anti even Spain, he said, have often exercised similar rights, but nn a greater, - much greater scale, than 'ever was pre. tended to by Great Britain ; for those Powers ; not contented with confiscating the obnoxious pro.. petty found in neutral bottoms, • they even con demned the very ships. .I,.et that be . contrasted with the coodutl of our Admiralty, and the justice and the moderation of our policy will Neat once apparent. Illustrating this part of his arguMent , the Noble Duke was led into a detailed 'ex• positiOn of the Various treaties and connections made' between this Country and Foreign Powers, particularly with those who were now foremost in contesting the incontrovertible right exer cised by the 'British. The treaties of t7go and 1794 he particularly adverted to ; in these, and_ in one of which Denmark and Sweden were par ties, the right. in question was expressly. asserted ; they were never even for a moment relinquished. An 'ability at present owing to the wise condigt -of Ministers; and, above all, to the adivity and zeal of the Noble Earl at the head of the Marine department, was fortunately greater to support our right than it was then ; and was it rational, still less just, to suppose we should relinquishit ? In the Treaty with Russia in 1793, from which he rend an extrati, the principle of our Maritime Rights was expressly asserted ) and propelly acknowledg_ ed by the other contrading party. If Great Britain did not persist in maintaining these Rights; its maritime prowess was at an end--its sun was set for ever; and Its character and tank in the scale of European Nations totally abro gated. To effett this seemed to be our of the views of the Councils of Russia.; it appeared that their aim was to force this Country to The Armed Neutrality they found would net do. The people of Great Britain and Ireland, who are politically the same; were proof against that, The Russian Ministers then proceeded to violate the property of British Stibjeas in that Country; and then to treat their persons with oUts rage and indighity ; these enormities were in. flitted with a view to provoke hostilities; and he believed they had gone to such lengths as neither the. Legislature nor the people of this Country could bear ; • there may exist hopes that the Great Monarch of Russia may yet find that he has been deluded by his Ministers : he should regret the present coaduft of his Government, and feel disposed to make proper reparation to those aggrieved, which would be the truest in:. dication of a great Mind; Impressed, there. fore with the convittion of the necerrity of Great Britain ddfending her incontrovertible rights as a Belligerent Power; and the confidehee that, in case this Country should not receive justice and satisfaftion from those who had oh. N'iously infringed her rights, every man in the Country would have but One -feeling, and firmly resolve to support the teniperate; just, and resolute councils of His MAI astv, he should move a suitable Address for the adoption of their Lord. ships.--. His Grace then read the Address, which, as usual on these occasions; was a faithful echo of the Speech, and in the warmest langtlage gave His Mat esTv the strongest assurances of sup_ port, The'Earl of LUCAN (one of the Irish presentative.Re- Peers, and many years a Memberof the .British House d Crsmnions) seconded the Address, in a maiden speech ) but iti.so very low a tone of voice, that very few words from his Lordship could be distinaly heard below the Rai. He spoke bura eery .shott time, and by what we could acileet, merely ;lanced at those topics tr*ett , of in detail and' with much ability by the Noble Duke who moved the Address ; -ale Noble Earl delivered himself with MUch,grace,,and , was more than once cheared by those of their Lord ' ships who heard him. Ea?! 11177 W LL lAM spoke at sonie length, and rather in disapprobation of the Address, as originally proposed by the Noble Duke.—He observed in vindication of his motives, that no Peer in that House could be more zeahith in up , holding the honour of the Crown or the real in terests of the Country than himself, but in so MD mentous and important a crisis as the present, it was incumbent on their Lordships seriously to consider before they committed themselves by any decided steps ;—it was of the greatest im. poriance in such a crisis, to conciliate the minds of the People, in which idea he fully agreed with the Noble Duke ; and, also, that His Majesty's measures should lac supported against the ancient and.inveterate Enemy of the Country, or against any other - Power that unequivocally Manifested themselves to be such ; but it was the duty or the House to pause, and to inquire. He adverted to the' situation which 'he described the Com try .to be in, •not pis irwas•at the commencement of the War, engaged singly with France, sup. ported by almost ' all the Powers of Europe, but se)lich wete . since converted either into Neutrals, of direft Enemies. The Country'avas attacked by some Cif its quondam Allies, and even held Etta ttv-Europe as the aggressor ; these were clear ly fit- obje&S of inquiry, and it behoved. the. Rouse to institute it. Such a lioe of proceeding Was most suitable to the honour Of ills MA.JES. rii; and the interests of the Country. No Peer could wish with more sincerity, to •see the ex-. orbitant power of France reduced than ',himself, and to see her placed in such a situation', by • the restoration' of the Ancient Monarchy, as not to endanger the liberties of Europe. The late events, and, the calamitous situation of the Cum. try, were such, as should militate against that principle of unbounded confidence, which so long prevailed with reSpe& to Minister's. The Powers withiwhom they were now in contention, if con verted into Enemie,, would be those of their own Seeking. His wish naturally was to avoid that and that it could be done, former instances could shelv. - We were more than once in similar cir cumstances, and Hostilities were avoided : Con. federacies against our Naval Rights died away of themselves.' They should be cautious; lest they should consolidate into one hOdy and into-: rest, Powers whose interests were ,various , anti even clashed, and use some tliacrimi.titatiern .-bc . - twien the Cases of the different Powers in question, which, .he insisted, were perfealy distinel; Those of the Courts of‘'Stockholra and Copenhagen werelaerfealy distill& from that of St. Petersburgh ; to . 6rinde why), he enter. fed into some details. We understood the :Noble Earl to censure the cantina of the last-mentioned Court. He contended for the propriety of it quiry into the causes of these misunderstandings, and intimated that he should propose an Amend: ment to the Address to sash an effeet,- and seemed to argue for the policy of admitting vigorous and decided measures in the event of satisfaftiOn and reparation being refused upon proper •rtpresenta . nuns being Made, and pacific dispositions Mani fested. The Noble Earl concluded with moving an Amendment to. the . eiTet, he stated in the course of 'llis Speech, to be inserted is the regu lar plac e in the Address, and of course the coy. responding omissions to he made. EarIafSUFFOLK, aftei slightly noticing what had passed upon the Address, adverted to the circumstance of the Army Returns, which, upon a motion of his in the late Parliantent,.had been ordered to be laid before the House, not having been .presented-He was proceeding to call upon the Noble Secretary of State for an explanation; When . LortGRENTILLE rose, and after reitiinding the Noble Earl of the Question regularly before the House, advered to the irregularity of calling upon individual Peers to answer direllty sitch questions. He would .infotm him that the order of the last Parliament, in consequence of its ek tirdion, fell try the gt ; :but the House had it in their power to resume it ; added to this, he was not the Officer *host! duty it Was to sttpdt. intend these returns:--=He Was not infordied of the difficulties Which Might attend making than out. At present the RoYal Command, or An humble Addres: of the Maw, could 'alone cause their produllibit: The E4r76 . ISTPFOIK observed, that he con ceived the Noble Lord the Most proper person to apply to on such occasions. He then proceeded to a detailed account of the principal EiptAi tidos in the present War t and the necessity there existed for the Retails alluded to, to cleat up what peared to want explanation in the Expedi don to Holland respeeting which he produced, and read extratts from seveml private accounts. In the course of his observations he ecjinplimented the professional tharaller of the Pail of Mo tR A, who lie asserted was never intended to be employ ed as held forth; and the objects in appointing hint ter the Command were very ditrerertt from Military ottes.-He proceeded to a vatiety oroii_ servations respelling the ccindull of' certain Offi cers while in aftual service, and was going to state some particulars, telat,ilre to the late Lord G. GeithtAiNE while on the Continent,' when _ _ Me Earl of CI.ARZ' spoke to order, and said, he 'could see no conflation between the condutt of Lord GEORGE GtRMAINC, and Expeditions to the Coasts of France, with the question before the House, which the Noble Earl wandered from to cast relleftions on the charaetert of certain Military Officers. He certainly must himself feel that he was out of order, and.ought to confuiti hitnseff to the question. • The Earl of. :51..;1 7 F0LK contended, that ii,;; was not out of order; and proceeded to 01):;ez.vii upon the various. Expeditious w censure the Mi., rusteriid. condutt, With resped, to than. He •ad.. verted generally to the pre,ent 'suite:of the Colin.: try; as critical and dangerous in the extreine-- seemed to say that. the measures now pursuing ought to have the sanefion of an - Illustrious ,Per 4 sonage;—second,, only to the kiii g that Ministers should he held'closely recponsible for the State of the Country, with re,spea to, its.defencein the present moment o f peril; am talked of making the Uwe of Ministers, mittlt resped to some of the, paints he stated, grouhds, for their impeachment.. •„. • The Duke f ATIIOL, in a very sensible and spirited Seeeeli v eeifsdred such a• departure froth. the Question regularly before the . .HOuse, He then spoke in support of the original Address 7: :-'• followed up with much etlet't the arguments'Of . the Noble Mover of the Addiess, anti stated-hi: disapprobation of the Amendment. .Lord ROMNEY followed, on nea . rly similar', grounds, in' reply to what had fallen from the Noble Earl who oppu,sed thei Address. He ob-, served, that the Court of Denmark had very late., ly attempted to treat us- in the ,satne way the three Coale rd Powers. were about ncr.v. , -;•a dif ference only- in iome pattleular4 with respect to Sweden :-.but Mien three Powers, united as they, have done, we should .tonider them as embarked , 2' in an cause. With a Noble. Duke lie, agre&l; in • blaming - the insincerity of 'l3o c e:swrci and that somethisig should he done to bring. hirii to the test; 'and-to evince to the, people of ,both Countries where the fault lies. The Documents which ho read were mach to the credit of Mini. ; sters, who• very ably parried- tile Artful attempts of the French Chieftain to over,.reach them. - The End of DA RArOY spoke at some length.' His ofThrgat M ent appeared to be favour - ,of . the:Arrtenarnent ) and - he contended for the pro. priety of institutingi an Inquiry: Ile particu.: larly dwelt upon •the Anirs.of.Egypt i l whither; he s h e e nd sa i •of Curgai 1 : i ll a t :A d err:milt; thated c ! . e 3. strong reason confidence hitherto reposed :iii ‘Ministers. ' Ltird Romtitt explained.' • Earl SPENCER roses and, adverting'in'ilte first 4 Dia*Ce to that which, alluded to the Union, he exlaressed " satiSfaetion the measure, ' which', 'he trusted, would becOme more and more the subjett of Con gratulation every day. On - 'this - snbjeet be was glad to find no dissentient I'OiCC ' with rope to the Amendment the Noble Lord w hahati Moved its appeared: to think'that before the - strength of; the Country was exerted, it would - • be proper to go into an inquiry ; that, front- the• nature of it must go,back 'through the events of a•lcing period, and'involve tfittch dtfFtcmltys and ;Ms.-before any decision was come to.epon a point which the Noble Mover of the Arnsndmint himself ad_ mitred it was both right tthoOld be done, and which it wai the ditty of the House to do'. n`T'hi's proper. 0, aitd - thiS duty were however -t‘ be postponed to an inquiry which must thwart and be injurious to the safety of the Country. His , Majesty's Ministers had indeed, as .had beets stated, enjoyed the confidence of the' Country, a, confidence for which they were, as they ought , to be, grateful: Was the present' however the time, when the difficulties of -their situation • and Of the Country had evidently increased, when it Wasaahvions• from the cOnduet of certainPower.s7 in -Europe, that they entertained that opinion, to withdraw - from Minister's - the' confidence which had hitherto been reposed in theni I - Was the conunencement of the United _Parliament the pro. per moment to chuse for such a measure, when.. the impression it initst.occasion was so evident What were the niotives.orged - for sc f doing cause; - according to the Noble Mayer of the Amendment, the Expeditions, which Administra. 'don had. thought necessary to fit out, every ono ; chat had been fitted out during the hist iwo s cars, had failed. He denied the truth of this assertion,. and particularly 'as far as it relates to the Expe— dition to Holland: if an inqUiry Could ron such a subjcft be fairly ginie into, he. was 'confident,, that it, would turn out highly .creditable to .1i: a NIA jsu 's Government: Their Loidshipa 'would; he was satisfied, pause , before they- pronounecti such a censure, and before they. declared- such- a mode-of carrying on. the Wars a, Misdemeanour. They Would recoiled, that it was impossible to carry on an.offensivc war without many such Ex.. • peclitionsOf the Expedition against Ferrol,' even those Who held that it had failed of success, had not ventured to say shat it had produced any dhaster. With respell to the . Cadiz one, he believed it cotild hatdly'be deemed blameable in Admini: stration, that they were ignorant of the' Plague prevailing in that particul ar pastty,as the Expetti:, don had been undertaken long before the fact was known: He should be very happy to meet any inquiry on . these heads ; but he felt confident that •the impression occasioned by their Lad. ships coining to such a sesolution,. woh l d pro: duct worse effects than could be compensated by any advantage that he could sec.likel'y to be tie. rived. from it: -The Noble Mover of the Amend; meat thought Ministers had It6ied, wrong with respeft to the advice which they were stipposed to have given to .our Allies. According to this principle, it was wrong to have advised those who had themselves the means olkidging cif the • propriety of•the 'advice to make any attack, Le.