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I,2:II ) ERIAL PARLI4MEIV T. HOUSE OF PEERS. TUESDAY, JUNE 9. THE various Bills before the House were for warded in their respeftive stages. On the occasion of the second reading of the Bill for inclosing ,certain parts of Windsor Foreir, .a conversation arose between Lord Tnuß Low, the - Earl of ROFLYN, the LORD - CHANCELLOR, and the Earl of RADDi-)R, in consequence of a suggestion from the first mentioned Peer, that the Bill as in iolving considerations of private property, should be,referred to tbe consideration of the Judges.— The Earl of ROSLYN 'Seerneil to entertain rather a contrary opinion ; ,the LORD CHANCELLOR, to a certain extent appeared to have doubts as to the particular case before the House, but upon the whole, he inclined to the opinion of the I\f7lite and Learned Lord who spoke first ; and the Earl of RADNott 'suggested that the particular clauses alluded to by the Learned Lord, 'should only be. referred. to the consideration of the Judges.:—This proposition meeting the concurrence of the House, an order was made accordingly. On the question for the second • reading of the reennek Port Bill, `Mr. M'Knight's Petition was taken into consideration, and Mr, DALLAS, the Counsel was heard at considerable lengtlt.in support of 'the same.---Mc. ADAM was afterwards heard in behalf of the Bill. When the. Counsel bad with , drawn, . The Lo - R0 CHANCELLOI? observed generally upon the importance, Of the, BUJ, and stated, that be felt a strong impression on •I . tis mind as to what should . be the decision of the kfouse resf)eaing the measure before it. Notwithstanding which, he wished to posipone the further consideration of the Bill till 'to-morrow ; in the mean time, he Ihould look over the Aets of Parliament which had been referrLi to, and be the better enabled to state the grounds for that decision, which he thought it would be proper in their Lordships to make. His Lord. ship inforMed the Counsel, 'they need not attend -again, and the House Made the necessary Order for the concideration of the wasure.to.Morrow. On the Motion of the bake- of BEDFORD, the `Standing Orders of the House of Commons, respeCt , ing Inslosure Bills, recently communicated to their Lord/hips, were ordered to be printed : and to be referred to the Seled Committee of their Lordships, appointed- to consider the Standing Orders of the Lords upon the same. subje6i. Several Bills relative to the Administration•of th e C4overnment of Ireland, op the Affairs of the Reve nue thereof, were brought up from the Commons‘by Mr, Coital', Chancellor of,the Irish Exchequer. ' A few Bills were also presented by Mr. BRAGQE A Message from the Commons waa delivered by the latter Gentleman, requesting that a Communi cation of their Lordships' Standing Orders, on the subjeft of Inclosure Bills, might be made to chat The LORI? CIPINCELLOR by order of the 'House stated, that their Lordships: would send an answer by Messengers of their own.. It was ordered on the motion of - the Duke of BEDFORD, that-their Lortiship' Committee on the subjea of Standing Orders, &c. do have power to communicate from time to dine with (as we heard the Nethie Duke) the Committee of the House of Commons, appointed for the same purpose, and thht a Mescage he sent to the Commons, acquainting that ' • Home with the same.; and their Lordships' Stand ing Orders respeaing Inclosure Bills, should he coin rnunicated to the CtiunnoPs pursuant to the requisi. • tion of that House. Their Lordships then adjourned at Half past Seven , o'Clock. till to-morrow, ROUSE - OF COMMONS. TUESDAY, JUNE 9. A .Message from the Lords signified that they had iigreed to the Militia Adjutants' Bill, The Irish Qualification Indemnity Bill, The Militia Sub altern Officers' Bill, The Dublin Foundling Hos_ pita! and Workhouse Bill, and to agree number of private bills, without Amendment. ; aidthat they liitil pas4ed the Scotch with several Atner A h-nents, in %Vhieh 'they' desired the concur fence of the House. A Petition Will presented from Mr. George Bed ford of Ely Placet Solicitor to Mrs. Addison, star_ Lag, tint Recording to Order of tl:e [rouse he h 1 gone to Mr. Addtson'g house, - and counting.house, to serve him with a Copy of the Bill now before the House, for divorcing him'from Mrs. Aadison, bun that he wit.; inform& that Mr, A4disoo w.ts abrciad : That being. thus precluded fro m serv i ng. him persopftlly %it!) a Copy,of the he had car. tied' the. Copy to the House of Mr. Henry. Smith, Mr—Addison's Solicitor, and left it with him. In these circumstances, the Petitioner prayed that' this might be accounted 4 good. service, The SPrAitElt" b Lift ea three Precedents of the conduct of the Rouse 'in, similar circumstances. ' • Mr. Bcdford was then called in and examined as to the truth or the ollegatiou contained in Otis Pet ion, Kll of which he confirmed. A Motion was than made cooformable to the prayer celLte Petition ; cvhich was oppokd 1w Mr. iOI,IrIFI'E, 4110. sup orted by !Ur, WII.I,IAM DUN. DAS, and •IVIr. PIER?,.FPOINT, prccedents,nicotiong4.by the Sr NAKETI 7 were read'frorn the jouruli by the Clerk, and its ap. gearing that they were in favour of Motion, was agred to without far:her conversation, ;fhe I louse * fesolved itself into a committee on t h e hilt to ret P rulAte Ditnutesi between.Ma 4 ters a nd , V seryants. Thst Report was received; the farther conside- Taticn of it deferred till Thursday, and the sill, as 40tentieti, ordered to be printed.. Sack Er4Ry at . W4it intimated, that the lkillrnbets appointed by the House had waited on. M AJ gsT y with Chet' joint. Address of the two Bows of ParriaMCnt, with an Answer to His MA T ,rgSTV4 I MNPMAC , relatiYe to the Promulgation of ,St r itutos, which was recpived most graciously, fttc;;Attn GAl.ton prpeowi r fteV9rl pf it WitickWr G4Ol ga, PULTENEY said, that he night not take the East India Company by, surprize, he now rose to give n9tice, that on Friday he would move for the Produetion of several Accounts fiont that Company. . The' Lards;' in a thessitge, ierested. a Capy of the SecOnd Report of the Commatee of Secrecy, of the House, 'which was serit I the same messen, - gers. ' - - 'Mr. BRAGGE . moved, that a Message be sent to the Lords, to request that they would eommuni. cate to the House'such of their Standing Qrders as relate to Inclositre Bill?. The Motion was agreed to, -and Mr. BRAGGE .appointed to carry `the Mes.. sage. NON-RESIDEWE OF THE CLERGY. Mr. DICK,..NSON jun. moved, that 'an MI of the ZIA Henry. VIII. chap. 13th, 50 far as it relates to' the Reidence of the Clergy,, be read ; which being crone, be proceeded to make a few ob. servations, which sit was imposSible to hear in the gallery, and cOncluded with moving, that the House do now resolve itself into a Committee, to consider so much of the said Ad as relates to the Residence of the Clergy, and their taking of farms. • Mr. GREGOR seconded the Motion, and con tended, that by the late prosecutions, under this Ad, for.lsion.:residence, the greatest personal hardships have been incurred by many deserving individuals, of which he gave. two or three instances, that the MI has, in such cases, been inforced solely for the purposes of extortion.. The deters of the Mt ex.: tended, in -his opinion, much farther /Ilan- to the ,subjeel of Non-iesidence. According to the provi sions, of :he Mt, no' Clergyman can buy or sell cattle for the purptms of profit. lhis*is, in fad, prohibiting the clergy limn farming • their own glebes,. or, endeavouring to tnake tip the deficiency of their frdquently very scanty incomes, by taking small farms. He was most. decidedly of Opinion, thti s t some alterations should be made'm the law as it now stands, , Sir ROBERT BU.XTOAr expressed his regret, that the hardships complained of by,the Hom Gent. who spoke last should :have resulted Irekin the -law as,to the Non-residence of the Clergy ; bat particllar hardships; in his opinion; could-nor form a sithici ent•ground for an alteration 'of the law. As ro tht.! second." part , of the - proposed mc... - ,cre,. he really could not give'it his . epprobatioo ; for he,thought it altogether inconsistent with the clerical efiaraeier,, that the Clergy should be dealei ; for thei?lown profit in corn or. cattle. A Clergynnui's name Mt - cry - a 1)... p:ored in theilist of bankrupts in the Gazette. fie did not wish that melt a thing shot i dd Occur. again. Any alteration ptcsent law would meet with his disapprobation. Sir Ir. , ScOTT thought that every thing which could tend to ent;nce the %residence of the Clergy,. ought to meet with the countenance of the HouSe, hut he knew well thai great indivichtal hardships have been :sustained from the. present ,Law upon that subjeCt, and . that Law has been made the glom{ the grossestor 'exttion He • • , t h oug h h e . WtsDegl ti eCifOrk ITNidellee as much as could not kcip thinking that seine ' riziguiii ti6ns• ought to be made,' which would pit: an . en,l to the evil complained of, if they, could be adopio,i without limiting the restraints upon non.resi.iig4',ec, As co the seecoti part of the propw,cd ineasurb, h e could conceive ; no evil consequence which would result from allowing cite Cie.rg'y to rata the Glehe:: _allowed them by the Legi,latkc, and to•turn them to' thebestaccou t that they lie knew that the clamour throughout tile 'ci ti ry against non,resi_ dence has been, cry great (perhaps iii many'cases it is well foundeo), but he was convinced 'that i t is not authorised to the caent:to t hich it has been o tricd. Se , Seine of the 'Clergy May have negleeted their duty, and by nor residing among ttiose whose spiritUal concerns they have engaged to, supe t intend, justly laid themselves open ; t collate and puniihL . mein, but he %Vas cnavineed.that the great body of then) are. men of principle and lyinonr, and that it would be found on inquiry, 'that :the clamour 'which has been raised against them is in b a sreat degr'pe'itn just. He concluded 'with exPressing.his,approba tion.of the Motion:.: • The Motion worthen put and: agrcOd to. ‘ The' House having resolved .ibiClf into the Com mittee, . Mr. DI,CKENiON Moved, it That the Chairin'an be directed to move the flOuse for leavt to bring' in ;,,Bill to protea and ,rslieve, under certain restric tions and r%ulations, persollS, from v•Fxa tiotts Prosecutions liy eomMon informers, 'Under - an Ael. of the 21st littrcttY r,3, for their, non.residencc, and their tid , zink of farms." The CIIANCIELL9,R. the. LXTHEOUE P said, be was inippy dint. the tionourable.Movec, of • • . this matter 'had • rehnqutshed all intention of ;my. ing the Repeal of - the A 4 of HtNity VIII. because though ht; might approve of his general objeal, he rtAtli not have giVeln his vote in support of such Motion, He ivas i alw bro.', that he fOlif,d it in his power to agree 'tt, th :Aelotionnow.inade,. 'cause it goes only to reuncay specific inconverni. encies'iesulting from the general l.iw, the principle of which be must ever approve, and nor ,to alter that low. ' lie agreed with his, Right Hon. and Learned Friend (SirW. ScoTT), that this .Ati has been applied of late for the purposes of mortion, and persecution, but yet the law. appeared to him good in its principle, as rending to promote a most important object, the I.esidenvo of the Clergy. He hoped that there would hp no difference of opinion as fo the, second pan of 04 prOposed siii, 'flat the Clergy should be'oblig..:4 to confine themselves as•much as 'possible to the exercisi. of theirkacred and important illations, could not. be doubted.— Bur considering that the incomes of many of them are extremely inadequate to the 4upprt of their families, in the dignified and independent situation of life which they ought to hold, he could see no impropriety in.their being idlowod to eNeavour to increase those incomes,. by farming 'small Farms,. either In place of, or along with the Glebes, allowed tlieni by the Legislaturu. He ' was 'far from wishing that they should 'be: allowed to cit.' gage to such an e x il ent i n secu l ar omployments, as , to divert them from paying their privteipal attention on t. 9 al* bacrgfi 4 1 4( 1 0, INt he bel4tvgd it would be alloWetl that no secular employment is less incon sistent with the clerical charafler and duties then ,agrieultneal pursuits, provided tliey are limitcd'to a certaia, extent. There could be no doubt that it wilt be 'difficult to limit precisely to what extent the ClergyTmay he allowed to employ . themselves in such pursuits, but that would fs.rm a subject of subsequent consideration, when the Bill should he before the Houses He-was- happy that. the Hot;. Mover of the . Bill does not mean to leave it solely to the. discretion of the Bishops or Archbishops- in what cases -residence may be dispensedswith ; but that he means to specify in the, Bill which he proposes to introduce, as Much as possible . " these cases. No doubt a discretionary power must be lodged by this, 'Bill somewhere, to judge of 'cases which may be unforeseen o r which cannot be'speci. fied. Though he thus approved of this measure, he. hoped that it will. be only temporary ; and that s well digested and more 'general system of regulation will speedily be brought •before the 'Legislature . . from some quarter orother. That 'such' 'a' system' should be . brought forward :this Session, he' could not exiled, but he was anxious that it may be as little delayed. as prissible, 'When it 'is brought forward, it will naturally be founded on theconsider atiOn that many cases do,. as things at present stand, exist in which- it would be improper to enforce resi dence, because there are many-livings in the Church,_ which if residence were enforced, would not ;larch° the Incumbent an income much exceeding that ola day-labourer, and which are totally inadequate for supporting.him in .the respeetability s of station, in which, for the purposes of usefulness in his office, he 'ought to be -supported. When such a general system, therefore, is brought forward, .he hoped it would also be taken, intO'consideration, if the great resources of the Country can. be better applied than to increase- the incomes of- certain livings in the: Church, so t!set the holders of them may be enabled to reside in their-parishes, ',and at the same time maintain the rank iss life:which is necessary to their usefulness. The smallness of livings is an encou. ragement to pluralities; pluralities necessarily pro duce non,residence, and non-residence is the great evil complained of. HU begged' pardon 'Of the House .for taking up so much of its, time in advert :lig to subjeets, not imtnedi,nelv before it, but rcces. sarily arising out of the Question under considers . - - tion. He expressed his approbation oldie *posed measure, considering it as a temporary one. ' Mr. WHITBRE/W rose to Make a few` observa ... dons on what had. just haler' frozo'tlie:Clpttc - E1..1..0R Of the EXCHEQUER. He cortceived that There could be no drubs thitt it 2s the general wilt of the Country, that the rtsidence of the elvr B y , shoulil be enforced as getteraiiy.as posittie, but That it is at the same time dsir.tble to prated :The/Clergy from vrxatious prosecutions.. "i he nature' of the .mensure. propoFel must natotaily every ruifid, and has led the Right fioLi. G:ntletnan, into a field much wider than that to which' it `of. itself exten,L ; and fie agreed with the Ri g ht tlLma..), that it may•be proper, ; . ti soon'as possible, 3i.,-;:cr- the attention of the Legishiture to the keik!Gues of the ChiaA, fo th'e mode of their col teLtion, and 10 t: The mode. of their elltectit%n - obliges many of: the Clergy `to' becOote ;what the Honourable Baronet beli:nd hi (Sir Ronsitr iluxTo:4) expreised •s m kit uf their becoming--Dealers :tot Jobbers in Corn, &c. He believed that 113 per.,tin will deny that. this mode of ,cell pion, 4 or, !1 words, the present system 'of Tythes; Is pernicious to the Agriculture of the Coup_ try, hut it is notles so tO 'MI morality, for stireiy nothing can be more . destruffive of the morality of the Country, thah the dissentions and disputes which the . colleaionof Tythes ,frequently occasions • be.' tween the People,anit thOse Who are appointed to superintend and direet, their spirituakconcerns.— When, 'tbetefore, .any general SySteill of regulation is brought forward, which .he hoped - will be done soon, by. the Right. Hon. Gentleman or some of 'his Friends, he hoped that this subjed will be particu . larly attended to. He perreeity agreed with the Right Hon. Gntleman as to the necesiity of doing sornethi3g to remedy the ev)ls arising from the smallness .Of 'many of the Livings in the Church, as no doubt this l'orms the great source of pluralities and non.residence ; but he should, indeed, be sorry, if recourse should: be had to the public purse. to te_ medY e titis evii,.convineed as he ‘Vat :that the reve nues of the 'Church colettiVely, if properly diStri'... butdd, are perfeetly.adcquate for the sufficient pay. meni of-all its Officers. • '7",ie CHANCELLOR of the - EXCHEQUER he would feel as much sat;staetion ,as the lionoutable Gentleman if 11 objedt could, be ac- Complished without- expence to the Public, bur he doubted much if this could, be efietied. He knew the pahPie-ptejudied oti ,rhe subject ; but. ha alt.° knew that 'in many cases •i 4 iivas a very, false pre. judica. For instance, it is thought that the incomes of the ,Dignitaries of -die Church are exorbitant, - whereas ha" could, slate from his own. knowledge, that the incomes of seyeral of .she Bishop's' do not arnount . to..more than what youl4 1e 'thought ade. ciuAte,for otlickating Parish Priest.' . Mr. WHITBREAD said a few/words in exp)ana- tion. • 4 i • 1514 . :101(1V PARNELL had no objeffinns to the Motion, bur reverted to himself the liberty of opposing the Bill in the proper stage. 1-le c‘ontenti.. ed; that the principle of the existing law is good it ought not to be; annulled Because particular hard ships may result from it. _ _ D'r., LAWRENCE approved of the proposed measure 'as being specific in its nature, but expressed his disapprobation of the speculative plan of future general alteration of the Law, which had been brought forward. Mr. DICKENSON, jun. supported the. Motion, and insisted upon the injustice of almost all the aCtions which have of , late been brought Under the Ad of HENRY the Eighth. • . The SI I E.4KL:I? begged to say a few Words on this most important question. Many subjects were 'evidently conneeled with it, which, in his opinion, this was not the time to discuss. The law, as it now stands, :was framed in very different circum., •stances than those whieh now exist, and for very differtnt ?wpm from than to which it nqw made subservient: revision of it, therefore, in ordertc adapt it more W.:present .circumstance and purposes cannot but be expedient. Besides in the A6t HENRI-Num - there is a power Vested in the Crown .to dispense with the law, which shews, that even ii framers - of it liatl;tio .their cOntemplition, dream stances in which the execution tifit would be imps per. Some alteration or the law, and some new rep; _lations may therefore be in present circumstances nt cessary, though the ginttial ininciple'ought still t be adhered to. lie was .by no means clear, the :these should go to the extent proposed by son ;gentlemen,. but the measure now .proposed ws ; unconnetted With these .speculative, , plans. HI therefore, . _Approved the .motion now _before tF House. As to allowing the Clergy to hold farms t a certain extent, he conceived it to be propel but if carried beyond, that extent, .to be very dat I..;erous. He would only farther observe, that th Prohibition on this subjed; contained in the Lase was originally - intended solely as a restriction the 'ol'eat religious_ houses - existing when the L ay j was, framed, which made immense profits fro agricultural pursuits. The Motion was then put, and agreed to: The Report was brought up, received, and nreec to by the House, and le a ve was given to bring 211 • Bill pursuant to 'it. BANKERS NOTES PORGERY • Sir LF.ORD Moved the further co nsiders: tion of the Report on the Bill for the better ,fre.ven. • ti©n of the Forgery of Cou ntr y B a nk Notes' sc hief Mr.-DENT said, he thought that more than good would result f rom t hi s It woulet give tt - degree of confidence in Country Bank-51 whiell their security did riot authorize them. .l his Bill went to put. the Country jl wit!! the. Bank of England, and ~to gislative sanerion, to which they were not entitlai. 1k moved ; 'flier - Clore, that the further cons ideration of Report be taken :into consideration o n this day three months, • Siir Rt) BE leis BUXTON seconded this Am end ' h ment, on situilar'grounds.. - • He thOugut that te Law against Forgery, as it now stood, was suffiejenti. Since the influx of Paper, and the gridc..ioct6se ° cotintry'Banks, 'the value of Money wa s. lessene d, Andthe•,price of'evcry,.articicdf.Provision in' creased., a g n i k v s e then• an a : I t e i:e c .. 4 W.'ELFORD defended the Bill. Its 01)0 was to protett Private Property, and also t he ?Lib; Js lic tom having forced upon them Forged Notes, .. 3 f well As for the' better prevention of the etio e Forgery, insdalso for the mitigarion of the Purity"' ,relit of Forgery, in certain instances. - Mr.'DENT explained, .. , Colonel . argued in favour of the Bil l ' ,Jts• tendency was to .save innocent persons, I Y, ll° may-have-talcat-inpyinent Forged country S ank Notesl •- Mr. rIERNEY objected-to the Bill, on th e groUnd of. its....being.. - a.hatsh increase of the P en t / Laws, witl,lout a : cause ~ being sufficiently :iv& (_) 3 1 1 to justify such a'ineasUre. As the Legislature,/1: made the Bank of England Notes pit of the P r o ' a lat big medium of the Country, the /louse sva!h_°, llna 6ito protect t t ir l :l 4 t. ti i t e f 3 o t u o n r :b , ° :!: , l s i sla` P lf r° o llt f r C t) o 7; U ' O b t.r l Y ir . 111'°aPskuciNi st ic°1:eriis. c;ruld lie sons of little or no Pro s p in e ' r ° t l y itt f .° Z e i -k: t eh.arsrkf . - e7l be , Ptellrg; • Banking 'trade ; such rnett'coui .Sea y the legal fair.trader6, nor were - they' entitles 'to., protection Of their Notes. no ore could be,Said.togive A Legislative 5,P4_1:64. to the Country' - Bank Notes; their applying SI Northern parts of the Country ,, were, artiCle FIQ to them.could be said to dro - so. Such Notes ,10- t • olit S.'M.tii? pox , argued in favour Of:the /11111 ,; s, prime necessitY; et Of the O m n- s t ) l t l i e on g , ue t s i t l i e o .H n o t t h !s a c t ncl e stand , p•-- , • Ayes 40---Noes'itMajority 29. ,The,.Report -was then'brotiht up :Ind re94 SO, and the or:tiered to be read a third tone. VICE AiMiRALTAt CO:URTS 13114, The flouse•Went into a Committee °I) t he 13111 >S I eS granting certain contingent annuities . to of the•Vite-Admiialtr. Courts of Jamaica) nice', and, Halifax, in Nova Scotia. SCOTT,- after -stating the talents a, na ft , r u e gi d i 'sPedability. of those who. would be appointo, ne j, the Englishsßar, to fill such Courts, rneO ta f i ce , ell4t (A.: Contingent Annuity, after adns l * se t no t proposed to be allowed in any one case , s h ould : exceed the sum of t0.001.' Mr. TIE P. NEY wistieti to guard against . , ir *vei o • improvident expenditure el:4We Public 14Q,121; was afraid the present 'riseaspreviai Calcidateti brjos crease. the- influence. iof Minister,}, as, .fors!4 knew .to the •coniraryk the persons t to l*.'r r i cveo ed by Mikisrets might be rec'alled in six 0 4 ' months. time, _ and.(eceivethis annuity. • , • • • • o nuor" v4/3 4 . .:•i 1,7.h' aintessed .that , the , on e. able .06,neleitants ,. §bservatiOn was . a reasotti bi ` ol d be As it u;as of iwoixiitice that the 'selation he., pi.,,. , miioeof Rerso t dat,,Aeune eispwietiee oug ht Nveli as general respcltability, the proYisioliotiot to lie inatte. thV'S'aine tinieo; h e t - Ole 1(.110; Ullreikongbk time at WhlC a l sdr‘ a onni.ty,ritigiit. ,granted 7 • •supposiog after vice - of-fiVeinr4Vvenyeais:' . • estioi l The .SPEAKER said he - approved of the st r gio a ss' (6%00-tO-a toin pe'rio d a ' ) ; e s ub. . . of limitin 1 °P e service, ‘ leaving it at the Onie time a ,)r, jecl for the 'future 'consideration Of PatOan' t ,l on any ,special. case 'should "occur. 40 a ca ll u i t , ;It 3° berality or, the House to •grfint aPn earlier - period. , e idea' Mr. JOHN concurred - in the . sam 1 40 t ' 11 'Sir IV. S COPT then - rnosred, thlt ‘, Ese l ateo Iw o . urrs opinion - of the ,Committee, that - I lis.; -`l\/.4Jund, enablett CO grant,. out o f th e Consolitlof ja. to such judges,Of the V C ice -Admiralty n et . maica, Martinico, and HalitlX.,- tan __" i • nn_.., te d t ill exceeding tOcol. such Atot e after a certain period of service. • w oe morrow; t th eCc n Mr. BRAGGE brought up the Repot , o reslusukleedß:tsh°elußtieopnobreti,vvngas' 20grrde:rdettin;Oabnedr:1:e7i4431 I°' inittee of Supply, relativ,c: - td the ..65t4b115"1" Mel