The Sun. — London, England, 1811-06-12 00:00:00

. . ,„........-• ' 4tt'A. whiltltbos+3. dtrlstht; to siy that the', r.., ...,sot - r." , ie who the !Ay linploprhoi,fr• pAdrtrike 1,1tIrl""Qi, said paid to the Clert;y. Welt I . 4 .ll4.',lxelliten ty, (ho but shoal :the oppressijir ot'‘l'L Ti'he P n ro r ft ,i ) i t: td 4 t,,,, taiitelion, it any existed, w a% not r -- ,„'...,_ o f Tithe Proctor, tint by the 'lithe fk.rumer4- 'Lim' the.tilass whi. ft had he...il prop .self tor I- lie - - seltet 01 'Ot larollunders, WA. to etliible 1;le, 'C'ergY 'l9 .:;rant.olie 61444 their tithes for a term of year,s- t'e" ' ' ' ls` . , . _ oh regartyoe eftbigte,i,atevative4 complained (P tv lilt t, was. tityir unc:rtaitily and varia:ion't a nd th Pkr ntia totoplained thht the rnor, inthistrtotts he iii). i PrOvart, the tit bet WI.. oprressed. BrLit the I" Y i , is . , Pltilinli Ittfil ill(a. , y t.,.... power ot giaitting' e 4 5 41 2: 1 41,16111.10.!, as much iBBI , 81' an ,' ~alt of - their estates ,: 6'4 guilts a A leterletlf, tad, that those ~ i irroos ``*(),. Pitt lily iiinei tooter duke :cases, .4 etc Wot se oil tli lit loose A tit) 1);ItC1 07 the Cit.l gy, It WAS ObYll'u* 111 ' 11 0 10,81 ixptiriel)(3..., dim (lie 1.11.1:8 83.1 ..gr,40111)g." , I `. ''‘') 'wild not o , , erate , as , a remedy 101 the ev i l: , I, ''"li,rirhirt ot ; hh4,-yer,. the ; ian - Wits 080%1 1 I i lilel'u 'u'l"., nth! 3 •1184. wits tratimaqtrOrt t t.f2 SUttVC -,, uy oo e of the ;,t,leti L5,,,Aer,,,,,1ft,,Va5., youitw ur In Ir laird, L'f,t 11,,Q,,•:,:ia,,...; tui,,..siPon ilk: 13.111eSt coti- bji-x --s deintion that ti , lild it., gailot.o , to,t4su many u ,tll9/' CCCLorr, 1. , ,i .L v,,it,loLik,ki 11"Ce''arY 11'1;"e 1, it'oPr W ''Ill: 1.3.: N; s lip ti 1141 i V 'll.°i 14 (113. e" I tin() 'ill - P.' " 1 8 ), 11 ` ,, 1418.1 MA by iilllpryl4l"' ~' 541 ' . 4 tt.Oli: tlgß:i t.,:. ,iBIB9 A-,i of lea. ; s.. ir . I l'''''" I `", s , '`i lc' ''' C vii, v to i.-Bp' tipeiv i ,1 .i , ' , , , i w '"" , + . 'I, ..i. •''''. yei ,i !Irk:het 't.o 1 110'40 %4 'OO \I 4:l'C', '' • it' had enikdvotirt.d it. Lts.. It It, 1104 ~tic;, , l'' ''' l'°"i'l U:trit,'., h. ~a;•,it,. ii.q.wies tit i.,s ~,'' .., alai lie totiti,t, 1104 askilig ti,,- i-k:';'' ''' '" 0 1 ihs QUI) prr,sh, , it it these tt Lte 1 , 0 1 , f3 , ' ir ''' &i 49 rW.1114 lilt,, 1,1 4 't. Now it wa• (inv.:J.:a 111 . f. t i le ."'"gYlortil c,i.ild lief ;hake t 940 ivai^e4 1" ,lii li ' ''43 . tPl''' : I , " " hl. 14 " i ic , the %%roc lc to r tireo or tour t QV Of, Ill.', "I"' r-spo.istile 10.0 ill the Va 1 1 ,11.. the. 111 il,t.'e bill, r - 1 . , abe,i i.e0)";,1: vile itieomel"-- ed ee of tio All,. hi. ti %%ionic! be it It, *lid t" 4- ' i''' tin PaYlog liar hitt- wind; 4..utatti no.tetiet. '.l 11,-, 111"" Ge.rikairn th.tt hone , it a poiht t , l..it•ii nu ( All' I'') ihad <l.4erit,i 1 1 1 1 )3til., .8:1,1 11,. Olt " IL II ' e ' ti"U"''hi 'I I! hat ! ‘it;,l "' .I ,y vxpl.,i o , ii , 1.81,011. Li -,,.a) s.JIrU, that tne 01/181t."wilet1„ it :111 (A' SI . ,i, ar,,se tr.h, , alt pik e ot 13od Ltini,i-,t,il) 6)E,11, A 14;1,4.0.: (lid Pre' ‘' .ll iti 111aliy parts of Ireltiod for tt,e, landlord, to , It 1" ittlite hitt' laittl, and it 1:„'llerallY iiiii , petieti that ger sun", 'w ho lit Irdand werer ( ttlett • bit„ .lit teuattli, thhok die laud, and ii.;. ' ' 11l 'et it ~, t i at a profit, and ", ' i ce arose tftv-rilpri w hip. kle Lad 'de , ti untied 1 0 ~(10p,a ditie.reut 1 . 1 al w,(h. , j os 0 , „I,erry, anti 'o let n't la th! to the ut.i ut,tor, alit! he A ai kohl tie w° .lid ruin his propel!), t,y it ; but . he koew th.t it tie ("ant "'" awl ithout pi.yllig tltk:' rent, he coil'' not tint itway, With Eifel:int., 3: ft tit..retore r •be re inch to persist in In pl an. , a I: o,:ti IA e'''''),.; Inch of his land to the pet tiros r,:sitititt: rii'm it',::::,-,.. ,I.lttt. toosequence Was that' r,,, 1,,,t, tii,v et I, '"' a . O1,1)J . (11' of rent. Tifere t „, t4B sor„,th t , ..., t , "ftfar lii ' i oe (4ition of the pt,o., le of II etiibtri 111 c) ,'"ee,,',.,st! 6riloched lu Hi,. holt ~o wioLo they lirtd, 1 mi‘ ,:-/ ~,,,':.1:1 pay 111,1 e than the v . ttitte ..f rbe bilk]; .r:.ll`)`-i Li,`,.t.';,(Plit it. A t eave! or a silLetholrLer ‘A oold i'tt) jj Ilfsn u i 4 . 144'1 thil ot L!.e • I , rofit'S ut Isis trade s .4,14 0 the - e ' l 'e it ;anti tet,..w lieu the land Was to it's, the ); %t°l-11 . ( . i not oiler for tt. lie fiat offered- twill' 1,„ a ,; )(1 1 but ,they wool liot liilci:it ; they N'y ( Ali° sh, I . '„ ‘ I, ' l t thtr itopt..o or g . .:ttini;it. cheaper 'tram, Flee 41diuro. mud ,oti.l.w. . • • biglicr ,arsis pay a 111111.11 r'tec t o , ; - i . 1 4t 111).1kt (144.7 14:134(1) 1„I .84-41) nut tittle.* e 'lle 1,1.184:3 111 , ' . '1 W.l i.. 4.tistresseu tbese pvt , po , -) - , 1 0)4 thre e . ' out or tour o rt rbf)B.s 114 a prom of die 1 fho i ink/ 18ftt% tett tjwiti .at,il itw I,,totlioo.t, gr ,, at ' 0 , Le :et:6,lA kite, ,lilt to( y 'Paid a 14c eo ki t t ; 4l. Let the c utdir , ttis tot ltehatid set their lii t „ r „101"” tillildie 11 1c11, 10 thelli go u ) '"" - "WI , trik at ,t 1 ark! let th eir cs, ftilu eXii1111118: 111 , 11 B.BWh pliperlY, t:ct, ' .~ ,Itfl 118 tir, a u d , . b . ut tit; e, II)U311,1 8,, 1 J 1 fliefe (4,181)1411,4 8.1 "- li l. 11, it ' : C e ltic, Th vlt" Wl l lß if IlUtioti ill :hi*. Cub! , - , v t. 11W l i tu Ple of 11('1411tt w-re ltiori;ulJir'L`''- ft 1.1 h t th ' it i to ••tis h 4, - "r• iiru p op e ()I Elligiand; 4CII- , ' *141 6 t ~,,1 4 the "hc. 1 . 1 , e1e V.A.lit 111311 y Llilll6't tithes . 1 1 1 ; '," 11'11-, iii F. gland tr , Inch did not pay hth tot 11;1} lii mail plicts illele w, re 1.,), 4141 44 41,,o t ii tY i 11f 0118e14; 110 Ilitio4 fo r potatrass . ; iII tor I j ' i l'l'Liv,§l)tpence or ii bilillitlikittl acre Will) L -111111e(1 1ifi 1:1i...1'1,146' hilt,' (la ruttat II) the question -c klirtif t e „,l --, " 4 te, the iii,oser It, wool,: of courSc ditt I,uievw Unit oo plait ought to be adopted lira. tle'gy ii,,treuttdifY lure the righ 6 b tit of ilre that t :" , (It 111 e• Lay Imi ropii nor, and baring A it,(411, ii'l'td i i ri"ciple in rit.rw, lie wislkid b I Ith L tait to i rim I ' ' i .11' ql u et t l - " e r tile [Millie di 11):' p l an s M lit. , LiI01)1.(1."'(3.1. . ISY I.llr p13;18; ,p,oßpßs.ed 1) Y " 11,11,a wkii:utir.l4 Friend (Mr. Grattan), Cotranis:' t i 'l 111" l itli es it; ti , a l ) Putot , d 84 ifiCeit Ai: 1.-e v,,,tie 4 4:1? st,e•-• "" ) W lin V weal: :these Corninissiont.4s tha t i It cirpotte (hy wel,f ill/ 0 a I , arin and ri,utid 14 IN piingel:gYinall. our or kirldituiv i , soil Ibuobroitr took 0111 •• ''ollef'4, tuwead at the tithe of Il.ix, ady thitY,(4l.o shilling lot tiveacreh would any ti,an • tlify lily w a ft the teal v ► aloe of :be tithe i Cottki altit t Yal 014 4:,tvre 6 J. ail acre W 36 taken hi lieu 0 1 tit lie Alhii,), .745, tilt:real value ef the tithe of !he hind, gilr,r ttiLe Cbirriniassoness ought lio to .V ' l B- 1 c it ? ,4, , ,1..p. 11 ,,,, , -d r ead the lotto A iris extratt front ~ 11 140 6 4 1. , 4:.- I ' ,' 1 )18 . u . l Lee", reSi'etting!l4, instructions that . ' f ill s . i t , , ,' . ,1. 1 to I tit Se C01111thi4i91)01$ :'!"... if til t i ll . . ointnissioners will discern 'Where the Ifilter,.;=,t,tased horn the i t fit fly of the- l'hlte akeeptiot,_".3l,ll the titiViiiitii6e of , the co unty, or the . eci of il ;tati'l,e condod of the Clagyniatt. Possess ,,t4fiti, y o l t wt , e (1 20 of the ,cri-it Oral causes tat. in-, 111 tlf f 1r Commissioners , tt.ill disallow all such *lit "Iltiat' t , din', ' Q ii ot a Illu dUs , .or ti t hing-table, tor 4,1 t 'fent a tt. .1. rry„t,k , it es which are to be sutty-et 10 tithe. t'• e 6,0 , in t . • • vitrigNierm "e titn,tig-table, e4,timate each rate Cr l'" at sr 11 '"usoY , ione or .teat] -corn; to be 1.4 tb .alt!d year+, trod at tire des ire of the own , p c 1 ,, , e tith e. . ' ,it ti , 'l . il r eoniiyki • tri, . &Stoners will mentally think it ad ' tiger' 11l all Wan tt • . ti _ k p utitoe it.,y form, to exempt the-cot aittt. tittl e to cigrittlett hoot tithe; the pr, pricier of th,:.tlA'strnerir e Fch,"Perhated by a presettlinetit or ,:. ri is t , e qnhi to the suit) at. Uth.ch the gar ,i . ated • r, r 0111 sin „„ t th ey will its,, relieve ' the ;Nu isltioher kid, fht"i' diles, and 1- ' ' w tete :mat have b . (al ttsllallY tir 8 ' e Y Will lir( l .Yinan i ll ,1 »usly think. II) cornpuntate the 1,,,u,01ie izu!r above.,,,,nti.ut,i. ihav 4 444,4 t=„in'llis,ioneri may tern; ft 'mottos, as I "utnt or they tnay go sftp-lurthei, acid • - • • ' trttbruit a ptiii, \ Atjr Vi tt 0f..,411Tch frUrirtn's sitsli be appointel annually by t4e,Parson and Parish, to sur vey and a - omi" return,of the number of acres, un ity iillq ; e. ,The acres to be rated according to the t ith tog- table;4 and the gross itun'ili 6e`le'vkd in the man iser .ot other county 'charges." • - • - . ' ' The - Objett Of Mr, Grattan's plan - was to relieve the lower orders of the, people who paid the tithes ; and how Was this dotie it why, by eying a tax upon upini the county at large to Make tip the di tference, , and making ihnse.v:ito lived otit of the parish, and had nothing to, do with. it, pay for those who lived itt it. • Mr. Pole.then procee.ted so point out the de feels of this plan, and contendel, that so far from relieving-the people, it would place them in . a worse satiation than they were at present. Whenever any deLluttiim wa l e made in .the tithe, the landlord would of course taise . the Brice of his land in proportion. He had entkayeitif to ascertain wlit:ier land that wai . tithe7free,,,, paid, snore titan land that was not ! tithe-Ree i aildwing for the difference of the tithes, .. anti hi.founi:l that :it invariably dd. The Clergyman often did not rective•more than 1 -twetiti tli or .1 7 inirtieth, instead of i • tenth ;• but when land was tittle flee, the increased rent was in ptoportion to i -t nth o! the real value of the land. He Asked an fionsii.atile Friend' of his' this mooting, - a part of whose, estatl was tit he-tree, what, ditlen:ned he found in letting his i iod, aud Ire told hitu.that he . could Ji7t the 1;11)(1 that was tithe.dree tin Ins. an ad - idle:thaw tha' which was nOt.•: ' He then asked turn what was t.e amount o! ' , the Mn', aid lie said ; , turtltyn v:dice an acro, . Sp n 0 ,ii io, this:case, if the ILA, wcre r k .ei- away, ;he occupier of Ow. land ~ oind ritee tile - fourteen pence an acre, ,nitf would t.int: to pay an increased rem of t os. If therefore the liish peasmit leally.understood tits situation - and ;hi , true interest ; he would trot eomplaiii ot opprea .ir"on upon ttie - sobjeta eltilli-7. Another plan winch had been in agitation, was 10 etablish'a - meduson the nature of a coin tent. Curnini,sionets were tO be appointed masceitain the value of the tit ,:s, and. every acre was to pay so (men, but unit--s iii suni so paid'waseonstantly changed with tile range in the value of property, it would int ultim dely nun nus to the Cletgyin,m. But there was aliw iiei ob 7 jeaion to this plan, for, in last, it would make the poorest . person ply the most triOn4. I:ne man who , e land was the least productive,. would pay just as tuuLh as the, mall v hose laud was the, most pro Au6,live, which certainly was not' I,nr. Anal her 'phri proposed was,. that of,giving tlie' . Clergyiniin, udit!) licti of- the tithes, and ibis plan; 'upon the '. first view of It, seemed liable Ao,the fewest objet, . awns; hut upon examni.diint, he foun4 it like the : others ti.) be' linpra6ititble. iti'the' tii-st* place, it would be throwit,g - an , immense•quatitity ut land into mortmain, ,w nice • was highly oniecnotiable ; 'bill the.sreat objection was, th-t it woold,ope . ra!e . must ulustly to the e'er...o. He bad toun r upon . • ioquiry that the Lty 191ropriators,' who Sold their brats tili,rl other pins of their 6'o ateli, !Willa not - get 1 rriiire, than 13 . '‘e'rrs' purchase tar them, white the I , l'ice pat ' for land w as above . 20 .e,m'in,fthale r -- 11c.. * Clew , would therefore,` by Ili:l . :Cc:Mk ulati ,n, hew,- it this- pi W. were .adopte4.dde4-;third of their p'o , , '-ty, becz.use tiny wottla. be ohliged.to.sell their' . 1 0 1 ) ,s ‘,l 13 years' in:rclia,e, and to buy land At e 0 .y...41.' ptlicli -.. All ci- i laiis which were proposod 'looked pretty and pi ,usi.:ic at ;first, but upon a elope (CM:6114000 1 ;1 Were e'n iii , r tonna to' be iMpracti cai,le, or to,ite." attended, wirer lunch greater Inco,'Ve n - • ieces Ilan wbich.the ) were intended io.rei , ii.ovei Its tke enuineratitm wine!' he had made of, the exemotionS how litilLtt, he had nearly forgo,. one which tslitwert very 6tiongiy Ike moderation of ' .the Ciergy in , Ireland:. The tithe of agistineol was rernov..d by a 11 , :solution of time Hooke ol Comiumts . to 1735, and that Restilution was 'tomtit i:, to an Act ~ i E,rliament at the ti'.e or the Union. Ile - 1 t,) oid in his researches rote'' this . subji.&, a petition in ire yea; 1695, from the PF00111:171 qt Uhitur, to l'atitarwot, praying to - be relieved in , tn What ; was .riled Cow-motiey, Which Was a sine l sum' paid iti 1 lieu ut the tithe on-calves._ The' Clergy 'of 'that k Province., prasenied an ali s wer to th e petition, am! It heir right appeared so dear, that P.ltliAin'ent decided : ;the question in then fat, our. - .Nei' ..t' if 'tele Clergy 1 ... ere rigovuul, they certaitily, wr'ild• - h.ive inford ,ll it he cl inn alter this decision its their favour ;.but he Ilia& inqinred, and he found that no 11001 tithe was . .., , .., ~.. , ,inow levied; and the very name of it forgot ten.,Was: ;de metitioned this earcoa:sranee to shew• the li -1),,n ali 1 ~ of the. Church. of Inland, and 'to prove t hat . ite charges as'PliW the Clotgy to , bei n g rigorous ( in tire enforcement of their tights %Pere Ott 7 : !founded. W Wished also to' sliew to thepeople' it !Irk, country; that.. in Ireland the latAiblders • , .• ere not so oppressed by tithes as' it had b.:en iepresented. But the inautter ot collecling tithes in different parts of - rit , lind was sii: various, Mitt their value fluctuated so modi, Jnat• • it?•wohld be 1• 1111 - rossible to apply any taie general regulatiori to them,' without cuing the greatest possible i, justice in innumerable gases. Any attempt to al .ply one general plan t hroughout. Irelaod . would,, instead of affording relief, be an eedless source of . conlosion: and Misery,' and the •ceuotry'Would be thrown into a state of agitatinn whiter those who did not ltOow - it could haVe no . iLlea of. Even in this country,. where the' silbjed' of tithes Was by no means of so perplexed ' and einbarraised a nature'aS it was in Ireland, no alteraticn 'had 'been nude re. spett ors them, except in , the case (Knew inelosores. : If then in flighted, .where it was atiended 'with so few ditheaies, . Wiled been foand. hilpraelicable to make any alteration in the subjeet of tithes, it surely was not extraordinary that in Ireland no plan had yet .been devised that way practicable. It it were yossible io'eStabliSh .a t•sident '.Clergy in Ireland, those who would attend to their flocks, who would' - go'among diem, who would attend to their wishes and their wants, there would soon be an end tii'the co. opt :tots •ah,o.ii tithes. The govertitnent of If:l --land had been incessant in, its endeavours to pro iniite so desirable an objett,..and he flattered htnisell t h.: time was aPproachifig When it would he realised ." ii4liget 8,,p,11,n-onet • opposite to hire f had, to dia;. .. • cussing this subject last year, recontmeeded an acre able rate; and had • menti(fned' a' lalge parish, in Inch an agreement had - been' tie • - bet %keen - life Cl lumen and his parishionets. ..Undoubtedly, :woere the clergyman arid his pari,hior...ers could agree,. much might be doutil alt tifakio wits Cons tending for,wa§;,t hat it cput4 trot be done bYja - wi- that it wk►7iuld be , impossible! to apply opageeeral role all over Ireland, withent in doing, innumerable ca , ea, the 'grosSest itijostitte 1 w the'li„of all the consideration Which he had been able to give the. questlou- was i (and he' felt hituSelf- bound to state it fairly anddistio6tly), that there wa4, no te- Mtdy for the., ev.rl ; but at the same he .was fully convinced that the, evil was by, np means so great, as it was represented. With refipt:o, rO What the' no nourable, Gentleman had said about the population of Ireland, and the number of Dissenters, it appear ed to hho, for the reason he liid given at the lte.• . ginning of his, speech respeaing, the origin of tithes, that it had nothing to do with this question. They formed a part of the conditiOn of the original gmlit of the land, and must remain attached to if with .on t reffitence to the r'eligion . of tb . pOsses*or. He therefore repeated,' that he at present saw no remedy for the grievance that was complained of, and the more be looked, into the question, the more he. Was ;convinced-that nothing - would remoy n e - any 'dissatiSfaelionthat might be felt upon the subject of ' tithes, and open the eyes of thepeople-to+heir real situation; as the establishment of a residelit',Clergy. Such. a Measure would be a real bette6t to t,he CO-W --ir y—it would improve the Morals of the people, it would 'pot an end to all the clamour about tithes, 'and do a great deal more to tranquilise Ireland,-t Catholic Emancipation, about which so •ITILICh,. lard ;been He felt' tte triost sincere phasitre'in tas..uriog the House, that, by tt;e exertions Of the -Irish Governmetit, great progress had beet made -towards the attainment of so desinble an ohjeet,, Out of the' funds of the Boaki ut Fir,t'Pruiti, and those granted by the liberality of Patliandent, there had been appropriated, m Rhin the last three .years; 110:79,21. for building - 145 churches; 15,794 for the prirchas'2 of 46 glebes; and 133,1021. for, build ;tog 173 h‘eases.; inakiog, altogether, a suni ;01 . 2,5 g iisi3l. whiCh had been appr-priated for these purpoles; and there was evely_reason to hope that„ these m..aseres would be a tended with the most beneficial eti,a,, The WI). Gentfeiminwho' fad' briroglit' 016, sobjeet before the House had tliarstated any' 'specific: plan of inti own—tor hiS , part, :he should alWi'ys be ready to discuss calmness and patience, any pine that was brought I - Pt - ward... He had neter, yet seen any plan that Hp.: pealed 'to film to becalculate;l tu,attain the object !in view, .and he did nut think he should 46i in a fair and manly manner if he did:thirtioW state his 'sincere opititon t h at no ettectual.remedy 'could be tipplie He kePt the pledge ; lie had given 'to :the Ilouse last year; he had, looked rn into the snttjria with the uttnost•,trtligen e, and'he liadnOw stated t-e iesuit of the be s t hiv e sti g a t i t i n that he could give' tit • suhj 0. Ile begge , ,i leave to ,say a few t4ordti ; bcfore he s r t tho.vrr'teEion tfe subjeCt of the Ulster, bailees s hich bad preettiled in Ireland, and Which, solie persons, were supposed to proceed frotri the system of tribes, and he himself did at one tione believe that the disamtenis arose-in, a great degree' ouai'llt Not.irce The House must tecol. Let, 1 has in the None of lat ye a r there weredis 7 ' tnihAte es in the.counties Of Tipperary, Kilkenny., sad 1 1 i.tterrord, which at one time were carried to sncli an extent, ' that the Governinelit was pr e , s ,,, t d atop; very strong measures, but, n had sent down a .5p , 4F131: Commission - ,• i and the reStift' Wia, That the 'counties wore :perfotly .trattquilised, .tho4gh it' . had been found,.,,necpssmy to ,saeriti 4 -0 to, the law ' Many of the' • trirsgOided indiVidoals vit) • who had violated it. Anti Itere'llebeggeiVto stale 'a! fao, which,. if the Right Hen. Baroit:t •opposite to him was glad to hear that the conduct o 1 the Irish Government was disapproved of, would give' hi;n: pleasure, and that was, that at the period he alluded . to; the' trisJi-Giiverninnt wii'fieVerely cenSured 'tor 'having proposed thetepeal of the .Insurrection Ad-; they wt re exposed to cprses,„leud anti . deep for it. ' did 'Jot 1,1 tin those who, vOlint then lives and, property were dins at stril?e, cehishred . -overanient ,for that measure; , but he'stilf ; thooOt that'•Ghverh- 1 'mem 116 - tea properly' and-wisely in getting rid of that Aet, if they thought they could do it eoriSiszently ' with the Kttfetty. or the public. To rei;ert, bow }ever, to the Special Co:ninis,ion, it was a eircutn - Stance Worthy of uoti.•e, that in ail these there was but onethat had any reference , tit the subject' tithes. Some persons went armed- to collect, 'tithes; they were attacked, whether on account, of ihearmi or the tither, he'did not knoW, and a lite was lost ; halt this was' the only Case which Occurred during the whole of the :Special Cianmission, in %Inch it ,appeared that the subject of tithes was at ad „concerned. I-I,e would beg permission. of the. House to read it few passages frost the Speech of . the serlicitor-9cneral on. that occasionst man .as! well acquainted with ,the state of Ireland .as any man in it. Dflr. Pule then read the following pas sages front the Spe c ,elt of theSolicilor.Geomil " What is t he first' avoW"ert object of t hese -. savage !associations, to entotee the eointuands' of which you are nightly plundeied of yo'ar artioS ? It is the re , 'gulations of landed property and its produce----it i s :the vain and; idle attempt toiti'sca‘ maximum for tent, and to prescribe the price (ll' labour---it is theArantic project to pevem the tonsfet of 'property, 'and to j; frustrate the exertions of indtistry. • ‘,l Land, say they, shall never rise, and. property gl4lll never change its posses3or. . are these mandates equally directed, to the rich and to "the poor. To the G , :titleman 01 landed property' they proclaim that :the land; Which His ancestor had doilised SO or (.10 years beibre, most oot 'rise upon the eXpiralion of Illgy or iriuS'e only rise accOrdieg to their arbitrary standard. Though the price of every al ticle about, him has increased four-fold, hy a floc. inatioir in value, which he cannoreentrout, yet the value-of his land - must `reMain stationalp—and this is not he former tenant 'were a beggar' or a knave, he [rink be confintied,'no liont-st or htivieVer willing to -sUcceed him , and to benefit the property by his capital or labour, is allowed upon pain of 'death, to be a competitor with the 0:d proprietor. The consilfittence is, thalthe land 'mist remain 'onset as, in several instances it is, to the ruin of.'all coriceinedi or the land.. lordmost submit to the termS.tlins'arbitrarily'dictat - ed to- him. " This intii6tion is not confined to the estated , gentlemen, but visits the laborious poor. lite la , bunter rnust not take, and the master must not pay w;ike3 b .ut ,tl;iii4 NiliCh • the retrrners . scribe :—tray, tile hitinurer-. inust to t i k p !.; the pail olthts i.ystcai, foment nation d; ' provincial; and ' aienosr-iinrocliTrit artinslzA Ittl'poor. .11` is g- tinCri Innate I.ibOir: ers tiOilie ths . .a;pt cotiorir!, o iri which tic! harvest is lite, hale a forbiddon ti tt pain Or theiri6ft dieo:l!id labew.herqitl the eatfer imd stances their intrusiOti iiir by ,r -baroug tormreti ;oh: I:,lrt of their ' sistern has been to ' c.eiioni.c , ! .18 phui.c quests all persons of Jrto r who in any de4ra ` ,. lioweyerlitonn!e,. lion . of justice, div;l or er:inin :I„iii,; not on; process•servee and the totol c valumor is pt - OSi.'rii‘Z:.i, but every wittics4 who conies to; ot tr-o liws is stignintised . iiyi ti.e odious apii. ihttion ‘ii I - former, and i!evoted io venge ,tics c oo l to Such wss rclilly di Cittls . Ql, C thOSC COLII:i : 11l twi had nothii:g to-do tite business, and he ii•lt L, , ,r(Lat , veasure in hmving 1 - ; , s` opßort 1.1 ity 11;4 there on Limn reddtlit. in the cotodry * wlto.gavc:runrc. active, ,tip.; H feil'.lll3l asiiStaiii:e to Government (11 Oc'ed.;i:;;) ti an the' tiruLir niihop of ~u 1 11()W her . .1)ott the. Hothe ; tic ills Hon.' Friendiwoidd LCit persis'y' in his thotP, ll , but . that he would Intlf hiS' ; it any plan 'ocpurreii to iits`ricnv'Et it tiJ, tv.t. Hoped he woutd triethddiZe 1: lilt° Hl Njy. 1, -) 01e) w90„141 y,ve,it evciy 10. cnJ intention, deClitieti.he Sliotila- tie ii,tl)strit ril 111 the country it his Hon. Friend r conl , l dcvise any plan . to which he alionld be alife to gke htS'aSL.ient. Mr. FltEtsicli observed, that every body who knew any 'th'ing of Ireland, Fowl, litiuw that : coustde!r:wle evtlr gre,s out Or the .. preSerit Syite , i) tit,!t country. He propo s ed , tra i t_ evoyy' Pa t .4,, tl have art . ail'eable assci•;tnent Ott a.iair avet ;:it; • ot . t.,ur or five.years .of the'prodti,ce of Ilk At any rate he contended, 'ha: srlmeth , til;'4o . glii, to be d 0,.,,, , and that RuLattient otight not to ,tkitain.troin tat:: this impOrtaarsubjeditnto consideration, indiVicf6l, were of opinion `prs cable. not that the on siitijebt of tithas in' Ireland \ver, let!, but that thp . ;low., trierny:v,..9 I;.y.tit cd 'After detailing th- 'lcconvviliences of the presont sysiem, he ayo*pd his vcr4uris? . .citi that a tfind,.: might whicliat once .the right% of 11“.: Liergv might he maintained,. and the gridt'ailce4 ~f :the pirople redreisr...d: lie wag m,i!Log ,to admit, that, the evils,oc,7..isioiied by titAit!s tv er • not the great, sr under which Irel.tnd I.9l,otited although they ten::;:.d 6ekaccr . bate vi which, in his opinion, were aieV:ll - able to a sopetabun t.rit population.. ` • Mr. TiGflE'c6bsderict the p'resvot motle of le:A 'nig tit iles.as oi.ipressjvc, lush-ad of the poor nig telieved, the great.landlOrd wai" the .persou w. o cx , :Hencedrclict. • DVIGZtiA.N COlgended d ial Ole Firmer tpttter of f In Cii:iwtitit'occf o .1 lie Clerganiviigpt vt.o. little 0(4 Johti Ne . wpuct, ti Ir. W. ,Sinit 11 , Ir. C. Ad.), tis, end 114:tthe , motion, Tot: wts ip ui 1.;',; tot' calling sir. B mkes au enetity to Ir. ' IK E • .:iit„ ; Panlol:liinde reply :Itid Oleo t'fott , e rot: ilte Apidat it 4ANK. VOKENS. ♦ Leave Wag &Mt to Orin; iti a BM to prevent th,o the coonterfcttiog ot,fhttik Toke,),, of tile of -ss. 6d. 3s. ailti .Is. Mr. BANKE I :plied when these smaller tokens Wyrqo be *tteil. tie E.:u . ANcat,.t.oa or the EXCHEQUER replied,. it' abon: a tortoicriir or three'' weeks. I'b Bill w 4.4 Atter ard4 nrOnght in, rC.Id (inn tinie, - and ortkrcd io be. read a second Lime 'to-mar- row. tatave was given to Lord PALMHRSTON to being in a Bill to allow Oiliein . s in the Army 'to roCire iiii hall-pay, or oilier allow:int:4's, limier certain rcstt ice Lions. Ilse Bill was brought in, and read a time. CHELSEA PENSIONE,RS. Lord PALMERiTON MOVai fur leavelo bring in 13111 th allow . ChelSea Pensioners to corn.nute their, pensions, , in certain cases, whea residing out of the kingdom, for a $1:4111 ot,money. Leave was given. DontNs were enterrained when the .13111. !brought in, as to its principle. It bt•ingOjeti,a ny. Mr, Whitbread,, Sir J. Newport, Mr. Bankers, ;that it lA/wild go to desitorwhat was lot•:ticitt,l the Legislature as a per m,anein provisro.l for lIK 4 Igallaitt defenders of their country. They xvish.. t ter tune to consider the subject. Lord PAL'lsettsroisr observed, that it was Intended merely:to allow those persons, not natives - of hand, and who might wish to pass the retnaindrA; 'their .Jays in the posnnia'a their families, an .oppor- . , tUttity of . so doing. - .under the present regolaiino respecting the pay of pensions, !het could nuts it re. sident abroad,frecenre their pensions. He, ilOiverur, did not wish to . preis it this SesSion. The other Orders .of the. Day wet . ..! disposed of, and at Half-pait One o'Clock t is morning. House adjourned.' - . Froin the !ANDO GAZEiTE, June !i, ti{ I x IVar-Otliee, June it, tell. His Royal' Highness the Pince a - gent: I 11 , 4vn pleased, in the name and on behalf Ot his Sl,jesi;. to .oppoitit his Screne Hglines.; the .. Prince 01 Orange to be Lieutenant CO:onel in t army. I _ _ 19or-Offire, ii, att. tht Re.iment of. Dragoon Guard F I trooke, Geo , r , , r be Cornet, by purchase, vice Fox, wit.) rettms, kohert Toovey Hawley, front the 4th 13rictolis, t Comer, tlithout purchase, vice titactiinson, zai iteginient of Dragoon MAIO s. Kttly to be Assistant-Surgeon, vice Lints.) proototo.l the 72t1 Foot. 3tl3itto, Cothet fames William Croft to be Lit:met - 1 ti,t, by purchase, vice her, apporrnett tal thc, Bth 1.16 ht Dr.t. , goons : 7th Itegtinenr of Light Dragoons-, 'Acute:l;lot lathes John flaser,' trum this bth - Nest India' Itegiutent, to be Lito- - . , • .f. . • • ~,'