The Sun. — London, England, 1804-04-17 00:00:00

' is table ; sn'tliat fhns6 whom he entaataincd were minced to drink too- much, by their perceivin g • hat the •-quiantity of liquor never decreased. U less the deficiency was' to be supplied by farcigti Regular .Troops, he t h oug h t I reland would be left i cr n a defenceless st ate . .H e saw no prospeCt of that re ciprocity which had been so often alluded to.- Such Measures made it more and more impossible to pro cure:that species of force which was wanted: M. nisters . first tried their hand at one mode, and frn‘j_ kg that not to succeed altogether to the expeCta i•iori of ,the Country, they then try another, and finding that as bad, they then came to the Mi. li;ia system again. In short, they seemed, not withstanding their own inclination s , to be follow ing means to procure any thing hut a regular army. He hail read of a Lady who said he gallant, that he was the only man she ever knew who seemed dr tertr.incd nor to be a Gentleman. He might say'of the present Ministers, that they appeared to him to be the only Mi n i sters he ever had heard of, who we're determined never to have an army. Mr. Secretary YORKE said, that so far from his Majesty's Ministers seeming to be determined nut to hav e a regu l ar Army, as the Right Hon. Gentle- Irian (Mr. WratrixAm) had expressed himself in the conclusio n of his Speech, he should only mention, what had been often' taken notice of lately in that Housea that the Artily was greater at this moment than it ever was at an equal period in any former War. In point of fag}, the regular Artily was never a po. pular measure in, this hat.l_bCountry.The plan whi c h ee, always adopted was to reduce it at the end of eVety War:' The Fiiice proposed to be raised by this Bill, was acknowledged by those who had ex perience of Ireland,: to - be the best that could be adopted in the present situation of the Country, and +would least of all interfere with the regular Army • Ireland had, as yet, cnntributed less •to the augmen tation of the • Artny than its proportion, when com pared with Great Britain,• 01 20,0litia, i 8,000 only were raised in. that Co oo untry a f t this moment : of . ro,ooo men for the Army of Reserve, only 7oco had been prOcured. Ireland bad there fore a great number of men yet to furriish. There avert a - great many men of ld property who wou cme forth and ende a V our 'to 'augment . the Militia at o the bounty. proposed, who 'w 9twould n ot enter i nto any her-166d ° F service.. He was c onv i nce d, that by the infl uence of soda leadin g G entlemen in Ireland, the• Force proposed by without a t a ll i nterfering the Bill c ou ld b e soon ra i se d with the recruiting of our regaltir A rmy; frir..FOX said, he h , .. • • had formerly given his opinion Of the general Plan' ' of Defence Which had been adopt ed, and he had listened wi t h attent i on to all that had `been said by others upein the subjett. If to,ooo men were aCrually Proposed to be raised fora limited ser vice, Ire Weli:d ask, why should it be for the utmost posaible limited service ? We were placing ourselves jr in a very whimsi ca l s i tuat i on. Of 20,000 Mi l i tia in elnd, we w - - - this Country ere to bring to,ooo to , 'while, as to the other ro,ooo, we were making no fitoviaion or engagement at aili He wanted to know :on what ; ' P r .nciple h proposed to enter ,i6l O a similar was not also moa t en gagement with the new levies ? It had been answered that they could not be raised so che ap ly a _ The ' tiler) why not rai.e them as Fencibles ? . "node of .• • . '.• ' raising this proposed augmentation was by WhanlJking an addition "of 3o men to each Company.— t was tei become o f t h e R eg i ments which might chanee'to be. in ibi s C ountry ?" Were their Companies of seventy men to lie increased: to one hundred ? 'and were the thirty additional men to be left i n Ireland, or to j o i n the others in England ? The 'must, undoubtedly, b e ra i sed on some specifi c agree y nieni, in order to procure their voluntary acqui escenee. While ic'was said that Fencibles could not be procured to come to this Country at a bounty of four guineas, how were we to get the Militia to ex tend their services at that rate ? Notwithstanding all the bciast of Voluntary Services, Ministers seem. ed afraid to broach the subjed to the new levies, and ap peare d i nclined to trust, that when men had been induced to enlist into a Regiment which had extended its service oat e ," they also w ou ld not refuse an eqxtension, The foundation of the Plan seem ed to he the pioposed suspension of the Army of Re_ serve M.- • . , and while Ministers thus took one syS sem out Orille market , so as not to interfere with the "Itegular Ar ' . rra . n• by a mile Y, they immediately add to,ooo will interfere, more or less, with' din very cl . service, by preventing its rapid in. crease, The Cl-I:INCELLOR.oftI:, .. -s si:.:HEOE,'ER ob served, that the Privates would most -pc-robahly b't. . join . . disposedlo their co:Tirades and then the force would SO far be augmented. it had he 1 '` ' been asked, w ~y Fencihles were not raiser', inset of Militi a ; but it ghould be recolleaed that during the last war, the Feticibles were not raised fur general service -to all p . ltt s of the Kingdom. The mode of raising the Mi ltiria.had a peculiar facility growing €,.(i t o f t h e na vo.rc,tsinfl!ience possessed by Gentlemen i n t h e i r own thatl inity,• which vv!s far greater than any other mode 11. could b ' adopted, and it had been particular / found so in Ireland. There was likewise a very considerable. difti:.suity cible Corps, wl ' .. in o - ocurin , Officers for Fen. 5 II(.11 Was ,)••• I I ; no means the case with the Militia. The objed o f thi s Bill was to provide a. Militia equal to that provided during the la s t war: it created a farce of 10,000 men, to be raised with far greater dispatch, an d to h e disci in a much qu i c k er wa p T than any other d escr i pt i on o f force hat an i y ncreas e of disposi,bie force was urgent no one could deny ; Lot it was a l so urgent to consid er the facility of its aplication. The Hun. G:mtl ernen had stated, that this p measure would in terfere with the recruiting of the Regulars; so it might he t h oug h t upon general reasoning, but those .he who were most conversant with Ireland, were of opinion, that it would operate 'Von diTerent dispositions and classes from those 4 0 n who m t h e R ecruiting System operated, and b , Y a comparison of the Levies of different years, • It would appear that nu material variation was l ikely to take place. At the end of the last wa i t would be found, that o f the 25,003 Militia then di sbanded anded, very f ew entered into the army. The • Pr mption, therefore, was, that it was a different • ° ei lss of th e p eople on whom this measure would Periite, from those who eilli3ted in the Regulars in • 1 9e firbt instance. It had been argued as it we had ' " di s posa hie force ; but the faa was, that we had t 'll.6tnt a disposable force of 70,000 men, rank and file. Lef it not therefore,'he supposed, or to that we w e t e t‘ , itimut a disposable toro. Mr. lio:!xolaint-d-. 111 r. C.l ..VA :NG wish e d to kc- ow f rom the Right Hcn. Gentlenian:(Mr. ADD I NGTON) It LC tation was to extend Latinist regiments this Country as well o.: to.those in Ireland ? if lie,undcr-, stood the Right Hon. Gentleman,: the-augmentation was to exter‘d to the regiments volunteering to tlii' Country as well as to those in Ireland. In this case it most be in the power of the new levies to refuse, as the tents on which they are to be „raised will. certainly admit of a refusal. in the nient, therefore, of their refusing to come to this Country to join regiments with which they are totally unacqtraint . ed, he would ask, what use would be made of them, detached as they. would be in thirties, without be longing to any particular regiment ? That they will volunteer, is a mere assumption for which there is no evidence. On the contrary, he would ask, what inducement they could have to volunteer to regiments already gone, and to every individual in which they might be total strangers ? He wished to know if Ministers meant to cure a greater breach of faith by a less ? Had this mode of recruiting been adopted at first, had it been resorted to a year ago; there would have been less objedion to it. But His Majesty's Ministers tell us' that though the Irish Militia Transfer Bill, gives a power of accepting. their Offers, yet that power, perhaps, may not be used. In like manner, the House may pass an Ad, to increase the Militia of Ireland, but -it will not necessarily follow that such an increase should take, place, or that such an increase hai been intended. To-morrow too the House will be called upon to suspend the Army of Reserve Ad, while upon the same principle, no such suspension, is intended to take place. . Mr. ALEXANDER supported the'Bill, upon the principle, that the Militia Service Was the best cal culated to raise men . in . Ireland. It was there very different from this Country. From the want of Poor's Laws, 'and from 'the extensive subdivision of land,. the petty tenants, as most Of them were, at 51. a year, were more under the influence of the Landed Gentlemen, while the young men had no regular profession, were without education, and found 'it necessary to enlist with a country gentleman, ',to secure the lease to their families. Sir JOHN NEWPORT differed with the last Speaker. TO the North of Ireland, indeed, the,Mi. litia was generally raised in the particular Couniy but not so in the South, to which the system of raising by bounty materially contributed. Col. VEREKER spoke in sn'pport of the niP'- sure, as the best mode of raising additional force in' Ireland. To prove the facility of raising Militia in Ireland, he instanced what occurred 'during the time that he was Governor of Limerick,. where he found great difficulty in procuring Recruits for the Army of Reserve, though the Bou nty was as high as ten guineas per man. But whe n his own Regi s . merit of Militia was marched out of the town, not less than an hundred men followed it for twenty miles, desirous of being enlisted ; so much attached were the people to the Militia Servite. • Sir JOHN NEWPORT explained. Col. BAGWELL said a few wprds in a low tone of voice. Col. CRAUFURD could not support this mea_ sure, nor be convinced by any arguments brought in its favour. He believed there were m.iny who would raise Fencible.Regiments in Ireland. Lord de BLAQUIERE thought the mode of aug menting our force now proposed, the worst pos. sible mode that could be proposed. It was a measure of defence, and not of offence ; and, therefore, as the SECRTETARY Of STATE had brought it forward as a mode of increasing our offensive Force, he must, on his own principles, oppose it. Within twenty-four, or at most, forty-eight hours, he was certain that Government had received offers to raise Fencible Corps in Ireland. If ever he gave an honest vote in that House (a laugh), he should now, in voting against the measure. The question being put, the numbers appeared-,- Ayes, 128 Noes, 107 Majority - 2 1 On the G:illery being re-opened, • MI. ALEXANDER brought up the Report on the Irish Linen Man ufadure Bill, which was received, and ordered to be read a third time to-morrow. The Committee of Supply was deferred to Wed nesday next. Adjourned at Twelve o'Clock. MAILS. pus. AmpivEn. iramburgli o - - - - PRICE OF STOCKS, THIS DAY AT TWLLVII. O'CLOCK. COUSOIS THE SUN. SULEM QUIS DICERE FAISUM AUIEAT ? LONDON, APRIL 17, 1804. WE expressed our hope, a few days ago, that Ministers would lose no time in publicly vindi cating themselves and the Country from the in famous charges contained in the Report of the Grand Judge—not that we entertained any doubts upon the subjea, because no English Minister would stain his own charafter —no English Minister would dare compromise the char:lC . ler of the Coun try by such condua. But as the French Go vernment, regardless of truth, and dead to every sense of shame, had, in an Official Communication with the different Foreign Ministers at Paris, preter_ red the Charge against the Administration of this Country, it appeared to us that it should be imme diately and solemnly denied. In the House of Com mons last night, Lord MORYETH called upon Mini. stets for an explanation upon the subject, and received from the CtaAKcei,Loa of the ExcH EQI.I ER what ap. pcJrs to us a fuil, and satisfaaory uric, it d «sic, in degrce couti.ms- the opinion tvilidi w have 'uutiortniy tuaiut.,i , k.:d upon the sui.j: that t! ;e kvitolc, or the greater part of the D ,currents re-. Jerred to in the, Report of the Gra t id judge, are fabricated. It ,has been stat . ed, 'and . we .see no reason to diubt the accuracy of the statement, that the First Consul liz:vir;g transmitted to the lille6l.r)r of Bavaria the preten z ded'originals of Mr. DR A K respondence, intends to demand that Mr. DitArcE 'should be delivered up to him, as having by hi,s con- MI placed himself out of the proteaion of the,Law .of Nations. That BONAPARTE could.make and en force such a 'demand,. we can. readily believe, be cause his impatience of opposition, and his itnpla cable malignity against those WhO oppose itim,..have long been the leading feattires of his charaftFr ; and his late conaua shews that those feelings have been worked up almost to a pitch of frinzy. And we see as little reason to suppose that the ELECTOR of • BAvAa lA, in the present state of Europe, would be :disposed to disobey thc mandate of the First Con . sul ; and the consequence will ultimately be, that we shall not be allowed to have a British' Minister in any of the smaller Courts ott the Continent:_ There was also:another ptoceeding' in the House of Commons last night, to which we . wish to dirca the attention of our Readers. must , a long dis cussion on the Mill . Militia AUgmentation Bill, in which Mr. PIXT decidedly opposed it, a division took place, and. although there were trivo‘ ktodred and thirty seven Menders' Pieseni, the Ministers only had a majority of tsvenz>cne, the numbers being 12.8 and 107. This morning arrived the Hamburgh Mail due on Sunday. The Hamburgh Correspotzdenten contains the fol lowing Letter from Paris, of the 3oth nit, the in telligence conveyed by which does not appear in the Paris Papersof a later date. " The Senate' on the 28th voted an Address to the First Consul, to intreat him, as it' is reported, to take such measures with respeet to ,the future immutability of the GoVernment, as" may promote the general welfare. The First Consul came.to Paris to receive 'this Address, which the Senate carried up' in a. body... Wet are laisuted that the,First Consul will,• in consequence Of - 0e *is]) expressed by the Senate, assume Ehighe!.dignity, which will be made_ Hereditary. The Senate , . has, likewise, it is said, requested that~ a new National Court .of Justice may be-formed, fur the trial 'of offences against the safety of _the N trim and its Head,. It however, .ony - havi.. -- . juri dietion in case of future crimes, and-not with re_ spec} to the late Conspiracy." Seven Ships of the Line are, it is stated, to be built at - Antwerp in the course of the present year. Vice-Admiral TttuGuET is to take the command of the Brest Fleet. MORE AU is said to have confessed that he con versed with GEORGEi three times. It is highly improbable that he should have made any s,ucli con- fession. Several of the German States have published Re. scripts, forbidding the residence therein of French Emigrants. The Vessels of the Flushing Flotilla which had arrived at Dunkirk, proceeded to Ostend through the canals of Belgium. BY Letters from Admiral CORNWALLIS'S Fleet i we learn, that sixty-five of the Crew of the Mag. nificent, of 74. guns, Capt. Ji:Ry is, lost on the 2 1 th ult. on a sunken rock off Brest, are missing, and supposed to he drowned. Captain JERI/ ts, with the in-shore Squadron, had stood close in to Brest, with the view of cutting out a Store-ship and some Armed Vessels lying in Camaret Bay, and a number of Boats were detached from his Squadron upon this service, hut the wind unfortunately shifted, and the Magnificent and the other Ships were under the necessite. of working out imTe. diately, in doing which she struck upon the sunken rock, and very soon disappeared. The Crew were saved by the Ships near her, except about 70, nia,,te prisoners on a small Island. Of the Boats de tac hAd upon the Expedition, fifteen are missing, and ita. opinion on board the Fleet was, that they h a d 10c.% obliged by the wind to run into Brest The number of men in them could not be less than 160 or rBO. The intelligence .of this misfortune did not reach the Grand Fleet until the Ist instant. From our Fleet endeavouring, with a press of sail, to keep close in with Brest during the whole of the prevalence of the easterly winds, the general opi nion was, that the Admiral expeCled the French would attempt to come out. The crews of loin Ships were lieal(liy, and in good spirits. • His NLijesty's Ship Boadicea was stationed off Rochefort, to watch die more... Tents of the Ships in that Port. For several nights she had lain too in a particular spot, bulfrom a sudden . shct of wind, on the night of the 14th ultimo, she obliged to eff,,lbore. p At. .(!ky „break in the twrr rcc i v e,l 'a :Clench of the Line an.. a I..tig ite t:.ar her c)::1_ staff inn, but fortunmtly to leeward ot.her,, which gave our Frigate an or. t 7 of playing with t crT)Cii two or tin ce days; butAikvio& uo, 7ssel with her to send intelligeo22.- by to the Admiral, she was obliged to quit hersta . • tion, and 'collie up herself to inform the Admire'. These Ships had come opt with the intention of sir prizing .the JioaJ:cea• Seve.ral reports were 'yesterday in circulation re. spealing the sailing of the French and Dutch Squa_ drotis, but they were all without foundation. The appearances, however, at Boulogne, strongly indicate a disposition on the part of the Enemy to come ,ou'.• The number of vessels in &F.: Outer Harbour is much increases ; en Saturday they amounted to too vessels, viz. 25 Bri/s, , z large Schooners, and 8z Loggers. Tice vessels comprising the S!one Expedition_ ha)e again returned to Port, as the Weil. ther was ,unfavourable for the experiment. DEAL, .104.1101 r6.---Arrived the Fly 10 , Night Lugger,.. and., remains in the Downs, with the Utrecht,lVetefon, andMolarch Men of War ; La Virginie: and La Chlone Frigates ; Vesuvius and _Perseus - Bombs; jackall and Baselisk Gun.brigs. HARW Ic h, APRIL 16.—The Auckland Packet, Capt. HAtsINIOND, arrived from Tonningen, Jith the Hamburgh and Bremen Mails, Pasiengers, and . thirty-one casks of silver, under -convoy of ti,e Badger Excise Cutter, Capt. GuNntoß, who brought over WM. DRUMMOND, Eq.—Mr. ROSE and family arrived by the Auckland Packet. A large Pleet of Ships, together with the Packets for Husum and Gottenburgh, are still detained by the wind blowing hard at East. , PORTSMOUTH, APRIL I6.—Arrived the. Fi;rt Cutter, with the Princess Royal, Whitley, Ellett,. and Tartar Transports, under convoy, from the Westward. Went. out of HArbourthe London Transport. Sailed the Hydra Frigate on a cruize. Arrived yesterday evening the llanuah, of Ben from the Downs, bollix' to the East In dies. . . • Yesterday the LORD CH ANC.EILOR' had' an dience of His MAJESTY. .On. account of the bad weather yesterday, HER, MAJESTY and the PRINCESSES did not leave the Queen's House. . . • Yesterday noon' a Council was held at. Lord. HAWKESBURV'S.Office, in Downing-street. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, Earl ST. VIN. CENT, Lords HOBART and HAWKESBURY, arid Mr. Yu au: were present. Ttitll. 7 iteATKE.—The Benefit of Mrs. JORDAN' last night, at Drury-lane Theatre, attracted a crowded audience. The - Dramatic Performances on this occasion were, Me Comedy of The Hypo. crite, aind , a,new Farce, entitled, The Middle D - Ish, or The Irishman in Turkey. The Itypocrite, was altogether very, well . cast, and the Chara&ers were, of course, ably sustained. The new Farce of The, Middle Dish is to be considered as one of those hasty offerings at the shrine of friendship, which are chiefly intended to serve an occasional purpose. Considered .in that light, it deserved rather more favour. than it experienced last night. The hero of the piece, ate Irish.. man, is, .with his wife, exalted into the -si tuation of their superiors, the latter of whom wait upon them, and . gratify them with the choicest dainties, prohibiting, however, any taste of the middle dish. This prohibition naturally operates upon the perverse temper of mankind, in stimulating a greater desire for that dish than for all surrounding luxuries, particularly as honest . Pat conceives that the forbidden fruit consists of Tardl;4l, Potatoes, which he wants to compare with the produce of his native soil. There is some hu. mour in the conception of this Piece, though it is indeed partly suggested by the Taming of the Shrew; but it is evidently a hasty composition. The Performers exerted themselves with great zeal, and the Piece was much indebted to the humour Of JOHNSTON E and Mrs. JORDAN. BRAHANt's Benefit last night was an e rflaw;f2 g bumper. The Dramatic Pieces were The Haunted Tower, and No Song No Supper, with a vast variety of vocal treasures. His own musical exertions were very great indeed, particularly his Polaera, from The Cabinet, which had the most hearty entore per hapi.ever heard in a Theatre. _ Mr. BEST and his Second, one day last week, sent notice to Sir RICHARD FORD, that they would sur render themselves fur trial at the Old Bailey as yes terday morning ; accordingly' proper °dicers at. tended to take charge of them, but the parties did. not keep their appointment ; the r,:ason assigned for which is, that Mr. BEST and his friend, at the time they gave the above notice, took it for granted :hat a Bill would be preferred against them this preseot Sessions, when they would be brought to trial ; bat having afterwards learned that no Bill had been pre ferred, they were apprehensive, that by surrendering now, they would be obliged to remain in prison until the next Sessions. Last , night, at half past nine o'clock, a fire broke out at a rope-walk belonging to Mr. CORN. w.,ALL, at the end of Back-laue, St. George's Ro id, in the parish of Shadwell, which burnt with great fury, and In a short rime it communicated to Mr. Mt LES'S dcal.yard , ; which place, together with the rope-walk, was entirely consurnd. The conflagra. tion at one time became so great, that Apprehen sions were entertained for the whole neighbour hood. The timely exertions of the fire-engines, however, prevented the dat roaion of Burton's_ buildings, several houses in which were repeat ed), on fire. Five or six houses were consider. ably damaged, as well as a liotp# in Mercer's-row ; and one in Price's-row. The ;ire was entirely go: under at la o'clock, and no furth mi: , cl . wit, ap i prehended. It was not known 11uw it originated. 1