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Mr. WEYLAND and others, from the Commons, brought up the Exchequer Court (Scotland) Bill, and two private Bills, which were severally read a first time, 013 the motion of the Earl of SHAFTESBURY. The Earl of RADNOR presented a petition from the county of Roscommon in f avour of R e f orm , an d one f rom IttilireW.tea the sane effect. The Earl of SHEFFIELD presented petitions from Shipley, and another place in Kent, against the present System of poor laws. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE presented a petition from tLe Physicians and Surgeons of Leeds, praying that some plan might be adopted for supplying the dissecting rooms; also one from the inhabitants of the same place, to the same effect. Viscount STRANGFORD moved for aseries of re turns,,, relative to the foreign shipping which had arrived in t his country for the last three years ; also for a return of all sums paid by the Treasury to Corporations as a `1 c A "'Pensation for their loss of dues under th e R ec ip roc ity from the Ist of Jan. 1826 to the the Ist of Jan. 1 , 832 . The Noble Lord said be did not m e an to blame t ne Government for paying these sums. They had only a t cted in thi s respec t as th e i r pre d ecessors h a d d one, b ut both had acted illegally in so disposing of the public money. Lord AUCKLAND said it had only come to his know ledge a few days ago that such payments were illegal. A Bill of Indemnity was in preparation, and would soon be before the House. Lord TENTERDEN moved the third reading of the Arbitration Bill. The Marquis of WESTMEATH was perhaps irregular in making any remarks on the third reading of a Bill, but he was very anxious to see this Bill extended to Ireland. Lord TENTERDEN observed, such an amendment Might h e introduced in the other House of Parliament. He could not now do it. The Bill was then read a third time, and passed. The Embezzlement of Public Money Bill went through a Committee, and was reported without amendments. Their Lordships then adjourned till Monday. :herein. HOUSE OF COMMONS. At Four o'clock the SPEAKNIC took his seat. Mr. HODGSON brought in a Bill for making a rail- Way front South Shields to Monkwearmouth, which was read the first time. Mr. CHAYTOR obtained leave to bring in a Bill for constructing some wet docks in the port of Sunderland. Mr. BLAMIRE presented a petition from the owners 'and occupiers of customary lands in Brampton and its neighbourhood, in the county of Cumberland, against the General Registry Bill. The Hon. Member contended the Bill made an invidious distinction between customary tenants and copyhold tenants. He also presented three similar petitions from different parts of Cumberland, in one of which, so great was the feeling against the Bill, the petitioners suppressed their willingness even to forego the benefits to be derived front the great measure of Reform rather than be compelled to receive and adopt a general °Patna of registration. Mr. CAMPBELL presented a petition from the no clergy, &e. of the county of Argyle against certAin Parts of the Scotch Reform Bill. Sir G. MURRAY was extremely happy that he hap pened to be in the House when the Hon. Member pre sented the petition, because he was sure the Honourable Aleinber and himself would entirely concur in the respect ability of the parties from whom it came. He agreed with the observation made by the Hon. Member, that the dpersons signing the petition were not Anti• Reformers, in eed h e thought very few entitled to that appellation Were resident in Scotland. He was not absolutely o pposed to Reform, but joined hand and heart with the Petitioners i n pray i ng f or mo d erate Reform. H e per te, e l petitioners coincid e d w i th the pet i t i oners in considering that ne claus e which threw the great mass of the constituency into the hands of the 101. householders was ex ceedingly objectionable in that part of the country from Whence the petition came ; it would be the means of over- Wh sinting the landed interest. t . After a few o b serva ti ons f r om Mr. CAMPBELL, the pe- It inn was ordered to be printed. T he HON. Min i m a . then presented a petition to a simi ar effect from a borough in Argyle. f ' l ll° petitions from Fifeshire, Augleshire, and the Island dYla, praying that a Reform as extensive as the one "Oat forward by Ministers, might be passed into a law. 1, 0 1%- r; MORRISON thought the petitions which ; Just been presented, shewed the great neces l'tY th ere was for a Reform in Scotland. ,„ ti Al k t. • CAMPBELL then presented a memorial from the i d i .„‘,itatata of Argyle, praying for no alteration on the ii; u eck on Malt. i d; t • HODGES presented a petition from a person re- I ttzi g in Kent, complaining of the mal-operation of the poor The Hen. Member also presented a petition .No. 12,291. from the solicitors of Kent, signed by upwards of 100 persons against the general Registry Bill. It bad been stated, that gentlemen in the situation of the petitioners, had a private interest in opposing this Bill. He was however quite satisfied that no motives of a selfish na ture cuuld be attributed to that respectable body of which the petitioners formed a part. Sir F. BLAKE presented a petition from Berwick upon-Tweed, signed by the Mayor and several Magistrates, against the General Registry Bill, and praying that it might not pass into a law. The Hon. Member entirely concurred with the prayer of the petition, believ ing tbat the most injurious effects were likely to en sue if the Bill should become the law of the land. It was a great hardship that such a measure should be forced upon the country against the wishes and inclinations of the landed interest. He gave every credit to the Hon. and Learned Member who introduced the Bill, but it was an injudicious measure—it was an innovation amounting almost to an invasion of the right of property. If that Honourable and Learned Gentleman would still persevere, he might expect the determined opposition of every Member in that House, who, in the true English spirit, might be led, but would not be driven. Mr. CAMPBELL said, that if, after the Bill was dis cussed and understood, it did not meet the public approba tion, he would most willingly withdraw it.—(Hear.) At present, however, it was wholly misunderstood, or rather misrepresented. He felt it his duty still to press the Bill into Committee ; for he was certainly most anxious that it should be discussed in that House, and understood out of doors. His own private opinion was that it would be beneficial in its operation ; but if, after its merits were known, it met the public disapprobation, be would most willingly withdraw it.—(Hear.) Sir F. BLAKE also presented a petition from the Justices of Peace and Grand Jury of the General Quarter Session of Berwick-upon-Tweed, against the General Register Bill ; and stated that landowners were more com petent to judge of what was for their own interest than the promoters of this Bill ; and while the general opinion of the country was so unequivocally opposed to the measure, he hoped the House would pause before it allowed it to pass into a I,IW. Mr. BAYNTUN presented a petition to the same effect from the city of York. Instead of facilitating, the General Registry Bill would greatly obstruct the borrowing of money upon mortgage ; while the deposit of deeds would be inju rious, and might promote litigation. Mr. CROKER highly approved of the principle of the Bill, but would not be thereby precluded from ob jecting to some of its details in Committee. Mr. CAMPBELL would feel proud of the Right Hon. Gentleman's assistance in amending the Bill in Committee. In answer to the objection made by the Hon. Member for York, he would only say that the effect of the Bill would be greatly to facilitate the borrowing of money on mort gage, and the objection proved only that the Hon. Member and his constituents who objected to it had not sufficiently considered the Bill. Mr. FRENCH presented a petition from Roscommon for an additional number of representatives for Ireland. O'CONNER DON supported the prayer of the petition. Mr. (RATTAN regretted that the Irish Reform 13,11 was so different from the English one, and contended that as far as the machinery of the measure was concerned the Irish Bill should be the same as the English Bill. Mr. HUNT presented a petition from the Reformed Association of Paisley against the Anatomy Bill now before the House ; the petitioners stated that they viewed that Bill with horror and disgust. The petition being signed only by the chairman and secretary, although agreed to at a public meeting, could only be received as from those two individuals. ~,After a few words from Mr. WasoN it was ordered to le on the table. Mr. HUNT next presented a petition from the Political Union at Manchester, praying for Annual Parliaments, Vote by Ballot, and Universal Suffrage ; also a petition from the same parties, praying for an investigation into the outrages committed at Manchester in the year 1819. The petitioners stated that their recollection of those outrages bad been revived by the recent correspond ence between Mr. Hulton, a Magistrate, and the Noble Lord the Chancellor of the Exchequer. The Hon. Mem • her, in conclusion, stated that he should, on the 23d of February, move for the appointment of a Select Committee to inquire into these transactions. Dir. CHOKER moved for a return of the population of every town in Great Britain, sending Members to Parlia ment above 3,000, and the number of houses contained Mr. O'CONNELL gave notice that on Thursday next he would present a petition from St. John's, Grenada, on the subject of the quitrents due to the Crown. The Lunatic Asylum Bill was forwarded a stage. Lord J. RUSSELL gave notice, that on Friday next be should move for leave to bring in a Bill to settle the limits of cities and boroughs in England and Wales, hav ing the privilege of sending Members to Parliament. In answer to a questio❑ from Mr. Wv}tN, Lord J. RUSSELL said, he did not consider the enquiry so closely connected with the subject of which he had given notice, as to be considered uncourteous in refusing a reply to the Right Hon. Gentleman. Sir G. CLERK requested to know whether the infor mation communicated by the Commissioners sent to Scotland to ascertain the limits of cities and boroughs there, was to be laid before the House to-night, as this was the night on which the Scotch Reform Bill was to be read a second time, or when Hon. Members might receive that information ? Lord ALTIIORP did not think it would be long before lie should be able to lay the information before the House. Lord G. SOMERSET w►shed to know whether it was the intention of Ministers to bring in a Bill, and when, for the purpose of amending the defects of the Beer Bill ? Lord ALTHORP said, whatever regulations might be thought of with respect to that Bill, he trusted none would ever be adopted, calculated to alter the main principle of the Bill. At present he was unprepared to say he would bring in any Bill on the subject. Lord G. SOMERSET was of opinion that some altera tion should be made in the enactments of the Bill. And unless some abler person than himself took up the subject, he should himselt set about preparing a measure for the consideration of the House. Col. DAVIES did not conceive there conld be a more misehievota Bill than the Beer Bill, as it at present stood. There was not a Magistrate who did not complain of it.--(" Hear," from Mr. Hume.) The Gallant Colonel did not understand that cheer from hie Hon. Fiend the Member for Middlesex, who he believed from one year's end to the other, though a county Member, never left Lon don, and knew as muck of the effects of the Bill, as the table before the Speaker.—(A laugh.) Mr. HUME protested against the evidence of Magistrates on this subject—the evidence of men from whom by the Beer Bill a monopoly had been taken away—(Hear and cheers)—and who, no doubt, were anxious to get that monopoly restored. With regard to his ignorance, on this subject, he would assert that he knew just as much, and probably more, about the effects of the Beer Bill in its present shape, than the Hon. Member who had taken upon himself to pretend to so much knowledge. He had a great deal to do throughout the county which he represented, and both from his personal observation, and from all that he had heard, lie could assure the House, in Middlesex at least, the Beer Bill was extremely beneficial. Colonel DAVIES said, it was not with a view of keeping up the desire of a monopoly that he had al luded to the Magistrates at all. The Magistrates did not object to the Bill, because it deprived them of a mono poly—it was only against the clause permitti ng t i pp li ng on the premises that they objected to. Mr. \VEYLAND put a question to the Chancellor of the Exchequer respecting the poor laws, upon which Lord ALTHORP could only say, as he had said last ❑ight, that the inquiry was now going on on the sub ject of the Poor Laws—that inquiry could not take a long time time, and as soon as possible after it was eo n _ eluded, he intended to bring in a Bill. The House then resolved itself into a Committee on the REFORM BILL. Mr. BERNAL in the Chair. Mr. DENISON, in reference to the 27th clause, would adduce an adjudged case to prove the endless litigation and general confusion which would arise under its present form. It had been decided at the General Quarter g,- sion, that a person inhabiting a house and paying 4s. a week had a settlement under the clause, hut when brou before the King's Bench, it was decided that although the payment of 4s. a week was a larger sum than 101. a year, yet it did not give a settlement. That left the question where it was, and, in the same way, endless liti gation and squabbling would be occasioned without com ing to any satisfactory conclusion. The decision left it open to what weekly amount would give a settlement. His proposition, however, which was indeed substantially that of his Hon. Friend, would he founded on the simple rate, and not upon the value. The question of rate was preferable to the question of value; he would, therefore, fix the franchise upon the former. It might be objected that a new assessment would be occasioned all over the coun try, which being so universal, might admit of much job bing. He was anxious, therefore, to avoid the necessity of a new Reform, and he should propose that reference be made to the Conuni•sioners to the rate as it stood at present. If the 10/. clause were sent forth in Cumberlandv, by the objection arising from value, it would be a very fruitful source of litigation, which under his proposi tion might be prevented.—( Hear, hear.) He should therefore move as an amendment to leave out the words in clause 27, iehich followed the word " occupy" in line 28, down to the words 101. in line 33, for the purpose of in serting the following words, " Any premises answering to the description hereinafter mentioned." Lord JOHN RUSSELL understod his Hon. Friend to propose that the franchise should be attached to the house, rather than the persons inhabiting it, and that houses having been ascertained to he of the value of 101., a settlement under the clause should belong to it. But the difficulty, if it existed, did not to his mind appear to be at all les sened by the effect of this proposition. The difficulty would be at that, to ascertain whether the house was of that value. It would not he necessary to enquire into the subject of the value again, for as a point of practice, occupier of a house would be admitted to rate as the the occupier of a house of 101. a year. The difficulty with respect to those houses to which an additional value had been affixed, and to which the Honourable Member who had just sat down had proposes! should not be placed in the register till after the lapse of three or five years. With regard to that difficulty which he felt, he (Lord J. Russell) slid not think that it was just to act as he had pointed out, because, how ever, persons who had built houses of considerable value ought to derive the same advantage and the same privilege which was enjoyed by persons inhabiting a house of 101. a year. With respect, however, to what the Honourable Member had stated with reference to houses rated at 101. a year, as to the difficulty of as certaining their value, on which a good deal of discussion had taken place last night, there was only one fact to which he (Lord John Russell) had tried to put aside that difficulty, namely, that in the city of Norwich there sal been for some length of time very serious disputes with respect to the appointment of the guardians of the poor by the Corporation, and at length an inhabitant of Norwich applied to Parliament for a Bill, by which the right of voting for guardians of the poor was placed in persons occupying lands or tenements of the value of 101., and who should be rated to the relief of the poor.—( Hear.) That Act bad been in operation for some time in the city of Warwick, and a year or two ago, that act requiring an amendment, certain parties brought in a new Bill, which was the subject of much dis cussion in that House, but the clause which enabled passions occupying tenements of 101. a year to vote at Alit election of guardians for the poor, had been found so efficient in practice, that it was introduced into the new Bill without any alteration. The Noble Lord then read a letter from a gentleman residing in Norwich, strongly advocating the good effects which had resulted from that clause to the city of Norwich. The Noble Lord referred to the Act of 1827, and read the clause in it relating to the 101. qualification, and stated that it had been found easy in practice, and was carried on now without difficulty. The application for a franchise would be tried with a kind of favour on one side, viz., on the side of those claiming the franchise, and therefore the persons claiming to vote in virtue of a 10. qualification would have but little difficulty in having that claim decided. Mr. W.WYNNE thought the election of guardian of the poor was very different from that of a Member of Par liament. It would be impossible to lay down in this Act a set of rules by which all the assistant barristers and committees in election-petitions should be guided. As tea the claim for the franchise being decided with some favour to the claimant, he thought that the investigatio❑ of such claims would be attended with great inconvenience. After a few words from Lord ALTHORP, which were inaudible in the Gallery, Sir. R. PEEL said that the Ast alluded to regarding Norwich was passed in party spiri:, running very ghhg is thst town ; but whether the Act was applicable to the case or afforded every proof of the benefits to be derived from the clause in theßeform gill under discussion. The Norwich Act was passed solely with a view of assessing the houses to the poor rate, and lie had not heard the Noble Lord opposite say that the inhabitants of Norwich voted ac cording to their contribution to the poor or county rate. If there was to be one criterion for the franchise and another for the contribution to the rates, and if they agreed it would be well, but if they did not, in what state would the qualification be. He advised the Noble Lord to get rid of these annual rates, and fix it for three or fire years, and for God's sake to gee rid of the difference of value.—(Hear.) Lord J. RUSSELL would be gird to take the assess ment to the poor or county rate, as a criterion, if he possibly could ; but it was so irregular, that it would be impossible to adopt it. The question to decide was, whether the House would take one side a rule for the franchse that would lead to many inconviences, or whether they would exclude from the franchise a great many householders. The Government preferred insuring those inconveniences which would exist but for a time, and to give to the constitu ency a large proportion of respectable householders. Lord ALTHORP rose, and was left speaking. rHE LONDON GAZETTE THIS EVENING. \VAR-OFFICE, FEB. 3. 3d Regiment of Light Dragoons—Lieut. T. Richardson to be Captain, by purchase, vice Jebb, who retires; Cornet W. S. Conway, to be Lieutenant, by purchase, vice Richardson, Feb. 3. 4th Light Dragoons—Lieut. It. Fawkes, from the Ceylon Regiment, to be Lieutenant, vice Bharpin, who exchanges, Feb. 3. Coldstream Regiment of Guards—Lieut.-Colonel J. G. Peters, from half-pay, to be Captain and Lientenant-Colonel, vice F. T. Buller, who exchanges, Feb. 3. a Regiment of Foot, C. L. Bennett; Gent, to be Ensgn, by purchase, vice Faulkner, who retiaes, tebrnry 4th Eoot, Lieutenant C. J. Otter, from half-pay of the 14th Regiment, to be Lieutenant, vice C. Cameron, who exchanges, February a sth Foot—Lieut. C. Greaves, from the 14th Regiment, to be Lieutenant, vice It. Foot, who exchanges, Feb. 3. lith Foot—Lieut. H. A. Dalton, from half-pay of the Ist Foot, to be Lieutenant, vice G. S. Baker, who exchanges; and lt. S. Grady, Gent., to be Ensign, by purchase, vice Leslie, appointed to the 59th Regiment, Feb. 3. Foot.—Licut. T. Egar, from 48th Regiment, to be Lieu tenant, without purchase, vice Hill promoted. .„. 13th . Foot.—Lfeut. D. Campbell, from half-pay, to be Lieu tenant, vice Edwards appointed to the 65th Regiment. I.9th'Foot.—C. J. Freeman, Gent. to be En's'ign, by purchase, vice Deacon promoted to 49th Regiment. Feb. at, 1832. list Foot—Lint. E. H. Plunkett, from half-pay of the 84th Re giment, to be First Lieutenant, vice H. Brade, who exchanges; Feb. 3. - 38th loot—Gentleman Cadet J. W. S. Smith, from the Royal Military College, to be Eniign, without purchase, vice Whitten, promoted ; Feb. 3. 59th Foot—Ensign de W. Richardson to be Lieutenant by purchase, vice KirKaldy, who retires, Feb. 3. 76th Foot—Ensign It. Bruce to be Lieutenant, by purchase, vice Thompson, who retires, Feb. 3. 90th Foot—Lieut. R. G. Daunt to be Captain, without pur chase, vice Laing, deceased, Jan. '2l; Ensign Geale to be Lieutenant, vice Daunt; Gent. Cadet J. F. Doxat, from the Royal Military College, to be Ensign, vice Geale, Feb. 3. 95th Foot—Lieut. P. Collis to be Captain, by purchase, vice Hall, who retires ; Ensign J. Wardle to be Lieutenant, by pur chase, vice Collis; Ensign H. F. Scobell, from 54th Regiment, to be Ensign, vice Wardle, Feb. 3. Ist West India Regiment—Ensign J. I). Blythe, from 57th Regiment, to be Lieutenant, by purchase, vice Waddell, who re tires, Feb. 3. DECLARATION OF INSOLVENCY. WILLIAM MORGAN, Livsrpool-street, London, merchant. BANKRUPTS. PETER YOUNG, Fenchurch-street, sailmaker. JAMES CROW EASLING, Chandos-street, Covent-garden, victualler. -- 14 - 11R - RY BRISTOW WILSON, Lawrence Pountney-hill, boarding-house-keeper. EDW AR D ALLFORD, Bishopsgate-street Without, up holsterer. HENRY WILSON, Sun-street, woollen-draper. JAMES PESTELL, Stotfold, Bedfordshire, miller. JAMES CHAMBERLAIN, Aldermanburv, warehouseman. HENRY BENNS, Norwich, cordwainer. JOHN CARELESS and SOHI A CARELESS, Bristol, bakers. SAMUEL HATTERSLEY, GEORGE HATTERSLEY, and I,EV I II ATTERSLEY, Bradford, York, machine-makers. THOMAS PEA EKES, Great Shelsley,Worcestershiretgrocer. WILLIAM STEAD, Shrewsbury, mercer. JOSEPH LAWTON, Saddleworth, Yorkshire, grocer. NATHANIEL THOMAS, Manchester, upholsterer. WILLIAM LAWTON, B rkinhead Cheshir:. limeburner. JOHN HATRO, Wigton, Cumb er l ang, c n-faatar. HENRY and JAMES CA ZENOVE, Broad-street-buildings, merchants. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF COMMONS, FRDRUARY 2. ( Continued from our Second Edition of yesterday.) BELGIUM. Lord PALMERSTON laid on the table a copy of the treaty relating to the Netherlands, with the ratification of Great Britain, France, and Belgium, of the 31st Jan. Lord MILTON would appeal to the Learned Member for Kerry not to persist in his motion for placing the name of a Noble Friend of his (Lord Killeen) on the Select Com mittee appointed to inquire as to tithes in Ireland. A. the Committee stood, he (Lord Milton) was disposed to place every confidence in it ; at the .ame time that he could not but regret the exclusive nature of the Committee, and lie must add, that if the Hon. Member's motion should come to the vote, he should feel it his duty to vote for it. Mr. O'CONNELL being anxious, as a zealous Re former, ' not to place the least bar i❑ the progress of the Reform Bill, which had already lost a night this week, begged leave, in accordance with the request of the Noble Lord, to withdraw his motion.—(Hear.) Mr. O'CONNELL obtained leave to bring in a Bill to extend the jurisdiction of Civil Bill Courts in Ireland from the late Irish currency to the present currency of the realm ; and also leave to bring in a Bill for the regulation of the service of writs issuing from the superior Courts in Ireland. Mr. R. GORDON moved for leave, as the existing Bill would expire this session, to bring in a Bill to regulate the care of insane persons in England. After a few words from Lord G. Somxitsvr, leave was given to bring in the Bill. COURT OF EXCHEQUER (SCOTLAND) BILL. Sir G. CLERK rsoved to add the Lord Advocate, Mr. C. Fergusson, Mr. C. Bruce, Sir G. Warrender, Mr. Pringle, and Mr. Dixon, to the Committee on the Court of Exchequer (Scotland) Bill. Lord ALTHORP opposed it, on the ground of any ad dition being unnecessary. After a few words from Mr. C. Fergusson, Sir W. Rae, Mr. C. Bruce, the Lord Advocate, Sir C. Wetherell, Mr. K. Douglas, and Mr. Croker, the House divided, when the [lumbers were— For the motion Against it lO6 Majority —4-1 REFORM (ENGLAND) BILL. Lord J. RUSSELL moved the Order of the Day for the House resolving itself into a Committee on the Reform Bill. Lord EBRINGTON wished to know from the Noble Chancellor of the Exchequer whether it was his in tention to move that the House should sit on Saturdays, for the purpose of expediting the progress of the Reform Bill ? Lord ALTHORP saw no reason at present for adding Saturday to the Committee days.—(Hear.) The Bill was then advancing at a more rapid pace through its Committee stage than it did last session, so that the same urgent ne cessity did not exist for adopting the course pursued on that occasion. Should it, however, become necessary to take the Committee on Wednesdays or Saturdays, he would of course submit a proposition to the House for adding those days to the other four already devoted to the Bill.—(Hear, hear.) Lord STORAIONT thought Wednesday would be a preferable day to Saturday. Mr. WYNN contended for the necessity of devoting We dnesday to the consideration of the miscellaneous public business. Alderman WAITHMAN, as one well acquainted with the feeling of dissatisfaction at the slow progress of the Bill entertained out of doors, begged leave to urge upon Ministers the necessity of pres.ing the Bill forward through its stages with more energy than they had hi therto evinced. Lord ALTHORP begged leave to give notice, that a motion stood for Tuesday which was likely to occupy the time of the House till it would be too late for the Com mittee on the Reform Bill, He would move that the Committee should sit o❑ Wednesday, on the understand ing, however, that the arrangement was to be for that par ticular occasion only. Mr. CROKER begged leave, for the information of the Hon. Alderman, whose only knowledge of the Reform Bill was evidently gleaned east of Temple-bar, to state that the delay in the progress of the Bill originated wholly in the bunglings, and postponements, and alterations of its framers and supporters. Alderman WAITHMAN—I beg leave, my Lord Mayor. —(Great laughter, which lasted a couple of minutes.) The Hon. Alderman was proceeding to et ite that the delay was owing to the endless speeches of the opposition Members, when he was interrupted by cries of " Spoke, spoke." Lord EBRINGTON agreed with the Hon. Alderman that great discontent existed out of doors with reference to the slaw progress of the Bill through that House—a House especially convoked to promote its speedy settle ment by every constitutional means in its power. The public saw with much dissatisfaction that much valuable time was wasted by the needless speeches of the opponents of the Bill, rendering it incum bent on Ministers and the friends of Reform to employ their best energies to defeat the artifices of delay nightly resorted to by its enemies. —(Hear.) Indeed, so impressed was he with the necessity of this, and with the conviction of the mischievous consequences out of doors of unnecessary delay, that should the Bill not advance more rapidly than it had done, he would move that the House sit every Satur- day, from twelve to six o'clock, till the Bill shall have passed through its Committee stage. Sir H. HARDINGE begged leave in the most em phatic manner to deny that the Opposition side of the Home had endeavoured to occasion any unnecessary delay in the progress of the Bill. " What !" continued the Right Hon. and Gallant Gentleman, " are we already arrived at that period in which our proceedings are to be dictated to out of doors ?_(Hear, hear.) Are we already arrived at the period when the House of Commons shall have no rule of its own, but must implicitly obey the dic tates of the sections of London ?—(Cheers from the Oppo sition.) I, for one, will never submit to be so dictated to.—(Continued cheers.) I know full well that Ministers can only hope to carry their Bill by the aid of the mob. —(" No, no," and " hear, hear.") I say yes ; they court the mob ; and the sections of London, speaking through their organ, the Noble Lord who has just sat down" Lord EBRINGTON—" I rise, Sir, to repel with in dignation the assertion of the Right Hon. and Gallant General—(Vehement cheers from the Ministerial benches) —in terms as positive as is consistent with the forms of this House. I declare the statement to be a misrepresen tation—l presume unintentionally so—but a misrepresen tation of fact.—(Continued cheering.) I distinctly stated that I thought that a great waste of time and words was the result of the course pursued by Hon. Gentlemen oppo site, and that the country felt justly dissatisfied with the unnecessary delay to the progress of the Reform Bill which was thereby occasioned. That statement I repeat, and I repeat it that I repel with indignation the assertion of the Right Hon. and Gallant General, that I am the organ of a mob or section.—(Load cheers.) I scorn the insinua tion of being the organ of sentiments or opinions of any man or party differing from my own. I stand here the representative of a large and flourishing county, as inde pendent in my opinions and in my expressions of them as any man who hears me._(Hear, bear.) And I beg leave also to state that these opinions are as honestly enter tained, and as fearlessly avowed, as any ever entertained or e xpressed by the Right Hon. and Gallant General."— (Loud cheers.) Sir H. HARDINGE—" When the intemperate cheers of certain Hon. Gentlemen, whom I have in my eye, shall have ceased, I will reply to the Noble Lord. The Noble Lord's chief argument for his intended motion was founded on the opinion entertained by persons out of doors, with respect to what he and they called the unnecessary delay to th e progress of the Reform Bill, occasioned by the Opposi tion aide of the House. The Noble Lord did not, I admit, use the word ' section,' but I say that whea many Hon. Members of this House permit themselves to be dictated to by the mob out of doors—(' Name, name.')—l do not feel myself called upon to name any particular person, and will only refer to what has already been stated, among others b y myself in this House, with respect to the conduct of two Noble Lords opposite,—Cabinet Ministers,—in their c orrespondence with the Birmingham Union, in which they described, I would say libelled the decision of the House of Lord s as the ' whisper of a faction.'—(Cheers from the Opposition.) The Noble Lord avows that his chief argument for his intended motion for the House to sit on Saturdays is founded on the complaints out of doors at the slow progress of the Bill, and I felt and feel that I was warranted in considering it in the light of mob dicta tion.—(Cheers.) It was to this my observations ►ere PRICE 7D. directed. The Noble Lord slys he repels with indignation my statement. I know not what meaning the Noble Lerd attaches to hie words, hut I tell him that if he repels with indignation what I may address to him, I am ready to meet him in any way and any place he pleases.—(Cheers, and cries of chair.') I have only to add, that whenever I shall hear Hon. Members make out-of-door statements the rule of their conduct in this House, I wil—recollecting the indignation of the Noble Lord, or any other Noble Lord— express my indignation ; and that I see no reason to retract a syllable or iota of what I have uttered."—(Cheers from the Opposition.) Lord EBRINGTON—" The Right Hon. and Gallant General stated that I was here the organ of the sections' of Londen—that they 'spoke through me as their organ. —(Hear.) To that assertion I gave, and again give, a a positive denial, a flat contradietien.—(Cheers.) No gentleman has a right to state what is unfounded in fact ; far less when the assertion is calculated to convey an un just insinuation.—(Hear, hear ) I repeat that the asser tion of the Right Hon. and Gallant General is perfectly unfounded in fact."—(Cheers.) After a few words from Mr. Gsulburn, Lnrd Althorp, Sir G. Murray, and Sir C. Wetherell, the discussion dropped, and the House went into Committee. Lord J. RUSSELL moved the 17th clause, to the effect that towns which are in counties in themselves should he included in adjoining counties for the county elections. The clause had been postponed till the 24th had been dis posed of, on the understanding that the decision on the latter should be final with respect to the former, both in volving a common principle. . . Mr. CROKER admitted that such was the understand ing-, and therefore would not divide the Committee on the 17th clause. Colonel SIBTHORPE moved, as an amendment to that part of the clause which applied to Lincoln, that " all freeholders whose freeholds in the county of the city of Lincoln are situated on the northern side of the river Wi tham shall vote in future for the representatives in Parlia ment for the diviaiun of Lindsey, in the county of Lin coln ; and all the freeholders whose freeholds are situated on the southern side of the aforesaid river in the same city, including the four parishes annexed by charter to the same county-city, shall vote for representatives in Par liament for the division of Kesteven and Holland." He would not take the sense of the Committee in the then state of the House, but would reserve the division till the report was brought up. The Gallant Gentleman then re peated one of his usual statements with respect to the in creasing unpopularity of the Reform Bill in the county of Lincoln, and of a " re-action in the country at large, and with respect to his obligations to the reporters. Sir H. INGILBY would let the Gallant Gentleman misrepresent the city of Lincoln as much as he pleased, but would not permit his so grossly misrepresenting the county of Lincoln as to assert uncontradicted that a re- action had taken place in its inhabitants with respect to Reform. No such re-action had taken place. Indeed, the Gallant Gentleman's assertion on this head could only be paralleled by those of a veracious German writer of the name of Munchausen.—(Hear and laughter.) Colonel SIBTHORPE would repeat that a re-action had taken place in the county of Lincoln with respect to the Reform Bill, and would maintain that the contrary state ment of the Hon. Baronet was wholly unfounded in fdct. The amendment was then negatived without a division, and the clause agreed to. The 25th clause, enacting that no person shall be en titled to vote for a county in respect of certain copyholds and leaseholds in a borough, was then agreed to. On the 26th clause, enacting that possession for a cer tain time and registration are essential to the right of vot ing for a county, Lord ALTHORP, under the circumstances of the pre sent Bill, which was not likely to pass so early as to render it necessary to make a specific enactment for the regibtra tion of the present year, would move that the blank be tilled up with " the 20th of June." Mr. C. W. WYNN would take this opportunity of repeating the suggestion he had made last session, that for the purpose of expediting the Bill, and to afford time fer deliberation upon other subjects, it would he highly deli. rable to divide the Bill, after the 34th or 35th clause, when the rights of voting were all determined, and to leave the question of registration and subordinate details for a sepa rate discussion. These, he thought, might be much bet ter discussed in a Committee up stairs. Lord ALTHORP objected to this proposition, as far as we could collect amidst the noise. The clause, as amended, was agreed to. On the 27th clause being read, which enacts that the right of voting in boroughs shall be enjoyed by occupiers of houses, &c., of the annual value of 101., Mr. HUNT moved to substitute the following :—" That all householders paying taxes shall have a vote for the re spective Members to be chosen in the next and every suc ceeding Parliament." He should not have condescended to move his amendment if he had not intended to follow it up, if lost, with a motion that " all persons who shall be excluded from voting shall be exempt from taxes and rates, and from serving in the militia, and be protected from being impressed to serve in the navy." Mr. C. FERGUSSON observed, that the present Bill was undoubtedly better than the last in respect to the 10/. clause, but there were still opportunities afforded for abuse and erasion. A fixed qualification of even 5/. a•year was better than a shifting and fugitive one, whereby a class of voters might be let in without respectability or character. A general registry of the whole kingdom, for the qualifi • cation of voters, was a desirable object. Sir R. PEEL denied that there was any necessity for a specific sum applicable to every place. His objection to the clause was, that it took a certain standard, and applied it to every elector in any part of the kingdom. So far from assuming that 10/. was fit to be the fixed invariable rate for the elective franchise, be should be in favour of lowering the rate in certain taxes. He could not see a reason why, in the smaller towns in the kingdom, the Noble Lord did not retain some nearly on a level with the scot and lot voters.—(Hear, bear.) The Noble Lord said this was liable to abuse. That might be the case in large towns, bat in small towns the scot and lot voters were more creditable than the 10/. householders. He (Sir R. Peel) would admit a more extensive right of voting. He did not believe that if they were to give a constituency of 400 to 500 leaseholders, paying church -rate, and poor rate, and assessed taxes, a more discreditable constituency would be created than by the present Bill ; but, on the contrary, it would continue that link of connexion which united the lower class of householders with the higher. With respect to the large towns, which were to be en franchised for the first time, he was not prepared to say that 101. or lb/. or 20!. was a proper qualification ; but he bitterly lamented that Government did not take snore time than six weeks to consider the measure—(Hear)—they ought to hare taken six months to consider the nature of the Reform they were about to introduce. In the cases of Birmingham and Leeds, for example, he saw no objection to the proposal of the Hon. Member for Thetford (Mr. Baring), of taking 4,000 or 5,000 of the highest rated persons as voters ; because Parliament was about to create something de noro, and was, therefore, at liberty to create a new qualification. So much for the principle. But he had an equal objection to the manner of determining the right of voting of the 10/. electors. They were going to give a direct interest to the landlord, to take away had from tenants in order to make 20/. qualifications. The difficulty of determining the right of voting would be found to be so great, that he was convinced it would be necessary to reconsider the qualification and to appoint some other. He held in his hand a return of the numbers of 10/. houses, and he referred to the place he represented, Tamworth. His Majesty's Ministers had asked the number of 101. houses in that small borough, the circumstances of which were well-known. They bad applied to two persons, the town clerk and the church warden ; and in that small borough the variation of these two authorities was amusing. The churchwarden, said the number was 202, and the town-clerk said the number was 325.—(Laughter and cheers from the Opposition.) In this small borough, containing 729 houses, after ample time had been given to make the return, and both the in dividuals he had mentioned being intelligent persons, here Akan this discrepancy. The fact was, the town clerk had returned from the poors' rat• ; the churchwarden from the church rate. But consider the difficulty of a stranger going down and making a return after two days' residence. --(Hear.) He would stake his reputation that the case he was about to mention occurred within a fortnight, and without any reference to the subject of Reform. A ques tion arose whether or not a certain party had gained a settlement by inhabiting a 101. house, and the point was whether it was a 101. house or not. The inquiry lasted two days; witnesses were examined, fourteen Magis- t• ) 'niter • • I • .. :rates were present, and after 1 ‘ ..eanogr t? .;,...044. A Counsel, seven Magistrates were of "*l4;r l l.i. 1 house was worth 101., and seven were or . it was not.—(Laughter and cheers.) No- 4111!..,. claimed a right of voting, was it likely ther, 71, less litigation? The Jury Bill raised another qQal - 0 ,,. Under this Bill there were two qualifications: that of a householder paying poor rates, orloccupying a house with 15 windows. There was a difference between the quali fication under the Jury Bill and under this Bill. If the value of a 101. house were to be determined, the case must be brought before the barrister, and evidence must be beard. Here it was quite plain that the encouragement to incur expence was enormous.—(Hear, hear.) Power was given to summon, as a witness, any individual at any distance, and that individual was to receive his viaticum. Suppose that the claimant was in Cornwall, and the witness in London, this viaticum must be tendered to him, in order, if he refused, that his refusal might be made the ground for legal proceedings. This was not the only source of complaint. The expenses thus incurred were not small ; but let it be observed above all, that they were annual ex penses.—(Hear, hear.) And by whom were they to be defrayed? By the small oligarchy of 101. householders, who wished to establish the right of suffrage? No, nt,t by them, but by all the inhabitants—(Hear, hear)—even by the poor common scot-and-lot voters.—(Hear, hear.) He earnestly implored the House to pause before they consented to throw such a heavy burden on the poor rates.—(" Hear, hear. ) Lord J. RUSSELL said, the principal ohjcc:ion of the Right Hon. Baronet was, that there was too great a va riety, instead of there being a general uniformity, of suf frage ; and that the right of suffrage, instead of being low in the small towns and higher in the large towns, was on the contrary, too high i❑ the small towns and too Law in the large towns. This the Right Hon. Gentleman con sidered to be a great defect. Now he (Lord J. Russell) contended, on the other hand, that if they had made the right low i❑ the small boroughs, and higher in the large towns, the system would be much worse, and must of necessity be mischievous to the principles of practical Re form. Let the House, in the first place, take the smaller boroughs. There was no one acquainted with the elec tions in this country who would nut admit, that boroughs where the system of voting by scot and lot prevailed were exceedingly corrupt, and were the most disgraceful blots that existed in the representation.—(Hear, bear.) In two or three of these boroughs a constituency was to be found of so wretched a character, that they were always ready to receive 20 or 25 guineas, as the price of their suffrages. —(Bear, hear.) Therefore, when they were allowed to send representatives to Parliament, it was deemed neces sary that their suffrages should be founded en something above that which was merely nominal.—(Hear, hear.) It was considered just and wise, that men possessing the elec tive franchise should be above the temptation of a bribe. —(Hear, hear.) Then let them take the larger towns, and consider whether any good reason existed for raising the right of suffrage higher with respect to them. The Right lion. Baronet stated, and stated truly, that the scot and lot system brought a great number of the lower sort of voters more immediately in contact with the Const itution, which he viewed as a circumstance of great impor tance. But he thought that the Right Hon. Baronet was mistaken in his application of the just and equitable prin ciple on which his argument was founded. This lower description of voters had little knowledge of political tights and paid not much attentioq to them ; but those who really considered these subjects were to he found in that great and numerous class of tradesmen and artisans who inhabited large towns. They took an interest in political questions, and they would select men to represent their in terests and to support the interests of the country in Par liament. Now if the Right lion. Baronet's suggestion were followed, it would let in the suffrages of voters in small boroughs, who took no interest, or scarcely any in terest, in political matters, and it would keep out the suf frages of those who really did take an interest in them.— (Hear, hear.) In both respects, by making the right of suffrage lower in the small boroughs, and higher in the great towns, they would injure the Bill; and in both re spects they would injure the constituency of the country. —(Hear, hear.) The Right lion. Baronet had stated fairly the objections which might be raised against taking value as the criterion of the right of suffrage. On that point he should only say, that if any mode could be devised by which the right of suffrage could be ascer tained without trouble, inconvenience, or expense, he would moat readily adopt it ; but until such a mode was discovered, he would adhere to that which the Bill contained as being, under all circumstances, meet decidedly the best. If the right of voting were to be decided by rate, it would not answer : because rating was very different in different places. In some places, a house was rated on the value of 101. a-year, which was barely worth that amount; whilst in others the same rate was affixed to a house worth 501. or 601. a-year. But it was perfectly evident that there was no way of framing a clause free from objection if they admitted value at all as the criterion. He, however, saw no mode less objectionable than that which was proposed. With respect to the pro ceedings before the barrister, he believed the Right lion. Baronet would find that they were not to be defrayed out of the poor -rate. Sir C. WETHERELL said there was no part of the Bill which, in his (Sir C. Wetherell's) opinion was more objectionable than this clause, and neither the taunts of the worthy Alderman, nor the sneers of all the Aldermanic body of the city of London, should prevent him from doing his duty. Sir R. PEEL, in explanation as to what he had said as to the expense which would be produced by the Bill, referred to clause 55, which he said showed that a great annual expense would be occasioned by it, and which ex pense he apprehended would be thrown altogether in the • poor rates• He should like to know who was to b ear t h e expense in the case of summoning witnesses, and whether it would not fall on the county rates ? Lord ALTIIORP said that the expense of summoning witnesses would not be thrown on the country or the poor rates, but that the intention of the Bill was that it should be borne by the parties themselves for whose benefit they were summoned, and who would hare to tender the viati cum, as was the case under similar circumstances at present. In the course of this discussion the motion which had been made by the Hon. Member for Preston appeared to be altogether lost sight of. Now he thought that it would be better and mere convenient to dispose of that motion in the first instance, before they should proceed further with the discussion on this clause.--(Hear, hear.) With regard to that Hon. Member's motion, he might observe that it was not one that the Committee were at all likely to ac cede to, and he therefore hoped that the Hon. Member would excuse him from going into any of the arguments which might be offered against such a motion, as such arguments were not necessary, seeing that the Members had made up their minds on the subject. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman opposite had said that there was four tests of value in the last Bill, and there was only one to be found in the present. But though there was only one particular specific in the present Bill, the others still re mained, and could be had recourse to for the purpose of testing value where they should be deemed necessary. Mr. SADLER rose amid cries of " Divide, divide." n fo i f r o m rin bad i principle fra :c h. ;ru b e e n i saido of the in this B people ill o f , and The r t e h a w t a w s a o s ne the un u i England. According to calculations which he bad made, 20,000,000 of the people of England—such were the words of the Hon. Member—.would, under this Bill, be left without an actual or a virtual representation. lie would maintain that the 101. clause would not satisfy the people of England. Mr. Alderman WAITHMAN said that the Hon. and Learned Member for Borougbbridge was always exceed ingly ready to be facetious at the expense of the Aldermen of the city of London. He (Alderman Weidman) did not know whether the Recorder of Bristol was an Alder man, but of this, at all events, he was quite certain, that the Aldermen of the city of London maintained their ground as well as the Aldermen of Bristol—(Much laugh ter)—and that some of them, at least, were as skilled in horsemanship as any amongst the civic dignitaries of that now unfortunately too celebrated place.—(Roars of laugh ter.) He had always done his duty towards the large body of constituents that he represented, and be should be always ready to defend his conduct against the uncalled for attacks of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, who, though he talked to him (Alderman Waithman) about his facing his constituents at the hustings, had probably never seen the semblance of a hustings, and yet who took up more time of that House than any other Hon. Member in it, in talking absolute and downright nonsense.—(Great laughter.) Mr. ARTHUR TREVOR said, that the more he saw of this Bill, the more he was convinced that the effects of it would be to engender the deepest disappointment throughout the country. The Committee then divided, when the numbers were— For the amendment Against it Majority -279 and O ' n ' s On their partially subsiding, G ou o r o r n et ,, u , r e n on to tin th ued e gallery the e t e h r e y cr e i o e L o d f era " bl A e d3 . l o ,e u r r io n d , " . Mr.:EVELYN DENISON mats, but, from the buzz and conversation in the House, was scarcelyderetood him to say, that although it tnig audible. to decide on the merits of the whole clause that night, yet that perhaps the motion of which he had given notice a hn t t sh. he p ‘t o re s, :i b n ie - might be discussed. It was "to introduce provisions by is Ig