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Government received any authentic copy of the Ukase issued by the Emperor of Russia; in which he claimed to himself do minion over the North-west, coast of America and the North east coast of Asia ? And, secondly, if they had, whether they had taken any measures to protect British navigation from,such extravagant and preposterous pretensions ? The Marquis of LONDONDERRY replied to the ques tions, but in a very low tone of voice. We understood him to • say, that he had received a copy of that Ukase soon after it was issued. , As soon as his ,Majesty's Government had•received it, they lost no time before they sent a note to the Russian Am bassador in this country, declaring that they-could not accede either to the'elains of sovereignty, or the principle of maritime law laid down in 3t.—(Heat, hear!)—.fit the same time they offered to enter into an amicable negociation on the subject, to prevent any misunderstanding arising between the subjects of the two poteecs. - '• CONDEMNATION OF A BRITISH' VESSEL IN A SPA NISH PRIZE COURT. Sir J. MACKIN TOSH then said, that he had another ques tion to put - to the Noble Marquis upon another incident that af fected the lawful navigation of British subjects. The House must have heard of a -recent decree of .the Spanish Court of Admiralty at Porto Rico, by which a British vessel, trafficking with Buenos Ayres, had been condemned as good prize on ac count of an alleged contravention Of the fiscal and colonial laws of that country. Now, though he was convinced that by na tional law no state had right to detain vessels as prize which were trading with temtories over which she claimed dominion, but of which she had not possession, ,still he did not-know of any other mode of checking the practice which Spain had re cently adopted than by recognizing at once the independence of the territories which she considered as colonies dependent on her. He wished to ask of the Noble Marquis—first, whether he had received any information of the condemnation of a Bri tish vessel at Porto Rico for a pretended contravention of the law of Spain in trading with the Spanish colonies ; and, se -condly, if he had, whether he had taken any measures to pre vent the repetition of a similar injury in future ? The Marys LONDONDERRY had' no recollection of ever having eatd of such an occurrence before. Perhaps, if the Hon. M mber would mention the name of the vessel, it might bring the circumstance to his mind ; but at present he had no recollection of any thing at all like it. He had not, to the • best of his knowledge, received any information of the fact; and if it had occurred, would he obliged to any Honourable Member who would make him acquainted with the particulars of it.—(Hear.) Dr. LUSHINGTON said, that the name of the vessel was the Lord Collingwood—that he had himself seen the decree of condemnation—and that if the Noble Marquis would permit him, he would forward a copy of it to him for perusal. In con sequence of this decree, the insurances to that part of the globe had risen from 30s. to 70s. per cent. ' The Marquis of LONDONDERRY repeated, that the do cument in question had never been in his possession. He should however, be glad to peruse it. - EXTENTS IN AID. Mr. IV. SMITH moved the printing of the Order made on •Saturday last by the Court of Exchequer, relative to the law as it now stood on the subject of Extents in Aid. After a few observations from the ATTORNEY GENERAL, - the motion was agreed to. COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY. On the question being put,' that the House do resolve itself into a Committee of the whole House, to consider further of the supply to be granted to his Majesty, Mr. BERNAL said, that he would take that opportunity of asking, the Right Hon. Secretary for Ireland, what was the ob ject of the Committee for which the Orders of the Day informed him that he intended to move, upon the distress unfortunately now prevailing among 580,000 of our fellow subjects in Ireland ? Mr. GOULBURN•replied, that the object of the Committee was to enable the Government to afford immediate relief to the suffering and distressed poor of Ireland. He was happy to say that the result of the measures which the Government had •already adopted, had been of the most consoling and satisfac tory nature. The accounts which he had that morning receiv ed from those parts of tie country which were most distress. ed, were more satisfactory than he could have ventured to • anticipate some days ago, and led him to believe that the sub scriptions of the benevolent, aided by the exertions of Govern ment, would carry the people of Ireland through all their dif ficulties--if notavithout suffering, at least with less • suffering than had originally been expected. Mr. D. BROWNE stated it as an extraordinary circuit]. :stance, that though the people of Ireland were starving, provi sions were never more abundant or more cheap. He did not understand how this could be ; there must be some mystery or exaggeration about it that he could not penetrate. Ile saw a _monstrous export going from Ireland at the very moment that its poPulation was starving. Mr. V. FITZGERALD was surprised that his Hon. Friend -(Mr. D. Browne) should come forward to state that the ac ceunts of the distress in Ireland were exaggerated. He con tended at some length that they were not so, and instanced se veral cases of distress with which the public is already acquaint. ed. He was afraid, notwithstanding the sanguine anticipations of his Right Hon. Friend the Secretary for Ireland, that the distress was still so great that-the funds of charity would be in effectual to relieve it. Sir JOHN NEWPORT said, that those who were Inca , pable of labour ought unquestionably to have whatever support could be afforded them, and those who were capable of working 'ought toliave all possible means extended to them of earning a subsistence. Ile stated this from a desire that it should not be understood he was so callous to any adherence to principles of political economy, as to permit them to contravene those feel logs which humanity had dictated for the provision of the peo ple, situate as Ireland now was.—( Hear.) Mr. VILLIERS hoped that nothing would fall from any ' lion. Member calculated to throw a damp upOn the liberal con tributions now making for the sufferers in Ireland, and for which cvery post allowed the ieevitable necessity.—(Hear.) Mr. D. BROWNE explained.—Here the conversation .dropped. THE SCOTTISH MONUMENT. Lord BINNING moved that the petition for a grant for the National Monument of Scotland be referred 'to the Committee of Supply. Mr. HUME desired to know why some other opportunity 'could not be taken for propoSing such a grant ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXC-HEQUER replied, that at naturally belonged to the business of a Committee of Supply. Sir R. WILSON said, that the petition could not be re ferred to the• Committee, as it contained an erroneous state ment of the funds applicable to the building of churches. Lord BINNING said, that the petition was correct in al luding to the. circumstance of a sum having been voted for building churches in Scotland, although that sum had not since been raised or appropriated. , Mr. BENNET objected altogether to the, mode taken by the Noble Lord to introduce this business. It was true a sum had been voted for building churches, but that was very dis tinct from any grant for a national monument in Scotland. A. distinction ought certainly to be drawn between the one pur pose and the other, and an estimate of the difference of expense 'between the erection of a church and a monument ought to precede the consideration of this grant.-a( Hear.!) Sir. HUDSON GURNEY thought it preposterous to vote 100,0001. to put upon Calton-hill a meagre, poor, and miser able imitation of the Parthenon at Athens.—(Hear !) Lord BINNING said, that the question was not now whit 'the style of the monument should be, but whether the Petition should be referred to a Committee. Sir R. WILSON said, it was very material to know the dif ference of expense between the Church and the imitation of the Parthenon. Mr. HUME said, that' he, should unquestionably oppose the reference of the. Petition to a Committee, without further infor mation. This was not the time for a hasty appropriation of the public money. • Lord BINNING expressed his astonishment at the novel • course which had been taken on the present occasion. Ilis mo tion was not for a grant of money without inquiry; but that the petition be referred to the Committee. He had only now to withdraw his motion, and let it stand as a notice for the next suppl y day. Sir./. MACKINTOSH observed, that the Noble Lord need not be surprised at the desire merely to discuss his proposition. ALTERATION IN THE CURRENCY. On the question that the House do resolve itself into a Corn mitte of Supply, Mr. WESTERN rose to call the attention of the House to certain 'Resolutions which he had already prepared for their tonsideration. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY rose to order, and begged to submit to the Hon. Member's own judgment whe ther the course he was about to pursue was not contrary to the usage of Parliament.—(Hear!)—He did not mean to contro vert the lion. Member's right to introduce any motion without notice; but to submit to him the impossibility of discussing his -question in the absence of a single paper connected with so ex tensive and important a subject—one which no human being was this night prepared to meet. The army extraordinaries was the regular question expected for the night, and he trusted the Hon. I'vlember would see the propriety of not interposing under such circumstances, and would rather give notice for an early day, when he could regularly introduce his Restolu tions.—( n ear !) Mr. WESTERN said that he was most ready to facilitate rather than retard the public , business. He knew that it was usual td precede a motion by a notice, and conformably to that -usage he had had his resolutions printed, and a formal notice given a fortnight ago for a discussion upon them. On Wednes •du y last, however, (the day of his notice) there was no House. Without supposing that influence was exerted to prevent a suf ifficierit.attendance of Members on that day, he might yet be Terriiitted to say that it was - unreasonable, at this period of the Session, to expect he would give another fortnight's notice an tecedent to the discussion upon his Resolutions. He saw no open day earlier than the 16th, and, not meaning to pottpone the question so long, he took the present, which lie deemed a pro per opportunity far introducing the subject. If the Noble Marquis would yield him an early Order Day, suppose Mon, day next, he should,abstain at the present moment from press ing his motion. . The Marquis of LONDON 4 DERRY suggested Wednesday next as a more convenient day. - Mr. HUME said he had a motion on that day, which would have precedence. Mr. WILMOT consented to postpone his motion respecting the trade of Canada, from Tuesday until Friday next ; and Mr. Western's motion was fixed for Tuesday next. The House then resolved itself into a Committee. ARMY EXTRAORDINA RIES. Mr. ARBUTHNOT said the first Vote to which he shotild draw the attention of the Committee, was that which related to the Army Extriordinaries. This Vote was originally con fined to a statement of the Bills drawn upon this country by our establishment abroad ; but he had last Session pro mised that the accounts in future should be more detailed ; and he trusted the Committee would be opinion that he had now redeemed his pledge. The sum , actually expended last year under this head was 1,050,0001. A vote of a million only had been taken to meet it ; hut it was to be ob served that, when that vote was taken, ,there was a ba lance in hand applicable to this branch of the expenditure of 170,0001. After some deductions, the "particulars of which were given in the Estimates, it would be seen that there was a balance now in hand of 100,0001. For the service of the pre sent year he should not have occasion to call for so large a vote as that of the last Session, as he intended to move for only 700,0001. In the former votes were included a sum 0f200,0001. for each year, for the service of the East India Company ; though this was always repaid by the Company,! yet new ar rangements had been made, which rendered it unnecessary any longer to call, in the first instance, for this vote on the public credit: It followed, therefore, that the actual reduction in this rear's vote was 100,0001. i • but when the difference of the balance was taken into calculation, be was fairly entitled to call it 170,0001. At present he should not enter into any de tailed explanation . as the account was before the Committee; but he should be itappy to answer any question, and -togive any explanation necessary for the satisfaction of the Committee. The Right Hon, Member concluded by moving a Resolution for 700,0001. for the Army Extraordinaries. Mr. HUME admitted. that the estimate came before the Committee in a ~very improved state ; but the circumstances it disclosed shewed, 'in his opinion, that further improvement was still practicable. The present vote ought to be for that which could not come under any particular head of expense. It was principally for the difference between the revenue and the expenditure of the colonies, and therefore the particulars of the revenue ought to be given. The house in this respect had not its usual constitutional controul over the money which it voted. The money was expended under the controul of the Council; but this was not the proper mode of expending it; he believed it was one which the House, when it voted the mo ney, never intended to sanction. ' At Malta and the Cape, for instance, enormous establishments were kept up; anti these were paid for by Bills drawn in sums sometimes of 100,0001.. each, without any account (at least without any which came before the House) of the items composing that sum. He should propose the entire abolition of one branch of this enormous menet he'meant the Colonial Agency. The Right Hon. Gentleman who- held the office of Commissioner of Woods and Forests, held an office of 1,2001. a-year, as Agent for Ceylon. The duties of these Colonial Agents, as they appeared by the Returns on the table, were very trifling ; one of them was to provide and send out to , the colony such articles as were necessary for the public service. This might be easily performed by the Commissariat. These colonial agencies were useless offices ; he was determin ed to oppose their continuance, as it was *perfect mockery to keep tip offices, the duties of which might be performed by other departments. They led to multiplicity of accounts, and to the accumulation of large balances in the hands of the pub lic officers, which was inconvenient and dangerous to the pub lic service. But, independent of this, the charges themselves were, in his opinion, considerably too high. The lowest an pointinent, he believed, was 5001. a-year. If, however, all tfie accounts were distinctly laid before the House, he should ob ject to many other appointments. lie should object, for in stance, to the appointment of eight inspectors of Militia for the lonian islands, where, he understood, there was no militia to inspect; the people having been disarmed by the Governor. These inspectors were each paid 3831. a-year. The Noble Marquis had stated, that every unnecessary expence had been reduced ; and he (Mr. flume) should be much grati fied to hear him . state what was the necessity for keeping up these offices. In the sarhe manner he would beg the atten tion of the Committee to the expences incurred at the Cape of Good Hope. The allowance originally made to the Governor was but 1,1001. ; now it was nominally 10,0001. a-year ; but in fact it could not be taken at less than 25,0001. a-year, if the large establishments allowed to the Governor were taken into the calculation. Ile had a Colonial Secretary at 3,5001. a-year ; another Secretary at 1,5001. a-year (who held other Offices be sides) and several subordinate Officers ; and all this in a Co lony, the revenue of which is not more than 116,0001. a-year. Surely, if we paid the excess of expenditure, we ought to have the particulars of the revenue. But in this Colony there was an Auditor of 1,0001. a-year ; a Pest Captain at 5001., a Comp troller at 1,0001.; in short, the Establishment was as long as a tailor's bill. The whole revenue was frittered away in al lowances of this description; nine or ten thousand pounds might be saved in the expences at the Cape alene. At the Mau ritius the expences were almost as much as those at the Cape ; and yet the revenue was but 164,0001. which, however, was enough to meet the expences, if the Colony were well ar ranged. There was .considerable loss sustained from public defaulters; an instance of which was to be found in this very Colony in the case of Theodore Hooke, whose de falcation ought to be made good by Ministers, as they had neglected their ditty in not taking security for the faithful performance of his trust. There was at this colony the usual expence of auditor and deputy, a paymaster at 1,6001. a-year, an assistant at 5001. and clerks with proportionate salaries.— The expellee, however, did not stop here; for there was a col lector of the inland revenue at 1,5001. a-year (with an allow ance of two and a half per cent. on the sums he collected,) a civil engineer, with an assistant, &c. There had been much clamour made about the reduction of a• few clerks, at small salaries.; but this shewed a disposition to economise by trifles, and to expend by whoksale. He recommended the Cominit tee to reduce the present vote by 100,0001., and leave Ministets to effect the necessary reductions. The Honourable Member then referred to the expence incurred for Jamaic , , , the Cape, Gibraltar, Sierra Leone, and Heligoland, which, he contended, were - on too large a scale. He then adverted to the expellee incurred for Canada, which, he said, ought to maintain its own Staff'. The expence for'the Staff was 10,4961., and 10,3921. for the Commissariat. The circunistance of the Commissariat cost ing almost as much as the Staff was unprecedented. There was a charge too, he observed, of 'no less Than 5,9001. for, postage. He had lately seen some one from Berbice, who assured him that-one half of the Staff might be dispensed with, and one-half of the Commissariat was totally unnecessary. H e contended,th ere fore4 that if there were a real desire to economise the public money, reductions would have been made in this quarter. He was convinced that if the proper reductions were made, with proper management, 500,0001. instead of 700,0001., would be, quite enough for the Colonies. Having disposed of the Colo nies, he begged to direct the attention of the Right-Hon. Se cretary to the extravagant expenditure of public money in Jersey and Guernsey. For those islands there' was a charge in the Estimates of 61301. which certainly was too much.- He maintained that the House ought to have regular and separate Estimates for these Islands, with their Revenue fairly put down. He should like to know from the Chancellor of the Exchequer what was the meaning of the charge of 9001. for the management of a Dutch Loan. .He did not know what we had to do with taking on ourselves the payment of the interest of this Loan, which he really believed was originally raised for carrying on war against this country. The -Hon. Member complained of the classification of the different items of expen diture comprised in these estimates. Many items that appeared in them ought properly to have appeared in the ordinary esti, mates ; and no doubt the object of placing them as they were was that votes might be taken for the same charge in both the ordinaries and extraordinaries. He wished to see the whole of our West India Colonies placed upon a more liberal footing.— If the British Constitution were fully and fairly administered to them, they would be found to thrive more than at present, and be better able to support themselves. He did not intend to move at once for that reduction in the whole vote which lie thought would be justifiable, but until lie knew if there wore a disposition on the part of Honourable Members to support him, he should content himself with moving to diminish the vote to a small amount. The reduction he wished to make was in the exorbitant salaries paid to Colonial Agents, whose duties were few and unimportant; compared with what they received for undertaking them. The rates to which he desired to reduce the different Agents were aa' follow :-.;:The Agent for Ceylon, 1,2001., Cape of Gdocl Hope 6001., Malta 6001., the Miuritius .5001., the lonian Islands 5001. This would make a deduction from the original vote of nearly 60001. and he moved therefore, as an amendment ? that the vote be 694,0231. in place of 700,0001. Mr. BARHAM wished to know what the Hon. Member meant by placing some of the 'West India Colonies on a more liberal footing. If he meant that these Colonies should take greater share of expence on themselves, he begged to say that they were in that state of depression as to be totally incapable of supporting heavier burdens than those they had at present to contend against,•and they had already. deelared so to his Ma jesty's Government. .11.1 r. HUME said he adverted to the maintenance of Detne raita and Trinidad, which cost much money, which he contended Would be better employed in being used towards the support of the rest of the' West India Coloni(s He wished to see Her bice,• ,Demerara,: and Trinidad with the same government as the other islands. Mr. BARHAM could not see how the principles of the Bri tish Constitution, being extended to Trinidad according to the lion. MeMber's motion, would put one farthing into the Trea- sury of that island. - Mr. WILMOT bespoke the indulgence of the House whilst he male answer to some of the points adverted to by the Hon. Member for Aberdeen 4 at the same time that he declared his intention of abstaining from following him into. that excursion upon Colonial policy which he could not have thought it possi ble to arise from a question of Army Estimates. Ile must also say that he thought the Hon. Member could not have under stood the question before the Committee when he proposed an amendment upon a subject in no way connected with it, which he (Mr. Wilmot) maintained the subject of colonial agents was not with a motion for Army. , Extraordinaries. So much he would say with regard to the Hon. Member's views of colonial policy, that the value of the Cape of Good Hope, the Mauri tius, and Ceylon, was to be estimated to a certain extent by their political importance, and the actual amount of power their possession conferred upon this country. To the Honour able Member, however, who left this consideration entirely out of his calculation, reducing all, to a balance of expenditure and loss, it was not possible to answer or argue against upon equal terms. But upon mere commercial estimation, without any attention to political importance or military power, he, might perhaps be disposed to agree in the view taken by the Honourable Member. With respect to the measure in which the Hon. Member had analysed the accompts, if he said that 364,0001. was a dead weight upon this country for the colonies, he shouid answer him by . shewing that he had committed a mis take in no less a proportion of that sum than 287,2001.—(Hear, hear !)—To prove this he required nothing more than to point out that the Hon. Member had arrayed the whole amount of expenditure of the Colonies as a dead charge upon this coun try, making no allowance for the sums this country received from those colonies. He, therefore, believed there would be no hesitation in admitting that this was the fair, equitable way of stating the question.--'-(Hear, hear !)—lf he estimated these, he would find that they amounted to 287,2001. a sum which the country would never have received without the pos session of the Colonies in question. So that they had furnished so much of the money expended upon them, leaving the re mainder only chargeable as a dead weight—(Hear, hear !) With respect to the amount of the. Colonial salaries inveighed against by the Hon. Member, it was the declared intention of his Majesty's Government to send out Commissioners of In quiry to the Mauritius, 'Ceylon, and other parts ; ,and in the meantime he thought they were justified in waiting the result, instead of acting upon the exclamations of the Hon. Member as to this and that charge and item. But it must be taken into account that persons could not be found to go out to these places without adequate remuneration. The Hon. Iliember's notion of disposing of responsible appointments and dudes something in the way of a Dutch auction,' reminded him of a man that . he had himself heard going about. during the riots at Stock port, declaring that he knew a man who was ready to take the place of Chancellor of the Exchequer for no more than half , a-guinea week.—(A laugh.)—He must say that be was of opi nion with the Honourable Gentleman opposite (Mr. Barham) that the extension of the British Constitution to Berbice 'or Trinidad would have no talismanic effect upon the treasuries of those places expected by - the Hon. Member. He hoped to see the whole of the British colonies in the course of time assimi lated to Great Britain in government as well as manners and principles ; but it must be a work of time. He must say, that I he thought much of that eonbiny which the Hon. Member for Aberdeen thouht possible would, if attempted, be found in compatible with the maintenance of our colonies in that state of power and dignity necessary to their utility as. British pos sessions. If the Honourable Member would meet him upon that ground, he should be ready to answer him ; but he must take exceptien to the nature of the amendment moved upon a motion which had nothing in common with the amendment ; and which he was sure the House would not sanction.—(Hear, hear !)—With regard to the colonial agents, he begged leave to say, that, notwithstanding the Hon. Member's notions on the subject, there was not a more useful or important class of in dividuals. Mr. ARBUTHNOT said, that after the able answer which had been given .by his lion. Friend, he would not trespass on the time of the House; but he could not forbear from advert ing to the misrepresentations of the Honourable Member for Aberdeen, of what had fallen from his HonOurable Friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer, on his introducing the Budget to the notice of the House. Ile was enabled to state, from conversations which he had had with him before lie had enter ed the House, and since, that he never meant to say that the Estimates of the present year were to suffer no reduction in ensuing years. On the contrary, it was certain that reduc tions would be made next year.—(Hear, hear !)—And his Right Hon. Friend had merely taken the estimates of the pre sent year only as data for his calculations. lie assured the 'Committee that not one shilling had been paid to the Commis sariat which had not b ee n vo t e d by th e House. IVith regard to Canada, he assured the Bon. Member, that the stations there were extensive, and that works were in progress, upon &plan firmed ever since the pe a ce, to r e nd er th e w h o l e Canadian fron tier impregnable, and easy to be defended, which would create a considerable saving when finished, although at present they might be considered expensive. Colonel DAVIES thought that whatever might be the poli tical importance of our Colonies, it could not justify the unne cessary expence of one shilling. He should certainly give his cordial support to his Hon. Friend's amendment. Sir R. 'WILSON said, that if they were to judge of the value of the lonian Islands from their political importance,•heshould say that we had gained a loss--that they were the worst acquisi tion we had ever made, and if we did not soon change our po sition in that quarter, we should find it the sink of our wealth, and the grave of our army. Mr. (..401.3.8URN said ,he should always be ready to enter into a fair discussion relative to the lonian Islands ; but he could rot, upon a question of this kind, be led away by any such discussion. Mr. G. BENNET said he had listened with considerable attention to the speech of his Honourable Friend (Mr. flume),, and the reply which had been given to it, and he confessed, he was unable to discover any just grounds upon which these officers should be continued. He should like exceedingly to know the full expence of the different establishments of clerks who were engaged under-these agents, the quantity of pens, ink, and paper they consumed, and the duties they had to perform. When a Right Hon. Gentleman, not now in his place (Mr. Canning), came down to that House and made his flourishing speech on the duties of the Board of Control, he stated that all the la borious duties of the affair of India devolved upon the secretary ; he should like then to know, what portion of. time this same secretary could devote to the management of the affairs bf the Cape, for which he received a salary of 6001: a year. If all these offices were measured according to the effective service 'which they performed, it would he found that their salaries were much too large. The Hon. Gentleman then adverted to the abuses which were practised in these Co lonies. He could mention one Governor of the Mauritius who could point out strong reasons for a reform of the vile practices which were carried on. The Right Hon. Gentleman opposite knew well to whom he had alluded, for he was the person who detected Mr. Theodore Hook, the gentleman who had robbed the public of 8 or 9,0001. Mr. GOULBURN protested against the course which the Hon. Gentleman had pursued. Ile never could admit that there was any man in the country not worth defending, and while he had a voice, and the power to raise it, he should never sit by and hear the character of any man, whether in the Colonies, in Ireland, or Great Britain, attacked, without coming forward to give him that protection to which he was entitled. Mr. HUSKISSON did not expect that the management of the office which he so unworthily filled could form any piirt of the discussion on the Army Extraordinaries. It was always painful to him to speak of himself, but he could tell that Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Hume) that the inhabitants of Ceylon had expressed, in the strongest terms, their approbation of some trifling services which he had occasion to render them. He inentioned this circumstance for the purpose of shewitig the feeling they entertained of the necessity of maintaining some connexion between the local government there and the government of this country. He was somewhat surprised that the Hon. Gentleman, who had so long been in India, and was now enjoying the fruits of his labours, should return to Europe ,and animadvert upon all the institutions of the country, ex cept that under which lie raised all his independence and for tune. Mr. T. COURTENAY said, if the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Bennet) supposed that he (Mr. C.) had not active duties to perform, he laboured under a very great mistake. He could shew letters which he had received from Cape, which stated tlit they attributed a great share of their happiness to his exertions. No man had more laborious duties to perform, and unfortunately 'such were his circumstances and weight of business, that he was compelled to devote to the duties of his station those periods which other official men spent in dissipa tion and pleasure.—(A laugh). Mr. THOMAS WILSON defended the necessity of main taining a close connection between these Colonies and the Go vernment at home. _ _ _ said, he under Stood that the revenues of' these Colonies could, if p r operly managed, be made not only ,to defray the expence of maintaining them, but a surplus would be returned back to this country., Mr. BROUGHAM said, that no answer had been given to the inquiriessbf his Hon. Friend, The expences of the agent and establishment of clerks were, he presumed, paid out of the revenues of the Colonies.—(" No," from the opposite side.) — Oh ! then they are not.—(" No," repeated.)-011! then they are.—(" No, no," from the opposite side.)—Oh ! then, they are and they are nt;:..—(Mtich laughter.)—But- he conceived in whatever way they were disposed of, it was the duty of these official Gentlemen to - give some explanation. Now, with respect to the agents of these Colonies in this country, he had no doubt their salaries were not overpaid, but that they were worth the money. He understood they acted in the capacity of a friend at Court, and they wer e th e persons to interfere with the Government on behalf of the Co lonies, and he thought, the Colonies had been most judicious in their selection of officers to perform the great work of so licitation. Mr. HUME stated, that the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Huskisson) was greatly 'mistaken, if lie supposed that the esta blishments in India paid their servants as liberally as the public servants in this country were remunerated. He (Mr. Hume) had served much longer than either the Right Hon. Gentleman or the Irish Secretary (Mr. Goulburn), and he did not receive one shilling pension. Strangers were ordered to withdraw, and the Committee divided, when there appeared for the Amendment-- Ayes - - - 55 Noes - - - - 82 Majority . —27 The Estimate was consequently agreed to. Mr. A'RBUTHNOT then proposed a vote of 300,0001. for the ordinary charges of the Civil List. Mr. BENNET objected to bringing on the discussion on that head of Service at so late an hour. Mr. HUME said his objection would apply to the expence of Ambassadors. • Mr. ARBUTIINOT, unwilling to press the discussion at that hour, withdrew the estimate. 29,4601. 13s. was then voted to make good the grants for the Service of the year 1821. The sum of 19,000 was then proposed for the pensions, to Toulonese and Corsican Emigrants, Dutch Officers and others, who from special services have a claim on his Majesty's bene volence. Colonel DAVIES objected to this estimate, on the ground that the Emigrants were entitled to support from the House of Bourbon, for which they had fought and lost their all at Toulon in 1793. It was most extraordinary that they did not look to the Bourbons for support. He wished to know on what pretence General Dumourier was a pensioner on this country. It was known that that General gave himself up to General Mack for the purpose of restoring the Bourbons to the throne. The Knights of Malta, also, had no claim oa this country. The Honourable Gentleman moved to reduce the estimate to 4,9391. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER opposed the amendment. The Toulonese Gentlemen who received allow ances were paid for services performed in the British Navy, and not the King of France. They'assisted in bringing away the Fleet from Toulon, and in the capitulation they were to have half-pay in our service. With respect to the veteran Dumou rier, who was past the age of 80 years, he was sure the House would not deprive him of an allowance he had received during the many years he had been under the protection of this coun try. The Knights of Malta were clearly entitled to the allow ance they received. Mr. HUIIIE supported the amendment. Mr. ARBUTHNOT said at the time the Bourbons were restored, every one of the emigrants in this country who had been in the service of the Royal Family of France were pro vided for by the French Government. Col. DAVIES expressed himself satisfied with the explana tions he had received, and withdrew his amendm en t. Th e es timate was then voted. The sum of 21831. was voted for printing 1750 copies of the 76 volumes of the Journals of the House of Commons. The sum of 5,0001. was voted for the expences of the Institu tion, called the Refuge for the Destitute. 25,0001. was proposed for the Caledonian Canal. After some objection from Mr. HUME, the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said this sum would be sufficient to open the canal from sea to sea. Mr. BROUGHAM suggested that an estimate should be made, of what was to be done, before this 25,0001. was ex pended. If the steam-boats had not been discovered, no bene fit would have been derived from the undertaking. Mr. W. SMITH said he should be sorry to see the under taking stop for the proposed sum. The item was then granted. 15,0001. was voted for the works iri Donaghadee Harbour. 50001. for Portpatrick Harbour. 12,0001. for Holyhead Harbour. 1,0001. for outstanding demands and the purchase of houses for the improvement of Westminster. 2,7001. for the expence of new Courts for the Commissioners of Bankrupts. Mr. BROUGHAM suggested the necessity of providing for the Court of King's Bench in Westminster Hall. It was im possible, he said, not to see ,the great inconvenience which the Suitors, and Practitioners of that Court had to endure. He did not wish to have the old bulkheads fitted up in West - . minster Hall, but certainly some arrangement ought to be made until the intended Courts could be erected. The Court of Chancery had been separated two years from the Courts of Common Law, which was also a great inconvenience to practi tioners. The CIANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, h e was aware, othe great inconvenience to which the Hon. and Learned'illember alluded, and he had endeavoured to provide a remedy, but had not been able to succeed. The old Courts• could not be put together without much expence. The old materials were not fit to use. The Right lion. Gent. said he would make further inquiry respecting it. • The above items having been voted, the House resumed, and the Report was ordered to be received on Monday. Upon the motion of Mr. Secretary PEEL, the Report of the Alien Bill was postponed to Wednesday next. The Prison Laws Regulation Bill was read a third time and passed. The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and the House Adjourned at Two o'CLocE to Monday. LIST OF THE MINORITY • OF 25, WHO votEn FOR REDUCING THE EIGHT INSPEC TORS OF THE lONIAN ISLANDS, AND TILE AGENTS FOR CEYLON, &C. Bernal, R. Hobhouse, J. C. Ricardo, D. Brougham, Henry Hume, J. Rickford, Wm. Bennet, H on. H. G. Lu shin gton , Dr. Stuart, Lord J. Baring, A. , Alaberly, .7. Williams, J. Concannon, Lucius Maberly, W. L. Wilson, Sir R. Calcraft, .J. Milbank, M. Wood, Alderman Cradock, Col. Monck, J. B. Warre, J. A. Denman Thos. Palmer, C. F. TELLE R . Grant, I. P. Robinson, Sir Geo. D av i es , Colonel. OLD BAILEY.—(Tai DAY.) HIGHWAY ROBBERY. Eeeas Gl:Ara, aged 16, and llianz Black, aged 17, were indicted for stealing a gold watch, &c. &c. from the person of Mr. Edward Hatfield, on the King's highway. The prosecutor deposed, that as he and his brother were pro ceeding arm in arm down the Hackney road, he suddenly felt his watch go out of his pocket, which he immediately made known - to his brother. John Hatfield stated, that he seized hold of two persons who were near them at the time, one of whom escaped, but he could not identify either of the prisoners. John Attree stated, that he resides in Hackney road, and on his going home on the night stated in the indictment, he heard a cry of. Stop thief!" and saw a gentleman with the prisoner, Black, in custody. The witness picked up the watch which Black threw down, and got away. He pursued him, and never lost sight of the prisoner until he was stopped. Witness had no doubt of his identity. After Black had thrown doivn the watch the first time he took it up again, but finding he was closely pursued he threw it down and the wit ness got possession of it. ' Josiph Gibbon said, that he was passing down the Hackney.. road, and observed a sham fight, and an attempt made to hustle the foot passengers. He saw the prisoner Black seized when he threw away the watch, which the last witness picked up. The Constable produced the watch, and the prosecutor iden tified it as his property. Several witnesses gave Gifford a good character. The Jury, after a few minutes consideration, found Black guilty, and acquitted Gifford. The RECORDER , informed Black that he was an hardened thief, and must expect to leave the Country for life, and advised Gifford to keep better company in future. NEW ARCHBISHOP OF CASHEL.—MSMAJESTY'S Royal Letter was received at Dublin Castle on Tuesday, the 2d instant, appointing Dr. RICHARD LAWRENCE, late Regius Professor of Hebrew in the University of Oxford, Lord Archbishop of Cashel, and Primate of Munster, in Ireland, in the room of the late Right Hon. Dr. C. BRODE.• Rlcx deceased. FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE. PARIS, JLLY 3.—ln the night of the 26th l ilt ' a Russian courier proceeding to Madrid Pass ed through Bayonne. A letter from a merchant of Reus (Cataloni a) d addressed t o a F renc h merc h ant, w hi c h arrive,. yesterday, stat es th a t th e P rov i nce o f Tarragon a was entirely clear e d o f th e i nsurrec ti ona ry band i: which infested it. Battalions of Mountain Chas" seurs were organized to march against th i e l remains of the Army of the Faith, which ha taken refuge, under the orders--of the. TrapPis t9 in the mount a i ns o f C a t a l on i a an d N avarr e. Th e inhabitants of the country, like those of the towns, display much ardour ,in combating th ese bands, consisting of robbers, smugglers, thieves) and vagabonds.—(Constitutionnel.) CASSEL, JUNE 25.—An event equally extract'' , dinary and melancholy took place lately at ti re : bern, three leagu e s f rom h ence . A Protesto r ' Minister shot hi mse lf th roug h th e h e ad in th e pulpit, at th e momen t w h en h e was a b ou t to com' mence his sermon. Thi s un f or t una t e man ha d d for some time i nvo l ve d hi mse lf i n an excess °f which p ro b a bly d erange d his min°. SMYRNA, Mar 15. [Extract of a Private Letter from a Young Greek.] " My Dear Brother,—Prepare yourself oa l reading this letter to summon to your aid al your strength o f m i n d ; th e blow which has str" l ‘ us is so terrible that it required the exertion ° all mine not to succumb under it. This opening alarms you—estimate at once the extent of oo r misfortunes—we have to weep for our c')untrf! the beautiful Scio, in the power of our barbarotP enemies—we have to deplore the loss of our nu merous family. " Of all our relations, my youngest sister ai° - escaped ; by a miracle, owing to the protectinl of a genero us F renc h man , s h e h as b een restore d to my embr a c e s. H ow can I spea k to you of o ur father ? Alas ! this venerable old man now plores the Sup reme B e i ng f or his country, u n for the unf or t una t e c hild ren w h o h ave survive d ; him. The foll o wi ng are th e d e t a il s o f his drea d ful assassination :—You kn ow th a t he and ° a d two brothers, Theodore and Constantine, a n your father-in-law, were amongst 'the hostag e shut up in th e C ast l e O n the B t h i ns t. ; they we at out with the Archbish o p, an d it a ppears th at notwithstanding the promises of the barbarians' they bad been all the time confined in dun geons ; they were placed in two lines, and wer e either hun g or p u t t o d eat h w i t h pro l o nged tor ments. 44 Our father and hi s compan i ons witnes s ed e with tranquillity th e pr eparat i ons f or t h e ir exec - ; tion, and these martyrs to their fidelity did 11° lose their presence of mind for a si ng le instant. - : Our sister Henrietta is a slave / -and I have n° ' yet succeeded in disc o v er i ng t o what country of Asia the infamous ravishers have carried Nor have I yet been able to obtain the least ter 1 r formation resp e cti ng th e f a t e o f ou r dear mot h er and three oth er sist ers ; th e d es ti n y of your w in and her family has also escaped my search I . c a n short, our mi s f or t unes are so grea t that scarcely credit them. yea " On the 11th instant I quitted Seio---sa - ,• by a miracle from the dangers of the most %MP; nary catastrophe, of which any one can form a e idea. But I do not feel that joy which 0 4 might experience on being delivered from the dreadful perils to which I have been exfo ae _, s Hatred and indignati o n against our executionet'h are the only sentim e nts which can hencefor t h dwell in my heart. Tha n k s t o the Bur°Piaao costume which I have adopted, th e captai n ° but English vess e l agree d t o take me on boar' L u rks my dreadful situation interested neither Ise nor Englishmen. The captain of the vu' ec t would not allow me to embark till I had reckon,,„ r out to him 300 piastres, and it was not till 11 . 11 -ti he had examined them one b that I recel v° y one d the from him p erm i ss i on t o se t my foot on boar in 6 vessel, whatever was my danger in rect ill t he longer on board the chaloupe. I have lei' 01 island in ashes. The Turks, after pillag ing d to the houses, set them on fire, and joining sav or fire to demolish them more readily, they o f molished them to the l a st stone, i n the °P e finding concealed treasure. t e en on I " Throughout th e op u l en t S c i o only fit 00r houses are standing, containing our motherh oo st sisters, and our daught ers , re duced to th e foe dreadful slav er y. There the monsters Pr pa s. every thing to gra tify th e i r rage a nd thel e s ol.• sions ; and oft en th e v i rg i ns , whom they h a/ s t he lied by their em b races , rece i ve f rom thenasel ve tea ns death which th e y w i s h f or . All the c ll ,, a le, in which rend e r e d our i s l an d t h e mos t agree 4" r the Mediterranean—our academy—the l ib il ra i c tort the superb edifices of St. Anaigiroso, St• f o rty A o f the Apostles --86 c h urc h es , an d upwar ds ps villages,—have been consumed by the On) . the " The ferocious inc e ndi ar i e s th e n scour ed at no mountains and th e f ores t s and they ar e h th° the 24th village of Mastic. These tigers/ f o res t, sand times more cruel th an th os e of the 1 0 eh have vented that 'hat re d u p on the dea d - t : E nbs/ they bear to th e li v i ng . Th ey opene d the r f a . and threw int o th e s t ree t s th e b on es of e . ll w ere thers, and th e corpses of their own victim s dragged by the feet through the brooks. . 0 the " Every day women o f th e fi rs t families r kets; Island are e x p ose d t o sa l e . i n t h e p u blic i n : va ses articles of great value, such as , the sacr ed to ha of the Greek an d C a th o li c c h urc h e s, and th e biliments of th e p r i es ts, are by these vr t r erv ev sold at a vil e price.—Through the l a vre nch tion of the Ch arge d'Aff a i res of the J: 3 5 Consulate, I have succeeded in purChu sl i. fi a re women, whose names I s e nd you, and w " ° now in safety at the Consulate. is h ave " Since my arrival here the same been renewed every day ; there airlealicsaeristelesfilenso, diamonds, rich pelisses,, jewellery, c stuffs, in short, a ll ki n d s o f valuable a ay for which are in the streets, an d are given 'a‘vben all nothing. How sho u ld it b e otherwise, w t lb t° the inhabitants of Asia / from children °` froc o old men of 80, em b ar k every day for Scio Nire whence they ret urn l a d en w ith our sPV . , s rope a • ns can only return o ur th an ks to the r.'" .11 t hef who reside at S m y rna; th e y have don e could to purchase our women ; but to Parch" N