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.5 • others Were appointea to manage the conferenee on the p u t of the Commons, and departed to the Painted Chamber. On the return of the deputation, Mr. t WART informed the House that the Lords per • tsisted in the amendment which they bad made. Lord ALTHORP said that, under existing circum stances) he would move that the House should agree to the Lords' amendment. The motion was then put and agreed to. 1 30UNDARIES (E . NCiLAND) BILL. . _ _ On the motion of Lord J. RussEr.i.;the Lords' amend ments to this Rill were agreed to. REFORM BILL.—STATE OF IRELAND. On the motion that the House should resolve itself into a Committee• on the Irish Boundaries Bill, Lord - ALTHORP stated; in answer to a question from Sir B. Peel, which was inaudible, that it was intended to hold a Privy Council on Wedneiday, at which the dates contained in the Bnglish 'Worm Bill, relative to registra tion an() notices, would be altered by being fixed a month later. Sir R. PEEL then aske I (as we understood, for amidst the confusion which prevailed it was impossible to hear any thing distinctly), whether Ministers could state when it was probable that Parliament would be dissolved. Lord J. RUSSELL said, that the registration would not be completed until the Ist of December, and if a dis solution took place before that period the registration would be null and void. He would leave the Right lion. Baronet to draw his own inferences from that statement. Mr. HUME called the attention of the Right Hot;;e: cretary for Ireland to the fact, that an Orange lodge had assembled en the Ist instant, in Fermanagh, to arrange measures fer celebrating the 12th of July. It was stated that the Lord Lieutenant of the county presided at this meeting, and that several Magistrates were present. He wished to know whether Government intended to strike the names of those persons out of the commission of the peace? Mr. STANLEY said, that Government had certainly received information that the Orangemen were preparing to celebrate the 12th of July by processions. Govern. ment bad made every arrangement for preserving the pub lic peace, and would mark with proofs of their disappro bation, any persons under their control who should encou rage or attend the processions. Mr. LEFROY wished to know whether Government had received intelligence of the conspiracy which existed in Ireland against Noblemen, Gentlemen, and persons of property? He was informed that gentlemen were unable to procure the assistance of labourers to mow their hay, and that the mail contractors experienced the utmost dif ficulty in finding any persons to harness their horses, or even to give them water. All business appeared to be suspended throughout the country. It was represented that this tyranny was exercised against individuals who had refused to subscribe a wr i t t en pldge not to pay tithes. He begged leave to ask whether Government had received any information upon this subject? - Mr. STANLEY expressed his disapprobation of the tone and manner in which the question had been pro posed. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman, by connect ing bis question, as it were, with that proposed by the Hon. Member for Middlesex, tended to excite animosities and dissension. Government bad undoubtedly received information tbat an extensive combination existed in Ire land to prevent, by intimidation, the payment of tithes. He would add, that in every case in which there ap peared to be a possibility of obtaining a conviction, legal steps had been taken, and several persons who had ren dered themselves prominent at public meetings were already under prosecution. Lord COLE said, it was true that the grand Orange lodge had met in Fermanagh on the Ist instant, and he hoped that they would continue to meet. On that occa sion, however, they dined, but did not wall in procession. He thought, however, that the Hon. Member for Middle sex ought to be tiie last man to object to persons dining, 'or even walking in procession, as the Political Unions did.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. LEFROY expressed his astonishment that the Right Hon. Secretary for Ireland should have attributed unworthy motives to him, merely because, in the discharge if his duty, he had proposed a question upo❑ a subject, which deeply concerned the peace and welfare of Ireland. He hrpcd that in future the Right,Hon. Gentleman would exhibit a greater degree of temper and patience—(Hear, hear)—and that when Members of that House were honesty discharging their duty, he would abstain from that kind of acrimonious accusation in which he was in the habit of indulging.—(Hear, hear.) He would only add, the conduct of the Right Hon. Secretary to him upon the present occasion was not exactly that which should be observed towards a Member of that House. Mr. STANLEY denied that he had imputed any mo tives whatever to the Hon. and Learned Member. He had merely thought his questio❑ would have a tendency to excite feelings of dissension. Sir C. FORBES said, that as this appeared to be a night for putting questions, he would ask whether there was any truth in the report that Ministers intended to throw over the tithe bill, on coru'ition of receiving the support of the Irish Members to the Russian Loan Bill? Colonel PERCEVAL wished to know why the Right Hon. Gentleman did not bring on the Irish Tithe Dill last night ? Mr. STANLEY said that if he brought it on, be should not be allowed to proceed with it at that late hour. Frani the state of business, he feared that he could not bring it on before Friday. Lord INGESTRIL asked why the Bill could not be proceeded with on Wednesday ? No answer having been returned, the Noble Lord re peated the question. . . Lord ALTHORP add that there appeared to be no chance of bringing on the Bill before Friday. Lord INGESTRIE hoped, that when Ireland was in a state of open rebellion, a measure of so much importance, would not be postponed, on account of a Lord Mayor's feast.—(Hear.) The House then resolved itself into a Committee on the Irish Boundaries Bill. The Bill then went through Committee. Report on Thursday. The ether Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and the House adjourned at Three o'Clock. HOUSE OF LORDS, JULY 9. The LORD CHANCELLOR did not take his seat on the Woolsack till Twenty minutes before Six. The Earl of RODEN presented eighteen petitions from various places in Ireland, against the Government Plan of Education for that country. Lord DOVER presented petitions from Blackburn, Folke4tone, and a place in Yorkshire, praying for the abolition of capital punishments in all offences against property. The - Earl of CAMPERDOWN presented several peti. ions relative to the Boundaries BB (Scotland). The Earl of ROSEBERY presented a petition relative ;o the Boundaries Bill. Lord SEGRAVE presented a petition from the Over seers and Guardians of the poor in the city of Gloucester, against the Bill relative to the removal of Irish paupers. The Duke of BUCCLEUCH presented a petition from certain owners of Superioritirs i❑ Scotland, praying for compensation. After a few words from the Earls of CAMPERDOWN and HADDINGTON, the petition was ordered to lie on the Table. The Duke of BUCCLEUCH then presented several petitions to the same effect. The Duke of HAMILTON presented petitions from Glasgow and Greenock, praying their Lordships to pass the Scotch Reform Bill without further del iy. Lord KING presented a petition from a parish in Ire land, for the Abolition of Tithes. Earl GREY presented several petitions relative to the Boundaries Bill. save, whea divided by the number of tenants, the valise of 101. to each person. Mr. STANLEY said, that the difference of the customs in England and Ireland rendered it more difficult to app!y this prr,vision to the latter country. In England the county assessment was a means of ascertaining, in cases of joint te.,, anc y, the number of bona fide occupiers of 101. in. terest ; but in Ireland no such test existed. Mr. SHEIL was in favour of the proposition, and thought its principle ought to be extended to counties. Mr. CRAMPTON thought the EltUite ought to take time for consideration before acceding to the present motion. Lord ALTHORP said, that the assessment in England prevented any fraudulent votes being made from joint te nancy; and no similar means of testing the soundness of votes existed in Ireland. He thought, however, that the proposition was worthy of consideration ; and he hope th e Hon. Member would defer pressing it until Slit bring ing up of the report. If adopted, he was of opinion that it ought to apply to boroughs, as well as to counties of cities. Mr. CROKER thought that the county cess in Ire land would serve as the assessment in England to test soundness of votes arising out of joint occupation. Lord ALTHORP said that in England a person must be assessed before he could vote ; but that in Ireland the assessment was not necessary to establish the right of voting. Mr. CALLAGHAN said, that he should, in compliance with the suggestion of the Noble Lord (Althorp), with draw his amendment for the present. The Committee then proceeded to the consideration of tht postponed clauses. On clause 54 being read, Mr. JEPHSON rose to propose that the elective fran chise should be transferred from the scholars of Dublin University to the Masters of Arts ; and also, that all per sons who had taken the degree of Bachelor of Arts should have the liberty to replace their names on the books of the Dublin University. He decidedly objected to con fining the elective franchise to the scholars of the Uni versity; because no man who was a Roman Catholic, or who possessed much property, could, according to the charter, become a scholar. Consequently, young men f the greatest abilities, and who had obtained high honours, were excladed from the possession of the elective franchise. The students were mostly intended for the church or for the bar; and if the right of voting was left exclusively in their hands, they would elect either a stickler for ecclesi astical abuses or a lawyer; and though he had the greate-t respect for the latter class of persons, be must say that he thought there was enough of them in the House already ; and he did not believe them to possess in any eminent de gree those qualities which were essential in a Member of Parliament —industy and common sense.—(Laughter.) Mr. CROKER objected to the amendment, on the ground that the resident scbol as would be completely overpowered by the great number of out-voters whom it would let in. He thought it would answer every useful purpose, if words were added to the clause in the Bill, which would extend the franchise to all persons who ob tained the degree of Master of Arts, or any higher degree. Mr. JEPHSON withdrew his amendment, and moved the insertion of the words suggested by the Right Hon. Member. Mr. LEADER approved of the amendment. Mr. CRA\IPTON considered the amendment sug gested by the Right Hon. Member quite as objectionable as the one originally proposed. Any person could acquire the degree of Master of Arts in Trinity College, upon payment of the sum of 101., and attending three exami nations in the course of the year. With respect to toe degree of Bichelor of Arts, he never knew any man so great a dunce who could not arrive at it. The resident scholars would be completely outvoted by these persons. He contended that they would act wisely in assimilating the franchise to that of the universities of England, and by so doing get rid of all the sectarian distinctions. There was no reason why the franchise should not b.r extended to Masters of Arts of the University of Dublin, as well as to those of Oxford and Cambridge, except, perhaps, that the examinations in the latter seats of learning were mo n strict. This, in his opinion, formed but a very slight ground of objection. Mr. LEFROY had been intrusted with conflicting petitions on the point before the House, from different bodies conneceted with the University of Dublin, and he should therefore decline either expressing an opinion or giving a vote upon the subject. Mr. S. RICE objected to the exclusive and sectarian character- of the proposed constituency, and would (as we understood) support the amendment. Mr. M. O'CONNELL—if the present amendment were disposed of, should propose that the elective franchise be granted to those graduates who had obtained University honours. Lord ALTHORP said, that as it appeared to him that the getteral feeling of the House was in favour of trans ferring the privilege to the Misters of Arts, and as the proposition went to include a large number of respectable persons in the constituent hody, he thought it desirable that it should take effect, with this provision, however, that merely honorary graduates, should not be entitled to vote. Sir R. BATESON thought that the extension of the franchise to the Masters of Arts should be ach4ntageous the University. Mr. O'GRADY was in favour of the proposed exten sion of the franchise, as a corrective to the exercise of undue political influence in the University elections. Mr. H. GRATTAN approved of the amendment. Mr. O'CONNELL complained of the partiality which, out of the five additional representatives conceded to Ire land, had conferred one on the University of Dublin. He protested against the principle on which this representa tive had been given, as insulting to his country, and tend ing to perpetuate dissension between Catholics and Pro testants. He would support the amendment, though lie . believed it s e ff ec t s wou ld h e to i ncrease th e expenses of elections in an University where corruption had been prac tised, and where, according to report, a suns of 500/. was offered at the last election for a single vote. Mr. CRAMPTON said, that the Hon. and Learned Gentleman had forgotten to state that the bribe had been indignantly rejected by the scholar to whom it had been offered. Mr. LEFROY, in allusion to what fell from the Hon. and Learned Member for Kerry, distinctly and positively disclaimed having tendered any bribe, either personally or by his friends. Mr. O'CONNELL—I don't believe that the Hon. and Learned Gentleman offered any thing.—(A laugh.) The amendment was then put, and carried. Mr. STANLEY proposed to add a proviso to the clause, with a view to exclude honorary graduates from the right of voting. After some observations from Sir C. WETHERELL, Mr. CROKER, and Mr. CRAMPTON, the proviso was adopted, and the clause agreed to. Clause :55 was agreed to. Mr. CROKER, in reference to the amendment respect ing the Masters of Arts, suggested that those who were entitled to take out that degree should be allowed the benefit of a special commencement, for the purpose of voting at the next election. After a desultory conversation, in which several Hon. Members joined, Mr. STANLEY should consider the proposition of the Right Hon. Gentleman. The CHAIRMAN then proceeded to schedule A, which was agreed to without discussion. Schedule B, after some verbal amendments, was agreed to. Clauses 1 to 6 of schedule C were agreed to without amendment. Oa the 7th—the chattel clause—being read, Mr. O'CONNELL proposed the introduction of the words '° or other instrument," in order that the right of assignees might be preserved. Mr. CRAMPTON would not oppose the amendment, though be thought it superfluous after the specification clause, which made " lessee" generic, including all that tbt• Learned Gentleman understood by the terms sub-lessee and assignee. On the question that No. 7, schedule C, be agreed to, Mr. C'CONNELL expressed his apprehension that as this part of the Bill was worded, sub-lessees and assignees who held leases would be excluded from voting. Mr. CRAMPTON said that the Hon. and Learned Member's fears were groundless, for in the construing clause, the word " lessees" was stated to include the two descriptions of persons whom he had alluded to. Parts 8,9, and 10, were then agreed to, and the schedule was ordered to stand part of the Bill. Schedule D was agreed to, as was also the preamble. _o_ll the question that the Chairman do leave the chair, Mr. O'C ONNELL expressed his regret that the Bill did not contain a similar clause to that contained in the English Bill, which gave parties aggrieved by those who were intrusted to put the machinery into operation a remedy by action. Mr. CRAMPTON said, that this Bill did not give parties aggrieved a remedy, but the penalty was fixed at 100/. instead of 500/. _ Mr. O'CONNELL said that the penalty did not apply to the borough constables or barristers. The House then resumed, the Bid was reported, and ordered to be printed, and the report to be taken inti, farther consideration on Friday next. PUNISHMENT OF DEATH BILL CONFERENCE. A message from the Lords requested a conference in the Painted Chamber. The request was complied with. Mr. EwArtz and YEOMANRY. Lord GLENGALL, seeing the .Noble Secretary of State for the Home Department, and the Noble and Learned Lord Chancellor for Ireland, in their places, was desirous to put a question to them relative to the power of the magistrates to call out the yeomanry. It was a question on which considerable doubt prevaile,d, and it was of great consequence that these doubts should be set at rest. He wished to know from the Noble and Learned Lord Chancellor of Ireland how the law stood, and of the power of the magistrates to call out the yeomanry in Ire land—he wished to know by what Statute it had been taken away? Lord PLUNKETT—I❑ Ireland the law officers of the Crown had given it as their decided opinion, that neither by common law, nor statute, had the Magistrates, the Governors, or Lord Lieutenants of counties, the right to call out the yeomanry, as such. He said as such, because there could be no doubt that the Magistrates had the power to demand the assistance of the yeomanry as well as of every body else, to put down a breach of the peace. By a Statute of the 52d George the Third, the power of the Lord Lieutenants and of the Sheriffs in England to call out the yeomanry was recognized, although not directly given. But by an Act, applying to Ireland, which passed the same day, the power was expressly confined to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland. As to the question about a Statute, by which the power of the Magistrate was taken sway, he ought rather to ask the Noble Lord by what Statute it was given ? The Duke of WELLINGTON.—Tho difficulty lay st. . t merely In the manner in which the question was put.— Calling out the yeomanry meant, properly speaking, call ing them out as a b o dy on m ili tar y service, and payleg them as a military body; and in that sense, neither in England, nor in Ireland, had the Magistrates the power to call them out. But there was no doubt that the Ma gistrates might call on them, as on any other person, to assist in the preservation of the peace. Lord PLUNKETT concurred with the Noble Duke in that view of the subject; but in the case of Captain Graham, that Gentleman had, on the Saturday, some ap prehensions that there would be a breach of the peace on the following Monday, and bad issued his orders on the Saturday to the yeomanry to assemble and attend at a par ticular plaCe on the Monday, and this he considered as clearly illegal. Lord GLENGALL understood the Noble Secretary of State to have said that there was no doubt of the power of the Magistrate to call out the yeomanry. Earl GREY—if there was any doubt as to the law on this head, the matter could not be settled by any declar, - tion of opinion by any Member of that House, nor by any resolution of the whole House. But the better opinion seemed to be, that neither in England nor in Ireland could the Magistrates call out the yeomanry as a military body. The power was by statute recognised in Lord Lieutenants of Counties and Sheriffs in England, and in the Lord Lieutenant in Ireland. Of course the Magistrates had the right to demand the assistance of the yeomanry, and of every man to put down a breach of the peace. If there was any doubt upon this subject, the proper mode to settle the matter was by a declaratory law. Lord WYNFORD—Nothing was known before as to the case of Captain Graham, except from the Lord Lieu tenant's letter, but on the facts, as stated by his Noble and Learned Friend the Lord Chancellor for Ireland, his Noble and Learned Friend might be right. He agreed that there was a doubt about this matter—it could not be settled by a resolution of this House, which might have to decide upon it in another way. It ought to be settled by ade • claratory law. The Marquiss of LONDONDERRY asked whether any fresh instructions had been sent on this subject to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, and, if there bad, whether there was any objection to produce them ? The Marquess of CLANRICARDE did not think that that was a question which ought to be answered. The Marquees of LONDONDERRY, on account of his connexion with Ireland, felt a strong interest in the subject. Tne Noble Secretary of State said one thing, and the Noble and Learned Lord Chancellor for Ireland had said another. Which of these opinions was he to trust ? Lord MELBOURNE—He had never said that the Magistrates had the power to call out the yeomanry for military service, as a body. Wbat he had said was, that there could be no doubt but that the Magistrates had the power to ca I upon them as upon all others of his Ma jesty's subjects, to assist in suppressing a breach of the peace. PUNISHMENT OF DEATH ABOLITION BILL. On the Order of the thy for the consideration of the reasons of the Commons for refusing to agree to the Lords' amendments in the Bill for Abolishing the Punishment of Death in certain cases being read, Lord WYNFORD, who had proposed the amendments, now meant to propose to their Lordships, resolutions in sisting on the first and the last of these amendments. The abolition of the punishment of death extended to cases of private stealing in a dwelling house, and of stealing horses and sheep, and he insisted that this species of pro perty would he left without protection, if the punishment of death were abolished, without substituting the severest secondary punishment. The Bill, as it came from the Commons, had enabled Magistrates, as well as the supe rior Judge, to sentence to various periods of transporta tion and imprisonment; and he had proposed the amend ment, that the sentence should invariably be transporta tio❑ for life, leaving it to the Crosvn to modify the sen tence, where that might appear proper. People talked of humanity ; but humanity, of late, bad been taking a wrong turn ; for it syinpathised with the rogue rather than with the honest man. His second and third amendments, he did not at present mean to insist upon. But he would propose to their Lordships a resolution insisting on the 4th and last, which was to restore the old law, by which felons under sentence of transportation could neither ac quire nor retain property. This law bad been late:y abrogated, and the effect had bee❑ mischievous. Receivers of stolen goods and others went out with property, and were hired by the Govern ment as labourers to the people of the colony. They pur chased up their services and suffered no inconvenience from their sentence, except that they could ❑ot return to this • country. He bad proposed the re-enactment of the old law, by which felons under sentence of transportation should neither acquire or retain l roperty, and this he pro. posed to insist upon, and he meant also to insist on giving a legislative sanction to certain regulations made by Gene ral Darling for New South Wales. The regulations were, that felons transported for seven years should not have their tickets of leave, or, in other words, be pardoned, until they have served four years. That those transported fur fourteen years should not have their tickets of leave till they had served six years, and that those transported for life should not have their tickets of leave till they had served eight years. These regulations had been attended with the best results, and lie had proposed to make them binding on other Governors, and to extend them to Van Diemen's Land and other Colonies. After a few words from Lard DACXtE and the Duke of WELLINGTON, the question was put on the resolution, that the Lords insist on the amendments in the first clause of the Bill. The LORD CHANCELLOR recommended their Lord ships to insist on retaining the first and last amendments, and to give up the others. His Lordship then put the question oh the first amendment, to which all their Lord ships gave their assent for persevering in it, as they did for persevering in the third amendment, negativing the others. Viscount. MELBOURNE then moved that a message be sent to the Commons, desiring a conference on their amendments, in which their Lordships thought it right to persevere. Conference appointed and message sent. SCOTCH REFORM BILL. The LORD CHANCELLOR presented a petition from a learned and respectable body of men—the Sheriffs De pute of Scotland—against that part of the Scotch Reform Bill which subjected them to penalties if they failed in the performance of the duties imposed on them by the regis tration clauses of that Bill. The Earl of ROSSLYN said a few words in support of tha prayer of the petition. Petition laid upon the Table. BOUNDARIES BILL. The Duke of RICHMOND moved the third reading of the Boundaries Bill. The Marquess of CLANRICARDE moved that the name of Dursley be substituted for that of Thornbury, as the nomination•place for the eastern division of Glou cestershire. The Duke of RICHMOND said that a commissioner had been seut down to examine into the matter, and he had reported in favour of Dorsley. Lord ELLENBOROUGH thought it would be better to retain Thornhury on the ground that Dursley was in the centre of a manufacturing district, and it might be expected that the manufacturers would assemble there not to pro mote but to retard the election. The Marquess of CLANRICARDE thought it was very hard to visit upon the manufacturers their occupation as a crime. After a few words from Lord ELLENBOROUGH, the Marquess of CLANRICARDE, and the Duke of RICHMOND, The Houie divided on the question that the word Thorn bury stand part of the question. Contents Non Contents Majority Dinsley was then placed in the Bill instead of Thornbury. The Duke of RICHMOND understood it was the in tion of a Noble Friend of his to move that Arundel be a polling place for the county of Sussex. He would not object to the motion ; but he wished to be understood that, in acceding to it, he was not influenced by a menacing letter which he had that morning received from the Mayor of Arundel. Lord GOWER then moved that Arundel be inserted in the Bill as one of the polling places for the county of Sussex. The motion was agreed to. The Duke of RICHMOND then moved that the Bill do pass. Lord WY.NFORD could not allow the Bill to pass without again complaining of the manner in which the boundaries of some boroughs had been adjusted. Earl GREY and the LORD CHANCELLOR, in reply to the Noble and Learned Lord, eulogized the Commis sioners who had determined the boundaries, and declared that nu gentlemen could have discharged the duty with greater diligence, ability, or fairness. The Bill was then passed. THE SCOTCH REFORM BILL. The question having been put upon the Order of the Day for a Committee of the whole Ilou,e upon the Scotch Reform Bill, Lord MANSFIELD said, that although he retained his ipinio❑ that the change which his Majesty's Ministers de termined to effect in the representative system of England was most dangerous and uncalled for, yet he could co t suppose that, having made that change, they could avoid making some alteration of the Scotch representa tion also. But it did not follow, that, because some change was, under the circumstances, unavoidable, there was any necessity for the substituting of an entire new system. In making so extensive a change, it ought to have been taken into consideration, that the representa tion of Scotland, compared with that of England, was far from being proportioned to its population and wealth. There was a strong feeling in Scotland, that justice had not been done in this particular, and petitions would have poured into the House, complaining of the inadequate re presentation given to that country, but that the people bad been persuaded to abstain from signing the petitions, under the supposition that by doilg so, they would do injury to the general cause of Reform. But he was convinced, that when his countrymen should have taken time for calm reflection, they would perceive that the change was not so much for the better, as they had been led to expect. The present system in Scotland was attended, practically, with many good effects. The voters were more independent in that country than in England, and the elections were carried on with less riot and corruption. But the Bill before the House would cause Scotch elections to be at tended with the drunkenness, riot, and bribery, which, however prevalent at English elections, had been unknown in Scotland under the old system. With respect to the qualification, the Noble Lord was well convinced the landed interest would have been better pleased if it were higher. Alluding to the speech of the Learned Lord on the Wool sack, he observed that he found in him a powerful assist- ant, for that Learned Lord had conferred high and just praise on certain of the institutions of Scotland. He re gretted, however, to observe, that undeserved censure had been directed against the Parliament. Their Lordships should recollect that Parliament had done one thing, which it yet remained for their Lordships to eff et. It had esta blished a church which amply supplied the spiritual wants of the people, and was duly and cheerfully maintained by the people, and maintained moreover in all is just rights and privileges.—(Hear, hear.) The Noble Lord next pro- ceeded to defend the Scotch Members, against the charge frequently brought against them, of indiscriminate support of all Ministries. From what be knew of the gentlemen who represented Scotch counties, he believed them utterly incapable of such subserviency ; and he really believed that the Parliamentary conduct of the Scotch Members was as little liable to blame as that of any other body of Members in the House. In conclusion, he expressed his opinion that the provisions of the Bill were too popular, and he earnestly entreated the Government to reconsider them while there was yet time. He feared that, if Mem bers were to be made in all parts of the empire, absolutely dependent on their popular constituencies, it would be utterly impossible for any Government to remain in power for eighteen months. The Earl of CAMPERDOWN was astonished to hear any Noble Lord attempt to support the eld close system of returning representatives for Scotland. He would strenu ously support the measure. The tug of HADDINGTON, in pursuance of the notice given on a former night, proposed to give two Members to represent the Universities of Scotland—the one to represent the Universities of Edinburgh and Aber deen, the other Glasgow and St. Andrew's—the consti tuency to consist of office-bearers and resident graduates. To prove that there would be a sufficient constituency, he stated, that within the last thirty years, 2,791 M.A. de grets had be,n taken in the Universities, and 4,151 M.D. degrees. Of the persons who had so graduated, he calcu lated that there were now 1,500 alive ; and he contended, that as an additional Member had been given to Dublin, there was a fair claim upon the part of the Scotch Univer sities for representation. He accordingly moved an in struction to the Committee to this effect. The LORD CHANCELLOR, for the sake of the learned bodies themselves, felt compelled to oppose his Noble Friend's Motion. He did not think it would be an advantage to the Universities of Scotland, to have the power of returning Members to Parliament. His Noble Friend's allusion to Dublin College had no weight with him ; for were they now constructing a new system of re pre,entatioo, he would feel muc'a disposed to withhold Members from the English and Irish Universities. He considered that the tranquillity of these haunts of letters ought not to broken on by the rudeness of political con test. In speaking thus, he gave utterance, net merely to his own opinion, but to that others, who were much better acquainted with these learned bodies. The intro duction of politics to the Universities made the students prematurely politicians, and exercised a decidedly ob ❑oxious influence upon the character and pursuits of their instructors, who, as Ministers of the Go,pel and teachers of youth, ought to take no part in angry political conten tion. Therefore, he did not wish to have representation conferred upon the Scotch Universities; and, moreover, he was by no means satisfied that they could furnish a de sirable constituency. The M.A. degree in the English Universities was taken in a very different manner from that in Scotland. In England, a considerable length of time—an attention to diseipline—and an examination, were necessary to qualify a man to take a degree. These checks did not exist i❑ Scotland. There the degree was given as a matter of course, if demanded. It very rarely was given in Edinburgh ; so rarely, that he knew nothing of it—the form or mode of taking it ; but in the more Northern Scotch Universities the degree was very com monly given ; and their Lordships would see that it might be indefinitely multiplied in the event of its conferring the elective franchise. For all these reasons, he objected to his Noble Friend's suggestion; and would eve❑ say that he regretted that representation had originally been granted to the Church. He, however, had no doubt that the Scotch Clergy would conduct themselves as they had always done, and continue to deserve the affection and ve neration of the people. He trusted they would keep themselves aloof from all political broils and strugglos. He had good hopes that they would ; and remarked that they had so borne themselves in their House of Assembly, as well to merit their title, " venerable." The instruction was then put and negatived. Their Lordships went into Committee on the Bill. The Earl of HADDINGTON moved that in the first Clause 51 be erased, and 63 inserted. The LORD CHANCELLOR said, his Noble Friend's array of figures was very specious, but what did he think of the West Riding of Yorkshire, which had 900,000 in habitants, and only two Members? Or what did he think of the 2,700,000 inhabitants of Yorkshire and Lancashire only returning, up to a late period, four Members between them ? That was under the good old system, in which his Noble Friend had opposed all improvement. Scotland, at the same time, with less population than these two coun ties, returned its forty-five Members. There were various other anomalies which were not yet got rid of. Why the small county of Selkirk, with 6,000 inhabitants, had its Member, and what an ill-used portion of the people, by the rule laid down by his Noble Friend, must the people of the West Riding of Yorkshire consider themselves ! The same arguments held good as to the revenue and taxes of different districts. In fact, there would be no end of changes if they were to follow out the principles, as to number and wealth, laid down by his Noble Friend. The practical point was, could they have so many Members? It was admitted on all hands that Parliament was already too numerous ; and who were to suffer to make room for the additional Members proposed to be given to Scotland by his Noble Friend ? As to population, Scotland was better off than Ireland for representatives, and even as well off as that country, considering the amount of its wealth. The practical question, however, was—could they re-open the whole system ? Was Manchester or Birmingham to lose its Members, or were they prepared to have a new Schedule A? The addition proposed by his Noble Friend would not be in proportion to the population of Scotland any more the present number, and it would be open to all the objections of the present number. Clause agreed to, and ordered to stand part of the Bill. On a subsequent clause, the Earl of MANSFIELD called the attention of the Committee to the fact, that se veral parishes had been separated from Perth to add to the counties of Clackmannan and and Kinross, which had oc casioned considerable discontent. He wished to know why this was done ? Earl GREY said that there was a petition from these very parishes in favour of the Bill, which was a complete answer to the assertion that it had occasioned discontent. Clause agreed to.—The several clauses as far as the twelfth were also agreed to, On the twelfth clause being put, . The Earl of MANSFIELD contended at some length that the holders of superiorities ought to have been compensated for their loss by the electors who had ac quired the light of voting. He only mentioned the sub i,et, however, and would not move any amendment. The LORD CHANCELLOR said that it was of no use discussing compensation at present ; for if it were to be made at all, it must be by a different Bill _Clause Agreed to.—The House then resumed. PUNISHMENT OF DEATH BILL. The Deputy Usher of the Black Rod announced that the Managers of the Conference on the part of the Corn mons awaited their Lordships in the Painted Chamber. On the motion of Earl GREY, a Committee was ap pointed to manage the Conference on the part of the Lords. After the lap,e of ten minutes, the Lords' Committee returned, and the Marquess of LANSDOWNE reported that they had stated to the Managers, on the part of the C s o t m o r n ni t tt he ee, am th e e nd re m as e o n is t. reasons that induced their Lords hi p s to in ,i' Their Lordships then adjourned at Half. past Twelve. -~ FRENCH PAPERS. (From Moniteur of July 8 : official part.) " Louis-Philippe, King of the French, &c., greeting. Considering the state of the credits opened by the laws of the sth of January, 25th of March, 18th of Apra, 1831, and 21st of April, 1832, creating the extraordinary ways and means applicable to the use of public expenses, " 4 On the report of our Minister Secretary of State of Finance, " 4 We have ordained, and do ordain as follows : " 4 Art. 1. Our Minister Secretary of State of Finance is authorized to proceed to the sale by public bidding, and by means of sealed offers, of a sufficient sum of recites to produce a capital of 150,000,000. This sale shall be made in 5 per cent. rentes, bearing inscription from the 22d of March, 1832. It shall be adjudged to the com pany who shall offer the highest price for the recites which ai e to be inscribed, save the reserve of the mininum esta blished by the Minister. " 2. Conformably to article '7 of the law of the 25th of March, 1831, and to article 12 of the law of the 18th of April following, the sinking fund shall accrue from the 16th of November next, from a BUM equal to the hundredth part of the nominal capital of the rentes which shall be negoti ited in virtue of the article 1 above. " 3. Our Minister Secretary of State of Finance is intrusted with the execution of the present ordinance. " LOUIS-PHILIPPE. " By the King, 44 The Minister Secretary of State of Finance, " Made at St. Cloud, July '7, 1832. " LOUIS. " Announcement of a loan of 150,000,000 in Five per Cent. Rents, to bear inscription the 22d of - March, 1832. " The Minister Secretary of State of Finance, in exe cution of the Royal ordinance of this day's date, has de cided as follows : " Art. 1. On Wednesday, the Bth of August, 1832, at noon precisely, the sale and adjudication of the BUM of Five per Cent. Rentes, destined to produce a capital of 150 000 000 shall he proceeded with at the office of the Ministry of Finances, on sealed offers, in one lot and to the highest bidder. " 2. The Rentes adjudged shall be entitled to inscrip tion from the 22d of March, 1832. "3. The payment of 150,000,000 shall take place at the periods and in the proportions following : Francs. " On the 15th September, 1832 7,500,000 October November December January, 1833 7,500,0(53 February 7,500,000 March April 10,50 ),000 Slay June 10,500,000 July August 10,500,000 September October November December Total Francs l 5 000 " 4. On the day appointed to receive offers, Mini ster of Finance will open the proceedings, by placing on the table a sealel packet containing a declaration signed by himself, of the lowest rate which he will consent to the sale and adjudication of the rentes which are to represent the 150,000,000 capital. That declaration shall only be opene l if it happen that none of the offers made come up to the minimum price fixed upon by the Minister. " 5. The offers shall be received sealed from the hands of the bidders, immediately numbered and arranged on the table to be opened in their presence, without their being removed, the whole publicly a nd during the same sitting. The offers once delivered cannot be withdrawn. "6. In order to be valid, every offer shill be, Ist, con- formable to the model A, given hereunder; 2dly, pre ceded by a deposit as security provable by the exhibition of a receipt of the caisse of deposits: and consignments, conformable to the model B, hereunder, which receipt is to be given in with the offer. The price offend is to be positively stated in the sealed tender, in francs and cen times, without stipulation of any eventual condition. "7. The amount to be deposited as security shall not be under 4,000,000. This sum may be deposited either ' in currency, or inscriptions of 3 per Cent. rentes, calcu lated at the rate of 75 francs ; in 4, 4 i, and 5 per Cent. rentes, at par ; in royal bonds, and in liberate I shares of bridges and canals. Such securities of this description which may be nominative, or to order, shall be transferred to the caisse of deposits. The depo s it s p u t i n as secur it y by those whose offers have not been accepted, shall be re stored within 24 hours after the adjudication. "8. When all the offers have been put in, the Minister of Finance will proceed to open them according to the order of their numbers, and will read each of them aloud. " 9.The adjudication of the:loan shall he in favour of the parties who have offered the highest price for the rentes furnishable by the public treasury, and, in case of invali dity, in favour of the bidder next in the order of prices, under the reserve expressed in Art. 4. The Minister of Finance will pronounce publicly. He shall be sole judge of the validity of the offers. " 10. In the event of two or more offers at the same price, should the bidders not declare that they associate, the sale shall be begun over again during the same sitting, either in public biddings, or in sealed offers, if required by any of the bidders. " 11. Within ten days after the adjudication, the par ties in favour of whom it has been made shall increase the deposit of security to fifteen millions. This deposit may he made up of the kind of securities specified in Art. '7.— If the deposit be not completed at the expiration of this delay (ten days), the parties to whom the adjudication has been made shall lose all right thereto, and forfeit the first deposit of four millions, which shall become the property of the treasury by way of indemnity. The deposit of 15,000,000 francs shall not be indispensable, if the par ties pay in, within the delay of te❑ days, the two first in stalments of the loan. A discount, at the rate of four per cent. per annum, shall be allowed them for the lapse of time between the day at which such payment has been made in anticipation, and that on which the instalments are due. " 12. After the payment by the parties adjudged to, of the two first instalments, there shall be delivered to them rom the Treasury certificates, according to the model hereunder. C. " 13. The guarantee stipulated with the offers, accord ing to the model A, shall cease after the payment made of the two first instalments of the loan, the amount of those two instalments having to be reserved as ulterior security by the Public Treasury. " 14. In case of delay in the payment of an instalment, the debtor shall be charged with interest for the benefit of the Treasury at the rate of five per cent. per annum, to be reckoned from the sth day after that on which the instal ment is due, without there being occasion for any other previous notice. In default of payment of an instalment due, the whole amount of the certificate shall be required, and the Minister of Finance shall be at liberty to put it up to sale on behalf of the Treasury until due value is obtained. " 15. Every payment made into the central caisseluf the Treasury, whether at the period due, by anticipation, or by discount, if it has been authorized, shall be valid only through the exhibition of a receipt of the central cashier endorsed at the control, or by a receipt cut out from the bond (coupon), and also bearing the indorsement (vise) of the control of the caisse. " Done at Paris, July 7. " The Minister Secretary of State of Finance, " LOUIS." DUTCH PAPERS. " BREDA, Ju i.. L Y iall 3 sool : dteei N en V la e arnedd learn from Zealand, by ac counts of the Ist instant, that news bad been received there e th le a v t en t o fT eloe d k ay , t b h e e fo ß r e e ig y ia e n s s ter h d a a d y c ( u S t a o t ff ur t d b a e y e ) o , m a m t un ha ic l a t t p io a nss t with the citadel of Antwerp. It is expected (add these accounts) that this act of hostility will be considered as calling for reprisals on our part. " Before we can warrant this news as certains we must have farther information of it. : HAGUE, JULY j c u tf L E Y , s .l . t.fur Th 3 e .— K H in i g s Majesty the King left this place to-day for the Loo. Loo next week, and is said, will s i ll s ;ind view the camps. Prince Frederick with his contort and daughter are expected from Berlin• a Sl s eiv p i e c e k te , d an p d iac tlie sanatory at Scheveningen has " The appearance of the cholera made n o change in the quarantine and measures of pre ortryecgtoedtoftrhoemartmhye co ution hitherto observed. In consequence of the ac it is ordered that ships from Cie Elbe counts that have been received respecting the appearance cholera( , : t f at t e he olanii ibtalrbgii, rgh), from the Holstein canal, and (including Toningen), shall be considered as coming from suspected from the coast between the Eider and the Elbe (including places,and perform seven day's quarantine. " Plymout i is ~ At Scheveningen the cholera is of a favourable kind. Th e number of cases from the 25th of June to the 6th of July in the morning, was 49. There had been 4 deaths and 35 recoveries, so that only 10 remained. AMSTERDAM, JULY 6. Actual Debt, tN per cent .. ......... . 421 to 4t2 Aniort Syndic, 4% per cent . ............ 70 to 70% Ditto, ditto, Y 2 per cent. Voluntary Loan, 1831, 6 per cent 9 4 ,i to 95% Ditto, ditto, 1832, 5 per cent. Exchange on London, one month, Two months l2 10 1 DON PEDRO'S EXPEDITION. • ..1•111) By the Ebenezer packet, which arrived at A mouth on Saturday, we learn that the troops e n ; posing the expedition against Portugal embarked ° 4 the 22d ult., and fin a lly - sa il e d f rom S t. Mi c hse' on the 27th. We subjoin the addresses of P O/1 1 Pedro to the Azoreans and to the troops : " Illustrious inhabitants of the Azores—For upWar 4l l of three mouths have I lived amongst you, full of admit* tion, and deeply sensible of the great sacrifices you ha) made, and the adhesion you have manif es t e d to th e sac , cause of my august daughter. It is now necessary that leave yeu ; and that at the head of the brave men veli; surround me I go to destroy the foul usurpation, a nd rf: store to her throne Senhora Donna Maria 11., and btis l, ably fix the empire of the law, by re-establishing tisl i Chatter, under whose protection the Portuguese natid. shall once more enjoy union, tranquillity, and justice, °I which barbarity, cruelty, and despotic rule have so loPl . deprived it. " I leave you, faithful islanders, but I carry with mei lively remembrance of your fidelity and patriotism. carry with me the important knowledge of the fruitfulnei c of your soil, and of the high character and industriodr habits of the inhabitants ; and if, even here, in the mid of difficulties which still surround the Government of led Most Faithful Majesty, I have been able to provide, as NI as circumstances permitted, for your necessities, confide it s me that as soon as our institutions shall be put in actie o the Government will consider it one of its most nacre' 'duties to extend its protection in a particular manner to" wards you, and to give the fullest benefits to islands so fer tile and to the inhabitants who are so useful and labarioaa " Brave Azoreans, if a glorious attempt separate me or day from you, I carry with me a certainty that your 101 l fur the cause of justice, for which you have made sue ) , sacrific , s, and your adhesion to the new institutions, d i whose effects you have already began to feel the benefiga • will preserve flee from harm, and worthy of the gtory tl has acquired, this noble Archipelago, the classic land d Portuguese loyalty, the illustrious cradle of the regenerr lion of its parent land. " Don PEDRO, Duke of Braganzs." " Soldiers—Your afflicted country calla for you ; io recompense of your fatigues, of your sufferings, and your loyalty, it offers you rest, gratitude, and acknotv'l lodgment. " Full of confidence in the visible protection of the Go d of Armies, let us march, soldiers, to complete the en ter , prise we have so honourably projected. The fame d your incomparable valour—of your di s ti ngu i s h e d peso') verance—go before you; the decided love which we consecrate to our Queen Donna Maria 11. accompanies 0 6 : as well as the enthusiasm we have for the Constitution.' Charter—the wishes of the agonized Portuguese na tion f o llow us—Europe anxiously awaits the decision of the contest between fidelity and perjury —between justice and despotisam— , ,etween liberty and slavery—finally, soldiers, glory calls upon us to save our honour. " Let us go—let us embark, shouting vivas for the Queen and the Charter, the palladiums of Portuguese liberty. “ Don PEDRO, Duke of Braganza.” The follo►ving is an extract of a letter ►vritten at sea three days after the departure of the fleet fool St. Michael's : " Lat 30 deg. 30 min. N. long. 21 deg. 30 min. W. June 30. The squadron with the convoy, having the liberating army on board, took its final departure from St. Michael's on the morning of the 27th instant. This is our third day at sea, with a fine fair wind, which, if we are fortunate enough to keep, will carry us to Lusitania's shores in ail days ; but this, sanguine as we all are, is more than we can expect at this season, when calms are so prevalent; for my own part, if we make land by the 15th, I shad consider we have been lucky. The die is at length east ; humanity, I hope, will not be disappointed in the throws All is enthusiasm, and the appearance of the Stag British frigate from Lisbon, on the very day of our departure/ was a cheering sight. She bas been in company with us these three days, and has this moment made all sail to join the squadron off the Tagus, and announce our approach to the British Admiral, that he may meet us at the point of our landing, which will not he the Tagus. " Yesterday being a calm day, the Emperor, and Sir Thomas Troubridge, who commands the Stag, dined with the Admiral, after which his Majesty visited the /Rat and was saluted with twenty-one guns, both on going on board and on quitting her. "We are in all fifty vessels. Don Pedro, with his Ministers add Staff, are on board the En aline, a s hip fitted expressly for him. " I have many anecdotes to give you, showing the noble spirit that animates the army and pervades all ranks ; if 1 have time on the passage you shall have them by our nest packet ; at present I can only give you this brief statement of our departure. " We carry with us the good wishes and sympathy 0 1 the enlightened of all Europe. Our aim will be to merit their applause." Don Pedro has rendered himself extremely popular with the soldiers and sailors of the expedition—and not less so, it appears, with the inhabitants of the Azores. A Ow' nica, printed at Ponta Delgado, contains a number of de' crees which prove the interest the Emperor took in the prosperity of the Azores, and afford a favourable augury Of the measures which may be expected from him on his arrival in Portugal. The following is a copy of the Pro' clatnation he intends to issue on his landing:— " PROCLAMATION. " PORTUGUESE!-The time has arrived for throwing off the tyrannical yoke which has oppressed you. At the head of the liberating army, of which I have the glory to be Commander-in-Chief, I offer you peace, reconciliation/ and freedom. Come, Portuguese, of all classes and opi nions, and rally round the banner of your legitimate Sovereign, Donna Maria 11. Take courage, and rely oo my protection. Do not hesitate a single moment. Save your honour while there is yet time, and be assured that will faithfully fulfil the promises I made in my Maul' festo-- " To deliver the oppressed—to re-establish order—to restore the legitimate throne of my August daughter, and with it the Constitutional Charter which I gave you, and which you freely swore to maintain—such are the motives which have induced me (confiding in your cooperation) to place myself at the head of this noble and just cause. " These are my only views. My only interat is your glory and welfare ; no ot h er can b e c h er i s h ed b y t h e c hief of the Most Serene House of Bragann, the descendant by primogeniture of your Kings, and one who has span' taneously and for ever abdicated two crowns. " Portuguese, return to your duty. Proclaim anew the imperishable rights of your Sovereign and the Constitu tional Charter. Avail yourselves of the succour which 1 come to offer you. Help me to save the country which give me birth. Prove to the world that you have bee" betrayed, that you are not perjured, and that you are worthy to enjoy the liberty which is guaranteed to you itt the Charter. Do not suffer yourselves to be deluded by those who represent the Constitutional Government as hostile to our Holy religion. Those who do so are hypo crites, who take advantage of that religion to abuse your country is and will continue to be a principal object of al =ands. No one shall be deprived of care and of the care of the Government. good faith . To provteencgteaannede.respTehcet s t o h l e die r r e s lig w io h n o o fo f il o o : You enjoy o none of n i fee: obeyhF i e s a civil yP r h t , or his property, these guarantees under the usurped government. " hlinisters of the altar—soldiers of every rank--Por tuguese in general—abandon the usurper without further delay. D o not, by your obstinacy, introduce into unfor tunate Portugal civil war, which I am anxious to avoid. Your country, exhausted by misery of every kind, and re duced to the lowest point of degradation, is weary of ad' fering. Recollect that your ancestors rose to greatness , and acquired a great name in history, because they knew how to appreciate liberty. Nothing shall induce me to resort to force for the purpose of liberating you. D o not lose so favourabl e an opportunity of proving to the world that you are still worthy to be a free nation. Concur on arose from your part t o t h row off the yoke of tyranny, to terminate Cie hor rors o f the most ferocious despotism, and to este idish p eace , reconciliation, and liberty. Reflect and dec id e . appears " Don PEDRO, Duke of BRAGANZA." It %vhich it W3B f oun d una dvi•able to prosecute, in conse quence of th e occurrenc e of bad weather. The whole of o t commencementt the report made,th e naval and military force is, according to accounts, a , follows:—. FRIGATES —The Reinha da Portugal (bearing the ilig of Admiral SartorMs), the Donna Maria Secunde!. CORVETTES. —The Amalia (late Juno), the Regencla (I,t Portugal, theltlarquis of lluntley. Bitics.—The Count de Villaflor, the Liberal, the irobzutario. Settoorrens.--The Fayal and three others. In addition to these vessels of war, there are 15 gun" oats ; the transports are 65 in number. The Superb ,team. boat accompanies the expedition, and the City of Edinburgh and the Rotnana are ordered to join it on the , ast of Portugal. The army consists of 9,000 Portuguese infantry an d „tvitlry, 780 artillery, 1,500 English and French Oboe