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provided tbcy had been eoofin!ti five years, and had not received the betiefit o f fiainer enatimems. Tbis Clause was.objeaed to by the LORD CHAN Cvt„Lo f t, who thought it might more properly be rendered the foundation of a separate BO). Aber. some conversation it w,ts rejetted on a di vision of 4. to r. The Report was ordered to be received to.rnur. HOUSE OF COMiIuATS. TUESDAY. JULY 24. A Message ww; received from the Lords, inform. ing the House of their Lordshir,* concurrence to 'the Londond Incumbent and the London Duck Regulation Bal. - Mr. CURRY moved, that there,be laid before the House, Copies of the Letters, Orders, and Inqrue. t ions-received by the Commissioners of Customs and Excise for the better regtilAnn of the' RevenOe of Ireland ; .as also Copies of the Answers and Returns oldie same from the loth of Match, 179 a, to the lit of IVLirch 1860, which was ordered accord ingly; _ CORN BILL. Mr. Wrtavitaw.tooved the Order of ihe Day for the second reading of the Bill for the Amendment of the Corn Laws. He thought it tight to , rake this opportunity of giving notiee_thfrt it was pro. pr:std 'to' fill up the. blank for the commencement of the operation of the Ad, in the Committee, with 15th November, being the next following quarter. day, instead of 15th of Augusti whiCh was the day proposed for the commencement in the former Bill. The reason for making this alteration was, that ac. counts hid been received from various parts of the Country, that the appearances of ilie.ensuing harvest were not so favourable as there had been at first rea. son to expel. On this ground it was thotight right to retard the operation of the present measure' to a period at which the. produce of the ensuing harvest Would he ascertained and collected, so that no pre., mature exportation could rake place, to.expose tl,te Country .to want. By this alteration there wou:d also be this advantage, that Parliament would in all probability .be sitting at the time ; which would be a complete security fur the repeal of the measure, if the Chiuntry should be then in a situation to* dread any mischief from its operation. He hoped these consider.ations would remove the . apprehenkions which some persons entertained from the Bill, ,and that they would induce . the Gentlemen who had al. ,teady some opp9siton to it, not to. im- peck its progres.. 111 r, Aldermaa COMDE disapproved of the Bill. He thought it improper to bring. forward rtmea. sure of such magnitule at the close.of a :Session, when there was necessarily so thin an attendance of Members. The ea& of the measure, had already been, though it had not passed, to create seirApid a rise in the price'of COrn as to give ground for se. rious alarm. If the pr,,nysters of the. present Rill had reason, from Omit intelligence, with rope& to the ensuing harvest, to 4lefer the commencement of the operation s o f t h e new exportation price us i period Which would, wobbly, he revelled by commencement of the next be saw no " :00 r i i w hy t h e whole consideration of the measure wiiu!d nut much more properly be deferred to that Session, lie shJuld therefore move that ,the MU be reo a second time this day six months. s; r cu?msseconcLd the Amendment pro. posed by his worthy. Colleague. He wished ,the House to consider -the mischievous effeets to be ap. fic he o d e d from the complete operation of the when even the eipeattion of Its being passed into a 14w •cao.ed such a c , ifitinued and 'alarming. rise in the price of Grain and Flour; Sir YOUN ANDERSON felt.himself bound to 'oppose the further vrogress of the Bill; which, he .hoped, would not be further proceeded upon in this fiession, I; consequence of what had alre4dy been tone upon the the Assize of Bread had been again, for the third flow, t-tised'„ The c11,1Nc17,7,01t qf the EXCIIEQUE,'%' olttivi43 that the petiqd of the Session wai sind tho atteribnce of Mtrubers oft course thin ; but if the Dill which was now" before the Ilotise did not cliff r from one to which the flew, 'a very full ;Ittendanee, had given its approbation, and which would have passed into a 1., iw he'did mit see how the ohjetaion of it's beiog now brought forward at a late period of the Session, or in a thin attendance, could • with propriety :be urged. The measure was not a new one ; it was one of which 'lie ; had hCCII • ring in possession, grounded on the lie.ports of highly cespeertable Committees, and ,nniily el in : its progress ;through the II use, The ow 3. sce had, after all this coe.ideration anti itioutri , passed thit [louse with rod a l yrobation, and hail been sent back only in cons , epience Of a [Tilling al. .teration, riot of any triOment to rhe operaii in 01 .ti ! e hilt, wlti l :h, linwevet, from the forms itf that renciefed it ii. tssiry either in :diminish the twin. titre alt-get her' for the relent Sc.6on, or - to brio% it forward in its pre.ent shape, lb! trusted, there. fore, the Flonse woubl 'see it in quite a' diarent light from: an entire new theaqtre brought forward for 11. first !One, Which he agreed would be highly imprwci at this late period in a thing,ofsuch snag. riitnile„ . To lay aside the meaSure• entirely, wonid be to defeat the intention which the House had de, eared early, and in a lull attendance. Ii was, therefore, desirable that t be. measure should take eff ck , unless any thing hat interfered to render it proper to reconfider ir. Ninhing (MI ii,ll ore had occurred ; for thong!' it had been s t a t e d, .that the price tif Crain aid Fleur had tisen, and that the rise was to be imputed to this measure, he he. lieved the fail did nit go to that extent; any rise' that had taken 'thee was to he imputed to oilier causes than this measure, • Such rite as had taken - place; might very eaturally he the result of theprosped of a thadtddiCd Harvest in : the next year, and it was yet far below the price which was universally allowed to be nt;cestiary for the due encouragement of Agriculture. The increase of the price that had taken place wits not regular nor constant. In the presets' Week the price had fallen, for thoUgn the A:fsize of Bread hall been increased,' thtm?',Was regu. laced 'itot by the price of the current, hut of the-last week. The present price was far from being so high as that, which all agreed was a eutfieiew price. There was besides, an additional inducement to pinta the Ilill, k the delay of the .commencement of die new export price till Isth INLivetiaber ; the coun, try would be secure of its own barvest, and the , usual fkilities I;ll4Upply,frOm America arid the Bal 7 , tic would still he open. It would also be easy at that time to adopt in a full Parliament, any altera tion, if circumstances should be such as to render any nece , sary. This course was far better than that Parliament should, by reje&ing the present Bill, tun counter to. its own - sense, - so fUlly and decidedly pronounced. Lord ARCHIBALD HAMILTON said, , that the Amendment proposed by the•worthy Alderman, removed :melt of the objections which he had to the Bill. He still, however, thought that the consider. ation of the measure might, without any danger, be deferred till next Session; for to him it did nor ap. pear that any such necessity now existed as to call for and justify such urgency. After a few word, in explanation from Mr.•PITT and Mr. WESTERN, the House .divided on the ques. lion of the proposed Amendment, when the Mud. hers were, _ _ . Fork It Against it _ • 5 6 FINANCES. Mr.7OIINSTONE,aIte! a. few prefatory remarks, ob , erved, that the former Resolution, moved by a Right Hon. Friend of his (Mr, Ti E . RN BY), differed in some instances from thuSe he meant to subinit.--, His Right Hon. Friend used to compare the annual accounts with those of the year 1793 ; that having been the last year of peade. He had not taken that year, hut, instead of it, the year 1802, as that was the last year Of the last Peace. His Right Hon. Friend used also to take a view of our probable si, tuition on the return of Peace. lie did not intend to do so, because he considered that the return -of Peace was an event, with reseed to the period of which it was not very praaicable to,speculate, and, likewise, because he thought. that whatever. might', he our circumstances, „Ind the establishment then to he regitired, we should find ourselves possessed of ample means for every such purpose. The predic... tions made by Gentlemen on both sides of the House 1).1 been fulfilled t those' who prediited an increased demand for expences, had seen their predidions ye. rifiedi while those who prognosticated an increase in . our Finances had likewise found their promises made Rid by the even t . The differences bet We en esolutions and" those of the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite, were indeed but small. The three first of their Resolutions- were elike, except , in .a trifling particular. Thelion. Member then preceeded point Out a few differences, which did not.amount to any citCtiliistance of 'magnitude.: The,CW4NG4LLOR of. the EXCIIEQUERwaS very happy' to find, and to hear from the Hon. G. , n. that his. Statement correspon.led •So ne.triy . with his own..—[ A copy of this statement it blurted •ter the next. page.]—There were, it was true, sotne point of difference, but nothing as to the general result of the whole. No other opinion but that ex. pressed by the ilon..Gentleman,.could he drawn by any man who candidly Sat . down to the perusal anti consideration of these Statements. Stieh a prosperous crate of finincial.. affairs had never been paralleled by any C ou ntry whatever in the Ilbtory the and' was certainly beyond the warmest expee6iib ri ,, of any•man. Aftei ten years of a .wide and corn. plicated War, and_ the very speedy renewal of that War, with all its consequent expences, we found our resources still in the same progressive. s r ate of pros. perity as before we entered upon the difficulties of that War. One' point had h:rii muted by the` Hun, Gentleman, intimately e onn eo e d wilt s our strength and greatness : he meant the state of o u r Navigation. There was dist) another:Of ;great mo. meat, the progressive proportion of the Sinking Fund, - a,, progression, which, he was _ll:ip l y to say,. kept a proportion with the increase of . the. National expenditure. After allowing for the Loan, , &.::the Sinking Fund .was as 1.733 part of than debt; when last year it was onty a 77th part. I t h a d been imprnved since the War began, i , :micolatly by t h e p l an o f raising in:me ) , within the year ; so that there was every. romped of continuing prosperity. As to the Irish D.hr, that c , :uld not-be consitlettd as- c h argea bl e on Eaeland, .since it was actually ; mad- chargeable on Iteland, an d i nu s r b e sa fe • while Itelaod was Of her ah:lity t e l,iere been a pretty g p(1 , f in the' Taxes Ludy laid on, with the avO batiori of the Re preleotatives of that part of the United .1:41,00m.. lle could not v i ew the P oor R.td as a pro,er subjed• for the Re. snlutiors, as parochial burthens w're not applied to any pnrposes, flehopea to see the atten. tion of turned t 1: that Stli)j , :ktt at proper time. There would be nn knowin g where to draw the line, were they attitlit4, • Mr.„ JOntViTONE said, 'hit the 'Public Creditor would It.A to this Country for the discharge of. the De.br in Ireland ; he, therer.ife, thought it lair to include it. COR RY said,' that the Irish Treasury was never run to any extremity that gave the least ground for any such apprehension. Mr. FR4NGIS womhemf to to know, if the sum said to have been flue from the Emperor; were to be a Debt chargeable ultimately upon Great Britain.? It Was a matter of exultation, that time Resources of the Country had been increasing in proportion lo the demand, upon it, but he hoped that this triumph. would not be so indiscreetly expressed', as it would be by abandoning that system of economy which it was the duty of the House to preserVe. Of the in. crease of the Public'Debr, there was no dAthi, but of the augmentation of the means to discharge it, there was not equal certainty, and this eircum,tanee alone should be, sufficient to inspire caution. The Right Hon. Gentleman (Mt. l'irr), had said,' that as the Public Debt increases, the Sinking Fund gains upon it, He wished to learn if this did not arise from the diminution of time Funds, which w a s to ,he attributed to the calamities of War, If thii were the case, it woul.l he a singular source of satisfac tion, for it would rit, a in the ratio of time depth of nut misfortunes. A little might be seen of the difficul ties of the Country 'from the - emotive of the flour Rates, which were awed by the Accounts on the Table, at the sumo of five millinns 7 The House would do : well to recollect, while it was imposing Pew Loans, that every additional boatmen rendered the people less capable of bearing the increasing system of Taxation. Th e CHANCELLOR of the E XCHEQUER 1? .. A Nc i,), was s nut that the Hon. -Gentleman (Mr. correct in his conjeture respeamg the Sinking Fond. He supposed that its disadvantageous ap. pearance arose: from the decline of the Stocks. The truth was, that in the comparative Statement, the Funds were taken as part. The just cause of sans. faftion in this' particular, was the amount of the .Sinking Fund itself. Nearly Seven Millions a year of theexpence we were now incurring was taken Away by this, expedient. The application of it' at the present rate of Stocks - will pay off about Thirteen Millions, and that at.a period when our public ex. pences were annually Forty. Millions. With respet to the Debt from the Emperor, he sa id, t h at ap , plications had been made to the Austrian Governthent for .the repayment of the advances made by this Country ; but that they .were, ineffectual. The claim, however, was - acknowledged to be j us t ; b ut the distressed and exhausted state of the Austrian Finances were pleaded as an excuse fur delaying the discharge of the Mbr. • Mr;ADDINGTON said, that he might confirm almost every thing that had been asserted by the Right Hon. Gentleman. His Majesty's late Go vernment had made frequent applications .to the Government of his Imperial Majesty for the repay. ment of the debt due to this Country. They admitted the claim, and confessed that their honour was corm mit ted to the fulfilment of it; but that the situation was such at the present motnent,'as to disable them from repaying it. When the time would arrive fur their redeeming the pledge he could not pretend to say ; burthe demand has been pressed as urgently as it could well have been pressed.—The Right Hon. Gentleman then congratulated the House on the littering prosped which our financial situation held out ; and which appeared to be so very pros 'serous, that those vety ,Gentlemen who were in the habit of indulging in such gloomy apprehensions, now only warned the House against perMitting that prosperous primped to allure Government into any wanton expenditure. The Right Hon. Gentleman then went into a variety of statementa, to show' how very produaive the War Taxes were likely to prove, and that 'the favourable itroportint of the Sinking Fund to the National Debt would continue rapidly increasing, unless it were to be checked by some unexpeONfcalamity. It was doubly consoling that our means should be so great at such alnoment, for no moment ever called for the. exert ion of greater energy and vigilanCe. FRANCIS rose to explain, that he was fir frOM intending to promote despondency ; he neither felt a spirit of that kind, nor would .he - proclaim it within those walk, and before the Nation, if he were subjeo to such a painful impression. He was not satisfied with the explanation given of the Sink ing Ftnal, and wished the Right Hui.. Gentleman 'would indulge him with some further remarks, The, CHANCELLOR ' of the EXCHEQUER. said, the only advantage the Sinking Fund received front the present state of the Stocks, With relied 'to the comparison ;With the gross Debt, was, that the purchase was noW at 5 per cent. instead of 4 per cent. interest, so that on the six or seven millions there would appear an excess of about 70,0001. The Hon'. Gentleman would immediately see how Small an effect would produce on the ratio stated at 7'3' to One. • Mr. joHNS,TONE complaining of the fallacy of this statement, . .77.4. CHANCELLOR of the EXCH2QUER again observed, Liar .n 2783, ,when the 1 1 .4rliament direfled a million io be dev - iited In this Fund, the, proportion to the aggregate- I)cht was (Ay as t t o 240 ; that in Feb. 1803, it Was as 1 to 77 ; ;Phi at She present moment as 1 to 73. Mr. VANSITTART in 'rated the Debt of the N:t. tion, 1803, to be 538,4000,0001. and in 1004, 578,000,0001, being an increase of 40 millions. tic t.l D m e l b a t e d a u rciongmpaiison between t h e sta t e t.f t he fund. e 'the last three years, and said the in crease of the outstanding detnands was .1,260,0001. He next adverted to the amounr,of the Exclictioer Bills, which were known to he 4,500,0601. There were others, hut which he dui nut include, as they were charged on a fund which would Probably - be competent in i n e !et t h em ' ; and there was a deduttion !Oise admitted o f 2 , 700,0001, paid out of the general Aids. On the whole, ,he made the . augmentation of the Unfunded Debt , to be .3,910.0001. To ext in. guish which sum, were, the Supplies from the Ways and Means ; 1,000,0001. in the account with the, East India Company ; otststanding customs • at 'an hyp6thetical, but moderate itatement, z,400,ct001.; artteaal w ii o n u Llt n ie carly Property prnch t Ai9,:34,i 8.6 500 8 ,0 0. 0 1 01.; and the to The pro. visions tor. the year had been very large, and sup.. Posing a tolerable corral estimate had been made of the Ways and Means, the increase of the Public Debt in the present year would be very small ; both funded And unfivided, it would n ,t exceed 5,000,000. Mr. JOHNSTONE observed, there was a mate rial mistake in the Statements presented to the House. Twelve millions were got rid of because they related to Ireland, and 18 mtliions because this sum was in Scrip, and.not funded, Thus 32 mil. lions were disposed of, and.the congratulation went round on the occasion ; but he feared the public creditor would not be so easily pleased with this. mode of payment. Another objettion was, that the expenditure was stated for four quarters, and the re. ceipts for five, the one being reckoned ie the ist of January, the other to the ist of April. T hus an account was rendered founded on fietion ; the House and the .Public were to be deceived, and un these nugatory.representations we were to fell. citate each other on the magnitude of the public resources. Numerous causes of an increased expen. diture might be assigned. The .seamen were now only in number 105,000, but it was on all hands, agreest that they ought to be augmented to 335,000.; this would, greatly enhance the ex. peace of the Navy. The War had hitherto been only defensive, but it was presumed .another year would carry hostility to the •possessiont of the Ene. my . : this again would be an additional charge to . the Nation. All' these contingencies ought to be `provided for by the providence of Ministers. After a few words from the CHatmc sta.oit of the E;tctisQue a, the rtevious Questions were put and wiptc“irti, and the original Resolutions were car. riLd without a division. The Houte then immediately adjourned,. MAT LS. nui. . .. . 0 .. Harnbufgh • T E SUN. SOLE:! QUIS DICE ILL AIIIJkAT? LONDON, JULY 2s, 1804. Hts Majesty Ship Calcutta, arrived at Ports° mouth hum N ew S out h W a l es , f e ll in wiai at•sea) on the I,Blh June, an American Ship from Batavi a, the Captain o f w hi c h i n f orme d t hem, that when he left Batavia ,{,late not mentioned) the French Squa. drop under Admiral LINOIS was at that pl ice, hav ing previously att4Cked the English China Fleet, and been beat off. Dispatches have b.en received by G,,vernment from New South Wales, dated the t ith of IVlarcli, stating that an Insurrection had broken out there , which for some time threatened serious consequences , The Insurgents, who were chiefly United Iris>> men, assembled at Castle.hill, with the a vutsea objed of marching to Paronatta, and after plin 6n g the Tree of Liberty - at the Government Hoe , to proceed to Sydney. Their designs tz tic, ever,. frustrated by the adivity of the Goverinnot. The Insurgents were entirely routed, three hundred of thent were taken, or delivered themselves LIP; ten were seleetedi tried by a Court Martial, sentenced to death, four of whom were, hung.' N l3( ' tial Law had been proclaimed by the G.,vernor, but When these Dispatches came away, the Instil' reftion tvas eff.ttlually quelled, and the Proclamation of Martial Law was revoked. IT Mat be highly gratifying to the pUblic to fiod, by what passed last night in the House of Coro• mons, that the Sinking Fund, which was origirktilY a 240th part of the whole Dcbt, and was last Ye ar a 77th, now bears the. proportion of a 73i part Of the whole National Debt. This relative increase in the' means appropriatid to the paying off and extinguishing the Debt, notwirhstandi,ng the great accumulation. which that Debt has experienced within a few years past, affords an undeniAble proof of the high resources and prosperity of the Coun. try, added to. which, any further accumulation . of considerable extent is now precluded, by. the wise plan of raising the greater part 01 the Supplies within the year,--There wai 4150 something said, Out 'mot be, satibitctory to to , • though we may feel !ogre!, as it relmrs ry the resources of a forme! Ally. .Thc C HAI" C ELLOR 'of the F.xctistzut K, in ans , N rr tra 1 (to es• tion frotri Mr. FRANC(,, stated, that arplicaii'n had Leo made to the Court of Vienn.i, on die 'ub jed of the Imperial L :and that though it was not in the power at the ENIPEROR to diNChirg e it at sized in t t h h e e n i t i o a s r: o u f rie m qu r i . v p oo m, d r, te w ri a n s s. cxp T uc h i i :ly d c c c u l n 4• pest:iv, t he c l a im s o f t hi s C ountr y were rec o il' t on firrno by Mr. ADDINGTON• Ttts Giv.tte of lasi night confirms the statement ; we gave yesterday respecting the darmge sott-P le4 by the B. , allgne Flotilla on Friday night. it . 4. pears that only four of our Gun-brigs• were able I° get near enough to engage the Enemy ; but they Al c• ceeded in driving several of their Brigs and bugler s on shore, where they were' completely destroyed."' Many other of the Enemy's V essel s must W e been considerably damaged, anti the Naval 0 ' 11 " ~,,m ci e t at Bwilgtie most have as great lowers of invention as 'Admiral TREY I LIE, to convol this disgraceful flight into a trio hart conte , h the . British Squadron ; yet such, we have no doo bts it will be represented in the /110;/1104 On Moniiny evening the ROY:AL FAMILY walkd on the Terrace at Wiodsor, which was welt attc? ed by Company. Yesterday . morning at eight o'clock, the Itt i/4 FAMILY attended Prayers at "the Chapel Itoyi l l Soon alter nine n'cicwk Hl3 MAJIbTY, AccuilliO niC s by the PRINCE/13Es SOI.IIIA. anti AMt I.IA, O gil l; Cti by LAtiy - THYNNE, L .(t1 ST. HEL.k.14 1 :., Geo r ) , CART .s RIOUT and FITZKOr, took an ail log horseback - in'the•Gre.o Park. H E R MAJIII.I.Y ' sf i j thePRIPICESsES, with their ailetlit s mts, Nde Ff ogm )ft. Fier • , Aness the PRINO-- 41 F 1 i Y Y" g.-. WM. RI aril Vrti dt lilhory, limn the %eat id L. ' r f 'i PSTR B. where she had been on a visit, arid' 1:;:i ing embarked on board one of die yachts. " i p up the River. From the unexpeded arrival of t i ' a illustrious visitor, there was nut huli:ietil 11 ' 1 ' 4 1 1 4 any military compliments at Tilhory F ,r( l a . i l e muffling ; but on her return in the a t t erno°" . ii 3 Was greeted with a Royal Salute from lieGriiv° Volunteer Artillery and the t» )it 1) tteriei, -1 1 ). N C A 1 0 1 I '11)e Dutetiesi of Gottoo N has returned to a' r ',it Castle from Aberdeen , where she. had (ken 0 0 4 *- to- the Marquis of IIuNTLY. ',,_ ! W,IP il On Sunday a large detachment of the RoY"' ~,,110 Train gon marched froni Cdltterbury tor C ll .'' „ ,k;.,,, for the purpose of conveying lhe Camp Eq" l l l4 ' it the Guards to Bandin 0 Aviis. .;- . , 1,01" .1 The Warwickshire IVlititia, co:nande'l 4 oy , tab' , • ! BRobics, which has been aialioned . .it - '''' L ' i o.'u: these eight months - past, are Uti.iCi orders lvf 7 -1' hilt, where they ar t e to cncainv l 1