The Sun. — London, England, 1804-06-26 00:00:00

~ • . ' to brave every danier of the field, or of . climate, with outeany re i nuneration, except the mere soldier's Vay, or withotit much - chance of ever . rising above' the cond tion of a Soldier. the true ' It is in this- spirit that Forc, 't of the C ountry i s. to be found, for poor ind-ed . wtUld be the Defence of the Country, if it had,ti.o other Defenders than the mere pay of a Soldier could inspire to take up arms. It is, there_ 'lib' theory. of m i ne ;on the•Onntrary, at my :present ag , !, no theory of any man, however heauti- fill it may appea r , can weigh so much as experience and fads. The experience, then, of the last war, bas corrbborared the opinions I alw a ys formed Of the • tatute and disposition of those who. enlist fora sol dier's life. All thdse Who have been 'so enlited, in a;Short time feel a wish to be really Soldiers, and to see iFat ser . vice - wiiiZt 'others spegik of. It was on this .principle that the'Militia, So generally volunteered . their services, first is Regiments e arittafterwa e d s in- Aiiititially;. - lhe ready -and piompt over of the Eng. - lishMilitia'td sei-fe in Iteland,during an unfortunate Period; certainly 'Oot . 'it'ri6uted very much to the sal- V:lttiin'tif that ... dnitry. — Our grand Expedittuns to "Tolland •• and Eetli;re: were 'alio :much proMored,hy • the itiluntaft"- Ore of 'men tritist,l in• the I Villiria% T hose J Wtell:kribWe - tic 4.1115-ttty me in stipposieg, thOt • heneVer.a COnsidirable - -'nutifit.". oi • '.•men ert . r e e , r for , limited service, .they will'.'Ke'foTtit4 ready - 4o • ext;•en . d , . . 'iicii2:,erVices' when' it. tii . ali b neee'ssil6'. ' l i ll,-'s . - acid"'unis ta'n'Oe'iittillartO•thits'neW Addit , ional • Ft>rce, tillkh is iirolitised:by the present - Bill :in thi4Torce ; 'Nose who - enlist for, a li m i te d f e i nt ; w ill not o n ly l ',.,diseiplined rith, b ut assoc i ate ' with .e, thoee who tiaye n... b et . titi sl ed f or a inore'ge4eal . serviCe ; thy will ' ' 11 5-'''' - f 6 t; accriite • frcnii - them' the taste - of a • milltary life, and Wish to' he really Sold,iers, and ex leild ihvii: stvices W.' • rer i '... n" ' °F liEtirs he ex.ge , Y . , . Trii 1` ?t reii. . .. ~ , ...,I,eret, ‘. ; t uire; ' i llits Is a ciretnnstance in which j any the present" Bill has - a great idv;tetiage o'veY any other Plan - which has been hilltertO plesenfed 'to file consideration of Parlianenr. I certa ie. :. ::In 'heady ' to give ItFe `greatest praise 'to the Army of . 12,serve• Ac?, and to the authots cif it--it -was:that Aft which laid the futtrtdation Of die. present meA . -. sure; but I think.tlle'present Measure more likelyto, Produce impnriant cOnse4ne;cees hi obtaining a Liege 1.-)iSposable Forctr, than any 'I have hitherto heard stated. - There is'another very prOrninent feature in tile Present Bill; it abolishes ho Ballot altogether. hour,. although I certainly should prefer the Arnie .of Resetve., even With tile , :Ballut . , to no Army of Reserve, rve, yet I must say,' th at 'I f eel, in common with majority of the People in the Country, that there iS.sornethin myself g very un f a i r in the B ailor. As to , ri v •feelings; 1 t h ey were merely guided hV - i:•• interest, should, ,be in. . favour of "the Battor. I am, . myself, ,not liable. to the 'Ballet, - hut I am sure Your Lordsliii . •s •Witti ; when y'ou consider the reasrm ' I. am •nat. liable, natnelYr that I am , too pld, .be perfeetly disposed to give me credit, Ivheri• I 'asSere you, 'th a t I shOulti be very glad • that this objection did not lie agains t me, and that 'I was liable' to. the alike.: Bides int, there ate many. other. Noble Lords • in. the H , Yuse, as partiOularly my Lords the Bishops, who atenot hia: ble to the 13,11 0t.' Now,, if the , S7stem of IVlilitiai tir.Ariny of Reserve, was that every man who was dra-elitslibuiti s.trve personally, in that case it would t errairtly he proper that I, ott account of my'old age, and my Llrdi the Bishops, on account of their set. -- 17: -I ''' i ' ,3 'iunc.. sh ou ld b e exemprtfrorn this per. rat servic e - •but whe n i t•ii recollefted, that cur Militia and A rm o men wire ' h"'" f Res erve . are .not composed of 40n ing y been dr awn , thuse to, se rve pepet.allye but, o n the contrary,•t of men who serve as Substitutes_merely for Pay and Bounty, ps it May be supp O sed that 1,. and my Lord s the 13tserhaipmps., should have.as fill- a chance of.being ohligied to par for our Substitutes:as' the rest- of His ,m4j , :suy s subjeds, Thereis another ruinons . cireumstaoc e at. lending this "Army of &distil ures : if a man is not togeth e t fi ve leer:font- inches hi g h, h e i s not lia, ble to the Ballot, and is in:that-way aosafe as myself or the Bisimp s ; but then, althntigh be is safe from the Ballot on•account•of his diminutive stature„.yet he is alldwed to make a:;very..goba 'Substitute, 'is the standaid for a Substitute. is arily. , fi v e feet : two inches high ; ." If then 'any little mu . ofnnly five feet two inches feels a strong Military ardipr, ant.l. - a wish. to tr„,t a Soldier's, life, he is safe frt.i:n the. Bal , lot, and nt . ay. , plead his 'liitlerieSs ; I:itirbeerslaYeirn- metli.-+JeIY come-in as a Substitute and ' • 1: - . (AT th e' Bou.ntY. .S , ) tha . .t, e)t',c .1) - t in g 'men orrl itiiirrie qt . iffe ; and•my-I-49'rds"tlfe'lljkps the 11:i.lint is . nio.s.-t-^,iecj;- liany .favourabie to - men who aro loetWee.fiv e . feet two and fi vei-eet.foui inches' in statUre: in this re. qra - s then, there is a.M9,s,t;eViclent inertuality i n ri le .)a . , and as it.hasTappeatediti many of the wisest 2 - pen, as well as to the great majorit 1 4 th Ceaunt* Y yof th e Pe ople balair, . that the Ballot was 'in s o m e d egree and in Many instances hi h 1 oppressiv e it l'as'l'On resolved the exiin-rim- ' tot . of doing it , try .away, altogether. In this 'experiment, I hope and iivi tru i s n t ier t e l i a s t . th e .House - Will support His.Maje'siy'.s it is an experiment that I think likely to produce the musttiitinipowritiaint advantages. 'I con_ ceive (ha t to this be owing, not only a rapid _increase of our Regular Army and Disposable Force,. but oa • measure calculated' for the Permanent Deferice of the country, and_ which Would enable us to coMincnce any Juture War with vigour', ' and for ......- ever to- maintain that proud and i•rominent situation' Nvi hich. the, Noble Earl (Earl Nilo I RA) had declared (I he the only one suitable. to this Country, and tain wh ich, I trust, it will . be the fortune of Great Bri- I,►ri • . Lg: to mAintain i , , * • - The Dzikesf RICHMOND opposed the hilt 'both' in ass ti ' • and in - 1 , p ncipie, paste to.recolle6t the.grear force with which 80na ,,,,, now threatens the attack of this Country ..-- , vv _ e heatA of a Forte'of no less than 400,000 men, leil.dcd eettairdy by one of the first that, that ever _ li med- To oppose such a•force aSthat, he was afraid all our Regulars and Militia were not sufficient, andtthat I?P4_ll.our 'Volunteers' would be - required. He had a high _lnio rt of the zeal and spirit of the Volunteers, but portin g heeheard of General Officers in every part re , P_ te rting them fi t for aftive service withthe Troops of sou Line, he feared such reports were "- rytore from ~trtesy,: than their deserving ;" they had Certainly :len,te!ved ~well of ,th'e Country, from , thei r ready at. der.ton to its-cdll, but he could'by nolnearis-consi. j i.__.:_ , . . mi,-,1701 as equal to Troops of the Line. .As to : the "• a, he thought it had answered all:the purpose's fir %Null it was originally intended ) Illicit it 'had • • . been, spoiled last war , b y enco n n i g i n g t he tr!;.._o to q lit the regiments and volunteer into the lire ; it was this bad treatment of the Militia which dis gusted many Gentlemen fr6m h'aving any' thing to do with it. Consid er i ng t h en ' t h e popu l at i on o f t h e ,French :Empire to, be near so millionS, and our,po. pulation only ten, he thought we never coul4 pre. tend to keep up any thing near' an . equality With them in inilitary establishment,, but - should rely principally on our. Navy; which had always been considered as the best bulwark of this Country. Lard LIMERICK replied to the. Noble Duke he Said; that 'the Noble Duke had over.. rated the'po pulatiOn 'of Franet,- and .under-rated that of this Country, and that his Speech 01100 thp'yy)iole was of, a desponding nature: :: He stated the great services that the Militia' of every part of the EMpirehad done in volunteering their services, and therefore would by no means allow " that the Militia had been ruined by indiyiduals offering their services either to Ireland, Holland, or Egyv-. He -hoped the-same spirit would al ways ,be found to animate the Militia, and all .those Force:, which.niight enlist in the first ite''d 'service.' L'ortl WESTMORLAND, in a Speech oft con siderable•length, .e9tcred into the .Bill, both in its principle and details, with considerable ability. He shewed 'the - great' advantages Which were likely to Tesulr from the encouragement it would - give to the recruiting the.. Regula r - Army out of the. Additional Force,row to be raised,.andanswered many of th e obk:Aion'S which 'Wiere Made . to the Load i kTiiptiOiedsehe Bill, tinder -a sincere -con/tit:lion of (lie .of the measure, and condemned those-who i; - nputed to_ Noble Lords of opinion,, an intention of Supposing it to hatas's Vlinisters; n,i mcitiae ut atat nature itiflueneed him. Of many in AdMinistration he though. highly, and was actuated merely,-in-iris opposition, by a sense of dory, _'He .their en-egret' into. the consideration of m,my'parts.of the and shed what - appe a r e d Co him the ina l dequaci of the-measu're'.. .L.6I'ePSUFFOI,K - Con - dtailied the•measure as com plicated and-inefficiesit, 'and thought the, best fence of the Colintry.wouldbe an armed.population, and an immediate increase 61 the bispo.iable Force nr legidar-Artrry: Lord G REA' i'ILLE said,' after the imputation cast ,upon the 'opposers ;of the measure, by,:Nobi, I Lords on t h e ot h er side of the House, it was doubly incumben t on hiM tZr'Sitite'the - reasons which inSticel him todisapprove of !the, present Bill. These ini potations of - a - personal nature, he could not btit think ill suited to the measure, andill advised on the part-- of those 'whb Made .them. His experience •in Parliament had not known any thing rzserpbling their prevent cOfidua : before a word was advanced in .op•position, the.-propOseo of, the measure had as • serted that the objeaions brought forward would be altog'eth•er of a personal roituie, "and-not appllea_ to the measure itself.. This he berr , O , ed, on hi s , own parr, expressly to disclaim. ' Of most of the :Mem bers, of ;the present Administratinni' or at least some, he had the_ highest opinion, 'and entettained the , A - farinest. affcaiu n f ors t h em , and even now, after i woat had been alledged, it was his wisloandshould be his constant endeavour, to discuss, the question vithorit any - . personal, allusion -whatever.. He• would agree with the Noble Lord CklunoaAvt), that it was ailarneutable circumstance that, in a situation like the present, the Country ,was deprived of the' benefit of that junction of ,Parties and exercise of i ( 4 l ePt, that in his ppinion,,miglit have 'been ob iained. Having said s this by way . of .preliminary, in oorswer_•to the personal allusion • made by: the • Noble Lord on the,..othei side, he said,, he should advert to the Bill ; to - which he had a most decided objeaiqn, or rather a series of decided objeaions. It was not, howeVer,. in hiS power to urge any ,thing ne'w, or put' ,what had before peen argued 'in a 'more 'forcible POint of view. The measure, in his opini on ,' was li a bl e to f our, pr i nc i pal objz:aions--::lit, It Was unconstitutional; 2d, it was -appresiiie" init's'regidationa ;'3:l, it was inefficient to itsObjFa_;,..ioh, it w ou ld diminish theDitposable Forde it meatit .:to increase. The: princkple of 'the Plan, as far as'he could r eo'rpoilehend - it, was idapT ply 4 . la rge part of the f\oilitia I , Urce to the put- poses pf. the Regular Army.,, or 'rather to Crea're a new,aord: - larg e r f orc e , available in a Patoiculan,.vay,. , to the, increase of the Regtilar Ariny, and to render. the new and increased Forces permanent, He al : 10Vved;.that - in a meastrre partaking of so many Mat ters.of detail, it was .diffictilt exae.lily to ascertain its • direst princip'es, but s u c h it appeared to him. All persons 'agreed' that t h e bi sp o sa bl e Force of. the Country should be increlsed as moon, and toaSgreat an extent 'as possible ; but it was obvious the effefl of this till would be 'to prevent any •soch increase in therfirst instance ; for the'objea of this Dill was -eircurirouslyt o giVe a greater bOunty to men enter fi - ing the Regular Army through its stages,. than those who entered direaly; namely, the boonty given to enter the Army of Reserve, and 'that given to men who enlisted' in the Regulars' froth the 'Army of Re. serve, was conjointly hauch Mote than .what ,Was singly offered w men to enter at once-into the Re. • gulars. This, ,he contended, milt nechsarily'ope. rate in the first instance as . a check on theßegular Recruiting S erv i ce ; f or ' a Man now intending' to enter the RegUlarS, wOuld o by the operation of this Bill, he allured from his purpose, and induced,' foe' the make oCthe, higher bounty, to •enter the Army of Reserve for• limited service.• It was therefore inefficietit, and even :destriiCiive to its' objea.-•-= - - Adtiiiiting some men might enter froth the Army of. Reserve into the Regulars, Still this' would riot • establish the of tie unless it was shewri that these mew would not hajte entered if• this Plan had hot 'been establish e d. H e conce i ve d the contrary, -: and'that many' who'Would be disposed - to enlist for' the Regular Service would now be induced to en ter' for limited service, and for higher bounty. It was but justice to the late Administratio a io say; ' that their measure of the Army of Reserve was cal culated for a temporary emergency ; ' this, on the . contrary,.• professed •to be permanent. "As' far as the Force - was temporary and more efficient, he cer tainly gave it ,the preference- • It was found, how ever,' on experience, to require the recruiting of the . Reitilar Service as 'an established Plan -. when its' first purposes were answered, they s ro p ose d to suspend its operation. He thought there were but' two lspecies - of Force to be' encouraged, the pis"' posable and Limired ; and 'the Mili t i a was the best deseriptreln of the latter; it *as wisely coin. stioned by. our Ancestors, who made the Nos bilitV and Gentry, whom it. would not be right to send out of the Coutoryeavailaislto the purposes of National Defence. He entered into a particular detail of the principle and operation of the Militia Establishrrient, and expressed his decided preference fur that description of service, in a constitu tional point of view. The present Plan, however, was not only unconstitutional, inefficient, and self_ destiuftive, but also unjust and. oppressive in its means, or, as it had that night-been called, its tria chinery. It was the perfeCtion of reason in politics, as welLas mechanics, to obtain a given etre& with means of as little power and complication as possi ble. The present Bill, however, had a directly contrary operation. The efficienity was scarcely any, but the.power employed, and the complicatior of the means, was prodigious, For these reasons he thought it bad andinjudicious,and should not be deter red by any private partiality, (I:rafteaion from giving it his decided oppbeition. Private feeling, in this in stance, was over. ruled by a sense of public duty. He had, as he had expressed before, a preference; under all the circumstances of such Plan, to the Army of Reserve of 'the:late Ministers. He nevertheless approved' highly of the repeal of . the Ballottin System, which fell .unequally and. partially 'on dif ferent individuals in the parishes in which they were made.. It was, however r an efficient system, and when its evils and inconveniences were 'felt, the late 'Ministry propoited to suspend its ope rations. The .present Plan appeared to him to - ice principally •to have in -view t o remove this' Pallor, - And render its substitute perma nent.— I.le - expressed :his •satisfaaiort; 'that- the Plan of . raising men for rank was so stroasaly and so pointedly condemned :by the Noble Viscount at rite head uf the Admiralty (3eord ME LVI it) he, lilt his LordshiP, bad changed, his opinion. with re. seta tc it, on:Cseoeful experience of its bad; effeaa, ,yet he could .not but be 4urprizecl at this :Oldie avowal of the ,Noble.feeerd's opinion, In. faft, 'he was told, 'a 'Plan of that natuee.Was actually on foot at present. „if there.wereSany truth irf that repent, he a rustede froM what t he ir , Lordsh ips had 'now heard of the NobleViseounes opinion, that he would `exert his io4tience*.tse. have the,Plan snspended. He.ob.. jested to this Bill.farther, on account of its irregulae rity e'there :might be large - portions of pasture klis trias,AWhere there was but-little_ pooulatikm :and inOclopropeety, where no men could be had at-all. A great, °Nation to.the-Bill.was, that the men were to be foroished.acCording to_ the population e but she expences were to be calcolated according to rateable property,. ,This, in manohiaueing towns and dis. trias, where the population was great, and the rate, Mile propertrsmall, woul&create a burden which would be absolutely intolerahle. The quota of men was large in propoetion ter the.popolation, and, the mooeyavaseo be raised according to parish_ rates ; no.. tiling could be devised more uoequal and unjust:than this.it was stated, and that truly, that this was to be 'a Permanent Force, ,hot by whom was it to be paid for ? by local dist rids instead of the mass of the, pee), pie. Another objection was, that if a man could not be found in a paiish, others were to' be,fined for it when there was no blame imputable to them, anti this would fall entirely on the agriculture of the Country All who derived income from trade, from Mimulatttlres, from labour, from interest ofonsney in the funds, or otherwise, .were totally exempted from contribution to the expence of raising this fund; the whole of. it was to . be defrayed by those who already contribute to the poor rates. They : were to bear the whole burden of this (on that account) most unjust and oppressive measure:, It was indeed said, this was the case of the Militia, but the, case was not so, there were but few exemptions in the Militia, and the ballot fell; or was lialsde to fa11,,,00 all, alike, whether in agriculeuredr in trade ; but here itfellex. elusively. on agriculture.' He felt that the situation of the Country was such as respired our utmost.' ef forts, and the Couo try would not ne.wanting, provid ing they were justly dematuled ; but there was no partiality, oonseqUently no .justice in any part of this ; and therefore no great efforts were to 6 . e'eke6ed under it., e' He 'would not 'have said any thing Of-the raising Recruits, if it had lieenosossible to avoid dt, bitche w a esbound to - observe, that he did not see that the education ofot,CleurchSwarden adapted him to this purpo'se ; n or did h e ' t hi n k a farmer's education well disposed of byendeavouring to raise Recruits for the Army. He thought one Recruiting Serjeant more effi- Cient" for such , 4 . puepoee than, perhaps, all the Chuech e wardens in the K.ingddri ; and, to'say the truth, he should be sorry to see coosiderable 'farmers engaged in. ail . employment to. seduce ycuog Men into the military - service ; but he had no fear that any suchchange %vivid take piaCe in consequence of this Bill ;' farmers would not 'devtite their time td . such a pursuit, as thus •idling in .an alehotise and sharing boonties with Reerui:s." He i'as warranted in sav ing this, because - the experiment had been tried. Was it not Well khowei that last year Rec ru i ts could not be procured by the Parishes, whets they were al lowed to raise Subscriptions, and extend. their &un ties, and Was it to be expelled that .they could raise them .when all- - these gleans, were limited ? He Complained alsO of the i , exation to the Lieutenants ,and Deputy Lieutenants of the Counties under this Bill, _He had heard of the iliostate,O( oor-dee fence—Cod Grant we ,might t:e. so ; but that de. pended Much. upon the Volunteer ~ For,ce, Parlia inept had heaped Upon, them exempeion upon ex emption, and bounty; upon 'bounty, to induce them to enter into that sort of serssice. Now .they bad no inducement but their. own, zeal and patriotsim, which he allowed to be gtea . t, but certainly all that Parlianient had thought necessary i's 3 be done by way of inducement for men to ,became Vo lunteers., was co. be entirely .dooe ieway, for they lost every - single exemption they hitherto, 'had.— If this could be annulled, he should be glad to conceal it, but that ,was impossible . aria therefore every One Volunteer who . became such on account of the exemptions alkyl/co ,fo such a Charatter, would now quit' the 'ranks, since he gained nothing -by .remaining in them. , The last thing he had to take notice . of was, that -which the Noble Earl sta te d in h e t h e b est 'part of• the Bill and he must- say for his part, with all the objet_` tionP to all the' other Parts of the Bill, his objec=- tion was greate r to this than to all the'reit ; and.as the Noble Earl bad said, that if-this Bill contained nothing but that enaelmenf, it ought to iieiagre.4 he would say, if it contained nothing else that tied; jeaionable, it ought on- that account alone to be re, jeaed. It was that a ft e r a T reaty of Pe ace was signed, the Force still remained . capable of ,being Called into anion upon emergency. Whether we should ever again conclude a Peace that would in point of defence be more alarming than War, he knew not, but he should think that, provision - for 'peace shoold be left to the time when' it came about. He objected to this part of the Bill in particular on Constitutional principles, for it was a large mass of Force raised, not upon the principles of the'Mi s litia, nor commanded by the Gentlemen of the Landed In terest of the c o ur , ry; but . by Offi:ers of the Regular Artny, try witinn e for abilities 4no integrity, he loek4tao with perfea respes; lo:tt still this was not theoild system' of security t; - -t the Bri e fish Constitutioie 'fills Bill 'was dangeratis to the palladium of the British Constitution, -anti - this •of , 'course was the greatest objet of an-toir. -He had heard, not in that House, but elsewhere, -that this was aPlin similar to that which is the prevailingsys 7 te.n of all the gre'it•MilitaryGovernmenia of Eorope. He knew that to he the case, 'and it was because they followed such a system 'they were Military Governments ; but it did not consist-with the tree, fun of this Country to he under such a Military Governmente: Bzfore their Lordships agreed. to welt a measure, he hoped-hey would consitl'er of the. consequences of this Country being under a Military Government. He Concluded• with soling, he had trespassed upon theH6use toielong, but he w as un der the absolute' necessity of stating those vote, menes, by , which/ if he could -not ,convince their Lordships, he had at least convinced himself. Lord- *HAWK ES BU R-Y spoke in , answet to the , Noble Lord who had just sat doivn, at cnrishlerable • length; .He admitted - that .tife'Noble Lard had fairly 'stated. the -principle of the Bin ; it. went, first, ba raise an additional Permanent liMited Force, end see conitirilY:to . odd -considerably to: tite Regular un, limited 'Force. of the -Country. The Bill . was -founded on the measure-of - the -Reserve Alt of last Session,-which he contended had been More%effeated to its Objed - than any. military measure _Of the kind that had ever received the saki it'll of Parliament. r was 'therefore - deemed .. advieible preservee - the ground-work of that as a modified measure e .first, as in -the instance before their:L-ordships, - in reg - Ard to -aw-ebolition of the. Ballots; .secondly„ethe ieguiation or the fines; and thirdly,' with teip'ea portant . fioinCa-c . ornpetition., Thesobjea.Was to suspend all that ,avipeared objedionable firstl. mentioned Aet, and to engraft:upon 'it the salutary' and' beneficial regulation of the 'present measure, especially the putting end tooll - the competi:ion', with respea to the Regular Army. In regard to the Militia, were that the only Defensive Force of the Country, us was the ca s e w he n i t x s present eat was prop osed. The aggregate, number of 72,000 men was, by no means, with a reference either. to the circumstances 'Of the Country, or the si.` tuation of-Europe, 'too -large an 'amount ; 'but since that period a 'middle description Of-Defensive Force wag created, which in its eclat .obviouslyreodereel a Militia on such- in enlarged scale .unne.ceisary— ,Theßegulations.proposed by the . present Bill would enable Government to adhere more stridly :to the original Militia-principle ; the force of the Catin. try, particularly its DaCnsivee was regulated in its amoopt, by the 'circumstances in which the Coun try was placed et different-periods, as the War cons_ nieneing in 1 756, -and that With France in 1778 . In the last War, the Armies of the Enemy were mostly engaged upon the Continent ; but the beginning of the present War, the circumstances of the Conn:, try were such as evidently, required a Defensive Force upon a very enlarged scale, and the question which presented itself was, as to the Most efficacious mode of obtaining it. In framing the present mea- Sure great regard was had to the consideration of local influence in Recruiting, which, though not so great from pecoliar circurnstences, as in Scotland and Ireland, was still an important consideration in, this Country. Much had been said of the proposed fines.; to :which he would only answer, let those. provided for •by the present ,Bill, he compared to what was s exaaed by any preceding measure:: of the kind, and they would- be found moderate. in the extreme. As to tite regulation with respect to the Church-Wardens, he would beg leave to remind those who . harped upon it so much, that, the- measure was by no means-new— even last, year it was resorted to, and the numbers of men who enlisted into the general Service, even 'under the „regulations of the Artily of Reserve . should atignr• most favourably for the more -efficient regulation of- the present measure. The' Noble Lord. taped of the Levies of the great Military Powers of the Continent ; there the power of come pulsion existed; with us it was very different. In regard to the measure, in a Constitutional point of view, he warmly contended - that it did not militate in ,the smallest degree againit the Bill of Rights. And under these genera! impressions he decidedly suppOrted.the Bill. Lord CAMDfiis/ explained. Lord . GR At4Tl . .. EY' observed, :that the mode of re— , ctuiting proposed- by - the 'present Bill, had already been tried, and had completely failed. The House theta divided, when there appeared Fur the ad reading of the Bill, 84 Proxies ' e 70—ts+ . Against it - e 5 0 . • Proxies - - 15,_ .69 Majority for Mr. PITT's Bill Adjourned at Two o'Clock. HOUSE OF COMAIONS. ,MONDAY, JUN! 25. . SIR CHARLES BUNBVRY brought up the Report I ' of th CoMMi s ttee for making certain Regulations on , the ItiterBo * lirse of this Country' aud Ireland, with regal "'to Corn,: the Resolution. were read and agreed to. • , • . . , .. -. The Denmark Mint Bill was 'read .a third time and pas s ed, On ' the' Motion of ' Mr. STURGES I. BOURi4E. - WOOLLEN mA'NUFAC T U R E R S . Mr. H. L'A'scEiLis. moved the Order of the My 'On the Woollen , Manufaeturers' Penalty Suspension Bill, I