The Sun. — London, England, 1801-03-11 00:00:00

'Mr. FOX said, he was not in the Tlotile when the Noble Lord originally made his motion for the attendance of MK. Boucher, - Sic._ otherwise be should have ohjeted to it, for he believed the general pradice' Was, hot to.call Witnesses to the Bar without some ptevious declaration, that the House was going into an inquiry; respeding -which the -evidence- proposed to be brought for warcktould be made ,useful. When motions of this sort had been made, he apprehended the praaice of the liiiuse was not to call Witnesses to the Bar, _ut.til it was previouslydetermined that the objet for whichit was proposed to examine them was televant to the matter in . hand. • 7' The SPE.4KER observed, that the idea of the Noble Lord Was that Mr. HORNE TOOKE, ; being it Priest in Orders, was not eligible, to a seat in that House. ILI order to prove his being in Orders, he meant to call Witnesses to.the Bar, and the Motion he now made that Mr. Boucher be called in ; and in all this, he conceived the Noble Lord acted orderly, as -ate bad formerly moved that Mr. Boucher be re-, quested to attend. Mr. FOX thought the better way of would have been, to refer the whole subject to a Committee of Privileges. Was it a proper ground for the Noble Lord moving the examina ton of Witnesses at the tis merely stating -that, Mr. TOOKE.was in Priest's Orders ? Now he stated that one - Merrhbet . 'Xas a Priest---to-mor row, he might suy, that another was an Officer; a third, a Coumellor at, Law. But would this be pa rl .ground, to - proceed upon to require the examinatto!volWittiesses to prove . such State ments ? He thought this was an extraordinary mode of proceeding, as it doubtless, would be, if it should be argued, . that the Hon. Centle trwn opposite to him was ATTO.RNEY GEN E kAL and up o n a Mcmbf,tr's --expressing doubts of his eligibility, it should be proposed to call Witnesses 'SO .prove,the 1:14L • In the present instance, he 'thought the ITloue ought to ground its proceed ings upon some knowledge itst previously had, that a doubt was entertained, as to the eligibility of the Hon. Gentleman, on account of which it was deemed proper to examine 'Witnesses. ,Mr. IiRAGGE remarked, that since this was a matter of Privilege, it was not extraordinary that_ teases of this nature did not frequently occur to dired their proceedings, or. that a Committee • Pri6letes was not now in the ordinary exer • cise of its fun4ions ; :but it. was not at all extra . ordinaty,if a person returned to Parliament under the peculiar circumstances of the Hod.. Gentle man, aryl withinit there having been any 'PetitiOa presented : against this return, if a Alembtrr in his place should take the matter up and Say, that such a person' was ineligible. This was doubt le.s one mode of calling the, attention of the .House to the subject, in . the manner in which the, Noble Lord had adually done, it; and that. spch a th.ttlt was pradieable for him to adapt, could admit of no dispute. if :the Noble Lord had said his wish, was to move .a new Writ; that, in the present instance,-would have been premature. .111r..FOX said he was,, at a loss it, know how far any Mkuilaltr of Tarliathent. was justified in caltLig , for the :examination 'of Witnesses, merely .by stating fads which might lead-ow to a very . unpleasant examination ; as, supposing the Noble Lot'd had chosen-,to move for Witnesses to be called to the liar to examine into the Hon. Gen tleman's Qualification. He must therefore re peat his - Apinion,_ that the House ought first to sandionAhe Proceeding itself on which it ground ' ed -the examination of Witnesses. . Mr. TOOKE.—" Mr. SPEAtEIti I am bound , „. to resist the present Motion for the intromietton .cti. u Witness, not that I jhave the smallest 'desire in the world, to delay, or to prevent the discus.. • sion of-the main question which the Noble Lord wishes to dikiiss.. I only desire that the discus, sion may :be ,and fair, • and free ; and as far as I have been able to discover any thing that resembles a principle which the Noble Lord has brought forward, I will, to the best of my ability, aid and.. assist him. I beg_ the House (they will. easily do it) to recollth the previous proceedings of. the Noble Lord .upon this subject.----Three weeks ago,, when I was sworn at the Table, his Lordship gave notice that he should, after the expiration of fourteen' days, if no Petition was preferred against me, move this HoUse for a Committee . toioquire into the state of the Representation of old Saluin.----(ffere there appeared to be expressed tOme.dolibi of the accuracy of the st ate f tior I ) I say yes, for I heard' it, Sir: Afterwards Tattended at the -expiration of fourteendays, fifteen days., and sixteen days, in my place, hut nothing was mentioned on•thiS matter.. On the r7th indisposition,,and a pretty severe indisposition too, kept me away ; I found on the' 18th that his Lordship, in Any absence, -had given notice to the House that he should on this day; the toth,of March, make a - Motion re.: spetzin the: eiiiiPity of the ltsqv, Mr. HoRNE Tooka to a Seat in this House I attended on that day ; his Lordshipthen told me, for I was going to ask some explanation, his Lordship told me—T should say, came tov me—and . very' handsomely (and • still more, haodsbmely ; would it have been, if the `subsequent proceeding had been consonant to the pm for proeeeding) said he would not tell me what sort of a 'Motion it, would be.—This was on the 03111 day.; the Lawyers had a ditlieulty ; ,the Lawyers, his Lord ship said, had not been-enabled to determine what - sort of a Motion he - sliould.be enabled to'make on • the subjcd, but he • told .me, I shall be able to tell you what shall be the Motion, on Tuesday. I 'spoke-of indisposition. He said, if it was inconvenient for me to . be in my place, would send Me word by letter.— I attended, however, and then his Lordship„in _stead of informing me of any thing, made a new Moti6n, w'ithout any notice whatever, for the examination of Witnesses. Sir, I . tolsl von, and the House . , 1. would. willingly save his Lordship the !trouble, *acknowledging then, as 1., do now, that upwards of 42 years ago I - was 'ordained a Priest. Sir, I' then understood, from your au thority, that such ,an admission was not proper to lv.! receiVed and atted upon in this House. I ought to renumber some of the- Proceedings of this 1-louse, and to have a knowledge ofetliem's forl have been- -insehe custody of the. Serieent at Arras, ittending this House; and froni";thae • knowkdge I do aver*lt to be the constant s pier4ies i of this ifeuse to..take the admissions of: parties as evidence of- facts---And you. do well to: e s less such admission as evidence, for you never can have any better in, yotnesitaation i : it is the best_ evidence you are capableof feceising- 7 Hakes on fitentein'Tem. " You cannot have evidenceupon-oath;sforeyou 'are not empowered to administer it'at yo4r Bar. !, Can you, therefore, have better evidence thins -the admission , of the party - himSeifi Certainly you cannot, and it has been the, praaice of the Houses under that idea, to receive, it. You have even gone so far as to ask a man at your Bar to . criminate himself; for when a Printer has Veen there, you have asked, him whether he was the Printer of : a .certain Paper s upon his aeswerine . ---:" Yes," he has been sent---where he deserved to go. Sir, I lielieve the fairnt:;:.3 and jes_ Eke, on 'which depend the honour and dig- . nity of this House, will lead it to concur with me in resisting this Motion, unless the Noble Lord will - come fairly and fully forward -with an explanation, with what he means to fol low it up...--Heehas . not done so . ; I believe- his Lawyers have advised him not to do it ; for he • would have done the same, as be told me in pri- j state, ; and to night, to the House, he has said he would have done the -same thing to the: best ~acq uaintaece in the same situation, as lie now does so-me. I wish, for his sake, and I hope .nsit, for where there is no enmity and no hope -of profit, there can be no motive to, impose on' others. I hope it is not the habit of the Noble Lord to tamper with Lawyers, to engage: them gratis to look for a flaw in another man's title. I believe this Motion springs not from personal enmity to me, for I- do not believe there e is any perSonal enmity, to the upon Earth, -but from po litical animosity." [Order! Order! Chair! Chair! was heard in several parts of the I louse.] • The SPEAKER said that 'the Hon. Member would be pleased to abetam:from attributing mo tives to any body. • • • Mr. TOOK.-- " I !Seg.Pardon of the Chair, -arid of- the House too, if what I said was disor derly, .hut although the Noble • Lord could. not have tmeant to allude to any personal qualities - an me; ygt he did allude to thy principles and poli tics.--=When the Noble Lprd called on the HoLise to pet out 'of its consideration every thing which _Personally relates to me, but called on ,the Hob ie to take info consideration 'my principle and peli. tics, he was heard without any interruption, and he ought to be so ; so should I, when . l . call upon the'House to-do the same thing I not only- call upon the House to do so, but Implore' the House to do so. I implore them to take - into their con. sideratioe, my private and. my public. eharaaer; my morals, and my public principlese the 'adieus which i have,ast, and the whole of 'my life. The House is bound to take them all into consideration, because, on thesel nidan' to rest what I have to'Subthit to the' 1-lOtise • b .1 claim House. msrit with this The Aft which•has teen so frequently alldded - to for the Settling of Elec tion Contests, known by the name of that Noble Lord's ancestor,. Mr. GRENVILLE, and which haS justly been the subjeel of aPplause repeatedly throughout this House ; I inn the cause of----the A of the Noble Lord's Grandfather' I pro duced. 'lf there be any Merit in that Aft e 1 am the cause of it, for I was the 'cause of the Aft itself; and those who are old enough in this House, know 1 that :to be a faa,—Thosd who were intimate with the Noble Lord's Uncle-- (`Order!) He was a stranger teeme.' I Mill shall be in Order; I trust"---.-{" Order! Order ! Chair! Chair!" resounded.] - . The SPEAKER intimated- that the Hon. Pen tleman.did not confine himself to.the-rules of Or der in debate.. Mr. TOOKE.—" I intreat the-House toeonsi der, that -unless the brains ;teal minds and under standings' of men are formed exaaly 'alike, -it is iMpoasibree foe one man to-say -what another in tends to Utter; it, therefore,' is impossible. for. another to say what I am going to - utter, hence it is generally a little difficult, until a man has got to the end of his.proposition, to judge well whether he is in Order or not. I trust I am not imperti nent, and I meati by impertinent,. tu speak to that which does not belong to the thing in. cliscusOon. Upon My honour I do not ttink 1 do so now, - but I . have a habit of reasoning, which to - some. -per sons May appear odd, because they 'mai , not be used to it. I like to state things in the begin ning of a debate, which' not only every impartial mind assents to, -but which all minds are likely to assent to ; this I do by stating thiiigs that arein, ilemselves never disputed,. and there - may be some who will not see . immediately what use I intend afterwattls to make of the facts, after the conces sions -are made. There are two modes of reason ing ; the one is to state at first all'yott mean to . prove; and then proceed to prove-and draw your conclusion ; another, to begin at the other end, and to'olitain concessions 'as your go on, and hav ing had them, to proceed to'dedoce wmething out of them. This is the better way of the two; if you suspea the person -you have to contend with,• or who you my have to speak to, is not impartial; and your- reasoning is good- for nothing if it will not sometimes, as occasion - may require, suit such.persons ; for if-you convince none but impartial men, yOu do.but little, 'since such a man seldom wanfs much. assistance from any body - , if he 'las. but diligence. I - was speaking of the Grenville Mt—l have said who was the cause of need not praise it—The .1-Low-knew the charaaer of it. When the success of the Noble LOrd'shalrhave been compleated, if he shall suc ceek•it will only give him the honour of incul pating the House in the disgrace de defeating- the whole of the Aft - of -the Noble Lord's Ancestor. I'am speaking- to the real Question' before the House, although it may seem otherwise- to .sOme who hear me, and the heart of- every man who either regards the Rights of this House or of the Individual, who wishes to protcft Eitkter - Public or .Private: Property,: ought ,*t6 1 ti he e - f . faged---for-ic, +he D.4oiott, of the 4obic I:ord:s-ac cads, - an4:h obtairt) his lobjeft 'Of volino' , P . , _ out of this . .. .1 , • . . ;Irle , and exploded pratticia_of th,i‘l-lour4c,„ . such u4gry corrupt Aeturns, (11)r there have been such . things) will be revived .and be .. in full - force. Nov thi .obscrvatiott I pcpea. to apply, to rricn of all grin.: s si pies , an 4 even u - t - Itoie vulul tiafiq no 'maxi-pie.. If my 'observations should be:of that character, ;1 sh ould4*-- are- to-suetiee d .::'•ll a fliatitonfilierhir . arguments, or . - üblerptions to, the good alone, he can never stice'ceri lo a 'are'"at extent. - If yod can_ not take a great.,psiiion of-the bad with you as well as the good; you Iv ill . 41 . mve no chance of any considerable .success , in th is life.. Atli IT shalt come .dirc4tly to,the, question before yotk;and here I-ap .preliend theLaw : yersi,foy . they well understand their INsinkls) will convre!lend, what I am going to say - -LI olie b li'to - esteci,l the profession,. of the La‘i. , •-•- indeetl- I love it -; —fo.rt y -4i ve years ago, the now Lord Chief justice of England and myself clues.: -.eel as Students in :the Law, ,together, iola Tem, ple,• oil the saw day.- 'The .profession of: the 1,a , .V wanny oiiginai destination I say; I - . line the profession of the...l.aw;.augenany-of ,itS.P/o lessors. I wish to Goit 1 could always api7-rOve of all,.thcir . praetices-- 7 -Viit._dolza an , u:liii ; , %cab their motto.—The . Noblc Lord ran -to taWypt S— it was the . dtlty= or its. not. the - dutyi . it--jvaitre priEtice of af,Lawyer,, considering . himself . as. an, Advocate, to tell - die 'Noble' Lord hew he -should be likely to succeed, ar;d - the Lal4erS •?.iVi - seci the Noble Ltard to raok; hustle of.it,_ rid to throW a 1 things beloniing the ease into con and- to get a . liimping, plumping Vote. of the liouse, and keep the -real -Trierits of the case out •of 'This was consistent enough 'in Advocates, for the more -injustice.ir Conceals, the more credit will they gain_ for' their skill. But if the liouse .will -attend to me, I will lay the CaS . C.before,thern in away that will satisfy every man in it, whether he be for me or against me : I will.put the question so distinctly, clear ly, and ; in. a . . - light 'tliht 'shall. not be technical,: itfid in a -way that.. oot only .ekery Country, creoileman, but-evea a Lady ,hall under stand it as .eiisily• •as the deepest- Lawyer in. the Howe : and this. is the . Way. in I shall, en deavour. to. do it. It the duty of The House, as I .talte..4 to consider the e Qi u t under different heads,: if the question is' to bei,,whether I. shall sit in this House. or .not ? Or, rather, whether L an'sit in thiS . lloase.hy Law Now, in. examining • this _matter; the .'first -question undoubtedly will. -.the .House--r Is there, any specific, .or . ..l.posiOve, Law . against my sittiog in-. this H - o EMI .therre- . is not, is pretty evident.. from. the. coupe which is now pursued. - If not, .the nest question. will be, What other law shall we resort to-? The Points then ito.,be considered Via-arise out-of the Canon Law. Upan:Ehis there wilLarise five questions ; that is; supposing that there .is no spe. cific- law against: me,. hie]) .rake-for granted for the present, and which,. if there is, may, and. no doubt will . be - produced ; there will arise-five questiohs, • and - I , shall. insalf.be. very happy, if. every one of - the 'five points should} be decided aglainstme,- .If one of:themis tkcided-in my fa. your, doWn at once „goes the whol. of the Contro versy. I state the thing. in this way_Under.dAs. ti (lift 'heads, for as it now stands,: it is miclt'a ture..of confusion,. that,,Some men's minds have been puzzled, while toy .o .'n has .been nauseated' at .the contentron :it has produced already. ~But the only way to -get. out of that disagreeable.si !.tuation, is .to reduce the thing ,t_ei4nethed; under distin& heack. • .Fitist then,:l say; -that if there :be no positiv,e.law won this tubjea; eve must re sort , to the Canon 'Law. Does, the Cu non. Laws-bi nd the proceedings of this House I= - Sir, lam not . ar. guing the question, but shdwing thelfouse upon Nvilat course they must go to lay-the foundation of a just decision on .this cdayi. ,- Thee next qtlestion will be, How far, and in what . mffliner dyes the Canim. Law: bind even the clergy ? Does' it bind them out.of the profession ? .Does' ie follow them into civil life ? The third question will be, Does the Capon Law;binCl me who liave-been•a Priest That involves another,. which refers to the cease of, , a person who has taken Clerical Orders, but who has renouneecl. - them: add become a Layman ; and what are the , conseqn,nlce if he does ? And . the Noble Lord will recoiled. 'than upon that, if decided in one,way; will rest the hole ct,se ; there will be no question upon C lericalOrders, they are not bindiw , on one who hat renounced them - iu become a Layman. Then; nay, befilre it is possible for this House tolorm a correct judgment, these three points I hairy. stated must be determined, ar ? d, thedefertninatiOn of One of than in one' way will put an end:to ; the. whole dispute. There will, however, supposing the, aceision of that last ro be in-the affirmatiVe, remain two questions ne cessarily. to be determined.- Can the Canon. Law legally bind the proceedings of this libuse. Hort long will it be . betbre I ;1111 be able; O make this I House deterinine that. in the affirmative ?-4halt the old Proverb, of once a Captain always a Cap ' tain, he. made 'to :apply to 'a Cergy man ? Now, what are the•• Canons •applicable to this point ? ---There' are two Canous, both relating to th same point--that is, that -a .inan in Hu: :: Orders shall not wear 'arms, nor shall exercise 'the office of 'a- jnstice: of the Pence. These , are pat, back:, The other, that no ,Deicon or Mi nister shall, at any time relinquish the order, and use himself as a Layman.—Why, it must theii appear that a seat in Parliament calls for such funktliOns and duties as are • tetallyx triffitfOr a pet- son who hai received Clerical Orders, and it mu - st be determined that a .seat in Parliament is that sort of using a- man as . a Lzyman, that he - cannot sit. ip this .House . withoueoffending against the Canon Law, and that - the Canon Law is - binding . oh this House.--Now: 1' declared. that I did not Mean to argue either of these-pOinte•;. I - intended only to.state them—l shall keep my ward.-=--But I desire the learned Gentlemen of -this }Muse, whatever their wishes may , be, that they. ma take this matter up, and try their-skill, upon it, at least I shall have greatsatisfaklion in the ester tion of their skill, for they cannot exert it without committing their charigters to whatever they say, hat ct tit r : fir and the higher-tn. lar. .." 5 - be - the respon3ibility of its 0%. I.r the u.,e he puts it to. - 1 'shall be glad ttr them s. y, whether an honest and fair judgment tan be given on this sullied Without discussing one of these points which I have stated. Having said this; I can only aild, that - I - Mtr . sort' to have troubled the House - .so 10ng . .--my. r .wologlil, that r : the /\ - Tfiihle . Lorcflas7ealt on topics that made it necessary. 1, will just, by*, the %van -olisetve :personally, that -17 not only intreat hut.calLon. the House to pay- but tittle ren-rd to any observation which-some men may Make: upon their having a` large stake in • the.COuntry'; from. whence they- Would infer, "that there is every security which can be desired for.: their .Ptiblie*irtue—Sir, I have . ti stake-, and a deepstakc, in tilis_country— stake not . .stolert , from' the:, public - hedge, but plant id stake 'that I would _not change With chi-Noble •Liird glad all his COnneaions . put together. His' slake Carirtiotbeaugineptcd or in., cr-iased. but 'Out (A 4 .*t he 'public .stOck 7 —_-but I have . othaLuneins,.,and which: cannot 1)e angtnented but aiding to the es.;Faciion - seoclz of ilappints - and th e :pulairo - IrOielit - cf .: Mt:-YORKE said,ll6Wished,to-say a-very few . tvtirdi Merely. to - the ..order, of this. proceeding, not. al , ;111 to'• t ; they ito ld 1 ).4 - dht " llSs . eti , h.:;• - eaftcr.. :The question note Was,' whether the .pious -v/jAild• can to • the, Bar . a.W itness who at_ recd in . ptir . stiaiice. of .the 'order of . tile 1 lOu.e, the m purpe °tins being called there ? ' Much . of the reasoning .of The libts...,Gelti.eman (Mr. fox) have to the sues . tion,. whe. titer the' House should - order the- Witness - - co:at.: . • tend or not, li:it.'vv, 4 . ,ynol,y, in his an'rehension, ~This, e ase, as he.undcr, ood 'had urn reforence to *I Ott y..N . v k. I.: I s Bill ha t the 1-touse- had already-done - uron this ..httiness appeareiLto liiiiuriot,to be improper, and ficoul4l not Be)p- being -'eurpi;zed. that a inats'of the the- :ll:chant able Gets. ..any dif fieulty .of :Ails- . The..M.ciuse _Must, some how or Other, :ha lie , eiridence:Ort h e fad 'laid proposed, to be ioctuireditiro at•the :Bar„ — prev ions 4 . _c;iediscassiort,ofqte-getetal ,cpcstk or was a Y..ery imporlam. one, namely:, whether. *eine(' a- Priest eduhic•Zii:the principles of the cquilitution. and the .u§irges . of Parli . 4 . avent, „sit .thittliotise 3 The - Nrotion Lovi !_before•the rcl 1-10 ti to-that great discussion; 2nd he was. not able. to4e4 , ,the cdree of ansrAtion :that444 hitherto be e . stated to the 11thition. • . . _ hgcl IsteeetrliiiTiVai - at sass terition.to 4vlfat had hitherts3 \tt, tY port of ' . .the, Ntiloqion nosy.. hefOre the puss' hot . h 6. hut -.heard ' ,prece4ent quoted lavOtir Iling to..tliellar of .theHous .4.. witn ess -in sUch"a - proceedirig..aS this:. It a its true, thc. iiess- was brought, here,, but -that .did not that the Hoits&must_exatnjne_ liitn that the rt~tr•c~. .tion was important he admitted, bat the: more portant it was,- the. ntdre it saws.. necessary that, its discussion should not 'be m arked by a viOlazien 0 - f thd proceedings of the • [11,474 sewer - at Itl Mhi s crird ctil ti E Sltni.o ' AP acrd ..14 - a- sat ivtwt.] . ) Mr. thought it was - noC p r iZ e ' r • t antiCipate the 'discussion of the merits of th e neral,question - .of the 4igibiljty of a-Priest to 4it -in the Houseof.Conutions, - i Ic was of opinion tha t ihe.offer- of the Hon.: Gentleman hintelf to admit the fits' of his being a .Priest, iould.tot, 4On true principtcsoflavis-be•acceptedby thelldit4e, be I tte -the es . tablishmetit of • that fat -conclUded; rerh a p fp upon the interests- of others •as well as those t h e H o h, G ent l e ,' r: 49 .. It might:dill:et ;eights' -of the . BOrOugh of - Old : Sartim, .and .theiefolie.46, • thought the 'House had.. rightly 'ch . :tided the other„ that AYitnesses., should. be examiner} to Pro've the fael; instead of taking the admission of the HOn. Gentleman,, that ..11& had.liten ordained He:expeed, from , the talent's and 'E:teatcape_ : rience of the Hon Igentlernan who otTosed this ;Motion - alr, .that he would. haye.furnish- ed'the House with Ow preeenents; to shew.that. this Motion Wlt's.'repitgnant to. the - Usual pratlim: of the House, and if. this Wils not, that he would'. 'have advised the House what was properl'.'tfe:h4ct done no such ..He owned he knew not what -the HOuse would do With the subjea tlCfore it, if]•, thZlViineS§ no(CalT('; , .l,..i . or until thatcour se .; :Was takeki - ,`66,sria woUld be established before th tiolise;Whereon_to- discuss the e neral. q Uestion ; w4thEr : a :Pricit was eligible to a *ell in the House of Coniuons ?. the la& . wa s - establish_ ed, that the - Hon. :Gentleman was a Priest, or had been Ordained 'a Priest, there was no fad before thiltomd; and, tifcrefor, if the House cistertaii... ed the question at all,' it must entertain it in -.the, shape of a :dty, ahmaafproposition, a mode of,. proceeding to ‘Ol - lcii the House would not be very par -he.- bplievecl; were, It .Wotild - 54ata have business - enough upon its hands. fr.alipert . red to him it li•ould be a:very great saving of itr - to.exaniine Wito.esscs. at the flat t 0 a tot' ques.. - tions; would not take. up . five minutes; to grand a question afterwards on the . general sub jetf. But if the I Touse - should note decide that the `fitness should.not becalled in,tt would dppear thae . the former order for pus attendance• Was 'an hasty a nd,urfadvisetl exercise of power; ,and the Haase wcUld have to proceed . ;on lh' generid.question,. without - a 4 . 30 on . which to builil'aity argutitixt.' As to,the.questiou itself; of the eligibility; be . gave no opiniou,',ld. he holdother academe* would atbstaill from that nntil ; the.prorer :sea-11k Niuld atrik•for .tll - 4ctwilig - -it i when, no 46144 it .wuameet - with that attention .whieb -- a pow t -merited . . - D,EI! --spotie also' to the other of the s pi o c e eaink of the.146.6_ , ,e. lie took notice of • . • he .oiri tiop of anljonourable - Getitlemen ,(Mr. Fox) _lO this- Motion, and whiclivpo6itiort•-was diitinguiihed lor that strength of reasoning which- might hive been ei peeted . from the quar, - ter fiorn whence ii carne--tor the Honourable Gtatleman' shad nit -made the • least don between the examination, of a Witness at. the Ear ,and the pcoduaion of Papers .to the House : the House -was in the daily prace tice of ordering Papers,- preparatory to the discussion of the subjct to which they rcferred,'