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• • whom their Lordships had seen at their Bar, In bringing his plan for its amelioration to m rity. an. He therefore had a Bill drawn up, the par tici:du provisions of which he should not then detail, but he proposed to present it on Monday, or to move ,for its immediate printing, with n view to circulate it as widely as possible, and to which he should beg their Lordships' most ear nest attention: Lord GRZNIILLE, on seeing the 'Earl of DARiNt.rY in his place, observed that it was pro per, on precisely the same grounds the House had judged it ,neeessary, on a former e vening, naMe iy, on considerations' of Pnblic Service, that the Noble Earl's intended Motion should be further deferred. He would therefore propose, that the Order for taking it into. consideration •on Friday se'linight be discharged,• and renewed for thefol 'jag Monday. The Earl of D A RNLEY - said, that having come forward, as he trusted it was obvious he did, solely upOn public grounds, it was with great reludance he agreed to postpone a discussion in_ volving points of the last impOrtance,_whiCh he thought could not be brought forward' too early. He, remained precisely in the same opinion he did on ,a . former night ; indeed the events of the in terval, onlY.servcd ,to fOrtify him in . it. How ever, he would now say, as he had then,, that did the general; sense of the House appear in favour of. postponing it, agieeahly to the wish of the Noble Lord, lie had, no Objeaion, to the Order' being discharged in the wa y propoed. Lord HULL AND, rose, arid with a cpnsidera. ble. degree of ; warmth, contended for the neces sity of going into the proposed Inquiry on as early.a day as possible. He seriously ,recommend ed. his. Noble. Friend, not to,agree, to the pro. posed delay. He insisted, that the Country had been brought into circumstances of unprecedented ealaMity and peril.; ..it . was obviously necessary, therefore, that 02, Solemn and earnest inyestiga, tienvsliould be,instituted into the causes of these dangers. and , distresses, and to, ascertain' the Au thors of theni, , Therumours.of important changes in the Administration, or. the Cooncils,of His tSTY, should be an,additional incitement to that , flouae to institute the Inquiry, and still more, if these chatiges were about to take place on the. giounds assigned to them by report.-11 Was 'full time that the House: should step forward; ,tray be, in conjunalon with the other House Of Parliament to the Intriry, ,to sift' the sub_ jet tektite bottoms-to discuss baldly and manfully, the interesting topies' that presented themselves consider the fatal consequences which may arise front an inefficient Administration, and above all, if ihe. divisions and changes in .the Councils of Administration preceded the agita tion of the Catholic : question, the conduct of Ministers:respefting which, on a formeeoccasion, caused, or at least was one of the causes, of all the devastation: and bloodshed which,had taken place in the Sister Kingdom:. While the measure ofthe Onion was on its.prOgreskihro.ogh Paha, .. • , ..res4nt,..he.ladrepeatedly pressed..Minislers ip, that • : House,.; reltitive to the ; great question. Qatholits. He' had lialled upon them explicitly to state what these People had to ex - pea in the event of a Union; he had, repeatedly expatiated. upon the importance of thar point, and had abe s vn that the,cause of .calamityin one instance, might produce it on a future occasion.—About. this part of the observations delivered by. the Noble told, to the above effeet, Hit Rlyal Highness the DUK E,oj CLARENCE rose to Orclex Jie submitted it with deference to the House, whether the proposal of the Noble ..lord,near him, fbr the discharge . of an Order, and to postpone it. for two or three days, would bear out the . Noble Lord in the line of observa tion in which he .was proceeding. Lord HOLLAND said, that no Peer could more ehelrfully eubtilit to the Orders of the House on all due occasions than himself ; , but he : would beg leave to observe, with all possible deference to die Illa;triOus Personage who had deSnied it proper to call ..him to Order, that he conceived perfectly in order. He was about to give 'idea of the awful situation in which tbe Country was placed, . and the necessity of imme. sliaie inquiry into the' causes of it. He was prO. reeding-to illuStrate the relation which the cir cumstances .of Ireland, with respell to the Ca_ tholie Question, bore to the precise, point then under the etinSiderat ion of the House, when His Rval Higbaett rose 4gain, and moved the Order for the exclusion of Strangers, which was of course iiifOrced„, and which necessarily pre cludes us from detailing the remainder of the conversation.. As we could' colldl, the affair terminated in a division, the'numbers of which were, For postponing the Order for summoning the Peers upon Lord DARNLEY'S intended Motion, 35 Against it, 8 Dilajnrityt We underitood that, subseritiently, the Bill in. trodueedby the Mike of Btto F Cnt D i for exempting certain persons from the payment of the Assess. milts to the Poor Rate, was read 4 second time, and committed for Motxiay. We were also informed, that the following very hiteresang proceedin7, in the shape of a Resolu tion, took place on the Motion of the Duke of BEnt•otb, and Which was seconded by Lord CAR it i4O lON, respetting WASTE LANDS. " That, this iroutie having taken into consider ' ation the Report of the Committee of last Session of Parliament, ,appointed to take into considera ki:,) 50 nwoli "Of . Ins Majesty's Speech as related to t he Dearth of Provisions, are of opinion with coMittittet, , that the most effeetual Inca urtfrcil prevent a recurrence of a deficiency of he 'by : giving further encouragement .Itttlosttrqs, in general, and particularly of Waitts.,o4H:itleultivated Lands. t .,, AaitibiatkiiicteAolutjoil be referred to the said. Ctnnmittte, and that they be ordered to take it i►titu - their most earnest consideration, and to re.. pory . to the Ifouse the best means of carrying - the same into effect." Their Lcirdships then adjourned till !milli)* eleven o'clotk to-morrovi, when a meeting qtke§ place merely for the puriiose of attending Divine . Service, being the day appointed for a General , Fast, &c. Hous'E'oP COMMONS. THURSDAY, FEB. 12. ROYAL APPROBATION OF THE SPEAKER. THE Deputy Usher of the Black Rod came in to the House, and said, that the Lords Commis sioners appointed by _virtue of Hi:; Majesty's Commission, desired the immediate attendance of tpe Commons in the House of Peers, to hear His Majesty's Commission read. Upon the return of the SPEAKER, with the Members, - - The SPEAKER (Sir JOHN MITFORD) said, that it was his duty to report to the House, that the House had been in the House of Peers, to hear His Majesty's Commission read, and that the Lords Commissioners had signified His Ma jesty's approbation ot' their choice of him to be their SPEAKER.—SIT Joipo said that he could only, upon that occasion, repeat the most grate ful sense which he entertained of the honour con ferred upon him, whilst he assured the House that, as the best return he could make, he should endeavour to discharge the duties of his high and important Office with the utmost fidelity. Mr. ROSE moved, " That there be,,laid be fore the House an Account of the net produce of the Customs, Excise, .Stamps, and Incidents, from the year 1794. to 'Sot,. distinguishing the prodUce of the taxes for each year ; also an ac count of the .amount of payments into the Ex. Chequer, on the duties upon Beer, Malt, and upon British and Foreign . Spirits, from the sth January, 'Soo, to the sth January i Sol." The said Accounts were afterwards presented by the proper Officer, ordered to be laid upon the 'fable, and that a sufficient number of Copies be printed fcir the use of the Members. Mr. ARBOT said, that in consequence of the Union , between Great Britain and Ireland, it was obviously necessary that the Imperial Parliament should have before them the whole of the Legisla tive Ordeis of the Irish as well as of the British Parliament ; he therefore moved, that an humble Address be presented to Fits MAJESTY, that there be" laid before theliouse,a printed . Account of the Statutes of Ireland; which being agreed to, it was ordered, that the said Address be presented by scich . Of the Members of the House as were of .His Majesty's Most Honourable Privy Council. * Mr; As ROT then gave Notice, that it was b:s intention to make a Motion on an early day next week, the objc Of which would be to cause the piomulgation of the Irish Statutes, - in the same manner as was usual with thOse of Great Britain: • RUSSIAN CONVENTION. Mr. HOB HO USE said, that as k understood :that the Emr EROR of Russta had assigned as the reason for his seizing upon British Subjeas, Ships and Property, that the Convention entered into between Great Britain and that Country, so far as related to the Surrender of Malta to the Em peror had not been fulfilled, he meant, therefore, to move, that there be laid ly.tfore the House a Copy of that Convention, and of the Treaties which have been entered into between this Coun try and Russia. Mr. HomousE then men tioned, that he should bring forward his Motion or, that day sennight, Sir LAWRENCE PARSONS moved, " That a new Writ be issued for the Borough of Carlow in the County of Carlow, in the room of HENRY SAULER PRITTIE, Esq. now a Peer. Ma. STURT's NIOTION Lard HAWK ES MA* said he rose to request that the Hon. Member (Mr. ST UR r) would have the goodness .to postpone his intended Motion respeaing the. Ferrol Expedition, till that day se'nn►ght, in consequence of the absence of a Right Hon. Friend of his, who was that evening detained from coming to the House, in conse quence of very urgent business. Mr. STURT expressed his willingness to con-. sent to the delay proposed, provided no farther delay should take place to his bringing it fop. ward, than that day se'rmight. Ma. lONLS's MOTION. Mr. JONES said he rose to give notice that he meant to postpone his intended Motion re_ speaing the Expedition into Egypt, from Tues. day next, until that day fortnight. MR. GREY'S MOTION. Mr. TIERNEY said, he rose at the request, and in the absence of an Honourable Friend of his (Mr. GREY), to give notice that he meant to postpone his intended Motion from ;Monday next unto Monday se'nnight. COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY. Mr. RosE moved, that on Monday next, the llotis . c resolve itself into- a Committee of Supply. COLD BATH FIELDS PRISON. Sir. IV. ELPORD said, he took the present opportunity of mentioning, that in consequence of the statement which had been made the other evening, in the House, by an Hon. Baronet, re_ speEting the treatment of one of the Prisoners, he had gone himself to the Prison, for the purpose of making inquiry, which went materially to alter the statement which had then been made by the Hon. Baronet. The SPEAKER said, that the Hon. Member had no right, according to the usage of the House, to answer any thing which fell from the Hon. Baronet in the Speech of a former night, unless he meant to conclude with a Motion. Sir IV. ELFORD said, that if so, he should make a Motion on the subject, for the sake of in . trodueing what he mean% to say in his Speech, and of answering the 'observations which had fallen from the Hon. Baronet, Sir FRANCIS BURDE7T said, he Was ready - tOiattend to any Motion or Speech of the Hon. Bardnek on the subjca. IVlf. RYD ER moved, that the House, on rising, do'adjourn to Monday' next. Sir Pr. ELFORIY . then reilimett'• and said, that the Motion with which he meant to con chide his speech was, " That the Governor of Cold Bath-Fields Prison be called before the House." He then stated, that in consequence of the Report made by the Honourable Baronet,_ he had gone to the Prison, and had found - ti Cat the Report proceeded from the ex-parte evidence Of a man who had been confined fur a most noto rious crime. He thought that before the Hon. Baronet had laid before the House and the lie a Report so refleCting upon the Judicial Ad ministration of the Country, he ought first to have ascertained the truth of 1114 charge. He acknowledged, at the same time, that he thought the Governor (Aril) had misconduEled himself in Various instances. The Report of the Com, Mittee of that House, had stated fa&s which he thought were sufficient for his dismissal. But as to the fa& stated by the Hon. Baronet, he had taken pains to examine several persons, particu larly the person himself on whom the complain_ ant Hudson had made the attack, and Hudson also. The result' of his Inquiry was, that Price, a Turnkey, having heard a cry of " mur der" amon*st the mutineers, who had vowed ven geance against the man who had informed of the plot of these mutineers, to break through the Prison, found that they had beaten this sailor very much ; Hudson in particular,' had. got the man down ;. Davis, Painter,. and others threat ened to murder him.—The Governor having, in consequence of this uproar, added these des peradoes to be locked up ; they resisted, but were at last secured. liddSon, however, having been the chief aggressor, the Governors' arderect him into confinemeorrand irols. lihidson. struck , the Assistants several bloWs, upon, which the Go vernor struck him, _and he sleds with difteulty confined: He had also examined Hudson himself. He likewise learned that after Fhlifsdir had been put into hircell; he went to bed,:and. continued there from Sunday' till TUesday sennighi'e'tliat he bad been'asked . if he Was 'riot well, or would have the Do for to visit hilt, but that hitleply was, he thought that it would, he Of no use..'--At last Mr. Birch came, .and gave hiM some' powder for a feverish cold the man had, but found his indisposition was not occasioned ,by any blow he had received in his head. would seem' then, that the Hon. Baronet's compassion had been wrought upon by 'complaints' of blow's which Hudson had not received, and .that the Hon, Ba.• ronet had been too hasty. in bringing such a matter before the Public. He wished' the Nib- • lic to know the.real state of the matter, , from which he :thought it would appear, that the Pri-, toner Hudson's cOMplaints had originated iii fac: tious motives, and that he had not received any serious injury whatever. He concluded with moving " That the Governtir of Cold Bath.Mettis Prison be called before the House." - Lord,IMWKESBURY cacti; he belies , edit . was very unusual to make a Motion of , this nature, without giving previous notice. If t the House judged it proper to institute an investigation in. to the Prison, they should do it upon a wide scale, and not merely examine one person. Mr. DUNDAS agreed in opinion with the Noble Lord, and remarked, that a Commission of Inquiry into the State of the Prison had actual ly been appointed in the course of last Autumn. It was his intention at first to have seconded the present Motion, but as he agreed with the Noble Lord that' it was improper, he wished now to give his reasons for not seconding it. The SPEAKER observed, that there certain ly was a propriety in giving previous notice of an intention of bringing forward any Motion of importance, although this was not absolutely ne. cessary. If the Honourable Member did not mean to second the Motion, it could not be put. S;r F. BURDETT said, he rose to second the Motion, for he was as anxious to promote exa mination on the subject, as the Hon. Gentleman, who had made it. The Hon. Gentleman had only examined two men, who were kept by Go vernor Aris for the purpose of informing against their fellow Prisonets. He, for one, objected to the method adopted by the Magistrates of exa mining the Prisoners in the Committee Room. — The Governors ought to go in person, and to visit the Cells. Sir FRANCIS complained that he had been attempted to be calumniated by the SECRETARY OfSTATE,. throughout the Country ; and for what ? because he thought it his duty to investigate atrocious abuses: but although he did not attempt to contradict the prohibitory order, he did not think the SECRETARY Of STATE had any power, in this manner, to interpose his in terdia. It appeared from the Hon. Gentleman's own statement, that Governor Aris had struck his Prisoners. He himself had seen a bloody handkerchief, whiCh had been applied to the head of this wounded Prisoner, and he had wit nessed the emaciated state of 'other Prisoners. He did not think that hearing the Governor, was the way to investigate the matter to the bottom, but it was his opinion, that it became the House to enter into an examination upon the subject, and to forward such examination, he had strenuously laboured for these two years past. The SPEAKER f,uggested, that the Motion should be amended, specifying the particular pur pose for which the Goveinor of the Prison should be ordered to attend. He would also submit to the opinion of the House, Whether it would not be better that Gentlemen should be allowed some more time to consider the subjea. Sir W. ELFORD explained, and expressed bis willingness, with the consent of the House, to withdraw his Motion. S;r F. BURDETT was averse to the Mo. tion's being withdrawn. Mr. RYDER wished that the Hon. Gentleman had. had leave to withdraw his Motion. Its dis cussion, at present, would be attended with many neon veniene Motions of i. notice. To this he see the necessity why the House should, at its Bar, go through a similar inquiry with that which a Committee of that House, and the Ma gistrates had already made. Ork these grounds, he moved the previous Question. /10111/01,7SZ.said, he ,should oppose the_ previous Question, and support the original Mo.. • tion: . Hi wished to see this matter properly. in -vestigttett, and he: thought,. that- if this_Motion..., were earvied, it w . wld•be proper to follow it up with another,. for hinging the various other - 7 Parties before the-Houte. The SPEAKER said; he wished to submit it to the Hon. Baronet to give his consent to the with drawing of the original Motion, in .order that the matter might be brought more regularly for.. ward. Sir FRANCIS BURDETTsaid, he must per sist in his refusing his consent to the Motion'b being withdrawn: • i Sir W. GEARY complained of the Hon. Baro. net's pertinacity. Mr. MARTIN expressed his astonishment that a man- whose cOndlitt- had been so much . disap. proved,. as that of the Governor of this Priion, and who had behaved most scandalously, should - , - he continued in his present situation. Mr. PERCIPAL opposed' the Motion for call. ing Mr. Aris before the House, on the groend that even if he appeared, and was examined, hiti evidence would only' be ex-prle, and' would by'- - no means be satisfaaory to those Centlemen.who wished . most for the investigation' of the' vondnit of the prison ; nor indeed cbuid 'he proie what: Some Gentlemen had alledged against - the conduit of that Prison, without eliminating himself. • Mr. 11011110UST explained, by saying, l that ' he did not estpeet mdoh -from the,_examination of such a man as Ads,. but.hc.. thought it might lead to some othir evidence mote 'to be relied upon r and thereforele.was. for having:A.4s exaMtitait,,,,, Mr. liiofrif - 111) spokes .in•faquer of. the ark:4 - ginal Motion, aM nausea 'OCtitietnen 'on 'di*/ other side' with having t reared .the..;iilijeft onfiti ly. He . applauded his Hon. Friendpir Ftt'it4atiwl BUR Dryr) i fiir his 'persderaned in this butiOsii in which he alledged there. was:much. iniquity.: . Lord HAWITIESOURY asSird .his reasons ' . . . for having moved the Previous: uestion.. He approved of taking:up3his..subjeEl in the parilar manner here pioposed,l because it . cidtdd produce riothmg but partiai information ; and if any in - quirk was ne c essar y , 'off "he . wo4e say.. nothing at. preseot,' bucanse . that would 134 : ' more regular when the subjeet came on in that Shape, certainly, nothing short of a general one_ could be satisfatiotY.. .L/NJ As' justified the part . hi had takeo in this• Debate, before• the PreVsous'Que'S tion was' moved, and which Motion, togethek with the aigtithents which had beret) urged qn suppnrt ofie, had-changed h is mind as to the 'diets '.of the original. Motion. He thought ;the 'principle .on which the ..Hon. Baronet had made the Motion was correct, for it - was to do away an impression which had been falsely made by the Hon. Baronet over the way, upon a hasty : credit which he gave to reports against the con_ .dui} of this Prison. As that false impression had been niatle by the. speech of the Hon. Baronet (Sir F. BUR urn) it was fair it should be done away by another speech. Mr, PIERREPOINT.—." If I 'understand rightly the Hon. Gentleman who made the origi. nal Motion, he admits the conduel of the Keeper of the GQhi Bath Prison has been exceptionable- Good God! Exceptionable 'I say it has, been. most seandslous and infamous. Has it not been proved, beyond dispute, that he has borrowed money of his Prisoners ?--Sir, 1 support this Motion in the confidence that it is to be followed up by measwes by 'which this wretch may be held up to public view, and to public execration." The House divided, For the Previous Question . For the Original Motion - 4 0 . 21 A new Writ was ordered for Portarlington in Ireland, in the room of Sir F. FRENCH, now Baron ASFITOWN. An Account of Applications -for condemning Ships claiMing the Right of Neutrality, Bte. and Decrees pronounced on them in the course of the present War, was ordered to be laid before the House. Mr. RYDER brought up the Report of the Com mittee on the High Prtce of Provisions. The Report stated, that the Committee had proceeded to take the subjel entrusted to them Into their most serious consideration, and had come to the following Resolution : Resolved, That it is the opinion of this Committee, that so much of an ACI made in the last Session of Parli a- 4 intituled, " An Aa to prevent, until' the 6th day " November, one thousand eight hundred and one, and " from thence to the end of six weeks from the commence " most of the then next Session of Parliament, the " maitufanuring of' any fine Flour, from Wheat or ‘ l * other Grain, and the making of any Bread solely front " the Pine Flour of Wheat ;.and to repeal an A& passed " in the 36th year of the reign of His present Majesty, for • " permitting Bakers to make and sell certain sorts of " Bread, and to make more elftaual provision for the " same," as prohitalti the making of Flour hild Bread finer than is therein ditecled, should be repealed. Mr. RYD•ER- said, he silo* move no more now than that this Report - -should he taken into consideration on Monday, intimating at the same time, that he should then move for leave to bring in another Bill upon .that subjed.—Report 'or dered to betaken into consideration on Monday next. . Sir W. ELLIOT brought up a Copy.of the Re port of theComMittee Of the Admiralty, made to the Privy CoUneil, on the subj + cft of the Dock yards.—Ordered to be laid on the Table. At six o'clock; adjourned to Monday next. •_ . - as, nor 3vas it usua to )ring orwar. importance without giving previous this he would add, that he did not