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count see•no impropriety is their mftltiug a sepa rate proeision for the Princess: For this there 'was a Precedent in the separate maintenance lowed the Princess Ann iet 1690, not in coat- , pliance with, •but in opposition to an Address of that House. He could see- no ' reasonable objectioo to making a sufficient allowance for enabling her Royal Highness to live separate • front the Prince in a manner suitable to her rank. Arpresent" she had but - five thousand polinds per animas i,n4ept ittletit of the Prince Regent . e and her whole income was tar from being - adequate to her wants in her present "situation. Feeling, as he did, on this suiheet, it .was his anxious hope that the objecehe had itfriew would he obtained,. that the result of,the *seat Debate would. be voureble, anxious aS he. was in offering to theta that Motion with. which he was about to conclude,•4 14strip itof evet y thuig that could make it a party entestion. Hie trusted no than would oppose the claims Of her Royal Ilighties's when: they were thus urged, -heitfoott an attempt being' made to tring any foreign matter into the di,;.eossiou. Be the restilt what it .otight, he had endeavoured most conscientiously to discharge his duty,. After bring ing the correspondence before the 'loose, he had mulea pattse, and Lad not called their. attention to it a seeood time, tilf from the period that had , elapsed without. any thiug. , being cone. by Mini sters, it was ploin he had no alternative'but to per severe. Ile had abstained frontspeakiloerith any severity of theetookiCt•of the Prince, e If he had used strong terms whet' speak,iitg att the situation of the Priueess, be had only uttered . what liis•feel e ings I.ctct preettpted, and for this he hoped! to meet with the •indolgettee of the House. fle assured the Hon. Lord ,( Lord Castlereagh). that he, was much mortified at finding himself obliged to bring this subject forward so immediately after his re turn, and atter the applause he hat! received, and deservedly received, for his exertions to .procure for the conotry the blessings of peace. He hoped he would be content to agree with the motion, or give a satisfactory reason for resisting it. He con cluded by moving---" that the House should on Tuesday take into its consideration the correspon dence c<hunntnicated to it on the. 3d of June by het - Royal Highness the Princess-of Wales.".. • . Lord C:XSTLF.ItEAG4I expressed his acknowledg ments fOr the Widnes& with which the Hon.Gen thonan had been pleased to speak of him. Since the subject had been submitted to the considera tion of Parliam, eot, he was happy that it bad been brought forward with as much delicacy as circutn s . stances would permit ; and he was glad -that he had potthe question on.thae footing which it now bad. The Hem. Gentleman, however, would al low hitte to say, that the course he had taken this night was not quite consistent with that which le hail' formerly taken, and was very different front time line of Conduct which he had expected him to pursue .this day. If the Hon. Member who had e.arly, brought on debates in that , House on the subject, had taken the same course which the Hun. Gentleman now took; it was probable many of the discussions which had taken place , Might have been avoided. He approved of the coaduct of the Hon. Gentleman ; but he wished it to he remembered, this was the firs't time it had been anttounced to the 'House, that -an exe 'tended provision for the Princess of Wales was the object ,her friends had io view, was that which might properly set rest for ever that. question, . which had been fur the honour and • happiness of this cottotry most unfortunately agi tated. Wishing to confine himself to. the topic of discussion introduced by the Hon;Gentleman, be sitoulel only depart from . the dry details of it, tit sephrate from it that which had been Most injudiciously brought forward, on former occa sions, :and which he would, deliberately declare, • could never be brought forward with effectual service to the party concerned in that House. (Hear.!)--So couvinced was he yf this, that he bad etimoSt resolved not to suffer himself, in any case, to be provoked to become a party in a de !Ate on the affairs of the Royal' Family, while he • Vas satisfied that Par;iament could not remedy those divisions which every, man must see and • lament. Feeling this, :he sincerely deplored the situation in which Parliament was placed, to be obliged to listen • to questiOus as to teethe affairs of the Royal Family, which it , would be thought a breach of decorum and a gross impropriety to ask respecting the meanest family its the kingdom.—(llear, "hear !)—lf any, one thing mire than another could. deprive the Royal Family of those comforts which they had a right, to hope to enjoy, it was the circumstance of the interior concerns. of the 'family—(Hear, bear !)---being liable to be dragged • before. the public by questions'. asked• in that House under a pretence of regard for their welfare, which Would not be tolerated if asked of any private fa mily in the kingdom. He knew it hal been iosi 'seated that Ministers had not been forward to give information to the nation on a subject in which they were deeply interested, and which it had been attempted to connect with this ; but what ever .might be inferred from intelligence gained front various sources, or even by communications made public by Foreign Powere,, it never bait been the practice of the English Government, nor indeed cora, with any regard to con,- • shon sense, to communicate to Parliament what. hail taken place iu such a case till the pro ceedings had • taken that course and shape, thatsome formal instrument could be, submit- ' ted to their consideration. While on this sub ject, he must rebut the insinuation which on for rneenight had been thrown out, as to the Treaty of Marriage understood to he going on having been impeded in its progress by any tithe; con-, elected with the question now before the Housee--- (Hear, hear !) If it were attempted to connect the, , two transactions ; if it were insinuated that the sup posed difficulties in the way ofthe projected mar-, riage had any thing to do with, the exclusion of the Princess of Wales front the Queen's Drawing room, he distinctly denied the fact, and wished it to be known that the Treaty of Maeriage was in active progrusa after the exclusion of her Royal . Lighoess was made known,. lie had no hesi tation saying, that tip tO the I Oth of June, after the Di'awiag-roont had peen held, to the eiusion of the : Princess, and after the debate on the sulijecteel;ich had taken ,place ,in that House, the Treaty had been going on, and this was Sal ,sient to disprove all the *tau:lncurs 4iich had gone . abroad as to the .etnneetion lietti , cen these trars. actions. =. (pear, hear !) With respect to' the motion befQre the Hdose, he rertaiitly had hatt'no . . reason to .expect it "Would he that which was relieved to find it prOved ; for whatever dillienlty the flOtie might find in approaching it, there was. eioreastsri to stsppOse, Whatever were the reasons of the Prince for resolving never ti connect hin't - self - with the-hincessiagain i - that in their separa tion, be was at all dispitsed to create, or to con , tinue any•_entbarrassatent of a pecuniary ni ture,. of which she might have to complain, and wilich could be property removed. lostead of a motion like that before them, he had conceived that the . Hon. Gentlemita- meant to 5111)111A the late corres pondence to the House, with a view to found on ti'vat,it claim of. right On behalf of the Princess Wales to be admitted to her Majesty's Drawing, room ; for certainly, if die wished the House to consider her situation in a peettnia6t point of View, her letter could only serve to lead them from it. .The last subject treated upon in her Royal High ness's. Letter, as in the -Speech of the Honour , able Gentleman, when lie last brought this ques tion tbrward„ was the pecuniary wants of • her Royal Highness. One Gentleman, indeed," just below the pillar (Mr. Tierney), lie was apprized, hatkaken that view' of the business, hut no one else had dune this, so that lie (Lord Castlereagh[) had expected, the - debate of this night would take every possible range, rather than it would-be di rected to that' point which now appeared to he its only object. He could wish to knoW if. the lloriourable'Gentlernan, as on the former debate, thought that the-Princess might claim to be admit tedto her Majesty's Draw ing- room , not as matter of favour, but as a matter of right ?—(Hear, hear, hear !)- - --11 - he did, he was ready to meet hire on that questimt. Every Minister of the .`iovereign was responsible' to that House for his conduct, ' not doing his duty, or for overstepping its 'limits. From their decision there was no appeal; for when they lost the confidem:,e of that }louse, that in stant, as the lion. Gentleman well knew, their functions were entirely at an end. He was of opinion all would best do their duty by that coon try which they were anxious to serve, endeavour- - ing to keep -within the limits of thoSe functions which they were constitutionally called upon to exercise, and Parliament never did better than when it abstained from touchingon measures which it could not practically execute, without the risk of falling into trdsconceptions as to the nature of their duty, and - the extent of their privileges. It was not for Parliament to de termine ,Who should appear at Court. Nothing', could be more preposterous than' to say the Princess had a right to be- there. Little had he expected to . find this asserted on her part, in 'any letter - which might be wrote-by her authority, more especially in one of 'so grave a nature as that addressed to the Speaker. Her Majesty's Drawing-room was' certainly the place' where they went to pay their addresses to the Queen,, hitt still he.tvould - contend it was the Court of the' SovereiglL It was called by his Officers, and not boy . the Officers of her Majesty, who attended, and had her right hand,' to introduce those Ivlio were presented. Was it for the House to -say whether this or that person should appear at Court, and take upon themselves to determine whether lie should receive . them graCiously, or otherwise ? Unquestionably not.. This was a jurisdiction over the Sovereign, which no . Mi nister, which no Parliament could eXereik -(llear, hear, hear was not required by the Constitution that the Sovereign should hold a Court at all : it depended upon his pleasure to hold • one or not as he thought best. If holding one, he was to he - called ,to air account as- to whom he .might be pleased to receive, and the manner in which lie should think proper to receive then[, it wonld be most degrading to hint, 'that holding a Court, he.might. not use that discretion which the meanest individual in the land was free to ex- ercise in his own haidtation.--- 7 (llear, hear !).---if the Sovereign were held to be the most resposible Minister in the nation, it, would s he improper to act thus by him, unless it were thought fitting that he should be the most miserable and ab ject being 111 the realm, He ktiew it was at tempted to connect the question now agitated-, with respect to the Princess, with an iropressiOn formerly made on the mind of the King ; and to spew that the coarse pursued towards her Royal Highness was Very different front what wouldhaVe beeri.pursued conformably to his Majesty's 'wishes He denied the inference. Whatever the feelings of the Prince had- been on the matter of their separation (which no man could` lament- more. than he (Lord Castlereagh) did, he had kept down those feelings, and repeatedly met the Princess in the Drawiug-rooM, after that inquiry which lead terminated in her favour; while the question rested on the grounds-on which that had left it. But without going into the subjeet, he would say it* wasithpos , sible for any man Who had observed the course of public events, to deny that either the de sign or misconduct had caused the transactions in Which the Princess was concened, to assume an appearancegnite distinct from that which they for meth wore. Her former letter had been made the Vehicle of direct insult on the Sovereign, and it was impossible to disguise the fact that persons had ' been permitted to approach . her .Royal High 'less; ..who were detected in forming a cabal in the country (Hear ' , [tear, hear !) through the mc- (limnt of the press, for the purpose of aspersing the Royal Family, and especially the "Illustrious Personage now at its head. By these persons an attempt had been made to vilify, and degrade the Prince, not' only in the eyes of his future sub jects, but even " in the eyes of his children.", (Hear, hear, hear !) He conk' understand that true dignity would view with calm contempt theSe malignant efforts to lower It in the eyes of the world ; but; looking to the ordinary course of hunian nature, he knew of no instance where the parry conceiving himself injured had been recon ciled to those who wanted firmness to guard against being made the instruments of others ," to vilify and calumniate. havin=g _ made this state ment, he flattered himself that, if they were still to be afflicted with these discussions, things would notiqoa Wenilited to be connected, which had no thing to do with each other ; and he ,particu larly hoped, that the last exclusion of the Prin cess of Wales - from the lira Wing-room, would not be eousidered as resting on the seine :grovaltis on which the former teeasares of is Ma jesty:Were founded, arliem he thoaght• proper to aibuit 'her at Court, after a result of a different natnre. He put it to the catiiitaarrand manlineSs' of therilouse; if the oialisguised ealaraity avowed, when the separation between the Royal Person ages' was in point of fact, as complete, as final, and as.hopeless as, in the ordinary state of so ciety, it could be, whether there- was any proba bility that..tacy, by , agitating the question, could do any good ? W.heu he spoke of the separation thus, he did that which he should not have the prestiniption to do; if any probability existed that the-case was other than feopeleas of • remedy. it witS in proof. that the Kim; had viewed the cir- CIpIiStATICCS in the sante light, and. considering the separation as a'misfortune, which it was vain e to endeavenr to put an end to, the only question C- with his Slajesty had. been, what arraugement' would be likely to make this state, of things least painful to both parties? He would now state that which from disluelination unnecessarily to bring the affairs or-the Rovtl Family under the consideration of the House (for which be slid not expect, to be censured) had prevented his communicating to them before. A solenea instrument had been soMe:- yeaeaesinee drawa up, whia had been signed by' the King, and most: of the MinisterS of that day e and which had also the signature of the Princess', proViding formally a distinct establish= Meat fOr her Royal' Highness, founded on the principle of separation, and on the impossrunity of thZ. , parties being reconciled—(Hear In what year was- this instrument drawn up ?". was here asked fi'om the Opposition Bench. Lord Caseeeniaon•replied, it was in the year 1809. lie trusted that hcmight he allowed to assume that which the. King had sanctioned as Sovereign and as' Father. With thatarrangement the Princess her 7 self had been satisfiedeand had Undertaken to live on the provision then made for her, without contracting new debts. He did not say that what was a satisfactory. provision then must necessarily be satisfactory now, nor did he state this in opposition to any improvement in heiesi tuation, which it ;night be thought proper to 'make. 'Whatever thP reasons Might be, which determined the' Printe not to live With her Royal Highness, he had never for a moment been dis posed to make her feel his displeasure in peen niary'Matters. He had in the year 1809 come forward to pay her debts, and tci increase her income, by augmenting her annual allowance out of his, own. •This wits a sufficient proof that money had never been a question between theta, and that the Prince had no objection to a limit! ample proviSion being made for. her Royal :High ness, it' it should appear necessary.. At the pe riod to which lie (Lord Castlereagh) hurt! referred, her inConie was 12,000/. per annum- from the Prince, besides 50001. which she received from the., Exchequer, and ,which wi, independent of him. The Prince foam! t hat her Royal Highness was iri debt, and that her indome wasamt sufficient to enable her to avoid contracting debts: He then, rather ,than stiffer an application to be made to Parliament on the subject, took upon himself to pay her debts, and at the same time increaser) her allowance 5,000/. Makinglier total inconicaumunt to 22,0001. This. he proposed to do on having security that be should not he called upon tor any debts that she might hereafter contract. Snell security Could not he - given, but as his Royal High ness undertook to pay her debts; and augmented her income, nevertheless, on the-assuranee of his Majesty, that if he should at any future period be' so called upon; he (the King) would then re-coin mend' it tti Parliament to'giVe his Royal.llighness the securityr t he desired.. He (Lord Castlereagh), was confident the House would feel the dell . citcy and propriety . of • this conduct on the part of the Prince, in preventing an application being made to Parliament' in ' the year 180(.) for the payment of the Princess's debts. There tipOn the solenin instrument of which he had spoken was prepared, which gave. the Prince - the assurance of his Majesty, that in the - case sup pose 1, he would, it.a future period, recommend to Parliament tO'give'hini that sechrity which' he considered n'ecesSary ; and the instruineut• so drawn up Was founded on the principle of sepae ration. At .the time this arrangement *as made, the income of his'ftoyal Highness, as . Prince of Wales was 120,0001; This' was reduced be the Pro perty Tax to 108,0001. He, with that feeling of anxiety which he had ever manifested for the pay ment of his debts, thotigh sonic of Went were con tracted at an 'age, and under 'circumstances,' which might have made others less careful iibuot their liquidation, had set aside from his annual incoao, the sum of 40,0001. to discharge these incumbrancese This done, his income was then about 70,0001. and out of this he paid the 12,0001. which he allowed the Princess, as also the additional 5000/. which be gave her in 1809. :From the 70,000/. therefore 17,0001. was to be deducted, which brought his - incOrne dowato 53;000/. but anxious to.' -pay the debts of her Royal Ilighness, which the,' amounted to 49,000/.; 34,000/. haviugebe fore been paid out of the Admiralty Droita for the same purpose, as the debts contracted by the Princess had been altogether something more than 80,0001. he made. a further deduction front his income of 10,0001. to effect this object, thus re= (facing his own allowance as Prince of Wales to 43,0001. The 16,0001. arising from the Duchy Of Cornwall, made the total amoma of his income 53,0001. and while this was all he had for himself, the Princess received from bum, or at least cost hint, the annual sum of 27,0001. The conduct of theyrince had in this transaction been such, tlit4 he would say, perhaps, no husband ever had made such sacrifices for a wife from whom he was separated, that she might enjoy a proper maintenance. •So tar had he been from vindic tively ;attempting to diminish ber domestic com forts, as had been basely insinuated _ out of doors, his conduct bad been the very oppo,: site, and he had made an arrangerhent which no other husband would or could have been called upon 19 make, had a settlement been made 14 such a case in Chancery—(Hear, bear, bear !). He (Lord Castlereagh) would further say, it was his firm belief, that could his Royal Highnesi have come forward to increase the income of the Princess of Wales, when an alteratioa was made ih his own s without appearing to truckle hi con sequence of the base attempti which were made on his couduct andlnotircs, Lie would hare dont .0 4 1 ski • Iva., amt ermting for the suggestions ; Minister to urge hint to 'such tt measure.) been eta - ,ble(l to disentangle himself front th' web in xvltiel. iie. Was itivolved this he tvo fitiettt was the coarse which hi., Itoyal. 11 1 4/ I _ , l f would have pursue;:-- , (dear, hear, ite 3E .( ; ) ,; 01 1 would. haee been to hint the g r eates t saiii•tac et be, coald have known, to have been fre t:: by her Royal Highness as I, e dint i ll 1 809, he have Clone so without übjectino . duct totbe most seinuk.ines illlsl'epre ,, eitta tio ' l " t ide Ire woiddl,lave ;teen happy to have dele tltit~ Ali ei prevented her 'RoVal.lligtiness's-nattie, 14i 5 and tl.tat of the ivholel'afttilv beirig tii'ags-;„,t -fore the public .afi the* had hitt it lice') ill powerto-act this way. wit h... P;l;d priety, foe another reasou. fie would tell t o .1-lottse why. tie could not 'do a gener . c , tts'a ct o .o the claims of justi c e we r e. ereditirrs were :paid. - Oni the Ist January 1 ;ii present year, the annual t 0,0901,. which he :s ktl appropriated to that purpose,• had e.tiiir ° l the debts of the - Princess. Ile 'had emisidere‘i,ge own creditors. bad a right to thi s ,' ind the rc , f o e lie could not in fairness continue to set it 11 P 31% ,1e the service of the Princess. • But if this' , c" ns ' n , ) :- ra . liou had weighed nothing, it was not meat when such base attacks were made c)" co t as' they lately witnessed, that such a n arrat l P . "ielt could he thought. kre (Lord C.)':should the Al-inistee , tverti . circumstances, had recottnitended such a —who had adVised him to give her Roye',,i o tes' ness additional grant of Money; when t' c it were. raised not on pecuniary . matters, In A til• tptestionS affecting her character, her Ilex life. The Prince Regent's INlinisters to thent ,, eives to brave all the-attackS Which be made on thetal. Ile . Thad always felt, t h ",,Ar England, a eotintry of truth and justice, t il ' c ool 'et these Might prevail for it time, a day %could c ot :, and that probably' at a period 'net very te' o , l „,,ei, When they could effectnally repel the brought against them, and. vindicate that lit to conduct . which they had thought it their titro.e, ptirStie.—(Hear, hear, bear !)--41e cOnjul'e ( ' House, if they had any:regard to the pc 3cc ile rii' happiness of the lloyal:Family, not to starct j t t ot selves t o be matie.t he instrument through wili c " j t iii 4 Family was to be insulted, and to have their bandied abotit in a way that wontld be'dten i d ish tolerable -and unjust towards the uteanest 13 . 1 ; tiott subject.--(Hear, bear, hear!)—As to the itself, Which had been now submitted•to the "ti,.olf he certainly would, object to having the the Princess of "Wales referred to the cont;,tii tion of the House, because' it was quite for e4 : l to the subject of the motion, and only ealCu h ' tc , lead the halite from the point in questioo , cessions totallyuncorinected with it, and ‘ c olo r 'had not and - could not have any other that of increasing. the mischief which had been caused: It was impossible that V c ? come to tire 'louse authorised by . the tact Regent to m ake any eninninni - eation 1- 1 1 . -e t' itig the motion; or to signify the as 9 c:: the Crown to a proposal so very clift l 7,le i ': the from tlutt had been pro',1 11 1; . :(0" the former occasions when the subject upon the House, and so different troll owned, ht . e•xpected owthis occasion; no hesitation ill saying that,• it it sh( l4 ' l ,‘. ( o':' ' to be die feeling cif Pat 'lament, that ti le ,' of the Princess of IVales,, (coesiderC" rated- from her, husband), should be ed, be could not but express his c (). i .i i eP (- that, on a future day, lie would be tot,l! ac !:,cc give his consent. on behalf of the , 1 ",.• gent to such a measure.• Iu %co.. doing, was convinced' that the 11 - Ouse won'''lol,:eor his Royal 11ighoiess'was only actuate' l :' iris; which n ich had ever been upperniost.ii ii ' le o/iii: ( ;. this'subject - ---4 hat of sacrificial; laic 0 1.11 1; 7 1 10 render the situation .of the' Princessffr'' cortifortable'as pbssi bk. (blear, hear, lica, t hail - not been sooner clone, it Was c/11,'Y ;, Iion: who conceived themselves, thr;- , the PrinceSs of LVales, and. who had . 1 ''. ; : t teSV : therto tni.sthken the . object which the)" 11.01:0111. to have view,.Vie,, if indeed it was c , a 1 1'•• had not been pleased to he .candid tll‘ 7, after causing . ifrepat'able !Ids-chief, I)i,. had thme, while .they professed the b est he „-,itie`: e . had .not until ttow been explicit as t ° t Which Clie l ; had in 'view, (hi these go-m . : ii must oppose the motion as it stow,l ; hut assurance, that lie would, on , e r t, authorised to give the consent of ti ) ; such an alloWance to the Princes's c".• i(I t i .) c> l . ( l ‘ might appear agreeable- to the• tion.--(Long and loud cheering. front ." t ti lt . of the flotise.) .Ott', Ml'. EN, in explanation, sa id; ,coll't^l.l NObte. Lord had entirely mi-staken his 1 1' . _ Ire supposed that lie intended entircly,,tt"ot'bo.:•ii. the claims of the Princess as toiler lit4l - at the Drawing-roma. Af r . c , i ' sl l ` ll fallen, however, front the Noble at preSetit feel inclined to Withdraw ci NVHITEnEAD said, that before 1ie,71,:e sent to tine motion being withdr' l.4l , ) ,f ti i(7." ti ,.i f . e a future , it impossible to avoid making solo° rc i• ; 0.0; 1 ' . 01 Of the observations which 1 - rail t . 14 Noble Lord. lie thoul4lit that' the Azad not done justice to the I. r:llee, 2 l ;s r ;ol itfr'l, the Parliainent, or to the People of t fe, wile') he was pleased to descr,he the 1 : s ing which was every where ot the effeet of a cabal. When be hall . friends and aflysers.f of her , had pretty plainly 'charged them %%qu i, 0)it,k1 ,, , t . ) , ! ,10 views and objects NI; Itielt they did 11 . ° ' l ,.irintt t ,„.. to biting forward ; altd that all th!!!! . ' li, : ine: were for the. real purpose of For his' own s part, lie tlttcrlt• dist' ll: t t ' ti , e 1 -1 1 1 ;t ever had such an object. On the cess of \Vales, also, he tittedy ; ,,,etc , 7 o 3 her object had ev'er been the - 011 111 , ' ,„,( ; ) ,,,,,Ce c i, his'object was tine aBertion o f inet' o l . : o 7 :; , , t „ the resetting her front the pt:r_e s. c: cs : 0 ,14 she bad been so long-exposet , .. ;or v , for I tie oete she called for,. and not tilie consent to hurter her righzq ` reve ll , o ;' 2lo ; of ibdorne thut any ,781initer t o 11,.:ot , or that Parlelmetit could! ;4 . ra ll . t i . e , 01 04 04 qnr !rise.: aft rrl at 1,(" file 1" . N av 6 o b it s t o i r i t a n;. - judge wini ii-a - S.'t4 be reef:iv - to w was not to be rceeived wh° "