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IIi4PERML PARLIJNIENT. HOUSE OF PEERS. 140 . 14 DAY, JULY 16. . Itr the. Appeal i Lashley "ye. Hogg, the LORD PDANCALLDR pronounced Judgment greatly in fa. your ut the Appellant, .although certain points are remitted hack for the consideration of thc . Court of Session in SCotland. Mr. Ktrowl, vs, Common Serjeant, Was heard or► the Petition of the Common Council against the Bill for the' Relief of the London Ineumbent.Clergy.- 7 Ordered to'be read a third time on Thursday. Mr. FR ANC IS TilotO4ii was interrogated at the Bar, as to iii knowledge of the place of residence of Mrs. Lingha►n, which he stated, 'from certain letter!) he referred to, as being somewhere in the neigh. bourhood of Paris. . . Several Bills were brought up from iheCortimons,: among which were the Bill for making, compeusa. Lion to the Proprietors of certain Lands at WiioL . Avich and Charleton, necessary for His Majesty!" Service, the: Additional Force Amendment Bill, the, Accomptant-G, neral's Bill, the English ;mil Irish Vote of cretlii Bills, the Nassau Free Port, and the London Warehousing and red a first time. CORN IttGULATION BILL. Two. Petitions wete presented against 'the Sill, one from the Convention of the Royal Burghs• of So,tland, by Lord WALSINCHAM , and 'the other from the Cha mber of Commerce at Glasgow, by the Dukl of Mori - Rosa ; butafter a short conversation Betweenp the Loit I.? CHANCE LLOR, Lrifd STANI-t9P anal !he Doke of Mot/Tao:se; they were withdrawn on the ground of informality. , : Lord I!Awt;ssuv kY moved the Order of the Day, for the second reading of the Bill. • `',Y;arI . STANHOPE said, that no Bill of greater importance than the one now before their, Lord ships. could, possibly claim their, ; attention.; The objeet of it seas neither more nor 'lesi than intention: ally and artificially. to raise the price of Corn, and thereby to create a' proportionable advance upon all the other necessaries of life. The persons who; bad brought forward the present measure, did not seem to be . aware of the natural consequences that most iesult from it. When the, priee of Corn was advarced the price of labour would. be advanced in an equal degree. • Our manufaClures• would coosequently be affened, for it was not to het xprCied that the same tiemai,d alt*tid cootinthe for thf.7tri in foreign court. tries, when an increase so coosiderabiefshould take pace in the price,, as to place them above the 'tnians of those States, or. to induce them to prefer thetna. •onfigtures of some rival power that could afford to sell at a cheaper tate. If. he A'ai corren irirthis view o f t h e i u bjea, then.it -.would follow that our 'corn. merce-would.he affetitd:, •:ind through that , the• Ship. fing• interest, and eventually our. Navy,. tl, great .hulwark of the Slate. Nothiog, , ,in his opinion,'eould be more monstrous and extravagant than the vowed , principle of lb; i3ill, which, as he•before•statedi was to increase the price of Corn. watt .tipthin more, in plain lan;?,;11)?,e, than a Plan to„.csonntcraet•• the bounty of Providence, .anal to make'ihe people 'Of this Country pay •for the madness, folly,,andabsur dity of their Legislates's. • In was proposed, .when Corn should attain to a certain price tode—what ? m o t to keep it in the Country and .preserve it for a moment of scarcity, but *to give a Bounty for the EXportation ()tit to distant Countries, who were in no want of and where it would only find a • matket in, consequence of that Bounty.' 'lnstead of sending that superabundance abroad, he' would te..`" commeod ,that it should Be purchased'. by an. vermeil', and preserved In Warehouses', as he bad seen pradisrd in other Countries ; from which lie utisted the wiedom, of his conntryMen 'would not hesitate to 'adept any regulations that were Manifestly advantageous. In Switzerland, and par ticularly in the little state of Geneva, before it was 'annexed to France, that pratlice had prevailed for some . centuries, he believed.' 'ln Geneva he. had eaten bread made from 'cern which had been .preserved fot too yeats, and better he 'had never • eaten in his life. The apparatus for tieing this Witt very simple; "it consisted in nothing more than 'fonr walls, a sloping shelf, and a pan of charcoal in the middle of the room nto . extraa the moisture. The moment that was accomplkbed, the destructive ciple was annihilated, and the Corn might •be pre. served for centuries. The Govemsnent would give, better proof •of their-concern for the comfort 'of the petiple; by employing those means to provide against periods of scarcity, than by exaCting twitch from them, and aftetwards, squandering chase. taxe s in Bounties fcr exporting the most material of the ne t•essaries of life. Is prudent Goverrinie.nt should not hesitate to receive lessons of precaution and provi: . &nee from the ants and the bees, and thousands of Other creatures in which the divine wisdom was eX -1 emplifietk, An . iihjeCtilin may be raised on account. of eitpence t.f ereding.warehouse)i ; but against slur he was prepared. [tilt advice was, convert the barracks,:thOse expensive, antloow, thaolt.God,sise. less erettions. into. , warehouses; useless, becOse . people were now themselves the soldi e rs, ills rd i j,..li on s to the Bill wete so numerous that he would not ttratit with the civility at moving that it he icad a second time on that day 'tree months, but that it,be altogether rejefted, it was impossi. hie that it could go through 11:e Committee with. wit, ape;uhrieor, in which .case it would be 'tided out by the Comin.'llS, ,and he thought it better that t belt Lordships should have the satisfattion of kirk. j.i it out thernselseit." His Lordship Next went into a ct•osiderotitm of some of she clauses. I n one them, 'frientioo, he said, was made of milt, and a referencii was made to the schedule A. Wh en h e came ,to examine the, schedule, not a word about malt occurred In it. ' No, the malt was in the head, of the prisons who brought foiward the Bill. Theft Lot dsh I , had lately heard much of,gionts'refierhtd. - without 'nearing to introduce any indecent ridicule, he w ould say, that the deviseis of that Bill must have been refreshed with a vengeance. His Lordship re ferring to the Report transmitted from the Commit. teen the House of Commons to their Lordships, t h at it appeared from that Report, that no less a sum than thirty millions sterling, either in Specie Lr in manufaCtures, had been scot out of king. Le dam in the coutse of the last 13 years, for Coro of "V«riOttli kinds. Hi, Lordship moved, with much ww t/1 al gUlllcily A V 17 ti 4 11111.11 •41.... r.••••••••••• - to the Bill s and c.include, with moving as an Amendm , :nt, th it, after th• word' br, the word rejeCted should, be inserted in the room of the words /row read. Lord HAWKESBURY would not take up much of their Lordships) time, but he trusted that they would indulge him in making a few observations on what fell from the Noble Earl. Much of what he had addressed to their Lordships was wholly. irrelevant . . to the Bill before them, and it would neither per in him, or respealul to their Lordships, to follow the Noble Earl through many of the topics that he had so unnecessarily introduced, and the mention of which he was'convinced was not calculated to af. ford great eatisfaelion to many Noble Lords who heard him. The Noble Earl had appeared disposed to hear his sentiments on the Bill, before he had commenced the very extraordinary speech which he had just concluded. Ilad the measure now before . the! Hinite.been originally introduced or recant. mended by the Government,he would have thought it his duty, of that of souse Of the Noble Lords around him, his Colleagues in office, -to explain the princi: pies and grounds upon which they proposed it. But when it was a measure - groWing out of a common and general :interest, which many persons of great respOtability in another House felt upon the sub. je6, he did nor think ghat it could with decency he requiredofiliim to give any further support to it, thass what WaS due tram hiin, as an individual in the Legislature, to the principles of a measure that he approved. His Lordship would not,then go into an' ex smination of what he knew some of the most re. 3peetable and enlightened men in the Country main.' ,tained, namely, that it would be ss iser in the Legis. lature to abstain from all legislation upon the article of'Corn, and to leave the trade respetling it as free . •as it was in any other commodity. Ile also knew many intelligent men who maintained the contrary position, and insisted upon the neces. sity of the principle of regulation. ' He would not venture to give, at that rn,menr, any opinion upon so diffictilt and importaht a: queetion, but content himself with briefly stating theobjeCts of the Bill as they appearel to him. The great Objeti of the . Bill was firit to render the ,prices of Corn steady, and to eounteraet, as far as Legislation could effed, it, the dangers anti inconveniences of frequent flue tuatton ; that was one object of the 13111. The next was to . encourage Agriculture, by adopting such measures as inay afford the farmer an opportunity of obtaining a fait pro fi t for his labottr,tted his en. pital. T heir. Lordships, from recent experience, must be deeply Impressed with the great diiadvan. rages whilst; from flutitiations,,which, in the course . of a fe . w years,Tprevailed to the enormous dispros portion of between 435. and t e6s. the prices of the quarter of Corn at two periods: The best security that the'Country could have against famine, laying, out of consideration die aceidentS of seasone, - against which human precaution was of no avail, was to s en_ courage the farmer to,cultivall as much of the soil as he could. If he had nut an opportunity of dispos. ing of that surplus produce which he drew from his ; farm itra .year of abundance, the consequence would be, that he would not cultivate to the'same.extent the next yeae, and. thesout of plenty would arise the causes of future scarcity'. To prevent threpossi. .lire recurrence of those calamitiefewas the real °hien of the Bill, nod ,not, as the'Noble Earl had stated, to raise the price iof :CorO brcreating an intentional and artificial scarcity. As 'to •the Noble Earl's idea of ettiahlishing warehouses, 'as he' had not gone suf. ficiently into she details of his Plan, it ivtl3 104)08. Olt fog' him either to disagree or coincide with him. Possibly Such a system might have been advantage. ously employed in Geneva, in SWitierland, in lul. land, or in other small states, but-he was appre, hensive it would not answer in a Country possessing the wealth anti population of England. It was pro. posettby the Bill, that a. Bounty should be granted on the Exportation of Corn, 'whets the average pt ice of it should be unreasonably low; that the exporta. don of it should be permitted, when the average price even became higher; but That whenever it , should attain a certain price, which was considered 'as tending - to scarcity, • then exportation should be absolutely prohibited. Again, whenever it should get up to that price, importation should he permit. (ed. By those regulations, it was to be hoped that the priests would 1)e kept' tolerably steady that great Ilueluat ions would he prevented ; that, the Farmer would have a reasonable chance for a fair profit upon his industry ; and that Agriculture would be encouraged, which experience hati,ehea.n •to be ,the best security against • •scarcity. The present was not the time to disturb our whole internal system,. anti to make innovations upon the Corti Laws ; width, wise-thee wisely or not he would not then d . elyite; had grown up within the last hundred years, and were corsidered by• many as the immediate ean , e.of the nation d prosperity. His Luidship then entnhateil . tici. - • , .Lidolly the argument' of the. Noble• I, that ticats try kid 1.)::en product:44 the Wars in which Atte Country had beeteengageth and • proved, by a IteretttiCe to the Report of the Carne' mittee, that the avt•rage prices of Cern, the last thirty years, were out greater in. time of War than, in the corresponding years of Peace& Lotdship concluded, by voting for the second reading of the Bill, which he regarded ua a most important im• provement upon the system of Laws fur the Regula.. tion of the'Corn Trade, The Bishop of ST.VIS AP H could not agree with the Secretary of State in the whole of his ob_ . nervations. must at the - same time admit, that' it was neither a fair nor a candid mode of stating the question, as if its only ohjecl was to inctease the price of corn. He was one of those persons who slid think, that too much legislation had been already. employed 'upon the article of corn. If it were left to find its own level, like every other article of niers chandize ; and if it were freed from ; legislative terp. eition, the consequence, he was convinced, would be, that the people of this country Would be assured of a cheaper and a more certain and patinae vent supply. His Lordship considered the ' ,resew Bill as one rather of experiment, and thought it en. titled to their Lorthhtps' consideration. .soy el Highness the DU.KE,of CL AR EiVCE would not detain their Lordships nue moment, He had listened with particular attention and satisfies tion to the Noble Secretary of State, while he de tailed those observations which, Ire may recolita, "*" - 7. - _"1:•7_" once with the Noble Lord and a Noble Earl, a near relative of his (the Earl of LIVIIRrooL), whom he now regretted he did not see in his place. He was proud to hear the Noble Secretary convey to their Lordships, in so clear and impressive a manner, sen timents in which he concurred respefting one of the most important Interests of the Country. Every syllable the Noble Lord bad uttered, he fully coin cided in, and he was persuaded that it was only by aiting upon those principles that the subsistence of the People of the United Kingdom could be secured beyond all risks, but those that may be produced by the vicissitudes of bad seasons. His Royal High ness would support the Bill. The question was then . put on the Amendment, when the Contents were, Earl STANH(.pg, Non-Contents, 21 Majority, The original question was then put and carried, and the Biii was ordered to be committed to.mor. TOW. • Adjourned to to.morrow; HOUSE OF COMMONS. MONDAY, JULY 16. . The committal of Tighe's Divorce Bill wai post. coned till, to. morrow. The Woolwich Ordnance Lands Bill, the Ac. comptant.Generd's Bill, and the Vote of Credit, Bill, were severally read a third time, and passed. - A person from the Mint presented an Account of the Silver Bullion brought there, and the Silver coined the're' since the' year 1797.. --Ordered to lie_ on the Table. • The Report of the Committee on the Irish Re. venue Collettion Bill, was brought up, Nlt" HUTCHIN.oN, on behalf of the Distillers of Ireland, observed, that they were prohibited to send Spirits to this Country in any vessels of less bur. then than zoo tons he wished to know, if it was intended that any alteration should be made for their relief, from the inconvenient; of sending spi. rits only in vessels of that description, and from be. .ing subject to the controul of the' Cuatom.house Officers ? He also wished to know, whether or not any remuneration was intended to be made to them in consequence of the inconvenience arising from the alteration in the size of their stills ? Mr. Octmiuy said, that this Bill related to the internal regulation of Iceland, and. had nothing. t . ti do with, the regulations in England ; that the Irish Government could not at present interfere, but that arrangements ►hould be made as to the inconvenient cies complained of. As to the eipence of altering stills, he understood it was very trifling. The Bill was thcn otdered,to be read a third time to•mortow, • _ _ A •• person from the Commissioners of, Naval)n.. (juicy presented t h e B t h R e p ort , w hi c h was ordere d' to lie on the Table, and to he printed. On the Motion of the ATTORNVIC . GENERAL, the engrossed Bill from the Lords, intitilled, " A 13i11 for the more speedy Adininistratinn•of Jubilee," was read a second time, and• ordcred . to he ted to.marrow, • Lord CASTLEREAGH I)ostponed the further COQ. sideration of the Report of, the Committee on the East India Budget, till Thursday tit*. 11, a l so gave notice, that, on that day, he vwutild move fur the produaion of certain 45:FOunts,-"Arhich would bear some analogy to the very iMpOitant 409 con tained in the conclusions drawn by an• Hon. man opp9site to Tim. . . Mr. HusxlSB3/44 presented certain Mounts rum the Receiver (.I':neral of , the Land Tax. Ordered to be printed. The London Additional Force Bill was read, a third time, and pissed. Mr. liu..xlisou moved the farther ,consideration of the BA, for imposing Duties. After a few words frmn'Mr. k.R, who made a Motion relative to subjecting to veniiitic?, pershni, drawing 'leaseii or 4,;o6;eyances• without a litei:er, w hi c h was nut agree‘i to, the Bth, with the Amend. Merits, was ,ordrred to be engrossed, and r ea d a third time r.o.nint row. The. I.onill‘wl D ck Warehoming Bi.l, and tile Irish Treasury hills Bill s were severally read a third time, and passed. ADDITIONAL. FORCE AMENDMENT BILL. On the motion iliac this Bill be read a thiriilme, Cilotiel c:R.I . WeURP rose, he said, in order to ask a question of the Right Hon. Gentleman ol•pv. site to him. This Bill had been introduced or.. der to rernOVe all daubs exiting in , a former. Aft relative to purchasing lands'for the purpose oferett. ing Fortifications ; he wished, therefore, to know .if, .by the intrUduCtiOn . of &Lich 'ts' Bill ar'this late period of the Session, it was intended to , proceed to the ereCtion of any particular Fortifications or Military . _Works, against the next Session of Par .liament ? , The. CHANCEL LO R EXCH'EQ,U4 R said; that the Legislature had already thought proper to grant powers for that purpose ; but these not being sufficiently explicit, the present MI was intended to amend and. render this more tffedive. These irn. prOventents 'were therefore introduced upon general grounds, and had no reference to any particulai procedure. Colour/ CRAWFURD then said, that if His Ma. jesty's. Ministers had any ()bled in contemplation, he should certainly think it his duty fo move, that an account of the expences thereof should be laid befrtre Parli a ment. it was certainly the duty of Ministers' to :inform the House of their ioten. Lions, in order that the necessary expence might be provided, and the Public Money nit voted away without the consent of Parliatuent, upon a proper estimate, so far as the.same could be made up. He suspeded that .some works of that nature had al. ready been crated during the present. War, without any such estimates being put in. Sir WM. PULTENift said, that as His Ma. jesty's CHANCHLLOR of the Excit EQU ER had just 4low told the House, that the present Ma was brought in only upon general grounds, he was lei to imagine, that no particular exertion was to he loolt. ed.for before the meeting of Parliament next Session, He thought, that from the conduit 'of Minitteit V' 1 been of late greatly relaxed, as to the apprehenstor of invasion. His Majesty's Ministers, unless they had really good reasons for thinking the dangers not so pressing, _ought,- on the contrary, to have endeavoured to.:have kept up the zeal, public spirit and energy of the country. We certainly , had already been making great preparations;--brit -- lie might ask, had nor the enemy also been nniking vast preparations, so. as to, keep pace with us in every particular ? On the whole, "lie was led to imagine that the codntry was not•at this present moment properly awake to a just sense of its dangers. was a fad, in: his opinion, that' the enuntry is at preientin very imminent. danger, and he was 'gad that the, Hon. Gentleman had I ut such a question • to the 'Reght Han. Gentleman, as he (Sir WIL LIAM PULTENEY) had thereby an opportunity af forded him of expressing these his sentiments ; but he co.ifessed himself at die same time somewhat sorry at hearing the answer that had been made. Dr. LAWRE,\ CE said, that he understood some months ago that Fortifications wore to be'made, and he thought them very necessary fur the Defence of the CoLinfry: He would wish to know, why such plans. as had been fortherly approved of by • the Right I-fon. Gentleman himself, had not been carried into effefil • • The CH ANCEILOR cfihe EXC,YIEQUER he had never meant to a s sert (as the Hon. ,Baronet insinuated he had done), that all da n g er a Invasion was ove:. He certainly thought, that considerable prOgress bid been made to , bring forward our Force to a state of as great perfeCtion as possible; and he trusted, that our means of &log so were yet incrnso. ing. He . sliould be sorry to find any person itnagine that our present situation did not still require our utmost energy and exertion. Upon the very last application tor a Vote of Credit, 'the Country 110 been represented as in very great danger. He could assure the Hon. Gentleman opposite. to him, that be had not changed his mind as to the necessity olusing every means he had formerly approved of for the , defence of the Country, and that every thing that could possibly he suggested by the must skilful 10. litary men would be attended to. . Sir WILLIAM PULTENEY said a few words 10 explanation ; after which, • The. ATTORNEY-GENERAL brought Up two Ad ditional Clauses, which were added to the Bill by way of rider. The .Bill was then read a third time, and passed. Sir E. Nitretalr postponed the committal of the Bill for appointirg.Commissioners to inquire into the Fees of Public Qffites. in Ireland till - to-morrow.. The House 'then went into a Committee n1)131111 10 ' Irish Warehousing Bill, after h4ring a few obser• v.atioat, from Coliiallityrcit t MON agaioit the riVete'answered by the CriAt4cittl. oB . of the EXCIiSQUII4... Un the eH to.i sere t s rrrw. i o ng, the Report was ordered robe received -The Irish .Reveliue Bill was next committed. Report to be recoved to.morrow, Theturther e,nsideratio.l of the Report on tb. Loyaltt . l.o4o _kill ) was postponed till to.mortow. Adjuurilt . d. . • MAILS. DUI. A RikiYl P* Cottenburgit o 3 tiamouro 3 0 I'RIOE OF STOCKS, rests DAY AT TWAL,Vii; O'CLOCK. Consols. I Rod. Ann. - S6il Uranium - • THE SUN.,, SOLF.M laUtS DACIRI PAISUM AUDSAT LONDON, JULY 17, iho4• WE stated yeste.thy, that a considerable rlo lll ' h er "t had worked into ib e Outer HArbour of li o id orie on Friday evenings 0 4 that, in consequence, the whole of our Block;l4i n g Squadron stood over to the French Coast. Some firing took place in the course of Saturday, but we belie ° very lit tie damage was sustained on either side. Ili our Ural letter of this morning we learn, that more tiring' was• heard at that place yestkrday, in the reftion of Boulogne, which was Supposed to sir e from an engagement between some of our Cruizert and the Enemy's Fl,Atilla. Intelligence is Sa iii to have been brought by a Neutral Vessel, 1 0 ' 1) : arrived. from Dunkirk, that 2E,000 Troops 1)34 marched from the Camp near Boulogne f or 1 1„iii.oi and ; and ,an opinion was entert3i ol ' that . this movement was occasioned by the retch differences which prevailed between the .North cil Powers spa Ft-ince. :If, however, these 7,r001 4 have attually twitched from Boulogne, we a re • clined, to think tit st it was ooly its confurin il i l l with that system which Bo NAP , aT E has On' t3° ' adopted, : of keeping his TrOops as much in moti‘ nl , . possible •; and indeed the discontent; which have t; late been openly manifested hyditferent part , " 11 Army, render . it highly expedient for him to reli °l* n ,, r ov them from place to place as often as he can. .!.."" , PARTS begins to feel the ridiculous an d eantepli fLi ble situatiutt in which he stands, alter his' 111)*‘) s" menaces about the Conquest of this CottotrYr therefore there has been Of late an extraordinarY huj tic of preparation in thedifrerent ports, to arrito g let i satisfy the people. At Toulon, - the French 14 , 0 to peeped out, and their Admiral, after ru nnini . • h Port again the moment he saw the Bu il° boasted that he had made Lott' NeLsort run* account, in point of accuracy and modest'', " 'upon a par with that of JBAI4 'BON ST • A „till who, after the lade of the first of Junco i„