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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF PEERS. TUESDAY, FEB. 17. AFTER Some private business was disposed of, Earl SPENCER .presented a Message from the KING, similar in substance to that delivered to the Commons _yesterday evening, (and to Which we refer), relative to the proposed Settle ment of a Pension of roool. per ann. on_Capt. Sir WILLIAM Si min' SM ITH, as a signal mark of His MAJESTY'S Royal Approbation of his gal lant condua and meritorious Services; and re. commending it to their Lordships to concur with the Commons, in enabling His MAJESTY to set. tie the same. On the Message being read from the Wool. sack, Earl SPENCER again rose, and prefaced his Notion for an Address to s'MAJESTY upon the occasion, by observing, that after the very gallant imd able Officer in question having been already made the subjea of their Lordships' unanimous Thanks, it would be impertinent in him to take up the time of the House in expatiating upon his professional merits, or the great extent and importance of his services ; but on the, present herasion, -- his last aft, in hit official capacity,. he, ad the pleasure and satisfaaion of being able to refer to them, in the way set forth in His gsry's most gracious Message, and he was confi. cleat that the merely recalling the services, gallan try, and goad condi - A of Sir SI oNr;Y SMITH, in the most generi.l way, to the attention of their Lord. ships, was sufficient to induce then most cordially to concur in the Address he now proposed to His MAJESTY on the occasion of his Most gracious Message,—His Lordship then moved an Address to His MAJESTY, couched in the usual form, thanking him for I,is most gracious communica tion, and assuring him of the chearful concur rence of their Lordships in the circumstance re. quired - Lord AUCKLAND said, that he had listened with4ttchsatisfaAion to the just tribute of praise aritl admiration which the Noble Earl had given to - the eminent talenta,lieroic virtues, and distin guished services of Sir SIDNEY SMITH : And those who, (like' himself), had the good fortune to possess the friendship of that excellent Officer, Tight say for him without fear of a disavowal, that the sentiments expressed by the Noble Earl, the gracious approbation of the SOVEREIGN, and the concurrent approbation of Parliamant, would he con3idered by Sir SIDNEY SMITH as a more 'valuable reward, than any benefit that could arise from the objeft, and result of the Message. The Qucstion,was then put, and the Address was voted Nee. Pis. Ts, LANDS INCLOSURE. Lord CAR Ri NCTON in substance stated, that, in pcirsuance of their Lordships' commands, the 'CoMmittee appointed to consider of the pre sent Dearth of l'rovisions, &c. had taken into their earnest consideration the most effectual mea §ures for prtmloting a general system of Indo hum, and partictilarly of Waste a,lci.Uncultivat'ed I... Ands, and had, in consequence, dire:Red him to move the House, that a Message be sent to the Commons, requesting from ,that House the corn- Mupication to their Lordships of certain Papers and Documents in their possession relative to' the subjea in question. His Lordship then present ed a list c ithe fist required; and the st item of the same being read short by the, Clerk, the Question was pu, in the usual way, and the Mes sage ordered to be scot to the Commons accor& CATHOLIC EMANCIPATION. Lord HOLLAND rose, and made some obser, *ations'upon a subject}, which, as it appeared to originate in the Notice of a Motion given by himon-4 a former evening, when, by Order, of the liouse the strangers were excluded, we'are r una ble to detail with that accuracy we could wish. Be observed, that upon the present occasion, ,he hardly knew to whom to address himself; but he ,ikished to be -informed by any Noble Lord pre sent, at what rime they were, to expect the Mi. ni,terial Arrangements - in contemplation to be completedi- with a• view to obtaining satisfa&ory information relative tO the produaion of the Papers,, respeeting which he had given notice of a Kotion' for Friday next : these, as we could collect from the Noble Lord, were certain Com.. munications which passed, or were supposed to have passed, between the Chairman of the Ca tholic Committee in "Dublin and the Ministers in Ireland---the production of which he seemed to wish for, previous to the discUssion of the gene_ sal subject of the State of the Nation on Monday next ; on which he seemed to say, a thorough understanding of the precise grounds on' which the Catholic Affair stood, would throw a very important light, Lord AUCKLAND said , that understanding it to be the Noble Lord's intention to move for such instruaions as might have been sent to the Irish Government respelling the Catholic Ques tion, he would take . this occasion to entreat the Noble Lord not to recur to that Question, otherwise than in some mode which might bring the whole discussion fairly and completely before Tarliament. The ne.Tssity of such discussion was among the many calamities occasioned by the late events. Hitherto he had deprecated the discussion ; he now saw that it was unavoidable ; he wished it therefore o he brought forward temperately awl cautiously, hut with a 413° 7 aition, whatever might be the diversity of opi ;lions, to force those opinions to the test of rea son and of truth. It was a consideration too en larged to be blended with the other weighty sub_ je4 - of a -Motion for a Committee can the state of the Nation, Whent ver a proper occasion should ;omit, he would endeavour to submit to their Lord ships ltis sentiments on the Catholic claims, which 11 . e had learnt with suriirize, were to be consider ed - co,,sec iv er,ce of . the Irish Union,: He was desirquifarther $q examine them as invglv- Inv the wh'Ole Civil and Religious Es - tOlishment pr great .ritaith And, lastly without me. ning to avow or to bespeak any opinion, he should bc filed to call to their Lordships attention the true Principles of Toleration, and of that Alliance be.. tween Church and State, which (as has been well expressed in another place) is not meant to make the Church Political, but to make the State Reli gious. In a more confined point olview be was desir ous, at a proper, time, to express his regret for a difference of opinion on an essential, though spe culative, point of Government, which had sepa rated men from each other, who had been so long habituated to ad together with perfed friendship, and with a confidence not easy, perhaps not pos sible, to be transferred to others ; nor could he allude to this without deploring, as he did with his whole heart, that the British . Empire, in a crisis of accumulating and thickening, difficulties, should have suffered the dereliaion of those who by their talents, experience, energy, and resources of mind, were the best able to bring the arduous struggle, for 'national independence and existence, to a safe and honourable conclusion. Some farther conversation passed between Lord AUCKLAND and Lord HOLLAND, the result of which seemed to be that a day should he named in which Lord HOLLAND would move for the Papers alluded to. Several documents respeEting the state and ex_ ponces of the British Settlements on. the Coast of Africa were presented and laid liefore the House, after which an adjournment took place. HOUSE OF COMMONS. TUESDAY, FEB. 57. A Petition'was presented from the Prisoners in Liverpool, praying for relief. The Petition was ordered to lie' on the Table. . Several Members were sworn in. THANKS TO THE LATE SPEAKER. Mr. ADDINGTON being in the House, The SPEAKER addressed him in the follow. ing terms ; • " Mr. ADDINGTON, the House have resolved, That' the . Thanks of this House, be expressed in the strongest terms, to you, for the exemplry and distinguished manner in which you performed the Duties of Speaker during the whole period in Which you,occupied the,Chair of the House ofCom. mons ; that you be assured, that the proofs which you have uniformly given of attaehment to the Con. stitution, the steadiness with which you main tained the Privileges and Dignity of this House, the ability, integrity, and unremitting attention to Parliamentary business, which have so emi nently marked the whole of your Condud, justly entitle you to our Approbation, RespeO, and Gra. titude. " If, Sir, I were to indulge my priv'te feel. ings upon this occasion, I might expatiate at great length upon this subject, but feeling, as do, that it is impossible foe ale to add any 'thing to that which is so well expressed in the Re solution of the House, and that any thing which I might attempt to add would only weaken that expression, I Allan •therefore content myself with expressin g to you tus Thanks of this House in the words of the Resolution." Mr. ADDINGTON replied " Sir, it is with sentiments of the most respeCtful and heart.. felt gratitude, that I receive the testimony of approbation . which yoti have communicated to me, by the command of the House. To enjoy their good opinion was the pride and comfort of my life while I continued in their service ; to receive, on•the present occasion, • such a proof of it, is - the greatest honour, and most gratifying reward I can receive. Being conscious allaying discharged the duties of that important Office with fidelity and zeal; I feel a satisfaaion which am . not able to express, in being allowed to indulge a hope that the Chair in which you, Sir, preside, has not by my conduti lost any of that dignity which is necessary, for the well regulated freedom of Debate, and for the maintenance of those Rights and Privileges of this House, which lam sure, Sir, you will always maintain. To you, Sir, my warmest acknowledgements are due, for the manner in which you have commu. nicated to me the Thanks of the House, and to the House I owe every obligation of duty, vene ration and attachment, which can bind any indi. viduid to the First PUblic Body in the World." Mr. PITT moved, q That the Thanks of the House,. communicated by the SPEAKER to the Right Hon. listsstv Apo:No.l'oN, together with his Reply, be printed in the Votes of the House." Ordeietr. • A person from the Custom.house presented several Public Accounts. Mr. ERN EY presented Petitions from the Prisoners for debt in the Gaol of the Borough of Southwark, and in the Gaol of the County of Surrey, praying for relief.--Ordered to lie on the 'fable. • COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY. Mr. BRAGGE brought up the Report of the Committee of Supply,' and the Resolutions were ordered to be read. Mr. YOLLIFFE observed that there was a considerable increase in the Army, particularly in the Cavalry, which he thought highly ims proper at a time when the price of Grain was so high.—He hoped they were not to be sent to, France, and it they were not, the inclosed state . of this country was such, that they could be of very little use at home. itts. WINDHAM said, that under the pre. sent state of affairs it had been judged necessary to augment the Army ; it became proper to aug s incur the Cavalry in the same proportion ; this increase was founded upon the opinions of Mili tary men, and he presumed the Hon. Gentleman would not put his opinion in competition with theirs As to the consumption of Oars,. it cer tainly could not be pot in competition with the safety of the Country. The Resolutions were then read and agreed to, Mt. Witsnisism moved for leave to bring in a dill Ipt punishing Mutiny and Desertion.-,s-Leave was iven, _ • - . Mr. Wu. DOIDAS moves, u That the Loß.t. 'ADvOoATE of SCOTLAND have leave to be ab sent until the zoth March."—Leave was granted. REVEAL OF BROWN BREAD BILL. The Order of the Day being read for • the . tecond reading of the Bill for repealing the Brown Bread Bill, Mr. WILBERFORCE BIRD begged to call the attention of the House to the Lftate of the Corn Trade ; that part of it to *hick he most particularly alluded, was after the Corn came into the river, and before it was brought into the mar ket. It appeared to him clear that very great frauds were praaised in that part of the business ; if there were not, he begged to ask how it was possible, after the laudable economy which had been praetised—after the very great importation which had taken place, an importation which had filled all the warehouses on the river—after the Substitutes which had been introduced, from motives of duty by the Rich, and from motives of necessity by the Poor— after this, he asked, whether it was possible that Bread should increase in Price, if some very shameful frauds .were not practised ? Mr. RYDER said, it undoubtedly was the intention of the Committee on the High Price of Provisions to turn their attention to every aubjeft which had been referred to them by the House. ,It certainly was the intention of the House, and he wished' so see it aced upon, to confine all discussions upon this subjea, in the first place to the Committee, to whom the House thought proper to refer this subject. Discus sions there, might be attended with pradical consequences, which could not be the case in that House. As far as he was concerned, he was ready to pay every attention to every Gentleman who would attend the Committee, and give it any information upon the subject, and he wished very much, if the Hon. Gentleman possessed any information, he would be kind enough to corn. municate it to the Committee. Lord SHEFFIELD said, he was sorry he was not present yesterday, when the Right Hon. Gentleman. (Mr. RYDER) moved the entire Re peal of the Mt in question. He had understood that it was a partial Repeal, or Modification that was proposed should not, at this time, dis. pure the' expediency of repealing, or modifying the Ad. Yet, he conceived, the principle re mained•perfettly sound and good, and was by no means affected by any of the evidence or argu ments that have been brought against it. He observed, that no measure has a chance of success which is to be managed and formed into a Law, by those who do not wish it well, and which is to be carried into execution by some who have uniformly opposed it. He observed, that the Flour or Bread now made under the MI, is much coarser than was intended. It was originally proposed, that from about six to about nine pounds of coarse Pollard, according to the quali ty of the Grain, should be taken from a Bushel of Wheat; but, according to the new mode of dressing Meal, by means of Brushes through a Wire Cylinder, the whole of the Wheat may be made to pass through it, even Wheat of the worst qualities ; and, he observed, Cloths ,dress finer than Wire, and Foreign Wheat requires . finer Cloth to make equally good Meal. It is said the demand for inferior British Wheat is de creased, and is much increased ibr the fine, which may be accounted for by this circumstance, that the fine are wanted to mix with the coarse Pollards, which were taken from the Flour used before the AEI took place; and also - to mix with the coarse Foreign Wheat that was on hand— He observed, the MI certainly has not had a fair experiment ; the adulteration has been excessive He yielded to the acclamation for Repeal,: be cause no effeCtuat mode of preventing Adulteration that may be unwholesome, or increase_ the Pre judices of the People, had been proposed.. He 'de sired not tube understood to mean, that A.dqltera tion takes place only in restieet to Browniaread; full as great . a degree of it is prglised inlmaking . White Bread, but the People arC disposed to, swallow, very contentedly, every thing that is given them of the white ,sori: 'The - small diffe rence of price between' the White and the 'Brown, is brought forward as an argument against the MI, ratmely, Ten Shillings pei Sack, or Seven Farthings in the Quartern Loaf. - He said, be could not discover why the difference was • not • greater ; but such experience as he has, taught him, that there might be one-fourth. He had, before the Ad took place, caused a conaiderable . quantity of Bread, nearly of the quality intend ed by the Mt to be made, and sold to particular descriptions of persons, at two.:thirds—of the price of London White Bread, He does not con. ceive he had any great profit, but he was not a loser, and the Bread was so good and well liked, that he could not completely satisfy the demand. He wished to shew that Brown Bread is whole some when not adulterated, and that it is not uni versally disliked. It was used, in many places, before the passing of the Ali. Tle thought a total Repeal would be a declaration against the use of such Bread, that it would raise a clamour against those who had, exerted themselves for the purpose of diminishing the Consumption of Wheat, and would turn the Country loose from all idea of management.. He wished, therefore, something should be substituted in the Bill of Repeal:--It would only teaze and perplex the Country to have a Bill, relative to Brown Bread, brought forward some time hence ; and he de sired it might be understood, that he did not .01a jeCi to the Repepi of rho limitation to one kind of Flour, because the Adulteration is so great, that the statuteable Flour i$ said .to disagree, particularly with Children, and he did not wish to run any risks in that respea. Mr. BUXTON said, that the mixtures which were made under the late Bread Bill were such as required investigation ; he had seen Bread sent up from the Country, which he was sure no Gentleman would say was fit for the food of man. When it was known that there were in the River. so many vessels full of Corn, which could not tinder the Mt in question be used, and when such very hati lircad was made, it must be the rprtai wish of the Country that the Aa4 should he re pealed. He believed that the Repeal of,this Aft would be attended with the most beneficial effeds, and bring into use a great quantity of 'Wheat which, under the operation of the present Aet, could not be used, and therefore he should vote for 'this fill. Lord SHEFFIELD explained. Mr. YORKE said, he gave his support to the Ad passed last Sessions, because he conceived that it would be produaive of a considerable saving in the Consumption of Grain, and he was now induced to consent to its Repeal, because experience had shewn that the saving was by no means so great as they had been led to hope it would be.. It was expelled that it would bring into consumption a greater quantity of Wheat, and that it would tend very considerably to lower the Price, of Bread . , but instead of producing this eff'el, it had appeared in Evidence before the 'Committee, that it had thrown .out of Consump tion a great quantity of the lower kinds of Wheat ; upon this groutftl, 'he consented to its Repeal. The next question was, whether .it was better to repeal the Ad, altogether or only in part. As it was a very desirable' objed to carry this Bill through as speedily_ as possible, he thought it not expedient- to odic ,it with another Bill which would require per. sothe very ,particular provisions.—At the same time . be was clearly of opinion that some measures should be taken to encourage the sale of coarse Wheaten Bread, and this objett would not be prevented by, .this repeal s &c. When the Aft of last Session ,was repealed, all the former Afts would be in force, particularly the 36th Gao. which was framed for the purpose of permitting the sale of a coarse kind of bread without an Assize. - 'He 'wished very much that gentlemen would state their opinions upon this subje6t in the Committee rather than in the House, because no immediate good could result from stAtiiig . • them in the latter place, but on the contrary it' might produce bad effeEls. With reaped to whit had been said about such great quantities. of" , Corn being in the Aiver, he could only say. wished the account was true, - but he very much, feared those who thought so woul4find thenie;!, selves deceived. ,: r Mr.. VIINSITTART said, he was perfealglNa. , ,, , , ,.: well satisfied with the repealing the:Aa which it was the ohjea of this Bill to do ; but he expressed a wish that this should not be a mere and simple repeal, that, it might contain some clauses Of pro. vision for the regulation of Breid in future, and which, he apprehended, were easily eluded. kie was confident that the last Bill, which was now about to be repealed, did not answer the purpose . for which is was intended ; he hoped to see, how.. ever, introduced into this repealing Bill some Clauses for the Regulation of Brown Bread. He • had seen with pleasure a large shop in Oxford. road where there was the proper Household Bread, with the mark H. upon it ; perhaps there were many such in the Metropolis. He apprehended , they would all be stopped by the Bill now before , • the House: He had at least a doubt whether they could be continued, or whether they might re.. commence. Mr. WILBERFORCE BIRD conceived. him self so pointedly alluded to, that he must beg leave . to say a few words again. He apprehended that he had not been guilty of any irregularity in making the observations, and throwing out the hints he did upon this subject. Mr. RYDER observed, that much had been said, in the course of the conversation which now occupied the- attention of the House, on topics,, which, stri(Uy speaking, were not before the House.-.--Here he entered into ,a short history' Of the former Bills which had been enafted, Val which were in force before the Mt, how to be repealed, had passed into a. Law, and on the to. peal of which they Would all revive; and by them there were 42arly jegalatign, and. some of chi= . very good ones, for'thei making of Brown Bread and then he observed,Thai the - ramp reason-which would make the HOuie. Wrifz-to44iss the preietif Bill, would make thernlvisit : there was as littl. "difference of opiniort a 3 Po_uktiti:tiod that third" should- be. as little delay as iassible sa t is pro. ccedilitrand he wished. to'be - again :understood that Brown. Bread may .be made, notwithstanding the - Repeal of the present Bill , and it would thin be under the modification of. Laws that were its• force previgus to the passing-of this last.A.d. - The Question was then put, and the Bill wont read ; second time : it then went through a Coin. mittee the Report was received, and the Bill was ordered 'to be ingrossed, and read a third time to-morrow, if then ingrossed. At six o'clock the House adjourned to to. • morrow. THE SUN, 1101.ZNI QUIS DICER& FA1.61114 AUDEAT ? LONDON, FEBRUARY 18, 1801. WE this morning received Petri, Paper' of two days later date than those which arrived yester day. They bring us a confirmation of the TREATY of PEAC R bet Ween France and the EMP EROR having been concluded. That event took place on the gth instant, and a complete Copy of the Treaty is to be found in our subsequent Columns. Our limits do not admit of our entering at present into any observations on this Treaty, or on the Message of the Constls which announces it to the Legislative Body. The KING was yesterday much better of his cold. Lord PR PI Atd, we understand, is to be creat ed an Earl, and the Right Hon. MT. who is the new President of the Board of Con troul, is t 9 lie piled to the VPPCt House. A °