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it-. seconder of the 'Lotion. It involved considerations of the deepest importance to the well-being (If 3 ,, ciel--; at larze. He did trot believe that the Honour. Niombet . (Mr. Etrai-t) had very well conceived this subject in tvia.hicl to take if capital punishment from horse and &Inn-stealing, and leaving cattle-sterling still subject to capital punishment. Mr. F WART expressed tl l 4 intention of . cAtending Lie moth n to cattle steallne.. it ROBERT PEEL olo.r.ed that that cireunistanca showed how eYtremelvteutioos Hon. 31embers should he in Ice-Wing on this .ohject. There were many case: of horse and cattle-stye: l ing and h.,d,e rolibery, whicl;w.?re att,nded with srach circumstances of enorrniiy, as would jus lify the infliction of capital pnivishinent.—CH- ar , bear.) Hou,e ought to pane before they agreed ti t'-e proposed Bill, for there were other important topics which ought to be well con , idered. They should consoler the st:ite of secondary punishments, and of cases where persons of extreme nr,iiiga , :y but of good educatiem com mitted offences. He rhul no: deny that it wss .ime to con sider this subject but their steps should be taken with great caution and consideration, for it would be unwise to excite the prejudices of the public sgainst them in passing a mea sure which :night be supposed to weaken the protection of praxerty. Dr. LUSIIINGTON agree:i in thz, ne:c.sity of givinu tais subject a most calm and temperate consideration. Lord ALTHORP would not oprn the motion of the :lan. Member tor Liverpool; but he must say, that untii they had secured a better system of secondary punishments, he thought the amendments proposed to ha introduc,d into our Criminal Code could not safely be carried into effect. After ti fern worth from Mr. 11013INSD'N, Mr. TREVOR, Ma. Hut and Mr. C, PELHAM, 4eave wai given to bring in the Bill. I3ELGI UNI Sir R. VAN VAN t:ostponed his rr.otion on thr r,:tiject 13e1g in 711 • THE GREAT SEAL (IRELAND). Mr. SHAW, learning that tire Lord Chancellor (Plun ket) had written a letter, which intimated it to be his in tention not to insert the name of the Nlaater of the Rolls, withnut his consent, in any future comenisaion for the perfortreance of the duties connected with the Great S ee l of Ireland, begeted permission to withdraw the motion of which be had given notice. 3loaior. withdrawn accordingly. " BUCKINGHAM PALACE. Sir FREDERICK TRENCH, in moving for " a Cops' or any Minute issued by the Lords of Iris Majesty's Troa miry, referring to the expediency of preserving St. James's Palace, and of enlarging it, by means of a communication with Marlhorough House; and also for Copies, of the In structions given to Mr. Note, for the eXpenditure of 75,000/., granted for the erection of a parallelogram of lsaildinga at Pue!tingbarn Hnuse, nod the plans, eseirnetes, and apecificationa of the huiltlings p; opoaed to be erected," commented by observing, that an immense expentlitere was at that moment going on for pulling down worga erected in pursuance of the original plate. He believed, indeed, there were upwards of seventy persons dad , ern. olnyed in the work of demolition. He found it stated in the Report, that the sums already expended on Bucking aem Palace amounted to 613.296/., and that there was !"0 be a further outlay of 73,2771., which the architect e'nsidered intlispenoably merits:fey for the security of the building as well as to render it fitting for a Royal habita tion, and this suns was altogether exclusive of any others required for furniture, decoration-, or fittings up, which might be necessary before his Majesty could occupy it us a palace. This amount for furniture, &c. the Committee did not think would he very lerge ; hut he (Sir F. T.), Nanking at what had already taken place a ilia respect to Windsor Castle, could not think that the furnishing atf Bnekingharn Palace would coat less than 300,0001. Vindanr Castle had cost 280,0001. ; and when it was con sidered that many of the decorations of Buckingham ease, and much of the furniture of Carlton Palace was also employed in fitting up Windsor Castle, he really did not think that his estimate of 300,000/. would prove more than sufficient. This sum of SOO,OOO/., taken with the 613,296/. already expended, and 73,000/. in progress of expenditure, would, when the projected parallelogram for serrants was erected, at an expence of 75,0001, make a total of 1,068,573/. for the completion of the Palace, ac rording to the present estimate, in order to render it tit for purposes of State. He might add here, and he was sure :lie public would learn it with some surprise, that after the walls were stated to be so weak that they would re quire further supports to hear the weight already placed on them, it was in contemplation now to erect on them a second set of attics in addition to the former ones. It might be understood, too, from that, whether the sum of 75,0001., given in as the estimate for finishing the Palace, was likely to he sufficient. I: was, perhaps, not generally known that it had been at one time proposed to turn Buckingham Hittite into a bar rack, and that it was calculated it would contain sixteen officers and 2,400 men. He should be able to skew that it might still be sold for 300,000/. It was not denied that a conaiderable expenditure would be required for the removal of the range of houses at one side of the Palace, in addi tion to the estimate already made; and he believed the calculations, with respect to the cost of that removal, would be found notch beneath the re dity. There was a whole aide of a street, with a public-iiouse, to be purchased, and he thought the expense attending the removal of those houses could not he less than five hundred thousand pounds. Even if they did not require Elliott's brewery or Brarnah's steam-argine, he thought th e e xp ense w o u ld b e 300 , 000/ . He came now to the apartments which, even under all the improvements, would be left to his Majesty for the recep tion of company on State occasions, such as Drawing Zaoma, Levees, Ice. There was a suite of three room-, one of which was 20 feet long by nine feet wide ; the se cond was 30 feet by 43 ; and the third, and largest, in which the throne was to be placed, was 62 by 36. Now York House, which hid been compared to a number of pigeon -houses round a sentry-box, had a suite of seven rooms, infinin ly superior to any to be found in the Palace interred for the residence of the Sovereign of the empire. In fact, looking at the position cf the staircaeea, one of whi c h w a s exceedingly narrow, there seemed to be to place of exit for the King, unless through a panne! in the wainscot. At St. James's Palace there were at present six apartments of great splendour for holing a Court, seeln as could net be constructed under 180,000/. The present Government professed to be economical, and he appealed to the Noble Lord to carry those p•ofi tnieni into effect. It wan well known that Buckingham Palace was qui e nninhabitahle. There was a pool of water above it, and a pool of water below i', and quantities of filth were ac• cumulated in the neighbourhood, in a manner most inju. minus to health. Its being below the level of the river at high water added to its insalubrity. Thromaltout this winter they had been obliged to keep 70 fires in the Pa lace to secure it from damp. Ought the King and Queen of this; country to be put in such a building, and that, too, after an additional 7000'00/ had been expended upon it? If they staid at St. James's, they rei e ht get rid of Buck inoliam House; but it they went to Buckingham House, they could not get rid of St. James's, because of the Stare apartments at S'. James's, which a would require an ad ditional 180,000/. to build at Buckingham House. Al !tiding to the attics at Beckirighan, House, the Hon. Meinner (n-aerved that there were 51, 46 of wh ch had no fire-places; ler to make amends these were 34 with water-closets. The Hon. Member proceeded to recom mend That an application should be made to Prince Leopold togiee up NI irlborough House, for which he would no longer have occasion ; and that in the space between St. Jtmes's Palace and Marlborough House two houses should be built oimilir to York House. York House had matt 80,000/ ; 1M ugh the Marquis of Stafford hod patd for it only 75,000/. Building two such houses, therefore, as York Homes, between St. James's Palate and Marlborough House would cost only 160,0001. On comparing York House with Buckingham Palace, the advantage was greatly in favour of the former. Yet the former h cost only 80,000/., and the latter hail already coat 700.000/., and before it could be inh tbited would cost 700,0001. more. The Lord Chamberlain had expressly stated that Buckingham Palace was nor at all calculated to enable thair 'Majeatiet. to hold any Curt there. Without in flicting upon the H-use any long statement (which was the lees necessary as he had ciren'ated a paper on the sub ject), he w uld show how 700,000/. could be saved to the public in this transaction. His plan was to tranefei the King's College to Buckingham-house; giving that in- . stitutien apartment for apartment. He understood from a member of the Ctuncil of the King'. Cellege, that it ' had been lately a matter of discussio n whether or riot tha students should be allowed to walk about to their Colleaa dress ; as from the peculiar situation of the College, they often got into bad society. This evil would be obviated by removing them to Buckingh am Palace. But what did he propose to do with Kiug'a Colley? At present many individuals belonging to public offices lived in houses hired for them by Government. He proposed that they should reside in King's College. This would produce 15,000/. a year, or about 250,000/. In Buckingham Palace a picture gallery te i g na h e co nstructed, five hundred and twenty-six feet in length, and twenty-eight in breadth. The gallery at the Louvre was thirteen hundred feet in length, thirty-five in breadth. But the former would be as su perior in beauty. as it would be inferior in size. Indeed, so admirable a picture gallery would not exist in Europe. A statue gallery might also be constructed. The upper part of the house might be converted into en office for Records, as it would admit of very toietab l ie Articlea to the value of 94a0t10:',., consisting of marble chimney-pieces, state-tionen doors, marble floors, shutte- s, marble emit:le:l . :4, oak floors, &c., might be removed from Bucleingioam Palace to the new edifice. It must also he considered, that, if Buckingham Palace were abandoned as the residence of Royalty, it would be unneteetelley to retain tuckinghann-gardens. The_v tontaineti 15,000 feet of building-ground, white!) Wotild produce about 1,200,0001. But for oil. rake of better Air, taking only a fourth, and ins?ea4 of co - Vt.:log it With ronOo stiteets and squares (~l- though though that would be a g'teat sacrifice to the lungs of the residents in f3roavereir-pd 'ce), covering it with villas like dine. in the Regent'a Park, the prochice woUld he ahem; 303,0001. By these means W.) ieea a sum than 690,000/. would be left in hood to be applied hereafter to the neces sary decoration of St. James's Palace. He becged it to he otaerved that his pills did not require the imposition it a single shilling of taxes upon the people. 11r. C PELHA3I next addressed the Hautott, anti *as understood to opp,e the rootiotte Lord DIiNGANNOIY heel int - heated to the Hon. 'Mem ber that it was not lila intention to give him any answer; to thin he would adhere, without at the sante time meaning any disrespect to the Hon. Baronet. The facts were sim ply these :—The whole case had been brought under the consideration of the House; a Select Committee win ap pointed ; that Committee recommended the completion of the Palace; he wax authorised to bring in a Bill for the expenditure of 76,000 i. on the completion of the building, and the work WAS now in progress. For the rest, it would he unfair to Mr. Blore, to give the Hon. Member a Ceininittee, fir the avowed purpose of criticising and finding fault with him. Mr. R. GORDON was Leery that the Hon. Member had not been a Member of the Select Committee ; fur, had he been 3n, he could rot have failed to be convinced by the evidence, oral and documentary, that tee plan they deci ded upon was the best. As to the sale of this place, if the Hon. Member mold produce any capit list who would give 4 or 500,000/. for it, be had nu doubt that it would be received. Mr. WARBUITON said that the public must he con tented with the loss of seven hundred thousand pounds; but he was not sure that the walks in the Park-gardens were not worth it. Mr. FIUIT understood that the Sovereign had a per sonal objecti ,, n to this most unwholesome place, which was more like a penitentiary than a palace. Lord ALTHORP did not think his Hon. Friend had mede out his case, that there should be 700,000/. event to complete the Palace. He (Sir F. Tient:l) had given no pod reason. He did not think it was desirable to un• dertake the budding of a new Pelace.—(Hear, hear.) It did not appear to be economical even upon the grounds set forth by his Hon. Friend. And when it was urged that Buckihghatr, Palace was unwholesome, he begged to re. mind Hon. Gentlemen, that George the Third and his Queen had chiefly resided 'here during their long reign. He admitted that the site was mot one which should have been selected for a palace originally, but as the works had proceeded to great i anent, Government deemed it proper to submit the whole question to a Select Committe, whir h was chosen faitly from the House ; and, indeed, if any. thing, conta..ne,l a more than common infusion of these at etched to public economy, and they thought the best plan was to proceed with the building; and the House acting on their report, embodied it in a Resolution, upon which the Government acted, would it then, he a-leed, be pru dent t' retrace their steps, and set about building a new palace, when it was wed known how little they could de pend upon the i stimates ? He objected, in all courtesy, to the production cf the papers moved for by the Hon. Alrm her--first, because some were not in existence; and se condly, because the production of others would be a re-opening of the question, which could only lead, if to anything, to the creation of greater expense. Mr. CURTEIS took this opportunity of observing that he thought the public had a right to ask of the Noble Lord at the head of the Woods and Fittest, or of whatever Member of the Government woo possessed the controul, that the passage through St. James's-park, between Storey's-gate and the Pimlico-gate, should be left open at night. Those gates were now closed at an early hour of the evening, and the consequ rice was that every person who desired to to from Pimlico to Westminster, or from Westminster to Pimlico, could only do so by a most cir cuitous and disagreeable route. Lord DUNGANNON begged to state that the gates to which the Hon. Gentleman referred were not under his charge—they were under the controul of the Ranger of the Park. lie would, however, take care that the subject should be brought under his consideration, and he had no doubt that the Hun. Gentleman's wishes would be com plied with. Mr. O'CONNELL begged to suggest the propriety of leaving the question of what course should be taken with respect to Buckingham Palace, to the consideration of a Reformed Parliament. Colonel TRENCH ;aid that, after the observations made by the Noble Lord, although by no means satisfied that his plan was nut the hest to be adopted, he should not press his motion to a division. The question was then put, and the motion negatived. TITHES (IRELAND). Mr. STANLEY moved the order of the day for the House resolving itself into Committee on Tithes (Ireland.) On the motion that the Speaker do now leave the Chair, Mr. WALLACE rose for the purpose of asking the Right Hon. Gentleman whether he would comply with the request made to him to postpone this Committee for a week, in order that they might avail themselves of the advantage of the information which by that time would be furnished them in the report of the Select Committee, whose labours were on the point of being closed. As yet the House was entirely without information upon the sub ject, since not even a printed copy of the Lords' report had been furnished to it. He therefore implored the Right Hon. Gentleman not to press the subject upon the consi deration of the H , .use that evening. Mr. STANLEY thought that the argument used by the Hon. and Learne4 Gen , letnan for the postptinment of this question was the most powerful that could be advanced for its being taken into itutredi ite consideration. The resolutions which it would be the duty of the Commi►ttee to consider were not, it must be remembered, to be a final (lett-rmin oiun of the question ; they were merely resolu- tirons pledging the House to that hue of conduct which it seemed necessary for them to ad,,pt without lo•s of time. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman said that a very short time only would elapse before the Select Committee would close its inquiries. That might be very true ; but, at the same time, he thought that the House should not take any step which night tend to hasten the decision of that Committee. He th ught, indeed, that the Com- mittee should moat carefully guard itself against the charge of hiving prematurely cio*ed its inquiries before all the evidence had been heard Considering the over w!lehning importance of the question, it was not fair to place the Sele , :t Committee in a situation whieb hereafter might induce persons to suppose that its drcision had been hastened. This would undoubtedly be the case if the Hon. 31ember's propthiriun were assented to. It had been paid that 27 of the Mewhers who usually supported Go- vernment had voted against Government on this occasion; and that these Members iu zemral represented the feelings of the Irish people. Ile would not deny that these Mem bers in general supported Government, but he could not admit that they Vepresentrd the feelings of the whole Irish people. They no doubt represented the feelings of their constituents ; but it was too much to say that other Members had not also their share in the representation of the country. It was also said that Ireland was sin one side, and all the Whigs and Tories of England on the other. That also he &Med, fur it appeared from the divi- sion that there were 314 English and Irish Members for the motion, and not more than 31 again , t it. That cer tainly did not prove that all Ireland was spinet it. He would not, however, enter more into the subject at pre- All he asked of Hon. Members was to waive ob lecti-ni to going into Committee, and di,cus, the great sent, pcinriples of the Bill in the only way in which it could be properly done—namely, in a Committee of the whole I - I , use. Mr. M. O'CONiNELL said it cis not a question whether there were 31 against the measure, and 311 for ir, but it was a question between the great body of the . . . riab people and those wheni they were t ixed to support. He thouibt it not fair to take up the measure till they had a full repor . , or, at all events, till they had the repot t wade to the Ilou•e of Lords. The evidence taken there would be of treat service, and he, therefore, thought i , hould be laid before the House in such a abape a 5 the Cum mitt, e could act on it. Mr. S. RICE said the House was agreed on the prin ciple of the Bill; they differed only in details. They •greed that pros ition ought to be made for the suffering c;ergy, but the mod e in which that was to be done was matter of detail, and, therefore, a proper question to be considered in Committee. Mr. WYSE did not think the question could be fairly discus+ed till the whole evidence was received, and parti cularly till they had the evidence of Dr. Doyle and Mr. Montgomery. fie did not consider tie clergy entitled to the sum iw irded to them. Mr. BROWNLOW disapproved of a debate of that kind on a preliminary motion, and thought it would be better to go into Committee at once. Mr. H, GRATTAN would rather poetpoce the coo- silo ration of the question, but would not object to going into Committee. Mr. LEADER agreed in the propriety of going into Committee. After a few words front Mr. 'WALLACE the House re solved itself into Committee. On the first resolution being put, Mr. RUTHVE proceeded to address the Committee amidst considerable interruption. He considered the sys tem of paying the clergy by ti t h es o bj ect io na bl e in e very instance, and. therefore, could not agree to the re , oluti.in that the payment of tithes should be enforced to make g..od the sum advanced to the clergy. He also objected •to the plan on account of the expenses, which would, in the erri, fall on the people.—(ll-ar, hear.) One of the great objects of the meetings in Ireland in favour of Re form was to get rid of the payment of tithes —(Hear, hear.) It was impossible that there ever could be peace in Ireland so long as the population should not obtain a fair remuneration for their IThour. It was the interest of both Catholic and Protestant that the system should un dergo an alteration, and that the working clergy of both persuasions simuld be better paid. The Hon. Member was about referring to the evidence of Dr. Doyle, when Mr. STANLEY inte-posed, anti said that the evidence of Dr. Doyle was not before the Committee. He begg , cl to remind the Hon. Member that the resolution now un der diAcum-ion was merely a resolution as to fact ; and, unless he meant to move an amendment, it would be bet : ter, probab'y, to allow the other resolutions to he put seria tim, and take the discussion when the whole were moved. Mr. RU YHVEN had an amendment to propose, and although the evidence of Dr. Doyle was not befor e the House in a Parliamentary way, yet it was sufficiently known. He did not, however, mean to cast any impu•a tion upon the Committee. Al er some further remarks the Hon. Gentleman concluded with moving the following resolution:—•a That the state of the prop.rty of the Church of Ireland requires revision and modification, and that a reduction of the Church Establishment has become necessary and expedient, so as to facilitate the ultimate ap propriatioo of its revenues to the uses of their oriental objects—viz., the maint.nance of the clergy. the building And due surport of churches and paces of public worship, and the relief of the poor ; but that, under existing cir cumstances, the present incumbents of parish- s in Ireland are entitled to protection in the arningement of Church property, the future regulations of which should br made upon a basis calculated to afford a proper and suitable provision for the ministry of the several congregations in the respective pirishes of Irel inil, 89 well as to supply the means of materially relieving the poor." Mr. STANLEY said, the Hors. Member who had moved u resolution us an arnendment to the one which he hid had the honour of moving., had been guilty of an ab surdity, for be had complained that the evidence was not sufficiently developed upon the suject of tithes to enable the House to come to a proper conclusion, and yet the Hon. Member had now in ved a resolution founded upon that evidence, which went much further, for it not only went to pledge the Committee as to the state of the Church property in Ireland, but that there should be fu- tore regulations to afford a provision for the ministry of the several congregations, as well as means for the relief of the poor._( Hear.) He objected to this amendment, and he did not consider the present as the most convenient time for going into the whole question introduced by the Hon. Member. Mr. G. KNIGHT supported the original resolution. He rejected with scorn the modern notion that church pro perty was national property.--( Hear.) Mr. H. GRATTAN con.plained that the Right Hon. Secretary held out no hope to the people of Ireland ot ul terior measures, although the report upon which the re solutions were founded, promised a less oppressive mode of collection, and otln r measures of relief, lie considered his Hon. Friend fully borne out in his amendment. Mr. LEFROY said it was objected against the present tithe system that the m jority paid the minority, but, as seven-tenths of the property in Ireland was the property of Protest.nts, it was folly to say that the Catholics paid tithes, whilst the Protestants were landholders. Ireland must either be governed eff,ctu illy or given up, and, if the system of agitation were suffered to be prolonged, it would speedily become anarchised Mr. PENRHYN said that Government was bound to legislate, not for any particular party, but for the nation. The Government was in his opinion, perfectly justified in taking the steps which they had done Mr. JAMES GRATTAN did not look upon the met sure which the Right Hon. Secretary for Ireland had it in contemplation to bring forward as calculated to still the agitation or to quell the unquiet feeling which was abroad in Ireland on the subject of tithes. He was of opinion that the Cocninittee on tithes was very unfairly constituted, for the only witnesses heard were those of the Govern - ment, whilst nearly all the evidence on the part of the people had been rejected, only one witness on their behalf having been called before the Committee. Above all things he deprecated a hurried s, ttlement of the question, for the plan proposed would nut succeed. Io his mind, the Irish clergy received more than a tenth of the farmer's produce. The tithe of dry and barren cattle never was demandable in Ire'and. The people of the north I.f Ireland, by their peculiar habits of industry, or by composition, bad lowered their payments of tithes very conveniently for themselves. The payment fell, with the greatest severity, on the Irish Catholic tiller, who en- ban Ced the value of the land, aid felt how very unequally the burden fell on his industry. Mr. HUNT, feeling there was no likelihood of conclud- ing to-night, said he should move that the Chairman do report pro2ress, and amk leave to sit again. Mr. STANLEY opposed the postponement. After a few observations from Mr. Mullins, Mr. Wyse, Mr. Lambert, and Mr. O'Connell, the adjournment not being pressed by Mr Hunt, the Committee divided upon Mr. Rutliven's amendment— Ayes •-7 Noes 12.`i Majority against the Amendment —l36 Upon our re-admission, we found Mr. NYSE stating his objections to the three first re• solutions. Mr. J. GORDON defended the c; nduct of the Irish clergy generally, and particularly panegyrised the character of the R. v. Dr. Hamilton whose name had been frequently alluded to in the course of these discussions. The first resolution was then put front the Chair, and agreed to. The question being put on the second resolution, Mr. HUNT objected particularly to this resolution. He thought it preposterous and unjust to vote a sum of money out of the public treasury for the support of the members of the rich church of Ireland. He did not know what course the Irish /11..mbers meant to pursue on this resolu tion ; but he should divide the /louse on it he stood alone. The Committee then divided, when the numbers were... For the resolution 86 Against it 11 Majority —75 The second resolution was then agreed to, and the ques tion was put on the third resolution, which was carried witnout any discussion. The House then rebumed, and the CHAIRMAN reported progress, and obtained leave to sit again. The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and :he House adjourned at Half-past Two o'clock. HOUSE OF LORDS, MAficil 27. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE presented papers re• lative to the population in certain boroughs. Lord KING presented a petition from Stoke Daveril for an alteration in the law relative to tithes. Also one from a parish in the county of Meath for the abolition of tithes, and praying for the compulsory celibacy of clergy men. The Noble Lord presented several other petitions against tithes. - The Earl of RADNOR presented a petition from Gor manstown for the abolition of tithes. VISCOUnt CASTLEREAGH, 1.9111 STANLEY, Mr. TREvoit, and orhers from the Commons, brought up the Belfast Harbour Bill, and several private Bills. The Bishop of EXETER presented a petition from Dartmouth, against the new system of education in Ireland. The Earl of ERROL (as we understood) presented a petition front the Noblemen, Gentlemen, Commissioners of Supply, end Freeholders of the county of Aberdeen, in favour of the Reform Bill. The Earl of RODEN presented petitions from Shel burne and Market Raisin, against the new s:,stein of educa tion in Ireland. On the motion of Lord Tenterden, the Couits of Law Process Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be e:,mmitted on Wednesday sennight. Toe Archbishop of CANTERBURY presented a peti from Canterbury against the overworking of children in factories. The most Reverend Prelate tben moved that the House go into Committee on the Plurality of Benefices Bill, and having moved some verbal amend ments on the first clause, Lord SUFFIELD said be must object to this clause, because it left open that great abuse, viz. the commendants. He did not object to the poorer Bishops i•ein g provided for, but he did object to that pro vision being made in a way which had proved itself to be open to such abuse. He instanced the ca.e of a Bishop, who at the same time held two Deaneries, a Chancellorship, two Rectories, and a perpe tual Curacy, and for all this he was informed that he was a poor Bishop. Surely this required it. He and he did not see how this Bill would give t. He was also in forn:ed of the case of a clergyman who, in 1829, having a cure of 120,000 souls, was presented to a Prebendal StalP, in consequence of which he left that large cure for 18 months in order to attend his stall, where he believed he hid to officiate as Dean, and he had only been three times in his own parish. Fur these reasons he could nut consent to this Bill. The Bishop of LONDON believed the Niible Lord meant a large parish in the metropolis in his last remark.—(Hear, hear from Lord Suffiield.) Then he (the Bishop) was aware of the case, which stood thus :—A Clergyman was presented to the living of S•. Mary le-bourn, by the late Lord Liverpool, and afterwards was pre sented to a Prebendal Stall in C•nterbury Cathe dral, by the laws of which he was obliged once in turn to attend for a twelve-month to perform the du ties of Via: Dean. Thee fore, what the Natile Lord had stated was in part true. He, as well as the Noble Lord, thought it was wrong that a CI. rgyman who had a large cure of souls, should also have another preferment which required his absence from his duty ; but the statement of the Noble Lind was rather exagge rated, the parish was a large one, but it had been divided, and taere were now five chur,•hes, so that his cure only amounted to one• fifth of the 120,000 souls, and while he was absent, the Church had been well supplied by other clergymen Lord SUFFIELD observed, that it was with unfeigned satisfaction he had beard the atati-ments of the Right Rev. Prelate. But he roust leg to remind him, that this was a Bill professing for its object the restraining of pluridities, and he thought great odium would attach to the church after the Bill passed into a law in its present shape., for the puolic would never believe that a Bill admitting of such abuse as the present one did, could be founded upon a real and sincere wish to reuse ly the abuses of the Church. It was on that account that he felt so anxious a desire to introduce the amendments he had proposed. The Archbishop of CANTERBURY, befere he an- NI ered the observations that had been made by the. Noble Barr, toast make a few remarks with reference to the character of the clergyman who had been so invidiously named. It was highly creditable to that individual, and the appointing him to the living he then filled, re ' fleeted the highest credit upon the Minister who had placed him in that situation. That clergyman hid for some years been a minister in one of the most populous towns in this country (Birmingham), where he had lived respected by every person who knew him. As a clergyman he had been most exemplary in the discharge of his duties, and when the !wish of Maryle bone fell to the Crown, Lord Liverpool, who had not the least personal knowledge of Dr. Spry, knowing him only by report, gave him that living, which in his (the Archbishop of Canterbury's) opinion, could not hive been better bestowed. The Noble Duke opposite (Wellington) being aware of his merits, bestowed on him a Prebendal Stall in the Cathedral Church of Canterbury, and a more worthy individuil lie could flat have se'ected. The Most Rev. Prelate considered the amendments of the Noble Lor.J were most irreeular, and he could net ; therefore, consent to their forming part of the Bid. Lord KING thought it no palliation of the abuse that it was old and custemacy. The law gave the power to Bishops to compel Rectors to make a reasonable allowance to the clergyman who officiated for them ; but that did not extend to Colleeiate Bodies. He had heard of an in stance where the Clergy of Exeter Cathedral drew an in come from a certain parish of six or seven hundred pounds a year, arid allowed the officiating clereyrnan only fifty or sixty pounds a year; and he had presented a petition from the parish, complaining of this. The Bishop of EXETER had made inquiries into this case, and found that the Noble Lord, as often happened, had been misled by the statements in the petition. The fact was, that the officiating clergyman had an income of above 1001 , instead of 501. or 60/. The 501. or 60/. was allowed from the Choral Fund of the Cathedral, and the rest of the income was made up in another way. The clergyman in question had never made any complaint, and the clergy of the Cathedral had since agreed to make up his income to 150/. a year. Lord KING—His case was made out on the Right Rev. Prelate's own admission. He had not advocated the cause of the clergyman, but of the parishioners, who com plain: d that while a large sum was raised front the parish, so little was paid to the clergyman who did the duty ; and it was quite coalmen for a parish to make an additional al lowance to an officiating elrrip man who had two little from the tithe-owner. It appeared that the clergyman in questian really had only 50/. or 60/. from the Choral Fund of the Cathedral, which was made up to about 100!. by the parish, and now, alter the case had been exposed, the collegiate clergy had been at last induced to mike the ~aine allowance as a rector would have been compelled to make. The Bishop of EXETER denied that any part of the officiating clergyman's income bad been made up by the parish. The Earl of .HARROWRY—The question was, whe ther the Bill would no good as far as it went? and he thought that it would. Another opportunity would soon occur of legislating generally respecting the property of the Church. He found, by returns on the table, that there were 2,200 livings where the clergy were not resident, and would support the Bill b•cause it would at least dimi•- nish by that evil. In his opinion, the persons ss ho enjoyed the great tithes ought to intke due provision for the per form ince of the parochial duties; and with regard to pluralities in general, he thought it would be a great im provement upon the present system, or even upon that which the Noble Lord intended to introduce, if certain small Church prefern•ents, without cure of souls, were permanently added to extensive livings where there were heavy duties to perform. The Archbishop of CANTERBURY admitted that there were great abuses on the part of imptopriate Rectors, both lay and ecclesiastical ; and he should cer tainly not be opposed to any reasonable plan for remed; ing those abuses. Lord SUFFIELD should be quite ready to give up his amendments if he could look forward to any assignable period at which a remedy might be introduced for the evils acknowledged to exist. He recommended the Most Rev. Prela'e to withdraw his Bill for the present, and bring it forward again in a more complete shape when aufficierit information was before House. The Duke of WELLINGTON considere l that the Bill went as far as any Bill could at present go. He was per fectly ready to admit that there was not much informa• tion before the House respecting Church property. In deed, on the coot, arv, he thought it particularly want ing in that knowledge ; but he was at the same time of opinion that they possessed sufficient information to form a judgment upon that Bill. He entirely dissented from the N..ble Lord opposite in thinking that the House could with propriety fix the amount which a Bishop should en joy ; they would not under take to say that 3,500/. would be toa much or too little for a Bishop—the Crown alone wle the fitting judge. There were some Bishops whose incomes were as low as 8001 , and he knew one al low as 5001. He would contend that arrangements connected with those matters could only be carried into effect upon the r, sponsibility of the Ministers of the Crown. The Earl of WINCHILSEA, as a sincere friend to the Church, was extremely grateful to the most 11,-v. Prelate for the Bill then on their table, for it certainly would eff,ct a great improvement in the Church. Earl GREY entertained no doubt that the Bill then under consideration would be beneficial to far as it went. With respect to the amendments of his Noble Friend near him, he should strongly recommend him to reserve their proposal until that further information of which he spoke should come before the House, and he should advise him not to press those amendments ❑ow. The present Bill should throughout have his support, for lie thought that, to the extent it went, it would prove highly beneficial. The present was a Bill which, as most Noble Lords must know, went to affect the Royal preroptive. He had, therefore, found it his duty to take his Majesty's pleasure upon the subject, and he was authorised to state that the had his Majesty's sanction. Lord SUFFIELD should gr e a o n n t s i e n n g t di t s t p : s •i: t h iu 7 s w wi b t i h s amendments; but be did hope that sorne arrangements would be adopted to put an end to comma:darns, and to fix the sole r e sponsibility of the Archbishop of Canterbury. Lord KING looked upon the present Bill as the mint. Manz of Reform. If there were to be pluralities, and great prizes in the Church as they were termed, he thought , hey o ught to be reserved for the persons most distin ffilisbed at the Univer,ities. The clause under discussion was then agreed tie, as were several others, without observation. Lord KING moved the omission of the clause &lowing the union of benefices distant so far as thirty miles from each other. Lord SUFFIELD recommended his Noble Friend to put his amendment, so as to prevent the union of bene fices unless contiguous:. Lord KENYON wished that the Bill should be post. poned for the present. Lord WYNFORD also was of opinion that it would be better not to legislate at all on the subject, until the House was put in possession of the information which it was intended to lay before it relative to the state of church property. Lord HARROWBY supported the Bill. The LORD CHANCELLOR concurred in the opinion of the Noble Earl, that there was no ground for statiog that the Bill was an encroachment on private property. Lord TENTERDEN would vote for the clause as it stood in the original Bill. Lord KING wondered that Noble Lords, who felt so much for the distresses of the rectors of large London p 3.• riches, said not a word about the curates :—De minim s non crtrat lex.—(A hugh.) He wyuld withdraw his amendment to give way to the suggestions of his No! le Friend (Lord Sitffiek!.) Lord CARNARVON objert-t1 to the Bill. . _ The Bishop of LANDAFF objected to the violence of the remedy of the Noble Bdron : the Bill was an improve ment as it stood, and an earnest that more would be dune hereafter. The Archbishop of CANTERBURY admitted that the mea'ure might do individual injustice ; but contended that it way inevitable. Lord \VYNFORD contended, that the Bill was unlit:- cesi,ary. The Marquis of BUTE was of opinion, not only that plur lities were unavoidable, but that they were a great benefit to the church and neolie. L'rrd SUFFIELD coroplained, that during the whole argument upon this 13:11 the good of the clergy only, and rot of the congregation, was taken into elnsideration. He declined to divide the Hothe, as he saw clearly that the whole bench of Bishops would be against him. The amendment was then negatived. Lord KING proposed another amendment, to provide that pluralities above a certain amount should be held only by persons who had taken the highest honours at any of the Universities. Lord TENTERDEN observed, that the attainment of academical honours was no just criterion of talent. The Archbishop of CANTERBURY said, that a worst test could hardly he named. Lord SUFFIELD supported the amendment. Lord KING aumitted that the teat might not be per fect ; but it was the best that could he pointed out, and quite as good al the Most Reverend Prelate's rule of thirty miles. Tne ao•ndment was negatived, after a few words from Lord CARNAHVON and Lord SwF Frau). Other verbal an;e❑dtnents having been agreed to, the House resoin,,d. Rep, , rt to be received on Thursday. Their Lordships then adjourned at a Quarter to Ten Thursday. YORK ASSIZES, MARCH 24. Sarah Rich, Samuel Taylor, Jane Taylor, and John. Turner, were charged tvi:h having, on the 23d of April last. burglariously broken and entered the dwelling-house of Martha Clark, at Laughton, in the West Riding of York, and stealing therefrom between two and three hun dred guineas and sovereigns, and a quantity of plate, and various articles of silk and linen. After hearing- evidence, The Jury found Sarah Rich and Samuel Taylor Guilty, but acquitted Turner, on the ground that he was a receiver only. Turner was then tried upon an indictment for receiving sullen property, knowing it to have been stolen and found Guilty. Nothing of interest occurred i❑ the Civil side. NORWICH ASSIZES, MARCH 27. A number of cases, principally highway-robberies, were tried to-day. One case occupied the Court a considerable time, in which the prosecutor swore positively to the iden tity of nne of the prisoners. The several witnesses wider went a long cross-examination, but, with this exception, none of them could swear to the persons of either of the prisoners. On the part of the defence an alibi was set up arid established by a number of witnesses; and the evi dence to the good character of both was strong and satis factory. The JUDGZ charged et considerable length, observing very minutely on the contlictirg points of the evidence. The Jury, after a short consultation, acquitted both prisoners. His Loansuir then addressed the prisoners, and told them that they left the bar without the least imputation on their characters. The men were both of respectable ap pearance, and one of them very much affected during the trial. On the assembling of the Court this morning, intelli gence was communicated to Mr. Baron GURNEY that William Houchen, who had been found guilty of sheep stealing yesterd,y, but upon whom the Judge deferred passing sentence, as he said he must consider whether be should not mike an example of him, was found dead in his cell last night, having strangled himself with his b.nal kerehi-f a little after ten o'clock. A noiPe was head by the prisoner in the adjoining cell, when he rang the bell, and the gaoler attended ; but life was extinct. A Coro ner's Inquest was held on the body during the day. PRIM; OF STOCKS THIS Mink Stott; 3 per Cent. Red 3 per Cent.CMlF. •••••••••' 4 3! 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Provincial Bank of Ireland 25 Van Dieman's Land Agricultural Co l2 xi 8 0 MONMOUTH ASsIZES. George L 909, a young man of dishing appearance, whe wore a fashionable black coat and velvet collar, a bla, k silk waistcoat with a turnover velvet collar, and a black velvet stock round his neck, was charged with rob , ing John Newman of a check on the Abergavenny Bank, some silver, and a knife. John Newman, and old man, dressed i❑ a long brown co.,t, with pearl buttons, and a red figured bostler's wai-t -coat, said—l am a farmer. I was at the Cow public house, at Abergavenny, on the 22d of October, with my wife and a servant named Edwards On thit day I hat received a check for 131. 4s. 6 , L, drawn on the old bank at Abergavenny. When I had got about three-quarters of a mile from Abergavenny, my wife went a late before me to shut a gate, my servant Iseing a little behind. Three men then rushed up to me, and, coming behind me, one of them put his hands over my eyes face, and threw me down. They searched ail my pockets, and turned out my trousers pocket, and cut it off. They took away the check for 131. 4. 6 , 1., six or seven shillings in silver, and my knife. The men then left me. I was neither sober nor the other way. I can't say I was exactly sober. The whole matter did not last five minutes. I got up and saw the three men going away on the road towards Abergavenny. I told my wife, and she pursued them. William Edwards, the servant of the prosecutor, said I was with him and my mistress at the Cow public-house, at Ahergavenny. The prisoner was in a corner of the public-house smoking. I went on the road following my master and mistress, and met three men, of whom the prisoner was one. I followed the three men till they jumped over a gato covered with thorns. I there lost sight of them. lam quite sure that the prisoner is one of the three men. I was quite sober. I then went fur the constable. The prisoner, in his defence, said he was innocent, and had been in prison 23 weeks on u false charge. Verdict— Not guilty. TIIE MURDER AT NORTHAMPTON.-- The proceedings on the inquest touching the death of William Marriot, who was brutally stabbed by a soldier belonging to the 18th regiment, on Saturday se'nnight, at Northampton, were re. sumed yesterday. A number of witnesses were examined, but much of their evidence was so conflicting as to the identity of the soldier who gave the fatal stab, that it was thought proper to again adjourn the inquest fora week, to obtainfresh evidence. - • CORONERS INQUEST.-SUPPOSED CASE OF CHULERA.—On Monday last an inquest was held on the body of a woman named Sanderland. wife of an Irish school master, residing in George street, Grosvenor square. She was in the ninth month of her pregnancy, but was declared by some medical gentlemen to have died of cholera. Some interest was excited in the neighbourhood on the occasion, in consequence of which an inquest was held, when the Jury returned a verdict of " Died by the visitation of God." The new novel about to appear from the pen of the popular author of " The Ayrshire Legatees, and " An nals of the Parish," is to be called, we are informed, " Stanley Buxton." The subject of this tale is said to consist of the nar ratives of two Scotchmen who had been schoolfellows, and who relate to each other in after-life the means by which they respectively advanced their fortunes in the world. This is a happy scheme for a writer so peculiarly gifted with the power of giving an air of perfect verisimilitude to his fictions. The equinoxal gales have bee❑ boisterous for some days past, with frosty nights, and a low temperature by day. Vegetation has thus received a gentle check, but the weather has not been so severe as materially to interrupt agri cultural labour, and the sowing of grain still goes on under very favourable circumstances.—Caledonian Mercury. CORPORATION TOLLS.—Among the signs of the times may be mentioned a strong and growing spirit of resistance to the payment of dues, exacted by virtue of char tered or prescriptive right in corporate towns, and for which no equivalent is rendered in return. At Stamford the right of the corporation to demand toll on cattle brought to the markets and fairs held there, was called in question, and became re. cently the subject of an action, in which the corporation es. tablished the right, but the verdict they gained was a mere empty triumph, for the farmers and dealers instantly resolved on moving the business to Market Deeping, and were so suc cessful in their project, that the Corporation have found them. selves under the necessity of declaring the tolls to be suspended. At Northampton a similar crusade against tolls has been en. tered upon, and which has been joined by men of all parties, and bids fair, unless the Corporation yield their claims, to do very serious injury tc the trade of the town. The first meeting was held at Kingsthorpe, a village distant about a mile from Northampton, yesterday se'nnight, and was so decidedly success. ful, that a very general resolution was entered into for holding Use next fair at the same place. 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At a quarter-past one o'clock this day, his MAJESTY, accompanied by Sir A. BARNARD, arrived at St. James's Palace, from the Castle, at Windsor. His MAJESTY travelled in an open carriage and four, escorted by a Guard of Honour, composed of the 9th Lancers, which joined him at Hounslow. A detachment of the Royal Horse Guards (Blue) were drawn up in the Court-yard, and their band, in their State uniform, played of some of the most popu lar aits. Immediately after his MAJESTY'S ar rival he held a Court and Levee, which was very numerously attended. No Privy Council was held ; and his Majesty will leave town at five o'clock. It is currently stated in well informed circles, that sixty patents for new Peers are prepared, and can, in case of need, be rendered available at the shortest notice. The number of Peers who act with Lords HARROWBY and WHARNCLIFFE, is said to be forty-three, including some of the Bishops. The animosity of the Tories to the Bill is still una bated ; nothing but the greatest energy and de termination on the part of the Government can save the country from the fearful consequences that must result from a second rejection of the Bill by the Lords. In point of candour the House of Lords stands in a very fair position with the country. No man can accuse the noble enemies of Re form of manoeuvre, intrigue, or tergiversation. The opponents of the Bill honourably state that they cordially detest every principle of Reform, and that if they concede any principle whatever, it is only upon compulsion. They openly de clare that they abhor the Bill in principle, and if they cannot grind it to suit their antipathies in the Committee (which Heaven forbid !) they will do their utmost to throw it out on the third reading. If, after this, the public should place any reliance upon aught but the creation of Peers, the Anti-Patriot Lords • may justly taunt John Bull with being the most insapient of Moon•calves that ever suffered themselves to be buffeted and rolled in the mire. If Lord GREY were to create his Peers at the extreme of necessity, he may say to the people, "I have achieved your salvation ;" but though Eng. • land may hail him with reverence as a deliverer, she could not in future trust a Statesman in clined to such a neck or nothing policy—to put every thing dear to a nation upon the hazard of a die. Lord GREY may wish to say to the Peers, " you must acknow ledge that I did not increase the Peerage but with reluctance, and at the eleventh hour, when you drove me to this last and hard neces sity ;"—but should the measure be too late, how will the Minister answer to his Sovereign ? May not the KING reproach him in these words ?—" I have placed unbounded confidence iii yGu ; I have supported you at every risk and at m e i v s e v r i y th asacrifice ; l people have vigourupheld and an unanimity Un orecedented in history ; and how have you re• l uited our generous confidence? You have •,etrayed my country to its worst of foes, and • you leave me the scorn, the . derision, the mere