The Sun. — London, England, 1814-07-02 00:00:00

nd olit: e ! w pro' .0",1 • catl°Adi t iV ri , top' . ;1 c oYe' Id lc: xhi c : u►°'; ilg ed o' 6 110, ot il ; • I 1)1 1 id o tO t (IP _,. • • Cis° • .„ • • • :• . • ,linguislied the Irish Act, but - that the eat eolati nn eon them had been made at 6 per cent. 'eeckunt•of the di4"erence of the legal interest 11 ' n eY Irelaml and Great BritailL To his , 4 • L e , x ,. t Proposition be did not anticipate much re -`dr'ee, the principle of it not a new one, 0 1 ,'"';ii the applieation of it •It.was w might be 'recommended on gOod-, and vv,^s-about to say, on patriotic ground:. He 4 ° " 14 hnrnbly sug : gest that. a stamp dirty . should e e , hoposed upon all lette r s o f attorney; emPow clr P i ersons on the part of th e h o ld er s o f l an d e d fi; s fun proomity, to receive the rents and :n•o -ofst same ; w i t h respect to the proprietors n ded estate s to those who enjoyed great pos th essi o ' -, the trnpoq would not be onerous, pet.- it could b e h ar dl y f e l t ; w i t h regar d to the 1:3-". P ro portions, if. the result (and he did e• ant icipate that it could be in any degree ex respect t o dim -- class) were to do aw a y eijhorde n of Rent Proctors which existed in hi s I°t rY, if h e m i g h t b e ajw oed the expression of theetitillioctors, one well understood by some who A a , 'ward hi m; if, instead of dr- intervention of t h; Petty agent, who was employed in Ireland u niversally, he might say e ven by th e re - i,topnt t l l4 ndlord, if swill were the result of his r ttet•" ' l t t , to n, as applicable to them,- he would not I by a - e 'at so far his plan would be unproductive. th e' e regulation he could appro x i ma t e great "," 1- to the soil, if even, by motives of no s eldr i ,`"gliity or character, but which yet.were itii o d t without their influence on the Truman 'Lo l d% e "ntributed to an end so d es i ra bl e , h e svo, l i:!' "ot consider this plan as inoperative ; nor Irt•r,ll- Padiument regret to find, that when they professedly with other views, raie . , the gre at cot • )siderations of • publiclp a nti public peace were not too intimate tote,f"ected, and too interwoven, to be sepa . (li t ,' even ;'roin those which they were to i ft ss this day, Parliament would not regret Pr oil l l q d that it had been, at the . same time,. '1 ) 1 . 4 1 . t)t ulg those - great objects of internal Ito ti•l, Neat and satisfaction, which the pecnita- . , ,\1'4,, ()1 the Stale of Ireland called for, while they 40; at the same time aiding that supply which V4di . „ ll was bound to raise, not only without in the saurus of her prosperity, but, in tact, .they were C ontr ib ut i ng to cherish and inr t''fie tht ilti, as to the application of this measure kike4ttled and other property, it was more for the 1414 assimil a tion of principle, and becau s e h e Eee a ,; ° re ason why it should' be exem pt e d, th an , 1 8e mhe look e d i o . any po li t i ca l resu l t fro such. 1, " 1 4 1- P` l jeation., The amount of dividend en is, ' :, l l '"°perty in Irelmid, wh ch was received eoiisitlrowers of Attorney .was, probably, not klatie:r4ble, still opt - in any ground it should he \l 'as -v ' t ,.tahle•t o th e serv i ce o f t h e S tate, an d i t ;t~'re recollected that the propr te t ors o f it, sla t char acter at l east , did not contr ib ute to st a e i xi gencies of the, public. He begged leave - that the amount which he should ° l . duty on the cases he had referred t o , t oiri t ,„ 'le., on every p , lnciple. it ought to be, ttot,. 'slitto• in St , degree , with the -value of u , p il e FA of A received. lie should recommend a ills on the PoWtoi of At- orney, and "N4`the value received , mi si ilar t, piiinciple to die s'a,,- i ' 41 Pp ad v alo rem , D itty on Guses. It sl/I,l.ttant,d i;: the view he took of this part tttrbet,Ptet, O ~ i , rineiple up on which he.re iiiiieio'"(t rt t„ p. t li, i ment, were a fair and just lenislation if it were productive of in- Or, . t , l 'e '' already intrthe•ied resourses of tee hat ter ' what be 'night he permitted to ankici xvhicli !1 er e tohnd to yield those still better fruits, Aby It I- land stated he lik e ly to grow from it, l' . 4t tio l ti erit t . which belonged to it would he the ° I lionourahle• Baronet oppo iaro°Ptiolii().ll4:..l dote him the honour to s'uggest its Posi t • t-low Pattainent might deal witli ii l . l . i t s iOrs • "id ," he presumed not to say ; 'but 4 t ;,`, l ne •,°,l,aPPeat either to this House or the public our lit not to he acted upon, he was teat tli troy' admit; and sincerely to believe too, i,i)°biection arising to it would he owing le.,"ciehevPerfection, of his statement, or to some it - P i tt - 14 1 * e i n him who has brought it before the eshoale,; and any merit which might belong to 11 - Ale„4,.he most ready to ascribe to the Right froni wh ole he had received a sti . g t - C, a(l ant„ lc h if it had been never mewled wit re'ttitnitt ee - ge of his experience authority, the ei c o e e i r. v e tno r v e vn ,l, , llii perhaps be not indisposed to self, c 4,lv ottr)bly,. and with more ea lw ,; 1 101,, could hope to be extended to -4, n ot N, t he same pretensions to public Th e , l ed t h e to authority in that House. He to , -stieht „Produce of the duty 'at 15,000/. t "Y) 4Q-u oitrable Gentleman proceeded - "Pe t eont tv o „ l ,, e- to -e toplated some regulations with th e b e a anie Licenses, on which there h e ° s of /; "1 " 11 increase, and also as to iot,, 4° "d no t 3 ,"kers. With regard to the last, . f ...tided now I 'etiti o the Committee, as it was tr I:1:1 er 11 ,T , a n t'' , r emedy the imperfections of latew"ich a 1 0 - t ° do away misconstructions, Iv as inte o d ed w b er rate of duty bad heel' paid eirsortie PerS Y , the Act of Parliament. 'Of l isro tf r l ;4P ri ,"eipali; z / ,, re "ad taken advantage. of the ,S ta ns Lriti s h 6. w out of an omission o ri ta ° , l P Acts. Art.l„reneY, in one of the former platy Glass t he titibe , 4 e o r. source of revenue was al ,"Se---the Excise Duty on e PVo(l,llce of whi c h took at P4 sed I next it em Itr4 alteration i n the t- came to was a Pl'o - ?°nveYed by Mail, rates of Postage on Let (4, r e, Pated it,creas Ir eland.—Tliongh he hav eve flue, by t h e r,e sit r,'venue in this branch Pri ii i „ t he honour to . su r tti 'm which he should al e et) telorm a system be t' iPal "biect, as wel l be confessed that his , 1 . its its best result, would since . the period of antic` ihat p er i od an toc3-i1 l i.,..lTicontinued defective. tirleeui postage had' been"''e ipa(sisteYde(4)ll) vile the cope t h ' e e y s poii3.°l- Letters been i t allde correspondenCe Mil es ; oar ,was charged as from the metro .° towns at that dis ettelly as that of Whi e i tline s as far fro nttowns was imposed, lievolia heav y ra , e of each i that in addition to 11 ';o 114 Proportioe, 0 ( 1 11tY a rate to th e ,-,',lcorrespondence passing obs erve --t eConimittee would not tll"E• t of:e oppressively this fell upon the s par ts., e( ""ltrY, and indeed upon all - • K'ltetuer distdut or not, where cor- . . was 7 ' respondenwas necessarily to pr.ss through Dub . lin. It fell, however, most heavily on the ctn.- respondence of the south of England; arid of the northern part of this Island, jsasSing through Dublin ; and when the locality and circtim stances, of oar principal commercial cities. was :.considered, he apprenended that he was only cluing an act of fairness. He %VW', sure that he was 'doing that whiel, as a regulation of revenues; ivaS beneficial also; when he reconimended the diminution of that heavy transit cut He proposed to reduce it about one-third. The rate of taxation would also now be taken on lettert upon the same principle AS in this country ; it was intendedtri be progressive accorditi!..; to distance. In Great. Bri tain', the utmost extent charged was three hun dred miles; up to that scale the rate was, as he had stated, proportion:M. It was not - intended; • in Ireland, to go beyond that scale ; but an ad vantage ‘vbuld be had to the correspondence. not only by the greate: distante which would he em braced in 301) Irish miles, but in the difference also of that currency in which the charge was made. - He would further propose to adopt the same principle rospecting the cross posts which he had recommended in the last, Session of Parliament with regard to the direct port, namely, the diminution of the rate on all places near to each other ; and in . fact to carry foe ward the same regulations throughout. He hacl. the satisfaction to stare, that the 'arrangements which be then proposed, bad been attended with the best results. Ile never would con sitter the Post Office as otherwise than auxili ary to the revenue. It Ought never in principle to he made subsen ient to mere financial vitws ; the regulations of the last yeart had more than answered the estizaate he had made of their pro duce, even in that view. But they had besides added tit the general intercourse, and augmented the correspondence throughout the country. He had the satisfaction in reflecting on time improved state of toe whole of this establishment to know, that in the conduct of it every facility, and all im provement, had been given to general inter course ; and those great works for which Ireland was indebted to the liberality ol Parliament, natuelv, the commodious station for packets at Howth, and the improved communication from the works in the port of Waterford, for which a grant of money had been voted in the present Session, would, he should hope, not he nnpr o .. - ductiVe of those results' which their authors had contemplated, and which the Honse ot.Commons had with equal judgment and liberality contribut ed to promote. He would now, - ,withthe permis sion of the Committee, state the produce of the Taxes - for the two last years : - 1.2,744,445 2,779,667 2,455,6R6 2,555,674 745,673 211,678 2,2.0,W9 CUSTO3IS.-1812 1313 EXCISE.-1812 1813 ... STAMM-1812 1313 .. POSTAGE.--+IS.I? 813 Tile Net Produce was— • CusToNs.-181 0 .. 2,157,391 1813 • EXCISE.-1812 181 STAms.-1812 3 1813 POSTAGE.-1812 1 . 813 f 83,000 The nefproduce of Assessed Taxes bad been -1312 ...... L.500,130 1813 . The Gross Produce— Malt . Strung Waters. 1812 1313 Of these the produce for the Quarter to the sth of January was L.204,462 535,855 And the Distillery was at work not quite three months. He would now proceed to compare the estimated amount of the Taxes, as he had stated them last year, with their actual produce. • • He had estimated the produce of Customs with EXcise on Toqacce and Wine, at L. 260,000, The actual produce was— Actual produce in 7:1 months, from lith May Estiraated at 41 L. 28 4 ,4,000 Giving in an excess of • 23,000 He had calculated the duties ou Malt (s. per barrel) would give Actual produce in the Quarter to sth Jail. 1814, was 60,000 Estimated produce for . month 3, in the' commence ment of tiie year, taken trona the actual produce of the quarter to sth April, 1814 130,000 Estimated for other 2 months, making the Malting year 8 months Z. 170,000 giving an excecs of 55,0001. He had taken the duty on Spirits ((id per gallon) at The actual produce had been from lath Oct. 181:3, to sth Jan. 1814 Estimated produce for three months i❑ the com mencement of the year taken from the actual pro duce of the quarter to sth April, 1514 106,574 Estimated for other the months, malting the dis finery year nine wombs The latter three rnuutlis nut equal to the former.. 40,000 146,574 Giving an excess on the estimate, of 56,574 Ills estimate of the Assessed Taxes was . llO,OOO No collection bad been made thereon in the year by the Act, but those Taxes having.On the old rate produced 380,6001. the produce must he.... 95,00.0 And will be considerahly.more than the estimate in this and ensuing years The altetation of the rates of postage he had ex- pected to produc e The actual produce was in 7i months Estimated for 41 t months The Leather duties he had taken at Their actual produce in 71 months had been Estimated for 41 months L. 15,200 5,000 5,500 0,900 He calculated on their giving . L. 8,500 Exceeding the Estimate The gross amount of CustoMs in the year ended sth January, 1814, was L.2,790,409 The average of the three preceding - years was .2,474.030 In , Tease In this branch, notwithstanding the augmentation of the Duties, there had been a progressive increase, viz. ISII L.2,04,000 1813 L 0 ,779,000 Me 2,438,000 • 1814 2,79'0,000 The articles upon *Lich .an increase arose in 1813, were Ruin and Tobacco. The articles up on which a decrease occurred, were Coals, Re fined Sugars, Salt, and Tea, none of which arti cles had additional duties imposed on them in 1813. A false opinion► had gone abroad, that the increase in the duties on Wines bad caused a de crease of the Revenue ; 4) far from this being Elie fact, Vie aggregate amount of ditty receiyed tin hi 1813, exceeded . that in 1812. ,gyp-. pnrentlY, Ihere was 4-ilhng on In the cust oms nuit;n WineS; thiS was accounted fcii in 4 . ,iin;:;outleriee of the revenue iri 18,12 h;'iving been ;welled to- a treater anouut th an the cOli - 7 . ctuuliram of the yeai• called for; owittg to the conditions of the Licences in that year haOng- Stipolated that the 'chides on. Pren'ci %Vines; int:- Ported under such Licenses; must • be paid at the time of the importation thereof: And - attliOngli the preent rates on Wines. are three tinier as high as they stood pr - vvionS to 1793, the customs on ifi the three last years, exceeded the amount Of the three year to 1793 in the sum Of 8S0,0001.• '.This he considered a great proof of the increased wealth and prosperity of the Coun try. Ent if it were the tact that the revenue oh Wines haul decreased, there, boulsl not be the. de - - duction atteopted to he made. It was not trtie that the increase of tl. venue. The groSS at been considerably aug- le rates had reduced the re fount . of the revenue had vented upon the entire con- Spirits, and of Wines col he only.fAir view that Ought [t a jot conclusion on the ing is a true statement of upon the conttunption .Spirit, I Total ..timption Of Halt, of lectively 5 and this k t F 6 re igt-1 Ile tic and Malt. lon Wines, Spirits & Malt. made. Lc 7 e tI • tO 'r en tlt e tiv?'l at tj,C (iU[ies th e Y l S hol.ll o , a die/ to be taken to arrive a - question. The follOw the aggregate avenue Wines. In the ilfree y'enrß, -- 1790, 1791, and 1792 lii the three years ' 1811,, 1812, aird 1813 915,000 Incr. in the latter periud Ave , age annual 1,114,000 3,181,000 476,000 9,0c7,00n 1 ,DGB,OOD I 415,000 609,000 1,207,000 5,303,000 792,000 3,333;000 264,000 I 1,111,00 . 0 ook a view of the and. The result increase "" 158,000 I:h6 Right lion. Gentlenuan t trade and and navigation or Ire of this was highly satisfactory. In the 12 years to 1801 the official value of exports was 12 years to 1814, ditto Exceeding I2, 1 ;19,C00 Lii the 12 years to 1801, the value of imports was 58,3(3,000 12 years to 1814, ditto Exceeding 28,354,000 In the 12 years to ISO', the number of ships entered t inwards Was 12 years to I gl4, ditto Exceeding 1!),IG9 Their tonnage was, - 12 years to 1801 12 years to is i• 1 7,R18.6!10 TOM. 1 Exceeding • 2087,500 Tons. In. all the articles of native produce exported, there: had been considerable increase in the year 1813 over former years: It had been complained, that the financial exertions of Ireland had not been so great as they ought to have been ; but he would take upon himself to say, that since the Union they had been greater than those, who were at that time most sanguine in their hopes,. bad ever, expected from her. To give the Com 'mit tee. a proper, idea of . what she had done, he 'would contrast the total amount of. her expendi 'titre in the thirteen years before the - Union, and the thirteen years which had passed since. In cluding in the thirteen years preceding the Union two years of extraordinary expence, when' the country was in .a - state of disturbance, which God torhid it should ever see recur again, the total ex penditure amounted to 39 millions, and in the thirteen years which had followed tb. expendi ture, was upwards of 116,000,000/. The actual receiot of Reventic . for the thirteen years before the Union was 19 . and for the thirteen years since the Union above 50 millions. Having concluded his statement of the Nays and Means, he had only to express his hope'and confidence that the estimate; which he had submitted to The Com - tnittee would prove to he as well founded as, to!se which he had submitted last year. He, however, felt himself hound in candour to notice a reduc tion of the Revnue, which he should propose, in the course of a few days : it was the Tax of 3s. imposed upon HouSe-keepers not paying other taxes. The total amount of it was about 24,0001. and the reduction would be about one third of that sum. He should be happy, if in any part ' of this statement he had not made himself clearly understood, to give any explanation in his power. • He concluded with observing, that in congratu lating. the Committee upon the result of the mea -1 sures proposed last year, he .was not actuated by feelings of a personal nature ; but it was a sub ject of great satisfaction and exultation to witness the progressive increase of the prosperity of Ire land. It was satisfactory to know, that though she had not been able to make sacrifices which no coun try on the face of the earth, except England, could make, without succumbing, yet' that she had male great exertions, and that she had, at the same time, Advanced in prosperity, in wealth, and •in power. Her situation was not only a proof of the wisdom of that system of exemption which had been adopted towards Ireland, but a pledge that she would one day repay the advantages she had received. tie had, in a preceding year, soli cited the House not to press too severely in the way of taxation, because, if her resources were rashly anticipated, they would he depressed. The House, he was happy to say, had listened to his solicitation. Ireland had fought' a great battle in conjunction with England. If she had not made the same sacrifices, she' 1)(1(1 make many, and if she had contributed so munch in one way, she might at least look with pride at the extent • which she had contributed in another. One Of her Sons had that day given lustre to the Walls of that HoThse. Ireland had given to the empire - the greatest Captain that this or any other .country had ever seen. and (but in the presenm of his Noble Friend, he would mot say all his feelings prompted), he might acid, she had also produced the man, under Whose councils the war had been brought to a glorious conclusion, and peace had been. restored to con vulsed Europe. That Hero, whoth they had the honour that day to see among them, otild also bare told them, that, under his - banners, Ireland Lad opened her heart's sluices ; and, to use the • expres;ion of one - o f the mmost elo • gnent of li Sons —" if England glories ita;; fought; Ireliniti has a right, to participate in tritimphi."—Olear; ,hear Hoti. Gen. then 114Oved hi; _- Sir H. PAI . ..i;EL:f. - iti.o4q!,hierted to thi's taix, it hieb r.bold be; 111 fact; . a Property T n ax; an.nut: big to rate per 'cent. on all the property in wlikh requir e d `those poWeri of attorn e y. , A Gentleman Might, to he Sore, receive his ovrt% rents, and thus escape payiti g but if In. found it.nec'eSsaryto!tmoint anyother , perion tti teceiVe rents; this walla am omit a tax of one per cent: The Right pon. Gentleman most now bear in his mind that the interest of t!ie debt Of Ireland actually exceeded its Wlinle 'revenue 296,3001.. it appeared tn -him; that the pence establishment which 'could he ker*, up Would. amount to 17 millions; of which the p ro p ort i o n would be two , .Addirig to thii about 100,0000. seParate chargei, whieh . !rebind had tc; pay, tbe Right Hon. Gentleman Won't, hare next year to provide for . 2,400;0001. trh,rli wn s uld be required for the expenditure of Ireland. Nom Nbas this to bedone ? Was it by, a roan in time of peace ; or did lie hope to find new tAxes tri that Amount % He '' s twitild Venture to suggest to him, that without takitlg.either of those sour , -es; it might be possibl e t o ri ns e this money by a act tet. collection of the existing takes. It was welt known that; before the Union, the patronage of the revenue .was almoit wholly applied to parlia mentary purposes,. The same system kid beeri employed to a greater Or lesS .CNtent ever since; ThiS system gave rise to all manner of abhses anti neglects of duty, and took 'away the controul that the superior officers ought to have over the bile.; rior persons employed . . He really supposed, that if t taxes were properly collected io Ireland,-the revenue would rise from five millions to seven. This would be an object at least worth 'flaking the experiment. It was authentically proved by papers on the table of the House; that there were great abuses in the collection of the revenue; and he attributed those abuses principally to the system of making the collection of the revenue an object of parliamentary patronage. Mr. PEELS said, as to the observation nelde by the Hon. Blronet on the exercise of pa:ronae, and his idea, that it was equivalent to 2,400,0001. lie must reply, that he know of no such thing he wished that the Hon. Baronet had produced his evidence, or would shelx by proof that the in fluence of patronage had been at all used for Par'..- liamenttary and political purposes.. He should be ready to meet him on such a charge. He knew but of one inst ance o f a b use , an d ttiat w as the case of Beauchamp Hill, which lira )pcited three years ago, and before he (Mr. P.) had any part in the Adiniuktration of Ireland. Mr. DVIS GIDDY said a few t vords,whiclt were 811' JOHN NEWPORT remarked on the statement of the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Fitzgerald), that there had be e n an i ncre a se in the Legacy duty of 15,9001., that it might have been double that sum if the collection of the tax had beer pro perly regulated ; but the most shameful negli gence had prevailed. The Board of COnnuission, which bad received a report that penalties to the amount of 47,0001. had been incurred, iiever exa mined that report ; and one Commi§Sidner, %rho had been requested to attend once or twice; threw up Ills commission, because he said he hid tioder stood his office to he a sinecnre. There never could be.an - efficient finance establiShtiiiiiit,,nidet there was some controul over the Treasury. At present; the Chancellor of- the Exchequer of Ire- Lind, and the Secretary, were either the same person, or, if different; there was no control, except - of the Se . eretary over the Chancellor. should next. Session (unless anticipated) move for the 14 Reports of a Commission' of Inquiry, to which the country %vas highly indebted, and which he regretted bad been dissolved before its. inves-- tigation• had extended farther than the expendi ture of Ireland. ' Mr. FITZEBALD replied. After some further conversation, Mr. WILLIAms WYNNE adverted to the proposed Tax on niwVrs of Attorney for the transmission of Rents to Ab sentees. Ile expressed strong doubts of the policy of the measure, which was, in effect, an Absentee Tax, and calculated to excite alarm, as there was no saving how far it might be carried. The Resolutions were then agreed to, and the report ordered to be received on Monday. Mr. BATHUILST (in the absence of Lord Castle reagh), gave notice, that, on Tuesday, the Noble Lord would move a Vote of Thanks to the Navy and Army, as well as to the Militia and Volunteers. Mr. PEELE rose to .move for leave to bring in a Bill for the more effectual redress of outrages in Ireland. This Bill, he said, was meant -to be subssidiary to that already before the IlousC, for the preservation of the Public . Peace in that part of the United Kingdom, and its object would be to open additional Courts of Justice, and to re move those obstructions at present in the way of sufferers obtaining redress. It was meant that persons assaulted should have the power of bring ing their cases before the Assistant Baeristers iii the District Courts where these Gentlemen acted. There were many complaints that individuals,who had suffered outrage, often chose rather to remain silent, in consequence of the expence and rieiaj of obtaining justice, or retaliated by similar out- , rages. It was therefore proposed, that the Courts should have the power not only of imprisonment, but of assessing damages at the expense of the person who had committed the 4iutrage. . Sir J. NEWPORT seconded the motion. Mr. WYNNE suggested, it would be better to .secure the prosecutor's expenses out of so►t►e dis trict rate . , as'it was likely the assaulter, from po verty, would often be totally unable to pay them. Mr. PEELE said the 'suggestion should receive every attention. Tile same lion. Member brought up a Bill for granting additional Annuities to the Judges io Ireland, on resignation of office, which was lead. a first time. ORDNANCE ESTIMATES, The House then went into a Committee of Supply, in which. Mr. Anson-awl' moved the tail lowing grants : One Million fur the expenses of the Commissary-in-Chief's Department, in the purchase of Specie. 17,9891, to make goad suws iscued purcuance of A.