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INIP.FU?I4I, PIRLI4,AIENT. 110 USE' OF PEER'S. HUIUDAY, JULY i 9. THE Corn Bonn!) , Regulation Bill was read a third time, pas , ed, and iertt to the-Garntnons. 'Fite Bills on the Table were Fis;ed in their re. ,Mr...FoW , CaR; "from Ike T.ix Qtce, pres6ited an Account of the Salaries of- the Commissioners and Clerks liar tht Redemption of the Land Tax, w t . ) to the,2slll,oflast April.. LONDON,CLERCY INC=3I3NTS' BILL. The , Order of the Day being - moll:floe - the third readiner•of - this Billy •-. :•• . • Thi. Duke of gORFOLZ rine and 'said, th:o it was illipagale that'any man in tli - Country coold be more Solicitous than he was, that an adeqtwe -and honourable provision :should be made for the Clergy. But front all the-consideration that he fad been able to give to ,the Bill before them, he must••say, that the principle upon which it pro. leased to effect that desirable ahjctt. was one wholly inconsistent with the principles upon which that . House • had hitherto. legislated in whatever affect. ed .the rights of . private property. He would call upon their Lordships to aay.'whether they could, in honour' arid conscience, pose_ tie Bill, except - the previous consent of every perSon' upon whim) it would oter7tte as a tax, had 'been' obtained The Clergy of London, (torn, the time of the Reformation to the reign of ' Charles 11. were maintained by a certain poundage:upon the rental of houses. After. the great . fire, by a Statute of Charles 11. that poundage' was commuted for a sum certain, and at that roportion:it bad continued until, that minnena. He would freely admit that the salary. was by .no means adequate to the proper main. 'coulee of the Clergy, toad much as hewaa inclined to concur in any measure that should enable them to supp , r(their due rank, yet he. could not bring, himself to consent to this Bill. He did not objet to the princ;ple of increasing theiriidlowance, but to the mode of doing it. The 'Bill went-to impose a tax upon private p!(lljp!ty,.pon property which,-for op. , vAzils, of a century, had ; uodergone frequent trans: lets, every. one of which was cowed into upon the faith. that no particular butthens,•distintl from the necessity of general taxation,. should be imposed 'on it- Ile could not consent to `such an, outrage K u l a those rights which every private man was sup. plied by law to have irk Ids, property. The Noble Da te urn many other objeetim o to. the Bill, and insisted particularly upon the adati.ctd period o f, t h e ses , iioo at which it was brought forward. Although it riliOlt b sometimes necessary to bring forward. Bills of :Revenue and General Defence, 'under those circunistanc,es, yet he did out the Otit of July was a ..proper moment . fOr preferring a Bill po impo'l..ant and delicate as that before their 'Lortlahios. He Would:repeat, On, no one was rime anxious for the honourable maintenance of the Clergy, • not only in London, but through. out the whole of the kingdom,, than, he .was; tie %I/pill& put it to the -conscience of the Revercnd, Prelates (no. person .reppeO,cd 'theta more, - and 1:c was convinced, trick' eGuld pot a 1 properly) ‘i 115 (her they could at The preent and in so thin' an 1111ellititiCC, press so important. a NU upon the Muse. For those- reasons he would move, that jutted of' ' 1 pow" the Bill be read a , third time 1 0 that day. three months.". Lord GR NTAEY . admitted that :the Clergy of T.,ondon bad not a legal claim for an. increase of • salary chargeable upon. houses ; but he contended Ant, inasmuch as that property had increased in a very great proportion since the MI of Charles 11. they had • an equitable claim to a proportional in.' crease. • The Bishop of LONDON'. said, that the clergy of his diocese. were' not chargeable with the delay in bringing forward the Pill at 'so late a period of the Session. It 'was introduced into the Commons as early' as February,: and had been fur many 'd a y s - on , their Lordships' tahle, at leait 'sufficiently lung to allow time for fully considering it. The night Rev. rrelate said, that out of 'the et'PariShes composing ~.„the Diocese of London, there were:Reit a few locum. ':'}rents who hid 2001. a year, a greatistorriion of had only 1501. and 'the Residue hail only tool. hand he performed hie dutyligidly; and insisted upon the Clause Of Residence+, the highest of thßse incomes would scarcely, in' that 14 1 • 1 1ii* aka , trading part of the town, have been suiliCient:to pay 'for the. rent of 3 reputable mansion, • It 41/119 due to the dignity, of. the Clerical fonflion, that some misottable - provi.. ploo should he soda fo! the Clergy, whom t he present Bill professed to relieve ; and as he !,,w oothi,ng oh., jaiionable in :the mode in which it was p r z, i , o .rd tai feet linist'resist the, Articiaboeor !Iv 1.\1 ! , , b1e Mike, and vote that the B le,o. ill be now 1 GE ,41, q tw=`r time. Thr Dukt . of NORFOLK begged:leave, to assure the Rein:rend Prelate, that he never - entelt,sined the. idea of tnioing the alloWanne of an honourable prov. Wort .for the Clergy. On. the contr;ry, he, would give such is propmiti.m his mit cordial f .t t . vi . uft ,• •whenever it 4hauld, he. brought forward tyon the iltinciplcs, that private property was not to he invaded, brit that the fund for maintaining . 411(Aild he treated by .1 4 .111unit:or from national tax,lrif:uss. • . , The .L)RD CHANCELLOR:ttptistid t.h. obser. st•;: . ,r,orri which he had made,, whets !11,04k, , :p0rt of the Cofiunittec on the Bill was.'reeeivett. His Lordship -went into an historicl‘examination, replete with went learning athi curiosity, rot the mode i n hich the Clergy were in,tint..incd antecedent to 'the rv,ignol.lleory ,Ile stated it. to.be,. by the produce of certain aretitir, cm certain StAints' day., fit* total average of which was about 35,.9‘.1. in the t he ; purrpse utincreasinsitlin Revenues . of the Clergy, the Pope, at one rime, thought proper to cle;ite,llveilly. Ivo Saints, whose festivals were to As,usrt,d, certainly much to the satisfaition cif .the Clergy, but not with the entire concurrence of, the Errei,ll ()envie, who did not much relish s uc h taxation. His Lord: shir t with every aft. pr,sirion to support l'he Bill, Was fearful he could n ot sllow it .tu pass in ire preSent shape;, unless the ,fowielit of those whose interests Victe'litcely to 6 should be' first - obtained, 'Were (h ilt E yen zhE case ; there w;' 01.4 clit44; ill OP Bj l Which would ensure irti reject on ; Ire alluded to tlipt Muss, which proposed that' the.incomcs so granted to the London Clergy, - should not be' liable to parliatiseo.' tary or parochial taxation. He never knew so ab. surd a proposition'spbmitred to Parliamenr, and was : surprized how it could have crept into so important a P..iih He wished foi time for fortherconsideration, , for lie was really friendly - to' the principles of the Bill, as far as it proposed to-make a more equitable provision hr the Clergy, and would therefore prefer that the Bill he read a thirdtirnt on Monday, to tht •Noble'Dtikei's AMendrneni:, • • • -).'- •. The Duke of NORFOLK professed his readiness , l to withdraw his. Amendment, and•suggesteAwhether it Woirldwriot be better • tkistuove that the l)ebate Should. be, isSt..poned ,until Monday. Lor(I_,GRANTLEY maintained that it was hut equitable that the ipcorneis of the Clergy should beat reasonable. proportion. to the increased .value of that pr4perty upon which they were originally chargeable. . • The Bishop of ST. 4SAPJI supported .. theitu- - ments of the Bithop of Lortootr, and contended t hat ,the Bill was not liable to the objeetion, chat it was a violation of private property. It was but fair, he asserted, that the Clergy should derive a reasonable compensation from the proprietors of eroPerty, the value of which had been increased a hUndred in many instances, 'slime the - period at which their salaries had been estitilished. - After . sortie further observations from the Reverend Prelate, the Mo. postponitit the Debate:until Monday was : agreed to. . INSOLVHNT DEBTORS DILL. The Order of the Day for going intO a Committee on this Bill, was, on the Motion of His Royal High. ness the Duns of'Cotexce, discharged, and the same was ordered to he taken into consideration on Mooday.—Adjourned. HOUSE OP COMMONS. THURSDAY, JULY 19. A Person from the Tax'.Oftice presented an Ac. count of the. Sale of thN L tii i Lix, from sth April 1803, to sth April 1804, with ce l ttain other A. ootrtas, which were cutiere4 in lie on the Tallle. A Person from the Office of. the Chief Secretary of Ireland, presented the Reprt . of the Proceedings of .the Conuoissiooers of the .Treasury and Excise in Ireland,' showing the Balances in the 'hands of the. Colle6tors.--Ottieted to be printed. The Habeas Corpus and Testifteanclum Bills were read a third time, and passed.. The Stclitirra'aY at Watt presented a:. List of , the Officers of the British laa'nd Forces upon Half. PelY• On the Motion for the third reading or the Bill, for appointing Commissioners to inquire .into' the Feea, Gratuities , and , Emolutnents . 6l.oifices in Irc. lanch — • Mr. GILEs taid, that some Clause, ought to be introduced into it, as to Witnesses not cripinating themselves in theirdeposiiions before the said Co i n_ -missiOners, in the'same manner as had been done in the proceedings before the Commissioners ofNaval inquiry. Ije thought that such a Clause was fully as necessary in the one 'ca.ie, as in- the other. Me. ALAXAttbEIt• and Mr..DICKILMON Objeaed ,to such a Clause being intrpduced.,,-aa they saw no occas i on f or it, corrnon,law. was sufficiently explicit upon that subjk4l. Mr.' j o r t to T ONa said, he would wish the consi. deration of the Bill to be postpooed o p to the purpose att ! gested by the Hon. GentAinin, might be prepared. It wAs peculiarly necessary to guard the subjed by a special Clause, in the pre. sent instance, in order to defeat the circlet that m i g h t result from, the. extraordinary powers of tht Commissioners., . . •Oo the question being put as in the propriety of intrudueirig such a Clause, h w.is ; alter which the Bill w 3 4. read a third t i me an d p a ssed. A Message from the Lords announced he i r Llr4l - assent to the Isle of IVlan . Fishery Bill, the Le,i tlier Manulaeturers' Bill, the Property Tax Commi.. sinners Bill, the Acc - omptartt;•Getteral , .. Bill, the; Lotter) , Bill, the i s soo,ooa; '9olitof Credit . Bill, the Cotton Manufaeluscre Rill s •the'e6rn Itegulativ Bill, ' and the Woolwich and Charlton Ordnance. Land's Biii. • • , The 101 Revent►e Bill, the Irish Revenue Regu. Winn Bill, and 'the Irish Warehousing Bill, were severally read-a third, time, ,and passed. CORN REGULATION BILL. Mr. WRATERN moved, that the lords' Amend tient* to the Corn TrAtte Bill be now taken into consideration. Rr, Alderman reitdaht urged the pernicious .ef. fete . which the measure -Justi already. produced in ing'ihe price of Comthroughout the-Country, as a reilodif fur ng odefer. the conside ra. tion of. the Atneodnients, vileges the House, to mute fu - ture day.. The St , gnx.Fll reminded the Hon. Memb er , the, House could not. 1).: acquainted with, the nature Of the Amendments till they should be taken intv, consideration. The first step would he to have them read .by the Clerk . , atter:which the liOuse would de.. eidir what course it would be its pleasure to take. After the Amendments were read' a - first time, The Sr BAKER felt it his duty to.call'tha attention of, the House distinalyto the nature of the Amend., 'D e n ts. r i rlrre ,w.ere several, of them of. a doubtful nature, but the last excluded anydossibility of doubt with respeel to ,its interfering wyttkthe Privileges ,of : t h at ii atis e and could not,,Vierfl. ebe eltertained for •a , mumer4, - AmF.riktmel'a i'n,gehedo4. 1), which regulated the rates' at which the high and . low duties were to takeplace intlieinterCOrirse with Ireland.. The , Bill as it. 'Asset! that. House'contained two criterions, 321. pl. the British avera g e, an d 359.3 d , the Itish, and in lesving out_ the latter cri, sermon m a Clause for ,regulatint the imposition . * duties, the,. Lords had made' an :Amendment whicli could not possibly he entertained by that House.--6* (Thr Cperiker ore this consigned the Pill' to 'be floor,) Afar which the-, Amendments were ottlertd to, be read a second time this daY . -three months." Mr. W ESTE ti then moved; that - the . seyetitige, ports made by the committees. of the' liopso 44443 ,the present Session on jlle Corn 'rra4; 60,refcrtg41, to a Committee of the whoie,Hutise tO;moirow. After # fccy v4serv#Lions frocp 414cpup coma- stating the ruinous efts& that the measure had already produced in, raising the Price of Corn, the order was .rnade for Ili-morrow. PUBLIC DEBT. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER mpved. the Order of thC Day, for the adjourned Debate on the Motion respelling the Public Debt. the De bate was then still further adjournedtill Saturciii, on the Motion of the CHANCELLOR of the Ex- CHEQUER, wbo intimated his intention to bring forward certain Resolutions relative to •the- Public Debr, which, according ,to the .course adopted by the. Hon. Gentleman, opposite (Mr: Jotoistorts), he should propose to have printed, preparatory to the discussion of both .on Saturday, or some future day. INDIA BUDGET. Lord C ASTLSRE AGM,- before he should make. the Motion for Papers of which !what, given notice,. felt it necessary to state shortly the objctk he 'hid in view, as it was not his intention to follow up the produdion of the. Accounts .by 'any specific Motion.. —ln the. Debates that had taken place ,at differed times on the Indian Affairs, there had_appeared i bur„ little difference 'of opinion respeding.the Accounts, in Gehtlemens' hands. Rut when Hon, Members' travelled out of these Accounts, and: entered intcs the consideration of.those of fortber years, a.diXer. enceol'ooinion then look - place, because they had not three voluminous Accounts of rite preceding Budget before them. . The °Nett, therefere, of the Motion .with which •hemeant to conclude, was to have laid before the House a aOr.CiSC aceltint of ail the antece. dent andgets for the last 12 years, since the renewal of the Company's Charter, in order that Gentlemen aught at a , single glanee•baable.to perceive the ge neral result, • and to draw just references from impartial consideration of the aggregate Accounts ; wilful misstatement ;had newer been imputed to himself or, his Noble Psedecessor ; nor was it possi. We for either to have been guilty of ,it, as the'means of detection were never ,more ample in any. brarich' of the Public Sarvice, than were contained in the! distinct Record which was annully laid before ihd Howie respeding the Indian Ac c ounts. • -83 . tolirpt!td1 :was the Noble Lord, to his, own,' aitt'hia,.,g r othe ,-Friend's statements, that he was confident Sey would be borne. out by , the ,faft, when the corn. bined Accounts of the whole ten .years should he considered. Two charges had been urged against him and his Noble Predecessor, one particular, 'the other general. The particular one waa: that, in . forming the Estimates, - they took too liniit - ed aView of the probable Expenditure, and that while - they • gave a fluid accoutit.of the Rev,enites of Itidia, result shewed,' that no Surplus Revenue existed, • This charge, the Accounts he should move loi; would enable him to meet. As to the general charge, that our Territories in India would afford aid to our Re. sources, rather than be a burthen on. the Empire, it was at first but a counter assertion, to meet a gloomy • assertion, that our Affiiri in the East were falling .to ruin, and had been completely verified in part. Though.ten year; of War had shcceeded, India had not been a charge to the Empire. With respell to the other part of the predietion, that it would aid the Resources 6f slop Empi tr . ahatrlt.t i_tisAmeaxic.l)... laced with reference to a State of Peace, though Gen. tlemeh seemed to conceive that it was equally appli. 'Cable to a State of War. The' N.)ble Lord theft call. ed the attention of the Houie to the more precise part of the Charge, with respea .to the little Itt. 'tendon paid to .the probable amount of thy;; tual expenditure, which had been the cause 'of making large Loans in •India. On the e mites o f t he last ten years there was_ but • an excess of 3,200,0001. of the liatl4l amount of the charge over the 'sums estimated, .and he put it to the House, whether that difference in such 3 pc.' rind was proof of any great inaccuracy ? The pre. parations -for the Mahratta War had increased the expence eoo,oool. The Mysore War had also swelled the expenditure over the estimate. And this he • trusted would' shew the House, that the • estimates had been as . accurately fratred, and came nearer to the adual expenditure, than any other Public 10antt. • But the 'result was not less 'favourable in iinOther' point The Noble Lord, here ,hewed by a detailed account, •that after • derriy. in ttlte. charges;' Civil 'and as : will: 8, 1 paying the inteiest of the Debt, there remained 4 net -surplus' "Or 2,64,0001. whio, added to.lhe claims of the Compaity on Government,' taken 2,000,cooL7 r goo;0001. of which had already bev . p aau,dly allowed, .gave , a clear net.. surplus' el 4.64,0001. -It was a fair question to ask, liokt that sum had been disposed of, or whether it had ore into commerce. Doting ibis •period I . ,200.000: , Debt had been discharged in the C g arna , ic'; :ne ts; was-an ;increase of 1,320,0001. in the ,baltieeeli cash in lodia, and also an increase of advanees the different Presidenciei to the amount of 200.000 t to which, if the soomool. participation on the pays, ',.oft the Public - in the year 1793, - tivere'Adtleds' 1114, whole woUld • amount nearly' to the surplus.' It did not follow'from the .increase of the debt abroad, that . 'any deterioration took place in theCompany'a Af fairs, because, though the debt increased abroad i t diminished at home; and takirig both into considera. • tion, •it had *teased only 9,000,0001. whilst the,• A.:sets of the Company had increased by 12 1570, 0 00 j. which gave an improvement:hi above ttl - o' rnitliuns The ,Noble Lord did, not wish to see the debt abroad increased; on acedtint of the high interest : but Ns ; arisen from the means of procuring bullion hay. • ing been limited , and the necessity there wa d ofmnirading . .the investments in India., or i)11 curing the. means by Lanus in India. lie contended Akeretore, that the affairi,of the. Company it'ere uot deteriorated,. and . was equally Convinced of the fat.: lacy of the : opposite opinions , advaticed by Gentle.. .men who'toole a pair in these debates, that the Com. meree was, supported by the territory, or the terri •• torY.by . the',Commer - ce. The Accounts of the Com., pany were accurately made up; and When the' Paper's : sisoeld,ba hefere the I louse, Gentlemen would j o dge whether any errors existed. in them. The Noble Lard cnnrlurled by..nioying,' That there,be laid be. fm.the tkouse an Accnunt i shelving - theestimated . and adual .amount t,i the Revenues anti Charges in India for ten.yeors,. from 1792.3 to 1802 7 3, aft er deduding. the Charges for Beocoolen.. Mr, jakasT,)NE coot coded that all .his•stare mentS . were confirtoed completely. byithe admissions ot 'tie Noble Loo, whoac con44t thiiinstdnce . . he, consideredmost - unparliamentary and ttnem.' did, as, *hen the Noble Lord could not meet' the' nbjeelions made_ to the Accounts before the House, he had made a long speech in his justification, lei referring to Accounts yet accessible only to himself.' Such a- defence had not a parallel in the history of Parliament,' except twat of the Noble Lord's prede; censor, which tested on a letter from His Royal Highness the butts of YORK, which had beet known only to the Noble Lord himself. If the predi4ion of that Noble Lord had been well fonttdi ed, in place of owing za,000,0001. at , this day, the former debt of the CoMpany would have bein charged, would hive accumulated t* cover her capital, and the Public would have paid. cipated to the amount of soomool. annually. 'The Hon. Member then conimented on the promise's het out last year by the Noble Lord,.and concluded by recommending to the Noble Lord to - redeem his own pledgee before he undertook fOr his ikede cessor,. ticad CASTLARtikaII and Mr; Geo". JoHlisTenil mutually explained, an the rubjed of the atatements oldie Noble Lord last year.. . ' Mr. WALLACE rose; foe the purpose of setting the lion.. Member (Mr. joHNsToite) right BS to one Point. That Ron. Mernher had been in:the hse biteYeer after year, ef asserting that Lord Mei. vit.Lihad stated, that the public. participation Seao to take place under all possihie cireunvitanees,. whe. titer of peace or of war. - That he (Mr. WALL/sot) denied; - and in • proof of his - position, quoted f speech of the Noble Lord in 1'796, in which +,"Jle denied' having given any absolute positive promise to 'that 'eff.let, and on which occasion the Noble Lord qutited 'his own words on a •farmer occasion' when stating his . eXpeelation of the perticipatioe I he admitted that it might be affefted•by the cond• nuance of the war, but not to the extent.GentleroeP apprehended, as it was not likely. then that the can- tintirst of India would be disturbed."' The Hoe. Member, therefore, maintained, that .the partici'. ..patibn had been calculated on pealCii anti depended oft a continuance of peace. , 4.! .:1 gr. JOHNSTON 4; thanked the Hon. IVlernba ' ' • ' for teeing qUoted• the' words of the Noble Lord, - 41ilch afforded a complete confirmatiow of .rli his ► hWne el with stichicteiimileenetst,oll\;at7atrheinprelntdliiCat,ii.)nnoltta,reid I l e u n t: 1: 1 -:: , ,lc ,ii Wit ; andicappeartd.that there had not beenethres wholeyears of war in Intliri during 'the period of ti n , , Yeats. . . . .. - * The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER rose , merely. 10 ex-pies. Isis sutprizt.:, that the Hon. Gel,. ~rleinan shpulduppost, that the wottis quoted by_hil ',l-jon. friend . were a justification of his aisertioo , because they appiaied• to him' a 'complete contra didion of them. His Noble Friend had said, that undoubtedly the estimates would be all'elled by the continuance of the War, and _had then gone en .tn. say, that he fla t tered hiniself, not to the extent Oentivnen isti pp' °sea: . Al lee' did tioiltraw The-pre rise extent his Noble Friend then had in content. platiun, nor the exaggerated extent to which the Ho". Gentleman', predecessors in canvassing the fedi* 'Midget; likte . disposstl to state,. he could not deeiii* that questi * m. It would have been inconeistent in hi . Noble Friend to have bnpi.sed, that a War Which had o rreineede ile.;e o the. tar. 3 ,..,..41,.. 4 1..,,,j,,pa , eficds Non. Europe, and upon the Pittances of the Country, should- not affect the altArs.of the Y ) °' p h a lt, n i y b s e Y n e a t: s i u n ?o th iti e s .t ; hr i e ,t e l • next year r,eoo,oobl. i a. 41 in rase f o urth year of Ifi n 7 r i 8 i 1 3:1: 1 1 ) 1 a f i ' third r s t d, year o 6 r o o t l :o e 0 \ s o V s l . . i 1 3 i ; ".e t 1 0 1 t h e c o 347,0001. at which iio Ex; editions began to be fittcd I.o'l ott the public IC' count; nem, of the charges for uhich remained still - unsettled. The great objeft of curprize, therefor e ' • was, that pending a ten years' war, during w hich te/° of the greatest wars that' had ever taken place in India hattoccutred, the calculations of a Peace - E•llifia t° ' had been s o little di st urb e d. As i n t h e obser4alic' that the duration of the war in Jtulie hail no t ":, ceeded three years, was t h e Hurt. m em ber 0 1 — aware, that the cxpenc: s inCurted in fliat,titne I n the prosecution Of war 'night ,exceed 10,000,000/'' which would have the effect of delaying: ,th e r i ! .1 i a of snaking good 'tie Liar tit:lo4oon tu•il)e'put ) ''',,', ~ 1 . - -bis ve;)! , not tit ! : poiod for g , ting into derail., 1 ' ) " Papers moved for by his Istohle Friend had 0 0 ‘, • sue neeeity in 'them, not were the itc4ourtu n",'; -- 7 limy filmed werdy a reCArittliatiOn a all 1- ‘ estimates of the' laic tvn years, on the aggregate 0, ivliich Were would ,lie t..und 'only a tivfik!irricy three mitlions, a circnmstative not to be perallelea, in the financial accuente of any .country of EurpPe' Gentlemen would not .find sty thing itew in the ' , Av e r s, but would tint ? ' he was sure, refuse the 0' sistance of the At:c,ilitts to ervible tiOtil'ici Meet 111 e :question in all its_ complicated bearinks ; a nd if if_ i shgultt pot be convenient to.go' into ,tale discussio n during. the prestnt Session, at, leest ar an cart/ lierted of the next, . . . s'• 14e. P! doubted the accuracy 1 , the' , ;stitethents rn4de•.by the . Noble L 3141, or P Noble Predecessor, yet; though he concurred it ' . most of what, they . had advanced, hi felt i coo' P N veit o liw b f l d e iot i ,r o : r ta d h s :e s t e .34 e ffe l a n io e r ti 'd :o frtYo rT ', l - ) t r o c ti : t e a tt ein them.' They 1 1 1" • plied annually alarge sum to' the Uhl of cyminerc e l he could prove that the, commerce - of India pnaseisr l " in iteeltall the resources of which it stood in og e 3 l : Thotigh, if the surplus . of the Revenue was Applie d to'the aid of Commerce, he was ready totonfiell ri' L : It:could not .well be ipplied. in a more profit?` 6 a 'v v h e ic r h y.a th iff e et t :vnla 1• : ,, In ti,e hr:e4 ; (1 1 , l a te tiv ! a l n '.) t n a , ge G % e v i l l , t i l e e h man then proceeded ''' 1 from • ironing Loans in this Ct l ru n n d t i r a y i , a ' b sil i st i ti Cti tiiC il e nti ' r : • which the Noble Lord's predecessor seemed to b e ' rather tots mush inclined ; that mode efraisingLOl had absorbed, nearly 16, millions from India, An" interest of these 'Liat4 had accumulated to a snit amount.; If Commerce did nor rettuire that sump 14 ' -such loans would have been created ; and the Nob le Laid had this day admitted, that the Loans had been raised for the perpoie. Of Commerce, If to IMO- W er .!. ' added the cost of insurence, exchange, and hq v i ktiicOunts',. the amount would be still further incre asa ed very considerably. '.'The Hon, G e ntleman theo • went into an elaborate staterrieer of the CompsoY g Accounts, and contrasted them with those presen t ' td by them, to chew .that the debt- of the Coa l : pany was much greater than they made it'at'Pet . Ile, however, did pa; inteod by thisostiVCPc V'