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iana generally, said, that they were loyal, and that Emmett was therefore obliged at last to march front they were tranquil, that the laws could be admi- his depot at the head of a:: army .of 8o men, and nistered in eieir usual course, and that therefore before he reached the Market House in Thomas there were no grounds to justify them for call- street, his army was reduced - to zo men, most of ing for any extatordinary powers. But when 1 whom were General Offieers. This, therefore, tie_ Ministers held this language, did they mean ; pared the whole of the danger which the Irish Go to convey tm Parliament, that such a miracle ; vernment had to guard against. But evertif had been wrought in Ireland, as that a C•ton- men had 8000 men for his 8000 pikes, the garrison of try which had in a great degree been rendered Dublin was able to have driven twice that number systematically traitorous, should at (ince put on a out of the town. He now begged to say a few words comeletely new appearance, and thanall the• seeds about the Military situation of Dublin. The Gar.. of Rebellion should be completery eradicated from rison consisted of four R giments of Infantry, and it? Government certainly never said any such thing ; one of Cavalry, amounting together, including Ar they did indeed speak in terms of congratulation, l tillery, to 4.000 men. This Garrison was not placed of the increased loyalty of the people of Ireland, and in one paint, but, wet divided into eight dir no fad was ever mare clearly proved. It was, how- ferent stations. The Guard that was constantly ever, but justice to Lord HARDwICKE to state, mounted in Dublin amounted to between 3 and 400 that he did before the z3d of July seriously submit men. Now, with resped to the precaution , ' that to Ministers, upon general grouretsowhether, under were' used, the Cmumender in Chief, when he re the contemplation of the treason existing in that turned from the L.:RI Lieutenant, wrote to the Country, the Suspension of the Habeas Corpus Ad i Officer commanding the Artillery and Ordnance, to ought not to be adopted as a matter of precaution. desire him to use all necessary precautions for their This consideration the Noble Lord did submit to security, aed the most effectual precactions were Ministers, witheur particularly pressing it as his accordingly adopted to secure them from any at own opinion. This was a proof, that his mind tack. 'the National Bank was the next aka, was not misled as to the State of the Country, j which was defended by a:: Officer's Guard ; it was be -His Majesty's Ministers, upon full consider- sides a very strong buiiding, and situated within 200 ation of this proposition, did not think it exile- yards of two of the most censidetabe Military sta dient to adopt that measure ; and he thought their tions in Dublin. With regard to the Castle of Dublin, decision was a wise one, considering the situation nobody would feel more c.mcern than he should if of this Country, which was united !dee one man in any of His Majesty's Castles were taken possession defence of their Liberties and their Independence, M of by Rebel's. But even if the Rebels had taken it, it and •considering the growing Loyalty of the People jwould not have facilitated their operations, nor of Ireland ; because, under such circumstances, it would it have done any other mischief than that of would have been neither wise nor prudent-to have 1 e n a bling them to destroy a few Records: but the ailed upon 'principles of jealousy towards the pen. j Castle was always defended by a strong garrison, pie of Ireland. He trusted he had now proved this i and besides it was within too yards of the Barracks point, that the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland had • at Essex Bridge, in which was the 6zd Regiment, neither taken so superficial nor so unwise a view of consisting of between 6 and boo men. Between the state of Ireland as to suppose that it was a Comm. seven and eight o'clock, the Artillery Officer re try of complete Loyalty, and that no measures 1. ported that his stations were in a state of perfed se ct. precaution were necessary. The next charge I curity. But the Commander in Chief did not stop was, that Government were not possessed of full here, he made other arrangements ; he. augmented - information on the - subjed of the InsurreCtion. some of the Guards, and others he ordered to he. Ntw he begged leave to contend, that it was not augmented after it was dark. At half past six a subjea of blame iii every case, if Government o'alnelt he sent orders to augment the Bank and the were not in possessiOn of every sue t , and , • . " • Guards with so men each, but the reinforce. the Conspirators might adopt, because in some cases ments were not to match till after dark. He gave or it was adually iMpossible. During the • former ders foe Guards also to march to the follo wi ng p la ce s, • - Rebellion in Ireland, the System of Terror was viz, to the Lord Lieutenant's, in the Park ;to the carried to such a pitch; that- it was almost impose 'Royal Hospital, at. Kilmainham ; and to the Guard Bible to obtain intelligence: In the present , it was at Kilmaitlidu, each a Serjearo. and twelve men ; equally difficult to obtain intelligence, though from • , twenty men to Chapelizad, and an Officer's Guard a different reason, fir •the secret was in so few to Clondaikin, were toe . Ponder-mills were. He hands, that there were scarcely any means of obtain- tru , tcd therefore that it would .appear that the Corn. ire iet'ertnation. The -explosion of the powder-mill madder ia Cc iet load not neglected the necessary in te,H , :lostreet, however, determined the Conar: • ..tetioioas for the security of Dublin. It now re rotor, to lose no time in carrying their ;lot into exc._ mainea to a ;nw these precautions operated when c ut i o n ; yet the secret was stillconfined to very few the attack. I , c e out, ,it appeared that two small p ers ons, namely, those who were suffered to go to 1. parties were seriitaeto, completely to disperse the the depot, and they were not above eight in number. Rebels, eten.belore aoy other parties could march But after the explosion of the powder-mill, Govern. to their .assistanca. As soon as the Insurrection merit did obtain intelligence, for the Conspirators was known, parries marched from • the Royal Bar wrote from• Dublin on the iSth of July, to some per- racks, :and he held in his hand, an Official Statement sods at Belfast, requesting assistance, and that cir- of General Dun, - who commit:ldea. in. the Barracks, cumstance was known to the Government on the ztet that night, by a hich it appeared that between ten in Dublin. Information was also received from many and eleven o'clock, the following parties marched channels of the intended Rising on the zest, 22d, - from the Baracks, viz. one hundred Foot and e a o eft July_ Upon the ground therefore of fifty Horse, to the Lord Lieutenant's, in the. Park ; information, it appeared that the Irish Government fifty men to the Bank, three parries of poe hundred were not deficient. He came now to consider whe- • mer: each, besides some .smaller ones, %vele sent in •ther they had adopted , proper measures of precau- different directions ;in all 4.70 - foot, and 5 . 0 horse tion ; and in order to decide that Question _they were sent from the hartacks e and theterem.ined must estimate the extent of the danger, to know. besides 600 rank and file. There was not therefore whether the measures of precaution were sufficient, the slightest ~presumption for imputing any negli„ fie' would first examine the extent aaf the danger as • gence to the Commander in Chief; in tact the pre_ it appeared a priori, and then as it appeared in the • cautions used, when compared .with the danger, actual result of the Insurredion. The Conspirators might almost appear more than was necessary. It had not determined to ad till after the explosion in was the death of Lord Kilwarden and Colonel Patrick-street, and then instead of adopting the Brown, that gave a degree of importance to this condud which was adopted in the former transadion . which did nut really belong to it, for - Rebellion, of communicating the secret to a when it came. to be examined in a Court of Justice, - • great many persons, they only communicated it it appeared to be a most contemptible effort of a • to a few. He begged the House to consider what wild and extravagant young mao, and had mote was the situation of the Government of Ireland : discouraged ..the Rebels and brought the cause of Re_ they knew that an application had been made to the j hellion into more contempt than any event that had 'People of the North to rise, which application was ever occurred; and this was Mr. Emmett's no ' -so coldly received that the report made to the Con. table receipt for overturning the. Government •spirators was, that the North would not all. It of Ireland ! He was not however surprised was also known, that almost all the Counties in the' that the public mind of that Country should be a interior had refused to an, and that the only sup. little disposed to criticise upon the transadion, for port von which the - Rebels could depend was from - though the Government was not surprized, yet be. the Counties of Kildare and Wicklow,. and one Bit- yond all doubt, the public feeling of the Country rony in the County of Wexford ; and it .was known was- surprized at this most extraordinary attempt. that there was not any considerable body of Rebels But there was no transaction that was examined that could move speedily to Dublin. If under . these , a fter it was over, there was nu battle that was cri e circumstances he had been ca ll e d upon to consider ticised after it was fought, in which some, error the subjea, he certainly could never have enter- might nut be found. One of the charges against twined the supposition that the Rebels of the City the Lord Lieutenant was, that he had not given of Dublin could have held so absurd and mad an written orders to the Commander in Chief ; this idea as that they could, considering the garrison was a charge which he • was sure the Commander that was in that City, have entertained any hope of himself would not make, because it was a thing 'taking the Castle. The man who however did nor usually practised. It was true, that in o n e in attempt to carry this scheme into execution was a stance, written Orders were sent to General Lake, Mr, Emmett, a young man of an enthusiastic mind,. when he cotnmanded in the North of Ireland, but who in consequence of the death of his Father, be- that was under particular circumstances, and could • • -Came possessed of about 30001. and this sum he • not be necessary where the Commander and the thought it right to embark in the erojed of over. Lord Lieutenant had the means of verbal commu .. fuming the GoVeriOnent of his Country ;he did nicatiun together. It had been urged that Pa rlor, as had. been done on former occasions, run the t troles ought to have been sent out ; but if such risque of detcdion by applying for subscriptions, i extraordinary measures of precaution had been adopt - brit proceeded upon his own capital, and colleted a ed as would have induced the rebels to lay aside very considerable quantity of pikes ; but certainly their design, time consequence would ,be, that Go - not so many as had been stated, for instead of Soo° v e rnenent would have been the laughing.stock of the there were not above 3000; but even if he had Country, for they. would not have believed that any colleEted 8000 pikes, it never could have entered danger existed. Besides, in that case, how could - into his head that he could find eight thousand the Government of Ireland, under these circutn men - in Dublin to use them, which certainly would stances, have applied for any extraordinary power . to • not Katie been very easy in such a City as Dublin, Parliament They could not. have laid such a case and with such a Garrison. • Indeed Emmett did before Parliament as would have justified Mini not seem to have bestoWed much consideration sters in proposing, or Parliament in granting these 'upon the subject. It appeared that he -applied powers. Another criticism which, had been made to some people in Kildare to join him ; they were upon the conduct of the Irish Government was, that prudent enough, however, to make some inquiries they did not call out.the Yeomanry ; but certainly as to the means he had provided to ensure success : that would have been a most humiliating display of - Emmet replied, that he could not communicate with alarm, when the Garrison was Completely sufficient them at that distance, but if they would send two for the defence of the town. Another criticism confidential Delegates, he would shew them the was, that the Lord Mayor was not apprized 'tat. . means he had provided 'they did accordirigly send the danger ; hut he contended that this was two Delegates, who arrived in DubliOimmediaiely not necessary, as information was sent tothe • previous to the Insurrection, and were takeeneby him I Superintending Magistrate of time Police... At the to the - del of in ,Thomas street ; but they . were so time of Mr. DzsrArd's Conspiracy in this t , COW!. satisfied that the means were insufficient, that they try, he had no doubt but that Goeermotiett made such a report, that scarcely any' of the people took the necessary- precautions to ne-et aey at e from Ktldare assisted upon that occasion. Mr, I tempt, bat he did nut appreheed that they beet to ment, the valuable time of P,Jliament, was no t i t° be taken up with this martct—if this wa , to be It'e specimen of attention—this the sample of diligence°i this the scale of vigilance by which the anxie t Y,, Parliament for the welfare of Ireland Was to u e measured, he must repent 'of the vote he gave) as an English Member, for the Union, and now as an Irish Member protest against this apa thy in the House towards the interests of Ines land. Such must be his feeling, and such i sentiment, if this Inquiry was to be refused that was, he must repent of what he did as an Bob lisp Member before the Union, and in his present capacity of an Irish Member complain that Ireland was not fairly treated. But not only was this 111° ' • tion supposed to be improper, on account of the va' luable time of Parliament which would be taken "P by it, but it was improper also, because the Yalta' tile time of my Lord HardWicke was to be taken P f by it ; and it was asked how the Government 0 Ireland was to go on, if this motion was carried,' for then he would be compelled to co me over to t b ,,,, j5 Country fur his defence ? Here he must dis claw : every thing personal in the present m otion • the noble person supposed to be the 01°° interested in it, he had no knowledge of, others , wise than from the Government of which h e ' v t the Chief Magistrate; he had no knowledge of 01, Lord HARDW ICK'E ; he never saw him, nor ever heard of him hut as Lord Lieut. of Ireland. He beg ged leave to say, he was not to be understood to Ins tend saying of that Noble Lord any thing personal; disrespedful ; he talked of him merely in his ° I ; cial capacity on this occasion : but still when ti t question was, whether he had governed D el ln well or ill, he must be allowed to speak his 011 , freely, nor would he take the plea in bar which offered to this Inquiry by his Noble Friend, Ott the' Noble L:)rd had no time to-defend his cond f a c , What if he was obliged to come away from 1 ; ? g land ? What if he he a valuable Chief Ma ist fa A -e I " He hoped we had within the land fiveh ° , - c r ' i e t c Y as good as he." He saw no absolute n ece r ea for his remaining in Ireland. If he had in ctir w hy the suspicion of Parliament, he saw no reolefote he should not be recalled and brough t ` ) ,, - t let that Parliament to make his defence, and an 'vtjas appointed in the Office which he now holds. 10 , this difficulty of recalling a person in a high s ' i rie i tion so extraordinary, that it could not be re o • ail to ?—Had it not been thought necessary to reca l l General rox, even although it now there was no objection to him was now ly admitted there was no objedion whatever to t condua of that gallant Officer, and yet he Was ity~ called. He; knew not by what chain of neees s ' o f Lord fiAttuw ICKE was so bound trythe o was adrnitt o , ce Lord' Lieutenant be accused, he cannot come - home tcydellold :hat howevcr h.e.; 1 1 : 3 1f 1 .. Upon this; subjed .. Of Inquiry, his I`4oarbo° 1c 171.1 took three grounds, and erdeavouied to g them, to shew 'that this Inquiry was itliti r° P. r .;,,o: First, that the Government was not onti ll Y duded upon the subjed of the 231 of July 1tot;. Secondly,. that the danger' of the day : ,"?.'e s i c ityr : so great as it had been eei: t esented`i•-' 1 . 4 . 1 .M0a a ground which had , no relation to :02, 6 ;,0ry• tion ; that since ; ;the, surptize into' which, ( .*. g vet"' ment was thrown upon that occasion, ' 3 t o A a. ment had been vigilant. Now if he wer e o nio n mit the truth of this last ground of JusL l ll ;f6t o of Ireland ; if he was to admit in its.„-j.,,„"''„t,of G the assertion, that from the moment ."'" l 'd of whatever it was proper to call it, on t he July, Government had been the most vigorouir't o f gilant and alive that ever existed, yet n ° r a de a the accusation upon which this Motion was fou s os would have been answered, for this Motin i ll : pot founded upon an allegation that they 'diTiolY; use proper precautions before and on the 23d ("1,01 the Motion had no reference to any thing s c oo had happened since that period. Now it o''' os veE t plained of as a thing improper, that a bette r - had been held forth on the subjed of the- have lity and Happiness of ;Ireland than one' been, or that the real state of thing s 01 w °l2. S 3it' F il rant ; and upon theSe topics his Noble rt ictils t that he had stated his' opinion with no P,casio° emphasis, but that what he said on th at its j w a s to be taken with shades and ualific atr e ,o6 `NOW, Mr. CANNI N G said that his ccoll 7/3P s dhs e ' th a t these shades and qualifications,withwltics, were vent speeches di his Noble Friend abotO de onill it)r never Made when the assertion of the 11.3 7 1 n t; ll3‘ . and Happiness of Ireland was made. But W k l iea assertion was complained of : as being ce and fr,-; fans, then his Noble Friend turned rann“ duced his shades and qualifications• of 'wh at ; og 'This reminded him of what the CHA NCE the Ex c EQU ER had said in iha t Hot& tV i t` e d ; jea. He, insisted uponit that when he tal'ce;lJ prosped of Peace, he did oast say profound re°e.vio 0 the• Word profound, usually accompanied IL ts ti; Peace; they usually went together, he ri te reason for it, Mr. CANNING said; unless iiteration, for they both began with a rl n exi'eacd that Ministers wou;:l ; deal fairlrwt iiistchts Meta ;he wasof 6pinion'that r ol he words of ,; ( 1, especially when they were prospeaive• slu r l i e u ) 'Weighed' well before they were deliver ed, j° l ., e d i i r f . riot understand the idea that men were t°,,nistcroc fools for haVing believed the words o f a that ose 1 - or that it should be thrown in their teeth' but fooN could believe them. Now th c o ;Wh e i ; was a , ,ked why they did not to in with tl they believed the assertion that Ireland 14uslie, to be tranquil and happy, these shad es 311 ° be Er s e cations to accompany their belief, so .1 5 t BO pared for what had adually happen ed „vet e , l to were not loose or vague assertions; theY al if i eu re , serious assertions of a Gentleman well cluoiacoo make them, and for that reason likely t° ° a v atll. dip for them when made, from the grea,, t a olc j gd:el he was well known to possess by local s l : i f 00 1 / and therefore it was not matter of won t ' et edi t. , t , House of Commons gave That asserti°' ibc 'But his Noble Friend had said that t.'ll, e gan plosion in Patrick -street, GiVOrCirne"t 6 ,p10 s 0 14 think that all was not right.—Now •thte.tion t c) e iG was on the I6th of Duty ; the Ins ult o e ! v/ 3 9 place on the 23.1. Here was a pet in " L oin" Pt during which nothing was done ; no - P tec- reason 6 t lip taken, not withstanding this onabundan ; be 1 O r precaution.' The explosion happened e i% e which ought to have put i\lioiters on acquaint the Lord Mayor of the Orcumstanee.--- With. regard to the attsck made upon the Lord Mayor's house, the faA was, that tour men went there, and the arms in the house were delivered up by a servant who was in the Conspiracy. Another charge was, that the Troops had not ammunition : he believed that the Rebels entertained a very dif ferent ()elision upon 'the subjea, but the fart was, that the Commander had given orders that every man, in addition to 6o rounds of ball cartridge in the Barrack , , should always have t z rounds in his pouch, so that no blame could he attributed to the Commander in Chief upon tharground. Besides, when it was considered that the Troops could not act in a line in Dublin, but must fire by platoons of not more than six or eight abreast, it must he obvious that 12 rounds each man was amply sufficient. The Hon. Bart. had stated that the Superintending Magistrate slept out of town that night ; how the faSt was he did not know, but if he did, that was no imputation upon Government, which had given him the necessary in formation, and it was perfeStly well known that he had given orders for all the Constables and Police Officers to be in readiness. He bored the House would excuse him for going so much into detail upon the sUbjeCt, but he conceived it to be his duty to do so, and he hoped the statement he had made would convince the House that the Government of Ireland had conduSied itself like a wise, provident, arid Vi gilant Administration (here there was a great cry of" hear! hear , !") ----He wished to ask, what was the conduCt of that Government after they knew the•extent of the danger ? - They had pursued the Treason through all its ramifications, they had deteCted the Traitors in every part of the country, they tried the Criminals by the ordinary Tribu nals of the Country, and had displayed clemency whenever it could be dcne with safety. Upon the' whole, therefore, he contended that the Irish Go iernment were not ignorant -of the general state of the Country before the insurrettion, that they had information of the intended rising, and consequently were not surprised ;: that they took the proper pre cautions to meet the 'danger that threatened them, and that after the InattrieStion, they were indefati gable in deteSting and. bring the Traitors to trial before the ordinary' TribUnals of the Country.— Upon these grounds, therefore, he contended that there were no gtounds laid to induce Parliament-to grant this. inquiry, and therefore he should vote 1 against the Motion. 111 r. CANNING said, that before he- proceeded on the discussion of the subject now before the House, he wished to take some notice of the ground which his _Noble Friend who had just spoken had taken to oppose the Motion, a ground which might be urged against every Motion that ever was made or ever could be made for any Inquiry whatever in that House into 'the comluSt of any Administra tion ; a course that 'Might do to:screen any Govern merit' however liable to-perpetual - attack; and-which to a Government thaf:Was not very strong iri itself was the more necessary for that; for many, and some of them particular reasons. It was not, in -his - opinion, wise to attempt to day down any general rules to govern all cases of motions for Parlia mentary Inquiry. The grounds here were three: . two of them were of - a general kind ; the reason for or against the inquiry, was not to be considered as • conclusive on the one side or the other, but consider ed from both together. Each case of proposed.ln quiry in that House should be considered, not with reference to any rule that was supposed to be binding, but should stand upon its own merits. It was inju dicious to say that inquiries in that House are at 'all times • improper, or at times to be indulged, but the HOuse would judge in each case as it ap.' peared before it, would judge when the topics were brought before it, whether the fasts complained were justly So - complained . of, -and therefore _ought to be inquired into, or whether they are assumed facts, and not to be considered ; whether, in short, the ac cusation is justly made, or wantonly made ; whether the resistance to it was made with a sense of the inte grity of the-parties accused, and of the merit of their case, or brought forward to prevent its vileness and rottenness from being searched, and proceeded from an unwillingness to expose it. His Noble Friend who now resisted this Inquiry had not been sparing in his general topics, but he had urged them with a plainness of colouring he hardly ever noticed before. What did his Noble Friend say against the In quiry now proposed ? That it would take tip the time, the valuable time of Parliament.s• Undoubt-. edly it - would do so :- Bst how was the time of Par- , liathent, valuable as it was, to be applied at -all-- was it riot in the exercise of the most important Funaions6lParliament ? And what were those im portant FunEtions-a—what but that of looking into the Conduel of its Government, to see whether the people were well or ill governed ; to see whether those who afted in the Goseinthent . deserved Confidence . or not ? .How could that be'known when connshrints were most seriously exhibited, and cifered to be pro's , - ed, without inquiry. into the truth or the falsehood of such complaint ? HOW could there be any confi dence for the future, 'unless there was satisfaElion as to the paSt ? But the arguments by which his. Noble Friend had offered his resistance to the pre. sent Motion, came with peculiar ill grace at the present time. Mr. CANNING said, he voted for the Union between this Country and Ireland : he was then an English Member of Parliament ; since that Union he had sat in the House as an Irish Mem ber—and he would now ask, how it was possible for that :House,. die great bulk of which consisted of English Members, to refuse to inquire into a matter so generally interesting to the Empire at large, and particularly interesting to Ireland ? Or was he to be told that he tricked Ire land, - when he gave his vote for the Union, as a Member of Parliament for England ?-- Now, that the valuable time of Parliament should be taken up in the discussion of this subje't was, in his opioion, highly proper, for had it not been for the Union, the subject would have been long ago discussed in Ireland—in that House at the ,door of which some of the outrages in question were comtnitted : The very House in which the Members would have assembled, .had nearly been a scene of aft-ion : They , would there have most as suredly instituted an inquiry, whether they had or had not been pio.perly ..dented by the Executive Government ; but if the inquiry now proposed was to be refused on the ground that the tune of Parlia. /-''.-