The Sun. — London, England, 1814-11-09 00:00:00

i • ‘.l l thttt~t'w Ight their consideration ? but noT f u l l 0 . °s uit's as might trade existed have parties will come forward to tkeZseilicsiti time deliberation. As to 1 11,.,' 1 )le t o o t the country, he. must join with 44: 4 etati op r .' in congratulating the House on ill the revenue • an increase which usid er ; • _ • aule credit very branch of- the till. • co , . on t 'fleeted with this complicated sys the eVents of war, continued i 4 . , t 'st b e , P . er ioci Of 20 years, are reflected on, I , • g111 , , r s • • that we • it : at , • atistactory to know, . ee 'tY o ° t 4 .‘Y k und resources .to answer every tildehi ° hi' own but have been enablA to ore, _ ,„ I„gar,eply oral hand to assist those countries but for such 1 1, tv er it List have shrunk from the contest. 'rar -4 vio g -ci . 3( ne rcumstance of - a war like the ' 14 t ratl e al-ce'sarily have had a serious .effect on ittes. in anufactures and occasioned dis tki,htse l a ud losses . in all our establishments ; : at length all subsided, and those iptkler ce 11 ' 1 which have heretofore. made our il it Zre. tde envy and admiration of mankind, •. , s est ablisli e d on their impregnable bases. tiNtio."o trouble the House with ' 1 1 ( 11 ns, but conclude by cordially any further ‘ ti r N seconding k o! s tion being put, apause for some IN . ‘ l / 41 . 1 , r ig taken place— tt,,ll4,li2READ rose.—As no other Member t t ;iie t °Posed to offer any comments on the r hl t . °f tl i • N • oble Lord and 1-I tin . Gentleman, 4t 4 ri SSa eCe • • itt sa rY. to offer a few observations on qi tt 'lik t ' i tself, Which they were. called upon to tielii,'Previous to that, to express his surprise, 1 6i° stl ti th e Pri nce R egent ' s S peec h , nor in it 4 ie teb 1 4t had fallen horn Ministers, or from ~,,Iclit „ e t t s 0 the Pri v y- C ounc il, h a d it been N l `it lii .' o " why it was desirable that Parliament f - ° early. They were told - that the th,t,' tohe country xvere in a flourishing situ r't considerable military exertions. must N t lth e and that tht re were large arrears . .1" f • I they must pro ar, For Orbw at the means for - carrying on• the war 4, I , pro 1/41t jj and for meeting'. the arrears of , I °Y i \ J v a l o '.. in „Europe, were to be prnYided yhdliient, could not have been . un 're to ht Hon. Gentleman le 'd of .. 1e Tre, ituances, and to .the First• Lord • I,„'"EY.; and he (Mr. IVllitbrea44 for. t'lllof %1 ti!' of opiuion, that in the Fontein- , i-s e thin gs an amp l e prov i sion hart 1 10 i l 1 i 1 " last S ess i on of P ar li ament; t h at l -%c, t ,1 tilts t hr a p er i o d f ar b e y on d t h at a t• ,tii 4 ", )( lie c ;,7, e re now again called together. He that the Speech would have con . ti„"tt Paradp stating g r in what respect the • k i ° l- is of the Right Honoura.b . le ta t , ' i t' th e ucen disappoiated. It wa..s ode 4 ,f c , ° "vse of the summer they had h Y th e °hinders in finance having been ...tt aticeiior of the -Exchequer; T'e'as , 0 0 . 4 t ill anticipation of a new 14 L! been considerably depressed, HOnourable Gentleman thought call t • t 6. declare it was not his inten tllY 'r( hie ; b these things had not. sot sit at t h• the cause of their being called . R . is ti ri t he He-now - deSired to receive . h, % ; 1 1 Gentleman himself, from. his ' 4l '4 fl ts or • ,teli, ; ti l; • ancient colleagues, .some expla-. "'la "et {object. If the Chancellor of the beeii di - appointed in his expecta- L4;eitt-PRetil.hts been would be confessed ; l ed t vents, the real cause of their be 7 rrinZetber at this time cyotild be made . ktli t Ql i ted A t i , e l Y were now brought back by the ilo c 4,(r ess to consider of what - he would lent questi on ou• the subject of the o,: v a r , to whether. America hail t `t~ te ol"Li an unp rovo k e d aggres s or .— 'ilt t e ttle,, go back to w ear y th e House with I ,il it ' t ilee sb °l - 41 h e h a d felt with respect to the f l t, e tw which, een the tw o co un t r i es , w ith liiels, „. ' l. 4l , r eti, he lra-i often fatigued them, but this i t his opinion on the origin of- the l e remailled unchanged. His opinion. was the tact, that he ittr b alixious to state i E N e . r egard e d as one of those who CCI11.• it " ill l a te alo ue to 'blame), that the war Iv, th e F e te ' weak c ounc ils - of -this court sitiatileY carn e to th e question, ''What " on n which we now stand with Itt ii .l ) , it 'hi: i American War - ?" be mist be ex t,i(ih, fore ri tenltl not there 'agree with the Ad -4 House. Th e Noble, ord (Lord „ 1 )4( 1 , upon himself-to assure them t t t `"4t t u ad beau left u n d o O e . by- Govern to u1(1 he. done by them to bring the i t i ti e _h;lt' we a .. Pacific euneltwon.• He wished.to 'e now the differences between the tau. l es L„,, -e 3Of --ry were they still fighting ?•—• .ttt ara I:, the rupture, as set forth in the in of tsar, were well known ; but trt qtbliQi t o l e _ s. s . e . t forth in that declaration those t ti Inities were now confirmed ? Were t tti 'title 0 . 'lv'. thi s I was England now at war (and Ailio question might be answered) for a af tl , 4r Y ? 117.1 s flusher object, or were the '4l„ t t ., war, . t impressment of seamen," ti, ri I t If for the last t •e a .g s . N 0 b e i t desired to know if. these were at e 99cd in the Congress ; and if ( (le t , (1 d en it was the intention of Minis ( ttili.Powelys America what . was conceded to l'tt t • d t 3' nt. The Noble Lord, to spew the :„ 4 11 t to the was unprovoked, had re klr. l 'Ole of the correspondence which ttittes..l,"ace between the two Governments. `ect. 1144 care-I")deutilat part of it particularly, h eeit • IL 14d on by a.Right lion•Geht• .I ,!s I,,G,e)e whom h e was astonished not to I. l 'tl it t e,,bure, as lie had often before told Itt , 7"11. Gentleman to his face;.any (-vid eo , • lei, of ti • cc of a pacific disposition on te eto 14 ) 1, 11 1 11 : 1 th e He repeated it,:at the :Iq:i , tek • • 't tonourable Gentleman' -to , 11 i t t l • ' s ,' be wci - s astonished, Nothing,. lio r , p o i. e thought incredible in life— . 4 'hit) hi es. But had Ile not had de ki• 'il, 'Of , 0 44 t ' e fact, he could Out have be ott sta. the s.otinent of that Right Hon. Gentle fitvirl,g e th e ill , la c t i . ( l l he now filled, with t(Nor Arig , latnat t tinder weigh, the blue ,` her head , with the Erigligh Arnbas- Ltit sit lye could hardly have thought it eircunietance would -have kepi him from attending that House when his own ap-.' pointment was likely . to be discussed ? He must acknowledge that' lie had made the amende hOnnr able to his rorraer, colleagues-, since he had ac cepted a situation under the very men with whom he would not condescend to advise. If he ad mired the honourable amende, made by his Ex cellency the Ambassador to the Court of Lisbon, equally did lie admire the selection of him for that situation which, he was going ' to fill.—Had he, been chosen to go to the 'Congress at Ghent, he %vas sure he (Mr. Whitbread) should not. have ap proved of his appointment but to pitch upon him to go to "Portugal, where, as there was no thing to be done, it Was prOhable he could not do harm,. was one of the happiest selections that could be made. Why an AMbasSador should at all be ap pointed to the Court of Lisbon he could not tell. But hr the expence which this appointment threw on the country, be would not begrudge the Right Hon. Gent.all the honour Of the situation he had oh tained, nor the stipend attached,to it, nor any of the distinctions to which it might lead, eventhoogh the red ribbon (as it had been rumoured would be the case) should, to crown all, be conferred upon him, on the arrival of the Princenegent froni tht Brains. He could not but feel some surprize that the Right Hon. Gentleman should have left all his favourite questions to their 'fate. .Time Hon." Gentleman then,joined in -the tribute to the memory of Gen. Ross and Colonel Drummond, ' anti said, ,if the loss of such men was deeply felt by those who, dike the Mover and SeCoader of the AddresS,. thought the war hat) been well con ducted, how much more mast it be deplored by those whowere of opinion it had not been carried on well-who thought the' cotidact of the Admi nistration, and particularly of the Naval Admi nistration of . the couotry,, had, been such "as to Make enquiry indispenaible. with the whole commercial interest of the country, would ai:raign the condnct of the Navy Board during the. Am erican war. Could any Member of the .Admiralty in - then m the }loupe idfortn them, hoW it happened that, with innamerable.iie,ndaots of all descrip-., dons at their disposal, the ,British flag was lonnq to affOrd no protection to - the British trade ? That shoals of privateers visited every sea, took posseSsion of every merchant ship, and were still left onchastised? He was now todook,to what. had been done on,the Lakes. not Ministers been guilty of the folly--aof the ChildiOt folly. of sending out frigates in frames to America, there to he conveyed up the rapids of the river, to con tend with the Americans. for superiority on the Lakes ? This was, part of their wise system ; but things still more graye were to be urged against them. Their negligence bad left a gallant. Officer destitute of the means of successful resistance. He had made a desperate effort to extricate himself from the situation in which he unfortommately found him self. The result was unfortunate ; buta Court Mar tial had determined the attempt was justifiable, though his means were not such as to give it suc cess. The even which led to this Court _Martial, occurred through Captain Barclay not receiving those succours he ought to have been supplied with from Sir James Yeo, or from the Admiralty. The Court-Martialwa,s held in February last, and he now asked, if any steps had been taken for calling Sir James Yeo to a Court-Martial, for not .supplying Captain Barclay with. the means he re quired successfully to contend with the enemy ? If this bad not been .done, be should be glad to know if the Admiralty did not tacitly acknow ledge the blame to,rest with,theM ? It was desir able that the occurrences on the Lakes should be strictly inquired into. Lately a variety of complaints bad ben exhibited against a .gallant Officer, Sir George Prevost, who was said to be Coining borne. He would advise those who seem-. ed to expect miracles, because , miracles had in some instances interposed for. us-, not to look. for them as matters of course, and he hoped they w ould well consider, before they condemned Sir, G. Prevost, if it were not possible that he, like Captain Barclay, had done all that could be done with the means entrusted to .his care. The;Nohle Lord had congratulated the House on the great acquisition of glory, of safety, and of territory gained by our successes in the .Penobscot. He, for his part, did not see how these could make Canada more secure, or promise the near ap proach of peace ; it was said, by giving us a new boundary. This, far from hastening the arrival of peace, would be the watch-word for resis tance, and war throughout the United States; and prolong the contest to an indefinite period. It bad been said the business of Washington avutild make a great impression on other parts of the United States. He. apprehended it was meant an impression favourable to the termination of hostilities. He could not but lament that Ge neral Ross had been obliged to be concerned in a measure so discordant with that conduct which had called forth unmingled admiration at the close of the European contest—so abhorrent; so incon sistent with the habits of a free and generous people-- 7 so to be hated and detestetl, condemned and abjured. What had been the effect of thiS operation ? To conciliate to time Government those before adverse it—to put in - motion the militias of States who before were not suffered to march ; to give a new weapon into the bands of Mr. Madison, and to do away time report that had got abroad, that several of the States were likely to he severed from the Union, ;by the ,convulsions arising from the war. Of their private. divisions we now hear no more ; all were united. to revenge this great wrong. In burning Washington, we. bad acted woise than the Goths when they : were before the walls of Rome. They yielded. to the reasoning of Belisarius, who urged, :that to deSfroy the public works of that city would be but to raise a mono- went to the folly of their destroyers. If the Awe, ricans had wantonly destroyed a village in Canada, was retaliation necessary when the . Act was dis avowed by. the American cyvernment ? Iu a late dispatch from Mr. Monroe, :it would be seen this was done ; and it, appeared that an American Officer, who had encouraged the outrage referred to, bad been dismissed in disgrace, even without the form.of a trial. But if this had not.been thine, was. it worthy a nation like Engiand,in a spirit of .retaliation to destroy. the, rising splendour of an infant capital ; to, burn the capitol..in which the. Senate held their sittings, to turn their arms :against the Inonurnents,of art there established, and to descend to pillage private property ? Yet these affairs . there, was a remarkable mystery with respect to the conduct of Sir Alexander Cochrane. Ought we, he asked, to fight for vengeance ? No ; ipit, to, finish the war. Would the burning of Washington, the stealing the President's furni ture, or taking the tobacco and merchandise • of. the unfortunate 'people, tend to hush the war ? No.; they could not have this effect ; and therefore such conduct was unjustifiable. He did not know that it would be considered proper at this period to animadvert on the negociations now going on; but he was not sorry to have an opportunity of saving in his place, what had occurred to him on subjects which were open to the observation of all. When the Treaty of Paris was 'concluded, be thought the conduct of the Noble Lord (Lord . Castlereagh), except in one instance, deserved the approbation of Parliament. He, however, could not shut his eyes to facts whiCh came out before that Noble Lord set out far Vienna, and before theclose of the last Session, which seemed total ly at variance with the arrangements proSpectiVely looked to as the result of the CongresS now Sit;; Plug. He had lamented, the probable fate of the Little Republic Of ; Genoa, and the conduct of Austria in ,Italy, in attaching totersell the Italian' States, and declaring the System then acting, upon should be lasting. He' lamen'ted that Royal Families, now restored to their ancient inheritances, had not learnt in adversity to treat the countries over which they presided as the pro perty of th e subje c t s r a th er than of the Sovereign. He could not but wonder that men; however cramped their ideas, byedieation, superstition, ignorance, should not.lrave been taught by mis fortune that the interests of their people were their own. He feared few of the restored *Mo narchs had received this salutary lesson in the manner. he .could wish, and that some - of them, on returniug to power, had recourse to every 'means . they - could.think of ; •in order to .put out of men's heads all idea of their having'a right to be free. This feeling had manifeSted itself 'in the rude and unfeeling reply which had been given to certain patriots, whit had. pray ed that their little republic might be spared 5 . " that republics were no longer in:fashion." If such a spirit were abroad, and he feared it was,` and in one quarter of the Continent it was knoWn to be so, it was to be feared the COnSequence' would be the loss of liberty, which was the worst of all consequences, or a new s truggle for freedom. The people, it was to be apprehended, would be com pelled to ;submit to slavery, and make • a • new effort to expel those who have so misconduct ed themselves, When he.heard that great part 'of Saxony was to be given-to Prussia, and that Saxony was to be,- no longer a Power in Europe . , felt great: .sorrow, and thought • not of the King, for his fate was but a secondary conside ration, but the people were unjustly dealt by.— The King of Saxony had not the same -opportu nity for changing .as .others 'had.- Boonaparte had possession not only of his country but of his per son ; and thus circumstanced, he remained with him till the .batile of Leipsic. For this, was Saxony to be divided among the Coalesed Powers ? Such, a division would be as unprincipled An act as was that of the partition of Poland. With re spect to the last mentioned country, it was known • that a general feeling had got abroad in the world, in favour seeing the kingdom of Poland resror .The Emper6r of RusSia, who might be sup posed most interested in opposing this, was un derstooi to be willing 'to consent to it; if the other Monarchs of Europe would abstain froth seeking further • aggrandizement. Monarchs were often very fond of being magnanimous at the expence of others ;• Alexander NV lingto be so at his own cost, if Austria•would sist front- her attempts on Italy, if Prussia does not seek to extend her ride in Germany; On the part of •the Prince Regent, an act had transpired from which he thought evil might be augured, and for doing which, if there was any one:thing in the Prince's conduct, since he assumed thereins of Government, which more than another would 1 : hurt the King his father, could he be .made quainted with it, was that one thing: Ws Majesty had been made King of Hanover . . - This, he be lieved, bad been done by an Order in'Council. In the new state of things on the Continent, the Prince, instead of being advised to say, " let us preserVe the titles and distinctions anciently attached to our terriories," had • said, on perceiving - the other Electors of Germany were made Kings—" Since they put on regal state here, ill dress up my' fa- ther like them." - It seemed there 'was to be an arondisseinent of territory . for Hanover, as 'it was called, the consequence of which- would be, Ha-• nover would more than ever be likely to involve us in wars, -by bringing us in, contact with inte rests to which we could not be obnoxious before. The Republic of Genoa, it was now underStOod, was to be extinguiShed. The measure was one of , which .he could never approve. There was a time when the Allies were glad to seek ltssistanee from every quarter—when they conceived it - of importance to bring. Bernadotte; and with him Sweden, into titefr views ; not only did they treat with Bernadotte,- but with one more nearly connected with Btionaparte, a Prince whose kingdom is in the south of Italy. His assistance was .solicited, and he was credibly informed (and he believed it),that a sortof engagement had been made with hint, which if it were broken would be a foul blot on our national faith. Reports had been abroad that his removal was contemplated. • He had heard, that since he became the Sovereign ofNaples, there had been a degree of order and good govern ment introduced, ,and a proscription Of murder which had gained him the hearts of the,Neapoli tans, and caused a striking distinetiori to appear between ;his subjects and those of Prince Ferdi nand. In time threatened progress of the SoVe it -- reigns of Europe to darkness, might happen that thiS Prince would becitme obnoxious to some • of them. He hoped, however, there would be no alteration there; that Genoa and Saiony would be saved, and Poland "restored. Mo 7 narchs • cannot be • ieagnanimous by halves.— Now turning to another subject, Which had,'in no small degree, caused those arrears for which they were called upon to proVide, he could not bits : lament the treasure which had been wast,ed.,.the :blood which had been lavishly shed in the Penin sula, and whiCh, though fruitful of glory, had not given us.that predominance .which we bad a ,right to expect.. He. grieved to.fiati Ferdinand had unhappily. learned nothing from his ex perience. Nob Ody could 'witness • the scenes passing in Spain,' Without wishing - an end out to those evils' Which . - the inhumanity of the Sovereign . inflicted do On' a whole country. desired to • ask if ' money had not been advaneelf froni . thisicountry to'sipport Verdiriand in des potism, and the inquisition ? "fa' travel on The Continent, and see the Inqiiisitionre-established; ' the Order of the' '.leSiiitesirest'ored, and to mark the various 'schen4s . df . ag.giandisement have alreadybegon'to ilevelOpetheniselves, it 'w'a's difficult' to repress a fearlhat the result - of; the Congress at Vienna will he less 'SaliSfactor'y than we Once expected: These subjects he should' not • have called the • attention of the - HOnse 'tollow, had - they not been force:l'6lton hitt by the Address • which hehad been called anon 'ro'.Vote ; but so called upon, be could hilt suiVer' (he first day of the Session to go over off ,t iti g his;-opinion on the various - topics enibraced in the Speedlt. The Hon. Gentleman concluded wit a • repfObitt ing the - tonduct'of Ferllinalid*.Vll; to the larty 'of the Cortes, and therumoured 'sdrrender of two Spa-' niards by the 'Governiir - of Gibraltar: He also expressed' a hope'that the Slave Trade Would'he eitingoished by' the' Congres's at Vienna: The' Ciumetm.on - of the 14.."%e'ritotfett would shortly go OVer apart of the topics upon Which the Hon. Gentlenttinhad*toneked. He would . not follow hiM through the extensive field . %whichhe had:trod;as lie had'hn rod ueed matt'ef - s- into the' dis; eussion which-did not' belong to"the prel•ientsub jeer. There were Many topics on which 'allem- her of Parliament cOnld freely offer his' ientintCliti on which ht,' in his Official situation; 'Could not with propriety enlhrge. The chief point on which he 'thought himself bound to gi-e alt explanation' Was on'e which related to his' department. It - was - asked Whether any pecuniary - assistance had been. given to the King of Spain to 'assist •hitn'ine . putting down the* . Cortes and restoring the Inquisition'? He was able most positively to state that no pecuniary aid had been given to Spain beyond the amount of the subsidy granted with the consent of Parliament for her co-opera tion in the war. Had any advance breii uide,lt would have been on the account Of Government', which would have been responsible. • With' 12- spett to the Spanish individuals who were said to have been giVen lip by the Officer commanding at Gibraltar; 'he had 'been *hitherto unacquainted with the fact ; but an enquiryThtight be 'made into the subject in the course Of a Very feW days. He would not' now revert to the past, and eater into the causes'of the American war. The HotiSe was not called upon by'the Regent's Speech to do this. It was only , requeSted to renew what, it 'had already repeatedly done'; *What had been sanctioned 'by large majority after examiiiing the, palters and documents relative to the question, acid - what had been etnbodied in the 'Decla ration issued - by Guverinnent The flOn.'Gen- Oman had stated that onr - cnodnet at WLishitig ton; in 'destroying, the public building's, would have been a disgrace to the 'Goths and the Vandals. It was alWays painful to defend riteaitires earrNd : beyond the Usual severity of military operations, and it wa's 0111 snore painful for Officers to exe cute them; 'but'in the present case; their neces sify-eCitild be Made out. if we found among the American OfficerS . a spirit of revenge anal fury that could only be repressed by retaliatio%l,. then our Col - atm Would lye justified in the eyes Of God and man. 'The HoliOnrable Gentle.. than' had attempted 'to show, that the acts for whiCh we had retaliated bad been - titian . - therised, and rePrOved by the AineriC:in Coin - xianderS theinselveS. • He Would , prove the 'con trary -by th'e'liernsal of an Official Note frotn American Comnatinter. 'He then reatli 018liatcli from General 'M'Clure, in which he stated, that findin 4 ., , r himself' in clanger of an . attack front 'thq British, who were advancingtowards'Fort Geitege',. he 'had held a Countil of War,,''and' in ecee;e quence of the resolutions adopted, hair - given or - - . deri foi..the evacuation of the Fort; 'the seizur'i. of all arms' and =Munition, - w111.611 't'ere to be • bronglit aWay, 'antl•iii&desrUction the place. Tlie* dispatch added, " at thisinomenfthe Village Of NeWark is in flames, and the 'inhabitant's aee, riot to be spared. This step" lI.iS not been taken without eohnsel, but in Confo'tniiiv to the viev.'s Wridch yOneEKcellency yansinitted to me in tor 7 frier conimunica . tio , :s:" Three dayS . after, another American'Order 'direeted the Commander of . 1 taehmenCio fire Vvith 'red lint "shOt on QICCITs. town, and to give no quarter fo theiahabitants; Stating, at the same time, that the enemy (the British) were exasperated, and burning to invade the . Ameiican territory in their tura. This akar: Was sufficient to she%v, that aware of the atti'ocity of their conduct, the AmeriCans. were also soil vineed of the justice of retaliation on Our 'Wirt. The people who' did not perish amidst the rune:t of kheir habitations,were at least driven out in the most. inclement season, and lost all their, private property.' It was, however, chiefly of the de struction of the'public buildings, that the Hon. Gentleman complained, although • the loss of what shelters- and supports life must have been still more painful , twthe sufferers.. But even on that :ground, what .-had-. been the -conduct of the Americans? . When in the month of . May, 1813, they were in possession -of York, the capi tal of Upper :Canada, this was ; their proceeding-. -After carrying Off, by their•own account,' all' the arms, ammunition, : and property , Of *all kinds which they could remove, they burnt all the pub lic buildings, and the troops .re-embarked. This was a case fully in point.--.--[llere Mr.' Whitbread said, that the nature of the property destroyed Was very inferior.]--It might be so ; the value might be less considerable, but that was nut the fault of the enemy, who, had they' gained pos session of more important objects', would not have sheaved them more mercy. Thecase, he therefore conceived, was entirely in point. If another ex ample* was wanting of the wanton and, desolat ing spirit of the American Commanders,' it was in his power to lay it before the House. He con ceived no body of people more entitled to protec tion, and more deserving to be freed'froM the ca -1 lamities of war than the Settlements of Mora-; Vial) Brethren ; none had, less to do With the con tentions of States, or were more inottensive and peaceable; and yet the tecounts- received from those established in those parts of atiada which. bad felt tilt: fury of Americau. vengeance, state 4,.