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%lion of many ecdegasties, Who regarded the system with hatred because they saw that their enjoyments must cease ; and, by abusing their office, formed a plan for destruction, pretending to serve the interests of Heaven in enjoying, without deduction, those of the earth. Assisted by foreigners, known to be impla- - cable enemies to every thing that tends towards the liberty and equality of citizens, they recommended rebellion as a merito-; TIMM act, and asa `duty prescribed by that religion which ad-" - vises nothing more earnestly than obedience tcrthe laws. They , availed themselves of artful means - for the attainment of their' wicked end, and being, by a generous prcriision of the Con-; gross, still possessed of the revenues of the clergy , the y left the ; most laborious of its classes iai.ndigenec : it is thus that, when some enlightened and virtuous ecclesiastics endeavoured to di; rcinish the evils of discord, others were incessantly.oceupied in' fomenting it. It is therefore necessary that the Cortes should occupy themselves in fixing the destiny of virtuous curates, and depriving the evil-disposed ecclesiastics of the means of doing injury by their machinations. Sirith respect to the Magistrates, it-is certain thatthere are many respectable individuals among them, while it, is no less certain that others have regarded with indifference the public cause, which has been considerably injured by the delays which have arisen in the trials for conspiracy; and as this may in part proceed from the defect of the laws for regulating thesub stantiation of crime, the Government has submitted to the examination of the Extraordinary Cortes the code of-criminal process. ' The apathy of many civil and municipal authorities is also one of the most powerful causes which have contributed towards the evils which are experienced, as they'have rendered nu gatory many beneficent dispositions of the Cortes, -s.nd have not checked, as they should have done, the • progress of the ene mies of the system. The same neglect is manifested by - many other officers. The mutiny . of the Royal Guard, fomented by some of its chiefs, but arising from the same causes - as that of the other re volts, though-it - was - repressed and chastised at the moment by the opportune bravery of the garrison and volunteer militia of .the capital, and the other patriots -who took up arms on the 7th of July, in defence of the liberties-of their country, was not withstanding of considerable advantage to the disaffected party. Lastly, the influence of foreigners ,is Ivelllnown, who have not ceased to sow disunion, and promote discord even among •the lovers of liberty themselves, producing all the e vils which are now felt, and which cannot but fill every Spanish heart with grief. The Memoir next proceeded to describe -the -state-of the na •tion, representing that the frontier provinces are afflicted by nu merous hordes of fanatics, who, styling themielves defenders of Ai faith and of the throne, cause the people to suffer every kind of insult and vexation. In other provinces there exist some small bands which are incessantly pursued by the na tional troops; and lastly, in some of them is enjoyed the most complete tranquillity, the Government attending to their pro tection and prosperity in every possible respect, as far as the existing circumstances permit. The Government; before proceeding to indicate the mea sures it would propose in order to remedy the evils, insists on -the necessity of granting the-supplies of troops and money for which it had applied in its previous memoirs ; and afterwards presents to the Cortes various propositions, which may • be re •-cluced to the following : That the Cortes occupy themselves in fixing the destiny of the clergy. That the salaries of those ecclesiastics who are deprived of • their appointments for disaffection to the system -remain at the disposal of the Government, except what is absolutely neces sary for their subsistence. That the Government be authorized to remove ;from their -situations to others; those ecclesiastics mentioned in the law of the 29th of June. That the . Government be enabled to remove to other points the unemployed' and the superannuated, who shall not have the power to excuse themselves by renouncing the salary. That every person who may receive a salary from the Govern ment, who does not present himself against the rebels, when the town in which he residesis occupied in defending itself against them, shall forfeit- two-thirds-of the same. • That those towns which neglect to defend themselves when the rebel troops by which they are attacked amount only to a third •part of their population, shall provide subsistence for the troops • •destined ro occupy them._, That the Government be enabled to suspend the authorities • whose movements have been tardy, and to replace them'by the former officers who may deserve the confidence. That, as it is not just that the conspirators against the system should enjoy its advantages, the Cortes should declare that the ease foreseen by the article 308 of the Constitution, on the ar rest of the•insurgents, has occurred. That the losses sustained by the friends of the system in con sequence of the acts of the insurgents be indemnified at the ex pence of the latter, by means of pecuniary fines. --That the Government be authorized to remove the military chiefs. That the proposals respecting the magistracy, made by the • Council of State, be examined. That the persons appointed by, the Government to any office be obliged to accept it, underpain,of being disqualified for the obtaining of anyother,.of being deprived of their commissions ..if they are military persons, - .That the, establishment of patriotic societies be encouraged, .and that they be regulated for the prevention of abuses. That those representations be provided in the theatres, which are calculated to excite a lore of morality and of liberty. That a public testimon' of national gratitude be presented to the magistracy and national militia of this heroic city, to its gallant gartison,.and to the Generals, and the rest of the -pa triots, who defended thelberties of their country on the 7th of July, extending the same to all the corps of the army, and of the active and local militia, which have given proofs of their at tachment to the national cause. After a brief discussion, the report was ordered to be printed and referred to the consideration of a Special Committee. PROJECT OF A' DECREE. • OCT. I3.—The Cortes availing themselves of the powers con ceded to them by the Constitution, have decreed -Ist, It grants to the Government for. the permanent army an . augmentation of 29,769 men, and a remount of 7,983 horse. A discussion took 'place on the report. Senores Oliver, Adan, Romero, and others mace objections to it, and it was approved by Senores Saavedra, Alonso, Soria, Recerra, Ye. • lase°, and others. Senor Oliver.—l speak against the report, because the order .e( our proceeding: prohibits me from adopting any other mode •of expressing my sentiments except speaking either for or against a measure. He did not, however, object to the report in its principle, though he wished to make a few observations upon it. It was very proper to grant the Government 29,000 infantry and 7,000 cavalry ' • and he was inclined to believe that .when no more .was asked by the. Government', that that force would .be found sufficient for the publieservice. But he per ceived a blau:t in the repOrt. It said nothing of the active mi litia, which had been put under arias by the Government • without Ministers Laving received the regular authority for that purpose. He did not blame that measure, but he thought that -.the Committee ought to have taken it into consideration. He wished aLso that sonic explanation had been given respecting the mode in which the recruiting of the militia was to be carried ,into effect along with the other levy. ' The Secretary at 'War replied, that though the Government - ---was not authorized to. put more than 20,000 of the active militia under arms out of their provinces, the whole would nevertheless x'.lse employed within their respective provinces. The 20,000 men were not'all called out, and the Government therefore had not exceeded its powers. Senor Septiem objected to the report of the committee solely • -on the ground that an augmentation 0f29,000 men was not • Sufficient. In the circumstances in which -Spain was 'placed, ;the question was one -of political independence, and it wes ab .surd to call any efforts made for that object sacrifices. Besides -the force proposed to be' raised, there ought •• to 'be an army of übsereation of at least 60,000 men. 'lt might be said that the ,Committee could not exceed the demand made by the Govern ment. He did not blame the Committee ; but nothing could • ...prevent the Cortes.from voting more men• than were asked, if they thought more necessary. To secure the political inde pendence of the country, a permanent army of 100,000 men was ,necessary, besides completing the active militia and the com panies which provincial capitals and chief towns of districts might furnish. The Ultra-marine Minister entered into a detailed argument to show that the augmentation required was all•that was neccs . sary under the present circumstances. • .The subject was now declared sufficiently discussed, and the ..report of the Committee was unanimously approved. Senor Salva moved, that to convince foreigners of the heroic patriotism of the .Spanish people, it should be expressed in the act that the:augmentation of the army had been unanimously: .decreed. This proposition, which was applauded by the galleries, was • ordered to be read a first time. MADAID, OCT. 16.—0 n eof those transactions which the most frantic audacity could alone dictate has lately occurred at Thin. The Governor and 25 soldiers of a regiment of the line dissolv- , ed the Ayuntamiento, and shut the gates of the city. - But the loyal men belonging to the naval corps obtained information, '.flew to arms, :forced the gates, obtained possession of the city,' and completely intimidated the Smiles, who relied 'on support .which they found wanting. A Number of persons•were arrest . ed ; but the Governor eluded the vigilance - of•the Liberals. • General Velasco arrived yesterday in' the capital. It is whispered; ,'we know not with what truth, that .General .Igtirillo is not to be fieuirl. The Political Chief of 'Cadiz, in a circular dated the 11th, •••states, that on the defeat of Zaldivar the fugitive's threw away a number of sacred vessels, of which these pretended defenders of ,--teligion had plundered the churches. MEETING OF THE SUBSCRIBERS TO LLOYD'S. A very numerous Meeting of the Subscribers to LLOYD'S was held yesterday morning, pur suant to public,notice, for the purpose of taking into consideration the correspondence between the Admiralty anti the Committee, from the 9th to the 19th instant. Ata few minutes past twelve o'clock JosEPH MAanNATT,:" Esq., M.P., took the Chair. The object for which the meet ing was convened was then stated by the Secretary. After which, Mr..Marayatt said, - that .as many of the individuals present had not read the correspondence which had taken place between the Committee. and the. Secretary of the Admiralty, their own .Secretary should read it to them. After that was done, he should feel it his duty to make a few observations to them on the part of their Committee. Uentlemen could after wards take what.part they pleased, and make such observations , upon it as seemed expedient to them. The Secretary then read the following correspondence Admiralty-office, 9th October, 1822. Szn,—Having laid before my Lords ommissioners of the Admiralty your letter of the 7th instant, respecting the capture of the'British vessels the Vittoria and Industry, by a piratical schooner, near the island of Cuba, I am commanded by their, Lordships to acquaint you, for the information of the Commit tee for managing the Affairs of Lloyd's, (hat their Lordihips had already received an account of that transaction from Capt. Walcot, of his Majesty's sloop Carnation, who bad been di rected by Rear-Admiral Sir Charles Rowley to take up a sta tion in that neighbourhood for the protection of the trade, and who writes, under date of the 12th August, that on that day seventeen sail of the Jamaica ships had passed safely round Cape Antonio, and that he was waiting in that quarter to see ' the remaining vessels also safe. His Majesty's sloop Dotterel was also in the neighbourhood, and Sir Charles Rowley reports that hid attention had been directed to this quarter. In addi tion to which, my Lords have taken further measures for the suppression of these piracies. I am, &c. ' (Signed) J. W. CROKER. Mr. John Bennett, jun., Lloyd's. • Lloyd's, 1.41 th October, 1822. have the honottrw acknowledge the receipt of your favour of yesterday's date, stating, in reply to my letter of the 7th instant, advising the capture of the British vessels Vittoria and Industry, by a piratical schooner near Cuba that Captain Walcot, of his Majesty's sloop Carnation, had been directed by Rear-Admiral Sir Charles, Rowley to take up a station in the neighbourhood for the-protection of the trade; and that by a letter from Captain Waleot, .fif.the 42th August, 17 sail of Jamaica ships had passed safely round Cape Antonio, and he was waiting in that quarter to see the remaining vessels also safe ; that his Majesty's sloop Doterel was in that vicinity ; that Sir Charles Rowley's.attention was directed to that quar ter, and that the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty had taken further measures fur the suppression of these piracies. I beg to acquaint you, that your letter-has been laid before the Committee for managing the affairs of Lloyd's, and a copy of it made public for the information of the underwriters and others concerned ; and I am directed by the Committee to re quest, that you will return their thanks to their Lordships for the communication. „ I ant also desired to send to you, for the information of their Lordthips, the enclosed extract of a letter from Mr. Barclay, .Master of the Belina,. arrived from Jamaica, by which it ap pears that the Carnation sloop of war was, on-the 13th of Au gust, off the Colorados, on her way to Jamaica, and not stationed of Cuba for the protection of the trade ; and by ad vices from New York, the Dotterel arrived there on the 20th of August from Jamaica and Hava.nntih with specie. It further appears, by the accompanying extract of a letter front Bristol, that piratical depredations still continued; the ship Edward Protheroe, from Jamaica to that port, having been run on shore and plundered on the 19th of August, off Saddle Hill, but fortunately escaped, by the privateer going in chase of another vessel.-1 am, &c. (Signed) JOHN BEN NETT, jun. J. W. Croker, Esq., &c., Admiralty. EXTRACT. " Ship Belinda, Down, Oct. 7, 1022. " On the 13th.of August, at 7 a.m., the Colorados distant 10 leagues, , was horded by his Majesty's sloop Carnation, and in formed of the brigs Vittoria and Industry being taken by a piratical schooner off Saddle-hill; on the morning of the 7th.— The Carnation had been to Campeachy, called at Havanna)►, and was then on her way , to Jamaica with specie on board. (biped) " J.. BARCLAY." EXTRACT OF A LETTER FROM BRISTOL, TO-TED TILE •Ot' OCTOBER, 1922. " The Edward Protheroe, Atkinson master, from Jamaica to Bristol, was spoken with, clear of the Gulph, by the Cecrops, arrived in the Downs. She'had been run on shore and plun dered on the 19th of August, under Saddle-hill, near the Ha vannah, by a small privateer, from which she finally escaped by another vessel heaving in sight, which the privateer gave chase to:" Mr. Croker presents his compliments to the Chairman of the Committee of Lloyd's, and will be glad to see any two Gentle men of the Committe who , can make it convenient to call at the Admiralty-office between one and two o'clock to-morrow. Admiralty-ofEce,Yridlty ev.ming, Oct. 11, 1822. Lloyd's, I.2th Oct. 1822, 'l2 o'Clock. have: the honour to acknowledge the receipt of your note of yesterday evening, expressing your wish to see any two of the Members of the Committee for managing the affairs of Lloyd's, this.day, between one and two o'clock.; and I beg to acquaint you, that Mr. Marryatt, the Chairman, and most of the Members, being to-day out of town, you will oblige the Committee by appointing Monday, or any other 'limning next week that may be comenient to you to see a deputation from them. I am, &c. (Signed) JOIL.N BENNETT, Jun. J. W. Croker, Esq. &c. Admiralty. Admiralty-office,. 0ct.,12,,1822. SIR—I am desired by Mr. Croker to say, in.reply to your letter of this mornin.:;,,that it will be equally convenient to him to receive the deputation from the Committee of Lloyd's on Monday next between one and two o'clock.. I am, &c. (Signed) LEWIS J. BIGGS. Mr. J. Bennett, jun., Lloyd's. Lloyd's, .14th Oct. 1322. At a specl2l meeting of the Committee held this day, in con sequence of a note from Mr. Croker, Secretary of the Admi ralty, requesting to see two of the members this day, between one and two o'clock,' ReSolved—That former reluesti for the attendance of the committee at the Admiralty have been made in the name and by order, of the Board, ar d have been readily complied with, from the sense the Committee entertain of public duty, and the respect they feel to be due to the high rank and station of their Lordships ; but that as this is the first call made upon them to wait upon the Secretary of the Admiralty, at his individual re quest, and without any intimation of the object for which their attendance is requested, they therefore decline establishing a precedent which might be attended with material inconvenience to themselves and their successors. ,Resolved—That a copy of the foregoing be transmitted to Mr, Croker. ,Lloyd's, 14th Oct. 1822. Snt,—ln transmitting to you a copy of the proceedings of the Committee for managing the affairs of Lloyd's this morn. ing, I beg leave to inflrm you, that the gfeat objection . to a de putallon attending you as requested seemed to be, that not being apprised of the object of the interview, they could not be properly prepared for it, and would nrobably be under the ne ceesity of returning, and going bad:: again with the necessary information on the subject. I am, &c. (Signed) JOHN BENNETT, Jun. J. W.•Croker, Esq., &c. &c. Admiralty. • Admiralty-Office, 14th Oct. 1822. SIR,—In reply to your letter of this date, and in reference to tke resolution enclosed in it, stating the form of my note of Friday last, requesting to see a deputation of the Committee, to be unprecedented as not having been made ii, the name, and by order of the Board of Admiralty, and as not intimating the object of the proposed interview, I am to acquaint you that my .note was intended, and appears to bein the usual form of com munications of this nature with the Chairman of the Commit tee at Lloyd's. Copies of communications so unimportant as merely proposing an interview, have not been regularly 1 pre served.; but I have before me copies of four notes of my pre -1 decessor and myself, viz. of the 15 th of March, 1809, 20th Nov. 1810, 30th Jan. 1813, and 14th March, 1815, all appoint ing interviews with a deputation of the Committee in the same form as my note of Friday. No doubt such notes, like all other acts done by the Secretary of the Admiralty, were writ ten by the order of the Board ; but I have not found an in stance in which such order is especially stated in a note of this kind; nor is there any trace or recollection in the office, that suck a point of form was ever before started. On the ether point adverted to namely, that " my note not having intimated the pbject of the iirterview, the .Committee could not, b 0 properly prepared, for it, and would probaby be' under the necessity of returning to Obtain the necessary Infor mation," I must also refer to the interview of November 1810, which took place on a note which did not specify the proposed object ; but I beg also to add, that had any information from Lloyd's been desired, the subject would undoubtedly have been specified in my note of intitatift 1 but it ,ca not seem neees. sary to do so in this instance, when I had only atommunication to make, which the Board of Admiralty thought would be better made verbally than in writing. I am, Sz,c. J. W. CROKER. Mr. J. Bennett, jun. Lloyd's. Lloyd's, lath Ootober, 1822. At a Meeting of the Committee this day, the proceedings of the Special Committee on Monday were read and confirmed.— Read a letter from the Admiralty, dated the 9th instant, in consequence of the communication made on the 7th, of the cap ture of two vessels from .Jamaica. Read a copy of a letter written to the Admiralty on the 10th inst Tr/ reply. Read aletter from the Admiralty, dated 14th inst. in 'conse quence of the resolution of the Committee that day. The Secretarylaid before the Meeting extracts from the pro ceedings of the Committee relative to the notes referred to by Mr..Croker. A letter in answer to Mr. Croker was framed; and it was resolved that a copy of it be transmitted by the Secretary. The following is a copy : Lloyd's, Oct. 16,1822. SIR—On reading your letter•of the 14th inst. and examining the documents to which it refers, the Committee for managing the affairs of Lloyd's desire me to observe, that they do not ap pear to bear out your statement, that they appointed interviews in the same form as your note of niday last. Mr. Pole's letter of the 15th of March, 1809, is a continuation of a previous cor respondence ; and his letter of the 13th of that month com mences in the following words :—" 1 am commanded by the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty," &c. and expresses the object of the appoiptment to be for the purpose of discussing the contents of said letter, referring to a letter adiressed to him on the Bth of that month. Your note of the 20th of Noy.. 1810, is not among the records of the former Committee, hut it appears from their minutes of the next meeting that their interview was with the Board, and on the subject of captures in the Channel. Your note of the 30th of January, 1813, did not request the attendance of the Committee of Lloyd's. but of one or two Gentlemen connected withthe Newfoundland trade, and Mr. Hunt and Mr. Hart were solicited by the Committee to attend accordingly. Your letter of the 14th of March, 1815, requested the attendance of the Chairman of the Comniittee, to meet the Chairmen of the several trades, for the purpose of making arrangements with regard to convoys, which was dis cussed with the Board. The Committee had no intention of starting a mere point of form, but they see a material difference in point of fact, between being called upon to attend the Board of Admiralty, whieth they know by experience very rarely happens, and being requested to attend the Secretary, who may frequently find it more con venient to make verbal than written communications. You must be aware that it is highly inconvenient to the merribers of the Committee, as men of business, to go up to the west end of the town in the morning, and if frequently repeated, would materially interfere with their private concerns. They have further to observe,•that the information .they re ceive from the Admiralty is for the use of the subScribers at large, to whom it is immediately communicated by a copy of the letter sent to the Committee being . put on a board in the subscribers' rooms, and to this mode it cannot be otherwise than accurately repeated ; but if they were to take upon them selves to report the substance of conversations, the case would be very different, and they would expose themselves to a respon sibility which they are unwilling to incur. This consideration derives greater weight from the statements in yourletter of the 9th inst., being at variance with the information which has been received at Lloyd=s through their channels. The Committe6.therefore request that you will be pleased to state. to the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty their rea sons for wishing . that communications to them may continue to be made in writing as heretofore, and they trust their Lordships will see no objection to so s doing.—l am, &c. (Signed) JOHN BENNETT, Jun. J. W. Croker, Esq. &c. Admiralty. • Admiralty - Office, Oct. 19, 1822. Si Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty have taken, into consideration your letter of the 16th instant, and the cor respondence which has passed between us - - Since mine of the 9th, and have commanded me to inform you, that putting alto gether out of consideration the very unimportant point of form which the Committee has so unnecessarily and for the first time started, their Lordships, ready as they always have been, and still are, to afford every proper information within their power to the trade of the country in general, and even to any indivi dual merchant, see in your letters such marked disrespect to the Board of Admiralty, and so little confidence in their com munications, that they have directed me to decline any further c rrespondence with the Committee of Subscribers to the rooms at Lloyd's. I am, Sir, &c. (Signal) J. W. CItOKER. Mr. John Bennett, &c., Lloyd's. Mr. MARRYAT.T then rose, and addressed -.file Subscribers nearly in the followingterms : You have now heard the _correspondence 'Which you were convened for the purpose of taking into consideration.; and it is for you to decide how far the 'letters of your Com. mittee justify the imputation —" that they . contain such marked disrespect to' the Board of Admiralty, and so little confidence in their communications, as to call upon the Board- to decline any farther correspondence with the Committee of the Subscribers to the rooms at Lloyd's:" As to disrespect to the Board of Admiralty, your Committee may safely assert, that no expression in any of theirletters carejustly warrant such a construction; and as to the little,confidence placed in theincommunications, that is confined specifically to Croker's letter of the Oth inst. The question at issue there fore is, whether the , statements in that letter were or were not entitled to confidence. Mr. Croker's expressions are, that" his Majesty's ship Carnation ha been directed by Rear-Adniiral Sir Chas. Rowley to take up a station in that neighbourhood forthe protection of the trade; that Capt. Walcot writes under date the 12th of August, that on that day 17 sail of the Jamaica ships had passed safely round Cape Antonio, and that he was waiting in that quarter to see the remaining vessels also safe." Mr. Croker adds, that "his Majesty's ship Dotterel was also in the neighbourhood."; The assertions of Mr. Croker respecting the Carnation are contradicted by no leas than four different au. thorities in the possession of your Committee. The first autho rity is a written statement of the brig Industry, given to the agent for Lloyd's at St. Thomas's, on his arrival there, and transmitted to your Committee by the agent. Captain Cook, after giving a long detail of the capture of his vessel, and the Vittoria, and relating the particulars of the providential de liverance of the officers and crews of both vessels, by the Cap tain of the pirate, who 'had determined to shoot them one by one as they were brought upon deck, being himself murdered, and the ,command devolving upon an Englishman, who was not so lost to every feeling of humanity as his p_redecessor,pro ceeds to state that " Captain Hearn, of the Vittoria, and his crew, were sent on board the Industry, where they rep - mined till the 10th. of August, when he fell in with his Majesty's brig Carnation, Capt. Walcot, who was good enough to take them on board and give them a_passage to Jamaica." The second authority is that of Capt. ,Hearn, of the Vittoria, who, in a-let ter dated Liverpool, October 6, writes to his owners in London as follows :—" On the -10th of August in the morning (being off the' Havannah) perceived a British man of war brig coming out of the harbour, made.all sail, and at half-past six A. m. got within hail, when it proved to be the Carnation, Capt. Walcot He immediately sent his boat on board, when Capt. Cook and myself went on board and related the circumstances ; he then offered me and my crew . a passage to Jamaica:" Capt. Hearn further state, that he offered his services, and those of his crew, to go with him in search of the p;eate, to which lie agreed, and that he kept in shore,_ and boarded such ships as he met with till the'l3th, when Capt. Hearn accepted the offer made him by the Captain of the ship Blackett, of a passage to Liverpool,' Capt.Valcot having previously told him, as he has declared to the Committee, that he had exceeded his time, and must pro ceed to Jamaica. The third authority is a letter from Captain Barclay, of the ship Belina, dated Downs, the 7th inst.:— "August 13th, off the Colorados, was boarded by his Majesty's ship Carnation, who gave us information of the brig Vittoria being taken by a piratical schooner off Saddle-hill, along, with the brig Industry, on the morning of the 7th. The Carnation had been to Campeachy, called at Havannah, and was on her way to Jamaica, with specie on board." The fourth authority is a letter from the correspondent of Lloyd's at Eristol, dated the 9th instant, stating that the Edward Protheroe, from Jamaica to that port, had been plpndered on the 19th of August, off Saddle-hill (the very sf,ot where the Industry and the Vittoria had been captured on the 7th). which proves to demonstration the points established by the former au thorities, that the Carnation had not taken up a station in that neighbourhood for the protection of the trade, and that she was not waiting in that quarter to see the remaining vessels safe, as asserted by Mr, Croker in his letter to your Committee. With regard to the Dotterel, the information in possession of your Committee is equally at variance with the statements of Mr. Croker. In his letter to them he merely writes, that " she was also in the neighbourhood," leaving it to be inferred that she, like the Carnation, was there for the protection of trade ; but in his letter of the next day, addressed , to Mr. Alderman Daniel, of Bristol, he states this more ex plicitly, for he says " that their Lorciships have advices from his Majesty's ship Carnation, which as well as his Majesty "s 'ship Dotterel, was on August 12 list in the immediate neigh bourhood referred to in the above statement ; and my Lords hope, that the attention thus drawn by his Majesty's naval Commanders to this point, together with Other measures taken by their Lordships, will have the effect of suppressing these piracies.". The folloWing statements will show that the Dot terel was not on the 12th of August last in the immediate neighbourhood referred to, and that She was employed at that time on a very different service from the suppression of these piracies. It appears by the Ilavannah lists of arrivals and sail ings transmitted by the agents to Lloyd's, that the Dotterel ar rived there from Jamaica on the 24th of July last, and that she sailed from thence on the 11th of August 'The following ac count of her is extraced fronr the New York Gazette of the _ _ 21st of August :—" Arrived his Britannic Majesty's ship Dot terel, Captain Hendry, nine days from Havannah, with specie —spoke nothing." So far was she from stepping for the pro tection of the trade of the suppression of these piracies, that she actually made the passage from Havannah to New York in nine days, which his Majesty's ship Iphigenia was sixteen days in performing, she having sailed from the Havannah on the sth of Sept., and arrived at New York only on the 21st.—(Hear, hear!) These facts completely refute the assertion of Mr. Croker, that his Majesty's ship Dotterel was on the 12th of August last in the immediate neighbourhood referred to in the above state ment, and prove that, on the contrary, she was then actually sailing away from it, with all posiible celerity.—(Loud cries of " Hear, hear.")--It is also rather unfavourable to the hope ex- I pressed by Mr. Croker, that the attention thus drawn by his Majesty's naval commanders to this point (meaning of course the commanders of the Carnation and Dotterel just mention ed) would have the effect of suppressing these piracies, that the Dotterel, instead of returning to that point, should, so late -as the 21th of September last, five weeks after the date of her arrival at New York with specie, be lying in Halifax har bour, where she had arrived on the 2d of that month, just as •quietly as if there were no British commerce to be protected, nor any pirates to be suppressed.—(immense cheering.)—With these proofs in the possession of your Committee, that the state ments in Mr. Croker's letter-of the 9th inst. were altogether fal lacious, it was impossible for them. to place any confidence in that communication, and their duty forbade them to conceal from the Admiralty the very different informations which they had •received. The Admiralty might have been misled by incorrect representations made to them of the manner in which his Ma jesty's ships .on the Jema'ca station were actually employed ; and if that were the Last, your Committee, by laying the facts before them, gave them an opportunity of calling the par ties who hadimposed upon them to account for their conduct— Indoing this, however, your Committee studiously endeavoured to avoid giving offence, and therefore merely stated facts with out making any comments, as will appear by referring to their letter of the 10th inst., in which their LOrdships are advised that a copy of their letter of the day preceding had been made public for the information.of. the underwriters and others con cerned, and the thanks of the Committtee are returned to them for their communication. Your Committee did expect that the Lords of the Adiniralty could not but observe from the infor mation they gave them, that his Majesty's ships, -stated to be employed in the protection of the trade from the depredations of pirates, were in fact occpied in carrying freights of specie for the emolument of the Captains and the Admiral on the station : they trusted they would. more particularly remark, that the Dotterel was destined from one foreign port to another, and therefore in all probability carrying specie, not the returns of Bri tish but of foreign commerce. In the month of April last, your Committeehad stated to the Admiralty, that protection against pi rates had been givsn to Ships ofall nations by the American cruisers in the neighbourhood of Cuba ; thatone of them had taken under her convoy a number of vessels bound from the Havannah to Europe, and they requested that similar protection might be given 1:y . his Majesty's ships on that station ; but the answer they received was—" Their Lordships cannot order his Ma jesty's ships to grant protection to the ships of other Powers." After this fiat denial to a request for the protection of foreign ships and cargoes, in which British interests are concerned, (for many of them are insured in Gnat Britain,) and to which con siderations of humanity alone, independent of interest, might have inclined an acquiescence, your Committee trusted that the 'inconsistency of giving protection to foreign specie might oc cur to the minds of their Lordships, and that this trade, the pro tection of'which is now thegreat -occupation of the British ships of war on the Jamaica station, and diverts their attention from the protection of British commerce and the suppression of these Piracies, might be properly regulated andsrestricted. Great mis representations are certainly contained in Mr. Croker's letter of the 9th' inst., who they originate with, your Committee do not un s (Intake to decide.; but they may atleast observe, that after having laid before the Board the information they:had received, which contradicted the statements in Mr. (poker's letter, they might have expected that the Admiralty would have explained on what authority those -statements, were founded ; but this ob vious and common course of proceeding was not adopted. How - ever deeply theiCommittee may regret the suspension of their (correspondence with the. Admiralty, they may With truth ob serve, that in time of peace the communications from the Board are chiefly acknowledgments .of .information given to them. OccaSionally they are appliedto,•to send out cruisers with pro visions anti-water for the homeward-bound trade ; but as their Lordships must know when aeorevalenceof easterly winds ren ders such assistance necessary, as well as your Committee can tell them, these applications-may be dispensed with, or if consi tiered necessary, -may be made through other channels. Your 'Committee may also observe, that their sources ofintelligence are -so extensive, indeed I Might-say so universal, thatthe Admiralty 'sometimes obtain'-information from them whichthey probably would not so promptly procure from any other quarter. Various means however may he adopted of conveying to'his Itilajesty's Government any intelligence coming to this house, that may be essential to the public service. The discussion upon this -subject will not end here ; and If my life be spared, and unless the necessity of the measure be superseded in the meantime, I intend when Parliament meets, sto move--in the House of Com mons, that copies of the letters which you have now heard read, the -letter from Captain Walcote of-the 12th of Augtist, to WhiCh Mr.-Croker refers, and any other letters the Admiralty may have received respecting the Carnation and the Dotterel being stationed on the 12th of August last, off the coast of Cuba., 'for the protection of trade, belaul on the table. If these let ters are produced (and I cannot see what just objections can be made to their production), they will show With whom the mis representations contained in Mr. Croker's letter of the 9th inst. really originate. One point to which I have not adverted; and to Which it is perhaps scarcely necessary to advert, is what Mr. Croker, in his farewell letter, terms the very uniniportant point of forms' of your Comniittee declining to establish a pre cedent of waiting upon the Secretary of the Admiralty at his individual request, to receive verbal instead of written com munications. The objections to their so doing are so strongly stated in the correspondence, that Mr. Croker himself has " put it altogether out of consideration," and therefore it would be a waste of time to Press it upon your attention. In conclusion, your Committee trust you will think with them, that had they accepted communications as true, which they knew to be erro neous, they would have been wanting in their duty to you, as well as in the regard they owe to the public service ; and that on a dispassionate review of the whole subject, you will sanc tion their conduct with your approbation (Great cheering.) Mr. G. BROWN, after a few observations on the misrepre sentations of Mr. Croker, said, that the measures which he should propose for the adoption of the Meeting, would be, first, a vote of approval of the conduct of their Committee during the late correspondence; and secondly, a vote referring the whole , matter again to the Committee, and leaving it to theni to take ' such farther measures as they, under all the circumstances of the case, should think necessary and expedient. The worthy Gentleman then concluded by reading two resolutions to that eft'ect. Mr. It. H. 3latt.T IN seconded the resolutions.—lfe had lobk. ed over the whole correspondence with great attention. He read it once over when it was originally laid before the sub scribers ; lie had read it over a second time; on its appearance in several of the daily papers he had lead it over a third time that day as it had been sent from the Admiralty to a Ministerial Morning Paper, accompanied by a load of lame sophistry, and miserable special pleading; and, after all, he remained of his original opinion, that the charges made by the Admiralty against the Committee were erroneous, and that the Committee had only performed their duty, in standing forward as they had recently clone. • Mr. LOWE said that there were two questions for the snb scribers to decide that day. The first was—had Mr. Croker a right to be offended with the conduct of the Committee ? and the second, was it politic for the subscribers at Lloyd's to break off all communications with the Admiraly ? With regard to the first, he contended that nothing had been done by the C,-enmit tee which could reasonably give Mr. Croker offence. That gen tleman appeared to be ignorant of the great responsibility under which the members of the Committee acted ; he seemed not to be aware that it was upon the information which they made public that numbers of persons daily made insurances, and that it was therefore particularly incumbent upon them to ascertain with correctness the degree of protection the Go vernment was likely to afford to British commerce.— Ile argued that latterly the British Navy had not done its duty to British Commerce ; if it had would our countrymen have had such frequent reason to thank the Dane, the Swede, the American, and even the Frenchman, for safety and protection on the high seas ?—(Hear !),--The trade of the West Indies was daily falling off of itself, and if it were to be shackled with unnecessary expenses, occasioned by the high rate of insurance, would decline with even greater rapidity than it did at present. Other nations appeared anxious to ob tain that trade from us, and were now protecting it, not only for themselves, but also for us—(Hear !)—There was no expense that the nation would spare if it were properly bestowed upon the navy; but at present the commanders of his Majesty's 'ships in the West Indies desired that station, not so much from a -sash of being useful to their country as from a wish of being employed as the' carriers of specie from one port to another.— (Hear, hear!)—Humble as he was as an individual, his senti ments were still entitled to some weight, as lie was the represen tative tf a considerable class of merchants who had recently embarked in a new trade. Two ships, which they had sent out to South America, were not at all insured ; and the insurance which had been paid upon others was so - heavy, as to be equal to the amount of profit necessary to carry the trade on. After the l it° pointing out at some length the evils arising from than seas, protection afforded to British interests in the livest Inere ee ttes anti stating that there was no occasion to apply to the Aunner, if the Admiralty would not attend to their apPl e ie nli fflie re' Lowe concluded by expressing his entire approbation - solutions submitted to the meeting. anti should o ß uid Dr er a ef n or c e ou p ld ro n r o o t ae al a lo s w an th a e m pre en s d e ni nt e re nt s , ol th u a ti t on t s : t t l il th eetss e : ing proceed to the order of the day. He contended ! _ m e were precedents, which distinctly proved that a deputationto_cs, o ut[ fthi 4 gentlemen from their Committee had waited upon- forme mons on the Secretary of the Admiralty. In corroboratio,evirsity assertion, he read a letter from the Secretary of `rth An% „ l en to the Committee, dated the 15th March 1809, in hict itio tion was made of the Committee waiting personelle' u pon hi also another letter to the same effect, dated the 2.otn Noc e a, 1810, addressed to a former Committee, con sisting, es bile city of the most honourable and independent characters in t i a i o of London. He also read a note from the Committee. woe i h agn iw without 1 viytthhto toteeholew aasn da frtahhel 0s uf b listesiti 're rsts Secretary, in which they more than once expressed tl e el e r s pree ingncss to wait upon him, for the purpose of reee i `;t h Je. I t communication which he had promised to make to ,_ the h w a e d re b m ee ad n e sai n d ot tha b t y , otnhethseeocereaetasiroy7 but o lt w t h b i y ch he had taken at, liberty to refer, the communications, when they we re "the Admiralty. Now he had no doubt, that had not thought it a derogation from their character..A o e up to the Secretary, they would have commordes.,7 bot the present occasion, not merely with the Seere ta t i l 4 el l also_ with some of the Lords. It appeared to him Te ltie' this unpleasant misunderstanding originated Emirs the had it ance of the Committee to wait upon Mr. Croke'''. H e i n c.4 5 e from good authority, that it was Mr. Croker's intention,_ the the Committee had waited upon him, to have show: the the authorities on which he had stated' the Carnation f o r his Dotterel to have been stationed off the island of Cube. .„,e to own part, he was of opinion, that it was not the Suleseriu`neglit Lloyd's, but the Chairmen of the different traders, w ep , / er th e c to communicate-with the Lords of the Admiralty winhes"' commerce of the country stood in need of protection. yF r oe scribers to Lloyd's in such a state of thin itfbethber'Crdo9forntoittgeee es c ould e1y 13 2 . they place scriberslea u e l e d s h o we o e n huol test themselves by increasing the rate of their insurerle`;'tbe.if if their charges continued high for any length of tie` 'trot might depend upon it that the chairmen of the di Ise applyhoped ed b e t much that e r something m e b l that this misunderstanding with the Admiralty had s ole "'- communications with it, convinced 'tghter the ar and hissing.)—He concluded by •that the rn ee moving, Though l3: now proceed to the Order of the Day. e i e e tth f teri t n o the Admiralty.. lie re tube Mr. CARRUTHERS seconded the a.mendment. etterg,,'; tioolgdta:thth. e.le( towantt't e o t fo h r r a g et c ,t the s _, n (" e 0 1 e would willingly vote the Committee thanks for the ees", of t' and ability which they had recently shown in the cen s ie o f sl; t A ii: d h a m a t schism i w ra i l i t s . h i s Ho opinion i betweenn co i ( confessed the saendc:taht subscribers, he could not consent to give them a v° - for ", proval for their recent conduct towards the SecretetY Refer (Loud and indignant cries of " No, no," from el' [. tea s e, had already led to a schism between the Commt,,,teeh 11,,f; Board of Admiralty.—(Laughter and hisses.) duct c . Gentleman then proceeded to defend the con" —t oote e e f Croker at considerable length. Mr. Croker's fiesta ecru; pressed, he said, his desire to communicate In t " - . i tects;e: tion of two Gentlemen from the Committee OR 3 S t : writ , There was nothing uncivil in its language; i t 1 `: fr e e ti ct: in agreeable terms, and was of a different comp In d to " e 'we. note which they had received from him in IBM n t l iet e veil they had subsequently paid attention. [Here the "`iy to . w t, tlerean read the note of 18101 The Committee rep ly letter by-stating, that the day fixed would not be ?_,,, pio'',, .as many of the 'Members were out of town; hat tnq in P o ; wait on him, if convenient, on the following e ither t lie , el opinion, the Committee would not have disparageeefe" cook,,e• t o selves or the subscribers, if they had gone to -"[ T e . n ow 'oo was their original intention.—( Hear, hear !)---It w r- s iting pu examine the reasons which they alleged thatot w e e el , " that Gentleman. First of all, they said, there 01" 3 „ p th r e ece s d e en cre t ta fo ry r . a dHepeutathtoieunghotf thattheir Cthoirsnmohititeeectiown:tiebnead bi.;:te: Iso clearly proved to be fallacious, by hi s e ' e r ; O tt ` he [ Dewar, that it was unnecessary , to say rom''' )- •t Le the I garding it. They next said that they could not we' is eoe, o that he had heard of their Committee being Secretary, because they . did not wish to establish en , t tte s , nient precedent for their successors. This was die (;:t".0), , _ e c late for their successors—he hoped that it would S, I i t een ec , last, Then they talked of the material trouble etw ih e 1 1 , nience such a proceeding would occasion them. ni e einl e ee tion he would reply, that men who sought h000n r& i soo t the Thents ought to be prepared to take the trouble Which sour e,), sth•o , t ee j+ entailed upon their occupiers. If they „ t ely bed occupation, and the occupation did not seek theTe t heY e ed, ought not to complain of the toil and labour errn e . e next e'thr [ voluntarily drawn upon their heads. The Collern ittc- or Ae in justification of their conduct, that they did not,,toor nature of the commnication which Mr. Croker was r7e an s e,er to them, and therefore could not be prepared YAW IV e -he l i to it—in other words, they said that they could no t , te ~ if or , they were equal to contend with Mr. Croker. ; 1 ": 0 con next Gentleman of the Committee felt himself uneelluu l fla n .' ht not an , ,i,e , sation with a Secretary of the Admiralty, he cmg _, tha t ' Wee to continue a Member of it. Then it was sal"' ' oaf th° visits to the west end of the town would tike the llt e t t° es their business." He must beg leave, with all reiseeof Soto, Committee, to tell theM that he considered al` ere, o f nature as they were then discussing, W be le r rbscrill - V business, net merely to them, but also to the sn eeit eseu e ol large, and to be part of the labour which they 100 `' Do community to undergo. These were princiPa l argu and P op / by the Committee in justification of their conducts ee slio had shown them all to be fallacious and erroneous, ' ~,,4 s r certainly give his vote ibiefileekder of the day. snee ker oo , Mr. SAMUEL SHAW observed, the two la!, t discos. i t er' carefully kept out of view the principal bal communication from the Secretary appointe.so betegeev , point in eee i e e P . ,/ namely, that the Committee had been sent for to r t ? ate irel' l l i et , t o , th .r e b the, C o. ; i ee , e (Loud cries of Hear !)—After the variance wn t ` eel 5 . !lie Cr 0 .e r o te r mime had discovered to exist between gr. __ i 0t tne statement and the fact, he was not at all stirprisee' ea rtereote' tion to receive verbal communications from e t lia l t o ci to th e : l o' his own part, he returned his most sincere te.a9„,nerion thc mittee, and trusted that they would receive melte fro m . o port the subscribers. Mr o . f Maw/A.lr then put the amended resolut i on Of Chair. , e berb re ee O f t determined that no future Committee shoo boob ref Mr. FREEZE exhorted the subscribers or enre alt s y h' t : P t ; ele t t ete Secretary or the Lords of the AdmiraltY.„ .. 1 to the , such a determination would be very prejow el— Cow' of the house. . a the , ea' ewe eof . 0 Mr. N °Rites, if we heard him correcdfe ' t he jeoer, t io e e '; niittee to open a correspondence again wiro t -wen - f miralty, and thus try whether it would have the e bo dy o decline all future communication with the gres' i in cP': A, arne Pu O a tish merchants. th they he;essit" .t. e x • te e c . were carried, ir t remindedm,oaldnegthaetimveeeatningtbstirt l e retrorn t A ao',.. done. It would be telling them, not only lateen po s rtiO i n ..ee ,j , wrong in laying the information which 111 3 ' • ng the the P before Mr. Croker, but also would be confirm , as o f of that Gentleman, that they had treated heat r meet' Mr. illeanealec then put the miralty with marked disrespect.—(Hear, ee this r ra tie ° ing now proceed to the order of the day. „ What i S t • te . A voice from the middle, of the room -- dohs l e [ of the day ?" this le' l4 '; e rec e Mr. MARRYAT T.—Why, that we resuMe iio t , t eera t ee for the order of the day is to take into con , of der correspondence.—( Loud laughter.) ether or ,e Mr. DEWAR (indignantly.) --I- said the e lo • ro day.—(Still louder laughter ) tore then jo an d n ot nog , 'l' he amendment was then put, • Mee O r were held up in its favour. „ Tha t thii cot e ,e [ The previous resolution which was, ~. t heir r.O P' I approve of the conduct ofthe Committee, ee e then r • _,,to' t I respondence with the Board of Admiralty, d rc'l o' carried with only three dissentient voices.,., h i e secon but $ 1 rtr of roeation. reine' e s Mr. GEORGE BROWN then rf:s an e l t° ene eo e nt— ling , ep oe 0, I, coe. aw e as ese ener ee violence,tion. h ti e l e a n t pdroiffperoesne(ti to m a o i d il e s s had wished to petition the Earl of Ilv ,4)posea pi, 1 der rc ..o nister on this subject, whilet others he" ~ ,e for ii w ou ld :0, memorial to the King in Council. ne cou ld do w o e,o'coi [ surer. He thought that the best thing they fund' ee pear t° " ' refer it to the Committee, to take thing et a ppe lea i t hat 0 under all the circumstances of the cases might to be proper and necessary. Mr. Marren{ seconded the e saws h g a, a sub more pacific motion could be though t , y e el s ee support it. he sca ing n " SO' 5a % e., see , resolution, al l he sh old e Mr. HIRBERT said, that although . y o hal ..ddrf .0 t apolog, 1 ,0110 . I t o scriber at Lloyd's, he could not recolie et e " f br a 'es ti them en any former occasion. His hes e _ c e t he co e e t oir e s t e: he had to make. He had rateyesteeueceetarY• . s t : eir. te' rit , of and in the room:of Mr. Croker, :, ha bit of s e e e f t , as aky o them at that moment would be the breeilyen e t th e e — t hooL P eer, right to Say that he was not in we felt i t his "1/' he 1 ; 0 0 0 when he called there, for when he f?_ j e e hei Y r: ', l l oc . 0 , of the province of Jamaica, to go to ruL i .e. On nro tectiaeo sought a conference with the first lee a bout t i r 'O t ',,01i• Lo the West Theta trade, he had seen , that ther e _ c ol cr ie 4 Lord had inhumed him some time a t r r s o 4 t°,°:-.41J0-1i Dora' I %ielvil e ' were p raers that ticai hoebihecatdiociamlledto nngiving Aandynidilieraltevyesrdt in,,,3tion, 0 to put down privateering in th 1 late ° live of " Hear, hear !").—But during, Tie ti] RI) JOr