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(ember ep over House General night ; isorder -(llear, ieir re- freely le had id only similar n who Mouse, ) their ole in- , rere to at, the them tble• to attri, Diem= eetinF ed hi* reply, .e had often; r allu- L be to IC was er, we tions, mews he re peace. epru ained, he at , used 1, but se the ; a re- I sewn well ilely s re- (Cheers.)—They and they alone were accountable for those pro. ceedings, and whatever consequeneei resulted from rashly attempt ing that which so deservedly failed, and only reflected discredit on themselves. He wished the House to be apprized that what occurred at Brunswick respecting the omission of the funeral service, was perfectly conformable to the usage of the country on such solemn occasions. The interment took place with all the funeral pomp and ceremonies which were ascertained and certi fied to be the practice in that country. No funeral sermon had been preached, although a short discourse was pronounced simi lar to the service in the case of the late lamented Duke of Brunswick - .- - ' This custom might be, and was 'different from our - own habits, but the departure from our usual ceremonies was not the fault of those entrusted with the conduct of the funeral, but a necessary compliance with the custom and habits of an other nation. He would then put it to the feelings of the House .whether, under the circumstances, the funeral of her Majesty had not been conducted with the respect, and solemnity, . and deference, which was usual and customary in the event of the death of other branches of the Royal Family.--(Hear . I .) i-1e trusted he had preserved the pledge he had given to the . , Houie when he first rose, to confine himself strictly to a defence against the charge made against the members of his Ma jesty's Government. He certainly was not conscious of having, _even inadvertently, alluded to those parts of the case which 'night have excited any irritation, or of having excited any of those angry recollections which it was desirable perhaps to let slumber: In this forbearance he had been actuated, he hoped, • by the best motive. He, for the reasons just stated, should feel it his duty to oppose the motion. Dr. LUSHINGTON said, that he should never have reviv ed the Subject then before the House, if the present motion bad not been brought forward. That being done, however, it became his duty to give his opinion, and to explain certain facts and circumstances with whirls he had been personally connected. He should endeavour to follow the example of •the Right Honourable Gentleman opposite, by abstaining from all topics which could he properly left out of the dis c4sion.- It had been his misfortune throughout the whole of this unfortunate case, to incur blame from both the par ties connected with it. He incurred blame from those who supported his Majesty's Ministers, for having taken too ac tive a part ; and he incurred blame from those who were pe culiarly called the Queen's friends, for nut having gone far -enough in support of the dignity anti solemnity of the fa - neral arid he was afraid that he should still disagree with both sides-in some parts of the speech be was about to make. He had a difficult course to steer, and that which lie did, lie conscientiously thought to be for the best. Above all, be had taken care not to suffer the exercise of the power of that situation to which her Majesty appointed hint, to be polluted, . (fo r he could call it nothing else) by party motives.—(Hear, bear!)—He trusted the House. would pardon him if lie went into some details, for the purpose of explaining what did oc cur, and what did not occur, with regard to the ceremony of her Majesty's funeral. The moment the decease took place, he dispatched a messenger to Lord Liverpool, acquainting - Pam with the fact. He was then occupied dining the night in arranging the papers of her Majesty, which it was necessary ' shook! be placed in a state of security.. The next day, at • twelve o'clock, he had his first interview with the First Lord of the Treasury. In giving the House an account of what Passed between himself and that Noble Individual, in his ah- Bence, he was sure that he should rather state the case against himself than otherwise. If he knew his own heart, he was in capable of misrepresenting in the slightest degree any thing Which passed under such circumstances. The first words which Lord Liverpool addressed to him were—" I have no hesitation its informing you, that it is the intention of his Majesty's Government to bear the expellees of the funeral." He (Dr. L.) confessed that he was at the time so ignorant of the nature of such occurrences, that he did not know where the expellee was to come from. He asked. the Noble Lord what facilities would be afforded to the. Executors to have the body interred according to the directions of the Will. Lord Liverpool requested that the First Lord of the Admi ralty might be consulted as to the means of conveying the corpse across the sea. He bath then to enter into communi cation -with Lord Melville and the Hon. Admiral opposite; and frous them lie not only received every possible civility, -but every possible accommodation and assistance. Nay, more, it was in justice due for' bins to state that Lord Mel ville had carried this kindness so far as to give him a per.- suual recommendation to Captaiis Doyle. The Eaa - I of Liver :pool, anxious that the corpse should be removed as speedily aspOssible to its destinations, Saturday was first named fur the day of its departure; but he (Dr. Lushington) remon strated, and Monday was titers fixed. The motives of this haste on the part of Ministers Lord Liverpool declared to b e —fir s t, the directions of the Queen; anti, secondly, that his Majesty was then waiting to land in Ireland, amid the country in a state of great anxiety fur that event ; so that the greatest inconvenience must arise from the body not leav ing the country with all possible and decent dispatch. His Lordship further stated, that it would be desirable to consi der the body's being put on board as equal to interment. He • (Or. Lushington) acceded at once to these proposals, for he ' saw reason in them. He thought it desirous that the re mains should lie removed with speed, as far as decorum and propriety would admit. He thought so, because he felt that it would he a mockery to expect, that after all which had passed, the Royal Personage who was then absent should be tiverwhellised with sorrowat his loss.—(Hear'.) —But lie after wards found that the species of dress necessary fur the occa sion could riot be prepared in time. He found also that there would_ be the greatest diffieultieS to eticounto on the other side of the water. He was informed that when they arrived at Stadt, they would find no incouveniances whatever for prosecuting the journey, with the retinue necessary to tine solemnity. He applied to Baron Best, the representative of the Hanoverian Minister, Count Munster, and found that be tad been correctly infornsed upon this subject. He unite,- stood from Lord Liverpool that the time of performin ,, the journey to Hai %rich was to be two day s , if it cou ld be r. done its that time with due decorum and propriety, if not three days were to be allowed. He titers went to Baron Best again, and inquired whether any specific arrangements had been made at Stadt for the conveyance of the corpse and the procession forward to Brunswick. He was informed by the Baron that no carriages could be procured, that they could get nothing but German waggoners. A messenger was to be sent to Stadt on the Tuesday, when the corpse was tin be removed from Bran slenbtirgh House. As this persons had also to cross the sea, -there was no possibility of his arriving at Stadt before the funeral ; and they would consequently find no orders given, and be obliged to remain its the town for several days. It would have been utter madness in hints to have undertake-n the conduct of the solemnity under such circumstances. He was told that when be arrived at Harwich, tire body would be delivered into his care, with two undertakers' men and the hearse. In this condition they were to land at Stadt, where -nothing could be procured but German waggons, and horses that were taken fronts the farms. It was under these circum stances that he had given up all the direction and responsi bility of the funeral, in violation to his own feelings and wishes. After (Isis he was naturally anxious that a person filling the rank of a Gentleman should superintend the so lemnity. It was due in decorum and in decency, that the funeral of the Queen of England should be conducted by a person filling, at least, the rank of a Gentleman. He com plained tipoji this ground, because he saw with indignation the condition in which the Queen's remains were left. , On the morning of the 14th August, be repaired at an early hour to Brandenburgh House, where he inquired if any one was there to take charge of the body ? For a long time nobody ap peared. At last a person came who said he was ordered to take charge of it; a person who had nothing of the character which he had described as necessary to the situation lie was 'to fill. He (Dr. Lushington) asked hint for Isis authority, when be produced the paper for regulating the ceremo tsial. Upon his remonstrating on the insufficient na ture of the authority, this person asked him if he meant to oppose the removal of the body by force. He answered, •certainly riot. There could be nothing farther from his -ierislies than to violate the decorum of a death-bed. With 'regard to'the use of the military, he begged leave to dissent from what had been said by his Hon. Friend upon that sub ject. He always considered a guard of honour necessary -upon the occasion, and that they were sent as a due mark of respect to her Majesty. The Honourable and Learned Mem ber then explained why he did not admit the public into Brandenburgh House upon the morning of the funeral. It .was impossible to adroit all the populace, and the _difficulty 'of issuing tickets was incompatible with the haste necessary to be observed. The body then set off, and he accompanied it, but havingEno authority whatever. Upon the first stop. page which took place, he would relate what occurred, to shew that Isis conduct had been marked by caution and propriety. An Officer rode up to his carriage, and stated his belief that they could not proceed in theappointed route. He understood him (Dr. L.) to be invested with authority to take the funeral which way he thought hest, and begged that he would give him orders to proceed the other way. He (Dr. L.) said that he possessed no suds authority, and then recom mended what was afterwards dune, namely, that a messenger should be dispatched to the Earl of Liverpool for fresh in structions.—(Hear, hear!)—The Hun. and Learned Gentle man then condemned the endeavour to prevent the proces sion front going through the city, and dwelt upon the demon strations of honest grief and sorrow Irons all classes of people. Be had heard with regret something which fell from the Right Honourable Gentleman opposite, which' seemed to 'intimate that the illustrious personage, at that titne on his - way to Ireland, bad ordered the route laid down for the pro cession. He could not believe that Ministers would nut re tain to themselves the latitude of acting as they thought most accordant to their responsibility upon such an occasion.- 1 - 16 then referred to, the affray at Cumberland-gate, and stated that he saw Sir R. Wilson before he went to the sol- acct., diers to endeavour to stop the firing; and that he attempted to dissuade him therefrom, as be was convinced that he would be doing so at the hazard of • his life. Front the manner and conversation of. his Hon. Friend, he believed, if that was the last moment of his life, that his only motive in so doing was the desire of preventing the effusion of blood. They arrived at Rumford at eight o'clock, and he would state to the House the persons who had charge of the funeral at that place, First and foremost, there was the illustrious personage of whom he had before spoken—Mr. Thomas; the next, win, was much better, was Mr. Chippendale, a person who let out horses and carriages; and last, though not frost, for he al ways behaved with propriety—was Mr. Bailey, a partner in the house of Saunders and Bailey, undertakers. This was the triumvirate who governed every thing; and their orders were given in a manner' which shewed that they were quite conscious of their power: When he once remonstrated at the time at which the procession was to move, be was an swered -by Thomas, that if any one presumed to alter the time, he would cell in the military.—(Hear, hear!)—He then set off to Chelmsford, and before arriving at that place the horses were knocked up, and the whole processioß was in a disgraceful state of disorder. When theylot there, and the body was taken from the hearse, Sir G. Nayler was not to be found. The crown and enshiOn were placed upon the coffin by some oile else, for Sir G. Nayler had gone off com fortably to bed. They set off at eleven next. day for Colches ter, and arrived there at four in the afternoon. They were then told by the ruling triumvirate that they must proceed again at eight that evening. He remonstrated against this in vain, until he produced the letter of the Earl of Liverpool, in which he stated, that if the body could nut be removed with decorum and propriety in two days, three should he allowed. This produced some effect, and it was at last de cided that they shbuld proceed at five the next mining. To this he was obliged to accede ; for to have opposed the trium virate., backed as they were by the military, would have been to place his life in danger. He next came to the in scription on the coffin, and he would relate the whole cir cumstances connected with that point. He *as with her Ma jesty the night before her decease, previouS to which time she had scarcely sent for him fur four weeks. She desired him to promise her that he would use his best endeavours to have the inscription placed upon her collies. He considered at the time the great responsibility which the promise invol-. ved, and he begged she Would repeat her commands, if she wished hint to execute them. This she did with her dying breath. Not being satisfied with this, he proposed that it should be inserted as a codicil to the Will, which was accord ingly done. He took this precaution, because lie felt that it would not he enough for him to come forward after her Ma jesty's death and say, that she had made a private request to such an effect. He foresaw all the difficulties which this re quest would bring upon him: lint he was determined to exe cute it to the'best of his abilities. When be presented the. will to Lord Liverpool, the Noble Lord observed, that the Go vernment could not carry this codicil into effect, as they would thereby lie casting a censure upon themselves. The Hon. and Learned Member solemnly declared that he had always un derstood the objection of the Earl of Liverpool to be to the Ministers ordering this inscription themselves. He might have been wrung in this, but he believed that the Government did not mean to interfere with the executors .if they affixed the inscription to the coffin. The plate was not ready until the morning of the 14th, and there was no opportunity of placing it in its situation whilst the corpse was in England, but that which presented itself at Colchester. He felt himself thus pla ced in the most difficult circumstances. lie felt reluctance to perform this race in the church, and he felt that this was the last opportunity he should have of performing it at all. tie beg ged that the House would. not look at this circumstance with coolness and reflection, without considering the feelings by which he was agitated at the time. He took the'alternative b bad pledgrd his honour—his sacred honour to his dying mistress, and he acted to the best of his judgment a just part, and if he were again placed under similar circumstances, so help him GOD, he would pursne the same course.---- - (Hear, hear !J—He knew that it had been said that he profaned the House of God ; and he knew that there were canting metho dists, who had approved his conduct to his face, and tradocoed him behind his back. He chose a time for his purpose, when the Church was nearly empty. and it was nut until the plate had beers affixed to the coffin for three minutes, that any re presentation was made upon the subject. He left the Church and saw no indecorous disturbance. He slid hear 'hats the .aitary afterwards entered. but that was after he was gone, and he saw nothing of it. They then proceeded to Harwich, where the body was taken out of the hearse, and conveyed along the quay in such haste that he was obliged to run to keep up with it. There was no pall upon the coffin, and the boat in which it was conveyed was filled.. so that he could not - unpany it. The Hon. Member for Huntingdon compelled .s of the undertaker's men and four carriages to eruhaik for Stadt, and even with this force they had the greatest diffi culty in proceering when they arrived there. With one little exception he had no complaint to make as to the conduct of the funeral for the remainder of the journey to Brunswick. There was another point upon which he was anxious to vin dicate his own conduct from misrepresentations which. had gone abroad. One of the Hon.Nlembers for the City of Lon don had considered himself neglected in not being allowed to accompany the funeral as one of the Household.. He had considered the lion. Member as a friend of u r ielate Queen, and he had intended to provide for his attendance its that capacity. But Lord Liverpool subsequently desired hint, to put down the names of all the Household, for whom provision would be made. This of course excluded the Hon. Alder- man, and he sent him a copy of the letter. When they were at lia‘rwich, lie was again applied to, to put down the name , of the Hon. Alderman. But he would again ask, how in the name of honour he could, acting upon the same principles, put him down as one of the Household at IlarWich, when he had refused to do so at Brandenburgh House ? Three weeks after this he was astonished to find that his letter, and that of Lord Liverpool's, had been printed, with another censur ing his conduct front the Hon. Alderman, whom he had dur ing that period seen at Brunswick, without his saying a word upon the subject. The Hun. and Learned Gentleman then adverted to his intercourse' with the Queen previous to her death. Some months had elapsed, during which he was sel dom with her. He considered that his duty was at an end when the trial finished, and, amongst other reasons, his pro fessional engagements greatly operated to prevent his being with her Majesty; but above all, he depredated becoming her political adviser. He avoided it, because he did not feel him self qualified, and because lie was satisfied that the Queen would be so much better advised by her then Attorney and Solicitor-General. With regard to the motion before the House, as an honest man, he must acquit the Earl of Liver pool of any charge of intentional disrespect to her Majesty. He knew his intentions to be of an opposite nature, from all the intercourse which he bad with hint upon the subject. He did, however, think that the best means were not taken td shew a due respect to her Majesty's obsequies, and that decency and decorum were violated upon the occasion in question.—(Hear, hear !) The Marquis oeLONDONDERRY was desirous of acknow ledging the candid manner in which the Hon. and Learned Member had treated the question. He only felt it necessary to make a few remarks 111 explanation of particular points, and before doing so, he would endeavour to put the parties in the question upon their true footing in respect to each other. The proposition before the House was not at all am- biguous, because it had been cleared up by the Hon. Member for Shrewsbury, who stated, that Ministers had been ,guilty of a deliberate act of indignity towards the remains of her late Majesty. And this he had aggravated by saying, that they were morally responsible for the blood which was shed upon that day. He bad not, indeed, gone so far as he did the other day, when be stated his belief that his ,Majesty's Government intended to create a massacre of the people; but he contented hiMself with charging on them a moral respon sibility for the blood then shed. So apt was the Hon. Mem ber at making charges, that even the Hon. and Learned Gen tleman who spoke last seemed to expect some front that quarter, as well as from his (Lord Londonderry's) side of the House. From the latter apprehension he had great pleasure in relieving him. He never had contemplated any charge of impropriety of conduct against the Honourable and Learned Gentleman; and although he differed with him upon a feW points, he was disposed to take his speech as the defence of the Governiuent.. It was a perfect exoneration of Mi nisters, and all that he had to object to was, that the Honourable and Learned Gentleman had been rather hard upon the undertakers. It completely defended his Noble Friend, the First Lord of the Treasury, whom he should pre sently show to have acted with the most strict judgment throughout the proceedings of the day in question. It was also a vindication of the attendance of the military, who, as a guard of honour, were sent in the due observance of a neces sary mark of respect.—(Hear !)—He wished first to pin the House in sight of the truetondition of the parties, which the Hon. and Learned Gentleman bad failed to do with his usual clearness and accuracy. He seemed to think that a power had gone out of the hands of the executors, in their not hav ing the direction of the funeral;. and that if every thing had gone on as they bad wished, that they-should have retained that direction. Now he begged leave to say, that although that might be the law with regard to the executors of an or dinary individual, it was not so with those of the Royal Per sonage. It was a prerogative of the Crown, and the Earl of Liverpool, although he was willing to hear every suggestion, .and to conform as much as possible. tit the wishes of the exe cutors, yet he newer could contemplate their having any power in drecting the remoral of the corpse. It appeared, in deed, that if Mr. Thomas bad gone to Harwich in confor mity to the wishes of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, he would have had nothing to complain of at all. With regard to Mr. Thomas, he understood that he was a Gentleman in every •ateeption of the word. lie was next in the same de , partment to Mr. Mash, who was at the time iii Ireland, per forming important public services by - preparing for the festi vities that were to ensue. Mr. Thomas was the same Gentle man who conducted the latt Duke of Kent's funeral, and every decorum and Propriety was at that time observed. The Government having sent the funeral to Harwich under his control, his Hon. Frieud,, the Secretary of the Lord Chamberlain's department, then took the direction of it.— The Hon. and Learned Gentleman had expressed great sur prise that. Mr. Thomas produced the ceremonial as his autho rity at Brandenburgh House. It was only necessary for the Hon. and Learned Gentleman to know that he was the per sou deputed from the Government, and it was therefore very natural for him to produce the ceremonial in proof of that fact. With regard to what passed between them, he should be the last to justify wants language in, any man; but Mr. Thomas knew that- lie had no authority to seek from the Honourable and Learned Gentleman, and he no doubt felt himself obstructed in the discharge of his. duty. These observations would put the House in possession of the true 1 situation of the parties. With regard to the- conduct of his Majesty's Government in the affair, they acted ail along in conformity with her Majesty's desire. It was clear she wished for no primp or parade., nor for any popular concourse to attend her. He supposed that she had found - such sup port not so touch to her benefit as she had been led to ex pect.—(Hear !)—At least such was the appeararide from her conduct in her last. moments.—(Hear !)—The Noble Marquis then remarked upon the disposition evinced by Government to hasten , thurfuneral ; but he wished it to be understood,- that this desire of accelerating the departure of the corpse did not originate with bis Majesty. That could not be the case, as the dispositions were taken before any communica tion could have been, effected. The arrangements 'Were made upon the particular responsibility of his Noble Friend, the .Minister in London at that time. He could say this, because it. happened that he was in personal attendance upon his Ma-. jests , at the time when the intelligence of the Queen's death arrived. fle could assure the House that the intelligence was received, by the Illustrious Pet soilage with great feeling, arid that every•mark of respect, such as lowering flags and other ceremonies, were ordered by his Majesty expressly, who did not appear on deck for a considerable time. After the arrangements had been made, considerable inconvenience would have been occasioned by an alteration ; and it was therefore very properly resolved to ad - here to them. With respect to the proposed inscription on the coffin, he could not impute any blame to his Noble Friend for the course he took ; hut he (the Marquis) was decidedly of opinion, that the Hop. and Learned Gentleman had no right whatever to do what lie bad done. This remark, however, he was not dis posedsto presi -unnecessarily; and he would only observe, that his Noble Friend had informed the Hon. and Learned Member that such an inscription would not be allowed to be placed °Witte coffin while her Majesty's remains were. in, the custody of the Ki ng ' s Offi cers . The Hun. and Learned Gen tleman was not, however, to- understand that he was to he at full liberty to step in at any time afterwards, and, in his character of Executor, affix. the inscription. Such an un derstatiding would have been a contemptible evasion on the part of his Noble Friend, who lead merely intimated that the proceeding could not be permitted in this thoegh he did not anticipate the course which might be taken by others With regard to the embarkation, it was very true that there hart been a desire iu accelerate it at Harwich, and be believed this had been done withki.erY,possible solemnity ; but if there had been any inadvertaincy, any thing for which some blame alight be attributed to an undertaker, surely this- was not a ground of serious charge against his Majesty's Ministers. The questonsevas, what had been the intention ?—(Hear !) The Honourable and Learned Gentleman himself appeared to acquit Ministers. He had panegyrised the Earl of Liverpool; he had panegyrised Lord Melville; lie had panegyrised the Admiralty, and indeed everyone, except the immediate officers of the Goys.] nment. As to the rapidity with which the pro cession had been carried on, he could not agree, that because it had been interrupted on the first day, the arrangements should be altered entirely, especially as it was to be remem bered that the Church at Chelmsford had been fitted up for the reception of the coffin, and the persons connected with the town were in expectation of seeing the arrival of the pro cession. He How come to the heinous offence which had been committed by Ministers, in acting against the opinion of the Common Council of the City of London. Ministers wtre not hound to attend to that opinion, even had the arrangements not been made before it was expressed. Those arrangements, however, had been so made. (Thu Noble Marquis here referred to the offieial letter in answer to that conveying the result' tions of the Common Council.) And these arrangements being thus made, lie thought it was a little too much to ash that they should be all disturbed.. He did not wish to speak disrespects fully of-the Common Council, although he was unfortunately - in the habit of differing from them upon public matters; but really, when he considered the opinions they had expressed respecting the Queen, he certainly would not go out of his way to conform to their opinions. He had not heard of any disposition they had shewn to pay attention to the memory of her late Majesty Queen Charlotte ; or.of their. 'wish to ca nonize her; and he thought it not altogether necessary that the Queen of England should he interred under the auspices of the Common Council of the City of London. It was some relief to Ministers in the measures they took, to know that they were . acting under her Majesty's own directions; for even without them, it would have been desirable to prevent the funeral from being made a vehicle for that cabal and fac tion which had disturbed her peace while living.—(Hear, hear!)—lf the funeral -could have been conducted by water, Ministers wished it to have been so conducted ; but the navi gation of the river rendered it highly inconvenient. He ad-. twitted, however, that he preferred adhering to the spirit, as be conceived it, of her Majesty's will, to deferring to the opi nion of the Common Council. On th e w h o l e , h e deeplrla merited that the attention of the House and of the country should have been called to a subject which had better be blotted from remembrance. He. should always look hack with pain to the disgraceful scenes which had taken place during her Majesty's life; hot he wished them tube forgotten, a wish in which he believed he was heartily joined by her late Majesty's best friends. He could not, however, sit down without expressing it as his opinion, that there was no day in the history of the country more disgraceful to it than that, on which a systematic obstruction had been offered to the exer tions of the legal officers,- while they were conducting the funeral of the Queen.—(Hear, hear!) Dr. LUSHINGTON explained. A claim to her Majesty's body haul never been made. Mr. HORHOUSE said he should not have oh:ruded any observations on such a quiestion as this, but for sonic expres sions which had fallen from the Noble Lord, and for the man ner in which a Right Hon. Gentleman had spoken against his Hon. Friend near him (Mr. Finale). They were not to be told that they who had - espinrsed what was called the cause of the Queen were a cabal and a faction.• A faction was only a deperate few—a desperate portion of the people, who, fur their own sinister views, promoted a bad and mischievous object. They were not a faction who had declared their feel ings and their wishes for one who. had suffered under the strong grasp of power, and had been the victim of the most unjust persecution which ever assailed any sex, or disgraced any age or nation.—(Hear.)--alf the term faction could be long to an enlightened people, then all the nat hal had been factions, for all bad espoused the cause of the injured Queen' Caroline.—(Hear, hear !)—But the term faction appeared to be perfectly understood, and it belonged, not to the nation at large, hut to a few intriguing, designing, base, interest ed persotis, who promoted their iiwn object, by doing in- • justice,—(lond cheers,)—who rose on the ruius of a wo man, and that woman their Queen, their Mistress, the wife of their Soveieign--(hear);--these were the faction, these were the cabal. They were not a portion of the people,they were the whole of the English. nation, who bad declared strongly on the part of that illustrious lady, who had been truly called in that inscription on her coffin, and who would be regarded by posterity as, " the injured Queen of England." This epitaph posterity would confirm, and brand with lasting in famy her basest, meanest persecutors -who had followed her corpse to the grave, and who had stigmatised as a faction those who had dune themselves honour by undertaking her hopeless defence. He begged pardon of the House for using warm language, but felt it called for by the terms applied to those who had defended an unfortunate woman. The Right Hun. Gentleman might plead res Jura, but he could not plead regal novitas for such abusive terms.' To the credit of the Right Hon. Gentleman he bad nut taken part in the proceedings against her Majesty. In the one speech which lie had made upon the subject, he had taken care not to'enter into the general policy of the proceedings. If he had not formerly entered into the question, he (Mr. Hohhoute) did not see why he should have entered into it now. • The Noble Lord had said that the Queen repented on her death-bed of the part acted towards her by the people.—(No!)—lt was, then, tbat she bad expressed howlittle advantageshe had derived from the peopte,and that she hadwished for no pageantrysuch as they had forced upon her; but the Queen had well known, the people bad known, and that House bad known, the benefit derived from the interference of the people.-L(Cheers.)—Lord Liverpool had in another place stated, that the bill had b een stopped in consequence of the opinion of the people of Eng land in favour of the Queen. %Vas that a matt er o f which the Queen could have repented ? It did not appear that the Queen had wished the funeral to be private. " Obey the in junctions in the Queen's Will," was the cry when it suited the purpose. But where bad been the attention to her Will respecting the inscription on her coffin ? The Noble Lord now spoke with astonishment at the executors presuming to interfere at the funeral of a Queen, - the King's wife. That bad not been the language used when they prosecuted her.— (Cheers.)—No word about the King's wife could then escape I from therm It was, however, very unfortunate that none but a deputy's deputy could be found to nude, take the last mar tial office. Troops ought not to hare been sent. A lady in .attendance on her Majesty bad entreated that they should not, and for'etold the consequences. But it was not the guard of honour which occasioned the unfortunate affray. The Right Honourable Gentleman ban spoken 'of opposers, of the law. What' law ? Was it the law of the sword ? The Riot Act had not been-read. No law had been broken but by his Majesty's GOvernment, who . wished to accustom the people to military execution. It had not been done accidentally. From the riots in St. George's-fields. there hart bettn.a syste matic attempt to dispense withthe civil power, and to introduce the military on all occasions. There had been no disturbance in the Park till the troops proceeded with drawn swords and at a rapid pace.. The people hissed, but nn stones were then thrown. The people had acted, not against the law, but against Mi n i s ters, who, cm every occasion,-showed tkemselves prodigal o f the blood of the people of England. London was in the way of the funeral. When the Noble Lard spoke of a column formed by the people, he spoke of what was very un just, and very untrue. No inclination to tumult bast appear= ed, but only w h en t h e sa b res o f t h e m ilit ar y seemed to revive the scenes of Manchester.—(Hear, hear!)—He took the op portunity of mentioning that he had dissuaded his Gallant Friend (Sir Robert NVilson) frOm interfering, and urged this reason—. It isenot what yOu say or do, lint what others may. choose to say that you say or do, which will he charged against you." It was not t h en t h e tittle incidents that might he named, but it was the whole arrangements-of .the funeral which proved that due respect had not been paid to her Ma jesty. This the people of England believed, _ and posterity would confirm. Mr. PEEL explained.. He had alluded to a portion of the populace as aistinguished train the people of -England. He haff-not-allnded to Penchum, but to the Honourable Mem ber's complaint of the saving of cloth in tire apartment where her Majesty's body lay. Lord LONDONDERRY explained. He had not applied the terms faction and cabal to all those who had defended the Queen. . . Mr. HOBHOLISE- explained, that Peachum and Lockiii had been referred to by the Honourable and Gallant General on the floor. • Colonel CAVENDISH said the - soldiers were pelted as soon as they appeared. The Officer commanding had said, that on no occasion, when he 'had assisted the civil power, had he seen such ill treatment. His Honourable Friend, the Mem ber f o r Southwark, had, by his distinguished conduct, become an ornament to his profession,. but he had stated that the Life Guards had exhibited the appearance of cavalry when repulsed in a charge. The conduct of the Life Guards had never been spoken of but with approbation and applause.— (Cheers.)—The return - which he held in his hand showed that nine of the Guards had been in time hospital the day after the unfortunate affray. They had heenseveral days rendered un fit for duty. One had had his shoulder blade fractured, and had since been discharged. (Hear, hear, hear !)—His Honourable Friend would not deny that soldiers, what ever might be the distinction of civil and military duty, had a right, when attacked, to defend themselves. Sir ISAAC COFFIN said he thought it was highly discre ditable on all occasions to rake up the ashes of the dead. Mr. W. LAMB said he had not on any occasion wished to use any opprobrium towards the people. He never attended to any distinction of dress; he confined himself to noticing that of conduct.—(Hear, hear.)—Keeping this distinction alone in view, he would say, that those who committed the outrage of obstructing the Queen's funeral ought not to be called the people of England. He did not approve of the conduct of Ministers. He thought it would have been better had they complied with the reasonable wishes of the people. He (Mr. Lamb) had confidence in them ; he admired time for bearance they had shown upon many occasions, and express.- ly ou those when inflammatory speeches were made to them, though these always concluded with the recommendation to preserve the peace.—(Hear, hear,- hear.)—The Honourable Member for Shrewsbury bad'expressed his surprise that time late Queen had survived so long; but it she had really fallen a victim to suffering, it was, in his (Mr. Lamb's) opinion, very questionable whether that suffering had not been occa sioned by her exposure to unrestrained violence. He disap proved of the conduct of Ministers, but he thought their error was one of judgment. Mr. DENMAN said, that nothing could he more absurd the conduct of Government in interfering with the course of the funeral procession. It was well known that the feelings of the people of the city of London had been utmost warmly interested for her Majesty, and what objection there could be to permitting these feelings to find a proper.vent lie was at a loss to know. He contended that the conduct of Sir Robert Baker iii altering time course of the procession, when he found it 'could not proceed without bloodshed, deserved praise and thanks, instead of being censured and cashier ed. As to time degree of respect and solemnity atttend ing the funeral, lie must say that what be had heat d that night had made a great impression on. his mind. When he saw the officer of the Lord Chamberlain attending-7-- when he saw the officer of the Guards drawing . out the troops to do honour to the solemnity—when he saw the Admiralty giving orders for vessels to attend—and when he found the Noble Lord declaring that even the illustrious husband had received the news of her Majesty's death with feelings which did him honour—and that every external de monstration was made which the occasion demanded, he must pause ere he agreed to the terms of time motion. Though some of the details were not perhaps exempt from blame, yet he thought as to many pet sons of honour had borne testimony to the orders given (and betook it for granted they were obey ed), that the charges against Government in that respect were in a great measure removed. He thought it was not for his Majesty's Ministers to talk of disturbing the ashes of the dead, though it might be suitable to the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Peel) who had thought fit to join a Ministry, who found, on the accession of their Sovereign, the king 'dom.in the most profound tranquillity,' and had .continued to make it the most troubled and stigmatized era of any which cursed the annals of our country. Mr. BENNET said he should not divide the House.—The Motion was then put and negatived. Mr. BERNAL asked a question respecting the Russian Ta riff, and was answered by the Marquis of LONDONDERRY; but the noise was too great fur us to hear either the question or the answer distinctly. ARMY ESTIMATES. On the order of the day being read for the House going into a Committee on the Army Estimates— . Colonel Davies, Lord Palmerston, Mr. Bernal, and the Mar quis of Londonderry, said a few words across the table on the propriety of postponing their consideration. Lord STANLEY asked, whether there was any truth in the rumour that had gone abroad of its being the intention to re duce the half-pay of the Army and Navy ? The Marquis of LONDONDERRY assured the Noble Lord that he knew of no such intention on the part of his Ma jesty's Ministers • but he did not know if the report had ar i sen from any thing which had dropped from the lion, Member for Montrose.—(Hear, hear, and a laugh.) Lord STANLEY believed it arose from something said by a Noble. Lord in another place. Mr. HUME hoped the Noble Lord (Palmerston) would not press on the Army Estimates in the exhausted state of the House. After a few words from Mr. BERNAL and Mr. Hv sxissoN, the Houie divided on the question for going into a Comthittee, when there appeared— Ayes -.- - - 116 - Noes - - - - - 28. Majority - - - - —BB The House again divided on the question, that the Speaker do leave the Chair._ The numbers were— For the Motion - - - Against it - - Majority - - - The House then went into a Committee. - 118 .. -97 On our return to the Gallery we found Mr. HUME contend ing against the propriety of going into the estimates at that late hour. Gentlemen on his side of the House did not wish to stop the public business, but after a debate of seven hours, he thought they should not enter into so complicated a question as the esti. mates before them. The lion. Member then commented on the various items in the estimates, and pointed out the re ductions that should be made. Six thousand pounds were proposed for the mess of the guards, while for every other regi ment no more that 2501. were voted. The bill of fare for the guards was a curious one ; breakfast two different -times, rolls, muffins, coffee, &c. dinner daily for 16, he believed it was now reduced to. 13 ; the best fish' in the London market, two courses; four dishes of roasted poultry in the 2d course; wines, port, claret, and madeira, without limit, and it was for that extravagance the House voted away the public money. He thought that item might be reduced one-half, still leav ing a sufficient allowance of 3,0001. The next item was 4,8001. for a Board of General Officers to decide upon claims in the time of wai; that he should reduce to 2,500 L The next was the allowances of Captains and officers of the 'guards, in lieu of what they received from outlayers. That amounted to 8,5151. which he proposed should be done away lwith altogether. Three thousand pounds was annually voted for printing the army list, although there were 'many booksellers who would be glad to purchase it without any ex pense to the country. The Hon. Gentleman was then pro ceeding through the various items, when there was a general cry of" Adjourn !" Mr. HUYIE then moved that the Chairman do report pro. gress, and get leave to sit again. Lord PALMERSTON said, it was an old and an equitable maxim, AUDI ALTERAM PARTEM, and he should there- fore beg leave to say a few words in reply. The Noble Lord then followed Mr. Hume through the various items. He said the sum proposed for the guards was now one-fourth less than in 1792, and they could not now reduce it more, unless they were disposed to withdraw all allowances alto gether. The army list was compiled by a person in his office, for which he received a small compensation, and it was necessary it should be so regulated, for the purpose of sending.it to the dif ferent garrisons ; besides, in the 3,0001. voted they must include the Gazettes, &c. When the iNrof.:de Lord had concluded his statement— Colonel I - lARDINGE rose to explain a misconception re specting the Guards; although. there was that allowance .for their mess, their pay was much less than that of the officers of the line. • Colonel DAVIES said, if the Guards had the allowances of other regiments, their pay would be much higher than what it was: Mr. HUME did not allude to the pay, but the extravagant expense of the table. The CHAIRMAN then reported progress, and got leave to sit_again. The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of ; and the louse adjourned at a QUARTER TO 4001 , t this morning. ANNUAL MALT-TAX ACT. The following Resolutions were reported and agreed to last night in th e H ouse o f C ommons : 1. That, from and after the 25th day of February, l8?2, the Duty of Excise on. Malt, charged by an Act made in the -2d year of his present Majesty, " for continuing to his Ma jesty certain duties on malt, sugar, .tobacco, and snuff, fo reign spirits, and sweets, in Great Britain, and on pensions, offices, and personal estates, in England, for the service of the year 1821," shall cease and determine, and he no longer paid or payable, except as to any arrear thereof. 2. That the said duty shall be allowed fur and upon all dry unground malt, produced to, and taken account of, by the proper officer of excise, after the 15th day of .February, and before the 3d day of March, 1822, as the stock of any malt ster or maker of Malt for sale, seller or retailer of malt, cone. mon brewer, distiller, victualler, or vinegar -maker, and for which all the duties payable by law bare been charged or paid, deducting from such account twelve per centum on brown or porter malt, and five per centum on all other dry nnground malt, for the swell and increase thereof over the quantity of such malt charged with duty, such allowance to , be payable and paid to the holders of such stock, by four equal instalments, on the four usual quarter-days, com mencing the sth day of July, 1822. • 3. That there shall be granted and allowed, for and upon every barrel of strong beer or ale, made or brewed after the 25th day of February, 1822, in Great Britain, and for which all the duties payable by law shall have been charged or paid, and which shall be duly exported to foreign parts as merchantlize, a drawback of 14s. 2d. only, in lieu of the draw back now payable on beer so exported. 4. That the sum of 4s. British currency, on every barrel of malt, containing four bushels Winchester measure, which at any time after the 25th day of February, 1822, shall be wade of barley, or any other corn or grain, in Ireland, (part of the duty of excise of I4s. on every barrel of malt granted by an Act made in the 59th year of his late Majesty King George the Th;rd) shall cease and determine, and that for and upon every such barrel of malt which, at any time after the said 25th day of February, 1822, shall be made of barley, or other corn or grain, in Ireland, by any person or persons whomsoever, whether the same shall be or shall npt be 'or sale, the sum of 10s. British currency, and no ' and so proportionably f or an y greater or le &s tiiantity Il be paid by the maltster or maker thereof, respectively, ieu of all duty payable thereon under or by virtue of any Act or Acts in force in Ireland, mor shal • . 5. That the sum of 4s. per barrel shall be allowed for and upon all dry unground malt produced to and taken account of in Ireland by the proper officer of Excise, after the 15th day of February and before the 3d day of March, 1822, as the st , ck of any maltster or milker of malt for sale, seller or re tailer of malt, common brewer, distiller, victualler, or vine gar-maker, and for which all the duties payable by law have been charged or paid, deducting front such account twelve per centum on brown or pwrter malt, and five per centum on all other dry unground malt for the swell and increase thereof, over the quantity of. such malt charg ed with duty; such al nice to be payable and paid t o th e holders of such stock, Jur equal instalments on the four usual quarter-days, menciug the sth day of July, 1322. That upon the txpdttation of .any spirits made or dis.. ied in Iraind front coin •or grain, malted or unmalted,_ at lowa, by to conir. any time .after the 25th day of February, HU,. and ,which shall be warehoused in Ireland, and exported from thence to .any place except Great Britain, there shall be allowed and paid a drawback of 4111. and no more, upon every gallon of such spirits, for and in respect of the duty paid on the foal:: used and consumed in the making of such spirits, in lieu and instead of all drawbacks allowed and made payable on such spirits in respect of such duty, by any Act or Acts in force in Ireland; and that on all spirits made or• distilled in Ire land from corn or grain, malted or .unnialted, at any tine after the said 25th day of February, and on which all duties im posed by law thereon shall be paid, and which shall be ex ported from Ireland, otherwise than front his Majesty's ware houses, to any place except Great Britain, there shall be al, lowed and paid . a drawback of 5,10 Id. for every gallon of such spirits of a strength not less than that of one to ten over- hydrometer proof, being, according, to law, seven per centuin above proof by Sikes's hydrometer, in lieu of all drawbacks allowed or made payable on such spit its under any Act nr Acts in force in Irclaud. • '7. That, from and after the /5111 day of February, 1822, he sum of 4s. British currency, (part of the drawback or al - lee of 14s. made payable by an Act made in the 59th year late Majesty King George•the Third, on every barrel of malt made in Ireland, and exported to any other place than - Great Britain,) and also, the sum of 2s. 9d. British currency, (part of ilie drawback or allowance of 9s. 9d. made payable by the said Act,) on every barrel of beer or ale made in Ireland and exported to any other place than Great Britain, shall be repealed, and shall cease and determine; and that, from and after the said 25th day of February, 1833, instead of all for mer drawbacks on malt, or on beer or ale made in Ireland, and exported to any other place than Great Britain, there shall be paid to every person who shall legally export from Ireland, to any other place than Great Britain, any malt, or strong beer or ale made or brewed in Ireland, the drawbacks and allowances following; that is to say, For every barrel of such malt, containing four bushels Win chester measure, the sum of 10s. Brittish currency; and for every barrel of such beer or'ale the suns of 7s. British cur. rency, and no more. owa B..that, from and after the 25th day' of February 1822, the countervailing duty of 3s. 6d. imposed by an Act made in the 59th year of his late Majesty ul lrish malt imported or brought into Great Britain from Ireland, shall cease and de termine, except as to any arrear thereof; and that in lieu thereof the following duty of Excise shall be charged, levied, collected, and paid : For mid upon every bushel of .ma!t made in Ireland, and imported or brought from thence into Great Britain unground, an excise countervailing duty of 2s. 6d. ; and that upon the exportation from Great Britain to Ireland, after the said 25th (lay of February 1822, of any malt made in Great Britain, there shall be allowed and given a drawback equal in amount to the said countervailing duty payable on malt made in Ire land and imported into Great Britain,.an-d-ao more. 9. That, from and after the 25th clay of Feb. 1822, the sum of 4s. British currency, on every barrel of malt, containito , four bushels Winchester ineasureAnule in Great Britain, and imported from thence into Ireland, (part of the countervailing duty of Ids. on every such barrel, grant ed by an Act Made in the 59th year of his late Majesty King George the Third, and of the equivalent drawback on the exportation from Ireland to Great Britain of any malt made in Ireland), shall be re pealed, and shall cease and determine; and that, from and after_ the said .25th day of February, 1822, there shall 'he charged, for and upon every such barrel of malt made in Great Britain, and imported from thence, after the said 25th day of February, 1822, directly into Irelanii, the countervail ing duty or sum of 10s. British currency, and nu more, in lieu and full satisfaction of all countervailing duties whatsoever payable on such malt, under or by virtue of any Act or Acts of Parliament in force in lieland; and that, upon the expor tation front Ireland to Great Britain of any malt made in Ire land, there shall be allowed and giv e n a d raw b ac k equal iu amount to the countervailing duty so made payable on malt made in Great Britain and imported into Ireland. • 10. That, from and after the 25th day of February; 1822, the countervailing duty of 16s. 2d. imposed by an Act made in the 59th. year of his late Majesty King George the Third, upon Irish strong beer, ale, or mum, imported or brought into Great Britain directly from Ireland, shall cease and de termire, except as to any at rear thereof; and that'll . ] lieu thereof the following duty of Excise shall be levied, charged, collected, and paid:— _ For and upon every barrel, consisting of thirty-six gallons English beer measure, of Irish strong beer, ale, or mum, which shall be imported or brought into Great Britain directly from Ireland, an Excise countervailing duty of 14s. id. ; and that upon the exportation from Great Britain to Ireland, after the said 25th day of February, 1822, of any strong beer, ale, or mum, made in Great Britain, there shall be allowed and paid a drawback equal in amount to the said countervailing duty so pi”ah!e on strong beer, ale, or mum, made in Ireland, and imparted into Great Britain, and no more. 11. That from and after the • 25th day of February, 1822, the sum of 2s. 9d. British currency, on every barrel of beer