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rot - withstanding all its collective wisdom, and all its united talents, could never attend to more than one thing at a time. — -As a proof of this, he begged to recal to their recollection the exclusive intespst which the discussions relative to the late Qneen had excited in that House. During the time that such questions were under discussion, he would ask if the pre,sent question would have obtained a hearing ? He would bear in mind that during this time the question of Parliamentary itself could not be brought forward, as there was not even a chance of getting the House to listen to it. Immediately previous to this they had the Manchester business. In 1815, the time when the Civil List was discussed, they were engaged, not in settling whether a pacific Ambassador should be sent to this or the other Court, but whether that military monster which had taken hold of the Continental nations should also take hold of us—whether we should in the time of profound peace keep up a standing army to the amount of 99,000 men ? In 1317 there was the Suspension of the Habeas Corpus, and the passing of the Indemnity Bills ; and in 1818 there was the im mediate prospect of a dissolution of Parliament, and the Mem bers .were more intent upon what was to go on out of doors than what was going on within. It wouldthe borne in mind, however, that for twenty months previous to the itme at which the motion was intimated,there had been no Er.voy and Minis ter Plenipotentiary sent out. That the present Minister had been sent, some might be disposed to call a political arrange ment, and others an accommodation granted to a party. He hoped, however, that he would be indulged in what he had to state. He had no objection whatever to the Gentleman who held the commission, or to the mode in which he had been ap pointed. His sole objection was to the i commission itself. The Noble Lord (Londonderry) had said that the views of his Majesty's Ministers had been misunderstood, but he would beg leave to-refer the Noble Lord to what took place'when the Address oflast June was voted. The Address to the Throne was for economy and retrenchment generally, and particularly for revision of the Civil List. Now the House would never surely' have alluded to that matter in an Address to the Sovereign, if they had considered all the details of the Civil List as perma nently settled four or five years ago. He would not have called the attention of the House to the question, unless it had been for the necessity of some alteration in our system of expenditure. An alteration must take place ; and if the House would go into no inquiry, and propose no measure to that effect, he knew not how they could appear before the tribunal of the country. If it had been found that during twenty months they had had no mission to the Swiss Cantons, it was in vain to appeal to the precedent' of Count Capo d'lstria, or of any other Charge d'Affaires. If we had suffered nothing by these twenty months, he would ask the Noble Lord why Mr. Disbrowe should not have been continued ? It might indeed be said, that the Civil List Bill, regulating those missions, had passed. llia Honourable Friend the Member for Huntingdon had en deavoured to procure a delay in the passing of that Bill, by moving a delay in the bringing up of the Report. He (Mr. IVarre) recollected that he did, support that motion fot delay, and therefore there was no inconsistency in his present proposal. The Noble Lord had, if he rightly understood him, said, that the mission now was put upon the same footing as in 1792. •It would be borne in mind, however, that Lord Robert Fitz gerald was appointed in 1792, and that being, if not the first _year of the war, at least the year immediately previous to its commencement, rendered the case quite different from •the present. The Noble Marquis had indulged, good-humour edly he would allow, but still he had indulged, in accusa tions against the proposers of such motions as this; but he hoped the Noble Marquis would bear in mind that he had encouraged the 'bringing forward of such proposals. At the -very threshold and opening . of those discussions with which the House had been occupied, the Noble Lord had said, and called upon the House to mark his words, that he admit tea the general necessity of retrenchment, that he recognised the principle to its full extent, and only wanted tohave the par- titular instances pointed out to him in order that he might agree to them. Now he would take the Noble Marquis on his own ,ground. He would shew that Mr. Disbrowe had performed otll the duties upon a salary of 1,5951. subject to a deduction of 10 per cent., while the new establishment would cost 3,900 L, subject, of course, to the same deduction. Comparing the one of these sums with the other, the continuation of Mr. Disbrowe, which had produced no inconvenience during twenty months, would produce a saving of 20841. This was the sum for the saving of which he contended ; and he felt that he stood upon strong grounds. It exceeded the salary of either of the Lay Lords of the Admiralty, or that of the Joint Postmaster 'General. He had not alluded to this particular case because of any unfitness on the part of the Gentleman who held the office„ . .but it ought to be borne in mind that there were others winch were in every oespect worse. He would have held it unfair to select Mr. Ni ynn as the sole object against -which measures ought to be directed. He was aware that the measures,, against which his motion' was directed, might be defbirled on the ground that they had been settled in the year 1814 or 1815, when the troops-of the country had just returned. victorious from Waterloo, and the Noble Marquis Cad come frem his conference with the Potentates of Europe.— At that time Parliament could not refuse the Noble Marquis any thing which he might choose to ask, but he should doubt whether the Noble Marquis would hope for such complaisance from the Honk now—he would like to hear him propose now the building of Dutch fortresses, or the granting of a loan to Russia.—( Hear !)--He hoped 'that he had confined himself to the general question ' and that he had so conducted it as not to hove unnecessary offsnce to those against whom it appeared in the particular application to be directed. The Hon. Gentle men concluded by moving his Resolutions, which were in sub etanee as follows : " That it appeared, that, from 1782 to 1793, the expence of the 'Mission to 'Switzerland had been 2501. ' - that from 1792 to 1795, it had been 15751. ; that up to 1814 , it had never been more than 15751.; and that during part of that period it had . been 3651. That without detriment to the country, the sum might now he made the same as that paid to Lord Robert Fitz gerald-in 1793, namely, 15751." The Marquis of LONDONDERRY rose.—Having had occasion last night to address some observations to the House upon this subject, and considering the very liberal and certainly very fair manner in which the Hon. Member brought forward the question, he should not think it necessary to trouble the House at any length. The very liberal shape in which the question was presented enabled him to approach it more di rectly than he could have done if an answer to the motion were to lead him into a wandering discussion. The Hon. Member must have either forgotten the principles he (Lord London derry) had mentioned last night as the ground of refusing the - motion, or he had endeavoured to take him by surprise, when he contended that this question had not been before a Commit - tee, before. He (Lord Londonderry) had laid down last night a . principle, that foreign affairs could be conducted only by placing confidence in the Executive Government, and that it would be impossible to appoint missions, select individuals; or fir. the scale of missions, without that confidence. En 1815 the House had taken the estimate frinn the Crown. It was true that objections had been made to the taking of the. estimate' in that way, but those objections lied been as unavailing then as he trusted this motion would be to-night. The House then took the estimate on the ground of confidence in the A arninistration of the day, and the responsibility on which they acted. He trusted that if the House would nothave the e:etimates generally submitted to a Committee last night, they Would not take this particular branch of them for inquiry, sinless there appeared to be something very incorrect. If this art was correct as the rest, how could it be selected for inquiry ? If the House consented to this proposal, hoiv many more would they pUt at issue on the same principle. It was the more ne cessary to take their station here, because it appeared to be one of a series of motions of the same kind. The Honourable Gen tleman had no objection to the individual who filled the office in question ; he admitted his station in the country to have fit ted him for the office ; he adMitted, too, that his having had a pension was an additional recommendation.' In these circurn. s • stances, the selection of Switzerland Might appear surprising.— This particular choice seemed to have been made from regard ro the Right Hon. Gent. (Mr. Tierney), who would ho longer call his Right Hon. Friend (Mr. Wynn) near him his (Mr. Tier ney's) Right Hon: Friend, though others continued that cour tesy. This' was the usual practice of the Right Hon. Gentle man to withdraw his friendship whenever Gentlemen happened - to join his Majesty's Government. In this way only could- he account for the particular attention now given to the mission to • Stein:erten:l. But it nppeared that no sooner was this to be disposed of, than another Hon. Member would come forward with a similar proposition 'respecting another mission. The retiber for Sudbury had talked of cancelling missions; so, that the foreign affairs of this country would be managed on the floor of the House of Commons. lf, therefore, he object ed last night to going before a Committee, because, though he had geeat confidencein every Committee of that Rollie, he did not think a Committee fit for such a purpose, much more must lie object to the present proposition.' Already Wurtemberg and Bavaria were almost on the notice for addressing the COMM that the missions to them should cease, unless cause could be shown from diplomatic circumstances to prove that • they were necessary. If, -then, this would not be constitu tional—and it was not the habit of America, that favourite ex ample, to ask such account of the executive ; for a very large round sum had been voted that missions might be sent to South -America, without requiring what character of missions, or what scale of expense was to be adopted, for Buenos Ayres, •for Colombia, Chili, or Peru—we were become less monarchi al than America. They were more confiding than we, and abstained from inquiry where there was not immediate abso lute necessity at the moment. The present proposition went to saiteblish the practice, that if it could be proved that an indivi ,thial had ever received lesS money on any occasion, or if there -had been a cessation in any respect in a mission, then the pre sumption must be against Ministers, and the onus must be • thrown- on them of Justifying their conduct, not only ,i 0 the face of Parliament, but in the face of the public at large. If he were to submit to such a practice, the House must think him not fit for his office. He would not so far degrade his office. An argument more strained than the Hon. Mcmber's ' through all his details to establish his conclusion, he had never heard. It was founded particularly on the case of Mr. Braun, who had been there from 1782. Ile (Lord Londonderry), when he had ad verted to this case last night, had supposed that this appoint. ment had been a sentence of degradation—a punishment for diplomatic offences. He had certainly inquired since what had been the cause, and when he stated it, it would perhaps decide the question, whether there ought to be a wish to imitate all the circumstances of this case. He was not sure that it would be thought convenient, or more economical, that all dispatches should he written in the French language. Mr. Braun had been an old Swiss officer, attached, it was true, to this country. Mr. Norton, whose secretary he had been, had left him behind him there; but why no change had been made for nine years af tenvards,:he (Lord L.) knew not, and had not been able to as certain.—(Cheers.)-- e could not tell whether it might not be to mark some displeasure felt towards the Swiss Cantons. It was not known what feeling might then have existed towards Switzerland. It was, however, known that it was a common mode of showing a feeling of coldness to appoint a Minister of inferior rank, or with inferior salary. Those things had often been done ; but if the doctrine now contended for were established, it could not happen in future without the consideration of all its cir cumstances on the floor of the House. He believed Mr. Braun had been very honest; but he could not trace the influence of his mission in that country. Fair influence could be exercised by such means, but from the period of 1792, whenhostilities were breaking forth , he saw nothing to lead him to believe that any valuable conse quences had resulted from Mr. Braun's having resided during those years as our Minister in Switzerland. Ile did not think it safe to adopt the plan of the Hob. Member, and to withdraw our Minister at the conclusion of a negotiation, and then wait till an extraordinary courier should announce that the neutra lity had been actually violated. He did not believe that our Minister, when sent back, would find the country in the best spirit to co-operate with him. He could not agree to the pro position, that we should not have a Minister, unless there should be active employment for him where he resided. It was his business to ascertain what counsels they were about to adopt, and what other counsels might be suggested to them. Upon considering the history detailed by the Hon. Member, he contended that the whole stream of policy was in favour of the present appointment. Mr. Braun had been there from 1783; but in opening his case, the Hon. Member had forgot ten the different circumstances in which Mr. Wickham and LOid Robert Fitzgerald had occupied the same station. Lord Fitzgerald had been there for four years, from 1792 to 1796, when he was succeeded by Mr. Wickham, who, for a short time, had been Charge d'Affaires, but was afterwards Mi nister Plenipotentiary till the peace of Amiens. But really he was fatiguing the House to proceed in this argument, since 110 objection had been made to the individual. He could not a'ee that any ground had been stated for the motion. He would, however, just call the attention of the House to communica tions with Mr. S. Canning on his appointment as Minister Ple nipotentiary. The Noble Marquis lien read a letter to Mr. Stratford Canning, desiring him to tell the Confederation that a Minister would be sent to them from this country to supply his place, and afterwards explained the circumstances which led to a delay of some months before any such Minister was appointed. He was not certain that he had not gone into more explanation than was necessary upon a motion like the present.--( Loud cheers from the Opposition.)--He knew the meanin of those cheers. Some Gentlemen thought that if You told anyany thing, you ought to tell every thing.—(Great cheering, mingled with laughter, from the Opposition.)—He was however, of a very different opinion, and thought that secrets of State ought never to be divulged.—(Cheers.)—Though the Hon. Member who had introduced this measure had introduced it in a very fair and liberal manner, still he must say that there epeared in other quarters a very uncharitable desire to run down the character of a private individual. He trusted, how ever, that the House would oppose itself to that desire, and would protect the characters of public men against darkhints and unfounded insinuations. He should not trouble the House with any further observations at present, as he apprehended, from the vote of last night, that Gentlemen had made up their minds to travel in the paths of their ancestors, which had con ducted the country to greatness, power, and honour, and not to deviate from them into principles which were not admitted to be sound even by such states as acknowledged a democratical form of gnvernment.—(Cheers.) Lord NORMANBY said, that he was not without hopes, notwithstanding the threats of the Noble Marquis last night, that he should live to see him not divested of his situation as Foreign Secretary, but continuing to discharge the duties of his office without sending out an Embassy to the Swiss Cantons at 5,0001. a-year. He begged to assure the House that in his support of the motion of his Honourable Friend, he was not actuated by any hostility of an individual nature, but solely by his feelings of opposition against the nature of the situation. With regard to the Noble Marquis's opposition to the motion, he confessed he was alarmed when he heard the Noble Marquis begin upon his state secrets, least some of those mighty mys terms, of Which they had heard so much, might escape. But not the closest Foreign Secretary on the Continent but would acquit the Noble Marquis, however, not only of not having let slip any of those state secrets, but of having said a woed appertaining to the motion.—(Hear, hear !)—With respect to Mr. Braun, he did not like to hear him condemned, for he was part of economical arrangements made by Mr. Pitt at the time of his entering office. That Gentleman was a most patriotic example of faithful servants. He did not see how hospitality requisite in Foreign Ministers bore on this subject; for British travellers who went to Switzerland went there to enjoy the rural romance of the country. The Noble Marquis had really given no answer whatever to the statement of his Hon. Friend, and he conceived the: merits of the case were fairly before the House in full force as his Hon. Friend had left them. Cries of " Question," and " Withdraw," were then reite rated from all parts of the House : in the midst of them Mr. WARRE rose to reply; but not a single observation that he made reached the gallery. The Marquis ofIONDONDERRY then rose to say that he trusted the Resolutions would be put seriatim. On the first seven Resolutions he should move the previous question ; the last he should meet with a decided negative. The first seven Resolutions were then read from the Chair ; the previous question was moved on the seven first, and carried. On the Bth Resolution the House divided— _ For the Motion - - . 141 Against it - - 247 • Majority - - -106 RELIEF TO THE IRISH POOR. On strangers' re-admission to the gallery, Mr. GOULBURN was found addressing the House, with a view to his motion for leave to bring in a Bill to provide employment for the Poor in certain districts of Ireland. The chief object' of the measure was to enable the population to earn their subsistence by their own exertions, as the greatest and rhost substantial benefit that could be conferred upon them. Another object related more directly to the means by which this was to be accomplished. It was well known to persons acquainted-with that country, that there were many large tracts of land utterly impervious, where there was little or no communication, and where crimes were frequent from the means afforded of escape. By the present measure, therefore, it was proposed to place a certain sum at the disposal of the. Lord Lieutenant, to be by him applied to the construction of new roads, in those districts where the suf fering was most severe. The work, it was intended, should be executed, not under local authority; but by officers appointed immediately by Government, which alone was to be respon sible. A want of means had hitherto prevented the counties' in qUestion from undertaking this improvement; but as soon as the advantages were realized, and the estimates of their ex pence submitted to the'Grand JurieS, .no doubt could be enter tained of, their disposition tb repay the sums advanced. The Right Hon. Gentleman, after alluding to the necessity of dis patch in passing'a measure of this kind, moved for leave to bring in the Bill. Sir W. DE CRESPIGNY felt anxious that the benefits of this measure should be rendered permanent. Mr. S. RICE regarded it as a very judicious proceeding as one equally well calculated to save the people from starving, and from an utter dependance upon the bounty of others. On the part of Ireland, the Hon. Gentleman expressed his deep sense of the sympathy and generous spirit which had been ma nifested in England towards the sister country. Sir E. O'BRIEN likewise approved of the measure in con templation, and declared himself a grateful admirer of the liberality with which Englishmen had shown themselves dis posed to ralieve the distresses of Ireland. , It was the best proof that could be yielded of a true and indissoluble union. Mr. BROUGHAM desired it to bc understood that, in lend ing his support to this particular measure, tie by no means corn: mated himself to an approbation of the conduct adopted by his Majesty's Government with regard to Irish affairs, or in re spect to the delay which had taken place in inquiring as to, and ascertaining, the distress." Mr. GOULBURN said he should' be , happy to meet any motion on this subject, and was prepared to show that 'no im putation could be cast on the proceedings of Government. Mr. BROUGHAM explained, that he did not himself give notice of any motion on the subject. After a few words from Mr. GRATTAST ' the motion was agreed to, and leave granted to . bring in the Bill. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved for leave to bring in a Bill, to extend to. Great Britain the powers of the Commissioners of Inquiry into the Revenue of Ireland. Colonel DAVIES expressed a hope that the Commissioners would act gratuitously. Mr. WALLACE, after a few words from Mr. HumE and Mr. BANKES, said no additional expence would be brought on the country by this measure. After he, inquiry should be at an end, it would be open to Parliameit to consider what re muneration the Commissioners were entiled to. _ After few words i;;tif;:S. RICE, General HART, Mr. BRIQHT, and Mr. GOULBURN, leavewas given to bring in, the Bill. It was afterwards brought in,read a first time, and ordered to be read a second time on Moiday next. The other Orders of the Day were thn disposed of, and the House adjourned at Half-past Eleven o'clock. LIST OF THE 31INCRITY : 1 OF 147 auto VOTED FOIL MR. LESNARD'S MOTION, For a Committee to inquire into the Exlenditure of the Third Class of the Civil List, for Ambassaiors and Consuls, and to consider whether any RedUction cculd be made in the; expence, and the Amount brought, to le,Consolidated Fund, as directed by the Act.for General Service. Althorp, Visct. Fitzgerald,LordW. Newman, R. Aubrey, Sir' John Foley, T. O'Callaghan, J. Anson, Sir Geo. Fitzroy, Lord C. Osborne, Lord F. Astell, Wm. Fetherstone, Sir 'I. Ord, W. Abercrornby,Hn.J. Grosvenor, Hon. R. Price, Richard Burdett, Sir F. Gurney, R. H. Pym, F. •Boughton, Sir C. R. Guise, Sir W: ' Palmer, Col. Boughey, SirJ. F. Grenfell, P. Palmer, C. F. Broug,hiim, H. Grant, J. P. Pares, Thos. Bright, Henry • Griffith; J. W. Peirse, H. Barnard, Viscount Grattan, J. Power, Rd. Birch, J. . Gaskell, Ben. Powlett, Hon. W. Rennet, Hon.H.G. Hume, Joseph ' Ricardo, D. Benett, John Howard, Hon. W. Roberts, A. W. Barrett, S. B. M. Haldimand, W. , Roberts, Colonel Bury, Viscount Hill, Lord Arthur Rice., 1 . . S. Belgrave, Visc. Heathcote, Sir G. Robinson, Sir Geo. Browne, Dom. Hornby, Ed. Rickford, Wm. Bernal, Ralph Hutchinson, Hcn. Rumbold, C. E. Becher, W. W. C. H. Ridley, Sir M. W. Blake, Sir F. Honeywood,W.P. ' Smith, Hon. Rt. Butterworth, J. • Hurst, It. Scarlett, J. Byng, George Hughes, Colonel Stanley, Lord Baring, Sir 'l'. Ilobhouse, J. C. Sefton, Earl of Baring, H. James, W. Smith, Wm. Crompton, S. Jervoise, G. P. Sykes, D. Crespigny, Sir W. ~ Kennedy, T. F. Sebright, Sir J. Calcraft, John Lethbridge, Sir T. Smith, Samuel Calcraft, J. H. Lockhart, W. E. Stuart, Lord J. Cockburn, R. Lamb, Hon. G. Scott, James Coke, T. W. Leycester, Ralph Tierney, Rt. Hn.G. Campbell, Hon. G. Lester, B. L. Titchfield, Nlarq, of Campbell, W. Lemon, Sir W. Townshend, Ld. C. Carter, J. Langston, J. H. Tavistock, ntarq. of Cavendish, 1.1. G. Lloyd, Sir Ed. Tynte, C. K. Cavendish, Ld. C. Lushington, Dr. Western, C. C. Cavendish, Ld. H. Latouche, It. Wood, Alderman Clifton, Viscount Monck, J. )3. Wilson, Sir It. Carew, It. S. Macdonald, Jas. Webbe, Colonel Concannori, Lucius Maberly, John Williams, J. Calvert, C. Mackintosh, SirJ. Williams, Sir It. , Caulfield, Hon. H. Martin, John Whitmore, W. W. Coffin, Sir 1. Marjoribanks, S. , Warre, J. A. Davies, Col. Mostyn, Sir Thos. Whitbread, 'W. H. Denison, W. J. 31arryatt, Jos. Whitbread, S. C. Denman, Thos. ' Mahon, lion. S. Dickinson, %V. Moore, Peter TELLERS. Dundas, Charles Newport, Rt. Hon. Lennard, T. B. Ebrington, Visct. Sir John Creevey, T. - Ellice, Ed. Normanby, VISCt. PAIRED OFF. Ellis, Hon. G. A. Neville, Hon. R. Russell, Lord J. .Fergusson, SirR.C. Nugent, Lord - Phillips, G. PARLIAMENTARY PROCEEDINGS. HOUSE OF COMMONS. Jovis, 16° die Maii, 1822. ROADS—Surrey New—Petition of Company of Proprietors of Waterloo Bridge, against, referred to the Committee on the Bill; Counsel ordered. Hundred House, and Sunning and Windsor—read a third time and,paised. CALEDONIAN ASYLUM—BiII read; a second time, and corn. LEATHER TAX—Petition of Farmers, Tanners, and others, of Tiverton, for the repeal thereof. Petitions from the City of York, and from Suffolk, to be printed. BUTTER TRADE (IRELAND)—Petition of the Grand Jury of Tipperary, hi favour of Duties on Importation of Foreign Butter—to be printed. Cu BRIERS AND TANNERS—Petition of Curriers of Loneo.i and Westminster, for continuance of the separation of the Trades of Curriers and Tanners; to be printed. IVE,LSH J U DIC AT U RE—Petition of Grand Jury of Glamor snshire, for the abolition thereof; to be printed. ALEHOUSE LICENSING BILL—' for amending the Laws for regulating the manner of licensing Alehouses, in that part of the United Kingdom called England, and for the more effectually preventing disorders therein,"presented, and read a Ist time, to be read a second time on Monday, and p be printed. BAKEns REGULATION BiLL—reported ; further considera tion of Report on Tuesday ; Bill as amended, to be printed. MIDDLESEX COUNTY RATE—Petition for leave to present a Petition for a Bill, reported, and leave given ; Petition pre- , . , sented, and referred to a Committee. CORN Laws—Petitions of Owners and Occupiers of Land in the neighbourhood of Stow-on-the-Wold, against lowering the importation prices—to be printed. SCOTTISH ENTAILS—Act [lO Geo. 3, c. 31] read ; Bill to amend ordered to be brought in. NAVIGATION BILL--Petition of Ship-owners of Liverpool, AGAINST, to be printed. RODIAN CATHOLIC PEERS BlLL—Petitions, AGAINST, to lie on the Table, and to be printed, viz.—from the inhabi tants of Congestone, and from the Mayor, Recorder, and others, of Can"terbury. PAVING, &c.—Sommers Town—reported ; to be ingrossed. Poon REMOVAL BlLL—Petition of Governors and Guardians of the Poor of Kingston-upon-Hull, against; to lie on the table. AGRICULTURAL DlSTRESS—Petitions from the Hundred of Freebridge Lynn, from Humbleyard,- and the Select Vestry of Mayfield (Sussex)—to be printed. SEDITIOUS MEETINGS AMENDMENT BlLL—read a third time, and passed. VAGRANT LAWS AMENDMENT BlLL—Report further con sidered; Bill re-committed; considered in Committee ; to be reported to-morrow (this day). ABSENTEES-Petition of Inhabitants a Somersetshire, pro- posing a Tax on Absentees ; to be printed. EXPLOYMENT OF THE POOR (IRELAND)-11111 ordered. REVENUE INQUIRY (IRELAND) BILL-" to extend the powers of the Commissioners appointed by an Act passed in the last Session of Parliament, for inquiring., into the col lection and management of the Revenue in Ireland," pre sented, and readl a first time; to be read a sec:md time on Monday, and to be rinted. PASSAGE VESSELS R EGULATION BILL—" to repeal the Laws regulating Vessels carrying Passengers from the United Kingdom, and to make other provisions in lieu thereof," presented, and read a first time, to be read a second time on Wednesday, and to be printed. ORDERS OF THE DAY for THIS DAY. 1. Colonial Trade Bill—Second Reading. 2. West India and American Trade Bill—Second Reading. 3. Capital Crimes Defence Bill—Second Reading. 4. Recognizances Bill—Committee. 5. Slave Trade Acts Consolidation Bill—Committee. 6. Manslaughter Bill—Committee. 7. Sup . erannuation Act Amendment Bill—Further considera tion of Report. 8. Scottish Commissary Courts Bill—Second Reading. - 9. Sheriffs Depute (Scotland) Bill—Second Reading. 19. Receivers General Bill—Further consideration :of Report. 11. Roman Catholic Peers Bill—Third Reading. 12. Supply—Committee. 13. Ways and Means—Committee. 14. Malt Duties Repeal (Ireland) Bill—Third Reading. 15. Vagrant Laws Amendment Bill—Report. 16. Distillery (Scotland) Act [1 Geo. 4, c. 74]—Committee thereupon. 17. Cacao Nutshells Act [4 Geo. 2, c. 141—Committee there upon. NOTICES OF MOTIONS for THIS DAY. 1. Mr. Sykes,—Repeal of the Duty on Tallow Candles. 2. Sir George Ilill,--Pommittee on the Linen Trade (Ireland). 3. Mr. Gouburn,—Committee to consider of advancing a sum of money for the Employment of the Poor in Ireland. PRIVATE BlLL—Second Reading for THIS DAY. Lincoln County Hall. LIVERPOOL JOINT STOCK BANK.—Our readers are already aware, that it is in the•contemplation of Govern ment to permit the formation, in this country, exceeding 65 miles from London, of Joint Stock Banks, on the principle of the Scotch Banking Companies. I n consequence of this permis sion, some of the principal merchants of this town have had two or three private meetings respecting the establishment of one of those banks here.—( Liverpool Advertiser.). The whole population of the United States, with the exception of a district in South Carolina, supposed to contain from 25 to 30,000, is 9,625,744.—( American Paper.) FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE. PARIS, MAY .14. --( Deputies Elected.)— De partment of Rhone, General the Count de Lapoype ; Haut Rhin, 'M. Voye'r d'Argenson ; Creuse, M. Mestadier ; Indre et Loiv, the qoutitl'Effiat. \ --)n Ttere has been tihturbarke at Lyons, inconsequence of the election of an ultra candi date, M. Delphin, instead of M. de Corcelles. The Gendarmerie was called in, but it is said that no violence was used, and that the people dispersed without resistance. NUREMBERG, MAY 9.—(Extract of a Private Letter.)—Persons who pretend to be well in formed now say that the Russian negociator, M. de Tatischef, came to Vienna to concert with the Austrian Cabinet the measures to be taken in the event of a war between Russia and the Porte, and to ascertain the part that Austria Would take in so important a conjuncture. M. de Tatischef com municated at the same time, in the frankest man ner, the policy of his 'Sovereign, as well as the principles by which his Imperial Majesty would be gUided in this war. It would seem as if the Cabinet of Vienna were extremely satisfied with the communica tions of the Russi - an Plenipotentiary, and that the negociation proceeded without the least difficulty. In quitting Vienna for Petersburgh, M. de Ta tischef was himself the bearer of the result of his conferences with the Prince de Metternich, and there is no doubt but the Emperor Alexander will ratify the stipulations agreed upon between these two Statesmen. Thus the report, which stated that the Russian Plenipotentiary was sent to Vienna, to wait thd issue of the negociations at Constantinople between the Ministers of Aus tria and England and the Divan, is void of all foundation. BRUSSELS, MAY 10.—(Extract of a Letter from Valenciennes, May B.)—Since the end of last month there has been a considerable move ment among the garrisons of the 16th Military Division. Two regiments of cavalry and in fantry, perfectly organized, have left them to re pair to tee interior of France, but. they have not been replaced by an equal number , of troops. — The Chasseurs on horseback, and the regiment of Light Infantry that were at Cambray, have marched away within these few days, and it is not known whether others have come in their room. If we may give credit to the reports in circulation, a part of these corps is to proceed to the Pyrenees, which gives rise to a multitude of conjectures, and is the subject of general conver sation. On the other hand, a great number of horses and men of the last levy are sent' succes sively to the several regiments of horse and foot which have not yet their full compliment. France is at length resolved to place its army on a re spectable footing. In the arduous circumstances in which Europe is placed, these measures are generally applauded. MAY Excellency . the Minister of Finance having recovered from his late indispo sition, the discussion of the project of law on the personal, tax is expected soon to commence in the second Chamber of the States General. Nineteen Members have set down their names to speak against the project, and we hear of only two who have announced their intention to sup port it. • CZERSOWITZ, APRIL 21.—The Turkish troops continue to become more numerous in Moldavia, and we learn that 30,000 men have advanced nearly to the Pruth. In the same manner the Turks continue to send troops to Servia as a check upon the inhabitants, in whom they have not much confidence. The Russian fleet in the Black Sea is well equipped and ready to put to sea. It is said that it will take on board a con siderable body of troops. 'A few weeks will make us acquainted with its destination, respect ing which there are at present various opinions. — . We learn from Belgrade that the Turkish Pacha, who commands in,tbat city, has requested permission to draw supplies from the Austrian territories, and he seems to have obtained it. VIENNA, MAY 2.—Most of the persons be longing to the extraordinary mission of M. de Tatischeff have remained here, and the Ambas sador himself is expected back in the course of this month. In general people seem fully per suaded that war will in no case he begun by the Turks, and_ that even on the part of Russia no hostilities will take place, so long as the nego ciations are not broken 'off with the mediating powers. It seems that the negociations may be considerably protracted, and perhaps we await the decision of a Congress to be assembled here ddring the summer. --Major-General Count Fiquelmont, our Ambassador td the King of the Two Sicilies, and Count VonSchladen, the Prus sian Ambassador to the Porte, have set out for Naples and Berlin. Vienna, May I.—The Metalliques are to-day at 74i ; Bank Shares, 663 9-10 ths.—lt is remarkable that the use in our funds coincides with the arrival of the post from Constantinople. May .2..—Metalliques, 74 7-16ths ; Bank Shares, 664 1-3 d. COURT OF KING'S BENCH.—(Tires DAY.) LIBEL ON HER LATE MAJESTY. THE KING V. SIIACKELL, WEAVER & ARROWSMTTH. The Court was crowded to excess, it being notified that sentence would be passed this day on the, defendants for a series of libels published in the " John Bull" Newspaper, in the months of February, March, April, and May, in 1821. Mr. DENMAN now rose and prayed for judgment. The defendant, Arrowsmith, put in two affi davits complaining of ill health, and that by his imprisonment being lengthened it might possibly endanger his life.—The other defendants said nothing. Mr. DENMAN, at great length and with consi derable force, animadverted upon the grossness of the libels, contending that the calculation of the defendants had been entirely gain, and that no characters, however pure and exalted, had been exempt from their attacks. Mr. BROUGHAM followed on the same side. The .CHIEF JUSTICE, after some consultation with the other Judges, ordered the defendantsto be brought up on the last day of Terin. *,,,* For Mr. PINSENT'S Letter Bill, see the 1 PRICE OF THIS DAY AT C Bank Stock 3391 340 I 3 per Cent. Red. 3 per Cent. Cons. '791,1 79,, 79 3i per Cent. 4 per Cent. t eld g , e - ;•"V :0 * •NA 5 per Cent. Navy Ann 102 5 z )er Cents. 1797 Bank Long Ann. 19i 15-16ths PRICE OF IRISI- Bank Stock "444 Gov. Deb. 3i per cent 9O Stoek.34 per ct. Gov. 'Deb. 4 per cent. Gov. Deb.: per cent Stock, 5 per cent. 2 t i Treasury Bills, 5 per cent. 'City Debentures, 5 per cent. Lying in Hospital 4 per ct. Exchange on Lond, HIGH WATER AT LONDO Morning, 24 minutes after .11 r, and the Corn Importation Fourth Page. STOCKS NE O'CLOCK. Imp. 3 per Vents. 77 Irish 5 per Cents. — India Stock ' India Uends 49s. 50s. Sotth Sta Excheq. Bills 1 dis. 2 pr. 1 dis. par Bank for Cons. Act. 2401 Cons. for Account 79ht I 1 I STOCK, MA y 14. Grand Canal Loan, 4 p.ct. —Ditto 6 per cent.... Dit to Stock Royal Canal Stock Wide-street Cert. 6 per ct. Do. Deb. with Gov. Sec.... Pipe Water Deb. 5 per ct. 1)o. Ballast Office Govt. Sec. 5 per cent. lon, May 13, 3a. 4 BRIDGE TO-MORROW Evening, 48 minutes after 11. THE SUN. SOLEM QUIS DICERE FALSUM AUDEAT LONDON, FRIDAY, MAY 17, 1822. We have received the Paris Papers of Tuesday, which contain some interesting intelligence rela tive to the Greeks. Admiral HALGAN has re turned to Toulon from Athens, whiCh he had left only three weeks before. At that period the Greeks were besieging the Acropolis, of which the Turks still retained possession, and it was feared that the shells of the besiegers would complete the ruin begun by the Venetians some centuries ago, and accomplish the total destruc tion of the Parthenon. Admiral HALGAN has brought with him to France the basso relievos which adorned the monument called the Lanthorn of Demosthenes. An article from Leghorn, of the 20th, states, on the authority of a letter from Greece, that the Greeks have opened two loans on the secu rity of the lands lately belonging to the Turks, which have been confiscated, and that moreover sales of national property have been determined on, to meet the extraordinary expences of the ensuing year. The vigour and perseverance displayed by the Greeks in establishing their in dependence is highly gratifying, and holds out the prospect of ultimate success. The letter from Greece, above alluded to t after giving some details respecting the ner territorial division of the parts of Greece deli iered from the Ottoman yoke, furnishes the fol lowing intelligence : " The Executive Power has been compelled to announce two voluntary loans, and the activity shewn in subscribing W fill the m will prove thwmount of the confidence which it enjoys. The first loan which has been opened is for 5,000,000 piastres divided into small sums. The interest is to be 8 per cent. per annu m ' payable half yearly, and secured by a mortgage upon the do mains of the State, the greater and the best part of the lands which belonged to the Turks having been confiscated for the profit of the State after the destruction or flight of the enemy As this loan, divided into small sums, cannot from its natur e be very speedily filled, a second has been opened for 2,000,000 piastres, divided into shares of 100, 75, 50, and 25,000 piastre'- At the same time the patriotism of the Greeks has been e xcited to make voluntary donations. " It is stated that the extraordinary expences for the en suing year will amount to upwards of 10,000,000 piastres,whie l must be covered by loans, and the sale of State domains, for no authority has been yet established for the levying of regular im posts, and it is not to be expected that order can be establishe d before the end of the year. The Greek States owe to the aeti' vity and knowledge of their new President the success of their enierprizes. By his personal consideration and his presence a t Hydra, he hastened the fitting out of the Greek fleet, which , as all the accounts state, has so completely defeated and dis persed the fleet of the enemy, that it will not probably attemp t to re-appear in the Egean Sea. By land they have recently obtained two victories, one in Eubea, whete they took Karl'' stos, and the other at Spercliios, where the Turkish Com mandant, Mehemed Pacha, was killed. It was in consequen ce of the last victory that the insurrection spread in Thessaly a nd Macedonia. " If the accounts which we have are confirmed, the Turkish plan of campaign for the Peloponnesus is completely derange d ; for, at the same moment that their fleet disembarked troops a t Lepanto and at Patras, Chourschid Pacha was to have ad vanced from Albania, and the Pacha of Salonica to pass Tiler' mopyhe, but the fleet has been defeated, the enemy is attacked at Salonica by land and sea, and the Greeks have prevente d Chourschid Pacha from moving, by reinforcing, with the e° l9 of Colochoone, the Albanians and the Souliotes who are op posed to him." The Moniteur of Monday contained a R 9 931 Ordonnance, erasing the name of Baron Louis , one of the ExLMinisters, from the list' of Mini" sters of State (Ministers out of office,' .but re, taming the title, with a pension of 200 francs), on account 'of some disturbances r" ported to have taken place in .his Depart: ment, at which he was present. It apPea rs by an article in Tuesday's C ons titutione l, that Baron Louis was erased from the Ilst, ° f Ministers of State, because at the late election he and several others had insisted on the righ_t . of the Electors to see that the b a ll o t shoul d be executed fairly, and faithfully reported' ; This claim was allowed, and the Pre sider '. of h said, t e w Co s 1 o l e r d g e e rmal disturbed no fora complaint, moment i eirlu,tittbies, Prefe B tatle( sated gate! Such i giVE ° bseri We c the sa truss, rived 7th tents Our p An it iliCatl 2 5th OR pi Sgtio vai en th e 1.1 S CUr Senol tilat state t ° b( lato, confi Lit rziorro motor th, e , .rherc tAken / (2 °loll Very ruin In I ( lux Me