The Sun. — London, England, 1853-05-13 00:00:00

Ll{~,. SHARE MARKETS.--(THIS DAY.) BRITISH RAILWAYS. II RAILWAYS. losing Prices Yesterday. Bas'ness done this day. Slar. I Pa id Aberdeen ..... 84 Ambg. Noiing. Bost & Eastn. June. 11 Birmng. Wolveria. dry Stour Valley 3 Birkenhd. Lancsh. & Cheshire Junct 11 Do. Chesil. dr Birk., £25 .8 Do., £20..... Cana I Bristol dr Exeter.— 10 C aledonian........ 11 Chester dr Holyhead 11 Cork and Bandon 11 Cork, Black. & Pass 5 Dublin&BelfastJunc a Dundee Perth &Aber deen Junction 11 Do. New . al East Anglian (£25 L & E. & L. dr D.) 11 Do., (ClB E. dz H.) al Eastern Counties Z Eastern Union, Class A. late 8 Do. do. E. U. 5h.... 11 Do. i , .. B. & c ........... 0 East Lancashire 1 1 East & West Ind. Dk & Binning. June ) Edinburgh & Glasgow Edinb. and Peebles E dinb.Prth.&Dunde c Glasgow & S. Western Great Northern Stk De., A. Stock Do., B. Stock ]t. Sth.&West.(lrc.)! Jreat [llea South-Eastern. .1 Lancaster dr Carlisle.. IO 1 Do., Thirds.... .. . .... . Lanca.sh. &Yorkshire .5 Do., Fifths no., Wst. 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LONDON, May 13.—Wind this day at Noon, S.E. ; light breeze and dull hazy weather. DOVER, May 13.—The Bageda, Folkstone for Fors ground, is leaky, having been aground. _ _ - DARTMOUTH; May - V.—Wind, N.E. Sailed—Ana, Ha,vannah. POOLE, May 12.—Wind, N.W. Sailed—Nymph, Prince Eugene, Alamode, and Albion, Newfoundland. fOWESTOFFE, kap 12.—1 t is currently reported here that some accident has happened to the Lady Berriedale (s), of London, near Sunderland hu•bour. SUNDERLAND, May 12.—Wind, N.E. Sailed—War wick, Quebec. _ _ _ SHIELDS, May 12.—Wind, E. Sailed—Regent, Sydney, QUEENSTOWN, May 11.—Wind, S. Arrived—Edwin, New York. Off Port—Columbus, Mauritius. OFF HOLYHEAD.—Mary Jane, or Sarah Jane, Val paraiso. _ DOUGLAS (Isle of Man), May 12.—The Vigilant, Port Madoc to Aberdeen, has stern-post started, and other damage, having been on the rocks. CORK, May 11.—Wind, E. Sailed—Waterlily, Mazagan. LIMERICK, May 11.—Sailed—Quebec Packet, Quebec. HELVAET, May 10.—The Richard Anderson, Baltimore to this port, was in contact with the Thetis, from Messina, and did her considerable damage. YSTADT, May 2.—The Hoffnung, of Rageng-alde, Dantzio to Queenstown, has put in with damage, and leaky, having been on shore. MARRRT NEWS-(THIS DAY.) CORN EXCHANGE. During the present week, and fresh up to this morning's market, the arrivals of English wheat, coastwise and by land carriage, have been on a very moderate scale. The show of samples of both red and white here to-day, was consequently limited, and, we may add, out of condition ; nevertheless, the demand for all kinds was in a very inac tive state, at Monday's decline in the quotations. Scarcely any business was transacted for forward delivery. Upwards of 26,000 quarters of foreign wheat havo ar rived this week, chiefly from the westward. All kinds met a dull inquiry at barely previous currencies. Floating cargoes, though offered on easier terms, were quite neg lected. We were very scantily supplied with home-grown barley ; but the supply of foreign was extensive. All kinds wore very dull, and the turn lower. _ _ Malt—the show of which was good—sold heavily, at late figures. - The oat trade was dull, owing to the large imports, and prices were with difficulty supported. Beans, peas, and flour were unaltered in value. ARRIVALS THIS WEER. Wheat. Barley. I \ alt. Oats. Flour. 2,070 640 3,140 2,310 1,640 7,780 26,430 7,350 20,690 7,700 ak a English .. Irish •• • • Foreign .. SMITHFIELD. To-day's market was but moderately supplied with beasts as to number, whilst their general quality was in ferior. The few prime Soots on offer changed hands steadily, at, in most instances, an advance in the quotations of 2d per 81bs, and the value of other breeds was well sup ported. The supply of sheep was seasonably good, yet the mutton trade ruled firm, at fully Monday's prices. The primest old Downs, in the wool, sold at 5s 4d—out of the wool, 4s 4d to 4s 8d per 81bs. Lambs, the number of which was not large, changed hands steadily, at full currencies ; 400 came to hand from the Isle of Wight. The veal trade was brisk, at a further rise in prices of 2d per Sibs. The primest calves were worth 5s per 81bs. Pigs sold slowly, on former terms. Mich cows were firm, at from 151 to 20/ each, including their small ma. Per Blbs to sink the offals. s. d. s. d. Inferior Beasts ...3 oto 3 2 Second quality ...3 4 3 6 Prime large oxen 3 8 310 Prime Scots, dm. 4 . 0 4 4 Inferior sheep ...4 0 4 2 Second quality ...4 4 4 8 Prime crse.-wlled.4 10 5 0 Lambs TOTAL SUPPLY. s. d. e. d. Prime Southdown 5 2 5 4 Large crse. calves 310 4 6 Prime small do 4 8 5 0 Large hogs 3 2 3 8 Small porkers 310 4 4 Suckling calves 20 0 26 0 Quarter old pigs 19 0 24 0 5s Od to 6s Od. BeasLs Sheep and Lambs 8,300 Calves Pigs 340 NEWGATE AND Generally speaking, the tra prices. - _ FOREIGN SUPPLY. Beasts 264 Sheep B6O Calves 2OO Pigs — LEAD ENHALL. de ruled steady, at very full _ Per 81bs by B. d. s. d. s. d. S. d. Beef, inferior 262 10 Mutton, Inferior 36 3 8 Do.,middling 3 0 3 2 Do.,middling 310 4 2 Do., prime large 3 2 3 4 Do., prime 4 4 4 11 Do., do. small —.3 6 3 8 Veal 3 8 4 10 Pork, large the carcase. Lambs 10d to 6s 2d. BOROUGH HOP. We have only a limited inquiry for all kinds of hops, the supply of which is small, yet prices are mostly supported. Mid and East Kent pockets, 120 s. to 160 s. ; Weald of Kent, 110 s. to 1265. ; and Sussex, 105 s to 120 s per cwt. COLONIAL, SUGAR.—The demand for British Plantation has im proved this week, and prices have become firmer. At auction crystalised Demerara realised 35s to 38s 6d for low to good greyish, and 348 to 34s Gd for mid to good brown. REFINED has been in good request, at advanced rates. Low to fine grocery lumps, 47s to 49s 6d. EAST INDlA.—Mauritius has been in active request, and at very full rates. Publicly several thousand bags realised 37s to 38s 6d for fine yellow, 35s to 36s 6d for common to good, 30s to 34s Gd for brown, 28s to 29s for very ord, 33s to 38s for refining low to fine, and 40s to 41s for ord to mid white ditto. Bengal has been been in moderate request ; ord to fine while Benares at 36s to 395, fine and superior grainy yellow at 39s to 40s, mid to good at 37s to 38s 6d. Madras has been sold at 29s Gd to 30s Gd for low to good soft yellow. FOREIGN has been firmly supported, with a good inquiry for exportation. Porto Rico by auction, sold briskly at higher prices, v i z ., 40 s 6d to' 41s 6d for fine, and 38s to 395 6d for mid and good low, and 36s 6d to 37s 6d per cwt. COFFEE.—This article has been extremely dull, and buyers still hold back. Native Ceylon of the new import has been at 46s Gd. Plantation has been sold at 55s to 61s for low mid and mid, at 52s for fine ord, and at 503 to 51s for triage. Some peaberry went at 65s 6d. Mocha has declined is to 2s—mid greenish and yellowish having been sold at 65s 6d to 70s, triage a t 44 s to 55s blacks at 30s, and peaberry at 67s to 67s 6d. Privately a large parcel of Rio has been sold, and by auction a few bags of Brazil went at 43s to 45s 6d for good ord pale. Jamaica was taken in at 56s for low mid. SPlCES.—Pimento has been rather dull ; coarse to mid has been sold at 5d to 6d. Ginger isjwanted. ; Jamaica went at 45s to 112 s for small and dark to good. White pepper has been firm ; Singapore mid has been sold at 94d. SALTPETRE.—BengaI has been taken in at 29s for 2i to 14 per cent. refraction. COTTON.—There has been more business doing, a n d holders ask higher rates. Rust.—This article is steady. TEA.—Owing to the advices from China, an advance of ,d per lb. is quoted this week, but buyers have not come forward freely as yet. INDIGO.—Up to last evening 5,945 chests had passed, of which 1,361 sold. Good and fine Bengal was rather firmer; but Madras and Kurpah of the same quality were cheaper, as well as the lower kinds of Bengal. TALLOW.—The market is quieter. P.Y.C. is 475. per cwt. on the spot. GREEN FRUlT.—Prices of all kinds are well supported, the backward state of our own vegetation causing an addi tional demand for foreign fruit. Some parcels of oranges from St. Michael and Lisbon having been sold by Keeling and Hunt at public sale went at an advance of 2s. to 3s. per box. Lemons are a shade lower, the cold weather being against the use of the articles by the confectioners. Nuts without alteration. Three cargoes of Barcelona have arrived, and been housed in boil4l, to await the reauetion of duty. 68 i 24 89 84 54i In 91# 9O 79 3 i 3 pm 104 i 118 i 14i 904 90 74 . 1 52 i P 3 d 38 36 5i 75 if 37 Psi li Pa 115 2G 6 104 IMPERIA HOUSE OF LORDS-(YESTERDAY.) The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the woo sack at five o'clock. COASTING TRADE. The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH presented petitions from Hartlepool and Sunderland against the admission of foreigners into the coasting service. The noble earl called attention to certain returns, recently laid before the house, which showed that while there was a diminu tion of 2,412 seamen in the coasting trade, there had been an increase of 17,817 in the foreign trade. (Hear, hear.) This was a very remarkable state ment, but he apprehended that the returns with regard to the foreign service were incorrect, and he supposed they included emigrants and passengers who had worked their passage out. He thought, under these circum stances, it was desirable that it should be ascertained how many who went out in vessels in the foreign trade returned again to this country. He trusted the Govern ment would make some inquiry into the subject. Lord STANLEY of ALDERLEY admitted there was a discrepancy between the returns, and no doubt the noble earl had given the correct interpretation of them. He should make the inquiry which the noble earl had suggested. DOCKYARD INQUIRY COMMITTEE. _ _ On the motion of Lord REDESDALE, the Earl of Derby was permitted to attend as a witness before the Dockyard Inquiry Committee before the House of Com mons. COUNTY COURTS. BURDENS ON REAL PROPERTY. ' The Earl of MALMESBURY presented a petition from Christchurch, for the revision of the poor laws, complaining of undue burdens on real property, and praying for an alteration in the law of settlement. He did not think that any subject discussed of late years surpassed this in importance, especially at a period when all statesmen seemed occupied with the laudable endea vour to adjust our taxation, and make the pressure as equable as possible on all classes. The parish from which this petition proceeded was a large one, and the petitioners had in reality to pay another income tax on their real property, because they had to pay a poundage on the rental they derived from their property. That income tax varied from 10 to 15 per cent. on the annual value of the property ; in some parishes it had been as much as 80 per cent. It should be remembered that real property paid five millions a year for the maintenance of the poor, and paid it in a most anomalous manner, some parishes being taxed 80 per cent., and others only one per cent. While a millionaire paid nothing on his funded property, a man with a small cabbage garden was compelled to p a y f rom 10 t o 80 per eel - li. on his patch of land. The subject had been discussed in both houses with great ability, and in 1850 a committee of their lordships' house had been appointed. He took an active part in that committee on behalf of real property ; another noble lord had defended as ably what he con sidered the rights of personal property; the noble baron opposite (Lord Overstone) might be considered to have been the representative of the auriferous interest. (A laugh.) He wished to ask the noble lord at the head of the Government whether it was his intention to bring forward any measure this sesion to reform the present poor-law, or the law affecting the removal of paupers!; and further, if the proposed succession duties on real property should become the law of the land, he intended to relieve real property from any portion of the burden of about five millions, which it now exclusively paid for the support of the poor ? The Earl of ABERDEEN was understood to say that it was not intended to transfer any burdens from per sonal to real property. In answer to the question of the noble lord, he had to state that the business before the other House of Parliament was such that it would not be possible to bring forward a measure of this exten sive and important description with any reasonable hope of carrying it this session. And if such a measure were introduced and laid on the table, without a reasonable hope of its being carried, it would be attended with very mischievous effects on the country, with respect to the duties to be imposed on successions, he would recom mend the noble earl first to understand the subject a little better, and in order to do so, to wait till he saw the resolutions. To say that poor-rate to the amount of five millions was paid by real property was a mere fiction of the noble lord's imagination ; perhaps one-fourth of that would be nearer the truth. (Hear, hear.) It was impossible for him to give any further answer to the noble earl's question. Lord OVERSTONE said that no subject could exceed this, either in importance or in delicacy. He could wish that the noble lord who presided over the committee of 1850 had been present to defend its proceedings and to justify its report. He had taken some part in that com mittee, and had opposed some of the views of the noble ear: But the question was one of great delicacy, be cause it involved the most difficult of all questions—the adjustment and equilibrium of taxation. A desire had been expressed in some quarters to assess moveable pro perty, and to render it contributory to the poor rates ; but the evidence taken before that committee showed the great necessity of moving with circumspection, for it was pre-eminently a question in which it might be said— Fools rush In where angels fear to tread. (Hear, hear.) The more the ultimate consequences of such theories were traced out, the more mischievous would they be found to be. The Earl of DERBY said he could not help thinking that there was some confusion in the mind of the noble lord between real and landed property. If the noble lord meant to refer to the rates levied only upon land, he quite concurred in his statement ; but he was quite in error in saying that a very large portion of the rates did not fall upon real but upon personal property. Lord OVERSTONE did not say personal property. The Earl of DERBY—But the noble lord said that a large portion did not fall upon real property, and he (Lord Derby) did not know any distinction except be tween real and personal property ; so that if a large portion did not fall upon real property it must fall upon personal property. Lord 0 VERSTONE explained that what he had said was that a large portion of the poor rate fell upon what could hardly be called real property, by which lie meant landed property, but upon houses and places of business. The Earl of DERBY said that the discussion had not arisen at all upon the distinction between landed and other property, but upon real and personal property. it arose out of the proposition which they understood had been submitted to Parliament, by which a new and a very heavy tax would be imposed upon successions to real property—property which was now exempt from the legacy duty, but upon which burdens of a dispro portionate amount had been laid for other purposes. After a few remarks from several noble lords, the subject then dropped. THE CLITHEROE ELECTION CASE. Lord BEAUMONT drew the attention of the house to the fact that the house had sent no answer to the appli cation of the other house to concur in a joint address to the Crown, praying her Majesty to appoint a com mission to inquire into the state of this borough. As the case might arise over and over again, it was highly desirable that the house should adopt some definite course which might serve as a precedent. If no one else made the motion it was the business of the Government to see that some answer should be re turned to the House of Commons. The Earl of ABERDEEN said he was very glad the noble lord had brought this subject before the house, as he thought it was proper the house should come to a decision upon it. Some time ago a noble and learned lord asked him what was his intention with regard to this address, and he told him in answer that although he had moved that their lordships should agree with other similar addresses which had been sent up from the House of Commons, it was not his intention to make any such motion with regard to this address ; but that of course it was competent for any other noble lord who thought proper to make such a motion. If he recollected aright his noble and learned friend gave some sort of intima tion of such an intention, but he supposed he must have been mistaken. A t all events it was competent for him or any other noble lord to make the motion, and that not having been done, he concluded that it was not the wish or intention of any noble lord to take such a step, and he, therefore, felt it incumbent on him to propose a course for their lordships to adopt with reference to this matter. Assuming, as he did, that their lordships were disposed to agree in not adopting the address of the House of Commons, it was necessary to consider what was the proper and suitable course to take. The best course to take, he thought, would be to move that the address be taken into consideration that day six mouths. Lord ST. LEONARDS made some observations which did not reach the gallery, as to the jurisdiction of the county courts in bankruptcy, and in reference to the commission which was to be appointed on the subject. The LORD CHANCELLOR said his earnest atten tion should be given to the subject during the recess. Lord CAMPBELL expressed his satisfaction at that statement of the noble and learned lord. Lord BROUGHAM was glad to hear that the Go vernment intended to issue a commission, and he hoped the subject would be fully and satisfactorily considered. EXCHEQUER BILLS BILL. The Exchequer Bills Bill, after a few observations from Lord ST. LEONARDS, was read a second time, and the standing orders having been suspended, it was read a third time and passed. COUNTY ELECTIONS POLLS (SCOTLAND) BILL. This bill was read a second time. CHIMNEY SWEEPERS' REGULATION BILL. On the motion for the second reading of this bill, The Earl of CLANCARTY ',Tasted the house would not be precipitate in passing the bill. He thought that some inquiry should be instituted to ascertain, before the bill became law, whether it would not give rise to some inconvenience and hardship. The Earl of WICKLOW also opposed the bill, which he thought, if passed, would only encumber the statute book. He moved that the bill be read a second time that day six months. The Earl of SHAFTESBURY said he had brought in the bill far the purpose of extending the pro visions of the act, which now only applied to the metropolis, to the country generally. He also proposed, in order to prevent the evasions to which that act now gave rise, to include under its pro visions young persons under 16 years of age, who assisted chimney sweepers, as well as apprentices. The present bill was so simple that he did not art - lcipate any opposi tion would be offered to it, and he had not come forti fied with papers to show its absolute necessity, but he as sured their lordships that they could form no notion of the physical and moral evils which were now inflicted on a numerous and helpless class of the community in conse quence of the existing state of the law. Lord ST. LEONARDS supported the bill. The amendment was then withdrawn, and the bill was read a second time. 'TIE SUN, LONDON, PRIDAVI EVENING, MAY 13, 185 3, NIENT, That was the course they pursued with regard to all hills sent up from the other house, and which they were not disposed to pass, and the House of Commons had disco vered what their lordships had done by searching the records of their proceedings. That was considered the most corteous mode of proceeding towards the other house, because he believed in former times they did not move the postponement of the reading of a bill for six months, but they rejected it absolutely; and it was in consequence of its being considered a more courteous proceeding towards the other house that they had adopted the mode now usually followed. He moved that a message be sent to the House of Commons, ac quainting them that this house, having considered the report of the select committee of the House of Commons appointed to consider a petition complaining of an undue election for the borough of Clitheroe, and the minutes of evidence taken before it, do not think it expedient to concur in an address to her Majesty praying for an inquiry. The motion was agreed to. BOROUGH OF MLDON. Lord ST. LEONARD'S asked the Earl of Aberdeen what was the intention of Government with regard to the address for an inquiry respecting the borough of Maldon. fore the diiision on the Derby Budget, he met the hon. member for Wells on the steps of the Reform Club, and that hon. gentleman asked him how he was going to vote. (A laugh.) His reply was that he had never given a Tory vote since he had been in Parlia ment, and he was not going to begin now--(a, laugh)-- but, at the sam e ti me , h e added that the Irish party would be very much influenced in the course they would take by the intentions of the new Government with re gard to the income tax, and the hon. gentleman referred him to the speech of the right honourable gentleman the member for Halifax, in which the right hon. gentleman stated that Ireland was in by far too exhausted a state to bear an income tax, and the im pression which this reference produced was that the Whig party were not favourable to the extension of the income tax to Ireland. Accordingly, when he went to the meeting of Irish members he stated as much, and also that he had it upon the authority of the right hon. gen tleman the member for Wells, that the r i g h t hon. gentleman the mem b er f or Halifax was of the same opinion still. (Hear.) Mr. HAYTER could not charge his memory with what had passed, but no doubt what was now stated was perfectly correct in the main. It was hardly likely, however, that he could disclose what were the then opinions of the right hon. gentleman the member for Halifax, and in so far as that part of the statement was concerned he could not assent to it. (Hear.) Sir C. WOOD had made no statement to his hon. friend that lie was aware of, but still he had no hesita tion in declaring that he had made the speech which had been referred to. (Hear.) Mr. MALINS was glad this explanation had been made, and he hoped it would be a warning to hon. mem bers in future not to make statements of alleged facts affecting personal character unless they were thoroughly convinced of their accuracy. (Hear.) Now, he remembered distinctly that the hon. and gallant member for Westmeath stated, on Friday night, that before the division in December last, an accredited agent from the Whig and Peel parties waited upon the Irish members, and stated that if the Irish members would assist in turning out the Derby Government there would be no income tax imposed upon Ireland. It now turned out that this was not so, and the only authority upon which the agency was supposed to arise was a loose con versation in the lobby of the House of Commons or upon the steps of the Reform Club. (Hear, hear.) The hon. member for Westmeath should have been more cautious in the statement he had made. (Hear.) Mr. MAGAN supposed the hon. and learned gentle man meant to convey that he (Mr. Magan) had stated that which was not true. Now he did not say the party who made the statement to the Irish members was "the accredited agent," but was considered as an accre dited agent of the Whig and Peel party. He had a right to consider a:member in any light he pleased—(a laugh) —and he certainly did look upon the gentleman who conveyed the statement to the Irish members as an accredited agent, as he now looked upon the honour able and learned member as an accredited agent of Lord Derby. (A laugh.) The whole speech of the hon. and learned gentleman was both malicious and untrue. (Order, order.) The SPEAKER said the hon. member must be aware that such language was out of order. (Hear, hear.) Mr. MAGAN had no objection to withdraw the words if they were unparliamentary. (Cheers.) Mr. BOWER was present at the Irish meeting, and he had certainly no recollection of the statement hav ing been made upon authority. Mr. LUCAS, on the other hand, who was also pre sent at the meeting, declared that the gentleman who made the statement professed to make it upon the authority of a leading member of the Whig party. The gentleman who made the statement was the hon. member for Tralee, and what tended to confirm it was the speech of the right hon. gentleman the member for Halifax delivered a few days afterwards, in which the right honourable gentl eman warned the Irish party to be on their guard, and not allow the thin end of the income tax wedge to be got into Ireland. (Hear, hear.) Mr. M. O'CONNELL denied that he had professed to make the statement on authority. (Hear, hear.) Mr. SCULLY was also under the impression that the statement was not made on authority, and to prove this he need only state that the meeting came to a resolution to support the Tories in office. (Hear, and a laugh.) Sir R. INGLIS hoped that the good sense and feel ing of the house, considering the mass of public business before it, would agree that sufficient space had been allowed to hon. gentlemen to set themselves right in the judgment of each other and of the house, and that they might at last be permitted to resume the business for which they were sent there. (Hear.) He would cau tiously abstain from any one word that could give of fence to either side, but respectfully submitted t o th em all that there had been enough—perhaps more than enough—(hear)—of these discussions. He had thought, when the Speaker called upon the Sergeant -at Arms to introduce the messenger from the other house, that it would have put an end to all unnecessary discussion. (Hear.) The subject then dropped. THE BUDGET-RESUMED DEBATE. The house then went into Committee of Ways and Means. The CHAIRMAN read the resolutions. On the second resolution, " And for and in respect of the occupation of such lands, tenements, or hereditaments (other than a dwelling-house occupied by a tenant distinct from a farm of lands), for every 20s. of the annual value thereof, one moiety of each of the said sums of 7d., (Id., and 5d., for the above-named times respectively,' Mr. VANSITTART moved, as an amendment, the omis sion of the word " moiety" and the insertion of the words " third part ;" and urged in support of it, that the late Sir Robert Peel had thought it necessary, when he introduced the income tax in 1842, to reduce the assessment of the farmers from three-quar :.ers to one-half the rental, and that the causes which induced him to do so existed to a greater degree now than ever before. No person could question the fact, that the profits upon land were much smaller than they formerly were, and that they were certainly not greater in England than in Scotland and Ireland. To place the farmers of the United Kingdom on a footing of equality was a measure of justice which ought to be con ceded. In conclusion, the hon. gentleman stated, that in proposing this amendment he had no R:sh whatever to in terfere with the conducting of the public business by the Government. This was no pai ty question, nor had he treated it as such, although it was his misfortune to sit on the Opposition side of the house. He hoped the grounds he had assigned would induce the house to consider the proposition he had now made to be just and fair. He thought it would be far better for the right hon. gentleman to allow his scheme of finance to have such qualifications applied to it as justice and equity demanded, than to resist all appeals and to determine on carving it through as a stereotyped plan. (Cheers.) The Earl of ABERDEEN said he had read the evi dence in regard to all the other cases in which he had moved for address, but he had no t rea d th e ev id ence i n this case yet, and he could not therefore at present an swer the question. Their lordships then adjourned at half-past seven o'clock. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER had listened with great satisfacti ma, so far as the hon. gentleman was personally concerned, to the very intelligent statement he had made. (Hear, hear.) Ho did not like the whole of the honourable gentleman's case, but he did not think any gentleman could have stated that case with more ability. (Hear, hear.) He assured the hon. gentleman he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) had not the slightest in tention of making any charge against him for not going on with h;s amendment on a former night. But it was the duty of the Government to press forward measures affect ing the public interest, as it was the duty of hon. members to see what it was they had in justice to propose. He (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) was very glad to hear the hon. gentleman refer to the succession or legacy duty, be cause he hoped the committee would soon arrive at the dis cussion of that question. He world not expend the time of the committee by noticing the remarks which the hon. gentleman had made upon his (the Chancellor of the Ex chequer's) conduct in imposing various taxes upon the farmers, notwithstanding the comments he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) had made upon the taxes intended to be put upon them by the right hon. gentleman opposite (Mr. Disraeli) in December last. But the taxes which fell upon yeomen —men who cultivated their own land —were not peculiar to that class of persons ; they applied to all other owners of land. It should be borne in mind, however, that there was no house tax upon them (as was the cas e with the budget of December last), and that there was no income tax put upon them where their income was under 1001. a-year. It was true the yeoman would be subject to the succession tax, but in that case he would pay it in common with the entire community. However, let that pass. The subject would come for discussion in its turn. He entirely agreed with the hon. gentleman that this was no party question. There was no class whose claims he would more regret to disappoint than the farmers'. But, in the first place, the committee must recollect that, since the repeal of the corn laws, the income tax had been several times renewed. In 1848 it was renewed, prices having already become low, and with every prospect of their becoming lower. In 1851 the mcome tax was again renewed, with prices exceedingly low. But, notwithstanding the low state of prices at that period, the farmers not only accepted. but accepted with out inconvenience, the proposition of the right hon. gentle man the member for Halifax (Sir C. Wood), who, by a clause to which he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) would presently refer, put the farmers on a more favourable foot ing than any other class. Indeed, no class stood upon so favourable a footing as the farmer. That, he thought, was a very strong reason against renewing such a proceeding of exceptional legislation in favour of the farmer. As to the proposition that the English farmers should be placed on the same footing, for this purpose, with the Scotch and Irish farmers, the only result of this would be, that the Scotch and Irish farmers would immediately, and reasonably enough, demand that further concessions should be made in their favour, so as still to place them in the same relative position, with respect to the English farmers, that their comparative disadvantages required. The hon. gentleman wished to snake it an argument against the Government measure, that the reduction of rents in England had not been adequate to the diminution of the farners' profits occasioned by recent legislation. Assuming this to be the case, it was no argument against the Government plan, but simply a lively and useful suggestion to the landlords to let their rents fall a little more quickly and effectually than they had fallen—(a laugh)—at all events, however small the reduction of rents might have been in England, he begged to remind the hon. gentleman that the reduction had been still less in Scotland. But legislation upon the income tax, or upon any other subject, ought not to be based upon any such grounds. The business of legislation herein vas to proceed upon the principle that farming was an occupation, as other occupations, which must be left to find its level under the influence of competition between man and man. They bad no right to assume that the profits of the farmer were different now from what• they used to be. They must, in considering these points, investigate, not the prices of commodities merely, but the quantities produced, the quality, the cheapness of production, the application of machinery, the greater economy of the various processes of farming, the extension of drainage, and so on. (Hear, hear.) But the main thing to be kept in mind was, that they had already made provision for the case of the farmer. They had not, indeed, said to him, " Go into schedule D, if you please," for they had considered that the inquisition 1 into his affairs, in that case necessitated, would not be make any general statement on the subject, because, if so, agreeable to him, but th e y h a d g i ven hi m th e means of it might be advisable that the committee should hear him averting an unfair assessment. Ho might here remark that before they proceeded to cons id er th at amendment. the hon. gentl eman h a d ma d e a ser i ous error in his calcn- i The CHANCELLOR he EXCHEQUER said—l lations of the profits of the farmer. The hon. member did , not regard the maintenance of the farmer's family, the ex- • entirely concur a tne suggests. _ _f the right hon, gentle penses of his living, as any element in his calculations— ! man. I also feel the great importance of the question, (hear)—and, for that matter, the farmers seem much dis- i and, considerin g that I have only had an opportunity of posed to take the same view, and to regard the expense of I ; adverting to it on one single occasion, and that necessarily their maintenance as part of the expense of their farming, and as not entering into the question of profits, which was in , conjunction with a grea t man y o th er highly important a fa ll acy not t o be admitted. Where, however, the far- subjects, it is prob a bl e th a t I h ave not been able so success mer's profit s were less than a moiety of his rent, it was not fully as might have been desired to place the propositions proposed arbitrarily to enforce assessment as upon a moiety; of the Government clearly and fairly before the commit for it wovld be competent in a farmer who at the end of tee. lam therefore obliged to the right hon. gentleman the year found himself so situated, to' go before commis- sioners—not G overnment commissioners but local commis for his suggestion—and, I may say , th a t I h a d proposed sinners —and, if h e cou ld make out his to have any rising when you sir, h a d rea d th e reso l u ti on, to state the excess of asse ssment allowed him in his pea:moat of the tax. Th e h on. gentleman objected to this, that farmers views of the Government with res p ec t t o it . (H ear.) In did not keep accounts. There mi ht no doubt be many the first place, I wish to c a ll th e a tt en ti on o f th e tom small farm ers w h o did not keep accounts but ' he confi- mitten to the limitation of the p ro p os iti on as it s t ands dently beli eve d th at the great bulk of those who would before us. There is an immense number —at least counts. M os t assuredly this was the case, he might almost p and very come withi n th e operation of the measure did keep ac- there is a considerable number of points of, great ins say univ ersa ll y, with the farmers in the north aEngland ortanee serious difficulty, w hi c h we s h a ll and in S co tl and. There was, however, one fact alone de rnonstra.tive that th e pro fi ts of the farmer were not so small . have to examine when we come to th e d e t a il s o f t h e q uestion . (Hear, hear.) But most of these poi n t s l am - amount of relief from assessment claimed by the tenant as was stated, and this was that in the past year the whole anxious at present, in some degree, to keep out of view ; ofafri3n3eo7ooofoiE.,ngwlaana dbaentad,eoSenotsl7oooll.l,i.upaound a 6, to o _ ot3ail. aosnselyss;ntehnet themb ec au because, y ha p d oesible to consider ostler their eyes until in the t'e whole amount of relief actually granted being 3,419/. committee shall s i h t a i li s h h a a r v s e ll the precise form in which the proposition of the Govern (Hear, hear.) This fact, he would repeat, demonstratively went will be ultimately clothed ; and because, in the second proved that the farmers, as a body, had no case to show place, the general principles which are involved in that pro that their profits, including, of course, the cost of the main- Position are of themselves so exceedingly important that tenance of their families, ' did not represent fully one-half they deserve the undivided and exclusive attention of the of their rent. (Hear, hear.) committee. (Hear, hear.) It is most desirable, that Sir F. KELLY maintained that by the admission of th e we should, in the first instance, fix our undivided and closest Chancellor of the Exchequer, land was taxed snore heavily attention on the principles which are involved in this mea than other property, and he complained that, in addition, sure, and that our vote upon the measure in the first in its pressure upon the farmers was uncertain and unjust. stance should be strictly a vote on its principle, before we He ridiculed the arguments of the Government, who, h e come to consider the multitude of serious but still minor said, admitted every separate portion of their measure to and subordinate questions which we shall have to examine be unjust, but maintained that it was quite equitable as a and dispose of in going through the details of the proposi whole. He described the peculiar burdens which he con- tion. (Hear, hear.) The proposition, as it stands before ceived to press with undue severity upon the farmers, and the committee, is as follows : " That, towards raising the sought for them, at any rate, some relief from the peculiar supply granted to her Majesty, the stamp duties payable injustice of the tax in question. by law upon or for, or in respect of legacies, shall be granted I made Mr. BRIGHT described Sir Fitzroy as having been ' payable upon and for every succession to the speaking on a " Suffolk brief," and told him that he was the benefici al secs pt tenj7ment of any real or personal estate, or to badly advised as to his facts. With regard to the amend- : snco il'p ro o fit r t i lo po o r i tio t i h i at or additional portion of the" meet, he urged the gross injustice of proposing to tax the consequence off the thereof of maytakelaee upon, or in opulent farmer, who very often kept a carriage (with more title, whether ixsting or future,a person au snueneady whatever than one horse) and followed the hounds, only upon the derived." Now, the vote of the ommittee is a ° s u ke l .l 2ay same amount as the poor clerk or mechanic who earned two pie hat occasion for the affirmatio fgeneral upo n -' n o a prinm pounds a-week,;and this at a time when agricultural produce that Some tax or other —I don't propose to ledge on was selling at so high and remunerative a rate. The time to say whether an equal or an unequal tax—shall p be laid y for the cry of agricultural distress was gone by, and was no upon all successions to property that take place in conse longer available as political capital. The motion was that quence of death. That condition —the accruing of the tax of a "very young member," and a more impudent one had in consequence of a successio n that ensues upon death—is never been brought into the house, the pivot of the whole m easure. The importance of the Sir F. KELLY o b serve d, th at i f the hon. member would bearing of this proposal is to be considered with refer introduce a motion to exempt artisans and small trades- ence to two great classes of property which have hitherto men, to whom he alluded, to the extent of one-sixth, he been either exclusively or in the main exempt from all would most cordially support him. charge upon death or upon succession; firstly, pro- Mr. BANKES th oug ht t h e hon. member could not h ave p er ty, whether settled or unsettl e d ; an d , secondly, real settled attended to the speech of the hon. and learned member, or property, whether personal or real. The first question we to that of the hon. member who introduced the motion, for have to consider is, what are the reas ons th a t have deter his arguments h a d h a d nothing to say to the f ac t they had mined' the Government, and that I hope will determine adduced. The hon. member for Berkshire mainly rested his the committee, to resort to this source for the replenish demand for the English farmer on the point of justice, and meet of the revenues of the country ? Th e r i g ht h on. gen on the comparison of hi s case w ith t h at of the Scotch and tleman opposite (Mr. Disraeli) said a few nights ago, if I the Irish farmer. He knew many parts of his own county understood him correctly, that I had founded the justifi in a state far below that which he believed to be the case in cation of this measure upon its character and effect, Scotland or Ireland. The hon. member said that farming which I described in addressing the house on a former was the best trade going. He (Mr. Bankes) was not there occasion namely, that the laying of this tax upon at that moment to deny it—(hear, from the Government successions to property would countervail the operation of benches)—but they were putting a tax on the farmer for the income tax in so far as that operation is too severe in seven years to come. Who could say the present state of respect of intelligence and skill, and too lenient in respect prosperity would continue so long ? He feared the excep- of property as compared with intelligence and skill. The tions from prosperity to which he alluded would increase, right hon. gentleman observed that that being the pur and he felt it his duty, as representing a large agricultural pose of the tax, it was obvious that the tax so considered constituency, to support the proposition of the hon. mem- ought to terminate— or at least, in. the view and mind o f her for Be r k s hi re. the Government, ought to be intended to terminate, in the Mr. WHALLEY took that opportunity of entering his year 1860. Now, I certainly could not with any great most solemn protest against the reimposition of the income confidence submit this proposition to the committee, if the tax. Though he approved generally of the budget. The tax was intended to terminate in 1860, inasmuch as we income tax was not on the pockets but on the morality of should not have received full legacy duties under this pro the middle classes :it touched the very life-blood of their posal in respect of any one portion of real property in Eng principle and honour, and although the tax had existed land until 1858, and the tax would, therefore, have an ex according to law since the establishment of the poor law, tremely short du ra ti on . B u t , i n point of fact, the right it had neve r b een carr i ed out in the various parishes in hon. gentleman was mistaken in the construction which he assessing property for the poor on account of its mis- put upon my statement. I stated that this suceession-tax chievous effects. As to the motion before the house, he equalised—if it be now unequal--the burden that the in must say, the mere fact of giving the farmers a fixed come tax casts upon property as compared with intelligence amount, to be ascei seined by a certain standard, was an and skill. I stated an d a d m i tted that intelligence and inestimable boo n , an d did much to place them in an ad- skill were t oo h ar dl y pressed upon by the income tax as vantageous position. compared with property. I stated that this measure would Mr. AGLIONBY could not refrain from expressing his rectify those inequalities; and I stated further, and be dissent from the sentiments uttered by the hon. member lie ve ' that this measure will rectify them to whatever do for Manchester, though he would go into the some lobby urea you may call it into existence, without raising financial with him. A more exaggerated and highly-coloured state- dangerous questions, and without unsettlingyour . finan a t l went had never been heard in this house than had been system, or renderinga it fa l r iElle to in repeated that and he incessant made by the hon. member with regard to the prosperity of . disturbance; but inequalities i . 'li the • r e el : 1 saying g is the only reason the tenant farmers. He (Mr. Aglionby) had long lived in tion of . n . in ono upon which the justrfication of this measure is to be based. the country, and knew something of the occupying tenants it ears to me that there are many other reasons. In the in most parts of England, and he must say from what had first place, it is plain that the measure is essential to this been said by the hon. member that he should have thought the hon. memb er h a d never k nown anything about an acre main condition o f th e fi nanc i a l measures of the Government —that, as far as in us lies, we will place a future Parlia of land in the possession of a tenant farmer. (Hear, hear.) meat in a condition, at a given period, to part with the If such statements, which only referred to particular parts income tax if it thinks fit. This is one of the objects jects we have of the country, were admitted sub silentio he feared much proposed to ourselves as es sen ti a l t o j ust i fy the proposal to irritation would be caused among, an d just ground for complaint would be g i ven t o , a c l ass of persons who had continue the incom e t ax f or seven years—(hear)--that while suffered severely of l a t e . D ur i ng some years, so far from we propose it f or a t erm so considerable, we shall lay the and prepare a train o f causes w hi ch will supply the tenant farmers h av i ng a return for their capital, he ground believed they had no t b een pa id f or the labour of them- Parliament with th e means of diaper sing with it, if they s selves and their f am ili es —th a t, on t h e contrary, there had hall think fit, a t th e exp i ration of that term. (Loud cheers.) That i s ano th er material reason for proposing the been a direct and considerabl e l oss , an d th at their rent had been paid out of the ca pit a l. (H ear, hear.) That was so tax upon successio ns; an d w i t h out that tax upon successions i in the north, and in m an y p ar t s o f th e south of England, it would be imp oss ibl e th at we could hold eut to you any other expectationof the t ', t*of the income tax th an might and he asserted again, therefore, that, although there that series of va gue and general expectation s w hi c hth e coma - might be exceptional cases , th e con di tion of the tenant try has by this ti me , a ft er so many repetitions of the experi farmers described by the hon. mem b er f or M anchester was ment, learned to appreciate at their true value. (Laughter not the general conditio n o f th a t c l ass. (Hear, hear.) and cheers.) Anoth er p urpose f or which we propose this Mr. KENDALL also th oug ht he shibuld not be doing his tax is to provide a fund by means of which, during that in duty to his constituents if he allowed the statement of the terval of seven years, we may carry into effect great and hon. member for Manchester to go forth uncontradieted. extended measures for the remission of indirect taxation. In that part of the country which he had the honour to (Cheers from the Ministerial side.) This is an important and represent the tenant farmers were at this moment barely essential purpose—(hear)--but Ido not hesitate to say ekeing out a subsistence. (Hear, hear.) that, behind and independent of all these, there is a Mr. HUME said that no person, whether farmer or shop- pus-pose yet more and more permanent in its character— keeper, wag entitled to begin business without capital, and namely, the removal of an anomaly which is unjust in its it was yielding to a bad principle also to say that a farmer nature, which is galling to the public feeling—(hear, hear) could not keep accounts. The farmers ought, ono and all, —which becomes more and snore galling from year to year, to be capable_of keeping accounts, and then the same law, and which we believe it to be for the interest of all classes applicable to the shopkeeper, ought to be applicable to to settle at once and permanently, being convinced that the these—they ought not to be charged ls. snore than their longer you postpone that settlement the more difficult it net income was shown to be, like other traders. He thought will be to achieve, and the worse will be the terms upon as the tax was at present levied upon farmers it might fall which it will be effected. (Hear, and cheers.) With these short on some and might press hem ny upon others ; but, views and with the feeling that the present state of the as he could not agree with the hon. member who had law cannot be held good in point of justice, I say that we brought forward this question, that one-third would be by have a purpose in this proposal quite irrespective of all any means an adequate proportion for the tenant-farmers those collateral ends, important as they, too, are, which we to pay, he should feel bo un d t o oppose the motion. (H ear .) h ope to secure by snaking the proposal at' this moment. Mr. MALINS thought that the hon. member for Cocker. Now, Sir, the first question I wish to press upon the ear mouth, after his remarks that night, ought to have voted nest and dispassionate consideration of the committee is for protection, and he could account for his not doing so this —can we maintain the present law as it is? In my only on the strength of party feelings. The hon. member opinion it is totally impossible. (Cheers.) I don't mean for Montrose, again, who professed to be a friend of the that it is impossible to maintain it this session or the next people, would exclude every man from becoming rich who session. I mean that it is impossible to look upon it as a was not born with 10/. per acre in his mouth. (Hear, portion of our fiscal system with any satisfaction, that the hear, and No, no.) He thought that landlords in ge- public sentiment of the country is decidedly adverse to its neral would prefer for a tenant a man with industry, sic' 11, continuance in the present state, and that some day or and energy to a man who had capital without those quali- other—and that at no distant period—it will and must fications. (Hear, hear.) The principle propounded by the inevitably be changed. (Hear, hear.) You cannot main hon. member for Montrose would, '3f acted on, be subver- tain it ; and why ? Not because there is a clamour sive of everything on which the greatness of this country against it. (Colonel Sibthorp here made an observation was founded. The hon. member for Montrose now ad- which was inaudible in the gallery.) lan sorry to scan mitted that the repeal of the corn law led to the confisca- dalise the gallant colonel. (Laughter.) I should have hoped tion of the small farmers, though when that argument was that when I said we ought to look into, the rights of urged in the debates which took place on the repeal of that the question, and not merely to popular opinion, I should law, it was denied that any such consequence would fol- have had some slight rememberable degree of his approval. low. (Hear.) With regard to the question before the (Colonel Sibthorp, with great vehemence, "No, sir, never." house, he would vote for the amendment of his hon. friend, Loud laughter.) Well, I greatly regret that even those on the ground of principle, though the relief which it principles to which I should have thought the hon. and would give the farmer was so small, that he did not think gallant member would have given his assent should be so it would be worth his hon. friend's while to press it to a poisoned by coming from any lips—(a laugh)—but, irre division. (Hear, hear.) According to a calculation which result spective of the aroval of the hon. entleman, which it he had made, the of the amendment would be this— seems I cannot hav pp e, I must state the reasons why I think that the tenant who paid 2001. a year rent would be re- it is perfectly impossible to defend the continuance of the lieved from the income tax altogether. The tenant who present law. In the first place—and I state first the rea paid 3001. would pay on 1001. instead. of 1501., and would son which I conceive to be the weakest--I do not think it save 11. 9s. 4d. per annum. The tenant who paid 4001. a possible to defend the continuance of the present law, even year would save it. as. 2d., and the tenant who paid as respects real property. (Hear.) I.think, when we look 6001. a year would save 21. 6s. He believed the farmers, back to the time of Mr. Pitt—when we reflect upon the if asked on this subject, would say that they did not care proposal made by him nearly seventy years ag and - one farthing for such a s ma ll amount of relief. (Hear.) eider all that has since passed, we must feel that even Sir J. SHELLEY said the hon. gentleman seemed to in regard to real property, as such, its present exemption put himself forward as a teacher of landlords, but after the occupies but a weak and insecure position in the view opinions he had given with respect to capital, he (Sir J. of the sentiments and tendencies of this day. I speak Shelley) should be sorry to be in his class. The honour- of the exemption as a total exemption. I don't say that able gentleman had misunderstood what had fallen from there are not circumstances in . the condition ofreal pro his honourable friend the member for Montrose. What he PertY which ought to be considered when we come to ex - understood should deal understood his hon. friend to mean was —what every land- amine the question in what precise manner we to adopt. herd knew to be a fact—that the cause of the great distress with it under the measure w exemption e m m a p y ti o e n of real property which existed amongst the agriculturists generally had What Ido say is, th o a es t s a tota l ion, whi x ch tax is made applicable been that they took farms without any regard to the from a . tax i uiLon e s r u y e t , and that at a high and heavy rate, amount of capital which they possessed to work them pro- I? to neigynaviL- property, an arrangement altogether juatifia &ably. (Hear, hear.) He thought that one of the great is, _ ble, nor an arrangement' which is safe, wise, or expedient benefits of free trade was that the farmers could now work reference to the permanency of our institution s . It their farms with 71. or Si. an acre instead of 10/. in c on - with is an exemption which I think is far more invidiou s th an sequence of the fall in prices gener a lly. (H ear, h ear.) During the corn law farming was ind e ed a b a d b us i ness it is valuable ;and therefore I should wish to get rid of the but at present no trade was more pr o fit a bl e . (H eer invidious and odious character which attaches to it, and hear.) Farmers now looked a great deal m ore th an they , ; come, if we can, to something like a fair and just measure of the claims of rea l p ro p er t y , an d to a settlement of those used to do to the capital which was requir e d t o cu lti va t e claims. But if the exemption of real property is difficul a farm profitably ; and there was a strong feeling growing to defend, how much more difficult is it—in my view, atpersonality? up in favour of tenant right, which would tend to the be be icl least—to defend the exemption of settled s nefit both of the landlord and the farmer. (Hear, hear.) (Hear, and cheers.) Now, what in the world can from 'legacy The principle of assessing the farmers on half their rent on behalf of an exemption of settled personaltyargument, or the had been agreed to when farming was not so good a trade duty? (Hear.) lam not aware of any ghtforward in de m it as it was now, and he saw no reason for departing from shred of an argument, that can be u to the exemption when farming was so profitable. (Hear, hear.) . fence of such exemption. • With respect exemption. Settlements Mr. B. STANHOPE denied that farmers were in the of real property, it is a bend fide prosperous condition described by the hon. member for ofthree of real property are not ma. e orthe 1 f purpose of procuring because real property is exempt whether even this exemption, Westminster. On au average offive sa years, or with respect to personal property we than they were pre- settled or not ; but years, the profits of farming t were le amendment of his hon. friend know that the astuteness of lawyers and the vigilance viously. With regard to heam e whether they had personal interest are continually at work to defeat they had to consider two points—first,ssm ent on the farmers ; of theoperation of the law—(hear, hear)—and to invent new any right to make an arbitary ought to as t: diminished by putting des of escape from the legacy duty, and this with such and next, whether that d He confessed he modes rdinary success that, although there has been an • them as it were into another ache vle. half exteao increase . found great difficulty in proving that the assessment onthe alproperty of the, i lia. manse in person and he believed there would be such increase is scarcely traceable in the tables of y the rent was not a just one, in proving that it was, l egacy duty. (Hear.) We know that arran - our equal and even greater difficulty a total absence of ac- „ a d e which may be called all but fraud 1 gements are u ent—a and for this reason, that there was in the country. rranges amongst the best farmers meets l which are perfectly senseless, h • , win g r o meani ng counts even of appeal was of 1 justification in t ) The farmer's boasted right who Lad am no hemselves, and no rational (Hear, hear. benefit to him. A man to which they can be referred, purp ose scarcely any practical dto have all his affairs ex to (Ch ) N except that of evading the outstanding engagements like ten kept no such accounts as aw- . _ (Cheers.) . Now, some persons may think that there posed. Nine farmers out of the assessor ; and so minute is a countervailing consideration in the fact, that settle would enable them to go before who appealed that he knew meets are made upon stamps, but I apprehend that • is were the questions put to thol L e rwas asked how many bees no answer at all. My belid is that the stamps one instance in which afa I how much_ honey he got from of these settlements are of such smallmps upon many he kept in his garden, l a o m I did not ask for compensation to scarcely to be faked into account, value that they are them ? (Laughter.) he simply contended it settlement stamp as it no Ppo Su se you take the account of losses; the farmer on think, w stands,--it is at the rate, I assess him as he was assessed at present, of ss, per cent. For cent., then, was not fair to per cen ~ you get a and,seeking for him no favour and no affection, he en- document which ascerta• ss. ins the of your property committee to place him in the same position as at your death, and stains its existence treated the . course, thereby sanding of the community. (Cheers.) in lieu of a will and determine the rest of letters of administration. Is Mr. VANSITTART replied. not this privilege enough, independently of evading The committee then divided— the legacy duty? (Hear, hear.) Is there not another For the amendment Against it hon. member sitting behind the Chancellor of the Exche quer here made an observation in a low tone.) Yes, in some cases the probate duty is beyond 3 per cent. Is it not, then, quite privilege and benefit enough that by paying Sc. per cent, upon a settlement a man should escape the pro bate duty of 2,3, or 4 per cent., without being able to escape a totally independent impost of 2 or 3 perrocoesn.t more ? (Hear, hear.) I think it is perfectly monst note maintain that, because of the stamp upon settlements, has been legacy duty should be paid by wh ich pronerty „a . n _ I indeed, I settled. It seems to mo a very gor h orlr the irobate duty, should say, if we were now deali g n s g o w .c ti be able by a stamp too good a bargain—that person.. ,b ul Majority ................................. 60 The original resolution was then agreed to. LEGACY DITTIES, The CHAIRMAN then proceeded to read the resolution on the subject of the legacy duties, when he was inter rupted by Mr. DISRAELI, who said that an hon. member b him (Mr. Freshfi e ld) h a d given notice of an amendment c the chair man upon that part of th e resolution at Which had, just arrived, an d he (Mr. Disraeli) wished to know whether the Chancellor of the Exchequer intended to HOUSE OF COMMONS-(YESTERDAY. The SPEAKER took the chair at four o'clock. The Lords' amendments to the Wakefield Stoke Mills Bill were considered and agreed to. The following bills were read a third time and passed —The Australian Agricultural Company, Dundee Water works, Great Northern Railway (No. 1), Londonderry, Enniskillen, and Sligo Railway, Lough Foyle and Lough Swilly Drainage a n d R ec l amation, and the Lough Foyle and Lough Swilly Railway. The High Ham and Ashcott Roads, Midland Rail way (Leicester and Hitchin), and York Drainage and Sanitary Improvement and Foss Navigation Bills were read a third time. Mr. FREWEN presented a petition praying for the inspection of nunneries. Mr. G. LANGTON .presented a stmilar petition. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE presented a petition from Great Yarmouth, complaining of the French occupation of Rome. Mr. A. HASTIE presented a petition from Glasgow, in favour of Mr. Craufurd's Sheriff*? Colift Bill. Sir R. INGLIS presented a number of petitions against the opening of the Crystal Palace on Sundays. Sir J. TROLLOPE presented a petition from Spald ing, in favour of the total repeal of the advertisement duty. Mr. O'CONNOR HENCHY presented petitions from Kildare and other places in favour of the ballot and tenant right. Sir G. GREY presented a petition from Neville Hall Medical College, Newcastle, praying for the enfran chisement of the London University; and a petition from the working men of Morpeth against the opening of the Crystal Palace on Sundays. Mr. HUME presented a petition from the Winchester Farmers' Club, in favour of the ballot ; also from the county of Norfolk, in favour of the County Rates Ex penditure Bill. Mr. M. GIBSON presented a petition from Essex to the same effect. Mr. MASTERMAN presented petitions from Ches ter and other places, in favour of the inspection of nun- neries. Mr. STRUTT presented a petition from the Univer sity College, London, in favour of the enfranchisement of the London University. Several other petitions were presented by Hon. Mem bers to a similar effect. Mr. M. GIBSON presented a petition from the Literary Societies' Union of Lancashire and Cheshire, in favour of the total abolition of the advertisement duty and penny stamp. On the motion of Mr. WALPOLE, Lord. St. Leonards' Lunacy Bills were read a first time, and the second reading fixed for the 19th of May. Mr. MILLIGAN presented a petition praying for the total repeal of the advertisement duty. Lord CHELSEA presented a petition from Dover in favour of national arbitration. Lord GODERICH presented a similar petition. Mr. C. BERKELEY presented a petition from the solicitors of Cheltenham against the reduction of the stamp duty on attorney's certificates. Mr. COBDEN presented petitions from places in Yorkshire, against the Government scheme of educa tion. Sir F. KELLY presented a petition from farmers and others in Suffolk, against the proposed licence duty on maltstera. Sir C. WOOD presented petitions from Paisley, Barns ley, and Moxenden, in favour of the legalising of mar riages with a deceased wife's sister. Sir J. GRAHAM presented a petition from 2,000 inhabitants of Carlisle, in favour of the opening of the Crystal Palace on Sundays. Lord D. STUART gave notice that he should, to-mor row, move for a return of the number of warrants signed by different Secretaries of State for the opening of letters at the Post-office from the year 1845 to this time. Lord H. VANE presented petitions from Durham and Barnard Castle praying for the legalising of mar riages with a deceased wife's sister. Mr. H. BERKELEY presented a petition from the letterpress printers of Bristol praying for the total abo lition of the advertisement duty. Mr. C. BERKELEY asked whether there is to be any inquiry in this session of Parliament into the work ing of the Public Health Act, with a view to the amend ment of that act, or of the construction of the Board of Health ? Sir W. MOLESWORTH said, that at the termina tion of the existence of the present Board of Health the Government would be prepared to bring in a bill to renew the board, making such improvements as would be deemed necessary. It was not intended to institute any extraordinary inquiry. Mr. HUME said that unless there were sn inquiry great dissatisfaction would be excited. LEGACY DITTY. In answer to Sir F. KELLY, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that when the succession tax shall be imposed, the regis tration of all deeds of settlement will not be compulsory by law. HACKNEY CARRIAGE BILL. - In reply to a question, Mr. FITZROY said he was now engaged in framing a clause to be introduced into the Hackney Carriage Bill, for the purpose of preventing the nuisance occa sioned by advertising vans, but there was a difficulty in determining what was an advertising van. Sir D. L. EVANS hoped the bill would contain a power of appeal against the decisions of police magis trates. Sir R. H. INGLIS said there were so many objec tions to this measure, that he trusted the Government would now see the necessity of referring it to a select committee. Mr. FITZROY could see no such necessity. The bill was one of great public interest, and he hoped the house would not consent to any proposal which would have the effect of delaying it. EXCISE DUTIES ON SPIRITS BILL. In reply to a question, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said it was proposed to take the final sense of the house upon this part of the budget in the committee on the bill. In that case he should propose to read the bill a second time to-night ; but if the principle of the bill was to be contested on the second reading, he should, of course, not take the second reading at a time when there could be no discussion. . ASSESSED TAXES. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER wished to take the opportunity of suggesting that the resolutions on assessed taxes should be taken and reported, , pro forma, at once, so that a bill might be brought in as speedily as possible, and the exemptions agreed to. Mr. DISRAELI ma d e no o bj ect i on to this proposal. NEWSPAPERS BILL. Mr. RICARDO said the late Government introduced a bill for the purpose of defining what was a newspaper, and when the present Government came in they said they should take up the bill. Now, he wished to know when the Government measure was likely to be brought in. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the bill was in a state of great forwardness, and ready to be laid upon the table, but it had been thought expedient to delay bringing in the bill until the decision of the house had been taken on the subject of the advertise ment duty. Mr. RICARDO begged to remind the right hon. gentleman that a prosecution was now, pending against parties in the Court of Exchequer upon the question arising out of the present unsettled state of the law. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said it was quite true the prosecution was pending against a person named Collet, but the prosecution was taken at the defendant's own request, for the purpose of having the law defined by one of the superior courts. THE IRISH DISPUTE. On the question of going into committee of ways and means, Mr. MAGAN entered into an explanation of what he said on Friday night, relative to the intentions of the present Government as to extending the income tax to Ireland. He stated then that three honourable members represented to a meeting of Irish members that in the event of the Derby Government being turned out, and a Whig Administration succeeding them, there would be no disposition on the part of the new Govern ment to extend the income tax to Ireland. He was mistaken in the members who made that statement. It was only two, namely, the member for Tralee, and the member for Roscommon. (Hear, hear.) Mr. F. FRENCH wished to say a few words upon this subject. The house must not suppose that this meeting of Irish members ivas a secret . affair—it wa s held open and above board — and at th at meeting the ques tion of extending the income tax to Ireland was warmly discussed, and the discussion was ultimately adjour ne d. I n the meanwhile, between the adjournment and the next meeting, he might say the right hon. gentleman the member for Wells had represented to him what had occurred. The right hon. gentleman then led him to understand that there would be no disposition to extend the income tax to Ireland, and upon the strength of that information he made the statement to the meeting of Irish members which was now imputed to him. (Hear.) Mr. M. O'CONNELL said he was bound to confirm the statement which had just been made. Shortly be.