The Sun. — London, England, 1804-04-24 00:00:00

• . . fight in battalions. as well as the Volunteers, but I think that - in additionto the greatest regularly dis ciplined Army you can have,. there should be called forth the great mass of the Population Of the Conn try—the physical :strength - of -Ole ,Noion., .It is eossibYe..that ohe eoormous .individ4)_ eocpence at tending-the Volunteer System may,. in t ime, much diminish that force. "It ispossible, thatifthe Enemy long delays his threatened-Invasion, the apprehension 0 1 danger, which has recettitedso•fasti,the _Volunteer., Army, may die away, Apia then its rititobei'inay:be• considerably diminished. - 1.0 such,a. c,ise.,,wha,t, het; ter substitute could be:found ~ ,than •,.IVie mass 'of the English Nation, armed „with ,whatever. weapons could be proCqed,.and aching powerliil)y. lo .every County in- whiCh the scene of :aciion apouldTti'e, a n,I ' not only by their numbers and - their courage,- but also by their loeal,knowledge of the‘,Coteots.? . ;1 - O this general arming of the pe o p le o f .nglarcl,. I look . with confidence, • not metely as a,. temporary. ni'ea",' sure, but is :a Permanent:system for thepefenci Of this Country.; at i o.l . l; have-hopes Allot.. appreheriii , in of danger in time of war, -.. together ,avitli that zeal zeal and. spirit which arises.frturythat appre)Seps s io6, may give,birth to a system which net . ..only 'in:,.. war, but in peace,. will prove th e .permar t ent defence of . the Empire. If any one,: i, i ;partial-10 ,the presefit System of Volunteers;-Tet him•consider with what facility the Volunteer Force a( the le.ingdOnil . o6o he recruited and kept' "up, if . there ,hacl.previouslY, • existed in the Country.a. sort' of Mili,taryorgariiza.% tion--;-if :every _manrof ~the • English, Nation. knew,. at least, something o th,e, use.. Of ,arms.... "SuppOse' such an,organitatioo as he should-now prove, and: such training' io the use of arms„ had :beetees.tatlished io.this . Co:.untry.• twenty, yea,rs,ago,..with what ra:. . pidity could ahe VolUnt-eer,..flattalipos.be Completed and brouglielb'a high state 91 Aiscipline..? . In fa6f,. there c ; oohl • lie . - ricr measure proposed Which „would • be _more likely to".,en'ettre a powerful. Army of '' . 7 . *:)-", lunteers,4henever. we wan_ ed t.lierri l . th, , n this of instruAlig".themas;s: of theiNationeolittleio the use . of arms..., ..I...ain-stirei - that t haecharacier„of,the.People of this gionilry eis:,..stili,: . that .the..rnor.e they ,are : trusted,, the . tietter ' they - . w ill- behave. - _ Supposi rig the EneM y . W.ere 'to'rpa . ,•rheir - thre-4: cin to.eotecot ion. ? , and effeet :a landint ip,:rhis C.Ouritre,.l,..tinist not shut my,.eyes fceihe-pessihikity of tu-Epgli.sl),AlTY.,.. being defeated. 'lf We ednsult,the Pap4,l-liStqiy t we . floc' it .full of eveots• whieh.,hav , e appea.r4,44,Wr9,T,, bable till - .they ~ere' a ecomp.lishe;ll..enowt.44.s4att ~ in fairly, viewing both' sitle‘s„-ohs the., ,ep.tem9,,c00,....,. Bider what` weite,d - •.he : the p - teibalkle,e4 l- *osoVl. 9 ge a defeat, , I must .-,5ay, 7 11,1e-re.is • pothi n g,,..appiar.S . . - f; inc likely to repair. such. A ' 4isa4e,;- ,s3.opr Iliiin E . having itli . O.'llole of the Peasamo ,-,44....yet . F.44cuin of. the district sue.roueding tlee:so44,.:*4etia9MOV..,hy,(:. trained to the•'itie 4.00 - ts.: , ,.iin ati*.a..e.a.aetlle Vic c. . tors could not .advance o ein.,io2,4 l , ' f.,at•riera nor e Vert . ; forage, . without -sending..Jaq&-e,dichmr, l 3ss; l -? PF9'....,. tech their paitiea,, • which outi,st. ,, Nealr.ep t alteir,gr:and , army, Every village, ha t tiletoekarm-h9tase, would ' be a post that would be cooteatedigaiFist;thein ; and ' their vißory even. Wcurd anP-4 , sPcle - iP,tbc ii i r ui ';•. , But in viewing the other, aide.,..and the ) m9st probable side of 'the question,-.thatet-,thp-IhstaeliesjjhotA he'. defeated-7-a defeat,-undey. luch.ckteimiia.oce?. must be atterided witty - the, total . destru4ion,: ; ekther'by:, slaying orby 'capture gi,the whole, nvaCliog Army. , No fugitives could be,:per pitted to wander through' a copntry in arms ,agalpse.them.. ,I.neonsidering"; now, the measures. whi.o , His. Majekty's.Minisiers. have thought Prop,er,„tpz adopt, I. must_ first lo9k at the Bill called -the-DO-epee Ad.; „and although in n. the z.eal, with which, at a time like that., when we were told we -should- be. invaded in a feW weeks, the Bill was adopted with less consideration:than. perhaps it _would ,have received ,in other. times„, yet, in ,looking. at the Bill now, I must say, that: the p r era g atirce of the ,Crown is staio in . such a . manner, -that however the proposition .. may stand: in theory, I contend would be, monstrous ipprac , tice. • If Ministers should wish to maintain that do&rine of Pretogative,. it, was a point .that appear.' ed to him, of such importance, that. he wished to, have it fairly discuaSed in a Committee. Without speaking of, Prerogative, it might be laid clown, is a o general, rule, that, in certain cases, the Cont . - . snunitv might call on the services of every one of its individuals for. its preservation k arid t. it, there. fore, as. the . King was in ,this respeel . the Represen. tative of. the Community, .he.had the same right. Such ioari,e as ,this,.however plausible it -might sound, waiin the highest degree unconstitutional for :by the same rule, as .the Community might call for tlie foritine, ga-Well as . the person, of every in,,- ilividuA in, it s defence the King wonld have a right , ;piety Into-ley without .the consent of Parliament k a' 440.0iit which - would be in, the hjgliesr ae. i t *",tsvcOnstiturional. - The PrerogatiVe. of the ( .- 'oweowas always to.- be-, regulated and ascertained by. Ereeedept anerestablished usages ;., for, as a.:moit al* Jyige ilid ; 1,0,it-.:d0wn,..-! the Prerogative' of the, cyolivi .he-ishoutd .. fioid as :little,- unless. 446 it was sairAtiOned. by praflice,'.• But ifeeer there did exist such - a if reroga tiveein- the Croven, of calling out whom it- Pleased:for the.Defence, of - the realm, that Prerogative must be supese.4 to have been entirely tiOne asFay. With, at the timelof the pasi`ng.•ihe Ad of tha - ,Zeth of Edward the Ind. which enresslY limited the Power ti)f,7.the King„", to 'the call. ing;out 'those ph° heScl,by the ten.ure of Military Services." The IC.ipg can have,no PrercgatiVe, the exercise of which would ,he ruinous to the liberties of his-Subjefis, and nothing could be more . oppies. sive or des tro4ive to rtioae, liberties, than to claim a right of employirtg theni.as common S7tOier's, with out any regard to Tank, property, or ability, to serve all those whom the Ministers of the Crown should think proper to, employ.. By this' alleclg,-• t ed Ptefogative,, -His Majesty., would have the! p o wer at t ending the PR.IIIICE o.WALEs-to serve as' a common Soldier, subject ,to the _Mutiny At% under. any, of.his footmen, where be had also the: PrefogatiVe• of • appointing his Qfficer. But with out mentioning , ` the case of a person so distin guished.as the-Ptt two .of WA LEs, he mnst.say, that it would beopptessive and tyrannical in *t ' he highest _degree ; to. send : any . Gentleman,. .Tradesman, or , Farmer in the Kingdom.into the Regular Army under the provisions of this Bill. It . inay_he said, that, it_ ..is not likely thatAinisters would-so abuse the power. tlat this Bill appears to give them: I (lb not say` tl ry would so abuse it; but I arnsonvinced, that it mould be dangerous in the highest degree to place - . this power of iiil&iil . ce in the harul*:,eif anyi tini.. iterS, so as that they might he allowed by,l4W, to Place - any than' they pleased in a situation that,: to. any Uotleman or person of liberal feelings, ,Would ft.kiii.en-'thousand times ,worse than death itself'. What -,.. ...„. rt is" the use. of this Bill,' 'Which could not be init. in `pliftice: . :4ithont ootialing and:destroy - ing every. 'priutitile, -- Adrooly of litierry, ,liitt of civ_ilikrtion ?, Bit(Ministers.tnay , say, that although; they never intended t carry- this .Bill into exeettiiOn,-*• yet t :it stem of t reat -use"- to thenV,: , ?':tif : fillirig- up the "Volunteer ' : Armies ; they. only ,sv - ar l it ed ' it •as a:httg- • Ami '.` 'lt eared p.irie" t'Ot' they wanted no bug- • *ehi j .' tar ..was - it -necessary - :.''' - t-a: hold up to . the Feiiple.tif toglana, in . •4Wro'sqlfri ,' • ;AO Bill that was ncver to: tie'..afted: - ,upoir. :This menace, held out to ifie Petiple, to frighten theft into becoming Vo lunteers,' put him - in mind - of ifte'Conditft of a for. Mer .Speaker .or that Hottse,--tvho certainly" filled the Chair., in general, with great dignity. - and pt o priety (Mr. OysLow), but one *clay, with 'A .grea r, • degree of' ttarnith; he told a Member, he shou 1 d ' ilah:.'' him if 'he - did - nzt:eandtift himself ;life - tentir ; . ' the Men - iber, - not much 'frightened .at 'the threat, - asked very coolly;' suppose you • do , : Elaine Me, what 'will he, the c6iisis . uence 7' The conse. q; tre'nee! replied the Speaker,. God only . knows. - (l' is sic ry. excited a to - wide; rabli-dtigrei of ltias-A019.. ) 1 Much of a piece with thiS 'circumstance was - this -- - - bri g-B ear Bill, • which' certainly Ministers .never:"dr ' intend. to aEt 'upon. :, If <then . 'this hug.bear , ''; -should lose its terrors, 'and . ' other- circumstances should .contribute to thin; the` rinks of ' the. -V 0-,.. Itinteers, be: saw na better 'system . to supply the.. It'iii . than; by having - -teCourSe' - to-' the Armed Po. _ .. puhation of ihe Country. As tatlie•qtrintity of arms ''ll•Ca . i' ean now be given ont, and: whether the pike is, or is riot 'a •weapon that May 'be•depended. upon ; . 'these were - subjefts which he would wish to•refer to 'the eaMmittee he now proposed. Mr.- Fox cm clUded'hy 'moving, ". That - it he referred 'to 'a Coro ' ...""'tilittee, 'ta revise the :seileral Ads 'made.in the ," 'coarse of the last SessiOn of Parliament, for the `.'"'D'efence of the Country, And to -consider-what : " - farther measures might be necessary for the per. "-' inanent Defence-of the Country!' - - --. The C HAArCEELOit af'II,,e'EXCITEQUER rose ta,express his - sentiments on the .56 Irjf!tt, whiCh the ,Ifon.„ge. i tletnan had:, stated, some of ,whirl; were “14.eftly Applicable to the Motion with - syltich he bad .I'cOnelucled, and SoMe of which were partly. incidental. .. - 1 :.40d.. first, as to the lisal and unanimity of the Qountry. .41.:the present War,-,that zeal and unani. inity the , Hoo. Gentlernaa,ha . d iilfoWe'd to exist ; 19 - iitheivid wished;:. the House , to _understand, that t,hef cause 41: iba:e"..ztal-, and thit. unanimity - was in the just apprehension-we .311.1 id of; the danger of 4iii;asion.."but-be.ati.-not alloW it to be in any de gte,e.,.owtng tailielUsticeof their Cduse.. The Hon. 7Qin - rkeraap, ._ ca the...present occAsidn, .had .thotight p i raper to advert to ,the subjefl of the War, in a rOaoner.whicli:drevi forth the,anitnadverSion of seine' . Gentlemen near him. That Hanourable Gentlethan's, : .opir:lionip the War,- -and the. cause of it, had been „ expressed in away that reminded him of the send: i' inept : Which 11:id, been expres4d - by the House on i firrmer .occasions, and which:be recoilet - led' with': -. • ',- ride and` Satislaftion ; and particularly, ,it brought . . two his Minn what the Honourable Gentleman had : himself said,* on the memorable occasion of the - Dis-. C 'cession of the onduft of ,Ministers.with regard to' . the Negotiation at Nils, .when a Motion was Made , the objet of which.was, to have the' censure of' the I-louse :upon Ministers : for _their conduft. Upon . that occasion, the Honourable gentleman, who . now, •,. so.. freely. censured the .tneaSures of Ministers, would not• join in the proposed censure at' • that tithe.. .He was entitled to say , t ha t tie flonolirL able 'Gentleman had changed his mind ; for he now censured what he then. approved. He . could not then think that 'Ministers, were pursuing measures that must, lead unnecessarily to involving their .Country in a War'; for, if he did, ' he' would. readily. join in, the proposed vote for their cen sure. This was a point on which the Honour ' able Gentleman now laid considerable stress . : but - he had the happiness to reflat, that the House ; very generally approved of the conduct '• of Ministers on that occasion, and that approba. . tion met the almost unanimous voice, of the 'People of .this Country. Having said this an the : pre.: liminary observations of the Honourable' Gentle., man, he came now to notice the Motion which was before. the House, a n d a ,Motion so extraordi. ,i. ' . nary . , was, .oe believed,,never before .submitted to the Consideration4,..the . 'Hotise, He did not pre teod ta.be; althooglvis was:long his duty, intimately' ( acquainted with thy.looratifspQhe: - .Elouse ; he' had not conholted them so.inuclY;iiihapi, as . he ought•; , liut as,fat as he knew any thing of them, he wai .• confident there; was no . Motion like. the present - 140 be - found in them ; , nor woUld.he. disgrace the jotlk4 nals .of : ; the. ;-louse so much as - to suppose that, siiittl a. 1 , ..10ti0n. was 'to be found among them. at such 'ir'' [ timeas • the present, What ; y,PAs _the."substance 'or 1 the Motion ? it rwaa - for the,forpcise'of.iiipoioting, 1 by the au thOritiOf that HoUse , ' a .lea coii , mit , cs,l r" No t3'ol'7rom krrierai pi t i ' 'c f i,bi'llors-sc, j -1- [ correEfed liinaselfl , Y saying-:--a Committee, to revise Mls passed by-Parliament 'with respe •to our. De fence, and -sa.t..l) nSilleti.what 9ther.and'more effec. foal.' means may .be l ld'op . ted - for the - Defence of his County , .1-le. :. oarrie4 hi t ,opinirmaahigl), he be. lieved,,:a.ony - p.ne,•,..ai to. the •f.iin4ibns`ot'iltat House, and heAlarl, , he: tr,tistd,.....as _ high - an opinion of the importance .or-.414 . , - foliftioni of that House, • and wished to sie.itsdaties performed properly, as • much as .any riaandid.• He , ,would,be, the last man to call in'questiort: that wriOlt . it was the privilege 1 of ~ the -House to discuss, but. Le ..tifuitfie allowed ..,1 to- doubt the Tropriety ,9f.,: i the House conceiving itself competent to ; the dilOisionof . thC rueiiiure, . even - in . . aCommittee ; ',,f.),;;;:the ,j S ;A Motion,- upon the .face of4t, i; :iv e iti'tlitit. d art ; ffap.! pointtherg. of a. Militari.gonv#tl4--to-take i c og nizance - of . Military . pkg suliie:4l4 anet li - I : iiiii . i Coon.:. mittee to enter on the te 9 tVlitelf:ttie I-160. Gei?.-,• tleman hadi stated.. - Tjif,.ltVd`e..POde'Aik.atfte r .i.. and particular objefii-on,:toie';'stfonftiliiiilk4".',-tilt,- ..t,he general,. principles of ; 1 1 ' e 711• J ' i rlg" I.. W.Outd api t iiai'soli, , -0.... • ..i. ' ,-. • - -..--, as . the noose. would ctq ff ite...i-t;•,- : itupgisible;taa C7 cede to. Sp _much. for 4e a 'seneral . nitgeoi . ilie, Motion now before the .mouse; r sbdt in what terms had the Hon. Gentleman made it ? He had, for rea sons best known to himself; but at whieb, perhoPs) t h e u ot ieg might . guess.; thought fit to tic . eltitte all• cbrsiderittion; whatever, relative to our 'IS I I . Vy i , and of that portion ,n 1; our Force which consisted of 4.oo.,oo6'Vnlunteers,..otherwise, than bringing that matter in incidentally. •The.Hon.:Gentleman lead so framed his Motion, as to take in every. Gentle man, let ma.y. of ..the...,cOn.:- duA. of G-overatent.in general, or on any particu. far "Subjea; provided lie should think thaieany, part of any one measure adopted by Government,. and sanaiinied .by. Parliament, may., be, impt-Tred--all,, who thought there .was tocilitzle-rall who thought there siias: too much of arty one Force in the Colin. : try—all w•ho thhught there .was, too:little—AV who thought there was: too;much of the, 'Volunteer Sys ? , tern adopted---all who thOught ,ap Artned Peasantry,:, was,,,a preferable system .to, that of the Volunteer Systemalli'who thought that a great number of, Peasantry' could he employed to advantage, would be - included in an assent, to this Motion,,hciwevei minute or insignificant ,the-deseriptioo:injghthe of the . objeaitin be.bad io the present. System, ;night be included ,in an assent, to •this e l\lotiort; and this would he the.ease , if Gentlemen s i iiifeied ,theirjiuig tnents to be so entrapped ;if they, suffered them, sel - vms to be drawn in; ancithas.niade..o,;i s rtin ; this .:Would be the effea , of it, ehat all.':periOns who had 'the _least.objeaitin; would find....thernselves ip c,;nitnitee.With those; who, would not agree with . ihetn ii aty, thing, and, that,:etetO, at ,the _present- . cri • etinjtanettn . e. Now, if,lie .eXpressed •-• . . priTelt the natu're of the Motion,. which ht-cer takOW-dicli'-he- must exptess `stilt the quarter: from-which the , Motion earne, 7 —The thin, -Gentleman iv1o : made it,. 1,4 a tc , id:itie Hijtise, that he was not'':SO:inuchillara - gS at.,,the,,:iiirea't of • the Invasion of AhisiCuuretry : were, anillienelie , pioesetie4 -to sa .111404 present :unanimity of . .tlie-Menie,..:and c,t die People .of this:: Country,: was !not .a Proof 0,..th ,e justice .Of our, Catts',' hut .the g round of dare : ortarsitnity justice of oar - ,c cusef sli vli had hr . ought,•,,toinro the . present danger; and it.l waayacommoo.4eitog )11)4 ap prehension of ..that ;common, dimwit, v i thighbad'pnited us. • The Hon: Gerttlenive t ,would,..,llQP,.o.ntcii,d,,that. in the .coorse.of the lase ! .War;there ( yea,s,otit i,period in which there - was consitlerahledaAes„.o.-ititi§Q9 ll 9,-' try. He must cowl - ad ia himself iflie.44,l9,eke had: repeatedly accused Ministers for not 40ittiiibiitAtYi in averting that danger, and yet in the whole course of that War, not. asingle measure likethe.present oti r ginated witb.that Hon. Gentlemao, not Witkianciing the Conviaion of the Hon.-:Gentlernan of the utility of suclya measure; far the House Must have colleaed. from his . * . Speech of tonight,, thae,manY Of the opi.• ,niorta expressed.by him now had been long enter- . tamed by him. So that he-tnight-saY.,that whatever. Ilefeas there might 'be in. Ministers, as to the sys tem they had adopted in , the course of the present. `War, the complaints exhibited against them did not come frotrtithat Hon. Gentleman Vet) , " goad, grace. But now he insiste4:l4-.0 ErCe,„ thac our danger was such that our :systurn : rousf'..fi, altered Ab . • protea the. State fromits impending_ruin.. ow he: would ask,' how-it was possible for 1 tletnan to. account ; his. it !possible, that-. in th 4, ; •course, of _Alle last ' , War,. he- should have 'plaCed So the dispositions :.and intentions of G6; , .;rtilbehr,. ;l as to shut his eyes...against -the .kiioWn t:sition of. the Government that -possible to hid erilighteried.,.mind,... - Viiih the. • Map of Europe before..it.. That baiite sheivn him the power e of-krance,,id ,would give him a tolerable idea of tlle disposition - cif France, 'by, comparing it with the,former Maps. :orgurerpe that Map he would.See:4lw po*F.p..4..Fiance ed . from' the - l'exed lie need. • ed no, more:. than. , to take 44g.tapt#,Li:ii,5.41 . 00 -. 9( Euz. rope, to , see the.danger•whiek tnight.aritij,frorn the power of France ; . and yet,:notWithstandink all this,. no Measure: of the nature. of .the _present:. l\r,fotion. was ever ,suggested by the Righla.l lua..Gent.leman.;:..on the Contrary,' he complimented the MeMbeis of His MajectY'i present•Govevrtment for, having. provided for the safetylof the C6nntry by the •laSt,Peace.'_ But ' the Hon..Gentlernant lia& , thought proper to cittit certain' Harts ' of.Ahe:subjea he had .brought betore the Rause, and to omit .sorhe parts of the remain. der; he 'tneant- 4ith referetre toNhat ivas stated.ort a former pceasitm There never was a . time when stiCh' i tli)i - nions had been expressekon, the' probable continuance" of • Peace as at. the conclusi3O of last war - e •for'all Parties agreed in..this—that • ti!ete was no hoße in thecootinuance of, Peace from., any thing ' , but The conviaion,ofi Ftanctol:thepeilea Se , entity :of, this Countfre'so 651:France had no hope o spccess . t,y. 'war, and it was upon a fiun conit idiot] of tliat idea that such, a- , Peace Establishment was. ;proposed--such a Naval:-and - ,Military Establish, meet, .greatc.r..than any ',that, had. ever -before . ex. ; fisted. The Honourable Gentleman had said, upon ethat • oecision,' that-we- shotild not, have less than F4.,000, .net for e plantation .service, and meri. a fle adverted: note 'to • this Peace. 4qt, the Honour, able Gentlimad, lei4,sulstuir•tel. theMcition . td the - bci4s-izferation r4f 'more narrow ,than-eaultt lw.tte Aieen expeCted - froM _him,. •CoriAdeiinee - ..the-opinioos ~which., had been expreiietb ite..ir-variety ink: debates that Howie. ekeluded:all-nonsidetatitmt.;of! . the. Navy,'" of Afte•-whole•of. .Volunteer:-Force of COtintrY;Odifitiliatilideerted to, Afe means of. In- i.treasiiig:;llul kegul'avArtny, .meaning thereby our' .TrOtips -- Off.Alle' Line e a.nd the House was to - unde'r'. -stand 2iTif4hc. , Flontiurable .Pent.kin'an'.s 'preferable' Sy stem` and-64jetetIvea441taA of,subsiituting an Arm- . ed Sy'stetn— (ec.Ney-:4;Nteitt fflei4.Prlfetvn ,, todrigyslarts.of 11.); House). pf;addfiig. Peas4nty Abe resent Yo hut te this ;Cow net in t.liat raped, he. begged-the Houseoce.recollea !here was,very little . tdifferenCe .between Gdvernme.rit....a,ncl;,the Ffon,cior ' able%.Gentlefliani- altbriugh ..there„iniglii,, be . as to: ihe :time in which any measure should, be brought, forward; for ewe: had" now. a .14:orce:cOrnparatiyeiY ;#ell'discittline'd to 413Cet 414;Ene44,,and , . the' Coon: 't!iy.Twatildiaot ' , debar itself:from, lid 'ring recuo,tise , td att;silree - 4.peeies of Force, . if it_ shol,ild be the ogitii - 6 . •:of GO.yernment- and Parliament - it ;should 'lie' raised ; .but .the 'Hon. Gentleman had.'exgressed hiS opinion of the. increase of the Force of this Country on tw o grounds—the one, by putting arCend to the mischief of competition—the other was by enlisting • • _ men for the Regular Service only fora term, ;I yoO . • He should not enter into any one .Of theie r0ir." , ... because, if the I-louse should. be of opinion that `b ll Committee should not be agreed to, the matter would be 'unnecessary at the present, and if the Committee should.be agreed to,_ the subject Migbt he bettee discussed in such Committee ; but be submitted to the House, thai the Min. GentiernaU ~• liad..failed to make out the necessity of aPpointinr. that committee - for either .of..the purposes .which : were embraced by the two points he had stated to the House ; neither of his points'appeared to be of suf -ficient importance to induce the House to resort to ticlf.a Mode as he had recliiiiinen`cied,-On'the head of 1 R:eg7titar'Re . eibiting. That reefultibg had not been sO il 'flourishing us might_Jiave been wished, bur Ye't,. °! bis Noble Friend.(Lord_PAS:ll.E gaiLG.H).,..had. stated Fon a former occasion, thei„eperiment of recruiting. the 1 .Regular Army had not been fairly tried ; for the ne cessities of the . Country had hiiherto operated to, - . prevent it ; that necessity had called for a supply °' • • zbo,ooo men, and:more,to sup Ply the wants of the d. A_anA rsl 4 ,,k,:' riny bej.sia es 496,000 Volunteers, art . i his- wasof itself comment enOugh upon" ibeiler.c' i...^i . cY; •of the Re . cruitingSks . teon, as 'it has appeared anti sawed it could it , it,g , .) on 'so'„favOutably as'.ol4- - der different eirutnstances it might. have doi:e. - At : this monent, lio'w - ver, - we wjel-e'n6i deficient in Re g..ula' r 'Fo W rce. e h 'ad al ihi; motnatt aße.gilialiiorce... incluiling Militia, of ".t 84,00d . Men i'atirlhere•if must,- .-.' ' be'ubseived, that we were driven to prnvitie . .Nlilit i l ' • ro*rdGi eat BA t l i ri;TO" . .ilir - aiiritlilt . 'ts'f" 111 oda m., °'en, • forlreland 1 8 ,o.B'o,..l.).'esiteS , ll - 1e number of the .ReV'' . .. , -lii''Army, whose engagements may , be - 'ibi) - .-kis . cd . ;.have uxpired, anti wlici were allowed to iiitaittheil l ' ; 'seliits of it, although .in.strianess, perhaps, thei ' were not entitled to 45 ttiii.they were -.lh to t:dce '-the advantage, becatis.e 6i2Vi-rnuient woOIS not incti f `'the suspicion Ur not : , , , ,dheki'Di . §tiiA , 6 , ‘, 1 ) : to 0 ,1 bi.f.l:l; , this be meant .to apply to ;the claim of the sold . ..a s ' ::i,Vno entered, or I}c for. a .liMited'Sery ite; . ind. they ,aii Tcc•ei, - .A4 . 1 their dishiirge: all thii 'cieated:a blank to •'' be 'tilled ,uP.:, by 'recruiting for the - regular -service,' ' 1 . a - l '. a , b 'done, an td h t "now, - i ll which - we --at. ~ . (he,' reg,tdat service of Gieat Britain and ireianuti, • 0 . 4,00 0 ...men, rank and .file besides 4:06,000 . V.'c'''' s ....; 1 .l'untri;i.., .t here was alsb`. a number of Sea Venciblei...... 1-' , (abotitrZo,ooo), „In , a word, we .- 1144 ndtv a Force sP,''.: „ ''. p . liCable to-the . .DePtice Of,this COOnity of 'the efreo" rive 11'. ,i'lflbetipf:s6o,oo, rp cn a titia - 11 engaged in • ~.. ~. . service-of their,,Co4ntryibOve, :2 boi9oci more than. ' were engaged in , the_ service of the Enetty.: '' , " l3 ‘ 4. the lion: Gentlema'n.cOmPlained t'beire r was dam' ' .. 110 , : • merit laid beforethe.House as to thii Force: N°"'' • upo,n this head, he must say, that he had strong Lb' jetlions to .. the prodution of Accounts _of this n - tore, . and he felt those, objections sometime ago t° sntnc. Accounts that had been moved for;.bUt wheel' , • I - . , • • . • under certain cirCumstances, he dictnot oppose ; be thi. he was i read); :to say, that .if Gentierne ri would be • content ts?itli : an: - aceount,.of - the . r est Fo . rce how. in Great-Britain and Ireland, with° Llr asking for.more detailed infOr'ruation--for the 0135 e" vations they had made were'itt a great Measure fait —.if ;they would be content with rite • amount qt'ly' anti nut ask for the:distribution of the Force, 11. ..: should. be.: .. - ready .t-o , : comply . . with . their desi. re l i., and to -give. cheat :accurate arcount-s of_ the Isj'a g ; . and Military Foree,of this Country; anti.thatil t ',„, ment,.he hoped, ariswereck the :-argument of the- - b ' .. . nour . abke'entlernan on that head. .. As to the °„ '. set vations_of the-Honourable' Gentleinan oritheiwul which tie lee • je6'..of 'thy Prerogative of . the- Crown, said to , be inconsistent withthe principles of, ()';.; ' . •. O institution,.. he..: wa s not. now . , desiroui of - aigrofrY, -, it, thougli . he begged to be onAerstoOrs as n ot ii.e, skinip.l,.; it 'ort_account of the difficulty of sUppo;t4... -• that Prerogative as it had been ekpresSed in the Pit'. of Parliament which the Ho n . Gentleman LiLl ° c ". often stated. It had been considered as . the law t ~,, all,sides of the House; When that, ‘ Bill pasi.'eal.,,T t . . doubt' star been : ekpressed .by a h •On er, - iIII:.t 1-I !,i, \lrjesty, had tli power ..of. calling:forth the, ~err ' , c a t ,oti . every 'one of his I...iege.Stibj:?cts in- ci , e t1f . 361 ,` i ; • inv.asit , n, and the only qiiestioii Wa ,, ,., ~ %.hether Pat Majesty haf . nor or should tot have the p0i 74 ',., calling forth that service befoie the Invasion, t"s't tier circumstances of- expeeted Invision ? 'l'llisPAx 1 after a deliberate disCussiOn of the subje'4., apa-C a r Hon. (4etaaleman was, at . some of . c/ . 1: , 6 1 !) ,PL10115..• . .He hoped,.. however, as. ,il l ti4b\s, f4 c ia,f now . to be entertained on the •questiori, _O ) 6 to would: be discussed again, and he only tn4PW,pi it. now, in order that it , might not be unile. r o ilt n o. ~• to lie aaken, pro confesso, that there ' was d r . , ,, e ',1; ,, r Prerogative in tile. qrown, becaue.t.hb,lifa 0 , ! -. ,,.;6: to man. had. this night. said, so. Now; , not:. fiti‘t,'" o 47 o o:tit .the arguments; f the .Hon.Gcniletnan anyg ce df totustify.his i\kotion, nor finding,in the, huto t e ll e zir the Motion itself any thing that Justified it 4 53 ..7, 0 0 public obje4l, he was driven to look for 0 ,v t ;, : e5 e ,t r in . y . c ,1 ,.„,e ,e : .0,4 / ..5 for making it than those which h a d ay; "User .and,on which the tlonourable 'Gentleman. ha c iil "t .wholly . silent. He must, therefore, 6.aYt' ,' ,v c, 4 appear .t 0.., him that. this _Motion; althag".- ie t o alireaed to any objea of public utility 6 , t , comprehend., every floating opinion . llettian in the House, and that the real inientior'i,so •to create - in.. the House an unfavourable diivo''ci tj with respeh to His Majesty's Gwernme ni, a. , , t0 , strike at ilie.c,ontinuande of Ministers in their .. ~ ,-,tions.;.aod that it was neither more nor 1.05,tc11f;,a '• 7 Motion, framed under the eitp e a ation of ernbrit:slioop, veryi cousiderable portion of the TiOuse in It ;. 0 i i is . po.rt,• for ,the. purpose 'or producing a.c.bange: , 1 ,, $ Mijesty,'s Government. Thai - h e admitted ~,4,.. ... fair tic in a e n n d .l . v P h i o r 1 i i . l t , m i e t r i t i a a t r y 6 b c j o c ti a T coarse v b ie ut v ,th:vo?; w ri i t t, ‘": lo ~'l , le Oen they, might. be ~met. On :equal...terms ! .6t in ..asked ,was, that tbey woui f d be pl Ain aticl 9 lleto , 1 it, st4t. if--_,,-tiistirittly,and brcadi) l .7 - '! t - Miii i " t'•iin Same` point .of allgag . cd delinquency iy_ d; buc . stets; that they , might know . What t? Ll,e!e' l 3 . 0 0 " t: a le n t 9 t t l i l l e e ru i. .. naio:prebnyt!oni)ei):6l,e:l, iepnt:r_suoef thistii3 rig's se_ ! a fio ; : Lpiate:Li to:exclude" frOin Ole v . iew 9 1. !" , : j „,l obd e . P Which .was their real ohjet ; for : that,. ,F , e n: ii c , , : „ i.3 o o: rra m il 'e n ta , , n_ n p u i r ?,.. , c v e ps i nitulacpaptaleGninte ii t o o t f il l 6 t l ' ,. e v i o . li r„ : ,,, ,.l: ,s, :of c . oo l ' ) / ,‘: ',..-MDtion . . ; li . hz , had stich..an • obje,.6t, let .ni: yroj rc:x.._ if venrci witithis..charge;.forNliiiisterswFr,crit •,, , c• ;, •t o trieet._it . . ; btle . , thsy coidd n.ot_enrer up`-"' r ot 1 -'' ' .. 4eßrice,' 01 their, cm/duff, when theY. " a . i r Coo l . c 11 ,5 fairly and ci.i'stindli -alined. Vridel, d ' o e n ' e tr y, to stances he felt it to . he his duty to his Lu ---'`''-'-- r . f: c c i I