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~-- IMPERIAL PARLIJMENL HOUSE OF PEERS. THURSDAY, JUNE 14" THE farther consideration of the claim of Sir C. Bisshopp, Bart. to the 13,rony of Zouche, which stood upon order in a Committee of Privileges this day, was adjourned till this day se'nnight. Certain Papers relative to the Appeal from the Irish Court of Chancery, Hamilton Sibthorp, were presented by Mr. REYNOLDS, and ordered to lie on the Table. The Bills upon the Table were forwarded in their resl'ec'ive stages. ' Among thee the Irish Public Accounts' Bill was read a third time and passed, and a Message sent to acquaint the Comtnons there_ with. Some private business was then disposed of, and their Lordships adjourned till to-morrow, when the Debate upon the question of the zd reading of the Aylesbury EleEtion Bill stands upon order. HOUSE OF COMMONS. THUgSDAY, JUNE 14.. Sir JOHN CANE. presented a Petition from the In. habitants of the town of Youghall, in Ireland, against the Report of the Corn Committee.-7-Ordered to lie on the Tabie. Lord IVIARsitAm reported from the Middlesex Committee, that John Islett, after having been SUIDItIVVed to attend said Committee, had disobey ed; and when he had appeared before it, had been gullty of gross misbehaviour, in consequence of which the Committee had, by virtue of the powers given them by the 28th of the King, ordered him into the custody of the Serjeant at Arms, which Order they directed him to move the House to con firm. The Order of the Committee was confirmed, and, on the Motion of Lord MARSHAM, the Serjeant at Arms was ordered to take said Islett before said Committee, as often as it should deein necessary. Mr. MANNING rriftved, that an Address be pre sented to Ht, MAJESTY, that he would be graciously pleased to order, that there be laid before the House an Account of all the Silver itnported into HIS M - jEsTY's Mint, and an Account of all the'Silver cuinel from' the 18th of March, 1797, to the rst of I.) , cember, 1803, specifying the dates at which the Bullion was received ; and that such of the Members as were of H rs MAJESTY's Privy Council fihould Aeient the same.—Ordered. Mr. G.).Eiaott moved the Order of the Day for bringing Mr. JOHN DAMEN to the Bar to be dis charged. - H.iviug been accordingly brought up, the SP F. AKER, in a very appropriate address, represented to him tile impropriety of his coddut.t, and its perni. ciou , i, but natural tendency, as it regarded either the rights of the people, or the privileges of the reuse ; but that the House, from a consideration of intxperience, and hoping that dais mark of their disapvrobation might serve as a lesson to others, were disposed to be indulgent. He was then ordered to be discharged, first paying his fees. Mr. SHAW LEI , EV RC. moved, that what Mr. Sr EAK FP, had Said in reprimanding Mr. DArxeN, `liut►ld be entered on the j•Jornals.—Ordered. The Swansea Port Improvement Bill was read a third time.—Passed. ,Mr. FOSTER brought up a Bill for amending the Laws for the internal Regulation of the Linen Ma nufacture in Ireland ; rear a first time ; ordered to lie printed. A Message from the Lords informed the House that their Lordships had agreed to the Irish Annual Accounts Bill, and to several Private Rills, without any amendment. The Attornies' Indemnity Bill was read a third time, and passed. Sir JOHN SINCLAIR brought up the Report of the Committee appointed to consider whether any, and what difference, should exist in the Duty on Malt made from Barley, the growth of England and pf Scotland.—Ordered to lie on the Table, and to be printed. On the Motion of Sir 'l'. METCALF, in the ab sence of Mr. J. I-IrLsy ADDINGTON, the Cotton Manufacc.lurers' Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed on Tuesday next. Colonel STANLEY, however, previously laid in his claim to urge his objedions against the measure In a future stage. Mr. ROSE brought up a Bill for allowing the Sale of certain East India Prize Goods in the Port of Li .yerpool; read a first time : to be read a second time to-marrow. Mr. ALE XANDER brought up the Report on the Linen Manufacture 13i11.—Ordered to be read a third time to-tmltrovv. Mr. HENRY LASCELLES obtained leave to bring in a Bill to suipend w the rq July, 1805, certain cbso:ete Statutes, subjeding Woollen Manufaau_ . tors to certain. Yenaittes, which was rendered ne cessary by what had happened yesterday. Mr. FIENitY LA•CELLES and Admiral BER4ELEY were ;appointed ro prepare and bring in the same. Sir CHARLES Bur I3URY brought up the Report f the Committee on the Coro Petitions. Before lye moved that the Report be taken into considera tion, he felt it incumbent oo him to state, that cer tain regulations which had existed in the original 'Wort, and bad given rise to apprehensions in the 'fliirds of Gentlemen from Ireland, had been erased from this Report. The H in. Baronet concluded by ttvwing, that the Report be taken into consideration on Tuesday next. Mr. FosrEtt stated, that every Gentleman who coty.idered the nature of the Report, must be con. vinced that the most essential benefits would be de rived from it, and that it had been dictated by a sentiment Of liberality. • After a few wordy from Colonel BAGW!LL, the Report was ordered for consideratiop on . Tuesday next. Mr. W'TTTBRFAD rive notice, that he should submit a Motion t, he House on the subjea of the Papers for which he ha I moved on a former day, re. epeaing the conduu'of tha Lotto ADVOCATE of Scotland. Though the Papers had not yet been laid lefore the House; ti ere was every reason to sup:. Coca that t;tey mi4ht be ready b.efoze that day, and as they were not voluminous, they would not re. qiiire much time in printing. Mr. FOSTER gave notice, that he should, on Wed nesday next, in the Committee of Supply, submit t o the House some iVntions respecting the Financial situation of Ireland. ADDITIONAL FORCE DEFENCE BILL. The CHANcELLoR of the ExcHEQuEit moved the Order of the Day for taking the Bill into fur ther consideration, and that it be re-committed to a Comenitttee of the whale House. He added, prevLus to the SPEAKER'S leaving the Chair, that the distil *bution of this Force was to be proportioned in the same manner as that of the Army of Reserve, ac-. cording to the number of persons of military age in each County, on the original principle of the diitri hution of the Militia. That 5.1.,000 men, which were to be raised for England under this Aft, would therefore be distributed in the same proportion as the 40,000 Militia which was still to be kept up. On the Clause for transferring to this Force the men due by the and the Army of Reserve, Mr. JOHNSTONE rose, and said, he objetted to the Clause alluded'to, not from his being one of those who disapproved of the Bill in Iwo, from the circumstances under which the Right Hon. Gentle man (Mr. PITT) had come into office, but because he thought the Bill totally nugatory, inadequate to the objects i ‘ n view, .and unworthy of the great talents which that Right Hon. Gentleman' possess.' ed. It commanded the people to do that which it was impossible they could be able to do; it com manded them to raise a certain number of men forthwith. He wished Gentlemen to advert to what had taken place in regard to the Army of Re serve. That body of men were nearly 9000 defi cient of their number. A great part of that defi. ciency originated in the Counties of Middlesex, Surrey, Kent, and Essex ; and he contended, that it arose not from any want of zeal on the part of the Parishes to complete their numbers, they having used every possible exertion. If Parishes were not able to raise men, by granting Bounties of 401. or 501. how was it possible that the House should flat.. ter itself that they would be enabled to raise them by the low Bounties suggested by that Bill I What ever influence the Parish Officers possessed, it was only to be found in the internal parts of the Coun try. It was impossible to suppose that Parish Offi. cers, or Church-Wardens could be instrumental in raising men in the City of London, while in the County of Middlesex alone, there was actually a deficiency of 1800 men for the Army of Reserve ; a circumstance which, he thought, arose from so many of the inhabitants not having a fixed and per manent residence when the Ballots took place.— There could not be any possible remedy in that par ticular, while at the same time the short space of 40 days, after the first meeting of the Lieutenancy, was all that was allowed to raise the men : that was a circumstance which increased the hardship in an excessive degree, by exposing Parishes to a fine of 201. for each deficiency. He suggested, therefore, that some further alteration should be made as to those particulars. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, he drew perfeetly opposite conclusions from those of the Hon. Gentleman with resped to the word " forthwith." Although that word.was used in that particular Clause, yet the time and manner in which the men were to be raised, was regulated by the subsequent Clauses. It ought to have been considered, whether or not the chance of raising men was increased or diminished. It would some.. what surprize the House to understand, that the ex perience they had had of the Army of Reserve was exceedingly favourable towards the accomplishment of what was proposed by this Bill. The total number required by the late Aa. of Parliament alluded to, was between 33,0D0 and 3.4,000 men. The num ber at - Wally raised since that Att passed, during last Session, had been 31,758 men. There were, there. fore, only about zOOO deficient of the intended number of the Army of Reserve in England. Was there then any other mode which could be adopted for the purpose of raising men with greater expedi tion ? That deficiency arose from various causes.— There were 175 z men discharged as unfit for the • service, and 590 had died, which was only a pro portion of two men in every hundred, which did not equal the ordinary bills of mortality... The re.. mainder of the deficiency arose from desertion, owing to the enormous competition and high boon. ties. The fundamental object of the Bill was to de stroy high bounties, to make the men more effec tive, and to remedy the difficulties which had oc.' curred in the execution of the Army of Reserve Att. Although particular distrias, such as London and Middlebex, &c. might require particular local pro visions, it did not argue that the means of the Country in general were not sufficient far the ac. complishment of this Act. As to the shortness of the time allowed for that purpose, it was certainly necessary and desirable to execute the object as soon as possible ; and it was well known, that in every' piece of business, the fixing of a precise and short period of time was attended with consi derable advantages in point of aaivity and exertion, while a long one proved the cause of much listlis ness and supineness. Mr. JOHNSTONE said, he really was inclined to think that the Right Hon. Gentleman who spoke last had been endeavouring to pay a handsome pane gyric to a Right lion. Gentleman (Mr. ADDING. Torsi) near him, by the favourable account he had given of the Army of Reserve A. What he (Mr. joHNsToNO had intended to express was, his doubt. fulness how it could be possible to raise such a num ber of men at a bounty of seven guineas, while in the space of five months there had only been an in crease to the Army of Reserve of Soo men, when large bounties were granted. Mr. WINDHAM s;iid, he could not rightly.un.e derstand why the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. PITT) appeared thus to be taking all the benefits of the Army of Reserve Aft, notwithstanding his former sentiments regarding it. It put him in mind of the Ancit rat Britons, who thought they suc ceeded to all the virrocs of the enemy they had kill -4A Lugh to the high bounties, he ob served, that if the memory of them could be entirely done away, the present measures might have a greater influence. It was necessary, theref re, to consider whit c!;' , 7.fi the remembrinc e o f nigh b ties thigh ', !,tub.ible tittle whic!: the aod the men could be raised, ere fines were imposed for de linquency. It was impossible to do away that ob jedion :—the Army of Reserve Bill was totally in. applicable to this one' which was new, and of Which we had had no experience. The principles of the one were totally different from those of the other, and therefore it was improper to argue from what ,had been done, while we were considering what was to be done. In regard to the Army of Reserve, it - was a fad, that the Recruiting Officers were often obliged to give way, because they could not get men ; they were forced to take those who had been rejea. ed by the Regiments of the Line. It was not there fore to be argued that the men raised were all"good who were not rejefted, because there had been a great number of them whom no Officer would have taken, had he found means to procure better. As to the deaths which had occurred amongst them, there was no proportion which, under all the cir cumstanCes, could bear a comparison with the Or dinary Bills of Nlortality. The' inference to be drawn from the statement made by the Right Hon. Gentleman, would be, that men procured in such a manner as they had been, the most infamous, the most diseased, and most debauched classes of people, were completely cured ; and that a Bounty of pl. or +oh 'to people of that description was favourable to human life. It was one of the.objeaions to this Bill, that Crimps must be had recourse to, as one of the modes to form a completion of the Force pro posed to he raised. Mr. JEKYLL objeaed to the interference of the Inspe&or with that ancient (Ace, the Deputy_ Lieutenant, so well known in this Country in the early commission of array. This person is intro duced to controul the Deputy-Lieutenant, who had been a Military Officer. The name of a Military Inspector was improperly applied ; he ought to be distinguished under the title of a Military Inqui sitor. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said, that the Hon. Gentleman was mistaken, as the Inspedor was assigned no judicial fundions ; those remained en tire with the Deputy-Lieutenant. The objea of the Inspector was not to interfere and to obstrut, but to relieve the Deputy-Lieutenant in the dis charge of a difficult duty. Sir W. YOUNG observed, that this Inspe6lor was to be sent down to intrude himself at the table of business, in his charaEer as an Officer of the Crown, and yet he is said not to possess any con. troul. He is ereded or degraded into the charader of a spy and an informer, and yet, it is said, he is to have no influence on their proceedings. Mr. ROSE said, that he had long had the honour of ailing in the capacity of Deputy-Lieutenant, and instead of finding any Officer of this description to interfere, he considered they ever accelerated the business of the Public ; and whether in the characters of Adjutants-General, or of Inspetors, he had been always happy to receive their assistance. Lord TEMPLE rose to declare, that of all the Clauses of the present objeaionable Bill, there was none more so than that now under consideration. The Deputy-Lieutenants were obliged to have a very important qualification from the County in which they aded ; the misfortune was, that a ser jeant, a corporal, or a private, in the charader of Inspedor-General, might be obtruded upon them, and upon the County, without any such qualification. The Deputy-Lieutenant would not be very much inclined to encourage such an intruder, and if this were the only impolitic Clause, the error was so gross, and the evil so prominent, that it was suffi cient to condemn the whole of the Bill. The CHANCELLOR tf the EXCHEQUER was not surprised that the Noble Lord had stated so strongly his objection to this particular Clause, and he would do him the justice to say, that he would preserve the same consistency in his opposition to the whole contents of the Bill. A Learned Gentle man (Mr. JEKYLL), had introduced into his speech some ancient lore from the British Annals, which had little application to the present subjeCt. Next, the Learned and Hon. Gentleman introduced a sort of epigramatic wit, in an allusion to military In speetors, and Ecclesiastical Inquisitors. He was al_ . ways happy to see this pleasing talent exercised in a private and familiar intercourse, but it was, per haps, less suited to the gravity and dignity of public debate in the Councils of the Nation. Thence tol. lowed some inveaive against himself (Mr. PITT), on which he was least of all inclined to remark.— But to return to the Noble Lord, who .thought a Corporal or a Private might be employed in this important duty, yet the Noble Lord would be aware, that no man was likely to be appoint ed to this important station but one of the highest military rank, with whom the Noble Lord, or the proudest man in the Country—( A general laugh !)—would sit down with petted satistaaion. All we ask is, that the Thputy-Lieutenant should receive the best information from the highest au thority, and that being so prepared, he may exercise his own discretion. This was all the insult with which he was chargeable, and it will perhaps he mat ter of astonishment to the House, that while this flagrant enormity darkened the face.of this Bill, the third reading was proceeded to, without the objec. don having once before occurred to the Noble Lord, An Hon. Friend of his had alluded to a certain bar. barous nation, whibli was supposed to have derived its virtuous habits, by a sort of transmigration, from the souls of the enemy who lay dead on the field. That Hon. Friend (Mr. WINDHAM) partakes in no respect of this savage charafter. True it is, that he has vanquished one enemy (the late Minister), but he has not derived those advantages in the field of battle which he expeCted ; and if the same civi lized spirit were not exhibited that was suited to ~his general disposition and character, it -might be attributed to this disappointment. Mr. HOE HOUSE said a few words, to which the CHANCELLOR of the EXCH EQUER made a short re- Mr. GEORGE V ANS ITTARTsaid, he was at a meeting of the Justices for the County where he re sided, and it was the general opinion on that cccasion, that not a single man would be raised by the Parishes, excepting in some insulated cases, where the unfortunate candidate for military life was either doomed to a gaol, or a halter.—( A gene ral laugh !) Lord TEMPLE objected to the returns made of men unfit for the service, and noticed an instance of one man who was considered disqualified becJwe ht, was fifty instead of forty.eight years old, ail( of another, merely because he was unsightly, rAr ' l ' 3: he could not see, but that he could not be seen his Officer with complaisance. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER that it must at all times be the interest of Gowe r ''' . ment to avoid unnecessary objections. Mr. B ATHURST mentioned three instances of persons admitted who had ruptures, merely bec:iq ,e they could at i n a Mili tar y capac i ty w i t h the assist: ance of trusses ; and t hi s was passe d ove r, althougr a . the oath required them t o d e po se , t h at t h e men were not subjed ro that complaint. Mr. FOX said, the objedions to the Bill were so numerous and so weighty, that it could bard i r proceed. A power is given to the Commanding Officer to dicharge the men sent by the Parishes' which was equivalent to enabling that Officer to im pose a fine ; and he inquired if it -were consisteuc with the prudence of the House to enable a MilitarY Officer, by this political expedient, to levy a tax the British People ? The CH A NC ELLOR cfthe EXCHEQUER said' it was not to be supposed that a Military Offic er ' thus placed in a situation of high trust, would vex; atiously injure the Army, and render incomPll e the particular Regiment he might command• , would be opposed to every motive of duty and I n. clinatiun. Mr. FOX did not imagine a House of CorntrO t ' s would be satisfied with such an answer. Youg iv : (says the Minister) to Military Officers the pow,,; to impose a Tax upon the P eo pl e , b ut i t is to Jr' t was t h t e l o ir t c c oonnssitsirteunetnfideli ty o s fthe lOi a dangerous e ; presumed it will n o t b e t h e su bj e d . o f I,.)use."„ rs reposeto fid e Ide n ce. Mr. SHE RID AY contended, it was the interest of the Army to intliel the fine upon the parishes. 1: 1 the parochi a l regu l at i ons , 7 1. or t ot. was to be pai,, by the Oversee rs f or R ecru i ts , b u t if the Officer wou ld not admit this candidate for the ranks, lie (the Oiliced was to have zol. from the parish to supplY the V3 ' cancy ; and, to use the words of a Noble Lord (TEMPLE, a much less unsightly m an might be ob.. tained for this extravagant bounty- A desultory conversation now took place, in which the last speaker and Mr. WM. DUNDAS bore the principal parts. Mr..GREY said that the Bill was absolutely in corrigible the parochial scheme was absurd and contradiaory. To show the proba bilit y of disputOs between these Inspedurs and the Deputy.Lieu te* nants, he mentioned an anecdote respefting a s trong young healthy recruit in the County he represented' He received under the Army of Reserve Bill a boun t y of about fifty guineas; the con equence was, that ha was in a constant state of debauchery for a consiu. e hs able time : one evening, dead drunk, he lay i n fo t , road, exposed to a heavy rain : a violent infif"hem tion of hi s e y es ensue d, an d he lost one o f t tho entirely. In this. situation lie was rejeaed by t he Inspector, wh ose d eterm i nat i on was resisted ang, Deputy-Lieutenant. This might be consider e f the, of those unsightly cases wi t hi n t h e meaning° lu dea Noble Lord (TEMPLE). Mr. G as t CO— a.. with ob s ervin g , th a t the burthen thrown on the .. 1 2 - ',4 rishes' under the present Bill would be s evere* ill would ultimately f a ll on the Landed 'raciest of t Country. The remaining Clauses of the Bill wer e then g through, i n t h e course of which a variety of detail and expl ana ti on occurre d, in which the pr inc l-P., speakers were, Messrs. PITT, Fox, SHER.ID;474 GREY, FITZPATRICK, BATHURsT, MUILRI9, Ltsoist, &c. . Mr. SHERIDAN asked if the Right H O D. th ° CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER 11411 d it in 4° , 1 "; ternplation to introduce a similar Bill into I relan d Mr. PITT replied, that most probably 0 1 1, 1 ‘ 4 ,, ° , 11 e : day, he should submit a Proposition to the Wm - " respelling the mode in which it was intende d g° hl ° o i ply the principle of the present Bill to tha t P all the United Kingdom. 1.-- he 10 4 The SPEAKER having resumed the Chair , ug ht port of the Committee was ordered to b e br°— up to-morrow, „ of th e Mr. JOHNSTONE moved for an Acco- r - c ite e rve deficiencies the quota for the Army °, l r„, t i and Militia, distinguishing the different Adjourned at half past Eleven o'Clock• ARgivs' MAILS. twl. Eiamburgh 2. .. PRICE OF .sT()CKS, Tim DAY AT TWELVE O'CLO eu' nn • A 57 1 • •OM. .• R Consols THE SON. SOLSM QUIS DICERS FAI.SUM LONDON, JUNE ~s► IS°4' Defence Bill yesterday went ------ Committee in the House of Comm ons, with a l e Amendments. No Division took place. T he °P position are reserving their strength for ond a Y' when they mean to make the ir grand effort again° the present Administration. n/rs:. through wa THE Yesterday evening, at six oclock, - THEllt JESTI ES, in a post.chariot, followed by the 1)8. 3- 114 ,, CEssEs and the DUKE of KENT, in two coaches tour, took an airing b y Ham p stead and 1-lidghgte• W The DUKE of CAMBRID GE arrived on eoesd3Y morning at General WHITE Lock's house, Ports; mouth, to insped the King's German Legi"' " Hikes and Forchester Barracks, of which I-115RO Highness is,Colonel. Kith )rLdollrdumNtEAL LhaLdE,yeastterrhdeayAdamlioranlgtyi.utervirvi L cours e Sir EDWARD PELLEW leaves Town in th- ll of to.morrow for Portsmouth, where he vvi his Flag on board the Cullodel, of 74 guns. Aa m viccs were reveived o n Wednesday t t he lox miralty, trom Sir A. MITCHELL, on cite station, which contain accounts of sonic capful" small vessels of the enemy on that station. 1 tei k‘.