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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. ,110CSE OF PEERS, TUESDAY, DEC. I. jtkistiteht Was given relative to the Sots Appeal, w ILKIE 2. GREIG. 'NC LO7LD CHANCELLOR delivered ments upon the case at some length, and concluded moving a proposition, the result of which was to ''''ityerse - the Decree of the Scots Codrt—arid the question being put, it was ordered accordingly; Their Lordships then proceeded to the further consideration of the Appeal Cause, Johnston, Gor don, and others, v. Watson and Ebenezer Stott.. 'll :ALEXANDER. was heard as second Counsel for the Appellants, and the ATTORNEY GENERAL, at some length for the Respondents. After which their Lordships postponed the further hearing till Thursday. The several Bills before the House were forward ed in their respective stages ; those were for the. most part Naturalization Bills, which were read a third time, passed, and messages ordered to the _Commons to acquaint that House therewith. The second reading of Hoare's Divorce Bill, whichltood for this day, and on which the House Was summoned, was postponed until (as we could collea) after the recess. Several'arrangements were made with respect to hearing Appeals. Three p - rivarels were brought from the Cozy_ irons _by Sir \V. ELrORD, which being severally read a first time, the House adjoUrned till Thursday. HOUSE OF COMMONS, TUESDAY S DEC. I. Mr. N. V ANS ITT 41 RT brought up a Report from , the Committee on Expiring Laws, the first Resolution of which was ordered to be referred to a Committee of the whole House to. morrow, and a bill was ordered on the second, SUPPLY FOR IRELAND. - . Mr. ALEXANDER brOught up the Report of t:he Committee of Supply, which was read. On the - question for agreeing to the Resolution for granting 600,0001. for the Army in Ireland, Mr. ROBSON repeated the observations he made on the preceding evening on this subjefi, remark ing, that there was no account before the House of the application of the monies formerly granted on a vote of credit. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, the Hon. Gentleman had confounded two things together which were wholly distinct. The Resolution now befor:: the House was for the pur pose of granting to His Majesty 600,0001. for the Army in Ireland, and had no relation whatever to any Vote of CrAit. All the necessary accounts would be laid before the House as soon as they could be made out ; but surely the Hon. Gentleman would not contend, that because an account was not on the Table, which hail no immediate relation to e ~übjea, that therefwe the Army in Ireland was . 4e unprovided for. ..Ir. ROBSON, in explanation, recurred to his former observations. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, he was under the necessity of again troubling the House, in order that the Hon. Gentleman might periealy understand him. The Vote of Credit alluded to by the Hon. Gentleman was wholly dna from the present Resolution, and had no re lation whatever to it. If His Majesty's Ministers should have occasion. to come down to the House for a Vote of Credit similar to the former, which he trusted they would not, they would certainly, before they asked for that Vote of Credit, bring an account of the application of the monies arising from the former Vote of Credit. The Resolution was then agreed to. On the question for agreeing to the Resolution foi , 'granting a certain Sum for raving, Cleansing, and Lighting the City of Dublin, Mr. ROBSON repeated the observations he had made on the preceding evening relative to this Re solution. The SPEAKER observed, that this was. only the Resolution of a Committee of Supply, and that there was no question how the Sum voted : was to be provided for. Mr. ROBSON then objected to the Resolution, contending that the House had nothing to do with. Paving, Cleansing and Lighting the City of Dublin, the Seventh Article of the Union having restricted the application of the public monies for local pun_ poses in Ircland,to certain manufaturing, charitable, and pious uses, which could not possibly include the Paving, Cleansing or Lighting of the city of Mr. CORRY said, the Resolutions now before the House had nothing to do with the provision for the Su in contained in it, which belonged to a Com mittee of Ways and Means. It could not he known at present how the money was to be provided for ; it might be taken from the Consolidated Fund, or from the produce of local Taxes in Ireland, or pro vided Er in some other way, as the House shOuld direa. It had always been 411 obje4 with the Par liams-nt of Ireland to grant money for this purpose, , cider that the City of Dublin might be Tet*red liable to the Metropolis of the Kingdom, The 'arliament of Ireland were indeed bound in good faith to do this, having divested the Corporation of Dublin of a part of their Funds; it had therefore regularly voted a certain Sum in_aid of the Funds of the Corporation, for the purpose specified in the Resolution. At the commencOient of the War, from the increased price of labour, and other cir cumstances, it was found necessary to increase that Sum. The paving, lighting, and cleansing the City -of Dublin having thus been constantly an objeet of attention with the Parliament of Ireland, it was brought befote the Parliament of the United Kingdom in regular course, amongst other objeas. As to the pbjedion of the Hon. Gentleo,an founded on tote seventh Article of the Aa of Ynion, it could not lie too strongly kept in mind that that Article was a stipulation on the part of Ireland, that a Sum not less than had been granted by the Parliament of Ireland during six years preceding, for certain local prposes, should be applied to the same purposes by the Parliament of the United-Kingdom. This Article was not a restrittion ; it did not restrain the Parliament of the United Kingdom from granting , arty Sim which, in its wisdom and liberality, it might deem proper for any local purpose in Ireland, but was entirely a stipulation of that Country on behalf of certain objects, to the support of which it had been accustomed to contribute certain aid. The Resolution wad then agreed to. Or -the Question for agreeing to the Resolution for g-rantinga certain Sum to the Commissioners of wide Streets;- in the City Hof Dublin, Mr. ROBSQN olific4e4 to it on the same ground as the 'former, observing, that the seventh Ar ticle of the Att of Union had not yet been satisfac torily explained to him. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, he did not think it necessary to explain the seventh Article of the Aft of Union. It most be obvious to every one, except perhaps the Hon. Gentleman him. self, that that Article was merely a stipulation on the part of Leland in favour of certain objeEls for which the ParliaMent of that Country had been ac customed to provide, and that it did not in the least fetter the liberality of the Parliament of the United Kingdom to apply any Sum to any objea of public utility in that Country. The Hon. Gentleman had spoken as if the Sums voted for the City of Dublin were to be borne by this Country, but how did he know this ? Did the Hon, Gentleman mean to say, that no local charge was borne by Ireland ? The House must be aware that there were several Sums paid out of the Civil List, and, doubtless the indus.. try of the Hon. Gentleman would discover them, which were raid for local purposes in this Country, and of which . two seventeenths were borne by Ire land. He. did not mean to assert that Great Etitain must pay fifteen seventeenths of the expence of pav ing-, lighting, cleansing, and improving the City of Dublin ; but surely it was too much to say that the whole of that expence should become a local cbarge . upon Ireland. He wished again to repeat, that the House were not now pledged to ary thing more than merely , - oting the Sum ; how it was to be pro vided for was a future consideration, Mr. ALEXANDER thought the observations of the Hon. Gentlernan,( l Kr..o.l.l , , , or;) (lid. not tend to promote that anikablennel friendly intercourse be tween the twil-Coniitriei"-'Which ought to be the re sult of the AO of Unicina' That Aet ought, !le said, to be fairly and liberally construed, and not made the foundation of cavils against trilling sums like the present, which were voted for obje6ls of utility in Ireland. He was surprised the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Ro,soN) should persist in standing singly in opposition egainst these . ll,esolutions. Mr. CORRY said, he could not ILlp calling the attention of the House to what the objedions of the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Roe.so.N) 7voud lead to, if pursued to their natural consequences. Several sums had been voted in the Supplies for Great .Bri tain, which were merely for local purposes in this Country, and with which. Ireland had nothing to do. whatever. If this was thuS to, be pursued, there was no knowing where it would end, and he could not conceive why any jealousies of this nature were to be stirred up between the two Countries. - Lord GLENBERVIE said, if tkie 7th Atticle of the Ad of Union had not been sufficiently explained to the Hon. Gentleman (Mr.RoasoN) nothing that he could say would more clearly explain it. The Resolution was then agreed to. The other Resolutions were agreed to without observation. WAYS. AND MEANS. Nif. ALEXANDER brought tip the Report of the Committee of Ways and Means, Sir JOHN PANELL wished to know if Ire land was included in the Ways and Means voted. He likewise observed, that it would be new!ticial to Ireland, if Loans were sometimes, raised there, as it would tend to keep more cas in Country, the balance of which was.at•present Much apinst it. Me CILINCELLOR of the EXCH'TQUER said, the observation of ''the Riht Hon. liaronet, with respett to a Loan to lie raised in Ireland, would not apply in The present instance, bL.:ausc it was an issue of ExchequeE . Bills. Of these, however, i,000,0001. was intended to be applied to the ser vice of Ireland. Mr. N. V ANSITT ART said a few wards to the same effea. Arr. CORRY said, that sums had been raised in Ireland by way of Loan, according to the pro posi. tion of the Right Hon. Baronet (Sir JOHN PAR NELL) and it was proposed to do so in future, so far as the Market of that Coimtry would bear it. A Bill was ordered on the first Resolution. The cIIANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved an InsttuCtion to the Gentle Men appointed to bring in the Bill to make provision Or the second Resolution. Ordered. INTERCOURSE WITH FRANCE AND OTHER POWERS. Lora' GLENBERVIE said, that upon reconsider ing the - subjed, relative to which he had given a notice of Motion on the preceding evening; he found that the Laws were sufficiently explicit with resped to the Commercial Intercourse between this Country and the Powers with whom we were lately at 'War, so as to render his Motion, in tilt general terms in which he had given notice of it, unneces sary. There was one objet}, however, remaining, to which he thought it would be necessary to apply a legislative provision, which was the intercourse by Letter, between this Country and the Power before alluded to. therefore moved for leave to bring in a Bill to remove certain restraints 'upon the In tercourse by Letter between Persons residing in Great 'Britain and Ireland and Persons residing in certain Foreigq Countries.- 7 "--4.eave was given. Lord G'Ll,gtEßVlE .. sliditly afterwards brought up the Bill, Nihich was read a first and second time, and committed for tomorrow. As dispatch was necessary, he wished, he said, the Bill might go through all the remaining stages to-morrow. BREAD. Mr. Alderman CURTIS brought up the Bill for repealing cerrai? piets of His present Majesty, relati% e to the Assize of Bread, which was read first titne. The c HANcgl,4o,) of the EXCHEQUER said, he wished to state Am)) , the grounds on which he supmted the present Bill. The Bin cc:nmonly called Alderman Skinnees Bill, had proved unsuc cessful in its provisions, and had not in its Opera tion answered the intentions either of those who proposed it, or of the Parliament by Whom it was erniaed. He could readily conceive, that previou, ,to'the Alts whiehit was now' proposed to repeal, it was the interest of Bakers to ket...R down the Price of Meal ; but that under those Atas there existed no inducement to the Baker to keep down the Price of Meal, the Price of Bread. bging,, thereby_direCted to be fixed according 'to the -prices .of Grain and Meal. it was thought, that if the PriCe.9l,-.Bread was' axed 'acct Ling 'to the prices of Grain and Meal,H Thatftlithre would -be less room for combina tion; experience, however, had proved the contrary. He thought, that if any combination-existed„ whe ther more or less, that combination could be carried on with much greater ease between the, Bakers and the Mealnaen, who all lived nearly upon the spot, than between the former and the Venders of Grain, who came from different and distant parts. There could be no doubt, that if the Price of was fixed according to the Price of Grain alone, it would he the interest of the Baker to beat down the Price of Meal as low as the Mealman could possibly'af ford to sell it. He did not mean to make any impu tation against the Bakers, of unfair combination lie believed there was no class against whom less could be imputed in that respeti. He had many objedions to leaving the Bakers to the discretion of any Magistrate, even - of the Chief Magistrate of London, He knew it had been said in the. year 177 a, when this subjeCt was agitated, that it was a protection to the Baker, who might say, when he demanded a 13rge price for his Bread in a time of ` dearth and scarcity, that it was not his price bot the price set upon it by the Chief Magistrate of . London. He believed also, that it was the wish of the Bakers that their profits should be fixed. He objetted, however, to fixing their profits, and thought the only measure that ought to be pursued -in this case was, that of getting rid of the Assize. This application to Parliament had not been made either by Bakers or by Mealmen ' but had been pro posed with a view of benefiting the - Public, There could be no doubt, that if the Price of Bread was fixed only according . to the Price of Grain, that it would be the itnerest of the - Baker to keep clown the Price of Meal as low As possible, He was con. vinCed„ hoWevir; after rnatoe consideration of the subjea, that :the best and most effeatial 'measure would be to let the Price of Bread And its own level, and entirely to get rid of the Assize. The Bill was then read a second time. Mr. Alderman C(IRTIq. moved, that the Bill he committed. The CJIANCELLQR of the EXCHEQUER said, he presumed the worthy Alderman only wished to get the Bill into the Committee, that the Blanks might be f►lled up, and the Clause's which had been alluded to, might be introduced; but he hoped the worthy Alderman did not wish them to. hurry the Bill, but to give time for its circulation. Mr. Alderman CURTIS said, it was far from his intention to press a Bill of so much magnitude improperly, or to take any, improper aclvanage: he meant to propose to have it printed and.cirai lated. The Bill was ordered to be committed to-morrow, Mr. Aldermal CURTIS said, he should to-mor, row propose, as an Instruttion to the Committee, to make provision fur the purpose of making certain Allowances to Bakers for Salt, Sze. Mr. BR AGGE called the attention of the Houie to the Order of the Day, for taking into considera tion the Resolution respecting the Interference of Peers in Elections ; he said, as the House was so thin, he should propose to put off the further con. sideration of it till after the Recess. He therefore moved to put it off till the Ist February, which was agreed to. Mr. NEWBOLT moved the Order of the Day for taking into consideration the Poor Badge Bill. Mr. SHAW LEFEI'RE disapproved of the pre sent -; but even if it were to pass, he thought that ; several alterations ought to be made in it, therefore,4 ( shoilld propose to recommit the Bill, particularly as an idea had been suggested of refer ing the whole system of the Poor Laws after the Recess, to a Committee above Stairs. Mr. NEWBOLT supported the Bill, and con. tended,. that if the Hon. Member meant to propose any ,amendments, he might do it upon the Report being brought up, or by way of rider, on the third reading. Lord G LENBERyIE said he approved highly of the Bill, because he had a most inveterate dis. like to the plan of Badging the Poor ; it was put. ting a stigma upon misfortune, while it was no check whatever upon the idle and dissolute Poor. When the Ad in question passed, it certainly was not the intention ofi . the Legislature to make the Poor wear badges as a mark of disgrace, but it could not be denied that it would now be ' , considered in that light, and therefore he hoped that system would not be continued. As to what the Hon. Gen. tleman had said about referring the whole 'system of the Poor Laws to a Committee above stairs, he had never heard such an idea thrown out, and he should have been very sorry to have heard it, be cause the House must recoiled that one of the most able men that ever sat ,in that House, (the late Chancellor of the Exchequer) in one of the most do. quent speeches that ever was delivered in it, express ed his intention of entering into a revision of our Poor Laws, but after having made considerable pro. gress in it, he found it impracticable. to proceed. Mr. ELLISON differed totally from the Noble Lord; he by no means considered badges as disgrace, ful to the Poor, though he hoped he felt as much for their wants, and wpuld do as much to relieve them as any of those who were of a different opinion upon the subjet badging.—He should therefore oppose the Bill, and this, system of new-fangled humanity, which would only tend to encourage idle.. ness. The CHANCZLLOR qftbe E4CHZQUER said, every body knew the purity of the motives of the Hon. Gentleman who spoke last, ,as well us of the other Hon. Gentleman (Mr. S. LEFEVR e), who op posed this Bill, and was sorry it could be for a moment supposed that any reflation could be thrown out upon them. He confessed he was one of those who thought ;hot too mods was sometimes said in that House about die sufferings, and e c cefi t , about the merits of the Poor. Benevolence -0, 6IG caused language to be used which prudence vf° c. not warrant, and not unfrepently prevented the complishrnent of those objects which it . wi3lied cor; tain. There were occasions, however, upon Win, feel , it was sometimes impossHe to restrain one's ings bat it would be Jiard, indeed, to consn it as a stigma upon those who entertained differel sentiments. Every body certainly approved of n 4310 f Elizabeth, but it. should be recuiletted the A6t now proposed toi?C (ef pled was, not r bg of our old system of Poor Lkiwi. If if - 0 4 fetf e , was sure- it would - not find atili?prient rl dt ble Lord who had spoken upon thisYsubjea. y se confessed he disapproved of the f l a n di Badgingb Poor, upon the principles laid d own by the N . ° ll _,, Lord, and therefore was decidedly i n favour of Pr Bill. Sir T 110111,45 FR /121 7 . CL D said, he ill' heard, from undoubted authority, that the Aay." l'.ing William was c o nsid er ed mere ly as an expert mental Bill at the time it was brought ; that plan was imported from Holland, but that it to succeeded in this Country. Admiral BERKELEY opposed-the Bill lit he had u} (..0 IL former occasion used the expresgif: the arrogan._ et the Poor tiLe - faa he alluded was, that some poor per#ons in his neighbl hood, when they appliedfot relief, "threatened j i Overseers, that if it was n o t grante d t h e y st° l join the French,' who were soon expefted to in this Country.• Mr. ALEXANDER said, that though the ptri ; ties under the present MI had not been enforced"., certainly was in the power of a ny p ers on, pay , ' cularly in populous Parishes, to ruin an Oversee-F.& The Report was then agreed t o , a nd the P . was ordered to be read a third time to-morroW• se , The Irish Corn' Impoitation Bill was read a cond time, and was ordered to h e co mmitted tv - A , morrow. The Hamburgh Naval -Store Bill was read a thi s time, and passed. Adjourned at haiflast seven o'clock till to-1 10. row,. From tke LQNDQN GAZETTev .etc. ;, 4801' 'got. The King has been pleased to constitute and sr, point Sir Andrew Snape Ham mon d, Bart. He..6.0] D,unean„ Es 9, Sir John Henslow, and Sir Wilin7 l ,, q Rule, Knights, William Palmer, Esq. Sir Bellingham, Bart. Harry Harmo o d, S amu el 4 -7,", f , bier, Francis John I - Inkwell, Benjamin roc k et , Charles Hope i Isaac Coffin,. and Robert facoha v t ; Esqrs, Sir Charles Saxton, Bart. John Nict , o lo Inglefield, Esq. and Sir Alexande r John Ball, B tif 3r .; Priacipal Officers and. Commis s io ners o f kik 1 Y" jesty's Navy. awnivivrts in Mr West and East HalTlYollinteeT Assoc:AO signed ly His 11,1qiesiy. PANci Oel!Gbr 19" I,Bqt. Ensign William Sayre to, be Lieutenant vies igete4f, ceased. Wm. Gren,b,ip,, gent. Wke gns3srs, vOc $' roinoteci t • 4 , II , I.KRUPTs. Michael,Bourk, late of Neva-square, London , sUiPsell Er ' sutrender December 5, xl, ankl January hall, Att9rney, Mr. W. j4c,kw,p, Garclen-court,Tcfps, Archer Whiting, or Long-twr.:- c . pAch-rnal.er , I.)Cces;local, 12, and ti t lary q, at ten, a: N., ui.10411. AttornYß v Barnet:,'Solto.square. - rob‘ i Doniel Hodgkins, of Liverpciol, brush- l .m l" *. 2 lx t . .,er se ,, n' D a ::;.ol: 22, 23, atft lanuar y . r. 7, at twelve, at tlie. Gl obe io , _,.. e tt Liverpool. Attornles, Mr. G. Rowe, Harrington-. s "Sch Liverpool; or it,L;ssral Coooer and 1,.0we, South.:Anrr ~ Buildings, London. , It Samuel Calvert, late of I,..iverpool, de;lcy,pccgrtba.r e 'esi . _ _..• • thxe, 3t, at ten, at the otticre of Mess y. Lojlinsana ``f t StatfOrd, and lanuary tz, at eleven, at the Crown,Ktwi.ito StaffOrd. Attoriiies, Messrs. .Price and Wit14111%4 coin's. inn, London; or Messrs. col Zips and Kcen,,Stin, George Merriman, now or late of Stockpott, th t esterici`is December 29,3 Q, and [actuary 12, at twelve, at the Os,'•irs4 Spital, Lincolnshire. Atturnies, Mr. S. Fisher, ''' co wr burgh; or Mr. I. Spencer ItOung,.Carlisle-stmt square. Jan. S. John Claude Rieder, LIU of London-Hou s e 4 . 3113' bookseller;-at ten„ ' 1 04 Dec. 22. Cristopet Wetherherd,, , late •of Liverpool , . 1 . chant, at ten, at the - Star and Garter Taxech leivc• t r ° ol' s Dec. 22. Stephen Artatal the Younger, of Pinner,. s' keeper, at eleven, at Guildhall: , Dec. az. George Gwinnett, of Bristol, cotn,fael. ° '' eleven, at the Kummer Tavern, Bristol. s ll ' Dec. 29. George Fletcher, of Knightsbridge, haclali stable-keeper, at eleven, at Guildhall. ~fo o rfi Dec. 22. John Ashburner, now or late of Bolton-le-M cot toil- sp i nner„ at ten, at Spencer's Tavern„ 111 arfelic. s io Dec. 29. John Marshall and John Longcake, of Worit l mercers, at eleven, at the King's-Anna, Whifehaven;./ 0 Dec. 24. Moses Eadon, of Manchester, merchant, at e t ` at the Star Inn, Manchester. _,,p Dec. 24. James Higson and Thomas Tasker, of Live r linen-drapers, at three, at the Star Inn, Manebester . ,, Dec. 22. lames Bond, of Brightlingsea, Essex, bute l " ten, at the Three Cups I nn, Colchester. e. ett Dec. 22. Thomas Millar and fames Hulme, of Mafic."Porl' dealers in weft, at three, it the Commercial InPA cheger. CERTIFICATE. Dec. 21. Thomas Parkinson, a Beverley, miller. THE SUIT. •OLIM QUI3 DICIRI TALsum ntlbsAT? LONDON, DECEMBER z, 1801 I f O. Tests morning two of the six Hamburgh m -41 0 4 which were due, reached Town. These believe, the second and third. Our Letter s n(l j these from Hamburgh, are dated the 1 011 18th ult.—By these we learn, that. the 'Post e were expelled to have entirely evacuated, the noverian Dominions before the end of last By an article from Milan, of the 24th of °' appears that on the loth of that month an d had taken place at Patio Ferrajo, the Iloilo having been reinforced by soo Corsicans an d Malt o,.et brought by Sir JOHN WARREN, and in c onseque o of which the Garrison had made a Sortie unti conduit o conduit of Mr. GRANT, the late Consu l at 0,1 horn, and gained some Cenllderebk adVarltag°' :111 A the,follo% the ?relic lion of H . 11 A162. E -ilia- WI Three :garrison a J - It Will that tie k :distingAs. 1 4 1;e P oven, a gone to Three bring not tame due MARQ' every rea lion at f ° l 'in the onversed Part of tk bring the ceive, Cllity ris During N AP A RTE l'as said t State, as homivga b Pon all ItEHALE parry Lorc kATTLAV •apable o overnmt interest 01 he restore the into 'vest Ina YesterC triages ah kt time , tier R lb -eu ye "ILLoul W IL IY", a t I PiCsent His E) atulici Iveek. in a The po 'ranee. 13 This r L tough t 'twenty p turd a •Xellequei~ll 20,00 c he 38 c w ere deli Il an was Xchequei t PersOns qls t o bt PI w hich wit Di * there til t h. kct ve re bow of tl I L S ‘week funded.