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_$ \ ~~ ~ ~.t~ 4 ivied mil lnry L'ed the NUMBER 9269.1 le 9th • a ph/ Rougi I sider - Ise wa s c 130 P ed tilt ; Cul u" 10' • ht, dh 4 ,- 4 ,b0, , g, , toiv brs v re, r n bit• rl te. j. 1 317 4. fl er ,„ DP- ce. od 0 4 1 5 , 0 he val sti C hire' cli , lilAb,eiro. prt• 00 , 00 0- 0. - , tel'' 11/ 0 oa lleY V . °‘ be or " ri t Devol t iOt the: i eat t ri Dj to 0 e to he hit ` n of wif e ' pro • dn. to 0 ,1 acc t. k . na- 0 tho le, de' lyand of 13 t; [lePhe'ells r• F°l'. ge nt ,„, • ; the 'ERMANENT RELIEF for the IRISH PEASANTRY, and the BRITISH AGRICULTURAL and MANU FACTURING LABOURER, by MEANS of ECONO MICAL EDUCATION and EMPLOYMENT, and a greater FACILITY in the EXCHANGE of the PRO DUCTS of their LABOUR. T HE FRIENDS of the above CAUSE are re quested to MEET at the CITY of LONDON TA. V ERN, on WEDNESDAY NEXT, the 15th instant.—The Chair is to be taken at Twelve o'Clock precisely. Bedford-square, May 9. ROBT. OWEN. NOTICE. --(GOODS IN KING'S WAREHOUSE.) Customhouse, London, 24th April, 1822. lIEREAS sundiy Goods, subject to Duties of Customs and Excise, have remained in his Majes ty's Warehouse, in the Customhouse, London, beyond the time allowed by Law, viz. Three Months, — The Commissioners of his Majesty's Customs do hereby give NOTICE, that unless the Duties due on the said Goods are fully paid, and the Goods taken away from the said Ware house, on or before the 31st of May next, they will be imme -diately disposed of according to Law. By Order of the Commissioners, (Signed) G. DELAVAUD, Sec. 4000 stle- rrive 4' das :toT of ars of ant of Pic; !, an. 0 7001. could YO3 ID iitted, rticles 1. CO the „ c .,.. ''' 6 .., a/p-✓ ~, ,-- i -- ci, y / ..MH: ARMY CONTRACTS. Commissariat Department, Treasury Chambers, May 4, 1822. NOTICE is hereby given to all Persons de sirous of contracting to supply the following articles for the Use of the Army, viz.:— BREAD—To his Majesty's Land Forces in Cantonments, .Quarters, and Barracks, in the under-mentioned County:— Essex. BEEF and MUTTON, to his Majesty's Land Forces in t antontne n t s , Quarters and Barracks, in the undermen boned County:— Durham. °A IN, to his Majesty's Cavalry in Cantonments and Quar . (eri in the under-mentioned County: Monmouth. F ORAGE, viz. —OATS, HAY, and STRAW—To his Ma 3estY's Cavalry in Barracks, and Oats, in Cantonments and Quarters, in the under mentioned Counties : Northampton, Warwick. Ant! Oats, Hay, and Straw, to his Majesty's Cavalry and Artillery Horses, in Barracks; and Oats in Cantonments, 44(1 Quarters, in the under-mentioned Counties, viz.:— Essex, Lancaster. That the Deliveries are to commence on and fur the 25th d ay of June next; that Proposals in writing, sealed up and larked "Tender for Army Supplies," will be received at thi s 'ice on or before Monday, the 27th of May instant; but. llone Will be received after Twelve o'Clock on that day. Proposals must be made separately for each County, and the Proposal must have the Letter whi c h is annexe d t o "e Tender properly filled up, by Two Persons of knoWn Pt° Perty, en gag i ng t o b ecome b oun d w ith t h e P arty ten ti:lug; in the amount stated in the printed Particulars, for , b — l h e due Performance of the Contract; arid no Proposal be noticed unless made on a printed Tender, and the C 4 ie ", expressed in Word s a t • length ; and should it so I Veil that during the continuance o f the Contract no 1, t ops should b e su ppli e d by v i r t ue o f th e same , th e amoun t tn.. . he Stamps on the Contract and Bond, paid in the first apse by the Contractor, shall be refunded to him. at part iculars of the Contracts may be bad upon appli ca ti on p h ese Chambers, between the hours of Ten and Four. o iti ' roples of the read and Meal may be seen at this ..,....!belWeen the hours B of Tweive and Two. PUPIL. CLERGYMAN of the ESTABLISHED Mil.. CHURCH, married, and resident within Twelve ai ld -3 "f London, receires a FEW PUPILS into his Family, tlet l auld be g lad t o fill up a V acancy w i t h t h e S on of a ton lni emark, whose Health or Education re qu ir e s m o r e t h an L on attention. bu o t ks i te, , :s to b eladdressed to Reverend T . N. Mr. Triphooles, 23, Old Bond-street, London. %)e 0 FOR PROMOTING THE ENLARGEMENT Ir.- By OF CHURCHES AND CHAPELS. - "E ANNUAL GENERAL MEETING 414,„ 1 , t his SoCIETY,wiII be held at their ROOMS, 32, day i h n ,.s Inn Fi e ld s , by a dj ournment , f rom t h e Third l'hurs nsia,alaY (being Ascension Day), to MONDAY, the 20th /1.4 1a -41 1 Grace, the Archbishop of ATERBURY, the s Chair at Twelve o'Clock piecise CN ly. W. JOHNSON RODBER, Sub-Secretary, Lincoln's Inn Ficlds, 9, 1822. i th, U; LITERARY FUND SOCIETY. , THIRTY-THIRD ANNIVERSARY I.9soNMr,E,ETING of this SOCIETY will be held at FREE his le TAVERN, on TUESDAY, May 21, 1822. Th e ° jai Highness the DUKE of YORK in the Chair. ilFeward rresident, Vice-Presidents, Council, Committee, f ,Y, th e and Subscribers, will feel honoured and gratified t r ittid e 'alnany of Visitors who are lovers of literature, and A t rary d . ° o the principle of the Society—that of alleviating li tnhors,, l r e e f s t si ti a p n e d nu r r e y l . ieving the Widows and Orph;os of PATRON. HIS MAJESTY, THE KING. PRESIDENT. His Gra ce th e Duke of SOMERSET. f a . VICE-PRESIDENTS. t4A9ness of Hastings, K.G. ari SPen cer. K.G. ' 4,1,1 Chichester Vise °f Nlountnorris 1/4eoaunt Torrington I, ord i l i n t Dudley and Ward v L ord d ra ndan - ', l : 1 . _e bunstanville *.rringt ots 441:1am Clayton, Bart. 'Cox Hippisley, Bart. 1 li!.11 . STEWARDS. sttzs.ith,";„Lordl3p.ofSt.David's Thomas Campbell, Esq. t h i fton. Lord Macdonald George Colman, Esq. Kitht aoi.• Lord Gwydir Archibald Constable, Esq. „It.ttio`laa•Lord Nugent M.P , Thomas Gent, Esq. Sir jo_a• Lord J. Itu.ssell'lV.P. Frederick Wm. Hope, Esq. ttt tio un E. Swinburne , 'l3art. Henry Neele, Esq. C:lia ri n• Robert Peel. M.P. Thomas Moore, Esq. lid h eB Ten 1 1 - , 31 -H Y'on, Esq. M.P. James Smith, Esq. l'ili. anshard Esq. F.S.A. Dawson Turner, Esq. F.R.S. Ite:lara Bowle s •• IV . I ,Es q• George Whittaker, Esq. i liam Lisle 13owles. Matthew Wyatt,.Esq. 1 ti.ricket, Dinne r on Table at Six precisely. ", a . ' 2° '• each, to be had of the Stewards; of the e , 1 4 . t lind Collector at the Societ 'h e 'n Fi elds • and Y f he Tavern. 4 1) Annu al ` . at the Bar o t 's Chambers, No. 4, Lin °nat. -• ~uuscription is One Guinea, and and upwards; 4 trL - ion of T • Iner f or t , fe era Guineas, or upwards, constitutes a Sub- Sir Robert Peel, Bart. Sir Wm. Weller Pepys, Bart. Sir Benjamin floblionse,Bart. Owen Williams , Esq. M.P. C. Harrey,Esq. M.P. F.S.A. J. Symmons, Esq. F.R.S. and F.S.A. John Ansley, Esq. Alderman Thomas Rowcroft, Esq. -William I'. Fitz-Gerald, Esq. ROYAL ACADEMY, SOMERSET-PLACE. T HE EXHIBITION of the ROYAL ACA DEMY IS NOW OPEN. Admission (from Eight o'Clock till Seven) One Shilling.. Catalogue One Shilling. • R. HOWARD, 11.. A. Sec. THE TWO MARYS VISITING the SE. PULCHRE of CHRIST.—Mr. HALL'S LARGE PIC TURE on this Subject is NOW OPEN, at-No. 54, PALL MALL—Admission Is. This Day was Published, price As.,. AN ACCOUNT of, a PLAN, which has been successfully pursued for three years, in the Conducting of a PENNY SAVINGS' BANK for CHIL DREN, with the addition of a Working Fund for Females; including Directions and Patterns for cutting out every sort of wearing Apparel for Girls, Shirts and Pinafores for' Boys, and Linen usually-lent to the Poor, together with the price allowed for making each article. _ _ Printed for F. C. and J. Rivington, 42, St. Paul's Church Yard, and 3, Waterloo-place, Pall-mall.' This Day. was Published, handsomely printed in t•vol. Bvu. price Bs. boards, . . AN ACCOUNT of a NEW PROCESS 'in PAINTING. In Two Parts.—Part I. Containing, Remarks on its general Correspondence with the Peculiarities of the Venetian School.—Part. 11. Supplementary Details, ex planatory of the Process; with Miscellaneous Observations on the Arts of the Sixteenth Century. Printed for F. C. and, J. Rirington, 62, St. Paul's Church yard, and 3, Waterloo . ..place, Pall-Mall. " It has fallen to our lot, since we commenced our labours, to 'recommend to thei attention of our readefs la great variety of what are called imifortant publications; but.we are very far fro'u certain—and we wish to speak without exaggeration —whether any Work has been brought before our notice, for many years, involving the possibility of more important re sults than is to be found in the small volume which now lies before us."— (British Critic, Dec. 1821. PAJILIAME NT, HOUSE OF LORDS, THURSDAY, MAY 9. SCOTCH PEERS. Their Lordships met at three o'clock in a Com mittee of Privileges on the Resolutions of the Earl of Roseberry relative to the election of Re presentative Peers for Scotland, and sat with closed doors till half-past four, when the House was opene.d to the public. A short time after, The Earl of SHAFTESBURY reported that the Committee of Privileges had approved of the Noble Earl's Resolutions. His Lordship then moved that they be taken into consideration on Monday next.—Agreed to. The LORD CHANCELLOR, at the request of the Earl of Blesinton, communicated to him by letter, postponed the further consideration of the Irish Deeds Registry Bill till Wed nesday next. ' The Marquis of CORNWALLIS presented several Peti tions from Occupiers of Land in the County of Suffolk, pray ing for relief and protecting duties.—Laid on the table. DISTRESS IN IRELAND. The Earl of DARNLEY finding that the Noble Earl at the head of his Majesty's Government was not in his place, nor likely to be this evening, should think it his duty to call his attention to-morrow to the distress which prevailed in several parts of Ireland. The accounts which came from that country were every day more and more appalling, and he should wish to know from the Noble Earl whether any and what measures had been taken to relieve that distress. BANK CHARTER. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE, in the absence of the Noble Earl at the head of the Treasury, would only move for certain Returns which he knew would not be opposed, as they had been granted in the other House. They were Returns of the respective periods at which the Charter of the Bank of England had been renewed from 1722 to 1822, stating the num ber of years of which each extension consisted, and the con ditions on which ,it had been granted. He had also intended to move for returns of the number of Banks in England, consisting of six, of three, or of four partners; but although he did not expect that the motion would he opposed, yet as the returns might be difficult to make, h e s h ou ld suspen d his motion till the Noble Earl was preseht. His object was to ascertain how far the law, as it ;low stood, had been acted upon, and to enable the House to judge of the advantages which the country was likely to derive from the proposed extension of the right of banking. Had the Noble Earl been present, he should also have wished to inquire whether, in any manner, the Commis sioners of the Sinking Fund might not be enabled to attend at the bargain which was to be struck to-morrow, in order to ascer tain whether it would not be advantageous, as he conceived it would, that they should take it instead of any other Contrac tors. His Lordship then moved for the Returns relative to the Charter.—Ordered. The Countervailing Malt Duties' Bill was read a third tine, and passed. The Scotch Malt Duties, the Scotch Creditors, and the Irish Linen Bounties Bills went respectively through Committees, and were reported.—Adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS. AGRICULTURAL PETITIONS. Mr. FELLOWES "presented a petition from the Owners and Occupiers of Land in the county of Huntingdon, and pray ing that the House would not adopt the plan of relief suggest ed by the Hon. M ember for Portarlington. Sir C. COLE presented a petition from certain Agriculturists of the county of Glamorganshire to the same effect. The Hon. Member stated this County was verging:to the extreme of dis tress, and almost despair. Mr. CURTEIS presented a similar petition from the Eastern part of Sussex.—The petitions were ordered to lie on the table. CRIMINAL LAW. Mr. MABERLY presented a petition from the Inha bitants of Abingdon, praying for a Revision of the Criminal Law. Mr. COURTENAY presented a petition from the Inha bitants of Exeter, praying for a revision of the Criminal Code, with a view to mitigating its severity, and rendering the inflic tion of punishment more certain after condemnation. The Hon. Member stated his concurrence with the sentiments of the petitioners. - Mr. R. MARTIN presented a petition from certain persons lately summoned to serve as Juries at the Old Bailey, praying for a mitigation of the severity of the Criminal Code. The Hon. Member impressed on the House the importance of the feelings of persons of this description on such a subject.—Or dered to be printed. SALT TAX. Mr. GOOCH presented a Petition from the inhabitants of Lowestoft, praying for a repeal of the Duty on Salt. SEDITIOUS MEETINGS AMENDMENT BILL. The Report on this Bill was brought up ; and the Amend ments having been agreed to, it was ordered to be read a third time on Thursday next. • CATHOLIC PEERS. Mr. COURTENAY presented a Petition from- he Mayor alty and Citizens of Exeter, against the introduction of a Bill to empower Catholic PeerS to sit in the House of Lords. He did not concur in the sentiments of the Petitioners in this case, but he was bound to say that he believed they expressed the feelings of the Inhabitants of the City of Exeter. Lord EBRINGTON said, that he believed the Petition last presented did not speak the sentiments of the majority of the -, , .•*,,,,P. 1-s .•-tc.) ,----- ,- - ~.. ~ ,e ,. ~,,, P . .. Vi i ( ~, .. „.9.4 • " 0 . 4 , - 4 J.: ,)-...,. "tlß t': k Vfi li 'll, s 4"4‘ /77 ' '7 ‘ et-it ov C '' lf_______ FRIDAY, MAY 10,. 1822. The Order of the Day having been read for resuming the adjourned debate on the Report of the Agricultural Committee, The Marquis of LONDONDERRY moved that the Speaker should leave the Chair. ' Mr. DENISON wished to say a few words on the subject. In his opinion none of the proposed Resolutions hall any ten dency to remove the existing evil, which arose out of un bounded taxation, and the rapid restriction . of the circulating medium. With respect to the latter subject, as his Hbn. Friend (the Member for Essex), had given' notice of a motion on the subject, he would postpone any observations upon it until that opportunity should arrive. With respect to taxation it was pressing agriculture down to utter ruin. If Government would turn their attention to that subject, he was persuaded they might keep faith with the public creditor, arid yet repeal two millions and a half of taxation. That would be only half the sum now appropriated to the Sinking Fund. If the Taxes on Leather, Salt, Tallow, and Candles, were repealed, it would afforcl a considerable relief both to the grower and to the consumer of agricultural produce. He was sorry to see a pre valent disposition in all the various classes of the community, the land-owners, the fund-owners, and the ship-owners, to shift the burthen from their own shoulders upon the shoulders of others. If Ministers would consent to give relief by a re mission of taxation, all classes would with more willingness bear their remaining burthens. The House then resolved itself into the Committee. Lord ALTHORP said, that although he yesterday troubled the House with the - general view which he took of this ques tion, he wished to explain more fully his view of the situation in'which the question stood. The question, then, was this : His Honourable Friend, the Member for Portarlington, had moved a set of Resolutions for imposing an import duty on foreign wheat, of 20s. a quarter, to descend by Is. a year, until it fell to 10s. ; and for giving a bounty of 7s. a quarter on _the exportation of British wheat. The Amendment which he pro posed was to impose an import duty of 20s. without any de scending scale, and to give a bounty on exportation of 18s. a quarter. He had yesterday detailed to the House the calcula tions which convinced him that the lowest price at which foreign grain could come to this country, with a duty of 20s. was 655. a quarter. On the other hand, he was of opinion, if there were a bounty on exportation of 18s., that, on the average of years, corn could be exported from tis country with advantage when ever the price fell to 435. It followed, therefore, that under such a regulation, the lowest price of corn in this country would he 435. a quarter, and the highest price 655. Among the re solutions which had been proposed to the Committee, there was one for admitting the foreign corn now warehoused in this country, at a lower price than corn from abroad. Of that pro position he very Much approved ; for he was persuaded that it would prove highly advantageous. The farmers would not be exposed at one and the sometime to the importation from foreign countries, and to the influx from the warehouses. To admit the foreign corn warehoused to come into the market in the first instance, might, perhaps, by the effect which it would hav e on the market, prevent the foreign corn, direct from the Continent, from coming at all. Mr. RICARDO considered the argument of the Noble Lord to be at variance with some of his admissions. Notwithstanding what had been said of the property embarked in Agricultural pursuits, he doubted if it were greater than the dead capital of Town from which it purported to come.—The Petition was or dered,to lie on the table. COUNTRY BANKS. Mr. GRENFELL moved for a return of the number of Country Banks in England and Wales, and of the number of Partners in each, as far as the same. can be furnished. He wished for the return in order. to enable the House to judge how far the proposed extension of the number of partners was judicious. 'Mr. BRIGHT seconded the motion, and observed that in his opinion,the proposed extension would be productive ofgreat - inconvenience. • -A message' from the Lords announced their Lordships' assent to several private Bills. - Mr. It. MARTIN postponed the motion for the second read ing of the Capital Crime Amendment Bill, to the 17th inst. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL obtained leave to bring in a Bill to amend the Act of, last Session, for the expediting of business in the Court of King's Berich. The Hon-Gentleman was happy,to say that the provision of this Act did not appear to be requisite. PASSENGERS' REeTT. 4 ITION BILL. • Mr. LUSHINGTON obtf.ined leave- ter-bring in a Bill to alter and amend• tha laws regulating the passage vessels of the United Kingdoni. The Recognizance Regulation Bill was read a second tim , and ordered to be committed on Tuesday next. Mr. LUSHINGTON brought up copies of the correspon dence between his Majesty's Government and the Governor and Company of the Bank of England.—Ordered to be printed.' FOREIGN CORN. Sir T. ACLAND presented a Petition from Devonshire, against that part of the Agricultural plan which.proposecl to take bonded corn out of the warehouses when the price rose to 655., as highly injurious to the interests of the native farmer. TAXATION. Sir T. LETHBRIDGE gave notice that he would, on the 30th itlst. submit a ResOlution on the unequal state of Taxa tion, more particularly relative to the parochial and county taxation, as affecting the.landed interest—(Hear, hear!). DUTY ON TALLOW CANDLES. Mr. SYKES said he rose, pursuant to -notice, to move for he Repeal of the. Duty on Tallow Candles, when he was inter rupted by The Marquis of LONDONDERRY, who appealed to the Hon. Member to defer his motion, in order to allow the ques tion which occupied the - House for several nights to proceed to a decision. If he had the goodness, to waive his claims, and allow the main business to p r oc ee d, he could take any other day for his motion which might suit him. Mr. SYKES said, there was no one more willing to obli ge the Noble Lord, and to consult for the disposition of the House, than himself ; but the fact was, he had twice already post poned his motion ; once when Members did not choose to come down to discuss it, and again in deference to a motion of the Right Hon. Member for Liverpool. Besides he really thought there was-no qUestion now before the House of superioram portanee. His motion went to relieve the" Agricultural interests by the remission of part of the taxes, and he must say, that if he did not take this opportunity t o slim why the tax to which his motion referred should be remitted, he should most pro bably. have no other opportunity during the time of his attend ance in the present Session. If therefore it pleased the House, he would proceed to the discussion. Mr. Secretary PEEL begged to submit tosthe consideration of the Hon. Member, that although he should be of opinion that his motion for the repeal of the Duty on Tallow was as important as the one now before the House, yet surely the latter must have become more important by having undergone three nights' discussion, and it was of,greater moment that it should proceed to a decision that night—(Hear, hear !)—lf the Hon. Member perAisted in his motion now, it was probable that the Agricultural question must be postponed to Monday night, as the discussion of the Bill on the Catholic Peerage was to come on to-morrow (this day), and it would probably occupy a long time. He put it to him, therefore, whether he could wish to postpone the decision on a question so long, which involved so many, and such important interests, and which was con nected with so much speculation. He hoped that in this view of the subject he would allow the House to proceed to the dis c ussion—(H ear hear ! ) • Mr. BRIGHT, said that he believed a question of great commercial importance was fixed for Monday. Lord LONDONDERRY observed, that the Right Hon. the Chancellor of the Exchequer had a _proposition to submit relative to a remission of taxes, and he thought it but reason able that Hon. Gentlemen should wait to hear the general state ment of Government on this subject before they moved for the repeal of particular taxes. Sir 111. W. RIDLEY entreated his Hon. Friend to _ post pone his motion. Mr. SYKES said, in point pf fact, there was ro difference as to the bearing of his question and the adjourned one, as both were proposed for the relief of the Agricultural Interests. He believed that if he postponed his motion now he would have no opportunity of bringing it on within the limits of that time,in which-it would be convenient for him to attend his duty in that House.—He however knew the difficulty of addressing the 1-louse on any occasion, and he knew that difficulty was in creased tenfold by addressing an unwilling audience. Having been addressed by both sides of the-House to postpone his mo tion, he would accede to so general, a request—(Hear, hear !) —And he would therefore put off the question to the 17th of May. After a few words from Lord Althorp, Mr.- Sykes, Mr. G. Bcnnet, Mr. Peel, Mr. Curwen, and Mr: Ellice, as to the propriety of the day, it was finally postponed to Friday, the 17th. AGRICULTURAL REPORT. - ~ C t ... 1 - : - 's-i•t:- ' , ...'.4-• 0.. .4, „ t ..?"..4. X. r * • . ' 0 the manufacturing interest. An Hon. and Learned Gentleman had said, that almost the whole cost of Agricultural produce was made up of land. He did not consider that a great deal of property lay dead in buildings, in seed in the ground, in horses, and other articles connected with the labour of the farmer. But then the manufacturers had much capital lying dead in machinery, and in the works which were necessary to carry on their business. The proportions of capital thus employed he believed to be much greater than had been stated, and therefore, in legislating on this subject, he thought but little allowance ought to be made for the large capital_ claimed as being em ployed exclusively in Agricultural pursuits. The ten shillings duty on imported corn, which he was disposed to allow, was in fact more than could be given, strictly adhering to the principles for Which. he had contended. He had proposed that sum, considering The farmers to bear the poor's rates, the county rates, and the tithes in full. But poor's rates were also paid by the manufacturer, though not in the same proportion as by the Agriculturist. If he strictly kept to his principle, instead of ten he should have named but seven shillings.. The difference between seven and ten shil lings_ was at all events fully sufficient to cover the differ ence between the situation of the agriculturist and that of the manufacturer, to which allusion had been made. He would now notice what had fallen from the Honourable Mem ' ber for .Corfe Castle. He (Mr. Bankes) - had talked much of the wisdom of their ancestors. He (Mr. Ricardo) Would. ad mit that our ancestors did undoubtedly possess great wisdom ; but he did not hesitate to say that in his opinion the present generation possessed all the wisdom of their 'progenitors, and a little more into the bargain.—(A laugh.)—According 'to the principle for which that Honourable Gentleman contended, we ought to rest exactly where we had been left by our ancestors, and in no instance attempt to get forward for ourselves. But the present generation had proved themselves capable of im proving on what had been done by their forefathers. They had invented steam-boats, gas-lights, and many other things of great value and importance, and were therefore not to be viewed as at all inferior to those who had lived before them. They ought not therefore to say, because the nation had flourished. in their time, that nothing more could be done for it now. The argument Which the Honourable - Gentleman had used in this case might be applied to another subject. He might say that our ancestors had incurred a debt, that with that debt the nation had flourished, and therefore it would be very unwise to attempt in any way to get rid• of it. He might as well urge this as what he had actually advanced. The argu ment would be as good in the one case as in the other. He. called the attention of the House to the situation in which the country would be placed, and as to the ruin which might fall. on it, in the event of a war, if it raised large crantities of produce from the ,soil for the purpose of exporting the raw produce. An Hon. Member had said England was becoming. too much of an agricultural country. He might think that an agricultural country was happier than a manufacturing coun try, but to complain of this was much the same as complain ing of a man advanced in years that he grew old. Nations had their youth and old age as well as individuals, and in the more advanced stages of their existence they became manufacturers. This was a natural course of things, nor could it be preventech in the case of England, unless we s h ou ld d e t erm i ne to set limits to our greatness, and resolve against going forward for the time to come. If that course were taken which-in his judgment ought to be taken, the nation would become a gre a t manufac turing nation. ut it would at the same time be a g reat agri cultural nation also. It was i m p oss ibl e f or E ng l an d not to be a great agricultural country. But if we did not wish to set limits to our growing greatness, we'should become richer and more powerful, if we avoided confining ourselves to our own resources where agriculture was concerned, and were content to purchase part of our food from foreign countries, supply ing them with those commodities, in which our manufacturing skill enabled us to excel. But it had been asked how was this to be done ? Could the farmers turn manufacturers and the ploughmen become mechanics .? To hear such questions pui it might be supposed that it was in contemplation at once to change our system and immediately to throw open our ports to receive the corn from all parts of the world. But has any such proposition been brought before the House ? Ile did not feel that he had countenanced any thing of the kind, when he proposed that the farmer should enjoy a perfect monopoly of the home market up to 70s. and it had been admitted that 675. was a remunerating price, and when on foreign wheat brought in at above 70s. he wished to impose a duty of 20s. which was to be only reduced by one shilling per quarter in each year till it came down to 10s., then to remain permanent. When he recommended the adoption of such measures could it with jus tice be imputed to him that he wished to turn the capital of the country from agriculture to manufactures? That this would be done there was no cause to fear. The very difficulty of do ing it offered sufficient security that it could notbe done. It bad been stated that it was impossible more capital could be employ ed in the manufactories than was already so employed. Why if such were the case, as it was impossible for the people of this , country to buy corn from foreign countries but with their ma nufactures' the .Igricultural interest could have nothing to fear, and they had the best security against the apprehended evil that could by any possibility be obtained. He however believed that, if his resolutions were carried, gradually more capital would be employed in our manufactories, and it was because this would prove beneficial to all parties that he wished to see those resolutions adopted. He did not question the serious character of the existing distress, but all that he had heard on the subject had only served to confirm the view which he had originally taken of it. The Hon. Member for Wiltshire had said on the preceding night, that a supply of foreign corn could be obtained at 255. per qua r ter. H e (Mr. Ricardo) had that morning received a letter from Mr. Solly, in which that Gentleman declared that the price which he had mentioned when giving his evidence before the Committee, was not the accidental price at which it might be got at some particular period, but he had , named what he knew to be the remunerating price. It was not by an accidental price but by the remunerating price that .their proceedings ought to be regulated. With respect to the price at -whi c h it might be obtained at Memel in last January, Mr. Solly stated that was not a_port from which any considerable supply could be expected. Not above 20,000 quarters could be obtained thence in a year. Now if such were the case with respect to this price of five-and-twenty shillings--if it had no better foot to stand upon than this, it would be seen that it was utterly unworthy of the notice of that House. He had now one ob jection to make on what had fallen from a Noble Lord yester day on the subject of the Resolutions come to in the Committee, which he stated to have been carried almost without a dis- senting voice. He (Mr. Ricardo) had gone into that Commit tee with precisely the same view which he now entertained. —lt was known that the landed interest itself groaned under the greatest possible distress,• and he was therefore well disposed to do any thing that could be done to relieve it now, provided some security were given that they should return to a better system on a future day. For a time the Committee gave him reason to hope that they would not refuse such a pledge, but when they came to make their report they flew off from the point, and would do nothing of the kind.— The conditional agreement which he had previously made with them was from that moment dissolved, and that being dissolved the resolutions had no longer his concurrence in their favour.— With respect to what had been said by the Hon. Member for Hertford as to the bias supposed to act on Mr, Solly's mind, he admitted that that respectable Gentleman might have some bias of the kind imputed, but he begged to ask the Members of that House if they themselves were not likely to be in sonic degree biassed in a similar way ? He hoped they would bear in mind that they were not now to legislate for themselves, but with a view of promoting the welfare and happiness of millions. And doing this he begged of them also to remember that no evil was greater than having food too high in price, as that produced in a hundred ways the most afflicting consequences. lie was asto nisted at what he had heard from the Hon. Member for Essex. _ . _ He . consiclered the high price of corn to be a matter of indiffer ence, if not of exultation. He wished the price of corn to be high, but he wished it to be obtained by little labour. 'tile higher the nominal, and the lower the real price, the better in his (Mr. Western's) opinion. He (Mr. Ricardo) could agree with the Hon. Gentleman in this, but he was surprized when he came to the testto find that he would do nothing that would procure corn at a low real price. He wished that we should continue to grow our own corn, and onlyin very particular cases import from foreign countries. Acting on this plan, it was im.. possible for corn to be obtained at a low real price, as that could only be accomplished by purchasing it from other countries with our manufactur,s. Mr. BENETT observed that the Hon. Gentleman had not sufficiently exhibited theunds on which he had made his calculation. He (Mr. B. gro ) had calculated the effect of indirect taxation on agriculture, and the result was as 30s. Bd. compared with the Hon. Gentleman's 10s. The Hon. Member for Read- ing had last night stated that bread in France was only a penny a pound. If so, corn in that country must be still lower than PRICE SEVENPENCE. 255. a quarter. But it was not by him, however (Mr. Benett), that the statement h a d b een mode. that • 255. was the p r i ce at which corn c ou ld be purchased o n the Continent.: li e allowed that the dirty which he proposed' of 245. would be higher than that duty would have been befyre the passing of Mr. Peel's Bill. But that Bill had produced a similar effect on our foreign exchangeS, and which effect must ma nifest itself in the price of Foreign Corn. He was as anxi ous as any man to keep faith with the public creditor; but why were they not also to keep faith with the farmer, who was now reduced to the very last pitch of distress ?. He contended that the duties proposed were not sufficient. At present, fo reign corn stored here was sold from hand to hand et 375. per quarter. Let the kicks of these store-houses 1." :emoved, and then that corn, with th e 17 s . d uty o f t he Noble 'Lord (Lon donderry), would come into the market-at 50s. How, 'then, could the English farmer compete with this ? The Honourable Member then, alluding to the evidence •given before the Com mittee by Mr. Sony, observed that there was another point upon which he intended to say a few words., It was said that fanneei ought not to cultivate, oe rather that they ought not to con tinue in cultivation, lands of an' inferior quality. To this he. answered, that land; though originally poor, was capable of being so improved .by attention as almost to equal a very rich soil. The Honourable Member concluded by expressing a hope that Are House would take the necessary steps to protect the British grower against the unnecessary. introduction of fo. reign corn. air. CURWEN, after some prefatory observations on the state of the markets for 25 years before the ports were open, reminded the House that iu the memorable year 1799, when a. scarcity was felt, an importation to the extent of a six weeks' supply was immediately 'called for. That supply was provided at great expence, and not without some difficulty, from Ame rica and the Cape of Good Hope, and some rice was even im. ported from India. In times of danger he admitted the neces sity of importing foreign corn ; it ought to be then liberally re ceived, so as to satisfy the wants of the community, but not per mitted to remain here and accumulate, to the injury of the home grower.. When he objected to the duty fixed by the Honour able Baronet (Sir T. Lethbridge), it was not because he thought it unnecessarily high, or beyond the scale of protection really due to the home grower, but because he thought it would be impossible to maintain it against the probable feeling of the country. He denied the accuracy of the, calculations upon which the rates of protecting duty mentioned were framed.l-- The Noble Marquis's (Londonderry's), though intended to reconcile the wishes of all parties, were founded upon erro neous data-the price of production in foreign countries was not fairly given. Mr. Sony had informed the Committee that corn at Odessa could be had, and at a remunerating price for the farmer, so 19w as 16s. a quarter, and might be imported at 325. Now, he (Mr. Curwen) from the best information which he could procure, thought that calculation incorrect, and that corn at Odessa,could be had (and with a . fair profit to the grower) at 12s. instead of 16s. ; it therefore could be imported at 245. and not 325. It should always be remembered that the Baltic prices were not liable to regulation so much by the cost of production abroad, as by the necessity for the article here-that was the regulating barometer.__( Hear. )-Whenever there was a failure in the Crops, 'there could be always secured a foreign supply to meet the evil, anti regulations were easily practicable to secure its ,proper effect throughout the country. The Noble Marquis, when he spoke of I>antzic corn, ' wits wrong when he stated that it might be imported at 425.: the fact was, the importation might take place at 325. or 335. He had obtained an estimate of the prices of the best grain at the different markets within the last two months, and from them he found that the foreign second corn, except in Friesland, where there was an inferiority, always averaged equal to our best ; and their best was always 4s. or ss. more valuable in the markets. The foreign average prices were as follow : -Th e first quality, 295. and 1-7th, the price to put aboard ; and the second quality, 235. and 6-7ths. Our average best at home was 525. and 1-10th ; second best, 435. 3-10ths. So that there was a difference between their best and ours of 235., and of 20t. in the second, independent of the inherent superiority of value, which would add to the price at the rate he had mentioned. If the Noble Marquis would consider these calculations, he would find that the agriculturists would not derive the benefit he in tended for them according to his own scale;, for if he re-consi dered the prices, he would see that the foreign grower could avail himself of his duty and come into the market at 575. The Honourable Gentleman near him (:fir. Ricardo) was of opinion that 655. would be a fair protecting price to the far mer : so it would be, if he could always be sure of obtain ing it, but that was impossible. He agreed that nothing was more desirable than to secure c h ea p b rea d f or t h e pub lic, but it ought to be done by an attention to the interests of the farmer, so as ,to enable him to furnish that article on cheap terms. What was it that made the farmer complain ? The overwhelming taxes and depreciated currency which attended a long war. He knew and felt that the farmer could not expect the country would maintain for him an unequal price; but they ought at least to put him upon the same fair footing for the protection of his property, as the other classes of the commu nity. Hon. Gentlemen seemed to have forgotten that the ma nufacturer, in the course of the year, turned over his capital at a profit five or six times, whereas' the agriculturist could do so but once in the year. They had called upon any one to show them that set or class of persons who had ever thriven under restrictions. He (Mr.. Curwen) thought he had pointed out one which 'had prospered snider such a state of things for the 70 first years of the last century. It was unnecessary to inquire what had been the effect of the three years' importation. We had imported in that peric , l to the amount of pretty nearly 3,000,0001. in corn-he should say about 1,600,000 quarters of wheat. That supply we might have required for two y ears , and for part, prob a bly, o f th e third. The ports shut in the month of Feb. 1819. Now he entreated the attention of the House to this statement, that if he said we had consumed, in the first year, 800,000 quarters, that was the very utmost in the second year we had certainly consumed considerably less ; and it was hie belief that we had 500,000 or 600,000 quarters of the supply left on hand at the commencement of 1819. Suppose the quantity was only 500,000 quarters, what must have been the effect ? Would not every gentleman who had a knowledge of these subjects bear him out in saying, that the operation of such an enormous surplus, remaining unconsumed at a ti me when we had no occa s ion or a single bushel of imported corn, had been to weigh very heavily upon the home' market ever since ?-(Hear, hear !)--Two years ago, he (Mr. Curwen) had strongly pressed upon the Right Hon. the President of the Board of Trade, the injury which such a circumstance might ultimately occasion to the country. His admonitions, how ever, were disregarded, and his prediction denied. The sequel had but too well verified it. Gentlemen, therefore, would do well not to run away with an idea that the whole of the exist ing distresses were occasioned by over-production. If' the Noble Marquis would not accede to his (Mr. Curwen's) proposition, let him at least substitute some other in its stead, which should carry the protection as high as the Noble Lord himself had ad mitted it was proper to be fixed at.. The question now at issue before the House was no less than whether a class of 500,000 persons, who had.ever flourished in proportion as the country . had flourished, should be placed once more its the way of at taining something like their former character, or he abandoned as paupers ?-(Hear, hear!)-.The Hon. Member concluded by suggesting to the Noble Lord, that 80s. ought to be the protecting price ; 10s. per quarter the duty afterwards ; ss. ad ditional the duty, when the price should be from 80s. to 90s. ; another 58. when it was from 90s. to 100 s.; and that after it had attained that point, the trade should be open ;* but he fairly confessed his apprehension that the duties never could be car ried so high, while the country was circumstanced in other respects as it was at present. Sir CHARLES BURRELL was much pleased with what had fallen from the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Curwen), though he did not think his plan practicable in all respects. Of the plan which had been that evening submitted to the House, one fact was, to allow 400,000 quarters of foreign corn to be brought into the market at ss. duty. Now he (Sir C. Burrell) wished to !slow how it was proposed to bring these in ? Whether by license, or certificate, or in what other way ? All things con sidered, he (Sir C. Burrell) acknowledged that he was disposed to prefer the proposal of the Noble Lord; and if it - were accom panied with another suggestion, mentioned in the Report,. he should consider it liable to very little exception. He wished to . know whether the proposition in question was meant to be perse vered in ? If was, that a duty of from 12s. to 15s. per qr. should be imposed on foreign wheat imported for home consumption, when the price should exceed 70s. If the Hon. Member for Suffolk in tended to take the sense of the House upon this proposal, he (Sir C. Burrell) would certainly vote for it. In any Bill which the House,might agree to, he should wish to have this provision inserted that the averages should for the future be taken on Irish corn sold in the British market, as well as on our own grain . . He had been informed by very good judges,- that it wes almost impossible to tell Irish wheat from English ; and it was very certain that the person who, tinder the present regulations, This Day was published; /THE SUBSTANCE o f a SECOND SPEECE of the MARQUIS of LONDONDERRY, delivered h the Committee of the House of Commons, on Monday, Apri 49, 1822, on the Subject of the AGRICULTURAL DK TRESS of the Country, and the Financial and other Mea lures proposed for its relief. 'Pi lilted for J. Hatchard and Son, 187; Piccadily, London; and R. Millikin,Dublin.