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w.mli.a 3 4 st=y a s. Noer l '(Lord lean's' ordee, irI•TG. NS ale ,:r1.1 91 1... A 1 y . mtneli; : ro wle; WOO d ; U r ; • TO , ;d MO' T 11°94 therinr, , zrotilf; Tud'' 4T pur'i, Tael 4 Agd efi 1 4 °11' Belt Woe ci Irjur Of /r ' for' Plo ugh, TOP' IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, March 19. The LORD CHANCELLOR Valk his rettt, Upoo the WOCI ‘4. at Five o'clo.,lc. POOR REMOVAL BILL. Earl ST. GER NI ANS presented a petiti. , n from Salt -I,n the county o f Devon. prain;.: for a repe.4l of the 0 " o , i r ItII:lova' Act, and the substitution of a parochial — "etuent. „..T.,..he Bi s h op o f DOWN an d CONNOR presented a , i 'uon from the ratepayers of the county of Lincoln, erayin a eti . t io for a repeal of the law of settlement; and also Petit from Dromore, in Ireland, praying for a repeal the law forbidding marriage with a &ceased wife's a ls4r. The th e Earl of WICKLOW presented two petitions from d county of Wicklow against the principle of out rtlpitc.r relief, and against any alteration in the mode of (3, 1 :g in that county. Also, a petition praying the tra - irnruent to encourage an extensive system of emi whilLun• If leui might be permitted to offer a suggestion, y et e t "was not, however, one of his own, tOr he had not ili on 1 1 ; 1 3' considered the question, it was that facility lo t ; be given by her Majesty's Government to grant Irma for th e ' purposes o f em i gration , under the same thgetnents as were prop lied with regard to loans for lruprovement of estates. POOR REMOVAL ACT. Th e Duke of RICHMOND presented a petition from to ttm r,PaYr of Storrington, in the caunty of Sussex, tig ‘ S a lning that the Poor Removal Act operated for nest him in an unjust and grievous manner, and pray ing r emedy. He hoped that the Noble Marquis (the Mar -I,ll7lLansdowne) w ould see the necefsity of having the 11: 5 ' law of settlement brought under consideration. say that he differ , d altogether with the report to qe, h the Select Committee on the Poor R moval Act had th uie to, and thought if they delayed the amendment of , 4 : Act till the whole question of the law of settle- I; Was di.posed ef, great injury . would be inflicted, be wet possible in one sessien of Parliament, and sji t ,e a general election, to give that due consideration 2 n such an important subject as the law of settle ,flt requir e d. H e h a d a l s o a petition from the union rl ewenton, in the counties of Hereford , Wor cester, rod Glouces ter, to the same effect. beL o rd CAMPBELL said, that having the honour of r e ~„1 1g on the Committee, he entirely concurred in th e dad which had emanated from it. One reason which h greatly influenced him in corning to that decision th B 2 that the other House had strongly recommended ,?'; there should be no legislation on the subject till the t o u t le question had been fairly considered. But he would h ave cotes to that decision if his own opinion had in t ,,, ) ,: k eegree led him to a different conclusion. It might, N xt u t ay .. , have been as well if the A . ct had been retro. tit sviella n s ow w , ell as ptospective, but if they were to bring having reference only to that clause, their dae rd 'hips would find that there would be a great deal of '.:,etilty attending the working of it. the Earl of SUFFOLK was understood to agree to , Prayer of the petition. fr nr d BROUGHAM took the same view that the f r C'era of the report had taken. The general complaint 01 ) 44 the country against this Act was, not that it was ro Pl.43 ive or unjust, but that it was Si' written that they T i t i dd neither make head nor tail of it. — (Laughter.) ,7 knew their mother tongue very well , but they unused to the step mother tongue of this Act of - "araent. 47. n r ci BEAUMONT did not rise to defend the Act of t i f - ,_Laraent, but he wished to say one word in defence mince decision to which the Noble Duke's Com tr)",eke had c om e . One of the propositions made th " Committee had been already disposed of by Noble and Learned Lord ; the other proposition oe , that th e y s h ou ld f rame ano ther Act which would der ta te from that time forward, and be somewhat parliamentom the Act passed in the last session of cre,„ 4, 4 need that a great deal of inconvenience would e arisen under the altered system. Tie only thing thetl 4 Act difficult to be understood was the proviso. 0 ," even admitting that the ambiguity existed, he for tte_should deprecate any interference with the Act, bee it would affect that principle for which ie te eY had been so long contending , namely , the rrainable removals of the poor from place to place. efe ; t 'Pr.inciple bad been establiehed, but not carried out en ti3', because no settlement was given. Under t these:t circumstances he thought they would derive the t t tritage from the present measure, that it would lead e,C, O consideration of the whole question, and when the ad :ie question had been considered, they should then whi r me.ures to meet the imperfect state of the law respect to removal. s o 4 b l le Duke of RICHMOND b egge d to remind his ase and Learned Friend opposite (Lord Campbell), st he was of opinion that this Act was injurious to a class of the poor, who were most entitled the consideration of their Lordships' House be. ‘, 7 l3 in e of i t o h l n ate they t (the ;poor-law guardians) had been ou t . do gin g or e unions those who had been receiving live; This law was said not to be retrospec tr°sPectivienuonndeereathsee it had been decided that it was re veere to do' and ha would wish to knom what guardians opposite (Lord se circumstances. His Noble Friend Would lead to Be aumont) had said, that the measure muc hconfusion, and give rise to a great I? ai l e o s f ty , l s it cj i g o a ‘ ,. j e o r n n . me i n i t e hoped and trusted that if her would not alter the plan, which ‘ ''ley had taken from Sir James Graham's sugges !_°lls, that they would do justice to the poor law. guardians and bear the expenses of any litigation that ensue.—(Hear, and laughter.) e....t.0rd ASHBURTON t h ought that this measure was ; t rtaiinly one entitled t o con ,id erat i on . IsT ,, w, as 'Peeted the opinion of the Noble Lord, although was satisfied that that opinion was disioterestly g i ven Set it could hardly be taken as a criterion for C, 3e Whole country. In the north of the country , where ofpided, it was very probable that t his Act mi g ht have rn 4 ed mischievously, but where he (Lord Ashburton) eli ded it had proved of considerable .benefit. and be kirit was repeated he thought that time ought to be Satin to the people to ease themselves of their obit .7ons to e ac h o ther. Lord PORTMAN conceived that it was quite ne t„ - %rY that the question of the removal of the poor dust be decided upon, as early as possible ; and he entree. that his Noble Friends, the Members of the te° ve rnmant would, before the end of the session , to gs in a Bill, not a declaration, but an enactment which !e t " have the effect of doing what the Act of last sea it u ill e tl h . Was intended to effect, viz., a retrospective in ;!pou the present state of the several pa t/ He did not suppose that before the end s e w" present session they would have time to days T"e the question, and snot it would be requisite before a rs next to give ice of removal to all the tithes interested, for by the Act, Lady-day f or aPPointed as the expira•ion of the time s et Riving notice. It was, therefore , ab s o lutel y t -484r Y that something should be done before he e- nclusion of the session, for, unless the y did, the y 14 : 111 d have an immense number of poor before Michaels C t s ; without any legitimate settleme nt. Should the p eo lt)-T es of removal be carried into effect , and t h e n e -r be carried out of the parishes where they *here, they would have to be taken to places h f there were no houses to receive them ; and ae,Z r e winter they would have a number of people R '`tiout a home or a right of relief. In one in oit,a,,e.,e. Which had come under his notice, a number e e rividuals had been removed from the workhonse by th e -e k r of the medical mall, and had been taken into th "uses in the place; the consequence of this was they could not be taken to the several parishes to eh tt e b they properly belonged, and these men were now k i de r ti geable on the rates of the place where they re ',Lord BEAUMONT—That could not be, for a five tle lt ra i residence was required to give a title to perms- At relief. ti e tor d PORTMAN—That might be true, but the ques t Was whether they could be removed. Lord BEAUMONT—That was the law. :'''' s „ rd PORTMAN—His Noble Friend might be the li t lawyer in that House, but be evidently knew very ~ 1 , 1 ,e of the pr ac ti ce . H o wever legitimate it might be to an order for removal, it required a great deal of evi dence to justify it in a court of law. the subject some few words from Lord COLCHESTER , subject was dropped. The Marquis of CONYNGHAM said that he ha d e few remarks - to make in reference to a matter Personal to himself. There was a matter at Pres en t before the other House of Parliament, with respect to which a deputation had waited upon Lord John Russell. His name had been inserted inadvertently in a list of persons who att. that deputation, and he wished to state tie fact publicly, to) avoid the absurdity of having his name upon the list °I a deputation in layout. of a measure to which he was °PPosed. Lord MONTEAGLE said that the mistake arose t ar tly with him, The Noble Lord had attended a meet g reference to this deputation, but was compelled lea ve , the room before the business was over. The ( "°le Lord's name had been put down in the list of wase who had attended the meeting, but by a mistake, ha d Placed by the secretary upon the list of those who d rote(' in favour of the deputation. L , °l'd BROUGHAM said, that according to the mi nutesmi- nutesof the meeting it would appear, that those wh o ere not th ere were represented as being there , a nd thes e who were t h ere w e re represented as not being th Z e • --- (Laughter.) Their Lordships then adjourned. HOUSE 01 COMMONS. March 19. T he SPEAKER took the Ch:,ir at Foot. o'clock. T he SECOND READINGS. following Bills were read a second time -' O °Y Improvement—Claridge's Patent Asphalte ti a ,,P 4ll Y—F Rates—Legal gasp (London)— N e ' - ' 4ll Harbour—Ross, Croniartv, and Part of irn IX str i ct R oa d s —S a ti ron Walden Rates—Wark wo rth harbour. INCOME-TAX. "eral Hon. Members presented petit ions from the. !" e etors and assesso rs ol the income-tax, praying for lacreased remuneratioa for their lal)our. EDUCATION. ite l/ r• BRIGHT prebented a petition from _Norfolk :,rttTs in So'tland' ' . 3: l llst , thy , Grovernment scheme of educaiion. pp. —r • il U . '%iE presenTed a petition from several school. praying that they might be ap tnjited registrars oi b:rrt,s, dear.lvi, and marriages, in uer to afford an addition to their scanty incotue. LIGHT DUES. Mfr. FORSTER presented a petition from Whitehead r_ r llristol from the merchants and shipowoers, praying '° reduction of thy: charges made for light dues. POOR REMOVAL ACI. Sir Dt, th e • LACY EVANS presented a petition from City of Westuainstrr ag:Orist the Poor Act. Mr 'l‘,E MARRIAGE ACT. from•RA BERKELEY presented four peti -a Cheltenham from the Dissenting ministers, the THE SUN. - , ition from Bolton solieltorS, the place deceased wife's sister. Dr. BOWRING rre,entea aguii.st the Bolton Improvement, "" RUM DUTIES. Mr. DENNISTOUN I resented a petition distillers of Glasgow, praying that no alteration n. take place in thzt rum duties. RATING OF TENEMENTS BILL. Mr. T. S. DUNCOMBE presented a petition from Drogheda, complaining of the injustice of allowing several rate-paying clauses to remain on the statute book, restricting the Parliamentary franchise of voters in Ireland. 'natty hat there wt. PLACES OF WORSHIP. The HoN. MEMBER presented a petition from Chatham, praying that the registration of places of worship might be vested in the civil, instead ot the ecclesiastical courts. The [ION. MEMBER also presented a petition from Finsbury. praying for an inquiry into case of the Raja of Sattara ; and a petition from Bolton, praying for a general inquiry into the Anatomy Act. Mr. R. YORKE presented a petition from a parish in Yolk praying for a general revision ot the Poor Re moval Act. ASSESSED TAXES. Lord RENDLESHAM presented petitions from the assessors and collectors of the assessed taxes in the county of Lincoln (as we understood the Noble Lord). complaining that they were inadequately remunerated for their services. Lord ROBERT GROSVENOR presented similar pe titions from Middlesex. IRISH POOR-LAW. The NOBLE LORD also presented petitions from some place. the name of which we could not learn, in favour of an ad. grate poor-law for Ireland. PUBLIC WORKS (IRELAND). Mr. DILLON BROWNE presented several petitions from different baronies in Mayo, praying for an altera tion in the letter of the Right Hon. the Secretary for Ireland, to the effect that labourers should not be ex cluded from the public works. They also prayed that if this removal must take place that the labourers might be employed in the cultivation of the soil, and that seed should be supplied to them for that purpose. POOR-LAW (IRELAND) —OUT-DOOR RELIEF. The llos. MEMBER also presented petitions from sev, ral clergymen in the same barony in which he him self resided, praying that the clause in the Poor-law (Ireland) Bill, which enacted that out-door relief should be given, might be retained. They also complained to the number of ex officio poor.law guardians. TENANT RIGHTS. Mr. SHARMAN CRAWFORD presented petitions in favour of the Tenant Right Bill, and praying that the practice now adopted in the province of Ulster might be legalised. POOR-LAW (IRELAND). Lord DUNCAN presented a petition, agreed to at one the largest meetings held in the city of Bath, expressing satisfaction that the Government intended to bring forward nit adequaate poor-hew for Ireland. The) prayed that their fellow-subjects should be made to con tribute in an equal proportion with themselves to the nee. scary expenditure of the State. NOTICES OF MOTION.—NAVIGATION - LAWS. Mr. LIDDELL moved for returns connected with the subjects of shipping and navigation. REGISTRY OF BIRTHS, DEATHS, AND MARRIAGES IN SCOTLAND. Mr. HUME gave notice that be should move that the Bill for the Registry of Births, Deaths, and Marriages in Scotland should be referred to a Select Committee up stairs. NEW POOR-LAW. Mr. FERRAND gave notice that on an early day after Easter he would bring the new poor-law under the con sideration of the House. POOR REMOVAL ACT. Mr. C. BULLER presented a petition from Liskeard, against the Poor Removal Act passed lest session. GOVERNMENT MEASURES. Mr. DILLON BROWNE wished to it,,k the Noble Lord when it was his intention to proceed with the Waste Lands Bill? Lord JOHN RUSSELL said be intended proceeding with it on Monday next. Mr. SHAW wished to ask the Noble Lord whether he would proceed with Irish business on Government nights, and when ho intended taking the poor-law for Ireland into consideration? Lord JOHN RUSSELL said it was his intention to proceed with the poor•law on Monday next, and he believe d the Chancellor of the Exchequer had consented to proceed with the consideration of the Customs duties on Friday instead of on Monday, accord ing to the notice which had been given ; and he might at the same time state that before going into Com mittee the Secretary-at-War would take some of the estimates for the army which were necessary for the public service. ACCOMMODATION OF MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE OF COMMONS IN THE NEW HOUSE OF LORDS. Mr. HUME begged now to ask the question of which he had given notice the other evening, namely, whe ther any provision had been made in the new House of Lords for the accommodation of Members of the House of Commons? It appeared to him that there was no room for Members ot that House, while in attendance there, unless they consented to be pressed and packed together in a way which was not creditable. He begged to know, therefore, whether there was any arrange ment for that accommodation which the Commons were entitled to have; and, before he resumed his seat, he bugged to state that he objected to standing in the House of Lords so long as they gave a Peer the privi lege of' sitting when he attended in the House of Com mons.—(Cheers from both sides of the House.) Ile submitted this to the attention of her Majesty's Govern ment, as worthy of their consideration. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said be was not aware the Hon. Gentleman had given notice of these questions, and he was, therefore, net prepared to answer them. Mr. HUME (interposing)—Well, next week, Monday nieht.—(Leughter.) GREAT WESTERN AND SOUTH-WESTERN RAILWAYS. Mr. BOUVERIE begged to ask whether the Great Western Railway Company, or its agents, or the South- Western Railway Company, or its agents. had been asked by the Committee of Selection, to state to what Members et the whole House they objected as members of the Committees to be s.ppointed for Groups 5 and 6? Whether the Great Western Railway Company, or its ageats, had objected accordingly, to upwards of 300 Members of the House? And whether it is the practice of the Commit ttee of Selection to communicate, to opp osin g p arties in any railway group, the names of the chairman and members proposed to be appointed for the Committee oat that group. He said the facts of the cas werethese. The Committee of Selection on Railway Bills reported e on the 11th February, that they had groupe certain Bills into two sets, Groups 5 and 6. Group 5 contained seven Bills affecting railways in the neigh bourhood of Windsor and Staines, and Group 6, thirteen Bills specially relating to the west of England ; and in each of these groups was a Bill belongine to the South- Western and the Great Western Railways respec tively ; in other words, the broad and narrow gauges. On the 15th of February, the Committee of Selection gave notice that they had appointed a Select Committee to, try the merits of this question, and they Lave a list o. the Members whom they had appointed for the S , lect Committee. That list was submitted to the Parlia mentary agents on both sides, that is, to the agents of the Great Western and of the South-Western Companies He had understood that' this list was objected to by the agents of both. On the 16th of February the Committee of Selection ease notice that the Select Committee would meet on the 20th of March, that is one week later than the time previously appointed ; and with this notice also they gave lists, as he understood, of the mem bers whom they had appointed to serve on the Com mittee, comprising, as he believed, 300 Members and a list of the Members objf cted to by both sides was re quested, and the Committee of Selection appointed the Monday following for the settlement of the affdir. With the notice stating the circumstance, they had given the name of the Member who was named as chairman, as well as those of the Members who were to act on the Committee. He understood that these lists were again. ojt cted to by both parties. The Hon. Member for Co vestry had been named as the chairman of one of these Committees, and had complained to the House that this objection should be permitted by the Committee of Se lt:ction. The several agents of the companies, as he understood, had then stated the names of all the mem berm, to which they objected. The only proof of this which he had was a letter received by Mr. Creed, the agent of the South-Western Company, part of which he would read. This letter was dated the 16th of March, and it stated that the writer had communicated the names ot the Members objected to to the Committee of Selection ; but, however desirable it might be to shorten their lab ;urs, yet such a wholesale objection as that stated in the communication of ' the company could not pcsvitily be allowed. He wished to have some explanation upon the suect r h o e n h e a t d o r u p i t p e r , e ant he a s n h ) o . ui a d r t b e o f gad the fromto be e the r t e i c o t n e d Baronet o ppsite, ant he should be glad to be ctrrrct'd i a matter; but if what he had etwed was truth p , (:r an) - that the course thing like truth, he MUM. ay whichd whilehad been pursued was der o g ator y to the House; an inapee . do . n he teimitte d the zeal nod ab iet y with which the_ Ilea. Bayonet perforated the le borious duties him, he could not help tainking that he had, in this commleel an error of jnigint'nr. Sir J. Y. BULLER said he had great pLasur‘e, in an sw, ring the question of the Hoe. Gentle m an, Ihe lip plications were net made to oely thre e companies, but to all the principal railway companies which were It to base Bills bets the House this ses sion. They were rt quc et, d, for the guidance of the Committee of Selection, to state whether they objected to any Member sitting upon their Bills, and if they did, their reasons fur doing so. Only two answers, however, were received— tam from the Great \Vestern Company, and the other from the London and South Western Company. As that course was the course prescribed by law in the case ol contested elections, that the parties petitioning were call• d on to state their objection, he did not see why that was not the proper course to be adopted in this inetance. He did net know what were the numbers to % a l lele the railway companies did object, but he be lieved that the Great \Vestern Railway did object to a much greeter extent than the opposing company. Mr. ELLICE sail it appeared to him Chet when Hon. Members heel been asked to serve, and had agreed, and their nani s wee published in the papers of that House should be entitled to protection. H e ball hoped that his Honourable Friend opposite would have Co m e doe' n and athuito d that the Committee were in error iu having received there obj Ttions as valid, with out giving reasons to Hon. Nletnbers for the course they tied adopted. A s res p ected himself, if the Committee of Selection had applied to him, he would at once whether either par t y had any just cause of objection to him. But when he stated that in neither of these eom- LONDON. &al. we n, and general inhabitants of 1 panics had he the slightest interest, the remarks of the " . l a w forbV.Ading marriage with a Honourable Member, it would be seen, wore ground less and false. Thu House, he thought, should pro tect Honourable Members from such imputations being cast upon them, as it was necessary for its elm ratter that its proceedings should not be called in clues ''‘P I tion, unless on sufficient grounds. mold Mr. WILSON PAT TEN must say that he was most - ; 47 - 1 " nr i se d at the honourable Gentlenain takii-g the ~ ur l,o so- warmly. It was well known, however. -a many objections to Members serving on '-h did nut in the least affect the objected to. He must —rnittee of Se ren- such Committees, character of those who Ni say that the situation of the Uth— leetion was a most painful one, and if it dered more so it would be impossible for it to dis charge its duties with efficient y.—(ilear and cheers.) His own impression was, that the lion. Member had committed error, but he did not think the course the House had an adopted would in any way lower its high character. Mr. ELLICE explained. He hoped oiled not expressed himself t❑ any , fy- to the Honourable Member. — he had spoken warmly on the subject, bat he did so because he believed the character of the House was in volved in the matter.—(Hear, hear.) lie disclaimed any intention of wishing to cast any imputation whatever on his Honourable Friend opposite—he disclaimel it the other night, and he did so now. He knew the arduous duty of a member of one of the Hallway Com mittees ; but he hoped that the practice of making charges against a Committee behind its back would not be repeated again.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. S. HERBERT considered that there was no wish on the part of the lion. Gentleman with whom the dis cussion had originated to cast any imputations on the Hon. Member (Mr. Ellice). A misrepresentation pre vailed as to the, right of persons to object to Members nominated to serve upon Committees. The:Soutl.- Wes tern sent a list to the Committee of Members to whom they objected, but they refused to entertain any r ueh proceeding on the part of the company, and the list was in consequence returned to them. What the Committee asked for was a list of the Members who were disqualified from sitting on the Committees from their eonnexion with various railways. It was possible that a Com mittee might not know those Members who were di rectors of companies ; and, therefore, it was necessary that such a list should be furnished to ►hem whenever they required it. Sir W HEATHCOTE stated that he endeavoured to explain as well as he could that he had no intention to impure improper conduct to the members of theConimittee behind their backs. The imputation, if it really was an imputation, was this, that every member of the Committee, with the exception of two. were selected from one district of the country. The discharge of the Committee had no reference to private character or private connexion. Now he would put himself upon the judgment of the House. He was called upon by his Hon. Friend to say that what he had done was wrong, and that he would not do so aga a, but he maintained that what he had done was right; and it, at any future time, from any oversight or want of information, they should have nominated a Committee, and afterwards it ap peared that there were good reasons to discharge it, he would consider it his faithful duty to lace the obloquy which he knew attended him at the present moment.--(Cries of .‘ No, no.") At all events, he knew that he had given some offence to his Hun. Friend, but he would tell him that the reason why he did not confer with him was, because the re was no question of private connexion; it was only an objection to a line of country, and it was nothing which any Gentlemen could answer, or required any cJmuiunica. tion with individual Members. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said, he rose as a Member of the House although; he did not often take part in the duties to which the discussion referred, yet he thought it necessary to do so after the statement of the lion. Baronet. The objection to his Right Honourable Friend was not that he l.ad any private interest to disqualify him from serving on the Com mittee, it was only to the place which he represented. and upon which there could be no difference of opinion as to matter of fact. Ile concurr. d generally with the Hon. Baronet, and he felt quite sure that the House could not do better than leave all these matters to his discretion, and he was certain that he would exercise a sound discretion, and preserve the character of the House. He considered also that the House ought to support him in the discharge of very onerous duties. Mr. ELLICE wished to know whether, should a Com mittee be appointed, after the fullest investigation and named in the votes, it could be discharged without the interference of the House ? After a few words from Lord SANDON, which did not reach the gallery, Mr. AGLIONBY suggested that before the Com mittee nominated by the Committee of Selection was reported to the House, or appeared on the votes, some communication should be made to the Members whom the Committee of Selection intended to put upon the list. He thought that after such communication, any Hon. Member might himself object; but he did not think that the honour of the House would be advanced by striking out the names of Hon. Members of the Committee after they had once been placed upon it. Mr. VILLIERS STUART thought it was scarcely fair that this charge should be brought forward a second time, as that had been done in the first in. stance, and an explanation given. After a few words from Mr. BOUVERIE the subject dropped. AGRICULTURAL STATISTICS. In answer to a question put by an HoN. MEmBEn, Mr. M. GIBSON said, that it was the intention of the Government to proceed as speedily as possible with the Bill relating to the collection of agricultural statistics. JUVENILE OFFENDERS' BILL. Lord MAHON wished to know what course was in tended to he pursued with respect to the Juvenile O-'- fenders' Bill. Sir G. GREY said that the Bill was proposed to be read a second time, and that any discussion which might arise upon it should he taken upon a subieqeent stage. BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE. Sir R. PEEL hoped the Noble Lord would allow him to remind him of a rule of the House to which he often used to call his (Sir Robert Peel's) attention—it was to give the House distinctly to understand what order of the day was to have the precedence over the others.—(Hear, hear.) He believed it was gene rally understood that the Poor Relief Bill would be pro ceeded with, but it would be certainly an advantage to have more decisive intimation. Lord J. RUSSELL admitted the propriety of the Right Hon. Baronet's remark. INDOW-TAX. Lord DUNCAN wished to know whether there was anything in the Health of Towns' Bill bearing upon the window tax? The Noble Lord the Commissioner of Woods and Forests had given an opinion, in:which he expressed a di'cided coviction that this tax militated against the health of the population. Lord MORPETII said that the window-tax was a financial, as wel%as a sanatory question, and as he had re ceived no intimation from the Chancellor f the Ex chequer on the subject, he could not promise that any alteration would be made with respect to it. HIGHWAYS. Mr. AGLIONBY wished to ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether it was the intention of Government to introduce any measure for amending the law, and providing for the better management of highways ? Sir GEORGE GREY was understood to say that the subii.ct would be ri , terred to a Select Committee. FRENCH HOSPITAL AT PORT MAHON. Mr. BoRTH WICK was desirous to put a question to the Secretary of State for Foreign Anus on the sub ject of an alleged arrangement between the Govern ments et France and Spain, by which a French military hospital and a store of coal are said to have been esta blished in Port Mahon. He thought when France was increasing the defences of her shores, and when she was ctowding the sea with ships at a time of profound peace, and when he looked at other circumstances to which he would not fully refer, but which would not soon be forgotten, it was most important that the atten tion of the Government should be called to the conduct of France—that they should watch her proceedings with jealousy. and that the people of this country should be informed whether the Government were or were not vigi lantly watching h eonduct ofthat nation. When he looked at the conduct sit France during the last fifteen years, and at the readiness which her Ministers had evinced to rival and embroil other nations—to sacrifice European liberty, if not European nations, he thought a British Member of Parliament would ill discharge his duty if he did not call the attention of the Government to such a matter as this ; but ho put the question in no spirit of offensiveness to any one connected Itith foreign policy. Lord PALMERSTON said. in answer to the question put by the Hon. Member, he had only to say that the Government had received no official information tending to confirm the re port, but the tendency of such information as they had received induced them to believe that such report was unfouniied. ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE. On the motion of Lord J. RUSSELL, it was agreedthat the House at its rising do a ijourn till Monday. SEARCH WARRANTS. General JOHNSON desired to know whether the Govern ment had issued instructions authorismg policemen to enter houses and search without warrants? Several cases of such a nature had come under his observation ; one was, where two policemen came seventeen miles out of their district, and ar rested two persons for theft, it was clearly proved that the parties had been twenty miles distant at the time the robbery was committed. Sir GEORGE GREY said that no such instructions had been issued. The Earl of LINCOL S N IB w . ist l e A d ß to A m . ake a n nd explanation with reference to the app oint me nt o f Mr. He Mara, alluded to by him on the previous ni g ht. t on aj o i t ci t Mr. refer ring to some d ocuments in his p ossession he found that hewa wrong. Mr. Mara had onl y been a pp ointed six months , 5 and Mr. Henderson Lad held his appointment for nearly five yew. POOR RELIEF (IRELAND) BILL. On the motion for reading the order of the day for going into Committee on the Poor Relief (Ireland) Bill, Mr. E. CALLAGHAN said he wished to make one or two observations before the House went into Committee. It would be remembered that the Hon. and Learned Member for Bath stated the other evening, a.,d it was afterwards reiterated by the Hon. Member for Marylebone, that in the neighbourhood of Mallow the, re.ided a gentliman of large pr ,, perty with an income of 10,000/. a year, who kept a great number of dogs— tvventy-,even it was said—and yet this gentleman had neglected to subscribe to the funds for the relief of the poor of the d is trict. Now he held in his hand a letter from that gentl e man, from which he learnt that this statment was un true. The truth was, that while in London opposing a railway which passed through his domains, he was applied to to contribute to a local fund for the relief of the poor, and he wrote to his ',gent to know if any previous application in re spect of his farms in the district bad been made. Now before he received au answer to this letter he wa- surprised to see the letter of the Rev. Mr. Al Carthy published in the public prints. He felt exceedingly indignant at this, and did not send his subscription, but when he did this he employei the people MORN IN G, MARCH 60, 1847. SATURDAY f around him. He gave to the Rev. 11&r. Baldwin a sul•scrip tion of 10/. for the relief of the poor of Mallow. He was i proprietor of 160 acres in that townland, and most of the ' houses were leased away fr in him. To show that he was not a bad landlerd, he might mention that many oi . these men had not paid any rent for periods of five, seven, and ten veer., He paid also t o anot h er par i sh, in which he had a -small farm, the sum of 3/., he . ng an equal quota with the other ( landlords. lie could himself say that he had known that gen tleman extensively emp l oy i ng hi s poorer ne i g hb ours. Il e k new 1 for a certainty that he had frequently paid for agricultural labour 251. or 301. a week. He thought that it was essential to the character of the House that no hing should be stated within its walls but what was found to be correct, and he re gretted that the Hon. Baronet who had made the charge had not er deavoured in the first place to ascertain its correctness. „ Sir B. HALL was o b liged to the Hon. Gentleman for :vin g given notice of his intention to bring this subject before -• a s d, He could also assure the House that if he had the h.- ' , merits without having first tried to ascertain made those staiaa whether they were well toujed, he should. in his own opinion, be deserving of the severest Censure from the House, He would certainly express his most sincere regret if in any thing he had said he had calped any annoyance to the feelings of the gentleman %sliest name had been mentioned. It ap peared that there was a large meeting held at Fa , m o Y, a which resolutions were passed on the subject of the poor-law, and a deputation of two clergymen were appointed to wait upon the Noble Lord at the head of the Government. Those gentlemen had waited upon him (Sir B. Hall), and made ear. fain statements to him, which they requested 4;1'441 be stated in that House, in order that they might go forth to the world through the ordinary channels of information, It had been his lot in life to be intimate with 4 number of persons profess ing the Roman Catholic religion, and he should Consider it an insult to that body if he hesitated to give the same confidence to member; of that hotly, as to members of the Established Church. Accordingly, he gave the fcilloot credit to their statements, and requested that in order to prevent any misap. prehension of them, they ahnnld be pet in 4 written ram ; and it was the statements thus made to him that he had given to the House. He trusted, therefore, that the House would not believe that he was negligent in his endeavours to set henticate the statements which he had made to the House. He said he had now set himself right with the House, by again referrieg to the respectable authority on whi l st) he bad made the state, peers be had laid before the House the other evening. But if any atatmeept whiph by h F id m a d e ;Mould b e proved ineorrect, he would he the first to retract midi statement as publicly as it was made. Mr. CALLAGHAN said the gentleman to whom he had referred, namely, Mr. Courtenay, had kept for the last six months not one dog,—( Great laughter.) Mr. SHAW though , if the Right Hon. Baronet opposite had followed the rule usually observed in that House, and omitted introducing the gentlemen whose case he had noticed he would have saved himself and the House both time and trouble. If he had al:owed him before making his explana tion to read the letters which he held in his hand, the Hon. Baronet would not have missed some points which he ought to have observed. Mr. Courtenay said instead of 7J dogs in the neighbourhood of Mallow, he had never kept more than 12, and for the last six months not one. That gentleman said he hail never refused his contribution in aid of the poor. He had given on one occasion 5/., and another 10/.. for the poor in that neighbourhood, and he spent from 25/. to 30/. a week on labourers at his own eitete, But because one gentleman who called upon him f r a contribution to the funds of the relief Committee had put him in the public papers in the most scurrilous manner, Mr. Courtenay had refused to give his contribution to that gentleman, but he had sent a contribu tion to the semetary of the fund. Mr. JOHN O'CONNELL thought that the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite (Mr. Shaw) should have followed the course of the Hon. Baronet on that side of the House (Sir B. Hall), and avoided using scurrilous and unbecoming language, etpeeielly towards Catholic clergymen, who were quite unde serving of the eh; sgee spade agetbst , Olen!, I Mr. SHAW did not make any chaite against them. He had only stated what "‘or. Courtenay told him. Sir ri. W. BARRON defended the conduct of the landlords in that district generally, and thought th a t ii t h e other Irish 1 landlords had followed their earsiople a great deal of the dis, tress might have been prevented, POOR-RELIEF (IRELAND) BILL. SUBSCRIP TIONS FROM THE UNITED STATES, On the motion for the House going into Committee on this iLord G. BENTINCK thought that the man who was con_ fined by illness presented as great a case of hardship es the man incapacitated for work from the eft', et of accident, and he trusted, theref ore , t h at the clause would be amended by the 1 omission of the word tt perma n e n t." 1 Mr. B. EscoT I' coincitied in the opinion expressed by the , Noble Lord the Member for Lynn, that the omission of the word " permanent" would be an irr provement. After a few words from Mr. Al UN TZ. Mr. YOUNG wished to know from the Noble Lord at the head of the Government, whether in the concession he made to the Hon. Member for Write] ford, cases of lever were to be included ? One of the greatest sources of destitution was the inability of the peasant to labour when he had just recovered from fever. The hospitals did, indeed, give them medicine, but when medicine could do no more, then food and nourish ment were required to complete his restoration to health and strength. He wished to know, therefore, if this was to be considered in the clause ? Lord JOHN RUSSELL—Yes. IMr. P. SCROPE said thatas the Noble Lord included cases of sickness, as well as of accident, he should not press the amendment of which he had given notice. Sir 11. W. BARRON. said that the Hon. Member seemed to forget that they had hospitals, and medical dispensaries for the purpo.e of afferding relief to such as might require it. Mr. W‘ AN.LEY said that I r i s h propr i etors ought to b lush, when '.ney contrasted the operation of the poor.law in this 'eountry wi II their own. They had hospitals and medical esta blishments in Ireland, he had no doubt where salts or jalap could be dispensed to such as wished for them, but he (Mr. Wskley ) was sick of the public hospitals of Ireland. The poor required attendance at their own homes.—.( Hear, hear.) They wanted something more than physic; they wanted nourishment, and he (Mr. Wakley ) wished to give them that at their own homes, What was the practice in England with respect to the treatment of the Irish poor ? If the Irish poor man applied to the relieving-officer, if his limbs were entire and perfect—if he were destitute only, would he be refused relief ? No. The relief would be at once given to him, it would be freely and generously given but if that man were te, go hack to his native country, would he be entitle., to relief there? No. The law there commanded that he should starve.—( Hear, hear.) Now, he (Mr. Wakley ) thought that this word " permanent," had got in by accident. It was one of the most irrational things he had ever met with to insert it there; but if it has got there by design, he thought it must have originated in the mind of a very old gentleman, whom they were all anxious to repudiate.—(Laughter.) Why, if a man were disabled as well as destitute, the Noble Lord would not, it appeared, give him a right to relief. There was a dis cre.ionary power to be allowed to guardians for the relief of persons out of the workhouse, and if th e N o bl e L or d meant to give that relief, where did the necessity arise for retaining this obnoxious word. The poor-law of Ireland was a discredit to the country, and he wished to know why it was not assi milated with the laws of Scotland and of England? The Noble Lord had got some curious information with respect to Scotland. In Scotland the poor man consented to live upon meal, and in Ireland he consented to live upon potatoes, and if he consented to live upon turf he did not think his betters would think a moment about it. What the honest Englishman wished to know was, why there should be three different poor-laws for the three countries ? If they retained this wo d permanent they would deprive the poor Irishman of all relief from whatever causes his destitution might arise, and he trusted, therefore, that the Noble Lord would reconsider this question, for if the Hon. Member for Stroud consented to the withdrawal of his amendment, he should vote against his. doing so. —( Hear. hear.) Lord J. RUSSELL conceived that if this amendment were adopted, they would in effect be retaining all the abuses of the old poor law Sir WALTER JAMES could not help thinking that the Honourable Member for Finsbury had not showa his usual acuteness in the consideration of this clause, for it did in fact give the very relief which he seemed to desire. There was one thing which he earnestly desired the Noble Lord would consider, and which he would put before him before he sat down, and that was the necessity of extending outdoor relief, and on that he would give his opinions very plainly be fore the eonelosion of the consideration of the Bill. Mr. B. F.SCOTT was quite agreed with the Hon. Member fur Finsbury, for as the clause now stood it was evident that the whole of the discretion was as to whether a man was entitled to permanent relief or not, and therefore if a man was under the necessity of obtaining relief for a month he was just placed in the same position as if he required relief for his whole life. He should therefore vote for the extinction of the word per manent. Rite air WiLLIAM CLAY presented a petition from the Tower Hamlets, praying that the pour law of Ireland, might be assimilated to that of England. Mr. D. CALLAGHAN presented a petition to the same effect from the Mayor and Corforation of Cork. Lord JOHN RUSSELL Sir, I hope my Hon. Friend (Mr. P. &trope) who has given notice of a motion, will not offer any opposition to the motion, that you now leave the chair in order that the House may go into Committee on the Bill. In the next place, I wish to avail myself of this opportunity to state that I have observed eith great pleasure and satisfaction the munificent subscriptions which have been raised in the United States of America for the relief of the destitute poor in this country and in Ireland.—(Loud cheers.) I think it is not improper in this House for me, a British subj. et, to state that I am ex tremely gratified to find that the United States have not for gotten their common origin ; and that, actuated by charitable feelings, they are making great exertions to collect large sums of money for the relief of the existing distress. ( Hear, hear. ) Mr. P. SCROPE said, as he found the object of his motion was embodied in the Bill, he should not press it. He should net, therefore, detain the House from going into Committee. The House then went into Committee. On the first clause being proposed, Mr. P. SCROPE objected to the word "permanent," as being unparliamentary and unprecedented. He objected to the words "permanently disabled" in the clause, as indicating the description of persons toward whom relief should be extended. These words would effectually prevent nearly two-thirds of the poor from receiving relief. The proportion of people who came under the title of permanently disabled, was very small, as the greater part of those who required relief, were reduced to that necessity. from sickness or accident. He wished to know if the Right Hon. Gentleman would consent to the omission of the words? Sir GEORGE GREY said that if the word, permanent, were omitted, it would open the door to relief being indiscri minately administered to those suffering under the most casual sickness or disability. Mr. SHAW said that the sth clause which empowered the giving of out-door relief to the sick would meet the objection of the Hon. Member. Mr. POULET SCROPE said that the clause referred only to medical relief. Sir H. WINSTON BARRON said that the great sympathy of the Hon. Member extended to the fact that, if the poor of Ireland were not so well relieved as the poor of this country, they would frequent England in the hope of bettering their con dition. He hoped that the lash people would not he deceived by such sympathy. Mr. SMITH O'BRIEN said that he had listened with great sorrow to the statement of the Rtght lion. Gentleman, for be had hoped that this amenement would have been carried. He thought that the words, permanently disabled, were by far too limited to admit of much relief. Sir J. GRAHAM said that he thought it would be safer that they should provide in a compulsory manner and by spe cification, for all classes entitled to relief out of the work house, instead of giving such a general permission as the one proposed. The Hon. Member ;or Stroud had objected t d o the word " permanently." But it had been used before,an ex pressly used for the purpose of preventing an indiscriminate definition that administrati' nof relief. He would adopt the nec„sit the clause in one or two cases stopped Abort of th of the case, for he thought that teose classes entitleeednttolyreclif without coming under the definition of abled" should be distinctly specified in"thaeermA:t ; but he ood one, and, thought that the clause, as it then stood , was CtaUld be a most with the addition which he had suggested, ee efficient one. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said, that with respetehtetoAcw;htaot had been stated by the Member for Dorchester,. n s - deration of the which he had referred was again under House this year. With regard to the oor-law in eieniher for Stroud, he objected to extending t . 1 1 ptrhoerc:itiin.sof the Hon. He p et' persons the way proposed, namely, to relieve any upon a merely temporary sickness or distress.fam.Hie had always objected to the principle of combining the relief of the desti tute with assisting labourers, &c., of a board of wages. He had spoken to a person, a mem e who might be h i r n the receipt of guardians, who had told him that relief had been extended to a labouring man on account of a sick child, and on his asking it' the child were sick, he was told that th e man had made it relief muc istanceh in on purpose. By such a way of applying g . 4 jury might be done to those who really require ass. Mr. VERNON SMITH agreed with disagreed with the the observations of the lion. Member for Dorch ster , an ht seek tem .g Noble Lord who had just sat down. A m anml refused, might sell porary relief, and in the event of its being en little timely all his goods, and go into the workhouse , wh relief might have materially bettered h im, and kept him from being a charge upon the country. After a few words from Mr. ROSS , gallery, w hich did not reach the Sir W. CLAY thought that the principle o f i ou d t is -d ab o l o e r d r f disabled, for should not be limited entirely to the perm a nent y it would prevent much expense and much social misery, if a little timely relief were sometimes extended. Lord COURT ENA Y supported the amendment, and would, if a vote were taken, support the Hon. Member who moved it. Mr. SHARMAN CRAWFORD thought the word ought to be struck out, as the clause, in its present shape, would be the cau se of mush hardship on the p oor . Mr. lUUNTZ had seen so much evil arise in England from obliging the able- bodied poor to go into the workhouse fur temporary relief, that he must support the amendment. If the vvord permanent " was to be retained i n the clause, it should be properly defined. Mr. HENLEY thought it a great hardship to oblige the able bodied poor to go into a workhouse for a few days when they wanted relief. They were thus obliged to break up their homes, which a little out-door relief would have prevented. Sir D. NORREYS would support the retention of the words in the clause. Sir H W. BARRON took the same view of the subject. The state of Ireland was different to that of England, and must be dealt with in a different manner. Mr. NEWDEGATE thought that in the existing state of the Irish workhouses there was strong reason against crowding the people in them, especially the healthy and able-bodied, with the diseased, and aged, and infirm Colonel RAWDON thought it would be best to leave the clause in its present form. Mr. A. S. O'BRIEN considered as this was to be a per manent measure, it would be best to leave the words in the clause, Mr. V. STUART thought it most important that in all the workhouses separate arrangements should be made fur cases of fever. Mr. RICE supported the clause as it stood. Mr. SHAW begged them to ob-er'.e in all their observa tions that the present measure was to be a permanent measure. He thought it the words " permanently disabled" were struck out it would lead to great abuse. Sir ROPIER I' PEEL said that the present Bill proposed a material extension of th e existin g p oor-l aw in Ireland, and the clause proposed to give the right of relief to the permanently disabled. Were the words struck out, the Bill would tse gether altered in its character. He thought that any ambi guity in the words " permanently disabled" mighte eee rep ermanentl ymoved by substituting " that destitute persons, disabled by old age or bodily infirmity, should be relieved in or out of the workhouse." In legislating for Ireland, he cautioned them to proceed with great care lest they demoralised the people, and led them to de pend on parochialsupport instead of trusting to their own i ett r• He said that as there was lit-le depend ence to be placed n upon voluntary contributions for the relief of th e poor some more stringent measure should be introduced than the present poor law. He thought that for the purpose required the present experiment was sufficiently extensive, but he thought the omission of the word " permanent" would be ruinous co to the clause. It gas obvious that the two clau ses shouldn sidered together, for by their joint operation power would be given to the guardians to administer relief at discretion in cases where the workhouses were already full. He did hope that the House in its beneficent desire to improve the condition of the poor of Ireland, and so to relieve the property of this country from some of the burdens which pressed upon it, wool. not try this great experiment without a due degree of caution and consideration. Lord J. RUSSELL said he was not prepared to give up the avoid " permanent" in the clause, but as regarded tha suggestion of the Hon. Vlenabes for Waterford he was reat'y to consider it, for the insertion of certain words mi g ht meet the tiers and wishes of the lion. Member. Mr. GROGAN felt sore upon the remarks that had been continually made by the English Members upon the difference between the poor-laws for the two coun tries. and winch had been reiterated by the Hon. Member for Finsbury to night. This was a grievance which se eral Irish Members as well as himself complained of. Lord JOHN MANNERS understood that the relief was to be gran , ed to the heads of families, and if so, there could be no objection. Mr. J. O'CONNELL should certainly vose for the amend ment of the lion. Member fur Stroud The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought that after the declaration of the Noble Lord the Hon. Mem ber for Stroud, would not press his motion to a divi s ion. His Noble Friend had stated that some further addition was to be made to the Bill, and he thought therefore that the House had better wait until they heard what that addition was. Major LAYARD thought that as the Bill was evidently incomplete, the amendment was clearly unnecessary, he should vote though with great regret against it. 11r. P , )ULETT SCROPE said that, after the declaration of the Noble Lord, he was not inclined to press his motion to a division, but he would draw this fact to his notice. It ap peared from the returns that the number, of able-bodied poor, the heads of families, who had been relieved in 1845, amounted to more than 160,000, while the number of th, se who were absolutely disabled was only 193. There had been a direction given by the Poor-law Commissioners to withhold relief re quired in a great number of eases, and that he thought ought to be altered. _ _ . Mr. SHARNIAN CRAWFORD trusted that the Noble Lord would not overlook the cases of destitute widows. Mr. WAKLEY explained. The Noble Lord had stated that he was desirous of introducing all the abuses of the old poor-law into Ireland. Now, no man had done more than he had to do away with those abuses ; and he only wanted to recur to the principle of the old poor-law. without, at the same time, retaining its abuses. Nevertheless, under the circumstances, he did not wish to press the House to a division. I he amendment was withdrawn. Lord COUR TEN A Y then moved his amendment for allow ing relief to widows and their children, and for destitute chil dren, and to make that relief compulsory on the guardians ; but after a brief conversation, in which a great number of Members took part, he intimated his intention of withdrawing it, as he relied upon the Government taking the necessary steps for carrying out his design. After a few words, front Mr. SCROPE and Sir G. GREY. Mr. SIIAW complained, that while the clause gave the right of permanent and absolute relief to aged and disabled persons, whether in or out of the workhouse, it did not define the discretion to be vested in the authorities, as to how the re lief should be admnistered. Relief was to he given either in or out of the workhouse, but he thought some limits ought to be placed u l toti this discretion. After a few words from Mr. WAKLEY and Sir G. GREY, the clause was agreed to. On clause two being proposed, Mr. SHAW ruse to object to the unlimited power the clause gave for administering relief to the able-bodied poor. He de clared his intention of taking the sense of the Committee upon it when the clause was put to the vote. Mr. STAFFORD O'BRIEN moved an amendment, in effect placing the power of administering out-door relief solely and absolutely in the hands of the boards of guardians. Sir GEORGE GREY resisted the amendment. In Eng• land they had experienced the danger t,f such a power, and he could net, therefore, consent to the alteration proposed by the Hon. Gentleman opposite. It would place the guardians beyond the control of the Poor-law Commisssioners, and might lead to considerable mischief. Mr. GROG \.N supported the amendment. Mr. LABOUCHERE admitted that the success of this law would depend in a great degree upon the exertions of the Board of Guardians; but, still, after the experience they had had in this country of the existence of this discretionary power, he could not consent to the amendment which was sought to be introd . .ced into the clause. Mr. SIDNEY HERBERT did not think the amendment ought to be acceded to. Mr. HAMILTON considered the principle of giving out door relief to the able-bodied poor was highly objectionable; but, if it were to be established, he thought it should be ac companied with the proviso contained in the amendment. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER entertained a very different opinion. If there was no room to relieve the able-bodied poor in the work-house, they ought to be relieved out of it ; but before out-door relief was given the guardians should be required to prove two facts—first, that the work house was lull, and, secondly, that the person seeking for relief was really destitute and in want. After a few words from Mr. Bellew, Mr. Dillon Browne, Mr. Vesey, a. d Sir G. Grey, Mr. NEWDEGATE objected to the introduction of the proposed words. Captain LAYARD thought the proposed clause gave too much power to the board of guardians, the result of which would be, to give great dissatisfaction to the people. After a few words from Sir B. HALL and Mr. D. BROWNE. Mr. STAFFORD O'BRIEN said that he was perfectly satisfied that English Members did not fully understand the nature of Irish business. It must appear plain to every ore, from the tone of the remarks made to-night, and of those made last evening, that the most opposite views were entertained even on the subject of the value of Irish laud. He thought that the amendments he had proposed would be of con siderable service in giving effect to he measure before the Committee, and tending also to promote its e t ciency, he was sorry that the Government had opposed his amendments, and under such circuii.stances he felt himself bound to with draw his an.endments. The amendments were accordingly withdrawn. On clause 2 t A.) being read, Mr. P. SCROPE moved some amendments, having the effect of giving power to the Commissioners to afford out-door relief to able-bodied paupers. He thought that the poor.law for Leland ought to be of the same nature as that which existed in this country. The Hon. Member went on to refer to a meet ing held a short time since in Ireland, on the subject of the poor-laws, and drew the attention of the House to the nature of the resolutions passed at that meeting, to the effect, that the rights of property were only secondary to the rights of exist ante, and that the property of the country ought to support its poverty. Mr. LABOUCHERE believed the workhouse test would be the most stringent one, and he thought that labour shoe' t net be too much relied upon as a test for relief, for many cases had come under the notice of the Government, where the labourers preferred to receive relief in the Government works, at a lower rate than they would have received from private employment. He thought it much better, therefore, to frame the law so as to stimulate the employment of the labourers by the proprietary of the country ; and unless this was kept in view more hirm than good would result. He was, therefore, of opinion that the workhouse test should not be abandoned for the labour test, which would be found to be wholly inapplicalne to the circumstances of the country. After a few words from Mr. O'BRIEN and Mr.DILI-on B R OWNE, Sir GEORGE GREY said that the proposition of the Hon. Member would have the effect of making permanent the present. system of public works in Ireland.—(Cheers.) Mr. FERR AND said that disease prevailed to so great an extent in workhouses, that 225 persons had died is one week in the Cork workhouse. Mr. LA BOUCIIERE said that provision was made for that in the Bill then before the House, and every board of guardians in Ireland would have the power to make provision for such a state of things. SHAW then rose to propose the omission of clause 21 (A.). a uthorising out-door relief to the able-bodied poor. He considered, that if this principle were introduced, that supply and demand would be completely deranged, and that it would open a door t d o frau. He cons What heidered that out-door relief ould only be given to the sick and disabled. - "ected t o was, that they should ho ld it out at the p resent mo ment above all others, when a gigantic system of out-door relict was in operation, by telling the people, in va-t numbers employed on the public works, that when they were suTended, and they stood in need of relief, as no doubt they would, that they should have out-door relief. At the present moment 700,000 heads of families, representing no doubt 3,000,000 perms, wore Planting upon public charity in Ire- - - - . land. To hold out to able-bodied persons that they should care, in its administration, still be . firm's believed that to that he entitled to out-door relief would destroy every rn hive to rue -lee, end to the su rress...lon d of vagrancy and mendicerev, independenee—t o that self- rel'aitce on which th • 11,,t , th, a ere indebted for tite l s ci . ei or er which had eharacterited t Cie Hononrabir Baronet the Member for Tamworth hail :`(.,, •y el England, andwas one great reasinentbei%oinnndorsvtrys laid so Intich st.ess— tht:Se 5.4 , yen nunered thousstsd tails, eel ceituuis-ree, had -it: been so successful persons would at once be tsaesf e r re d f ront public works to re- ( Hear, bear-) - He_cordessed he felt great difficulty i n O i l r . o — .. ceice relief under the Bill before the Flows. In six counties diming the measare at the present time, but he did so in order —Slier), Reeeommen. Leitrim. (latticeY. Clareand Mato. to eff im ectthe future improvement of Ireland.—( Ch eers. ) 1,30',0 . 0 oersoris were at p re s era receiine assistance stance in ;l u te . I% LEFROY, who rose amid loud cries cf " Diviiite" said shape of employment un d er the L o b e , R ate Act; but th a t alter t h e speech they food heard from the Noble-Lord, he the whole of the rates in thu e esuuties was only one kit it his duty to make some observations to the House with million seven hundred thousand pounds; it was therefore a respres to the deputation which had waited upon his Lordship . mockery and a delusion to say that the rates could support such a He, and the others, ahr torr i e t ed that deeutareen, did not think va st number. He admitted that the land must n o o f w th e taxed they were asking too much h r . ' e t questing him to give some at tn a greater extent than heretofore for the support The famine was the difficulty by which the Noble Loertif)o vr o a r a . tentio . n to the . resew' ton w tic they were notructed to place before him And before he told tee House what the result of pressed, and to meet it he proposed a permanent measure for that interview was, he would take the liberty of re a di ng the what was a temporary calamity. He f e l t certa i n that the Go recommendation of the Puor-law Cemmissiouers to the Govern vernment were introducing a principle of w hi c h t h ey did no . t ment.—(Loud ud cries of '• Or l oh," and much confusion.) ) Now, approve—a principle which he believed w ou ld b e productive of having alluded so far—( far—( Coe ' lt Co l e ' , of -f ( th. oh,' " Div ' ele. ' divide,'' much evil and diaster. There was a latent disposition to in_ anti marks of imp atience)— the Hon. Member proceeded to read dustry in the people, and it ought to be th e p rov i nce of the from the report, but so much contusion prevailed, that , :he Hon. Government to stimulate instead of deadenin g it, an d it the Itlenther's eoteewas screce:t audible. Havir g thus alluded to people knew that there was a permanent law to compel th e the Pthe lawCommis 1 •rs . , he would proceed tostate what were Government to support them, they would be inclin e d to remain the oornie ns of fit suf l indolent. For these rea ons he would move the omission of oh, oh." arid a varier) gentlemen.— s 1 tit the House. ) clause 2 (Al in the Bill, and when the time come he was What, said Dr. Doyle ) .-7G uj n i , ea ul t i l :c t Hea' parts sorry to ttespass prepared to take the sense of the House upon it.—( Hear.) "Pon the patience of the House —( Increased contusion.) Mr. D. BROWNE said that the, e was a g enera l ° v ine s') i n He hat a t uty to perk; m are! he trusted • they would allow him Ireland that out-door relief was the only system of relief agree- a heririg.-- e Cr sof 4: Divid, laid,,'- able to the people of Ireland. —( Laughter.) And he hoped The' Hon. Member of which was quite intim:dee and tben proceeded . to here read several f tl a r . e u s ' e l . o; ( i ) n i t ' rns o . h il ' i ' e ) that the Government would persevere in their intention.. statement The landlords of Irele e d had neglected their duty, and some say, that if such be th e case to Ireland, could they, unless they decisive step ought to be taken. aiioeted oth e r measures, confer the the relish required Mr. YOUNO. said he w a s of opinion that the property ee there were great a pp l ications for r el ief , there would be' a nd if double Ireland should support the poor, and with th at v i ew h e sup- the number i f they adoptedthep a r r t ,m b o e si a t ;. f 0 , ?) of e Noble Lord. ported the measu re of th e N o ble L o rd s o me a ear s since to in- ( Cries of " Oh, oh," an d ~ He He would' assert troduce a poor-law into I re l an d, which hail gr effected many col- that this law could never b e carried out without aeat mili lateral advantag e s. H e , howev e r, consid e red that the tars force, arid he would rat h er t h at a tax w:l9 levied or, the first clause of the Bill would more than double landlords of Ireland.—( Cries of " Divide, divide," and great the present rates of Ireland. ( Hear, h e ar.) Since eoniusein, and ft Chai r , c h air .") I f the Noble Lord were to many who would find their support from private resources, press this matter. he would be gut tirg the throws of the holders of property.---(Loud cri es o f Divide," and ••Hear, h ear .") . anti who would never e n te r a wor khou s e, wou ld no w se e k and obtain relief. He, therefore, considered that the objections of The Hare Gentleman then recurred to the opinions w hich had the Right Him. Gentleman the Member for the University of been expressed upon the Bill, . Here there was sufficient au- Dublin were not exaggerated. With regard to the second thority for the opposition that had been . xpressed.— (Divide, clause, he was of opinion that it introduced a most dangerous dive, and Hear, hear. ) Lord D-von's Commis-ion expressed principle—it contemplated a permanent remedy for what was . the same thine,.—( Oh, oh.) Now, he would ask of t he Noble only a temporary evil, and was only calculated to alarm and , Lord to recorisider rhisquestion—( Renewed contu:ion)—for his mislead. There was nothing in the * Rill which made it at all ' objections were not founded upon any opinions of his. There necessary that out-door relief should be given to he Irish , were no schemes of his, asel b•. fore this law was passed he pauper. He had an extra c t from a letter written by a gen- would ask of the Nuble Led to give them power over their tleman employed on the Comtnisi"n both in England and Ire- property, and to give them a suppl. nientary Act to prevent land, which stated that those who were employed on out-door that subdivision of tenon cy which had been the ruin of Ireland works were demoralised, and their employment generated a had by legislatien.- ( Renewed madmion ) He would ask another feeling between te e m an d th e ordinary working classes. The . quest:en and request ate tier teon, and teat was, that all pro provisions of this Bill had generated a very great feeling o f a l ern , party in Ireland should be made to share the burdens.— Amongst the proprietors of land in Ireland, in the celerity t f ( Divide, divide.) There was at the pre.. ut time large for- Cavan, there were three unions in which the respectivs ratings tunes made in Ireland, and if tacilities were to be given to were already 7 1 ,4 d., 9 te'sd., and 10. id. in the pound, and up. n . business—if the great them were to be improved—it capital such rating would the Government attempt to enforce the ad. was to hate fair play in one way it ought to have it in another. ditional expense of out-door relief. In the last census taken, —(Renewed confusion. ) The country was becoming civi it was found that in that county there was one lised, and there ought to be some measures pr 'posed tor car labourer to nine statute acres, that was to say rying that civilisation into all pats of it.—(Fresh cries twice as many as co uld b e e mpl o y e d, even supposin g of "Divide, divide," ar.d " Question, question.") He did their agriculture to be of the very best deseription. not wish to press on the patience ot the House.—( Cries He was afraid that before the agriculture of Ire'and attained a of " Divide, divide,' and " Chair.") There ass so much 1 high pitch, years upon y ears o f exp e rie nce must be gone confuoon In the House that it was a i m e st i mpossi bl e to report ' through - but in its present condition it was impossible fur it t o ' the Hun, Member's observ a ti o n s . Il e gave h er Itlaje s ty'. G o .. support the burden about to be placed on it. vernment credit for being actuated by tit. best motives, but he Lard JOHN RUSSELL said that the Right Hon. Gentle- . desired that they should berm - Mee other mea-ur -0, whi c h h a d man who had moved this clause in Committee upon this Bill, been recommeneted by commission mom commission. Th e cone proceeded in his speech upon a fallacy. The Right Hon, elusion of the lion. lientleteau's speech was lust amid loud Gentleman seemed to suppose, and to take it for granted, that . cries or " Division." the present state of Ireland was to be a criterion for the present 1 Mr. ROSS, who was al mos t inauti in the gallery fro m poor-law. In his argument. he had asked, how is this clause 1 the loud noise which prevaileti in the House, was unders too d t o and this Bill to provide for the prevent calamitous necessities say that he would vote tor the Gevernmeet on th e p re . of Ireland. He should admit at once. a , he had already ad- I sent oeca-iiin, Attiough lie was not w illing to nutted in the course of that evening. that he did not think ; give its unqualified support. He behest. if, however, that that a permanent poor-law, or any permanent law would pro- I the tioierittnent were bound to try every measure in order vide for a state of things so calamitous as they at present ex- Ito ri meoy the calamity which had befallen Inlaid. The ex is'ed in Ireland. Wnen he heard the Right Honourable Gen I perimera was a lime .u. on e In iris (elation tour acres would tleman say that there were 300,000 persons now residing in I now be nisufficient to support a fatuity, for he believed that it Mayo, and that the property of that county was not I world require ten acres, by reason of the potato failure. He sufficient to support them by out-door relief, he must say that wou n d not lend the teoveriiment his support mein the present they could not expect that the Right Hon. Gentleman's occasion, were it not that with the meesure they had intro. description referred to the usual stare of things in Ireland. duced others mitigatory of the evils likely to aiteed it; and with He could not admit that the present Bill, and particularly the this feeling he would vote against the amendment of the Right clause then under consideration, was to be tried by such a Hon. Gentleman. test, and indeed if they were to try it by that test, Sir H. W. BARRON said that this question was one of ho w completely would all the circumstances mentioned the must vital importance to Irish prop let, 5, and be trust e d by the Right Honourable Gentleman fail. Th e R ig h t th ere f ore th a t the House weuto are.w hint to make one or two Honourable Gentleman had sa d that he did nut observations. It the House would Low hint he would direct correctly represent the views of the deputation which he sa w its attention to certain return:, which he held in his hand— upon that subject. He was very sorry if he had not correctly returns a hteh (although he gave every credit to Government represented their views on what he had said, but certainly he for the care and a renrien they had exhibited in rise framing did wish to convey what they had said, and he admitted of this measure) would he was afraid prove that their expecte the importance of the observations of the gentlemen whom he tions were likely to be disappointed. The Hon. Baronet then then saw. The Right Hon. Gentleman said, that went into a lengthened calci,laiion to show that it England with one of their declarations represented that they were a rental of 62,05/o,oooe per annum was rated 5,000,000:. for fully prepared to admit that property in Ireland should be th e maintenance of 1,600,000 paupers, Ireland, with only a burdened to any extent for the purposes of indoor relief. Let rental of 13,000,e0 /., aim a pauper population of 2,3e0,000,, the House apply that system of indoor relief to that which wouro, at the rate of 2 7s tid, each person be charged not less gietoe con of the Right Hon. Gentleman took as the u-ual state of things in than e. 000,060., an ainoutit whi c h h e felt conviticeo could not Ireland. Let them try that as compared with 'he present s a'e be skid. d by the counts}'. It wa of things in Ireland. Let hem take 700.000 persons, heads tion to vote again s t th e Alitiistrs , although nolebt , hisses stry could r. h not is tin of families, representing 3,000,00 0 persons, and who coal h is t ears that their anticipations tit the good that wou ld so would build workhouses to contain that nairiber? — suit from this melt-tire were too sanguin e . ( Hear, hear.) Yet if they look, the Right Honourable Mr. El I ZGEKALD'next addressed the House. but n Gentleman's argument in its application to the present Bill sentence reached the ga ll ery . ‘1 e understood him to say that u a and to the (resent state of things ie Ireland, and if they took when the religiose, houses t a d b een suppress. in in Ireland, a the it as well for itself as for the measure to be proposed, he did 43d of Elizabeth, or what was common!) termed the English not remember anything of very great importance which was Peor-law, ought t o h ave b een introduced into that country, proposed as a substitute, except the system of in-door relief, Air SHAW le:ed. li e would nut d e t a i n h e H ouse l on " th longer. which system, be it remembered, was contained in the i resent He merely wi4ied to say, in reply to one remark of the Noble Act of Parliament for the poor-law fir Ireland. It was Lord, that by giving in-door relief the unemployed would not therein enacted, that if there was not sufficient room in the come for it, but be stimulated to depend on their own exertions, workhouse it should be lawful for the board of guardians to but by giving out-door relief they would come for it, and lose raise money for the purpose of building a new work- Ouse, or all self- retiance, and thus become entirely- dependent on the of making additions to the existing workhouses. That Bill poor-rates. had not provided fora state of thines at all re-entitling the pre- The Committee then divided, when there appeared-- sent calameies of I, eland. Would the Right Him. Gentleman For the c1au5e........ ... 242 who had thus argued from the present state of things show Against it ..... how vague the poor-law might be to remedy them. The Right Henourable Gentleman who had just sat down had proceeded upon a fallacious argument, for he had represented it as the wish of the Government that outdoor relief should be the determined rule, arid int deer relief the exception, in Ireland. He thought that the Hot. Gentleman in that respect had 'nista derstood both tee Bill which was then proposed and the observations which lie (Lord John Russell) had made to the House bettor the Speaker left the chair that evening. He had never argued that it was fit or desirable that out-door relief and help should be given as a general rule from the unions of Ireland. He was not of opi neon that, in itself, it was a desirable Ss stem. '1 te Hon. Gentleman would admit, that no labour given in the rural parishes of England was a sufficient test of the existing desti tution. He entirely subscribed to that sentiment. The system of out-door relief had been decried. but how was the Government to relieve those who were suffering, unless by a system of out-door relief, when the workhouses were full ? This case he had stated when he formerly addressed the House, and he now wished to fix 'heir attention on it, as being the ordinary mode of relief In this respect take the law of England. It was sufficient for the purpose of meeting the destitution of the country, and all he asked was, that they would make the law of Ireland also sufficient for the same purpose, In illus tration he would call the attention of the House to a case of great distress at Todmorden some years ago. In this parti cular case the workhouse was quite full, arid the guardians . f the poor ordered that the able. bodied should receive aset• door relief. The law was. that the guardians should apply some test, to show that the party who might seek relief was really destitute, and with this view, that the relief shouts( be given in food and in the workhotoe, or out of t. e workhouse if there was not accommodation within.—(Hear. ) He asked should that !Tiled be denied to Ireland, and that there should be no sufficient resources for the guardians when the workhouse was full, but that they should be obliged to say we cannot see you die of hunger, but we have no alternative, as the law prevents us raising the necessary funds ?—( Hear, hear.) For such a case as this he proposed the peseta system of relief. He did so, because he was afraid that in the years before them—though the calamity of destitution might not exist to its pr sent extent—that very serious distress woutd be ' found to pervade Ireland. The Hem Gentleman who had just spoken said, and said truly, that there were three times the number of agricultural labourers to the laud of Irelaiiti compared to what there were on the best cultivated districts of England ; and four times the number there were on the ave rage or English land. Still there must be some way or other of providing for these Irish labourers.—(Cheers.) There had grown up an unfortunate confidence, not only among the poorest, but among the richest, of that country, in the potato as the food of the people.—(Hear, hear.) This being so, and considering the failure of the crop, it could not be expected that the potato would ever again constitute the permanent ferid of the people to the same extent as before. Other crops would have to take the place i f the potato in order to supply the same quantity of food which that root before supplteu. But he said that in order to do so, and 'n ord. r to lead to a be'ter system of cultivation. they could have no other resource SO good as charging the pro erty of Ireland with the maintenance os the destitute poor.—( Ch. en.) He also believed, as it respected the ori 'nary condition of the country, and the suppression of vagranct and mendictty, that this measure would operate in a beneficial manner ; that, as it regarded the bad habits which these engendered, no scheme would be so good, in putting an end to them, and in operating as an inducement to both landlords and farmers to impr. ee their system of cultivation. It would cause the abandonment of useless and unpro luctive works, and be the means of engaging the labourers in the cuttivation of tht fields. In tuture there would be greater cultivation of land than there Imo been, tor unless the soil was much mote scientificelly werked, the pool lation could not be in a satisfactory or happy state. A great transition would take place, one of much difficulty and clauger, and it behoved the Government, in con•ulting all the interests of the country, to consider what measure would be best calcu fated to a•sist the i ciliary through. Taking the advice if Sir R. Kane in his excellent work on the industrial resources of Ireland, they would have to consider the most adequate and best mode of cultivating the laud and increasing its produce. He thought that the I mode of living cf the Irish poor, their habits indolent and slothful, arising out of the great facility of procuring food wit h little labour, and their wretched dwelliugs destitute of all do h mestic comforts, in a great degree were the cause of no th longer , t want of skill and energy among them. But the labisu rers would be a cam-e depending on the potato for food, be belie ved why the farmers would greatly improve in believed that nothe cultivation of their lands, and in general habits . - labourers were more capable i y "f t exert i on heir pow e rs shan none could ' more advantageously m the Irish labourers.—( Hear e ,hea lo r". ) Luring he had made at the time th e measure of the Noble inquiries which Noble Lord the Member tor Lynn respect in g railway's, was under considera tion, he (Lord John Ru ssell) had b obtainedsome informatien on that for the first two or this subject. He was in formed that is hart been said, when Irish labourers went on railway work,deal learn, but the work of three weeks they had a good da . education went rapidly on, sad it was found that in six weeks they could labour as well as any of the others.—( Hear, English labourers on hear.) In France, where the railways were paid higher rates of wages then French labourers, the Irtshine•. were reckoned equ'lly skilful with the Elighsh and. geed) wed paid.—(Hear. hear.) If, therefore, such were the dis p osition and power of the Irish labourers, why not direct them to the cultivation of the land, and thus occupied why might the not expect them to be as good and skilful? — (Hear , hear.) It was his strong belief that the present measure would ca use a new existence among the Irish farmers and labourers. At present there was a great difference in many parts of Ireland, for though some diet' lets he could not look upon but with alarm, in others great exertion was making for the next harvest, and altogether a greater breadth of land was sown them there had ever been before, being the beginning of a new state of existence, and a new system of cultivation.—(Hear, hear, ) If they looked to the past history of the English poor-law, they would find that at first it was provided that the able-bodied labourers, who would not work, should be sent to the workhouse as a punishment, and obliged to wear is badge of disgrace, Subsequently they had recoutse to another system. I, the reign of George the Ist, the workhouse test wae introduced, obliging those who were out of emicoyunint arid (testi - me, while there was room in the workhouse to gu its i here , so as to show that if they were really in want of food and shelter, it,eir going in there was proof of th- it condition, and food and shelter would then be accordingly given, care at the sanse time being taken that the relief should not make the condition of the recipient better than that of the independent labourer, — (Hear, bor.) Such a systcm rat 911 t which required gre 3 Majority for the clause `‘o6 The House then resumed. The CHAIR NIAN reported progress, and obtained leave to t again on Monday, to consider the ten:mining clauses of the THE PRISONS BILL AND THE CUSTODY OF OF FENDERS BILL were, on the motion of Sir G. GREY, read a second time and ordered to be committed. The other orders of the day were then disposed of,' and' the House adjourned at a Quarter before One o'clock. • AILWAY COMMITrEES. (YESTERDA Y.) HOUSE OF COMMONS. GROUP I. The Select Committee appointed to consider the merits of the Bills comprised in this Group re-assembled in Room 30 at the usual hour this morning; Lord Granville Somerset in the chair. NORTH KENT LINE. Mr. Bidder's evidence was confirmed. The line from Strood to Chilham was an exteneion'ot the Gravesend and Roches ter line. It would cross the Medway on a railway bridge, and .xtend on to Halstowe, where it branched off to Sheer ness, crossing the Swale on a wooden bridge. Emerging from Haistowe the line entered a tunnel of 400 yards, then skirted the north side of Sittingbourne, then e 'reactied Favers h2in, and terminated in junction with the existing line from Ashford to Canterbury at the Chilham station. There would be a station at Rochester, Chatham, Strood, Milton, Hal. stowe, Faversham, and a variety of road-side stations. By the present line the distance from London to Canterbury was 80 miles; it would be reduced by the new line to 60 miles and 7 furlongs. There was no doubt, in an engineering point of view, the South-Eastern line was far superior to the Brighton line. The Brighton lines encountered difficulties at Boughton-Lill which it would be alm ,, st impossible to overcome. These difficulties were avoided by the South- Ewen) line. There were two tunnels on the Brighton line from Maidstone to Canterbury, one 2,95:5. and the other 1,478 yards in let.gth. The gradients were extremely severe, while the line, as from London to Canterbury, was two miles shorter than the South• Eastern (North Kent) line. THE ESTIMATES. The estimated cost of the hue from London to Bromley was 70,0001., and from Lewi.ham to Croydon, 142,0001. The estimated cost of the line tram Strood to Chillintn, in— cluding the branch to Sheerness and Faversham, was 965,000/.. The estimated cost of the line from Maidstone to Chart was. 414,0001. The estimated cost of the Maiqstone and Strood, as an integral line was 275,0001.; the estimated cost of the Dartford branch was 64,0004, and the estimated cost of the Ali Kent, from the junction with the Dartford Branch t o Maid , tone, Paddock-wood, and To:•bridge, was 1.016,0001., making a grand total of 1,966,0 4 101. The total estimate of the Brighton Company for tite.e lines W 143 1,900,000/. This clos,d Mr. Bidder's examination in chief Ha was, cross-examined at some length by Mr. Talbot, but his former evidence remained unhhaktu. The Committee adjourned at four o'clock till Monday. STANDING ORDERS COMMITTER The Committee met 3'esterday at twelve o'clock. The following were the decisions come to during the course of the day : MIDLAS.D RAILWAY (WORCESTER, HEREFORD, MALVERN, AND CHELTENHAM LINES, WITH BRANCHES TO SUDhURY). Standing ordkrs not io be liiSHEDiled with. IMPORTANT ANN OUNCEMENT. MANCHE,,TER AND SOUTHAMPTON (No. 2). Allowed to pr awed on coliditiod of depositing new plans and sections of the datum Nue The Committee were occupied nearly the entire day with this case, and the greatest excitement was evinced respect— ing the decision, which was not announced until half-past four o'clock. The lobloies were crowded to excess. AMERICAN RELIEF OF IRISH FAMINE.—The Irish Relief Fund is swelling up. New York has contributed nearly 40,000 dollars in all, and the same energetic mows. tnent is going forward in Boston, Albany, Utica, Philadel phia, Baltimore, Washington, Cincinnati, New Orleans, &c. It is impossible tor us to give every instance of individual charity in the various cities. We shall endeavour to keep the run of contrioutions in this city, and eventually we hope to receive fr..m the relief committee full lists of all the dona tions made in the city and neighbourhood for Ireland and Scotland. At the city of Newark, New Jersey, a meeting has been held, 1,500 dollars subscribed, and measures adopted to send out a ship laden with grain for the Irish poor. Mr. M. 11. Grinnell, the shipping merchant, h as wa de arrangements to deliver in Ireland, a t hi s own " eX" pense, 1,000 bushels of corn presented by Mr. James Wadsworth, 9i Genessee, Livingston county, New York. - A lady in this city has sent 1,000 dollars to the relief committee, but she modestly withholds her name. The New York relief ship *Victor, now loading at same time a d ago, C twerehi a c c it h y ea , p, wa b s y chartered mes srs.when freights cheerfully transferred th e i r favourable bargain o n eri wh o cheerfully I , e • , ho erelief committee. At Cin c i nnat i , Ohio, 3,000 dollars were sub- . , scribed in one eve n i ng , and co mmittees appointed to increase, gathevesucmo. dAoltlaNrse,wanitexir Bedford, M assachusetts, r Mr. Rotch, jun. - lowland 300 dollars; and Mr. E. Harris, of \Voonsocket, Rhode Island, 500 dollars. Rochester has contrib ute d 1 , 00 0 dollars. . The Catholic Church at Boston has contributed 5,387 dollars.—New York Sun, Feb. 24. An acre of beet will vield as much true food as five acres of oats, or three antra half of wheat. Sugar beet makes excellent bread; nearly as good, that is to say as nutritive, as wheaten bread ; and therefore it is clear, that a man who has an acre of that kind of root, is in the position of the man who has three and a half acres of wheat ready for the sickle. It aft acre of wheat will produce one thou—, :land loaves, an acre of sugar beet Will produce three thou sand five hundred. ~, A cmoroissi.in Tif three members is about to pro- ceed to the Island of Java to study the mocle,ot culture prae• tised in that country, with a view to its introduction, if suit ble, Into Algeria.--Gaignani. ;