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upon which it was founded. Tt wasin aOnsteeetice of having been driven to this duty that he had, during the last four or five days, given this sobje& a great deal of attention, and he canfessed that he could not find any arguments whatever, that satis fled him of the propriety of stopping the Distilleries altogether. Heying' upon a' former occasion troulaleel-the House .upon this subjeec, he should not now. occupy =eel) of their time, but there were some circumstances which: he . begged particularly to cdlrio ttie afteiitioh theHoifse. -- It - was a•-fart perfegly well known; that-darting-the last. century, but especially during, the last 20 years, the popula, • non of this Country ipetincreaseo . very considerably.: The disturbances oh the Continent, foe the last nine or ten ,years, had. thrown almost the trade of the .1-et:TM i < rrto our hands. The-consequence Wee, that ,our consumption e had very conSiderably increased. It cceld not have escaped theobservation of the House,. that out importation -pf all sorts of grain, Iliad, of late. years, increased most..ftodigiouly, and this. :cilcunstance could : only .be accounted for in. - this: manner, that feom the sudden and ireruense increase . of our Comeneece„a great proportion of capital was eepplied to Trade. This naturally increased con . aituaption, becauae from the general diffusion of wealth, those who some years ago received only nine or; ten .shillings a week for their labour, now .received nearly twice . as much, and of course their mode -0 living was proportionably increased. It .was therefore ampossible that Agriculture Could at once quite keep pace with such a . sudden increase iii the coesureptior. 1-le.haa )lowever, the satisfaction of stating, 'that - the had struggled to keep pace with this great . increase in the - demand, anti that great and essential improvements had been . made, so that, if can ,t4ae ,one hand therdemand'was augmented, so, on the other hand, had the exertion Ace r saipplyit, -.Under such circumstances, the I'ouse e ponici..4cate.he, was -stare, throw obstac4's is thefwey of cultiVation, but would - rather ahataie from all iftrfrArvice, in the application 'of. Capital. Even -that; wise, ...measure which Parliament had adopted thei situation in -which the Country=was, ,he . oosideted; it a wise measure). of giving Bounties for 41aalinpa),rtation ofeorn,was adopted with reludance; because it was right to suffer great inconvenience be fore they suffered the iapportation of Forc7gn Corn.: . seise. GeVernment - w.otild only. edmit of :such ince e pertation in eases of extremity, because by weether .ing thedifficulty with firmness,. they would, after_ words feel themselves rewarded by finding - the 'pro: duce equel to the eonsereption, and by obtaining a probable security against such difficulties - in fliture.' If this principle was applied to the case before the liouse,•it must be . the wish - of every body to en_ courage every, effort to increase the produetion of the country, and by no means to check the sPieiradeul- • ,tivatioe. ..It was the principle of our ancestors to: encourage the exportation of Corn by bounties, and dinp later titres the Legislators suffered_ Corn_ to be' , used for varioes purposes: of trade in every mode that was thought proper. The . corise . quence was, that much was used for the nistilkries ; and could . Man clCulit that the Distilleries had contributed .... very materially:to increase the produetiop•of Bar ' ley ? Or did any Man doubt, that if they 'were upon - every inocinvenience to stop the Distilleries; that the consequence would ultimately be, that they would stop altogether, and then Government must come back to that wise sytero which they had abandoned. 'WoUld any Gentleman assets, that itherenow existed such an absOlUte necessity as Would justify then) in 'preventing` the. distillation . from Grain k In answer to this itiestidn, it would be necessary- to . inquire to what . purposes Barley was applied ? It was used for making bread, for feeding swine, and for malting for beer and spirits. —tet - any man look at' the price:of flailey and of Vheat at presept, and'he would . Confess' that the price of the latter was such' as to indneepeople to use the former in Bread, if they were at all disposed ' so to do, becaus,eat the present price of Barle'y, the loaf would cost about seven-pence . ; therefore it was not from 'want of cheapness that the people did not now use if fer Bread. As to feeding the "swine , with it, thank God the abundance of:the late har vest, which was perhaps the most produCtive ever 'known, had rendered that unnecessary, because the crops of Pease and I?otatoes, both' of - which ,were used for that. purpose, were beyond example .greaa. It ‘.ya.s therefore not now necessary to give Barley to the swine; brut , even if it was, the refuse frrini the Distillerieswould answer that purpose. But there Was another, objet to by taken into'consideration,and that was, the price of - Meat, for it Was well known that the Opening of the Distilleries would not only lower the price of Pork but of Meat in' 'general. He came now to consider Barley as used for Melting for Beer. and Spirits, and he trusted he had satisfied the Honst that the Price of 'Bread would not be ,bffeded 'by Opening the Distilleries, and that the - Price of. Meat. would - be reduced:by it. He had upon a former occasion - stated, that -Barley could not be exported from Ireland when it seas above a cer tain prier, and therefore we could not at present get it from Ireland in the shape of Grain. Now as the produce ofithat Grain had been very abundaet this year in Ireland, the Grower must seek a market for is produee, and it was in distillation alone that be could find such a market. He trusted, how_ ever, that it would be found that the• interest of • both countriea would be promoted. ,by a free interchange of Grain between them, and that' we should in fiiture receive great supplies from Ireland, which we had been Obliged to get from ether- Countriea at a large expetice. If' Ireland was prevented from exporting her grain, - she must hive recourse to distillation to consume it, end s if Goverpment were to prevent her from distil.' ling legitimately, the consequence was, that it would be done . fraudulently, and- unfortunately no Country - had: more places in which such a kind of prafti'ee :Could b. carried on, with less danger of Bete ion : r, The.consuluence of this would be, that our markets would be crowded with Spirits so dis e tilled, to-the ts:iiet injury of the 'fair, Trader, and to the setiotesdiminution Of the . Iteeenue.' besides, , he wished seriously to ask the HouSe, whether it iyas ceonsistent with justice or policy (except in 'ex treme 'cases), to iripose such restriCtiOTlS as those ewort !r,en of charatteraindeapital; as the Distillers 4v ere "k ) The'effed of theie frequent interruptions in 'their :trade ; v mild be to unhinge their opinion in the justice and good faith of Parliament and At last induct them to withdraw altogether from thatgratle in which they had been engaged ; indeed he knew from communications he had, that if these eneasures'were persisted in, it would induce them to withdraw wholly front this trade. It was not a wise system of policy, nor was it consistent with the charaeter and genius of this Country,. to impose re straints upon trade, unless there was an absolute ne. cessity for it. It was true, as had been stated upon a former occasion, that if the Distilleries were open ed, the effect. upon the Grain Market would not be exactly in proportion to the quantity taken out for The purpose of distilling, that is to say, if 257,000 quarters of Barley were,, for the purpose of £stil ling, to be taken out . of the,whele crop of 6,000,000 quarters, it would r4othe Market higher - than it ought ,to do with a reference to these two quan.. titles. But it was to" be observed, that the expeaation of a demand for the Distilleries had increased the Price, more than if the 250,000. quarters of Barley had been by any accident - destroyed, and 'he verily believed, that if the Distilleries had been going on fc;r the last - three months, the.price of -Barley would have been lower than it now, is. :He had the pleasure , of observing, that within tbe.last few _days the price had ,declined. He wished much he could agree with Gentlemen, for whose opinions he bad the highest respea, but on such a subjea-as this he cdtld 'not he a party to opinions which 114 mind did not approve of. With regard to the Bill imposing Dnties upon Molasses, &c. it certainly was attended with many difficulties, and he believed it would be necessary to postpone the further consideration of it till after the gems, • but in the mean time no bad effeCt could be produced from the delay. He would not now detain the House any, lorger„. except , merely to repeat what appeared ..to hire a consideration of the greatest importance, viz. that if the legitimate Distilleries were_sOppecLin, same quaotity'of Grain would be fraudulently. distilled, and conse. quently•the fair Trader and the Revenue would be equally injured. Mr. WILBERFORCE and the CHANCELLQIL of the ExeriEQUER severally explained. Mr; ALEXANDER supported the Motion, be_ cause if the Distilleries'were to be stopped, it would only - transfer the, trade yarn the fair Trader to the Smuggler. It ~ vas the interest of Ireland to. grow Oats,. and if she was. not allowed to distil from them by Law, they . would do..it by stealth. Sir JOHN PARNELL said, that the arguments in general. had gone to skew the propriety of suf fering the Distilleries from Barley to continue, but the objea.of what he had urged, was to skew that the distillery from Oats should not be allowed, — Oats couldnOt be exported from Ireland when they were Aboe a certain price, and by opening the Distilleries, they would'be immediately raised above the .Export price. The CHANCELLOR .of the EXCHEQUER. ex plained. . Mr, WILBERFORCE explained. Mr. WILLIAM DUNDAS observed, that there had been in Scotland a more abundant harvest of Oats than had been known for a long period of time, which were likely to be extremely cheap, even as low as IL per boll, if not lower. It was certainly necessary that the Farmer should have a sufficient profit out of the produce of his Land, but if Oats became lower than al. per boll, it wab pro bable from the little prdfit arising in-that case to the Farmer, that much of the Land DOW cultivated with Qats would be turned to Pasture. Oats, he said, had never been used in distillation in Scotland. Mr. CURRY explained. Lord GLENBE . RVIE said, that a great deal of the Barley used in the distillery both in this Country and Scotland was untualted Barley, much of it being damaged and incapable of being malted. One kind of the Barley used in the 13istilliries in Scotland, 1,a5 . ,.hel said, unmalted. _ = - Mr. N. VANSITTART said, that the. principal objet of his Motibn was to assimilate the Law of the United Kingdom, Mr. ROSE did not think that one-third of the Barley Used in the Distilleries was damaged ; and he doubted much whether 26,00 0 .quarters of da maged. Barley were'. used in that, way. A Paper had, he said, been put into his.hand, by a respetta hie 'Magistrate, staring, that the stoppage of the Distilleries had occasioned a loss of soo,oool. to the Public Revenue: he did nor by any means think. so, but conceived that nearly, if not-quite as much, had arisen to the Revenue from the distillation from. Molasses and Sugar. as before. He thought it. an, erroneous opinion that the Distilleries did not af-, feo the market. Almost all of them were near the Capital, and nearly all the Barley Wanted for those Distilleries was purchased in the Metropolis. This necessarily had the effeet of raising the market in the Capital, by which means all the other markets in the kingdom were affeaed. He did not wish, he , said, to press any thing upon the House, but merely io mike a plain, naked- statement. • The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER and me: Rosa severally explained._ TAt:SPEAKER submitted to the House whether, as there,was an Aft in Ireland relative to this sub. jea . , it ought not to be explained.' Mr. CORRY said,. there had usually been an . A& passed every year in Ireland to prohibit the distillation of .Spirits from any grain except Malt'. This prohibition however not having beeri renewed, distillation might at the present moment ,take place in Ireland from all sorts of grain. —Leave was given, Mr. N. VANSITTART shortly afterwards brought up the Bill, which was read a first time, and Ordered to be read a second time to-morrow. The Exchequer Bills Funding Bill, and the Pro. vision Exportation Prohibition Bill, were read a third time and passed..; The House in a Committee on the Exchequer Bills Bill, and the Prize c.oods Bill.—Report to. morrow. The Organzine Silk. Bill was read a second time, and committed for to-morrow. colonel STANLEY presented a Petition from the Prisoners cor.fined for Debt, in Lancaster .Castle, praying for Relief, which wa4 ordered to lie on. the Table, , The' Committees of Supply and Ways and Means were deferred till Monday. .Miet4ne.d at a Quarter before Six. H T U, N. SOL= SZVIS DICX,RX 1 , 4L51141 AVDZAT ~10'11 DON, DECEMBER . S, xBor. WE this morning received Paris.Paperf to the 2d inst. Their arrival we may henceforth expert` to be regular, •and,on stated days. The Moniteur of the Ist instant contains the following notice 44 The Public , are informed, that the reciprocal Corresponden m ce,betW;een the French Republic and England is re-establiSlecl, from the Ist Frirnaire (zzd Nov.). Letters for England are to be. 4ent off every day, but prrticularly on Tziesdays and Sa. . turdays (old stile), from, Paris for Calais, whence they are to be forwarded to Dover. Letters and packets are to be franked from the Osce of the place whence they are sent to Calais. Those which are not so, are laid aside, Conformably to the rep-. lations made." The return to the Christian mode of calculating time in the Above notice, gives us i-eason to hope that the extended Commercial Intereourze which a Peace with this Country will procure, tc; Franee, may be the means of bringing back the French to adopt the `same Calendar as we employ ourselves. The French Government have at length published the account transmitted to them by Gen. MEtiotr, of the Surrender of Alexandria. The Articles of Capitulation are preceded by an account of the pro ceedings of the Council of War convoked by the French General previously to the surrender. This. Council recommended the Capitulation; and it dis covers trwent . y.one reasons for this, as honourable to our Army as any testimonials they have received. The fall of Cairo 'i; ituch blamed, as unexpeaed and extraord',nfiry, 'and General IV4riot.r himself 11 adds, as unnecessary. The length• of this 4?aper precludes its insertion in our Columns of this day, but it shall appear on Monday. The Sittings of the Legislative Body have been dedicated to harangues on the different Treaties of Peace concluded by the Republic. In the Sitting of the z9th FLEURIEU presented that con‘luded between France and Russia; and Dt. , FE amoNT on the following day presented that between Portugal and Fr4nce. A Speech from both those-Members, enlarging on the advantages of those Treaties, was all the proceedils which tool; place on the occa_ sion. Accounts from Holland state, that from the gth to the list ult. their Coast iiaal bcen dreadfully vaged by storms. r: YESTERDAY Dispatches were received at the Ad miralty 'Office, from Admiral Lord KEI TH, dated from Malta, Oaoher 3i. His Lordship had ar rived there with the principal part of his Fl eet , having,_ left Sir RICHARD BICKERTON with the command of a Squadron at dlexandria. Letters were at the same time received from ill;norca," of November 4. Letters were likewise yesterday recei.ved from the Cap of G.cd Illie, - dated September 32. One Ilambnrgb Mail still due. This morning arrived a Mail from Jamaica, brought to Faltuontli by the Penelope Packet, in seven weeks a 1)/N1 from Lisbon, brought to Falmouth by t4,lralsingham Packet, in eight days; and also a French Mail, the first regular one that has arrived. Yesterday there was_ a grand Field-ciay in Hyde_ Park, when different . Detachments of the Foot Guards went through the'field pradice, with their Battalion. Guns. A great. number of Artillery waggons yesterday came into Town from .the Sea C9ast. The following are the Diplomatic Arrangements concluded upon,, and which will take place in the course of the spring: • Lord WHITWORTH, to go Ambassador to Paris, as soon as the DeAnitive Treaty is signed.' Mr. LISTON, Ambassador to the Hague and Lord PENRIC STUART (son of thc.Maiquis of BUTE), Secretary of Legation. Mr. Wi CKHAM, Minister Plenipotentiary to 'the Court of Berlin. Lord CARYSEO!tT, Minister Plenipotentiary to the. Court of St. Petersburgh. . Lord ROBERT FITZGERALD, Ministet 'Plenipo tentiary to the Court of Lisbon. . Sir JAMES CRAUFURDi Minister Plenipotentiary to the Court of Stockholm. The Embassy to Madrid is not settled. A Detachment of the Guards, under the Com mand of Lord CORK, an three Companies of the 42d, or Royal Highland Regiment, arrived at Ports mouth on. Thursday, froublEgypt, in the. /:nfiexibie and Retourie. Men f 4 W0r..5 A ConimLittial , Ttbaty is stated, in a. Hamburgh Letter, to: havt. been .-agreed upon between this Country and %lista, :consisting of Folly Articles. Considering how little the Thirty-nine - Articles, in another view, are regarded by Commercial men in general, it was rather adventurous to hazard a greater number. Mr. DAvIAoN, of St. James's square, has order .ed a :'Model to be made in Silver, of the proposed - Naval Pillar, whi#Che intends as x present for :cord Ng Lse , r, „• r, Noir . t 2. Tux Illook.ade of Cadi,z. has finished, by the 61 ' trance into that Port of an English Convoy, 13(le$ with salt fish and butter. The Defence, of ii guns, went in with them, to the great satisfa of the_People of that City. Sezzeral mervito et joi whom the miseries of War, and the dangers of t, Yellow Fever had driven aw a y, were prepar ing f° return. Lieutenant-General FR AEA -has. issued a Prod mation, offering a Pardonuto all gftgiish Desertel COURT OF-CH"`ANCERY. LINCOLN'S INN - HALL, DEC. 5. DRURY-LANE THEATRE. IT was proposed by the SouciTott-GENEgit'' than the further hearing telatiVe to the abOve CG S' cern should be postponed till Wednesday. P. complained of .the number of Affidavits and Pe'; dons which had been presented. to the Court bl Creditors, and which could only' tend still futtl w to delay the final decision. The LORD CHANCELLOR said there was no l' e ;' l eessity to answer those Affidavits or Petitions. ,‘ they were from Creditor s wh o were prov id e d f o r the Trust Deed, they were useless{ • , a, the Col; f ; could make no order to destroy thdr,Deed, If the" were from Creditors leaving only a right of sonal Aftion, the Court had nothing to 4040' them, as they must be left to that Personal A6l It was finally agreed to postpone the fort hearing till Wednesday. THE THEATRZ . . Drury-Lae' Iris some satisfsEtion to find that in the presd degeneracy of public judgment, • works of real !ite" rary merit have. not wholly lost • ' their influenc e ' On the contrary, inaeed, a very numerous ence attended last night , the - :Tsagetly 101:The R ef , venge, a-Tragedy h9nourahlg-t0 : i4,115/441 geniu s of this Country. • . The part of Zanga is pecull l : any stittru to Lie lents• of KEMBLE, and it seems to be one of his fa, vourite Chara6ters. Indeed, he hardly appears to o ,have studied any of his parts with more aecui acv, or `tis exert himself with more persevering success.th, pvti!egraqual i ly rises in merit, and in the last Scer„, disPiairsa jilt an-d charafteristi c energy Iv ory/ the best days of the Stage. The dreadful animositl' and determined:rage for vengeance, we r e throu . t i l out mingled with' a subtle humility an d clissemb affection towards:Nodz.o, that sheaved the skill a- master in the art: : . . In the fourth A.d, so muchtwbqle nce preva ile! in dip Gallcry that the performapc; was, interrupted' and IcEmALE ventured` forward, :4Pd gldTessed Audience in the followin& words Ladies alici 'gentlemen, itis impossible to exp r ess t e 'l pleasure which weleel in seeing yoteliOtt, but the en ,l your visit will be detested, uriles, ;nit cp34scr;,44 to 404 withAome attention.''"' This Address was .sonlanifestlrovoketi by uo' ruly violence, and was delivired wi t h such a mode l ~.: • •• • . spirit, that '' the Atidience, far from considentl as an unbecoming freedom, received it with zeal° applause, as the involuntary impulse of instilled ge; n 1114; and the rude:disturbers - of the petit:loo' sunk abashed into silence. • • Alonzo was eupported with strong emotion ILI i3AaßymoitE, and CHARLES IcEMBLE .m ade t; -part of Carlos unusually conspicuous. The . 5 2113 may be said of Lecnora, in the hands of Mrs. Pow who has seldom appeared to more _advantage. The pleasant Afterpiece of S.ylvtitr Daße: ,- , tv.oc,d, and the grand Pantomime . of Do;; ) , j e detained the- Audience till the final dropping of t ei curtain,. The comic humour of - 13,11NtsrER Strtrr in the former are too-well known to . irqu'` • observation. In the Pantomime GRA - RI:4 Ke4itLll for n , O first time assumed the. arduous charage; of 4 '; e jcan. The 'unrivalled -excellence of the la; Tiv..srar in this, part, is still . fresh in our 113 611 , 5 1 ry, but_ though CrrAa,Lts KANta Ls cannot et,' - 'That impressive elegance Of a4ion for which his r p v g ; decessor was celebrated, yet he . gave the char 'with great.spirit.. s d 'GRIMALDI is mast admirable Clorwn, and ' ceived very great applause. The storm was very badly. managed ; there no contention between f‘ the winds and waves. The fora er had the whole t:OtlteEt to themselVe for not a wave of the Pacific .Oczan was ruffled, to Y eS'-terday; at Mark-lane, of 4s. lower . . than on Nio.nclay. All otfiir kinds Grain were likewise sediewlrarierwer: . - At Guildhall yesterday, the Committee for c , ° ,„ f rying into execution the At for widening andr; proving the entrances into the. City of Lonu ° t : held their auaion for the building . leases of 'the 1 °. 1; on snowhill, when the offers amounted fofive/ou't per foot for a lease of 6s- years. The firing of the Guns yesterday in Hyde-rJ r k gave rise to the rumour that the Guns .in the Pl o f and Tower Were fired on account of the Signing i t the Definitive Treaty this report was eag er be swallowed in the City, and - immediately raised r Stocks The extraordinary honiitir paid to Lord in an invitation to the Sultan's table, , is. certaiGNO ii, unparallaled in Turkey. If the,G&AND„Siti, however, bestows no more time-onAh meals ' of the Chief Consul is represented to d 0.,: the hoo° must have beep, as all ,honours are, verypetig' TheLoun about gerso the fßo . n p ntda-vstermeeetnegi ving need be :7y ai 1:r l ° apprehension though it may not be quite strong enough to sot a horse, it will support a great many Puppi"er• f t 3 . The Clergyman's Lady who chewed soc passion for Dress, is a most uufaibionable arVor, She must have been ignorant that our fair Fa s : ables don's us: driss at all. ARRIVED ta Pt. FIE NR Q r this Port Sailed the 411 4'3 for To The Brig evifoun4lp last in - this• `.vithout muc ARRIVED t ontine at ti esour: e , 17 the Mediter Several of 4 , l 'd 'Whalers, Tx E East l ooria, witt t 4 the Rivet 4 rhe Mike 41 orning got ‘ gate Harboo tArr nigl kithDispatc e6ce ; ah havir 44 4 the Late This affe 4 Ye.boat, C it the 'lst' in :tut.it'llt,tsm:qa.Airlikitie.i:es,,,.°,lenr:,,ltit:".obtorsist:lti v.% 1 qed, in v: t it t of Lie t e A Cdurr. ement of'. ‘.._ E o ges,. witt ved, he i Tics, ro rl 4 ° iiive the 4 fteti from • t b 4 r),, e s t a Fleet _ t cpubtfal olcl be s we vet; fi :oantered liV'esterda: k, tise, or 2tw ar ait u y trt last , DaL,t4, OtE ;_-) earl ‘,2kTH, jut ; AClAl‘iral. , L g t blockac Peke, it i to rectivt ' ll ltticle s of 41 1 Goves Z a tived any C!&aquent Thi Clays aft „Me a n at Zhich had feral liv, n ish C t onl his C o 'm sir G kited all k for S d to dc The Tic CR India e_mitt t4-Z ;4l 4( e, o f Maio k‘ t :zent men vest Davie men \tn:er4llY C w ' n es V eV each of icx