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11111 1 LIL PA 4LiLIMENY HOUSE OF PEERS. TUESDAY, JAN.". 8. COM/ fRENC ES -WITH TILE COMMONS. a lturnediately afier prayers were read— Lord CLIVE, accompanied by several Members, brought Op a Message from the Commons, ac quainting- i heir Lordilvpi Ihnt the Commoisa had agreed to the Amendment made by their Lordships to the Second of their Resolutions, returned to the Commons 4 a Conktenee usi Sainalay last. Shortly after Lord CLIVE and several Members of the House of C,,rntuons again appeared at the Bar e an I requested, on the part of that House, a Con ference oh the subjeti of certain late Conferences held with their Lordships. The Long CIIhNCRLLOR, by command of the Howe, informed th i Nlessengers that their [mid-. ships agreed to bold the des4r,d Conierenec, and de sired that lie same may be held prehenily in the the Painted Cliambuir. The Messengers ha. hit;_. retired from The B Deputation Wai appointed to manhge the Coole,- ence un t he . part of their Lordships, coosisting of the Lord' President, the Lord Privy Seal, Margois Wellediy, Earls Graham (Duke of Mormo,e) itar.court, and Liverpool, the I.lkhop of Kt and Lords Napier and Walsingham. On their Lordships* return frem the Pairred Chamber, the Loan Pac-nocNT Cimden) re ported that the Conference, which was managed on tho part of the Commons by Lord. CLtva and other Members, hut been held when the Commons communietited,two Resolutions agreed to by that House, to which they desirtd the concurrence of Their Lordships, and which the Noble EAri moved jai' now read by he Clerk, which wai,ordered : The Resolutions were to the toLowing'purport —First, That a Cottnnittee be appoated to - wait 4upoo his Royal llighneor the Prince at Wales, to ' . ftctl'iainr him with the Resolutions which have now passed both Houser Of Parliinricnt, and to express their hope, at the same time, that his Ito) al H igh ness will be pleased to take upoit him the Admi rtistration of the Gov , iliment of the Realm, in the flame of the King, agreeably to the said Resolutions, Its soon as an MI skill be passed.for the purpose of tnabling trim so to do. Second, That the Resolutions voted by both Houses of Parliament, respeMing the superinten dence of a certain portion of his Majesty's House hold, on 4. the erne of his Majesty's sacred 1 . )...r50n, Pe laid before her Majesty the Queen, and that her Majesty be humuly requested, at the same time; that her Majesty would be pleased to take upon her the important trusts therein mentioned, Slid that due provision should be made fur carrying the said Resolutions into effea. The Resolutions being read, the House, on the motion of the Earl of havaeroto., agreed to the name nem. diss. and ordered that the blanks be tilled up in each Resolution, with the words " both Spiritual and TeMporal," and zs indicative of the concurrence of their Lordshipi in the same, as joint Reiolutions and Addresses of both Houses of Par liament. it was then ordered, that the concurrence of their Lordships in the Resolutions communicated this day byy tise Commonl, should bu communicated to that House forthwith at a secintd conference, to be held prestntly in the Painted Qhantber, and 'hat a Mes s Igo be sent to the coturnons to desire the said con ference.—..Orth-ted. On the return of the Messengers, their Lord3hiPs were informed that the Commods had 'agreed to the &sired Conference, and accordingly the above- tpuentioned Peers were again appointed to manage tftls same on the part of their Lordships ; they act , eroding!) , repaired to the Painted Chamber, where the pepuiation from ilie Cutintionti were waiting.; mut on their return, the Lord President informed the Haase that the communication had been duly anode, JOINT. ADDRESSES. The Earl of. Lavanpoot, moved, that the Lord President and the lord Privy Seal be doi:red to WlSit 411 hia ROy.ll HightleSs the Prince of Wales, on the pert of. tbat House, touching the subject of the fle golution concurred in, that day, by their Lordships. .--ordered. 'flw Noble Secretary then moved, that the Earl of Harcourt, and Loid Donghts, of Lochlevin (Earl 'Morton), be desired, in like tri:lnncr, to attend her Ilajeaty, on the part of their Lord.hit.s, which was ordered accordingly. QUESTION OF PROXIES. The Loan 0407(9.1,0H, its parquante of the no. lice hr had given, made a few observations on this topic. ' He said that the question of Proxies was one of peeoliar imp,,rtance, and from what bad recent- ay transpired on the subjeti, required the serious at tention of their Lordships, and that some decision . tibould be made upon it, Great stress had been , laid naturally on the ClittltliStatiCeS under which their Lordships had „assembled; and much stress was also laid upon the circular letter written by the Chancellor. to the Lords, by desire of the House, the better to induce a full atteadaixe. Ile was de sirous of a full consideration of this subjett ; and with thas view; he would now move, " Thai the iteptin of the Cuaurnittce alpninted to search tAr recetlenta, With respect to Proxies, be taken into witsideration on Friday next ; and also, that a coo' of the betel circular letter ut the Chancellor to the iiords, dated ISt of November, 18 iO, should be 1,01 heltire the House, it sh.,uhl appear that the letter be already entered upon the Journals,"— Tire Ni rile and Learned Lord then adverted to the Pro t witions, which lie now faunally gave notice he biltitild subunit to the. House on Fridly next. l'hey consisted of five Iles &Mons, chiefly refiring to pOints of order, respLctity, the admission af.d itity of Proxies in certain cases. His Lurthihip there rcnsd the ReSolutions A short conversation ensued, principally touching pt. !iratable mode. of proof:thug, with toyed to tt o .; 0pr0,,0 , 1 Ctrictission, between J. nrl Sktilioper bixf (,;mice Noriblk, Lord Redesdale, and ilit Lord (..as tho Wooliack. Tho twat was, • • that the Lord Chancenor I Mated his irate n (tti consequence of an opinion expressed by Earl—Stan hope) of submitting the whole of his Plopositions to the 'MAW, before he should 'urge the decision upon the first; that the circular letter, written by the Lord Chsneellor ) was already upon the Journals; a wish appeared to be entertained that the document in question should be printed for the use' of the House ; and that the House was ordered to be sum maned for Friday next... The E:ttl of Li P,RPOOL move'', that the House %hold.] adjourn (specially) till ten o'clock on Thursday. , Earl STANnoes expressed his wish to know the reason for adjourning till that very extraordinary hour. Was any secret proceediog intended ? The Earl of LAVKaYUUL explsined, that as be understood the Colnamos had adjourned to that day, before an opporturity could offer for communicating their last vote, an early (tour of meeting was ne cessary, in order that some reciprocal al rangetnent shouti he made f tior pioce,dings on , that day, respecting their joint votes. (We conclude the No ble Lail alluded to the commuoications being made in pursu loci; of the above Resolutions, to the went personage in question.)—The House then adjourned till Ten u'clotA on Thursday. t HOUSE OF COMMONS. TUESDAY, JAN. 8. Lord CLIVE went to the Hoase of Lords, to ac. glum them that tote Caltlillolls had agreed :o their Amendment in the second 11 , -solution, and (in pur suance of the Relolotioo of last night) to request a conference Witt, their Lordships. On his return, he reported that their Lordships had agreed to hold the conference itnrue,diately, in the Painted Chamber. On the motion of the Chancellor of the Ex chequer, the tollowing Memtiers were appointed a Committee to manage the conk:reflex, and went forth for that purpose, viz. Lord Clive, the Chan cellor of the Exchequer, Mr. Secretary It) dei., the Lord Advocate of Scotland, Mr. Brodern k, Mr. Paget, Mr. Lushington, Mr. W. Pole, General Wemyss, and Lord Dysart. On their rotor n, Lord Clive reported, that they had communicated to their Lordships the two Het solutions agreed to by the Hause of Commons last, night, respecting the Addresses to hii _Royal High ness the of Wales, and to her Rlajesty the Queen ; and had requested the concurrence of their Lordships thereto. A. the mutton of the Chancellor of the'Exchequer the Committee 00 the State of the,"Natiun was post-; poned to Friday. A message was received front the House of Lords, desiring a present conference in the Painted 'Claim ber, on the subject rimer of the last conference. At was ordered, that the conference should be agreed to, and the Messengers were called in and atxpiatnied sherewith. • The Menthe's of the last C o m m itt ee were ap pointed to manage the present conference, and Went forth. accordingly. On their return, Lord Ct,tva reported that their Lordships had agreed to the two Resolutions which had that evening been presented by them, filling up the blinks with the words ."'Lords Spiritual and Temporal, and..." A Message front the Lords soon after announced, that their Lordships had ordered the Lord Presideot and the Lord Privy Seal to attend his Roydl High ness the Noce of Wales, with the several Resolu tions fig, tread to by the Loads and Commons, tor the purpose of ~uppiying the delea at the personal ex ercise of the ltuyal Authority during lit Majesty's illness, on the part at their Lord4ips, and desired that that House would appoint 'a proportionate number of their Members IQ go with them. Also, that they had ordered Earl Harcourt and Lord Douglas, of Lochleven, to attend her Majesty with the Resolution and Address agreed to i by. the Lords and Commons, respecting the care of his Majesty's Royal Person, and the diredion of su c h part of big: Majesty's Household as might be requi site for the comfort of his Majesty, and fur the maintenance of the Royal dignity ; and desired that that. House would appoint a pivot - donate number of their Members to go with them. Ott the motion of the CHANCaLLOR of the Excumwea, the four following Members wero ordered to go with the two Noble Lords to wait on his Royal Highness the Prince of Wales, viz. The Chancellor of the Exchequer, Mr. Secre turypyder, Mr. R. Duudas, and the Master of the The four following Members were ordered to go with the other two Noble Lords to wait on her Ma jesty, viz. - Lord John Thynne, 'Lord Palmmune, and Colonel Desbrow. Adjourned to Thursday, COMMON COUNCIL. A Court of Common Council was held yesterday, in consequence of the requisition previously made, which has been already communktated tolour readers. Mr. Alderman Wo9n, in opening the business , lamented his inability to do justice to the subject. H e deplored the present unfortunate situation of the Country, and censured the system pursued by Go vern.iient. He then vindictted the charkiler of his Royal Highness the Princeot 'Wales, and spoke of the blessings which might be hoped (particularly tbrlreland) from his Administration ; censured'the conduit of those by Whom lie had been asper s ed ; defended th e prin cip l es , o f t h ose spoken of as Jaco bins ; condemned the condua of their opponents ; nod, after dwelling at some length upon these to pics, concluded by moving certain resolutions, pro. testing against the testritaions on the Regent, pro posed by Ministers, as tending to fetter the l'ecu. live, at a time when it was necessary Power should be exercised in ail its torce---Js tending to create divisions ainong.the Royal *''antily, and as reducing the Noce to the degrading alternative of being obliged to submit to the guidance of Minis ters who had proved themselves hostile to the Con. stitution, or of availing hirnsilf of that baletill thence which had proven so fatal to the -mainly 1 - 14: ccueutot 1119 puto VgliduCt of Zelinisters,, plained of the victent of taxa,ion, and the want of Parliamentary Reform, and concluded by stating it to be the opinioo„pf that Court, that it would-be the most constiehtional mode of proceeding to f6l - the Precedent of thee, by presenting an ad dress to his Royal .Highness the Prince of Wales, requesting him to 'take upon himself immediately the civil, military, and financial administration of the Government, till the proposed Regency Bill had gained the authority .of an Ad of Parliament. Mr. QUIN, in an eloglhnt speech, enumerated the many evils the couinry hid to contend with, when the Court LIM. met. 'fury had then to con tend repinst many enemies,* but now they had gained the very climax ot calamity. If be was right in his idea of the Constitution, the incapacity ot the King being established, it followed that the Executive Power should be immediately restored in propria persona as ~f ar as possible. All the prece dents which had been brought forward, went but fu strew the absurdity of reasoning from them, as none of them were analogoul to the present car'. file only precedent at all satisfactory to a thinking mind, was that of 1(438. In that case, the Govern ment of the country was suspended through the abdication of King James, as at present through the indisposition of his Majesty. In that case, the defect in the Constitution was. upplied by the Lords and Commons before they had considered whi flier William should be Prince or King, de jaao or de ,lure. Then no such circumstances occie.red as had recently taken place. We read of no Auditors or Clerks of the ExCheetter, aho could scramble out of the way of re,r,ons.bility. Wt.) , not a‘dro,s the Prince to take upon the Execu- Live Govermnent, in all its branches, pro !empire, according to the exigencies of the ease, and argue on the subject of it Regency after wards ? tie thought this the only time tor stein to go up anti slate what it wa- their with to recommend. He would not say he would 'throw his whole reli ance on any Prince, he would only say that the con. duet of the Prince ot Wales in 1780, had proved that he was Well founded in the Constitution Gt the Count, y. He had 'acknowledged " that pooer was a trust lodged in the hands ot the Esccutive fot the benefit of the poi pie. This was something like a pledge.-..slid was . inure than had ever been given by any Mon irco. or Prince iii his situation. Though Pal liament h id gone so much into the sub ject of th s deteet of the Executive Power, still nearly three weeks must 'elapse befere the Regent could begin to al. Would then any one under such 'circumstances, say it was too late for that Court to attempt taking any measures on .the occa sion ? Impossible I—tie thoNlit they Ought to go tor with their Resolutions, to desiee the Lords mid Commons to petition the Piince to take upon him ' self the civil, military, and financial pasts of tne 'Government, and not leave the Executive Power longer in the hands of the present Ministers, • Mr. Alderman SMITH asked; how they enuld , now go with a petition to that Alinement they bad so grossly insulted last Session ? He thought they mould have acted wisely in adopting a different line of conduct, and expressed an intention of voting against the Resolutiens. Mr. Alderman BIRCH observed, the case of the Revolution, and the pxesent thin ttion of the coon. try, were as cliff/rent as light from dark. At the time of the. Revolution the Throne was abdtcatett— there was no 'King —there was no Seal —then the Representatives ot the People had to supply a Kin,— that was nut th e case at present, and he roil g that Providence NOUN render 'it unnecessary for another to assume even the shadow of Royal Power, If a Regent were appoimed without restrictions and limitations, what would the Lords and Commons be doing ?—They would virtually be dettnonin; the King. Tw u co ul d not sit upon the same throne.— Would any one toy, that to appoint a Regent with out restriction or controul, was not to wrest the sceptre from the hand of the reigning Monarch ?--. Having given to a Regent the whole power, what power could take it from hint on the lecovery of the King ? trustee it was sufficiently obviuus, that making a Regent without resthelion s , Was ie w e d making a' King. Parliament was bound to guard 1 the Crown saloon the head of the present possessor, in order that when in the course of nature it descend ed to his son, the Prince shonld receive it unimpair ed. The private virtues Attie Prince ought not to be taken into consideration. They could not alter the political state of the case.'; they could not justify the giving to hint, as Regent, the whole Regal Power. The Court of Common Council had sworn allegiance to the King, had tosorri to defend his rights and throne. Would petitioning Parliament to lake the sceptre from the hand of our afflicted Monarch be acting in conformity to that oath ? Feeling, as he did, on the subject, he should move as an Amendment " That the whole of the words of the original Resolution be taken away after the word " That," to make room for the following words " That this Court relies With the fullest confidence' on the wisdom and constitutional prin ciples of both Houses of Parliament ; that they will under the present afiheaing eitcudisianeei ot our beloved Sovereign, take such measures for the tetn porary discharge ot the necessary doges of the Nal ()dice, in the name and on 'behaleof the King as shall secure the satety of the CroWn to'ita r.gettul possessor; and m ike such provision, that whin it shall please Almighty God in his providence to an swer the united prayer of bis subjeets, by remov ing the present calamity, that his Majesty may ress sume the exercise of the Royal Authority, without embarrassment to himself or to his people." x M ir r : s A , uSgstr:trttitiese,vciortnudeesd othfetitle,rnildiemi2en. best answer to the objections made to grantiog hint the , full power of Royalty. if, unturtunately,.th stio-ild be di sappo i nted in their expectations, 'th ey -' ltd still the security of ?aliment and the People to repress those iunovatious of which we might stand dread. ,Mr. MAAVUAN took a view of the Constitntion, 48 estanhiheti in t(388, and contended, that our his tory afforded uo ins:once o! a It fgent being appoint et! with restiktions shuse now intended to be imposed on the Prince of Wale,. .s(lr, 4.l4lcrtuau lizticn, in cxplanAt'on, denied I • . , . . having 'cast fitly imputation an the PiinCe 01 , Mr. MAwstetir explained. Mr. S. DIXON was ready to say, the csig 6ll the Prince rendered him e q ual to the high sliei l he was destined to fill. No person wished 01 ( = else to be Regent. The coodud of Par 1101; going into the subjetit as they had, had prev e % . were not unmindful of their duty 1-1" , nor were i li mgleetful of the interests of t he peOple. 7 4 that the Throne was aClually vacant. Ate suspension was all they had ti, supply, and noPr. ought to be given that could by possibility pro! the resumption of power on the part of thtriCilE his recovery. ti e t h oug h t the P r i nce ' s Irk' fr! would be careful h aw t h e y truste d new 00e'; The real friends to the King loved the Princet, the true friends to the Prince must honour the l'' He did not altogether approve of the Ameloo he had rath e r t h e prev i ous quest i on h a d been to ~. . It was quite unnecessary for them to,. a;ilJ l e i,... rtestion at all. It h a d been properly tok en ,.', Parliament, and with . their' decisiou he s'' satisfied. ,eill Mr. FaVel.l., was of opinion, it was thei r e - ts take u e this subje ct . H e censured the Anien dll i ; nod condemned the in sinua ti o n which bid beel" ii : he contended) , i n di rect l y t h rown ou t agaiOt!,4 Prince. No arehinent had as yet been weed g , the Resolutions, and be therefore re -gee '' d t''' entitled to his supp ort. f). Mr. SPENCER followed on the same Si'le' t ib : Mr. NVHSEBLE spoke in favour of II": v P ( if:MSG 113/ 61 Mr. WAITHMAN went at length jilt° the ,ii of the Ceestitution. fie was - i ilw,ls 3 , ' 14 ,',1, .epport the prerogaiia:es of the Crown, mili er y . awl liberties of tire p eo pl e . Ti,, pecc een: ol : ll, .v;i9 in no respect sitisfacrory. It the Pri n C4i antic to fill the high situatiou of Rogeetr t`'< to turn • their eyes towards sometehil "i', c le however, was not thought necesearYs l b ' ' irlt rio !lig of age, and his charade! being tine: 4o- 'l l O lie then teu.nred the fitigu. , ge of the i‘ta'''':(o as iniertOUS to the Prince. Arier a ‘ ,111 ' . ,, i tell sereations, many of thew personal, Mr: 1 '''" l i el observed, that a - Gentleman oppo,ite had Ifteifr be should be satisfied with the dec : si ( " l ,Z'i 0 1 Meet, whatever ilea decision might be • - c i-'4' 4:4 they . to be satis fi ed with Parliament lot 1 1": , e 1 a urdl t ) tliiig one day,. and u doing it aonti"' •0 another, n o h t u t o i n tey ly i di d d id a a:lb t i l l l ' i g n: lle one ° i jv ;: 1111" ` :11ts v)j un 'id ti th e next. - " a , 00 ;, Mr. JACLS observed t 1 great difference I'. - ,10 , . m e , up() the .subjec'l before them d d es 1 "1 o i li , ' fiiriuerly existed, in Parliament ' and our A , l ti among men ns sound iti their views and r e gj r ,lii a 'i n le d Cll7lr.st l i e t o t x rt io d n is , a - z re a: c i t y iw n I t i o h ever ec o l a i l v n e i d o ; ),; j . „ lii ill ii Lords, the late Duke of Richt-need, M ' r f q :4 6 Lansdowne, end that great Constitutiotia t ' i s' e 1 4' Lord Camden, entirely concurred ...% ill } 1 i : e V' lately proposed for supplying the dele - ,1 its ' er ,,io cuttve ; and the precedent of 08,8 t v3s ',fed nut wholly in point. It was wilt! lain ' `I A d, from the worthy Alderman (Birch) in 1115 b ail mint, as be,agreed with several Seeake rs '''.,.,rk° preceded him, that it was in some degre d "ilioe to the charaeler of the Prince. He cook' ''` ii ',V j with the Resolutions before them, n or c .. e rol; agree with the Alderman, in thinking the 1 0 ,0!' character of th e P r i nce o f 'Wales should l ' e :10J toge t h er out of the questicei.' He K° ce : , i IP I nnegyrise t h e soc i a l v i rtues o f th e l'O' c l ' a c O-! Were sure ind:catives of a goo.; hear t • c l ot oig view which he had taken of the Britlih oic eS, don, he had been always of opinion that I ' d ' a 11 `' , 'of the Kingly O ffi ce, as re fi ned and seil' e l oill , glorious Revolution, is tot more than is i foe . ,,, i for the public welfare. The subjeet,fi" W: 4 lllVr' in the hands of Parliament, where the C ` 7ll ,,eo di r ,had placed it. He had full confideece 19 (0 01. priety of its deesions. Gentleme" ilmi c° ' la'r j of the little respe....m entertained in Palliato r ; ) ll' City of I.oudon i but was this wotafrf lu e 01 I °4, they not t w i ce solemnly. declared, in t he t''''.4,o world, their contempt of Parliament , b) * ol'/; . that the present House of Commons was e i ' a tt Lli ' l ' i i " in corruivion, and carried on its col'' - fetie t ,, corrupt_ influence," and yet it is this 5 : 41! Is t i. , 1;° "Imolis they Fropose now to petition'' it Of: asked, probable th at the Members 01 '..,"i, -- e d i k should, possess more of the Chrieiait Pr J ' - ',? I.° forgiveness of injuries than other al i t ', l o , ol oP, thih Court learn to respeet the House ° t 7b e I ' l ', and th ee, no doubt it (the Court) woctl" . 4 , iri', 4 esteemed. He thouht it would have be e n bible fur Ministers to g have hastened the P' lo ,t. It ' o9onPda,di by rn ti t ;ki ni og nc b h ac n k ° t r o e ' tll t e hlt ;re sci ' led) ' ' ' 't ik. ‘ •::l l7i' ': the proceedings are now advanced,. ll "\' l o li` ;) farther than they were at the! pelloa• lie IV v hintof the question, it was ituPo"' . 1 , ,00 11 ',, , rim to vote for the of iginal (notion, al' 1 ,oirl"',-„, cd up and interlarded with ['Wet) el l Itill' ' , lii , ,1 ' u' Or ter, such as Parliamentary Reform , 'II w o; ~ , i .. .whieh were , subjects wholly eticreitice t ' r ,„qiiii; 3 , b "I"re (1 h# 1 1). Although net elniielY '''''''. 0 •0 1 .V S f::::oclit'slalitl::l3oevi.ree'dt!hia':nr Idslitcdll,l:yideeidTtl:bri,et'sitoile"ll(ll4':l(Alittii;otti:::l'l'l. the hope th at the previous question cow 1 ) 1 ' Mr. Alderman Woon shortly ren1i 6 ".. 0 ,,,. ~ HeYo4 re sPoke in weer of the lie s ° l° '' al'., om ~:' Mr. D im n Dime moved the previous que th r' i yetis tregatived, as WAS the AtllAtdrnent, te n ' . •., gins' Resolutiona carried. i t t A ,4 4 The C :art the ti proem; led to kl PP °. : l cara''''lli' ti !u mhe i t t ri t ec.:::: i t ,lt g ,e i niyi p it r ie e ee i t i: t ir t e h e.i.t Courthe Pet i t t o t r .in til3 :A' l l l :,i, rt. „ o sl :o , o ; Alderrn to Comae brought up, die P0 11 ;00 1 '0 1 They Ono, 'and ordered e b f- -ded iorthw varies then re a d liftt:r aan"duab;reetil tilote.:bit?.:o juiti:lti:illt a t( 4l DGZ—I C3iii2 o I Li s b on " i 4 h 1 1 4 1. 1, 4 . , Ousllll, 4 ?His vl t-: ( , , ?„, cK . 357 4 acct. Alat• Col)4cits • - emu orclered to be ferW3rded Houses of Lords and COMMCIS.' iO P Itr eo The gum of 2001. Kea, ordered to 1 ; 1 ' of the Sea-liathink Infirmary.