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/(1 _ - •\ • WESTMINSTER MEETING. TO -MORROW, May, 11, 1832, at One 1 o'clock, a MEETING of the ELECTORS of - -- ► ' 'WESTMINSTER will be holden at the CROWN and , . ANCEIOR, STRAND, to adopt measures commensurate I - 0 with the present alarming state of the country. Sir FRANCIS BURDETT, Bart. is the Chair. , '1 " 1 11011 • LCIS VW, !..11P3' 4 , Att.4, -,‘ '9l •77 7 $ ,„, n itt . S EC() N 1 E D Yr IO r y e wt._ 3.. Th 0,.4 • _ ° L \ tutteran attack upon him. The statement of the Noble Earl was, that he (the Earl of t'::: nsrvon) was possibly in such:a state of irritation us pi cclu.nd him from knowing the import of his words. He had spoken not in anger, hut in dismay, when he heard such a declaration as that made, under such circumstances, by the_ Noble Earl to that mien - 161y. If he - was not wrong in supposing that such an advice as that he bad already alluded to had been given to Sovereign, he would ask their Lordships whether the his.. tory of this country supplied an instance in which on such slight and trivial grounds a proceeding so involving the political independenc e and constitution of that House had been r esor t e d to b y any. administration? If sad' an advice hsd been give's to the Sovereign, it was siven in a spirit consistent with the mode of dealiug which had been hitherto adopted by his Majesty's Minis ters towards their Lordahips,—it wax given by Ministers who meant to dell with their Lordships as abject tools and instruments', precisely as they themselves were dealt with by those whom they could not deny to be their lords and masters.—(Opposition cheers.) The motion which he (the Earl of Carnarvon) had made, was made in order to enable every Noble Peer in that House to make up his mind as to thecourse which he should pursue ; and though amongst them there might be shades and differences of opi nion on this subject, there was no difference of opinion on this point,—that, owing to circumstance. to which he should not more particularly allude, but which he, for one must ever deplore—(Cheers from the Opposition) —a necessity existed for their conceding some considerable but the safest possible measure of Reform.—(Hear, hear, from the Opposition.) It was for the purpose of affording to their Lordships an opportunity of proceeding with the con sideration of this measure in committee, and of introducing into it such amendments as they should think fit,—an op portunity that he regretted to find his Majesty's Government refused to give them—that he had brought forward the motion now before the House. Under such circumstan ces, he conceived it his duty to call on their Lordships not to adjourn the consideration of this measure for a long period, but for the shortest possible time. He proposed no unnecessary delay when he proposed to fix the Com mittee fur Monday next, and there would be no difficulty should the House not then he it a situation to resu7ke the subject (and there was no reason to think that it would not be so) to postpone the question until the Home should be in a situation to resume the consideration of it. The motion for the postponement of the Committee till Monday next was then put and carried. Some petitions in favour of Reform were presented t,y the Duke of SUSSEX, end some other Noble Lords, hut, it was impossible to hear the names of the places from which they came, owing to the noise occasioned by the rush of Peers out of the House. IRISH TITHES. The Earl of WICKLOW was understood to inquire whether it was the intention of the ?sTobie Lord opposite (Lord Melbourne) to persevere with the Irish Tithe Bill ? Lord MELBOURNE was understood to state that he, was ready to go on with the Bill, but that it would be impossible for him to carry it through, owing to the dis cussions to which the amendments proposed to be made in it by the Noble Lord and other Noble Lords would lead. The Earl of WICKLOW said that, under such circum. stances, he would not persevere in the amendments of which he had given notice, and he hoped the measure would pass as soon as possible. ADJOURNMENT OF TILE HOUSE. Earl GREY said, that as there was no business before their Lordships for the two following days, be begged to move that the House should adjourn to Friday. The House accordingly adjourned to Friday next. LONDON, THURSDAY EVENING, MAY 10, 1832. SON OFFICE, Seven o'clock. (No. 12,374.} (PRICE 7D.) IMPERIA L PAR LIAM EN'I should suffer no mutilation. He was satisfied that th. ueople would stand by the Noble Lord ; and the Hon. Member for Hertford (Mr. Baring) might be assures that the agitation he deprecated would be continued, as :t ought, until the Government was replaced in those hand. from which it had been wrested by the grossest hypocrisy and treachery.—(Loud cheers). Lord ALTHORP hoped that he had made himself understood in the explanation which he had offered ; he was not atvare of one expression of his which could be construed into disrespect to his Majesty. With regard t what had fallen from a Right lion. Gentleman opposite, he did not at present feel himself authorized to say more than he had done. He did not mean to give any pledge that he would make any further statement at any future time, but he had stated all that he at present felt himsel4 allowed to do. At the last change of Ministry there wet 90 many contradictory reports circulated abroad, that it might have been necessary, in order to allay the public mind, to consult his Majesty with regard to the explanations that should be made in that House, but at this time no such necessity existed. He begged once more to disclaim having urged an., thing at all approaching disrespect to his Majesty. Mr. MACAULEY rose to offer his bumble testimony to the truth of the statement made by the Chan cellor of the Exchequer—that he had not made use of oue word of disrespect towards his Majesty. He repudiated the words that had been used by au Hon. Gen tletn. n opposite, that a Member of that House, who had said he was sorry that a particular Ministry had resigned, and that he was sorry that those resignations had been ac cepted, was acting without respect to his Majesty. He beseeched the Noble Member for D.vonshire to persevere in his -notion. only depend on the pleasure of your Lordships. I have n objection to its being postponed, 'at the same time the Nobl, Lord opposite will see the impossibility of the operation of the Bill coming into effect by the time it has been men tioned. The LORD CHANCELLOR presented a petition from Dewsbury in favour of Reform. Also a petition from tlo inhabitants of the town and neighbourhood of Birmingham to the same effect, signed, as he understood, from source• of the highest respectability, by upwards of 200,000 individuals. The Noble and Learned Lord then said ---I shall not enter at large into the subject mat ter of this petition on the present occasion. I stand in the situation of my Noble Friend before your Lordships, having with him humbly tendered my resigna tion to his Majesty in consequence of the advice which with my Noble Friend, had humbly tendered t o the King not having been accepted by his Majesty. My Lords, with my Noble Friend, to the latest hour of my existence, I shall never cease to entertain the deepest, heartfelt sense of the gracious kindness and confidence which my Noble Friend and the rest of his colleagues have received from my King during the period I have had the honour to be a Member of his Majesty's Council. Lord SUFFOLK was very anxious to hear the peti tion read. He wished to hear the sentiments of his fel low countrymen on the great question to which it referred. The petition having been read by the Clerk at the table, His LORDSHIP' proceeded to say that the petition did grzat credit to the people of Birmingham. It was tempe rate as well as firm. He did not know that he should not add conciliatory, Perhaps he ought to congratulate the country on the change which their Lordships had just been called to witness. As Opposition, they bad done tnore than as a Ministry. As an Opposition, they had been instrumental in giving liberty to the Catholics of Ireland --(Loud cheers)— and as an Opposetion they had conferred freedom of conscience on the Dissenters of England. Above ;hg the success of the measure.—(Hear, hear, hear.) I stated to your Lordships that it seemed materially to af fect the principle of the measure, for the principle we louhtedly proceeded on was, the relieving of the Constituthoi rrom that evil which was connected with nomination bo roughs. The clause first applied to the correction of tha -vil was postponed, in order to give pre..edence to anoth, r, And the measure of which was made to depend on the amour of that disfrauchiaemant, which I stated ought to he regu!ated by a consideration of the character of those boroughs—(Loud cheers)—not capable of returning Members to the House of Commons consistently with the spirit of the Constitution.—(Loud cheers.) By whom was the proposition made ? By a Nub!, and Learned Lord, who in the course of that very speech in which he made the proposition, still considered the Bill as ineonsis , ent with:tke sarety of the Government and subversive of the Constitution.—( Cheers ) What right had I to expect from those persons that the) would support a measure to which it would be possible fol me to give consent. But by whom was it supported? B, A Noble Duke opposite, who has declared himself that the present state of the representation is perfect—(Hear, heat; —not capable of amendment by human ingenuity and _ _ THIS EVENING. HOUSE OF COMMONS. before Three (Mock, the Palace-yard, and all the neighbourhood of the House of Commons was much crowded by people in a high state of excitement. A little before Four o'clock the Members began to arrive in quick succession, and continued to do su for come time. About half-past four o'clock the Lord Mayor accompanied by the Sheriffs and a large hody of the Common Council, arrived with the city petition. Toe • • Sherifft proceeded to the bar of the House to present it. The procession was much cheered when it came up Parliament-street. The gallery had not opened at Half past Five o'clock. The House was, then proceeding with the call. CITY PETITION. Mr. BARING explained. Lord MILTON was obliged to say a few words in an swer to what had fallen from the Right Hon. Baronet (Sir R. Peel), who had said that the choice of Ministers was a mere personal act of the Crown. If that was al lowed to be the case, there was an end to the responsi bility of Ministers. Sir R. PEEL said it was the fact that the choice of Ministers was a mere personal act of the Crown. When a man accepted office when it was offered to him, then he became responsible ; still thai did not make it less a per sonal act of the Crown. Mr. HUNT hoped that before going into the de bate, of which notice had been given by the Noble Lord (Ebrington), it would be known what the facts were which had led to the resignation of the Ali nissry. The people of England would blame souse one; either the Ministry must bear that blame, or it would be transferred to his Majesty. If the King had never been prepared to pass that Bill, the people of England had been most grossly deceived by the cry which had been raised by the supporters of Government of " Our Reforming King." If such had been the case, the Ministry were, and would yet be told of it by the people, that they had been guilty of most grossly deluding them. If the King had altered his mind, the case would be different. Lord EBRINGTON said, after all that be had heard from all parts of the House, he still felt it was his duty to persevere in the motion of which he had given notice. He was anxious to see such a state of affairs as would allow his Majesty to carry on the Government of the country peaceably. Many strange reports had been cir culated within these few days of waverers "in that House, and he felt that it was 4ecessary—he felt that it was his duty, to ascertain whether these reports were true or false. He would not call for the penalties on those who were at a distance from town ; but against those who were within reach of the notice, he certainly would press it. He therefore felt it his duty to persevere in the motion, in order to show to the country what the real state of feeling in that House was. Most of the Members retired when his Lordship sat down. During the exclusion strangers the Sheriffs and Remem braneer of the city of London appeared at the bar with the with petition of the Lord Mayor, Aldermen, and Com mon Council, which was agreed to by the Common Coon ! cif to day. Its presentation was attended with a short discussion, an outline of whieleh we hive been favoured w:th. It is as follows : Mr. Alderman WOOD, in moving that the petition be read at Tenth, said he was prevented by a domestic calamity from being present at the meeting at which it : wits got up. The petition was then read. .!. Mr. Alderman WAITHMAN concurred in the prayer of the petition. He thought it a great mischief to the country that the House of Lords had so conducted themselves as to interrupt the progress of the Reform Bill.—(Cheers.) He begged to state that the state of his health had prevented his attendance as much as be could wish at public meetings of his consti tuents, and also in this House, but be declared his inten tion of being at his post at this all important crisis.— ( Hear, hear.) Mr. Alderman THOMPSON hail attended the meeting i at which the petition had been got up, and could bear testimony to the general feelings of regret and disappoint ment which had been felt, not only by the Corporation of London, but by all persons of every class in London at the proceedings of the House of Lords.—(Cheers.)-- He felt satisfied whoever was called to his Majesty's Councils would fail to conduct the government of the country with satisfaction to the people, and would fail to maintain public peace and tranquillity, unless the Bill,whole and entire as it was at present,was proceeded in.--(Cheers.) It was upon the Bill, as it had left the House of Commons that the people had set their minds, and it was perfectly absurd to say that there had been any thing like a reaction upon the subject of Reform. The fact was the People had been leas agitated because they had confidence ia the assurance that had been given by his Majesty's Mi nisters that the Bill would be carried untnutilated. But the greater that confidence had been, the greater was their diaapiontment at the deprivations by the King and the country of the aid of those Ministers.—(Cheers.) The length of time that the Bill had been under consideration had occasioned considerable stagnation in trade, especially of the retail trade, and which, of course, had extended to the general branches of manufacture and commerce of the country, iand he was apprehensive that at the present awful crisis commercial credit would be greatly impaired. Mr. Alderman VENABLES supported the prayer of the petition. Mr. Alderman HUGHES said he was present at the Meeting of the Common Council, and he proposed an amendment to that part of the petition which prayed the House of Commons to refuse the supplies until the Reform Bill was passed. It was absurd for the Common Council to refuse the supplies, and withhold their confi dence from a Government before they knew of whom that Government was formed.—(Hear, hear.) Although the petition purported to be that of the Lord Mayor, Al dermen, and;Common Council, there were only six aldermen en present, and all of them held up their hands against that that part of the petition to which he alluded. Mr. -HUNT said, though not an Alderman or a Com mon Councilman, he was a Liveryman. He reminded f the House th a t th e Common C o uncil had only to attend If to the municipal business of the City, the election for Mem hers of Parliament lay with the Livery. That body, the Livery, were to meet to-morrow, and they would, no doubt, follow in the track chalked out for them by the Common Council. Mr. C. PELHAM wished to treat the corporation with great respect, for he admired their conduct throughout the history of th e coun try ; a nd he thought that one of the greatest mischiefs of the Reform Bill was that that great constituency would be degraded by having infused into it a set of vagabond 10/. voters.—(Laughter. ) The House did not open for the admission of strangers till Five Minute Past Six o'clock. Immediately an order being obtained, the STEAYHR called on Lord EBRINGTON, who addressed the Hot se as fol lows :—However reluctant I am to take up the time of the House, I feel that little apology is required for my doing 80 on the present occasion.— (Hear, hear.) I sincerely wish that the task that I have undertaken had been Committed into abler and better hands. But whatever may be the opinion of persons with respect to the substance of the motion which I shall have the honour of submittin g , I think there are few persons who will not consider, that at this time, and under the present existing state of circumstances, in which the country is placed, this House is called upon for some expression of its opinion. —(Loud cheering.) And, I am happy to say I have precedent for the course I am about to pursue. It must in the recollection of many Members, that in 1812, upon the death of Mr. Perceval, Mr. Stuart Wortley, now Lord Wharncliffe, moved an address to the Prince Regent, praying him to take such measures as would enable Lint to form a strong and efficient Administration.—(Loud cheets.) In the debate that took place on that occasion, there some Gentlemen who objected to it, on the ground of its being an improper interference on the part of the House, and in reply to some observations of that sort it .was that Mr. Canning made use of the following expression. ]Sr. Canning, after stating that the interference of this ffouse ought not in such cases be had recours e to except under circumstances of particular emergency, proceeded to vindicate the right of that House, and the propriety of its interfering in these words—" I think that man is ill read, not in your journals, but your constitution who should say, that in a case of such transcendent importance it would not be competent for the Legislature to give itsadViz.e to prevent the necessity of control." Sir, words of caning convey in much better and more forcible language than I can possibly use, my feelings on thiesubject, and fully justifies me in the course I am about to pursue, I beg leave to state most distinctly that in the measure I am now about to propose, I have no wish what, ever to etnbarass the crown in the choice of an administration but, Sir, I feel that no obstacle so injurious of the Crown and of the country as to the existence of any misappre hension on the part of the Crown with respect to the sentiments of this House.—(Tremendous cheering.) or the existence of any doubt in this House itself with respect to the sentiments of the majority of its Members on the present occasion. --(Hear, hear, hear.) Sir, ttrange and sudden changes have been reported to hay& beset! Pape in another tivarter. 1r do not kknow, but Ido not believe that they have. I do not now, but they may have taken place also in this House. It is reported that changes in opinion have taken place, as I understand, with respect to the Reform Bill, and its authors in this House. Ido not believe that this is the c ase—(Tremendous cheering) but at all events it is necessary, with a view to the the tranquillity of the country—(Loud Cheers)—with a view to the the permanence of any Government-- and with a view to a true estimate by the Crown and the T unt rY) of the sentiments of that House, that those sen 11"nta should be fully made known. Sir, it is true, I" was 4equeated by ray Noble . r . :"riend below me not to teake the present motion. It is true that a wish was con veyed to me from my Noble Friend at the head of the Go vernment not to makethe motion, and that they were quite satisfied to retire front offic e with what had already been done. Sir, I know full well that they are perfectly prepared to retire from office with no other meal of approbation • thin the reffeetion of their . own manly acts.— (L(.acts. oud cheering.) They would have been con tent to retire from office with all the obloquy that had L een heaped upon Them since they came in to affair, and have carried with them into their retirement the consolation of how much they had effected. I sAy how much They lead effected ; because though dragged through the humiliation of having the question whether Gatton or Old Sarum be continued to be a disgrace to the country until a majority of 4-sths of those who were opponents 01 all Reform should make up their minds how mucl franchisement or disfranchisement they would giv, to the people.—(Continued cheers.) I say, Sir, thei were to be dragged through that condition, but no sooner had that passed than a declaration was made by those ve:y opponents of their intention to concede, not only the full disfranchisement proposed by the late Govern ment, but even to go beyond it --(Hear, hear.) that they all had in full contemplation the whole of the disfranchisement actually conceded by the late Government. Sir, I am certain that the good sense of the country will no longer be insulted by the possessive of rotten boroughs or the corrupt proceedings of corrupt corporations. If the late Government had submittted, or if Earl Grey could have allowed himself to have been dragged away by any thing said byithose opposed to his Government, though I should nut have shared in the imputation of insincerity which I know would have been tn , ,st freely lavished in from all quarters ; yet I should have felt that those Ministers who could have been so forgetful of what they owed so their own candour, of the respect which was due to this House, and to those who had supported them in the prosecution of this great measure, were totally unworthy of any support from us again on any occasion..—Loud Cheers.) Sir, I have felt my duty to ppopose to the House an address to his Majesty, expressing in terms , certainly far less strong than that which would carry the full extent of my own feeltngs the regret we feel (and which I believe the great majority of this House feels) at the change which has taken place in his Majesty's Councils.—(Hear, hear, hear, and loud cheers.) I proceed then to express to his Majesty our belief in the deep interest with which the people of this country still continue to regard the progress of the measure, which was carried from this House, and the deep disappointment they feel in its not hoving been carried through the other House of Parlia ment.—(Hear, hear, hear.) Why, I should conceive would still be done in spite of any attempt to mutilate its efficiency. I state the desire the people feel to have the Bill carried with its efficiency unimpaired, and I conclude by futploring his Majesty, therefore, to call to his Councils only such persons as will carry into effect unimpaired in all its essential provisions that Bill of Reform wnich has passed this House of Parlia ment.—(lmmense cheers ) These, Sir, are shortly the heads of what I propose the address to be composed of. I feel it would be presumptuous on my part to take up the time of the House by urging any argument of mine in support of this address, because I think Honourable Members will find far better arguments for the govern ment of their conduct on this occasion than any I Could find in their own recorded votes—(Hear, hear) — and i❑ their own expressed sentiments upon thls subjec on so many repeat. d occasions in the course of the last year.—(Loud and continued cheering.) I can state most positively that so far as I have had the oportu nity of ascertaining the feelings of those whom I hale the honour to represent. So far as I have had an opportunity of ascertaining any thing of the feeling of the people of this conntry—of the community at large —no change has taken place in those feeling on this most important question of Reform.—(lmmense cheers.) But at all events, if Gentlemen have seen cause to alter the course whiclethey have hitherto pursued—it they have per ceived any act performed on the part of hieMajeety'sMinisters inconsistent with that course of conduct which they from the beginning professed to feel it their duty to take. I trust they will have the manliness to state it fairly in order that his Majesty may have the satisfaction, and the country have the advantage of knowing clearly and explicitly what their mil sentiments are. Having said thus much, I beg to conclude by offering my thanks to the House for the kindness with which it has listened to me, and to move the following address : My motion, Sir, is "that an humble address be presonted to his Majesty, humbly to repre sent to his Majesty the deep regret felt by this House at the change that has been announced in his Majesty's Councils by the retirement of those Ministers in whom this Houie continues to repose unabated confidence.— (Loud cheers.) That this House in conformity with the recommendation contained in his Majesty's most gracious speech from the Throne has framed, and sent up to the House of Lords a Bill for the Reform of the represen tation of the people, by which they are convinced that the prerogative of the Crown, the authority of both Houses of Parliament, and the tights and liberties of the people are duly secured." The lasts words, Sir, I have ventured to introduce, because they are those made use of in his Majesty's most gracious Speech. My motion proceeds thns :--" That i❑ the progress of this measure the House of Commons considers it self bound in duty to state to his Majesty that his subjects are looking with the most in tense interest and anxiety, and they cannot disguise from his Majesty that the taking of any step which would impare its efficiency, would be productive of the greatest disappointment. That this House is therefore impelled by was an attachment to his Majesty's person and throne, humbly but most earnestly to implore his Majesty to call to his Councils such persons only as will carry into effect unimpaired in all its essential provisions, that Bill for the reform of the representation of the people, which has recently passed this House."—(Loud cheers.) Mr.STRUTT rose to second the motion. He should con sider that he abandoned his duty to his constituents it, in the present momentous crisis, when the safety of the country might depend on their decision, he should allow parsonal or private feelings to restrain him in expressing the support, humble as it was, he meant to give this motion. In one respect, he felt he was peculiarly qualified to second a vote of confidence in his Majesty's Ministers, for he believed there was not a Member in the House more completely unconnected with or independent of the Members of his Majesty's Ministration than himself: Under these circumstances I cannot for one moment believe that the Members of this house—now that the crisis has arrived—now that this Bill is apparently in the greatest jeopardy, and liable to great mutilation, if not to absolute destruction, will now be so lost to the duty they owe to their constituents; so lost to their own dignity and their own consistency as to feel the least hesitation in coming forward and declaring in the moat solemn meuner, their de termined adherence to those great principles which fur the last fourteen months they have been labouring to enforce and establish.—( hear, hear.) But, Sir, there is another object we must not neglect. There is a duty also which we owe to the authors of this measure—to those who brought it forward in my opinion so honourably to themselves, and who have with so much consi'tency and indefati gable zeal labroured iu carrying it through this 'and the other House of Parliament.—(Hear, bear, hear.) Sir if a *icier occasion lie thought it necessary to sanc tion the conduct of Government by approving (LEFT STEAXINI.) IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF COMMONS, MAY 9. Concluded from our Stcond Edition of Last Night. Mc. JAMES begged to ask the Noble Lord whether the public report, that the advice Ministers tendered to his Majesty, which had occasioned their resignation, was to create Peers, was a correct report'—(Cheers.) Lord ALTHORP said, that he did not think himself at liberty to state what the advice tendered to his Majesty was.—( Hear, hear.) Mr. JAMES begged to say that he had asked the question for the sake of the public, but entertained suite dif ferent sentiments from the Right Hon. Baronet or Gallant Colonel who had just spoken. He thought the most just and constitutional advice which could have been tendered to his Majesty, would have been to create any number of Peers that might have been necessary to carry the Reform Bill.--(Hear, hear.) He was aware that such was not the opinion of the Anti-Ilefoaneit, but 1.0 pre vent a collision between the two Houses of Parliament— (Cries of " Spoke, spoke—he had not uttered half a dozen words.—(Laughter.) The cries of " Spoke, spoke !" here became so lend that what was further said by the Hon. Member could not be heard. Mr. DUNCOMBE hoped the Noble Lord (Member for Devon) would persistinhis motion and the call of the House of which be had kiven notice. It was necessary to see whether there were any waverers in the House, and who they were. The Noble Lord (the Chancellor of the Ex chequer) would be guilty . of a breach of confidence, if without his Majesty's permission, he told theru what ad vice it was he bad given ; hut lie had suid enough to satisfy the county that it was to the effect that the Reform Bill PRESENTATION OF PETITIONS. Sir R. PEEL moved for the appointment of a Com mittee for the purpose of framing regulations to facilitate the presentation of public petitions. The Right Hon. Baronet suggested that a Standing Committee should be appointed to receive petitions, to classify them, to state the number of signatures, and to make a weekly report thereon to the House. Lord ALTHORP approved oldie plan, as did also Mr. Warburton, Mr. Hume, Mr. P.uthven, Sir J. Scarlett, and Mr. Robinson, upon which the motion was agreed to and Committee appointed. CALL OF THE HOUSE. Lord BELFAST moved that the House be called over to-morrow.--Agreed to. The House then adjourned at a Quarter to Seven. ROUSE OF LORDS, MAY 9. RESIGNATION OF MINISTERS. There was a large attendance of Peers an both sides of the House considerably before five o'clock. It was evi dent that some important statements were to he made. Earl GREY entered the House at ten minutes past five o'clock. He held in his hand several petitions. He had hardly been seated a minute before a messenger arrived, re quiring his attendance in the ante-room. After an absence of two minutes his Lordship returned to the Treasury Bench. The Duke of Sussex, Lord Durham, the Duke of Rich mond, and Lord Goderich, were also on the same bench. The LORD CHANCELLOR entered the Huns, at a quarter-past five o'clock. Earl GREY immediately rose and presented seven peti ;ions in favour of Reform, and one praying for the aboli ;ion of tithes. RESIGNATION OF MINISTERS. Earl GREY, atter he had named the quarters from whence lie held the petitions in his hand, said—Now, my Lords, after what passed in this House on Monday night, and the result of that night's debate, your Lordships will probably ba prcpared for the information which it is my duty to give. The result of that decision certainly was such as to reduce me to the alternative, either, in conjunction with my col leagues, of at once withdrawing from his Majesty's service, or of tendering to his Majesty our advice, which then appeared justified by the necessity of the case, to take such means as might insure the success of the Reform Bib now before your Lordships, or in the event of that advice being refused, to tender humbly and respectfully our resignations. My Lords, the last alter native we, after much consideration, adopted. We offered that advice to his Majesty which we thought our duty in the circumstances of the times required, and the alter. native submitted to his Majesty has been accepted by him, and he has graciously accepted our resignations—at the saute time honouring us with the fullest expression of the approbation of our services during the time we have been in his Majesty's Councils, and during which we certainly have received f-on J . • Mijesty a confidence a 0 support, for which must be thankful during the whole time I have yet to live. My Lords, under these circumstances then, we now, having given in our resignations, and those resignations having been ac cepted, only hold our offices till our successors cut be ap pointed ; and under these circumstances, my Lords, I think your Lordships will see the propriety of onr :lot proceed ing with any public bnsinoss, on which anything like a difference of opinion or contest should arise, until a new Admirdstration shall have been formed. I shall, there fore, not propose to-morrow to proceed with the Committee on the Reform Bill. But to-night them is a - , order of the day for the consideration of a Bill of great public import ance—l mean the Bill for a new regulation of the offices of the Admiralty and the Navy. My Lords, this is a Bill, as I have stated,'of great public importance, which has received the sanction o; persons of the highest autho rity, not now in his Majesty's service. It is of great moment that that Bill should pass with as little delay as possible. The 14th has been the day fixed, by those who brought the Bill up from the Com mons, for the operations of the .I''il; commencing. If, therefore ; these :s oo material objections to be taken to this Bill, - my Noble Friend behind me will propose to proceed with it. If there should be any objections to it, this, like other matters on which cne;itioos may arise, must be deferred ; i n p ro p r i e ty, till an . opportunity is af tOr4ed of considering what shall arise after the formation of a new Government. This being the state of circumstances, my Lords, I trust your Lordships will concur with me in the propriety of deferring for the present the consideration of all such matters as are likely to lead to considerable difference of opinion. Lord ELLENBOROUGH—My Lords, with respect to that Bill to which the Noble Earl has last alluded, I think it very likely th at t h ere may arise considerable difference t,t opinion; therefore, l'would suggest that the considera t,i-:n of it should the Bill be deferred. Earl GREY —After what I have stated, toy Lords, my proposition of goicg on with the Bill now could of course all he congratulated the people of this country on the patient, continued, temperate, and constitutional—he should say, conciliatory course they had adopted.—(Hear, hear.) They had won Reform from their friends. Let them proceed in the same way and they would soon extort it from their enemies. —(Load cheers.) Lord PLYMOUTH had made extensive inquiries for the purpose of ascertaining the real state of the number and character of those said to have been present at the Birmingham meeting, and could not by any means accede to the calculation of the Noble and Learned Loid who presented the petition. Many had gone from curiosity, and booths had been erected for the purpose of games. The LORD CHANCELLOR deprecated the discussion which had thus inadvertently arisen. Some might have attended the meeting through curiosity, but their Lordships would much mistake if they thought the body and bulk of the people had attended from curiosity to partake of the accidental sports, They had a;teadrd from the great anxiety they felt sincerely, with a view to promote the grand objectof the meeting. He would take this opportunity of stating also, indeed he bad been requested to state, that the peaceable demeanour and 1,...,11 conduct of those that had attended the meeting had not been disturbed or broken in upon during the course of the proceediw.gs by even oate single appearance of tumult. Lord ELLENBOROUGH suggested to the Noble Earl opposite, that he should move the discharging of the order for the Committee on the Reform Bill to-morrow, and nominate some other day, when it might be convenient to proceet: in it. Earl GREY said, I intended to move that the order be discharged ; but I think, my Lords, there is no necessity that any other order of the day should now be appointed. Lord DURHAM presented two petitions, one from the Yeovil Political Union, the other from the Corporation of the city of Perth in favour of the Reform Bill. Also a petition from the city of Durham fur the al.;,glitica cf negro slavery. Bail CARNARVON did not think that he should be doing his duty to that House, to the people, and to the Sovereign, who was now left in an extraordinary difficulty, be might say perilous state, if, seeing the most contemptuous discharge of the order of the day for considering in committee the Reform Bill, he did not make a motion upon the subject. After their Lordships hail intimated their wish to proceed in the consideration of the Bill, in the most liberal and conciliatory manner, merely because the mode of proceeding in the alphabetical manner suggested by his Majesty's Ministers had not bee:. adopted, because the House would not allow ochedule A and schedule B to precede schedule C the most extraordinary , event had been consequent upon it. The Noble Earl op posite might act as lie pleased, but he never told the House the alternative he did to his Sovereign. Their Lordships knew what were the grounds, the slight grounds, of their defeat on the preceding evening, for one of the mcst foul, most atrocious piecea of ad✓ice with which subjects perhaps ever dared to insult the ears of their Sovereign. Their Lordships had heard, as was natural to expect, that the Sovereign of this country, who was the first to recom mend Reform, upon its broad and general principles, had acted as every Sovereign of the Hous2 of Brunswick would act, and had thps gained, if possible, an additional claim to tiae gratitude of his subjects. But it should not be thrown out to the public that the determination of the Government, whatever their motive might be, originated in the vital rejection of the Bill. For this Bill in that House must be discussed : though the majority of their Lordships, which 14 did not believe,-were against it. He should therefore move in stanter that the order of the day be now discharged, and stand for Committee on Monday next. Whether or not the House would be in a state to proceed on so early a day to the consideration of it he did not know, but ho knew that it would then be easy to move fara further adjournment of it. Lord GREY said, my Lords I have been too much accustomed to the intemperate, the violent, the personal —(Hear, hear)—the unparliamentary( Hear, hear)-- the almost disorderly attacks—(Loud cheers)—of the No ble Lord, to be much affected by them on this occasion. Nor is it for the purpose of defending myself apiost im putations such as the Noble Earl has thoL;ght proper to cast on me, that >1 now r;se. 1 trust that in the estirna lic,n of your Lordships • and of the public, my cha racter does stand, 1 hope I may say it without presumption, sufficiently high to guard me from fear of suffering from such imputations—(Cheers)—from ct:.ch a quarter. The Noble Lord is pleased t? ciAracterize the advice that I have tel.; • i;; ray duty to give to my Seve:e4n, as atrocious, as insulting, as such as no subject should give—(hear, hear, from the Opposi tion)—and there are persons on the other side of the House who I see agree in that sentiment. All I oan sax on the subject is, that I deferred that adyice till the '`fast Moment, when the necess;ty tic;: circumstance, and my own sense of public - duty imposed it upon me, as an obligation from which I thought I could not escape, humbly to tender that advice to his Majesty.—(Cheers.) Whether, my Lords, that advice was right or wrong, when Noble Lords choose to bring it under discussion, 1 bs prepared to argue the question, and defend in the best way I can—(Cheers)—and ; appeal with confidence to the Housa and to the p u bli c , f ront w h atever motive the Noble Earl may pl ease to i mpute to tae, for I believe the Noble Earl attached sortie particular motive t o my conduct.—(C r i es of " No, no." tlle 4oble 'Lord means to disclaim it, I ;ct a:hide:to motives which he has not imputed. taut I say, my Lords, that advice I shall be prepared to defend whenever an opportunity offers. —(Hear.) I throw myself upon the cznd;tlc of this House and the public to consider whether it was possible I could have has; any other motives than those which arose from a strict sense of what I feel to be my public duty. Having given that advice upon an important subject, the al ternative was simple, it being rejected. I supnos; that a Mi nister of th e C rown, when he stimla ;in a situation of offer ing to his 11 1irerity upon an important subject, and if that adviee, whichis then tendered, is not accepted— and if th e su bj ect i s of sufficient inriortanoe as that brought bef or e situated, h your Lords( suppose a Minister so -e ; s. ;;.G other alternative than to tender his resignation. My Lords, that is the course which J have proceeded, but it seems, a;,carinng to the Noble Lord's opinion, atroe',ocr, and violent, for he says there was only a trifling difference of opinion. The ques tion on which the Government were outnum bered was a mere matter of form, and no deeper affected the essential principles or • success of the Bill. It was proposed to be moved in a moat conci liatoryquestion w h et h er the discussion of schedule C an d D s h ou ld take precedence of A. arid B. Why if it was a question spirit, and was, in point of fact, no more than a of that light importance, I Oink the eersure o' the Noble Lord would be just, but 1 did not so r;onsi• 41 , r it.—(Hear, hear.) Anil in the debate I . stated to your Lordships the icamons why it appeared to me to be question of the utmost importance, materially affect wisdom, and who even then declared that he should eventually vote against the measure. By whom else was tie proposition supported? By another Noble Duke, who stated that he would vote against any measure of disfran chisement whatever; while another Noble Baron 'dated that another Bill might be pas.ed without any disfran chisement whatever. Why, under these circumstances, is it not childish—(Loud cheers)—is it not childish to say that this was a mere question of form—that this was a mere question of precedence—that the principles of the Bill, that the efficiency of the measure, were not to affected—(Continued cheers)—and that we had re fused on this side of the House to accept of a proposition originating in no party spirit, and propounded in a con ciliatory disposition?—(hear, hear, and loud cheers.) My Lords, under these circumstances, 1 felt that I had but one course to pursue, either to see that the means of insuring the sucecess of this Bill existed and would be used, and if not, of resigning my situation ; for, my Lords, it was impossible for me, consistently with what I think is my duty to the public, consistently with what is due to my own character and the House, to sit here the shadow of a Minister—(Loud and long cheering)—the author of this Bill, and yet to suffer it to be cut and carved, mutilated and deformed, and yet to oppose no resistance. My Lords, it will be a violent proceeding in the Noble Lord's opi !lion ; bus by all reasonable men, even by these who are opposed to the measure itself, it will only be that course which was called for by that sense of duty whLh, I trust, will always govern my conduc.t—(cheers)—and by that sense of honour which 1 trust in God will ever actuate me.—(Loud and continued cheers.) My Lords, I stand before the public responsible for what I have done —a responsibility win:- I am willing to meet..—(Cheers) and to vindicate the conduct I have pursued, and the motives which have dictated it, whenever a proper occa sion requires.—(Loud cheers.) But now only one word more as to what the Noble Lord opposite called the contemptuous manner of discharging the motion. My. Lords, I am not sensible that there was anything of e.,ntempt in the manner in which I proposed to dis charge the order of the day. It is not required by the rules of the House that any other order of the day should ba appointed. In the present state of public affairs I could not, as the Noble Lord b 3 his conditional appoint • ment of a day himself admits, fix precisely a day. I certainly cannot proceed with the Bill under the circum stances I have cated.—(Loud Cheers.) I trust that out of oil these unhappy differences of opinion that exist, a measure of Reform, a great, extensive, effectual, and bene ficial plan of Reforni—(Loud cheers)—for if it is not great, extensive, and effectual, it cannot be beneficial— (Loud and long continued cheering)—trill be produced, and will restore the confidence of the public in the insti tutions of the state.—(Loud cheers.) I trust, I say, that out of these unhappy differences now prevailing a mea cure will arias that will give satisfaction. If it falls short of what I think is right and necessary, yet if it have that effect, it will give me sincere pleasure and sa tisfaction ; but I could not trust, under the circutnatances I was placed in, to carry a measure tukiect to daily defeats and alterations that would be forced on me by a majority of the House daering with me so widely in opinion, and composed, as to 4-sths at least, of persons who object to all. Itefortn whatever.--(Loud and long continued cheers.) Thus, nay Lords, I have thought it necessary to vindicate myself against the uncalled for, ill timed, and I must say the unprovoked attack of the Noble Lord. I should not, hoseever, have attempted,any answer to it having been exposed to so Much of the same character— (Cheers)—had I not thought it of more importance to wet myself right with your Lordships and the public with respect to the course I have pursued and the motives that have dictated it—(Loud cheers)__ particularly in giving that wivitse, and tendering that re signation, to hia Majesty, which nothing, in the present circumstances of the country, but a painful sense of duty could have compelled me to give.—(The Noble Earl eat down amidst loud and long-continued cheers.) The Earl of CARNARVON said ; that he had made no attack upon the Noble Earl, but as the Noble Earl had made an attaea . upon him, he was sure that their Loedshipa would allow him a few words in explanation. It still appeared to him that the other House of Parlia inent having sent the measure up to them, and their Lord ships having determined to take it into coosi;ieration, if their Lordships should now deterine not to go further they would appear to dismiss it with contempt. Now he was sure. shit every Member of that House desired to afford to that measure the most earnest and the most complete attention. With regard to the complaint of the Noble Earl, that he (the Earl of Carnavon) had im puted . motives to him, and sinister motives tact, 'ha would appeal to their Lordships wbethe; single word that h a d fallen from hint cott,l4 k,,c construed into the tneaainc , of nny ouch motives to the Noble E irl. Indeed, after what he had heard to-night, and a few nights ago, he, for one, could not form a conclusion as to what the motives were which had guided the Noble in the course which he had pursued. He tio?neeht, that the Noble Earl, when he spoke of the nriviee which he bad tendered to the Sovereign, aliaded . to that which had been formerly alluded to in that House and elsewhere,—namely, the making of such a number of Peers as would destroy the deliberative character and independence of the llonecof,Lords.—( Hear. ) But though he condemned the g;ving of such advice, be t•ad never imputes to the Noble Earl that in giving it he was eataatod by tho perconal motive of preserving himself and his coll-agues in office; anti he had never meant to insinuate that in tendering such a tremendous eel:wee:el to their Sovereign, they had done so for *,!;..c.. purpose of making their way in a House wlticii they had been already outvoted. if Noble Earl supposed that he im• pitted any cuss, n,otive to him in giving that counsel, he had quite misunderstood what had fallen from him (the Earl of Carnarvon), and if any person had insputred such a motive to the Noble Earl, the itreleata'sion had not come from that side of the Douse. When he said that it was the most arpcious advice that any Minister had ever given to his Sovereign, the words were spoken in raerfect good temper, though, undoubtedly, they ogees charac terized by a warmth which became a leiehd of the Con stitution, and a Member of that House—they e manated from a feelin-., wLieb he should deeply and warmly eater tain tin the Ist moment of his existence.—(Cheers from the Opposition.) If, however, such ay atrocious counsel had not been given to the Sovereign, and if it were other considerations that bast induced the Noble Earl to ;ake the step which he bad taken, he humbly begged the Noble Earl's pardon for attributing to bi.e such an unconstitu tional line of conduct. perhaps he had already exceeded the limits of art e:eilanation ; but he supposed, alter the attack yr:lkb had been made upon him—(A laugh from the Ministerial benches, and irries of " Hear, hear," from the Opposition)—afta the attack, he repeated, had been made ti t = him, he supposed that he should be allowed t o oiler a few more observations to their Lordships i n hi s vindication. • Lard DOVER rose to order. Thz Noble Earl should confine his observations to that which was immediately be fore the House, and he had no right to diverge from the strict line of explanation into other and irrevelant topics. The Lad of CARNARVON was satisfied that he was perfectly in order, for he meant strictly to confine himself to the subject before the House. He had a motion before 1.!7e House, and to that motion he attach.,l no trivial im portance. When he said he had been attacked by the Noble Earl, he did coacef.ve that the statement of the Noble Earl as to the temper which he (the Earl of Car p trvon)manifested in making that motion, and the warmth of feeling which he then displayed-..,a warmth of feeling v..hicli, when the Constitution was assailed, any man who 'oved that Con s titution would not fail to evince—conetl- PRINCE TALLEYRAND.—The habit, of Prince TALLF.YRAND are of an extraordinary character, considering the great age which he has reached. He t, kes bat one meal daily, which is dinner, at which he drinks about a pint of good wins, with three or four tumblers of iced water. After dinner he usually goes to his club, where he frequently remains till three o'clock in the morning. His usual time of rising is between eleven and twelve; his receptions commence at about one. Notwithstanding his advanced age he enj , ,ys the moat per , feel health, and his mental faculties are as vigorous as they were forty years ago. He is, in fact, as a diplomatist, quite as effective as if the burden of years was not upon him. His fortune is very large, being, it is said, upwards of 30,0001, per annum, the greater pint of which he spends in this country. The bulk of his fortune will, we believe, be inherited by Mdlle. PAULINE, the daughter of the Duchess DE DINo. This little girl is a great favourite , with the Prince, and promises to become a very fine woman. Prince TALIrETP.AND is exceedingly hospitable, keeps an excellent table, and allows his house to be the rendezvous. of ail 'Frenchmen distinguished by - intellect anti character. His suite is very numerous, and he has several secretaries, who have been selected from different buresux in which they had made themselves remarkable by their zeal and diligence. In moat embassies the secretaries are the proteges of the Court and Ministry, and are rhoseta without riagarci to talent; but TALLEYRAND would rot accept sgch persons, and his embassy is, therefore, from himself downwards, the most effective in this country. A report has prevailed lately in the fashionable circles that Prince TALLIYAAND was about to pub.ish his memoirs,. This report is utterly without foundation. His Excel lency, indeed, has prepared his memoirs for publication after death, bat he has not the remotest idea of allowing any part of them to be published during his lifetime. Court Journal. • Paris contains at this moment several hundred Poles, and it is worthy of remark that nut one of them has been attacked by the cholera. All of them were at hoe when that scourge ravaged their country. May it be concluded that they thus became accustomed to the mot-- hific miasmata, and that the epiJetny which desolates has, in consequence, no effect on their bodily sytterns This circumstance is not unworthy of serious examination, CURIO Vs DISCO VERY.--Information has reached Sydney of the existence of a young man named MAreritzws, who was captured about three years ago, by the natives of an island called the 'Valenta, near the New Hebrides, in the South Sass. It may be recollected Coat about the time mentioned, the Alfred, whaler, wns oft that island fishing i sad, in a dispute between the natives and the crew, the Captain and several hands were mur dered, and a mate (the person now discovered) was carried 01V 2. prisoner, and never since heard of. The manner in which this unfortunate young man has at last made him self known was by cutting his name, the particulars of his capture, and his present situation (which he represents as miserable)„ on a piece of bamboo, and then giving it to the natives to trade with. Not understanding the cha racters, and supposing the bamboo to be an original piece of tattoo workmanship, they bartered it away amongst other things to ono of our colonial whaling captains (Cap tain HARIVOLON of the Hashmy), who retains it in his possession. We are informed that a humane attempt will be r - ..Aado to purchase this unhappy fellow from the savages. Since the above was written, the schooner New Zealander has arrived in Sydney, from INlalanta, and other places, ant brings up more particulars of the fate of Marrerxws. Captain Hanugs Las in his possession a letter, and a carved cocoa-nu: A Wltieh were brought on board ale New Zea lander Fay a native, front their prisoner, t'aie iii.rject of this ,e b a e lt)t k aer i r n t ia d c ul t o o l anr t gs h ii e lfl n n ase a s t ss i x y f eedcawy any u l lie ihnree receive,?. n o\ d ivi s . rtil ti narrative. The following is a lit era l copy o f t h e l etter;— I p of atives a e to l:l :r a i S e llivß th e' other side of the isht;e.i. They say our slip killed three men. They keep me elLae, and will not let me come near the ship. Make Mtn a present of something ahowy ;—his name is Bokiwwa, If yq.:, will send me a shirt itu4 a pair of trousers, I will be mud obliged to you ;I am in s state of nature. A ship may get a good supply on this island,, by making friend... with them. Give the men sonlethiAg to eat, as it is great friendship with them. Write to ,•ac the particulars what chips are cruising oft' this island. I ',lye on the north side of the island. Be careful of the nastves—nthey are forming a plso to take a ship. Do not come on shore without fire arms. 'They are cannibals. It I can once get a note from you, I can form a plan to get away.—l am your humble servant, " JOHN MAITHEWS." Tug.. HARBOUR OF NEW YOE.X.-1. have 11. war seen the hay of Naples, I can therefore snake no cotnparison, but my imagination is incape.`ale of con ceiving any thing of the kind tunic beautiful than the ir.irbour of New York. Various and lovely ire the ob jects which meet the sye on every side, but the na:niog il , ent would only be to give a list of words, without con. veying the faintest idea of the scene. I doubt if ever the pencil of TURNER could do it justice, bright and glorious s. it rose upon us. We seemed to enter the harbour . of New York upon waves of liquid gold, and as we darted ir set the green isles which rise from its bosom, like guar dian sentinels of the fair city, the setting sun stretched `cis horizontal beams farther and farther at each moment, if to point out to us some new glory in the landscape. New York, indeed, appeared to us, even when we saw it `iy a sober light, a lovely and a noble city. To us, velr• , i,d been so long travelling through half-cleared fores ts, ,rd sojourning among an " I'm-as-good-as-you" popu : aim], it seemed, perhaps, more beautiful, more splendid, . ni more refined than it might have dune, had we arrived here directly from London ; but, making every av - nee fur this, I must still declare that New lurk I think to of the finest cities I ever saw , and a s much superior to eery other in the Union (Philadelp hi a not excepted) as 1,,,nd 0n t o Li ve rpool, or Paris to Ronal. Its adva n t age ., I position are, perhaps, unequalled airy w h o . e. situated r an island, which I think it will one day cover, it rises, c e Venice, from the sea, and like that fairest of cities, in , days of her glory, receives into it. lap tribute of all riches of the eartb. Tru3, , pt's. Dons , Ifii• fanners of the "Imericane.