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itter 'age of other . rstablishments,iit would not;by any olfititS, be unreasonable. but, however desir. able, it be to furnish His Majesty with the means,of exercising his benevolence on a scale befit., - ring a great nation, he, in consideration of the pres.' Sure of the circumstances of the times, proposed that ' the Estimate under the head of Pesssions, should he taken at 92,0001. as it was in rßoz. The only other kern in which there was any teal excess, . was • in certain allowances to the Foreign Ministers, and 1 this Would not exceed 80001. There was another instance in which there would be' an apparent in. crease. When His IVlajesty's Civil List liad been settled, the sum of 58,p001. was. granted to the Queen to cover all the expences of the Royal Family, and it was thought, right nowthat Parliament Should enable Hip Majesty to grant the sum of , pool. annually !Rim the_ Civil - List, the allowance to her Majesty being altogether insufficient.—This would create a charge 42°,0001. up' in the Civil List. 7he. whole amount then of the charges to be voted annual 'y would be 135,0.061. The Estitnated.Cliarges • on he Ci 111..ist AntrlUtiled 975,0001. ; the Re venue of the Civil List not . . quite :labium to 90b k 0301 . . ; St appeared, 'however, that certain fees s hich had been added to the,Civii List, raised it to 92 1,0001. ; which left a deficit of 64.00001. The Right H',n. Gen. tle t na o , tltcref.ire, proposed to 'vote a positive addi. tiou'ot 60,00&.,t0 the Civil , and ,trusted that the .grounqs he had stated would be so satisfaelory. • to the Comnitt lee, that ,they Would feel rt:;•tig. linnet to adopt his propositions. Ht. conclu l LI by inowipg,‘s. That the sum o 1591,8; 11. be granted to 111 S Majesty, to inake'rod the I)elits on the Civil List, up tA , t he dist . inst. , , BANKES , t.aiti, thatit, was generally expeEt. etir When the t.tst application ,w.tts..ffiade to Parliament for a discharge of the 4 ddsrs of ,the,Civii List,, that measures Would-have' been taken to prevtot re• cuetenci of a simitsr application in 'wore, by gu std. ink against. the accumulation of arrears. This titlrre might, in his jnrigineot, have been produced, if not silt.'gether avoicleil,,hy. attending to the proviiions Air.lll) a X t torn whicb , vas sorry to observe an almost total departure for rt ~.y years back. The ' Non. Member. thought that seer) an appication as the present, which went to Ana, e a,perin silent ad. vance in the amount of the Ci it List, ought to have been accompanied by some proposition upon the same principle as Mr. Bet SKS 's Bill, which should . serve to regulate the expenditure of that 'List. Poi x 6 years previous to the year i Boz, the arrage of the Civil List 'Debt was not. nylre than 80,400 1 . onnuady, but for the two last years that average had trebled. The cause of this increase he particularly ...wished . to have explained. The lion. Meino , r -there proceeded to animadvert upon several items of ~ the ate. out upon the table. The sums under the teat , of Special Sts,r %Oct-. for' Ike last two years, struck Lim as rather extratirdipary. The 4.0.0001. for F. 4 reign Minisiers j he thought, should be Specificoly accounted f,r. Ile did • not like this. way of lump. ing. it. .It might lead men to coteture that it was made a cloak fur the application of the. public money to inyroper purposes. At the same timelliat he expresSed a wish that the House mid.' the Public should he satisfied upon this point, he begged it to l ie 13,14.15r00d , that, tar from - desiring to abridge .she .I , cr 'Mr Ambassadors, heentersaineti a hope that 8 ,. 1 ,,,1 1 a; ~ w inces wnuld,be augmented, so as: to ceiricuit the rank and suitable accommodation Of bur DipLma:ic Agents.. . tinder the head of the tord ' Chamberlain's C.)lser, anti Particularly with respett to the B )ard of Works, he observed a considerable increat. , beyond former years. For the augmenta. ",ion of the allowance of presents, &c. tit Foreign .14iniTters.wititin the-last .year, he could not conceive a reason.. tic meant that kind of allowance granted s.,,for executing CiinVentiOns, 'T'rea'ties, Stc; . 'as there were none such that he recollected. Yet .this sum . 1 114eriallyr exceeded tie expenditure fors:, .‘siotilar c . purpose in the year. previous to the histWar,'wlien many Convetr ions ;old 'friatiett with Foreign -• PolverS "We're' excess - n)ight, perivarr e .• !saves . . .proeee.derl fr. ; nt p reit s t States; but of *this he ss islied to •be . in. ri " are ;I (id n" `os' r tit s ,r,' s for , loss at Cgtoga r theiar-st4o,--Inrativance o.ecio!. ► hich mat! • , for die, 0,0021:. .1 lilt Veils'o , n•Liit., ,Whidhltati bettrtiolict 11."); andjifiercfc►t• eiliete was nn %.*'t t!, t„•t IlL unblic,. The , 4 '4 1 4 itto a 1 7g.xpvwe to t h r. U'fi::i illeq;ree . ,Se cretaries of pirate, hich Wit! leSti ~, 77;0 33 1. d. t.Ppe_titerl tu'hith partiodarly exl l l,lo.ltion. Omm,e of those ()Meet Nov no douhkniew, t,d'he did 'tor tnekrr Ati-contend'e that .it was tiiineceNsitfy in War • hut uppil . the pttlirn of Pence, ‘...lienever . it alinuld arrive, Ile ho ped 'it ):),q)uld'be'd;),n: - The -Hon: , IVieinbee-stattalJhitv-apprithalion of the proposal' of his Right;, don, tralisi . el 4 3 ntil 4 r 4, Fttod . -those ellatges which- did 1101,01opetiy' belong to the Civil List t itr e w a .t mother item• rt an the , `rable upon which the Hon. Member confessed. that he could tint. touch witbo4t pain,:bnrhis sense at duty woulthnot - suff+hito f() overlook it. • 'Phis was an adViince of 26,0001. 10 the: D ihux?. C It t NC v, Which 'was ji) be .retes d ' by 'i n "-mehts, and of which 70001; were still due. . If the . ..Salary of that Ill ustr i t s u k Personage, of any other hranch of the Royal, Family, were . found : in. 4 litiquire- to provide for the ioniforts which belOng-. cv she station they Occupied,i lie would be ;as 1111dy as any man to consent to any y increase thk !night be raceisary ~;',..bUt lie disliked the priaCiple of such - crecaoanal sdisoCes ss, that-;to which he. d. It was a • coinplete deviation - from the spirit Anti Setter of Mr. Bouxt's Bill. It 'tended. . to disorganize the whole System of the Civil List. It'wouitilarrve to place the Princes of: the'Slood in a kind of dependence on the First Lord of the 'rm. Silty, who might, if this pratalce were - tolerated, ad.. Vance any sum be pleasedin this etandestine manner, 'without the 'consent of Parliament, to any person he chest accommodate, whether that person belonged t" the • Riayal, Family, or nor.. Fur it was hard to v say - to 't hat in tXltrit the principle might be carried. 111,1 . • indeed,' in, ont instance, been extended to a Military bificer .(Major.Gentrol Citiot Nast), to Whom above 2QOOI. had been advanced, with the of.repayment.at the. rate Of 3001. a year, nor a guinea of which had been yet received. iHow 'cable. it, he' asked, that. the performance of Such an ,s!ngagement was not enforced by thOse Who had the Means of doing so, by dedueling froui•the Salaries th rY had to-pay t The *next poor' to .whial..l6* Hun. Member called theattentintluf the House, was the deficiency the te es' of Ulcersin the `Frei.. miry, which amounted to ts,oool. a sum equal to! the whole salary of the higher Officers in that dc. partment. How such a deAciency gre,w up he wish.:• ed to learn. Upon the whole, indeed, of the items' to which he bad alluded, he was anxious for expla. nation ; perheps that•explanitiori might remove his} ibiultts . —Aoubts he called them, for there W Hirtithiogl in the Report to which he abs-lutely objetled, but: the occasional advances he referred to. To the: time - at • which this proposition' was 'submitted; he could not help saying,. that he hal much Ohio - thin, At such a crisis as the present, when the Country ; had such bus !hells to hear, and such ra en counter, he did not think'it was decorous or fitting': fio make this application on the part' of the Crown. As it was determined to make it, however, it was . incumbent on 'His .Majesty's 'Ministers to couple' with is some measure io prevent the farther accumn.: lation debt 'in this departMent.• :He had heard, • it Said, that such a general measure was imprac. ; but this , assertion was not borne out by the experience of many years immediately succeeding she enaftment tit Mr. BO:tees Bill. was evident 'that 'either some - means must be ' adoptedof keeping the expences of this Department within the Revenue assigned, or a necessity would perpetually recur of tesorting to Parliament in the' way 'then before the House. After recapitulating several of his cfnestions, the Hon. Gentleman ad. misted that, Wit permanent addition to the Revenue of the Civil Litt were deemed necessary, dm ar. rangernent could not be put on. a better footing ,than that proposed by his Right Hon. Friend: He ex. rted the •Treasury, with whoin the cuntrool rest. e-1, to keep all the Government. Offices within die silks of etonomy, and not permit'extravuganie of oty , kind. A trio: , i the Other explanations required by t:te Hon. i.onan, he requested to be inlortn:d 'uf the amount 'of she four•and half per cent-. duties `which were appliCable to,-the purposes of the Civil List, and also of the other resources which were ap. plicablein aid of that Fund - the CHANCKLLOR of ib'e EXCHEQUEIt he gin by- coMplimentlng the *fair and pith:twittery manner in which his Hun. Friend had stated hit opi nions. The principal voint upon which his ltut. Vriend 'seemed to liesitite as to the propriety of concurring in ;he ,prop_isition before the H 'use was this, that the time of War was not that witic:i ought to have been seleCted for an applicatisin nature ; hut, in answer to this obje,qioi,, he would . say, that it was become necess:try to AO one Of two 00gs—either •refuse to the Throne 4 A adeduate phowance, or to break in upon the establitilitwot of itoyaity ; and he did not believe that there was a in in who, in any eircumstancee, would, merely for a Siving of so or 60,00.61. consent to an abridgment of that dignity hien t lined a necessary part of-the Mo d starchy, and therefore formed a necessary patrol out Constitution. Thie, however, must be done, or elsi we mustlo on suffering the debt of the Civil 'List to accumulate in time of war, and shards} t he n emi. •sit y oimaletog good the payment of it in tituestipeace; bu t he would submit it to the judgment of the:House and the Public, whether it Was nut better, even antidit • the premiere of war, at once to provide for she dis charge of this arrear, and also, to guard, as much as pusitillogainst the recurrence of such debts, , than to •adopt either of the Alternatives he had referred to To state the dilemma in which, his Hon. Friend's I:o)jt:dion., would place-the House, was, he . was satis. fled, quite enough to ensute their assent to the propo, • sition he 'had the hotiour to submit, a. proposition , which had for its Oka the support of that increased expence of the Crown, which arose ncxfromoily d spa. anion to prodigality or extravagance,' bps from that enhancement in all the necessary article, of life,Whieh had taken place since the revenue' of the Civil List was last fi xedond Of which every iudi v idualin private life must be sensible. The arrangement he propos ed, it must be Obvious to 'any dispassiOnata man, ha s h nit view to any, advance in the quantum of magnifi• cence; or the indulge tides whichishOuld belting to the R ,y,al Family. as she dilly intention was to enable that Illnstrtous Family to maintain the rank which, adeniding to the'grant of 1186, it was admitted they 'ought to ' the - nuly etre& of the proposed •• addition would be to equaliie their Revenue 'to- the change olcircumitances which had taken plaCe,he was confident t h at there wits not one of tehe Constituents of that House, whoilmuld.itatTeonsidetthat economy . extremely misplaced, whielirshould, under such cit. .eunbtances, call upon His Majesty's Family to re. ',trench their .neceseartrexpences,,pr reltie assent to the proposilion in plehite, pa tiettlaily when it was rec lietted, that the. Civil List was but a commute. , !ton wh,c: His ;;I,sly had accepted on his acces t;ti it, to the throne, t6r 'a large hereditary; re. venue, W!len it was considered how long His Majc•stYhad, '• hdtTily fur. this 'COOtitty, occupied the 'throne, for, a • perish Finger almost (liatt any Sovereign 'to be fohrid in our history ; When the grow,th . of the 'reveout, • which he' had surrendered in riechange, Wds taken into aconsideration, he was 'sure it woul.l ad. tlittit'd, that a' Call upon.: Parliament for an advance of 60,0001. a year fn hii.Rettenue, and the trans. fee to another food "of clsims which'do not at all • belneg to the CiVirtist,, according to its original cont . autition,fornished no fair ground of objetftion; fur ' he begged it to he distinctly understood by that; House. .hnd the Public, that that branch of the hereditary ft— Venue Which habeen enjoyed by His Majesty's pre. • decessors, and in•lieu of which he had thought proper to accept theCiiiilList,hadsofir advanced slut it noW amounted to between 1,40cL001. and i',5'30,0001. ‘l..year; From thii; therefore, it appeared, that 'the' Addition of 60,0001. to gob s oobl. a-year left a con. sidersble balance in favour of the Public. He 'would put into the candour of theHoute and the Country, whether any proposal could • stand upon fairer '• groinids—whether any -thing could be' imagined • moreself.evident, and less liable to - mi,itake At to ittiother point in the speech of his Hotr; Friend, which recommended the pioposi t ion of some measure of gene. ral regulation s upon a principle analognits to that upiin 'which Mes Burke's was founded,- he- always' thoutiht ,that•such a measure was impraaieable, and , ih this opinion he warconfirmed from a consideration of the nature, and altnowledge of the,freas kiirkes.system, which was fowil - to be quite ioap. Heti the 'Right Hon. Gentleman took oc. casion to state the, execs* in the expenee of the Civil List bed by no . ..weans- proceeded,. as hrs Honour. able trand prof - emit& to think, from an improisey at 4. -- tention.to Mr. Burke's Ildl, but froth fi nding that', • a change ofcitcumstancrtshad rendered a eltiscatten.' don to that measure impratticable. He hoped that his condufl for 'some- yeAts after tilt enaelment of • . that Bill was Aiteh as to shew,, that if it had failed .. of 'it's objed, that failure Was not to be attributed to the want of a sincere desire upon his part, - and that of hil,, Colleagues iii 'office, to carry it into corn. plete•execution. • That, .indeed, was an At which fell fit short of the hips of its .amh-r, and, in • its operation, he :saw that'a projeel tray be ' very, tine In description, and' good in theory, 'which inay . have a different aspell wbfn it comes to be a • praPicalT measure. To the mode of classing the'creditors of the'Civil List, in the Atialluded to, theGovernmene with which he had the honour of being conne6led, had al ways adhered. • No preference was ever given: to any but the Royal Fatuity, the Judges, and' ' the - Foreign 'Ministers, and upon all the other' classes' the , debt was suffered• to fall in equal p-rp.., portion. The Right Hon. 'Gentleman, Bolt ever, dwelt uptinalie Corniequences.Which would result from a rigid adherence to the letter of this All, portico. .larly in. regard to the extintlion of a debt which, shottid. he suffered to go a certain number of quartets' . in arrears. This, straily afted upon, would, he as. prehended, expose the Royal nuttily themselves to have their salaries stopped.• The measure altoge. then was not reducible act, pradice, nor did he think any 'thing of a similar nature would he efNitial. All'he'thOught advisable or necessary Was, that, in case the'Civil List should at any future time be in , debt, and he could not pretend to provide - against such an event, Parliament should be immediate ly ap. ptiied ill the existence •of suell'iltiebt . : , For this purpose he would have no objeflion to ihtroduce a clause, into the -Aa, which Was meant to be grounded upon the 'Resolutic:to of ' the Committee ; such a clause enjoining, that whenever the CiVil List shoUld don. !rad a debt of 'a specified ainoutit, or whenever it. shout() be la certain time in a rrear, the f...a ,houkl-b c laid before Parliament. This appeared to him to be the most simple mode of proceeding, anti the only 'plan that Occurred too hire a!; necessary: After the circumstance of the•debt should be laid before Parlia. ment, then it woultl,become a Subjen fOr coosidera. lion What tOurse, to follow. Further particulars might berealted far, and , the littlest iovestigati , so might take p1..C0, , it .it should 'appear to be necessary%— , This idea would, he hoped, melit the wishes and be calculated to answer the of f a which his_lion. Friend sought for. Ai to the explanatiim required by itislimaric nal, respeil big the lid derived to the Civil List from the +-1. per cent. duties, and other funds, htec;:ittlil state to his Honourable Friend and the House, that this a' . Alvao insignilvant iiuited: :\d. verting:to the Avances made Iferlie ljttit E dfCl.lt• R ENCe-Itid (idler& GAP DM o,lt, the . Right. lf.n, Gentleman presumed that it ! would .he 'mind the , stipulaied intitalllloo,‘ w ere ,tlCdtlaed from their 114. lades. He did O tt mean to, state it positively, as lie• 11311 triode MI Inquiry'on the subj!ilf.' 'Here Mr. il:tx.F.s stated acrosa the' Yible, 'that the contrary appeared to be : the .W..i, from ,the aC. r.unts before, the Ilowe.). Mr. Purr ieitinied..• ‘ With respe% to the ptin. eiple of occasionally- advancing money . :to persons • connected With the Civil List, whete the cause ap. peared 16 be pressing, and not otherwise, he difi!red • Widely from the opinion of his 'Hon, Friend. Such ~ advances, he admitted, Ought not to be. frequent, and 'annuld,he made only 'upOrt ekiratfrdintry raeca. sions; bpi in point of tact', theadvartceS alluded to by his. pion. Friend were not of such 'rmounf,' as much to alarm the .je alousy of the House upon this subjea. .As to the •allusiMis of his Hun. Friend;to • the Selieral . items of the accotinis on the table, he most say, that he w,as nut prepared'to satisfy him • but, he was at liberty to move for any dom. • ment he thought necessary to the full explanation • of the points , he referred to.' With many or most of the points adverted to by his llon. Friend, he had no immediate concern, but yet he had no doubt that they could all be satisfadorily accounted, foro lie wished the Hon. Gentleman, the House and the coop: try o clearly to comprehend. every pars •of the state. meat, and that every light should be thrown upon it. 1-le2bad no other desire than that it should be probed to 'the bottom, in order that it should .be seen, that the application he had the ,honour to submit, was the result of a . real unavoidable necessity, and in no part of the expenditure. had Government ceased to exercise a proper and vigilant contralti. Feel. ing a just solicitude fur the credit of His Majesty'a Goveroinent, .it, was .WS anxious wish that every means i l lintild be taken to satisfy' , the Country of the truth of the 101 , t he had Stated,' There were many parts of the Household, ill which the Right Hon• Gnitteman stated, that he maths his estimate lower than was formerly fixed; particularly in the Board of Works, alluded to. by his .Honourable Friend. In .that department an increased expen diture had been incurred within the two last ) ears, which was'not likely to recur again. It Aros: from the fi;liog up Of apartments for the aceomm,dat ion of some of the branches of His Majesty's Family. In ahis'depart Mert, and also in"many others, he had '1;l - t, it. his : duty, to draw up a reduced estimate. He hoped it would not he•fouttd 103 late, ana that in,'his endeavour to prevent unneettiary expent, heihrauld nut expose himself to the charge of laying a. del4. sive statement before the House, or of contributin to reduce the just claims of . any deseription of pc ~ sails. Mr. 13Awicit'expltinea. - • iippi Narchvareed in feivotti of the pro- I , position before the Houte. The Right 1-lootombhle Gaitlettran who Prtiposed it appeared to have rc. plied in a' prtiper and parliatnentary rtizirMer tta his lionottrable Ftiend on the tither side, by telling him that lte , might have, upon mottart, piny - doturneht he •desited, to eluciA;ite the hUbjcal uptin which he had thought proper to auto - 144,11. The Right Hon. Gentleman went on to supp.)rteyerfarglitmoc ahvaneed ,by Mr. Port'. I4e eXpfesSed 4particuhr - wish fur a iuitabk provision to he allowed to out. DiPlornatic Agents. fie chntended, upon the subjetl, ot.MrtA43arke's that illo,trioui pernsn was Itirwelt conscious of the difficulty of executing!thttr Bill, and •tht oonteiousnesta .-ha nt.inifested, wher,4,'• twine_.yors itter in enattnetit.„ . ptoposition7w*s rwide and carted in that House; to alter tile Pr 6 v siott& thAt Bill, without it single observation - frvfn The Right Han, Gantlentaa vindicittid the xtlvance fitule to , the Dula of C%eta t rIC 'which he deicribed .as the petin mance. of .r promise Made to His Royal Highness r!otne. years hcfL,re, thi; advance served to mieve frinn acme difficulti:3 which then pres.eti nn him, and any person who had a knowledge ti thecharm. ter of His R ,yal Highness, could entertain no doubt of .his stria attention to any stipulation that he_ might have entered into. The Right Honourable Gentleman took notice of the difFerence between the proposed amount of the Civil List, and the produce Of the. Revenue which had been fit. changed for it, .obierving, that from this comparison it was Manifest, :that Were it po,Sil;le, after a long reign, forfora ditputed account to arise between:ill erte. , sOlt!ntSovereign and an afkiiunotfPe,iple, the gains would he 'found on the 'side of the latter. In the proposettaugmentalion Of the - itilowance to the Female. llraneLes of the Royal Family, the Right Honour.. able Gentleman expressed particular satbfattidn, and concluded with stating his readiness' to afford anyexplanation that might be demanded +i ith revel to those parts of the account on the tattle with. which he had had an immediate concern. - Dr. L etIFREN(.'B entered into a long and Minute defence of Mr. Burke's Bill, and dwelt on the pre. privy of separating the different accounts yelating to the Civil List. , He complained particularly that the. Foreign. Politics were too little attended to, while too much encouragementiswas given te rX penditure in the : home department. Sir Fit ANCtS ,BUPD /IT T found it impossible to take that view of the subjeet, which the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite had done, The present circumstances of the Country, he thought, rendered any demand on the public purse extremely delicate. The Right, Hon. GentlVliin opposite had ar g ued, t hat because the necessaries, of life were high, and because difficulties were felt, even in the itigher „walk, of society, we must, therefore,. necessarily lay on a.liitional burdens on the general classes of the pen.-le. So fee, however, rrom ;assenting, to that proposition, he thought the very tevetse to he the truth.. On account of the particular pressure of the times,, he felt it his duty to oppOse any burden's on' the people, but such. as were absolutely necessary. He did not think it proper, that any additional re. venue should be allowed w. the Prince at the et. pence of the People, merely on account of the ell. gency of tloa times, which muit fait equally heavy on both. wished it partic ularly, howeveit; ici be understitod as his opinion, at the same limes that the Prince should not be tilt - tressed by any incon veniency of any description but the allowance already made, he ilvoight sufficient fur every exi. geney. He could trot help thinking, theref4e, that there must exist some abuse in the distribu. tiost,of the public money. The intster.Ce ti) it was to be, drawn from this! t of his :Via. jesty's Ministers was, that the Ciy is List ,VVAI l!Ot adequate to the tletn:tnds that touSt bt.made cart at but this would always be. the cose,',lle'argued. nisters were allowed to apply. it what ma-user dui though! proper. the Civil List ought, Mete. fore,. not at' all tnexist, of the purposes to which it was t olie applied, he coratepled, ought to be paid. cularly specifvd. have n , ) that persons in real %limos all raid receive assiatatoce from :die Civil List, but in the present circton. stances of the PUlliltry; no other reason perhaps, could be urged, or at least ought to be urged; far the die tribution of 'the, public money. lie did nut deny, that instances might occur when particular to-Tit might` claim a particular reward ; but, in this respect, he thought Parliament had hitherto discovered no very particular generosity. When he thought of the Pension allowed to the gallant Lord Net.sota, when lie.thought of. the gratitude Sir S. SMITH hail experienced, lie could riot help thinking, that the rewards they had met witli,werelmall indeed when compared to those Sums lavished on others who had • 'IC. :Alin duties to fulfil. But there was yet another article in which Ministers were very 'much to be blamed, from the faceOf the a c counts that now lay be fore the House. He did not see that Ministers Nil a right to advance ro any niche Royal Family any peen., niary grants whatever.: Such giants alone ought to he efi made by the House. Thei a...apparent particularly, Itle argued, ought not to be dependent on Ministers for the grant of any,advincei or ofsny semi, He would take a future opporluttitar, he said, in Nom; stage o f 'this business, to declare his sentitnenti mere lie did not mean, however, to expross any hostilitt ty to taxation in • general. On the contrary, "he thought, th tt where the wealth of a nation was pro. perly and judiciously taxed, instal's' of being any in. coOvenience, it would retembie rather the vapours that arc raised from the earth, by ► the operation of the rays of sun, and (hat again return in rains and dews, enriching and fertilizing the Soil. It was to the abuses of taxation only,. that V/Ji an enemy, and to their. improper application. Sir JOHN NEIPPORI' was of .'opleitro thet t ell those estimates eliould be separated TroittAilt List, that did nut belong immediately to the digit, laity sand splendour of the Crown. He could nut agree With the Hoti . .Baronet who hail just sat down, that the Monate!) ought not toile supported in pe. rinds, particularly where extraordinary Expendi ture was necessary. He lvoulttappend to the French, if they had tior found their 'situation worse, and r heit expences increased, notwithstanding the, resist sort they bed made to their old Government. He did nit -wish, he said, to - see the c)enforts and colivenieneir* of their„Stavere l gn - abridged ,1n any degree, nor that dignity, which' ought to ecchtnpany hie rank, in any -way diminished; No private Gentleman, lie tikinglit, ,even in the Country, could give an exact statement of his probable eipenecs for anyone year ; was it 'then lb be wondered at, he asked, if every item of expenditure belonging to the Civil List, could nut be accurately foreseen APDITIPNAL NAvx,ESTIIVArESt Mr. W. DtcxertsoN, in filiCg to wove, f o r a grat;t' of 3t1,0001. for additional expellees *to die DeNettneot, did I.( thmk it Iltectsary to trouble the etammittee at length. lie would tmrely sttateolut 15°,0001. of this sum was for three ships; vessels from 40 co 6o ;tans ; the rest I - or-sloops, gtto.visels, and mortars, thought oecevsery for the preterwstri. ice, by the Admiralty Boatii, aid intr. 0,45 ed or coutratt.za forsihee the isth May. Mr. jot NST9NE wislicd to know, whethrr a fur.. ther . suM, fOr the M'Aintettance of Semeen, tvet4not be regaical in'isaidth than were 89,booSeirareo,