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simllor to thOM! ,) - .0 the Commons, "".'-g raflS of Clic jodiciAl Sande t of IV:, A ;.logre.-.. of informality in th:. titles of .!.f!« I tit iol.s being ootiecti by the Lott D cll LIM 3, start conversation on tihtt part of'thl subject sutti t ille N.tble. dna LC:killed Ls'otafi t he EitTaosiirt arl itntt - ttie. Noble Marquis ; the Lesolt :was, tleat Cott 1 1 1, titit.mti . were ordered to be .to.the consikteration of on Open Committee of Precedents. - SLAVE Tit.A.DE. The Dux a or CeAtt F. ric it presented two Petitions against the Slave 'rrade'Abolition.Bill,on of which Was from certain Merchants, Mortgage e s, and others of the Tow nand , Port Of LiVttpUd, , , 'l4 Order of the. D,iy, . for tpe second reading.of the ill being read, the questiOn fur the same was • ,- r!ecordingly put. ~. , • ' L;i•il 11 iltlYi re ES : BURY rose to move ati Amen 44 ' ment, by snbstituting, for the word " now," '' !Jai • day three months." , Fle had no intention of saying , any thing at present tending ,to prejudge the qiies- , thin : on the contrary, it was one of grave and FJ;rietvi importance, and deserved a solemn awl de, , liberate consitleratioik. This, however, in the pe- ScOt state of bitsjness, and in a very advanced r tirrd • of the S' , .:. , s;ion, ,he thotight there would he nop.os. iibilitY' of doing: and it was upon this cony iOion he propraed the Amr.timent. He was fully iimite;seti with the extensive and varionsly impOr rant imitire!t,if the subjeti, involving 'crest i , ns of - general, and ri,a. tionArinterest, as well . ' as' of individual ctincern...:- • He 1 - yICA - it' not then' to give' any `itinion 'ils;to the • decision tile -H :use •titight Ultimately to crime-in; Or-should he give 'un:opinion how flit; 'or' ih what .way, the interesting occurrences' of late years'aight to vary the question. He adverted to the late.pe . . • rind of the Session ity . which'itte 'Bill ', ,, ,VaS 'brought into the other Hnus of Parliament, whicti'rendered ouch an Amendment 'as the present necessary ; 'hut ; Ott the 'Same time, its adoption would afford the Him. Gentlemad who introduced the Ilill,"art oppa'reunity ' Of proposingir sufficiently 'ea'rly in the next Seision for it due conlideration of the subjeft in both Hothes of Parliarnen't ;,' nay, it was competent to any Mem. her of th,it House, shriuld+ he be so inclined, to agi. tat the • subjed as`early as' he wished, Ile repeat. eil, it was Under' thisiinirretsion, and the conviaitin . that no . maul progress could be made in the discus_ Sion of the . Measure this SessiOn, that he felt it his ditty to urge the Amendment. • . - .. ~ " The Duke .tif Noaiamt made a few observations ellen 'tlie,subjeL% its,: the course of which .be ex'. pressed' his' ciincidetice,. under the present circitin 7 stance 3,: with. the Amendment proposed by the Nos ble Secretary of State.. + - • ' . •-' ' Eart.YI.INHOPE conten'ded, that not a sha: dole of argurneliv had heinadditted for ptitfing off the consideration of the'Bill;••' The 'measure he cim: ceived to have been introduced 'at the most prtip4 period of the Session, tiz:.. that . in which there was i the fulest attentianee known for many . yearsl The Bill, politically *peaking, was of as math toil Sequence its Any other possibly boulLi be, in the ntintl Of every gnat) who had any idea o j f ustice - or Imola. tiity, lie teptobited the. idea that 'evidence - was • neerssary oh the subjeO• ;• ir.Wavan insult-wpm - the i tlotarit to say thia,peraonirpetitioning . for-leave. to cooltide in the,etimmissionof crimes should' he heard , . by •ev Wrote. That ; '.infamous praetice, called the sl.iiier,f,ratle, was Teithettiftellfrroreciuttnerv i but a traflir.: in liuni.tri flesh atid`blood : At •was the:seizure fir liurcl!a4e of innocent pi,rt.o4..in a' neutral' rotin tiy. :11,,,.11,irtiti situation Of 'Sr. Dliningq, 9rigindang in' the S:3stestrade, should 'sicken the , advocates for this ttilfic. • DM ; they; wish , Jamaica tor tic . in., i ' 4ititilar sithation 1. Insteltd oti being a neriery,tias • ixpefted,'•it was the graore of. British Searrien. •: , But , tlid Their Lord Shins-wis h, •to know. the 'real °Weds : of , the Slav e Trottel' Iv was; to enable certain Met. • ' .ehants , l4 tiverpoirl, and other,places, terlormati. ' Alizelmore tortle,land rtfAwill irouncl,iret (4 latish ). , fid 'shoulsrinot,''.4tow ever, foi hiro'self, pot their LOlllBlllO to Vie' tr4ihks of dividing upon the .lire_' Sent questionl • having just received a note,tintimat. log thisruifeeralr Friends' 'to the ; Abolition diti-nOt,+ thir•lc. that. the 'discussion - would havetcoMe.on this ,day. He suggested, particularly- to the West India Preiprierdis - , whether. at . wntileetxt be.wiser to let . the: Abolition take . place:ailentlY,-assepeated disc! vussionslinight eventually-be injarionst;.l t,•-.• . • ~ LoAtG 8110 1414 said,' it: vaiis difficult to speak l ,on• this - iultjett without :entering into ittte•mtritaafl she question of thetAbolititin ;.blit'siUCll , wita by • not, russet his: intentiam: .At ;present. he': was, otily to eciasitleir Who i her 'or not thekionse.should.entetioikai till which had-passed ului. Itioitse.of ecimmons, . alai' , -which,..lirvits- preanitile i 'deciarecVtlie traffic it was ab o Ut to itbotistwatijust. and inhuman.. - In hit opi.+ ,Ition tits House ,was butmdumprneeed,on the , sell, 1 whatever :priigress they :siight . .;be able to Mitkit. 'Admit t ing, they -couhi - par knish Abe necessoiy 4 le 'quit ire Alkis Session, •enia4 it-by -any just sribinent„ 'lse interred, that an that account; they , weft nutitto commence the subjedt ?,r. Thi s lie thought illogi4l,l • and wholly inadmissible. Let it 'be leculleflesi 41441 that no:one:could atooltitely know, When: His ,IVIa.! , jesty iniglit /think: proper to prorogue the , irarlia-i . viva., Grest.antrweighty matters, :now before this and the'orlier House, gavp the nailtral Inference that . . : -Faribirnanit•Avoulil ar. 4iast sit long enotithAte; enable • imosti,surupulous searchers ined.evidence to make ,considerable progress, SO ;is 444 next' Session lite . Hutt eimight :be , ready, not fir inquiry, but fat t-deoi46ll,•:: . ,klisit:thossever, loth v,illually deq,larettithat ~hi•wantOdf no inquiry. ; NS' anirul . was tpaclet.upit Ind he Was 'ready , this.instaist:to - ireess4 in, the,ultimate discassiwolo the r' 444 e NW iloo l tot .4 Way,stitteitin the 1411,.isttitAS . he , was. *early . to. assprne anal atf raison, tr,:traffie !was unjust:!und, inliturtan,, liecoulti • nor allow any one to.oppo* partial:and iiidividual interests twits Abolition, Let, the losses,,,there. fire, l'i she 4'etitiontre be ',What i they..mtight, he w9ul4 not penal! that circumstance , 1g .have a ny : weig ht in the' ticeision trUtlic Ilpuse. ,ty theluntlf "* ' ' in. w hips t hi s subje4 was treated by the , Nobly e Secretiry .91 .- -4 tale (Lord ti,i , ovxt.sktiltY); 14 -Bill . , on a mere suggestion. that the Session misht:pot 4dinit a full' 'd , ecision; Wei ittr:lae postponed !*:, .... !) ,,i,d,,,, and tittlj, to htt. , ,,,,i'lrett ttii, litl'il way ,the ~..,liiplot 3tecet,arY, 1144:;,,intimated ) that migliC . •.'gairt i.. iflirottsli the ensuing s9lloti untiesided. 44 :nennverleirces of inditidnals had been alluded' to, ' in aid of the arg uments for poet patting the , deraiir'n aiTthis late seat:es of Ile Session but if they;urg#d due . argument,' let 'their L;erdships leek to 114. 'Couttrymen on'elle Coast of 'Africa', by tLiA. encoiiraged to. proC'ied in .tlie, daily pr;:.tie,• el robbery and murder. Would they-con. template that Objeft, and alledge personal inconite". filetic - e'rtrbir of a 'proceeding that was to pat a stop to such criminal and disgraceful prafticea Looking at the subject in that point of view, he thought the House was bound in duty -to proceed in the discus. siuri of the Bill . ; and it heleg once stated that. the traffic was' iricensistent with justice and humanity, rio inferior motives should induce them to wave or delay .coming to a complete and absoltite decision on the case,:. and. if previous inquiry were. necessary, to institute itimmediately. .„,Lord WLSTMOkLAND, in contemplating the .present state:of this questioe, expressed great *vie. /Aaiun, ,as a Member of. that House, and great admi. rotion Item a general view of the Constitution. As is,Xter of the lteelen, he took pride in the considera aioft that the people at large, the Merchants ince. ,rested in the ,Slave Trade, anti the Colonist,' would See that, though nut eepresented in that House; yet. ,that their interests were, at much attended to as if they ‘'ere. In loeking at the constitution, ha could not but admire the wisdom:of our. Ancestors, who had divided the deliberative power -into two parts, and encompassed. each with such forms as necessarily fed' to . the .Coritclion of any !tidy And ill.advised Measure pasted 'in either HOuse. Adverting to the , immediate question, he thotight it. was in vain to etteer.'nenn eiubjea 'of such great import, and under eireumstencei, when it was manifest no de. tisiotr could .be c tn.e tn. Having pultued this whin of rooting in variont . points and views, he condi:Oaf bygiviitg Otis ticciiled support to the pro. position of the Noble Secretary. The ./31shois of Sr. itsAPlrdid not called on. to , enter into the merits of the general rpteseion; nor was he at' all disposed,at , present to indulge in panegyric on the. British Constitution. 'lf - the -question- was, whether. now, for the first time, the middle of July, and in t* fifth year %' of the nineteenth century, this' subject should be taken up, he might agree with the Nfible , -Lord who spoke last; but 'let the Il.luie recollea, tiset this subjed had frequently, within the last twelve or foutteen 'years, received grave and minote discus. don. When this circumstance was dOly considered, • much or what the Noble Lord had advanced would , ambuntto nothing.—As tn , what had 'been sail re. spelling evidence, could 'it be cohtentled that the tiouse i . as it at present stood,*. had received no evidence Did they went to icisow the situation of the inhabitants of •the , ,Slave Coast Did they want to know. the mercies of the Middle Passage Did they want. to learn the' Paradise to which that PAS. ,sage contirmed its unfortunate vidims With these matters the' liouseewas,' and hid king' been, well ac. quainted...He meant not,,however, to insinsatc.thet all the Planters treated their Slaves cruelly. . By no Means ; he knew that s,everal of them treated theln . . . . AYill4intineas • 'jut it was.tlll3 COliditloll of the Ne. grotq that iv,. wi,heii to rpmedy, that .9( 110hling every thing in life by the caprice, and ra4rey f in. dividualq, a conditiati that reduced men to tilt state•of brutes. Many* militefS treated their Slaves with kinkiness ara'compl*sion ; the state in which liter - Wm in w:ti neverthclrsot degrading, •and such as an equal nature' 'cou4l not einluri. When the chifii , :es'aeteited,w it those of injustice and inhuma. •• • 7 nay, no' considertiticin of individual loss, or iitivare ain, shotiid .interfere. with Its doe rrninition; He. meant , not • to. dory,• however; iIiAG • if indiviituals diati.heen,,,sar'swele urged fa adventure . in nefarious .ttatlit by titzLegislanste, that. they had some' right 10 ) intienvoityrwtion.,0mLegislature should entertain jl4t mot \and.antentl its laws: . Th4 . case, how. .cver,. ANlLllCettrwbCfOrel their right .took They .could have.:rttr. pr4terice ;0, nap the gorrs:Oion in its prump, :becitusc, eventually,. the . ir,intereq .might wicke.destllepuhlie that ever .was (always excepting the transcendent wickedness . • . . of the Vrench licpoblq, hr. iPeollt , that of .Atlkers. it had be en l a id dowwas a principl e , t h at nothing cOuld excuse , the infringement of justice,. In the present.. in.ttanc..,-.",,..j.ustise w. 19 not only infringed, hut every dia.tte of hymanity violated.; the evidence advocotes wasSollicientagainsi . thaTrlk ;'he wanted n o (Stiles . F sir. these and other reasons, a d. , voiced with' great force and iibirity„ the Learned 'relate was : (ne..,immediately, proceeding with the discussion . pf tbe. OM, , • . 4. , erd P. lll f aii dye, had once b e inclined , rtr pose the. Abolition ; 'subsequent arguments had in. (bleed him to think the measure rnivitt be expedient. At the present mon-wor t h; was, however, by no mean 3 decided on the subjeet, As thti views intimated by: the Learned Prelate, Went beyond the immediate 41iien,, and the question wad Of 'very great and lasting impottunce i ht rather inclined t o t hi n k i t bitter be deferred till . it could be fully in. '4astigatetiT 4t.the same time he wished to remove a tilontimprission, which a Noble Lord ( Gee N. Y I L.Lt) On the.other side se emed to have received. flis'Hon.'Frienti (Lord HA%A.,icebutoty) hati• given, no grOund t4 . ll;spose . the investigation to w hi c h h e alluded; , was ' trleitOr to vrott;ta 'the discussion, through the whole of the_next Session'. On the contrary, he had suggested that . the- ityptiry,.as to .evidence, might, With. a view , pro teed in both Houses at once; though. the. Bill could 'therefore' shOuld suppOrt the adjnOrn.. mane Or the question., , • The ' Bishop 01: ST. AS AP H said, that. he, had .13een.niuclimisCunceived' if ii was 'thOught he had r , arty view IQ farther COHtegtieneeth OW ' 1 . 1!e Abolition GA the .§lave TrAde.: He took the .opportunity of declaring, that,- in his opinion, that event 'would • j .ir!adtralry rodtice all' the amelioration in the state , tind condition of African Si4vcs,thar. wag . piadi ed ble, or iotleeti, desirable,. and, that lie . looked to no farther 'con4ciPtroces whatever.: Lord lI.IRROW BY .expressed his satisfaelion at the explani!tion given. by -the Right Rev. Prelate, with toped in the sub)cif:tinthediatefy belore the i(uust ; he doprecated a hasty decision, since t how evet friendly might be. his sentiments' towards the iiieastile, lie was decidedly of opini9n, that th e re was not now 'time to enter into that investigation ` Which the importance of the subjeft demanded, _Nor r . . . couki he conceive that a ny advatitagt 4iiuiri tic tiin. ed,by hearing a small part of the evidence or argu. tri„eilts which might be adduced in behalf of the Pe. 'titiOners against the "Bill, whenie was evident that the Session WOW cloie before they could obtain anv filial tesuir. For these , reasons he should cer. tainly vote for the proposed'delay. Earl ST. 'I I INCENT expressed 'himself also in faVour of delay. • To pass such a measure as the present - hastily, might,. he said, eventually lead to consequences equally dreadful with those which had taken place lb St. Domingo, and even to the extir. /mann of evert White in the West India Islands. The LORD.CHANCELLOR said, that a num. ber of reasons pressed upon his mind to induce him to - vbte for delaying the present measure till next Session". Here they wildly attempted to pass a Bill At the call• of humanity, as it was said, without-de. liberation, and without considering that humanity was also to be.exereised , on the other side of tile question; or to abolish , a Trade, without consider. ing what would he the most expedient mode•of ing it. If, as the'Prearnble of the Bill stated, .the Slave Trade was contrary to justice and humanity, it ought no longer to exist ; but it was evident that the other House of Parliament thought there was room for deliberation tespeCting that point, by allowing, in the Bill, the Trade to continue for *a.Certain time longer, however short that period. .When, however, they considered that Parliament had by several for. aster Ads supported this Trade, and encouraged per. sons to embark' in it, were . theY now to. say that those who had.embarked in it ,on the faith of that encouragement, .were to be refused the privilege of being heard at 'the. Bar of that House, in de. fence of their rights and interests ? Those persons had petitioned that .House ; and was it now to be sah4, that those Petitioners • were .not to be heard against a Bill which so deeply affected their pro. perry, and property which had been embarked on the faith of encouragement given by. Parliament, ? It had been said, that ..all the evidence „upon the subject was sufficiently known; all he could say was, he did not know of what that evidence con s i ste d, nor could,be undertake, during the short remainder of the Session, to read it su as to form any judgment upon tile ,suljeCt. In the -next Session, those who wished to carry the Abolition into died might bring the sullen forward at an early period, and, Evidence and Cotinsel might be heard, with a view' " either to originate a Bill in that Hause, Of to meet a Bill of a siMilar.description, whets serf from the other House. For the present he shouldcercainly warmly support the Motion of his Noble Friendfor delay. Earl STANttoPE explained. • •: • . The DUKE if cLAREKE expressed himself decidedly in favour the •IVl 7 nitn adverted pointetly to the' ill. istige mtemptiniin pass a Bill of this nature withatit hearing ai weir Bar,thoie who had petHoneti the Hanse..ofaiiisi.it; and tyllose property was so deeply aifeAe.ct by it... Proptrty,to the amount of one buudretP ntillititnxwas embarked in 'our West which re. turned annually eipliteen mt illion , . to this COutitry, producing to the revenue 'four millions; a year waS all this to be hazarded without deltbe. t ari:~n, hod without herring those who were strmaterially c6n: cerned ? He read the titles of two Attsfir ment pissed expressly .for ;ha encouragement of this Trade, which he considered as ao.additioiiii,. anti 4 very cogent reastm, wilt their Lordships should bear, with attention, those WhO . had thtts einbatke4 in a Trade on the faith of Parliament. He di.i floe consider as ail reason . ,-tor' their :no! now coming to a decision upon the subjed, that, as , had been stated, WM' of those N, ? hte 4. Lrolls , who• 'sty. ported the. AnolitiOn' t ve t e 'riot pieient, since-it was certainly the duty of every Peer.O.he in:his place. He had heard a' great triimbet Of tares of Cruelty exer. eised towards the staves by rhe,,Wt44L.ti,4 Plawers„ but he , wss;scriit4istted with in:inv Gentlemen of that description, of the highest respen'tbility, o hoot e did not believe capable of comatoting, .or ing, any such acts of cruelty, and wls on, it he•di.t, he idiouid be h omed to asS 'date with. ,He Coo. chided Ity, declaring his intention strenuru.ly to support the Motion of the Noble Secretary of State fur . p arpoiting the Bill. Question was then put, and the A.nendinent tarried without a division, by which tih: Bill is fur the Present Session. At Nine o'Clock, the I louse adjourned till to: morrow. • HOUSE OF com,i:Hivs. - , TUES•DAY, JULY 3. Tut Sr s Potekinfolmed, the .Hnuse that the Royal .! Aisent was notified, by Cmutnissi : m o in thelioute of 1...0rdi, to theCorit lotere , urse And to tie,' •veral Private Bills. The Irish . CtAktallai and .Excise Bill was read - a third time and patmid. An Account was presented 'from :Oil Chief Seere. tary fur Ireland,' of the particiiLlis of the Cont i v.n. satluns made,by the BormtgliC u mmi st i oners .—O r . tiered to lie on the Table. • Mr. H. W: Pot.l brought in the . Chatham, Lands 81ii..•--ReaLa first .time, and ordered to ts,:. read a second time to.morrpw. The Plail• approved of.by the Trustees for the Bri. tish Museum, for !reeling a Building to, cover the Troiiiiies brought from Egypt,. Was- laid . on the Table; Mr. Rose then adverting to some observationa of an Hon. Member' (Mc. SH r tt 6,0 r .. respelling. the accommodation which tf c Poi t iiti t ne t with at the British, Museiin, ttiok.uPot'l him ,to say, , that „tthe: Trustees had adopted a variety . of regniations,. by which every possible degrce , of sccommodation would 'be'affortled .to those who. were. desirOus of, v i s i t in g that, interesting Establishment. Ik was now pro.. vided that .75 persons, migitt , be admitted per day., three times a week, and that even those who ap., plied . inthe morning mi,. t hr be admitted in the course 414,%anic day,. Regulations werealSo adopted f l „admitting. private parties thret.times a week; , and _Qrdertli4dAikVvis.; been issued for .lit:* . e.kit Intl re l. .. gular access to the Reading-room,. jn ibprt, it wititidotppe4ti from the ;paper µ loch he should now take teliberty to move.fitr, that the Mosettm pro: niiiedlo.ftirnish the meaps,orbeing both uieful, strative, and adequate to the gratification of ;i Public curiosity. The . Right Hon; Gandetuat thcn ttlCYcdt that there be laid before the House, a Copy of the Re. gulations adopted by the Trustees fir admission 111 the Museum, and likewise to the Reading.toom. The Paper was immediately brought in, ordered to lie on .the Table, and to be printed. FOREIGN TROOPS. The SSCILETARY at WAR moved for the House going into a Committee on the Bill for enlisting Foreigners -resident in this Country, and forming them into Corps. Mr. FRANCIS earnestly wished to draw the most serious attention of the House to this - till,. which had ,for its first objea the introdueiion of a considerable number of Foreign Troops into this Country for its defence. He did not approve either of the principle of this Bill, or of the manner in which it originated; as to the principle of it, if those Corps were,, as the °tint Foreign Corps, raised principally for the purpose of serving the cause of the Empire in Foreign Expeditions, he could have no, objeelion; but, on the contrary, the Corps now to be raised was avowedly for the better defence. and security of the realm. There was nothing of which Parliament had formerly shewn a greater jealousy than of the introdunion of Foreign Troop"' into this, Country,-and he did not altogether liked); plan of trusting the Defence ind Security cf . the realm to them. The manner of bringing on this mea.-1` sure was different from what was the customary formi it was usual for theliouse to be informed, by a Mes. sage from His Majesty, of plans of such moment. This circumstance attested the attention of the House, and -measures so announced were then left to the full discussion of Parliament ; hut here it is merely stated in the Preamble of the Bill, t,ltal His Majesty had thought ik proiter to enlist those men, Without ever saying that it was Majesty,. by, and with the advice of .the Privy Councils The Estimates • were made fur Stoo, and now it ap... peered 'kit near to,ooo Were to' be raised in this manner. There was another,circuinstance of. this which he, thought ,A as tvorthy the most serious atten. 'lion. Those Foreign Corps would consist, in all pro. bability, chiefly of Roman Catholics, anti would also, in .all probability, he officered by Roman Ca., thulic Officers. It appeared to him that it was some. what extraordinary, chat Foreign. Roman Catholics should receiveCominissions frookflii Majesty, at the same time that the first Noblemen and CrentleMen of • this Cauntry, who offered their services fOr the• De. fence of the Country, have been refused. Cotorilig. shins on iccoUnt of being Catholics. He had heard that many 'British Troops had been lately sent over to India au t Ceylon he should wish that those Foreign .Tr.tnps should beAertt over there initead.of English. Foreign Regiments had already behaved themselves vet .) , well in India, and mighrtio go again ; he wish.. owierofe,- very mach` that the destination 031 1 . ' those Foteign . Forcei, so to be raised, should be changed, ykod, that they might rather serve the Coat!. try ;throat!, than be considered necessary. to &tea, it at home. • • • , . .'Tbi SE . CREttfRY at .W,AR saiti, that if a lon anti public n ot i ce hadbeen given - ?1 the intentipria3 Governinent in rhia'respeO, Ytance wouh 'hive liad . Alte means eountiratting the plan, as the principal part of.the Force now to be taked are •Itinovetioni silbj - et4 : of HisfYlajesty,.., As to their hying Roma :11c;, he did not: think tttat i valor, of vertu'. a ri t t et i' ll, m w 'm e' e n h iu t :;.t it i . k w e e ll ; i lr e e in to ol e. 74 l°Y :li A g r i e p i ! "- o L f:t f ill: Gotinstty. where they are iftlisted, mai tt c.innot expeetd hive their officer, a ili bt of a very stiffereno Religion i but it would by a quesOun of a very daft le ten t nal ure', he titer Catholics Were to be appointi ed - to. ;Inmand in a British Army .mit its Aeglinents.. • Catllit - iIUCCH/NSON- dieapploveii of dig vrinciitle trusting the aolet2ce and SeoutilY of the Cou:itry to Foreign Troops-: he thought it Wds A princi'vle'which ought never t o be adopted in *Count try, which, Ilk:this, .I)as trleJFts• and spitit . to itna it.e it. It was not ,possible to forget the mint ex aryie which they hut learned in History, of tut which were ruined by. trusting their defence tO foreigners. He disaPkiived ontnp!efely .of the mg* Ou,t,hl at the cath 9 lici oi our ; own Country Out* mil c itarysrank and . thought it would appear still harder When they saw foreign edtilUiiCS might at* Itain that rank from whine they were excluded. The Bill was "commftred, and the Report wttf then ordered to be taken int° consideration to.mot. row. • MISCELLANC9t4., A M f , sa ge from the Lards' informed the 'root that their .144rikhipi 11,111 agreed to the . Bill fur iteo golating she Linen Kinufaaure in Ireland, thc , scnieh A4ditional Drfence•Billohe Livrrpool Priot Sac 801, - and for olluiving Mr. Bolton £9 ricpori Machinery to Denmark .1, tr . ' the 0%31)1111)min! ,of 4 Mint. Mr. SerjeAnt. Bgsv gloved the further conii4ers, tion of the iteport of the 4ondonClergyßill. • Aid erman.Coms I moved, That it should 10 pchtune4 till thin day three months. After some observations, however, from the Al' ~roAr►ttr.GHlZL it. ' this Amendment was &Et iife.d without a •division. The Amendment, were then read a second time, and the Bill was °Meted to' be engrossed. CIVIL LIST. Mr. AtAXANOcitbrought up the Report of the Committee ut . Supply. • ;Air. JOHNSTONE said, he could 'nos *Cline ; Report containing Resolutions of such:importance as the vote in auginersciritidn.of the Civil l o ist, to ba recAved without sutne nbairvationsi. . He coincidc 3 generally in the sentiments which had beet yester' day delivered by atl'aol.Gertt'Mau BANIgt.)O to wlt9m"he thought the Hothe was much indebted tar •ilis able and tau inVestigation.ot the ailbjeo: it dii appear to Itit s that without - voting it 4 - mce a turn of 600;0001. to payA' the Debts ut the Civil List, theie were savings that might he made Oat,. wou;d, id a great degree, relieve the Civil List. 91 this Debt.. When be considered that there was 'no leit than 93;0001. annually given away from the Civil List,. in i.ensiona to perboils who had:not ten dered 'any particular service, -and' when it' was ro colletZ d, .that the Iriih Pensiurt gitabliqhment Wag •.also 105,9001. he tl u saving might be made out of thiar Fund, which would much relieve tilt civil List . 'He aiati thciu ht consitieratile saving' tAi4ltt be ms4c our of the • tikcastimut l'ayinento •