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" We, the undersigned West India merchants, after f( f vi ng the most serious and attentive considera tion to tlic et o f the the King in Council of the 2d of November , i 'll , 83 1, and to the correspondence of the Secretary of state "the 0! •• • . i'the ' '' - of the lr I , ',nips wtt i ,overnora N, aiid w.th other parties interested, as appears in the 74 1lers printed by order of the House of Commons on the of I) cember, 1831, and the 15th and 16th of March, 18 , are of opinion— ' That the said Order of the King in Council is unjust 1 4 (1 oppressive, inconsistent with the Parliamentary Reso "ions of 1823, and destructive of the rights of property. c s That the intention of his Majesty's Ministers to pro- Ne to Parliament to adopt fiscal regulations for the pur- P!Ae of coercing the Legislative Colonies is cruelly oppres ...e to the colonists, in the state of commercial distress to which they have been reduced, and is in itself a course of Policy time most deplorable, not only from its having been virtually abandoned by Parliament during the American Revolution, but because, in the present dangerous and ex- Cited state of the Colonies, it is calculated to produce no other effect than the ruin and destruction of the proper ty of the colonists, and ultimately the degradation and barbs. ism of the negrr." popUlation. " That all attempts to induce his Majesty's Ministers to nrsue a more safe and prudent course of policy in the go vernment of the Colonies having hitherto failed, it becomes our duty to protest against the sa'd Order of the King in Council, as regards the Crown Colonies, against the appli cation of fiscal regulations for the purpose of coercing the Legislativ e Colonies, and against the arbitrary interference with the rights of private property, without first providing a Parliamentary Fund for compensation; a course which has always been adopted with regard to property in this country whenever it has been interfered with for public Purposes; and, if the principles of justice are to be impar tially maintained, the same course ought to be adopted with regard to property in the West India Colonies, which his been acquired and is held under the same sanction of law that all property in this country is held. " We therefore throw the responsibility for all the con sequences of those proceedings upon the British Govern ment, and transmit this memorial to the Secretary of State fur the Colonies as evidence of our protest and claim of compensation for any loss, deteriora , ion, or destruction of property vested in the Colonies, under the sanction of the law, that has been or may be incurred in consequence of the measures pursued by his Majesty's Ministers. Colvile and Co. Manning and Anderdon W. Fraser, Alexander Neilson, Cavan, Brothers, and Co. and Co. Beckford and Rankin .:'homson, Hankey, and Co. Hawthorn and Shedden Hankey, Plummer, and Wilson Davison, Simpson, and Davison G. W. S. Hibbert and Co. William Morrice Davidsons ' Barkly, and Co. Brooke, Smith, and Co. W. R. and S. Wilson and Co. Alex. and Jas. Campbell and Co. John Deffell and Son Chauney and Lang John Henry Deffell and Co. Thos. and Wm. King Nelson, Adam, and Nelson Timperon and Dobinson narles and Win Armstrong T. R. Bartrum Hall, M`Garel, and Co. Archibald Paull W% Vaughan John Tunes rn ggin Whiteley, and Co. John Kingston Gordon& and Co. Ede, Bond, and Pearse A. Stewart and Westmorland Augustus E. Fuller and Co. Alfred Latham Thomas Daniel and Co. Alexander Grant Robert Wm. l'ulsford John Mackie and Co. Fullarton and M'Donald Cottam and Mortan Rainey, Bruce, and Co. Robert Shedden and Sons Moens and Dauncey Boddington and Davies Judah Cohen Thomas Todd and Co. S. Baker, Phillpotts, and Co. ASMoDEUS AT LARGE."—The public are tor the third introduced to this very amusing and communica tive devil in the present number of the New Monthly Magazine, and will recognize in his renewed flights the same alternations of gaiety and reflection, and the same spirit of free inquiry into passing topics, as before. His visit to the King's Theatre is full of point and purpose, and his hit at " Managerial Mo nomaniacs" will probably be relished by all but those immedi ately interested. Au Act to regulate the making of bread in Ireland, directs that all loaves shall be sold by weight, and shall be composed of nothing but flour of wheat, barley, rye, oats, buckwheat, Indian corn, peas, beans, rice, or other grain, or of potatoes, mixed with common salt, pure water, eggs, milk, yeast-barm, leaven, or potatoe-yeast. The Act does not extend to fancy bread, although we should think that these ingredients compose all the varieties at least of any wholesome fancy. A paper has just been laid before the House of Commons, containing an account of every increase and di minution of expenses in all the public offices, during the year 1831. The increase amounts to 87,389/. 19s. 6 and the de crease to 261,1714 16s. 5 thedifferenceofl73,7Bll.l6s.ll d. is the only saving to the public. The principal diminution has been made in the Naval Yards, the Customs, Excise, Ordnance, and Commissariat departments. The following are the returns of our effective land forces in the West Indies. The amount would seem sufficient to suppress any apprehension of the success of negro revolt : Alen. 962 Aermuda.. Windward and Leeward Islands 4,452 Jamaica, Bahamas, and Honduras Total 8,536 An A c t h as b een passe d to co ntinue in force the present Insolvent Debtors' Act in Ireland for another year. We regret that this opportunity was not taken to repeal that "trernely criminal clause in the Insolvent Act, which owed its origin to Lord Lindhurst. We allude to the clause which in. earcerates all debtors in the first instance, without distinction, and before the Court has pronounced thews either guilty or innocent, Tie new Bill might have repealed the unjust clause which snakes all debtors to retain the same amount of tools and aPParel, without any distinction of trades or difference in the number of a family. Some idea may be formed of the loss sus tained by the public from the inefficiency of Lord Eldon as a J udge, from a return laid before the House of Commons, of the state of business in the Vice-Chancery Court. Lord Eldon constituted this Court upon the ground of his being unable to get through the business of the Chancery Court. Under Lord Brougham, however, the Court of Chancery is adequate to all its business, and there are but 108 causes ready for hearing in the Vice-Chancery Court. This is about one twenty-fifth of the number in Lord Eldon's day. In consequence of the general complaint on the part of the public of the unbearable and unsecable size of our winter theatres, a project has been seriously entertained by the managers, either of Drury-lane or Covent-garden (perhaps both), for diminishing them, at least temporarily. We are told that Beazley and other architects have been consulted upon the subject, and they state that it is very practicable to lessen the area in a manner which will enable the proprietors on any great occasion, such a Royal visit, to re-enlarge the house with only a few hours' notice.—Observer. "To live With comfort, nay, almost to live at all in the world, men must accommodate their habits and modes of thinking to the changes which society necessarily under. goes. The same rule applies to public as to private life ; and as the Lords cannot hope to resist the changes which have pro duced a demand for Reform, or still less those which Reform itself will inevitably produce, it would be the part of prudence to do that willingly, and in time, which time, however unwil. lingly on their parts, will be sure to accomplish.—Morning Herald. Mr. Galt's new tale, " Stallley Buxton, or the School-fellows," seems to be, in some measure, founded on the story of the Countess of Macclesfield and Savage the poet. The hero of the novelist who has some time enjoyed a Peer's title, is suddenly dispossessed, and thrown on his wits for sub sistence; and the whole of his strange career is depicted with the startling resemblance to truth which peculiarly characte rises Mr. Gall's pen. _ Monday last died suddenly, at his residence, Sible Hedingham, George Fowke, Esq., Rear-Admiral of the Red. He attended divine service, both morning and evening, on Sunday, and retired to bed in apparently good health, but was taken ill about three o'clock in the morning, and was only heard by Mrs. Fowke to exclaim "Oh my back," and instantly expired. The cause is attributed by his medical attendant to an affection of the heart.--Essez Standard. A numerous body of thieves attended AIN Irving's sermon in Britannia-fields yesterday ; and at the close of the service, when the Reverend Gentleman and his friends were about to depart on their way home, they found them selves so completely hemmed in by the light-fingered gentry, that they could not move in any direction. Ultimately, how ever, they forced their way out of the field, and were followed by the mob of pickpockets as far as Islington-green, when the High -priest of the new doctrines, and some of his disciples, jumped into a hackney-coach and drove off. Mr. Irving gave notice on Sunday that he had been warned from the place where he was then preaching by the proprietor of the field, and that he should preach next Sunday in Islington-green. Many profane people think that nobody profits so much by the Rev. Gentleman's profane eloquence as the thieves. • HE YOUNG M OTHER ' S Kiss.—First in dignity is the kiss parental. This kiss is witnessed in its purest and most amiable state in young mothers,--matrons so little Bled from th e f ree ma i den bloom, that the stranger hesitates 'bluwshhiat class o f f em i nity to rank them. They have the rich to the ng grace of the virgin, and her coy timidity, most like serpentinearesses of a greyhound, insinuating by appr oac hes of a anticip at g r ace, yet ready to bound away, startled e v en by an aware f r "Ponse. But in the midst of this softness we are coneciou: g r nwing dignity—a statelier bearing—a prouder ing herald": and self-possession, not yet developed, but throw. tempted to ea rns before it. A being, such as we have at_ which no c desc ribe, bendi ng over h er first child with a love o intense, so reated be ing but herself can ever feel for another— itsPut cheeks, chi, e . go utterly devoid of selhshness--bathing which aeart:hoeannot surpass eye"' and brow, in a flood of kisses, is a picture and heaven scarcely equal. If, at inge 'of Zniutygt:.toofaelfdo'croes her devotion it is but a slight Ind attaches to the f of littleness graceful as , to lose every alloy ;,,,reb Magazine. ""B.—ltesa# WI Kissing.— rail s Edon- o. 1 2,348.) COURT CIRCULAR. The Duchess of Kent and the Princess Victoria walked for come time in Hyde Park yesterday. Lord Maitland and a deputation of gentlemen from Scot. laud had an interview with Viscount Althorp yesterday at the Treasury. Viscount Althorp, Lord John Russell, and Sir James Gra ham, visited Earl Grey yesterday. The Minister from Buenos Ayres transacted business yes terday at the Foreign-office. The Commander of the Forces and Sir James Graham had interviews yesterday with Viscount Goderich, at the Colonial. office. Earl Grey entertained a select party at dinner on Sunday evening, at his residence in Dowining-street. NEW STRAND THEATRE. On Wednesdays and Fridays during Lent Mr. Rayner is amusing very respectable audiences by appearing " At Home" in pieces written expressly for himself, and in one of which he appears in several characters. On Wednesday and last Friday evenings he went through two pieces, entitled The World as it Runs, and Ilumphrey's Amours. The former, a ill Mathews, was a trifle descriptive of a whimsical journey from York to London, during which several laughable incidents occur; in the latter he personates several characters. There were several other entertainments, two of which deserve especial notice; Master Frank Carberry, a boy about ten years of age, displayed very considerable precocious talent in a monopolylogue called Dis guises, and in which he enacted several characters much to the annoyance of an old gentleman who has just purchased a rural residence, which the youngster wished to dispossess him of, and in which he filially succeeds. A gentleman, an Englishman, we believe, but bearing the cognomen of Signor Benesontag, was most deservedly applauded as a ventriloquist and an imitator of birds and beasts. The whole of the entertainments were most favourably received. We observe by the Bills that the spirited manager, Mr. Rayner, intends taking his benefit next Thursday, and if there be any attraction in the names of Elton, Osbaldiston, Sam. Vale, Edwin and Williams, to say nothing of the fascinating performances of Mrs. Waylett and Miss Somer.. ville, Mr. 11. will have a bumper. UNIVERSITY INTELLIGENCE. CAMBRIDGE, APRIL 6.—The following summary of the members of this University is extracted from the Cambridge Calendar of the present year : Membs. of Senate. Membs. on Bds. Trinity College St. John's College Queen's College 9O 374 Caius College lO3 943 St. Peter's College Christ's College Emmanuel College lO4 214 Corpus Christi College Jesus College Catherine Hall Clare Hall Magdalene College Trinity Hall King's College Pembroke College Sidney College Downing College Commorantes in Villa ‘2 3 7 `.'ai9 It appears from the last Oxford Calendar that the total num ber in that University is 5,274 ; consequently Cambridge has a majority of ninety members. The increase in this University since last year is thirty-two. OXFORD, APRIL 7.—OR Thursday last the Hon. Thomas Manners Rous, of Balliol College, was admitted to the degree of Bachelor of Arts, Grand Compounder. ECCLESIASTICAL PREFERMENTS. The Rev. Joseph Burrows, 8.D., and Senior Fellow of Brase nose College, has been presented by the Principal and Fellows of that Society to the Rectory of Steeple Aston, in this county, void by the death of the Rev. James Armetriding. The Rev. Edward James has been presented by the Dean and Chapter of Winchester to the Vicarage of Alton, vacant by the death of the Itev. E. Poulter. The Rey. William Alleyn Evanson, M.A., has been insti tuted to the Vicarage of Blewbury, Berks, vacant by the ces sion of the Rev. Joseph Badely. . We hear that the Rev. Mr. Topham has notified to the Trustees of the Grammar School at Bromsgrove, his intention of resigning the Mastership of that foundation, at Midsummer next,—and that the Rev. I. Jacob has been nominated by T. H. Cookes, Esq., of Bently, as his successor.— Worcester Journal. THE NEW PEERS. TO THE EDITOR OF THE TIMES. Si e,—lt has been hinted lately by one of your correspondents, that certain highflying members of our Aristocracy have threat ened, in the event of a new infusion of plebeianism into their their body, to take an indignant leave of England, and transport themselves elsewhere. This magnanimous menace has, I own, reminded me of an occurrence I was once witness to at the theatre, when, on some slight outbreak of uproariousness among the gods of the gallery, a pompous gentleman of the pit rose indignantly from his seat, and looking angrily at the disturbers, exclaimed, " Silence, you rascals, or I'll leave the house:" I need hardly add, that the pompous gentleman was laughed at as he deserved. That the threat of self_expatriation to which I have alluded has already begun to be acted upon by some of our scions of nobility will appear from the following letter, which has fallen by chance into my hands, and which may not, perhaps, be thought unworthy of a place in your journal. I am, Sir, yours, &c. FROM THE HON. HENRY TO LADY EMMA Paris, March 30. You bid me explain, my dear angry Ma'amselle, How I came thus to bolt without saying farewell; And the truth is,—as truth you will have, my sweet railer, — There are two worthy persons I always feel loth To take leave of at starting,—my mistress and tailor, — As somehow one always has scenes with them both : The Snip in ill humour, the Syren in tears, She calling on Heaven, and he on th' attorney, — Till sometimes, in short, 'twixt his duns and his dears, A young gentleman risks being stopp'd on his journey. But, to come to the point :—though you think, I dare say, That 'tie debt or the cholera drives me away, 'Pon honour you're wrong ;—such a mere bagatelle As a pestilence nobody, nowadays, fears ; And the fact is, my love, I'm thus bolting, pell-well, To get out of the way of these torrid new Peers ; This deluge of coronets, frightful to think of, Which England is now, for her sins, on the brink of; — This coinage of nobles, coin'd, all of them, badly, And sure to bring Counts to a discount most sadly. Only think, to have Lords overrunning the nation, As plenty as frogs in a Dutch inundation ; No shelter from Barons, from Earls no protection, And tadpole young lords, too, in every direction, — Things created in haste, just to make a Court list of, Two legs and a coronet all they consist of The prospect's quite frightful, and what Sir George R—e (My particular friend says is perfectly true, That, so dire the alternative, nobody knows, 'Twixt the Peers and the pestilence, what he's to do; And Sir George even doubts,—could he choose his disorder, 'Twixt coffin and cornet, which he would order.* This being the case, why, I thought, my dear Emma, 'Twere best to fight shy of so curs'd a dilemma ; And though I confess myself somewhat a villain, To 've left idol mio, without an addio, Console your sweet heart, and, a week hence, from Milan I'll send you—some news of Bellini's last trio. N.B.—Have just pack'd up my travelling set-out, Things a tourist in Italy can't go without — Viz., a pair of gaols Bras, from old Houbigant's shop, Good for hands that the air of Mont Cenis may chap. Small presents for ladies,—and nothing so wheedles The creatures abroad as your golden-eyed needles. A neat pocket Horace, by which folks are cozen'd, To think one knows Latin when—one, perhaps, does'nt ; With some little book about heathen mythology, Just large enough to refresh one's theology ; Nothing on earth being half such a bore as Not knowing the difference 'twixt Virgins and Floras. Once more, lore, farewell; best regards to the girls, And mind you beware of damp feet and new Earls. HENRY * See this gentleman's late speech. ALARMING FIRE IN WINDSOR.— his our painful duty to record the ravages of a most disastrous fire which occurred at one o'clock on Saturday morning, in Thames_ street, Windsor. The fire was first discovered in the back part of the house occupied by Mr. Stevens, a carpenter, and is one of three small dwelling-houses situate nearly opposite the bank. It fortunately happened that at the time the fire was discovered, a musical party was just breaking up at the house of J. a Baverstock, Esq. In a short time crowds of people arrived at the spot, and the engines were immediately got into full play, and were skilfully directed, but notwithstanding all their exer tions several houses were burnt down. Mr. Stevens, who was first aroused by the noise of the flames, jumped out of bed in a state of nudity, and with the assistance of his neighbour, rescued his wife and three small children from the lames, or they must soon have perished, as the house was literally in a blaze imme. distely they had quitted it. We are sorry to ray that not a single Article w - Wil Witterege Eaprs's LONDON, TUESDAY EVENING, AMU, 10, 1832. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF COMMONS, APRIL 9. Mr. HODGES moved the third reading of the Graves nd Pier Bill. Mr. HUME suggested the adjournment of this ques tion until the surveys of the rive's, ordered by the kimi- ralty, be completed. After a few words from Sir R. Inglis, Mr. C. Calvert, Mr. Hodges, and several other Members, the third read. ing was postponed until to. morrow. Mr. HODGES presented a petition i❑ favour of that Bill from the magistrates, clergy, &c., of Gravesend and Milton, in the county of Kent ; also, two simil it petitions 'rum certain mechanics and artisans of the metropolis in favour of the Bill. Mr. IIACKINNON presented a petition from the Rector and Select Vestry of Sr. Marylebone parish, pray ing that if the present Cemetery Bill pass into a law, the Rector and Select Vestry may receive compensation for their loss of burial fees. On the motion of Sir THOMAS FREE\IANTLE, Colonel Clayton's Divorce Bill was read a third time. Mr. HUME presented a petition from the working classes of Edinburgh, against the Edinburgh Police Bill. He wished the Bill to be postponed until after the holydays, because a great many petitions were getting up against it in that town. An flow. MEmnEa said it was not intended to go into Committee on the Bill until after Easter. Lord STANLEY presented a petition from several owners and occupiers of coPieries, &c., against the Bolton, Bury, and Manchester Railway Bill, or to compel the Company - to alter their line of Railway, Referred to the Committee. . . _ Mr. HEYWOOD presented tl.ree similar petitions from individulls. Referred to the Committee. The same Hon. Member then presented a petition from certain freeholders, leaseholders, and inhabitants of Alan- cheater, in favour of the Birmingham and London Rail- way Bill. Lord MORPETH brought up the report of the Com mittee on the Hartlepool Pier Bib and amendments to the same, which were read. The NOBLE Loan also brought up the report of tl.e Hartlepool Railway Bill. Lord GRIMSTONE presented a petition of certain sub scriiiers to the Itiiningliatn and London Railway, praying that their nAes Tllight he erased from the list of subscri bers, -and that tiny might be heard by themselves or Counsel'against the Dill. • Mr. LAVES, from the . Bankruptcy Court, presented certain retiarns.whiciptad been ordered by the House, and which were ordered to be printed. Mr. SANDFORD presented a petition, numerously signed, from the inhalntants of Wellington, Somerset shire, against the ifigtosed system of national education in Ireland, and praying that the system of education should be founded on the whole Bible, and not on detached parts of it. The Hon. 5 •tilber said he could not support the complaints in the Ition, and observed that he thought ' marry of the petitio ers did not thoroughly understand the subject. He also presented a petition from certain fl ix spinners of Yeovil, against the Labour in Factories Bill. Also, two petitions, one from Chard, Somer setshire, which was against the Registry of Deeds Bill, and the other from Axbridge, Sometsetshire, also against that Bill. They were referred to the Committee on the Bill. He then presented a petition from a certain religious congregation at Ilminster for the abolition of sla very in the colonies. Mr. STRICKLAND presented a petition, which was of much importance, as showing a great sympathy of the English in favour of the Itish: it was from Liversedge, in the West Riding of Yolk, in favour of the Government system of education in Ireland, signed by 1,425 persons, and agreed to at a public meeting, which was so numerous that it was obliged to be adjourned to the open air. The Hon. Member thought that many of the objections made to the proposed plan were founded on mistake. Already upwards of 220 schools had been applied for, containing a much Luger number of pupils than had been educated in the Kildare-street society's schools after they had been established four years. He thought the proposed plan would tend much towards the tranquillity and happiness of Ireland. Captain GORDON said he would explain how this petition was got up. A meeting had been called by thirty clergymen, not for the discussion of affairs in ge neral, for the invitation was limited to the friends of scriptural education, but for the purpose of agreeing to an address to the throne. After the advertisement had been read, a number of persons broke up the meeting by violence and uproar, and held a meeting of their own, at which this petition was agreed to. He thought that he might infer that the opinion of well-informed persons was against the Government plan. Sir JOHN JOHNSTON supported the prayer of the petition. Mr. D. W. HARVEY was surprised to hear so many objections to the proposed plan, and so many complaints against Government for taking the paltry annual grant of 15,0001. a year from the Kildare-street Society, when he supposed that there was enough of Protestant virtue and Protestant liberality in Ireland to make up that sum, if they pleased, and so prevent the Kildare-street Society from perishing. It was not more than six mouths of the rents of a Bishop of Ireland, and therefore why complain of the Government when it was in their own power to per petuate their favourite Kildare-street Society ? for if they choose to keep up that establishment, it was not in the power of Government to support it. Mr. WYSE addressed the House in favour of the pro posed measure. The Deputy Usher of the Black Rod appeared on the floor, and summoned the House to the Bar of the House of Lords, to hear the Royal Assent given, by Commission, to several Bills. On the Speaker's return, be read a list of the Bills to which the Royal Assent had been given (for which see the Lords' Report). Sir R. INGLIS then resumed the discussion upon the petition, and spoke against the new plan of education.— As to the :ase: cation of the Hon. Member for Colchester (Me. Harvey), that 15,0001. could . soon be collected by the Protestants, he begged to observe that it was not a question of pound., shillings, and pence, but it concerned an excellent plan of education, to which his Majesty's Government had hitherto lent their countenance, but which they thought proper now to withdraw from it.— lie should shortly have occasion to present several peti tions from very populous places against the Government plan. Mr. J. JOHNSTON said a few words against the new plan of education. He had understood that the whole Bible, and not merely extracts from it, should be read ; be believed that the Kildare-street Society did not use the Scrir,ures by extracts merely. He was opposed to using extracts, but if they were to be used, let them be in their proper places.—Hear.) He knew that five or six Presbyteries of Scotland, and various populous towns, had determined to peti tion the House against this plan. Mr. JAMES GRATTAN spoke in favour of the Govern ment plan, and deprecated such a discussion as the present, on the presentation of a petition_ He was, however, confident that when the proposed plan was better understood, the Bible would be much better read than it had hitherto been among the poor of Ireland. There was nothing in the plan to prevent the whole Bible being read during certain periods of the day, but in school-hours select portions only were used. Mr. LEFROY was against the system proposed by the Right Hon. Secretary, and he was glad to say that he was not alone in that opinion, but thatsjse held it along with almost the whole Protestant population of Ireland. He might mention the petition which had been presented to the House from the United Synod of Ulster, a petition which he believed had passed unanimously. The objection that had been offered to the system, pursued by the Kildare street Society, viz. that the Bible was in some parts so obscene, that it ought not to be put into the hands of those who could not understand it, was well founded, because it was left to the discretion of the master what portions were suited to the advanced state of the pupil. Mr. SHAW had no wish to prolong the discussion upon this subject, but he wished to correct a few mistakes into which the Honorable Member for Colchester (Mr. D. W. Harvey) had fallen. He had said that there was only a sum of 15,0001. withdrawn from the Kildare street Society ; now the fact was, that the sum withdrawn was 25,0001. He (Mr. Shaw) did not complain of the withdrawal of that sum, for he considered that all such societies flourished more when left to private support; but what he complained of, and against whirls he must enter his protest, was that Government had not withdrawn the grant altogether, but had merely done so in order to set up another system, which, in his opinion, was not well founded. After a few words from Mr. Sheil, Mr. Strickland, Mr. Wyse and Mr. Gordon, Mr. ROBINSON said, he thought it would be impossible to get up any system of Education which would please the two great parties in Ireland. He thought the best plan would be, when the grant was before the House, either to withheld the grant altogether or divide it between both systems, according to their numbers, or some other plan of division. IRISH TITHE BILL. On its being moved that the House go into Committee on this Bill, Mr. RUTHVEN objected to the consideration of this im portant question being brought on at a time when the House was thinly attended. Mr. M. O'CONNELL thought that time ought to be given to the people of Ireland to form an opinion on the merits of the Bill. Lord ALTHORP thought that there was no necessity for postponing the discussion, as the Bill, or its principles, had al ready been amply discussed by the House. Mr. STANLEY said, that in order to meet the objections of those who opposed the Bill, as much as possible, Ministers had determined to take off' the restrictions as to the amount at which causes for the recovery of tithes might be brought into the Assistant Barristers' Court. He should move an amend ment in the Committee, allowing causes of any amount to be tried in the Court alluded to, and merely giving power to the Attorney-General to carry the causes into the Court of Chan cery if he saw fit grounds for so doing.—(Hear.) The House then went into a Committee. Mr. M. O'CONNELL and Mr. LEADER opposed the Bill. Mr. CRAMPTON said that by this Bill there would exist no species of civil arrest in execution, and that all prerogative rights were ceded by it. He denied that any costs of pro ceedings would fall on either landlord or tenant, but they would come out of the pockets of the clergyman. The clause, as amended, was then agreed to. Several other clauses were then put, and, after a few verbal amendments, agreed to, without opposition. On the clause, providing for the issue of the Proclamations calling for payment of the arrear of tithes, and announcing that in case of default proceedings would be instituted by the Crown within one month from the insertion of the Proclamation in the Dublin Gazette, being put— • Mr. RUTHVEN objected to the clause, on the ground that the Dublin Gazette had barely a circulation beyond the limits of the city of Dublin, and, therefore, such a Proclamation as that proposed would not give sufficient notice to the people. Mr. STANLEY said the object of the clause was merely to afford legal evidence of the Proclamation ; and that due care would be taken by the Government to make the Proclamation . . . sufficiently public. Mr. SIIEIL suggested that the clause should be varied, so as 1 . to insure notice being given to the provincial papers, or so that copies of the proclamation should be conspicuously posted throughout the parish. To this latter mode Mr. CRAMPTON agreed, and the clause, with this variation, was carried. Several other clauses were then put and agreed to. Mr. CRA M PTON had been induced to propose, as an amend ment to one of the clauses, that no costs should be due or pay- • able under this Bill, except as thereinbefore provided for. Or Mr. Sergeant LEFROY objected to this amendment. Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and th mittee divided, the numbers being— For the clause, as anwpded lds Against it l3 Majority in favour of Ministers —94 On our re-admission we found Mr. RUTIIVEN moving an amendment to the which he did not press ; and the preamble was, there ried without a division. The House then resumed, and the Chairman brought up the report, which was ordered to be taken into consideration I& morrow. The Nisi Prius Court (Dublin) was read a second tim and ordered to be read a third time to-morrow, and engrossed, NSOLVENT DEBTORS' COURT BILL IRELAND.) The House next resolved itself into a Committee on the In solvent Debtors' (Ireland) Court Bill.—Report ordered to be received to.morrow. The Steam Carriages. Bill was read a third time and passed. FRIENDLY SOCIETIES BILL. This Bill went through a Committee—the House then re sumed, and the report was ordered to be received to-morrow. REGISTRY OF DEEDS (IRELAND) BILL. On the motion that this Bill be read a second time, Mr. Serjeant LEFROY moved as an amendment that this Bill should be recommitted, in order that the claim of Mr. Moore to a salary of 1,5001 per annum as Registrar should be reconsi dered. He referred to the two Treasury minutes which were signed on the same day. Mr. HU ME inquired of the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether the proposition for an additional salary was consistent with the recommendation of the Finance Committee. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was not pre pared to say that 1,200/. per annum was not an adequate salary for the duties to be performed ; but as Mr. Moore accepted the office under the impression that he was to have 1,5001. per an num for the performance of certain duties, which by the Bill would be increased, and as he was appointed during good be haviour, he felt that the addition of3ool. to the 1,200/. could not be objected to. Mr. SHELL objected to the proposed increase. Mr. SPRING RICE explained, that the first minute of Treasury, appointing a salary of 1,5001., had not strictly and technically passed, but it had been sent by the Secretary to Mr. Moore by mistake. But it would be a very dangerous doctrine to maintain, that the public should be bound by such a mistake. Mr. Moore ought also to have come forward sooner. On the score of the minute, therefore, little or nothing was to be said; but the real ground before the House was, that there was in creased labour and increased duty. Formerly Mr. Moore might obtain leave of absence from thirty days to forty days, but under the present Bill he must attend actually and daily. Mr. SHELL—This is not so. Mr. SPRING RlCE—Then let the Bill be amen led—but it is so. There was also an increased responsibility, for he would be made responsible for every mistake, and the public would get full benefit for the increase of 300/. per annum. Mr. SHAW remarked, that the responsibility was very great; but he would maintain Mr. Moore's title to the increase as a strictly legal right. Mr. LAMB was opposed to the increase of the salary. Lord GRANVILLE SOMERSET said, when the determi nation of the Treasury, to which an Hon. Gentleman had re ferred, was come to, it was upon the fullest consideration. He should vote in favour of the proposition of the Treasury, and show that he had more confidence in his Majesty's Government than the Hon. Member himself.—(A laugh.) Mr. CRAMPTON spoke in favour of the higher salary.— (He was frequently interrupted by cries of question.) Mr. JEPHSON replied. The House then divided. For the Amendment Against it Majority 7 On our return to the gallery, Mr. HUME was on his legs proposing the recommittal of the Bill to a Select Committee. He was of opinion that the question whether 500!. was not a sufficient remuneration for the duties of the office which Mr. Moore would rill, should be fully investigated. After a few words from Mr. JeensoN and Mr. How►en, strangers were ordered to withdraw, and the House divided on Mr. HUME'S motion for a recommittal of the Bill to a Select Committee. For Mr. flume's Motion Against it Majority - Mr. KENYON moved for leave to bring in a Bill for the Relief of Agricultural Labourers.— Granted. The Norfolk Assizes Bill was read a first and second time. The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and the House adjourned at One o'clock. HOUSE OF LORDS, APRIL 9. Long before the usual hour for commencing the bus i ness in the House of Lords this evening, Parliament-street and the avenues leading to the House were crowded with an immense number of persons. The Gallery set apart for the accommodation of the Peeresses (and a very small place it is) was crammed with fair occupiers at an early hour in the forenoon. At about half-past four o'clock the Peers lie.;an to take their pl ices :—the Duke of Bucking ham, Earl Panmuir, Earl Hood, the Doke of Cumberland, Lord Tenterden, the Marquess of Sligo, the Marquess of Cleveland, the Duke of Gordon, the Duke of Queens berry, the Bishop of Bath and Wells, Lord Fingal, Lord Lynedoch, the Duke of Devonshire, and Lord King, were amongst the first who took their seats. Ram Muhun Roy was below the throne. _ _ At Five o'clock the. LORD CHANCELLOR, the Duke of RICHMOND, and the Earl of SHAFTESBURY, took their seats as Commissioners, when the Royal Assent was given to the Malt Drawback Bill, the Scotch Cholera Bill, the Con solidated F un d Bill, t h e I n d emn it y Bill, th e B e lf a st Railway Bill, and several private Bills. Immediately after the Royal assent had been given, the rush of Members of the Lower House to the space in front of th e throne was tremendous, and in an instant it was packed in every corner. The Duke of SUSSEX took his seat at a quarter past five, on a cross-bench in front of the Woolsack. Earl GREY entered the House at twenty-five minutes past five o'clock. The LORD CHANCELLOR immediately afterwards up. peared on the Woolsack, and several Bills were brought up from the House of Commons. The LORD CHANCELLOR presented ten . petitions, numerou s ly signed, in favour of the second reading ot the Reform Bill, from various parts of England and Scotland. His Lordship stated he had not read the whole of the petitions through, but he believed them all to he respec:- Judy worded, and such as ought to be presented to their Ludehipe. It was from no want of respect to the inti- (PRIcE 7 - 1) ) •ioners that he did not read them over, but he had every ,nfidenco that they were such as ought to be received. Lord ELDON made an observation, but in so low a tone as to be inaudible. _ . _ The LORD CHANCELLOR said, that no doubt the Noble and Learned Earl had a to require those who presented petitions to read them through, and having done all be could to save the time of the House, he would withdraw the petitions, that he might read theni over between this and to-morrow evening, for the purpose of being able to say precisely what they were. It was the first time that be had ever heard, in either House of Parliament, th imposed—(Cries of " No, no")—of over every word of every petition that was stinted to Parliament.—(Hear.) He was anxi have presented them to-night, because he thought sible that their Lordships might come to a division, it was not very likely, before they adjourned. Lord ELDON said he could assure the Noble an, Learned Lord the rule of the House was, that every Mem ber of the House presenting petitions should read them through. Instances had occurred in which petitions had been withdrawn from subsequent readings of them, in consequence of their not having been respect fully and properly wort:led, and because the Noble Lord presenting them had not read them through. Though, however, anxious to have the rule of the House adhered to, yet he was very desirous of saving the Noble a..d Learned Lord unnecessary trouble ; and therefore if the Noble and Learned Lord would permit hint, he would take the petitions home with him and read the whole of them over by to-morrow. The LORD CHANCELLOR could not think of im pozing such trouble on his Noble and Learned Friend. No doubt those who presented petitions undertook to say thoy believed the petitions to be respectably and properly worded. He believed the whole of the petitions he had ever presented to be so ; he could not say from his own knowledge that these were, hut he would take them home with him, assuring the House that he would be enabled by to-inoi row morning to say whether they were or not. He knew that scores and scores of petitions had been pre sented to both Houses without having been read all over. OPPOSITION REFORM BILL. The Duke of BUCKINGHAM.—My Lords, I hare to present a petition from --- against the Bill of Reform which hat been sent up to tia s Lordships' House from the Commons. he whole of this petition is framed in language sensililg;-that I am greatly tempted to read it to dui L'ordships, hut shall con tent myself with these few words :—" The petitioners do not presume to suggest what plan of representation would be safe, nor are they opposed to any which the altered situation of the country may require, but hope that none will be attempted which can tend to impair the safety of our existing institutions." In moving that this petition be laid upon the table I will take the op tei House, s o e f f r i n v n i gb being n g li o i t , i i c e a n t n o i sy y o s u t a r t e %,as b Lordships.here h by4ha;olemn and impressive tone in which the Duke sptlke, still as death.) My Lords, con tinued..tht Noble Duke, I rise to give your Lord ships notice, that it is my intention, in case it shall please your Lordships, as I sincerely hope and trust, and believe that it will be, to negative the second reading of the Bill for Reforming the representation of the people in the Commons House of Parliament—it is my intention, I say, in case - that should be the result of your Lordships' deliberation, to bring in a Bill immediately after the Easter recess to give the right of sending two members each to Par liament to large towns therein to be specified, which, from their commercial and trading situation, may ap pear to be entitled to be represented in Parlia ment, and which are not now represented, and also to consolidate certain of the boroughs, now sending Members to Parliament, so as to make room, without altering the numbers of the present House of Commons, for the Members proposed to be added as representatives of large towns as aforesaid ; and also to extend the right of voting in all boroughs to be represented in such a manner as, without depriving any person of a franchise who now possesses one, ray pre vent any individual from unduly influencing the election of Members of Parliament within the said borough. This is the notice I give, and that I may prove my sincerity to your Lordships, I request that it may be entered upon your Lordships' journals. The House remained in perfect silence dining the whole of this announcement, and only one or two faint cheers tell from the Duke of CUMBERLAND, and some other Peers of the Opposition. Lord GREY smiled, and the LORD CHAN cellor almost laughed outright, particularly when the Noble Duke spoke of the prevention of undue influence being exercised in elections. Lord WHARNCLIFFE presented a petition from the town of Kingston-upon-Hull, against the Reform Bill. The petitioners began by stating that they highly approved of the course which their Lordships had followed in the vote they had given last session on the Bill then introduced by his Majesty's Ministers. They stated also their full confidence in their Lord ships, that a similar decision would be given to that measure now under the consideration of the House, and hoped that, while some Reform was necessary, in any Bill which should hereafter be introduced, due respect might be paid to the integrity of the institutions of the country, the only safeguard of the empire. The Earl of WINCHILSEA was anxious to give the Learned and Noble Lord opposite, and another Noble Lord at the head of the department in Ireland, an op portunity of vindicating themselves front the charges which were made against them, respecting the case of Captain Graham, and he hoped that an early day would be appointed for that purpose. The Earl of WICKLOW s lid that in bringing the subject forward, he felt great satisfaction in think ing the Noble Lord at the head of the Irish Go vernment, would in a few days be, in all probability, in his place, and therefore he would give notice that, on Mon day next, he would bring the subject under their Lordships' consideration. Lord PLUNKET was anxious to give every oppor tunity of furnishing every explanation of his conduct in having exercised that most painful part of his duty— the not continuing an individual in the situ ition of of a magistrate ; but lie begged leave to state that his cha racter was not at all involved in it. Lord KING presented a petition from the parish of Clerkenwell, praying the House to reconsider their vote of last session, and to pass the present Reform Big. The Duke of RICHMOND presented a petition from Dalkeith, in favour of the Reform Bill. Lord DURHAM presented a petition from the Politi cal Union of Greenwich and Deptford, in favour of the Reform Bill. Lord GREY said the petition could not be received as that of the Political Union of Greenwich and Deptford, zits that was a body not recognised by the House. It could, therefore, only be received as the petition of the indivi duals who had signed it. Lord DURHAM said it should be received as the petition of the individual members of that body, whose rights as members of society the Bill would materially improve.— (G neral cries of "Read.") The petition was teen read. It set forth that a petition to the same purport had been presented to the House of Commons in 1793, by Mr. Charles Grey. In consequence of that petition not being attended to, and the corrupt state of the representation being persevered in, the capital, trade and manufactures of the country had been crippled, wages reduced, and labourers thrown out of employ. The labouring poor bad been driven to great distress, and the whole of the people of the United Kingdom reduced to one mass of discontent and angry feel ing, which could only be removed by the present Bill being passed into a law. The petitioners begged to call the attention of the House to the peril in which it would place itself, if they again rejected the united wish of the monarch and the people. They trusted their Lordships would not withhold from the people those rights which a long series of political changes rendered necessary. The petitioners prayed that the House of Lords would pass the whole Bill ; for if not, they would produce a frightful disorganization and revolution throughout the country. Lord DURHAM moved that the petition do lie on lie table. The Marquess of CLEVELAND said, that there was t one word in that petition which he did not think erfectly proper, and in which he did not agree. A cry of " Divide" on the question of receiving the etition was raised on the Opposition benches, awl was .43' JJ 7.7 1 net with laughter from the Ministerial side of the House.: ; THE REFORM BILL. Earl GREY rose an I spoke as follows :—My Lords, .everal petitions have been presented to-night, in favour ,f, and adverse to, the Reform Bill. It is now my duty to propose to your Lordships the second reading of the Bill, ellich the other House have sent up, for a Reform in the representation of the people. To a Bill of this important n aure, a Bill relating to so many great interests, and .vhich has been passed by the Commons of England by a great and decisive majority, and supported by an equal 'majority by the people at large, it cannot be necessary for .ne to say that to such a Bill your Lordships are bound •() pay ia the most serious attention. My Lords, the subject to which this Bill relates is of the greatest im portance. It is a Bill to effect a change in the constitution of Parliament by altering the mode by which Members are returned to represent the people. It comes before you enpported by a great majority of that House, and I repeat it, by an equally great and decisive majority of the people.—( Hear.) I feel that in proposing to your Lordships the consideration of this measure, 1 'aken on -- If a duty to which I can bring its to its importance.—(Hear, owever, that I have on this occasion a in, which, I trust, will enable me to In the first pace, I do not think it to your Lordships that this Bill assent is called by public opinion. ery to chow that the principle of this Bill is one entitled to your Lordships' adoption, because even by those most adverse to Reform, the necessity of some Reform has been at length acknow ledged.—(Cheers.) Even this night we have had two petitions presented to your Lordships; the one purporting to be directly against the Bill, the other thanking your Loraehips fur your conduct with reference to the 'act Bill ; but both most distinctly stating the opinions of the Petitioners, that some Reform in the reprerenta,- tion was at length requisite. In confirmation of this opinion, the Noble Duke who presented the first petition aas given a notice to yonr Lordehipe, of his intention to propose a Bill, which is to be founded on the principle hitherto pronounced, not the principle of Reform, but of revolution.—(Cheers.) On the principle of enfranchise , ment, disfranchisement, and an extension of the repre sentation. The Duke of BUCKINGHAM rose amidst the greatest disapprobation of the House. His Grace said it would save the time of the House if he now stated that the Noble End was misrepresenting what he had said. He (his Grace) had been particularly guarded against using any words that could be construed into a question of disfrattchiete ment. His object was to take the franchise front nobody , Earl GREY—My Lords, it would be premature in me to enter into any discussion, but even faun the explana tion of the embryo Bill given by the Noble Duke, I do not take the description I gave of it to be incor rect. If I recollect what the Noble Duke said, it was that be meant to give the franchise, that is to say, the right ef electing and returning Members, to certain great, opulent, and important towns. That, my Lords, is what I call enfranchisement. Next I un derstood the Noble Duke to say, that in older to make way for these new members, without altering the number of representation in the Commons, he certainly meant to consolidate and unite cer tain boroughs which now separately possess the right to return Members to Parliament. If the Nobie Duke took from boroughs, each possessing a right tc return Members, that right, and gave them only a portion of the right, by a general sort of subscription, that, my Lords, I ray, is certainly disfranchisement.— (Loud cheers.) As to the third proposition. I do not think that the Noble Duke has disputed it. He stated, and doses not retract what he said, that he mean!: to extend the: right of voting. He, therefore, means to present to your: Lordships a Bill, and I b-g your Lordships to mark this distinctly-.—a Bill founded, 1 repeat, and I repeat it not without attention to his Grace's interruption and most unsatisfactory ex planation—a Bill, indeed, founded on oisfranclaisee went, enfranchisement, and extension of franchise.— (Loud cheers.) The Noble Duke, therefore, has clearly the design of presenting a Bill, founded on show three great principles, and those alone which the Noble Duke and his friends had often told their Lordships were not the prin ciples of Reform, but of revolution. My Lords, then I say I am relieved from the necessity of asserting any thing in order to recommend to your Lordships the adoption of the principles of this Bill. The principle of the Bill is enfranchisement, and here I think I might stop and beg your Lordships to give your sanction to a measure the principle of which is now acknow ledged by those who are moat opposed to it. My Lords, 1 am therefore relieved from the necessity of taking up much of your Lordships' time in discussing those admissions. The soundness of the principle is ge nerally, and all but universally, conceded, and even the embryo Bill of the Noble Duke is not an exception.— (Hear, hear.) Nor am I quite sure there is any exception, for although the Noble Duke (Wellington) stated on a late occasion that he retained all his opinions on the subject of stated tuoia e (pi Reform, tmd r ihmf I h:teaoh , t nauws y stlo, e ii n ittl t ;be t efic h eino et find but ft question i obei i n n erutmd p ta r kt e wfeh s enan s was i ot o win n nnto: o ctsr n ßheet .oie n s.owf : oid y rhrayn ao m noadnn i wi n edia d if .;:ldetx i c e sihjEr e po , cei srndN t ea l i rn s eusy a ntvb t :ilf.teo r h , t o e hDteihß a nun l ikug s n o et:i l in putting an interdict on the minds and voices of the united mass of the nation, calling aloud for a Reform in the state of the representation, and the n storation of their constitutional rights.—(Hear, hear, hear, from the Mi nisterial side.) The principle, then, being admitted, the necessity and expediency are also conceded. That neces sity and expediency arises from the general and declared sense of the public, that the most glaring abuses prevail in the present system, and that a Reform must take place. That such is the public feeling is admitted by all tho.e who wish to qualify or excuse their opposition to the pre sent Bill, for they rest their conviction that some conces sion ought to be made upon the general and almost univer sal impression on the minds of the great mans of the na tion, that Reform is necessary ; and, on that ground, they, at last, allow that the consideration of some measure of Reform ought no longer to be excluded from Parliament. —(Hear, hear.) I am, therefore, now relieved from the necessity of entering upon any lengthened discussion on these points. Even if this bad not been the case, I should have been, in a great measure, relieved from now entering upon a general discussion of the views and motives of those who have proposed this measure, by the discussions which have annady taken place on the subject. For it is impos sible for me now to add one argument to those which have already been repeatedly employed by myself, and which have been much more ablyenforced by others. In proceed ing, my Lords, with my task, I find that diminished by those admissions which release me from the necessity of expatiating on the general principles of the Bill. I shall, therefore assume, my Lords, that the principles of this Bill are in a great degree admitted, and I shall proceed to examine, and state as shortly as I can, the nature of this Bill. The Bill, then, my Lords, to which I now desire the assent of your Lordships to the second reading, is founded upon the same principles, being of the same nature and containing similar provisions to that which was introduced to you the last session. —(Hear, hear.) My Lords, I certainly understand what that acclamation means, and I think I shall be able te show clearly to your Lordships that there is nothing in the statement of this Bill being founded on the same principles, and possessing the same features and provisions as the Bill of last year, that ought to induce your Lordship to withhold your assent from this Bill. I say, my Lords, it is similar, and founded upon the sime principles.—(Hear, hear.) I have heard nothing, my Lords, but a general descriptions of the Bill proposed by the Noble Duke, but from what I have learned I must say thot it will be founded on the same principles as this Biil hear.) Those principles, my Lords, are disfranchisement of decayed boroughs, enfranchisement o: great and populous towns, and a considerable extension of the right ef voting. Upon the same principles, and with the alterations that have been stated, this measure is to be again recommended to your Lordships—a Bill with this disfranchisement, en franchisement, and the extension of the right of voting— ( Hear, hear. )—and this is what the Noble Duke called not Reform but revolution. It is enfranchise ment—it is disfranchisement—it is an extension of the right of voting, therefore it is not Reform but revo lution.—(Loud cries of " Hear, hear.") By what process of reasoning the Noble Duke arrived at this conclusion, or to what is his notion of Reform, as contradis tinguished to revolution, I kaow not, but I certainly can not conceive that the adoption of these princinciples does of itself entitle the measure which is founded upon them hwchhan the is not revolutionary. _(Hear, bear, hear.) This change is to the character of being revolutionary .— ( Hear, hear.) My Lords, a Reform in Parliament undoubtedly sup pests a great change in the constitution of Parliament — hat is, in the practical constitution of Parliament as it now exists --(Hear, hear.) A R eform of Parliament p necessarily e r s c u t/I °6 c e nt ed a c i h n an t h g e e to be Gent! by the acknowledged eutilorities. and lie acknowledged p rinci p les of the Constitution :it re to be effected b y in Act of Patliatnent p aeseel oitnherthHe oints:ed: in t all change 44,,t, " " at ." hive taken on myself be ext- powers , equal reading h ear , hoc as pre- - • ' - IOL cious to. IP it pos 7 r , t l'; .: . ~, ~.: .44, • prove thou : l'.l'a [4- 1.. , , dell your ' ft I t t,..antio ' t be necessar