The Sun. — London, England, 1814-11-10 00:00:00

(o' de • t sv g ' 11, , es r o : soro ca t 11 see c' o f s'IJ 6 . 0 01 Idc dCn t. g bOt it es' 'S hest '7 of s el l , ' ' # re ( ' t ‘ H r SC' [ ll C c!'" a 4 P l , l" f el v el' : r e ,1 0 c" '1 , 1, 4" e • 0 1 r tr o d 0 1 11) ret 1),1 NA VAL NEWS. ..vpb • • Jti. i ,"' Nov. 9.--came i n the Norwegian timber, deals r°videntia, front Draham, with itit o tia.n.4.ircn, bound to Plymouth ; in coming Ibi s ar'is harbour, she lost her bowsprit. By 0I rival tti e(l tats we lea rn that Norway is still in an N I , ' %ip 11., ln, Nov. 9.-Arrived his Majesty's /it, 11-g"ove, front Jamaica, in 40 days, , Pato,. with 4 P tqc \ 8 ; his. Majesty's ship Prometheus, from 4) .. •. • d I I .1) Al4"Cliarld, last front Lisbon ; his Majesty's :t ' 't ;ettlider, frotti the Downs, and joined the H i st 4 t h e „_ ' tielea's Roads, for Spain, Portugal, C,liie Nctliterranean, where they still remain. l ir 4.4° harbour his Majesty's ship Ty"e'-- iq v ~.. 1' ' N. W . qii o I tt p :441, Nov. 7 . -Arrived the Prince Er ilk4ac'ct, with a mail from Lisbon, in 15 days ; &fec‘v coasters. Sailed a few ships for Lou rt,4`ind IV. N. W. 1‘ itc.47. °z*t, Nov 9 His Majesty's ships Swift , 4, 4 4( ~ • •-- t ki't Drakard, and Redwing, with the I ) , ' likl' a A w l - convoy, remain wind-bound.-Wind Pt ' k litth u , -NI li 11, Nov. 8.- Came in th e J ean , l i . , ' ll 4 ''toto L'Orietit ; and his Majesty's ships ll'. ttl q ' 4 dlk, 4rid Co nstant, from the Westward.- b t "' i l l . • 11 • O. h um g•--Arrived the Grand schooner, tyli (1 1 the South Seas, last from rid petitti t, i ltl e down from the River several sail i k od i , , go,, atrien, and several others are now I L, 6 t n. Cr'tiq„ The Hope, ISARTLETT, from Lisbon $ 44 w . - li)t ith w ° ol , ran on shore on the Rock, )4 1 '''' Scilly, on Saturd a last. Ca r go saved, y Q tt* ' , ..,V. i, 41 / 4 5,, l ied S. XV. t. ~.. ki, 4ll t :p: 431" v• 9,--Several ships }rave put kl 1,. ler for shelte r ; among them are the ) 4 " s Port • l li, k1 ;: . 1l pa . ch • et : ofßpr,ooitanuta, of Sunderland ; 4, v. /e, and several others.-.. It ' - r, l , N i!. r if i04. 7 .E Tioe last week bid a large ar 1, ...stels, , . 4 (la , fro the Baltic, most of will& i'ery , • b quick passa.e. i,1•kt, 1,, ----_„„___'____ 0. kt „ f ~ i, 4 9, 1814 a Letter front Bourdeartx., dated kl t•i sl Yttin -' ; The vessels: under convoy tat pi!",h, arrived yesterday, and "me to Ntri(e:lldac• The re )ort of the arrival of ..........s._ " 4 s hips of war ' is contradicted." T.,i, -t' lIIDT;LES, A t 7 1,,Rc 0 , I , - -...N ',PI G RAM. Not,„. t-gniari . ------- t %Ile , "ce, h earing old S-1-m-n play, t . Ra e 01,44, I, 0.. k i ,'ne, b y st. rile 1 , d,?wn a weel say: . Nr j% % h grip ei . 'lrl dre4 ! shake hands wi me, pray; kt: k* ,, L oi..:,, ijel 3 n'Y friendship insures." it 1" ht4 t R , ..) Welds, witlidrrwin g his hand, • -4kat 17('`Ite y4t, par t - good fri e nd, understand. k 4, or my P. r er- ial to yours. I" ttt u MAYOR'S DAY. icitilat, otl•' "Iorois"----"'"'.---' - e Let, ~,,, the " Alderman BIRCH, the Lord 14ttle(11.(ler 14 te Lord Mayor, the Aker .: lit'qtt, 4e riffs, Chamberlain, and miter t u ' • l to4„'lttart rPoration, assembled at Guild -4 liiitetor aft er 12, they went i n pro liiii ,\lZ'titith, tlars-bridge, where the barges Fk,tht,,, t st g s '''. t° receive them. As the pr 0,141, ,1 4 1, '11 10 ' It `vas s.. r- . i ta.. `Ol '4 V 'le Y walk .' l ng landed at Palace-yard L 4 II ta * he ed in P r ocession to the Court-of 4%1 f ar te tile new Lord Mayor, accord. t,o,,,,tifhis in. was sworn into the due per tietrtttis (44 e, and the late Lord Mayor to Itch f ., ) ,1 f his accounts. After an int y ei,„ ' I the Bench upon the impor tYtqtA. thi, . real arid ditties of Chief Ma he liart eat Metropolis, and a suitable k, t,t,'llet ," th e Corporaion they made ~ ~,,,,,,,,t,,„,„,,4. withdrew The present and ty , , i, ) ,,„ ..._• , . • \cif \i t eet , "van the Sheriffs, and a few t i , throw!ite S. then went to -the other great if. (')1) `•. fulfill! 3141ges, and hall, paid to din ,t,i t,,,,, au . ~, ;4ltd 'CI 4 , ) , 4 +)ey then returned by water. 1 1 -1 , ,, 1 it tli‘e ic/ket)t.hey returned to Guildhall, .I,'lL,i(l44trtiii: (iiill)leilrArniolir, The great Hall gi " , ti It ,• lh e . and The in the • II . wi all t , Co uncil Chamber being under k g tii i • 4, "'ere co o • i 2 ' 0%, t kriti it,,, ii. r urea, %ru n a temporary I ' ,. ( li b , Y ill u , • the Court of king's Bench t'' l l 3 ' e iritt :1114ated• Covering the great L q ll, ll t ,ti 4 :r elit ~.: ;n os , k ' e ! i ntifal and extremely ',41 1 ,,',1),t 0z. t sitie/; _eP.re.!nting Britannia, with 't i rit, l ‘e• tee ~ ufl Commerce on the other, r 'lli t e. (l . lv . i t ,','' . e i l , ' , 11 , 1 , t , h . e - , fore ground, and Ti•ade liN r ,"l the ("t- back. The tables were to t o ~ focatest taste; and to prevent li t ofe, Het° t) tl , l lt ., ‘ery mpany 10 taking their seats,' ~i,i, X• kis , erson invited ) expected to kilitl" Pi g 'i rit t „ n _ . , an( _ , I t , e qf e. 4, on a Piece of paper and 1 4,,0tti, t er six ', company sat down to din ;k4tlitt;s.l'l), _1(.,),,e.11°,,c1: ; and the dessert was q „, in,l, slf ktayor being a widower, tt e,,„'N . (.`;tv., M r , I, - • - 1 . 4'. l'tt i , 3 .lie 1 ,, 1s • 3lecn, presided as , 1 / 4t ),;, , ,iiii t ili e fat:, )lost splendidly dressed, Lk . 4' 1 4, Y cum 't,'...ites of the evening with ,ttillki,,,t)l,le.t;acsilatkee• At nine o'clock the 1 4)s 114,4 4aYoress, retired to the - p e ' rt re ,,, J which was appropriated 41,1 t suo s •' Inlents. The company ex ' 61.„'Ittio„, .to til aiT.--.............................. Vlii t olikily 4,11.411c'e in high life has, it is !;, 4 th t t I \ - , lt i,t'sted ; the presumptive heir tp, tile4t },nl.lt will he united, in a . short 'ti, i qt e ( lai l ,ri B.l ter of the Marquis of t h th '4 x. rt ti 4 I.4ll'rtt 1 / 4( 1 it .ulay. ,est _arrived in town from '444,4 ti , l he Duchess and family uree Weeks. CONGRESS AT. VIENNA. VIENNA, OCT. 16.—The Preparatory Commis.. sion is unemployed, and probably cannot be oc cupied at present, except with! the organization of the Congress; in order to give time to the Great Powers to surmount the obstacles whidb every day increase as to the future destiny of Poland and Saxony. Those br e the most difficult points to be arranged. Italy is, in comparison, only a secondary object, and its fate will be decided as soon as that of the two former countries is deter mined. As far as appears, the Emperor of Russia wishes to incorporate the whole of Poland with his do minions. It is no longer intended (and I believe it never entered into :be -head of the Emperor Alexander), to make Poland an independent kingdom ; but perhaps a Russian province, with the title of Kingdom, and governed by a Vice roy, like Hungary, Bohemia, the Kingdom of Italy, &c. To put this plan into execution, Prussia must cede her pretensions on the Duchy of Warsaw. She will cede them in consideration of the com plete acquisition, which Russia is ready to sanction,. of the whole 'Electorate of Saxony, besides the Duchy of Cleves, and other territories on the banks of the Rhine. This Plan, which was at least projected, if not determined, at the time of signing the Peace of Paris, and the exe cution of which was at .that time easy, is now strongly opposed by France. Her Plenipoten tiary has become the decided champion of the conservation of the Throne of Saxony, and the declared Opposer of what he calls the colossal ag grandisement of Russia. To indemnity this Power for the sacrifices she has made, M. Talleyrand says, that it will be safficient to extend her fron tier to the Vistula; and Mat cue remainder, of the Duchy of Warsaw, , joined - to' the other countries. in Germany which will be given to Prussia, will augment her population, and fulfil the - engage- - meta which has beets made to carry her population to ten millions of inhabitants. • Tne Plenipotentiaries of Russia and Prussia have endeavoured to overthrow the opposition of M: Talleyrand, by repeati ng , t h at F rance had, n.. gaged by a secret article of the Treaty of Paris : to consent to-all the divisions which the Allies;sliould think proper to make of the countries that were occupied by their troops ! • M. Taneyritud, ac knowledging the existence of this article, denies that Russia and Prussia hake a right to consider themselves as the only Allied Powers who signed the Treaty ; that it c annot he even und erstoo d * o f the four Great Powers, but of all the .Allies who made war against France; and that it. is to the decision of them all, or rather of the Congress, that the article obli4esFi'alice to : conform herself. The arguments of the French.. Plenipotentiary have persuaded _the Amhassad,irs of the great Pow ers, even that of Prussia, of the naes.ity of ad dressieg the Emperor Alexander to ahaittlub the plan of incorporating Voiand _with his Empire ; because in removing that obstacle, every other point \vill be easily arranged. In consequence, the Plenipotentiaries of France, England, Aus tria, and even I'rttsssia, have addressed themselves (souse say, together—others, separately, as is j more probable) 'to his Imperial Majesty, in order to induce him to relinquish his determination of incorporating Poland with the Russian Empire. The effect which these measures produce on the Russian Monarch will he judged from the progreas of the Preparatory COMIDISSAM. If it remains unemployed, it may be concluded that his lin perial Majesty continues infiexiule, and that the epoch of the Congress is retarded, or, perhaps,. will not take pl ace . Tons the first matter with which it will be oc cupied will he the Duchy of Warsaw. As soon as the great Powers have agreed among themselves as to what should be done on this point, then 2dly. Sax uy, and-the 04 er - territories of Germany. Thefedral organisation of Germany. Tu fix the Jun its of lielgitkin. sthly. The division of Italy. tithly• The pretensinusof Spain to the Duchies of - Parma and Placentia. 7thly. The restitution of .Qlivenza, which is demanded by 4 1 0etugal. silly. The organization'of Switzerland. 9thly. The Slave Trade. Besides the Preparatory .Commission, there will be another, charged exclusively with the federal organization of Germany. The bases of this federation, as far as it ap pears, are, .the formation of a permanent Direc tory, of which the great - Powers of Germany will be members. 'this Directory will replace the dignity which is abolished, of Chief of the Ger man Linpire, or Emperor of Germany. Ger Many will be distriboted into circles, in which Diets will be established, charged with regulating taxes, and with exercising a part of the legislative power. The Constitution which is about to be given to Germany will bind all its members by a federal compact, will fix the contingent which each shall furnish, &c. so that all which the French Government has suffered to remain of the ancient Constitution will soon disappear, We understand there was an error in the para graph respecting the loss by the Recorder's Clerk, of notes to the amount of 400/. as to their being taken out of his desk, and as to the amount. — The notes were only mislaid, and were found within two hours after being first missed. The public should recollect that if they adhere to the practice of demanding Tickets from the. Hackney-coachmen wenever they ride in their maches, they always have the-means of easily re covering parcels and other property :kat may be accidentally left in them, an advantag e not to be overlooked, as well as tending to prevent depre- i dation& upon Ladies and unsespecting travellers. A few weeks since, a Rose-Noble of EDWARD 111. in a very high state of preservation, was turned up by the plough, in a field at Wilming ton, Sussex, belonging to Mr. KING. The above ancient coin, which is DOW' in the posses sion of Mr. PUTLAND, jun. is the second of its kind that has been recently ploughed up in that neighbourhood. OtTTNAGS IN IRELAND. (7'iaaa Me Mr:wick Herald, Nev. 5,1 . - On the evening of. Tnesday, the first of this month, was committed ant of the most audacious robberies' that we remember. Immediately after Robert Piendergast, hsq. of Greentnount, and i his . family had dined, and as the servants were going to dinner, the house was siirrounded by a gang. of plunderers, of whom six entered, and bursting in upon the servants, hustled the whole ,groupe of domesticS into the dining parlour with their master and mistress, and their children, and Mrs. Heffernan, (Mrs. Prendeegast's sister,) who is there on a visit. They placed 'a guard on .the door, and the rest went back to the, kitchen, where they regaled themselves on the servants' dinner, taking care to relieve the sentries above stairs, and give them also their share of the refresh ment. The whole body then re-entered thepariour, and one of them puttinga pistol to Mr.Prendergast's head, demanded his keys and property, promis ing, if he would give them up fairly, that they would not injure any one. Mr. Prendergast ac cordingly ,gave them his keys, and the. villains continued ransacking-every part of the house for above five hours, not departing until nearly one o'clock on I Vednesday morning. The articles of which they stripped the house and family are i pretty correctly, th oug h not at alt at large, spe cified in an Advertisment. Many of the jewels were very valu a bl e , an d a great quantityrof weal ing apparel of every possible description was taken by,those. raseali—shirts, and shifts, and shawls, and coats, and gowns, and cravats—every thing , moveable and wearable that they could 'convey away. The whole property lost . cannot well he estimated at 'much short of a Thousand Pounds. lilt the villains were •only rapacious —they of fered no further manner of violence, in word or act, than what we have mentioned. On rtuntnag. ing the drawers, they verydeliberately rejected se veral bank receipts of Mr. Prendergast, but took the Government Debehturesand Bank Notes ; and, upon guess, took also some documents of Govern ment Stock. One of them, left in guard of the family below, while the ransack-Was snaking, in dulged his taste for music, and trying a couple of flutes, an one of which he played - a tune or two, not •at all-in the style of a vulgar musician, he gave the preference to that which had four silver keys to it, - Complaining of being fatigued at going away, and wishing for some liquor., they, at the same time, declined doing any mischief iu ' the cellar, (for they all along desired the family not to be, alarmed, that they meant them no injury), and were Satisfied with a glass of good old whis- j key. Three only of them were disguised, and the others took not the slightest pains at conceal , l ment. The memory' of Brennan's gang is pretty re-. cent : and. many are living who remember Freney's, This petty system of robbery, therefore, which is not unknown to all periods and distriCts, should not .be suffered to mix with- any consideration of those more public and diabolical outrages that at present appear to. be subsiding. But the time end the manner of the attack ; the number of the ban ditti, and the discipline of the plan, ought to put every country Gentleman around u* on the alert, in pursuing every means fur the detection of the robbers,. and in keeping a close watch for his own protection.—(Dublin Correspondent.) A Cork Paper states the attack on the Cashel Mail in the-following manner : • • wet have just learned the particulars of a daring outrage committed last Hight upon the coach which left this city yes terdays for Dublin; and, befiwe we detail themove cannot but express 4 hope, that the desperate miiercants concerned' in it may be discovered, and brought to that punishment which they so eminently merit. It is the worst sprciy , deprayFtv that the human mindis_suseeptible Of, t o kill f or thesake of killing —to murd er in 'cold blood, and without an coject. At about t 1 o'clock, as - the-coach was proceeding up a slight ascent, leading ton place called Rockwell, in the Barony of Middlethird, and within about three wiles of Cashel, it was discovered that the road was blocked up, cars being- placed at each side and a large tree resting upon both. The coach had scarcely . arrived at this spot, when two shots were fired, both of - which utrhapptly took effect; one upon the coachman, who-received the ball in his breast, and the other on a gentleman, the Assistant Surgeon of the 38th Re giment, who sat immediately behind hith and who was sh o t i n the grail Notwith s t an di ng the wounded state of the coach man, wh 'se name is Luke B.irchfort, he, with great p resence of mud, held hi s h orses i u hand, and though ' the road w as very narrow, d ex t erous l y turned thew round, arid drove back to the last stage he had left, New Inn: In the mean time one of the Guards descended from his seat, and run to the place. where the shots proceeded from, but the miscreants could not be discerned, and all that remained for him, was to fire in that direction which he did. Upon the -arrival of the Coach at New Inn, an Express was sent off to Cashel for an Escort, which having come the Coach pr o c ee d e d on i ts w a y. The Gentleman and Coachman were removed to Cashel, where they lay this morning in a very dangerods state. • On Saturd ay even i ng last, at the early hour of six o'clock, ten or eleven fellows, armed with blunderbusses and pistols, entered the house of Thomas Powell, Esq: late of the City Limerick Regiment, at Sallymount, near Castle Connell (to which he had just removed his furniture), and robbed it of almost every article of value. Mr. Powell being from home, the robbers demanded from Mrs. Powell the keys of the Gardaviue, which they knew right well contained time family pike,. but she not complying, they removed the box to the garden an'! rifled it of its contents ; they then took from. Mrs. Powell her gold watch and gold trinkets, also two suits of new mourning clothes, and various other wearing apparel, and threaten ed to take away her life if she alarmed the neigh bourhood. —One of the villains finished their pro ceedings by removing a shirt of Mr. Powell's, which was airing at the fire, and deliberately put it on, whilst the rest retreated from the house, through the fields, in the direction of Newport. There is no doubt but the perpetrators of this during and extraordinary outrage were well ac-: quainted with the interior of Mr. Powell's house, and we trust, that from the exertions making, they will be brought to punishment.- r (Linzerick Chron.) In the Ecclesiastical Code of Iceland, the Bishop, or even the interior Clergy, are invested wiih authority to prevent any marriage, where the female is unable to read. This law provides . a powerful pledge . f or t h e i nstruct i on o f t h e rising generation. Saturday night, a melancholy accident occurred in Northampton -street, Clerkenwell, some boys had a Guy Faux bonfire, and were throwing squibs and fireworks, when the horses in a waggon took fright, and ran off; a young man, in endeavour. ing to stop thew, was ran over, and trampled to death. IMPERIAL - 1 4 .1 i R. LIAM MT. ROUSE OF commoss, wzpvLsDAY Nov :) Mr. Serjeant ClNgt.olligave noticv, that he E huW 22d - move tor .ctive to bring iu a I.lill.for':ae 4", c. seturing. the L herr,' of Lord p.iLm:LitsroN laid on the table an Arcou:,t Established k'orce consisting of cavalry, farltry, in theyearg 1788; 1739, 1 790, 1. 4' • Mr. CriOKER gave naticc, that he should tu-::.c; ,-;v: a matittn for the further Reutuueratiol of h`..tty the Nary, 'anti for the Consolidation of the tThe , '. Greenw.ch. The Standi:4 Orders were then read a•tO agreed , t 7 ,!f! iy GENERAL ROSS. • The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER sai,!, 11: should on F r i day move for the erection of a is1,;;,..11::',•r;:. General Ross,—(Hear! hear !) Mr. WHITBREAD rose to put. two (ie-lions r first, whether any fresh - provocations had beee, given by the Americans after the engagement tered into by Sir G. Prevost, that lie would r;o further pursue the barbarity Of retaliation. The atrocities which had been mentioned tie justifying the burnifig at Washington had happened two years ago.. Could these cruelties justify severities exercised two years afterwards, and after such . an engagement on'the part of - the British Gene ral ? • :The next question was, whether any in quiry had yet heen instituted I -Into the matter which be had mentioned last night, of the Spa nish Refugees being surrendered to their Govern_ meat by our Officer at Gibraltar. The name of the Officer evasSmitir. He4SiOped, if inqeiry was not already making; that - no further delay would Occur. The CHANCELLOR of the ExdettOen-antyer-" ed to the first spiestiOn s Mitt it wog only one yeer since the atrocities in Canada were committed, and that although Sir GeOrge - Prevost 'had sub sequently to his engagement applied for means of retaliation, it ►vas because furtien• barbarities had,. been committed brthe Americans.. As to th e . second question, inquiry should imincdiately be instituted. Mr. WHITBREAD still insisted that the diffe rence of eoodaer - betwee n Sir G. Prevost and Sir A. Cochrane was Mysterious, and requi.ard planation. Mr. FREEMANTtn rose to move for the convert tint) under Which our troops were serving eeeer Holland. He wished to kithw what circonstaitces had prevented its - rat , neation. There was no power which Ministers possessed which earthd au thorise them in maintainining an English aline in Holland, without giving notice to Parliament. It was unprecedented atri unconstitutional. These troops Were under the: command of his.Sereue Highness the Hereditary prince of the Nether lands : for that Illustrious Personage he felt the highest respect ; he wasnn excellent soldier, and had gained the admiration and affe - ction of the army of the Duke of Wellington, .by his courage and humanity but there was no precedent of an English army being put under the absolute con trout of a foreign General wh o was not amenable to our laws h was true that Prince Ferdinand had the chief command of the Allied Forces ; but the Marquis of Granhy had ou dint occasion the direction of the British forces ; and under his aue therity alone were cohrts-martial held or punish ments inflicted on British soldiers. But in this case the Prince of the Netherlands 'night exercise whatever nets' of alatiolity lie pleaied over the English army, and.yet -seas not hiniseif trolible by any English authority. The inconve nience of employing an Officer not under Our controullad been seen in the recent instance of the Duke de Guiche, who had teftlseds to come over to attend - a court-martial. rt wlis an im portant sehject, and call ;for inquiry; and no reason had been given fur such a deviation from the Constitution, except that the Peace or Paris, which was stated to be such a hippy and glorious event, could not be maintained without this armed force. He should therefore move that `an humble Address be presented to the Prince Regent to lay before the House a copy or copies of the engage ments'entered into for the maintenance of foreign troops in the Low Ceuntries. The CHANCELLOIi of the rim-mitten allowed, that it was natural, that the Honourable Geetles man should enquire for the Convention ; but it could not be produced, as ,it was as yet an impel fect document, not having been ratified on the part of the Allies. It. was not surprising that. such ratification had not, taken place, considering the number of journies, and the important busi ness, which had occupied, the time of the Minis ters of the different Allied Severeigns. The I-lon. Gentleman had made sonic mitouthied observatious on the employment Of the British troops in Hol land. Such employment was in fact founded on the treaty of Chaumont, when the Allies had - formed a comp ac t t o overturn th'e overwhelming. domination o f F rance : i t was thee agreed that a • Congress should he afterwards held for the de finitive arrangement of all matters hi dispute, and, till that tine,„ the Contracting Powers should keep on foot a certain number of troops for mutual security. The troops in the Netherlands were sent there in consequence of that Treaty ; but even independently of such . stipulation, he could see no reason whr, foi the protection of Holland, troops should not , remain there at the disposal el the sovereign of that country. It was certainly unconstitutional and illegal to employ a British" force in this man ner, without the consent of Parliament ; but when that force had been raised and its eapeuces pro vided for by Parliament, he appreheuded that the mode:of employing them rested with Majesty's Oovernment. there was one place i;efore au other in the world where there could be less ice ' lousy of Ocir being misemploved, or lelos:e it could be more politic to send them, that. place was the Netherlands. The, importance oe the Netherlands to this conntry'seein e d on all hends to be allowed ; and he conceived, that on gc- - neral principles the employment of our trooiis in Holland would meet with the popular appr o _ bation, even if it were not justified by the treaty of Chaumont. As to the Commander of tho se forces, they could not be placed under a more qualified Officer than his Serene Highness, who had distinguished himself so much in the Penin sular campaign. It was scarcely possible to ap prehend any iniscoaduct from such a person : hit if he misbehaved, he would be the loser both in licenour and profit ; the command would be taken