The Sun. — London, England, 1814-07-05 00:00:00

)11 0 :;r0 kiDril r 1 , ‘ - ' I,S TI.IOZE xa-,../ ~.„..,..:- and iibse.rvOi t ''' T l•-,L,',c)f the.st:.,tentents of the Ponm•ahle Gen ,e"' as to the hic'orne of her Royal Highness, il t ,, e " . ""eme. Th e H onoura bl e Geotleman, ~v\9;eated, that her R oya l- Hi , liness hail in (106" ,)1 " 17 ,0 i ' 001. a-year, . e\ch.sively of the •i t o ' i l i , 4 , e ,"'"N to th e y ear ISOO ; b ut- h e h a d Pea i-• " e "e"e, tbat her Royal Highness had no .4.,,nletinte befor e that period. Whatever ex -0,,. li nght, he ineurred went. of course to the tt, 1 4 7, (4 the Princ e of Wales. AfterwarAs she ,latt in-un-ltouse, and a regular separation took 4 1. 4 e a ; ' , (l.it w as th en that she first 'mid a separate bat t , '` was not correct, therefore, to state, 0 t ' ,;',. 1.1 (4 her income had been deducted On Ni t ' 0 1 the embarrassments of the Prince ; tlii ) ., ts t. say, ' that considering the poportions "allot, "' co mes; the Prince had made as large 4.4 I ,l' au ce as a n y husband would have offer lii),),4l. such eil 7 eumstances. The Princess ttp 4 ,.,, ti t hat incom e till 1809. He was not ,4 of„ 1() say a word which might convey any ' t tli —trac'a(Panee in the Princess, yet he mast ai. at th e c Prince had been libe la cow . (induct of the , e atitt h i , I '4; forward to pay her debts,- and in c'hiih i ; iheoine The sum paid Was 49,000/., 4 , l,' NN;lZ....N . lariy divided between 1800 and L . qtat pe ,, i!siv e „ n i nco m e of 22,0001. per year 1 1 s , :811 , a l ; )(1 , with a surplus of 000./. Besides 6 ralt t y . l)-( ' le .. eeived 32,0004. from , the Droits of i lti ged, 6,t (fir, Whitbread said, it was so ar 1. Y , p a i l ' not paid). • Thu stnn had been regt.e -t , () a s th, 'land , lie could shew.from the papers in t at' ' The House, therefore, would see, lk j:Ls:d el : i. that unfortunate separation, the Prin :4(oe. t , - ' li !'eome . of 22,0001. a sum, be would i ° ,' 11 4,,,.• 5 aY , as large in proportion as any man i l ° o , / :erer, f e sil ade to his wife. There was no reason, r t ltia,l °" sitpposing that the financial arrange 4,rlik.taf e . ott that occasion should be final, or that qtr a r l t should be precluded from exercising •cess t Y, l nore suitable to-the condition of the , stt c. . ,'"'le had certainly made no application, iN ile ! Ittti ireet, vet there was no cause to he '',,ttle 4 t the grant' would be. unacceptable. As iiie,..l)..artlyular sum, it was proposed to raise ',ale he t• i of her Royal Ifighuess to that point her v t ,, wo uld bait the Prince should die t.- ‘ibl e .• '"e separation had been as complete as the I t ec oneiliation seeme d equa lly h ope less t4 io,,.. ee llags of both parties ; nor was there )u .g l t li tA th l is unfortunate business which could titan eir e „, - - 'eau to any approximation. Under ..stan e p. •• ent could not do bet re._ .. es, al LIAM ., . . I s av ir ‘ilo from all investigation into the as sn r, u f eelings of the parties, and act upon la . at t : t i rl i e e almost that the separation which 4,.. e „ ur 1 5 years would last for life ; and . 'Elie 4 -"re to the ,Princess that provision it dtii,‘..vuuld have in the event of the calamity os e , 14 0p o , °t the Prince. He should, there- Ille ss s -- e to raise the income of her Royal It A ; () ;he n e t sum o f 50,0001 . . per au ii `i fr (41 'd be d es i ra bl e t h at th i s sum shou l d °RI • a, 0 ~ e fund, and not fr ont var i ou s ;( 1 't o 4 : 11 ` th at some indemnity should be b e th , b tu ~t atte t i Prince. His Royal Highness. 1 ,. A: , cir .„"` not to be liable to the debts lei 30, b e . (~ 10. tt, cause the creditors 11;4 not ": 1 1 4,' . ti COnditiol). Ilf an Act of Podia- Pri,,, • . - akrea ~:rat all Ores should be sent i t tit three mortths after they iet..were ~.,,c d. s . enity as a !.q . isban:l was, there ' for o,: s -.• prote,etion . might . he ne lhets„d, se ~1 - ' the, creditors might, if . • il'ceouuts within. the lellbe :, lt t i ZL : .C.::t ' -1 1 ,• , - :,..-:ad was going /coin qt 1 " ‘-', b•,-„,e.eii him to stay, as he i i! . ! t )Pa,rt with. hint yet). He was, indeed, a l ap t '` l nat, thou g h he did not pretend to de- that st '7 ' Y' , r, that where the parties lived noto 111 Pavate, the husband y if . the . and could not be liable,es le was a form a l deed of separation ,' 11 1) be t , v , i ' l4 h e ,„ ' e L L ," tncal• The Prince, however, of the able to make any contract, on ac . ; bltt . restrictions of some Acts of Parlia- N c . 4% l oe had '‘ign e d a pp ee , which, if not l'eei,,,. ( l ,'as as solid as any recoied, and which ,t. u ..i l the 's•knetion of the King, from the : ney, l'itil reenliCiliatiOn Was hopeless, ' From din,. I :„ w ever,, the Prince hadiefrained from Was li'oliarnent fora pro 4 persecurity,ivinch e ,. vilY to lear n was u nnecessary.- Now, A th e ,_ i ncom e ,' t o ouse should take care to protect sepa rate r o l c e . should p ro pose, the re f ore , t h at cif 011 th °ale of the Princess should be `vont! e ' C 'onsoli , lated Fund, and Parlia- L d,„, what .. . . . . 1 4 , 4 • was just in indemnifying the q• Per .„I,led, That the net stun of ! s s o f w ai ,, s lilia sh o „i d b e granted to the Fund, .„,-:,/' t i n be paid out of time Cooso ' 1 7,0001. a4 P l , 4 t the separate incomes of lad, ghoiddibe w a t o oo per ann um , w hi c h s h e WU ITII READ tbnlidrawn.'. isisted too tenielQi4llt that the Noble Lord the Princess vi t'o th e generosity of the ,s; and lutist lie as lere to find that t ll O part to his eni her been disqpointed on lei splendour to ‘..bi e e l Prince could not keep 1 4 ‘ he night reasonably :ed. An arrangerne ' -.. final at:range/n em ,) i t 11a(1 been, made (a 's income, on his t °- Pay his debts and yet the - p,e le ,.. , marriage with the is ion in ! ,,,,, A r i ,.,' B ' had soon to Wit ;igy part of his esta blish as si te lived at became Carlton-house, her to spate -- her when she pard the-fate of income suitable to, .she had a right ,iie ad,- he tho ug h t, , her rank. 1 laid t°o - 0 0 much stress separation, as i c ' us e of the term a woman' "f-herja st rights 1 point ',fluid be rem em b ered that .n there - was no instrument which could, even bur's opitijol!, digest tb e ii„bili tv o f Ille " CI " 1111 " . es 3 . left CarltOn ,d every thing to )rovide; nothing her but the knive s -and forks. 'f he .berefore, must not talk s.o much of of the Prince.. Reheated arrange tecn made for . his benefit ; and too much to make one for the w , , he understood, the p i i, cess a_ G u inea. .When the necessities --- Mei' income to 12,0001. " -.• have appeared. iv fi i'Alolniondeley, in. ke it 20,0001. A The . ~w . the acts of 11- , • 0 0 4 '1, l il4 1 ) 1 1 1 : ct,)" 1 41 11 4 ": 6 5 e us • i t 7 4 i t \‘ 4S p i ' see;;){: the 6,0011. re the Priticest .xeived by oe certuin interests in Greenwich Park, .I-le that there, was no desire of unnecessary extrara. r gatice on her hue was, boWever, : a grea;:. difference', between the general and spontaneor.s opinion of the House, of the propriety of adding to her Royal Highness's income, and itit attempt, on her part,,tht ough any channel, to obtain such addition ; which he Would again deny that the Princess had ever attempted. . This he could say for himself - ; and he wasautkorised to say for the Princess, that no authority of the sort had been given at any period since 1799. Lord CASTLEREAGH intended reflection on the debts contracted by the Princess : indeed, he had guarded himself against any thing of that kind. He never stated the 6,0001. from the droits as front the Prince of Wales ; but only that what the Prince paid was 6,0001. more than 22,0001. a year. Her Royal Highness bad also had resi dences furnished by the Crown, and a very consi derable outfit for them. It would be unfair to diminish the credit due to his Royal Highness for what he had done. dining the course of this unfortunateseparation. No husband perhaps ever gave up so large a portion of his income to his wife. However hopeless might be the prospect of reconciliation, yet certainly his Royal Highness had never wished the Princess of W,„alcs to be vi sited by any pecuniary inconveniencies. Mr. WHITBREAD said,., that, according to his information, 26 or 27,0001.• were paid from the droits, but the remainder was stopped at th death of Mr. Pitt. Mr. 'Figur:EY did not wish to' trespass on the House ; but he mast say, that he understood the separation between the . Prince Regent and the Princess Gf Wales simply as a separation arising from incompatibility of temper,_ or some such rea son, and no farther. He lamented that the cif ference bad run to such as extent ; but he should decline all comments upon it. He offered to the - Noble Lord his thanks for his achievement. 'All he had already done was less than thiS, by Which he had advised his Royal Highness to recom mend a suitable - provision for the Princess of Wales. By this proposition, the yank and dig nity of the Princess of \Vales were recognised by Parliament : and that step happily having, been taken, be hoped that on the approach ing day of Public Thanksgiving, there could be little doubt that her. Royal Highness would find . her place in the procession, though not partieu lark' near to the Prince Regent, and her place in the Cathedral : . than which nothing could be more pleasing to the House and to the Country.— One word as to the mode of payment.. When he said that the Princess, if apart, was entitled to 50,0001. a-year, he added, that if he had the ho nour of being her adviser, he should advise her not to burthen the country with so large ti sum. He should think, perhaps, that 28.000/. would be what she might be disposed to re ceive. But supposing the 50,0001. granted and accepted, he did not understand the arrange ment respecting the Consolidated Fund -oa which it was proposed to charge it in one sum, as it was said, for greater convenience ; and in lieu of the 17,0001. and,the 5,009/. a year._ But what, then, became a ti,. reinalning ; (rum. the fund ? The Prince of Wales hod 60,00/. a year from it for his father's and his own life. 7.-The Prince could not he in want of that skit :,:, except in the case of tha oceivcd 60,0n0/. per annum, voted to he • e 7; as Prince of Wales ; but he was otherwise l e :;ided for by the Civil List, &c. He washed to know why this might not be taken.away altogether, and the public be relieved of the burthen ? Why not transfer 50 of the 60,0001. to the Princess ? The Noble Lord thought the Prince, under present arrangements, could have no debts : yet it was said he retained a . SHIII to pay debts. It would appear that the Prince of Wales made the charge, and that the Princess was to take all the odium 'of it. But the Prince had encumbrances. He should never ar gue oil that topic. All he would say was, if it were so,' and there was no fund, " pay all off at once, and above beard, as had been done for his Royal Father, and let his Royal Highness live like the Sovereign of tills great Empire." In justice to the Princess of Wales he must say, if site accepted the 50,0001. a-year, that it was not her charge on the country ; but that it was ne cessary from another-sum being 4devoted to pur poses unknown to-Parliament. Lord CASTLEREAGH said, the credit due be longed not to himself, but to a Member whom he did not then see in his place (Mr. Methuen.) But if the object had been plainly stated before, he did not see that any serious tliil culties would have arisen. With reference to something else that fell from an Honourable Member, he must say, that it would be the last attempt he should think of making to bring parties together, where devo tion.niight be interrupted by feelings of the na ture alluded to. As to the income mentioned, the Prince Regent had not. spent a shilling of it since the Regency. It was received by Commis sioners, and regularly assigned to the payment of debts, and no new debt had or would be charged upon it. Mr. TIERNEY asked for no more than to learn how the sum was appropriated. Still lie had not heard the amount of the debts ; but he should not ask it. When so large a sum as 50,0001. ie-year was voted, it was natural to imply a recognition of the Princess's rank. He did, not ask for im possibilities ; such, perhaps, a reconciliation might be. All he meant was, that so far as public appearance: went, the public would be gratified by seeing these two exalted personages together, and he did hope that this vote was an earnest of it. It could not be considered as a condition, or compromise,•orbribe in lieu of recognition.. He .was persuaded that the Noble, Lord was incapable oriffeli an insult to the Princess, and that it .was not the will of the ~Prince•Regeot. Thee Noble Lord.had obtained the great object of elevating her Royal Highness to her proper rank in the country. He (Mr. T.). had not at all interfered with religion in what he . had said ; for the pro clamation which . called upon all to rettien - thanks, . stated, that those Who did not do so, would incur displeasure (pear !) He.did not mean, that the Princess musCsit in the same peW•with:the Prince Regent ; but that, at least, siie might go in the procession to St. Paul's, and return than4s - to God under the same roof. TlLvrarri.v. percinptorily deny any olijegt,e, noiney in any motion made respecting her Royal :Highness. He had called for justice, ire had . cAile4 for mercy, and he called for the protertionof that Mose, which he had received. 'l'ne honourable Member (Mr. Methuen), had disclaimed oil authority front the Princess, and declared that he acted entirely from himself. — He (Me. Whitbread), had not given the Princess advice. But she le.td said, " that she should not be allowed to starve, or to beg her bread ; but that yet she would not compromise her rights." She liad now lost nothing of her rank, her station, her character, her dignity, which, he contended, were all safe under the protection of. the douse. The proposed income was far too high, is such were not the opinion of that tionse and of the whole Nation—(Hear !) It was matter of consi detation whether the Princess should submit to a refusal to appear at St. Paul's, where the Peers and Peeresses of the Realin were to assemble. — If she were to be the only person excluded, he be lieved the Country would very, very ill brook it. Certainly thq Prince Regent and the Princess might say their prayers together. This was not a mere question of attending a drawing-room ; it would ben downright m yocker oldie proclamation if she were to he the only person excluded from going to St. Po•trl's to pray for the forgiveness of her sins, and to offer up her thanks to Heaven in pub lic.—The slim proposed was larler than most A•rattitl lave ventured to suggest. t ile haul never elAzteiovhiattd money in any part he had taken upoti the subject. He -did not doubt of the dig nity and propTiety of hse,r Royal Highness's con duct, and that she would call upon proper advisers respecting what she should do, upon the vote of Perliamoot which had taken her under its pro tection. Mr. C.A.NNING felt, a great satisfaction in voting for the proposition, the rather because lie trusted it would be fin:ll. By the act of that night they were following up the in:lnifestation. of their sen timents as formerly expressed, in a manner that could not be mistaken. He should have abstain ed fr6m s l ?eaking,, but fur some observations trout the Hon. Gentleman opposite,' which leant ra ther in favour of her Royal Highness's declining the grant. He had seen .but One course in this business, and that was to abstain front . particular points whereon they could come to no..decision. if her Royal Highness was advised to object to the grant, it would seem as-if she looked to some future discussions ; lie honed, therefore, on all accounts, that the grant, such as the wisdom of the House voted it, ..could be. accepted by the Prin cess in all its extent. It was for her interest and her honour to avoid any other construction, than that she rested implicitly 011,what had passed. Mr. PONSONEV supported - the motion, but re frained front giving any opinion - on the cause of it. , 'The Resolution was agreed to unanimously. PEACE OF IRELAND. The House %vent into . a Committee on the Bill to secure r' Peace of Ireland, in which PALE introduced and 'moved a - new clause to appont a special or Chivi Magistrate in each of the Coup es in a E.tate.uf disturDance ; .at a.salary f 7001. : -year; itlso 1 t certain, numbcr of petty consta' frith _handsnuie sa:i4ris, to act under the C ligistrate, and indepeudent of the other Afr4l? or the County. The oat,' y stabl 'ye fire fo-ins furr,;:llefr by Government, and ise disturbances were . put an end to, • sucL :ins to be returned to Government and sold the money arising from the sale to be adds he funds of the County. S . Ft.ooo objected to the clause, as he thor :nth an appointment Of a Chief Magis tratt •a degradation of the other Magistrates ; Omit , in there could not be ! Dater hi any coon try. thought also the salary was too large. In answer to a question from Mr. Ban lid, he had purposely abstained from utix thing of a temporary nature with the prey 1, which was tncant to be Permanent. lie not, therefore, say any. thing on the subj his lion. Friend's question at present. Pere . might, .at,no great distance of time, harp s.,:..;asion to bring some further measure fore the House, and then he sli'ould be able io . go into the matter. Certainly Island was not in such a state as could be wished. The clause was then agreed to. The report to morrow. COMNIMEE OF SUPPLY-ORDNANCE ESTIMATES. Mr. WARD said, that in calling the attention of the Committee to this subject, he,..should.h.ive the less occasion to trespass on their time, as many of the sums now to be voted were similar to those that had been voted last year; some, however, being more, and others less. Some Gentlemen seemed to entertain an . idea that •a great reduction should be made ; but that expectation tra3 pre mature, though-a Considerable reduction had cer tainly taken place. The reduction was equal:to a tilillicm smiling, and including the war estimates, would gftNa 'a reduction of a million and a Lialfs and this ; too, when for half of- the year the".ex pence was that of - a complete war estF.hlislr. , ..!ent. For the next quarter the tall'establishment must Dearly be kept up,. and there was 6:4.0ne-quarter in which any r.duction of moment could take place.. In the beginning e April 'tb•Allies had entered Paris, and on the 19th it \vas ascertained that But)• parte had r abdicated. 'A reduction had then :been made to the amount of 2000 men by the Master- General of the Ordnance ; and had these events taken-place sooner, aHsaving of nearly half-a mil lion would have - lieen made. Withresiiect to the marching hatterieS, a reduction • nad taken place of one quarter; on the .sappers'and miners, ,one third ; on the artillery drivers, one-third, Upon rough calculation, the•espense - would be re duced to an half, exclusive of the reduction of • the foreign corps: In the corps• of - Engineers no reductihni.had.been-made, as they had. never beet kept up to the full exigency of the .Case ; and it reduced, they could not easily be filled up. Taking• one •,class with another, •the reduction would be an half. On one infant service, namely, tie rocket service, no reduction had taken place. The How. Gentleman here ‘varmly eillogied Co lonel Congreve, •an(t the _utility of the invention, and read au extract of a letter 'front Colonel Dixon, stating their great utility on the banks of the Adour. Besides the reductidus that bad been t•pecised, it was in contemplation to make a fur ther saving, by reductions to .e• au, ttna of 100,000/. With respect to the extraordinary es tinuttes, the saving to the public store last year *mild he upwards of 600,000/. ; and en the war bad gone on, there would have ii • n a dimi nution of charge to the amount of 90,000/. The establishment at Woolwich was a le wing article in the expenditure, and amounted to 64,000/. every part of which could ..ot only he justified hot com mended. Under this general head was included the sum of 60001. for additioual barracks. 1 his might ap pear a singular item in a Peace Establisioneot, but was called for by the necessii'y of the r ise. The Royal Powder-mills had required 24,0001. in con sequence of the explosion list ye ; which would have been prevented had the trave)ses oven on a larger scale.; and one beam had bee» thrown over a traverse ten feet high to the distance of 700 feet. The rest 'of the expence had arisen from the change that had taken place to the mode of dry.... in; Gunpowder, where, instead of a tax ii' ti. a copper pipe, heated by steam win: not employ.-d. —On the article of ligntera4e, i saytag of. thirty per cent. had been Made: Since tie year 1808, we had supplied our ..111,-3 with 834 pieces of cannon, 77,000 barrels of gan-poweer,.. 162 millions of cartridges, and twelve millions of flints ; a considerable proportion of wine!' had been sent laSt year. In the article . of manual- la bour, a saving to the amount of 8,0001. had been made by means of a vertietd saw. The Hon. Gen tie,utart concluded his general outline by expresa in-g his high sense. .o 1 the merits and 'service; of the officers employed in the . artillery ; and moved that the sum of 1,746,017/. should be granted for the expence of the Ordnance for the year 1814. Mr. W, SMITH and Mr. BANKES testified their approbation of the general view that bad been exhibited by the lion. Gentleman, though the last named Gentleman thought the peace establish ment was larger than either the reason of the thing or the state of the country could allow. • Mr. CHARLES WYNNE deprecated the idea of keeping up a very large military establishment iii this - country in time of peace ; and after a few ords further from Mr. CALCHAFT, Mr. W. SMITH, and Mr. BANKES, the Resolutions were put and carried. On the motion of Mr. W. SMITH, 10,000/ ; Vas voted for the completion of the works at the Queen's-ferry, on the Frith of Forth, in addition to 10,0001. already raised by private subscription.— The House then resumed./ .., N . q . e,, - "Velii - ad fit trit ''., fOr • • I tilli tta tie 0 s"1 i , 1.. h ai1 1 .,_, titt prJiiiittai`intvt Sho fli t Ass . - ,..' 61 ' 1 ; N•;_ll e 1 e 1 ,..,.t.ir L., :. tu tc, '!lii t '"ret , th the . the ;e liartig• II kw i i n coliie (. . ,... 3.; ' . 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Mr. HoLFonD moved the second reading of the Sir WILLIAK CURTIS contended that this Bill would have the effect of throwing an unineroed censure on the Aldermen who were the Magis trates of London. They had done all in their power to remedy the evils complained cf . , and when the new Prisons were built, he thoi.glit they would be able to remove those complaints. - He - moved as an ameniae»t, that the Bill should be read a second time this day three months. Sir J AMES 5/IAW seconded the motion, and stated, at some length, the numner of the times that the Piison as visited, and the new regu lations. • Mr. TA.Y - LOIF: said, that . ttenn hl knowleke (having ()Reif visited tlke jail of Newgatc) it wAs badly aLiministered, dtid • Clete 'ought to be- a remedy. IiaNNET said, that he had also visited. the prison, and could witness the Want of accommo dation. • 2,1 r. BATHURST thought that it would be better to withdraw the Bill for the present Sessi,on, but still to have it depending if the regulations were not imp:oleci. • Mr. W: SMITH W'7.S of the samf, opinion. Sir T. ACLAND thought the Bill should not he postponed. Atter a pretty long conversation, the House divided, • For the Bill .- 23 LIF ainst it - is 1 Majority - 5 The Bill sva.s then read •a second time. The other Orders of 'the Day were then die.. posed of.---Vijourned. COPYR:GHT LAWS. TO DAVIS GIDDY, ESQ. M. P. SIR—As I find that a Petition from many. vcncrable and eminent labourers in various de partthents of Literature and Science has-just beeu presented by y6tl to the House of Commons, against the claims of the Uoiversities and some public Libraries to eleven Copies of every new publication, I• ani desirous to bear my testimony against so serious a grievance, by the following statement : Having devoted twenty-seven years of my life to the calculation of Tables tor determining the Values of Life Annuities niid Assurances,- rurex needing in extent any tlOng yet publi,,ied, pad promising, its I Elauertid myself, (relyirig• on the opinionS of the. most competent judges)„ to he of great public utility, I circulated, in 181 i ,p,i•opo s! tis, accompanied by the recor inctidatiop_ of a Gu,t(e eminent in this i)raircli Of science, for•i.ir,t ink' the result of iny Itibbars, ill two Barge lluartu volurnes, Containing about 1400 .pagc, ; ,. closely printed, at the pr.ce of eightguincai. f - , I !lad taken care to furnishthe" Colleges lit Oxfvrd .. witb iir ~of my Proposal., - ; , , — throutth a - friend officially :inoiirrccted .with- that University", supposing : that thelsc 13u:ties, which .hove 1.1t . ::n so richly endowed the purpose of seldnee, !tons:' ii. Ve 111,,! not only for7.be .aketlf sel,:nce; !)tit. Of' their own interests, as !icy ImbOurs B wer . F..„ ; ,,rinculatd- to be of grot use to Corporate odies pos - essed of property: But in. thT I w:Ci tleatived.;, for after waiting some months; I ,was that, though, the value htility of illy ivorlt were admitted, not onetof „the Colb . .•.v.Ge.id. subscribe !or it, iind'tbat iceson was assigned for their -I.fttst-il Titarth Uni-veesity had a right to a Copy . gratis ; and, as .was 4.4 book of reference, this one would .terve the colle,ises." Isom' lezirned th.,:t tun ()tiler public B.ailcS - would make the bathe clarm,. under MI ' Act which pro fes'ses to have ttte encouragement..of science. for its object, and that I nail "un prospect but :if ad:l -ing to-the loss of SO many yearSol,l4bour, that .of the heavy expences of publication: is ant, Sir, yours, most respentfully, . BARRErr. Hope Assurance Office, Ludgatv-11111 2 Junti-30, 1814: