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park was a double trust of the Sover e'gn—viz., for the l) 4111 ic, and for the successors of th e Sovereign on th e Throne, It was, therefore, highly desir a bl e that the At torney- General should clear up the legal question on this Point. Lord J. RUSSELL id the Hd Leard Gentleman the Memhsr said for Newark on. had an laid down ae a doctrine which the Hon. Gentleman who had jus. spok e h s h ould well consider—nrotely, whether will it not decid e a question of law, and whether the Right /lon. M em b er f or the University of Oxford had not gone too far - when he desired that the 11. use should com e to no deci s i on on th e l ega l quest i on . T he quest i on befor e the House was not a question of law; it was merely a que s ti on as to w h at t h ey s h ou ld think it proper to do—to offer advice to the Crown is reference to the e x hibi t i on i n connexion with the rights of the public, or not to offer such advice. That quesion should be kept clear from all others. If private rights were infringed upon, and if private parties had chosen to ap ply to the courts of law for redress, that House had un doubtedly nothing to do with the matter. But such was not the case . W ith respect, however, to the q testion to be decided, he was of opi n i on th a t th e di scuss io n which had taken place had been of some use, and that the subject. Rouse h a d nearly come to a conclusion on the subject. he thought he represented the feeling of the House when he said that no building of any permanency was desired, t h at no enormous dome should be erected, !loci that no injury should be done to the great trees is the park.—(Hear, hear.) So far the que ;tir e w ag Perfec t ly c l ear. But he was also of opinion that t Rouse did not think it necessary to address the Ceo en on the subject of the exhibition. If this was the case, j. t here we re on l y one or two points on which he (Lord Russell) felt called upon to address the House. It was sa id that th e C omm i ss i on took an arbitrary view of ithe cite, and sa i d that if the exhibition was not to be Yde-pa r k i t would not be at all. That was not "1 3 ° Th e Commissioners, having investigated the ~w u ole subje c t, an d examined the most competent wi t 'esseg• had com e to t h e conc l us i on ear l y i n February Hyde -park that e for -ee-park was th e fi ttest an d mos t p ro p er pl ace the exhibition. This conclusion they made known, s/1:(3t ent Only to th e p eo pl e o f t hi s coun t ry , b u t on t h e C on • " c —the general public, in short, was informed that the exhibition was to be held in Hyde-park. Subse drquently the Commi ss i oners i ssue d proposa l s f or wor ki ng • swing s of plans, on the supposition that Hde-park was to be the site. Having done all these things, they now honly said it was too late to make any change f the exhi vitiOn was to take place in 1851. They had examined e,gineers, surveyors, and architects; and the entire I,`-'°‘naiission were satisfied that the exhibition should be Z e e l d Hyde -park, or it could not be held at ail at the Question fixed. The next point to be referred to was the ' tle stion of sacrifice. As his Noble Friend suggested, there Should he sacrifice somewhere, and he (Lord John R ar e Should he sacrifice somewhere, and he (Lod John 1°ell) certai n ly admitted that to put the exhibition in lue . Park might cause some inconvenience to the 60 or occupants of houses in its vicinity. It migh also in "ovenience some riders in Rotten-row, though t in their s ae there cou ld b e compensation. Bur, on the other ohlnde, the sacrifice to the working classes of London Would be i mmense, if the exhibition was placed on any elo,ter site than Hyd e - par k. Th ose, f or example, who %lid h ave i n such case to make a journey of six or sev en miles would lose an entire day; while those who ee te from the country would have a second journey to f at a co s t o f money and a sacrifice of time. There ore, it was in the interest of the great majority that exh ibition should take pl ace i n H y d e • par k.—(H ear. ) al the question been brought before the House in ai Zeti, though he did not say that a different desi tittle w ould be arr i ve d at, st il l there would be to ofuld change th e s i te, if t h at dec i s i on was co en adv erse character - As it was, the change not Le made. He trusted the House would no t divide on the amendment, because he believed that 'co discussion would induce the Commission to make ,every eff ort possible to accommo d ate t h e pu bli c as 12 - „" as to protect private interests; but he hoped noose a ny circumstanc es th a t t h e H ouse wou ld not b ate ans ent to th e motion for the adjournment of the de (Hear.) An IforeouttennE MEMBER asked whether the park W onld leg opened during the whole time to public con learauces Would give J. RUSSELL said, no doubt the Commissioners ou.ld give every facility. e c , Sir 11 HALL would, after what had Passed, consent ;itiadra a his motion.—(Cries of ' Oh.") e l , he FAKER put the question whether the amend. urri__pet should be wi hdrawn—(Cries of" Oh ")—and then red the ga TH lleries to be ceared. eek;ol oriel SIBORP said l hewould divide the House Thea great humbug. —(Laughter.) Rouse then divided, ashen there appeared— For Sir 13. Hall's amendment... ... 47 Against it ... 166 •• • ••• ••• The Majority against it —ll9 • ••• Sibtho rp' "ottse imm e di ate l y a f terwar d s •• divided upon Col. s amendment, when there appeared— For the amendment ••• 46 A gainst it 166 Majority against it ... •-• —l2O EDUCATION. ° Fore motion for bringing up the resolution on the rote m education, ae re r ; ‘ MILES objected to a question of so much import- IsCeine, brought on at that late hour. hoe r e eIIANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the te ol i w as not so l ate (half-past ten o'clock), and if the the aa O bjected to proceeding with business at that hour Would never be able to get on. meat h ''''''4l,ll.lC thought the conduct of the Govern tion. '4l,rdly fair, considering the i m p or t ance o f th e ques kernh 'lt that adva nce d per i od of the night many H on. had left Who were likely to take part in the discussion be b e t he Rou se under the impression that it would not ko ußht 0 r. k r • ros e te 'LES, amidst cries of "Go on," "Adjourn," P r esent some petitions against the grant, when C onl be. e • MANNERS rose to protest against the ques the House brought f orward at that hour. It was taking Lord b y surpri se . a that e e, • RUS SELL did not think it unreasonable at bleu gored peri o d of the session to ask to have the Ae.Ztroeeeded with at balf-past ten o'clock. fair stas ee , A e ° STONE did not think that was exactly a there we — `et Of the case. The question was whether Would e 0,,, general understanding that the measure W h il e i c s h en li r e -le : Li n ed at that hour. There was a question to put to the Right Hon. Gentleman the Sy" "al l ' for the Home Department, with respect to t iel adopted at the training school at Kneller that , a did not find it laid down that candidates at ()FlCoosa for the office of schoolmasters. even in those i e s: l 4 . l which they were to be members of the Church hir,ol)4tl:l,ll.g.tilaenedesswaro j u i ld be examined on any subject which Y identify them with the Church. Per t) givtehehiluitigcht Hon. Gentleman would be good enough Sir G . Gluroo explanation upon that point? GREY said that those candidates who were ill se e er e o r t s of the Church of England would be under the theeel endence of the Principal' furth er who would examine the formularies of the Church. But he had Right tto) observe, that the schoolmasters to whom the Workhousesl3. Gentleman referred would be appointed . for With th and prisons, and would not be identified e cho , Church of England in the same manner as the 410.1111 asters iu the national schools. s rk te _ r a few words from Mr. NEWDEGATE, thatu.r. CHANCELLOR, of the EXCHEQUER said Was e course which he was taking on that occasion PFEeiselysa ot the course of which he had given notice, to i f, h oped that no further objection would be made a2 rW. th en ' W. AtILES, who spoke in a very indistinct tone, the tiola,yoceeded to address the House on the subject of gio fences at present prevailing between the Educe enittee of the Privy Council and the National ethi c The Hon. Gentleman said that the system to iu Zu he wished to call their attention had commenced po sed year 1 833, when the late Lord Spencer had pro s grant of 30,0001. for the purpose of education. grant had been distributed by the Treasury be ja'?n the National Society and the British and Foreign „ Society without any conditions which could exc'te the ti .'` . 4 . usY or the disapprobation of either of those socie- C_ But, in the leer 1839, those famous Orders in n3"ee`inc.isleh.adlbeen. issued on the subject of normal and et rt.,,° o l hoo s which had since given rise to so much dis th7L n• Shortly after the appearance of those orders Archbishop of Canterbury had moved in the Rout ' 4 ,_, Of Lords a resolution condemning them; 4 'll . tiles iesolution had been carried by a majority of the y ear what he might call the concordat had been n . Entered_ into betwee n the National Society and t he Committee of the Privy Council, roviding at once F or the connexion of the Schools with the Established C hurch, and for a Government ins et of them. But et the same time, a suspicion lurked amen the foil ' lidera ' of Church schools that the Committee ofgPrivy Council Were taking too much upon themselves, and that they W e re e ndeavouring to force improper conditio ns on the Lefferent schools. He should next pass to the 18e year -6. Immediately after the accession of the Year G ov ernment to power a great excitement had prevailed ; th e Council Office, and minute after minut e had been ets tied. Eventually, in the year 1847, the minutes with '' a Pect to the mananement of schools had been made t e lt il t P e uls erY• Now, it was to the compulsory clauses o f" a mainly objected. It appeared that the managers ti certain schools had refused to comply with the conch sitea which had been so laid down. He merely . asked .h sect Government to interfere as little as possible with merely or toed in matters of education. He wished them t o re ,!Y rely upon the fundamental principles, and their w' the managers of those schools so to conduct th Er r t ,euools that the education to be communicated , _ Priel e rl i e light be in accordance with the tenets and Dupe's of the respective churches to which the ello: belonged. One of the petitions which he had the spectarhito present, and which was numerously and re signed, after complaining of many of these Itueli e :'ee t ices to which he referred, alluded to the of cl ar : - " a ll establishment, which it declared to be full eorntoger to the teaching of the pupil, and was the th ey had went of a system latitudinarianism, When th ey f '° ,otetnined the schoolmasters of their unions li giue s eu i u rie t hat . but little attention had been paid to re eity hatt titruction, that the highest knowledge in divi- I tnen s i ed was therein required was a good Biblical l'ele te i ne ge and the knowledge of the geography of ti • %I hat did they find in a minute to which /an, e couraie, stud en Fiend alluded relative to Knel:er-hall? tottl e to student was required to learn any religious for mtion; , w hich he had a conscientious objet eat and t hi s . eaters as in a school where school- Paup rr e r d e tra.ined entirely for the administration cationof e ucation in workhouses, and criminal edu- The Youth i n • ' . . there ese ee e i , prison• There was no examination in in the .ordinances, or the prayer-book; . ecti ee , 'acts nothing whatever to show the dis khool wereh ter faster s e Church of England. These I t i n Of th e i r bound upon :he expiration of the t hat urraPerenticeship to uervo in these schools stiki leo i l s iz e u i t u i e at i on years• He eat a , a seven could er n s l h bu c t ir t c h u i m nk produ ce the worst results. S2nce the ques- tion had been discussed in the other House of Parlia ment it had taken a different turn. Although a Com mittee had been denied to the Noble Lord who made the motion in the other House, yet the Noble Lord the Presi dent of the Council sested that the time had c ime when he thought an ireleiry was necessary, and he only ob jeced to it then because it woull be impossible to come to a conclusion on the subject befute the end of the p - esent session of Parliament. As he (Mr. Miles) un derstood there would be no objection to an inquiry in the next year, as the petitioners stated the applicants were unable, from conscientieus scruples, to participate in those a lvanteges which it was evidently intended by the Legislature they should enjoy—after the decision that bad been arrived at in another place, he did not think it neepasary to submit a motion upon the subject. Sir G. GREY said that the Hon. Member's impres sions as to what took place elsewh-re were quite correct. The Hon. Member hal confined his objections principally to two—namely, !he management clauses and the esta blishment of Moeller House. As to the first, it was the duty of the eievernment to have ample security fit the due man:tgement, of all the school; entrusted to their charge. At the same time, they did not feel thetiase.lves at liberty to interfere in any way with the religious i e . strut ion communicaael, nor in any respect wide the p ineiples which regulated the Church schools. The lion. Member was in error as to sum of his st atemsnts. Tae constitution of many of the Church schools was con iidered to be most effective. It wis !bought essential by the. Committee of Council in 1845 to take security against the defective c mstituti in of maey of thoie schools. They prepsred a report which they submitted to the National S )ciety. A correspondence subsequently took place on the subject bstween the National Com mittee, the National Society, and the Committee of Council of Education. The Committee of Council hal shown every disposition to me. t all the objections that had been urged to the details of those management clauses. They, however, felt it essential that the two elements should be combined, and that the laity should act together with the clergy in the management of there schools. At the same time they felt no appre hension whatever as to any infringement of the rights of the clergy to the exclusive charge of the religious edu cation in these schools. He believed that the Committee cif Council were sup footed so far by a large body of the clergy who did not approve of the views of the Com mittee of the National Society. He wished to ask the Hon. Member whether he apprehended the mixture of the laity with the clergy to be dangerous to religion. He thought that the opinions entertained by a large portion of the members connected with the National So ciety upon this subject were somewhat extravagant. The House should be aware that if the views of those oppo nents t r the system were adopt el they would be alto gether destructive to any wide-spread system of educa tion, for the encouragement of which the Parliamentary grant hal been obtained. The test required by the Committee of the National Society, and which was at once assented to by the Committee of Council, was, that this education should be placed under the management of members of the Church of England. In regard to Moeller-hall, be could not concur In the apprehensions expressed by the petitioners. It must be remembered that this establishment was, after all, but a normal school for the education of two classes of schoolmasters—the one class for prisons, the other for workhouses. These schoolmaster; had not been exclusively taken from mem bers of the Church of England. In regard to prisons, for some years past they had experienced a difficulty in finding schoolmasters; they, however, at length suc ceeded in getting them from Glasgow and other places in Scotland, and these were now exercising their avoca tions in prisons in this country. These persons had never been brought up in the principles of the Church of England. The same might be said in regard to the schoolmasters for the workhouses. It never was made a general rule that these should be members of the Church of England; he therefore thought that the ob jections urged by the petitioners against this system were treat untenable. Lord J. MANNERS hepel the House would allow him to refer to one or two points of that question chro nologically. In 1839 there had been a discussion be tween the Church schools and the Committee of Privy Council. In 1840 there had been a concordah It was not until 1847, when those clauses were rendered com pulsory on the schools in connexion with the Church, that any dissatisfaction had prevailed. In the spring of 1847 the, Ministers had proposed a great extension of the educational system of this country. That extension had been strongly resisted; and if they had not been staunchly supported in that House by Churchmen they could not have carried out their proposition. There had been no intimation then that a compulsory enactment was to take place. Yet rumours having gone: abroad that soms such thing was in contemplation, be had on: the 12th of July in that year of 1847 put a question to the Noble Lord at the head of the Government on the subject. The answer he had received had been to the effect that the assurance given to the late Primate of England would not be departed from. Yet it had been afterwards found that the minute of the Privy Council, by which those rules were to be made compulsory, bore date the 28th of June, 1847. He would ask what good it could be for the cause of civil and religious liberty that a lay ma❑ or a clergyman either should keep certain clauses for the government of their respective schools.—(Hear.) But the Right Honourable Gentleman said a great number of the c!ergy aeproved of those clauses. Now he did not object to that; bet what he did object to was this, that the same liberty was not given to those who did not approve of the clain.ec a 3 to those who did.— (Hear.) It was said they might or might not take the money. Was the great question of education to be met in that way?—(Hear.) The petitioners in the present case did not pray for the abolition of the Committee of Council, all they asked was that they should not inter fere with the religious education of the people of this country. lie would put it to the Liberal Members of that House whether it was an unreasonable demand which he made on behalf of those for whom he pleaded, that they should have freedom of instruction. They could not long successfully refuse such a requisition. He only asked them on the other side for that which they asked for themselves, and which they had always main tained as th it just rights.—(Hear ) Mr. ADDERLEY said it would seem from what the Right Hon. Baronet the S. cretary of State for the Home Department had said, that the Church would wish to arrogate to it.elf the right of educating the people. He did not think that such was the feeling which prevailed. He thought it was very unjust that, if they wished for their own system of management, they should be de prived of any share in the public grant. After a few words from Mr. PLUMXTRE, Mr. P. WOOD said he did not think the Right Hon. Baronet had treated the National Society fairly in refer ring to the memorial to which he had alluded. That me morial would give rise to the impression that the great majority of the Churchmen were not in favour of granting any money to the Dissenters. Such was not the case. The public money was taken from all classes, and for matters of education they were bound to distribute it equally amongst all classes. It was not fair to read to the House, as the general opinion of the body, a memorial which had only emanated from a few. Neither was that the opinion of the National Society. There was no objection on the part of that society to lay interference; but they were of opinion that perfect freedom should be allowed to all parties. They hal no objection to the clauses, but they asked that others should be permitted to adopt them or not, just as they pleased. But the great difficulty had ari-en from the fact of the Committee of Privy Council having come to the resolution to oblige every one to adopt these resolutions; otherwise they were not to get a grant for their schools. That was what the Natiot al Society objected to; they could not agree to the clauses having been made compulsory. A great constitutional question was involved in that discussion. They were paying large sums of money every year into the hands of Government, and they would be larger still, and the Council could come to a decision, from which there was no appeal, as to the administration of those funds. It was not wise in such a case to lay down pedantic clauses. The Committee had now pupil-teachers and certified masters, and he hoped to see such in most of their schools. Those who contributed oae-third of the funds claimed to have the entire management of everything. That was what would not be submitted to. Lord J. RUSSELL thought that the Honourable and Learned Gentleman had not fairly represented the Privy Council when he said that they undertook to regulate everything. They had come to an agreement in 1840 with the archbishops and bishops, by which their grants were to be regulated. The inspectors were to be named in conjunction with the archbishops, and they were not to exercise their office without the consent of the bishops; their reports were to be sent to the bishops. The objec tion made to the Privy Council was not such as the Hon. and Learned Gentleman had stated it; but it was to the interference of the Privy Council in any way—it was maintained that any person who applied for a grant was not to be bound by any claims whatever. In schools that belong' d to the Church of England, the religious educe tion was under the clergy and the bishop, and the bishop might exclude any books on religion of which he did not tapprove, or he might object to the master or mistress on hear.)haro of unsound religious teaching.—(Hear, He then came to the uestion of secular teach inl4. The Committee consisted q of laymen and clergy men,sec and a difference arose . If a difference arose as to tiler teaching , st then it ;as said the ' appeal should be to the bisho Such a regulation the Committee thought did not tend ne to the r fficient management of the schools. The privy Council desired to tea laymen u n it e d with cle rgy me n on it was insisted ht.:h question of education ; but w h en school, then the to Coun7l purely religious t e achi ng i n a declared th a t th e p art i es desi rous to establish such t a school mus t p rov id e f or i t ex clusively out of their own made funds. It was hi s opinion that the Privy Cou nc il no unreasonable proposi tions; and so he thou g h t it would be shown w h en an inquiry took place into this subject next year. H o be lieved great good had been done by the the sake of the Church f E, g l and itselr, h ants; and for well that this system of education sh uld be ete thought it i Ttinued i Mr. R. PALMER thought it was well question should now bo distinctly understood. F ears were ex cited by what was now going on. H e b e li eved the It man Catholics and Dissent , rs were as much inte res t e d in this Tr stion as the membors of the Church of E ng . land. It was a que7om of liberty—the power o f pa ties teaching the children under their cete in th at way in which their religious convictions might be secure. Choy should take care to do nothing which would . pre vent or impede the voluntary efforts for education in this country. 'They should do nothing to nit-I.:ere . with schools especially intended for religions education.— (Hear.) They ought not to exclude schools that were under clerical management, To do this was, in his opt nion, in the highest degree impolitic. They forced the National Society to open subscriptions for establtshiog clerical schools. The true rule was not to be exclusive. Mr. W. J. FOX coincided in so much in what the Hon. Member who had last spoken, that it would save him from saying much on this questioe. He thought that freedom of action should he given to all labouring to promote education. The best mode of administering THE SUN, LONDON, 'RID AY EVENING, JULY 5, 1850. the grant was, in his opinion, on the report of the instructors as to the number of children properly educated. _ Mr. HENLEY, who rose amid cries of "Divide," said, what the public complained of, and justly com plained of, was the departure from the principle laid down in 1839 and 1840. The present mode pressed with great hardship on the smaller agricultural parishes.— (Divide.) He was glad that the Government had con sented to the question undergoing a searching investi-, gation, and was sorry that the Noble L ird et the head of the Government should have expressed his regret that the Church of England re.ieived three-fourths of the grant.—(Divide.) At that late hour he should not trouble the House with any further observations. The vote was then agreed to. The areeldruents to the Charitable Trusts Bill were considered and agreed t The second reading of the Oath of Abjuration (Jews) Bili was fixed for Thursday, the 18th July. Oa the motion of L ird J. RUSSELL, the Lord-Lieu tenancy Abolition (Ireland) Bill was ordered to be com mitted that day three nuont,hs. A ritniiar motion was agreed to with respect to the sec ind reading of the Wools and Forests Bill. Lord DUNCAN prote led against the mode in which the Bill hail been proceeded wi,ll. He had not m wed for the re-appointment of the C immittee on the subject on the understaeding that the Governount wouhl pro ceed wiih the Bill. He should take an early oppor tunity of calling the wtentiou of the House to the question. L yrd J. RUSSELL fedi he had till lately intende3 to proceed with the Bill, but the length of the debates on other questions, aud the number of amendments on etas, gave no hope of the Bill heiiig pa sod this session. HOME-MADE srimr,s. IN BOND BILL. Lord NAAS having moved TLesecondr:;aiiTigof this Bill, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that he felt it to Lon his duty to oppose this Bill on a former occasion, and he would, therefore, on the present occasion, take the sense of the House on the second reading, as he considered that it was his duty to express his opinions at present more fully than he had done on a former oc casion, as ho considered that the claim of the Scotch and Irish distillers was anything but just. He must say that he did not think that the Scotch and Irish dis tillers had any claim to pay a less duty than they were now paying. They had, in fact, a great deal of indul gence extended to them in their spirits being allowed to remain in bond, without any pressure on the part of Government for the pay men; of the duty. He felt that it was extremely disagreeable that one system should prevail in Ireland and Scotland and another in England. The duty was now uniform.—(Hear, bear.) It was ad mitted in evidence before a Committee that it was im possible to charge the duty on spirits in England in any other manner, and that was the statement of the greatest distillers of this country. It the present system of levy ing the duty was departed from to suit the Scotch and Irish distillers, the greatest inconvenience would be the result, and he therefore thought it would be unfair to do that in regard to those two countries which would he prejudicial to the interests of the distillers of England. He was enabled to state that the English distillers had made tie strongest representations to him that such a course, if acted upon, would be extremely unjust to them. He had stated before that there was not the slightest similiarity between the two cases. The ground on which the Bill rested was, that the introduc- Lion of colonial spirits had injured the home producer, and that it theref 're operated prejudicially to his jute rests. If this were so, the proper course would have been to have brought forward a motion either to re move the duty on home spirit, or to raise the differen tial duty on rum. But this was not done. In order to show that the introduction of colonial spirits had not had the effect suggested by the promoters of this Bill, he wculd read tue following statistics : —ln 1847, the Trantity of rum consumed in Ireland and Scotland was 558,000 gallons. In 1849, the quantity was 432,000 gallons, showing a reduction in the consumption of this article, of 126,000 gallons—a tact which fully premised that no injury was produced to the home producer by the introduction of colonial spirits—and this fact was fully established by the fact that while the quantity of h3me• made spirits consumed in this country, in 1847, was 12,230,000 gallons, it rose in 1849 to 13,908,000 — thus showing an increase in the consumption of I,67B,ooo.—(Eiear, hear.) Upon these grounds, there. fore, he moved that the Bill be read a second time that day six months. Mr. WYLD moved that the debate be adjourned. Mr. FORBES MACKENZIE opposed the adjourn ment. After a few words from Mr. Roche. Mr. Bass, and Mr. Reynolds, who complained of this effort on the part of the Hon. Member for Bodmin to deprive the sup plrt,.rs of the measure of a discussion on it, the House divided, when there appeared— For the adjournment 95 Against it 135 Majority 40 This result was loudly cheered by the supporters of the Bill. On entering the gallery we found Mr. F. MAULE contending that this Bill was a dis tiller's measure, and the feeling of the people of Scot land was against it. The tendency of the Bill was to make whisky cheap, and the effect of this was to fill their gaols and workhouses with thieves and paupers He hoped the returning good sense of the House would induce them to reject the measure. Lord J. RUSSELL said, it was quite evident that the last division proved that the feeling of the House W 43 in favour of that stage of the measure. He would not further oppose it then. At the same time he begged to say that the Government had still the same o'tjection to the measure, and that they would opposa it in a future stage.—(liear, bear.) The DI! was then read a second time, and Lord NA AS moved the committal of vie BM for to• morrow (this day.) The other orders of the day we .e then di,posed o', and the House adjourned at a Quarter to Two o'clock. HOUSE OF LORDS, July 4. Their Lordships' assembled at Five o'clock. Tne Earl of LONSDALE presented a petition against ,he Metropolitan Interments JUDGMENTS (IRELAND) BILL. This Bill was read a thii.d atria) and passed. POLICE IMPROVEMENT (SCOTLAND) BILL. This Bill was read a third time and passed. COURT OF SESSION (SCOTLAND) BILL. This Bill was read a third time and passed. SIR ROBERT PEEL. The Marquis of LANSDOW'NE, after laying on the table certain papers relating to the subject of education. said, I will now, with the permission of your Lordships, take the liberty of asking the attention of your Lord ships for a few moments to a subject which I am sure is present to the minds of all of us.—(Hear, hear.) I have to request your Lordships' attentio❑ while I for a few moments diverge from the usual course of your Lordships' proceedings.—(Hear, hear.) It is quite true that if we look around this House we do not per ceive any loss that we have recently suffered, there is no important personage absent from his place here, there i no great blank in this place. But wo are all aware of, and we all deeply deplore, a great and a lamentable loss which has occurred in another Assembly with which we are connected with many and most intimate ties—(llear, hear)—ties and relations both political and per sonal so numerous that we may be said to breathe the same atmosphere. To that Assembly there has befallen a great calamity, a great personal loss which has been deeply felt by that Assembly.—(hear.) And extraordinary, indeed, would it be if the deep voice of sorrow which has been heard throughout that Assembly did not find any echo here.—(Hear, hear.) This is not the time to sit in judgment on the political conduct or the public actions of any great statesman who has at the present moment been suddenly withdrawn from us.—(Hear, hear.) Posterity alone can judge of these, and to that judgment they will be submitted, and those who sit in judgment on them will be be:ter qualified, from their distance from the scene of action, to contemplate them calmly and without prejudice. But. my Lords, we are called upon to pay our tribute of respect to the memory of a great public man, who has been suddenly called from us, and to whose unwearied labours in the public service we have all of us been witnesses. We are called upon to add our ex pression of sympathy to that public expression of sympathy which, unasked, unsolicited, unthought of, emanating from all classes of society, has been attending —I wish I could add cheering —the dying moments of the public statesman.—(Hear, hear.) That feeling, unmixed by any thought of political opinion, is I am sure entertained by your Lordships no less deeply than by every other class of the community.—(Hear, hear.) I can only say that it has been my fortune, in consequence of my prolonged life, to assist at the commencement and at the development of the career of him whom I must now unfortunately call the late Sir Robert Peel. I wituessed his first exertions, I witnessed the whole of that career that has prematurely ended for more than forty years, and I can bear witness that that career has been distinguished by an unmitigated zeal, exclusively devoted to public objects, and by a life devoted to the service of the state.--(llear, hear.) And I am sure that your Lordships will join with me in an expression of sympathy and condolence which I believe is felt by all the people of this country.—(Hear, hear.) Lord STANLEY then rose and said—Great as un doubtedly is the public loss which has been sustained, and deep and universal as is the sympathy which has been manifested by the whole country at the calamity which has just befallen us. I hal n t anticipated that in this Howe, of which Sir R. Peel was not a member, the Noble Marquis would have felt it necessary to have called for any public expression of fooling, or even have adverted, as ho has done, to that lamentable occurrence. But as the Noble Marquis has adverted to the case, I must not deprive nape f of the melancholy gratification of stating how fully and entirely I participate and sym pathise in those sentitiaents which bay,i been so feelingly expressed by the Noble Marquis.—(Hear, hear.) The Noble Marquis has truly said that this is no time to cri ticise the public acts of a FuMic man, snatched from hi:. country in the prime of life, and at a period when it might reasonably have been expected that m any years yet re mained to him for devoting to the public service those great abilities that unfl.nchin„e zeal, that unwearied to havehasatperiods r, b h n ar . the colleag ue _the humble colleague—of th e l a t e Si r R. Peel, s a d i t has br;l.3lmy deep regret that durin g the last fou r years o df life i I have been separated from him by a conscientious .-con scientious, I am sure,on nth aides—on of mat tersopinion of public policy. I t is a—on with equally importantdp that I know that that diff erence of opinion p e r e ev a regret d r t e o t the very lest hour of his life; but it is a satisfaction to me personally to know that whatever little differences of opitnon there may have beets between us, there has sub sisted no p trsonel hostility on either side. lam confi dent there has been none on mine. —(Hear, hear.) I have never been one of those who attributed unworthy motives for a course of conduct which I deeply lenient. I believe that in that step which reduced me to the paitirul necessity of differing from Sir Robert Peel's Administration_l believe that in that step he was acts sled by a sincere and conscientions desire to attain that which he thought was for the country's good; and mistaken as I think he was in that view, I am confident th it on that occasion, as on all other occasions, that was the leading principle of his , public life. I believe that to the promotion of what he c misidered to be the welfare and interest of the country he was prep tred to make every sacrifice—(Hear)—and that indeed in some cases he did make sacrifices so ex. tensive that I hardly know whether that great and para mount object of his country's good was suffilient to ex act such sacriicee f.om any public men. But this is not tie time to speak of dttf •renc,s or disa;reements. A great man, a gr., at st ttestra , , his passed sway from among us by a sudden and ioscrut ible dispensation of Providence. He has left ie the other LI ruse—he his let among his corn peers e has It ft in his country, a great void. 'We are cleprivei of the services of a great, a powerfu!, and a laborious intellect—,f his untl nehing diligauce—his unsparing epplicati.m of all his bast talents—of his strength, his health, and all his great, powers, to the s =rviee of his country. This, my Lee's, is a moment at which all political considerations must coast', and at which the most solemn feelings must im press themselves on your Lordships' minds of the vani y o f all haman hopes and of all human ambition—of the in. t tbility of tlause things on which the destinies of na tions d pond, and ut which it is not unfitting to reeve n. kr that we are in the hands of one who "rules the de., tinies of men for ever and ever."—(flea-, hear.) Ia n sure that in these views I shall be joined by every m m ner of your Lordship,' Rouse—l am sure that I shall be joined in them by the country at large—l am sure that I shall be joined in them by universal Eerope. I believe that we all participate in a feeling of the? regret for the sudden bereavement which his family has sustained, and the great toss which has been inflicted on this country by the sudden removal of one who in private life was universally admitted to have been strictly irreproachable and possessed of every virtue; and to whom, whatever may have been the differences of our political views, no man will deny the praise of having been an able, a zeal ous, and a conscientious.servant of his country.—(Hear.) Lord BROUGHAM said—l hope I may be permitted, with my Noble Friend who last addressed your Lord ships, to linger for a moment on a point on which no difference of opinion can prevail among us. It was my , fortune during the last 40 years to have been very gene rally opposed to the late Sir Robert Peel on those great questions which agitated this country throughout that period; and I have live 1 to acknowledge cheerfully and conscientiously to acknowledge, the splendid merits of that eminent individual, and to be convinced that even on those points on which we most widely differed he acted from the purest and most conscientious motives. In the last stage of his public life, chequered as it was, and chequered as I told your Lordship that it would be, by events of a kind most painful to an amiable, a generous, and an honourable mind, when, from purely public-spirited views, he adopted acourse dis pleasing to those with whom he bad so long been con nected, I said, and I now repeat it, that he had only to turn from the storm without to the sunshine of an ap proving conscience within. Whether he was right, or whether he was wrong, upon that occasion, lam sure that the course which he followed was that which he believed the interests of his country demanded, while, in pursuing that course, he male sacrifices compared with which all the other sacrifices I have ever known to have been made by a public man to a sense of duty sink into absolute nothingness.—(Hear, hear.) He is now gone to reap the just rewards of his merits and his patriotism; and I believe we may not inappropriately apply to him the words of the great Roman orator:— " Omnibus, qui l atrium conserveriut, adjuvarint, auxerint, certain ease in ccelo definitum locum, übi beati sevo sempiterno frauntur, nihil est enim ills principi Deo, qui omnem Inane mundum reget, quod q'sidem in terris fiat, acceptius, qua n concilia, ccwusque hominum, jure sociati, (lux civitates appellantur: harum rectoret et conservatores hints proteeti, hue revertuntur." The Noble and Learned Lord was then about to address the House on the subject of the proposei exhibition in Hyde-park, when The Duke of WELLINGTON, with eyes suffused with tears, and a voice tremulous with emotion, pro • ceeded to address their Lordships to the following effect: —My Lords, I rise to express the satisfaction with which I heard the language just used both by those who had throughout the whole of their political lives been opposed to the late Sir Robert Peel, and by those who had acted with him until within a recent period. Your Lordships have borne your testi mony to the high and honourable character of the late Sir Robert Peel. I was long con nected with him in public life, and in conducting her Majesty's councils ; and I had also the honour of en joying his private friendship. My Lords, during the whole course of my acquaintance with him, I never knew a man animated by a more earnest love of truth, a stronger sense of justice, or a more invariable desire to promote the public service. —(Hear, hear.), In the whole course of my communications with him I have never known an instance in which he did not show the strongest at:aehment to truth ; and I never, in the whole course of my transactions with him, saw de smallest reason to suspect that he stated anything that was not eensistent with the fist. I could not snow this opportunity to pass by without thus stating what I believe to have been the most character istic feature in his charact r, and without expressing :ny satisfaction at hearing the sentiments uttered by Noble Lords around me, and at finding the impressien made on your Lordships by the announcement of this loss.—(Hear, hear.) The Duke of CLEVELAND said he happened to have entered the University of Oxford a few months after the lat t Sir R. Peel. He had ever since had the advantage of enjoying his friendship, and he had enter tsined the most extreme regard for the Right lion. Baronet, while he looked upon him as one of the greatest ornaments of this country, and as one of the most emi nent and successful of our statesmen. THE PROPOSED EXHIBIFIOT OF WORKS OF INDUSTRY IN HYDE-PARK. Lord CAMPBELL presented a petition from a gen tleman of the name of Eiger, an architect, complaining of the great depreciation of property which had taken place in the neighbourhood of Knightsbridge, in conse quence of the proposal to hold in the adjoining portion of Hyde-park the exhibition of the works of industry of all nations in the year 1851. The Noble and Learned Lord elso read a letter from Mr. Justice Cresawell, stating the great annoyance to which the adoption of that proposal would expose the residents in that dis riot. Lord BROUGHAM then rose and said, he had re eeived remonstrances couched in the strongest language against that pro )oaal from 80 most respectable persons residing at Knightsbridge. The private individuals re siding in that neighbourhood had constructed, at their own expense, Richmond Gate, a very beautiful structure; and that gate would he ore of the principal pecans of access to the exhibition. lie had never met any person who was not connected with the board or with the com mission who had hesitated a moment in expressing the strongest indignation and astonishment at the attempt which was now about being made to destroy public pro perty, and t) invade and infringe upon the sacred rights of private individuals.—(liear.) He would ask what right had those persons who were going to build, what he was about terming a great Tower of Babel—(Laugh ter)—but what he might designate an Egyptian Pyramid —(Laughter)—wh At right, he would ask, had they to do so? They would cut up the roads in ,the neighbour. hood of the proposed building in such a manner as would make it impossible for the inhabitants to reside com fortably under the shelter of their own roof;. \deny hundreds of thousands of tons of materials were to be drawn about there ; and they were told that no less than 400 large carts would be erepl,yed daily, and 'or some portions of the day 100 of these would be en tering the gates at the rate of one every minute and a half. The inhabitants called upon their Lordships to protect them from these nuisances. And all this was to take place in addition to the ordinary traffic. The erec don of an immense steam-engine, too, was a matter of course. But that, they were told, would consume its own smoke. It would be very soon found, he feared, as in a great many similar instances, that its own smoke would be only partly consume:. But what would be the conseq maces of having such countless congregations of multitudes o; suspicious characters, to the Belgrave, the Kensington, and the surrounding districts. He looked at that part of the question with serious alarm. The Government was responsible for the public peace. He was told that in a financial point of view there were great difficulties. He would ask whether it was intended to let the speculators rely on their own resources, or whether a grant of public money was to be given to aid them ? He had no doubt the public money would, in the end, be required for that purpose. d hn a F b r o a u n t c l e B , , i o n o in When a great the build here would while uh aldm ip t that a Eo t cost four times that sum. Instead bring co ns t ruc t e d yw t thheaics which is i n isi d and h o awd notcostp b r e a e p n om e w r o e dr c et t o e t or _ath and plaster, as that was, this was to be built of brick and morter, and was to be, moreover, sur mounted with a great cupola or dome, which, he would venture to say, would cost ten times more than might be calculated. He spoke in an assembly of builders.— sr, and laughter.) Their Lordships must all of them have been, at some time or other, engag e d i n building operations, and could appreciate the expens es attenda ut upon such, especially it there was much super intendence on their parts going on during the built-lie* Lie had on one occasion built a house, and a Noble Friend of his having asked how much it cost, and having been told, expressed his astonishment that it should have cost so little. He hal said that from the time it was commenced until he went to hang up his hat in it (t ty.e a common phrase) he has . never gone n ea r it.— —(Llughtcr.) " (Ya," said his friend, "that must have been the reason that it cost s) little,for had you visited it, you might have been making little alterations here and there that would have made it more expen sive." So it would be in the present instance. The expenses of that building, ho considered, would be enormous. lie would ask whether the superintendents of police had been examined as to the consequences of collecting together such vast masses of pe rsons as were likely to be drawn there from various causes and motives. They were told that there were no less than fro m 70,000 to 80,000 persons in this metropolis without any visible means of subsistence; and if were added to these the vast numbers of persons unemployed, the vast numbers of idlers from London, Westminster, Surrey, as far down as Deptford and Greenwich, and all t o b e attracte d to Hyde-park to see Lords and ladies , and roya l t i es, and remarkable personages; and suppo sing all these indi viduals collected round the greal building in Hyde-park, it would be no small police force that would be necessary to keep order in such a crowd. But that se as not all, for they foun i that already preparations were making for vast crowds coming up from the country. from all the largo and small towns. It would re quire no I, se than an addition of 1,000 or 2,000 to the present pike force of the metropolis to meet that con tingency. Supposing only 1,000 additional men were brought into the force, that would be an expense of 50,0001. ; and if 2,000 it would be 100,0001. Had those expenses been taken into account ? So far as the crowds which were is London at the time of the corona tion, they were all disposed in various places, and .how ever large, the matter was only the ev e nt of a single morning ; but here was a case which would spread over a series of some . months. Several fiae ranges of houses of the neighbourhood were now to be sold in conse quence of this exhibition and its results, while many of those who occup'ed others either wholly or in part were giving notice of removal to soma other locality. Was it ju4t, he would ask, that the inhabitants of this neighbourhood, including as it did so extensive and re spec:l6le a district, should be subjected to this tannoy awe and inconvenience, not for a couple 0; d Lys, but for many mos ths? From Al ty• to November that great, that gigan'iu, that unbearable nuisa nce was to go on. The ric x, question which arose, was as to the right to do what was proposed. No doubt, strictly f.p ,alting, the property of the parks Was vested in the Crowe, or rather in the Commissioners of Woods and Forests for the Crown. But he considered that since as arrange went had been made on that subject, no Sovereign, or no hoard, hail any right to assert an exclusive property in them. Weea George 11. esked Sir R deert Walpole what might be the a xpense of enclosing some of the park that independent Minister hail replied that it would not cost much—that it would only cost a crown; and so the notion had not been attempted to be carried out. It had been said, however, that the proposed buildings were to he but temporary. But that was taking away the rights of the public for a certain time. It might be, indeed, that they intended only to erect a tem porary building; but it might afterwards be thought a pretty structure to look at, and they might not wish to pull it down. But, speaking on behalf of the public, he would say—" To take my close from me for eighteen months or two years, to build upon it; and to cut down nine of my best trees—it is an injury to me to take them from me." He was then talking of a right of usage of' which the public could not be deprived. But there was another question which they had to consider. He had presented a petition that evening to their Lordships, which stated that what was about to be done was illegal. It might be said that that was only a petition. But he would ask them whose name was at the head of it? Why, that of no less a person than Mr. Justice Cress well. He had heard that that matter was likely to be made the subject of an injunction in the Court of Chan cery, and that before many hours some steps would be taken in it. It had been said that it would be illegal to erect permanent buildings in Hyde•park, but that tem porary ones might be erected without an Act of Perlia meat. He confessed he did not understand how such a conclusion as that could be arrived at. He spoke of the proposed building as a nuisance. And the pulling of it down, supposing that it was pulled down, would also contribute to increase the nuisance and inconvenience to such an extent as no one who had not been in the vicinity of a great brick and mortar building in process of removal could form any conception of. So far as the subject of cartage was concerned that might be discussed in the Committee for which he intended to move, if he obtained it. He had then stated all that he thought it was necessary for him to mention to their Lordships in calling their attention to that subject. He was not un favourable to the proposed exhibition, he thought much good might result from it. He agreed with the Commis sioners when they said it would be a pity to give it up after having so far committed themselves. He should be sorry that the exhibition should not go on, but if it were to go on as proposed in Hyde-park, he would be prepared to accept the alternative, however much he might regret it, of not having it at all sooner thaa it should take place there. He had then, in conclusion, only to move that the petition which he had presented, signed by Mr. Justice Cresswell and others, should be referred to a Select Committee of their Lordship!. Earl GRANVILLE said, although it was obvious there were other Noble Lords present more competent to reply to the speech of the Noble and Learned Lord who had just addressed the House than he was, yet as ho was connected both with the Government and the Commissioners of tae Exhibition of 1851, he trusted he would be permitted to make souse observations in reply to the speech of the Noble and Learned Lord.—(Hear.) And first, with respect to the part which the Govern ment had taken in reference to that exhibition. He could only find three acts in which they had come forward. That exhibition had been suggested four or five months before the end of the last year by the Society of Arts; and an application had ' been made to the Govern ment to assist it by engaging the confidence of the people of this country, and giving such pledges as they could rely on. The Government accordingly had recommended the appointment of a Royal Commis • sion, and had undertaken to pay the trifling expenses attendant on the formation of such a Commission. Tne members of that Commission had been selected from among persons distinguised in art and science, and in order that the project might be considered rational and not political, from among men of ail parties. Wi , h tha' view the Noble Lord the Prime Minister, the Noble Lord opposite, the leader of the Opposition, the lamented Sir Peel—to whose memory a tribute had just been paid by their L :rdships—as well as other leading personages, bad been appointed eo that Commission. And here be might be permitted to say that he believed the last public duty which the lute Sir It. Peel performed was to attend a meeting el the Commission on Saturday last, only a tew hours before the melancholy accident which led to his death. He felt somewhat encouraged in the state ment.he was about to make, when be recollected he was acting very much on the plan which' that la e lamented Kr ntleman had laid down. He thought the Conynis sioners were not to be blamed, inasmuch as the objections to Hyde-park ass set had all been recently started, and as the 10th George IV., cap. 50, permitted the erection of temporary buildings in that park. As t, cutting down certain tie .s, more importance had been attached to it, in his opinion, than it deserved.—(Hear.) The plan hal been drawn up so as to avoid the necessity of injuring a great number of trees. A difficulty had been found with regard to a sultan clump of young trees and one old one. On the matter being referred to his Noble Friend at the head of the Woods and Forests, he posi tively refused to give up the old tree, but consented to the removal of the clump of smaller ones.—(Hear.) He should now allude to the charges against the Royal Commissioners. Some Noble Lords objected from diffe rent motives to the exhibition itself. To such objections it was not necessary for him to made any answer. The Noble and Learned Lord opposite had to-night admitted for the third time that he approved of the exhibition.— (" Hear," from Lord Brougham.) But as the Noble Lord had from the beginning refused to subscribe to wards the expense of carrying it out, he doubted whether the Noble and Learned Lord had a locus stludi in the matter of the building.—(Hear, hear.) Hyde-park had been given out as the site of the exhibition so far back as July list.—(hear, hear.) As soon as the sits was fixed on it was announced through the newspapers to the public, and through the Foreign•office to other countries. A very ingenious gentleman, a member of the local committee of Westminster, objected to Hyde park, and proposed the Regent's-park; but in April last a requisition was signed by about 600 persons, for a meeting at Chelsea on the subject, and among other names was that of the Hon. W. Campbell, MP. That meeting was called to promote the purpose of the ex hibition, and the requisitionists stated that they con sidered it would be of great advantage to the metropolis, more especially to the west end of it.—(Hear.) Rather more than two months ago the Noble and Learned Lord hims Elf had on three occasions introduced the subject to their Lordships, and though the debate was one which, no doubt, wis extensively read, still no objection was made. Indeed, ho was not aware that any one had sup ported the Noble and Learned Lord in his objection to Hyde•park, either in that House or at any public meet ing. The Commissioners had no desire t ) oppose them selves to any reasonable feeling, and, anxious to ascer tain if they could get out of the difficulty, referred the matter to the building committee. After much consi deration, they reported that the plans could not be adapted to any other site with any possibility of the building being completed within the specified time, and that change of site would ba tantamount t ) an aban donment of the exhibition for another year.—(Hear.) If anything was calcalated to produce further delay, it was the reference of this question at this period to a Select Committee of that House. The chief objection of the Noble and Learned Lord rested on the inconvenience which would be caused to the inhabitants in the neigh bourhood of Hyde-park; but the entire road was to be kept open as usual, and the Commissioner o f W oo d s and FOrests had under his consideratdon a suggestion which, if carried out, would lessen any inconve n i ence the inha bitants might be subjected to. With regard to the traffic that would be caused by the conveying of build ing materials, he believed it would not Neal three weeks' traffic on any of the pads in th e neighbourhood of any of the principal railroad stations in London. Some unnecessary alarm had been excited among the inhabitants of Knightsbridge by the specifications which hail been made on this point. The first paragraph of the report wonld show that the building was to be of a temporary character, and that the mater i als were to be sold. The size of the building, and t h e dome in parti cular, had excited alarm; but if h e m i g h t b 3 allowed to repeat a bad pun, he might say that the doom of that dome had been pronouuced.—(Laughter.) For his own part, as a Commissioner, he should object to the use of brick and mortar in the structure. Something had been said as to the immense concourse of people which would be drawn together in Hyde-park, and as to the necessity of a great increase of the police force. He did not think that a less police force would be necessary if the exhibition was to take place on some common out of town. But the number of police that would be required had b-en ex aggerated. He believed, at the agricultural exhibition that teak place annually, and at which many thousands ae:e.nbled, 100 special constables and nine regular policemen were all that were found necessary to preserve order and peace. It was a refl .xiion upon our artisans who were saving money to enable them to come t ) the exhibition, to suppose that they were per sons likely to create disorder and tumult.—(Hear, hear.) During Whit Monday last no fewer than 30,000 persons had gone through the British Museum without ans - thing occurring to require the interference of the police.—(Hear, hear.) He believed it would be a gr ea t disappointment to the working classes of this country if the exhibition was postponed or abandoned. Having sent to foreign countries inviting them to appoi▪ nt com missions to further the objects of the exhibition it would be almost a national disgrace if eve , were now to disap • point them. Not wishing to interfere by unnecessary delay in carrying out the exhibition, he,implored the House not to refer the matter to a Select Commi▪ ttee. After a few words from Lord BROUOHABI and Earl Gaits on a point of order, I Lied CAMPBELL said he rose to state why he sup ported the in n'iou, and why ho should vote for it if pressed to a division. He should have been better pleesd if the Noble nod Learned Lard had at once moved an address to the Throne, praying that the site in Hyd park might not receive the sanction of the Crown. But the motion of the Noble teed Learned Lord was to refer the petitions on the table to a Select Committee. He did not blame either the Government or the Commis sioners. Ile blamed no one for what hid been hitherto done, but he should blame them if—after the matter had been so fully discussed, and the lamentable consequeeces pointed out which must arise—they persisted in not abandoning Hyde-park as a site for the proposed exhi bition. Such an exhibition, embracing, as it would, specimens of the industry of all nations, was, he ad mi•te I, most laudeble, and weuld confer the highest honour on the illustrious individual oho had prop ace I it.—(Hear.) The Government had done nothing more then their &sty in causing a Commission to be i eu.ld. lie did not blame the Commissioners; but he though'. they might have anticipated a lit•le soon-r the lament able consequences that wool I arise from c aryl ,g out the p:an th.y ha I pro:posed. It wis evident feern tar •ir re• port, that they were not taw me of the that w ould f,itow it the site of the exhibition test, t r be in llfol.•perk They del not appear to hay: conai&r,-0 the injury that would Le? done to the inha'ait iota of' the neighbourhood by Ilytle-ea , k being chosen as tee sit of rho exhibition, for they ststel it was limeys iiten:ied a means of recreation and unj , yrueut for her :AJetty's subjects. Dad they suppose that the bivouacs, nod the monstrous machines moving to and feu with building sn'it edit! w sold conduce to the recr•ation on 1 enjoy meat ef the people? The Noble Lord who hail just sat down said that brick and mortar would not probably be used; but could an immense structure, such as that proposed, with a dome much larger than St. Paul's, be erected in Hyde-park without a great deal of traffic and annoyance to the neighbours? Could such a structure be built without depriving the public of enjoyment and recreation in Hyde-park for a long period of time? He believed that the shortest period for which the public would be so deprived of the tree use of Hyde-park would be two years.—(Hear.) Seven months were to be allowed for the removal of the materials, and that would bring the time down to June, 1852, before the ground was completely cleared. Ac• cording to the specifications the structure was to be of a kind solid as the walls of Nineveh, and were they to be lieve that in seven months it would be wholly removed? Ile could not help thinking that it would have been far better to have selected a site where the structure might have remained and been useful for other purposes.— (Hear, hear.) In fact the whole neighbourhood would be sufferers by Hyde-park being fixed upon. He had received a letter from a gentleman residing in Chesham place, a near neighbour of the Prime Minister, in which he stated that he had occupied his present house for twelve year!, and that he had been chiefly induced to do so by Its proximity to Hyde-park. He stated that if the proposed structure was erected it would be impossible for his wife and children to frequent the park. His (Lord Campbell's) belief was that it would be impos sible for females or children to frequent Hyde park or Kensington-gardens for at least two years. He would not give any opinion as to the legality of the proceed ings which had been adopted, because be might be called on in his judicial capacity to pronounce respecting them. He would, however, suggest to the Commissioners to consult once more the law officers of the Crown be fore they proceeded further. By the 10th George IV., c. 50, a. 23, the Commissioners of Woods and Forests were prohibited from granting any lease of any portion of Hyde-park, either at a peppercoru rent or otherwise. The object of the prohibition was, that the public might not be deprived of the benefit of air, recreation, and exercise. The proposed exhibition would more effectu ally debar the public their enjoyments than any lease which might have been granted of the park for grazing purposes. He regarded the present scheme as in direct violation of the provisions of the Act. It was not far him to anticipate the effect of the in junction which was to be applied for. But even if there were no objection in point of law, there were other reasons why Hyde-lark should net be chosen for the exhibition. With regard to Regent's-park, a covenant prevented the erection of buildings, but had not the pre scriptive right of the public to the enjoyment of Hyde park a force equal to any covenant?—(Hear, hear.) A few years ago it was proposed to erect a church in Hyde-pal k, but the feeling was so strong against it that the design was abandoned. Ile believed that a better site might without difficulty have been found. He should be sorry if the exhibition was abandoned, but it was bet ter that expectations should be disappointed, than that the rights of individuals should suffer or the public be deprived of what they had a right to enjoy. He did not think they should lower themselves in the opinion of foreign nations if, finding the scheme had been somewhat inconsiderately brought forward, they did not persevere with it when they found public opinion against it, as depriving them of rights which they had long enjoyed. After a few words from Lord BROUGU ANI, who said he would not press his motion to a division, Lord REDESDALE expressed his regret !hat the site should have been chosen in Hyde-park. After a few remarks from the Earl of Lonsdale, Earl Fitz William, and Lord Brougham, The Earl of ELLENBOHOUGH said, although he did not concur in the selection of the site, he believed it would be convenient in two respect; it was flanked by the bane Is on one side, and the river on the other. The vicinity of the barracks would be useful in the case of a riot, and the river in the event of a fire. The motion w is then withdrawn. ME TROPOLITAN INTERMEN TS BILL. Lord BIIOUGHANI presented a petition from Wool wich against the Metropolitan Interments Bill, and a similar petition from ceresin undertakers, praying to be heard m:ainst the Bill. The Bishop of LONDON presented a petition from the Metropolitan Sanitary Assectation In favour of the The Earl of CARLISLE then moved that the Bill be committed. Lld BROUGHAM moved al an amendment that the Bill be referred to a Select Committee, and that the petition which had been presented be referred to the Committee. The Earl of ELLENBOROUGII supported the amendment, thinking the Bill could be more conveni ently considered up stairs, inasmuch as it touched matters deeply affecting the feelings of individuals. Considering the late period of the session, however, he should strongly object t) the hearing of any evidence on the subject. Lord REDESDALE and the Bishop of LONDON thought a S dent Committee preferable, provided it did not delay the passing of the measure. Lord BROUGHAM disclaimed any such intention, and The Earl of CARLISLE then assented to the amend ment, and the Bill was referred to a Select Committee accordingly. BENEFICES IN PLURALITY BILL. Lord LY FTLETON moved the second reading of this Bill, the object of which is to make benefices in plurality more contiguous. He was of opinion that they should touch each other at some point, and that the churches should not be more than two miles apart. There was a proviso in the Bill relative to benefices not exceeding 1001. in value. Now he proposed that in the cave of a living under 1001. being contiguous to another, however large, they might go together. The Bishop of LONDON acquiesced in the general principle of the Bill, but considered certain amendments necessary. The Bishop of SALISBURY expressed his concur rence in the measure, which bad been introduced into the House of Commons by a private Member, without. any communication with the members of the ecclesiastical body, or any concert with the Government. He should like to see the holding of pluralities limited to the greatest pos sible extent consistent with the proper performance of the clerical functions. The existing law was no doubt capable of some limitation, for, nevertheless, he could not say that it had been inoperative.—(Bear.) He held in his hand a return showing the manner in which bene fices in plurality had been restricted since the passing of the Ist Victoria, in 1838. At that time the number of non-resident incumbents was 4,307, of whom 1,184, who were not actually resident in the benefices, were never theless performing the duties of their own cures. At the close of 1848 the number of non-resident incumbents had been reduced from 4,307 to 3,094, showing a dimi nution of upwards of 1,200. In 1858 there were only 5,859 resident incumbents, but in 1848 the number had advanced to 7.779, showing an increase of nearly 2,000. In 1838 the whole number of incumbents doing their own duty was 7,043, whilst in 1848 the num ber was 8,898, being an increase of nearly 1,900. In 1838 the residents houses amounted to 7,364, but in 1848 the number was 7,917, showing nearly 600 additional houses. In 1838 the curates of non-resi dent incumbents amounted to 3,078, but in 1848 the number was only 1,908 under any circumstances; whilst the curates of reside n t i ncum b ents h a l increased from 1,725 in 1836 to 2,998 in 1848, being an increase of more than 1,200. He considered this a satisfactory proof that the existing lay was gradually coming into effectual operation.—(Hear.) After a few words from Earl POWIS, The Biil was read a second time. The Earl of CHICHESTER moved the second read ing of the Larceny Summery Jurisdiction Bill. The Bill was to provide a check on juvenile delinquency, and at the same time to afford expeditious and economical pun nishment to juvenile offenders. The Bill was then read a second time, and ordered to be committed on Thursday next. Their Lordships then adjourned. UNIVERSITY INTELLIGENCE. CAMBRIDG n, JULY 4 —At a Congreza•it_nn holden this day tit. folio wing degrees were conferred:— HosortAay, Julisn Henry Charles Face, Trinity College (fourth son of the Earl of West moreland). M.A —C. P. Mil. s, Calm College; J. P. Dykes, T. H. Lister, and W. M. Wray, Ca,harine Hall; W. P. Snell, Downing College. Mr. Shilleto, of Trinity College, was appointed De p❑ty Proctor, in tha absence of the Sensor Proctor, Mr. Middleton; and Mr. Hedley, of Trinity College, Deputy Proctor, in the absence of the Junior Proctor, Mr. Marsh. [ AD VERTISEAIEKT.j—There is no remedy equal to Holloway's Pills for • the cure of Dropsy.—Mr. James Smith, of Oxford -street, Manchester, suffered for years from a dropt sical complaint, his body and legs were swollen to a most alarming extent, and no hopes whatever were entertained of his recovery. He was for some time in the hospital, besides having taken every variety of medicine usually prescribed in such cases, yet all proved useless, and he was pronounced incur able... Holloway's Pills were then resorted to, which soon had the effect of improving his health and reducing the swelling, so that now he is perfectly cured of that direful complaint by taking these wonderful pills.— Sold by all Druggists and at Pro fessor Holloway's Establishment, 244, Strand,. London. PARLIAMENTARY DIVISIONS: (From the Votes and Proceedings of the House of Conanun i a.) THURSDAY, JULY 4. EXHIBITION OF 1851. - Motion made, and Questienproposed," That the Report re specting the proposed Exhibition in Hyde-parkin 1851 be sub mitted to a Select Committee of this house, for the purpose of examination and due consideration of the same; and that the report of the said Select Committee be laid upon the Table of the House, and that the sanction by this House be 1 given to such Report before • any further proceedings on the part of the Commissione rs , w ith regard to the said Exhibi -1 tion, shall be proceeded with or adopted by them :" ' Amendment proposed, to leave out from the word " That" t.) the end of the Question, iu order to add the words " an humble Address be presented to her Majesty, praying that her Majesty will be graciously pleased to give ditecti,ns that no Buildings may be erected in Hyde-park for the purposes of the Exhibition intended to be held in this Country in the year 185 ," instead thereof: Question put, " That the words proposed to be left out stand part of the Question." no lloi!sc divided : I MAJORITY-AYES, 166. Aiber, it. A. Shafts Glyr, G. C. - 31011..36n, S:r W. Ark wri,„ , lit, Ceor.is Greemtll, Gir.,ert Afcrels, David Baiite:, ~ t . I'. Greene, John 11 , .4:'rave, Earl Baring. Sir E. Grey. sir G. O'Brien, Jolla 1 1; i: Mg, TtiotAas G ey, 11. IV. • O'Flalierty, Anthony 1 Barnard, E. G. G o.weinr, Lon' It. Ord, William 11:us, M. T. Hamilton, lieu . . A. Paget, Lo r d A. ..en, w, it. 111. IL:rdcastle, J. A. Palmerston, Via. Berlad , Y, Admiral ii , rris, Richard Parker, John • it , r.i.eley, Henry F. Ilastie, Alexander Patten, W. Boca, Sir R. G. , Ilastie, Archibald Pe, hell, Sir G. iloyl, Jolla 'fate:lol, Jordi Pet°, Samuel Boyle, Colonel Ilitwes, B. Plumptre, J. P. lirax.s:on, 'l'. W. Ilaytcr, W. G. Price, Sir it. Breniridge, Richard dleadlain, T. E. Pusey. Philip Bright, John Henry, Alexander Ricardo, Osman Brotticrton, Joseph • Herbert, H. A. Rice, E. It. Bruce, C. L. C. Hill, Lord M. Itch, henry Busfeild, W. Hohhouse, Sir John Robartes, •'l'. J. Carter, J. 11. Hobhouse, T. 11. Roche, E. B. Chaplin, W. J. Hodges, T. L. Romilly, Colonel Clay, Sir W. Hogg, Sir J. W. Rotnilly, Sir John Clay, James Hopc,:il. T. Russell, Lord John Clive, H. B. Howard, Lord E. Russell, F. C. Cobden, Richard Howard, C W. G. Sanders, George Cockburn, Alex. Hume, Joseph Seymour, Lord Colebrooke, Sir T. Iluniphery, Ald. Shell, It. L. Cowper, W. F. . - .... , Hutt, William Simeon, John Craig, Sir W. G. Inglis, Sir it. Slaney, Robert-A. Crawford, W. S. Jackson, William Smith, Vernon Cubitt, William Jerinyn, Earl Smith, J. Benjamin Currie, Ilaikes Jervis, Sir John : Somerville, Sir W. Denison, J. E. Keating, Robert Spearman; H. J D'Eyncourt, T. Keogh, William Spooner, Richard Dull, James Kershaw, James Stanton, W H. Duke, Sir James King, P. J. Stephenson, Robert Duncan, Viscount Labouchere, Henry Strickland, Sir G. Duncan, George Lacy, Henry C. Stuart, Lord D. Duncombe, Thomas Langston, J. H. Stuart, Lord J. Duncult, John Lasceljes, W. S. Tancred, Henry W. Dondas, Admiral Lewis, G. C. Thompson, Colonel DUlllielS, Sir D. Lindsay, Hon. Col. Thompson, George Du l're, C. G. Lockhart, W. Thompson, Alderman Ebrington, Viscount Lushington, Charles Thornely, T. Ellis, 'John Mackie, John Tufnell, Fleury Elliot, John E. M'Taggart, Sir J. Walmsley, Sir I. Evans, John Meagher, Thomas Wawn, J. T. Evelyn, William J. Mangles, It. D. Westhead, J. B. Ewart„William Martin, C..;.W. Wilson, James Fagan, William Matheson, Colonel Wood, Sir Charles Ferguson, Sir R. .Matheson, Alex. Wood, W. P. Foley, J. 11. Motile, Fox Wyld, James Forster, Matthew Melgund, Viscount Fox, Richard M. Miles, P. W. F , x, W. J. Miles, William Freestun, Colonel Molratt, George Gladstone, W. E. Monsell, William TELTAII- Slbthorp, Colonel Campbell, W. F. MINORITY-NOES, 47. Adair, Hugh E. Fox, S. L. Manners, Lord J. Anstey, Thomas Gaskell J. M. Mailings, J. It. Archdall, captain Gooch. E. S. Newdegate, C. N. Liateson, Thomas Granby, Marquis of O'Connor, Feargua Best, John Henley, J. W. Ogle, S. C. Broadley, li. 1111dyard, R. C. Raphael, Alexander Brown, Humphrey Hildyard, T. B. T. Richards. Richard Buller, Sir J. Y. Hill, Lord E. Rusbout, Captain Burghley, Lord Hope, Alexander Stanford. J. F. Burke, Sir Thomas Hothani, Lord Stuart, J. Cabbell, B. B. lludson, G. Vyse, R. H. Compton, 11. C. Knightley, Sir C. Willoughby, Sir H. Cotton, W. H. Knox, Colonel Wynn, Sir W. Dodd, George Lascelles, E Duff, G. S. Lennox, Lord G. H. TELLTAN. Forbes, W. Lydon, General Hall, Sir B. Fortescue, J. W. Manners, Lord C. Alcock, Thomas Main Question put, " That the Report respecting the pro posed Exhibition in Hyde •park in 1851 be submitted to a Select Committee of this Itinse, for the purpose of examina tion and due consideration of the same; and that the Report of the said Select Committee be laid upon the Table of the House, and that the sanction by this House be given to such Report before any further proceedings on the part of the CJinmissioneri, with regard to the said Exhibition, shall be proceeded with or adopted by them " The House divided: — MINORITY—AYES, 46. Anstey, T. C. Fox, S. L. Manners, Lord J. Archdall, Captain Gaskcll, J. M. Morris, David Arkwright, George Gooch, E. S. Mullings, J. R. Batesou, T. Granby, Marquis of Newdegate, C. N. Breanridgc. Richard Greene, John O'Connor. Feargus Best, John 1111dyar , I, It. C. Raphael, Alexander Broadley, Henry Hildyard, T. B. T. Richards,ltichard Brown, H. HilL Lord E. Rushout, Captain Buller, Sir J. Y. llope, A. Stanford, J. F. Burghley, Lord Ilothatii,"Lord Stuart, J. . .. .. _ Burke, Sir T. J. Cabbell, B. B. Compton, 11. C. Cotton, W. H. Dodd, G. Evelyn, W.V. Forbes, William Hudson, George Vyge, H. R. H Knightley, Sir C. Wynn, Sir W. Kills, Colonel Lascelles, E. Lockhart, W. Lygon, General Manners, Lord C. TELLIES. Sibthorp, Colonel Aleock, Thomss MAJORITT—NO ES, 16;. Adair, Hugh H. Glyn, George Carr Mulgrave, Earl Adair, It. Shaft° Greenall, Gilbert _ O'Brien, J. Baines, M. T. Grey, Sir G. O'Flaherty, Anthony Baring, Sir F. T. Grey, It. W. Ogle, S. C. Baring, Thomas .. Grosvenor, Lord It: Ord, W. Barnard, Edward G. Hail, Sir B. - Paget, Lord A. Bass, Thomas Hamilton, G. A. Painierston, Viscount Berkeley, Admiral Hardcastle, J. A. Parker, John Berkeley, it. F. Harris, Richard l'atten, J. W. Booth, Sir 11. G. Hastie, Alexander Pechell. Sir U. Boyd, John . Hate:hell, John Pete, Samuel M. Buyle, colunei 'levees, Benj. Plumptre, .1. P. Brainston, T. W. 'levier, W. G. Price, Sir R. Bright, John Headlam, I'. E. Pusey, P. Brothertun, J. Henley, J. W. Ricardo, Osman Bruce C. L. C. Henry, Alexander Rice, B It. Buileild, W. Herbert, 11. A. Itioti, Henry Campbell, W. F. Hobhouse, Sir John Robartes, T. J. A. Carter, J. 13. Hobhouse. T. B. Roche, B. It. Chaplin, W. J. . 11044;eA, T. L. Bondily, Colonel Clay, Sir W. Hogg, Sir J. Rolmlly, sir John Clay, James . IL,pe, Henry T. Russell, Lord J. Clive, 11. B. Ilovrard, Lord E. Russell, F. C. Cobden, Richard Howard, C. W. Saiidars, George (loc!,baria, Alex. Hume, Joseph Seymour, Lord Co!el:noise, Sir T. liumphery, Ald. Shell, It. L. Cowper, W. F. Ilutt, William Simeon, John Craig, Sir W. G. Inglis, Sir It. 11. Slauey, R. A. Crawford, W. S. Jackson, William Smith, Vernon Cubitt, William Jermyn, Earl Snlith, John B. Currie, Raikes Jervis, Sr John Soniel ville, Sir W. Denison, J. E. Keating, Robert Spearman, Henry D'Eyncourt, C. T. Keogh, William Spooner, Richard Dull, George Kershaw, J ames Stanton, W. H. Duff, James King, P. J. S.ephenson, Robert Duke, Sir James Labouchere, Henry Strickland, Sir G. Duncan, Lord Lacy, H. C. Stuart, Lord Dudley Duncan, George Langston, J. H. Stuart, Lord J. Duncombe, T. Lascelles, W. S. Tancred, H. W. Duncuft, John Lennox, Lord II G. Thompson, Colonel Landes, Admiral Lewis, G. C. Thompson, George Dundas, Sir David Lindsay, Colonel Thompson, Aid. Du Pre, C. G. Lushington, C. Thornely, Thomas Ebrington, Lord Ellis, John Elliot, John Evans, J. Ewart, William Mackie, John M' Taggart, Sir J. Meagh,,r, Thomas Mangles, It. D. Martin, C. W. Tanen, 11. lvalmsley, Sir J. Wawn, J. T. Westhead, J. P. Willoughby, Sir U. Fagan, William Ferguson, Sir R. Foley, John H. Forster, Mathew Forteseue, J. W. Fox, H. M. Fox. W. J. Freestun, Colonel Gladstone, W. E. 7klatlieson, A. Matheson, Colonel Manic, Fox Meigund, Viscount Allies, I'. W. S. Miles, W. Moffatt, George Monsen, William Morison, Sir W. Wilson, James Wood, Sir Charles Wood, W. P. Wyld, James TELLERS. fill, Lord blaicus Bellew, B. M. COURT CIRCULAR. The Queen and Prince Albert, with the Prince of Prussia, went yesterday afternoon in an open barouche and four to Dulwich College, and inspected the gal lery of paintings. Colonel Buckley and Lieut.- Colonel the H in. Alexander G,:rdon, the Equerries in Waiting, were in attendance. His R.•)yal Highness Prince Albert, attended by Lieut.-Colonel the Hon. A. Gordon, visited their Royal Highnesses the Duke and Duchess of C‘m bridge yesterday, at Cambridge House, and her Royal Highness the Duchess of Gloucester, at Gloucester House. Their Royal Highnesses the Prince of Wales, the Princess Royal, the Princess Alice, and the younger members of the Royal Family, took their usual walking and riding exercise yesterday. A deputation, consisting of Mr. J. Grundy (soli citor), Mr. C. W. Elwell (manager), and Mr. Pering (engineer), on behalf of the Kist Lancashire Railway Company ; and Messrs. E. Shonnoch and J. Eccles (directors), Mr. Perfect (solicitor), and Mr. Flanagan (engineer), on behalf of the Balton, Blackburn, and Clitherue Railway Company, had an interview with the Commissioners of Railways on Wednesday, at the office of the Board of Trade. The Right Rev. Dr. Brady had an interview with Earl Grey yesterday. . . . Me. Tidci Pratt had an interview with the Chan cellor of the Exchequer yesterday. Mc. John Wood, Chairman of the Board of Inland Revenue, had an interview with the Right Hon. Baronet on Wednes day, at his official residence in Downing -street. Two Sisters of Mercy, from Western Australia, had an interview with Earl Grey yesterday, at the Colonial-office. Mr. Gordon had also an interview with the Noble Earl yesterday. The Ecclesiastical Commissioners for England had a general meeting yesterday. The Judicial Committee of the Privy Council sat yesterday, and heard an appeal from the High Court of Admiralty, relative to the Lady Anne. The Lords present were Mr. Baron Parke, the Chancellor of the Duchy of Cornwall, and Sir Edward Ryan. THE NEW NOVEL. " ADELAIDE LINDSAY," edited by the author of •' Emilia Wyndham," &c., is published t.bis day by Mr. I olburn, and may be had at all the_ libra e ti t i o fts i ; Also, now ready -2, Mornings at Matlock, by IL Mackenzie, D.C.L. ; 3, Anne Dysart; or, the Scotch ' Mi nister's Daughter; 4, La Vendee, an Historical Romance, by i of on Anthony Trollope, Etl.; 5, The Story of a an Faibi g; an Historicat or, Sin and Sorrow; Reginald I c i la , 'f s i e n on ' d edition • 7, • rdinal Wobe by R.unance, by Eliot Warburton , Freston Tower; or, th. , Early Days of line of Life, comprising t he stories of Ada Mowbra y and the Rev. It. Cobb.ld , M.A. ; 8, Second C a Series of the Discip ll:; 9, Pa' ages in the Life of Mrs. Maitland, of S S a u isisntyl -sid e, i second edition. Nature never sends a great man into the world, without confiding the secret to another soul.—Eliza Cook's Journal. EXTRAORDINARY TRANSPOSITION IN Music.—At ' one of the principal churches of Pcsth, recently, the perform. ance of The Messiah was appointed fur a charitable purpose. On the morning of the day appointed for the oratorio to be exam , ecl, it was discovered that the organ. had been tuned exactly a semitone too high. This, as might naturally be supposed, would greatly distress some of the principal singers, but how it was to be remelied no onii could tell until the organi , t, a Bohemian by birth, s uggested that he should play the whole oue half note lower, and which he actually effected. Only thorough musicians can appreciate the difficulty of such a task, and the surprise was still greater at the facility of the performance.-,-Lu Monde Musicale.