The Sun. — London, England, 1851-06-07 00:00:00

4 6 8 3 6 3 RACIN FIXT JII, Erith ..................... 9 Epping Town ............ 10 Hampt0n.................. 11 Manchester ........... 11 Coggeshall ............. 11 South well (Notts) ...... 12 Knight0n................. 13 Loo (H011and).......... 16 Bibury .................... 18 S. Lancashire (Newton) 18 JII. Newmarket Carlisle ....... 1 Ludlow Lancaster .... 3 Worcester Liverpool . ........ 9 Kinneil Stamford. .. nsley Ripon Brighton Leominster 6 Wolverhampton ... 11 Huntingdon l2 Reading York UST. Southport Canterbury Stourbridge Derby ....... li ghara ....... L,ina Besides the busineis done at the Mining Exchange, a share in Wh ea l B asset was so ld i n C ornwall on Tues day for 4101, Other sales have been made in Neut.... Car at 10/.; South Frances, 2901.; Tincroft, 41. 10s. to fit ' ' St• Aubyn and Gryils, 4il. shares, Imperial Brazilian, United Alexi . ~ : , :,4,,,, : :,__ . nd_ o S h t John i del Rey have cl:xegredd,hallddeir. r t ' , A . ;' , 04-i. b li sr lo j s n 4el iitay meeting, was made, 'y and 4 ~_. . i . 4. ,_. .. .. • per share (16,J0 . 1 , ,50i1 ..4_,...• :Ma carried to the reserve fund (which now amounts :: , % \ l''' " t ' - tfi't '.lsum 0f'16,650/.), leaving a balance in hand of .. <.. - -t l / 4 7.--I*B ' I 1 7 g. UT. The nett profits for the twelve months' f `,...igge hted been 35,8791 12s. Bd. Ar ,At Use Kinzigthal meeting, yesterday, the report mated. 'at all the mines which had been tried bad dis- Appointed expectations, with the exception of 00 Fre- Owing to this horse having been returned in the Irish Calendar as the winner of upwards of 100 sous we allowed him in our last only 51b ; it appears, however, th ' at he never won a flat race of that value, and is therefore entitled to the 16Ib allowance. j- Should have been described in the Calendar as a ;elding. RES FOR 185 Stockbridge Barnstaple & N. Devon 19 Lenham . Winchester 2O Newcastle Macclesfield ... 24 Maidstone ... 25 Salisbury Ipswich Nottingham Abingdon Chelmsford 22 Guildford Odiham Goodwood Downham Park Knutsford SEPTEMBER. Scarborough ............ 1 Leicester lO Eccles ........ 1 littozeter 16 Lincoln .................. 4 Saudbach 2 4 Radcliffe .............. .......... 8 Bedford Yarmouth Lichfield ... ......... Eglinton Park ... 23 or 24 ............... 9 Manchester Autumn 25 Weymouth ............ .. 10 Newmarket F.O ....... ....00TOBER. Mounaouth ........... 1 i Yorkshire Union H unt 8 Richmond ............... 1 Wrexham Caledonian Chesterfield 1 I Newmarket Houghton.. 27 Chester ... 7 NOVEMBER. Worcester MINING INTELLIGENCE, (From the Mining Journal of this day.) The mining market continues depressed, nor can a fa vourable change be expected without a fresh accession of capital and confidence. The payment of the July dividends will supply the former, but the latter will be of slower growth. A still better organization, also, is required than yet exi s t s i n the lists indicating the value of mining shares. Dividend miner.; have receded in value, in common with the more favourite prospective ones, of which the capitalist will, probably, take advantage, sooner or later, but at the moment invest ments in every description are on a very reduced scale. In the metal market, Copper is in steady request, and firm in price. Lead is very heavy. Tin is unaltered in price; but the Board of Trade returns have caused it to be eornewhat more inquired for, and a rise in price is anticipated; the tone of the market has decidedly im proved. Tin Plates move off steadily; the exports for the first four months of the year amount to 401,0004 in value, against 313,000/. in 1850, and 221,000/. in 1849, the prices of 1849 and 1850 being rather beyond those of the present year. Spelter, but little doing. From Calcutta we learn that the metal market con tinued very dull; the same from Bombay. excepting at both, perhaps, copper, in which some trifling sales had been made, and the price was firm. At New York new sheathing copper and yellow metal were in demand; a good inquiry existed for English and Spanish lead, and iron had been extensively dealt in. At Hamburgh the lead market had undergone little fluctuation; copper was firm, and some dealings had taken place in Barna tin and zinc. The price of gold in bars (standard) was 31. 17s. 9d. per oz.; silver in bars (ditto), ss. oid. per ea.; and new dollars 43. 114 d. per oz. Among the London imports have been —from Ant werp, 101 ingots and 31 casks of zinc, 27 casks of spelter, and 6 casks of copper ornaments; Ghent, 50 casks of zinc; Stettin, 250 tons of spelter; Singapore, 1,281 slabs of tin; Havre, 1,023 copper plates, 17 pks. of machinery; Ostend, 150 ingots of copper. At Hull—from Ham burgh, 1,312 plates of spelter, 25 casks of plumbago; Stockholm, 3,857 bars of iron; Antwerp, 124 ingots and 10 cks. 3 cs. zinc; Gottenburgh, 4,816 bars of iron; itot tertian], 224 pigs of copper. At Swansea—from Haase°, about 280 tons of copper regulus, and 278 bags of silver ore. Esgair Line sold 20 tons of lead ore, at 91. 15s. per ton, on the 29th of May. East Tamar Company sold, on Thursday, 63 tons of silver lead ore, at 141. 45., to the Tamar Smelting Company. The Tamar Silver-lead Mining Company expect to sample to-day about 100 tons of rich silver-lead ore. Greet Wheal Baddern sampled 40 tons of lead ore on the 30th of May. At Cwmystwytb, the sampling of lead ore on the 2d Inst. was about 60 toes. The mine is looking much the same as before, but the water oa the surface is very scarce, causing a stoppage of part of the works. The May monthly sale of tin from "Wheal Trescoll amounted to 391, 93. 9i. There was a further sale this week. A dividend of 201. per share in the Lisburne Mines has been declared. At Wheal Basset meeting, on Tuesday, the accounts showed-Balance last account, 1,174/. 13g. Bd.; copper ore sold 6th March and 3d A pr il , 5,136/. Os. 10d.; tin ores sold from the 27th March to the 3d May, 1,100/. 38. Id.; received of East Basset adventurers for costs prior to separation of sett, 6661. 103. 6J.; and for materials since, 281. Is. Id.; ditto of Grambler adventurers, 2/. 93. 7d...3,107/. 18s, 9,1.-To labour cost fur March and April, 2,037 i. 35.; merchants' bills, 7961. 6s. 4d.; lord's dues, 1-15th, 415/. 14,, I Id. ; c o s t i n sout h m i ne for April, 8/. 15s. 3d.; dividend declared of 10/. per share, 2,5601.: leaves balance to neat account, 2,217/. 19:, 3d. -the profit made on the two months being 2,986/. 193. Bd. At the General Mining Company for Ireland half yearly meeting on Monday, a dividend of 10 per cent. for the half-year was declared. .. At the Perran St. George Mine meeting, on Wednes -Baday.., tdhiteteacleiobunts showed -Mine cos. for Jan., 731/. 103. 3 _2.. 3 e ruary, 387/. 3s. 5d.; 27 (less 1-20th dues and incorn ) 169 1 s. 5c1.-----1,507/. 17s 6d -0' Merchants' bill, &e., income-tax, e t e a r x , ore sil9l. sold 93. March 6 d .). 2,3411. 15s. 11d.; shows a profit of 8331 18s. scl • add balance frees ] a3t ace t ' '' -By dividend of 10sotion' 8891. (5801.): leaves balance to next account, 1,143/ e i r sh l ar d e At West Wheal Jewell.s eotcoial meeting, on Tuesday, it was unanimously resolved c re re s as e e f f l h l e c lo tTital by the issue of 3,715 preference sliina every holder of five shares in the present company*each, every Payment of 103. .rsh re o be entitled to five of them oR on the 24th July, subject to such further instalmentaas m ay be required until the whole 308, is isaid s up, and to theand after that to be be entitled, before any dividends out of the profits are mule, to a bonus of IL 'Perwsihtharpresent shareholders nltninegase the whole numb er of the eh e ll residue have 3 7 placed on an equal fo oting as to dividends, &c. will are no: taken up be then offered, pro b r y ata t , he to 2 t 4 h t o h s e j u w l y hO sub scribed. At the Garreg M i n e mee ting, on T ues d ay, the ac counts showed a balance in hand on Tuesday, th e ac _ of 814/. 14s. Id. iAt Trelyon Consols meeting, counts showed-Balance of last account, 163/. 13. 2(1.; costa for three months, ending ls. 1 Od. ; copper ore March, 770/. 11s. 5 - d. 935 /. Is. 'id.-by tin sold, 43 2 1 . sold, 211/. Gs. 7d. ; carriage of ore, 7; j. 7s. sd. call, 3 00/.95 1 / . Bs. 10d., leaving a b a l ance i n hand, 15/. 161. 3d. A call of ss. per share was made. At a meeting of Wheal Ennis adventurers, ohnSaed_ tur day, th e accouuts for five mouths to end April s ow Mae cost from December to April, 405/. 13s. 10d. ; merchant,,' bills, 230/. 16s. sd. ; balance due to purs er last account, 95 1/. Ils. 4d.=1,5881. Is. 7d.- 3 y call of. 51. per share, 9101., leaves balance against adventurers, 6 0n 78/. Is the . 7d. ; to pay off which, an d f or f u rther prosecu- ti of mine, a call of 5/. per share was made. At the Hale ® a and C ro f t G ot h a ll C o nsols meeting, y 31. each esterday, the aline was di v id e d i n to 10,000 shares of , 2/. per char© to 13® paid, and a call of 1!. in two months, if requi re d . d r e k r t thhee expediencymiee s m eree A moiling of the Derwent Mines Company was held on Thursday, ° tie c o tu b a ta il i y n . ing additional capital, to c trw si o Transactions have this week taken place in South wnY, Butterdon, Tolgus, West Tolgus, Bedford, Trela Devon Consols, .Merliyn, South of Scotland, Wheal Cupid, West Alfred Consols, Alfred Consols, a,nd Las, Pool. The great coat of Gustave was presented to the sub• stitute, and he recognised it. He also said that he re marked that it was torn in the sleeve. In answer to the President Became' said that he could not say whether the rent was caused in the struggle which according to the indictment took place between him and the victim. M. Messines, juge de paix at Peruwels, said that he went to the Chateau of Bitremout, the day after hay ing heard of the death of M. Gustave Fougnies. He (Ina saw Madame de BocareeO, who said, " What a misfortune! My poor brother fell dead from apoplexy after partaking of dinner!" lie afterwards saw the other accused, who had a scratch and a mark on the hand, which he endeavoured to hide under his dressing gown. After having seen the corpse and questioned the servant Etne'ranoe, he went to the Procureur du Roi at Tourney. He exposed the facts to him, and that functionary said," Take care—it disenaeber.oth_er,who dies in a brother's house —act with pru parquet if it neglected i d ceneo i :g,y\ ll o3,a, o irt w t e e v ss er, I will give you a procuration, and if researches you find an grave, let me said, that public opinion would blame the the effeir, and would done so out of regard to the Position of the sa say that tit and d force of that obser4cteie: The Procureur du Rol felt the Countess d e B n, and resolved that he would go chateau of I3itremont, accompanied vv a t e t c t a iv ea a i n int magistrate, h g eatuta t. and the a tt e c clerk. not w te— e li n the t to the csvheatean ?—Madame de Bo wbthyhelet,nhhn e e y ex io s s ubstitute b e d i ir t y d i s t et u t he hat rhyadtranquil, carre6 appeared to me to be o w e e h r troubled a ske d ; f but M. de Bo scratches on his face. Gustave had died, what answer did you receiva_m. , rs car w at i . e w n a y s ,o m u e° Jaocarme said that he had died of an attack of apoplexy. Did the two accused charge You to dissuade Gustave from his carriage?—No, and Ido not think they over talked to me about it. II Did you know Gustav e ? o was my nearest neigh bour. He ofteu said to Lae that the two accused were al way without money, that they were constantly d emand• d that matters would cud ing some from him, an ill between them. He went very rare ly to 1 I3•t reuaont. Ile received numerous little presents from the chateau, but said, "I will never eut anything that is sent me; I w ill eat the strawberries which my servant gathers herself." What was the cause of Gustave's fear cf being poi soned by Bocarme?—Probably it arose from discussions they had had together. What was the re •of the accused in the village? not—That th ey did not pay their debts, and in this respect the Countess wasconsidered as had as her husband. The husband, mand it was said that he had severaleeover, had mis tresses, ln children by different women. e the neighbourhood he was called the he-goat.—(The ac cused smiled, and so - ' therne of the jury laughed.) The pee cuniary;poeition of that they treqtteao ,accused was so embarrassed Y mad e QieditOrd for ora*ll cam wait a ~.{~~ Won SPORTING INTELLIGENCE. WEIGHTS FOR THE GOODWOOD CUP. Age st. lb. Age st. lb. Voltigeur Nutshell Cariboo Beehunter Essedarius Landgrave *Lord George 6 8 14ing Charming ... 36 11 Clincher Russborough Little Jack 4 8 10 Constellation ...... 3 6 10 The Nigger 4 8 10 The To n t ............ 3 6 10 Cossack 4 8 6 / Yo ung Altisidora a 6 9 Officious C by Sir Hercules, 'l'War Horse out ofDark Susan 4 8 liPandernus Melody THE SUN, LONDON, SATURDAY EVENING, JUNE 7, 1851. deric Christian: here the lode had been opened 474 feet —regular, kindly, and producing stones of lead ore; and from the 36 fm. level 3 tons had been raised, and ap pearances were favourable for a rich course of ore in depth. The ores on hand were valued at 3501. An im mense lode of barytes had been discovered in the Clara Mine of very superior quality, traceable on surface 450 fathoms, and 24 ft. wide. There is a market there for large quantities; and it has been calculated by Prof. Maehrlen that by working it, in conjunction with lead from Fredric Christian, snould it be produced in quan tity, the manufacture of white lead would realise a profit of 30 per cent. Whatever may be the results, arrange ments were making for the sale of the barytes. No ex pense is now incurred for a London management, and all the funds strictly applied to mining labour. At the speci a l genera l meet i ng o f t h e Imperial Bra zilian Mining Company, held yesterday, for the election of an audit or , M r . Bl ox l an d was e l ecte d by a majority of 61 above Mr. Cole. THE ARMY AND NAVY. General Sir J o hn Gardiner, K.C.8., the colonelcy of th e VACANT (Fr IChoe Unitd Servi c eLoNELecy.—B)- Gazet te thede cea o so f tohs d f i Lie ay.) Lieutenant 6th Regiment has become vacant. THE NEW CAMBRIDGE SURTOUT.—The scarlet surtout r eos Officers underlis ai e is ne a r t a p l o fo o r n s t i h d e e r u a s i e i o o n f t o n i c o r s the 8 0 0 f a r t h d e a o r f m G y Whitehall. REDUCTION OF THE FORCES IN CANADA.--WO un derstand that the Commander-in-Chief, as well as the officers in command of the troops in the Canadas, have acquiesced in the suggestion of two military stations only being retained in that command—Kingston and Quebec. THE TWELFTH LANCERS. --.Orders have been issued to alter the appointments of this corps to suit the double barrelled fusil, with which they aro to be armed. The strength of the corps is to be altered to about 90. Colonel Chatterton has giren notice that on the 12th June ho will ask the Secretary -at-War if he has made, or intends to make, any arrangement to relieve officers of cavalry from the payme nt f ur forage for their chargers kept for the public service; and also if he has made, or intends to make, any arrangement to grant the officers commanding cavalry regiments the allowance called " command money," which officers commanding infantry regiments have so long enjoyed. SETTLEMENT OF OFFICERS IN THE COLONIES.—A memorandum has just been issued from the Horse Guards which contains some deviations from the terms of settlement in the colonies hitherto in vogue. For in stance, the clause which gave to officers on half-pay, re siding in the colony where they proposed to setrle, all the privileges of military and naval settlers, without re ferring to this country for testimonials, has been alto gether omitted. A clause has at the same time been aided, fixing the upset price of land, at the Cape of Good Hope, at 2s. per acre in the old colony, and 4a. per acre in the district of Natal. Captain Elliott, of the 2d West India Regiment, has succeeded Captain Elwyn, of the Royal Artillery, as Major of Brigade at Berbadoes, Captain Elwyn having become Military Secretary to the Lieutenant-General commanding the troops. Lieutenant Campbell, 34th Foot, has succeeded Lieu tenant Mockler, 2d West India Regiment, as Fort-Ad jutant at Grenada, the latter officer taking the place of Lieutenant Davies at Demerara. Lieutenant H. C. Roberts, of the 41st Madras Native Infantry, is appointed an Aide-de-Camp to Lieutenant- General Sir Richard Armstrong, commanding the troops at Madras. Lieutenant Griffith, of the 46% Foot, is Adjutant at Fort Hare, Cape Colony. Lieutenant G. St. J. Crofton, of the Royal Engineers, has been appointed an Aide-de-Camp to Sir George An derson, the Governor of Ceylon. Lieutenant Slater, 3d West India Regiment, has suc ceeded Lieutenant Lutman, of the same corps, as garrison adjutant at Sierra Leone. Captain Battye, 23d Royal Welsh Fusiliers, has va cared his appointment as aide-de camp to the Major- General Wynyard, c omman di ng the troops in New South 25 26 27 28 Staff Surgeon S. Teevae, ar.D., has succeeded Staff- Surgeon Sinclair on the IDubli❑ recruiting staff. Captain Johnson, of the compass department at the Admiralty, has been ordered to select a compass at Woolwich for the purpose of placing it among other nautical instruments at the Great Exhibition. .RIAL OF THE COUNT AND COUNTESS BOCARME. COURT OF ASSIZES OF MONS.—FOURTH DAY The President took bis seat at half -past nine. Mdme. de Bocarine was first introduced. She appeared per fectly calm, her veil being thrown off her face towards the public, which prevented the spectators from easily seeing her features. M. de Bocarn was next brought in; he appeared f a tig ue d, an d hi s eyes seemed red as if be had been weeping. The President ordered M. lleugbaert to be again called in, and interrogated him on various points of the investgation which he had instituted at the chateau. H. Hubert, Procureur du Roi at Tourney, was next examined. He narrated the circumstances connected with his first visit to Bitremont immediately after the murder, and confirmed the account given of the appear ance of the place by M. Heugbaert. He obtained but little information from the servants, who seemed un willing to avow that they knew anything; the fille de chambre, however, admitted that she had heard cries for help the evening before. The President—You found the shirt of Gustave ? Yes. The President—Usher, show the shirt which lies there to the witness. The witness declared that he recognised it perfectly. The President—Usher, show it to the prisoners. The usher carried it to M. de Bocarme, who said, " I never took any notice of the shirt." The usher then pre sented it to Mme. de Beearrei, who hid her face in her handkerchief and sobbed violently, The paletot of the deceased was next recognised by the male prisoner, and both these objects were handed up to the jury. The witness went on with his testimony, and entered into details respecting the feeling of the prisoners rela tive to Gustave's intended marriage. The prisoners, he said, had evidently done everything possible to induce Gustave to go often to Bitremont. Amongst the papers of the deceased was found anonymous letters anti other papers, and a lease of M. do Bacarrnes property. The President—Show the lease and letters to the pri soners. The prisoners declared that they recognised the lease and some of the letters, but not the anonymous ono which speaks ill of Gustave's intended bride. The witness—Amongst Gustave's papers was also found a power of attorney to enable him to manage the property of M. and Mme, de Bocarer6. I asked them tar what purpose this paper had been drawn up, and the male prisoner replied that it was because he had intended to go with his wife into Germany, and so avoid being present at the marriage. The President, to the male prisoner —What explana tions do you give respecting your conduct on the an nouncement of Gustave's marriage ?—That marriage certainly displeased me, and I determined to go with my wife into Germany. It was for that reason I gave my brother-in-law the power of attorney to act for me during my absence. Lydie Fougnies, was that journey really resolved on? —lt was only a vague idea. M. Francma Ryckman, Substitute of the Procureur du Roi, gave evidence respecting the state of the Salle-1- manger, &c. The Jute d'lnstruction pointed out to him, he said, the bite which the male prisoner had in his right hand, and the contusions on the other. When inter rogated on the point, the male prisoner hesitated, and then said that ho might have been bitten by Gustave or by a dog. When the premises were searched, Gustave's pocket-book, contain ing papers of no importance and a bond for 15.000 f., was found in Mme. de Becarme's secretary. Witness se cured the clothes which Gustave had worn, and it was in the pocket of the paletot that was found the next day the glass stopper of a phial. Did you remark on the wall any marks of blood?—I saw some marks on the buffet, but when the Procureur du Roi first saw the marks on the wall I was no' present. long time, and witness was often obliged to interfere in his official capacity. M. Olivier Cherquefosse, notary of Tourney, after making some objection to give evidence, on the ground that he had been for twenty years the confidential adviser of the Fougnies family, which objection, however, was overruled, said that M. an d M me. de Bocarmd, father and mother of the male prisoner, had directed him to watch over them —not, however, that they feared that they would commit a crime, but because there was a good deal of disorder in their affairs. The President —What do you know about the death of Gustave? -4 or Mme. &cum& Ido not know which, told me that Gustave had dropped down dead, and that he had been carried into a chamber. Did not M. de Bocarme tell you that he had died of apoplexy ?—No, sir. Did you observe any wound on the hands of M. de Bocarmd?—Yes, sir; and he told me that he possibly might have been bitten by Gustave at the moment when he was rendering him assistance. In reply to further questions from the President, the deponent said that he went to the Château of Bitre mont unexpectedly on the 21st of November; that both the prisoners appeared very calm, and he was very far from anticipating the heavy charge which was to be brought against them. He had not seen any stains of blood, but he had seen marks which appeared to have been made by some fatty sub stance, and he well remembered that the floor was being scrubbed, and that M. de Bocarme directed the operation. He had heard much talk of the intended marriage of Gustave, and he had even been applied to to draw up a contract, " and I did it for him imme diately, in order that he might not think I acted under the influence of the chateau." He had never been re quested to prevent the marriage. He knew that Mine. de Bocarnei did not approve of the marriage, as she did not like the lady; and he thought that self-interest formed a main ground of the objections. M. Cherquefosse here expressed a wish to remove an impression which might be felt from the wording of the indictment, that he had sought to prevent the marriage as the friend of the family at the chateau. The President assured him that no imputation of the kind could possibly attach to him, that his morality and probity were too well known for anything of the kind to be even thought of. In reply to a question from the President, as to what kind of man M. de Bocarmii was, he replied that there was in him at the same time a mixture of the man and the savage. The greatest delicacy was fre quently remarked in him; as an instance, he would say that he had been frequently seen, when in com pany, to hold his bat before his face when be blew his nose.—(Laughter.) He evinced the greatest affec tion for his children, although he would sometimes beat them for not learning their lessons. He had several times expressed to him (the deponent) the great confi dence he felt in him. The President—What sum does M. de Bocarme owe you?-62,000f., but that sum has not been all spent by him, as part was paid to M. de Bocarme, senior. Have you ever head anything to the disadvantage of Madlle. Dudzeele, the intended wife of Gustave ? Never, sir. M. Leopold Dugnolle, notary at Baugniez, was next examined, but his deposition presented nothing of interest. Mine. Michel, a grocer at Brussels, deposed that she had furnished several articles to the family. She had written to obtain payment, but had received no answer to her letter. She then went to Burg. The prisoner told her he would call on her at Brussels. Ho did so, and then gave her a false address at Bruges. The President—Prisoner, what have you to say to this evidence?--I did so to gain time. Several other witnesses were examined, but their evi dence merely wont to prove that the prisoner was in their debt, and that they could not obtain payment. The sitting was then adjourned. FIFTH DAY. The President took his seat at half -past nine, and im mediately inquired whether M. de la Barre, the editor of the Nation, a Brussels paper, was present. On that gentleman presenting himself, The President ordered him to quit the Court, on the ground that his remarks on the proceedings of the day before were offensive to the Court. M. de la Barre accordingly retired, when the pri soners wore introduced, and the hearing of evidence re sumed. The first witness called was Justine Thibault, a nur sery maid in the service of Count Bocarme. She de posed that on the day of the crime she was ordered not to take down the children for the dessert as usual, and to give them their supper in the nursery; arid that as she went down to the kitchen after putting them to bed, she heard M. Gustave cry out in the dining-room as if some one was strangling him. She was listening at the door, when Madame de Bo carme came out of the dining-room, and did so again as soon as her mistress had got into the kitchen. The next day, M. de Bocarme instructed her, in case of any inquiry, to say that Gustave cried out, "Help, Hippo. lyre, help!" The President (to Mine. do Bocarme) Lydia Fougnies, you hear the witness. She says you did not leave the dining-room till after the cries uttered by the victim.—She is mistaken, most certainly. Had I been in the room when he cried " Pardon, pardon!" I would say so. That makes no difference. The President asked the witness if she persisted in her statement; and on her answering affirmatively, Mine. de Bocarme remarked that the girl was too frightened to remember exactly how things had oc curred, bat that she did not think the witness bore her any The President—Did not Madame de Bocarme cry out, "Help! Gustave is ill?"—Yes, sir; while she was going up stairs, where she washed herself with eau de Cologne. After tho body had been removed to the servant's chamber, did not Madame do Bocarme give orders fur one of the Count's shirts to be put on it?—Yes, sir. Did you milk the cows on the evening of the crime?— Yes, sir. You saw your mistress and the cook in the washhoute whea you were carrying the milk?—Yes, sir. Hero the President asked Mme de Bocarmo, whether she heard the witness, and M. Toussaint, one of her counsel, made a gesture as if he wished to speak, but was prevented by the Court. The witness explained that when Mme. de Bocartn6 asked her what she should say if examined, sho declared she would tell the truth, and say that M. Gustave had cried out " Hippolyte, pardon!" whatever the consequences might be to her self. Charlotte Monchardet, who had been in the prisoners' service, deposed to the same effect as the last witness, with little or no variation or addition. The counsel for the defence pointed out some discrepancies between her present deposition and that given before the examining magistrates, but the witness persisted in asserting that she had said nothing but the truth. Lonisa Maes, the cook, gave evidence in Flemish, to the effect that she saw the dead body of Gustave ia the cining-room when his clothes were removed. She had heard his cries. When the Countess went into the kitchen for the first time the cries had ceased. She did not go to assist. Gustave with the other domestics on hearing him cry out, because she did no: know why ho cried. She had only been a few da)s in the service of Count de Bocarrne, and she had demanded to leave. Her wages had been paid. She bad washed certain parts of the diningeroote by order of the Countess, who pointed out the parts she wished to be washed. What she washed did not resemble the vemiting of a person, but she had not taken particular notice. There was a smell of vine gar in the dining-room, but of nothing else. She was ordered to wash the trousers of Gustave and the coat of the Count, and did so. Vanden Berghe was in the service of the Count and Countess de Bocarrni rn the 20th November. He was sent on that day with a letter for Mme. Duclzeele, at Grandme:z. Gustave, on that day, had entered the stables, and complimented him on the state of his horses. Gustave then said that he intended to see Mme. Dudz)ele and her daughter the next day. It was the Countess who told him to prepare the tilbury of Gustave. When he was ready and had lighted the lantern, ho cried several times at the door of the vestibule—" Are you not ready?" Then be went towards the dining-room to ask where the tilbury was to be taken, as there were several issues. The count closed the door hastily, and cried, " Yes, yes, yes!" but did not allow him to enter. It was evening, and was reining heavily. He saw the body lying near the door 01 the dining room, and received orders to re move it. The count and countess were not weeping, but they cried out. He went with the Count and Countess to the bed-room. The Countess addressed words of affection to her husband, and amongst other things said, " Ale i mon Dieu i IVinoche I" The Count was troubled, agitated, not like himself —he spoke with difficulty. The oorpso was not very warm when wit nees removed it. The Count asked witness how Gus tave bad died—he was weeping then. It was the Coun tess who had told him to remove the body; she had also told him to warm it with warm water, and two or three glases of vinegar. She had also told him to put vsinegar into his mouth, but he had not done so, because ho thought it perfectly useless to put vinegar into a dead man's mouth. The mouth of de ceased was black. Witness saw the Count sick, and took warm water to him. On going dowa to the dining-room he saw that the body had been washed, and found a koife. The Counteas ordered him to burn the cravat and waist coat of deceased, bat ho did not do so, and gave them to her. A physician was called in; he said that Gus tave was dead, Ho had understood that the physi cian was called in to give assistance. He had burned the crutches of deceased by order of the Coun tess; she had said that she could not bear to see them. He had seen deceased's watch in the dining room, and had given it with others things to the Coun tess; she did not say that she could not bear the sight of them. The Count told him not to talk of the affair. That made witness suspect something wrong. Witness helped to wash the floor with a brush, warm water, and soap ; it was the first time such a thing had been done. In the course of the night which ensued, the Count caused papers to be burned. Witness had noticed that there was blood on deceased's cheek, and that there was a mark on the Count's lager. The Count had not said of whet deceased had died. anything u T t P hc r nt e os askedi say?d en t ,Shea ß s o k c e a d r r otahnees answered e e hr m ee female eai had anything athn prisoner eytnhei ga ag t i i f tvoe s .hs say?— The y had ? tThhTeehdeipurpiinsrgoeu.sreiordoetre.tquested that the witness might be re quired to repeat his statement respecting his arrival at then said that the Court would ad e journ,request of the jury, he ordered the This n h , witnesse t adjournment to be to Monday. ElLaDbeth, relic lED.—On t th of the L'e sth ettLeeds ,p. schmonu,uch respected, A merchant, Qt Amsterdam. trick ki THE GOLD DUST ROBBERT.-WINCHESTER, JUNE 6.—The formal taking and reading of the evidence pro duced at the various examinations of William Plamplin, who stands committed on a charge of stealing 7,0001. worth of gold dust, a portion of a consignment of specie from Cali fornia, brought by the Great Western, was commenced this morning in the magistrates' private room at the Town-ball, there being present Mr. Charles Seagrim, the mayor, Mr. Bu'pat, Mr. Faithfull, and Mr. Knight. The prisoner was brought from the county gaol by Mr. Sheppard, the chief officer of the City police, and listened to the proceedings with apparent nnconcern. The Mayor bound over Bent, an officer of the Metropolitan Police, to prosecute, and the witnesses who had attended, in a recognizance of 20/. each, to appear at the next General Quarter Sessions, the prisoner being re manded back to the county gaol, where the absent witnesses could attend on Monday. On the application of Mr. Crom bio a summons was granted for the witness Jennings- IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, June 6. The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat upon the Wool sack at Five o'clock. Lord BEAUMONT presented a petition from certain veterinary surgeons, praying that they might be ex empted from serving on juries. THE INDIAN FIVE PER CENT. LOAN. The Earl of ELLENBOROLTGII asked if the closure of the five per cent. loan in India had been by orders from the local authorities or from the Home Govern ment? Lord BROUGHTON said that the Government of India bad represented that it would be desirable that the loan should be closed, and thereupon the Home Govern ment had issued a notice that the loan should be closed, and it had been closed on the sth April. The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH would have been better pleased had it been closed by order of the local authorities. LAW OF MARRIAGES. The Duke of ARGYLL presented a petition from Australia, praying for the introduction of a Bill extend.. ing to the colonies the Act rendering legal marriages celebrated in Ireland by a Presbyterian clergyman. As the law at present stood marriages celebrated by Pres byterian clergymen in the colonies were, under certain circumstances, illegal. Such marriages so celebrated in Ireland were legal, and the colonists prayed the ex tension of that Act to the colonies. The Court of Sydney had decided that Presbyterian marriages in the colony were invalid, and therefore the Presbyte rians were placed in a most painfel condition. There had been a remedial Act passed in the colony, but that only referred to Presbyterians of the Established Church of Scotland. Thus the law was left in a most uncertain state. In giving their judgment the judges expressed a hope that the question would be settled by legislation. In the Colonial Assembly a law had been passed rendering legal all marriages which had been thus contracted, but enacting nothing as to the future. He was sorry to say that this question had become mixed up with religious matters. The Attorney-General of the colony was a Roman Catholic, and the people of the colony had taken up the idea that he was doing all he could to invalidate Presbyterian marriages, and the Governor of the colony had declared that he would not like to afford any aid to those who did not observe the requirements of the law. Now the law was in such an uncertain state, that it was almost impossible to comply with it, and compliance with it depended not upon the parties married, but upon the ministers celebrating the marriage. Earl GREY observed that the law in their several colonies was that which existed in England at the time those colonies were founded. Here a difficulty had arisen in consequence of the Presbyterian clergyman having neglected, in accordance with the regulations of the Act, to ask of the parties, or one of them, if they wore Presbyterians; acid to remedy the evil consequences that had arisen the Attorney-General introduced a Bill, which was similar to that proposed a few years ago by the Noble and Learned Lord opposite (Lord Lyndhurst). The Attorney-General for the colony, however, stated that the whole marriage law of the colony was extremely unsatisfactory, and required revision, and that in another session it would be brought under the consideration of the Legislative Council. The Governor, in a speech at the close of the session, did undoubtedly say that he would bo most reluctant to give bis assent to any pro visional measure of the kind. He (Earl Grey) thought that he was fully justified in making that statement, for nothing could be more unsatis factory than to allow these marriages to be contracted in an irregular and illegal manner, and then to pass a Bill for the purpose of legalising them. The law should be put upon a permanent footing as to marriages contracted in a proper and legitimate manner. He felt very little doubt but that in another year the subject would be con sidered by the Legislative Council, and the law of mar riage would be placed upon a sound and proper footing. He held it, then, to be most irregular fur the Imperial Parliament to interfere at all in the matter. There was not one of their colonies in which the form of marriage was not defined by a colonial Act. This was the case in New South Wales. Parliament had dealt with the' sub ject in this country in a manner generally thought satis factory. But on passing the Act of 1835 they most properly excluded any reference to the colonies, for the simple reason that the machinery for carrying out the principles of that Act did not exist in the colonies-- he referred principally to the poor-law unions. It was the established maxim in this country that all marriages celebrated in a foreign country, according to the law of that country, was held gool all over the world. Therefore, if the colonial legislature took the subject into their consideration, which he had no doubt they would do, the marriages so contracted under the colonial law would be held as valid here, and therefore the interference of the Imperial Parliament was not required. Lord CAMPBELL said, notwithstanding what ho had heard from his Noble Friend, he must say he thought that the petition presented by the Noble Duke was a most reasonable one, and he hoped it would be complied with. The Presbyterians in the colonies were now placed in a situation of great embarrassment, and were subject to great grievances. What the Noble Earl had stated as to tee law in the newly-established colonies was quite correct with one exception. The Noble Earl supposed that all statutes in force in this country at the time of the establishment of a colony were imported into the newly-established colony. Not so; it was only such statutes as were supposed to bo applicable to an infant community, No inconvenience was felt respect ing the marriage law until the recent decision come to in the colony. It'sras supposed before the introduction of Lord Hardwick's Aot that the canon law of England was recognised all over the world, and that there was no need of any mass priest sir other person to be present at those marriages, except the contracting parties themselves and theesecessary witnesses. He hoped, with some modifica tions, thatsuch would remain as the law. Since the decision of his Lordship in the case of " The Queen v. Mills," the intervention of a priest episcopally ordained was con sidered absolutely necessary to g i ve validity to the mar riage. He supposed that a priest of the Roman Catho lic or of the Greek Church would bo held to be quite sufficient; while the Presbyterian minister —even the Moderator of the Church of Scotland—would be consi dered as a mere layman. There ought to be one mar , riage law for tho whole of the colonies, restoring the old canon law, wh deemed the only thing necessary. The Duke of ARGYLL then presented a petition from the Synod of the United Presbyterian Church in Edinburgh, containing a similar prayer as in the former petition, and in favour of a declaratory Act being passed, whereby the decision come to in the case of " The Queen u. could not be extended to the colonies. Earl GREY repeated his opinion that the subject could not be satisfactorily handled by the Imperial Par liament. It seemed to him far better to leave the mat ter with the colonies, who had shown such a desire to follow the example set them in the Act of 1835. CONVICTS IN NEW SOUTH WALES. Lord MONTEAGLE thou rose, pursuant to notice, to present a petition from New South Wales on the sub ject of transportation. He said that it was of the first importance that the interests of these petitioners should be immediately attended to by Parliament. The peti tion with which he had been entrusted realised many of the alarms which ho had ventured to state on a former occasion existed upon this subject. It prayed their Lordships to put an end to the present system of trans portation. He believed, that unless some remedy was soon applied to the grievances complained of, they were likely to be engaged in a struggle of force rather than of reason with these colonists. Whilst he denied the colonists any right to reject altogether the power of this country in carrying out the ancient law of the land in respect to transportation as a secondary punishment, he also stated that it was their duty so to exercise that power as to produce the least possible evil, if any, to the colonists; and, if possible, to convert the measure of transportation itself to ono fur their ultimate benefit. The petition wasllitit of a committee of an association in New B °utli'Males fur preventing the revival of transportatii There wore appended to that petition a great umber of names of importance and wealth. They stated, in the first place, the resolution they have entered Mao to abide by the judgment which the legislators of the colony would pronounce; that the council bad adopted as a final conclusion that no more convicts should be brought over there, and they claimed the full performance of the promise which had been given to them by the Government of this country; they stated that it was most unjust, and a violation of the promise entered ittto with them, that even any of the new provinces should be made available for the reception of convicts. Now that he (Lord blonteagle) considered was a most unreasonable demand. He, however, thought it was indispensable, if they wished to retain any part of Australia for the reception of their convicts, that they should put an erif to the abuses which now existed. He wished to call their attention to the character of the complaints made by these petitioners. In the first place, with a melancholy and sad uniformity they all attributed to the highest authority in this country the commission of a breach of faith towards them. The language with which they addressed the Crown upon this subject was extremely strong, and they addressed his Noble Friend in terms of which he was wholly un deservine. But at the same time he thought that the Right Ifonourabls Gentleman somewhat merited the charge of breach of faith, by not acting up to the language he bad used, both in his dispatches and in his speeches. But they went further than the com plaint of breach of faith; and they used language at public meetings, composed partly of magistrates, sheriffs, and municipal authorities, to this effect. In reference to Van Diemen's Land, they said that the system of send ing convicts there would have ceased long ago if they had prevented them in the first instance from landing. When they were strong enough they ought to rely solely upon their own strength, for it was only by their weak ness that the resolutions of the Government were carried out; that there could be no doubt the best way of getting rid of the convicts was to prevent their landing. Here it appears t h era Were three cheers given at the metipg, end three more immediately after the first had been duly responded to. The speaker further said it was idle to peti tion any more on the subject—let us take the law into our own hands, and defeat the plans of the Government, as the Cape folks had done. He (Lord Monteagla) said it would not do to let this question sleep, or to believe it possible that it could rest where it was at present. Un less the Government adopted a new system altogether in respect to these convicts they must be prepared to encounter a most formidable resistance from the colo nists. He believed that if they adopted that principle upon which they had acted many years they would be able to reconcile the colonists to their system —a system which was based upon the moral welfare of the convicts, as well as upon the best interests of the colonists them selves. They ought to make the labour of these con victs profitable to the colony. He had done his duty by laying the petition before them, and he might mention that whilst only 525 signatures could be procured in fa vour of transportation in the colony, 36,000 had been obtained against it. Earl GREY said he had had no opportunity of reed ing the petition in question, and not having done so he was not prepared for the speech of his Noble Friend He had expected that his Noble Friend would have con fined himself to the prayer of the petition; but he found that his Noble Friend did not concur in it. By the Act of last year it was provided, that upon the petition of the inhabitants of the northern part of New South Wales, that northern portion should be formed into a district colony. A few days ago a petition was received from the governor, signed, he believed, by nearly all the resident landowners in that district, praying the Crown to exercise that power and divide the colony, and also to give that part of the colony the advantage of convict labour; and he observed by a newspaper report that one of the grounds upon which they asked this was, that they were contributing very largely to the revenue of the whole colony, while the legislature at Sydney en tirely neglected their interests, and refused them the ad vantage of the police, which they absolutely required for their protection and safety, in order to present col lisions with the aborigines. It was the complaint of Victoria over again. The real object of the petition pre sented by his Noble Friend was to prevent that power of dividing the colony from being exercised, and to prevent the sheep farmers of Northern Australia from availing themselves of convict labour, which they found so greatly to their interest to do. He was happy to hear that his Noble Friend did not concur in the prayer of the petition. The governor in sending it over stated that he had only just received it, and had not had time to accompany it with the information which he thought necessary to enable the Government properly to consider it, and he requested the home Government to take no step upon it until further information should be sent home. Such a message from Sir C. Fitzroy was conclusive, and nothing would be done in the matter until further official information had been received. He certainly was not prepared to say that the power of Par liament ought to be exercised in deference to the com plaints of these oolonist , , unless they had been shown to be well founded, nor could he admit that because Sydney did not require convict labour the rest of the colony should be deprived of the advantages to be derived from it. While he thought they must continue to send con victs to those colonies, he held it to be the bounden and solemn duty of the Government and Par liament to take all measures iti their power for making it as advantageous as possible to the colony to receive them. What his Noble Friend had stated with respect to convict labour was perfectly just; but he was surprised that he should have forgotten that these principles had been laid down over and over again in the dispatches sent to Sir W. Denison. Public improvements were in progress which he believed would, at no very distant period, alter very materially the views of the colonists with respect to this question. On the last arrival of a convict-ship at Ho bart Town, he understood that 100 ticket-of -leave men were hired before landing, and he, therefore, trusted that the case was not quite so bad as his Noble Friend imagined. He would not further occupy the House, having so fully entered into the question on a late oc casion. • PETITIONS. The Bishop of OXFORD presented a petition from Bath against the admission of the Jews to Parliament. The Duke of RICHMOND presented a petition from Aberdeen against Papal aggression; also a petition from the proprietors of salmon fisheries on the Dee and the Don against the Salmon Fisheries Bill, and expressed a hope that his Noble Friend (the Duke of Argyll) would withdraw his Bill during the present session, and bring it on at the beginning of the next, and hear what parties had to say against it in the meantime. The Duke of ARGYLL said he had introduced this Bill last session, with the exception of one clause, which was new, and he had given notice that he would endea vour to press it forward. He had now gone too far to withdraw the Bill, on which it was certainly his inten tion to take the opinion of the House. In the present state of the House, however, it would be impossible to do so. He proposed to postpone the Committee till the Monday after the Whitsun recess. The opposition to the Bill he believed to proceed from the proprietors of one or two fisheries, while the majority approved of it. INTRAMURAL INTERMENTS. Lord MONTEAGLE asked how it happened that, notwithstanding the Act of last year, intramural inter ment still continued, as though no legislation had taken place? The Earl of CARLISLE said ho was not aware that his Noble Friend intended to put the question; but he might state that the Board of Health, under the direc tion of the Treasury, were in communication with seve ral cemetery companies with respect to the terms on which they might take possession of their cemeteries, but he was unable to state the result. The transaction involved financial operations of considerable magnitude. He could assure his Noble Friend that he quite shared with him in the desire to bring the law into operation with the least possible delay. On the motion of Earl GREY, Their Lordships adjourned till Monday, the 16th of June. HOUSE OF COMMONS, June 6. INCOME AND PROPERTY-TAX COMMITTEE— ADJOURNED DEBATE. On the motion for resuming the adjourned debate on this question, Mr. HUME wished to draw the attention of the House to disposing of this matter as speedily as possible. From the manner in which the motion was met, he was confident that some new mode must be adopted for the appointment of Committees on public business, In the United States, the Speaker of the Assembly selected the Members who should serve on such Committees, and he thought that plan might be safely practised here. It would then take the nomination of the Committee out of the hands of the party-moving for it. A similar practice almost prevailed in that House with regard to private business, for in the case of a pri vate Bill the Committee was not named by the mover of the Bill but by the Committee of Selection. Most of the Members whom he had selected to serve on the Commit tee had declined to serve. He had endeavoured to select them from every point of the House, so that all shades of opinion should be represented, but the Members them selves had refused to servo, and he therefore thought the sooner they adopted the Committee of Selection principle the better. He could not understand why the Nobo Lord had been induced to withdraw the name of the Chancellor of the Exchequer. Surely it was only right that the public creditor should be represented on this Committee, and ho would propose that the Chancellor of the Exchequer should be one of the members of the Committee. The CHANCELLOR of EXCHEQUER said the present was an exceptional case, because the two sides of the House who had carried the motion for the appoint ment of the Committee did so from different motives, and hence the difficulties that stood in the way of its nomi nation. For his own part he had no objection to serve on the Committee, provided he should be supported by the nomination of a greater number of its members who concurred with him, which was the more necessary as he would not be able from the avocations of his office to at tend the Committee regularly. He (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) found about eight persons on the Cora. mittee representing towns and boroughs, while three only represented agricultural constituencies. This was an unfair proportion as against the landed interest. When the original question was before the House there were two to one against any modification of the tax. If the constitution of the Committee was such as to re verse that decision, could it be said that the House was fairly represented? Yet such would be the case if the Committee as named was appointed. He (the Chan cellor of the Exchequer) requested his Hon. Friend to withdraw his name from the list. He was ready to servo on a Committee fairly constituted, but he objected to ono not so formed. He, therefore, proposed to his lion. Friend to adjourn the debate, seeing that at pre sent it was clearly impossible to constitute a satisfactory Committee. Mr. DEEDES said the-observation of the Right Hon. Gentleman justified the course he (Mr. Deedes) had taken on a former occasion in this matter. He had voted against the amendment of the Hon. Member for Boston because he thought a Committee ought to be appointed, and what had since passed only tended to confirm that opinion. The difficulties of the case were, he admitted, enormous, but that was only a stronger reason, not why the Committee should not be appointed, but why it should be such as to deserve the confidence of the House and the country. The report of a Com mittee on the subject ought to have the greatest possible weight, or its decision would be a delusion. The re port of a Committee such as that named by the Hon. Member for Montrose would not, however, have that de gree of weight. Therefore he asked the Hon. Member to defer its nomination until after Whitsuntide. Besides, the Committee proposed was different in many respects from that of which notice had been given, which was another reason for its postponement. All ho (Mr. Deedes) asked fur the agricultural interest was that it should be fairly represented in the Committee. The public were hostile to the tax principally because there had bee n no i nqu i ry into its inequalities, and ho believed if the r e p or t o f the Committee was favourable te in. its continuance th e tax would bo readily a cqui e sce d s But th en th e C ommittee should have the c uta nc e c l a t the House an d t h e country. Under these circu mstances the debate. rem he (Mr. Deed es ) moved the adjournment Mr. W. WILLIAMS said the Chancellor if he had of the Ex chequer was rea d y to serve on the n. e Member for K ent , Committee a majority.—(N o , no .) The Ho too, would be sa ti s fi e d with a majority for the landed in terest. More th an a mon th had elapsed since the House further how could Hon Mem postponed, class of men than th ose agreed to th e mo ti on t o a ppoint a Committee; the ap pointment was hers hope to obtain a better ? question was ,, would tne Committe e so name already mr. wn W. a for Es tsdhs eiinspire me tt confidence i n t h e mind of the public. At present e only ono Hon. G entleman ac quainted with the mysteries o f finance was on i t. Names had been abstracted and otherssubstitute l in the ori g i na l list. 1499ki13g 41 1149 ainuitude pj 040 oubject, he had & right to ask if Pitt, Peel, and the Right Hon. Gentleman oppo*ite had failed to remove the inequalities of the tax in question, could the Committee as now constituted re move them ? He was, therefor e , of opinion that the inquiry should be postponed until the next session of Parliament. Mr. E. B. ROCHE condemned the mode of appoint ing public Committees as unfair and unwise. That de bate had shown what little confidence the House reposed in them; but the public at large reposed still less. In fact, the country had no confidenc e in Committees of that House, and they should, therefore, be appointed, as in France, upon a different principle. Mr. MO WATT denied the inference of the Hon. Member (Mr. Miles), that because a remedy for the ine quality of the income-tax had not been discovered in the last century, it could not be discovered in this. There was the discovery of steam, railroads, &c., to disprove that proposition. After the House had decided upon a Committee for that purpose, it would be unjust to ride off on the opinions of parties and refuse it. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ex plained. He had only objected to going into a Committee the majority of which was against the tax. Sir J. WALSH. had voted for the limitation of the tax to one year instead of three; aud, therefore, he did not consider he was giving a cross vote in supporting the adjournment of the present debate. The difficulty in the case was created by the fact of her Majesty's Govern ment having lost the power of carrying their own mea sures into effect, and still retaining the administration of the country in their hands. After the declaration of the Chancellor of the Exchequer there was, in his opi nion no option but th at o f adjourning the question. Air. BAILEY said a month had elapsed since the mo tion for a Committee was agreed to, and yet nothing had been done in the matter. Lord R. GROSVENOR said a few words, which were inaudible. Mr. DEEDES, in explanation, begged to say he did not wish by his motion to shelve the question—he only wanted a fair and honest inquiry into the subject. Sir H. WILLOUGHBY would remind his Hon. Friend (Mr. Hume) that he had always said no Member should be on two Committees at once. The Hon. Mem ber had departed from that rule, as ho had named the Hon. Member for the West Riding, who was already on three Committees. Mr. HUME had selected the Committee fairly. He had consulted all sides of the House as far as possible and as fairly as possible. All he asked was to have the name of the Chancellor of the Exchequer and his four names on the list, and he would give the Chancellor of the Exchequer a carte blanche to till up the rest of the Committee. Lord J. RUSSELL said the best course would be to agree to the proposition of the Hon. Gentleman. He was not yet prepared to vote in favour of the name of the Chancellor of the Exchequer being on the Commit. tee on such a great financial question as that of a revi sion of the income-tax. He thought the best course would be to agree to the adjournment of the debate, with the view of enabling the Hon. Gentleman to prepare a Committee which the House would ag ree to. It was o f great importance thi s quest i on shoul d further sifted, but in the present state of the question he should vote for the adjournment of the debate. Mr. HUME wished to know who would take the trouble to name the Committee? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER would make another attempt, but he could not say he would succeed. He would, however, do his best to form the Committee, and that was all he could promise. Mr. HUME said he would leave the Committee en tirely in the hands of the Right Hon. Gentleman. Mr. COBDEN said the fact of the Hon. Member for Huntingdon having refused to serve on the Committee was quite sufficient to warrant the hesitation that had ensued. He did not agree with the view of Hon. Mem bers who wished to have Right Hon. Gentlemen on the Committee who possessed financial and official expe rience. The object of the Committee was to alter or modify the tax. He wished, however, to stipulate that the absence of Hon. and Right Hon. Members from the Committee of Inquiry should not be a valid objection to the appointment of a Committee (we understood.) Mr. HERRIES merely rose to say he objected to serve on the Committee, because be was unable to give his attendance. It was not merely a financial question —it was a question of a far wider character, and, there fore, financial experience was not the only requisite for an appointment on the Committee. The debate was adjourned to next Friday. In reply to a question from Mr. HUME, Lord J. RUSSELL said he would give the Hon. Member an early day to bring on the Borneo question; and with respect to the Kafir question, it it could not be brought on next Thursday he should take it on Friday. ECCLESIASTICAL TITLES BILL. The Rouse went into Committee on this Bill. On clause 2 being proposed, Mr. REYNOLDS rose to move that the words he should read be omitted--" Under any designation or de scription whatever." In moving the omission of those words he would state at the outset his object was to carry out the declaration of the Prime Minister and the law officers of the Crown, that they intended by the Bill to leave the Catholics and the Catholic religion the same rights as they had secured to them under the Act of 1829. He did not find the words in question in that Act, and he, therefore, wished to know how the law officers could justify the retention of those words. Would Government, after their previous declarations, come forward and state that they were prepared to make war on the Catholic religion? What had occurred to justify this great violation of civil and re li g i ous liberty? Why, th at hi s Holiness the Pope, in virtue of that power which he spiritually enjoyed, had created certain arch bishops and bishops in England. It might be said his Holiness had also created a Cardinal, but he doubted whether that was the fact.—(Hear, hear.) He hoped the next act of his Holiness would be to appoint Dr. 141`Hale a cardinal, and also to transmit a cardinal's hat to Dr. Cullen, the Primate of ail Ireland. The Honourable and Learned Gentleman said we should not be in a worse position now than after the Act passed; but he was satisfied this would not be correct. The Noble Lord, in his opening speech, had declared that bulls had fallen into disuse, and that the statutes applicable to them had become obsolete. But by this Bill the Noble Lord would resuscitate and re vive these old enactments in all their persecuting and re prehensible force. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman the Solicitor-General, in his peculiar way, bad told the House that they knew nothing about the law, while he seemed to think that he was the law and the prophet too. That Hon. and Learned Gentleman told the Roman Catholics they would not be touched by the Act, but that they would, in fact, be as safe as a diamond in cotton.— (Laughter.) He should like to know what the Hon. and Learned Member for Abingdon would do with the Act if he should get it, and whether he would institute pro secutions under it if he happened to come into power? There was another Hon. and Learned Gentleman who no doubt looked forward to official existence in Ireland, and to whom he should like to put the question as to what he would do if the Bill became law, and he in power. The Hon. and Learned Member for Enniskillen was one of the most eloquent of the advocates for the late Mr. O'Connell, on the occasion of his trial, and he had h ear d from the lips of Mr. O'C onne ll himself words expressive of his approbation of the advocacy of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman. That trial cost the country 75,0001., and broke the heart of the man whom the peo ple of Ireland considered to be their best friend. He considered that the life of Mr. O'Connell had been sa crificed to the bigotted and intolerant feeling which had always been displayed against men who in Ireland honestly and conscientiously expressed their opinions.— (Hear.) He did not think they would say that they would dare to lay hands on ono of the Lord's anointed priests in Ireland. lie had never threatened the Go. vernment on the subject of this Bill. What he had told them was, that if they passed the Bill it would be a nullity and a dead letter. As a conscientious Catholic he said that resistance to such a law as this would be a virtue, and he would never call on his countrymen to obey it. The Noble Lord might tell him that there was a great deal of prejudice in England and Scotland on this subject, and that it was necessary to legislate. He was not there to justify any language of Cardinal Wiseman that might have been painful to the feelings of any Christian; but no language used by Cardinal Wiseman could justify a measure like this against the whole Roman Catholic population. There was, ho believed, a description of cur dog which, if kicked by one person, bit the next person it met. He did not say that that was exactly the feeling of the people of England, but it was something like it. Sup pose the Bill became law, would they dare to pro secute the four Catholic archbishops and twenty-tour bishops in Ireland, if they signed after the manner of Dr. M'Hale, Archbishop of Tuam ? He cautioned the Noble Lord against supposing that the heads of the Catholic Church in Ireland would submit to any en croachments on their rights. There was not a town or village in Ireland which would not support the bishops, if they signed according to their sees. The Noble Lord might think that Lord Clarendon would be a strong support to him, but Lord Clarendon was at a dis count in Ireland. 'he Catholic Bishop of Dublin, Dr. Murray, had refused to dine at the table of the Lord Lieutenant on her Majesty's birthday, in consequence of the insult which had been offered to those of th e Ca. tholic faith. He was happy to hear that an interval of fourteen days would elapse before the next discussion of the measure. He regarded it as a sort of respite which was intended to reconcile them to their fate. During the Easter recess he had visited Dublin, and had at tended a great meeting of Roman Catholics, at which resolutions were passed condemnatory, not onl y of this Bill, but of the Government. Another resolution called on all Irish Members to vote against the Government on every occasion on which their existence might be endan gered, and, with soma few exceptions, the Irish Ca tholic Members had obeyed the resolution. At the present moment a requisition Was in course of signaturen to arraign this Bill and to establish a Catholic Association. That association is ould establiieshDede,eannd its first duty would be to carry on the agitation until this Bill, if it became law, was repealed. A . general election was at hand, and he should do his best in Ireland to op• pose the return of any Member who would not vote for the repeal of this measure and against its authors. Some Hon, wa Members did not think ge political warfare the measure severe enoueh. The Hon. nd ned Member f or Mi dhurst evidently thought t too L sev ear ere, for he was prepared to exempt Ireland from the Bill. Some of the friends of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman had grumbled at his proposal, but he could assure them that whatever might be the opinion within the House, the people outside were beginning to think it was all a delusion. He had listened with pleasure to the declara tion of the Hon. Member opposite (Mr. O'Ferrall), when he said that the Noble) Lord at the head of the Govern ment had lost his confitience, but regretted to find the Hon. Member among the supporters of the Government in the division on the Ceylon question, which the Right Hon. Member for the University of Oxford had told them was to be reg ar d e d as ,a vote of censure. The 1491 4114 We Aleinber concluded by inoTin Iche Ouliabi" of the words " under any designation or description tvh atever." Lord J. RUSSELL said he had seen very lately in the newspapers an address to the Hon. Gentlemen who op posed that Bill, and who were complimented for exhi biting what was celled "Spartan courage"—(Laughter) —in the course they pursued. He did not know how far they were entitled to the character of " Spartan 00 , 11 ; rage;" but th e r e was another designation to w hich be wished they would entitle themselves—namely, that of " Spartan brevity."—(Hear, hear, an d l aug ht e r.) The Hon. Gentleman th e M em b er for Dublin had taken another occasion of going into the whole question befe .i re , them; but it did not appear to him (Lord J. Russa`l., .) that he was obli ge d t o f ol l ow the Hon. Gentleman. Bus he confessed h e h a d b een rather surprised to bear ,u manner in which he had alluded to the vote of another Hon. Member on another question. He (Lord J. F.,% sell) hoped he bad misunderstood the Right Honou.r..a.eo_. Gentleman the late Governor of Malta (Mr. M. OE t tall) in supposing that he said he had lust all confidence in the present Government for their introduction of that a Bill. But what he could not understand was, that w 1. 1 .03 a charge was brought against a person for w anton cruelty, and he was pronounced guilty of judicial der —he could not understand why individuals who c ra vie_t: not convinced that that charge was true, could 0 . 7 0 down to that House to give a vote condemning, the character of that person in order to show their ws r u ) of confidence in the Government.—(Hear, bea r.) He had been told that letters had been sent to the Irish Members requiring them to vote so. 53 1 4 13 1 c not think that Hon. Gentlemen could be unaware l and they were then giving an opinion upon the CoYler l S_ t he not the Papal, question.—(Hear.) With respect ta_. s present clause, the Committee would recollect that it," th ' e a clause to prevent the assumption in this country of the titles of Archbishop of Westminster, or Bishop of : at minghani, or Bishop of Clifton; but although it foie beyond the Relief Bill in the letter, it was in full con:) , mity with the spirit of that Act. Both by law, end matter of policy, no f ore i gn power should give a te tonal title to a pr e l a t e i n t hi s country, whether it wa s the title of an exi s ti ng bi s h opr i c or not. The Hon. Gen tleman tleinan was mistaken in supposing that in endeavourL_Pr,' to defend themselves they did anything to change _T e ri much the present state of things. If it was not lawful now for a Roman Catholic to take the title of Arclibi n a r i r y of Dublin or of Armagh, ought it not to be squalls so so with respect to taking the title of Archbishop of is this country ? Although nothing was a P re- pr. fitable mod ern pro f ession than that of a martyr, it he M‘Hale chose to incur the penalties of that ACl'' words referred be a ll owe d to do so. Believing that the' referred t o were necessary to carry out the Prler . meaning of the clause, he would opp ose their omiss.tso ° s f Mr. E. B. ROCHE said, although he sat at thatsi o f the House, h e s h oul d be as ready to vote his wan t confidence in th e Mi n i stry as any Hon. Member I sot os bite, pro v id e d t h ey continued the same line of PQot which they a t present pursued towards Ireland. Let Hon. Gentl emen t h erefore say, because he did not oealtPrlc a place at th e i r s id e of the House that he was the Wt.%) friend of th e G overnment. He regretted that the Noble Lord did not accede to the proposition of the Hon. M e 0 . her for D u bli n , w hi c h he thought was an extremely ID der ate one. Wh at t h at proposition asked was silhl4. allow the Roman Catholic bishops and ecclesiastical dig 4 nitarics to g i ve up t h e i r present titles, and take up °the' such as the Di ssenters, the Presbyterians, and Afelw diets did in this country. Mr. WHITESIDE sa i d it was impossible for asY Irish Member, feeling as he did, to listen in silenn e 4 the speech of th e H on. Member for Dublin. He 'of been ask e d w h et h er he would be a party to a meashr,t/ persecution di recte d against a portion of his felt° ris 1 a countrymen, and to th at h o h ad answered that he 11/Vi not.—(H e ar, h ear.) The mode of argument pursued be the Hon. Member for Dublin was peculiar. First, be ° sunned the principle of the measure, and described it one of bigotry, of cruelty, of intolerance, of oppressi°. r ; of everything that was bad. The Hon. Gentleman, i d alluding to a case in which he (Mr. Whiteside)ht borne a part, h a d pronounced a eulegium on a Right " Hon. Baron e t (Si r J . Graham), who sat near him ( LL' ,f ", i Whiteside), for his manly vindication of the rights ° e the people. N ow t h at Right Hon. Baron e t w as tu e " chief mover in the prosecution against Mr. O'Connelli (Hear, hear.) It was a bill of indictment preferred against a nation. It was defined by the Minister then in power that if there was a breach of the lass', t h l greater the number o f persons who were involved in the more necessary did it become to vindicate the la w strictly. On that ground was that prosecution usni ll : l tained. Th e H on . G entleman said the people of Irelan d were to be deprived of some rights which they , 0 pos sessed. If th a t were satisfactorily proved to him ' would vote with th e H on. Gentleman. Was it propose " then to repeal the Act of Emancipation? He could AV the Hon. Gentleman himself was the first party to break that Act, by not keeping its provisions and saint lations.—(Hear.) Whatever might be said of the Noble Lord at the head of the Government, it could never be al leged but that, so far as the patronage of the Crown was concerned, he had fairly and honourably carried out i-e 3 spirit.—(Hear, hear.) Did the Roman Catholic bishopo possess the right of territorial rank and dignity legailY in Ireland? If they had it by law, they should have it by his vote.—(Hear, hear.) But had they those titles by statute law, by territorial right, or long usage? Li° denied that it was so. If ever there was a simple law , the statute law on the subject was clear. There will the statute of Richard 11. yet in force in Ireland; and the statute of Elizabeth was also in operation. The 9th and 10th of Victoria proved that the Act of Elizabeth was in force. By one of those Acts, to maintain the jurisdiction of the Pope was a breach of the law; an d by another it was the same to accept a commission from the Pope. Now, although the first law was passed in Ca tholic times, it was expounded in Protestant times. it was not the granting of a commission by the Pope which exceeded the law, but the accepting of it, and the attempt to exercise authority under the same. Did the Hon. Member for Dublin remember the oath which he (Mr. Whiteside) had taken at that table?— hear.) H e h a d b een o b liged to swear that the Pope of Rome had no sp i r i tual jurisdiction in this realm; and that oath be b e li eve d to b e trim. Mr. REYNOLDS sa i d he did not take it. table?—(Hear. Mr. WHITESIDE continued—With great respect he maintained that this was a Protestant country—(.' No' no," from the Irish Members)—and when they Were obliged to swear that the Pope bad no jurisdiction within this realm they should keep their oath.—(Heat.) How did the matter stand in Ireland even after the time of James I.? By acts of Anne and William there was still a clear refusal to grant the assumption of any eccle siastical titles in Ireland. Acts passed in those two reigns distinctly forbade any clerical rank. Even the 21st and 22d of George 111., the first Act contemplating any relief towards the Roman Catholics, still continued the same restriction with regard to titles. How, be would ask, did the Act the 35th of George 111., that under which the College of Maynooth had been esta blished, deal with that point? It was essential that Maynooth should be governed by trustees, who were to be dignitaries of the Catholic Church, and how did the Act describe those whom it was necessary to name? Why, it had nominated one as Dr.O'Rdlly, of Drogheda, doctor of divinity; and another as Dr. Troy, of Dublin, doctor of divinity.—(Hear, hear.) It would be very hard to discover from the 10th George IV. how it gave terri torial titles to those ecclesiastics; for it created a penalty for an encroachment, and that was no proof that the said encroachment was legal before. Actions had been brought by laymen from time to time against bishops for the fearful act of excommunication pro nounced by them, and damages recovered against the bishops. There had been instances in which the bishopsi , insisting on their jurisdiction, claimed their right to do what they had done because they were bishops of the Church of Rome. One case had been that of a plaintiff named Boylan again s t the Right Rev, P. M‘L oughlin! Bishop of Raphoe. After rots rring to the opinion of counsel on the case, the Hon. and Learned Member quoted the judge's decision, which was to the effect that on no occasion had a Roman Catholic bishop a right to punish a parishioner by pronouncing against him a sen tence of excommunication, such being a breach of the law, end a usurpation of the powers of the bishops of the Established Church. That case went before the Court of Queen's Bench, and the question raised was the spiritual jurisdiction, and Chief Justice Dinnes had decided that the la w was against the claim. The Honourable and Learned Member referred to one or two other cases of a similar nivure to show - that the jurisdiction claimed was not allowed. In most • of the cases damages had been recovered. It was ad- • mitted that neither the canon law nor the discipline of the Church of Rome was known to the law of England; awl • if one broke the law, it was no answer to claim to have done so arid so under the authority of the Church of Rome.—(Hea r , hear.) He asserted that the Roman Catholics were more interested in maintaining that law than the Protestants;- for if the system of their church 1 was administered in the same way in which he had seen it in Rome, he would esk what liberty could they poszees? He was disposed to give his Roman Catholic fellow countrymen full liberty —liberty of speech, of thought, of action, of study ; he only maintained that the Govern ment 01 this country, being a Protestant country, should be a Protestant Government. He was willing to make every concession to them short of surrendering that vital principle.—(Hear, hear.) If Dr. Whateley was nomi nated Archbishop of Dublin by the Sovereign of this realm, how could it be tolerated that the Pope of Rome should appoint another person to the fame position ? He was accused of attacking the liberties of his Roman Ca tholic fellow -countrymen. He denied the charge. .He wished for liberty in Ireland—he wished for liberty in Rome; he did not wish to confine its blessings within the narrow limits of the empire in which he dwelt; he would much rather say, may they be permanent and uni versal!—(Cheers.) Mr. MONSELL said there bad been a manifest fallacy running throughout the entire speech of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman. The Roman Catholics did not ask that House to r ecogn i se their bishops —all they a s ked was, not to be prevented from recognising them them selves. The Hon. Gentleman had alluded to the May nooth Act, but it would be easily seen that those divines named in that Act could not well be otherwise described. In Mr. Pitt's time, in the year 1792, a petition from the Roman Catholics of Ireland had been presented to the King ( es G eorge at h III.) been on his throne, and th e two f i rst s i g - natur to thad Dr. Troy, Archbishop of Dub- • lin, and Dr. Moylan, Bishop of Cork. The policy of the Government of that day had been to get the Court of Rome to substitute bishops for vicars•apostolic in this country. In one of the eases alluded to by the Hon, and Learned Gentleman, an indictment had been preened against the party because letters had been found in his pocket describing him as Vicarius Apostolicus of the sees of Dublin and Kildare. Thus ho was proceeded Hgainst, Lot as a bishop but as a vicar-apostolic, and therefore they were as much against them as the bishops. 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