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AWAY COMMITTEES (YESTERDAY.) GROUP A. SOUTH-EASTERN LINE. The Committee met this morning at the usual hour, when the following witnesses were called in favour of the above line : Mr. Davis, surveyor, at Woolwich, who spoke to the advantage to the people of Woolwich which would be derived from the South_Eastern line, and to the inferiority of the North Kent line, General Lord Bloomfield was then called, and stated that the proposed North Kent line would interfere with the practising ground for the artillery, and that as this was the only artillery school in the kingdom, it was vitally important that the practice should not be interfered with. His Lordship then gave evidence as to the superiority of the South_Eastern over the North Kent line as a means of communication between the Arsenal at Wool wich and the coast of Kent. Colonel Barnly was then examined, and corroborated the evi. .fence of Lord Bloomfield. Major Sandelans, Deputy-Quartermaster-General at the Military School, Woolwich, confirmed the previous evidence. He stated that the ground at present used for military practice was not suffi. cient for the purpose, and that any interference with that ground would be highly detrimental. If the level of the ground was inter. iered with it would destroy the school as a place of practice fur the army. The concourse of people at the station would be a great inconvenience. '"*Mr. G. Warrener, tenant at the Pier Hotel at Erith, gave his opinion that if the North Kent line were established, it would destroy the trade of Erith, which would be improved by the South Eastern line. Witness, having been some time ago owner of th pier at Erith, read to the Committee an account of the annua number of persons visiting Erith. Other witnesses from Erith were then called, and confirmed the opinion of Mr. Warrener. Several witnesses from Stroud, Chatham, and Feversham were then called to prove the general feeling in favour of the South- Eastern and against the North Kent line. Mr. AUSTIN, on the part of the Croydon Railway, handed in the answers to the questions which had been asked by Mr. Merrewether in the course of last evening, which, he said, they had no objection to reply to. After the examinatio❑ of several witnesses from Canterbury , from whom no point of any interest was elicited, the Committee adjourned at four o'clock. GROUP FF. THE EDINZUR.GEL AND NORTHERN RAILWAY. The Select Committee on this group re-assembled at the usu hour this morning, and proceeded with the negative evidence this case of the Edinburgh and Northern Railway. Mr. Nasmyth, Mr. Graham, Mr. Michaelson, and Mr. Drysdale, were examined by Mr. AYroN, to show that the proposed line would not bring coals from Lochkelly to Perth and Dundee. Coals would be brought cheaper by the carts to Perth than they could be by the proposed railway. The case of the opponents closed at half-past three, when the Committee adjourned till to-morrow. Mr. Sergeant Bellasis will reply tomorrow. GROUP GG. GLASGOW JUNCTION' The Committee, consisting of the Chairman, air. Evans, Mr. Ncwdegate, Viscount Giiinston, Mr. :duntz, and Mr. Miles, sat this day at twelve o'clock, at the Guidhall, Westminster. Mr. George Bell was called by the promoters of the Bill to speak to the amount of property which would be required for the purposes of the line. He estimated the amount at some 96,0001. The witness was cross-examined at considerable length by Mr. SANDFORD and Mr. RUSSELL as to injury done to particular houses, and the amount of compensation allowed in each case. Mr. John Knight, manager of the goods traffic on the Glasgow and Ayr Railwry, was called to speak to the number of passengers who uPght be annually expected to travel by this junction line, if completed from the termini of the different railways. The num. ber, he estimated, was 3,000,000 of persons. The witness was cross.examined by Mr. S►NDFORD, to show the mode in which lip had taken the numbers. The whole was done under his immediate inspection. Several witnesses were called to speak to the trade which might be expected on the line, the total of which was, that from pas -sengers, minerals, and a prospective trade, a sum of 24,0001. might be calculated on. This was the case for the promoters of the Bill. Mr. Sergeant TALFOURD then addressed the Committee for the Clyde trustees. He contended that this project, if carried oat, would materially injure the city, because it crossed the principal streets by means of a viaduct, which, while ungainly in itself, greatly incommoded the traffic of the city, and particularly of the port, by travelling along the quay upow a level. It would be his duty to bring another plan before the Committee, and he trusted that after hearing the evidence of Mr. Walker, the eminent engi neer, they would feel it their duty to reject the project. The Committee then adjourned at four o'clock. GROUP K. TEL' NOZWICH AND DRANDON (MSS AND ATTLEDOROUGH BRANCH) RAILWAY. The Committee met to-day at the usual hour, Lord Sandon in the chair, when the consideration of this line of railway was resumed. Several tables and maps, setting forth the distances, extent of po. pulation in the district, and the receipts and expenses of the line, were put in, after which the room was cleared. On our re-admission The CHAIRMAN requested that the evidence illustrative of the local traffic should be continued. Mr. Aldrick, of Diss, said he was a grocer in that town. The hne, in his opinion, was very much wanted in the district. There *Nag no doubt but that it would give a great impetus to the trade of the district. It was necessary, at the present time, to forward manufactured goods to Norwich, from whence they were forwarded to their destination. Mr. Till, Secretary to the proposed line, was examined at some length as to the tables which had been put in. Mr. Gedney was next called. He superintended the taking of the traffic, and could vouch for the correctness of the tables put in as far as that department was concerned. Several other witnesses were examined, when the room was cleared. On our return, the CHAIRMAN said that the Committee did not consider that a case had been made out for the Dias and Attie borough line. Their decision therefore was, that the preamble was not proved. The Committee then adjourned till to-morrow at I'2 o'clock. GROUP KR. LIVERPOOL AND BURY MINE, AND LI VERP,, OX. AND MANCHESTMR. EXTITIV SION% William M. Coleman, clerk on the Liverpool and Manchester Railway, was examined to show that the warehouse accommoda tion, cheapness of carriage, and conveyance of passengers, was in every respect suitable and proper. The witness went into details of a whoiiy uninteresting nature. The witness was cross-examined at considerable length by Mr. WILKINS, and admitted that sometimes delay took place in the vonveyance of goods along the Liverpool and Manchester line. Goods from Yorkshire went by Fleetwood. The charge for conveying heavy goods was 3d_ per ton, including porterage and warehousing. For oil, tallow, eec., the charge was 31-d. per ton. Re-examined—The Liverpool cattle-market was about half-a mile from the terminus. Did not make any distinction between the different carriers. Had not heard that Messrs. Pickford, the Carriers, had been driven off the line by increasing the charges. To the COMMITTEE-Did not know the precise situation of Fleet_ wood. Messrs. Garksin and Maine were examined as to the price of carriage. The latter, who was bookeeper on the Manchester and Liverpool Railway, stated that the cost of carriage, exclusive of toll, power, and waggons was 2s. Bd. per ton on 23,000 tons, which were carried in 1844 by the Manchester and Liverpool Railway. The gross receipt for the carriage of coal, in 1844, was nearly 8,0001. Mr. Marsden, manager of the Old River Navigation at Manches ter—The total cost of carriage by the proposed scheme from Liver pool to Rochdale would se—sugar and grain 14s. 2d. per ton, in. eluding carriers' expenses and cartage ; cotton, 14s. 2-id. ; timber, 14s. 1 d. ; manufactured goods and general merchandise, 15s. sd. The present rate of carriage from Liverpool to Rochdale for sugar and grain was 12.1. 6d. per ton ; cotton, 11s. 6d. ; general mer chandise the same. The proposed charges between Liverpool and Bury would amount to—grain I Is. 51d. ; cotton, I Is. 6d. ; timber, 1 ls. ; manufactured goods, 12s. 9id. The pre sent rates were—by water, les. ; by railway, I Is. Id. Between Liverpool and Bolton the proposed charges were—for sugar, grain, cotton, and timber, 10s. 4d. ; manufactured goods, I Is. Hid. The present rate of carriage was for grain, cotton, and merchan dise, 10s. by water; by railway I Is. 6d. ; timber was carried at present by water or railway, at 9s. ail. per ton. The cost of car riage by the proposed scheme betwee.l Liverpool and Wigan would be for grain, 7s. 6d. per ton; for manufactured good, Bs. 3d. The present rates of carriage to and from these towns were 6s. 3d. per ton. The quantity of goods forwarded by the Duke of Bridgcwater's Canal and the old quay navigation, from Bolton to Bury last year, was 14,000 tons; two-thirds of these wore sent to Bury. No goods sent from Liverpool to Manches ter passed through Wigan on the Bridgewater Canal. Mr. Liddell, an engineer, did not think the proposed Liverpool and Bury line a good one. It might be made shorter and with better curves, and so as to avoid touching the demesnes of private gentlemen, Inch Hall, and other places. There was very heavy tunnelling and very heavy earth-works. By adopting convex gradients a saving of 100,0001. might have been effected. The .height of the Liverpool terminus, 40 feet, he thought highly ob jectionable, He did not think the line well chosen in passing Wigan ; the station there was in a very objectionable position close to the gates of Westwood and on an inclined plane of 1 in 100. At Haig there was a gradient of 1 in 60, where it crossed a highway, and was, he thought, objectionable and dangerous, inasmuch as it would be almost impossible to stop descending trains. A better line might have been made between Bolton and Liverpool-- viz., from Tostock to Newton. The gradients on this line would be from linSOto 1 in 90. The distance from Bolton to Liver. pool by this line would be 28 miles and 11 chains. This line would run through the best part of the coal-field at Wigan, passing through Ilindley-green, near West Horton. It would be very easy by this line to shorten the distance between Wigan arid Liver pool a mile-and-a-ball. Cross_examined by Mr. WILKINS—The line he projected crossed eight roads in the space of nine miles, from Rainford to Ruffurd. Thought th e b est l i ne would have been to start from the North Union, and j o i n i t again. Said so irrespective of considering the disposition of the managers of the North Union Railway to accom modate another line. At the conclusion of this witness's testimony Mr. BRANDT announced that the case of the Liverpool and Man cheater line had closed, with the exception of the list of assents and dissents. Mr. W ILKINS announced that Lords Derby and Wilton, who were dissenting I;arties from the Liverpool and Bury line, had with drawn their opposition. Mr. SMYTIIR ‘ no behalf of the North Union Railway, and several landowners objected to the Haig branch, which was merely formed to accommodate the Earl of Balcarras, at the expense of the land owners on the line, and without any advantage to the public. The North Union had already made a branch into Lord Balcarras's coal field to accommodate his Lordship, called the New Spring branch, 2i miles in length. The projected branch would greatly injurethe North Union Railway by crossing it, would confer no public advan tage, and would not, he hoped, be countenanced by the Committee. Mr. klavuedcrox, on behalf of certain landed proprietors, op posed the Liverpool and Bury line. He now represented two gentlemen named Gray, who were the proprietors of extensive and invaluable works, and which would be materially interfered with by the main line of the projected railway. He entirely agreed with Sergeant Beilasis, and thought it would superinduce a profitless and destructive competition. Private rights were so largely interfered with by the projected line, that nothing but s gurecaht was pressin g public public necessity could justify its l formation. L earned Counsel went on to e case in the present instance , detail the nature of the evidence which he would bring before it on behalf of the Messrs. Gray. - - • ' ' • - Mr. Thomas Lee, by•a wooden model, showed that the projected line would materially interfere, if nut altogether destroy, the works of Messrs. Gray, a cotten-factory, the pr is of which were esti mated at 7,0001. last year Mr. WILLIAMS said he was quite willing to give compensation for any injury which might be done to the works of the Messrs. 'Gray. " Mr. Thompson, the engineer of the Liverpool and Bury line said he thought it would be possible to deviate about 100 yards from the projected line. The CHAIRMAN said he had no doubt but an amicable arrangement mi , 4ht be effected. Other witnesses were examined to prove that the injury sustained , by the Messrs. Gray by the projected line would be of a serious mature The room was then cleared, in order that the Committee might deliberate. Mr. Mills, the traffic-manager of the London and Birmingham Railway, deposed as to the qaantity of goods brought up the line to London. One-fourth of all the goods thus brought were taken on to the river Thames. The extension was very much needed to accommodate the traffic. prepared to hear what arrangement he had to propose in reference to the suggestions thrown Out yesterday. Mr. AUSTIN saw no great difficulty in postponing the considera tion of the Bill till a decision was come to on the.other three lines that had been referred to, but he saw a very great difficulty in withdrawing the Bill altogether. The expense which this would entail upon the promoters would be very great. He would therefore suggest the propriety of postponing any further proceedings till after the Committee on the London and York line had come to a decision with respect to that project. They would be in a better condition then to form a judgment as to the course proper to be pursued with respect to the proposed line. He was desirous that they should postpone it ; also, in consequence of the proceedings that were at present going on in Parliament with respect to railways in general. On these grounds, as well as the very great cost which would be en. tailed by the withdrawal of the Bill altogether, he thought it better to adjourn the further proceedings for a considerable time, or till the decision on the York and London line was known. He thought it right also to mention this, as he did not look upon the line as contingent or dependent upon the decision that might be come to upon the other Bills that were at present before Com mittees. It commenced at a very important port, and the other terminus was a very large and populous commerciel town. He considered that it had independent merits of its own. Nevertheless, he was quite willing to submit himself to the feeling of the Committee. He was only desirous that the pro moters of the line should not sustain the loss which its withdrawal altogether would necessarily entail. IMPORTANT DECISION. The CHAIRMAN, upon our re-entering the room, declared the preamble of the Liverpool and Bury line proved, with some reservations ; these were, first, the deviation at Messrs. Gray's cotton factory, and, secondly, the stations at Liverpool. They threw out the Liverpool and Rufford branch, and also that from Rufford to Rainsford. With the Ormskirk project they had nothing to do. They reserved the Haig branch, with the exception of the Liverpool, Rufford, and Rainsford branches. The preamble of the Manchester and Liverpool Exten. sion Bill was still under consideration. The Committee then adjourned. Mr. Roy, and Mr. Thomnson, the Secretary of the West London, proved that negotiations were in progress three years ago for the purchase of the plot of ground at Chelsea, and that Lord Kensington assented to the extension two years ago. This closed the case for the Bill. Mr. CHAMBERS addressed the Committee on behalf of the Board of Highways for the parish of St. Luke against the Bill, on the ground that the railway would interfere with the roadway and esplanade along the banks of the Thames. Mr. Whitehead, solicitor to the Chelsea Improvement Act, gave evidence to this effect, when the Committee adjourned. GROUP N. SOUTH DEVON, TAVISTOCK, AND oTi-azg ERANCHES. THE LAUNCESTON AND SOUTH DEVON. Immediately on the assembling of the Committee, the room was cleared After remaining in deliberation for an hour, The CHAIRM•N made the following announcement:—That the Committee were not prepared to come to a decision on these Bills until they had had further experience respecting them, more par. ticularly with respect to the adoption of atmospheric traction. Not being desirous to reject Bills which had been brought before them at great expense, they had consulted the Speaker respecting the course whici, they should adopt, and they had come to the determination to adjourn until Tuesday, the Bth of July. As it was possible that they might not be able to come to a decision in time for the Bills to pass this session, they would then probably report to the House, that they may be placed under its protection with other Bills which could not pass into a law during the present session. The CHAIRMAN thought as great stress was laid by Mr. Austin in opening the case on the traffic from Sheffield, and the towns in that direction, to Goole, he did not see how they could enter into a consideration of its merits till a decision was come to on the Swinton and Doncaster, and other lines that were then under con sideration. Mr. AUSTIN said that nothing was more common than the pro jection of two or three competing lines when one was first pro posed, but he would show such a case on behalf of the Doncaster and Goole line, that the Committee must, on the reasonable grounds which he would offer, give their sanction to it. The CHAIRMAN thought, as the decision of the Committee on the London and York line was not likely to be ascertained for a considerable time, it better that they should adjourn till a certain fixed day. Mr. A USTIN acceded to the motion. Some evidence was then given with respect to the branches, and the Committee adjourned until the day they had named. GROUP P. SOUTH WALES RAILWAY. The Committee re-assembled at the usual hour this morning, and soon after proceeded to business. Sir T. PHILLIPS resumed the examination of Mr. Birkland. He deposed that the amount of iron annually exported from Newport varied considerably, but during the last year it was 220,000 tons, and of coals, 600,000 tons. Great quantities of timber and char coal were produced in Herefordshire, and those articles were very valuable to mining and manufacturing districts. The timber, at present, was conveyed down the Wye into Monmouthshire, and the Monmouth branch would be of great use in its conveyance. The quantity of iron that was produced in the Merthyr diatricts and sent to Cardiff for exportation, amounted to 18,000 tons yearly, and the trade was rapidly increasing. A 'great traffic existed in iron ores from Newport and Cardiff. A similar trade in agricultural produce existed both at Newport and at Cardiff, with the exception that at Cardiff a greater traffic existed in such produce. The imports and exports to and fro be. tween Bristol and Gloucester and Cardiff amounted to 89,000 tons annually. The intercommunication between Glamorganshire and Pembrokeshire and Monmouthshire was , very considerable, and the establishment of a railroad through those districts was highly desirable. The valley of Neath abounded in mineral pro duce, and there were chemical works in the neighbourhood, which produced considerable quantities of acids. There was a canal extending up the Neath valley, which would com municate with the proposed railway. The aggregate quan tity of coal used amounted to 150,000 tons annually. The population of the Neath district amounted to 5,000, and a considerable population also existed between Cardiff and Neath. All the copper ores that were consumed In South Wales were im. ported into Swansea ; the consumption was fully:three-fourths of the entire quantity consumed in Great Britain. The value of the copper was estimated at about 2,000,0001. Some of the copper was ex ported to foreign markets, and to Bristol, Liverpool, and London. The continuation of a railway would afford very great facility for the transit of the copper. A large number of persons frequented Swansea during the summer months, fur the purpose of sea bathing. The annual consumption of cJal at Swansea amounted to 50,000 tons, and it would be a convenient port for the exporta tion of coals to Ireland. A great interchange of produce existed throughout the whole of the South Wales district, amount ing to 500,000 tons annually, and he knew of no other locality in the kingdom which so much needed the facilities for convey ance which a railway would afford. The metallic productions through all the districts which the line traversed were very valuable. The: quantity of tin plates manufactured last year amounted to between 27,000 and 28,000 tons, the value of which, being estimated at 301. per ton, was about 800,000/. Consider able quantities of block tin, spelter, and copper ore were also manufactured in the vicinity of the line. The quantity of iron produced during the last year amounted to between 450,000 and 500,000 tons, which, being estimated at the present average value of 9/. per ton, would yield a result of 4,500,0001. These calculations had all been taken from the quantities of 1844, which gave only a low average, and they would be considerably increased during the present year. The total value of the entire mineral produce, exclusive of coal, taking the estimate of last year, amounted to between 9,000,000/. and 10,000,000/. He had no hesitation in saying that, in his opinion, the greater part of the traffic in South Wales would be carried by railway, if such a means of conveyance was in existence. Mr. COOKE, who appeared to oppose the line on behalf of the Stroud Canal Company, was about to cross-examine the last wit ness, when he was interrupted by Mr. TALBOT, who denied the right of Counsel to cross.examine the witness on general points. After some discussion the room was ordered to be cleared, and on our re.entranee The CHAIRMAN said that the Committee were of opinion that Mr. Cooke should be restricted in his cross-examination to the parti cular points which affected the Company for whom he appeared, and that he should not be at liberty to enter generally into all the bearings of the line. Mr. Cooke did not proceed with his cross-examination. The witness was cross-examined shortly by Mr. Law on behalf of Sir Richard Phillips, but nothing of material importance was elicited. Mr. WHITMORE, who appeared on behalf of the Welsh Midland Railway,was objected to being heard. The objection was allowed. Air. Sergeant WRANGHAM then proceeded to cross-examine the witness on behalf of Mr. Place, a landowner. Mr. Davies, of Gloucester, cross-examined Mr. Brickland on behalf of the Rev. Mr. Jones, a landowner, and possessing an in terest in the Forest of Dean Railway. Mr. Stainton, manufacturer at Stroud, was next examined by Mr. BENSON—He knew the line of the South Wales Railway, and was of opinion that, from the facilities it would afford for the conveyance of coals into Stroud, they would be cheapened nearly one-half of their present price. The population that would be benefited from the diminution in the price of coal from the proposed railway was upwards of 50,000. In answer to a question from Sir PHILIP RIDLEY, Mr. Stainton replied that he had heard the Admiralty had interfered with the proposed erection of a bridge across the Severn for the purposes of the railway. On cross examination by Mr. LAW, he said he did not con. eider the navigation of the river would be injured by erecting the bridges. Mr. Nathaniel Marley concurred entirely with the statements of the last witness. Mr. Fisher was next examined—He stated he had been eaten. sively engaged in preparing traffic tables for several railway corn. panies, and had made up the traffic tables for the South Wales Railway, in conjunction with Mr. Buckland. He had heard the testimony of that gentleman, and entirely agreed with him in his statements of the traffic. The Committee adjourned till twelve to-morrow. Mr. CROWDER objected to the postponement of the Bill. He considered it unfair to his clients, who were opposed to the Bill, in consequence of the expenses which the postponement would entail. He would, therefore, submit to the Committee that Mr. Austin should either proceed with hi 3 Bill, or withdraw it altogether. The CHAIRMAN then ordered the room to be cleared, and the Committee remained in consultation about half an hour. On our re-admission The CH•IRMAN said that the Committee had given the case their best consideration, and they were of opinion that if they were to accede to the first alternative proposed, namely, that of going on with the Bill, they {could be proceeding under disadvantageous circum stances, as they could not come to a decision while the other Bills were pending. They therefore thought that the best course to adopt was to postpone the Bill till Monday, the 7th of July. The Committee then proceeded with the several clauses of the Wakefield, Pontefract, and Goole line, which occupied them for the remainder of the day. THE SUN, LONDON, WEDNESDAY MORNING, JUNE 11, 1845. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS. June 10. Their Lordships assembled at the usual hour. Messengers from the Commons brought up several Bills, which were read a first time. MAYNOOTH. Petitions against the grant to Maynooth were presented by the Duke of Buckingham, the Earl of Radnor, and Lord Campbell. GROUP RR. MANCHESTER. SOUTH JUNCTION ANTS ALTRINCHAM. The Select Committee on this group re.assembled at the usual hour this morning, and agreed to the clauses in the Manchester South Junction and Altrincham Bill, the preamble to which had been proved at a former sitting. The Chairman was directed to re. port the Bill favourably to the House. The Committee then expressed their wish to proceed with the PRESTON BROOK AND RUNCORN RAIL W AY. Mr. TALBOT appeared for the promoters, and stated the case for the Bill. The line was to connect the Grand Junction Railway with the rising port or Runcorn, a place on the river Mersey, of no small importance both as regarded trade and commerce. Run. corn, the Learned Counsel said, was the point where the Great Bridgwater Canal ran into the river Mersey. It was a thriving seaport, and was accommodated with docks of a very extensive and convenient character. In the last year 2,354 vessels entered them, and the hum. her was annually increasing. The town, moreover, boisted of several important and extensive manufactories and chemical works. It was freely resorted to by the inhabitants of Liverpool, Manchester, Warrington, and other po pulous towns for sea-bathing, and the buildings and inhabitants of the district are rapidly increasing. Lord Francis Egerton was the sole subscriber to the line; but the Grand June. Lion Company, whose station at Preston Brook, between Crewe and Warrington, would be connected with it, were warm sup porters of the scheme. The line would be 41 miles in extent, and as there were no engineering obstacles it could be con structed at a moderate expense, and without difficulty. The only opponent to the measure was Sir Richard Brooke, who complained that the line would pass through an ornamental piece of ground on his estate, but they were willing to do anything that was reasonable to meet the objection of the Hon. Baronet. Mr. Thistle, agent to Lord Francis Egerton, was called to prove the extent and Importance of the traffic between Runcorn and Pres ton Brook. The remainder of the day was occupied with general evidence, which went to show that the branch, though a small one, was likely to prove an advantage to the public, and remunerate the noble promoter. The Committee adjourned till to-morrow. GROUP SS. ERMWASII VALLEY N.A.XLWAY. • The Select Committee on this Group re-assembled this morning at the usual hour, and proceeded with the engineering evidence in favour of the Erewash Valley Railway. Mr. Woodhouse, the civil engineer who had laid out the rail. way, proved that there were no engineering difficulties on the line, the severest gradient being 1 in 215, and the radius of the smallest curve being 40 chains. There were no tunnels, and the cuttings presented no immediate obstacles. There would be various branches, and the length of the whole of them, including the main line, would be about 18 miles. The cost of the main line, including the cost of land and all other expenses, would be 140,0001., and of the branches 47,0001. The working expenses would be about 30 per cent, on the gross annual receipts. On cross-examination, the witness said he was assisted in lay. ing out the line by Mr. Jessop, who first marked out the route of the line. The line was surveyed by Mr. Booth, and others, who were not professional surveyors ; nor did they to his knowledge carry on the business of surveyors. He concurred in the course of the line, because it was the best to serve the coal-owners generally, and not because it would greatly accommodate some works in the possession of Mr. Jessop. There were some unopened coal-fields lying to the eastward of the line, which would not be accommodated, but the line was marked out only with the view of serving those mines that were already in lull operation. None of those pits were now exhausted, and he could form no idea when they would be. The Watnell branch, he agreed, would be only of a temporary advantage, because in a few years time the pits which it was intended to accommodate would be quite exhausted. Mr. George Bidder, the civil engineer, had examined the pro posed line and thought it had been judiciously selected, taking into account the object in view. The works were of an uncommonly light character, and the gradients exceedingly favourable for the traffic. The estimates of the line, which had been prepared under his own immediate direction, were reasonable, and quite sufficient to construct the line. A single line, he thought, was amply sufficient to accommodate the present traffic of the district, but a time might arise when it would become necessary to lay down another set of rails. A sufficient quantity of earthwork for a double line had, therefore, teen taken into account in preparing the estimates. The line would be available for an electric telegraph. Mr. Woodhouse was recalled to prove that there yet remained unworked, within sixty square miles of the route of the railway, twenty-four million tons of coal and an equal proportion of iron stone. Seveaal inhabitants of Hena, a place of some importance on the litre, then gave evidence in favour of the Bill, and the Committee adjourned. HOUP W. DONCASTEGDONCASTERIIND GOOLE ItAXLWAY. The Committee on this line met to-day twelve Pakington in the c h a i r. Present, Lo W r at d Seymour, o' the clocHk, on. Mr. r. Bouvetie, the Hon. Mr. M axwell, and Mr.Whitmore The CHAIRMAN stated to Mr. Austin that the Committee were GROUP WW. This Committee held its first meeting to.day for the consideration of the following Bills :—The Manchester and Leeds, Manchester, Bury, and Rossendale, Eastern Union Act Amendment (from Group TT—Greenwich Colliery (from Group VV)—St. Helen's Canal and Railway (from Group YY)—and the Bristol and Glouces ter Railway (No. :2), Mr. Pringle in tho. chair. Members present in addition to the Chairman, Marquis of Douro, Mr. A. Cole, Mr. Baine, and Mr. Cholmondeley. The Committee agreed to take the unopposed railways first. MANCHESTER AND LEEDS RAILWAY, This is a Bill to enable the Manchester and Leeds Railway to borrow a sum of 350,0001., to liquidate debts owing to contractors and owners of land, and also to erect workshops and stations, and to build locomotive engines, waggons, and a superior kind of third. class carriages called for by the increase of traffic. Mr. Hawkshaw, the engineer, proved the necessity for those alterations and additions, when the Committee decided the pre. amble to be proved, and the clauses having been read and agreed to, the Bill was ordered to be reported to the House. EASI . :OIIN UNION IZAILVTALY AMEND- MENT ACT. This is a Bill similar in purport to the one previously passed, be ing to enable the Eastern Railway Company to raise new shares to the amount of 50,0001., in order to meet the wants of the Company, from the iwcrease of traffic. The Committee decided the preamble to be proved, and having gone through the clauses which were agreed to with several verbal amendments, the Chairman was instructed to report the Bill to the House. MANCHESTER, EURY, AND ROSSENDALE. The object of this Bin is to change the name of the Manchester, Bury, and Rossendale Railway to the East Lancashire Railway, and to amend its clauses so as to assimilate them to the Railway Clauses Consolidation Act. Mr. John Grundy, agent for the Company, said there was an Act passed last session to extend a railway from the Manchester and Bolton Railway, through Bury, to the Forest of Rossenden. There was also a Bill now in the House of Lords, having passed the House of Commons, for the purpose of extending the previous -named line to the towns of Blackburn, Accrington, Colne, and Clitheroe. The object of the Bill before the Committee was to amend the Bill of last session, so as to make it more in conformity with the Railway Clauses Consolidation Act, and to change the name, so as to render it more expressive of its character as a district railway. 'I he Committee decided the preamble to be proved, and pro. ceeded to the consideration of the clauses. The clauses were read and agreed to, and the Bill ordered to be reported. The Greenwich Colliery Bill was withdrawn, the agent an nouncing that he had no evidence to offer on behalf of the preamble. THE ST. HELEN'S CANAL. AND RAILWAY. Mr. FORSYTH opened the case for this scheme, which is pro posed to connect the Sankey Brook Navigation with the Runcorn Gap Railway. The Learned Gentleman having briefly described the line, stated that the only opponent to the Bill was Mr. Scoresby, an extensive coal and landowner in the district. Mr. lim,wles appeared for Mr. Scoresby. Mr. FORSYTH took an objection to Mr. Scoresby's being heard against the Bill, to which Mr. Knowles briefly replied, when the Chairman intimated that the Committee would give their decision on the point in the morning. The Committee then adjourned till twelve to-morrow. GROUP X. CAMBRIDGE AND LINCOLN RAILWAY. IMPORTANT DECISION. The Committee assembled this day at one o'clock, and having remained in deliberation about half an hour, announced that the parties might be admitted, when the crowds who were wedged and crammed together outside the door made a tremendous rush in, and in less than a minute the room was almost suffocating. When order was restored, The CHAIRMAN said—l have been instructed by the Committee to inform the parties that it is the intention of the Committee, when the proper time shall arrive, to report to the House that in the case of the Cambridge and Lincoln line the Committee had found that the preamble of the Bill had not been proved, inasmuch as it has appeared in evidence that the line contemplated under the provi sions of the Bill referred by the House to the Committee cannot, under the provisions of that Bill, or of those of the Bth Victoria, cap. 20, be carried into effect according to the plans and specifica tions deposited in the Private Bill-office. But at the same time that they make this intimation, they think it sight to add, that it will be open to the promoters of this Bill, after the Committee shall have reported to the House, to submit the scheme to the Commit tee in the shape of a project. . _ Mr. HILDYARD wished to know did not the Committee consider that it was now before them in that shape? The CHAIRMAN—Not until the Committee should have reported to the House against it as a Bill. At the came time if the pro moters of the Bill wished to go on they could do so only by the consent of parties. Mr. Sergeant WRANGFIAM said that if his Learned Friend was prepared to proceed with the Bill as a project he was quite ready to give his answer. Mr.',Dl - Atm—What is the answer? Mr. Sergeant WRANGIIAM—Let me know first whether you in tend to proceed as a project ? Mr. HlLDYARD—Decidedly I do. Mr. Sergeant WRANGHAM said he would have no objection to .hat course. Mr. HILOYARD—But suppose he did so proceed, let the Com mittee then simply report to the House that the preamble had not been proved. The Learned Counsel then asked for a copy of the decision of the Committee, and having read it, he then requested that the Committee would allow him a few minutes to consult , gith his clients, as this decision was one of such very great importance. The Committee agreed to do so, the Chairman at the same time intimating to the Learned Counsel that he might, if he chose, go on with it now as a Bill, but not until the Committee had de cided against the preamble of the Bill. The Learned Counsel then retired, and having returned after about twenty minutes absence, `lr. liiimvlßD said, that after the announcement of the Com. mittee, he begged to request that the Committee would adjourn till to.morrow morning. Mr. Sergeant NVRANGLILNI opposed the application. He con. tented that too much time had already been lost, and therefore, however reluctantly he did so, he felt bound to call upon his Learned Friend to state now the course he intended to pursue. Mr. HILDYARD s4id he was surprised at such an intimation. The Committee had intimated that they would report to-night to the House that the preamble of the Bill had not been proved ; and, therefore, all he wanted was to adjourn until tomorrow morning, in order that he might proceed with it as a Bill, if such, should be the course determined upon. The CHAIRM►N, after a few minutes' consultation with the other Members of the Committee, announced that they had aeceded to the application, and would now adjourn to twelve o'clock to•rrorrow, but on the understanding that there was to be no further ad. journment. GROUP z. - - - - --- This Committee commenced its sittings to.day at one o'clock, in Room No. 9 ; and was composed of the following Members :—the lion. R. Clive, Chairman ; Mr. Ward, Mr. Forster, Mr. Redhead Yorke, and Sir James Duke. After an hour spent in clearing the room, the Chairman called on the mum= AND IVIITIMINGA.IL ILAILIWAY. Mr. AUSTIN opened the case for the promoters. The whole length of the line was 75i- miles. The plans included the pur. chase of the Dublin Canal to the Shannon. It was proposed to make a line of railway along the southern bank of the canal. DUDLIN AND MULLINGAR. RAILWAY. Mr. AUSTIN, having briefly noticed the course of the line, told the Committee that the only opposition to the Bill was from two gentlemen, named M`Cann, who would be slightly injured by a loss of traffic, they being carriers on part of the line. The Learned Counsel concluded his remarks by expressing his conviction that the Committee would declare the preamble of the Bill proved. A witness was then called to prove the traffic on the line, and at this stage of the inquiry, the Speaker having been announced at prayer, the Committee adjourned till twelve o'clock to-morrow. HOUSE of LORDS.—( YESTERDAY.) STANDING ORDERS. The following Railway Bills came before Lord Shaftesbury this evening: —The Shrewsbury, Oswestry, and Chester, the Man chester and Leeds (Burnley, Oldham, and Heywood), the Berks and Hants, the Midland Railways (Syston to Peterborough), the Leeds and West Riding Junction, the Ely and Huntingdon, and Lynn and Ely. The Bills were unopposed in this stage and went through the Committee pa forma. The proceedings were strictly private, THE LATE FATAL DUEL.—It is said that evidence is to be brought forward by Lieutenant llawkey's friends to prove the provocation to this unfortunate duel, which has produced such lamentable results, and that Lieutenadt Hawkey will surrender him self at the termination of the inquiry, to abide the consequences. ROYAL MARINES.-IVO O LWICH, JUNE 9.—Orders were received on Saturday evening to have 228 non-commlssioned officers and privates of the division of Royal Marines stationed here, with the usual proportion of officers, in readiness to embark on the shortest notice for a passage to Portsmouth, to serve on board the experimental squadron. A grand review of the Second Life Guards will take place on Wimbledon-common on the 23d, at twelve o'clock ; after which the regiment will be entertained by their Colonel, the MarqUis of Londonderry. his Royal highness 'the Duke of Cam bridge, Prince George, the Marquis of Anglesea, Viscount Comber mere, and the stall' of the Horse Guard*, are all invited to the banquet. SCOTCH UNIVERSITIES. Lord CAMPBELL presented a petition against the tests in the Scotch Universities. RAILWAYS. Tne LEA EYED LORD also gave notice that on the second read ing of the Brandling Junction Railway Bill he would draw atten tion to the important subject of railway companies purchasing railways and canals, and thereby forming a monopoly contrary to the intentions of the Legislature. Lord BROUGHAM presented a petition relative to the purchase of a canal by a railway company, and in doing so must say that he heartily approved of the motion of which his Noble and Learned Friend had given notice. The NOBLE and LEARNED LORD! also presented a petition from Mr. H. C. Talbot, against the Wilts and Somerset Railway. Also a petition from John Free. M.D., who held land in the county of Devon under Sir Stafford Northcote, against a rail way there, which intersected his property, and cut up his gardens and lawns. The Noble Lord re errad to the transactions that took place between him and Sir Staf ford Northcote, in reference to the railway, and characterised the conduct of Sir Stafford, or his agents, as being the most dishonourable that ever came under his notice. The doctor applied to Sir Stafford in reference to the injuries he would sustain, and the only satisfaction he could get from him was that Sir Stafford Northcote had been settled with. He had been bought, and did not say a word against the Bill now. He slid not care what was done with either the lawn or garden now, because he had received a great deal of money, and, therefore, he left his poor tenant, the doctor, in the lurch. The doctor was not allowed to be heard, and the con sequence was, the Bill wag suffered to pass. Earl FITZ WILLIAM said his Noble and Learned Friend had stated the case with perfect accuracy, as far as he himself knew of it. Lord CIMPBELL had never heard of such an act of op pression as the Railway Company proposed to commit, and the Company that would take advantage of the poor doctor's situa tion, and would not allow him to be heard, surely deserved no favour at the hands of their Lordships. The Earl of ST. GERMANS considered that the Noble Lord (Lord Brougham) had taken a most unwarrantable position of late with respect to subjects like the one before their Lordships. The subject would be thoroughly considered by the Committee on the Bill, which might be rejected on the third reading. He hoped the House would not listen to the proposition of the Noble Lord. • Lord REDESDALE considered that Dr. Freer was worthy of credit, and that there could be no doubt of the correctness of the facts set forth in the petition. After a company had re fused to give a person a fair compensation, he was told he might go to the Committee on the Bill. By doing so he might lose more money than the property for which he claimed compensa ion was worth. Lord BROUGHAM considered that the Noble Earl (Earl of St. Germans) had not held a seat sufficiently long in that House to entitle him to interpret the forms of the House better than he (Lord Brougham) could. The Doctor went before the Committee, but the landlord objected to his being heard, so that Sir Stafford Northcote and his son stopped the mouth of Dr. Freer, and prevented him from petitioning. They then, after inducing him to fellow their advice, made terms be hind his back for the injuries the railway would cause his pro perty, taking advantage of his own error, and they now cane forward and told him that it was no use for him to look for compensation, as he had not petitioned. He (Lord Brougham) never, in the whole course of his life, knew such a case of practising, upon a man as this case of the Northcote family. If this rule were established, ro matter what grievance a tenant had to complain of, he had no remedy if the landlord alone was to be heard. The Earl of WICKLOW complained of the irregularity which had lately become prevalent, of raising discussions on the presentation of petitions, and more particularly of the practice of his Noble and Learned Friend opposite, of making a long speech upon every petition he happened to present. The Noble Lord was not satisfied with stating the nature of the petition, but he took upon himself the gratuitous task of making attacks upon individuals, and when a friend of those indivi duals happened to get up to defend them, the Noble Lord be came exceedingly indignant. If any one was dissatisfied with a railway company, he had nothing to do but to send a petition to the Noble Lord. and he might be sure the Noble Lord would make an ex parte speech on presenting it. Lord BROUGHAM said there was never anything more without foundation than the latter remark of the Noble Earl, There was scarcely one out of every fifty petitions forwarded to him that he selected for presentation. After a few words from Lord CAMPBELL, the matter dropped. PUBLIC PETITIONS, &c. Lord PORTMAN gave notice that on Thursday next he should introduce a Bill relating to tenants andtenancy in Eng land. The LORD CHANCELLOR presented a petition from a Dissenting congregation in Dublin, in favour of the grant to Majnooth. The NOZLE AND LEARNED LORD laid OIL the table, by command of her Majesty, the report of the Commissioners on Criminal Law. The Bishop of NORWICH presented a number of peti tions from Dissenters in Suffolk against the grant to Maynooth. The Marquis of BREADALBANE presented a petition from Members of the Free Church of Scotland against the grant to Maynooth. He stated that they had erected 630 churches. He also presented petitions of a similar tendency from the members of the congregation of Albion chapel, London, and from the members of different religious de nominations from Staleybridge, Loughborough, Dewsbury, Halifax. Plymouth, and several other places. The Earl of HADDINGTON did not mean to say a single syllable on the subject that arose out of the grant. He rose to dissent from what was expressed by the Noble Marquis as to the cause of the disruption that had taken place in the Free Church of Scotland. It was not in consequerce (as he un derstood the Noble Marquis to state) of the Auchterarder case. That was not the cause of the disruption. They stayed in several years afterwards. It was because of the conditions which were afterwards imposed upon them, and which they could not conscientious!) , submit to. The Earl of CHARI:EVILLE presented petitions against the grant to Maynooth and the national system of education, and postponed the motion of which he had given notice for to night till Monday next, so as to afford the Noble Earl time to procure certain papers in reference to it. ENDOWMENT OF MAYNOOTH. The Duke of WELLINGTON moved the order of the day for the House going into Committee on the Bill for the en dowment of sl.ayrooth.____ The Duke orLEINSTER said he had had no opportunity, during the former debate, to address their Lordships on the subject of this Bill, and he wished now to detain the House for a few minutes while he removed some of the aspersions which had been cast on the College of Maynooth. He had for several years resided near to that College, and he could assure their Lordships that he had never heard of the least miscon duct, or of anything improper having been committed by the inmates, or the principals of the establishment. He had the honour of being personally acquainted with some of them, and for his part he had never met with more worthy men. They always abstained from participating in . politics, and were loyal and true subjects of her Majesty. He begged to thank the Government for having introduced the measure, and to assure them that he thought it would prove a great boon and a great benefit to Ireland. The Earl of CL A NCAR TY said, notwithstanding what had fallen from the Noble Duke opposite, it would still be his duty to move that the Bill be committed that day six months ; be cause he thought it was opposite to the Constitution, and in direct violation of the principles of the Established Church. He called on Noble Lords to consider well the consequences which would arise if the Bill were passed into a law, anti trusted they would not allow the Anglican Church to rest on mere sufferance, by recognising the principle that the Roman Catholic religion, or rather an antagonist church, was deserv ing of the support of the State. The Christian religion was not founded on expediency, but on the Scriptures, and as a member of that religion, he never would consent to a measure to perpetuate an institution, the education taught in which was in direct opposition to the tenets of the Church. They talked of the hardship of giving some of the professors in the College of Maynooth so small a stipend as 1501. a year, whilst a curate in the Protestant Church, who might have a large family to support, received no more than 751. a year, but who was no list a gentleman because he was in want of the necessaries of life, fur he held that the true characteristics in the education of a gentleman were to be found in the Christian religion. It was stated that they could not enter Maynooth without perceiving evidence of the poverty of the institution in the filth and dirtiness which abounded in every part; but if they went into a poor curate's house they would perceive, instead of filth and dirtiness, fru gality and cleanliness. Then, with respect to the policy of tne measure, the ostensible object of the Govern meat in proposing it, was to strengthen the union be tween this country snd Ireland, which was a great and im portant design ; but they should have considered whether the people of England were in favour of strengthening their union with Ireland by charitable endowments. The Protestants of England and Ireland, and the Presbyterians of Scotland, con demned the measure as impolitic, and as uncalled for. He gave credit to the Government for their motives, but he could not conceive a worse moment than the present for proposing a message of peace. Ireland would say the concession was wrung from a reluctant Parliament. He called upon Noble Lords to state whether the petitions which they had presented against the Bill contained the genuine sentiments of the pe titioners or not. He was clearly of opinion that the feelings of the people of England were against the measure. Let that question he adjourned, and let others be brought forward, like the one before their Lordships last night —measures that would take care of the poor, and be of a beneficial tendency to the country—then such a measure would go over approved of by the people of England, and would be received by the people of Ireland as a " message of peace" indeed. The Earl of WI CKLO W said that he would not detain the House long. The question had been so much debated already that nothing new could be said upon it. He considered that her Majesty's Ministers were influenced by a regard to the public welfare in bringing such a measure forward, but much as he approved of it. he would not regard it with such satis faction if it were not an index of other measures, having for their object the welfare of the people of Ireland. There was another subject which he would allude to, and which was almost suggested by the measure at present before their Lordships— he meant the endowment of the Catholic clergy of Ireland. That was a question which he had long considered was impera tively necessary, and he was quite convinced that it was merely a question as to time and mode. There were, he thought, two pays by which it was proposed that this should be accomplished, either by making it a charge on the Consolidated Fund, or by taking a portion of the funds of the Protestant Church for that purpose. The first he considered an objectionable mode, and a mode which would not be sanctioned by the Government or the country. The second was also objectionable, for he could not be a consenting party to any measure that would despoil the Protestant Church in Ireland of its property. He considered, however, that something must he done in reference tothis sub ject, and if they deferred it long, he foresaw that it would ultimately bevome a party shiboleth, and agitate the country to as great an extent, if not a greater extent, than the grant to Maynooth. What he would propose to do, instead of the two modes that had been frequently suggested for the endowment of the Catholic clergy of Ireland, was to make the endowment a rent charge. This charge, he con sidered, was one to which the landlords of Ireland could have n , objection, for, on referring to the Tithe Adjustment Act in ' 1737, up to the Church Temporalities Act, he found that the landlords had benefited to the amount which had been taken off the revenues of the Church. By the recent Church Tem poralities Act no less than 60,0001. was taken from the Church and put into the pockets of the landlords ; and if this were added to the 195,0001. referred to, it would make a sum of 255,0001. He thought it most strange, also, that when the 25 per cent. was struck off the 750,0001., which was the revenue of the Irish Church, there was nothing like the outcry on the Opposition benches which had been given to the mea sure at present before their Lordships. Now, if this sum of 255,0001. was put on as a rent-charge for the endowment of the Roman Catholic Church in Ireland, he considered that it would do exactly for that purpose, and, by making this pro posal, he would be only asking their Lordships to place the landlords in the same position as they were twelve years ago. Surely, then, if (as he believed) a measure of this kind I would give satisfaction, and promote the tranquillity which was so much to be desired, it would not be asking too much from her Majesty's Government to introduce a Bill for that purpose. That, or something similar, would to found to be the most effectual, as well as satisfrctory, mode of securing the peace and good feeling of the Irish people; and he hoped that before the present session expired they would bring for ward a measure of that kind. Earl FITZ WILLIAM was sure that her Majesty's Govern ment ought to feel grateful to the Noble Earl for bringing for ward the subject which he had just introduced to their noticp. It was one which they should take up, and which fol lowed almost as a necessary consequence after the step which they had just taken. He had formed a very erroneous judgment of the ability of her Majesq's Government if they did not follow up the measure which was now before their Lordships by other measures of a conciliatory nature, and above all by the measure which had just teen referred to by the Noble Earl. He did not assent to the proposition of taking the money for that purpose from the consolidated fund ; and he believed that the Catholic clergy would persist in refusing to take such a payment. His plan was not exactly the same, hut was nearly of a similar kind to that proposed by the Noble Earl. The income of the clergy of the Protestant Church in Ireland might be now somewhat smaller than it was, and there was no doubt that it was so ; but it was no longer levied in kind, and the poor were altogether exempted from the payments which were formerly exacted from them. With re spect to the mode of paying the Catholic clergy he thought they should be placed en the same footing exactly as the Fro. testant clergy. As they were not married men it might not, indeed, be necessary to give them the same amount of income, hut in his opinion they were placed on precisely the same footing. It would be impossible to get rid of the feeling which such inequality would give rise to in the minds of both the clergy and people of Ireland. He would therefore props se that whatever would remain to make up their income, after the twenty-five per cent. was allotted to them, should be made up by an additional charge on the land. He begged to apologise to their Lordships for having occupied their attention again on the measure before the House, but as the question of the endowment of the Catholic clergy had been introduced he thought it desirable to state the opinions which he entertained upon that subject. Lord CAMPBELL said, that as he had been referred to by the Noble Earl, he felt inclined to make a few remarks, but, looking to the state of the House, and to the omens of adjourn ment which it indicated, he would postpone anything he had to say till a future stage of the Bill. Lord CLANCARTY said that he would not press his amendment to a division, and he would therefore, with their Lordships' permission, withdraw it. He admitted having op posed a measure of a similar nature while he sat. in the House of Commons, but things and circumstances bad changed since then. Ireland had long existed in an excited state, and the present measure was introduced as an earnest of their willing ness and desire to deal fairly and liberally with the people of that country. Reserving to themselves the option of intro ducing larger measures whenever an opportunity or occasion should present itself, they had thought it better to bring in this Bill in the first instance, to convince the people of Ireland that they wished to deal with them rather on conciliatory than on coercive principles. The Marquis of BREADALBANE was sure the speech of the Noble Lord would have a due effect upon thesister country ; but he believed the people of England would not be gulled by the measure.—( Hear, and a laugh.) The speech of the Noble Lord would show to the people the feeling entertained by in fluential members of their Lordships' House on this most im portant question—a question which he maintained was con trary to the fundamental principles of the Constitution, and op posed to those safeguards of the liberties of the country, which were established at the Revolution, and which had never been violated till now. He regretted that he was compelled to differ from those friends, with whom he generally acted ; but en another occasion he hoped to have an opportunity of stating more fully the grounds upon which h e o p pose d the Bill. The House then went into Committee on the Bill, and the whole of the clauses having been agreed to, the House re sumed, when The CHAIRMAN reported progress, and the Bill was or dered to be read a third time, on Monday next. LANDLORDS AND TENANTS' BILL. Lord STANLEY intimated his intention of moving the second reading of this Bill on Friday, instead of Monday next. GROUP L PORTSMOUTH (ATMOSPHEISIC) RAILWAY. The Committee resumed at twelve o'clock to-day, Mr. E. B. De. nison in the chair. Mr. ALEXANDER called Mr. Samuda, who stated that the tube on the main line would be 18 inches diameter, and the distance would be performed by the first-class trains in two hours and a quarter, and by the mixed trains in two hours and three-quarters, allowing each train to have a weight of 50 tons in ten carriages, the ordinary estimate being 5 tons to a carriage. The speed would be when in motion 45 miles an hour, and including stoppages, 37 miles an hour. But they could carry as much as 70 tons by each train, at a speed of from 35 to 40 miles an hour. The trains on the South-Western line averaged 38 tons, having seven or eight carriages. The first train would have eight stoppages on the way, and the mixed trains several more. He calculated on seven trains per day each way, making fourteen trains, but he should recom mend that there should be ten or twelve trains each way per day, and they would be able to take twenty to twenty-four trains a day, or three times as many, which, according to the ordinary traffic, would be necessary. The annual expense of working of twelve trains each w.y per day was 318/. per year for every mile, making 19,0811. for the haulage over the sixty miles of railway. To the Inquiry of the CHAIRMAN, Mr. Samuda answered the supposition that the carriages moved forward by the propulsion of the atmosphere behind, the air being exhaused in the tuba, and the vacuum allowing the otherwise passive influence of the atmos. phere to act upon the carriages. To Mr. ALEXANDER the witness replied that the expense was calculated on the usual expense of haulage on locomotive lines, though on that line it would be less. If fifteen trains were run every day each way, the expense would be 351/. per mile per year, making a total of 21,6841. a year for the whole distance, so that 2,190 additional trains might be run during the year for an additional expense of 2,000/. ; and if only two second-class pas sengers were to offer themselves, it would pay the Company to run a train to Portsmouth. Thus, therefore, just in proportion to the number of trains the expense would be reduced, and the accommo. dation increased. On the reduction of the fares 50 per cent, the passengers had increased 290 per cent, and a similar illustration had been given on the Kingstown and Dublin Railway. The increase in the working charges, therefore, would be 103. per cent. to the Company, and the increase of the accommodation to the public would be 25 per cent. ; and to a certain extent this pro portion of advantage to the public would be increased still further. The opportunities of the increase of traffic on this line with London, at one end, and Portsmouth, and the Isle of Wight, at the other, were very peculiar ; indeed, there would be no limit to the demand, when every tradesman and mechanic might go or take his family from the increase of the accommodation and the decrease of the expense. The maintenance of way would cost 6,744/. per year, about the same as it would be on the locomotive line to Chichester. There would be twenty pairs of engines, at a distance of three miles from each other, and the object of using double engines, or, in other words, pairs of engines, was to provide fur a case in which one of the engines might be unfit for duty, when the other engine would be enabled to carry the train over the space at the reduced rate. The engines had at first been intended to be cumulatives of 130 horse power, but on the sug gestion of Mr. Cubitt it had been decided that the engines should be of 150 horse power, and it was determined that at the crossing places this power should be doubled. The mode of crossing the railway at a level was one of several means which would be effected for the safety of the public. By that plan the bridges for cros - sing the railway would be in two parts, one on either side, standing in a vertical position until it was necessary to lower them for a vehicle to cross, which could not be done without notice to the way_keeper. Another means was, to have a plate of iron, about eight feet wide—the width of a road or of a vehicle—lying in ordinary circumstances over the tube, but attached to a piston, working in a cylinder connected with the bottom of the tube, so that when a vacuum was formed for the passage of a train, the piston, which would be a balance weight, would naturally fall and raise the iron flap, and thus allow space for the passage of the train ; and when, after the train had passed and the ♦acuum had ceased, the piston would Inove forward in the cylinder, and the flap would fall by its own weight over the tube. 'thus self.acting, it would work on the approach, during the transit, and after the i,assage of a train. It would only occupy about a minute to alter the size of the piston head from the Epsom line from fifteen to eighteen inches, and the expense of the increased tube would be about 1001. a mile. The 18-inch tube was adopted because the country was more severe after leaving Epsom. The line might be used either as a locomotive or as an atmospheric line, and there would, therefore, be no difficulty in joining a locomotive line. Ile was at this time putting down a 25-inch tube in France, on the Paris and St. Germains' line, where, in one part, the gradient was 1 in 33, and the power was increased to meet the difficulty, the tube being, at the commencement, only 15 inches. To the cross-examination of Mr. COCKBURN, Mr. Samuda stated that he was one of the patentees of the atmospheric principle, and had expended a very large sum in bringing it into play. He was to have a considerable interest in the line, but to what extent the Chairman allowed him to refuse to reply. But he had no objection, however, to say that he was to receive an equivalent of 500/. per mile, but whether as a ratage on the passengers, as a capital sum, or in the shape of an annuity, he could not at that moment say. The tube would be about ten inches above the rail, so that at the crossings of the public roads the rails must be made lower than the roads. The expense of the bridges at the crossings would be about 501. each, but there would be a man at each crossing, and he thought that, considering the rate which the public now required, it was necessary to have a man on locomotive lines also wherever there were gates to a public road. The stationary engines were to be at three miles from each other, but he could not positively say whether some of these might not be a furlong one way or the other ; but if the stationary engines happened to be at the foot of a severe gradient, they would not require an additional engine power, although they meant to establish it in all instances of crossings. The room was then cleared for a consideration, as to whether the Committee should go into the respective merits of the atmos pheric and locomotive principles, and on the readmission of the parties. The CHAIRMAN declared that the Committee had decided in re. ceiving evidence alto the applicability of the atmospheric principle, and consequently that Counsel on the opposite side might cross. examine. Mr. Samuda resumed, under the cross-examination of Mr. COCKBURN, and produced a diagram on a paper, in the form of a parallellogram, across one end of which there was a series of strokes equivalent to the number of miles between London and Ports mouth, and across the other end was a list of the towns along the line, the name of each being placed exactly opposite the distance marked at the ether end. Intermediate there was a series of lines representing the railway, and a transit line runningdiagonally across the other lines in order to show the points at which the trains, both up and down, would pass over the crossing places. The trains would be s i timed that they would arrive re spectively at these several points so as to allow each train time to do its business at the stations, and then come to the crossing places at such times as not to interfere with each other when passing either up:or down. Thus it was proposed that the Dorking statism, should be reached in twelve minutes from Epsom at a rate of 434 miles an hour, thence to Godalming in 17 minutes at a rate of 46 miles an hour, thence to Lipprock at the rate of 44i miles an hour, and thence to Portsmouth at a rate of 49 miles an hour ; the whole distance being performed in 1 hour and 38 minutes, at a rate of 45-: miles an hour, or including stoppages at 37 miles an hour. It was intended that there should be four crossing places—one at Dorking, one at Godalming, one at Lipprock, and another at Rowland's Castle; and if there were to be more crossing places he could send more trains than he had already planned, the number of which wore at present planned at twelve each way, within fifteen hours each day, from six in themorning till nine at night. He had laid out these trains for the four crossing places, but he could send fif teen each way, and more than that, but he could not say how many; and in the event of alterations in the trains, provision could always be made for the alteration, In the event, for instance.!of one train Deing late and the other to its time, the delay of five minutes at each of the stations at which the crossing places were appointed, would give time for the exhaustion of the tube on which tke late train was to pass, so as to expedite its progress. As there were two engines at each station, there would be double power, besides the additional power at the crossings, and conse quently the engine which had already performed its functions cf drawing the train which had arrived to its time, could be made available to exhaust the air in the tube over which the late train had to pass. The station engines were to be three miles apart, and they had often exhausted one mile and a quarter, which was the half of the station in distance, in less than a minute and a half. The time spent in passing from one crossing place to another was to be twelve minutes, and the time of stopping at the stations five minutes, and as the average distance between the crossing-places was sixteen miles, that would allow ample limo for any irregularity in the trains. There were to be three men and a help at each station, which was a force quite sufficient to work the whole of the trains. If there were to be eight trains of course there must be an increase in the force to work them. There would also be an increase in the consumption of fuel, but that was provided for in the estimates. A discussion arose between the counsel respecting the right to question the leakage, but there being a doubt as to the precise ap plicability of the terms of the resolution, it was decided that Mr. Cockburn should proceed, and Mr. Samuda replied that the longer the tube the greater the leakage of the air into the tube, so that there would be three times more leakage in three miles in a minute than there would be in one 'minute. The leakage was perpetually going on whilst the engines were at work. A discussion again arose upon the general question, in which Mr. COCKBURN endeavoured to open the whole subject, but was opposed by Mr. Alexander and Mr. Austin, and after a statement by the Chairman and Mr. Oswald of what their views were of the decision of the Select Committee of the House of Commons on the atmos pheric principle, and after several observations from Mr. Cock burn and Mr. Austin, the Committee adjourned till twelve o'clock to-morrow, intimating that in the meantime they wou►d decide on the question which the arned Le Couns l / 4 1 had mooted. GROUP MM. WEST LONDON EXTENSION RAILWAY. This Committee met today for the first time, Mr. Granville Vernon in the chair. Mr. TALBOT opened the case on behalf of this line, which is proposed to be formed from the terminus of the West London Railway, near to the Kensington Canal bason, to a point near to Cremorne House. The Learned Gen tleman having briefly stated the facts he meant to establish by evidence, and having referred to the opposition brought against the Bill by various parties, among others by Mr. Prosser, the in ventor of a new mode of transit on railways, which might be seen in operation on Wimbledon Common, proceeded to call witnesses. Mr. Chambers appeared for the Board of the parish of St. Luke's, Mr, ;Andrews for Mr. Prosser, and Mr. Mcrrewether for Lord Kensington. Mr. It. Stephenson said he was engineer to the London and Birmingham Railway Company, The object of the proposed ex. tension was to allow the London and Birmingham and the Great Western Railways to have access to the Thames. The present mode of communication was exceedingly imperfect. The length was a mile and fifty-seven chains. It was an excavation nearly the whole distance, averaging from six to ten feet. Three of the roads crossed would have to be raised ; .m e ts ngin had ee already bee n ma d e w i t h the theseroads ware the Richm on d , the Fulham, and the King's road roads. trustees. l e he enring features wrell Arrangements able. The gr a di ents were slight, and there was on v l e y r o y ne fay sh o a u r r p . curve of eight chains radius. The severest gradient Was one in 335. The estimate was GO,OOO/., and the annual working expenses he returnee! r.t 50 per cent. on the receipts. The London Birmingham Company had pu rc h ased between four andand five of land between Hob's-lane and th e World's-end-passage,wheareeroens to construct a large wharf. Cross-examined by Mr. MERRZWETBER—About one-third of the line was on Lord Kensington's property. It started near t h e Kensington Canal, which canal was connected with the Rivera7to Thanes. To Mr. A NDlrews—He thought it would be possible to construct the railway on the Kensington Canal, but it would be attended with difficulties. The bridges would all require to be altered, and the point at which it entered into the Thames would not be so good as the one proposed. The canal at present could only be used at full tides for laden barges. It was altogether a bad navigation. CAN 41, TOLL' . BILL. This Bill went through Committee, and was ordered to be read a third time on Thursday next. Several Bills were advanced a stage, and their Lordships ad journed till Thursday. HOUSE OF COMIONS. June 10. The SPEAKER took the Chair shortly before Four o'clock. The North Wales Mineral Railway Bill, the Monkland and Kirkintilloch Railway Bill, and the Aberdeen Railway Bill, were reported. Mr. GODSON moved that it be an 'instruction to the Com mittee on the Monmouth and Hereford Railway Bill ( Group P.) to entertain the petition of John Stratford Collins. After some observations from Lord G. SOMERSET, the motion was withdrawn. The Cork and Bandon Railway Bill was reported, after some observations from Mr. Sergeant MURPHY. The Battersea Poor Bill was reported. THE BROAD AND NARROW GAUGE. Sir G. GREY moved that the evidence on the Oxford, Worcester, and Wolverhampton Railway Bill, and the Oxford and Rugby Railway Bill, be communicated to this House ; and that it be printed. It was a question of great public importance to consider the nar. row and wide gauge, and the production of the evidence he now moved for woald be of the most essential importance on the question. After some observations from Mr. H. DRUMMOND and Lord G. SOMERSET the motion was agreed to. Ihe Caledonian Railway Bill, and the Clydesdale Junction Railway Bill were reported. Upon the third reading of the Chelsea Improvement Bill being moved, Sir T. D. ACLAND thought it would be desirable that the third reading should be delayed for a short period. Colonel WOOD, to whose care the Bill had been confided by his son, the Member for Middlesex, had entertained no idea that the measure was to be opposed. He had had no communication with any parties out of doors on the subject, but he thought the proposition for delay so reasonable, that he would at once accede to it. After a few words from Mr. VERNON HARCOURT and Mr. GREENE, the motion was agreed to. NORTH WOOLWICH RAILWAY. The report on the North Woolwich Railway Bill was brought up, and the amendments were agreed to. LANCASTER AND CARLISLE RAILWAY. On the motion of Mr. H. HINDE, the report on the Lancaster and Carlisle Railway Bill was received, and the amendments were agreed to. BLACKBURN ND PRESTON AND PRESTON AND WYRE RAILWAY BILLS. The further consideration of the Blackburn and Preston Railway Bill and of the Preston and Wyre Railway Bill were deferred until to-morrow. WEST LONDON RAILWAY BILL. Mr. W. PATTEN presented a petition from the Chairman of the West r.ondon Cemetery Company, complaining of a breach of the standing orders on the part of the pro moters of the West London Railway Bill. It had been dis covered by the merest accident that the promoters of the West London Railway proposed by their Bill to take a considerable portion of land belonging to the West London Cemetery Com pany. They had given no notice to the Company, as required by the standing orders, so that the Cemetery Company had no power of appearing before the Committee to oppose the Bill. The petition was ordered to lie on the table. DUBLIN AND GAL WAY RAILWAY BILL. The report of the Dublin and Galway Railway Bill was brought up, and Mr. GItOGAN moved that it be an instruction to the Committee on the Dublin, Mullingar, and Galway Railway Bill, to entertain the petition of the proprietors of the North Lots, Dublin. against the said Bill.—Agreed to. AGRICULTURAL AM) COMNIEIiCIAL BANK OF IRELAND. Mr. COLLETT moved that the minute of the p-oreedings of the Committee on the Agricultural and Commercial I3ank of Ireland Bill be laid on the table of the House. He intended to oppose the third reading of the 13111, and wanted those mi nutrs to make out his case. The motion was opposed by Mr. GREENE, who considered the question was merely one between private parties, in which the publ',c had no interest, and, therefore. the public ought not to becalled upon to pay the expense of printing the minutes. Mr. MORISON had been on the Committee, and could not see how any possible public benefit could ai ise from printing the minutes. After a ft w words from Mr. PATTISON, the motion was negatived without a division. LEEDS AND THIRSK RAILWAY BILL. On its being moved that the Report on the Leeds and Thirak Railway Bill be brought up, 111 r. LAW'ON complained Of a breach of faith in regard to this measure. The North •f England Company had promoted the Harrogate and Ripon ,junction line as a competing line to the Leeds and Thirsk. They had told him that their case was such a good one that they wore certain of success, and for ten days they had hcen before the Committee. The Chairman of the York and Midland line had, in the meantime, purchased the whole of the North of England shares, and had withdrawn the Harrogate and Ripon project, which had been favourably reported on by the Board of Trade, which withdrawal was a great detriment to the public. In consequence of these proceedings he was placed in such a position, that he could not benefit even by a decision of the House in his favour ; and although he con sidered the Leeds and 'l'hirsk line not the best, yet he was not hostile to it in some respects. Mr. P. M. STEWART, as Chairman of the Committee, would satisfy the Hon. Gentleman and the House that it was not in the power of the House to benefit him. This was one of three projects which had been submitted to the Committee, and after fighting the matter for seven days, the Committee were told that matters were settled, and the result was the withdrawal of the Harrogate and Ripon project. The Committee had, therefore, no course left but to negative the preamble of the Bill. He was not surprised at the feeling exhibited by the Honourable Gentleman, as the withdrawal of thi; Bill left Borough bridge as it were high and dry as far as railway communication was concerned, but it was the opinion of the Committee that some line of railway communication should be formed for Bo roughbridge either with the North of England or the Leeds and Thirsk lines, and he had no doubt but such a project would meet the approval of Porliament. The report was then agreed to, WHITEHAVEN AND FURESS JUNCTION RAIL WAY BILL. The report on this Bill was agreed to. WATERFORD AND KILKENNY RAILWAY. The report on the Waterford and Kilkenny Railway Bill was referred to the Select Committee on Standing Orders. ABERDEEN RAILWAY. Mr. BANNERMAN gave notice that he should move the third reading of the Aberdeen Railway Bill on Friday. LONDONDERRY AND COLERAINE RAILWAY. The reception of the report on the Londonderry and Cole raine Railway Bill was deferred until Thursday next. CANIBRIDGE AND LINCOLN RAILWAY. Lord COURTENAY reported for the Committee on the Cambridge and Lincoln Railway Bill that they had decided that the preamble of the Bill was not proved, but that they would admit it as a project. NEWCASTLE, SHIELDS, AND TYNEMOUTH EX TENSION RAILWAY. The Newcastle-upon-Tyne, North Shields, an 3 Tyne mouth Extension Railway Bill was read a third time, and passed. STANDING ORDERS. Mr. GREENE brought up the report of the Committee on standing orders. NEWCASTLE AND DARLINGTON RAILWAY. On the motion of Mr. H. HINDS, this report of the further proceedings on the Nevrcastle and Darlington Railway was ordered to be laid before the House. DUBLIN AND DROGHEDA RAILWAY. On the motion of Mr. GIBSON CRAIG, the reception of the report on this Bill was deferred until to.morrow. SHEFFIELD AND ROTHERHANI RAILWAY. On the motion of Mr. WARD, the report on the Sheffield and Rotliei ham Railway Bill was brought up. The London and Greenwich Railway Bill was read a third time and passed. SLAVE TRADE. Lord PALMERSTON gave notice that he should, on the Bth July, move for the production of the evidence taken ;.r lore the Mixed Commission of Inquiry into the Suppression of the Slave Trade Treaties. SERVICES IN CHINA. Mr. H. BERKELEY gave notice that, on the Bth of July next, he should move for a Committee of tt! whole House, for the, purpose of examining into t w ry propriety of pr esen ti ng a humble address to her MP .jesty, praying her Majesty to order that the se ice' of the officers, the seamen, and marines, who ser ved in fns in the ye a rs 1811 and 1842, should be taken into consideration with the view to their pecuniary recompense. REFORM BILL. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE gave notice that, on the Bth Jr.ulYR, he should mov e f or a repea l o f the rate-paying clauses of the form 13111. NEW E. Mr. AGLIONBY wou ld wish AN to put a question...ooo.lst importanc e t o t h e H on . t h e U n d e r-Secretary for the G l e s ' .. h e tne. whorl he saw opposite. He wished to know Liana, dispatches h a d been received from New on the and whether th ose p a p e rs would be la id table of !he H ou s e prev i ous to the introduction of the iluees_tbeiner on the subject o f th a t co l on y by his Hon. Friend the 31 ra for Liskeard ? _ us her Mr HOPE s a id th at papers down to the 19 t h of Dees. 0.. had been received at th e Celonial-office, and h e had thattathe merit directed that th ey s h ou ld b e laid before the House as earliest opportunity E. THE CASE OF THE WOMAN BRISCO 5,...0, Mr. T. DUNCOMBE wished to know from the Right "" , l Baronet opp os it e if h e h a d rece i ve d any further inf orrnviataiora. relative to the cas e o f t h e un f or t u nate woman Bris coe, at c alled nester, to which h e ( M r . D unco mbe) had once before a*ed the at tention of the House Ssir J. GRAHAM was understood to reply CORN-LA Nouse th e Mr. VILLIERS said, that in rising to submit to the caution important question which was involved in the __res atver he to which he was about to call the attention of the B ! b ig, believed he might congratulate himself at least on one." 0 that .0 ' rear which was, that by a sort of general understanding in the negative. House, the propriety of this motion being raw° - so b was nised, or at least it was acknowledged generally that of be the unshaken conviction among numerous elas aes que stions importance of the objects connected with the der to do of the necessity which existed for some decision, in or _ oa t, away with the unsettled state in which it remained lore the that it did become the duty of some Mernbernrar`iiatoento close of the session, to test the opinion.nsherieed and, if possible, to elicit the views hw id) 'the sub' Honourable Members in that House ject. If he had apprehended rightly the reaseoPensn. on to s ee k Majesty's Ministers had given when they had occanrtord ibis on the measure which had already been measurebrough"° ile session, on this question, they had said that this edt hst voiced principles opposed to the policy of the law its° ''tee waist it wou'd be impossible for them to give a satisfactory go , o dd tbst motion until they had decided the general question. 1 W an d diet that was a question recently raised in that linuaeldd h e the when the general principle was considered, then W.°,... on tbd vrbich he fitting and proper moment to express their COnvictl_o" question. He had been further encouraged to brill ?sable Lor d that d es question in consequence of the manner in which th e I t tie Member for London had represented the worth that no aie" the House, and stated that his conviction was toilet He ment could be so fitting or so a l s iit• i . ; - the discussion of this question as the I, had ta --1 . 1 . had further reason to be pleased at the pare . e e t hat I_ln on this subject, when he had had reason to h eliev t beyacio forward .. J O Honourable Members opposite had declared thal 3rs ee, t o in opinion with the Honourable Member for _ so le of t had said that, wh enever th e t i me came w hen the F''' thee' a a- tbs country should say t hi s l aw was unsa ti s factory t ad he Orli, was the time to abolish it altogether, for it w ou . ne ed a s (ible to legislate upon it. Now, so firmly CO re d b en r f (Mr. Villiers) that the time had 5 °W s a ler e ss a PO e to e s this law could no longer be deemed satisfactory 'bet it u` 00 this country, that he was prepared to move d u pon. be gether abolished, for it never could be legisl ate bored these grounds, then, h e wou ld say, ;e bored Pb would be excused, if he should h, e _ si seig _ s s hil e - sa by some Honourable Members as a rMrod s. , o 7„ i tlnd forward an extravagant measure, or of having ss ' es ge"intste a peculiarly inconvenient time. He was e sst n'''' e tsrf ° lo tion course by the Right Hon. Gentleman the 1, is *Pe gs hire' for the Home Department, who had eepren o rd Pe bieet t e of the resolutions proposed by the Nobl ee s is net : a ; tbe s re s upon a late occasion, when he said he than t " - 1 ": those resolutions upon any other grotto Tie thee' as ths .A " were too many of them proposed at o ;he sein e esis iv ", principle involved in those resolutions wr s ",iferen c s a s , advocated by him, and, therefore, no real t ." - s es, "lona` precki;llo3ltrir 31 40 1 between them. The Hon. Member for '''' f the l or one of the moat malcoiitented Members ° w isest Go' upon this subject, had said that one of I be hy t he to tal cures that could have been introduced d the . 00 , vern men t, was that one which abolition of the duty upon an article of g enera' he meant the abolition of the duty upon the ra j apPi teg Ile cotton, a measure which the Hon. ;Member ret ire Y e ssare s ' o eed The Noble Lord was an advocate for moderate r_ 90 fr o , had acted from the desire of conciliating all is!rue re 'l ect is j e , i n his motion so as to make it agreeable to the f fte e trigs. rest, and equally satisfactory to the advocates n ion, be si ii that endeavour to reconcile differences of npitc.ea per fev ..4 Villiers) thought that the Noble Lord had i h an atteolat,rie right. He was quite justified in making sue- w as 101. that this was the general opinion of the 1 1 °° 5° as re' . ber the spirit and manner in which his motiontssii. afeni ss , HeVilliers) might observe that th tr e i ss s e ars for Gateshead (Mr. Hutt), sions to elevate his head, and feel gratified that 11 ta l e die t not ot supporter of extravagant measures, that he did: n 0 ° with the repealers, was now begill3l . l i l i g ero was 0 f its the measure proposed by him (Mr' V'b e fore theist 0 ,00 who was apt on parts:wnes 0 ... i, large, and that there was evidence m anner l a . blish being made successtul. Considering the ht Oasts r ia measures tending towards the principle he soug nd ons ide ti, had been dealt with this session in that House, a their s upPt a s the views which had been advanced in iisw hich P m he congratulated himself on the great improveroe ' He 011 ; taken place in the treatment of those questions. 04 00 do this an indication of a sound and growing rfrons mo ; favour of just and liberal economical princiPt s ; bad of fr manner all measures bearing upon the views - a n tired be maintained in that House had been reasoned, he a l p o f . t o. vourably of the early success of the Prine i P s ;kjers° t o ' motion he was about to submit to their v r e HO' "e tbi a There were, be thought, this session three or f°, erat ion ; hers who had previously always opposed any ° that lac it law; one of whom said, he regretted as 01 b e law had ever existed ; another that he declare that at was necessary, and a thirsi Noble Lord de a ',: n tels' in bell was not afraid of repeal. His own imp m om ese ere the leading members of the Government, the I e n on re s ' sf s of the ex-Government and the re referred to a Select Committee—would be found; . ,, ) f!r eug h pealers—if the a s a i l i d iffel:. 7 bo , little in opinion.—(Laughter, and cries of " ge% a ge, t ° in lieved that the report of such a Committee to the 13 yeti yets stu re it might not contain the same Jang ua l s e :ne ; O use , substance, would be much of the the ; s eta' s ,' as the motions he proposed to soo t n i p A It would declare the law wholly unsuited to a ct'74 , 0 0 stances—that its promoters had not any laudablezosimg o_o, —that it had been very injurious to the f is , l ' ho s of the community, and that the sooner ; as o l e o ; y halted the better. He believed tha t w i t s 15 0 the pression in the House, and if there hare be t e hat it thing as a mind of the House, such would well votes f tte s impression made upon it. But it was very we" was not the mind of the House, but te a _..5 o at fo r s House, which determined legislation, and v otes a pee' slir .l " o - f t e , 01 but there would still be votes against the repeal Fro tlo o , for Last night he learned that the Society for ! . be se c 0' Native Industry and Agriculture was still livintlt: w e b : o?l ,s t their publications, and found them est o f ' $ s ii tore as ever. He believed the advocatea._ol oteet,.. jecta which that Society had in view of "p s rlia: t o d an o " f a preponderating influence in both Houses unsa fe u nsafr .0 01 4 they were not quite satisfied that it would be i t ise . - .0 0 , ._ wi-e to continue this law. With respect to the i n .,, , ,,0 1is tb° the objects of his annual motions and the muee'r me ent t faer: holy, the Aliti- Corn-law League, to p r ove---r sow is!.., it oti?: continuance of the present law was unsafe O r a , : " 04 MS; i e f e could be no question about the 0 . g e ' vet e 3n s. of the law. It was to make land dear, and ' obj ect ' isla t° ; lation had been consistent with that, the lefl o suee proprietors of the land were almost exclusive.Y.atiog I .ofa tiel, i. ann thus it was accounted for. The preponneithe revoepeenit of the land commenced in 1688, wit b • 0 con i Ol e ael in that year this sort of legislatioeoe tothstq; It was at that time that the decision w 6 a s a s, whee lie Pl a t had occasioned this 'great change. In I f 5 00 t BlO spectable monarch had asceeded the throne,. 0 terms os t op, s lot Lord the Member for Newark had spoken s ), ° ,, e see e h ss t o o respect—within three months after that Nine- lea s uc o t b $i to show the little occasion there was for any F 9 _0,411 ;0 ,0 P i p which had been set up in late at r ott ° o ll o ) ° b o ast eofoor, that months after that accession, a and conceded for imposing a dutY s od _ o f 0 , consequence of the war with Frar;ese'eapense'etiono, purpose of raising the sum for meeting' In' t heir P o , cne t he war. Arid since that Committee had gienhee, yen riser_o4, the measure, the purpose of the motion bad c l o aked:o l 170 tently pursued, only at that time, it was quit '"_, l id, a pretence of imposing a duty on exports. a '' om iones tt 's s eis t y b se Till the end of the last century the la w na l objec t i t ime al same in principle, and had effected th !,,st at this sot, the value of land and raising the rents. " s u er in WO s od people of this country had not the same pow rieten , atf ; 0 they have now, and the land Pr ° , P stu re ad iOC los t rained a preponderance in the Lill': mode ed o' l o impose what duties they pleased. This h i tter e_ t brl c oif lug the value of land continued till the whe n w hen O a 8, ot century, that is, till between 1760 and Is , a jot/ m e the tbe P ti (4 n e trY It s " 0 4 t' Islt te thought of a different plan, and had im " A coming from foreign parts ; for the co a . _ nt o the ,eit . importing country, and this principle .h n n u eto se $ o f t: it present moment. The object wi!., the 0 10 01 0 1,00 61 of their own property by raising very iodic_ coed' the land, and raising their rents, and .a altero t rir o , s that 44, certain's , was. 'I he constitution d t° it b r el ' a ej the same, and one might despair ohfaany position of men in this country with regard w ith he llo 4 try, ,he no n's charged. The lower classes in this coot ' __ sre, 00 40 co h os the Legislature, were stronger than they r ti v ewn id ' h oe be that no wrong would now long be Mag r e e _!,., wo uld ;j o ie° _ el f ation Pad ; prig t o without being redressed; and this Se n. fis finu ses o u p -i t o s c l ie s redressed, had not the landlords in b "' A &nit that ' the ss° O r boun. to 3 . _ 7 or 0 country. He therefore was mine d a I to recent period, that law had been al-nblie, and -soin teu se 1: of a very considerable portion of the Pu_ i „s i t be .I,' b y le? e d 0. >uhlie opinion In i , is beg' ' rtu a d siderable expression of i sad b e en P s _ ee o Pe la h e having given that law effect. It n s isad n ot u s.sso oen do s _ fluential parties in this country, wn° " which it aulOrn b oss of tb. that the law was of that character _ st i a e _ bos s s e, of the community in this countrv--ileodehione4oen b: f , t he ascribed to it. Great delusions had been n Pr i T e ettl o 7:bow a e s :erf soil, and the labourers upon it. frhisS e __ bes for. deflect _swear haracter an we re rn! o de- - t he passed away. The Hon. and Gallant 31 °i d the 00% 0 of noels successfully described the c I that theY ,Ss lin', d d e s farmers of this country. He sa u s ion singw a r " e Y g eowl ° 4' o and contracted views, with wh ° were theY Insj el t ° o cattle they were rearing, and menthe ma rkets be dirttit „ s oot' chiefly occupied with the vegetvables th eY we v ery ar, ette l 4 sure the affairs of the world bv submi t 't to ted as the des e ! i v e * He had declared he could Tioand limi .srms er t .. person. whose views were so narrow ..Ll l ' lo , ll tne s r bi ; to dap in, whom he had described. If th at n ot very atinb;t lion of a firmer, it certainly Wi' , ten r ie tO °I, " a think ' he 0 0 ;0 bl. O . him, and he eat the had been en - ot r • e , o es ni ts this, country could be produce Gentlean w hip ceic a bt the contrary. The Hon. . that (Mr. Villiers) did f t Aein nri . deceived to h ave °P the t . b of word—he had been ___ d high profit , nt rae_ . e et sble .to was profit—( Hear, hear) a ;u se 0s very was 507 de sip the land bo o 0 01 ; 0 y tbe ,of employed. there w°,... ay t ssta tio se s high profits to those who been induced is t be .eaP s 7esh o ;t was not able (He e o d be isc in o g ver too t to hire that land. He had ~..,s h p rice ' pers°" tell et t a uns boot • 1 of Parliament that held ou d tide d t anti ° P s too a rofit, and e _ A „ ce the t that gone,' procuring a greater p khaitt,if would not yr." - were a the se. told him that that Bill ..on. s em b e rs sitsip s y oo frieo „ co of a high profit. Several ts held their sea ta we re bl a ro ats.. h ied sitting in the House. d w e h d e the fernier thec tish big P te eollg ibo le that they had persua • wished t° d tons attest the enemies of those who o berves - -, e ea. for principle of his ( Mr. Villiers) tto „II hi m , on tt iet eber e si the farmer on this subject, and to thns e w 000. r iI L C D OO who were really his friends, and e The been _ ,„ - ring ene ett rnec Core -le is were his most perseve Lod b e cont , 0 6 ot her o 0 Somersetshire had said he " . o f the r ~ hit t ab e do p ' . the agitation to open si glOg .h. on the subject since- b i nn ing k i n g had commenced. He was ,g now 100 old sa x v.. er was fie Wow (Laughter.) The farm ted. A 4 O protec was told he was bein g