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V, trbr Mitittion SUR OFFICE, Seven o'Clock. - MACKINTOSH ESTATE BILL. (THIS DAY.) The Committee of the Lords on this Bill sat for the second time to-day; the Earl of Shaftesbury in the chair. The other members of the Committee were the Earl of Eglicton, the Earl of Colchester, and Lord Redesdale. Mr. Hope and Mr. Servant Bellasii, and Mr. Rich ardson (Parliamentary agent) appeared for the promoters; and the petitioners against the Bill were represented by Mr. Andrews, and Mr. Webster (Parliamentary agent). The object of the Bill is to effect certain changes in the management of the Academy of Inverness, and for alienating a large portion of the Education Trust Fund, commonly called the Macintosh Fund, for the general purposes of the institution. This fund, watch originally amounted to 22,0001., was left by Captaia Mackintosh, by his will, dated eLti October, 1797, to be invested in lands in the burgh of Inverness, in the name rf the magistrates of Inverness, fur the purpose of educating boys of the name of Mackintosh. The petitions against the Bill were signed by about 60 persons, bearing the name of Mackintosh, being members of the families of Farr, Holm, Dalmi gavie, and Kyllcchy, or their descendants and nearest of kin; also by several of the trustees of the fund, and a number of residents in Inverness. They stated that:the Inverness Academy was now, , and had been ade quate to afford to the bursars of Captain Mackintosh's endowment, a good and respectable education, and that the present Bill would be highly unjust to the numerous parties who had a vested right and interest in the fund. After the reception of the necessary documentary evidence, Mr. Colquhoun, advocate and sheriff-substitute, and one of the directors of the school, gave it as his opinion that the school, as at present constituted, did not afford a sufficient amount of education to the bur sars, and he attributed this to the small amount of remuneration which was given to the masters and teachers. Considerable mismanage ment was shown in the manner in which the scholars were lodged in the town, and on one occa sion he found a boy living in a public• house, and another in the same room with his sister. In consequence of the state of the school, the number of scholars attending it had been considerably diminished._ Cross-examined by Mr. ANDREWS—SeveraI excellent rival schools had been established lately in the town, and they might have drawn away some of the scholars. At present there were 184 scholars, but he believed the number in attendance had been at one time as large as 230. • He had attended the examination of the pupils and signed certificates eulogistic of the way is which the had acquitted themselves. Two or three of the Mackin tosh boys had been sent to the University, and they had honorably distinguished.theraselves tin re. Mr. Me Donald, minister of the High Church, at Inverness, and Moderator of the Presbytery, said he had been educated at the school, and bad fur some years directed his attention to its management. The course of education was limited, the means of instruction scanty, and the encouragement to ti achers not such as was likely to mule the services of able and efficient men. There was a rector and three masters, and the number of scholars was between 150 and 160. There was no drawing - master, nor any master of the English language. or of natural philosophy. The school was not in as good a state as when he was a scholar, the number of teachers being fewer and the attendance of scholars more limited. In his opinion an outlay of 3001. annually would be required to make the school efficient and prosperous. Cross-examined by Mr. ANDREWS—When he at tended the school Homer and Dem.isthenes were read by the pupils of the classical class, but they were not read now, or, if so, by a very limited few. This concluded the case for the promoters. The Rev. Mr. Claik was then called by the oppo nents to the Bill. He was the oldest member of the Presbytery at Inverness, wherehe had been a minister of the High Church for twenty-eight years. He entered the academy as a student in 1807, and he believed-that as good an education was given now as at any period during his acquaintance with it. All the teachers were as accomplished in their several branches of learning as any of their predecessors. The diminu tion in the number of scholars was to be attributed to the feet being higher than those of the Free Church School and the Bell's School. The number of Mackin tosh scholars was now ten, and if the Bill were passed, that number, he thought, would be diminished to six. He believed that the object of the testator was to elevate the whole clan of the Mackintoshes, and that bad been accomplished by the persons who had had the management of ;the fund. Some of the boys who had been educated in the school were now doctors of me• dicine, and others occupied eminent positions; but all derived great benefit from their education, and had not only done honour to themselves, but had elevated the character of the clan to which they belonged. If the school was in need of improvement, it could be done by the trustees without an Act of Parliament. Mr. John Innes Mackintosh, a surgeon, residing in North Lincolnshire, said be had been educated as bursar of the school, and he believed it to be an effi cient and well-conducted institution. The course of education.puraued would tit a person for any station in life, and was Trite equal to that given to the higher branches of the Mackintosh family. The Committee adj , Jurned until Tuesday next at one o'clock. TILE LONDON GAZETTE. (THIS EVENING.) FOREIGN-OFFICE, JULY 17, 1850. The Q leen has been pleaied to approve of Mr. Di ward Wallet-stein as Consul-General in Lonrioa for the Republic of Co to Rica. DOWNINU-STREET, JULY 19. The Qw.en has ben pleased, by letters patent under the Greet Seal of the United Kingdom, to re-constitute the Bishopric of Quebec, and to direct that the same shall comprise the district of Quebec, Three Rivers, and Gas; only, and be called the Bishopric of Quebec; and her Majesty has been pleased to name and appoint the Right Reverend Father in God George Jenosaphat Mountain, Doctor in Divinity, heretofore Bishop of Montreal, to be Bishop of the said see of Quebec. Her Majesty has also been pleased, by letters patent under the Great Seal of the United Kingdom, to consti tute so much of the ancient diocese of Quebec as com prises the district of Montreal, to be a Bishop's see and diocese, to be called the Bishopric of Montreal, and to name and appoint the Reverend Francis Fulford, Doctor in Divinity, to he ordained and consecrated Bishop of the said see of Montreal. Her Majesty has also been pleasel to appoint Nathaniel Hart, Esq., to be her Majesty's Treasurer, and Robert Shany Harper, Esq., t) bo Provost Marshal, for the island of Sr. Christopher. Her MAjesty has been further pleased to appoit t Johannes Cornelius Schade, Esq., to be Financial Ac countant for the colony of British Guiana. WHITEHALL, JULY 18. Her 11,jesty has been pleased to present the Reverend Duncan Maclunz;e to th 4 church and parish of Gair loch, in dm presbytery cf Lochc3rron, and county of Ross. vacant by the deposition of Mr. John Campbell, late Minister thereof. CROWN-OFFICE, JULY 18. MEM RERS RETURN ED TO SERVE IN THIS PRESENT PARLIAMENT. Borough of D.tonport—Sir John Romilly, Knight, her Majest)'s Attorney-General. Town of Southampton—Alexander James Edmund Cockburn, Esq., he , M,jesty's Solicitor-General. VAR-OFFICE, JULY 19._ 6th Regiment of Dragoon Guards—Ensign and Lieu tenant Charles Thomas Lindow, from the Ist or Grena dier Regiment of Foot Guards, to be Lieutenant, vice Phillimore, who exchanges, July 19. lit or Grenadier Regiment of Foot Guards—Lieute nant William Brough Pbiilimore, from the 6th Dragoon Guards, to be Ensign and Lieutenant, vice Lindow, who exchanges, July 19. 4th Foot—Captain William Augustus Fyers, from the 40th Foot. to be Captain, vice Arthur, who ex changee, July 19. 11th Foot—Ensign Philip Doyne Visors to be Lieute nant, by purchase. vice Pattison, who retires, July 19. 15th Foot—Staff Surgeon of the Second Class Thomas Rose Dyce to be Surgeon, vice Dobson, promoted on the Staff, July 19. 13th Foot—Captain Abraham Parkinson Kenyon, from tho sGth Foot, to he Captain, vice John Bruce, wbo retires on half-pay of the sith Foot. 21st Foot—Ensign, Robert Harkness, from the 71st Foot, to be Lieutenant, without purchase, vice Robert Nicholson, cashiered by the sentersco of a General Court Martial, July 19. 37th Foot —Ensign Robert Mark Halyburton, from the KBth Foot, to be Ensign, vice Henry, appointed to the 86th Foot, July 19. 3 - Bth Foot—Captain Napier Turner Christie, from half-00'; Unattached; to be Captain, vice Thomas Southall, 'who exchanges- Lieutenant William James Loftus to be Captain, mice Christie, who retires; Ensign Charles William Watkins to be Lieutenant, by purchase, vice Loftus, July 19. 40th Foot—Captain Frederick Leopold Arthur, from the 4th Foot, to be Captain, vice Fyers, who exchanges; Ensign Frederick Samuel Blyth to be Lieutenant, by purchase, vice Cormick, promoted; William Ilickes Idorgdon Messenger, Gent., to be Ensign, by purchase, vice Blyth, July 19. 56th Foot—Lieutenant Allen M'Donald has been per mitted to retire from the Service by the ale of his com mission. July 19. 65th Foot—Lieut. Christopher Rhatigan to be Captain, without purchase, vice Smith, deceased, Dec. 14. 71st Foot—Lieut. Frederick J. Colin Halkett to be Captain, by purchase, vice Dash wood, who retires, July 19 ; Ensign Robert Charles William Stuart to have the rank of Lieutenant, July 18 ; Ensign Jsbn Fuller to be Lieutenant, by purchase, vice Halkett ; Ensign Duncan Downie Fletcher, from the 42nd Foot, to be Ensign, vice Harkness, promoted to the 21st Foot, July 19. 72d Foot—Captain John William Gaisford to be Major, by purchase, vice Moclean, promoted in 3d West India Regiment; Lieutenant Walter Barrington Odynell Campbell, to be Captain, by purchase, vice Gaistord; Lieutenant Lydston Newman to be Captain, vice Lord, who retires July 19. 3d West India Regiment—Brevet Lieutenant-Colonel Chorles Maxwell Maclean, from the 72d Foot, to be Lieutenant-Colonel, by purcbase,•vice Perry, who retires, July 19. HOSPITAL STAPP.—Deputy Inspector. General of Hospitals Charles- St. John, M.D., to be Inspector- General of Hospitals, vice Henry Franklin, who retires upon half-pay; Deputy Inspector-General, with local rank.* Andrew Fergus:on, M.D., to be Deputy Inspec torioaerieral of Hospitals, vice St. John; Surgeon Wil liam Dobson, frornthe 15th Foot, to be Staff surgeon of the First Class, vice Fergi isson; Surgeon Alexander Cribb, M.D., from the 45th Foot, to be Staff Surgeon of the Second Class, vice Dyce, appointed to the 15th Foot, July 19. UNATTACHED.—Brevet Major Guy Clarke, from the 77th Foot, to be Major, without purchase, July 19. BREVET.—To be Majors in the Army—Captain Napier Turner Christie, of the 38th Foot, Nov. 23,1841; Captain Charles Eustace Mac Donnell, cf the 29th Foot, March 2. To be Majors in the Army in the East Indies—Captain Herbert Benjamin Edwardes, of the Ist Bengal Euro pean Regiment, March 22; Captain Henry James Stan nu:, of the sth Regiment of Bengal Cavalry, April 17. Commission by the Lord Lieutenant of Flintshire. The Hon. Richard Thomas Rowley to be Deputy- Lientenant, July 12. Commission by the Lord Lieutenant of Lancashire. John Abraham Tinne, Esq., to be Deputy-Lieutenant, July 12. BANKRUPTS. Thomas Dyson, railway contractor, Newington, to surrender Aug. 2 and Sept. 6, at half-past one, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Whitmore, official assignee; Rixon and Son, King William•street. Gilbert Finlay Girdwood, chemist, Maida-hill, July 26, at twelve, and Aug. 29, at half-past twelve, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Johnson, official assignee, Bei singball-street; Lawrence and Piew?; Old Jewry. George Shepheard, linendraper, Modbury, Devonshire, July 30 and Aug. 27, at eleven, at the Exeter District Court. Ilirtzel, official assignee, Exeter; Savery, Mod bury; Bishop and Pitts, Exeter. Timothy Bourne Bourne, cotton broker, Liverpool, July 26 and Aug. 29, at eleven, at the Liverpool Dis trict Court. Bird, official assignee, Liverpool; Norris, Liverpool. PRICE OF SUGAR. The average price of Brown or Muscovado Sugar, com puted from returns made in the week ending July 16, 1850, exclusive of Custom Duties paid or payable thereon on the importation thereot into Great Britain : From the British possessions in America 25a. 9d. per cwt. From the Mauritius ... 24a. Od. „ From the East Indies 28s. ad. „ Average price of the three foregoing de scriptions of sugar, jointly. computed as above, and exclusive of duty ... 265. 3d. „ By authority of Parliament, HENRY BICHN zu., Clerk of the Grocers' Company. Grocers'-hall, July 19. BANK OF ENGLAND. (From this night's Gazette.) AnAccount, pursuant to the Act 7th and Bth of Victoria. cap. 32,1er the Week ending on Saturday, the I3th day of July, 1850. 188115 DZPARTEZNT. Notes i55ued........ 30,014,065 Government debt .. 11,015,100 Other securities .... 2,984,900 Gold coin and bullion 15,824,807 Silver ballion • • .. • . 219,258 :Z30,044,065 X 30,044,065 E. MARSHAT.L, Chief Cashier. Dated the 18th day of July, 1851 AZTKEN T. Government securi ties (including Dead Weight Annuity) .. 14,294,583 Other securities • • 10,522,279 Notes •••••••• • • • • •• 9,770,045 Gold and silver coin.. 800,242 Z 35,387,149 *. MAIiSHALL, Chief Cashier. LVIPERIAL PARLIAMENT. (THIS EVENING.) HOUSE OF LORDS. The LORD CHANCELLOR took his:seat on the Wool sack at Five o'clock. _ _ _ PETITIONS. The Earl of EGLINTON presented a petition against the Coal Mines Inspection Bill. The Duke of RICHMOND presented several petitions in favour of the Bill. The Earl of HARROWBY presented a petition pray ing for the restoration of the Post-office delivery on Sunday. The Earl of EGLINTON presented a petition from Ayrshire against the authorising marriages with a de ceased wife's sister; also a petition in favour of cur • rency reform. Lord STANLEY presented a petition from certain landowners of Lancashire in favour of protection. The petition was very numerously signed, and he believed that the signatures were genuine. He complained that in the manufacturing districts of Lancashire intimida tion had been used to prevent persons from signing this petition, and that exclusive dealing had been threatened against those who bad given expression to their opinions. In one case a milkman had been obliged to declare he had not signed the petition, or all his customers would have left him. He did not charge this exclusively against Free-traders, but he was convinced that three who on any occasion resorted to intimidation, confessed by so doing that they were advocates of a losing cause.— (Hear, hear.) Also a petition from Rumford to the same effect. Lord BROUGHAM joined with his Noble Friend in deprecating any attempt at intimidation, and as a friend of free-trade he should say, save me from my friends. He hoped the exaggeration -was considerable, but a worse service could not be rendered to a good cause than to have recourse to intimidation. Earl GREY, repudiating as be did all attempts at intimidation, yet when he found that a man de rived his living from the sale of milk, the greater number of whose customers must be among the working classes, it was proof that the working classes were convinced that so much for their benefit bad been the repeal of the corn-laws that they resented any attempt to recur to them as a personal injury. The Duke of RICHMOND denounced the conduct of the Government to the owners of land in not re-imposing import duties on corn. He presented a petition from the landowners of Wicklow, complaining that they were not permitted to grow beet root or tobacco, and attri buting all the misery and ruin of Ireland to the repeal of the corn-laws; also from a:sergeant of the 64th regi ment, complaining of the reduction of his pension. He did not think the petitioner had a very strong claim. THE UNIVERSITY COMMISSION. _ _ Lord BROUGHAM denied that he bad ever changed his opinion as to the legality of the Municipal Commis sion, as bad been represented elsewhere, in the debate on the University Commission. He bad given no opinion as to the legality of the University Commission, because it might come before him in a judicial capacity. DAIIZING D. Proprietors'eapital• • 14,553,000 Rest • •••••• • •• • • 3,149,011 Public deposits (in eluding Exchequer, Commissioners of National Debt, Say- ings-banks, and Di vidend accounts) .. 5,090,507 Other deposits • • •• •. 11,263,012 Seven day and other bills ••:.••• • - • • • • 1,331,619 £35.387,149 Dated the 18th day of July, 1850. MARKET IN TEL LIGENCE. (From the London New Price Current, July 19.) SUGAR.—Tc-day there has been less activity in the West India Sugar market, and in some insiiinces easier prices were accepted, at public sale 208 hbds Trinidad were taken in at steady rates, low and mid yellow 35s to 365, but 363 hhds 10 trs 216 brls St. Lucia were disposed of, the best sorts at full terms, but inferior sorts rather lower, fine yellow realised 39s 6d to 428. mid to good 36s to 395, low 34s 6d to 355, two lots low dark 31s 6d to 335, and 3 pkgs Antigua at 34s for brown. The total sales to day were 666, making for the week 3,564 hhds, &c. REFINED.—To-day Refined Sugar sold freely for home trade purposes, and fair to good grocery Lumps realised 49s 6d to 525. Crushed in good demand, British at 27s 61 to 28s. MAURITIUS.—This afternoon there was less disposi _ tion to operate in Mauritius, and at the public sales of 1,876 bags rather lower rates are acceded to. For good and fine yellow prices ruled at 36s 6d to 38s 6d, mid 35s 6d to 365, and low 34s to 34s 6d, but whole sold. 'EAST INDIA.—This afternoon the public sales of 2,142 bags Bengal Sugar went at full rates for white and grainy, but at rather lower rates for soft yellow. Prices for white Benares ruled at 38s 6d to 41s for good and fine, at 36s 6d to 38s for low to mid; mid and good strong yellow 42s to 445, good and fide soft 34s to 365, and inferior 32s to 33s 6d. Of Madras 2,000 bags sold at barely former terms, strong white at 44s 6d, yellow lik Mauritius good and fine 36s to 38s, and fair soft 33s 6d to 345. FOREIGN.—Thin afternoon a public sale of 581 hhds 291 brls Porto Rico went at rather lower rates, ord to mid yellow at 36s 6d to 385 6d, good 393 to 40s, and fine at 41e to 42a 6d. MoLaSsEs.—This afternoon at public sale 186 pkgs Bengal Treacle were sold at the low rates of los and lls per cwt. COFFEE.—This afternoon there was rather a desire to operate in Native Ceylon, and 43s was paid for good ord. The public sales of 194 casks 337 bags Plantation went with fair spirit at full terms, and in some cases rather dearer, mid realised 54s to 565, low mid 51s to 535, fine and fine ord 45s 6d to 50s, triage 43 s to 453, and pea berry 50s to 56s per cwt. Of Jamaica 20 casks in part sold at 468 6d to 51s for fine and fine fine ord, at 43s for good ord, and at 33s to 35s for triage. CocoA.—Although foreign is offered at the moderate rives of 275 6d to 28s 6d, still operations keep upon a limited scale. West India has been in good demand; and at auction 206 bgs of Trinidad sold at full terms, red at 43s to 46, and grey at 40s to 42, 90 bgs of Domi nica 37s 6d to 395, and 6 brls St. Lucia at 37s per cwt. v. TEA.—The market is quiet for Hyson at barely former prices, but in Young Hyson sales have been upon a large scale at rather higher terms. Previous rates are well supported for other sorts of Green; the home trade demand has been good, and shippers have been buyers to a fair extent of inferior sorts. The market is firm for Scented and Pekoe Teas. There has been a good deal done in common Congou by home dealers, and further export orders have been concluded. Holders obtain lOid to l Id, whilst the supply is limited. Sales to a fair extent have been made In medium and good sorts at is lo Is 3d, but fine and Pekoe kinds are yet only in mo derate request at Is 4d to Is 8d per lb. SPICES.—With Pimento the market has been more freely supplied, and prices declined id per alb. At auction 396 bass were all sold at 54d to 6d for ordinary to mid, and one lot 6id, the damaged realised 54d to 6d per lb. Cinnamon continues to be operated in with caution. Black Pepper has been dealt in with caution, and there are sellers by private treaty at rather lower rates. At auction 165 bags fair bright Malabar sold at 3d to *l, the value of better sort is aid to aid, and Sumatra 2-3,1 to 3d. For auction 5,000 bags are declared. White is wanted at 5d to 8d for low to fine. Nutmegs, sales to a fair extent have been made privately at 2s 6d to 3s for brown, 3s 2d to 43 for better sort, and lair to good limed 2t 7d to 2s 9d. Jamaica Ginger realised last week's rates. At auction 11 ca=ks sold at Si to 61 11s for good to tine. Est India tat IGs 6d to 18s for export sort, but the de mand does not improve. Mace at 2s Gd to 2s 9d for first sort, and inferior 2s to 2s 4d. Of Cassia Lignea the supply at market remains small, and the rates paid are 85s to 90s for low' to fine. Cloves—Penang at Is to is 6d, and Bourbon 61d to 7d per lb; of the latter 640 bags are declared for auction. DlCE.—East India is not offered cheaper than last week, but there has been less activity in the market, and the supply is small. In Patna a good deal has been done, chiefly for exportation, and prices rule from 9s 6d to 16s for low to Hoe. Carolina is operated in with caution, at 22s to 28; American cleaned is held for 20s to 21e, but there are not many buyers. In prices of Ar rowroot there is no variation, and . none has been offered at auction. In Sago sales are limited at 19s to 23s for small pearl, and 183 to 19s for Sago Flour. At public sale to-day 250 bags Bengal sold at 3s 6d for mid brokenn being the full faille. COCHINEAL —The supply has fallen off this week, and there is no variation in the value, still shippers or home dealers are not disposed to extend their operations. At sale 15 bgs Teneriffe were sold at 3s. 9d. SPIRITS.—The market has been quiet for Leeward Island aunt; price: are not lower. Only 200 puns sold at is 44 to is aid proof. East India is not to be ob tained under Is 3d; but few sales have been made. The business in Demerara is confined to 200 puss at Is 11 d to 2s 3d for 30 to 40 over proof Jamaica met with little attention from shippers or home deers; but former termstLtre 30 sustained. The sales are 150 puns at '2s Gd 38 of low to good quality, bette r sorts 3s 2dto 36 t0 o 3 v s e s r d' proof snd high flavoured 3s 10d to 4 s 4d. The market is quiet for Brandy, but rates are firm, Cognac, best Brands of the Vintage of 1848 at 4s 6d to 4s Ed, and 1849 at 4s 5d to 4s i d. ILOw.—This afternoon at public sale 600 pkg e of South American Tallow in part sold at 34 s 6d to 365, - and low to 33s to 345; 340 cks of Sydney, low t o fine 32s 6d to ' The market remains in a favourable positions 0 35 n 11 5. 6 d _ for Linseed Oil. There are few sellers under 3 3 cwt, as supplies are limited. For delivery several 3 35, per con tracts have been entered in at 32 s 6 d to 32 s 9d, g a p e Oil prices are firm at 36s 6d to 37s for pale, and 358 to 35s 6d for brown. Cocoa Nut met with little' attention, and sellers are willing to accept 253 to 31s for Ceylon and Cochin. In Palm operations are upon a limited scale, and the best will not realise more than 295, as several parcels are near at hand. There has been a better demand for Olive, and prices are firmer, sales of Gallipoli and Spanish having been made at 421 to 434 Barhary, Levant, _and Portugal 401 lOs to 411. The market is firm for Seal, and a good demand exists for pale at 311 to 321 ; of brown, yellow, and straw, supply is still small, and 29/ lOs to 301 'Os is the value. Cod is not cheaper, still safes have been limited by privrto treaty: At auction 20 tuns sold at 341. 10s. Of Sea Elephant 80 tuns were disposed of at 321 to 3315 s for first and second sort, and 4 tuns Southern at 321 to 321 10s for mid. Sperm Oil is 20s lower, but Ileadm etter still realize stiff rates. At auction 134 tuns mostly sold st 831 to 841 5s for the former of good and fine quality, and at 901 to 2215 s for the latter Last evening the magistrates of Middlesex, to the number of nearly IGO, entertained the Marquis of Salisbury, the Lord-Lieutenant of the county, at dinner at the Sessions House, Clerkenwell. The chair was occupied by Henry Powriall, Esq. The banqueting hall was tastefully decorated for the occasion, and the dinner was served by Mr. Staples of the Albion. PETITIONS. The Duke of RICHMOND presented several peti tions from factory workers complaining of a breach of faith on the part of the Legislature with regard to the Ten Hours Act. _ The Earl of YOWIS presented several petitions to the same effect. COAL MINES INSPECTION BILL The Earl of CARLISLE moved theitlaird reading o this Bill. Lord BROUGHAM objected to this measure alto gether. He bad objected to Lord Ashley's Bill with re gard to factories, and he had entered his protest on the journals against any interference between employers and employed, and he considered this Bill was going a step further, and was an unjustifiable interference with the rights of property in land, and in mines, and in minerals. The mere faet of authorizing an inquiry by inspectors was a serious interference with the rights of owners of mines. Those inspectors might be under the influence of secret adversaries. Sir Samuel Romilly had objected to all Factory Bills for regulating the labour of children as an undue interference with the rights of parents; he did not go so far as that, but he contended that it was absurd to interfere by legislation to prevent a woman of fifty from accepting what employment she might think proper. This Bill even interfered with the manner in which the owners of coal mines were to keep their ac- counts. This was a step in the wrong direc tion ; but this sortigiof legislative interfering, under the guise of humanity, between the employer and the employed, was so popular that he found his opposi tion would be of no avail. No men had such in terest in preventing accidents as the owners of mines themselves, not only for the purpose of avoid ing clamour, but because it was their pecu niary interest their interest as regarded pounds, shillings, and pence —to prevent accidents, for the works destroyed by these accidents cost them three or four thousand pounds, and could it be their intention to destroy this property ? The greater portion of these ac cidents were owing to the carelesuess of the miners themselves, who smuked in the mines, and neglected louse the Davy lamp,:and no inspection in the world could guard against the carelessness of the working miners them selves. _ _ _ _ _ . . The Earl of C ARLISLE defended the provisions of the Bill. He feared that it would be fallacious to trust to the pecuniary interests of the owners of mines fur providing for the safety of the miners.: The Earl of LONSDALE opposed the measure. It had been introduced in accordance with the dictates of a lactitious and got-up agitation, and was opposed to the wishes alike of mine proprietors and of working miners. The inspectors would be sure to find fault; all Govern ment inspectors of that nature always found fault, they got their living by finding fault, their bread depended on it, there fore they might rest assured that all Govern ment inspectors would find fault. The Bill wai then read a third time and passed, after the insertion of some additional clauses. THE LIVERPOOL PETITION. The Earl of EGLINTON moved that the parties ordered to attend be discharged, and that M'Arthur and others be ordered to attend at the bar on Monday next. The Lord CHANCELLOR, thinking that it may be necessary to prevent a failure of justice, to have other persons called to the bar, had suggested to the Noble Earl the propriety of postponing the motion until Mon day, in order to have persons called to prove the hand writing of the parties. Lord BROUGHAM said it would not be necessary to call witnesses to handwriting, because, if a party con. fessed al the bar, the House proceeded on that confession. The LORD CHANCELLOR said, that when there was evidence, that evidence might be read, and the party might be asked if he admitted it; but here the only evidence against the party was his own. The Earl of EGLINTON understood the Noble and Learned Lord wished for further evidence. _ _ _ The LORD-CHANCELLOR thought it would be as well to call evidence to the hand-writing. Lord BROUGHAM said the parties had confessed before a Committee. They could not alter the whole course of their proceedings by calling witnesses to hand writing. Lord BEAUMONT could not understand why they should not at once proceed as two of the parties were in attendanc. The LORD CHANCELLOR said that the report of the Committee was not so complete as to authorise the House to proceed upon it with turther evidence. (The Noble and Learned Lord here read the report.) That report did not mention the name of a single individual. Lord BROUGHAM considered that the report and the evidence were sufficiently explicit to authorise their Lordships to proceed without further evidence. He did not object to the postponement, as one of the party was absent, and it was better they should all be present. The order was then discharged, and the parties were ordered to attend on Monday at five o'clock. (Lure SITTING.) HOUSE OF COMMONS. The SPEABEII took the Chair at twenty minutes after Twelve o'clock. THIRD READINGS. The following Bills were read a third time, and passed Commercial Gas Company and Poplar Gas Light Com. patsy. Earl of Shrewsbury's and Grace's Trustees' Estate. THE NEW SOLICITOR-GENERAL. Mr. COCKBURN, the new Sulictor-General, took the oaths and his seat for Southampton. The Hon. and Learned Member was introduced by Mr. Hayter and Lord Marcus Hill. The Hun. Gentleman, after taking the oath, took his seat on the Ministerial bench, amid the congratulations of several Members. Several petitions were presented for and against Sun day trading in the Post-office. MERCANTILE MARINE (No. 2) BILL. The House then resolved itself into Committee on the Mercantile Marine (No. 2) Bill, Mr. BERNAL in the chair. Clause 70 was agreed to after a short discussion. Clause 71 was struck out on the motion of Mr. LA BOUCHERE. On clause 72, At the suggestion of Mr. HENLEY, Mr. LABOUCHERE agreed to the reconsideration of this clause, and it was accordingly postponed. Clause 73 was also postponed, on the motion of Mr. BAINES. Clause 74, which provides that a sailor shall not be entitled to wages during any neglect of duty, was agreed to after a short conversation. Clause 75, providing for courts to be held in foreign ports on masters or men accused of misconduct in mer chant ships, gave rise to considerable discussion, but was ultimately postponed. On clause 76, Mr.r BAINESHE N HENLEY Y th o o b u j g ec h td to the t t e the elaus e e rz ef ht t b h clause. e e dispe n3ed wil,thheriltc clause et was h w er : , 8 accordingly rdingly struck out. 77alsColcaluasueses 7 8 a ge anc t i o s with amendments, as were Some discussion arose upon l ' clause 82 as to the meaning of the word coast i ng trade, but it was cut that short by Mr. LABOUCHERE statin g it would be explained in the interpretation clause, and the clause was agreed to. Clause 83 was struck 7 7 B t. 8, 89, 90, 91, 92, an d 93 were Clauses 84, 83, 86, 8 agreed to with some slight serbal amendments. On clause 94, lylr. HENLEY observed that this Bill would author ise the Board of Trade to deal with large sums of money the property of private individuals. Now, he had no confidence in the Board of Trade; as a body it might disappear to-morrow; and be wanted to know if this money would be &posited with some party or parties, who should give security for its safe custody? Mr. LABOUCHERE said some arrangement might be made with the Treasury fur the safe custody of the money, but he would take time to consider the point. Mr. CARDWELL remarked that under this Bill the b ppi n g master would pay the sailors, and his receipt for the aggregate wages to be paid to the crew of a ship would be a suficient discharge to the owner. Now what security did the Bill give the sailor against fraud or de falcations on the part or the agent? Mr. LABOUCHERE said securities would be taken from the spent, but he would consider the matter before the report was brought up. The clause was then agreed to as was also clause 93. On clause 96, Mr. CARDWELL raid this clause forced the master of a; ship to give his crew characters at the end of a voyage. Would not this provision lead to considerable difficulties and much litigation in cases where the character given was bad? Mr. LABOUCHERE did not think any such diffi culties would arise, and as he attached much importance to this clause, believing that it would have the effect of improving the reputation of the mercantile navy, he must pres it. Mr. FOX MAULE reminded the House what was the practice with respect to soldikrs who have left the army. In the printed certicate of a soldier's discharge, a blank was lett to be filled up with a description of his character on leaving the army. If the soldier had a good character that blank was filled up with the word " good ;" but if his charac ter was bad the blank was filled up, of course, with the word " bad," and in the latter case all that the soldier bad to do was to tear the obnoxious word from the certificate.—(Laughter.) Mr. HENLEY thought that the clause as it stood was so objectionable that it was deserving of reconsideration, and he moved that it should be postponed. Mr. CARDWELL oltjettsd to the clause on the ground that it tended to delegate penal powers to the Board of Trade, to which he was strongly opposed. Mr. LABOUCHERE eventually consented that the clause should be postponed. On the 97th clause, which empowers the shipping master to call for the production of evidence, such as the log-book, &c., in the cascs of disputed claims, being read, Mr. WAWN proposed the omission of the clause altogether. The gallery was cleared for a division, but none took place, Mr. Wawn having withdrawn his amendment, and the clause was ordered to stand part of the Bill. The 98th clause, as slightly amended, was agreed to. Clause 99 was struck out. It being now three o'clock, The Cnentatax, on the motion of Mr. WANIN, re ported progress and asked leave to sit again on Monday next. The House resumed, and then immediately afterwards adjourned until Five o'clock. The House resumed at Five o'clock. PETITIONS. Mr. HENRY presented a petition, complaining of the operation of the 9th clause of the Friendly Societies Act. _ Lord HARRY VANE presented a petition from Dar lington, against certain provisions of the Savings Bank Bill. Mr. LACY presented a petition from Mr. Ross, a surgeon, complaining of the adulteration of the milk supplied to the metropolis, and pointing out a mode of remedying the evil.—(Cheers and laughter.) Mr. HAMILTON presented petitions frum Preston and Scarborough against the admission of Jews into Parliament. Mr. BRIGHT presented a petition from a place in Gloucestershire against church rates. Mr. C. PEARSON presented a petition from the vestry of Lambeth, complaining that the petitioners were grievously and unjustly treated by the Commissioners of Sewers, in that they had been assessed to the extent of 25,0001. during the last year in the matter of sewerage of which a very small sum had been expended, and that there yet remained 18,000 feet ot open sewers in Lambeth which required to be closed. The Hon. Member asid it was his intention to move that the petition be printed. and that he would call the attention of the Members of the Government to it on Monday next. Mr. B. OSBORNE presented a petition from M. Wm. Yates, of Cornbill, and Mr. Robert Ford, of Battersea, praying that the House would promote steam communi cation between this country and our colonial possessions. THE ATTORNEY-GENERAL AND THE PATENT LAW. Mr. MILNER GIBSON asked the Noble Lord, the First Lord of the Treasury, whether, on the appoint ment of the new Attorney-General, there had been any new understanding that the emoluments of that office, arising out of the procuration of patents, would not be considered as standing in the way of the reform of the Patent Law, which was highly desirable? He did not presume to say that the Attorney-General had any vested interest in those fees; but he thought such a change could not be introduced without some such un derstanding with that Gentleman. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said his Hon. and Learned Friend the Attorney-General would be perfectly willing to assent to a relinquishment of his fees, arising from that source.—(Loud cheers.) (WILLIAM'S-TOWN, IRELAND. Lord DUNCAN complained that a report, which he moved for three months ago, respecting the improve ment of William's-town, in Ireland, had never been pro duced and laid on the table. Lord SEYMOUR said he had frequently written to Ireland for the report, but had never been able to get it. PARLIAMENTARY OATHS BILL. Mr. ANSTEY asked the First Lord of the Treasury whether the Government would consent to the present session being prolonged until the Parliamentary Oaths Bill had received the decision of Parliament?—(Oh, oh, and laughter.) Lord J. RUSSELL believed the only answer he could give was to repeat what he stated last night, namely that he should declare on Monday the course he in tended to pursue with respect to that Bill.—(Laughter.) LIGHTHOUSE ON THE GALI fA ISLAND. Mr. HUME asked the First Lord of the Admi ralty whether, after the dreadful loss of the Avenger, any steps had been taken to erect a lighthouse on Galita Island or the Agluglia Rocks; or, what would be a still more important boon to the navigation of the Me diterrannean (and especially to vessels bound to Malta), on the Sherki Rocks, on which another lamentable wreck took place, the Athenian, 64, in the year 1806. All the surrounding nations would probably join in such a noble impracticable. Sir difficult perhaps, but by no means Sir T. BARING said the Admiralt y could not erec t a lighthouse on a fore i g n t erritor y without the cons ent of the Sovereign to which it belonged. He was not aware that any c orrespondence had passed through th e Foreign-office with respect to the erection of a light house on the island in question. COUNTY RATES BILL. Mr. J. WILLIAMS wished to ask the Hon. Member fir Manchester whether it was his intention to proceed with the County Rates Bill this session. Mr. M. GIBSON said it was very obvious what his intentions were with respect to the Bill at tbis late period of the session; but he wished t) state, as his Hon. Friend had put a question. that he had undertaken the charge of the measure at the request of several persons in different parts of the country. The principle of the Bill was sanctioned by the House, and the second reading agreed to without a division, but the House had thought proper to hand him and the Bill over to a hostile Committee, whose real intention was not to amend but to destroy it. His campaign had therefore been unsuccessful, but he hoped, after the strong expression of the country on the subject, that the Government would introduce a similar measure next session, because it was quite impossible for any in• a P s A h li o s l t N i e G t T o Ot the B said i t a h n e d r e remindedwas no dividual Member to do so with an y c h ance of success. foundation bitu that ii for the statement of the Hon. M em b er that the Com miSttierejw. was a Committee entirely of his own selection and one to which he (Sir J. Packingt on ) entertained serious' objections.—(Hear, hear.) Sir GEORGE GREY observed that all he could say in reply to the Hon. Member (Mr. M. Gibson) was that the Committee took a good deal of evidence in re ference to the Bill. That evidence, as well as the practical suggestions of the Committee, be would take into his consideration during the recess, but he was not prepared to say that the Government would bring in a Bill founded - on thetis next session. CHARITABLE TRUSTS BILL In reply to Mr. GOULBURN, Sir G. GREY said he hoped the House would assent, to the third reading of the Charitable Trusts Bill this evening. Mr. MILNER GIBSON said that he proposed to ask the House to read the Manchester Bonding Bill a third time on Wednesday, but ho could assure the non. Gen tleman that the Bill was not the same Bill as when it was originally introduced. RICHMOND PARK. In answer to a question from Lord DUNCAN, Lord SEMOUR said that the best communication whili he had received from° the late Duke of Cambridge was to desire that the orders and regulations of the Park might be modified, so as not to interfere with the public convenience.—(Cheers.) LANDLORD AND TENANTS (IRELAND) BILL. In answer to Mr. BRIGHT, Lord J. RUSSELL said that he proposed to adjourn some day in the n ex t week but one for the second read ing of this Bill, ADJOURNMENT OF THE H OUSE.—P OST OF FICE ENQUIRY. On the motion that the House , at its risin g , until Monday next, Mr. FOSTER enquired whether the enquiries respect ing the Post-office, had commenced, by whom it was conducted, and how long it would last, and also whether Government would take any steps before the report was presented. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that it had already commenced, and that it was conducted by Lord Clanricarde and Mr. Laboucher e , and Mr. Grey. He did not app rehend that it would take much time, and he did not think it advisable to take any steps until their report was presented. Yr. HUME was proc , sling to put some questicus re lative to the grant to the family of the late Duke o Cambridge, when The SPEE AKER informed the Hon. Gentleman that he was speaking to an order of the day which was not yet read. The motion for adjournment was then carried. QUEEN'S MESSAGE—GRANT T THE FA MILY OF THE LATE DUKE O OF CAM BRIDGE. On the motio n that the House go into Committee on the queen's Message, Mr. HUME wished to know what was intended to be done when they got into Committee. He wished th e N oble Lord to strte to the House gene rally what hi s v i ews and intent i ons were, and the c,n -_ d tions upon whi c h he propose d t o make the grant. The Mouse WWI probably not aware that many years ago an annuity of 27,0004 per annum was voted to the late Duke, which he continued to receive up . to the time of his death. The allowances to the Royal Family, too, had been greatly increased by the changes in the currency, and on that and other grounds they ought to consider upon what principle the grant should be made. The King of Hanover had most unwarrantably, he thought, continued to receive his allowance of 21,000/. on the Duke of Cumberland, and he had twice asked the House of Commons to recon sider that allowance, but the House, on both occasions, refused to entertain the subject. Besides that allow ance 250,0001. a year was paid to Hanover, as a subsidy, but according to his idea of the matter the payment ought to have ceased the moment Hanover obtained an independent Sove reign. Now these were circumstances which ought to be looked to before they made any additional grants, and he had therefore prepared an amendment acmrdingly, but he was anxious nut to move it if it could possibly be avoided. The House then went into Committee. Lord J. RUSSELL then rose, and said he should confine the observations he had to make to the subject of her Majesty's most gracious message. The question ( f whether the annuity paid to the present Duke of Cambridge was rightly paid or not under the authority of the Act of Parliament, constituted a totally beparate matter, and the Committee had now only to deal with the case of the present Duke of Cambridge and his sister, the Princess Mary. Now, the late Duke of Cambridge, by an Act passed in 1778, was entitled to part of an amount of 60,0001., which was allowed to George HI. for the purpose of granting annuities to his ounger sons. One of the provisions of that act was, that none of the younger sons should at any time be allowed more than 15,0001. per annum, while the annuities which fell vacant by the death of one son was to pass to the survivor. Under this act 6,000/. was added to the annuity of the Duke of Cambridge, and afterwards a further [annuity of 6,0001. a year was granted to him. The whole sum paid annually to the late Duke of Cambridge as an annuity was 27,0001., but by a subsequent Act passed three years ago, an annuity_ of 30,000/. sv.,s settled upon the Princess - Augusta, whiCh was to come into opera. tion at the death :of the Princess Sophie. The next matter for the consideration ot the House was the case of Prince George of Cambridge. The Honour able Gentleman the Member for Montrose was in error in supposing that there was a settlement made by Parliament ot 6,0001. a year on the present Duke of Cambridge. The further question arose, whether Prince George of Cambridge inherited from his father any considerable amount of property. It had been his (Lord John Russell's) duty to inquire into this subject, because there were rumours that a very large amount of property which was in possession of the late Duke of Cambridge had been left to his children. Those rumours, he found, had been very considerably exaggerated. The sum which the late Duke had left to his children was divided into three equal portions, between the present Duke of Cambridge and the two daughters of the late Duke, the Princess Meek lenburg •Strelitz and Princess Mary; and Prince George of Cambridge was charged with the payment of annuities to the amount of 1,6001. a-year during the lives of the persons to whom those annuities were left by the late Duke of Cambridge, which would absorb the whole of the third part of the money which had been left to him. All that remained to the present Duke of Cambridge was the sum of 1,200 a year, which he would receive in the shape of rent from the estate at Coombe-wood. The House was well aware that while it was true that the late Duke of Cambridge did not exceed his income, and that when he was Viceroy of Ireland he made some saving out of his income, it was likewise true that those saving; were notto any considerable amount, and that the amount which the late Duke of Cambridge bestowed in charity was always so munificent to prevent his amassing any considerable fortune. The best statement he (Lord J. Russell) could make of the situation of the present Duke of Cambridge was that, besides the income he had derived from the army, he bad no other income except the 1.2001. a year derived from the small property of the late Duke of Cambridge. He had income which he derived f. om his professional services in the army; but with re spect to the income derived from that source, Prince George of Cambridge has always done his duty as a soldier— (Cheers) —and that income was as fairly his right as the income of any officer in the army.— (Cheers.) He (Lord John Russell) therefore came to the conclusion that, in answer to her Majesty's message, the House ought to make some provision for the present Duke of Cambridge.—(Hear, hear.) Now, the question arose as to what that provision should be. Under all the circumstances he had come to the con- elusion that the proper sum to allow the present Duke of Cambridge would be 12,0001. a year. He pro posed that the Princess Mary of Cambridge should have 3,0001. a year, the present Duchess of Cambridge had 6,0001. a year, and the Duchess of Mecklenburg-Strelitz had 3,000/. a year, making altogether 24,0001., which would be 3,000/Jess than the late Duke of Cambride had. Mr. HUME rose, and was (LEFT SPEAKING.) COURSE OF EXCH. Aminelorun .. •• • • •••• 12 1 %1 WM). threemonths.. 12 3 Rotterdam .... •• • 1 2 3 intwerp•• •• •• •• •• •• •• 25 70 Brussels •• •• ...... 25 70 liamburgh ••M.B. 13 11 3 { Purls, 3 days i slght 25 47% GE.-(THIS DAY.) 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The adjourned debate on English and Irish Universi ties was then resumed by Mr. It. PALMER, who called the attention of the House to what had transpired on the last occa sion. The Noble Lord (Lord John 'Rus sell) had stated, to the surprise of the House that it was his intention, without reference to any vote which might be come to by the House, to advise her Majesty to issue a Commission, to in quire, not into all the universities mentioned in the present motion, but into the universities of Ox ft:rd and Cambridge. They had to deal with two distinct classes of corporations—the universities which were corporations of a public nature, and colleges which were regarded as corporations of an entirely charitable nature. With respect to tho universities. they were cor porations of an unique character, and returned members to Parliament. In every point of view, the functions which they exercised were of a public character, and he apprehended that they ought to be dealt with according to the rules which governed and applied to public or municipal corporations. There were two classes of cor porations—the civil and ecclesiastical. The universities were lay corporations, and if that were so, it was set tled in point of law, that the Crown had no power to alter their charters, any more than it had to alter the charters of municipal corporations, which could only be altered by, the authority of Parliament. The colleges were charitable corporations and the: Crown had no power whatever to institute changes in them, un less Parliament should think right to sanction the pro posed changes. The Hon. and Learned Member here went into details of certain Acts of Parliament, passed in rt ference to the universities and colleges in the reigns of Henry the Eighth, Elizabeth, and Mary, and their bearing on those institutions; but in the case of the University of Oxford, any change attempted to be made fell a dead letter, and the changes which took place were made by the parties themselves connected with the colleges composing the university. It was, after those periods to which he referred, determined that the universities and colleges were strictly lay institutions, and that nothing could by possibility confer on the Crown any power to meddle with those universities and colleges. That was in the time of Charles the Second. After that James the Second attempted to exercise a power in relation to the universities, but the attempt had been gallantly and manfully resisted, and every historical authority down to Macaulay had recorded it. —(Hear.) It was quite clear that whatever they de served to have done with respect to the universities, they must now come to this House; and the question was, would it be wise in Parliament to abandon its functions, and give its assent to act in the manner just as the Noble Lord proposed. He thought it was the duty of the Noble Lord, and those who with him proposed the opposite course, to come forward and state explicitly what they meant to pro pose, in order that Parliament should have the op portunity of digestin g it, an d o f cons id e ring the course which it ought to take. It the course proposed by Go vernment should be persevered in, there would be very great reluctance, and much conscientious scruples on the part of those wh o f e l t a d eep i nterest in the universities, togive voluntary i n f ormat i on . Why s hould this Com mission issue at all?—(Hear, hear.) Where was the necessity for it?—(fleas.) The Noble Lord had said there had been inquiries into other corporations of not less importance than those of the universities, but he (Mr. Round e ll P a l mer ) ma i n t a ined that even in these cases to which the Noble Lord had referred, the cases of municipal corporations, it would have been more re gular if those „inquiries had taken place under the au thority of Parliament; and with respect to the Noble Lord's own statement on this subject, he thought it so exceedingly unsatisfactory that ho really could not see on what ground the Noble Lord could show that the pro posed inquiry was necessary. He believed that most important improvements might be effected in their universities, but he wished to see thoseim provements effected by the parties connected with the universities, and he felt satisfied that they would be really far better effected in that way than by the course proposed by the Noble Lard.—(Hear, hear.) If new halls were opened in the universities , nothing could be easier than to introduce a new system, and diminish the expense of each class of students. Did the Noble Lord propose to do that by the contemplated Commieion? It appeared to him that ho intended no such arrangement. It was not demanded by public opinion. He was sur prised to hear that the Noble Lord, in his proposal of the Commission, was influenced by a desire to co-operate in the arrangements of education given at the univer sities by the local authorities. The Noble Lord evidently had been misinformed as to the actual ar rangements of the colleges respecting education, and the bearing of the statutes on the subject of study. Nothing could be more large or lib era l t h an t h ose s t a ' totes. Was Parliament then to be asked to dictate the number of lectures for the students, and the mode in which they were to be delivered ? Under the eye tern aiopted at Oxford, some of the ablest men of the day had been produced, including many of the Noble Lord's most distinguished colleagues. No change or in novation was required, and no disturbance of the exist ing foundations of the universities would tend to any good. What they really wanted was, not a commission, but a better means of giving scope to the intentions and spirit of the founders. A just interpretation of the statutes would always be found to recognise the utmost liberality of sentiment on the part of the founders. In dealing with this question, they should not forget what the colleges had dune and what the Crown had not done. They had spontaneously adopted a liberal interpretation of the desires of their founders, and opened their doors to merit as widely as they consistently could. The Crown, on the other hand, had allowed the power of visitation, which it possessed, to fall, comparatively speak ing, into abeyance. - It simply acted as a judge of appeal in cases brought forward by persons who considered themselves aggrieved. If the Noble Lord adopted means for compelling the vi.itors to do their duty, then, in deed, the Government might congratulate itself on the wise and judicious course of exercising the powers with which the law now invested it. The interference of the Crown with Trinity College, Dublin, in allowing the fellows to marry, alleging their large revenue, shewtd the danger of upsetting the diets, of old-established sta tutes. While he admitted that room still existed for improvement in the management of our universities, he contended that such improvement could be obtained by the existing powers of the law, and would probably be brought about through the desire ar.d tendency to im prove which existed in our universities; but if anything further were necessary, the legal powers of visitation would be found sufficient to entorce it. Sir G. GREY thought the inconvenience which gene• rally arose from an adjourned debate of nearly three months' standiug had been considerably countert,alanced by the moderate and temperate tone adopted by the. Honourable and Learned Gentleman who resumed the discussion. The Honourable and Learned Gentleman had referred to the illegality of issuing such a Commis sion as that proposed, aad also to the inexpediency of adopting such a course. As far as the legality of such a Commission was concerned, he had only to refer the House to the frequent instances in which Commis sions of a similar import had been issued by the Crown. He would also ask the House to bear in mind that the Commission was not to baie compulsory powers, as if such were conferred upon it, no doubt it would be illegal. —(Hear, hear.) It was simply proposed to limit it to inquiry, without giving the power of compelling wit nesses to make say statements before it, which they might feel disinclined to do. Some years ago a com mission was appointed to inquire into the necessity for a corporation reform, which had to deal with vested in terests the same as the one now proposed would have to deal with, and during the debate on the appointment oft which, in the other House of Parliament, Lord Brougham then declared it as his opinion, that the issuing of such a Commission by the Crown was per fectly legal, such being justified by precedent as well as by the constitutional law of the realm. Several other Commissions had also been appointed of a similar tendency. In 1824. a Commission was appointed to inquire into the state of the educa tional establishments in Ireland, and although that in quiry was limited to those establishments which received Government grants, yet the principle on which it was ap pointed was similar to that on which it was sought to establish the present Commission. -It was unnecessary, too, that he should refer to the Commission which was appointed to inquire into the Scotch universities, first into all of them, and afterwards into some particular ones. Those Commissions obtained much information in the course of their inquiries, and which had been of great importance in placing them on a better footing. In 1830, under the Government of the Duke of Welling ton, another Commission was appointed to inquire into the revenues derivable from the Irish benefices. Another was appointed in 1832, as respected Eng land and Ireland, to inquire into the revenues of the episcopal sees and the ecclesiastical benefices in those countries; and another in 1835 to make inquiry into the revenues of the Established Church in England and Wales. In all these cases he believed that some difficulty, as to parties not being com pelled to give evidence before these Commissions unless they should deem it proper to do so, was to be met and overcome; but still the information those Commissions obtained was most important, and when once issued, those Commissions found but little difficulty in eliciting the information they required. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman had admitted that the Crown had a right to issue a Commission of inquiry into a lay corporation, ex isting under a charter from the Crown, and the Com mission now claimed having no powers to alter the con stitution of the bodies, their inquiry was to be directed to, or tce r eurtail theta of the powers they now en joyed, the general rule of law would not by conceding such Commission be at all interfered with. Mr. R. PALMER said, as a general rule of law, be did not dispute that the Crown had the power to issue inquiries into such cases; but he denied that there was any similarity between the two. Sir GEORGE GREY—At all events, under the gene ral rule of law the abstract principle wss in favour of the issuing of such a Commission. In 171$ a Commission was appointed much similar to the one now moved for. The case which originated it was referred to the Privy Council, and it was then decided that the Crown had an undoubted right to visit the universities referred to, and a Commission fur doing so was accordingly issued. As to the expediency of issuing such a Commission, be thought the Hon. and Learned Gentleman had himself adduced ample reasons for doing so, for he had stated several important alterations which it was necessary to make in those universities, but which it would be impos sible to do without full inquiry into the subject, and for carrying out the inquiry a Commission was absolutely necessary. He would be the last man to advise such a course, did he conceive that it would tend to impede those improvements which were necessary in the univer ... sities, or should it be calculated to bring any charge against the heads of them. Ile had too lively a feeling of the benefits he had derived from them while under the tuition of those men, to take any course which would tend to those results. If he had not derived more benefit than ho bad it was his own, and not his teacher's fault; but at the same time he could not shut his eyes to the fact that reforms were wanted. It was, however, in no hostile'spirit to the universities that this Commission was proposed. As to the heads of those universities being precluded from giving their evi dence on oath, he did not think that was correct, as within his own experience the,University of Cambridge had made application to have their statutes altered, and the heads of that university were not precluded from giving their evidence respecting them. After, however, what had been stated by his Noble Friend at the head of the Government, the course ho felt called upon to ask thelHouse to pursue would be that they should adjourn the debate until that day three months, and he therefore moved accordingly. Mr. JOHN STUART said he regretted the course the Right Hon. Gentleman had announced his intention of pursuing. The Right Hon. Gentleman had assumed that everybody admitted the legality of the Commission; but he bad an amendment on the paper in respect of it, upon the discussion of which he would show that the course proposed was totally illegal. He would, there fore, ask the Right Hon. Gentleman to withdraw the motion he had now made, and allow him to take a dis cussion on his amendment. Sir G. GREY said ho should be sorry to prevent the Honourable and Learned Gentleman from introducing his amendment, and he should in the mean time with draw his motion in order that he might introduce it; and Lord JOHN RUSSELL, having stated that his Right Hon. Friend would renew his motion at an after period of the debate, Mr. STUART introduced his amendment, which was, that any advice given to her Majesty to issue a Royal Commission for inquiry into the state of the revenues and management of any colleges or halls of the two Universities of Oxford and Cambridge, not being of royal foundation, tends to a violation of the laws and consti tution of her kingdom, and of the rights and liberties of her. Majesty's subjects. Such Commission as that pro posed would have no power of extracting the truth, for it had been admitted that it could not compel people to give evidence before it; and, therefore, what would be the use of it? The gentlemen connected with those uni versities were as much entitled to their emoluments as any landed proprietor in the country, and he considered the proposed Commission illegal o❑ the ground that all Commissions were illegal which compelled a man to state how be was engaged or employed his revenue. It was an es sential principle in the law of property that no man could injure the right of another who held property in common with him. It was said this Commission was not to be invested with (compulsory powers. But suppose it was not, were - nine men to stand out and not give evidence. and a tenth yield and give information respecting the matters is which -the- other nine were interested, he should like to know in what an invidious position such a man would thereby place himself ? The Right Hon. Gentleman had said that a number of Commissions had been issued for a similar purpose, but it so happened that not one of those Commissions had been appointed to in quire into how private property was enjoyed. He had also stated that Lord Brougham had, in the House of Lords, supported the appointment of a similar Commis sion to inquire into the corporations, but that was not at all a similar object. Besides, at the time Lord Brougham was a member of the Government, and was, no doubt, in a manner called on to support Government measures; but it did so happen, that the Noble and Learned Lord had given his decided opinion against the appointment of the present Commission; and, therefore, if his opinion was good in the one case, so it was in the other.—(Hear.) The Right Hon. Gentleman had also said that the Crown had a visitatorial power in respect of these universities, but that power was merely traditional, and only gave the Crown the power to settle disputes when appeals were made to it from those universities. There was, however, no appeal in this case, and therefore there was no power to appoint a Commission. He did not speak simply as a lawyer when he said that an ambulatory Commission of the description proposed had no right to institute such an inquiry as that proposed to be adopted with regard to the universities. They could not, how ever, shut their eyes to the fact that the great question of the Dissenters being admitted to the honours and emolutne: is of the universities, was the object really in view in bringing forward the proposition. The Hon. Mover of it admitted it would bo a sort of step to that result, and the Noble Lord at the head of the Govern ment did not go se far; but he stated that the speech of Lard Stanley settled the question. Now in his (Mr. Stuart's) opinion that speech was pretty much like Lord Brougham's—(A laugh)—and if the Right Honourable Baronet the Secretary of State for the Home Department referi ed to it he would find that such was the case. The Noble Lord said, and Dis. senters said the same thing, that many of these colleges had property which was held and governed by their own statutes, and, he added, that he wished for some information on the subject, so as to ascertain if the sphere of education could be enlarged. One of the Noble Lord's infirmities as a statesman was that ho never came directly to his objects, and if he in- D il tended to do that which was sought for by th e Renters, as no doubt he did, why did he not franks) lesee the House and th e cou ntry that such was h is intention!. These Commis s ions, however, to inquire into their teel versities were not a n e w project. IQ 1647 a Cornel': ,ion was institut e d by P ar li a ment with a vie w to abolisn the ststutcs of the universities, in order to more extensive, and a Prime Minister of that d of Na eeak enough to commit . himself to that proceediagl But his conduct had been Commented on is the avenge!! terms by a great historian; for Lord Clarendon the that the visitation which then took piece lasted till In d following 3 ear, when the Earl of Fembroke the Ler make then Treasurer, and who, as Chancellor of the of Oxford, took the usual oaths to defend its righ k. the we ble and privileges, had, in consequence In isera u twos of his understanding, and the a part witht) compliance of his nature, taken in order Presbyterians, the Commissioners and Prelate • "nvited the universities. These universities were 1 reform • • • though strictlyub. to submit, but having met in convocation, niversity, guarded with troops and the King in prison, th e y P i s . lished declaration denying the power of the come: _ sioners, in consequence of which 'they preseet. office. That, however, could not be done in the then th , e e n de . day ; but they might adopt the expedient sorted to toe ards persons whom we re ejected ell! Anthony We( scribes es " a pitiful set of men called seekers." el laugh.) It was also said of these Coo:llhissiollers. not only did they ceok to possess themselv es of the Tee bre venues of the univer s ity, but they commenced akiesd the fiddles and destroying the garlands whic h theY f °eD t in those establishments.—(A laugh.) Another virtuatterePo was made when times became more liberal, and by of royal authority, as in the present instance. n e e ` t e s t Stuart), as a lawyer, denied the legality e t, , the authority. Parliament certainly had the power,ell" eh Crown had not an inherent authority to institute etheer a Commission as the present. In 1687 zn e n i s . Commission was issued, and an attempt to instal a A, to senter in Magdalen College; but that also was resist:li. w ee and the consequences whic followed were known That was a college, the endowments o f which erof perhaps the least devoted to purposes of educsti elt eo . any other in either university; but they refused t 0.00,131 ply with the wishes of royal authority, and he De ed o f refer to the passage in Mr. Macaulay 's England," where their conduct and public Petr i e ° I s e• were described in the most eloquent and glowieee the guage. It was that resistance which establisheuf t ee liberties of England, and led to the expulsion 0 to King as well as hie Minister, Lord Sunderland, weebe(lbfer, as weak as the Earl of Pembroke in 1647. e ee Stuart) had to apologise to the House for detitielnst them, but he submitted that all the authorities Mesita " issuing the Commission were with him, and b e e s r i feoll conclude by submitting his motion to the tionsiee*-1 of the House. tie Right t Mr. H. DRUMMOND thought that if t- Hon. Baronet (Sir G. Grey) was right in congratultdtio the House upon the advantage derived through th e re beelloe of this debate, and the tone with which it bed opened, alluding to the speech of the lion. en d D ear tre Member (Mr. R. Palmer), the House might b e e lghl tulated also upon the altered tone taken by the oat lion. Gentleman—a tone so totally different fro' (to ed in which the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Hey f r o 0 0 the question, and, it must be added, froth t e be e , e ler adopted by the Noble Lord (Lord J. Russell), n e ee et of the e ch more moderate this might have been 00 I "ed to Hon. Gentleman.—(Hear, hear.) There seeleteeeet be some confusion in the minds of many a w s e l r o e l e b y e ige u d ej o i t i f i and intention of these universities. They' not places of primary instruction. But it . wits ti t b i ri e , Oa f of the Government to do its best to warn the y s o subjects of the Crown generally, against impos tor oil every kind, and to provide a lace call it ell ic e e r r ovs should college, or what you would—where 17-03ine• t. be known to undergo sufficient elthould Lon in certain subjects, and that 00; that receive something in the shape of a certifics.ewhich they were duly qualifie.l for the professions end they assumed to be learned, and io be th e , g ut e:te, or assistants of the people, whether in inedieeee, ;„;„ion divinity.—(Hear, hear.) Whether t he Ce 113 , - e - e s site which the Noble Lord had advised the ant i was technically illegal or not mattered eerYe- the the co question turned more upon the colneesiti°njon td) ft:mission, and the duties assigned to it, the n ee r eoll'e tof the Commission itself. H e (Mr. 1) 2 .11 ,7 diov confessed he was somewhat seetics!, soniew ue- ie j° Pr f r culty, as to the effect of it, when he referred te P t ° readings of Whigs upon former similar 001°1;03 ine with him a copy of a Commission sent V A ' t oes l what they called "good old times"—`` g °() ; late' ) always meaning when Whigs acre in office. -- ( ee ire in t° I 1690 they sent down a Commission to ieele" io oere the universities of Scotland ; and the Conemtnlesi,pror; were to summon, warn, and c h a rge the pri n ees s ,miso fessore, masters, &c., to appear and answer an' u tb° the Commission, and likewise to summon, 11 the lieges who had anything to object ageitille 1 opeitt, to said principal, professors, masters, etc., fi and give in the same. In one of th eir were acts the Commissioners stated that tb e Y Wer e come to try if any of the maste rs gi bing negligent; to inquire how many meetings fo r tea wha t they kept in a day, at what time, and for how long ed . t he discipline they exercised, how often they exs e3 L ij e scholars, &c.; likewise to call for the foundstri° sty laws, and consider how they were observed, ae u n :teb c 'e how the revenues were managed, &c. The erseei ere", published this—no doubt he must have been P a siren P Tory—(A laugb)—remarked how easy • t was to reeliras appear that the maste r s' g reatest eriine l 'A "astbeir and preferments.—(Hear, and a laugh.) yen indeed, would depend upon the persons appoioteej e eee the same time this should be considered—if the to assumed to herself, or that House to itself, the a r t y , c ) er by inquire how these corporations used their proProta what argument was the Crown itself to be proteotead her a commission to inquire as to how the Q property?—(Hear, hear.) The whole 77 " ntte:so n l Ir k r fear very much as if she Noble Lord had fallen int° "e ot to into which heads of G ov ern men ts were very ,:ttboet fall, taking upon themselves affairs of this s e° l e o; l e consulting their Cabinets or any person OM P e e os sibl i e inform them—(llear, hear)—for it seemed °e n ate' that any one who knew anything of what rr ,, e , fl o tt o es 'el O f. of the duties of these universities, ever could twe e sanction any such proceeding.—(Heir, ir, heat e) eenete nt %,- versities were become, by lapse, totally inoweetee s e e, discharge their duties to the public at large le ca rre l in h which the public might be benefited—( H o 0° be tw e it t h th t e he w ir ay pr t o o pe r r e t m y e a d n y d t t h h a e t ir w ri a g s ht n a. t ( t u o e r r, r 11 3) t o e llell- 1; 11° : Roman we ought to do was either to open t'e e to 0, 1 Catholics and Nonconformist., or vs ° ivies" one con seele grants of public money to build colleges,' the Catholics, and another for Nonconformists' Wh" e to e `: • It degrees wasperfee a t n ly d i h nl o p n o o s u a r i s hl o e f fo t r heuniversitie s t .:g e e n the ° e ft them to con ,shte versities merely as parts of the Church es l4hi s l , est °. after they had themselves destroyed that C hure' ll P r °: l e is a la se ment, and after that House, containing se °i f pagii t d enemies to the establishment, sat nightie' 't/,broegee inent upo it.—(Hear, hear.) A great fallacy ra e r l ' o pen } , the argument of the Honourable Gentleman lee tang l e this debate as to the things which ought to e e fes P at the universities. The two principal P a tr , 1 . 1 1 ; alluded to were modern history and ene de e by - guage. With respect to modern history, e,eaot is Drummond) did not exactly know what was l e e e pbl e ' it. Whigs were famous fur writing political P! c eet h e ; which they called histories—(A l aue h)---en e , 1331 ,, ° to °A gin with Fox's " History of James," and go ontleeei latest that had come out; and if the Hoe• tiel e t e° meant that it was very important that the b e should be taught to the rising generation, eeeeeieeee- Drummond) must differ from him—Ulcer.) eee-seeetee it was a matter of taste.—(A. huh.) With r i - " err modern languages, the Hon. Gentlemang was -n of °° le There was a great advantage in the knowledge e o eOP, dern languages to those who had to mix wi th jertu e among whom they were spoken; but it was 1111° e l e f est : neous adv to suppose that you could ever derives e tt - o f 0 . - ; eien a t ntage from the study of modern languag auoiei• as .—(Hear, hear.) There was a little e rror , l l e o f le e e to the object to be effected by the teaChia £0 guages at the universities. It - hled no 01ere ttg-I We de with the subsequent use to be made of thos e h d e' than the learning to fence or to danc e Pa nott !)- with the subsequent walking. You w ere - 0 4 cause you had learned • to fence, to ge e c o il tht carte and tierce through the world; tell t h „ 4 Stir' not proper power over your limbs un'ei a tite/se in these exercises. So with the learning e e n ioe B nf gnages; the great advantage was that the 7,df thereby exercised in a way iu which it c ouldne t Tio i e" other means. Illustrations might be fel l° „; fief t House during the last century; let any one p e:lecter eP ) eminently w those had been distinguished le ee e e -f (el e eet' Theho had been most learned at college' se e- e knowledge of German .°° had been 'Artie f p er o il Pied. You would find a greater nuathe e r c' t ba s o , o l o o; e w v tio ey d w fi h n e d re ß a n b g r l o is a n d well versed in Englis h gages, and the reason Peop a l s e si w g e n l e l d ve a r h s r e o d ad in v f a o s e t l rt a ,% o 0 0 0 1 6 ; literature was not only so much richer, bu h - ni ebif e et ex purer, that English was necessary for those wh- thet y t ie e!Fised themselves in light reading, becansed Tie; el __reading on the continent was so corrupting ° le el" r- r e Now, there were many persons here exceedlg t e eey at the introduction of Popery. Elan re elga of right instead of wrong, in point of fact, th e o ee t ecti e eeoe greater danger to this country from the ile tr , t est . of German literature, filling people's minds wit" eu erte e e e r• minable system of neology. If there Was tee of se e d) which we ought to be jealous, it was the It e n - r il 0 0- 00 many, and especially Prussia. He (gr*: - t ll OO l very much disliked everything that can:lee:oe lee quarter.—(A laugh.) In politics Prussia ` I f Sh ° or treacherous of all countries during the whole ° O r/ I f ' war; it as the most b ase; it followed t bis ° for if °Ol France, according as it cou ld o bt a in someth ing that frai, It was a Minister o f P russ i a w h o w as the I s,l coeTe," convicted of receiving money to betray e' e t , o rre. os t of Prussia was the great centre from which all , t " fed w _ _E eh urope came forth. If there was one thief ', it s e o f chei suffering universities ought most to be Warr ettsiele n ff it , r r u i e n t g Lo G n er o m f aßnulgitleiarhatuyroeuttho.—be(come t, , e p r.) the was i was exceedingly glad the adjournment il o r 11il'ejl e v egb a a e tefi e it i b e; moved. [An HON. MEMBER.—" That m otion mi ld v et o drawn."] It was • it fie . gee" to be moved wol); "- Ministers an opportunity of remembering thoughts were best."—(l.lear hear.) fi be t; -a Opt t wir Mr. E. BUNBURY said the first queetion done Cher the Crown had the power to inquire into I", e fee t t ee remedy' ehmi t g thh h oa t ate e t x hde i e s rf t eee i t n a t h he universities , wi . til ieti ol/ "teil 4 believed ee werefor , that power in the creation of the Coneenissoeyed re, or inquiries and report the measure of reeni e 'l l- issieeeti' was afterwards fuunded, and also on the Cone ° tow ie Ee e e e Inquiry which preceded the formation of ti le o f ill precedents for leiftire%der gic`t; cal Commission. Now be said,' for the ese e eet t b versities themselvee, it was most desirable t ile be e go° merous and grave charges against them sh e° chs i eer f the et investigated. He believed that many oil 11 , which were made against them were bas e d a neous ideas as to the nature and constiltir THE SUN, LONDON, 1 1 111 D AY EVENING, JULY 19, 1850. I aro of e a he t hit