The Sun. — London, England, 1851-07-05 00:00:00

SPORTING NOTES No. LXXVII. THE LIVERPOOL CUP, &c. TO THE EDITOR OF TEE SUN. Eatt,—The Liverpool Cup, value 200 soya., in specie, added to a Handicap Sweepstakes of 25 sorsa each, 15 forfeit, and . only if declared, with various penalti es an d con ditions, the _ e t onsequenoe of the handicap being very i n j u di c iouslypu . Imbed in April, ie the next st a k e o f no t e that claims is the particular attention of the sporting world._ It is run on Thursday next; and i s , as usua l, over the two mile coarse. Out of the ei g ht y - e i g ht nomin t ation sto it, these not wily thirtyeeight have c r i e d conten t ; and more than a dozen or fifteen, at the outside, will find their way to the post. Among th e m i ss i n g ones, I imagine, will be found Cossack, Elthiron, Cli nc h er , Rhesus ' : Windischgratz, k, Damask, Brother to D oug h, Borneo, Earl of Warwick, Legerdemain, Teddington, Crookahanks, Colt by Charles wi XII., and Cyclop s . A ccor ding to my latest accounts, s,the moat certain runners are Glauca, 5 yrs, Bst 71b ; Officious, 4 yrs, 7st 91b ; S trong bow, 5 yrs, 7st 21b; Champion, yrs, ist 21b, or Backbiter, 6 yrs, ist 101 b ; the Mar qais, 8 yrs, 6st 101 b ; Abbess of Jervaux, 4 yrs, 6st 41b, g'ad 3 1 1:4 extra ; Yivandiere, 3 yrs, sst 121 b ; and Breba, 3 yrs, Art. It is very probable, however, two or three of the following may also start, viz. :—Russborough, 4 yrs, Bst 71b; The &windier, 4 yrs, 7 st; Lady Eden, 4 yrs, Est 121 b; Hip pitytua, 3 yrs, Set 121 b, and 51bs extra; filly by Harkaway, dam by Rush, 3 yrs, sst 101 b ; Jack Leeming, 3 yrs, s s t 61b ; and another of Dawson , s in Snowstorm, Chief Justice, or Col s ter disose. Mr, Payne's chance with his chesnut daughter of Cotherstone—a five year old at Set 71b, is by no means a remote one ; Glauoa's runn i ng at t h e a l m a of last season proved her powers of staying an d carrying weight ; and it would not surprise me to see her, or her companion in the top weights, Russ borough, heading the field in 'the " return lists" of the day the Latter'a ()hence is a good one if meant for this stake, as he can not only compass the distance but go the pace. Backbiter I cannot fancy ; with the exception of' one or two, his feats have been very mediocre. Offici ates, I believe, will represent the Goodwood interests, anti as she is once more in her wonderful two-year old form, the middle weights, perhaps, with the so litary erneption of Strongbow, will have to concede the palm of victory to her should it fall to any one of this lot. Mr. Drinkald's Cyprus, if his running with Pitsford in the Great Yorkshire Stakes was true, ought to run forward here; but I doubt his doing so very much. The five-year old Strongbow, at 7st 21b, must possess a respectable chance this time atsuch a weight as the handicapper has allotted to him; the only tear I entertain with respect to him is that he will find the distance a little too far ; he, however, will b e one of the first four. Champion, same age and weight, as Strongbow, is held perfectly safe by the latter, Leger demain, as I before remarked, is not likely to be found at the post. The Swindler at 7st, is perfectly useless for this event. The Derby victor, Teddington, at Est 131 b, and 101bs extra for winning the " great go" of the present year, making together 7st 91b, is placed hors de combat ; yet, etrangeito say, some o f th e public have invested on his chance. Chief Justice and Lady Eden are much on a par; I do not think that their day of days will be in the ensuing week. Landseer is hopeless, at least in this instance. Mr. Watts's three year old sea of Birdcatcher and Ellen, the Marqus, has appeared in public six times, in five instances coming off as the conquering hero; but, these feats it must be borne in mind were accomplished on the other side of the Channel on the fee-firmed Ourragh, where the various competitors possess, except in rare instances, a peculiar habit of running most abominably " in and out," thereby defying, to a great extent, iay certain calculations on their merits. This peculiarity does not streets itself so much to The Marquis as to many othe rs . AA he has become so great a favourite for this event, I will Jet glance over his performances: he made his first appear anee at the Curragh in the last September meeting, when, carrying Bst 41b, he won the Anglesey Stakes by a neck from the Perdita filly, Bst; the filly by Harkaway, dam by Rust, lasing the second place (in attempting to gain the first b y go ing up between the Perdita filly and The Marquis, in which attempt she failed) by a length. Ten lengths or more divided the held (which consisted of the Marquis of Caribbas, Dearest Mae, Circe filly, The Abbess, Lord Edward, Coquette, and Lurches), from the leading trio. Whipcord and steel was used pretty freely in finishing. The Marquis's second appearance was on the Tuesday in the October meeting, when he beat the Monies colt by a neck, both carrying Bst; and on the following Thursday, with Est 51b pp, won the Lord-Lieutenant's Plate by three or four lengths, beating the Monica colt, Est 51b, second; Tancred, bat 51b, third; and Ives others, of no account whatever. His next appearance was in the April Meeting this year, when he won the Queen's Plate (1 in. 6 fur. 3 yds.) very easily by five lengths, carrying 7st 11b, beating Blucher, 6 yrs, lOst 41b, second, and three others. In the same meeting, on the last day, for the second class of the Madrid Stakes (1 mile, 130 yards) car ying Ast, he was beaten easily some ten or a dozen lengths by the Monica colt, 7st 81b, first ; Roller, 7st 91b, second ; filly by Harkaway, dam by Rust, Bst 21b, third. The field consisting of The Marquis, 9st ; Perdita filly, Bst 41b; Tan *red, 7st 91b ; and Tribute, ist 51b, were beaten early, not being able to live the pace. His sixth and last ap pearance was on Wednesday week, when he won the Queen's Plate, carrying 7st 41b (1 an. 6 fur. 3 yds.) very easily by mix or eight lengths, beating Tancred, same weight, second; 7at 11b, third, and five other trashy ani mals. His next appearance in public will be at Liver pool, where he will run unconamonlyi well, and if I am not much mistaken, will obtain a place, the third at least if no nearer. I shoeld have taken him as the absolute and uneondibismal winner had he not been weighted some six or seven pounds too much. The Abbess of Jer vaux, 4 yrs, Est 71b, is decidedly " well in ;" her chance is ly no means a "forlorn hope." Caurire will be no go. Hippdrytus, at Est 31b, if The Marc ais possessed a good thence at cyst bib, ought to be there or thereabout; but rumour whispers a tale about that for very potent reasons he will this bout not figure as A 1 at the judgment seat. If Ise should go to the post in form, he will be ens of the first three at the finish. Vivancliere has no attractions for me. Ditto Truth. The filly Xky Harkaway, dam by Rust, raceieving 141bs trona The Marquis, in lieu of the twelve she received from him in the race for the second-class Madrid Stakes, when she beat him Live or six lengths, and likewise showing a balance in has: favour of Nibs on the Anglesey Stakes rennin.. of last year, when she suc cum b e d a length to him, and the Perdita Ally ought, if meant for this stake, on the strength of such running, to be the absolute winner ! Colsterdale, sst 71b, and Jack Leeming, sst 61b, are " well in," and that is all I can say in their favour just now. Sir Joseph Hawley, as has been the case very often this year, is the lucky possessor of the favourite, who this time stands forth to the world in the shape of a black daughter of Touchstone and Lady Mary. Breba at sst, aided by such a light weight ought to be able to stay the distance ; yet some of the eJeverest judges of the day doubt her capability of king se. I am convinced she must run very forward, and nothing would surprise me less than to see in her the winner; at the same time, however, I feel inclined to give the preference to Sir Thomas Burke's filly, but this is eenditionally, as I am not certain that the latter animal will run, much less win. The first flight I should say would con siet of Glauca, Officious, Strongbow, The Marquis, Hippo lytus, Rust Silly, and Breba; one of the three last-named time winner, and as things at present stand I should be in clined to take BREELL for choice. A more decided %Onion on Monday or Tuesday. Betting this morn bag up to one o'clock :—Liverpool Cup-4 to 1 agst Threba, taken and afterwards offered; 6 to 1 agst The Mar suie, take 7 to 1; 8 to 1 agst Officious ;i 8 to 1 agst Strong bow, taken iraely; 12 to 1 agst Abbess of Jerveaux ; 12 to 1 each Glauca and Rassborough, offered •, 15 to 1 any ether. Little or nothing doing on the Goodwood Stakes. Preto in force A 10 to 1, taken freely. I am, Sir, yours, tee. THE SPIRIT OF THE TURF July 4, 11151. POLICE INTELLIGENCE. MARLBOROUGH-STREET. TUE LATE ROBBERY AT THE LONDON AND WESTMINSTER BANK. William Cauty, aged 69, and John Tyler, aged 62, were brought before Mr. Hardwick for re-examination, charged with stealing from the branch establishment of the London and Westminster Bank, St. James's-square, a eash-box containing two 51. notes and an account beak, the property of the directors thereof. The particulars of the previous examination appeared at ROM length in this journal on Monday last, and will therein.° be fresh in the recollection of our readers. The depositions having been read over the risoners wane fully committ e d on the above charge P The prisoner Canty was then charge d . with stealing from the Grosvenor Arms, Belgrave-place, Belgrave square, a eash-box, containing 401., belonging to Mrs. ;Lary Ann Allen, the landl a d y . Mr. Child, of the firm of Wire and Child, appeared for the prosecution, and Mr. Vickey for the defence. The Prosecutrix stated that on the 15th of May last th e prisoner Canty came to her bar, and called for a pint o f porter. She did not see him come in. He stood at the bar for some time. The bar door was partially open wad the prisoner walked i n an d as k ed permission to write a letter to a Mr. Lane, whom he stated rea intimate fiend of his. She allowed him to wile i n to the bar, and he then inquired about a li r . Webb, who was a customer of hers. She replied to his inquiries, and he the n t o ld h er that he al. Gay a made his (Mr. Webb's) house his home when he (pris one o wa s in town. A few minutes before the Vabsorier a in she had paid her brewer some money, 'which she took from her cash-box, and which she after witeds pl ace d i n a cupboard in the bar parlour, close by 'here the prisoner w as sitting, and Which the prisoner mast E ssen her oe seen d o while he was standing at th e oecasio u nu n e the prisoner was in the room she had be le f short time, and on her re turn she tF,are or a . boa conhli tung lhe prisoner gone, and her cash- She saw no more of the psisoner until ts t .,l l 4" also. She as the The prisoner last, when she saw him in custody. Rim who h a d b een in %ntified by two Lim leave the hottae bl lt° bar The prisoner was falVurrY" parlour, and who had seen The particulars of t h - , : 7 4 onaitted on this charge also. which appeared in the p ap i rrithension of the prisoners, lion before a magistrate, 4 R P"ivions to their exami ne- The prisoner C auty is on - e a n °l4 o, what incorrect. persons of his "class," and, p e ,i en t ke most remarkable pat peculiar and superior eise n t i lle only survivor of putters-up" of bank and jewel , - ` t ,_`` receivers" and tiehed in the time of the old police,taZ i ee v „ which flou appearing before the effects of the ll u e — , s "tis fast dis cm.), his been known to the old poli e ee r 124 1% system. Mae new detectives for about forty years ; b u ds • nd to is principally remarkable in the old police 4 lltory * a d police officer, who has had a very intia:' " ft : stettintiancowith him professionally, having declaredtet koneh his belief that Cauty has not had leas than 500 , 00 0 1. worth worth of property, consisting of jewels and bank-Ili:test, *rough his hands during the last thirty years. Some of "trines" in which Cauty has been more or less con earned or privy to are the 50,000/. bank -note and bill -rob bery at Messrs. Rogers and Co.'s. He admitted very re set:My to one of the detectives that he had all the notes in his possession for eighteen days. He was also ()m -od in the well-known Custom-house robbery, in which b oo ty to the amount of 40,0001. was obtained. The robbery at Sir John Pinhorn's bank was "put up" by Caul', the robbery having bee n effected by h is 00020 EILIAOII Jackson, since transported for a robbery at St. aneras workhouse. The Andover Mail robbery and the Bath Bank robbery also had the benefit of Cauty's " CPerilinc e- It would make a little volume to give even an outline of the cases in which Cauty has been con "leed* the particula rs o f which have been collected from pap ers foun in his possession and from his own eommenicatious. C a uty a lso declared to the police t e h p a ut s uthpe, rasznhteSknoth:Wheass tern gold-dust . . ro bbery was been touched as knows that not a grain of the dust his lit the rate of not lets It is stated that Canty has l ived %a 0,0004 a year for many years ) past. His appearance, though now verging towards 70, is of a kind to disarm suspicion, being that of a country gentleman rather than of an associate of thieves. PRINCE ALBERT'S RETURN FROM IPSWICH. ELECTRIC TELEGRAPH-OFFICE, BISHOPSGATE, JULY 4, 1851. Statement of the Progress of the Royal Train from Colchester to London, stipulating the Time it passed each Station, as appeared on the Telegraph Dials, leaving Ipswich 4.6 P.M. STATIONS. M. M. ... 4 26 P.M., special train in sight. 4 30 Left Colchester. .. 4 40 Colchester Marks Tey ... Kelvedon ... Witham... ... Chelmsford ... Ingatestene ... Brentwood ... Romford ... Ilford ... ... country—he had a downright horror of it—but he could not get rid of the regard which he thought due to pri vate property. Earl GRANVILLE felt very grateful to the Noble Duke for the admission which ho had made as to the merits of this Bill, and for his acknowledgment of the very great evil which it was intended to remove. He (Earl Granville) would not enter at present into the merits of the Bill, but would confine himself strictly to the question on the standing orders. Ile agreed with the Noble Marquis, that in ordinary cases it was import ant that the standing orders should be complied with. Bat there was a great difference between a Bill of this magnitude and importance and a private Bill of the or dinary character. When a public Bill was introduced into the other House of Parliament, if on the face of it any of its provisions affected the rights and interests of any individual or of any corporate body, it was referred at once to the Standing Orders Committee, to see what injury would he done to the rights and interests of that individual, or of that corporation. Then the Standing Orders Committee considered whether the parties would be put to more inconvenience by its being introduced as a public or a private Bill. If the interested parties were put to more inconvenience by its being introduced as a private Bill, then, if the due notices were not given, as in a private Bill, the proceeding ceased; but, if not, then the Committee considered whether they would be placed in the same favourable situation as if it had been intro duced as a private Bill. In this case the Committee of the House of Commons found that no injustice would be done to the corporation of the city of London by introducing this Bill as a public Bill; but on one particular point it ordered a notice to be given to the corpora tion in the course of March last. The Noble Earl then proceeded to examine the question whether any injustice had been done to the corporation by the course now pur sued, and, after some reference to the evidence given before the Committee in the House of Commons by one of the corporation officers, concluded that no injustice had been committed. When they recollected the notice which the corporation received from the Secretary of State in July last, and when they also recollected the publicity which had been given to the subject by the Committees which had been appointed, and by the in quiries which had been instituted, ho thought it quite absurd to contend that any injustice had been inflicted on the corporation in consequence of the notices not having been given, which, it was said, the standing orders required. He was of opinion that, if the House did not agree to the course proposed by his Noble Friend (Lord Beaumont), it would bring its standing orders into disrepute, and would not increase the respect now paid to the House itself. The Marquis of SALISBURY said that the motion of Lord Beaumont, if carried, would deprive the corpo ration of London of a boon conferred upon it by ancient charter. If their Lordships should adopt that motion the conclusions of the Standing Orders Committee in every instance would be called into dispute. Lord BEAUMONT observed, that his Noble Friend had s .id that if his motion were adopted, we should cast a slight on the reports and character of the Stand ing Orders Committee. He differed from his Noble Friend, and joined issue with him on that point. The Standing Orders Committee could not report otherwise than it had reported on this Bill. That Committee was appointed to investigate into the fact whether the stand ing. orders bad been complied with, and had properly reported that they heti not. It was for their Lordships to decide whether greater injustice would be done by adhering to their standing orders or by suspending them. The report, he admitted, was correct, and in due form; but the right of enforcing the standing orders was not with the Committee, but with their Lordships. The cor poration had not had formal, but it had received suffi cient notice. It could not, therefore, suffer any injury from the adoption of his motion. The Earl of DEVON contended that Lord Beaumont had not described satisfactorily the whole functions of the Standing Orders Committee. It was not correct to say that the Standing Orders Committee had only to in quire into the fact whether the standing orders had been complied with—for that Committee, having established the fact that they had not been complied with, had authority to recommendethat the Bill should not be proceeded with. It had also authority, if the justice of the case required such a recommendation, to recommend that it should be proceeded with. Now the Committee had not given such a recommendation with respect to this Bill; and in ab staining f rom thi s recommen d at i on had, in his opinion. exercised a just di sc r e ti on . Th e question in this case was simply this,—" Is the Bill of such importance that it is absolutely necessary to pass it this year?" He had looked very carefully into the provisions of the Bill, and he did not think that it would accomplish such an amount of public good as would justify their Lordships in dispensing with their usual orders for the protection of private rights and vested interests. Lord BROUGHAM observed, that in voting for the motion of Lord Beaumont, he merely voted on the point of the propriety of dispensing with the standing orders. All those Noble Lords who were opposed to the removal of Smithfield-market—and he confessed that he was strongly in favour of its removal—would have an oppor tunity of stating their opinions hereafter, and would not be precluded from opposing this Bill by any vote they might give now. He had originally been of opinion that this Bill should have been treated as a private Bill, and that the standing orders as to notices ought to have been complied with; but on more mature reflection he had had more than doubts of the correctness of his con clusion. This market of Smithfield was impeachable or rather indictable as a public nuisance. —(Hear, hear.) It might, he repeated, be so proceeded against. [The Lord Chancellor said a few words—we did not hear them —seemingly in contradiction to this dictum of Lord Brougham.] Ho repeated that he thought that Smith field-market was a public nuisance, and that the rights of the corporation were endangered by continuing such a nuisance. It was a nuisance as a market, and it was a still greater nuisance on account of the dangers which environed the public in its avenues and approaches.— (Hear, hear.) By the course proposed by his Noble Friend opposite, those who opposed this Bill were not shut out from opposing it; the corporation was not shut out from defending this nuisance. It might still resist the general cry for improvement, and might still main tain its right to stand by its ancient nuisance. —(Hear, hear.) It was not true that the House of Commons had treated this as a private Bill. It was theretore for their Lordships to consider whether they would treat it as suc h. If, however, he were asked, "Supposing it to be a private Bill, will you suspend the standing orders?" he had no hesitation in replying that ho would, and give his support to Lord Beaumont's motion. Lord REDESDALE observed that it was the duty of the. Committee under the standing orders to state their opinion, and to report it to the House, on the question whether those orders had been complied with. and whether, if not, the Bill should be proceeded with. In this case the Committee had reported in the negative on both these questions. If this motion were carried it would be the first instance in which the report of the Standing Orders Committee had been disregarded and set aside; and it would open a door to injustice which they would hare great difficulty in closing here after. The House then divided, when there appeared— Content ••• ••• 76 Not content ... .•• 22 Majority _ 54 The result of the division is that the Bill for the re moval of Smithfield-market will be proceeded with. PURCHASE OF LANDS (IRELAND) BILL. Lord BEAUMONT moved the second reading of the Purchase of Lands Facilitation by means of Trust Funds (Ireland) No. 2 Bill. Considerable sums of money had been lent on landed property in Ireland under the provisions of the Act known as Lynch's Bill, the trustees being first mortgagees; but since the En cumbered Estates Act was passed, a puisne creditor had power to force the sales of an estate, and the prior mortgagee was precluded from bidding for the property or interfering in the sale. The property was thus sold for what it brought, and the mortgages were therefore rendered comparatively valueless. The Encumbered Estates Act by its operation had depreciated the value of land throughout Ireland generally. Unless they took steps to enable capital to go to and remain in Ireland they would make the Encumbered Estates Act, which might have been a most useful measure, one of the most dangerous character, against which the hostility of the country would be undoubtedly directed. The Bill he proposed would prevent that danger. He moved that it be read a second time. AMENT. ... No direct communication. ... 4 48 ... 5 1 ... 5 12 ... 5 17 ... 5 28 5 33 Stratford ••• •.• 5 37 Do. Central Junction 5 38 Western Junction .. 5 39 Devonshire-street ... 5 41 Mile-end ... 5 42 Brick-lane ... London ... 5 44 .. 5 46 BANK OF ENGLAND. (From last night's Gazette.) An Account, pursuant to the Act 7th and Bth of Victorla,cap. 82 for the Week ending on Saturday, D zr-L NT. the ii 28th ,r. day of June, 1851. ni: Notes isstied • . .. .• .. _ 27,693,495 Government debt •• 11,0 f 5,100 Other securities .. .. 2,984,900 Gold coin and bullion 13,660,120 Silver bullion .. . • • • 33,375 -----. £27,693,495 I Z 27,693,495 M. MARSHALL, Chief Cashier. I Dated the 3d day of July, 1851. RANKING IC £. _PrqrletOreCilpit9.l.• 14,553,000 nest .. -. •.•.. . • . • • 3,105,220 Public deposits (in clnding Exchequer, Commissioners of National Debt, Sav ings-banks, and Di vidend accoun,s) • • 9,162,585 Other deposits ••• • • • 9,012,082 Seven day and other Bills ••••••• • •• • • 1,080,126 436,953,013 Dated the 3d day of July, 1851. HOUSE OF LORDS, July 4. The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat upon the Wool sack at Five o'clock. MASTERS' JURISDICTION IN EQUITY BILL. On the motion for the second reading of this Bill, Lord CRANWORTU expressed a doubt as to whether the Bill would work satisfactorily. After a few words from Lord LYNDHURST and Lord BROUGHAN, the Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be referred to a Select Committee. CHARITABLE TRUSTS BILL. _ Lord REDESDALE presented a petition from the company of clothworkers of the city of London, praying to be heard by counsel against this Bill. SMITHFIELD MARKET REMOVAL BILL. Lord BEAUMONT rose to move that the standing orders be not insisted on in relation to this Bill. It was of such a public character that it was really to be considered as a public Bill, and ought not to be thrown out upon a mere technicality. Their Lordships had always taken care to defend private interests affected by public Bills, and there was nothing in the motion which he proposed to prevent parties interested from being heard by themselves or their counsel against the Bill. It was the custom of their Lordship s w ith regar d to really private Bills, to insist by their standing orders upon the parties affected having duo notice of the inten tion of the introducers of the Bill; but in this case the provisions of the Bill had been of such p u bli c notor i ety that it was impossible to imagine that every in habitant of the metrop o li c h a d not had ample notice. It was true that th ere was no formal notice given in the Gazette in October last, but such an adver tisement would have given the p ar ti es i n t ereste d no more information than they h a d b e f ore . Communica tions had passed bet ween th e G overnment and the Cor poration of London on th e su bj ect , an d t h e l atter had in reality had perfect notice, and had no substantial grounds of complaint. In many similar cases, such as the Regent's Quadrant Removal Bill, no reference had taken place to the Standing Orders'Committee. The Battersea Park Bill, the Che!sea Bridge Bill, the Holy head Harbour Bill, had all been treated as public Bills, end the Bill for removing the Haymarket had been treated as a public Bill by their Lordships. In this Smithfield Market Removal Bill there was no clauses repealing any charter, and no injury had been done to the Corporation by their not receiving notice. His individual opinion was, that it was a public Bill, but he put it to their Lordships whether, even if they con sidered it as a private Bill, they would not assent to a suspension of the Standing Orders. Lord REDESDALE considered this motion to be of great importance, as well on account of the importance of the Bill to which it related, as on account of the in nate justice of the ease. First of all, his Noble Friend insisted that this Bill ought not to have gone to the Standing Orders Committee at all; and then he argued, that even if it ought to have gone there, and if the Com mittee had reported against it, the report ought not to be regarded, but the standing orders ought to be sus pended. In the other House of Parliament no one ever expressed a doubt about sending this Bill to the Standing Orders Committee; _and it had been very properly sent there in that House, as it was also sent here. It was essentially a private Bill, and if their Lordships should once allow the Government the power of bringing in a private Bill without affording to private interests the protection which they bad always hitherto enjoyed, they would expose the rights and properties of individuals to dangers to which they had never hitherto been exposed. The Noble Baron had then maintained that if the Bill were a private Bill, the standing orders ought to be sus pended, and had quoted precedents to show that they hid been frequently so suspended. But on what grounds had that been done? It was always in cases in which the Standing Orders Committee had reported that the stand ing orders ought to be dispensed with. He undertook to prove that there never was a case in which it was so clear that the standing orders should be complied with as the present. One of the reasons for establish ing the standing orders regarding private . Bills was, that it was only fair that those whose private interests were assailed by bills of attack should have time given them to prepare for defence. Now, what would have been more easy in the present case than for the Government to give the corporation notice of its intention to proceed with this Bill during the present session? It was proved in the evidence before the other House that soon after the close of the last session the Government had sent a communication to the corporation in which they asked whether it was their intention to remove the market, and that the reply of the corporation was that it had no such intention. He maintained that on receiving that reply the Government should have served the corporation with notice of their intention to introduce this Bill. The con sequence was that the corporation, not having received any notice from the Government, resolved to bring in and did bring in a Bill of their own. He had watched, as it was his duty as chairman of the Standing Orders Committee to watch, all the proceedings in the present Bill, and the protection which he now awarded to the powerful corporation of London he should have awarded to the weakest an poorest corporation in the kingdom. He asked their Lordships calmly and deli berately whether the corporation of London had done anything to forfeit its right to such protection? Uunder these circumstances, unpleasant as it might be to him to oppose the further progress of this Bill— which might be a desirable Bill, although not regularly introduced—he must resist the present motion. He did conceive it to be a very unusual course for the House to set aside the conclusion of the Standing Orders Com mittee. That Committee had a right to expect the sup port of her Majesty's Government. If it had not such support, it was impossible that its duties could be either adequately or properly discharged. Alter the title of this Bill, and suppose that it was not Smithfield but Co vent-garden Market that it affected—suppose, further, that the Duke of Bedford, as proprietor of the latter market, came to the Standing Orders Committee and claimed its protection—suppose that Committee reported in his favour, would not their Lordships, ono and all of them, come down to the House in order to protect him from the attack irregularly made upon him by the Go vernment? That protection which their Lordships would be ready to give to a member of their own body, why should they withhold from the Corporation of London? He cared not whether it was a large or a small, a rich or a poor corporation; but so long as he had the honour to remain in the chair of the Standing Orders Commit tee, so long should every c or poration a nd ever y p r i va t e individual receive from him the same protection. With that determination on his mind, he must oppose the pre sent motion. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE observed that the question then before their Lordships must be considered, not only with reference to the standing orders, but also with reference to th© importance of the Bill itself. The Noble Baron opposite (Lord Redesdale) had only discharged his duty in defending the report of the Standing Orders Committee. Valuable, however, as he considered the services of that Committee in the protec tion which they gave to property, they never were so valuable as to exclude the consideration of the public benefit to society at large in case of great contemplated changes. Although the statute-book was filled with at tempts made from year to year to separate public from private Bills, they would find that in many public Bills private interests were involved, and that in many private Bills public interests were also affected. When he heard it stated that this was a private and not a, public Bill, he could only reply that it was a Bill for the supply of this great metropolis with the most important article of food in the best manner in which it could possibly be sup plied. A private Bill, and yet with such an object! In every other country in Europe but our own the means of giving the best. supply of food to their subjects was con sidered so much a matter of public interest that the Government would not leave it in any other hands but its own. The best means of supplying good, cheap, and wholesome food to the inhabitants of this great metropo lis never could be considered as a matter of private in terest ; and therefore it became the Government, watching over the public interest, to provide that every one in this huge metropolis should have the means of obtaining meat in its best state and in the most effectual manner. His Noble Friend (Lord Beaumont), in the able speech with which he prefaced this motion, had referred to several Acts of Parliament as prece dents for the course which he advised the House to take with regard to this Bill. He had shown that, in the case of the Opera Colonnade Bill, in the case of Batter sea-park Bill, and in several other cases, private inter ests had been held to be subservient to public interests. The importance of those Bills sank into insignificance when compared with that of the present Bill, which had not been introduced without notice or without inquiry, but after inquiry continued from year to year—which was in itself a sufficient notice—and after discussions, in Parliament and out of Parliament, which had placed every man, woman, and child in this metropolis in a si tuation to know the object of this measure. The grounds stated by the Noble Baron opposite were not, in his opi nion, sufficient to set aside a measure required by the public for the public benefit. The object of the Bill was to set aside a private monopoly for a public good; and it was in reference to that object he now gave his un qualified support to his Noble Friend's motion.—(Hear, hear.) Such applications as the present ought not, he admitted, to be made on slight grounds; but, in this case, the grounds were strong and unquestionable. If the day should ever eome when there was the same necessity for removing Covent-garden market as there now was for removing Smithfield-market, he should be among the first to assent to a similar motion under similar circum stances, just as he know that his Noble Friend the Duke of Bedford would be the first, and not the last, to as sent to the removal of such a nuisance. —(Hear.) The Duke of RICHMOND was sorry that he felt himself bound in common justice to vote in favour of his Noble Friend's (Lord Redesdale's) view of the question—for he had a perfect horror of 6mithfield market—it was injurious to the public, ay, and it was injurious to the agricultural interest, inasmuch as it was not large enough to contain the beasts which they sent to it, and which were thus damaged and deteriorated in value. He wanted, however, to know, why Government had not given notice to the corporation in time, and why it was in such a hurry to proceed with this Bill, when it could introduce another regularly within six months' time ? Let the Bill be thrown out now, let due notices be given, let another Bill be brought in next session, and then he (the Duke of Richmond) would vote for it. His Noble Friend opposite had produced some prece dents for his motion; but his Noble Friend had not told them that the Acts which he referred to as precedents had ever been referred to the Standing Orders Com mittee, or that that Committee had reported upon . them at all. Now, who were the Members of that Committee? Peers of the highest character, chosen from both sides of the House, to see that private interests were ade quately protected. He had att en d e d many meetings of that Committee, and unless their Lordships backed it w ith their support, instead of overthrowing its deci sions, that Committee would be rendered worthless, and he doubted whether they would be able to obtain Peers to attend upon it. He repeated that Smithfield-market was at present 44 itiOnvoulenc9 *IA as injury to the Tho LORD CHANCELLOR opposed the Bill. He trusted their Lordships would not allow the money which had been appropriated for trust purposes, by men long gone to their graves, to be transported to Ireland, in order to purchase land there, and exempt trustees from the liability to which they were subject, and to which they ought to remain subject, to make good the loss arising from their lending money entrusted to them o❑ improper and insufficient security. He moved that the Bill be read a second time that day six months. The Earl of GLENGALL supported the Bill. It would in some measure tend to modify the operation of the Encumbered Estates Act. That House would be de graded and disgraced as long as they allowed that in famous and arbitrary Act to stand upon the statute book. Under it, property which was formerly worth twenty years' purchase, now sold for ton years' value; and thus, up to the present, upwards of a million of money was lost to the creditors of Irish property. Lord BEAUMONT replied, and defended the Bill against the arguments of the Lord Chancellor. The Noble Lord said that so convinced was he of the justice and necessity of the measure, that, though he might not succeed in carrying it, ho was determined to divide the House upon it, confident that it must pass on some fu ture, if not on the present occasion. Their Lordships then divided, and there appeared— For the second reading ••• "' 3 Against it ... 16 Majority against the second reading ... —l3 The Bill was consequently lost. The Survey of Great Britain Bill was read a third time and passed, as was also the Hainault Forest Bill. Their Lordships then adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS. July 4. The SPEAKER took the Chair at Four o'clock. PRIVATE BUSINESS. The Hartlepool Pier and Port Bill was read a third time and passed. The Lords' amendments to the following Bills were considered and agreed to:— Great Southern and Western Railway (Ireland). Great Western Railway (Railways to connect the Bir mingham and Oxford Junction Railway with the Lon don and North-Western Railway at Birmingham, &c.) Taw Vale Railway and D. , ek. Ministers' Widows and Orphans' Fund of the Free Church of Scotland. The rqort on the Caledonian Railway Bill was con sidered and agreed to. PETITIONS. Several petitions were presented in favour of the Ec clesiastical Titles Bill sad in favour of the rharnisoy Bill. STEAM TO AUSTRALIA, Viscount JOCELYN wished to ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he was prepared to carry out the recommendation of the first report of the Committee on steam communication with Australia? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said there were many points connected with the subject which were not considered by the Committee, and he could not therefore pledge himself to carry out their recommenda tions. BRITISH GUIANA. Mr. G. BERKELEY wished to know 'if it were the intention of the Government to lay on the table of the House the report of the Commissio❑ of Inquiry into the state of British Guiana, and also all the subsequent cor respondence which had taken place with respect to it? Mr. HA VVES replied that the papers already moved for, and now in preparation, comprised the documents referred to by the Hon. Member. PRISON DISCIPLINE. Sir JOHN PAKINGTON asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department, whether it was his in tention to prepare, during the recess, with the view to legislation upon the subject in the next session, any measure founded upon the report of the Committee of last year upon prison discipline, and especially with re ference to that part of the report which recommended the establishment of central prisons. Sir G. GREY said he entirely concurred in some of the views taken by the Committee in regard to prison discipline, and he hoped that he would be enabled at no distant period to carry their recommendations into effect. During the recess he should give his attention to the subject, in order to ascertain what course it would be most advisable to adopt. LAWS OF SETTLEMENT. Sir JOHN PAKINGTON asked the President of the Poor-law Board, whether it was his intention to bring in his promised Bill for amending the laws of settlement and rating, before the close of the present session, with the view of that Bill being considered by the country during the recess? Mr. BAINES said it was certainly his intention, as he had announced in the early part of the session, to sub mit a measure to the House on the subject of the laws of settlement and the removal of the poor. He had, however, been prevented doing so in consequence of cir cumstances over which it was well known he had no control ; and the session being now so far ad vanced, and the state of public business such that he felt he could not possibly introduce that measure now with any hope that it would receive that degree of discussion and deliberation to which its importance en titled it; and unless it did, the measure would not be attended with any public benefit.—(Hear, hear.) He, therefore, could only say that it was his confident hope and expectation that he would be enabled to intro duce such a measure some timo in the early part of next session. GREENWICH ELECTION. Mr. A. HERBERT asked the Right Hon. Baronet the first Lord of the Admiralty, if it was true that at the recent Greenwich election the workpeople in the dockyards wore granted a holiday, and still paid their wages? Sir F. BARING said the usual custom had been fol lowed by allowing the workpeople an opportunity of ex ercising the franchise if they possessed it, and as it had not been a practice to stop the pay on similar occa sions, it was not intended to do so now.—(Hear, hear.) THE NEW HOUSE OF CaMMONS. Sir E. N. BUXTON wished to ask the Noble Lord at th e head of the Government whether it was intended to pull down the present House of Commons daring the ensuing autumn, or to keep it up until such time as Honourable Members had had an opportunity of ap proving of the accommodation to be afforded them in the new House? Lord JOHN RUSSELL said it was not intended to pull down the old House until the new one had been fully approved of.—(Hear, hear.) He would take that opportunity of stating that after this week he proposed that the House should on Saturday mornings go on with Bills. PHARMACY BILL. Mr. WABLEY said this Bill was approved of by the College of Physicians, the College of Surgeons, the Apothecaries' Company, and some 30,000 chemists and druggists, and be should be glad to know from the Right Hon. Baronet the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether it was not possible to pass it this session? Sir GEORGE GREY said it was understood, last Wednesday, that the Bill should be read a second time, pro forma, with the view of introducing amendments. It was then to be reprinted and withdrawn till next session, so that the public might have an opportunity of , aying whether they approve of it or not. For his part, he should have no objection to proceeding with it this session, but loDking at the objections which had been raised to it he was afraid it was hardly possible to do hat. ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE. It was then agreed that the House at its rising should adjourn till Monday next. REGISTRATION OF ASSURANCES. In reply to a question from Mr. HENLEY, Sir G. GREY said that this Bill stood for second read ing on Friday next, when he hoped to bring it on. If not, he would take care that dae notice was given before it was brought on. ECCLESIASTICAL REVENUES. Sir B. HALL gave notice that on Friday next he should ask the following questions of the Noble Lord at' the head of the Government, for it appeared, according to the last report of the Ecclesiastical Commissioners, several prelates, within the last seven years, had re ceived large sums over the incomes assigned to them by Act of Parliament, namely, the Bishop of Durham, 79,6581 ; the Bishops of Chichester, St. David's, Salis bury, Oxford, Ely, and Norwich, 28,2671. more than their regular incomes. He would, therefore, ask whether it was the intention of the Government to bring in a Bill to obviate the inconvenience and ocea *ionsl hardships of these irregularities of income. Also whether these prelates had paid over the surplus to the Ecclesiastical Commissioners; and also, as it appeared from the same report, that the Archbishop of York, the. Bishops of St. Asaph and Ely, were indebted to the Commission 14,2251., and that considerable correspon dence had passed between the Commissioners and the Bishops on the subject, whether it was intended to take any legal proceedings to recover these sums. On the order of the day being read, Lord J. RUSSELL said that with reference to the questions of which notice had been given by the Hon. Baronet he could not help thinking that the coarse takcm was somewhat unfair to the persons concerned. If the Hon. Baronet had asked the questions at a day's notice he certainly could have had the information given to him. Sir B. HALL said the notice was for next Friday. , Lord JOHN RUSSELL—That was just what he complained of, because an evide❑t presumption would go forth to the House, and the public would believe that certain bishops were assigned certain incomes, and that they had received further sums, and had not paid over what was due to the Ecclesiastical Commission. lie would not go into the details of the matter now, but be begged to state generally, that after the Ecclesiastical Commissioners had considered the matter, and had come to the opinion that it would be best to fix a sum for each bishop, the arrangement made was that certain sums should be paid to some bishops and certain sums received from other bishops, instead of paying them their fixed salaries, which would have borne too much the appearance of a salaried office. The bishops were to take the risk of those sums exceeding or falling short of the income fixed, and the consequences were that some of the bishops had received more or some less than the sums to which they were entitled by law; but there was no power on the part of the House, or any one else, to claim these sums, any more than any other private property. Sir B. HALL explained, that what he had said was that certain incomes were assigned to the sees, but that certain bishops bad received larger incomes than were assigned, and that having undertaken to pay over the sums to the Ecclesiastical Commissioners, they had neglected to do so. That was the substance of his allegation. Mr. LIORSMAN rose, but was received with loud cries of " Order," which rendered it impossible for him to proceed. Mr. B. OSBORNE then moved the adjournment of the House. Mr. HORSMAN seconded the motion. His complaint was that on various occasions he had endeavoured to ob tain information, and had experienced not only how dif. ficult it was to obtain information, but how unfairly it was withheld. Mr. W. PATTEN interrupted. The practice of pro longing a discussion by moving the adjournment of the House had grown so common, that he put it to lion. Members whether, if it were persisted in, it would be possible to proceed with any regular business? Mr. HORS MAN said he was perfectly in order, and did not think the Honourable Gentleman had any righ to interrupt him. The SPEAKER said that if the Hon. Gentleman wished to remain in order he must keep to the question. Mr.IIOI3,SMAN, amid loud cries of "Question," rose . again • He could assure Hon. Gentlemen, and particu- larly the Hon. Member for Newark, that he was not to be put down by their cries of order. He reiterated his complaint, that it was impossible to obtain correct in formation of the ecclesiastical questions. Incorrect answers were often knowingly given, particularly in the case of Horsham the other day. Mr. H. DRUMMOND, as a near friend and relative of one of the belied prelates, protested against accusa tions being brought forward in a manner which entirely prevented any answer being given. Mr. GOULBURN rebutted the insinuation that he had given an incorrect answer with regard to the Horsham case. He had stated all he know on the subject. After a few words from Sir R. H. INGLIS, Sir B. HALL explained that what he said was, that it appeared by the Parliamentary return that the Bishops of Chichester, St. David's, Ely, Oxford, Norwich, and Salisbury, received 28,2671. a year more than the in. comes assigned to their respective sees. BATTERSEA-PARK AMENDMENT AND in thes p r r k e n n t ° B o a: t r e e r a s d e a ; EXTENSION BILL. A Bill to alter and ex t en d t h e powers of an Act of he ninth and tenth year s o f h er M a j esty ' s reign, inti tuled " An Act to e m p ower th e C ommissioners of her tfields, 's Woods countyto Smurraeyß,''oywaal Pa first time, ordered to b e rea d a second time on Thursday next, and to be printed. MERCHANT SEAMEN'S BILL. In reply to Sir H. WILLOUGLIBY, Mr. LABOUCIIERE said he proposed to take the Merchant Seamen's Billat twelve o'clock on Thurs day next. - ECCLESIASTICAL TITLES BILL. On the moti on f or the third reading of this Bill being proposed, Mr. J. O'CONNEL L said, as it had been found i that t wrg4 in we generally 011YOLliellt t 9 take ale debate on the question that the Bill do pass, he hoped the third reading would be agreed to without discussion. Mr. REYNOLDS could not sanction the third reading of this Bill of pains and penalties, because his opposition remained unabated and unaltered. The answer given by the Noble Lord at the head of the Government to a question pat by the Hon. Baronet the Member for the University of Oxford yesterday, led him (Mr. Reynolds) and those with whom he had the honour to act, to believe that no one in the House knew what sort of Bill this was ultimately to be. In fact, the Noble Lord who was the author of the Bill, could not tell what new shape it was likely to assume in the next 24 hours.—(Hear.) However, wiser men, and men more experienced in the proceedings of the House than himself, had advised that no division should take place on the third reading, inasmuch as, according to the forms of the House, it would not be competent for the Noble Lord to expunge or alter any clauses until the Bill had passed that stage. In giving his consent, therefore, to the mo tion, he begged it to be understood that it was that kind of consent which an oyster gave when it was going to be opened.—(Laughter.) He was not prepared to lend himself to such a farce as dividing upon the third reading. This political and religions camelion had changed its hues on every discussion, and what the next hue was to be, whether green, black, or drab, entirely depended on the collective wisdom of the nation.— (A laugh.) He begged to be specifically understood as reserving to himself the right of expressing an opinion upon this Bill of pains and penalties against his creed and his country when the motion was made that the Bill do pass.—(Hear.) The Bill was then read a third time. On the question that the Bill do pass, Lord J. RUSSELL said the first amendment which he had to make was, as he had stated yesterday, in the second clause. It was not his' intention to propose any amendment on the preamble, upon the addition of the Hon. and Learned Member for Abingdon, upon which the House had decided. He would not interfere with that decision. But in the second clause an amendment had been introduced without a debate, which was almost the same in substance as that proposed by the Hon. Baronet on the 6th of June, and which had been rejected by 133 votes to 129. The objection to the clause now introduced bad been then stated by theAttorney-General, and waslo the effect tient if they made a certain act the subject of a penalty they would be, in fact, creating two offences under the Bill. There was another part of the amendment about prosecution for publication in a news paper, which the Government thought unworthy the con stitution, and too small and paltry a subject for proceed ings on the part of the Crown, This part he also ob jected to. What he proposed, therefore, was to omit all the words in the clacse from the words " any person" in the 27th line to the same words in the 32d line. Sir F. THESIGER said the Noble Lord at the head of the Government had dealt with his (Sir F. Thesiger's) amendments with his usual skill and dexterity,—(Hear.) On what grounds the Noble Lord opposed his amend ment he could not see; and more especially as the Noble Lord had said it did not make any particular alteration in the general scope of the Bill. He said he would abide by the decision of the House; and therefore he was now astonished at the Noble Lord's opposition. He would advert presently to the discussion on the first clause as it now stood. In answer to questions put to him, the Attorney General had expressed an opinion that a misdemeanour was created with respect to these briefs and rescripts. But he had not at present to dis cuss that point with his Hon. and Learned Friend. It was, clear that any offence created by that clause was an offence with regard to past briefs and rescripts only. That being so, let them con s id er w h et h er hi s Hon. and Learned Friend had not conceded all that he (Sir F. Thesiger) required upon the present occasion —viz', the necessity of making some provision with respect to any future brief or rescript that might be introduced into this - country. What was the nature of the offence, if any, that was involved in the first clause? He appre hended that it was an offence which might be said to be contained either in the Act of the 16th of Richard 11., or in the 13th of Elizabeth. It must be an offence either for bringing those briefs or rescripts into the country, or making notification of them, or executing them in any way, as provided by the statute of Richard IL, or else it must be an offence as provided by the statute of Elze beth for using in any place within the realm " any such bull, writing, or instrument, obtained from the Bishop of Rome." Now they bad been warned that the object of their legislation was, as the Noble Lord had expressed it, " to repel a pretension to power over the realm of England, and a claim to sole and undivided sway, which was inconsistent with the Queen's supremacy." But how were they to accomplish that object? Certainly not by the legislation which the Noble Lord had pro posed, because that legislation had been directed merely against the assumption of titles, and could have no practical effect whatever. It appeared, however, that no brief or reseriot was of any avail until it had been received and published; and it was, there fore, against the receipt and p u bli cat i on o f such docu ments that they ought to direct their legislation. In deed he should say he believed it would be impossible for them to reach the root of the evil without directing their legislation to that object —(Hear, hear.) He felt sure that the Noble Lord and his Hon. and Learned Friend the Solicitor-General would readily concede to him that a brief er bull was of no authority until it was pnbliShed. That lama the doctine which had been ex • pressly laid down by Dr. M.Hale in his evidence before the Commissioners of Education, and by the professor of canon law at Maynooth. Now bulls were published by the authority of the bishops. As bulls and briefs were of no avail until they were published, he was anxious to know whether her Majesty's Ministers meant to say that the statute of Richard the Second should be in force at the present day against aggres sions of that kind; and ,he had frequently asked that question, but he had never been able to obtain an answer from the Noble Lord, or from his Hon. and Learned Friend the Solicitor-General, or from any of the supporters of the Government. In the clause which he had proposed he had considerably mitigated the se yerity,of the statute of Richard IL, and nobody would think of applying the penalties of prtemunire, the very nature of which was almost unknown at the present day, to any offence of that kind. He had framed his clause in the mildest spirit of modern legislation, and in the very direction which the Noble Lord had said they ought to pursue. What were the objections urged by the Noble Lord against that particular clause? The Noble Lord had repeated the objection of his Honour able and Learned Friend the Solicitor-General that the clause would inflict cumulative penalties. Now, the answer to that statement was, that the two of fences—namely, the offence of procuring a brief and the offence of publishing a brief were completely dis tinct; and the penalties attach, d to those distinct of fences could not be considered cumulative penalties. He could see no reason whatever why distinct penalti es should not be applied to each offence. Tne next objec tion of the Noble Lord was that the words " publishing or putting in use within any part of the United King dom any such bull, brief, or rescript" might possibly apply to publishing bulls, briefs, or rescripts in a news paper; and the Noble Lord bad added that that was too paltry an offence for any Attorney-General to conde scend to prosecute. But the Noble Lord was entirely mistaken upon that point. The publication of a bull, referred to in the clause, was such a p u bli cat i on as that which he had already described, by affixing it to the church doors, or by publishing it throughout the different churches in each diocese. The publication to which the Noble Lord had alluded was not the publi cation of a bull, but the publication of a copy of it, and would not come within the operation of the clause. The Noble Lord had further stated that he objected to the term " procuring" those bulls from Rome, because it would be very difficult to obtain any evidence of that fact. Now that difficulty might exist; that might be an unfortunate circumstan ;e, but they ought not to refuse to pass an enactment which was right in itself merely because there might be a difficulty in enforcing it. Those were all the objections which the Noble Lord had stated to the clause; and he (Sir F. Thesiger) appealed to the House whether he had not satisfactorily answered them? —(Hear, hear.)—But the Noble Lord had suggested that those additions to the Bill had been introduced by him (Sir F. Thesiger) in the spirit of persecution. Lord J. RUSSELL—I said quite the contrary. Sir F. THESIGER continued—He was obliged to the Noble Lord for that statement. His object had been to meet the views of the Noble Lord in that matter, and to make the Bill of the Noble Lord conformable to his own declared intentions. It was not a battle of Churches they were then discussing, but a contest between two supremacies; it was a question, as the Noble Lord had truly stated, whether her Al a . jesty the Queen was to be the undoubted Sovereign of her realm.—(Hear, hear.) They were certainly suffer ing considerably from the weakness and uncertainty of their legislation. It appeared that this country had of late attracted the special care and attention of his Holi ness the Pope. He perceived that there had lately been issued from the printing press of the " Royal Apostolic Chamber" in Rome an appeal to the piety and charity of Italians, which was of a very singular character. In, that document it was first o f a l l stated, that „ among a l l the foreign missions, that of London presen ted the greatest hopes and de man d s; " and he after wa rds found in it the following passages:--e The project has been approved by ecclesi ast i ca l authority o f building a spa cious church in the centre of London, i n a fine position, in one of the most majestic streets in the city, princi •pally for the use of the Italians, and thence of other foreigners, as well as of the natives. In this way there will be in the capital of the British empire a church, Roman, not only in it s f a ith and principle, but a l so .in its rites, i n i ts ceremonies, and in the practices of ,sound devotion ; a church similar in its mate rial construction to the ancient Christian temples; a church which, at the express wish of the Holy Father, will be dedicated to the Prince of the Apostles, St. Peter ; a church which will be always go verned by a congregation of Italian .se cu l ar priests 'founded at Rome, that the Roman spirit may always in fluence the same.—(Hear, hear.) The h o li ness of our Lord Pope Pius 11. has, in his pr ov id ent teal for the good of religion and souls, by means of the holy con gregation for propagating the faith, and o f th at of the bishops and religious orders, caused this great work to be most urgently recommended to th e c h arity of Italian b e li eve rs and to the zeal of the bi s h ops of I taly. More 'l, the Most Eminent and Most R ev . Cardinal Wise -laenr, Archbishop of Westminster, Ordinary of London, has equally recommended this most interesting work. And site Most Eminent and Most Rev. the Cardinal Vicar has published a second notification, dated March 26, 1851, in which he repeats his recommendation to the Roman charity of this most pious object. Finally, his Holiness himself, by his rescript to the holy congregation for propagating the faith, dated March 9, 1851, has granted an indulgence of 100 days to whomsoever shall contribute any alms to this end." That document from the Pope was accompanied by a " notification" from the Archbishop of Florence, from which he mid row! the following u44raoti--"l4inpld further announce that his Holiness Pius IX., at the re quest of certain English Catholics, has deigned lately to grant an indulgence of 100 days to whesekver may recite three Ave illarias, with after each, the invocation Auxilium Christianorarn ora pro nobis, and plenary indulgence for one day at their own choice, to whoever shall have recited them for one entire month, provided that, having con fessed and communicated, he shall pray particularly for the Catholic Church of England." Now he appealed to lion. Members whether a few years ago, before we had deprived ourselves of the securities against such acts of aggression, we should have been expos( d to those re peated attacks and insults?—(Hear, hear.) But after we had disarmed ourselves, we had subjected ourselves to constant attacks of that description. It appeared that the Pope at present put forth his pretensions while relying upon the unfortunate divisions which prevailed in this country. Ho called upon Hon. Members before it was too late to be warned by the conduct of the Holy See as to what they were to expect in future, and to en deavour if they possibly could at the present moment to make their legislation of such a character as would be adequate to meet the dangers by which they were en compassed.—(Hear, hear.) He confessed it appeared to him that if they then failed, that could only be because the guardians of our Protestant Constitution, after having neglected their trust, and after having incau tiously encouraged the advances of the. Roman Catholics, had, in the midst of the difficulties of their position, thought proper to support at the last moment a measure which could offer no real security against the aggression of the See of Rome.—(Leud cheers.) The SOLICITOR -GENERAL said that his Hon. and Learned Friend had certainly shown at the conclu sion of his speech that he was animated by a very dif ferent spirit from that in which the Bill had been brought forward by her Majesty's Government. He believed that the proposals of his Hon. and Learned Friend would not materially alter the character of the Bill; but it was evident, from the latter part of the speech of his Hon. and Learned Friend, that, in his opinion, Parliament had gone too far in granting the Relief Bill of 1829.—(" Hear, hear," from the Ministe rial benches, and counter cheers from the opposition side of the House.) Those cheers of Hon. Gentlemen oppo site ma de their sentiments upon that point perfectly in telligible, Those Hon. Gentlemen disapproved of the meesur aof 1829; but the Bill introduced upon the pre sent occasion by her Majesty's Government went on the directly opposite principle. The object of the Govern ment was to adhere to the arrangement—he would not call it compact, for there had been no compact—of 1829. The Bill recited in the preamble, and afterwards, at the sugges F:tan of his Hon. and Learned Friend the Attor neey-G-eneral, it was declared in the measure itself, that the act which had given such offence throughout this country' was an infraction of the existing law; and it proceeded to provide that the restriction which had existed in the Act of 1829 with respect to all existing sees of the Established Church shouid be extended to any sees named from cities or towns in the United Kingdom. The Bill entirely abided by the spirit of the clause fin the Act of 1829, which had clearly for its ob ject the prevention of coeflicting titles by the assumption f a right to sees on the part of the Roman Catholic bishop. His Honourable and Learned Friend had asked whether her Majesty's Government thought that it would be advisable to prosecute under the Act of Richard IL? Now h a (the Solicitor-General) had no hesitation in say ing that it would not be advisable. No one could think at the present day of instituting a prosecution in order to enforce the penalties of prcemunire. With regard to the Act of Elizabeth, it was well known that nothing of the penalties of that Act remained, although the pro ceeding against which it was directed continued to be a misdemeanour. The Bill, as proposed by her Majesty's Govern meat, would punish the assumption of titles; but the amendment of his Hon. and Learned Friend would punish the publication of bulls. Now, that latter ar rangem ent would be an infraction of the Act of 1829. It would he an alteration in itself vexatious, while it would be productive of no special advantage whatever. He venture al to say that the offences which his Hon. and Learned Frieed would create could never be established against anybody. His Hon. and Learned Friend would punish with a penalty of 100/. the offence of procuring a bull from Rome; but was it probable that any person could ever be convicted of that offence tapon any evidence on which a jury could rely? He should further say that he believed the judges of this country would not attribute to the word " publishing" the meaning which bad been attached to it by his Hon. and Learned Friend ; and that the publisher of a news paper, ?rho should insert a bull in its columns, would not escape from the penalties which his Honourable and Learned Friend would impose, under the plea that he had merely inserted a copy of the document. His Hon. and Learned Friend seemed to suppose that if he should persuade the House to agree to his amendments in that instance he might hereafter persuade them to legislate in the spirit to which he had referred towards the conclusion of his observations, in a spirit which would lead them to repeal the Act of 1829. by which they had effaced from our statute-book the last remnants of anything in the shape of persecution. The amend ments of his Honourable and Learned Friend were nut framed in the spirit of the Act of 1829 ; and it was on that account, and not because he thought there was any real stringency in those amendments, that be hoped the House would refuse to give to them its as sent.—(Cries for a division.) Mr. ROEBUCK said that from the speech of his Hon. and Learned Friend the Solicitor-General he felt sure that his Hon. and Learned Friend did not under stand—he would not say his own Bill, for it appeared at present to be nobody's Bill—but the measure then before the House. He regretted to find his Hoe. and Learned Friend the Member for Abingdon (Sir F. Thesiger) addressing himself to the stale prejudices of the House, and employing his powers in endeavouring to drag back the public mind to that thraldom from which it had been so long relieved. His Hon. and Learned Friend had talked about insults from the Pope, from the Archbishop of Westminster, and the Archbishop of Florence. Now, as regarded the Archbishop of Florence, it appeared that all :he had asked was that people should pray for the success of the Roman Catholic religion in England ; and that surely was a perfectly unobjectionable act. Then the Pope proposed to build a church in London; but he could not see how that proceeding differed from the course taken by the Society for the Propagation of the Gospel in For-ign Parts.—(Hear, hear.) His Hoff. and Learned Friend the Solicitor-General said that the alterations of his Honourable and Learned Friend the Member for Abingdon would not materially affect the Bill; but he was sure that that was not the opinion of his Honourable and Learned Friend the Member fore Abingdon. In his (Mr. Roebuck's) belief his Honour able and Learned Frond bad made the Bill more strin gent and more mischievous. It was impossible to go vern the country on the old principle of excluding Ro man Catholics. Of this the Duke of Wellington, Lord Lyndhurst, and Sir R. Peel were well aware in 1b29, when they proposed the Emancipation Act. The Catho lic religion then was recognised, and it was impossible for the Catholic religion to exist without commueicatioce with the Pope cf Rome. Parliament knew well what they were doing in 1829, and no one better than the Lord Chancellor of that time, who, in 1828 had made the most powerful speech against emancipation. The Duke of Wellington and Sir Robert Peel also, whose personal honour was almost pledged to resist it—all these three came down to the House of Commons and the House of Lords, and declared that they could not govern the country on the old principle—that they must admit the Catholic religion, and those who professed it, to all the privileges enjoyed by other subjects. It was impossible for a statesman not to see at that time that a broad gulf was drawn between their past and future le gislation, for they then admitted the Catholics in fact as well as in name. Now, no man could be a Cath o li c unless he acknowledg e d t h e Pope to be the head of his religion. This Bill said that every bull described in the preamble should be null and void. What would be the re sult if this Bill became law? The Attorney and Solicitor- Generals and the Noble Lord at the head of the Govern ment supposed they could control this B i ll. They could not. Suppose he, being a Protestant, had a Catholic cousin, the result of a C atholic marriage. The law said his cousin was a bastard, and he (Mr. Roebuck) was sup posed to be the next heir to the estate. He brought an act of ejectment against his cousin, and he proved that his COUSiEt was married by a Catholic priest. There being no registration i n I re l and, the parents could not have g one to the registry. H e proved that the priest who m arr i e d them was ordain e d b y no ot h er means than by the Archbishop of Armagh. He proved that A. 8., calling himself Archbishop of Armagh, was ap pointed by a Papal rescript, such as those described in this Bill. These consequences would follow. Being so appointed, be would be no archbishop at all.—(Hear.) The priest whom he h a d ordained would also be no priest at Hear.) The p r i est was not a priest—the mar riage was not a marriage —his cousin was basterdised, and the verdict must be for the plaintiff.—(Laughter.). He was astounded at the ignorance which that laugh dis played. It was all very well to make light of the matter; but did any one believe that such actions would not be brought?—(Rear.) Could any man suppose that this Bill would not light up the torch of discord in Ireland? —(Hear, hear.) Did any one believe that if a man thirsting for an estate saw such a means open to him to obtain it he would not try his chance at law? Thank. ing the House for the attention with which they had .heardhina, he would go no further. He protested not only against the amendments of the Hon. and Learned Member for Abingdon, but against sanctioning each a Bill at all. It would be the groundwork of dissension, litigation, and misery, and, if put i nto execution, would be a br an d of discord in Ireland, and if not, would be the shame of that House and of Parliament. —(Cheers.)' Mr. NAPIER rose to speak, but the noise and impa tience of the House for a division wag so great, that after essaying in vain tor some minutes to obtain a hearing, the Hon. and Learned Member resumed his seat. The Irish Members, as on a previous occasion, left the House in a body. The House then divided,: when there appeared—,,, Fur Sir F. Thesiger's amendments ... 208 Against them Majority ... ••• The announcement of the numbers was received. With loud cheers. Mr. FRESHFIELD then rose to move, '° To letete out all the words after the words United Church,' p. 2 line 43, to the end of the clause, and to insert the following words:—' Every such person shall be deemed to be an offender under this Act, and, being lawfully convicted of any of the offences hereinbefote mentioned upon indict ment or information, he shall be adjudged to depart' out of this realm within a time to be limited in such judg ment, not exceeding three calendar months from such conviction, and a certificate of such judgment, under the seal of the court pronouncing such judgment, or the sig nature of the proper officer of the said court, shall be forthwith deposited by the prosecutor of such indictment or information at the office of her Majesty's Principal Secretary of State for the Home Department; and if the person so convicted shall be found within this realm Ott/ each time i ouch judgment limited, it ehttli be [Government seenri- ties (including Dead Weight Annuity) .. 13,544,241 Other securities .. 14,246,662 Notes .. .. ••• • • • 8,4 17,600 Gold and silver coin.. 624,470 £36,853,013 MARSHALL, Chief Cashier. SEABORNE MAILS. [N signifies that the mails are sent from the General Poat-Offici by the night—and M by the morning —dispatch.] When made up in From what when PLACES. General Post-office port die- London. patched. due. America (by Brit. pkt.) N July .. Liverpool . • July 6 America (by U.S. pkt.) N July 8 .. Liverpool .. July 9 America (by U.S. pkt.) M July 16 .. Southampt. July 10 Africa (West coast).. N 14th of the month Ins - mouth July 3 Alexandria* ........ N 19th & 30th of mo. Dover .. July 18 Belgium • . • • •• N Daily .. .. Dover .. Daily Brazil .. • .. M 9th of the month Southampt. July 12 Buenos Ayres M 9th of the month Soathampt. July 12 Cali fornla(viaChagres) 31 2d & 17th of month Southampt. July 5 Cape of Good Hope N 14th of month Plymouth.. July 3 Constantinople* .. •• N 7th 17th 27th of mo Dover .. July 10 Central America .. M2d & 17th of mon. Southampt. July 6 Channel Isles N Mon., Wed., & Fri. Southampt. Tn. Tk.Sa Chill M 17th of the month Southampt. July 20 France .. & N Twice daily .. .. Dover • • Twicedaily Greece* .. N 7th 17th27th ef mo Dover .. July 10 Hamburgh N Tuesday & Friday London .. Toes. Sat. Holland • • .. M Wednes. & Satur. London .. MOM.Thtz Honduras N 17th of the month Southampt. July 20 Ireland . •• 31 & N Twice daily .. Holyhead •. Twicedaily India(via Soutiaamp.) 31 20th of the month Southampt. July 23 India (viaMstrseilles) N 7th& 24th of month Dover • • July 16 Mediterranean (via Southampton) .. M 20th of the month Sonthampt. July 23 Mediterranean (via Marseilles) .. N 7th& 24th ofmonth Dover • • July 16 Mexico M 2d of the month.. Southampt. July 5 Madeira .• • • .. M 9th of the mon th S outhampt. July 12 3faitae 7th,17th,19th,27th Dover July 10 f & 30th of mo n th Naples* .. • • • • N s th 15th 25th ofmo Dover .. July 12 Papal States* N sth 15th25thefm0 j Dover .. July 12 Peninsular.. 31 7th 17th 27th of molSouthampt. July 6 Peru .• .. • • • • M 17th of the month Sonthampt. July 20 Tuscany* .. . • • • N sth 15th 25th of mo Dover .. July 12 West Indies .. 17th of the month Southampt. July 20 West Indies (furopnt ....30th of month Napless .. • • • • N sth 15th 25th o f mo Papal States* .. N sth 15th 25th efmo Peninsular.. 7th 17th 27th of mo Peru .. .. • • • • M 17th of the month Tuscany* •• Nsthlsth2sthofmo West Indies .. M 17th of the month West Indies (except I Havanna & :Nassau) M 2d of the month * The mails to those c ountries thus mart French packet via Marseilles. CALIFORNIA.-3fails to and from Califorrl are now despatched and due by every Amerb r Southampt.lJuly 5 ced (*) are conveyed by fa, via the United states ican packet. MARKET INTELLIGENCE. (From the London New Price Current, July 4.) SUGAR.—To-day the new Sugar duties took place in he market, being a reduction of is on Colonial, and Is 6d per cwt on Foreign, buyers obtaining more than one-half. The market for both Colonial and Foreign presented a quiet appearance, and rates rather tend downwards. Of West India only the small quantity of 87 hhds found buyers, making 1,211 for the week, and prices close 6d and in some cases under those of this day week. REFINED.—To-day Refined goods were operated in with caution by home dealers, and a desire was evinced to sell brown lumps at 46s to 47s per cwt. Several pur chases were made In Crushed Sugar by exporters at for mer terms. MAIIRITIIIS.—Operations have been less than in the previous week; more especially in grocery sorts, supply has much increased and prices have fallen 6d per cwt. Of 8,180 bags at auction a small part only sold, fine yellow went at 39s 6d to 40s, good 38s Gd to 395, mid 37s to 38s, common 353 6d to 36s 6d, fair to fine brown 33s to 35s 6d, and ord to fine grey 35s to 39s per cwt; there was no common brown Sugar in the sales. EAST INDIA.—This afternoon the difference of duty was divided between buyer and seller at the public sales of 1,749 bags Bengal Sugar, fine white Benares selling at 41s 6d to 42s Gd per cwt, ord to good 38s to 41s, low to good mid soft yellow 31s to 35s 6d. Of Madras 6,433 bags were disposed of, the trade gaining half the altera tion of duty, good to fine grocery selling at 39s to 41s, ord and mid 35s to 28s 6d, and soft yellow 32s to 35s 6d. MOLASSES,—West India of low to fine quality can be obtained at 13s 6d to 16s, Cuba and Porto Rico 14s to 15s, Bengal and Mauritius 12s to 12s 6d per cwt. Im ports continue upon a limited scale. West India Honey sells steadily at 30s to 555, and of fine few parcels are to be obtained. FOREIGN. —This afternoon the public sales of Foreign Sugar went off at the new duties, and buyers gained nearly the whole advantage, but the whole sold and chiefly for home consumption. Of Porto Rico 636 hhds 26 trcs and 243 brls were disposed of, fine yellow realised 40s to 41s 6d, mid to good 37s to 39s 6d, low 36s to 36s 6d, ord to good brown 33s 6d to 34s 6d, 104 hhds St. Croix, very fine yellow 43s to 44s 6d, good to fine 40s 6d to 42s 6d per cwt. COFFEE.—This afternoon few transactions were re ported in Native Ceylon, and at auction 400 bags were taken in at 38s 6d per cwt. For Plantation Ceylon the market'has a quiet appearance, and rather lower rates were taken. Of 27b casks and 119 bsgs at public sale not above half sold; fine went at 59s to 61s, good mid and good 54s to 58s low, mid to mid 493 to 535, fine to fine fine ord 44s to 48s 6d per cwt. CocoA.—The market for West India remains in a dull state, but holders are not willing to sell at any further decline, and none has been offered at auction this week. Privately operations have been upon a small scale, Gre nada at 33s to 403, red Trinidad 40s to 465, grey 35s to 40s per cwt. Foreign met with little attention, Bahia and Para can be obtained at 29s to 58s 6d, and Guaya quil at 303 per cwt. TEA.—The demand continues to increase for the lower descriptions of Congou, and prices to advance. Opera tions have been upon a large scale in common and good ord at 100 to 11d, and in medium to rather strong blackish leaf at 110 to Is; several shipping orders have been executed in the first mentioned sorts. The good and fine kinds cannot be quoted dearer, but demand is better, and holders are less disposed to press sales. In Oolong the business transacted exceeds that of last week, the prices being is to is Bd, but of this kind of Tea there is an increasing supply. The market for Green has become firm, supply is not so plentiful, and of Young Hyson large parcels have been disposed of. For other sorts of Green a good demand has been experienced at the for mer currency, Canton, however, must be quoted id cheaper. Scented and Pekoe Teas have been sold to a larger extent, still no advance has been established. CoennsicaL.—Operation are upon a larger scale than last week, and at auction 380 bags were chiefly sold; Teneriffe Silvers went at 3s 2d to 3s 4d ; Mexican Black 3s 3d to 3s sd; Honduras 3s 8d to 3s 9d, Silvers 2a 10d to 3s 6d; Pea Grain 2s 6d to 3s 11d, and Lima 3s Id to 3s 3d per lb. RICE.—To-day East India Rice was sold to a fair ex tent privately, and full rates were paid. At auction 1,368 bags Bengal realised former rates, mid white 9s to 9s 6d, and damaged 7s to 8s 6d. Sago is rather lower, and 606 chests sold at 17s 6d to 18s for good mid white small pearl. Of Tapioca 10 barrels realised 3d, and 76 barrels Bermuda Arrowroot 10d to is per lb. SPICES.—At public sale to-day 14 chests limed Nut megs nearly all taken in at 2s 3d to 2s 4d for good, and wormy at is 4d. Of Penang Pepper 299 bags sold at former rates, and realised 2id to 3d for good light. Pi mento is wanted, and 75 bags sold at 4i-cl to 5d for good mid and good. Of Bourbon Cloves 50 bags were taken in at 60 per lb. SPxarrs.—:lnEast India Rum sales have been trifling this week, and not more than is aid per gallon can now be obtained for proof. Leeward Island has been ope rated in with caution at is 5d to Is sid, and holders appear more disposed to sell. In Demerara little has been done, and the value is is 10d to 23 4d for 30 to 40 over proof, but rates rather incline downwards. Fine Jamaica is wanted, both for home consumption and ship ping, the rates paid are 3s 3d to 4s 4d for 34 to 38 over Proof; in other sales have been small; holders are sell ord to mid quality 30 to 33 more b l r s a t n inclined dsthe to ° ,,, ve r . , proof at 25 3d to 2s 7d; good mid to d d itt o 4 ditto 7: 32 to 35 over 2s 8d to 3s 2d. In Brandy 18 47 are upon a small scale ; Cognac best vintage of 1850 is offered at 4s 4d to 4s 6d, made Spirit re 4 6d to - 4 7d • 1848 ditto 4s lld to 5s Id, sorts 9s 6i to 3 05s 7d, older 5 s 55 5 d t 8 ' 10d to 7s; low to mid 3d. British tion at 2s 6d; 'tams at 935 d to 9s 6d; Gin for exporta s B d, and Bordeaux, 2s 2d to 2s Gus low kinds, which sold it - bunco. Genev a 16 7 d to Is Bd, and fine is 9d to 2s. temala Indigo wentte:rn the large public sales of Cortes is 2d to 3s 3d, a u nd era TALLoW.—This afternoo lery low to 1,000 sras, found leah4'yaPer. 8d to Is. lair spirit, at full rates; except All offered, amounting went at stiffer rates; 518 a the public sales of Tallow ; Sobres 3s 5d to 4s 9d, Malta 3 36s 9d to 37s 3d; Beef 34, 6d ea to sk 3 s ss S i d dney. Mutton at American 34s 6d to 37s 3d; 25 casks -1 400 Pkgs South to 35s 6d for soft, and 15 casks East India at 34s 6s 9d to 37s per cwt. _ OlLS.—This afte rnoon , at public sale, 30 tuns of Sperm Oil sold at 811 15s to 841; Headmatter 901. 12 tuns Southern, 281 15a to 304 these ors Ipyfer rates. IMPERIAL PARLI SATURDAY EVENING, JULY 5, 1851. ~~~t~Q 4:1 0e. (111 etti th, t 4 Ile 'lRight tlt tu h aid a theft 0 r Pmir ti tlrati th ey , 445 e. th e ti k i d *hit ( Th e for s Veri I 11/CI 1 t 'DC( t° ' 644 IT c ititinp