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subjf eta ding on false the grandi - Gentleno. ). ining in this )efore thei r , t be prow r the ea, Bill. N oll of the Hon. Et could O S )r so ester religion 1 a Would be a Hon. And his answer used to the gainst this .nd all ths ffender had Now whet those the pies of thll in Cabello title taken )arned M' lat was no ais Bill iffo 'ere to dis• lon. Mew they ought ) the latter produced ? founded 'at there , rief had Now was n similar ire strict Member tion upon I common translated notoriety , ous to re the Com- not been to had op argument is — mind. what be argument being in- Hon. and Hon. and the Right 1, of the ity (Mr. Member I that he is mind, me time r to at gnoranee in. The rem that Govern ey would aid only tents in might be the Par ) deceive eral,with the dif the Hon. ?.ech, but inestion o a jury dab sub r or not the pro •ged do this in fer Mid e intro )lic cla ur; ever edict in it sup e would firmed? believed ly cow ynolds) itb cla was no stion— t swear penal- F such ared— ) Com- Anion a the by a here )n he arlia nber. First 1844 jests, 3, he la re- authority of tie Kin:;, his crown, regality, such parties should be Hello tJ the pains and penalties of prwaiunire, and by the 13th Etiz , c. 2, it eves provide t, that if any parson or pr: sons issued or printed or published any such writing or instrument, they should be considered guilt; of high treason. Nov the 9 andlo of Vie., passed in 1846, repealed so much of the 13th of Elizabeth, as imposed the penalties and punish ments therein mentioned; hut then it said that, in all other respects, as to the issuing of bulls, the punish ment should remain the same. But then there was still the statute of Richard the Second remaining. It was introduced into Ireland in the reign of Henry the S'l• ventb, and bad in certain cases been put in force there, and there could be no doubt that that Act was sufficient still to prevent any such bull or rescript beiug issued in this country. It might then be asked, if there was such a law in existence, what necessity was there for a new one. On that question being put in that House, he considered the Noble Lord gave a most satisfactory an swer. He said that, upon consulting the law officers of the Crown, they at once admitted that the law had been infringed by the recent rescript of the Pope, but in con sequence of the law so infringed having slumbered in the statute-book for so long a period without being Used, it might be considered to put it into action now as a case of hardship, and that feeling might have caused any prosecution under the statute of Richard the Second to have failed. He at once admitted that a failure in that respect would have been most prejudicial, and therefore it was essential in some way or other to revive this old statute, and to show by expression of Parliament that it was not a dead letter. When the measure was first introduced there was no clause in the Bill whatever which negatived this point, and it was consequently suggested to the Noble Lord he was leaving the law in the most unsatisfactory state. After considering the matter, he yielded so far to the Suggestions of his Hon. Friend the Member for Midhurst and adopted a portion of his amendments, which now Constituted the first clause of the Bill. Having, however, Only adopted of portion of these amendments, he consi dered the Noble Lord had placed himself in a position of some inconsistency, and had made his law imperfect and incomplete. That was at once seen by the acute mind of his Right Hon. Friend the Member for the Univer sity of Oxford (Mr. Gladstone), who had said that there was another rescript of the Pope previously issued, prohibiting the Bishop of Cloyne from exercising autho rity in the diocese of Ross, and creating a new bishopric of Ross. What were they to do with that rescript? To that the Solicitor-General replied that there could be no doubt, were a case arising on any other rescript than the one mentioned in this measure brought into a court of law, no one could imagine that, with this Act before him, a judge would decide that it was as illegal as the one declared in the Act. But supposing that were so, supposing any proceedings were taking place as to the issuing of the rescript respecting the cre ation of the diocese of Ross, it would not be on this sta tute, but upon the statute of Richard the Second that they would have to prosecute, and certainly, if there would have been a difficulty before the passing of this statute, if it did pass, in bringing that Act of Richard the Second into operation, this restrictive statute of the Noble Lord would form a still greater barrier to their doing so.—(Hear.) And though it might possibly be true that the judges would ultimately come to a right decision upon the law as declared by the statute of Ri chard the Second, yet they would be grievously embar rassed in the course of the argument by the limited cha raster of this particular enactment being directed against this particular rescript. It appeared to him, therefore, that though his Lion. and Learned Friend the Solicitor- General was right in his answers to the Right Hon. Gentleman the Member for the University of Oxford, in saying that the judges would declare the law, and would find'no difficulty in declaring it, yet he was not right in Sayi ng that by this declaratory enactment they would be guided to a right and undoubted decision. Now the Solicitor-General had expressed the intentions of the Government on the sub ject. It was their intention that this declaratory enact ment, as it now stood, should have no operation as re garded any proceedings that might be called for in Ire land, with reference to the rescript under which the Bishop of Ross was appointed. It was the intention of Government, however, to denounce the establishment of this bishopric of Ross, and that being so, his answer was, if such were its intention why not express it on the face of the Bill, fairly, openly, and directly? Why leave that intention in doubt? He had no doubt that the Noble Lord had come to a right decision on the subject; but if he limited the law in such a manner as to make it applicable only to England, he met4t necessarily deliver over the other part of the kingdom to the uncontrolled jurisdiction of the Pope. Therefore he felt satisfied that the Noble Lord had not expressed what he meant.— (Hear.) It was matter of notoriety that after this re script had been issued, and when an opportunity had been afforded to Rome of witnessing the excitement and indignation which it caused throughout the country, in defiance of that feeling, a new rescript was issued by the Pope, under which the Bishop of Ross was appointed. The view of the whole question which was taken by a French newspaper, called L' Univers, which was under stood to be the organ of the Jesuits at Paris, completely proved the arrogance of the spirit under which these steps had been taken, and openly warned the Noble Lord at the head of the Government of the difficulties he would have to encoonter if ho attempted to make the sees of these bishops sub missive to the British sceptre. Now, was not this throw ing down the gauntlet of defiance to the Noble Lord?— (Hear, hear.) It was suggested that the Noble Lord's difficulties would be increased by this new aggression, bat he believed the Noble Lord had a spirit that would overeome them and was sincere in his intention to re - Pei, not only this, but any future aggression. Believing that, and understanding his opinions on the subject, from having heard them so clearly expressed in the dis cussion before the Committee on Monday, he had no hesitation in saying that the Noble Lord would find it necessary to introduce into the clause those additions and alterations taken from the Hon. Member for Mid burst's clause, which he proposed, and which additions and alterations would carry out the express views of the Noble Lord, and would make this Bill what they desired it should be—consistent, complete, and efficacious. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said he thought his Hon. and Learned Friend the Member for Abingdon had not properly conceived the effect and scope of this clause. He was right in saying that in consequence of the Act of Richard the Second being obsolete, it was considered inexpedient to revive it; bat that was not the only reason. It was also because the penalties imposed by the statute were of a character which it was not thought advisable to revive at the present day. Nothing could be more unwise than to go before a jury with a statute which counsel for the defendants represented as obsolete and tyrannical. The intention was to make a public national declaration with respect to an act of violence and aggression on the part of a fo reign potentate, under colour of which certain subjects of her Majesty had assumed ecclesiastical titles. His Hon. and Learned Friend forgot that Government wished to deal with the subject only by recital of the law upon it. The recital in this Bill, as originally proposed, was "That any attempt to establish, under a colour of authority from the See of Rome or otherwise, such pretended sees as dioceses was illegal and void." It was thought unadvisable, however, to have any enact ment whatever, but the Hononrable Member for Midhurst said that there was something much more solemn and authoritative in a public declaration, which he therefore preferred to a mere recital He (the Solicitor-General) stated that in his mind the recital would have all the effect of a declaration, and that the fileclaratory clause would go no further than the recital. Not only the Hon. Member for Midhurst, however, but other parties took the same view, and thought the ag gression ought to be met by a declaratory enactment. *That being the case, he thought they had strictly carried 'out the object which they ought to have in view iu auk dug a declaration. He had already said, on previous dis cussions, that he conceived it would bo a more dignified ecursce rather than hunting down every bull and every rescript that the Pope might think fit to issue at any ;time, if they were to deal with the principal rescript, un der which the sees of the Anglican Church were to be superseded. The Bill was now on a different footing. The bishopric of Ross fell within the Act of 1829, as there was now existing a see of that name in the Unitt.d Church of England and Ireland. So far from strength ening their position, it seemed to him that the psoposi lion of the Hon. and Leurned Gentleman opposite would weaken it much, by plunging the principal rescript amongst a mass of minor ones, where it would be lost sight of. An outrage of the grossest description had been committed upon them, and with that they had to deal. They had made their declaration respecting that aggression. His Hon. and Learned Friend said he wished to test the sincerity of the Government; but the prohibition would not take effect under the first clause. Under the second, however, they would touch every per son presuming to derive titles from such sources. To follow the course of his Hon. and Learned Friend oppo site would only weaken t h e eff ect of the Bill, and for abet reason he should oppose it. The Earl of ARUNDEL and SURREY referred to the legislation of recent years with regard to bulls, to a haßr'that the qttestioneife their legality in this country was placed is a differentlposition now from that which iCelcl under the old Acts of Richard and Elizabeth. Altr. DISRAELI said that the difficulty in which th e Committee were now placed appeared to him to have arisen in consequence of the Government taking the first clause of his Hon. and Learned Friend the Member for "Midhurst, and not adopting the preamble which he pro posed; because if the preamble were adoptedte amendment he did not think there would be an y necessity for the now proposed by his Hon. and Learnedi }D'riisernadelit)hediMd of t thet for Abingdon. But , as he r. despair of the Committ ee adopting on the iid rop L er ea o r c i c le a c i alien the preamble proposed b y his Hon. a. Friend the Member for Midhur st, he trusted his Hon. and Learned Friend the Member for A bin g don would pause before he divided the Committee upon an amendment which would consequently be unnecessary.—(Hear.) He con fessed he preferred the first clause as it now stood, be cause what he desired principally to see was that the ,Bill should be made a retaliatory measure, and, if so, it ought to bear upon its face that it had been occasioned 0p a certain specified act which bad been done by a fo r,,ign potentate, and, in his opinion, this effect would be ma terially diminished by the amendment now proposed. Thea, again, the objection that the case of Ireland was not ivcluded in the first clause as it now stood would bo met by the adoption of the amendment of which his Hon. and Learned Friend the Member for Midhurst had given notice, to insert the words " United Kingdom" in the second clause. He was rather disposed, therefore, not to disturb the first clause, in the hope that the amendments to which he had referred, and which would make it per fectly a pposite, would subsequently be adopted. With eference to the case of the Bishop of Ross, he was cer tainly under the impression that it was sufficiently met by the Emancipation Act, as stated by the Solicitor- General. He only wished to know why, in that case, the Bishop of Ross had not been proceeded against by her Majesty's Government. —(gear.) THE SUN, nisei in legal doenments, and actually inserted in Acts of Parliament ? Sir G. GREY said that the II in. and Learned Gen tleman had now changed the issue. He admitted that the Government in Ireland had given precedence to 'he Catholic hierarchy, hut they were not the first to take this ceursc, for the G aiernineet belore :hem had shown them the example. He would ask what law existed which prevented them addressing a Roman Catholic bishop as " your Grace," and a Roman Catholic bishop as " my Lord?" Sir F. THESIGER thought it might be convenient to the Committee if he stated the precise course which he intended to pursue. He had been requested by the Hon. Member for Buckinghamshire and the lion. Member for Evesham to withdraw his amendment, but having well deliberated on the course he ought to pursue, and not having heard one real objection to his proposition, he felt, in justice to himself, he was hound to persevere in it. If he received any assurance that the Government would adopt the whole of the preamble proposed by the Hon. and Learned Member for Midhurst, be would not have thought it necessary to bring forward his amend ment. Suppose he withdrew his amendment, and that the Government clause was carried without any amend ment at all, his object would not only be defeated, but the Government Bill would remain incomplete and in consistent. He felt that his own character required him to do that which he thought was absolutely necessary to make the Bill complete, and he therefore could not consent to withdraw his amendment. Lord J. RUSSELL said, as the Right Hon. Gentle man bad declared it to be his intention to press his amendment, he trusted that the Committee would pro ceed to discuss that amendment, and avoid going into the general question of the Bill, or various other ques tion which did not properly come under discussion at that stage of the measure. He was so far satisfied with the arguments used by the Hon. and Learned Gentle man the Solicitor-General immediately after the Hon. and Learned Gentleman opposite had sat down, that he was contented to abide by them. It was said that the original Bill did not point as far as it was desirable it should go; and considering that there was some force in that argument they bad altered the preamble to meet that objection. If, however, they acceded to the amend ment of the Hon. and Learned Member for Abingdon, he thought that they would take away the force and strength it was intended that the Bill should have. It was a Bill framed for the purpose of declaring a parti cular rescript of the Pope to be illegal, and of pro hibiting, under a certain penalty, the assumption of certain titles which were founded upon such rescript. Mr. ANSTEY declared, as a lawyer, that if the amendment of the Hon. and Learned Member for Abing don were passed, it would be incompetent for the Roman Catholic heirarchy in this kingdom to carry on any ecclesiastical organisation whatever. Although he en tertained strong objections to the preamble of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman the Member for Midhurst, he thought that the Government would have done well if they had borrowed a portion of that preamble and made it a preface to their first clause. He was perfectly in different to the opinion of any one in that House or out of that House—(Cries of " Hear.") But so far from opposing the first clause, he was determined to vote for it.—(lronical cheers from the Catholic Members.) He denied that this was a step of retrogression on the part of the Government, on the contrary, he con sidered it as a step in advance in the way of civil and religious liberty.—(Bear, hear.) By such legisla tion as this, the Government defined and recognised the lawful status of the Roman Catholic Church, and showed what was legal and illegal in the Roman Catho lic question. The Government were acting in a Catholic spirit by such legislation—they were acting in the spirit of the enactment of Richard the Second, and of the 30th of Edward the Third, and not on that of the Act of Elizabeth. If the Legislature were prevented from proceeding further in their present course, it would be in consequence of the conduct of the Roman Catholic Members, who had shown that they were too much go verned by their faith and too little by their impartiality and their duties as loyal subjects of the Queen. In speaking thus, he felt that he was representing the opi nions of hundreds of thousands of Roman Catholics in that country, who, he regretted to say, had not the courage to come forward in their own proper persons to support those statements which he now made in their name and as their deputy.—(lronical cheers from the Catholic Members.) He would refer the Hon. Member for Tipperary (Mr. Scully), who laughed at what he had been saying, to the numerous petitions and memorials that had been addressed to the Court of Rome from Ro man Catholics of this country, some of which had found their way into the public newspapers. He would vote against this Bill being extended to Ireland, and against the Hon. and Learned Member for Abingdon's amend ment; but, as he said before, he would vote in favour of the first clause. Mr. WALPOLE thought that any one who considered the amendments which he proposed in the clause would see how carefully he had worded them, so as to confine himself to the specific offence with which they had to deal. The specific offence was the brief or rescript of the Pope, which conferred not merely certain titles upon the Roman Catholic bishops, but partitioned out this kingdom and interfered with the jurisdiction of the bishops of the Established Church. That was a grave offence, and one which he thought should be declared so in the preamble. He then proceeded in his preamble, after reciting such offence, to declare that the confer ring of such titles was a usurpation and encroachment. He took, then, the two recitals in his preamble as a key to what he proposed to enact by his first clause. He had avoided the introduction of any words which by possi bility might interfere with the purely religions or spiritual functions of the Church. He was, therefore, opposed to the amendment of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman the Member for Abingdon, as be thought it very unadvisable to go beyond the mention of the specific offence which had given rise to the Bill. In respect to Ireland being included in the Bill there could be no mistake about the matter, for either this was an Imperial or political ques tion or it was nothing. He could not consent to exclude Ireland—at the same time he did not think it necessary to drag it in unless the Pope did the same there that he had done in England. He would, therefore, suggest to the Honourable and Learned Member for Abingdon to withdraw his amendment, and to allow them to proceed to the consideration of the first clause as it stood. Mr. SADLEIR said that though it might be desirable to hear the opinions of able lawyers upon the question it was most important to restrain such persons as the Hon. and Learned Member for Youghal, who, in his amiable impetuosity, had the temerity to repeat a very stale and hacknied allegation. It had been often said and pub lished in newspapers that this establishment of the hie rarchy in England was a needless ;and a wanton act on the part of the Pope with a desire to disturb that peace and order which had reigned in this kingdom. He put it to the Committee whether the assertion of the Hon. and Learned Member was entitled to more credence than that of the declaration signed by Lord Shrewsbury and a vast number of the laity? They declared that the new peal law aimed at their bishops was an attack upon themselves. He mentioned the names of several of the Catholic aristocracy which were affixed to the address. Mr. HENLEY considered the amendment proposed by the Hon and Learned Member for Abingdon placed the Committee in difficulty. He suggested that it should be postponed until they knew what the decision of the Committee might be on the amendment of the Hon. and Learned Member for Midhurst. Sir F. THESIGER was willing to take his amend ment in the way the most convenient for the Committee. On the understanding that he might bring forward his amendment afterwards, he was willing to withdraw it for the present. Mr. KEOGH said the discussion that had occurred showed that his proposition of taking the preamble first was not unreasonable. The Hon. Member for Ennis killen and the Honourable Member for the University Sir GEORGE GREY said that the Government had of Dublin, who had voted against his proposition, had that night admitted it would have to the Hon. and have been better to have been charged with sending police to guard the Ro man Catholic bishops assembled in synod at Thurlea, ;Member for taken the preamble Ab first. Learned he ingdon, he in 1846 reminded he gave him that when and by taking the preservation of order at that as sembly upon themselves they had, if not directly, at was Attorney-General his sanction to the repeal of the Act of Elizabeth, which he least indirectly sanctioned that assembly. He was now sought to enforce. However others might cen happy to have that opportunity to say that he was sure the Government for their inconsistency,the Hon. now in a situation to explain exactly what had been and Learned for sition.—(Laughter.) Member Abingdon was not in that po done by the authorities in Ireland in reference to the at tendance of police at the time.—(Hear, hear.) He bad The Earl of ARUNDEL and SURREY moved the communicated with the authorities there, and he wished amendment of which he gave notice—the admission of now to explain that the police w ere not sent to g uard the certain words which would declare that the Act would prelates or maintain order in that assembty. He was not interfere with the bishops in the exergse of their now in a situation to give that report a direct contradic- spiritual functions. They could not have a bishop tion.—(llear, hear.) The chief of the constabulary in except under a Papal brief; and the present that locality reported that in consequence of the assem- Bill would render invalid all acts done by him—to bly of the Roman Catholics to deliberate upon matters ordain priests—and it would moreover render all mar connected with their religion, a large concourse of riages out of England illegal. A person could obtain people was expected. and he applied for a greater force of orders anywhere, but the Roman Catholics could not the constabulary to keep the peace, and in reply to that have bishops but by the appointment of the Pope. As application, an additional force of fifty of the police were to vicars apostolic, they were abolished by the brief. placed under his directions. That was done entirely in He called, then, on the Government to fulfil the asser the expectation of the meeting of a large concourse of Lions they had made, that they did not interfere with the people. There was nothing that could he construed into spiritual functions of the Roman Catholic bishops. He anything like a sanction on the part of the Government quoted the opinion of the Prime Minister, and of the of that synod._-(llear, hear.) They certainly did not law officers of the Crown, pledging themselves not to in interfere to prevent the step which had then been taken, terfere with the spiritual functions of the Roman Catholic but they did not agree in that step; and were they now bishops.—(Hear, hear.) to be told that because they did not anticipate that there The ATTORNEY-GENERAL observed that the clause declared that a certain rescript was illegal, and sane tinned the presence of the po l i ce in a pp robation of the would not ba a breach of the law, that the y had that all appointments under it were illegal and void, and procession of the Roman Catholic clergy on the occasion the amendment of the Noble Lord would have them to referred to? declare that, for certain purposes, these appointments Mr. WHITESIDE, in reference to w hat the Right were legal and valid. The Bill would not interfere with lion. G en tl eman h a d said w ould merely say that he had the spiritual authority of their bishops as it had been , been informed, from the best authority, that the police heretofore exercised. on the occas i on re f erre d to did li n e the road from the The Earl of ARUNDEL wanted to know in what Cathedral of Tharles to the College, and between the position they would stand who would declare they would ? lines of the co nsta b u l ar • th e R oma n Catholic hierarchy not interfere with the spiritual functions of their walked. Th e Primate who was clothed in the same i bishops?—(Cheers.) proceed thus escorted dress he wore Mr MOORE said, es he understood the statement stated thatatß o it m w e as d id ge c n r e o r s a s lly th s e up p p u o b s l e i d c , road i.rom and tbe . circumstances of the to the Cathedral. His informant of the . Ilon. and Learned Attorney-General, their arch furtherbishops and bishops taking the titles they always had magistrates being present, the Poe could not exercise any spiritual authority in conformity lice being assembled the tiere under their authority, and the with the law. If that were so, then this Bill was a re improbability ofslightesta breach of the peace occur ring on an occasion ofversal of their just policy, a breach of a national treaty, religious procession of Roman Catholic bishops amongst a R Government to lend their sane- a revocation of a solemn treaty, an act of atonement for Roman Catholic people, that greater wrongs than any nation had ever before suffered it was intended by the and another notion inflicted. He warned the Govern ie to the whole proceeding. —(gear, li . ear, hear.) If the were awaking an agitation of the ultimate trineht Hon. Gentleman who had addressed thewhich they did not yet dream.—(Hear.) House were as intimately acquainted with Ireland as heard Mr. KEOGH hadno argument against the he was, he would admit that this was not the only * of Noble Lord. He the • casion of the Sanction of the Government being given ee - amendment the e tested sincerity result reeet t o h f ey of the Hon. Member for Midhurst and of the Noble to the use of the se titles b y the Roman Catholic Kier- Lord by this amendment, when they declared they archy,—(fleart hear.) would not interfere with the spiritual functions of tho Mr. ROEBUCK, in reference to what had fallen from Catholic bishops. the Right Hou. Gentleman, naked whether that was the Lord J. RUSSELL observed that this clause declared wear the Goverinment met this question? Was it really i what was the law as it now stood, and he did not see true that the Government had never sanctioned th e use how t h ey cou ld, in making that declaration, be called of these titles by the Roman Catholic hierarchy ? Had upon to say that another thing was legal which the law the Government the face to say that the Lord-Lieute- did not sanction. nant of Ireland did not sanction the assumption of these , Sir IL W. BARRON said if the clause declared that titles—not merely out of courtesy; but he would ask to be law which was law, then why introduce it into an whether precedence had not habitually been given to Act of Parliament?—(Cheers.) After the declarations these archhish - ops and bishops of the Roman Catholic made by the Government, he could not see how, ere ho- Church ?—(Hear.) Had not these titles been mug- , our, justic e , or common honesty, they could fuse Mr. ROEBUCK said that the Hon. ?Member for Backinghamshiro was under a slight mistake iri sun posieg that the preamble had anything to do with the Bill, because, in point of fact, the judges would construe the Bill without reference to the preamble. They would consider tee preamble as nothing, and look only t') the language of the claus=e.—(Boar.) He conf.ssed ho thought the Hoe. and Learned Member for Abingdon hag really taken the only congruous view of the sub ject; but he dissented from him in thinking that there was any necessity for adopting the course which he recommended, as well as differed from him in his view of the law. The Hon, and Learned Gentleman had referred to the statute of Richard 11. Now, what was that statute? It was in reality a law to protect the King's power, which was at that time really assailed. Then the reason why the Act of the Ist of Elizabeth was passed was because a previous Act had been passed un der Philip and rtlary repealing those provisions against the Sea of Rome, and thereby giving not only spiritual but ecclesiastical and civil jurisdiction to the Pope in this country. But was that the case now in this country? No; they were here completely free from all such domination; and a declaration by the Pope was merely a declaration by an individual, and had no more force by law than a declaration proceeding from the Wesleyan Methodists. Therefore, the giving any pre-eminence to the declaration of the Pope in these times was treating it in a manner wholly impolitic. The power of the Pope now in this cauntry was merely a moral and mental power, and was not enforced by any legal authority. He asserted that the present clause was either useless, as being superseded by the second, or it went further than it pretended.—(Hear, hear.) If he recollected aright, the present Master of the Rolls had on a former occasion drawn a wide distinction between a person call ing himself bishop of a district and a person who described himself as bishop, exercising functions within a district. Now, he wanted to know whether, if the pre sent Bill passed with its preamble, any bishop appointed by the Pope of Rome, and calling himself Bishop of Melipotamus, or Bishop of Siga, or by antesuch title, and exercising episcopal functions in any part of this king dom, would not be acting illegally? Was that the mean ing of the Noble Lord at the head of the Government? If not, the present clause was useless; and he should like the Attorney-General to explain the use of it, and the meaning of the Government. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that while Le was most anxious to offer any explanation it was in his power to give on any point, he owned to some reluctance to answer questions put by the Hon. and Learned Gen tleman; because, not having the slightest wish to give offence, yet, if he questioned the Hon. and Learned Gentleman's law, the lion. and Learned Gentleman was angry with him, though the Hon. and Learned Gentle man might be assured ho could not produce the same effect upon him (the Attorney-General). The Hon. and Learned Gentleman was quite as wrong in respect to the present clause as in respect to the question he put at an early part of the evening. The first and second clause had reference to the assumption of ecclesiastical titles with respect to sees carved out within this kingdom; and the Hon. and Learned Gentleman put a question re specting a Bishop of Melipotamus exercising jurisdiction within a certain diocese in this country. That case would neither come within the preamble nor the clause, because it would not be an assumption of territorial title in this kingdom, He was entirely of opinion, according to the original view of the Government, that the present clause did not carry the provisions of the Bill further than the recital, and the reason the Government adopted the clause was because, while it took nothing from the efficiency of the Bill, it, in the judgment of the Hon. and Learned Member for Midhurst and others, contained a more solemn and emphatic declaration of the sense of Parliament, and removed all doubt and ambiguity, if any could exist, as to what was the law of the land, So long as Roman Catholics exercised episcopal functions among their own community, without assuming titles de rived from territory within this kingdom, neither the present Bill nor the 10th of George IV. would at all affect them. Mr. ROEBUCK asked whether he was to understand that the Pope might issue rescripts really and truly di viding out England, if he only called his bishops by the titles of Melipotamus and Sign? He might thereby in reality make them bishops of dioceses, and give them en tire synodical action, and yet the present Bill would not touch them. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said, that the Hon. and Learned Gentleman had assumed that Roman Ca tholic bishops with such titles as be had alluded to, of Melipotamus and Sign, &c., were capable of carrying out synodical action. Bat the Hon. Gentleman should bear in mind that the Archbishop of Westminster, as he falsely called himself, expressly justified the recent act of the Pope, on the ground that an episcopacy with ec clesiastical titles derived from sees within this realm was necessary for synodical action.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. MONSELL wished to be informed how this recent act of the Pope had interfered with the temporalities of the State, and the regality of the Crown. The Roman Catholics never claimed anything more than that they should govern themselves in spiritual matters as they thought best.—(Hear, hear.) How would they like Cardinal Wiseman to judge for them? Then, if the Roman Catholics stood upon the same footing with them, was not the case precisely parallel? Lord J. RUSSELL thought the Hon. Gentleman's statement was more fitted for the second reading of the Bill than applicable to REM amendment on the present clause. With respect to the Wesleyan body, he had never heard that the Wesleyan Conference had pretended to govern any other but the members belonging to their own community, or had ever presumed to declare that all Christians were hound to obey them, and that Ro man Catholics must submit to them.—(Hear. hear.) Mr. MONSELL called upon the Attorney-General to answer the question he had put in reference to the ope ration of the present Bill on the law in Ireland. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that the same question had been asked and answered on the second reading of the Bill. Ho apprehended that the Bill would have the effect of stopping synodical action in this way Mr. MONSELL wished the Hon. and Learned Gen tleman to reconcile the two statements, that this Bill would have the effect of preventing synodical action in England, and that it would in no degree alter the law in Ireland as existing since the Emancipation Act. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that the Eman cipation Act already prevented synodical action, because it contained a provision specially relating to the assump tion of titles of existing sees. He might he told that Roman Catholic Bishops in Ireland assumed those titles notwithstanding; but it was upon that evasion of the law that they grounded the possibility of having synodical action. All he said was that the present Bill would carry the law no further than as it existed at present in Ireland in this respect, for the assumption on the part of the Roman Catholics of titles of existing sees, and synodical action as a consequence thereof, were already illegal. Mr. M'CULLAGH said that if this Bill did no more than the Act of 1829, the Synod of Thurles was illegal. Why then had the Government not done anything to prohibit so flagrant a breach of the law as was committed by the holding of the Synod of Thurles. Sir H. WILLOUGHBY urged the withdrawal of this amendment. Mr. NAPIER wished, by these discussions; to get at the very spirit of the Constitution. He did not wish to take from the Roman Catholics one iota of the rights they at present possessed, but he would resist to the ut most any aggressions upon the rights and liberties of the Crown and people of this country. Mr. ROEBUCK thought that the Government was to blame, and Lord John Russell above all, for leading the people to believe that they might meet in synod in Ireland without invading the law, and if not with the sanction, at least with no opposition from the Govern ment: LONDON, SATURDAY their assent to the amendment. Ho had inceived a letter that very day announcing the formation Jr a nerd Ca tholic league in Ireland. This was the fait ef their in terference with the religion of the people They forgot that this had been the ca,e all over the world. It wes this which bed separated Hellanel from ;elesium. How different 4V2,3 the foaling in the United Stites! He must beg leave to real a short paragraph iron. an American newspaper, in illustration of tins. The paragraph said —" We cordially rejoice. good Protestaits as we are, to see a good man promoted to the highest dignity in his Church." lie understood that that emitent man wes at that moment in that House. The Noble Lord had talked of a conspiracy against the liberties of Europe. Ile asked the Noble Lord if he meant to intimate that the Roman Catholics were implicated in that conspiracy ? Had they not, on the contrary, been foremost, both in that House and out of it, in supporting liberty in every shape for the last fifty years? Had they not supported the claims of the Dissenters? It he asserts that (con tinued the Hon. Bsronet), I tell him to his teeth in this House, that it is a base falsehood.—(Loud cries of " Order.") It has no foundation in truth. The CHAIRMAN—The Hun. Barotet will, I am sure, be sorry that he has used those *seds. Sir W. BARRON—Sir, you did not hear my words. I said, and I repeat it, that if the Noble Lord charges the Roman Catholics in this House, or in this country, with being engaged in a base conspiracy against the li berties of mankind, it is a base falsehood.—(Loud cheers from the Irish Members). Those are the words I used, and I repeat them. I say they have no foundation in fact. I call on him for his proot; and I have a right to ask for it.—(A laugh.) I took down the Noble Lord's words, and I have them here. The Noble Lord, in talking against the appointment of Roman Catholic bishops in England by the Pope, used these remarkable words:—" It was part of a conspiracy is prevent the ex tension of civil and religious liberty in Europe."—(Hear hear.) Now, mind, it was the appointment of Roman Catholic bishops in this country that was part of that conspiracy. Does that or does it not connect theßoman Catholics of this country with the conspiracy against civil and religious liberty?—(No.) Then I am wrong. But I say if there was no in tention so to connect them, the phrase was used in a manner and under circumstances which conveyed to my mind an imputation, and I repudiate it as I have a right to do. There is a conspiracy, and it reminds me very much of an ancient conspiracy remarkable in the history of this country, the conspiracy of Titus Oates— a conspiracy to put down the Roman Catholics, and abolish their civil and religious rights.—(ol), ob.) The language used in and out of this House confirms me in that opinion. I could cite case after case of the most disgraceful and discreditable imputations against the Roman Catholic body—imputations unfounded in fact, and which we repudiate, and have always repudiated, butwhich will be trumped up and brought forward again to rouse the passions and stimulate the exertions of a oertain class of the community in this country to pass Bills of this kind.—(Oh, oh.) I was so strongly reminded of that conspiracy, after hearing the speech of the Noble Lord, that I took the trouble to refer to the annals of that period, and found this account given:—" The im posture, which was brought forward in a time of popular commotion and supported by the arts and declamations of a numerous party, goaded the passions of men to a state of madness, and seemed for awhile to ex tinguish the native good sense and humanity of England. The most absurd and incredible statements, as they must appear to a thinking mind, were received without hesitation, and even men of the highest class suffered themselves to be agitated with the appre hension of dangers, the more alarming to the imagina tion because they were wrapped up in mystery." There is a great similarity between the mode of getting up the agitation in the two cases. In this case the Pope was to invade us some fine morning, and all were to become Roman Catholics in twenty-four hours. But I think the test which my Noble Friend has put will be a test of the honesty of the Government as to their interference or non-interference with the spiritual functions of the Roman Catholic clergy of this country. The Committee divided. The numbers were— For the amendment ... ••• ... 61 Against it 316 --255 Majority ... The amendment was accordingly loft. Mr. SADLIER contended that the Bill was con ceived in a spirit hostile to the course of policy entered upon towards the Roman Catholics by the Bill of 1829. Ev:aa the Noble Lord himself had, on va rious occasions, advocated the spiritual freedom of the Roman Catholic hierarchy, which the pro posed Bill would fetter to a most detrimental extent. He challenged the Government to show that the Roman Catholics of Ireland could have any other hierarchy than that which they had had for centuries. The heads of the Roman Church in that country performed their functions as archbishops of particular provinces and bishops of particular dioceses. There was no arch bishop or bishop who had not some archbishopric or bishopric assigned to him. Now if that were the case, he said that it would not be consistent with the spirit of the age, or the general liberality of the people of this country, that the exercise of the Roman Catholic reli gion should be fettered in the manner proposed in that Bill. He should move an amendment in the clause, by the addition after the word " thereby," of the words " for temporal purposes." Sir G. GREY said that, although the amendment of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman differed in terms from that of his Noble Friend the Earl of Arundel and Surrey, it was identical with it in meaning and effect; and as the House had just negatived the amendment of his Noble Friend, he thought he should only be guilty of an unwarrantable waste of their time, by repeating, in reply to the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, the argu ments which had been used against the preceding amendment. Mr. MONSELL said that in the county he had the honour to represent the diocese of Emly was situated, and in that diocese there were between 80,000 and 90,000 Roman Catholics, and about 1,200 Protestants. The Roman Catholic bishop of that diocese did not, however, claim any of those tithes or churches or funds which the piety of his ancestors had devoted to the sup plying of the spiritual wants of his flock. Those emolu ments were left to the 1,200 Protestants in that diocese. Now, he would ask the law officers of the Crown whether it would not be in the power of any common informer under that Bill to proceed against a Roman Ca►holic bishop for discharging the duties of his station, because he could only act under the authority of a bull which the Parliament of this country had declared to be un lawful? Now ho would put it to her Majesty's Minis ters, whether it would be -wisp on their part to set the people of Ireland and the laws of the land in opposition to each other, or whether they did not feel aware that they would by that means be laying the seeds of an agi tation which must produce the most disastrous effects in these kingdoms? The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said he had only to state in reply to the Hon. Gentleman what had already been stated four or five times that evening by his Hon. and Learned Friend the Attorney-General —namely, that they were not then making a new law, but that they were merely declaring what th e l aw had 1;:en during the last 200 years. Mr. SCULLY said ho believed that the clause as it then stood would make all future rescripts or bulls void, and would, by that means, prevent all communication with the See of Rome. But in that case no Roman Catholic bishops could be consecrated, and no Roman Catholic priests could bo ordained in these kingdoms for the future. The clause would, in effect, repeal the Emancipation and Charitable Beqiests Act. (The Hon. Gentleman was met with cries of "Divide" at every word.) He would not be put down by clamour, but he would tell the House once more—(Cries of " Divide") — that the question was not fairly discussed, and that another course would be taken if the u n f a i rness was persevered in. —(Cries of " Divide.") Th e c l ause s h ou l d be con fined to the temporal power of the Pope. Mr. J. O'CONNELL suggested that the Government should take the question into consideration, and carry out their own statement, that they did not wish to in terfere with the spiritual acts of the Roman Catholics. Mr. KEOGH said it was not unreasonable for her majesty's G o vernro b e a nt i atioreatadkyehasd it some time consider care under to their A LPOLE said that some forty minutes h a d been wasted b y Irish Members in ar g uin g a case which had no conne. a ion with Ireland. It would be seen that ituhresru. fourb w je na ct. nou T s h . ey . England; and the law , as the Sol i cito r- G e neral re ferred to had said, was Ireland. It i n the same state as before in respect leftto the law exactly as it was in September the clause addres sed itself to a p articular brief which 1850. Mr. SCULLY said if the Hon. Gentleman had heard the Solicitor - Gene ral he would think the same as he did of the clause. Mr. SADLEIR had heard the Solicitor-General say the clause applied to Ireland. Mr. GLADSTONE bore testimony to the accuracy of the statement that the e xposition of the clause by the Hon. and Learned Member for Midhurst was in dia metrical opposition to that of the Hon. and Learned Solicitor-General two nights previously. R e (Mr. Gladstone) had asked the Government why the bull constituting the see of Ross was not included in the clause, and the Solicitor=General had replied by saying that the question was one which could only be put by a man ignorant of the law, and by stating that the Act, being a declaratory one, it applied to all bulls. The Honourable and Leaned Member for Midh urs t, how ever, said the close had no reference to Ireland. His (Mr. Gladstone's) Honourable and Learned Fiend was not, however, consistent with himself. for he not only said that the clause did not apply to Ireland, but that it loft the law as it stood on the 28th September, 1850. If so, neither did it apply to England. This was a part of the confusion in respect of the Bill which had commenced with the second reading, an d w hi ch bad gone on multiplying ever since. The real truth was this —her Majesty's Government did not think it politic to put into the Bill the bull respecting the bishopric of Ross in so many words. They did not wish—and he gave them credit for the feeling—to point to any case affecting Ireland; but the more they proceeded with the measure the greater was the difficulty in which they placed themselves. Their declaratory Act was, there- tore, perfectly unintelligible. — '(Gear, hear.) If it de clared tho law, why did it only refer to one bull? If it only left the law as it was, why declare it all; and why pass a declaratory Act without stating where the exist ing law was deficient? In truth there were no two ideas consecutive and consistent in the entire Bill.— (Hear, hear.) He would give them an answer as well us he could. Ho maintained that there was no contra diction between both his Learned Friends, if they would understand the sense in which the answers of both were given. The Honourable and Learned Member for Midhurst had told them that that clause was not applied to Ireland. The Solicitor-General had informed them that it was particularly directed against a certain rescript which , wae promulgated in England. It only applied to Ireland in this sense, that being an Act of the Imperial Legislature, it was of course applicable to MAY 24, all parts of the empire.—(Hear, hear.) It was a de. ciaratury Act, and when they declared a law in England they were also doing the same for Ireland.—(Hear, hear.) His lion. Friend the Member for Midhurst was right in saying the clause was not intended to apply im mediately to Ireland. What they simply said was, to declare a law which was appflcable to both kingdoms. Mr. J. O'CONNELL said. tho ion. and Learned Attorney-General had made the matter more clear, for he had toll them that the dame did not apply to Ire land and that it did.—(Cries of "Divide, divide.") Mr. MOORE said it appeared to him that the state ment of the two Hon. and Learned Gentlemen was this —that that was merely a declaratory law. But the Member for Midhurst said it did not declare the law with regard to Ireland, while the Attorney-General said it did.—(Divide.) If that was not contradiction he did not know what was.—(Hear, and cries of " Divide.") The Committee then divided, when there appeared— For the amendment Against it Majority -. 317 -. -.260 Sir B. HALL was addressing the House on the re admission of strangers. He recommended the Govern ment to proceed with that Bill every day after twelve o'clock, and then they could go on with the ordinary business of the country at the usual hour.—(Cheers.) That course would be an assurance on the part of the Government that they were seriously determined to press forward that measure.—(Hear, hear.) That plan had been found to succeed with less important questions, and he thought it might be adopted with advantage in the present instance, as it seemed to be the intention of Hon. Members to put off the Bill as long as possible. Mr. KEOGH said the people of Ireland might always expect a consolatory proposition from the Hon. Member for Marylebone. The Hon. Members were not respon sible for the delay which had occurred, for the Govern ment had postponed the Bill and struck out clauses and inserted others from time to time. Did the House. then, want to exculpate the Government from all blame? If the course recommended was adopted, it would be for them to use such means of obstruction as they hal not hitherto taken.—(Hear.) Mr. M. GIBSON hoped the day sittings would not be adopted, as it would tend more to interfere with than expedite the public business of the country, so many Hon. Members were on Committees. He could not but agree with the Hon. Member for Athlone that some blame was due to the Government for the delay of the Bill, as they were frequently a whole night discussing clauses which were subsequently withdrawn.—(Hear) The Earl of ARUNDEL and SURREY said the Go vernment might postpone that Bill if the business of the country was at a stand still. He thought it would be a most unfair course, upon such an important measure, in which millions were concerned, to discuss it at day sit tings.—(Hear.) He was a member of a railway Com mittee, and he could not attend it if the day sittings were adopted. He could say he did not think they were liable to the charge, on the whole, of offering any factious op position to the progress of the Bill.—(Hear.) Lord J. RUSSELL said his inclination would be to consult the convenience of the House; for he was per suaded that other business would be interrupted, so much time being given to questions of importance ou which Hon. Members were not likely to be absent, if he resorted to morning sittings, which would provoke oppositioa of a different character than had been given; and, therefore, ho was not prepared to assent to the Hon. Member for Marylebone's proposition. He must say, whatever the cause of delay with respect to particular propositions, it was obvious that questions were debated eight or teu times over, and that answers provoked discussions. It was obvious, if this system ware continued, a great deal of needless time would be taken up with the Bill; there- fore, he reserved to himself tho discretion of taking morning sittings if necessary. He should not, however, adopt them unless he fjund it absolutely necessary. He looked for the support of the House in preventing un necessary delay. He would, however, just remark that the Right Hon. Gentleman (Ur. M. Gibson) on these occasions took an opportunity of making good-natured remarks (the rest of the sentence was inaudible). Mr. M. GIBSON replied that if propositions were brought forward, like those of the Hon. and Learned Member for Abingdon, only to be withdrawn, that would be the way to create delay. Mr. DISRAELI said tho Bill, although a very im portant Bill, was a very brief one, and notwithstanding the active opposition it met with it was not difficult to pfirceive there must be some end to the discussion.— (Hear, hear.) He could not help thinking that the time had not arrived for resorting to the desperate ex pedient of morning sittings. He had every wish to support her Majesty's Government—(Laughter)— in the conduct of public business; but he was bound to sa y it was impossible for Government to bring forward measures of importance without expecting an amount of active opposition, which in the ordinary course of bu siness might not be perfectly justifiable. The excess, however, which might have been expected had not bcen exceeded in the present case— (011!)—for though in his personal experience he knew how disagreeable it was to divide frequently on the same evening with one lobby full and the other lobby nearly empty, he could not forget that the measure of Government was not such a matured or well-considered measure as was entitled to the support of the House, but a measure which rather invited and encouraged opposition. Government had withdrawn clauses after discussion, and thus had recognised the . fact of there being a legitimate ground of opposition. He thought, under existing circumstances, Government had acted wisely in not acceding to the proposi tion of the Hon. Member for Marylebone. The effect of that proposition on the conduct of Committees would be in itself a fair ground of objection. On the paper he perceived there were several important Committees—one on the property-tax, and he wished to know how Gentlemen could serve on those Committees and attempt at the same time to con duct the morning sittings? Ho hoped in future discus sions it would be found expedient to expedite public business, as that must be the wish of every Hon. Mem ber in that House. After a few words from Mr. MOORE, The CHAIRMAN reported progress, and asked leave to sit again on Monday. 1851. eleven o'clock yesterday farenoon, for the terminus of the South-Western Railway, en route to Osborne. A Cabinet Council uas held yesterday afternoon at the Foreign-office, Downing-greet, which was attended by Lord John Russell, the Llrd Chancellor, the Mar quis of Lansdowne, the Earl of Mint:), Sir George tirey, Viscount Palmerston, Earl Grey, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, Sir Francis Baring, the Right Hen. H. Labouchere, Lord Broughton, the Earl of Carlisle, and the Marquis of Clauricarde. The Council sat two hours and a half. A Deputation on the subject of certain legacies for charitable uses in Ireland had an interview yesterday with the Chancellor of the Exchequer, at his official re sidence in Downing•street. The deputation consisted of Messrs. Grace, Keogh, Moore, St. George, Higgins, O'Flaherty, Blake, arid M'Cullagh. Lord Portman bad an interview with Sir George Grey yesterday at the Home-office. The Judges, grieen's Counsel, and the other law officers will not assemble at the Lord Chancellor's resi dence on the first day of the ensuing term. Sir T. Fremantle, Chairman of the Board of Customs, had en interview with the Chancellor of the Exchequer yesterday. Dispatches were received yesterday at the Colonial office from the Governors of the West India Islands. Dispatches were sent off last evening from the Colonial office to the Governor of the Canadas and the Governors of the other North American colonies. ISLE OF WIGHT ELECTION. , NOMINATION OF CANDIDATES. (raor OUR OWN CORRESPONDENT.) At eleven o'clock yesterday a very numerous meeting c of the electors of the island took place before the Guild hall of the borough of Newport, when Captain Hamond was proposed as a fit and proper person to represent the island by the Hon. H. A. A'Court Holmes. Thomas Willis Fleming, Esq., seconded the nomination. Bon ham Carter, Esq., proposed Edward Dawes, Esq., and the Hon. Augustus Moreton seconded him. On a show of hands, a very few were held up for Captain Hamond —a vast forest for Mr. Dawes. A poll was then de manded by the friends of the Captain, which will com mence at Newport, Cowes, and Hyde on Monday. During the nomination a large banner was displayed, having painted on it a naval officer, a sailor with his back cut to pieces, ard a boat►wain's mate with a cat-o'- nine-tails, from which the blood appeared streaming; " Hamond to the South Seas, Dawes for the Isle of Wight;" "You would not protect Queen Pomare," and ' other placards were as numerous as " Free Trade," N o Bread Tax," &c. Captain Hamond sported " Protection to Agriculture," but it was a very sorry display. It seemed a subject that all were sick of—even the chil dren could not be frightened with it any longer, and the farmers have at last found out how they have been humbugged. None of them show but those who have rings through their noses. SALE OF ARSENIC BILL. The third reading of this Bill was agreed to, after a few words from Mr. WAKLEY, who wished the Bill to have more time for consideration. The Stamp Duties (Ireland) Bill went through Com mittee. The Oath of Abjuration Bill went through Com- mittee. The St. Alban's Bribery Commission went through Committee. The other orders of the day were disposed of, and the House adjourned at Half-past One o'clock. ' THE GREAT EXHIBITION. The self-supporting character of the Exhibition is vindicating itself in the most remarkable manner, for yesterday the receipts at the doors from ss. payments amounted to no less a sum than 4,0951. 103. From the sale of season tickets 134/. Bs. was taken, so that the total sum added to the finances of the Commission was 4,2291. 183. This is really a prodigious success, and as tonishes even those who had made the most sanguine and extravagant calculations on the subject. The truth is, that the attractiveness of the display is only now be ginning to tell upon the mass of the community, who were slow to believe the astonishing features of the collection thrown open to their curiosity and admi ration. Notwithstanding the immense assemblage yes terday gathered within the building, it still remains as a whole by no moans overcrowded. The nave is well filled, but no inconvenience is experienced there in passing from point to point, and, though the more at tractive objects have groups collected around them, it is quite possible, with a little patience, to see everything worth inspection comfortably and well. The more re mote parts are visited, but not in large numbers, and there are some portions which, during the entire day. remain almost empty. Increased experience justifies, in a groat measure, the confidence in the capabilities of the vast edifice, which it is evident, from their arrange ments, the executive committee entertain ; and, if the multitude do not present themselves in greater force than 50,000, or even 60,000, on Monday, little difficulty will be found in accommodaing them. It is useless speculating upon the probabilities of an event now so close at hand; but, if all goes on smoothly and well, it will be a grand sight to see the vast tide of humanity rolling along that sublime central avenue, and swelling through the courts and passages of the interior to its remotest boundaries. In the French department Molnotte exhibits slippers and mulks (slippers without heels), remarkable for the elegance of their shape and the beauty of their work manship; also ladies' boots, a la Louis XV., made of coloured silk and satin. These boots are of the kind worn in this country at the time of Charles 11., and near them may be seen the embroidered silk stockings, worked with silver and gold, and forming part of the costume of the same period, which are exhibited by Miion. COURT CIRCULAR. _ OSBORNE, MA.Y 23. Her Majesty ansl kis Royal Highness Prince Albert, accompanied by their Royal Highnesses the Prince and Princess of Prussia, Prince Frederick William of Prus sia, and the Princess Louisa of Prussia, the Duke and Duchess of Saxe Coburg Gotha, and Duke Ernest of Wurtemburg, arrived hero at six o'clock yesterday after noon, from London, having crossed from Gosport in the Fairy royal steam-yacht, commanded by Lord Adolphus Fitzclarehce. Their Royal Highnesses the Prince of Wales and the Princess Royal accompaned her Majesty, the younger members of the royal family having pre ceded the Queen here. Her Majesty was attended by the Viscountess Jocelyn, Lady in Waiting, the Honourable Beatrice Byng, Maid of Honour in Waiting, and Colonel the Honourable Charles Grey, Equerry in Waiting. Prince Albert was attended by Lieutenant-Colonel Francis Hugh Seymour, Equerry in Waiting. The P rince of Wales was attended by Mr. Birch. The Prince and Princess of Prussia were attende d b y the Countess A. de liacice, the Countess Oriolla, the Count Pukler, Major Von Beyer), and Count Goltz. Prince Frederick William of Prussia, wa s attended by Colon el Fischer and Lieutenant Von. Heinz. The Du ke and Duchess of Saxe Coburg Gotha were attended by Baroness Wangenheim and M. B. do Treskow. This morning, the Queen and Prince Albert walked out early in the Park. Their Royal Highnesses the Prince and Princess of Prussia, Prince Frederick W and the Duke and Duchess of Saxe Cobourg Gotha, also promenaded in the pleasure-grounds and plantations. Her Royal Highness the Duchess of Kent and his Se rene Highness the Prince of Leiuingen arrived i the afternoon on a visit to her Majesty. ! The Duchess of Kent, accompanied by the Prince cf Lziningen, and attended by Sir George Couper, left her residence, Clarence House, St. James's, shortly before THE GOLD DUST ROBBERY. WINCHESTER, FRIDAY EVENING.—This day William Plampin, who has already been twice examined on a charge of being implicates in the gold dust robbery, was again brought up at the Guildhall. Charles Seagrim, Esq., the mayor, presided. Mr. Crombie appeared for the prosecution, Mr. Wontner for the Royal Mail Steam-packet Company, and Mr. Pelham, for the prisoner. Mr. Crombie, on the part of the South-Western Rail way Company, said he proposed to ask for a further re mand of the prisoner, and to call witnesses to corrobo rate the evidence of the railway porters, Edwards and Smith, given on the last occasion. It would be proved that the prisoner was in Winchester on the night of the robbery, and that he was seen, not only at the railway station, but at the Eagle Tavern, with two packages in his possession, which, from the description given of them, there was reason to believe were a portion of the missing pro perty. He might state that the police authorities were prosecuting inquiries in London and elsewhere, with a view of connecting the prisoner with other parties in these transactions, who were not in custody. Mrs. Lydia Cross, the wife of the landlord of the Eagle Tavern, near the railway station, and Eliza Cross, her daughter, then gave evidence as to the fact of the prisoner having been in the tavern between eleven and twelve o'clock on the night of Thursday, May 8, with two parcels in his hands. They mentioned a variety of circumstances which took place during the time he wes there. Mr. Inspector Field said that ho was engaged with the detective officers of the City police, end the sergeants of the metropolitan force, in following up those inquiries, and from information he had received within the last few days, he had no doubt he should he able to prove that the prisoner was connected with other parties who were implicated in this robbery. Mr. Pelham said he had had the strongest as surance from the prisoner that he was not in Win chester at all on the day in question, and he looked upon the case entirely as one of mistaken identity. The Bench after a short consultation said that they did not consider they should be doing their duty if they did not give an opportunity, by re manding the prisoner, for the production of any furl& r evidence that might be brought against him. As to the question of an alibi,, if the prisoner was able to bring forward twenty witnesses as to his berag in a certain place, that would be a question for a jury to determine. At the same time there were circumstances of suspicion that the bench could not feel disposed to overlook. The prisoner would be remanded for a week. Mr. Pelham applied for the return of some property found on the person of the prisoner, but this was reused till the next examination. THE FATAL COLLISION ON THE MID LAND RAILWAY. CHESTERFIELD, THURSDAY. From the answer to inquiries this morning, we learn that all the suffering passengers, on whose account there was the greatest rea son to apprehend danger, are now progressing favour ably. ilr. and Mrs. Tennant are still at Clay-cross ; and Mrs. John and Joshua Todhunter and the Rev. Mr. Heather continue at Chesterfield. All have the advan tage of the best medical treatment. The coroner's inquest was re-opened at the Municipal hall this morning at eleven o'clock. Mr. Macauley, solicitor, Sir Isaac Morley, director ; Mr. Saunders, traffic manager, and others, were again in attendance on behalf of the Midland Company. Mr. Fretson, solicitor, attended for the friends of the late Mr. Blake, and Mr. Waller appeared on the part of the relatives of the other deceased passenger, Mr. Meynell. Mr. Turner, of Sheffield, appeared to watch the pro ceedings on behalf of John Thompson, the guard of the express train on the night of the accident. Lieutenant Douglas Dalton, the Government Impactor of Railways, was also present. Mr. Macauley, after apologising for some delay, caused by his having to show Lieutenant Dalton over the portion of the line where the accident occurred, said he would comply with the promise made to the jury, and had present every servant of the company who was with either of the trains at the time of the accident. , e )Ndr. Barlow, civil engineer to the company, produced a plan of the Midland lice, of the portion of the line at Clay-cross, made after the accident. Several witnesses wcre examined, and the inquest was adjourned to Friday morning, The jury were taken by special train to view the locality of the disaster. CHESTERFIELD, FRIDAY.—The coroner's inquiry was resumed this morning at eleven o'clock, at the Muni cipal-hall. George Carter, the foreman of tho passenger train, 'rt up, the accident and they s t it fundoa n te d of , t he t e h il that i el n i r : fi t m o w d e d d a h blacked u a with p' bi h g e na w l e l il ig t h i t a t t o he pr d e i v r e e n c ; any up-train approaching. By Mr. Fretson—l do not know what was done to prevent any train coming on the down line. John Thompson—l was guard of the passenger train on Monday night. We left Derby at twenty minutes past nine. The proper time was five minutes. Ido not know where the fifteen minutes had been lost. When we got opposite the Clay-cross Station I noticed the slackening of the engine. When we had gone 150 or 200 yards the train stopped. I put my he„(' out, and went to the engine drib er and asked 6‘ What ' s the matter?" Ile didnot know exactly the ca use. He ex amined the wheels and pump, and then said there hwas something amiss with the pump-rod. I coked him rho long it would be before he was ready to go on. The fireman said ho thought it would be ten minutes, and the driver said a few minutes. I asked him if I should have occasion to go back with the signal, and the driver said, " Yes, you had better." I got into the van to get my lamp and signal out. I then went down be tween the two lines till I got thirty or forty yards be yond our train, when the driver or the fireman shouted from the engine " All right!" In return I shouted, "Is all right?" and commenced going back. When I had gat a short distance hack I heard the approach of a train. I had not seen or heard the train bl'ore I turned back. Our train was moving on then. I continued waving my red signal till I got on the foo tboard o f the last car riage. I then shouted to the drive, " Mak e to an u d s l . iad lt go w t aasshcoormtidnigstatnascteewr htehnanthl speed— make all the haste you can, there is a train coming." single-lamp. ifa avn e inig d il river of that train could Eee our red tail-lamp as well as my hand - single-lamp. There was a tail-lamp and two side signal lamps I had turned back before I heard the s to our train. I walked back with my red signal goo train comi ng. "nap turned towards the Clay-cross-tunnel. Tho train consisted of four car riages and a van. By Mr. Waller—We had three lamps behind when we started from Derby. We had order s to stop at Wingfield and Duffield extra. This order was given by the station master. First felt the 31w.lipn* ing of the train opposite the Clay-cross Station, The train did not move more than 200 yards before it minutes past ton o ' clock. The driver might have stopped it earlier if he had reversed the engine. It might be are minutes after the stoppage that the goods train came tie - My hand-sign a l cou ld h ave b een sc a n from the footboard of the carriage to the Clay •creas Station. The proper speed of the goods train wes 12 miles an hour. It was corning much faster than that. Consid erieg the time both trains started for Derby the luggage train ought to hare been half an-hour behind us. By Mr. Fretson—When we came to stand it was about 150 yards this side Clay-cross ',melon. I know where the semaphore signal at the station is placed, and understand how to work it. That signal is about 190 or 200 yards from the place where we came . to a stand. I walked at a brisk pace ba ck. I act off with the inten tion of walking half a mile back, because the engine. driver had told me he would be ten minutes, and I did not expect the other train for twenty minutes. I could not have walked forward to the signal as seal as, I walked back to the train. We were is quarter of an hour late on starting from Derby, and vie had lost ten minutes an the road. When I act off back to walk half a mile I got into my van and took two fog noble with me. Ought you not to have taken four? —We d 3. some tim.s. I have had a copy of the rules given to - Kip. I h,tve seen the rule that we are to place a fog , signal on the line every 200 yards, till we have got 800 yards- I the etu t n oc n )k ei. tvgii, g b o e t en w u i s t e I hin knew had 100 I yard snot of to go' the piabetfjo'orn,3l before I turned back. I think I could run 200 yattis in five minutes. I had only one minute to go out before I turned back, I had consumed three of the four or five minutes that we were stopping, by waiting tos c e a e u w se hat was amiss with the engine. I came back be heard the en g i ne - man sa y "All right." tnoticed when at Ambergste that we were twenty-six minutes behind time. We had come about at one regular speed. I was hurt by the accident. , My nose, was slightly grszod, and my foot much hurt. I remained on the footboard of our train till the collision, when I was knocked off. I 4.upposed the goods driver was.,alltcking, and ours getting off, we should get. out of the way. As soon as I got up, after being knoeked off ourAtiliti, I went back to Clay-cross Station, but found the aignalAad been put on. When I first left our train I 'went back to turn on the signal at the station, and only turned back without doing so because I heard the driver or tratean call out " All right." We don't usually ,seund the whistle on passing small stations. We - onlystop at these small stations not mentioned on the time-table by the order of the station-master at Derby. We hid stopped at two of these stations that night. I believe if on this night we bye had to stop at Claycross to putliown pas sengers, this accident would have occurred. There was no one at the station to receive the pissenger . s, - pp,put:on the signal if we h a d stoppe d . Th er e is no:onethere at night.. I don't know. that I have stopped at that station. but I have ino doubt t h at train• has, as well st Duf field and Wingfield. Thelmatilat that station dcleli, not expect us to stop, and whether there was any one there to receive the passengers _or turn on tha!sinal if as mere chance. I think the, goods_ train had come up to us in half the time they should have done, or less than that. • theinquiry adjourned Further t evidence ay. having bees .given, wits RAILWAY RETURNS,- TRAFFIC RETURNS FOR THE PAST WEEK. Miles opened, 1851. NAME OF RAILWAY. EVENING, BRITISH. Aberdeen •• ••• •• Belfast and Ballymena •• • • •• • •• Belfast and County Down.. • • • • • • • • •• Birkenhead, Lancashire, and Cheshire Bolton, Blackburn, andlVest York • • • • Bristol and Exeter • • .... • • •••• • • • • • • Ca1ed0nian............. • • • • Chester and Holyhead Dublin and Belfast Junction l,l Dublin and Drogheda.. • • • • • • •• • • Dublin and Kingstown .. •••• • • • Dundee and Arbroath .............. Dundee, Perth, and Aberdeen Junction Dundalk and Enniskillen. East Ang1ian............... •• • • • • East Lancashire • • • • Eastern Counties and Norfolk. • • • • Eastern Union ................ ** •• Edinburgh and Glasgow Edinburgh, Perth, and Dundee...... Furness Railway Glasgow, and South-Western....._. Glasgow, Paisley, and Greenock Great Northern and E. L.•....... Great Southern and Western (Ireland) Great Western , Lancaster and Carlisle.. ..... Lancashire and Yorkshire • . Leeds and Thirsk ••'.• ••••• • • • • ..... Liverpool, Crosby, and Southport.... London and North Western..• • • • • • • • 1 London and Blackwall • • .t • • • • • • • • London, Brighton, and South Coast.. London and South Western. • • • • • • • • Londonderry and Enniskillen • • • • • • • • Manchester, Buxton, and Matlock, &c. Manchester, Sheffield, and Lincolnshire Manchester and South Junction.• • • •• Maryport and Carlisle ....... ••• .. Midland ..... Midland Great Western (Irish) • • • • • • Newcastle and Carlisle.. North British •• .. ...... ......... North Staffordshire North-Western Scottish Central ..... ••• Scottish Midland Shrewsbury and Chester Shropshire Union South Devon • • • • • ... . . . South Eastern • • • • • • • • South Wales .. ••.. • • • South York., Doncaster, and Goole .. Ulster. Waterford and Limerick • • ........ • • West Cornwall .. •• • • ......... • • Whitehaven Junction .• • • • • • • • • • • • • • York and Newcastle, and Berwick .• • York and North Midland. • • • • • • • • • • 8534 lho 94% 49 171 3 A 223 i 236 262% 121,; 5184 1734 239 M 4 1675 i 934 28 496% 809 3,187 15,762 2,211 3,851 2,500 356 3,323 1,024 3,421 4,26.2 17,619 3,480 13,812 935 146 46,532 875 9,273 11,087 132 5,70 586 22,638 1,254 2,143 3,387 4,746 1,393 425 1,564 1.5 ig s 1 0,: 79 1,148 2,302 887 190 14,642 7,30 FOREIGN. Amiens and ...... •• • Dieppe • • • ..... • • • • • • • ....... • Montereau and Troyes Northern of France .• ............. Orleans to Bourges (Cent.) ......... Orleans to Bordeaux ............... Paris and Orleans ........... Paris and Rouen .•• ............. Rouen and Havre • • •• •• •• • • . 1,272 ifB3 16,511 2,608 2 953 7. 38 6,2116 2,558 £1.377 265 1,28$ 673 4.134 6,551 2,596 645 960 742 427 636 622 3,936 13,7, 1 1 4 2,057 3,960 2,219 545 3,725 1,033 9,513 5,142 19,037 3,913 16,443 268 48,042 1,092 9 .702 104,9; 155 6,898 549 21,862 1,313 2,i77 5,400 4,70$ 5,12 1,634 573 1,676 1,697 12,257 1,079 1, t 69 2,253 876 360 196 If, It 0 1,031 1, tB3 1;153 7,896 8.312 4,20 334 t 097 2;04 RAILWAY TRAFFIC RETURNS. LONDON AND NORT/I-WESTERN RAlLWAY.—Rettirn of Traffic for the week ending May 18 : Passengers, parcels, &c. £29,459 19 8 Merchandise ... 17,450 7 6 Cattle ... ... 1,101 11 7 Total ... ... ... £48,0 il. 18 9 Corresponding week last year 46,932 11 6 Note.—The returns as published are exclusive of the traffic of the Huddersfield Canal and Shropshire Union, North Union, Preston and Wyre, South Junction, Blanchester mid Buxton, and Buckinghamshire Railways, and of the propor tion of traffic deducted under agreement with the North Staffordshire Company. EASTERN COUNTIES AND NORFOLK RAILwAr..-.Traffie return for the week ending May 18:—. Passengers, parcels, &c. Z 7,375 3 1 Merchandise, cattle, and cartage 6,329 7 -4 Total ... £13,704 10 5 Corresponding week of 1850 ... 15,761 11 3 BRISTOL AND EXETER RAlLWAY. —Traffic for the week ending May 11 : Passengers Goods ... Parcels ... Mails ... • ... £2,504 16 1 • .. 1,250 7 9 153 3 7 223 4 2 ...£4,134 11 7 LONDON AND BLACKWALL RAILWAT.--AMOULIt of revenue [or the week ending May 18: Passengers Goods Total ... £1,074 10 9 ... 17 0 0 Total £1,091 10 9 Corresponding week last year ... 875 711 SHREWSBURY AND BIRMINGHAM RAnwAy.....Traffic re• ceipts for the week ending May 18 : Passengers £263 Carriages', horses, and parcels ... 12 14 Live stock ••• ••• ••• 313 Merchandise and minerals 251 3 0 Total .£.530 18 8 Corresponding period last year.. 646 4 9 SHROPSHIRE UNION RAILWAY.--(0pall 29 miles.)—Tratfie for the week ending May 18 : Passengers, parcels, &c. ....£37 .. 8 10 Goods and live stock ... 2b9 15 10 Total .. £648 6 bi f Corresponding week last year ... 492 4 5i MANCHESTER, BUXTON, MATLOCK, AND MIDLANDS J UNG . TION RAILWAY. —Return of traffic for the week ending May 18: Passengers, &c. 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Strand, London. fourth, some cases story 7 dnaedesierircrosaafbst design se,hlel the PRINCE ALBERT'S MODEL House FOR FAMILIEs AT Hy DE-rAR.K.— 11l its general the building is adapted for the occitpbtion of, fou v r ,. 0 usually the manufacturing and mechanical operative , " and as the reside in towns or in their immediate vicinity;e; gof space by eev prominent requisite o i s f i t s e value of land, whinh leads to the econom f eiri FOUR esenoti the placing of more than one family ender third, wt.tie a ihs.e: d tem d p i a t l i .an o n n i ; /f a a b ee n suited to such a 2 m a :D o s d l t 11 iifnor ocreirnearrangementaeexasteewrilin t he strength without an any f theother w a s 11 fi b c h peculiarit y central t lg t t o r h e a 1 the vd ol ocoboruoop:nnnl bricks formeds , t a no pk i r n f ris s t u ew t i inc a efheis t o .sfib i rec o eih n tystfi ,0 f i g thata: ntdih p T eo s l fr h h a ot e n eohi _ftefeb connectingrecedingrue t oeh from n t a e h e m l es gallery aa e sant r n rhm t n: il s a rtpre o er o a eovoo t r nent eo.esafet, the thlar iuLldaiing. are the exclusive use of a tal..erarattiTi°tnhioeinhs (excepting the r i e : jvab of ordinary brickwork), and the -whmtteaej'hibeeergain. the floors and roof, which are entrances to the d o fl a t arches of hollow brickwork, rising from set in cement, and tied in by wrought with etf e oh i n g uet u li nir t de r p u ea t d oatci : : ; e nn ce e o cted with cast iron ' springers, which rest on walls, and bind the whole structure together; t h h e building is thus rendered fireproof, and much less liable to t decay than those of ordinary construction. The roof arching, which . is levelled with concrete, and covered with paten t metallic lava, effectually secures the upper rooms from the liability to changes of temperature to which apart ments next the roof are generally subject, and the transmis sion of sound as well as the percolation of moisture, so com mon through ordinary floors, is effectually impeded by the hollow brick arched floors.—Builder. _ _ _ MONEY MARKET.—The quotation of gold at Paris is about 3 per mills discount, according to the new tariff, which, at the English Mint price of 3/. 17s. 101 d. p er ounc e for standard gold, gives a n ex change of 25.10; and the exchange at Paris on London at. short being 25.00, it follows that gold is 0.40 per cent. dearer in Paris than in London. By advices from Ham- . . burgh the price of gold is 425 per mark, which, at the,Enge., lish Mint price of 3 1 . 17 s. l O i d. p er ounc e for standard gold,. at dearer short i n being Lond 13.51, it t o ll ows t h at gold than in Hambargh. London gives an exchange of 13.4 i ; and the exchange at: Ham. , . b is ur o g 2 h 9 on pe L r en on c don t. The course of exchang e at New Yor k on London for bills at b 6O etw da e 3 e , n s' England and 110 2 per cent., and th e p ar o f exc h ange and America being 109 23-40 per cent., it follow 3 that the exchange is nominally 0.92 per, cent.. is favour of England; and after making allowance for differ- , ence of interest and charges of transport, the present zati leaves a profit on the importati on of gold from the United, States. - .' l ~, _, ~a Necelpta. 1850. 1861. in of kb tr ty •en- 1