The Sun. — London, England, 1850-06-11 00:00:00

[The following appeared in our Third Edition of last night :—] SPAIN. Madrid journals of the 4th inst. have arrived. The resignation of Count Pino Hermoso, first major-domo of the Queen, had not been accepted by her Majesty. It was reported that General Cordova would replace General Figueras as Minister of War, and that the latter would be appointed Captain-Gene ral of Madrid. The Minister of Marine had left for Aranjuez, for the purpose, it was believed, of receiv ing the Duke and Duchess of Montpensier, who were expected in Madrid at an earlier day than was at first announced. . _ _ The Pope's Nuncio had received a dispatch from his Governnment, stating that his Holiness had re nounced the intention of taking a Spanish legion into his service. The delegates of the Spanish stock holders had met at the Bank of San Fernando to come to an understanding on the reclamations to be submitted to - the Junta, appointed to adjust the debt. The meeting, presided over by M. Aidamar, agreed, after a short discussion, to elect a committee, which is to commu nicate with that Junta and with the delegates of the foreign creditors. MADRID BoLsa, JUNE 4.—The Three per Cents. closed at 331 for paper ; the Four per Cents., at 121; the Five per Cents., at 12E ; the Debt without In terest, at 3 15-1 G; and the Coupons, at 74 for cash. DENMARK. The Danish negotiations are quite at a stand still ; they may be described as virtually broken off till the result of the consultations at Warsaw produces some effect. The Holstein negotiations at Copenhagen have also failed. GE RMAN Y. A letter from Berlin of the sth, in the Indepen dance of Brussels, says :—" I have received some Wpositive details relative to the pretended Congress of arsaw, and to the turn which the discussion of German affairs has taken. At first, the matter was merely a simple diplomatic mission, confided to the Prince of Prussia, who, in order to fulfil it, was to profit by the traditional usage of having the Emperor, when he approached the frontier, met and complimented by a prince of the King's house. The mission consisted in sounding the ground, and finding out what would be the attitude of Russia in face of the German complications. These instructions presented nothing unusual ; the French Republic had sent General de Lamori ciere to the Court of St. Petersburgh for a similar purpose. Prince Schwarzenberg was not expected at first at Warsaw. His arrival was cal culated to modify to some extent the character of the interview. German affairs were discussed with more relief and insistence on the side of Austria. The Emperor expressed himself with much reserve. No one thought at Warsaw of invoking the arbitration of the Emperor. He had consequently not to condemn any one. The discussion went on as it would do any where else, and the Congress did not go beyond that. As to the affairs of the union they are at present in a good position. By a Cabinet order of the Ist inst., M. de Radowitz is named member of the college of the princes for Prussia, and M. de Lidou, our old envoy to Belgium, is to take his place. These nominations have been well received by the Germany party. The Government of Grand-Ducal Hesse applied for some explanations on several doubtful points on the resolutions come to at the college of princes. The reply of Prussia has appeared satisfactory, and M. de Lepel is expecting from day to day instructions." ITALY. The Senate adopted, on the 4th inst., by a majority of 39 to 12, the bill granting an indemnity t o the - victims of e Italian war. Four amendments, pro posing to increase the 500,000 livres required for the purpose by the Government, were successively rejtcted. The Chamber of Deputies voted, on the same day, the estimates of the Minister of Agriculture and Com merce, by 107 to 7. Monday Signor Varesini, Bishop of Sassari, had not been arrested, as the Genoa journals had erroneously announced. He was only prevented from embarking in the Ichnusa steamer, which was about to sail from Porto Torres for Genoa. The Roman Journal of the Ist inst. publishes a notice of the Minister of Finance, with a view to reassure the- holders of paper money, who had been alarmed by a report that the Government intended forcibly to maintain that currency and to reduce its value : " The Government," says the Minister, " will never have recourse to either of these expedients, and is now seriously considering the most efficacious meant), not only of diminishing the mass of paper in circulation at this moment, but also of redeeming the quantity, which is still to continue in circulation for a certain period." TURKEY. The Ost Deutsche Post has advices of the 25th May 1 from Constantinople, according to which Scutari, in Albania, is to become a free port. Should this prove to br. a fact, it will be of immense importance to England in a mercantile point of view, as it will open a direct communication with the interior of European Turkey. This probably accounts for the two .English vessels having taken the soundings off the Albanian coast. The measure in question is considered as the re'ult of Sir Stratford Canning's diplomacy. Count Sturmer, who left Constantinople on the 24th May, is now at Athens; from whence he proceeds to Florence, where he will for the future. re side. Before his departure splendid dinners were given in his honour by the representatives of the dif fcrent Courts. By a telegraphic dispatch of the 28th May from Zara we learn that 18,000 Turkish troops are expected in Travnik from Rumelia. The Vizier Tahir Pacha is dead, and it is currently reported that he was poi soned. The delinquents are said to to be Fasli Pacha Serifovich and Mustai Pacha Babich. Omar Pacha, Rho has the title of Seraskier Paths, reached Salonica on his way to Bosnia on the 20th of May. His suite is composed of 80 persons, several of whom are. Hungarians. MODEL DWELLINGS FOR THE LABOURING CLASSES. It will be remembered that during the prevalence of the cholera in the metropolis it was suggested by his Lordsbip the Bishop of London that public cha • rity should be directed to the improvement of the dwellings of the poor, as a measure best calcuted to aid in the removal of the disease. In his pas toral letter, recommending a day of thanks.. giving fur the removal of the scourge, particular at tention was directed to this point, and the col lections made were for the most part for this object. The liberal contributions received in answer to this appeal have enabled the committee to purchase a freehold site in Portpool-lane, Gray's Inn-road (one of the most miserable districts in the metropolis), on which is to be erected a model dwelling for 20 fami lies and 128 single women, while an existing building is to be converted into a washhouse for the use of the neighbourhood, as well as the tenants of the build • ing. In the cellar under the washhouse will be pro vided a range of inclosed repositories for perishable goods—such as fruit and vegetables sold in the streets by eostermongers ; and in addition to the security from decay or theft thus afforded, the cellars will be closed from Saturday evening to Monday morning, thus causing an abstinence from Sunday traffic. The accommodation for the 20 families will consist of two distinct buildings four stories in height, one building having three tenements with three rooms on two eac each floor, an d t h e other having two tenements with room s on each floor, a scullery and other requi site conveninces bei ng provided for each family, whilst to both house s there be an open stircase, and to th e l arger one ve g nati ay on of The communication,l 28n e thus sCuring complete a til women, of whom th egreater part are expected to be poor needle women, iv id will occupy 64 ro oms on a building of fr stories divided by a central staircase, with a corridor on each side forming a lobby to eight bed- 1 ro oms, each 12 feet 6 inche s l ong by 9 feet 6 inches! wide, and large enough for two p ersons. The charge is to be IS. each person, or two shillings per room ' hor f s or washing trough weekly. The washhouse is to be Co feet long b 20 feet broad, and will contain a twenty-four persons, ironing tables for twelve per sons, a wringing apparatus, and twele drying Each of these processes will es heated with hot water. of fireproof be kept distinct. With tlie exception of the wash_ house roof the buildings will be wholly - • construction, and the cost of constru ction, includi ng the purchase of the site, will be from 9,000 1. t010,0001., while the actual sum received does not exceed 5,3001., and the committee are naturally anxious for the assist ance of the public in order to avoid borrowing on mort gage, as they have been forced to do in all their other - model h ouses . Th ese h ouses, b es id es b e ing in this instance peculiarly appropriate as an application of the funds collected on the day of thanksgiving, are by no means an unprofitable investment, and even were no dividend returned on the outlay, the safety which they afford against the spread of epidemics and contagious diseases —leaving out of the question the high moral influence which comfort, habits of order, cleanliness, and regularity exercise over the lower classes of the population—would render it the duty of all who caa assist in their construction to do so in earnest. W -----...„..„ BERTHON'S PATENT --- IT E N T UAL LOG, OR SPEED AND LEE-WAY IN In this i ns t rumen t p er f ec t indicationsD of speed are obtained by a vo l ume o f fl u id ra i sed by the force of resistance, and, therefore, varying in height as the squares of the velocity ; and the lee-way, or true .hoe of motion, is shown by an index. needle, which moves over a graduated segment of a circle. The well-k nown pr i nc i ple o f a column rail 1 'by resistance ha s o f ten been practised before, bein thiat of ritOt't tube, by w hi c h , w i t h certain cone tions for knelt of water, li s t, & c., aPPXozimate incliclitions i. of speed were obtained by Captain Sir Edward Belcher, Mr. Scott Russell, and others. But that which is new, and especially important, in the present instrument, is a most interesting compensation, or self.acting correction for every disturbing force or tendency, which allows the indi cator to register nothing but the true speed of the ship through the water in a horizontal direction ; and at the same time the exact line in which it moves is also pointed out. This beautiful compensation sug gested itself to the inventor upon his discovery of other forces (besides the positive or uplifting one), which, inasmuch as they act so_ as to depress the column, may be called negative. These were disco vered by turning a small tube, projected from the bottom of the ship, at different angles to the line of motion. A point was also found at which there was no force exerted by resistance either positive or negative. Some very interesting experiments, re vealing phenomena as yet unexplained, will shortly he published by the inventor. These experiments were made in the South-Western's Company's steamer Courier by the assistance of her exceedingly. intelligent commander, Mr. James Goodridge, jun., to whose uncommon skill and perseverance the in ventor is greatly indebted for their success. In this instrument two forces are used, and made to act upon the two surfaces of mercury in a bent glass, furnished with a ball like a barometer. These two forces are equal as to every vertical movement or pressure, and therefore neutralize each other as re gards any effect of change of draught, list, trim, or the action of the sea, &c. ; but they are unequal, or rather dissimilar as regards the effect of horizontal resistance. MARKS OF IGNORANCE. In one of the archive-rooms belonging to Durham Ca thedral there are some venerable documents which con tain the signatures of William the Conqueror; of his son, William Rufus; of Duncan, son of Malcolm. King of Scotland; of Prince Edgar; of Lanfranc, Archbishop of Canterbury; of Thomas, Archbishop of York; and Wil liam Carileph, Bishop of Durham ; of the Earls of Northumberland, De Montford, and Chester; and of other princes, prelates, and barons of the realm; and all these signatures are simply the sign of the cross, or what are now vulgarly called marks; and so were many of the deeds executed or witnessed by Dien of high degree for centuries afterwards. arose. He believed it never was the intention of the Legislature that the Act should apply to estates so situated—(Hear, hear)—but only to estates seriously encumbered; and this was shown by a clause being in troduced into the original Bill, specially exempting estates not encumbered to more than one-half of their gross value. The effect of that clause was, however, ne gatived by an amendment being made by the Commons, saying that the net value should be taken instead of the gross value, and which was not repealed by this House. Another amendment was also made, by which all estates were included where there was a receiver on any portion, however small. That was all that this Bill proposed to remedy; and he asked the Government if they could pos sibly refuse, not only such an act of justice, but a Bill like this, which would actually facilitate the operations of the existing law, by reducing the number of estates brought into the court, and thus affording a better chance of a good price for those which were sold.— (Hear.) At present all the land in Ireland was liable to be brought into that court if, as he was informed, there was that facility under the Act of obtaining a good title, as it would merely be required to get a receiver ap pointed. lie asked the Government whether, when they passed that Act, they wished large estates to be sold merely because they were slightly encumbered? and if not they were bound to adopt this Bill. Lord CAMPBELL said, if his Noble Friend under stood that the Encumbered Estates Bill, as it now stood, subjected and required every encumbered estate in Ire land to be sold, he was under a great mistake. It was only where a receiver bad been appointed, and where nothing in the way of payment could be obtained out of the estate, that the Commissioners for the sale of encum bered estates had power to step in and direct the male of such estate. The Earl of WICKLOW was always in favour of the Encumbered Estates Act; but he must say that it had been brought forward at the most unfortunate time that could have been chosen. The Noble Earl then adverted to the powers given to the Commissioners, and being himself of opinion that the Bill of last session required amendment, he should give his support to the Bill of the Noble Mar quis — conditional support. The Earl of CARLISLE could not admit that there could be any objection to the conduct of the Govern ment on this Bill. He thought it was matter of doubt whether the Commons would assent at all to the amend ments proposed by their Lordships; but, believing that there were some inconveniences arising out of the ope rations of the receivers in Ireland, he was not disposed to divide against the Bill of the Noble Marquis, but rather that it should go to the Commons, there to be considered. The Marquis of WESTMEATH replied, and again took the opportunity of speaking in terms of severity of the Commissioners, whose political stomachs were ready for the confiscation of any estate they could get into their clutches, and to masticate, eat, consume, and digest it.—(Laughter.) The Marqui s of LANSDOWNE defended the Com missioners from the imputations cast upon them by the Noble Marquis, and contended that those imputations were quite unfounded. He, however, deemed it expe dient that the whole subject should be connected toge ther, and be would not therefore offer any opposition to the Bill goi ng before the other House of Parliament, and there bein g considered. Lord S VANLEY said, nothing was easier than to swamp a document by overloading it with a mass of irrelevant matter. What he asked for was specific and distinct.. viz., an account of the number of estates sold, the amount of the encumbrances on each, the an nual rental, and the number of years' purchase at that rental for which each had been purchased. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said, when the Noble Lord made a motion he would answer him on the subject. The Bill was then read a second time and ordered to be committed. This shows that writing was an accomplishment rare even among the great of our country in those times, and so troublesome to those who could write their own names that it was usual to put the mark only. These things bear witness to the low state of literature among all orders, and leave us to judge what must have been the ignorance of the great majority of the nation. Pass over the interval of a hundred years from the conquest, and we find curious mention of English stu dents going to the University of Paris, and the quality and habits of these students are thus delineated—" They are of noble manners and of generous dispositions : they give handsomely to the people: they dine oft many dishes, and they drink plenty of wine." They, then, must have been of wealthy families, or they would have had no money to lavish; and no wonder, if they were notorious for eating and drinking that the nobles them selves at this time were so unlearned, that, when the King of England sent an embassy to the Pope, the Earl of Arundel stood up, after the bishops had made their speeches, and said:—" May it please your holiness —we, who are illiterate laymen, do not understand one word the bishops have been saying." Roger Bacon, who was it star of the next century, in forms us that it took him twelve years to complete his studies, and that it cost him 2,000 livres for books and instruments; and that, after all, his contemporaries did so little appreciate his wisdora that they persecuted him for being a conjuror. Let us advance on to another generation, and a ludicrous story, related of Lewis Beaumont, consecrated Bishop of Durham in 1317, will give you an insight into the sort of proficiency which some Churchmen attained in the elementary art of read ing. Bishop Lewis Beaumont, a Frenchman, thrust into an English bishopric, knew very little either of Latin or English. When he had to read the bull of his nomination, he was obliged to spell it over several days beforehand; but, on coming to the word metropolitice, it so puzzled him he could make nothing of it. At last he cried out, in French, " Let it be supposed that I have read it. By St. Louis! he was not very civil to me who wrote down that hard word!"—Dr. Gilly. Without describing the apparatus in detail, it may suffice to mention that the tube called the way-tube passes through a stuffing box into the water below the bottom of the ship, provided with a rod for drawing it all inboard when desired. The tube is divided into two chambers, which have no connexion with each other, and have their ports or apertures turned at different angles to the line of motion—the two forces thus obtained act upon air enclosed in.two air -vessels, and the pressure of the air thus unequally compressed is conveyed alone in the very small gutty perch& tubes to any part of the ship, high or low, where it is desired to hang the indicator, of which any number may be supplied from ene way-tube. The lower end of the way-tube is furnished with a vane of peculiar construction, which not only keeps the ports in the right direction•, but also, by moving the rod above and the index finger upon it, indicates the true course or lee-way, if any. His Royal Highness Prince Albert was pleased to honour the inventor with an audience in November last, when he ex hibited and explained to his Royal Highness the in strument in a state not quite so perfect as it has become since. IMPERIAL PARLIAMEN HOUSE OF LORDS, June 10. ROYAL COMMISSION. Their Lordships met at Half-past Four o'clo the Royal Assent was given by Commission to th ing public and private Bills: Exchequer-bills (18,558 7001.). Process and Practice (Ireland) Act Amendment: Parish Constables. . , Acts of Parliament Abbreviation. Sunday Fairs Prevention. Licensed Victuallers and General Fire and surance Company (No. 2). Carlisle Gas-light and Coke Company. Faculty of Physicians and Surgeons of Glasgow. Colonization Assurance Company, Elgin Guildry Fund Society Incorporation. Exeter and Crediton Railway. Royal College of Surgeons of Edinburgh. Nottingham Freemen's Allotments. The Lords Commissioners were Lord LangC Earl of Minto, and the Earl of Carlisle. PETITIONS. The Earl of RODEN presented petitions from I ham and other places, praying for the abolition day labour in the Post-office. ' The Duke of RICHMOND presented a petitic certain tenant-farmers complaining of the preset cious mode of taking corn averages. ASSISTANT-SURGEONS. Earl MINTO entered into an explanation of a state ment which he made the other evening relative to assis taut-surgeons in the navy, and which had been misre presented iu the public prints. It was reported 'that he had stated that it was the intention of the Board of Ad miralty to provide additional accommodation for assistant-surgeons of the navy, in the sick ward. Now, he stated no such thing; what he stated was simply that additional accommodation would be pro vided, but he did not say when or how. ENCUMBERED ESTATES (IRELAND) ACT AMENDMENT BILL. The Marquis of WESTMEATH moved the second reading of this Bill, which he said was intended to correct the evils which resulted from the operation of the Encumbered Estates Act in Ireland, and which if not checked would end in the general confiscation of the lands of that country. He had no personal interest whatever in the measure, but unless Government consented to amend the existing Act, he saw no hope for it, but ruin to the majority of Irish landowners. This was proved by the statements that wore constantly being published in the newspapers, and he hoped Government, if they proposed to continue the Act without alteration, ' would preserve their consistency by extending its provisions to England. It was indeed a monstrous injustice that a man who was indebted considerably be low his rental should be forced to sell his estate to pro vide for the debt, at an immense sacrifice. Why should Irishmen be singled out for such oppression? They were not the only men who had been so unfortunate as to fall into debt. There were hundreds of land holders in this country who were far deeper in debt than his unfortunate countrymen, and if Government and the House wished to make an intolerable law bearable, they would readily consent to amend the evils he complained of.—(Hear, hear.) The operation of the Act was bad enough; but the evils which resulted from that were aggravated by the indiscretion of the Commissioners who were charged with the task of seeing the Act carried into effect; a parcel of monkics, in fact, could have presided over its operation with as much judgment and discretion, and he there fore hoped the House would at once adopt his amendment.—(Hear, hear.) The Earl of CARLISLE declined entering into a discussion of the operation of the. Encumbered Estates Act, but this he could state, that while some estates bad been sold at a sacrifice, others had been sold at an im mense advantage to the proprietors. That evils had re sulted from the operation was naturally to be expected, but they certainly were not of that magnitude which the Noble Marquis would have their Lordships believe. There was, however, no necessity for making any alterations in its provisions, which had not already been provided for by Government, and he must, therefore, call upon their Lordship s t o s t o p t h e f urther progress f this Bill. The Duke of RICHMOND would bo no party to the forcible sale of an estate at seven and a half-year's pur ehase, and he should support the Bill, The Earl of GLENGALL denounced the. Encum bered Estates Act as a downright robbery. It was a scandal to the Legislature, and no matter whether Go vernment intended to amend its provisions or not, ho would never cease to protest against it till the Act had been blotted out of the statute-book. The Noble Marquis had told their Lordships of estates having been sold at figures aver aging not more then 7 i years' purchase, but he knew of instances where the price had not been equal to two years' purchase. He admitted with the Noble Lord opposite that some properties had fetched excellent prices, but in those instances there were substantial residences attached to the estates.—(Hear, hear.) Great injustice was done to the Irish landowners in Lord Strafford's times, but the acts committed then were trifles compared with the villanies perpetrated under the existing law. The amendment about reserves was a mere swindle —it was brought up only three days before the end of' the session, and agreed to without a single Irish Peer know ing anything at all about it. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY entreated his Noble Friend not to use language which, in the present condition of Ireland, was of a most fatal description. He implored Noble Lords not to talk of meetings in Dublin to resist the laws.- Whatever the Government might do in Ireland, he trusted the loyal spirit of the Irish people would ever prevail, and that they would not be tempted to endeavour to effect a change in the laWs by measures of violence, which could not but lead to the most unhappy consequences. . Lord CAMPBELL said, that from the speech of the Noble Earl (Glengall) the House might suppose this was a Bill to repeal the Encumbered Estates Act, and it would never imagine that the poor paltry Bill really proposed by the Noble Marquis would. ever satisfy him. On the contrary, he would rather fancy that even if this Bill were passed, it would still be necessary to have meetings in Dublin to oppose an alteration of the law by violence; and that Irish land lords would still . complain of the tyranny of the Im perial Legislature. In point of fact, this was a Bill to make a very slender, and he thought inexpedient, amend ment of the Encumbered Estates Act. It did not even touch the question in which 'the Noble Marquis differed from the other House, of Parliament as' to whether the test of encumbrance should be taken on the gross income or the net income. It went merely to exempt from the jurisdiction of the Encumbered Estates Com missioners .those estates which are now subject to re earneddiffLeroerndt ceivers, or which are in the hands of the encumbrancer. Earl FITZ WILLIAM (who spoke from the purposehad Opposition made from that ry which r a e very benches)a lhe i said ci h speech, he a e h Noble intended.andL foravery He attacked the Bill of the Noble Marquis, not on the ground which he (Earl Fitz william) would have done, that it went to overact the legislation of last year, but that it wont to make so small a change that it was not worth making. —(:Tear, hear.) But in making that small change he must remind the House they were taking away por tion of th e l aw w hi c h was f raught w i t h ex t reme injustice to the l an d e d property o f I relan d . H e mus t, t h ere f o re, support the Bill. that Lord BEAUMONT thought his Noble and Learned Friend had either not read or—which was a very un usual circumstance with him—not understood the Bill now before them. The Noble and Learned Lord would lead the House to believe that, by passing that Bill, they would prevent the sale of encumbered estates in Ireland altogether in those cases where there was a receiver. That was not the case. The only case to which the Bill would apply was, where there was a large estate per fectly clear from all but a very small encumbranoe affecting a part only of the property, and not the whole, and there beiug a receiver on such part. - At present stash an estate could be brought into court and sold; but, if this Bill were passed, it would be exempt from the jurisdiction of the court. That was the whole effect of the Bill, which was made quite clear by the .Bill ef:_..th.e,...Nobl a Marquis. reciting that, por -1 tion of the p resent Act under which th i s grievance 1 ,fe As. de, the AUSTRALIAN COLONIES. Lord BROUGHAM, in rising to present a petition from certain persons interested in the Australian colonies against the Australian Colonies Bill, praying to be heard by themselves, or by counsel, against the said Bill, and to move that the petitioners be heard at the bar as desired, complained of having been misrepresented in the newspapers as to what he bad stated (a the subject of the County Courts Bill. He blamed no one for the misrepresentation, for he knew too well the great difficulty their Lordships had in hear ing one another in that House, and the general incapa city that prevailed among them o❑ that point, not to know that this difficulty was greatly aggravated to those whose duty it was, through the connivance of their Lord ships, to communicate what passed in their Lordships' House. Therefore be had no complaint to make—he could have no complaint to make, and he made no com plaint against the respectable and intelligent individuals who made those reports. But it was reported that he had said the reverse of what he actually did say in the case in question; and the knowledge of that fact had come to him in the very inconvenient form of cart-loads of letters, asking him why he had changed his opi nions on the subject of the jurisdiction of those courts. What he had said was, that it was his own measure firming , 'of Sun. n from Lt ftilla- of 1833 which had been lost in the House of Lords in that year by one voice. He had added that he rejoiced t see this Bill introduced elsewhere; but that he complained it had not been taken up in the fir t instance as a Government measure. He did not advo cate the abrogation of the option allowed by the Bill to take 501. causes into the superior courts, if the parties thought it necessary; on the contrary, he approved of it as it was given in the Bill. The Noble Lord then gave notice that on Friday next he would call the attention of the House to th , - jurisdiction of the Court of Chancery and the Great Seal, and proceeded to cite the heads of the petition, which were to the effect that the petitioners objected to the franchi'e fixed by the Australian Colo nies Bill as being too high—that they objected to the composition of the legislative council as vicious in prin ciple and alien to the constitution—that the federal in s'itutions proposed would be productive of discord, and that the great grievance of the colony was the Govern ment being carried on not on the spot. The Noble Lord then urged that the course prayed by the petitioners, to be heard at the bar, was not unusua l, an d h e quoted a dozen cases to that effect from 1803 to 1838. The Noble and Learned Lord concluded by moving that the peti tioners be heard at the bar by counsel. Earl GREY said, if it were the practice of their Lord ships' House to hear counsel at the bar on a Bill in pro gress, he should be very willing to hear them on the present occasion, as it might be of advantage, notwith standing that it might be att en d e d w i t h cons i derable w r a e s e t edn th waste f t their they would e Lordships' s objected to th e pt timeif they ; but he were to agree to th e motion of the Noble and Learned Lord; and he thought it a matter of great importance that they should endea vour to adhere, as far as possible, to the practice which had so long been observed by their Lordships' House in the matter. If there was one rule more established than another in the practice of their Lordships' House, it was that they should not hear counsel upon a measure before their Lordships House, except the individual interest of the petitioners was concerned. All the instances which had been cited by the Noble and Learned Lord were those in which the individual interests of the peti tioners were directly concerned. In 1825, when the Ro man Catholic Association petitioned to be heard against a measure for suppressing illegal assemblies, the prayer of the petition was rejected, on the ground of the prac tice of their Lordships' House. With respect to the Australian Colonies Bill, there was not one clause in it which affected the individual interests of the petitioners, and there was not a single alteration in it which had not been petitioned for by those colonies. With respect to the present petition, ho happened to know that great pains had been taken in canvassing signatures for it, and of those that were attached to it there were not more than five or six which belonged to persons directly con nected with those colonies, and that of itself formed suf ficent ground for their Lordships not acceding to its prayer. From the colony of New South Wales there had not been one single p e titi on aga i nst t h e Bill, though it was notorious in the c o l ony t h at i t wou ld b e passed this year; while from Port Philip petitions had come praying that the Bill might be passed into law as speedily as possible. In one of the p et iti o ns in favour of the Bill there were the na mes of almost every great house trading with these colonies, and of a large number of the most important proprietors connected with them who were now in England. There had been, too, sufficient time for the Legislative Council to instruct Mr. Scott, the agent for the colony, to petition against the measure, had that body thought fit to do so. But such had not been the case. As soon as Mr. Scott's petition had been presented to the House ho (Earl Grey) had a communi cation addressed to him asking him if he had received any instructions from the Legislative Council to petition against the Bill, or to suggest any alterations in it, that The answer if so he might h ave them brought un d er the attenti on o f the Government, w hi c h he had rec e iv e d from Mr. Scott last Saturday stated that the petition which he had presented indioated the grounds on which he prayed to be heard at their Lordship' bar against th e Bill, and that he hoped the statements con tained in it would be suffi c i e nt to induce Earl Grey not to oppose th e prayer of the pe tition. He (Earl Grey) found then that the a e n t had received no instructions from the Legislative C ounc il on the subjec t, and the act of Mr. Scott in petitioning against the Bill was a n uneu thorised a c t, w hi ch would no t g receive the approbation of his constituents. He trusted, then, their Lordships would not accede to the motion, or infringe the practice of the House, which had been adhered to even in the case of the petition of the West India planters and mer chants in 1833, w h en t h e y asked to bo heard against the Slavery Aboliti on B i ll. It wa s quite true that cou nse l municipal againstwa s founded, vario u 3 con tained had been heard against the Municipal Reform Bill; but that was because the report of the commissioners of in the case of a alleginagtitray'oofngwrahviechchtahregßesill that, cor porations of England. But the present was a very dif ferent case. He would only add, measure of publi c policy coming up from the other House, it was very unusua l that an application of that sort, which had not been made to the other House of Parliament, should have been made to their Lordships' House. U pon those groun ds he trusted that th e i r Lordships would not agree to the motion of the Noble and Learned Lord. Lord MONTE A GLE sa id he would take the Noble Earl upo n hi s own terms, an d would assert that thes e petitioners oug h t to b e h e ard at the bar of that House. They w ere actually leg i s l at i ng for persons who wer e a t a great distance from this country, and therefore, as this was a Bill which would alter the value of the property of the landed proprietors of Australia, certainly it was but an act of justice that these parties should be heard at the bar of that House upon a measure which would so much affect them. The petition which the Noble Earl had referred to in favour of the measure was not signed by a single landed proprietor in Australia. Earl GREY—That's a mistake. Lord MONTEAGLE—weII, let that be as it might, there was no question that the petition against the Bill was ifigned by numbers of people who held property in Australia. When the Bill was introduced, it was stated. that under it the colonists were to have the Power of disporiug of their WOK 5440. b4l 11 this THE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY EVENING, JUNE 11, 1850. Bill as it now came before their Lordships, that power was denied them. That. therefore, was a point on which the colonists differed from the Bill. The petitioners against the present measure complained against' the evils which it would inflict upon them, and he therefore asked whether they would carry through the present measure without hearing those parties at the bar of their Lordships' House? On that question he should take the sense of the House before going into Committee on the Bill. Earl GRANVILLE said he thought the best argu ment in favour of the Bill was, that it had been bix months in Australia considered by the Legislative Council of that colony, and by the people in general, and that no opposition whatever had been raised against it. That certainly showed that the people of Australia were not against it; and now what was the use of hear ing counsel upon it? From what he had heard, he did not believe that the feeling of the colonies was against the present measure, and therefore he could see no necessity for the present motion. Lord REDESDALE believed this to be the first occasion on which a similar petition had been refused, if their Lordships should refuse it, and he could see no reason why the prayer of it should not be granted. Lord KINNAIRD said that when the present mea sure was announced to the colonies. it was stated that they were to have the management of their waste lands. On that understanding be believed the Bill was accepted by the colonists; but that power being now denied, he thought the parties were entitled to a fair hearing. Earl GREY denied that the Bill submitted to the Legislative Council contained such a clause as to waste lands. Lord MONTEAGLE said that Mr. Scott had a perfect right to come now before their Lordships, seeing that it was not until the present session that her Majesty's Go vernment had come to the determination to abandon the control of the waste lands in Australia. Earl GREY considered that Mr. Scott had no right to take any step in this business without the permission of the Assembly, which he did not appear to have. The Earl of WICKLOW said that without further in formation it appeared to him inexpedient to proceed at present to legislate on this Bill, and he trusted either that the prayer of the petitioner would be now attended to, or that their Lordships would postpone the further consideration of the Bill to next session. The Earl of HARROWBY, looking at all the cir cumstances, considered it to be his duty to support the motion. After a few words from Lord POLWARTH in sup port of the motion, Earl ST. GERMANS said he was of opinion that a very erroneous impression might be produced on the minds of the colonists themselves, if the speech of Mr. Scott should be heard against this Bill, and he was of opinion that if' their Lordships should not proceed to pass the Bill which had been introduced on this subject, they might, by such course, produce an unfavourable opinion in the minds of the polonists. Lord BROUGHAM replied, and said with respect to his former argument, he was disposed to give it up. But Mr. Scott was the agent of the colony generally, and his commission was to represent theca to the Govern ment. And was he (Lord Brougham) now to be told that his (Mr. Scott's) instructions were to go for nought, and that they were to be thrown in the fire? Was it to be said by their Lordships—" You, Mr. Scott, are Mem ber for Berwickshire, and as you are in that character, we cannot, we will not hear you." Was that right? Was it right in Lord John Russell to get up in his place and say to Mr. Scott, " You are not instructed by your Berwickshire constituents on this question, and therefore we shall not hear you." But was that right ? Was that fair towards the " antipodes ?" He (Lord Brougham) must say that nothing could be so futile as such an argument. The objection to Mr. Scott being heard then was most unfair. He (Lord Brougham) must say that this colony had been very harshly dealt with; and he could assure their Lordships that had it not been for the promise of Lord John Russell with re spect to the land clause, their Lordships would have had numerous petitions from the colonists on the subject. He did not then hesitate to say, that Lord John Russell stopped their mouths. There were strong reasons why their Lordships should not persevere hastily with the Bill now under consideration, and he hoped their Lord- ships would be of opinion that Mr. Scott ought to be heard on behalf of the colonies. In his humble judg ment, all the arguments ho had heard that evening, amounted to an additional reason why they should grant the prayer of the petition. After a few words from the Earl of ST. GERMANS, in explanation, Their Lordships divided, when there appeared— For the motion Against it ... ... 33 Majority against hearing counsel at the bar —8 On our return to the gallery we found The Bishop of OXFORD moving that the Bill should be referred to a Select Committee, when they might hear witnes►es that they could not hear at the bar. The Bill appeared to him to be frankly the most injudicious handling of a great and permanent interest. Ile denied that it was the desire, of the people of New South Wales to have a single chamber, and if the Committee were granted he would undertake to prove that assertion by evidence that could not be controverted. He considered that the uniting the free colonies proposed by the mea sure was a most monstrous proposition. In respect of the interests of the Church of England, as pointed out in the Bill, he considered that they were altogether over looked, tor while pertect freedom was given to the Pres byterian, the Wesleyan, and the Baptist, the Church of their fathers was left unprotected. He did not want to see the Church of England established in those colonies, ' as he did not think they were fit for such a state of things, but what he wanted was, that the Church of England ►hould not be circumscribed and shackled i❑ its operations in those colonies, as it would be by the present measure. Considering, therefore, all the cir cumstances attending the measure, he felt him,elfjusti fied in moving that it should be referred to a select Committee. Earl GREY said he thought the proper course for the Right Rev. Prelate to have pursued would have been that they should go into Committee on the Bill that day six months. lie could not conceive what was the object of the motion he had now proposed. The Right Re►. Prelate had said that information was wanted on the subject, bat even though that was the case, such could not be got by referring the Bill to a Select Committee, so as to have it passed during the present session of Parliament ; and therefore the object of the Right Rev. Prelate would be defeated. He considered that they were in possession of all the information necessary on the subject, and he could not, therefore, see the necessity for referring the measure to any such Select Com mittee. He was persuaded that the system of Govern ment now in operation in Now South Wales was ex ceedingly well adapted to the condition of the colony. Had they asked his opinion some years ago on the sub ject, he might have been of a different way of thinking in relation to the constitution of the colony , but men's minds had, in a course of years, adapted themselves to that constitution, and to the institutions under it ; and the principle of the Bill working well there was suf ficient to induce the Government not to alter it with out the consent of the colonists themselves. He should now repeat the argument which ho made use of the other night, namely, that when Parliament had once given a representative system and government to a colony, they bad no right to alter it without the consent of the colo ,,ists,(Hear, hear.) The Noble Earl then read ex tracts from the inhabitants of various districts of the co- lony against any alteration in the constitution of the colony. His Lordship also read resolutions agreed to in the colony, to the same effect, and said he thought he alterationh sshttwiehu isoi ncet d n(dhhßE m oiopniuugrrto d tthi htp e at hGeonßoesyßrui madeeket yiymnl oi a )on:rwiwa, strong inrsibalteuernhtldrhadoeogetuneeeviteow c atn a nuhow s t dleua e do cudwo consentot h dhena yva consent constitutionenenv r t gnee h :vt e soaehoo r srfeff e c nNhtt should hehaecemenwr gecacchange Secretary consentoel oronu n ynant o intiohs t ths ftotabes‘ssiev: altera tion eas a aybrni t n ueaery y ts.: con stitution of a colony without the consent of the colonists themselves.—(Hear, hear.) From South Australia, Victoria, and Port Philip, petitions emanating from large and influential meetings had been forwarded, pray ing the Government to pass the Bill at once, and send it out, and, in like manner, they had petitions from various places in Van Diemen's Land, praying that the Bill might be passed, and condemning the Government for continuing the transportation of convicts to the colony. But the Eight Reverend Prelate urged that, because the people of New South Wales were content with their constitution, so also ought the people of the other colonies. The Right Rev. Prelate had gone further, and taunted him (Earl Grey) with speeches which he had made is the other House of Parliament, with a view of showing him inconsistent on this subject but ho had never made a speech yet in that House that he was not prepared to make in their Lordships' House, Nay, more, he had gone farther on this subject in their Lordships'House, than he had ever gone in the other House of Parliament--(Hear.) The. system of governing the Australian colonies was at present most unsatisfactory. Even a slaughterhouse could not, for sanitary pur poses, be removed from a neighbourhood without send for power to the home country. The Noble Earl then drew a distinction between the laws which the Crown ought to allow, and those which it ought to disallow. Of 127 Acts which had been passed by the Legislature of New South Wales, not more than five had been disallowed by the Crown, and those fire were disallowed on tech nical grounds, and sent back ; and five had been sent back for amendment and alterations. Ile might add that 99 out of every 100 of the laws made in New South Wales, related exclusively to local matters. He found that of 272 measures which had been brought forward in New South Wales, 184 were carried by the members of the elected Council Chamber. He earnestly entreated their Lordships not to throw out this measure by adopting the Right Rev. Prelate's amendment—not to dash from the lips of the colonists the cup of expecta tion, nor to postpone for another session the enactment of a measure which the colonies themselves called for. The clauses which the Right Rev. Prelate considered as objectionable, if they really were so, could be amended in Committee, but to refer their consideration to a Select Committee, would in effect be to consent to a postpone ment of the entire all for another session, and this was a step which he was not prepared to sanction. Lord STANLEY said if this Bill were to be a final measure—if it were intended to pass the:Bill with their present amount of information, and without expunging some of the more objectionable clauses—then, believing that the enactment of such a measure would be most dangerous, he was prepared to join the Right Reverend Prelate in his application for a Select Committee, even at the risk of losing the Bill. If the G.ivernment per sisted in the passing of the 30th to the 35th clause, he must vote for the amendment of the Right Reverend Prelate; hut if he could get an assurance from the Go vernment that these clauses would be modified he would not do so. Earl GREY said, that as the Noble Earl had ap proved of clauses up to, 30, ,the clearer and fair ourse would be to,go into Committee upon the Bill, and, when they Ceja9 $9 the (Aimee objected to, ovbjeot them to discussion. As to the 35th clause, for example, he him self was strongly desirous of retaining it, but still he should ❑ot regard its rejection by the Committee as a sufficient reason for abandoning the Bill. Lord STANLEY said it did not follow that he was favourable to all the clauses up to 30—quite the con trary. Earl GREY said that, under those circumstances, they had better go to a division. Their Lordships then divided, when there appeared— For the amendment 21 Against it ... 34 Majority for the Government ... —l3 Their Lordships ajourned at Half-past Twelve. HOUSE OF COMMONS, June 10. The SPEAKER took the Chair at Four o'clock. LORDS' AMENDMENTS. The Lords' amendments to the following Bills were considered and agreed to:— Greenwich Hospital Improvement. Guardian Fire and LiFe Assurance Company. THIRD READINGS. The following Bills were read a third time and passed Cobbe's Divorce. Edinburgh Slaughter-hou►es Removal. Oxford, Worcester, and Wolverhampton, Birmingham and Oxford Junction, and Great Western Railway Companies. The following Bills, as amended, were considered and agreed to, and ordered to be printed:— Kent Waterworks. Oxford, Worcester, and Wolverhampton Railway. Southampton Waterworks. ryne Navigation. The Prussian Minister's Residence Bill was read a second time and ordered to be committed. PETITIONS. Mr. DUNCOM.BE presented a petition praying fur the abolition of all test oaths in the Universities of Scotland. General LYGON presented a petition from Worcester against the Savings Bank Bill. Mr. TUFNELL presented a petition to the same effect. Sir J. Y. BULLER presented a petition from the clergy a , ,d laity of Exeter against the system of secular education. Mr. GROGAN presented a petition from Dublin against the Bill fur abolishing the office of Lord- Lieutenant. Colonel RAWDON presented a petition against the Savings Bank Bill. Colonel THOMPSON presented a petition from the Bradford Savings Bank, praying the House to refer the Savings Banks Bill to a Select Committee; also ten petitions from various parts of the metropolis in favour of the Marriage Bill. Mr. CLIME presented a petition from Shropshire to the same effect. Mr. HEY WOOD presented a petition in favour of the Ten Hours Bill. Sir GEOItGE STRICKLAND presented a petition to the same effect from Todmorden. Lord BROOKE presented a petition from the War wick Savings Bank in favour of the Savings Bank Bill. Mr. MASTERNIAN presented fifteen petitions from various parts of the metropolis in favour of the Marriage Bill. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL presented a petition against any alteration in the County Courts Act. Mr. B. DENISON presented a petition from a place in Yorkshire in favour of the Marriage Bill. Mr. HENLEY presented a petition from Oxfordshire against the Bill. Mr. FlTZROYyresented a petition from Lewisham, praying the House to pass a Bill to prevent the use of dugs in carts. Mr. CORRIE presented a petition from the Dun cannon Savings Bsnk praying the House to refer the Savings Banks Bill to a Select Committee. Mr. MACKINNON presented a petition from the South London Cemetery Company against the Govern ment Interment Bill. Mr. BANKES presented petitions from factory ope ratives in Todmorden and ether places in Lancashire in favour of an effective Ten Hours Bill. Culonel FREESTUN presented a petition, very nu merously signed by some of the most influential inha bitants of Weymouth and Me'combo Regis, who have prefixed their addresses, being a counter petition of one he had the honour to present from the same place, pray ing that the Honourable House would not make any alteration in the present mode of delivering letters on Sundays, as the petitioners humbly think it would be at tended with the most injurious effects in case of sick ness, or urgent public or private affairs; which was re ceived with cheers. ROYAL ASSENT. The Deputy Usher of the Black Rod appeared at the bar of the House and summoned the Speaker and the House to attend at the bar of the House of Lords to hear the Royal Assent given by Commission to several public and private Bills (for which see Lords' report). Colonel CONOLLY pre'sented several petitions from places in Ireland against the Marriage Bill. Mr. BUTLER presented a p( tition from an indi vidual in Kent, complaining of the conduct of a justice of the peace in that county. Admiral DUNDAS presented a petition, from a place in Sutherlandshire against Sunday labour in the Post office. THE NATIONAL GALLERY. Lord J. RU,SELL gave notice that to-morrow be would move for the appyintment of a Select Committee to inquire into the eceolarnodation provided for tliie pic tures in the National Gall-ry. SUNDAY LABOUR IN THE POST-OFFICE.— REPLY OF HER MAJESTY TO THE ADDRESS. Sir G. GREY apceired at the bar, and said that with regard to Sunday labour in the Post•office, he had to communicate her Majesty's answer, which was as follovvA:— "I have received your address, praying that the col lection and delivery of letters shall in tuture ()lithely cease on Sunday in all parts of the kingdom, and also that an inquiry should be made as to how far, without injury to tne public service, the transmission of the mails on the Lord's-day might be diminished, or entirely sus pended; and, in compliance with your request, I shall give directions accordingly."—(Efear.) Mr. THORNELY wished to know whether there was to be any exemption of the foreign correspondence of the country? Suppose a packet had arrived from Ame rica yesterday at Liverpool, with some 10,000 or 12,000 letters. Under the present system these letters would have been sorted and sent on to London last night, and deli vered in London this morning. These letters would likely have contained bills of exchange to the amount of many hundreds of thousands of pounds, besides a large amount of stock.—(Hear.) The same thing might occur at Falmouth or Southampton, and ho wished, therefore, to know if there should not be an exemption of foreign correspondence? Lord J. RUSSELL said the address only prayed that an inquiry might be made as to the transmission of letters, and the prayer of that address would be carried out. There would be no exemption as to the delivery of any letters on Sunday. In reply to Mr. GIBSON, who wished to know if the collection of letters in large towns would be stopped on Sundas, Lora J. RUSSELL observed that all he could say was that the Government would carry into effect the address of the House. FACTORY BILL. In reply to a question put by Lord J. MANNERS, Sir G. GREY said he should bring up the report on he Factory Bill as the first order of the day on Friday. NEW HOUSES OF PARLIAMENT. On the motion for going into Committee of Supply, Mr. HUME moved for a Select Committee to inquire into and examine the various reports, statements, and plans of the architect relative to the New Houses of Parliament, and also into the manner in which the works have been conducted, and the different estimates made, with a view to ascertain the cause of the great increase of charge above the estimate for the plan delivered by Mr. Barry, and examined by proper officers, amounting to the sum of 707,0001., on which estimate the sanction of Parliament was obtained for the adoption of the plan; and that the Committee be instructed to obtain from Mr. Barry plans and estimates of all the additions and alterations made by him upon his own responsibility; also those that have been made at the suggestion of or under the authority of the Lords of the Treasury, the Commissioners of Woods and Works, or any other par ties; also what farther plans and projected works are intended to be carried out for the completion of the said Houses of Parliament, with proper estimates for the various items, so as to arrive at the total expense for the whole building, fittings, and decorations. He said the object of his motion was to put an end for the present t the proceedings of the Committee of Taste.—(Hear.) On a former occasion the House refused to grant money for certain pictures for the new Houses; and his object now was to request the House to prevent any further expenditure under the direction of the Committee of Taste, it being clearly super fluous for what he called the substantial accommodation of the new House. He, there fore, sought by his motion to prevent any further exPendi- turn under that head. The second object of his motion was that an inquiry should take place with a view to the examination of the various plans of the New Houses of Parliament, and also as to how the work had been executed, arid particularly as to the great in crease of the cost over the estimate, amounting, as ho had been informed, to the sum of 707,0001. His motion contemplated the giving accommodation to from 420 to 460 Members in the New House. The lobbies too were lamentably deficient; the other day, when they divided in the New House, he was told that although only 287 Members divided, the crowd was inconvenient in the extreme. Also, the accommodation for strangers, and the Committee-rooms, were far under the standard laid down in the resolution which had been come to by the House. 99 tenders were originally sent in for the building of the House, out of which No. 64 in the list, which was Mr. Barry's plan, was chosen by a joint Committee of both Houses. He (Mr. Hume) bed at that time doubted Mr. Barry's estimate both of his original and his improved plan, because he bad reeeivrfd very different estimates from valuators of very high tanding, and when Mr. Barry was examined before the Committee he had submitted him to a strict question ing, and had succeeded in showing the Committee that there was very little reliance to be placed in those esti mates, although they had before that authorised him to proceed immediately with his plans. Then there was a report of the Commissioners of Woods and Forests in 1837, in which it was stated that the erection of the New Houses could not be executed according to the drawings of Mr. Barry for the sum of 707,1041.. the es timated cost. The House then determined deliberately not to proceed until the estimates could be ascertained, and on no account to exceed that which was st a ted . Whatever might have been the reasons why that calcula tion turned out so defective was to him (Mr. Hume) un known. Whether they were occasioned by the ad ditional works of Mr. Barry himself. or b y an y other person, whether by the Committee of that House orba the Com missimeri 9f Winds awl FortiffilloPar. Bete) did d not know; but se e i ng th e s t a te to which they - 1 - rived, wi t h th e l arge sum a l rea d y ex pended, and ie t seir the uncertainty of even knowing what the limits of expenditure might be, he thought the time had artly.e'f: for putting a step to the proceediegs of the Cooaltt!` of Taste. He had heard that very day that it an contemplati on t o pu ll d own t h e w h o l e o f the houses "lee ese,"s ;b• jaeent to the N ew H ouses of P ar li amen t on the w f Bridge- s t ree t, i nc l u di ng the l aw courts. He :ere mitred that th e d ev i at i ons f rom t h e or iginal plan w o e , of a nature that ought really never to have been seer It was originally i nten d e d t h at h er M a jesty was to e the in her carriage at the s id e o f t h e gran d tower leading t°ll`ce House of Lords; but when the pillars of that e n s ul t est were proceeded with t o some es t en t, it was /bu n ' o p there was not sufficient width to admit the carrisgePired ing without taking out the horses, and the pillars recl u , e . to be pulled down, in order that the defect neight t , le Q uote died. Taking then the whole subject into consiae% be and without wearying the House with further deal L os would'simply say that if they permitted such grieveeure. to continue they would not deserve the contideiecto the posed in them by their constituents, or be eniiileuthe re character of independent men. It might be i n s , so ioa collection of Hon. Members, that on a late "' s ' sten a Peer, who was a member a the C° t°- l ee• of Taste, presented Mr. Barry with a mehl• dal, at a meeting of the Institute of libelled tests ; and if the House had ever been pot to by any one it was by th a t N o bl e Lord. He w a ! ta ste be understood in the least as doubting Mr. Barry 6 0 0 or his genius, or hi s i mag i na ti on as a n architec t, bee 0 line he was only now dealing with him in his ° uri n e...* with the building of the New Houses of Farhat:ll de s, (Hear, hear.) The Noble Lord to whom he s T I ° h oe Earl De Grey, w as re p or t e d t o have said , "I ' i c ed read that your predecessor, Sir Christopher Wre%eter to see the completion of one of the greatest , w ee ments of his genius, St. Paul's, and I trus t th ° good fortune may await y ou , an d t hat you Will °e the w elsh completion of the magnificent building en 0 ere you are engaged. Sir Christopher Wre a :es, s ad gaged thirty-feur years in th e erectiote9l- s t-Jer s , you h a ve not y e t occu pi e d h a lf t h at tiale. ' is Now, would the House repose confiden c° , o the Commissioner who did n o t l o ok forward,. joss completion of the n ew e difi ce before W e , Tea of fourteen y.ears.—(C r i es o f " H e ar, bee to Noble Lord, after a lludi ng t o m an! P urP „ ° t l on r which the building - w as to be devoted, we e Wo ° say—" Sir Chrisfppber Wr en h a d t o deal with ni h e e ce se knew *hat t 1)0 3 hey wanted, but! th a t has not °l OO O with you.—(Laughter.) Sir Ohristopher Wren ' s o rry to were fow, yintreare-legipn.—(Laughter.) l am "'jib gay that the au gus t assebebly which has moat to do s 01 1 the erection of, this magnificent structure 11°9(1001 number of questionsto ask, makes suggestion" , °li s ieteci• criticisms oo a subject with which it. is not aecl n i f os se The Hon. Member con c luded by as king the "-- disallow thevote which bad been proposed. Mr. B. OSBORNE seconded the motion. Asti The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQu' o wlet not sorry_ tat the present motion had il,,,e en fpr to' but . he was' sorry that the Honourable L ° sots mixed - up two separate and distinct e'bored together in his speech. He must say that he . 4 of the House would not accede to tke in °tl : o lets the Honourable Gentleman. With re gard fe et Fine Arts Commission, the Government had 1°5 1 3g c ' t proposed an alteration in the mode of disP° 6 e d of the grant to that Commission, and now, in' h t ; e se ts t ° every year a statement being made of the m e ," eas which the grant was to be applied, a certain. au" s of - annually put at the disposal of the Commissioeer,fiel Fine Arts. He was certainly surprised th at h tbe regard to the latter part of his sP° °c ,il b ° Honourable Member had not waited !Oro ea (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) ha d , e t i r, the table a return of all the sums expende d 'je Houses, an imperfect copy of which he hese' '; e itie' hand. Those returns would show how far the ' I I the a estimate of Mr. Barry had be e n excee ded, ae in reasons for that excess ; sad th e H ouse would teeing be a much better position than at p resen t for deoiu;,;seer, the merits of the case. B u t, un d er an y eiretinn i ` i beele he did not think it would be desirable that th e l 7 r eurr , appoint a Committee to e x ami ne i n to all the - sldis; stances connected with the progr e ss of the new; " 6 , -- c t las s since the year 1837, as they w ou ld th e n be inin!eeds ° ' , interminable inquiry, and as a C omm ittee which toe" in the year 1844 had investigated all the !tee,e i gies i in the matter previously to th a t per i o d. TD O estimate of Mr. Barry for the cost of the n ateh ee lte eonb t , portion of the new Houses h a d b een 682,0001. col' a considerable addition had since been made to Pole. of the edifice; but that addition bad be en .„ tbe s for the most part, for work s no t includet i estimate. The gentlemen employed for the' 1 134 of inquiring into the estimate of xr' re ett,: had reported teat it was a fair an necks . able one; but had also stied that a further_e"„r s e ture might be necessrry for other purpose/0'1404j, the purchase of the site, the damming up of th . ,' .0 13 ' and the nking of the foundations of the buildl;geit that fun' er expenditure would, as they bac i l . - tei d A i " amount, in their opinion, to 129,000/. All t'Ti ne ar e ,r O tionat seurees of expense had b een i ncu rred, n t.„ - o litr with the knowledge of the House. The CeL t err which had sat in the year 1844 had reported Thee o° musty to that period some a lt era ti on s bad bee' 0 0 0 ' in the plan of the building without any adequate s ', rity; but they had also stated th a t those alteratiati t , t eee great improvemente, and that they approved ° ROO having been made. Hi s H on . F r i en d had co o P nie d 01 , that a certain pillar had not been erected es ONE; Pi the plan submitted t o P ar li ament But t h e fact '" s . gil* found in that pillar, alth oug h i t was to be th e °ri plan, had been omitt e d f rom the pi of w hich e g 1,36111-1 Houses had afterward s approved. He an should obe er L many sources of increased expense had arisen d ; ".leti l i progress of the wo r k s . It h a d b een thought dett h b o s b . a instance, to employ a bett er ki n d o f stone; and b"- led to an incre a sed ex p ense o f a b out 23,000 e )4 elf also been resolved th a t me t a l sas h es should h e tea l ployed for windows in s t ea d o f t i m b er sashes, l t ioe ° ornamental carving should be adopted. The ° u m a r expense created by the latter change lied anit i ,:ese s '' s about 82,000/, The purchase of the site, th e 0 . - „ ( 10 - c mutt of the river, the sinking of the foundatio net se ; improvement cf the sewerage, had led to au 183 0001. Surely it was no i m p eac hment of .t-esetll ; faith, or of the ability of M r . B arr y that the' u ee e t'et should have led to an increase of expenditure.,°niste amount in which he had calculated in an e ° 7l, - ft s i g a' which these works were not included. Again' eest e l of iron had very much risen since that estimetesisl been made. He believed the increased cost of 0 3,0 00 since that period had amounted to not lees than e a red Thee again, the cost of the system of warming a i ri ne luti' f , tilation which had been adopted had not been "eitre''t in Mr. Barry's estimate, and it would surely be in tb make him answerable for the cost which bit' ;etre way been incurred. The present estimated elr to fr the building was 2,000,0001.; but in that estio.joia' included a sum of 200,000/. for warming and Ye l ' e l-l e lse ta s and for making the building fire-proof. lie bau r ; tee, observe that in the orignal estimate of Mr. B i e r s "( tet' ; ' had not been included the cost of furniture a nd r o e ci tIO r which would amount to 500,000/. In shot t, he I:',i'ste fir the amount of the expenditure over the 034.71, et l 9 works included in the estimate had bu,, e t ied°, l l , 200,0001.; and in that excess were included l'er tre r ber . 0 6 tionsl cost for improved materials, and the fur tt"j, dittonal cost which had arisen from the l en gth epo te over which the works had been spread. 11° r io tts, a !' c o however, that the House would, in his oPie i ° s teer s ° " - es better able to form a correct judgment upon "m" jece•" t after they should have received the returns 1 ,15 , be meant to lay before them, than they could P°'' to the that moment. His Hon. Friend had alluded fr D T 0 at commodation in the new House of Common s ' e sto o believed there was a g r ea t diff erence o f opin . ien s ,afhe a - n ; subject.—(A cry of " No.") Well, be bad iii it. at two or three opinion s , a t l eas t, w ith respo t ,„ ° a t 'iti they would, he b e li eve d, h ave a morn ing sitt" s istiog sr House to-morrow (this day), and an svenipg : r js, P; 0 0 the course of the week; and they would afte rfi e - , s atlit e e 'et haps, be able to come to something like O s 'Toed t 'lie decision upon that point. But he readily' eu ° :," itrcl s ` t it might be desirable to have a Conssitt e :`,;egliYie . . into that subject, while be thought that they sleaoss'or then to appoint a Committee to institute a° terminable investigation into all the pro(-e e netted with the progress of those works. BURR After a few words from Sir C. BUB'" -- 0 1 were inaudible in the gallery, ;0 on tb ° Sir R. PEEL said that although the qUelSt -° ,,, tan the Hon. Member for Montrose propose a ° be t opinion of the House was the adoption or r e) i s s j, particular vote, he should say a few W°L epee; ,sot which had occupied about nine-tenths of sou t "_, o ' the Hon. Member—namely, the present It At ; sea large edifice intended for the reception of t fare' I') of Parliament. The Hon. Gentleman had s r , Pfieg address that had been delivered by his 0 1 : ree n :o! Notle Friend Earl Do Grey to Mr. wiltsßarrY tP-00' him on the part of the Society of Architects. f his blo in admiration of his genius, a nd approbation ° ll i, 140 o p' duct. Now he (Sir R. Peel) rejoiced th e ,!, o the' °P ie Friend had presented that address, and toe:oo6o%s, portunity of informing Mr. Barry of th e ills eonn'os. which he was held by the architects of ja w thitseit' He was sure that his Noble Friend, in I st u se ° ter dress, had not meant any disrespect to the el ° bt to e? mons. But his Noble Friend had a perfect r i s g (. 61 s r s et tain his own opinions upon that subject; en m ine e"jto Peel) submitted that the House of Ol i o OP / 110ft not to be so very critical as it was w ific es.- - th e the free expression of opinion in other P, eive elve° t he hear.) They ought not to claim for t " to ether s :bleb, right to condemn Mr. Barry, and deny w ittee ioe o right to defend that gentleman. The L' °° t 3 l ,,, sar i 1 0 0 0 f had sat in the year 1844 had stated that t bis, p . see no blame to Mr. Barry fur the alterations;_ntos tn.vest and that they had every reason to belie _c on i n ece, e 'd alterations would be conducive to the ef s nL e ble the general effect of the building. But • Is esi parrY _ s ain Earl. De Grey had intimated that Mr. ow n ~.t b e with - persons who had not known their __,, or e tbe o j , Now was the lion. Member for Montrose ar..6-001re.r.) had himself been one of the main suggeet ° ,: eos e, he' s ,Dt teratione in the House of Commons7--k-n the -0n , 1 6 ; j He wished to remind the Hon. Gentleman Aqclo,; to be tolerant of differences of opinion. .% eOO , O eon am," from Mr. Hume.) So . the Hose bad rt and - he (Sir R. Peel) would show him that ne :n. _o he to be s o.—(Larighter.). Lord Besburough, a i b s t , t or a of " dense les:fat:tepee Committee of 1844, bad ate tt banS ej e hacl beep extremely reluctant to consent -° a stie ece se e, the plan of Mr.. Barry, anelobiefly in nun se. 's t eptienget observation matre to him by Sir Beniei nal ' au eb• that if he were once 'to consent to anY ' et o; h is _he would be involved in all sorts of clitfielo_, oi a Noble Lord was then asked who overruled tn iv e g " shere - ee , reply was, he recollected Mr. Hume lutelf u t he (Laughter) —and stating that it was a ta ba . _,..„ 0 sr a sary that the Sergeant-et-Arms, who h " eeS l 7,. House, should have apartments built f0r,i i ) ,! ;11 , 4 11 a' e Grauville ,Somerset asked in what elier_t e ci ' l°4' " A be made that obeervationrand the answerweeir; _t v6 ;it 7,10 Member of the Committee. He way- a ed orldrTh" Vim obleryotion prc-ig r. A SWINDLER. A somewhat novel expedient for " raising the wind" has been communicated to us. One day last week the residence of a Preston gentleman (who has a son in Australia) was visited by a respectable-looking individual, attired as a subordinate officer of the royal navy. After making sundry preli minary inquiries, the stranger intimated that he had recently landed at Plymouth from Australia, and that he had formed the acquaintance of Mr. —'s son at one of the colonies of that country. Upon this, the visitor was invited into the drawing-room, and several questions were addressed to him by the young ladies of the house, respecting their absent brother, from whom they had not heard for a considerable time. The man, however, replied, " I shall tell you nothing until I have seen his last letter ; I know his handwriting, and I shall then see whether lam at the right house." He was told that the letter was then not at hand, it having been lent to a friend. At length he informed the anxious querista that he had brought over a large box from their distant brother; that on his landing at Plymouth, the custom-house officers examined the contents of the box, which they detained, on finding therein a letter addressed to Mr. —; and that he had business to transact in Liverpool, but had been at the expense ofjourveying thence to Preston for the purpose of seeking the yonng man's friends and making them acquainted with these circumstances. r He proceeded to make various other representations, which we need not detail, evidently with a view of obtaining money. In the meantime, however, Mr. -- arrived ; he haring been sent for by one of the young ladies to hear the important intelligence. He at once surmised that the man was an impostor, and proceeded to sub mit him to the ordeal of a searching cross-examina tion. On being asked what the box contained, he replied " natural curiosities ;" and in the course of some further conversation, he said, " The custom house authorities will pay no attention to you if you write to them ; but if you have a friend in Plymouth to whom you can refer, I will go with him for the box." Still Mr. manifested his in credulity. At length the stranger became indig nant at the suspicions cast upon his integrity, and exclaimed, " Take down my address," which he gave as follows :—" George Sandars, second mate of the ship Auckland, Ply mou th." P erce i v i ng to his dis- I cornfiture that Mr. -- was not to be caught with chaff, the visitor at length took his departure, with a great display of wrath ; the person who escorted him to the door being requested, in nautical parlance, to " open the gangway." Alr. -- has since written to the Custom-house officials at Ply mouth, from whom he has received a reply, stat ing that there was no such person in the service and that numerous application had been received respect ing imaginary boxes like the one described. We un derstand that the audacious impostor, who is a young and good-looking man, wears a profusion of jewel lery, which he loses no opportunity of displaying ; this, in all probability, was purchased with the pro ceeds of his fraudulent career. —Preston Guardian. LORD PALMERSTON'S ESTATE. Last week, for the first time, we visited the above estate, situated iu this county, and within a few miles of this town. We have seldom discharged a similar duty with greater pleasure. The property, which extends from the boundary of Leitrim at Bunduff-bridge to the Half-way house at Castlegarron, is about 10 miles in length, and the whole estate, we have been informed, contains some 1,500 acres, varying in quality, but all exceed ingly rough and difficult to cultivate. The average rental on the estate is by no means low and scarcely equitably proportioned to the quality , or the land. In justice, however, to his Lord ship, we must st a te th a t he never pockets a shilling by the estate, but invariably lays out all on improving the state of his tenantry. For the last ten years he has purchased seeds fur his tenants at considerable expense, and improved in this way the product of cultivation. It is but right to add, also, that the tenants are never pressed, and although two years' rent are now due on the estate, his Lordship has ordered seed to be given out as usual. His Lordship having obtained an extensive grant from the Board of Works for the purpose of improving the estate, has been enabled to give extensive employment to the poorer classes of the tenantry. Upwards of 100 men are engaged at present in making roads fur the accommodation of interior portions of the property. Under the Arterial Drainage Commission better than 50 men are engaged in opening Cartern River for the purpose of giving fall to the sewers being opened on either side, and employment for similar purposes will be given to 200 men for the next three months in opening Grange River. The good effects of this system are already apparent. While hun dreds of acres, muctl• better land, are uncultivated on other properties, there is not a single acre of this rough inferior land of Lord Palmerston's un let on the whole estate, and but four persons in the receipt of relief in an entire electoral divi sion. The improvement of the property has been facilitated considerably by emigration. In 1847 and 1848 his Lordship expended 11,000/., in sending thos e o f hi s t enan t ry w hi c h could not occupy the soil to advantage to America, and else where. This gave liberty for the present system of improvement which is being carried on in the estate. Cabins which were unfit to live in have been replaced by human habitations, and a system of en couragement adopted which has made the small' far mers rival each other in the neatness of their dwel lings. We are sorry 'co see the neat little harbour of M ulloughrnore, upon which his Lordship laid out somefifteen or ta a werAty thousand poun d s, lying compara tively use l ess, a beautiful little smack lying idle in the Barbour remunerative fiswhinnich mi g ht b e usefully employed for Lordship on Wh g ole purposes. W e congratulate his owever, on hi s successful ef forts to improve his esta: h teand th e soc i al condition of his tenantry at time, the samee wThel d aimple facts we have stated g o further tmr. would both hi m Smyth, than any equally to t u o a u t mrbaeelvesomitting and the a and his effiudcientt n owe, u c h m credit L is duty y er w it h e i d ch la weaios agent, tenantry, were we not to state, h due to the local agent of the property, through whose untiring atte n ti on to ther.busi yneb, " of the estate and the interests of the tenants, designs of the proprietor are being efficiently carried out. Possessing the mutual confidence of the owner and occupiers of the soil, and possessi ng a thorough knowledge of his business, Mr. Ly nch is well adapted for the discharge of his onerous du ties. It would be well for Ireland, everything con, sidered, if the owners of the soil, generally, b a d t a k en so lively an interest in the welfare of his tenantry, a s Lord Palmerston has done on this estate. —Sligo Chronicle. SINDE PRIZE MONEY.—We are glad in being able to announce that the rolls of the unclaimed shares of the Si n d e pr i ze money, due to the Bom b ay port i on of the force, h ave as sa been received' by the Court of Directors of the East Indta'Conipatiy, hnd distribution will commence' as soon the e 'ce•ssarY arrangel32ollo call be made fvr that prpose. `Unites Service Gazette. .11c, when e follow- tnight bi emiployn That thc to Which the Com *at the branch ing had I the decor wand ti sPht,re. ".histor night, ha this also r J.q