The Sun. — London, England, 1851-06-14 00:00:00

DENMARK AND THE DUCHIES. ' A letter from Altona, in the lndependanee of Brussels, says :—" The discord between the represen tatives of Holstein and the deputies of Schleswig and Denmark in the Assembly of Notables, at Flensburg, becomes greater and greater every day. It is a singular fact, that the Schleswig representatives are much more opposed than the Danes to the adminis trative and financial union of Schleswig and Hol stein, and which the representatives of the latter duchy wish to restore to the same state as before the revolution of 1848. As the Schleswig and Danish represents Ives form the majority, it is expected that those of aolstein, having no hope of getting their plans adopted, will retire from the Assembly, after putting in a protest against the proceedings." An explosion, which caused the loss of two lives, took place on the 7th in the fortress of Rendsburg. Some artillerymen were engaged on the wall of the Neuwerk in emptying the exploding powder out of some old shells, when one of them exploded, killing two men on the spot and severely wounding a third. It was necessary to amputate his arm immediately. The cause of the explosion is not known, but is sup posed have arisen from friction in boring out the stoppers. Li consequence of the di:solution of the School of Cadets for the sea service at Kiel, the several teachers of that establishment receive' their dismissal on the 30th ult. The Danish National Fk!s',,ival held on th 2 6th on the heghts of Duppel, in memory of the action fought there on the same day in 1849, was attended by more than 8,000 persons from Alsen, Sundowit, and Flensburg. General von Krogh and five of the Notables were also present ; speeches adapted to the occasion were delivered. BOSNIA. getters from Agram, of the 2d, in the German Journal of Frankfort, state from Bosnia that a new insurrection had nearly broken out at Trawni k and Serrajevo, but that the arrival of Omer Pasha at the former place defeated the intentions of the enemies of the Government. Omer Pasha directed several high dignitaries to be arrested, and Fazli Pasha among the number. Many of the malcontents have been in cofporated in the army, and others have been exiled to Tripoli. TWAL OF COUNT AND_COUNTESS DE -130CARLYIE. • l!ode The following noblemen and gentlem en and other distinguished penionages visited Mr. Wyld's l arge of the Erth. in L ? icestr-square , during the p ast week. ' —.Duke of Wellington, Duke of Northumberland, Duke of Hamilton, Earl of Dartin9tith, his Excellency the Airltrian Ambwador, Lord and Lady Granville, Lord Craven, Colonel Bailey, M.P., Captain Green, Mx., sir W. Clay, M.P., and Mr. Waittr, MEININGEN, MAY 20.—A new edict has been added to our statute-book. It regulates the administration of an oath. The formula be,ins with the words , " I take a solemn oath," &c., and concludes, "So help me God." The sacredness and inviolability of the oath, together with the ,11 1 Pi4i,Iftskttendant on perjury, must be explained by the mb.bi of the respective parties. No Jew is in '1. 114 ;t 0 :0 4 571in epellad to take the oath in the synagogue. b egt4,orghtl e lr 4.deB ,fO,l itlitriAmENT.--Oniv 13 public Acts _avlik.Oecii-14z4v3 in the present session, notwithstanding r"" tjas been sitting mere than four AlOllO5. :• re 2 The whole of the sitting of the Court of Assizes of Mons on Wednesday was occupied with th e requisitory of the Procureur du Rol. e entered into an e l a b orate examination of all the circurast Inces proved i n ev id ence, and contended that they established that the murder had been resolved o n b y b oth the accused, and perpetr a t e d by both; and that both had taken the measures they considered calculated to prevent their guilt from be coming known. He had not concluded when the court DESPERATE SUICIDE. On Wednesday an inquest was held at Mr. Gough's, the Steam-packet Tavern, Strand-on-the-Green, Chiswick, before Mr. Wakley, d e p u t y coroner f or Middlesex, upon the body of Mr. Samuel Thorrington, aged 58, a coal merchant and barg, , e-master, late residing at Hill Cottage, who destroyed himself by discharging a rifle-pistol at the back part of his head. The first witness called was Sophia dlorrington, the deceased's wife, who stated that on Monday evening, the deceased and herself were the only persons in the house. About eight o'clock she went into a room occupied solely by the deceased, in which ho transacted business, and asked him for an en velope to enclose a letter she had been writing to one of her daughters, who is living at Windsor. He said, "I won't give you one." He then went into an adjoining bed-room, and the witness went back to her room and sat down. In a few minutes he walked in holding a pistol in his right hand, and exclaimed, "Here, old girl, the time has come." She, fearing that ho was about to murder her rushed towards him, caught hold of the pistol with one hand, whilst with the other she opened the front door, and ran into the front garden and culled out " Murder, police." A policeman was Pissing at the time, and as he was entering the garden the report of a, pistol was heard by bdtli t;±* them. She returned to her husband's room with the policeman, and found deceased lying en the sofa, weltering in his blood, and the pistol grasped in bis right haul. He was teen struggling in the agonies of death. When he came to her he was without his shoes. Dr. Holdness, of Windsor, had attended him for fifteen years. Had said ho was decidedly insane, and ought to be under confiuement. He appeared always anxious for usincso, and closely attended to it.. He had said she Was a disreputable woman, and would not believe the children were his, although she had borne him eight. He had repeatedly threatened to murder witness. When she came it was to see his mother, and she took posses sion of a mall bed-room. When deceased knew she was in house he said he would get a policeman to drive her our, and he only wished he had a pistol. De ceased kept a sword between his bed and mattress, and a brace of pistols on the, mantel-piece. She had been fourteen months away troll him. Jessey Allen, police constable, 106 F, gave confirmatory evidence. Ocher evidence was given, including that of a Mr. Bambridge, a sea-la-law, who said, that although the deceased lived separate from his maintained her by indirect means, and he had always acknowledged his children; but the was an unhappy difference existing between deceased and his wile, created by interaering acquaint ances of the wife. A verdict was ultimately returned that the deceased destroyed himself in an unsound state I of mind. F/ MS 2 ' SOIREE AT THE ROYAL COL LEGE OF SURGED VS. The president and conceit of the College of Surgeons give the first of their three .soirees on the occasion of the Great Exhibition, on Wednesday evening, when Professor Owen delivered a lecture, of which the following is a brief seminary, to the Bite of the profession and several dis tineuished foreign surgeons. The si rsearned Professor commenced his lecture by re markin upon the great difficulty in distinguishing be tszen animals and plants. The chemist had endea veined to help us, and it was supposed that a close examination might reveal the true nature of dubious objects ; it was found, however, that many supposed animals exhale oxygen, whilst many fungi and alga) exhale carbonic acid. As regards the binary character of the vegetable compounds also, and the ternary and cristernary of animals, it has lately been shown that the reentle er envelope of the ascidian molusces is com posed of a distinct binary compound. SI again in re ap, et to the presence of a digestive cavity, the pores in the auctorial extremity, and the canals in some of the eutogoa, are clearly analogous to the radieu , m pores and canals of plants. In fine, the progress of science not only shows that we have no one die tinssuishing test, but even brings to light more close amito. g i, s . The immediate subject of the evening's die course was to point out two peculiar phases of organic existence —metamorphosis and metagenesis; the former was illustrated by the passage of the tadpole from a fishlike animal, breathing by gills :sod living on vegetables, to the cerniveroue air-breathing frog —or, perhaps, more evi. stlitly in the development of the perfect, winged insect from tWt vermiform lessee In the mouesterea mutehin, also, an eutogeon infesting waterfowl, there is an equally pe culiar transformation, one which is particularly interest ing• as evidencing the means by which the parasite may gaiu admittens o to the interior of the body of the nit. icsal on which preys. in the ec , ..,. ' it lt passes from the ovum nataen cf an undeveloped mass, which shortly "nrnsa a cercariforrn type of body, sw i mm i ng freely by tne: rne.zitns of a long tail, unt il i t reaches its des tined h e apertures, or Perhaps then enter by one of the normal .apsleyrce its way by means o f a long, sharp roboscis. fi f final cchining, entersd, it u n d ergoes i ts s, sad becomes the fi xe d, motionless, in ternal parasite. maC geuesit! was illustrated by the miter parthogsnees or virgin recreation I P ,it was stated, h db P o the aphides. This years atto, and la's havestigetioans heannvedcelsenarrilnyelpnaroavneyd following facts:—lti the spring, the t when h the first animal comes forth from the some what erablike form, A : the sseuegs,tituteasof3o7 iangsleos; be seen a g sh n nilar birth —this to another, and so on reproduction — .gut ,witb b i , t it may ; then the spermatic aphis, to which it gives h 'nation of a perfect to the seventh or eigot .tsget-,,T7atioo fore; seezna to exhaust i 0 it t i l n i the s for complete. individual, for the last c ~r(lsaztagenie aphides is with w i ngs and ref, nrg aes me d usa , , ureta, as shown by Siebolt S b o o , rn again, the which, msg. Sam and Daley edge as a ciliated genam• ---. ell, prottucss an embryo, ilebe segments, until ing through its first 64-e'',.3 vire off buds—this Comes fixed and polype-!ilia , ' 4l ' ''. into polype IY each segment is cast then bee ones constricted trenvifp,rgse, Wast e the constrictions deeesh ,n h generative apparatus — era perfect medusa, with its ow 7...seuc , as the ease may be. A testicles or ovaries, and ege y etagenesis of analogy comparison was then drawn betweenth ethme er plant and of a compound polyee, and thefiesneoud. ren dered beautifully clear, it being evident the ciliated form s its primary cotyledonary leaf, so prolongation mile its first polype ; the plans sends u p a bearing poiyns ; • lastly, other leaves so the polype its stem bearing.a reproductive flower, so theindividual with : the plant at the end of it; " la . generative Apparatus, and just as any leaf (in some polype an plants) or leaf -bud will reproduce the tree, so any polype may be removed from the stem and reproduce another. The Learned Professor then traced the embryonic deve lopmSnt of the asc ar i s, and deduced the principle that, as the impression produced by the impregnation was diffused through the entire. embryonic mass by the va p *us subdivisions of the ger m i nal vesicle, so in ro or- , tion as the cells of this mass remained unchanged p by development into tissues, does t h e property of metage riesis`Censain in force. The lecture eras heard throe through out with great attention, and was illustrated with excellent diagrams. EVENING) JUNE 14, 1851. THE SUN, LONDON, SATURDAY MARKET INTELLIGENCE. (From the London New Price Current, June 13.) WestSu o i k n ri. di : s T u o ,: d a SUGAR.—To-day yhe w f otr homeera am s ch b consumption; et the demand rat afa ob tained or are equal to those of Friday last, and in some cases 62 above. The purchases to-day were 1,190 hhds, &e., including at auction 125 hhds 12 tree 95 brls Bar badoes,o which realized 403 to 41s for fine yellow , 36s t 36s 6d for low to good, and fair brown 35s to 35s 6d io REFINED.—To-day home dealers were buyers become fair extent of Refined goods, and rates have The demand firm; low is to notbatter goode trfor grocery Crushed lumps Sugar; at 46s there6d to 495. is, 9s. how ever, no reduction in the value. ti MAURITIUS.—This afternoon there w of Mauritius Sugar, but privately about 2,000 noooo p bags found asl buyers at rates equal to last Friday. e ith a .E o A od sT de l tn ism an r. d e.. a — nd Th re is al a i f z t e e d rn f o u o u n t ß er e m n r g se a ;s l r at 41s 6d bags sold, good and fine white Be a t Su„e auction t i met 01,634 w s to of -r b s ro 6 w d, b d o a 9 t s e 6 y d el t l o ow 3o o 3 r . d to o t goodcoyni3oals 50 o o c 3 a 7 s 'i lls an re d a g li o z o ed d 36s to 363 6d for fair yellow. was more desire to operate FOREIGN.—To-day ing cargoes of Brown . but there are few in Foreign Sugar fur etilxhiborierat,atiaoon.l 2 1 0 8 i s 6 off i tr)ore2d2sfoir.ortlooartd sainidiegniootdhe3r.eeallto.w per(ll)fawlinte74l3,- his 1.100 bags realized 40e l a l t o f r ro t the i t v d t u b ta o , i)o t paid. cb r o , r oi ,1 auctiong.Company. a,OOO Java aro de clared The market has a quiet appearance for all only 150 hhds West India whilst s .— rates have a dow d n ia wa h r a d ve ten be d e e week l2s Gd to 16s for low to fine, only small parcels of Bengal and Mauritius have been disposed of at 12s, Cjeunbaaand Porto Rico at 153 to 153 6d per cwt. COCOA. —The home trade demand has been better for West ludia by private treaty this week, and rather higher rates are paid, rod Trinidad selling at 41s to 475, grey 3F75 to 40a and Grenada 35s to 40s. In Foreign opera tions are, however, still uponTa small scale ; Bahia and Para at 26s to 283., and Guayaquil 30s per cwt. COFFEE.—To-day there was a reluctance on the part of all parties to do business in Coffee, and rates still have a downward tendency. At auction 351 bags Na tive Ceylon were taken in at 37s to 38s, and of 164 casks Plantation a part only sold at easier rates; good mid went at 53s to 54s 6d, mid 49s to 525, other sorts 41s to 4 8s, good ord pale 383 to 40, triage 34s 6d to 375, and mid pea berry 57s 6d to 60s per cwt. TEA. —To-day the public sales of Tea went off with much dulness, and of 11,500 pkgs passed, the small quantity of 2,400 sold, nearly all green, for which the rates taken are H per lb under those previously cur rent. Scented Teas wont rather cheaper, as also did the ' small quantity of Congou that sold. The value of good ord is now 10d to lOid. Rime—To-day several parcels of East India were sold privately at full former rates, and 1,365 bags realized lOs Gd to Its for fine white, and damaged 9s to 9s 6d per cwt. SPICES.—FuII rates have been obtained for Nutmegs, and at auction 40 pkgs were sold; good brown went at 3s to 3s 4d, mid and good mid 2s 6d to 2s 10d, small 2s Id to 2s sd, and wormy 7d to is 6d per lb. The value of fine brown is 3s 5d to 3s 102, and of low to good limed is 6d to 2s 7d. Mace is wanted, and realize fully last week's rates. Atjauction 7 cases sold at 2s to 2s Id for good thirds; privately better sorts are selling at 2s 2d to 2s 7d. The limited business done in Pepper has been rather under late rates. At auction 1,929 bags Malabar were disposed of at 3 1 }d to 3Jd for good shot, whilst 1,282 bags Batavia and Pinang were taken in at 24cl for good light. Clean Sumatra can be obtained at 2-,12 to 3d per lb. White has been purchased with caution at :lid to 7id. Of African Pod 173 bags at auction were taken in at 45s for mid, but two cases fine Cayenne sold at is 9cl to is lld per lb. Although rates aro low for Cloves, dealers still operate with caution, and at auction 120 cases Bourbon and Zanzibar only realized 6d to 6d. The value of Penang is 9d to is 3d, and Am boyna 8d to 812. For Pimento the demand is on the in crease, and the parcels sold privately were at rather higher rates. At auction 263 were disposed of, good mid went at 4-0 to 4-0, low mid and mid 4-ad to 4id. Prices have again given way for Ginger suit able for home consumption, the supply being on the increase. At auction 183 pkgs Jamaica were sold, good went at 95s to 106 s, mid and good mid 70s to 90s, other sorts 62s to 685. Of 340 cases Cochin a small part only sold at 53s Gd to 55s for mid, and at 60s to 653 for good, whilst 201 bags African were taken in at 30s. The value of export East India remains at 15s to 17e, and with few buyers. Of preserved Ginger 60 es at auction were again taken in at 9d per lb. Cassia Lig nee is held with firmness at 90s to 1003, only small orders have been executed. Cassia Buds are scarce, and realize 1054 to 1103. At auction 27 cs Cassia Vera sold at 36s to 47s per cwt. In Cinnamon there is rather more trade doing, still rates remain fur Ceylon at is to 3s Gd per lb. COCHINEAL.—To-day at sale 80 begs Honduras Co chineal sold at 2s I Id to 3s 2d for low to ord, with a few mid silvers; 12 bags good Mexican silvers taken in at 2s. SALTPETRE.—To-day at auction 1,110 bgs Calcutta Saltpetre were offered, a part was withdrawn, and the remainder sold at stiff rates, mid 13i to 111 per cent refraction at 25s 6d,47 per cent 255, good 61 at 275. INDIGO.—Tic quarterly sale has been taxed for the Bth of July, and at present 9,200 chests are declared. The stock is 4,000 chests more than last year, deliveries decreased 4,400, and imports are 1,600 chts larger. Spanish dull and late rates are with difficulty supported. At auction 21 er as Guatemala sold at 23 7d to 4s 9d, and one lot low is 10d. The stock is 2,280 srns. Sistarrs.—Eas; India Rum is not offered under Is 3d proof, but there are now few buyers, and larger parcels are on oiler. Leeward Island has been (perated in with caution at Is -lid to is 53e1 proof; still holders are not disposed to piess sales. Of Demerera several parcels have been sold, but no advance ; prices ruling at is 102 to 2s 2d for 30 to 40 per cent. over proof. Fine Jamaica has been in good demand, both for home consumption and shipping, and the rates paid have been 3s 3cl to 4s 3d for 34 to 38 ever proof. For other sorts there is a dull market, with sellers of plain and mid qua lity 30 to 35 over at 2s 30 to 2s 62; good mid to good 32 to 36 over at 2s 7d to 3s 22. 'There is nu advance for Brandy. Prices are firm ; and rule for best braods of the vintage of 1850 4s 4d to 4s 6d, 1849 ditto 4s 72 to 4s 9d, lfi4B ditto 4s lld to 5s 12, 1847 ditto 5s 4d to 5s 62, older sorts 53 101 to 7s, inferior kinds 2s 6d to 33 10d, and Bordeaux 2s 2d to 2s 82. Geneva is 7d to is 8d fur ord, and fine Is 92 to OlLS.—This afternoon the quantity of Sperm Oil offered at public sale was 150 tuns, and chiefly sold; British at 791 10s to 841 ss, and Heulmatter 891; these are lower rates. TALLow.—This afternoon the public sales of New South Wales Tallow, clnsisting of 660 casks, went at lower rates; Sheep at 35s 3i to 36s 9d; 0; 33s 91 to 353 6d; 12 casks Bermuda, 31s 9d to 3-Is 3d. BANK OF ENGLAND. (From last night's Gazette.) An Account, pursuant to the Act 7th and Bth of Victoria,cap. 32 for the Week ending on Saturday, the 7th day of Juno, 1851. 188178 DEPARTMENT. Notes issued.. X •. 27, 19i,335 X. Government debt .. 11,015,100 Other securities •• • • 2,944,900 Gold coin and bullion 13,164,960 Silver bullion •• • • • 33,375 THE LONDON GAZETTE, June 13. FOREIGN-OFFICE, JUNE 12, 1851. The Queen has been pleased to approve of Mr. Jona than Binns Were as Consul-General in Australia and Van Diemen 's Land for her Majesty the Queen of Portu gal and the Algarves. The Queen has also been pleased to approve of Mr. Jonathan Binns Were 23 Consul at Melbourne, Port Philip, for the Free Hanseatic City of Hamburgh. DOWNING-STREET, JUNE 13. The Queen has been pleased to appoint Joseph Pope, Esq., to be her Majesty's Treasurer for Prince Edward CROWN-OFFICE, JUNE 11. MEMBERS RETURNED TO SERVE IN THIS PRESENT PARLIAMENT. County of Argyll—Sir Archibald Islay Campbell, of Succoth, Bart., in the room of Duncan M'Neill, Esq., who has accepted the office of one of the judges of the Supreme Court of Scotland. Combined Counties of Clackmannan and Kinross— James Johnstone, Esq., of Alva, in the room of Major- General William Morison, deceased. OFFICE OF ORDNANCE, JUNE 12. Royal Regiment of Artillery—Second Captain Ed ward Arthur Williams to be Adjutant, rico Burrows, promoted, Juno 22 ; Second Captain Herbert Winsloo Patton to be Adjutant, vice Laurence, deceased, Oct. 26. Commission by her Majesty's Commissioners of Lieu tenancy for the City of London. Regiment of Royal London Militia—Samuel Wilson, Esq., Alderman, to bo Liroitenant-Colonel, rice Lieu tenaut-Colonel William Thompson, M.P., promoted, June 10. Commission by the Lord-Lieutenant of the North Rid ing- of Yorkshire. North York Regiment of Militia—John Edward Adolphus Dolby, Gent., to be Lieutenant, vice Grillet, deceased. WHITEHALL, MAY 23. The Lord Chancellor has appointed Arthur Ransom, of Sudbury. in the county of Norfolk, Gent., to be e Master Extraordinary in the High Court of Chancery. WHITEITALL,JuNa 7. The Lord Chancellor has appointed George Co► quhoun, of Woolwich, in the county of Kent, Gent., to be a Master Extraordinary in the High Court of Chancery. WHITEHALL, JUNE 9. The Lord Chancellor has appointed Thomas Southall), of Manchester, in the county palantine of Lancaster, Gent., to be a Master Extraordinary in the High Court of Chancery. BANKRUPTS. Samuel Ratcliff, miller, Suffolk, to surrender June 19 and July 25, at one, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Whitmore, official assignee, Basinghall-street; Whishaws, Gray's Inn-square; Robinson, Hadleigh, Suffolk. Charles Moody, pork butcher, Goswell-road, Clerken well, June 19, at half-past one, and July 25, at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Cannan, official assignee, Birchin-lane, Cornhill; Smith, Stenning, and Croft, Basinghall-street. John Marten Wood, victualler, Barbican, June 25 and July 25,. at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Stans feld, official assignee; Hine and Robinson, Charterhouse square. John Walters, licensed victualler, Great Rider-street, St. James's, June 25 and July 25, at twelve, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Graham, official assignee; Dimmock and Burbey, Sutl'olk•lane, Cannon-street. John Mi!drum, builder, Oakley-terrace, Chelsea, June 24, at eleven, and July 24, at one, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Bell, official assignee, Coleman -street buildings, Moorgate-street; Turnley, Cornhill. John Latham, pianoforte manufacturer, Howland street, Fitzroy -square, June 21, at eleven, and Aug. 2, at one, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Pennell, official assignee, Guildhall-chambers, Basingball-street; Paxon, Bloomsbury -square. Thomas Fisher, pianoforte manufacturer, Tottenham - street, Tottenham-court-road, June 26, at eleven, and July 15, at two, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Groom, official assignee, Abchurch-lane; Cox, Pinners'-hall, Old Broad-street. William Clipson, builder, Chester, June 20 and July 18, at eleven, at the Liverpool District Court. Bird, official assignee, Liverpool; Hostage, Chester. Benjamin Whittaker and John Fullalove, manufac turers, Manchester, Juno 30, and July 21, at twelve, at the Manchester District Court. Fraser, official assignee, Manchester; Hitchcock, Buckley, and Tidswell, Man chester. PRICE OF SUGAR. The average price of Brown or Muscovado Sugar, com puted from returns made in the week ending June 10, 1851, exclusive of Customs Duties paid or payable thereon on the importation thereof into Great Britain : From the British possessions in America 255. 9d. per cwt From the Mauritius ... 265. 100. ~ From the East Indies ... 198. led. ~ Average price of the three foregoing de scriptions of sugar, jointly, computed as above, and exclusive of duty ... 255. 3d. „ By authority of Parliament, HENRY BICKNELL, Clerk of the Grocers' Company. Grocers'-hall, June 13. House to agree to such a motion. The effect of it would be to surrender the whole business of the House into the hands of the Government. He should oppose the Noble Lord's proposition, because he considered it very unrea sonable, as it amounted to a prohibition to private Members to proceed with the Bills which they might introduce. Sir B. HALL took the opportunity of asking Lord John Russell whether it was the intention of the Govern ment to intoduce a Bill that session with respect to the Metropolita❑ Commission of Sewers? Lord J. RUSSELL said the Government had been prevented bringing in the Bill in consequence of the delay in the progress of the Ecclesiastical Titles Bill. As to the motion, he observed that the Government were called upon now more than ever to introduce mea sures of legislation, and, besides, it was their duty to bring forward all questions relating to the supplies of the year, which now took up a much greater amount of time than formerly. After some further discussion, the gallery was cleared, but the motion was subsequently agreed to without a division. CHANCERY REFOR Lord J. RUSSELL rose to move for leave to bring in a Bill to improve the administration of justice in the Court of Chancery and the Judicial Committee of Privy Council. He said a Bill on this subject was impera tively called for by the necessity which existed to relive the Lord Chancellor of some of the duties at pre sent imposed upon him both in the Court of Chancery and the House of Lords, and after some consideration, one thing seemed certain, that it was desirable to retein the Lord Chancellor in his present political func tions, and in his position as Speaker of the House of Lords. A proposal had been made that two judges, the Master of the Rolls, and a common law judge should sit in the Court of Chancery, to take the business when the Lord Chancellor should be absent, but objections had been made to this scheme by many persons of great experience in the Court of Chan cery. Among others, he had received a letter from the late lamented Lord Cottenham, whose opinion was that the measure ought to be directed more to the relief of the Lord Chancellor himself than the Court of Chancery. One important principle which had been laid down, and on which Lord Cottenham himself had drawn up and introduced a Bill, was to separate the judicial and political functions of the Lord Chancellor, to have a Chief Judge in Chancery to sit in the Court of Chancery, and in place of the Lord Chancellor, and another to sit in the House of Lords in appeals. The objection made to that plan was that unless a judge sitting in appeals in the House of Lords were to sit at some period or other in the original court, he would not be able to preserve that ability which ho once might have possessed, and his decisions would lose that weight which attached at present to those of the Lord Chancellor sitting in appeals. Another mode would be to appoint a Vice-Chancellor to sit in the place o' the Lord Chancellor when ho was absent in the cischarge of political functions, but that was open to the charge that although the name and the authority of the Lord Chancellor might be attached to the Vice-Charehellor, yet the decisions in appeals, after all, would carry with them only the influence of thede cision of one stbordinate judge set against another. The mode which appeared to him (the Noble Lord) to pos sess the greatest advantages, and to be least open to ob jection was, that during the absence of the Lord Chancellor from his own court, two judges appointed for that espe cial purpose,to be called the Judges of the Appeal Court, should sit todecide on all cases brought before them. The only obection which he could foresee to this plan was the increased expense which would be brought upon the countre, or on the suitors' fund; but they must remember that a great object was to be gained. There could be no doubt that the amount of business disposed o' in the Court of Chancery was very great indeed. Ey a return which had been laid before the House; of Lords, it appeared that from the 2d of November ; 1850, to the 13th May, 1851, the number of cases disrosed of in all the courts was no less than 5,270. Now that was an enormous amount of business, and showed how excessive the labour of those must have been who had the disposal of it.—(Hear, hear.) Tao experience of late years had proved that when all the judges regularly attended their courts, the business that came before them could be easily got rid of; bu in case of illness overtaking any one of them, the whole machinery of the courts was checked, and the business . inmediately fell into arrear. Again, the Lord Chancelbr's attention was often called away from his judnial functions by having to attend to his political duties. Now, he proposed to provide for those contingent evils in this way :—Whenever the Lord Chancelor should be attending the House of Lords one of the judges of this new Court of Appeal should sit for hint, ant then the business would not be interrupted. He proposed besides, that in case of any one of the other Judges of the Court of Chancery, from illness or other cause, should be unable to attend his court, tie Lord Chancellor should have the power of making such an arrangement as to enable one of the Judges of the Court of Appeal to sit for him.—(Bear, hear.) The advantage of this provision was obvious, it would save the public from the annoyance of losing an accomplished judge like the late Vice-Chancellor Wigtera, through temporary illness, because the Lord Chancellor would bo in a position to supply the place of any o' the existing judges by appointing one of his own collea;ues,to sit either for three weeks or throe months, as the case might be. Another advantage of this arrangement would be this—lt would give the Lord Chancellor more time to attend to his political duties, and watch the pro gress of thole measures which might treat time to time be brought forward for amending or improving the law.—(Bear, hear.) For instance, of late, only iu this very session the Lord Chancellor had been prevented by his judicial functions from attending on the Bank ruptcy or Comity Courts' Committee in the other House, and for these reasons he thought it highly desirable that they should adept the plan he had proposed, name) of ty, appoint two ne judges, wh o s h ou ld b e called Judges he Court of Appeal, and who should exercise the functions he hag already specified. With regard to the tinanciel view cf the subject, he did not think the burden would be exeeeein g ly h eavy on the public, because he pro posed, as he stated on a former occasion, that in future the Lord Chancelloeinstead of 14,0001. a year, should receive 10,000/. a year, thereby producing a saving of 4,0001. a year, and that lie Master of the Rolls should receive 6,000 L a year instead of 7,000/., thereby saving 1,0002 a ye a r , ear, hear.) N ow, w i th respect to these wo ho new jue ges to b e appointed under this Bill,propotd that they should be placed on the same footing as the Master of the Rolls, namely, that each judge should receive 6,000/. si year, which would increase the expense on the suitors' fund by the 12,000/. a year, but then against that they must place the savin g of 5,0001., thus reducing the actual increased exper t( t o only 7,000/. a year.—(Hear, hear.) He proposed no: only that the two judges of the court of appeal shoulc be Privy Councillors, but also that three judges should hens a quorum, and in that way he thought it would not b e difficult to obtain a sufficient number of 'Ambers to attend the Committee. li e did not propose to alter the constitu tion of the court, which had worked most safely, and was looked up to with confidence. All he proposed was te give greater facility for the transaction of business. 'th e Noble L or d conc l u d ed by asking leave to bring i t t h e Bill. Mr. ST U.A.P.P asked the Nobe Lord whether at this late period of the lesion, when there was already such a pres sure of public besiness, he thought h e could bring forward a measure of lath enormous importance with any hope that it would receive a sufficient amount of considera tion to put it ato such a shape as would justify the House in passti g it into law this year? The provisions and details of the Bill were entirely new to the Heise, and would require a very great deal of deliberation. It deserved to be considered vhether the large accession of business in the Court of chancery arose from accidental circum stances, or fro m the effects of recent legislation. It would also hewell to consider whether a great portion of that business might not be conveniently, advan tageously, and properly transacted by the judges of other tfbutials, who were now complaining of a want of laciness in their respective courts. He had taken the liberty of making these observations, as he thought it vould be impossible, advanced as the ses sion now was, ,o pass a really useful and perfect measure. Mr. BETHELL was grateful for the first instalment of what had been long demanded, and not more than was needed—nameli, Chancery reform. Ho praised the wisdom of those recent a ct s of P a rliament in reference to the Court of Chancery as v e il adapted to promote the administration e of justice requir e d by the wants, the intelligence, and the wishes wishes of the people of this ccuntry. The Hon. and Member for Nevark would, no doubt, be happy to learn that another Bil had been laid, or was to be laid, before the House, to facili.ate in a still further degree the administra tion of justi ce b y rel i ev i ng th e M as t er ' s offices of the pressure whi r l at present l oa d e d their f unc tions and impeded the d te a d m i n i stra ti o n of justice. But he hoped the House weld not agree with the Honourable Member for Newark that it was too late in the session to com mence this reform. No objection could possibly be conceived in a truer skit of Chancery delay. For his own part he did not knov what other course the Noble Lord could have adopted more fitting for the purpose, or more calculated to result in a scheme in which all parties should agree, than the one he had announced. It was true that this scheme had been submitted for general consideration, but he thought there were man? Members of the House besides the Hon. and Learned Member for Newark who knew also that it had been submitted to a,arge body of men well qualified by their ex perience to fora an opinion upon it ; and the result was that the collected opiniocs of these gentlemen having been submitted to the Noble Lord at the head of the Government, the Noble Lordhad framed the measure which was about to be introduced to the consideration of the House. He did not know that any course could have been adopted more likely to lead tc a well-considered scheme than' this. They were now about to have a measure laid before them that would accomplish a point of great importance. As the Court of Chancery was at present constituted it was impossible for the courts of tie first instance in that large tribunal to go on with their bisiness if they allowed the appellate tribunal to remain loathe), as was the head of that Court and the head of the House cf Lords, with the weight of political and ju dicial duties. rhe appellate tribunal was undoubtedly a great obstruction to the whole course of Chancery business; and not only that, but the whole administration of justice was materiallyimpeded by the present state of that tribunal, beeause it was .rapossible for it to dispose of business with any regularity so long as the Lord Chancellor was taken away from it to attend in the House of Lords, and in fact to give a little bit of his time first in one place and then in another. He would just give the House one example out of many he was acquainted with of the evils which resulted from this system. In the year 1847 an important appeal was brought forward , and the House of Lords were earnestly entreated to allow the further hearing of it to stand over till the next session. The Lord Chancellor declined this, saying that he must Lear the appeal then in order that he might be able to devote a portion of the long vaca tion to the consideration of the case, with a view to its more easy progress in the ensuing Michaelmas term. That suit involved half a million of money, and the expense of getting up the hearing itself involved an outlay of no less than between 5,0061. and 6,0001. But the session of 1848 rolled away, and also that of 1849. The session of 1850 passed away too, without seeing the close of the case, and now the lamented death of the late Lord Chan cellor had obliged the parties to begin again, and the time and money spent were absolutely wasted. This case was extremely hard ; and what did the delay originate in? Why, because the Lord Chancellor was engaged in other duties, and sat in other capacities, which prevented him from going through with this case. His own brief in this case was as large as one of the " Encveloptedias Britannica."—(Hear, hear.) He would remind the house that it was important in appeals not to have them from one single mind to another. Such a system only caused dis satisfaction among the suitors. The appeal to a plurality of minds was desirable as well as important. Now the measure of the Noble Lord effected that great object. When an appeal was brought forward the suitor henceforward would have the advantage of having his suit submitted to the conside ration of two minds. There was another and a more im portant point to accomplish. It was a disgrace to observe the manner in which legal jurisdiction stood, and also the whole condition of our legislation. The jurisdiction of courts was parcelled out in an extraordinary and anomalous manner. A little bit of justice here, and a small stream of justice there, made small suitors who were in pursuit of justice at a loss whether to seek it in one province of the law or another. The greatest duty of some of the courts, and the largest expen liture of their time, was devoted to settling the boundaries of jurisdiction and its machinery. There was not at the head of the law any responsible person to control the composition of Acts of Parliament. By the present mea sure the Lord Chancellor would be enabled to attend to the duties of his court and of Parliament; the Lord Chancellor would have abundance of time to discharge those duties which belonged to him as the head of the law. He hoped eventually that the evils of the existing system, and of the mode of legislation, would be abolished. In particular, the time of judges was mostly taken up in working out the meaning of words, and of settling the intention of statutes. Thie, he hoped, would be put an end to. Although the present session might not be very profitable in respect to law reform, still he trusted that this first step towards Chancery reform would lead to others equally needed and de manded. Mr. WALPOLE agreed with his Hon. and Learned Friend as to the great propriety of considering at a future period the necessity of some other reform measures, which he had in dicated. He considered that the present Bill would give satisfaction to the House and the country. The result of the Bill would be that the judges of the Court of Chancery would have constant sittings, and that thereby the business of the courts would be kept down, and arrears not accrue. The next advantage was that a court of appeal would be made permanent, and thus all causes would be fully re-heard in a limited period. The third great point would be that the legal knowledge of the Lord Chancellor would be kept up at the same time that he was enabled to attend to his duties in the House of Lords. These were the three great points, and if the measures were so carried out as to give them due effi ciency, he should give the measure his sincere support. Mr. ELLICE, as one not learned in the law, sincerely thanked the Noble Lord for taking the initiative in Chancery reform. He specially thanked the Noble Lord for the pro mise of reform in that branch of Chancery in which the worst abuses prevailed—the Masters in Chancery offices. He was a victim in one of those courts, and could say that he saw no hope of relief during his natural life. He had been told by Mr. Leigh that cases had been hung up for ten or twenty or thirty years, in which generations of suitors had passed away while the cases were pending. When he asked Mr. Leigh whether some remedy for this enormous abuse could not be provided, Mr. Leigh answered that the eases which had occupied thirty or more years might easily have been decided in ten years.—(Hear, hear.) He had been told that the system in the Master's offices might be assimi lated to the practice, in some points, of the proceedings in the Admiralty courts and the Scottish courts. He said, on be half of the public, that the abuses in the system of the Courts of Chancery were alike disgraceful to the country as they were to the law itself. Mr. HORSMAN hoped the question of the judge's salaries would not be overlooked. Mr. R. PALDIER would say that the House and the coun try ought to acknowledge the great candour with which the Noble Lord had introduced and treated the subject. The question had not been hastily introduced; it had been under consideration for at least a year, and the pre • sent measure had been judiciously conceived. The effect of the measure would be to make these Chancery courts efficient and relieve them from those difficulties and interruptions with which they were now beset. These advantages would be attained very cheaply. The expense to which suitors were put by keeping the present courts in a state of ineffi ciency was tenfold that which it would be under judicious alterations. He should give his support to the measure. Mr. HENLEY said the country had for so long a period loudly called for reform in the Courts of Chancery, that no Government could venture to resist the appeal any longer, more especially after the question had been referred to in her Majesty's speech. He had no doubt that the measure of Government would give general satisfaction. With re spect to the allusion to a reform in the Master's offices, though very desirable, he did not see there was any foun dation for saying that immediate reform was contemplated. He was certain that the public were more anxious for a re form in the Master's offices than for Chancery reform. He was glad to hear that Government would probably take up the subject. What the country now wanted was action. Why could not suits be wound up in the Court of Chancery as they were in the Court of Bankruptcy? But once get a suit into the Master's office, and no human being could predicate how soon it would get out. He hoped this measure would not stop other and more important reforms which were equally necessary. The A TTORNEY-GENERAL said some mistake ap peared to have been made with respect to the present Bill. This Bill did not differ in principle from the former Bill. The principle of both Bills was to remedy the evil of a want of power to assist the Court of Chancery in the appellate jurisdiction. The first Bill took one judge from the courts of common law, and one from the Chancery Court. The defect of such a proceeding was felt at the time. It was stated that the Court of Chancery was not too strong in judicial force, and therefore anything that took away the Master of the Rolls from his court would be an injury to the suitors of that court, though it might be a benefit to the ap pellate court. The present Bill provided additional judicial force in the court of appeal, without diminishing the Judicial force in the other courts. The lion. Member for Newark had referred to the Winding-up Act, and the additional business it had thrown on the Masters in Chancery offices. He had a return which showed the amount of business disposed of in the Court of Chancery in the year 1841 as compared with the year ISI9. The report proved that the increase of business which had taken place could not be referred to new Acts and new business. He would instance the additional labour which had been thrown on the Lord Chancellor by stating that Lord Cottenham, with all his great powers of business, had been able to reduce the arrears of appeals from 50 or 60 to about 18. But in consequence of his illness the arrears had reached the number of 280, which fell to the lot of the present Lord Chancellor, who, were his powers of business as great as his predecessor's, would re quire a year and a half before he could get through them. It was impossible that such a state of things, as far as re garded suitors, could be suffered to continue. When, there fore, the Hon. and Learned Gentleman said wait another year, he would remind him there were widows and orphans who would be kept in suspense, and would have to sustain the consequences of the existing state of things - than which it was difficult to find a greater grievance. As to the Masters in Chancery Offices and the Bill for the Extension of the County Courts jurisdiction, the purpose of that Bill would, no doubt, be beneficial, because it would enable the Lord Chancellor to refer small suits to the county courts, and thus the Masters' offices would be relieved. They all wished to effect a complete and thorough reform in the Court of Chancery, in order that it might no longer be considered a blot in the judicial system of the country. One of the first things to be done was to relieve the Lord Chancellor from the pressure upon him. At all times the Lord Chan cellor must be the head of the court. At present it was im possible for any Chancellor to give his mind to reform. The moment a Lord Chancellor entered upon his office his time was wholly taken up with attending to his duties in the Cabinet, in the House of Lords, and in his court, and he had not a moment to give to the consideration of any reform. The present step, therefore, would not only be a benefit to the country, but would give the Court of Chancery an effec • tive head for carrying into effect the various refbrms that might be suggested. Mr. J. STUART said the Acts which he had referred as having increased the business of Chancery were those which had been passed within the last 12 years, for regulating joint-stock companies generally. Mr. E. ELLICE wished to explain that,ln what he had said he meant to cast no imputation on the diligence and care of the present Masters in Chan cer y. Sir H. WILLOUGHBY was not inclined to object to any measure which should increase the judicial power of the Court of Chancery, but regretted that no intention had been ex pressed of introducing measures founded on the reports of Committees of that House on the subject. It was satisfac tory to find all the gentlemen of the long robe in that House agreed as to the necessity of Chancery reform ; but he could assure them that the public would hardly be satisfied unless that reform was immediate. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL could not agree with the Hon. Member for Coventry as to the utter inutility of the measure on the table with reference to the Masters' office, because he believed the effect of it would be to relieve the Masters to the extent of nearly all the country business, which at present formed a considerable portion of the business of Chancery. There was on the part of the profession ;every desire to lend their assistance to effect the legal reforms de manded by the country. It must, he thought, be a great satisfaction to the Noble Lord that the Bill had met with the approbation of all the Members connected with the legal profession in that House - with, perhaps, the exception of the Hon. and Learned Member for Newark, who, though he had suggested delay, had not offered a single objection to the details of the Bill. He regretted that any Member of the legal profession should have suggested delay, when all were agreed as to the necessity of the Bill being passed as soon as possible. Mr. STUART said he had never used the word delay. He had asked for consideration.—(Oh, and laughter.) Mr. HUME hoped the House would give due consideration to the Bill without delay.—(Hear.) He believed the present system of the Court of Chancery was a tax upon the public to an amount equal to the whole of the national taxation, and that it was one of the greatest grievances in the country. The present measure was a step in the right direction, and every support should be given to the Noble Lord to enable him to carry it as speedily as possible. He did not see why the Masters should not dispose of one case before taking up another. Indeed, he thought it would be better to abolish the Masters altogether, and increase the number of judges. He hoped the Masters' offices would not be allowed to remain in their present state. The appointment of the additional judges would be true economy; but he thought that some of the common law judges might be dispensed with, inasmuch as the county court judges had relieved them of a great por tion of their duties. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL, in explanation, said that what he meant to say was, that the present number of Masters would be sufficient if the country business was trans ferred. Mr. EVANS thought that the Bill would be of little use unless the whole system was reformed. Mr. MUfLINGS thought that unless a power was given the county court judges and Masters of taking evidence and examining the parties in open court, the Bill on the table would be a failure. Lord J. RUSSELL was glad to find that the Bill had met with so general a sanction. With regard to other Chancery reforms, it was far from being a logical conclusion that no further reforms would be effected because he had proposed to introduce one Bill on the subject. The question of the Masters' offices had always been one of great difficulty, but if the one Bill be passed, probably further reforms would follow. He thanked Hon. Members for the manner in which they had received his proposal. Leave was then given to introduce both the Bills. ENNISTYMON UNION. On the order of the day being read for the House goi ng into a Committee of Supply, Sir L. O'BRIEN rose to call the attention of the House to the petition of the late guardians of the Ennistymon U n i on, and to move for the Select Committee to inquire into the causes assigned for their dismissal , and the administration of the affairs of the union. He said that he knew the board had acted in an upright and efficient manner by ner up to the moment of their dismissal. The reason signed the Cora.. missioners for dissolving them was, that they had refused out of-door relief. The general feeling was that the Commis. sioners had not acted wisely in dissolving the board of guardians. There had been expended in Clare during the last six or seven years nearly 1 ,000,0001. for the relief of the poor. For the year 1849 the expenditure was 175,0001., on a valuation of 300,0004 ; and for last year 121,0001, on a value' ion of 220,000,. It was easy to conceive that the levy ing of such an enormous poor -rate was felt severely. A clergyman who was entitled to a rent charge of 2301., had to pay out of that 1101. for poor-rates, leaving only 120/. for the support of himself and his family. The only remedy he could suggest was a reversal of the policy which had led to the discharge of the board of guardians. Those guardians had had very arduous duties to perform. It was found that if a prospect of relief was held out to the population without labour, they would avail themselves of it. It had been found that persons had applied for relief who held farms of forty acres, and that others had sent a boy with a horse and cart for their rations. Such abuses could only be checked by local administration. Certain papers had been produced on the subject; but he wished to see the correspondence that had passed between several individuals and the Com missioners in Dublin on the subject. In conclusion be would say, that what he claimed from the House was a Committee before which all the facts of the case might be laid. He might state a great deal more than he had done, but he would refer Hon. Members to the papers already in their possession; and, if the inquiry he sought for was granted, the persons who had confided their petition to him were ready to prove all the facts he had stated. Ho therefore moved, pursuant to notice, for a Select Committee to inquire in , o the case of the dismissal of the Ennistymon board of guardians, and the administration of the affcirs of that union. Sir W. SOMERVILLE felt obliged to oppose the motion for that Committee, because if' he agreed to it, it would be an admission that the Poor-law Commissioners in Ireland had improperly discharged those functions confided to them for the carrying out of the law for the relief of the poor in that country. The matter which they were then considering was, whether or not the Commissioners had properly exer cised their duty, in availing themselves of those powers which the statute confided to them, by the dismissal of the board of guardians of the Ennistymon Union. He was ready to admit all the difficulties which beset the board of that union. But it should be remembered that Parliament had imposed a responsibility upon the Poor-law Commis sioners; and the question then was, whether they had rightly exercised it. The correspondence which had taken place between the guardians and the Commissioners, and all the papers connected with the subject, were on the table of the House. So far back as August, 1843, the guardians of that union had expressed a wish to put an end to out-door relief, and at a subsequent period they had said that the re lief to be administered in their union ought to be adminis tered by paid officers. Indeed, throughout the whole of Ire land, the Ennistymon board of guardians was the only one which had been dissolved, and the only paid one now in ex istence. On an occasion of great pressure, but before the Commissioners bad proceeded to such an exercise of their power, they had recommended that until in-door relief could be provided for the poor, out-door ought not to be discon tinued. There were about 470 persons in the workhouse more than its proper number, and the Commissioners had desired that it should not be permitted to remain in such a crowded state. Indeed, they had sent many communica tions to the guardians, directly, and through their assistant Mr. Briscoe, but they were all mostly unheeded. On one occasion, they postponed the consideration of the Commis sioners' letter for a fortnight, when the condition of the union was most distressed and suffering. The Right Hon. Baronet here went through a series of letters passing between the parties, to show that the board of guardians were totally regardless of the recommendations of the Commissioners, and that it was absolutely necessary for the latter to proceed to those extremities of which they had given full notice. He contended that if ever there was a case in which the Poor law Commissioners were justified in the exercise of the power entrusted to them, that was one. If the power was not a right one to confide to any body, let Parliament take it away if they pleased—(Hear)—but as long as it existed, as long as the responsibility was thrown upon the Com missioners, they were bound to exercise it when occasion re quired. Colonel DUNNE regretted to differ from his Right lion. Friend, but he did so then chiefly for the reasons he himself had advanced. He thought it was very right that House should pass a censure upon the Commissioners, and he would, therefore, vote for the motion of his Hon. Friend. Why had the guardians been obliged to act as they had done, but be cause the country had been previously totally exhausted of its resources by the paid officers of the Government. If the Irish poor-law was a bad measure, or working badly, that was a still further reason for shaving such a Committee as was sought for, with the view of having some improvement adopted in the administration of the law. A deputation concerning the Irish poor-law had waited on the Govern ment not long since, and all its Members had been unanimous in condemning the system of out-door relief, and the power of dismissing guardians vested in the Commissioners. The Noble Lord, however, at the head of the Government did not agree with them on these two points, and that furnished another ground for the. inquiry. The Hon. and Gallant Member then entered into a defence of the conduct of the guardians, quoting statements from a correspon d ence, and insisted that they had demanded inquiry into the allega tions which some of the assistant Commissioners had made, which they denied, and that such an inquiry had been refused them. Even if the board of guardians had failed in doing their duty, the remedy was much worse than the disease. It was paid guardians who had formerly ruined the district, and they were likely to do so again. If such a system were to be acted on, the lands would be left totally uncultivated, and that was a bad way to meet a famine at any time, Mr. G. A. HAMILTON did not wish to prolong that discussion in so thin a House, and when, perhaps, they were anxious to proceed with other business; but if the Commis sioners had made a mistake he thought his Hon. Friend behind him was quite right in bringing forward hie. motion, as it was upon a subject of great importance, and one which the House should very properly take into its consideration. It should be remembered that the guardians had in reality made great exertions for the relief of distress in the union ; for while the valuation of the annual property of tho union was only 22.6441., the expendi ure there under the poor-law had amounted during the year to 22,886/. ; so that the an nual expenditure for the relief of the poor had been greater than the annual value of the property which hai been as sessed for that purpose. On the whol s however, he would suggest to his lion. Friend that it would not be advisable to divide the House on the motion. But he trusted that the notice which had been taken of the subject would induce the Commissioners to act more cautiously for the future before they resorted to so objectionable a proceeding as that which they had adopted in that instance. Mr. F. FRENCH said that in his opinion if that was a question which deserved to be brought under the considera tion of the House on an evening like that, to the interrup tion of most important public business, it must also be a question upon which the House ought to be asked to divide. He maintained that the matter was one of vital importance to Ireland. They (lid not ask for any condemnation of the course taken by the Commissioners ; they merely asked for an inquiry into the circumstances under which the Commis sioners had exercised the powers entrusted to them. And let it be remembered that those powers were of the most arbitrary and unlimited character. Parliament had passed a law by which the Commissioners could tax at will the pro perty of the country, and manage as they might think tit the whole poor-law system ; and when a complaint was made that they had exercised those great powers in an unjust and improper manner, the House of Commons ought not to refuse to inquire into that complaint. Viscount BERNARD said he thought the Commissioners might have adopted some more moderate coarse before they had taken the extreme step of dismissing the guardians. It was no wonder that the ratepayers of the union should feel extreme dissatisfaction, when they found that the adminis tration of their property was handed over to persons by whom that property had already been grossly mismanaged. He certainly thought that further inquiry ought to be made into the matter. Mr. HUME said he should confess that the Commissioners had, in his opinion, made a very extraordinary use of their powers; and it would be unjust on the part of the House o o f Cfuse ommons, by whom th ose powers had been granted, t re an inquiry into the - matter. But in the state of the House at that moment (there were not more than about 30 Members) it was manifest that the Honourable Baronet (Sir L. O'Brien) could gain nothing by pressing his motion to a division. What he would suggest was that the Noble Lord at the head of the Government should give a pledge that an inquiry should take place into the subject, and that the Hon. Baronet should then not press his motion. He (Mr. Hume) believed that the inquiry might be conducted more advantageously by two gentlemen rent over to Ireland from this country than by a Committee of the House, whose proceedings would necessarily be very dilatory and expen sive. He hoped the Noble Lord at the head of the Govern ment would have no objection to promise that the matter should undergo some investigation of that description. Lord J. RUSSELL said, that after the statement of his Right Hon. Friend (Sir W. Somerville), he could not under take to promise any inquiry into the subject. Sir L. O'BRIEN' said he feared that there would then be no use in pressing the motion to a division ; but he wished to give notice that he would again bring the subject before the House on the occasion of the discussion of the motion of which notice had been given for an inquiry into the state of r the unions in the west of Ireland. The motion was then negatived without a division. SUPPLY-- THE KAFIR WAR. The question .having been put that the Speaker should leave the chair, Mr. ADDERLEY said that he had a statement to make on the subject of the Kafir war; but he should postpone that statement until after the House should have gone into Committee, if the Noble Lord at the head of the Go vernment should think that that would be the more con venient course. Lord J. RUSSELL said 'he thought that the m e o n ie €T regular and conv en i en t course wou ld b e t h at t h e Hon. ' tleman should defer hi s s t a t ement unt il a f ter th e House should have resolved it se lf i n t o a C omm ittee. The Hon. Gentleman could bring forward no motion on the question that the Speaker should leave the chair. The House then res o l ve d i n t o a Committee of Supply; Mr. BERNAL in the chair. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, he anticipated from what bad just fallen from the Ho. nourable Gentleman opposite (Mr. Adderley) that it was probable that a discussion would arise upon the motion he was about to make, but that the discus sion would turn principally upon other points than th e mere vote for the expenses of the Kafir war. But he had only to deal with the financial part of the question, and to that he should confine the observations he prop ose d to address to the Committee. He believed he need not enter into a history of the recent events in British Rafraria. The Committee was already aware that a war was raging between us and the Kafir tribes, and that considerable ex pense must be incurred fare for the purpose of putti ng an end to that war. Border war between civilized :men and unci vilized tribes had formerly been marked by a spirit of vindictive cruelty and great barbarity. Such had been the character of our own wars in North America with se e Indian tribes, and the elieved he might add be - Africa. the • Kafirs and Dutch settlers - in Southernala- The more enlightened spirit of modern times, how ever,Africa. had put an end to that atrocious system of warfare which had formerly prevailed; but the conseqaence was that it was necessary to incur a greater expenditure than formerly in such cases. In the last Kafir war a very con sidersble outlay had been rendered inevitable in conse quence of the officers in the colony having been compelled to organize in great haste a body of men to supply the troops with provisions and 1 ammunition, and in consequence also of its havin from a g been n ecessary to convey the supplies considerable distance. But fortunately those sources of expenditure were at present removed. Ve a had obtained a landing -place at the mouth of the Buffalo River, by which we were enabled to land stores near the theatre of hostilities. And again, a complete staff of responsible officers had been organized since the last war, for superintending th e convey ance of suppli es; so that under that head also a considerable , saving of expense had taken place. When he had last ad dressed the House upon that subject, he had entertained an apprehension that the probable expense of carrying on the war would be much greater than he at present thought it likely to be. The first estimate which had been sent home by the Commissary-General at the Cape was, that the*expen diture would amount t o a b out 400,000/, foe six Worths ; and he had some time ago proposed to take a vote of 300 0001. for meeting the exigency. He had then hoped that the war might have been brought to a speedy termination; but he was afraid the ground for that hope had since very much decreased. He was happy, how ever, to be able to add that there had . been a considerable diminution in the expenditure which had been anticipated for any given period of time. In consequence of the lesson taught by the last Kafir war stringent instructions had been sent out by the Treasury in the year 1849 to the commissariat officers; a much more rigid system of accounts had been imposed on them, and a number of persons who had been trained during the last war for dealing with the commissariat service were able to render valuable assistance to the Commissary -General. In the former war a large portion of the outlay had been entrusted to persons over whom the commissariat officers bad possessed but a very slight control; and the result had been that a system of what he feared he should call jobbing had to a very con siderable e x t en t t a k en p l ace. He had been frequently asked in the House for the accounts of the last Kafir war; but the f ac t was t h at a l arge portion of them cou ld n ot be produced, because they had never been furnished. accounts of the commissariat officers had been long _ rendered, while the accounts of the local agents had lee' been audited. A much more rigid system bad since been adopted, and he was happy to say that the recent accounts received from the Commissary-General with respect to expenditure in the colony were of a very satisfectory cha racter; while Sir 11. Smith stated that he had never known t.e. troops better supplied with every article necessary for . n their since health and comfort. The expenditure in the month of January had been about 12,600/. ; and judging MX, experience which had been had up to the end of the expenditure up to the end of July would not be d r: e v e L a v than 202,0001. in addition to the 12,600/. which had spent in January. Th e total expenditure for six months.. would, therefore, f a ll f ar s h ort of the 400 000/. which bad been een the original estim a t e . O n the 15th of April there hade "coajl -15,0 men in th colony supplied with rations b 15, y th _ os miss o a o riat officers e ; and there had been about 000 . and other members of th e f am ili es o f p erso ns serving 141 the 1 „ army who had been s u ppli e d w i t h a ll owances instead " ni tions e so that the total num b er of persons for whom the ) missariat officers had had to provide had been 30,G1W io ask part _„ s did not think it would, then, be prudent on his for a less sum than the 300,0031. which he had otiginf i as .' proposed; because nobody could at present state venal " only Just the precise sum that might be wanted. It was bad re. the Commander-in-Chief to state that, although he _ gaited from the commissary that the troops should he . plied with everything they could reasonably require, n? . . • l e . heartily joined in the attempts made to prevent any ee u_u_ sce cessary expenditure. All the officers engaged in the ee _t Y r l te had pursued a similar course, and their efforts had b tended with compl e t e success. I n conclus i on h e ha d to pro pose- es to th e C omm i ttee a vote of 300,000/. towar d s defraying the expenses of the Kafir war. Mr. ADDERLEY sa id that although the Bightseed Gentleman th e Ch ance ll or of the Exchequer b a d expre the his satislact on at the redu ce d cost of the war, and at than er c fact of its being conducted in a less barbarous mann similar hostilities at former times, he (Mr. Adderley_) t' s , see very little ground for gratification on either o o t. a t t! le points. As to the smallness of the vote he should U „i n c i i that that was a mere part of the expense of a Via li wo ur7 promised to be almost interminable. The Right _ ear , able Gentleman was satisfied with the character of the and thought that it was far less barbarous than our wars with tbe Indian tribes in North America, or the witr y) twee* the Dutch a n d t h e K a fi rs. But he (Mr. Audecie system did not believe th a t e i t h er of those cases presented a ive. of warfare mo re a t roc i ous, more barbarous, or more lafi t lized than that which we were at p r esent carryiog e u rice n Kafraria. He kne w o f no h orrors in our North Ant wars, or in the wars o f th e D utch in South Africa, whichnace had exceeded the horrors which were at present beiP_go; u . petrated in that colony. Was the Right Honourable the tleman aware that the war was being carried on Y that destruction of the crops of the unfortunate natives, andbeen they, in their turn, roasted our soldiers when they them prisoners? If the Right Hon. Gentleman bad aware of thos e f acts h ow could he have stated t h a t that s h be war was less b ar b arous than those former wars to w hich had referred? H e con f essed that the speech of the tee Honourable Gentleman made him very much doubt as they course which he ought then to pursue; and he thought, t he would do well to adjourn the further consideration °f the question for a few days, in order to afford the Right "re Gentleman an opportunity of laying before them some eo , specific information upon the subject than that which eSe e ", had received from him that evening. What was the rear m why the Right Honourable Gentleman had proposed in era • vote that particul ar amount of 300,000/.? If the vote W 2s. 6d., or any o th er sum, it would be just as reasonable an exponent of the gigantic expense which must be incurlv -s the this Kafir war. Th e Ri ght Honourable Chancellor °t oo le Exchequer seemed to think that the mode in which ac tors • expenses were now incurred was much more satis_. r. than that which prevailed during the late Let it be remembered that this was the seventh Kafi r t ime for which this country had had to pay during the short ty in which she had possessed that colony. The , s latt ri t of accounts relating to the subject were at Cape 1° " - ha a d that moment, and had never left the office to which they 0 Kafir /T w e et , been sent, and were now in a heap of neglected paP ers t i,is Cape Town, and they certainly never would be seen in be country, and never would be audited on either side ot t , e d Atlantic. No one know the extent to which peculation 1 7 0 extended. But the Right Hon. Gentleman hoped th b it t fite . ; this occasion the expenses of the war would be much conducted, though he knew not on what ground. They heed three points to consider before they could properly PIV, to a vote: first, why the war had been incurred ; sec° l3 ,„e, what chance there was of the expense increasing; 'r at , thirdly. what chance there was of a recurrence. It had 1 ;4, laid down as a maxim by many colonial ministers, and bia no one more clearly, distinctly, and emphatically than Lord Grey, that every colony which had representativej t ° h vernment must bear the expense of national defence. "' tie reference to New Zealand and to other colonies, but Pat ea cularly to New Zealand, Lord Grey, in a corresponde h li e e d with the governor, said that an English colony which representative governm en t must b ear the expense of its , ° ,,./e „a internal defence. I n thi s case they knew well that Eng% must pay the wh o l e expense of the Kafir war. No one puted that. The only question was, whether they bad sni t hope of b e i ng a bl e to throw future expenditure ° this kind on the colony. If representative g overn" mint were given to the Cape the wars would cease' (The Chancellor of the Exchequer made a gesture of h— dis- sent.) The Ri g ht. N on. Gentleman doubted this, but maintained that if the colonists knew that the entire bur den of the wa r mus t f e ll on them, they would be more cautious; and the Ch ance ll or of the Exchequer ought to e the last man to call that in question. At all events thi,l country would ceas e t o bear the expense. What was called by some the b ar b arous system would recur, and the settlers themselves would, with a strong hand, seek redress for ag gression on their f ron ti ers; .and history proved that this was far more effectual than the weak efforts of a distant power. Under the present system these wars afforded the means of many making their fortunes, and as long as the system continued it was hopeless to expect them to cess_e• He had not ri sen t o express hi s own opinions, b ut merely e to give a detail e d c h ron i c l e of occurrences at the CaP d during the few months that had led to these things' an this might give some li tt l e c l ue to the prospects b e fore them. In the early part of 1850 her Majesty sent out letters patent to the governor of the Cape, authorising him, with his legislative council, to frame a representati ve constitution. Certain features were laid down, an t , full latitude was given to the governor and council tv complete the outline. When the letters patent were re ceived, the legislative council had not been assembled for two years, and it was three years from the present time since there had been any legislative council at the Cape' a The governor appeal e d t o a popu l ar election for the purf'n of filling up the vacanc i es i n t h e council, and having by i b i s means obtained his council, proceeded to frame a constitutio n. How was it that the council broke down in their task 1 The reason why the elected members resigned was probably little known. It was supposed by many who had not resa the papers which had come from the Cape, that it was upon minor differences, or upon differences relating to the form a' tion of the constitution, that they resigned. It was neithe r the one nor th e o th er. The members elected by the people were ready to take any constitution, and would willingly have taken that sketched out in the letters patent. It wa s not upon a• y diff erence between the governor and themselves that they resigned, but because the governer presented to, them, after they had begun to enter into the discussion we the new constitution, a series of bills upon other subjects 01 ordinary legislation, which led them to supposethat they had been brought into the council in order to be used as an ordi nary legislature instead of being only a Constituent As sembly. That was the sole cause of their resignation. No one who had found time to read the documents on the subject could doubt for a moment that the point at issue between the governor and the elected members was, that the latter refused to pass the estimates which had been incurred during the two previous years, the governor being afraid to meet a new Parliament without having his past ex penditure sanctioned by the Legislative Council. The four elected members who resigned having met together and drawn up a constitution a ccor di ng to their own views, which were in accordance with those of the larger part of the co lony, had sent their proposition to this country. They were the spokesmen of every municipality throughout the colony , except two, and had been authorised over and over again to speak on behalf of nine -t ent h s of the future proposed electoral body of the colony. Of this no doubt could enter the mind of any man who would take the trouble to read the papers which they had brought with them, and printed and circu lated in this country. The constitution consisted of 16 articles, as the one proposed by Sir A. Stockenstrom and Mr. Fair bairn, and these two constitutions had been sent over to this country for consideration. Upon the arrival of the first de legate he proceeded to Lord Grey, and from that time for a t I r e t T v e a four d m i s o p n a t t h e s h es his from mswer the Cape.hadb These een hadlayedu lately t t e be arrived and had been laid on the table, and they showed that as soon as Lord Grey heard the statement of facts which be r h e a p d ttm ju a s n t d s.r n d to the 'C omm i ttee h i s f i rst act was t o , Smith on t wo grounds—first, for ap pealing to popular election; and, uecondly, when those elected members had resigned for not going on with the remainder o f t h e council. Sir H. Smith defended himself on the ground that he bad no other mode of filling uP the co uncil, which he was commanded to do, and that be had appealed to the popular will on the distinct statement of Lord Grey. With respect to the other point, he said he had consulted the law officers of the colony, who gave a decided opinion that he could not legally proceed with a council reduced below its legal number. Upon receiving this answer, Lord Grey wrote back to say that he could not personally agree in opinion with the opinion of the colonial legal officers, and he thought that if he were to ask the law officers of the Crown in this country, they would give a different opinion. However, it was too late, be said, to dispute that point, and that he would therefore advise her Majesty to send out fresh instructions by which the governor would be able to carry on the ordinary affairs of the Government with the remnant of the Council. Whether her Majesty had power to issue these fresh instructions, after the letters patent of 1850, was a mat ter rather for the law officers of the Crown than for him to settle. He imagined, however, that there was considerable doubt on the point; at all events, Lord Grey seemed to be somewhat diffident about it, for he cautioned Sir 11, Smith, and said that, whether legal or not, it was not desirable that he should do more than go on with the ordinary routine of government, and that he need not proceed to consider the letters patent, but wait till a better season, when he m ight be able to fill up the number of the Legislative Council. He had given a sketch of the state of things up to the period of the latest dispatches, and the epit ome of the whole instruc tions appeared to be this—that if Sir IL Smith could not find four men in the whole colony to fill up the Legislative Council, he was to govern the colony without the aid of a single colonist. This would have been bad enough if Sir Smith had been at Cape Town, but that was not the whole extent of the grievance. Sir H. Smith was engaged in warfare far beyond the frontier altogether, where he filled two capacities, High Commissioner of Katraria and chief Co mmander-in of h er M ajesty ' s Forces. how, then, G o , ws the C governed at all? B y Mr. Montague, the notovhrnmentng Secretary. M r . M ontague governed, an d i less , and hi s government was nameless, secret, and i rresponsible. For three years there bad been no legal a p propriation of the revenue. The revenue mainly arising f rom permanent taxes had, however, been raised, bust not to a aafficiaat extent to meet the expenditure. 'X27,198,335 £27,198,335 M. Dated the 12th day of J une, 1851. MARSHALL, Chief Cashier. BANKING{ DErsannix T. Z. Proprietors'capital 14,553,000 Rest •••••• . • • • • 3,083,074 Public deposits (in cluding Exchequer, Commissioners of National Debt, Sav ings-banks, and Di- Government securi ties (including Dead Weight Annuity).. 13,544,329 Other securities 12,558,110 Notes .... . Gold and silver coin.. 638,222 vidcnd accoun,s) • . 7,4R8,615 o;her deposits —— •• 8,726,683 Seven day and other 8111 x•• •........... 1,073,309 £34,930,581 434,930,68 M. mARgriA T.% Chief Cashier. 1. Dated the 12th day of June, 185 DEATH OF ANOTHEZ SCOTCH JUDGE.—Another of the Scotch Judges, Lord Dundrennan, paid the debt of nature in Edinburgh on Tuesday night, from an attack of gout, followed by paralysis. The Learned Lord had only within a few weeks returned from the north circuit, the duties of which, owing to the death of Lord Moncrieff, devolved entirely upon himself. Lord Dundrennan, whose name was Thomas Maitland, was born in October, 1792, so that he was nearly sixty years of age at the time of his death. He was called to the bar in 1813, where he suc ceeded in gaining for himself a very eminent position, hav ing had an extensive practice, particularly in jury cases. On the promotion of Lord Ivory, in 1840, he succeeded to the office of solieitor•general, which he held until Sep tember, 1841, when the Government of Lord John Russell was succeeded by that of Sir Robert Peel. On the death of Mr. Murray, of Broughton, in 1845, he came forward as a Dun drennan is - Situate, and wa p s ate candidateeti for the representation of the Stewartry of Kirk right, in which his ernleacltedestwatiethouotf Dunoppo sition. the disposatesotY without oppositi When the Whigs returned to power in 1846, he again appointed Solicitor -General. This reu ses.% dered it nee for him to put his seat in Parliament at his constituents; but he was again elected Parlia until the be _sl ll !..he office of Solicitor -General from 1846 merit. He h en. Ile never made any figure in of 1850, when, on the death of Lord to the bench, with the title of Lord Lords hip , ever since his elevation, sat in tro J h e ue ff n r od e ur y inern h a e un t t i, l ai n s l i until the recent appointment of Lord Upiheanaber business. He gave great s C a e t l i o sf n u s e a t y i 0 d u i adsalal judge, e. i married in niece late James Ma c -1815 to Isabella Graham Macdowall, third claw% of Lord Herrnand's, dovvall, Esq., of Garthland, al collector and has left who, with four sons and two daugitsl, survives him. His Lordship was an enthusiastic h ook first choral fes- ClloNt BENEVOL ENT ND. One of the finest libraries LEN Tin FUND. place yesterday, beea taken by Lord o ti f v t a h l e of w t i h d i o s w f s un a d, ship's inability to attend, - h i in l l. consequence The chair ofw which has been r --The "histoLord eeently instituted in aid and orphans of those s ubmit)* • , j ibi n g to it, took have attend, Lord John Thyane consented to atS H t. 0 11 w ra e r , t b in u ' t s The noble chairman was supported on preside in his stead. his right by the Jean of Bangor. The dinner was att ended by 100 members of 2i of the cathedral and collegiate choirs of England and Wales, who performed in the inte rva l s of the toasts a number of madrigals and other choral piece s . u had been given, tbe "Prosperity After the usual loyal toasts Fund" was proposed in connexion of the Choir Benevolent ry. with the name o f Mr. George Gray, the provisional secretary. In replying to the toast Mr. Gray, w h o se exertions have been the principal means of bringing the fund into existence, expatiated on the great need there was for such an institu tion, owing t o th e diffi cu lty there was for members of choirs in case of to make any adequate prov i s i on f or their families death, and c it e d severa l cases b y w hi c h the distress to which they might be subject was exemplified. The donations were then a nnounced; among the principal were the Duke 0 ., _ t Bile elelich, 20/. ; M e s srs . B roa d woo d a nd Sons, 21/. ; the Dean and Chapter of Westminster, 301. and an annual dona tion of 51. fi s , • , Mr. Robert Addison, 101. The collection made at the doors of Westminster-abbey in the morning, after a choral service performed by the members of the variou4 choirs then prurient, amouted to 811. 17a, 9d. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT, HOUSE OF COMMONS, June 13. The SPEAKER took the Chair shortly before Four o'clock. NEW MEMBER. Sir A. S. CAMPBELL took ho oaths and his seat for Argyleshire. 'rho lion. Member was introduced by Sir J. Hope and Sir It. 11. Inglis. _ PRIVATE : BUSINESS. The Lords' amendments to the following Bills were considered, and agreed to:— Briton Ferry, Docks, and Railway. South Devon Railway. THIRD READINGS. The following Bills were read a third time:— Copper Miners in England Company. Dublin, Dundrurn, and Rathfarnham Railway. Great Mal% ern Improvement, Police, Sewers, Water works, Gas and Markets. Shrewsbury and Chester Railway. Waterford, iVexford, Wicklow, and Dublain Railway. The following Bills were considered and a g r ee d to an d ordered be e Cheltenham Improvement and Health, East Anglian Railways. Electric Telegraph Company. Magneto-Electric Telegraph Company. Newark-upon-Trent Irnprovernent and Market. United Kingdom Electric Telegraph Company. Tne Cnristchurch (Southwark) Parish Bill was read a second time and ordered to be committed. PE rinoNs. Mr. ANDERSON presented a petition from a Scot tish sea port, praying for the abolition of light dues. Mr. SPOONER, presented a second petition from Henry Edwards, the witness who was committed to Newgate by the House for misconduct before the St. Alban's Election Committee, praying to be released. The' Don. Member gave notice that on Monday he should move that it be printed, with the view of founding a motion upon it. Lord N tiAS presented a petition from the Chamber of Commerce at Edinburgh, praying for an alteration in the mode of levying duties on home-made spirits in bond. METROPOLITAN WATER BILL. Mr. Alderman HUMPHERY presented a petition from Southwark against the Metropolitan Water Bill, and praying to be heard against it by counsel. Mr. MO WATT presented a similar petition from the ratepayers of Marylebone. Sir G. GREY presented a petition from Finsbury in favour of the Bill. On the motion of the Right Hon. Baronet, it was ordered that it be an instruction to the Committee of Selection to refer the several Bills con nected with the supply of water to the metropolis to the same Committee to which the Metropolis Water Bill is to be referred. Mr. Alderman HUNIPBERY presented a petition from the parish of St. Olare'a also against the Bill. Sir B. HALL presented similar petitions from St. Andrew's, Holborn, and St. George the Martyr. All these petitions were ordered to be referred to the select Committee on the Bill. ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE. On the motion of Mr. C. LEWIS, it was agreed that the House at its rising should adjourn till Monday next. BRITISH MERCHANTS IN VENEZUELA. Mr. DISRAELI presented a petition from Mr. Ward, a British merchant, resident at Caraccas, complaining of the oppression of the Government of Venezuela. The petitioner stated that, after having been established at Caraccas for more than a quarter of a century he was suddenly arrested at his private residence by the Govern ment of Venezuela, and thrown into the common pri son, and there kept a prisoner for the space of twenty six days, on a groundless suspicion that he was con cerned in some revolutionary project.—(Hear, hear.) On his liberation from the common prison he was not allowed to depart from Caraccas for seven months, and the consequence was his affairs and his coffee estate went to ruin. This imprisonment was contrary to the con stitution of the country, and a violation of the law of nations. He applied to the Venezuelan Government for redress, and one of the local tribunals assessed the damages which he had sustained by the loss of his coffee estate at 35,000 dollars, but the Government had neglected to pay either that or another claim of 25,000 dollars which he had against them. He had, therefore, come over to this country and appealed to our Government to interfere, but hitherto without success, and as he had been advised by the highest legal authorities in England that his imprisonment was a direct violation of the law of nations. He prayed the House to take his case in hand and cause it to be fully investi gated. The Hon. Gentleman gave notice that on Mon day he would address a question to the Under-Secretary of the Colonies on the subject of this petition. GOVERNMENT BUSINESS. Lord J. RUSSELL moved that on the let of July next the orders of the day have precedence of notices of motion on Thursday. The Noble Lord observed that at this period of the session it was desirable that the House should •be enabled to proceed with those Bills wasvmaertbYe Members , o s which were already on the paper. Mr. DISRAELI said when the arrangement was first proposed some sessions ago the Government had a f t of f re n a i t i s s a w cr a i s fi c b e desirablemb u e t a s h s h u oe r u e wl measures of s o b f en o v t e rayv aware passed.great h Theat su ch o u s.o im p ortanc e on that .which 0 e i numberr a t"Nwi"s cheerfully agreed to the motion, notwithstanding e f o o f r the e the privilege souse th i s s independent sessi session as a prodigious would justify the Government in bringing forward this motion. He should, however,f 11 not t formally oppose the motion, though h e considered' i gerous precedent if they agreed _ wor ld be a very dan to it 48 a matter of course. ------ Mr. FRENCH observed that the Government had to propose several measures which were of very great im portance Mr. W. WILLIAMS th ought the Government were treating the lietise very unc eremoniously in asking the to Ireland. now had flg from