The Sun. — London, England, 1851-05-23 00:00:00

v (5..„ burto.v..4l2l3lttort Edmund William Reilly, livery-stable keeper, Bath, June 6, and July 7, at the Bristol District Court. Acraman, offi cial assignee, Bristol; Hellings, Bath. William George Henry Taunton, civil engineer, Liver pool, June 5 and 26, at eleven, at the Liverpool District Court. Turner, official assignee, Liverpool; Holt and Rowe, Liverpool. PRICE OF SUGAR. The average price of Brown or Muscovado Sugar, corn .' puted from returns made in the week ending May 20, 1851, exclusive of Customs Duties paid or payable thereon on the importation thereot into Great Britain : From the British possessions in America 27a. 2d. per cwt from the Mauritius ... ... 28s. iid. „ From tha East Indies ... 255. nd. „ + ver ag e price of the three foregoing de scriptions of sugar, jointly, computed as above, and exclusive of duty ... 275. 4id. „ By authority of Parliament, HENRY BICKN ELL, Clerk of the Grocers' Company. - Grocers'-hall, May 23. it .:,.. MARKET INTELLIGENCE. ,; 1 (From the London N ew P r i ce C urrent, M ay 23. ) 5 . 13.3 AR.— To-day there was a good business transacted in tie West India Sugar market, but at rather lower rates, *taking the decline for the wee k 6d t o i s per cwt. T he pur chases are 630 hhds &c.—including at auction 37 hhda 41 tiksJamaica which sold at 388 for good yellow, at 37s to 37s 6d ibr mid, low 36s to 368 6d, and good brown 358 6d. 80 hhds Trinidad, low and mid yellow 358 ad to 36s 6d, 9 hhds 35 tres 125 brls Barbadoes; low and mid yellow 36s to 30s, Rood 32s 6d to 408 6d, 185 hhds 9 tres 13 brls Grenada; raid to good yellow 37s to 395, low 36s to 361 6d, and ord to &ilia brown 33s to 35s 6d per zwt. The total purchases for the week. are 1,925 hhds, &c. -` MEFINED.—This afternoon Refined Sugar was purchased with reluctance for home trade purpose and rates are on the itaeline, brown lumps selling at 47s 64 to 48 s p er cwt . F or till sorts of crushed the market is dull. . 7 . MAURITIus.—This afternoon ther e was no pu bli c sale of Mauritius Sugar, and the imited parcels sold privately were at easier terms. EAST INDIA.—This afternoon previous rates were barely supported for Bengal Sugar, but at public sale 2,100 bags chiefly out of condition were all so ld, l ow to good mid whie Benares 38s to 4 1 s, date yellow 33 5 to 3656 d, and brown 27s 9d to 325. In Madras little was d one. ~,yor.smx.—This afternoon the private operations in Fo reagn were small, and none was offered at auction. The ten aency of prices is rather to decline. Moaassas.—Prices are firm for West India, and there is a fair business doing. Antigua at 168 to 1.75, and other sorts at 14s to 16s. Bengal and Mauritius remain dull of sale and Elan be obtained at 12a to 123 65. Of Porto Rico !Glasses )33 pans and 5 tres auction were taken ir at 16s 6d per cwt. itniey is offered at a further decline. COCOA.—There has been a further increase in the supply OE Trinidad anal dealers not baing much disposed to operate, the rates taken have been 33 to 5s per cwt under those cnr tent last week. Of 9 0 bags at auction the whole sold, ordi leyto good re d at 39 3 to 4 65, and ()Tay at 25s to 38s 6d, but _l ~,1 ? fly at 36 * t o 39 5 . Th e value of 's Granada is now 34a to a M-1 and with a dull demand. In Foreign the purchases 28s, an al trifling; Bahia and Para can be outained at 26s to , ,__ p Gus l at 30s. ` - ' ° F EE.—This afternoon the market for home trade and 'non aorta of Coffee presented a dull appearance, and former rates are supported . with difficulty. _Native Ceylon in small oparecefilssk:o23oll;ivately at 398 to 40s. Of Plantation Ceylon full value, fiti f e igs at auction were nearly all taken in at the inid went sortsanoda superior at 7is to 75s ; the small part for other of for good to fine, and at 428 fid to 523 wards for all kinds of tendency of prices is evidently down- TxA —A further redaction ction has taken place for common and goodaogrdoo?l'moi,ule,saltleth llid per lb having been ac cepted ; wer has been concluded. Other sorts are purchased with .sultan; to rather atrong blackish a there are sellers of medium kiwi., is Ad to is 7d. q ertallid to is Id, and better parcels of Oolong have been sold at easier rates. Tl: v re is till a plentiful supply of w ith sellers at a further slight reduction, yet all sorts Green, have been operated in with caution in better d offer far exceeds dealers' waats. Scented wailed qPuesknoteityTeoans are dull of sale at the previous curren a r _emend, and i RICE,—To -day Bengal Rice was 2,046 bags at auction were all sold at full r good mid white at 8s 6d to 9s 6d. Of Ata er t a te Zl mid and were withdrawn ; there were buyers at 16s. of Arrowroot 190 pkgs in part sold, Bermuda at is ld, other aorta of west t India 2d to 3d per lb. 40 barr els Ta p ioca taken in at 3d to 4id per lb. Brlcss.—To-day prices declined % d p er l b for Pepp er; k 1,031 bags at public sale sold—good clean black 2 Sumatra a t ; good light Batavia 2 3 4 d, and Penang /a per lb. Of _ ma Vera 136 chts sold at 32s 6d to 38s; loose and broken / 18 ,6 d to 333, these are lower rates. Of Pimento 9 bags went at 4 3 4 d per lb. at SPutrr s.—There has been a further decline for East India punt ssd to to 4oo ls sales are, however upon a more extended scale, and puns at 18 , 3 d to is aid proof. The rates aken be en ___ ~. 6d for proof Leewards, and purchases have business I Demerara is cheaper; but a good sorts, and sales are 300 la brn concluded in strong The amount of a 40 over proof. h hds at 2.3 to 2s 2d for 33 to sm a ll by shipper business done in Jamaica has been again sell, low and 74 quality home dealers; holders are desirous to 28 3d to 2s 7d, g 30 to 34 per cent over proof at over 2s 8d to as 3d, a n a d lid t° good 33 to 34 per cent Brandy is not cheaper, but littl fine 3s 4tl to 4s of Cognab best brands of the vintage has been done. The value per gallou. 6d, 1849 ditto 44 6d to 43 Bd,uilatage of 1850 is 4s 4d to 45 1847 ditto 5s 3d to 54 sd, inferio4y ditto 4s Rd to 4s 10d, made deaux 2s 2d to 2s 3d. In British 2s 64 to 45; and Ber- Spirit or Geneva there is no variation. • INDlGo.—Since the termination ofp:rhseoratlaome dealers toctions there has beet little desire on the part of ship operate in East India , and at former rates m erchants are pressed i a de disposed to sell; indeed, if parcels were to be e scale previous cline would be the result. Imports have been ona since last week, and the stock exceeds that of the rt a deliveriesr pg season by 2,700 c hests, whereas home and expo are less by 4,100 ch e st s . The large public sale of 1,241 rons of Guatimala Indigo will take place on Monday; th ere ' has in consequence, b eet b u t little business concludea privately s in Spanish this weak. SALTPETRE.— This afternoon Saltpetre was less in request, and prices declined 6d p er cw t. At auction 757 bag s C al _ cutta were sol&-tine 444 to 234 per cent at 27s 6d to 282, and 5 1 4 ditto at 278 for very good. COCUINEAL.—This afternoon at public sale 65 bags T ens _ riffe Cochineal were only in part sold ct 3s 4d to 33 7d, but chiefly at :33 4CI per lb. TALLow.—This afternoon the public sales of 600 casks gythiey Tallow went at 368 to 37s 3d for Sheep; O 34s to 35s 6d; 200 pkgs South Amsrican 34s to 368 9d; LO cks But India Vegetable Tallow 273 6d to 21s 6d. SUN OFFICE, Seven o'Clock. THE LONDON GAZETTE. - 7. (THIS EVENING.) FOREIGN-OFFICE, MAY 22, 1851. It p~s hereby notified that Viscount Palmerston, her Ma jesty'Principal Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, has receive from Sir Stratford Canning, her Majesty's Amt;sess dor at Constantinople, a di , patch,dated the 23d of April last, enclosing a" note verbale" or memorandum from the P orte, announcing that the blockade of the coasts and ports of Samoa has been raised by order of the Sultan. WHITEHALL, MAT 23. [The,foßowine . is substituted for the ar ti c le which appeared in the Gazette of Tuesday last, th e 20 t h i nstant.] The Queen has been pleased to appoint John Dalrymple, Esq.., ,to be Lieutenant and Sheriff Princigal of the shire of Wigton, in the room of Randolph Earl of Gllloway, resigned. WAR-OFFICE, MAY 23. Regiment of Life Guards —Cornet and Sub-Lieutenant H e nry John Townsend Stephens to be Lieutenant, by pur chase, vice Honourable Jacob Henry D. Astley, who retires; Assistant-Surgeon Thomas Tardrew, from the Ist Regiment of Life Guards, to be Surgeon, vice Abraham James Nisbet Connel, M.D., who retires upon half-pay, May 23. eiee-e . Bth Light Dragoons—Cornet Somerset John Gough Cal thorpe to be Lieutenant, by purchase, vice Davis, who re tires, May 23. 2d Regiment of Foot—Acting Assistant-Surgeon Francis Holton, M. 8., to be Assistant-Surgeon, May 23. 10th Foot—Surgeon Charles Alexander Gordon, M.D., frotrethe 57th Foot, to be Surgeon, vice Mockler, who ex changes, May 23. 14th Foot—Ensign John Barlow to be Lieutenant, by pur chase, vice Payne, who retires, May 23. 21st Foot—Captain James Hill Albouy, from the 46th Foote to be Captain, vice Dickins, who exchanges, May 23._ 45th Foot—B revet M ajor Edward Baker Bere , f rom haf_ paylsth Light Dr agoons , t o b e C apta i n , v i ce Donald Wil liam.. Tench, who exchanges; Lieutenant George William Moths"' to be Captain, by purchase, vice Bare, who retires; Ensign Robert Graham Howard to be Lieutenant, by ptir chattevice Morris, May 23. 46th Foot -Captain George Caldwell Dickins, from the 21st Foot, to be Captain, vice Albouy, who exchanges, May 23. 57th Foot—Surgeon Edward Mockler, from the_ 10th Foot, to be Surgeon, vice Gordon, who exchanges, May 23. 44 : 1?oot—Brevet Major William Mathias to be Major, by puichase vice Jones, promoted in the 2d West India liegi meii Ll ee t ena nt and AdjutantJohn_M. M. Hew e tt to be Ca plain, by purchase, vice Mathias ; Ensign George °Don • nelrt6 be Lieutenant, by purchase, vice Hewett, p romoted; Li eutena nt Charles Lambert to be Adjutant, vice Hewett, promoted, May 23. 99th Foot—L ie utenant Patrick John s t on, t o b e Captain, witliout• purchase, vice Brevet Major Nicholson, deceased, Feb..-17. tad: West India Regiment—Major Loftus Francis Jones, from the 6 - 2nd Foot, to be Lieutenant-Colonel, by purchase, vice Sedley, who retires, May 23. STAFF.—Brevet Lietenant-Colonel Edward Macarthur, on half-,pay Unattached, to be Deputy Assistant-General to the Foes serving in New South Wales, vice Brevet Lieutenant- Colonel Godfrey Charles Mundy, who resigns, May 23. `Commission by the Lord - Lieutenant of Derbyshire. William Henry Frederick Cavendish, Esq., to be Deputy Lieutenant. Conemission by her Majesty's Commissioners of Lieutenancy for Ln. Regiment of Royal London ond o Militia - Lieutenant-Colonel Witham Thompson to be Colonel, vice Colonel Sir Claudius Stephen Huffier, Bart., deceased, May 13. Coe slow by the Lord-Lieutenant of Gloucestershire and Bristol. RO,kal South Battalion of Gloucester Light Infantry Regi ment of Mili t i a —A llen Alematicier Bath wet. Gent., to 'be Ensign, May 16 ; Edward Stratton Fitzturdiege Berkeley, Geut.; to be Lieutenant, vies Fla - teker, promoted, Ley 19. . 1 WHITEHALL, MAY ;5. The Lord Chencellor has appointed William Henry Atkin son, of Blartotord, in the county of Dorset. Gent., to be a Master Extraoroiraxv in the High Court of Chancery. BAN Ii.RUPTCY SUPERSE ;ED. Theanes Bag e, publican, Aston, Warwickshire. BANKRUPTS. 71iraes'ilucks, cooper, a.irll Pond-bridge, Rotherhithe, to surrender Jane 3, at two, and July 1, at one, at the Court Bankruptcy. Edwards, ofileial assignee, SarriOrtiek cduh, Ba.singhaii-street; I.3orradaile and Dimsdale, King's Arms-yard, eluorgate street. John Bavin, draper, Wisbeech, May 31, at half-past one, and July 12, at twelve, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Pennell, official assignee, Basingleall-street ; Sole and Turner, Alder manbuty. Shatirach Edward Robert Jones, apothecary, Wreekwar dine, Shropshire, June and 2% at twelve, at the Birming ham District Court. Valpy, official assignee, Birmingham; Pdotteram, Knight, and Emmet, Birmingham. George Machin, spade and shovel manufacturer, Dudley, Worcester, June 5 and July 3, at twelve, at the Birmingham District Court. Christie, official assignee, Birmingham; Diegnain -and Hemmant, - John Wilkinson, brace manufacturer, Nottingham, June 13 and July 11, at ten, at the Birmingham District Court. Bittleston, official assignee, Nottingham ; Shilton and Son, Nottingham. LONDON ; FRIDAY EVEN ING : MAY 23, Ism. Ons.—This afternoon the public sales of 270 tuns Sperm Oil went at lower rates, and a part only sold; the best did not sell above 851; 138 casks Gingelly Oil at 281 to 301 per tun. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. (THIS EVENING.) HOUSE OF LORDS. The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat upon the Wool sack a' Five o'clock. REGISTRATION OF ASSURANCES BILL. On the motion of the day for the committal of this Bill, The LORD CHANCELLOR expressed his disap probation of certain provisions of this Bill. Lord CAMPBELL was surprised at the opposition offored to this Bill, which was founded upon the reports of the Commissions on Real Property, and which had been considered in Select Committee, and which he be lieved had in principle the support of the great majority of their Lordships. The Earl of FEVERSHAM was opposed to the Bi' e o n o s u e n ot county their title-deeds It was mh o ostuludrgbeenctaitlhedatupthoen tloanrdegedts. register r roprietors of the country s u w n o j u u l s d t. cast I t w a a g s r n ea o t t " the !) them, an and their d m w o u r u tg id ag b e e s. mo l st t attorneys alone, it was the great body of the landed pro pri tors who were opposed e to this measure of genera l registration of title-deeds. They would require a build ing as large as the Crystal Palace to hold all these registers. Lord BEAUMONT thought the course adopted by the Noble and Learned Lord on the Woolsack er as scarcely fair. The report on which the Bill was founded was pre sented to that House last year, and was referred to a se lect Committee, on which the Noble and Learned Lord sat. His only objection Was to an index of maps that was overruled. The Committee then went into Com mittee, when the Noble and Learned Lord had an opportunity cf bringing forward his objections. He did not bring forward his objections. instead of the present process the proposed measure gave the mort ga;ee . perfect security without expense. The Noble and Learned Lord never stated his objections in Com mittee, and that was the proper place for the N oble and Learned Lord to bring forward his objections, if he en tertained them. He had a great suspicion that the Noble and Learned Lord was against registration altogether, and he thought he might to rn round and oppose the measure which was ietroduced by his own colleagues in the Government. There was no intention, as the Noble Lord opposite 3 upposed, of forcing him to bring all his title-deeds to London. All he would have to do, if he wished to dispoim of his estate, would be to afford the proposed purchaser an op portunity, which under the present system he would de mand, of investigating the title; and the rellistration would enable the purchaser to dispose of the es tate with much greater facility than the Noble Lord could do under the present system. The LORD CHANCELLOR said that his r espect for their Lordships would not suffer him to pass over the imputation of unfairness, and he hoped that t!t,eir Lord ships would not judge of the general accuracy of the Noble Lord by his accuracy on this occasion. He bad attended the Committee on its second meeting, and stated that he understood that great objections existed to the scheme, but had not made up his mind, and that under standing great differences or opinion existed temeog the Commissioners, he said he thought the best pilau would be to examine the Commissioners. They were examined, and, although that examination was not concluded, be had heard sufficient to satisfy him that the pla n of maps was perfectly iripncticable. If a plan could ;be devised for rtgi3traiiou wehich could carry out the object he would suceort it. Ic was F ass to tiring iu Bala for reform, but unlesr they were well considered they were s rorse than eselets. If this Bill could facilitate the conveyance of pro perty it would be efgreat use e if not it would be a great evil. He had not attended the Committee since. lie had not use power of attending the Committee and of admi nistering justice in their Lordships' 111, - ,usq , and the Court of Chenc-ry at the same time,—(U par, hear.) "Whet did the Noble Lord mean by taxing: him with entairnets ? He bad done his best, conaisterat with the numerous and onerous duties he had to perform-- (Hetr)—to understand this Bill, and be tboought 'the the Bill required amendment. There was °Re clause which was most objectionable, and that was the clause that required a will to be registered within two years. That clause would disinherit many widows and orphans. He lied met with many persons who had been loud in their eulogies on this Bill, be',auso they were ignorant of its provisions, but when they were informed of them they changed their opinions. He was not the opponent of registration, he would be a most zealous assistant if his Noble and Learned Friend would introduce a measure that was practicable. Lord BEAUMONT explained, that in using the word unfairness he had no intention of casting arty personal imputation on the Noble and Learned Lord. He had merely meant to say that he thought if the Noble and Learned Lord had attended the Committee he might have rendered the cause of registration, of which he declared himself a friend, great service. Lord CRANWORTH had been a member of the Committee, and would explain to their Lordships what had taken place before that Committee. (LEFT SPEAKING.) HOUSE OF COMMONS. The SPEAKER. took the Chair shortly before Four o'clock. CONSIDERATION OF LORDS' AMENDMENTS. The Lords' amendments to the Shrewsbury and Bridg north Turnpike Roads Bill were considered, and passed. THIRD READINGS. The following Bills were read a third time, and passed: Birmingham Improvement. Malmesbury Turnpike Roads. Warrington and Altrincham Junction Railway. Waveney Valley Railway. CONSIDERATION OF BILLS. The following Bills were considered, and agreed to:-- Dee Standard Restoration. Great Central Gas Consumers' Company. COAL DUTIES BILL. Sir JAMES DUKE brought in the Coal Duties Bill for London, Westminster, and the adjacent counties, which was read a first time. __ PE TITIONS. _ Mr. T. O'BRIEN presented a petition from a place in Ireland against the Ecclesiastical Titles Bill. Mr. O'FLAHERTY and several other Hon. Members presented similar petitions. Mr. C. LUSHINGTON presented a petition from a Dissenting congregation in Lancashire against the Re glum Donum. Mr. GRACE presented a large number of petitions from Roscommon against the Ecclesiastical Titles Bill. Mr. W. PATTEN presented a petition from a place in Lancashire in favour of the equitable jurisdiction of county courts. Mr. BRIGHT presented several petitions from Man chester against the Regium Donum. Mr. FRE WEN pr esen t e d a petition from a place in Lancashire against Papal aggression. Mr. JOHN O'BRIEN presented a petition from the parish of St. Patrick, city of Limerick, in favour of the Towns Improvement Bill. The RECORDER presented a petition from a me tropoNion parish, praying that houses under 201. should be exempted from the house. tax. Mr. BERESFORD presented a petition from Essex against Papal aggression. The Earl of ARUNDEL and SURREY presented a large number of petitions from places in Ireland against the R Houses Biii, Sir LUCIUS O'BRIEN presented a petition from Limerick against the national system of education. Mr. C. BRUCE presented a petition from a place in Scotland against Papal aggression. ADJOURNMENT' OF THE HOUSE. On the motion of Mr. C. LEWIS, it was agreed that the House at its rising should adjourn till Monday. PETITIONS. Sir PERCY. NUGENT presented several:petitions from Ireland against the Ecclesiastical Titles Bill. Mr. REYNOLDS presented similar petitions from Dublin, Cavan, Wicklow, Tyrone, Kilkenny, Don ega l, Wexford, Fernagh, Monaghan, Down, Queen's County, Kildare, and Clare. Mr. SCULLY presented several petitions to the same effect from places in Tipperary. Mr. KEOGH presented similar petitions from Ros common, Galway, and Wexford. Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL presented a similar petition from a place in Kerry. Mr. POWER also presented similar petitions from places in the county of Kerry. Mr. GREENE presented similar petitions from pa rishes in Kilkenny. Mr. MOORE presented petitions to the same effect from Roscommon, Tyrone, Donegal, Derry, Mayo, Gal way, Antrim, and other counties in Ireland. WELCH TURNPIKES. Sir J. TYRELL moved for a return of the expenses of the general superintendence of turnpike-roads and highways in Wales.—Agreed to. CAPE OF GOOD HOPE. r•ADDERLEY asked the Under-Secretary of State forts the 07: C olones , whether the last paragraph in the ap :t h Orange le Book rii v 0 jest st presentedSovereignty , a r a n g the all f o o f r m t hae tion of th e e I l orrespondenee upon the suspended formation of the Cape c o et . fore the on e s;; which it was intended to lay be the extent to vgbior' if the House would be informed of borrowing from the 1143 Governor of the Cape was now the revenue whichcountit henglish Treasury, on the credit of might be able to rais m? he could sat7dserve under h get a Legislative Lord J. RUSSELL l looked at fhe votes he would l the Ho n . M em b er had papers—one set relating t o the &heave seen two se t s o f and the other to the Cape constitutinoge river sovere i gnty, ber had evidently adverted to one rlje The Hon. Mem looking at the votes and learnin g t h e t em instead of (Lord John Russell) believed that one set _ nature. H e had bee livered, and that the other would be delivered ' n de. or two, it having, taken more time to p repare. mitae didda not very well know what the Honourable Gentleman meant by his last question. Sir Harry Smith had been, as the House ryas well aware, endeavouring to protect the British subjects in Kafararia from the at tacks and murders which had lately overwhelmed them. He was now fully employ ed on that duty, and he did not think it would be desirable to embarrass him by stating anything in the House which was calculated to have that effect. -lilt% ADDEELEY wished to know whether the acY paid for current expenses above the amount of _ the revenue received by the Governor would be borne by the En,7lish T ? Treasury Lord J - ' J. RUbz, ELL said he would make inquiry. but he was not aware of any sums being expended beyond the revenue. EP ISCOPAL REVENUES. Sir B. BAL L wished to know when the returns SUN, respecting episcopal revenues would be laid on the table? Sir G. GREY said a return of the incomes of arch bishops and bishops had been presented to the House to-day. ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE. Mr. BRIGHT complained that the motion for the adjournment of the House had been moved for at the unusual time of ten minutes past four. Now, it had been the practice hitherto to ask important questions of Government upon that motion being made, which were of great interest to the public, and it was therefore only right that the metion for the adjournment should be delayed until such time as the mejority of Hon. Members are present. He asked the Speaker whether it was not more consistent with the practice, if it was not indeed a rule of the House, that the motion should be made after the time alloted to private business had expired. The SPEAKER said there was no rule of the nOll4O on the matter, and the motion could be made at any time. If the motion were to be taken advantage of for the purpose of raising discussions on different topics, it would lead to great inconvenience, and practically destroy the rule which gave orders the precedence over motions. Mr. BRIGHT repeated that it would have been more straightforward had the adjournment been moved at a later period. The matter then dropped. MINISTERS MONEY IN IRELAND. Mr. REYNOLDS wished to know when the Noble Lord at the head of the Government intended to fulfil his promise to bring in a Bill for the abolition of mi nisters' money in Ireland. Lord J. RUSSELL said the discussion on the Eccle siastical Titles Bill had taken up so much time, that he was afraid he should not be able to introduce the Bill this session. Mr. REYNOLDS gave notice then that he would take an early opportunity of calling the attention of the House to evidence taken before the Select Committee on ministers' money in Ireland, with the view of intro ducing a Bill for its abolition. ROCHESTER CATHEDRAL. Mr. MO WATT wished to know if' the Right Hon. Secretary for the Home Department had any objection to produce the correspondence which had taken place between the Ecclesiastical Commissioners and the Dean and Chapter of Rochester Cathedral, on the subject of the trusts of that Cathedral? Sir G. GREY said that not knowing anything of this subject, he had made inquiry from the Ecclesiastical Commissioners, and found that the correspondence con sisted merely of communications which had been re ceived from the Rev. Mr. Whiston on the subject, and answers to him merely acknowledging the receipt of his letters, and as legal proceedings were pending he did not think it desirable to produce these at present. Mr. MO WATT said that no legal proceedings were at present pending, and consequently the answer of the Right Honourable Baronet was not a sufficient one; he should, however, give notice that on the first occasion of going into Committee he would. take that opportu nity of bringing the case before the attention of the House. Mr. HORSMAN wished to know whether the Right Hon. Baronet was aware that the clerk to the chapter had written a letter to the Ecclesiastical Commission, expressing his readiness to have all the correspondence on the subject published. Sir G. GREY said he had no knowledge of any such letter, and he believed he had stated the substance of all he knew to the House. MON TE VIDEO. Mr. ROEBUCK gave notice that on Monday he should ask a question of the Noble Lord at the bead of the Fo. reegn Department wilh regard to Monte Video and the loan granted to that country. ECC,'LESIASIICAL TITLES BILL. The House then went into Committee on this Bill, Mr. Bernal in the Chair. 0.1 clause 1, Mr. THOMAS DUNCOMBE rose to move that the clause be postponed, until the House its in possession of a copy of the brief, reecript, or letters apostolioel upon which the enactment in tho said clause is founded. Whatever, he said, was the difference existing among them on this question, it was allowed that they had now obtained the Bill to which the Government had pledged themselves to abide. This, ho w. ever, was far from being the Bill which they had read a first and second time. There was a great deal of new matter, and particularly the first clause, which he was about to ask them to postpone. That clause made mention of the letter or rescript from the see of Rome and he thought they ought to have this rescript before them before they consented to deprive many millions of their fellow subjects conferred upon them by the Emancipation Act. He had taken the liberty of asking the Noble Lord to produce this brief before, but he had been answered by being told that it was a matter of notoriety contained in every news paper. Were they, however, to legislate on news paper information? Supposing, for instance, a Bill had been brought in to banish M. Mazzini and his companions merely on the ground of the article which had lately appeared in the Times newspaper respecting him, and which after all turned out to be a mere hoax. What would they say then to to legislating on newspaper information. He wanted to know, then, why these letters apostolieal would not also prove a mere hoax.—(Laughter.) He denied, however, that this letter signed by Cardinal Lambrochini when produced would be found to confer any power or titles at all, it mentioned no man's name, and conferred no titles, and yet their Bill was to prevent the assumption of certain ecclesiastical. The rescript gave no titles, and therefore he thought the Noble Lord himself was bound to produce his authority for these titles ever having been conferred. Whencvcr a Railway or a Divorce Bill was introduced into that House; the parties were obliged to prove their preambles, and he would call now upon the Noble Lord to prove his preamble. The Solicitor-General had paid him a compliment the other night at the expense of the Honourable Member for Athlone, by :saying that his demand for the rescript was cer tainly just the sort of question which a man of common sense would ask on the first clause being considered, but the Solicitor.Geueral seemed the most useful man he had met with for some time, and he congratulated the Government on their acquisition.—(" Hear, hear," from Lord John Russell.) The Noble Lord cheered that, and he supposed, then, the Solicitor-General was just the sort of man that they wanted. He had said, too, that he was perfectly ready utterly ;to demolish every argument which had been or could be brought against the Bill.—(Cries of " Hear, hear.") Well, then, he thought the time was come for this demolition, and they would call upon the Solicitor-General to perform his promise. There certainly were not many lawyers on the other side, although when he saw the Hon. and Learned Members fur Sheffield, Athlone, and Plymouth, he would find rather tough materials to deal with. The Attorney-General however had said but little about the Bill, and to do him justice seemed to care less. Now, he asked, was it worth while going on with this Bill and wasting the time of the House; had they not better proceed with the business of the country ?—(Llear.) He saw there were three or four amendments on the paper, but be knew there was double that number in reserve, and would it not he better, under these circumstances, for the Noble Lerd to make the Bill a present to the other side—(A laugh.) Depend upon it the Noble Lord was pursuing a phantom; he was intentionally becoming the advocate of principles which neither became him nor belonged to him. Then why would he still pereist in going en with the Bill—why was he not satisfied with the bigotry which he had evoked, with the laurels which (Went had pre pared for him, and with the commotion which he had created from one end of the kingdom to the other?—(Cheers.) If he was still not satisfied, and was determined to go on, all he asked him to do was at all events to furnish the House with a copy of the documents on which he pro ceeded.---(Hear, hear.) They were not only in sulting the creed of our Roman Catholic subjects and degrading the priesthood, but proceeding on false principles and in the dark.—(Hear, hear.) The SOLICITOR -GENERAL said he was much obliged to the Honourable Member for his amusing speech, but while he gave him credit for his ready wit, and the many other qualities he possessed, he was sorry that, in the interval between Monday and Friday, his memory had so seriously failed him. He considered [that no course would be more derogatory to the House than to take evidence that certain parties had assumed the title of Archbishdp and Bishop for pretended sees under the au thority purporting to be given by the Pope, after the circumstances which have lately become so notorious. The Hon. Member had said there would be great diffi culty in indicting a person under the Act without producing the rescript of the Pope. Now for the satisfaction of those who thought the Bill ought to pass, he gave his opinion, as a lawyer, that it would be effec tual, and that he had not the slightest doubt that, under it, any person who assumed such titles might be con victed without the production of thatdccument.—(Hear.) The Hon. Member also said the Noble Lord had taken a fatal step, that he had departed from those high prin ciples which distinguished the illustrious statesman who brought forward the Bill for Catholic Emancipation, but he (the Solicitor-Ge nera l ) would venture to state that not only th e Noble Lord, but the party with whom he was connected We re the parties who distinguished themselves in endeavour ing to remove those restrictions which pressed on the Roman Catholics long before the period wh en that lamented statesman passed his Bill. (Cheers.) and it was becau s e the principles of that Bill had been grossly invaded by the gross arrogance of that man who dared again to attempt to raise what he called spiritual supremacy, but which was i n again a h r a t c m e ; o s it despotic was b ee asupsie rf a i t e u t a l a n c o a n tt t e r o t v o e over a s h e e he had endeavoured to violate the princi ples of civil and religious liberty, as in the case of Sardinia and elsewhere, and to exercise a spiritual tyranny over the people, that he asked the House to give its hearty concurrence and as sent to the Bill which he trusted would be passed. Mr. ROEBUCK said he would not follow the grandi loquence of the lion. and Learned Gentleman. t l thiz t oa w tri a tt s yh h e h o i ft o i p ttih i e n e ions that if there was any meaning in this first clause was wholly useless, because before they could convict a man under this Bill it must be proved assumed ß ul Bull referred f e w r r a e s d be done. Efoirtht e sb n u d ry to w t e h r e e no , _ proved if thethel. Now a t i how was that to be suggestion of the Hon, sive as to put a i n n this Bill was utt 4 er tt l ao y kep u inn sel tu e h S n s ed o eßr r so eaten- Ireland. 'I he ATTORNEY -GENE Roman at Catholic o te d It co religion uld in RAL said there would be no necessity to adduce the proof which the lion. and Learned Member referred to, and that was his answer to the objections which had j u st been addressed to the aottunitto. Any offence to be omp • 1 41ttad against this Bill would come under the second clause, and ail that would have to be proved was simply that the offender had assumed a title which the Bill prohibited. From what were those prohibited titles? Why, simply, those that were named after the existing sees in cities of this country; and therefore no priest of the Roman Catholic Church would be precluded from adopting a title taken from a f r , ign see. Mr. ROEBUCK thought the Hen. and Learned At torney- General had proved his case, and that was no less and no more than the first clause of this Bill was wholly useless and unnecessary. Mr. WALPOLD wished to know if they mere to dis cuss the merits of the clause or that of the Hon. Mem ber for Finsbury? For his part, he thought they ought to confine themselves, in the first instance, to the latter question. Ought the brief of the Pope to be produced? The Honourable Member for Finsbury founded his motion upon the circumstance that there was no evidence that any such brief had ever been received in this country. Now was that the way their ancestors proceeded on similar emergencies ? No, they did not require strict legal proof which the Honourable Member demanded to-day, but they based their legislation upon what in the Saxon tongue was known as common clamour— (Ironical '.Boers)—but which when translated upon modern phraseology meant public notoriety. The receipt of the Pope's bull was too noforious to re quire legal proof, and he therefore called upon the Com mittee to reject this proposition. Mr. KEOGH rose and was (LEFT SPEAKING.) BANK OF ENGLAND. (From this night's Gazette.) Andecount, pursuant to the Act 7th and Bth of Victoria ,cap . 32 for the Week ending on Saturday, the 17th day of May, 1851, 185 Ta DEPARTMENT. X. Notes issued— •..... 26,705,095 X. Government debt .. 11,015,100 Other securities .. . • 2,984,900 Gold coin and bullion 12,671,720 Silver bullion • • • • • • 33,375 X 26,705,095 I X 26,705,05 M. MARSHALL, Chief Cashier. Dated the 22d day of May, 1851, BANKING , EPAZTAIISN T. X. - Proprietors'capital.. 14,553,000 Rest . •• 3,139,966 Public deposits (in elm:ling Exchequer, Commissioners of National Debt, Say ings -banks, and DI . vidend accounts).. 6,017,417 Other deposits ...... 8,911,477 Seven day and other •• .• 1,077,188 Government securi t. - ties (including Dead Weight Annuity) .. I 3,590.9 g g Other securities • • 1 idig7,695 N o t es .. ••• • • • 7,1579,520 Gold and silver ooin•. E 51,825 £33,709,528 X 33,709,528 MARSHALL, Chief Cashier. Dated the 22d day of May, 1851' COURSE OF EXCHJ Amster uarn •• • • 11 16!., Ditt.o, three months.. 11 18% Rotterdam .... ••.. •• 11 18 1 X, Antwerp.....,„„,,..25 25 Brassels • • • • 25 25 Flarr.t.urgh .. •. • • M.B. 13 8 iltona ..... ......... nirle, 3 days'erght .. 25 5 Ditto, 3 months 25 25 Marseilles 25 25 80urdeaux......... • Fret.nlrfort on Maine.... 119 Vienna, ciTee. du...—. 12 59 Trieste, ditto.... • • .... 12 50 Petersburg/3, gll. Rble 37 Madrid 50 ,':ull2 .• • . 5C1.1 Barcelona ............ kNG - E.-(THIS DAY.) Leghorn .....• •••• .. •• 30 4734 lenoa ........... 25 35 Milan .• •••• • • • • . •• •• Yapies .• •• • • • • • • • • •• Palermo, peroz • • •• •• •• &retsina •• • . .• • • itio Janeiro • • Buenos Ayres••• •—• • New York, 60 days'sight Philadelphia •..... PRICES OP BIILLION, PER OZ• foreign Gehl in bars.. 43 17 9 Porti•gal Goiel C3ln •• U 0 0 3panish Doubloons 0 0 0 'dew Dollars .... •• 0 4 11% -Myer in b irs ....•• 0 5 1% 41% 124 ;244 53% 53% SECONDARIEs'.—(THIS DAY.) (Before Mr. Secondary POTTER.) WAT3',N AND ANOTHER V. KIAMPT,'N. Plaintiffs in this action are hop merccants in the Bo rough. Defendant is a brewer and innkeeper at Cot tenham, near Carebrige. The action was brought to reme.er the surd of 21,, the alleged balance of an account. Mr. PARNELL appeared us counsel for the defendant, who pleaded the general issue. The facts of the case were somewhat extraordinary. It appeared that in February and March, 1849, defendant gave an order to Mr. C. Hubbard, who was then the plaintiffs' traveller, for hops, which were duly forwarded with au invoice for 12/. ss. 63., which was subsequently paid to Mr. Hubbard and accounted for in due course, and further orders were given to the extent of 221. odd, which was paid. In January, 1850, however, plaintiffs wrote, requesting payment of the latter sum, but subsequently admitted that it was an error, and that the mon e y h a d b een d u l y paid and r ece i ved by them; but subsequently they wrote to say that there had been an error in the first invoice, and it ought to have been for 14L ss. 6d. Defendant refused to pay the difference. Witnesses were called, and only a portion of the plaintiffs books produced. Mr. Hubbell proved the orders given, and that he had received the amount of the invoices, which had been accounted for, and not denied by the plaintiffs. Mr. PARNEI L thought this was a most unjust and oppressive actim. It would be so even had there been an error; for after two years vouchers might have been destroyed or lost, especially after subsequent accounts had been settled. The error, if any, was clearly through the clumsy wile in which the plaintiffs kept their books. It wile clear they had not courage to put in the whole of the books, and even the one they did put in bad erasures. The Learned SECONDARY left it to the jury whether there had been any mistake. If there had, and defen dant had not suffered any injury, perhaps the jury would think that plaintiffs were entitled to recover; but, on the other hand, although there might have been a mistake, if the defendant had been, or likely to have been a loser by selling on the invoice price, then the verdict ought to be for the defendant. No doubt defen dant thought the charges low, and gave further orders, and as hops fell so did the beer. The plaintiffs' books appeared to have been very inaccurately kept, and the jury ought not to place any very great reliance upon them against the oth er ev id ence. The Jury, after a brief consultation, gave a verdic for the defendant. NAVAL IN TELLIGENCE:-- Commodore Arthur Fanshawe, C. 8., in the Centaur, 6, steam-frigate, Acting Captain Patten, may be daily expected at Spithead from the Coast of Africa; Com modore Bruce, in the Penelope steam-frigate, Captain Lyster, having relieved him as Commander of the station. Asia, 84, Captain R. F. Stopford, is stripped at Ports mouth, and will be paid off on Saturday. Avon steam-tender, M. Veitcb, second master com manding, arrived at Devonport on Wednesday from Sheerness and Portsmouth. She then filled up with coals, took in provisions, and sailed in the evening for Queenstown, whore she will remain for some weeks, under the orders of Rear -Admiral Dixon. The old Fast Indiaman, the Herefordshire freight ship, of 1,400 tons, belonging to Messr s . Fer guson and Moor e , arr i ved at Spithad on Wednesday, and vras towed into harbour alongside the yard jetty 3 esterday morning. She is by far the best fitted ship for troops we have ever seen. Both troop decks are ,iry su.ci spacious. The infirmary and the part for the use of the women are very complete and commodious. The moldiers sleep in hammocks, which adds greatly to their cleanliness and comfort. She is to take the 13th liegiqiect and one company of the 44th to Gibraltar. Fiotn Gibraltar she takes the weal route to the We,t tlalifex, and home. We understand the 13th are expect d to embark on Saturday next. PORTSMOUTH, THURSDAY.—Taii morning the Fairy steam-yeeht, Captain Lord Adolphus Fitzrilarence, embarked the four youngest members of the royal family at the Clarence-yard under the usual cere 1113Lies, and proceeded with them to Osborne. On the embarkation of the royal children the special train, in charge of Mr. Stovin, manager of the South-Wistern Railway, returned with the utmost speed to London to receive the Queen and Court. In two hours the journey was performed, and at 2.40 P. 31. the royal train again started from Nine Elms with the Queen, Prince Albert, the Prince of Wales, and Princess Royal, the Prince and Princess of Prussia, the Duke and Duchess of Saxe-Co- Wig, the Duke of Mecklenburgh, and a brilliant suite, anc attended by Colonel Reid, of the 2d Life Guards, M.P. for Windsor (one of the directors of the South- Western Railway Company), Mr. Stovin, Mr. Beattie, Mr. Stevens, &0., and arrived in the Clarence-yard at 4.4: this afternoon, where they were received by the naval and military authorities as usual on such occasions. The Fairy embarked the royal cortege and left with theca for Osborne, the ships in the harbour and the Go vereolo, Sardinian steam-sloop, manning yards and sa lutirg, as did the Hogue, Ajax, and the Turkish sloop at Spitieacr. The Herefordshire troop-ship, in harbour, also manned her rigging. Her Majesty will return to town on Monday morning next. Hir Royal Highness the Duchess of Kent will arrive at Gisport en route to Osborne to-morrow afternoon and return on Monday. Rear-Admiral Prescott, C. 8., proceeded on leave o absence yesterday, and struck his flag on board the Bri tannh. Tto Governolo, Sardinian steam•sloop, arrived yester day, Ind came into harbour from Woolwich. DEATH OF COLONEL MITCHELL, ROYAL MARINES. — WtOLIVICII, MAY 22.—Colonel Hugh Mitchell, Second Colosel Commandant of the Woolwich Division of Royal Mariies, died at five o'clock A.m. to-day, at his residence in the Loyal Marine Barracks, after a very short illness. The Gallini Officer entered as Second Lieutenant in the Royal Marius on July 9, 1803 ; was promoted to First Lieutenant on August 15, 1805; Captain, July 31, 1826; Brevet-Major, Novunber 3.1841; Lieutenant-Colonel, July 10, 184; and on ha promotion to Colonel, on February 28, 1851, was re moved from the Plymouth Division, and appointed Second Commandant of the Woolwich Division. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. ROUSE OF COMMONS, May 22. SECULAR EDUCATION. Mr. W. J. FOX then rose, pursuant to notice, to move that it was expedient to promote the education of the people, in England and Wales, by the establishment of free schools for secular instruction, to be supported by local rates, and managed by comm i t t ees , e l ecte d speeially for that purpose by the ratepayers. Be said he rose with some encouragement to make this proposi tion, because, at the recent anniversary of the British turd Foreign School Society, the Noble Lord at the head of the Government, who presided over the meeting, ex ressed his conviction that the present was a fitting time for making additional efforts to promote the educa ton of the I,eople. The proposition, therefore, that le was now making. to the House was not in its object ill-tunad. lie did not, however, think the Noble Lord's , language was sufficient to warrant him in expecting that the Noble Lord would honour this motion with his sup port, but it did warrant him in expecting _that it would be received in no obstructive spirit by the Government. He thought this was peculiary the time when efforts for education were necessary, because passing events were such es to make them sensible of the position of their country in this particular. In almost every department, military, constitutional, and literary, there was room for self-congratulation, but on this one of education, it was not a question whether England was first among the nations, but ninth, tenth, or twelfth. If they looked, too, at their own internal condition—at the mass of pauperism and crime which existed among them, they would also see what necessity there was for an educa tional movement. They heard a great deal of the over -crowded state of the labour-market, but if they looked at the report of the inspectors they would find that in many districts, while there was a super fluity of uneducated labour, there was a great deficiency of that which required skill and education. The constitution of the country supposed knowledge and education in all subjects, and called upon all citizens to discharge duties which could not be discharged by un educated men. The means now pursued for the promo tion of education were not sufficient to carry out a system of education sufficient for the wants of the peo ple. Tie prove this, ho would rely only on the reports of the Government Inspectors themselves; all of which were nothing more than a continued illustration of the necessity of some measure being introduced for the compulsory adoption of a general system of education. He did not mean to charge the Committee with inten tional partiality, but apparent and inevitable partiality was inherent in the system. There was another point ' which gave the appearance of partiality to the adminis tration of these grents. OF nil the school inspectors ap poirred there were only three who did not belong to one profession, and that was the Church. There was also another show of partiality induced by the in structions which the Committee of Council laid down in regard to the be±towment of grants. Money was given, not in proportion to the educational wants of a district or locality, but the amount of volun tary subscriptions which were collected for the purposes of education. He found that an application for a grant was refused, because no particular religious education was given in the school, yet in many schools of this description, a more sound and really moral and religious education was afforded than in many establishments professing to be of a higher character. In rural districts the greatest difficulties had to be encountered in the formation of charitable schools, and the owners and occupiers of land contributed very trifling sums towards the funds required for the purpose. Hence the necessity became apparent for the interposition of the Government to make all classes pay in proportion to their means to the education of the people. Another reason why the present system could not accomplish the purposes of a national education was, that a religious difficulty stood in tho way, and that 'people refused to pay for that which did not aeree with their religious tenets. The Hon. Member then quoted passages from the reports of Mr. Kennedy and other school inspectors, for the purpose of showing the neces sity of some measure being devised for the extension of a wise and enlightened system of secular education. The inspectors did not speak merely from the condition ot the great bulk of the schools actually in exigence; their impressions were derived from the best class of schools, and they had seen these schools in their best condition. We need look no further than this itnpor tent fact, however, that the schools actually existing were twice as large as was necessary for the accommo dation of the children who attended them. In the gene ral return of the schools aided by Government grants, amounting to 3,255 schools, it was stated that the ac commodation for children was adequate to 539,000, hut that the average daily attendance wes only 246,979. With regard to the administration of the Government grant, too, in his opinion there had been very consider able partiality exhibited—not an intentional but an in evitable partiality—which was inherent in the system, and which could not but indispose a great portion of the people to giving their cordial co-operation in carrying out that system. Now it could not be doubted that the British and Foreign School l-ociety had effected much good throughout the country; but what figure did it cut in the grant for public education? In the year 1840, when the public grant was only 60,000/. the amounts granuol to the National Church Schools and the British and Foreign Schools were about equal; being 5,2461. to the one, and 4,220/. to the other. In the next year the grant was increased, and the disparity showed itself. The Church Schools received 13,197/., and the British and Fo reign Schools only 10,945/. In 1849 the disparity became extraordinary, and the Church Schools obtained 39,574/. out of the public grant, and the British and Foreign Schools only 3,3501. ; end last year the public money applied to Church Schools was 24,7204, while that to the British and Foreign Schools was only 386/. Now he did not complain of intentional partiality in the distri bution of the grant. He believed the discrepancy was in separable from the fact that the religious difficulty, and other difficulties incidental to education, had thrown the British and Foreign Society back in its claims on the public funds. But could it be said that this disparity represented the relative position, labour, and usefulness of those two great societies? And was not an injurious effect necessarily produced thereby on the public mind? But whatever was the cause, there was the result. Another point in which the present system exhibited partiality, though it was not intentional, was, that of all the inspectors appointed, there were but three who did not belong to the Established Church; and these three were absolutely requisite —one for the British and Fo reign, one for the Wesleyan, and ono for the Roman Catholic schools. Another appearance of partiality was produced by the restrictions laid down by the Privy Council in the bestowal of grents. It gave the least help where most was needed. It gave in proportion, not to the educational wants of a locality, but to the amount of the voluntary subscriptions raised in that locality. Another partiality, which had au injurious tendency in certain lo calities, was this—poorratepayers in the rural districts did not look with complacency at finding themselves rated to give an education to pauper children, which they were unable to bestow upon their own children—(Hear)—and it was stated in the third annual report for 1850 that the high standard of workhouse education was fast ceasing to be exceptional. But the worst of the partial results of the existing system was the inequality with which the support of schools pressed upon the different classes, and especially upon the clergy. The Hon. Gentleman here read the list of subscribers to one vil lage school, from which it appeared that to raise the sum of 281., the expense of that school for one year, six landlords and farmers subscribed ss. a piece, the princi pal landowner in the parish three guineas, a friend of the rector 5/., and the poor rector himself l 7s. 10s.— (Hear, hear.) Surely a state of things like that showed the absolute necessity for the intervention of Govern ment, so far as to call upon every man to pay according to his means. There was an aversion in persons to pay towards the support of that which did not agree with their theological opinions, and yet the present system, in a strange manner, whilst giving a stern denial to merely secular education, patronised every kind and species of theology, applied the public money to any creed, patronised error as regularly as truth, and seemed to rest on the conviction that there was some evil in mere instruction which might be rectified even by a bad theology.—(fletir, hear.) The British and Foreign Schwds Society bad us exclusive a creed as the National School Society themselves. And where, he asked, was the wisdom, the justice, or the propriety of calling upon Protestants to supply funds for the support of schools in which they had been told Madonnas were wor shipped by the children, and which schools were em ployed in the promulgation of that to which the country tack the must violent exception?—(Hear, hear.) Every one heel now to pay for something which he dis believed, and he in turn became the occasion of taxation upon others for that which he believed aid they did not believe. When he mentioned an educational rate, he trusted it would not seem to be an enterprise involved in expense which a flatten like this ought to gruage. The beet calculation which had been made proved that in the county of Lancaster twopence in the pound would be sufficient for the erection of all the schools which might be required for the whole of the children of that county, and he believed we were paying directly as much now as we need pay for a complete system of national edu cation. But we could not do better than take the expe rience of America upon this matter. He held in his hand a report signed by Mr. Henry Barnard, a com missioner appointed by Rhode Island in 1846, to com pare the different modes of public education throughout the various states of the Union. And he stated in re ference to places where the system had been carried out to completion, that whilst it gave a good education it had diminished the expense ot both public and private instruction. Tho resolution which he (Mr. Fox) now submitted to the House asserted the desirableness of local government as well as of local taxation for the support of these schools; and he believed that by this means facilities would be given for preventing some of the evils which were frequently anticipated as connected with the introduction of a new system. Ho was desirous of effect ing the separation of secular and theological instruction; but it should be recollected that the separation or anni hilation of either of these modes was a totally different thing. What he wished was that the schoolmaster should fulfil his work of secular instruction, and thus prepare and expand the mind for that religious training which then the minister of the chapel or the clergyman of the parish might bestow, and which he only could bestow with efficiency. Religion required an intellectual atmos phere, and other faculties were to bo trained besides those which were to be exercised in the reception of re ligious truths and principles; and therefore the advo cates of secular instruction were, in fact, rendering much more important service towards a religious education than were those who made the appearance of the one the sole object of their instruction, and threw the other into comparative disregard. He contended, then, that they were bound to separate secular and religious in struction, or, without it, there was no chance whatever of a general education in this country. They could produce no combination but upon this system. And was it wholesome that chil dren should be trained up from their earliest youth within-the lines of sectarian demarcation? Was it no good to them in after life to look back to fellows—to remember the impressions which made, and to have some better opinion of those who dif fered have if the they them had upon beta keptreligious couldthewirersechtrein oue t a mixed religious or coherence in the present system of separate prints, and a t p h a a r n t on tthey a y e of their religious differences? There was n . o connexion ear the ndsecAultabraninasstirauu Creed instruction, "rha witht ffi the multiplication tabl e , . had the Apostles' for instance? Why, they were treated by themselves as a perfectly distinct in their own proceedings; for there was a minute of Council which instructed the inspectors, as to certain schools, to report only upon the secular, and nut upon the religious instruction. Did not thi s at OLCO destroy the theory cf _ their being indiesoluble, or th ere 'being any advantage in so blending them together that the onecould not be separated from the other? Besides, relieiuus education had been to a certain extent provided and the voluntary principle would d o that, both in the Es tablished Church and in the Dissenting community, But he would not say the voluntary principle in the Esta blished Church, because it was the bounden duty of the clergyman to attend to the religion of the children as well as the adults ; and let the work be well done by the clergyman, where was the necessity for the inter ference of the schoolmaster in the teaching of religion? He was urging nothing new or unheard of, or for which he had not the sanction of authority. In au episcopal charge delivered two years ago in St. Peters, the Bishop, in commenting upon the question of education, observed that however valuable masters of schools might be in other respects, they seldom found them possessed of ability to communicate real religion ; that the doctrines which led to practical godliness must be inculcated by those whose office it was to expound the Bible; that the literary character ef the school might depend on the master, but the religious character must depend on the clergy. The separation of religious and secular educa tion was in fact acted on in practice in all scholastic establishments, such as the Royal Naval School and others, over which the Government had control, ,just as it would be in the schools which he proposed. It was only when they considered instruction in a charitable point of view that they gave the preponderance to reli gious teaching. The Bible was not a book which should be given into the hands of poor ignorant children for the purpose of teaching them to read. Such was the opinion of Dr. Hook—an opinion which was sustained by the authority of one of the most eminent men this coun try ever produced, whose philosophy was as beneficent as his eloquence was brilliant, and whose piety was as unquestionable as his mighty talent—he meant Edmund Burke—who, in a speech delivered some eighty years ago in this House, in the year 1772, observed that the Bible was no summary of doctrines regularly digested, but a venerable and multifarious record of Di vide promises. Such a book was not therefore the only fit and suitable ,work to be entrusted to the compara tively uninformed schoolmaster for the teaching of the ignorant children under his charge. They had all expe rience of that in thio country, for it bad not been so ef fectual a barrier against criminality as had been sup posed. For twelve consecutive years the criminal tables showed an increase of criminality in the imperfectly educated. Such tables tested the value of sound instruc tion by a constantly diminishing ratio in the per -tentage of criminals well taught; they showed a constantly dimi nishing ratio in the per-centage not taught at all, but a constantly increasing ratio in the imperfectly taught. The decrease in the former was 33 5-10 to 31 5-10 per cent., while the increase in the latter was from 53 1-10 to 59 5.10 percent. Religious teaching failed, in fact, because it was not sufficiently combined with secular education. The Irish national schools were much better conducted in respect to the separation of theological from secular instruction than the schools in this coun try. There was a larger portion of the secular element in the instruction given, and the faculties of the children were, therefore, more fully developed. The result was, that from 1845 to 1849 (the years to which the re turns he had got applied), the number of those com mitted who could read and write, instead of increasing, a 3 in this country, decreased from 26 3-10 per cent. of the whole criminal population in the first-named year, to 17 6-10 per c , nt. in 1849 ; whilst the number of criminals who could neither read nor write increased in a corresponding propertion—a result exactly the re verse of what took place in this country. In the re port of the inspector of the Lancashire Sunday schools, analogous results were traced, which proved that Sun day-school teaching required something in addition to its ordinary character to render it efficacious. It was necessary to do something, es the voluntary system did not meet the emergency, sad was not capable of exten sion so as to meta it. If, therefore, not on the ground of preference, at least on the ground of necessity, they were thrown back on some such plan as that contained in the proposition he should submit to the House, that conviction was growing end spreading throughout the country, especially among thos whose cooperation was necessary to the success of a general system of educa tion by the working classes. A number of such schools had already been established in London, where the edu cation, according to the judgment of Mr. Mosley, 'the inspector of the British Weslyan denominational schools, was of a high order. The same gentl man also spoke of the great and growing attention which this educational problem excited amongst the great mercantile aid ma nufacturing interests of the North, and he added that he hal been invited to inspect most superior educational institutions which had risen out of the efforts of the working classes, aided by their employers, to elevate themselves in the 'smile of intelligence. He thanked the House for iti attention, and he had only to say that at the present time, amidst the conflicts of political parties —amidst the collision of rival churches and hierarchies —amidst the suite of sects, and the war of different classes, systems, and interests—amidst the collision of their various systems of policy, whether commercial or constitutional—amidst the competition of nations and the development of industrial and artistic energies, nothing could better engage the attention of the Legis lature than building up an educational fabric of national greatness and prosperity, founded on the broad basis of national intelligence. The Hon. Gentleman concluded with the motion of which he had given notice:—" That it is expedient to promote the education of the people in England and Wales, by the establishment of free schools for secular instruction, to be supported by local rates, and managed by committees, elected specially for that purpose by the ratepayers." Sir G. GREY said the Hon. Gentleman had begun his speech by referring to some observations made by the First Lord of the Treasury on the subject of education out of that House, and from them he anti. cipated that though the Government might not concur with him in the proposition expressed in his resolution, it would not be met by them in an obstructive spirit. He assured the Honourable Gentleman, though he could not consent to his resolution in the form in which it was expressed, he should not meet in a spirit of opposition any attempt that might be made to extend the means of sound and useful education amongst the children of the great body of the people of this kingdom; and still less would he oppose any attempt to draw the different classes together, with a view to combining the different religious denominations in the promotion of that important subject. He did not dispute that there were great ceficiencies in their present educational sys tem, and which were inherent in that system, as applied to the great body of the people. But he must also re mind the Reuse of the great increase which had of late taken place in the means of education among the lower clases—an increase not only in the number of the schools, but also in the improved condition of the teachers, their qualifications for the discharge of their duties, and the improved character of the education im parted. He admitted, at the same time, that much re mained to be done; but they were now asked to assent to the proposition that it is expedient to promote the education of the people of England and Wales by the establishment of tree schools for secular instruction, to be supported by local rates, and managed by com mittees elected for that purpose by the ratepayers. So far as the application of local rates to supply existing deficiencies in education, he was not prepared to differ with the Hon. Gentleman. There could be no reasonable distinction drawn between the applica tion of local rates and the appropriation of a portion o f th e general taxation of the country to the pro motion of education; and there might be advan tages from local management, provided efficient in inspection of the schools were secured. To that part of the plan he had no objection; but he must hesitate be fore adopting a resolution on the expediency of enforcing a system of local rates for the purpose, because the eir , cumstances of the different parts of the country were so essentially dissimilar, that though the system might be applicable to the country generally, it would not apply universally ,o all parts. They had a precedent in allow ing a portion of the local rates for baths and wash houses, and in a Bill now before the House, for apply ing part of ;be local rates to provide better dwellings for the poor. If they might be applied, then, to the improvement of the mora l , social, and physical condi tion of the poor, there could be no objection to their application :n the advancement of the more important object of mind education. But everything depended on what the character of that education was to be; and he was bound to say he felt the same insuperable objec tion to the terms of the resolution that he did to the Honourable Gentleman's Bill of last year, which the House had rejected, on the discussion of the second reading, by a very large majority. His objection was, that the principle of the Honourable Gentleman's motion was that the application of the local funds should be limited to the promotion of secular education, from which religious education should be excluded altogether. Such schools would, if they succeeded, supersede those now in existence. The Hon. Gentleman said it was not fair to call-on parties to support any system of religi ous edacatien of which th e y did no t a pp r ove ; but the it Hon. Gentleman did no t ge t r id o f a s i m ilar objection by his plan of applying th e ra t es , w h e th e r local or here gene ral, to the ptrposes of secu l ar e d uca ti on only; for were large nimbers who contributed to the rates who regarded the commu n i ca ti on o f religious instruction along with secular ed uca ti on as i n di s pensable. Besides, m it should be rem em b ere d th a t the frequenters of poor schools had nowhere else to obtain religious l instruction, of i f s e for when the e n whereas the stude n t s i n sem i n aries and col e e better classes had o th er so urces for religious i instruction, while they were u s ually arrived at a time the religious impressions and formed; whereas, for the nions were already formed;communication of catechetical y instruction the children of the poor could not be got to frequent thechurch, and if they were to exclude from their schools the practice of the reading of th e W ord of God, they would deprive them of their only source of religions instruction. That was the principle of the Hon. Gentleman's present proposition, and of his Bill year, to w heel he had then objected an d still objected; and the repetition of that proposition now must meet with the sane opposition from the Government that it had last year. The Hon. Gentleman had referred to the Irish named schools; but according to the Hon. Gentleman's proposition these schools would be absolutely deprived of participation in the local rates. The Hon. Gentleman had also referred to the opinion of Dr. Hook; but Dr. Hook had never expressed an opinion hostile to the reading of th e Bib le in schools with a view to religious instruction; but the Reverend Gentleman thought it ought not to be used in schools for the mere purpose of teaching children to read. He (Sir G. Grey) doubted, too, if they really could prevent a schoolmaster, fully conscious of his responsibility, from conveying religious instruction to the children com mitted to his rare. The Hon. Gentleman had taken cc casien to allude to what he called the rival plan devised at Manchester. Some time back Mr. Entwistle and some other gentlemen submitted to him the heads of a system of education to be appliceble principally, if not solely, t o t h e very populous districts of Manchester end Salford, an d stated that they meant to propose a Bile to Parliament f o r th e p urpose not t e l l s s e ss i on , as there would not be time, but next session. The scheme was based on th e com bi nation o f t h e representativesi3,of dif ferent reli g i ous d enom i nat i ons i n thesel a s t r4 w d ehicth were riet the system to be su pp orte d o ut of the r to be applicable to the maintenance of existing denomi school i which religion was taught. Every rel ig ious nation was represented on the it committee, and not withstanding the otjections of some Roman Catholic priests,the Roman Cethelie laymen re m ai e ed on the , committee, and the committee did not despair of devi sing means of including the Roman Catholics. It was expected, too, they would tie able to include Leeds in its operation, and with the probability of such a scheme succeeding it would be most inexpedient to affirm a re solution which would exclude religious instruction from secular education. He trusted that the system he re ferred to would he brought forward successfully, and that it rsould be the means for augmentiog the means of education and of combining the uifferent classes of the cemmumty in one comenot_ effort for that laudable object. Mr. HUME said the Right Hon. Baronet seemed to forget the great point at issue, the necessity of a general education for the poorer classes of the country. As the Hon. Member for Oldham bed shown the clear con nexion between ignerauco end crime, it behoved the Government to attend to the auestion. The Right Hon. Baronet said it was impossible to deal with the question; but it was done in the United States with the greatest success. He (Mr. Hume) agreed with his Hon. Friend that it was the duty of the country to educate the poorer classes for their respective conditions in life; and also that it should be at the cost of the State. In Ireland the Catholic priests objected to education without religion-- hence the godless colleges; while the Right Hon. Baronet said that he could not agree to any education that was purely secular and unconnected with the teaching of true religion; but there were upwards of twenty sects in England, each of them teaching a d,fferent faith. Who was to say which was the true religion? In the United States the villages of 50 individuals were obliged to main tain a school for six months, while those of 100 were obliged to maintain one a year. This was done without religious difference, because religion was excluded from them, and the children brought up alone in a know' ledge of their duties to society. Were the citizens of the United States less moral or less intelligent than those of England? The example of the Americans, at least in this instance, should be looked to. They were bringing up a moral, virtuous generation of citizens , capable of fulfilling all their duties; while in England the cliff rent sects were quarrelling about who should have a monopoly of the education of the people. His Ha' Friend did not desire to set religious instruction aside; on the contrary, he desired to fit the youthful mind for its due reception. It was a duty specially worthy of senate to legislate upon this subject; and it was a dis grace to England, rich, powerful, and populous, that there should be such an amount of crime co-existent and arising, as was proved, entirely out of the ignorance of that class which should be the best support of the State. The present system created the most serious difference between the several classes of the community; the contrary one produced the best effects on the United States—Massachusetts, for instance, where the children of the poor were educated at the expense of the State. In Edinburgh the result of an inquiry instituted into the anted dents of five huusired prisoners proved that crime was transmitted from generation to generation in man/ families, because of the ignorance and neglect in which they bad been left. He therefore called en men of property to consider whether it would not be better to adopt the system of his Hon. Friend, and by increasing education reduce the amount of crime. lie hailed the Lancashire plan of education with great satisfaction; and if that could be carried out his Hon. Friend would be satisfied. Each parish should have the pop er of rating itself, for the support of the schools, as the parishes already had for baths and washhousee. Under these circumstances he hoped the Noble Lord at the head of the Government, who with his family had always been the great supporters of education, would not allow himself to be diverted by trivial diff-rences, but would take the broad course. Surely Englishmen might do that which was done in this matter by Ante" mans. Mr. A. B. HOPE should oppose the motion, because he was desirous of giving all creeds the most perfect libe; ty of action. The resolution of the Hon. Member for Oldham was, in his opinion, one more fraught with danger ,to the principle of religious hberty than, perhaps, any other that had ever been laid before Parliament. If a purely secular education could be given, he (Mr. Hope) would not object to it; but that was impossible by the very laws of nature,—(elear, bear.) It dogmatic religion was not taught in the schools under this system of the Hon. Member, some religion would neces sarily be taught, if it was none other than the negation of all faith. The Hon. Gentleman asked what had the multiplication table to do with religion, and last year he had asked what had religion to do with the enjoyment of the beauties of nature; but to be taught anything a child should be taught to trace things to their rudi meets, and how, in that case, could a knowledge of the Supreme Being be shut out from his mind? Whether the most elementary education was imparted, therefore, or the moat scientific, the result was identical. At the very loss est, these schools would have, consequently, to teach Deism or Atheism. A compulsory system of edu• cation was instituted by the motion, and a scheme set up side by side with the established religion which taught these, and from which the poor could not escape. Therefore it was that he (Mr. 11.) considered the scheme of the Hon. Member as so fraught with danger; and on this ground, as well as upon many others which he should not trouble the House to detail, he should oppose the motion. He was at one with the Hon. Gentle man in his wish to improve the moral condition of the people of this country; but he could not see why the Anglo-Saxon principle of decentralization, which had Leen adopted in trade and all other matters, should not be allowed freely to exist in the matter of education. Either religious toleration should be abolished, and a compulsory religion enforced as well as a compulsory education; or education in respect of religion should be loft perfectly free. He had no objection to its being made as free as possible, nor would he oppose taxation for the purpose; but he was of opinion that the only way to obtain a national system was to distribute the amount contributed by the State, in the ratio of their wants, among the several religious denominations of the country. He was for the adoption of a system analogous to that of the London University, and he was opposed to the gigantic scheme which it proposed of centralisation. Colonel THOMPSON said the Hon. Gentleman had overlooked the fact that there were different eAablish ments for each denomination of Dissenters. Was there no way of getting rid of the great obstacle to a general education presented by religious difference? Why should not an hour a day be assigned for religious in struction? Why should the religious question be forced on public education? It was not mixed up with private education. Bays and girls could learn French or Italian without it; why not the poor learn as well the art of reading? He thought the various sects were afraid of the spread of human knowledge, The State should take advantage of it. Mr. TRELAWNY denied the proposition of the Hon. Member for Maidstone, that not to teach religion was e negation of religion. He contended that education, as a mains of repressing crime, should be adopted by the State as;well as any other mode of repressing it. The amount expended on the punishment of criminals at the present moment was enormous; and it behoved the country to take up the subject. He could not compre hend the course of the Noble Lord in demanding an nually such a miserable pittance as 150,0001. for educa tion. If education was worth anything, it was worth more than that. Education would have put an end to the Ecclesiastical Titles Bill; and he believed, if the Go vcanment asked for such a sum as would give a good general education to the poor, that Parliament would not refuse it, notwithstanding the selfish opposition of the middle classes to taxation, Sur far as he (Mr. Trelawny ) 1413 concerned, there was no sacrifice which he was not prepared to make on the subject. Mr. W. PATTEN agreed with the Hon. Member for Montrose as to the necessity for education at the public expense; but in his own county, as well as throughout the country generally, a falae step would be taken, and education net founded on religion. He believed that there was a strong feeling in the country at large that religion should be combined with education; it was 80 in Lancashire, where great efforts were made to educate the people, and where those su ccee d e d best which were based upon religion. If no other plan of education suc ceeded, ho might, perhaps, support that of the Hon. Member; but until all those in process failed, he should oppose the motion of the Hon. Member. He was of opi nion that the scheme now in agitation in Manchester, al luded to by his Right Mon. Friend, was the one best adapted for the country; and though he admitted the maintainedpo swchaesmwehlagereatreluc tau that thisowe however, squall po pularity poof pulag. the rival heLivro.teAdtaGgaiiansstorNhe Braei d the elution . fi rst part of the speech of the Right lion. Gentleman gave him great hopes that the Government were favourable to to the Lancashire scheme of education, The he part favourable t w he hi p e r h in h c e iple of a rate. Ele th d s peech to b o was that which re ferred general system of rates cou e l o d u d b whether a Hon. ted , Member'sho e.ver but then, if established, they must not be b e e no es m ta in b a li t s io h n ed ai or sectari an rates. If suc h k ind of rates were adopted, the result wou l d be that a special majority would be able to enforce on the minority of their fellow.parishioners that system of religious teaching to which the minority ali ght he opposed. If t h en such a system wore en- I forced, it would put the whole country into a reli gious conflict. But if rates were to be levied without refereece to religious denomination, it did not necessarily follow that the schools would be irreli gious schools, as they had been termed. This plan was to give elementary instruction, and to set apart a special separate time for teaching religious matters. It ap peared to him that the mere giving of primary instruc tion was so good in itself that it could not fail of pro ducing great moral effects. He had doubts of the pro priey of allowing schoolmasters to be also religious teachers. From what he had been informed, h© was inclined to doubt whether Ministers were tho proper par ties to have the controlling power over the religious studies of children. In a speech delivered by the Rev. F. Grose at a public meeting, it was asserted that the more a man advanced in knowledge the more he receded from religion. Now ho differed from the sentiments of the Rev. Gentleman—on the contrary, he belived the more that a man was taught, the more likely he was to become religious and motel. The Rev. Gentleman fur ther said, we ought to weave Church of England or Evangelical principles with education. If we separated secular and religious education, we should separate what God had joined together. Now, he was sure the people of England would never agree to a system of public, rating, when they saw what clergymen proposed to do with the money if they got it, mid the system of secta set:yeproposedsecular educationto n establish. i3 ogi ELI Holland, and It-ITe operationuca tio n o t f h and other countries, and he defied any one to say those countries were less moral than England. It was not right to throw on the supporters of his Hon. Frie,nd's plan the charge of a desire to give education without re ligio n; the object hi s H on. Friend bad was to give port it. useful acular instructi on , an d h e s h ou l d t h ere f ore sup- Mr• WIGRAM said the growing interest in the sub ject showed that the real question was not, whether edu- T El educ poor systi of tt systl how mixl plan debtE The! qua! an el only pau' w as othe] the how seed they It of I bit fac edt