The Sun. — London, England, 1850-07-30 00:00:00

I ourtt ISWtion SUN OFFICE, Seven o' Clock. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. (THIS EVENING.) HOUSE OF LORDS. The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat upon the Wool sack at Five o'clock. SMALL TENEMENTS RATING BILL. This Bill was read a second time. GENERAL BOARD OF HEALTH (No. 2) BILL. This Bill was read a second time. TURNPIKE ACTS CONTINUANCE BILL. The report on this Bill was brought up. HIGHWAY RATES BILL. The Highway Rates Bill was read a third time and passed. FISHERIES ON THE FRENCH COAST.-AR REST OF ENGLISH FISHERMEN. The Earl of WICKLOW asked the Noble Marquis whether he was aware that several English fishing boats had been lately seized and carried into French ports, on the ground that they had been encroaching on the rights of the French fisheries, and whether any steps had been taken to remedy the grievances of the English fishermen who had been con demned in large fines by the French authorities. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said that fir a long time there tad been disputes as to the rights of French and English fishermen. In 1838 a treaty had been en tered into, by which it was agreed that the ocean within the coasts of the respective countries should be con sidered as leslongiag to those countries. There was an exception to this rule, which was the coast be tween Jersey and France; there a certain line had been drawn; now it so happened that exactly upon this line a bed of oysters had been discovered ; whether these oysters bad had private information of the . treaty, and had taken advantage of it, he did not know—(A laugh)—but it was upon this bank that the alleged encroachments had taken place. the temptaticn to erercachment was too strong for any fishermen. Several French fishermen had been arrested by the English authorities for encroachments, and had been fine, and several English fiseermen had been arrested by the French authorities. By the treaty parsons so arrested were brought before the magistrates of the respective countries, and the Consul was to attend and watch proceedings, and if he thought injustice had been done, it was his duty to report the same to his Government. Several English fishermen had been taken into Dieppe ; the Consuls had attended and had made no representations to the Foreign-t,ifice, and there• fore the Government had no reason to believe that in- justice had been done in any of these cases. PROVISION FOR THE PRINCE OF WALES. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE moved that an ad dress be presented to her Majesty, in answer to her mes sage, assuring her Majesty that the House would adopt means to secure to his Royal Highness the Prince of Wales the possession of Marlborough House so soon as he should attain eighteen years of age. The necessity for asking this opinion at present was that Marlborough House was to be devoted to the exhibition of the pictures lef% to the nation through the patriotism of the late Mr. Vernon. Lord BROUHANI seconded the motion, and in so doing passed a high eulogium on Mr. Vernon. Lord REDESDALE thought it would be adviseabla to fix on Alarib:lrough•house as a residence in perpetuity fur the future heirs of the Throne. The motion was then agreed to. CANTERBURY SETTLEMENT BILL. This Bill was read a third time and passed. FEES OF TIIE OFFICERS OF THE HOUSE. The Marquis of LANSDO WNE moved a resolution to the effect that the House concurs in the suggestions of the Committee recommending the reform of the fees of the officers of this House, and would carry the same into effect.—Agreed to. The Bills on the table were forwarded a stage, and their Lordships adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS. The House was again crowded to-day, at Twelve o'clock, in consequence of the interest felt by Mem bers to witness the course to be adopted by Mr. Baron Rothschild on account of the vote come to last night. The galleries were also crowded to excess. The SPEAKER took the Chair shortly after Twelve o'clock. Sir ROBERT PEEL was introduced by Mr. Goulburn and Mr. Cardwell, and took the oaths and his seat. After the ceremony of taking the oath the Hon. Baronet retired behind the Speaker's chair, where he received the congratulations of his friends. ASHBY'S DIVORCE BILL This Bill, as amended, was considered and agreed to. SECOND READING. The Bishop of London's Estate (Saint Gabriel's Church, Pimlico) Bill was read a second time and or dered to be committed. On the motion of Mr. BROTHERTON it was or• dered that it be an instruction to the Committee of Se lection, that they do appoint, if they think fit, the Com mittee on the Bishop of London's Estate (Saint Gabriel's Church, Pimlico) Bill, to meet any day after the ex pira:ion of the eighth day from the second reading of the Bill. On the motion of Mr. FREWEN, after a short discus sion, it was ordered that the standing order, No. 200, requiring one clear day's notice to be given of all amendments proposed to be made on the third reading of private Bills be dispensed with in the case of the Westmin.tsr Temporary Bridge Bill. Mr. SCULLY postponed the following questions of which he had given notice till Friday, to ask the Chief Secretary for Ireland the following qustions:—ls it a fact that. true bills of indictment were sent up and found against George Mathews, alias Duncan Chisholm, at the recent Commission in Green-street, Dublin? Will the Right Hon, Gentleman explain the nature of the charges against the said clerk; and if any and what steps have been since taken to arrest the accused? BARON ROTHSCHILD-TAKING THE OATHS. At twenty minutes past twelve o'clock, at which time the benches on both sides of the House were nearly filled, Baton Rothschild appeared at the bar, and im mediately advanced to the table in company with Mr. Pago Wood and Mr. John. Abel Smith, amidst loud cheers from the beuehes to th© right of the Speaker. The Clerk, having first handed him a small edition of the Old Testament, which the Baron examined, then proceeded to read the oat's of allegiance. The Baron repeat , .d the words of the oath distinctly and emphati c) ally after the clerk, and on coming to the conclusion of it, pronounced the words "Su help me God" in the usual manner in which Jews take an oath in courts of justice, viz, by kissing the book while covered. The oath of supremacy was taken in the same way. The next and last oath was that of abjuration, which it will be recolLcted contains the words " On the true faith of a Christian." _ On coming to those words the Baron paused and said, " I omit these words, as they are not binding on my conacierice."—(Load and prolongad cheering from the biini,terisl side of the House,. during whim the Hon. Member put cn his bat and concluded the oath by say ing " So help me God.") A paper was then banded by the clerk to the Baron, which he signed amidst continued cheering. The SPEAKER requested the Hon. Member to with draw.—(Loud cries ut No, no.") The Hon. Member, however, withdrew behind the bar. Mr. HUME rose to order. As the lion. Member had taken the oaths at the table—(Loud cries of " No," from the Opposition benches)—in that form which he thought moss binding on his conscience, he put it to the House whether it was right that he should be required to withdraw.—(C;eeri.) He concluded by moving that the Hon. Member do take his seat at once.—(Cheers.) The SPEAKER thought the Hon. Member had risen to " order."—(Cheer 4 and laughter.) He (Mr. Speaker) undentood that the Hon. Member fur the city of London did not c. - intient to take the three last words of the oath, " on the true Nth of a Christian," which were prescribed by the Act of Yarliament—(Elear, and cheers)—and ha therefere requested the Hon. Member t.o withdraw that the House might come to a decision on the question which that omis3ien involved.—(Cheery.) Sir F. THESIGER—Sir, I beg leave to move that the Baron Lionel de Rothschild, one of the Members of the city of Loudon, haying refused to take the oaths pre ' scribed by law to be taken, Lefore a Member can sit and vote in this house, Mr. Speaker be instructed to issue a new. writ t o e the election of a Member la the room of: the said Baron Lionel Nathan de Rothschild. Sir It. INGLIS aecondeel the motion. Mr. ANSTEY wished to know front the Speaker if this would be the proper time to move the amendments of which he had .given notice? No answer was given to this question. Mr. P. WOO D —Do I understand that the :notion vas been seconded? Sir B. INGLIS—I had the honour of seconding it. Mr. Y. WOOD said the Honourable and Learned Member had Moved for a new writ; but he had stated no reason for it—(Cheert)—and ho should take leave to move by way of amendment that the se a t of the Hon. Merab.:r was fun.—(Cheers.) He apprehended that this was a question of extreme and dte? portancc to the privileges of this House, and one which not only concerns the •privileges of this House, hut concerns most deeply the country at large and the rights and privileges of the electors Cf this kingdom. — (Cheers.) The electors of the city of London had shown extreme forbearance with respect to the whole of this matter ; it had been no wish of theirs to briog the ques tion upon the House, or to throw the House into collision with the courts of law. So long zs they were satisfied that there Was an intention to treat the question fairly in rarlianient they were quite conteut not to in sist on a right which any party could question; they still believed it to be their right to send the Baron to that House as their roprescntstive, and to be their right that he should take his seat.—(Cheers.) Yet they were perfaatly relay to have the question of right placed beyond the possibility of doubt, so long as there was any serious intaudon on the part of Partiacienr, and Go .l,rntnent to deliberate nod decide upon the question. — (Hear, hear.) But what had happened? A Bill was brought forward to remove ail these doubts, which was passed by a large majority, of that House, but was rcjec:ed elsewhere.—(dear hear.) Baron Rothschild, with that strr;ghtforward con duct which he hid pursued throughout the whole pro-' seeding, thought it tight upon that to resign his seat and lay the case a; vin berore the electors of the city of London, with a reqaest to know if.it was their wish that he should again contest the question.—(Eicar, hear.) The answer. of the elcctors of London wa., an immense m ,jority in the affirtnatice, and that being so they waited patiently an other year; a second Bill was passed by a consider able majority of that house, and again rejected by the other place ...-( gear , hear.) A third time they resistei, T Jll and perhaps too patiently this time. In the mean time, some facts transpired with reference to an admission of a gentleman in a much stranger case than this. It trans pired that Mr. Pease was admitted to a seat in that House without taking the prescribed oaths. That circumstance had only recently transpired owing to the records of the case having been destroyed by the fire which burnt down the Hcuses of Parliament.—(Hear, hear.) Upon that information it struck him and others that this was a most important feature in the case, and accordingly he took upon himself the task of moving for a Com mittee to consider the subject.—(Hear, hear.) The in vestigation of that Committee fully established the truths of the case, but from a technical cause the Committee was precluded from going into the circumstances of the matter in their re report. Still, he thought, he should bo able to show, from the report and the state of the existing law of the case, that the House was called upon to tske no active step in this matter after what had taken place, and after, as he contended, the oaths had been duly administered and taken.—(Cheers.) The seat was unquestionably not taken; and, even supposing that the oaths had not been duly taken, the House would have a difficulty in determining that the seat was not filled.—(Cheers.) He had already stated that the electors of London had exhibited the utmost forbearance in this matter : they had manifested no desire to bring the House into colli sion with the other House, or with the courts of law. (Cheers.) They were persons who had all along, as a body of electors, been distinguished in a most remark able manner; as much so as any body of electors in the kingdom ; and they had shown it in this instance. — (Hear, hear.) But when Hon. Members found at the close of the session that that Bill which had been so introduced was about to be withdrawn, it was impossible that the electors of London could remain in that position during this third session of Parliament, without . bringing the case to a decision.—(hear, hear.) He (Mr. P. Wood) thought he should be able to bring conviction to the mind of every Hon. Member that the oaths had been properly taken—even to the mind.of the Noble Lord himself (Lord John Russell).—(Cheers and disapprobation.) And even if that were not established to the satisfaction of every Hon. Member, the House would see by the statutes that there was no vacancy of the seat. They must divide the oaths into two distinct classes with reference to this question. By the 30th Charles 11. the penalties were enacted which now regu lated the oaths of allegiance and supremacy. That sta tute directed those oaths to be solemnly talsen at the table of the House; and the statute Ist of William and Mary, cap. 1, repeated in words tie Act of Charles, but re-enacted that the oaths of supremacy and allegiance should be taken under t te penalties of the statute Charles 11. Now if those oaths had not been taken in this case it Was perfectly clear the seat would have been meant. —(Hear. hear, and cheers.) If those oaths had not been taken the penalty would have bean that the party not taking them would be deemed a Popish recusant to begin with, and would be disabled to sit and vote in the House of Common!, and without further conviction or proceeding his election would be declared void. So clear uid the Legislature speak when it was intended to move for a new writ. He came now to the oath of abju ration, and with regard to that the cese was most re markably different. The 13th William 111.. c. 6, first imposed penalties with respect to that oath, and the penalties inflicted by it were, that if the oath of abjura tion were not taken as therein prescribed, every person not taking it should be considered a Popish recusant convict, and be disabled from executing any office or place of profit, civil or military, and should be disabled also from thenceforth to sit or vote in either House of Parliament. The 17th section of the Act of George I. had all the same penalties as the Act of William, except deeming a man a Popish recusant, and disabling him from holding an office of trust, civil or military ; and it also excepted and passed over the disabling to sit and vote in Parlia ment, which was most remarkable.—(Cheers.) When, therefore, the Legislature insisted that a Member should not sit or vote in Parliament, it said so in plain and distinct words—that was to say, if he did not take the oaths of supremacy and allegiance, his seat was to be void, and a new . writ was to be issued. The statute altered the oath, and altered also the penal ties, and omitted the penalty of disability to sit and vote. Therefore he said, that if this oath of abjuration had not been taken by the Hon. Member, he has still not disqualified himself, and though he may be liable to penalties for sitting and votirg, still he is not disqueli tied from sitting and voting. He would now turn to the amendment, that the seat was now full, and he would say, with regard to thet, that the question arose in this .manner—bad the Hon. Member taken the oath of abju ration or not ? That would turn mainly on this, whether the words en the true faith of a Christian were a portion of the invocation of the oath, or were a declaration of the Christian faith contained in the oath. He had read to the House yesterday, and would not trouble them again to-day with the universal concurrence of all jurists, that it did not matter how a man was sworn, but whether he was sworn or not. The question now to be considered was whether the oath had been taken. Let the House remark the case of Quakers, and he thought that that would show them that these words were a portion of the oath which was sworn by, and not a portion of that which was sworn to. The case of the Quakers was this:—There was first the general statute of the 7th and Bth William and Mary, c. 34, by which it was enacted that the solemn affirmation and declaration of the people called Quakers should be accepted in the place of the usual form of the oath. Let the House pause at this point ; by this statute they had indulged the peculiarities of these people, and made a solemn affir mation in lieu of an oath. This statute freed them from the things by which they were to swear, but not from the things to which they swore; and though it justified him in omitting thti form of oath, it did not justify him from anything contained in the oath. Then they came next to the 6th Anne, c. 23, which was a special statute, and enacted that the oath of abjuration should be taken with regard to certain matters in Scotland, with penal , ties against those who refused to-j take the cads, and against those who, being Quakers, should refuse to de clare and affirm the substance of the oath. How did the case now stand? Here the Quakers were in precisely the same position. as Baron ..Itoths child—there was the oath of abjuration to be taken— there was the statute of William and Mary, which said that quakers should make affirmation instead cf oath, and there was the Act of Anne, which said that Quakers should declare the effect of the oath of ahjuration. It was remarkable that in this oath the words" on the true faith of a Chriatien" occurred, and also the words" I swear" in the middle; and when the 1 Geo. I. cap 6 was passed, which recited these statutes, and provided for the form of abjuration to be taken by Quakers, as directed by the 6th Anne, they found that wherever they were obliged by that statute to take the oath they were allowed to declare the effect of it, leaving out the very words "on the true faith of a Christian." Here there was Legislative declaration or the points which he contended for, that the whole substance of the oath was embodied without the words "on the true faith of a Christian." The Legislature plainly said that these words were no part cf the things sworn to, but simply part of the oath to which they swore. The Legislature had split the oath into two parts —the thing sworn to, and the thing sworn by—be cause the Quaker would not swear to anything, and would only affirm the substance and efict of the oath.—(Hear, hear.) The Honourable Gentleman then alluded to the case of Mr. Pease, and observed that in the reign of George I. a statute was passed to relieve Quakers of some of the particular chfficulti,-s under which they laboured. That Act was the Bth George 1., c. 16 ; but the abjuration oath which was taken by Mr. Pease was not the one which was pre scribed by its provisions, but was an oath similar to the one imposed on Quakers by the 6th of Geo. 111. When Mr. Pease came to take his seat in the House, he could not refer to any statute which prescribed a declaration that would be binding on his con science ; and according to the evidence of that gentleman it appeared that a new form of declara tion was prepared for him.—(Hear, hear.) Now this was most important, especielly when they came to con sider the form of oath which had been taken by Air. Baron Rothschild at the table cf the Reuse. Vu the occasion of Mr. Pease corning to take his seat the House did not resolve on the adoption of any special form of declaration, but it came to the following resolution:— " That it appears to this flouee that John Pease is enti tled to take his seat on making a solemn affirmation and declaration to the effect of the oaths which are directed to be taken by the House."—(Cheers.) Now, there was no law whatever that allowed an oath to be taken in that form.—(Hear.) This, therefore, involved the whole question before the House.—(Hear.) Had Baron Rothschild sworn to the oath ? Mr. Pease was allowed to escape from affitnaing, and thus to avoid the words "in the true faith of a Christian." Baron Rothschild said he wished to be sworn in the mode most binding on his conscience, and the [Louie had said he had a right to be so sworn, viz., on the Old Testament. Baron Rothschild said the words on the true faith of a Christian" were not binding e o : n oheree h ep i t m, but authoritiesi tohnanhe had taken the whole oath wi:h the f tghhuoeas Quaker hadr words,w out 101 tde a d n h d at hv ee had,octohntehereeni day consented e lt , aoi d d o d n oi e t. down that all the questions they had to ask were, had the party swo rn u p on an oath which he believed ;vould subject him to th e p ena l t y o f the i)eity if he told a n e b futureontr u t h --( rewards untruth-(sc a-)—and an a state of anvd in he did that and" —d punishments da- he ; i;e was enough. As to the declaratory statute of Victoria that 'had been ' so much relied i t , on ly provided, that in an y c as e in which the oath had been lawfully adminiatered, the person taking the oath was bound by it, provided it was admi nistered in a manner which the party declared to be binding on his conscience.—(Hear, hear.) The Baron Rothschild had taken the oath in the manner in which he had declared it seas binding upon him.7(lleur, hear.) It was idle to talk of the danger of incurring these ques tions, for they would always arise, and the House must take upon itse fto decide them without any con sideration as to the course that ought to be adopted in the courts of law, it might be as well fur the House to keep Within the course prescribed by the courts of law, but it was not bound to pay a slavish adhesion to the construction that might be put upon questions by courts ()flew. It was necessary on swearing a Jew that he should not be sworn upon the true faith of a Christian, and Lord llardwieke, on the question that came before him, dashed out with the stroke of his peen the words " upon the Hely Gospel," and permitted the party to take the oath upon the Old Testament.—(ilear, near.) Formerly an Act was passed ruling that a legacy ltft to a party who was a witness to the will, which will had relation to real property, was null sod void, because as the law then stood the fact cf the legacy bring kit to the witness would preclude the will beirg proved. But a doubt afterwards arose us to wills relating only to per sonal property; and in a case where one of the witnesses was a legatee, it was sought to deprive him of hie legacy. At that time, however, witnesses were not re quired to such a will, and the courts held therefore that he reason for the deprivation did not exist in this case, LONDON, TUESDAY EVENING, JULY 30, 1850. SU,N, and the legacy was declared to be good.—(Bear, hear.) Well, that was the way in which he wished the House to say the common sense and mode of law does not exist in thh. case. —(Cheers.) When they found a thing doubtful they ought to take the common sense and common reason of the thing.—(tear, hear.) In a court of law if such a point arose the Act would be looked into to see if it applied to Jews, end it would be found that the Act was directed against Papists, and could not there fore apply to the Jews.—(Cheers.) An abominable pro vision of the Act of George 1., which no one denied Ras directed against Papists, still remained in force, which ought to have been referred to in the report, and which would illustrate the inconvenience of construing such Acts as these strictly, and not according to their plain common sense reason and meaning.—(Hear, hear.) By that Act any two magistrates who took it into their heads that such and such a person was diseffeoed, might call upon him to take the oath of abjuration, and if he refused it, to inflict upon him all the penalties which it provided for.—(Hear, hear.) Now could it be supposed that under that provision two magistrates would be jus tified in going to a Chartist meeting, and, selecting a Jew, require him to take the oath, and yet that was how it was proposed to act in this case.—(Cheers.) He came now to the only argument which had been urged against the case of the Baron de Rothschild, and that was that in two instances Acts cf Parliament had been passed to protect the Jews from the operations of en Act directed against Papisty, which requited all Catholics who held real estates to take the oath of abjuration upon the true faith cf a Christian upon pain of forfeiting their estates. Now one of these, the 10th of George the First, was passed in the year fol lowing the passing of the Act requiring all parties to take the cash to whom it might be tendered, and as the case case cf Hireton v. Baiker had not been decided, it was thought proper to pass this Act to prevent its applying to Jews. In the other Act, how ever, the 13th of George H., which had reference to the Act for the Naturalization of Foreign Protestants and others, was passed to give the Jews the benefit of that law, but it did not affirm that Jews could not take the oath prescribed by the original Act, bat simply declared that it was passed because " Jews may be prevented by the oath from receiving the benefits of the Act." What he (Mr. P. Wood) said was, that the House had only a priced facie case, suggested at the time when the principal law was not clearly understood. They ad mitted Mr. Pease on a resolution, and they passed an Act afterwards, saying that the oath must be taken in the very way in which Mr. Pease took it.— (Cheers.) And that was not a declaratory Act. Yet the . House admitted Mr. Pease to take the oath in that way. There was then no fear of any of those conflicts with any other place, or with any of the higher or lower branches of judicature, which had been apprehended in this case. But the real truth and substance in Mr. Peace's case was, that the House acted on general principles.— (Hear, hear.) The House allowed Mr. Pease to frame a declaration, that declaration was made an Act of Parliament atter they admitted it, and not by a declaratory process, and not by an enacting process. Therefore, by their own argument, he contended Hon. Members opposite were all wrong in admitting Mr. Pease.—(Cheers.) He (Mr. P. Wood) hoped he had now grappled with every difficulty in this case; and it would be fur the House to say whether or nut, in a case of this gravity, they would hear it solemnly discussed and argued by counsel, if the House was to be a judicial tribunal. But he said it was a very solemn duty they had to perform. They were about now to exclude a gentleman who, by the tesolutions they bad passed, was admitted to have a clear and dis tinct right to a seat in that House. He had been elected twice by large bodies of his constituents; he was ad mitted not to be proscribed on the old pretence of his being an alien, or of that being a Christian Legislature. They had gone by all that, and they had coma to the narrowest possible question, a hich was simply whether, that being a statute which introduced into the oath the words "on the true fai:.h cf a Christian," following in the wake of a statute of James intended to suppress Popery, that Act, though a court of law might sue for penalties, had any particular application to this case. The House had also something else to consider. It bad been put to the House try the Noble Lord at the head of the Government that the House must take on itself a dispensing power to get rid of the difficulty. That was the strongest way in which the case could be put. The courts of law took on themselves no dispens ing power, but they acted with largo liberality in the ' construction of statutes. The courts of law took upon themselves to say, we will enter into the substance and meaning of an Act, and we will decide upon the true effect and spirit of its intention, and rule accordingly ; and iu doing so they would exercise no dispensing power. They would take the meaning of the Act in its most liberal sense in favour of the claimant. There were many points which could be raised in a court of law which he had thought below the dignity of that House. For instance, what would they say to this point? The statute of George 111. said that the oath should be taken under all the old penalties, to be sued out in the courts of law. Now that House was no court of law. The courts of law, indeed, would strain every technicality, not against Baron Rothschild, but in his favour. Let them look at their own position. Here was a person suing for their determination in this matter, a person deprived of a great privilege, and they were bound to give every reasonable latitude to pre vent his being disabled. Again, they had this conclu sion arising from the whole, putting a liberal construc tion en the statutes, they had to see whether the Crown had that security which these oaths were in tended to give it. That was the great question to look at. They found these Acts reciting in their preambles that these oaths were entirely for the purpose of preserving the succession, and all that they wanted was to secure that. Baron Rothschild had taken those oaths in their full sense; he had given every pledge which was required, and which the Legis lature, of which the Crown was a part, had enacted its a protection to which both Crown and subjects were entitled, and he asked could any Hon. Mem ber say, after looking .at all the Acts, that the whole substance of the oaths had not been taken, and whether Baron Rothschild had not fairly fulfilled all the conditions? The Hon. Gentleman sat down amidst loud and continued cheering. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that he was desirous of expressing as distinctly as he could the view which he had formed upon this subject. He could say that in coming to a conclusion he had en deavoured to divest himself of every personal feeling. Upon every previcus occasion upon which this question had been brought before the House he had voted for the admission of Jews into Parliament, and upon a former occasion he had expressed his opinion upon the propriety of that measure. At the same time he considered that, on looking at this question, he had two things to consider with respect to tne wishes which Le himself might have upon the subject. Ile earnestly wished that Baron Rothschild should be admitted a Member of that House, and that all persons of the same persuasion should sit and vote there like wise. But he was bound to discard every feeling of that description the functions whicn the House had to perform were purely judicial, not quasi-judicial, but purely judicial, and it was de sirable to express this more strongly, because it was impossible not to perceive that very strong personal fee'- fogs had been excited as to whether Baron Rothschild could sit in that House.—(Hear, hear.) Ile con fessed that on looking at this question it was important to look at the' position in which it now stood. The Hon. and Learned Member for Abingdon had moved for a new writ for the city of London, and the Hon. and Learned Member for Oxford had moved as an amendment that the seat was filled. Ho could not think that the course which the Hon. and Learned Member for Abingdon had taken was the one Lest to be pursued, even if his view of the case were con, ect. Ile would now refer to what took place in the case of Mr. O'Connell. He was quite ready to admit that there was some difference between the two cases. As it appeared from the journals, Mr. O'Connell was called upon on Friday and asked if he would take the oaths, and he stated he was content to take the oaths of allegiance and abjuration but not the oath of supremacy; therefore the debate was adjourned, and on the Monday following he was heard at the bar. On the following day he was called again to the bar, and Mr. Speaker asked him if he refused to take the oaths, and on his replying that be did refuse, the Douse came to a resolution that he was not entitled to a 55 at in the House. But there was some distinction between that case and the present ; the Hon. Member for the city of London had not refused to take the oath of abjuration.— (Cheers.) The House had, ,however, come to the con clusion that he had not taken the oath in the form prescribed ; and, perhaps, out of respect to the farms f the House, it might be proper to call him again to the table, and ask him if he refused to take the oath in any other form than that in which he had taken it.— (Cries of " No.") If he refused, then the view taken by the Hon and Learned Member for Abingdon might be the most correct one under the circumstances. But with respect to the real question itself; ho confessed he had considerable difficulty in com ing to the conclusion which appeared to him to be the right and proper conclusion, but wh:ch he admitted he had arrived at with considerable pain. If ho were sitting as a judge on this case, and had to decide ac cording to the obligation of the oath, and was auxicue to do justice between the parties, he could not say in hie own mind that the Hon. Member for the city of London had taken the oath of abjuration in the form prescribed by the Act of Parliament.—(Cheers from the Opposition.) He confessed he came to that con clusion with very great regret, but still it was his duty to communicate it to the House. forr:g argumentstoelotregretted d, (Continued cheering.) He had listened with very great pleasure and interest to the extremely able t o ( 1 l a l nt h r .di his Page °n and Voo Wood)—(Hear)—but r(nHceda Friendr ti t t h e though Memberhe one him to ba actuated u t : ha t a e td d b hL y eo t t h e(mairnce producedrAe s t sincerest Attorney-General) y motives, same-Gfcerea b ol be was ebliged to come to a di h ff a e d rent d . c on on e elas o i n en. that of was on his mind as he not tibia to get over what appeared to him to be the notbato u t e n ,rf no g hrt ie o oo f wnt t h, e h ev e e Act r r r .doubtft t which o tnh a had t m a bpt p leci n dum a et n sah tddei if e o n oa o or o h hadmo thebnl e es m e n c h r so raised s t n f de abjuration, that it was neces sary that he should affirm that he was a Christian. Pease would have had no objection to have made such affirmation.—(hear, hear.) It was clear that atlirrnetion by statute was to be taken as equivalent to an oath in the case of Quakers. With respect to the ohtervations that had been made by his Honourable and Learned Friend the Member for Oxford, upon the 3d end 4th William IV., passed subsequent to the case of Mr. Pt a3e, they r.pi eared to him to have a contrary tendency to that which he contended for, as by that statute aPar liament appeared determ ined to p ut an end t o all doubt, and if such an Act had b een p assed in the cas e:o f Baron Rothschild, all doubt would have been cured. But ther, supposing it to be clear that Parliament meant in the case of Mr. Pease to put an end to all doubt, the ques tion than would come round, would it be right for Par- 'lament to pass an Act fur a similar purpose in the case I of the Baron Rothchild. Another statute had been pressed on the attention of the House as the mainstay of the question; he alluded to the declaratory statute of the Ist and 2d of the Queen. Now there was nothing in that statute that required the oath to be administered in a particular form, but the Act provided that when the party had taken the oath in a particular form the party should Le liable for the cons: quenees as much as if it was taken in the regular way. But his Hon. Friend had said that the cath was no oath, or that if it was it was of no use at all. If such was the case the proper course would be to remove the statute which required it from the status-book ; but if that course was adopted the House would be, in effect, saying that the oath was useless, end ought to be nispensed with, and that it had not the power to do except by an Act of Parliament. He admitted what had been stated by his Hon. and Learned Friend, with respect to the courts of law and the steps which they take in deciding the mean ing of Acts of Parliament, but he could not say that be thought the rule of courts of law ought always to prevail in that House. It was not at all uncommon for courts of law virtually to repeal Acts of Parliament.—(Cheers.) The statute of uses and the statute of frauds had been vir tually repealed by them.—(Cheers.) Well now, he had always considered that it was not a wise course for a court of justice to pursue. Courts of justice, how ever, had been much stricter in modern times. At no time was it a wise thing even fora court of justice to dispense with an Act of Parliament, or to argue itseif out of it; but it appeared to him to be still more incum bent upon the House to keep Acts of Parliament strictly inviolable, and not to alter or change them in any way without the sanction of the ether branches of the Legis lature. If it did the most dangerous results would follow. Observe what was to be done in this case. The House was to strike out of the oath the words "on tho true faith of a Christian," because the Baron Lionel de Rothschild did not thirds them binding upon his conscience. Well, but was not it just possible if they agreed to that proposition, that herealer some other persons might for the same reason demand that some other part of the oath should be omitted?—(Cheers.) In voting that the Baron de Rothschild should be sworn upon the Old Testa ment he intended to affirm the proposition that the Baron was to constitute himself the judge, not only of the wanner in which the oath should be adminis tered, but also of the words of which the oath itself should consist.—(Hear, hear.) That was a thing which he could not conscieetiously vote fur, according to the view which he took of the case; but, said his Honourable and Learned Friend, you change the words our Sovereign Lord King George for our Sovereign Lady the Queen. Now, really, was that a mode of dealing with the case ?-- (Loud cheers.) Might they not just as well say that they could change the cads because they did not say A B, but inserted the name of the party sworn?—(Cheers.) Looking, then, at this case with the greatest ettention which he was able to give it, he aid say that the House had not the power of dispensing with any portion of the oath. The oath was imposed by an Act of Parliament, and having given the best at tention he could to the Act, the:words "on the true faith of a Christian " did appear to be part of the oath, and it was the duty of every Member to take it in full before he could take his seat in the House.—(Cheers.) His Hon. and Learned Friend seemed to be a little sur prised that the Noble Lord et the head of the Government should have expresed his opinion without having beard the arguments. Why, his Honourable and Learned Friend must know that;:it was his, as well as the Noble Lord's duty, to consider and look into the case well before coming down to the House, and no doubt the Noble Lord had done that.— (Hear, hear.) At a.l events he hod considered all the bearings and facts of the case, and he came to a conclu sion which was liable no doubt to be removed by argument, but he had listened with the greatest attention to the ablest argument he had ever heard in his life from his Hon. and Learned Friend, and he must conf-es that it had failed to remove from his m-iud the deileulty which he felt about altering an Act of Parliament.—(Cheers.) So long as a statute required them to take a particular oath the House could not dispense with any portion of it; he bslia%cd then the words " on the true faith of a Christian" to he part of the oath; and, speskiug there in his judicial character, upon his conscience he did think the Baron Lionel 'Nathan dc Botlliehild had not taken the (whs . in the form prescribed by the Act of Parliament, or in such a manner as to entitle him to take his seat in that House.—(Cheers.) Mr. ANSTEY asked why bis Hon. and Learned Friend the Attorney-General had addressed the House on this occasion? He would tell him. It was to give some sort of colour to the Noble Lord at the head of the Government—(Cheers)—some sort of justification for the Noble Lord for his indiscreet and unseasonable speech of yesterday.—(Hear, hear.) His Hon. and Learned Friend (the Attorney-General) had reminded the House that this was a judicial question. If that was so, why was the question preiudged ?—(Hear.) If it was a judicial question, why was it made a Cabinet question? Why was the law officer of the Crown put forward to defend the Prime Minister? Had his Hon. and Learned Friend (the Attorney-General);, ventured to reply to the unanswerable speech of his Hon. and Learned Friend the Member for Oxford ? He had not; he had contented himself with a sic vole sic jubeo reply. The argunient of the Hon. and Learned Gentlemen was this:—Either the House had power to tamper with the Acts of Parliament or the oath had expired. Every fresh Parliament Protestant Members were called upon to take the oath. It was not put to him, or he would have claimed his right to be heard at the bar, and have showed that it was au illegal oath.—(Laughter.) Hon. Members might laugh, but he would quote a passage from the statute, which would set the matter at rest for ever. The arguments of his Hon. and Learned Friend opposite had been greatly perverted. It was allowed that a man ought to be sworn according to the form moat bind ing on his conscience, and the question was, did the words "on the true faith of a Christian," ferm part of the of tho oath which was held bind ing on the conscience in certain cases. He said they did. Whatever opinions might be formed by lawyers or courts of justice as to the mode or prescribing the oath, they could not shrink from doing their duty and acting justly to one who, though elected to sit in that House, was about to be deprived of that privilege by the starting of an objection which he thought could not be righteously sustained— " Fiat justiciat, net rcelum." The Hon. Membe: concluded by expressing a hope that the question would not be allowed to rest until Baron Rothschild was permitted to enioy his right of sitting and acting as a Member of the House. Mr. HUME said it would be quite impossible for him to attempt to enter into the legal arguments of the case, after the very masterly end very able speech of his [lon. and Le arned Friend the Member for Oxford; but he wished to observe that one argument hsd been used which had not been answered by the Honour able Member for Abingdon (Sir F, Thesiger). The Hon. and Learned Member called upon the House to agree to a motion to the Effect that the Hon. Member for the city a London had virtually vacated his seat, be cause he had not taken the oath of abjuration in the pre sc:ibed form ; and he wished to ask him by what Etetute or by what law he considered the Honourable M N e iao e rvr m o, mnb no Rothschild one,hador t e h n rendered de ah:apd that het taken tke en nd h ja eietsdh the oaths could tdu t hl sd n v o o a f dt c o a a u n l bl b t ee tg ? —i thateaxn ( cp l. l ee e l aal expelled. the) and supremacy, and having taken those two oaths he (Mr. (h The last oath, the oath of abjuration, was one of pains end penalties, but the Baron would not be sub ject to those pains and penalties unless he had sat and voted. Perhaps it might be better, as the Attorney-General had come into the House, that he should put the ques,tion to him. He wished to know from that Learned the city o f Gentleman oaths t by what law the Hon. bo f London su p h r a e d m a r e a; a a t n e d d a seat;Alem b ehre forrdhis taken the lle gi slice, but it was said he had not taken the oath of ab juration.—(Bear, hear.) In_hie(s/r. Hume's) opinion he had.—( Hear.) The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that it appeared to him that the seat had become vacant, assuming that Baron Rothnhild had refused to take the oath of abjuration.—(hear, hear.) By the 6th of George 111. persoes who refused to • take the oath of abjuration were subject to the same penalties and disabilities, as by the laws and statutes already enacted were provided, and by that statute they referred to the statute of William 111., which directed that the party re fusing to take the oath should be unable to sit in Parharner t. Mr. lIERNAL—What became then of the statute of George 111. ? The ATTORNEY-GENERAL considered that the statute of William 111. overrode it. Mr. WOOD assented that the statute of George 111. rep , sled the statute of William 111. The ATTOitNEY-GENERAL could not agree in that opinion. Mr. V. SMITH was not prepared to assume that Baron Rothschild had refused to take the oath (Hear, hear,) —yet that was the proposal of the Honorable and Learned Member for Abingdon, The Hon. and Learned Member thea proposed further to issue a new writ for the city of London. He could not assent to the adoption of such a course, when they had the first legal authority in that House disputing upon whether Baron Rothschild was entitled to his sent or not. He could neither vote for the original motion nor the amendment, and he would then , fore suggest that a Com mittee should be appointed to consider what was the state of the law on this subject.—(Hear, hear.) Sir G. GREY a difficulty its the matter. The terms of the motion of the HonourAb'e and Learned Member for Ahingdr,n were that the Baron de Roths child had refused to take the oaths prescribed by law; but the Baron de Rothschild did not lio that; he merely omitted certain words from one oath, because he did not think them binding upon his conscience. —(Hear, hear.) Now he was prepared to vote against the amendment of the Hon. and Learned Member for Ox ford, declaring that the seat was full, and he must say that be thought they ought to proceed with great caution and deliberation betre they agreed to the motion for the issue of a new writ.—(llear, hear.) They must look at this as a pre ccdent for all future time, and what would the minut , f the House disclose? It would appear that a Nfember came to the bar—he took the two first oaths prescribed by law; he took the last oath prescribed by law, with the omission of certain words, stating that he did notrefuse to take thew, but that he did'not use them because they were not binding upon his c onscience.--(llear, hear.) He thought with his Honourabl e and Learned Friend the Attorney.. General that these wends formed part of the oath prescribed by taw, and the House had not the power to dispense with them; but still they ought to have something more to proceed upon than the statement of the Hon. Member himself before they proccwiea to declare the teat vaunt. There was another question, however, to be decided. Was: the refusal of the Honourable Member final and com plete, and :be seat thereby vacant ? For his part he believed the Act of William 111., which made the refusal to take this oath vacate the sear, was still in force, notwithstanding what had been said to the con trary by the Honourable and. Learned Gentletnau the Member for Oxford.—(Hear, hear.) At the same time they were now netiug judicially, and he did think in the t resent state or conflicting opinion on the law they would be acting unwisely if they now decided that the seat was absolutely vacant without taking more time to look into the point —(Cheers.) Sir F. THESIGER was anxious to proceed with all proper caution and due deliberation, and undoubtedly when he proposed his resolution in the teems which he had submitted to the House, he thought he was pursuing the course of precedent. beccuse there was no doubt whatever that there were a variety of instances upon which peaks had come to the table and refused to take the oaths, and upon that refusal there had been immediately made a motion for the issue of a new writ.—(Cheers.) Now, Baron Rothschild took two of the e.a.t.! , s at the table; but on coming to the words in the third, " on the true faith of a Christian," he cloed the book and said he omitted those words because he considered them not binding on his conscience. He then kissed the book. (Hear, hear.) He (Sir F. Thesiger) certainly did not understand, when the Baron said he omitted these words, for the reason which he gave, that there was a re fusal to swear to those words.—(Hear, hear.) If he (Sir F. Thesiger) was wrong in supposing that that amounted to a refusal to take a substantial portion of the oath, he wished to know in what mode the Right Hon. Gentleman (Sir G. Grey) proposed that the House should ascertain clearly and distinctly whether it was the intention of Baron Rothschild to take the oaths pre scribed by Act of Parliament or not. Mr. PAGE WOOD said on the part of Baron Roths child, bat without consulting him, be would say, that Baron Rothschild had not the least hesitation in saying, that the omission to take those words should be taken as a refusal to take them. Sir FREDERICK THESIGER said, then if that were se, he could hardly understand why his Hon. and Learned Friend the Member for Oxford (Mr. P. Wood) wished to claim what his Hon. and Learned Friend called a locus penitentia for Baron Rothschild on this occasion.—(Laughter.) He (Sir F. Thesiger) had merely risen to make the explanation which he had given to the House. Sir GEORGE GREY explained that Mr. O'Connell distinctly refused to take the oath of supremacy, and the house resolved that he was not entitled to take his seat without taking that oath. The Speaker having informed Mr. O'Connell of the resolution of the House, Mr. O'Connell ask‘d to see the oath, and he said he declined to take it because it contained two propositions which he believrd to be untrue. Mr. ROEBUCK said all he knew from the Hon. and Learned Member for Oxford was that Baron Rothschild refused to take the words on " the true faith of a Christian." That did not imply that Baron Roths child had refused to take the oath. Mr. Alderman SIDNEY, amidst shouts of " Oh, oh," said if this was a judicial question, and if this House was to be the judge of it, it required not the learning of a lawyer, but the sound sense of an individual to form an opinion upon it. After listening to this debate for three days he had come to the conclusion that the question whether the House was to admit Baron Rothschild to take Mama or not was virtually decided by la►t night's debate. This was not a party question, but it was une in which each of them would feel himself called upon to act the part of a magistrate. He entertained an opinion that the time was gone by %hen this House could persuade the country that a constituency like the city of Loudon was not able to judge for itself. Ho trusted that the House would not stultify itself by proclaiming to the orld, and to the city of London in particular, that they would not accept the man whom they had chosen, and by requiring them to go through the farce of a third election. Lord JOHN RUSSELL asked the House to come to some decision as to the course of proceedings. If the Hon. Winter for Oxford, who represented the Hon. Member for London in that House, thought some delay advisable, before proceeding to a division he should pri, pos3 amt they should adjourn until six o'clock. Mr. P. WOW) said that as he understood that it was the desire of mr.ny Hon. Members to speak, he should move that the debate should adjourn until to-night at six. Mr. DISRAELI—As it appeared to be the general freling of the Hhuse that the question was narrowed to the point whether they should repeal an Act of Par liament or nor, perhaps it wotildbe requisite to allow some farther time for consideration. He would remind the Noble Lord that the Irish Franchise Bill stood for to night. Ile wr uld propose to adjourn until to-morrow. — (Ores of " No, n0,", - , " Divide, divide.") He would propose, then, that they should go on with the Irish Franchise Bill at six o'clock. Mr. P. WOOD said, that having consulted with Hon. Members, he should b© perfectly ready to go on with the division. Mr. 13. OSBORNE said that he wished to state how it was that ho had not spoken on this question.—(Cries of " Oh, oh.") He was one of those who took a com mon sense view of the question, and he did not intend to have his judgment perverted by the quibbles of lawyers or the equivocal conduct of the Prime Minister. What was the course of proceeding by the Government? The Attorney-General moved that Baron Rothschild should be beard at the bar of the House by counsel, but the Noble Lord (Lord J. Russell) got up and told the House, after the Baron had had been put to great expense in retaining counsel, and after he bad raised 'the expectation of the electors of the city of London, that it was true he bad agreed to hearing the Hon. Member by counsel, but his mind was made up on the question, and that whatever counsel might say he would call on his supporters and other Honourable Members to vote against the admission of the Ho nourable Member. They were told that this was a judicial question, but they knew very well, from the course of proceeding by the Government, that it was not a judicial question, but had been made by them a party question.—(No, and Hear, hear.) It was no use tempo rising with the question, and he would tell the House if it did so that it would engage in a conflict with the eiVaens of London, out of which it could only come with disappointment and disgrace.—(Hear.) Lord J. RUSSELL rose to explain. His Hon. Friend the Attorney. General stated, on the occasion referred to by the Honourable Member, that he would follow the precedent in the case of O'Connell, and pro pose that Baron Rothschild should be heard by himself, or by counsel or agent. Then the Learned Gentlemet the Member for the city of Oxford, said he was authorised by Baron Rothschild to state that be did not wish to be heard by counsel.—(Hear, hear.) That having been declared, a debate ensued in which the Honourable Member far Middlesex declared very strongly his opinion on the whole question.—(Hear)— and such being the ease, he considered himself as well entitled as any other Member to state his opinion to the Housta—(Che , rs.)' He accordingly did so, abserving at the same time that he thought this was a judicial ques tion, but he certainly did not wish to influence any member of the Cabinet, or any other Member of the House in the decision of the question.—(Hear.) Mr. STANFORD rose amidst loud cries of "Oh," and other marks of disapprobation, for the purpose of supporting the adjournment of the debate. He hoped the House would not prejudge the queation, and that he would have an opportunity of considering its whole bearings before he was compelled to record his vote. Strangers were then order to withdraw and the House divided, when there appeared— For Mr. P. Wood's amendment ... 117 Against it ... ... 221 Majority against the amendment 104 On our return to the gallery.we found Lord J. RUSSELL stating that he did not think tie house would be justiFied, without further anthority,lin saying that heron Rothschild had refused to take the oaths. He thought the House ought to have time to deliberate upon the question, whether either an act of Parliament or the precedent and usages of the House made it neces sary and incumbent upon them to proceed immediately to isata the writ. He was anxious that the House should take the utmost time to deliberate upon that point, and Le therefore hoped his Hon. and Learned Friend the Member for Abingdon would not press his motion now, but either withdraw it or adjourn it to some future day.— (Hear.) Sir F. I THESIGIiIt was extremely anxious to leave the matter entirely in the hands of the Noble Lord.— (Opposition cheers.) He meant precisely what he said. —(Cheers.) It was a question which concerned the pri vileges of the Milo, and he thought it was peculiarly a matter fur the Noble Lord to decide what course they ought to adopt. Of course he was not as well versed in the rules and forms of the House as the Noble Lord, and being desirous to proceed with due caution, he was anxious to receive the instrucCoas of the Noble Lord— (Cheers)—as to the proper course to be adopted.— (Hear, hear.) lie had no desire to hurry this matter on, he was only anxious, inasmuch as they were now: in a position which placed them in a ,difil!ulty as to the proper mod( of proceeding, that there should be every opportunity afforded the House to consider the question ; and he could, of curse, have no object!on to adopt the s9gges tint' of the Noble Lord.—(Cheers.) With respect to the question as to the retusal of Baron Rathschild to take the oath, if it was required by the House that they should have more distinct information on the subject, he was ready to accede to it, because his object was to establish a precadea.t for the future con duct of the Inure; and it was, therefore, of the utmost importance that the journals should be full and complete upon the subject.—(Cheera ) Mr. HUME said, the Hon. and Learned Member seamed surprised at sons demcnAration of applause in favour of his conduct, but how could he wonder at that ? Why, did not the Henourable and Learned Member leave everything in the hands of the Noble Lord at first, why did the Hon. and Learned Member step forward and interfere with the Noble Lord? The speech of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman was quite inconsistent with his practice, and he hoped the House would proceed to a division and negative his mo tion.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. V. iSMITti said this was a question for the House of Commons, and not fur the Ministers to decide. He was surprised at the lion , and L earne d Gentleman opposite talking about caution, when ho had hten so rash as to propose a resolution which the House could not adopt; na,! - , it actually stated what was not the fact, for it was untrue that the Baron Lionel de Rothschild had refused to take the oaths , —(Chters.) If any ad journment took place, he hoped it would be for the pur pose of ultimately having a Committee, to consider the law of the subject.—(Elear.) Sir R. H. INGLIS denied that the resolution of the Hon. and Learned Member for Abingdon contained that which was untrue, nor had the Hon. and Learned Member been at all rash and precipitate in nil conduct. —(Cheerz.) The Eight Hon. Gentleman the Member for Northampton had said that the Hon. Member for the c:ty of London had taken the oath, and if the Right Honourable Gentleman limited himself to the word oath, ho was justified in saying so, but the Hon. Member for the city of London bed not taken the oath, which was the whole point at issue. The lion. Gentleman had taken an oath, but ne the oath.— (Cheers.) Supposing the Hon. Mombsr had omitted clause 3,4, or 5 of the oath, would the Right Hon. Gentleman the Member for Northampton then say that the 13Lron de Rothschild had taken the oath ?—(Cheers.) There fore, then, he contended that the motion of his Hon. and Lqarn,tl Friend was not premature, was not at all ill advised, and affirmrd nothing but that which was obli gatory upon every one of them.—(Cheers.) Lord JOHN RUSSELL moved that the debate be siljourned to twelve o'clock on Thursday next. His Ilan. and Learned Friend th 6 Attorney -General would then propose such a resolution, or resolutions, as his Hon. and Learns Friend and himself (Lord John Rus sell) should have conceived the dignity and the usage of the House rt quired. Sir F. THESIG ER seconded the motion. Sir B. HALL said, whatever iesoultion the Govern ment might propose on Thursday next, he, tor one, should insist that the motion of the Hon. and Learned Member for Abingdon should be affirmed or negatived by the House.—(Cheers.) Mr. P. WOOD said, as any resolution the Govern ment might propose on Thursday would be in the shape of an amendment to the motion of the lion. and Learned Member for Abingdon, he did not see why the House should not dispose of the motion of the Hon. and Learned Member for Abingdon. Mr. ROEBUCK reminded the House what they were going to do by adjourning. The real facts of this case were before the House, and the only doubt was about the conclusion from those facts. Mr. HUME thought that if the Noble Lord (Lord J. Russell) meant to tct fairly on this question, the motion of the Hon. and Learned Member for Abingdon should be disposed of or withdrawn. After a few words from Mr. ANSTEY, Mr. AG LIONBY ahked the Government if they were going to incur the odium of preventing the House com ing to a decision on the motion of the Hon. and Learned Member for Abingdon? Lord JOHN RUSSELL replied that he thought it far better to adjourn the debate until Thursday than to come to any hasty decision on the motion before it. As to any odium he might incur, he did not think it would be wise for the First Minister of the Crown to be very sensitive on that point,—(Laughter.) lie doubted it was part of his fate to incur odium, but he should seek to avoid it as much as possible. The gallery was then cleared, but no division took place. On entering we found Sir F. THESIGEH cxpressing his willingness to with draw his resolution, or to have it negatived ; but the House must understand that it was solely on the ground ihat he might not interfere with the Government reso lution. Sir F. Ile;iger's motion was then put and nega. tined without a division. In reply to a question from Sir B. HALL, The ATTOIeNEY-GENERAL said that it would not be possible for him to lay his resolution on the table before Thursday. Mr. ANSTEY complained of this delay. The debate was then: adjourned until Thursday. Mr. DISRAELI suggested that Hon. Members who had notices of motion on the paper should allow the Government to proceed with the Irish Franchise Bill this everiug. Lord J. RUSSELL expressed his willingness to com ply with the suggestion. Mr. P. SCROPE said that be would willingly postpone his motion if it were the wish of the House. The House then adjourned at a quarter after four until halt'-past six. THE LONDON GAZETTE, (THIS EVENING.) CAMBRIDGE-HOUSE, JULY 29. 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Pennell, cflicial assignee, Guildhall-chambers Basiughall-street; Carlow and Haynes, Palace-chambers, St. James-street. Gale Peasegood, draper, Sheffield, Aug. 7, at two, and Sept. 7, at one, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Pennell, official assignee, Guildhall-chambers, Basinghall-street; Jones, Siso-lane. Thomas Tibbett, corn factor, March, Cambridgeshire, Aug. 5, at two, and Sept. 7, at twelve, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Pennell, official assignee, Guildhall chambers, Basinghall-street; Abbott and Wheatley, Southampton-buildings, Chancery-lane; Miller and Sop, Norwich. Thomas Tappenden, tailor, Friendly-place, Old Kent road, Aug. 6, at half-past two, and Sept. 7, at two, at the Court of Bankruptcy. 1 3 ( linen, official assignee, Guild hall-chambers, Basinghall-stre.-A; Foord, Pinuers'-hall, Old Broad-street. David Clement, saddler, Neath, Glamorzanshire ' Aug, 12 and Stpt. 11, at ieleven, at the Bristol District Court. Otficiml-assignee, Hutton, St. Augu3tine's•place, Bristol; Sewell, Old Bruad-street; Whittington and Gribble, Bristol. Jonathan Thompson, grocer and tea. dealer, Wigton; Cumberland, Aug. 8. at eleven, and Sept. 13, at one, at the Newcastle-upon• Tyne District Court. Baker, official assignee, Newcastle• upon-Tyne; Lazenby, Wigton; In gledew and Daggett, Newcastle.upon-Tyne. Eliza Way, miller, West Camel, Somersetshire, Aug. 7. at eleven, and Sept. 4, at one, at the Exeter District Court. Hernaman, official assignee, Exeter; Newman and Lyon, Yeovil; Stogdon, Exeter. MARKET INTELLIGENCE. (From the London New Price current, July 30.) SUGAR.—To. ay there was more desire evinced to operate in Letter sorts of grocery anc refining West India Sugar, whilst a fair business was transacted, end in several cases the rates obtained are 6d per cwt. above those of Friday. In inferior and brown qualities only limited purchases were made, still holders were firm, and would not sell but at full terms. At auction 150 hhds and 5 tierces Barbadoes were all sold; good and line sorts at stiffer rates, and inferior at furl terms, fine yelloN went at 40,1 to 425, good 38s 6d to 39s 6d, low to middling 36s 61 to 38s, onu lot crystalized yellow 41s 6d per cwt. The total purchases amounted to 483 hhds and tierces; the maket also closes with a firm aspect. REFINED.—To-day the Refin , d Sugar presented a quiet aspect, anti prices arc not No firm; there are sellers of brown grocery lurnds at 49s Gd. British Crushed Sugar was in lair request, at 27s to 28s Gd per cwt. Of Dutch Sugar Candy 140 boxes brown at auctioa were withdrawn. MAURITIUS.—This afternoon there was an improved demand for Mauritius 'Sugar, and the public sales of 6,176 bags went at full rates, and a small advance wus realised for grocery sorts ; low anc mid grey went at 338 to 35s 61, better sorts 368 to 38s, good to fine yellow 37s to 381 Gd, mid nod good mid 35s 61 to 3Gs Gil, low 34s to 35a, good and fine brown 32s 6d to 335 6d. EAST INDIA.—This afternoon a fair business was concluded privately iii Bangui Sugar at former rates. Only 805 bags were offered at auction, and sold at 325 6d to 33 6,1 for low and mid soft yellow, being full terms ; but while Benares: realised 39s Gd to 41s for good and flee, and damp 39s Gd. to 40s,—these aro rather higher prcos. FOREIGN.—Tc-clay former rates were sustained for Foreign Sugar, but the business euneludvd by private treaty wai of little moment, end none was offered at pub lic rale. MOLASSES.—In West India sales are upon a larger scale, but at previous low rates. Of St. Vincenls 200 puns were sold at 13s, and small parcels of An tigua, and Barbadoes at lfis 6d to 16s ptr cwt. For East India prices remain at Ils to 123 per cwt. , COCOA..—An improved demand hai been experienced' for Foreign, and prices are firm at 27s 6d to 28s 6d, there is only a limited quantity on offer. For British Plantation the dematd is increasing, and as supplies are limited, stiffer rates are obtained. At auction 400 bags Grenada were sold at 39s to 435, and fine at 44a to 463 per cwt. COFFEE.—This afternoon there was not much desire to operate in Plantation Ceylon Coffee at the public sales, which comprised 267 casks and 177 bags, at which prices declined fully is per cwt, but nearly all ditto Mysore4i6 , o t o ) 4 w 419,js s m b t6a i o d ide d , c3ioi 435, and ddas2nood andi p6afiedl fine e t bbo o aerlrtdr, s siyi sold ; good middling went at 565, middling 528 6d to s 5 ordinary 46s : 1 5 'r e 6 3 :1: 4 6 n4 d a es t t oi ' 4fi o. i n s 24e good ordinary, and at 378 to 43s for d and bales Mocha realiied 743 for fineyellow ti . aul F; et r s°6; N h a s ti f v Oo e 'rf Ceylon 42s 6d to 438 is the value of good ordinary. TEA.—Thero has again been an extensive demand for the lower d escr i pt i oas of Congou, and prices combine to advance. Merchants also evince much firmness, and obtain I lid to ILI for common, 114 to Is for good ordinary, ls Id to is 2d tor medium sorts. In good and fine Congou several transactions have taken place at from is 3d to is Bd, and holders are less disposed to realize. Of common and mid green considerable parcels have been sold at rather higher rates. For better qualities a good demand has been experienced at fully former terms, indeed, Upon and Y..ung Ilyson realiz,A a small advance. Of Scented and Pekoe Teal several parcels have been sold, and prices are rising. RICE --To day thcra was less activity in the East India Rice market, and only a limited business was con cluded by private treaty. At auction 1,162 bgs Bengal were only in part sold at barely former rates; fine white went at 113 6d, mid 9a 6d to 10s, ord brelesai 8s Gel to per cwt. Os'Sarniodc'si.a—mAaged 8 6d to much better demand has prevailed for black I'vpper, and previous rates wz,ll supported. At auction 8,000 begs Sumatra were sold, good clean black 3d to 3il, grey ditto 2- i ll to 3J per lb. By private treaty a fair business has been concluded, and Malabar realized 3d to 3:1-d. White realiz full terms, and met with more attention At auction 146 bags reaiizNi 6d to 610 for mid. For brown Nutmegs of inE:rior and mid quality 3 reduction ...._._---------a------ ..0 sold, 2d par lb has taken place. At auction 80 Pkg° acr e 2 , :id G , l fic t i o e a 2 t ,; 3L 1 3:1 to 33 sd, good 2s 10d to 35 ,. 2 A d r . ° ca l . low 2s 3d to 23 sd, oub - Il e in dilit'n is lid to 2s 2d; 312 bags tv "" 4 the ehell went at 2d to 3,1, and one lot g °° . sd. Mace is wanted, and must be quoted Id to Lel higher; 40 plegs at auction all sold, common t, 2s . a 2s id, middling 2s 21 to 23 33, and out of con o l Is 7d to 2s. Of Cassia Lignea there is still a scse9l, 'uPPI.Y, and a fair inquiry has prevailed at 8 65 t° for per cwt. A reduction of id per lb has taken placeeol Bourbon Cloves, the supply baying much increased, :;f1 at public sale 500 cases were chiefly sold at 6id to el_ for ls 6 s d a , ic b l u t a l n i d t Li e ti n h e a . • With SAL , • TILTRE.—' ro•day Saltpetre was operated la 030 caution, and of 917 bags offered at publi° s° ,l e ',„ s d s go ett part only found buyers at former rates ; lillu "„-; to _Calcutta 13i i to IV, per cent refraction realisea i; , ' , f 269 , but fine was taken' in at `')' 283 far 4 to 41 p` 8 The value of Penaog is s.lll 1, w - i 5 to (, cent refraction. e 01 bgi COCDINEAL.—This afternoon a public sale L i ~.• Id, of Mexican went at about former rates, but mostlY s° silvers_ at 3s 7,1, black 3s 8d to 3s 9i. a t and s SPIEITS.—For Biansly there is a firm mare- _d• good business has been concluded. Cognac bee br:e46 of the vintage of 1849 realised 4s 6d to 43 Sch sj, and 4s 7d to 4s 9d, 1847 ditto 5i Id to 5s iv interior sorts 2s 9d to 4a 3d Per g,N,Terie l t further increase has taken place in ; 4 'o i; dull ir all purposes. For Geneva the re er ,4_od fine for consumption at 2s to 3s. For British wiTo, Spirit there is no variation, but the market ie firni• o i • dayl ,lr the Rum market presented a firmer . 0 04 40 0 fbusiness was concluded, p of Leewards at 15 m y i l l s t:ti l; to Ea 2s s t 2cl . ; till fe d India is 3d, and rDemerara of sir INDIGO.— The home and export demand is i s , m ace for East India at lull former rates, and a steal OA is obtained for picked lots, indeed at present ret se . • ati parties ate not tellers. Spa nish is in fair redtles4, prices are looking up for the lo wer bort & ave Wu 010 Os.—ln pale Seal several purchases h sort s o rri_ ve u t and the rates paid are 321 to 321 55, other s : go scarce and realize 30/ to 31/ per tun. A flitr_P",d 85 1 has been concluded in Sperm line colonial;s 00 T ie 84/, and Headmatter 901; to 921 o' o ' ori of holders there is firmness. ''b are log s t e b v 3 e 4 r lj l . l a _ b r b t uyers of Southern and rates rule t.ll bid" for If r common to fine. Cod Oil is still soi 34/ 103. For Linseed Oil prices are not ,s 3 0 6 , ofi d rule t aS 33s to 33s 6d on the spot, ,Bat 01. moet 333 3 ith preeradcywtpurfe)hra:edresii"arnYd. ailitupseuitinnosobstio taken place, refined selling at 37s to 383, nr ° ," Yid/ 36s 6d, and there is a further decrease of euPP V :i ..22g 6 ' t met with a snore active demand and fine reshousted 0 o 29s per cwt. Cocoa Nut is still °P er la I lld with o caution, and there are sellers of Cfi sso bill C c chin at 2Ss to 305. In Olive several Pre i 7 iv ali 5 7 Spanish been made and the market is firm; c 4l) ,l'per Pt' at 42/ to 431, other sorts 41/ to 4 11 0 t s o w a ool6P . Rare auction is extending, and likely e izot „ as o o n a l - 30 ar to e u e s e ta r l e m i. ; tuns Seal ti Fineo p e rat e yellowi mlt . '0 t ° TALL() U c ss a i n a d n ie on is th o o il A;c1)03111 re, TALLOW.—Thera has been rather more ..-iitiopte• a 6d to 569 ar e 6 01° of inferior sort* . at 31 to 6d per cwt less. oetbs lied limited for ' delivery in last three I° evi e the year at 37s 9d to 37s 9d. 11; l l° 63 f f, good trade has, been concluded at 3 55 , ar e oe; 36s nett cash fur present delivery. F a ll tero ° : 0 00 °1 sepreo4dt :::tut:3lP6ssriC::::: 9cl, 01 : ined for all sorts o Tallow • t auction 2 8 " poi t ° ' . .;ydne were sold at ' a 55 9cl for 9 3, frcm 32s 93 to 3 en 35$ e flue; and 636 pkgs South • at 3 31 , - ,44ip e- American Tile value of P.Y.C., free on board, is 331 1°3 "" ton for this and next month. --...."! MAYO ELECTIO - --- _ _ <2 , ---- -- (BY ELECTRIC TELEGRAVIO 000 and eons, The following has been furnished us by * 5311' Eden• quay, alblin:— ~ The -- c t DUBLIN, TlTEsr° °^$11)°;11 urns of Saturday give the Not a ' single voter polled . Iy en either 001/ yes,er, a AV Mr. Butt returned to Dublin this mornin. will ha presented against Iliggins's return. _........- _..... . closo Hof tii: ,icio TURKEY AND 6 11 `. d:;; S l ° t; Inhoep l e r l e Bit h oh a u v irn e nsat r i.: eceired by the Levan t 1/151 both th the in 14th,e inclusively A rr t h he e n o g n,, q t t il h e it o , 2 - oi 4 interest in the former is the confirmation " ra tio i n received through Germany, of the res a tc,i be tran journals in Bosnia and Bulgaris. are destitute of news of irapatt6rice. ITALY- Ge noa ; o f The Council- General of Health at,,,, decided f that all arrivals flora t"'" t he - 0 • J o Tunis, Malta, and Algeria, wh ere cefe rri tie be 11 , e1) h c i n ut lera at present exists, shall subjected in the Sardinian Slates ° but / /il frlil e rantine of twelve instead of seven derf:ois °Pol necessity of landing or purifYing Lazarettoes. Also, that all arrivals fr i e i f or f e ver isa k labouring under the epidemy of the yell besides to be be subjected to a fortnight's quara ntine,w°ara ing goods at the Lazarettoe., whereo fll' dertr subjected to purification for the space 1 1" The Concordia of Turin quotes a letter 0000004 rence of the 20th stating that the straegetr itimodi current about the band of 11 Passatore, wPthfrle not o pp both the Tuscan and Papal Romagna, ing the exertions of the Austrian troofkbio 10.,`"ege rnents are said to have taken place wiAttitriao;.so the vicinity of Cortona, in which the h il 'A lat e worsted. They also say that re ssat h e ia h °11" 13 11° pieces of cannon, that he has divide d I tho t 4 three bodies, giving each a comtoaoder, 00" well provided with arms and nionej- COURSE. OF EXCITE Aensteraam 12 1% Ditto, three months .. 12 2 Rotterdam 12 2% 25 62% Brussels.. 25 62% Hamburgh ••31.8. 13 11 Paris, 3 days'sight 25 35 Ditto, 3 months 25 60 Marseilles 25 62h 80urdeaux......... • FrankfortonMaine.... 1 20 14 Berlin.. Vienna, effec. t 0.... • • 11 45 I Trieste, d1tt0.......... 11 45 Petersburgh,Sll.Rble.. 37% tdadrid 49% Cadiz .. .............. 49 Th Barcelona •• • • ........ Sevilla .. • • •• •• • • • • •• kNGE.--(1111P.:' so ' Gibr aitar.• $6 Leghorn • • " mt Genoa lsn . 4 , 0# Venice. ••• " • • ~ o .* Olt gaping •• • • • OS, Falermo,pFrOZ' ..„.. Messina •• " bl) 4 Lisbon. ••• " „ e Oporto •••• • • •• o' Rio Janeiro •• •• t Bue nos AYres.,:;eslip "00, Nov l'orit,6ou., Pliiladelptds ••::,,/,019. If 9 razors of P,L;i•Ptis' 0 Foreign Gold in _ 0 014 P°rtugal Gold Co_ll 0 04 Li Spanish Poubloon"..., 0 4 I New Dollsf a Silver i n bars •• •,, be e° - 130 tllB, AustralianrecTeivileEd of P li th im e ILLee 2r e7pta? r otsf ...................--- Iv We ioe l ot in tilt boi di0 0 " 00 0 0 country from Newcastle, and employed Sydney and Grafton with assen-gers and 111 .11 erc t be folo o 4 ° Sydney. She was caught in agale f 1 " -- 313 ' lye half-yearly 0 „ o f 0 1 0 on shore 'in a bay near a headland about nitu A ve 0 of the above named ports. ~,,- ~ Iv o ( , er ROYAL GENERAL n —o t l f y i tli b lit e ies en 'fli g t n : Li e l ie i i i ss i e rh e s i °t Ift e li appearshil e he w it a p s a lsossltied fr ° ci rti v i:ti " 0 41 ;0 $ ANNUITY SOCIS! ...,,, &tilt ce°o - " supporters and friends of the above numerously-also v i- elee t c l f o o rit and very numerously-attendea . - ii ,, iiew.;g ~ 1 , -, 1 n a d y t at the London Tavern for the purpose o f or eo to ' tm ants, and other business. H. POWDAI, ES C P r o od i l Ae c A , ts described the financial position of the socieq,o for I l l ,' i funds were applied for allowing anullitietnetlicAli ani members, bankers, clergymen, solicitors, ty , 007 4 of master manufacturers, tradesmen, their wt t':.ee and to single females (their d hters) frolu 8 ,, fatt - , O IP - ., United Kingdom. From theacuognditi* a mils'oro en v ..0 10' were unfortunately not in a position to ° adn siS h ie cl 0 ;4 out of the 121 candidates -vi three Wa le° g r i lic li : 0311 ,0 1/ h i at f l u b t future. though he hoped from the recentz" exertions - i d i be -, l o re„,es coast. :ces March Nit. .evioemdmls:.hscSletetheFai adwur reßecacke. li t iade that a greater number of candidates and of t' - ' 0 " A til e op' anrin'ohuenbceadll,ottitieheenhatioromkanplaccoe;geritukoirtevfor o til e d I f cessfu - 1 candidates, a d d his ,Y011)3":".'., 0 • n expresse 9 oc ieti S successful, with a fervent ho e that the ° bat enabled to elect all the ' I) SOV el r l d Olt applicants. NAVAL FLOGGING ..... f g AND DESERTION'. ~,dfo , 1 A ~,,a r 9 ` bee' el" and two seamen, late of the Lily, Cottull'-,efiviag „ 114 4 4 arrived without tPortsmouth from Sierra Leone , " e oeoil r there clothes or pay, and after heS,Jg,!iiral, on boa' the Lily Ti • the A"'" -- 0 The case is before v flC t most like] lead * o as It- Y to a very serious inqutrY• LETTERS __. 0• fo r „ I d TO p , R u sso ,— ra A V.,1 liUbslA AND or , all o ilk li r NOTICE. —General Post-office July; :- 'a Pr ° eOf Au s o nriv, ci ao. vo s o o ,u‘t next, letters addressed to Russia, may be forwarded by way of F ranee , 0 for k ti i(l, Letter 00P t ak or paid, at th ' al e option of the sender. eit her Ai o o f so may be forwarded by the same route, ,a or of ';ote.i, paid, as far as the extreme frontier of Prt iss b i s , tl l6 frvDe Latters for Bavaria will be transraitted . fo al to vott # France unless otherwise addres sed, but letterSdech ni o Russia, and Poland, intended t o be so forWarastag'letteof especially directed "via. France." The 13 ,,,. 00,6011 y v- -o British and f • oreign, may be paid in advance!. „ 9 1 , ,, ii c1 , may be sent wholl .d but n ynient t°' rta y . unpai ;P ~ let ters t° , i i , the distance, except in the case of pai- eV not permitted. - A 400 6 A It Three mushrooms lately lifted a 113/4;nch 013' ing three-quarters of a hundred w eight , 3 °,,i, - .03 1..._ 7 out of its bed, before a tradesman's door weight', ______----------- 01 0 Mass. lacif ..1 OF A SON.the - , On the 21th inst., t 11. 1' Id lace Esse x ' w ird C. C. de Cr • at le "P ' the d , espigny, Bart. ~-, afortl , On the 26th instthe Vicarage've •-- l l ' , at 044 the Rev. W. ins . Thornton. t potto le On the 26th inst. t Old Q bee.stree , ~ a ue 0 0 il, the wife of M . 1- C. A. Bartley. COrP OF AoA UOIITNIL 00, • TorP , iut On the ` , 6th ' - inst at INterifeld near VA the Rev. IL L. Je " ' A ' 'Ode nner. near On the 21th in t s ~ at theretreat, Frederick Lang. 0,..,1 0 t. n the 25th inst., tisre ,fg etl eo t d t tock 44 ad e lial l ' . ter of the late James Lindsay, I ) * " , 044 ( a ll y u l , s i abella, wife of Archibald Barclay, L.-. o f Gr. o i. On the l'‘ lath i d d l' se inst., x. aged 73, IVillilta Pjgr°l3' of° 1$114 : the thi lio ti in Burtpolnltreet, Tay.5,...v, A „sve ,, n art °ll'_:Pq• Adel wes I, 0 , Stewards itty, Leicestershire. Ou the n) 62264ettnhheriariiilsistc.t,la:t Burton.honse, Mrs. Atkinson, aged 97, relict of W. Atkinsllio, I ' . a go arilnes6lV:ll7.r-street' :,epheagt)fi' On the 27th inst., at Twickenham, Jubll '-'' - '', l . 0 of Rosccinbe, Christchurch, Hants. , riffhlPl ..-----......- ... n - if ..., Iv% 0 , Loudon: Panted and Published bY oV us f- vOSi O c e ' o ,oo ol No. 112. strand, Printer , at Tice pi tI F.trand, in the Preoinrt, o f the V* t• Pdiddlesex, Tuesday, July 30, 18.50.