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sta te" a said ad his [oor, of the lecided m. Ss or in ral ob. a legal before' at Hoc. books— . be takes ;he bishop lid not ac t to coo' 'rova 10 a nswer i roner, t (i l yl tion %c o " 10 prt At o tended 10. p of li j c o d B.Be he u . T other d. GO l3- on. u jol , Alt 10 p d the s" 3° 43 13ft 18 h ' ses to o return a pe 3reforer b e r the , . t he ices i fllt. i o )mY e° ;ol ciir:ary i ity. ° i )ertio toc .o v li e ti3biseell t resent OiS- tacked; and he w as i n a con di t i on t o i n f orm th e louse, n at in th e fi rst year in which that Right Rv. Preitoe had been appoin ed to his see. he bad mede a sacrifice of 10 per cent. of the value of the see. He considered it Of great importance, Should her Majesty's Govern tn.iiehnota,ppoiet tee Commission, that they should not act 1 ° ) ! 1 the suggestion w hi c h h a d b een t h rown out , t h at th e were the mere " creatures" of . the State. He denied that. The bishops wee the oldest estate in the rea lm —their p ro p erty was t h e o ld est , an d th e H ouse , i n dealing with it, should deal wilt it considerately, and oft on the suggesion that they were mere "creatures the State" --a suegestiou which was as unconsti tatLunel in its authority as it was unjustifiable. . eres AGLIONBY considered that it was for the in ofilt all parties that where tech charges 4ci been made against the bishops, those charges t should b 3 substantiated or refuted. It had been said hat the bishops had a legal and equitable right to the 1 13 , ,i !operty derivable from their sees.—( Hear, hear.) Now, his colleague (11r. Horsmen) had not denied that they 1 14 , -- (" Hear, hear," from Mr. Horaman)—but he (Mr. s 'lg l iunby) was quite sure that no one would say they bad t. Moral right to it.—(Hcar, hear.) It had been said that his Hon. Colleague was influenced in his state itruts on this q ues ti on b y an un f r i en dl y f ee li ng towar d s 0 Bishop of Gl o u cester . B ut t h at was not t h e ca s e . ku il Hon. Friend was influenced in his charges, not a gainst the Bi s h o p o f Gloucester as an individual, but th Public grounds; and he (Mr. Aglionby) had no doubt k at this was on l y t h e commencement o f a ser i es o f suc h c harges. should be the o bj ec t s o f suc h c h arges; but thought that " "sir inquiry ought to be instituted into the whole a tihi eat, 4r . MANGLES called upon the Right Hon. Baronet the Member for Ripon (Sir J'. Graham) to answer a question which had been put to him in such plain terms. S ir J. GRAHAM said he was ready to answer any ilitestion which might be put by the Hon. and Learned b ilen tleman as to whether he had declared that the ' is hop of Gloucester was under any moral obligation uot to renew his lease. He would read the resolution to which he was a party, and which was extracted from ntite Minutes- of the proceedings of the Ecclesiastical " 4t elnission. He had, however, thought the time;to dis- Lass this question would have been when the Hon. 'eulber for Cockermouth should move for the papers, or after the papers were presented to the House. The resolution was to the effect that the Bishop of Gloucester kid Bristol being under no obligation, legally and mo t:1,11Y, to deal with this manor otherwise than with any er estate within the see, the Commissioners directed their secretary to communicate their wish that the m atter should b e b roug h t to a c l ose as soon as poss ib le. 46 House would permit him to say that having formed as opinion that the Bishop had a legal and equitable t ight to fill up the lease, did offer liberal terms far be low, the market price. . h kr. REYNOL DS referred to a concor d at b etween t h e ;rope of R ome and the Sovereign of Spa i n b y w hi c h t h e ,D o pe of the archbishops in that " most Catholic ?ountry" were limited to 1,600/. and 1.400/. a year, the rouse of the suffragan bishops being 8001. a year, and suggested that in the case of the Established Church we should follow out or adopt the same scale! After a f ew words from Mr. T. B. LENNARD, the matter drooped. SUPPLY —CONSULAR ESTABLISHMENTS. The House went into Committee of Supply, Mr. BER set in the chair. 14 1 311 the first vote being put, that a sum not exceeding , f 8,49 01. be grented to her Majesty to defray the charge z ‘ ce nsular establishm ents a b roa d, thigh' URQUEI.A.IIT rose to propose the reduction of ~ vote by a sum o f 4 000 1 T he H on. G ent l eman ' s roll was scarcely audibl e at i n t erva l s , f rom t h e imps ths al io which was evi nce d r a y the Heuse He referred to answer given by the Noble Loud opposite (Lord Pal altitia.r.aton) in reply to a question put to him by the COO - 1 ,4 " 60 which had been appointed to inquire into the sak e% of th _ Lonsuls, &c. The Noble Lord was asked whether in formed se who were appointed consuls were obli g ed to be the in respect to t h e l aws o f t h e coun t ries i n w hi c h 40 9 were l ocate d ? The Noble Lord said they were under e ot'hlisation to be coenisant of the laws of such foreign Vutries. When asked whether they were under any n to have a goo d k now l e d ge o f t h e l aws o f E ng- Co . the N o bl e L ord replied they ought to have. Now t:(ar. Urquhart) believed our consular establishments 2e Most defective. He had had some experience, and at ,Tere disorganised, more irregular, more disqualifying I n7tera for the performance of the office he could not ke ,,4 111 e. There was no pro gress i ve e d ucat i on i n the orioe as in the case o f th e militar and naval services. a the co n t rar y, the. French colonial system was well : r gallised, and those who were appointed to these offices possess local knowledge, and passed through a arse of examination. The Hon. Gentleman proceeded a nalyse the whole list of cons u l s , an d t h e sa l aries pi t ,elled to each, proposing reductions in a number of 4-7.76 P, making the a moun t i n th e t o t a l cost to t h e country ivool. less, triede question being :put, that the amount to be ( 1 48,4901) be reduced by a sum of 4,0001., s„,r!l PALMERSTON said that the Hon. Gentleman himself-,gs.he had different notions in regard to various topics on which he had spoken. The Hon. Gentleman u ? s g e at that our consular establishments were ill-or net ail and unequal to the consular establishments of r countries, Now he (Lord Palmerston) was, per .„ better qualified to speak to that point than the Hon. eon Gentleman. He knew more of the manner in wnich our to say, agents discharged their duties, and he ventured te _lay, without hesitation, that no consular establish tt.`o7l were better regulated than those of Great Bri truicaud, however well corresponding establishments of oar Oe o might be regulated. he was quite sure that any Who had held his office , would say that the duties of b ae nsular agents were discharged i n th e most e n t meaner. Our consulate was the most efficient, Vki:"eved, which existed. The duties of cons u l s were 4 4 2 3 ,e-they had to perform duties in regard to com vtld,"i'ai Matters, and in collecting valuable information, 9.14 -4 Was transmitted from time to time to his office th it ta th e Board of Trade, and he would venture to say Isc,c ls il l Point of efficiency and ability, our consular es hitiliZitaente, instead of censure, were deserving of the approbation. With regard to the various ap tille-g-"enta to which the Hon. Gentleman had referred, the "rat a n d f oremost was t h a t of a person who had I , ad ep - J at afortnne in another country to have a little diffe a r- Se w ith the Hon. Member, and that perhaps had i to„: 4 him in his wish to reduce the gentleman's sal , - ,"'„„Ent with regard to the appointment of the con ked.- ersaw, he was sure that any one who knew the d4i,af expenditure fir living in Warsaw for an indivi anu,, tug the reek of a gentleman, representing a 114; 41 7 like this, and compared his salary with that of see /.eagles officers of other countries, they would ai lkk et the salary given (1,0001.) was rather below that he, 4 , Position required. Tee Hon. Gentleman said tee ~,I , l o li have a consul with only 1001 a year in Paris, saVile 4 Y do you give a high salary to a consul in War ke,sl The ans wer was t hi s . I n P a ris the consul was ateb Y %person w h o h a d to f u lfil s ubordinate duties to the the r Illa ulor• He (Lord Palmerston) bad given him hip a n ti Of counsel i n or d er t h a t he might p rform cep tints f e t tl es of routine, but he did not receive his instruc tilui°l4 the Secretary of State. With regard to the ties tn - i n Wallachia, Servia, and Moldavia, all had du - N o Perform which were more of a political than a cotnesereial nature, and the parts of the world in tiltes e , til eY were es t a bli s h e d included countries of great 'roe and countries in which it was most imponant to and o r' rb cme who could give information, both political okecrsroraercial. Now it had happened that oue of their health was absent on a particular occasion from ill- Aa s e ' uat it w as not to expected that,because a man a l iuttl he should never have leave of absence. L 'llh a e tt ll t " le acll°to . consul-general at Constantinople, the Hon. that he ought to have his salary reduced, eaus e tun ad the o f f i (Lord Palmerston had inte n d e d t o a b o li s h mis' c e. Now he, being at the time in that state of Dai,Jrrnation in which the Honourable Member ap fopnydu to be, did entertain such an idea; but when he theueh t t , ils ? importance which attached to the office he tiley b e it Was perfectly right to coiatinue it. But if ties, Lore to have consuls-general, with .important du qni dutiesred it'yosmercial as well as judicial, to discharge, such to was known the consuls to Turkeye than wer e t h r e e epd din as the salary to th r "PQnsibilities were entitled to. With regard i n n otmor tai t „"' e . aensul at Smyrna," the Honourable Gentl e; that 6001. a year was iufficient, instead of 8 00/., tee, ha t as the Special Committee on official salaries t,,rnmended 5,0001. as the salary for an ambassador, I ,y e i. would be enough for a consuL Therefore, without Z e rence to circumstances, the Hon. Gentleman pro lidttisoo/. He could not consent to adopt the arbitrary e 7_ 1 4.. of the . Hon. Gentleman. With regard to the iii is ou itiFral in Egypt, the Hon. Gentleman observed; Ba t abolished the office of consul-general in Syria.' t ato '?_n was an appointment which was made after the im portant in 1841. At that period he thought it ni, to have a person who was not merely a comma , b ri '__u a t . lt a political character, of the rank of consul eki,7 I ; but he thought that the same reasons no longer kdea ted tor the continuance of that office, and he took til tu _tage of these facts and abolished the one office, ep„,,avitig several hundreds a year to the country, by hop P il a ti,,ng the party as consul-general at Constanti thiklita Weree hereditary. assaht The Pacha received a fixed tri t the Sultan. He administered ce rtain local arrangements jo of his province, and to a ott er degree was governor in chief of the province d°! which he was Pacha. The consul general had 04" there to perform both political and commercial. h eirpa eel g a great thoroughfare for English travellers Vte re u g to and fro between India and this country, there upon the consul-general there hospitali- UN, w t h au ie P h Osed gam trenched greatly upon his income. In re that ( 0 Tripoli he (Lord Palmerston) intended p to abolish tibeo ° • rn e°. The proposal before tuonthe Treasury for its 44 tO the was only waiting for the receipt of information 00000 length of services of the consul and other facts in ooordeis_idering the cted therewith. He was quite of opinion that, condition in which that d.,ultry consul _ for place was, an ; hue s renuir was sufficient the discharge of the to t : lyti:ahl t t l k l u lertea _ea. In regard to consuls general of South I) . a sr TBked" „„, „,,,, 7 5 . 8 well known that their duties were diplo i,pahs well as commercial. The Hon. Mem ...tit-general of mor' er salary should be given to the con yohy, kusante Video than that of Buenos Ayres. theyplace use there was a plenipotentiary at the th i/ lighter upon t e h deties were consequently consider ,: consul -general e consul-general. But so far from thl need s (Lordm Venezuela being inefficient, as he plot gPritle taa , Palmerston) could assure him that Ple - "titl e" in hadrendered most valuable and impor tticte upon am dealing tt with the Government of that b 1411 Inereh aer of great importance to the whi ee ~ ants. There was a law enacted there heea,icittgb to _Government of Venezuela endeavoured to e ti t , by the PrOpel ty of merchants; `nand arr ed, a ,ement tho consul-general, ayer u ,.... u ! °num, upon the instructions of his own ""ut, he was enabled to pilkoe the mailer upon - THE SUN, LONDON, such a footihg as he trusted would very shortly bring aaout a sottlensr , ra of these accounts vatistactorily to the British merchants. In North America the salaries of the consuls depended latterly upon the tees received by them Fur the last four years. If. however, their fees fell off, that fact might form a good reason for restoring to them some portion of their salaries. The general result of what he had stated was thist—He had abolished the consul general at Algiers, substituting a consul and vice consul—he was going to abolish the consul-general at Tripoli—he had abolished the consul-general at Syria wi.hout any substitution whatever. The agents at the different ports in that quarter ware to report to the con sul-general at Constan inopte instead of reporting to the consul -general at Syria. There could be no g eneral rule as to any particular amount being applicable to all cases, as such amount must depend upon the nature of the duties performed, and other circumstances connected with the office. He had paid every attention to the subject, with the view of rendering these duties as effi cient, and the salaries as economical as possible, and he would continue to direct his attention to the same views, and to the abolition of all offices that were un necessary.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. ALCL)CIi wished to draw the attention of the Committee to their consular establishment at Peru. There was a heavy duty placed upon that most impor tant article connected with British agriculture—namely, guano, in Lima, and he could not help thinking, that if the consul-general there had exerted himself more much greater facilities would be given to the procuring of this article for the purposes of British agriculture. The Peruvian Government owed us a very heavy debt, the interest of which they were partially enabled to pay by the sale of guano here. They, however, limited their supplies to the British market, and he thought that their farmers to mark their displeasure at the conduct pursued by the Peruvian Government, ought to abstain from the use of the article for a year or so. Lord PALMERSTON could assure the Hon. Gen tleman that if guano was not more plentiful in this country it was not the fault of the consul-general nor of the British Government. The late Sir R. Peel, who took a great interest in this question, had endeavoured to persuade the Peruvian Government not to continue this monopoly, but rather to permit this guano to be sent over here in great abundance. The present Go vernment had twice attempted to persuade them to the same course, but without success. The Honourable I Member said that the sale of guano here had given the Peruvian Government the means of paying the bond holders of this country what they owed. That Government thought that by increasing the supplies the prices of the article would fall, and they, therefore, would not have such means to meet their engagements. He did not mean to say that that was a very sound , ar just reason, but still such was the fact. The mode by which the Hon. Gentleman proposed to procure a more plentiful supply of the article—namely, the adoption of the principle of prohibition, was, he thought, a very novel one —(Laughter.) He was rather inclined to think if' this privation was to have the effect of depriving the Peruvian Government of the means of paying their debt, they would be disposed to submit to it with greater patience than the agriculturists of Eng land would exhibit in submitting to the privation of guano.—(Laughter.) Mr. W. WILLIAMS complained of their expensive establishments at Constantinople, Paris, Madrid, and other places, where, together with consuls-general, they had ambassadors and attaches in great Lumber. lie also wished to ktoaw how the fees received by consuls were accounted tor, and whether they formed au addi tion to the salary ? Lord PALMER, ETON said that with regard to the duties e' the consulate at Constantinople, it was well known that British subjecto were not tried before the Turkish tribuuale, but befara the consular court, and that in consequence of the number of our lonian eubjec,s who visited Conslatltin , ple a good deal of business was entailed upon the consul. The Hon. Memb r said that he did not see why the British people should be taxed for the hospitali y of the consul. but there were others who did nut see why the consul should be taxed for English subjects travelling in the East. With respect to Buenos Ayres, that being a place of trade, it was impos sible fur the &Ilia eter to perform :he consular duties. The fees went to defray the expense of the consular es tablishment-, and an account of them was rendered to the Y-reign-office. Mr. LENNARD remarked that no notice was taken of the Consul at Rome is the estimates. He wished to know whether the Noble Lord had any objection to lay a statement of the fees received by consuls on the table of the House? Lord PALMERSTON said that the Consul at Rome had no salary. He had no objection to lay a statement of the fees on the table. The Committee then divided, when there appeared— Fur the motion ... ... 43 Against it ... ... 153 Majority against the motion ... —llO Mr. URQUEARI7 then objected to the vote for the salary of Sir James Brooke, not on account of the amount of the salary. but because Sir James Brooke was not only Consul bat Raja of Sarawak and Governor of Labuan, and because he was engaged in commercial pursuits. Lord PALMERSTON said that the salary was di vided between the two offices, and that Sir James Brooke was not at present engaged in trade. Mr. URQULIART said that he must object to the vote. Sir James Brooke had been engaged in trade, and the Noble Lord's answer was too general. Mr. HAWES could assure the Hon Member that Sir James Brooke had not been engaged in any commercial speculation whatever since he was appointed Governor of Labuan. The vote was then agreed to. 16,000/. for extraordinary disbursements of diplomatic missions abroad. Mr. EWART thought that some means should' be adopted for educating persons for the diplomatic ser vice before being appointed to it. He suggested that there should be examinations of all persons admitted to hold public offices. ma appointments Lord PALMERSTON agreed with the Hon. theMem cbaenrdiindateexpressed. He t thought t to thbeatall s for diplomatic sub jected to some such test as a previous examination. Mr. WILLIAMS objected to the charge for transla tion of documents, and other minor expenses. Lord PALMERS VON observed that where statis tical documents were required to be made up, and in a short time, it was necessary to incur the expenses; to which the lion. Member referred. Mr. URQUHART proposed to reduce the sum of 2,7001. for interpreters by 750/. Lord PALMERSTON defended the vote. Ho had applied some years ago to the Universities to have two or three young men sent to Constantinople to learn the Turkish language, so that they might act as dragomans. The vote was agreed to. The next vote was 180,205 L for superannuation al lowances. The vote was agreed to. The vote fur 2,1001 for the National Vaccine Esta bli,hoaent was passed after some discussion. 3 750/. for the expen•es of negro and Corsican sufferers we uo,d. rtood.—Agreed to. 3,2501. for the R loge for the Destitute.—Agreed to. 4 4501. for the Polish refugees and others —Agreed to. 6,1261.. allowance to ministers, Regium I lonum. The CHANCELLOR of the EXULIEQUER said the vote had been objected to, but it was the last time the vote would, be asked. Mr. WILLIAMS would divide the House against the vote. He would first move that the Chairman report progress. Mr. G. BERKELEY thought the Hon. Member ought to be satisfied with the Right Hon. Gentleman's pro position. Mr. KERSFI AW also thought the Hon. Member ought not to pie's the amendment after the promise which had been given by the Chancellor of the Exchequer. Colonel SIBTLIORY had no faith in Ministerial pro mises. He objected to the threat held out the ocher night by the Right Hon. Gentleman, that if the esti mates were not got rid of, the House must sit till the middle of August. He had no objection to sit till that time if the public interests require it. The Right Hon. Gentleman wanted to prorogue the House at an early day, that Ministers might go to their amusements and pocket their salaries all the time. He objected to going at the present railroad pace, especially when voting, money matters.—Vote agreed to. 650/. for the Foundling Hospital and House of Indus try--Agreed to. 9,783/. for House of Industry, Dublin. Mr. W. WILLIAMS moved that the chairman report progre ss . The motion was agreed to without a division, and the House resumed, The Mar r i ages (India) B ill was rea d a third time and passed. report o n t h e Merchant S eamen ' s F un d Bill, as amended,w Collectiona received.o f Fines, &c. (Ireland) Bill passed The business on th e paper was th en disposed thrTohueghotCheormmittee. of, and the House adjourned at a quarter to Two o'clock. HOUSE OF LORDS, July 17. The LORD CHA.NcEnnoit took his seat on the Wool sack at Five o'clock. MILI TIA BALLOT SUSPENSION BILL . This Bill passed th rou g h Committee . ASSE SSED TAXES COMPOSITION BILL. This 13•11 passed throug h Committee. HIGHWAY RATES BILL. This Plj B B i L I I W p a s l s V e t) d I t l b K r o S u ' it E ll I C S ( I ) l m E m ß i I t t E e eS, &c., BILL . On the motion of Earl GRANVILLE this Bill w as read a third time and pasted. PE FITIONS. The Earl of ENNISKILLEN presented a petition from Tyrone, praying that the Church Education So ciety might have a share in the grant for education. ST. ALBANS BRIBERY COMMISSION BILL. Lord BEAMUONT moved the Committee on this Bill. The circumstances of the case of Sr. Albans were nearly similar to the case of Sudbury. The Noble Lord then entered into a narrative of the mrcuinetsuces attending the late election for St. Albans, and the absence of the witnesses summoned to give evidence before the Com mittee of the Hotly() of Commons. The Bill then passed Ithiough Committee. JEWISH MIANCIPA HON. Lord REDESD ALE presented several petitions against 1 the a-tmission of Jews into Parliament; amongst others a petition from 261 members of the English bar. The Bishop of OXFORD presented several petitions with a similar prayer. The LORD CHANCELLOR then rose to move the second reading of the Bill for the amendment of the law regulating the administration of the °At% of abjuration. Th e Bill proposed to omit from that Oath the words '• On tne LI ue faith of a LilutyLtut-t." " the "'d' had tlh ' l* feet of excluding conscientious Jews from Parliament. The subject had been so often before their Lordships /111 " n9 Vhing Pert' new could be expected to be said on the subject. Argument the most convincing, elo- f threatened their Church was greater from Roman Ca quence the most brilliant, had been brought to bear tholics and Dissenters than it was from the Jews. He upon this subject; but yet that was no reason why they trusted he should not be charged with indifference to should abstain from the discussion of this subject. Pre. Christianity in advocating the omission of these words judicee the most determined had been found to give way from the oath. Far from their having any tendency to to argument, and therefore he called upon their Lord- elevate the moral influence of Christianity, he thought ships to discuss this question, which was nothing more it a dishonour-to it, even to supposes that it could be nor less than to extend the benefits of civil and religious so honoured or supported.—(Hear, hear.) He remem liberty to the Jews. When it was first proposed to admit bered having heard at church that we ought to show our foreign Jews to naturalization in this g Awry, such was the gratitude to Providence fur the great victories our ferment occasioned that their Lordships thought it ex- troops had achieved in India. Now, , he trusted that pedient to withdraw that boon; yet that boon had been whether under victory or defeat, calamity or prosperity, aubaequently extended to them, and now Jews were en- he should never be disposed, or any of their Lordships, tabled to hold the highest municipal offices. Their to show a disregard for religion, but how any prospe- Lordehips had always opposed a barrier to sudden rity or victory could be said to depend on those innovation. Their Lordships deliberated, and delibt- Jewish disabilities,, or, rather, Christian disabili rated cautiously, but when they saw that the sense of the ties—for such, he maintained, - was their real country was in favour of an alteration in the law, their nature—he was at a loss to comprehend ; and as to their Lordships deliberated and considered the subject, and if victories in India, he wandered where they would they saw no insuperable objection, they determined in have been, if those soldiers of our Indian army had accordance with the feeling of the nation. Five times been rejected, who would have refused, upon its being had the House of Commons determined in f a vo u r o f t en d ere d to them, to take their oath on the true faith of Jewish emancipation. It had been said that the a Christian.—(Cheers.) Why, nine-tenths of them were absence of petitions proved the indifference of the country, Hindoos, who, though they fearlessly marched to their but recent occurrences bad shown them that the people services in the field, they were jealously excluded from were by no means indifferent to the safety of the Estab- Parliament by this oath.—(Hear.) In conclusion, he lished Church, or of the Christian religion, and there- maintained that the electors had a right to demand this fore the absence of petitions showed that the people free exercise of their functions as British subjects and entertained no apprehensions as to the effects of the as Christians, and as followers of Him who declared passing of this Bill. Few, indeed, had been the peti- that his kingdom was not of this world, and disavowed Lions presented in opposition to this Bill.—(Bear.) to:his apostles all notion of political ascendancy, or of He called upon their Lordships to do an act of justice power to overthrow temporal dignity.—(Cheers.) to the Jews, and in so doing he would recall their Lord- The Earl of SHAFTESBURY much regretted ships' attention to the situation in which the Jews now that this question should have been again revived. stood. Their Lordships had consented to permit Jews Nothing new had occurred to alter any of their opinions. to be magistrates, and to fill all municipal offices. They The same proposition was now offered—the same resis might sit in judgment on life and death. We now tance offered, and it must be met again by the same ar depended on their oaths for the safety of all that guments, for the question was so simple that it could was valuable in society. They might determine not be regarded in different lights.—(Hear.) Now, he all questions relating to liberty and property, and no must first defend himself against • the charge of whisper had been heard against their administration of hostility to the Jewish faith. The objections justice. The obstacle which this Bill proposed to re- that he had how to urge, and had before urged move was the only barrier to the ambition of the Jews against the measure, did not arise front any such feeling to fill the highest offices. The British Jews were to all towards the Jews, but from circumstances which pecu intents and purposes British subjects, and as such were liarly affected them, and against which they could not entitled to the enjoyment of all civil rights. shut their eyes. • Neither did he say that they were an Ho freely admitted that no rights could exist incom- incompetent race to discharge the important functions patible with the capacity for the due and proper per- to which they were aspiring, far from it. Neither did 1 ' o formance of those duties ; but he contended that ther e he oppose the Bill, because, in number s , th ey were f e w. was nothing in the position or conduct of the Jews The principle upon which they (the:objectors) rested which would incapacitate them for the due performance was as goodlfor one individual as for a hundred millions. of the duties of the rights to which they aspired. They —(Hear, hear.) And still less did they seek to exclude were perfectly observant of the rights of property.—(A them, as had often been alleged, and alleged just now 'nigh.) He hailed that good-humoured admission of even, by the. Noble and Learned Lord the Lord Chan his argument as to the right of property ; and he hoped cellor, and in the last speech made on the subject by the that all his other arguments would be as unanimously late lamented Sir Robert Peel—still less did they op assented to. They were good subjects, they were no pose this Bill in any spirit of vengeance.. God torbid disturbers of the public peace or of the public religion. that any such thoughts should ever enter their minds I They administered justice uprightly, and they were But they had no warranty for executing any such a de therefore entitled to all the privileges of good and faith- cree as was now proposed to them on behalf of the tut subjects. Vattel had laid it down as a principle that descendants of the race 'that was stained with the sin in a civil state, although the Prince was bound to up- of the crucifixion. The real difficulty lay on our hold the established religion, yet as the State could know selves, not in respect of the Jewish people, but be nothing of religion, save by the acts of its professors, the cause of the vigour and intensity of our own principles. Prince was bound not to deprive any loyal subject of They would admit that the Jews were an intellectual his civil rights on account of his religious opinions, ex- race of men, and otherwise qualified for the business of cept in the case in which the subject should make his legislation; but it was necessary to recollect that their religious opinions a cause for disturbing the peace of very existence ,and professions were a protest against the State. Now, such could not be said to be Christianity itself. The Jew denied the true faith of a the case as regarded the Jews. The burden of proof in Christian, and he called on them to strike out these such a case rested with those who sought to exclude, words, as being improper or unnecessary. Now, be and no such proof could be brought against the maintained that no one had a right to make such a de- Jett s. Among the objections which had been brought mand as this. This was going beyond the legitimate against the J,.ws was that this was not their country. grounds upon which they were able to make concessions. He could nut understand this (ejection. Every Bri- This was not, a question of detail, but a principle. He tish Jew was as much a British subject as a Christian. maintained that they had no right to make any conces- He t:ppretm‘ied ,hat all Biitish auokett, without dis- sion of the kind. Here was a declaration which actn tinction of sect or religion, were entitled to the full and ally, or virtually, had excluded a Jew from Parliament free exercise and enjoyment of their civil and social for more than 200 years, and they were called upon to rights, without one single exception. In the language repeal it—not bechuse it was-improper or unnecessary, of a Right Rev. Prelate, he believed that all those rights but because it tended to exclude Jews from Parliament, were trusts, and that there must be a capacity for the who were the great antagonists of the Christian reli tull and faithful discharge of those trusts before those gion. If the question before us were the repeal of oaths rights could be claimed; but he did not think it would generally the debate would stand upon a different footing. be asserted that the Jews were incapacitated from ful- He was really astonished at the words that had fallen filling those trusts on the ground that this was not their from the Noble and Learned Lord on the Woolsack in country. He did not think that those who made us e o f this debate. " What had they to fear," said;he, and that phrase were aware of, or used it in its full extent. " did they think the Jews wished to Judaize the state?" They said the Jews were of no country, and, therefore, —(Hear.) They had no such fears, but they feared the ought not to be admitted to a free participation of civil sacrifice of principle, which was always perilous, and rights with the rest of their fellow-subjects. But why might result in the most melancholy consequences, were they of no country? Because until recently no though it might be impossible now to specify any one of country would admit them to enjoy their full share of them. Now it was a matter for serious and anxious civil and political rights. When it was said the Jews consideration, whether it would not be better to abolish were of n o country, the meaning was that they enter- oaths altogether, than to go on thus temporising year tained hop e s or looked forward to a period when they after year.—(Cheers.) He very much doubted the ex would be restored to the position of a united people.— pediency of making such a change. They might, per (Hear, hear.) But did that prevent them from haps, not have been of any great use. They had not being of any country, or if permitted to become part excluded infidels from Parliament, but let them under of any country, would they lose that for which stand the full value of the oaths at the table. It was they prayed and asked? The period when they might said that the oaths containing those words did not ex expect the accomplishment of the prophecies towards elude Lord Bolingbroke, Gibbon, and other infidels. which they looked, was somewhat uncertain, and were Bat, in regarding the declations of these men, as they to attach themselves to no country in the meantime? operating against the value of the oath, they took a He apprehended that the Jews who were born and bred very narrow view of the subject. 'These oaths were in this country were for all substantial purposes as much not to be taken as ithe private affirmations of the in subjects of her Majesty as the members of any other dividnal, but as the declaration of the nation itself. persuasion, and viewed themselves as being equally The whole nation could not take the oaths, and citizens of this country. Admit them to a perfect en- hence they were taken by its representatives in Parlia joyment of their rights, and he apprehended they would ment. He could not see why, whilst Bolingbroke soon see that every mark of distinction, social as well and Gibbon took that oath, and, by so doing, jeopar as political, would be speedily obliterated. The fact of dised their souls, , the principles of religion were the less the Jews having no country promoted no argument strongly asserted. He could not retreat from those against their admission to Parliament. They had no words, therefore, without consenting to;a sacrifice of prin divided allegiance. In this country give them the rights ciple, which must inevitably be followed by the most of citizenship, and there was no reason to believe that baneful consequences. He could not yield on this point they would not be equally loyal as any other olass of to an authority less than that which originally imposed subjects. Looking to their conduct under a system this limitation.—(Hear.) " of persecution, he argued that nothing what- The Earl of CARLISLE said, that with refenenoe to ever existed to warrant their further exclusion the question before their Lordships, after what lead fallen from the rights and privileges which it was from the Noble and Learned Lord on the Wooleack, and now contended they should enjoy.—(Hear, hear.) the Archbishop of the sister kingdom, he did tint think This, thank God, was a Christian country, and he be- it necessary to do more than occupy the shortest time lieved it would ever continue so. It certainly would not in recommending the Bill to their Lordships.--(gear.) become less Christian by admitting a few Jews into Par- With reference to the absence of petitions, he had only liament. What motive could the Jew have in impeach- to say that circumstance alone had prevented the pre ing the Christian faith, or in endeavouring to diminish sentation. of the unanimous petition of the corporation the weight and authority of the Established Church? of London, in favour of this measure. He did eot think When did the Jew ever attempt to make proselytes? much of the religious argument against the admission of He was interested in preserving the prosperity of the Jews to Parliament, and could not bring hi mse lf to be country, because it tended to the prosperity of his own Rave that there was the slightest dan ger t o Christianity property. What breach of conduct in the Jew, as a from the presence of Jews is the oth er House of Parlia citizen, disentitled him to Parliamentary honours? If ment. The existence of this oath so far as it excluded they wanted specimens of adherence to faith and sub- the Jews, was a mere accident. They wordsiwere intro lime truth, they would find it in the ancient Jews. As duced with reference to no religious circumstances. The good citizens, and as men faithful to their creed, they question now wasdwas it advisable to retain them? He were clearly entitled to that which they asked. Why doubted whether, if they had not been there, either of the then withhold from the State the benefit of their wisdom Noble Lords opposite would have been bold enough to and experience? Their Lordships having had this propose such a test.—(Hear, hear.) He thought that subject so frequently under their consideration would great risk would follow from the continued deal with it with that attention, intelligence, and isd o m of their Lordships to this Bill,:and he felticonvjaced that, which t he attributed to them. He asked them to do jus- sooner or later, their Lordships would consent to this Lice and love mercy, confidently calculating on their Bill, and terminate the struggle with adoption of the Bill.—(Hear, bear.) the other House, by allowing the second reading of this Lad NELSON moved that the Bill be read a second Bill.—(Cheers.) that b. cause the Jews were admitted to offices of civil called upon to renounce the Christiania time that day six months. It was no 'argument to say The Earl of WINCHILSEA the e lectors and responsibility they should be allowed to have seats in and if they did so they would offend the great body of Parliament. There was a vast difference between ad- the people of this country. Was it a matte,' of perfect ministering and making laws.—(Hear, hear.) The Noble indifference to this great country what Lord on the woolsack had not attempted to touch the professed ? For the Jewishreligion a man sin argument that the words—. on the true faith of a cure respect, but iu their favour p h Christian," introduced into the oath, were intended to abandon the Christianity of the State.—(Cheers.) d o n be o ers Teu" exclude the Jews from Parliament. It was perfectly The Earl of WICKLOW confessed e. ( hal it appeared true the Legislature was not bona fi de of a Christian to hirn•that it was just because they were t a Christian character, but from that fact the religion of the Church country that no danger could arise from the admission and State had been greatly shaken, and was it right to of Jews into Parliament. But, notwithstanding the add to insteud of diminishing the anomie') ? The as- profession of such principles, he had the strongest ob sembly was professedly Christian, and it they allowed jection to this Bill, because it did not abolish oaths alto the Jew to take his seat in Parliament without using gether. This Bill differed from the Bill of 1849. the words "on the true faith of a Christian," how far He did not think the Government wits justified in could they exclude the professors of any creed? On these making these alterations.—(Hear, hear.) Ho firmly grounds he opposed the Bill, he concluded by expressing believed that there was a moral and religious feel an earnest hope that it would be rejected. ing in the people of this country that they would de- Lord WODEHOUSE briefly stated his reasons for cline to take these oaths, and he was of opinion that if supporting the Bill. The object of introducing the the mass of the people were obliged to take these oaths, words "on the true faith of a Christian" into the oath, a feeling would speedily be raised which would compel was riot, as the Noble Earl opposite had said, with the the attention of the Legislature. It was on the grounds view of excluding Christians, but to give more than an he had stated, that he refused his assent to the second ordinary degree of solemnity to the oath. He observed reading of the Bill; but in the event of their Lordships with regret that the Bill before their Lordships had been acceding to the second reading, it would be easy in Com framed so as to apply to gentlemen professing the Jewish mittee to make those alterations which, in his opinion, religion atone. He thought they should admit toParlia- he considered to be necessary. meat those who professed any religion whatever. There The Duke of ARGYLL, after referring to the speech might be state grounds of policy for excluding some citi- of the Noble . Earl (the Earl of Shaftesbury), said he zone from political rights, but he did not believe that if could not easily forget being . present a few years ago at they rejec ted this Bill on religious grounds, they would a public meeting in Glasgow, to which the Noble Lord act in the spirit or essence of their sacred religion. at the head of her Majesty's Government had been in- Amongst the most eloquent and able opponents of the Bill vited by the people of Glasgow. He (the Duke of Ar had been, the Right Rev. Prelates beside him. He yen- gyll) had attended that meeting, and he had heard with tured to ask them where they found any authority, orsha- infinite surprise and regret, the Noble Lord say that, dow sanction, for the idea, that where Christians were for the purpose of keeping up a spirit of persecution, the teiajority in a country, it was their duty to reserve for the House of Lords had refused their assent to the themselves the exclusive possession of civil privileges. measure of that day in favour of the Jews. He If the argument upon which Jews were to be excluded (the Duke of Argyll) deprecated such observations. from Parliament were to prevail, on what ground could He believed the Jews were not actuated by a prosely they justify the admission of Catholics and Dissenters? Using spirit. But the Noble Earl said, that so far as But if this oath was any safeguard for the great principle they went they were hostile to Christianity, and that it of their Constitution, he wondered how it had happened was no answer to his object, to say that only a few could that they could have allowed the avenues to that great be introduced into Parliament, and that it was the prin part of the Constitution—the House of Commons—to be ciple he contended for. But this argument was contra vitiated by the elevation of Jews to the highest munici- dieted by the fact that the Jew was admitted to thelelec pal offices.—(Hear, hear.) They allowed men of that five franchise. He was an elector, and therefore exer persuasion to acquire the confidence of their fellow - citi - (deed legislative power, although he admitted it was in zees, and to rise to places where they might naturally a miner degree. With reference to the admission of look forward to a seat in Parliament, and then they avowed infidels into Parliament, Bolingbroke and Gib turned round upon them with this pretence of an oath, bon had been referred to, and the Noble Earl said that and refused them to enter. That was not a consistent although the House knew the fact, it was with great oath to take, and he hoped the House would put an end pleasure they were called upon to declare on the faith of people head n the nyt ee oyr fti,titwcnhoeeedr opposition_ Ss_ t n State, to the grievance by the adoption of this Bill.—(Hear.) a Christian. Now he (the Duke of Argyll) felt no plea- The Archbishop of DUBLIN and Lord Shaftesbury sure in such things, for b e such such a man to k Right Reverend Prelate. On this question, and on oath, and so to add hypocrisy to his other offencee s that debated the other night, he thought at the The Earl of SHAFTESBURY disclaimed usi ng t h e present time exactly as he had done for many years. words imputed to him, and explained that what he had He had never advocated the admission of the Jews into said was, the act of taking the oath by such men as Parliament, but be had all along advocated the expedi- Bolingbroke and Gibbon was jeopardising their co n . e: l e; e t t o o r r, eney of leaving the question to the electors. He did not sciences. think more of restricting the Jews than he did of re- The Duke of ARGYLL said that bore hingtout in striction on Mahomedans or Hindoos, but he contended what he had said.—(Hear.) In so far as the conch-- whether for the removal of all restrictions whatever from the tuency was concerned, in electing a representative they civil danger elector s — sh ( o H u e ld ar,hear)—unless it could be shown that were called on to elect a Christian, and notwithstanding was likely to ensue. For him, it was not they knowingly elected an infidel, and the House of Jews sit in Parliament, but whether Christian Commons, with that knowledge, called on him to take fit.—(Bear, hear.) O n thi s have a ri g ht t o ele c t whom they thought the oaths.--(flear.) It was not contended that the Jew point, however, he must would be hostile to their ecclesiastical Establishment. express his full coincidence in the opinion expressed by It was not contended that be would be as hostile as the Noble Lord who had just sat down, but this Bill Dissenters w ho h ad been admitted.— (Hear , hear.) did not take a pr o p er hold of the subject. His view After some further remarks the Noble Duke concluded was, that they ought to remove all religious dis- by saying that he was prepared to vote for the measure iii coon whatever, either duae..r, g pen-tities or im- on broad and general principles.--(Hear.) H e had a posing civil disabilities, unless it could be shown great reverence for the princiVe propounded by Dr. that those religious distinctions were in some way Arnold, as to the connexion of the Church with the or other connected with some civil dangers. In State, but it appeared to him that the spiritual alandth the the present ques tion t h at had not even been suggested. civil must be wholly se p arated.— ( Hear, hear.) That ho He was far from sa y in g that there was no political was prepared to affirm, and according to h constitu dangor in admitting Roman Catholics and Dissenters ; lion of Parliament, it - was wrong that men should be hut he thought they ought to brave that danger, rather wholly excluded from taking their seats, who were ( n ee & d art, as they would have departed, had they eon- otherwise come event, on purely spiritual grounds. tinned to exclude them, from the spirit of the Christian The Bishop of NORWICH agreed that this oath religion. But there was no doubt that the d anger that was not intended to be made a religious test. Hew, he ~~... ~ FRIDAY EVENIN U, UL 18, 185.. would ask, would the Christian religion be affected by this measure? Did any man think, if they passed it, there would be fewer Christiana in the country than before?—(Hear, hear.) Did any man think that the Christians who elected Baron Rothschild and Mr. Salo 'none had any greater sympathy with those of the Jewish persuasion than any other body of Christians? 1:e therefore maintained that the measure before them was incapable of inflicting injury on the Christian re ligion, but he did think they were inflicting injury on the Christian religion by year after year refusing their assent to the measure.—(Hear, hear.) Such being his opinions, he should give his vote in favour of the second readieg of the Bill.—(Hear, hear.) Lord ABINGER and the Bishop of Oxford roso to gether. The latter having resumed his seat, the Noble Lord proceeded to address the House. He said it ap peared to him that the Jewish nation had not a right to ask to be upon an equality in the eye of the law. He held that every nation had a duty to perform to itself, and that duty was to deny political power to those who differed so widely from the people of this country as the Jews did, and whose feelings were altogether GO different. He had no objection personally to sit by a Jew, but if they once admitted members of that body to scats in the Legislature, the influence and charaeer of their Lord ships would sustain a severe blow.—(Hear, hear.) The Earl of GALLOWAY said it was an admitted scriptural doctrine that without faith they could nut please God. Now the Jews not only had not that faith, but being wholly unconverted to Christianity, they could not have it. Therefore, in the administration of the af fairs of the nation, they would reject the truth, and for that reason he looked upon them as utterly disqualified from acting as legislators. [When the Earl of Galloway commenced his brief ob servations, the Bishop of Oxford, who evidently was most anxious to take part in the debate, left the House. The Right Rev. Prelate remained away but a minute or two, but when ho returned he found, to his great astonish ment, that not only had the Earl of Galloway concluded, but that the Lord Chancellor was in the act of winding up the debate by a reply. This eiroumstcnce caused some merriment among their Lordships.] The LORD CHANCELLOR would not detain their Lordships many minutes with his observations in reply. He admitted that there was a difference between the making laws and their administration. Bat the value of their laws mainly depended on the manner in which they were administered, and Jews were now a party to that administration. If they continued to reject this Bill, and to oppose that which must be taken to be the sense of the country, they would not increase the love and respect now felt in their Lordships' House.—(Hear, hear.) They might be persuaded to reject the Bill, but let them not persuade themselves that it would not be presented to them again and again until it was ultimately carried. The Noble and Learned Lord suddenly re sumed his seat, so suddenly, indeed, that the Bishop of Oxford failed to observe his Lordship, and again lost the opportunity of addressing the House. Contents (for the motion) Proxies Non-contents B2 Proxies Majority against the Bill Their Lordships then adjourned. THE LAW OF MORTMAIN. Yesterday the Committee of the House of Commons, appointed to inquire into the Laws of Mortmain, was excessively crowded during the day, from the fact of its being known that his eminence CardinalWiseman had been summoned to give evidence before the Committee. There was a great crowd of Members of Parliament, clergymen of the Church of England, Catholic priests, and no small number of ladies. The Committee consists of eighteen Members, of whom Mr. Headlam is the chairman. The other Members are the Attorney-General, Lord John Manners, Sir R H. Inglis, Mr. Drummond, Mr. Anstey, Mr. Hutt, Mr. Fitzpatrick, Mr. Adair, Mr. Roundi 11 Palmer, Mr. Heald, Lord El. Vane, Mr. !lardcastle, Mr. Monsell, Mr. Napier, Mr. Keogh. Tha Earl of Arundel and Surrey had also been cast for the Committee. The CHAIRMAN addressing the Cardinal (who, to the disappointment of the public on the occasion, sate with his back to them throughout the examination) said, the Committee have referred to yott as the best authority, probably, on the subject of Catholic matters in this country, wishing to know your opinion on the law of Mortmain as it affects property devised to Catholic com munities. Do you consider that the Catholics of this country look upon these laws and the administration of justice by the tribunals of this country with distrust? Cardinal Wiseman—l do not. The CHAIRMAN—Do you know of anything upon which the Catholics of this country object to our pre sent laws of Mortmain? Cardinal Wiseman—No, ex cept it be property devised for what are called supersti tious uses and masses for the dead, which members of what is called the Established Church may look upon as superstitious, but which Catholics do not so consider. The CHAIRMAN—Have Catholics any objection to the administration of the same laws in reference to their charitable trusts as are administered in a Protestant community?—The Cardinal knew of no objection; and then went on to say that in the case of money devised for the purpose of saying masses, the money, unless it were a very smell sum, did not go to the priest in the way of a small sum, as a personal gift, in which case it was left with the priests. The larger sums were invested in the name of trustees in the usual way. Had known such a sum as 504 to be invested, and the uses to which such moneys were applied were for the endowment or foundation of a new church, or to the establishment of some ministry in connexion with it. In the case of a person entering a convent, a previous contract was en tered into with reference to their property; sometimes part of the property was given to the convent, and part to the relations. In the case of persons to whom money was bequeathed while they were inmates of the convent, it was not in this country always considered that it be came the property of the convent, but it was, generally speaking, at the disposal of the party herself to give to relations, and he had known cases in which that had been done. The CHAIRMAN remarked that a case had occurred in Belgium where the superioress of the convent had tried the question of the right of the convent to pro perty bequeathed to inmates of the convent; to which the Cardinal replied that that was in Belgium, bat in this country the persons had a legal right to dispose of any property left them. The CHAIRMAN asked whether considerable dissatis faction had not prevailed among the Cath o li cs a f ew years ago in reference to the law affecting trusts of pro perty for charitable purposes?—The Cardinal replied that some Bills had been introduced, one under the auspices of Sir J. Romilly, butit was a question whether it was not an unfriendly Bill, and ho opposed it, or did not coincide with it. He (the Cardinal) had not pledged himself actually to any Bills introduced; but ho thought a different feeling now prevailed, and that the Catholics continued as they were. He did not think that the Catholics were favourable to any legislative in terference in matters of this description, as they had had some lessons from late events, and looked on legislation of that kind with distrust. In answer to further questions as to the power of the propaganda affecting spiritual and temporal ques tions submitted to their jurisdiction from this country, and as to the power of the Catholic archbishops upon marriage miters, the Cardinal said be had already ex plained his views on these matters to previous Com• mittees of the House of Commons when he had given every information in his power, but at the present moment he was under entirely different circumstances. Au Act, a declaratory Act, was pending before the Legislature of this country, but which was to be re trospective in its operations, which rendered him liable to certain penalties, or to the information of any com mon informer, in case of his acknowledging any official communication with the see of Rome. On questions, therefore, relating to subjects which would require his admission of communications with the see of Rome, ho must respectfully decline to giza answer. The CHAIRMAN observed, that whatever was said they would have the protection of the House of Com mons. The Cardinal replied, that that did not alter his opinion. lie had known cases where the protection of the House of Commons did not avail. Was not aware that any portion of funds bequeathed by the Catholic community for charitable purposes were not administered strictly within the intention of the donor, and it was not within his own knowledge as regarded any property over which he (the Cardinal) had control. Property, in some instances, might be applied not improperly, accord ing to the spirit rather than to the letter of the bequest —a fund might be applied to a purpose analogous to that for which it was intended. If a priest of the Catholic Church received a legacy it was his own property, and if the case was in England he treated it just as he pleased. If he (the Cardinal) had a large sum of money given him he should apply it to his own purposes, and not altogether or specifically to ecclesiastical purposes. In the case of gifts of this kind to priests or prelates of the Catholic Church, the disposal would be dictated by their own conscience, and according to the ties operating on them. If he (the Cardinal) had a legacy left him of 1,0001., without any particular conditions attached, he should not consider it was necessary to apply it to any particular purpose. With respect to secret trusts, and the secret disposition of property, was of opinion measures might be taken to secure their application to ecclesiasti cal purposes, and ho would much rather have it so. Al ways individually, in matters concerning the bequeathal or disposition of property acted under legal advice, and according to his sense of duty. As regarded the main question before the Committee, and their re lation to the Catholic community, was of opinion that a question might arise as to whether the laws of Mortmain, as opposed to any other laws, were just. Judging from his own conviction of the policy of the Mortmain laws, and that they were not in accordance with other laws, did not think it would be indispensable to insert clauses in any measure rendering publicity in all matters of charitable bequest necessary. Thought that any legislation that affected the charitable trust of any other body should give equal security and protection to the Catholic body, and was not prepared to say that ' there should be any clauses exempting Catholics. The property of Roman Catholics in England generally was in land rather than money. The above is the substance of the Cardinal's examina tion, many parts of which, owing to the crowd, and from his back being turned, it was difficult to catch. At three o'clock his Eminence, bowing to the Committee, who acknowledged it, loft the committee-room with the Rev. Mr. Serbs, his secretary, and was followed along the lengthy corridor by the crowd, until he reached his 3 carriage in Palace-) ard, and drove off rapidly. DEATH OF THE EARL Cr CHARLEVILLE.—It is with great regret we have to announce the death of the Earl of Charleville, which sad event t , uk place suddenly on Monday last in the neigt , h)urhood of London. By his de cease, a vacancy occurs in the representative Peerage of Ire land. His Lordship is succeeded in his title and estates by his eldest son, Viscount Tullamore, now Earl of Charleville. v..Evenixe Mad. THE CRYSTAL PALACE. --- FIRST AND SECOND EDITIONS OF T 11E OFFICIAL CATALOGUE. The remarks which have been indulged in by so me of our contemporaries, with respect to the Offic I Catalogue of the Great Exhibition, together with t a re-perusal of the " Second corrected and I:nprov ed Edition," induce us to make a few observations up m the work and its predecessors. The world is gen ,- rally pretty critical upon catalogues, and every or re feels quite competent to judge of what no one ca a produce to the satisfaction of any human being, him self not excepted. The first edition of the catalogue was produced on. the morning of the opening of the Exhibition, and was, hailed as one of the wonders of that eventful day., - It was soon discovered that it contained a consider- able number of errors, and it was as mercilessly criti-• cised as it had before been liberally praised. How many of those who were most forward to complain, knew anything of the difficulties that had been over come, as compared with those which had defied the- • compilers, and remained, in their effects, stubborn witnesses of their own indomitable character? We will not attempt to answer our own question, but, r. briefly state a few of the peculiar circumstances which affected the work. In the first place, it was at press before the goods were in their p laces— nay, before many of them had arrived. Why such haste, a reader may urge ; would it not have been preferable to wait a ' month rather than produce an imperfect work ? TO this we reply, in the first place, that if the im- • perfect work had not been produced, the improved edition would never have seen the light; and, in the second place, had the Exhibition been opened and the catalogue not ready, the outcry would have been. loud and continuous against all concerned in the ma-. nagement. The first edition was a necessity, and must be regarded as produced under pressure. We live in a railroad age, everything is expected to be great, rapid, and cheap. We grumble every day that London is so lar ge th a t it wears us out in body or ruins us in cab•hire, yet who is there that writes. " London" in his address that does not boast and feel proud of its miles and millions. We complain loudly enough when we are obliged to scamper across the mud to save our lives or our clothes, from a cab steal-- • ing over 141'Adam at the rate of twelve miles an hour; ' yet we know that society does and will go at that: pace, all the gouty old gentlemen, " unprotected fe- • males," and helpless children in the " Great Metro polis" notwithstanding. We cry out every day of our lives that things are too cheap to be good ; and yet it is perfectly well known that, except the most extraordinary talent or the most admirably managed puffing be employed, nothing will sell that costs more than a shilling. In accordance with these undeniable facts, the catalogue of the largest and Most various j 1 collection that was ever brought together since the world began was brought out with unheard of cele rity—so large almost to require a page to carry it, and at about the price per pound that we give for our butter. Of course, every one knows how to make a cata logue. The thing is simple enough; the objects are carefully examined, and their relative position accu rately ascertained ; the descriptions are then put down'in precisely the same order in the manuscript, which is sent to press, carefully set up, and carefully revised, and afterwards carefully put together by the binder, and then issued to the world, or rather to the trade, without a single error, as we know catalogues always are, or should be, if they did but follow the simple rule of their nature. There were a few points, however, in the compilation of the Exhibition cata logue that did not exactly coincide with this sim-• plicity. In the first place, there were about sixteen thousand exhibitors, who dated from all parts of the world, and had determined to send some contribution to the exhibition ; to this small body of contributors the compilers had to look for their materials, the officers of the executive committee supplied the , numbers to be attached to these interesting para graphs, and we believe that the greatest pains were taken by all concerned to make the arrangement systematic and convenient : the numbers were to run from left to right, like books upon a shelf, so that the visitor would have nothing to do but to walk in the prescribed course and find number two next to number one, number three next to number two, and so on from Alpha to Omega. We doubt not it looked most complete upon paper, and would have been highly satisfactory but for a few trifling and unfore seen accidents, which we shall point out. Some few hundred of the exhibitors sent in no de scriptions at all, either in groundless apprehension of being charged for their insertion, or in obedience to the laws of procrastination and forgetfulness. Others sent descriptions, but were not equally punctual with regard to the goods themselves. The former were astonished, when the catalogue appeared, that the officials had not supplied above four-fifths of thiir omissions, and the public were equally surprised that one steam-engine, a brass saucepan, an aerial machine to carry forty people, a sample of treacle soap, a. newly-invented .patent lucifer match-box, and a glass. walking-stick, were to be found, like the carpenter's nails in "Joe Miller" "in the and no- , where else. Again, when the goods arrived, they most obstinately refused to fit the, places assigned to them on the plan. A " specimen of granite" arrived in state, with a train of horses nearly as long as the Crystal Palace itself. One " specimen of copper ore," took ten men to get it out of its carriage, while another came in the waistcoat pocket of a celebrated professor ; some. specimens of crystalised salts were mistaken, on their arrival, for models, on a large scale, of the great Derbyshire caves; and a sample of hops certainly came in a " pocket," but it weighed .5001b5., and could be further compressed. Six feet four could not be placed next in the rank to four feet six, so number one was put on the floor and number two at the top of the wall, just as pictures are arranged in every ex hibition in the United Kingdom, and, doubtless, everywhere else ; but human work, which passes well enough under ordinary circumstances, looks ter ribly rough and clumsy when brought under the microscope ; and this fact never was more strongly illustrated than in the case in question—fifty irregu larities, which involve a walk of half a quarter of a mile each, take off the edge of a man's good temper, eat considerably into the longest day, and call down upon the unfortunate catalogue-maker epithets nei ther laudatory nor complimentary. No wonder then that the first, and even the second issue of the catalogue was imperfect, and that com plaints were not, like angel-visits, few and far be tween. The compilers set to work to remedy the evil, and the second issue was a decided improve ment on the first ; but down to the time of the issue of this latter edition, some parts of the collection were still unarranged, and the pressure upon those who did the work of the Exhibition was still so en grossing, that it was almost impossible to attain to anything like a satisfactory result. During the last few wees, however, matters have assumed a settled aspect, and the 'effect of this is evident in this new and really corrected edition, which has been revised with very great care. It also contains a large amount of new matter, the whole of Turkey and India being additional, besides numerous items in the French, American, and other departments. The table of contents has been entirely remodelled and much extended, and will be found to furnish a complete guide to the various parts of the Exhibition, as well as a key to the catalogue. I say confidently, that if visitors will look through the contents, and will take the trouble to read the introductory re marks with which Mr. Yapp has prefaced the work, they will find the plan of the catalogue simple, and its execution satisfactory ; but if they will look for No. 10 of Class 20 in Class 10, and laboriously persist that the Russian vases are not in the cata logue, because they cannot find them, either in Tunis, America, or Florence, they will themselves be great losers in point of information ; and will commit a great injustice on the contractors and all engaged in the production of the catalogue, if they condemn before they have taken the trouble to make an examination, which will cost them at the utmost ten minutes time, and amply repay them for its dis bursement. THE EXHIBITION IN HYDE-PARK.—A meeting of the Manchester local committee was held on Thursday af ternoon to petition the Legislature to continue the Crystal Palace, in Hyde-park. The meeting was not very nume rously attended. Mr. John Potter, the Mayor of Manchester, presided. A petition, drawn up for the purpose, was agreed to, and will be forwarded to both Houses of the Legislature immediately. [ADVERTISEMENT].—THE GREAT ExHIBITIoN.— A valuable, newly-invented, very small powerful waistcoat pocket glass, only the size of a walnut, to discern minute ob jects at a distance of from four to five miles, which is found to be invaluable at the Exhibition, and to Sportsmen, Gentlemen, and Gamekeepers. To be had at 39, Albemarle -street, Piccadilly, opposite the York-hotel. Opera and Race-course glasses with wonderful powers—a small object can be clearly seen from ten to twelve miles distant. Telescopes—a new and most important invention in Telescopes, possessing such extra ordinary powers, that some, 3i inches, with an extra eye piece, will show distinctly, Jupiter's Moons, Saturn's Ring, and the Double Stars. They supersede every other kind, and ai:e_o a. all sizes, for the waistcoat pocket, shooting, military, ana,_ff e purposes. Messrs. S. and B. SoLommis, °Ptieim"e9cliantaely invented invaluable preserving Spectacle Lenses ! lie rn ct appears they are placed before imperfect vision, every boeComes bright clear and distinct, the most aged defective sig and brilliant, is brought to its youthful, natur alht. and original state. The Invisible Organic Vibrator, and all xindustic 39, Albemarle- instruments for relief of extreme deafne • York oiio v : s Ointment en d street, Piccadilly, opposit e the ll w : [ADVERTISEMENT.] Pills.—Extraordinary Cure o fe n a Bad Foot. — Mr. Henry K letter newell, son of the late much respeLcotendn, survey or stated in o f the a South. to . ampton District of St. Pancras, London, rra Port Adelaide, that in his mother from Burrs 13a ! Adelaide, h his joul e was corapt•lied to walk 1 yto those mines trorn ' fo r ant o f a eanveyance, d • d • an , in doing so, he grazed, and afterwardsw poisoned his toot, which became to bad that he was n's care for m or e than two months without ob tainingunder a surge° relief; he was then induced to t ry Holloway's iO• any i nt- M eat and Pills, which, n three weeks, completely cured his was enabled to foot, and h e commence work without incon venience. —Sold by all druggists, and at Professor Holloway's Eetabliihment, 244, Strand, London, t 1 THE ROYAL AGRICULTURAL SOCIETY. Yesterday the ehow-y ar d o f the society was thronged _ with visitors brought down to Windsor by excursion_ trains running every half hour, at reduced fares, from - the Waterloo and Paddington stations. The prize ani— mals were nil examined with immense interest, and the display generally appeared to excel in attractiveness that of any former year. Tao society's meeting has lost nothing in palmier estimation from the absence of the agricultural implements, and even the increased time louting which the': took has remained open for inspection has not been lound to exhaust public curiosity. Not withstanding the excellence of the situation chosen for this annual fete, and the success with which it has been attended, it may now be fairly regarded as a subject of regret that it was not held more in the immediate vicinity of London. Had such an arrangement been made the inhabitants of the metropolis, and the im mense numbee of strangers at present sojourning among us, would have been equally accommodated, the funds of the society would have been greatly benefited, and a more complete opportunity would have been afforded for examining a display of stock unprecedented both in its variety and its ex cellence. That display is now over, and all that remains of it is the impression which it leaves upon the mind of the bounty of nature in supplying to the agricultural system of this country such extensive and admirable breeds of stock. For each description of land, for each diversity of vegetation and climate, we shall find an adaptation distinctly provided. The Cotswold•hills and the chalk downy, and the rich pastures of the midland counties, and even the coarse grasses of our Welsh and northern mountains, are all remembered in that wise and beneficent variety of sheep stock which the show yard at Windsor illustrates. In cattle the same law is more or less discernible. The North Devon., the Short horns, the Herefords, and all the other kinds exhibited, develop severally a peculiar fitness for the districts whence they chic fly come. Yet in none is the aptitude for certain localities so stringent that it does not admit of ample relaxation to meet the exigencies of markets and the wants of a comprehensive system of agriculture. In this remarkable year, when every branch of human industry takes stock for the past and girds itself for new efforts during the future, we earnestly trust that the farmers of this country will direct their attention more fully th an they have hitherto done to the endless diversities of p ract i ce, tempered always with a due re gard to the circumstance, of soil and climate with which Nature provides them. The display in the Home Park at Windsor establishes with a force to which language cannot do sufficient justice, the folly of obstinately oper severing in any one course of agricultural m anagemen t which has ceased to be profitable when so many others present themselves which, judiciously carried out, may lead to satisfactory results. Farming , like e very occn pation in life; has its lines of divergeao,, along w hi c h men must choose with discretion their path, for there is no royal road to success now which the uneducated and 1 the enlightened, the duped and the sagacious, th e needy r and the well-provided, can ail alike travel with confi dence. The repeal of the corn-laws has stopped up the only thoroughfare which bad acquired that reput at i on, and if, as a consequence of that great change, wheat has ceased to be remunerative, our agricultural practice mu s t be modified and altered until the disturbed balance of the markets is restored in our favour. It is not within the province of the journalist to indicate what course should be adopted, but looking at the varied fea tures of the cattle show just terminated, one cannot help thinking that au occupation which presents so many alternatives and choices in manufacturing the food of the people must alone be dependent for its permanent prosperity upon the independent energy and skill with which each man pursues its acts. Impressed with this conviction, we are anxious to see the Royal Agricultu ral Society extending its influence among the masa of our practical farmers. It has outlived an infancy ren dered doubtful by the patronage of the great, whose ha. niours and jealousies had to be conciliated in return. In its council and management some of the ablest and most enterprising of our agriculturists have gradually gained a secure footing. Traces of toadyism and clique infix. ence still remain, however; these will not be finally re moved until further steps are token to secure the co operation and sympathy of the tenantry as a body, an d to make them regard the society less as an association of amateurs, and more as identified with their own interests and progress. COURT CIRCULAR. The Queen held a Court and Privy Council at one o'clock yesterday, at Buckingham Palace. At the Court the Earl of Derby had an audience of the Queen, and delivered to her Majesty the ensigns of the Most Noble Order of the Garter worn by his father, the late Earl of Derby. Count Buol-Schaunstein, Envoy Extraordinary, and Minister Plenipotentiary from his Imperial Majesty the Emperor of Austria, delivered his credentials front his Sovereign. His Excellency was introduced by Viscount Palmerston, G.C.8., the Queen's Principal Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, and conducted by Colonel the Hon. Sir Edward Cust, her Majesty's Master of the Ceremonies. Mr. Sheriff Robert Walter Carden, and Mr. Sheriff George Edmund Hodgkinson were presented to the Queen by Viscount Palmerston (officiating for Sir G. Grey, the Homo Secretary), when her Majesty was graciously pleased to confer the honour of knighthood on both Sheriffs. Lord Harris was presented to the Queen on his return from abroad, by Earl Grey, Secretary of State for the Colonies. The Privy Council was attended by his Royal High. ness Prince Albert, the Lord President, the Lord Chan cellor, the Lord Privy Seal, the Secretaries of State for the Foreign and Colonial Departments, the First Lord of the Admiralty, the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lan caster, the Lord Steward, the Lord Chamberlain, the Master of the Horse, and the Groom of the Stole to the Prince. Her Majesty having been pleased to appoint the Might Hon. Charles Earl of Sefton to be Lord-Lieutenant, of the county of Lancaster, his Lordship took the out. tomary oaths. The Hon. William Bathurst was the Clerk of the Council in Waiting. The Marquis of Lansdowne bad an audience of her Majesty._ _ _ _ The Court was attended by the Treasurer of the Household, Viscount Combermere, Gold Stick in Wait ing; Lord Elphinstone, Lord in Waiting; and Sir Ed ward Bowater, Groom in Waiting. The Queen and Prince Albert, accompanied by the Princess Helena, and attended by the Hon. Lucy Kerr, Lord Charles Fitzroy, and Lieutenant-Colonel Francis Hugh Seymour, visited the Exhibition of the Works of Industry of all Nations yesterday morning. Her Ma jesty and the Prince remained one hour at the Exhitti• don, and then returned to Buckingham Palace. Her Royal Highness the Duchess of Kent visited her Majesty yesterday. His Royal Highness Prince Albert presided yesterday afternoon at a meeting of the Commission for Promoting and Encouraging the Fine Arts in the rebuilding of the Palace of Westminster. His Royal Highness arrived at three o'clock at the Palace of Westminster, attended by Lieutenant-Colonel F. H. Seymour. The Commissioners present were, the Earl of Carlisle, Lord Colborne, the Right Hon. Sir James Graham, and Sir Robert H. Inglis, Br;. The Secretary, Sir Charles L. Eastlake, and Mr. An. brey 13( zzi were in attendance. The meeting broke up at five o'clock. Prince Arthur and the Princess Louisa took an ailing in an open carriage and four yesterday. Her Majesty, accompanied by the Princess Alice and the Princess Helena, and attended by the Countess of Mount Edgecnmbe, took a drive in an open carriage and four yesterday afternoon. Lord Charles Fitzroy and Lieut.-Colonel F. H. Seymour attended on horse back. The Queen and Prince Albert honoured her Majesty's Theatre with their presence last evening. The royal suite consisted of the Countess of Mount Edgecumbe, the Hon. Amelia Murray, the Hon. Lucy Kerr, Lord Elphinstone, Lord Charles Fitzroy, and Lieutent• Colonel F. 11. Seymour. Ha. Majesty's private band attended in Buckingham Palace art.t r dinner on 'Wednesday evening, and played the following pieces:— Overture Romance L'Enfant Prodigue Auber. Cbosur et Couplets S Finale, First Act, “ ZAuberflote" Mozart. Her Royal Highness the Duchess of Kent, attended by Lady Augusta Bruce, Baroness de Speth, and 11 James Murray, honoured the R o y a l It a li a n Opera "" her presence yesterday evening. Her Royal Highness the Duchess of Glouces ter ho noured the Earl and Countess of Jersey with . her com. Thrke . may at dinner last evening, at their residen ce In J4V ley-square. • h a d an inter. at the office. of view with Lord Seymour yesterdosoys A deputation respecting the coal duties "cl and Forests, i n her Majesty's Commissioners of and Messrs. PI Ater, s agent), Mr. Trlylor Duke, Mr. Morton (Lord Whitehall-place. The Durhamdeputaticne,onsisted of Si T r y es , ae) , mr. Wood (li otton rchaat , (Dula) of Northumberland s Colliery), Mr. Davey, coal-mo Hill, and Milne, coal-factors. fr. . A M'Adam S , ecretary to Mr. Tennect, A LP " a o - flreland, had an interv' ' the Royal Flax Society eellor of the Exchequer, le" equer, at his yes terdayoffi- cial with the Chan Downing street. cial residence in D°w Secretary of Sir George G rey' i s recovering, an d Was much better_yes- Department , terday. mith, Superintendent Mr. Arrows Works at Malta, h a d . an interview with Earl Grey yes terday,at the Colonial-office. I • he Oxford University Commission had a meeting yester d a y, at the official residence of the First Lord of the Treasury, in D owning -street. Present—The Bishop of Norwich, th e n -- Dean of Carlisle, the Master of Pembroke, the Rev. H. G. Liddell,-J. L. Dampier, Esq., the Rev. Professor Powell, the Rev. G. H. S. Johnson, and the Rev. A. P. t. : 44nley (Secretary). BATTY'B HIPPODROME AT KENSINGTON.—This extensive circle, it is gratifying to hear, is now daily attended by the roost respectable assemblages; and the exertions of one of the most popular caterers for the amusement of the multitude is earning that success which he so richly deserves for his skill and enterprise. The unrivalled horsemanship and the wonderful feats which are performed at the Hippo drome justly entitle the establishment to be considered as among the first places of interest to be seen by holiday me tropolitans or country visitors. Miss C ATELERINE HA YES.—Maille. Hayes Etl3 arrived in Paris, previous to her professional trip to New York, for which she has refused very brilliant offers, both on the continent, and in England, Ireland, and Scotland. Aladlle. Hayes is under a per emptory engagement to return from America in the winter, having sign ed a contract to a ?_ pear in January at Rome, where, since her triumphs of last winter, they will not hear of any other prim a donna , —. IGalignani.