The Sun. — London, England, 1851-06-21 00:00:00

HOLLAND. The First Chamber of the States-General of Idol 'ad eame on the Ivtil to an important decision. It rejected by a majority of 19 to 14 the Bill adopted the Second Chamber, having for object to allow, e„ - A as indemnity, a pension of 2,000 florins a year to old members of the First Chamber, dissolved ac ' s.iig to the terms of the second additional article eie Constitution, and who had been named for life EGYPT. The Courrier de Marseille affirms that the execu tion of the railway between Alexandria and Cairo is postponed. Tne Pacha of EGYPT is said by some not to have sufficient money to bear the expense of Cab execution, which was to be confided to Mr. STEPIIENSOS ; but the above journal d ec l ares that the delay has originated in protests sent in against the undertaking by the Porte, Russia, France, and some other powers. TURKEY. The Marquis DE VALETTE, Envoy Extraordinary and Minister Plenipotentiary of the French Republic to the Sublime Porte, arrived is the Turkish capital on the sth inst., with his lady warl the attachgs of his lepton, by the Pluton steno-frigate. He was re ceived at the landing place N.7ith all the honours due to his rank. On the lOtla he had an audience of the SULTAN, and presented tlis letters of credence. The accounts from all parts of the country still continue to be unstre.sfactory. The dearth of rain is greatly felt. Publ'tc prayers have been ordered to be read throughout the country, calling on PROVIDENCE for the blessing,' of rain. Added to this, the locusts are ravaging The country. The cropa of the central provinces Asia Minor have been completely de stroyed, and it is apprehended that misery will exist in those parts. The Turkish fleet is being manned, ready for sea. ITALY. The Giornale di Roma, of :the 11th, publishes a decree, issued by Cardinal ANTONELLI, directing that the paper-money still current, amounting in all to and 3,710,000 sew:li (22,200,0000, shall be replaced by a new sort of paper-money , c alled Carta d! S rr to °g b a e . zione. They are to have f orced currenc y, divided into six series, the first five of which shall be of 600,000 scUdi (3,600,000 t.) each, and the last new ast shall contain the remaind er of the whole Su m. The bills are to be of 100, 50, 20, 10, 5 seuul A• , and one sold°, and to be detached from borders. THE FURTHER TRACES OIL SIR JOHN FRANKLIN'S EXPEDITION. (From the Aberdeen Journal of June 18.) We have lately received most unexpected and distinct confirmation of a report, which was current in 1848, upon the return of the Prince of Wales whaler, that when that vessel was in a sound, leading west out of Baffin's Bay, which was entered in a fog under the be lief that it was Lancaster Sound, a cairn of stones had been discovered at a very considerable distance from the en trauee. This account, which did not in 1848 receive the atten ticei and investigation which it deserved, has now been verified by the spontaneous testimony of one of the Ork ilflman, named William Millar, engaged to go out in the Prince Albert. His statement, which, if required, he would have confirmed upon oath, was made to Lady Franklin, Mr. Kennedy, the commander of the expedi tion, and M. Bellot, was formally attested by himself, and is in substance as follows.— " That, early in September, 1848, the Prince of Wales entered a sound in Baffin's Bay in very thick weather, the captain believing it to be Lan caster Sound. They proceeded slowly westward during some days, when the foe. lifted, and showed them high hand on the larboard side over the mast-head. The captain, being doubtful if it were the loom of icebergs or of lend, sent off a boat, which after a few minutes' pulling reached the south shore, where they landed, and above high water mark ob serve d s h oe pr i nts in the m u d , c l ose by a small cooking-place blackened by fire, and a little further on a well-built cairn, four or five feet high. This they had begun to pull down, when they were required to desist and return to the ship im mediately, as she was in a very dangerous position, the current driving her in shore. William Millar states that at this point the channel widened and seemed to enter an open sea, with islands. From the length of time oc cupied in getting out into Baffin's Bay, it appears that the vessel must have gone up about 100 or 156 miles, and the captain was well aware that he had not been in Lan caster Sound, a belief which was confirmed on passing the entrance to that Sound, as they proceeded south ward." It will be obvious that the importance of examining this cairn is enhanced by the fact that none was disco vered on Cape Riley, and thus it can hardly be over estimated. There is no doubt that it lies in Jones's Sound, long believed to lead directly into the sea north of the Parry Islands, by many deemed to be the Polar basin. And from the circumstance that an open sea was beheld to the westward, we have every right to the assumption that the point in question lies at the entrance of Jones's Sound into Wellington Channel, or rather, perhaps, we should say, at the junction of both with the Polar basin. The very existence of a cairn in this part is proof that beneath it lies intelligence of Sir John Franklin's expe dition, and its precise locality gives it an importance which may prove of inappreciable value. Let us, therefore, hope that the most effectual means wilt, without delay, be taken to secure to the searching squadron the benefit of the information to be obtained hem this spot. A powerful steamer would effect the whole in four months, and in urging this we do but ad vocate a measure lately resolved upon by the Admiralty, though unhappily abandoned, as we are led to believe from private and adverse influences. It is a matter of fact that Jones's Sound opens later than Lancaster Sound. Captain Penny fuund its entrance barred by heavy bergs in the middle of August, last year; while in the previous season (1849), Captain Greville, in the Abram, perceived no obstruction in the month of September. One of our large steamers could with ease be dispatched before the beginning of August, which would give ample time for her passage. After the ex amination of the cairn, a communication with the search bag squadron might be quickly effected, and her return at the end of the open season secured. We feel that the universal sympathy experienced in the fate of Sir John Franklin's gallant party will not be satisfied that a known deposit of information concerning them should be left nnexamined, and that the friends of the missing party have a right to demand an immediate investigation of these most promising and important cir cumstances. [We believe that Mr. Kennedy received conditional instructions to look into Jones's Sound, if he could do so without much delay to his voyage, but there is little hope that the Prince Albert will be able to accomplish this, as she will probably reach that spot before the ice opens, and will not of course wait. On every ac count, then, it is to be hoped that a Government steamer will be sent up to examine the cairn, and also to communicate with Captain Austin's squadron. In mak ing mention of the Prince Albert, we would call the at tention of our readers to the subscription list published in our journal yesterday, and earnestly entreat them to subscribe to the renewed branch expedition which has left our shores, and to save us from the stigma which must attach to us in the eyes of all Europe, if we allow Lady Franklin to bear the expense.] ,_ NE W CITY PRISON, HOLLOWAY. pri i h nei l oo n , e7 building is constructed upon the radiating with two having !bur wings diverging from one centre, n eat , wings isotherfor wings in front of the former—ono of tached ; the other rjuvenile offenders with schoolrooms at laundry, The for females with work-rooms and . other four radiating wings constitute the male adult P r "°h• These !ached, an d an g ap have large work-rooms at are 12 cells in e n Pa t r h atua for lifti ng water. The wings l g high. The corridors W ar it e . or about 100 f eet, and 3 stories to the arched ceiling, 16 feet w id e , and are open up cells. The cells ar e 13 n ,galleries leading to the upper water-closets, wash-h anci l i e_t_ . by 7 feet, fitted up with al p: of hot water pipes laid &c.: these are warmed h y ro 4 s e l a n , cupboard, table, stool, under the corridor floor, t h e in th r ti ling over them and through the flues, provided and etftering the cell over the door. hi t a of B 146 feet high, of itnes s of the wall, the roof, with pecious room 76 to be effected by means of a shaft ho ventilation is large dimensions. The chapel two 71 con veontitlaratPle feet by 40, and 48 feet to the ridge o f deg recesses for the females and invenileteanids tai n eittings for 380 prisoners. The kitch„ d'imensions, and being close to the base of the 'shaft, the steam and smell from the victuals w i li tg readily carried off. The well-house is to be fitted ~,al ' one of Mr. Bessemer's disc pumps, and to be work e d like a capstan, in a building 30 feet diameter. The whole „. tent of frontage next the Camden-road is of Kentish r ag with Caen stone dressings. The style is castellated Go. this. The sides of the chapel building and the b ack W ings are of brick: the windows to the cells have Park sPring atone • „.„ e o sills, with splayed brick reveals. The z.... ef the parapets are coped with Caen stone. The eunciin has been erected from the design and under the able s uperintendiance of Mr. Bunning, - the City ar chitect. M r j the clerk of. Jay is the contractor employed; Arr. Lawrie was 92,2931.;w0rk5. The original estimate for the build ingordbuet the committee considered that sum too large, and applied were given to cut it down. The pruning-knife ye as extent of 14,635/. l l:P i thed and it was reduced to the ins expected that the prison will be i ready for occupation the early part of next year.— i Builder. DR. liAnN's ANATOMICAL AlcrsEum Among the many attractive exhibitions with which . London now abounds, we know of none more w or th y of a visit than the beautiful Anatomical Museum of D r . K ahn.Th On the occa- in e . t.eo sion when we visited the Museum, a few evenings we for 1851, from this establishment, shows that NATIONAL VACCINE ESTABLISHAIRNT. Were much pleased to find the rooms thronged withn a vfsliors: all intently listening to the interesting explanation - 965 applications; 124,217 cases were reported a, vaccinated, to . rear 179,370 charges of lymph were supplied in answertlie past ion of the 1, ~nv , t a t ed, structure and functions of the human bodygiven vaccinated by the stationary of which 10,02 a were cci- L.ngli sh medical gen tl e man attached to the museum. by W e nators in London. Large supplies of lymph were forwarded among the rest, must compliment the talented lecturer for , to the West Indies. Besides a large and increasing d emand . the very lucid and able manner in which he treated the for lymph for military stations at home and abroad, ship s of • subject; it was highly instructive throughout, and the mime war, risons &c., supplies were forwarded to orth Americ a , roue audienc e appeared great l y p l ease d w i t h t h eir visit to- Australia, New Z. ealand, the Coast of Africa, the Philippine this attractive museum. Islands, and Hong Kong. The National Establishment had A Lam , AND HER DOG.—A lady in the western ale furnished a sup ply to Egypt, at the requesth of the part of this county has attracted some local e.ttenion by Vlceroy to Baden Baden, at the request o' t e h med b i een Or' marks of affection she has exhibited to the memory of authorities there It appears that vaccination as a dead dog. A correspondent reports to us as follows: extensively carried out at Bathurst; and hopes are enter . - `!:11%e dog was of some ugly breed unknown to me, and tamed that it will spread in the native tribes on the banks died lately. A painter was brought from Edinburgh to take of the Gambia. Ignorance and prejudice in the lower orders it:, likeness, fcir which he received the trifling sum of fifty of this country are stated to impede materially the spread of guineas. vaccination. A sculptor was brought from a distance to effect a , eadstone at the grave. Flowers and evergreens were I NAUGURATION OF THE STATUE OF POUSSIN.— planted round th e t om b, an d the whole dwith The' in auguration of the statue erected by his native town, substantial railing. The epitaph on was inclosed ,s a .the grave-stone is a- Andel7e, in memory of the celebrated painter, Nicholas cred to the memory of Viper!' "—Perthshire Acit • •erttser. 1 Pou.esin, was celebrated on SaudaY with great Pon l P. . C L u l r G ren E t, N .Tu C ne E 2 . O.) importers of Nest India S ugar asking an a SUGAR.—To-day, (From MA t ß he K L E en T do?! I New N r 1 ' E r i c i ; rated against business. I m ,rt a d r a k y e . t closing iu som e dvance si o n n es f s , ..rm T e h r e ra p t u es re o h f aw 6 s l a p r e e r c 4 w 6o t , oapned phrhi cases ßE F r i a m th ED._ To-day home dealers made p urc h ases w i t h for the week era 2 b , o s v B o B : l e s s Bc o c f " last the more freedom in Refined Sugar, and prices closed with firmness at 46s 6d to 49s for low to good grocery lumps. The market is firm for Crushed Sugar, and a good de mand exists for Foreign for shipping; but British met a blow sale. Ma.numus.—This afternoon there was no public sale of Mauritius Sugar, privately, however, some parcels were sold at higher rates, and holders have confidence. EAST INDIA.—This afternoon the parcels of Bengal Sugar sold privately were at full rates, and in some cases at a small advance for better sorts. At auction 2,040 bags found buyers at 42s to 43s 6d for good and fine grainy yellow, and 458 bags brown at 28s to 31s for low to fine soft. Madras is wanted at the former value. F oREIGN.—To-day there was more desire to operate in Foreign Sugar for the United Kingdom, and further purchases were made by exporters at former rates, but the particulars are not allowed to transpire. The market closes with a firm tone for all sorts of Foreign, white Havannah excepted. MOLASSES.—Prices aro not better; there is, however, rather more business doing; low to fine West India at 13s to 163, Bengal and Mauritius 12s to 12s 6d, Cuba and Porto Rico 14s to 15s per cwt; there are several buyers rather under these rates. Fine Honey is wanted at 50s to 60s, but other sorts are purchased with cau tion at 25s to 45s per cwt. COFFEE.—To-day a sale of 300 pkgs Jamaica at tracted little attention, and prices declined is to 2s, low mid at 46s to 46s 6d, fine to fine fine ord 41s to 45s 6d, good ord 38s to 40s, and pea berry 58s 6d. Of Plantation several parcels sold privately at rather better rates, low mid and mid from 49s to 52s are most in de mand. For Native the market is still dull at 36s 6d to 375 6d per cwt. COCOA.—Trinidad is wanted, and full rates are offered; there are however now few parcels in the market; red has been selling privately at 43s to 473 for ord to fine, and grey at 36s to 40s. Grenada however met with little attention, and of 436 bags 25 brls 2 trcs at auction a small part only sold at 35s to 375, and good to fine red at 38s to 425, being the previous value. Foreign is not offering at any further reduction, sales are still upon a small scale. Bahia and Para at 264 to 283, and Guaya quil at 30s per cwt. TEA.—Prices are still receding for common and good ordinary Congou, the former selling at 9d to 9,id, and better at 9id per lb ; the home trade has been good, and several shipping orders were executed; there is, however, an increasing supply, but no further decline is at pre sent looked fur. In medium to rather strong blackish leaf; sales are to a fair extent in consequence of 10d to llid per lb having been taken; but good to fine qualities have been purchased with much caution, although offered at is to Is 6d. In Oolong sales have been small, and parcels are offering at is to is 9d. Pouchong is dull of sale at Bid to 9}d, but of this sort only a trifling quantity is in the market. Holders of green are reluctant to sell at any further reduc tion ; dealers, however, purchase with caution, and supply is plentiful; but low and medium sorts are most freely of fered for sale. Fur scented and Pekoe Teas the rates taken being rather under last week occasioned opera tions to be upon rather a large scale. SPlCED.—Cassia Lignea remains in small supply, and is held for 102 s to 105 s per cwt., but inquiries have been made. Cassia Buds in small lots realised 105 s to 1103. For Cloves there are yet few buyers, and at auction 96 bags Bourbon were taken in at 64d to 6id per lb. Penang can be obtained at 10d to is 3d, and Amboyna at Bd. Mace met with a fair sale, first sort 2s 5d to 2s 7d, 2nd 2s Id to 2s 3d, 3rds, Is lld to 2s. Nutmegs continue in good request at the previous value, and 45 pkgs at auction realised 2s 4d to 2s 8d for ord to mid brown. The rates paid privately for better kinds are 2s 2d to 3s 9d, and for low to good limed is 10d to 2s 6d. In Cinnamon sales to a fair extent have been made; Ceylon, first sort 2s 4d to 3s 6d, second ditto Is 10d to 2s sd, third and fourth Is to 2s. Ginger sells more freely for home consump tion, but at previous moderate rates. At auction 128 pkgs realised 74s to 91s for mid to good mid, and 62s to 70a for ord to good ord, but better sorts are worth 51 to 9/. Of African 500 bags were disposed of at 28a. Export sorts of East India are little wanted, and 15s to 18s is the value. Pimento is rather cheaper; at public sale, however, 568 bags were all disposed of, good mid to good went at 40 to 40, low mid to mid 4id to 43d per lb. Prices ruling moderate for Pepper occasion a better demand, and privately several transac tions have been taken, Malabar 3d to 30, clean Suma tra 3d, and Penang rather dusty 2d to 2-d. Only one small parcel has been offered at auction, and consump tion is on the increase. Sales in white are upon a more extended scale at si.d to Bd. Of Cayenne 6 pkgs sold at Is Oid to is 2d, but 58 bags Pod were taken in at 58s. RICE.—To-day East India Rice was much better in demand, and an advance of 3d per cwt was obtained. At public sale 2,780 bags 600 pockets Bengal were all sold; fine white realised lOs 6d to 1 ls, good lOs to 103 6d, mid and good mid 9s to 103, low 8s 6d, and damaged 5s per cwt. SPIRITS.—Of Leeward Island Ruin several parcels have been disposed of; holders are also firmer, and obtain Is 5d to is 6d per gallon prOof. A good demand prevails for East India at is 3id to is 4d proof, and at these rates some parties will not sell. Several transactions have taken place in Demerara; the prices paid are 2s to 2s 3d for 32 to 40 per cent. overproof. For Jamaica rates are not higher ; at the same time shippers and home dealers are more inclined to do business, and a fair quantity has been sold, consisting chiefly of better sorts. The value of plain and mid 30 to 33 per cent. over proof is 2s 4d to 2s Bd, good 32 to 36 over 23 9d to 3s 3d, fine 34 to 38 over 3s 4d to 4s 4d per gallon. Holders of Brandy are unable to obtain any advance, although there is a good trade doing, and consumption is better than it was ; but the stock is yet heavy. Prices for Cognac best brands of the vintage of 1850 rule at 4s 4d to 4s 6d, 1849 ditto 4s 7d to 4s 9d, 1848 ditto 4s lid to Si 2d, 1847 ditto 5s 5d to 5s 7d, older sorts 5s 6d to 7s, infe rior kinds 2s 6d to 4a, Bordeaux 2a 21 to 2s 3J. The value of British made Spirit is 9s 5d to Os 6d; Gin 8. 2d to 8s 3d for 22 per cent under proof; Geneva is 7d to is Bd, and fine 13 9d to 2s; the demand is, however, not brisker. INDIGO. —This afternoon a public sale of 150 serous Guatemala Indigo went at rather lower rates, and two thirds sold, low to good hard strong coppery Cortes went at Is 6d to 3s 3d, with a few mid Sobres 3s 4d to 3s 7d. COCHINEAL —lmporters are still free sellers, and at the public sales price declined Id per lb, but 240 bags were nearly all disposed of; Mexican silvers, low 2s 9d, middling and good 2s 10d to 2s I Id, blacks 3s 4d to 3s 6d; and Honduras, low to good silvers, 2s 10d to 3s 6d. SALTPETRE.—There was less demand to-day for rough Saltpetre, and in some cases rather lower rates are taken. At auction 707 bags Calcutta sold at 26s 6d to 27s 6d for mid to good 6 to 81 per cent refraction. Tau.ow.—This afternoon the public sales of 390 pkgs South American Tallow went at 33s to 36s 93, and 500 cks Sydney, Sheep 35s 9d to 375; Ox 343 6cl to 35s 9d. OILS. —Th ere has been a reduction for Cod; limited sales have been made at 361 103 to 371 per tun; and for arrival these rates are not obtainable. Of Southern the supply is small; the rates paid being 301 to 331 for low to fine. In Pale Seal a good business has been concluded at 30/ to 301103; but supply is on the increase; other sorts are wanted at 28! to 291 103; few parcels at present are, however, on offer. Sperm has been purchased with reluctance ; and on the part of holders a desire is evinced to sell fine , i '!merican at 831 to 831 10s, and British 841 to 85/. ueadtnatter is not much inquired for, and 891 to 921 is the value. In Linseed Oil transactions have been upon a rate scale, both by shippers sad home desi ers . are to b e 32 _ ! rates also tend downwards, and rule at ho;veydear,to 32s 6d per cwt on the spot; there is, only a limited supply. Few buyers met with for delivery, and there are sellers at 325. Olive has been_ in good request, moderate rates are however, taken— sorts at 3 61 t Gallipoli, selling at 381 to 39/; other lOs per tun. Pal& finds a cocoyet_ prices remain at 27s 6d more ready „1 371 hu _ o 'l's met with more attention f t r o o 2 o2 B3 shi f p o p r e fi r n s e a . na a dealers; the rates paid were ?Y, and 28s 6d to 31s f quantity on offer. ls also a less for Cey -1207ns andto 28Cso Cochin; n f ; o r thereSy d m n , has bee n ' urra, and demand is I; • increasing—R e fined elling at 315 6d to 32a l For Rape Seed bro Oil .the mark et , ~ Foreign 344 per cw t; 'll ' pa e in supply. stri there is no decrease 33s to 33s 6,1; SUN, BANK OF ENGLAND. (From last night's Gazette.), An Account, pursuant to the Act 7th and Bth 01 Victoria,cap. 32 for the Week ending on Saturday, the 14th day of June, 1851. 188IIR DEPARTMENT. X. Note 3 27,296,550 with that request? Certainly not; and as the Bill was calculated to give rise to immense difficulties if passed in its present sbape,he trusted the Government would re consider its decision. At all events, if they could not adopt tho exact words of the proviso, let them accede to its spirit, and frame some paragraph of their own by which the spiritualities of the Roman Catholic Church would be left untouched. Colonel RAWDON said the simple object of the pro viso was to protect Roman Catholics against the opera tion of the Bill inmatters purely spiritual, and he had failed in hearing anything from the Government show ing that its introduction would impair the efficiency of the Bill. The Attorney-General had said the Bill would not interfere with spiritual matters, and he (Col. Rawdon) thought it was only right the Government should give the Roman Catholics the benefit of a doubt by agreeing to the yroviso. He should support the motion of the Hon. Member. Lord J. RUSSELL explained that what he said was that the question involved in the motion had been decided before in the House. (Loud cries of " Hear, hear.") It was perfectly clear that the in troduction of the weds to the end of the clause would lead to great dispus and litigation, and would in fact take away from ?arliament the right to decide what was spiritual and ',hat was temporal, and leave that right so to decide tcthe courts of law. It was on those grounds that he ()Nosed the motion. The House then livided, when there appeared— For the prods!) ... 42 Against it 1 60 Maio -its, against ... —.llB M Colonel SIBTIIP moved the addition of the fol lowing words:—"And shall further be imprisoned until the said sum of ire hundred pounds shall have been paid; and after tie payment of the aforesaid sum of 5001. shall be banished from the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Irelard during the period of his natural life." Ho did not know C ardinal Wiseman, but be certai n ly was a dangerousnsan, and it would be all the better if they got rid of hm, for one black sheep was quite suffi cient to spoil be flock. Not having any hope, how ever, of passing the clause, he should not press it to a division. Mr. MOOREsaid he certainly thought that if the crime of Cardbal Wiseman really was of that magni tude which the Noble Lord, in his opening speech at the commencemeotof the session, had described, the penalty suggested by tie Hon. !Led Gallant Member was certainly more reasonable than Ibat provided by the Noble Lord himself, and of the two, if he bad to choose between the two, he certainly should divide with the Hon. and Gal lant Member. The proviss was then withdrawn. On the question that the clause stand part of the Bill, Mr. RE I'NOLDS could not allow the clause to pass without makit g one or two observations on the subject. The Hon. Menber for the county of Limerick had asked the House to declare that the Catholic Church should be free in spiritual matters, but the Noble Lord, with a majority of 110 to 42, bad declared that it should not possess that lberty. He took this, the last opportunity which would be offered to him with respect to this clause, to declare that it was a repeal of the most valu able portion a the Emancipation Act. It was a clause of pains and penalties against the Catholics of Ireland, and was an insult which they would never forgive either the present Whig Government or any of their suc cesors professiig similar politics. Since he last addressed the Committee on the subject he had spent ten days in Ireland, where the indignation of all parties, clergy and laity, was so s rang against the Government for their having introduced this Bill, that they declared that they had ceased to have any confidence in the Government, and that they lad lost all hope of obtaining justice from the present House of Commons. He had been autho rised to make that declaration, and ho should not con fine it to Catiolics, but included in it Episcopalians, Presbyterians, and the liberal men of every r e li g i ous sect in Ireland, all of whom were of opinion that the present measure was a stop backward in the cause of religious liberty. The majority of the House was opposed Sc him, but he believed all the argument was on his side, No answer had been attempted to the memorable speech of the Right lion. Baronet the Mem ber for Ripon on this Bill. Tho feeling out of doors was, that the Bill was uncalled for and calculated to create discord and dissatisfaction among her Majesty's sub jects. That being also his own belief he, in the name of his Catholic countrymen, and at the eleventh hour, re newed his protest against the whole of the measure. Dr. POWER said that though four months had elapsed since the introduction of the Bill they were as much in the desk as to the effect which it would have as they were on the day of its introduction. The discus sion had done little beyond drawing forth differences of opinion with regard to its provisions. Surely, then, the better course would be to refer it to a Select Committee, in order that it might be licked into some shape, and be made consistent in its clauses. If he could believe that the issuing of the rescript by the Pope was, as had been stated by the Noble Lord, but a part of a general scheme for the suppression of the liberties of Europe, he should have voted for the Bill. The Noble Lord had not, how bwyasanuynfafiarctisn o t r ne b N y n a b n l y e r e e v a e g r n , n s i u n p g p , o a r n t e d d n h e i s thoughtr o n i t Lord to throw into the discussion an ingredient of that kind in order to catch a few votes. The Committee then divided, when there appeared— For the clause ... •.. ... 150 Against it ... ••• ••• 35 Majority in favour of the clause ...--115 On clause 3, Mr, S. CRAWFORD said he wished to call the at tention of the House to the action which the measure would have on the voluntary churches within the king dom, and on the Scotch Church in particular. It ap peared to him that the Scotch Church should not be pre vented assuming titles for the purpose of its own inter nal government. The Bill as it stood, instead of its being a Bill far resisting the Pope's aggression, was in itself an aggression against every voluntary church. The danger which the Noble Lord at the head of the Government feared was not provided against by that Bill. The real cause of the danger lay in the control which the State exercised over the Established Church!, and as long as that connexion between the Church and State existed so long would the danger complained of remain. The clergy of that Church were too indepen dent of their people, and many conscientious persona were obliged to secede from that Church to establish a church for themselves, and it was principally on that account, and to secure for such persons perfect reli gious liberty, that he took the liberty of proposing the amendment of which ho had given notice. He wished to see every Christi a n commun it y t h at might deem it advisable to establish an episcopacy for themselves protected in their rights. He maintained that true religious liberty could not be held as long as the ordinances, the doctrines, and the faith of the Church were under the authority of the State. The Queen was the nominal head of the Church, but she could do nothing without the advice of her Ministers and Parlia ment. The true principle would be to allow every church to regulate herself. He did not bring forward his motion for the benefit of any particular church, but to secure the right of freedom of opinion to every man in the com munity. The Honourable Member concluded by moving his amendment, which was, to expunge all the words in the third clause after the word " place," in line 2, page 3, and insert the following words:—" Used as the desig nation of office in such church, or to the assumption or use of the title of archbishop, bishop, or dean, taken by any person solely as the designation of his office, for the government of any voluntary church according to its rules and usages, and not claiming or assuming to have -by law, in respect of such title, any jurisdiction, au thority, or pre-eminence in the United Kingdom." Sir G. GREY said the proposed amendment would in one sense be ambiguous, and in another objectionable. The words would go to neutralise the Bill altogether, if it was meant that any Roman Catholic bishop should take the title of any place at present forbidden by the Bill. Mr. S. CRAWFORD said, in explanation, he wished to give the Catholic or any other church the voluntary power of assuming the titles of archbishop, bishop, or dean, for their own regulation. The Committee having divided on the amendment, the numbers were— Ayes Noes ..• ••• •.• Majority against the amendment ... 33 ... 118 -85 country. They had abolished the bishoprics in Ireland; they had put an end to the Church cess there; and they had removed one-fourth the tithes; but they h;td adopted none of those measures in England. They had, not, therefore, maintained the principle of a united Church in the two countries; and the reason why they had not maintained it was that the Established Church in England was a national Church, while the Estab lished Church in Ireland was the Church of a small section only of the community. He would tell them that the extension of the measure to Ireland would de stroy peace and harmony in that country; that it would compel her Majesty's Government to maintain the union by means solely of a large standing army; and then it would be impossible to carry out that reduction in the public expenditure which the people of England were so anxious to see established. For these reasons he earnestly called upon the Committee to accede to his proposal. The SOLICITOR -GENERAL said he thought that the adoption of that clause would render the Bill liable to the objection of proceeding upon the grossest incon sistency. The principle of the measure, as advocated by the Government, was that it was inconsistent with the prerogatives of the Crown that a foreign potentate should assume a right to create dignities and jurisdictions in these realms, such as the Pope had attempted to create by the rescript establishing the new bishopric of West minster. That office was, in Ireland as well as in Eng land, an infraction of that arrangement which had been come to in the Roman Catholic Emancipation Act with the approbation of the whole Roman Catholic body. It was true that that Act did not specifically prevent the assumption by Roman Catholic prelates of episcopal titles which did not belong to any bishop of the Estab lished Church; but he believed that its object and spirit had been the prevention of any assumption by Roman Catholics of titles of sees in the United Kingdom. Now what would be the consequence of exempting Ireland from the operation of tho Bill? The consequence would be, that while it would be unlawful to receive in Eng land bulls from the Pope conferring such titles, the re ception of similar bulls would be perfectly legal in Ireland. A great majority of the Legisla ture and of the people of these kingdoms regarded the recent act of the Pope as an aggression, and, he might even say, as an insult; and how could it be pretended that that which was an aggression and an insult in England could be regarded as perfectly harmless and legal in Ireland? The plain meaning and the adoption of the clause proposed by the Hon. Member for Rochdale would be that the Queen's prerogative did not extend to Ireland. It should be remembered that the Act of 1829 applied to Ireland as well as to England, or rather that it had been framed with a special reference to Ireland. The object of the present Bill was to carry out the Act of 1829 in its spirit as well as in its letter, and to pre vent an evasion of the solemn compact into which the Roman Catholic body had then entered. He could see nothing in the condition of Ireland which would justify her exemption from the Bill. It was said that the Roman Catholics constituted the great mass of the popu lation in Ireland while they formed only a small minority in this country. But if, as was pretended by the opponents of this measure, the sacred principle of toleration were violated in that instance, there could be nothing to justify its violation in the case of a small body of persons any more than in the case of a large population. The only ground on which the exemption of Ireland could be urged was the number of Roman Catholics in that country; but he could not admit that numbers had anything to do with the principle. There fore looking at the general principle of the Bill, and the compact which had been entered into, he could see no reason why Ireland should not be included. He did not admit that they were dealing with the spiritual affairs of the Roman Catholics, or infringing the sacred laws of toleration, and for these reasons ho opposed the adoption of the clause. Mr. ROCHE believed the Bill to be as unjust to Eng land as it was to Ireland, and as regarded the latter country it was certainly one of the most unjust measures ever contemplated by any Government. The Hon. and Learned Solicitor-General was too good a lawyer to say that this Bill was a mere repetition of the Emancipation Act, or that it did not extend the restrictive clauses of that law. And since the understanding upon which the Emancipation Act bad been passed had been so much commented on, he begged to remind the Committee that the Duke of Wellington, in his speech on that Act, ad mitted that the provision with respect to the assumption of titles in Ireland was introduced merely to satisfy some scruples of a few Right Reverend Prelates. Lord Malmesbury, a great opponent of emancipation, said he looked upon the restrictive clause as regarded titles in Ireland as a farce, and worse than a farce. But as re ference had been so often made to the spirit in which the Act was passed, might he not refer to the spirit in which it had been carried out? Was it anything like the spirit of this Bill ? Why, they had passed Acts recognising these' very titles in Ireland. They had carried out the Emancipation Act in a spirit more liberal and generous than that in which it was passed, and yet here they were introducing a Bill of pains and penalties against the Roman Catholics of Ire land. He could not look on the extension of the Bill to Ireland in the same philosophical spirit as the Hon. and Learned Solicitor-General. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman was playing a great game, and so was he; but the difference was, that he had a stake in the result, while the Hon. and Learned Gentleman had none. He warned the Noble Lord at the head of the Government and the country that they were engaging in a very seri ous struggle. He gave the Noble Lord credit for the utmost sincerity, but he did not know the country, nor did ho take the proper means of informing himself. If he insisted so much upon principle, why did the Noble Lord not extend the Bill to the colonies? He was afraid to do so. The colonies were thousands of miles distant. Ireland certainly was not far off, but he advised them to count her numbers, and if they for ce d th e R oman Catho lic clergy, wh o had always been the great peace pre , servers hitherto, to conspire against the authority of England, Ireland would be more dangerous than all her colonies. Judging from the meetings held in this coun try, he did not believe that any great desire existed to extend the measure to Ireland, with respect to which there had been no aggression. If they wished to pre serve tranquillity in that country, and enable her to de velope her resources, it would be utter and perfect mad ness to extend this Bill to Ireland; it would be worse than a crime, it would be a great po li t i cal blunder. Mr. G. H.CASENDISH said the very reasons which induced him to support the Bill as regarded England compelled him to resist its extension to Ireland. In le gislating on a subject like this, they were bound to look to the feelings of the great majority of the people. Though, perhaps, the same loyalty and attachment to the:Constitution which distinguished the English Roman Catholics could not be extended to their Irish co-reli gionists, still he held that it would be impolitic to ex tend the Bill to Ireland, where, in truth, the trans planted Established Church had taken no root in the affections of the people, and he would therefore sup port the clause exempting Ireland from the operation of the Bill. Mr. CLAY said, if the Government of the day had refused to legislate on the question the people would have found another Government to oir,y out their wishes, and the Protestant and national spirit of the people would have kept the quarrel alive. He believed also, that to extend the Bill to Ireland would, on the other hand, rouse a spirit in that country which would equally tend to perpetuate the quarrel ; and being ani mated with au anxious desire to see the discussion brought to an early termination, he would support the proposed clause. Mr. LAWLESS vindicated the loyalty of the Irish Roman Catholics, and contended that the conduct of the Government with respect to this Bill was calculated to destroy the kindly feeling which the relief measures had engendered amongst the different religious bodies in Ireland. The Bill of the Noble Lord had driven the people of Ireland back a century—to those times of bi gotry and intolerance when a Roman Catholic was de nied the common rights of citiaenship—when upon the ancient gates of Bandon was written the following in scription:— Turk, Jew, or Atheist May enter here, but not a Papist." A wag chalked up— Whoever wrote these lines, he wrote them well, The same are written on the gates of hell." Even if the voice of England demanded such legislation for this country, he denied that that voice should be per mitted to crush the religion of the people of Ireland. The Right Hon. Baronet the Chancellor of the Ex chequer having stated his intention to offer the most determined opposition to the Irish spirit question, had shown the Irish Members an example that they were likely to profit by in respect to this Bill. He warned the Noble Lord against the danger of attempting to re press the religious feelings of the people. History af forded them many examples of the evil consequences produced by such a course. He held in his hand a very üble pamphlet, written by a Mr. Andrew Carew O'Dwyer, an Irish barrister, and a gentlemen who was formerly a Member of that House, and from this pam phlet he would read an extract describing the causes and effects of the insurrection in Belgium in September, 1830. The Hon. Gentleman having quoted at conside rable length from the document in question, said he thought the Noble Lord would do well to reflect upon the dangerous course which he was pursuing—a course that would most probably lead to the same serious con sequences as had happened in Belgium. Mr. H. DRUMMOND said that the question before them was simply whether this Bill shall be applied to Ireland; and the important consideration with them was not merely its temporal application to that country, but as the Hon. Member for Hull observed, whether there would be a subsidence of this agitation. Now, this agitation never would subside—it never could subside— because the aggression on the part of a Roman Catholic Government, backed by all the members of that creed, was still contin ue d, and they had shown their determi nation to bring the people of that country back from the state of heathenism in which they were sunk, to complete submission to the See of Rome.—(Laughter.) The Roman Catholic Members had chosen a hundred and a hundred times to throw back in ourteaththe term " aggre ss i on ." Th at , h owever , w sub ject at pr esen t b e f ore t h em; b ut w h en it was not the as, be able to p rove w h at h e was now saying. Neither y he would would ho be tempted to enter upon n disloyalty. He could quote rather coarse It was said that niti expressions quesonof that had been used upon this subject. they could not have a divid_on. Members,e_dlolalty', f it appeared, for there was no such thing. But certain II had an undivided loyalty to the Pope of Rome, a n d were disposed to say,: perish all sc , vereig , ns ea w d h . o r e i a n d t e . fered with his rights."—(Loud cries of , R ~ No, no," said the Hon. Member —(Cries were so many of " Y es , yes," from the Irish Members.) There Pio Nonos that he did not like to i.ead.—(Laughter.) These persons say that they respected the au - hority of yAct of the vicar of Christ infinitely mote than any r ou ,, Parliament. Mr. REYNOLDS—Hear, hear. Mr. H. DRUMMOND then proceeded to read from a paper he hold hie 13§111; !! We couttior our Alle- 21, IRSI. giance to the Roman throne first of all. At an in finitely lower distance is our loyalty to any earthly sove reign compared with our &vote(' loyalty to the Holy Eee. Perish a thonslnd icings and queens and parliament rather than it should be in the slightest degree opposed. As the spiritual exceeds the temporal in importance so this loyalty to the Holy See transcends that which we pay to the Queen of England."—(Loud cries of " Name, name," from the Irish Members.) They had no right to have any name.—(" Oh, oh," from the same quarter.) As a matter of courtesy he would give the name, but he would not be induced to do so from compulsion. It was a Roma n C at h ol i c who used this language.—(" Oh, oh," from several Irish Members.) Mr. O'FLAHERTY here rose to order. Ho said he believed he had a right to call to order the Hon. Member for Surrey, who, in his usual style and good feeling towards the Roman Catholic Members of that House, had quoted written paragraphs, which they were induced to believe were written by some Catholic Member of that House, or some great Catholic authority. H e now found that th e Hon. Member was quoting from some newspaper that was never before heard of. It was any thing but fair, just, and (if the rules of the House would permit him to say so) it was anything but honourable, to make these quotations.—(Laud cries of " Order, order," from the Chairman and several Hon. Members,) He felt that he was not to bo put down.—(Chair, and order.) The CHAIRMAN said an expression had dropped— he hoped inadvertently —from the Hon. Member, that he was not to be put dowc. He hoped that did not apply to the Chairman.—(Hear, hear.) Sir R. H. INGLIS said that when the Hon. Member for Galway had called the Hon. Member for Surrey to order, he should have been prepared to specify some in stance in which the Hon. Member for Surrey had de viated from the proper course of debate. He submitted to the Hon. Chairman whether the Hon. Member for Galway did specify a single instance in which the Hon. Member' for Surrey had violated the rules of that House, or the proper feeling that should actuate him. _(Hear.) Mr. KEOGH said that the Hon. Member for Galway had, he believed, been called to order by the Hon. Mem ber for the University of Oxford. He did not see how he had violated the rules of that House. The Hon. Member for Galway had said that if the rules of the House permitted him, he would say that the:conduct or observations of the Hon. Member for Surrey were any thing but honourable. All Hon. Members who had been in that House for the last twelve months must be aware that evasive expressions were constantly used for the purpose of avoiding the coming within the violation of the rules of that House. He had seen much more flagrant violations of the House declared not to be disorderly; and he confessed ho was not disposed tamely to submit to the Hon. Member for Galway being called to order for what he had said, when he recollected the extraordi nary language that the Hon. Member for Surrey was permitted to use some few weeks back. Lord J. RUSSELL said that the Hon. Member for Galway had used no argument to prove that the Hon. Member for Surrey was out of order, It must be evi dent to the Committee that the Hon. Member for Sur rey had said nothing that was disorderly. Mr. SADLEIR said that the Noble Lord must be aware that the Hon. Member for Galway had been called to order far using disorderly expressions. Mr. O'FLAHERTY said that he had sat down in obe dience to the chair. He begged to inform the Noble Lord and the Chairman that he bad not used any ex pressions he was not prepared to hold by. He believed that ha had used an expression contravening the accu racy of the statement of the Hon. Member fur Surrey. He was sure that he had not said anything that was a violation of the rules of the House. If he did so he would at once apologise. But he would not permit the Hon. Member for Surrey or any other Hon. Member to use expressions against his religion or loyalty without standing up in his defence, and maintaining his rights.— (Cheers from the Irish Members.) The CHAIRMAN said that when the Hon. Member for Galway rose he considered that he was about to speak to a point of order. He did not immediately col lect from his speech as to what part of the Hon. Mem ber for Surrey's observations ho took exception. Mr. O'FLAHERTY said he complained of the Hon. Member fur Surrey quoting a statement which appeared by what had fallen from him to have been made by cer tain Members of that House. As he (Mr. O'Flaherty) objected to its going forth to the public that such a state ment was made by any Hon. Member of that House, he interrupted the Hon. Member for Surrey in the course he was taking, fur the purpose of letting the House and the country know that the documents quoted were such as ought not to be referred to without the name of the author being mentioned with them. Mr. DISRAELI apprehended that the simple case was this —the Hon. Member for Galway, supposing that the Honourable Member far Surrey had made certain statements without sufficient authority, thought that he had acted somewhat disorderly, It was a fair topic for the Honourable Member for Galway to reply to in a fair discussion with the Hon. Member for Surrey. The Hon: Member for Surrey might have made an indiscreet state ment—he gave no opinion upon that point; but as far as he could form an opinion upon the matter, he was not disorderly. Mr. REYNOLDS said, in speaking to the point of order, as a Roman Catholic Member of that House, he had no objection whatever to the reading of any documents by the Honourable Member for Surrey, no matter what the contents might be, even if they were grossly insulting to his creed. But it was only fair and reasonable that the gentleman who reads them should state from what source they emanated. He thought that the Honourable Member was quoting from authentic documents, which were to bind him as a Ca tholic. —(Cries of " Order, order.") The CHAIRMAN said it was competent for the Hon. Member for Dublin to rise in his place to order, but be must excuse him for saying that he could not see in what point the speech of the lion. Member for Surrey was disorderly. Mr. DRUMMOND then resumed his speech. He said he bad not the smallest intention of raising a dis cussion of that sort. The Hon. Member for Derby, in his speech, had drawn a distinction between the loyalty of the Roman Catholics in England and in Ireland. There was not much in that, one way or the other; but then the Hon. Member who answered him had made a large demand upon the credit that ought to be given to the loyalty of the Roman Catholics of Ireland, and he (Mr. Drummond) having these documents in his pocket, he could not resist the temptation of referring to them. If the opinions he had quoted were anything like loose assertions he would not have cared about them; but they were the well-considered expressions of a Roman Catholic newspaper. But that was not his only autho rity: he had also another document, written by a Roman Catholic priest.—(" Read, read," from the Irish Mem bers.) He was not going to read it. It was published in the Tablet by " my dear Lucas," the recognised autho rity of the Roman Catholic bishops. He would speak no further upon this point—be was going to speak upon the point immediately at issue—namely, whether this Bill was to apply to Ireland or not. He believed that the question would not rest there. He thought it was important not to permit them selves to be irritated to do what was unjust. It was foolish to suppose that there was any danger in Ireland to arise from the Popish bulls. As it was said by Lord Mansfield, " In times of danger weak men were induced to go beyond the necessity of the case, in order to avert it." This country had bean no doubt grossly insulted; that insult had been continued and reiterated day by day and from one end of the country to the other. What had been done to the Protestant people of this country bad, however, not been done to Ireland. When the Noble Lord brought forwa r d this measure, ho satisfied neither himself (Mr. Drummond) nor those who were opposed to all legislation on the subject. But the Noble Lord said he would only chi what he thought was necessary. Now the Papal aggression and the Papal insolence were confined to England alone. No change whatever was made by them with regard to Ireland. If the Govern ment had acted in accordance with his views they would not have extended this Bill to Ireland, as the Catholics of that country did not really deserve to be dealt with by any measure of severity. Tho truth of the matter was this—the Government would not grapple with the great grievance, and that was th e I r i s h Ch urc h. H e was not going to help them out of it—he could not doit. But et there was the pi nc hi ng place. U n l ess they o fairly met this difficulty they w ou ld s till b e pressedd w Let not the Gov ernment, f rom an y was provocation eo n n received c w e i r t ne i d t l whichi nEngland , w aiunjust b o t e m a p s t e fe d r to ee c t a h r e r t y o i e n e t n o tr l y r eland a measure Mr. AN S l'E Y a t s h k e ed ßin why te the the propose to extend colonies 2, swe d l i l d a sn to Government the dominion of the British Crown as well as to from Ireland? Why not to the transmarine regions h ts which they the Roman Catholics in England those rig country? The Pope had attempted to take away ionthae unders isier had enjoyed under the pre-existing canon laws of the but e h had Church, sanctioned by Acts of Parliament; the rights of the Irish Roman Catholics. Oa the same g not committed a simil a r aggression on gro und on which o ot t fa lr n e d : Bill. When a Papal h t heeN oughto b l e t oL have iert exempted exempted Roman Episcopalianscath Catholics o S e c Ire land from the operation of this in 1 815, it was opposed aggression was made in Ireland holie laity, from the attempt the and priests of Ire land;by Mr. O'Connell, the Cat not tha en❑hd ttheeni names interfering with the independence of r Pope then and R m o e m de e ot had . to w i thdraw Ireland.—(Hear, hear.) He re ferred the Catholic Church in the reecri t • laity adverse to p . It was ad the Catholic to a document which had been circulated amongst h Roman Catholicspersons ap d uvreebrsl signedsi c e . d t t t Co o , a r h d a i v n e adl t . dhei Wisemans t r i . mhtehenedt pfabuirrlpoeuodgs ehitnob.te hfeur showing,ewtehree d t h h te e he on D sues a ew k e ht ho o e f hEado Norfolk, gsiinsc e object; an to documents cured e se lee t o not their approval of the rescript, but their dislike of the scurrilous abuse that had be clergy and faith. He denounced the been e P i a u uggthreesir siou of the Court of Rome, and, therefore, h of the first clause; but he at the same ti e d e l approved ec ared that the Bill was totally inapplicable to Ir m el The consequence of this legislationand.—(Llear.) would be that it would give support in Ireland to the Primate, Dr. Cul len, and his small majorit iy in the Synod of Th ur l es. As the Bill deserved to be the Noble Lord ro excl mdeade practicable he appealed to Ireland from the Bill. Mr. WEGG PRO z_lli,lt considered the Bill to be to tally unjuetitiable. Upon political grounds was ob vious that Ireland ea Mr. GOOLD t to be excluded from the Bill. was oppos, d to the extension of the Bill to Ireland. Lord J. RUSSELL had to say a very few words on this subject. He owned that it appeared to him to be impossible, if they were to proceed with this Bill, fur the (HRouse not to include Ireland within its provisions.— ear, hear.) The prerogative of the Crown had been infringed. They must presume that it had b •en so, if they approved of this Bill. Then, if the prerogative of the Crown had been infringed, they could not say that they would prevent that being done in England which they would permit to be done in Ireland. If the inde pendence of the nation had been assailed, then they would not say they would prohibit it in England and pet mit it to be done without punishincut in Ireland. I was, in fact, impossible logically to defend this m easure 1111:.23 Ireland was included in this Iliii.—(Hear.) It SP; peared to him that th e a h o l e o f the argumen t s of tnel who were opp ose d to t h e Bil l went not sci much Pga ir 2: his Bill, which mer e ly exten d e d , i n a ver y trifling d e' green, the p rov i s i ons o f t h e present law, as t h e y were di rected against the existing law itself; because if it were right to allow Reiman Catholics to call themselves Arch' bishops of Dublin, or of Armagh, or of Cash el, or Bishop of Li mer i c k—if i t were right to do that, then, in order to accomplish such an object, it would be nec!„ 9 ,.: sary to repeal th e p rov i s i ons o f the A ct o f George i v —(Hear.) That Bill prohibited Roman Catholics from taking titles from places in which there were not now existing bishops of the Established Church. The open' ration of that part of the Bill was not a very gree t extension of th a t prov i s i on w hi c h was already to De found in th e statute book—namely the Act of 10 Geo. IV. The wh o l e o f the argument, then, a s regarde_ d , practice was not an argument against including Irolat but it was an argument for the repeal of that now the law.—(Clear, hear.) Hon. Gentlemen dief.n..o prove their case at all by asserting that the Act °f 10 Gee. IV. was not put in force. He maintained ta contrary. It was an Act the provisions of which bad . _ always been respected. Now, he said that those wn o objected to the provisions of that Act—the 10th Gee.. e _ IV.---should not insist upon the amendment, but cal the t r which was a repeal of that statute; and if they did that, thenr whole question would be before them. As the m atte , stood, it was more a qurstion to legislate upon question of practice. The Bill went very little furt than the law stood as to the prohibition of the assolig7 assumption tion of titles. It was the prohibition of the of the titles in Ireland the same as it was proposed t., do with regard to England. They could not say that a person went to Ireland, bringing in a rescript, a ing, for instance, to be a Bishop of Galway, a' that it might do so without any notice being taken of it. e tha b u er would be inconsistent to do that, the House could hardly omit Ireland.—(Hear.) Mr. REYNOLDS sa id, with every respect t o that judgment of th e N o bl e L o rd, he was bound to say for including had not given even the shadow of an argument _ the including Ireland in this Bill. The Noble Lord shottlt. have imitated the conduct of William In, when he d o t, rected th e au th or i t i es i n I re l a nd before the surrende r of Limerick to r es p the the Catholic religion; that it sh o uld enjoy a ll the rights and privileges t hat it had in li.o reign of Ch ar l es II .; that i t s hould have half the Chu rch revenues and that even the Catholic gentry should have Noble Lord would not t a k e t h e c h ara cter of the Roman C half their est a t es restore d to them. He hoped the litho.. , _ 8 , lies fro m th e H on. and Learne d M e mber for Youghal' He had s t rong d ou b ts t h at b e had even in religiousi esr, matters any com mun i on w i t h him.—(Cries of "H PA" hear," and " Oh, oh.") Considering the political mean" . e _ derings of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman in th t House, he certainly had no communion with him. (Hear and laughter.) The Hon. and .Learned mGentle men's meanderings had divorced him from all c0n!, 13. nion with them.—(Laughter, and cheers.) The , 11 0 _ v , and Learned Gentleman said that he was Member . 1!"' , Catholic constituency, He (Mr. Reynolds) dentedsent the and now told the House that the Catholics who had u r the Hon. Gentleman here had passed a vote of c ens c u t upon him for his conduct in connexion with the presen t Bill, Bill, and had not entrusted him with their Pet' ll , against the Bill.—(0h, oh, and laughter.) Th tants of Youghal disowned him also—(oh, oh, 5 " ot , newed laughter) —he would not say that the Potesta , i of Youghal despised him—(Oh, oh) — because that w0,c .... 1 " be unparliamentary—(Shouts of " Oh," and laughte_r4 o , and be now gave the Hon. and Learned Gentleman T rot . ' that when a general election occurred he w° lll T h o t I again be seen in Youghal.— Oh, oh, and divide.). , 9 Hon. and Learned Gentleman had been weighed 11117 3 , 4' ~ balance and found wanting. The handwriting w as ' t ll upon the wall against him, and Youghal had disowned,ee_ him, as he (Mr. Reynolds) now disowned him.—(7 oh, and ironical cheering.) The Honourable Gentlemen had also said that he was a Catholic, and a sincer e , h e tholic. He (Mr. Reynolds) hoped he was; but it_ .. ,, „. 4. • were, he certainly exhibited very little gratitude tovierf V.', e Pro , t r e: . the head of that Church to whom he owed a double iced L:' pliment, for the "Holy Father" had not only reed him into the bosom of the Church, but bad conferred theo honour of knighthood upon him, the Hon. Gentl elll3 being a" Knight of St. Gregory of the Brazen Su: (Oh, oh, and roars of laughter.) The gratitude the D end Gentleman show e d the Pope was to calumniate him, es he to call him a ty rant; and he exhibited his gratitude, i.; the English Cstholics, to the zeal of some of whom bin conversion was due—(Laughter)—by desiring that that should be coerced for their ellegiance.—(oh, oh.) ti cs were the Catholics of England to be blamed beciiii . s° they would not take from their leader a religious Wu: . of that kind? No; and they were wise in their genera ' 6 °n — they knew whom they could trust; and they kne w. they could not trust the Hon. and Learned Gentleman' The Hon. Member for West Surrey (Mr. Drummon d) had spoken of the allegiance due to the Pope: u_ 11 .,, he had fortten to say what sort of allegisP l- that was—t hat it was a spiritual and not a tempera. ca. allegiance, and that he would be calumniating bo al , tholic fellow-subjects if he asserted that the spiritual j legianco which they bore to the Holy Father interfere e e d " directly or indirectly with their firm, unshaken, and directly or indirectly with their firm, unsb a ey did affectionate loyalty towards their Sovereign. b eg d of not acknowledge the Queen to be the spiritualect, the Church —that they totally repudiated and dented. (Cheers from the Irish Members.) But they did _...., castors wardsmheanda monarchs s e w i b n o that the Queen was the temporal head of this greesitreL:n. pire, and they were prepared to do that which their to• their blood and theird to sacri nour.—(Hear, hear.) p a ps r : e t) er p i rs s e te r i c e n t u r y .g e t e e i d d n their t t a h u e g ma h vindication e h ag tI a cif that e ven ll t ` o °0: Pope himself, aided by any number of dare to place a hostile foot upon any portion of her d and jesty's dominions, the Catholics of England, Irelan tittle. Scotland, would be the first to meet him in t he b bier./ field, and to repel him.--(Hear, hear, and loud laug Ah. he well understood that Wonical i —he would not cal hale -- it insolent —sneer of the Hon. Member for I r nug 1 ad (Oh, oh, laughter, and cries of " Divide.") If Ire l ot were retained in the Bill, he predicted that th e a id would be a dead letter upon the statute-book. Il e e cc io id not say what the Catholic bishops might do; but i' k h) troops' wer g a . Mr. Reynolds) I were a Catholic bishop—(A lt‘, ll g,,"' i t; and I wish I was—(Roars of laughter)—l now g i ve Lied Noble Lord notice that, before 24 hours had ealr o id from this Bill becoming the law of the land, I vi° incur its highest penalties.—(oh, oh, and divide.) Mr. ANSTEY sa id h e would not reply to the persbe 00 r alities of the M em b er f or Dublin—to that 110 13 . Mern , t od ho left the ex c l us i ve pr i v il ege of indulging in tbera'a of being in th e unenv i a bl e position of having more & o d any other Member contributed to lower the tone, Ile character of the d e b ates o f t h at House .—( Cheers') e as denied emphatically that he h a d d escr ib e d the PnP" to a " tyrant," or that he had b een gu il ty o f t h e bad ts al of speaking of hi mse lf as a " sincere Catholic. " Mr. J. O'CONNELL protested against any abseil; tion which had f a ll en f rom Mr. Anstey being taken 1571,1 the expression of t h e op i n i on of the Irish people. no ~, regard to the c l ause un d er discussion, he would ~ condescend t o vote f or t h e exclusion of his coun tr y from the operati on o f so m i serable and contempt ible " measure. Mr. CAMPBELL then rose to address the Corani it , mittee, but was me t w i t h constant i nterrupt i ons b y o riel of " Divide," He at once avowed himself unable to au" dress them.—(Cheers and laughter.) The question Jay in a narrow compass—it emanated from the 24th sec' tion of the Act of 1829, which established a compac t with the people of Ireland which they ought not to break. The Hon. Gentleman continued to address the House for some time amidst the mingled uproar and laughter of the House, which was moat impatient for the division. The Committee dividedelsvhen there appeared— For Mr. S. Crawford's clause .„ ... _ 5 6 5 0 imperial i Sir ll H. H. AgainstlNM Crown, G ia i t iL o . . ti l n i S t t y o then i,l . : l her subjects , j t . e h c o t s fi , o - l u l n o 2 d w e i r n l g G 9s — od , the " And whereas the Queen's Maj es ty, only lawful source and fountain as well jurisdiction, and no foreign ' , . ham in his own right any authority' to thie sonfidherrealalimajeosrtyd'osinsuinbjjoenciss,, oorrparulmnpenng realm, or any other dominions of the Queen, confer within 8.. ., therein, any pre-eminence or whereas it is notorious thatthe • ' fßclula jurisdictionp on o rn t Qy e n over on io t re lie rightht rhneo other rtr n hu o o epo r r l ivoe:°Ferfinefir. as resident I s pte b e :: n e, existing Certain himself ceses within this realm, and the domi thereof:" "And bath of late years taken upon by territorial limits to also unto other sees a re d a e dy longing; and further, b i t s h h e o thereby pretended 8 as only over members of nani t no o ednws c rst o eoh n cee s osr t ge i n t au u inns t dete thereunto l to appoint unto the said sees eta law, certain person to give to such persons authority, 11 ° S over all the and huh furthereea 8 Christian subjects therein resident; P C s h Church ht the ef same, and a b d u t haal not assumed to give •par' sons archiepiico al dignity and metropolitical jurisdi°' titer within her saidli Majesty's real and dominions: "And whereas such assumptions have no foundatierl in the law or featly custom of this realm, but rather are magi" against all law, yet b • sufferanc e of late nelince and years, such assumptions have' d ll sa w) and gained a ow jesty's countenance, to the great disparagement of her Ma' imperial Crown and dignity, and to the weaken; In , gand di s h earten i ng of the Protestant Reformed Churches of thi s realm, and to the di sc ouragement of the I t estant faith in the land, and in all her Majesty's do' minions: " And whereas certain rank and precedence ;hath in divers manners by statute of the realm, by letters Pe' tent, by warrant under the sign manual, or by ancient prescription, been attached to different offices, ecclesias tical as well as civil, and to divers classes of persons within this realm, and also to particular persons during their natural lives, all such rank and precedence be ing regulated by certain rules, whereof the Cr own , as the fountain of honour, is the author, guardian, and keeper; and whereas no subject of this realm can confer any rank or preeminence upon any otter subject excep t through th e Q ueen ' s roy a l auth or i ty to him delegate"' and no subject of the Queen is permitted by the c ustom of this realm to bear, without the special l• l once o f the een ~... Crown, any title or dignity ity tender e d to him by any l u reign prince, prelate, or pot entate: i "And whereas the rank and precedenceiv. of the arc bishops and bishops of the U nited Church of Eog . bo d and Ireland, and also the Use of titles • aby most ancient prescription to appropriate 1, the same, are part t i e of,,,,, rights and privileges of gee the saidiChurcb, which the "Cu t ! \ and Queens who shell f come to the Croun imperial , v ,, this realm are, Ott their accession , bound by h'- maintain: And said whereas, without • United Church , disparagement to the 0 by fundamentsl laws established , t b .,, like rank, precedence, and titles clianot be imparted , a lhe bishops ished: and clergy of any communion nut so estah' " .And whereas all the ministers and servants of 11 1 Crowe are required by l aw and bound in duty to sox/ IMPERI LONDON, AMENT. Government debt 11,0[5,100 Other securities .. 2,954,900 Gold coin and bullion 13,265,175 Silver bullion .. • • • • 33,375 £27,298,550 M. MARSHALL, Chief Cashier. Dated the 19th day of June, 1851. 127,293,550 ROUSE OF COMMONS, June 20, The SPEAKER took the Chair shortly before Four o'clock. PRIVATE BUSINESS. The Lords' amendments to the Edinburgh,'Perth, and Dundee Railway Bill were considered and agreed to. The following Bills were considered and agreed to and the Bills ordered to be engrossed :—St. Helen's Im provement (No. 2) Bill, the Warkworth Harbour and Dock Company Bill. The Duchy of Lancaster (High peak Mining Customs and Mineral Company) Bill was read a second time and ordered to be committed. The General Reversionary and Investment Company's (Imposition of Stamp Duty) Bill went through Com mittee. The following Bills were read a third time and passed— Cheltenham Improvement and Health Bill Magneto-Electric Telegraph Company Bill. United Kingdom Telegraph Company Bill PETITIONS. Lord C. MANNERS presented a petition from Lei cestershire complaining of agricultural distress, and praying for protection. Sir W. VERNER presented a petition from the county of A rmagh against the National system of education. Mr. MUNTZ presented a petition from an individual, formerly an i.ffieer in the Austrian navy, complaining that during the war his ship was seized by a British cruiser, underthe impression that she was a French vessel, and since then he had been striving to obtain redress from Government without success. The petition prayed the house to take his case into consideration. Mr. ANDERSON presented a petition from 1,000 mariners frequenting the port of London, praying for the unconditional repeal of the Mercantile Marine Act. Mr. LOCKHART presented a petition against Papal aggression. Mr. COWAN presented a petition from Edinburgh, praying for the abolition of tests in the Scottish Univer sities ; also a petition fro m th e same pl ace , pray i ng f or the abolition of the annuity tax. Sir JOHN YOUNG presented a petition from Cashel against the Ecclesiastical Titles Bill. Mr. PACKE presented a petition from the Agricul tural Society of Leicestershire complaining of agricultu ral distress, and praying for protection. Mr. A. HASTIE presented a petition from Glasgow against the Public Houses (Scotland) Bill; also a peti tion from the fish dealers of the same place in favour of the Fisheries Bill. Mr. COBDEN presented a petition from a place in the West Riding in favour of the People's Charter. NEW W RIT. On the motion of Sir DE LACY EVANS, a new writ was ordered for Greenwich for the election of a burgess to serve in the present Parliament in the room of Mr. Barnard, deceased. PETITIONS. Sir G. PECHELL presented a petition from the tem perance society of Brighton, praying for the repeal of the taxes on knowledge. Mr. FORDYCE presented a petition from Aberdeen in favour of the abolition of tests in the Scotch Univer sities. Sir J. PAKINGTON presented a petition from Droit wich complaining of the expense of the rural police. NOTICES OF MOTION. The dropped notices of motion were re-appointed. MERCANTILE MARINE ACT. Mr. WA WN asked the President of the Board of Trade when he would be ready to lay a Bill on the table for the amendment of the Mercantile Marine Act? Mr. LABOUCHERE said the Bill was nearly ready, and he hoped to lay it on the table in a few days. ECCLESIASTICAL TITLES. Mr. SCULLY presented a petition, numerously signed, from the county of Tipperary against the Eccle siastical Titles Bill. The House then went into Committee on the Bill, Mr. BERNAL in the chair. Mr. KEOGH said as Lord J. Russell had promised to introduce a clause to prevent the Bill being construed against the synodical action of the Roman Catholic Cnurch in Ireland, it was not his intention to move the proviso to the end of the clause which he had placed on the paper. Mr. MONSELL moved the insertion of the following words to the end of the clause:—" Provided always, that nothing in this Act contained shall be construed to interfere with or in any manner to restrict the free action of the Human Catholic church in the United Kingdom in matters of a spiritual nature." He was sure there was no one in the House who was not sincerely anxious to avoid those angry bickerings which had for so many days past di vided the people of this country and Ireland into two hostile camps. The amendment he proposed would not altogether satisfy the views which he individually entertained on the subject, but he could not conceive it possible how any Hon. Members. who were really desirous to maintain religious liberty, could oppose it. He knew there were Hon. Members opposite whose vote he could not expect on this occasion, but he was unable to conceive any grounds on which the Noble Lord at the head of the Government could consistently refuse to give him his support. It was evident to everyone who had paid any attention to the discussions in the House, that while on the one hand the opponents of the Bill declared in a dis tinct and solemn manner that they had no desire to interfere directly or indirectly with the temporal authority of the Queen, on the other, it was equally clear that those Honourable Members who supported the Bill distinctly stated that they had no wish to interfere with the spiritual action of the Roman Catholic Church. Under those circumstances it seemed possible that the two parties might come to some sort of agreement upon the question which now divided them. The question was this—who was to decide what is spiritual and what is not spiritual? Now, the proposition which he made would have the effect of leaving the decision of that question entirely and absolutely with the civil courts. If it were carried, it would not bo for the Roman Catholics to decide what ells spiritual and what was temporal— the decision of that question would fall solely within the jurisdiction of our civil courts of law. It might be said, perhaps, that great litigation would arise if such a course were adopted, but he had only to appeal to three great authorities against the truth of that as sertion. Grattan distinctly said, the statement that the Roman Catholic Church in any way interfered with temporal matters was the calumny of a scolding sect.—(Hear.) The Rev. Sidney Smith asserted, also, that in all his experience ho never knew a single in stance in which the spiritual power had encroached on the temporal power, though during the time Sidney Smith alluded to there was a Roman Ca tholic hierarchy in Ireland. Lord Plunkett, again, said on the occasion of the Roman Catholic Emancipa tion Bill debate in the House of Lords, that though during the previous thirty years the most acute minds had made the most searching inquiry, they never found a single instance in which the spiritual power of the Pope had interfered with the temporal interests of the people of this realm. He would leave the motion in the hands of the House, trusting that it would be agreed to in a spirit of conciliation. The SOLICI ['OR-GENERAL said that he should be sorry if any expression should fall from the Govern ment indicative of anything else but that conciliating feeling to which the Hon. Gentleman had alluded. The Hon. Gentleman must, however, remember that the question which he had raised was one which had been before the House several times during the long discussion which they had had on the Bill. The Hon. Member had proposed one himself of a similar nature.—(Hear, hear.) The answer then given, which seemed to satisfy the Committee, was that in reality if any spiritual purpose were pointed out which would be interfered with by this clause, it would be most desirable they should pay attention to the subject, and endeavour to devise a means to pre vent such interference. But no such purpose had been pointed out in the course of the debate either by the Honourable Gentleman himself or any other Honourable Member, except that the Bill would interfere with ordination, and therefore with the sacrament of marriage. Now it had beea pointed out, then, that the functions of bishops did not depend upon the titles held by them, but upon their ordination. And in fact since the year 1829 ordination, and marriage, and all other sacra ments, had been going on with as much freedom as pos sible. That being in reality the only suggestion pointed out with any interference which the Bill would effect, he thought it was rather too much to ask the Committee to consent to a clause which would only introduce con fusion and difficulties in explaining the cause. Mr. MONSELL continued to maintain that this Bill would interfere with the action of vicars -apostolic, and he remarked that the argument of the Solicitor-General did not touch upon the point at all. Mr. SCULLY said the speech of the Solicitor- General applied only to the action of the 10th George IV. This Bill, however, went much further than that Act, for it rendered illegal the introduction of every bull from the Court of Rome, and therefore inter fered with the ceremony of ordination. No bishop here after could be ordained in Ireland, and every act done by a bishop would be illegal. Mr. SADLEIR was exceedingly sorry that the Go vernment had not acquiesced in the amendment. Those who proposed it were quite ready to make any verbal alterations in it to meet the views of the Minister, but the fact was the Minister was opposed to it in principle, and he would not therefore allow it to pass under any circumstances. True, a similar amendment had once or twice been proposed while the first clause was under discussion, but they wero told then that the first clause was purely of a declaratory charaeter, and the time had not then arrived when such an amend ment could be; entertained. Now Government had often announced that they had no desire to interfere with the spiritual affairs of the Roman Catholic Church; but what they laid down as a precept they were not disposed to put in practice, or they would not hesitate to adopt this amendment. But, said the Hon. and Learned Attorney-General, it would be dangerous to pass this proviso, because the 'Semen Catholic attributed a different and a larger meaning to the term spiritutual functions than the the Government, could prove, Protestant; but ho must take the liberty of denying that littl e to him what determination the assertion, which he was convieced neither the Honour able and Learned Gentleman,However,any h e C otheroCommittee supporter mi t t matteredtee ulti mately. were determined_ ,t,came to on this subject, the majori ty .as ho as well as of u that the present system of go his Roman Catholic fellow-subjects verning apostolic. tht,t,rshe3o.uhldrcfuhreeshthoeunald tournedtuerrgnotontohecshyagntegme. They were oetermined that no Bill, however stringent of t f s pr o bishopsv is o u n p s Mr. J. O'CONNELL said, if he Thrione. while it t r r e e m co e m m m be e r n e d d e r d i e h g t . l i . e v . , the lanai] t se the House not to Spoenec this from et the subject, in terfere with the religious liberty of the people Now if this proviso ?giro not adopted would the beats be oeroPlYing The question that clause 3 stand part of the Bill was then put. Mr. KEOGH said the proviso was not originally in the Bill exempting Scotch bishops. After a few words from the Earl of ARUNDEL and SURREY, Sir G. GREY said there was nothing in that clause giving them a right to assume those titles. Mr. GLADSTONE said there Wes a very material distinction to be drawn on that discussion between the bishops who held their titles under a foreign authority and those who did not. Although that clause took away somewhat of the intolerant character of the Bill, he should like to see it extended to other bishops besides the Scotch, who did hold their titles under a foreign authority. He might be told there were none such now, but could it be said that that would always be the cage ? Sir G. GREY said the measure was to meet existing cases, not imaginary ones, as suggested by the Right Hon. Gentlem an . Mr. OSWALD sa;d the territorial titles of bishops had been used in Scotland since 1721, and therefore it was erroneous to suppose that they had only been called into requisition within the last few years. Mr. GLADSTONE did not think that Parliament had any right to in ter f ere i n that matter except on the ground ofinconvenience or danger. They here placed restric tions on the principle of religious liberty, but had not shown on what grounds they did so. Mr. REYNOLDS said that as that was an emanci pating clause he would not vote against it; but if a divi sion took place he would leave the House, as he was de termined not to give his suffrage in favour of any clause of that Bill. ' The clause was t h en agree d to w i thout a division. Mr. S. CR A.WFORD then moved a clause to the effect that the Bill should not extend to Ireland. He thought there were very good reasons for the adoption of that proposal. The act of aggression against which the Bill was directed had no connexion whatever with that coun try, and had been expressly confined to England. The Ministers had withdrawn certain clauses of the mea sure, as originally introduced, in order that they might not interfere with the reasonable exercise of the juris diction of the Roman Catholic Bishops in Ireland; but the most eminent lawyers differed upon the point whether the measure, as it then stood, would not still seriously affect that jurisdiction. They proposed to prevent Romsn Catholic Bishops from taking the titles of any sees. But as a particular seo was indispensable to the ministration of a Roman Catholic Bishop. such a provision was equivalent to depriving Roman Catholics altogether of the right to have bishops. He would re mind the Committee that Parliament had already pur sued a different system of legislation for the Established Church in Ireland and the Established Church in this BANKING DEPARIXEN T. Proprietors 'capital .. 14,553,000 Rest • .. 3,097,191 Public deposits (In cluding Exchequer, Commissioners of National Debt, Rav ings-banks, and Di vidend accoun,s) • • 7,809,278 Other deposits .. •. .. 8,907,866 Seven day and other Bills .... 1,058,899 £35,426,231 Dated the 10th day of June, 1 Government securi ties (including Dead W e i g ht Annuity) • • 13,544,291 Other securities •• .. 12,837.29 Notes .. • • ...... 8,417,100 Gold and silver coin.. 627,324 £ 35,426,234 MARSEALL, Chief Cashier. - THE SATURDAY EVENLNG, JUNE