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p ri:;" ------ ---.._-________--. r vac the Dl ember ember for Meath (Mr. Grattan) rose after the and against the rescinding of the recent resolution passed by thekciolinsiideration of th e , nd alluded to certain measures not immediately under the House. the House. The Hon. Member fur Mn FORSTER presented a petition, which, as w w el a l s a f s ro w m e to th,,_gmnshire, upon the assumption that he was to reply could understand . amidst the noise and confusion,. and ~'.'e extraneous observations of hii Hon. Friend, got up the underwriters of Lloyd's, which he said contained several Th e ,101ated the se w ords of , rules of that Asienabl -- (Hear, hear.) important facts, and the petitioners. declareldhatbraetstirticmildwbaos eilleetpienee of Hon. Member were in substance 'that, in impossible to carry on their business while ,ebat e „, .or new matter having been introduced a new in force. Also another petition very numerously and highly, respectably signed by admirals, general officers,. fi n es t tb."ags. tgenerated. The Hon. Gentlemar!, onewould also physicians,a or n t ' a u e c , would at once have addressed himself to th t a a t and professional men, against the new regulation What k i n, 0 would at least have mace some reference third petition from a place, the name of which we c ; ould not eAvej as .,f ln the Hon. Member for Meath-that he would hear, to the same effect. Was he did the pretended cause of his rising; but the fact dr. DISRAELI presented a petition from a place inßucks, jest lciro u d ici oe n e e d t even allude to it.. Upon the main sub- in favour, we believe, of the new regulation. waold be .by his Ho n . Friend (Mr.. Grattan) there h Mr. M. GIBSON presented a petitionfrom eig th n e ed in b e y et t in h g e held the night before at the London Tavern, Nord ea time •• and opportunity for discussion, but this . l t , he reaelution at he hoped the House would now be firm in chairman, chairman against the continuance of the . restriction.. li ec th e Ho which it had passed.-(Hear, hear.) But favour hea o r f the r w es h e e h a t a e e d it a w p as et i r m tio p n oss i are f or a Douse n. Gentleman sai iwe are for a monarchy-woe new arrangement, 'tee impossible 1 e t Btit. representinof Lords-we are for a House of Com- Sir J. PAKINGTON apprehended that Hon. Members line n . , 'tta sue "°, himself and his friends. But the Hon. Gentle- go on, but as be objected-(Cries of " Order.") th -1,. 1 , a fe "e3 w ao ' ted " ot do you want? " He would tell him what ' Mr. , ROEBUCK said that it was not competent to the , hut all ee toos luah had not been conceded to them-they wanted The SPEAKER had nut observed that the Hon. u l s ember making objections to the petitions, or that he was out Tears , i lon of the franchise. It was now nearly twenty w f as d r a ce theca the Reform Bill had been passed, and they had . or' e_ to ths s often attempted to obtain a franchise more suitable Sir J. a 'grow u J . PAKINGTON said that it was not his intention to, for be en fo l i c ie g_ , wants and wishes of the population, but they mike any observations on the petition. . 2 eat en ,' ain almost every instance. Even A proposal Much confusion, and cries of" Go on," amidst which . 'atone s to aft . ta the period for the payment of the rates three Mr. LOCKE rose. He said he felt himself placed t in ha a t , t he 4rhalisetria usta af , 'ear than the Original Pealed had not been carried ' difficulty. He had a petition of importance to present l .1 had of thirteen years. The Hon. Gentleman was of personal interest to himself. He i l f ia i el lis c m ert o a t r o i n y c s o a h i l u d , e R e f orm i d ; el been in Parliament he would have opposed in the early part of the evening, that let eask him if he was always of that not come on betweea eleven and twelve o'clock, he would tditlirl-(flear hear.)m Si r ISRAELI not press it forward. Two or thnresaeaGaleinyt,lacmadenhoenhtabdetoopld posite side had addressed him personally, Ir la H a , intimated that he was. Fri end (m • 1 &-Will the. Hon. Gentleman look my Hon. them he would not bring it on after eleven o'clock. Tile 41 ta3's of t r h ' a n' t. o arree . ) in the face and say that he has been Hon. Member . was proceeding, when disorder was renewed, during which en, b ie ~ -pinion ? Sir 8, AE Certainly. ha •HA Mr. COBDEN presented a petition, .but neither the pur new LL - Certainly Why the Hon. Gentleman Port nor the name of the place from which it emanated could a tb t ,ene tina st . lTd . , be heard. ,forward a.; the grea ' champion of rotection otsid e ofhiheiot opinions now entertained by Gentlemen on Sir R. INGLIS was understood to move that Mr. F. Mac-., kenzie be heard. resolved hare determined House. The Hon. Gentleman said in effect- The SPEAKER put the question that Mr. Mackenzie be a hol eoa ta oetermined upon the-Reform Bill, and we have . these were it shall be final measure." Let me ask him go do --er e alwa . a.. heard.-(No, no, and go on.) The SPEAKER said that the Hon. Member for Honiton k r wc to th 3 a his principles ? - (Hear ) Did he , , not • O'n o e borough of Hh Wycombe as the pratge of had risen when called upon to bring forward his motion, and d g e ' a dow o n n u n eh and Mr. Hume? ((Hear.) Hear, hear.) Did he not he apprehended was in strict possession of the House. Ap , re ar derpeals had been made to the Hon.. Member to put off his mo te h to re there auspices? Did he not en tion, but the Hon. Member was in possession, and ought to , s e to Present Marylebone?-(Hear.) Did he not aysriseiPles°_ go r y present Parliament for that borough on Liberal have the option of proceeding or not.-(Cheers.) When the Hen. Member sat down any other Hon. Member might 4' l th e 14, (He ar.) Why, I can tell the Hon. Gentleman ae!!!'. 4l l - d 'gill? the very shape in which he framed_ his ad- speak. Ne e ideas place in which he wrote it ; and if I had any Mr. LOCKE rose again, but as the noise prevented a word ha ve( i „ beat p e a the debate would have taken this turn, I would he uttered from being heard he resumed his seat. p - ,.',` ti glite e Pared with a copy of that excellent address.- S . li - . INGLIS then rose, but was received with a storm calls ir to order and for Mr. Locke, and " Chair, chair." 1 - ,:atlea lai ; and cries of "Hear.") Yes, I can tell the Hon. of Sir it INGLIS - 1- esnectfaily submitted that, after the att a 3 Pee eod °f the very place in which that address - I :et, 4, , and I will too.-(Laughter.) It was in Crawford- Qpeik r had called upon the Hon. Member for Honiton, he 1 e ij 3 anston e nad a pu e t another question from the chair-namely, " .That Was • e n• Cant -square, in the borough of Marylebone. the petitions do lie upon the thble?" Upon that queste sad la Lig house rnan visited a tallow -chandler there, and it the Hon. Member for Droitwich rose, and, therefore, the tie e°f "Question." e that address.-(Great lhughter, Hon Member for Honiton was not in poss.ession,-(Much Celiora and ) Question 1 • Aye but this is the 11: gh ter.1 , h ° Very ugly question it is too.-(Renewed cheering, and renewed confusion.) He took this ground the utmost respect to the Chair, that the Hon. Member te s' e r9neel, oi There sits the Hon, Gentleman (said the Hon. with Honiton had net that audience of the . House . to which he it:'ecist Party to Mr. Disraeli), the champion of the forPro would have been so well entitled if the intermediate question th,.elied been there sits the Hon. Gentleman-who says . had not been put.- (Cheers.) t o l,ttef erro `ilan the House, he would have voted against The SPEAKER said that, according . to the rues ofetmhe leardigh ne ac a L- and yet that same Hon. Gentleman went House, no debate could arise on petitions. The Horn. M f et eni nand il'ulbe under the auspices of my Hon. Friend . wardof the late M O'Connell and ut himself barfor . 'il)I b ' Droitwich had risen to speak tot hat subject, and the question resecting t o pe a as.-- sent Marylebone borough on prin fgoest (Cheerie aril cries of " Question.") I have the thought it ri g ht t that t t h o e s ate st et Feet for the talents of the Hon. Gentleman ; but have elle oppor d un y e t m he be s r ui f d o e r ct Hon of p to u n tt e lo h .g ou o. l ff d eo atiti Le 4. fac ts -facts in' which, I believe, the Honourable he thoug pil h e t aokn t . h u a Mu t Hon. Member was still in t h n s eet toe 'l f t l lerriber for Nottingham (Mr. O'Connor) can phis motion, thought ossesl the - debate slnuld not proceed further, any Hon. (lieu, hear, and cheering.) If the House ro hand am wrong -and I again assert that, under ti :e arid t l i cd seal of the Honourable Member for Mont , r ash e. t• le late Mr.however, that Mr. Forbes Mackenzie Member was at liberty to move the adjournment of the . House. The question, fin th "as sent down O'Connell, the Honourable Gen en. eH o -own to' High Wycembe. Ido not be heard must be first put. the Gentlerofut•khan went to the whole extent . of the is %a r k. , t he Charter. Ido not say he was quite up to Mr. A. HOPE attempted to address the House, but in vain. oottl'ellada;t° evidence he was a decided Liberal, I think there horo syi th ti ‘ le id li enee t Mr. DISRAELI said a . few words, but w w e r s e r u e n te r r s e t d oo n d et h u i l l y n inaudible by the buzz which prevailed. 0 prove.-(Question.) I have now to say that the Hon. Member for Honiton bad . certainly hed .i ' le u of tl on- Gentleman. There he now sits the Iv bee n n lo Proteetionist party-the Hon. Member who said, that after eleven o'clock he would not bring on the ti Yesa i b e _candidate for Marylebone-a candidate for High motion. ut when these arrangements were made for the D . 4 , 1 1as wip uo . Liberal principles. I hope the lion. Gen- convenience of Members the House should,not be too severe 11'1"otrahtill'eln the snirit of his own prophecy-that if the ,44 0 ,, te . ~,), the eearried` in their interpretation. , I Wh k en a t n la d e considering House returned the nature from the o f division it was eleven o c oo , we on this si e o .. • 'd f the House will be aso ao „, , electors-but meet me on the himings-an id 't D o ther e ts o. f,Bso that he may what mattered ? it the question-which he did not . think required a very long meet that same tallow. chandler debate, if they did sit up a little later, I , t ecethi a k i4 ughter, and cries of " Question.") I will not was much more desirable that the subject should be disposed all go awry; and lie collected the pea it if foie further, nor would I have at all touched of than that theyshould j e k uler re at t e Hon. Member had not in a most unusual feeling cf .he Mouse to be that the Hon. Alember for }billion " and " Goon.") n et befo re ° P e ued the debate and gone into the whole sub- should speak.- N - hal. prie the House. I will support the motion of my e kr, b/at the Menaber for East 6 e "Withdraw, j; r r a e w ate ‘N r ,i i t i h oig x e u a l w e ri nf o : confusion here arose, with cries of We understood Sir Robert Inglis , erh a •sitAurr y . . abl e it l i 'a the EL IR ow rose, after a pause of • a few moments- to refuse to withdraw his motion that Mr. F. Mackenzie be heard, and that motion was then put from the chair, and .et/ me if a e Will not think it obtrusive or objection e ear, hanswer the questions of the Hon. Gentleman. negatived. ces e .. , ear,) 1 d Cle o 'Plariaii,_ nayt propose to offer any very' length- Mr. LOCKE then rose, but was heard with difficulty amidst the buzz and incoherent sounds which filled the at ei,, sale with hi ll s of conduct. What the Hon. Gentle- would respond, to the arO o r tieere y ch an air of originality was said in the mod here of the House. He said he %tajW"Stated times before. The House may not remember. best of his ability, to the feeling and wishes of the House, bi z i, OS' w as n .Pon so insignificant a subject ;if they did, it and ' would detain ' them for as short a period as possible; fur he felt that at that time of the night he could not expect "e ha h quite unnecessary for the Hon. Gentleman to th„,tu , anai e _raes, or that I should give an answer to them. that attention with which at an earlier period of the evening --` 4 ( 1 -'!' B, 40WeVer, to correct soma errors in matters of the 10.,.. I trust the they might possibly have favoured him. Ho assured the _ y g to h ._ w , . near.) Isro o .(Re ar , House will hear ' me whilst I explain House, however, that . the stoppage of the Post-office was a importaece, and one that demanded a The Hon. Gentleman was entirely subject of very great and much more careful consideration than the House Z„ Pla ce :', hole statement. I never was a candidate for larger. had bestowed. The House might be assured that in any kuen****-(Iroo' close the merits of the Re - orm Bill were in ques- . n lour 'cal eheeri • 'etl e w as pa cheering, and cries of Hear, ear. „ h , Th a t remar s . 3 k he m i g ht make he had not the slightest intention kr,. el timi an. _ d ssed at the period to which the Honourable of imputing blame to any Honourable adember, but this sea r . have be u es--- (Renewed ironical cheers.) Whatever he would say, that the day on which the debate on a w leete, / n en the eccentricity of my opinions on political this subject occurred, and the resolution passed, happened to laa......(criaaas alwa ys - consistently opposed to the Reform be a day on which some races were held, and, consequently, 1' alg Part's ef " Hear, hear.") I in opposition to the aley, and . ,was eo , ay e e _ in 'Deposition from no interested motives- Members, therefore, had been taken by surprise.-( Hear.) iertaie eaPressed the o• • I have d to-night-I 41 a1 T "eu th em pinions ohe . . The Noble Lord the Member for Bath had undoubtedly made saw ory ep i ni sa as the traditionary, historical, legitimate, his statement with great moderation, an . d however much he ?ti g h t 4 great ;. B of the people of this country, and when I (M cat ocke) might differ in opinion • • • • ' with him as to the beano tor 0 ,cal movement made b t which phon-of teru es ti °r wa ne ,. , y a par yto , h Ihe had laid down, there could a h ens w h ee I was opposed, Igave utterance to my sen-of his motives, of the mo of the urity and charity doubt i . te a lgs, as a' e u the Reform Bill - deration with which de had propounded his views to the thene oon ed o ae__ I was propos! ,d I o osed the upon the great of House. The Noble Lord bad dwelt much e a v aation 4 ieaaah hear) opposed the Whig settlement number of petititions which had been presented to the House he n . s 'etr e oe _•_••••• 'ar, -and I only accepted it because , aeept ed - tin favour of the views he advocated. .1 petitionsc) was e.,",1 totally mist k i *- (Cheers.) But the Hon. Gentle-10a,,a or that I aen when he says that lam now op- not prepared to deny the number of to that ef aa'at, b eeau ever at any time 'opposed to that settle- , Any that se I was . e a•as feet or to deny that the greater number might be on the Lord • but when it was remembered how N all at I ever said in favour of Parliamentary finality e e side of the Noble, s-(Elear, hear) - was the process of getting up petition . , . stat e wOlild Justify anthing in this House or aut of it a I n a e sy doubted whether the House would be jestified . in con enetnent. , ilea they Hon. Gentleman in making that , , . et g the greatness of number as a basis tor settling such ea . 'aie oil the al r e mei I went down to the borough of Wy ei ai rmen as this-(Hear, hear) -or in accepting such a test iiiyor Montro recommendation of m Hon. Friend the Mem afelu hlic o inion. These titions were not the safet guides as °t I3 '°r ' that W I lived in that borough • I was bred O PU . . 40 nin that tower the _ln other incidents; and from this circumstance, as well in legislation, an dangerous it was, to set in House What'NA,. to , itgelsbeieve that I now represent . how easy it was, but how the organized machinery of the conventicle as to the a th „ Which that bo situated. Hear.)( As to motion 'ad then neon, Gentle roug -Sabbatical observances in this country.- eculiar mode of s o 4 tallo eh man says about Marylebone borough P t that ma dings of those who once se h it 3 , the 11 audler, I will not dwell upon. That bo- (Cheers.) . The procee was most unjustifiable. They did not e aeals, and id . Baronet, by some hap chance, now re re- ehinery in action character of all other persons who did Dan n ? ''' reviles_seaY by the aid of that tallow-chandler whom sitate to thedar t k o en subscribe to their peculiar tenets, and this caf e 'Pal et; au Pport (A laugh )-although I dare say he is his not choose to the House. During the last session he had alo ' n'° ll of th g r. - (Renewed laughter.) I have no re- he coned.. prove the attention of the House to the sub- Dr Yeti t i ll , e circumstances excet that I believe I em- felt it his duty to call el aion l e ' ' ll . an • SPeakin 'ject of railway communication . on Sundays, and he had made ,aaet,,,, this address- Irecall no ex- , g generally, can a motion respecting lines of railway not ' te al o P"esea- which • 1 cannot, of course, answer for the h . was at that day. At that time the same active mac inery leet 11,11111300 I have e,c s not in perfect unison with tihe ever work, and he had received several letters on the subject, the o tlitio a e t e lvocate of pa p r T a s m ed h t ere. I d l is t elaim h h h a a v t i N n y g as e t y h e e r tenor of which provei to him the mischief that waspr he 11 hi R friendsate by the en ary fine i T erh a / Noble Lord (Lord J.Russell) and his th tnenta r repeat, I was opposed to that system of would . read to the House, merely as an instance of the vicious to of ti,Y settlement, because it was opposed to the in- ' motives and feelings which actuated men who resorted to eth o inians and con -4.ll,,ltleive f,„ e PartY wit hi h nnected and not those moans for influencing or coereme e p , . I d on this 'len' not - raY Mind to the c interests wasco ofthe ' t I duet of other men. and of the spirit that presai . e .4.. . . further notice true . coun rah question. The Hon. Member then read the following extract e td a ezt o? o rn iona 1 uhhek those ludicrous misrepresentatims. will from the letter :-" Although lam not personally acquainted T h : ar o to P Sou sa uPtiold.- (Cheers.)u Z 1 y youth I now maintain, and with you, nor have ever seen you, but as I hear and read in the e • • For - divided, when there appeared- the papers about you; and see the way you want to disturb the motion peaceful land, Scotland-my conscience compels me to Against• "'" 100 our it ~. - - ... 159 9eewrite you against the cursed Bill you want to pass in Th. Ma' ' • - tcotias jonty against the motion..• - na Parliament for compelling railways to run on Sala ams accordingly lost. bath, and to carry second and third-class passen . COLONIA ' gers. I will demand of you, and answer me It _alr. ANs,,m., L AND FOREIGN COFFEE. in Scripture doctrine (if you are able), 'are you sad rotted to inquire moved that a Select Committee be really thinking that you are greater than . your Maker, who de • f"eian trnaihre into the declining state of the colonial made the whole universe? Are you making a law of your fra rie e d ; e an , este in celiac., and of the public revenue thence own to set the holy law of God at defiance? Do you want to tideprri et i g n Whether such decline is attributable to any ,rob us of the day which God gave us to rest upoh and to _ e bosh__ practise whether by the sellers of coffee. or others, and as to -r k hold. 1 Diyou want to rob God of the worship that is o ii ri ty of a ;eans of preventing such frauds. In 1846 the quan- due eep to im on that day ? Do you want us to become agents 6, eniCtiLeetered for foreign export was 51,813,6511b5., for the devil because you are one? Do you think that t i:' 32 o,so6 lb3 °uta' was 786,654/. In 1849 the antity was you are a gad yourself ? Do you think that you will rule Isequantt *, upon which the duty was 643,2181. In 1816 over us like the Pope of Rome? Do you want to turn the ho e ie s aaentered for home consumption was 36,793,0611b5., kingdom of God into a kingdom of devils? It seems to me !!hol e c : t t t aa 4 , l it had sunk to 34,434,0941b5. During the that you think all these. 0, may God open your eyes and ,/ real co in- Period there was a decrease in the consumption arti c l e, coin- while there was an increase of the fictitious a -your error, and make you wise (for indeed you let you see t be wise enough when you take anything to C olonel Br • . d' not appear to of God). Don't you hear God crying from Stilted th 4CKALL seconded the motion. He refire- do with the you, 'O, do not this abominable thing ! 1 ./ 44a e cofiee planters of Ceylon, who desired that no die- Heaven to r sayi ng Now, what is this abominable thing that ion duty should be levied n chicory, but that some " 37 should which I h h a e t r e e? It is your violating his law. Do you think Th ey cur take place into the sudden depression in coffee. God says cane., riveted from 25 000 to 30 000 acres of land, with a you are able to contend with God? You want to force o'6' ) , l T f 1,280,000 L embarked' l / people from God to thou serve satan. You want to deprive he "" °1 • or 100 000 L , and a year y ont ay of of th • ting day, Art more just than them eir res God? ar d on th ' , and were, therefore, entitled to be en __ e subject Youcrucifying the Saviour a second time. You want f sue kalA , • are of hisglory. Have you never read the t at , NCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER need go no to rob him God? _. dose fart her than the II book of the law of nowesthou K t not that God worked so copse- on. Gentleman's own statements to show • 'ere sear a Committee would be. When the facts days himself, and rested on the seventh day, and he corn six . Aare admitted. what were they to inquire about? Remedies mended his creatures to do the same? not man alone he (be suggested : it was admitt d . " commanded thus, but also thebeasts of the field that work (R ear.) lie would not • e they were applicable.-of for the man. He saw that theywould need a day rest, es i . . go into the arguments he had used them seventh portion of time to rest from all , 4 former occasion. If he t r ad edpr and he gave a r• 0 the manner in which the an excise inquisition their earthly labours; and he said unto them, 'Remember aa‘ , ore ee carried on, he would be .is month was over have the whole the Sabbath day to keep it holy.' It is a day made for man ; The diminution - which had been referredole country in a flame.. is a day fur the worshipping of God particularly ; all L° the i th , importation of foreign coffee. to was attributable it is employments are to be laid aside that day. When --a; at this n conclusion he said neriod of the session the i the Sabbath l command was given to the children of Israel, Prove to be • leas 1 nquiry proposed would bd r. , a most boo one.- ( l e „ .) they were bound tokeep ale GIBSON agreed it would be useless to for I entirely disapprove of your In 1 ee • is ee ra' tt a had been appoint a 13* doings vex My soul greatly, ey suggested i %k it h , a remedy n a petition ' ill If you would send a Bill before Parliament to stop all t he dun e presented, which was, that they should equalise railways running on Sunday in Great Britain, then I would 4 Protest on foreign and colonial coffee.. Colonial coff ee h ad not only be pleased with . you, but would b o Idpray God for a bless ket a r luag duty de() per cent., and it kept out of the mar-acted the reverse, ing on your head ; but since you hate . quite Forst e nigh. flavoured coffee, and chicory was u-ea with the hi trying to establish a carnal law against the spiritual law . orst caf e lo th e . e•of Ceylon. They declared they had confidence of God my prayer will be for a curse on your head as (he 8 y)i:ciple of free trade.--(Cries of " - Oh oh." Gi long as' you t• ein your evil practices, and on every wit said b h f bu :in •• his coff v e e , e British farmer the benefit 0 3 h c one else tha c t ca is mu of the same mind as ourself." That Si r ./ t e lPg burdened with protection. of , , , letter was only a sample of the many of the same (Lae • IYRELL said he was a grower cnicore.- kind which had come to him during the year. [The furghter.)lt was considered profitable crop.-(Laughter.) reading of the • d with much laugh• passage was receive , Itnished a a labour, for the purpose of • ter 1 II brn iin . . great amount of e had alluded to this letter for the purpose of warn y,„ ing the Noble Lord and his supporters in these opinious, that to t ali 4 1 t into the market in a proper state.-(Hear.) `-'l' voting for the promotion • t f th• a lim o the refused to and practical enforcemen o is j ) , llt dut c Chancellor of the Exchequer had peculiar doctrine of Sabbatical observance could do no raged 3r, upon it. It was used with coffee, as it was sup- sible good, and would on d ' -• I it, and ° give the Mocha flavour.--(Laughter ) He repeated hear)-and to show to end in a violent re-action--(Hear it, a GIVe the Mocha fiavour.-.-(Laughter) He repeated hcar)-and to show to publ i t a n a't io ent re-action-- Hear tau,rassttood by it.who entered upon this , Then as to the price, it was an impor- dangerous question what ') kind men f u persons they were by 1 i ta.p t sed ter in the consideration of this subject. As to being w hom this agitation was carried on. The resolution he had gllan o . , t ,'Pon, the agriculturists suffered in the purchase of 1 to move was as follows :---.. That, whilst this House acknow use e e it aut as far as the use of chicory was concerned, the 1 ledges with satisfaction the diminution in the amount of a Sop eri ' was found beneficial to the poor, who got thereby Sundae , labour' effected by the ;scent arrangements in the Chancel' article than they otherwise could obtain. If the self, that ienetf the post-office, it cannot but be sensible of the public incon- Exchequer became an agriculturist him- venience which has arisen from the total cessation of any t'ltsit e, urest would be better protected upon the benches i dentvery or collection of letters on Sundays, and that an al n , A.Nerea- e . Ane if --- L'. replied. ' humble address be therefore presented to her Msjesty, pray ouse theft. . ing that she will be graciously pleased to cause an inquiry to For tl divided, when there appeered-the amount of Sunday labour might not le motion be made, whether 1 t• * A gainst it - ... - „.. ... 60 be reduced wi 'thout c..rnplete y put ing an end to the collec- Mat o • '''' ••• •-• •• • 205 and delivery of letters, &e., on Sundays; and that, pend 'on S t ND nt Y ••• . 145' tiinquiry, her Majesty will be graciously pleased to AY Rl' - ..' *-- ing such and delivery of letter:, &c., On Rl's IN . dcrs that the collection _ ~ a n ,, ,ur re-admission a , THE POST-OFFICE. grve ter 11 be continued as heretofore. In the first re uoatie turn of al ion to the gallery it was eleven o'clock, i on Sundays, shall 4 ri l d etio n of wilic i ; Leeks had arrived to bring forward the place he would say that her Majesty's Government had not the amount of labour in the the delivery of the r he had given notice, for the virtual re- ! received that credit fur reducingto which they were justly entitled.- , er eeve ry on beams !gulations in the rostooffice regarding ' Post-office on Sunday . o ai the na i ß ßEs z e s sof letters and newspaers, I (Hear, hear.) The B Noble Member for Bath had ed i t midst of noiso KENZIE was upon his legs, speaking ' mitts!, indeed, that great efforts had been made, and exertions, but he felt gnath ur e 'L ust 1,0 _ ,c and confusion, and expressing the hope great good had been effected by those of odd they had done brin g it '''' t Cake ea. i u ti proceed with the motion at so late ; strongly that the aggregate amount l. `• Ca ~ tarty g .d before the public iOn 4, after ten The Hon. Mover had said he would not had not been properly or sufficiently p c ' 'which sever 0, eo,„or eleven o'clock.- ("Oh, oh •;" i who should become better acquainted with a the great reduc could not c ) ll 'u• M and lent in Sunday obtain tethers great confusion, in the midst of 1 tions that had been made by the Governu , d extracts . si r R. IN a h ear tried to address the House, but 1 Post-office labour. The Hon. Member . i GUS tem 'ag) here quota not be h Tlill in order to show the had on th -'" that a fulland fair discussion from the report of Mr. Rowland _ ~ I - in the nit ne y-order , li on. iv star . e bosonlaid could great extent of the reduction of laeour . _ Hill said 0 , 000 , had said at that hour of the night. The dep a-11 - tient of the Post office. On this point elr. e cos . 4 , a night......(„ d ( cvsould not bring it on after ele ven ...." St ill I was of opinion that with whatever inconvenience .. '49 119nOlitAble Me 111 g ° On ;" " No, no.") nibera the 1 the improvements might be attended, they would be ac tit prolented petitiOnii fOr . opted by the public it accompanied by another rlea4ure conferring an equivalent advantage, an opinion which, not withstanding some complaints, has, on the whole, been jus tifi dby the result. :Such a measure, as your Lordship will remember, was at that time under consideration, and had long been regarded as a desideratum, viz., the transmission of the ' forward' letters through London oa the Sunday, with a view to their delivery on the Monday morning, a measure which I felt confident might be effected, not only without any addition to Sunday labour, but even, when taken in all its bearings, with a great reduction thereof. Even in the London office, on which alone the labour of such transmis sion would fall, I saw reason to believe that in the event the total amount of Sunday labour, so far from being increased, would be actually diminished by the improvement. I need not remind your Lordship how fully this anticipation has been confirmed by experience. With these views pre pared, under your Lordship's instructions, the minute of the 3d of February, 1849, submitting the combined measures, of closing the provincial offices throughout. England and Wales on the Sunday, as a general rule, from ten o'clock to five; of restricting their Sunday deliveries in all eases to one, and, on the other hand, of ' providing for the transmission on the Sunday of the ' forward' let ters through London, so as to be delivered on the Monday." There was an epitome of the whole report in an able article in the Nit number of the Quarterly Review, to which he requested the attention of the House. Tee llonourable Member then read the following extract ;-" On the 7th of January, 1849, the money order Sunday business was -finally suspended throughout England and Wales, thus suddenly relieving 450 provincial post-offices; on the let of April, 1849, the suspension of the money -order Sunday business was extended to Ireland and Scotland, thus re lievieg 234 additional offices; on the 28th of October, 1849, the provincial pesteoffices throughout England and %Vales were not only as a general rule closed on Sunday from ten o'clock to five, but their deliveries on that day were restricted to one. By these measures 508 provincial post-offices were closed for about three additional hours. In 191 post towns, 233 deliveries were discontinued, and 3CB letter-carriers re- lieved of one hour and a half each of Sunday duty. On the 29:h of December, 1649, in the suburbs of London, beyond the three-mile circle, the early Sunday delivery was trans ferred to a very late delivery on Saturday night, by which 191 persons were entirely relieved from Sunday dirty; on the 13th of January, 1850, in the provincial post-offices through out England and Wales, further extensive relief was given 1, by the discontinuance of a large number of Sunday mails; 2, by the disuse of money pre-payments for all inland letters, by which restrictions 576 provincial post offices and about 4,000 dependent offices were closed on an average for four additional hours." The effect of the several measures adopted by the Post-office had been to relieve every Sunday upwards of 6,000 persons, on an average, for five hours and a half each.-( Hear, hear.) Those general reductions were in the act of being made when the Noble Lord the Member for Bath introduced his measure to the House, and when the House, forgetting all that had been done and was being done, stopped the entire postal service of the country on Sundays, in the expectation that Sunday labour would be stopped at the same time. He (Mr. Locke) w i as strongly of opinion there was no reduction of Sunday labour. There might be the shifting of labour from one class of employes to another, but there was no re duction in the amount of labour necessary for carrying on the required communication of the country. - (Hear.) It was true that letters and newspapers must remain in the Post office until Monday morning, but arrangements were made for the employment of persons to deliver newspapers totally distinct from the Post-office. The railway companies had set the example of carrying newspapers to every station of the line, and had them delivered on Sunday. In the great towns of Liverpool and Manchester, and in other towns, there was a distinct class of persons organized to deliver newspapers. - (Hear, hear.) In a letter from Mr. Heywo od it was stated that he was ready to establish boys, like the Post-office, for the delivery of letters. In a letter from Willmer and Smith, of Liverpool, they stated that they would deliver newspapers by their own messengers on the Sunday morning.- (Hear. ) He also begged to refer to another communication from a correspondent in the Times, who stated that be and his father for thirty years had been booksellers and news paper agents, and that they never had sold any newspapers on the Sunday. The newspapers were sent to the sub scribers, and they visited them for the cash ; but now they had to employ several messengers to go about the town and perform what had been done by four postmen. Then there were placards posted on the walls stating that newspapers would be delivered, and there was scarcely a beershop in the town that was not taking in Sunday newspapers under the new regime.-(Hear, hear.) Could any one doubt that by the division of labour it was necessary to employ a larger amount of persons than were employed when the business was conducted through one channel? But that was not all. Those facilities were open only to the rich.-(Hear, hear.) The poor man could not get a special messenger or send par cels by the railway train.- (Hear, hear.) He begged to read an extract from the letter of a surgeon, who stated that he came from the country to attend a funeral which was to have taken place on Monday, but on his arrival he found a letter had been sent to him, stating that the funeral was postponed to Tuesday. The consequence was, that during his absence one of his patients died. He (Mr. Locke) also called attention to a letter from the superintendent of a lunatic institution, stating the difficulties that would arise in communicating with the relatives of patients under the new system. He likewise read a letter from a medical gentleman referring to the Nardship which that system would cause to the poor in cases of sickness, and a letter from Dr. Laycock. of York, to thaSsameeffect.-(Hear, hear.) A letter posted on Saturday afternoon would not be delivered until the Mon day morning following, though the destination was only a few miles, and that delay would be felt throughout the whole country.-(Hear, hear.) The morning mails would be only, available to the extent of 200 miles, and the detention of the delivery beyond that extent must cause serious inconve nience. A vessel sailing from the Thames called at certain places on the count, at Dover, Plfmouth, and other places, to receive dispatches, and that vessel might sail on a Sunday , or a vessel from Hull might sail on Sunday, and in such cases the passengers often availed themselves of the Sunday night's mail to communicate with their friends, but that ad vantage was now taken from them, and it should not be taken away on light grounde.-:--(Hear, hear.) But is the Noble Lord to limit the application of this measure to the Post-office ? Why not comprehend other public depart ments and private establishment , ? Why were domestic ser vants to be deprived of that rest which was . essential for the Post-office ? - (Hear, hear.) Because, if they asserted that principle in its entirety, the whole country would see the extent of the mischief, and that it woult, in fact, overturn the whole framework of soeiety.-(Hear, hear.) How he asked, were they to rest on the Sabbath, an d what was ;he rest they were to enjoy. Was it relaxation, or fa t mily intercourse, or innocent recreation ?-(Hear, hear.) It was the preparing of the mind for great religious and moral impressions-purifying the heart by the contemplation of God's works, and resting from labour-stirring up in the mind the precepts of Christian charity and duty, on which a man may meditate during hours of toil-that was the rest of christianized and humanized men, and constituted that so; t cf society that made families happy, communities contented, and nations free and prosperous. In conclusion he begged to move the resolution. Mr. ROEBUCK seconded the resolution, and did so be• cause he had not had an opportunity of expressing any opi nion with respect to the resolution that had been passed by the House. He took it that those persons who had aided in passing that resolution had been actuated by one of two opinions. One opinion was, that the matter was a religious matter; the other was, that it was one cf mere policy and convenience. When they came to discuss the matter those opinions crossed one another, and, as the disputants might happen to be affected, each opinion was employed in refe rence to this subject. He would take the liberty to separate them, and bring them, as far as lie could, clearly , and defi nitely before the House, and would ask the House upon which of the two, or upon both, they were determined to rest their decision.-(Hear.) Directly and broadly he would assert, that as a religious question the House of Com mons had no right to deal with it. He had been told by those who claimed for themselves the right to express an opinion to the House that their opinion was that the House had no right to thrust down the throats of laymen a religious opinion.-(Hear.) Who would come forward to vindicate that right? Was it the Dissenters of this country? Were they, of all other men, to do so, who instructed their repre sentatives to come to that House and say there should be no State Church, and who asserted also that there should he perfect freedom of religious opinion? - (Hear. ) How could these very men sign petitions insisting that it was the duty of the House to enforce what they called the observance of the Sabbath?- (Hear, hear.) Now he (Mr. Roebuck) de nied totally that the Sabbath was known to the Christian religion.-( Hear, hear.) He spoke it seriously and gravely.-(Hear, hear.) He was not speaking there for the purpose of exciting any opinion but that of conscientious and deep concern for the interests of the country, and he asseited that so far as Great Britain was concerned, this was not a question within the competence of the House of Commons, for it was not the Jewish Sabbath they were endeavouring to enforce, it was the Christian Sunday-a thing very dif ferent from the Jewish Sabbath-(Hear, hear)-and none of the canons against the breach of the Jewish Sabbath could be properly directed against any act performed on the Christian Sunday.- (Hear, hear.) If he 'wanted an autho rity, he could go back to the great fathers of the Protestant Church, beginning with Luther and going on to Calvin and other authorities of that Church ; and every one of them said that the Christian Sunday was what the Church called a feast day-it was not marked' by ascetic observances, it had nothing to do with the Biblical Sabbath, it was a day of rest, a day set apart fur human observances and far hu man purposes, and upon human grounds he was to justify his proof of that assertion.-(Hear, hear.) He did not pre tend to argue with any other man respecting his religion with. that he had nothing to do ; it was a question for him and the great Author of his being, he had no desire to inter fere with them, and would that the same humility would persuade other men to abstain from forcing their opinions upon others.- (Hear, hear.) The second matter was the political observance of the state; and he came to it with a full knowledge of the great benefits which mankind derived from a day of rest. Ever y man who work ed with anything like seriousness or conse cutivness wit h head or hand must be grateful to an institut ion that g ives him peace one day in the seven. No man could more fully understand the value of such a day than one who belonged to his profession; and if an observance was established that gave him relaxation on the seventh day , he was most humble a nd grateful for suc h means being p rovided for him. - (Hear, hear. But let them unders tand what that me ant. Let it not be run away with by a w ord or a name, a nd let them ask what they wished to consider e s rest.-(Hear, hear.) Rest to th e body and to the mind to the lar g est number of the commu nity to whom it can b e afforeed.- (Hear, hea r.) How could it be afforded to t he lar g est number? There were certain works of absolute neces sit y , that could not be got rid of; b u t necessity was a nar row word.- ( Hear, hear.) Then came:that which mankind might consider not altogether a matter of need or necessity, but of habits become almost such. - (Hear, hear.) The Noble Lord talked of the work of postmen on Sunday-that he would discuss presently,- (Hear, hear.) Where was the difference between the post man's work and the labour of the servant, who in the morning laid with parade their Sunday's breakfast table, and who prepared the coach to go to church, and brought it back again for that humble servant of the Lord who had ridden to church to pray?-(Hear, hear.) How many of them who had signed the petitions bad confined themselves to the necessities of the Sabbath ?- (Hear, hear.) What were the necessities of the Sabbath? A healthy man required a crust of bread and a glass of water for his food for twelve hours. Was there any man who con fined himself to that?- (Hear, hear.) There is an Hon. Gentleman opi osite who is at the head of a large brewing concern, and he wanted to know from him if they malted oa a Sunday ?-(Hear, hear.) In doing so, were they workers in a matter of necessity ? It was said that malting required e:ght days, and that it was necessary to give the community an argument te good beer, therefore Mum and Co. malt on a Sunda3'n. (Laughter.) lle A d n h d e n f o u t rt a h r e i r gh th t a t n o ituhttaitt,rahte a e wanted dto know how many public-houses wire open in which beer was so works of necessity? [An HON. MEMBER -Not allusions. ]-Ile dtd r ot know that Meux by personal and Co were Mem .lle--=-ot,(Aulfaucgol:l)re-e,buitnhtebketnell7oo- - ere but t s in much e vainbers hypocrisyof that H e , ei called l v o L u i e c h h ed was ourselves, he u mu necessity, s t e e h muchw h e morewe spoke)rld ; of an ti d lin th g a s t wi tla fr t ing,e:tant when it affected our interests. work of necessity ? The poor man worked hard forw was d a in the week. His education was not like that of gen x tlerl s that House. The mere writing of a letter for working THE SUN, LONDON, WEDNESDAY EVENING, JULY 10, 1850. man was a matter of trouble, it cost him time ; but he wrote it on hii dafeTt rest. Take the case of a factory worker, employed from six to six, managing to write a letter to his wife, or some member of his family in the country. He wrote it upon the. Sundry. According to the old system he deposited it in the Post-office on the Sunday, or, as the case . might be, received his letter on the Sunday. There was no such thing new.--(Hear, hear.) But with regard to the education of the poor man, it was itn possible he could be all day at church; or that his mind could be 'dedicated for so many hours to religious observance. Which then was the best—that he should have a Sunday paper, or go to the pothouse? The pothouse was open, but the newspaper box was shut; and he might not have his' newspaper, though he might have as much gin as he liked. (Hear, hear.) Then it was said that the new system was an abridgment of Sunday labour; but, he asked, did it abridge Sunday labour? As he had already said, it was the duty of the State to secure the greatest q'iantity of real rest for the largest portion of the people; but bow was that to be done?. By combination, and by employing the great arts which had been discovered for facilitating intercourse, which had made towns nearer to each other than villages in their suburbs were formerly. Liverpool was nearer London now oso than of thos ll e i g s h a Igoe:ammowas means, h vb u . h n y d , r e d t h e e , e n a , r s s h a o g o o, ld th w r e ou b g e h p t r h e e . vented from enjoying the advantage of these great dis coveries? The Post-office was a cheap, easy, and expeditious messenger for the letters of the poor man. To shut it up, then, for a time, was to prevent the poor man, during that time, from availing himself of that cheap, easy, and expeditious mode of rending his letters. Let the man be placed 100 miles from London, with his family in the metropolis. He was taken suddenly ill on the Saturday' night, and everybody knew how sudden were such visitations; but the next day, being Sunday, he could not send a letter through the post to communicate his condition , to his family. But if he were a person who was rich, he could dispatch his servant by the railway. The railway car ried the rich man's servant, who was his messenger; but the railway would carry a hundred thousand letters which might be so many messengers for poor men.— (Hear, hear.) But the poor man was cut off from all possibility of rending his message, and he was obliged to linger, away from his family, unable to communicate with them,just because a pharasaical House of Commons bad said the Post-office should be closed upon the Sunday. They had, hoseever, been told that the House had been taken by surprise. The word was a very happy one. Though they voted for the resolution, a large number of Members never believed it would ever be carried into execution— (Hear)—and he believed the only surprise had been perpetrated by the Noble Lord at the head of the Government.—(Hear.) The Noble Lord took the House at its word; he accepted an unexpected majority for a defined and positive opinion; he had put it into effect; and the Noble Lord had done great evil (as we understood) by so doing. But it was said there were many petitions for the change. Yes; there came the clergyman and the minister with," Will you not sign the petition against postal labour on the Sabbath ?" and down went the name. The petition then came up to the House of Commons. "What are you going to do ?" said one Member to another. To which he replied, " I know it will not be carried, so I will vote for it."—(Hear, hear.) Unluckily it had been carried.—(Hear, hear.) He must say lie had now, for twenty years, seen the question fought in that. House with a full belief that it would never be carried; but it had been carried, and the very people who had signed petitions for it—hundreds and thousands of them—now turned round and said they never contemplated such would be its consequences.—(Hear, hear.) He appealed to Hon. Gentlemen on both sides whether they had not in converse with Members of that House, and in converse out of the House, frequently heard the statement, "I never be lieved it would be carried, and I could not believe that such would be the consequence of it."—(Hear hear.) What was it. then, which had been done ? Why, all that had been done was this—that a letter arriving at its destination lay there the whole of Sunday without being delivered. The railway travelled upon the Saturday night and the Sunday night, but the letters would not be delivered until Monday. The only persons, therefore, who were freed from labour were the deliverers of the letters. By the combination and arrangements of the Post-office a very few persons had been enabled to do the duty of delivery upon Sunday ; hut, wanting those arrangements and facilities which the Post office necessarily acquired, a great number would rudely do that which the Post-office had done well ; and, so far from abridging labour on Sunday, it would be multiplied fivefold, But there was yet another step. By Act of Par liament society had been told there was one thing which they should not do, and that was to carry a letter. Now, the ordinary habits of society would induce the public to say " You are not jastified in inter fering with the free exercise of men's liberty; and what is there to justify the State in saying that a sheet of paper folded in a peculiar way, and addressed in a par ticular manner, shall not be carried except by the State ?" But what did the State, on the other hand ? Whilst prohi biting individuals from carrying letters it undertook to carry them itse:f ; and therefore if he could prove he had de rived injury fairly and clearly from the arrestetion of his letters by the order of the Post-office, he had a fair action against the party who had so injured him. What, how ever, was taking place, and this affected the moral part of the question? The Honourable Member for Hooiton had read some advertisements announcing the measures that in dividuals we e taking in consequence of the closing of the Post-office on Sunday; for, could any body think that this moving energetic society would be " cribbed, cabinned, been carried?confined" Not iv ata aresolution societylike tht would rudely that which the Post -office did well, which would be which obliged i e(1 had t b o re quire the employment of five men where only one was employed before.—(Hear , hea r. ) Looking, therefore, at the question in a practical point o f view Le asserted that the House cf Commons had no right to inflict such a resolution upon the community ; and if any man said was one for the observapce of the Sabbath, he denied his right to make. that assertion, and declared it was nothing less than re ligious bigotry. The House had nothing to do with the re ligious question; then it came to a question of political exi gency. On this point it was clear that the pretence ot, abridging labour upon the Sunday was leading to a direct and positive increase of it. That increase would progres from week to week; and It would gradually break up all the, arrangehrenlS,ef the Post-office. It would eventually shake . that institution ter its base, for when once the people had been taught to look to themselves for the carriage of letters; great difficulty would certainly be found in inducing them to return to the Post office.— (Hear.) Lord ASHLEY said it was by no means his intention to enter into the length and breadth of this question, because he considered it already to some extent decided. (Hear, and some cries of .‘ Oh, oh.") The House had adopted a re olution upon the subject. The resolution so adopted had been carried to her Majesty under the advice of her respon sible Ministers, her Majesty had givenorders for the closing of the P os t-office, and he (Lord Ashley), in the name of t hose h e represented, demanded that a full and fair trial should be had of that resolution. Let the House consider how the question stood. The resolution was carried on the 30th May, and shortly afterwards the Minister of the Crown de clared her Majesty's intention to carry its terms into effect. But within twenty days after the order having been given' for the closing of the Post-office, a proposition was made to rescind the resolution; and he wished to ask whether within so short a period anybody could undertake to say a full, fair, and sufficient trial had been given ? Let the House see the manner in which it had been brought into operation. Let them read the terms in which the order was couched. Let him, too, call attention to an almost unprecedented matter in the history of Parliament. A question was asked from a Minister ot the Crown, whether certain facilities would be given for the purpose of carrying the resolution into effect, when not only was the answer that no facilities would be given, but a very strong opinion was expressed by the Mi nister that petitions should be got up and presented to the House to reconsider its decision.—(Hear, hear.) He there fore maintained that there had not been a full, fair, and satisfactory trial of the resolution. The number of signa tures to the petitions presented in its favour had been very nearly 700,00 J, whilst those presented against it since notice had been given of an 3 ,509 ; and the number presented a in mou it n s ted fav t o o onl ur, intention to rescind the order, had been as ten to one against, compared with those for it. Surely, then, some strong grounds were required to call upon the House to re vere a decision of such a nature ; and he asked the House e i ee r w h e ther either the mover o r th e secon d er o f th e proposition h a d adduced any facts to shak e , i n the slightest degree, the previous opinion of the House ? Wh ere was t h e i n convenience, i a t There i h u aa m da b bh e e r ee en o n f d instances enpeu tations deputations pointingh ad b e f e r n e,onu q i t u t o th t h e ee d quoted, but great none great and t t ew pointing extent counterbalanceot mth a dcici thet prevailr gi ealti n , co o n f xt.he comfortnei vnhe existing eieh bhuat system y o s a t n the arisen m ? True s e ii from towns o u contrary, there had benefit which had resulted f rom i t, and prayingthe Govern ment not to be a party t o resc i n d the hear.) The facts, therefore, did not prove inconvenience ; but they showed this, that ithose who wished to rescind the resolution were true to their own principles they must o pen the Post-office i n L ondon. (Hear, hear.) Every evil that, had been quoted in the country would exist in a tenfold degree if the Post-office in the metropolis were opened. The Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Locke) had quoted instances of inconvenience to parties connected with lunatic asylums; bat' was not that precisely the case of every lunatic asylum the metropo lis? The metropolis was the great concentration of all the lunatic asylums in the country—(A laugh) - and the cases were precisely analogous. He maintained, therefore, that there was something more for the House to consider than the mere rescinding of the resolution, inasmuch as all the argu ments of inconvenience to the country pressed wish tenfold more force upon the metropolis. But he did not believe incon venience had occurred here, for the system had prevailed for several years, and he had yet to learn what difficulty re sulted from it. Was it not, further, the case when a proposi tion was made a few years ago to open the Post-office in the metropolis, that it excited a degree of opposition a hich made it quite impossible for the establishment to advance.a single step towards it?—(Hear, hear.) The Hon. Gentleman, how ever, said he must warn the House, because of the way in which petitions had been got up. No doubt there were various arts employed in the getting up of some peti tions; but some reference must be made in determining both to the quality as well as the number of persons signing. Could the petition from Glasgow be sup posed to have been got up as the Hn. Gentleman had de scribed? The gentlemen who signed that petition were ca pable of judging for themselves. They were not liable to the charge of influence. Yet out of fifty-one members of the town council, forty-one had signed the petition; also twenty-two surgeons, sixty-eight procurato r s , and brokers , merchant., manufacturers, and capitalists to the number of no less than 500. Nearly 200 merchants, bankers, and others had signed the petition from Liverpool, and a great number of the same class that from Birmingham. All these petitions bore a character of not having been signed by par ties ignorant of what 'they were doing. He therefore was not prepared to say that the new system had had a full, fair, and satisfactory trial. The question had been argued al ready, and he stood upon two ;Tints- first, that there was the example of the metropolis, in which no mischief bad ever occurred from closing the Post-office upon the Lord's day ; and next that the resolution had bet. en carr th ied, and that her Majesty's Ministe rs accept i Hetherefore demanded a full, fair, and s atisfactory trial of it. The Honourable Gentleman had warned him against en couraging a spirit of puritanism. He denied that he did. He put it - mainly upon the ground that it under- ; was an act of justice to over worked right and call upon them paid men to and he denied that there was any do work not absolutely necessary. This language made no impression on his mind—(Hear) —and he only alluded to it to show the Hon. Gentleman that the strong feeling to which he had alluded was not all confined to one side on this ques tion. He would conclude by repeating that the House was bound in respect to the large number of petitions to which he had referred, in respect to the dignity of the Crown, and in respect to its own consisten c y , togive this measure a full, perfect, and sufficient ) Mr. AGLIONBY rose a midst cries of "Divide." He said the Noble Lord had asked if this measure had had a full and sufficient trial. He (Mr. Aglionby) would answer that it l had already been tried t oo long, andhe regretted exceed ingly that it had had any trial at all.—(Hear, he ar.) No thing thing cold so much tend to the desecration of the Sabbath as the very measure of the Noble Lord (Lord Ashley). It was Bowing the seeds of vice in the large towns in the coun try, and in his own borough (Cockermouth ) he could state that it was driving to public-houses on a Sunday twee w h o formerly frequented the Mechanics' institute, Sir R. INGLIS, in rising to address *the House, felt that he was about to take the place which ought to be occupied by a Tember of her Majesty's G Nernment, because the present was a question in which the honour of their Royal Mistress w f concerned.—(Oh, oh.) The Ministry aright have come do n to the House and asked them to rescind the order be re they submitted it to the Crown fo r a pp roval; but, of r what had taken plat", the Governme nt now ou g ht to de end the course which they had recommended the Sove rei fn to adopt. Did the House know how the em p lo y es in th Post-office had spent the first Sunday during which this m asure had liberated thernirom their ordinary duties? At Bristol between 40 and 50 of them assembled to render thanks to God for the boon which bad been conceded to them; in Manchester, 65 of them attended the church of gip Rev. H. Stpwell, who took an active part in the movement; and at Liberpool, 75 Post-offiee clerks and letter carrie rs walked to church four abreast on the occasion. The Hon. Gentleman then referred to the evidence adduced by Lord Overstone W i nn Mr. Jones- Loyd) before a Committee in 1838, with regard to the great moral good accruing from the cessation of the p ordinary pursuits of the week on Sundays , and con cluded 1 .4 h calling on the House to adhere to its previous decision. ord JOHN RUSSELL—Sir, the Honourable G entleman w o has just sat down has appealed so directly to the Go vernment, that Icannot help rising to explain the position in which we stand with regard to this question. My lion. Friend will not deny that the proposition originally made did not meet with our support. But my Hon. Friend seems to'forget the circumstance that it is not in our own power to withhold from the Sovereign an address passed by this Hbuse.—(Hear, hear.) The House having agreed to the address, and Members of this House being Members of the Privy Council, we - did not think we could have been justi fied in withholding that address from the Crown, which this Huse had directed should be preseutel to her Majesty, and this is a case of the particular difference which, as I stated on a former cccasion, draws a distinction between an address and a simple resolution of this House which remains on its journals, and may be erased or rescinded on the following day. Well, having accordingly presented the eddress to her Majesty, we were bound to give some advice respecting it, and I own it appeared to me, and in a consultation my col leagues were of the same opinion, that the only course we could pursue was to advise her Majesty to comply with the address.—(Hear, hear.) At the same time I did not disguise from the Sovereign, any more than my Honourable Friend has not disguised bis sentiments from the House, that that vote of the House of Commons was not in accordance with our opinions. (Hear, hear.) I certainly could have wished that this sub ject had not come on again so soon for consideration. How ever, the question is now brought before me, and I am bound to express my opinion and record my vote on the subject. I own that I do not think the shutting of the Post-office on Sundays is a question perfectly analogous to the practice of ordinary labour on the Sunday . ; nor do I either think it a question that is to be determined by the number of great bankers in easy tircumstances who are ready to support either view with respect to it.— (Hear, hear.) 'With regard to the Post-office, there is this distinction between Sunday labour there and other classes of Sunday labour, namely, that the cessation of Sunday labour in the Post-office does not confine the delay in the trans mission of letters from ono place to another to one day only, but extends to two days. A party writing from London to Glasgow has his letters delayed partly in London, partly on the road, and partly at Glasgow. The con sequence is, that if you shut up the Post-office on Sunday, there will be one day of the week which is a day of rest at the London Post-office, and another day's rest from the labour performed in the provincial post. offices. But if you decide that in every part of the country the Post-office shall be closed in the same way on Sunday, it is evident that there is more than one day out of the seven during which the interruption of the communication will extend. Letters could not be delivered until Monday morning. and, there. fore, postal communication is not similar to those questions which regard most other species of Sunday labour and the laws and regulations which the country hes adopted with respect to them. Now, as to the consequences which flow from such a regulation as the one now enforced in compli ance with the recent address from this House, I do not think, as I have already stated, that commercial correspond ence is the chief matter to be considered.—(Hear, hear.) I think if it was merely commercial correspondence that is concerned, it would be quite right to stop all labour in the Post-office on Sunday, and that persons at Manchester or Glasgow, who are engaged in commercial affairs should not have their business correspondence delivered to them on Sunday. As far as concerns commercial men in these towns, there is nothing to prevent them from carrying on their business on another day. But it is a very different question as far as regards the family and domestic affairs of the community, because it concerns their gene ral well-being, or the voyages of individuals from abroad, and still more because it concerns the illness, and it may be the imminent danger, of near and dear relatives. And, Sir, I cannot lose sight of this circumstance, that here is a par ticular department of the state peculiarly charged with the business of carrying letters, and armed with all the powers of the state for preventing other persons from interfering to perform that duty.—(hear.) It is therefore charged ex clusively, and takes upon itself exclusively to perform this particular duty. Supposing it conveys a letter on a Saturday evening from London, informing a daughter that her tither is dangerously ill, and unless she sets out immediately she may never see him again alive, or receive his blessing; and supposing that that letter having arrived in a provincial town early on Sunday morning, is there detained for 24 hours, in the post-office, while the daughter, knowing, perhaps, of her father's illness, is suffering all the agonies of protracted anxiety during these 24 hours, until she is at length permitted to see her letter. I remember there was a case that excited much attention not very long ago—the case of the Duchess of Sutherland—whose father was dying at Castle Howard. It was generally thought at the time very hard that she should not have been allowed to enter the railway carriage to proceed to see her father before he ex pired, and the occurrence attracted much attention, owing to the rank and conspicuous position of the person to whom the refusal was made. But this very circumstance which shocked the minds of so many people, from the apparent barbarity, and cruelty of preventing a daughter from going to her father, we might have repeated at present, under the recent postal change, every Sunday ; but with this differ ence, that the hardship would be confined to poor families, who could pay a penny for a letter, but who could not afford to send a telegraphic message or a parcel by railway; and this might occur in 50 or 100, or even in 300 instances for what we know, every time we detained letters in the Post office on Sunday. 1 own that I think, if we are to adopt this motion, we should take it in the sense in which I con ceive it is intended, namely, for an inquiry whether you cannot confine the delivery of letters on Sunday within such a short time as will enable the clerks in the post-offices of these towns to attend Divine service, and enjoy some re creation. I think that is an object which is very desirable, and which, as far as I can judge, it would be far from impos sible to attain. If that is the case, then, I certainly should consider it would be better to omit the last words of the reso lution, and that, instead of reverting to the former rule pending the proposed inquiry, it would be advisable to con. tinue the present regulation in the interim, care being taken that the inquiry should be conducted as speedily as possible,—(Hear, hear.) Mr. MUNTZ had supported the former resolution of the House on this sulject, because he regarded it as a great ob ject to the working man not to be employed on Sundays unless upon business of necessity. He had had a personal reason for it, because he had not had for years a comfortable quiet Sunday, owing to the multitude of letters he received on that day.—(Hear, hear, and laughter.) During the short time for which this regulation had been in force he had never sustained the slightest inconvenience from it, and he had had the pleasure of enjoying what he never did before, comfortable Sundays. He had received letters from various parts of the country, approving of the resolution, and stating the advantages experienced from it ; but never one against it. It was true he had seen anonymous letters in newspapers complaining of it; but he put them down for what he always believed such letters to be—the composition of the editor, or of some person employed on the newspaper.—( A laugh.) He had given the resolution his support in the first instance, after a very large meeting of his townsmen, at which ten persons out of eleven were in favour of it. Mr GLADSTONE was not quite certain that he had ac curately gathered the meaning of the Noble Lord. Did he propose simply to omit the last clause of the motion of the [lon. Member for Honiton, praying her Majesty that, pending the inquiry, the delivery of letters should be continued, leav ing the rest of the motion unaltered? Lord JOHN RUSSELL—Yes. Mr. GLADSTONE would then suggest to the Noble Lord that alteration would not meet the reasonable objections that were entertained to the motion. If the Noble Lord would take a day or two to consider—(No, no)—the precise form of the motion that should be submitted to the House, he thought that would be the course most likely to meet the convenience of the House, and to lead to an amicable settlement of the question. If not, the Noble Lord, how ever well he might intend, left the motion open to the most important of the substantial objections that were urged against it. He for one decidedly objected to come to a vote declaring that sensible inconveniences had been experienced from the arrangements lately adopted,as the resolution would be left. Having heard the statement of the Government, and the objections which had been brought against the motion of his Noble Friend (Lord Ashley), he very much wished that the subject, when first brought forward, had received a more full discussion. But the moth n was passed by the House, and to rescind the decision of the House was rather a serious matter, the more so when it was done so suddenly that it was perfectly plain that it was not done from expe rience.—(Hear, hear.) However anxious he might be to secure to working men the immense boon and blessing of cessation from Sunday labour, he was not prepared to say that in some cases for the public convenience that boon should not be withheld, but you could not say you were sensible of the public inconveniences that arose from the cessation of the delivery cf letters, when, in point of fact, you had not watched the working of the new system any length of time, and were merely acting upon a foregone conclusion entertained before the motion of his Noble Friend with the same force as it was en tertained now.—(Hear, hear.) But if it were objectionable to rescind the resolution of that House, much more was it objectionable that they should now take the course they were invited to take as regarded the measure. On the 30th May an address was agreed to, praying the Crown to put a stop to the delivery of letters on Sundays. It by no means followed that the answer of the Crown was to be a mere echo of the address; it was in the power of the Crown to take an inter mediate course, to institute inquiries, and proceed with cautien ; but Ministers thought themselves bound to give at once full and absolute effect to the address voted by the House. The answer to the address was received on the 10th of June, End the 23d of June was the first Sunday on which the delivery of letters was stopped. He was not prepared, and he hoped the House was not prepared, on the 10th of July, to come to a vote declaring that they were convinced, meaning of course that they were convinced by observation, of the results of the great public inconveniences resulting from the new arrangement.- (Hear.) The Noble Lord now virtually called upon them to retrace their steps, by condemn. ing a course that had been in operation only three Sun days, and he did not think it fair to the Crown that, having induced the Crown to take a very decided measure in consequence cf the address of that House, they should now, within three weeks, virtually invite the Crown to take a different course.—(Hear, hear.) The question was net now the same as was before them on the 30th May. With respect to the personal and family inconveniences, on which the Noble Lord had dwelt, it was perfectly obvious that this was a question of degree, and that the same thing might arise in towns where there wins no second delivery on Sunday, and they must place against this the immense ad vantages that would flow from the strict observance of the Sunday. If they wished to preserveaheir own consistency, their due relations towards their Crown, or the dignity of the Crown itself, in the face of the country, this was not a time at which they should re-open the question.—(Hear.) Mr. RICE concurred with the Right Hon. Gentleman who had just addressed the House in thinking that they ought not to vote the resolution as it would stand with the omission of the last clause. Mr. A. B. HOPE supported the motion, wishing to esta blish a rational and Christian, and not a Judaising observ ance of the Sunday. Lord JOHN RUSSELL thought, after what had fallen from the Right Honourable Gentleman the Member for the University of Oxfcrd, it would be desirable to come to some understanding as to the proper form of the resolution. It appeared to him that it would be quite /Sufficient, leaving eat the latter words, to vote that an humble address be pre smted to her Majesty, "praying that her Majesty will be graciously pleated to cause an inquiry to be made whether the amount of Sunday late ur may not be reduced, without completely putting an end to the collection and delivery of let t ers."-- ( Hear, hear.) Sir T. D. ACLAND would be happy to concur in the reso lution as proposed to be amended by hie Noble Friend, be lieving it to represent justly the feelings of the House. Mr. HUME was sorry to see such excitement manifested on a question which ought to be gravely debated. The pre vious vote, in a House of 140 Members was agreed to hastily and in consequence of Members being taken by surprise. He thought the opinion of the House ought now to be expressed on the original motion, as it would always be in the power of the Government to institute an inquiry. Mr. CARDWELL, after having given a painful attention to the debate, rose to express his opinion on this subject, as he represented a constituency which, more than any other perhaps, had taken an interest in it. He thought the course proposed by the Noble Lord was one which, in such a junc ture, would be approved of by the great majority of the peo ple. It was one which would tend on the one band to miti gate the inconvenience which would flow from a continuance of tl:e restrictions, and on the other, to pay a homage to those religious feelings which had been so strongly expressed on the subject. Mr. SCHOLEFIELD dissented from the views which had been expressed by his colleague (Mr. Muntz), and expressed his belief that a majority of his constituents were in favour of the removal of the newly-imposed restrictions. Lord D. STUART considered that the House was bound to express an opinion at once upon the motion of the Hon. Member for Honiton. Mr. DISRAELI did not think the wording of the amend ment had bef n sufficiently considered. It referred to Sun day labour in the Post-office, when in fact there was no Sunday labour. They therefore. cculd not address her Ma jesty to mitigate a thing which had no existence, Believing that the amendment proposed would stultify the object in view, he suggested that the best step would be to adjourn the debate. Sir GEORGE GREY said that if the Honourable Member bad read the whole of the amendment, the inconsistency he would indicate would not be found to have any existence. Of course the amendment had is view the past Sunday labout 6 in the Post-office. Lord J. MANNERS denied that the motion securing the present restriction had been carried by surprise. The House then divided, when there appeared — For the original motion ... ... 92 Against it ... ... 233 Majority ... ... —l4l On our return to the gallery, Mr. ROEBUCK asked whether, as it was not likely that the House would sit many weeks longer, it was proposed to institute inquiry without further application to the House? L.:-rd JOHN - RUSSELL thought the best course to adopt under present circumstances would be to leave the matter to the discretion of the Crown. He thought it was com petent to her Majesty's advisers to advise the Crown to make regulations permitting the transmission and delivery of letters. Lord ASHLEY wished to know whether he was to under stand from his Noble Friend, that supposing the inquiry was to take six weeks or two months—(oh, oh, and cries of " One week")—was he to under›tand that her Majesty's Ministers intended to 'act upon the report without previously communi cating their intentions to I'arliament ? Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that if Parliament was sitting, he would certainly state to the House the result of the in quiry, and the directions given by the Crown in consequence. If Parliament should not be sitting, he certainly thought it was competent in the advisers of the Crown to issue direc tions respecting the delivery of letters. An Hose MEMBER asked what sort of inquiry was in tended to be instituted? Lord JOHN RUSSELL said he could not at present state the exact mode in which the inquiry would be con ducted; but all the means at the, disposal of the Treasury and the Post office would be employed for the purpose. The amendment of Lord John Russell was then put from the chair, when Lord SfLEY said, after the explanation the Noble Lord had given of his intention to take the matter altogether out of the here's of Parliament, he must say, and he said it with great regret, that it was impossible for him to agree with the motion of the Noble Lord.—(" Oh, oh," and cheers.) Lord JOHN RUSSELL reminded the Noble Lord that his own original motion proposed an inquiry which was in every respect as vague and undefined as the present. _ Lord A, rose, but was received with loud cries of " Spok LordefOHN MANNERS said the Noble Lord opposite had reminded him that the motioa of his Noble Friend, which was carried, did propose an inquiry upon this subject. He would now ask whether it was not the duty of the Go vernment, before this time, to have instituted that inquiry, and to abide by the advice he had given to the Crown till that inquiry was made ? Lord ROBERT GROSVENOR could not consent to leave this matter in the hands of the Government, recollecting that the Chancellor of the Exchequer had on a previous occasion avowed that Ministers advised the Crown to consent to the motion of his Noble Friend, in the hope that thereby the people would be roused to petition against it. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said his Noble Friend had unconsciously misrepresented him ; he never used any phrase that could bear that meaning. Mr. PHILIP HOWARD rose to denounce the closing of the Post-office as a tyrannical measure amidst loud and continued shootings, which rendered nearly every sentence inaudible. Mr. FORBES MACKENZIE moved the adjournment of the debate, but subsequently, at the instigation of some of his friends, withdrew the motion. In answer to Mr. PLUMPTRE, Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that if Parliament should be sitting at the time the report was made, he would have no objection to lay that report on the table of the House, and at the same time state the advice he meant to tender to the Crown upon it, so that any Member would then be at liberty to move an address to the Crown upon the subject. The House then divided, when there appeared — For Lord John Russell's amendment ... 195 Against it ... ... 112 Majority ••• ••• ••• —B3 Several Bills were passed through Committee pro formd. The other orders of the day were then disposed ot, and the House adjourned at a Quarter to Three o'clock. TO THE SECRETARY OF THE BRADFORD REFORM ASSOCIATION. Sir,—On Monday the btb, the Mercantile Marine Bid was proceeded with to a certain extent in Committee. The rest of the night was expended on the Ecclesias tical Committee Bill. An obscure subject, on which very little light can be got by au ordinary intellect, from study of the Bill. The glimmering to be obtained is, that something is to be done by the Bill, which the Ecclesias tical Establishment would not do of itself; from which Vac conclusion with many will be, to incline them to its support. There seems so little danger of the present Government doing anything infuriate or rash in that direction, that average minds will lean towards giving it ass'Atanco. On Tuesday was an important debate on Mr. Locke King's motion for extension of the Suffrage. Tho language of the Opposition was remarkable for its osten tatious boast, that “ not one-tenth of the Liberal side of the House would be returned on a new election." This is the simple consequence of the nullity of defence made by the Free Trade party in the House. Everything has been allowed to go there by default; so that the boldness of the adversary has been encouraged to a state of lull , blown recklessness. The division nevertheless showed a substantial in crease of the Suffrage party. 100 voters, malting wi.h the tellers and six pairs 108, is a strength considerably greater than has been before exhibited. The Prime Minister as good as recommended, that a motion to the effect in hand should be made at tho commencement of the session, when there would be a prospect of its being attended with success. And it was a ladies in the Liberal party, that none of them et)od up and closed with the tempting recommendation of the Premier. The arguments of the Opposition were peculiarly feeble. That there were traditions in the English tried favourable to the preservation of abuse; that England was a monarchy, and a monarchy was incompatible with justice; that it was essential to the preservation of public peace that one vote of the Protectionist party should count fur ten of the other's, or which is the same thing, that one thOusend of their voters should send as many Members to rarliam.mt as ten thousand of the others; were the grounds on which they maintained the iudispetrableness cf 'wrong. The House afterwards proceeded to Mr. Locke's mo tion for an Address to tLe Crown, praying for inquiry whetherthe amount of. Sunday labour in the Post-odice might trot be redueffaithout completely putting an end to the collection and delivery of letters &e. ou Sundays, and that- pending kgcla,inquiry the collection and deli very-of, letters slulti4,4gt continued as heretofore. The mover AO the seep 444 01r. Roebuck) maintained their case with great abiiitY. Lord John Russell with great tact innved an amendment, consisting nearly in the same terms as the other, with the omission of the final clause relating to returning to the old practice pending the inquiry; which was finally carried by 195 against 112. The talent of the Premier in this manner relieved the country from a dilemma, which was every day grow ing more serious, and tending to consequences which everybody must have finally deplored. I arri, Sir, your obedient servant, . AN OLD REFORMER. lA - taint], July Ip,j-00. A 1.;4D1r Cur TO PIECES.—An accident of a truly appalling character occurred on the York and Scarborough Railway on Thursday last, by which a lady of independence, named Martin, met with a terrible death. It appeared she bad been staying at Holdgate, near York, and left her resi dence between three and four o'clock, with the intention of taking a walk along the hanks of the River Ouse. Soon afterwards she was observed by a gentleman walking on the railway near the viadact which crosses the stream in ques tion, and at the, same time a train was approaching at a rapid rate towards York. Site remained evidently uncon scious of its coming up, having her parasol before her, and was 'walking leisurely along the permament way between the line of rails until the engine-driver gave the whistle alarm, which attra4ted her attention, when seeing her dan ger slab turned round and ran back with the intention of es capiu. s,t nfortunately, however, the train was too close upon: lief, for in th 4. next moment or so the engine struck the unhiippy ,lady to the ground, and the whole of the carriages, 17 in numb -!r, pasiedover her body. She was dreadfully mangled ; her body, in fact, was literally cut to pieces. It was witb•much diflitulty her person could be identified. Not the least,blame could be imputed to the engine -driver, who did all-ita-his power: to prevent the occurrence. An inquest wasjaelAon the bodyaziatesday, and a verdict of Accidental Death wts recordel Al • t 4 . 1 , EAVERTISEM NT.I =-. Skin Diseases, Cutaneous Eruption,Ringworm, and Scorbutic Humours, cured by Hol lowayl6intment much virulence of these com plaintsit very much iriercand by the impurity cf the blood, therefore to cleanse the same is the first step towards checking the 12,sigtil effects • Ltlisse maladies on the constitution, and the A jlo medicin 'sfrlit.„l;fent for this purpose as Holloway's 1 Pill ; Mb which s SaldiVeapplied his invaluable Ointment , r as, W at- - combinedf thiiieTA's no disease of the skin that can resist their curative powers. For the cure of old wounds, glandular iviellings, and ulcerous sores, these medicines are unequalled.. - ---Sold by ail druggists, and at Professor Hollo way's Establishment, :244, Strand, Loudon. The mist agrteable..reuiv'ons musicales et dansantes . of the sea•wn hart beer!.iti!iose of Madame Anna Georges, of • Soho-strafe. ' 111 0-ioniiei: fir which theytaste have been conducted of the charm rtfl'ets the'lliOrast,ceqfit upon the good L ing 1 10 6'4 A t a-4 re quest of several if the habitues of these pleasant sairtles, we understand M a dame Anna Georges will COIIIiDUC them to the cud of the season. At these reunions several of the most talented Italian artistes now in town lend ; , their valuable assistance to the evening's anautement. PARLIAMENTARY DIVISIONS. (From the Y otes an•l Proceedings 0' the House of (, n;• • TUESDAY, JULY 9. POST-OFFICE. Motion made, find Question proposed,—" That, whilst this House acknowledges wi h satisfaction the diminution in the amount of Sunduy labour effected by the recent arrange. ments in the Post-office, it cannct but be sensible of the great public inconvenience which has arisen from the total cessa tion of any delivery or collection of letters on Sundays, and that an humble Address be therefore presented to her Ma jesty, praying that She will be graciously pleased to cause an inquiry to be made, whether the amount of Sunday labour might not be reduced without completely putting an end to the collection and delivery of Letters, &c., on Sundays; and that, pending such inquiry, her Majesty will be graciously pleased to give orders that the collection and delivery of letters, &c. on Sundays shall be continued as heretofore:"— Amendment proposed, to leave out from the word " That" to the end of the Question, in order 'to add the words " an humble Address be presented to her Majesty, praying that She will be graciously pleased to cause an inquiry to be made, whether the amount of Sunday labour in the Post office might not be reduced without completely putting an end to the collection and delivery of Letters, &c. on Sun days :" Question put, "That the words proposed to be left out stand part of the Question." The House divided MINORITY—AYES, 92. Abdy, Sir Thomas Fortescue, J. W. Repton, G. vr..T. Adair, Hugh E. Fox, W. J. Ricardo, John L. Aglionby, H. Gibson, Thomas M. Roebuck, JA. Ansley, Thomas Greene, Joha Romilly, Colonel Arkwright, George Grey, R. W. Sadleir, John. Armstrong, Sir A. Hall, Sir B. Salwey, Colonel Baring. H. B. Hamilton, Lord C. Scholelleld, William Berkeley, C. L. G. Henry, Alexander • Scully. Francis Blackall, S. W. Heyworth, L. - Shelburne, Earl of Blake, M. J. Ilildyard, R. C. Sinith, M. Tucker Blewiti, Reginald Ilobhouse, T. B. Smythe, George Boyle, Colone. Hodges, T. T.wisden Somers, J. P. Bright, John Hernby, John Spearman, H. J Brown, Humphrey Knight, F. W. Stephenson, Robert Clay, James Kira, Colonel Talbot, J. H. Cobden, Richard Lowther, Colonel Tancrcd, H. W. Cochrane, A. Lowther, Henry Thompson, George Cocabura, Alex. M`Cullagh, W. Thornely, T. Coke, Edward K.. • Mahon, O'Gorman Tollemache, F. J. Collins, William Manners, Lord C. Towneley, John Crawford, W. S. Marshall, J. G. Wall, C. B. Crowder, R. B. Marshall, William Walmsley, Sir I. Devereux, J. T. Mitchell, T. A. Wawn, J. T. D'Eyncourt, C. T. Moffatt, George Willcox, Brodie • Melt, Edward Molesworth, Sir W. Williams, TP. Dodd, George Norreys, Sir D. Wilson. Matthew Douglas, Sir C. Nugent, Sir Percy Worcester, Marquis Drag, J. S. W. O'Connell, Maurice Wyvili, M. • Ebrington, Viscount O'Connell, M. J. Fagan, William Osborne, Ralph TELLIES. Fitawilliam, G. W. Pelham, D. A. Locke, Joseph 1 Forster, Mathew Pilkingten, James Hume, Joseph MAJORITY—NOES, 233. Adair, R. A. Shift° Galway, Viscount Mu'grave, Earl Adderley, C. B. Qaskell J. M. Mundy, WilliaM Alcock, Thomas Gladstone, W. E. _ Muntz, G. F. Arbuthnott, Hon. H. Glyn, G. C. Newdegate, C. N. Ashley, Lord Goddard, A. L. .Newry, Viscount Bagge, William Gooch, E. S. Noel, G. J. Baines, M. T. Granby, Marquis of Norreys, Lord . Baring, Sir F. T. Greene Thomas O'Brien, John Baring, Thomas Grenfell, Charles W. Ogle, S. C. Bass, Thomas Grey. Sir G. Ord, William Bateson, Thomas Grogan, Edward Packe, C. W.; Bellew, R. M. Grosvenor, Lord R. Paget, Lord G. Beresford, William Guernsey, Lord Pakington, Sir J. Berkeley, Admiral Guest, Sir John Palmer, Robert Berkeley, H. F. Gwyn, liowel Palmer, Roundel' Birch, Sir T. halsey, T. P. Palinemton, Via. Blackstone, W. Hamilton, G. A. Parker, John Booth, Sir R. G. Hanmer, Sir J. Pearson, Charles Bouverie, E. P. Hardcastle, J. A. Perfectßobert Boyd, John thistle, Alexander Pigott, Francis Bramston, T. W. Hastie, Archibald Plowden, W. H. Brand, Thomas Hatchell, John Plumptre, J. P. Bremridge, Richard Hawes, Benj. Portal, Melville Brisco, M. Hayter, W. G. Price, Sir R. Brockleburst, J. Heald, James Pusey, Philip Brotherton, Joseph Heneage, G. 11. W. Reid, Colonel Brown, W. Henley, J. W. Rice, E. R. Boller, Sir J. Y. Hervey, Lord A. Rich, Henry Banbury, E. H. Hildyard, T. B. T. Richards. Richard Burghley, Lord Hill, Lord E. Robartes, T. J. Burroughes, H. Hill, Lord Marcus Romllly, Sir John Buxton, Sir E. Hodges, T. L. Russell, Lord John Cabbell, B. B. Hollond, Robert Sandars, George Cardwell, E. Hood, Sir A. Scott, Francis Carter, John B. Hotbam, Lord Seymer, H. K. Cavendish, C. C. Howard, Lord E. Seymour, Lord Cavendish, W. 0 Howard, C. W. Shell, R. L. Chickester, Lord T. Howard, E. G. Sibthorp, Colonel Childers, J. W. Howard, P. H. Simeon, John Clay, Sir W. Howard, Sir R. Blaney, Robert A. Clive; 11. B. Hutt, William Smith, Vernon Colvile, C. R. Inglis, Sir R. Smith, John Abel Compton, 11. C. Jermyn, Earl Smyth, J. hn George Conolly,Thomas Jervis, Sir John • Somerset, Captain Cowan, Charles Johnstone, Sir J. Somerville, Sir W. Cowper, W. F. Jones, Captain Sotheron, T. H. Craig, Sir W. G. Kershaw, James Spooner, R. Darner, Colonel Labouchere, Henry Stafford, Augustus Dick, Quintin Lascelles, E. Stanford, J. F. Dickson, S. Lascenes, W. S. Stanley, Edward Disraeli, B. Legh, G. C. Stuart, Lord Dudley Dod, J. W. Lemon, Sir C. Stuart, Henry Duncan, George Lennart', T. B. Sutton, H X buncombe, A. Lewis, Sir T. Thompson, Colonel buncombe, 0. Lewie, G. C. Thompson, Alderman Dundas, Admiral Lewisham, Vis. Towneley, John Pandas, G. Littleton, E. R. Townley, R. G. Dundas, Sir D. Lockhart, W. Trollope, Sir J. IM Pre, C. George Long, Walter Tynte, Colonel East, Sir J. Mackenzie, W. F. Tyrol!, Sir .1. Edwards, Henry Mackie, John Vane, Lord H. Egerton, Sir P. Mackinnon, W. A. Verney, Sir H. Ellice, Edward M'Gregor, John Villiers, Charles Ellice, Edward, jun. M'Taggart, Sir J. Vivian, J. H. Elliot, John E. Meagher, Thomas Vyse, R. H. Evans, William Manners, Lord J. Wakiey, Thomas Evelyn, W. J. Martin, C. W. Walter, John Farnham, E. B. Martin, Samuel Watkins, Colonel Fairer, James Masterman, J. Welby, G. E. Fellowes, E. Matheson, J. Westhead, J. P. Ferguson, Colonel Matheson, Colonel Williams, John Ferguson, Sir R. Motile, Fox Wilson, James Fitzpatrick, J. W. Miles, P. W. Wood. Sir Charles Floyer, John Miles, William Wortley, J. S. Forbes, W. Milner, W. M. Wyld, James Forester, G. C. Milnes, R. M. Fortescue, Chichester Moody, C. A. Fox, S. L. Morgan, 0. Frewen, C. H. Mostyn, E. M. L. TELLIES. Hope, Alexander Arland, Six T. 1). Main Question, as amended, put. The House divided: MAJORITY—AYES, 193. Ahdy, Sir T. N. Gibson, T.ll O'Connell,:3l. J. Adair, R. Shafto Glyn, George Carr Ogle, S. C. Aglionby, H. A. Granby, Marquis Osborne, Ralph Anstey, T. C. Greene, John Packe, C. W. Arkwright, G. Grenfeli, Charles W. Paget„Lord George Armstrong, Sir A. Grey, Sir G. Palmerston, Vis. naines, N. T. Grey, Ralph W. Parker, John Baring, 11. B. G wyn, Bowel Pearson, Charles Baring, Sir F. Hail, Sir B. Pelham, A. D. Bass, M. T. Hamilton, Lord C. Pigot, Francis Bellew, R. M. Hanmer, Sir J. Plikington, James Berkeley, Henry F. liatchen, John Price, Sir R Berkeley, C. L. G. Hawes, B. Repton, G. W. J. Birch, Sir T. Haytcr, W. G. Ricardo, J. L. Blackall, S. W. Ileneage, G. H. Rice, E. R. Blake, Martin J. Henley, J. W. Rich, Henry Blewitt, R. J. Henry, Alexander Rothack, J. A. Bouverie, E. P. Ilervey, Lord A. Romilly, Colonel Boyle, Colonel Ileyworth, L. Romilly, Sir John Brand, Thomas Hildyard, R. C. Russell, Lord J. Bremaridge, Richard Hill, Lord E. Sadleir, John Bright, John Bill, Lard Marcus Salwey, Colonel Brocklehurst, J. Hobhouse, T. B. Sandars, G. Brothert on, J. Hodges, T. L. Seholeileld, William Brown, 11. Hodges, T. T. Soully,Francis Brown, William Holland, Robert Seymour, Lord Banbury, E H. Horaby John Shell, R. L. Burroughes, 11. N. Howard, Lord E. Shelburne, Earl of Cabbcll, B. B. Howard, C.W.G. Slaney, R. A. Cardwell, Edward Howard, E. G. Smythe, G. Carter, J. B. Howard, P. H. Somers, J. P. Cavendish, C. C. Hume, Joseph Somerset, Captain Cavendish, W. G. Jervis, Sir John Somerville, Sir W. Clay, James Johnstone, Sir J. Spearman, H. J. Clay, Sir W. Kershaw, James Stephenson, Robert Clive, henry B. Knight, F. W. Stuart, Lord D. Cobden, R. Labotiehere, Henry Sutton, J. 11. Cockburn, Alex. Lascelies, W. S. Talbot, J. H. Coke, E. K. Lemon, Sir C. Tancred, H. W. Oollins, William 3 Lennart!, T. B. Thompson, Colonel Uowper, W. F. Lewis, G. C. Thompson, George Craig, Sir W. G. Lewis, Sir T. Thornely, Thomas Crawford, W. S. Littleton, E. R. Tollemache, F. J. Crowder, R. B. Locke, Joseph Toss neley, John Darner, Colonel Lowther, Colonel Townley, It. G. De vereux, J. T. Lowther, Henry Tynte, Colonel D'Eyncourt, T. 31`Cullagh, W. T. Tyrell, Sir J. Divett, Edward Mahon, O'Gorman Villiers, Charles Dodd, t;. Marsh 11, J. G. Vivian, J. H. Douglas, Sir C. E. Marshall, 'William Waltloy4Thomas Dandas, Admiral Martin, C. W. Wall, C. B. Dittalas, Sir David Matheson, James Wahnsicy, Sir J. Ebriugton, Lord Matheson, Colonel Walter, John Ellice, Edward ;Mule, Fox Watkins, Colonel Ellice, E., jun. Mitchell, T. A. Wawn, J. T. Elliot, John Moffatt, George Westhead , J. P. Fagan, 1V illiam Molesworth, Sir W. Wilcox, Brodie Ferguson, Col. Morgan, 0. Williams, T. P. Ferguson, Sir R. Mostyn, E. M. Wilson, James Fitzpatrick, J. W. Mulgrave, Earl Wilson, Matthew Fitzwilliam, G. W. Norreys, Sir 1). Weod, Sir Charles Forester, G. C. Norreys, Lord Worcester, Marquis Forster, Matthew Nugent, Sir Percy Wyvill, Marmaduke Fertescue, Chichester O'Brien, J. TELLERS. Forteseue, J. W. O'Brien, Sir T. Hope, A. Gaskell, J. M. O'Connell, Maurice Acland, Sir T. MINORITY-NOES, 112. Adderley, C. R. Frewen, C. H. Newdegate, N. Alcock, Thomas Galway, Viscount Newry, Viscount Bagge, William Gladstone, W. E. Noel, Gerald J. Baring, Thomas Goddard, A. L. Pakington, Sir J. Bateson, Thomas Gooch, E. S. Palmer, Robert I3eresford, William Greene, Thomas Perfect, Robert Blackstone, W. S. Grogan, Edward Plowden, W. H. Booth, Sir It. G. Guernsey, Lord Piumptre, J. P. Boyd, John Halsey, T. P. Portal, Melville Bramston, T. W. Hamilton, Geo. A. Pusey, P. Buller, Sir Y. Hardeastle, J. A. Reid, Colonel Burghley, Lord Heald, James Richards, Richard Buxton, Sir E. Hastie, Alexander Robartes, T. J. Chatterton, Colonel Hastie, Archibald Scott, Francis Chichester, Lord J. Ilildyard, T. B. Seymer, Henry Ker Childers. W. Hood, Sir Alexander Sibthorp, Colonel Colvile, (T. It. Hotham, Lord Shneor, John Compton, H. C. Inglis, Sir R. H. Smith, M. Tucker Cottony, Thomas Jermyn, Earl Smyth4John G. Cowan, Charles Jones, Captain Sotheron, T. H. S. Dickson, Samuel Knox, Colonel Spoonerßichard Disraeli, B. Lasedles , E . . ' Stafford, Augustul Dud, J. W. Lch, G. C. Stanford, J. F. Duncan, George Lewisham, Viscount Stanley, E. Duncombe, A. Lockhart, W. Stuart, H. Duncombe, O. Long, W. Thompson, Ald. Dundas,lGeorge Mackenzie:W. F. Tollemache, John Du Pre, C. G. AV Gregor, John Trollope, Sir J. East, Sir J. B. M`Taggart, SirJ. Verney Sir H. Edwards; H. Manners, Lord J. Vyse, R. H. K. H. Egerton, Sir P. Martin, Samuel Welby, G. E. Evans, William Masterman, John Williams, John Evelyn, William J. Miles, William Wortley, J. S. Farnham, E. B. Miles, Philip W. S. Wyld, James Ferrer, James Milner, W. M. FeHowes, Edward Milnes, It. M. TILLIZA. Floyer, John Moody, C. A. Ashley, Lord Forbes, Wm. Mundy, William Grosvenor, Lord B. Fox, S. W.IL. Muntz, G. F. It was accordingly resolvei, " That an humble Address be presented to her Majesty, praying that She will be graciously pleased to cause an inquiry to be made, whether the amount of Sunday labour in the Post•office might not be reduced without completely putting an end to the collection and de livery of Letters, Ike. on Sundays." LIFE IN INDIA. —Captain Albert Hervey's " Nar rative of his Ten Years' Residence in India; or, the Life of a Young Officer," will be published on Saturday next, also Mr. Shobe:l of Great Marlboro u g h. street, l olio has also now ready ale following new works " : -1. The Miser's Secret; or, the Days of Ja mes the First, an historical romance, by a di s tinguished writer , 3 v ols.-2. Mr. Sin account of his residence in the far famed Cinnamon i Island, entitl d e " Cey. lon and the Cingalese," 2 vols., with plates.-3. Colonel _Napier's " Excursions i n Southern Africa, including a COM- Plate History of the Cape Colony," 2 vole., with plates.- 4. " Two Years Personal Adventures in California," 2 vole., with plates, which, says the .3.lornirig Herald , one of the most attractive books of the season , and the is first rea lly authentic and reliable information we have receired..'' WEST INDIA PINE APPLES.—Messrs. Kceling and Hunt, in answer to numerous applications, beg to state that their publie show and sales of pine apples will take place at their warehouses, Monument-yard, City, on every Monday , Wednesday, and Friday, between the hours of one and three until Water notice.