The Sun. — London, England, 1851-02-08 00:00:00

gi:lbtri) UDitten A deputation, numerously attended, was introduced by Sir B. Hall, M.P., and Lord Dudley Stuart, to Sir G. Grey to-day, for the purpose of pointing out the general dissatisfaction of the ratepayers with the proceedings of the Metropolitan Commissioners of Sewers, and the speakers showed that the Commission now constituted is not in aceordance with the common law of the land ; sad Sir George confessed the ratepayers had lawfully the rigrlt of local self-government regarding sewers, wafer supply, lighting, paving, and police. After an in terview of nearly an hcur and a half, Mr. Nicholay en gaged to send to Sir George a copy of the requisition of the deputies of the several metropolitan parishes, to which Sir George promised an early reply. DENMAIM AND THE DUCHIES. The following is the proclamation of the new mixed Commission of Government of Holstein : " His Majesty the King of Denmark, as Duke of Hol stein, having, in virtue of the 4th Article of the Treaty of Peace of the 2d of July, 1850, demanded the aid of the Ceafederatien for the re-establishment of his actual authority in the duchy as the Sovereign of the State; thet aid has been granted by the Royal Government of Prussia and the royal and imperial Government of Austria on behalf of the German Bund. In consequence of this intervention the hostilities are suspended, the army reduced to one-third its force, and the facetious of the Stathalterschaft, and the chiefs of the departments of Administration under it, terminated. The Commissaries charged for the present with :he Executive Power in th e Duchy of Holstein have, in virtue of the4authority entrusted to them, ap pointed, a civil Administration for the State. It consists Qf Baron Adolph Biome , of Heiligeastedten, as Presi dent, and Baron Fleintze, M. Heinzelmann (Government Councillor), M. Malmros (Councillor of the Court of Appeal), and M. Prehn; they will administer the Go vernment of the Duchy under the control of the Com mileiaries of the , Confederation. In other places, and in dependently of their authority, the question relative to the definitive settlement of the relations of the Duchy of Holstein to the German Band, and to the Kingdom of Denmark and the Duchy of Schleswig, will be arranged. ."The hitherto existing Constitution of September 17, 11148, with the law relative to the election of the Cham bers, and the decrees of the 16th of September, and the 20th a d 21st of On-zober, 1848, relating to the Admi nisfraiiee, are hereby suspended and declared valid, and the Chamber of the Duchy is dissolved. In the same maener the German declaration of fuadamental rights .published in the Duchy is cancelled. "As no laws promulgated without the sanction of the 3overeiga can have any definitive legal force, it is expressly provided that all the orders, decrees, zed regulations published since the 24th of March, 1848. are only valid during the existence of the present interim Adminietratich, and ate to be acted on by it .with the reservation that it has the power to suspend or elter them without limitation. But the ad miri,eerative nr,a,urea which have been taken since the 24th of M:rcn, 1848. wit!, in the same manner, be con tinued and e;;I:etel in su fir :16 they are not suspended by th.: snip The private rights and re- Ltiors that have arisen. under tlit.‘e laws will not be „ 841.0 i ify their :,a:.p:Jn:,torl, • • Tto nittlerto existing Government of Sehleswig• Iho p3riers and functiln. of which had already, in reality, been limit•A to the Daehy cat t-lotstein, is in retereave t , ) the present state of affairs hereby set aside, and its powers transferred to the civil administration rwrr.e77; nt:w 6l...7crutnent wili, in the publireinn of new changing tin • ccursc oy the administration, 11w.4, coatiae ) voNa! i 5 nfC•vs.l ary " .1 - 47!e iw rc i.a hvreby for the informaticn obv?rvance of ate peilie, individually and collec 'tirply. the tarre of the Sovereign cf Cie Stale, and in behalfTLf tl:to G.araian Band. " VuSl REVLNTLOW-CRIMINIL. "V . "o:t THUMEN, Major • General. " Count MENSDORFF, Major-General. " Rid. F. b. 2, 1251." The chiefs of the several Bureaux cf tha departments will ( retained, as well as all the subordinate employes. The Df,rartment of Foreign Arairs is the only ouc ens s,dve,l without any intention of its being re-constructed . by the pnsent Administration. • MINING INTELLIGENCE. (Fiesta the Mining Journal of this day.) A considerable business has been done during the .week, but in many instances at a reduced figure, and our column ef. transactions shows, generally, a lower range ef prieesfor dividend mines, whilst fur others .there has teen a good demand, without any particular advance or decline. It is, however, important to note that the lrpnti /ide success of mining adventure hen been remarksiey exemplified in the sudden, though not un expected improvement in iieveial progressive concerns, and which bee operated most favourably on the value of the shares. We feel called upon to give especial cur reuey to the fact that several new cempaeies are pre- ' jectcd, with large paid-up capitals, thus compelling the adventurer to the payment of money which may never be wan:.cd, and operati,g perniciously, as we conceive, on the reaerseemele, by placing it ou a wrong basis at the cumeneuccmenz. - .. To call for funds as they are wanted appears to us the only legitimate mode of conducting Brttith mining opereti e ens. In the metal market, Copper is steady, without change. - English Tin continues in good demand: foreign has again advanced, but limited business has bran done, in cousequence of the small quantity offering. Leed with tit change, and firm. In , sir list of dividends for January, given last week, that of Northßo=kear, amounting to 7001, ought to have lima included, whice sum, added to the total amount, as euhlialsed, will maim the aggregate for the last mouth 24,9741. The sale of copper ores at Redrutla, on Thursday, was 4,799 tons, and produced 20.9221. 15s. 6d. The next sal , (3,240 tons) takes place at Itedruth. The sale of black tin horn the Great Beam Mine re alized from 481. 103. to 611. pee ton, the total amount being 3691. 12s. 3d. Georgia Consols sold two parcels of black tin-one of 541. 10i., the other at 30/. per ton. Bryntail Mine sold 18 tons of lead ore, at 114 2s. per ton. The Trelawny Mine sold two Freels of silver-lead - ores-100 tons at 211. Ils. 6d., and 70 at 21. 11s. 6d. per tee, realizing 2,3371. 15s. The Alltey-Crile Mine sold 30 tons of silver-lead ore, at 121. Is. per ton. A sale of silver-lead ores from East Tamar, amount iog to 65 tons, realie:d 14/. ptr ton. In a large proportion of our mine reports, the agents stNl complain that their operations have been impeded by the continued and heavy rain by which nearly every locality ' has been visited. At Trelawny, Wheal Mary Ann, Alfred Consols, and other mines, this obstacle has beets especially felt, and an improvement in the weathe is generally looked for as a means of giving increased activity to the workings now in progress. At Devon and C ourtena y, th e lode in the 40 rise is about 2 feet wide, yielding 1 toes of copper ore, per fm., ef excellent quality. :ANiineisi Athens, the lode is becoming more pro 'deeteee in the cross-cut w;:eorly, with every prospect, seconding to the report, of a large doposit of ore being speedily reechsd. At Holinhush, in extending the 120 fm. level, a branch . of tin' lead lode has been intersected, producing a very fair queutity of lead, arid in places rich for silver. East Oeceendale, the bunch of tin in the bottom of the 40; east of middle shaft, is extending both in length and breadth, and of rich gushy. At Treeneck and B mence, the winza sinking from the 20 to the 30 ina. level is stated to be worth 201. per fro. A great improvement has taken place at Wheal Cre. bur, which has caused a considerable demand for the shares at a mach advanced price, at which several trans actions have been. done, but holders are firm. At Borringdon Park Mine, the lode though only 11 fins. deep, is worth between 301. and 401. per fathom for silver lead. At Trolyon Consols, the tin lode still continues good in the 30 fathom level, worth 301. per fin. In Wheal Margery there is a good copper lode in the 60, and a p i tch will be set in a few days. The sampling of cop per ore is expected to equal the last, and the produce of tin is increasing. By Alfred Consols report, we perceive that the lode in tee 70 fin, level is 9 ft. wide, and worth from 601. to 701. per fan; and the lode in the rise and scopes over the heck of the same level is estimated as high as in the preceding week-from 1201. to 140/. per fin.; while the lode in the wince sinking under the 60 fm. level is stated at about 1001. per fm. . In the East Crowndale report, it is stated that, during the past month, the prospects of the mine have decidedly !Improved. In the 40 fm. level a rich bench of tin has been found, and the value of the lode taken down is esti mated at 1201. per fm. In other parts of the mine also good resets awe anticipated. The reports o fego for D: East et e month Tamar , and S ou th Tamar, on the operations are favourable. In the Semler, progress has b levtls; and in th e latter mine, a de in driving the different 124 fin. level is about to be driven, which is expected to be productive and profit able, and in the 90 so u thendth e lode has been gradually stampsicapr ovin e g ngi d n u e rin is g the whole also being oreo of ted the month. A new Singe the notices relative to the Cardiganshire mines, inserted in another column, were in typ e , we have re terAesitiitnyg. c c i h j a h : eeived additional information, of an ratter, up to the latest moment. Frrra the first returns made by the p resent comp any b ee n obtained this week, which more thi n coyer have the expenses. The firs t i ntention was to cover have forked the water , and g et d own to the old workings, said to be solid, and of great thickness and extent; but as the works above the edit produce large quantities of ore, it is intended to continue them until a large 50-ft. wheel is completed, when the bottom course of ore will be opened. Cwm Sebon is now giv ing a profit; the machinery is very extensive, with a 6a-fi. water-wheel, the largest working in the county. Some little alterations are making in details, when all is expected to ge on smoothly. At Daren, ore sufficient has been raised to pay for the expensive preparatory work, with a balance equal to one-fourth of the cost of a steam-engine, and something left for further develop ment. At E3gair-hir and Eag air-fraith a course of solid worked on, w h e r e two men will raise 2001 . of ore in about two months. So promising is this teat n it a ili r n , c iti on 1698. - „. templation to give it the name 4 , to returz, 75,c00t. when er he made his famous P annum profit, and .tt :rvi ce. 3 1-(1. one seventy-fifth of whatever 17.7 g " . 7;: o ' r The Welsh Potosi." The other 'e- e. Whiwieygni, Geller-herein Court •• - a esir , e a ti. i. - .1 gressing as well as could .Y" , 011, the ground under the THE SUN, LONDON, SATURDAY great edit has much improved-the , ore more massive than in any other mine in the count • Penrhiw is mak ing a small profit, and would do we 11, if a market could be found for a mineral half iron I grites and half lead, which might be brought into recit usition for manufac turing sulphur, as well as obtaining the lead. We noticed last week that the Late workings of the Great United Mines had not paid xxit: at the meeting, held last Friday, the accounts show wd a loss on the two months' working of 1,3001., and the agents reported that, unless discoveries were made, the mine could net be carried on. It was resolved t give another two months' trial, and unless great impr , eirement takes place the works must stop, and with them. most probably the Great Consols; to the distress of ;the population of Gwennap. At the North Basset meeting, on Wednesday, a divi dend of 1,5001 was declared, being the third dividend paid since the Ist of June last. The accounts for the past year were reviewed, showing-By amount of 3,102 tons 8 cwts. of copper ores sold during the year, 16,5281. Is. 2d. Total costs for working the mine during that period, including royalty, 12,3671. 1 Ls.; profit, 6,1601. 17s. 2d. To dividends, &c., paid from The Ist of June to, and including, this day, 6,070/. 03. 5,1. ; balance carried to next account, 90/. 16s. 9d. The ref ices from the mine are most flattering, and shall appear riri our next. At the Wheal Basset two-monthly meeting, on Tues day, the accounts showed-Labour cos affor Nov. and Dec. 2,2021. Bs. I ld.; merchants' bills, 7( igq. 9s. 9d.=--2,9981. 18s. Bd. By copper and tin ores so Id, Nov. and Dec. (less 1-15th for lord's dues, 403/. 16s. I d .), 5,6531 6s. 4d.; leaving profit, 2,6541.6 s Bd.; and baloa ce in favour from last account, 490/. 9s. 10d. 3,144/. 16 s. Bd. By divi dend of 101 per share, 2,5601: leaving balance to next account, 584/. 16s. 6d. It was ma olved that more vigorous operation be commenced in, the south part of the mine, as soon as convenient. At the East Basset meeting, repre & rating 236 out of 256 shares, a call of 51. per share was made. At the South Tolgus meeting, the a c counts showed- Ores sold (less dues), 2,0641. 15s. ld. By mine cost and merchants' bills, November and Decem L.er, 1,2481. Os. 7d.; leaving a profit, 8161 141. 6d.; to v inich add, balance last account, 874 6s. Bd., and deduct dividend, 2/. 10s. per share, 6401., and paid on account of new engine 1501 -leaves balance to next account, 114/. is. 2d. The re port states that the whole of the pros' )cts appear very satisfactory, as the improvement in the, eastern levels, on south lode, more than made up for the poverty of the 42 west, on the north lode, while in all , other parts of the mine the rate of discoveries of ore is f fully maintained. At the Wheal Langford and Wl2 , !al Baring United meeting, the mine accounts up to the , end of December showed a balance in favour of adven hirers of 7441 42. 9d. A report on the mine, from Air. arthur Dean, was read to the meeting, together with ttee agent's reports. The statement of accounts submitted at the Gu.tavus meeting showed-To balance in See at,>mber account, 1,272/. 15s. Bd.; mine cost for the thre e months ending in December, 357/. la. 6d. ; merchant: 4' bills, 264/. 11s. 5d.=1,8941. Bs. 7d. By call of 11. 41 . 9d. per 1,026 th, 1,2691 133. 6J.: leaving balance agaiti.s t the mine, 624/. 15s. ld. To cover toe loss, and fur cal further prosecu tion of the mine, it was resolved that. a call of 20s. per share be made. At the l'avy Consols bi-monthly zw eting, on Tues day, the accounts showed—Balance f -t m Dec., 23/. 1 Is.; Nov. cost 1881. 7s. 8d; Dec., 136/. 17 - s . Bd.; merchants' bills, 1221. 6s. 4d.; petty cash, 12! 3i. J. = 4831. 6s. sd. —Oct. ores sold, 147/. 19s. 7d.; c itto. 210/. 2s. Id. —balance down, 1251. 4s. 9d; liabilait )3. 375/.; estimated assets in ore. 2791. At the Peadarves Consols meet it g the accounts showed—Balance of last account, 8121. 3s. 7d.; mite cost fur Oct., Nov., and Dec., 542/.. 135.; merchants' bills, 2041. 12 e. 7d. = 1,0501. 21. —,t3y copper ores sold, 271. 18s. hi.; cash received on call, 5131. = 7871. Its. I id.: leaving balance against adventurers, 2711. 10s. hi. A call uf lOs. per share wes m ado to meet thu ha:luxe, and carry on the future ope7mtie ns of the mine. At the Rot Sharp Tor meeting, on the 16th Jan., at which Alderman Copeland p:nsideA. the accounts were submitted and passed, and th.) report of the agents recoirA. The accounts showed—L.,zbour cost for September, October, and Novombssr, 2051. 19s. 7d.; merchants' bills, 971. 7s. 2d. ; miler disburse ments, 1151. 7s. 93.-=- - 4141. 14s. 61—Bal, tEsce on last ac count, 1371. 12s. 41.; cash received on ce 31, 5101. 10s.== 6481. 2s. 4d.; leaving balance in favour of adventurers, 2331. 7s. 101 The liabilities, including the coat for De cember, and outstanding merchants.' b ills, amount to 2941. 18s. Id.; and the assets, adding one. call now due, 2341. 17s. 10d, At a general meeting of adventurers in the Black Craig and Craigton mines, on Monday, Charles Gilpin Esq., in the chair, the balance-sheet, showing balance in hand, 501. I Is. 11d., and balance of liabilities over assets, 7461. 165., was submitted and pas:md. Some de- lay having unavoidably occurred in getting the ore to market, owing to an accident in the adit level, and the sinking of the vessel bearing one cargo to Holywell , however, was insured by the committee ot ma nagemynt), it was found necessary to make a call of 2s. 6d. per share. There are 63 tons of ore upon the mine, a cargo of which will be sent off for sale as soon as a vessel can be procured. _ . _ At the United Mines meeting, held at Tavistock, a committee was appointed to consider the rules and de termine on the future operations respcoting the mine, and arrangements to be made with the lords of the soil. At the West Trethellau meeting the accounts for four months, ending December, showed—Balance from last account, 2101. 19s. led.; ores sold (less dues), 1181. 15s. 10d.-329/. 15s. Bd. To costs and merchants' bills, 146/. 3s. 2d.; leaving balance in favour of adventurers, 1831. 12s. 6d. At a general meeting of Praed Consols, on Tuesday, a bmall call was made to meet the expenhes of opening and clearing the shafts and levels, preparatory to the erection of a steam-engine, which will be down early in the spring. At the Hennock meeting, it will be seen that there was a balance in favour of adventurers of 1731. 18s. 10d.; the total receipts are 1,708'. 175.; arrears received, 202/. 135.; cash on call, 3751.= 2,376/. 103.—Mine cost, as stated in former account, 1,6521. ls. 5d.; labour for four months ending December, 2621. 16s. 2d.; mer chants' bills, 2571. 185. 10d.; other charges, 261. 148.9 d.; leaving balance as stated. The account of liabilities and assets showed a balance of assets of 1321. 33. 7d. The agent's report is satisfactory, a nd the appointment ot Mr. A. Murray, jun., as inspector of the mine, was confirmed, the general feeling of the meeting being that of confidence in the speedy success of the speculation. Some splendid specimens of ore were shown at the meeting, and valuable discoveries, it was stated, were continually being made is the progress of the workings. In Foreign Mining shares business has been done in Australian at an advance of 103. on previous prices; also in Cobre, St. John del Rey, Worthing, and in United Mexican, the latest quotations ot the latter showing an advance of about a on last week's quotations. RACING FIXTURES FOR 1851. . 26 ham, is much better, and hopes are now entertained cf his recovery. We are able to contradict the report that has been going the round of some of our daily contemporaries, that General the Earl of Strafford is dangerously ill; such is not the fact. MILITARY M.P.'s.—ln our enumeration of the Mili tary Members of Parliament from whose exertions much is expected this session, we omitted to mention the name of Captain Wynne, of the 7th Fusiliers, who takes his seat for the first time. It is the belief of those who are well acquainted with Captain Wynue that he will prove a valuable acquisition to the military phalanx. "Ho has," says a correspondent, " a sound head, a knowledge of the scientific and practical parts of the trade, and has the advantage of being behind the scenes as to what is actually passing in the service, by being a full pay captain in one of the best disciplined and best drilled regiments in the British army." DEPUTY ADJUTANT GENERAL.—CoIoneI Wetherell, the Deputy Adjutant-General to the Forces, is to be deprived of the pay he derives from the appointment he holds as one of the Aides-de-Camp to her Majesty, the two appointments being considered incompatible with the duties of each other. COMMISSARIAT DEPARTMENT.--Assistaat Commis sary-General Mends, who has recently returned from duty at Sierra Leone, is to proceed to South Australia, to take charge of the department in that colony. This measure has been deemed expedient, in consequence of the great *umber of Enrolled Pensioners embarking for that station. WAR AT THE CAPE.—In addition to the four com panies of the 73d Regiment, with a detachment of Royal Artillery, which left Cape Town for Simon's Bay on the sth of December,'a further force of a troop of the Cape Mounted Rifle Regiment, and a detachment of the 91st Regiment, have proceeded to the Leeuw frontier. The whole of the troops stationed on the frontier are to be concentrated in British Kafraria, under the command of Lieutenant-General Sir Harry Smith. LONDON AND COUNTY JOINT STOCK BANK. The half-yearly meeting of the proprietors of the above bank was held on Thursday at the London Tavern. Mr. J. Sadleir, M.P., was in the chair. _ . The advertisement by which the meeting had been convened having been read, the secretary read the fol lowing report : The directors have to place before the proprietors the belance sheet of the bank. signed by the auditors of the company, up to the 31st December, 1850. It wilt be seen that the net profits for the past ball-year, ending 1850, amount to 9,9081. 9s. 101., out of which sum the directors recommend that a dividend at the rate of 6 per cent. per annum be declired, f, ee of income-tax, fur the haleyear ending the 31st Dec', 1350. which, if approved by the proprietors, will leave 3,133/. 183. 2d. to be carried to the guarantee fund, thus increasing that fund to 35,1931. 6s. 10.1. Since the last auntie! meeting, your directors have, in consequence of the failure ot Messrs. Nash and Neale, established a branch at Reigate, where an in creasing and remunerative business is carried on. It is with regret that the directors have to announce to the proprietors the recent demise of John Cuthbert Joyner, Esq., for marry years a member of the Board. The vacancy thus occasioned has been filled up by the elec tion ot Witham Champion Jones, BALANCE SHEET T , ) 31ST DECEMBER, 1850. DEBTOR. L d. To Capital ... ... 231.035 0 0 Reserved fund ... 32,059 8 8 Customers' balances, &c. 2,030,238 4 3 Net profit for the ball-year, nEer payment of 11,2301. ss. h. tor interest to CUstOnatlrb ••• 9,908 9 10 £2,303,241 2 9 CREDITOR. X. s. d. By Cash in hand ... 511,924 7 4 Securities, discounted bills, &c.... 1,740,688 10 0 Bank premises, freehold and lease hold 33,737 11 4 Preliminary expenses, expenses of establishing and purchasing branches ... ... ... 17,790 14 1 £2,303 . 241 2 9 The Csernatast said he hoped that the statement which the secretary had just read would be received by them, not merely as a brief statement, but also as a satisfactory and cheering exposition of the condition and circumstances of the bank at the close of the past year.—(Hear.) In submitting to them the result, which it was now his duty briefly to place before them for their consideration, it did not occur to him that he need trouble them with many observations. It was to him certainly a gratification to have this renewed opportunity of meeting and addressing them on the affairs of a bank in the prosperity and progre se of which they had a direct and common interest. But when the affairs of a public company began to progress smoothly and well, it might be generally remarked that directors as well as chairmen could afford to be brief.—(Hear.) They were cow fortunately in a position which enabled the direc tors to place the condition of the company's affairs before the proprietors in a concise, and, he hoped they would say, in a satisfactory manner— (Hear, and cheers)—and, indeed, when a fortunate state of things arose; it was needless for chairmen to draw on their powers of speech. He was not anxious to in dulge in a train of thought which might excite in others exaggerated notions of the future condition of the bank, and ne was equally averse to the expression of anything that might induce them to take a discouraging view of the past. But in any such view—which could certainly not be profitable—of the management of the affairs of the bank, he felt tnat in reference to those to whom that management had been intrusted, they ought never to forget the circumstances under which the errors of past years had arisen ; because in the continued remembrance of those circumstances they would con stantly have before their mind lessons of experience, which might well serve as a useful guide for the safe conduct of their bank in future. Tne position of their bank had not been altogether stationary for the few and eventful years that bed passed since be had had the ho nour of becoming connected with it. It was impos sible for their directors to forget, even for a single week, during that period, the errors of previous years; for the proprietors well knew that they (the directors) had been called upon during that period to pay on their (the proprietors') behalf the penalties of those errors. It would be quite enough to bear in mind that they had not only met those penalties, but that they had, at the same time, succeeded in so conducting the affairs of the bank as to return to the proprietors what he deemed, under existing circumstances, a large dividend, to increase their guarantee fund, and to diminish other pre liminary expenses. Now these were matters which it was not easy to accomplish at one and the same time, and he thought that he might usefully present, in a pointed and prominent manner to the proprietors, these pregnant and plain facts. He thought they were encouraging, and that they justified him in entertaining anticipations which he did entertain with respect to the future pro gress of their establishment. As yet their bank was not tull grown. In addition to those objects which they had in view and had effected, they had been laying broader, and he hoped better foundations, on which to increase and extend its business. He was anxious to take this opportunity of adverting to the main principle on which the institution rested. He had always been at tashed to the joint•stoek principle. It had been, as they well knew, applied to a great variety of enter prises in this and other countries, and necessarily and naturally it had not been always suceesaful; but the triumphs and the success of the joint-stock principle, when interwoven with the fortunes and progress of banking institutions, had been signal. And no doubt much of the success which had attended their efforts and the progress of the batik were attributable to the support of, and . the manner in which, the pro prietors and the customers of it had appreciated and relied on the joint-stock principle. Much of the prosperity and the present strength of the bank was, he must observe, attributable to themselves, to their con nexions, to their neighbours and friends, who were its customers. Perhaps it was to our insular position that he ought to attribute the circumstances, that we were, nevertheless, slow to adopt great principles which had been developed and tested by other nations and otherraces. But, at all events, we ought to be quick and energetic in imitating the example of our neighbours and fellow-sub jects, who were remarkable for the persevering spirit with which they continued to rely on, and to extend, the joint-stock principle as applied to banking; and he would ask the meeting to look upon and to admire the spirit and the feeling which had interwoven, themselves with everything that appertained to com merce, to trade, and to agriculture in Scotland as re garded joint-stock banking. Of his own personal know ledge, he could say that, not merely in Scotland, but in other portions of the United Kingdom, the prosperity and the present wealth, not only of individuals whom he could name—not merely of towns which were well known to all of them,—but that the present wealth and prosperity, and intelligence, and moral bearing of en tire districts, were mainly attributable to the operation and development of the joint-stock principle as con nected with banking. There was not, from the highest of those who were the descendants of the chieftains of Scotland, to the most humble cattier tenant throughout the country—there was not a merchant, trader, or agri culturist who did not feel that his individual prosperity and welfare was inseparably mixed up in the pros perity and welfare of some joint-stock bank. It would be difficult to find a Scotchman in his own country who did not possess a deposit receipt or a joint ;dock bank pass-book. They would find that the Scotchman did not conceive that the value and import ance of a joint-stock bank in his district was merely se (finned to the fact that it might offer to him the pos s4ibility of having au over-drawn account. Much was heard in this country of the importance and value of in ' -troducing into it the Scotch system of banking, but un fortunately many Englishmen to whom he had spoken on the usefulness of that system, had fallen into the error of imagining that it simply meant the opening of some bank for the purpose of enabling the public to overdraw their accounts. The great confi dence which was reposed in joint-stock banks in Scot land gave much strength and safety to those institu tions in that country. With the growth and extension of that system the necessity of altering the laws of debtor and creditor forced itself on the public mind, and in Scotland those laws had been so al tered as to act harmoniously with the extension of legitimate banking through the instrumentality of the joint-stock principle. And when the people of this country began correctly to appreciate, as the people of Scotland had long since done, the importance of planting among themselves the joint-stock principle of as i t i o t, i r r e u n s f t i , e 4 r the a t t l i e r m rn antf o . o c r : banking, an alteration in the laws of debtor and creditor „, thesewould r fi firm a k b i become c t , thorn m e observations so i r ; apparent ch;i,sti:ti 'i d not be misunderstood, and that it would not be thought that in pointing out the ad vantages of joint-stock banks he had any wish to dis parage those of a rival principle, for the meeting knew FEBRUARY. Liverpool Spring . MARCH. Coventry 4 Doncaster Spring Warwick Spring Kipling Coate! Northampton 26 Newcastle-on-Tyne S 2B Croxton Park 1 Cat..erick Bridge ... 3 Epsom Spring 4 Newmarket Craven The Hoo l2 Malton l5 Newmark. First Spring 21 Abergavenny 24 Chester Lewes 5 Newmkt. Second Spring 6 Plymouth Spring Liverpool II (Hoylake) 7 Shrewsbury 8 Edinburgh York Spring Bath l5 Epsom Wye 29 Lenham Ascot 3 Beverley, Hull, &c 4 Hampton ll Manchester ll Bibury S. Lancashire (Newton) 18 Stockbridge Winchester..... 2O Newcastle Newmarket Carlisle Lancaster Liverpool Stamford.... Nottingham Goodwood UST. York Egham 27 Derby 27 SEPTEMBER. Worcester ♦ui Ripon Brighton 6 Wolverhampton .. 11 Eccles . 1 Doncaster ... l6 Warwick Radcliffe . 8 Bedford 22 or 23 Lichfield 8 Eglinton Park ... 23 or 24 Yarmouth Weymouth .. 10 I Newmarket F.O t . .. 30 OCTOBER. Monmouth Richmond Cheater NOVEMBER. Worcester First week. CHESTER Cl:CP.—Cossack was scratched a few minutes after one o'clock on Saturday, the lat inst. CHANGE OF Q,IIARTERS.--Sir R. Pigot's Derby colt Runnymede has joined Bloss's string at Newmarket. Mr. Boyce, sen., died at Newmarket, on Wednesday last, in his 81st 3 ear. .. THE ARMY AND NAY S ' : L e ß ue y o t f he th l i "ist a aVo RO ri x ni to that her'' , y,. t T ed im Se p r AviccieFfiz learn from the Pacific we are ha ppy — , • ~, FREIGHTS ( F (From t the j p e et Y w '3 as tilli l P ike lr ly e a large freight of si..s -' Captain the Hon. Henry ~, ~_ • the end of May., , ,; She is expected at Spithead a bout ...... _ _ ~ a to nd b e r r i 3 O •l 4 4 , , home Mr. 1'08441 THE OFFICERS OF THE APOLLO. has had his services dispensed w • Mas ter's Assistant of the Apollo troopi t s h hip, m a r t . S p h h e i e i r li n p e p s s s: cletk, has been missing from this ship for many _dal and another clerk h as b een a pp o i n ted. The case o f M r . _ Clements, the second m as t er , h as not yet been disposed of by the Admiralty. The Sampson steam-frigate, Captain T. L. Jones, has embarked Sir Emerson Tennent and suite at Devonport, and was ordered to leave Devonport, with her tender, the Bloodhound steam-vessel, yesteruky. She is ordered to . keep her tender company until she arrives at Madeira; the will then dispatch the Bloodhound to Sierra Leone, and will proceed thence direct to St. Helena, where she will land the Governor, and then proceed to Ascension, and report herself to Commodore Fanshawe, the Com mander-in-Chief of the coast of Africa. The Admiralty have presented a liberal donation of 100/. towards the erection of the church and schools of St. Mary's, a district of the bo roug h o f D evonport. We are happy in' being able to state that Lieutenant. Colonel Lock, commanding the Royal Artillery at Chat- EVENING, well that, contemporaneously with the growth o the former in this great country, we had amongst us, happily, private banks, whose wealth and whose business habits justly entitled them to the large amount of public confidence and support which they received, and it was in no jealous spirit or mean rivalry that ho had made these observations. It was well known that a large portion of their (the London and County Joint-stock Bank's) customers were the provincial trader and agricultural classes ; and without at all mooting the question as to the extent of public benefit which might result from the alterations that had been made in reference to the importation of food into this country, all parties were agreed that the im mediate consequences of recent legislation bad been to place the agricultural classes, and those small trading classes in more immediate connexion with them, in very embarrassing and difficult circumstances.—(Hear, hear.) No man practically acquainted with agricultural opera tions or the actual condition of agriculturists could fail to see that, although one of the ultimate results of our free trade legislation might be to diminish the annual rental of estates, that that effect reached the owner of the land through the side of the occupier; and that when the occupier of land found himself in circumstances where a great and sudden depression of agricultural produce took place, it was, as all must acknowledge, accompanied by great personal embarrassment in many instances; and that it was very unlike the case of a large speculator or merchant, who might find himself suddenly with a large stock of some article, the value of which was suddenly changed by the removal of some particu lar tax. In the latter case a number of opportunities was certain to arise almost immediately to enable that party in a great measure to recover himself; but the case was very different indeed with the agriculturist. It was impossible fur him, probably during the counse of his own life, to recover himself from the seriousconsequences of a sudden depression in the value of his agricultural produc tions. The meeting would therefore feel how important it was that in dealing with the agricultural classes they did not, by any act of theirs, invite or encourage the agri culturist to meet the outgoings either from his own capital or from their sin the bank. There was a strong spirit and desire on the part of the agricultural classes to meet manfully and scrupulously every engagement,and he constantly found that spirit and that anxiety forcing the agriculturists. inclined to hope against hope, to trench on their own capital, and evincing agreat desire founded on sanguine anticipations of future reacti,,n, to encroach on that of the balik; and he hoped that he had the support of the proprietors in the anxiety which the board had shown to be more care!ul that the bank should be no parties to assist them in a matter so dangerous, and fraught with so much injury to the establishment. But, on the other hand, he was bound to say that in this period of transition there was a la-ge portion of the agricultural classes in the district with which they were connected who had had the good sense to preserve their capital intact, and the position of this bank at the close of the present year was a corroboration of the fact he had just stated. The directors ha I endeavoured to meet the difficulty to which he had alluded, by in creasing the staff of inspectors, and by making an inter nal arrangement which secured the daily attendance at the bank of at least two members of the board. After some further observations he moved the adoption of the report. The motion having been snonded, was carried unani mously. A dividend at as rate of 6 per cent. per annum was then declared, and the balance of 3.1301. carried to the guarantee fund. Some formal resolutions were pa..sed. and a cordial vote of thanks having been given to the Chairman, the meeting broke up. LAW INTELLIGENCE. COUAT OF Q EEIV'S BENCH, Feb. 7. (Sittings in Banco.) RICHARDSON V. WODSON. This was an action for a libel published in the Yorkshire man newspaper. The plaintiff was an attorney, and appeared to have been a director in two or three companies in which Mr. Hudson was the chairman of the directors. The alleged libel referred to the connexion of the plaintiff with Mr. Hudson in certain railway companies, and declared that "it would appear as if a charter had existed for defalcation, mis management, and corruption in companies over which they had control." It then went on to allege that the plaintiff was guilty of corruption, and speaking of his situation as attor ney for the Union Bank at York, said, "It is our opinion that such a maa is not to be trusted in a responsible situa tion." The defendant pleaded a justification, in which, for the purpose of justifying the imputations of the libel, he set out a variety of facts connected with the railway companies in which the plaintiff and Hudson had been con cerned. The finding of the jury was that mismanagement, artifice, and defalcation did exist in every company over which Hudson and the plaintiff had control; but the jury negatived the allegation of individual corruption charged against the plaintiff. On this finding the verdict was en tered for the defendant, with leave for the plaintiff to move to set aside this verdict, and enter it for the plaintiff. Mr. ATHERTON and Mr. E. PRICE showed cause against the rule, and contended that the finding might be treated as divisible, and that on the finding that corruption ex isted in the companies over which the plaintiff and Hudson had control, the defendant was entitled to a verdict. Mr. Watson, in support of the rule, was not called on. The COURT expressed a clear opinion that the verdict must be entered generally for the plaintiff. The part of the plea on which the finding was in favour of the defendant was on an immaterial issue, and could not be allowed to destroy the effect of finding for the plaintiff on an issue which was material, and which related to libellous matter. The de fendant ought to have pleaded two distinct pleas, instead of pleading one general justification; and it would be unfair to allow him the advantage of having a verdict entered in his favour, merely because an immaterial issue, which he ought not to have put on the record, was found for him, when the material and libellous charge was distinctly negatived by the jury. The rule for entering the verdict for the plaintiff must be made absolute. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, Feb. 7. (Continued from our Third Edition of last night.) ANSWER TO THE ADDRESS. The Marquis of %VEST HINSTER brought up her Majesty's answer to the Address which was us follows: " I thank you for your loyal and dutiful Address. rely with con&dfnce‘ on your assistance to maintain the rights of my Crown and cordial unity with a measure calculated to strenghen and unite our institutions." PAPAL AGGRESSION. Lord STANLEY, referring to what had been said by the Lord Privy Seal last night, wished to know whether any communication had been made to the Noble Lord by the Pope stating that he had measures in view that would affcct this country, and whether he had any objection to them. Ho also wished to know whether such communication had been made known to Cardinal Wiseman? The Earl of MINTO did not think that any such communication had been made to him. He had some faint recollection of something being said about ecclesi astical dignity, but he did not recollect exactly what it was. Lord STANLEY thought the statement of the Noble Lord most unsatisfactory. After some further observations the subject dropped, and the House adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS, Feb 7. PAPAL AGGRESSION. Petitions against; Papal aggres6ion were presented from places in Essex by Sir R. Inglis; by Mr. Frewen, from places in Sussex ; by Mr. Alderman Ilumphery, from Southwark; by Sir William Verner, from Armagh; by Mr. Plumptre, from places in Kent; by Mr. Faller, from places in Essex; by Mr. Mundy, from Shirley, in Derbyshire; and by Mr. Alderman Sidney, from Stafford. ECCLESIASTICAL COURTS. Sir B. HALL wished to ask the Right Honourable Baronet the Secretary - of State for the Home Department a question relating to the Ecclesiastical Courts of this country. It would be remembered that last session he alluded to an appointment which bad been made by the Archbishop of Canterbury to a reversionary office in the Prerogative Court worth 10,000/., and to a similar appointment by another dignitary of the Church, and he wished now to know whether it was the intention of Go. vernment to introduce this session any measure to remedy those evils, and generally to reform the system of our Ecclesiastical Courtsl? He also wished to ask the Right Honourable Baronet whether it was his intention to bring in any Bill for dividing large and populous parishes? Sir G. GREY said a Bill was under consideration with reference to the Ecclesiastical Courts, but he could hold out no hope when it would be brought in. With regard to dividing populous parishes, Government did intend to propose a Bill on the subject. C EIOLERA IN JAMAICA. Mr. GOULBURN wished to know if the Colonial Department had any objection to lay on the table any returns they might have received relative to the progress of the cholera in Jamaica; and whether it was the in tention of Government to take steps to relieve the colony in any way. Mr. HAWES bad no objection to produce all the papers on the subject; but with regard to the second question, all he could say was the Noble Lord at the head of the Colonial Department was in communication with the colony upon the matter of re l ie f, a nd ever yth in g would be done that was in the power of the Government. BOARD OF TRADE RETURNS. Mr. HERRIES wished to ask the Right Hon. the President of the Board of Trade when the usual monthly returns of trade and commerce were likely to be forthcoming. Perhaps, at the same time, it would be as well for him to intimate that it was not his intention to bring forward the motion of which he had given notice for Tuesday next. Mr. LA.BOUCHERE had made inquiries on the sub ject of the returns, and he hoped to be able to lay them before the House on Monday. ECCLESIASTICAL MATTERS. Sir R. H. INGLIS. adverting to Sir B. Hall's question reported above, raid the Hon. Baronet was mistaken in supposing the appointments to which he referred wero sinecures, and so he thought the Right Hon. the Secre tary of State for the Home Department could confirm. Sir GEORGE GREY said he had certainly received a communication from the Archbishop of Canterbury to that effect. ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE. On the motion of Mr. C. LEWIS, it was agreed that the House at its rising should adjourn to Monday. PAPAL AGGRESSION. LORD JOHN RUSSELL'S MEASURE. Lord J. RUSSELL, amid the most profound sil ence rose at twelve minutes past five o'clock, to ask for l eave pursuant to the notice he had given, to bring i n a Bill to prevent the • assumption of certain eccle iaAt:c.:l ;zi Uatt , ..d Kingdom. The Noble Lord said:', Mr. Speaker,—lt is with considerable anxiety that I now approach the important subject which I have promised to bring uncle? the consideration of the House. The deep in terest which is felt in the country by all chases of persons; the numerous petitions that have been p resented to this House, praying the House to resist any encroachment on the part of a foreign Sovereign; the a ddresses which have been presented to the Crown—all make it a matter of deep responsibility to undertake the task of bringing such a question under the notice of the House. Sir, that anxiety is not diminished, but ir.creased, by the symptoms which appeared the other evening of the dis position of a great portion of the House with respect to the motion I laid on the table of the House. One Hon. Gentleman (the Member for Sheffield), who spoke on the motion for the Royal Address, warned me not to take a retrograde step on this subject—(Hear)—and another Hon. Gentleman (the Member for Buckingham shire) warned me, on the other side, not to intro duce anything less than a complete code to regulate all the relations which easy occur be tween the Court of Rome and her Majesty's subjects in the United Kingdom. Now, Sir, with respect to the first observation, that I should not take a retrograde step, I will say that the only retrograde step I pro pose to take is that natural action of a man who finds a blow aimed at his head, and who steps back wards and raises his arm and puts himself in a posture of defence.—(Cheers.) With regard tohhe other obser vation, I will not now enter into the consideration of why I differ from the Hon. Gentleman, but in the course of the speech tha t ; I shall, have to make, I shall have to address tho:e observations to the House which appear to me to belong to the subject, and state those motives which induce the Government not to pursue that course which he has suggested as the most proper. Sir, in bringing this subject before the House I beg the House to recollect some of the circumstances which have occurred very recently. In the course of the last year the nomination of an archbishop in Ireland by the Roman See was made in an unusual manner.— ' (Hear, hear.) It was generally understood, and has never been contradicted, that those who usually elected to the office of archbishop on the part of the Roman Catholics of Ireland had sent three names, but that instead of any of the learned ecclesiastics being chosen for that office, a clergyman who had been long resident in Rome, and who was more conversant with the habits and opinions of Rome than the state and cir cumstances of I; eland,was appointed kiy the Pope to assume the effice of Archbishop in Ireland. No doubt that ecclesiastic showed very clearly that it was not his in tention to follow the usual practice which had hitherto been pursued by Archbishop Murray and others, of put ting himself in communication with the Government in relation to any matters necessary to be transacted with re gard to the Irish people. Presently we found theta synod bud been called at Thurles. It was stated that at the synod a question was put whether or not an address be issued to the people of Ireland, and that that motion was car ried by a majority of 13 to 12, the majority of one con sisting of that very person who had been sent over from Rome, and who was entirely un aequainted with the state of Laland.—(Elear, hear.) ' If the proceedings of that s) nod had related only t the internal discipline of the Roman Catholic religion—if it had bean shown oat its proceed ing:, only referred to matters that required alter ation and amendment in the Roman Catholic Church —however unusual, and entirely without precedent the assembling of a synod might be—for no such thing had taken place since the time of :he revolution—l should net have telt surprise at the manner in which the s 3 nod had acted. But a great portion of the address which the synod issued was taken up by two subjects. The one was the danger of the system of education by the establishment of colleges in Ireland by her Majesty's Go vernment, in conformity with an Act of Parliament, and it stated that the principles upon which those colleges were established were principles which were opposed to the inflexible nature of the Roman Catholic religion, and it was pointed out in the address that these colleges could not exist without destroying the morals and religion of the Roman Catholic youth. The other part of the address was taken up with a descrip tion of the state of the poorer portion of the peasantry of Ireland, with reel:act to the manner in which their landlords had dealt with them, and no language was omitted that could excite their feelings against the owners of land who had enforced the process of the law against their tenants. Now, Sir, lam not going on the present occasion to enter into a defence of the establishment of the Queen's Colleges in Ireland, nor to discuss the question whether the Irish landlords have acted with discretion or humanity in asserting their legal rights, but I wish to point out to this House the most im portant circumstance, that on a question of occupancy of laud, the synod, composed entirely of Roman Catholic ecclesiastics, from which all the laity were excluded— that Synod had thought proper, at their first meeting, to issue an address, to the Irish people on what was their duty to, and what ought to be their conduct towards, theirlandlorde.—(Loud cheers.) I would ask the Honourable and Learned Member for Sheffield whether this was entertaining and considering purely spiritual concerns? —(Loud cheers.) I would ask him, whether this House and the Government of this coun try can see a Catholic archbishop appointed and a synod called together—whose first proceeding was to hold forth to the people of Ireland, its opposition to an Act of Parliament which had been passed for the purpose of educating the people of Ireland, for the purpose of educating the poorer and middle classes of society, and also exciting the minds of the peasantry of Ireland against their landlords?—(Hear, hear.) Sir, this is an instance at all events to show that the synod did not deal with purely spiritual matters. The interference of clerical persons with the temporal and civil concerns of the State has been attempted for the first time by this synod in Ireland, not as a beginning only, but as a beginning to be maintained and followed up, and to be asserted on future occasions with more potent effect.— (Loud cheers.) There is a part of this transaction to which I will direct the attention of the House. I re ceived a copy of this address, and on the title-page it was signed by the Archbishop of Armagh as Primate of Ireland. About the same time I received a communication from the Lord-Lieutenant of Ireland, a communication to the effect that the matter had been referred to those conversant with the law, and they bad said they could not do anything in the matter, as the words did not appear upon any document sent to them. I will ,now refer to an occurrence which took place some time since in Sardinia, It had been the law of that country that ecclesiastics were not liable to civil tribunals. Some time ago, the Sardinian Parliament at Turin altered this law, making the ecclesiastics amenable to civil courts. One of the Ministers who had brought in this law soon after wards became dangerously ill ; being questioned on the subject by the Archbishop of Turin, he replied in a manner which was not satisfactory, and it is known that he died without receiving the sacraments of the Church, in fact as one out of the pale of the Church. That is an instance of spiritual power and spiritual censure for the purpose of controlling and directing a Minister of the Crown and a Member of Parliament, in his conduct relating to that Crown and Parliament. — (Hear, hear.) I beg the House to observe these things because they are not altogether foreign to us; they may not yet be introduced to us this year, but we are told in that country to which I have alluded that the doctrines of the Church of Rome are inflexible, their maxims unchangeable.—(clear, hear.) They may not think it expedient to introduce such practices at present into this country, but they retain in their own hands tho power of applying those measures and that spiritual power. About the same time a manifestation of Romish interference took place in Belgium, a Government which had shown more favour to the independence of the Ro man Catholic body than any other country in Europe, because they had allowed the Roman Catholics to enjoy their right of appointment to benefices, while the civil Government entirely retrained from interfering with the nominations of the ecclesiastical body. The ecclesiastics, by expedients of their own, had managed to get the direction of the educational system of Belgium into their hands; and when the civil Governmeet had taken some steps to interfere with this subject a document was circulated by the ecclesiastics bearing upon the question at the time when an election was anticipated for the purpose of influencing the chambers. The chambers, however, came to no decision nnfavourable to the Go verninent, and it was thought necessary to instruct the Belgian Minister at Rome to assure the Secretary of State that no disrespect bad been intended to the Court of Rome. Now I coma to the pro ceeding in this country. At the end of September, a letter apostolic, sealed with the fisherman's seal, was received in this country altering the ecclesiastical law of this country, doing away with the vicars-apostolic, and proposing;to establish an archbishop and bishops, among whom the country was to be divided. Sir, I shall afterwards state the view which I take of that document; what I wish to state now is, that that change was made entirely without the consent, and, I may say, without the knowledge of the Government of this country.—(Great cheering.) I had stated in this House, in answer to a question from an Hon. Member, that I could not approve of any such scheme. I had been told by a private friend, of the Roman Catholic persuasion, that such a project was in contemplation, but I had told him that I should never consent to such a pro ject being carrried out. I heard nothing more of it, and I concluded, perhaps weakly, that the Government of Rome being a friendly Government, would never think it possible to create archbishops and bishops, and of dividing this country without communicating at least that project to this Government.—(Hear, hear.) I could not believe that it would have so insulted the Queen,—(Great cheering, which continued for some minutes.) I may have been like the foolish Italian shepherd, who said— " Urbem, quam dicunt Romani, Melibase, putavi, Stultus ego huic nostre similem ;" (Laughter.) I may have thought most trustingly and imprudently that the Court of Rome would observe such relations, such discretion, such courtesy in her conduct with the State of England, as all other States that are friendly observe towards each other, and as she herself has observed towards every other State in Europe.— (Hear.) It appears that I must have been mistaken. I have seen in a letter, or supposed letter—(Hear, hear) —of Cardinal Wiseman. at least in a puhiteation eget ibed to that personage, that the Earl of Minto was cognisant of the measures which were in progress, when he was at Rome, for the establishment of a Romish hierarchy in England.—(Hear, hear.) The Earl of Minto has given a public and emphatic denial to that statement.—(Loud and continued cheering: from all parts of the House.) W e have heard the E;;J: . L7, io thttst ttc,4 inter view with which be was honoured at the Court of home, the Pope, pointing to a table in the room, observed, " There is something there that regards you;" but Lord Minto did not look at the paper, or make any observa. FEBRUARY 8, 1851. tion whatever on the subject.—(Hear, hear.) He says he does not recollect the circumstance ; and it is olio which he may well have forgotten, supposing it had even taken place. But, even if the story be true, it is surely a most astonishing inference to draw from the circuit:- stance that there happened to be a paper lying on a table, which parer was never read by the Minister c f England, that he had given his consent to the aggression which had been made upon this country.—(Cheers.) Be it ob served, that supposing the story had been told with com plete accuracy, it is nut alleged that the Secretary of State or the Pope, or any other person, said, " Here is a paper that we would wish you to take and peruse, and submit to your Government." If anything was said at all, it was only, " That is a project that concerns you."—(Hear.) Now, having said this. I must refer for a moment to the conduct which has usually been observed by all ecclesiastical bodies in the several states of Europe. It has always been the nature of all ecclesiastical bodies to press upon the temporal powers in every state.—(Hear, hear, and repeated cheering.) I have myself had frequently to repress the aggressive conduct of the ecclesiastical body of the Church of England when it has been partially or unitedly attempted to trespass on the spiritual or temporal liberties of other ecclesiastical subjects in the realm.—(Hear, hear.) And if this be the case with ordinary ecclesiastical bodies, how much more so is it with the Church of Rome, the members of which are more than any others devoted to the ser vice of their ecclesiastical soperiors, and subject to a power which claims for itself the quality of infallibi lity.—(Hear, hear.) But in the first place I must refer to the peculiar practice of the church of Rome, and if we may judge of the instances which have come to our knowledge, the Church of Rome has at all times been opposed to the progress of liberty and civilization, whether exercised over men or states. I will at once show how this power was used when applied to a state which was confessedly Roman Catholic. Sir, this power was asserted in the most arro gant manner by Boniface VIII., when he told Philip the Fair, of France, " It is fit you should know that you are subject to us in temporal as well as in spiritual things."—(Hear, hear.) Now, the country that has had most to contest this power'of the Roman Catholic Church, the country which I should ray had most suc cessfully contested it, but at the same time amid repeated danger, is that very country of France.—(Hear, hear.) I have read 'kith great pleasure and instruction the work of Dupin, who is now President of the Legisla tive Assembly of France, but who before he attained to ministerial office had turned his attention to the study of the progress of ecclesiastical bodies. At the beginning of his work upon the liberties of the Gallican Church he makes an observation to the effect, that though Rome has for the present relaxed many of her pretensions, she never entirely loses sight of them; that she is a power which has forgotten nothing, and learned much— that she is a power which is neither in infancy nor widowhood; hence she can struggle with temporal States at all times with means of which those tempo ral States are not often possessed.; that therefore it re quires the utmost vigilance and the utmost attention to watch against the aggressions of the Church of Rome, and to preserve the temporal liberties of any country with which she is connected.—(Loud cheering.) And here I find a word of admonition for the Hon. Member for Sheffield (Mr. Roebuck); M. Dupin goes on to say that philosophers thought that they would be able to stop her pro gress, but philosophers found that they were mistaken. He held that the greater part of men, whether from re lieteus cenvicions, whether from habit, or whether from a regard of the opinion of the world, are governed by religious feeling, end do not attend to the opinions of philosophy. Sir, M. Dupin then states in a very small book, but containing an immense quantity of learning upon the subject, what are the rights and liberties which France has asserted in its contest with Rome. Now some of these—rind so with regard to other states—naturally enough relate to the appoint ment of bishops and other ecclesiastical officers, who are dependent upon it in any way, receiving sala ries or emoluments from the state.—(Hear, hear.) Well, Sir, but even supposing that those who conform to the will of the Pope ought occasionally to be tolerated, there are maxims that have been establised by law, maxims established by the dicta o: all the courts of justice in France, which are well worthy of our attention.— (Hear, hear.) One of these is. that no command of the Pope can be received in Franco without the content of the Sovereign. This rule applies not only to appointments to ecclesiastical benefices and bishoprics, but it applies gene rally to anything that may be ordered by the See of Rome. There is another maxim which was laid down by these judges which likewise is well worthy of our attention. In order to preserve entire the temporal independence of the King of France, it was laid down, that if any person should introduce any bull or instrument affecting the spiritual excommunication or censure of any persons in the ser vice of the King of France, all his goods and property should be forfeited to the Crown. Sir, that was a very important and strong power, but one which was rendered necessary by the assumptions of Rome herself, for had the King been left without this power, he would occasionally have been in a state of extreme insecurity. Such, then, were the general maxims, such were the laws of France, during the time of Philip the Fair, and the power, too, was ex ercised by the Kings of France under the monarchy. by Lewis the llth, a saint of the Roman Catholics. A VOICE —No ; Lewis the 9th. Lord J. RUSSELL—Yes, and Lewis the 11th and Henry the 4tb. All these princes exercised the power as fully as it had been exercised in any subsequent time; but there is another circumstance which I think well worthy of our attention, because it completely an swers the argument that with respect to what his once been done by Rome cannot be undone. Now, according to the concordat mado by Napoleon at the commence ment of the present century, in connexion with the Pope, the archbishops end bishops of the Roman Catholic Church of France were entirely de prived of their rights. There is another circumstance of that nature which occurred in 1817, when the King of France, bowing to the wish of the Legislative Assembly of that period, induced the Pope to annul a decree abolishiug the concordat of Napoleon, and from that time to this the concordat of Napoleon and the law has remained the same.—(Hear, hear.) Now, do not tell me after this that the Pope can never retrace his steps.—(Cheers.) Do not tell me that what once is done by Rome must remain in force for ever, arid can never be altered,— (Loud cheers.) Do not tell me that whatever re sistance may now he made by the nation to the edicts of the Pope is useless, because Rome will not listen to our remonstrances, or recall her decrees.—(Cheers.) Sir, I pass now to what was once the law of Austria.—(Hear, bear.) Austria is a great Roman Catholic power, but the laws that she made were of the most stringent de scription respecting the introduction of Papal bulls, with respect to Papal appointments, and with respect to Papal offices. She declared that the civil power was supreme, and that nothing should be admitted into the empire without the sanction ot' the Emperor, that no document should have force without the sanction of the Emperor, and that no appointment could be made that had not his confirmation,--(Hear, hear.) No intercourse was to take place between the clergy in Austria and the Pope witho u t t h e k nowledge and sanc tion of the civil power, and that every document which proposed to inflict spiritual censure or excommunication should be subjected to a mixed body of the clergy and laity, and should not b© valid without their concur rence. This shows, then, w i t h regar d to ano th e r gr eat Roman Catholic power how great has been the jealousy of the encroach ments o f the Church o f R ome on t h e temporal power of A ustr i a. Si r, having stated the prac tice of these two principal states of Europe, I will not go into any of the others, but I will state generally that no Roman Catholic power, which as far as we believe—but before I complete the sentence, I will state that the Emperor of Austria last year (1850) made a new constitution with respect to the clergy, and has permitted intercourse, by bulls, between his ecclesiastical subjects and Rome without the knowledge and sanction of the temporal power, and therefore with out his sanction—(Hear, hear)—but I was going to say that with regard to the Roman Catholic powers of Europe there is no one, so far as I am aware, that would permit any bull to be brought into the country without the previous sanction of some civil au thorities of the country. Such ir! the case with reg ird to Portugal. Her Majesty's Minister at Lisbon has in formed us that no bull is permitted to be published an d inculcated in Portugal of which notice had not been previously given, or which had not re ceived the Prussi a, one rei of the greatestgning powers. c w ei e ve h d eve th b e co eent n o c l u d rr t e h n e c t e in Protestant powers, that though the King, ou t o f regar d to his Roman Catholic subjects, has given a power by which the appointment of bishops is regulated by the Pope, yet that when it was proposed to create a Bishop of Magdeburg and some others in the Protestant territories of Prussia, the Government imme diately referred to the articles of the treaty of Westphalia and refused totally and entirely to give their consent to the introduction of these bishops.—(bear, hear.) Well, Sir, at least one inference is to be drawn from this narrative—that there is no country in Europe in which the Pope would h ave en d eavoure d t o p ass t h e insult which is ofered to the Queen of England.—(Loud cheers.) I now come to the character of the bull which has been introduced into this country. —(Hear.) This document purports to be issued without the smallest reference to the United Kingdom being an independent state. There is not a word in it from beginning to end acknowledging that any authority exists whose consent ought to have been asked.. The arc hbi s h op w h o i s ment i one d i n it i s s p o k en of as the archbishop of this great city, where the Queen holds her court, and where she meets her Parlia ment. Other bishoprics and other sees are pretended to be created in various parts of the country which are now under the bishops of the Established . Church. In the doc ument i ssue d b y C ar di na l Wiseman, in pursuance of the letter of the Pope, he declares—" We gover n and shall continue to govern the counties of Middlesex, Hertford, and Essex."—(Cheers.) Now, I cannot see anything in these words but an assumption of terri torial authority. Some may say this is all a matter of form in the custom of the Roman Catholic Church. I do not deny the authority of those forms, but there is another term which has not been mentioned, which begins, " Victoria, by the grace of God," and which is totally icconsinteat with the ether.—(Loud cheering.) I am ready to admit that this was only en assumed authority; but I owe no gratitude and thanks to those who do not attempt to enforce it, because I know it is utterly impossible for them to do so. But it is quite enough for me to know that it is an assumption—(Cheers)—anti if any person . had come during the ti me th a t the Pretender wLs rCi,idlng at Rome, Ind s. d l he had ben nepointed by him Lord• Lieutenant of Middlesex, tlte real Lord- Lieutenant would still exercise authority, but the person who improperly assumed it would be subject to punishment. Now, Sir, I must refer for a few minutes to that which has been done in former times in this country, in Roman,es Catholic times, with regard to the power of "__ Pope. I find our Cat hobo ancestors were the join eis as we could be of the encroachments of tne_ Pope. I find in the time of William the Cenclu er°r that he would have no sees created by the so; th ority of the Pope, but they were creetfu by the authority of the Ki ng . I find that in th e t h ee _ of Edward I. a person was e xcommunicated by gna rl person, who prosecuted the person who excommunicated him in the King's courts. He was found gn;i 7 l of high treason, and it was only on the stlPP lh '' ati ee . of hie counsellors that the King did not carry the ft s tepee into effect. In the time of Edward Pet t e t e were prevented to prevent bulls, writings, See., allowed in this country. It had been found necessa ry s by our Catholic ancestors to resort to weans ega t the power of the Pope, and the statute of pr , . ‘ , munire had therefore been paseed, t h e 16th ih v e • Richard the Second. I will now proceed to stat e de course which the Government took, on being E lbe aware of the publication of this bull, and course course they now propose to take. The first procee"hr; which the Government took was to ask the lave 01 6ev e d of the Crown whether the persons who bad aes t l a t these titles came under any known law, end . W „i o n would be the effect of a prosecution; the 0 1 31 " ine given was, that with regard to the e° ll `. existing Sion of the titles with ref erenc e to the „te • wa s statutes and the state of the common law 1 1 , illegal, but it could not be prosecuted with effecte tee (Hear, hear.) Furthermore, they said til t° wi s introduction of letters apostolic into this cou ntry , bs illegal, and was an offenc e for which a prosecu tion Intf be be commenced, and the j t udge would dec l a re thet' y parties had rendered themselves liable to a P e t he but they said that the statutes which prevented 1-pope troduction of any bull or writing of t he into this country, h a d no t b een for so lengbe time put in force, that if th e y wer e used for 'OO purpose of a prosecution for assuming these titl e l l et the ground that it was by the authority of 11bu mo ss writing from Rome, suc h p rosecu ti o n won t " jog likely fail, as the statutes had been l e w itk in disuse. The Hou s e w ill b e o f o pinion thal , ' aeu lti this opinion before th em , th e G ov ernment Nor not have done right to institute a prosecution. ;ay do I think that such a prosecution would lead t e noi ee useful result. It would have been with great fellt s set that, on the first occasion when we thought we lls f u' o b o ttla to complain of the introduction of such bull , ` nt i c eril haVe ordered a prosecution without first having e e " sad practice which had so long been carried ( ".., e itil which had been left unnoticed and apparently t o Sete consented to. There is a further difficulty, andl wis h t° lts to the House the whole difficulty upon that subject. we e doubt according to the statute of Richard 11. in certet p tioe ' the introduction of b u ll s conta i n i n g °V l :objec t of power would be a grave offence, eti",,,a bee? the offender to the loss of hi s p ro p ert y. This ' l e k decided in the case of Lawl er , in the reign of T There wiis likewise a statutory prohibition in the 10 "feeelee beth, with respect to the introduction of writings f r og , o we In 184 e, that part o f th e s t atu t e o f Elizabeth es of fixed the punishment o f t reason on an y such effort the that nature was tak en awa y, an d it was d e clared tb; e iss repeal merely extended to the penalties, and that th e e, Jul such bulls or writings. Accordingly, nothing in that repeal to render it lawful to introduce pro needed on such grounds, and with such an issue r ye . ree d probable result, under the statutes to which I f e a t her d e ' ferred. But then a further question arises, wu'e ni t eP" we might 11° 1 suel l these statutes have fallen into disuse, it would not l e tee advisable to make a new enactment with respect to t o o& troduction of these writings or bulls froth k o ohs This is an imp or t an t par t o f th e g re „ a " O n / ject, and it app ears t o me th a t 9°' is legislate in one of two ways. Ott e of s a y enact a general prohibition against the introduct'" - e e e bulls from Rome which may affect the peace of e st pill jesty's dominions. That is one course , but their th o ld leave the law exceedingly vague, and it will deem ed difficult to define in that enactment what shall be nih noes . as disturbing the p eace o f h er M a j e sty's tauct n t °,ll , Then there is another course t o p ro hibit the r°' - o per" of any bulls until they have undergone the ah ieb sion of some officer o r b oar d. Thi s i s a course tie s ° taken in several of th e con ti nen tal na Europe. But the course wou ld b e a l s o atteoed Atilt ed tb this difficulty, that it might be occasionally concetcoo the the Catholics had been treated with harshness. or el , sl' other side that bulls dangerous to the state bed r e et.t.: lowed to enter the kingdom which should have e e t lie" eluded. In a free country, and w ith a f ree parlion e d ieco, ours, this would give rise to considerable eaeleee sion, and I should be sorry to introduce that e " into debates.—(Hear, hear.) Therefore, after ran' s wit h beration on this subject, after very anxious discusst ° coo Jd b e t a view to come to the best possible decision that,. se nil e ,' formed on the subject, we have thought it bes t ee floc to propose to repeal the statutes I have mentiene;eicbee propose such alteration or substitutes as those to _ it' , to have alluded. In the present state of affairs , . 5 7 t ee 0 ; great uncertainty that still prevails as to vella t e vi e iher t e e tention of the measure which has been taken, vine it set to be the prelude to future measures, or w hether. ch • merely a blunder committed on a sudden, and vr : h e l I b t _ t . i .h be retracted or amended, in such a state of affettli e cla'n s any power which we possess by law, and thought it far better, on the one side, not to re aler 00 3 on the ° c oa to propose any substitute which might in itself be oesteoe o fo permanent evil. I come now to the immediate rlu;vhile the assumption of titles, and I think it is useful , woe i c o t• this subject, to refer to that which was given as th e , e peel / t i t . the prohibitory clauses in the Roman Catholic Je er " 0 ,0 ° 4 Sir Robert Peel, in introducing that great rasagee t i i to the following effect respecting the clauses o iotieee ecclesiastical titles :—" A practice has of late ocotoa prevailed in Ireland which is calculated to give i r e e a : I may add just offence to Protestants. I allude to 7 6 , 0 0-4 tine, on the part of the R oman C a th o li c P r elates, °' tir ch ing the names and titles of the Bi s h o p s o f the e: to t " England. I propose that the titles which belong „ e d bishcps of the Church of England shall not be ass e e - 1 c e , the bishops of the Roman Catholic Church. Bisbor o rdir: them, tor bishops they are, having had their right ° f tas t e tion acknowledged as valid by our own Church, ba t 1 e ot/ e " tain that it is neither seemly nor decorous to Ins e e 9tt - e : and titles which properly belong to the prelates of l'e t herP,e; e lished Church, and such assumptions shall be elt ° g ° , D eo/trio vented in future."—(A laugh.) AccordinglY t e tt a to, was inserted in the Catholic Relief Act, tend 7.1 saur.„4 y om a an th C at at c h o o m li m c u a n rc ic h ,n b , ish an op d s the following year there was published a Pa ste e - ii Irene a ddreas isture b t from h the e la i R t very warm terms of the kindness which the Lei think ltne shown in passing the Emancipation Act. the h in etwe e worth while also at the present time, whet/ the worth while also at the present time, W not (r ite ls which had been used by Archbishop Cullen itte 'Aril cou t respectful to the Crown and Legislature of this 0 00 3 0, recal a little to mind what was the universal hop s 019 t h twenty-six Roman Catholic archbishops and bill e t 'Oge e After congratulating themselves that the Wan bad s hed l i e subsided, arid that peace and justice were about te w ecieL t , to blessings on the country, they said that the King% ftedu - hr were bound in loyalty to honour, was entitleuttheleigto r a h n i s d bishop., spesoo all the honour and gratitude they can bestow; th s e e frel lt° o 4 lature by its labours had raised them (the people rights To, from a prostrate condition, giving them en.°l l it el° e otr privileges with their fellow-subjects, and tbsie ws ed ° entitled to their gratitude a n d l ove . They exP l y be i lt , e fident hope that the feelings o f th e people woo ` re oce n t to son with their own, and th a t res pect and adbe w hoier e t ee r constitution and laws of the country, and ot' e i o us the person and government of their most gr il le . ' - weo reign, would be manifested by the entire Pe°P oi ndb a e ev ts that so far as these sentiments are concerned it tO if Bishops Cullen and Miele would refer to th e t 10 41 '00 thus expressed by their predecessors, to see w e l s ister e te eo the Crown and what attachment to the Le t. b . Ge odO c t hoee felt in 18e0, and to consider whether sue pot pot b itorl not well worthy of limitation.- (Hear, hear. , rolo. ee i° bishops did not pass without noticing th iir e 5 ' reje l . o o clause. They mention it in this way tojttiotl f , the result, regardless of those provisions veretee ee rare be t affect ourselves, and not only us but Silos ' fl oret' orders which the Catholic Church has n° °ll ,lol os o ll bosom since the time of the apostles. These „e e or sots, we believe, sacrifices not required by res e even clog poliey, but by prejudices holding ,captiv, rejoi ,i/ minds of honest men, and they do not prec en 'coOleo t° at the good which has been effected for the re fer - n - 0 01 (Hear, hear.) They did not, therefore, Wht e e tblog v eld those provisions ask for their repeal, or do a hi l ei see see'd is than express a passing regret that such — that l eitli ° e' have been introduced. It seems to me, thet as prLeoe - e were the provisions of the Relief Act, and if a t 'T e ate 1 1, - 0 e°,l were passed without objection from the ib e „l, o iieel; body, but on the contrary were received with of obedience by the Roman Catholic higher; 1° re eiei°"4oo we should be perfectly justified in proposing P a .- 0 0; 1 % e a ' similar nature with regard to the recent 41 . hee 00!: titles in this country. For I consider that 'talon 'o• ev' e l sumption had been that of the title of Aren't - o at-clove terbury, with jurisdiction as ordinary over tha t e ett "011; or, as in the present case, Westminster With 2l ee stie S ; e ig°) carved out, the difference is immaterial to the d soere ehe er%, being equally an assumption of supremacy t o ol rionitie which ought not to be permitted by laW.-"•k, 0 5 it , But there are other questions which are davit:os. r e s. diately connected with the assumption of the3e,bat or to tb° believed, and I think not without foundatioe,d'er yell3'sietl; son for this change from vicars apostolic , 0 . 0 of the iB Roman Catholics have enjoyed the free e zerce ioto te te d ligion, and been satisfied with for 200 Year* 010 1 1 0 1' tv e r dioceses, is not only to make an assumPtionihut 1 04 torie some degree to lower the state in England , v et coat i !' died, purpose of exercising by such means a gr e ' a de or a Ply the large endowments which are in the b& jes of tbe t Roman Catholic trusts in this countrye - ( ettie oft; of hear.") Now Ido not think it would be ** A el should allow that control to be exereie ° o - s to % r og er the holders of those titles which we area h° e e t° to Pct and therefore I shall, if the House give me le:„ „eas e 4 a Bill, introduce in it clauses providing that het dif tto .e sons under these titles shall be null and veto. done by the holders of such, titles shall 81 0 _ 4 4 ( ) t e a• s e , void ; and that, further, that property benzen e the L':pt!'„, to such persons and for their purposes, shall P . 7 t h, 0. 6:7, the Crown, either to create trusts in harmorlY 0 toPi e eet l 7, 4 tion of the donor, or to be otherwise disposed oh lo s e% .:r e best to the crown. Ido not think that poWers • Fad pl e a than these would satisfy the justice of the ca h l os fer os hr s . aware that in several cases there has been 11 , 0 " o ther' io W O ( perty from those who have hitherto held it t h , e erte to ce, either directly from Rome, or persons assurn,'"J s o bet' s f as bishops of the Roman Church I was told °f p io this nature the other day. I will not name lf se der bee was near the sea coast, where a priest " hela, t eri t 'S the income which lie had hithert ° l ee or 4l a uthor' tel informed that by ecclesiastical crest cc4l e e rr° found that such property and such int s i r , ee 010_ 3 0 usefully employed for other purposes. IC, w o ii e 013 0 40 to take power to defend the Homan Cat" tha t er, or oeht e such attacks as these. It is -desirath desirable to I do : 0 do so, and the clause I preP se d e gree for Tee into the Bill, will in a othergreut eaeasticrieedrd If it should be necessary to Introduce ned r ep purpose in the Bill of my Him. and , ece w ith to golf Attorney-General which he will intrpw- I ,_ e 0 0 1 ..sfer sot v re' charitable trusts, further securities w t h e t was ;: o p • D st • the Roman Catholic laity agai i t g lees ar il r whi eu dlfico lt 4 fee their property into hands fo mor e 1 w ith fo r 0 criginally intended. Sir, there is a _, ra w ase e e e which the Hon. Member for Youghal av ru e , she a 9 foete, oe" • e P' to 'he means that have been employed w ine th e ' a .) some of this property, a means aiga inst _ la , he? in the spiritual censure threcte• • her to lessors of the Roman Catholic religtu tte d it c! t That, Sir, is a far more difficult questiotaLe saa iee ese o bi t ' be teachee unless we adopt the spirit ot tu to th e Pr ote ct which I have referred, and import it In T 5 . , 0 ti0? which at present Ido not propose to de. 'the o.q.s".silog, in the first piece, this Bill is to prevente eo w o.' t to 1 1 .,) any title t only horn any d i ont , `.. 3 obje c ear ,.be s from any territory or any place whicu ee t a) ,o ei tel; authority or belongs to the United King"' eropowe f 4 Oll O That provision is in conformity with the n ': h o p 0 1 - saw was made the other day by the skit ce e d bro a th e to tl and "Fra If I desk did