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The Marquis o f CLANRIC ARDE proposed, as an amend ts's- ent, the in sert i on of a clause giving to the Hibernian and Royal Bank s equal privileg es with the other banks, which, ceder th e provisions of this Bill, had the power of issuing notes in Dubli n and within sixty miles thereof. The Earl o f RI PON resisted the amendment, and the clause Was eventually negatived witho u t a di v i s i on . The Bill was then read a third time and passed. GAME-LAWS. „The E ar l of BESBOROUGH intimated. on behalf of Lord Deere, that it was not his intention to proceed this session With his Bill for alte , ing the game-laws. Th ee Lo IRISH JURORS BILL. the I • RD CHANCELLOR moved the second reading of tiride Jurors Bill. He would detain the House only a few ° O,tes while h e b r i e fl y ca ll e d the attent i on o f t h e i r a.n7lute'ktilfl,se to the state of the law at present in Ireland, provisions whi• h he intended to introduce to remedy !lie defects in it. The high constable and collectors are ordered el L ° make out l ists O , Ce a year, of the d.ff•rent parties who area t o be elected as jerors. This list is sent to the c'erk of the peace. The clerk of the peace is desired to leave it three weeks ; t, . s °rne public pace, where it will he open to public inspection. a.subsequent period a session is held for the examination of e list% and all persens are allowed to attend, and the high _ecniatable and clerk of the peace are required to attend, when a ny one who has an objection to make either es to the omission or Insertion of a name can mike such objection. In perform irig t his act there is no appeal from the deci s i on o f that Cou r t. 0 p to this point th ere ea nn difficulty. The magistrates make yid ! 1 ! from these p ar ti cu l ar l i sts a general list where the indi uals are classified according to their rank, station, and pro- P er tY. This list, so arranged, is sent to the clerk of the peace ' ,e lre the sherriffe and that is w h a t i s ca ll e d t h e j urors ' b oo k f or I n Year. In making out this general list an error is liable to e d i :OeP in and in the case which gave rise to this Bill an error actually arise, for one of the lists was lost while they were I.t)l4ing transcribe t. to remedy this defect, and to prevent , e possibility of any t e rror occurring in future from this cause, would have the list numbered with successive numbers. `, 2 would furth er requ i re that the general and particular lists Mould be delivered to the magistrates, and after they shall be satisfied of their agreement, ti ey shall sign the general list. That was the second step. Then the book so made out was delivered to the sheriffs. If, however, any error should after all °shit precautio n be d e t ec t e d, h e wou ld have a special pro -I,si°n to mset it. H. wou ld di rec t th e part i cu l ar an d genera l tio ts to remain w i th t h e clerk of the peace, open to the inspec n of the peopl e without fee or reward, and if any one found Zname omitted or iteerted, so as to make an incoreet list, he ooluild enshle this error to be rectified on an application to the t . of Queen's Bench, a judge of which Court would he authorised to summon the clerk of the pesee and the sheriffs. w ith their bo o k_ an d h ave the error corrected in his presence. These then setter the provisions of the Bill; and if it were ihe e ad a second time , and they went into Committee, he should } '?Pty to insert any adde ions which Neble Lords might nwhich ielees necessary. wa- reay to adopt any precautions e sight besugge H st e ed. He ha d d been tine Mine to overload Billwith untiece-aary pr o vi s i on s. Si nce the B i ll was P- I ted, he had receiv , el a communication from a gentleman Who f ie e . m ah u obtained some notoriety on the subject—Mr. Pierce in the °° — ho was of opinion that. sufficient provisien wits made _ Rill fur all that was required. If any further explana "a!l,vras required, he should he happy to giveit. trZCAMPisELL ‘houeht the Bill would effect great im ements, but he was di sappointed - that it did not make persouprlege, nobler provision for the challenge to the array, which was a given by the common law of England to a in P aced on his trial. Sufficient provision was not made the Bill for arty mistake or indifference on the part of the Sheriff o r hop e d ,° 1 the Person by whom the list was made out. He to midi Noble Friend would introduce a clause into the Bill nu . ght ar ise ter pr ov i s i on for any mistakes of this nature which The LORD arr ay , en , C HANCELLOR said the challenge to the 1 u.O "ly be necessary where there we's a defect in the s '' f the list corresponded with the jurors book, there would be no nee • tuis.ttyakof th e e sstY nti t e a t r a challenge to the ar:ay. It would be the Court! to compare the book with the list, that no light a rise —nothing was left to the discretion of the alter th e /- di d not apprehend that there was eny necessity to i nt _ em . ill with respect to the challenge to the array in the ethate stage s of the trial. However, he would take it surLoconsideration seered NMAN was satisfied with the Bill. he %int LORte CHANCELLOR said if this Bill were passed eended to introduce a similar Bill for England. In Bill was then read a secoed time. IRISH BISHOPS' PATRONAGE BILL. This Bill was read a third time and passed. The M i r THE THE COATING TRADE. th e quis of LONDONDERRY moved for a return of ofdumber of British ships and their tonnege, and of British I l e: of ell rank-, employed in the Sonth Sea fishing in each three years 1830, 1831, and 1832, and in the years Y ears 1842, and 1843, and the total of e•ch of the three il l ,: I also a similar return of the number of British ships and Str a i t tonnage, of all ranks, in the Greenland and Davis 1,,,,,e,aa whale fishery in each of the years 1830, 1831, and s y `"" er ' s. nd in 1841, 1842. and 1843, and the totals of these hips; and also a similar return of the number of British sI their tonnage, and British seamen of all ranks, ern cglovedi in that trade to the ports of Russia, Denmark, Sweden, i n i s4 r i a , sia, in each of the y ears 18:30, 1831, an d 1832, an d ye ars. 1 e r 1, 84 2, and 1843, an d t h e tota l s o f . each of these three tells ne Nobl e M arqu i s sa i d h i s object in moving for these t its was to show the falling,off which had resulted to the %a t e s , l nle trade in consequence of the construction of railways o . a e ne Eirl of DA L HOLTSIE had no objection to produ the returns moved for by the Noble Marquis. He . was antn.e "'lye however that the returns, instead of showing a falling of f i, in the coasting trade, would show quite the reverse. The e e s -ar ge in bringin gcoals by sea, a distance of 240 miles, was C bd. Per ton , rrespective of London harbour dues, while, 1 railroad, th cost was 14e., or about td. per ton per No.v, he did think that so long as this was the case A ere seas very little danger to be apprehended as to a falling t °e in the coast i ng trade. He believed, too, that 3d. per ev °,tt per m il e was the utmost limit in point of cheapness for PLO"' coals could b e carr i e d . It was stated by the Noble quis that they could be carried at one halfpenny, or even one farthing, per ten per mile, but he thought that. with all the Improvements that were introduced in locomotive power, coals would never be conveyed at such low rates. 4,ord RATHER TON considered that the Noble Earl's cal culations were made for the districts in Derby e ot . 25 shire,Stafford shire, and L e i cestershire, and the no thedrinstaenonenties. r a l o n m ste ile; lnstead, however, of b as i ng his calculations on let him take a shorter distance —let him take 120 miles. he did so, he thought it would be seen that the apprehensions entertained by the Noble Marquis were not unfounded. In the Great North of England Railway many of the Directors of that. Company were owners of coal-fields, and from Durham to York he believed that coals were carried for *d. per ton. H is Noble Friend, therefore, had some authority for the state . !tient which he made with respect to the reduced rates. The °tatters of railways were becoming coalowners, and coalowners dire ctors of railway s, aced he had no doubt that coals, by the of force Competitio, would soon be carried at d.o per ton per rate A ton of coals might be conveyed to London, at this , from the great coal-fields of the north at 6s. 3d. per ton. ue present charge on the freight of coasting ships for light mouse dues alone was from 31. 10s. to 4/. per cent., which in creme(' the p r i ce o f coa l s. H e t h erefore h ope d t h at t h ey Z u 'd adept m eans to re li eve t h e coast i ng tra d e o f t h e country oen such exorbitant charges. Lord ASHBURTON spoke in favour of the coasting trade, an a t , l . e cangidered th at w hil e t h ey were expending nail ions on the t ade " . they ought to protect the ships engaged in the cowing tLord BROUGHAM considered that the navy could be sup ted as heretofore, in a manner which would do honour to euun lrY• He was alto in favour of supporting the mari b_e trade of the country in an efficient and proper manner, tt r i he considered that it •hould be left to legitimate means coas ts °ten resources. Let restriction be removed from the woutinerce of the country, and the maritime trade of Britain St at r equire ne pecuniary assistance at the hands of the burden He did not o bj ec t to their removing some of the but h p - ' s which a p o sit i v ely pressed upon the Newcastle trade, aided did most object to their taking such a one , i trld e eiew of the case as that they ought to discourage their m int; °ftal nunication, for the purpose of unnaturally encoureg- Lauother branch of their commerce. • Qrci AS HBURTON did not mean to say that the coast- I t i 3g trade had fallen off, but he protested against the assump tien, that by increasing the wealth and commerce ofcoun ' n r Y'lheY were necessarily improving the coasting navigatio d. . e° l l which the defence and iiidependence of the nation reste d. al, a fallacy, too, f or N o bl e Lords to suppose that it was e ea w h,a Ys to the advant4a f the country to purchase in the them e market. For instance, it would be much better for t oPaY a littl e more for their fish when caught by En,glitin 4 sherin en t h an to have it cheaper when caught by Dutchmen I,: e tt ng, however, upon te latter view f he ase, Govrnment ""' removed the protectio h n from acme s of t our c fi-heries, e and the consequence had been a falling off in the trade. • Lord S lANLEY denied that any reduction had taken place ll t this trad e o f t h e country from a removal of t h e protect i on e "t o t id rly given to th e w h a l e fi s h er i es . eoIj~COLCHESTER thought it highly important that the n erY trade should b e ma i n t a i ne d and fostered as much as i;:! si biet inasmuch as that part of the coasting trade formed nurs, ry for our ettarnen. the Earl of HADDINGTON remarked that a great deal th e o-asting trade was now carried on hy steamers, and, therefore, that part of it which was carried on by sailing yes became ot more importance to the country. He di in d not, "'ever, think that there had been any diminution the t o trade. On the contrary, he thought it had rather tecreased than diminished. After a few words from Lord KINNAIRD and Lord Wsi Alter thill' e r q aat o hs. maintained that there had been no falling off in trade. Th e Marquis of LONDONDERRY said that he concurred - .AI the First Lord of the Admiralty that it would be better, ev en if eoal s or t i m b er d id cost a little snore in conveyance by l ° Pay the additional cost than to damage the coasting b"`°. His re ason f or mo ving for the returns was nut prompted bej h a : personal interest he had in the subject , but because lie ed that coalowners, when they found the laud of the so much cheaper would prefer it to the exclusion o wo t u h l e ( sea ~cinveyance altogether. The consecpence of t th at the coating trade would be ruined. Coale at the or "t 7s 6d., and the carriage to London made up the p a i l m w o e u i l e !t sold in He would like, therefore, to know, ounce — s e ' in London at 26s per ton, what became of the difference? ate thought that if measures were not taken to remove the re atric:iions to which the shipping were liable, in the shape of harbour nu e e i tee', there would be an end to tne carriage of by sea. The o Due of WELLI7, CiT°N w ord in favu kwished to say one ' •onferred upon the country t h, rof a c orporat i on which hats R thatgreatest benefit—he meant the Trinity - oard. •He hoped th i n any regul a ti ons w hi c h m i g h t b e ma d e w ith „ met to • • . ‘.l t,l coasting trade or the harbour dues, their Lordships won... 2'!e care that the ' lights on the coast of England should claim ` o 4 l lt share o f t h e i r attention. the subject then dropped. RAILWAYS. • Lor d BROUGHAM presented a petition from certain ntiners in Staffordshire in favour of the nartow gauge. II A in conversation then ensued about the broad and h lt a rr °v l age, the London and Birmingham Railway Company r v ' t cd raised their tolls contrary to agreement, and railway noeolies in general, in which Lords Brougham, Redesdaie, Hitherto and the Marquis of took part, when The Du ' ke of RICHMOND said that he e d id not intend to enter into the question of the gauges, for he had not not read upon upon the subject to enable him to come to a decisitn We it. Bet he thought it very desirable that Parliamtnt s_nould decide upon the tolls and rates of carriag-. There t w k ere not two railway Bills that came into that House that Lai t i l t , Same tolls. They could only hope, therefore, to prevent in equality by an Act of Parliament, which would make it te,Tripulsory on railway companies to revise their scale of kind'l every five years.—( Hear, hear.) Somethieg of this utpam a a l l s l o was required to prevent large companies from buyin g . companies, and thereby acquiring - -preponderance in these companies, and thus creating a monopoly. He thought tn at the injuries arising to the interests of the public from a n e n °Poly of this kind should he gut an end to. 'lle Marquis of CLANRICARDE gave notice that, on at enday next orders , li e would bring forward a motion relating to the 4 ndin g. RAILWAY RESOLUTIONS. Lord BROUGHAM then moved his third resolution (which was postponed yesterday evening) in reference to Rail. way Bills. The Earl of WICKLOW was anxious to see some provi sion, such as the N ,ble. Lord proposed to introduce, in tefe • rence to Railway Bills, but he thought that there would be some bad effects attending it which he could not. assent to. The Duke of RICHMOND .said they must insert a clause in the Bill. saying that the parties should pay the costs. Lord BROUGHAM said they had no power of levying money, but they had the power to compel the parties to pay the costs, if they thought the case was one in which they ought to do so. He had no objection, as most of the members of the Committee were not present, to postpone the resolution until Monday. It was postponed accordingly. The Noble and Learned Lord then proposed the fourth resolution, That in every railway, road, or canal Bill, after the present session, there shall, in the first session in which it is brought in. be proved in the Committee thereon, two-thirds in number of as sents of landowners on every two miles of the line, or on every four miles, if there be fewer than three landowners; and that if more than one-third shall dissent on any such two miles or four miles respectively, the railway, road, or canal shall not be suffered to pass through those two miles or tour miles, or any part thereof; and that ercei t within two miles of the termini, all owners of land within two hundred yards of the propo , ed line shall be deemed and taken to be own, rs in reckoning the number of the assents and dissents," which was agreed to. GAIIING AND WAGERS' BILL. This Bill passed through Committee. THE REAL PROPERTY BILL. This Bill also passed through Committee. Their Lordships then adjourned. onusE r >F colimONS. .luly 4. Th, SPEAKER took the Chair five minutes before Four o'clock The Bristol Parochial Ratts Bill (No. 2) was reported. LONDON AND SOUTH-WESTERN RAILWAY. The London and S,uth-Western (No. 1) Metropolitan Ez :ension Railway Bill was read a third time and paned. EREWASII VALLEY RAILWAY. _ . . The Erewa , h Valiey Railway Bill (No. 2,) was read a third time and passed. Captain PLUM RIDGE brought up the report of the Com mittee of the Lady's Island and Tactlmshin Embankment Bill, which was ordered to lie on the table. DIRECT LONDON AND PORTSMOUTH RAILWAY. Mr. B. DENISON brought up the report of the Com mittee on the Direct London and Portsmouth Railway Bill. BiiIGHTON AND CHICHESTER RAILWAY. Mr. B. DENISON brought up the report of the Com mittee on the Brighton and Chichester Railway (Portsmouth ErenNion Bid.) GUILDFORD, CUICHESTEH AND PORTSMOUTH RAILWAY. Mr. B. DENISON also brought up the report of the Guildford, Chichester, and Portsmouth Railway Bill. IRISH GREAT WESTERN RAILWAY. Mr. ESTCOURT brought up the report of the Standing Orders Committee with respect to the clauses proposed to be added to the Irish Great Western (Dublin and Galway) Rail way Bill. The Committee were of opinion that the clauses proposed to be added might be adopted by the House. Mr. WARBURTON presented a petition from the Grand Canal Company against the clauses. Mr. F. FRENCH said that the petition was only intended as a repetition of the annoyance to which the promotersof the Bill had been subjected. Lord G. SOMERSET could not conceive what objection could be made to the clauses. The clauses were then brought up, read a first, second, and hird time, and ordered to be added to the Bill by way of r►der. The Bill then pa-sed. NORWICH AND BRANDON RAILWAY. On the motion of Mr. COBDEN, the Norwich and Brandon Deviation (Disc and Dereham) Branches Railway Bill was read a third time and passed. GLASGOW JUNCTION RAILWAY. The Glasgow Junction Railway Bill was read a third time and passed. TEN HOURS' BILL. Sir E. HAYES presented petitions from Blackburn, Bolton, and other places in favour of a Ten Hours' Bill. Sir G. GREY presented similar petitions from Bradford and other places. General JOH NSTONE presented a petition from Ashton under-Lyne, to the same effect. Several other Members also presented similar petitions. LUNA TICS. On the motion of Mr. T. DUNCOMBE, the three peti tions which he presented yesterday, with respect to the treat ment of lunatics in private houses, were ordered to be printed with the votes. BURY ST. EDMUNDS RAILWAY. The Lords' amendments to the Ea.tern Union atid Bury St, Edmumis Railway Biil were agreed to. DUNDALK AND ENNISKILLEN RAILWAY. The Lords' amendments to the Dundalk and Enniskillen Railway Bill were agreed to. Mr. MASTERNIAN presented a petition from Christ's Ho , pital against the Charitable Trusts' Bill. GLASGOW, PAISLEY, KILMARNOCK, AND AYR RAILWAY. The Lords' amendments to the Glasgow. Paisley, Kilmar nock, and Ayr Railway (Cumnoek blanch) Bill were agreed to. IRISH PAUPERS. Mr. S. CRAWFORD presented a petition from several poor-law guardians in Ireland, complaining of the grievances to which the Irish poor were subjected bj the operation of the present law, as regarded their removal from England to their own country. The petitioners prayed that' a clause might be introduced in the amended Bid, giving those Irishmen who had resided for five years in England a right of settlement in the latter country. ACTIONS AGAINST MEMBERS. Mr. BAINES, who was almost inaudible in the gallery, was understood to present a petition from John and Charles William Scott. shipbuilders, Greenock, praying that certain officers of the House might be al'owed to attend in the Court of Common Pleas, to identify the person of the Hon. Member for Cheltenham (Mr. Craven Berkeley), against whom an action had been brought in that court. Without wishing to impugn the conduct of the Honourable Member for Cheltenham, he (Mr. Baines) thought that, under the circumstances, the prayer of the petition should be acceded to. Mr. BERNAL thought this was a singular proceeding. It was somewhat extraordinary to require the presence of two of the officers of that Home in any of the courts of law to identify the person of the Honourable Member. He would very briefly advert to the circumstances which gave rise to this action. It originated in a transaction which dated as far back as 1837 or 1838, when a Company was projected for the purpose of giving a steam na vigation from Glasgow, Greenock, and the west of Scotland to the West Indies. he Hon. Member for Cheltenham was re quested to act as a Director of the Company, but he at once objected. Neither, as it appeared, did his Hon. Friend undertake the progress of the Bill through the House, for, as it happened, the name of another Hon. Member, not his, was endorsed on the back of the Bill. The Honourable Member's name had been, however, notwithstanding his objection, placed in the list of the Directory, and the present action wa. brought for the cost and expenses of a steam-ship built at Greenock, to the order of the Steam Navigation Company. Now, as the Hon. Member explicitly denied that he had consented to have his name introduced as a director ; as he was perfectly ignorant that his name was in any way made use of, and, as the House was well aware, that many private Bills were passed, of which the majority of the Members were totally ignorant, and on which therefore any name might be introduced, was it. he asked, just or reasonable that expenses like those sought far in this action should be recovered from the Hon. Member ? He was de cidedly oppmetl to the reception of this petition. Mr. CRAVEN BERKELEY denied that he had at any time either directly or indirectly sanctioned the adoption of his name as a director of the company. He was quite ready, how ever, to assist as far as lay in his power to a full and searching inquiry into all the circumstances of the case. Mr. WARBURTON said that in the peouliar circumstances o' the case, if he were in the position of the Hon. Member for Cheltenham, he should offer no objection to the attendance of the officers of the House. Mr. CRAVEN BERKELEY said the Hon. Member had misunderstood him. He h.d said that he courted the most teat cluing inquiry. Mr. WARBURTON explained. Mr. HUME thought it was the usual coune to permit the officers of the House to attend in such a case as the present. Sir GEORGE CLERK said that it did fregta•ritly happen that officers of the House having charge of certain books or do cuments were required to produce them in Court, and to be examined upon them, but this was a case of a very peculiar kind, and he could not help su , pecting that the parties had a peculiar obj..ct in view in requesting the attendance of the officers. It should also be recoilccted that the Hon. Member might be very easily identified without calling upon that House to interfere between the parties. On the question being put, the motion that the petition be received was negatived withou , a division. BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE. In answer to a question from Mr. WYSE, Sir JAMES GRAHAM fixed the Literary Society's Bill as the first order of the day for Monday next. Mr. SHELL gave notice that on Monday next he should ask the Right Hon. Baron, t at the head of her M:•jesty's Govern ment, in what number of American ships had the right of visiting in distinction trom the right of search been executed. RAILWAY GAUGES. Colonel DAWSON DAM ER appeared, and presented a message from the Queen, announcing that having received an address recommending uniformity of gauge in the construction of future railroads, her Majesty would take the matter into her gracious consideration. Mr. HUME wished to know what was the revenue and ex penditure of the province of Sinde ? Lord JOCELYN said that fifty-three lacs of rupees had been received, and twenty-one had been expended. CONFLICT WITH THE POLICE AT BALLYHASIG. In answer to a question from Mr. BOUVERIE, Sir T. FREMANTLE said that he had every reason to believe the report which had been circulated of the unfortunate catastrophe at. Ballyha.ig was correct. It was true that several lives had been lost. With respect to the police, he trusted, from the information he had obtained, they vverence to blame. From the appearance f the case, as it at present stood, it was evident the police had acted in defence of their lives. A pri • Boner was attempted to be rescued, and the police would not have acted consistently with their duty to have offered no re sistance. An attempt had been made to rescue the prisoners, and it was only when the police considered their lives in danger that they fired on the people. Mr. SHELL—I wish to know has any inquiry been directed by the Government on the su , iject of this outrage? Sir T. FREMANTLE—A coroner's inquest was held on Thursday (yesterd,ry), and if the investigation on the inquest did nut bring out all the circumstances, or the result was consi dered unsatisfactory, the Government would con , ider it to be their duty to institute fresh inqu , ry.—( Cheers. ) Mr. Al. GIBSON wished to ask the Chancellor of the Ex chequer if he meant to take the report on the Bill of Exchanges Bill it , - , ! ! evening? If so, it was his intention to move that the report be re-committed, so that several alterations might be made, R of the EXCHEQUER could not at The CHANCeLLQ that moment state oF-hoat4miGrseN vi#sowcionAlditt.ake on the subj e ct. Lord J. RUSSELL wished to kno w from the Ri g ht H p n. Gentleman at the head of t he GRyernment (Sir R. Per whether or not it would be in his poer tp 4y iipop the table n . nottce o mp of the House those papers relative to Cuba sugar, of notice t ßight or i o h n e production Friend( F riend( "o r n . thout Sir R PEEL said he thought he could, wi he Hou7eja tLhaebpourecvhieorues)elivaednignigve. dice to the public interest, Jay on the table of _ se ex tracts from the papers to which tiis 4up!fi Lord (J. "(ascii) adverted. PROVISION FOR RETIRED NAVY CAPTAI NS. Captain PECHELL begged leave to ask a question of the Chancellor of the Exchequer. He understood last sesston that the First Lord of the Admiralty intended to propose e. measure providing for the retirement of certain naval captains. Now, he would wish to a , lc the R ght Hon. Gentleman whether he intended to bring forward a supplemental vote to that effect this session? S r R. PEEL said that the question of the Gallnt Officer should be answered on Monday. COMMONS INCLOSURE BILE On the motion that the House do go into Committee on the Commons Inclosure Bill, Or H E SUN, LONDON, Mr. S. CRAWFORD rose to move that the consideration of the Bill be postponed for three months. He did not mean to throw any imputation on the Noble Lord who had introduced the measure; but this he would say, that the effort of the mover was to afford nbandant.pritectien to the loris of the soil, while the ri4lit to common would be taken away from the poor of the country, without giving them any compensation what ever. in fact, the effect of the measure would be to give to a few a rower which they never could exercise, namely, a right to sell the property of fut Are generations. It appeared that the Bill madeample privision for the protection of the rights of the lords of the soil, but it contained no clause by which to secure the rights of the people.—( Hear, hear.) If the population of a place amounted to 33,000 or to 5°,000, the who , e of the land reserved for recreation, and fit the use of the poor, was to be but ten acres. Now, he thought that the quantity of land reserved should be proportioned to the number of the poor.—( Hear, hear.) Yet the Bill proposed to leave it to the Commissioners to determine whether there should be any allotment whatever for the poor. He did not object to inclosures if they were made on equitable principles, with a due regard to the rights of the labouring classes, and the poorer ter ants. It was not just to deprive the poor of their rights and enjoyments, and to give them nothing in exchange. He was aware that the Bill provided that in certain cases the Commissioners should not take commons fir inclosure without application to Parliament. But that was not for the protection of the poor, for he had found that, in the passing of inclosure Bills through Parliament. their rights were disregarded. But it was said that the poor would benefited by the increased employment which the inclosures would afford to them. However, he did not find that the condition of the poor had been at all improved by the inchlsure of the 6,01f0 000 of arres, which had been brought into euitivati n since the peace. The fact was undeniable, that the labourers were in a worse condition than before the ine'osures. It appeared to him that all common land over which the State could exer cise control should be cultivated, under proper regulations, for the a ftvatvage of the poor, so far as not to interfere with the just right of the lord• of manors. Ile knew that when he went into the question of small occupancy he would be told that the principle failed in Ireland. Now, be would admit that there were in Ireland both great dest•tu! ion and sm , ll farms. But he found that, in the north of Ireland, where he people vv.:re better off than IMany other part of the country, there were small occupants.' In Armagh the average number of acres to the majority of farms was eleven acres. In Down it was 17. but in Meath it was 37 acres; and as you went southward, to the worst-conditioned part of the country, the extent of the farms was increased. In Cork the average was 132 acres, in Mayo 19.0, and in Galway 130. The labouring classes of Ireland, like the industry of every other nation, would apply their wages to the cultivation of the soil, if the amount of those wages enabled them to procure any land, or to expend the smallest sum upon it. He would again repeat, that this Act was substat , tially a landlord's Act, and re cognised ill the rights of the lord ot . the soil, without [Ming jut- Cee to the poor; and it this Act should he pas3ed, he had no doubt but that the immense quantity of land proposed to be in closed would eventually become the private property of the lords of the soil. This Bill contained a vast number of clauses, no fewer than 161 ; and lie did thick that a Bill of such mag nitude could not, at this late period of the session, receive the consideration it was entitled to. On those grounds, he had thought it necessary to move the postponement. of the measure for three months, and he thought the reasor.s he had stated were sufficient to warrant the Mouse in agreeing with him. Colonel Si 13T1 - 10111 3 said he would second the motion, ell in doing so. begged to say he fully concurred in the views of t' e Hon. Member opposite. These commissioners of poor law and tithe were very expensive to the country, and, com paratively speaking. had very little labour to perform. The Bill gave too much power to the lord of the manor, and not sufficient security to the poor. When the Bill came into com mittee he would endeavour to modify it by every legitimate op po 'pion in his power ; but he would much prefer its postpone ment The question having been put, Lord WORSLEY rose and said that he hoped the House would excuse him for entering into a history of this Bill, as he had been so much interested in it. In 1837, at the request of his constituents, he brought forward a Bill for legitimatising inclesures. The Bill met with great oppo sition, but in 1841),:in censequenceof renewed and numerous applications, he fee it his duty to bring forward another mea sure on the subject. He believed that such a Bill was neces sary, in order to improve the condition of the people. In 1842. when he introduced a Bill, there were no petitions presented against it. At that time, he suggested that there should be five Commissioners to carry out the provisions of the Bill. He was not successful that year. The next year he again intro duced a Bill which was not carried, on account of the time at which it was introduced. The Government said the House could not pay sufficient attention to it, and suggested a Com mittee up stairs to investigate the matter. That Committee was appointed, and he was one of them. Considerable time etas spent in the investigation, and much evidence was taken. Witnesses were. examined from a great number of counties, and the result was a decision of the Committee in favour of a general Inch eure Bill. A Bill, in consequence of this decision of the Committee, was introduced this year by the Noble Lord the Member for Nottingham (the Earl of Lincoln.) It had been considered by some Hon. Members that he had been ill-treated by the course taken by the Noble Lord, the Commissioner of Woods and Forests. In answer to that, he could inform the House that before that Bill was introduced, the Noble Lord wrote to him (Lord Worsley), intimating his intention of introducing the Bill, and submitting the Bill to his consideration. lie perused it, and intimated to the N. , ble Lord that he ( Lord Worsley) thought the Bill was an improvement on his Bill of the previous year, but suggested it might be considerably improved in Committee. So far from complaining that the subject was taken oat of his hands, he rejoiced that the Government had taken it up. Looking over the measure, though agreeing with it in the ' main, there were some parts so vague that it would require im proving in Committee ; but, nevertheless, he should he ex ceedingly sorry if the Bill was rekcted through the course ad vised by the Hon. Member for kl,,chrlale. He hoped Hon. Members, lief. re rejecting the Bill, would read the evidence of Mr. Frankland Lewis, Mr. Graham, and other gentlemen, who had been examined before the Committee. That evi dence. given by men the most competent to judge, showed that such a Bill was necessary. he thought the present Bill gave too much power to the Commissioners, and that great difficulty would be experienced in working the commission. By this measure parties, who had been living on commons merely by sufferanceee ould obtain possession of property, while those who had really a right to it would be kept out. He trusted that the Bill would be &lowed to go into Committee, arid that in Commetee these defects would be remer'ied, and he h-ped that Hon. Members would pay that attention to the measure which its importance deserved. OJr H UME felt it to be his duty to oppose the Bill, and to support the amendment. He was even more opposed to this measure than he had been to the measure which had been brought forward by the Noble Lord on this subject last year. The Noble Lord had certainly last year exhibited great coo - tesy towards those who were opposed to his measure, but stilt he felt bound to oppose the Noble Lord. Considering the magnitude and the importance of the public interests which would be affected by this Bill, he was surprised that it shophi have excited so little attention. He believed that all the lands worth inclosing had been already inclosed, and if they had not, let wheal ion be made to Parlisment in each case, so that each particular case might be consittered on .ts own merits. flys was a landed proprietor's 13i1i, taking f ro m the labourers the advantage which they possessed of taking air and exercise upen the commons of this country. He was sorry to hear his Learned Friend say that commons were private pro perty. He believed that all commons were held by the Crown for the benefit of the people. He was told that in this in closure scheme the commoners would have their share. True, the man who possessed a house might have a small piece of land given him, but the great bulk of the population would be shut out from the advantages of air and exercise in these com mons. He objected to the Bill when it was in the hands of the Noble Lord, and he objected to the Bill mole now, when it war in the hands of a Minister of the Crown. It did appear to him that they were trans ferring power which ought to rest in that House. The N'.ble Lord stated that there were certain Commissioners ex amined in favour of these inclosures ; but they had no evidence from any labourers who were entitled to roam in those in closures. They depended alone upon the evidence of landed proprieto . s, who were going to take away the rights and privi leges or the people at large. He believed that village greens were an exception ; but he was of opinion that these, too, would yet come wnhin the grasp of the landed proprietors. He objected to the Bill as socially injurious, aed he thought the House ought to consider before they gave this power, which would sweep away the interest which the people at large had in the soil of this country. They should identify the people more with the land. He ohjected, also, to the board, on the same grounds feat he objected to the Tithe Commission. They had been paid out of the Consolidated Fund, 60,0001. a year had been expended en the Tithe Commission for the last ten years, and none benefited by it but the advowsons. The la beurieg man had no right to pay tithes for the benefit of the tithe proprietors. He objected to that clause, and shouldin Committer give it every opposition possible. He objected to the whole principle of the Bill. The motion was to postpone the Bill till another session. It had already been postponed for two years, and it would be so much the better if it were postponed for another year. For these reasons he would give his support to his am,. Friend's amendment, and he hoped that he would take the sense of the House upon it. Mr. TRUAWNEY said that his principal objection was to the Commissioners. He thought, however, that great good was to be derived by this Bill. Any objection that might be thought necessary might be made in Committee. Mr. HENLEY expressed his desire that they should go into Committee. Lord PALMERSTON said that he should rather call this a 13111 for improving the circumstances of the labouring classes of the community, end expressly adapted to prt.mote the in terests of that class. There were in England and Wales about 37,000,000 of acres of land, of which it was calculated that at least ten millions were in the position to be affected by the provisions of this Bill. If the calculation was correct, that by the inclosure of these lands employment would be largely increased for the labouring classes—if, by the inclosing, tilling, and fencing of the land, and the erection of the buildings ne cessary in consequence of the inclosure, employment was given to one let - sourer and his family for every fifty atres inclosed, then the provisions of this Bill would, by bringing these ten nelli n of acres into cultivation, give employment to at least 2 oeoo labourers and their families. If further, as appeared, it was to the interest of the labourer that the land should sup port its population in such a way that wages should be made permanent, the. was the whole principle of the Bill one of ad• mirable utility for the whole country, for it would tend not only to make wages permanent, but to give emp'oyment for ever on that portion of the soil which was at the present too ment entirely unproductive, and therefore prove of the largest benefit to the whole country. It was a mistake to suppose that this Bill was intended in any way to interfere with the enjoy ment of the lower classes. There was no intention whatever to restrict them from places of recreation, or to appropriate those places which were devoted for the purposes of air and exercise. Its principles did not apply to such smal places as Clapham Common and Turnham Green, but to those wide and extensive wastes and commons which in many places exteuded in sterile inutility in different parts of the country. There was nothing in this Nil to affect the tights of that pipe whole intereete the Him. Gentleman seemed so anxious to protect, for it was expressly stated that no lands were to be inclosed within ten miles of London. Nor was it intended to take any places within certain distances of towns, and it was particularly stated that no village green or other place used for air or exercise was to be taken. The object of the Bill was to take those large spaces of ground over whiph it qv as preenmed the poor had a eight of ceinniOn:bui which were occupied only as a sort of savage hunting grounds, on which the richer farmer, who employed the labourers in his neighlegerhoed, was able to drive the property of those lag ewers `l sr hie teen pereps - iel pojoyw.ent, and this, bi the assistance of fierce dogs, trained for the purpose. to disturb and harrass the cattle or sh , ep of his poorer neighbours—so that he who could best afford to employ the greatest number of labourers could do the greatest injury. This was the right of repitoosir l e thip'e this pill proposed to take away. It was ell knovinehaethe persons who lived on these coth Mons, ittiong the class of lab ,urers, were far inferior in character to those who if, other parts of the country were supposed to depend upon their induetry'tOr 4 If Hon. Gentlemen had seen as much of this class of people as 'had, in eonsaserence pi near one of these open spaces or forests in Hampshire, (hey old 'snow that nothing was more detiimental to the lower classes th4n tkoat oppertenity of wild and irregular life which these commons gave. There was another part of this Bill to which attention had been directed. fn many cases it op, mitred, that where this right of common existed, and was vested in the lordtf of the manor, that they offered an ipur- _SATURRAI MORNING, JULY IMS. mountable eleslacie to improveinent, under the plea that they had a right to depasture cattle or sheep in these Commons from October till April or May. The whole benefit, in fact, went to the lord, and the poor cottager :cos too frequently deprived of all advantage. - Tffete were several portions of the year in which this benefit could not be enjoyed, The of jests had been well explained, however, and under the impression that this Bill would lead to a great improvement of the country, he then fere viewed it with great swisfactien ; and he thought that it ought rather to be entitled a Bill for the imsrovement f the labnuring classes. The Earl of LINCOLN said he might well leave this" Bill to the House without any remark, but he felt that some ob servations had been especially directed to himself—otherwise the Noble Lord opposite had so fully answered all the objec tions which could possibly be preferred against the Bill. The Hon. Member for Montrose (Mr. Hume) had objected to the principle of this Bill, but surely if he did so, he ought to have objected to the principle of every Bill which hal been pro jected and brought into the House and become Acts of Parlia ment fur the last twenty years, for they were all based on the same grounds. The lion. Member had celled this a landlord's Bill, but the real truth was that the whole object of the Bill was to preserve the iights of the poor. It did not contemplate any restrictions on thee rights which had not previously existed. The Noble Lord opposite had said that he had no ols;ection except to the details of the measure. The lon. Mem bers for Montrose and Rochdale had expressed a particular anxiety to preserve those rights of which so much had been said, but there were no rights which other inelosure bills had touched which this Bill left unregarded. Those Bills had all been submitted to Committees of the House of Commons, and he thought that a Committee of that House was a very fair tribunal. But it was only the rich who were able to avail themselves of the advantages of this tribunal. But the poor man had no means of coming before that House. If he were oppressed he must put up with the evil in silence, but by this measure he was provided with the means. By one of the clauses of the Bill, if there appeared any wrong had been committed, a number of independent parties were appointed to investigate the claims of those who were iejured. On crivate Bills there was ale aye a great expense, but by this Bill all inciiisures were to be effected by pubic Bills, without any con cealment whatev: r. If any private rights were invaded, or if any existed which were not i nva d e d, t h ere wou ld be an oppor tunity of inquiring into the grievance, without any unnecessary expense. By the form of the present Bill it was yovided that the Commissioners should annually report upon the lands that were to be enclosed, and on that report a public Bill was to be based, which should go through its regular stages is that House. Not at the time of private business, when pei haps only two or three Nlembers were present, to know anything of its previ sions. but at the timeof public business, when the House was full, and every portion of it mtglit undergo the most searching investi • gation, arid if the Commissioners should commit any grievous b under, there vs ou:d be an opportunity for any Member to detect and expose it. The lion. Member for Rochdale (Mr. S. Crawford) was atixious that the poor should have all the rights they were entitled to. But, therefore, the Hon. Member should recollect that where the rights of the poor were affected compensation was provided, and that these were not rights which could be said to be handed down from generation to generation. 'There were no personal rights whatever impli cated. They were rights attached to the grounds and nothing more. The same principle was adopted in this Bill which had been brought forward by Mr. Whittle Harvey in 1839: The Hon. Member for Rochdale again seemed to he yeti , apprehen sive that allotments should be made of those grounds which h a d b e e n appropriated for recreation, and he lamented that no ground was to be set aside for any places which had not more than 10,000 inhabitants. But, if he would look to the 13th clause, he would see that a certain reservation was made with regard to those towns which had a population of only 10, 1 ;00. and that a district was allowed which always comprised a much larger number of persons than properly belonged to the town. Even had any oversight been made, the atten tion of Parliament could always be drawn to the point, so that no great injury could possibly be done. By the celculations which had been made, it was proved that a sufficient space could always he allotted for air and exercise, without in any way interfering with the property that might be improved. In Ireland and in Guernsey the allotments were exceedingly small, and yet, though the inhabitants were therefore evidently of the poorer classes, no difficulty had been expe -1 ienced. By the 126th clause all the expenses were provided for. They were laid on the persons who were best able and most entitled to bear them. But this was a matter of little consequence, for it appeared that the. expense would not be more than one-eighth or one tenth of the advantage, as had evidently been shown in the Committee of last year. On these grounds he hoped that the Bill would pass through all its stages in the House as quickly as possible. The House then divided, when there appeared For the amendment For the original motion Majority —llo The House then resolved itself ikto Committee on the Bill. On Clause 1 being proposed, which related to the mode in which the Commissioners were appointed, Mr. C. BULLER objected to the Bill, because of the great power which it placed in the hands of a Government Board. There %sere but three Commissioners, one of whom was of necessity the Chief Commissioner of the Woods and Forests, the seeaud was unpaid, and the third (a paid Commissioner) was liable to removal at the pfea<ure of the Ministry. He meant nothiog disre.peatful to the Noble Lord (Lord Lincoln) at the head of the Woods and Forests. He (Mr. C. Buller) believed that the duties imposed by this Act would be as purely adminis tered by the Board with which that Noble Lord was connected. as by any other of the Governm , nt Departments, but he op posed it upon principle, and should have done the same if the Bill had been brought in in the same shape by the Noble Lord beside him. Lords of tl e Treasury, they were aware, might be in the same way - removed as this third commissioner. and they were very apt to believe those gentlemen influenced hy party considerations. —( Laughter.) The same suspicion would attach to the present. case. He particularly objected to empower the Woods and Forests, the holders of the Crown lands, to &cid , the peculiar questions which would be brought before them; and on these grounds he would propose to employ the machinery which had been heretofore in use. He desired an authority which would be competent to fulfil the duties im posed by the Bill, and he desired that that authority should be totally unconnected with the Government. He knew but of one such authority, and would, therefore, move that all words after " that" be left out, and that "the Tithe Commissioners of England and Wales" be inserted instead. The Earl of LINCOLN said that the Honourable and Learned Member had stated his objections in a fair and candid spirit, and as far as he ( Lord Lincoln) was individually con cerned, he should have no objeati , tn that the arduous doties imposed by this Bill should 'se removed from the department with which he had the honour to be connected. At the same time he could not help pointing out, how differeetly Honourable Members on the opp ,site side had viewed the question on former oecasions. He del not antic pate the evils which the fertile imagination of the Hon. and Learned Member had conjured up, and he trusted that the Hon. and Learned Member would not try to make the Hou e believe that the power placed in the hands of the Woods and Forests would be used for party purposes. The Hon. and Learned Member had referred to himself, as Chief Commis .ioner, but he was associated with other two; and with re spect to the power of the Alinistry to remove the third Com missioner, that was, he believed, common to all Commissioners —( Hear, hear)—to the Tithe Commissioners as well as others.—( Hear, hear.) The Hon. and Learned Member said, also, that this Commission was appointed by Government—but were the Tithe Commissioners cot also appointed by Govern ment?—( Hear. hear.) The necessary consequence of the passing of this Bill would be an enormous increase of applica tions for inelosures. There could be little doubt that a great portion of the land which was fit for cultivation would be made the subject of application to Parliament within the next two or three years, and that, after that time, there would be very 'idle to do, and that could be doe by the paid Consmi..siot,er. Colonel SIBT HORP was disposed to give his sanction to the proposition of the Noble Lord. The Tithe Commissioners had already put the country to an expense of 2.10,0e0/. Mr. WARBURTON thought that the Noble Lord, the Chief Commi ss i oner of Woods arid Forests, had not given any answer to the objections against the proposed constitution of the Board. But he agreed with his Honourable and Learned Friend that. as there were so many manors under the Crown, that it would he advisable for the Commissioners to be free from the suspicion of political influence. Mr. HENLEY said that they were in a great. difficulty in having two projects for the appointment of the Board to which there were serious objections. But the measure of the Noble Lord (Lord Lincoln) was a great improvement upon the Bill of last yers, inasmuch as it left an appeal to that House. Lord WORSLEY read an extract from the evidence of Mr. Frak Franklan t i Lewis, t o t h e effect that the Tithe Commissioners would be the b est b oard for carrying this Bill into effect. evidence LINCOLN, of Mr. ' in n el Mr. ES I COU itT supported the proposition of the Noble Lord. He th oug h t i t would be an advantage to have the paid Commissione r a M em b er of the House. L x m p , l i atLa e t w i o i l s i it o r e s u a d ppo a r n t ot t h h :r s p ta o t r e t m io e n n o ts f which be had m ade . Lord PALMERST ON said that the great object of this Bill was to inspi re confidence in the minds of the people. It would fail in th at O bj ect, as the Commissioners appointed by it were open to great objecti ons . T he po li t i ca l op i n i ons of the other Conmi-sionets would he known to none, but every body knew what the opinions of members of the Govern ment were ; anti when an inclosure should turn upon the deci ,on of adverse rights, either their determination would be founded upon an undue exercise of a political bias, or that de cision would b, attributed to that bits. Such dificulties would arise in the decision of private rights. He was also of opinion thatthe argument with reference to the rights of the Crown was one of great as eight, as they ought to be provided for in some way or other. Lord CLIVE, agreed with what had fallen from his Noble Friend (Lord Lincoln) with respect to the Commissiouers of t h e Woods and Forests. H e was o f opinion that there was tot great a prejudice existing against the Commissioners. He thought that it would be a great advantage to have the officer of the Government, the head of the Woods and Fore ts, con nected with this measu re , a s be would have a personal knowledge of the busitiess, and would not come down to the House depend ing upon a report read the day before, which might be trans mitted by the robe Commissioners. Mr. WILLIAMS said they might as well impose a tax upon the peopl t e o pay their deficient rents, as t o ma k e t h em pay for those inelosures ,shich were about to fall into ; heir own hands. lie offer his mo s t a ecided opposition to the clause as it now stood : Mr. WAKLEY said that he had already voted against going into Committee on this Bill. There was a great feeling against it, but he was of opinion that it would operase in favour of the people. The great, question before the House was, whe ther the first Commissioner of the Woods and Forests, a paid Commissioner and an unpaid 0 jramissi oner should consti-ute th e board, or that the fith e Commissioners should consti tute it, Is e was in favour of the latter.—( Hear.) It. was log • h l y objectionable that a Minister of the Government should preside over that board; he could carry any propo-it_ien pased, and when called on for the explanation , he could easily shake it off his shoulders by only an individqso stating that he was stem er of the sorn b ays bane mittee. The poor were lgantaee it down and crushed, in his opinion, by tbose whose. was to oppress. probably Lord would have no objection to postpone the Bill the Noble Lor after what, he had heard that night. He had no doubt that a roconsideration of the matter would lead th em to a better con clu-iou was embodied i n than that whic h the fi rs t c l ause . Mr. NEWDEGAT E was glad Mernbeefor sun port the claims of the. poor nn this question; and Finsbury, h Ten that tne right of he fully agreed with On such questions. waif always oeerloOke Lord EBRINGTs)N begged to remi n d the Hour of the difficulty the Commission ers would i enco unter in thei r e ff or t s to deal with commons in Cornwa, 2 many of which were Duchy preverty ! Mr. BROTHERTON thought that the Hon. Member for Finsbury had made out a very good case in favour of the Bill.—('Laughter. ) Mr. C. BUL LER disclaimed ill iVention of imputing wrong motives to the INoble Lord who had brought forward this mea sure; but he could not avoid saying that he looked with great alarm at the Government taking up this question, for he very much feared that the Tithe Commissioners weeld not have finished their present to take up the Bill, 40 thy could A' G ' t • g theirtake e ore some time. F or these seasons , he would certainly the sense of th e H ouse on the amendment, as he did think the Bill ought not to put forward, until as the Tithe such time Commissioners could take up the Bill, The Earl of LINCOLN could not see what objection could • be made to' the ewetinent of the r. proposed Commissioners, b ecit y ie4 in el: cases, an application should be made to the Secretary of State, before any step could be taken by the Commissioners. Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, when there peered to be— For the amendment Against it Majority against —37 The c'aese was then ordered to stand part of the Bill. Colonel SIBTII (./ RP said he was decidedly opposed to sash a regiment of Commissioners as this Bill proposed to appoint. Li.rd EBRINGTON thought the best feature in this Bill was that it would give protection against encroachments to per sons who never before enjoyed such protection. , Clauses '2, 3, 4 and 5 were then agreed to. On clause 6 being proposed, which provides the salary for the Commissioners, it was proposed to fill up the blank with 1,5001. Mr. W. WILLIAMS contended that this Bill was intended to benefit the landowners, and them only. He, therefore, did not think that the public ought to pay this sum. Mr. TREL AWN EY supported the proposal of the Govern ment. Mr. WAWN, in order to take the sense o f the Committee upon this clause, moved that the blank be filled up with 1,000/. instead of 1,500/. The Earl of LINCOLN defended the clause as originally proposed. The sum of 1,5` oi. could not be too much, when it was considered the duties that would have to be performed fur it. Colonel SIBTHORP thought the amount was too high. Mr. B. DENISON thought it was much better to pay a good officer liberally than to pay an inefficient officer a smell salary. Lord WORSLEY opposed the amendment, at the Fame time urging on the Government the necessity of one of the Commissioners being a good lawyer. Mr. WA KL F.Y thought just as good a man could he ob tained for 1,0001. a year as for 1,5001., and, therefore, if his Hon. Friend (Mr. Wawn) divided on his proposition, he sheuld support him. He wished to know what duty was the third officer expected to perform when he was to be paid no thing ? No lawyer would work at that rate he was sure— ( Leughter)—but the result would be that in a few years the Government would come down to the House and ask another 1,590/. for this other officer, and he, therefore, should, as a precautionary measure, support the amendment. Dr. BO WRING thought the best means was to maximise aptitude, and to minimise expense.—(Loud laughter.) The House then divided, when there appeared— For the amendment l3 Against it Majority against the amendment 5O After a brief discussion between Lerd LINCOLN and Mr. B. DENISON, clause 6 was a g reed to with an altera' ion proposed by the former, that the valuer should not have the power to call witnesses except under the seal of the Commissioners. Clauses 7 arid 8 were agreed to without discussion. On clause 9 being put, Mr. HUME said that no doubt could be entertained but that the object of this Bill was to create the greatest possible ex pense with the least passible advantage. —(Laughter.) He objected to the clause on that indisputable account, and trusted at least it would be materially modified. After a few words from Lord Lincoln, Lord Clive, Mr. B. Denison, and Mr. Darby, the clause was agreed to. Lord WORSLEY, in a few words, moved the adoption of the following amendment to clause 10 : In clause 10, line 11, to insert after the word ' them,' or to the valuer acting in the matter of any inclosure under this Act ;' and in same clause, line 20, after the word Commissionere' insert 'or valusr.' " Lord LINCOLN said the amendment proposed by the Noble Lord would most materially alter the condition of the Bill ; and he certainly could not consent to it. After some coeversation, in which Mr. HUME joined, Lord WORSLEY withdrew his amendment. On clause II being read, Mr. WILLIAMS wished to' know whether Lammas and Michaelmas land were to be included in that clause, and whether the Noble Lord ( Lincoln) would have any objection to insert that description of lend? Lord LINCOLN said that land was already included in the Act. and it was not his intention to exclude any sort of land. The Lammas fields would all be included in the 12th clause. Mr. WILLIAMS remarked that it eon's' be better for these lands to be dealt with without the interference of these Corn missioners, and inquired if the Commissioners had the power to inclose these lanes ? Lord LINCOLN replied, that no inclosure of lands would take place without the sanction of Parliament specially con firming the Commissioners' report. Mr. C. BULLER said it had been stated that there never would be under this Act any ince sure of land, without a special Act of Parliament, but he would inquire why, if in the 12th clause this proviso was inserted, it should not be also included in the 11th clause. He :anted to know what there was in this clause to exempt it from the general tenor of the Act. Lord LINCOLN said, the Hon. and Learned Gentleman (Mr. Buller) did not understand the clause. The Act of the 6th and 7th of William the Fourth, allowed the de scription of lands mentioned in the 11 th clause, to be inclosed by a private Bill. and it was most desirable the same power should be continued to these lands. They now came to common lands, which could not be inclosed without special Acts. The Commissioners would be somewhat analogous in function to the Board of Trade, and could only re commend the course that should be taken on any particular Bill. It would rest with the Government to confirm or reject. He had new, he thought, gone through the leading features of the matter under consideration. Mr. C. BULL ER said that, according to the 12th clause, no waste land could be inclosed without an Act of Parliament. Mr. HENLEY objected to the clauses as being vague, and imperfect in the sense it was intended they should convey. Lord LINCOLN sail, that with regard to the subject under discusssion, no land could be inclosed without an Act of Par liament. 'I hat he considered to he quite sufficient. After a few further remarks from several Hon. Members, clauses 11 and 12 were agreed to. Clause 13 was then proposed. An HON. Memeen objected to the clause. The inclosing of all the commons of the country would prevent the fairs and markets being held in many instances, as in many towns they were held on those commons that were proposed to be inclosed. Mr. S. WORTLEY asked Hon. Gentlemen to look at the 27th clause. By that clause the Commissioners were called upon to have regard to the convenience of towns, and villages, and he thought that the instructions the clause were sufficient to preserve the object. Mr. HUME said, that by the I Ith clause an unlimited power was given to inclose laud: without any limit ; and he wished the term village green to be defined. What were one, or even two acres for the recreation of a village? He had no confidence whatever in country gentlemen. Lord CLIVE thought that, taking this clause in connexion wth the 12th, sufficient care had been taken to secure the ground for recrevion to every village. Mr. WILLIAMS said that be trusted the Noble Earl would have no objection to extend the operation of the clause to 15 miles instead of 10, where the towns had 30,000 inha bitants, and three or four miles from other towns. The Earl of LINCOLN explained that even if this clause were left out altogether, there would still be sufficient security for the rights of the poor. Mr. WAKLEY said that it should be remembered that in many places there were patches of land not immediately con nected with the common grounds, and he thought these ought to be secured against the operation of this Act. The Earl of LINCOLN opposed the alterations on the ground of the great difficulty that would be occasioned in set tling the rights of the commonalty on the extent of these patches, and he must say the idea was absurd. Mr. STEUART WORTLEY thought that his Noble Friend had taken a very proper course in resisting the proposi tion of the Hon. Member for Finsbury. S r W5l. JOLLIFFE said the Bill would prove more satis factory if the alteration were acceded to. After some further discussion, the alteration was negatived without a division. The clause was then agreed to. On clause 14 being put, Mr. BOUVERIE and Sir WILLIAM JoLteerz urged some objections, which were not however persisted in, and the clause was agreed to. Clauses 15, 16, 17, and 18 were also agreed to. Clauses up to '23 inclusive were then agreed to. On clause 24 being proposed, Lord WORSLEY moved as an amendment that before the word " such," the words" such directions as to the appointment of, and instructions to, a valuer as the Commissioners may deem fit, and also," should be inserted. After a few words from Mr. BOUVERIE, The clause was allowed to stand part of the Bill. On clause 25 being put, Lord WORSLEY moved an amendment, that the clause be struck out, and a clause inserted providing that a meeting be appointed to consider the expediency of the inclosure, by those persons who were interested in the.land, and also making pro vision for the appointment of valuers by the Commissioners. Lord 'LINCOLN said that he thought it impossible to agree to any one of the amendments of his Noble Friend (Lord Worsley) without admitting them all. He must therefore oppose them. After some further discussion the clause was agreed to. - Clause 26 was also agreed to. On the reading of clause 27, Mr. HAWES said ,hat there was a great defect in the clause not giving to the persons most interested a power to say whether the inclosure should take place or not. The 27th clause was agreed to. • On the reading of clause 28, Lord WORSLEY moved that in lines 14 and 15 the words "provisional order" should be omitted, and the words "draft award" be inserted. The Earl of LINCOLN opposed the amendment. On the proposal of the 29th clause, Colonel SIBTHORP moved that it should be omitted. After a short discussion, in which Mr. Charles Buller, Lord Worsley, and Mr. Henley took part, The House divided, when there appeared— For the clause Against it Alajerity for the clause.— -22 Upon the next clause being read, Lord WORSLEY made a few observations; to which The Earl of LINC . .LN said it would be absurd to have no clause compelling parties to comply with the orders of the Corr mis‘ioners in certain cas, s. Lord EBRINGTON said he conceived it would be equally absurd not to limit the power of the Commissioners in some degree, The Earl of LINCOLN said, if the Noble Lord had read the Bid, he would see that there was a clause to that effect. After a few words from Mr. S. CRAWFORD and Lord J. MANNERS, The Earl of LINCOLN said he conceived the suggestion of the Hon. Member for Hertford so useful, that he would adopt it. The clause as amended was then agreed to. Clause 32 WAS also agreed to without discussion, and the Chairman-reported progress, and obtained leave to sit again on Monday next. TURNPIKE TRUSTS' (SOUTH WALES) BILL. This Bill went through Committee, and was ordered to be reported on Tuesday next. POOR-LAW AMENDMENT (SCOTLAND) BILL. The further consideration of this Bill was postponed till Monday. Upon the motion that the House do go into Committee on the Constabulary (Ireland) Bill, Lord CLEMENTS said there was a great defect in the present law, which compelled inhabitants of a peaceable dis trict to pay for constabulary for repressing disturbances in another. A few Orangemen were the cause of serious dis turbances in Leitrim, for which peaceable and well-disposed Catholics and Protestants suffered by taxatioa. Sir T. FREMANTLE said that the observation of the Nobly Lord was not now applicable, but the Government would take it into their serious consideration. When the Consta bulary Bill was brought under the notice of the House, the proposition would be made in accordance with the subject. The Bill went through Committee, and was ordered to be brought up on Monday next. FOREIGN LOTTERIES BILL. This Bill was read a third time and passed. The Small Debts Bill, and the Lunatic Asylums Committee, were postponed until Monday. DEODANDS. • Mr. ,6n d IOUVERIE obtained leave to bring in a Bill to abolish deo The Bill was subsequently read a first time. JOINT-STOCK COMPANIES (IRELAND). Mr. T. B. SMITH obtained leave to bring in a Bill for facilitating the winding up the affairs of joint-stock companies in Ireland, who were unable to meet theit pecuniary arrange ments. The Bill was read a first lime. The other orders of the day were disposed of, and the House adjourned at ten minutes t.) Two o'clock. PARLIAMENTARY BUSINESS. TIULTISDAT. JULY 3. Standing Orders COMITIi nee —Hesolutions reported ; 1. " That. in the .c a se o f the South \Vales Railway peti tion for additional provision, the tanding orders ought not to be dispensed with." 2. "That, in the case of the 3forden College Estate Bill, the star.ding orders ought to. be dispensed with :—That the parties be permitted to pFoCeed with their Bill." Second resolution agreed t0. 7 --Repurt to lie on the table. The Lords' amendments to the following Bills were agreed to :-, Newcastle and Darlington ( Brandling Junction) Railway. Edinburgh and Glasgow Railway. Bridgwater Navigation and Railway. Waterford and Kilkenny Railway. Southampton and Dorchester Railway. NOTICES GIVEN AT THE PRIVATE BILL OFFICE. St. Helen's Railway and Canal,—Third reading, Monday, July 7. Aberdare Railway,—Third reading, Monday, July 7. Epping Ri:llwAy (Group NN.),—Conunittee on Bill, ad journed till Tuesday, July 8, at twelve. PRIVATE BUSINESS FOR FRIDAY, JULY 4. RAILWAYS. REPORTS. Direct London and Portsmcuth. Brighton and Chichester (Portsmouth Extension). Guildford, Chichester, and Portsmouth. THIRD READINGS. Norwich and Brandon Deviation (Diss and Dereham) Branches Railway. Erewasli Valley Railway (No. 2) (amendment to be pro posed). Glasgow Junction Railway. Manchester and Leeds Railway (amendment to be proposed). London and South IVestern (Nu. I) (Metropolitan Exten sion Railway. Irish Great Western Railway (Dublin to Galway) (farther proceeding, by order). LORDS' AMENDMENTS TO BE CONSIDERED. Eastern Union and Bury St, Edmund's Railway. Dundalk and Enniskillen Railway. Glasgow, Paisley, Kilmarnock, and Ayr Railway (CumnoCk Branch). PARLIAIIIENTAity DIVISIONS. (Front the Votes and Proceedings of the house of Comment.) THURSDAY, JULY 3. POOR-LAW AMENDMENT (SCOTLAND) BILL. Order for Committee read; Motion made, and Question proposed, " That Mr. •Speaker do now leave the Chair :"—Amendment pro posed, to leave out from the word " That" to the end of the Question, in order to add the words, " this House will upon this day three months resolve itself into the said Committee," instead thereof:-- Question put, •• That the words proposed to be left out stand part 01 the Question." The House divided : MAJORITY-AYES, 76. Acton, Colonel Fremantle, Sir T. Nichol], John Arbuthnott, - •II. Gaskell, J. M. O'Brien, A. S. Arkwright, George Gladstone, W. E. Oswald, Alexander Ilaillie, Colonel Gordon, Captain Peel, Sir It. Heinle, H. J. Gore, Montague • 'Peel, Jonathan Baird, W'lliam Goulburn, H. Pringle. Alexander Balfour, J. M. Graham, Sir J. - Pusey, Philip Barkly, Henry Greenall, Peter Roebuck, J. A. itentinek, Lord G. Greene, Thomas Scott, Frances Boldero, 11. G. Hampden, Henn Scrope, 0. P. Borthwick, Peter Harcourt, G. G. Sheridan, R. It. Bowles, Admiral Hawes, B. Smith, T. It. C. Cardwell, Edward Herbert, Sidney Smollett, Alexander Chapman, Aaron Hope, Sir John Stuart, Lord J. Clerk, Sir G. Hope, Charles Stuart, Henry Cockburn, Sir G. 'lope, G. W. Sutton, H. M. Colebrooke. Sir T. Howard, E. G. Trench, Sir F. W. Compton, 11. C. Hutt, William Vernon, G. 11. Coote, Sir C. H. Johnstone, Hope Vivian, J. Ennis Corry, henry Kemble, Henry Wakley, Thomas Craig, W. G. Lennox, Lord A. 'Wawn, J. T. Cripps, William Lincoln, Earl Wemyss, Captain Darby, George Loch, James Duncan, Viscount Lockhart, William TELLERS. 1 mndas, ')avid Mackenzie, T. Baring, Henry Einlyn, Viscount 3PSeill, Duncan Mackenzie, W. F Fitzroy, Henry Mastennan, John MINORITY-NOES, 33. Baine, Walter Isannerman, A Ellice, Edward Ellis, IVynn Morrison, James Uawdon, Col. __ Barnard, E. G. Escott, Biekham- Itedington, 'l'. N. Bellew, It. M. Esinonds, Sir T. Sheil, R. L. Bouverie, E. P. Evart, William Somerville, Sir W. Browne, W. Ferguson, Colonel Stewart, P. M. Cobden, Richard Ferguson, Sir It. Walker,,ltichard Collett, John Forster, Matthew Yorke," Henry R. Dalrymple, Captain Itastie, Archibald . . _ Dennistoun, J. Johnson, General TELLERS. Duff, James Layard, Captain Oswald, James Duncan, George Mauls, Fox 31"faggart, Sir J. RAILWAY Comm FITE ES (YESTERDAY.) MOUSE OF LORDS. CALEDONIAN RAILWAY. The Committee met today at eleven o'clock, Lord Radnor in the chair, when the examination of witnesses on behalf of the GLASGOW, DUMFRIES, AND CAZILISLE RAILWAY was resumed. Mr. Miller, civil engineer, was first examined. He stated that in 1839 his attention was first called to railway communication between Glasgow and Carlisle. A general survey was then made of the country for the purpose of a line by Mr. Locke and himself, and the two lines now before the Committee was the result. He was then, as now, decidedly in favour of the one by Dumfries and the valley of the Nish, in preference to that by Bentock. The gradients In the plans and sections of 1839 were far more favour able than they were now, the severest on the Caledonian route being lin i 13. At present the gradient at the Bentock summit was 1 in 75, and nine miles long. He was of opinion that two lines along the coast were much preferable to one through the c. ntre of the country ; and as the coast on one side was supplied by the North British the Caledonian was less re quired, and if the Dumfries line were formed the Caledonian would not be at all necessary. The Dumfries line went through a much richer and more populous district than the other. All the landed proprietors through whose grounds the line passed were in f..vour of the line. The Duke of Buccleuch, through whose grounds the line went fur twenty-seven miles, was a strong supporter of it. The worst gradient was only 1 in 100, and no assistant locomotive engines would be required. Though the Dumfries line was longer from Carlisle to Glasgow than the Caledonian, yet the bad gradients on the latter, and the delay and irregularity at the forks, would give the Dumfries line such decided advantages that in his opinion the traffic would travel in less time and with greater security than on the other. He esti mated the whole cost of the line from Cumnock to Carlisle at 850,0001. The remaining portion of the line, from Cumnock to Kilmarnock, would be 350.0001., snaking a total capital of 1,200,0001. The latter portion of the line would be much heavier in proportion to distance, than the former. The wiiness was cross-exanained at length by Mr. Hope, with the object of showing that the difficulties which he had dsscribed as interfering with speedy travelling on the Caledonian line, were not at all correct; also to show that the Caledonian would afford better accommodation to a larger amount of population and a greater extent of country than the Dumfries line. He was of opinion that, even admitting that the Ca , edonian was formed, the Dumfries line might be made to pay as a local line, as it went through a fine agricultural county. .To the CUAIRMAN—There was a large traffic between Liverpool and Glasgow, and also a considerable amount by Fleetwood and Ardrossan. He was of opinion that nearly all the traffic would go by the railway. Mr. Vignolles, civil engineer, was next examined. He said he knew the country well through the two lines under consideration. In considering lines of railway from the south to Edinburgh and Glasgow, he thought the fork ought to be at Carlisle, so as to ac con.modate the local traffic in the best manner. The routes he would propose would be from Carlisle, by Hawick, to Edinburgh, and by Dumfries to Glasgow. The great advantage of the line to Dumfries was, that besides supplying an important line of country, it would form in connexion with Ireland through a line from the latter town to Portpatrick. Comparing the Caledonian line with that by Dum fries, as a communication with Glasgow, he decidedly preferred the latter, as it supplied Dumfries, Kilmarnock, Ayr, and other im portant towns, besides its termini, whereas the Caledonian line supplied Glasgow alone. Tt.e gradients and elevations of the Caledonian line he considered v(ry objectionable. Cross-examined by Mr. HOPS— He went over the lines in about three days. He travelled in a post-chaise. He was, by such a limited time, only able to take a general survey of the line, and therefore gave an opinion founded on that survey. He did not pretend to give particulars or details. He considered the public could never get the benefit of proper railway accommodation without competition. Suppose the two lines were formed, he did not think there was sufficient to support both, though he thought that the Dumfries line, having a large local traffic, which the other could not have, the Caledonian would be starved. It was then proposed to call Mr. Brunel, the celebrated engineer, but it was intimated that he was under examination before another Committee (Group L), and could not be had till he was at liberty. The traffic tables for the Dumfries line were then proposed to be put in as part of the case, but the Committee decided that as the line was a project they could not receive the tables. Mr. Mann, a clerk of the House of Lords, deposed to the num. ber of petitions that had been received in favour of the Dumfries line. Mr. Brunel, having been sent for, now arrived, and his examine. lion was proceeded with. He supported the views of the previous engineers with respect to the superiority of the line by Dumfries to the Caledonian in respect of gradients and engineering peculiarities. The Dumfries line, though 124 miles in length from Carlisle to Glasgow, could, in his opinion, be traversed as quickly as the 104 miles of the Caledonian. The witness having undergone a brief cross examination, Mr. ANDREWS intimated that this was the case for the Glasgow, Dumfries, and Carlisle Railway. Mr. AUTIN said he appeared for the Edinburgh and Glasgow Railway Company against certain clauses of the Bill; but as his was a serious and important case, and would involve the examina tion of many witnesses, he would suggest, in order to save expense to the parties connected with the two lines under consideration, that the Committee decide the case between them before going into his case. . Their Lordships agreed to the suggestion, and retired to de liberate. In a few minutes :hey returned, when The OsamuA:v said that it was the opinion of the Committee that the preamble of the Caledonian Bill was proved, and that therefore there was no necessity for Mr. Cockburn summing up his case. Mr. ANDREWS was then heard against a portion of the Bill that related to certain quarries belonging to Sir Thomas Dalrymple, for which, as they were to be taken in a great measure for the use of the line, that gentleman clai:ned greater advantages than were offered in the Bill. Evidence was tendered in support of the Learned Gentleman's statement, at the close of which the Committee adjourned. GROUP NN. NORTH WALES RAILWAY. The Committee on this Bill met at eleven o'clock in the Lord Chancellor's Court, Lord Portman in the chair. The other Mem. bers of the Committee were the Earl of Harewood, the Earl of Aylesford, the Earl of Home, and Lord Camoys. Mr. CALVEAT was counsel for the promoters. The only opponent was Mr. Archer, a private gentleman. The preamble of the Bill sets forth that the Company intend to construct a line of Railway from Portdynlaen, in the parish of Edean, to Bangor, in the county of Carnarvon, to be called the North Wales Railway. The only matter for the consideration of the Committee was Nether or no the prayer of the petition, which was ftom Mr. Archer, should be acceded. Mr. Archer was formerly secretary to the Cosunittee, end his petition set forth numerous allegations against the Company; but as these were wholly unsupported by witnessess, Mr. CALTERT prayed that the Committee would not entertain them. The petition also prayed that a new Board of Directors might be constituted. The Noble CHAIRMAN said the petition was quite irregular, and that it was only as a matter of courtesy they at all entertained it. The Bill then passed through Committee, which broke up alter an hour's sitting. HOUSE OF COMMONS. GROUP A. The Committee, consisting of Mr. Lascelles (Chairman), Sir J. Phillips, and Mr. Marshall (Mr. Roche and Mr. 111`(ieschy being still absent) met' at the usual hour this morning, and, after some dis cussion proceeded to the examination of the clauses of the LONDON AND CROYDON RAILWAY ENLARGEMENT HILL. The discussion of which was of no public interest. The clauses of this Bill were agreed to, with some slight alters. tions and additions. Another discussion ensued as to the order in which the remain. ing Bills shouid be taken. The clauses of the TUNBRIDGE AND TUNBRIDGE WELLS LINE were read by the clerk of the Committee, and agreed to without alteration. The Committee then examined and agreed to the clauses of the GREENWICH RAILWAY ENLARGEMENT BILL. The preambles of these Bills were declared to be proved on Wednesday, and an account of the evidence as to their nature was published in our Evening Edition of that day. - The Connoittee - Wercabout - to procetd with the consideration of the Minster and Deal line, when Mr. Austin. who represents the promoters of that line, was found to be absent. Mr. 'Lunar said that he was prepared to go on with the Ads. ford and Hastings line. Mr. HILDYARD said that he had evidence to product which he thought would have the effect of preventing either line ilrom being 'considered at all.—(A laugh.) He (Mr. Hildyard) was not joking, he seriously thought that a letter which he held in his hand would have the effect he had hinted at. It Was a letter from the Admiralty, statiag their determination to prevent any railway from passing the harbour of the port of Rye in the manner proposed by both lines. Mr. TALam . asked if Mr. Hildyard wished to produce a letter from the Admiralty to the promoters of the Headcorn and Rye line Mr. HILUTARD said that he did not appear for any line, but for the Commissioners of the Rothet, and that the letter was directed to Captain Charles Hicks, a member of that Board. The letter was to the effect that the Admiralty would not permit any bridge to be made across the Rothe/ lower than it was crossed by those now existing. Mr. TALBOT said that his clients of the Ashford and Hastings line had received a communication from the Admiralty, desiring them to deposit with them plans and sections, showing the\ pro posed mode of crossing the Bother. The plans and sections -Wad been deposited accordingly. Mr. MERREWETHER said it had not appeared to the Committee that it was proposed to cross the Bother below the bridges. The Committee decided that as it could not be proved under what circumstances this letter had been written they could net re. ceive it in evidence. They could not judge of what statements had been made to the Admiralty, in order to get from them such a letter as this. The Committee then proceeded to the consideration of the ASHFORD AND masTriwas On the part of the promoters of which line Mr. ME a REwETHss ad dressed the Committee at great length. The proposed line commenced at Hastings, and ended at tt o works of the South-Eastern Comp an y, at reL miles. It had only on e t unnel in t was no steeper gra di ent on the !m e ,hundred, and when it occurred it las t ed tee e Ashford.wholwhole of length ieneh. ass T line than one for two „,„d..a.quuter miles. The only other engineering. dila cult). on the line was a curve, with a radius of one mut a quarter mile, at the junction with the South-Eastern Line,,at Ashford. This would cause no danger, as the engines would run very slowly at that point. The station at Rye, which was known to be a very improv cable place, would be so placed as to give the utmost accommodation for the shipment of goods. Rye was a point of communication with several parts of the continent. It was nearly opposite to Dieppe, and is nearer to that place than Brighton. There would be stations at Woodchurch, Winchilsea, Rye, and Hastings, Mr. ALEXANDER then called and examined Mr. Benjamin Thorn, a draper at Ashford, who spoke to the advantages to the trade of that place, which would be derived from such a line as the proposed Ashford and Hastings line. Mr. -Wm. Cock corroborated the evidence of Mr. Thorn. and spoke to the great number of cattle travelling to and from Ashford. Mr. Henry Reed, book-keeper at Messrs. Pickford and Co.'s es tablishment-at Hastings, stated the amount of merchandise annually carried between St.iplehurst and Hastings by Messrs. Picford and Co. and by Messrs. Moor e, who arc extensive carriers at Hastings, to be on an average 15,062 tans, at least a quarter of which would be carried by a railway if there were onethere. _ . The witness was then cross, examined by Mr. Mellor, who re. presented the Hastings and Ashford branch of the Brighton and Lewes Railway. Mr. Burphy, merchant at Hastings, carrying on business between Hastings and London, spoke to the extensive trade between those places, and to the advantage to be derived from the propo se d line. Mr.. coa l proprietor at Ha s ti ngs, James Emery, and several other witnesses corroborated the above evidence, and were cross. examined by Mr. MELI.OR. Fiis evidenc,e was still unfinished when the Speaker was an. nounced to be at prayers, shortly before fowl' o'clock. (IN THE COMMITTEE.) First Clause (Interpretation of words and expressions used in the Act) : —Amendment proposed, at the end of the Clause, to add the words " and the words relief, support, and maintenance, shall be held to include necessary medical aid :"—Question put, " That those words be there inserted." The Committee divided : - MINORITY-AYES, 25. Baine, Walter Ferguson, Sir R. A. Scrope G. P. Blake, M. J. Harcourt, G. G. Stewart, P. 3t. Bouverie, E. P. Hastie, Archibald Stuart, W. V. Dannelly, Lord Henley, J. W. Tower, Christopher Dalrymple, Captain Johnsen, General Warn, John T. Dennistoun, John Kemble, Henry Duff, James Morris; David TELLERS. Duncan, George Palmer, Robert Ellice, Edward Dundas, David Pluiaridge, Captain Collett, John Er - art, William Posey, Philip MAJORITY—NOES, 62. Acton, Colonel Duncan, Viscount Maule, Fox Arbuthnott, 11. Egerton, W. T. .Neeld, Joseph Arkwright, George Emlyn, Viscount Niclioll, John Baillie, Colonel Escott, Bickhain Packe, C. W. Itaillie, 11. J. Fremantle, Sir T. Peel, Sir R. Baird, William French, F. Peel, Jonathan Balfour, J. M. Gaskell, J. 3f. Pringle, Alexander Barkly, 11. Gladstone, W. E. Rous, Captain Baskerville, T. B. Gordon, Captain Scott, Francis Bodkin, W. 11. Gore, Montague Sheridan, IL B. Bolder°, 11. (:. Goulburn, Henry Smith, T. B. C. Bowles, Admiral Graham, Sir J. Smollett, ♦. Broadley, li. hope, Sir John Stuart, Lord J. Brotherton, Joseph !lope, Charles Stuart, Henry Cardwell, Edward Hope, G. W. Sutton, henry Clerk, Sir G. Hutt, William Trench, Sir F. W. Cockburn, Sir G. Johnstone, Hope Vernon, G. 11. Colebrooke, Sir T. Loch, James Wortley, JaMes S. Compton, Y. C. Lockhart, W. Craig, W. G. Mackenzie, T. TELLERS. C ripps, William 31'Neill, Duncan Mackenzie, W. F. Denison, E. B. M'Taggart, Sir J. Lennox, Lord A. Eighteenth Clause (Parochial Board of Managers of the Poor in Burghal l'arishes) :—Amendment proposed, page 8, line 37, to leave out the words " and the Kirk Session of each Parish shall nominate not exceeding four Members of such Kirk Session to be Members of the Parochial Board :—Question put, " That the words proposed to be left out stand part of the Clause." The Committee divided : MAJORITY—AYES, 64. Arkwrlght, George Darby, George M`Neill, Duncan Baillie, Colonel Douglas, Sir C. Masterman, John Raillie, H. J. Duncan, Viscount Milnes, R. M. Haim, W. , Duncan, George Nicholl, John Baird, W. Duncombe, A. Peel, Jonathan Balfour, J. M. Dundas, David Pringle, A. Barkly, Henry Fremantle, Sir T. Rash Leigh, W. Baring, W. B. Gaskcil, J. M. Sandon, Viscount Baskerville, T. B. M. Gordon, Captain Scott, Francis Blackburne, J. I. Goulburn ' Henry Smith, T. B. C. Bodkin, Wm. Henry Graham, Sir J. Smollett, A. Bolder°, H. G. Henley, J. W. Somerset, Lord G. Bowles, Admiral Herbert, Sidney Stuart, Henry Brisco, M. Hope, Sir John nutrient, J. E. Broadley, Henry - Hope, Charles Trench, Sir F. Brotherton, J. Hope, G. W. . Vesey, Thomas Bruce, Lord E. Jermyn, Earl . Wemyss, Captain Cardwell, Edward Johnstone, Hope Wortley, James S. Carew, W. IL P. Lascelles, W. S. Christopher, B. A. Lincoln, Earl Mims. Clerk, Sir George Loch, James Lennox, Lord A. Corry, Henry Lockhart, W. Mackenzie, W. F. Cripps, W. Mackenzie, T. MINORITY-NOES, 30. Bannerman, A. Ewart, William Redington, T. N. Colebrooke, Sir T. Ferguson ' Colonel Scrope, G. P. Craig, W. G. llastie, A. Somerville, Sir W. Crawford, W. S. Horsman. Edward Stewart, P. M. Curteis, H. B. Howick, Viscount Stuart, Lord J. Dahneny, Lord Hutt, W. Stuart, W. T. Dalrymple, Captain M`Taggart, Sir J. Wawn, J. T. Dennistoun, John Morris, David Wrightson, W. B. Duff, James Oswald, James TELLERS. Ellice, Edward Peelle% Captain Bouverie, E. I'. Esirioildt,Sir,.Thm,_ .... ltimlo4,.c.ll949l ,_ ..4a4lc, Fox DARTMOUTH ELECTION. DARTMOUTH, THURSDAY, JULY 3. CLOSE OF THE POLL. The following is the list of the numbers polled from nine till four o'clock, and the ultimate majority in favour of Mr. Mont : Prinsep. Moffat. 9 o'clock ... ... 24 ... 64 2 „ ... ... 91 ... 119 2 „ ... .. 102 .. 122 4 „ ... ... 11l .. 125 Majority for Moffat, 14. THE APOLLO TROOP-SHIP.-PLYMOUTH, JULY 2. ..The brigantine Spartan, from Newfoundland, put in here yes terday, left the 17th of June. Captain Shapcott states that he arrived at St. John's on the 29th of May, and up to the time of his departure heard nothing of the reported loss of the Apollo troop ship. The following. moreover, is an extract from a private letter, dated Quebec, June 12 :—" The Apollo Is not yet arrived, but she is reported to have been seen in the river." FATAL ACCIDENT AT THE MANCHESTER AND LEEDS RAILWAY STATION.—On Thursday afternoon, a man named Josiah Purton, in the service of the Manchester and Leeds Rail way Company, was crushed between the buffers of two luggage waggons, at the Oldham road station, and died within half an how afterwards. He was forty-four years of age, and has left a widow and five children. At the inquest, which was held before Mr. Chapman on Friday, a verdict of " Accidental death" was recorded. —Manchester Guardian." According to accounts from Naples, of the 18th ult., a new eruption of Vesuvius was daily expected. Some Raines had already been seen, and a slight Sow of lava bad taken place in the direction of Naples. MADAME SOYER.—That beautiful monument last year erected to the memory of that lamented artist, the late Madame Soyer, has lately been embellished with a most superb arid extraordinary railing, which for elegance and simplicity is quite unique in that branch of art ; it incloses 48 square feet of ground, and yet there is not a straight line' to be found in it, being composed of four large scrolls or S's, about 11 feet long, and although each scroll must weigh from six to seven hundred weight, it lightly rests upon. two small iron balls, which scarcely occupy a square inch of o stone. At each end they are almost imperceptibly fixed to four splendid - cornucopias, one of which stands at each corne r gracefully pourir.g out flowers splendidly executed _bronze, and in the centre of each - scroli is the name, Emma . Soyer, written in the same style that • artist used to sign h er pamt . - ings ; the only other writing is on the _ monument, and s merely the words " To Her." Allegorically, it appears that the four scrolls or S's are at rest, like her who lays below, whilst the name in the centre , from the manner in which it is placed, appears like her fame, to be rising to immortality.' The cornucopias give us the beautiful idea of rev i v in g amongst flowers ' and they themselves remi n d us o f the shortness of human life, for at the top of the cornucopias they appear in bud, a little loWer is the opening flower', again lower they are in f ull b loo m and ready to drop, whilst some few lying on the ground remind us that all must fade. Upon inquiry we learn that the design of this beautiful piece of workmanship, like the sculpture, is by Mr. Soyer, of the Re form Club, husband of the deceased. The model was cut in• wood by Rogers, our modern Gibbons, who has been ap pointed by Government to execute the• wood carvings in the new Houses of Parliament. The casting, which is as perfect and clean as if it was all bronze, is by Mr. Wilkinson, of the Quadrant, and reflects The greatest credit upon that gentle man. In a niche at the back of the monument, behind otk sheet of plate glass, is the palette and 'brushes of the artist,' the colour remaining on the palette as left by her the morn— ing previous to her death, she being then in perfect health. AN T ondon )ck, at afts of +ening ,ondon )ranch g the pr° - r 0% dal ich m a ce urse' 1 I 1 1 1 5 '2 3 3 P o t e ; i Wed ,dinßt° ss b e ivg istar l e f i l in, 9 ' uP " rrY , Den' , 0 r 0 te' r P a N d on seschee tan eC, ti PP eg of b Br ,tr the rtes°- o take