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THE GOV ERNMEN T INTERMENTS BILL. A public m2eting was held yesterday afternoon, the Freemasons' Tavern, to consider the Governineni Interments Bill. It was generally understood that the meeting had been convened by the undertakers of London who were, opposed to the Bill. On 'Elie motion of Mr. STEVENS, seconded by Mr. C. COCHRANE, it was unanimously agreed that Mr. Mackinnon, M.P., should take the chair. Mr. MACKINNON said as he was a Member of Parliament, and anxious that the Bill should pass— (Loud cheers)—he did not think it would be prudent to take the chair, and therefore, though conscious of the honour they had done him, he would respectfully decline presiding over the meeting. Mr. NICHOLAY, of Ox Cord-street, was then called to the chair, and, in opening the proceedings, said that though he was a friend to sanitary measures, yet he was anxious they should take care that the Legislature should not, under the colour of public benefit, thrust additional abuses upon them. — (Cheers.) It had been said that all who opposed the Bill were undertakers, but he was not an undertaker, nor had any int eres t whatever in the trade, and simply made his appearance at that meeting on public grounds. Many clauses of the Bill were of a very arbitrary na ture, and it had been hinted, with perhaps equal justice, that the originators of the Bill were parsons and jobbers.—(Cheers, and cries of " Oh.") He trusted that no disturbance would take place at the meeting, but that an impartial hearing would be given to every speaker, whatever opinion he might take with respect to the Bill.—(Hear, hear.) Could any measure be considered impartial which overlooked a most important class of the community ? —(Oh, oh.) People might entertain a different opinion, but he looked upon the Bill of the Govern ment as nothing but a huge job.—(Cheers.) Ac cording to it the Government were to have the right of buying up all the grave-yards and cemeteries in London, and to have one universal place of sepulture for the benefit of all classes in the metropolis.— (lien r, bear.) This was interfering in a most un warrantable way with the rights and privileges of a :•or , munity, and he hoped such a measure would not 'er.:eive the public sanction. The Chairman concluded ;3-v reading letters of apology from Lord Dudley Cioutts Stuart, M.P., T. Duncombe, Esq., M.P., and several other persons who bad promised to attend. The following is.a copy of Mr. Duncombe's letter : " 5, Paltce Chambers, St. James's, May 22. • " Sr,—l regret that it will not be in my power to at tend the meeting at the Freemasons' Tavern to-morrow, having previous engagements at the hour for which that meeting is fixed. But as I have for some time past en tertaind very strong objoetions to the Metropolitan In terments Bill, I purpose giving notice, to-morrow or on Friday. of my intention of moving iu Committee the omission of the greatest portion of the Government Bill, and of th e i nsert i on o f new c l auses, which will, in my opinion, render the measure more efficient in its opera tloil'i,iiv4hout being injurious to any party. My amend . ir tats will of course be printed previously with the votes, mid ,I trust will meet with the views of those whom you represent.—l have, &c., " THOS. S. DIINCOMBE. " D. 13. Shaw, Esq., 8:c." Mr. J. COOK EVANS proposed the first resolution • " That this meeting is deeply sensible of the necessity for a general legislative enactment, providing effectual control over the interment of the dead, and preventing the abuses at present connected with intramural sepul ture; but is of opinion that the Iletropoliem Interments Bill now before Parliament is throughout fundamentally objectionable, and wholly fails to secure the object for IN - 'deli it has been professedly introduced." lie said he was in no way interested in the Bill, ex cept as one of the public, and, being one of the public, he thought it his duty to oppose the measure of the Government. It was said that enormous charges were made by undertakers fur the burial of the dead. (Hear.) He was not there to defend them, but no doubt they liked to get as much as they could out of a good job.—(Laughter.) But that was not peculiar to undertakers ; it was equally applicable to paid members, secretaries, and commissioners of public hoards.—(Laud cheers.) The Bill, as the chairman hal observed, was nothing but a Government job.— (Cteers.) There was no more respectable class than the undertakers; and having had the misfor tune to employ them, he would, so far from complaining of them, say that he was much obliged to them for the services they had ren dered. No case had been shown for Go vernment interference in the burial of the dead. --(Hear.) Government might undertake to bury them cheap, but they had much better try to keep them cheap.—(Cheers.) Why, it did not cost more to take a person out of the world than to bring him into it. The fees charged for an accouchement, together with the visits after the delivery, and the powders, pills, and draughts which were supplied to the patient for no earthly purpose, amounted to a large sum, and what reason was there why Government should not pass a legislative enact ment to regulate accouchements ?—(Laughter.) Malt was now much cheaper than it had been, yet the price of beer was not less, and why should Go vernment, on the same principle of interference, not establish a large and gigantic metropolitan brewery? —(Loud clleers.) The Bill involved a system of centralization or bureauocracy which, though it might suit some countries less free than ours, yet was quite unsuited to the spirit and habits of the people.—(Cheers.) No doubt the bishops and persons had taken an important part in framing the Bill, for on looking over the clauses, he found that they had taken good care of theenselyee. The speaker then referred to various parts of the Bill, and expressed a hope that the public feeling against the Bill would be so strongly expressed as to prevent its passing into la'.v.—(Cheers.) Mr. RoGeas, cf St. Anne's parish, briefly seconded the motion, observing that ,with the exception of doing away with intramural interments, he was wholly opposed to the principle of the Bill. Sir Da L ?ICY EVANS said there could be no doubt that this was a question of great practical and personal importance to every individual in the metropoli s , but be would abst a i n f rom enter i ng into the details of the Bill, and confine himself to stating the general view which he took of the measure. He was certainly op posed to the Government becoming a great under taking company, because he thought that local management was preferable to centralization or Go vernment management.—(Hear, hear.) The Go vernment had no right to interfere with private enterprise, but, independently of that, he could not see the propriety of Government undertaking what they proposed by this Bill.—(Hear.) Much abuse had been heaped upon the undertakers, but the clergy for years past bad opposed extramural interments, and that was not !he only instance in which they retarded great measures of improvement, for they had set their face against the education of the people.—(Hear.) The public were determined that intramural interments should henceforth cease, but the present Bill was extremely objectionable, and he should feel it his duty to oppose it in the House of Commons in anything like its present shape. Mr. M kCKINNON, ALP., said the question was one of great diffieulty, and he found it so when he introduced a Bill into Parliament on the sub ject five years ago. He was the chairman of a Parliamentary Committee which was appointed to consider the subject, and he drew up the repo r t of that Committee, which was to the effect that intramural interments should cease altogether in large towns e and p o p u l ous places.—(Cheers.) In conse tine of that report he brought a Bill into the House, in which be proposed that the object should be car ' rie (- out by parishes and unions of parishes, in stead t,f by a system of centralization, which he "thoujeht was extremely objectionable.—(Cheers.) The.t Bill however was thrown out in consequence u itsTnot meeting with the approbation of the various onflicting interests representedb in the House of Com mons. Sir George Gre in the present Bill, he believed was ac3tl%tedsobrryirngbion.nfgest and upright principles, and he should y any opposition to its details should endanger its passage_h throu g h the House.—(Hear, hear, and cheers.) been read a second time and th e principle of l ß .t ill had therefore, adopted by the Legisl a t ure, so that w t as h° details had only now to be consider e d i n Committee. He was afraid if much opposition was offered to the Bill in the House that the Government would, like Pontius Pilate, wash their hands raeof the m a tt er alto mostimportant asiirs gether, and thus a for the sanitary improvement of the metropolis world be delayed to an indefinite period. Tie was told by a well-known professional man that there was a great probability of the cholera visiting this country again, and the dreadful scourge would be aggravated if the Bill were lost.—(Cheers.) Under these circumstances no other course could be adopted than to sanction the principle of the measure, and to allow the clauses to be modified in Commit tee; but the resolution which had been pro posed in effeet stated that the Bill was altogether objectionable. He felt it his duty, there tore, to propose an amendment, that the words from " fundamentally objectionable" to the end of the re solution should be omitted, and the words "objec tionable in some of tLe clauses" be inserted in their place. Mr. C. COCHRANE supported the amendment amidst much disorder and confusion. After a few observations from Mr. CONDOR, the editor ot . the Patriot, who supported the original motion, The ammdment and resolution were then put stria• tim, and the number of hands held up for each were about equal, but The CuarnarAN declared, however, that the amend ment was lost, an announcement which was received Nrith loud cheers, interspersed with hisses. 2lr. J. BELL proposed the next resolution— " Tnat this meeti ng more especially protests against Cie centralising principle of administration contained iu the Bill, whereby;the miniiters of the Crown assume the duties of local government, by appoiAting cQinmiui°ll?"' I , IIV with corporate powers, to purchase and acquire lands, buildings, and other properties; to nominate and appoint numerous paid officers; to grant annuities for life and in perpetuity, and other compensations; to levy compulsory rates on the inhabitants of all the metropolitan parishes —virtuOy, to monopolise the trades connected with sepulture, and in other ways to deprive the inhabitant ratepayers of the metropolis of the right of managing their own affairs, and of controlling their own ex penditure." Mr. JAMES WTLD, M.P., seconded the resolution, and expressed his determination to resist the Govern ment scheme as propounded in the Bill.—(Cheers.) They all agreed, he presumed, in that portion of the Bill which affirmed that all interments in towns should cease ; but at the same time they were unani mous in condemning the machinery by which it was proposed to carry that principle into effect.— (Loud cheers.) Allusion had been made to the repeal of the corn-laws as a proof that Government had a right to interfere with private interests where the good of the public was concerned, but the Legis lature did not prescribe that foreign corn should only come through certain houses.—(Hear, hear.) Nor did it in the case of baths and washhouses assume all control to the Government, for the management of them was confided to local commissioners, who were chosen by the parish.—(Dear, hear.) They. therefore, demanded that the principle of local management which had worked so well in this coun try should be fairly and properly carried out in regard to the burial of the dead.—(Cheers.) It had been said, in justification of the present Bill, that the ptirish authorities had been guilty of laches in the manage ment of parish affairs; but if they had acted badly, the Government Commissioners had acted worse.— (Cheers.) Had, for instance, the Commissioners of Woods and Forests shown such great skill and financial ability in the management of Crown lands as to induce them to trust a body, similarly constituted, with large administrative powers ?—(Hear.) In the management of dock yards also, Government Commissioners had shown their incapacity to control satisfactorily any great public undertaking. He believed Sir George Grey and all her Majesty's Ministers were anxious to deal fairly and properly by the people, but the fact was that the opinion of the country had never been fairly tested on the subject —(Hear)—and it was only by such meetings as this that the Government could be influenced.—(Cheers.) All they demanded was, that the ancient principle of parochial government should be carried into effect in an impartial and fair manner.—(Cheers.) The resolutions were supported by other speakers, and ultimately carried. A petition embodying the two resolutions was then agreed to, and Mr. B. Osborne, M.P., was to be re quested to present it to Parliament. A vote of thanks having been passed to the Chair man, the meeting separated. LAW INTELLIGENCE. COURT OF EXCHEQUER, May 23. (Sittings in Banco.) DIMES v.. LORD COTTENHAM. Mr. MARTIN moved in this case for a rule to show cause why the defendant, who had procured a rule for a special jury, should not be directed t) attend with out delay and strike the special jury, in order that the case may be tried at the last sitting in the present term. The action was brought by Mr. Dimes against the Lord Chancellor for assault and false imprison ment, and the only plea on the record was " not guilty by statute." The question which it was intended to raise by this action lay within a very narrow com pass, and there was no reason to suppose that the trial would occupy any considerable time. The ques tion was, whether the Lord Chancellor, being a large shareholder in the Grand Junction Canal Company, was legally authorised to make an order in a case in which the shareholders in that company were parties, the effect - of which order was to:deprive Mr. Dimes of his liberty. There were affidavits from various me dical men stating that Mr. Dimes's health was rapidly failing under his imprisonment, and the ob ject of the present application was to prevent the delay which must arise if the cause stood over to the sittings after term, as it was well known that there was a considerable arrear of special juries in this court. The LORD CHIEF BARON did not understand that the question, as suggested by the Learned Counsel, could be disposed of at Nisi Prins, although it might be raised there. It would ultimately be determined by the court. Mr. MARTIN said it was intended to raise the ques tion by tendering a bill of exceptions. Mr. Baron ALDEESON—Then it will have to go to a court of error, and there is no chance of its being disposed of by that court at the sittings after the pre sent term. Mr. MARTIN—If the case is set down for trial is its order at the sittings after term there is no proba bility of its trial before December next, from the number of special jury causes standing before it in the paper. The CRIES' BARON—I suppose the order, the vali dity of which you seek to impeach, was made by Lord Cottenham, as the head of the Court of Chan cery only. Mr. lliaanN—Oh, no, my Lord, he heard the mat ter, and determined it upon appeal from the Master of the Rolls. Mr. Baron ALDERSON—Then the matter must have been brought before Lord Cottenham upon appeal by Mr. Dimes himself, and one can scarcely think it lies with him to dispute the jurisdiction he has appealed to upon the ground that the judge was interested. Mr. MARTIN said that the Learned Baron antici pated one of the questions the Court would have to decide after the trial, and no doubt an important question. Mr. Baron ALDERSON—There seems no reason why we should depart from the ordinary course in this case. It is not usual to try special jury cases in term. Mr. MARTIN reminded the Court that the plaintiff was in prison, and, as appeared by the affidavits, in a most precarious state of health, his disease being ag gravated by imprisonment. Baron AIDERSON.—SureIy some arrangemement might be come to by which the plaintiff might be let out of prison pending the trial of this action. Has any application been made to the Lord Chancellor or the Court of Chancery for that purpose? Mr. MARTIN was understood to reply that no such application had been made, but that he should recom mend the adoption of the course suggested to his client. Meanwhile he asked leave to withdraw his application for the present, reserving leave, which the Court granted, to renew the motion, if necessary, on Saturday next. POLICE INTELLIGENCE. driverL ORO namedUGHILTe Robert: was An omnjilibAusi:summoned for having by wilful misconduct damaged the carriage of Sir Frederic Thesiger. The carriage of Sir Frederic Thesiger, an open one, containing Lady Thesiger, was in Cockspur street on Tuesday afternoon, and about to draw up at the door of an engraver's shop, when the omnibus, driven by the defendant, run into the carriage and did damage to the extent of Si. Witnesses were called to substantiate the complaint against the defendant, who deposed that the carriage was - going at a very mo• derate and the omnibus at a rapid pace. The coach man made the usual signal to the omnibus driver, which was either not seen or disregarded, consequently the collision occurred. Lady Thesiger was examined, and stated that, being in an open carriage she had a complete view of the occurrence. She saw her coachman, who was driving at a very steady pace, about to cross over to Strongi'th'arm's shop, in Cockspur-street. She saw the omnibus coming along very fast, and her impres sion at the moment was that the omnibus would run into the carriage. In an instant afterwards she found the pole of the omnibus across her chest, and the head of one of the horses in her lap. It was a miracle she escaped serious injury. She said to the defendant " You were determined to do this," but made no other observation to him. She did not notice whether her coachman made a signal to the defendant. The defence was, first—that the omnibus was going contrary, hill at a moder a t e p ace , an d th e carriage, on the proce e di ng a t a s h arp pace. Th e d e fe n dant was on his right side of the way, and the carriage was crossing over to its wrong side, and the coachman not to prevent having made the usual signal it was impossible to avoid collision The defendant, however, did his best !Ilia . "'el; and in his exertions the pole of their evidence w r as e the omnibus was e called h. to establish these points, but broken. Witness es e which they gradually e ffected remarkable for the change which the vehicles wore r e ected in the relative paces at eoceeding. It was stated by the witnesses for themy complainant that the carriage was going about five . miles an hour, and the omnibus at least nine miles an hour. The defendant's witnesses, ho wever contrived to and h the last wit omnibus abouttht reverse the position of th e ve hi cls ness, a baker, declared th a t i t w: s was going about five miles, and thet whencarriagee nine miles. It was also contended thatperson driving wished to cross over to his wr ong s a side, not enough to make a signal to that effect to ca' it carriages on their right side, but that instead of making such a signal, it was the driver's duty to drive on until he found an opportunity of turning round, and driving with the stream of carriages on the side he wished to set down. . Mr. BINGHAM said, there were two points in this case which required consideration-4 point of law and a point of faot. The point of law concerned the rule of road, and the law with respect to vehicles about to cross over the road to their wrong side. The question of fact bad relation to the circumstances in which each carriage was placed, and whether the omnibus driver, having really see n the coachman's signal, could have attend e d to it, but redused to do so because be bad more weight of metal with ilim. He 111 SUN, the Awm" aen put lef the. Right Hon. Gentleman Manceeeter on Ttiureelay lair, I am nOt 9"ra , - sa tiii Noble Lard the Fret Mtuister ha s Y e l e ble rr i riiv expetined to the House the weft' ho e( and somewhat equivocal colouring w hich c hial. ,# het reply to the interrogatories put in a o re hear.) I take it for granted. I inlagrlote rs Member of this House, and no man. °' country who supposes for a moment tht w t re ef the Greek &aims form anything else ° for go° (Hear, hear.) Nobody in a sane (flie d ese ooo ll3fl suppose that the powerful areeittneo l ° n f f the 11 ,1 was brought suddenly into the waters of t'") ranean to advocate the somewhat Joie. - „ j oie (° t) cious claims of Pacifico. There wa s of coma spi -it is not stated-for this detnonstrstiensleees appears in some of the diplomatic doen e te it ',°, with these transactions that have tronsP4e country, some intimation of what that e au o 'i l eoli ° 404 It seems to have been necessary in t e b e ° „j ( f ba r Majesty's Government that there su" la nd ue' great demonstraion of the power of Etortt r ' in the Mediterranean Sea. 'There or P r ' a dependency of England-in a state unu! d osl, t ; tion-a Greek state. Now, I have °b of A be one party of the unanimous oupporters " r 0 o f Ministers opposite-unanimous as supe e o f the ministration, though opposers of a sectione ove nistration-there is one class of Gect iete , b tb: e who take every opportunity of proving ta If ' fl7 tary of State for the Colonies is so 001;01)0 tent and headstrong Minister, to quot e t itte ee e, (Hear, hear.) There is another sectiefeto Yl; tlemen who a r e u n a nimous in sup Po rt ° et te d tration, who take it into their heads shy% o f D.!, another Secretary of State-the So:00;100 i t Foreign Aff a i rs . He is a very rival ° A t hat te nister, they say. Now, it so Wlo°l go od 0 these two Secretaries cf State --the ss ' e ea° i s erst i : o tbo ob tho pernicious effects of whoee teinP always been led to believe and holie bter yi l t i fet e never agreed upon any subject-411°A i ot ,t to petted that last year they were o bligee cor disi 3 the same quarter of the glebe, an d , b e l st jie operate with each other. Tte women' , steu the Secretary of State for the•Coloniee W A- Oh l " O Ile lonia, and afterwards was co-opera cretary of State for Foreign Affairs in •u' es d tvi ot e something would occur of which the and b be so speedy as th e H ouse wou ld desirel d e tel doubt when we examine the questioe , , e l te L a b ,, B ll the discussion which may occur, Ire each°" otorh'ea cover that these two stars, crossieg c ei , same teoueut- ( Laughter ) --have Pr°';toreArs' b d estrous effects or consequencei'whick ` hi r ...-( 11 ;a e be so disastrous as we tear they il e - r e t fot il d i de l f 4 : ; t The Noble Lord tbe Member for against giving an opinion on this sehiectbste are before us. The Noble Lord Inig k lit ocuse . , / that the papers are in possession oft ', l . e est e 11 ,l0i say they are in my possession, for es par ceived them-they came too late. Th ee e e l the roo," Noble Lord's dispatches--too late far laugh.) If the Noble Lord had onlY h e 'v• eOV 4 O should have had our papers as soon se t '.' t e b 0 0 , 1 °,0 bly had theirs he would have listened ilea 0 0 1 0 tiva to that masterly exposition w hi t, aoct, rpe jos i say cannot be answered without its which documents the Noble Lord opPe s 01 ,01 : 3 01'1 upon the table. Without having ~t he l le sell ee l 011 )1 having read these documents, I have "" f ly fr e ti t er, are some singular omissions in the 010°40-s, 31 - I Ni which we have heard so much. Th e " -r i p 11 1010 Canterbury has touched particularil eesr.,) Throughout that singular expositionolo,ll.7;q allusion to the contention of No ble April •--( 14° ` - fo ° i/ could have supposed that while the , j o g ° o b's tering into all these details about the ' 3° ' 11 1° Idir ate. Au. r rate diplomatist and of a fOurtheraw 01 b oo- 09 French Minister of England and the " I ber Republic were negotiating ( leer , "001 ject in the capital of Great Britine.-ek (I I' tor doubt it was a sore grievance to th e .‘ d re e i t c l ° r eP f / it should have permitted its Ainh., o sr ig ter %olio ' negotiations with the Foreign e-un't-ieslOolt,4", on the subject, and then to God, th at ie 41 f 1 ;i great personages solving the knot, enbepstl;te,6 that demonstration of good feeling on thet 0 1 1 1 and the powerful energies employed, L, ecg u i eljo in a squabble in a remote corner of t";e10 0 ' on by obscure and subordinate in cl ` l ei l e 4 0 , hear.) There are other points for s e ij it upon which I listened in vain throve exposition of the Noble Lord. P h :del 1f 6 .,Y make the slightest allusion to the Po'"e ° l pee' A t ett'' in with respect to Russia? I did not n - et io Two Lord to enter into the details of dif ° ' -- et 1 "0 - 0„ ; 0 ,4 ties, or to give us an authentic ref' °ll at 1 1 ° ho' r tentiary of all the Russia, was ne t b l e b / 16 ALIO considering that,- even in this bookersfrate !.; el s e ( 01 had an opportunity of reading, ter utitieVel patches from the Russian Minis ' ter -- c % - e eceo'bo i t) all these transactions with respect to - vi r e tl ec i t i l a party which had a deep interest, it , ne _ Ab Oi e more satisfactory, I think, if the a nd remembered the existence of Bussie,elle-treBt6 tours us that not only had he a prospect ei 4,r good understanding with France, hOt,agerSiesijro understanding with Russia was not eo; s es;110!:,P' hear.) But not one word was said 00 obese • 0 0c ;Stfl the convention of April, a most in3 Pl: °lll , b ,, e o e( / case-not the slightest intimation as by these transactions on the dig" of Secretary ear, hear.) The masterly tar" l / ° , s , doe° h ;,i o o br i have withheld from us t7 th which he rested his statement • but ''',"e ° t '"; welle the papers, I think there is 'third P le d tO5 have been noticed-I mean tahatcontle°;oo,lo,l about which we have heard so much. n e e! , 61 0 0 7 atisractory if the Noble Lord could hi , ioeu oir/ 1 elements of future discord were th6 „7 o lo ° !evVe t question, and that hereafter, howeve r the stlioo; f ei ;lie Government of Great Britain on A ttO ever great the difficulty of contendlogh.t 0;0' fi the other powers with resnect to it-%art 3 i ° ,io, had at least been settled. 'But not on e - n eer' r e f, these three-in my opinion imp ort fallen from the Ministry. I say the the fer,,• eto9 cannot make any difference betweenrebot"f s 1 , 0 0 1; tary and the Ministry.-(Hear.) ran-ese°,-ervvoil habit into which we have got in this r d lts the chiet of a department instead of _ k „, - 0• woo,' e: (Hear.) I make no distinction betr.,Wsito" anything fells from me that seems t ° 0 0 %10, can only say it must be unintentiono ' t tii o oo o o , blunder, the chief criminal is the O r b% fel/L* 4° A laugh.) He is the chief, and let hi ° , re r "P i (Hear, hear.) The Foreign S e cretal e erY' o st 0 4, a subordinate osition What . 1 1 1,0 0 ior allusion has been Made to th e B O° 04 I have alluded to. If, after vi , l - 0 0 0 1 - pel at er 4 ming-if, after . withholdin th e es' o l3 - . f ° 4;11) which he rests his case, g the 0 ° c v e te e d' the imortant points of the ctlaw-,iv,,0, it to then lightest issue, let us see bow mi l rof masterly exposition will be to the c° o f °ll e eli f of ,/ to the narrowed issue as to the calt - t herte„'eitoti; standing with France arising 11'0 0 : ; be t i t jel; c l l/ , It appears, that in consequence of • c it 6 3 .0 0 0 ' 0 01 fleet at Athens, the French Rel 3llb " - k if: ill 13 I; ' mediating in the affeir. We must e p e s tee,,,, e „; ll , France is by treaty particularly ioterdisw'ref/.6 tions affecting Greece. It offered,lnetgo,,° of' s f ry Noble Lord studiously avoided, as t' e b ° 81 ) T i oo 41 ,P vernment, mediation or arbitration o n t reo ,o o lo t; To do him justice, I admit that hi°, e t t l7 o f e f.A or : o 6 point-so far as I can form an oPl e "„, - her, „or ments laid before the French GP fl- aref ° 'a ll iroO f mi' l equivocal.-(Hear.) The French Go v t - tlieAile / be deceived, for, from the first ino lnel , l o2 - 'd collected from the language, tone , 7 re ei°l4 l f 0 , the Noble Lord, that he was el; O li o lei • that they should interfere at all /thereat ° OO (Laughter.) The Noble Lord toll.„t l a , no mediation-for no arbitration--v;ociown6 consent to the Republic of France e ; klej;0 0, '01: 0 1 called " good offices."-(Hear, hear•/„. 0 00 t " - o rtl , 6 1 any process in diplomacy more dant e lti_ s c e e ev;plei it is consenting that a third po wer oPe t be offices, for having no authority un d u e :oo ofri Ca e ' it incurs no responsibility.--Ole ar ' R 'elit i°ll e o case were both parties look to a tercel - Our, bvie, understanding, a n d w h ere a quietly formed by which rew - t one may • eesee eea think wo ought never to consent toiltcii with the fulfilment of what we pie r t ioo under no circumstances, except ttl e deleC le ia recollect an instance in which In d disP:et. end in disappointment or very Oftt; e ver ;00 1 0 . hear.) But one thing is clear-en,- to icy" Government was in the beet:mi n ' iielt l t,P io i mediation' of France - howe er t e '' ° e" on the part of the Gover n°:/en eSe r ,, ci t ° evi ° o 'l , it-France having been admitted t° .os 0 , 0 ",. offices, our Minister ought t ° b r:cted and sincerely. However inePe r ' - o ril le `iereAl which the Republic had prepared f°l' ' 0 6°. fer mon object, it was not for her Maie etY tto oll throw difficulties in the war, or to c °l39 -Ili ci ` f ar 11 kli t ) to prevent a satisfactory c.enclusion"Tht 0 it 00 Government do so or not? Did:" Feene - ideil °;,+ sere, and frank manner towards tu e fie c " t te r '',.‘t (Hear.) Thet is the queition to, he els jots,: those Hon. Members who received i ho se e icl o ti went with such ready cheers, and /: oe e e e bl to prevent discussion on the suleje c m.' o , tee,. et t le fore us on this point without analYelorsill 1y fittl In a passage which almost ncei c t o rsea ° r e in . 0 0 1 ,4 on, I find a dispatch from Lord..°' in 0 8 14 ,.00 0f reign Secretary, dated the 9tb Dasieby th e e scribing the effect produced in Putt e e re fer°, lo eil'et, settlement of the Greek question, t ' o_eo th e e e l o i o ef e i f fi teA cation with General Lahit',e, and graph: - " That in case of any differ t o th ee diegl i tween Mr. Wyse and Baron Gros ▪ I le Pr °e ee!rorr posed to the Greek Governmen t, u ° ' wale ee ) pe en not be recommeeced till further ,r,e vr re f ft , instructions te Leaden and Pari ° ' e e3ti ei c ire d° e 0 were r'jeeted by Gretce, and coe r reG .eif e hv go ,2 1` 4 steeled, although Mr. Wyse h od A e rrtio n e,' .l o ll ,Ve instructions from Loeden. Lore e t e• res i n' state that he eid nit huller, that cleFratle° is f have preffe , ed the goed offices o f nave;ce 1 n h a aye believed teet the di:.tpute ted in the why it hal b'e , "' D art c'bros ire g,lof c.mcl .• • u:Avo a: to the merits of t , " - e y r ee ,0 3 ,4 01, i n 11.• You may split hai;s and exPl'' „oh •e• I " etnif ask you, do you think when the FL- err 4b° s' cony on seat here to draw up a c°.." -- I hi Ow tiled ° re ° ' the affairs of Greece, 'that ne cell id be se o o cL)ry; sible circumstances, that th , y so)u,, ol oo o ,',o o ,:jero , and not at London?--(Heer.) " ` o tpin' oo o ol gie l j deuce mty be susceptible of nesnY; be 0 0 00 one qearter and another the error _7 0 ;• 10 0, 1 , 0 I do not say that the House is our " go o °f few t of fpinhiuomn human hat point; nature - e0 01 ; 1 1 0 t h ti l vi t eo o l , , ask, does any ono believe that h t ° li r e ; to sr o t b o e l as e rented to send their ambassador we re e of Greece if they had thought t he Y. bilir.) Athens and not at r.dondon?-41"" LONDON, FRIDAY EVENING, MAY 24, 1850. would consider these points, and give an early deci sion on them. OUTRAGE AND ROBBERY. The Huddersfield Chronicle says—" We regret to have to state that a circumstance occurred in this town on Thursday, calculated to throw the family of a respectable inhabitant into the deepest degree of distress. From what we can learn, a re spectable merchant of this town, whose name we withhold under the painful circumstances, has for some years had to lament a derangement of mind in one of his daughters, who was for a con siderable period the inmate of an asylum. Latterly, however, signs of amendment in her mental organiza tion had manifested themselves, and she has been consequently kept at home, and suffered occasionally to walk abroad in the neighbourhood of her father's residence. Oa Thursday -afternoon, a little before three o'clock, she left home for that purpose, taking with her a child four years old. She in the first instance called at the house of some female rela tives, but these being out she extended her walk, and by some means or other she came into contact with a navvy,' who gives the name of John Ormrod, and who represents himself as coming from Holmes Chapel, in Lancashire. It would seem that the fellow was a perfect stranger to the young lady. Tbey were observed to proceed down Greenhead lane together, having first called at the Bee Hive beer-house, at the top of West Parade, where the fellow called for a pint of beer, and inquired, Have you a side room ?' Being informed in the negative, the beer was partaken of by both out of the pint pot, and they then went away together in the direction above indicated. While in this house the female was not heard to speak but once, and that only faintly and inaudibly; but on their departure, the inmates (to whom the young lady was unknown) remarked op the strangeness of so fine a dressed lady being in the company of so shabby a fellow. On reaching the end of Gledholt-lane, a secluded spot, the ruffian enticed the young female into a small wood, at the bottom of Gledholt-bank, and there accomplished his purpose. During the whole time the little child was with them, and while in the wood its cries attracted the attention of a passer-by. This person also saw Ormrod subsequently take a gold watch and chain from the female, stripping them from her neck, and putting the chain round his own. He then put his hand in her pocket and took some thing out. All this, however, was done without any resistance being offered ; and as the parties proceeded to leave the ground in company, the watcher, while much surprised at these shameless proceedings, came to the conclusion that the female was a frail mortal, and that the parties knew each other. As they came on to the road they were also seen by a constable, who spoke to Ormrod, and asked about the gold chain hanging over his waistcoat front. Not know ing the transaction, the officer did not then take the fellow into custody. Both proceeded onwards as far as the Crown Tavern, in this town, when Ormrod left her, and the young lady turned up the New North-road. The constable, who had followed them to the town, then went up to the female and accosted her, and asked her where her gold watch was, land was informed, in reply, that the man had taken it to mend, but that he (the officer) was not to tell her father. The constable then made no further inquiry, but went home to prepare for his night duty. On the return home of the poor creature it was soon seen, from her appearance, that something unusual had happened. She was, however, silent to all inquiries, or gave answers of which nothing could be made. It was clear, however, that her valuables were gone, and about seven in the evening, information of such facts as could be hastily collected together were communicated to the Huddersfield police., and in less than half an hour the villain was in custody. Before he was apprehended, Mr. Thomas, the superintendent of police, had obtained posses. sion of the gold watch and chain, which had been sold to Mr. Hadfield, a pawnbroker, in Castlegate, for 11. lOs. The two, when new, cost 261. It is only right to say that the pawnbroker states that he believed they were not gold, and the appear ance of the watch, without glass, and with scratched face and ordinary-looking hands, would favour such a supposition. From the pawnbroker Ormrod had purchased a suit of fustian clothing—a portion of his other dress being blue woollen. On his person, when apprehended, which took place in the old Post-office-yard, in a few minutes afterward!, were found a purse, which belonged to the poor un fortunate female, and also her handkerchief. In the purse were 19i. in money. In the course of Friday morning the ruffian brutally boasted of what he had done, and averred that it was only a bit of courting.' " RAILWAY SHARE MARKETS. BRISTOL, Mar 23. STOCK ExCHAXGIt.—The market still continues in the same state. and the only variation we have to notice to-day is Great Western, Quarters, which closed at 13 3 A. LIVERPOOL. MAY 21. Szocx EXCHANCos.—Prices were improved to-day, but the amount of business done WRS very limited. The transactions were as follow: London and North-Western, 103— Ditto, New Quarters, 36—Lancashire and Yorkshire, Consul. Fifths, 9 3 4 ( West Riding Union), Si. Gs. Rd.— Midland, 34 , 4 c.— Ditto, Halves, 27/. lb. dis.—North Staffurdshire, 10!„1 c. dig.—Great Southern and Western, 31%. BIRMINGHAM, MAY 23. STOCK EXCHANOE.—Our share market. taking its tone, as it generally does, from the London Exchange, was inani mate to-day, bat prices generally were maintained. There is Lttle probability of much business being done in the Bir mingham and Oxford Junction and the Birmingham, Wol verhampton, and Dudley lines until the directors of the Great Western have more clearly defined the course they intend to adopt after having obtained their 3,500,0001. Great interest is attached to this matter in these districts, and the intention of the directors looked for as of great importance. Their de cision, if able to carry it out, will materially affect the prices of shares in the Stour Valley and other local lines of railway. YORK, MAY 22. STOCK EXCHANGE.—The transactions to-day were as fol low:—Great Northern, 6 3 4—North British, 7'%—York, Newcastle, and Berwick (Newcastle Ext ens i on ), hq,—York and North Midland, 16 1 ,4. GLASGOW, MAT 22. Srocic ExcnAwoz.—The transactions to-day were as fol low :—Dunbliine, Doune, and Callandar, 20s.—Scottish Central, 131 A. BUILDINGS OF THE NATIVES OF SIBERIA. - lii those waste regions, the convict colonies of Russia, the snowy wildernesses of Siberia, man, under the paternal sway of the Christian Czar, is as degraded and debased as under the des potism of Whang tee Fou, or any other imperial savage that ever sat on his proper seat, a throne. The Bashkirs that dwell in the wild deserts south of Yehaterinburgh, in Siberia, live half the year in portable tents, which they bear about from place to place, and during the other half inhabit small snug wooden huts. There is nothing peculiar in their construction. They are just such structures as might be sup posed to be erected by instinct, by men having plenty of timber at hand, in want of houses, and with ou t k now l e d ge o f the rules of art, even in its simplest rudiments. The Sosno vian yurts are square in shape, and built of heavy logs planed and laid one upon the other, with others from wall to wall forming the roof. Against each wall large quan titi es of earth are piled. The entrance is always on the south side, and only half the height of a man. Facing the east is a small square opening left between the log s f or a w i n d ow, and closed by a bl oc k o f ice a foot thick, propped from without by a pole thrust into the ground. A supply of such h ea vy flakes of ice li es b e f ore each habitation. The fire on the earth thaws the interior surface of the ice-wind ow , ren d er i ng it as smo o th as a m i rror. The outside is rough, yet a light, whiter and clearer, penetrates through this window, than those glazed by fish or dried fish-skins, which are commonly used. When one block is melted another supplies its place. As we pen e t ra t e s t ill deeper in the interior of these remote and little known countries, we find the people dwelling in moveable habitations, composed of a tall peaked frame of wood, covered with layers of reindeer skins, laid in the manner of slates or tiles, with the edge of one overlapping the other, and so on, from the top to the ground. At the bottom the snow i s th rown up and beaten hard all round this singular dwelling, while, at the summit, a small opening is left for the exit of smoke. The Yakuts inhabit one descrip tion of houses in winter, and another totally distinct in sum mer. The dwellings for the cold season are low clumsy huts, plastered thickly with cow. dung and earth. The doors are heavily curtained with coarse hairy hides, and the win tows glazed with ice. The whole, covered with snow, is suffi ciently warm and comfortable. The summer habitations are composed of lofty conical frames, formed of slight poles, 20 feet high, woven together with broad bands of a beautiful shining yellow bark, which is perfectly flexible. Each strip of this singular and useful material is sown to the next with a strong horsehair thread. Seen from a distance these dwel lings appear like tall yellow bee-hives, embroidered in varie gated lines. There are innumerable little variations in the structure of the dwellings among these wild and strange tribes of men, but they are generally alike in the main pecu liarities.—Builder. e l n t contract, ertryaeestt,fdoary by Messrs. 50, Ooogs. Lem o n , al lons o f rum 11Y:11 vas ta MILE TU NNEL THROUGH THE ALPS. Hart, fhoThe E r andts Gove r nm e nt SEVEN-MILE TI u . The following details are gathered from Dr. Granville'e paper, as promised. To give at once some id ea o f the boldness o f Chev. Mons' undertaking, we may, in the first place, state that in its progress the tunnel must pass under some of the most elevated crests of Mont Cenis—one, in particular, where there will be 4,850 feet of mountain, capped with eternal glacier's, over head, at the middle of the tunnel, eo that not only wi.tl the workmen and machinery in construction, and the passe sugers and trains in transit, be buried to that depth in the he. art of the mountain, but all idea of shafts, either to facilitate excavation, or to promote ventilation, must be out of the question. The breath of life itself must be respired from either extremity, with artificial aid, in shape of cur rents of fresh air transmitted, and of foul air withdrawn, by mechanicsd apparatus ever at work, at least during excava tion, whicis is also itself to be effected by machinery of a new and simple nature, worked by water power of mountain streams whereby the trains are also to be run through the tunnel, which ascends, from the northern or Savoy side, at Modane, all the way to its exit at Bardonneche, with a gra dient equal to 19 in 1,000. The machine, once presented to the rock, pr ojects into it simultaneously four horizontal series of sixteen scalpels, working backwards and forwards, by means of a: )rings cased in, and put in motion by the same water powl :r. While these are at work, one vertical series on each aid e works simultaneously up and down, so that to gether the) - cut out four blocks, or rather insulate four blocks on all side, , except on the rock behind, from which they are afterwards detached by hand. It has been already ascer tained that each of the two machines, at the opposite ends of litlnhielflotuburenyniee3l2,fre;t The wide iliexca b v y ate to the extent of 22 feet a day, and it is estimated that the wh o l e excavat i on w ill b e com pl e t e d gallery fee t t to i b g e h, and perforated thso b n y c e the cut machines through, the bore wi'd be enlarged by ordinary means to 25 feet in T w h id e th est a i n m d r 1 1 te 9 d fe c e o t st in of h t e h ig is ht, gr a e n a d t a t u d n o n u e b l l i e s l o in n e ly o l f 3 7 8 i 04 15 ,9 1 4 a 2 id f. . (552,1971; ) It is to be immediately commenced at the north P I atuce,e-Bui/der. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF COMMONS, May 23. The SPEAKER took the Chair at Four o'clock. CHESTER AND HOLYHEAD RAILWAY BILL This Bill was set down for a third reading this day, but Mr. T. EGERTON moved that the third reading be postponed until Monday next, in order to give the House an opportunity of considering a clause in the Bill which had been unanimously agreed to by one of its own Com mittees, Mr. MANGLES opposed the postponement of the third reading on the ground that the application was un reasonable and irregular. The ATTORNEY -GENERAL supported the motion for postponement, thinking it was but fair that the House should have an opportunity, of considering the clause in question, which opportunity they would not have if the Bill passed the third reading at once. He must say the hasty way in which the third reading was sought to be carried through the House was discreditable to the London and North-Western Railway Company, and savoured very much of sharp practiee, the promoters having given notice of the third reading one minute before six o'clock, the hour when the Private Bill Office closed, on the day of the adjournment of the House. After some further discussion in which Mr. A. Dun combo, Mr. Wilson Patten, and Mr. Glyn took part, Mr. MANGLES withdrew his opposition, and the motion for postponing the third reading until Monday next was agreed to. PRIVATE BILLS. The following private Billi were read 'a third time and passed:— South Yorkshire, Doncaster, and Goole Railway (Amendment of Acts, Deviation at Doncaster. &c.) South Yorkshire, Doncaster, and Goole Railway (Amendment (Acts, Deviation to Worsborough, &c.) The following private Bills, as amended, were con sidered:— Dumfries and Alaxwelltown Waterworks. Gorbals Gravitation Water Company. Newcastle•upon-Tyne Improvement, Amendment o Acts, and New Streets. New North Road. Swansea Municipal Corporation. ne Navigation. PETITIONS. Several petitions were presented against Sunday labour in the Post-office. Mr. G. DUNCAN presented a petition from a place in the Isle of Arran against the Marriage Affinity Bill. Mr. *NEILL presented a petition from Inverary to the same effect. Mr. ELLIOT presented a petition from factory ope ratives in Ped3les against the Ten Hours Bill. Colonel THOMPSON presented a petition from Bradford in favour of the Bill for secular education. Mr. MITCHELL presented a petition from the Bloomsbury Savings Bank against the Savings Bank Bill. Sir J. TItOLLOPE presented a petition from Lincoln in favour of protection to agriculture. Lord NAAS presented a petition from Queen's county in Ireland against the national system of edu cation in Ireland. Mr. BOUVERIE presented a petition from Kilmar nock against tho Marriage Bill. Mr. GROGAN presented a similar petition from Dublin. Mr. HUDSON presented a petition from the Mayor and Corporation of Sunderland against any alteration in the present system of revising the burgess list. COMMISSIONS OF INQUIRY. Colonel SIBTHORP gave notice that to-morrow hr should move for a report of the number of commission: of inquiry issued since the year 1830, together with the expense of each. MILITARY KNIGHTS OF WINDSOR. Colonel SALWEY gave notice that on going into Com mittee of Supply, he should move that the sum to be voted for the maintenance of the Millitary Knights of Windsor be refused. RECALL OF THE FRENCH AMBASSADOR. On the motion for going into Committee of Supply, Lord PALMERSTON rose, and said he felt, in COB sequence of what had passed on a former occasion in that House, with regard especially to an answer which he had felt it his duty to make to a question put to him by his Right Honourable Friend the Member for Manchester, it was due to himself and the House to make some explanation.—(Cheers.) His Righ: Hon. Friend on Thursday last asked him, if he rightly remembered his question, whether there was a perfectly good understanding then existing between the Government of France and her Majesty's Goverment in regard to the affairs of Greece.—(Hear, hear.) He stated, as far as he could recollect, that the French Ambassador had left London the day before—that he had been charged by her Majesty's Government with expla nations to the French Government—that the chief ob ject of his going was to give the explanation himself in person, and that he also hoped nothing would arise out of the matter to disturb the friendly relations which existed between the two Governments.—(Hear, hear.) Now about that time there was read in the French Chamber, by General Lahitte, a letter recalling —no, that was not the proper term to apply to it— ordering the French Ambassador's return.—(Hear, hear.) It was thought by many persons, in and out of the House. 'hat there was some inconsistency between that letter and his answer, with regard to the transaction itself— it was thought, indeed, that he was endeavouring tc suppress something that the House and the public had a right to expect from him.—(Loud cries of " Hear, hear.") Now what passed in regard to the circumstances was this: A difference of opinion had arisen between the Government of France and the Go vernment of her Majesty as to the affairs of Greece, and the previous few days' proceedings which her Majesty's Government had taken in relation to that dis pute—in fact, the difference of opinion arose out of the manner in which the affair had been terminated be tween England and Greece.—(Hear, hear.) On the Saturday previous to this was the first opportunity he had had of receiving the dispatch from Greece and com municating it to the French Ambassador. On the Monday morning the French Ambassador came to him for the purpose of entering into a discussion of the dispatch, but, in consequence of his being summoned that day to give evidence before a Committee of the House, he requested him to come the next morning.— ( Hear, hear.) The French Ambassador did come the next morning, on the Tuesday, and they went at Brea' length into the dispatch which had been received from Athens, which was read to him, and he explained to the French Ambassador the views of her Majesty's Government on the subject, and told him that her Majesty's Government did not think the course they had adopted ought justly to give any ground of offence to France.—(Hear, hear.) The conversation was long, and the French Ambassador left him at rather a late hour, stating that he would return the next day. At twelve o'clock on the Wednesday he accordingly came again, and in the course of the con versation which then ensued the French Ambassador read the letter which he had just received from General De Lahitte.—(Cries of " Hear, hear.") That letter expressed the conditions on which the French Ambassador was to return to France. The French Am bassador said " to-morrow the papers will be presented to the Assembly, and to-morrow there may be a discus sion in that Assembly, and it is my duty to be at Paris before the Chambers meet in ' order to afford any explanations they might wish to hear from him." He (Lord Palmerston) said he concurred in the cours e the French Ambassador meant to pursue. Th e nex t morn ing he (Lord Palmerston) begged M. Drouyn d e l'Huys would communicate t o his Government the substance of the explanations he had given him, and he furnished that gentleman with certain of Mr. Wyse's dispatches to lay before his Government, having previously marked certain passages which he deemed important. So stood things on the Thursday, House. whe In h nhe (Lordse first Palm place,ersto Palmerston) w as questioned in thi s he could not have ex• petted in the ordinary course of things that the letter of General Lahitte would be read to the. Assembly— (Cheers) even before the Assembly was in pos session of the documents connected with the trans actions to which his letter related. It certainly never entered into his (Lord Palmerston's) mind, that such a course of proceeding would be in any case adopted ; but he was also justified in thinking that the explanations he had furnished would, iftheydid felt, at all events tend greatly to modify not remov e any dissatisfaction the Fr enc h Government their feelings and lead to fresh explanations. Now, at the very moment, he (Lord Palmerston) was giving his answer, the French Minister must have been assigning to the French Assembly reasons for the return of M. Foreign Drouyn de I'Huys. Now, he would ask any man in that House who had any lust appreciation of the eienni i nterests sgteur iyi oftn of that a t House, et , s e an t d whether o f indiscretion he p h position s i s t i h o iof n u ol hed not have f a Fei b had n Mpro claimed to the House the contents of that letter when he bad hoped the misunderstanding had ceased?— (Loud cheers.) lie would give a further justifica tion of the course which he took ; it was dictated by an earnest desire to avoid and soften if possi ble anything like angry feelings on the part of the French Government, which mast seriously prejudice the character of the relations of the two Governments. Now, the letter itself required that he should make some observations, because that letter charged her Majesty's Government, and especially him (Lord Palmerston), as the organ of that Government, with having broken faith with the Government of France, inasmuch as it asserted that, contrary to the negotiations of Baron Gros, as controlled by the acts: of Mr. Wyse, coercive measures were resume]. The papers already in the hands of many lion. Members showed that the functions of Baron Gros were not suspended by any act of Mr. Wyse, but by the act of Baron Gros hi mse lf ; and that Mr. Wyse, so far from giving instruc tions to suspend him, had expressed a strong desire that he should be continued. He (Lord Palmerston) thought the papers would show that even after Baron Gros had communicated to Mr. Wyse that his functions were suspended, and his mission for the moment was put an end to, Mr. Wyse, so far from taking advantage of the earliest opportunity to have recourse to coercive measures, made a proposition t Baron Gros, which, if it had been accepted, would have satisfied those claims, the principle of which were not in dispute, and have ief% untouched, or subject to further discussion, any particular points on which differences of opinion bad arisen. Baron Gros's request to Mr. Wysa was—" Refer to your Government instructions as to the point of diference which has taken place; retain in your possession the vessels which you have in posses- Dion; but abstain from taking any more." Aft er the reaction of Baron Gros had been suspended kir. Wyse sail,' if the Greek Government ould seed him (Mr. Wyse) a sum which he thouet was the just amount of compensation hie for the losses of Mr. Finlay and M. Pacifico,—if the ';'creek Government would send 180,000 drachmas, and would accompany that with a letter, stating that that ium was iu full satisfaction of all the claims mentioned in his (Mr. Wyse's) note of the 17th January, with :he exception of M. Pacifieo's losses resulting from the lestruction of his documents, be would then—what ? Put the country in state quo ? No. He (Mr. Wyse) would immediately release all the Greek mer ehantmen, and give freedom to the commerce of Greece. That would have been a very just arrangement for the Greek Government. By that arrangement the terms of the letter of apology for the insult offered to the British, and also the arrangement for the settlement of Pacifico's other claims, would have been left to bo settled at a future time. Baron Gros replied to Mr. Wyse that he was no longer the official mediator, but that he would recommend the adoption of those terms in his private capacity. That was on the 24th, and on the morning of the next day Baron Gros informed Mr. Wyse, by a private letter, that it was probable that the British Minister wo u ld before evening receive that sum ,f money and the desired letter. On this understanding Hr. Wyse had suspended the resumption of coercive , neasures, and it was not until five o'clock on the same day, when the money and the letter had not arrived, 'hat he again gave orders for the resumption of coercive measures. They were therefore justi fied in saying that it was certainly not Wr. Wyse who put an end to the mission of Baron Gros, or that he had refused to allow coercive measures to be suspended. Mr. Wyse considered that Baron Gros had voluntarily withdrawn himself from his mission. And he (Lord Palmerston) thought that the French Government were entirely mistaken in supposing Oust there was any departure from the clear understand- Ins: that it rested with Baron Gros, and not with Mr. Wyse, to put an end to his functions as mediator. As o the second question, giving credit to Mr. Wyse for having judged right in his opinion that Baron Gros had withdrawn himself from the mission—and be (Lord Palmerston,) certainly thought he was right—as to the , econd question, whether the point upon which they differed was one in which it was right for Mr. Wyse to refer to his own Goverment for further instructions, and in the mean time to allow matters to remain in statu 7 uo, it was clearly understood that although the English Government accepted the good offices of France, it was fsr the purpose, and with the hope, of obtaining that ;atisfaction which it had already began to smiles your t) obtain, and it was at the same time clearly inderstood that this Government could consent to abandon any one of its claims. And that there was lo misunderstanding on this point was perfectly plain from the dispatches of M. Drouyn de I'lluys which were already published, he supposed, from authentic sources. fu these dispatches M. Drouyn do I'Huvs clearly laid down what he understood to bethe limits of the media ion of Baron Gros. He was not to enter into any negotiations which at all touched upon the principle of he demands of this Government, nor to enter , uto the sums which had been fixed as a satisfactory mmpensation to be obtained. The good offices of Baron Gros were not to be employed on fixing the amount of 'hese sums in any case unless they were not expressly lilted by this Government. The principle of our de mand was contained in six articles transmitted to the French Government, in which were advanced the claims for compensation for certain lonians who had been ill-treated at the hands of the Greeks; and also for the claims of Mr. Finlay and Pacifico. On the 16th of February Mr. Drouyn de l'Huys wrote to say that the question to be settled was one which would not at all infringe upon the principle of the British claims. In a dispatch of the 22d of the same month he again ex pressly repudiated anything that would seem to be a negation of the claims of the British Government; and he there remarked that it only remained to Ise settled what ishould be the amount of the ndemnity to be granted to Pacifico and Finlay. On the 22d of March he also repeated the same, and laid down what he understood to be the extent of Mr. Wyse's powers It was distinctly understood by that dispatch, that the Portuguese claim should be a separate question, and should remain to be afterwards settled. There appeared, however, to be some misunderstanding at Athens on the subject, and on the Bth April M. D'Lhuys wrote another letter to General Lahitte, in which he explained to the French Government that if any difference of opinion should arise between Baron Gros and Mr. Wyse as to the compromise which the negotiator proposed relative to the only points they had to examine, then, and only then, would Mr. Wyse and Admiral Parker have to consult with their own Governments. Some doubt it appeared, then arose between Baron Gros and Mr. Wyse, and the former intimated that he would with draw from the negotiation. The question then came to this—did the matter upon which this doubt or difference of opinion arose, form one of the points which the nego tiator had to settle, or not? He thought he (Lord Pal merston) had clearly shown by the extracts he had referred to that it was clearly understood between the two Governments that the only points which the nego tiator would have to examine were those having refer ence to the amount to be given to Mr. Finlay and M. Pacifico. Now it seemed that the negotiation broke off not on those points, but on the question whether the Greek Government was or was not to make an engagement with the view of not only examining into the losses of N. Pacifico, but of agreeing to pay him the amount of my loss which it might be proved he had sus :sined by the instructions of his Government. Baron Gros had not only agreed on the 16th to the engagement, but had actually consented that there should be a deposit of 150,000 drachmas, as ecurity for the fulfilment of the negotiation. The only difference of opinion between him aid Mr. Wyse, on that occasion, was that Baron Gros contended that the deposit should be held jointly by Greece and England, while Mr. Wyse, on the contrary, con tended that the security should he deposited io the Bank of England, or, if Baron Gros preferred it, :n the Bank of France, Baron. Gros, however, consented to take the matter into further consideration, but he afterwards altered his opinion, and said he was not sa tisfied that the claims of Pacifico were deserving of any serious consideration. Mr. Wyse showed his instruc tions to Baron Gros, and said he could not deviate from them, but Baron Gros appeared to have acted on an er roneous impression produced by a dispatch of M. Drouyn de I'Huys, and a difference of opinion having arisen between the two negotiators, the negotiation was nee cerdingly broken off. Baron Gros had originally proposed that the ships, with their cargoes, should be restored in the same condition as when captured. Baron Gros having withdrawn his proposal, Mr. Wyse withdrew his ; but Mr. Wyse having learnt in the meantime that the Greek Government was collecting a statement of its losses through Portu heal, with the vi ew o f sett i ng t h em off against e claims that were made upon Greece, he thought it right at once to discountenance any such demand.— (Cheers.) Throughout the whole negotiation Mr. Wyse had Insisted upon the principle being admitted that M. Pacifico had a claim upon the Greek Government, but he had never disputed the right of Greece to an inquiry into the validity of the amount claimed. It, However, had mattered not to her Majesty's Government what the amount was, whether it was 1/., t(nho s oeH t of t ep p ede p ba doprr break explicitly, ookeet t 10/., or 20/.; but were it ever so small her Majesty's Government felt it to be a point of principle to From the very first it was established as a point s d r ge c ov u n te m i o ray w s t justly liable, and that principle throughout the whole negotiation was never disputed nor departed from.— (Hear, nn s est occurrence .a e _s t e which ilie generally, cahre, hi e whichiva r r. a ) n v r d wyHhas He calculated to suspend the friendly relations ay which had hitherto subsisted between France and ai h pr e o.l e He thte m heha aest had negotiations.—(Hear, vi that the were Greek ekma Government He ar , wa hear.) England must be a source of deep and painful regret to her Majesty's Government.—(Cheers) He hoped he bad said nothing—he was sure it was not his wish or in tention to do so—that was at all calculated either to in crease the misunderstanding or to throw any obstacles in the way of its speedy settlement.—(Cheers.) He was not without hope that when this question came to be calmly, dispassionately, and clearly investi gated by the French Government, it would at once see that there was not the slightest ground for its seeking to interrupt its communication with a friendly power like England, and he therefore could not resist the hope that the discussion now going on between the two Governments might tend to a result satisfactory to both sides.— (Cheers.) He had already stated that -he should bo sorry to say anything that could stand in the way of a speedy settlement of this question, and he had only to add a hope that it would not be agitated in that House until it was known how the discussion going on between the two Governments would terminate, but, however, should it be necessary now to speak upon the subject, he should hope that no Hon. Member would say anything or ex press himself in a manner that was at all calculated to affect the feelings of France or its Government. It was the anxious desire of her Majesty's Government to cultivate the most friendly relations with France-- it was quite immaterial to them who were the men who composed the Government of France They did business with the Government as it existed and was rec ,, gnised by the country, and none other did they negotiate or hold communication with.— (Cheers.) In conclusion, therefore, he could not help expressing a hope, that whatever the Govern ment of France might think of the real matter at issue, at least it would, do her Ma jesty's Government the justice to admit that there was no ground tc complain of a want of good intentions on the part of her Majesty's Government towards them, or any wish to withhold that respect which it was the duty of her Majesty's Government always to extend to wards them.—(Cheers.) Sir J. WALSH thought it right to remind the Noble Lord that when he answered the question of the Right Hon. Member for Minehester, he must have been in possession of the contents of General Labitte's letter, though it had not been officially communicated to him. It w;s not his intention 'to f allow the Noble Lord in his statements. No time had been given Members to real the bulky documents just laid on the table of the House. The great question at issue be tween the Noble Lords and the French Government was whether Baron Gros's mission was at an end; or whether instructions should ba received from Lon don and Paris? It was clear that Baron Gros did net think the negotiation was at an end, and there the British Government and the Baron were at issue. It was clear that the French Go verntnont considered that the claims ought to bo sub mitt d to the discretion of their negotiator. It was most desirable that good relations should be kept up, not only with the French Government, but with other states were the relations with this country were hanging on a slender tie. The policy of the Noble Lord seemed to be to sunder the tie of every country with England. Ile had done so with shut* every atate in Europe, and he was now attempting it with France. The course he had pursued with respect to Greece hal placed Rag land in a most unenviable position.—(Hear, bear.) He believed at present that the. affairs of this country with France were not serioux, but h warned the Noble Lord of the effects of the course he was pur,uing. Lord MAHON d..precat,d the great delay that had taken place in the delivery and production os the docu ments that were so important to the discussion of the question. He thought time ought to be givtn to consider the documents before the question was fully discussed. Mr. SMYTHE believed that the Noble Lord W 33 in error in stating that M. Gros had given up the negotiation, and read a letter of Monsieur Gros's in order to support that assertion. lie agreed with the Noble Lord that the time had not arrived properly to discuss this question, but he thought that the time had arrived when some course should be pursued to prevent the interruptions that were threatened of the good feelings be tween this country and France.—(Hear, hear.) The Noble Lord had taken every opportunity to endea vour to accomplish the severance of this country with France, The course that had been pursued by the Noble Lord in the whole of the present transaction had shown a pedantry unworthy of a great nation, and a jealousy and insult to France that was totally uncalled for. The Noble Lord had insulted France by entering into a convention on the 18th April, which he was obliged to repudiate and reject on the 10th May. And why was be oblige dto repudiate and reject it? because on the 27th April, by the aid of the levia than fleet of Great Britain, he at last harpooned his miserable minnow—the infinitessimal monarchy of Greece.—(Laughter.) What wonder, then, that an ardent and susceptible people like the French, in the presence of such an outrage, from such a great power to so feeble a state—what wonder that a fiery and suscep tible people in the presence of so long a series of evil offices from the minister of July, 1840—what wonder that they should have arisen as one man, represented by seven-eighths of the Chamber representing universal suffrage, to applaud the recall of their Amba-sador. He had seen it stated that the recall was not sympathised in by the higher authorities of France. But this much he would venture to say, that the prince or governor, who ever lecicnight be, who was at the head of affairs in France, would have a very good chance of sleeping at Vincennes if he had not exhibited that sympathy.—(Hear, hear.) It was stated that one-fourth of the Assembly did not entertain the same feeling of indignation to wards the conduct of the Noble Lord which was felt by the larger portion of that body. Now he (Mr. S.) was reeling a work the other day, written by the most able leader, and most elo quent champion of the democratic party in France— Ledru Rollin, in which he spoke of England and its foreign policy as a worn-out vulture in its isolated eyrie; and he said there was no treaty into ehich this country bad ever entered which had not been violatsd, and that the sea is not more full of ruin and wreck than the history of English diplomacy is of trickery and deceit. It appeared to him (Mr. S.) dirt there were only two solutions to this question, which would be satisfactory to the House. One, perhaps, it would almost be too absurd to name—the retirement of the Noble Lord—(Laughter.) Solar as the balance of power was concerned, no man could doubt that Groat Britain was a necessary party in the present condition of the world; that in the present state of Great Britain the Whigs were necessarily the Government, and that the Noble Lord was necessary to the Whig Government.—(Laughter.) It was, therefore, impossible to come to that solution. But there was another solution, and he would venture to implore the Noble Lord to give effect to that solution, by which he would confer a great benefit on Greece, show due cour tesy to France, and do justice to England, whose honour was in this matter so solemnly engaged.—(Hear.) Mr. HENRY I)RUMMOND—I am of opinion that the statement made by the Noble Secretary for Foreign Affairs on a former evening, which has nut been inter preted by some persons as it ought to have been, has now been satisfactorily explained.—(Hear.) It further appears to me that the Noble Lord did nothing but his duty in making that statement in the terms which he used. There is, however, much truth in the old saying, that when a man is determined either to marry or to fight, it is very difficult to prevent him.—(A laugh.) I wish I did not see such a pugnacious spirit—such a des perate desire to fight, on the part of her Majesty's Ministers.—(Hear.) It is true that many cases may arise in which it would be impossible to put up altoge ther with an insult from a weaker power; but I remem ber perfectly well the great Mr. Grattan observing, upon some occasion—l think it was when Sir F. Burdett was committed to the Tower—" Every one sides with the weaker party. You may sometimes see a little deformed dwarf kicking the shins of a great giant of a fellow, and when the giant, very properly, boxes his ears, all the bystanders sympathise with the dwarf by calling out Well done, little one.' " (Laughter and cheers.) lam willing to admit, though only for the sake of*argument, that it was necessary for the British Government to send a fleet to exact a sum of money from Greece; but the moment a great power like France offered its mediation in the matter, Minis ters would have beat consulted true policy and real dig nity by at once surrendering up the whole question, and putting it entirely out of their own hands.—(Loud cheers.) They ought to have given France a carte Llanche to deal with the matter as she pleased.— (Cheering renewed.) It unfortunately happens that the documents which have been placed upon the table of the House contained evidence allowing it to be the general opinion of foreign powers that the English Government have instigated every rebellion that has occurred throughout Europe.—(Cheers.) It is also the opinion of the rebels themselves, who complain that England fomented their mischievous proceedings et first, and left them in the lurch at last. The result is that now we have not a single friend in any part of Europe. It must be admitted that the Noble Lord the Si cretary for Foreign Affairs is nut particularly nice as to giving offence to foreign Governments. Only that morning, on reading some papers lately presented so the Howe, rela tive to the renewal of terms of amity bete een this coun try and Spain, I observed that the Noble Lord had inge niously contrived to rub the old sore.—(Elear, hear, and leughter.) The Noble Lord prokseed an anxiety to be upon terms of peace and amity with the Spanish Go vernment, and yet be went out k f his way to parade be fore that Government in the most offensive and insulting manner a name which he knew was odicus to it.—(Loud cries of " Hear.") Now, suppose two private gentlemen had had a quarrel about one of their servants, and agreed to make peace with each other, would not every feeling of delicacy and honour prevent the name of the servant from being introduced into their coliferunce? —(Cheers.) It is desirable the House should clearly understand that it is not upon Ministers they are called upon to pronounce judgment in these matters. It is the honour of the Crown which is at stake—it is a question of peace or war.—(Hear, hear.) If the House of Commons do not decidedly say by a large majority that they will have peace with France—cost what it may post. (Cries of "Oh!" from the benches usually oc cupied by the Financial Reformers and friends of peace.) Oh (continued the Hon. Member, turning to them), I am not a member of the Peace Society.—(Great cheering and laughter.) I ate not one of those who say that there should be no war, but I have a great contempt for the pot valour which would rush into a war without counting the coet—(flear, hear)—and would then come back here whining and crying out for diminished armaments, to be followed again by complaints of crippled commerce and starved manufactures.—(Hear, hear.) Let us under stand what we are about. We are going to war, not with France alone, but with Austria and Russia secretly backing her, and we must look very sharp if, after the dispatches which have been received this day, America is not found behind them.—(Cheers.) Colonel DUNNE next addressed the House, but the buzs of conversation made him almost inaudible. He was understood to say that he was willing to preserve peace at any price save the sacrifice of national honour, which compelled us to protect the persons and property of all her Majesty's subjects: Mr. DISRAELI—Sir, I would recommend the House not to ratify, with too assenting a cheer, the position of the Noble Lord the Member for Hertford, that we should not presume to give an opinion upon any foreign transactions in this House, until the papers are laid be fore us. I remember last year, or the year before, with respect to certain transactions in Italy, that considerable excitement was felt even in the House of Commons, and, influenced by an equal delicacy, some slight discussion only took place upon the most important transactions in • modern history. The House had made up their mind that they would not enter into the subject until the papers were laid before it. At the end of the session, or, I believe, after the prorogation of Parliament, those papers appeared in the shape of three folio volumes— (Hear, hear)—and I will venture to say that if the Gen tlemen who have read those three volumes, digested their contents, and made themselves masters of the subject. would walk into the old lobby, they would form one of the smallest minorities that ever went there.—(Hear, hear.) Now, Sir, I congratulate the Government upon the frankness with which to-day they have conde scended to enter into some explanation. I believe there is no popular assembly in Europe that less willingly ob trudes itself upon discussions connected with our diplo matic relations than the House of Commons, and cer tainly I believe there never was a Government, even in England, that has been treated more tenderly by the House of Commons than her Majssty's present Minis ters.—(Hear. hear.) But, Sir, exaetly as that wise re serve prevails amongst us, I think we have a right to ask and obtain any explanation from the Government of the day, when it is necessary, with becoming frankness. It is an understood condition and compact between both sides—between the Government and the Opposition —on these subjects, that, though unwilling to provoke discus sions which might interfere with important negotiations, yet when it is necessary that the House of Commons should be made acquainted with these transactions there should be evinced on the part of the Government a frankness proprtionato to the reserve on this si,le of the House. Now to-night wo have had a speec'a from a member of the Government, personally and peculiarly connected with the transaction of these affairs, which has been considered a very able and masterly, stateniPnt. I iiiteneii to it, but for the life of me I cannot understand why is was not made a week ago.—(Hear, hear.) The Noble Lord said nothing to-night which he might not have said before the House adjourned; and if the moral effects of the statement of the Noble Lord will be as beneficial as some .... parties contemplate, it is a matter to be regretted that a week should have been lost in making a statement which might have been made a week ago as well as at the pre sent moment, and which, according to the expectation s of lion. Gentlemen opposite, is calculated to remove all those inconveniences which we foresee and lament.— (Hear.) Ido not myself intend on the present occasion —I see no necessity for it—to enter into any discussion whatever upon what are called the affairs of Greece. I may, however, observe, that though I think the Noble Lord bee explained eatiefaeterily his answ er 0 the veil.