The Sun. — London, England, 1850-03-08 00:00:00

IMPORTANT NEWS of Sill% JOEN FRANKLIN. [The following official c ommunication from the Admiralty appeared in our Third Edition of yes terasy:—] With reference to the article in this day's :Morning Herald, in which it is stated " the writer of the letter states that be had seen a gentleman from Kamschatka, who informed him that he had seen Sir John Frank lin, that he and all his party were quite safe, and coming through the North-West Passage," we have been furnished with the following copy of a letter from Mr. Samuel Peck to the Lords of the Admiralty, by which it will be observed that no mention is made of Sir John Franklin having been " SEEN " by any one. (Corr.) TO THE LORDS OF THE ADMIRALTY Liverpool, March 6, 1850. MY LORDS,—I hasten to give the intelligence I have received regarding Sir John Franklin and his expedition, which I believe to be the first, and I trust will prove correct, as I can give full evidence to the honour and truthfulness of the writer, my son. Herewith a full extract of the letter, dated San Francisco Bay, California, Sunday, Dec 30, 1849 : " There was a gentleman on board this ship yes terday that has just arrived from Kamschatka, with the news of the discovery of Sir John Franklin and all his party. They are all well, and have come through the North-West Passage. (Signed) " CIIAS. WILLIAM PECH." My son writes from on board the English ship Blakely, of Liverpool. I trust, my Lords, that I shall have been the first to give the intelligence of the missing expedition. The truth or erroneous information conveyed by the gentleman alluded to by my son, must shortly become known. I give also a postscript to my son's letter : " P.S.—This is favoured by Captain Askew, late of the barque Chillian, of London, who has kindly offered to post it for me at Panama, to clear the Yankee postage."—C. W. P. I have, &c., SAMUEL PECK GERMANY. A telegraphic dispatch from Berlin of the sth inst. mentions certain rumours of an unexpected delay which, it was believed, was impending on the convo cation of the Erfurt Parliament. The correspond ent of the Kolner Zeitung asserts that these rumours are devoid of foundation, and that the Parliament is to meet on• the day appointed, viz., on the 20th March. The draught of the Message to that Parlia ment has been confirmed. _ _ The Allgetneine Zeiturg has letters from Munich of the 2d instant, stating that the conferences of Munich have at length led to the conclusion of a treaty between the Kings of Saxony, Bavaria, and Wurtemberg. This treaty is intended summa rily to dispose of the affairs of Germany. It was signed on the 27th of February. H mover has not as yet consented to join the three other king dom.; on account of certain differences of opinion between Hanover and Austria on the subject of the propositions respecting the German Constitution, on which Austria, Bavaria, and Wurtemberg are alre.ady agreed. M:. Sturve, the Hanoverian Premier, withholds his sanction from the Auitro- Bavarian scheme, on account of its want of guarantees for its future stability. He objects to it because Austria will not consent to a state chamber, or to a twofold representation of the Governments. Austria in her turn stands up for a single chamber to represent the in terests of Germany. She offers to make the greatest sacrifices, and proposes to join the Confederation with all her provinces, with the exception of those of Italy. She demands a Diet of 300 members, in which she proposes to represent the 33,000,000 of Austrians by 100 members, the 16,000.000 of Prussians by another 100 ; aad the 17,000,000 of inhabitants of smaller states by the third hundred. In the Directory of seven votes, Austria claims but a single vote. The Breslau) Gazette says that the Countess Casi mir Batthyany, who accompanied her husband on horseback during the whore Hungarian war, and afterwards followed him into exile, has just had con fiscated her family jewels, estimated at 80.000 florins. They had been buried in a secret place known only to a domestic ; this man having fallen dangerously ill, communicated tha secret to a priest, and the priest made it known to the military authorities, who im mediately seized the jewels. PORTUGAL. Advices have been received from Lisbon to the 1s of March. Tee Royal Family and the Prince and Princess of Joinville continued at Mafra. The Count of Thumar had laid before the House of Deputies his annual report of the Home Department, and presented twelve new projects of law relating to reforms in the internal administration, division of territory, recruitments, mines, statistics, &c. The House had pa!sed the Bill for confirming the privileges of the Bank of Portugal ; the principal modifications which it makes in the original Bank decree are the reduction of the capital from 11,000 to 8,000 contos, with power to reduce it to 5,000 contos, or 1,125,0001., when the old notes of the Lisbon Bank and the Confianqa Company shall have been paid off. The privilege of issu inq notes as a circulating medium is re stricted to the district of Lisbon, but the Bank is empowered to establish branch agencies in different parts of the country. The concessions granted by the old Bank Charter of 7th June, 1824, are again revived, and it is specially stated in the Bth article, " That the Bank may negotiate and discount bills and all other papers of credit used in commerce, which bear the number and quality of signatures required by its statutes, and that the effects of all drawers, acceptors, endorsers, and guarantees, shall be consi• dered as tacitly and legally hypothecated for its pay ment without the necessity of re , i,tration." A project of law, presented 'by the Deputy M. Francisco Antonio da Fouseea, for taking off all duties upon the export of grain and relieving the vessels from tonnage dues, was likely to be adopted by the Government. Tha Committee of Deputies had formed, upon the Government project, a complete code for the represssion of abuses of the press. It retains the trial by jury composed of citizens eligible to be elected members of the House of Deputies, but proposes the establishment of an exceptional court of appeal, composed of three members chosen by the House of Peers, and three by the Deputies, under the presidency of the President of the Supreme Tri bunal of Justice, which would naturally feel itself un justly slighted by such a transfer of part of its functions to a political tribunal subservient to the Government, which will name the Judges through the Cortes. _ _ _ ' - 'Te;ewas some talk in Lisbon of referring the American claims upon the Portuguese Government to arbitration. ITALY. The Piedmontese Gazette of the 21 publishes a proclamation of the Syndic of Turin, announcing that a solemn religious service would be celebrated in the Church of the Mother of God, on the 4th of March, the second anniversary of the proclamation of the Constitution, and of the institution of the National Guard. We find in the same paper a circular, addressed by order of the Minister of the Interior, to the Intendants-General of pro vinces, for the better organization of the National Guards, containing directions for the distribution of arms to those who had not yet received any. i n the sitting of the Chamber of Deputies of Turin, or the Ist, Dr. Zunini moved that the Cham ber should celebrate the anniversary of the 4th of ;Marcia with peculiar solemnity. Dr. Polto seconded the motion, adding that the President should be empowered to arrange matters, so that the Chamber and National Guard might be present toge • then at the ceremony. Both motions were agreed to unanimously. Another motion by M. Chenal, that the 4th:of March be declared a perpetual holiday, was so fir agreed to that the Minister of the Interior was itistructed to present a law on the subject. The dis-. cussion of the Bill on postal reform was then resumed, and advanced to Art. 24. PuthADELrnIA, FED. IS.—Antiquarians will feel deeply interested in the discovery of vast regions of ancient ruins near San Diego, and within a day's march of the Pacific Ocean, at the head of the Gulf of California. Portions of temples, dwellings, lofty stone pyrlimids (seven of these within a mile square), an d 1 113951" granite rings, or eiroolar walk, roun d venerable trees, columns awl blocks of hiero glyphics —all speak of some ancie nt race of men now for ever gone , their hist or y actually unknown to a n n o y of the existing families of m an ki nd. In some points, these ruins resemble the recently discovered cities of r a m /liv e, &c., near the Atlantic or Mexican Gulf Coast; in others, the ruins of ancient Egypt ; in others, again, the monuments of Phoenicia ; and yet in many features they differ from all referred to. The discoverers deem them to be antediluvian, while the present Indiana have a fraditioa of a great civilized nation which their fere china forefathers utterly destroyed. The election of Lord Rector, Aberdeen, has been :natio in favour of Sheriff Gordon, who had a majority of 72 oval his opponent, the author Qt the Latter Day Pamphlets—Thetaaa Carlyle. i INSTITUTION OF CIVIL ENGINEERS. On Tuesday, March 5 (William Cubitt, Esq., Pre sident, in the chair), before the business commenced, it was announced by the Secretary, that an electric tel egraph dispatch had been received, communicating thi 3 gratifying intelligence that, at seven o'clock in the morning of Tuesday, three locomotive engines d twenty-two loaded coal waggons, weighing in all th ree hundred tons, had passed through the Britannia mho, over the Bilenai Straits, with perfect safety, and very satisfactory to Mr. Stepheason, the engineer. The discussion was resumed on Mr. Taylor's sys tem of Street Paving, and was extended to such a length as to preclude the reading of any paper. It was contended that a rigid and unyielding sub stratum had been tried by Mr. Telford many years since, and had been used with success in some parts of the City paving, up to the present time. The average duration of the pavement of the streets in the City was stated to be eight years, but that it was constantly subject to injury, from being moved by ;he water and gas companies. The pave ment on London bridge by Sir John Rennie was instanced as a good, but expensive, example of the use of long narrow stones; and that by Mr. Walker, on Blackfriars-bridge, was quoted as another instance of the success that might be attained by great care in the preparation of the substratum, which was of con crete, and the stones of the pavement being laid with more than ordinary skill and care. The results in both cases were eminently successful, but it was allowed that such an expensive system, however beautiful, was not applicable to the ordinary streets. It was admitted that, although the principal streets of the City and the main thoroughfares of the West and East ends were well attended to, yet it must be allowed, that the paving of the majority of the streets was not in a satisfactory state, and it was attributed, in a great degree, to the want of a definite system being adopted; there being too many autho rities in the shape of parish paving boards, each of which bad a separate surveyor, too often equally in efficient and ill paid. The water and gas companies appeared to vie with each other in their endeavours to destroy the paving ; and a portion of the Strand was quoted as having been removed thirty times within two years. With respect to Mr. Taylor's system of paving, it was contended that the Mount Sorrel granite was a very superior material, both as regarded its toughness and durability, and that its natural structure enabled it to be worked very advantageously into the small cubes. The main feature of the system was the selection of the material for the substratum, and the careful preparation, so as to afford a sufficiently rigid, but yet imperceptibly elastic bed, whereon the small cube stones should rest. These stones being well driven down by repeated blows of light rammers, attained a degree of solidity which defied the heaviest traffic ; and in the towns where the system was em ployed, considerable economy had resulted. The sur face of the paving appproached as nearly as possible that of a macadamized road, affording even a safer foothold for the horses, and with less noise of passing vehicles. The surface possessed extraordi nary durability, and it might be considered as a solid mass of granite. It was announced that within a few weeks there would be specimens of Mr. Taylor's system of paving laid down at the entrances of Hyde park, where they would be subjected to regular traffic of a destructive nature, and which would be under constant observation. A model of an improved crossing point was ex hibited by Mr. Duncan, of Leeds; the notch in the rail was shown to be done away with, and the two rails in it were so dovetailed together, as to render any vertical motion between them impossible, thus materially strengthening the crossing. A piece of brickwork, set in Greave's blue lies lime, and which had been kept under water for nine days, was also exhibited. This material was com posed of one-third of lime to two-thirds of burnt clay; and it was stated to have b?en used with great suc cess in the tunnels on the Great Northern Railway, as well as in many hydraulic works, in which it was as durable as cement. At tl'e monthly ballot for Members, the following gentlemen were duly elected :--Mr. E. 0. Tregelles, as member ; and Messrs. J. A. Agnew, W. Bevan, E. Goddard, J. D. M. Stirling, G. B. Thorneycroft, C. C. Williams, and Lieut. Douglas S. Galton, as associates. The next meeting was announced to take place on Tuesday evening, March 12, when an interesting paper will be read, " On Tubular Girder Bridges," by Mr. Wm. Fairbairn, M. Inst. C.E. THE COUNTRY MARKETS. LOUGHBOROUGH, MARCH 7.—At to- day'd market we have had a supply of all grain,i,wheat, and barley, each is lower. Other descriptions of grain as last quoted. DERBY SMITHFIELD MARKET, 111AR.CIT s.—The show of fat stock to-day was decidedly good, and higher prices were asked ; the attendance of purchasers was large, and we thought the demand was somewhat improved. The supply of cheep was also good ; the trade in the early part of the morning was very inactive, but there were only a few lots left on hand unsold. Fat and store calves were pletinful. Fat pigs about the average. Beef made from 5d to 51d per lb. ; mutton, 5P to 641 ; veal, 5d to 51d per lb. ; pork, 7s 6,1 per score. Rough fat, 3a 6d per stone of 141bs. Hides, 11d per lb ; calf skins, 21 to 3id per lb. BOSTON, MARCH 6.—Wheat, red 27s to :las Orl. white 315 to 395, extra 4 is; oats 105 to 16s; beans, ltis to 255; peas 219 to 25s per quarter. _ _ LT NN, MARCH s.—Wheat 30s to 345, fine 36s to 40s ; barley 18s to 20s, fine 22s to 26s per qr. NZWARK, MARCH 6.—Wheat, white 41s to 425, extra 445, red 36s to 375, extra 38* ; barley, malting 24s to 265, seed 275, grinding Os Od, foreign Os to 03; oats,: feed 161 to 18s, seed 20s to 23s ; beans, 25s to 265, seed 27s ; peas, white and blue 284 to 30s, seed 31s ; spring tares, 36s to 40s per qr. EDINBURGH GRAIN MARKET, MARCH 6.—Wheat The quantity of wheat brought forward to-day was 842 qrs, being 128 qrs less than last week. Top price Is down, and the average 5d up-96 qrs unsold. Barley—The quantity brought forward was 377 qrs, being 9 qrs less than last week. Price on the top 63, and the average is 2d up-55 qrs unsold. Oats—Of this kind of grain we had 1,081 qrs brought forward, or 181 qrs less than last week. The top price the same, and the average Is 7d up-67 qrs unsold. Beans —The quantity of beans to-day was 257 qrs, or 70 qrs more than last week. Price on the top tha same, and the average 8d up-10 qrs unsold. Top of Wheat ... 6441 b. 41s Od „ Barley ... 58f i l b. 26s Od „ Oats ... •.. 4541 b. 22s Od ~ Beans •66i1b. 30s Ott EDINBURGH CATTLE MARKET, MARCH 6.—The supply of cattle this morning was 518, being 256 less than last week. Demand good, and prices the same as last market. Top price, is ; current, 6s to 6s 6d ; middling and inferior, 4s 6d to 6s per Dutch stone. The supply of sheep this morning was 1,817, being 45 less than last week. Sales were slt,wly effected at about last week's prices. Top price of best mutton, sid per lb ; current, Od to 5d ; inferior, 4d to 413. Nearly all sold. DUNBAR, MARCH s.—Wheat, weighing 6411b5, brought 365, and prices to 27 , 5. Barley, weighing 551b s , b roug ht 20 s , and prices to 00s. Oats, weighing 421' lbs, brought 19s, and prices to 13s 63. Beans and peas, weighing 001bs, brought 335, and prices to 265. CORK, MARCH 6.—Flour--First 12s Od to 13s; extra 14s; seconds, Ils 03 to its ; households 9s to lls Od; thirds, 7s to 8i per cwt. Oatmeal 10s to 103 fd; Indian meal 7s to 7s 3d ; wheat • meal. lOs to ()Os 0.1 per cwt. Indian corn 132 s 6d to 135 s per ton. Bran 3/ 12s 64 to 3/15sper ton. Hay—Farmers 253 to 355; average 325; dealers 32s to 384 Od; average 36s per ton. Straw— Farmer' 181 Od to 25s Od; average 22x; dealers 10s Od. to 00s Od; average 00s Od per ton. Bread—Wheaten loaf 6d to 6id ; household loaf 5d to sid per 41b. Fresh butter, 8d to 103 per lb Eggs-3s 10d to 4s Od per hundred. Coals— Newport 15s; Lydney 17s ; Landore 15s ; Best Ncath Culm 14s per ton. Tallow 40s Od to 00s per cwt. Whisky, 25 o. p., 5s 9d per imperial gallon. Meat —Beef 4d to 6d ; mutton 4d to 6d; veal Od to Od ; pork 4d to Od ; bacon 6d to 71d ; sausages 5d per lb. Hops 131 Os per cwt. Bangor slates 312 s 6d to 315 s pet ton. Bark—. Barbary 71 5 s to 815 s; Valonia 141 to 01; French 7/ 53; English 0/ per ton. Fleece Wool 10s to 12s per stone. Hemp 321 toool per ton. Fish— Scotch herrings 16s to 17s ; red ditto 20s to 22s per barrel ; Newfoundland 9/ Os to 11/ pot ton. Timber—Memel, 85s per ton ; deals, first quality, 18s, second quality, 16s per 100. Hides—Market 14s to 20s ; salted 15s to 21s per cwt ; calf skins 2.1e1 to W i d per lb. Potatoes, white 8d to 9}d; Minions 12d to 13d; Guano— Peruvian, 111 108; Icbaboe, 91 per ton; Tar—Archangel, 19s per barrel. A SUBSTANTIAL ACKNOWLEDGMENT.—rapt. Cook, ani the crew of the British barque Sarah, have been the objects of special attention in New York during the past fortnight, fur their noble conduct in the rescue of the passengers and crew of the packet ship Caleb Grimshaw. A purse of 8,600 dollars was made up among the mer chants, and distributed as follows to the officers and crew f the Sarah:—To the captain, 5,600 dollars; chief mate, 750 dollars; second mate, 400 dollars; carpenter, 350 dollars; to the steward and able seamen, each 125 dol lars; ordinary seamen and apprentices, each 100 dollars. —Kingston Whig, Feb. 6. BRITISH COLONIAL BANK AND LOAN COMPANY.— The ninth annual meeting c f this company was held at the offices in Moorgate-street on Wednesday, Mr. Stuart in the chair, when a report was pre pentetd, whi c h sa i d the directors had the satisfaction o had f s ta a k ti e n n g ptlhmeee in ir b elief the condition that a ofthe material Australian improvement colonies in the course of the last year, and that the property of the company, in common with all other property in these colonies, had risen in value. The directors recommended the shareholders to declare a dividend of two per cent. The directors very much re gretted to say that the suit in Chancery to which they alluded in their lasi report had been decided against the company, thus occasioning a dimi nution in the value of the property of the com pany to the extent of 4,5821 . 103., in which amount was included the sum of 1,312/. mentioned in the report of last ear. The accounts showedl42slo. ; liabilities, the amount of the capital to be, shares, 6 5,027/. 133.; profit and lose, 2,755/. I Is. id.; together 171,9801. 4s. l II.; which wag thus accounted for:— 500/. ; loans per Sydney PI eliminary expenditure, books, 164,9551. 13s. Id. (of which 126,550/. 19. 61. are foreclosed); cash, 4,1711. 83. 21. ; bills receivable, 2,361/. 2s. 10d. On th e p ro fit an d loss account the re ceipts (including a balance of 3,394/. Bs. 6d. from the pre vious accounts) amount to 8,9.16/..65.2d.; and the expen• diture (including the lastyear's dividend of 2,981/.18.11d.) 6,190/. 15s. Id., leaving a balance of 2,7551. 11s. Id. After considerable conversation as to the practicability of re (lacing the expenditure and selling the surplus property of the company, and also as to the advisability of endeavour ing to merge the company into some of the other Aus tralian companies, the report was adopted, the dividend declared, the directors authorised to take such steps as they should deem advisable to pay off the loans due by the company, and a vote of thanks given to the chair man and tlirectersi the meeting then beP4rated• LONDON, FRIDAY EVENING, MARCH 8, 1850 to the intercourse with that Hon. and Gallant Member's constituents, and, secondly, with reference to language in this House, with regard to that intercourse. He had been advised by several very respectable friends —(Laughter)--that he hal better leave this complaint and this inquiry until after the debate, which was fixed fir the 28th of February.—(Hear.) Since he had come down to the House, he had been informed, that his Noble Friend at the head of the Government, had some important matters to suggest, and as he was always ready to make private convenience subservient to the public service, he was desirous of reserving what he had to say until a futere opportunity.—(Hear, and laughter.) Yet, at the same time, he must say that he was exceed ingly desirous that the matter upon which they were now engaged should be brought to as speedy a conclu sion as possible.—(Laughter.) Several Members behind him were using badinage, but it would not. affect him, except in so far as it would prevent his explanation. The SPEAKER said that the Hon. Gentleman was perfectly competent at the present moment to make any explanation he pleased. Mr. CAMPBELL then said that in a speech he had intended to make he had been interrupted in what he had intended to say, or he should have been able to declare his sentiments to the House. He had received a communication from the secretary of a Reform Association at Kensington, inviting him (Mr. Campbell) to take part in a meeting the,-e. He (Mr. Campbell) wrote to the secretary to say that he did not agree with the views of the association, but ulti mately consented to attend the meeting, and at a great incorn enience did so. He had left the House to do so ; and ho believed the Hon. Gentleman the Member for the University of Oxford was on his legs at the time, and he must apologise for leaving him.—(Great laughter.) On arriving at the meeting he found that it was not fully assembled, but consisted n. arly altogether of boys.—(Laughter.) After some others had spoken, he was requested to address the meeting, although the secretary was aware of his (Mr. Campbell's) views on the subject; and he complied with that request because it would have been uncivil not to have done so. A Chartist rose up on a bench just opposite him— (Laughter)—not the Hon. Member for Nottingham (Mr. F. O'Connor), nor the Hon. Member for West Surrey (Mr. Drummond), but a Chartist, who attacked him because he had a seat in the House of Commons, and who declared him (Mr. Campbell) to be a fair specimen of ,that assembly—(Loud laughter)— and he confessed he met that charge with considerable indignation.—(Continued laughter.) He regretted to find that the character of that House did not stand in such high estimation in Kensington as it did in other places.—(Loud laughter.) Great confusion took place at the meeting—(ae we understood the Hon. Gentleman, who, we may mention excited the greatest amusement and hilarity in the House owing to the genuine simplicity with which he delivered his address)—in the midst of which he retired, and arrived at the House at the time of the division, and explained what had taken place to his Hon. Friend near him. He hoped the House would acquit him of any disposition to make any false representations. With regard to the language which the Hon. and Gallant Member ascribed to him, he begged to assure the Hon. and Gallant Member that he was quite mis taken in supposing that in speaking of the inhabitants of Kensington he made use of the term " low people." He would not dispute that the Hoe. Gentleman might have been under the impression that he did use that language, but he did not find it in any of the reports of his speech, and therefore before the Hon. and Gal lant Member spoke so positively on the matter he ought to have satisfied himself that the language really was used. It was almost unnecessary for him to say that the sentiments ascribed to him by the Hon. and Gallant Member with regard to the working classes were not at all the sentiments he held about them. The conduct of the working man was highly deserving of commenda tion, while his character was entitled to every respect.— (Order, order). The SPEAKER was quite sure the Hon. a n d L earne d Member would see the necessity of refraining from any further observations. It was not usual to refer to what had passed in a former debate in this way, and if any Hon. Member had misrepresented the views of the Hon. Gentleman, the Hon. Gentleman aught to have made his explanation at the close of that Hon. Member's speech. If the Honourable Member wished to clear up any mis representation a 3 to his character, he ought to be strictly limited to thee—(lean) Mr. CAMPBELL said he would only thank the House for the indulgence they liad given him, and he would assure them that it was not unappreciated. Mr. B. OSBORNE said, after the very simple story which had been told to the House by the Hon. Member for Cambridge, it was really unnecessary to tremble the House further with the matter. He (Mr. B. Osborne) could assure the Hon. Member that what ho had said with regard to the respectable people of Chelsea and Hammersmith was perfectly satisfactory, and he ac• cepted his apology with the greatest kiuduess.—(Roars of laughter.) EPISCOPAL REVENUES. Mr. DEEDES asked the First Lord of the Treasury whether it was the intention of the Government to bring forward this session any Bill fouuded on the report of the Episcopal and Capitular Revenues Commission? Lord J. RUSSELL wai understood to say that the subject would be brought before the House after Easter, but he could not say what time at', er Easter. THE IRISH POOR-LAW. Mr. CLEMENTS said he had seen from the report of the Irish Poor-law Commissioners that thy were in course of declaring the working out of the commission with reference to Connaught. He would ask the Secre tary of State fir the Homo Department what was the etson that they had taken a very small portion of Con laught, viz., the county of Leitrim, for that commission? In the county of Leitrim there were three portions small ones it was true, but not, nevertheless, to be neg. lected on that account—which seemed to have been left out of the calculations of the authorities; and he wished therefore to inquire whether there was any design of intentionally leaving out these thr ee portions? Sir G. GREY was not aware that these portions Lai not been touched. The arrangement of these maters laid exclusively within the duty of the Poor-law Com missioners, and he was not, therefore, in the possession of sufficient information to give any definite reply, but he would make the requisite inquiries in order that he might give a satisfactory answer to the question. REDUCTION OF LIGHT DUEe. Mr. FORSTER wished to know whether it was the intention of the Right Honourable Gentleman the Pre sident of the Beard of Trade to bring in any measure this session for the reduction of the lighthouse dues chargeable upon sea-going vessels. Mr. LABOUCHERE said that certainly when the subject of the Trinity Board was before the House last session he had incidentally alludoi to the light dues, hoping to lessen the expenses which now resulted from them, but ho had this session introduced several impor tant measures connected With the mercantile marine, not one of which had he had an opportunity of bringing before the H6use, and he should therefore feel perfectly 1 unjustified in bringing any other matter before the House until these were dispersed of. DIVISION OF IRISH UNIONS. I In reply to a question from Air. H. HERBERT, Sir G. GREY said he did not know enough upon the subject give a rep l y, b ut would o b ta i n t h e n remnt to give for a futu re d a y. H e was no t a t al awarees a a that there was a n y i ntent i on whatever to div i de les ry t Brica.eonoogfoae It a 3. the _ the unions. THE NEW LORD CHIEF JUSTICE. Colonel SIBTHORP rose to ask a question of which or . may I e made, since the last awillilellYb'e subject to such reductions whether such appointments t a i llowance s as may be recommended iehnse theirhh sessionaa d v e givenosalariesf beenpalianotice, andma d Parliament, the recent appointment by Parliament, .and especially of the Lord Chief Justice of the Queen's Bench; and, whether Lord Campbell accepts the same salary as Lord ht L a o l r s d ? to p . state that th Denman did, viz., .8,000/. per annum, instead of 10,0001. by the as the Act of Parliament grants. bed accepted the office of eLnmoradn_CnhaiemfeJiyu,st Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that Lord Campbell the ep ae rt o t ua e gs the diminution of the salary of the Lo a rd a s r annum.wi same th r esr salary elte Treasury without any. Bill being pa,:sed far the purpose 1 1 ? Parliament ; but he should office bad been made presently give notice of a Bill f or t h at purpose. It was not proper to bring in any mtasure without consulting Lord Denman, and he might say that this Bill would have Lord DeLallan'a full approval. With respect to Lord Campbell, he had been informed at the time that her Majesty's pleasure had been notified to him that the salary would be 8,000/. per annum. IT -...e might also state that it was intended to reduce the salary of the Lord Chief Justice of the Common Pleas to 7,0001. per annum. With respect to the first part of the question, he could not state that it was generally intended to reduce all the salaries of officers a ppointed . since the la s t sess i on of Parliament, but s ome salaries would be reduced, and those officers whom it was intended to reduce had re ceived notice. Mr. HUME wished to know if the pension which Lord Campbell was to receive had been settled? Lord J. RUSSELL said that na arrangements had yet be3n come to. Colonel SIBTHORP wished to k now if Lord Camp bell would still con ti n ue to be a Minister ? Lord J. RUSSELL said that Lord Campbell h a d already ceased t o h o ld a seat in the Cabinet. ELECTIVE FRANCHISE. Lord NUGENT asked Sir De Lacy Evans wheth e r ho might b e un d erstoo d as engaging himself, in a n y event, to pr ess f orwar d to a discussion and di v i s i on, on the earliest open d ay a ft e r the Easter recess, the measure which he postponed on Tuesday evening lag, respecting an extension of the elective franchise? Sir DE LACY EVANS replied that it was his inten tion to press the measure, but if any unfore seen circum stance should ar i se t o p r event him,. the Noble L or d was at liberty t o b r i ng f orwar d the stilvect himselt. Lord NUGENT said the House would perhaps all ow him to giv e a con di t i ona l notice. That in the event o f his Hon. and G a ll ant F r i en d not considering it necessary to bring forward the question on an early day after Ea:ter, he sho u ld f ee l i t his duty to give notice that on au early clay after that period he should roc,No for leave to tirinr in a Dal to the &fleet that all occupiers of dwellink-houses assessed to the poor -rates or taxes, should be qualified to vote for Members of Parliament.—(Hear, hear.) ECCLESIASTICAL COMMISSION BILL. This Bili was read a first time. KILRUSH UNION. _ _ _ Mr. P. SCROPicalled the attention of the House to the social state of the union Of liilrusb, in the county of Clare, for the purpose of moving for the appointment of a Special Com' niesion to inquire into the same, and into he means that might be, adopted for its amelioration. He hoped that some suggestion might be made, or some plan devised by such a Commission, to rescue from starva tion and the grave the unhappy population of this union, which he said was situated at the western extreme of the county of Clarc, And formed an acute right angle. The populat:en was 80,000 in 1841, and the valuation in 1845 was something under 60,000/, and though it would appear to be a densely populated district, the average number of acres per head was considsrably larger than in many other unions. Captain Kennedy gave the folios% ing account of the population in 1845:—The Captain repre sented them to be a set of amphibious potato growing, fish collecting, and turf gathering p:- pula , ion. As had fishers as they were farmers, occupy ing potato land for which they paid three pounds an acre, although it was not worth fifcsen shillings, and subject to the casualties of the season, without receiving any assistance of their landlords. Assistance of that kind as a general rule was never given, and the landlords not only neglected their property, both as re gards their own interest and that of their tenants. No wonder then that a population so situated should have felt the pressure of the potato failure in 1846 with most overwhelming severity. Not only did they lose their means of subsistence, but they were ex• posed to the exorbitant rents which they had to pay. All classes, therefore, suffered, and it was not to be wondered at that when the relief granted by Par liament in 1846 and 1847 was afforded to them, the en tire population of the district should have rushed with one accord on the relief works. No wonder that there should have been a sort of general scramble for it, and that the expenditure on the occasion should have reachel an extraordinary magnitude. The House would hardly credit it, but he could assure them it was a face, that in the county of Clare alone the expenditure on the relief works was no less than 470,0004; and in the parish of Kilkenny alone the expenditure on the relief works reached to the enormous sum of 110,000/. The county of Clara was most remarkable for the amount of destitution, for the rapacity of its relief committees, and for the difficulty with which its destitu tion was relieved. In many instances the money in tended for the poor was withheld from them and distributed among the friends and favourites of the relief committees. In the year ending August, 1847 the union of Kilrush had actually received no less an amount of public money than 143,000/. If that money had been wisely expended he (Mr. P. Scrope) would hardly have objected to its being granted; but it was expended in a manner rather tending to increase the destitution of the district than to enable it to become sell supporting. In August, 1847, the board of guardians of Kilrush entered on their office, and in the preceding month of July no less a number than 51,000 of the in habitants had been relieved by the soup kitchen mode of relief. The Hon.Gestlernan then read several extracts from the reports of poor-law unions, in which it was stated that the whole of the business had been very loosely conducted, that the inmates were wanting every necessary, that 535 deaths had occurred in the several unions, that the arrears of poor-rates were prin cipally owing from the guardians themselves. The feet was, that the really destitute were made to give place to the able bodied. In the union of Ktlrush, on the sth c f January, there were 1,250 in the workhouse, but there were 7,000 and upwards of out• door paupers who were altogether without the commonest necessaries for the sustenance of physical exil i tence. The system adopted seemed to be to reverse the natural order of things. On this point Captain Kennedy remonstrated with the guardians, but unsuccessfully. The consequence was a frightful amount of mortality among the destitute evicted peasantry. Captain Kennedy's account stated that these evictions were carried to a great extent, and the misery and destitution had increased, in consequence, to an amount which the House would scarcely credit, unless it had studied the authentic documents on this subject. Captain Kennedy's picture of the awful effects of these evictions was frightful to read. He had said enough to show that a frightful amount of destitution had been produced by these evictions. The treatment of the poor man had really been most cruel. The ordi nary process of the law was not resortul to for the pur pose of ejecting him from his home, but his house was pulled down in his own presence, and he was thrown penny less upon the world. Captain Kennedy's reports gave frightful details of these evils, and many of his descriptions reminded them of the history of a savage race, rather than an;:account of the sufferings of a civilized people. The Honourable Member read several letters written from gentlemen in Ireland, depicting the destitu tion and misery which resulted to the popula tion from the system of eviction, many of them being wholly unable to obtain the means of subsistence, and betaking themselves to the ditches to languish and die. Those harrowing sights were most frequent in the western unions of Ireland. The amount of relief af forded was insufficient to maintain existence; therefore, he contended that it was not legal relief, or i❑ accord ance with the requirements of the law. He then pro ceeded to bear testimony to the amount of destitution existing in the union of Kilrush. No country ravaged by a hostile foe could bo reduced to a more appalling condition. If a hostile army had landed on the coast of Clare, the Government would have spared no expense to check its progress; but similar active steps had not been taken to check the progress of famine and cholera, which left desolate thousands of families. In such a manner, then, had the relief been given to those poor creatures during the last winter, and ho would ask the Noble Lord at the head of the Government who was responsible for the refusal to give relief to the poor in that union? By the English and Scotch Poor Law, those who adminis tered that law were held responsible for its proper admi nistration and answerable fur any deficiency in such ad ministration, and why should it not be so in - Ireland? In the Kilrush Union, during the years 1848 and 1849, the rates had only been collected to the amount of 4s. or 4s. Gd. in the pound, so that there seemed great neglect on the part of the guardians in that respect; but supposing that the local rates had been exhausted, was it not a casts in which Government ought to have come forward and not allowed the poor of that union to starve? In 1846, the then Secretary fn. Ireland, stated that the great object the Government had in view, and one which it n bound to carry out, was to see that not a single indi vidual should die of starvation in Ireland, and that sen timent was repeated by the Earl of Carlisle, in the House of Lords, in introducing the Rate-in-Aid Bill to that House; but he would take upon him to prove that since that lime thousands had died of starvation in Ireland, and hundreds in the union to which he was alluding. In 1837 there were two courses open for the Govern ment to pursue in affording relief to the Irish poor. They could hare either fully carried out the poor-law they had established, enforced payments of the rates made under that law, assessed rate after rate (in terms of the suggestien of Sir Charles Trevellyan) on the owners of land in Ireland, until they were either compelled to pay or give up their places to those who would, or they might have said to the dis tressed unions in Ireland, " You admit you are un able to fulfil the duties imposed upon you in respect of the poor, and you ask us to aid you in doing so. We will give you that aid, but we will give it you in such a form that you will soon become self-supporting. Wo will give it you in such a way as that it may be appropriated in the improvement of your district at the same time that it gives work and sustenance to your poor; but if you refuse to take the money, end lay it out in that manner, we will undertake your dtries; we will employ the poor with this money in the improvement of your estates, whether you consent or not, and then charge your pro perty with the expenditure." That was the principle laid down in respect of the relief granted to the High lands in 1846, and if the Government had acted on it in this instance, or even if they had adopted the other a 1: teruative, different and more favourable results would have followed. But insteal of doing either, they con tinued to dole out driblets of money from month to month, barely sufficient t) kcep the people alive, while they relieved the landlords and gave them an opportu nity to clesr their estates of the poor who were resident upon them. The proposal he now made was to appoint a Commission to inquire into those matte..s he had alluded to, which, if appointed, would, he had no doubt, .be the means of suggesting the adoption of such steps as would relieve the union he had alluded to from its present frightful condition. Mr. A. STAFFORD seconded the motion. Sir W. SOMERVILLE said, in replying to the Hon- Gentleman who bad just sat down, it would not be pos sible for him to allude to every particular he had brought forward. The Hon. Gentleman had had before him the long correspondence which had taken place on this sub ject contained in the various blue-books, and had gone into details on the different topics suggested by these, so that it was impossible, not knowing the particular points the Hon. Gentleman was to dilate upon, that he could answer specifically every point to which he had alluded, The correspondence contained in thote blue-books had been long under the consideration of the house, and from it could be traced the unfortunate position in which the Kilrush union was situated. No one could read that correspondence without feelings of regret and pain. while at the same time it must be clear to those who studied it that the situation of that union before the famine was not at all satisfactory, so that as an unavoid- able consequence that famine fell with increased and deverata severity on that union. What Government had had to do during and since the famine, was to re- lieve that distress so far as they were able. As to the distress which prevailed, he knew nothing more pain ful than many of Captain Kennedy's reports, and he might say, l in passing, that he thought the compliment the Hon. Gentleman bad paid to that gallant officer, was well and fully merited.—(Hear, hear.) There could, therefore, be no doubt that those reports were painful, not only, however, as detailing the misery which exited in the union, but also as detailing the low state of morals among the people resident in the union ;ii; frauds they had recourse to for the purpose of extorting relief, and . many other matters which he thought unfit to be recapitulated in that House. There were, therefore, many elements at work, all tending to augmet:t the dis tress; and prominent amonget these were the amount of evictions which had taken place in the union; and it was the very fact of those evictions taking place which in duced the Government in 1848 to pass the Act for the protection and relief of the destitute poor evicted from their dwellings in Ireland. The Hon. Gentleman was therefore wrong, when he accused the Government of doing nothing to shield the poor from the effects of those evictions. That Act might have failed in accomplish ing all that it was desirable it should have done, but it was adopted with the full intention of proteeting the poor, and to a considerable extent it did so. The,lon. Gentleman had said those evictions were carried on under the eye of the Government ; that Government stood calmly by and saw them carried out, and the poor driven helpless red homeless upon the world, but the Act ho had named refuted that statement; and he would ask the House would it have been right or proper for the Government to have stepped in, and prevented those who owned the soil taking possession of it from those who persisted in occupying it without paying any rent ? —(llear, hear.) He hoped he would not give utterance to a single word that would give the least encourage ment to such a system of evictions, but he thought it un fair on the Hon. Gentleman to charge the Government with indifference in not stepping in and !tclopting weal sures, which he was sure the Won. Gentleman himself would not be prepared to sanction. As to what occur xed the iiilrukin Union (Wring the autumn of last year, the Poor-law Commissioners considered that the elected board of guardians had not used the dili Bence they aught to have done in the collection of their rates, and they accordingly declined to afford theta any relief from the treasury. if they had done so, he thought, from the general tenour of the Honourable Gntieman's speech, that he would have been dissatisfied with their conduct, but in consequence of tl at refusal, the responsibility was thrown on the elected board of guardians, and the first stoppage of re lief detailed by the Hon. Gentleman had taken place; as to the second stoppage of relief in January last, the Poor-'aw Commissioners considered that the board of guardians, in causing it, had been guilty of an error in judgment rather than any desire on their part to deprive the poor of relief, and they, therefore, did not think it requisite to go to extreme measures with them. The Hon. Gentleman had concluded by moving for the ap pointment of a special commission on the subject. Now, he did not see to what practical benefit that would lead. Its duties could not be confined to the Kilrush union alone, but they must extend its operations is the other distressed unions; and certainly when he considered the numerous reports of commissions, and inspectors, and boards of guardians, which had been laid upon the table of the House in respect of the condition of those, he did not think that much additional information cuuld be got by appointing such a commission as that moved for. It would, in his opinion, give rise to hopes which never could be realised, aal do away with that feeling of self-reliance among the people, without which they could never expect t) see them attain any thing like prosperity. Ho would not say that any great ameliora tion in the condition of the Kilrush union bad taken place, but this he would say, that the rates in that union were now in steady course of collection; that the guardians of the poor were fully alive to their duty, and exerting themselves cordially and earnestly in the per formance of it. The rate collected in the union fur the week ending the 29th of December list amounted to 732/., and had since been going on more or less increas ing. For the two months ending January last the amount collected amounted to 4,656/., so that as far as the collection cf the rate was concerned matters were in a satisfactory state, and there was, besides, no lack of funds in the hands of the guardians for enabling them to afford relief. There bad been from time to time large ad vances male to the Kilrush union from the Treasury. During the two years ending the 29th of September asst, 23,000/. had been advanced to that union, and since the 29th September 5001. had been advanced to the union to enable the guardians to erect an addition to the work house, which addition had been erected, and was capa ble of affording additional accommodation to 575 indi viduals. Independent of all this there was still admi nistered a large amount of out-door relief, for he found that during the week ending the 23d of February last, there were 12,470 persons on the out-door relief list. In the whole of Ireland, on the 911 of February last there were 140,000 individuals in the receipt of out door relief ; of these 15,000 belonged to the unions in the province of Connaught, and 35 to the Kilrush union and the other unions in Clare. So far, then, as rates and workhouse accommodation was concerned matters were satisfactory, as regarded the Kilrush union, while at the same time there was an anxious desire evinced on the part of the guardians to do their duty. He Lelieved no practical result would follow if the motion were granted, and do not let them adopt a course which may be of no pos sible advantage whatever. He could assure his Hon. Friend that the Poor-law Commissioners had been watching, and would watch, the proceedings of the Kilrush union very carefully, and the guardians who administered its affairs. They had already an able of ficer on the spot in the person of Captain Kennedy, and if they were able to discover that they did not do their duty, such steps should be taken as the necessities of the union demanded. Mr. MONSELL said that from the latest accounts he had received the Kilrush union was getting worse instead of better, and unless the Government did something at once the state of the population will be dreadful. indeed. The assistant barrister of the court (Mr. Major,) in hold ing quarter sessions in Kilrush, some few days since, said that he never witnessed such patient agony of sufferings, which were beyond human endurance. Did his Right Honourable Friend the Chief Secretary for Ireland, know that the poor in that union were often compelled to come 16 and 20 miles for relief, and after wards allowed to go home without even having their claims investigated or receiving a single meal? What amelioration, therefore, can have occurred in the con dition of the people ? And if the union itself be in a beter state, or the poor-rates lower, it was because the people perished from sheer starvation. Surely if such a system were to be carried on no poor-rate at all would be necessary in a short time; but be appealed to the House and to the Government, whether it was right to improve the social condition of the people, or of the union, over the graves of hundreds, and perhaps thousands, of their fellow-creatures. He, himself, had been over the union, though not connected with it, and so much human misery as he saw it was impossible to conceive. For miles and miles nothing could be seen but a dreary waste; nothing to be witnessed like farms or farmers, and only a few patches here and there culti vated. Let not the House imagine that the people in that locality were not good 'about ers, fit he had been informed by Count Strelibekey that in the union of Belmurry, which was, except Kilrush, the worst part of Ireland, he had seen 350 men employed, under the in spection of an engineer from Plymouth, and any thine like the zeal and anxiety to perferna their laborious duties was never witnessed. The k!entletnan under whom they were employed informed the Count that, when he went into the locality, such was the miserable condition of the labouring poor that he had to feed those 350 men for a fortnight before they were able to go to work. Since VI, n nothing could be more praiseworthy than their cos - due'. He thought the ordinary operations of the law ought to be suspended in that union, and th e , manage ment of it given to Mr. Twistletou, or Count Sirelibekey, and let them apply its resources to draining, t migratior, or the cultivation of the land, and charge that land with the improvements so made, in order to give em ployment to the people. Something of that kind must be done, or the whole population-would be swept away. An Honourable Friend of his, a Member of that House, had been at Kilrush, and witnessed evictions, by one or two individuals, of the most he art rending description. A few days after being informed of what had Occurred, he (Mr. Monsen) visited the locality, and in a yard, not half the size of the flour of that llouse, saw seven, eight, and nine persons huddled in cabins, with no bed-elothes to cover them at night, having no bed to he on but the cold ground, and scarcely any clothing to cover them iu the day. Those poor creatures were exposed to such an accumulation of misery that he solemnly declared he thought one description sufficient to kill them. Fever raged in one or two of those cabins or sheds, and altogether it was impossible to witness without horror such a state of suffering in a Christian land. Surely neither the Govern ment nor the House would allow such a state of things to go on; and most certainly if some person was not sent down there, armed by law with abitrary and dictatorial powers for a season, and apply the labour in the district to the cultivation of the land, which was a perfect waste, the most fearful consequences must ensue.—(Hear, hoar) By doing that all would be benefitted; they would not have to be taxed in this country for advances made; the laud would be improved and the people saved from death. He entreated the Government not to disregard the pro. positions he hai suggested, and if a commission were allowed to down there to collect informa tion, as proposed by the motion of the Honourable Member for Stroud, it would not place the Govern ment in a worse position than it was at the pre sent moment. He believed the Right Honourable Gentleman the Secretary for Ireland, could not deny that under the existing state of things in KilruA thou. sands of lives must be sacrificed if some remedy were no proposed. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that the Hon. Gentle man who had just sat down made a speech and de scribed scenes that occurred in Kilrush that did great credit to his benevolent wishes to improve the condition of the union; but when he (Lord J. Russell) considered that the Hon. Gentleman proposed what Parliament and the Government should do, he owned it appeared to him to be, if possibly, a plan which would make the evil greater. What, in fact, he suggested, was this; that the people of Kilrush being in a miserable condi tion—that the landlords appearing to have grossly neg lected their duties, in ejecting and evicting the wretched tenants who had hitherto lived on means which no longer existed—that farmers being there without skill or capital to improve or cultivate the land, and were really but "scratching" the ground, as the Hon. Gentleman said, to secure a crop—that either through inability, or the fault of the poor-law guardians, they cannot obtain the smallest subsistence, and under these circumstances he proposed a plan for an alteration in a condition of things which ought not to be allowed to exist. What he proposed, then, was, that the State should step in and take the management of affairs into their hands which was usually done by individuals; that in the first place they should furnish all the necessary seeds for sowing, and the agricultural implements to se: the far mers to work; that they should advance the wages to enable men to cultivate the land properly, and having done all that, and gone to a vast expense, no doubt with the immediate benefits of producing good crops, and employing great numbers of the people, now living in a miserable way, the proprietors should afterwards come in, and enjoy the benefit of their lands, being im proved at such an expense, and the rents of persons, who had so grossly neglected their duties, increased by the state. Mr. MONSELL begged to explain that his plan was totally the reverse of what the Noble Lord stated. Wh at he suggested was, that fends should be raised from the electoral divisions of the unions, and the amount ex pended on the land itself, so far as to give employment to the people. If the rates so assessed were not paid, part of his suggestion was that the land should be sold. Lord JOHN RUSSELL contended that that plan would not meet the evil as the lion. Gentleman pro posed. At present, as the House was aware, it was one of those unions where rates sufficient to meet the wants of the people, or for their common sustenance, had not been raised, and surely it was quite impossibl e th at an additional by the lion. Gentleman. Itwas, in fact, the state wt- ' dert tking to farm the hind—to do that which private in dividuals ought to do—and thereby i ncurr i ng tin in creased responsibility, which no state ought to incur. He (Lord John Russell) had seen very lately some letters from a gentleman who travelled in the worst parts of the west and south of Ireland, in which he stated that a spirit and exertion were evinced, and a determination to employ the people in the cultivating and sowing the crops, highly enc ourag i ng, and which gave him very great hope of the future improvement of the country. It was also curious enough that he alluded in these letters to a statement of his (Lord John Rusasell's) in that House, in which he alleged that many parts of Ire land were rapidly improving, a statement which he says he deemed exaggerated when he read it, but was now convinced, from what passed under his own eye, that it was just and accurate. But if that House were to say, here was a union in which persons grossly neglected to have • perform their duties ; that union, however, s hall _ special fund, and the state shall undertake to forst re the farms, would they not say in other , iinic n e s ey e° Cas flu use sot them to exert themselves when Ono!. the neglected their duties were much better treated 7 00. state.—(Lear, hear.) The plan proposed by t n Gentleman nay ay have a good effect at presontbs,nt— e would but tt ne and misery for some ni result in the infliction of more s ei se d is jury, not only to Kilrush, b ut other distrreeated unions in Ireland. who would exp ect to be t oiser i in a similar m a nner. He regretted deeply the at say, and wretchedness which existed ; but he I niz " core evere i , ornie d what he was obliged to repeat, h a t there t fin exertions and certain duties t o be Pel;iesare which ought not arid cannot be left to any tenants one or any Government, duties of landlords and t hef to another, and both to the labourers by whore should be employed; and if these are not can per f o rm performed, no Legislature nor Government Can P oiog them. There was, however, a change now g 5 Acts under the operation of the Encumbered Fs tst e vi i r osh passed last session, which, if extended to the , distric t union, and if it so happened that estates in shot s could be sold under it, he believed, consid Os' tes, superabundant population did not exis t thereonbeir pitalists would find labourers quite ready to glv ( 1 05 40. bet exertions for nothing more than a fair a n t 010 rate remuneration. He believed that that / Ire l a nd; make a great change in the social condition 0 Ireland but he did not think that such a remedy as tistriPpleric,kl by the Honourable Member for the county ~ Wel that the lands in the union of liiru s " wou ld o tiste,.. nd be cultivated at the expense of the e _ on pl, of do nothing more than set a ver bad c Web, l ei 'os fered a mischievous precedent hereafter, w . 0 00 of improving, would make things much worse in parts of Ireland. Mr. HORSMAN being alluded to by his °lid 001 gi the Member for the county of Limerick, Wa e so bs few words. It was certainly his misfortuuroy present at certain scenes in Kilrush, and be v a c u el Os t Hived, that if they travelled Europe they Lesed on find such a concentration of misery es be W i tne ssed Se re ' that occasion. The Right Hon Gentleman t bs tary of State for Ireland said that one°l°Turretresa;v°l t m hi o ev n ene e .x y advanced to the distressed union s in ; —t- Preef rd teontCloafrem, i a s n e d ry w w a h s ic n h ot e t x h is a t t e l sul fic ' e rse n ble at the head of the Government obserTvebde• j'ot if thee ti tbe acceded to the proposition of his Elon Fr- end '„perlY would to taking that upon Reel' which r6itig7, l , longed to individuals. But were they, 0 1 0 0 ' every day, by advancing money to the distress why 0 1 and even to Kilrush at that very moment? and sift„trA then, step out of the ordinary course , "'"? relief to this distressed part of the coti at f e Y terfer i g Right Hon. Gentleman said they would be ho se with the rights of property; but was no t "irst P r A ll ; of more value? And if they went back &I ht ore ciplee, was human life to be sacrifice° dto to protect property? His Hon. Friend propos e es Ih e • I I: l3°C' • et° the union in a state of commission, that 20- 6 t he landlords had grossly neglected their dutY , ;,°. ought to seep in and save the lives of the p ing tha t t he his own part he believed from the beginn icg reeeter motion would not be acceded to by the Gover n . e tj r believed his Hon. Friend's purpose was t° raise s ti le mission, but something should be done to rennld to the of things which was a reproach to that Hou se country. , „Isla l c "e0 Mr HUME agreed in the general prinniFue:""ifbile' by the Noble Lord, but was it not worth the' r t otenni money a as already advanced, to obtain the ful le h s e t ation as to why so much distr 'led in t- t esl - Hon. Friend said that so much distress needs, if ess prevai A wn° , in the civilized world, and not' 66- pill ought they n oar j,oto to have an examination made en the spot, t° the landlords were in such a condition as I °,_ gelia be , to the people, and if not, that the lands su n " be tse" s o That he considered was a legitimate courseeteernnlells for when information was obtained, the ","" e re. therefore would be hoped in tl same condition N e ohiet or Lord at thetliey:erded th e the vernatent would gent the commission pr a y Colonel I)UNNE belived that no one in e h 0 be motion of isFriend. • t f e would refuse the commission, if they bored e c ; et? t he it would do any good. But what was its 0 7 e 00 4 the first place, to obtain facts. He s ubmitt e ,"feete_ e ir e 'od House was already in possession of t ufficieTg' - t ee the report of the board of guardians and °, l „, the e ed t ° ,„ of tjt cttd Tnh u hferoye information mn a hi a n oat d ndt tnah the e t f a n tdis o lyee c c hh o o iamnoddmu many e s a. s n i on whatever o ' ll° st e , bad not been acted upon, and objecty ot rA h e e msw r seat remedies ehttsoihcdehecivePih;slaeesie:b.r stets he most injuriously. One of these remedies vends 01'5, the management of the poor out of the lniii ll ard igli e el landlords, and to put it in the hands of Pa lci A ,g,„a h / 5 , ( 10 This had been the case in Kilrush a nd iSte to do any good. One propo.ition which ba d e ro e, by an Hon. Member he altogether diss ented of confiscating the property of the landlords. a t eeirkeo lords of Ireland had no more right to " of perty taken from them in that way in than 'ee e , etl o °,;,ii of this country. Nor were they, as a bode', idie en that pauperism which it was proposed to ea " from upon them, even to their ruin A f lle° tree Lord NAAS concurred in Much that 1in",,, - eet ir ge the Noble Lord, but, at the same time, ece i r: e tod odes were not called upon to institute an exPen 6h— se 2 e e;,:to devise y eh s vi t ic e sh m e hma o ed f a r ip) e sr l o i f e do f ur , c b iet u di t rs lll ettn. e c r ho e v ly gli : g o haen i td n i ic. q d u ire r° to i n 0 • t l i i fi s e d d a in e voting against mnoistefreye)f;:ieleprs,°_,llifejs'froi la from outer aLg s o o ar u idn re ht e e l rd . the spring vote° tduocoahut thata any u m : i b t o o i :p i l e ' ? e r e s A ef: i ti f e r :7 ' l l ° 3 advanced, he should not have motion.o J. RUSSELL—I did mention ya ri°lll Plurcei f f rom whence relief might be hoped for. oftd 01 0 Lord NAAS had understood the Noble the dte o t w e rh l di rc hre k chta fo din r ht t ee t r i e i vn s e r rn e ete l i i oe e nn f tel f yt r a o m the operatic ° Prosy and despairing of these producing such . 91 1 it re lia,irtr.), F b a elTa e l d fo a f nci th n e ot e forif°elnri gli etirl)l;;: e °llo of the existing distress as was imperative , / hi s should feel it his duty to support the motion::a he se- jo g Sir G. GREY said the Noble Lord oers..", o f fe e ,eo support of the motion entirely on his deer' . sP e i s ed the Government produce any particuiar a° eg t measure for the relief of the Kilrush uninn e salie s eet if that was a reasonable ground on widen ee del measure which he himself believed would " e at Of e b because it would raise expectations on th e o o P s ri ag e people who were now sunk in the deepest (1 n e oen 6 0 could not be fulfilled, and therefore w01ei,,,, ewe e ee:4o gravating the evil they all deplored. ' it • the motion of the Hon. Member for strcileer n is tf °o brought forward on two grounds, first, i° °l. p c jies. b et morniwwe which lest information; hd in ev,a f x. o sek r pr m iel ation; and second, to devise rern;euldthe-ele cfailtirteawdays beforepossibleinformation or thatfuller t the e fd li e t o ma u ji , s l : : :b i ce111.91. 1 it tors; and if any further i t nt e 'orm o a u t s io e n rovrae r ea fg e d n i t C ft ° o s. t w h , e s y no h t ad nec i e n ss t a h r e y to appoint a special Governi-eetneu.fo; who was mission to procure it.—(H •hear.) O t° 00 ° 4 of ear, Limerick, the country, and the Honourable Member ioreoffer.ajo Houseweil acquainted alltnotneodurwsibtlbe that 80tte.1135; mouth, who had been an e e-witness of t he „ e ges n e ile • which existed in it. Ife would sa that 50906700-npi• as to remedies that might bemade by these the in to Gentlemen would be eh more valuable th.' ire d nions of a Commissioner sent down r . 0 oitr bie fe .e ere these matters by the Government. But i" ti es' said he should support the motion, as his 11° „ e cis",(e 5 (Lord John Russell) had not promised any s h r pees`j e ti sure for the Kilrush union. True no e au f e ;oug htt feo ol were contemplated, but his Noble Frienoi, ho pe , se rli he thought, that there was ample ground ir t oji P i " o tici the operation of the meaeures they had n' re , 03 0: 3 and which were calculated to extend oraP l°), /I rif prosperity throughout the whole of the count,Tepov. f osb e been generally agreed that one great cause ? t he P plod sign t 0 e e° pat' and want of e o f landein p b l y oy o m w e n n e t r , was s wh o t o were o f 0 U u n ti d u b i r o those who live upon it, and were surrounded u t i 7 . s eelniivor ary difficulties; and further, that the only 10 1 o ho h that was, by selling the land free from t h ese tb° e rance3, and letting it pass into the band s ° that c„.l!ljer had capital, and who were willing to piOY 1 , . t he in the improvement and cultivation of the 0 1 d. O in that opinion the Government had pror s e c e ses ct 'tbe Parliament had passed the Encumbered 8 9 ' .. ." frov 3 , or, order to effect a legal release of estat e l e pit el I,fer possession of those who had neither thetheie ti es an perhaps, the will to employ labour, an d . 111 ,4 ,. 58 ,, or to those who bad botb.—(Hear, hear.) A t oe in' important measure, and should bo allovic" its fat li g i 10 3 ; rate before any premature judgment as 10 1 jbo 0%, the': fluence on the country was arrived at. ant ° Zee by portant and essential measure of improv e r:, he oft ; labour should be employed, and it ough t :r e refi ce mero n i voluntary G agency, not by the direct int' floe* entre' overnment.--:(Hear, hear.) But the (so WV for Montrose appeared to wish that th d e o f th ° should step in and confiscate the proper t i had not paid the poor-rates. e ateen t Mr. HUME—No, eo. her of gem too Sir G. GREY—WeII, then, the Non. o perai c t h e what he (Sir G. Grey) meant, that by t e rri es eta 0 : the Encumbered Estates Act those PrO c " who tb°s - transferred to new proprietor s , foot t he means of employing labour, and setting ne"rief foo t 06 improvements on which the real Po s rp, horpor l Country must depend.—(hear, hear.) tO 6 °o r Noble Lord opposite would not be ind uce 't we either 01. men . 5 0 0 . the motion by any idea that the Govern esi o fe indifferent to the amount of distress wPieforther.soo that they were not going to propose al could s o l a te auras when these might be required. Il e naus t 0 16 ; io„ ° him that such was not the case. And b e the liberty to correct what he considerel a e d to 0 11): which the Noble Lord had fallen. lie se e° ee t ha t i f that the resources of the Kilrush tini nn ° fact; .o exhausted. That did not appear to ti ,,,,ero ttO. 00 it were, the estates would come under petite Chaseut'get,' ge h e the Encumbered Estatcs Act, and wou ld 'o' alteration for the better. ' tion• be t i e Mr. IL HERBERT supported the mo el o f t eon' thought there was a dispositiou on the pal had to ie ol verurnent to underrate the t hniculues tl r s Y foini tell o r ra l ' ic tend with in Ireland. This WM 110 drnl j go 1 3° ber° Tbo bet on their part, hut it, wae not less true. ov iog, Baronet opposite was a gri at propertY 01 1 ,7 1 7 1 joap e r, eaki were districts in Ireland which, so fer str ee_., w to ; h id; were were growing r so r m e u this the li st ()I o i°ll they would, unless assisted, be found iri entiou thoessio . rupt unions. Among t iese he might " i n . _ 0 last?' tho There of Listowel, to which be had called atte c i t e (i d " ; rf on t ro i s n e i r. s e l l i bwetelErercleis9trictuseie fe! 4111: or s Ile quite understood the dillioulties.._'.."t if sett o f Noble Lord hail to deal, but he believed...ot'he Ot e r o or law was left to operate, as it did now- T e w ee e tio o se Listowel and Clonturk, with which ; o fev , quainted, it would reduce them to the 8 . _ Le d for_ceifed Kilrush. While on this sub j ect he win h ot 1. 01 . for moments to draw attenti on to a letter genve ontredioting the atik temen t s of the Xlm" IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT HOUSE OF LORDS, March 7. The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Wool f ack shortly before Fire o'clock. NEW PEERS. Lord LONDESBOROUGEL and Lord OVERSTONE took the oaths and their seat 6. Lord Londc3borough was intro duced by Lord Foley and Lord Eddisbury, and Lord Overston© by Lord Portman and Lord Campbell. . THE CASE OF THE REV. MR. DOBBIN. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said he had re. ceived a letter from the Rev. Mr. Dobbin, stating that the letter which he had recently read to their Lord ships was a forgery. The Rev. Gentleman did not, however, deny that he was the writer of the first letter which he had read to their Lordships, calling upon him to substantiate the statements he had made in his place in their Lordships' House. PETITIONS. Lord STANLEY presented a petition from the agriculturists of Ripon, praying for the imposition of a protective duty on foreign corn. lie gave notice that on Tuesday next Lord Redesdale would draw the at tention of their Lordships to the present depressed state of agriculture. The Elirl of ST. GERMANS presented a petition against the Sunday Trading Prevention Bill, the pro visions of which were tyrannical. He hoped the second reading of the Bill would not be pressed this evening. The Earl of HARROWBY said the Bill was founded on the report of a Committee of the House of Commons, and under such circumstances be thought it hardly fair to oppose the second reading cf the Bill. Ho should certainly press the second reading of the Bill this evening. The Duke of RICHMOND presented several petitions in favour of a Ten Hours' Bill and against the relay system; also some petitions complaining of agricultural distres.9, and praying for the re-enactment of protection; among others, one from Dorsetahire, from a public meeting. Lord PORTMAN should have taken the oppor tunity of expressing his regret that the meeting had been held, had it not been that a melancholy occurrence which had then taken place would soon become the sub ject of judicial investigation. The Duke of RICHMOND was sorry if any unfortu nate occurrence bad taken place, but he rejoiced that the meeting had been held by the farmers, who, they might depend upon it, would not suffer the Free-traders to ride roughshod over them. LORD-LIEUTENANCY OF IRELAND. The Earl of MOUNTCASHELL asked if it was true that the office of Lord-Lieutenant of Ireland was about to be abolished as had been stated. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE could give the Noble Earl no information as to what might be the future in tentions of• her Majesty's Governmen►, but he would re mind the Noble Earl that the office could only be abolished by Act of Parliament. REMOVAL OF OBSTRUCTIONS IN THE CORN TRADE (SCOTLAND) BILL. Lord BROUGHAiI moved the committal of this Bill. The Duke of RICHMOND urged the postponement of this Bill until May, in order to give time to consult the landlords of Scotland on the subject. Lord BROUGHAM had every wish that the Bill should receive the amplest consideration, but if he were to postpone it until May he would risk losing the Bill. He would move the committal now, and would not object to postpone the next stage until after Easter. The Earl of MINTO considered it important that time should be given to the people of Scotland to con sider the Bill. The Duke of RICHMOND would ho satisfied if time was given to consider the measure, which greatly affected the rights of the landlords of Scotland. BROUGHAM would not object to any delay which would not throw out the Bill. The Bill then passed through Committee. PARTY PROCESSIONS (IRELAND) BILL. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE moved the bringing up the report of the amendments to this Bill. He sug gested to the Noble Duke (Wellington) the propriety of permitting the report to be now received, and of moving the clause of which he had given notice on the third reading►. The Duke . of WELLINGTON agreed to the sugges tion of the Noble Marquis, and gave notice that on the third reading of the Bill he should move a clause pre venting any person appearing in arms in Ireland out of his house. Lord MONTEAGLE gave notice of his intention to move certain clause; on the third reading. The Earl of ELLENI3OROUGH suggested some verbal alterations in several of the clauses. The LORD CHANCELLOR explained the legal effect of the clauses as at present worded, and of the alterations suggested by the Noble Earl. After a short conversation, in which Earl Grey, the Marquis of Lansdowne, Lord Stanley, and Lord Beau mont took purt as to the legal meaning of the t,rms " shall," " will," and " may be lawful," Lord BROUGHAM suggested that his Noble Friends opposite should reconsider the wording of the Bill, for the purpose of making it uniform throughout. The Earl of ELLENBOROUGII gave notice that upon the third reading he would move an amendment on the second clause, which would give magistrates the same discretion with regard to attending the meetings, as they would have in publishing the proclamation. The, report was then received, and the third reading fixed for to -morrow (this day). SUNDAY TRADING BILL. The Earl of IIAItROWBY, on moving the second reading of the Sunday Trading Bill, said he would not enter into any ststerne-A on the subject, as it would be proposed to send the Bill to a Committee up-stairs. The Bill was then read a second time, and their Lord ships adjournel. HOUSE OF COMMONS, March 7. The ►SPEAKER took the Chair shortly before Four o'clock. PETITIONS. Several petitions were presented against Sunday labour in the Post-office; also several petitions in favour of the Marrive Bib. Sir W. PATTEN presented a petition from Lancaster in favour of county financial boards. Mr. B. HUGHES presented a petition from Carnar von to the same effect. Mr. MIJNTZ presentel a petition from Birmingham against the excise duty on paper and the advertisement and penny newspaper stamp duty. Mr. SPOONER presented a petition from Rugby in favour of county financial boards. Mr. HEYWOOD presented petitions from Chorley and other places in Lancashire praying for a reduction of the duty on ter. Mr. CHARTERIS presented several petitions from places in Scotland against the Marri age Bill. Mr. PLUMPTRE presented a petition from a place in Kent praying the House to take into consideration the remuneration given to surgeons in the Royal Navy. Mr. H. BERKELEY presented a petition from a place in Gloucestershire in favour of county financial boards; also petitions from Wakefield and Bristol in favour of the ballot. Mr. BUCK presented a petition from a place in De vonshire against the duty on tee. Mr. HUME presented a petition from a union in Yorkshire praying for the establishment of county financial boards; also petitions from Norwich and other . . place: against taxes on the diffusion of knowledge. Mr. PILK[NGTON presented a petition from a place in Lincolnshire praying for an alteration in the law of removal and settlement. Mr. BANKES presented a petition from Halifax in 'avour of a Ten Hours Bill. Mr.WRIGIIT presented a petition from Manchester signed by 19,000 persons, praying for a reduction of the duty on tea; also petitions from Galashiels and Dalkeith praying that an affirmation might be substi tuted for an oath where persons entertained a conscien tious objection to take the latter. Mr. MILES presentei a petition from Salisbury against the Marriage Bill. REAL PROPERTY. Mr. LOCKE KING gave notice that this day fortnight ho should move that, considering that the recent legis lation of the House hal conferred large benefits upon all classes but the landed interest, it was expedient to remove the existing restrictions on the transfer of real property, and allow real property to be bought and sold according to the same rule that prevailed in reference to personal property. ADMISSION OF JEWS INTO PARLIAMENT. Mr. P. WOOD gave notice that on an early day be should move the appointment of a Committee to search the journals of the House for any precedents which re late to the admission of Jews to a seat in the House without being previously sworn on the Holy Gospel; also to inquire into and report upon the circumstances under which Mr. Deedee, in 1833, was allowed to make an affirmation to the effect of the usual oaths on taking his seat; and to inquire into and report upon the legis lative enactments which allow Jews and persons not professing Christianity to make affirmation in courts of law, and be sworn on the Bible where malts on the Evangelists are usually reguired. LORD-LIEUTENANCY OF IRELAND. Mr. REYNOLDS gave notice, that at the sitting of the House to-morrow he should ask the Noble Lord at the head of the Government if it were the intention of Government to introduce or support during the present session of Parliament any measure fur the abolition ; , f the Lord-Lieutenancy of Ireland. SARAWAK. Mr. HUME gave notice that this day fortnight he should call the attention of the House to the proceedings of her Majesty's forces in Sarawak. He also took that opportunity of complaining that certain papers which he had moved for on the subject had not been presented to the House, and said it would be his duty to adopt some means fur securing obedience to the orders of the House. QUESTION OF PRIVILEGE Mr. B. OSBORNE wished to call the attention of the Houle to a matter of privilege. Ho had seen to-day in the Morning Chronicle an advertisement to the effect that the Hoe. Member for Cambridge intended to call the attention of the House to a matter that occurred in a recent debate in that House. He (Mr. B. Osborne) wished to know whether it was competent lOT the Hon. Member to comment upon a former debate. The SPEAKER staid au lion. Member could not comment on a former debate without transgressing the rules of the House. Mr. HUME asked whether it was proper for any Hon. Member to advertise in the public papers on such a subject ?—(Great laughter, which drowned the reply of the Speaker.) Mr. CAMPBELL said it was his intEntion to have come down to the House this day to call the attention of the House to a matter personal to himself, personal to the inhabitants of Kensington, and personal to the Hon. and Gallant Member for Middlesex (Mr. B. Osborne). thought in what took p l ace a s H h e ort ( tithea Mr. C go am h p e belD had suffered considerable misrepre sentation on two points at the hands of the Hon. and Glaitint Wallows The &at pvilit mil with ;demo