The Sun. — London, England, 1851-08-05 00:00:00

THE CRYSTAL PALACE. (From the Derbyshire Courier.) The recent vote of the House of Commons will, probably, lead to the adoption of as judicious an ar rangement with respect to this edifice as could, under all circumstances, be desired. It is evidently better to allow a little time before the ultimate destiny of the Crystal Palace is decided on. Once removed, like a gigantic oak, it cannot be replaced. Try, we say, the effects of its remaining as it is. If it should be found to produce serious incon venience to the courtly inhabitants of the distr ict—if it cannot be made to resist " the win ter's flaw "—if it is not appreciated or frequented by the numerous class for whose recreation and advantage we would princi pally retain it—then pull it do. And what makes us more inclined to suggest that the Crystal Palace should, at least, have a fair trial, is, that never, we think we may affirm within our recollection, have prognostications of evil been so entirely falsified as those which only a few months since were confidently uttered by some of those very parties who now op pose th e continuance of this ma g nificent edific e. We might fill our paper with a list of the evils which we were told must inevitably result from the Great Exhibition. Plague, pestilence, and famine were to attend its inauguration; revolution was to " dog its end ;" that portentous enemy of the British agri culturists, " the foreigner," after having ruined our own people by sending us too much fool, was about to break out in a new line of mis anthropic ferocity, and breed a famine in the land by his voracious capacities of consumption. But " the foreigner" was not only to deprive us of the food which he had previously, with malice prepense to ruin our agriculture, sent us, but he was also to im port (duty free) all kinds of unknown and unheard-of diseases, of which Milton's self was ignorant when he described the fall as entailing on man— " Convulsions, epilepsies, fierce catarrhs, Intestine stone and ulcer, colic pangs, Demoniac phreuzy, moaping melancholy, And moon-struck madness, pining atrophy, Msrasrnus, and wide-spreading pestilence." These, alas ! we have known and felt, but nameless horrors and revolting maladies such only as " fo reigners " are subject to, were to invade, for the first time, our shores. And then cur principles ! The food which our children should eat might be snatched from their lips, our bodies might be racked with un heard-of maladies, but, retaining our integrity, we might still be a happy people. But here were myriads of dark, designing democrats, full of "treasons, strata gems, and wiles," coming from every remote asylum of conspiracy to seduce the loyalty of the British public, and corrupt the social and political principles of Finsbury and the Tower Hamlets! Now, gentlemen alarmists, what has really happened? We have re cently made a pilgrimage to the Great Exhibition, to judge for ourselves. Of course we husbanded our scanty resources for the occasion, in fearful anticipa tion of the extraordinary outlay. But our fears have subsided. Our beef-steak and accompaniments, with bread at discretion, can—as we have great pleasure in assuring those of our friends who have not yet visited the World's Fair—be obtained for the customa ry half-crown. The " foreigners," it is true, wear beards to an awful extent, but though, in our opinion, not so well-looking as ourselves, they ap pear in tolerably good condition. The health of the metropolis has not deteriorated—the fees of the physicans remain as they were. At this pre sent time of writing there is no apparent symp tom of a revolution. In fact, just now, there is less talk about politics than usual. Well-conducted, plea sure-seeking, and pleasure-finding crowds, among whom the foreigners" are almost lost, frequent the Great Exhibition day by day. Sir Robert Inglis candidly admits that his fears have not been realised, though Colonel Sibthorp, like a consistent, high-principled statesman as he is, magnanimously refuses to be convinced. In the meantime, it is our conviction that the Exhibition has fully an swered the expectation of its most sanguine promoters. It has promoted much good feeling between distant nations. It has taught some lessons of kindliness to all. It has afforded to artizans and manufac turers many means of improvement in their several occupations. We shall learn much from our foreign friends; let us hope that they also may learn something from us. And last, not least, the " harm less amusement of the nation," which Dr. Johnson did not think a thing of small account, has been perhaps more extensively promoted than has ever before been known. We return, then, to the point from which we started, and say,—The Exhibition has had its trial and has succeeded, allow the Exhibition House its trial also. Festina lente. iMPO 7 ITANT CASE IN THE SCOTTISH COURTS.--TILE' VELASQUEZ PORTRAI7'. COURT OF SESSION, EDINBURGH, FIRST SNARE V. THE EARL Or FIFE'S TRUSTS. This case, which was a claim for damages at the instance of Mr. Snare against the trustees cf the Earl of Fife, relative to the celebrated portrait of Charles 1., by Velasquez, came on for trial before Lord Cowan and a jury on Saturday, and was con tinued on Monday last. In the summons it is stated, on behalf of Mr. Snare, who is a bookseller in Reading, that he pur chased tha pfcture at the sale of Mr. Benjamin Kent, Radley Hall, near Oxford, in October, 1845 ; that he bad exhibited it publicly in Reading and London, and that he had commenced exhibiting it publicly in Edinburgh, on the 15th of January, 1849, and continued the exhibition till the 31st of that month. At that pe riod a petition was presented to the sheriff substitute, at the instance of the trustees of the late Earl of Fife, praying his Lordship to grant a war rant to the clerk of the court to take possession of the picture, and retain the same until the right of property thereto was determined, on the ground, as they alleged, that it had been stolen or surreptitiously abstracted. On the same day on which the petition was presented, the sheriff substitute ex parte, without affording the pursuers an opportunity of being heard, pronounced a deliverance, prdering the petition and deliverance to be served on the pursuer, and in the meantime granting warrant to the clerk of court to take possession of the picture, according to the prayer of the petition. The sheriff clerk ac cordingly took possession of the picture. Imme diately thereafter the pursuer lodged a minute to the sheriff, craving him to appoint a hearing of parties, that the pursuer might have an opportunity of satisfying him that no grounds existed for so un warrantable a step, and also lodged answers to the petition. The pursuer also caused a protest to be served on the trustees. On the 26th February the sheriff, after hearing parties, recalled the interlo cutor of his substitute, and appointed the picture to be restored to the pursuer. The trustees afterwards presented a petition to the sheriff, praying him to grant them leave to advocate his judgment ; but this was refused, and he issued another interlocutor on the ai of March, appointing the picture to be restored. After this the trustees presented a note of suspension and interdict to the Lord Ordinary on the bills late on the evening of the 2d of March, 1849, in which, " con cealing the important fact that they had applied to the sheriff fur leave to advocate his judgment of the 26th February last, and that such leave had been re fused, they falsely asserted that the sheriff had granted possession ad interim , pending the advocation." The Lord Ordinary, , Aitliout hearing the pursuer, granted interdict to a limited extent ; but afterwards, when part i es were heard, he recalled the interdict. The trus tees next raised a summons of multiplepoinding in the a me of the sheriff clerk, which was e xecu t e d aga i ns t th e pursuer. These proceedings b e i ng persevere d i n, and the pursuer still deprived of the possession and use of his lawful property, his agent add resse d a l etter to the agents for the trustees on ' the 2nd M arc h, warn ingpursuers them that if the property was to h e longer withheld from him, on any pretext or denial whatever, he would hold th em re sponsible for the full value of the picture, as the same should be fixed by him. Notwithstanding this warning, however, th e trustees still continued their attempts to pr event the pursuer from obtaining possession of the picture till the 17th of March, when it was restored to him. a u these circumstances, the pursuer claimed damages for the los s 11 11 jASt e lfi d e te b f he had sustainedb those unwarrantable, le, and illegal proceedings. f ences c e e 'dera, after stating some preliminary de that the 131 : 12 that they bad every reason to believe, Fife, and in re was the property of James Earl of his possession at the time of his death; that it phased, their with the other effects of the trust estate, into possessien as trustees under the trust disposition James Earl of Fife and deed of settlement of bee__abstracted knowledge or cons ent, and was without their or stolen. The , P icture may have but their attention was o n nl . exhibited in London, by its exhibition in E a T na t t r ra i cted to the matter tive declaration that the ; P-eolreghl' and the posi collection of James Earl of p ile, a aa b c llonged to the ns belonged to them, as they had never pa c r o ted equen consequently or any other pictures belonging t o th e estate. with it, tine appears in a catalogue preparedand printeedpifc the E trl of Fife himself the year 18 07, as being or Fife-house. After the Earl's death Fife-hou se in at Whitehall, with every thin g . therein contai ne including the pictur e in question, was taken possession of by the defenders. Fife-11m m V 7,14 thereafter sold by them in the sear 1812. Immediately before the sale orders were giv en by them to pack up the picture in question, along with the other pictures, plate, and wines, and trans mit them to Duff-house, in Banffshire, and other hour s in Scotland belonging to, though not inhabited bk`,. (ha 440ftiers. i .Itinust hare been about this time ,v." dirt.,46-thOtroftlief tfeture was effected, for alt hou g h -it „ p_rov that the picture wese in Cafe-house, at 4 ub.lecivant to the 'late Earl's death, no trace can be - 6,:gted Of its having been ever seen in this coun '!` daftgdpra dal that cu tha Ficezaga• . THE SUN, ings taken there can be any claim of damages founded, and also that the pursuer had suffered severe pecuniary loss. It was understood that the exhibition of the picture did not pay ; and the notoriety which it subsequently obtained from the defenders' proceed ings caused a large increase of visitors after the exhi bition was re-opened, which more than compensated the pursuer for the temporary inconvenience to which he had been put. The sole object of the defenders' proceedings was the safe custody of the picture, until the question of right should be determined. The case went to trial on the following issues : " 1. Whether, on or about the 31st day of January, 1849, the defendants wrongfully applied for and ob tained from the sheriff-substitute of the county of Edinburgh the warrant set forth in a schedule annexed, and wrongfully caused the same to be executed, and the picture therein referred to to be seized and removed from the custody or possession of the pursuer, in virtue or under colour of the said warrant, to the loss, injury, and damage of the pursuer ? "2. Whether the defenders wrongfully detained and withheld the said picture, or caused the same to he detained and withheld from the pursuer, from, on, or about the said 31st of January, 1849, till on or about the 17th day of Mirch following, to the loss, injury, and damage of the pursuer ?" Damages were laid at 5,0001. On Saturday various witnesses were examined, and counsel having been heard, Lord Cowan c h arge d the jury at considerable length, after which they retired, and returned into court with a verdict for the pursuer on both issues, awarding damages to the amount of 1,0001., irrespec tive of solatium, which they did not take into consi deration. The Solicitor-General took exceptian to a part of the judge's charge, to the effect that the jury, in as sessing the damages, if they were of opinion that the warrant was wrongously obtained, were entitled to take into consideration the injury that the pursuer's business had sustained, provided it had been proved to their satisfaction that such injury flowed from these proceedings Counsel for the pursuer, John Inglis, Esq., and George Young, Esq. ; Mr. James Lamond, agent. Counsel for the defenders, the Solicitor-General and E. D. Sandford, Esq. , Messrs. Inglis and Burn, agents. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. ROUSE OF LORDS, August 4. The LORI) CHANCELLOR took his scat on the Woolsack at Five o'clock. CHANCERY REFORII. The Earl of HARRINGTUN moved for certain papers relating to reform in the Court of Chancery. Tho Noble Earl in the course of his spoech contended that the granting of law reform was absolutely neces , ary, not only for the advantage of the suitors, but as a compensa tion to the landed interest for the repeal of the corn-laws. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE reminded the Noble Earl that according to the rules of that House he could not bring forward his motion without notice. The Earl of HARRINGTON gave notice that he would move for the papers to-morrow. The Duke of RIC[III,IOND complained that a Bill which had been sent down to the [louse of Commons for doing away with a sinecure office had not been pro ceeded with, although three mouths had elapsed since it had been sent down. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE explained. The Duke of WELLINGTON presented a petition from Croydon for the preservation of the Crystal Palace. Messengers from the House of Commons brought up numerous Bills, which were respectively read a first time. Earl FORTESCUE presented a petition from Honi ton, praying for the retention of the Crystal Palace. Lord BEAUII.ONr presented several petitions frcm Yorkshire with a similar prayer. The Earl of MAL AIES - BURY presented several petitions with a similar prayer, but ho thought that if any agreement had been entered into for its removal it ought to be removed. He saw nothing in the architec• tural character of it to call for its retention, and he could not see what interest persons residing in the country could have in its retention. Also a petition from Worthing praying that that town might not bo in cluded in the Health of Towns Bill. He thought it would be advisable that the town of Worthing should be excluded from the operation of the Health of Towns Bill. The Earl of CARLISLE presented a petition from certain inhabitants of Worthing, s!ating that the drainage was most defective, that the smells and odours left upon the beach in consequence of the defective drainage were most offensive, and praying that Worthing might be in cluded in the Bill. The Earl of MALMESBURY said that the majority of the rate-payers were against the Health of Towns Bill. After a few words from the Earl of SHAFTESBURY and Lord FOLEY, Lord BEAUMONT said he was sorry to see that the Board of Health was adopting a course which rendered them generally unpopular. They ought to come forward with a general Bill instead of adopting a bit-by-bit legis lation. The Earl of CAB,LISLE explained. The Earl of SHAF TESBURY said that it was no fault of the Board of Health► that the system had been adopted of which the Noble Lord complained. After some further conversation, The Earl of HARROWBY presented a petition from Blackburn against the Bill, and praying that it might be referred to the Standing Orders Committee. GENERAL BOARD OF HEALTH (No. 2 A) BILL. On the motion for the second reading of this Bill, _ The Marquis of SALISBURY presented a petitim from Hertford. praying to be exempted from the opera tion of the Bill. The Noble Marquis then proceeded to oppose the Bill on general grounds, and particularly with reference to its effect on the town of Hertford. Lord STANLEY of ALDERLEY protested against the hasty manner in which the Bill had boen forced u?on towns the populations of which were altogether oppcsed to its application to themselves. In one case, both the representatives of a town had voted against it, and yet that very town was included in a Bill thus sent up to their Lordships within three days of its prorogation. The Earl of WALDEGRAVE rose to present peti tions from Bristol and Hull against the Bill, but Wai in formed that he could not do so consistently with the rules of the House. Tne Noble Earl then proceeded to oppose the Bill. Lord REDESDALE said it would be gratifying to the towns which were disinclined to receive the Bill, if the Board of Health would not proceed further with the Bill this session. At this late period it would be im possible to give it due consideration, and at all events all the towns which objected to it ought to be excluded from its operation. The Earl of SHAFTESBURY defended the applica tion of the Bill to Hertford. There was no town which had greater need of sanitary reform. Earl PO WIS urged the postponement of the Bill till next session. The Earl of CARLISLE admitted that there was somo force in the argument with reference to the lateness of the period, and was, therefore, inclined to recommend, though with some reluctance, the exemption of Hem, ford and Worthing from the operation of the Bill, But there could be no objection to proceeding with the Bill, if its operation were confined to those towns which did not object to it. After some conversation, _ _ The Earl of SHAF lESI%rRY consented to the ocurso proposed, and The Bill was read a second time. EMIGRATION ADVANCES (DISTRESSED DIS TRICTS, SCOTLAND) BILL. _ _ Earl MINTO moved the second reading of this Bill. The Duke of NEWCASTLE objected to the Bill, because it was intended to divert funds raised last year by the Government, under the sanction of an Act of Parliament, fur the purpose of promoting the drainage of lauds in England and Ireland. After some further conversation, The Bill was read a second time. Lord MONTEAGLE said ho wished to ask the Noble Lord the Secretary for the Colonies whether any in struction had been bent out to the Governor of the Cape of Good Hope in respect to the constitution of thst colony, subsequent to the papers already before the House? Earl GREY was understood to say that he was in daily expectation of receiving a mail tram the Cape of Goad Hope, and he thought that it would be extremely inconvenient that ho should then make a statement with respect to papers which he was not prepared to lay be fore the House. METROPOLITAN INTERMENT BILL. The Earl of CARLISLE haring moved the second reading of this Bill, The Bishop of LONDON said he regretted that some comprehensive measure had not been introduced for the prevention of intramural interment, but he thought that no Bill ought to be adopted for the abolishing that indecent practice without giving compensation to the parties interested in the existing church yards. He was sure that their Lordships had no desire to deprive the parochial clergy of the small pittance which they received in the shape of burial fees, and which formed in many instances their only livelihood, without affording them some substitute for that loss. He should take that opportunity of returning his thanks, and the thanks of the clergy over whom he presided, to the Noble Earl opposite (the Earl of Shaftesbury) for his great efforts in carrying out sanitary improvements. He had long believed—and the experience of every year had only tended to confirm him in the impression—that although they might build churches and establish schools, they would do little good in the great towns unless they could remove a considerable portion of the evils which had sunk the labouring classes of this coun try into the lowest . depths of degradation, and which had prevented them from obtaining access to the sources of spiritual lire and consolation. He believed that one of the most important objects that could engage the attention of a Christian Legislature was the amelioration of the physical condition of their poorer brethren, by the improvement of their dwellings, and other measures for extending their domestic enjoyments. Earl GREY said, that he cordially concurred with the Right Rev. Prelate in the tribute to the Noble Earl opposite for his services in the cause of sanitary reform; and he also concurred with him in regretting that some effectual measure had not been adopted at an earlier period fur the prevention of intramural interment; but he hoped that their Lordships would withhold their opi nion as to the conduct of the Government in the matter until the papers with respect to it should have been laid before the House. The Earl of SHAFTESBURY said ho feared that the Bill would not effectually insure the objects for which it had been framed. He wished to take that opportunity of protesting against a statement which had been made upon the subject in another place by a member of the Government. It had been said that the Board of Health had asked for a sum of money, with a view to promote extramural interment; but he could assure their Lord ships that that Board had not only not made any such request, but that they had entirely disapproved of the means by which it had been proposed that money should be raised for the purpose. The Government themselves had thought proper to entrust to the Board the arrange ments for the adoption of a system of extramural inter ment, and ho could assure their Lordships that the members of that Board had had no pleasing task to per form, in spending a very considerable portion of their time in inquiring into facts of the most revolting cha racter, and in collecting evidence which , although it might seldom be read by the public, could never be for gotten by those who had heard it. The Board had cer tainly thought that, under these circumstances, the Go vernment would have given them an honest and con scientious support, and would have helped to extricate them from difficulties which were not of their own crea tion, instead of contributing to accumulate upon them public odium. The Earl of CARLISLE said he could not go into the consideration of what had taken place in the other House, not knowing the circumstances under which any observations might have been made; but ho could cur te.inly say no intentionally disrespectful remark towards his Noble Friend had been used by him. Indeed it would be impossible to watch the course of the public life of his Noble Friend, and not acknowledge how much was duo to his exertions in the cause of sanitary reform; and whatever were the result of the present Bill, he (the Earl of Carlisle) could not forget what benefit his Noble Friend and his colleligues had conferred on the cause of the public health.—(Bear, hear.) Very few could be aware of the great difficulties which existed in the way of bringing that Act into operation. The public were often disposed to urge upon Government to take up cer tain measures, and then when difficulties started up the public were too often apt to become not only lukewarm in their support, but oven opponents to the Government. As to the present measure, notwithstanding all the diffi culties which surrounded it, the advantages in the end would be found so great that it would ultimately be suc ceesful. The Earl of HARROWBY said it did not appear to the House what were the advantages to be derived from that Bill. It would put the Board of Healthfee-ward as a trading company, but the question remained to be solved, was it desirable to put the Board of Health in that position? He thought they should have a more dibtinA statement of the advantage which were expected LONDON, TUESDAY EVENING, AUGUST 5, 1851. THE GREAT EXHIBITION. The police returns of yesterday show an attendance of visitors at the Crystal Palace quite up to the general average. The following are the numbers up so five o'o'clock At 11 o'clock At 12 o'clock At 1 o'clock At 2 o'clock At 3 o'cicck At 4 o'clock At 5 o'clock ... 20,894 . . 33,449 ... 50,156 ... 56,320 ... 59,145 ... 61,329 ... 62,265 The number of season tiekets disposed of realised the sum of 221. The money taken at the doors from the other visitors amounted to 3,006/. 183., making a total receipt of 3,0281. 18s. The total number of ♦isitors was 62,631. The thermometer stood throughout the day at 80. PARIS AND ROUEN RAILWAY. The half-yearly general meeting of the shareholders of this company took place in Paris on Thursday, M. de l'Espie, the president, iu the chair. Near him were seated the following directors :—Sir John Easthope, Mr. Reed, Mr. Geo. Lawrence, Mr. Blount, M. C. Laffitte, M. de Kersaint, M. Simons, and M. N. Duchdtel. The meeting being declared duly constituted, M. Tin- BIUDEAII, the secretary, preceeded to read the report: — This document commences by stating that the esta blishment-account, np to the 31st of December last, had amounted to 67,222,3921. 98c. Since then there has been expended a sum of 1,1261. 75e., and received from sale of ground, &e., 4,8831. 25c. ; so that, up to June 30, the whole amount is 67,218,631 f. 48c. The question of the indemnity for the devastations committed in February, 1848, has not yet been regu lated. The committee appointed to estimate the amount of damage done, conceiving that it was called on to examine only what had occurred in the depart ment of the Seine, and finding that part of the injury done to the railways had been inflicted in other depart. ments, had resolved that the documents relating to these matters should be transmitted to the Minister of Public Works. The Minister had, in his turn, referred the question to the central railway committee, which had just issued an opinion favourable to 'the claims preferred, and so the matter rested at present. The approbation of the Government had been at last obtained for the changes voted at the general meeting of Jan. 31, 1850, relative to the sinking-fund. In consequence of these modiffcations, the sum to be now set apart annually for the sinking-fund would amount to only 25,000 francs, in place of 360,000 francs as previously. Fifty shares were to be paid off every drawing, with a sum of 500 francs each, and in place cf each of these shares was to be given an action de jouissance, entitling the holder to a share of all dividend over 5 per cent., or 25 francs per share. The shares to be paid off wore to be drawn by lot, and the company had determined to adopt for the purpose the plan practised by the city of Paris, in designating such of its bonds as were to be reimbursed. The first drawing was to take place in presence cf the shareholders then assembled. The report next refers to the results of the working during the last six months. The receipts from January 1 to June 30, 1851, mounted to 4,053,2011. 65c. ; and the expenses to 2,862,4101. 6e. ; leaving a profit of 1,190,791 f. 590., which, after the payment of interest of the sum kept back for sinking-fand, foundation shares, &c., gave a dividend of 16f. per share. As the interest of 5 per cent. on each share would amount to 121. 50e. for the half-year, the dividend for each action de jouissance would amount to 31. 50e. Comparing the results of the working of the last six months with the corresponding period of 1850, the receipts of the half-year of 1851 show an augmenta tion of 120,1761. 20c., of which sum passengers give 80,1301. Sc., whilst the expenses of the half-year of 1851 show an augmentation of 123,726 f. 34e., of which sum the greatest portion is down for increased interest be come due to the state. The report then remarks on the constantly increasing tendency of the working to lower the goods' tariffs, that course being necessitated by the competition arising both from other railways, and by the river navigation. The in creased facilities of communication between Dieppe and Brighton, and Havre and Southampton, are next alluded to, and are stated to have been attended with such suc cess, that from 30 passengers per day for the former line, the number had increased in June to 177, the goods' traffic having also augmented very considerably. The report remarks on the annoyance which passenger* meet with at the custom-houses of Southampton, and New haven, arid contrasts with the delays caused the infi nitely greater liberality of the authorities in France. The plea.ure-trains had not succeeded in so marked a manner as in 1850, and the experience of June had induced the company to suppress the Wednesday trains, only one now leaving Paris on the Saturday. The lawsuit which had been pending for upwards of fire years between the Rouen company and the boatmen of the Seine has been lately de cided by the Court of Appeal of Orleans in favour of the company. The circular railway round Paris, to connect the various lines together, had now been definitely decided on, and would be shortly commenced. Mr. Charles Law rence, one of the directors, had given i❑ his resignation for private reasons, and the board had previously elected his son, Mr. George Lawrence, in his place. M. Paul Benoist d'Azy had been designated by lot, as the other outgoing director. The meeting would have to decide whether the two gentlemen just named should not con tinue to serve. Te report having been read, the accounts were ap proved of, and the dividend of 16f. voted, payable on and after August 4 at the office of the company. The meeting having to decide on the nomination of two directors, confirmed the appointment of Mr. George Lawrence, in the place of his father, Mr. Charles Law rence, who had resigned, and re-elected M. Paul Benoist A Shareholder expressed a desire to receive some information relative to the working of the Dieppe line. The Chairman replied that the arrangement with the Dieppe Company was as yet of too recent a date to allow the ultimate results to be exactly estimated. Yet he could affirm that up to the present moment there was no reason to complain. The receipts on the Dieppe line bad, like those of the Rouen line, felt the effects of the uncertainty of political affairs in the country. Every thing languished to a certain extent, and railways suffered us well as other enterprises. Still, up to the present time, he could repeat, the arrangement in ques tion held out favourable hopes for the future. The drawing of 50 shares to be paid off, as stated in the report, was then proceeded to, when the following were the numbers announced:-11,257, 29,573, 43,361, 57,449, 21.536, 55,289, 50,135, 65,667, 47,006, 27,285, 29,253, 5, 0 87, 202, 2,155, 65,476, 37,228, 68,228, 9 ,623, 6,965, 6,321, 23,833, 55,984, 20,715, 46,506, 25,544, 62,782, 66,870, 12,836, 16,575, 57,074, 41,419, 40,189, 9,432, 30,936, 2,625, 71,376, 61,116, 29.576, 58,514, 2 ,231, 19,473, 35,590, 7,719, 4,841, 55,976, 5.../,052, oi 60,899, 34,334, 284. The meeting then separated. CHANGE OF AIR AT HOME. Patients who go abroad for benefit of health too often forget that change of climate can do little more than place them under circumstances more favourable to their efforts, by fit regulation of their time and diet, an d by use of prescribed remedies, to re-establish health. They embark for &me at Nice, throwing the doctor overboard, expecting climate to du all : climate then fails, and as a rumedy, it comes to to pro nounced a piece of quackery. As a specific, as a sole remedy, no doubt it is, on the whole, as much a quack remedy as :orison's Pill; that pill contains in gredients of use in their right place r Quackery con sists, not in any thought or thing, but in the method of employing ir. We say, then, that the Sanatorium, proposed by Mr. Paxton, though not wanted by the healthy, and of use only to some among the sick, are institution s w hi c h may b e es t a blished as most valuable auxiliaries to the doctor. They will not super sede all travel among invalids; although we call it travelling . " for change of air, " it is not change of ce tar there benefit.arn not a air alone by which h the patient who can travel and re ness mode i : f oftent r travelling e a l lei n fe t e first place, he gets a sea voyage, u ng rative wsick men and women whom that improvesprocess,in health. The sea-sick causing a constant action of the The rolling of the ship, , taken emuscles of the body, bee and Unconsciously, which been called a sort of ex g e th rci of tun ton e. exett T ch h au en ; t e h a e a r tl e d isth e no ivseysheciaryclutitemiLtrgi . f .ei chance i of the voyage to amuse the mind. Travel involves, then, change of scene, a constant invitation of the mind to look without, and to forget to porn over the body's ail ments. Sights are strange, and sounds are strange ; the English ear is plunged into a bath of French or Italian chatter. Settled abroad, the patient's climate is not shut up in a glass-house, with a collection of plants soon familiar ; he wanders under open sky, in town streets, among picturesque and novel costumes, over hill and dale, by sea and river side. He takes the diet of the country so far as it suits him ; eats the birds and fishes, or the fruits, perhaps, of the climate he has sought. To be sure, coots might supply each Sa nitorium with an ordinary of the dishes of the climate, for those patients not under peculiar regimen; but the house and the glass building, with the flowers, the food, and air of Italy, walked into from a street door, must inevitably want a very of ca t d h i o l se accessories to travel which are to many invalids the most important elements of large perhaps numberin Piccadilly, ic ly, cure. Not even ten miles of panorama in the hall, starting from London-bridge, exhibited before the neo phyte, would be a substitute for the preparatory jour ney. A " Madeira Sanitorium" near Regent's-park, would poorly imitate the ripple of the waves and the warm sea- breezes of that very wholesome island. This is not said, however, with the least feeling of discourage. ment towards the propositions made by Mr. Paxton. His project is no complete substitute for foreign travel, no encroachment upon foreign innkeepers, or invasion made on our domestic doctors. It simply professes, that if change of climate be auxiliary to medicine in certain cases of disease, that change can be provided here in England, here in London, for those patients who either are past bearing the fatigues of travel, or are too poor for the expense of travel, or who cannot travel without losing the advantage of that medical assist ance in which they have most reason to repose their trust. This proposition could not have been made fifty years ago, or if made, the necessary arrangements could not have been carried out. It is made now, when it is strictly practicable, and deserves of all men serious at tention.—Dickens's " Household Words." FASHIONS FOR AUGUST. (From La Follet.) Independent of the mania for locomotion which prevails in all quarters of the world, and 'covers the ocean with vessels bearing the anxious travellers to the Crystal Palace, the moment has now arrived when the fashionable watering places, with their sea-baths, are completing the migration of all that was left amongst us of elegant society. Boulogne, Dieppe, and Trouville, have the privi lege of attracting the greater number of Parisiennes, who would unite, with the benefit of sea air and bathing, the charm of society and fashionable amuse ments. It is for these destinations that the present charming variety of elegant toilettes are being pre pared. Morning negliges are composed of peignoirs with their vestes, or pelernies chales of jean, quilting, va lencia of toile cashemire, in shades, grey, dust coloured, and pale brown ; the greater part are trimmed with broad braids, and lined with pink or blue taffetas. A second slecAre is worn under the pagode of the redingotes of the same material, but tight, with a small turn-up cuff trimmed with braid ; the same trimming iu two or three rows forms a ruche round the throat ; a small plaid cravat, fixed with a large enamel or frosted silver brooch ; and an embroidered muslin cap, richly trimmed with strings of the same, or ribbon to match, the toques, which takes the place of the bandeaux until the hour of dressing. Capelines of taffetas, embroidered muslin, or coloured jaconot, with large curtain, protecting the face most suc cessfully from the sun or wind, are much worn in morning promenades. Large scarf shawls of plain cashemire in blue, green, or grey, trimmed with a deep fringe, surmounted by a very broad velvet, with two or three rows of narrow on each side, either black or of the same colour as the shawl, but of a much deeper shade, completes this toilette. As it is often cold at the sea side, the mantelet scarfs are slightly wadded. At the hour of promenade the sea-side nearly re sembles the grand walk of the Tuilleries, ladies and children displaying all the richness and grace of the Parisienne toilette. Robes of chine, pekin pompa dour, taffetas d'ltalie, grenadine, or barege, have flounces printed in designs of wreaths of roses, honey suckle, lilac—indeed, all kinds of graceful flowers, whose colours harmonise so well on grounds of grey, white, or sea-green. With this style of robe is worn the mantelet. Maintenon, with its triple garniture of black lace upon dark-coloured taffetas, or white lace upon lighter shades; the Mathilde mantelet, with its drawn ribbons mixed with guipure of the same shade as the mantelet, the cut of which so gracefully delineates the waist, that it appears an at tribute of all young and elegant ladies. The mante let Valerie of white taffetas, or gerenadine, with its beautiful embroideries in silk, or mixed soutaches, with deep headings which float as light as lace; or the mantille and a louse of black lace, with a wide trimming. This mantille, both for shape and elegant negligee ' is suitable for all toilettes. We must not forget the large square shawl of black lace, or rounded in front, forming a shawl behind and mantelet in front being Equally fashionable this season. MOst ofihedresses are now made with two bodies, in order to form double dresses, yet not to greatly in crease the luggage. The low body has a berthe descending en cceur, the front trimmed with bows of ribbon, passemen terie and bouillonnes, matching the trimming on the short sleeves and skirt. The high bodies are often made with basquines, cut in indentations • the sleeves match, and are sometimes upon the whole length of the arm, and fastened at intervals with bows of rib bon or buttons. This kind of Spanish sleeve is a very pretty novelty and an agreeable change to the uni tbrenity of the pagodes, which, however, are still the fashion. When the btrquines bodies are open in front a small embroidered waistcoat is added, the buttons of which are of pearl, amethyst, turquoise, or eme ralds. These waistcoats, which appeared at first rather venturesome, derive all their distinction from the happy manner in which they are combined. Their shades should never be striking, but soft, and harmonising with the dress. The most elegant are open en cceur, embroidered, with a double row of buttons on each side. This style, which is rather Oriental, has a good effect. A very clear muslin chemi sette, or one composed entirely of lace, with large bouffantes under sleeves, with narrow wristbands, accompany this toilette. We must now speak of bonnets which have their importance at the seaside, being made for all cir cumstances, for heat, cold, wind, and sun. First, there are the coarse straws, the simplicity of which is relieved by the magnificent bows of plaid ribbons, double curtains, and broad strings, giving them the seal of distinction and fashion. Some are trimmed with dark blue or green velvet, mixed with open straw ribbon. The upper curtain is of velvet, the under one of straw. The strings are of broad velvet, and the inside is trimmed with toques to match the outside trimming, mixed with corn and straw foliage iu straw. Other bonnets, of coarse straw, are simply trimmed with a ribbon of straw ; curtain and inside alike ; the strings only being of taffetas, either white or straw coloured. This trimming has the advantage of withstanding the ill effects of rain or sun. For more recherche toilette, Leghorn and Swiss straws are worn. The manner alone of placing the straw curtain requires a talent which is confined to our great houses, and renders these bonnets quite a-la mode. The trimming is composed of a single bou quet of garden flowers, mixed with lighter flowers of the field, which fall gracefully on one side of the bonnet. The inside is trimmed to match. Some of the bouquets are of very dark poppies, mixed with ribbon grass ; others of rhododendrum placed on each side, and buds of the same flower inside ; or bouquets of roses, May jasmine, with a wreath to match in side. We have never observed the strings to bonnets worn as wide as they are at present. In order to render to render the light and drawn bonnets more serviceable in windy weather, a kind of lattice-work of fine whalebone covered with ribbon or taffetas is placed inside. The colour of these auxiliaries is the same as the tips of the ostrich feathers which trim the outside. We must now mention the cavalcador. Here is one of those sonorous words with which the Castilian lan guage abounds. It is no longer the casaweck of the north, the English jacket, the juste. au• corps of Louis XIII., or the casaque dieppoise, that our fasbionables decide to wear with the waistcoat before mentioned ; for it is necessary to have some kind of pardessus with this novelty ; but this time the pattern has been sought in the sunny zone of Andalusia—it is bor rowed from the graceful cavalieres of that poetic country, and produced under the name of cavalca dors, very open. on the uppgr part of the chest, and buttoned at the waist with three buttons only ; short sleeves a la Grecque, displaying the under sleeves, formed of three graduated puffs which reach the wrist, round which it is fastened. The cavalcador is generally of the same material as the dress. The buttons are small and banging, of steel or engraved or chased silver. Travelling dresses of alpaca are trimmed with one very deep flounce over, and on which is placed rows of narrow v"4vet. Ti'e peigiloirs of jean are fastened with narrow velvets and 'orandebourgs. The foulards, which are in great reviest at the present moment (and justly so, for their I:7E:shness and novelty of design is exqui site), are trims ned with deep picked flounces; has pines are adc ted at will to the body, and are very becoming. Tt le heat of the weather has inspired the wearers with tt to idea of raising the sleeves of these pretty dresses ; they are therefore turned up as a cuff, leaving fin I liberty for the sleeve to float loosely round the arm. The bayadere of silk, in dark shades, with bright lines, are still worn Its fancy dresses. Dispatches were received at the Colonial-office yes• terday from the Governors of the North American colonies. Dispatch ea were also received from the Go- Telll3 of aittsPoir to flow from that Bill, It did not appear to him that the object they had in view would Lao gained by that Bill. The Earl of CARLISLE said the Government thought that by enabling the Board of Health by means of that Bill to purchase two of the cemeteries, they could sooner undertake the closing up of existing. graveyards. After a few words from the Earl of SHAFTESBURY, the Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be com mitted. COAL. WHIPPERS (PORT OF LONDON) BILL. Lord STANLEY of ALDERLEY moved that the House should go into Committee on this Bill. Lord BEAUNIONT objected to that portion of the present Bill which went to neutralise the operation of the original Act, by which publicans were prevented from paying the parties they employed in kind in their ow❑ houses. Lord STANLEY of ALDERLEY supported the propositions of the Bill, which passed through Com mittee. CUSTOMS BILL. Lord STANLEY of ALDERLEY moved the third reading of this Bill, which was agreed to, and the Bill than passed. CO2IJIISSIONERS OF RAILWAYS ACT REPEAL BILL. Oa the motion for the third reading of the above Bill, and after a few words from Lord ',`IONTEAGLE, Lord REDESDALE moved that the Bill be read a third time that day three months. Their Lordships divided, when there appeared— For the Bill ... 11 Against Majority ... —4 The Bill was then read a third time and passed. NEW ZEALAND SETTLEMENTS BILL. Earl GREY moved the second rqading of this Bill. The Duke of NE WCASTLE expressed his satisfac tion that certain chiuses in the original Bill, involving constitutional questions, which would have caused great discussion, had been withdrawn. After a few worth from Earl GREY, the Bill was read a second time. The Board of Health (No. 2) Bill passed through Committee. The Board of Health (No. 3) Bill was read a firs time. The Lunatics (India) Bill paased through Committee, and was subsequently read a third time and passed. On the motion of Lord REDESDALE, the Collec tions of Fines (Ireland) Bill, the Constabulary Force (Ireland) Bill, the Summary Jurisdiction (Ireland) Bill, and the Petty Sessions (Ireland) Bill, were severally read a first time. Their Lordships then adjourned. _HOUSE OF COMMONS, August 4. (Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.) PATENT LAW AMENDMENT BILL. On the motion for going into Committee on this Bill, Mr. HENRY moved that the committal be postponed until to-morrow, to give the public an opportunity of considering the amendments that had been introduced into it. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL was afraid the post ponement would be fatal to the Bill, and he therefore hoped the motion would not be persevered in. After a few words from Mr. BROTHERTON, Mr. J. P. WESTHEAD said he had carefully exa mined the provisions of the Bill, and he thought the measure was an exceedingly good one. He trusted the motion for postponement would be withdrawn. Mr. GREENE declared that the Bill was defective in many of its details, and it was most unfair to press it forward in this way at the eleventh hour. The question of costs was not the only evil which the public com plained of in this case. The six months' right of speci fication was a far greater evil, but the Bill took no notice of that, and he hoped the House would not allow it to pass until it did. The Society of Arts, after a diligent inquiry, had made an able report upon this subject, and any legislation to be satisfactory to the public should be founded upon the recommendations which that report contained. Believing this Bill to be an interference with the privileged of inventors, he should feel it his duty to give the Bill all the opposition in his power. Mr. LABOUCHERE acknowledged the subject to be one of great importance and intricacy, but he thought it had been sufficiently discussed on the second reading of the Bill. It had been acknowledged by all scientific men acquainted with the subject to be a Bill calculated to work a great improvement. Mr. RICARDO said ho did not think the House and the country had not time to consider the Bill, and he urged upon the Government the necessity of granting a Committee in the next session to inquire into the whole subject of parent laws. Mr. W. - WILLIAMS complained of the conduct of the Government in forcing upon the House the consi deration of a Bill of 54 clusses in ►he last three or four days of the session, when the majority of Honourable Members had left town. The AT CORNEY- GENERAL said he was asto nished that the Hon. Member for Lambeth should object to the passing of a Bill, the object of which was to cheapen the taking. out of patents to an immense extent. ➢lr. MUNTZ did not approve of all the provisions of the Bill, but he should support it as it was, rather than have none at all. That was the opinion of his con stituents. Sir DE LACY EVANS supported the Bill. The [louse then went into Committee on the Bill. Clauses 1, 2 and 3 were agreed to without discussion. On clause 4, Mr. GREENE proposed an amendment to omit the power of appointing examiners of patents. After some discussion, the Committee divided, when there appeared— For the amendment 2 Against it ... 46 Majority ... —44 The clause was then agreed to, as was also clause 5. On clause 6, Mr. RICARDO aslccd how the officers to be appointed under the Bill were to be paid. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said all the fees re ceivable under the Bill would be paid into the Consoli dated Fund, and the officers would be paid by the Trea sury out of those fees. The fees to bo taken would be regulated by the Treasury, and it was fully anticipated that those fees would be amply sufficient to meet the expenses of the Bill. Mr. RICARDO asked if the deficiency would be made up, supposing the fees were not sufficient? . _ _ Mr. C. LEWIS said in that case Government would have to come to Parliament for a vote. Mr. WILLIAMS said it appeared to him that the real object of this Bill was to give additional patronage to the Government at the expense of the public. It was monstrous, and he should move that the Chairman do report progress. _ . 111 r. LA:BOUCHERE hoped no unfair means would be taken for defeating the Bill. Mr. SPOONER also joined the Right Honourable President of the Board of Trade in requesting that the Bill might be met by argument, and not by obstructive motions. Mr. WILLIAMS said if the Government would give him an assurance that no public money would be taken for the purposes of the Bill, he would not further op pose it. - The. motion for reporting progress was then with drawn and the clause agreed to. On clausr+ 7 being proposed, Mr. GREENE objected to it on the ground that the conditions it imposed could not be complied with. Mr. MUNTZ considered that the clause was unjust to the inventor and the public. It required an inventor, in the first instance, to deposit a perfect specification, whereas, in the majority of instances, it was impossible to do so until the party had acquired some little expe rience in regard to his invention. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said the clause called upon a person to deposit a provisional specification, giving a general character and outline of his invention; he then had protection for six months, and if he followed up his application at the end of that time he would be placed in the same position as if his patent dated from the provisional specification. After some further conversation the clause was agreed to, the CHAIRMAN reported progress, and obtained leave to sit amain to-morrow. SUPPLY OF WATER TO THE METROPOLIS. Sir J. GRAHAM brought up the report of the Com mittee to which the Bills for supplying water to the metropolis were referred, and gave notice that he would to-morrow move that the evidence taken before the Com mittee should be printed. The House adjourned shortly after Three o'clock until Five. The House resumed at Five o'clock. PETITION. Several petitions were presented in favour of the con tinuance of the Crystal Palace. Mr. G. F. YOUNG presented a petition from the brewers of London, complaining that the officers of Cus toms spoiled their export beer by tapping it to ascertain its quality. Sir B. HALL presented a petition complaining of the manner in which the Bishop of London exercised his manorial rights. NOTICE OF MOTION. Mr. E. B. ROCHE gave notice that early next session he should move that one day in each week shall be set aside iu which Irish notices and orders should have pre cedence of all other business. CLAIMS OF DON PACIFICO. settlement t o la o y f In ch o l r ea d mPa table o L it M hDe E O n R rS papersTa e e fi cNcoons. connected b w a i " th no t h objection In reply to another question from the same HON. MIMBER, Lord PALMERSTON said treaties had been entered into between the republic of Buenos Ayres and the Bri tish Government. A similar treaty had been proposed with France, but difficulties had arisen, and he believed the treaty would not be ratified by France before the close of the present session of the Assembly. RAILWAY FROM CAIRO TO SUEZ. In regard to another question also from Mr. URQU HART, Lord PALMERSTON said, her Majesty's Govern ment were of opinion that a railway from Cairo to Suez ould be a very wise and expedient undertaking, and contribute to the prosperity of England, and be of adv.mtage to all other countries baying intercourse with Egypt. The British Governo*nt hal tnteied into no guarantee of any sort or kind with regard to the construction of the railroad. EXAMINATION OF CANDIDATES FOR THE ARMY. Colonel REID asked the First Lord of the Treasury, in the absence of the Secretary at 'War, whether the examination of candidates for commissions in the army was still to be left to the discretion of the civil profes sors of Sandhurst College, or to be conducted under the personal supervision of field officers compete,:t to judge of the educational fitness of gentlemen for regiments man? Lord J. RUSSELL said all he could state at present was that he believed the Commander-hi -Chief was very well satisfied with the manner in which the exatninations had hitherto been conducted. ATTENDANCE OF LETTER-CARRIERS AT CHURCH ON SUNDAY. Mr. PACKE asked the Secretary to the Treasury whether the recommendation contained in the report of the Commissioners appointed to investigate the question of Sunday labour in the Post•otfice, dated the 10th day of August, 1850, " That where the duties are such us to prevent the rural letter•carrier from attending divine service, an arrangement be made for providing a substi tute at least on the alternate Sundays," bad been carried into effect; and if not, whether it was the intention of the Postmaster-General to adopt it? Mr. C. LE WIS said there was considerable difficulty in obtaining information from different parts of the country, in order to carry the recommendation into ef fect, but it was the intention of the Postmaster-General to adopt the recommendation as soon as the arrange ments could be completed. POST-OFFICE. In reply to Mr. NEWDEGATE, Mr. C. LEWIS said the I.ite Postmastsr-General of B• rwiek-on-Tw.ed was removed from his office becAuse he refused to perform certain orders of the rostmaiter- General. NATIONAL EDUCATION IN SCOTLAND. Viscount MELGUND wished to ask her Government if it was their intention to introduce a mea sure on the subject of national education in Scotland next session of Parliament? Lord J. RUSSELL was understood to reply in the affirmative. ITALIAN INDEPENDENCE. Mr. ANSTEY wished to ask the Noble Lord at the head of the foreign department if he had received any communication from our Ambassador at Venice of a note which had been forwarded to that Court by the Pope soliciting the assistance of the Austrian Government to procure the expulsion of the Italian refugees from London, and to prevent any Italian loan being negotiated in this country, which the re fugees might propose for the purpose of securing Italian independence? Lord PALMERSTON said no such communication had been received by him, and he had reason to believe that the supposed note, like another note which had re cently appeared in the continental papers, was a fa brication, and had never issued from the Vatican. No application of course had therefore been made in the spirit of that note. With regard to the expulsion of foreigners from this country, it was quite true that cer tain foreign Governments looked with great anxiety at the proceedings of foreigners in this country, but no application had been made to her Majesty's Government on the subject, and if there had the only answer must have been that the law of this country gave no power for such expulsion. Sir G. PkC HELL presented a petition from Brighton against taxes on knowledge. THE NATIONAL GALLERY. Lord J. RUSSELL, in bringing up the report of the Commissioners appointed to inquire into this subject, took the opportunity of informing the Route that the Commissioners were of opinion that the National Gal lery ought not to be left in the present position, but that it was desirable that a site should be obtained in the neigh bourhood of Hyde-park or Kensington-gardens. The Noble Lord also intimated that next session her Majesty's Government would bring forward the subject for con sideration. EPISCOPAL AND CAPITULAR ESTATES MA- NAGEMENT (No. 2) BILL. The House then went into Comniktee on this Bill. On clause 1, The SOLICITOR-GENERAL intimated that an al teration had been introduced into this Bill for the pur pose of recognising more fully and protecting the claims of the l ssees. Mr. I'IGO objected to going on at all with the Bill, because the majority of the Huse had left town under the impression that the Bill had been abandoned for the present session. The rights of the lessees had never been brought under consideration before the present moment. Colonel SIBTHORP also objected to proceeding fur ther with the Bill. Mr. HEADLAM thought the best course to adopt would be to go through the Bill now, and to consider, on the third reading, whether, after all, it would not be better to postpone making it law until next session. Lord H. VANE also contended for the propriety of protecting the lessees. Sir J. DUCK WORTH said the Bill was introduced as a compromise between the ecclesiastical corporations and the lessees, and was, therefore, essentially permis sive in its character; but the words proposed by the So licitor General would render the measure compulsory, and to that he objected. Sir B. HALL said that his opposition had arisen from the late period of the session at which so important measure was brought in by the Government, when it was impossible to do justice to the subject. Millions were at stake in the matter, and yet the B►ll was urged on with indecent haste, and if it were passed, precedents, which would be injurious to the interests of the lessees, would be established. With regard to the proposal of the Solicitor-General, ho considered it important Ihl they should pass those words. and then when the clause was agreed to they should cease legislation on the sub ject, and let the proposition thus approved by Parlia ment go as an instruction to the capitular bodies and bishops to guide them in their dealings with the lessees. As for a permissive measure it would be of no use. Out of 2,000 tenants which the Bishop of London had, bad only enfranchised 60. That showed the value of permissive measures. _ _ _ - Mr. AGLIONBY approved of the word 3 proposed by the Solicitor-General, but thought that they ought to go on with the B►ll, and endeavour to im prove it. He (Mr. Aglionby) would support the amend ment, as he had the greatest confidence in the Church Estates Commission. Mr. CARD WELL said the clause was the hinge of the whole Bill. He contended that the strangest of all reasons for not making a change of the nature proposed in the Bill was the fact admitted by the Hon. Member, that a large number of Members interested in the subject had arrived in town to support it. The insertion of the words in question was a total change of the Bill, and di rectly at variance with the recommendation of the Select Committee. He submitted that they would effect a change is the law which should not be attempted at this period of the session, and he called on the Commit tee not to assent to such a change without evidence. There was only one of two courses open—either to pass a comprehensive Bill to meet the whole subject, or to pass one which should not change the entire relations between the lessees and the lessors in the case. Mr. E. DENISON thought it was just and reasonable that the words proposed should be adopted, seeing they formed part of the report of the Select Committee as well as of the resolution of the Committee of 1839. At present there were no rules for the administration of Church property, because the Commissioners would nut act until Parliament had interfered to frame such regu lations. It was, therefore, most important that no mea sure should pass that did not include instructions to these Commissioners. He thought the words proposed were a great amendment to the Bill, and that they were absolutely necessary. Fur this reason he should support the amendment. Sir H. WILLOUGHBY opposed the insertion of the words, because it cast a discretion upon the Commission which it was most unjust to place upon any three gen tlemen. It was also doing injustice to the lessees to act without laying down any regulation. The Bill was not founded on the report, fur it dealt with all kinds of pro perty—houses and mines inclusive—though the report of the House of Lords excepted all but rent-charges and annuities. Until distinct rules were laid down for the administration of any class of property the Bill would be of no advantage. Colonel SIBTH.ORP said the speeches of the Right Hon. Member for Liverpool and the Hon. Member for Exeter were for postponement of the Bill. He (Colonel Sibthorp) believed the best way would b', to put a stop to the further progress of the Bill, as to let it go on would be most dangerous. He should, therefore, move to report progress. Sir J. GRAHAM thought the importance of the Bill was too great to obstruct its further progress, but he was not prepared to agree to the insertion of the words proposed without furtner notice. The question was a most important one, affecting, as it did, the lessees of Church property as well as the Church itself, in respect to the provision for spiritual destitution. Six ye ars ago (1845) c u eneral rules were laid down by the Ecclesiasti cal Commissioners in respect of the administration of their great trust. The Hon. Member f sa id those rules embodied principles which dis honest, and he complained that, i n estimating thewere i nt e rest of the lessees, two different tables — as of 5 per cent. and 3i f per cent. —were us e d. B ut this was the ample difference between the fee simple and the leasehold, and he (Sir J. Graham) could not admit its dishonesty. He could not admit that a bishop was a dishonest man; nor b© parties that men like Mr. Holehouse —excluding himself —would Lord Chichester, and others general rule, contrary to their consc i ence. There was to a as the interest of the lessee on the one band, and that of the Church on the other.—(H eae ,) the He (SirJ.G ra h a m) had always been opposed to difference between the episcopal and common fund, as well as to the fluctuations of the bishops' incomes. But he held it to be impossible that the spiritual wants of the community could be hereafter relieved out of the taxation of the country, seeing the spread of dissent that unhappily prevailed. That from which it should be relieved hereafter, therefore, was the property of the Church, and no trust could conse quently be higher or more sacred than that of keeping up this property. There were seven modes of dealing with this property on the part of the lessors, and it was time, therefore, to frame a general system of regulations. They were discussing a question of four years' value of the leasehold property of t he C h urch , involving millions —(Hear)—in a House composed, for the greater part, of lessees or those having an interest of that kind, and scarcely any one representing the interests of the Church —(H e see) . If ever there was an opportunity on the part of the Legislature of dealing with this point, it was when the Committee had reported; but six years had, nevertheless, been suffered to elapse without any at tempt to frame resolutions for the management of this property. It might be right to say, power for the first time shall be given to sell the property of the Church. The principle came down unaltered from tl - e House of Lords, but to this was added a clause by the Solicitor- General, that a favourable consideration, as far as lessees were concerned, should be permitted. He was not pre pared to combat either proposition, but considering the past history of the Church, and the interests of the people, spiritual more especially than temporal, for Par liament at this late period of the session to come to a decision on such an important proceeding was, in his opinion, not safe or expedient. Lord J. RUSSELL said if it was right to consider the question, vhich he considered it was, as it was i n conformity with the vrishoo of the limo of Lords—if it were right to consider the terms on which Church pro pen), should be dealt with, he did nut see how it was just to say that equitable consideration towards lessees should he left out of the case; though with respect to en alteration of the proposed terms ho considered the House was precluded, by the lateness of the session, from taking that matter into consideration. He thought lessees had greater reason to complain than he at first supposed. What he understood was, that the Ecclesias ticel Commissioners, on the oue hand, were to make an agreement with lessees and others for the purchase of their property; and on the other, that the Church Estate Commissioners were to have a superintending control, so that neither the Church nor the public could be injured. But judging from the course of the debate it would only he the strict legal right a court of equity would enforce which would be attended to, and the Commissioners were only to say whether any agreement that m i g ht be come to was withi n t h e strict meaning of the law or n ot. This was the vi e w o f hi s H on. and Learned Fr i en d the Solicitor• General a n d several others who represe nted the interests of the l essees. Now what was proposed was not compulsory—binding on the Commissioners-- it only gave them a certain latitude to consider cer tain things—it empowered them to have a just regard to any reasonable cl a im s ar i s i ng from long pr actice. , There was no question a b ou t t h e character or fi tn ess os the Commissioners for their office. They bad b een jointly at); ointed by the Crown and the Bishops, and in considering the just and reasonable claims ot lessees they were to be restrained from going beyond what t he y might consider a fair and reasonable compensation. The whole question resolved itee:f into this: whether equitable claims—not claims that could be enforced in court of law—should be compensated in any case. lie wished the plan bad been placed in another shape before the House of Lords, it would have been fairer, and be should have been better pleased than with the Bill as it at present stood. But he considered the House were not in a condition to agree to the Bill unless they took care that the interests ot the lessees in some d egree were re garded. He could not deny that when it had been the practice for ecclesiastical corporations to renew leases as not only tho best mode of managing the property, b ut because income would cease unless they adopted this renewal, that the lessees ought to have some considera tion, when not only a practice existing for years was to be altered, but the property was to be dealt with in an other form, and either sold or purchased. With these views he was quite ready to support the Solicitors Gen" ral's motion, as it was not compulsory, but only gave the Commissioners power to do what was just and reason able. If legislation did not take place now with regard to those rights it would be necessary next session to con sider other measures. But if measures of a more com pulsory character were proposed, still they must have those elements of justice in them from which he was net willing to depart.—(Hear.) Mr. J. A. SMITH wished to retract any objectionabl e expression that might have fallen from him in relation to the Church Commissioners, but he could not help thinking the rules he had referred to were unfair. Be would give an illustration of his meaning. The estate of the Church was valued at 30 years' purchase, the es tate of the lessees was valued at 20 years, and this he could not consider fair. The Bishop of Lincoln bad ex; pressed his opinion that the rules were unf a ir, and 13 , believed the Church Estates Com m i ss i oners had refuse's to act on those rules, because they also considered they were unfair. In ordinary transactio ns o f life it would deemed unfair to estimate the seller's interest at one rate and the buyer's at another. Though he raised these 0 10 _ jections, he was as strong a friend to the Church al there could possibly be—but be was not disposed to a ct unjustly by sacrificing the interests of the lessees for I % benefit of the Church, nor would he consent to depri v e the lessees of their just rights and property, even thoti.gl advantage and benefit were to be conferred on te,u e Church. It was not the charge of not being friendly 1 ." the Church that would frighten him from that course which his sense of duty constrained him to take. ,a Mr. CAYLEY said the int e re s t s o f th e Church vsoti., not be advanced by acts of inj us ti ce . The rules la id down by the Ecclesiastical Co mm i ss i oners outraged the sense of propriety of every man t h roug h ou t the :n" e! O f try. It was necessary, th ere f ore , k now i ng the bias their minds, that som e thi ng s h ou ld b e d one t o alter the system and to prevent injustice from being perpetrateidi oaks The rules of the Commissioners, if ac t e d u pon, S have the effect of taki ng 12 , 0 00,000 / . out of the 13 of the lessees. Mr. SPOONER said the R;ght Hon. Gentleman had stated he was a l essee un d er the Church. 11° was so to a very small amount, but he could assur e tb a Right Hon. Gentleman his conduct would not be biese by that circumstance. He was at ens time wil lin g to take the Bill without the instruction to take into Ow' sideration the interests of the lessees, because he be lieved the intere s t s o f th e l essees wou ld otherwise i, considered in other clauses of the Bill and the report and because he consider e d th e B i ll wou ld do °t h eh good. But after t h e t urn t h e d e b ate had ta k en , and declaration that Parliament had never recognised, Sot the equitable, but the moral right of the lessees, b e con' sidored it was es,ential to have the words Bil which would put the question beyond doubt. The was to be passed as a permissive Bill, and thereby the f recommendations in the report would have a chance - being carried out. Besides the question of the lessees, there was even a more important question involved: in it. He referred to the interests of the Church, wh in to do would be seriously sfficted if the Bill, professing insertecli an act of justice to lessees, were thrown out on that al eount. II the Bill were thro wn out on t h at grotto- , Government would find that future legislation o °- &" subject wauld become very difficult. Mr. BARROW was anxious to have the words el a teci l in the Bill. He co ns id ere d , as the Jesse© had made the improvements on th e soil, which had increased - the value of the Church property, he ought to have Some re turn for his outlay. Mr. HENLEY said that the question before them wag t that the Chairman report progress, and be must 'AY th_ everything that had t a k en p l ace s i nce last t he subje!! was discussed strengthened him in the opinion that the measure ought not at present to b e f u rther proc eeded " with. One thing quite clear was that no one bad denie d l the justice of the a mend men t, w hi c h, i n hi s opinion, did interf ere w ith th e perm i ss i ve nature o f t h e Bill. Tbo difficulty which ho felt was that they were asked to come to a decision upon it with imperfect informatiotil and in too great a hurry. If compelled to vote he sho uld vote in favour of the introduction of the words, because without such words the Commissioners would not hav e the power to give that favourable consideration to the claims of lessees which all agreed they ought to receive- Bat, as no notice had been given of an intention to pro pose such words, he thought the better course would be to stop at once, and not compel the Committee to insert words which might not sa isfy any party. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL, in answer to those Honourable Gentlemen who urged delay, asked them to recollect the mode in which the Bill bad been intro duced. The Bill had come down to them founded upon the report of the Cominittee. The principle of it had been affirmed at every stage , and the members of the Committee were unanimous in opinion that the claims of lessees should be dealt with this seas ; sion. He could not agree t hat the p ro posed words would then alter the the BPitlilemcipuslet ohfavtehebeßen founded ill on a principle, for if th e y wou ld do SO injustice.—(H ea r, hear.) In his opi n i on the B i ll io' n' tended to do that which he wished to do by the words he-had proposed. Unless some step was taken to Be f , i t the matter amicably this session, they would h° st-b -further removed next session from any agreement ° °-e question. In his opinion it would he ° most disastrous tee true interes of the Ch urc h to leave the question un settled. Mr. J. STUART raid it was in vain to expect on a subject of so much i mportance that u could be e ° tistactorily done w i t h out full f anything ddue cons sideration. A. blue book conz3l . alati°ll a tanl - n the evidence an d proceedings of th e Lords' Committee l on the s ubject ba d just been iss ue d , and time ought to be given for t he pe rusal of it. The importance of the - estion was very great, for there was nut a county in England which di d not contain property of the nature that with of they were asked to deal. His Hon. and Learned FrieDa the Solicitor-General was not correct when he state d that they were asked now to deal with the Bill as it ba! come from the Lords, for they were called on to consider a most imp or t ant a lt e ration prop ose d b y hi s Hon. Pf ° "' Learned Friend himself. Although friendly to the prin ciple of the Bill, he should certainly under the areal:o" stances vote in favour of reporting progress. Bill, Mr. ALCOCK approved of the principle of the but thought that some notice ought to have been taken of sub-lessees, a numerous and important body. He had drawn up a clause on that point, and h a d placed it in then hands of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, but he Ws not aware how the Hon. and Learned Gentleman pro posed to deal with it. Tho SOLICITOR-GENERAL thought the eh ia n se and the point to which it r e f erre d we ll w orthy of co n sideration. Mr. NEWDEGATE said that the Hon. Member fo r Surrey had anticipatei him on the subject of sub-lease:ll The point was one deserving consideration, for it w ould not do to allow su b-l essees, among whom were great many tenant-far mers , to b e h an d e d over like serfs or change of less ees . N o d ou bt, if du e ti me w ere give ° i c :h consideration, some decision might be come to w t would avoid all injustice to lessees, and save the prof of the Church from confiscation. A short time ego meeting was called of persons interested in this queat ino, , a and it had separated without coming to any decision, the belief that Parliament would not legislate with ° further information on the subject. The Committee then divided, when there appeared' For reporting progress 20 Against it Majority --38 The Committee then proceeded with the consideration of the clause. Mr. CARD WELL proposed to add at the end of the clause the following words:—" Provided alwayg , that nothing herein contained s h a ll b e deemed or ta.ken 4 , 3 _ vary or affect the legal or equitable rights, estates, c interests of such e cc l es i ast i ca l cor porations, or of thei r lessees respectively." the The SOLICITOR-GENERAL objected to amendment, and said that, without this proviso, th e clause in no d egree a l tere d th e l e gal or equitable posi tion of the parties. ed to Mr. CARDWELL, u pon this assurance, consen t withdraw the proviso; but • Mr. CAYL EY an d Mr. IV AWN insisted upon a ch The__ galleries were then cleared of strangers. No divhien took place, the proviso being negatived by consent. The clause was then agreed to. Sir B. HALL complained that after the House bad come to a unanimous decision that the rights of lessees f o r should be fairly considered, the Hon. 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