The Sun. — London, England, 1851-03-26 00:00:00

PAPAL AGGRESSION. ASSERTION VERSUS FACT. Mr. Reynolds asserted in the House of Commons, on the 10th of March last, that the people had taken no part in the anti-Papal aggression meetings. " The truth was," he said, " the honest and sensible people of England had folded their arms, and said to them s elves, This is the Church's affair—it is a matter we have no thing to do with.'—(Hear, hear.)" iNow, what is the truth? " A return has been made by Mr. Newdegate, setting forth the number of addresses which have been presented to her Majesty on the recent measures taken by the Pope with regard to this country, whence they emanated, and the number of signatures to each. The total number of these addresses is 3,145, bearing 1,006,708 signatures, besides two Roman Catholic addresses expressing loyalty and fidelity, with 255,961 signatures. They are classified according to their origin in the following manner:—arehbishops and bishops of the Church of England, 1; archbishops and bishops of the United Church of England and Ire land, 1; deans and chapters of cathedral or collegiate churches, 10; Church of Scotland, minister and elders, 1; clergy of the Ifi:ited Church of Euglond and Ireland, 89; clergy and others, 880; Wesleyan Committee of Privileges, 1; Protestant dissenting ministers of the three denomin-ations. 1 ; universities, viz., Oxford, Cambridge, Durh irn, and St. Andro vs's, 4 ; colleges— Royal College of Physicians, Queen's College, Birming ham, Sion College, London, th,f, " Beddeu," York, 4 ; hospitals, 2 ; county meetings, 35 ; other public meet ings, 139 ; corporations, 46 ; associations or other bodies, 20 ; city of London, 4 ; members of the English bar, 1 ; attorneys, solicitors. and proctors of England and Wales, 1; Isle of Man, 1 ; Society :for Promoting Christian Knowledge, 1." This return proves that there are few instances of " the honest and sensible people of England" speaking out so plainly as they hav e done on the Papal aggression.—Derbyshire Courier. JOSEPH 11. AND THE JESUITS. TO THE EDITOR OF THE SUN. Sin,—The following is from a work published a few years since, on " Austria and the Austrians:"— " Of the evils of monachism Joseph the Second (of Austria) was thoroughly convinced. Of all religious societies, he considered the Jesuits the most dangerous and the most objectionable. After their expulsion from France, the Duke of Choiseul, then Secretary of State, wrote Joseph on the subject of expelling them from the Austrian dominions; but his mother (the celebrated Maria Theresa) then exercised the whole power, and Joseph could only give his opinions, as expressed in the following letter to Choiseul:— "' Sir,—l thank you for the confidence you give me. If I were sovereign you might count on my ready co operation. As to the Jesuits, and the plan to abolish their congregation, I am entirely of your opinion. " Do not depend much upon my mother, for an at tachment to this order has become hereditary in the house of Hapsburg. Clement XIV. himself has had proof of this. " ' Meantime Kaunitz is your friend. Ho can do much with the Empress, and he is perfectly of your opi nion in regard to expelling the Jesuits. "' Choiseul, I know these gentry as well as any man. I know all their projects, all their efforts to spread dark ness over the earth—to rule over Europe from Cape Fi nisterre to the Frozen Ocean.' " At the preseat time, in the middle of the nineteenth century, the Jesuits have, if I mistake not, the educa tion of the Austrian youth in a great measure in their own hands. Let us beware of them.—l am, Sir, &c. March 24, 1851. WATCHMAN. THE ESTABLISHED CHURCH. A recent writer says:--" The present Church of England was self-styled the Poor Man's Church. It is not difficult to understand how it has been so called. Church revenues were originally divided into three parts —the first part for the maintenance of the priesthood; the second for the maintenance and repair of the fabric of the church; and the third for the relief of the poor. But now the people have to keep the church in repair in the form of church rates; and the poor they have to support is the form of poor-rates; whilst the liishops and clergy swallow up all. Read on, and reflect at the same time. Think it our present State Church does in any respect represent the spirit of Christianity, as handed down to the disciples—the poor fishermen of Galilee; or rather, does it not represent the spirit of Mammon no: of Jesus. Its God is Money, Rich Bene fices, Hard Cash " See the revenues of the Church of England, which amount yearly to the enormous sum of 10,483,699/. Re peat it,—cry it aloud. The sum of ten millions, four hun dred and eighty-three thousand, six hundred and ninety nine pounds, which enormous amount, it divided es was originally intended, to support the priesthood, to keep the church in repair and to relieve the poor, would indeed greatly relieve our vast community; but now, not one penny comes to the poor, but rather the poor man's pots and kettles and the bed he lies on are frequently sold by &action to make up this amount." What will Churchmen ,ay to thi? EXHIBITION OF 1851. RECEIPT OF GOODS-FINAL NOTICE. 1. On Wednesday evening, the 2d of April, the tem porary entrance into the buildim: for carts, waggons, and carriages of every description will be closed, to enable the flooring of the building to be completed; rind no articles will be admitted into the building which cannot be brought in by hand, and without the aid of machinery for lifting, &c. Even such articles cannot be admitted if they should exceed the width of the entrances—viz., 6 feet 6 inches. 2. After the 3cl of April, no packing cases will be admitted within the building. Any articles brought to the Exhibition between the 3d of April end the 10th of April mast be delivered unpacked, and i❑ such a way as to cruse no litter in the building; in fact, they must be delivered as they would b 4 brought into a private re sidence. 3. On and after the 3d day of April any articles sent through carriers, which require to be unpacked, will be deposited outside the building, and remain there until the owners or their agents attend to unpack them. 4. All foreign articles must sent to the east end of the building; all colonial articles to the south entrance; and all British articles to the west end of the building, 5. Although the reception of articles after the 10th of April will obviously occasion great inconvenience, in creased expenses. and somewhat jeopardize the punctual opening of the Exhibition, the Executive Committee will not absolutely refuse to admit them, but they feel it necessary to discourage as much as possible such late arrivals. Accordingly, they give notice that articles can only be received after the 10th of April and until the 20th subject to the payment of the following fees to the general fund:— s. d. Every article weighing urder 281 h... 0 10 0 Every article weighing above 281 b. and under 561 h Every article weighing above 561 b 2 0 0 . _ And at the rate of IL additional for every 281 b., or fraction of 28ib., above 561 b. 6. These rules apply to all articles except those spe cialty exempted by the Executive Committee. Z. Tho Executive Committee particularly request that all goods may be finally arranged on Monday, the 21st of April, in the way it is proposed they should be exhi bited, iu order that the Executive Committee may then proceeding to having the bnildinp• put hi order for the 0 admission of the publi c . I March 20. M. DIGBY WYATT, Secretary. OXFORD AND THE UNIVERSITY COMMISSION. The venerable Alma Mater of the Isis has just dis covered a mart's nest of the first magnitude, and is pro claiming her discovery to the public with a degree of twaddling solemnity which is perfectly ludicrous. As all our readers know, a Royal Commission to inquire into the state of our two ancient Universities was ap pointed at the end of last session. It was announced at the time that the Commission was directed in no hostile spirit, but in friendly co-operation with the efforts at self-improvement which wore being made in the Univer sities themselves. No one supposed that attendance before it was compulsory, or teat it had any power to enforce the production of documents or the answering of interrogatories. Of course no such power can be con ferred on Commissioners by the Crown singly, or by either House of Parliament singly. Similar Royal Commis sions had issued before; and it was known by actual practice, as well as from constitutional theory, that at tendance before them was perfectly optional. This had been proved in the case of the Municipal Corporations Commission; and an analogous case had occurred about thirty years ago, before the Education Committee of Lord (then Mr.) Brougham. On that occasion, the Warden of Winchester refused to produce the Colleg e Statutes, or to answer any questions about them, and nobody attempted to compel bun. Well, the Oxford University Commission was duly °Ppointed; it had held several meetings; it had collected I Thlah information, when suddenly the Oxford Dons Publish a long legal opinion to prove, what nobody ever though t of disputing—narsely, that they and everybody e lse mi ght refuse to give information to the Commis sioners, and th a t nobody could punish them for such a refusal. If the meshing of all this is, that the Oxford Dons mean to obstruct the Coa3mission as much they can, we mu st say that they have taken a very stupid way of announcing a very stupid resolution. They will get no good by co nce alment. E ver y a b use t h at ex i sts Will be belie ve d to be ten times as bad as it really y them is, o n account of their efforts to cloak it over; and a thousand charges against them will find credit with the public, w hi c h a tree and fair investigatio n would prove t..) b e unfoun ded . The argument is decisive; they Must h ave something to be ashamed of, or they wou ld not shrink from being inspected.— Weekly News. A CHILD BURIED ALIVE by i ts MOTHER . On Tuesday last, ono of the most atrocious cases of child murder ever recorded was committed atWin g fi e i d, in this county, by the mother, a young unmarried woma n named Maria Charlie. Clarke, it appears, had been dis charged, ,at her own r e qu e st, from the Union House that morning, and with her child, a male, six weeks old. she proceeded to Wingfield, where her friends reside. Before going to her mother's cottag e , she called upon severa l of the neighbours, and in the al ternoon was seen proceeding in the direction of Mr. Hill's meadow, carrying the child on one arm and a scuppet in her other hand. In the evening the child was missed, and suspicion s being excited by what had trans pired in the afternoon, the mother was questioned, when she said she had sent the child to Norwich to be brought up by an aunt. Not satisfied with this --representation, she was directly accused of having ma 4 away with the child._ silo ut first denied it, nut e 1 = lON'S oti fsr,th - made the astounding confession that lohe had Atitl4l Plated the child, but had buried it alive in ➢sir. 7 . 1141 1 1 *Wow. Infornifltiou of the cir outn a mice was 1 S immediately given to policeman William Clarke, and tl e woman was shortly afterwards anrehended. The next morning the meadow was searched, and i❑ a ditch about four feet deep, filled with water, the scuppet was found, which it appeared had been missed from the cottage garden of a labourer named Dasaey on the Tuesday afternoon. The mother then accompanied the policeman to acorner of the meadow, and pointed out the spot where she had buried the child. The turf was removed, and at the depth of six inches from the surface the body was discovered. The womao,we understand, has since made a full confession of her guilt. She stated that she left the Palham Union House because a young man in the neighbourhood of Wingfield had promised her mar riage. She was apprehensive if he knew she had a child that he would not fulfil his promise, but she had no idea of committing the murder until she was leaving the cottage of Dassey, when the sight of the scuppet standing outside the door, suggested the thought to her. She deg a hole, she said, laid her infant i❑ it, and then sat down and cried. She afterwards covered the child with turf, " without hurting it at all," and then hearing it shriek in the ground she stamped upon the sod and stifled its cries ! She was taken before the county ma gistrates of the district, the Rev. A. Cooper, the Roy. R. Colbeck, and the Rev. J. Hodgson, and remanded for further examination on Monday next. Yesterday Mr. Charles Gross, coroner, went to Wingfield, to hold an inquest upon the body. The prisoner is about twenty years of age.—Suffolk Chronicle of March 22. THE LONDON GAZETTE, March 25. ST. JAMES'S-PALACE, Marco 24, 1851. The Queeu has been pleased to appoint the Hon. Bea trice Byng to be ono of the Maids of Honour in Ordinary to her Majesty, in the room of the Hon. Caroline Dawson, resigned. FOREIGN-OFFICE, MARCH 24. The Queen has been pleased to approve of Mr. L. A. Van den Bergh as Consul at Portsmouth, of Mr. G. C. Welsford as Consul at Weymouth, and of Mr. John Banfield as Consul for Scilly, for his Majesty the King of Hanover. CROWN-OFFICE, MARCH 24. The Queen has been pleased to appoint Matthew Davenport Hill, of Lincoln's-inn, in the county of Mid dlesex, EFT, to be one of the Commissioners of the Court of Bankruptcy, to act in the prosecution of fiats in Bankruptcy, in the country, in the room of Ebenezer Ludlow, Sergeant-at-Law, deceased. MEMBER RETURNED TO SERVE IN THIS PRESENT PARLIAMENT. Borough of Thirsk—Sir William Payne Gallwey, Baronet, in the room of John Bell, Esquire, deceased. OFFICE OF ORDNANCE, MAnca 21. MEMORANDUM —The date of the commission of First Lieutenant Henry Raymond Pelly, corps of Royal En gineers, is altered to July 26, 1850. ADMIRALTY, MARCH 21. The following promotions have this day taken place consequent upon the death of Admiral Sir Edward Hamilton, Bart. ' K.C.B.:— Admiral of the Blue George Barker to be Admiral of the White. Vice-Admiral of the Red the Earl of Dundonald, G.C.8., to bo Admiral of the Blue. Vice-Admiral of the White William Henry Brown Tremlett to be Vice-Admiral of the Red. Vice-Admiral of the Blue John Impey to be Vice-Ad miral of the White. Rear-Admiral of the Red Charles Philip Bateman to be Vice-Admiral of the Blue. Rear-Admiral of the White Sir Charles Napier, K,C.8., to be Rear-Admiral of the Red. Rear-Admiral of the Blue Alexander Renton Sharpe, C.B, to be Rear-Admiral of the White. Captain William Willmott Henderson, C. 8., K.H., to be Rear-Admiral of the Blue. And the following officers have been also promoted to the rank of Retired Rear-Admiral, under the terms proposed in the London Gazette of the Ist of September, 1846, without increase of pay : Captain Joseph Digby. Captain Charles Warde, Captain William Ffariligton. Captain James Rattray. Captain John Allen. Commission by the Lord-Lieutenant of Kent. The Right Hoe. George Viscount Torrington to bo Deputy Lieutenant, March 18. Commission by the Lord-Lieutenant of the County Pa latine of Lancaster. James Lomax, EF q., to be Deputy Lieutenant, March 20 WIII rEIIALL, FEn. 27. The Lord Chancellor has appointed Edwin Boxall, of Brighton, in the county of Sussex, Gent., to be a Master Extraordinary in the High Court of Chancery. The Lord Chancellor had also appointed Parkin Wigelsworth, of Doniegton, in the county of Lincoln, Gent., to be a Master Extraordinary in the High Court of Chancery. _ _ _ WHITEHALL, MARCH 19. The Lord Chancellor has appointed Bruges Fry, of Cheddar and Axbridge, in the county of Somerset, Gent., to be a Master Extraordinary in the High Court of Chancery. LORD CHAMBERLAIN'S OFFICE, FEB. 13. Notice is hereby given, that her Majesty will hold a Levee at St. James's Palace, on Wednesday, March 26, at two o'clock. auction 640 bags Penang were sold at 3d to 3id for corn tn,‘Ti light rather duty. The value of Malabar is 3-}d to 5 id and clean Sumatra 3d. White is wanted at 6d to Bd. Pod is yet dull of sale at 30s to 405 per cwt. Ginger met with little attention. Jamaica is held for 21 8s to 91 for common to fine, African 34s to 375, and Esst India export sort 17s to 20s. At public sale 160 cases Cochin went at 70s to 94s for middling to good, and mouldy 67s 6d to 89s. Cloves in fair demand—Bourbon and Zanzibar at 6d to 60, and Penang Od to is 4d. Mace is wanted; fine 2s 6d to 2s Bd, and other kinds 2s 2d to 2s sd. For Nutmegs there ar© several buyers, fine and good brown is 3s 2d to 4s, low and mid 2s 8d to 2s 11d, and limed of first quality 2s 8d to 2s 10d. Some small parcels of Cassia Lig❑ea have been sold at 94s to 102s—Cassia Buds are held for 108 s to 110 s. To-day Pimento was in better demand, and full rates were obtained. At auction 567 bags were sold at 4.-1-d to 3d, but chiefly at 4id to 4'ld per lb. SPIRITS.—There are se:lers of Leeward Island Rum at a reduction; still operations have been upon a small scale at Is 7d to is lid proof. East India hal been purchased with caution, and the rates taken arc is sid to Is 6.1. Is consequence of a reduction of 24 per gallon having been acceded to for Demorara a good business has been transacted; and the purchases amount to 350 puns at 2s 4d to 25 6i for 33p °9 per cent. over proof. There has been rather more doing in Jamaica. About 250 puns have been sold, fine and favourite marks at 3s 81 to 4s 4d for 35 to 38 per cent over proof, mid to good 2s 101 to 3s 8d for 30 to 34 over, and low 2s 61 to 2s 9d. Brandy is still purchased with caution for all purposes. Cognac best brands of the vintage of 1850 at 4s 3d to 4s 53, 1849 ditto 4s 6d to 4s Bd, 1848 ditto 4s 9d to 4s 1 Id, 1847 ditto 5s 2d to 5s 4d, and inferior sorts 3a to 4s per gallon. Prices do not give way for British made Spirit; but opera tions are upon a limited scale at 9s 8d to 95 9,1; and Gin at 8s 3d for 22 per cent under proof. Geneva sells more freely at Is 7d to is Bd, and fine Is 9d to 2s per gallon. INDIGO.—The demand for East India is improving, and there are now no sellers under last sales' rates. Spanish met with greater attention, and realized an ad vance of 2d; at auction 100 serous of Guatemala were all sold at from 3s 4d to 4s 9d for ♦ery low to good. CCCIIINEAL.—At public sale 160 bags were nearly all sold—Honduras silvers, low to good mid 3s 4d to 3s 9d, blacks 3s 7d to 4s 4d, Mexican silvers 3s 2d to 3s 3d, and Teneriffe 3s 6d. SALTPETRE.—British refined is cheaper, limited sales having been made at 29s to 303 per cwt. In Bengal the business concluded privately has been small for all pur poses, and the parcels at public sale were taken in. Prices incline downwards, and rule at from 26s to 28s 6d for low to fine Calcutta. For Nitrate of Soda the demand is limited with sellers at 14s 6d to 14s 9d per cwt. TALLow.—The demand has fallen off for Russian on the spot during the last few days, and prices are not so firm. There are sellers of fine new yellow Candle at 403 to 40s 6d, and old at 39s to 39s 6ci per cwt; but only a limited business has been concluded. For delivery in last three months of the year there are sellers of new at 40s, and with few buyers. In home melted a good deal has been done at 39s net cash for immediately delivery. Of Australian 700 casks at auction were chiefly sold at 34s to 38s 6d for low to fine; but of 500 pkgs South American a part only disposed of at 35s to 375; 48 casks Belgian 38s 3d to 38s 6d; 318 skins Ibrail were taken in at 37s 3d; and 80 casks Odessa Sheep at 37s per cwt. Prices of Tallow are 3s to 4s above this time last year. OlLS.—There is a further increase in the supply of Cocoa Nut, and all parties evince little desire to operate. At auction 600 casks Cochin were taken in at 28s to 32s 6d per cwt. Olive continued to be operated in with caution; and sellers are willing to accept 41! lOs to 421 for Gallipoli; 40/ to 411 for other sorts, and a further reduction is anticipated. Linseed Oil is offered at lower terms ; the value is 33s to 33s 3d per cwt. There are few buyers for delivery, and with sellers at 33s 6d to 345. For Rapo Seed Oil prices have be come firm ; pale realized 34s 61 to 355, brown 33s to 33s 6d; and Foreign Refined 35s 6d to 365. Palm is much wanted, and 29s to 30s is the price of fine, whilst there is no increase of supply. There is an improving demand for Seal Oil, and holders aro less disposed to press sales; pale has been selling at 33/ to 34/, and other sorts 301 to 321 10s. Cod is not to be obtained under 37/ lOs per tun; few transactions, however, have taken place. Southern has been operated in with caution, at from 301 to 311 103 for com mon to fine. In Sperm sales are upon a more extended scale, and rates aro firm at 841 lOs to 851 10s, with only a moderate supply. Headmatter is in fair request at 901 to 94/ per tun. For auction on Friday 44 tuns, and 400 packages Seed Oils are declared, the chief part Rape Seed, and Gingelly Oil. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, March 25. The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Wool sack at Five o'clock. Lord PORTMAN presented a petition from a place in Somersetahire in favour of copyholds enfranchise. ment, and several against Papal aggression. THE CHURCH IN THE COLONIES.—THE MARRIAGE ACT. The Bishop of OXFORD wished to direct the at tention of their Lordships to the state of the Church in the colonies, and to know how the state of the Church had been affected by recent enactments, and whether the Noble Earl the Secretary for the Colonies had received any remonstrances from the clergy of the colonies on the subject of the celebra tion of marriages in the colonies. Earl GREY said that there were many difficulties affecting the question. He had laid it down as a rule that it would be wrong in colonial matters for the Imperial Legislature to interfere in any matters in relation to which the colonial legislature was competent to legislate. Now, he had not received any complaints from the clergy of Now South Wales with regard to any matters in which it was not compe tent to the colonial legislature to legislate. He had understood that there was to be a meeting of the Bishops of Australia on the subject, to which the Right Rev. Prelate had alluded, but the result of that meeting had not yet been known; but he should deprecate legislating on any subject on which the colo ❑ial legislature was competent to legislate. Lord MONTEAGLE thought the House ought to legislate in this matter. Lord CAMPBELL thought the House ought to legis late on the subject of marriage in the colonies, so as to make the legislation in regard to marriage in unison with the law of this country. Earl GREY reminded his Noble and Learned Friend that the marriage law in England was different from that in Scotland and from that in Ireland, and he thought in Australia it ought to be left to the decision of the local Legislature. The Bishop of OXFORD declared that complaints had arrived from the clergy of the colonies of the ope ration of the law of marriage in colonies, and contended that the decision of the matter ought not to be left to the Legislature, but should be left to the decision of the Church. It was unjust to tie up the operation of the Church of England in this manner In the colonies. Earl GREY had never said that complaints had not been brought under his notice by the Colonial Church, but that no grievaece had been so brought under his notice which could not be dealt with by the colonial legislature. It had been suggested that the colonial legislature would not deal with it, and in that case he thought it was not a case calling for imperial legislation, inasmuch as it was a matter purely cf colonial and domestic concern. Their Lordships adjourned. THE SUN, LONDON, WEDNESDAY EVENING, MARCH 26, 1851. they had any intention—in the event of their continuing to be her Majesty's advisers—of acting on the report of their kirdmh:p4' Committee, by endeavouring to re model the law? The Archbishop of CANTERBURY thought that the clergy were under great obligation to the Noble Earl for bringing this subject under the consideration of the House; but ho knew not whether the prelates should feel equal obligation for the contrast which the Noble Earl had drawn between them and the clergy. Although the Noble Earl's statement was in most respects true, it,was not impossible that the public might draw a wrong in ference from it. As long as the law remained in its pre sent state, the contrast which the Noble Earl had ad verted to as existing between prelates and the clergy with respect to contributions to the poor rate must con tinue. At the same time, it should be borne in mind that there was no part of the episcopal income which did not contribute to the rates, although not directly out of the pockets of the prelates. The process was this—the pre lates paid the Ecclesiastical Commissioners, and the commissioners paid the rates. The Noble Earl, however, had made out a case for the clergy, and R certainly ap• reared unjust that the personal services of that class, ithout which they could not receive their incomes, were not represented in the rent-elLirgo. Earl GREY believed that the Hint Hon. President of the Poor-law Board had given notice of his intention in the other House of Parliament of introducing a Bill for the purpose of effecting some alteration in the law of settlement and parochial assessment. At the same time he could give no assurance that the proposed change in the law of settlement would be consistent with the Noble Ear.'s views. As far as he understood the Noble Earl', ♦iews on the subject, he believed that it would be moat detrimental to the interests of the country to carry them into affect. is expedient for the better education of the poor that a system of national education should Le established, to be supported by local taxation. ROMAN CATHOLIC BISHOPS ABROAD. Lord PORTMAN was understood to say that the ques tion with which the Noble Earl wished to deal was one encompassed by many and serious difficulties. Whether the Noble Earl intended to bring in a Bill to effect this object under another Administration he did not know, but he would advise him to pause before attempting to legislate en the subject. The clergyman referred to by the Noble Earl, as paying 10s. in the pound for rates, paid no more than the other ratepayers in the same parish. That the area of rating should be extended he would admit, but that was not the tithe owner's grievance. The karl of MALMESBURY, with reference to what had faLen from the primate, disclaimed the remotest intention of casting a stigma upon the Right Reverend prelates. The Rshop of OXFORD maintained that the clergy were suffering under a grievance which demanded re dress. That proposition he submitted to the Committee of last session, and it was negatived by two votes only. and if his two Right Rev. Brothers who were associated with him on the Committee had been present on the oc casion thu votes would have been equal on either side. By a strictadhorence to the letter of the law, it was held that the personal services of the clergy must not be taken into cousidsration with reference to the payment of rates; but if the law wore strictly interpreted in another res pect all property should be equally charged for the sup port of the poor. Some time subsequently to the pass ing of the 43d of Elizabeth it was found desirable, from motives of convemience, to exempt personal propery from direct assessment, and that object was effected in a roundabout way. As long as agriculture was protected tic consummer indirectly contributed to the support of the poor. Now, however, that the law had been altered—as he thought wisely—and the price of wheat wee regulated not by the expense of produc tion, but by the cheapest rate at which it could be brought in tram other countries, the consumer was re lieved from his indirect contribution to the rates; and the whole burden was cast upon the landed proprietor and the titheowner. This circumstance constituted a claim, not for the reversal of free trade, but for a re consideration of the principle on which rates were levied. lie was satisfied it would be found the law pressed heavily on a most deserving body of men, the parochial clergy of the Church of England. Lord BEAUMONT thought their Lordships bad allowed one error to run through their speeches in not regarding rates as taxes on property. There was no injustice at present, as all real property was rated on the same principle; but, if the rates were reduced on one deseription of real property on account of services ren dered, there would be an unjust distinction between the rates on the setae kind of property. He did not wish to see income rated to poor-rates, but thought realized per sonal property fairly liable. Lord PORTUAN observed that there wore duties rendered by lay impropriators which did not procure them exemptioa from rating—for example, there were services as high sheriffs, on grand juries, and in the militia. After a few words from the Earl of Malmesbury, Lord Wodehouse, and the Earl of Hardwieke, the petitions was ordered to he on the table. THE COMMONS ENCLOSURE BILL Sir K, H. INGLIS rose to put a question to the Under-Secretary for the Colonies, of which he had given notice, whether any answer had been returned to the dispatch (with an inclosure) addressed by his Excel lency Sir Charles Fitzroy, en the 30th July, 1850, to her Majesty's Principal Secretary of State for the Colonies (endorsed as received in Downing street on the 4th January, 1851); and if no answer had been sent, to explain the cause of the delay. And also to call his attention to certain inaccuracies in the printed copy of the said communication, as laid before the House, in answer to their address of the 24th February, 1851, and ordered to be printed (No. 105) on the 10th March, 1851. With regard to the first question, per hap., the House would allow him to recall to its remem brance that three or four years ago an order was issued by the Colonial Secretary, that the bishops of the Roman Catholic Church in the colonies should be treated with the same distinction as those of the Established Church. This produced a remonstrance from the Biihop of Sydney that precedence was given to the individual, which was denied to the office, thus leaving untouched the great question, namely, the right of a foreign potentate to give dignities to which precedency was attached. Mr. LIUME begged to interrupt the Hon. Baronet; he was going into details which could not at present be discussed. This Bill was read a third time and passed. The Earl of RODEN presented petitions against Papal aggressior, from Cavan, Dublin, Down, and other places. Mr. J. O'CONNELL said, that perhaps it would be better to defer the subject for the present, as of course there was another side to the case. The SPEAKER said that the Hon. Baronet had cer tainly a right to proceed as he was merely stating facts connected with his question, and not opinions. Sir R. H. INGLIS continued—This mode of settle ment of the question had been disputed by the Bishop of Sydney,and severaldispatches had passed on the subject. The next question he wished to ask was ' whether the last five lines of the first paragraph of the dispatch was a correct expression of the feelings of the Govern ment on this point. Mr. HAWES said that the paper which the Hon Member held in his hand was not in correct accordance with the dispatch which had been:sent out from the Colo nial-office. The fact was that the error arose from a typographical error. With regard to its effect in the colony he could give no reply, for no answer had been received to the observations made in return upon the dispatch received in this country on the 4th of January last. Earl GREY presented petitions in favour of the Copy. hold Enfranchisement Bill. HOUSE OF COMMONS, March 25. The SPEAKER took the Chair st Four o'clock. THIRD READINGS. The following Bills were read a third time and passed Leicester Sewerage. Ouseburn Bridge and Approaches in Newcastle-upon Tyne. arose out of that common law; and thirdly the decisions made under it were at all times liable to be reversed on an appeal to the sovereign of the realm. If, thee, in these three great particulars it was liable to be subject to the common law of the land, how could it become the dangerous agent which so many persons had represented?—(Hear, hear.) He was not surprised that the Roman Catholic laity of the kingdom desired to have the existence of this law more practically effi cient amongst them, for they desired the presence of a body of eminent men who would be able to settle questions upon just and right grounds, which were now too often decided only by prejudice or caprice.—(flcar.) That was the real state of the case—(Hear)—but they acted as if there was something improper or immoral in this law. They know that such was not the fact, and he would ask the Noble Lord at the head of the Govern ment, whether it was right—whether it was becoming— whether it was decent to raise at this time of day a cry of "No Popery" in the country ?—(Loud cheers, and collator cheers.) The canon law was at this time part of the law of England, it had been so, and would continue to be so, without any question of the validity of its decisions, until the Court of Queen's Bench should come to any different result upon matters which had been submitted to the operation both of the canon and the common law.—(Elear, hear.) They talked of the doctrines which this law would be likely to strengthen. He believed that many honest and able men in the Church of England were sincere believers in many of those doctrines.—(Cheers and counter cheers.) And they might talk of the effect of those doctrines; but when he saw an eminent minister of the Church of England obliged to be protected from personal violence by police when in the performance of his pastoral duties, he thought the less they dwelt upon the effect or the liberality of those doctrines the better. He would call the attention of the House to an incident which occurred to Bishop Butler. That Right Reverend Prelate contended for external religion, and he was branded as a Papist for it—mistakenly branded, of course. Now, ho thought the Tractarians could, like the great author of the Analogy, afford to treat the opposition raised against them with contempt, but he warned the Noble Lord at the head of the Government that this Bill would not set this matter at rest. As yet they were only on the threshold of the excitement, and to him it seemed fearful to con template the results which would inevitably follow the passing of the Bill. But it was said that the Church of Rome was despotic and intolerant, and for that reason it was necessary to have a law of this cha racter in this country. Now was ever before an argunien turn ad hominem more absurd than that presented to the House? Because Rome was intolerant, the country ought to be intolerant too. Such an argument was so worthless that it hardly merited a reply. and he had only referred to it for the purpose of protesting against its introduction into this debate. There was another topic upon which he wished to say a few words. The Noble Lord the Secretary of Foreign Affairs told them the other night that the Bill was a complement to the Catholic Emancipation Act. Now ho allowed that one of the clauses of that Act, to a certain extent, prohibited the assumption of titles but he denied most emphatically that it prohibited their establishment of a hierarchy, like that which the Pope had recently created, and he hoped that argument, like the other one ho had just mentioned, would be abandoned without delity.—(Hear, hear.) Instead of promoting animositie s b e t ween the two churches, the Legislature ought to strive to apply itself to soothing the angry feelings which prevailed out of doors, for he be lieved the Church of England had more to fear from irreligion than from the proceedings of Christian Rome, and he therefore called upon the Government to retrace its steps and rather assist the two churches in stemming the torrent of Atheistic principles, than strive to promote religious fanaticism and discord by a useless system of legislation. The Church of Rome ignored the existence of the Established Church of this country, and ho would recom mend the Government to return the compli ment, and treat these bishops as phantoms or nonentities which could aot be grasped. That was the only safe way of dealing with the so-called Papal aggression ; and though the Noble Lord could not recede from this Bill without injuring his own reputation, or proceed with it without producing great mischief, ho recom mended the House to adopt the suggestion at once. He hoped, in conclusion, that as the Noble Lord valued the peace, security, welfare, and prosperity of this great country, he would desist from proceeding with his fatal Bill.—(Cheers.) Mr. PORTAL, in rising to make his maiden speech, begged the indulgence of the House for a few moments while he stated the reasobs which induced him to vote against the second reading of the Bill.—(Hear, hear.) He could not admit that the Bill consisted of that judicious mixture of good and evil alleged by those who supportid it; so far from it, it was totally impotent for good, and all powerful for evil, while it was calculated to foment and excite religions controversy and dissension throughout the country, the injurious effect of which might remain for many years to come.—(Cheers.) The Bill was just large enough to irritate the Roman Catholics in Ireland, and not large enough to sa tisfy the Protestants of England.— (Hear.) He fully shared in the indignation and resentment which the act of the Pope had excited a spiritual invasion which literally ignored the existence of our own Church; but he disagreed with those who thought the measure of the Government was a proper one to meet the difficulty. The Bill was a mere mockery and delu sion, alike unworthy the deliberative wisdom of that as sembly and the dignity of this great country. Mr. J. O'CONNELL spoke the opinion of the whole of the Roman Catholic body when be affirmed that the Pope had no temporal jurisdiction in this country. He did not think that anything that had transpired in the course of the debate had at all advantaged the case in favour of the Bill; and it was clear that no Crown lawyer would so far risk his reputation as to assert that the supremacy of the Crown in religious matters was at all consonant with the common law. Blackstone, who would not have hesitated to assert such a doctrine, had at existed, had said nothing of the kind. He did not mean to enter into the subject, because the Right Hon. Gentleman the Member for Ripon (Sir J. Graham) had in a few sentences admirably refuted all that could be said upon it. He trusted that the Right Hon. Gentleman would go on in the course he had commenced, for the people of Ireland would appreciate his sentiments and his desire to protect them from insult, and to place them on a footing with the other subjects of the empire. At the same time it was a part of the case that Roman Catholics could scarcely be called upon to argue, be cause it was the very essence of their religion that they should allow the absolute supremacy and power of the Pope; and if any kings in former times had denied that supremacy they had ceased to be Catholics. In speaking of the affairs of Switzerland, the Noble Lord at the head of the Foreign-office stated that the r'roteatant majority in that country had a right to interfere with the education of the children of the Catholic cantons, simply because they were the majority. Was that doc trine to be entertained by this country, because, if so, he confessed that he should think it of the most startling consequence to the people of Ireland, for, though the Ca tholics formed the majority in Ireland, they were vet the minority in the empire? It was no unreasonable fear upon his part that such might be the case; and it was remarkable that there had been no answer from the Treasury bench to the eminent legal opinions that had been quoted to show that the first clause of the proposed Bill carried with it all the venom, and would have all the practical effect of the others which had been struck out. The Most Rev. Prelate the Catholic Archbishop of Armagh had been most peculiarly the subject of unfair attack in the course of the debate. But it was not true that Dr. Cullen was a man ignorant of Ireland. Ha wa s the representativ e f or many years, an d c h osen agen t, o f the Catholic bi s h o p s o f I re l an d at R ome , and be had therefore the most intimate acquaintance with the affairs of Ir e l an d. Hi s c h o i ce was no novel act on the prrt of the P o p e; b u t t h e consen t of bishops Ireland being re qu i re d was a p er f ec tly novel practice; of hticeo; that was a conce s sion ma d e by th e Pope, e had done and so h chose he might re vo k e th a t conces sion. II in this case for a m os t l au d a bl e purp n ose- He found that the Roman Catholi c e pi sc opacy had themselves by the arts and blandishments divided among ents o h f thweasGnoo vernment, and he had selected Dr. Cullen, o n, monk, but an eminent and illustrious a Ron. Gentlemanm of whom Ire land had reason to be proud. [The of Dr. Cullen, to read several extracts from the pastorald eus sled secret societies, show that he had strongly codnthe upholding of treason the preaching of sedition, and had been made of the pro able practices.] Complaint synod on the subject ceedines of the Synod of Thurles, but what crime was e there in the declaratiodistinctly laid down by of education? It d n s b o e f eb t , that writers of the EnglishbaProtestant Church that education province of the bishops and the 'and this principle had only was a matter within pastors of that Church, the Catholic prelates. [To show been carried out by mixed system of education, the the the danger of Honourable Member read some extracts from the evi dence given b y e a professor in 1827 before the Parlia mentary Commis sion of inquiry into the Belfast educe tional institutio ns, who admitted that h e did not con sider Jesus Christ to be God, but believed him to be a crea t e d being.] A professor of on e o f t h ose institu tions also wrote a work of such infidel tendencies that his brother professors, although no two of them enter tained tho same religious belief, were completely shocked, and called him t o account. It was, then, a mockory to say that there was no danger in this mixed system of education, when such men were allowed to exercise the office of professors, and , th e l aw h a d no right to require that Catholics should place their chil dren in such establishments. But the Noble Lord (Lord s r. Russell) had endeavoured to cast a slur upon the loyalty of Catholics because they would not violate their conscientious feelings by accepting these institu tions. That was a most audacious insinuation, and be (Mr. O'Connell) threw it back with indignation. In 1844 the Noble Lord declared that ho thought it a foolish prohibition to prevent Roman Catholic bishops from styling themselves by the names of their dioceses; and the Noble Lerd might he assured, that whatever Par liament might do, the Irish people would still uphold their bishops, obey their counsels, and reject everything that might tend to impair their authority. Mr. L A.WLESS considered that every Member re presenting a Catholic constituency was bound to raise his voice against the present Bill, and he felt himself the more bound to do so because he was a Protestant re- Presenting a Catholic constituency. When the Noble Lord now at the head of the Government succeeded to office bonfires of rejoicing were lighted up throughout Ireland, because the people rembered the opinions he had expressed in opposition, and especially his declara tion that Ireland was occupied, and not governed. There were now, however, other bonfires in Ireland, and in every one of them the Noble Lord was burnt in effigy. (A laugh.) It might be said this was but a proof of the fickleness of popularity and of the capriciousness ( f the people. That he ('air. Lawless) denied. It was the BANKRUPTS. Robert Avann, fellmonger, Westgate, Canterbury, to surrender April 4 and May 5, at twelve, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Cannan, official assignee, Birchin-lane, Cornhill; Venour, Gray's Inn-square; Furleya and Mercer, Canterbury. Robert Westmacott, nurseryman, Fulham-road, Chelsea, 4, at half-past one, and May 5, at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Whitmore, official as signee, Basing,hall-street; Holcombe, Ebury -street and Chancery-lane. John Glasspool, ladies' boot and shoemaker, Regent street, April 8 acd May 6, atone, at the Court of Bank ruptcy. Groom, cfficial assignee, Abchurch-lane; Wrc ford, Goldcrn-square._ Richard Jackson, farmer, Selby, Yorkshire, April 14 and May 5, at eleven, at the Leeds Diitriet Court. Hope, official assignee, Leeds; Wed&le, Selby; Bond and Barwich, Leeds. Aaron Crossfi , -.ld, coal miner, Ty Mawr, Glamorgan shire' April 9, and May 7, at eleven, at the Bristol Dis trict Court. Miller, official assignee, Bristol; James, Merthyr Tidvil, Glamorganihire; Bevan, Bristol. Thomas Britten, wino merchant, Suffolk-lane, Can non -street, April 1, at half-past one, and May 1, at twelve, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Bell, official as signee, Coleman-street-buildings; Sewell, Fox, and Sewell, Old Broad street. Adam Colyer, jeweller, Dover, April 1, at one, and May 1, at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. John son, official assignee, Basinghall-street; Harris, Moor gate•street. John Steele, brewer, Rochdale, April 10 and May 2, at eleven, at the Manchester District Court. Mackenzie, official assignee, Manchester; Hitchcock, Buckley, and Tidswell, Manchester. MARKET INTELLIGENCE. (From the London New Price Current, March 25.) SucAtt.—To-day Wet India Sug ar was offered upon rather lowrr terms, still the deman was small for all sorts by private treaty. The purchases amounted only to 410 hhds, &c, including at auction 120 hhds crystalized Demerara, which sold is per cwt cheaper, and went at 40s 6d to 42s 6d for mid and good yellow. There was a further increase in supply of West India. DEFINED.—To-day the demand was much better for Refined Sugar from dealers, and prices are firm, Brown lumps at 48s to 48s 6d per cwt. In crushed Sugar there is yet little doing, with free sellers at former rates. MADDITIIIS.—This afternoon Mauritius Sugar was dealt in with caution, and rather lower rates were ac ceded to; at auction 4,134 bags were chiefly sold, mid to fine brown 33s 6d to 365, fair 32s to 335, grey 35s to 4th, mid and good mid grainy 38s to 39s 63, mid to fine yel low at 37s 6d to 40s 63, inferior 36s to 375. EAST INDIA..—This afternoon Madras Sugar met with little notice, and of 1,439 bags at auction a part only sold at easier rates; mid and good grocery went at 37s 6d to 41s, and low brown was nearly all taken in at 28s per cwt; the public sales of 1,893 bags Bengal went off quietly at barely former rates, mid and good white Benares 40s 6d, low dingy 3Ss 6d to 395, damp 31s to 425. FOREIGN.—Today there was no public sale of Foreign Sugar, and privately only a cargo of brown Bahia was sold at 20s per cwt. MOLASSES.—There has been little business concluded and a desire is 'evinced to sell, low to tine West India at 14s to 16s 6d, Cubs and Porto Rico 14s to 14s 6d, Ben gal and Mauritius 12s to 13s per cwt. COCOA.—British Plantation is not offered under for mer rates, and the supply at market is small. The value of red Trinidad is 51s to 555, grey 45s to 503, and Gre nada 42s to 48s. In Foreign the sales made have been upon a small scale, Bahia and Para at 29s to 30s, and Guayaquil at 31s 6d to 325. COFFEE.—This afternoon there were few buyers of Plantation Ceylon Coffee, and privately some parcels were offered rather under previous rates. At auction 205 bags were taken in at 525 for fine fine ord. The market for native Ceylon has a dull aspect and 44s to 44s 6d is the value of good ord. Other sorts of Coffee met with little attention for home use or ex port, and prices declined 2s per cwt at a public sale of 1,513 bags Costa Rica; fine ord 46s to 475 ficl, good ord 44a to 455, one lot common 40s; damaged 31s to 443 per cwt. TEA.—Public sales are declared for next Tuesday. The middling and fine qualities of Congou are operated in with caution, and holders appear disposed to sell at from is id to is 9d, but common has been in good de mand at Hid to Is, medium is Old to Is oid, and the market looks firm. For good and fine sorts of Green the market has a quiet appearance, with sellers rather under previous rates, and there is a more abundant sup ply, but in ord sorts a good deal bas been done at late terms; Canton Gunpowder and Young ilyson have been ost in demand. Scented and rekOe Teas have met with little attention, and can easily be obtained at former rates. RICE.—In consequence of a further reduction having been acceded to for white Bengal, a good business has been concluded, and the purchases are 7,000 bags, including 2,853 bags at auction. The value of good and fine is now 9 3 Gd to I Is, mid and good mid 8s 9d to 93 3d, and low 8s to 8s Gd. Prices have ceased to decline for Madras, and there is an improved demand, 7s to 8s 6d have been paid for several parcels of picky. In cargo or pearl barley there is yet little doing, and is to 83 is the valu e . I n pa!na, wiles h ave been to a limited extent atfrom 103 6d to 17s fpr low to fine, town dressed Carolina 20a to 28s, and American 163 6d to 17s 6d. Sago is wanted, • anti rates tend upwards. At auction 525 box es rearzA 193 6d to 21a ed for mid to good small pe large sort 21 s 6 d to 23 5. For A rrow arl, and manuddatttis laintdoials24od,toot3heird.sorlt: Root there are few p m e r o re transactions extended havebcl b a s t e:l 2 i u d r o t n o 1 to ol l ß Od er , buyers; I t n he di v a alu d e sd. To of PT o e c s a t SncEs.—ln Black 3 ? sa les are upon er a a limited wale by priTate treaty at Miler lower /men, At REPORTS. The following Dills were considered and agreed to:— Alildenhall, Burnt Fen Road, and Lakenheath and Hockwold Roads. Pyecombe and Hicksted Turnpike Road. St. Patrick's Cathedral (Dublin). PETITIONS. A large number of petitions were presented against Papal aggression. Mr. HENLEY presented a petition from a place in Oxfordshire praying the House to pass a law expelling Jesuits from the country. Mr. MUNTZ presented a petition from a Society in Carr's-lane, Birmingham, in favour of the Ecclesiastical Titles Bill. Mr. WILLCOX presented a petition from several Roman Catholics against the Bill. Colonel MU RE presented several petitions from various places in Scotland in favour of the Bill. Mr. G. BERKELEY presented a petition against the Bill for legalising marriage with a deceased wife's sister. Mr. BERNAL presented a petition against the paper duties from Stroud. Mr. F. FRENCH presented a petition from a place in Ireland against the abolition of the office of Viceroy. Mr. SPOONER presented a petition from Camber well praying that a more stringent measure may be in troduced for resisting the Papal aggression. Sir G. PECHELL presented a petition from the un located members of the National Land Company residing at Brighton, in favour of the Winding-up Bill. Mr. FREWEN presented a petition from a place in Essex complaining of agricultural distress. Mr. W. J. FOX presented a petition from a Me chanics' Institute in Lancashire, praying for the repeal of the taxes on knowledge. Mr. HEDLAM presented a petition from the coach makers of Newcastle-upon-Tyne, praying for the repeal of the carriage duty. Mr. ROBERT PALMER presented a petition against the removal of Smithfield-market. Lord NAAS presented a petition from various Aus tralian colonists, complaining that Government had im properly neglected the subject of steam communication with Australia, and praying the House to take the mat ter into consideration. The Noble Lord gave notice that to-morrow he should move that the petition be printed with the votes. Sir DE LACY EVANS presented six petitions from various parts of Westminster against the Sunday Trad ing Bill. Mr. M. GIBSON presented a petition from the Chamber of Commerce of Belfast praying for an altera tion of the patent-laws. Mr. HUME presented a petition signed by 412 ma riners and others, at Seaham harbour, in favour of the alteration of several clauses of the Mercantile Marine Act; also four petitions from places in Norfolk and other places against the Bible monopoly. Mr. P. HOWARD presented a petition against the Ecclesiastical Titles Bill. Mr. ADDERLEY presented several petitions against Papal aggression. Mr. REYNOLDS presented petitions for the total re peal of the Excise duty on paper from the following places, and persons connected with the following news papers:—" Tyrone Constitution," " Fermanagh Re porter," "Balling Chronicle," " Lurgan Chronicle," " Tipperary Vindicator," " Londonderry Sentinel," " Sligo Journal," " Tralee Chronicle," "Newry Tele graph," " Galway Vindicator," " Coleraine Chronicle," " Rosscommon Reporter," "Kerry Evening Post," " Ballyshannon Herald," " King's County Chronicle;" and inhabitants of B a lly s h annom Colonel FREESTUN presented a petition from the inhabitants of Weymouth and Melcombe Regis against Papal aggression, and praying the House to pass such a measure as will be effectual to prevent the assumption of territorial titles, or the exercise of synodical action, on the part of the Ronaish clergy, under colour of any authority from the Bishop of Rome by bull or rescript. CONDITION OF IRELAND. Mr. BROWNE gave notice of a motion for the ap pointment of a Select Committee to inquire into the con dition of Ireland, with the view of suggesting a remedy for existing distress. PATENT LAWS. Mr. RICARDO gave notice that on this day se'nnight he would move the appointment of a Select Committee to inquire into the policy of altering the Patent Laws. FORTY-SHILLING FREEHOLDERS IN SCOT- LAND. Mr. J. B. SMITH postponed his motion for enabling forty-shilling freeholders in Scotland to vote for shires until this day fortnight. EQUALIZATION OF POOR'S RATE. Mr. G. BERKELEY gave notice that on this day fortnight lie would move a resolution to the effect that there should be en equalised poor's rate of ls. 6d. in the pound, subject to local government. COMMUNICATION WITH AUSTRALIA. Lord NAAS gave notice that when the Lion. Member for Lynn's motion came on, he should move that that branch of the subject which related to communication with Australia should be taken first. BORNEO—RAJA BROOKE. Mr, HUME gave notice that he should, on an early day, ask the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether Sir J. Brooke still held the appointment of her Majesty's Commissioner of Borneo. NATIONAL EDUCATION. Mr. W. J. FOX gave notice that on this day fort night he should move a resolution, to the effect that it c: . xv .% PETITIONS. The Earl of DESART presented several petitions complaining of agricultural distress. The Earl of HARROWBY presented several petitions complaining of Pupal aggression. ASSESSMENT OF TITHES AND RENT CHARGES. The Earl of MALMESBURY presented two petitions from fifty clergymen of the diocese of Bath and 'Wells against the present system of assessing the tithes and renteharges for the poor-rates. He referred to the Com mittee of their Lordships' House that sat upon this sub ject last session, and Bail he agreed in the recommenda tion contained in the 10th clause of that Committee's re• port, that the present mode rof assessing upon the full value of the tithe commutation, which in many instances was not received by the clergy, was unjust, ; and ought not to bo continued. Pensioners, fundholders, mortga gees, mines, except coal-mines, professional incomes, and offieial incomes, were all exempted from the payment of poor-rates, whilst the working clergy were not ex empted. From returns before him it appeared that in the county of Oxford clergymen paid on an average 2s. sd. in the pound, or 12 per cent. for poor-rates; in Dorsetshire the average paid by the clergy was 2s. 2d., or 11 per cent.; and in Norfolk the average was the same. That was the averag e, but in some cas e s indi vidual clergymen paid as mu ch as 15,20, and even 30 per cent. on their incomes. The prelates of the Church were to a certain extent withdrawn from the operation of the law, for he believed that they were not assessed to the poor-rate on their fixed incomes. In that respect the contrast between them and the working clergy was pain. ful. In one instance a working clergyman with 3001. pazd 10s. in the pound, or half his income, for poor-rate, whilst his diocesan, who lived three miles from him, paid nothing. This state of things was not the fault of the prelates; it was the defect of the law. The prelates of the Church exhibited on all occasions the utmost liberality and generosity. But why had the law been permitted to remain in its present defective state after the grievance had been pointed out? Simply because the Government had not the courage to grapple with the question; but be trusted that, whatever Ministry might be in power, the day was not distant when the anomaly in the law, which now worked so much injus tice, would be corrected. The scheme which he pro pounded in the Committee of their Lordships' House last session had been condemned on the ground that it was founded on Socialist principles; but the principle of the scheme was simply the assessment of all property, instead of particular species of property, to the sup pmt of the poor. 250 years ago a wise Sovereign and her sagacious Ministers, feeling that property had its duties as well as its rights, caused a law to be enacted by which property was made liable to the sup port of the poor. It was then intended that all pro perty should contribute equally to that object; but the rust of ages had impaired the efficiency of a part of the machinery of the law, and only that portion which ap plied to real property retained its pristine vigour. The original character of the law ought to be restored to it. He had been desirous of introducing a Bill founded on the principle of the scheme which he proposed in the Committee of last session; but it must be obvious that this was not a suitable time for bringing forward so im portant a measure. In the present state of the Govern ment and of the other House of Parliament, and taking into consideration all the circumstances of the time, their Lordships must be of opinion that it would be useless to propose such a measure now. In conclusion, he would lake the liberty of asking Ministers whether SIR EMERSON TENNENT. Mr. CHRISTOPHER, wished to ask the Hon. Gen tleman the Under-Secretary for the Colonies whether Sir Emerson Tennent had returned to this country from the governorship of St. Helena of his own accord, or whether he had been recalled by the Government. Mr. II A WES said that Sir Emerson Tennent had come to England in consequenco of domestic affairs, and that he bad not been recalled by the Government. CHARITABLE TRUSTS BILL. In reply to Mr. MULLINGS, Sir G. GREY stated that a Bill upon this subject was now ready, and would shortly be introduced into the other House. ORDERS OF THE DAY AND NOTICES OF MOTION. Mr. GRANTLEY BERKELEY said that in conse quence of the vote come to last night, and to which he was no party, both private and public business had been placed in a peculiar position, for if notices of motion were altogether to be set aside, in order to give way to orders of the day, private Members would be altogether ex cluded at any time from bringing forward their mea sures. He wished to know whether he could now bring on the motion of which he had given notice? The SPEAKER said that the Hon. Member could only bring forward his motion after the present order of the day was disposed of. It was always customary in the early part of the session fur the House to fix the days on which notices of motion should be specially en tertained, but it always reserved a right to itself of set ting them aside on particular occasions. Therefore it was that the Hon. Member could not now bring on his motion. Mr. HUME said that in that case private Members were always in the hands of the House, and might never bring on their motions at all. The SPEAKER stated that in former days the notices of motion were frequently set aside without cere mony at any time, but now they could only he super seded by the orders of the day on an express resolution of the House. SALARY OF THE MASTER OF THE ROLLS. In reply to a question from Mr. WILLIAMS, Lord JOHN RUSSELL stated that the new Master of the Rolls would be appointed with the understanding that the office would be subject to any alteration in the salary which Parliament might deem necessary. ECCLESIASTICAL TITLES BILL. Mr. Alderman SIDNEY presented 49 petitions from Wesleyan bodies in the different counties of England praying that a more stringent measure than the Govern ment Bill might be introduced with regard to the Papal aggression. Mr. NEWDEG ATE presented several petitions from Warwickshire against the Papal aggression. ECCLESIASTICAL TITLES BILL. ADJOURNED DEBATE. On the order of the day for resuming the adjourned debate being read, Mr. HOBLIOUSE said he moved the adjournment of the debate last evening, because he understood the Hon. Gentleman the Member for the University of Oxford, and the Hon. Member for Buckinghamshire, were anxious to deliver their opinions to the House, and not from any personal vanity of his own.—(Hear, hear.) He must that the more he had heard of the debate, the more he had sifted the different arguments of Honourable Gentlemen, and examined the question on its merits, the more he was fortified in the convic tion which be had previously entertained, that all legislation on the subject was unnecessary.—(Hear, hear.) Ile would grapple at once with some of the main arguments which had been offered, casting aside all those wordy arguments with which the subject had been invested for the purpose of deceiving the House and pre venting the people of England from discerning the real trutb.—(Laughter.) If be understood the arguments offered to the House, they were principally these—that an insult had been levelled at the Queen in her character as first magistrate, and also as supreme head of the Church; that her authority and prerogative had been invaded, and the independence of the country interfered with by the act of the Pope in ap pointing Roman Catholic bishops. It appeared to him that the word" bishop" had not been sufficiently considered, that they had not separated the essence from the accident, the spiritual from the temporal authority, and hence they were led into a great constitutional error. (Cries of " Hear, hear.") In order to show what the meaning of the word " bishop " wa s it would be necessary to look back to the history of the bishops, and see how they were appointed in earlier times. Now, he thought no one would venture to dis pute that the original mode of appointing them was by the laity and clergy per clericum et populum. This was the simple history of the origin of the bishops, and their functions were originally strictly spiritual. The temporal power which they now exercised was nothing more than an accident. The word bishop had reference more to an office than a title, aunt hence he objected to the Bill. It was simply directed against names, and he could not think that it was worthy of the House to mix itself with such a matter as this. This was not the first time .hat confusion had arisen out of names in this country. Similar disputes aroso in Scotland about the sixteenth century, when a good deal of excitsmont arose from the fact of some of the Roman Catholic clergymen having adopted titles, but then, as he hoped it would turn out now, it was thought uuadvieable to battle with trifles, and the excitement ultimately died away. Now if the House followed that example on this occasion, and no longer frittered away its valuable time in wordy debates about nothing, the Legislature would elevate itself in the estimation of the country. Lofty terms and large expressions bad been applied to Rome to stigmatizs her for insulting the Sovereign of these realms; but those lofty terms and large sounding expressions were just as much applicable to the Free Church of Scotland as to the Pope of Rome, for they gave titles to their Church dig nitaries without consulting the Crown. Such, then, were a few of the objections which he enter tained against this Bill. Ho had many others, indeed their name was legion, but he should be falling into the same fault that he was condemning if he wasted the time of the House by going over the whole of them. He had stated enough, he thought, to show that the measure was wholly uncalled for; and since he thought it opposed to the spirit of the Reformation, as a staunch and uncompromising Protestant he should assist his Roman Catholic fellow-subjects in giving it his decided and steady opposition. He maintained that it did not belong to incorporated bodies of any kind to petition the Crown on the subject of Church matters. As to the ar guments which had been used of the Pope's supremacy over the consciences of his followers, he asserted that the Roman Catholics of this country entirely repudiated any interference on the part of the Pope in their temporal concerns. No such power ever was conceded to him by his most ardent supporters in this country. The Hon. Gentleman then proceeded to refer to the three questions which had been submitted to six of the Catholic universities of Europe—Louvain, Paris, Douay, Alcala, Valladolid, and Salamanca: whether the Pope mid have any temporal jurisdiction in this country, whether he could absolve Roman Catholics from their allegiance to the sovereign, and whether there was anything in the constitution of the Roman Church which forbade its members to keep faith with heretics. All these questions were answered in the negative by each of the universities, and more than one of them expressed its surprise that such opinions should be entertained in a country so celebrated for its intelligence and freedom of thought.— (Hear.) He thought, therefor e , h e h a d f u lly succe eded in de monstrating that bishop in its original signification was t not a title at all, and that in this c ou ntry we ought not no ta he angry at the P o p e i n t e rfering in spill Ju matters, when we know that ho had done so long a„ o ! They were gravely told th a t th e Church was to be .aw. sub jected to the exercise and j ur i s di c tion of this canon Why, when ho looked ar o und and considered the that law, p House he was quite sur p r i se d t h a t the people should in any w a y h ave b ee n &arms(' at such a bugbear as this. Let them look only into the suture of this canon law, and to its true position. If they did so they would find , that it was, in every.case, subject to the common n i t a r ; of England. All the great writers by wh ops had been ad orne d averred that cuen was the case ; and Blackstone himself, than whom no greater au thority could be adduced, had stated that the canon law was overridden by the common l aw at all times during our history, as rus e remarkablyplce it evi dent by three great ensigns. It was in the first on a ly subject to the common law; was in the sec on d to be construed and explain ed b y the statu t e s which Noble Lord who had been capricious, for be had not fulfilled his promises. The Noble Lord had.given t he Irish people Arms Acts and Coercion Acts; and be (Mr. Lawless) had the authority of Mr. Berwick, a revising barrister in the south of Ireland, for stating that the Franchise Ac: passed for Ireland would, so far from operating beneficially, be a disfranchisin g Act with re gard to a large portion of that country. Then in the terrible famine with which Ireland had been - visited, and which was met by the people with P a. tisanes) which did them credit and honour, the Government had not taken those measures which they were hound to take, and he contended that they were responsible for every life lost by that fa mine. And now, to crown all, the Noble Lord propol'ed a penal law directed against the Irish Catholic clergy, who had behaved in the most exemplary manner duriug the famine, for he could say, from his own experience, that but for their exertions there would have been blood shed from the north to the south of Ireland. He regreted that in the course of this debate the Hon. Mewher for Surrey (Hr. Henry Drummond) had used language which—although he (Mr. Lawless) was a Protestant had excited in his mind a feeling of horror and disgust. The Speaker had ruled that the Hon. Gentle man Wet in in order in using such language, but he (Mr. Lawless) could only say that in no other Assembly in the world would any one have been allowed to use suc h a string of obscenewords. A meeting had be'rn held on the subject of that language nt Kingstown, and resolutions had been adopted expressing surmise that no notice h ad hear) taken in that House of te disgraceful language u sed within it. He believed there was not a tingle Member of t hat House, whether Catholic or Protestant, who did not regard that language as most shameful, and he was sorry to see that, ire the resolutions of the meeting to which be ha d referred, the Noble Lord at the head of the Government was coupled with the Hon. Member for West fumy. This he supposed had arisen from some mistake; for the Noble Lord had never used such language as that e itt i : dulged in by the Hon. Member for Surrey. 1 0 eu the only fault he hal to find with the Noble Lord,swaa that ho had not sufficiently condemned th e lao g uage et that Hon. M-tuber. Nothing but his advance d a g e (as we understood) prevented that Hon. Gentleman from being severely dealt with, and ho (Mr. H. Drummond)had better not trust himself in Ireland, or he might' perhaps, meet with the same sort of treatment that t n u been experienced by General Haynau in this country. He could assure the House that if there was one the indignant feelings of the people of Ireland, whateverea sure which was more calculated than another to r tn o s u s e n e insult to their clergy. There was no excuse on for extending this Bill to Ireland, where no aggresstiich had been committed, and where no pretext for an y I s s ord legislation existed. The way in which the Noble etc brought forward this Bill was worthy of the mostt petti fogging attorney. The Noble Lord wrote his nod other letter, containing allusion to " mummeries, an Ca language which tholic tellow-subjects; and then, in excuse for u,t such language, the Noble Lord said that gave very just offence to their st.soug directed, not against Roman Catholics, but agagn" Puseyites. Why, then, legislate against Catholics, and not against Puseyitel (Cheers.) He was glad to say that many of the 1 1 ° testant clergy regretted the system of legislation nowt.. was Parliament called up0n5:,......t0 attempted against the Roman Catholics of Mr. Lawless then read some this "u l ti t i te Y r rumps front ao_f written by a Protestant clergyman to a Meg3berb that p ro- House, expressing the opinion that it was not g ° , vince of the Queen to confer spiritual rights. ,`,„ s , writer observed that because the temporal barony whAv o r t the Queen added to the spiritual dice was th e seen and regarded, the mistake had been m ade of,ca the names " bishop" and " archbishop" " :Wee,' when they really were only ecclesiastical designations of Pesl, sous who sustained a spiritual office in tte eP iecq church, just as the name " ministers" was th ohol? given to persons who held a spiritual office in or Presbyterian churches. The writer therefore ferred that there was no ground for any measure be in eAs gard to what had been improperly termed " sumption of ecclesiastical titles." Such WAS the, ho was a bishop taken by a Protestant clergyman; would to Met guu sso f e t ss o Solicitor-General, comparing our present relations With !—(A. laugh.) The argument o Rome to those of Roman Catholic times E D g ie n n u s was absurd ; in Catholic countries bishops were n et appointed by the Pope without the consent of the sol e, reign, but now we did - not acknowledge the po t p b e With regard to the he feeling upon the subje ct, papers, particularly the Times, had made the most R o t the question, and done all they could to excit e p u h lt spirit; in that day's Ti mes there were five letters wstn regard to Miss Talbot's case—(" Hear, hear, ° lld a laugh)—he regarded this as showing the sor t of false impetus given to the subject in order to bac k up the,, Noble Lord in passing this measure.—(" Hear, bear; "Oh!") It was painful to him (Mr. Lawless) to c! trust the language used by bishops of his own a rgotic with the temperate address of the Roman C Bishops of Ireland to their flocks upon the subject of this measure. (The Hon. Member read several ex tracts from this address.) Surely the proceeding now in ques tion had arisen as much from ignorance as from& wish ques tion offend. It was not impossible that the Pope, especially should wish to insult in his present weak state,church and ex asperate a country like this. What bad occurred wa s very much to be attributed to the shameful state of things , as between the Pope and her Majesty, with regard to temporal subjects. With 7,000,000 of Roman Catho wlich s in Ireland, there should be a proper understanding t the head of their church. This could not have arisen if there had been a concordat with Rome. But wha t had we? Why, a titled spy; for the Noble Lord who went to Rome was without any proper credentials, and was desired to make out the most he could of matters at Rome. Then followed a misunderstanding as to what passed with the Pope; and some stated that what then passed in regard to this measure bad very much encou raged the Pope in this " aggression."—(Hear, hear ) With regard to the scandal which had occurred in Ire land, in respect to a the godless colleges," as they were called, he (Mr. Lawless) begged to say that he did his best to further the national system there, and his father before him endowed four or five of the national sc hools —(Hear, hear)—he was very sorry that from some °Il e ; understanding between the Government and the heads o f the Catholic Church—it could be nothing more -413e° colleges were not likely at present to be of the use h° had hoped they would be.—(Hear, hear.) He proceeded then then to refer to th e o pi n i ons g i v en by Mr. "" gan and by " Messrs. Bethel! and C 0.," and stated that he believed the Bill went further than the Noble Lord (Lord John raussell) wished or intended, though, Heaven knew, he intended bad enough to the Catho lics.—(Laughter.) The Hon. Member adverted again to the case of Miss Talbot, expressing (as we under stood) his belief that she had had her own free will. and that she had always intended to come up t o London. LA MEMBER—" For the Exhibition?"--A laugh.] Yes, but a pretty exhibition there had been.—(n!ar ► hear.) She would be the only sufferer by the She had:his sympathy.—(Hear, hear.) With respect to the course taken on the part of the Governmen t, who said he could not believe the Noble Lord meant wha t be wrote in his letter; he had too high a respect for for his intellect.—(A laugh.) The Noble Lord took as vantage of a cry, thinking he could strengthen hiceee, in a position in which he felt shaking.—(Fleur' hear*/ Not having gone fur enough to please the " Protestant ascendancy boys"—(A laugh)—and having deserted the real '• religious liberty men," and those who were for total freedom of conscience —(Hear, hear)—he would find that " between the two stools he was falling to the ground"—(Laughter) — and would probably be over whelmed in the ruins of his own agitation. Mr. MUNTZ thought it was a thousand pities our Govern ment connived at, or did not protest against, the occupation of Rome by the French; but for that the Pope would have had something else to do than disturb the peace of this country.—(Hear, hear.) This discussion had often turned aside, as he thought, from the real question. He did not support this Bill on the ground of the question between the Roman Catholic religion and the Protestant, which was the best religion. Each had a right to his osn religion, and each might think the other's ridi cu l ous; it was the old story Orthodoxy , is my d or y, an d h e t ero d oxy i s an other man's (A. laugh.) The real question was, had the Pope comTitte . d . an aggression aga i ns t th e Sovereign' and t he people of this realm ?—(Loud cries of " Hear.") .Now it was this that was a great a g g ress i on (Hear, hear) —an impu dent and arrogant aggres s i on —(" H ear , h e ar," and "No") • all those speakers who were not under the influence of the Pope. —(hear, hear.) The Right Hun. Baronet (Sr J. Graham) in his very able and clever speech acknowledged that i t Then, an aggression, an d an offensive one. - (Hea r, hear.) hen, if so, upon what principle was Protestant England to sit down and submit to an a ggression from th e Pope c h a (Hear, hear, and che ers .) Were we come to su miserable condition that we must submit to an Bigg ressi°l from any quarter whatever, wi bout meeting it? (Cheers*/ On the introduction of thi s Bill he (Mr. M u ntz) assigned a reason why he voted for its introduction, viz., that he had never been able to discover that any country where the Ca tholic religion had been supreme had enjoyed liberty or prosperity.--( Hear, hear.) He bad listened attentively to this debate, and had not heard any instance given; and one of his objects in rising was to ask if some gentleman could enlighten him upon that point. - (Hear, hear.) Till them', en, however, he must act upon his own judgmeat.— (H hear.) The practical question, as the matter regarded the prosperity and welfare of the country, was to be considered; and, not having the slightest wish to persecute or injure any man because he professed a different religion from his own, he (Mr. Muntz) was not going to encourage a religion which was not found consistent with the prosperity or the interests of any country where it prevailed.—(He ar, hear.) He did not admit the necessity of the appointment of these . bishops; he was informed &hat every advantage of the _Cat tholic religion was obtair.ed under vicars-apostol ic, and tpa being so, why was he to consent to appointments leadiriFjo so much dissatisfaction and unpleasant feeling between diff rent sects?—(Bear, hear.) With one very small exception there was no state in Europe where bishops were alloyfed, be appointed by the Pope without the consent of the Go called upon to vernment ; why was Protestant England to t as do what no other nation, Catholic or Protes tants would do? (Loud cries of "Hear, hear."l But it bad been done lately in Austria. Well, it was the interest of the Austrian Go vernment to keep their people in a state of s ubjection. Could any one show an instance where there was a constitutional Government maintained under the Catholic religion? [A MEMBER Belgium.] Belgium was hardly born.— (Hear, hear ) How long had it existed ? [A 311 : 31 BER—Twenty years. What 14as an existence of twenty years? - (Hear, hear.) People said, "Oh, don't fear the Pope; he is sur rounded by French ba) ousts." That was a reason for fearing him. lie bad no opinion of his own.---a Hear, hear. ) Who could say bow nearly the matter might be connected with the Emperor of Russia or of Austria? (Hear, hear.) It was the best card they could play; they never had such powe r as they would have if they could employ the Pope's influence.—(Hear, hear.) lie (Mr. alutitz) was very very much struck w i t h a spec h made early in this debate be an Hon. Baronet (sir R. Peel, we be lieve)—a manly, English, independent, straightforwar d speech.—((%heers.) There Wes in S w i tzer l an d a state—Fri burg—where the Pope was allowed-to appoint bishops free Of the control of Government. The bishop there encourage d the people to march against th e Governmen t, and gave money out of his own pocket for the purpose. He was I" rested, and sent across the frontier to Rome, He had beers received there as a martyr.—(Hear, hear.) Wail 010