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hatl7" -. '" - ---------...1 ...,-.....- . . . o it . 1 4 , ,35 been sfrrounded by ii:flicultics, and he did not . see alii,Z i rion to rinse ti fili•uilies in any i f the i 1 epositioiis lihi t h t i li a ' , l ever been male to Parliament. The priac4iie Nal l ii,h t ? wl re now ariplyihg had been used ever since the lim n ti ;. slit of the reformed religion in this country It was ii,,,at:ertyaatilit,h.dattetlie univ , rsi"eQ colleges, and schools of the er, founded, and ' if it were ci asigeil they would Ntitr alter the whole .tyi.ti-n of ecciesia-i:cal polity in im. toe r4 ,l'.atid interfere with every sect of seta:jou% stiiinicia in the lihipdrYt Accurding to the o;i-ion of his Noble Friend At e ob . 'in the ceurse was perfectl clear, but he thought that he which his Noble Friend wished to serve would nor re en They might go ten years back, or a hundred IVlid he feared that his Friend's - position would not be red. I ,j Earl of WICKLOW' had thrown all that overboard. iei 4rbuie of WELLINGTON was glad to hear that he litel t ti lwit all that overboard, for he feared that if he went ro„i d, 7 l. l ir 200 years, or as far as 300 years, or as far as he kaki It Position would be the worse the further be went 0 Was r a sh er 1 . 41 a curious assertion that the estab is - 1 4ppetti t this institution was inconsist- nt with the Oath . of i ta, ty. ae ,,,Ts Now he himself had taken the Oath of Supre '4 14 'Do State had imposed that test, ant he asked be it 0)le Lord to c,riFult the Acts of Parliament, and ) op, r i d find man • which, ' while they stated that the , tk ltie th ad is not,. and ought l not o have . any power or jurisdic 7s,t; realm, never stated anything which made it n -414,4%;a th em to give a grant tor the purposes of the Catholic Wh et% ,How, he would ask, could it be a breach of oath, 544 t,,,,,, cow he themselves knew, that there were many tsfi te , the oath of allegiance, who never took the oath of N. Y at all ? tie thought, if the Noble Lord had te s into t h e . . ieet t , original statutes of the year 1795. he would t 'ae he studeuts and all who were employed in the college, ' l tr er t he necessity of complying with the provisions of ~,and 14th George 111., to testify their allegiance. 114 °Ittd 41 7 2 1 p these this measure, for he considered that it W t i i t e s " t ltt e , t r with the most beneficial results as regarded I h il l l l i te E ar p o ridition of the people of Ireland. o t, ,teb e ' 1 WICKLOW explained reference to the „N e i, ,taken for the endowment o the Catholic Church p,.. ''''. li, '" L u iett he had referred in his speech a few months ' 4 04, - ` 4 °tteht that if a measure of that kind were not itt k i i(faie infinitely more dangerous would be favourable; r i j tte l ~t he l did net take advantage of the present 044,1' a demand would be made in a succeediog N'o, - 0 and from a source not at present antics isb!tuith would sap the foundation of the Protestant t kli ttt la Ireland. He was perfectly aware that unless some L ilit tat e e lat ' r e were ado ted —unless other measures of a con ;, te ndency succeeded the one at present before the '44y:4.1'1,011e would not add to the improvement and tran iv that country. IN 4fee words from Lord CAMPBELL, 011aL arauis of BREADALBANE said that he opposed Opp", ti e was desirous to redress every grievance which tie in Ireland, but he considered that every • l e 7redress brought before their Lordships should always ‘ h , le°, those great landmarks and fundamental prim- N I -c ° existed in their own Constitution.—( Hear, ' lie thought' that the enactment of the Maynooth grant a , "ateeded at first out of a spirit of toleration, as no k 14 , 4 10 11 ege could at that time be founded according to tie cat he thought it never was contemplated to perpe- Lkse.grant, or to throw its support for all future time upon ri,r of this country. One of the best bulwarks of the strsttdeirii.g.hts of the country was the establishment of the 4 th eton, and if they sacrificed its interests they en at safety of the constitution. The Noble Locd 1td 44114 1 4 1 ,. t d A number of documents to show that t. e 4 7 let:et-4 Parliament of 1673-1679 was summoned k ,,ttly p k) ned by the Prince of Orange and the people, upon ',.ekt Ipuestant principles, and proceeded to say that the Oltft,„' l l Was contrary to the spirit, if not contrary to the 1,.' es,i; of the d ocuments h e h a d rea d. By th e corona qt,t, chile, Majesty had declared the principles of the ,t tkLord,Preh to be superstitious and idolatrous; an:! :ee l it '' ttl i al'ixt called upon the Queen to give her sanction to Oki .." P'oposed to endow the very same error. It there eyekszl.tensistency in this, he did not know what consis- Z ttt . These facts ought not to be got over by an ane h i- V 4 of t rit Y, contrary to the declared sentiments . of t . e 04 h e ?gland, and it the safegu trds of the Constitution 01,4 Violated in this most daring manner, he did not eh Government would 'recome of the rights and privileces of the Qliff:Trernment should dissolve the Parliament before 4'try ~- e4 this measure to pass, for the cons'ituencies of the Zitsa th "" e ld never have returned the present Parliament had kt i , Sikh remotest idea of the course they intended io pure IN b a course was wholly opposed to the principles 114 , ij t he present Government when they came into k ittitttil p 4 : Wholly opposed to the opinions of . his te_ ~,. riends around him. It was a course digs N:4 4 4 by nearly every European State in 4 1 ,. 1 114 an d he believed there was not a free and independent tteip 4 0 r istend om that did not renounce the monstrous and fe w le eines to be found in many of the test and class-books %11,0,15 an Catholic establishments. Having very imper ,ni,..their Lordships in possession of the grounds of his . 117 14 tio',. t° the present measure, he would merely remark in 1,11114, th at if these was any denomination in the country a: 1 4 44 41 °re right to complain than another of this measure, fi;Ste t i o who dissented from the Established Church upon 4 % l a' Principles. They had not only their own reit fkbtrllt "shments to maintain, but they had to contribute IL to the Established Church, and now they were call , d 117 eat e ,.,Pay for the promulgation of doctrines to which h ei _ l ll4i,, - " t ned strong conscientious objections.—( Hear.) I s _Nat ir s aid that the measure which they were about Vtedoas.wholly inconsistent with religious feeling. They q . the i ng a religi on on w hi c h, as on t h e re li g i on o f Scot , ‘, 14 b e l eat ncised no conditions—( H ear , h ear ) — an d th e y i l dl'e bt ,L,se they would not destroy the grace and power of i kis wi . w ould they tell the Presbyterians af Seotland that, l i il did a k their religion, they made certain conditions which it, Th't call upon the Catholics of Ireland to subscribe *®sa s s e soble Lord concluded by stating that he considered ► t 'lls at variance with sound policy, wisdom, and . justice. hilt 47 1 of CHICHESTER wished to say a few words Vi 4t 7• l. ti e give glee his support to the third reading of the Let t should not enter into the constitutional question 4 t7 ellti4 - been involved in the measure raised by the Noble t. i e 4 , a att, • v other Noble Lords. He could not see any Is;L e ßti ;, 4 etw%n the measure of 179), with respect to the l laynooth, and the one before the House, which but carrying out the liberal intentions on which re eds s o ,, n , Was founded. Objections, he knew, were felt by fe lt 1,": at ttd respectable body of their fellow-countrymen, treasure tati e l'elt he wished to address himself. It was eV Ofi th there were grave objections to the ftt i e est ahlill tiliitiz grounds. He differed with those who No 4 i e t o th :,opinion as it should not be disc . ussed_with rhe lstQ's4eri s e e ,ldgious question involved. But it must not e , tit ei , - e * h t , - ,because he gave his support to this measure, t lar o -tl ts ofh`et:rous of injuring either the spiritual or tempor t al t.' l4 h s e e at. his-Arend, subjects. Although h . e, in common wi h h vok,'t c 'nerch efered with the doctrines of the . Roman .411 - 4 hlireh t 3 la siould not act as a Christian if he . ;, Fl is t l ed i Zr n e th t Z e t d n e o o t e n t e Z w n h e s: as anti-Christian.—( Hear, hear.) had discnseed this measure were .)ts le I n t : go that length. He held that it was fallacious to ~, • %se t t, to a religion which might be less ( k ill t ri e tte s ez th e one which we professed, but whose p;) in -er e held by a great body of the people. is -s or either teach the Roman Catholics by their own O m tl, else they must be left altogether untaught. He ~.tl r t b lere" e 6 , in ' i oe a stlre to be founded • n justice, and trusted that Ne !ests' w ed up by a corresponding policy on the part of Nti e - 4 1 li f s , Government, that Ireland would be found Ca th7.lll:44aYing the blessings of civil and religions liberty to tik_ty W e re s entitled. He confidently believer! that if such Nrilipr adopted that that country would be no longer a Ni t ° ht" le ra in British legislation, but an aid and a sup hrs. be - e°4 otry. The time had gone by when Ireland 4 t i'lled hgoverned by a hostile policy—when she could be 4 4,,, t t1b5il a military force, or be scourged into a tempo kll,7 it e °4 • He should vote for the measure, as he con tat?. to Ireland. t tii 4 1 ve °f ROSSE said he had resided in Ireland all his tti',444(l as d eeply interested in all that concerned that coun t t, h;.e4evine that the measure would be productive of t . :.s t ile ' t• sh°lllll' give his vote in favour of the third reading. '' ye v itn e it was first tiro nsed he was of opinion that it lof t t h much improvethe P educa ' tion of the Roman Catholic lot 114 W as, therefore, surprised when he heard it said ybj et , t c ontained no c l ause f or t h e purpose o f e ff ec ti ng I t beai. T hey had a guaran t ee th a t th e b e st education N t a i thW ert to the students which it was in the power of nth Cat -8 to impart. Those who had seen the educated ‘ t, a kiholic priest, ' and the priest sent from Maynooth k,hp,L hernia, stuntd education, could bear testimony to N, 41 s i ' l i,, et al effects of education ' on the Catholic priests. 14," ~' that education would give power, and that that he asi,i' a ld be used aeainst the Protestant Church. e l , e4! t : a t hat that aratiment was welt founded, it would . i lk ts to the most earnest consideration; but, in his r,,„ . ltet t ). suj i t .an argument was totally unfounded. He tVeil ~4 N o b', 'surds whether they had observed, in the t i ll e, t i't kli . .. ° ;` n ., a ° Cacho priest, priest, or in the priest sent from 1, 14 a ht "" i n a stunted eel."catlon, anything hostile to the i r l ti " i t i ltit s te t : t qs'ion. 'Fherefore, i :okin to this quegion, in t it l t t , ,Olilf, e view, he should say, g s did not think the opi 4. (~ to ntroverted, that the Roman Us. and 1-I ` . .holic priesthood k llt ?Ot k ," °4l 'l not be expected to oppose this 53 ste'.^l of educe c‘ll,4 theme Noble Lords had said that this measure would k ki ll 'ore . e ovs of the Roman Catholic clergyrne . tt: Zalitth,,,;;;anting that this would be the ca e, he should wisl itV 4 oot. ~,t h e revenues of both churches stood at the pre- Jetsly the rev th esti hlated revenues of the Roman Catholics had been lone time, and at other times Op t livl", o s am tha ta ta c i c ire d oto a t tlae Established ' Church. Il h e kkki the that the revenue of the Roman Catholic church l it N t ay th r evenue of the Established Church. But . k, t s iNati n t in this measure there was not the most distant tttles i kl n 4l to an endowment of the Roman Catho tslreitY°ti, If indeed they gave the Roman Catho. Itie e , , e t same ower that they gave the Established i irl op skn a _t i n . en there might be some ground for oppose. e,,,,ole,ripation had long existedlreland, and it had Ztl . a *lithe been termed a religisins in Ireland, This Inca- But he was per -4s e ,„iltely to quell that. agitation. N y of ex:vare that this measure was regarded. by some Old L'Ore shears sectarian opinions as an evil, but he was tiltte.: e e n ' n th .at by the general classes of the country . it It ia kt tlt sidered a great boon. Now, he did think it .t ri l i sss( a u lte r the Roman Catholics h ld be lot, t iqtit; "ear, hear) They would find it the onl o y u m m e a a n n y s 11:4,,lashi g eh t bscone en t and anarchy. There e . 1 44 ' , A lit , k he should wish to direct the atten v' ti r o e n of l the so t O N 4itt e ll4 do li h", i s, stage of the discussion he should not r o .)e . ),, ,t -‘4 th t • however that eve man in Ireland must r f o. Itic i it; tl d tintt nis measure, brought forward by the Gove I S, i ft,Nl il d by . the other I - louse, would conduce to the Op tn kt i, appineas of that country. They is e re: tI01‘; th." the ass this measure they might sett 44 ,a1 thew inere y ase P of d sec . tarianism, but is his k 7 1 iii tile ~ L , the very opposite would be the effect pro ksril ~,t n d er s e e N ° 4 s who guided the peasantry . of Ireland were 'itl tl i tki ll 3.... 4 ti re et men, who would look with Ivirror upo n Iti I tself ; "ears ) They knew that Ireland whild not I s N ' h 4 4 4 an independent nation, and that in connexu.n ti:l 4 e, 4 Of n: c ountry than this, could the public possess anti c ! `, l , i 'il and reli than lolls liberty. The Noble Lord con- Vtd '-'4d cheers g by giving his cordial support to the t qN,,, e t/saz s ., 4e,'tsr 4 th, 'ARTY defended the speech which he had VS Oh 4,,, 'econd reading, and again referred at length to 'We rth tur n , fah In el e pur nts from which he had quoted on that o . cca lON • whi e sP o se of exposing the pernicious and unchristian I ti. S y It to t'4 his alleged were taught at Ma)nootti. He P0: 4 ola -I s euty to reject this Bill, and he trusted that ta,'ls - 1, 4 f it, t=o te when his countrymen would appreciate the 41',114-tierio, Reformation arid he able to enjoy them. I V t i l , 1 i 10ri1, ' ,, (4 LANSDoWNE did nut intend to take up itiOr e . ant. -,," of the time of the House at so late an hour Lo4 3 ' he w tltt before he gave his vote in support of the I, ;s l 4 tah) 4l vbh. l l, ' " e d to make some observations as to the `le t , ho t ' to to t, he was convinced that this vote . would be tourlcl,,',,M e Peace of Ireland and to the security of the Nts 4h t4 ' h Y h h• He entirel ' concurred with what had 1 :1,,l, 4: 4 ,. of e h N a "hle Lord opposite (Lord Rosse) as to the ili lk s 'or gY, , _nog an educated instead of an uneo - ~l li ,l ll ee , ( 4lv atic - : 1 1 as t o the other benefits which the s,e'rit7,hiehl'ele `snood Roman Catholic priests would have trip", R 'ad I,'' coUntry. Whiqi respect to the distinc t:i ", Cot r nt is,,"'en attempted to be raises! between a tem ''„44:ll,l ado,,", a Permanent endowment he must say that he `l ' ;',el e „rtt i , - 1 ., that the distinction was supported by the 14 :4` i4 A e ` 4 4 -%,, had been so oaten referred to. if upon MI d had e /esposed to a grant, the difference of t ofthe°tLaffect that principle. Nor could they shut "'ring fact that there were seven millions of TILE STIN, LO'NDON, Y.T-TESDAIr the subject before the House at the earlieit'_ possille tame. The hardship of this case was that the a , !verse decision of the Committee did not ari-e from any denA•its in the measure it-elf, but from ti:e tact of a clerical error—an error that had escaped the notice of the original promo ers of the Bill and also the Standing Orders Committee, and which was not detected till the Bill was brouuld under the cons derat ion of the present Committee of Inqu;ry. the Committee, though they did not consider the error as fatal to the merits of the measure, were , ieverthele,s bound to take notice of it, and re. ort in the manner they h a d dune. This was a case of special and peculiar character, aid called for the interference of the House. He . did not call upon the House in dealing with the ; case to reverse the decision of the Committee, but to grant further powers of inquiry to the Committee. As regarded the power he proposed to vest in the Committee, he did not be lieve it would be exercised prejudicially either towards the par ties interested in the measure or the public. The powers he prop :sed they should exercise were there which had been exercised on several occasions by the standing Orders Com mittee. He could state.a few cases in which that Committee had allowed the sections and the datum line to be corrected. There was a case during last session in which an error similar to the one in the present Bill was allowed to be corrected in a branch of the Sheffield and Huddersfield Railway. In chis present year the had been eight eases in which corrections had been made. Of these he might in-sauce the Wakefield, Fontefract, mid Goole, the Cornwall, the North Wales, and the Urightou and Chichester Railway Bills. Ile saw no reason why a power which had been exercised in these several instaimes might not with perfect safety be extended to the present Com mittee. The merits of the competing lines was not the ques tion at present, but it was, whether it would not be julmous and proper to extend, in this special arid important case, thu e powers of reconsideration which had been exercised by the Committee on Standing' Orders. Wei e this done, he was sure the power would not be abused. Viscount COURTEN AY said he was anxious to state a few words before the House gave its decision. He might state that the facts set forth in the petition were correctly stated. It was true that an error was discovered in the Com. , mittee in investigating the engineering evidence, but he was forced to say it was merely a clerical error, and did not at all affect the main features of the Bill. The interests of the land lords on the line were not prejudicially affected by the error to which he had referred. ESTCOURT said that it had been decided that cer tain notices should be given to that Houso and sections of hoes lodged preparatory to the investigations of the Standing Orders' Committee. It was also required that the datum line should be marked. This had been departed from inn the present instance. If the error was a clerical error, they had had plenty of time to correct it, and he did not think there should be any depar ture from the rules of the House in the present iustaace. 0, her parties had been called upon to comply with the standing orders, and had been successfully paying proper attention to the getting up of their sections and their specifications, and if any mistake had occurred, they were themselves to blame for it, as it had been occasioned by their own neglect. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUET2 said he thought it was a case i❑ which the House ought to interfere. Statements had been made which showed that the error was merely a clerical error, and did not affect the merits of 'the Bill. As a great measure was involved he did not think an error of this kind ought to interfere with its progress. He should support the motion of his Hon. Friend. Lord G. SOMERSET was opposed to the motion. If any re-investigation was to be made, the Bill should be :eferred again to the Standing Orders' Committee. Mr. W. PATTEN thoaght that if it was consistent with the rules of the House it would be better to refer the matter to the Standing Orders' Committee. He would rather support an amendment of that sart than the motion of his Hon. Friend. He would, however, wish to have the opinion of the Right Hon. Gentleman in the chair on the subject The SPEAKER said he did not think it would be eon. sistent with the standing orders for the House to adopt the suggestion of the Hun. Member for Cheshire. The House then divided, when there appeared— For the motion Against it 77 ... 118 Majority against the motion. -41 RUNCORN AND PR t..S I'ON RAILWAY. The second ,eading of the Runcorn and Preston Brook Rail way Bill was agreed to, upon the motion of an Hon. Member, whose name we could not learn. LONDONDERRY AND COLERAINE RAILWAY. Lord SANDON moved the ,iecond reading of the London and Coleraine , Railway Bill, which i.va.sagreed.to, BROAD AND NARROW GAUGE. Sir GEORGE GREY said that, as there was a great deal of anxiety felt by the public abroad, as to the time when this House would take up the consideration of the very important question of the broad and narrow gauge, he would wish to know whether it was the intention of the House to take it up to inwrow? Mr. :.RAMSTON said it was a question of great eon sequence, ana therefore he would propose that it be taken up on 'I hursday. After a few words from Hon. Members - on both sides of the House, it was agreed upon to take up the subject on Friday. The Agricultural and Commercial Bank of Ireland Bill was read a third time. SCOTCH BANKING BILL. Mr. HUME presented several petitions on the subject of the Scotch Banking Bill, but amidst the confusion which pre vailed we could not collect the import. A great number of petitions, relating to railway and other private Bills, were also presented in a state of the House which rendered it impossible to distinguish them. BRIDGE OVER THE SEVERN. Mr. ROEBUCK here rose and was on the point of ad iressing the House, amid the most intense silence, when Captain BERKELEY said he wished to ask his Hon. Friend opposite, the secretary to the Admiralty, if the bridge over the Severn, which had already been objected to by the Board of Admiralty, as calculated to obstruct the naviga tion of that river, would be allowed to be erected ? .Jr. CURRIE ( who, from the excessive noise in the House, was almost wholly inaudible) was understood to say that mea sures would be taken to prevent any interference with the in terests of the public by the contemplated construction. Mr. HUME observed, that by a rule of that House, no Bill which was objected to by the Admiralty, could pass with out the sanction of that Board. He believed, however, that when the Bill in question was opposed by the Admiralty, their objection was contravened in consequence of their not appearing in person or by counsel before the Com mittee; he wished to inquire whether the letter from the Ad miralty prohibiting its erection, was not sufficient to prevent the passing of the Bill. Mr. BECKETT was understood to say, as Chairman of the Committee before whom the Bill was heard, that no appear ance being made, the preamble of the Bill was declared proved. Mr. HUME said be hoped the question would not rest there because it was a matter of very great importance. The clause had been introduced to remedy great inconvenience, and if the subject were properly understood the Bill would not be allowed to Vass. Sir ROBERT INGLIS wished to ask a question of the Under Secretary for the Colonies, viz., whether the represen tatives of her Majesty's Government in Ceylon }Ltd paid honours, or in any way countenanced idolatrous worship in the island of Ceylon. Mr. HOPE in a few words replied that no such countenance had been given to such worship. The Government offi cers had given directions to discountenance the idolatrous cere monies referred to. Sir ROBERT INGLIS was satisfied with the explanation. An HON. MEMBER, whose name we could not learn, put a question to the Secretary for the Colonies, whether he had seen an edict issued at Hong-Kong, for the suppression of Secret Societies there, awarding a sentence of three years' imprisonment and hard labour, and branding on the right cheek, after the manner of deserters The following remarkable words concluded the edict, that if any member of that society should be slain by the people in any disturbance, no inquiries should take place as to the manner in which the death of the individual had been occasioned. Mr. HOPE was aware that such a society existed as that mentioned by the Hon. Member. It was a society consisting of a considerable Lumber of persons, who were all bound so lemnly by oath to obey the directions, whatever they might be, of one person, whom they regarded as the head of their establishinent. The society was a band of robbers and assassins, and was a terror to all well-disposed Chinese, upon whom the confederacy were in the habit of levying a species of black mail, for the preset vation and protection of their lives and property. It was also true, that the members of this society possessed power to brand on the cheeks any persons who withdrew from their association, but it was not correct to say that the punish ment of deserters in the royal army consisted of a visible brand on the cheek—it was only a secret mark, by which they might be ident lied on inspection. In all the jurisdiction of the Tryad Society over the Chinese subjects their powers were re ported to have been supreme, and no notice would at present be taken with respect to the power they possesed. CHALLENGE TO MR. ROEBUCK. Mr. ROEBUCK rose and said he had a very important matter to bring forward with regard to a question of the privi leges of that House. He would w:sh to call the attention of the House to a letter which he had received on Saturday last. A carriage drove up to his door, and a person having knocked at the door, the letter which he held in his hand was left at his house. The letter was addressed to him personally, and was dated from the Reform Club, The letter was to this effect, that the writer wished to know if he (Mr. Roebuck) had used these words as reported in the Morning Chronicle, or words to that effect. Here the Hon. Member ',all the passage as enclosed by the writer of the letter, the substance of which was, that he (Mr. Roebuck) had said that the parties to whom he had al.uded, under the peouliar cir cumstances, deserved very little respect for their position or their intellect. The writer then went en to say that if he (Mr. Roebuck) used those words, the insult to him, the writer, was plain. His second question, then, was, was he (Mr. Roe buck) prepared to justify them? He (the writer) presumed that he (Mr. Roebuck) was too well read in the history of chivalry to misinterpret the meaning of this word, which the writer had underlined three times.—( Loud laughter.) Sir V. BLAKE rose to order. He was ready to admit that the Hon. Member (Mr. Roebuck) had an undoubted right to express his opinions in the House, upon any measure brought before it, but he had not a right to catechise or to lecture apy Hon. Member who—(Loud cries of ‘f Order, order.") The SPEAKER said that the interruption of the lion. Baronet was most irregular.—( Loud cries of " Hear, hear.) Mr ROEBUCK then proceeded to read the conclusion of the letter, which was that the writer enplowl thp Murni ng Chronicle, and had marked the passage. In answer to that letter he had written what he would now read, and which he delivered himself. The Hon. Member then read his answer, which was to the effeet that he would answer the Hon. Mem ber's letter in his place in the House of Cnin rnons ; t h at the House should not be coerced in his person--,-(Ch ee r s )— an d that he would take the proper means of punishing such threats. Cheers.) He cone;uded by expressing a hope that the writer of tiae PhAllepee was suMciently read in the law of his country, not to nnsinterprei Copat lagghter pc! chprrg.) Sit, I win now about first to move that the letter be read by the clerk at the table.—(Cheers, and laughter.) The SPEAKER asked whether the Hon. Member for Sligo was in his place? •"• . , AO. . flop in hip planes Pl 4 11P.We4 lq tho Speaker. The Clerk at the table then read the letter at length, alter which, Mr. ROEBUCK said, Sir, I am exceedingly sorry to be obliged to adopt the course which I fi el it my cliAtA tR sue. I feel it, however, a pararlioipt duty—not as regards topelf, buF ay regarils the privileges of this House—to make the following motion, "'That J. P. Somers, Esq., having sent a challenge to a Member, for words spoken in this House, is guilty of a contempt and breach of nrivilrzp reasons for taking this coFze 1 tiba4l state' I's 'alency and shortly as 1 cap. If' it'wer6 a question that regarded only my elt, the law would have afforded me instant protection, and 1 would be quite prepared to throw myself, in such a case, on the law's authority. But this Is not rp;tte;• in wi,ich i am concerned. It is the House that is concerned—and the privileges of the Members—and the most valuable of those privileges is the free expression of their opinions as to the conduct of public men. Under these circumstance; I claim the right of availing myself of the privileges of the House, certain as lam that 1 myself have corfirrtitt.sil p broi•:0 pf iti privileges. 1 thought peoper to refer to - tile superiority in intel • lea of some of the Hon. Members in this House, and I have received in consequence a letter sugge,ting that an Hon. Mem ber should be allowed to shoot at me.•—( Laughter and cheers.) I do not think that that shows any superiority or that it proves any superiority of the intellect. I throw aside all ether e9si7 MORNING, JUNE 1/ 0 J 845. , e s I feel as aM, mf deratiot, , thinner w het,. ' .er of this House that lam aeting ) Hr. ROEBUCK said he had been accused of using 'an in a into l yr 4.j ...• . : 0 ., „i1 ' , A pursue this con, se, anal, thereiot e, gua.ge unfit to be head in the Hunters, and he thought the Hon. assuming that • eota ree •/- ' w ill eioL deny mY right: todlo so, t Gentleman . ought to be called upon to retract those expres- I shall move the, ~. ''.!' .iich has already been received by ! sions.--e( Cries of " No. no," and " Hear, hear," and great • the Hou.e., I contusion, in the midst of which), Lord AsHr,EY said, I rise with great satisfaction to second. Mr. TURNER ruse, but not one word the Hon. Member this motion with the n 1;5 : heartfelt thanks, not only for my- said re ac h,' us . self, hui a l so or, I if. xi convinced, a great majority of the Lord J. MANNERS was understood to express a hope that Members in this House, ; nd of right-minded persons through- the House would not call upon the Hon. Member for ern th e cour a r —the it A inks of t h ese persons w h o l oo k w i t h Limericic to retract the lan g u age h e h a d use d . alarm at any' breech i s f the privileges of this House. 'file Mr. SAIFI'II O'BRIEN rose, evidently labouring under ini.n ' go far to es' .ab dish not on l y a soc i al , but a v - concededry great ex ci t ement , and sa i d that which had been to gre ' atci ' s li n i stitutional pnivl 'ge. I can foresee, Sir, the time the Hon and Learned Member for Bath had been denied to when, if this sys , em vv . nic 't , the Hon. and Learned tlembec for him. He had used most offensive language towards him, and Bath has called our attenti o.n to, was introduced into this Ho use , had nut retracted a single offensive exp r e ss i on w hi c h h e h a d and into a deliberative as sernbly—l can Fee the time when used towards him in the debate on Friday night. W as th a t liberty of speech would 1 ir. a t on end, and whrn we should so or not ? meet here as our rinoestor s me' h ere , not f or t h e ex hib it i on of The lion. Member sat dow n , ex p ec ti ng an answer from the reason , but for violence :it.d to the sword.— (Che..rs). In Hon. and Learned Member for Bath, but the Hon. and Learned seconding this motion, Ih. re:, we, Sir, I tender to the H o nou r .. aentieinan. assuming a particularly derisive look, turned his able and Learned Memiseo• for t3ath, in my own name and in back to the Hon. 3lornber, and did not stand up. There the name of many gent' er ten of England, and as I said be- Lyon. fore, in the siarnii of thot isands of his fellox subjects. Id o Mr. SMITH O'I3II.IEN said the position in which I stand s en d er t o Mos :ny most sin sere the talks for the manly, the coo- before thi. , country is this, that I have been insulted, a n d the rageous, and the constitr Atonal c nurse which he has taken.— Hun. anti Learned Member for Bath. winos, offensive ex ( Loud cheers). pressions still remains unretracted and unexplained—( Order) Mr SO.MERS there rose and said—Sir, seeing the feeling The SPEAKER—If the Hon. and Learned Member for of the House, I have no hesitatiiin whatever in withdrawing Bath had made use of language of an unpirliamentary oho that letter wnieli he I..aa read. It was merely a letter of in- racier, it would have been my duty to call him to order._ quiry. —( Great laughter). The Honourable and Learned ( Hear, hear.) It did not appear to me that the lenguage .it ember fer Bath d, d. not condescend to answer th e s e i n - used by the lion. and Learned Gentleman in the debate on quirks. Ido riot call an question his motive s f or 1 , 0 1 doi ng - Friday night teas unparliamentary, and therefore I did not call so. I tam here. Sir.. in the hands of tale Hoag, and I bow him to order. No Hon. Member, on that occasion, call, d the with unaffected defer ence to the de c i s i on of t h e H ouse . I li on . an d Learned Gentleman to order, o r i n any nay s i gn ifi e d am lade incatted ten play with the authority of the How e , that he was using language of an unpar li amentary c h aracter.— The sense of the Sieaker is paramou n t o n all occasions. an d ( H ear , hear.) I cannot, therefore, admit that either then, or the sense of the II ruse I conceive is on all oceasems p ara . on the present oceasion, the Hon. Member for Bath used un. mount. I certainly de deeply regret this matter. —( Loud parliamentary language.—(hear, hear.) cheers). Ido deeply regret, that an y ma tte r so personal to Sir 11. W. BARRON—When language, said to he of an myself should haee oce,vpied th e a tt ent i on o f (he House for offensive character to Hoe. Members of this Helve, *as used one moment. —( Cheer s). If the Honourable and Learned by the Hon. Member fur Co: 1: (Mr. O'Connell)— i Member for Bath is satisfied with this explanation I trust the Just at ,this moment ,Ir. O'Connell himself entered the House will be satisfied.. I think I can add nothing to what House, amid loud c h eer i ng an d waving of hats from lion. I have said. 1 trust, boweve r , t h a t t h e H ouse w ill bear with Members on the Opposition side of the House, am! derisive me for one moment.. while I call the attention of the Honour- laughter from the Ministerial benches. Mr. Brotherton, Al able arid Learned Member for Bath to the observations which h e etennan Humphryes, Mr. Hawes, Mr. Roche, and others came frequently makes. am ethe gross imputations which he occesionally over and shook hands with the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, casts upon certain :ilembers of this House. I will take the as soon as he took his seat. There was great excitement for a liberty of sayingthat the Hon. Gentleman's observations do not moment, or rather the excitement which previously existed always cerrespend with—(Here the Hon. Gentleman hesi- was increased. The Hon. and Learned Member seemed in tated for a moment) —I must take the liberty of saying it—do excellent health and spirits, and laughed heartily, apparently not always correspond' with the truth so as to entitle him to at the coincidence of his name being mentioned just as he en permanent respect. IT beg to apologise to the Howe generally tered. Soon after Mr. S. O'Brien went over to the lion. for intruding on its attention. and for being the cause of en- Member, who shook his hand warmly. Sir H. BARRON went on to say that when Mr. O'Con croaching se considerebly on its tim e .—( Loud cheers.) Sir. G. GREY assured the House that he felt deeply for tell had used offensive language to Members of that House, the Hon. Me-nhee who had last addressed the House,—_ Hon. Gentlemen opposite took a very different course from (Cheers.) He understood him to say, at the commencement that which they now pursued. The lion. Membe r f or th e pursued, Aembe of r s using o f lans that s of his explanation, that be retracted th e letter which h a d b een Univer s ity o f O x f or d to ld the Hon. and Learned Member fur the origin of the present di-cussion; a rnoresat satisfactory he gunge line 2ge of a; Cork, on thatl offensive occasion, that he charactershould be towards cautiousconduct,oitioui,iri,t h , c e ou d l o t r l o n g rot his duty he urusuott.d deprecate the p rac ti ce House ; b u t th e H on. G entleman had not given that es orlon to, still heconfessed too often adopted of resenting supposed injuries. He thought the Hon. and Learned Member far Bath, which would be quite the course adopted by the Horn. M em b er f or B a th was t h e as welt placed; for it was notorious that the Right Hon. and only one consistent with his dory to the House and to himself Learned Gentleman was in th e constant habit of using Offen which he could have pursued ; and he at the same time hoped sive anddictatorial language towards Hon. Members.—(Order.) that this, the second example presented to and by that Hon. The SPEAKER interfered, upon which Member, would teach others to value a similar course, while Sir H. W. BARRON explained. He meant no personal it w.erned himself to be more regardful of the feelings of others. offence. What he meant to say was, that an Hon. Member —( Loud cheers. ) He agreed with all that had been said by who used such language as the. Hon. and Learned Member for him against the immoral and unchristian practice of duelling; Bath, ought not to be so choice about the language ued by c o o atnhl Sirdeeeu rrlsa," R. andle:de PEELt po t r h wr v a i t lueanoggdneaesti whoagain ef inftetheea s ir it h pn t o • g l i is t s, e odo r u. e f s d eHil l o n s i neh m . ot s Auh e ti I de f um i g n n n bh oet trestnuihe_serey(l privilegesaot fo c eg e a a ur s a. i g o ) not to give or accept a hostile measure, in s te a d o f yi e ldi ng to n extended to the unwarrantable course he pursued o n Frid a y e but his approval was limited to that one sentiment, and was not night. While lion. Gentlemen made it a point o f consc i ence the feelings of indignation or resentment, they should at the of the House had been vindicated, and regretted that the Noble same time be pirti e elarly sedulous of preserving the language Lord (Lord Howick) was resolved upon pressing his motion. of gentlemen.--( Reiterated cheers.) He did not wish to give The Right Hon. Baronet instanced the case of Mr. T. Hope, offence to the lion. Member for Bath, but he only felt he was now the Lord Justice Clerk, who had acted in a similar manner doing his duty in reminding him that there was a tone and as the Hon. Member for Sligo, and whose apology was accepted a gesture calculated to give offence.—( Prolonged cheer- by the House. ing.) He heard his speech on Friday last with that After a few words from Lord SANDON and Sir V. BLAKE, attention which the addresses of the Learned Gentleman inva. the resolution expressive of the approbation of the House at riably demanded, but he felt at the time that it was calculated the course pursued by the Hon. and Learned Member for to produce needless irritation. Truth might be spoken with Bath, and condemnatory of that taken by the Hon. Member plainness and with honesty without wounding feelings or pro- for Sligo, and also the amendment expressive of the satisfaction clueing offenc e . S uc h, however, was not the tone usually of the House at the apology of the Hon. Member for 'Sligo, adopted by the Member for Bath ; it was net the tone adopted were put and carried. on Friday last; and while he deprecated it he could scarcely The subject then dropped. wonder at the emotion of feeling on the part of the Hoo. Mem- Mr. OSBORNE asked whether the Right Hon. Baronet the ber for .Sligo.—( Cheers.) Secretary of State for the Home Department would bring on Sir R. PEEL, observed that the Hon. Member for Bath the Academical Education question, in case the hour at had taken a course consistent with true courage, at the same which the Irish Banking question concluded was late. time heeeillingly admitted that the Hon. Member for Sligo had Sir J. GRAHAM said he would not pledge himself to the made every reparation in his power.—(Cheers.) He bad House, buto would not certainly bring up the report on the ret , acted the letter which Lad given cause to the present un- Academical Education question at a very late hour. fortunate discussion, he had regretted the hasty course he haul ANNUITY TO SIR H. POTTINGER. adopted, and had apologised to the House. A more complete Sir R. PEEL said that he believed that the unanimous reparation could not possibly have been insde by any man.— feeling of the public, the appreciation of theconduct,character, (Loud cheers.) At the saute time he thought, as the Bon. and public services of Sir Henry Pottinger were such, that Member had made the fullest reparation in hit power, that the independent of the personal question of merits which were Hon. and Learned Gentleman should be satisfied with the ex- universally acknowledged, his claims upon the gratitude of planation which had been made. his country were equaliy well appreciated. He proposed that Mr. B. ROCH .s did not rise for the purpose of prolong- the great services which Sir Henry Pottinger had rendered to ing this unpleasant discussion. They had entered into it with his country should be remunerated with a pensiou of 1,5001. unwillingness. He th o ught his Hon. Friend (Mr. Somers) per annum, commencing from the date on which Sir Henry , had given all the reparation in his power. lie could not, how- Pottinger was to resign his cull pay as her Majesty's Plenipo ever, sit down w ithout remarking that it would be very tenniary. He proposed that that pension should continue ab weßif the Hon. and Learned Member did not use such severe solutely for life. He proposed to grant this pension as a mark language, anti if the [l o use would, by a strong intimation, show of public acknowledgment for past services, and though future that it was determined to discountenance all such attacks.— events should again render it necessary to employ Sir Henry (Hear, hear.) It caused irritation and excitement not only Puttinger again in public affairs, he trusted that the feeling of in that House but out o f d oo rs, and the repetiti on of suc h l an - the country would be that he had sufficiently merited the gra guage was by 110 m eans calculated to raise the character titude of his country. of that House i n the opinion of the public. A pledge had Mr. WILLIAMS had no wish to undervalue the services of been given t o th e H ouse o f withdrawing the offensive words, Sir Henry Pottinger, but he mast say, that when he looked to but he considered the H on , and Learned Member for Bath the extent of those services, which were brought to a conclu would not be justified in withdrawing his motion. sion creditable to himself and beneficial to his country—when Lord 110 Ne ICR agreed with the Right Hon. Baronet that he looked to the nature of these services, he was willing to go as the matter should not be withdrawn, in consequence of the full far as any Hon. Member in that House, but he did not think and ample apology tendered by the Hon. Member for Sligo. If that he alone should be remembered, while the services of the matter were withdrawn it would appear on their minutes that others were nearly forgotten. He believed that the naval and a Member of Parliament was justified in sending a hostile mes- scientific services of Sir William Parker could not well be ex sage to another Member for expressions employed in that ceeded, and yet that G a llant Ad m i ra l h a d only rece i ve d a pen- House on public business. He was not prepared t o consent to s i on o f 300/.• per annum ; anti this, be it remembered, not for the withdrawal of the motion. He considered that the motion a particular service, but for the greater portion of fifty year,, liming been confirmed, the next course non dbe to form a the most part of which time he had been at sea. Sir Hugh second resolution, to the effect, that alter the full and ample Gough, also, the Commander-in-Chief of the army, had riot apology of the Hon. Member for Sligo, the House would not been pensioned in an equal degree for his public services ; and take any further notice of the matter. it nought be established as a nangerous precedent, if every Lord PALMERSTON submitted that, in his opinion, a public servant was to come down to the House, and for the resolution pointing out a s i ng l e individual would necessarily services he might have rendered in two years receive a pension imply some opinion on the part of the House that blame and like the present. censure had been incurred by that particular person named in Sir G. STAUNTON, while giving all credit to the services that resolution. It appeared to him that the apology which of the army and navy, thought that the very important nego. had been made to the House by the Hon. Member for Sligo nation which had been effected by Sir Henry Pottinger was a sufficient amendment on his part to restrain the House ought not to be overlooked, and he certainly did not think from any further proceedings. It further appeared to him that the degree of gratitude which the Government _ , o r tas w d a i s s- a that the objections of his Noble Friend might be fully answered posed to show was disproportioned to his services. He c°- by t permitting the proposed resolution to he withdrawn, and to sidered, also, that the appointment of his succesee - •"" have, as a substitute, a general resolution, to the effect most valuable one, and he, as one Member ee p e e n s o i o f n thin to Right ir H H e Hon. what that it was a breach of the Parliamentary privileges of the would most willingly support the metioe et that House, House, for any Member to take notice by a hostile message of Baronet. .piartidaisa acmomerpeanmya,rakridofththeesepeoucina-1 what had pissed from any Member in that House. He quite Sir R. PEEL said fbh t too h h a iei t olau t k h re e dt pursuedmb pr fo in r try's gratitude t w ud a e s fnooro services a ß g a r t e h et t l iest,, with , e o d th t e h r eir Hun. tha n e k l s em fu t i s r e rs th t e h i r tt ou t r h se e E. rendered_ in China. That gentleman of such had left the service o ff . a e d A e l t e challeegee vi as to strike a blow at the constitutienal functions and peculiar serviees rendered to his country were not of Parl,ament. There were many Hon. Members who if simitarlv only to be leoked bringing the matter bsfore the House. Thite!eon(h. te—the ha ( ci treated, might have been thriven to the destruction of them- tainted )ay bein g taken 011 Y t, of the 0_ t a O s look to the loss he had sus- E t India Company's service. selves and to the injury of their families. He thought that the The Government did not fo ,. , get the services of the army anti navy, House ought nut to try the lion. Member (Mr, Roebuck) with but these were pee:war services, and should be equitably respect to his speech the other night. He (Lord Palinerston) rewarded. wished to show the tine courage of his lion. Friend in coming Lord PALAIERST . ON did not recommend that this vote forward in the way in which he did. There was many an shoeld not be a precedent in any similar eases. He should be Hon. Member in that House whose courage had not been tried, delighted if it were to be considered on and that it would who had not been putt in a situatio n lik e hi s H on . F r i en d , and lead them to re ' e, ward in an equally liberal manner services of who could not come forward arid throw himself on the House) sender importance. It had besaid Member been by an Hon, . . to vindicate not hanselt alone, bra the privileges of the Hoese, that the services of the a He thought the remarks of the Hon. learoeet i I Ill , alttaced, tion which resulted in China.yr aru H n e ave had led to the (Lord negotia- Paimerston) did not arid truly inapplicable on this occasion, Ho wished to know deny the services of the andstoy but this did not in the whether this was a breach of privilege, and if it smallest degree injure the al character navio ie . which Sir to o his t those services . were, what should be the way of dealing with it. The Hon. Henry Pottiii.er had renderedH e entirely ccountry.. . . Member, in the commencement of his address, made every re- agreed w ith the Right le on. Baronet as to the principles which preen' it was possible for mast to do. It was not a question should regulate the choice of • persons for responsible situa inFriend (Mr. • • which his HOD. - dons. He knew that it was impossible Ministers could be in terned, it was a question of the privilege of the OtMe, If his thence(' by party or personal considerations. It must be the Hon. Friend was sorry he ought to have town set right on object of official men to appoint to confidential employments Friday, and they then ought to hive tried hint for his impru- the most able and the fittest persons, without regarding what denee, and for the manner i n w hi c h h e expressed h i s opinion might please any individual.—( Hear, hear.) And the Minis on that subject. Had ho not been held up in a way in which tors had done themselves great credit by the appointment ofSir the characters of others had riot been ; and was the Hon. Henry Pottinger. —( Hear, hear.) He would say again that Baronet to lay down a rube as to how he was to express his he felt the greatest pleasure in supporting this grant which feelings in that House. If they were to oonduot themselves would carry out the decided wish of the House of Commons peaceably and quietly they should above all have freedom of who shared the responsibility in this case with the Govern opinion, and every man should be allowed to express his feeling ment.—( Hear, hear. ) o f erston the injury he ieceived, end if he acted wrong he (Lord Pal) honed that they would call him to order. They were only of the House of Commons, 'out of the who 1 e country.— not now to try tie Hen. Member for Bath, when the qeestion (Hear, hear.) He believed, from all that he had heard, that was as to the conduct of another H on . G e ntleman. He thought such was the feeling of all the leading h o men in manufacturing that his Hon. Friend de serve d the therike of every gentleman a n d conitnerenal Concern —( sHear, ear)—with the single ex in the House, ceptien of his Hun. Friend (Mr. Williams)- h 'd h o sal tbat t e Sir R. INGLIS tha n k e d his on. Friend for the Christian pens i on m i ght have been avoided. ' N ' ' " No man had ever been manner in wheal) he seconded the motion. lie observed a more adverse than he (Mr. Hume) to unnecessary pensions.— strong anticee opinion on both sides of the Eleuie, that, (Hear, hear.) But he had never expressed arty other opinion if it shou be the pleasure of this House that the motion be than this, that although withdrawn, the Honourable Member on the other side of the the power 1 • House should express his regret. He hoped he would not be had alwa o! granting prodigal and unmerited pensions, yet he that whenever it was proposed to give a pension naistinderstoadeenaitiely, that he should apologise to the House, to a ma? who deserved it, he would support such a grant— and to the Hon. and Learned Member for Bath, and exprese his (Hear h , ear)—and such was the present case.—( Hear, hear.) regret that the letter in question had been sent, Less titan that fe• is Hon. Friend said that Sir Henry Pottinger had done no would not satisfy the House, - or secere to soy Member of the more than his duty, and had received his salary for that duty. House, as well as to the } inn, Winker for Bath that privilee Now he (Mr. Hume) would say that if the negociattons had which he (Sir lis Inglis) regeeded the most essential of all their been frustrated, and the salary had been paid for ten or a peieilegasee.ermsiely, the free expression of opinion in th t dozen years, the argument would have some force. But the House.—( Hear.) He entreated of the House to attend t o tit greatest merit of Sir 11. Pottinger was that, with such a observation of the Right Hon: Geritleman, the Member for people, and under such circumstances, he had brought matters Devormort, and he hoped that if Hon. Members could t of be to a satisfactory and beneficial conclusion so soon.—( Hear, held responsible for language used in the debates that hear.) He admitted the claim of the naval and military ser- House, neither slionld they use those irritating and offensive\N vies s to the highest credit, but he did not think the great epithet z—( Hoar, hear) —vs which gave unnecessary • ' out taking upon himself the task of acquittill7n. tag Ltb - merits of Sir H. Pottinger, who directed all the movements, nourable and Learned Member, he i teetfolet 'that the In. were disparaged by that admission.—( Hear, hear.) And at Io- the same time he would express his opinion that the pension noureble and Learned Gentleman I t : evones, ail reflect' that observations were made hy Ides. not only on Frida wn, feel ought to date from the day when the treaty was concluded. Friday night., After a few words from Mr. WILLIAMS, in explanation, but in other delep es, gee no other occasions, upon the condeet of The question that 1 , 5001. per annum be granted to her Ma- Irieli Alemnere, which the necessity os the case did not jesty, for the purpose of bestowing a pension upon Sir Henry demand or justify. lie did not mean to say that the conduct Pottinger, was agreed to. of the Irish Members was jusefialele, on the contest I view that L disposed to agree in the genera. they were not yhe was The House then resumed, and the Report was ordered to be acting brought up on Thursday neat. properly in abeenting themselves from Parliament. H e did IRIS ANKING BILL. hope that whilst on the one hand the House would interfere On the order of thef da y y or the third reading of this Bill, effectually to prevent such pernicious conduct, lien. Members Sir R. PEEL said (as we understood, for the Right Hon. would feel the propriety of acting in a roanner so as not to give Baronet spoke annecessary offence, and with a view to maintain the ch • . . erecter tinct tone)—that the two amendments which had been intro of that Honsc in the option of the public.—( Hear. hear s e The tipE,A kER then read the minute which led been duced into the Bill would, he believed, prove satisfactory. One of these related to the averages, and the other to the made on the books of the House containie s ee the Offensive ex n pressions le.fore stated, and the a s pole e ey of' the Hon. Member issues.' Mr. SMITH O'BRIEN rose to move the amendment of for Sligo already mentioned, had already stated his opi which he had given notice. He . Sir W. SOME" VILLE expressed a hope that, after the ful ris 1 nions of the measure, and he would not now occupy the House erpl emple apology which had been made by his Honourable cessarily He thought that if the Government had eon- Vsiend, the House would permit him ttl pass without further u e nne - . - lof the Bans of Ireland, censure. During the time that lee (Sir W. Somerville) had n d ed t itself to . and thetheofmonop y links, the measure would. been in the House he ltesl never, known his Hon. Friend to h•setie beenorequiring fu securi y 1 but in the circumstances of Ireland to use . have been fo 4 ily o f a single offensive or u nparliamentary expres •He would not " • r-14' would be • • e restrict the circulation anon,—( ear, heat. Mr. t it detain the House by the discussion of the general principles, that ROEBUCK said, he had set out with s t at i ng th ' , but would proceed to move— was not upon his own accurst he brought thi s matter for. " That it shall be lawful for any bank now existing in Ireland, ward, but in melee to vindicate the privileges of that House and which was not a bank of issue on the 6th day of May, 1844, —celessr, iwar ) —and therefore, when the House declared that to invest in the Government Three-and-a-Quarter per Cent. its' privileges had been satisfied, it was far from his wish to Stock, any sum whatsoever, and transfer the same to the Com interfere, or throw any impediment in th e warof the matter mi , sioners far the Reduction of the National Debt, or such being brou g ht to a close. litlt should be doing an injustice other persons as the Lords of her Majesty's Treasury by war to himself if he hall nclailited nn any degee that charge which rasa under their hands and seals, small direct, to accept of such had tlere uies t e effainst him by the Right Hon. Gentletneres transfer ; and thereupon the said Commissioners for the Re the•ltlembee f or b e vonport. He had expressed a s p eieinson, duction of the National Debt, or such other persons , shall that the conduct of certain Irish 'Shemin.; w„ most mis- issue a certificate to such hank of the amount of stock so chievous to the interests of the e'en:lite—be then used that transferred, and thereupon it shall and may be lawful for such language, which acelneelelY described his own feelings and bank to issue their own promissory notes payable to bearer on °Pini2,, st ' iii had done no m o re — he had a right to d o demand, to the amount of such stock so transferred : Provided i hat —he repeated it—what 1-1 —e at he said was a .curately true. e es always, that there shall not be a sum less than fifty thousand language had been gentle and guarded—( Leughtee)—yea, pouride of such stock so transferred at any one time. And be it gentle and guarded as compared with the toolonsage of others enacted, that in theeventof the said bank stopping payment, or be who s p o k e of that House avid it; :,,lentibers individually else- coming bankrupt, that such stock shall be held in trust for the wh.re.—(l-I,ar, hits, ',.4 As, however, the privileges of the persons creditors of the said bank, who shall be holders of the tietlL hd i, P -,,,,en vindicated, he would say no more on tke seid promissory notes of the said bank, at the time of such matter. That was all he aseed. stoppage of eaymeot or failure: provided always, that the Mr. SMITH O'BRIEN said the Hon. Member for Bath said bank shall be entitled to receive the half yearly dividends had used insuleng language .to him, arid treeted him with payable on the said stock, until stoppage of payment or bank " perfect contem,i'•"—( Older , order. ruptey : provided also, that the said bank shall make returns Thu SPEAKER sate iii' Hi,l. elernber for Limerick could of their issues of notes as the several banks of issue in Ireland not refer to l a mseege used in former debate s at w hi c h h e was n ot sha ll b e b oun d to ma k e such returns under this Act, and that 1 I'4 p 170444. in case the issue of such bank shall exceed, at any one time, the . their fellow subjects who had a demand upon their as•-istance far the eduva tin of their religious ieseeees, N o bl e L or d s opposire, and Big t Reverend Prelate's had declared that. tie ugh they had voted in favour of the temporary gnarl, they were in principle eppesed to a permanent endowment. rut he asked, up •n the questicti of principle, was there the slightest totferenee between an extended vote and a limited one? - (Rear. ) Was there arty principle of religion, by which he might be a thirst, a murderer, or an adulterer —( Laughter)— for a time, on conditi iti of not asking to be permanently en dowed with a privilege of wrong ? All who had voted iri fevour of the temporary grant had admitted that the public money might be voted for the education of the priests. Administration alter Administration had carried liberality_ over three-quarters of the globe, and were they to stop at that body of people which most claimed their suppurt?—(Cheers)--who, beca,use they were most ignorant, and the most in want of the liberality of the Government, should find you stop short with them, after you had given away your liberality in every other quarter of the globe ?—(Cheers.) It had been said, in the course of the debate, that one reason fur withholding this grant to Ireland —conceded to all the rest of our possessions—was that Ireland was a conquered peope. What an objection that was to go forth to the Irish people ?—( Cheers.) Were you to say to them that if they obeyed the 1 tws and avoided crime, they should not have religious instruction. But if they committed crime, and were sent to Van Diemen's Land, the Government would pay for the support of their clergy?—( Cheers.) Noble Lords and Prelates did not resist the support of the clergy of Malta, fur the sake of their trade in the Mediterranean.— ( Cheers, and laughter.) In Trinidad they supported those " teachers of error," rather than risk a f ogshead of sugar— (Cheers anti laugh ter ) —and in Newfoundland they did the same rather than risk the value of their cod-fish.—( Laughter.) He would then consider the question as one of expediency. It had been said th it Mr. Burke was the first to recognise the principle contained in the present Bill. He believed that Mr. Burke was the first who entorcett that principle on the Govern ment of this country. A professor of Trinity College sug gested to Mr. Burke, before the Government took up this question, that. the Catholic priests should all he made sizars of Trinity College. This proposition produced from Mr. Burke the emphatic and characteristic You might as well feed the el indoos with beef, or dress their wounds with brandy." Mr Burke took every opportunity of forcing this principle upon the Government. He represented it to Mr Pitt, who adopted it. He ( the Marquis of Lansdewne) thought he was entitled to use the argntnent that no one man having been brought to con template the state of Ireland, and who had been furnished with the means of knowing and understanding what' that state was, that had not seen the expediency and necessity, not only of con tinuing the grant, but of enlarging it for the purpose of making sufficient provision for the wants of the people. He believed that the time would come when it would be larger, but he WAS perfectly prepared to say, that he considered the vote in this case was great, and he did nut think that any Noble Lord in voting for this Bill was obliged in any degree to support any Bill that might be proposed hereafter. He accepted this measure as giving value to the declaration known to have been made at the time that measure was introduced. It was a proof and symptom of the policy intended to be pursued towards Ireland. He thought the Government, were wise in not stating in detail the measures which they had in view. Such a course would prejudice both the present measure and those that were to come. He would remind their Lordships th •t the present state of Ireland was a most dangerous one. It had been said that the measures which had been pasted by their Lordships, similar in character to the present one, had not been received with gratitude. He found no argu ment iii this against the measure before their Lordships. By such measures as these they would take the power out of the agitators' hands and place it in those of the Government. If the people did not at once repose with confidence in the Government of this country, it was only what might be ex pected from a nation which, it was now admitted upon all hands, had suffered centuries of misrule It had been said somewhere by an eminent writer, that a Government could make laws but could not make prejudices. neither could they unmake prejudices. They could not fly before time, nor anti cipate its effects. A new generation was springing up, who, witnessing the g od intentions and practical good of the Go vernment, would yield all the gratitude and obedience which such good deserved. He would conclude by reading a short extract from Burke, in whose policy this Bill heti originated: —" I spoke on the supposition that there will be a dispasition to take things as you find them, whether it be Protestant or Catholic, or consist of both. Hitherto the plan of the Go vernment was to sacrifice the prosperity of the coun try to ideas of religious improvement; but if peo• pie in power at length came to entertain other ideas, and consider good order, decorum, virtue, and mo rality, and legislate accordingly, thee would do more good than by all the polemical discussions which had occurred since the beginning of the world." The Noble Marquis concluded by saying he would give his hearty sanction to the third reading of the Bill. The House then divided, when there appeared, for the third reading— Contents Present Proxies -- 181 Non Contents Present Proxies Majority for the third reading... -- 131 On our entering tlit House, The Earl of WINCHILSEA was speaking in opposition to the passing of the Bill, and contended that the only true and proper course was to dissolve the Commons House of Parlia ment. This was a great constitutional question, and at the next election the people of England would retrace their steps, and give by their vote a sufficient assurance that this mea sure was contrary to the sense of the people of England. He was aware that he spoke with such warmth of feelings that he was induced to fear that he was not a welcome speaker. --( Hear, hear, and '• No.") The Government under which they lived was a hereditary monarchy, though in some senses it was uncontrolled. They had proposed a principle which if it had been proposed by the Noble Lord behind bins not one individual opposite would have voted in its behalf, and he thought that if it was passed it ought to be passed by those whose principles assimilated with it. He would give religious liberty to ail, but he could not think how one of the Noble Lords who had that evening addressed the House, and wh was a member of the Catholic religion, had stated that he was prepared to submit the hooka that were read at Maynocoh College to their Lordships' House, be lieving as he must do, that the doctrines taught there were anti-social, disloyal, and intolerant. He would, therefore, move as an amendment that, after the expiration of three years, no further sum should be granted for the purposes of this Act. After a tew words from Lord BROU Lit HAM, The clause was negatived without a division, and the Bill was then passed. _ . Their Lordships then, at five minutes to one, adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS, June 16. The SPEAKER took the Chair at Four o'clock. D. NDEE WATERWORKS. The Dundee Waterworks Bill was read a third time and passed. GREAT WESTERN RAILWAY (IRELAND). The report on the Great Western Railway (Ireland) Bill (Dublin to Mullingar and Athlone) was brought up. WEST LONDON RAILWAY. The report on the West London Railway Extension and Lease Bill was brought up. LIVERPOOL AND BURY RAILWAY. The report on the Liverpool and Bury (Bolton, Wigan, Liverpool, and Bury Extension) Railway Bill was brought up. ST. HELEN'S IMPROVEMENT BILL. The report on the St. Helen's Improvement Bill was brought up, and the amendments were agreed to. REVERSIONARY INTEREST SOCIETY BILL. The Reversionary Interest Society Bill was read a third time and passed. HARWELL AND STRENTLY ROAD BILL. The Harwell and Strently Road Bill was read a third time and passed. BLACKBURN AND PRESTON RAILWAY. The Blackburn and Preston Railway Bill was read a third time and passed. NORTH WOOLWICH RAILWAY. The report of the North Woolwich Railway Bill was brought up. EASTERN COUNTIES (CAMBRIDGE AND BURY ST. EDMUND'S) RAILWAY. On the order of the day far the second reading of the East ern Counties (Cambridge and Bury St. Edmund's) Railway Bill being read, Mr. A LLI X rose to oppose the motion. The greater number of the landowners on the line were opposed to the Biil, and he should, therefore, move that it be read a second time that day six months. Mr. WARD said that the principal landowner on the line, who had heretofore opposed the Bill, and through whose pro perty the railway would pass for more than four miles, had on Saturday withdrawn his opposition to the Bill. As there would, moreover, lee ample time and opportunity afforded for consider ing in Committee any opposition that might be urged against the measure, he should support the second reading. Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the House divided, when there appeared— For the second reading Against it Majority in favour of the Bill NEWCASTLE AND DARLIN:'7TON RAILWAY. The Newcastle and Darlington (Brandling Junction) Rail way Bill was read a third time and passed. WHITTLE DEAN WATERWORKS. The Lords' amendments to the Whittle Dean Waterworks Bill were agreed to. SHEFFIELD AND ROTHERAM RAILWAY. _ The Sheffield and Rotheram Railway Bill was read a third time and pas , ed. '1 AW VALE RAILWAY AND DOCK. The Tavi Vale Railway and Dock Bill was read a third time, and passed. NEWRY AND ENNISKILLEN RAILWAY. The report on the Newry and Enniskillen Railway Bill was brought up. EASTERN UNION AND BURY ST. EDMUND'S RAILWAY. The report en the Eastern Union and Bury St. Edmund's Railway was brought up and the amendments were agreed to. ay '4* CAMBRIDGE AND LINCOLN RAILWAY. Mr. MANNERS SUTTON rose to move that the Cam bridge and Lincoln Railway Bill be re-committed to the same Committee (Group X.), and that it be an instruction to the Committee, that they have power to take into consideration whether the section deposited in the Private Bill Office may not be amended, without injury to public or to private inte rests ; and that it be a further instruction to the said Corn • mittee, that they have power to amend the said section, if on inquiry they shall deem fit so to do. In bringing forward this motion he did not mean to impugn, either Oi rectly or indirectly, the decision to which the Committee had come, nor did he ask the House to impugn that deci s i on, o r to withdraw its support, without whirl it would be impossible for Committees to perform their funetions,---( Hear, hear.) He would confine himself to situ ply stating the facts of the c ase. No eoubt he sh,uld be - told that there wa i for the application he was making, i butn reply ohserv,e that the circumstances of to s that a p t e t e , :u , :y ou Lt i t el the case were likewise unprecedented. rise petition for the Bill had been presented in February, and had Wert referFetj to the Sub-Committee of Standing Orders, and it had riot been opposed. The parties wh o promoted the Bill informed the Standing Orders Committee of eve r y thing they were aware in which the standing orders hasl not been complied with. .Tee Sub- Committee reported hat the order.; had Net been complied with. The petition was then referred to the Standing Orden ( , 9 1 1 1 ) , ruittree. It was then also unopposed, and the promoters of the Bill brought forward before the Committee all the errors of which they were aware. The Standing Orders Committee permitted the promoters of the Bill to alter two lines, and reported to tke House that they ought t 9 be allowed to proceed The Bill was then referred to die Coiornietep pitf PPR!' K.' It was ascertained in that Committee that an error had been introduced into the Bill as to the constructio , of one of the sections of the line, as compared with the datum line. Ho would not enter into discussion as to the character of that er: or—as to whether or not it affected the real merits of the liae—:not would he ask the ' , .ouse to interfere with th functiosis of th,:? Ceirireitte: , . He would not a-k the House to express the slightest opitiiies as tp the merits of the case. all he asked them was to give to the Coniniitiee oe the Pl' the power to inquire into those circumstances. When the e rror was discovered in the Committee, the Committee considered that the best course to pursue was, to decide that the preamble do not pass, and to repor t th e ma tt er to the House, accompanied with the reasons upon which the decision was founded, so of to give an o?portunii), of bringinE amount of such stock so transferred, that such bank shall be i sentiment last t itt ere d b y t h e H on. and Learned Gentreniaye, a i rid ee .e.e. . fable t o th e same penalties as the several banks of issue, 1 he hoped that no great difference of opinion would ceistiazipaig is. - • e - '•• shall be li a bl e to ; ' or their excess of issue under the prorHens them. The p ropose d sc h eme of education must be de 4itti e re e - „.:-: of this A ct : provided also, that in case of their withdra :sal of teresting to the Roman Catholics, and although hew seetoi ,] :)e : - , ' ct their notes to an amount of fifty thousand pounds, or upwards, prepared to say that the Government would consent to sum n - ---• ' ~ sr 0 from ci rcu l at i on, thee on proving the same to the satis'aetion of the Roman Catholic bishops to their coun s el s on t hi s su bj e dortilyab AS. Ag• the said Commissioners or the said persons so to b e appo i nte d , yet their opinion ought to be received with respect. In anew,* an equal amount of such stock shall be re-transf erre d t o th e sa id to the question of the Right Hon. Gentleman the Member fur bank." Dungar von, he did say that the Lord-Lieutenant of Ireland had Mr. O'CnNNELL, in seconding the Motion th a t th e received a deputation and memorial from the bishops. Some clause be brought up, thought that he might as well state at of their objections had been resolved by an explanation at the that opportunity what he had to say on this B 11. He was time. Since then then no further communication had been afraid the Right Hon. Baronet was mistaken in supposing that made between the Lord-Lieutenant and the bishops. The his two amendments would give satisfacti on . Th ere were present plan did not provide for religious instruction within i thirty or. forty bran c h banks, n which it would be nece..sary the walls of tne college, but no obstacle would be put forth to to keep specie, and at which rio notes would be issued. This prevent religious education being conducted without the walls. placed the Irish banks in a situation much worse than that of He would go further into the subject when he made the motion the Scotch banks, for the latter would be required to have no for going into Committee on the Bill. He would take the pre more than one sovereign for any note they issued, whereas sent opportunity of eta- ion that a ronable time would e , the Irish banks would b e requ i red to have four sovereigns for afforded the people of Ireland f or thee full emisideration of the every note they issued. Let them look to the Report of Lord measure, before the third reading, and any alteration ti at might Devin's Commission, and they would see that there were oe considered advisable would be attended to. He should 4,et 0,000 persons in Ireland in a state of deep destitution— postpone the motion for the Committee till Thursday next. without employment, without clothes, wilho u t dwelli ngs Sir WALTER JAMES said he was greatly surpiised at impervious to the rain—weeping wiihout blankets—feedin g the observa'ion s of the Hos e Gentleman who had stated !hat upon a scanty supply of potatoes, and has ing no drink but the hierarchy of Ireland had taken rn active part in promoting water. That was not his statement, hot the statem ent of th e the repeal agitation in Ireland. This was not the time for Earl of Devon. He believed the Government did not wish song into the conduct of the Roman Catholic bishops, though that state of things to con inue. lie believed they wishe I to he might observe that they had his sincere and hearty respect. alter it. But they would not alter it by restricting the circu- To a certain respect he sympathised with then), in their lotion and the means of erneloyment. N o b o d y pai d money opposition to this measure. lie could understand their to Ireland, but one-fourth of the property 0 1 Irel an d was ex_ opposition to education of a scientific character, to teaehe }tended to pay the demands upon her. Now, by limiting the ing of a purely material and physical nature, and why circulation, the difficulty of payment would be increa s ed, they should conceive such an education calculated to take sway They ought, therefore, to expand instead of restricting th e c i r - attention from heavenly things. It was reasonable that :yeti a culation.—( Hear, hear.) In his opinion, and in the opinion p 1 in shou l d call forth such an opinion as that which had been of those who were connected with banking in Ireland, that the made against the measure. It was hi, opinion that much of t e only thing wanted was to put down the monopoly of the bank of opposition which had been brou g ht to hear against the measure Ireland. It was too late fir him now to discuss the would have been saved it the principle of the Bill hat !wen Bill, and he had to apologise to the House for applied under another name. It was said to be collegiate spe_.king upon the subject at that hour; which instead of which it was more universitari n than retliegiate in its he did only for the purpose of putting his opinion on character. He deeply regretted to live in days Wile!' every record. The restriction of the currency upon a former oeca- theologian was a politician, and every politician a theologian ; sion had caused es much misery in Ireland almost as the revs- yet every measure of such a character as that before the House lotion caused in France; and he apprehended much similar was sure to be considered from such a point of view. suffering from this new restriction. The abolition, of the Mr. JEPHSON considered that nothing could be more thirty-shilling notes would he severely felt, and would lower reasonable than the memorial of the Homan Catholic Bishops. the price of every article. He concluded by seconding the mo- Unless they were satisfied with the measure, it was perfectly, tion, and thanking the House for its indulgence. useless for the Right Hon. Baronet to go forvvard with the Sir R. PEEL then made a few observations which, from the (fin stion. extremely low tone of his voice, were almost perfectly inaudible Mr. ROCHE only rose to state his great pleasure at the in the gallery. He was understood to say that he took a totally speech delivered by the Hon. Baronet (Sir Walter James). distinct view from the Hon. Gentleman of the principles on lie considered the best course was to allow the measure, after which this measure was founded. The stability of credit and the discussion which had taken place on it, to go into Ireland, the solvency of banks were, in his opinion, things which would there to be • discussed previous to its final settlement. He was tend to the prosperity of Ireland. He had seen Ireland when delighted at this course, as he was sure it would lead to a good there was no restriction whatever to paper currency ; and he understanding regarding the general principle of the Bill. recollected that the same amount of poverty existed. H e h a d Af ter a f ew words from Mr. J. \V. HOPE, seen cases of issuing wh ere th e reaction led to the failure of The Report of the resolution of the Committee was put almost every bank. He had seen almost every bank in the west and and agreed to. south of Ireland reduced to a state which rendered them unable to discharge their obligations. They ought to secure them selves against temporary excess. As to the security which no minal convertibility gave against the excessive issue of paper, he would not be betrayed into an argument on that matter. He desired that the banks would issue notes, governed in amount by the amount of specie which they held, and if such a rule were es'ablished they would have quite sufficient to prevent any embarrassment arising. The construction of railways in Ireland, and the facility of communication would of course in crease the transfer of specie. ll , ' belief was, that if the banks in Ireland were perfectly solvent, that there would exist in that country, as in Scotland, no desire to have gold in ex change for paper, provided the stability of that paper was se cured by perfect confidence in the solvency of the hanks. The lion. Gentleman opposite (Mr. O'Connell) thought that the issue of paper ought rather to depend on the commercial de mand than on its own value. That was a difference of prin ciple. If his principle prevailed, of course the measure would not pass—they had a right to take every security that paper could be turned into gold. He wished, as far as possible, to defer to the wishes of the Irish Members, and he thought that the institution of four offices instead of one, and the extension of thirteen months, would secure to the House the general se.- probation of the measure. Mr. TRELAWNEY opposed the Bill of the Right Hon. Baronet, as a system of restriction and interference with per feet free trade in banking. Mr. ROSS did not think it satisfactory that there should be four places having credit for the amount of gold in the coffers, and that only two of them should be in the provinces. Mr. HAWES said that he thought that one object of the Right for,. Baronet was to maintain paper in equal value with gold. Upon that ground he quite concurred with him. Another object was to restrict the number of joint 'stock banks in Ire land. If they drew an inference from Scotland it would be the interest of Ireland to have local joint-stock banks increased. He did not think that the measure was one calculated to benefit Ireland, though that was evidently the intention of the Right Hon. Baronet. USURY LAWS. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER asked leave to bring in a Bill to extend the present Usury Law, relative to Bills of short date.—Agreed to. TIMBER SHIPS' BILL. The Timber Ships' Bill was read a second time and agreed to. SUPPLY. The Report of the Committee of Supply was brought up, and received. The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and the House adjourned at half-past ten o'clock. THE PRESIDENT OF TILE ROYAL ACADEMY.- Sit Martin. A. She; in consequence of the state of his has re signed the office of President of the Royal Academy,—The Builder Prince I - Itenry, of the Netherlands, left Leith Roads, on Thursday, in the Rhine frigate, for Iceland; from whence his Royal Highness will proceed, it is said, for St, John's. Newfoundland, and should the season nut be too far advanced, for Halifax.. AIR. CARDS Winsos.—ln reference to the libera tion of this gentleman, which we announced oo Friday, the Jersey Times of that day says : On Tuesday, a full Court having been convened, the tiolicitor.General moved that Mr. Wilson be now liberated from his confinement in the gaol of Jersey. The Learned Gentleman urged his motion on the grounds that Mr. Wilson having already suffered imprisonment ter a considerable period, had sufficiently atoned for his offence towards the Royal Court. The Bench having acquiesced in the proposal, the Deputy Viscount proceeded to the prison, and in formed Mr. Wilson that the gates were now open to him. Although somewhat astonished at the unexpected concession, Mr. Wilson did not appear influenced by the same feelings which actuate most individuals on being visited with an unlooked-for benefit. Replying to the announcement, Mr. Wilson said that find ing himself perfectly comfortable in his present domicile, he was not in the slightest desirous to change his quarters, and that he would not leave the prison till force compelled him. Ejectment being thus challenged, force was speedily had recourse to, and lbs now no longer prisoner was dislodged from his cell. The rationale of this strange proceeding has not yet been made public, but the sooner a bul!etin is published explanatory of the reasons why the Royal Court has become obsequious, the better." BRUSSELS, JUNE 13.—NrineeDicttrrnich will comp, in the month of July, to his seat at Johannisburg. As her Majesty the Queen of England, on her return from Coburg, will visit the banks of the Rhine, the Prince hopes that her Majesty will stop at. his seat. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER opposed the clause. Solvency would be better secured by not establishing the powers which were contained in the clause. Mr. HUME did not think that the reasons which had been advanced against this clause were sufficient to influence the de cision of the How. Sir R. PEEL contended that undue importance was attached to paper currency. Let the House look to the manner in which the enormous transactions at Liverpool and Manchester were conducted. There the only bank notes in circulation were those of the Bank of England and the Bank of England only. Those notes represented sovereigns, and if such notes were to be abolished to-morrow, sovereigns would be used in their stead without very much inconvenience being felt. The value of paper issue was regulated by the celerity with which it could be converted into cash and by that only. Mr. WILLIAMS supported the clause. Sir W. SOMERVILLE supported the claw, though he believed his endeavours would meet with but little success. On the question being put, Mr. W. S. O'BRIEN expressed his determination to divide upon the proposition, although despairing of success; he would gladly effect a comiromise and withdraw his clause, if the Right Hon. Baronet would modify his measure. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER could see nothing so objectionable in the Bill introduced, as it was in the same spirit as had characterised similar measures for Englaui 511(1 Scotland. Mr. O'CONNELL denied the analogy between 'the con stitution of the Irish and the Scotch banks there was a monopoly an d an exc l us i ve ci- culation of capita' In the latter wholly foreign t o th e I r i s h establishm-.ints. admission. the num b ers a Strangers were th en or d ere d u withdraw, and on there re- For the clau se rt'eared— Against it aff A r" CowEs, JUNE 14.—Her Majesty, his Royal Hie,n. Hess Prince Albert and suite, accompanied by the Royal Infants, are expected at Osborne House on the 19th instant; and it is cur rently reported they will proceed on the following day to revie w th e fleet at Spithead.—HarnpsAire Advertiser. • A SERIOUS BLOW TO GRETNA GREEN.--_" first clause of Lord B roug h am ' s Bill, " For amending the law of mar riage," declares, t: at atter the Ist of January next no marriage solemnised in Scotland shall be valid, either In Scotland or any other part of the United Kingdom, or of the dominions belonging thereto, unless both the parties were born in Scotland, or had had their most usual place of residence there, or had lived in Scotland for three reeks next preceding such marriage; "any law, cu4ont, or USaC''' to the contrary notwithstanding." The Bili also pro ecw.. to enact that all children who are legitimate try the law of Scotland shall be deemed to be so in all Darts of the United King dom; and, further, that all marriages and divorces valid by the law of Scotland shall be deemed to be so in all other parts of the United Kingdom. The Bill finally declares that all persons forging marriage certificates are liable to transportation for life. BRITISH A sSOCIATION.—TI:e lith annual meeting of this scientific congress opens at Cambridge on Thursday next, the 19th, under the presidency of that distinguished philosopher Sir John Herschel. THUNDER-STORNI AT CHATHAM.-- On _Friday night, about eleven o'c:ock, the town and neighbourhood of Chathan, was visited with avi ,lent storm, the rain pouring down in torrents and flooding the streets. The most vivid flashes of lightning il luminated the country for miles, accompanied by awful peals of thunder. The storm, which was most severe for the time, lasted about one hour. The lightning set fire to a granary and piggery on a farm in the parish of Tunstall, about a mile and a half from Sittingbourne, in the occupation of Mr. George Baker, and al though two engines from Sittingbourne were quickly on the spot, the buildings were burnt to the ground, together with forty quar ters of wheat destroyed. The live stack was fortunately saved. The property is insured. ...ajority against the clause ~ - ADEMICAL INSTITUTIONS (IRELAND) BILL. On the motion for the Order of the Day being read to brine up the Report on the Irish Colleges Bill, Mr. SMITH O'BRIEN presented a peti - ion from the Loyal National Repeal Association against the Bah clause of that Mr. OSBORNE postponed his motion until the Right Hon. Member the Recorder of Dublin was in his place to answer any statements he might make respecting the Univer sity of Dublin. Sir JAMES GRAHAM, not seeing the Hon. Member for London in his place, postponed entering into detail upon the Irish Colleges Bill till Thursday next. Mr. O'CONNELL would not oppose the delay, if conve• nient to the Government, but he hoped it would be under stood that he was no party to the arrangement. Mr. J. O'CONNELL said there was a very great differ ence of opinion out of the House, among Catholics, respecting this measure. The Irish Prelates were to meet in a few days to discuss the question, and their opinion could not reach the Members in that House who might be influenced by it, till Thursday next. He hoped, therefore, it would be postponed till Thursday week, to await the result of that cunfererce. Mr. DILLON BROWN concurred in pressing for a further delay. Mr. HUME thought the reasons advanced fur the postpone ment the very strongest that could be used for proceeding with out delay.—( Laughter.) He could not understand what the Irish Catholics had to do with this measure. Let them confine themselves to their own element, and as the present was a mea sure to give secular education to all classes of Irishmen, irre spective of religious distinctions, he thought neither a Protestant nor Catholic hierachy should be consulted upon it. He considered it wool I be very improper, as the measure was intended for the general good of all classes, for either the Roman Catholic bishops or the Protestants to interfere in the matter. Mr. SHELL said, his Hon. Friend the late Member for Kilkenny had declared that the present scheme was entirely a system of secular education, and therefore it met with his appro bation. Religio nti nullus sit should be the motto of the Hun. Gentleman. The Government on the other hand had de clared that the measure was not exclusive y a system of secular education. He (Mr. Sheil) thought it was a signal error in not having, in the first instance, consulted the opinions of the Irish Bishops. A synod of the Bishops ht.d been held, in which they had expressed their condemnation of the Bill in certain particulars; but at the same time they had given the Government every credit for the goodness of their intentions. The Bishops, in the memorial which had been transmitted to the Lord-Lieutenant, had pointed out objections to the measure which were insuperable. The Government were called upon to state how far they acquiesced in the views entertained by the Catholic Bishops. The Government under took to give them every due consideration, with a view to their alteration. The Noble Lord the Member for Loudon had said he approved of the Bill, but not with the proposed alterations. The Right Hon. Baronet had been asked several questions respecting the matter, one of which was, would he consent to the appointment of a chaplain to the colleges profess ing either the Roman Catholic or the Protestant Frith ; and secondly, whether be would acquiesce in the appointment of a Roman Catholic Bishop by the Crown ? No cis finite answers had yet been given to these questions, which had le en delayed till the present time ; and he had come down with the full conviction that, on the present occasion, the Right Honourable Gentleman would inform the House on these two important particulars whether any change was contem plated by the Government. He advised the policy of com municating fully with the Catholic Bishops before any further steps be taken. Mr. COLQUHOUN considered that in any system of edu cation that was proposed to be adopted by the House, it would be most unconstitutional and hostile to the feelings of Eng • land, if, before the blouse had decided on the matter, any hierarchy, be they who they may, were called in to assist at their councils.—( Hear.) Still more objectionable would it be to call to their councils a class of men who bad assisted more strenuously and uniformly in the agitation promoted by the Hon. and Learned Member opposite for the dismemberment of the empire. Mr. O'CONNELL—No, no.—No, no. Mr. COLQUHOUN hoped the Hon. Member would allow him to pi oceed, for he was not now on the floor of Conciliation Hall, but in the British House of Commons, which was usually understood to be an assembly of gentlemen. He would say it would be prudent for the House not to consult the Irish Bishops, but their own temperate and unbiassed judgment. Was it fitting or proper that the House of Commons should be tam pered with, and kept hesitating and delaying from day to day, until the consent and approval of the Roman Catholic Bishops had been obtained to the measure. ( Hear, hear.) He should never hear such a course hinted at without expressing against it his most resolute protest. He would ask the Hon. and Learned Member opposite what support he had received from the Roman Catholic priesthood in influenc ing the people in the agitation of repeal. It was known that a Catholic bishop, by the discipline of the Church. had autho rity to dispossess any priest of the revenues of his benefice, and this power was used as an instrument for compelling the priests to re-echo and confirm the sentiments of the bishop on any question that might arise, and it had been used for promoting the spread of repeal. Mr. O'CONNELL said be would not now enter into the subject of repeal. He thought the Finn. Gentleman would b e an exceedingly bad member of Conciliation Hall. No Catholic bishop could d epr i ve any priest of his b , nt•fice who had b en regularly inducted into it. The Irish clergy never attempted to interfere or meddle with the education of th e P ro t estants, and he wo u ld c l a i m for the education of the Catholics the same immunity. Although he could not precisely agree with the Right Hon. Baronet who stigmatised the present scheme as a godless system of education, he had come aver to insist on the absolute necessity of making religion the basis of their educa tion, and the total failure that would ensue if it were not made the basis. It would be no harm to treat the Roman Catholic bishops in a conciliatory manner. He would wish the present discussion to be carried on in a spirit of amity. Sir JAMES GRAHAM said he most cordially joined in the THE CASE OF MESSRS. SMITH, TILE DISTILLERS.— It is stated in the Excise department that an arrangement has been came to in this case, which has for so long a period occupied 14) much of public attention, by a compromise on the part of the de. iendants and the Crown authorities. It is believed the terms are, that Messrs. Smith are to pay the whole of the expenses incurred in the late prosecution, and to entirely remove the rectifi ing house, from which tie communication, declared by Act of Parliament to be illegal, existed with the distillery. The rectifying-house is In the course of demolition, and there is every probability of their busi. ness being resumed in the course o f t h e ensuing week.—Dispatch. The Marquis and Alarehioness lit 1)( u:frias ore ex pected to leave Connaught -place early in the ensuing month for Germany, on a visit to their illustrious relatives in that country. A person crossing over the Severn at the .New Passage, was asking the master of the boat whether there were ever any people lost in the passage ? " No, Sir," answered the Mon mouthshire tar, " never; my brother was drowned here last week, but we found him the next day :" REPRESENTATIO N OF MID-LornrAN.—A elonge has been silently concocting in the representation of this county. Mr. Ramsay, who loves ease and equestrian amusements, is believed to have been long sick of the office; and Ids resignation, without reason assigned, was announce d b y a d ver ti semen t yesterday morn. ing. Everything had been previously arranged, arid without the smallest loss of time, Sir John Hope, of Pinkie, comes forward to supply the vacancy. —Scotsman. fit E 13ENTINCK TPSTINIONIAL.—TIIO Committee appointed to determine in what manlier the subscription entered into for the purpose of presenting a testimonial to Lord George Rentinck for his indefatigable exertions to expose the abuses and at the rooms of the n y c S o a n t e u i r , r d r a e y r:c e of Lo rd George reform the usag n e d s . o w f i t t l n ie t t u n r e f, h m ea e r t t Jockey Club, a Bentiuck, came to a resolution that the sum received, amounting to should be applied to some public institution, with a view to secure, in perpetuity, to a certain number of the children of de. serving trainers and jockeys support an 44 education from infancy until they shall arrive at an age to seek their own living. BLACKHEATH GOLF enuth—Ott Sa , hruay fifteen members of the above club contended for the summer medal on Blackheath, when, after a contest of nearly six hours, Major Jell Sharp, the secretary of the club, was declared to be the succ,ssful competitor, ' the number of strikes made by that gentleman in the three rounds (nearly nine miles) being one hundred and forty-nine. In the evening the mi mbers and their friends sat down to a sumptuous dinner at the Trafalgar Tavern, Greenwich, the Hon. Mr. Fox Maule presiding. A DELICA FE 1)1,11.—It that 11r. on being asked to dine with Mandarin Lin, discovered on the table something of which he ate exorbitantly, thinking it to be duck. Not speaking Chinese, and wishing to know what it was, he pointed to it, after he had finished, saying to his host interrogatively. "Quack, quack quack ? " The mandarin, with equal brevity, re plied, with a shake of the head, "Bow, wow, wow." Mr. Cushing's feeling can be imagined. DESTRUCTIVE FIRE IS CHEAPSIDE.—On Sunday morning (Sunday), shortly after nine o'clock, a fire broke out upon the premises in the occupation of Mr. Rankine, anatomical boot. maker, situate No. 94, Cheapside. The building, which was rather a spacious one, was bounded on every side by numerous houses. From inquiries made upon the spot, we learned that the fire was caused thus A servant maid having been sent into the kitchen to procure a scuttle of coals, with a lighted candle in her hand, in returning she incautiously placed the light under a bunch of paper patterns hanging to the partition of the shop. Tire consequence was that the patterns became ignited, and before the girl could ex tinguish the flames they communicated wth the greatest rapidity to the staircase, from whence they travelled to the upper portion of the house so fiercely, that the inmates had not time to save any of the contents, except the books, which were rescued by Mr. Rankine, after considerable difficulty. The flames were eventually extin guished, but not before damage to a considerable amount had been done, the whole of Mr. Rankine's stock in trade and furniture being nearly destroyed, and the adjoining premises of Messrs. Power and Bean, hosiers and glovers, as well as one or two other buildings, are severely injured by fire and water. Mr. Rankine was insured in the Sun-office, and Messrs. Ponter and Bean were similarly protected in the Atlas.otfice. ALARMINGFIREON CHELSEA -BRIDGE.—O n Sunday evaning, shortly before six o'clock, a fire, which, for the space of nearly three hours, caused alarm in the neighbourhood, broke out upon the ancient wooden bridge, over the Grosvenor Cut, and forming the public thoroughfare from Chelsea to Thames Haul:, the property of the Marquis of Westminster. By the time the engines could be got in operation the surface of the bridge was on fire from end to end, and had any time been lost in procuring assistance it is highly probable that the entire structure would have been consumed Water In abundance being at hand, the engines were worked with vigour for the space of nearly an hour, but the only good that could be effected was the preventing of the flames from extending along the exterior of the building. Mr. Braid wood, the superintendent, upon his arrival, ordered th i e ch tir h i e n in en off to clear the ground o the crown of the bridge, and to bbyoar upon perforating that large portion burning th outc ow o ' b f a s r : s g t i h a s e: h a water h ui c as h g brought done, coultinotothe haveexruisteeusiou of h beettito fire wasoticht,i. a By an i ynneeuod, andworkmen 'clock danger of any further the thoroughfare might not be blocked le y s ay Lid so ot t h h e a r t were expected to be set to work to relay t u h p e . ca T rr h i v ag i c ii but t ch tt i b s u t r t i: o ed o . piu l io h o e c o t ' ig t the o p f ol i t c h e e , t t i ir o b i e s r nofottliloe e i r s e e c ly tio k n oo a w r , e ,t from the fact of an attempt having been made some months since to burn the bridge, that it was wilfully caused by some evil.dis. posed person. : ; .;;1 4 C