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°w ° weight over th e tube. Thus self acting, it would work on the a pproach, the transit, and after the passage of a train. It would - only occupy abciit a minute to alter the size of the piston need from the Ep,orn line from fifteen to eighteen inches, and the e xpense of the increased tube would be about 1001. a mile. more 18. inch tube w a s a d ,pt e d because the country was e severe after leaving Epsom. The line might be lased E i th er as a l ocomot i ve or as an atmospheric line, and there , °ld, therefore, b e n o diffi cu l ty joining a locomotive line. He „,:s.at this ti me putting down a . s.inch tube in France, on th e ris and St. Gerrnains' line, where, in one part, the gradient was l u rn •, " and the po wer was i ncrease d to mee t the difficulty, the t vvalg, at the commencement, only 15 inches. „ To the e ross.examination of Mr. Cockeuax, Mr. Samuda stated i that ..e was one of the patentees of the atmospheric principle, and expended a very large sum in bringing it into play. He was c.ehnave a considerable interest in the line, but to what extent t he ,::::ratan allowed hi m to refuse to reply. B u t h e h a d no objection, "Inikver, to say that lie was to receive an equivalent of 5001. per : h ut whether as a ratage on the passengers, as a capital sum, „ the shape o f an annu i ty, he cou ld no t a t that moment Lb ).; "he tube w ou ld b e about ten i nc h es a b ove the rail, so that at , cros sings of th e pu bli c roads t h e ra il s mus t b e m ade lower than sb e o ., l°ad a• The expense of the bridges at the crossings would be 50/, each, but there would be a man at each crossing, and he zastight that, considering the rate which the public new required, it ver:ecessary to havea man on locomotive lines also wherever there be gat " to a public read. The stationary engines were to at three 'Meth. mile s from each other, but lie could not positively say rith,` r some of these might not be a furiong one way or the but if the stationary engines happened to be at the foot of a t ater D owel ! gradient, they would not require an additional engine et, although t h ey meant to establish it in all instances of th'erte,ft room was then cleared for a consideration, as to whether Pa eri sr aittee should go i nto t h e res p ec ti v e merits of the atmcs rtiore and locomotive principles, and on the re.admission of the ,5515stax declared that the Committee had decided in re alid cot evidence as to the applicability of the atmospheric principle, aaspe o n : " l tt entle that Counsel on the opposite side might cross. Ale to% Samuda resumed, under the cross-examination of Mr. N all u p ", and produced a diagram on a paper, in the form of a tlei, ftt g r am, across o ne e nd of which there was a series of strokes Nigh ' T it to the number of miles between London and Ports along and across the other end was a list of the towns t he - di t , h , e l ine, the name of each being placed exactly opposite Wasa , - ,„„, b ee marked at the other End. Intermediate there tliatoi n -- "ea of lines representing the railway, and a transit line at shi e g t , la llonally across the other lines in order to show the points " the trains, both up and down, would pass over the crossing alie ctir The trains would be s timed that they would arrive re it, 13 e l) at these several points so as to allow each train time to do Nae, he as at the stations, and then come to the crossing Pats at such times as not to interfere with each other when bteki' tit her upThr down. Thus it was proposed that the Sl g at "ati an, should be reached in twelve minutes from ~,* a rate of 43i miles an hour, thence to Godalming the rat7outes at a rate of 46 miles an hour, thence to Lipprock at 49 oi ° ; 1 , 44 i miles an hour, and thence to Portsmouth at a rate h on -- " t1 an hour ; the whole distance being performed tO clea• r and 36 minutes, at a rate of 45: miles an hour, or tx t 4:4 • 1- I . ". t °Peages at 37 miles an hour. It was intended that "old be four crossing places—one at Dorking, one at %14 ,_ one at Li rock and another at Rowland's Castle ; "wet"'ere were to PP b More crossing places he could send Itt,e "'ere , t than he had already planned, the number of which l'aild,PreSeht planned at twelve each way, within fifteen hours ale. 'I, from • • •Ite se six in the morning till nine at night. He had laid th„ h tr a i ns for the four crossing places, but he could send fif 'tieft In w aY, and more than that, but he could not say how many; L atad e r e 'vent of alterations in the trains, provision could always . le l a or the alteration. In the event, for instance.'of one train in te in each and the other to its time, the delay of five minutes LvPoio t ,,,," the stations at which the crossing places were 2rdee—C tee give time for the exhaustion of the tube .t• h e , Le late train was to pass, so as to expedite its progress. *att er * e were h. two engines at each station, there would be double t ile atl ' eV' cl es the additional power at the crossings,. and , .conse are oe engine which had already performed its functions of tr44l,,aeethte train vrhich had arrived to its time, could be mad . e 4 14 1 t t ,: exhaust the air in the tube over which the late train hkt ' The station engines were to be three miles apart, and -"en e xhausted one mile and a quarter, which was the l a 4 L. df tit! station in distance, in less . than a minute and e n .alloth." time spent in passing from one crossing.place ' r Was to be twelve minutes, and the time of It, 6at the stations five minutes and as the average distance L i the er asing -places was sixteen miles, that would allow % ol for I,,qato any irreeularity in the trains. The wcre to be 0111 an d a help at each station, which was re a force quite :tr i n ' y work the whole of the trains. If there were to be t % ,k th a " s of course there must be an increase in the force to t M • There would also be en increase in the consumption 4 . ithat was provided for in the estimates. 0146%tior4Con arose between the counsel respecting the right to te7ility leakage, but there being a doubt as to the precise ap 'Ma " 1 the terms of the resolution, it was decided that Mr. it74)(c $a should proceed, and it „ . a teof wia replied that the loner the tube the greater the ale,,k the air into the tube, so that there would be three times 11, 4 ate. a l e in thre e m il es in minute than there would be in one A ate, Lhe l eakage was perpetually going on whilst the engines th.. !. tr.e stison a gain arose upon the general question, in which tif f ,, by t m tja N endeavoured to open the whole subject, but was Vth. -l ais ;: r * Alexander and Mr. Austin, and after a statement by OkZ gelZ" and Mr. Oswald of what their views were of the decision 1, N il Committee of the House of Commons on the atmos. 1 44 , 10 ) 4 e ; Wei and a ft er severa l o b se r v ations from Mr. Cock. "tin, the Committee adjourned till twelve o'clock NIP -" Wh ich the arnedLe Counsel had mooted. It kiv GROUP MM. Ost. kilqnn Ih kt -oto ttd „ -- I \T EXTENSION RAELVITAY. k iii the chair. I tt t l i t'Postm l °pened the case on behalf of this line, which NI . 1 -encl o „ t° be formed from the terminus of the tile,,' t o a " Railway, near to the Kensington Canal Nki.. havir in t near to Cremorne House. The Learned Geo- Ilis Wes anci g briefly stated the facts he meant to establish by I t tlts til bY ur i :aving referred to the opposition brought against 14: aj . °,lB parties, among others by Mr. Prosser, the in. Oh ,640;,_nlode of transit on railways, which might be seen 't l A . ~ ..` bstma ttw itnblecion Common, proceeded to call witnesses. kil Wse'sr,.. ; 4 Preared for the Board of the parish of St. Luke's, iiir,.:l, Mr. Prosser, and Mr. Merrewether for Lord ich r T in tS l Sh IV t " IN It 4 Zion said fic. was engineer to the London and lit ott "ri 4' 4 I_Y C ompan y. The object of the propose d e x. Vita e ° f to ttilr the London and Birmingham and the Great .. 4 e4r, a Ot t e ' . "°, l4 ll° have access to the Thames. The present ' 114. 1 t e alid - Vert was exceedingly imperfect. The length , th ets - ,.. of *1) 01 " II Y-seven chains. It was an excavation N were th e : 'natal-ice, averaging from six to ten . feet. 5.,.. Ati, til e i t . „ 4 " l „ 8 crossed would have to be raised ; .44 1. - *atig ''Llinond, the Fulham, and the King's -,.% er ne N i .t, lilt ... Tis had aready been made with the t ‘gil -°, ri.nd h. ° nt ; engineering l features were all very favour. .* ; IV" Ch ai 4 were slight, and there was only one sharp kt t : 4l , 11 ) ,: i thil ai n ‘ radius. The severest gradient was one in 4 , 1, 1 ,"111 4 ,: t t 50 -e ,:!" 60,000/., and the annual working expenses 'IC! hi; Catbr cent on the receipts. The London and e,.."Rt, e en 4 °Y had purchased between four and five acres 54 4 1 4 . 14 8 : b 1 8 . -lane and the World'hend-passage, whereon il t ;!e i ,, `win ed wnarf. 11, 4 1 4 4 ,g ea ,bY Mr . m About one-third of It ; itii, ...ord , . ERRENVETHER--- ,4,_ .• 0 0 c a ,, r‘ensington's ploperty. It started near to It; Ir. " 1 , which canal was connected with the River Vip4 di.N oittw hi4 t Ilit i. % th e i t ---1- 1 e thought it would be possible to construct 4 '001, 111 N b ri Tington Canal, but it would be attended with 11 11, 4 %e k t b it ,„, g" would all require to be altered, and the k t '% top 'non ed - "`ered into the Thames would not be so good kill, lade n i , 3 he canal at present could only be used at It was altogether a bad navigation. lo 4l ' l le i ttl e tr a ar m g : . ls ' ll j, - _ed , 0 manager of the London and Birmingham li ve 7e.,k ur : h the qaantity of goods brought up the line to Ol t, I llsrn ee of all the goods thus brought were taken on \lige "Oh 4 litiy . the tta ;,,, The extension was very much needed to 1' ' 44 k te, 1 3 45 1 444 ._ kr '''. r ; ‘ , or t l - tretin m Pson, the Secretary of the West London, N I to i , e plot tra ns " were in progress three years ago for the it rLlt exr " ground at Chelsea , and that Lord Kensington 4 thi l t i i t ;;; ti t "'ion two . e 48 _ years ago. I ,„_ twt to ... 7 1. for the Bill. . 11 1 I,: f o , i'° l, 4 eased the Committee on behalf of the Board )1, S the e Parish li kit . 4 : : alo r , rall w of St. Luke against the Bill, on the 'lip "R th e 4 7 would interfere with the roadway and ,csile. b anks of the Thames. 7tllCetseesotlicwitor to the Chelsea Improvement Act, gave hen the Committee adjourned. k0 b ,,.. GROUP P. ki,ltttit,,Z r lt WALES RAILWAY. Sk4ll4.ll44,rkeed.:"'sernbled at the usual hour this morning, and 111,. thirll4437_to business. . ,Nriih r t the ,!' l orried the examination of Mr. Birklan . a He ILl k let.h i — "ount of iron annually exported from Newport iljit t l i 60 0 li bUt during the last year it was 220,000 tons, lkli, , r kod ue ' °9 . o ton s , Great quantities of timber and char- NN )ir a l toiei a " In H erefordshir and those articles were very k,7ita% ev e and manufacturing districts. The timber, at 11444,.%t1i bra ce/ down the Wye into Monmouthshire, and 4 ; 11,„'Ityno, I , tic to Or iro n would be of great use in its conva . yan . c t e s . iillt 444 earditt that r was produced in the Merthyr districts II tv tb t or exportation, amounted to 18,000 tons kil tit t Nt it id . rade was ra idl increasing. A 'great i tt t ar tt id e . t° iron 'i, 1 : 41 1, iii ry in a . r. ,_ . ores from py Newport and Cardiff. at Newport k 21 % 2 Wit h ;L`eutlltural produce existed both 1 Nist a l i l prod uce, exception that atCardi a greater traffic exports to and fro be -1 k:t l4 4l ly . and Gio.._ The imports and . 11 4 tr e k Th e in rester and Cardiff amounted to 89, 1 0 1 0 r 0 e \4l44ihita 4 ..... er eornmunication between . Glamorgans 1 i t '4ll,lsheie„,"' Monmouthshire was' very considerable,.. was \ i 'l ip ill 'lt Ot,c ° 4 l :. l. ~.4"1,; valley of Neath abounded in mineral pro iii;tliti4tkltitaelderabi_ e roleal works in the neighbourhood, which a votlll6 b,,,`„qUantities of acids. . There wascara \ll:kt .44'1 the _rule Neath valley, which would \44 aggregat e tons annually. qua i n- 1 / 4, °l th i Ntih-- -ii a f. nted tr. P _ () o samounteded railwtoay.lsoT,ohoeo i t k oh e raN ati u o e Neat!) district amounted to 5,000, and a \ tt ill r N 4:tes t b tt ahle existed between Cardiff and Neath. 1 1,, 4, 4(.4 .at were consumed In South Wales were im \,7iltNathtitlec: the consumption was fully:three-fourths of rk . %., t tte l l t te d n ,"teled in Great Britain. The value of the ,:it 'it h .4,4' shout 2,000,000/. Some of the copper was ex 'lsl th. 4 it rail and to Bristol, Liverpool, and London. The , 1 1 11 1 ,,,.. eopi l „, r 4 waY would afford very great facility for the I t k t l t iyi l ' e t 't ti,; • B A large number of persons frequented i ii tt 4 4 l,,S 4 a°,1 41 miner months, for the purpose of sea -11 01,' alto it `oOstimption of al at Swansea amounted ki ro a to Ireland be a convenient port for the cap ,rta , Vib t illo n ithe at 'eland . A. ' VI ki r roo ,_ The WI) , great interchange . of produce ' ib i l t o ti litile,'Os at, hole of the South Walesdistrict, amount a''` Whi r - i',' ° °anY, and he knew of no other locality , tit r,r4i4,,, - So much needed the facilities for convey kilk 1, 1 ;:e dbr"tYi Would afford. The metallic productions k 1 ,4 f ai ts h ts i qu aa t ri e t ‘ which the line traversed were very N, 1 Zk, rt. 1 , 44 .4 % ,1 ien 2 . 7,, _f tin plates manufactured last year li,NOti a t tis rif t 101.1.,,,ur9_a0nd 28,000 tons, the value of which, O,L , :3 14 bln ek ri 2 II) was about 800,000/. Consider -1,1%7 i t oda, th e , i ' . ,' , , . spelter, and copper ore were also in o.oo o t du r i n "n'tY of the line. The quantity Oti tt OlN9 at ' 500 I n the last year amounted to Nte. t, l • Ti, 'ilti a i,,00 tons, which, being estimated at the lot tt 1 - else , 0f 91 . Per ton, , would yield a result of ic;iit4ity:(4, Ze'ehulations had ' allbeen taken from the ti tt l th ar iti l ti t h 'erea seri ga ve Only a low average, and they would , 4 itic r . lk, r e rldn era , d uring the present year. The total 'I N V& r, ye ar, _' Produce, exclusive of coal, taking the O p t, 1, h tt hm no .aunt ea to between 9,000,000/. and SLt_ kii a ) Wtbet'_",,,,,le.siation in saying that, in his opinion, N. NNkt n " 'ean ' s 'ine in h°uth Wales would be carried by e 4 'I-% al) t.e " v eYrince was in exi,tenee. N . 1 , h. s h, ,*ett...*.;.-tly w Feared t° °PPose the line on behalf of the as about to cross-examine the last wit- Vit - ""ter'r ,I t o b . Vih o a Upted b y 6 1 ,Litiate tai en !x the right of Counsel to cross.examine A, c ,„,i , ,,,„„ i :).,„. N , 0 ,„, , , 4 11e room u 1 1 Vl4 4, 1 a • as ordered to be elea cd, and 'i, t il 4 ts ~I le r t : lti t hEt th L i t h t 4 h. "hi th -t, itt ed . e Conirnitt f e were of opinion that Mr. 1 Ao eitk 1° his ' t Zt l , -14 4 te d ~_ cros s.examination to the parti -4 ;lk ie out b. Bt Jibe Company for whom he appeared, 1,4 4:, 4 l i tpr De n) , to enter generally into all the AS Qtros-,ed with ia ed his eross-exan ination. ~,,.. shortly by Mr. Lew on behalf 1 of Sir Richard Phillips, but nothing of material importance was however reluctantly he did so, he felt bound to call upon his 7..eartied Friend to state row tin course he intended to pursue. iir. IZILDYAit9 sAd he was surprised at such an intimation. The Committee had ihtimated that they would repent to.niglit to the [louse that the preamble of the Bill had not been proved ; and, therefore, all he wanted was to adjourn until to.morrow tnorning, in order that he might proceed with it as a Bill, it such, shoo' 1 b.:. the course determined upon. I - 31 E P., P 1,1 !1 , 7, 4 I'. elicited. Mr. Witt - rmattz, who appeared on behalf of the Welsh Midland Railway, was objected to being heard. The objection was :Wowed. Er. Sergeant WRANGDAM then proceeded to cross-examine the witness on behalf of Mi. Place, a landowner. Mr. Davies, of Gloucester, cross-examined Mr. Brirkland behalf of the Rev. Mr. Jones, a landowner, and possessing an in terest in the Forest of Dean Railway. Mr. Stainton, manufacturer at Stroud, was next e - .l.amined by Mr. BENSON—He knew the line of the South Wales Railway, and was of opinion that, from the facilities it would afford for the conveyance of coals into Stroud, they would be cheapened nearly one-half of their present price. The population that would be benefited from the diminution in the price of coal from the proposed railway was upwards of 50,000. In answer to a question from Sir Pinup RIDLEY, Mr. Stainton replied that he had heard the Admiralty had interfered with the proposed erection of a bridge across the Severn for the purposes of the railway. _ . Ti U.` , ""E OF LORDS. ..ranc O. Their Lordships z.l. , ,emb!ed at the usual hour. Mes, , engers from the Commons brought up La veral Bills, which were read a first time•. MAY NOOTII. Petiti , n3 arflinst the grant to :41ayno , ,ill were 'presented by the Duke Gf Buckingham, the Earl of Rattner, and Lord Campbell. The CIIA IRMA N, after a few minutes' consultation with the other Members of the Committee, announced that they had acceded to the application, and would now adjourn to twolve o'clock to.:r orrow, but on the understanding that there was to be no further ad. journment. SCOTCH UNIVERSITIES. Lo-d CAMPBELL presented a petition against the tests in the Scotch Universities. RAILWAYS. Tne LEARNED Loltn also gave notice that on the second read ing of the Braniling Junction Railway Bill he would draw atten tion to the important subject of railway companies purchasing railways and canals, and thereby forming a monopoly contrary to the intentions of the Legislature. Lord BROUGHAM presented a petition relative to the purchase of a canal by a railway company, and in doing so must say that he heartily approved of the motion of which his Noble and Learned Friend had given notice. The NOBLE aryl LEARNED Loan' also presented a petition from Mr. H. C. Talbot, against the Wilts and Somerset Railway. Also a petition from John Free. M. 1)., who held {and in the county of Devcn under Sir Stafford Northcote, against a rail way there, which intersected his property, and cut up his g.trdens and lawns. The Noble Lord reterrod to the transactions that took place between him and Sir Staf ford Northeote, in reference to tine railway, and characterised the conduct of Sir Stafford, or his agents, as being the most dishonourable that ever came under his notice. The doctor applied to Sir Stafford it' reference to the injuries he would su.tain, and the only satisfaction he cook! get front him was that Sir Stafford Nortlmote had been settled with. tie had been bought, anti did not say a word against the 13111 now. He did not care what was done with either the lawn or garden now, because he had received a great deal of money, and, therefore, he left his poor tenant, the doctor, in the lurch. The doctor was not allowed to be heard, and the con sequence was, the 13i11 was suffered to pass. Earl Paz WILLIAM said his Noble and Learned Friend had stated the case with perfect accuracy, as far as he himself knew of it. On cross examination by Mr. LAW, he said he did not con sider the navigation of the river would be injured by erecting the bridges. . . . . . . Nathaniel Marley concurred entirely with the statements e last witness. Mr. Fisher was next examined—He stated he had been exten sively engaged in preparing traffic tables for several railway com panies, and had made up the traffic tables for the South Wales Railway, in conjunction with Mr. Rockland. He had heard the testimony of that gentleman, and entirely agreed wit'l him in his statements of the traffic. The Committee adjourned till twelve to-morrow. Lord C ‘kiMPBELL had never heard of such an act of op pression a; the Railway Company proposed to commit. and the Company that would take advantage of the poor doctor's situa tion, and would not allow him to be heard, surely deserved no favour at the hands of their Lordships. The Earl of ST. GERMANS considered that the Noble Lord (Lord Brougham) had taken a mo.t unwarrantable position of late with respect to subjects like the one before their Lordships. 'f he subject would be thoroughly considered by the Committee on the Bill, which might be rejected on the third reading. Ile hoped tie House would not listen to the proposition of the Noble Lord. Lord REDESDALE considered that Dr. Freer was worthy of credit, and that there could be no doubt of the correctness of the facts set forth in the petition. After a company had re fused to give a person a fair compensation. he was told he might go to the Committee on the Bill. By doing so he might lose more money than the property for which he claimed compensa ti, n was worth. Lord BROUGHAM considered that the Noble Earl (Earl of St. Germans) had not held a seat sufficiently long in that House to entitle him to interpret the forms of the House better than he (Lord Brougham) could. The Doctor went before the Committee, but the landlord objected to his being heard, so that Sir Stafford Northcote and his son stopped the mouth of Dr. Freer, and preventel him from petitioning. They then, after inducing him to fellow their advice, made terms be hind his haelr for the injuries the railway would cause his pro perty, taking advantage of his own error, and they now came forward and told him that it was no use for him to look for compensation, as he had not petitioned. He ( Lord Brougham) never, in the whole course of his life, knew such a case of practising upon a man as this case of the Northcote family. If this rule were estab!ished, no matter what grievance a tenant had to complain of, he had no remedy if the landlord alone was to be heard. The Earl of WICKLOW complained of the irregularity which had lately become prevalent, of raising discussions on the presentation of petitions, and more particularly of the practice of his Noble and Learned Friend opposite, of making a long speech upon every petition he happened to present. The Noble Lord was not sit►sfied with stat►ng the nature of the petition, but he took upon himself the gratuitous task of making attacks upon individuals, and when a friend of those indivi duals happened to get up to defend them, the Noble Lord be came exceedingly indignant. If any one was d,ssatisfied with a railway company, he had nothing to do but to send a petition to the Noble Lord. and he might be sure the Noble Lord would make an er parte speech on presenting it. Lord BROUGEIA3I said there was never anything more wi•hout foundation than the latter remark of the Noble Earl. There was scarcely one out of every fifty petitions forwarded to him that he selected for presentation. After a few words from Lord CAMPBELL, the matter dropped. PUBLIC PETITIONS &c. Lord PORTM AN gave notice that on Thursday next he should introduce a Bill relating to tenants andtenaney in Eng land. The LORD CIIANCF:LLOR presented a petition from a Dissenting congregation in Dublin, in favour of the grant to 111 noot h. 'I he NOBLE AND LEARNED Loan laid on the table, by command of her Majesty, the report of the Commissioners on Criminal Law. ..... The Bishop of NORWICH presented a number of peti tions from Dissenters in Suffolk against the grant to Maynooth. The Marquis of BREADALBANE presented a petition from Members of the Free Church of S cotland against the grant to Maynooth. He stated that they had erected 630 churches. He also presented petitions of a similar tendency from the members of the congregation of Albion chapel, London, and from the members of different religious de nominations from Staleybridge, Loughborough, Dewsbury, Halifax, Plymouth, and several other places. The Earl of LI ADDINGTON did not mean to say a single syllable on the sulject that arose out of the grant. He rose to dissent from what was expressed by the Noble Marquis as to the cause of the disruption that had taken place in the Free Church of Scotland. It was not in consequei cc (as he un derstood the Noble Marquis to state) of the Auchterarder ease. That was not the cause of the disruption. They stayed in several years afterwards. It was because of the conditions which were afterwards imposed upon them, and which they could not conscientiously submit to. The Earl cf CH ARLEVILLE presented petitions against the grant to Mayziooth and the national system of education, and postponed the motion of which he had given notice for to night till Monday next, so as to afford the Noble Earl time to prozure certain papers in reference to it. ENDOWMENT OF 31AYNOOTH. The Duke of WELLINGTON moved the order of the day for the House going into Committee on the Bill for the en: dowment of Maynnoth. The Duke of LEINSTER said he had had no opportunity, during the former debate, to address their Lordships on the subject of this Bill, and he wished now to detain the House for a few minutes while he removed some of the aspersions which had been cast on the College of Nlaynooth. He had for several years resided near to that College, and he could assure their Lordships that he had never heard of the least miscon duct, or of anything improper having been committed by the inmates, or the principals of the tstablishtnent. He had the honour of being personally acquainted with some of them, and for his part he hail never met with more worthy men. They always abstained from participating in politics, and were loyal and true subjects of her Majesty. He begged to thank the Government for baying introduced the measure, and to assure them that he thought it would prove a great boon and a great benefit to Ireland. The Earl of CL A NUAB TY said, notwithstanding what had fallen from the Noble Duke opposite, it would still be his duty to move that the Bill be committed that day six months ; be cause he thought it was opposite to the Constitution, and in direct violation of the principles of the Established Church. lie called on Noble Lords to consider well the consequences which would arise if the Bill were passed into a law, and trusted they would not allow the Anglican Church to rest on mere sufferance, by recognising the principle that the Roman Catholic religion, or rather an antagonist church, was deserv ing of the support of the State. The Christian religion was net founded oil expediency, but on the Scri t itures, and as a member of hat religin, he never would consent to a measure - . to perpc'uate an in s titut ion, the education taught in which was in direct opposition to the tenets of the Church. They talked of the hardship of giving some of the professors in the College of Maynooth so small a stipend a s 1504 a year, whilst a curare in the Protestant Church, who might have a large family to support, received no more than 751. a year, but who was no 1, se a gentleman because he was in want of the necessaries of life, for he held that the true characteristics in the education of a gentleman were to be found in the Christian religion. It was stated that they could not enter Maynooth without perceiving evidence of the poverty of the institution in the filth and dirtiness which abounded in every part ; but if they went into a poor curate's house they would perceive, instead of filth and dirtiness, fru gality and cleanliness. Then, with respect to the policy of tne measure, the ostensible o,iject of the Govern ment in proposing it, was to strengthen the union be tween this country sod Ireland, which was a great and im portant design; but they should have considered whether the people of England were in favour of r.trengthening their union with Ireland by charitable endowments. The Protestants of England and Ireland, and the Presbyterians of Scotland, con demned the measure as impolitic, and as uncalled for. He gave credit to the Government for their motives, but he could not conceive a worse moment than the resent for proposing a message of peace. Ireland would say the concession was wrung from a reluctant Parliament. He called upon Noble Lords to state whether the petitions which they had presented against the Bill contained the genuine s entiments of the pe titioners or not. He was clearly of opinion that the feelings of the people of Er gland were against the measure. Let that question he adjourned, and let others be brought forward, like the one before their Lordships last night —measures that would take care of the poor, and be of a beneficial tendency to the country—then such a measure would go ever approved of by the people of England, and would be received by the people of Ireland as a " message of peace" indeed. The Earl of WICKLOW said that he would not detain the House long. The question had been so much debated already that nothing new could be said upon it. He considered that her Majesty's Ministers were influenced by a regard to the public welfare in bringing such a measure forward, but much as he approved of it, he would not regard it w ith such satis faction if it were not an index of other measures, having for their object the welfare of the people of Ireland. There was another subject which he would allude to, and which was almost suggested by the measure at present before their Lordships— he meant the endowment of the Catholic clergy of Ireland. That was a question which he had long considered was impera tively necessary, and he was quite convinced that it was merely a question as to time ancl mode. There were, he thought, two ways by which it was proposed that this should be accomplished, either by making it a charge on the Consolidated Fund, or by taking a portion of the funds of the Protestant Church for that purpose. 'f he first he considered an objectionable mode, and a mode which would not be sanctioned by the Government or the country. The second was also objectionable, for he could not be a consenting party to any measure that would despoil the Protestant Church in Ireland of its property. He considered, however, that something must he done in reference to this sub ject, and if they deferred i t long, he foresaw that it would ultimately become a party shiboleth, and a g itate t he country to as great an ex tent, if not a g reater extent , than the grant to Maynooth. What he wo uld propose to do, i f n or st t e h a e d t o n t the tio tc two in en t modesefth e thatcat hoe cle r gy had i been Ireland, frequently' suggested was to make the endowment a rent charge. This charge, he con sidered, was one to which the landlords of Ireland could have no objection, for, on referring to the Tithe Adjustment Act in 1737, up to the Church Temporalities Act, he found that the landlords had benefited to the amount which had been taken off the revenues of the Church. By the recent Church Tem poralities Act no less than 60,0001. was taken from the Church 4n d put into the pockets of the landlords ; and if this were added to the 103,000/, referred to, it would make a sum of 255,0001. He thought it most strange, al.o, that when the 25 per cent, was struck off the 750,0001., w h ich was the revenue of the Irish Church, there was nothing like the outcry on the Opposition benches which had beet given to th e mea s sore at present before their Lord§iliN• Now, if this sum of P 5 5 ,00 0/. was pot on as a rent-charge for the endowment of the Roman Catholic Clioreli in Ireland, he considered that it would do exactly for that purpose, and, by mak i ng this pro posal, he would be only asking their Lordships to place the landlords in the same position 44 they were twelve years ago. 64rely, 'then, if (as he believed) a measure of this kind would give satisfaction, and promote the tranquillity which THE SUN, LONDON, WEDNESDAY EVENING, JUNE 11. 1815. was FO much to be desired, it would not be asking ton much fro.n !ler 2112jesty'r Govern, ent tO ictroduei. a Bill fur Oat purp, , e. That, or sornet!iipg ,iroiltr, would ! fournl to be ti.ic most eff:otual, as wtll as satisfi-ctory, of securin , the peace and good foelir:g of ti. I ri•h peopl, ; and he hoped that before the present st s,ion expired they would bring for ward a measure of Ilia! kind. Earl FE ZWILLIA was sure that her Majesty's Govern ment ought to feel grateful to the Noble Earl for bringing for ward the subject which he bad just introduced to their notice. It was one which they should take up, and which fol lowed almost as a necessary consequence after the step which they had just taken. He had formed a very erroneousjudgment of the ability of her Majesty's Government if they did not follow up the measure which was now before their Lordships by other measures of a conciliatory nature, and above all by the measure which had just been referred to by the Noble Earl. He did not assent to the proposition of taking the money for that purpose from the consolidated fond ; and he believed that the Catholic clergy would persist in refusing to take such a payment. His plan was not exactly the same, but was nearly of a similar kind to that proposed by the Noble Earl. The income of the clergy of the Protestant Church in Ireland might. be now somewhat smaller than it was, and there was no doubt that it was so ; but it was no longer levied in kind, and the poor were altogether exempted from the payments which were formerly exacted from them. With re stela to the mode of paying the Catholic clergy he thought they should be placed un the same footing exactly as the Pro• testant clergy. As they were riot married men it might not, indeed, be necessary to give them the same amount of income, hut in his opinion they were placed on precisely the same footing. It would be impossible to get rid of the feeling which such inequality would give rise to in the minds of both the clergy and people of Ireland. He would then efore pop se that whatever would remain to make up their income, after the twenty-five per cent. was allotted to them, should he made up by an additional charge on the land. He begged to apologise to their Lordships for having occupied their attention again on the measure before the House, but as the question of the endowment of the Catholic clergy had been introduced he thought it desii able to state the opinions which he entertained upon that subject. Lord CAMPBELL said, that as he had been referred to by the Noble Earl, he fell. inclined to make a few remarks, but, looking to the state of the House, and to the omens of adjourn ment which it indicated, he would postpone anything he had to say till a future stage of the Bill. Lord CLA NCA Y said that he would not press his t menclment to a division, and he would therefore, with their :r.ord , hips' permission, withdraw it. He admitted having op. posed a measure of a similar nature while he sat in the House of Commons, but things and circumstances bad changed since then. Ireland had long existed in an excited state, and the present measure was introduced as an earnest of their willing ness and desire to deal fairly and liberally with the people of that country. Reserving to themselves the ootion of intro ducing larger measures whenever an opportunity or occasion should present itself, they had thought it better to bring in this Bill in the first instance, to convince the people of Ireland that they wished to deal with them rather on conciliatory than on coercive principles. The Marquis of BR EADA LBA NE was sure the speech of the Noble Lord would have a due effect upon the sister country ; but he believed the people of England would not be gulled by the measure.—( Hear, and a laugh.) The speech of the Noble Lord would show to the people the feeling entertained by in fluential members of their Lordships' House on this most im portant question—a question which he maintained was con trary to the fundamental principles of the Constitution, and op posed to those safeguards of the liberties of the country, which were established at the Revolution, and which had never been violated till now. He regretted that he was compelled to differ from those friends, with whom he generally acted ; but en another occasion he hoped to have an opportunity of stating more fully the grounds upon which he opposed the Bill. The House then went. into Committee on the Bill, and the whole of the clauses having been agreed to, the Houso re sumed, when The CHAIRMAN reported progress, and the Bill was or dered to be read a third time, on Monday next. LANDLORDS AND TENANTS' BILL. Lord STANLEY intimated his intention of moving the second reading of this Bill on Friday, instead of Monday next. CANAL TOLLS' BILL. This Bill went through Committee, and was ordered to be read a third time on Thursday next. Several Bills were advanced a stage, and their Lordships ad journed till Thursday. GROUP Z. DITZILIN AND I'aULLING/lIEZ 1 AILVIAY. (Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.) Mr. AUSTIN, having briefly noticed the course of the line, told the Committee that the only opposition to the Bill was from two geutlemer, named M'Cann, who would be slightly injured by a lo , s of traffic, they being carriers on part of the line. The Learned Counsel concluded his remarks by expressing his conviction that the Committee would declare the preamt,le of the Bill proved. A witness seas then called to prove the traflic on the line, and at this stage of the inquiry, the Speaker having been announced at prayer, the Committee adjourned ill twelve o'clock to-morrow, OUSE of LORDS.—(YESTERDAY.) STANDING ORDERS. The following Railway Bills came before Lord Shaftesbury this evening :—The Shrewsbury, Oswestry, and Chester, the Man chester and Leeds (Burnley, Oldham, and Heywood), the Berks and Hants, the Midland Railways (Syston to Peterborough), the Leeds and West Riding Junction, the Ely and Huntingdon, and Lynn and Ely. The Bills were unopposed in this stage and went through the Committee pi o forma. The proceedings were strictly private. NIARKET INTELLIGENCE. (Fr•u the London Neu, Price Current of June 10.) SVGA it —To-day there was a strong desire evinced to pur chase Refinery and Grocery descriptions of West India Sugar, but extensive purchases were prevented by the scanty show, and a good business was transacted, and the rates paid were fully equal to those of Friday. REFIRED.—To-day Refined Sugar brought further advanced rates, brown lumps selling at ios 6d to 71s. and standard lumps 7 . 2 s to 72s tid. Crushed Sugar manufactured under bond is held for 393 I'd to 4' s per cat. MAURITIUS. —This afternoon there was a large public sale of 12,216 bags 40 casks, and 24 cases of Alauritius Sugar, the trade were desirous to purchase, and the whole sold at an ad vance on former rates of Is for brown and the lower sorts of yellow, and 6d per cwt for the better kinds. EAST INDIA.—This afternoon two parcels of Bengal Sugar, amounting to 2,405 bags, were submitted to public competi tion, and sold at very full rates—viz., fine white at 563, good 54i io 555, middling 51s to 535, damp and washed 48s to 555. per cwt. Mot. SSES.—This afternoon West India Molasses met with increased attention, and stiffer rat es were paid—Dommica selling at ICs, and Antigua at 21s per cwt. FOILEIGN.—This afternoon at public sale 41 hhds 7 barrels and 199 bags of Cuba Sugar were brought forward, and all sold at stiff rates. COFFEE.—This afternoon holders of all sorts of Coffee dis played firmness, and refrained from offering any at public sale. Ceylon met with attention, and of good ordinary several parcels were disposed of privately at 47s 6d to 48s per cwt. TEA.—The market has an improving appearance, the moderate rates that prevail for Blat.tk and Green Tea causing the trade to be more disposed to get into stock ; especially as the consumption continues to be as large as ever. SPICEF,.—This afternoon at public sale 24 casks of Nutmegs from 13omb sy at public sale were all sold, subject to the 3s 6d per lb duty, and fetched 2s 6d to 2s 7d, in sorts, good fair sound, some bold, rather limed. RUM, BRANDY, AND HOLLANDS —To-day there was a good business transacted in all kinds of Rum at firm rates. proof Leeward selling at Is 8d to is 9d, and Calcutta with cer tificate at Is 6d to Is 7d per gallon ; at public sale, 126 puns of Jamaica Rum were offered and sold 27 to 36 per cent over proof at 3s 2d to 4s, very low smoky 33 per cent over 2s 4d per gallon. Hors. —The demand is on the increase, and at former rates purchases to a fair extent having been made, there is still only a limited quantity on show ; at some of the country markets prices have risen. The accounts come to hand from the plan tations state that fly and lice had made its appearance in some of the Hop grounds in Kent, Sussex and Worcester, and the bine was in a backward state. • _ _ _ SA LTFETRE. —TO-day Rough was purchased more freely by private treaty, and at public sale 340 bags of Calcutta were sold at full rates. _ _ _ Ofr.s —Seal Oil has been in brisk demand, and a further advance in the value has taken place. Cod is held with firm ness, and at 31/ to 31/ lOs a good business has been transacted. Sperm has been purchased to a large extent, and full rates paid. A further advance has taken place - in the value of Linseed Oil, but the demand from the home trade has been very good. Rape has been disposed of to a fair extent at previous improved sates. In Cocoa Nut several transactions have taken place by private Ireaty. and prices are still going up. Palm has brought stiffer rates. In Olive Oil a good business has been transacted, hut at moderate rates. TALLow.—To-day Russian Tallow brought advanced rates, P Y C of fine quality on the spot selling at 40s ed to 40s 94, and for delivery in the last three months of the year at 41s to 41s fid rea cwt ; at present only 220 casks all East India are declared for auction. COURSE OF EXCIW A msterdam CF. 12 84 Ditto, at. sight l2 6 Rotterdam 2U. 12 9 werp 26 20 Elamburgh M.B. 14 0 Aitons — TGE.—(YESTERDAY.) Leghorn SO 80 Genoa ..... 26 15 Milan Venice............... — Naples . . P:dermo, pc' oz ll9 Lisbon 53 Oporto ........ 53 Rio Janeiro .... 23lt Bahia ........... Buenos, y.-s New Vol h :::dyssight ...... I.inert,: :7 .313LLION, TER OZ F0reig , .... 7 ..:1, bars. XS 17 9 Coin 3 17 5 New Poubloons..... 0 0 0 Paris, 3 days' sight 25 95 Ditto, 3 i.aonths 26 15 Marseilles Bourdeaux Frankfort on Maine 123 Petersburgh, 3Us — Beriin Vienna, etlee. 11.3 M lO 4 rieste, ditto Madrid Cadiz Haredona Sevil:e NQW S 0 4 9; Silver ,t. 4 11 LACY INTELLIGENCE. ARCHES' COURT, June 10. THE OFFICE OF TOE JUDGE FROMOTED BY HODGSON kOLINST OAKELEY. This was a cause promoted by Mr. Christopher Hodgson, againsb the Rev. Francis Oakeley, minister of St. Margaret's Chapel, in the district rectory of All Souls, St. Marylebone, for having offended against the laws, statutes, constitution, and canons ecclesiastical, by having written and published, or caused to be pub lished, a pamphlet, entitled" A Letter to the Lord Bishop of London, on a Subject connected with the recent Proceedings at Oxford," in which pamphlet or letter doctrines are advisedly main tained and affirmed directly contrary or repugnant to the true usual literal meaning of the articles of religion as by law established, or some or one of them, and contrary:to the said laws, statutes, constitu tions, and canons ecclesiastical of the realm, and against the peace and unity of the united Church of England and Ireland, as it is now by law established. The articles alleged that Mr. Oakeley, as a clerk in holy orders, had subscribed to the thirty-nine articles, and to the three articles of the 36th canon ; that he had been ticensed by the Bishop of London to perform the office of minister of St. Margaret's Chapel, with the consent of Dr. Chandler, the rector of the district, and set forth the passages in the pamphlet ob jected to. The QUEEN'S ADVOCATE, on behalf of the party promoting the office of the judge, submitted that the admissions made by Mr. Oakeley of the facts of his having written and pubiished the parn• plilet were sufficient to establish the case against him, and that he was liable to be punished according to the exigency of the law. Sir H. JENNER FUST inquired who appeared for Mr. Oakeley ? The Proc'or for that gentleman stated that he had no direction from Mr. Oakel,y to instruct counsel. The QUEEN'S ADVOCATE proleeeded to read and comment upon the passages from the pamphlet set out in the articles, and con. tended that the charges against Mr. Oakeley, for professing the Catholic faith in contravention of his ordination vows, had been fully established. Or. BAYFORD followed on the same side, and, after referring to the ordination service in which Mr. Oakeley had taken vows, one of which was that he will "banish and drive away all erroneous and strange doc.rines," adverted to the attempts made by Roman Catholic writers to reconcile the doctrines of the Church of Eng land with those of Rome ; in particular, that of Dupin, in a corn. munication with Archb'shop Wake, but which entirely failed, owing to the inconsistency of one with the other. He then cited the testimonies of all the Archbishops of Canterbury (with the exception of two, Juxon and Sheldon), for two hundred years, to the utter repugnance of the doctrines of our Church to those of Rome ; and concluded by observing that the opinions promulgated by Mr. Oakeley, if adopted, would take away from the Church of England the means of justifying herself for her separation from the Church of Rome. Sir 11. JENNER FUST said, he must take time to consider his judgment. The Learned Judge again expressed his regret that he had to determine this case without the benefit of an argument on behalf of a party proceeded against, which was the more to be lamented as there were questions of form in this case. The articles against Mr. Oakeley were general; and if the Act (13 Eliza beth, c. 12) were relied upon, he should,have to call upon Mr. Oakeley, in the first instance, to revoke his error. GROUP RR. PRESTON nizoom AND ItUNCORN re,AIL- W AY. (Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.) The remainder of the day was occupied with general evidence, which went to show that the branch, though a small one, was likely to prove au advantage to the public, and remunerate tne noble promoter. The Committee adjourned till to-morrow. GROUP SS. EnEMTASTE VALLEY naxzway. (Continued from cur Afternoon Edition of yesterday.) Mr. George Bidder, the civil engineer, had examined the pro posed line and thought it had been judiciously selected, taking into account the object in view. The works were of an uncommonly light character, and the gradients exceedingly favourable for the traffic. The estimates of the line, which had been prepared under his own immediate direction, were reasonable, and quite sufficient to construct the line. A single line, he thought, was amply sufficient to accommodate the present traffic of the district, but a time might arise when it would become necessary to lay down another set of rails. A sufficient quantity of earthwork for a double line had, therefore, Steen taken into account in preparing the estimates. The line would be available for an electric telegraph. Mr. Woodhouse was recalled to prove that there yet remained unworked, within sixty square miles of the route of the railway, twenty-four million tons of coal and an equal proportion of iron • stone. Several inhabitants of Henn, a place of some importance on the line, then gave evidence in favour of the Bill, and the Committee adjourned. 61{0UP W. DONCA.STEE. AND GOOLE RAILWAY. The Committee on this line met to.day at twelve o'clock, Mr. Pakington in the char. Present, Lord Seymour, the Hon. Mr. Bouvetie, the Hon. Dlr. Maxwell, and Mr. Whitmore. Tile CHAIRMAN stated to Mr. Austin that the Committee were prepared to hear what arrangement he had to propose in reference to the suggestions thrown out yesterday. Mr. AtrsriN saw no great difficulty in postponing the considera tion of the Bill till a decision was come to on the.other three lines that had been referred to, but he saw a very great difficulty in withdrawing the Bill altogether. The expense which this would entail upon the promoters would be very great. He would therefore suggest the propriety of postponing any further proceedings till after the Committee on the London and York line had come to a decision with respect to that project. They would be in a better condition then to form a judgment as to the course proper to be pursued with respect to the proposed line. He was desirous that they should postpone it; also, in consequence of the proceedings that were at present going on in Parliament with respect to railways in general. On these grounds, as well as the very great cost which would be en. tailed by the withdrawal of the Bill altogether, he thought it better to adjourn the further proceedings for a considerable time, or till the decision on the York and London line was known. He thought it right also to mention this, as he did not look upon the line as contingent or dependent upon the decision that might be come to upon the other Bills that were at present before Com mittees. It commenced at a very important part, and the other terminus was a very large and populous commercial town. He considered that it had independent merits of its own. Nevertheless, he was quite willing to submit himself to the feeling of the Committee. He was only desirous that the pro. moters of the line should not sustain the loss which its withdrawal altogether would necessarily entail. . . _ The CHAIRMAN thought as great stress was laid by Mr. Austin in opening the case on the traffic from Sheffield, and the towns in that direction, to Goole, he did not see how they could enter into a consideration of its merits till a decision was come to On the Swinton and Doncaster, and other lines that were then under con. sideration. Mr. AUSTIN sa►d that nothing was more common than the pro. jection of two or three competing lines when one was first pro. posed, but he would show such a case on behalf of the Doncaster and. Goole line, that the Committee must, on the reasonable grounds which he would offer, give their sanction to it. The CHAIRMAN thought, as the decision of the Committee on the London and York line was not likely to be ascertained for a considerable time, it better that they should adjourn till a certain fixed day. _ _ . Mr. AUSTIN acceded to the motion. Mr. CROWDER objected to the postponement of the Bill. He considered it unfair to his clients, who were opposed to the Bill, in consequence of the expenses which the postponement would entail. He would, therefore, submit to the Committee that Mr. Austin should ei.her proceed with his Bill, or withdraw it altogether. The CIILIRMAN then ordered the room to be cleared, and the Committee remained in consultation about half an hour. On our re.admission The CHAIRMAN said that the Committee had given the case their best consideration, and they were of opinion that if they were to accede to the first alternative proposed, namely, that of going on with the Bill, they is euld be proceeding under disadvantageous circum. stances, as they could not come to a decision while the other Bills were pending. They therefore thought that the best course to adopt was to postpone the Bill till Monday, the 7th of July. The Committee then proceeded with the several clauses of the Wakefield, Poidefrac , , and Goole line, which occupied them for the remainder of the day. GROUP IV W. IVIANCRESTLR AND LEEDS RAILWAY. (Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.) This is a Bill to enable the Manchester and Leeds Railway to borrow a sum of 350,0001.. to liquidate debts owing to contractors and owners of land, and also to erect workshops and stations, and to build locomotive engines, waggons, and a superior kind of third_ class carriages called for by the increase of traffic. Mr. Hawkshaw, the engineer, proved the necessity for those alterations and additions, when the Committee decided the pre. amble to be proved, and the clauses having been read and agreed to, the Bill was ordered to be reported to the House. EASTERN UNION T ACT. RAILWAY AMEND.. WEN This is a Bill similar in purport to the one previously passed, tn.- ing to enable the Eastern Railway Company to raise new shares to the amount of 50,0001., in order to meet the wants of the Company, from the increase of traffic. The Committee decided the preamble to be proved, and having gone through the clauses which were agreed to with several verbal amendments, the Chairman was instructed to report the Bill to the House. MANCHESTER, BURY, AND ROSSENDALE. The object of this Bill is to change the name of the Manchester, Bury, and Rossendale Railway to the East Lancashire Railway, and to amend its clauses so as to assimilate then to the Railway Clauses Consolidation Act. Mr. John Grundy, agent for the Company, said there was an Act passed last session to extend a railway from the Manchester and Bolton Railway, through Bury, to the Forest of Rossenden. There was also a Bill now in the House of Lords, having passed the House of Commons, for the purpose of extending the previous-named line to the towns of Blackburn, Accrington, Colne, and Clitheroe. The object of the Bill before the Committee was to amend the Bill of last session, so as to make it more in conformity with the Railway Clauses Consolidation Act, and to change the name, so as to render it more expressive of its character as a district raißlay. 3he Committee decided the preamble to be proved, and pro ceeded to the consideration of the clauses. The clauses were read and agreed to, and the Bill ordered to be reported. The Greenwich Colliery Bill was withdrawn, the agent an nouncing that he had no evidence to offer on behalf of the preamble. THE ST. HELEN'S CANAL AND RAILWAY. Mr. FORSYTH opened the case for this scheme, which is pro posed to connect the Sankey Brook Navigation with the Runcorn Gap Railway. The Learned Gentleman having briefly described the line, stated that the only opponent to the Bill was Mr. Scoresby, an extensive coal and landowner in the district. Mr. Kn. owles appeared for Mr. Scoresby. Mr. Fonsvni took an objection to Mr. Scoresby's being beard against the Bill, to which Mr. Knowles briefly replied. when the Chairman intimated that the Committee would give their decision on the point in the morning. The Committee then adjourned till twelve to-morrow. GROUP X. CADIRRIIIGE ANTI LINCOLN RAILWAY. IMPORTANT DECISION. COURT OF ALDERMEN. Yesterday Alderman Wood brought up a report from the Gaol Committee, which re commended that a third Court should be provided at the Central Criminal Court, and that ground should he forthwith purchased for that purpose. The Court agreed to the report, and proceeded immediately afterwards to the consideration of a report recom mending that measures should be taken to purchase ground adjoining Newgate, for the erection of a new Compter. This report, which detailed all the proceedings adopted since the year 1837, for the purpose of effecting a sepa ration of the prisoners and a classification of them in the prison, has the following paragraph at the conclusion :—" We find that there is a space between Newgate and Warwick-lane and the Ses. sions-house, consisting of 54,200 square superficial feet, which can be obtained. We therefore recommend that, without delay, steps be taken to obtain this site, under power and provisions of the Act 4th Geo. IV., before alluded to.'' On the motion of Alderman Wood, this report was also agreed to, and sent back to be carried into execution. FERMOY, SUNDAY.-MR. O'CONNELL'S JOURNEY TO Coos.—Mr. O'Connell, accompanied by his eldest son, Mr. Maurice O'Connell, his kinsman, Captain Primrose, Mr. Steele, and Captain Broderick, arrived here yesterday evening from Kil. kenny, where he breakfasted. The Mayor and some members of the corporation of that city paid their respects to Mr. O'Connell before his departure. All through his route, and the towns along the line, Mr. O'Connell was hailed as he passed with manifesta tions of popular attachment, especially at Clonmel and Kilrush. From Clogheen to this town was one scene of popular rejoicing. Last night this place was all festivity, but perfectly tranquil at the same time. An enormous bonfire was lighted opposite the hotel where Mr. O'Connell and his friends passed the night. Triumphal arches were placed at the extremities of the great bridge over the Blackwater, and in various parts of the town. Bands of music played during the evening, and multitudes paraded the streets. This morning, after attending mass in the chapel here, Mr. O'Con nell proceeded to Glanmire, to meet the procession which is to accompany him into Cork. THE LATE FATAL DUEL.—It is said that evidence is to be brought forward by Lieutenant Hawkey's friends to prove the provocation to this unfortunate duel, which has produced such lamentable results, and that Lietrenatit Hawkey will surrender him self at the termination of the inquiry, to abide the consequences. Roy AL AIARIN ES.— IV 00LW ICH, JUNE 9.--Orders were received on Saturday evening to have :12f nm-comtnissioned c atteers and privates of the division of Royal stationed here, with the non t proportion of officers, in readiness to embark on the shortest notice for a paosA4:e to Portsmouth, to servo on board the experimental squadron. The Marquis and Marchioneos of deter are entertaining the Duke and Duchess of Bedford and a selept party at Buckhurst Lodge, near Ascot. Lady Charles Wellesley has left A ps tey House to join thecircle. ! The Chancellor of theET, - cheq:u r ackncwledges tomorrow morning. Mr. Sergeant \Vita:swum opposed the application. He con. the receipt of a 50/. noto from X, for the pablic :el vice.—Downing tented that too much time had already been lost, and therefore, street, June 10. -- - - The Committee assembled this day at one o'clock, and having remained in deliberation about half ran hour, announced that the parties might be admitted, when the crowds who were wedged and i crammed together outside the door made a tremendous rush in, and in less than a minute the room was almost suffocating. When order was restored, The CHAIRMAN said—l have been instructed by the Committee to inform the parties that it is the intention of the Committee, when the proper time shall arrive, to report to the House that in the case of the Cambridge and Lincoln line the Committee had found that the preamble of the Bill had not been proved, inasmuch as it has appeared in evidence that the line contemplated under the provi sions of the Bill referred by the House to the Committee cannot, under the provisions of that Bill, or of those of the Sth Victoria, cap. 20, be carried into effect according to the plans and specifica tions deposited in the Private Bill-office. But at the same time that they make this intimation, they think it tight to add, that it will be open to the promoters of this Bill, after the Committee shall have repotted to the House, to submit the scheme to the Commit tee in the shape of a project. Mr. HILDYARD wi hed to know did`not the Committee consider that it was now before them in that shape ? The CnntamAN—Not until the Committee should have reported to the House against it as a Bill. At the same time if the pro moters of the Bill wished to go on they could do so only by the consent of parties. Mr. Sergeant WRANGIIAM said that if his Learned Friend was prepared to proceed with the Bill as a project he was quite ready to give his answer. Mr. HILDYARD—What is the answer? Mr. Sergeant WRANGHAM—Let me know first whether you in. tend to prcceed as a project ? HlLDlARD—Decidedly I do. Mr. Sergeant WRANGHAM said he would have no objection to that course. Mr. HILDYARD—But suppose he did so proceed, let the Com mittee then simply report to the House that the preamble had not been proved. The Learned Counsel then asked for a copy of the decision of the Committee, and having read it, he then requested that the Committee would allow him a few minutes to consult with his clients, as this decision was one of such very great importance. The Committee agreed to do so, the Chairman at the same time intimating to the Learned Counsel that he might, if he chose, go on with it now as a Bill, but not until the Committee had de. cided against the preamble of the Bill. The Learned Counsel then retired, and having returned after about twenty minutes absence, Mr. HILDVARD said, that after the announcement of the Com mittee, ha bcgged to request that the Committee would adjourn till Mr. of the HOUSE OF CiI,II,I3ONS. 10. The SPEAKER took the Chair shortly before Four o'clock. The North Wales Mineral Railway Bill, the Monkland and Kirkintilloch Railway Bill, and the Aberdeen Railway Bill, were reported. Mr. GODSON moved that it be an 'instruction to the Com mittee on the Monmouth and Hereford Railway Bill (Group P.) to entertain the petition of John Stratford Collins. After some observations from Lord G. SOMERSET, the motion was withdrawn. The Cork and Bandon Railway Bill was reported, after some observations from Mr. Sergeant MURPHY. The Battersea Poor Bill was reported. THE BROAD AND NARROW GAUGE. Sir G. GREY moved that the evidence on the Oxford, Worcester, and Wolverhampton Railway Rill, and the Oxford and Rugby Railway Bill, be communicated to this House ; and that it be printed. It was a question of great public importance to consider the nar. row and wide gauge, and the production of the evidence he now moved for would bo of the most essential importance on the question. After some observations from Mr. H. DRUMMOND and Lord G. SOMERSET the motion was agreed to. The Caledonian Railway Bill, and the Clydesdale Junction Railway Bill were reported. Upon the third reading of the Chelsea Improvement Bill being moved, Sir T. D. ACL AN D thought it would be desirable that the third reading should he delayed for a short period. Colonel WOOD, to whose care the Bill had been confided by his son, the Member for Middlesex, had entertained no idea that the measure was to be opposed. He had had no communication with any parties out of doors on the subject, but he thought the proposition for delay so reasonable, that he would at once accede to it. After a few words from Mr. VERNON HARCOURT and Mr. GREENE, the motion was agreed to. NORTH WOOLWICH RAILWAY. The Ye port on the North Woolwich Railway Bill was brought up, and the amendments were agreed to. LANCASTER AND CARLISLE RAILWAY. On the motion of Mr. H. HINDE, the report on the Lancaster and Carii•le Railway Bill was received, and the amendments were agreed to. BLACKBURN ND PRESTON AND PRESTON AND WYRE RAILWAY BILLS. The further consideration of the Blackburn and Preston Railway Bill and of the Preston and Wyre Railway Bill were deferred until to-morrow. WEST LONDON RAILWAY BILL. Mr. W. PATTEN presented a petition from the Chairman of the West London Cemetery Company, complaining of a breach of the standing orders on the part of the pro moters of the West London Railway Bill. It had been dis covered by the merest accident that the promoters of the West London Railway proposed by their Bill to take a considerable portion of land belonging to the West London Cemetery Com pany. They had given no notice to the Company, as required by the stand►ng orders, so that the Cemetery Company had no power of appearing before the Committee to oppose the Bill. The petition was ordered to lie on the table. DUBLIN AND GALWAY RAILWAY BILL. The report of the Dublin and Galway Railway Bill was brought up, and Mr. GROGAN moved that. it be an instruction to the Committee on the Dublin, Mullingar, and Galway Railway Bill, to entertain the petition of the proprietors of the North Lots, Dublin. azainst the said Bill.—Agreed to. AGRICULTURAL AND COMMERCIAL BANK OF IRELAND. Mr. COLLETT moved that the minutes of the proceedings of the Committee on the Agricult ur al and Commercial Bank of Ireland Bill be hid on the table of the House. He intended to oppose the third reading of the Bill, and wanted those mi nutes to make out his case. The motion was opposed by Mr. GREENE, who considered the question was merely one between private parties, in which the public had no interest, and, therefore, the public ought not to becalled upon to pay the expense of printing the minutes. Mr. MORISON had been on the Committee, and could not see how any possible public benefit could arise from printing the minutes. After aft w words from Mr. PATTISON, the motion was negatived without a division. _ LEEDS AND THIRSK RAILWAY BILL. On its being moved that the Report on the Leeds and Thirsk Railway Bill be brought up, Mr. LAWSON complained of a breach of faith in regard to this measure. The North of England Company had promoted the Harrogate and Ripon junction line as a ' competing line to the Leeds and Thirsk. They had told him that their case was such a good one that they were certain of success, and for ten days they had been before the Committee. The Chairman of the York and Midland line had, in the meantime, purchased the whole of the North of England shares, and had withdrawn the Harrogate and Ripon project, which had been favourably reported on by the Board of Trade, which withdrawal was a great detriment to the public. In consequence of these proceedings he was placed in such a position, that he could not benefit even by a decision of the House in his favour; and although he con sidered the Leeds and Thirsk line not the best, yet he was not hostile to it in some respects. Mr. P. M. STEWART, as Chairman of the Committee, would satisfy the Hon. Gentleman and the House that it was not in the power of the House to benefit him. This was one of three projects which hail been submitted to the Committee, and after fighting the matter for seven days, the Committee were told that matters were settled, and the result was the withdrawal of the Harrogate and Ripon project. The Committee had, therefore, no course left but to negative the preamble of the Bill. He was not surprised at the feeling exhibited by the Honourable Gentleman, as the withdrawal of this Bill left Borough bridge as it were high and dry as far as railway communication was concerned, but it was the opinion of the Committee that some line of railway communication should be fortnftl for Bo roughbridge either with the North of England or the Leeds and Thirsk lines, and he had no doubt but such a project would meet the approval of Porliament. The report was then agreed to, WHITEHAVEN AND FURNESS JUNCTION RAIL- WAY BILL. The report on this Bill was agreed to. WATERFORD AND KILKENNY RAILWAY. The report on the Waterford and Kilkenny Railway Bit was referred to the Select Committee on Standing Orders. ABERDEEN RAILWAY. Mr. BANNERNIAN gave notice that he should move the third reading of the Aberdeen Railway Bill on Friday. LONDONDERRY AND COLERAINE RAILWAY. The reception of the report on the Londonderry and Cole , raine Railway Bill was deferred until Thursday next. CAMBRIDGE AND LINCOLN RAILWAY. Lord COHRTENAY reported for the Committee on the Cambridge and Lincoln Railway Bill that they had decided that the preamble of the Bill was not proved, but that they would admit it as a project. NEWCASTLE, SHIELDS, AND TYNEMOUTH EX TENSIt►N RAILWAY. The Newcastle-upon-Tyne, North Shields, ani Tyne mouth Extension Railway Bill was read a third time, and passed. STANDING ORDERS. Mr. GREENE brought up the report of the Committee on standing orders. NEWCASTLE AND DARLINGTON RAILWAY. On the motion of Mr. H. HIN DE, thr• report of the further proceedings on the Newcastle and Darlington Railway was ordered to be laid before the House. DUBLIN AND DROGHEDA RAILWAY. On the motion of Mr. GIBSON CRAIG, the reception of the report on this Bill was deferred until to.morrow. SHEFFIELD AND ROTHERHAM RAILWAY. On the motion of Mr. WARD, the report on the Shei'field and Rotherham Railway Bill was brought up. The London and Greenwich Railway Bill was read a third time and passed. SLAVE TRADE. Lord PALMERSTON gave notice that he should, on the Bth July, move for the production of the evidence taken before the Mixed Commission of Inquiry into the Suppression of the Slave Trade Treaties. SERVICES IN CHINA. Mr. 11. BED i:ELEY give not'e,! that, on the Bth of .itt . :y next, he should move for a Com—"tee th e :Thole House, for the purpose of ciaaroining int 3 tie propriety of presenting a humble addrcss to her M. jest}, praying her Majesty to order that the services of the officers, the seamen, and marines, alto served in China in the years 1841 and 1842, should be taken into consideration ith the view to their pewmiary recompense. REFORM HILL. itTr. T. DUNCOMBE save notice that, on the S:h July, he should move for a repeal of the rate-paying clauses of the Re form Bill. NEW ZEALAND. Mr. AGLIONBY would wish to put a question of some importance to the Hon. the Under-Secretary for the Colonies, whom he saw opposite. He wished to know whether dispatches had been received from New Zealand, and whether those papers would be laid on the table of The House previous to the introduction of the question on the subject of that colony by his Hon. Friend the Member for Liskea,d? Mr HOPE said that papers down to th;• 19th of December had been riecived at the Colonial-office, and he had that rai ment directed that they should be laid before the House at the earliest opportunity. TEE CASE OF THE WOMAN BRISCOE. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE wished to know from the Right lion. Baronet opposite if he had received any further information relit ive to the case of the unfortunate woman Briscoe, at Wor cester, to which he ( Mr. Duocombe) had once before called the attention of the linue? Sir J. GRAHAM was understood to reply in the negative. CORN-LAWS. Mr. VILLIERS said, that in rising to submit to the House the important question which was involved in the resolution to which he was about to call the attention of the House. he believed he might congratulate himself at least on one thing, which was, that by a sort of general understanoing in that House, the propriety of this motion being made was recog nisi d, or i,t least. it was acknowledged generally that such was the unshaken conviction among numerous classes of the importance of the objects connected with the question, of the necessity which existed for some decision, in order to do away with the unsettled state in which it remained at present, that. it did become the duty of some Member, before the close of the session, to test the opinion of Parliament, and, if possible, to elicit the views which influenced lieneurab'e Members in that House upon the sub ject. If he bad apprehended rightly the reasons which her Majesty's Ministers had given when they had occasion to speak on the measure which bad already been brought forward this session, on this question, they had said that this measure in volved principles opposed to the policy of the law itself, and that it wou'd be impossible for them to give a satisfactory vote to that motion until they had decided the general question. They said that that was a question recently raised in that House, and that when the general principle was considered,.then would be the fitting and proper moment to express their conviction on this question. He had been further encouraged to bring forward the question in consequence of the manner in which the Noble Lord the Member for London had represented the worth on that side of the House, and stated that his conviction was that no mo ment could be so fitting or so appropriate to the discussion of this question as the present. He had further reason to be pleased at the part he had taken cm this subject, when he had had reason to believe that many Honourable Members opposite had declared that they agreed in opinion with the Honourable Member for Brecon, who had said that, whenever the time came when the people of this country should say this law was unsatisfactory to them, that was the time to abolish it altogether, for it would be impos sible to legislate upon it. Now, so firmly convinced was he (Mr. Villiers) that the time had now arrived when this law could no longer be deemed satisfactory to the people of this country, that he was prepared to move that it be alto gether abolished, for it never could be legislated upon. On these grounds, then, he would say, he hoped he would be excused, if he should be looked upon by some Honourable Members as having brought forward an extravagant measure, or of having introduced it at a peculiarly inconvenient time. He was encouraged in this course by the Right Hon. Gentleman the Secretary of State for the Home Department, who had expressed his approbation of the resolutions proposed by the Noble Lord near him, upon a late occasion, when he said he did not object to those resolutions upon any other ground than that there were too many of them proposed at one time. The principle involved in those resolutions was the same as that advocated by him, and, therefore, no real difference existed between them. The Hon. Member for Essex, who was one of the most malcontented Members of the House upon this subject, had said that one of the wisest mea sures that could have been introduced by the Go vernment, was that one which proposed the total abolition of the duty upon an article of general consumption— he meant the abolition of the duty upon the raw material of cotton, a measure which the Hon. Member entirely approved of. The Noble Lord was an advocate for moderate measures. He had acted from the desire of conciliating all parties, and framed his motion so as to make it agreeable to the protective inte rest, and equally satisfactory to the advocates of free trade. In that endeavour to 'reconcile differences of opinion, he (Mr. Villiers) thought that the Noble Lord had acted perfectly right. He was quite justified in making such an attempt, and that this was the general opinion of the House was shown in the spirit and manner in which his motion was received. He (:11r. 'Villiers) might observe that the Hon. Member for Gateshead (Mr. Hutt), who was apt on particular occa sions to elevate his head, and feel gratified that he was not a supporter of extravagant measures, that he did not take part with the repealo.rs, was now beginning to think that the measure proposed by him (31r. Villiers) was not too large, and that there was evidence before them of its being made successful. Considering •the manner in which tneasures tending towards the principle he sought to establish had been dealt with this session in that House, and considering the views which had been advanced in their support, he congratulated himself on the great improvement which had taken place in the treatment of those questions. He saw in this an indication of a sound and growing opinion in favour of just and liberal economical principles. From the manner all measures bearing upon the views he had so lone; maintained in that House had been reasoned, he augured fa vourably of the early success of the principle of the motion he was about to submit to their consideration. There were, he thought, this session three or four Hon. Mem bers who had previously always opposed any alteration in this law; one of whom said, he regretted that such a law had ever existed ; another that he was sorry it was necessary, and a third. Noble Lord declared that he was not afraid of repeal. His own impression was, that the leading members of the Government, the leading members of the ex-Government and the repeaters—if the measure were referred to a Select Committee—would be found to differ very little in opinion.—(Laughter, and cries of " Hear.") Ile be lieved that the report of such a Committee to the House, though it might not contain the same language, yet, in substance, would be much of the same nature as the motions he proposed to the House. It would declare the law wholly unsuited to present circum stances—that its promoters had not any laudable object in view —that it had been very injurious to the working classes of the community, and that the sooner it was abo lished the better. He believed that was the im pression in the House, and if there was such a thing as a mind of the House, such would have been the impression made upon it. But it was very well known that it was not the mind of the House, but the votes of the House, which deterniined legislation, and there was no dot;,bt but there would still be votes against the repeal of that law. Last night he learned that the Society for the Protection of Native Industry and Agriculture was still living ; he sent for their publications, and fo.ind them of the same na ture as ever. He believed the advocates of the ob jects which that Society had in view had even still a preponderating influence in both Houses of Parliament-- they were not quite satisfied that it would be unsafe and un wise to continue this law. With respect to the latter, it was oneof the objects of his annual motions and the movements of that useful body, the Anti-Corn-law League, to prove—he meant that the continuance of the present law was unsafe and unwise. There could he no question about the original institution of the law. It was to make land dear, and subsequent legis lation had been consistent with that object. The proprietors of the land were almost exclusively the legislators, snit thus it was accounted for. The preponderating iiifluence of the land commenced in ICBB, with the revolution, and in that year this sort of legislation commenced. It was at that time that the decision was come to which had occasioned this great change. In 1684, when that re spectable monarch had ascended the throne, of whom the Noble Lord the Member for Newark had spoken in terms of no great respect—within three months after that Kicg's accession, as if to >how the little occasion there was for any plea such as that which had been set up in later days—within three months after that accession, a motion had been put and conceded for imposing a duty on corn, in consequence of the war with France, and for the purpose of raising the sum for meeting the expenses of that war. And since that Committee had given their sanction to the measure, the purpose of the motion had been most consis tently pursued, only at that time, it was cloaked under the pretence of imposing a duty on exports. That was in 1688. Till the end of the last century the law had continued just the same in principle, and had effected this object in raising the value of land and raising the rents. But at that time the people of this country had not the same power in the State as they have now, and the land proprietors had ob tained a preponderance in the Legislature and could impose what duties they pleased. This mode of increas ing the value of land continued till the latter end of last century, that is, till between 1760 and 1790, when they had thought of a different plan, and had imposed a duty on goods coming from foreign parts ; for the country hail become an importing country, and this principle had continued till the present moment. The object was to increase the value of their own property by raising the price of their land, and raising their rents, and a very judicious way it certainly vns. The constitution had, it was true, coctinued the same, and one might despair of any alteration but that the position of men in this country with regard to it had changed. charged. The lower classes in this country, with respect to the Legislature, were stronger than they were, and he believed that no wrong would now long be made known in the country without being redressed; and this wrong would have been redressed, bad not the landlords in both Houses cajoled the country. He therefore was bound to admit that, up to a very recent period, that law had been maintained by the sanction of a very considerable portion of the public, and a very con siderable expression of public opinion might be pointed to as having given that law effect. It had been upheld by very in fluential parties in this country, who had not been persuaded that the law was of that character which its opponents had ascribed to it. Great delusions had been practised on two classes of the community in this countrv—upon the cultivators of the so:1, and the labourers upon it. Those delusions had, however,had passed away. The Hon. and Gallant Mem ber for Sussex had very successfully described the character and the intellect of the farmers of this country. He said that t hey were men of narrow and contracted views , with vision singularly limited —men chiefly occupied with the vegetables they were growing, or the cattle they were rearing, and men who were very apt to mea sure the affairs of the w orld by the markets they may attend. He had declared he could s not submit to he dictated to by persons whose view narrow and limited as the persons whom he had desert.sb w ed ere . If that that had been the proper descrip tion of a farmer, it certainly was not very amiable to deceive him, and he (Mr. Villiers) did not think that ten persons in this country could be produced at the liar of the House to say the contrary. The lion. Gentleman had been deluded by a word—he had been deceived to believe that what meant price was profit—( Hear, hear)—and high profit, on the capital employed. He being a man of very contracted sight was not able to discover that if the land was susceptible of high profits to those who took it, there would be many desirous to hire that land. He had been induced to cry out for the Act of Parliament that held out a high price in the expectation of procuring a greater profit, and derided those persons who had told him that that Bill would not produce the anticipated effect of a high profit. Several Hon. Members were at that moment sitting in the House, who held their seats simply on the ground that they had persuaded the farmer they were his friends, and the enemies of those who wished to diminish his profits. The principle of his (Mr. Villiers') observations was to enlighten the farmer on this subject, and to call his attention to those 1 who were really his friends, and to those who, cn the contrary, were his most persevering enemies. The lion. Member for Somersetshire had said he had become much better informed on the subject since the agitation of the Antl-Corn-law League had commenced. He was beginning to open his other eye.— (Laughter.) The farmer was now looking aghast when he was told he was being protected. He would ask the Hon ~ , r••• I ./ ~: ~~: ele_ :Wernher for Northamptonshire if he wo u l s ! exptiqn loo#. ahee farmer had come into this position? Peeermated - him - t/ define the farmer's relation to his lanlof6,"tet' t •-4. 7 how it was by paying a high p r i ce f or hi s lant he was to realise his tortoise. Now it was the farmers, who were to distinguish the distinct relations which existed bet wen them sod their landlords. He would beg to tell the Honour able Gentleman the Member for Northampton, that he (Mr. Villiers) thought thet he was precluded from assigning reasons for the present state of the farther, who was liable to high r ents and receive low prices for his produce ; he was threatened with dismissal if he was not satisfied, and asked to be grateful for being protected. The Hon. Member whom he spoke of was perfectly master or the case, and the development of the case was what he hoped for by this motion. There were two things which precluded him from alleging that he had caused the farmer's present position. One was, that it was not caused by any measure of the recent Government.; and the other was, that the landlords were in the same boat with the farmers. He did not think that he could say that it was owing to the recent measures of the present Government, because this was not the first attack that the farmer had had. He had been now fur nearly 33 years subject to them. It was a farmer that had given him (Mr. Villiers) that hint; be said that he told in 1836, when his position was quite as bad as now, that it was owing to the Whig Government being in power.— ( rsauehter. ) The farmer, who had spoken to him on the subject yester day, said that he was old enough to remember when lie %sae quite as badly off in 1822, suffering as much as in 1836, and much more than in 1835 ; the farmer did not understand that, becaose protection was much greater in 1822; and there was more protection in 1636 than in 1835. He could not under stand that problem. He wanted some explanation ;so that he would be extremely glad if he drew from some Hon. Gentle man belonging to the Protection Society what was the matter with it, and how it was that it was so often indispowd. He considered that the system was not favourable to the p e ople, because it did not afford them an alequate supply of load. lie thought that there was great distrust upon the subject among the agricultural interest. Meetings had taken place of the farmers and the Agricultural Protection Society, and the views taken at those meetings were exactly opposite. A' the farmers' meeting they looked to agricultural distress, while at the landlords' meeting they only looked to keeping up high rents. The Hon. Member then referred to the meeting that hail taken place of the Exeter Agricultural Protection Sonisqe. At this meeting, J. Hope, Esq.. abused the Canada Corn Bill, and moved a resolution, setting forth the peculiar and heavy burdenswhich pressed upon the land.—( Hear, and a laugh ).The same speaker spoke strongly of the necessity of the landlords and tenants acting firmly together, and more especially that the tenants should have full confidence in the landlords.—( Iro nical cheers). Another speaker, who had been one of a deputation of the Agricultural Protection Society to Sir Robert Peel, an extensive farmer, stated that he had never paid out more than during the last three years, and never received so little ; and that being the case, he thought if the Legislature did not come forward to their assistance under such circumstances, he did not know what circumstances could arise that would entitle them to considera tion. After a Mr. Chappel had spoken against the policy of Sir Bober.. Peel, the meeting wound up by a resolution to the effect that the resolutions adopted by the meeting should be forwarded to the county Members, as instructions as to how they should regulate their proceedings in Parliament. He would next refer to a farmers' meeting held in the same county, in which sentiments were expressed, showing that the tenant femers looked with a very suspicious eye upon the. Pro tection Societies, and had very little faith in what the Legislature had done for them. 'lt was their impression that the best way to insure protection was to protect them selves.—( Hear, hear.) Here the reporter remarked, that " the Noble Marquis present, who had for some time beets fidgety, had now become furious."—( Great laughter.) He would now call attention to another agricultural meeting that had been held in Derbyshire, at which a tenant farmer made a speech, in which he said, " Let the farmers depend upon themselves, and if they did so, they could not fail to pro duce an effect upon the landlords." The next meetipg of this description he would call attention to was one that had been been held in East Sussex, at which Mr. Derby presided ; but the reporter remarked that besides the chairman, the judges, and the reporter, there were but eleven persons present.— ( Laughter.) One of the speakers, Olson that occasion, observed that no one regretted more than he did the absence of the in fluential landlords or the respectable tenant farmers. The former might have absented themselves because of their differ ing in opinion with many who depended on them, on the sub ject of agricultural distress; and the latter might have re mained away rather than incur the displeasure of their land lords.—( Hear, hear.) He would not read any more of those extracts; but he would contend for it that he had read quite enough to show that there was something demanded by the landlords which the tenants did not wish to yield, or some thing required by the tenants which they were justified in de. mending, independent, altogether, of the Legislature.—( Hear, hear.) The inquiry sought for by his Hon. Friend the Member fur Stockport was refused. The Secretary at War told them that these motions were very mischievous, and that these matters had much better be kept quiet. He seemed to think that was a remedy for everything, and addressedhis friends upon that side of the House and his opponents upon this. He seemed to speak with the confidence superior judgment gives, or the confidence which ignorance sometimes creates. He said to his friends, " don't talk about distress—don't come here with your complaints, and your grievances, and you, Gentlemen opposite, don't tale—don't say you want more food, and every.. thing will be as it ought to be..." This was the sum of what the Secretary at War said upon tnat occasion. It was a very con venient way of reasoning, but more convenient than conclu sive. He did not think that was satisfactory to Hon. Gentler men opposite, and he was sure would not be to the House. Nothing would satisfy the people but an abundant supply of food, which would only take place at a reasonable price. The Hon. Gentlemen on the other side of the House continually talked about improvements. They said that the law must be left as it was, or they could not make any improvements. The Government said to them " Protection has never done you any good. What we have taken from volt we will not give back, and we are not sure but we will take: more from you." What say the farmers? The farmers say to the landlords just what the Hon. Gentleman opposite said to the Government; and what did the landlords say to the farmers? Why just precisely what the Government said to the Hon. Gentleman opposite. They had given the leases to them, had allowed the game to destroy the crops ; and then, when the farmers came and lodged their complaints, the landlords said, " Oh, you foolish people, only go home, rest quiet, don't trouble sour selves, and all will be well !" That was the state of agri culture at present, and that was the way in which the land lords provided for the protection of the tenants. The land lords did this from a necessity to obtain their political position. Everything had been sacrificed for the sake of this political influence; and it mattered but little what the tenants might suffer, they only obtained the cool assurance that all would be well; and it was thus that agriculture was left to take care of itself at this moment. They had refused them inquiry. They had relied on their privileges. They had claimed the right to manage their property as they would. Thin, had stated that improvement had been mails, and would be made. But when the landlords told them that the friends of the peo ple of this country hada right to inquire what charge there was of this improvement being carried out, the Central Agri cultural Protection Society seemed to give an assurance it would be made, but it was an assurance on which, he wash afraid, but little reliance was to be placed, and, in his opinion, offered obstacles to any chance of this improvement being made. He ( Mr. Villiers) wanted not to inquire into the privi leges of the landed gentry in this country ; he wisheu not to meddle with the way in which their property was - managed. They might neglect it—they might disregard it. They might make parks of it from one end of the allow countryt t o ha t t h g e a o n t i h e e , r ii They might preserve game all o v er it; a they would, to eat all the crops, instead of sending them to market. They might use it for political influenve. He (Mr. Villiers) could well understand how an ambitious man might. be desirous of obtaining po itical influence, and use his pro perty for thatpurpose. He could well understand how t wealthy man might be desirous of preserving the game on his estate. He could well believe that it was very desirable that a man through means of his property should, for the sake of his family, seek for a good position in the county in which he lived. He wished not to interfere with them on these points. They might waste their property if they pleased. They might buy, or sell, or settle their property to their heart's content—( Hear, hear) —but he could not help calling their attention to a subject. which he had brought under their notice last session. They might settle it on their eldest or their youngest son, whichever they thought best, but the system which prevailed in the settlement of property at present, was, in his opinion, bad and injurious to agriculture. There was a custom prevailing in this country, called the custom of primo geniture. Under this custom the owner of an estate was only a tenant for life, and it was impossible that a tenant for life could have the same interest in the land which the real owner was sure to feel. He would naturally desire to enjoy as much of the property as be could for himself.—( Hear, hear.) There was also, unfortunately, another custom in this country, that of having large families, and it was but natural that a man should be desirous of taking part of this property in order to provide for the younger children. This had grown to a great evil, and he believed that in the other House a Noble Duke, who was himself a great professed friend of agriculture, had moved for a Committee to inquire what amount it was right to charge land with out of the annual in come of the tenant for life, in order for its improvement. He believed that there was a Bill also for the same object in that House. Thus they had thetenant for life and the tenant at will, the two persons least able to improve the property, the only persons who were ostensibly engaged in promoting the im provement of agriculture. This was the system. But he did not find so much fault. They might do with their property as they pleased. They might do anything on earth with it ; make parks of it, eat it up with game, do anything they liked with it., but let them not deprive the honest, industrious, and hard working classes of the country of the only property which they pnssessed—the profit of their labour. The result of tha whole system was that there was not that abundance of food that had been described, and this was a fact so important, that it could not possibly be overcome. When he alluded to the delusion under which the community have been labouring as to the corn-laws he had intended to apply his observations to the la bouring population, but the delusioni h been improved when food was high - priced and thir e hscarce condition h was now had Secretary, completely exploded. After the- speech of the Right Ho nourable Gentleman the Home at had been delivered last year, it was impossible that the minds of the working-classes could any longer re main under a cloud on that subj ect. The opinion had very generally prevailed that wages were influenced by the price Of food, and that a higher reward for labour was obtained in consequence of the high price of food. He would call upon the gentlemen connected with the Protection Society to explain, if possible, how they could justify what could only be considered as something most extraordinarily untrue and deceptive. He alluded to that opinion because it had not been expressed care lessly by foolish men, but had been uttered with due delibera tion. There had been a great effort made by men of wealth, station, and influence, to interest the views of the working classes on this subject. He had lately perused the whole of the publications issued by the Protection Society. In them he badfound the assertion that if food was made cheap the wages of the people would be reduced. He really thought this was a strange charge to bring against the influential classes of the country. The corn-law was maintained by the majority of both Houses of Parliament, and it was supported by them because they thought the people did not care about its being repealed. In the pub lications put forth by the Protection Society, a charge had been made and reiterated against the manufacturing classes generally, that they had a sordid and mean object in view in seeking the repeal of that law, which was to lower the rate of wages for their w orkpeople.—( Loud cheers.) The Ilonourable Members for Devonshire and Lincoln shire both cheered that sentiment. They are going to stand forward and prove that all that has been stated is false alto gether—they will vindicate what they have done, and they would tell the House that crime had diminished, poverty was less, education was more generally diffused, and the poor were contented in consequence of food being cheap. He would listen to them with the greatest interest and attention to hear in what manner the Hon. Gentlemen wnuid substantiate all this. He could not understand how they would prove that when food was high wages were diminished . ....a e nd li i. o v n. on agricultural interest the contrary, food was cheap, wages rose. .Th Gen tlemen who professed to represent the . agrie were bound to give an explanation of this. The Right Hon. and congratulated to a period when bread was dear and scarce, Baronet at the head of her Majesty's Government had referred ascribe to the seasons, but. in improvement which he did not ._ himself on the improvement which had been effected—an a great he would call the attention of the Gentlemen who advocated measure to the course of legislation he pursued. Yet protection, many of whom, be admitted, were mu of great J Its, ooP ie °r/1 l Tref ; po i° 'riac th IP" P"‘Y )