The Sun. — London, England, 1814-11-11 00:00:00

FRENCII TAXATION. CI-WIBER OF DEPUTIES, Nor. 4. The discussion of the projet ot the law for tht taxation of liquors was resumed, when Monsieur Souques, in a long speech, entered into an exa mination of the principles which ought to influence the taxation of any articles of consumption,' and declared his hostility to every thing which caul& dliicouraged theculturcof einetAstillation ,&c. He lai4t...down as -a -rule, _thaw* .a.doptiorr,pf a tax , otight.to.4e regulated by the cost . ..attet . idiug its col lectidh. "1F this collection • be expensive, the tax is oppressive 'and litigious . , and ought to he re-. 3eCled. He-quoted-the example of The total amount of the indirect,taxes in that country, vt'as, be said, 80Q millions; and its population, at - the utmost,: ecfnal •to eine:half of that of Ftance ; i-iti zthat can' lartikreiSively contrive in a few' years to raiseth is par of• -your revenue to hall what it is in . England, thAtis_to say, to 400 tnil lions, we shall pay in' fact'no• more than one -fourth of what our neighbours pay. The collect. ton of these taxes usually costs them no more ; than:five per cent. M. Sovcaties'then adverted to the extraordinary increase which has taken place in the consump tion of every 'article in -,France, during the last twenty-five years ; and instanced -the light con sumed in the- streets of Paris, which in four win ternights now requires the same quantity of com bustible as served, half a century ago, for a whole year. This increased consumption he attributed :to vanity and venality, Which had lately taken 'extraordinary strides, and instead of being check ed, was encouraged by the late Governmeet.— He condemned the idea-of Making this Budget Law only : an annual one, to be in force till i-zt Jan. 816. Temporary measures and constant changes rliust always prevent things from coming to perfec tion. He adverted in terms.of particular compli ment to the example of Etfgland : " It is not thus that . in England, a country always to he quoted as an example in matters of credit, and in searching for the means of public prosperity— it is not thus, I say, that this prosperity has been there attained difference of time, and successive changes of men, have not made any alteration in their system. There is no pue rile desire to carry the theories of individuals into the direction of public affairs. All who come conform to that which exists; and thus tl u wis dom of the past is always strengthened by the ob tervatious acquired from the present. Our duty, therefore, is to adopt sonic system, and to remain . faithful to it." Towards the close of his speech, this Gentleman ptop.osed some objects of taxation, in "which, also,. he appeals to have followed the English model. Many objects of luxury, he thought, wete susceptible of being taxed. Among these he mentioned carriages,, not only those of luxury, but all other kinds, with a progressive • augmentation for the former ; horses, a moderate but progressive tax on those kept for luxury ar morial bearings; serrants, where more than two are kept ; mahogany, glass, gold and silver lace, liver,: both for hangings and writing ; lamp oil, but only that which has been refined, wax candles, porcelain, hats, boots, shoes. " Some of these things," observed M. Souques, " are taxed ie England ; but there are others that I have not mentioned which pay a tax in that country." M. RaYNOUAIin followed M. Souques, and made a very long speech. He spoke with particular ve hemence against the tax on drinkables, which the King's Minister himself had declared to be " an odious accumulation upon the droits reunis," the oppressive nurture of which, and their continuance, contrary to the pledg e s of the Bourbon Procla mations, have excited so much diesatisfaction throughout France. which they conceived to be of the greatest in,- pot tetnoe to the commerce of the country. Mr. liAtzinaloGe then addressed the meeting, and !stated, that if tire Treasury would haft but consented to prolong the time of paying—the duties' till the 31st of DeCeMber, arrangetneets might have been 'Tiede by-the merchants for that pitrpOse, 'without producing the ruinous I'll'ect's Which might follow from calling upon them after •so, short a notice. If they would have consented to postpone the time of exportation until the ist of June, instead of requiring it to be effected in the middle of winter, , thiS would 'also be a material relief. He then read a memorial, which he pro posed to be sent to the Lords of the Treasury on ,the subject.. Mr. 134 RIS.G apologised for his absence on the former occasion, by declaring that he conceived the arguments against the measure proposed by .Government to be so clear and decisive, that he really had not entertained the least doubt of their producing.their full effect. If the former meetings were not more numerously attended, he believed the reason was that the merchants conceived that the Treasury could not persevero in the measure that they bad threatened. He regretted much, that Lord Liverpool and the Chancellor of the Exchequer if 4.not condescended to state the rea sons ‘v hy these arguments appeared to them insuf ficient. He was gitite at a loss to guess,what their reasons were. As to a:certain clamour that had been raised about monopolists wishing to . eoliance the' price . of merchandise, he believed 'that 'exery body acqUainted with the principles of trade, .must know that the stocks whin wholesale dealers kept inttieir possession w were the best security for the public being regularly supplied at a reasonable rate. The perishable nature of the inerehandize was of itself se'ettrity against it being too long with held from the market. He thought that the Me morial . shotiltl be generally signed by the, Mer chaois ; and he did not think that it could be sup posed:that the merchants of London were not desirous that the revenue should be fairly collected for the support of the State. If the object of Minister, was only to prevent abuses in the Ware housing System, and making it more perfect, there was no doubt but that they would receive every assistance from the Merchants. Cot.t.vr.n, from Plymouth; preF,ened a let ter from the ChAMber of Commerce of that town, in support of the .sentimehts of the Merchants of London on that subject. A similar letter was received from Liverpool. Thanks were the►r'giveh to the Chairman, and the Meeting adjourned. ‘12111,!•.. AnnlvEn-1 Dnblin, 1 Wateifurd. IltrE-1 France, 1 Hol land, 1 Lisbon, I Mahn, 1 Hamborgli, 1 Guernsey and PI OE OF STCCKS 'THIS Iva l'W ELY E O'C LOCK. Bank Stock, 216 I Bank L. Ann. 16 116th :.$ per Cent. Red. 6:344 I India Bonds, 15s. 16s. pr. 3 pi-r Cent. Cons. 646,.3 ExCheq. Bills, Is. 51. pr. 4 per Cent. Cons. 79' (Minion), 4 311 dis. 5 per Cent. Navy Auu. 951 i Con Sols for November, 641 HIGH NVATER Al' LONDON BRIDGE To-MORROW. hforninK, 2 minutes after 1 Eve ning ,47 uniitutel. after 9. Ti SOLE:4 (AIMS DICEItE VALIUM AUDEAT.? LONDON, FRII)_4Y, NOVEMBER 11, 1314. WAREHOUSING ACT. • Yesterday another Meeting took place of the Merchants of ',Miami upon this subject. Sir C. Putc,E took ,the Chair. He . stated that it was with great sorrow that he had to inform the - Meeting, that conferences which their Com mittee had held with the Lords of the Treasury; had not been productive of the effect- that they hoped and expected. The Lords of the TreaSnry informed, them, that no sufficient grounds had been laid before them to induce them to change their opin;on. it he alone hat! waited on the Lords of the Treasury, -he should suppose that this disappointment prodeeded from hit want of ablity but the Report which would be read to them, would satisfy the Meeting that the Gentle men of the„Committee had urged all those argu ments that naturally presented . themselves on this impot,tant question. They had been received with rather a cold reserve ; and it seemed as if Mini sters did not consicler them as representing the Merchants at large, but rather as deputed by a small portion of Merchants interested in the ques tion. It would therefore be necessary, by the number and respectability of .signatures, to thew that,the Committee had really spoken the sense of the great body of the Merchants ,of the City of London. The Report of the Committee was then read.— It was of very considerable length, and stated not only what had taken place at the conferences be tween the C9mMittee and the Lords of the Trea sury, but contained a great variety of arguments to shew the necessity of preserving the warehous ing system as it had been established for many years. It stated the necessary accumulation of impurti for many years past, as a return for ma nufactures exported. If. all this accumulation were now forced to a premmure sale or to an imme diate exportation, the consequences might be ab solutely ruinous to the merchants. The timethat the Trt:!Asit y intended to allow for exportation was only to the 14th Of next month ,and it was Iva known that the inid‘iie Of winter was not the time that mer chants would naturally wish to f.2xport their goods, particularly to northern ports. It was considered by the COM tnittee 'tliat a sysem'which hail so long been . _ in force, and which had made this country the emporium of the trade_of Europe, ought not to be destroVed• on so short a notice as had been given. It was not about the payment of the du ties the merchants of London had to_contend, but the preservation of the Warehousing .Systens, We have just received Brussels Papers to the Gth, irom• which the following are the chief ar ticles of intelligence : OcT. 23.—0 n the return of the Mo narchs from Ofen they will visit the fortress of Conlon), traverse the Isle of Schutt, and arrive at Presburgh on the 28th. 'We do not know how Long they intend to remain at that City ; but there will be a splendid Fete, and afterwards a grand Hunt at Holets& on the frontiers of Hungary and Moravia. We are assured that the Prussian General de GAunt has been named Governor of Dresden. We are assured the 31inisters of the various powers interested have at length agreed to act upon the state quo with regard to Italy and Pop land. It is with reference to this basis that they will determine the cessions, indemnities, and new acquisitions. Extract of a Letter from Ghent, Nov. 3. " About the end of September another ves sel might be expected to • sail from America with Dispatches for the Ministers of that Country. then-receive ulterior, instructions , and details upon the spirit which ought to-prevail in the Congress. The Federal Party, it is said, i 3 most favourable to peace; the Party which is designated by the appellation of Democratic, wishes for war. The two Partici differ upon the point whether concessions ought to be made for the attainment of peace, or whether the most vigorous measures should be resorted to in order to repel ag gression Of which they are the .common vietims." VIENNA, UcT. 22.--It is stated in a positive manner, that the Low Countries united .will -form a State bearing the name of the Kingdom of Bel gium (Royaume de la VelgiqUe):. It is affirmed more.thlu ever that the re-establish ment of Poland as a •KingdOm., under the Grand Duke CONSTANTINE, meets with insurmountable' obstacles. Austria,which has always been hostile to - this project, has succeeded in convincing France and England that it menaced the equilibriuu -of Eu- . rope.—Nothing might prevent the Grand Duke uniting, at some future period, the Crowns of Russia and Polaiid. This rti.ouarchi of 150,000,000 of souis, might trusn AteArta aut: t -t ;r: its coliossal rwcr ; it might extend its—pteten sions and influenee over every people speaking dialects of the Scla , Yonian tougue—ripper Si lesia,Bohemia, tipperliongAry, Servia, antfeven Illyria might hereafter be joined, by the tie Of .a similar origin, to this vast Empire. It is infinitEly more probable, that the Duchy WarS/rw slio"uld form it Wale kingdom, under the te , pectable King of SAKONY, or under some other Ger man Prince. Austria and Prussia would thus be covered te a certain extent from Russia, and would, in turn, preserve the iudependence of this New Poland, es great as it w4s before the reign of BOLESLAS I. They bzgin to turn their eyes upon the Archduke CHARLES, as a person :most proper to wear this new Crown, mind in fa vour of tvhoniustria would, perhaps, make some sacrifices. Lord CASTLEREIGH and Prince TALLEYRAD have sent Couriers to their Courts for instructions on many.important points. These Couriers will set out on their return before the end of the Never was the Austrian force so great as at this moment : it amounts to 520,000 men of all anus. BEaLIN, Oc•r.2s.—Since the arrival of the last Courier from Vienna, the taking possession of the Countries ceded to us in.conse►luence of the 'Congress is no longer doubtful ;. already leave considerable military and civil arrangements been made, and w•e daily expect a declaration from our Court upon this subject." We have no time for further extracts from these important Papers This day. No further French Papers have come to hand since our last publication. We notice not, of course, some column or twain.oi Neapolitan news which appears in a Morning Paper : after the clear and undenied conviction of that Print for the publication of forged letters, which ap peared in THE Sox of yesterday, it would be worse than stolidity to employ a thought upon any fabricated trash - it may insert, either as from Naples, Rollie, or Jerusalem.. The decision of the Congress en the fate of Mu RAT is evidently under discussion, and what it may be it is as yet impossible- to ascertain. We . most sincerely hope that it will he consistent with decorum and justice, and, if so, we are certain that no vapuuring displays of his forces, either in reviews at Naples, or in Marching towards the Po, will retard the descent from royalty of a person whose seat updn a throne - is a disgrace to all the Monarchs i►r i:uroi►e; extept the Emperor cif Elba. In the Voyage to that Island, lately'pub lished, there are descriptions of some beautiful little Wets _near it, such , as Pi,itnosa, which is twelve' miles in circumference ;- Mount Cri•to, which is ten miles roundabout, and even Capraja, which extends twenty-two miles,—surely a revo lutionary postillion might be amply provided for in any of these, without injury to a rightful So vereign, who has never forfeited his claim to be ing protected in his property by every one of the Allied Powers... The Merchants interested in the Bonding Sys tem had yesterdny anotlrer Meeting, of which we have given a report. It will . be seen that they urged nothing new—that they stated neither fact nor argument which it could be supposed would have the effect of altering the just, politic:, and popular measure resolAed on by Ministers, ,and promulgated by the Treasury Minute of the 27th ult. In consquence of the decision of Government, most of the Articles, (of which the greatest quantity is under bond for Duties), have already experienced a very considerable reduction in price ; a clear proof, if any were wanted, that Mr. BAR ING assumed an erroneous principle when he af firmed it to be evident, that ".where the greatest quantity of goods are collected together the con sumers • would have them at the most reasonable prices." In contradiction to this, we say, that where large. quantities of goods are not only col lected together, j.)4t kept together, in consequence of facilities afforded to the sellers, whose indivi dual interests are promoted in the exact propor tion of the increase of price they can obtain, the consumers have them not at prices so reasonable as they ought fairly to fetch, and which it is at this moment proved they do fetch, when they must be brought to market, and the opportunity of re grating and monopolizing is taken away. There can be no doubt but that this measure will greatly contribute to the reduction of the price of many of the necessaries and comforts of life, .and as. such we think Ministers highly en titled to the gratitude of the Country for persever ing in it, though so strongly pressed by the very powerful and respectable body of Merchants, whose interests are in this instance opposed to the general interests of the community. • It k curious to observe, that the Opposition va s tobarked their patriotism ''' t he 4 b' C ' k i. these Merchants, merely, it wou ld I t scl.,an. .., e ' l o re 'nave e (1 o' •ste► , s they imagine that if Government des ! tiet nef io . embarrass the Finances. These (3e°44,0fi1! friendly to the people, so a nxiou s t° ve ,ll : t , r . fortunately, t then,l their ate e l a yi s : e : a nt n ily l e( l i i ri a s : c :: : : ‘ i c. n et e iro s e s :li s , 00t a .o l t : 1 1: 0 3 (: r : : : ::: b e ii e : lc r, , , : , ,e, ~ es: should 0 1 . ‘,.: l i :, i i i :, l y )e; a but ) d ouo i t a k i l: i , : te l i t l et t to i l b t: n as i n ei e : tt:::. : b a ry t e i ao o sti n ort s i v r, ° : l l, l , r i a t i l i v:;: ol ll , biessi - iimuld so strenuously o bject t ° e‘.cilet:ll.4l -tto si: l e:i ( e li s st o l i .cs r s e their resources e l! Y. pig l A i e l f • i '. l:i s( l it : e c si t .csr t ii l ut l . i e s y : ol s bus t oc h .ai c ii i il r : by e y. -' di it i i : s : i : t i t i ;o ; ' 1' ll° ' to y. impo3ts as burthens upon the In iblic t e t° ,4 endured ; and exclaim against r e q e 11 11 ,0 other Taxes, though t h e y niusc be lt C . : 4 ,54 e r , the country must be bankrupt :" .I) l,ei o r other burthens , from the People. , (tc r , u 1 have bread dear, for you nio' t r' ') Or , laudedt , erl , b ""' property ; let theta har e ‘ or"' J; inerchandize dear, for your ni° 4 ' ,II ffi e ,,i• Commercial Interests. Away %v itt ' t o l ' t . e love of the People : the People def er ;,, t c l V sidered in. every tEI a nd their w e e ltit er i , luxuries' 0 ,, mount to the enjoyment of ,letof l' 1 ; l L a o s a m c l . l il i r e - e zli il:u n a s e t r l( s i o () r f possible A c l o ; Let t! of 0 .„ V il r l have bread and every other a rticle ° I Cos l'il' AO ' IrsCbeisig: t 1 t s . enabled to meet all competitioo "` et' ,ii Lcipsic, or any other fair. W e .I.°ll il c6 undersell our rivals at rhe i ` °c e ll 111€ , 11e '' people a will heavy be cleft let 1 e a l i)d italleij) g illisec r e iO'atitol 0r 11:111 c, j)ille: r til i ll ' ite$11:ct7r: inand--and the picture which oar rse l lo t light to draw %rill b ily r eve . 1 f -- _e, e lit IL 50 ,0 4 ' 1 , r if every thing is to he alike burthetl o ,dt ° ,;‘ are indeed to have our War 'Faso c ° '',: • „ oe' i ,` . ., , i Corn Laws established, so that,Bregti c ee l 0 % ts P c cheep ; and our Warehousing i' c iro lit 4l ,l 7: l for ever, so that all merchandite 5 i i d li d exorbitant ar ist pi)ai:ii e, iik g laoi rate g — alToi t ,oi lie ll t y. i e alaisitf.lacy_laun,yat.olsl::::l. err , 1 0 1 s •; . ( ► , , slat' ~,,t` A r desire. j7g, __........55.-- --- be i - ~, This day his Royal liighnegs!(,),to:l.o4/Ai GENT leaves Carlton-lionse for E'f f et erc e 4 i) Late on'Wechiesday night a 3 1 ,,' 55 f r ie e r , " ~.e front thei;:ecretary of State's ' i l orli r patches- for ViSCUlla CASTLEOAG.:.Ig o f fre ll y l ba ' i i: t es o t t e . ti•ltilsayitsoeyv,eirlailloigfitllitiee,;dsnaleSti o ° l ti' lt / the ' g e cit i :bic# left town for Brkbroo : it i 5 eNP r i g a t e 4 el' Royal Highness will contiwte 8( • 4: 11 ' .0 1 three weeks. - im , 1 111 ) c a , , It is expected that her ,---1,3•11ri, now Princess CHARLOTTE of W A LE's is . '• 1 ,(1`i. ) ,) her !loyal Father at Brighrot t • , l ig' l to . 1 . Yesterday the Russian A m ba ss ` l ii ,,ae r ,, it,: l l / toss of LIEVEN, gave a grand t ,i , r oi , l and -Countess MERVEELDT, th e j- i ,,,;r 5 ,11 ) g ' sailor, and a large party of F•c re 0 : 1° .. 1 1. Lion, at their house in Witupoic-:, tte(t.e,,,Votr. • 'Die - Lisbon packet has br °l4l°. ll( l W) e" Y i per from Oporto to the I9E l ' , ° I) O .V , t e .to the 23d ult. Colonel TaAN't r . O bu ~,-, i ' ri ceded in the Government of _,,port`'' A g i t ' SO " 6 "sigi)ed for his retirenie'i)iisll.liie :ill. The Gazette de France lo g . 1) 1) ` e el) °P ,te , ` le and Promise, s tated to har e ' fo e I sr li t J r martyred Louis XVI• a sh °ll ,o A osl. rt ti ." • his execution, in whiClidels3:6oloC:lce:l/111 among other things, in case k le te ,'i dt a of tabilellerytlyeiglaaint:ielmplajoteeewneprat,lsit:di:ri t ss t o i yi n re i t n ii s e t ` D ' i cleft (l et; the it/ - of an incompetent ju risdiciyene,, l 4 15 ,4 1 ? By the proceedings of t l , !e ,„ faig" - 0 111 ; r, i l 1 Deputie3, it appear 6 that ta- t , e a la 1 ,.,,t 0 , taxation is about to-be intr°l'oo`l:;?eftl.,ir.,;.d WINDSOR, Nov. l 0.- - :" °fl ~i . aro ' et iirio. Highness the PRINCE lt°°.sonieeV,G.o°Jl;;', more, and left it for town tl' e f yoAt er r o lti9 Duke of KENT and Duch ess a9 rnittb " A ° o 4 ° IV at Froginore. Wednesday Ivo ‘, to 6 d ie p t Aliva ' Ati ,li Princesses ELIZABE'TH all" ; a ss Dr v 1 e id - to Lau gay ,if 1 e Yrol - hoPittr, , Lay !'ark. B, ;„ fo'e le - r ' i ,, j Gen. GwvNNE took an a'r"fora.s I V ,tr Great Park. The Duchess - so u' o ig this afternoon for Oatl3lllli' 6 .0 111 0 1 li KENT for Kensington. , r , O cc ,;(0 c iff r Yti The Jamaica Papers g ive r , the 0 1 Y ,e6 f death of Admiral littows, O s s i t 4 ' 10 4. 1 4 ,0_1 ternber, as mentioned in 1 - 14 1 ,„ , 1i0t t , a v l lll ri, He was buried with niiiitlerleoce(iitbietit! He was a zealous and exile es a f el l. e ft his dcath will be regarde“ e elt d -,, t h V 1 urinated a h t a e s a le h f i t s a e : l v rt ic i f i o ly w n i 9 0 1010 st 0 1 o il) I d ca reer s 13 1 ! ~ I I) i l : I l i .i, doe f p t i ft performing a deity whieu tics er 1, ol i o mory : he had promised tioccorel4ectilit(l44 fiver the first vacancy th 3t 5 att' l4 , li d # d i Phoce on the very day be w' , w inb', 0 is til , , fob° t i e d 0 ,0 r , / and finding, on Aloromti ~c esi cOP . b ell' Ai r i of his recovery remained, "0001144 d, c P,',l) and directed him to nolte.tis so , • ON and quickly as possible ; it It it ur 6 l , l l , ll f ls ifi l 1,4 ! ‘ ?; . 1 sensed to receive (OS s , i ti l ive n c lah rte •:; t 4 accomplish it, he foto': it he c% D oi! , f ( e l so alarming a degree, t' ' . ' rest , raY r ii ii i ,ritti ' 1 GOD ! Death seems t 0 r.. . Al° the ' ll e re jo?' : I formance of my promise • 1, by , . c h, , t o , i i made a second effort, 0110`0,e oslifroii;ll4 exertion, executed the Pill:eroitclYtritth re, - t pangs of death, he s ° F„ e ,, ( l, l i f . t erd 4 o' °I Il e : -There is, we tieders.- we ye '• 44‘f ti'' r e,dji t graph of a Morning' r"' r tbeilere4 f li tl r „,,h nea • 1 ii °oil the stoppage of a Co"" gdg• li g lii r ton, by two arnied foo . tP , 1 all f . fi e 4 1 , of real robberies coninuttL:si,Tiessti.ei, to create unnecessary Wiet,4 ic oo neigbbourbocid by alfoPo 1 R,,, , t4t 0' 04) ( I 0 qn• t4 l ''e I ttl