The Sun. — London, England, 1845-07-16 00:00:00

.... imati ftemer v i9." o 9 oll " l " 11 7EL Lc "I' 10 . ~tteo-seam , , u nes JuLY I4.—The nomination took place this day. Tow„ h ° ° welt both candidates and their friends attended at the ~town-hall, vi;oalir.Where the preliminary arrangements were inaue before c r !'h , P the Mayor, and the usual oaths taken pro_aPttam Puectiss Proposed Fitzroy Kelly, Esq., as a fit and JPreraris.eorttioNrreEsprgese,nt the borough in Parliament. endLearnled2 sec, neli-el the nomination. . proposed Mr. Alexander Shafto the His Hon Opponent inquired what were . 'a rn ir e . rits of Mr. Attillor..ar.id What connexion had be with Cambridge ? What Cambridge, " bold like to know, had Mr. Kelly with .et shire th at a barrister attending the assizes ? And he woe. his h on. ; 1 1. 4 . t that gave him so muchgconnexion with the town as the I llfive rsit l y en d (Mr. Adair) possessed, being a member J l / 1 44, 4 tr " a ""lus Esq., seconded the nomination. f ended then addressed the crowd, and in a long speech do lt": the sr -.aYnooth grant and the present corn-laws. do vet) dlitaattl also defended the Maynooth grant,. but spoke in a As b e i erSut Manner respecting the obnoxious impost on corn... strum:. a l arge landed proprietor, the following remarks are - Petted: B ury is th e centre of a district which he deeply re hod. "as one of the most dissatisfied, if not disaffected, in Eng- Wh en t l i t Was the district of the rick-burners.—(Hear, something kgeri ous e i 'watch was applied to the rick and the stack, soin un.ere new ho Y ~going wrong with agriculture The tenant met:, where the evil pressed upon them—the great evil ofth e ;114intY Produced by the present system. A Tory Member 'sheen knee of Commons had the audacity to say that: the %sem. nothing about the question of the corn-laws, fin e h the Hon. Gentleman politely inferred that theown iliwibesc......hadnot common sense enough to understand their the ir b • (Name) General Wyndham. They well understood vex4tioUt:rneu--they knew full well, and to their cost, all about the s.(inestion of the corn-laws. They cried out, Give us etd-steilB.!hon! Give us repeal! Give us anything ; but put an kid „,._thels dreadful uncertainty under which w , e , are suffering, beae) 1 4 Zre ircutastances are hourly growing worse. —(H . ear, . th ere , t he class of tenant-farmers well—had resided among el Pres s - i ad b een on intimate terms with them—heard them e,,,, ect heir opinions, and he sympathised with them. He was andland h em p ed ith the land. The land was his support. By the ..ott stand or fall. The agricultural interest must there. b 1 4 4 % 0 ever be his interest. Feeling thus, he could not be ealst ed .1 '1) 4 ?f any measur or course of picy whch was ea e . hha injure it , His Hon. and Learnedol Friend i had accused Anti. C orn-law and free-trade connexion. A s far as attiq "oUr ahle to Mr. Villers's motion might be c o nsi dered as . the z l t tchvards free-trade, he did not wish to deny it, but that was I , 4 tlg e si e k, his principles in this respect. He wished for in.. wish,"."-he wished for a change in the present system—he .C ol 'ur a final settlement.—(Cheers.) t t to bee of hands was then taken by the Mayor, who declared IA favour of Mr. Adair. Poll wasli, demanded on behalf of the Solicitor-General, which -•,e place t o-morrow (this day.) The D . (FRost A connE o sPNDENT.) at tho,-°ll'og commenced y es t er d a y a t th e usua l h our, th e r,..704 1- hall, and t h e utmost anxiety was exhibited on tilti en 't of the friends of both the Ministerial and o . ppos golieireandi d ates—M r. Fi tzroy Kelly, the newly epponitsa 1)14 % 44 :Gener a l, and Mr. Alexander Shafto Adair —to p oll :. their R s , respective candidates at the head of the Of b e h—erY exertion was made by the committees App t t s - ",, gentienien to attain that end by bringing Withc-3 from all parts as early as possible, but not &lit:" ; li ng the exertions made on the part of the coat. ill i 4 4" e 'Air ' Belly, they coed not place him in a large . Jorit, it Y; and although he was, at eleven o'clock, in a ma hers' :: 0 : - ., h ,.1. 1 .5 Opponent is confident of success. The num we ,re, at eleven o'clock— Fitzroy Kelly For Mr. Alexander Shafto Adair.. 275 At N. Majority for Mr. Kelly —3O At th ° '''eloek Mr. Adair was 5 a-head. And s r ? e .'„ t he Intraliers were even 600. at close, Mr. Kelly had a majority of 22. SPCI RTIN (.3r iNT ELL, GEN CE. tierk . GLIILDFoRD RACES. ••••.YESTERDA Y. Iht.i ' l l l; eit Y t s Plate of 100 gulneas for 3 yr-o:ds 7st 51b,_4 y a r ts s I f tsro te i i 4 3 yrs Ost 111 b, 6 yrs and aged lOst 21b. He r, ssi . kis ..ernin s i es Patchwork, 6 yrs I. 4 LP. tills4yt'suArtful Dodger, 6 yrs MI O ',' l 3' Mary Ann, 3 yrs , rilt.teYs Paradise, 4 yrs Is T E , ' Won s 3/4,4ILIENCE EXTRA.-TEWKESBURY, 1845. -Ysi -sceeptances fur the Gloucestershire Stakes. 4 toes P. J tl) , 7 '.' yrs, Bst 616—Una, ag , - d, i'st—Be,t of Three, ° lt 4115.... it 121b--Susarinh, 4 yrs, Ost 101b—Bask gelding, 4 yrs, kid Columbus. 3 sis, 6st. . 5 .,. . NEWPORT (SALOP. ) hats ,„,....mcceptances for the Newport b Stakes. s. (m istss''' "S, 6 yrs, Bst 21b—Aurungze e, 5 yrs, Set 2 0 1h — I n s tilse;fee 5 YrS, 7st 10 Ib—T'Auld Squire, 4 yrs, 7st 1 lb-- 6? hat e 4 yrs 7st 51 b—Eveline, 4 yrs, 7st—eh g by Dick, 05t..... b ,. A p 5 ,,.,,0y Advan e, out of Tippoo's dam, 3 yrs, 6st. M --I.LT SECOND OCTOBER MEETING, 1845. Lord tas p WEDNESDAY. k . . Xet er's Celia agst Duke of Bedford's Es ar st half of Ab. M., 200, 50 ft. poir, Bat 71b FRIDAY. oraeorla.dPes,eBPast c by Slane, out of C o b we b, agst Sir J. Hawley's 71b each, T. Y.C., 150, h ft 0,-• GOODW, ,OD, 1845. v4"4lnations for the Chesterfield Cup :—Garry m Owen, y aged Itsi 14541 Pllcebes, 3 yss—asiss Eli , '. 3 Yrs— yet!. of the Whistle, aged —Lady Wildair,. 3 yrs--- Bay Middleton, ' N l a ' udeville, ost ef iv?&ebsc, 5 yrs—Wee Per, 5 yrs—be b 011 e, 4 iss p, yrs—Needful, 4 yrs--- 4 Aja y x, aged—Ninety- 6lrs.„,Yra--Bemiseria 5 yrs—itoisena. yrs —Queen Alab i i i n . ettle. 3 1 yrs—Cobweb colt, 3 yrs—Lothario, 5 yrs— b .1, o est 4 ' 44 5 yrs—Psalrnsinger, 3 yrs—Remnant,_aged—T e 4 0 :::6 4 : 1 : 1 8-- 1 : 5 rcanu s , 6 yrs—Ould Ireland, 3 yrs— The Altered Itecks,Zr--Secundus, 4 yrs—Remorse, 3 yrs—My Old Hack, yrs—Lightning, 4 yrs—the Best of Three, q 3 The Queen of the Gipsies, 5 yrs Maid of Orleans, rrs---Skeleton, 4 yrs—Richard Cricket, 3 yrs —Alamode, Ced,--13eaumont, 4 yrs—/E l gis, 3 y rs— Moustache, 4 yrs— I ton, 5 yrs. EPSOM, 1847. The Derby closed with 193 subscribers and the Oaks with 152. DONCASTER. IraTrlteb Handicap w i t h 59. Cleveland Stakes closed with 21 ent r i es, an d t h e G reat Acceptance°3lOli thAeUGGreljaSt T Eb ll o l r E ll E a T . l d N ie G ap ,_lB . 4 . s. p .y, P e 5 yrs, lit 131 b— vibe Shadow, aged, Bst 81b— Trueboy, 5 yrs, Bst 81b g_hning, 4 yrs, 7st 121b—Yardley, 5 yrs, 7st 31b—Ever -ss.,°__rs, 7st 21b—Rowena, 4 yrs, 7st 21h—My Old Hack, tt e ..... ° 7 llb—Glossv, 5 yrs, 7st 11b—Jamie Forest,_a o g , e m d . , 5e Quebec, 5 yrs, ist—A-la-mode, 4 yrs, 6st 121 b—s-y s -y A I _ . stre s „ 4 Yrs, 6st 121b—Cataract, 5 yr-, Est I 11b— ir b t lia tt atbn : rian s d, Y 4 rs y , 6st 91b—Poor Soldier, 5 yrs, Est 91b—Miss h s_ . 43 , 5 yrs, 6st 81b—Dr. Husband, 4 yrs, 6.4 71b—NoH. - rs, Est 41 b—Coheiress, 4 yrs, sst 101b--Little li ris s r 4 li 4 yrs, sst 101b —April Noddy. 4 yrs. sst 71 p .b.a a yrs '" n4 tY, 3 yrs, sst 5 1b—Plaudit, 3 yrs, 5.t 51b— yt la, Istt iit,'t 51b —Lady Sarah, 4 yrs. sst 51b—Cabin Boy, 3 yrs, b 411s.s.p—Little John, 3 yrs, bat 41b—Cock Rubin, 4 yrs, 31 i b t s.4l 's s s ahilsin ger, 3 yrs Sat 31b—Marrowmat, 3 yrs. sst il ei ' s v ,s l4 . ! aot. 4 yrs, a _ wilt, 3 ss; 31h—The Whistler, 4 yrs, sst 21b— a Yrs, 5 5 ,...... v yrs, s st—Jenny Wren, 3 yrs, sst—Wynyards, Y r s, 4 king England. 3 yrs, 4st 101b—Duke of Kent, es t of t!t 101 b — Prescription, 3 yrs, 4st 71b—b fby Physician, Rstr Igrnans dam, 3 yrs, 4st 41b—Maria, 3 yrs, 4st 41b &Isganza, 3 yrs, 4st 41b. . r . LATEST BETTING AT MANCHESTER. , Lrp, TUESDAY AFTERNOON, Two o'Ccocx. koths`4ool. CUP.-5 to 2 agst Winesour ( t)-6 to 1 agst 16 11 0 (t‘ , tO 2 \ I"'.`6 to 1 agst Milton-8 to I agst Trueboy 0) ' to 1 .agst Rowena (t)-20 to 1 ogst Little Hamptan (t ) t&sstsr„Ot Dawson's lot (offers to take). Lightning sad Iron tzit-et expected to run. NO Stolt"°01. ST. LEGER. o to 1 agst Pantasa (t).-2 to i l . 'itos, 41° ' (t)-4 to 1 agst Ould Ireland-4 to 1 agst T Ihtss (Fssost OUR CORRESPONDENT.) Of 1 !In n , kit a raet July meeting, although a little superior to that its year , ..., *,_iirr,,,,, hen only five races were run during the three . Y i , s m th„ ""edlY dull one The only remarkable feature in t stessoi 'otroduction of th , e telegraph, which was much needed to 0 14 t aok tb t o e u.oweary. being "picked up" by those who had the h e - :, v _aer 1b .,.. , as ertain what horses really would start. In the tr ' ' r aPeli:`, l o b ga I have no doubt that the . printer of the lists will . 4 .4 e illph :7 s ' Prefix numerals to the nominations — as ation as it was the . 4 list "4,..!lseless to the betting man unless n he had both a card L t bej uo , -tile an nouncement that Lord George Bentinck would :e 4ti hrei.2 ° ' s teward of the Jockey Club,inthe room of Lord ys:_all 0, , Whose three years had expired, gave great satisfaction pecibeoZeosf fiastpeorytz. Woe be now to those individuals who alt sosge so industrious in making favourites safe. steady hay is armed with treble power, and I think the public ;Entill make e a *efficient acquaintance with him not to . doubt that . 1,„ d lit; h t!ae of it to ts fellest extent when required. His a..' t : Which ._" " or course to examine into the history of the Idas on purpose to give him I:: eri ppe, tun i i e t e_ % o a f to have been d I sco7 l e t r p i ed es for the office which has the we"ferre,74 OPo si r hitiing his now capabilities ' glance at the results cf Th e ee ,, , k ' TTeltb,est—stei etwolnnerrootaPentewd.aws r u e s t u th al est with the T. Y. C. Handicap, which hat could scarcely beat a donkey. J uly i l l n u s / t y:E: ti e s i ti t il n e Jo laid 3 to 1 against the winner, who f m t a h y e b d e a s y al the th e f takes, for g Way. Then followed the d ra t c a race of oonbeam, ... which nine were saddled an bee_ ue r!re. t o st o T attersali's the day before, was beaten very early r toN. a kis s. :oh indeed that her party insist that she must have l ''' kelp. h . m uggier Bill, for whom I had a slight pred . diction 41 ' I .. n . i , " .4 backed b • reputed good judges, ran . very respect. shill w thi ;: s I rn tk ) credit to myself as being the . on y ths,e.Pehtlie.r"•e,e...teh.ta:lreaceemsmnemneded the winner to the attention of sZa,giller ss4';oldcronvinced she . was the only opponent that the earl. She is a remarkable fine mare, and re *7loiites her sir e i n ts m r eves f i r .. , every respect, even in her temper. The pace ra.e nor the race in difficulty t., ('‘a gh the match',eu, rock Of horses. after Nat got his mare h'e-abaY.---Nothin could be a more hollow affair than the her' w , ~een Science g d Bl nchie • the latter, with 7 to 4 on nia 1. 0 a ,, -- • _ ea ten by four a l n lengths. The sweepstakes that followed I leck "°Y Colonel P eel's en S g eali s a . le filly, beating three others tar 4.1" the aid of N a v e fi ne ridi ng , The winner was claimed 1,44p.t0v5., and will, I should think, pay her way. . heoer lost his match with Hartshorn entirely by his temper The out at last, and was beaten a length. Ithedeaitesbtreserutlityoff the 50 Sovs. Plate was a startler to nearly every_ t hat saw the race. lonian, said to be better than the . winner 1844, with 3 to 1 on him, was beaten with the 't ate th at ea " by Metal and Keppel, animals of a very different class k ota e . " COI. Peer s horse. Nat, however, in order to make sa te ame nds to those gentlemen who ' had so freely backed his fa the:4 s e ; Wen for them the Town Plate, beating five others, amongst On T a h rb _P. a mare much fancied for the Oaks. 4t W'r.v ~ , '"daY Lord Exeter surprised the fielders by winnin l g h th ti e tipeted:•W,i Sweepstakes withTunick, and Lord Chesterfleld,tahse Ches.a. tet feld st with his Freelance made sad havoc of the field in lh a L' ". able it. iverp ee i Meeting commences on Wednesday, under the ewardsh' Oa m, IP of Mr. Mostyn, Lord Sefton, and Lord March. : 14 1 wi ll e L lb eadaY there are five races down it, the list, four of them 'lke e t ,-_ tun, as the Black Prince will walk over for the Pro. Th e ,'`‘• toettin ,rorteth Stakes will be, as usual, the trial race of the ttl iter,2 l a nd afford the public a peep at the schoolmasters of the k ‘t ' , tabl e tha4venot be s. The etries tor it, as well as the Maiden Plate, e en made public. n Sefton Stakes has eight subscribers, and the only animal 4 Es tr n q ° Piion has the slightest chance with Lord George's lot Is s is al sSanza. Ptin es :!° Mersey Stakes there are 22 subscribers, and in spite of es talk; ices defeat at Ascot nothing that has as yet been out, si) e .„°, "lo Private, can, in my opinion, beat her. N s? bsnursday the Foal Stakes will be reduced to amatch between tip 'l. ,, / 54(1 Chettsey and won by the latter. I now come to the Wet , P° O which there has been some spirited betting. There s s 41 ° .31 horses named for this race, but only 23 have been left in, N4% 4 2 of the horses that were nominated for it on the Ist of isl 47 are either out of training, or else have been running so `eh, . bt lY al to have destroyed any chance they might have had of n ' b e I ohth • am convinced that if the horses were named three h osei !I later in the year it would materially benefit the race. As . bel e 'ln a has out of his lot only left Winesour in, and the public k i .ii very f if, • toed of backing his judgment, Winesour has become 14, sleurite, with every probability of remaining so to the last. 444`Lthe week before last he had run no less than fourteen races, -.. ` 11 Oeaten in Ave of them. ills best performatnn was °LON' S° ig inun tll° until the,he besett .re/61;04 0 1 Gur en). - e triss/Alw I 1610 .- den tbe' - b oi rs ba ve s o o ,. Gofer- r , tb 0 ssion i er s sg' l l 6 o ll. our e s ool d 011 10 t r re e p. -01 l p i 9 n ot A ;FT C Twit at Newcastie, for the Cup, where he beat Marian Ram,: y and • Paiian, but then it shouid be b•irne in mind that Marian Ramsay had been running all over the country, and consequently wa: very stale ; and that Pagan is so uncertain a horse that no line can be got hy him. According to the account in the paper, W►nesour only won by halt a length ; now, I thiiik if he if good enough to win such a race as this, he ought to have disposed of his two op ponents much easier. The stable, lam told, mean winning with him, and it is rumoured that Mr. Bed has told Heseltine that he • should remove his horses from him unless he won the LlverpoL.l Cup. This may be consolatory to his backers, who are numerous ! and fond, but I am not one of them, and do not expect to see him follow up his success at Newcastle. Had not Corrsnna been run ning so at Worcester, I should have thought his chance (with Sat 61b) by no means to be despised ; as it is, 1 am afraid he has had too much taken out of him to have a prospect of getting in front here. Mr. Mostyn's Milton, 4 yrs, 6st 121 b, upon the strength of his running at Chester for the Cup, where, with fist 81b, he ran third to Intrepid, fist 61b, has been strongly and deservedly supported. He Is a fine, wiry colt, with a good turn of speed, is very nicely weighted, and will be very near winning. In fact, I see nothing that should beat him unless it is Lothario. This horse, it will be recollected, by the assistance of Nat's riding, and with Bst 11b, beat Inheritress and a large field for the Ascot Stakes. In heritress subsequently won the Northumberland Plate with little diff►culty, thus enhancing the importance of Lothario's victory. This horse only came into the market on Sunday, when 12 to 1 was taken with avidity about him ; he is now at 8 to I, and will at starting be a still better favourite. His party are very sanguine of winning with him, and if jockeyship can do it, why I think we shall seem him chronicled as the winner of the Liverpool Cup of 1545. Trueboy, Sat 21b, is well in, but is too uncertain a horse ever to back; there are few horses of the same class as Trueboy finish so badly as he does: if his temper is not disturbed he will run very forward. Mickey Free must have vastly improved to be able to win with 7st 12Ib on his back. The Best of Three's shoulder being put out, has put his chance for this race out also. However, as his owner has God frey, Lightning and Trueboy to run for him, he cannot very much cry out against Dame Fortune. It is a somewhat singular fact that when Dawson wins this race, as he has done this last two years, like Mr. Forth, when he wins the Derby, he always does it with a►► outs►der. In 1843 Pompey was all the rage, and yet Aristotle, with 10 to 1 against him, beat him easily. In 1844 Aristotle was the favourite at 3 to 1, and yet he suc cumbed to the Era, about which horse 6to 1 went begging. This year, perhaps, the same result may follow, and Rowena or Light ning be found superior to the present favourite of the stable, True boy. Godfrey's running at Worcester was very creditable to him, but I think has destroyed his chance of this race. He has been running a great deal lately, and Ido not like a stale horse for a great race like the Liverpool Cup. Rowena is much fancied in some quarters, and many have taken long odds about her winning this and the Goodwood Stakes. I consider her about as likely to win the former as the latter race. Last year she won the Cleveland Handicap at Doncaster, with sst 81b on her, beating by a neck Semiseria, Bst 61b, the Pride of Kildare, Est 21b, and the Knight of the Whistle, 9st. This is the only race she has ever won, and as the distance was only a mile, I do not consider I should be doing right in recommending my readers to back her. A good deal of money has been got out of the Iron master by parties who were fortunate enough to get the " office" about him, and I have no doubt his withdrawal will give great dis. satisfaction. He is reserved for Goodwood, where his chance for the Cup is by no means a bad one. Everton and Brunel Ido not like. The Dog Billy is only a plater. Warp, in spite of his recent victories in Ireland, I will not have, because Irish horses never run well immediately on their crossing the Channel—Harkaway to wit. The remarks I applied to Godfrey will serve also for Little Hampton. Nereus, 1 hear, will not go. Extravaganza, from pedigree, I should imagine could not stay the distance. None but an April Noddy, I should think, would back the horse of that name ; and Ambition's, Duke of Kent's, and the Albemarle filly's chance, I should pro nounce hopeless. After a careful consideration of the merits of all the horses en eaged in this 'peat rave, I fix my faith either on Lothario or Milton, with a slight preference for the former. To the Derby Handicap there are 52 subscribers, and as nothing is got by not running, we are sure to have a large field for it. It would be absurd, without the slightest know,edge of what will run, to pick out the winner; but presuming Semiseria, Sweetmeat, The Pride of Kildare, Sir Ab4trupus, and Best Bower logo. I should think they would compose the front rank at the finish, and that out of that small lot I anticipate for once seeing Semiseria first. The Frce Handicap will afford a nice race between Sir Abstrupus and Beaumont; and if the former does nut go for the Derby Han. dic.ap, I think he can just win—at all events, it is sure to be a good race between the two. On Friday we have the Liverpool St. Leger, which will be de prived of a great deal of its interest by the withdrawal of Mentor. I never had an idea that this horse would start here, as encugh of his capabilities has been disclosed at Newcastle. Certain it is, his defeat would materially alter the St. Leger betting, and his not running will have the effect of keeping him firm in the market. For this race I expect to see at the post Miss Elie, Pantasa, Ly curgus, or Vaudeville, Fitzallen, Ould Ireland, and The Baron. At Tattersall's yesterday they took as little as 6 to I about Pan. tasa, whose chance, judging from his position in the Derby, I should think was a first.rate one. And I fancy myself he will be found the winner. But for the objection I have previously made against Irish horses running on their arrival in England, I should have thought Ould Ireland a dangerous animal to be against. The Baron, at the last Curragh meeting, won the second class of the Madrid from Highwayman, a colt that has a good deal of running about him, but I fancy he will find the di►tance too far for him on this occasion. The Grosvenor Stakes has fourteen subscribers, and I have no hesitation in awarding them to Sweetmeat, with the pleasant weight of 7st lib on her. The Cure and Fitzallen will no doubt run forward, but can never catch Mr. Hill's mare. The Stanley and the Bentinck Testimonial Stakes I say nothing about, not having the entries for the former or the weights for the latter by me. At the Corner yesterday there was some spirited Derby betting, and the "Squire" created no little sensation by taking 15.000 to 2.25 about his colt King Charles, for the Derby, and consoled him self by saying that if he did .ot win he could always get 3001. for him as a hunter. That the " Merry Monarch " may not be so de- 11 1.11 PAR,LIAiIdEIi- T. HOUSE OF i,DRDS. Jirl f , 15.- Their Lordships apt shortly after Five o'clock. The High Constahles 11.11 passed through Committee, and was ordered to btu read a tturd time on Thursday. • . . The Constables Works (Ireland) Bill also' went through Committee, and was ordered to be red a third time on Thursday. LANDLORD AND. TENANTS BILL. Lord AIONTEAGLE wished to ask what were the inten tions of the Government in respect to the Landlord and Tenants (Ireland) Bill, now before a Select Committee of their Lord ships' House ? Lord STANLEY replied that, in pursuance of a recom mendation which would be made by . the Select Committee, it was the intention of Government to introduce several amend ments into the Bill, and he hoped to lay the Bill so amended on the table of the House, but, he did not intend to press it through its stages in the present session. PRIVILEGE. Lord BROUGHAM presented a petition from Mr. Harlow, a tobacconist, of Leicester-square, complaining that he was not aware in bringing the action against Mr. Baker, for words spoken before a Committee of their Lordships' House that he was committing a breach of privilege, and therefore he humbly expressed his extreme regret in having committed the breach, and humbly prayed that their Lordships would be pleased to pardon the offence and order his discharge. No greater con trition could be expressed by any persan. He did not know what the privileges of the House were, and, being ignorant of them as well as themselves, he fell into the offence of breaking the unknown law. He had taken the proper course by express• ing contrition, by discontinuing the action, and he had, there fore, to move that he be discharged, on payment of the fees. The LORD CHANCELLOR was not aware that his Noble anti Learned Friend was acting as counsel f,r the person whose petition he had presented. lie was in favour of granting the prayer of the petition. Lord CAMPBELL took the same view of the subject as the Noble and Learned Lord. It would be hard to make the peti tioner responsible for the sarcasms of his Noble and Learned Frier d. The LORD CHANCELLOR then put the motion, and it having been carried, John Harlow was called to the bar. The Noble and Learned Lord then said—You have been guilty of a breach of the acknowledged privileges of this House in bringing an action against Thomas Baker, for words which were spoken by him in the course of giving evidence before one of the Com mitties of this House. For that offence you have been com mitted to custody. You have presented a petition in whi, h you have expressed contrition, and have given orders to discontinue the action. Their Lordships are disposed to deal leniently with you, and it is therefore ordered that you be discharged out of custody upon paying the fees. The prisoner was then discharged. Lord BROUGHAM said, a junior Law Lord and a junior Peer having, like a young recruit, reproved him for his sar casms, he would take care not to fall into the same error now. The Noble and Learned Lord then read a petition to the same effect from Peter Tate Harbin, and concluded by a similar motion, which was carried, and the prisoner was called in and discharged after a similar admonition. Lord CAMPBELL gave notice that, early in the ensuing session, he should bring in a Bill to facilitate the stopping of actions arising out of the privileges of the House. W LOTTERIEBILL. _ . On the motion of Lord STANLEY, this Bill passed through Committee. NEW HOUSES OF PARLIAMENT. Lord BROUGHAM said, on Tuesday next, he should move an address to her Majesty, with respect to getting into the new Houses of Parliament next session. SPANISH TREATIES. The Earl of CL A R l- . NDON said that in asking their Lordships to concur in the resolution which he had the honour to propose it was necessary for him to assure their Lordships, and more particularly the Secretary of State fur Foreign Affairs, that he was not interested by any party motive. He thought that his Noble Friend himself would do him the justice to be lieve that no consideration whatever, and no expec tation of any political adva;:tage, however well founded, would induce him to treat this question with a spirit of partiality. Whatever may bs their political differences, they were equally concerned in advancing the inte rests and upholding the dignity, and maintaining the honour of their country. He need not remind their Lordships that by a treaty the honour of a country was deliberately pledged. They need not be reminded that treaties were the only means by which they could effect their great international objects. The Spanish Minister claimed that the sugars of Cuba and Porto Rico should be put on the sane footing as the productions of the United States. In one portion of his Noble Friend's reply to the Duke of Sotomayor, he had the good fortune to concur. He thought that his Noble Friend was justified in saying, that the course which her Majesty's Government pur sued with reference to the United States, showed that there was no desire to limit the operation of their commercial en gagements, or to invade the treaty. He regretted, neverthe less, that the rejection of Spanish sugar should be founded upon arguments so weak. The Noble Lord (Lord Clarendon) then read the treaty of 1670, which stated that the produce of Spain should be treated in the same way as that of any other nation in favour with this country. No treaty being made since, it was perfectly plain, that treaty remained unchanged. During the whole of the last century we carried on this inter national trade, notwithstanding our own navigation laws were de jure existing. We had consuls and vice-consuls at Cuba and Porto Rico. We had exports from there of upwards of 9,000,000 of dollars, which was double the exports from the United t-tates. From 400 to 500 British ships were now en gaged in this trade. For upwards of five years eleven thousand tons of British shipping had been occupied in it, and that amount had been subsequently increased. During the last twenty-two sears it had been perfectly lawful for British and Spanish subjects in Spanish ships to transport the proceeds of that country. With respect to copper, we imposed no restric tion or differential duties, because we wanted it, although the procuring of it was attended with ten times more destruction to the slave than the obtaining of any other article of produce, and yet we refused to admit slave-grown sugar from that quarter. It was inadmissible for the purpose of trade, for the prr,duce of Germany and France were purchased with it. It was, however, useless, as it had been stated, for the purposes of home consumption, The treaty was now reckoned upon in order to prevent her Majesty's subjects from taking the sugar. A portion of the treaty was 170 years old, to argue under which that the general products of the country were admissible while particular products were retused, was a species of reason ing that would not be listened to in any court of equity or honour. In 1814 this country entered into a treaty with Spain, by which it was stipulated that whenever this country conferred privileges upon any °trier foreign country, they were bound to do the same with respect to Spain, and yet the Noble Lord opposite, the Secretary for the Colonies, argued that they had no right to trade with Spain upon the same terms that they did with the United States. And although his Noble Friend spoke of the decree slightingly, as an ex post facto decree, and after the South American possessions had passed away from Spain, yet it appeared that it did not apply to Cuba and Porto Rico. These had not passed away, and a Spanish King had the power to withhold from them any inter course if he pleased ; but he did not do so. He granted them permission. His Noble Friend, however, would not hear of that. He would pass over what led to that recognition, but, indeed, there was no doubt, long before the States had sepa rated, the c. mplete go-by had been given to the treaty of 1670. He would now come to the state of things that existed in 1820. The Noble Lord then read an extract from a memo randum of a negotiation entered into at that time by Mr. Can ning. Now, not withstanding they had obtained permission, in 1810, to trade with the Spanish possessions—notwith standing they had embarked a large amount of capital in that trade, and notwithstanding they had appointed a consul to protect that trade, agreeably to the permission so granted, yet in the face of all this his Noble Friend alleged that no reci procal obligation was incurred on the part of the British Crown. He would ask, was it just —was it right—was it fitting conduct for a country that had been always foremost in proclaiming its own liberality to act in that manner? His Noble Friend then referred to an order in council of 1828, and asserted that this' did nothing more than sanction a trade between the colonies of Spain and Great Britain. He was doubtful, however, whether such a construction could be put upon that order. He should have thought that the practice between the two countries would have prevented such conduct towards Spain, for by their acts they had brought incredible disgrace on this country. Wines were formerly admitted into Spain, and were placed on the same footing as the goods of this country. If they reduced the duty on the wines and other produce of the countries on the continent, he would ask if such conduct was fair and honourable 7 They committed a great act of injustice towards Spain in re spect to the treaties into which they entered with that coun try. Spain, too, had been regardless of her own interests. In the treaty it was stated that Spain, in regard to her pro ducts, would be placed on the footing of the most favoured nation. Was the Noble Lord prepared to tell British mer chants that their produce was placed on a proper footing by the treaty of Utrecht? In their whole policy it would appear that they had one law for the weak and another for the powerful. Spain claimed the same right and the same power as other nations. If he had not made his opinions manifest to their Lordships—( Hear, hear)—and did not induce them to form the opinions which he entertained, he could only ascribe it to his own inability. We were endeavouring by treaties with other nations to satisfy the daily increasing wants of our people by opening fresh markets. God knew, to all these objects there were obstacles enough without adding to them mistrust, and the violation of good faith. He had already occupied the attention of the House at too great length in sup port of the ;notion. It must be matter of indifference not only to Cuba and Brazil, but even to our own colonies, whether the I sugar of the former places were imported for home consump tion or for re-exportation. We had already lost the very im portant market of Brazil. We were, besides, setting an ex ample of the means by which a treaty may be evaded. We were thereby incurring a greater loss than that of our com merce—the loss of our honour and character for good faith in the observance of treaties. It was to remedy, as far as possible, that injury, that he would now mo b. resolution to the effect— That, in deference, not merely to`tommercial treaties, but to regulations, according to which, under those treaties, the trade between this country and Spain and Brazil had been for many years carried on, all the products of those nations should con tinue to be imported on as favourable a footing as the products of the most favoured country. _ _ The Earl of ABERDEEN, who was throughout his speech heard with the greatest difficulty, and in no one sentence dis tinctly, was understood to say that his Noble Friend had strongly impressed on their Lordships the necessity of maintaining the national honour by the faithful observance of treaties. Ns person could be more deeply sensible of that importance than he ( the Earl of Aberdeen) was. But he suspected that if it had not been for the policy of the Government last year in con nex i on with the sugar trade, the House would not have heard of those ancient Spanish treaties.—( Hear, hear.) He thought that if the claim had b( en put forward upon any other grounds, it would not have met. with the same support. He thought that the policy of the Government in this case was just and wise, with a view to contribute to the suppression of the African slave-trade, and that the result was not to encourage that trade —( Hear, hear)—but it had the effect of bringing into this country a large quantity of free-grown sugar. Our colonial trade with Spain had, even under the treaties insisted on by his Noble Friend, been actually prohibited, although to some ex tent it was carried on in a contraband manner. But when the treaty was formed, twenty years ago, we became entitled to all the privileges of the most favoured nations. He was astonished to hear that interpretation put upon the ancient treaties ; on the other hand, --pain had always refusi'd to acknowledge them in that light. Let their Lordships recollect the " Family Treaty" of the 10th of May, 1671, by which France, Spain, and the Two Sicilies mutually bound themselves to give to the subjects of each other equal privileges with the i• own, in their respective dominions. By the 25th clause of that compact it was stipulated that no other Power should be admitted to share in the same advantages. This was entirely at variance with the interpretation put upon their former treaties by his Noble Friend. Mr. Pitt's treaty of 1806 stipulated, in the 7th article, that the subjects of the two Powers should be placed upon the footing of the most favoured nations, except so far as was pre cluded by the treaty of 1671. in respect to Fiance, and on the part of England in respect to the treaty with Portugal in 1703. So much for the observation by Spain of her ancient treaties with this country. But it always had been the practice to look at those treaties with regard to altered circumstances. The stipulations of treaties wcre frequently i n th emse l ves incon sistent and contradictory. Spain had always resisted the ap plications of this country, even where their provisions were most clear and satisfactory. For instance, by the treaty of 1667 English subjects were exempted from certain contribu tions, but of late years these were exacted, and the reply of the Spanish Government to our remonstrance was that times were TELEGRAPH. gradcd is the wish of Loudon, July 15, 1645. CRICKET. KENT V. ALL ENGLAND. Monday the match between these two elevens was com menced at " Lord's," in the presence of nearly 4,000 specta tors; and a finer exhibition of play, taken as a whole, has probably at no period been witnessed. Every inch of ad vantage was strongly contested by each party.. Amongst the company on the ,4round were Sir Augustus D'Este, the Earl of Verulam and Lady Jane Grimston, Vis count Grimston, Viscount Guernsey, Lord Strafford, Lord Marcus Hill, the Hon. General Upton, the Hon. S. Ponsonby, the Hon. R. Grimston, the Hon. F. Grimston, the Hon. Tufnell, the Hon. Captain Liddell, Sir J. Bayley, Bart., Sir F. Bathurst, Bart., Captain Baillie, Captain 0. Baillie, Mr. C. Bcauclerk and lady, Mr. H. Beauclerk and lady, Mr. awl Miss Powell, Mr. W. Ward, Mr. 0. Nethercote, Mr. C. Harenc, Mr. H. Everett, Mr. C. Morse, Mr. C. Taylor, Mr. E. M. Dewing, &c. At the termination of the game for the day, the score stood thus : ENGLAND. Lillvwhite, c Hillyer, b IClynn 3O Barker, b Hiliver l4 Guy, c Felix, I; ditto ...... Sewell, b Alynn lc Box, b ditto ... 0 Buslby, b ditto 5 C. Taylor, Esq., c Harenc, b Hillyer ... 7. Dakin, b Hillyer Alartingell, not out Sir F. Bathurst, c Dorrin ton, by Mynn Dean, b Hillyer 0 Byes. 14; wide, Mynn 4, Adams, 1, 5 W.Winn, Esq., c Bathurst, b Lean A. M ynn, Esq.. c Lilly white, b Martingell Adams. b Dean 3 Pilch, c Martingell, b ditto 14 The match was resumed thi E. Swann, Esq., not out... 0 Byes, 6; wide—Martin gell 2, Dean 1,3; no balls—BlLutingill 1 ... 10 is nvlrnina at 11 o'clock, LLOYD'S SHIPPING. LONDON, JULY 15.—Wind this day at noon, N.W., moderate, and cloudy, with light drizzling rain. LEAL JULY 14.—a.m., Wind N.W. to N.N.W., light. S P. 55., N.N.E.—Arrd. Islander, Gordon, Barbadoes ; Fortitude, Quebec ; Ann Eliza Jane, Dale, ditto ; Signet, M'Farlane, Miramichi ; Grati tude, Forrest, St. John's, New nrunstvick ; Memphis, Emann, River Pate ; Everhard, Quebec. Arrd. from the river for, George Home, Destant ; South Seas, ditto, and sailed for Lake Frances ; Crosby, Hobart Town; Promo, Houghton, Valparaiso; Albion, Lock, Quebec. Sid. Yst•oom, Batavia; Henry Wamsley, Launceston ; Eleanor, Wallace, Aden ; Lady Sandys, Pentreath, Mauritius ; Luzon, Goodrich, Boston ; Valley - field, Smith, Quebec ; Goldenitule, Watling ton, Bermuda ; Tally 110, Baker, NewtOundland. PLYMOUTH, JULY 14.—Wind S.W.—Arrd. William, Jacmel. Fel-mount, JULY 14.—Wind W.N.W., fresh breeze.—Crane packet, Lewis, Rio Janeiro, sailed 25th May, Bahia 6th ult., and Pernambuco 12th; on freight about 36,0001. in gold and diamonds; Hannibal, Winter, Walls Island. LIVERPOOL, JULY 14.—Arrd. John Bull, Crawford, Calcutta ; Fame, BroadlOot, Buenos Ayres; Tinamara, Cape Ceara; Compton, Chap man, New Orleans ; Thomas Battersby, Ellis, New Orleans ; Soldar, Shaw, New Orleans; Maneo, Nickels, Charleston; Powhatton, Sloan, Charleston ; Caledonia steamer, Lott, Boston, sailed Ist inst., and Halifax 4 ; Laurel, Grandel, St. John's, New Brunswick ; George M. Saule, Halifax; Susan and Sarah, Thoburn, Quebec; Anthony and Ann, Quebec ; Montreal, Blinkinsop, Quebec ; Anne, Garry, Quebec ; Native Lass and Nautilus, Newfoundland ; Flor, San Se bastian. The Newark, from Mobile to New York, ran on shore on Carysford Reef sth ult., and became a total wreck. A bright sided barque, with several wreckers alongside, was seen on shore 26 miles S. of Carysford Reef, 9th ult. RAIISGATR, JULY 14.—The Zante packet, Brenan, from London to Constantinople, has put in here with damage, having been in contact with the Mayflower of Brixham. GLOUCESTER, JULY 13.—Arrd. Florida, Prince Edward's Island. LANCASTER, JULY 14.—Arrd. Marys, Argyle, liestigouelie ; Queen, Mitchell, Miramichi. Off, Cheftain, North America. Cowes, JULY 14.—Wind N.—Arrd. Charlotte Letitia, Havannah. AINELEET, JULY 12.—The Mary, Jackson, on shore at Anderly, has been got off and proceeded. Coax, JULY 12.—Wind W.S.W.—Arrel. Dartmouth, Stewart, Ba tavia ; Susan, Wishert, St. Domingo; Urania, CLtrke, Quebec. Lixtaticri, JULY 13. —.‘ d. Bryan, Abbs, Quebec; Maria, Quebec. PADsTow, J CIA 13.—"Ilie „Manly ' Sall - 3 el', trout Plymouth to New. port, got on shore last night near TreTore. Head during a thick fog, and has bilged. SADLER'S WELLS. —Sheridan Knowles's play of Love has been revived at thn. theatre, and met with most decided success. The heroine was taken by Mrs. Warner, whose talents are so well known, that it is almost unne ce.sary to say it was well acted. The struggle betwixt her love and pride was admirable ; indeed, the whole of her perform• ance was faultless. Hu.m, the serf, was well personated by Mr. H. Marston, end Mr. G. Bennett, as the Duke, acquitted himself equally well. The part of Count Ulrick was well performed by Mr H. Mellon, and Miss Cooper as Katherine also deserves her share of praise; there is a degree of arch ness in her manner, which is very pleasing. The other cha racters were all well sustained, and we trust the managers of the theatre will reap the countenance they so well deserve. MR. BURKE'S HISTORY OF THE LANDED GENTRY. —Three parts of this truly national work have now appeared. The next will complete the publication, and. in doing so, will place before the student of history, of politics, and of topogra phical and antiquarian lore, a body of information and a fund of interest unapproached by those of any similar undertaking. This History of the Landed Gentry extends to the three branches of the empire—England, Scotland, sad Ireland—and includes every family attached to the landed interest of the country— that interest which forms at once the buttress that supports as great fabric of the titled aristocracy, and the spring from whence the streams of that aristocracy must be supplied and recruited ; consequently these records bear the same natural and indispensable relationship to the " Peerage and Baronet age" of the same writer, as the two subjects do to each other, and, as the latter will ever be found standing by and supporting one another in actual life, so should and will the records of them do, in every well-chosen library. THE ENGLISH GENTLEWOMAN ; on, HINTS TO YOUNG LADIES ON THEIR ENTRANCE INTO SOCIETY. We are requested to state that the above work, price /is. 6d. bound, is published this day by Mr: Colburn, of Great Marl. borough-street, and may be had of all booksellers. Mr. Col has also just published the following interesting New Works : —2. Memoirs of Lady Hester Stanhope, comprising Her Opi nions and Anecdotes of the most remarkable Persons of Her Times, 3 vols., with Portrait, &c., 31s. 6d. bound.-3. The Third Volume of the Nelson Letters and Dispatches, Edited by Sir Harris Nicolas.-4. Memoirs of Sophia Dorothea, Con. sort of George 1., including Her Diary, 2 vols. Bvo., with Portraits, 28s. bound.-5. A Second Edition of " Sybil ; or, The Two Nations," by B. D'lsraeli, Esq., M.P., 3 vols.—and 6. Volume 8 of Miss Strickland's " Lives of the Queens of England," comprising Henrietta Maria, and Catharine of Bra ganza, Consorts of Charles I. and 11. Hoag CIRCUIT—CHELMSFORD.--The Corn roisSioll for the county of Essex was opened here on Monday by Lord Chief Antic* Tindal. There were $2 prisoner. for trial. ----.-, a ~._~.,.._ _ _. -:- ' T'd-'0..N.1)0.N..... AW ED-i-i.:S'M.,Li'vt..Y..-:,__.14T4 IL, RPM ~► , JULY . . changed, and a constitution-s 1 Goverratent could net be cia pected to entry out provisions of treaties formed in despotic times. [ The Notsle Earl was so indistiuct. that far several sentences it was impossible fa) collect his miming whilst compar. ing the various treaties. J When this country wasabout makir , a commercial treaty, two years ago, with Portugal, Spain made no demand to be paced 011 the same lesel. On the contrary, the Spanish atinis . er here manifested from day to day the greatest aiixiety to know whether the treay was conclu.lerf, confessing at the same time that. Portugal agreed to a com mercial treaty Spain must_ do the same. On several occasion: the duties upon French and Portuguese wines had been reduced, when those upon Spanish wines were increased, yet Spain never, until now, set up the treaties as a ground of complaint:— ( Hear, hear.) In the first year of James the Second a duty of 81. was imposed upon French wines, and a duty of 121. on Spanish. But for this preference of France there was no re monstrance on the grour.d of treaties.—( Hear, hear.) Again, with respect to the duties on tobacco, down to a very recent period the duty upon Spanish tobacco was 6s. per lb., whilst that upon Portuguese was only 4s. That was the case down to 1822. when the: e was a general equalisation of the tobaccoduties. His Noble Friend had given a representation of the mode in which that condition had been exacted from Spain. After the great services they had given to Spain, they thought it not a very unreasonable return that they should stipulate for equal advantages with oilier countries. The truth of the matter was, that Spain had offered, on more than one occasion, to admit England to exclusive privileges in the colonial trade. This was invariably declined. All they stipulated for was, that they should be admit ted on an equal footing with other couutries. But this engagement was unilateral—there was no engagement on their side. They might say that it was illiberal, but it was the fact. He did not, considering their relationship with Spain, see anything unreasonable in the demand, even though they did not grant anything in return for that concession. The en gagement of 1814 admitted them on the same footing with other countries, and in 1824 the trade was nominally opened. It was perfectly true that that took place before the ineepen dence of the colonies was recognised. This decree was issued. and when the Spanish Government thought it proper, as a matter of course, in consequence of that stipulation, they were admitted to whatever was granted to other countries. It did not appear to him that there was any obligation imposed upon this country, as for several years, till 1828, no return what ever was made to this country. His Noble Friend said that the Spanish Government did not remon strate because they were ignorant. He (Lord Aberdeen) was of opinion that no country was more ready to make large pretensions than Spain. As this was a contract, it must be strictly interpreted and examined. He (Lord Aberdeen) had told them how it had b'en understood and acted twos) by both countries, and he would therefore say that there was nothing in the present relation of the two countries which could possibly justify Spain in claiming a right to that admission of produce which his Noble Friend supported. He a ould say a few words with respect to the last part of his Noble Friend's speech, in which he treated with ineffable contempt. the distinction which hau been drawn between the rights granted to the subjects of Spain and the produce introduced from Spanish colonies. Treaties with Spain and all treaties Octhat day were framed in very different terms from that which at present existed. The Noble Lord then read the original treaty, in which the Spanish Go. vernment only claimed the same privileges for its subjects as Frenchmen claimed. The modern treaty gave the largest pos sible privileges to both the subjects and to commerce. If it were not the case it would lead to much confusion, and would lead to absurd consequences, for what was the claim of his Noble Friend founded on but on the last treaty —it must be in relation to the subjects of the King of Spain, who had, under that treaty, that right which they refused to British subjects; because, if the Spani,h subjects had that right under the treaty, it was quite clear that only Spanish subjects had it, and that British subjects had not. That was reducing it to an absurdity, and provided t hat the rights, immunities, and privileges were connected with persons, and did not apply to produce. This facthad been considered by her Majesty's Government with a due regard to the tenour of the treaties, and his Noble Friend was quite in error if he supposed that this had been unadvisedly done, er that those treaties had been newly dis covered. As to the wisdom or policy, or generosity, or libe rality of the proceedings, it was a matter which might be dis cussed at another time. In accordance with the general inter pretations of the treaties they had done nothing but what was just. That being the case he did not think that they were at all liable to the imputations that had been cast upon them by his Noble Friend, and he must, therefore, oppose his resolution. Lord RADNOR said that the Noble Lord had made use of quite different arguments from those which were contained in his answer to the Duke of Sotomayor. They may as well have no treaty at all, according to the statements of the Noble Lord just now, for he held them to be of no avail. He would ask any persou of common sense, who had read these extracts, whether they did not bear on the face of them that the Spaniards were entitled to the advantages of the most fa voured nations. He could not but concur in the resolution of his noble Friend. The Earl of CLARENDON briefly replied and said that, in consequence of those treaties, the property and horses which had in the course of the civil wars been taken in Spain from the subjects of other nations, were not taken from British sub jects. He vas glad, however, his Noble Friend had abandoned the ground which he had hitherto taken, upon rejecting the application for the importation of Spanish productions, and had re,ted his rejection now solely on the frequent violations of those treaties on the part of the Spanish Government, H e thought it unnecessary to take up their Lordships' time further, having already taken up so much of their attention on this subject. Their Lordships then divided, when there appeared— Contents Non- contents 2B Majority against the resolution ............. —l4 Several Bills, chiefly relating to railways, were then brought up from the CoMmons, which, with the amendments, were agreed to. - The several Bills on the table were advanced a stage, and their Lordships adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS, July 15. A House was mule a few minutes after Twelve o'Clock. PROCEEDINGS OF THE HOUSE. -- Lord DUNCAN inquired what time the Lord-Advocate would bring on the Scotch Poor-law Bill. The LORD-ADVOCATE said that he thought about half past two, but the hour was to him a scatter of indifference. Lord ASHLEY said that the Lunacy Bill was first in the order of the day. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE said that he should certainly object to the Lunacy Bill, which had been adopted by the Government, in the absence of all the Ministers of the Crown. Lord ASHLEY said that the presence of the Ministers was not necessary. Mr. WAKLEY said that he should certainly object to the Scotch Poor-law Bill being considered to-day, and he thought that the Scotch Members ought to be very careful how they allowed such a Bill to pass into a law. It was a Bill for any thing but the relief of the poor. The Bill was then postponed for the present. The Borough Rates and Watch Bill was read a third time and passed. On the order of the day, that the House go into Committee on the . TURNPIKE ACTS BILL, Mr. DICKINSON said that he was surprised to learn, yes te,day, the progress which this Bill had made, for, had he not been ignorant of its proceeding, he should have objected to it. The Bill then went through Com m itt ee . LOAN SOCIETIES BILL. This Bill passed through Committee, and Was read a third time. SCOTCH POOR-LAW. Mr. WA KLEY, seeing the Right Hon. Baronet the Secre tary of State for the Hume Department in the House, wished to know when the Scotch Poor -law Bill - Sir J. GRAHAM said he would answe- the question if the Hon. Member would t e ll hi m what time the previous business would occupy. - - HiGHWAY RATES BILL. This Bid went through ( omruittee, and was ordered to be read a third time to-merrow, LUNA sic ASYLUMS BILL. On the motion that the House go into Committee on this Bill, Mr. DUNCOM BE o bjected to a n y f ur th er progress of this Bill until the amendment s whi c h h a d b een, or w hi c h it was proposed to introduce into th e B i ll , h ad b een pr i n t e d an d handed to the Memb ers. Mr. WA K LE Y also Objecand said that it su wouledopoinely ted to p rocee di n e. , with the Bill, take th e pr i nters f our , or a t must six hours, to pply s to the Members. Mr. DUNCOAIBE presented a petition from a person named John Miller, of Camden Town, complaining of unjust and oppressive treatment. Lord DUNCAN said that as it wa s ev id en t that consid era bl e discussion would ensue on theßill b e f ore th e H o us e , it wou ld be impossible to take th e Scotch Poor-law Bill to-day, and he wished to know 'what the Government intended to do ? Sir JAMES GRAHAM said that he would state when the Bill would be taken at five o'clock to-day. The House then went into Committee, and the two first clauses were passed. On the prop` sition ef the third clause, Mr. T. DUNCOMBE said that this clause had better b e postponed until they had got t l lie returns from the inspecto rs i n lunacy of the cost of visiting the several h ouses a nd th e i r s t a t e ; but this was a part o f th e p l an of keeping the H ous e i n th e d ar k. Lord ASHLEY said that the only return not before the House was that of the amount paid to each commissioner. Sir C. NAPIER said that before h e rece i ve d hi s h a lf- pay a de he was obliged to make aration• a n d he did no t see w h y these gentlemen should no t . be subjected to the same test before they received their t saler •es Alr. WAls BURTON saw no use in the declaration. h Lord ASHLEY said that e treasurer's accounts were a sufficient guarantee of the rectitude also of the paym en t s , an d f or ~ the travelling expenses theresufficient evidence. Mr. T. DUNCUMBE then moved that the clause be post- potted. They ought to have paid commissioners, responsible to the Government and the country, and not men who were part amateurs and part professional, and who were o responsible to nobody. In the petitions presented day by his Noble Friend, it was positively stated that there was no means rcival had not of ascertaining what had been done. Mr. - complained of the Commissioners, but therehadin A b i e r e . greatri complaint from those who had sufferedinjustice th ; n and eommitted, and Pater noster's case there was a great te i v i e rison o e f r. redr g e ' s li s e the result there al against person complaining had no chance whatever Before they passed this clause, which made the r Commission permanent, they ought to have evidence that the Commis. Y . He teahxsesirectne could d n thatnt havetl' sioners had hitherto done their duty, had not. He thought they ought to see if a better Commission formed than at present not press his motion for the postponm en t l ' 1 the: es . te a ci ' t would call upon the Chairman to read the clause Alr. V. SMITH defended the conduct Commissioners generally, and especially with respect t o th e case of Mr clause, length. t le but Percival. Mr. CHRISTIE trusted the Noble Lord would not only be induced to reconsider the present clause, but the effect of the Bill altogether. He was sorry t h at his Hon. Fri e nd the Mem ber for Finsbury bad withdrawn his motion for postponing the clause. Alr. WAKLEY felt convinced that the present Commission would never work well. — ( Hear , he objected even to three Cs mmissioners, belie v i ng that He one Com missioner, who should be r than three or even eleven esponsibleto is t s h i e ffi on was formed. Home•oce for his actions would do more good could Commissioners, of which the pre sen t Cornm He thought that amateur Commissioners ne i v n e n r er do c t u ha ld t good for the public that one prop e r l y Pahl Commissioner i do, It had been said that insanity w malady ; now he asserted that ina nin e o e f as i e n s san o i u ty t of ten it arose from disease. There wall :o a , purely mental case without structural derangement. He trusted that the Noble Lora would reconsider the clause with reference to the Com missioners, as he thought it might be framed in a manner that would operate far more beneficially for the public. Sir C. NAPIER hoped the Noble Lord would reconsider the clause. He considered that an unpaid Board was not so good as a paid one. osioensers were no Lord ASHLEY denied that unpaid C ommissioners so competent to perfo r m their duties as paid is n . For him ; he would say that when Commission, im n h ,he he entered the Corn did so with a determination to do his duty, and he considered himself as responsible for the performance of I here duties as if he he h a d been paid a hundred guineas a visit. As to the statement o f the Hon. Member for Finsbury, that one Commissioner wo u ld be sufficient, he asserted, without fear of contradiction, that it would be impossibl e for on, individual to i erforrn the onerous duties. Mr. WARBURTON agreed with the Hon. Member for Finsbury, that paid Commissioners were better than unpaid or.e.a ; but, at the same time, he thdiett thrra esoulit bi nth paid gentlinen connected with the Commission, who would represent persons of , moderate fortunes, who were afflicted with insanity. Mr. HAWES preferred a mixed Board to one constituted of paid or of unpaid Commissioners alone. Sir J. GRA HAM was anxious that the Commissioners named in the ciause - sbould be continued in the Commission. The CHAIR:NIA N then pr rcoeded to read the-clause, pro posing that 1. ,, rd Ashley and several other gentlemen should furor the Commission, when Mr. T. DUNCOMBE rose and said it was his intention to take the sense of the House upon an amendment which he should propose, to the effect that those gentlemen whom he called the amateur Commissioners should be excluded from the Com mission. Mr. V. SMITH opposed the amendment. and contended that great advantage resulted to the public• from the Commission being composed in part of unpaid, or, as the Hon. Member for Finsbury called them, amateur Commissioners. They acted as a sort of check upon the paid Commissioners, and caused them to perform their duties with fidelity. Sir JAMES GRAHAM would oppose the amendment of the lion. Member for Finsbury on public grounds. If what had teen termed the amateur commission did not do their duty, the Government would have the power of removing them. sir R. IN GLI-3 advocated the appointment of the Commis sion, and opposed the amendment. Mr. WA KLEY thought the Commission would be ineffec tive. They would have, if it were appointed, the same results as those which had emanated from the Commission on the Fine Arts, which was an amateur Commission. Lord SEYMOUR believed that the Plan of the Noble Lord would have the effect of preventing cruelties which had been practised in lunatic asylums. Lord ASHLEY said there were 34 board-days last year, and he hid attended every one. Sir C. NAPIER would be glad to have the attendance of the other members of the Board. The Committee then divided, when there appeared— Fur the amendment ... 6 Against it 45 Majority against the amendment On our return to the gallery we found Mr. T. DUNCOMBE complaining that Dr. Turner had been placed on the Commission, he being at the time between 70 and 8) years of age, and coasequently would soon be entitled to be placed on the petition list. Lord ASHLEY said that Dr. Turner was a most efficient officer, and was well calculated for the duties which he had to perform. The Lord Chancellor fully approved of the ap pointment. Sir C. NAPIER understood that when the Commissioners under this Bill should become unfit for work they should retire on a salary; but he thought a little provision ought to be made for those who had been all their lives acting as Commis sioners in the same way, and that they should not be turned adrift in their old age. WAKLEY was opposed to such a proposition upon principle, for if such a principle were to be recognised by this Act he would like to know where it would stop ? Certain per sons accepted situations for a certain amount of remuneration, and it was evident they were contented with it, for they per- Ormed the duties, but the public and the labouring classes should not be made to pay large sums as retiring pen sions. He would ask the House what it did last night? It came to a resolution to refuse relief to a man who might not be able to get employment, yet a monstrous r allowance of the description now proposed was asked to be made for men in their old age who had received a large salary for the discharge of their duties. Mr. ARBUTHNOTT would wish to know if this clause should be discussed now, or at any other time? Sir J. GRAHAM said he hoped it would be discussed now, as it was desirable to make some progress with the Bill. Mr. DUNCOMBE did not approve of the Bill being passed through the House at this railroad pace, for he was anxious that the public should see how matters of this sort were disposed of here, and how the public money was applied. Now, the Bill provided that these Commissioners should have a retiring pension after fourteen years service ; but, how did the House know but that many of these Commissioners had already served 13% years ? He had asked the Noble Lord opposite to state what the age of Dr. Turner was, but he could get no information at all on the subject. He could not ascertain whether he was a young man or an old man, or likely to remain long or short in his situation. He fully concurred with the Hon. Member near him, that though the Noble Lori opposite was a very humane man, it was an extraordinary thing that this Houseshould refuse relief to an able-bodied poor man who could not get employment, but let him starve, and then in twenty-four hours after come down and ask for a provision of this sort, in the shape of a retiring pension. Lord ASHLEY said he had uo objection whatever to answer the question, but he could not really say what the age of Dr. Turner was ; but this he knew, that he believed him to be per fectly equal to the discharge of the most delicate and arduous duties. Mr. WAKLEY said he did not object to the individual, but to the principle of connecting past duties with future; and he would again repeat, that the public money should not be dis p )sed of in pensions, when that money was taken from the poor man in the shape of taxes upon every article he consumed, and to whom rebel from the public money was refused, because he was able-bodied, though he might be starving. Sir J. GRAHAM said the Committee was now only dis cussing the names of those who had been recommended for the officers, and he would not shrink from the responsibility of having recommended them. But the subject of the amount of salary was a matter far future discussion. i►lr. DUNCOM BE said it was putting the cart before the horse, to first nominate persons and then tell them that they were to have certain salaries and retiring pensions, if the Go vernment did not intend that such should be the case. Lord ASHLEY said there would be no breach of faith towards those parties if this clause should be left out. _ Mr. DUN dONIBE said he had no objection to give the medical man 1,500/. a year, but he did think it too much for the lawyer. The police magistrates, who were obliged to be barristers of ten years standing, had only 1,0001. a year, from which 5 per cent. was deducted, which went to a fund for a retiring pension. The prison inspectors also had but 70C/. a year, with no allowance for travelling expenses. On these greunds he did think 1,500/. a year would be too much for these Commissioners. He conceived 1,0001. a year would be abundant, and he would undertake to get barristers of ten years standing who would be very glad to get it, and who would discharge the duties most ably. Mr. HINDLEY did not see why the doctors should be favoured beyond the lawyers. Lord ASHLEY contended that the proposed salaries were not so high as those paid to other public officers in the same position, and he was quite sure that less than 1,500/. would rt:d secure the services of men whom it would be desirable to employ. Sir. WAKLEY never heard of anything so easily done as finding excuses for giving men large salaries. Mr. CHRISTIE believed that a salary of 1,000/. a year would command the services of many most intelligent and clever men. Sir C. NAPIER did not see why the proposed Commis sioners should not be satisfied with 1,0001. a year, when the Lords of the Treasury and Admiralty only received that sum. Mr. BOUVERIE did not think 1,5001. a year a large salary when the duties required to be performed were taken into con sideration. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE thought, after the valuable sug gestions that had been thrown out, it would be better that the Chairman should report progress, in order to enable the Noble Lord to improve the Bill by adopt ing some of those suggestions. The Honourable Member then withdrew his amendment as to the word six. At the suggestion of Mr. WAKLEY, the words barrister of ten years' standing were struck out, and the words barrister of five years' standing inserted. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE then moved as an amendment that the salary of the six paid Commissioners should be I,ooa, in stead of 1,500/. a year. The Committee then divided, when there appeared— For Vie original motion ... 31 For the amendment Majority against the amendment —24 The amendment was consequently lost, and the words, 1,5C01. were ordered to stand part of the clause. On the question that the clause stand part of the Bill, Mr. T. DUNCOMBE again divided the Committee, when there appeared, For the clause Against it Majority in favour if the clause The clause was then agreed to, as was also clause 4. The Chairman then obtained leave to report progress, and left the chair at half-past four ()clock, and the business of the House was suspended till five o'clock. The House resumed at Five o'clock, when the SPEAKER took the Chair. The reports on the Epping Railway, the Rye and Tenter den Railway, the Launceston and South Devon Railway, the South Devon (Tavi,tock Branch) Railway, the Dublin Pipe Water, and the Gravesend and Rochester Railway Bills were received and agreed to. The Darby Court Bill was read a second time. 11ANCHESTER AND LIVERPOOL RAILWAY. Mr. BROTHERTON moved that the Lords' amendments on this Bill be agreed to. Sir G. CLERK objected to the reception of the Bill, on the ground that certain clauses were opposed to the report of the Board of Trade, and to the standing orders of the House. Mr. M. GIBSON proposed that the consideration of the amendment he deferred for a week, in order to give time for the alteration of clauses. The House then divided, when there appeared— For the amendment 2 Against it Alajority —4l GREAT SOUTHERN AND WESTERN (IRELAND) RAILWAY BILL. The Lords' amendments to this Bill were read and agreed to. RICHMOND (SURREY) RAILWAY BILL. The Lords' amendments to this Bill were read and agreed to. Mr. HUME moved for certain returns respecting the sewers, of which the House had never received any account. — Ordered. Mr. YORKE moved for leave to bring in a Bill to extend certain provisions in the Act for Consolidating and Amending the laws relating to Highways in England. CHURCH OF SCOTLAND. Mr. MACAULAY, who was almost inaudible in the gal lery, from the noise which prevailed at the time, was understood to say that, a few evenings ago, he had pot a question to the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite as to whether or not the Go vernment countenanced certain proceedings which had been in stituted against Sir David Brewster and others, for not taking the test of the General Assembly. He now repeated the question, and wished to know whether the Government would undertake and conduct such a prosecution, and whether they would lay on the table of the House the communications which had taken place between the Government and the General Assem bly on th• subject? Sir J. GRAHAM said he had no further knowledge of the subject than the Right Hon. Gentleman himself possessed. With respect to the prosecution of Sir David Brewster, he did not understand that any resolution had been come to by the General Assembly respectin g his prosecution. 1 - 1.2 was not in a condition to lay before the House any communications on the 'abject. SCOTCH POOR-LAW. Mr. P. M. STEWART asked when the Scotch poor-law would be next brought on ? Sir R. PEEL was understood to say on Thursday next. NATIONAL EDUCATION ( IRELAND). Mr. OSBORNE wished to know when the vote would be brought forward for the purpose of national education in Ireland. Sir T. FREMANTLE said on Friday next. After some further conversation respecting the fixing of the Committee of Supply, Sir ROBERT PEEL said, that he had no objection to fixing Friday evening for that purpose. THE VOTES ON NEW ZEALAND. An HON. MEMBER asked when the supplementary list of votes of the division on the New Zealand question would be ready for delivery ? Mr. CARDWELL said, that they were in course of pre paration. BRAZILIAN CLAIMS—SUGAR. L ABOUC FIE ltE wished to get some explanation on a subject which had caused very considerable anxiety among the merchants of this country. fie referred to a rumour which had had already an injurious cffe,tt upon the funds. That rumour was, that the 13razdian Chamber had sanctioned an - enactment prohibiting the im i :crtation of the cottuni of England into that country, unless the differential duties at present imposed upon their sugars should be done away with. . , (IN. .nT PE bid, tido A .rata a k in, AA ihs . 1 " • i Stock Exchange, f-om the firiti , h M.nlA4.r at the Brasil , . It was dated the 24th of May, and made no allusion to Puch an enactment. He concluded, therefore, that the rumour was unfounded. SPANISH DUTIES. Lord PALMERSTON said, that it was now his duty to address the House on a matter of the very highest import ance, as it concerned the hoer) it of this caumry, inasmuch as it related tothequestion whether the treaties subsisting between Spain and Great lirPain had been preserved inviolate. It vas a cpiestion relating to the commercial interests of this country, because it raised the question, whether those treaties had or had not been heedlessly thrown aside. The question had been raised in consequence of a correspondence which had recently taken place between the Spanish minister'and the Se cretary of State for Foreign Affair-. That correspondence had been lately laid on the table of the House by command of her Majesty. That correspondence related to the claim made by the Spanish Government, in virtue of those treaties, that the sugars of Porto Rico and C u b a , a l t h ough these were slave grown, should be admitted on the same terms as those sugars which were the result of free labour. His opinion was, that as matters at present stood, great and positive injury was in flicted on the commerce of the country, and he considered it his duty therefore to ask the House to address the Crown upon this subject. In order to bring the question in the clearest and most distinct manner under the attention of the House, it would be necessary shortly to recapitulate the circumstance which had led to this correspondence. It must be fresh in the remembrance of every body whom he then had the honour of addressing, that in the year 1841, her Majesty's late Government thought it their duty to propose to Parliament an alteration in the then existing scale of sugar duties, believing that the change which they proposed to Par liament would tend to increase the revenue, and give addi tional development to their commerce, and increase the sup ply of sugar, and reduce the price to the consumer, and add, consequently, to the comfort of the poorer classes of the com munity. The party then in opposition deemed that proposal as a fitting oecasian to make trial of their strength. They raised a cry in the country, and upon that cry they sought to drive the then Government from power. They stigmatised the measure of the Government as calculated to give additional encouragement to the slave-trade and slavery. They suc ceeded in their opposition, and the Government of the day re signed their offices, and the present Government had not been in power long before they came to the same conclusion as that to which the preceding Government hi.d arrived, that it would be to the interest of the country to increase the supply of sugar for the consumption of the people. He (Lord Palmerston) was quite satisfied if the Government had been free agents—if they had not been fettered by pledges, that they would have proposed measures similar to those of the late Government. They were fettered by engagements. They, however, proposed a measure which might be regarded as a notable expedient. It was not a measure like that of the late Government, calcu lated to largely increase the revenue, but it was a measure which would add slightly to the revenue, but not so much as to give alarm to the West India monopolists. The measure was to admit at a low duty foreign sugar the produce of free labour, and continue at a high duty any sugar that was the pro duce of slave labour. They were told that this measure would fail, and that it would be impracticable. The Government was also warned that there were treaties in existence with foreign powers, that we had treaties of commerce whereby the subjects of those powers were entitled to certain privileges in regard to goods and duties which were afforded to the most favoured nation. That warning, however, was treated very lightly. There was a treaty with the state of Venezuela, and that state claimed to be put on a footing with the most favoured nation, that they should be allowed to send sugars into this country on the same terms as Cuba, Java, and Mobile, and other free-labour countries. This claim being admitted, next came the United States, who, having a treaty with this country claimed the same advantage as Venezuela. Their claim was considered, and their sugars were at length admitted on the same terms as the sugar of Venezuela. Java, and the other countries that were entitled to the first privileges. Here were two great holes in the system— " See what a rent the envious Casca made." General Narvaez, the Spanish Minister, claimed the same rel. the Spanish colonies, through the Duke of Sotomayor, the Spanish Ambassador to this country, and a note was dedvered by the latter to the Noble Lord . the Secretary for Foreign Affairs. In a reply, in which the application contained in the note was argued, that Noble Lord refused to acknowledge the claim. lie (Lord Palmerston) was sure the Noble Lord never could have invented the arguments, yet he (Lord Palmerston) could hardly conceive that they were the result of due delibe ration. He only regretted the too easy disposition of the Noble Lord, and considered that it might have prevented him giving that conSiderati -n to the question which its importance so much required. The letter which contained the answer was full of fallacies, not palpable fallacies, for these would be plain and easy, and seen at once, but fallacies that, nevertheless, a very little examination could detect and expose. He had carefully studied that letter, and would proceed to argue upon its construction. The argument in that letter was a curious illustration of what was called the legerdemain of logic—( Hear)—which was, as he understood it, where a party, in the course of an argument, skilfully slipped in some new word, or phrase, or expression, without the knowledge of his opponent, and then proceeded to erect a superstructure upon the whole, leading to a conclusion wholly different from that which would be otherwise arrived at, and from that which the premises warranted. The Noble Lord then proceeded to canvass the treaties of 1667 and 1713, between this country and Spain, in which it was distinctly stated that the same privileges, rights, and liberties should be mutually enjoyed by the inhabitants of the :two countries as by those of the most favoured nations. The treaties spoke distinctly of privileges as to the imposition of duties on merchandise, providing that each should enjoy the same advantages in this respect as the in habitants of the most favoured nation. They, them selves, had assented to the principle that the mode of manufacture was to be taken into consideration in the appli cation of imposts. English and Swedish iron was thus formerly taxed dissimilarly, until the anomaly had been exposed, and the taxation equalised on both. Was it not then monstraus to keep up the distinction between sugar manufactured by ilif ferent colonies, and in different modes? The first point, how ever, upon which the answer was founded, was an admission of the treaties of 1667 and 1713, and confirmed by the treaty of 1814, but contending that the last precluded them from abiding by the original, or that of 1670, and that even that of 1670 was a bar to the claim of Sotomayor. Let them now consider what the demand of Spain was ; let them analyse it, critically, if they would, but, at all events, equitably.—( Hear, hear. ) The demand was, that Spanish subjects, resident in Cuba, should be permitted, to bring their sugar to the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, at the same duty as was imposed on other colonial produce. The preamble of the treaty of 1670 merely provided that Bri tish subjects were not to sail to, or navigate in, or trade in the ports of Spain, nor Spanish subjects to sail to, or navigate in, or trade in the ports of Great Britain. But it did not imply that British colonists were not to sail to, or navigate in, or trade in Spanish ports, nor was there one word in the treaty to imply that the colonists of Spanish islands were not to trade in the ports of the United Kingdom of Great Britain, and he did not know but that if Spain procured a cargo of sugar from her colony at Cuba, and unshipped it at Corunna, and thence reshipping it, sent it to Great Britain, that produce would not be admitted on the duty imposed on friendly nations. The ATTORNEY -GENERAL assured the Noble Lord that his assumption was untenable. Lord PAL NIERSTON would not argue that particular question, but he contended that this principle of establishing a distinction between the treaties of 1670 and 1814, was vision ary and fallacious, end that the affected reciprocity between friendly nations was no reciprocity at all, but the most palpable injustice to peculiar countries and the industrial labour of their colonies.—( Cries of " Hear, hear.") Those observations, he conceived, applied to, and anse ered the arguments, in reference to the treaty of 1670. Thin came the arguments in defence of the treaty of 1713, the pre cise nature of which he felt some difficulty in applying him self to ; and all who had heard them con: urred with him in saying that nothing could be more absurd than such atguments, suited only to the position and advantage of a pettifogging village attorney, and therefore it was not only a mere quibble to apply such arguments to such a case,but he would not hesitate to say that such consluct was indefensible.—( Hear, hear.) Well, then, let him ask any man of plain sense and candour, whether the arguments he had mentioned were such as should be used in defence of the treaty of 1713. And if those arguments were not to be defended. then let him ask upon what grout ds the Government defended the act of imposing a higher duty upon articles imported from their own colonies than upon these imported from foreign nations ?—( Hear. ) This mode of dealing with those duties put him in mind of a friend of his who asked a man to vote for him at an election, which he pro mised to do ;yet be voted against him ; and or) being asked the reason why he broke his promise, said, very coolly, it was true he had promised to vete for him, but he did not say when ( Laughter and cheers.) Such was the position of the treaties he had been speaking of ; they proposed to fix certain duties upon certain articles, but they did not say what articles. —(Hear, hear.) He had heard that it would be urged in de fence of this proceeding that the opinion of the Crown lawyers had been taken on the question, and they had declared in favour of it. But he (Lord Palmerston) could not see what the law had to do with it, for he did consider it was not a question of law, but of honesty.—( Hear, hear.) This was not a question upon which they were to cavil upon mere words, or the legal meaning of words, but the matter was to be looked upon as one importing the simple meaning accorded to the language in which all documents containing agreements between two nations were usually drawn up. Well, then, he was to suppose that those agreements and treaties meant nothing more than a species of documents applying to individuals, and not to measures as between England and Spain; and if so, let him ask, did the House or the Govern ment see the full bearing of such a course ?—( Hear, hear.) Let the House remember the treaties that had been proposed to be entered into, under another Government, between France and Spain, in respect to the right of search treaty ; and if that treaty should not be carried out by the present Government, beyond all doubt the world would look upon it as a breach of faith. Mr. GLADSTONE said that, although he did not now hold the position of a member of the present Government, yet he felt. bound to say a few words in reply to the Noble Lord who had just sat down, knowing, as he (Mr. Gladstone) did, that he had a right to participate to a certain extent in the responsibility that attached to the present Government in reference to this question. He (Mr. Gladstone) would not follow the Noble Lord in much of that which he had addressed to the House, because he was surprised at the paucity of the facts he had to present to the House connected with the wide field which he had to travel. He had favoured the House with a long disquisition on the Ashburton treaty and on other matters totally unconnected with the subject, and against the sense of the House, and went out of his way far the purpose of making an attack on the Government. If the Noble Lord had been content to have abstained from that party dis cussion, and to have confined his observations to the subject before the House, he would have done more wisely. He had averred that the Spanish Government had broken faith in their treaty against the interests of this country. That measure had, however, never been defined. It had been drawn up at a time when there were no less than twelve commercial treaties in existence whose provisions had extended over a period of 200 years. He was ready to contend that the treaties on which the Noble Lord had founded the case of the charge against Spain were still in full operation. He (Mr. Gladstone) would not undertake to define is what degree they had a binding effect; but he would undertake to show been, tha they were that whatever the circumstances of those treaties might h distinguished in many important pxrticutary general treaties i e as regarded the universality of their operation, f ro m the a which were included in the cod e of natioes. He believed that up to the year 1763 those treat i es c,, all stood as a complete act. nfirmed in the most absolute form by the treaty r In the year 1763 they weree t en so of 1667. The treaty of th e year 1783 obtained a 9 83 the ne w confirmation, in which it was st a t e d that the former treaties were to be taken as its b se, and to be re li g i o u.ly observed. He found in that treaty of 17 de claration attached to it. The declaration provided for both parties. With refpect to the British inter es t s it d rew a clear distinction between all the different clauses of prevention in the former treaties. These were divided into the classes of com mercial privileges and commercial regulations, and it was only with respect to the commercial privileges that the then Sovereign of Great Britain would consent to the alteration of duties. The Spanish declaration was evidently meant to fortify the state of things in which those old treaties were habitually used. He would point out that Spain, in the year 1783, wanted to be placed on the footing of reciprocity—Spain bad acted on: the established practice—a practice of twenty two years' duration. In the year 1761, it would be found that Spain, France, and Naples had agreed to place one and the other of either eountm with respect to the lotereits of all, on eta *lO4 t. , isliw, OTs lara VM I .. toe years 015i4hueu Inesysiens rcpt - , seet Between and Naples. and she has bound to have admiiteti Et:gland on the same footing. In 1782, an admirabie treaty was formed with France. In that commercial treaty, a national clause was introduced, which provided that on the part of Eiigiand, France should hare a claim in favour of their eentract with Spain. Mr. Pie, by a most solemn act, ratified the power ot 'hat treaty. Again, in the %ear 1809, an engagement was, entered into b tween the two powers to 'iego'iate. In 1814 it would be found that the engagement to riegociate ui 1869 was re newed, thus manifestly recognising the binding nature of the old original treaty. He would now refer to some other pro visoes which were susceptible of a double interpretation. In 1780 the French treaty had been referred to the Board of Trade, by Mr. Pitt, for their opinion. The Board of Trade had their attention called to the question, whether, if a com mercial treaty were formed with France, England would be subject to the operation of the differential duties with Spain. The report of the Board of Trade distinctly laid down that Spain had a perfect right to impose those differential duties on British merchandise. In the time even of Mr. Pitt a treaty was made between France and this country relative to some dif ferential duties to be imposed upon the produce of Quebec, but he was not aware that Spain ever claimed to be placed on the same footing, or remonstrated against the adoption of such a treaty. How was the Noble Lord to explain this ? he was in office while these duties were in existence, indeed they were in existence at the present time, and yet the Noble Lord had ventured to charge the pre sent Government with being guilty of a want of good faith towards Spain, in not placing her produce upon the same footing as that of the United States. He now came to the treaty of 1814, and here let him ask how the Noble Lord could account for the introduction of what he would term the colo nial clause into that treaty, for, according to the Noble Lord's argument, su c h a c l ause must have been perfectly superfluous. The Noble Lord was in office in 1822, and he had a serious catalogue of his own misdeeds to answer for. In 1819 the formation of the reciprocity treaty was commenced, and during the four succeeding years they con tinued to put one nation after another upon the footing of the most favoured nation with regard to their ships and produce. But Spain did not ger the beer fit of that reel t reer.y and Spain continued 'to ply their differential duty as before, while other nations were its the enjoyment of duties reduced to a very low rate, but Spain had never complained from that day to this. Before, therefore, the Noble Lord ventured to declaim against the Government he ought to be prepared to explain away these circumstances. The Noble Lord had said that a constant struggle had long been going on between the Governments of the two countries upon the subject which he had brought under the consideration of the house, but he abso lutely denied that such was the case. It was true that some letters had passed between the two Governments on the subject, but nothing had taken place which could be designated. Mr. Bulwer, during the present Government, had applied to the Spanish Government to have the ships of British mer chants placed upon the footing of the most favoured nation, but that claim had not been granted up to this hour ; and he therefore could see no reason why the ships of Spain should be more favoured in this country than English ships were in Spain. He had shown, he thought, that the ancient treaties were not now in full force ; but even if they were in as full force now as they were in 1763, when they received the con. firmation of the two countries, still they did not stipulate for a minimum duty upon the produce, but they only placed the subjects of Spain, and all that belonged to them, upon the footing of the nation most favoured by this country. In the statute 12 Car. 11., cap. 4, it was proved that the principle of taxing different commodities, brought from differ ent countries, into different ports, by different persons, was not only recognised but asserted; and this was a matter which had altogether been overlooked by the Noble Lord opposite, although it imposed different duties on wines imported into the country. Spanish wine was subject to a much less duty and poundage ad valorem than French, and Rhenish eas subject to less than either. Arid if they looked into the principle narrowly, it was both just and rational. The spirit f legisiation, then, was to keep their own trade in the hands of their subjects; and was it likely, then, that the King of Spain weuld fail to put a stipulation in any reciprocal treats, teat his subjects aud 'he produce of his subjects, not his colonists, should tie received an s friendly manner, and subjis to a less bindere imeest than either other less favitui ed nations or s e ? While, therefore, he deprecated sueh appetes frees the letter to the spirit of the law, where the letter wart clear and unimpeached, as the Noble Lord Lad made, yet he con tended here that both the spirit and the letter ut the law were perfectly consistent and concordant. Again the treaty of Pitt, in 1787, and the treaties of the N \bat Lord ( Palmersten ) himself. when he was .eke, teary of State for the Coee.tes, le. cognited that very principle which he hors sought to repudhee, The first was that which the Noble Lord had concluded with the Netherlands in 1837 ; but in that with the Sublime Porte, in !838, the principle of the village attorney was even more distinctly and unequivocally propounded and maintained; and lest it should, in some two or three hundred years hence, be doubted whether the produce or the subjects were in tended to be treated as friendly, an express clause was appended to the former, and a stipulation affixed to the latter, both providing that British produce should be received by the foreign ports in a friendly and liberal spirit. In 1667 the principle of differential imports, as analogous to the excise of the British and foreign produce, was clearly established; and subsequently, in 1667 and 168.5, enactments were passed by the Legislature. not abrogating, as the Noble Lord contended, but positively and ;solemnly ratifying it. The treaties with France respecting wine, and with Spain respect ing snuff and tobacco, more fully recognised, if they did not perfectly complete, the principle previously asserted and now despised. He had shown, by a stream of precedents, that Spain imposed a higher rate of duty on the produce of this country than on that of others that were considered the high. est favoured nations. Well respect to differential duties, he might state that in this country, at present, there were 71 ports in which a distinction was made between the ships of Spain and the ships of France and the United States. The Right Hon. Gentleman heie instanced Belfast, as one of the ports to which he referred. Spanish produce and Seanish ships had beers taxed from time to • ime by the British Legi latore ac cording to circumstances, without any regard to stiputatione. They talked of reciprocity and of a family compact. That family compact which had been referred to only pr o . vided that the ships of Naples, France, and Spain should be permitted to enter British ports on exactly the same terms, and at equal rates of taxation; but it did not provide that this taxation should be the minimum, as applied to the most favoured nations. It only provided that there should be an equality in the relative position of these countries towards this country, but nsthing inure.—(Hear, hear.) He had been amused by the Noble Lord saying they were now untying the hands of Spain; but did the Noble Lord wish this country to enforce this treaty at the point of the sword ?—( Hear, hear.) Spain asked it of them, and yet she now imposed a doctrine she had been acting on for two hundred years, for she was imposing a duty on British ships, which she did not, and had not imposed upon the ships of France.—( Loud cries of " hear, hear.") The re sult of the treaty, if they were to take the interpretation of the Noble Lord, would involve an absurdity, for if all the ships of Spain were entitled to be placed on the footing of the most favoured nations, then by the same interpretation the Prussians and the Danes—the best navigators in the world—would be placed in a similar position in our ports ; an advantage that in return would not be conceded to the shipowners of this country. The principle they had hitherto acted on, was that proposed by the late Mr. Huskisson, namely, that they should only con cede advantages toforeign nations in proportion as those coun tries gave advantages to this country in return.—( Hear, hear.) But the Noble Lord did not extend his motion to include all descriptions of Spanish goods. He merely took one article, sugar, arid on that he vs ishi d an assimilat:on to the import duties imposed on the produce of the most favoured countries—on the produce of Java, Manilla, and Cuba. Though he (Mr. Gladstone) had shown, by an unbroken chain of precedents, in opposition to the views advanced by the Noble Lord, he would admit to much to the Noble Lord that the object sought to be obtainiel by the clauses of ihe present treaty was similar to that which iie contended fal Hear ) The difference was, that the Noble Lord wished to aceompli.h the result by other means than he (Mr. Gladstone) cowd support or recommend. On two several occasions had thi s country asked Spain to come to ati arrengement on the subjeet of duties. This was lately stone by Mr. Bulwer, their minister at the court of Spain, who requested that British ship. might be placed on a footing of equality with the ships of France. lie thought the instructions of the Noble Lord to Mr. Ashton were most extraordinary instructions at a time when they were levying a differential duty on Spanish g oo d s com i ng i nto this country. The construction of the treaty for 200 years, and the mode in which it had been obsi rved and regarded, showed that the Noble Lord's view of the case was erroneous. But he would allow the Noble Lord to put what construction he pleased upon the treaty of 1667. It could not be denied but in the treaty of 1667 the West Indian colonies of Spain were excluded, and they were not included in the subsequent treaty. As regarded the treaty of 1670, he thought the Noble Lord had put an entirely erroneous construction upon it. The Noble Lord said the nature of the treaty allowed the colonists of Spain to partake of advantages which the mother country did not be that treaty herself possess. Lord PALMERSTON—I did not say so. Mr. GLADSTONE said he would pass to another branch of the case. In another part of the treaty of 1670, it was clear that they had it in their power to give the Spanish colo nies just as much or as little of the advantages of the treaty as they thought proper. He was very much surprised that the Noble Lord did not quote this passage to the House. The treaty expressly said that both countries could, of their own free will and discretion, measure the degrees, laws, and con ditions of the colonial trade. Colonial trade was expressly mentioned ; they could not, therefore, exclude a colony, and an important one. If they included Cuba, they must likewise include its sugar ; and when they admitted that Cuba sugar came under the treaty, they must likewise admit the power of England to impose a duty upon it as colonial produce. But the treaty of 1814 was conclusive on the subject. By that treaty—he would not say by a cone struction of it, for there could be but one construction put upon it even by the craft and adroitness of a village attorney, or what was still more, the adroitness of an ex-Foreign Secre tary—well, that treaty or convention of 1814 gave:the power of regulating the colonial import duty. But Spain did not at that moment possess the same colonial privileges which had been granted by England to many other foreign Powers. The ebb gation of these treaties was no longer such as to justify one ' nation in nicking demands on the other, and though within two ' years we made such demands on Spain, yet Spain did not allow these demands, nor did England persist in them. He showed that the whole stream of history was adverse to the sh c it e e n ap s r t op r wl u ied e n - . tion put upon the treaties by the Noble Lord, which construe tion was also opposed to facts ; but even if that construction couldto the bp Spanishu t up v n e s t t h e l s n e di t a r e i a m t isesse,shsei possessions u o ld f n t e h t e se s e p h a n o andl ie hoped, (1 1 , w i a c d on s u elu bs s t i a o n n, ti a t t h e a he dt the h a p d o b s i e t e i o n as good n a which hes h t i woos took r u st ; i n the early part of, the eve ning.measure H_ e justified •as sorryto t have h e in t t r r es : passed on the House at such a length, but he tho ug ht the cit.. cums t anc es of the ease . s e en ; and he would conclude by fsoaryiteigr,pethirniaotdth.t_eheh(alicnohdnesoeoerfsr. o a )h n e t! evidence hich the o Right ig ih h e t interests of the country were quite t as Majesty Mr. as B they u h c a E beenß Esaid h at any m e n sa g f t e h at w Hon. Gentleman addressed the Hou se was badness of his case. There was, he thought, no necessity for the employ of all the ingenuity and nicety of argument which the Right lion. Gentleman thought it right to use. The Right Hon gentleman said the sense of the treaty might be semi by any plain illiterate man. But his own argument went to prove the v. ry reverse. He would read Mr. Ashten's letter oti this subject, and Lord Aberdeen's reply, and leave it to the House to sty what construction the Government itself had at a very recent period put upon these treaties.—(The 'ight Hen. Gentleman then read the letter of Mr. Ashton. ) He had neither the disposition nor the will to follow ally point in the Right Hon. Gentleman's speech ; bat thsre was one thing which he must refer to, The Right Hon. Gentleman said that he did not look at the strict letter of the treaties, but that he looked at the ailalogy and at the spirit of the case.— ( Hear, hear. ) Why, that was exactly what he (Mr La• bouchere) wished the Government to do; and if they dic so properly, and in a spirit of justice, they would put epain oft the same footing as the most favoured nation. True it was, that the whole system of politics had since that periotwi which had ed, but they still were bound to respect those treaties fixed the treatment of the subjects of the different oestrus; and though he had not studied the history - of both c ountr i es with the' same dilieence as the Right Hon. Gentleman, y et he thought that sufficient would be shown in its pages to justify them in sacrificing minor consideratiens for the good of Spate. The Right Hon. Gentleman seemed to have adopted the same fallacious reasoning ai Lord Aberdeen, when he described the rights of Spain as specific rights not extending to her colonies. /~. _