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ti., ~ r,--...„..,, LIVERPOOL RACES. (THIS I)AY.) (BY ELECTRIC TELEGRAPH.) Strorgbow Alp Venus filly Knool Knoll' Cnseas Hernandez Harpsichord The Croloth Stakes. I • ••• Mersey Stakes. Cranberry Itdliaa First Triennial Produce Stakes. ... 2 Sefton Stakes. Officious walked over. Second Triennial Produce Stakes. ... 2 ... 3 ... 1 ... 2 ... 2 4- b I7oblitt? Or 0111'4, 4 4 SUN OFFICE, Seven o'Clock. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT (THIS DAY.) HOUSE OF COMMONS. The SPEAKER took the Chair shortly after Twelve o'clock, CONSIDERATION OF LORDS' AMENDMENTS. The Lords' amendments to the Tewkesbury Severn Bridge and Roads Bill, which stood for consideration to-day, wero ordered to be - Wien into considaation to morrow. SECOND READINGS. The following Bills were read a second time, and ordered to be committed:— Bishop of London (Saint Michael's Church, Chester square) Estate. Somvrville'a. or Mills' (Buford Rectory) Estate. RIVER LEE TRUST BILL. Mr. F. MACKENZIE moved pursuant to notice that the evidence of Alfred Swaine Taylor, M.D., 1.R.5., Professor of Chemistry at Guy's Hospital, J. T. Cooper, Consulting Chemist at Guy's Hospital, William Thomas Brands, Professor of Chemistiy, and Dugald Campbell, Practical Chemist, given before the Committee on the. River Lee Trust Bill be printed. After a short discussion the motion was agreed to, the understanding being that the printing was to be at the expense of the tart its and not the public. Several petitions were presented for and against the recent regulations in the Post-office. Mr. COCKBURN presented ten petitions from places in the Metropolis in favour of the Marriage Bill. Mr. WAKLEY presented fourteen ietitions to the same effect from various parts of the metropolis. Mr. B. DENISON presented several similar petitions from places in Yorkshire. RAILWAYS. Mr.COWAN moved, pursuant to notice, f)r returns of the names of the several railway companies against which any charges have been brought by the Commis sioners of inland revenue for arrears of passenger duty, on the ground of alleged note compliance with the 7 and 8 Vic. c. 85, sec 6; copies of correspondence, since the Ist day of July, 1848, between the Lords of the Treasury, commissionkri of inland revenue, or other revenue board, and railway comini3sioners, on the one hand, and any railway companies on the other; relative to alleged nen-compliance with the Act 7 and 8 Vic. c. 85, s. 6, on the part of the said railway cowpaties ; of h tters written, since the passing of the above-mentioned Act, by the railway commissioner?, to any railway com panies or board of inland revenue, or other revenue board, approving of the times of starting the trains of such railway companies, without in the first place being applied' to by the said railway companies for such ap proval ; of any letter written by the i allway commis sioners or board of inland revenue, or other revenue board, to any railway companies, intimating any change cf system on their• part, to guide such railway companies as to the course to be in future adopted by them for obtaining the approval of the railway com missioners of the times of starting their trains, or con taining any caution or warning in consequence thereof : and, of any receipts granted by the revenue to railway companies, for their monthly payments of passenger duty, during the period for which arrears of duty are now charged, stating that such arrears were still due.— Agreed to. MONUMENT TO TEE LATE SIR ROBERT PEEL. Lord J. RUSSELL said—Sir, I beg leave to give no:ice that on Friday next, before the other orders of the day, I shall move that the House do resolve itself into a Committee of the whole House wish the view of considering the following resolution, namely, " That an humble address be pre sense i to her Majesty, praying her Majesty to be gra ciously pleased to give directions for the erection of a monument in the collegiate church of St. Peter's, West minster, to the memory of the late Sir Robert Peel, whh an inscription expressive of the public sense of the great and irreparable loss which the nation had sus. tained in the death of that late Right Fionourable Gen tleman, and to assure her Majesty that this House will make goof the expenses atelding the same."—(Cheers.) With the permission of the llouse, I mill now ni , ,va that the House on Friday next do resolve itself into a Com mittee of the whole House, for the purpose of consider ing that resolution. The !notion was put and carried ntmTne contradicente. BUSINESS OF TIIE HOUSE. _ _ _ Lord J. RUSsELL then stated that after the fore going resolution had teen disposed of on Friday, he proposed to g, on with the Committee of Supply, while on Monday next he proposed to resume the CL.mtnittee on the Ecclesiastical Commissions Bill. WEIGHTS AND MEASURES. On the motion for going into Committee on this Bill, Sir G. PEOHELL did not dispute the propriety of giving additional pos ers to the inspectors of weights and measnres, but he complained that while that was the object of the present Bill, several most useful Acts of Parliament would be abolished by which most of the large towns in the kingdom were governed. He hoped the Government would arrest the progress of the Bill, because he believed it was a piece of legislation which was wholly uncalled for. So ne tny important considerations were involved in the measure that even if the principle were approved of by .the House, it would trot be advisable to press it until the subject had been referred to a Committee of lequiry. He concluded by moving that the Howe should go into Committee on the Bill this day three months. Sir JOHN DUCKWORTH said his object had been to make the Bill as perfect as possible, and for that purpose he had taken the advice and received the assistance of those who were most conversant with the working of the present la v. The working classes were the parties who wou:d be henefi'ed moat by the measure, because they were more liable t) the frauds practised upon the public by the use of deficient weights and measures. He trusted that the House would not accede to the amendment of the Hon. and Gallant Member. He would not wish to take upon himself the responsibility of altering the law on this subject unless be was supported by the opinion of the 113113 , ?. In de ference to the opinion of the lion. Baronet (Sir George Pechell), he had struck out certain clauses in the Bill which were objectionable to him. Sir GEORGE GREY hoped the House would go into Committee on the Bill. He approved of the princi ple of the Bill, which was to assimilate the practice of examining weights and measures throughout the country, inf to make that practice is uriforni as possible, which was not the ease unc'er the existi g law. Mr. PACKS approved of the principle of the Bill, and would vote for the House going into Committee upon it forthwith. Mr. BROTHERTON hoped Vie House would post pone the Committee on the Bill. Mr. E. ELLICE, Junior, Bain this Bill was little known in E .gland, and still less in Scotland, and he thought the country should havo an opportunity of being better acquainted wi h its provisions. He recently presented a petition from the Sr. Andrew's district of Burghs, which he represented, praying that they might be ex empted from the eperation of the Bill ; and should the House ge into Committee on the Bill. it was his inten tion to propese a clate,e with the view of exempting the whole of Scotland from its operation. Mr. DUNCAN expressed his. intenti in to support any motion for exeepting Scotland from the Bill, and of voting at all events for the postp(,ning of the Com mittee. Mr. COWAN hoped the House would postpone the Committee until the next session of Parliament, and that the Government in the recess would take into their consideration a Bill for providing a standard measure. After a &w w.irds from Sir DE LACY EVANS and the ATTORNEY GENERAL, Mr. HENLEY said he was by no means satisfied with this Bill a; it s t o od, b ecause r it proposed to place very extended powers in hrinds far less responsible than at present. Mr. FREWEN hoped that the Hon. Baronet (Sir George Pecheli) would not divide the House ou his amendmPnt. Sir GEORGE PECTIELL consented to withdraw his ammdment, and the House went into Committe?, on the Bill. On clause 1 being proposed, Sir G. PECHELL renewed his opposition to the Bill. 11e obj ec t e d to t h e details of the Bill, and he thought it was in direct opposition to all former enactments. After a f2vv words from Sir G. GREY, Some conversation took place, in w..ich Mr. Henley, Sir John Daekwori,h, the Attorney-General, Sir George E chell, and Iklr. tirotherton took pat. c o binel DUNE asked if the Bill would ex . ,end to Ireland? Sir GEORGE GREY said it would. Colonel .I)I;.NNE 11;:d severel anew means to propose then, but he s h ou ld postpone them till the bringing up of the report. Mr. E. ELLICE, jun., moved tbat Scotland should be exempt from !he operation of this Bill. , Air GEORGE GREY thought the Bill ought to be Oublikrato Eegland only. DUCK Ai ORIII had no desire to force the Bill thind. "NLEY fri( light a Bill that was required for as (godly applicable to tI!Z other parts of the - upon' E4gl4ticis kingdom, and the statement that neither Ireland nor Scot and to be subjected to the operation of the Bi:1 was a strong inducement for him to opp3se the Bill &Reg- then. Mr. SADLETR called upon the Right Hon. ifironet who had ehatge of the B 1t to give a distinct pledge that the Bill should not extend to Ireland. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said in the existing state of the law, and as the Bill now stood, it could not possibly epply to either Scotland or Ireland. Mr. E. ELLICE, jute, under those circumstarces, would not press his am endmmt. Sir G. GREY now suggested that they should agree to the first two chitties, and then report progress, so as to give Government an opportunity of considering whether or no the Bill ought to extend to every part of the United Kingdom. Sir G. PECHELL understood that the original Ace, 5 and 6 Will. IV., applied to every part of the kingdom, but now there appeared to be some doubt as to that. He should, therefore, move that the Chairman-do at once report progress. Sir JOHN I)UCKWORTH was prepared to accept the proposal of the Right Hon. Baronet the Home Sr cretery, but he must resist the motion of the Hon. and Gallant M- mber for Brighton. He only proposed to take the first two clauses. and to strike out all the others. Sir GEORGE PECHELL reluctantly consented to withdraw his amendment. Clause 1 was then agrees to with amendments. On clause 2 being proposed, Sir GEORGE PECIIELL proposed the omission of certain words which compelled local authorities to tramfer their standard weights and mea sures to the clerk of the peace, with the view of inserting certain other words, which would have the effect of continuing the weights and measures of the town co; Brighton and other places in the same custody that feey are at present. The Committee then divided, when there appeared— For the amendment Against i t 126 Majority -122 The clause, with some slight amendment-7, was then agreed to. The HOLI3O then resumed, and the report was or dered to be brought up on Fri,lay next. MARRIAGE BILL. Mr. STUART WORTLEY presented a large number of petitions from various parts of Scutlacd in favour of this Bill. Mr. COBDEN presented similar petitions from dif ferent parts of the naetropoli. Major BERESFORD presented several —petitions from 51 rural parishes in Essex against tie Bill. Alderman SIDNEY presented a petition from the City in ftvonr of the Bill. Colonel THOMPSON presented .several petitions from various parts of the metropolis in favour of the Bill. Mr. FOX MAULE presented a petition from Glasgow against the Bill. Sir G. CLERK presented a petition from the Free Kirk against the Bill. _ _ Is S a g On the motion that the Bill be read a third time, Mr. WALPOLE said he thought the Bill was revolt. ing in principle, and could not fail to be fatal in its consequences. It had been viewed hitherto in two points of view; the first was a religious, and the second a social point of view • and he could not help expressing his regret that this Bill had not been first introduced in the House where the religious bearing of the question could be fairly d'sposed of. In the absence, however, of any decision from that branch of the Legisla ture, the House was bound to grapple with both points. Well, then, in his opinion there were great religions objections which ought to preclude them from passing this Bill. I; was doubtful whether it would produce much good, while it was no less certain that it must encourage immorality, and the safest course fee- the House to adopt was to throw out this Bill altogether. The prohibitions which the Bill referred to were founded upon principles of morality end sanctioned by the Scriptures. True, holy writ only conVmpleted the male in commanding that a man should not marry his brother's widow, but according to all Ecclesiastical authorities the prohibition ap plied just as much to the female as . the male. And it was natural that it should do so. He would not put it positively that these mar riages were prohibited by the Deity, but deal with it as a matter of doubt. Now, how were they to solve that doubt? Why, only by referring to the plat. For 15 centuries,_ then, these marriages had been prohibited by every Christian community. Look to the €a 3, west, north, or south, and they found that this prohibi tion had never been departed from till the time of the infamous Pope and debaucheie Alexander the Sixth, seho granted a dispensation to the King of Portugal to enable him to marry his deceased wife'S sister. It was a cardinal rule to take that course which !;clnaitted of no doubt, and as it was more than doubtful that these marriages were forbidden by the Creator, the House ought to reject this Eill upon religious grounds. He came now to the social part of the question. It was said that this prohibition interfered with the exercise of civil liberty, but before they could enter upon that branch of the controversy, they must first decide what liberty was—to what extent it should go, because if they were to pass this Bill upon the plea of liberty, why should it not for the same reason extend to other cases of prohibition? The liberty, however, which could sanction such a measure as this was vicious in the extreme, and he hoped no such argu ment as that would weigh with the House in disposing of this measure. Another ground urged in favour of this Bill was, that it would give orphan fa milies better protection than they now eejoyed. Let the House pause before it was led away by such an ar gument as that; let it remember the mischit f and vices that would be encouraged if the husband were taught to look with longing eyes and evil passions at his wire's sister, or, on the other hand, if the wife's sister were inflamed with the hope tl at she might one day become the wile cf-her sister's husband. As for conferring benefit upon the children, every body kuew that the feeling of a step-mother for her husband's offspring was not always of the warmest or most af fectionate character, while the situation of an aunt gave birth to a charitable and motl'etly solicitude for the welfare of a sister's orphan children. The Bill, in fact, was fraught with danger, it could only benefit a selfish few. Pass and there would be no end to the in roads that would be attempted upon the es. ablished laws. At present the law was re spected ; it protected society from frightful abominations, but deny the Divine rule that man and wife were one in blood, and who should say where the injury would stop? As they valued the social and reli gious institution of marriage—as they wished to see society uncontaminated with a fright ul vice, he begged and implored the House, even at this stage to stop the further progress of this and in or der to give the House an opportunity of doing so, he should move that the Bill be read is third time this day six months. Colonel THOMPSON depreeated dealing with this question upon theological grounds ; it only led to con tuaion, and never gave satisfaction. He took issue with those who contended that these marriages were prohibited by the Levitical law, though he did not dis• pute that until political laws were established they were not tolerated. The moment, however, that political laws Waked force, so fir from such marriages as these being forbidden, a rich man was bound to wed his deceased brother's widow, while, in the time of the Great Author of Christianity, our Saviour did not dispute the legality of such marriages when be was asked if there was any hope of salvation for a woman who had married seven husbands. The fact was, in disposing of this question upon theological grounds, they were dealing with phantoms, for he could call to mind no passage in the Scriptures or in Montesquieu which declared that there was affinity of blood between a man and his wife's sister. It was there twe ridiculous to tell him that these marriages were incestuous. According to his judgment they would benefit rather than injure society, end he should cer tainly vote for the third reading of this Bill. Mr. M'NEILL would not enter into the religious con troversy which had been raised by the previous speakers, he would simply confine himself to expounding the feel ings of Scotland upon this measure. They be• lieved it to be opposed not only t) civil but religious law, and it the House passed this Bill it would he tantamount to telling them that their construe don of the Scriptures was false. But why should these marriages be forced upon the people of Scotland because some 1,500 violators of the present law in England re quired it to be passed? It was one cf the arti c:es of religious profession that these marriages were prohibited by Divine law, and in the face of that fact it would be an act cf cruelty to force a Bill of this suture upon Scotland. He therefore pro • tested against the passing of the Bill, which ought to be resisted upon every ground of principle, morality, and excellency. Mr. STUART WORTLEy said the Bill had already undergone suchft from necessarymanantn.idolnifeuodulrfeb the I li mt Hohdiscussionsdotuoayset,irtebswup would us lsdt afterh ba a et t it awoi lyaset length a h s ad h fallenar di upony e m u a l p i n a e b ( je si negligence ient Now on t they is to e altogether re mained this Bill, how were they to deal wish thedisas ha i l d rO s u s s state things which the existing law Up to 1835 the legality of these marriages had given rise to none of those ebuptereoduced? about which they had heard so much, and he really thought before the House suffered this Bill to be negatived i n its last stage, they should require its opponents to suggest some other alternative for removing the evils of the existing law. His Hon. and Darned Friend ne Member for Midhuret 'admitted that the Divine law upon the subject of these marriages was doubtful. Well, if it were so, would it not be impious in Parliament to pronounce, through the medium of an Act, what were the intentions of the Deity ? In this admitted state of doubt would it not rather be much better to lease the matter to the consciences of men, or bodies of men, or of churches? So much, then, for the religious portion of the subject. With regard to the social part of the question, he really could nut understand how this change should lead to so much vice and evil, when be remembered that in America, where these marriages were general, they prouuced no such results. Now he did nut believe that the English women were less moral than those of America, and, therefore, so tar from think ing that this Bill would ha the pr cursor of profligacy and vice, he was convinced it would promote the happi ness and moral well are of large masses of the community. He was then called upon to pay respect to the leople of Scotland—he had ever dents so, and if he thought the measure was repugnant to their feelings, he would not persevere with it. But what was the fact? %mw by the whole of the measure having been made known to that dis criminating people, petitions had loaded the table of the House from Edinburgh, Glasgow, and other parts of Scotland in favour cf she measure. He was disposed to pay every attention to the wishes of the people of Scot land, and if the old law with reference to marriak,e in that country was still carried cut, he should be content to exclude it from the provisions of this 13il1. IMr. F. MAULE could not aliow this Bill to pAss its stege without objecting to its provisions being ex ten,led to Se9tlAnd. He also objected to it 'ss r far as it rckted to Eugla,ucl, because he b+ lip. its pnvisicris would had to the worst results, and would bo a great etm:uraAealent to bigamy. The Right Hon. Gentb man, in his opinion might as well have brought in a Bill to rcpe sl the laws with respect to bigamy, because old soldiers were in •he habit of marrying wives sbrosd, forgetting thst they had been previously married at . home. His countrymen, to a man, were against the measure, be coincided entirely with their feelings, and he there fore felt bound to vote against the third reading cf the Bill. Mr. C. ANSTEY supported the third reading of the Bill. Mr. WESTIIEAD supported the Bill. After some obmervatii ns from Mr. MOORE, Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the House divided, when there appeared— For the amendment ... ... 134 Agaii,st it ... ... 144 Mejority against the tmendment —lO The amendment was cons(criently lost, and the Bill was then read a third time. On the question that the Bill do pass, Mr. OSWALD [Loved the addiion of a clauEe, to the effect that the Bill should not extend to Scotland. The House divided upon the introduction of the clause, when there appeared— For the clause ... ... 130 Against. it ... 137 Majority against the clause ... —7 It bring past, Six o'clock, the House adjourned, without the question of the passing of the Bill being put. STATE OF TRADE. (From the Manchester Guardian of this day.) MANCHESTER, TuEsnaine--The buyers of yarns have mauitested an increased disposition for business to-day, and would evidently have operated very freely, could they have done so at the prices of lost week. The spinners, however, have again raised their quotations, and maintained them with the utmost firmness. We may state the realised advance, as compared with this day week, at id. per lb., in all qualities of mule and wa•er, from No. 40's downwards, whether in the bundle, the warp, or the cop. Fur No. 60's and upwards, both sing'e and double, higher prices are also re quired. Although this rise has curtailed the day's transactions, still their aggregate amount has been con aiderable. The continu- d upward tendency in this de partment of our market is attributable to several causer, viz., the growing conviction that cotton will range high for some time to come; the lightness of stocks both at home and abroad; and the augmented demand which the full employment of the vast weaving power of the district has Latterly occasioned. The makers of long cloths, T cloths, and domestics are still hardening in their terms. Some improvement is showing itself in 7-Bths printers, of good and medium qualities ; and also in 9-Bths 60's and upwards, for printing and bleach ing. For 40-inch 64's higher prices are likewise re quired. The sales of these various articles are of fair extent, on the whole; but low 7-Bths printing cloths are still neglected, as are also light 40-inch shirtings—in both, however, there is greater firmness. In the ware houses of the dealers there has been an active demand for printed and finished goods. ROCHDALE, MONDAY.—We have had a good demand for flannels to-day, and the manufacturers are wanting rather better prices. The wool market is better, and the dealers are asking higher prices fur English wools. Co lonial wool is much the tame as it was on the previous Monday. MACCLESFIELD, TIIESDAY.—We have to report a quiet market for goods generally, buyers and sellers hold leg back, the latter for prices somewhat in proper den t) the present cost of raw material ; and as there seems every probability of things remaining very firm, we think ere long buyers will make up their minds to cr me in fir their usual purchases. The throwing trade is much as Wore; a little more inquiry for some de scriptions has arisen the last few days. The dyers are better employed again. The raw silk market is charac terised by great firmness, and some considerable business was transacted during last week. HUDDERSFIELD, TUESDAY.--The improvement we had the pleasure of repotting last week has bean pretty steadily maintained during the week. The market has not been perhaps quite so lively to-day, although there were a good many buyers. The price of wool has been advancing. HALIFAX, SATURDAY.—There is no noticeable change in the aspect of our Piece Hall today, the chief in quiry being still, as before remarked, fur low lastings. Those of a finer quality are scarcely looked at. The yarn trade is brisk; and the quotations have under gone a farther improvement. There is a large stock of wool in the market, as the dealers are buying largely; but the spinners are indisposed to give the advance which they are asking, and consequently not much is going into the hands of the consumers. LEEDS, TIIESDAY.—SiI:Cd our last report the market has been well attended, and the - cloth trade in general still continues active. Stocks are very low in the makers' hand., the clothiers being very busy with orders for the merchants. There is a fair average business doing in the warehouses. Sir Thomas Wilde has been appointed Lord Chancellor. He will for the present fulfil the duties of the office in Court and in the House of Lords, but he will ultimately be appointed solely to the duties of the Lords. He takes office subject to all arrange ments. ' MASSACRES AT THE SANDAL tt OOD 1 , 14 .1 NDS. (From the .Hobart Town Herald.) In the Herald of the 12th instant an account was given if the voyage of the Elizabeth schooner to New Caledonia, and the account brought by that vessel, led to the supposition that not only had the party at Mr. Fitzgerald's beche-la-mer fish ing establishment, at the north end of the island, been driven away or massacred, but that the French Mission establistanent, at Yengin, or Beladeh, had shared the same fate. The Mary Anne schooner, which arrived yesterday, brought further accounts, w hich we regret to state are of a most melancholy character. The superintendent of Mr. Fitzgerald's establishment, Mr. David W. Miller, arrived by the Mary Anne, and by him we have learned the follow ing particulars : Feejee Islards, 1849.—0 n the 10th July we sailed from Cantate Harbour in the Mary cutter, for B lade Harbour, New Caledonia, in company with the schooner Minerva and the Sir John Franklin. We arrived there after a passage of 21 days. On the 12th September, the Mary returned to Balade to look for the Sir John Franklin, which vessel she ex pected to find had returned there from Sydney. On arriving there Capt. Roby, of the Mary, sent a boat with Robert Hall, an American, and a native af Rotumah to procure water. On getting up the river they were attacked by natives and killed. Aler this, two natives came on board the Mary, under pretence of selling fish ; the cook went down into the hold to bring up some yams to exchange for the fish, and the captain's attention having been drawn to the fish in the canoe belonging to the natives, they split his head with a tomahawk; then they killed the cook as he was coming out of the hold. The only man now left alive on board the Mary, was a Rotuinah man, whom the natives would not eat, because of a disease in his eyes which rendered him almost blind. They cooked the bodies of the captain and crew ashore, and ate them, after which they burnt the vessel to the water's edge. This is the statement of the Rotumah man, who managed to make his escape from the cannibals to Yengin, and who related the facts to Mr. Miller, who now takes up the narrative in person, and who writes from Mr. Fitzgerald's esta blishment :—On the Bth Sept., we net having heard of the loss of the Mary, Mr. Fitzgerald sailed for Sydney, I being left in charge of the beche -la-mer expedition —the party consistiag of Jahn Blake (an American), nineteen Feejee men, one Rotumah man, and Abra ham Silver (an East Indian). On the morning of September 20, the natives brought me some grass for thatching, and appeared on very friendiy terms. About noon, from 300 to 400 of them assembled, and rushed upon us with spears and clubs. We took to our arms, with which we were enabled to keep them off till about 4 P.M., and two being killed and a num ber wounded, they retired, John Blake, the Ameri can, refusing to fight, and holding a correspondence with the natives. 1 took his gun (tam him and gave it to one of the Fejee men. The natives continued quiet until the 11th of October, when a large body of 800 or 900 natives assembled and commenced an attack on our settlement, which they maintained with great determination from eleven in the morning till sunset. One of the Feejee men was wounded with a spear, and I had several very narrow escapes. The natives had surrounded our hut, and were calling out to John Blake to set fire to it. Several of the natives being killed and a number wounded, we made a rush at them, and shot their principal chief, on which they all ran away. Oa the follow ing day, finding that our Feejee natives had lost heart, and were constantly crying, we thought it was best to prepare to leave, as we could nut have stood another encounter with the natives, our ammunition being nearly ex pended,pantdheoncotalet,l4th of October we took th boats and started f or Y eng in . Having yams and water we pulled os u ab n rli t id i g l eb w da e nuk a s r tt r oo i v rr e ee d tcark a u t ei t Balade.ifoowltl hh o r • e e b d otahtve : neoan a tet b i hv o eeo u snf t a v ‘lt 2 ati : an c O idekeh i ed ia d t o i ai v 1 beingne sda, very leaky we left behind. .... ~.. We then pulled to the south-east, the wind being contrary and blowing strung; during thd night I misses: one of the boats, and r4n to the hie side of a small island where there were no natives. We were obliged to remain here for four thys, it blowing and raining very hard. The weather having rnAleratei, we pursued our course to Yengin, and during the pas sag►e picked up two natives from the niising beat the others having most likely been cast ashore and t ken to the bush. _ _ On the 25th of October we arrived at Yengin, after being eleven days in the boat 3, and were kindly re ceived by the French missionaries, and remained with them until the arrival of the schooner Mary Anne, when the B"Aop granted us a passage to Anatam, from which place Captain Pdden was kind enough to give me a pa. age to Sydney. I do not think the natives• wL - aild bore attacked us had they not been encfureged to do . Fo by the man Blake, who 6tvie a boat and de-crudfr6rn the schooner Vanguard a abort time previously, and had been livLg with the natives since. CCITOK'S BAY, ERROMANGA.—Extract from the leg of the Rover', Bride, dated 11th December, 1840: Light breeze; schooner Rosetta in company. At 7 A.M. lowered the boat, and sent the first and second mate to trade f - ir sandal wood at Mallaby and Bun kett, the vessel cruising between those places. At two P.M. Mr. Banner, first mate of the R ose tt a , came on board, and stated that he had some suspicions that one of my boats was taken by the natives, he having been trading at Effoo, a place about two miles distant from Bunkett, and that about noon tine natives of that place gave over tiading, and informed him that the Bunkett tribe had taken a boat and killed the crew of five men. Tne Effoo natives then went in the direction of Bunliett, taking with them their tomat , aviks and other weapons. On which Mr. Banner returned to the Rosetta, and informed Captain Ed wards. In the meantime Mr. Dill, who had been trading at Bunkett, and had seen the Rover's Bite there trading with the natives on very friendly terms, went back to the Rosetta for more trade, and on his return to Bunkett found no natives but two, who brandished their spears, and said, "No wood to-day.' The Rover ' s B ide's boat was gone, and Mr. Dill having returned to the Rosetta, and in formed Captain Edwards of his trip, that gentleman immediately sent Mr. Banner to inform Captain B-11 of the Rover's Bride: Captain Bell immedi ately made a signal to his other boat at Mallaby to return to the ship, and on her arrival he dispatched her with two extra hands ' in company with th e Rosett a 's boat, to ascertain the facts. On their return at 7 P.M. they made the following statement:—When the boats arrived at Bunkett the crews landed, leaving one man in charge of each. On examinig the beach they found it strewed with portions of hair and patches of blood; they then proceeded up the river as far as possible in the boat, and, on landing, discovered one ton of sandal wood besmeared with blood, near which was the stump of a tree literally covered with blood, portions of flesh, hair, We, and which from its appearance seemed to have served the purpose of a block for this human butchery. Near the stump was found a pistol belt and canvas pistol-bag ; no natives were seen, and not a vestige of the boat save the anchor-buoy. Finding that nothing further could be • ascertained they took the sandal-wood and returned to the vessel. Captain Bell then consulted with Captain Edwards, and it was deemed best for the Rover's Bride to proceed to Anatam, and the Rosetta to continue cruising about Cook's Bay for five days, in case anything further should transpire. On the Sunday prior to the mes• nacre the chief of the Bunkett tribe was on board the Rover's Bride, received some presents, and appeared on the most friendly terms. Bunkett is a small boat harbour and creek, on the south entrance of Cock's thy, Erromanga. The following is a list of the names of the men killed:—Mr. ,Wn3. Jordan, first mate, of Berwick-on-Tweed; John Allen, of Liver pool; Frederick Gardener, of London; John Bur rows, of Glasgow; and Edward Ward, of Bristol, seamen. MORTALITY in the METROPOLIS NUMBER OF DEATHS FROM ALL CAUSES REGISTERED IN THE WEEK ENDING SATURDAY, JULY 6, 100. Fpidemic, Endemic, and Contagious Diseases ... 1'159 Di3cases of Uncertain Scat 38 Tubercular Diseases ... ... 168 Diseases of the Brain, Nerves, and Senses... ... 112 Diseases of the Heart and Blood-vessels ... .... 33 Diseases of the Lungs, and other Organs of Respiration ... ... .•• ••• ••• ... 70 Diseases of the Stomach, Liver, and other Organs of Digestion... ••• ••• •• ••• •• • 57 Diseases cf the Kidney s, &e. •• , ••• ••• 9 Childbirth, Diseases of the Uterus, &e• ... ... 8 Diseases of the Joints, Bones, and Muscles ... 10 Diseases of the Skin, &c. ... ... ... ..• Malformations... ... ••• ••• ••• ••• 3 Premature Birth ... ••• •• ••• ••• 32 Atrophy ••• ••• ••• ••• ••• ... 25 Old Age ••• ••• ••• ••• ••• „. 31) . .. Sadden ••• ••• ••• ••• 7 Violence. Privation, Cold, and Intemperance ... 25 Causes not sptclfied ••. ••• ••• ••• 3 DLATHS FROM ALL CAUSES 794 Population Deaths in corro- Deaths Enumerated, spondink week in the 1841. of 1849. Week. %Vest Districts... 301,189 .. 130 ... 136 North Districts.. 376,568 .. 196 ... 146 ':,eutral Districts 374,199 ... 183 ... 119 East Districts ... 393,067 ... 194 ... 166 south Districts.. 503,346 ... 367 ... 227 Totals... ..... 1,948,369 ... 1,070 ... 794 Males ... . ... ... ... ... 406 Females ... ... ... ... ... 388 BIRTHS IN THE WEEK. Mules ... ... ... ... ... 640 Females ... ... ... ... ... 607 Total ... 1,247 sln this number are included 20 by Scarlatina, 35 by Typhus Fever, 40 by Dic.rrhcea, and 1 by Cholera. CITY OF GLASGOW BANKING COMPANY.—This banking establishment held'their annual meeting on Thurs day. The report entered fully into the transactions of the company for the last year, and declared the usual dividend of six per cent. The rest now amounts to upwards of 120,0004 IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, July 9. The Earl of MALMESBURY presented petitions from Ilfracombe and from 11oniton in favour of au alte ration in the law of parochial settlementv. Petitions were presented in favour of a Ten Hours' Factory Bill, by Lord Beaumont from Manchester, and by the Bishop of Oxford trims Rochdale and various other places in Lancashire; by Lord Brougham, from Ashton, and by Lord Beaumont, fr,m Great Yarmouth, in fav,ur of they County Court., MD. The report o 1 the Manchester Rectory Bill was brought up by ti.• Earl of Sr. GERMANS. It was understood that the Committee had decided against the 1311 ou the ground that it should be a public and not a private measure. A brief discussion then took place in which the Bishop of MANCHESTER, the Earl of POWIS, and other Noble Lords took part, and the sulij-et then dropped.i The Earl of WILTON presented several petitions from places in Lancashire, praying that the House would not piss any measure infringing on the principle of the Ten Hours Act. The Earl of LONSDALE presented petitions from Barnstaple and Lityn, c implaining of the powers vested in the Hoard of Lord BROUGHAM presented a petition from Old ham in favour of an efficient Ten Hours Bill; also se veral petitions from Aberdeen and other towns in Scot land in favour of the Bill for the removal of obstructions in the corn trade; also a petition from Ashton Keys, c i )betd rAh o i r ee d e e n eaty 3 n r i r ' meh l ;g y dap , a d t lf: i r r i b l i o( ) r e m rn : a d i en i cle s o' Irtkbatteeaatt beyond extension Cs d :O h ni r a t a s i c :O i so nf t itn i l ' i s fi l gt a i: nis m d e e ee d m p d jr Trea;euia:nsr:oitteis.nifddQe They imprisoned t en i i) hy t o e i h e n e t i I:esnfoeQobi county ti e ; d r nv i of the length of time d e Prison in Seuthwark, complaining had appliel for an interim order. They must ba considered either as having money and having refused to pay th e legiti mateto allow inquiries claims°n th them, be . fjr i having n a s s titnted into i o their mpr po improperly declined The report on the Benefices in Plurality Bill was agreed to with certain amf niments. The Earl of RODEN presented a petition from the working classes of Birmingham, signed by upwards of 4,000 individuals. against Sunday labour in the Pee:- office; also a eetition to the same effect from Dablie, signed by 6,500 persons, among whom were limey of the most resp , e)table iehebitants of that city ; betel also a vast number of similar petitions from various portions of the United Kingdom. On the motion of the Marquis of LANSDOWNE, the Commons' amendments of the Lords' amendments in die ,Drainage and Improvement of Lind Advances Bill, were ugreed to. PARLIAMENTARY VOTERS (IRELAND) BILL. The Marquis of L NSDO W NE, in moving the adop tion of the re2ort on the Parliamentary Voters (Ireland) Bill, stated that he did not then mean to move any altt retion of the amendments which had been introduced into the measure by their Lordships in Committee. He thought it desirable that the amendments should be printed, and that they should atterwarde be con sidered on the third rea ling. L was proposed to carry out the measure so as to have it come int) opt-ration ion the summer of - 1852. In conclusion, he thought the moat convenient coarse which their Lordships could then adopt ua4 to have all the amendments which had been proposed incorporated with the Bill, and to have the Bill reprinted, and they could be fully cen sielered on the third reading of the Bill, which he in ided to fix for next Friday. H e hoped the report we uld then be agreed to. A. long and desultory conversation here ensued on v arious details of the Bill, aid severel suggest. d ai cFtional amendments, in which L ird Redesdale, Earl 'Grey, the Mtrvie of Laeedowne, Leril Menteagle, the Earl t f Gleoged, Lerd Ciarine, Sce , took part. Tee report eels then receiv d, and the third reading xed for Filly. :reading of this 11:11, which teel f o r i t s oh j ,et the affed- The m E etrq L , E 3i C s r o i c () L N A s s c s m i ( E ) Lm m ) o ß v l e l d .L. the second :tog greater facilities to the conduct of el. etiorie in One of its miiu features was the establishment of :Ada itional polling plrlees. The Earl of S I'. GER-11ANS wes understood no to ct to the principle of the 13111, but thought its Par ititieneetary leneth was more than need Le. The Rut' of mouNrcAsnELL said he would not •oppete the prop.)sed mea-ure, ho thought it would be : rather an improvement than otherwise, upon the present :system. There sere various amendments which he in itc "(4 introducing into the Bib in Committee. One w as to tte effect :hat any religious pereen interf:qing in en election, whether in the ceercioa or restraint of a voter C,1130 t pull, should tie guilty of a m;sdc no:r. a clauses, of Therewer e s o me ether atnei e lmente in detail in. sa v which he gave notice of his int'4n tion introduce. EVENING, JULY 10, 1850. Aftfr Ltv Lard i:SONTEAG • Efal Cif GLENGALL : 1.3:11 F: J 3 read a 3.2e',3:1(1 and ori 7 ervd underitos.4l) to be c;. , ,en - dt:ctl Tht.r.4=.l next. LIVERPOOL WATEIZWORIC: 2 I BILL The Earl of - LIAR:110 \V By p; ; -: t ; 3. I.w.ition fiord LivPrpoil compluitdo; tlibt eectai , . Tarepayers tti t.f:e nnuabur of 50,000, had praytd t mittee of their Lord hips had been refused. The E3rl of LIARDSVICKE &fended the condo& of the Committee, and said that afrtn- an attet,ti.ve ex amination of itte ;acts of the case , , they h?.d came !o the conclusion that it was Wterly impossible to receive the petition in question as that of the ratepayers of Liver pool. fiwur cr Cr take al WiSCr c.ntrsC; tipm to o,ct: ink; r,m3 gre ilk 111 Tumult could not tine recess in mita.- seheme of Prtrliadaentaty refe!m. But if they sikhce on the subject, they 1 . %u1 , .! r( , ',:r:11, and deserve V:e cenalre of the prrti=teu etray the C.1113C peup!e.—(tjhe. - 2r.) Mr. , H. DRUMMOND said the Honourable Gentleman who bad jest =at down spoke of having teAed the feeings of the p, , opleot This country. He tai ho have said with more ptoveiely-that he had been, not a tester, but an exciter of thdr te•eliogs.—(Und laughter.) He (Mr. Drummond) had no doubt there was excitement in the country, for that party to whom the Irmourable Gentleman said the Noble Lord owed his situation had cane forward and plainly avowed that the measures which they looked for were fbr the -purpose' of establi.shing a r,public.— (No, no.) An Honourable Gentleman opposite stated, at a certain meet inz, that he had armed himself with many extracts from the speeches of the Honourable Member for Buckingham shire, and remarked that they were handy as po,:ket-pil tils to tire off as occasion might serve. Taking counsel from that Honourable Gentleman, he (Mr. Drummond) had also about him sonic extracts from the speeches of Honourable Gentle:nen opposite. Some of those Gentle men wo:11,1 prib,bly feel themselves somewhat embar rassed when they heard those extracts retorted on them. They might feel somewhat like the " struck eagle," when he— " VieW3 his own feather on the fatal dart That driut l / 4 5 the liie• blood of his bleeding heart. Keen were is pangv, but kee:ter far to feel nursed the pinion that impelled the steel." What did Honourable Gentlemen opposite mean by "liberal measures?" Did they mean any other than those which would exclude the Crown and t'ai aristocracy? They had charged Honourab'e Gentlemen on the Opposition benches with not having had she courage to advocate distinctly within the walls of that House those principles which they Itai advocated in the country during the last vacation : hut that surely was an imputation which could be fairly brought against thermelves on the queslion of the extension of the franchise. Their speeches were evidently delivered with the view of pleasing their constituents. Now, his belief was that no man could do his duty in that House who stopped to deliberate whether the votes that he might give or that the speechi.s which he might make, would please his constituents or not.—(Cheers.) And his ex perience whilst he had a seat in that House convinced him that those ainonget them who were the least attentive to, and who were the most dead and insensible to, everything worthy of the name of duty were the men who had been influenced by the petty vanity of desiring to have a seat in that House. And he also believed, that when the Govern ment desired to carry any measure of reform, such men were the greatest obstacles with which they had to contend. The advocates of this extension of the suffrage said that the end which they had in view was an equalisation of the taxes. He should be exceedingly glad if we could have an equalisa tion or the taxes—( Rear, hear)—and he hoped that the Go vernment might be forced during the next session of Parlia ment to bring forward some gee v rail and homogeneous system of taxation by which we should be freed from the anomalies under which we laboured under the existing system. - (Hear, hear.) But he really believed that gentlemen who to: k upon themselves the trouble of perambulating and agi tating the country had ulterior objects in view; he be lieved that they desired to effect some more sweeping change than a mere equalisation of the taxes. They wanted, they said, "equality,'' which, of course, meant equality of property, or, in other words, the destruction of property— (No, no)—and consequently there would be nothing but starvation for all.—(Hear, hear.) There could be no doubt that they wanted "equality," as that word was understood in France. They wanted to introduce a system based on a thorough contempt for the experience of mankind.—(Hear, hear.) They wanted to evolve out of their own brains a scheme of government which should set the experience of all past, as well as the present time, at defiance. The Hon. Member concluded. by saying, at the came time he did not think the motion of his Hon. Friend involved all the en larged views which he (Mr. Drummond) had taken of the question of reform as it was dealt with by Hon. Gentlemen on the Government. side of the House. As it stood upon the paper, the motion was simple enough. It was the same that he hid advocated previously, and therefore he could not re fuse to advocate it now; but while he gave it his support, he begged it to be distinctly understood that he did not do so with the same views as those who merely regarded this mea sure as a narrow point of the wedge which they were desirous of inserting for the purpose of effecting changes of a far more important character. Lord DUDLEY STUART rejoiced that the Hon. Gentle man was at all events going to support by his vote, if not by his speech, the cause of the people. The Hon. Gentleman as serted that the advocates of liberal measures desired a repub lic. lie entirely repudiated the charge ; nor did he think that such a thing as a republic was desired by the people of this country. All they sought was a full and fair representation. Did any one think that the House of Commons, as at present constituted, enjoyed the confidence of the people? The mo tion was a step in the right direction, and he would therefOre give it his support. He regretted that his Hun. and Gallant Friend (Sir De Lacy Evans) had withdrawn his inure coin prehemive measure. He wished to see the franchise bestowed on all who contributed to the poor-rates. With respect to the charge of agitatioe, they were determined to agitate till they had secured a fair representation ; and he felt convinced that the agitation would ultimately accomplish its object. Did the Noble Lord at the head of the Government think the repre sentation in a .-atisfactory state? Plainly not; for he had let drop a few significant words not long since which indicated an intention to enlarge the franchise. The people now de minded the boon qaietly and calmly; but were they sure that this feeling would remain the same in troubled times? The true policy of those who wished to maintain the country in a state of prosperity was to grant this measure, and grant it in time. He hoped his Noble Friend would take this oppor tunity of declaring his views, and would promise some great measure for the enlargement of the franchise in the next session of Parliament.—(Hear.) Mr. NEWDEGATE said he was not go'ng to vote in favour 4 f the motion, although it h id been - advocated by an able and intelligent colleague of his on that (the Opposition) side of the House. What did he find ? He found a sweet unanimity prevailing on the other side of the House as to the first resolution. But beyond this the unanimity entirely ceased. No less than three qualifications were proposed, and he and those who sat on the same side with him had there fore a right to expect from Hon. Gentlenren professing liberal opinions that they shou'd at least agree amongst themselves as to what they really wanted. This movement appeared to him to be simply an attempt to put the screw on the Noble Lord at the head of the Government. He (Mr. N'ewdegate) was by no means bound to defend the Whig-Radical Reform Bill of 1832.—( Hear, hear.) Neither was he precluded from considering any well-directed extension of the franchise, being one of the old constitutional Tory party so much de spired by some Hon. Members. This much, however, he would say—he would vote for none of the propositions of Hon. Gentle men opposite until they knew what they wanted themselves. Then it would be time enough to consider what their state ments were word'. For his own part, he did not believe in the existence of any extreme anxiety on the pare of the people for any such change. He was perfectly ready to admit at the same time that that House did not possess the confidence of a large portion of the people, who had repeat edly expressed their desire that the Government would afford them the opportunity of expressing their opinions by the selection of their representatives according to the existing forms of the constitution; but there was nothing like the ex pression of a want of confidence in those forms, or of the pre sent qualification. He could not agree with the Noble Lord who tied last spoken, that because the people were at this moment quiet and contented, this was the time for disturbing their tranquillity by introducing a measure for the alteration of the franchise. There were already disturbing elements enough. Until an appeal had been made to the country by a dissolution, lie had a right to say that all these proposals for a change, coming from the opposite side of the II ,use, ex • pressed an extreme want of confidence in their own position with respect to the present constituencies.—(Hear.) Lord J. RUSSELL said he should vote against the present proposition very much upon the ground which the Hon. Member for West Surrey had assigned for supporting it.— (Hear, hew-, and a laugh.) The Hon. Member said he did not think any considerable mischief could arise from it, be cause at this period of the session it would not be possible to do more than lay the Bill on the table of the House. To deal in so trifling a spirit with the large and important vestion of the franchise, would be neither becoming to the character of that House nor fair to the people. This was quite a sufficient reason for voting against the mo tion, without entering into the merits of the particular pro positien involved in it ; and he felt, moreover, justified in refraining from entering upon it, because its supporters had hardly gone into a y arguments having the least refer ence to that proposition. If they were to deal with the extension of the franchise, it was not in the middle of July that they ought to begin.—(Hear, hear.) He had been invited to a discussion, into which he should certainly not enter at any length, having on a former occasion delivered his opinions fully to the House. The supporters of the motion had treated of matters not a all befere them on the present occasion, such as the number of electors. and their represen tatives, and the usual arithmetical calculations had been gone through, to . show the disproportion which existed in some instances. This was all perfectly true, but it was really time for those who insisted so much on bringing such facts constantly before the House, to point out what inference they proposed to draw from them. -. (Hear, hear.) But if equality ought to be the rule, then he asked them to show the House a plan of those districts into which they prop - :sed to divide the country. Let them exhibit a plan of the squares aed parallelograms into which they intended to divide the country, and then the House would be able to see whether the fort of representation they wished to give was the sort of representation the country wished to have —( heer.) He required this the more because he saw the lion. Member of the Tower Hamlets left out of the represen tation of counties, as if they Lad no importance, had no right to vote, and possessed no claim to respect. In making the county division, they aiti—put the towns on one side, and put the boroughs on the other. They appeared to forget these were such counties as Lincolushire and Devonshire, which had 40,000 electors—a suffleient number to be repre• sensed in that House, and to have their fe•.lings, their senti ments, and their views represented in that House, and repre sented in the divisions which took place in that House.— (Hear, hear.) lie wished the whole of the statement to be made, in order to see how they proposed to disfranchise large counties, and what additional weight they proposed to give to small boroughs. lie begged, when they next brought forward the argument, that they at the same time would bring forward their scheme, so that the House mie,ht see whether it was compatible with our form of Government. And, without entering into the question as to whether the House altogether represented the peoplee-wheth er t h ere were not some inequalities in the representation— an d whether equal representation plight not be preferable to the existing system, he did say that the people were deeply and thoroughly attached to the present form of Government —( Hear, hear)—and had always m a d e i t a coadition, in any reform that might lee contemplat e d i n the constitu tution of that House, and the mode in which the people should elect their representatives, that this reform should be compatible and consistent with a Monarchy and a House of Lords, which form, as well as the Houee of Commons, fundamental portions of the constitution. And when the Hon. Member for the Tower Hamlets, and other Hon. Mem bers, again brought fel - ward this subject, he .hoped the House would first require them t., state what plan they proposed. and next it the result of the proposed plan would In agree a bl e t o th e w i s h es o f t h e peop l e—name l y, whether it would conduce to the maintenance of the pre sent form of government. lie did not wish to Vtl anythisg to what he had before said on the same subject.—( Hear.) The Hon. Member fur the Tower Hamlets said, unless we came forward with a pledge of some plan of reform to be determined upon during the Parliamentary recess, and to be brou g ht forward early next session, he and other lion. Members svoul.l lose confidencein the Government, and then government would no longer exist. He did not f s ;a e me why suc a plan i Governmenth t ' P ot o'lrdd give such a pledge and order to bring it forward next session. • If the Government had not the confidence of that House—if Hon. Geutleme . a thought a change in the Government advantageous , let it take place. That was the natural course of events. They would then see their plan of t' a rliamentery reform brought forward by those in whim they could place confidence, and breught forward in a much better way.—( Hear, hear.) Ile had nothing further to say with respect to the moduli, except that he could not see ntage to be :anticipated, Con ,rringing the —( Hear, hear.) thick the near aproach of the art cva 3 4 good reason for riot enter' Nor did he think the Noble Lorti':; offr,t_ii aAogether satisfactory or suit able. The !,ad complained that the speeches on the questiy: w. rt to 1.1:e point. taut the Noble Lord's 10101! speech , lerehee whatever to the question. I, the po_ti,rt (.1 ,rid were dropped from the clouds "" the p; wi trout any representative governmen t the Lord all his courve—which he exereise 3 always must i.:.,riesly when wrong—(lleac)—would not venture to recommenel the system of representation which now existed in E n gl an d and Ireland. What he and asked, was not a total change of the existing systems be such a correction c f th e present i nequalities as wo uld make the representation nearer that which it ought to be. %% h a t was wante d was to make the berou P and county e. 3 stem of qualification equ and if the Nebl e Lo:d had riot an unchangeable hostility to an ext ens ion of the r,presentatit7w, he could not refuse to support the moderato proposi ion of his Hon. Friend. If the present prorosition were carried, the erica would be to bind the 'Tonle mono elwe'y the constitution as it now stood.—(Cheers.) The Noble Lord, the rejected of Devonshire, twice elected and once rejected by Devon, hire, to its discredit, had fitlt the pine" of a narrow constituency there. Ile had Leen opposed bf the power or the Church, who raised the cry that he iv° l about to bring the Pope into the country again, and to burn heretics.—(On, oh). Had there Leen a widerconstituenci, the ~ ,o ble ',fin? might I.ave renamed th e re re entative one of the large s t c ount i es i n the dom. The Noble Lcru said the people apia•oved of the present eonstitutiort . He did nut credit the assertion. (Cries of '6 Oh! at!) The,e was not more than one person out of every seven wi l° were repre:e tel in this country. It was natural that the sib uarepresentcd sloaild feel discontented with tlyAr po.ition. or, should look to other count r i es w h ere re f orms had occu rred, and desire to see the same reforms extended to this country He would advi-e the Noble Lord not to refer to July as a rent' son fir not entertaining this important question. He was satisfied, if the nu tion of hi s H on . F r i end were taken b p,' would give general satisfaction to the country. Mr. L. KING, in reply, said that independent Members il l that House were very badly used. They were always tainted for not bringing forward specific plans, b u t the moment they did so the Government intervened and pre' vented them from carrying them on. The Noble Lord ViO s hampered by two parties—the one for progress, and the On e which desired to see things remain stationary. The cone' quence was that he did nothing. Ile could say to thew, i ll the language of Captain Macheath— - "How happy could I be with either, Were t'uther dear charmer away; • But while you both teaze me together, To neither a word will I say." .111.7• tani;l . - , Mr. GRATTAN said that the Noble Lord had been': taunted site treating the sulject in a rather jocular" man: er; for his part, he preferred a jocose to a mores Minister.— (llesir, hear.) But if they complained of the state,- of eke representation iu thi s c oun t ry , l et them recollect that in Ireland there were 7,0e0,000 o f people, out of eviller' there were not 70,000 individuals who had a vote. The pe o p l e '' of Ireland would be s a ti s fi e d w i t h t h e constitut i o n V England, but they should receive it; and they would b° satisfied with nothing less. What was their position Thef 4: . had sent up a Bid to another House in which they declare r: that there should be an 81. r a ti ng . I n d e fi ance o f thel d wish a 151. rating had b een i nserte d. Did the Noble Dec. mean to be ;1 .den over after that fashio n ? H e ca ll e d uP°- .; .English gentlemen to sta n d u p f or t h e i r r i g h ts, and no t permit themselves to be thus trampled upon. Mr. DISRAELI then rose and said—l have to a pologis., to you, Sir, and the Hon. Gentleman opp os it e , f or attetnr, ing to rise after he had concluded his reply; but, as the ' bate has been re-opened, and as it has assumed a new pect, I hope I may be allowed to say a few words, althoeg t it was against my original intention to do so. I find that_ an English Reform islember finds fault with The Engl, i° , ll Reform Act, and an Irish Reform Member finds fault e",,` s : the Reform Act fur Ireland. We who sit on this side of „,t," s , House are not responsible for either of those Acts. It' • Noble Lord has a deeper personal and political 10 '; terest in them that we have. In listening to the obser/ S., tions which have passed during the debate, I have been n° l; ' titularly struck with the w an t o f compre h ens i on, w hich; exists as to what our c ons ti tu ti on real l y i s. I 13°,.: *twee - 8 believed that gentlem en on th e ot h er s id e o f t,,'o i 0 - House, whatever might e be th e i r o pi n i on w i t h respect to t n franchise, considered that the constitution had been lue u ee e fled by the privileged c las ses , w h o en j oyed t h e i r privileg''S for the general advantage of the community. We have Throne—we have a H ouse o f P eers, sp i r i tual and ternporai., arid we have a House of C ommons i n possess i on of ce rtaw .. :),. privileges. You m a y i ncrease, en l arge, or diminish t h°s privileges, but still they a re p r i v il eges w hi ch have atoll/0, been enjoyed in the history of this country by a limited Pe r ; tion of the community. We know well what has been t., s: result of such a con s tit u ti on , w h atever may have been material. It has been established on the aristocratic IstiO l ie pie in the widest and the noblest sense of the term. b i gn* always heard it taught by gentlemen opposite that p011b. 4 power and political privilege was obtainable by every he°,:; r and virtuous artisan under the old system, whatever nutty of classes the community was divided into. No class w in, • deprived of the privilege of electing its representatives—fr ond the proudest manorial lord to the humblest artisan in •DP° • , la -d, all were represented. Some years ago, less then, g' quarter of a century, you thought proper to terminate te°r., scheme, and it was so by the Noble Lord the First Minist e e , in his official capacity The measure he proposed was cepted with enthusiasm; it was supported by many gen t .° inert who were then Members o f thi s H ouse, and there is gentleman opposite who has n o t a cqu i re d hi s seat throug h the instrumentality of that measure. They are therefore sponsible,' and ought to be g ra t e f u l, f or t h e Reform 131 j What is your position now? Th ere are a great number . gentlemen who are discontented with that settlement—g e .s . tlemen who were ready to vote that black was white lu support when proposed—gentlemen who went to the coun tr y for the whole Biil and nothin g b ut the Bill. They w ere ° t sponsible; no doubt, they h a d mature l y we i ghed the cif and the attendant circumstances which would be cool; quent on that great political change in a great country'' They no doubt said, W e a t e go i ng to effect a great chang e is , the fortunes of a great c o u n t ry . W e w i ll take care ne t . adopt any measure without due deliberation and careful iao vestigation. We will do nothing rashly, but what We e r. will ha permanent and lasti ng i t h as happened, howe"de that ever since this Bill, th e w h o l e Bi ll, and nothing 110, the Bill was adopted, there h ave b een noth i ng but complaint,; of i•s working. Gentlemen are always quarrelling with t h political arrangement which sent them to this House• big know that I speak the f ee li ngs o f many Members 0 11 t 6. side of the House whe n I say t h at I h ave no suP ers o tioue reverence for the R e f orm A c t. I was not "s.O House when it passed, but if I h a d b een I s h ou ld lir' $ opposed it. It w s a settlement brought forward bY to , party to whom I should have been in opposition from h is o f ricat associations. No doubt, in the supplementary view's A• . that case, the interests of party were not neglected. I do n e e attribute any blame to such a proceeding. If gentleo ever have the opportunity of carry i ng a measure of 'O., kind, which I believe they n ever w ill , they will be qu ite ea titled to do the same. B u t th e i nterests of your parry Wer s 1 ,. then provided for in th e measure you accepted wit h e , thusiasru. I think it a matter to be regretted tha t 3° should have destroyed . th e pr i vilegls of the working, • classes, who were represented under the old system, wit to cut finding out some compensatory scheme „i provide for the loss. But who voted against the workiu„ e ie Why the gentlemen who went for the Bill, the whole P l o i and nothing but the Bill. What I rise for new is to It° ti ) o what Hon. Gentlemen mean. If they mean to say we call .„ , s longer endure the ancient constitution of this countr,3l,., constitution modified by the political estates of the reel,'" if why tnen I say you propose a revolution.—( Hear, bean/ ee . you are prepared to d o so , w h y come forward with you r lineation for a 10/. f ranc hi se i n a county, a resolution wl!titie is aiways met with a congenial amen d ment w hi c h is drawn if found convenent. But none of you do this. , L ,° 00 ,. of you declare that every man is entitled to the suffrage• tt , the contrary, several of y ou r l ea di ng men h ave ma d e decl' e f tions hostile to such a p r op os i t i on . I remem b er a sp eecte' d the Member for the West Riding to such an effe , t• the Hon. Member for Manchester has put a limit upon i 6 There is not one of you who says that a man of full age s e ' s; be entitled to the franchi s e. B r i ng f orwar d your mea sure o tell us what you mean and wh a t y ou want; an d then ... . 6 will be prepared tai meet you. By the settlement which I b P • Noble Lord prop : se d, h e immensely increased the number . and the importanc e o f the Commons of this count r y and, on the whol e , b ene fi c i a l c h anges h av e beg , the consequence of that measure. Although the F ll lie benefit had been the m a i n o bj ec t o f the set t le,i ment of 1832, yet it was a l so ma d e i n a supp l em entsr sense in favour of th e p ower o f t h e party to which eve tio opposed, and by the machinery of the Act, the benefits o , conferred should extend i n a re l a ti ve proport i on as t h e W ig lation extended. One would have supeosed, in listening r• the speeches of Honourable Gentlemen, that eighteen yea ago ago the House of Cetnin'us had actually decided the - ber of electors who were to vote. But what have I he", • both in this H ouse an d out of it? That there was ona working man who wa s v i rtuous arid i ndustrious that ee' l o f • not obtain the franchise. Well, and are the peopl e et England so besotted th at t h ey cannot make the effort, b that they find it necessary to propose some such measure s! 1 this? I am for the sy stem w hi c h would establish i n country a free Government which has confidence in t "„ energy and The higher powers of man. Gentlemen er n / posite would degrade man to the franchise instead raising man to it. lam fur a free aristocratic country (Ironical cheers)--free, because it is so . Th ose Gaoll t .; . men who jeer are ignorant that I use the word not in ' to limited meaning but in its no bl est sense, which is achieve the best add to accompli s h the best.—(Cheer s • We have been told that we are to l ook to France, 01:14 that by the Member for W estm i nster, who has to:, us that in Paris there a re 70 , 0 00 electors, while he has er ij f i 7; 00. But he forgot t o t e ll you Oat for every Parisi° , elector there were tw o b ayonets to keep him down. Ile for• got that the el ec t ors who sent him to this House were the men who for centuries sent men to this House whose ha ln e - e will live in th e hi story of this country—the men who fie - Mr. Fox, Sir F ranc i s B urdeJ 0, and other illustrious names 4 : maintain the snuggle for liberty. To draw a comparis on with such a life aed such a history with that of a fareig li n country was a degradation which I did not think that ev es a reformed House of Commons would tolerate.—(Cheeili f Sir, I have been told that it would be a god thing to ;1 11° e the Government to fight this question out with their sec porters, and in Parliamnitary tactics it would have been so; but I have nothing to do with them. I have 0 0 " . superstitious reverence for the Reform Bill, but I r „ spect the verdict of the nation. Although that arran g e ment was made to promote the attainment of Wb i t r e. power and gratify the lust of Whig patronage, still be.w e contented to abide by it. The Reform Act h a d b ee n ratifie d by the consent of the nation, and should n o t b e disturbed on idle grounds. You disturb it; but what is the real °,7„, cret of all tlase July motions? Why, yo u d o no t trust tf .) constituencies which sent y ou t o thi s House.—(Hear, bell'he' You know well that if you appe a l t o th a t pr i v il ege 0f t ‘t , people, enlarged as it was by the R e f orm Bill , no t one in le d of you would be returned—(Laughter and cheering) - , you think you can in this way manage your constituents; You Yeu think that by thus cobbli ng an d c h ang i ng, an d vehe.ott ing and polishing, the people of England will still sutler to continue Members of P a rli amen t.—(Ch eers ) mere it not the slightest chance of it—(Cheers)—for I believe tu', if the electors of this kingdom con s i s t e d o f ever y f u ll.grnv i „ t sus 'ct of her Majesty, you would still be sent;off.—(Latig u ( .0 and cheers.) I do not believe that a 101., or a 5 / 1 a 21 franchise, or universal euffraee itself, would save f°, ll ' o f (Cheers ) 1 believe that the great mass of the pnoPl e e ts England would remain fait hfal to the traditionary instil l o , of lenelishmen, and declare that, whatever might be the P e , , litical manoeuvre —whatever might be the nature of the 10_ 1 4 ,1 chise—whatever might be the scherne,which you would adopt—they would be for the monarchy—they would be for the empire._ they would be for that constitution which 014 1 ,e them free arid made them eminent; and that they vt °u o f give a great national verdict against that levelling s ysteul„„ : political tergivers a ti on o f w hi ch you are the 'Worn °tar porters.—( Hear, and cheers.) Sir B. HILL remarked that it was usua l , when an e goo. Gentleman brought forw a rd a mot i on for the consideralo of the House, that after the di scuss i on o f th a t motion ere reply closed the debate.—(H ear. ) I n t h e presen t c ase r" was a departure from that custom—( hear, hear) - an Pie traordinary departure..—(H ear , h ear.) Hi s jelonoUr° COAL MINES BILL The Earl of CARTAiLE move 1 the second reading of the Inspection ry . Co.:l Mines Bill; or the tinilmciv;d ing that the cliz,cus.sion on it shc.uld be tztk , Al on going into Committee. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY Cr.if2tight the operation of the 13111 would be mischi,vs, Tiould divide the House against it on a future stige. The Bill was then read a second time, itnd ordetel to be ei - o - nmitted on Thursday next. ME rROPOLITAN INTERIIENTS BILL. The El,rl or CARLISLE moved the order of for the House going ii to Committee ot, the 3tetropoli tan Interment- Bill, The llouse having gone into Committee. Lord REI)ESDA.LI43 moved the inserti.)t, o! a proviso, the purport of which was understood to b. that t-ithing in the Bill should authorhe any party under kgal disa bility to sell to the beard any 'amity mansion, house, gardcn, or Farb. The Earl of CARLISLE said that the proposal had been fully discussed when the Bill was before the Selcct Ctinimittee, and he was inclined to adhere to the Bill as it stood. The House then divided, when there appeurvd— Contents Non-contents 7 Majority ngsin:t ihe proviso ... —1 The Bill wbs then passed through Committee. The General B:pard of Bea't's Bid and ihe Lrw of C..p3right of ll,si i ktn Amendment Bill were read a third time and pasiird. COURT OF CHANCERY BILL. _ On the motion of L,)rd LANGDALiiTic Court o Chancery Bill, after a few words from Lord MON• TEAGLE, way read a vcond time.—Adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS, July 9. NATION AL REPRESENTATION. Mr. LOCKE KING then ro.e to move for leave to bring in a 1111 to make the. franchise in coun ties in England and Wales the same as that in boroughs, by giving the right of voting to all occupiers of tene ments of the annual value of 101. He asked, he mid, for no great measure cf reform. He merely wished to do away with an existing anomaly. He would take the borough of Reigate, in Surrey, and ask why should a 1(1 househo'der of that borough have a hundred and nits ty-eighth share—for there were only 198 electors— in sending a !Member to that House, whilst a person living in a larger and better house at Croydon, and pay ing something short of 501. a year, was not allowed to have a six-thousandth share in returning a Member for East Surrey.—(Hear, hear) He held in his hand a list of twenty-two boroughs which sent forty-two Members to the House of Commons, and in none of which did the number of electors exceed 400. The aggregate of elec tors to those boroughs was 6.885, or, .upon an average, 163 electors to each Member; whilst in the West. Riding of Yorkshire 36,000 electors were represented by only two Members in that House. He thought, then, that as a matter of justice the county constituencies should, at least, be put upon the same footing with the borough constituencies. If they were deter mined to keep the great body of the people outside the pale of the constitution, surely it would have been bstter to have continued the old rotten borough system, with its avowed oligarchies), arists cratical domination. The inequalities which existed in the Parliamentary representation of this country were shocking alike to common sense and common justice. The measure which he now proposed would remove one great anomaly, and palliate the sense of injustice which was created in the minds of tens ef tb )usands of persons who were quite as fit to enjoy !he franchise as those upon whom it was conferred by the li..fsrm Bill. His proposition would also test the sincerity of Hon. Gen tlemen opposite who still clung to protection, and did not hesitate to assert that the great body f the people were in favour of a bread-tax. It would give them the means of trying that question, and trying it with an extended suffrage in those very districts where they said the greatest amount of distress prevailed. For his part, he was quite ready to put that question to the great body of the people, the consumers of articles which, formerly taxed, were now duty free; and he had no doubt if that question were put, the verdict of the people would be one by which the important question of plenty and prosperity, with the assistance of truth and justice, would be permanentl, end he hoped for ever established. In conclusion, the Hon. Gentleman moved for leave to bring in a Bill . "to make the franchise in counties in England and Wales the same a s th a t i n boroughs, by giving the right of vo!inz to all occupiers of tenements of the annual value of lot" Mr. lIUME seconded the motion. The Hon. Gentleman said that the Noble Lord at th a head of the Government had declared that he was willing to go in the path of reform, but he had never yet stated to what extent he would go.— ( Hear, hear.) If the Noble Lord was really favourable to progress, in what way, he asked, could progress be made with less risk and less danger than that proposed by the Hon. Member for East Surrey? The Hon. Member simply proposed that, whereas 101. householders were now allowed to vote in boroughs, the same privilege should be extended to householders of that amount in counties—and he ( Mr. Hume) regarded it as an act of justice to give them this pri vilege. Ile hoped the Hon. and Gallant Member for West minster (Sir De Lacy Evans) would postpone the amend • ment of which he had given notice, and all :vr the decision of the House to be taken upon the motion of the Hon. Member for Surrey. Sir DE LACY EVANS said that if his amendment should be thought to interfere, upon a division, with the motion of the lion. Member for East Surrey, he would at once comply with the wish of the Hon. Member fur Montrose. At the same time he would beg leave to make a few observations in support of his amendment, after which he should be guided by the opinions of his Hon. Friends near him. The propo sition he had to make went considerably further than that of the Hon. Member for Surrey, though in his opinion it did not go by any means far enough. Ile concurred with Mr. Hume in thinking that there was no ground for alarm in an ex tension of the franchise to registered household suffrage. It would be in the recollection of the House that the Re form Bill was not accepted by the Reform party in the country as a settlement of the question, but only as a com promise, to prevent the disturbance of peace and tran quillity. It was taken simply as an instalment. But even if it were an adequate measure of reform at that time, it would not be a sufficient franchise now, for the twenty years which had elapsed since that period had witnessed a greater advance in populto ion and in intellectual and moral improvement in all cl.4sses, and in the humble class particularly, than had ever before taken place within a similar period in this country. The amendment of which he had given notice contained three propositions. lle pro posed to " render the payment of any income or property tax a qualification to vets for Members of Parliament for the county or borough in which such payment shall have been mde, provided that no person shall be so entitled un• less Le shall have been resident far the space of twelve months preceding wiahin the said county or borough, and shall have been duly registered ; also, to render the pay ment of roor-rate as occupier of any premises rated as ef the net annual value of .l. or upwards a qualification to vote for Members of Parliament for the county or bo rough withiu which such premises are situated, provided the person paying such rate shall have occupied such premises for twelve months preceding, and have been duly registered ; also, to render deposits in savings banks of a certain amount a qualification to vote for Mem bers of Parliament, with the provision of twelve months' preceding residence, and of registration ; and of twelve months' preceding duration of such deposits." He consi dered it an unsafe state of things which at present existed in this country, with their legislation not in accordance with the spirit of the age, and a majority in the House of Lords opposed to a reform Government. Even that House (the Commons) was too aristocratic to fairly represent the feelings and opinions of the people at large. As an instance of the working of the system, he might mention that the late Mr. Robins on one occasion, when advertising a fine estate that he had for sale, recounted, amongst its other advantages, that its owner enjoyed political influence over 1,200 indepen dent voters. With respect to the amendment of which he had given notice, he wished to know from the Speaker whether, if he moved it, it would prevent a division being taken on the original motion—a result which,he had certainly no d sire te effect ? The SPEAKER said that would depend entirely on whichever the House would adopt, whether the amendment or the motion. Sir DE LACY EVANS was afraid that, the House would not adopt the amendment, and he begged therefore to with draw it. The amendment was accordingly withdrawn, - Mr. ALCOCK po!nted out the great hardship inflicted by the present electoral system on respectable inhabitants of towns, who in consequence of dwelling in houses under 501. a year rent, could not vote for the county. Such a state of things ought no longer to be allowed to exist. Mr. G. THOMPSON said it would be easy, to show, from evidence accumulated since the Reform Bill, that of all the electoral systems in the world that of this country was the most unequal and absurd. The great majority of the bo roughs having small constituencies sent Members to Par liament, whose elections were not contested, because those boroughs were the property of rich commoners or peers, whose nominees they were to all intents and purposes.e While such a state of things existed there was not a Minister sitting on the Treasury bench in that House who was really responsible to the country; for when Ministers represent ing large constituencies were rejected by them, they did not lose their office, but went to some pocket borough to be re turned to that House—ejected from Westminster they went to Harwich, and th e y were no more responsible to the public at large than if they had returned thems Ives to the House, and walked through those doors by hereditary right. In the list of boroughs, he found that the fifty hy - gest did not return more members than seventy-one of the smallest, though they contained seven times more electors, more than six times the number of the population, and seven times the number of houses rate 1 to the relief of the poor. The result of the system was, that there were voting in that House, and voting upon all the most vital interests of the country, 82 Members representing bo oughe, whose united constituencies amounted to only 19,282 voters, or 63 less than the number of- voters registered on the electoral lists of the Tower Hamlets in 1847. What chance was there fur any liberal measure, or any liberal G.,vernment, in a House so constituted? Would the Noble Lord (Russell) be frank enough to tell them how, in the present state of par ties, he meant to maintain his ground—how he meant to secure to the country the benefit of pest legislation ? The Noble Lord could not effect either object, and the country felt it; and he could assure the Noble Lord that if' he had no intention to improve the representation of the kingdom, he and his adherents must give way to a stronger party, with whom, though the independent Members bad not much sympathy, they would be obliged to vote, as they would be ready to vote with any party who recognised the right of the people to have something like a fair represen tation in that House. He trusted the N o bl e L or d wou l d not let the session close without giving th e country some assurance as to his intentions on the subject —some pro mise of a measure of electoral reform. Among the work- .