The Sun. — London, England, 1851-07-01 00:00:00

THE • s U N, LON DON, - MR. PETO AND FREE TRADE. There are many ports in Ireland which have contended, nerd, A. Towler, and J. Betts, Esqs., met in the Guild- i A paragraph appeared in the Bury Post of last week, the honour of the Transatlantic Packet Station. The I hall, - for the purpose, of hearing the evidence of the stir- f p .. 9 r r etensions of Cork, Long Inland Sound, Bare-haven, I geons, Mr. Nichols, Mr. Norgate, and Mr. Donald stating that Mr. Bell (the gentleman who has so fre- Pretensions Dunmanus-bay, Valentia, Galway, Dalrymple, to whom had been seown the various human quently appearen t.,6 a deputed advocate for Protection h apace, and Tarbert (river Shannon), are in turn remains as they had been found, and who, at the set= at various public meetings of late years), hod stated at a meeting of the Eau Brink Commissioners, that— discussed by the Commissioners. It would appear, time, proceeded to make a careful examination of the " Mr. Yens had lately told him that such was the de on the whole, as though the palm lay with Galway, parts. The inspection lasted about an hour, and the at teriorating effect of tree trade that he had been obliged although that station is not without very many draw- expiration of that time the medical gentlemen entered to reduce the reduce the rental of some land at Lowest 5751. per annum, to backs and disadvantages which do not seem to have oc- the Sword Room, when loft, which two years ago curred to the vivacious imaginations of our Irish fellow- Mr. Peter Nichols deposed—On Saturday last, the produced tib;ects. The Bay of Galway is certainly free from in- 21st day of June instan t , I w as shown the right hand of 3151., the latter being now the real value according to furious tidal influences, but the roadstead which must be a human body by police-constable Daniels. I took the representations of his own surveyors; Mr. leto added i used by the packets is 25 miles distant from those islands charge of it. On th e S u nday following, end also on the that he bought the land at twenty - which guard the bay, and does not offer any suitable Monday, several additional portions of a human body eight years' purchase. d Mr. Ball, knowing Mr. Pete to have been a warm a ived shelter for Transatlantic packets such as would enable were brought u n d er my notice at the station-house. I eate of free trade, reminded him of the fact, and asked permission to make public th e result he had just stated, them to land passengers or take in coal. When the then, with M r . Norgate, made a careful examination of and the said permission was unreservedly given." heavy gales from the W.S.W. are blowing, or the heavy them, and we we re of opinion that they were bones and Believing that the f ac t w ith regard to the reduction Atlantic see comes rolling in, the situation of vessels of other p ar t s o f an adult female. On the 25th and the rental was in all p ro bability true from the opinions of any size which might be lying in Galway roads would 26th d a y s of June instant, additional portions we had heard fro m the Hon. Member, but that the in- be precarious indeed. We should add that though the wer e b ro ught under my notice, and this day I difficulty might be obviated by the erection of a break- h ave , con jointly with Mr. Norgate and Mr. Donald Dal correct, we called Sir. Palo's attentiofereneen e to was notthe water and other works at a heavy expense, even so th e r y m pl e , made another careful examination of the various objections to Galway are not at an end. The navig a ti on o f parts which were brought before us, namely, sever a l paragraph, and we have received the following rep l "Russell-square, June 20, 1851. 7:— the west coast of Ireland is stated by the naval officers portions of the dorsal and lumbar vertebra;, the right os "My dear Sir,—l am much obliged by your letter of examined to be very dangerous, especially i n w i nter . i n nominatum, the eacrum, a portion of the left os femo " The coast from Mizell-head, round to Galway-b a y, is, rte, the right tibia and fibula, the left fibula, the right the 18th inst. "The fact is true as stated in the paragrap h . Thu r e - in nautical language, `steep-to,' there b e i ng IC O f at h om s hand, the right toot, a portion of the right humerus, one ductiun has been made , but it in no way l e ads to the con water at 18 or 20 miles off its outlying dangers. It is patella , various portions of muscle and skin, and one elusion that I am justified in taxing the bread of the comm , also subject to fogs and hazy w ea th er and - to fre- portion of the intestines; and I am of opinion that they nity to keep up my rental. It is equally true that ou quent heavy gales of wind bl ow i ng t o wards a are human remains—that they are the bones of a young anot her estate, with a rental of 4,0001. per annum, the tee shore, with high Atl an ti c seas and very un - adult female. From the general appearance of the flesh re-valuation has not lessened the amount ; but in this certain soundings." Cork i s th e f rees t o f all the Irish it is my opinion that there is evidence of youth a n d ports from these drawbacks; but then the difference in health at the time of death. Some portions of the re- ' case the rental has not been materially- altered daring the length of voyage to New York, whether from Holy- mains appear to have :been immersed in some fluid. the last forty years. .head direct, or round by • from Dublin to Cork, is so This appears to be the case with the foot, the hand, and " I; should be stated, that the occasion on which the fact in the paragraph was mentioned, was at an inter • infiuitely ' email asnot to deserve Cork, which, the part of the pelvis and spine. The portions found in view with the Eau Brink Commissioners, with whom I nautically f speaking, presents the greatest advantages, is the different localities indubitably belong to the same was iu treaty for about a thousand acres of land near that amou e n n t e ofo the Iri s h ports_ which offers th e s li g h tes t person. I consider the individual, of whose remains Lynn, when they cited the value as taken some time ... accelerstion—Velentiet the greatest. The these are a part, may have been dead a fortnight, or per atone, and I naturally referred to the value at the .1 ) . by the dangerous nature of its en- Mr. Norgate and Mr. Dalrymple confirmed this state ado adoption of the last named station is, however, rendered haps longer. quite impracticable present time. meat. " I should add, that I have no reason tccomplain for a trances and approaches. moment of Mr. Ball's stating publicly what occurred. When we turn to the other arguments that have been During the week several persons w h o h ave l ate l y lost " I am, dear Sir, yours very truly, used th rou ghout thediscussion in favourof the Irish ports, relatives have called at the station-h ouse t o ascerto i n if we find none to be . of suffi . tint weight t o c oun t er b a l ance they could identify the remains, but no clue has yet been " S. MORTON PETO." From this letter it is evident that no such inzerence positive evils arising from trans-shipment—none found.—Norwich Mei cury. the re not fairly set aside in the report of the as that intended to be conveyed can be justly drawn. which '- a sioners. It was stated, for example, that fares ROMANTIC SUICIDE OF A — SOLDIER. The real facts are these, that some portion of the Kirt- Commie . , . , would be reduced in con tequence of the lower Tne Cork Constitution gives the following romantic ley estate—the rental of which bad been altered by the high prices before Mr. Peto's purchase —was l e t beyond ra te of insurance on vessels sailing between the west ecco un t of the su i c id e o f a so ldi er i n that city, in the , coast of Ireland and the seaboard of the United States, frenzy of love:— its real value under the present circumstances, and that The statement upon investigation turns out to be a mis- " Some weeks since a private of the 40th Regiment, 1 this bein,g ascertained, on its revaluation Mr. Pero red- take. The insurance is not less than upon vessels sailing named Alfred Winstanley, an Englishman, about twenty duced the rental to its just proportion, upon the ground between Liverpool and New York. Again, it was said eight years of age, who had been in the service about which of tail others is the highest in principle—that. that the convenience of emigrants would be consulted ten years, became acquainted with a young woman he hod no right to tax the bread of the people io raise his by the proposed change. Who ever heard yet of Irish named Mary Low, the daughter of a military pen own rental." Nor does the fact net tee rental was re em - igrants going out in a first-class steamer? It cos t s s i oner . H is proposal of marriage was accepted, w ith duced at all bear out the asse rt i on that it arose from the them infiune veins to scrape together w h erew ith a l t o pay t h e prov i so that he got le we to marry from his corn " deteriorating effect of f ree t ra d e ." On the contrary, looking at the reducti on i n d ut i es a nd in taaation which steerage fare by a sailing ship of an i n f er i or c l ass . T hen, mend i ng officer. This he was reluctant to ask, for again, considerable stress has been laid upon the some cause which remains unexplained, and her pa have been made, and in which the landowner partitc,,ie advantages that would result from electric commu- rents, considering it imprudent to sanction the mar pates in his relative depict,nicetion, supposing the steamers to take their riage of their daughter with the artisan and e under any other circumstances, middle classes, the inference is that there rentis no deterio departure from Gel way, and supposing that determined to conclude the intimacy between her and a continuous line of electru- telegraphic communication Winstenlev by sending her on a visit to an uncle in ration; but that thoueh .the reduction in is quiva existed between Holyhead and the Irish coast. The Jest London. On Wednesday he got leave to remain ' lent to the fall in price of agrichltural product,t e htt re detente is met by u fall proportionate . to the advantage of these conditions has not yet been realised, and the first out of barracks until eleven o'clock, and visited probebly never will.. The Commissioners reserve one of Low's house, where he remained until half-past the landowner has gained in. the price of those cone their most potent argumcets for the conclusion of their ten. During this time he learned that Mary sumable articles which have been relived of the customs duties and by the reduced taxation. report. At present the Government pays Messrs. Cunard wits to leev'e Cork the next morning at seven It do es n ot follow that because the itsmoney price and Cu. 145,000/. annually for the conveyance of the o'clock by the Ajax . steamer, for London. lie re lativereceived for lad is less, that therefore actual re mails to and from North America. " Should it, how- turned to barracks within his leave, and, after reporting ever value is less, but whether the money value re ever, be found that the removal of the mail packets to him.elf, sceled the walls and escaped, and again re ceived bears a relatira proportion to the circumst tncee an Irish port materially diminished the amount of traffic turned to Low's, and entreated to be ndmitted, but was or price of other property or articles which form conducted by means of their vessels, the result would be refused, though he threatened, if not, to threw himself the necessaries and the comforts of life and the cost of a corresponding diminution of profits to the proprietors, into the river. Early the next ' morning , he again erodes production. Mr. 8a11,. , _or those who furnished the in and the necessity for a proportionate increase in the voured to gain admittance into Low's, but was refused, tormation, hive evidently mixed up the two cases—a re amount paid . for their contract." On the whole we re- and eventually left, declaring he would destroy himself. duction of a too high rental and a purchase of land. But nearly, the same reasoning applies to the latter as to commend a dispassionate and careful perusal of this very He then went into an adjacent house, and borrowed the former; for, the question is, what is the value of the able report to a ll p ersons w h o may b e interested in the a breakfast cup. F rom t hi s h e p rocee d e d t o the oil land to let on the supposition that the Present s.; stern of point at issue. Th e y must i ce s i ngu l ar l y b lind to evi- and colour shop of M r . D enn i s C onnor , i n th e N or th free trade continues, and from thence to calculate its dente if th e y d o not concur w i t h t h e conclusion of the Main-street, where be asked for half-a-pint of oil of chase Holdingve the opinions as to the bless pal • lue • - vitriol, for, as he said, removing stains from his Eross- Inge of cheap bread Mr. P. dies, and that no pro- vice to an Irish pert would be neither politic nor safe, belts. Having got the vitriol in the cup, he hurried tecting duty can or ought to be imposed on corn with a We should not benefit Ireland to any considerable ern along Kyrre-quay to Levitt's-quay, where ho mot view to raise the pric© artificially, and that therefore de- tent, at the same ti me th a t we i n fl icted a very wanton Mary Low with her mother and sisters, on her way mand and supply must regulate price both of land and injury upon that portion of her Majesty's subjects who to the steam-ship. In a frieceied manner, be asked of its produce—lookirg to the probable necessary ace- reside and carry on their business in Great Britain, A her 'if she would deceive him—if she was about to rage imported= and to its increase, keeping pace with saving of en hours in a tran s it o f e l even d ays i s not leaf° him who was so fond of her? ' She moved the relative increase of population—Mr. Pero, as it ap worth so consid e r a bl e a r i s k an d so certain an inoon- on, and he followed, and holding uptthe cup said, pears to us, in no way exhibited any change of opinion vecieuce.— 7 imes. 'glary, you know I love you, and if you don't stop and as to the benefits of free trade, the result it is evEenily _______ ...........--,......„ marry me, this will end my existence. You know I can't , desired by the paragraph should be inferred—on tne SUSPECTED ATURD.hR NEAR live iier m without otaer you, and pus h t e h d i s =- contrary, while the reduction in his rental showed that NORWICH. hew ou h t en ofpa . in. he wished to carry out the precept of " Live end let A murder of a most atrociousd • h m er es f t ro p m et hi m m e , live," and not to enrich himself at the cost of his tenant, description has been discovered during the last eekin the neighbourhood of river,me di at e l a y n d ldrankleaped e the d e ev e vitriol, rel fthrew fromthe cup the into the he also exhibited, by a de,ire re purchase land, a proof Norwich. The circumstances screaming frightfully. At this moment a privst n e st so that he had no fear of its still being a sound and pro-of the case are as fol low :—On Saturday forenoo las . t e a young man named of the 84th Regiment came up, when he 1 h a e nl . ey, fitable investment. We take these co be the real facts Charles Johnson, sale of a Prlittivdpointing after Mary Low, said, t There-h e -et re A s ctin ls ; and the just reasoning of the question, not that from .Methodist preacher, residing at Trowse, accom m pante by his dog, passed she's the cause of it—it is she's to blame." Acting either the one or the other it was to be inferred Mr down what is known r as , s. Martinau's• lane. This constable Edwards then came up and removed the u g n- - fortunate man to the North Infirmary, where he was at Pete had changed his opinions on the benefits fie . la extends ne from o. m Trowse-road to Lekenham, and is of trade has and will confer on the nation.— Nor le ich a sequestered char ac t er . Ab out two hundred yards once attended by Dr. Popham and Surgeon Gordon, Mercury. who administered carbonate of magnesia, and the usual within the lane, commencing from Trowse ends, stands antidotes, but the corrosive effects of the poison were a small plant/Lion on the left hand side, and when the immediate as to render all efforts =avail- VISIT OF PRINCE ALBERT TO IPSWICH. youth arrived opposite to this, his dog, which , had been ing, Dr. Haverty, the surgeon of the 40th, A marquee will be erected at the Eastern Union Sta.- running among the trees, sprung over the hedge to the subsequently saw him, and continued with Dr. time, for the reception of Prince Albert on Thursday e 9 road with something in his mouth, which his master Po ham to attend him until his death, which took place July 3d. Yesterday morning the committee definitely thought was a bone or a piece of carrion. A stranger, at two o'clock yesterday morning, after indescribable decided on the line of route. His Royal Highness who was passing near, authoratively commanded the will start in his own carriage from the station, and d og to "drop it ;" but, instead of doing so, although writhing with pain, he asked everybody will p 855 through Great Whip-ttret, Little Whip- suffering, which he bore with patience. During Thurs day, the animal tem home to Trowse. Here it was street, over Stoke-bridge, through College-street, discovered that the objact the dog had found was a bu ng for if I get but one glimpse of her it will remove all my who entered the ward in which he lay, 'ls she coming? up Brook-street, and through Tavern-street. In the man hand, and young Johnson, on his return shortly pain, and I shall die easy. Deceased had a medal and latter street there will be three sections, one at the Old after, was horrified to learn what the dog had brought. star for several engagements in India, where he had Assembly Rooms, and two at the Mechanics' 'Liam- tie detailed the circumstances under which the animal served with credit. tion; it is possibl e , th ere f ore, that the Prince may had possessed itself of the hand, and it was then taken alight at one of them, if net his Royal Highness will to the station-house and deposited with the police. A A PPALLING SERIES OF ACCIDENTS. proceed to the secti on t h at will then be sitting in the search was immediately instituted by the police, and a Council Chamber of the Town•hall. An accident of a most frightful character occurred hall. It is unnecessary num b er o f l a b ou r ers w ith d ogs , an d on S un d ay morn i ng , to repeat other det a il s w i t h which the public are a human foot was found about 200 yard s f ur th er d own about eleven o clock on Saturday morning last, on the now familiar, but we may mention that on Friday, after the lane, in Mr. Jerviehi plantation, by two young men, premises of Mr. John Evans, druggist, Narberth, the reception of the address at th e museum, the Mayor named J. Spruce and T. Dent, and a dog. A portion of the consequences of _which have been seriously dis and Corporation will con d uct t h e P r i nce to the site for the vertebrae was also discovered in the same pl a c e by estrous. It appears that a pot, containing a quan the New Gramm a r S c h oo l . T he Prince ' s carriage Mr. Warner's coachman, and a second portion in a saw- tity of' turpentine and bees wax had been placed on will pass out of M useum - street i nto St. Matthew ' s, pit, not far distant, by Simon Finch, the fire in a room contiguous to the shop, and being and from thence up Berneresstreet, and on to On the same morning a dug with Spruce and Dent incautiously left there without any person in charge of it, boiled over into the fire, and soon became one the Military and Henley-road s . At th e present me- found the pelvis. A black striped waistcoat was also meat large bodies of workmen are engaged mass of flame, Mr. Evans being apprised of the in making discovered concealed in the hedge near where the hand currence, rushed into the room, and in endeavouring ..th to oc tho approach Co the site by the Henley-road 40 feet was found, and a quantity of waste cotton, such as is in width. The area of the intended building will be used by mechanics and others in cleansing machinery, extinguish the fire threw the vessel containing the eiloiners levelled and covered with gravel. The stone to be laid bustible material towards the door, through which . .. the latter being smeared with blood; also part of a roller will be immediately in front of the gateway from the Evans was at the moment passing, and this awl , - such as is used b weavers. On Monde the search was road, and will form the foundation of the buttress at dently caused the said catastrophe. Mrs. Evans 'a the north-east corner of the tower. There will be continued—the y olice, assisted b labourers and dcgs, dress caught fire, and in endeavouring to escape minutely examining p the hedees y ndevery portion of ' the an inscription on the top of it, which will be written ground - extendine. fora considerable a distance round the she ran into the yard, when the current of air instantly by the Rev. J. S. Rigaud. A silver trowel for theset her clothes in a blaze. Mr. Evans seeing the lane. Every heap of manure or rubbish likel to conceal use of the Prince is already in preparation; it also will dangerous position of his wife, and in his anxiety to any portions of the body was turned over and ' p ted. Nothing further, however, was discovered h i a las d ee ), have an inscription upon it by the Rev. J. S. Rigaud.save her, being unable to pass through the door, At the back of the site, adjoining the cricket field, the The mayor and magistrates of the cit examined those which had taken fire, and the place being covered with ground is elevated, and will afford accommodation for parts of the remains that had been dis y cover ea ed on M t ole the burning stuff, leaped cut of the window, in height many thousands of spectators. In front of them an day afternoon, The hand, which belonged to the right about four feet from the ground, but by so doing =- ample space will be afforded to select visitors, who will fortunately fractured his leg, and dislocated his ancle, arm, was firmly closed, the muscles appearing to be aa stand on such a level as will not intercept the view tracted as in the case of a person who had suffered and consequently laid in a most helpless state, utterly of those behind. Oa the north and south sides great pain. From the appearance of the skin, it also unable to render any further assistance. Mr. Jones, saddler, long galleries will be erected for the exclusive ac- seemed as if it had been placed in water. The toes of who lived directly opposite, seeing smoke issuing from the commodstion of ladies. In front a marquee will t h e f oot were likewise contracted. The foot is small and front door, ran into the house, where he met Mrs. Evans, be erected for the use of the Prince. The area is re- delicate, with a high instep, and from the appearance of with her clothes in flames, te w e.eh, with a little assistance, he markably weli adapted for accommodating almost any it and the hand a person would imagine that they be- shortly extinguished. The maid servant in endeavouring ceremony, longed to a girl of fifteen or sixteen years of age. Death, number who may be anxious to witness the to save her mistress, was seriously burnt about the arms. the grounds around it being elevated and extensive, whether natural or by violence, could not have taken Mr. Thomas and Mr. Bush, surgeons, with the former From all we can learn, this event will be very attractive; place above a fortnight, or three weeks at the utmost, SS gentleman's assistant, were soon in attendance, and every certainly when the site is bordered by multitudes of peos decomposition had not f u lly commence d . The l i gaments attention was paid to the suff erers. Mr. E van ' s h an d s pie, and the galleries are filled with l a di es , th e effect will attached to th e j o i nt o f t h e pelv i s were perfectly elastic, were dreadfully burnt, in edition to other injuries, and be exceedingly strikirg. As the Princ e has thus kindly which would not have been the case had they been aulmarhme precarious rwewas sp ge state, eivpelne , soonwa nitdh gathered h l a it v t i l n e g ho a p r ge e no s onoddf supplyrt e h c e o placev e r y o f . Mrs. Evana's sufferings were so intense that she now lies consented to lay the first stone of the Ipswich Grammar severed fur a long period. The ribs appeared to ha ve School, we must think that the visit of his Royal High- been sawn from the right side of the vertebrre with a ness to the town is no longer a strictly private affair. All saw, in a rough and clumsy manner, a iAn f t ag e r rve t ea h rt : l2 hesitation as to what our townsmen should do ought at On Tuesday the following were found:—A fibula, at water close at hand, very little time was lost in reduc once to give place to agenerous emulation to accord to the the limekiln, on the Ilellesdon-road (distant about two ing the fire, which had not extended beyond the room in estimable Consort of our most estimable Queen a recep- miles from the place where the hand, &c., were dis- which it commenced. The extent of damage done to the Lion worthy of himself and worthy of s o important a covered, on the opposite side of the city), by a man house is comparatively trifling to what it would have town. In Museum-street it is intended to erect a trium- named W. Noller ; a humerus, near Mr. Manning's been had the flames communicated to the adjoining phal arch; and now that the lines of route are indicated garden, Lakenham, by police-constable Woolley; apartment, which contained a large stock of oils and we believe the inhabitants of the various streets will not another fibula in a field near the Hellesdon- other inflammable materi a l s . O ur obituary of this day be slow to take measures for affording a hearty welc o m e roa d, b y pol i ce-constable Moore; three pieces of records the death of a c hild o f M r. Evans ' s on Monday to one whose personal attributes will afford graceful human flesh, at the same place, one of which would last,— Welshman. mottoes for a hundred verdant arches.—lpswich Express. probably weigh a pound, and the others probably less, •••••,......mmoomil by Flsxman; two other pieces of flesh, in Mr. Reynold's SEABORNE MAILS, TRANSATLANTIC PACKET STATION. field, near the Hellesdon-road, by William Carter; [N signifies that the mails are sent from the General Post-office It was natural enough that in Ireland great hopes another piece of flesh, in the same place, by Martin b y the night — and Mby the morning—di spatc h.] s hould have been built upon the idea th a t G a l way was C ory; a p i ece o f flesh in the hedge near the windmill, When made up in' From what to be converted into the port for steam communication by Robert Self ; a l so a p i ece of fl esh i n each of the fol- PLACES. General Post-ottee port dis- When between this country and the U n it e d States, w e gr i eve l ow i ng pl aces: —N ear Mr. Brown ' s farm, by Charles London. patched. due. t hat we are compelled by the force of facts to come to Davison; near Mr. Reynold's mill, without St. Augus- July 4 .. .. Li verpoo l.. Jaly 6 , the conclusion that the idea can never be seriously en- tine's Gates. by H enr y C u bi tt; i n t h e hedge near the America (by Brit. pkt.)N tertained by the Government or the people of this mill, and in Brown's field, by Charles Davison. America (by U.S. pkt.) N July 1 .. ..,Liverpool .. July 2 country- The whole subject has been thoroughly sift e d Th e searc h was cont i nued on Wednesday. A number America (by U.S. pkt.) M Jul y 2 .. .. ,Southampt. Jul 10 Africa est •. N 14th of the month 'Ply July 3 bye body of Commissioner s, w ho have just presented of the police were empl o y e d to d rag the river from Alexandri (W a* .... coast) .... N 19th & 30th of mo. Dover uth .. July 18 an elaborate yet carefully digested report to the House Trowse Mills upwards to Lakenham Mills, as it was Belgium •• .. •• N;Daily - .. ..IDover .. Daily of Lords. These gentlemen do not, "on a careful though that the party who committed this diabolic.' it ra e z eo ll o , Ayres 1. 1 2dBo7ttrotfninonotab Southampt. .July jul 12 , • .. 11 9th of of the month Southampt. July 12 a(vl 6 :Ch - agr . e . s) re v i ew o f the arguments that have been advanced, trim© might have thrown a portion of it into the river. Calif consider them as sufficient to justify them in m om . Nothing, however, was discovered. Another party of Cape of Good Hope Nll4th or month Plymouth.. July 8 mending the proposed change." They seem to have d . i s . the police, ` together with several labourers, were em- Constantinople* ...... z ,,,t d h B l ; 7 Ntr o ti r l in of o m m o Dover ..July to anxiety to consider the subje c t wit h ployed in earching those localities where there was the Channel Isles .. .. N Mon., Wed., & Fri. Southampt. Southampt. July 5 played a laudable Tn. Th.Sa every Possible reference to the interests of Ireland, a n d least probability of any portion of the body being con- Chili .. .. .. . 31117th of the month Sotithampt. July 20 they have Mated the result of their deliberations s o cl ear ly cealee. Darin g the day the following pieces of human Franco • • .. 31 & KTwice daily .. .. Dover • • Twiceclaily '7th 17th27thef mo Dover Jul as to leave the unthinking advocates of change flesh were found, and brought to the station-house :—Five Greece* •• .. •• N i _ [ •• yto .. NiTuesday & FridaylLondon .. Tues. Sat. without rep x l. must be remembered th a t pieces of human flesh were discovered in a field a little L i olla b rl rgh • .. .. allweenes. & Satur.'Londen .. Mea.Ther this is not a It , ; a which we can afford to pest Mr. Reynold's mill, by three men named William Honduras make a miatake,te r t a line of mail packets Neave, Robert Leach, and Robert Burrow• CV Honduras ... .. . 1 , 07 th of the 'heath Southampt. July 20 Ireland .. .. M& N, Twice daily .. ..IHolyhead • • Twiced . ally by a young man named , a i ia Or belonging to a fir is India(via Southamp.) M 20th of the month Southampt. July 15 the United States which at shin bone, in Mr. Shotgun's field, India (via Marseilles) N. 7thlit 24th efmonth Dover .. J u ly 16 present perform the j o in York. If by any erre‘lt.Z,eY between Liverpool and New George Chapman: three more pieces in a field bo o 2 Mediterranean (via t were to transfer ing to Mr. Gowing, situate next to that of Mr. R e ey - - - the service of our own—th lad g men - we fom Liverpool nolds's, by Robert Dewing and Mott Southampton) .. St 20th of the month Southampt. July 23 . Mediterranean (via to Galway, the result is,Bales, and in marseilles) .. .. N 7th& 24th ofmonth Dover • • July 16 an line — Mexico .. • • .. M2d of the month.. Southampt. July 5 forcing the traffic across Irelaiet.adjoiningßeynolds's mill, by Ch ar l es bat we should r succeed in another field that should Johnson. The only other portions found this day were transfer it to the United St4;itsimPlY we a piece of flesh, by a young man named John Scone, in Dover July 10 j t i f i 7th,l7th,l9tla,27th 3f M ai lid t e a l:a :: :: .. 31 9th of the month Southampt. July 12 chants of England and Scotlthe fieldnext M R ' against the proposed change. Laa ' h set their faces r. Reynolds s mill; and another steamers. The . mer ern- is field belonging to Mr Curtis by R b t Bpi"? inDover .. July 2 The "" .. NlsUllsth 25th of molDover .. ,July 2 merce of Manchester and Glasgew ' Zhambers ot C • , oer ewing. AP These pieces were generally about Peninsular.. • • .. M 7tlll7th 27th of mo Southampt. /July 6 N lHl s & th 3 l o s t t h h o 2 f st m h o o n f t m h o firms at Birmingham and Leeds, en d the many eminent d ad had be the size of a man's per , a .. .. .. N P &Pt's:fate's.* .. - M 17th of tho month ISouthampt. July 20 American trade, have expressed thieiP in the North han , en mostly cut from the surface of the Tuscany 4, .. .. •• N l sth 15th x 5 th ofmo Dover • • July 2 of the injurious results of steep, opinion body. They consisted nearly wholly of portions of skin West Indies .. .. 3117th of the month Southampt. July 20 an y slieli • and thin layers of flesh or muscle. A portion of the West Incites (except of the present system. For heavy . alteration Havanna & Nassau) 31,2 d of the month .. Southampt., July 5 transit across Ireland is entirely out oftt°M6 t h e patella was attached to one of the pieces, and the sciatic „,, The malls to c ountri th tiers.. The point must simply be co ns ie e t t i ": a Mthose elms. nerve to another. Notwithstanding that they h a d b een French packet viarseillesesus marked ( 5 ) are conveyed by reference to the passenger t ra ffi c and th ' l e with found at so . many different pl a c es , an d i n spots a con- C•LIFORNIA.—Ma iI s to and from California, via the United States lightest description of goods. " Even with reeart? siderable distance apart, they were found to join when are now despatched and due by every American packet. On Tuesday the following were found:—A fibula, at the lime•kiln, on the Hedesdon-road (distant about two miles from the place where the hand, &c., were dis covered, on the opposite side of the city), by a man named W. Noller ; a humerus, near Mr. Manning's garden, Lakenham, by police-constable Wooller; another fibula in a field near the Hellesdon road, by police-constable Moore; three pieces of human flesh, at the same place, one of which would probably weigh a pound, end the others probably less, by Flaxman; two other pieces of flesh, in Mr. Reynold's field, near the Hellesdon-road, by William Carter; another piece of flesh, in the same place, by Martin Cory; a piece of flesh in th e h e d ge near he windmill, by Robert Self; also a piece of flesh in each of the fol lowing places:—Near Mr. Brown's farm, by Charles Davison; near Mr. Reynold's mill, without St. Augus tine's Gates. by Henry Cubitt; in the hedge near the mill, and in Brown's field, by Charles Davison. The search was continued on Wednesday. A number of the police were employed to drag the river from Trowse Mills upwards to Lakenham Mills, as it was though that the party who committed this diabolical crime might have thrown a portion of it into the river. Nothing, however, was discovered. Another party of the police, together with several labourers, were em ployed in searching those localities where there was the least probability of any portion of the body being con cealeo. Daring the day the following pieces of human flesh were found, and brought to the station-house:—Fiv e pieces of human flesh were discovered in a field a little past Mr. Reynold'a mill, by three men named William Neave, Robert Leach, and Robert Burrow; a tibia or shin bone, in Mr. Sh o t ger ' s fi e l d, by a young man named George Chapman: three more pieces in a field belong ing to Mr. Gowing, situate next to that of Mr. Rey nolds's, by Robert Dewing and Mott Bales, and in another field adjoining Reynolds's mill, by Charles Johnson. The only other portions found this day were a piece of flesh, by a young man named John Scone, in the field next Mr. Reynolds's mill; and another piece in a field belonging to Mr. Curtis, by Robert Bewing. These pieces were generally about the size of a man's hand, and had been mostly cut from the surface of the body. They consisted nearly wholly of portions of skin and thin layers of flesh or muscle. A portion of the patella was attached to one of the pieces, and the sciatic serve to another. Notwithstanding that they had been found at so many different places, and in spots a con siderable distance apart, they were found to join when tried, thus proving that they all bel onge d to one body. From this it would seem that the body has been cut into pieces some time after death, and that the author of t h is atrocity has endeavoured to get rid of it by deposit.- t i Ll io lzall portions in different localities at various supposition is considerably stre ng th ene d Robert 13 by a discove!Y 51 winch • was made on Thursd a y. A s tw it , was searching in Philadelphia that morning, fg flesh • • Dewing be corrertevnis da Y ; Confid en t that this place was closely Mr. Yaringt, ° , 4 ." a piece of humaninside a fence. searched on thea —it shows that tho--al' and if the statement of R a utity d there is no reaaon to doubt it Party had deposited this piece of flesh so recently shirt, which had been i f o tiosday night. This day a smeared with blood, via, l l 4 , l °n Mouaehold-heath, much ''On Thursday morning the :Cr" thorities manifesting the utmost was resumed, the au to Mr. Yarington. 0 upon this most mys means likely to throw any li g h a t nx ieiy to adopt every teriou3 occurrence. A number rected to drag the river from the Nevi I fi s i i t i v e lie e were di whilst others were directed to continue searchthetoT rw s o on I land. At eleven o'clock the Mayor, P. J. Money, J. TRANSATLANTIC PACKET STATION. It was natural enough that in Ireland great hopes should have been built upon the idea that Galway was to be converted into the port for steam communication between this country and the United States. We grieve t h a t we are compelled by the force of facts to come to the conclusion that the idea can never be seriously en tertained by the Government or the people of this country. The whole subject has been thoroughly sifted by 9, body of Commissioners, who have just presented an elaborate yet carefully digested report to the House of Lords. These gentlemen do not, "on a careful review of the arguments that have been advanced, consider them as sufficient to justify them in mom 11,ending the proposed change." They seem to have dis playv4 a laudable anxiety to consider the subject with ever y Possible reference to the interests of Ireland, and they hav e mated the result of their d eliberations s o cl early as to le ase advocates of change without repl y ,! he unthinking be remembered that this is not a It must which we can afford to make a mistake, in belonging to fir® There is a ling of mail packets present perform the joyin the United States which at York. If by any erro p,ey between Liverpool and New the service of our own_litidgment we were to transfer to Galway, the result is forcing the traffic acrosslriellne Qunard line—from Liverpool transfer it to the United Stail'titaimPlY Scotland that we should succeed in that we should chants of England and emer The against the the proposed change. T a niLve set their faces merce of Manchester and Glasgo w Chambers of Corn firms at Birmingham and Leeds, e'n g M a ,, many eminent American trade, have expressed tie - e .'" 4 in the North of the injurious results of any -tr ea ' e t T a °ag opinion of the present system. For heavv alteration transit across Ireland is enti re l y out- of t Ve the tion. The point must simply be considered- Ties reference to the passenger traffic and the lightest description of goods. " Even with regard passengers, it is stated that increased expedition -° , l re duced length of sea voyage wonld not generally cog. in the opinion of the parties above n am ed , for the frequent changes and delays which the new route would involve." The Commissioners declare that they entirely concur with this opinion, and present the House with a set of carefully pre pared calculations. The result of these is, that the sav i n g of time which would be gained by the adoption as a packet station of that one of the Irish ports which is most favourably situated would be under ten hours in a transit of nearly eleven :days. Now, on the whole, is it worth while to run so great a risk for so slight a gain —if, indeed, the term can be employed without "use of language? Is it a " gain" to save ten hours when the alternative is so motley a commencement or termination of so long a journey? Even for those per sons who ara most subject to inconvenience from a sea voyage, is it not better to have one than two agonies? Is it not some little consolation, in the midst of their mi series, that th ey may retain undisturbed possession of the berth into whi c h they may h ave ro ll e d at Liverpool until the steamer shall have arrived at New York? Two LIVES LOST ON THE RIVER.—Ott Sunday a party of five young men were rowing a small wherry on the river, and on nearing Blackfriars-bridge they ran the nose of the boat completely under the bows of a steamer, putting in at the steamboat pier. The smaller boat capsized, and the five individuals were immersed. Mr. Ware, the pier master, immediately dispatched a number of his men to render assistance, and owing to their exertions the whole five were pulled out of the river, and having been landed on the pier, they ran off, leaving the boat they had been in drifting about at the pier. The excitement had barely subsided when two youths, named respectively Bentley and Davies, who had been witnessing the rescue of the five persons above alluded to, slipped off the edge of the sewer leading from the Fleet-ditch, and were forced by the current into the Thames. `eery and sundry other piermen were dispatched to the spot, and would no doubt have succeded in saving the two unfortunate persons, but just as they were about to lay hold of the hair of their heads, the steamboat Citizen E came up and washed both out of the reach of the men. The drags were immediately procured, and the river was dragged for nearly two hours, but without effect. Dispatches were received yesterday at the Colonial. office, from the Governor of the Canadas, LONDON, TUESDAY EVENING, JULY 1, 1851. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, June 30. The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat upon the Wool sack at Five o'clock. PETITIONS. The Earl of RODEN presented several petitions against Papal aggression; also several petitions from place.; in the north of Ireland, praying that Scripture schools might have a share of the Guv rnmont grant; also several petitions against the grant to Ilaynooth, and a petition against the abolition of the Lord-Lieutenancy of Ireland. The Bishop of ST. ASAPH presented a petition from the London Hospital against the Charitable Trusts Bill. CAPE OF GOOD HOPE. The Earl of NIA.LUESBURY, on behalf of his Noble Friend Lord Stanley, postponed the motion of which he had given notice on this subject, and which stood for this evening. A liD-EL-K ADER. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY rose, pursuant to notice, to put a question to her Majesty's Government, if they know of any communication having been had between the French Government and the Government of the Porte respecting the continued imprisonment of Abd-el.Kader. He had seen with great satisfaction that the British Go• vernment was on better terms with foreign Governments than it was this time list year, and he was glad to find that the extente cordiale between this country and France had not diminished under the rule of that - wise and ju dicious Prince who was now President of that. Republic, and who, he could nut but believe, would receive any intercession of ours on behalf his captive would be favourably received. He had had a correspondence with the President on the subject, and he felt that the moral dignity of the House of Lords exercised great power throughout Europe, and he was certain that any representation they might make would produce great effect. (The Noble Marquis then proceeded to read extracts from his correspondence with the President of the French Republic on the subject of the captivity of Abd-el-Kader.) He considered that, from the expressions made use of in the correspondence, the President was favourably disposed towards the liberation of Abd-el•liader, and that any repre sentation from the Government of this country could not but strengthen him in his resolve. The Noble Marquis conc\ndeJ by putting the question of which he had given notice, and also asked if the Go vernment would give ititimations to the Ambassadors in France and Constantinople to use t heir exertions to pro vide a less restrictive domicile for Abri-el-Nader. The Marquis of LANSDOV7NE said that her Ma jesty's Government had received no communication from the French Government on the subject of Abd-el-Kader, and that we had no right to interfere in the matter. How ever much ho might individually feel for the sufferings of such a great warrior as Abd-el-Radar, however satisfac tory it might be to him to learn that that eminent warrior had been released, or that his sufferings had been mitigated, yet he felt that as a Government we had no right whatever to interfere. Lord BROUGLIAII said, nothing could be more gratifying than the statement of the Noblo Marquis re lating to this unprecedented passa2e in the history of modern times. He did not blame the present head of the French Government or his illustrious predecessor; but he blamed the public opinion in France, which iu this respect was anything but sound or creditable to the nation. PRIVATE BILLS. On the motion of 1.4 , )rd RE DESDALE,several private Bills were forwarded a stage. PETITIONS. Lord BROUGHAM presented several petitions in favour of the County Courts Bill. CLIMBING BOYS. The Earl of SaAFTESBURY a.ked if the Govern ment intended to prosecute the person who had, accord• ing, to a statement which appeared in one of the Leeds journals, forced a climbing boy to ascend a flue in the city, in which the boy was smothered? The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said the Govern ment had received no official information en th© subject, but he would cause inquiry to be made into the circum stances of the case. Their Lordships then adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS. June 30. The SPEAKER took the Chair at Four o'clock. NEW MENIBEK. Captain SCOBELL took the oaths and his seat for Rath. The Hon. and Gallant Gentleman was introduced by Lord Duncan and Mr. Pinney. PRIVATE BUSINESS. The Lords' amendments to the North and South- Western Junction Railway Bill, and the South Wales Railway (No. 1) Bill, were considered and agreed to, and the Bill ordered to be engrossed. The following Bills were considered and agreed to: — Cameron's Coalbrook Steam Coal and Swansea and Loughor Railway. Imperial Continental Gas Association. St. Bartholomew's Hospital Estate. St. Pancras (Middlesex) Paving. Jackson's Estate Bill and Lethbridge's Estate Bill were read a second time, and ordered to be committed. PETITIONS. Sir JAMES DUKE presented a petition from the city of London in favour of the Chancery Bill. Mr. ANSTEY presented a petition from the ship. owners of Yougbal, praying for a revision of the exist ing navigation-laws. Mr. CHRISTOPHER presented a petition from the trustees of a charitable trust in the county of Lincoln, praying for a reform in the proceedings of the Court of Chancery. Sir R. H. INGLIS presented a petition from the ministers and elders of the Church of Scotland of the Presbytery of Glasgow, as we understood, against the admission of Jews into Parliament. Mr. WILCOX presented, a petition from the chemists of Southampton in favour of the Pharmaceutical Bill. Mr. LACY presented a similar petition from a place in Surrey. Mr. S. CRAWFORD presented a similar petition from Rochdale. Sir B. HALL presented similar petitions from Mary lebooe. Mr. AGLIONBY presented a petition from the cor poration of Carlisle, praying for an alteration in the grand jury system. Mr. MO WATT presented a petition from the inhabi tants of the parish of St. Anne's, Westminster, praying the House not to sanction any measure for the supply of water to the metropolis which did not place the ma nagers under the control of the ratepayers. The Marquis of GRANBY presented a petition from the attorneys and solicitors of a place in Leicestershire, praying for the repeal of the certificate duty. Mr. COWAN presented a petition, from Glasgow in favour of the Public Houses (Scotland) Bill. Mr. ,lILTME presented a petition from the spirit dealers of Paisley iwairist the Bill. Mr. B. OSBORNE presented a petition from Totten ham against the Health of Towns Bill. MAYNOOTH.—BREACH OF PRIVILEGE. Mr. ANSTEY wished to call the attention of the House to a matter which concerned the privileges of the House; but before he founded eny motion on the sub ject he would move that a certain passa ge i n l ast Satur day's Freeman's Journal be read by the clerk at the table. (This was done; the passage was a resolution passed at the Maynooth board contradicting a statement of the Hon. and Learned Member to the effect that for years past there had not been an annual assembly of the board at which a motion was not made against the Maynooth grant.) The Hon. and Learned Member then moved that Mr. Duffy, the printer and publisher of the paper, be called to the bar of the House. The House, he said, would observe that the resolution contained in the paper was a formal but not a substantial contradiction of what he stated in the House the other night. He never said that a motion had been made against the grant. What he did say was, that Dr. M'Elale had introduced a project to the board for the formation of a Roman Ca tholic University, to be supported by voluntary contri butions and a tax upon the different Roman Catholic benefices, which would make it possible for the college to refuse to apply any longer for the usual grant from Parliament. He would not press the motion to a division, as he had merely made it for the purpose of having an opportunity of giving that explanation to the House. The motion not having been seconded, then fell to the ground. POOR-LAW (IRELAND). _ . . _ _ _ Mr. G. A. LIAMILTON'a.ked the C hief Secretary for Ireland, why the important tables, nurnberei 2 to 12 in the appendices to the report of the Poor-law Commissioners (Ireland), for the year 1849, end in their previous reports, containing statements of the financial condition of each union, with the receipts and payments in detail, had been omitted in the fourth report, recently presented? - Sir W. SOMERVILLE was understood :to say that the omission bad arisen from the circumstance of the boundaries of the unions having been changed. IRISH CENSUS. Colonel DUNNE asked the Secretary. f:or Ireland why the census returns for that country we re not pub lished; those for England being already given in the public papers, and it being stated that those for Ireland were in the hands of the Lord-Lieutenant? Sir W. SOMERVILLE said he supposed the reason of the delay was that all the returns had no t yet been received from Ireland; probably all the rots rns would be made by to-marrow or next day. POSTAGE OF LETTERS TO FRA./ ZCE. Mr. HUME gave notice that to-morrow he would ask whether any measures were in progress by ftie Govern ment for reducing the enormous charge now made for postage on letters sent to France. TRANSPORTATION TO VAN DIEMEM'S LAND. In reply to Sir W. MOLES WORTH, Mr. HAWES was understood to say that ra vessel had been sent to Van Dipm en 's Land with 300 CC:t %victs. HINDOO SACRIFICES. In reply to a question from Sir R. H. ING: LIS, Mr. WILSON said that a Bill was just o t t the point of being passed by the Council of India w 'hick would prevent the continuance of self-sacrifice to the idol of Juggernaut practised by Hindoo devotee: r. THE NEW HOUSE OF COMMO Sir E. BUXTON put a question to the Noble Lord at the head of the Woods and Forests, when it was in tended to occupy the new House of Con iinons, and whether there was any intention of pulling down the present House before it was ascertained ttu it the new House would accommodate the Members? Lord SEYILOUR said that he had nothing ;to do with the new Houses of Parliament, and therefor e could not give the desired information. He had new sr heard of any intention of pulli ng d own th e p resen t F L ouse . JEWISH DISABILITIES 811 EL,. In answer to a quPstinn from Sir B. Eih,Lr „ Lord J. RUSSELL said that he cer . .aini; meant to proceed with the third reading of this Tjkl on Thursday next, as the first order of the dity. CUSTOMS BILL. Oa the m tion for going into Committee on this Bill, Mr. THOMAS DUNCONIBE presented a petition from u gentleman trading in chicory in favour of the reduction of the duty on chicory. Mr. T. BARING thee rode to move," That it be an in struction to the Committee to make provision for preventing the mixture of chicory with coffee by the vendors of coffee." He said the late reduction of the duty on coffee had naturally acted as a stimulus to the consumption of coffee; but when the public could buy for 4d. per lb. an article which passed for coffee, but in reality was nut, they could not expect this consumption to continue. He was ready to admit that chicory was the dearest article with which coffee was adulterated, for bums, lupins, and mahogany shavings were much cheaper, but even adulter ated with this an article could be concocted for 7d. which was called coffee, for which, to obtain pure, the public would have had to pay 10]. If persons chose to prefer this mixture, well and good, but this was far different from proclamations by a Govern ment that chicory might pass for the real article of coffee. He thought it would be a most improvident sacri fice to repeal the duty on coffee altogether, but at the same time that they had reduced the duty, by not torbiding it to be mixed, but even enjoining that it ought to be mixed with coffee, they had destroyed the full benefit of that boon. This, however, was not a question of mere fiscal duties, but one of fairness and justice, and involving the prevention of fraud. Let them allow chicory to be sold to those who chose to buy it, but still he thought they ought not to allow it to be sold for what it was not. It was no answer to say that adulteration had existed before this Treasury minute and would exist after it; but it was one thing to stamp an act as a fraud and brand it with disgrace, and another to do all in their power to encourage it. They had not attempted to ecourage the mixture of sloe leaves with tea, and all that he asked was that they should be consistent with themselves, and not endeavour to pass one law for ono trade and a different one for another. The country and the Government had but one common interest in this matter, and that was to prevent fraud and protect the honest trader, as well in the dealer as the producer, the agriculturist or the manufacturer.— (Hear, hear.) That was the rule which ought al ways to guide the Exchequer in its Customs and Excise departments. The public had means otherwise of protecting itself against frauds. Ia the present instance the rich man might secure himself a4ainst adulteration by making large purchases for his owu use, but the poor man, who had an equal right to protection, was not able to lay in any amount of stores. He had to buy what he wanted in a state which should be ready fur use, and no extent of precaution on the part ot the Excise could prevent the adulteration necessary to defraud him. In spite of the declarations of too Right Hon. Gentleman the Chan cellor of the Exchequer, he could assure the House, upon the best possible authority, that this Treasury minute had greatly reduced the consumption of 'afire. —(clear, hear.) In 1830 the importations were 22 691,000 pounds; in 1840 they were 28,722,000; and in 1850 they were 31,226,0001 b. In 1840 the duty on West India Coffee was 6]. per pound, on East India 9d., and on foreign ls. 3d.; but in 1850 the duty en East India was 41., and on foreign 6d., showing an increase of 4,000,0001 b. when the duty was highest and of only 2,000,0001 b. when there was a reduction of 50 per cent. in the duty of 60 per cent. in bonding charges. Now how came the large discrepancy? Surely it did not arise from any want of trade or a lack of means to consume, because our, large towns and manufacturing districts had in the latter period enjoyed more than an average share of prosperity. The consumption of tea had increased, it was true, but not in any way disproportionate with the increase in the po its p u i l g a h t i population, duty m n h d aa dl t y h m e t oasittnha maintained n o ,e f h namely, d t t, i things tpresentedha that while t 1 a extra ordinarywthgradual increase, the con sumption of coffee, with a large reduction, hail seri ously fallen. He could attribute the fail to no other circumstance but the minute permitting the adulteration with chicory. ( dear, hear.) These were the grounds on which he proposed the in struction to the Committee; and this instruction would not have the effect of making them go back to the law which previously prevailed, and prevent grocers from selling chicory, but would allow them to keep it in stock, and only prohibit the sale of chicory under the name of the dearer article. He wiehed to propose no interference with the trade, and only asked the Government not to become godfather to the illegal christening of chicory and coffee. The great body of grocers in the metropolis were a very respectable class of people, and he con sidered that if the sale of chicory in the way he had mentioned was once declared to be illegal, the practice would at once discontinue among them. Many of them had resisted the temptation for a long time, because they could not reconcile their mind. and consciences to the fraud, and it was only when starvation stared them in the face that they found themselves compelled to mix chicory with coffee. The Hon. Member concluded by proposing the motion, which is given above. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the Hon. Member had acted under the delusion that coffee was the only article adulterated, whereas almost every other article of consumption was in many instances mixed with deleterious ingredients. He (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) did not think it expedient that the grocers throughout the country should be subjected to Excise interference to prevent their mixing chicory with coffee. Any Government interference in regard to this alleged fraud could only take place on two grounds— either that the article was adulterated with dole terious ingredients prejudicial to the health of the public, or that the revenue suffered in consequence of the practices adopted. Now he was in possession of facts which showed that chicory was not injurious to health, and that its mixture with coffee was actually preferred by a great number of persons. The revenue had Buffered to a very inconsi derable extent, if at all, by reducing the duty on coffee; he thought he had adopted the best means of prevent ing the continuance of the adulteration by chicory. He held in his hand a letter which he had received ttett morning from a coffee-roaster in the metropolis, stating that the mixture of chicory with coffee had led to the production of a much better article than that which had formerly been in use, and that previously to tho introducCon of chicory the coffee sent to the roasters was so bad that the men engaged in roasting it could hardly remain on the premises during the process, while the trade were at present enabled to purchase good coffee, and, by mixing it with chicory, to give the public a much better and cheaper article than that which they had formerly sold. He could assure his Honour able Friend that if he could give him (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) any information showing that a dele terious article had been mixed with coffee, he should take care that the party guilty of the offence should be pro secuted. The Treasury minute dealt Keith chicory, and with nothing but chicory ; and with respect to the mixture of any other article the law remained as it had been. He should confess, however, that unless it should appear that there had been some deleterious article mixed with the doffee he did not think it was the business of the Treasury to interfere. No doubt the Treasury found it desirable to prevent the adulteration of such an article as tobaceo, on which a very high duty was imposed. But it should be remembered that the powers confided to the Excise officers in these matters were confided to them mainly, not for the purpose of pro tecting the consumer, but for the purpose of protecting the revenue. It was lett to the discretion of the revenue officers to decide whether in any particular else the protection of the revenue was so indispensable that it was advisable, in order to attain that object, to subject parties to that annoyance which always accompanied Excise interference. His belief was, that in the present instance it was not worth while that the Excise officers should interfere in the manner proposed. His Hon. Friend had alluded to the falling off in the con sumption of coffee during the last three or four years. But it should be observed that there had been a large increase in the consumption of coffee during the last ten years; and he believed that by reducing the duty on the article he was raking the best means of insuring its increased consumption. There were in Great Britain 131,000 grocers, who had taken out licences for the sale of coffee, and it would be no light matter to subject all these persons to that Excise supervision from which they had been exempted during the last ten years. He had received communications from several agri cultural districts, in which he had been requested not to in terfere with the growth of chicory,which had been carried on successfully for some time. One gentleman had stated to him that there were probably 20,000 engaged in the cleaning or the cultivation of chicory, and that he himself employed nearly 300 persons in that way. He further said that the supply of labourers in that business did not equal the de mand, so that those who did offer themselves were all in full employment. His Hon. Friend proposed that he (the Chan cellor of the Exchequer) should put an end to that employ ment. He had been informed that in the great consuming towns in the manufacturing districts the mixed article was preferred to the inferior descriptions of coffee, and not a single complaint had as yet proceeded from the consumers against the mixture in question. All the complaints that had been heard upon the subject had been raised by the roasters and the sellers of coffee. His Hon. Friend proposed that they should introduce into a Customs Bill a clause which was to be carried out by the Excise; but it would be a new and unexampled proceeding to introduce an excise restriction into a Customs Act. He had formerly heard frequent complaints, to the effect that he had imposed undue restraints on the right of the agricultural interest to cultivate any article they might please. And yet the Hon. Gentleman proposed it to be known that if the consumer were prevented in that case from having a cheap and wholesome beverage, that arrangement would be forced on an unwilling and reluctant Government, to the injury, as he believed, of the dealers, of the growers, and of the public. Mr. CRAWFORD said he entirely approved of the mo tion of the Hon. Member for Huntingdon. Neither the growers nor the importers of coffee had any objection to chi cory as chicory; but they objected to the use which unscru pulous dealers made of the suspension of the provisions of the Act by the authority of the Treasury. It was well known that coffee was adulterated with the most unwholesome and offensive substances. Sir J. TYRELL said he felt compelled to oppose the motion of his Hon. Friend the Member for Huntingdon. A good deal of land was at present used for the growth of chicory, and a considerable number of labourers were em ployed in its cultivation. Now, ho could see no reason why those labourers should be deprived of that employment. They had hear. nothing of the unwholesomeness of chicory until after large sums bad been invested in its growth ; for he believed that the cultivation of an acre of chicory cost 141., while it was an article very well suited to the climate of this country. Mr. ANSTEY said no one wished to interfere with the growth . of chicory, but what was desired was, to prevent substitutes from being sold for coffee, and fetehing a price in the market which they would not otherwise reach; and b e contended that those who laboured to that end were truer friends to the poor than the Chancellor of the Exchequer. The only persons who benefitted by the present atrocious system were those grocers who had memoralised the Right lion. Gentleman. He differed from the Hon. Member for Huntingdon in one respect, for in his (Mr. Anstey's) opi nion, the object which he had in v i ew m i ght be attained b y abolishing the duty on coffee altogether. But if they were not prepai ed to do this, there was no alternative but the Excise system. The Right Hon. the Chancellor of the Ex chequer said it was quite unprecedented to introduce an Excise clause into a Customs Bill ; but he begged to remind him that the Right Hon. Member for the University of Cambridge, when Chancellor of the Exchequer in 1843, pur sued that course, for the purpose of preventing the adulte. ration of tobacco. Similar precautions had also been taken to prevent the adulteration of tea and pepper by means of the Excise, and why should not the same course be followed with respect to coffee ? Sir F. BARING, as the author of the Treasury minute which had been so much attacked, was anxious not to shrit.k from taking his share of the responsibility attaching to it. It had been said that these frauds could not be prevnted ; but ten years' experience in the case of tobacco had con vinced <dim of the contrary. In 1832 statements were made that the adulteration of coffee had gone to a great extent, and that chicory had been very much introduced. The Treasury minute was issued on the representation of the most re pect able part of the trade that the law was a punishment to the honest dealer and a protection to the dishonest. Their state ment was this—" We obey your regulations, and do not mix chicory with our coffee, but our neighbours do; and the re sult is that we are losing the trade which they gain." The question was, whether the law would be effectual if carried out, and he was assured that sach would not be the case. The respectable part of the trade whom he saw assured him that the law was inefficient, and that if the whole of its powers were carried into effect they would be unable to accomplish the object in view. But he was told this was a question of public morality, and that great dishonesty was practised by those who so d the mixture called coffee; but if parties were perfectly aware of what they were buying, he could not understand where the dishonesty was. But as they talked so much of public morality he must beg to cau tion them with regard to one point. They could not carry their object into effect by the mere repeal of the Treasury minute; they must introduce a new survey and system of excise; and was that likely to render the people more moral? He had had unfortunate experience of the effect of the Ex cise laws, and the evasions and frauds attending them, and he was perfectly satisfied that the success of this motion would introduce a most unconstitutional practice, and he therefore hoped the House would reject it.—(Hear.) Mr. HERRIES assumed that as the Right Hon. Gentle man was the author of the minute in question he had ex hausted all the arguments which could be urged in its de fence. And, after all, what had he said? All he had said was what with him was a matter of necessity. But, he said, that if they now insisted on enforcing by means of the ex cise a check on this fraudulent practice, they would increase immorality greatly by extending the excise laws. Why, there was not one of these trades to which allusion had been made which were not already subject to the excise with re spect to many other articles, so that the operations of the excise officers in point of fact would not be extended at all. This was the first time he had heard the head of a depart ment sanction the commission of fraud.—(Hear, hear.) A technical objection had been taken to the motion on the ground that an excise clause was proposed to be introduced into a Customs Bill. But that eras not correct. If the House should accede to the motion of his Hon. Friend, it would not follow that excise officers must of necessity be the persons employed, for it would be quite competent for the Treasury to employ the officers ot,the Customs if they should so please. The mixture was said to have been accepted by the public, but he confessed he had never heard that the public were willing to have it, or that this celebrated Chancellor of the Exchequer's . mixture had been advertised. Such being the case, and the motion of the Hon. Member for Huntingdon not being inconsistent with the practice of the House, and being moreover calculated to prevent fraud, he would cer tainly give it his support.—(Hear, and cries of " Divide.") Mr B. OSBORNE assured the House that he would re spect the hour, and that his observations should be few. In giving this assurance, however, he must remind those Hon. Members who did not seem disposed to take their coffee before dinner that this was a very important question to the commerce of this country. A greater delusion had never been foisted on the public than that which had been first hatched by the Hon. and Learned Member for Youghal, and now was brought into second life by the Hon. Member for Huntingdon. What was the whole gist of the question? The Hon. Member called on the Chancellor of the Exchequer to violate a very important principle. He called on the Government to interfere in all the petty details of commerce, instead of leaving them to the legitimate spirit of enterprise and competition.—(Hear, hear.) He had been informed by one of the first houses in the metropolis, that, in consequence of the erroneous impression which had been abroad that bul lock's blood and bone-dust and other ingredients were used for the adulteration of coffee, a great demand had arisen for what was called " Anstey's Pure."-- (Laughter.) But what had happened since? He was told by the same authority that within the last fortnight the same people had come back to the establishment and said, "Let us have nothi• g to do with that stuff for which we paid Is. Bd. a pound, but give us the old mixture at ls. a pound."—(Hear, and laugh er. ) The law of 43d George, which had been misrepresented, only provides sgainst the introduction of vegetable substances, and would afford no protection against the admixture of bone-dust and horses' blood. He had had this mixture examined, and it turned out that it was not horses' blood which it contained, but horse beans.—(Laughter.) It had been asserted that the importation of coffee decreased last year, but the Hon. Gentleman who made that statement forgot to tell them that the impo tation of other potables— tea and cocoa—had increased. He hoped the Irish Members would well weigh this matter, for it was very important to Ireland. He knew from residing in t hat country that this beverage was fast creeping into consumption there, and he therefore called—not on the Hon. and Learned Member for Youglial, who, probably, did not care much for Ireland, in asmuch as he was never likely again to represent an Irish constituency, but on the other Irish Members, to resist the motion of the Hon. Member for Huntingdon. He knew that Hon. Member's motives to be perfectly pure, but there were parties behind, large owners and consignees of tea and coffee, to whom a reversal of their policy might make a dif ference of 25 per cent. on their money stock. Let the House not be made the tool of a commercial operatien. Mr. G. BERKELEY said, that the question before the House was simply this—whether the Government were to sanction a fraud in this country or not ?—(Hear, hear.) He held in his hand a document of the greatest importance— namely, a report from the Commissioners in British Guiana as to the state of that colony and its exportations. He would be glad to hear the Hon. Under-Secretary for the Colonies explain why this report had not been laid upon the table up to the present moment? It appeared by this report that the export of sugar and c ffee had gradually decreased during the last 20 years—but the decrease in the exportation of coffee within the three or four latter years was most serious. The policy of free trade bad inflicted great injury upon the landed proprietors of this country, and these were not times when their interests and those of the colonies should be divided. The same policy that had brought ruin upon the colonies was bringing ruin upon this country.---,Eear, hear.) Unless they stood tog ther shoulder to shoulder to check this invasion upon their just rights, they would find that it would un doubtedly end in the ruin of the 'whole community. He trusted that the proposition of the Hon. Member for Hunt iugdon would be carried. Mr. WAKLEY said that this subject, if properly dis cussed, out to occupy but a very short space of time. The question, in reality, was this—Would the Government of England sanction a practice of this sort? - (Hear, hear.) It was not a question as to whether chicory was unhealthy or not; but whether the Government, whose duty it was to institute prosecutions for offences of adulteration, was to sanction an adulteration in the article of coffee for purposes not as yet explained. (Hear, hear.) He believed that the Government, in taking this course, was acting most unjustly, immorally, and injuriously, bUth as respected their own character, and the character of the British Legislature. He regretted that he was not present during the entire of the debate, but he understood that he had been alluded to by the Hon. Member for Essex ( •ir J. Tyrell), whom he saw in his place. It appeared that the Hon. Baronet had re ceived a letter from some person, whom he had not named. He (Mr. Wakley) held the document in his hand. He did not know whether he ought to read it—(" No, no," from Sir J. TYaELL.) It was curious writhag. The author appeared to have had a twist in his hand as well as in his head,—(A laugh.) The writer said he had no doubt but that the agitation on this subject had been set on foot by the coffee merchants and grocers, and that it was impossible but that the Lancet and other publications were in their pay. Now (observed Mr. Wakley) they said that the practice of the Government in sanctioning this adulteration was calculated to have an injurious effect upon the morals of the people. He was sorry to find that that injurious effect had even extended to the Hon. Baronet the Member for Essex. That Hon. Baronet was at one time esteemed and respected as a noble-hearted, very droll, straightforward, and honourable man. He did not, however, hesitate on that evening to read an extract from a letter in that House con veying an odious; and scandalous imputation of this kind, without reading also the name of the slanderer. If the Hon. Baronet were acquainted with a single fact or circumstance to justify him in conveying such an insinuation, in former times, before he was reduced to hies present wreck of morality, he would have boldly stood upon the floor of the House, and have named the party who lead made the accusation.— (Laughter ) But now it appears, notwithstanding the for mer high attributes of his character, he is sunk to this de grading level, although he is still the country gentleman par excellence.—(Loud cries of "- Oh, oh.") Why, if he were guilty of what was imputed to him in that letter, he was unfit to sit in that House or to mix in respectable society.—(Hear, hear.) Throughout those proceedings, he assured the House that he was solely influenced by public grounds and considerations entirely, and that he had never been influenced in his conduct by individual feelings. He would further assure the Hon. Baronet, that outside of that House he was not personally acquainted with any grocer or coffee merchant, nor had he any private communications with such persons. What he had done was solely from public considerations and on behalf of the public health, which he believed was damaged by this adulteration.— ( Rear.) If he had said anything that was painful to the Hon. Baronet's feelings he begged at once to recal the words. It was not his intention to make any insinuations in reference to him—(Laughter)—as he entertained the highest respect for his personal character. Sir J. TYRELL could assure the Hon. Member for Fins bury that in reading the extract referred to, from a com munication he had received that morning, he did not mean to convey any insinuation whatever against the Honourable Gentleman. He entirely acquitted him of any such motives. But when motives of a corrupt nature were so bandied about he thought he might as well read the do cument in question.—(Laughter.) Mr. HUME referred to a Treasuty minute in reference to this subject. A prosecution having been commenced in Liverpool for a fraud upon the revelers() by the adulteration of coffee with chicory, the Chancellor of the Exchequer l eas ap plied to for instructions upon the subject. The Right Hon. Gentleman replied by saying that such a proceeding was im proper, as it: could not be considered that the revenue was defrauded, the duty being paid upon chicory. fie would support the Government. Mr. CAYLEY said that a great many of his constituents were growers of chicory, as they lotted that nothing else would pay them. He was therefore oppose row d t th. o any proposi tion that was calculated to di scoursige i ts g ' The House then divided, w h en th ere appeared 122 For Mr. Baring's motion -se Against it 199 Majority againstth e . ruotion --77 CUSTOMS BILL—TIMBER DUTIES. The House then went into Committee upon the Customs Bill. Upon the clause respecting timber being proposed, Mr. BERRIES thought it right to call the attention of the Chancellor of the E `chequer to the alterations proposed to be made in the timber duties. From all parts of the country, and from Liverpool more especially, they had re ' ceivea strong remonstrances against the alteration o f th e timber duties. F ro m the city of Liverpool, especially, h e had had the hon our of presenting a petition to the House upon the subject. In this petition there were several strong Tesomnsanunrseer it was urged for not making the change in these d u ti es i n proposed. The Canadian, th e co l on i a l , the the shipping interest had already suffered much injury by the alterations made in those duties, and were likely to suffer much more serious injury by the proposition of the Right Hon. Gentleman. It would be remembered that in 1e46 an adjustment was made of the timber duties in order to carry out what were called the principles of free trade, It was well known that the restrictive duties then put on had reference to the difference of freight between the Baltic and North American timber. The difference of duty he thought was about atts. The difference of freight was at the time 28s. in the one case and 14s. in the other. They now proposed to take off from both parties interested the same sum of 10s., which would in effect favour considerably the Baltic trade. He was not prepared to go specifically into the question, but wished merely to throw out the suggestion for the con , sideration of the Chancellor of the Exchequer. These alte ' rations had also the effect of giving to the Baltic shipowner a decided advantage over Canada. This WAS altogether in %10 ......, , °.,...•••0•••••••.....u..0Y01.......a.......... 1 form that opposition toethe principle upon which the alterations i. a_ factory, gr the duties were made, which were to give the advantage tee able and at the British shipowner over the foreign shipowner. He hope° 1 law should that the Right Hon. Gentleman would give him some better would i wo z n il p i o D il su a ch pri i explanation upon this point than anything he had as y et to believe heard him give. Ile did not intend to ask rue Committe e t o abo ut to en divide upon the proposition, nor was be then l'ully prep ared som parativ to go into the whole que s tion. He hoped that in 'a short these d ays time he would be able to call their attention to the present eassi ons. • state of their shipping interest, when this questicle be put prominently forward for discussion. He woold then we at presi have a better opportunity of showing how extrem ,ll Y 'F l a : politic it was for the Government to adopt the course Will"! Of raising they proposed. In the meantime he wished to re Vein A'reaterthe some explanation on the point from the Chancellor of ' the the greater Exchequer. far from la' The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER did not me 'an Vie mode ( to enter into any question of the navigation•laws. He I. al: I would 1 lieved that so far from any interest having suffered by ta 10 the Exea e alteration in these duties, this alteration had proved most be ee at may t il l neficial to the shipping interest as well as to the people gee duty,` or a nerally. He was glad the Right Hon. Gentleman would• But althou offer no opposition on this occasion, as no opposition had been . o eleparatie made on a former occasion when there had been a reducti on i ee i l s persua of the timber duties. It would be a hardship if per.so ns were Ith H et shou ld h h l oevnllghcl now to be called upon to pay the duty twice, as it heed been direct ta: suggested. He begged to say that he never consider , ed the even the law of 1846 as a final settlement of this question ; btre f • that system, i whenever an opportunity presented itself they ought I. I re- principle. duce the duties on an article of such great important e as able !_.•n in P?incii timber for building and various other purposes. He was , . to say that the importation of colonial woods had incre at. tied, whilst that of foreign timber had fallen off. He refer'' , ec.' to ° P 't t Nzll'ienaeeenc.P!'nableniies: the circular of one of the largest timber dealers to show that ta •d be the consumers had received the whole of the benefit of the b j.ation reduction of the duty. Another, a large builder, told 1 lira 'establishesen abe that the reduction of the duty made to him the difference ill e the price of the roofing of a house. Mr. MITCHELL was understood to say that to the con— sumer the reduction in the prices of Baltic timber was 10s. a. than a lei load, whilst the reduction of the duty was only 7s. 6d. He' e _ that could say that Canadian timber had increased in value since , !e , its orip direct t the reduction of the duty. He did not approve of the- attempts. stunt its °rip that were made to interfere with these arrangements, and he y, h, told the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Herries) that he .did not tereaorary represent the shipping interest in this country on the present ?es c ary, o , question; that the only persons opposed to the change . were r t.' hing great shipping owners in Glasgow, fleet of ships in Canada. You come f who had built a great -Principle i do • Mr. HERRIES replied that the Hon. Gentleman was' en- f is that +hely mistaken in thinking he was connected with in diVie °Un ded ui duals in Glasgow. There was neither truth nor justic ein , la h te . ed it, to such an imputation. Representations had come to him on I Sea-, l e this subject from Ireland, great pores in England, and GI Is- ! Int rows: had imir3set'; banavde Iva: gory amongst the rest. As to the Right Hon. Gentleman tbe e a a e 4 if car Chancellor of the Exchequer, he had not answered at all t. ' lO ' -` time, km matter of objection that he had touched upon. "e MI ca The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER explained. (Cheers P ) Mr. `YAWN objected that under the present system a ship. • by Sir li e ' could be built at Bremen duty free, and on arriving at a e introdu port had all the advantages of a British register. Speech he Mr. HUME, as a supporter of the repeal of the naviga tion-laws, complained of the heavy burdens impost'd upon a l a ng e p a r t in er ( the coasting trade by the lighthouse dues. Those: dues I tt ' si o lcra t e lc .e y uurs a e n .( , ought to be put upon a different footing, as it had be en re- e emPorary commended by two Committees of that House. The Board ' f tla act illie. of Trade could not be got to move, and the consequenc e was that t their coasting trade was. destroyed—there was not - • only s ea _nl a e the the loss of money, but there was the loss of a sups 4y . of . . seamen. the t - The Marquis of GRANBY maintained that the colonial interest looked upon the agreement of 1846 as being fin'al; l ie hi r t i l h l e " r f i c lve:uireenctheiri and he could not now allow the Bill to pass without p ro testing against the injury inflicted by this system of legisihr . , _ year he sea .I!xxi t g h we e :3 E in x V teen upon their colonies. air. CARDWELL observed that the principle laid downi, , o ‘l'lleelesashinkouicnytd(l. in 1849 was to remit duties upon all the great raw rmeterials: - a'''. fC of manufactures. They had done this with cotton, silk, flax:- , • wool; a d now a ship was the only article which was ad; ' mitted duty free when manufactured. and yet a duty on the articles of which it was composed. He was' though a very glad that in this Bill they were making a step in ed.- of the I vance by lowering the duties on those articles. He wig- • f ram ,_ , gested that lancewood poles should be included with furiat- h e eel'g e aid fra turn wood. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER promised t 0 , time for a consider the question upon the bringing up the report. Mr. A. BAILLIE observed that the reduction of the timber cannot co duty was no advantage to the agriculture of this country. on Our fin There never was a time within the last 100 years in which . impost native timber was so unsaleable as the present moment.-- (Hear.) He had occasion lately to refer to the sale of timaer . pas li:etT for the last 100 years, and he found that, while almost every other article had risen in value, the case was different as to timber. an amour The resolutions were then agreed to, the schedule amended, Plied to 1 the preamble arranged, and the Bill was ordered to be re.- (Hear, 1 ported with amendments. since th INHABITED HOUSE-DUTY BILL.—FINANCIAL RE - p a , art o f SOLUTION. templatic Upon the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHE - B ut I _ QUER that the House resolve itself into Committee on this the H our Bill • When I Mr. DISRAELI said—The Hon. Gentleman the Member ae h iev erc for Bridport (Mr. Mitchell) has very unexpectedly made a dalged in very unfair attack upon me. The Hon. Gentleman seems the eor nr to suppose that it is not legitimate in a Memberof this Hausa el nlwhi to question the propriety of any vote at which this House - e (Hear,danger, a h t may have arrived; that if once its opinion is expressed. in d angers that manner— taatropb, Mr. MITCHELL—Without opposition. th e y h ay mortal Mr. DISRAELI—Y es , w ith ou t o pp os ition—for lam not A nd y'. ) 1. e a aware that the explanation of the Hon. Member makes any , it is re , change in the question he thus raises, or in the principle for . tfheaattu.lrieui which he contends.—(Hear.) Does the Hon. Gentleman t 11? ece mean to say that a vote of this House is equivalent to an thr:f'4evt9e Act of Parliament? Such it is not in the contemplation, • templet of the Legislature.- (Hear.) It has always been suppose°. Would e• that when a Ministry came forward and requested of this coropaa House to sanction an alteration in the tariff it did so under thee_ circumstances that had been so well matured and considered arid root that there was the prospect that its proposition would be fairly cc adopted with so much certainty that the country might' g i ai Derail) , assume that the vote which it had called for veeu,d. (Rear ) afterwards be ratified in the form of a Bill. No doubt wou ld baps ' . generally be entertained that such an anticipation woe , ' ' a z; , eat afterwards be justified by the act. Still it never has been 4 i nc , supposed that a vote of this House on the tariff could be re- souse t( garded as eoual to a solemn decision by an Act of the Legis- that thiE lature —(Hear.) What, then, has happened in this session? consider than et 1 What are the circumstances that have occurred? Thi s [louse has been called upon to assent to certain alteration s • founded in the tariff under quite different circumstances from !Po n th eee e e the circumstances under which the Bill is now brought a r il s before the House, and which Bill is the consequence of the . teed, wi vote on the tariff. The circumstances of the revenue are cilele wt almost entirely changed between the one period and the other. the sari Is there not the proof that the condition of the revenue of this aPalicat country to a certain degree is now in a precarious position , . say nail and that the surplus which was announced by the Minister at Sur now the commencement of the session, and which as a surplus he distributed in the mode which seemed best to him —one of the fins hese being the remission of the timber duties referred to by corned, the Hon. Gentleman—but that since that proposition was analysis made the surplus that had been calculated upon as certain that i has become essentially provisional.—(Hear.) Under these sent . n circumstances, then, I thought I was not taking an unusual assume course; but, on the contrary, that I was taking one which is surplus in accordance with the customs of this House - that is, not depend a only actually proper, but called for. Before this House is Chance prorogued, and that we are sent back to our constituents, %vete this House, the country, and our constituents should clearly e t urelus understand what is their financial position.—(Hear, hear.) false, d It has ale ays been considered that that was a topic on which intendi it was most important that we should possess the most clear of will conceptions ; it always was considered that that subject was (Hear, peculiarly the care of the House of Commons. If we re- three r turn to our constituents now we may give them, as regard/ 3 • Minor the exercise of our functions, a very clear, and, upon the sition 1 whole, I hope, a very satisfactory account. When the House " for me met it announced to us that one important interest in Oil Windo, country was suffering great distress. As to the causes of ' a e ocial, that distress Gentlemen in this House were divided; but no ' I Mai doubt was entertained that the subject was one of great in- Windo terest and importance. And no one can deny that it has regret been discussed amply this session, and that the House by con- flatly siderable numbers on both sides, who by their speeches or their had it votes manifested an interest in that subject, has shown the , Piaci , constituencies of the country that it has taken care to arrive the pi at a distinct and definite conclusion on the subject.—(llearf a surf hear.) So, also, with that all interesting subject, the Papal - ing a aggression. Whatever may be the contrary opinions of hear.' Members of this House, there is no doubt that we have pure • ranch sued a course which has conducted us to a result which the , fatale country can understand.—(Hear.) Government, for in- entree stance, has brought in a Bill which they considered all what efficient Bill, but which, on this side of the House, was not most considered to be an efficient Bill; and the united efforts of than the two parties- in the House, whi c h th e country must ac- class, knowledge, even if it does not realise that which it expected, the a have at least produced a piece of legislation which is clear possi in its object and definite in the results it wishes to attain.--• and •1 (Hear.) But if you come to the question of finance, ' , defy resot any Member of Parliament to go back to his constituents Stan and tell them clearly what is the condition of our finances. -e- ' d wel (Hear.) a ear.)Yhether we have a surplus or whether we. have whic surplus; Whether the winces of our revenue are pea• lion manent or whether they are fleeting; wh e th er they are pro- iecte visional, and, if provisional, whether they are provided for wits a time so brief that, before another year shall have elapsed, upa the principal features of our financial system may be changed. the On this topic, then —the revenue of the country, which de.w tam pends upon the taxation of the subject—we are not in a do i position at the present moment to speak with that satisfac' win tory certainty which our constituents have a right to expect afte and to demand from us. Sir, it was with this view tax of the case that I have thought it my duty to endea- tha deavour to induce the House of Commons to enter into a con discussion upon the present state of the finances of the the country—a discussion limited to that interesting and im- der por tant topic, admitti ng no extraneous matter; and indee d ra e t hir.:aiuti introduced niaoet and odt t d h wah e nhe eiuedhnt subject unimpassioned hpoa sdpose commandi n om o n t ea dy ti beshpei, requireiedtt: attention discussed e e elnd x a t ei nt r t ar; teaha e extrane ou s taulostn House.naa a t y aid, I t chi I i the t ilm e t ter to is n o tio shallpart havewith all no mdeeafenrienngcewpitlehcre beforeespe respect to the the H opinions th ion e sw er hi t c h h en l ho ell that which I h ave attempted to express in the resolutions ca which I hav e l a id on the table of the House. I shall ca.' tainly set no ex amp l e o f adm i tting i nto th i s d i scussion an/ 'eh eel other considerations than those which are essentiallyfinancial, th and I am persuaded, if the debate be conducted in that spirit, be that, whatever may be the conclusion we arrive at, the dee h( bate will be one which will pot discredit the House, but tend W to satisfy the public.—(Hear, hear.) It is scarcely necessary to for me to call the memory of the House to the financial state- di ment of the Minister which was made • early this session. lel The House was congratulated on the advantage of having s of financial statement made when the House met early in Fe- g bruary, but that financial statement, so far as its details h are coucerned, and I will even say its principle, is not come ii plated at the end of June.—(Hear, hear.) On that occra. ( sion the Chancellor of the Exchequer calculated that a sure 1 plus of about two millioas sterling was at his disposition; and he stated to the House several remissions of, t taxation, which, assisted by th a t sur pl us , i rres p ec ti v e of 1 maintaining a fund for the reduction of the public debt, he I contemplated to accomplish. 'That surplus, I need not re- 1 mind the House, was assumed upon the fact that the House I of Commons would renew the expiring tax upon income. • Upon the assumption that that renewal would take place, 1 and for no inconsiderable time, not merely for a term of three • years, but until certain results were obtained, which the • most sanguine cannot suppose are of easy or immediate se' cemplisbment—upon the assumption of that law being re newed, the Chancellor of the Exchequer found himself ill possession of this surplus. Now I would beg the attention of the House—tor the consideration is important —to the cha racter of the tax the renewal of which was the basis of the financial statement of the Minister. Considerable contro versy has often taken place as to the intentions of the emi nent Minister who first reintroduced the tax upon proper*" and income into our modern financial system—considerable controversy has subsisted as to the real intentions of Sir E- Peel—whether in effect it was his intention originally that the tax upon income should be a temporary tax, or whether that was only a Parliamentary pretence under which he wished to introduce a permanent feature of our financial system. Now I wish to state my belief, and to adduce the reason for that belief, that the object of Sir R. Peel in the intro: duotion of the Sex non ,inOme wee a temporary olteot, iv