The Sun. — London, England, 1851-05-20 00:00:00

GERMANY Accounts have been received from Frankfort to the 16th. ELECTION COMMITTEE. HARWICH. The Committee sat again yesterday, and proceeded with the objections on the part of the sitting Member to the votes polled by Mr. Cranford. On the conclusion of the scrutiny the room was cle ired, and on the parties being admitted, The CHAIRMAN announced that the Committee had determined that Mr. Prinsep, not being duly qualified in accordance with the provisions of the let and 2d Vic.. cap. 48, entitled "An Act to emend the Laws relating to the qualification of Members to serve in Parliament," Was not duly elect e d f or t h e b orough of Harwich to serve in the present Parliament, and that the last election was therefore a void election. before the end L -., ue again in Eng• land. And you n. _ .... c . shall not be sorry when I can exclaias with truth. "Jusundiacti labor es." M. von Rochow, the Russian Envoy, was to leave that city on the evening of the 17th for Warsaw. No sitting of the Diet for other than formal business was expected for some days. No date bas been fixed for the dissolution of the Central Provisional Commission of the Bund, now practically superseded. - - The garrison of Frankfort has not been increased, nor hnd any troops been concentrated r oun d i t; b ut the several 'States had agreed to put two-fifths of the Federal military contingent on such a footing that it could be put in motion within eight days. -- - POLICE INTELLIGENCE. WESTMINSTER. • A gentleman applied for a summons against an omni bus conductor fur deceiving him with respect to the route of his carriage. The trick was one of a more than ordinarily disgrace. ful character, the gentle man, who is evidently a stranger in London, having been taken a considerable distance in the omnibus in a di rection diametrically opposite to his destination. The applicant hailed the omnibus in St. Paul's Churchyard, and inquired whether it went to the Colosseum, and upon the conductor informing him that he could put him down very near it the gentleman got in, and after riding some distance was set down at Chet !lea Church, near Battersea-bridge, the conductor point mg to a turning and telling him to go up there. The gentleman did so, but after proceeding some distance, ascertained upon inquiry at a tradesman's shop that a gross deceit had been practised upon him, as he was at least three miles from the Coloss-um. Having subse quently ascertained the conductor's number, he applied to the Lord Mayor, who referred him to this court. The clerk was about to take the gentleman's instruc tions for a summons in the usual way, but it having been previously held by Mr. Burrell that where the traveller is " deceived" at the time of getting into the carriage, and " undeceived" when he alights and discovers the disgraceful trick that has been practised upon him, be should apply for his remedy where he was imposed upon, he eonsidered it his duty to call the gentleman's atten tion to the circumstance of the false representation having been made in St. Paul's-churchyard, which, ac cording to the above view, would be the place where the offence was committed, when Mr. Burrell expressed his opinion that, although the charge might be viewed as a continuing offence within his jurisdiction, the case was one especially within the Lord Mayor's district, and re ferred him back to his Lordship. The gentleman, who was actuated only by a desire to protect the public, expressed, as may naturally be sup posed, his concern at discovering there was so much dif ficulty in the matter. WORSHIP-STREET. Thomas Bates, a powerful blackguard-looking fellow, was brought up before Mr. Hammitl, charged with being concerned with several men not in custody in the follow ing brutal attack upon Mr. Josiah Mason, a tradesman in Goswell-street. The complainant, accompanied by a friend, entered a public-house in the Kingsland-road to procure some re treshment, after a walk, on the preceding evening, and there Saw the prisoner and four or five other men drink ing at the bar. Two young women also entered a few minutes afterwards, one of whom was showing her foot, which had been injured, to the other, when the pri soner's wife interfered with them and made use of some filthy expression, and upon the young woman expressing her resentment, she struck her such a violent blow in she face that her eye became swollen and black. The complainant reproved the prisoner's wife for such an un provoked and cruel attack, and was immediately set upon by the prisoner and his companions with such ferocity that the landlord was obliged to interfere for his protec tion, and the whole gang were ejected from the house. There they made such a disturbance and uttered such vindictive threats, that the complainant, his friend, and the two young women were afraid for a long time to leave the house, and were at length let secretly out at the pri vate door; but they had no sooner got into the street than they were discovered by the prisoner and the other men, the former of whom rushed upon the prosecutor and struck him down by a violent blow in the face, while his wife and the four other men beat and kicked him about the head and body as he lay upon the pavement in such a brutal and savage manner that, as one of the witnesses expressed it, "he was completely covered with blood, and appeared to ba perfectly emaciated." The screams of th e women , an d cries for the police from several of the neighbours, ultimately brought up several constables, who rescued the prosecutor from further in jury and took the prisoner into custody, but his com panions effected their escape. When called upon for his defence the prisoner said that he had been struck first by the complainant is blow on,the mouth which knocked out one of his teeth, but be acknowledged that he had no witnesses to corrobo rate his statement; and this being positively contradicted by the complainant and another witness, who declared that if he had sustained such an injury he must have re ceived it in the course of his being ejected from the house by the landlord and his assistants to protect the plaintiff from his violen ce , Mr. flespireL, after commenting severely upon the prisoner's outrageous and wanton conduct, ultimately consented, at the instance of the complainant, to adju dicate upon the case summarily, and sentenced the pri soner to pay the extreme penalty of 51., or, in default, to be committed to the House of Correction for two months. The prisoner was not able to pay the penalty, and he was therefore removed in the van. CLERKEN WELL. Placido Cornoti, an Italian, who was described in the police sheet as a picture-frame . maker, of 3, Summer street, Clerkenwell, was charged with having violently assaulted and stabbed at police-constable Ward, No. 141 G division; and M ar y Sl a t er an d Mary Collins were also charged with having assaulted the officer and at tempted to rescue the prisoner. Ward, whose head was bound up and who was much injured, deposed that yesterday morning, at about two o'clock, he was on duty in Warner -street, Cold Bath fields, Clerkenwell, when his attention was attracted by a noise, and on proceeding to the spot ho found the pri soners, who were hootieg and disturbing the whole neighbourhood. He remonstrated with them, and urged them to go home quietly, when the man turned upon him and abused him. Witness took him into custody, on which the female prisoner rushed at him and at tempted to rescue the male prisoner. Police-c mstables 244 and 270 G came to his assistance, and they suc ceeded in apprehending the prisoners. The male pri soner was exceedingly outrageous, and fought and kicked at witness and knocked him down. He then took a knife from his pocket, swore he would rip him open, and made a stab at witness, but mischief was prevented in consequence of the point of the blade coming in con tact with his belt, which was cut. Constable 244 G confirmed this evidence. When he saw the prisoner take the knife from his pocket, deli berately open it, and make a stab at Wald, he (witness) struck him on the arm with his staff, and he dropped the knife. 270 G gave corroborative testimony. The prisoners denied the charge. The male prisoner affected ignorance of the Englia.h language, until the woman Slater said she had known Mr. Curnoti for the last four years. She met him on Sunday night, when he asked her to have something to drink. Mrs. Collins and herself accompanied him to a public-house, where they drank together, and they were only anxious to get him home. BRITISH PROTESTANT CHAPEL AT FLORENCE, The following correspondenc e has taken place between the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs and her Ma jesty's Minister at Florence, on the subject of certain charges brought by the Tuscan Government, to the • effect that the British chapel at Florence has been con ducted with a view to making prosely tea to Protestant worship:— THE BON P. C. SCARLETT To VISCOUNT PALMERSTON. (Receivd January 28.) " M " Florence, J anuary 20, 1851. y Lord,—A charge has been brought against the British Protestant Church at Florence by the Tuscan Government, of having been in the practise of teaching Tusean subjects the doctrines of the Protestant faith in the Italian language, and of adopting other practices specified, contrary to the ecclesiastical regulations and laws of Tuscany. " I have the honour to inclose a copy of a note re ceived o n t hi s su bj ect from the Duke of Casigliano,andof my reply to t h at note, which last contains a refuta tion of those accusations, grounded on a letter,ac to copy of which I a l so i nclose, which has been addressed me by the c h urc h vestry at Florence , by which your Lordship will b e conv i nced that t h ere h a s been no sort of foundation for making the accusation.allency, I have c st since sending my r e ply to his Excellency, been informed both by him and by Signor Landucei, that the explan at i on I have afforded apceariisatis may havefaetory,and that it is po ss ible the Tuscan Government been misinformed by their own awhorities. that it is now the obser . re h _" Your Lordship will Cus tom for the police to attend ins a i t d a e te t d he t e o h m ur e l n on co S n a y. n e d r:a y : " The Duke of Casigliano &ion, that orders had ccimefromthe Prussian. Mission at Rome to sanction the Tuscan Government in prohibit ing the pastor of the Swiss Church at Fl orence from . preaching in Italian to Tuscan subjects who h to f r equent have for soeae time been accustomed that church, t h e practice in future, he said, would be Majesty's forbidden.—l IL le Chargé d'Affai res have, &0., (Signed) "P. CAM PBELL SCARLETT. " "Florence, J anuary 9, 1851. ,--- representative at Florence, applied to Her Britanniche Grand D uca l Gnvernment in 1838 for permission to open und er protection a privat e chapel for the purposes of Anglican worship. The T uscan Government complied wi:h the request of the Minister of England, on the condition, however, that this chapel should be wholly and exclu sively private, which was moreover the natural result of the public law of Tuscany, in which there exists a state religion protected by the State. " The Grand Ducal Government has now been in formed that in the Anglican chapel in the Via del Maglio, , all those who desire to take part in the service are freely admitted, and it is even known that the custom of pray f; and catechizing in the Italian language has been in troduced there. Many Cetholics, Tuscan Subjects, im bibe there principles and sentiments contrary to the dominant religion, and publicly propagate the same. The Tuscan Government is deeply sensible of the duty of not tolerating such an abuse, and of opposing a state of thins which, combined with other effects made of the same character and with the like object, would infallibly lead to the weakening of the Catholic religion in Tuscany. " Accordingly, I cicein it my duty to acquaint you, M. le Chargé d'Affaires, that if the abuse which I have • pointed out to you is continued, the Grand Ducal Go vernment is resolved to adopt all the measures which shall be neceseary to prevent Tuscan subjects from taking part in the religious ceremonies of the Anlican chapel.—Re ce i ve, & c., g (Signed) " LE Due DE CASIGLIANO." THE HON. P. SCARLETT To THE DUKE OF cASIGLIANO. , Jan. 16 l " M. Le Ministre,—l have lhorenee delayed until , no e w sl. to reply to your Excellency's note of January 9, relating to the charges brought by the Tuscan Government agaiest the British Protestant Church at Florence, for supposed interference with the religion of the State, by the adoption of certain practices specified by 3 our Ex cellency's communication to me, and alleged to have been sanctioned by that establishment. " I had the honour, in conversation, to observe to your Excellency, that I apprehended it would be found, on due investigation, that the accusations advanced were groundless and erroneous, and that the Tuscan Govern ment had been deceived and misled in this matter, to the prejudice of the British churn in this city. n Le this belief I was not mistaken, and I have much satisfaction i n i nc l os i ng to your Excellency ' the accom panying statement, drawn up by the committee appointed for the management of the English Cnurch, to whom 1 forwarded a copy of your Excellency's note. "In this statement., signed by the secretary of the committee, and addreeseu ,to me, every point in your Excellency's note has been answered seriatim, either by a direct denial of the facts imputed, or by an explana tion which cannot but prove eatisiactory to the Tuscan Government. " I: appears from this document that neither prayers, preaching, or teaching in the Italian language has ever been resorted to, nor in nine other language, with refer ence to Tuscan subjects. That no Tuscans have either been invited to enter, or c7eutiraged to frequent, the Pro testant church, eeettepting the p Alice authorities seat there by the Tuscan Government; and I am further Ril thorised to stare, that no Protestant books have ever been translated, printed, or circulated among Tuscan subjects with the sanction of the, church in question. " Such being the state of the case, I trust your Ex cellency and the Tuscan Government will entertain the same conviction as I do myeelf, that the charges which have been brought against the English Church have no real foundation, and must have been caused by some centuaion and misunderstanding of the truth, as I feel convinced that it is, and always has been, the sincere desire of that religious institution to conform entirely to the regulation required by the Tuscan Government, from IT Which 7t haiseniever deviated.—l seize this occasion, &e, (Signed) "P. CAMPBELL SCARLETT." The select vestry of the church have given a distinct denial, seriatim, of the allegations contained in the letter of the Tuscan Minister for Foreign Affairs. They state tor hat nu custom hai been nateeitueei of making prayers reading catecnisine in the Lanett: language, ant that no language had been used in the church ministrations save VISCOUNT PALXERSTON TO THE RIGHT HON. R. L. sIIEIL. Fereige-,.thee, Feb. 3, 1851. " have received Mr. Scerlett's dispatch of the 20th ult., enclosing copies of a correspondence with the Duke of Casigliano, respecting an unfounded iteousatiou brought by the Tuscan Government against the parties concerned in the naanenetnent of the affairs of the British chapel at Florence ; that they conducted the services in that chapel in a way calculate.] to alienate the miuds•of Tuscan subjects from the Roman Catholic faith. " I have to instruct you to say to the Duke of Casig lieno, that her Majesty's Government ta 'let that this eorreiapondenco Will si,o4 this yuccas Government that they ought not to place too implicit reliance on the :secret information which way reach them; and you will also say, that though the papers inclosed Scarlett's dispatch are satisfactory to her ,Majesty's Government, as showing that the Britidsh residents at F lorence have str i ctly com pli with the conditions on which permission was given for the establishment of a Protestant chapel, Yet her • ' sial,impresarstY Govern ent cannot disguise the into lerant *o4r Which they w have received g t'rom the .s curia which is manifested in the Duke of Casig contrast ..__".unic'stio n , and which affords so remarkable a ;; th the liberal and enlightened system which prevesoi at th e cibe 1' religious b 1 - Kingdom, in regard to the exer patch to the (' tef.—You will give a copy of this Dukedis of Casigliano.—l am, &C. • (Signed) " PALMERSTON.' LIFE IN CALIFORNIA. We have been favoured with the following letter from a young Englishman, who has lately visited California._ a month since I arrived in San It is now n early been a S r a i n y Francisco, California, March 14. Francisco. During that lime I havebusily em ployed,urtnitmeanadndmloasbtouiwr pt t o b r a t t an i: mines in Cali visiting California. a ll t h A e f ter d' li t h e r e e had cost me to reach this country, I fully expec , ed that nothing could repay the ; but I am agreeably d for all my troubles. Even as a commonplace surprised, and consider that I am n ow amply re warde traveller, I find in California a wid e fi e l d of interest. The strange conglomeration of society; the practical results of an experimental system er':' self-government; the peculiarities of a conatitution, framed not so much on the models of others as from individual causes and local necessities, are things which no other part of the world afferds such perfsct specimens of as California. Political economists and funded proprietors speculate on its immediate influences; while philosophers, on the other band, prognosticating its ultimate destiny, look upon this country as the means of advancing civili.ation and propagating Christianity from the eastern to the western shores of the Pacific. Without, however , indulgin g i n any such lucubrations, 1 with whi c h I have but small concern, I content myself with the ordinary avocation of gratifying curiosity and of being amused. On entering the bay of San Francisco, the first object that strikes one is the enormous mass of shipping. Lon don and Liverpool are of course beyond comparison, but with the exception of these, and perhaps New York I know of no other port which contains so great a number of vessels. The town itself is equally remarkable. When one reflects that eighteen months ago a few scat tered tents were the only habitations in the place, one looks with simaieinent on the city, which is daily in creasing, and which already numbers over 30,000 in habitonts. The site of the town is a steep sandy hill, but Yankee ingenuity is rapidly removing this inconvenience by levelling the hill and filling up the bay. The greater number of the buildings are upon piers stretching into the sea, and a lot of some 40 feet square of " water surface" is worth about 5,000 dolls. In the very centre df the town are several large ships, dis masted and roofed over. Their strange looking broad sides are detorated with the signs of different shops; and as they form a portion of the regular street, one wonders, at first, what eccentric characters have taken the trouble to paint their houses with two black stories and a white one in the middle. Already there are several theatres, a French vaudeville, and one Italian Opera! And notwithetending the strong national propensity of the people for business, one of the principal features of San Francisco, and indeed of every town in California, is the gambling houses. They are never closed and they are always full. It would be difficult to give you a correct idea of these infernal re gions, or to describe the strange scenes which daily take place in them. Picture to yourself enormous rooms. gaudily decorated, filled with some 400 or 500 people of all classes, without distinction of age, rank, or sex. Mon. é." "Faro," " Rouge et Noir," ere the favourites among an endless variety of games. The tables are co vered with money, surmounted with ornamental lumps of gold and bags of dust. At one end or the room is, of course, a bar; at the other is a band. The excitement of the play, the effects of the liquor, the influence of the music, and, above all, the confusion of languages is, as you may imagine, what the Yankees call ' some " Everybody is armed, from the ruffian who transfers his treasures from the mines to the gambler's table to the frail fair one who relieves the'gambler's pocket for the benefit of her own. Four times since I have been here —I wonder that it has happened no oftener —cliff rences of opinion, concerning, no doubt, points of honour, have been summarily die cussed and as summarily decided in these places by vir tue of a " five-shootsr." Three times out of the four the survivors experienced the pleasures of that prompt decision which they had so warmly advocated. In less than six hours alter the quarrels the law of Judge Lynch bad done its work and order was again restored. Such is life in a new country. Leaving San Francisco, I took my passage in a steamer to the city of Sacramento, a large town, a . bout 150 miles up the river, which bears the same name and situated at the extreme point of inland navigation. A day or two at this place sufficed to di-gust me with a re petition of the scenes I bad witnessed in San Francisco. Accordingly, by the first opportunity that offered I took my departure for Marysville, which, from its vicinity to the various branches of the Sacramento river, is the grand depot for all the miners of the wet " diggins " in Northern California, and consequently a point of interest to a sightseer. After spending a pleasant even ing with the editor of the Marysville Herald —who be/- tee-bye happened to be a genuine cockney, serving the city of Marysville in the several capacities of editor, play -actor, concert-giver, and auctioneer—l started the next morning fur the " Folks of the Yobs." A tew hours' bide along the Spurs of the Sierra Neveda brought me at last wiJiin sight of the go'd hunters. Two or three hundred men were at work upon what had formerly been the bed of the river. By the law of mutual agreement each miner is en titled to a certain portion of this " bar," as it is called, in which the gold is found. And as the precious metal cannot in such diggings be separated from the soil without the process of washing, the allotments are mea sured by 30 feet on the bank of the river and so far back as the bed extends—thus giving to each man his fair allowance of water. Generally speaking the original possessors have long since made their fortunes and sold their claims to others for large or small sums, according to the richness of the soil. The result is that these claims are now falling into the hands of small compa nies of three or four, who, in their turn, will sell them, as immigration increases, to companies of six or eight, and so on, till the individual gains are so small that the price of labour falls and the capitalists become the sole proprietors of the mines. Where three or four toge ther possess a "claim" each attends to his own de partment of the labour—one loosens the soil, another fills the barrow or cart, a third carries it to the river, and the fourth weehes it in the " rocker." If the dust is very fine, quieksilver is afterwards used to col lect it from the black sand. For the most part the mining is above ground—i. e., the death of the soil is seldom mere than six feet above the rock. In some places they area what they call " coyote digeins ;" these produce the same kind of dust, and are worked like coal mines, having shafts sometimes as deep as 60 feet. Mr. COMBE—Did be invi►e you to drink in the Eng lish langu4g. ? Prisoner—Yes, Sir, Mr. COMBE—Then he understands English? Prisoner —Oh dear, yea Sir, quite well.—(l laugh.) Mr. COMBE said it would have no good effect upon such a teliow as the prisoner to inflict a pecuniary fine. He would therefore sentenee him to one month's impri sonment, without fine, in the fl.tuae of Correction. The women were sentenced to pay a fine of 20s. Cornoti was taken from the bar and locked up. The average weight of gold made by each miner throughout the " wet diggins," or diggins where water is used for washia,; the geld, is nearly 4. z, or 7 dolls, a day. To give you an instance, howeve - r, of the amount of metal in the soil, which I had from a miner on the spot :—Three E”2lishmen b , ugb t a " claim," 30 feet by 100 feet, f or 1 ,400 d.,113. I:, had been twi ce b e f ore b ought and sold for misid vrable sums, each party who sold it tsh7pEgosningi,hitinpn paid their tobaneatrlyexpav dolls., h In three hr ie w e d e e l k 3 s , and dolls, a day b es id es fur their trouble. . This "claim," which is not an unusually rich one, though perhaps it has been more successfully worked. has produced in 18 months over 20 000 dolls., or 5,0001. worth of gold. After all one had beard of the dissipated habits and questionable characters of the miners, I was pr e p are d to •• rough it" duri ng my visits t o the mines, and when I round myself about to pass a night in a small tent designated the " miners home," in which over 40 of these gentlemen were assembled to drink, board, and lodge, I cannot say that I anticipated much pl,a sure in the prospect of sleeping four in a bed, or being at the "rule mercy" of # " crowd" of which I was the only one unarm d. But, strange to say, I never saw a more orderly congregation, or such good behaviour in such bad company; and the only thing that disturbed my peace was that one night the bunk in which I slept, not being sufficiently strong to support its unusual bur den, yaari.ed in the middle, and deposited its contents on the ground. I returned to San Francisco, and thence I went to the " dry diggins" in the south, The country is here truly beautitul, and, unlike the plains in the great valley of the Sacramento, is exceedingly fertile and capable of producing unlimited resources. Even in the present drought its valleys are watered by frequent rivu lets, while throughout the arid nature of the soil, com bined with the uncertainty of the seasons, will prevent that part of Calif orn i a ever b ecoming agricultural. Its mi neral wealth is, perhaps, the greatest in the world. The quartz rock, whiCh is supposed to bathe only permanent a t :_nr.ee from which gold w ill eventually be derived, ex nos north and south for more than a degree and half of latitude • a f rom 3Aleib and the quicksilver mines, now rendering stroy th e Nlari to 4,0001 b. of metal daily, threaten to de pou P f n eV . l3 4s mono of of the Rethschilds. At „ mug 2 7,, inria th ‘ e district of the quartz, a society pos pense, machine; claims" whom the have established, at a great ex men,Y. or cr ushing the rock. They employ 30 3' Pay at the month. Thisiociet - 1,500 dolls, a day, Pe rage of 100 dollars each a X„ .a i now making a clear gain of cted when capital44set's twill show -you what is to be ex difficult to say what the to the proportion of q uartz . part, which is all they work n u t t p takin g avoerwork in the country. It is ra y proportion of metal is only the richer esented by 15 or 20, end the gitart z b 100. making about one-fifth metal; and it is ascertainyed tifteenth y So much for statistics. I m t i ha h t. one more fully into detail, or I might enlarge c ontd t er e a e b t l e y r on general views; but I think that you have bad pretty nearly enough of the one, and I know that you aro betteyr able than lam to perform the rest for yourself. In the i.4nite,l space of a letter it is difficult, where so much may be said, to say what is interesting anti to l eave tin _ said what is not interesting; and more particularly i n writing to you it is DO ea l matter to make state- meats which, however new to most people, you most Probably are already conversant with. The interest, however, which must be felt concerning Ca 0 r ma, and the li tt l e that is at present known about it, must be m y r l y aPology for so great a trial on your patience. "'"gine how a nx i ous l am to h ear some news, when I tell you my last letter from England is more than nine months old ! I have relinquished the idea of South inerict, and Propose t • by the States instead. Oct a, , re urning ' ' sth I leave this by steamer for Acapulco; from that point / shall ride through nde through M,zico, and (D.V.) EB* M EN signifies that she AOANE mails are sent trona AILS the General Post-WIN:- by the night—and Mby the morning —dispatch.] When made up in PLACES. General P ost-o wat When Hice port From dis h - .. ue. London. pat c h e d . u - America (by Brit. pkt.)Nl May 23 America (by U.S. pkt.) N M ay 27 .. .. Liverpeol • • M ay 27 .• • • Liverpool • May 22 America (by US. pkt.) M Slay 21 .• .. Southall:mt. Africa (West coast).. N 14th of the month Plymouth June 3 Alexandria* .... •• .. N 19th & 30th of mo. Dover Belgium .. .. .. N Daily .. • • ..il/over .. May IS •. D Brazil .. • .. M 9th of th e month ISouthampt. June aily 12 Buenos Ayres .. .. M 9th of the month 'Southampt. Jurie I't California(viaChagres)M 17th of month Southarapt. May 20 Cape of Good Hope N 14th of month Plymouth •• June 3 Constantinople* .. •• N 7th 17th 27th of mo Dover •• June 5 Central America .. 11l 2d & 17th o f mon. Southampt. 5 Channel Isles .. .. N Mon., Wed., & Fri.lSoutampt. Tu. Th•S Chili .. .. .. . M 17th of the month Southampt.( May 20 France .. •• M& N Twice daily .. .. (Dover .. Twicedally Greece* .. .. .. N 7th 17th 27th ef mo /Dover • • May 20 Hamburgh .. .. N Tuesday & Friday London ••Tues. Holland .. • • .. M W ednes. & Satur. Loudon .. Mou• Sat, Th Honduras .. .. . N 17th of the month ' Southampt. May 20 rt Ireland .. ••M& N Twice daily .. .. (Holyhead .• 1 wicedaily India (via Sonthamp.) M 20th of the month Southanapt. May 23 India (via Marseilles) N,7thit 24th ofmonth 'Dover • • Arrived Mediterranean (via I Southampton) •• M 20th of the month Southampt. May 23 Mediterranean (via Marseilles) .. .. N 7th&24th ofmonth Dover • • Arrived Mexico .. .. —M2d of the month.. Southampt. June 5 Madeira • • • • .. M 9th of the month Southampt. June 12 Malta . .. .. N[7:ilo7tthh of month Dover May 20 month Naples* • . .. • • 17, 5 th 15th 25th ofmo Dover • • May 22 Papal States* .. .. 11,5 th 15th 25th °fin° Dover .• May 22 Peninsular.. .. .. 111'7th 17th 27th of mo Southarupt. May 24 I' .. .. •• .• M 17th of the month Southamnt. May 20 Tuscany* .. .. .. N sth 15th 25 th ofmo i Dover May 42 West Indies .. .. 31;17th of the month Sou •' May 20 West Indies (except _ I DANGEROUS AT.rat.,‘ POLLocK 1, -- ' "N THE REV. MR Lust uvening a r eulati t ir EVENING. 24ark's Church, ou the R„ . tt ' r at-,..tack was mode in St. a_nusdencement of the ser lowing circumstances :—On th ee - m ' °ll43 ekt unch-r the fol question_ e at the took seats. For an vice two men entered the church° hour the service proceeded quietly, b down the of that time the individuals is expiration restless and wandered annoyingly I eameapparently , :truck aisle. Mr. Boyd, the clerk, in order to p p re : fl e d ordered them eithvr to sit down qui e d y o r e "' l c lecorum, church. 'lnstlntly, one of the men ruched to theely° the , with and, opening the door, with a stick in his ba n d , P u lpit, Mr. Pollock twice on the back. Mr. Pollock . serving. the man asceodiog the pulpit stairs, a ". quiree who he was. The prisoner exclaimed violetice that he was 6 . God Almighty." Great _ e xcitement instantly pervaded the edifice. Gentle u'peerah roue to their feet and ladies screamed, and seldom, a tl 21 ;5 has a scene so remarkable been witnessed in sar.viodtficel devoted to sacred purposes. Mr. Pollock, In . ii tizirsae. ,6rl:,,ived instant assistance from the gentle -violent . st Fu t :m4 of the congregation, and, after a - from the p r il lei the 1324"23n was carried forcibly building, 2 44 and conveyed to the exterior of the perfect calesnessPlini''ek resuming his sernson with shortly arrived, aucill composure. A police-officer d u et e d i n custody to the assailant was pinioned and con by a large concour se „fe station in High-street, followed of St. Mark's and Great Gsteeciators from the congregations p_aces having tertnirife-street Chapel, the services it!, IF.th l relict , . On arriving at the st:e° shortly after the occur y tooaremeasures of strong re prc4ion were found Dr cessar piaceattirain the prisoner from i .1,1 0 L A ,,, e , and ha,;i6cuff3 ‘"te quentiround his wrists and ~ repel ror.nd bas fret. Subse wvisittd the pri sß Zuspeo Mr. Talbot, from the Dispensa4' Mr - Gibbon: and saner ; and a lth c;l gh et first insanity' i, u ,„.. y t * ii cye d that . tlic act of violeac h e ac r may be traced ted, it to brain Icver. Alter Lome" time :Wel' prisoner, who stavJd tht:tt bid nawe e !sPered the Roxburgh, reaidi2ig at I2S, Graftort-st rec i t e Ddmiel l'hlitl4, was conveyed to the Dtspermary.' ,1 i ti ' ?Ent to acquaint his wif , i with his Position mes. 1 on, whose mo:ements were at least of a 6 us- —* 7( 44( 4 ,, , 2' f er, ~ gave his name, but it was not thou g ,1i , t , W til him. We are happy to state tilt i- - /-4 .. -4V44 4 / > ' - ...was nut in any manner injured,— !. A "+*7/ 4 ..r ...,. lAterday. %.01. \ r• - 4,r4 h4 . 4,t1 of New York , and Mr. C. D. Arcbi -4 - ',. . * 'l4 , Eptv vb . with Lad ,Paluiels&•D., On &air ' drAhe ' offic e . • , ~...- 14,0 ,_l'iaoth of month Papal States* Naples* .. • • • • N, s th 15th 25th o f mo 15th 25 th °flu° Peninsular.. IVE'7th 17th 2 7th of mo I' M 17th of the month Tuscany* .. .. • . N, sth 15 th 25 ofmo West Indies 31i17th of the month West Indies (except Havanna & Nassau) M,2d of the month .. 4 . The malls to those c ountries thus marl French packet vl‘ Marseilles . CALIPOZNIA.—MaiIs to and from California are now despatched and due by every Ameril ! Southanspt. (June 5 cod ( 0 ) are conveyed by eia the Malted State Lean packet ROYAL COLLEGE OF SURGEONS. --The following gentlemen, having undergone the ne cessary examinations fo r- the diploma, were admitted members of the t, ollege at the meeting of the Court of Examiners on the 16th inst. : Messrs. William Tait Carr, Aberdeen; Frederic J ames Caldecott, , or ki ng , S urrey; John Wilde, Islington William Warwick, Belfast ; Henry Simpson, Chester Henry Power, London ; Ebenezer Moore, I s li ngton ; Edwin Wilson, Hyde, Cheshire; Richard Wellings, R avenstone Leicestershire; Albert William Hanford, N ott i ngham ; Francis Trevelyan Buckland, Deanery, Westminster; Ed ward George Wake, Hull; Henry Cornelius Thomas, Vaux hall-road; John Fountain, Cowley, Middlesex; and Alfred Carpenter, Rothwell, Northampton. Admitted on the 16th inst : Messrs. Thomas White, Chester ; Edward Long, Dublin ; Frederick William Wilders, Chesterton, Hunting brought donshire ; George Brennan, Cork ; Nevin Jackson, Stam ford, Lincolnshire ; Edward Ralfs, Tunbridge, Kent ; Thomas Britton, York; John Davis, Sunderland ; Jacobus !n:qoteueepotwraetriotno soeft Silverman, Middlesex place, Paddington ; and Lancelot Armstrong, Camberwell. SEQUESTERED BENEFICES.—A Bill has been into Parliament to amend the law relating to the that several ease as s o passin g of the Act of'eci L r a under the existing law, the bishop of the diocese has benefices c e s morefor t d h e a b o t .., 00 1 i f . aa year e fi fo c e r i t s h s e e ques pay ment of curates to discharge the ministerial duties. Front a are of considerable v I return which provide tha in all made to Parliament last year it appears 4004 a year in valuee uestration have taken place sines the Parliament, and some of these livings value with several churches. The Bill tion for the debts Oro in stsliwhere a benefice which exceeds may, if he thinks pper, d hereafter be put under sequestra :Zebent, the bishop payment of a curate o r cu raum t " e- of the aiccese half the income for the dam coluieete4 wish the pariih. to discharge the spiritual J.~ ~ THE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY EVENING, MAY 20, 1851. ‘f the summer I shall - Members to have time to see what those amendments really were? The many-tongued animal the press had lately been devoting great space to the proceedings of whet was called the Irish brigade, and remarked on the dearth of talent in the Irish ranks, asking where were the Currans, the Grattans, the Sheridans, the Plunkets? He might well retaliate, and pointing to the Treasury bench, ask se here were the Foxes— (Laughter) —th e Burkes, and the Pitts? He was one who liked precedents, and if they were reproached for wasting the time of the House, which they had not yet done, he would refer them to an edition of Lord Brougham's speeches, edited by himself, for the course which was taken by the party to which the Noble Lord now at the head of the Government belonged, in 1816, for the protection of the people of this country. Having read the opinion of Mr. Brougham, when he was a Member of the House, relative to the propriety of of fering every description of opposition to an obnoxious tax, that example being set by him, and having had his approval after the lapse of upwards of twenty years. He should be glad to know whether it was fair or reasonable of the Noble Lord, and those who acted with him, to taunt him (Mr. Reynolds) and those who voted as he voted, with wasting the time of the House, because he merely did what their bad policy had given him permission to do. He trusted the Noble Lord would not object to the Chairman reporting progress. He wished to offer no factious opposition to the Bill—A laugh)— but simply wanted to have time to consider the Bill in its altered state. If such a concession were made by the Government, a great deal of time and trouble would be saved. He therefore felt justified in moving, as an amendment, that the Chairman now report progress. Sir GEORGE GREY said he would leave it to the consideration of the Committee, whether the course pursued by the Hon. Gentleman was or was not in ac cordance vith the understanding which was arrived at by the House on Friday evening. —(Hear, hear.) He trusted that the Rouse would not be led into the discussion of the different topics to which the Hon. Gentleman had adverted. Whatever might be the ob ject of the Hon. Gentleman it could have no other effect than to prevent the House adopting the arrangement of Friday night, viz., that they should proceed with the consideration of the clauses of the Bill. The Earl of ARUNDEL and SURREY seconded the amendment. Mr. ROEBUCK said that there were such stringent regulations in that Bill that if they were to be per severed in they would call into question all the tenets of the Roman Catholic faith.—(gear, hear.) and cheers.) This was not the same Bill; it was a nee , Bill, and therefore it ought to go through all the pro cesses of a new Bill.—(Hear, hear.) It was not the Bill at all which the Noble Lord had first introduced. It was altogether a new Bill.—(Hear, hear.) He confessed that he was not able to understand it.—( Hear, hear.) The Noble Lord had, with all his constitutional earnestness, pressed the Bill upon the House, and yet what had been the effect ? Why, that the Bill had been entirely changed. Did he then ask for anything that was unrea sonable? Nothing of the kind. He only asked for time for deliberation. The Ministry, with a large ma jority at their back, might, it was true, press for a consumeetrion of their designs; but, to say the least of it, it was evidently unconstitutional, and he should therefore vote for the motion.--(Hear, hear.) Mr. GLADSTONE regretted equally the motion and the necessity for its being made, but it was evident that a great change had been made, not only in the Bill itself, but in the spirit of the Bill also, causing ik to become altogether a different thing to that which it formerly was. Within the whol, course of his Parliamentary experience, he hay never met with anything equal to this, and he did there fore feel that they had no right whatever to enter upon legislation on this subject until they had had advice from the first law officers of the Crown. Any gentleman might got up and introduce words which would altogether_ alter the tenor and the force of the Rill. How then could they proceed ? This Bill contained three operative clauses; of these three two were rendered void. What would they cb. if his Honourable and Learned Friend the Member for Midhurst had attacked the Pope's brief itself. He said that that brief was in itself invalid, and quite illegal. in this country. This proposition the Ministry had adopted, and it was therefore plain that nothing souk be done soundly at least without that legal advice of which they now stood so much in need. Was it not also known to the House that there was another rescript from the Papal authority for the division of the Roman Ca tholic diocese of Ross, which was now separated from the diocese of Cloyne. According to this measure Oak rescript a ould be also void. He, therefore, hoped tha the Noble Lord (Lord J. Russell) or the Secretary 4a , State for the Home Department (fir G. Grey) would in form the House as to the legal character and bearings of the present Bill; and he also wished to know whether the excluded clause would be brought back to the Bill, and whether, if so, it would have the retrospective fore , of anaulling the past rescript of the Pope. and also of de feating the late episcopal jurisdiction in Ireland, to which he had already adverted? Lord J. RUSSELL said the Committee had two ques tions to consider which ought to be kept separate. The first was the question of the Hon. Member for Dublin, who had moved that the Chairman should report pro gress and ask leave to sit again; and whatever the Noble Lord the Member for Arundel might say, he could not agree to that course, because he had no security, when they came on Friday next to consider the Bill, that the Noble Lord might not, without any factious motive, pro pose that the Chairman should leave the chair; and thus they would be in no better position than they were at the present moment. The Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Gladstone) took another course, and said that in going into a Bill of so much importance as this, especially when the first clause was not originally in the Bill, but bad been lately introduced, some member of the Govern ment ought to explain the general scope of the clauses and what would be their practical effect; and be (Lord J. Russell) would not deny, if the other questions were disposed of, that it would be fair, when they came to read the clause, that the Attorney-General should explain to the Committee the view which he took of that clause and what would be its legal effect. The Earl of ARUNDEL and SURREY understood that the agreement came to on last Friday night was. that there should be no division on the motion of the Speaker leaving the chair, but that there was no farther pledge given on their part; and be should add that, when the Noble Lord stated that there was no security for a legitimate discussion, there existed a right for every Hon. Gentleman to avail himself of all the forms of the House against so obnoxious a measure.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. ROEBUCK contended that the present was a new Bill altogether, and that it was nothing but just and fair that its principles soould be considered. Sir R. H. INGLIS admitted that the law officers of the Crown_ should explain the nature of the new clause, particularly as that clause was as improvement in the Bill. .AMENT. Mr. P. HOWARD said that if the Government ac ceded to the suggestion of Mr. Gladstone, then Mr. Reynolds ruight with great propriety withdraw his mo tion. It they obtained from the law officers of the Crown a full and distinct explanation of all the bearings of the upaisure, they could reserve their opposition till it had reached a future stage. Mr. lIORSMAN said that if the Hon. Member fol Dublin would withdraw his motion so as to enable the statement to be made by the Attorney-General, is ac cordance with the suggestion of the Right Hon. Gentle man opposite (Alr..Gladstone), to which the Noble Lord had acceued, the Hon. Member would not be in a worse positio❑ than he was at present. As some misunder standing seemed to exist as to what happened on Friday last, and as he was present o❑ the occasion he wished to observe that the statement of his Noble Friend behind him (Lord Arundel and Surrey) as to the arrangement entered into on that occasion was correct. The Hon. Gentlemen who were concerned in the arrangement stated, on that occasion, that they agreed to the Noble Lord's suggestion, on condition that on Monday they would not be bound by it, beyond the question that the Speaker do leave the chair, and to that condition the Noble Lord assented. Lord J. RUSSELL observed that what be had stated was, that when they came to the first clause the At torney-General would make a statement with respect to the bearing and legal effects of that clause. That did not touch the question of the preamble. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE thought that if the motion of the Hon. Member for Dublin was within the strict let ter, it was nut within the spirit of the arrangement. That arrangement was that no opposition should be made to the Speaker leaving the chair; but having agreed to the Speaker leaving the chair, what possible use was there in demanding that he should be put into it again immediately, for that was the object of the motion of the Hon, Member for Dublin? He thought the Hon. Gentleman ought to allow the first reading of the Bill, and on the question that it be read a second time the Attorney-General should make his statement. Ile thought the Noble Lord bad hardly kept faith with the House. For having before Easter called on all Hon Gentlemen who had amendments to propose in the Bill to place them on the paper, and that after the Easter re cess he would state which of them he would accept and which reject, the Noble Lord, on the House assembling after the recess, stated that he would not accept the amendment of the Hon. Member for Midhurat. Yet the Noble Lord had sent the Attorney-General to the Hon. Member for Midhurst in order to " cook up" a new Bill with him; but it appeared they could not agree upon it. However, as the House did not know at the present mo ment where in the Bill the Hon. Member for Midhurst meant to place his amendments, that of itself consti tuted a ground for asking a few days' delay. Ho sug gested that the Hon. Member withdraw his motion, and that they should at once have the statement of the Attor• ney- General. _ _ Mr. B. ROCHE took the same view of the arrange ment of Friday night as the Noble Lord (Arundel and Surrey). .Mr. KEOGH said that the arrangement had been made between him and the Noble Lord, and if ho con ceived he were violating the spirit of that arrangement in supporting the motion of the Hon. Member for Dublin, ho would not vote for it. But he was convinced that that motion violated neither the spirit nor the letter of that understanding ; neither bad the Noble Lord ac clued them of such a thing, but the Right Honourable Gentleman (Sir George Grey) hinted it. What happened 4as this. lie asked the Noble Lord to consent to the re-printing of the Bill; the Noble Lord at first refused, and the House now saw that he (Mr. Keogh) had just and reasonable grounds for that request. The Nobls Lord afterwards consented, on condition that on Monday he should be placed in the same position with respect to the 13111 as be was then; he (Mr. Keogh) agreed, pro vided that he and his friends should also be put in the same position—namely, that on the Sihaker leaving the chair they should make every species of opposition to the Bill that they deemed expedient. That was the arrangement agreed to, and he insisted it had not been Niolated in El irit er letter t . y th em . A s re• ------- garded th e proposition just made by the Noble Lord he which had already been decided? He wanted to e /, understiiod the MA:it Lord adtuitied the justice of the whether the some em-ct would he produied Right Hon. G ent l eman ' s (Mr. Gladstone'e) appeal, for , as it stood then, us was intended by the Bill as it or he had said th at i f they took one step, it was but right itett. lu n y stoo d . His supposition, of course, was lima that he him se lf or the Attorney General should make a I but he cert a i n ly supposed that the first clause W ° statement. Now the Chairman of Committees had just have that effect, informed him that it was necessary to move that the Bill The SOLICITOR -GENERAL explained that If be read a fir s t an d second time, because of th e a l terat i ons objection which led to the withdrawal of the :e v, made in it; but t h at if it were the sam e Bil l i t would not clause was, that it had a retrospective effect of a o _o t tt be necessary. Tho Noble Lord had adopted a great por- gerous character. The Roman Catholic prelates 1; 1 0t don of the Hon. Member for Midaurst's amendment; land said, that under what they conceived to be tbe if let the Attorney-General then make his statement, and struction of the Act of 1829, they had retained the y c , afterwards let them adjourn the question to Friday next, clesiastical titles, which ware forbidden by that I t in order that they might have an opportunity of fully They considered that they were quite right in 59 I t tr , considering the provisions of the Bill as amended. The itig the Act, and therefore requested that they might Noble Lord had undertaken to have the Bill reprinted, left in the same position as it placed them in. N u v but it had not been delivered to Hon. Members until late (the Solicitor-General) entertained great doubt a s . ti that morning. O n th at ground alone they were entitled whether they had acted rightly under That Acrl. D b u i to have it adjourned, whether that were so or not, if these Mr. WALPOLE said that he had given notice of his I under the old Act, they would c intinue to be so o t ili j amendments on the second reading of the Bill; and ' and if they were wrong under the old Act, the/r el iv ed it they had been put on the paper before the Easter re- be equally wrong now. All that had been cone . O. prelates were rig tress, so that it could not be with justice said that the striknig out the second clause. If the Pope coul d era House was taken by surprise with respect to those coed, let them proceed. There was no clause there he amendments. After the Easter recess the Noble Lord prohibit him, and as it was matter of doubt whether.' 4 stared that he did not object in principle to the first could legally proceed, he was entitled to the boleti , " clause, which he (Mr. Walpole) proposed, for that it the doubt. was in tubttance already contuined in the Bill. He - Mr. GLADSTONE said the Hon. and Learned G ou g i s c ; (Mr. Walpole) met the Attorney-General by accident in tletnan had not answered his question as to wha t / I r i s h, the street, and spok e t o hi m on t h e subject of his be the effect of the clause, not with reference to amendments, wondering that the phut therein suggested but English sees. had not been adopted by the Government. On the fol- The SOLICITOR -GENERAL AL replied that E i ng i s i b sil e lowing day he had a conversation with the Attorney- Roman Catholic bishops would stand in Pr ecise Y t tood• General on the subject of his amendment s , a portion of tame way as the Irish Roman Catholic bisbcPsirs a lio which the Government objected to, and another or- If Irish bishops were right English bishops ri eu Lion they did not object to. But, until he came down be right, hut, he had hie doubts. et gs ill on Friday last, the Government were under no arrange - Mr. M'CULLAGH said the Pope's proceeern se d !neat with him either to reject or accept them. How relation to the bishopric of Ross was not the first ease n ew there could be any such compromise, he could not the kind, for in the diocese of Galway there ria9 , - oc es• understand, for he approved of the principle of the Bill, bishopric, created under precisely similar circuMst t e wa s and he could see nothing objectionable in an Hun. Why, then, was that case not taken up if the' s c " • e d Gen Member who supported a Bill communicating with the illegal? He did not think the Hon. and Lear n s - es. Attorney-General, who had the conduct of the Bill, in tletnan had answered the Right Hon. Gentlenisn .A ' s gird order to see how fiir any amendments he meant to pro- :ion, whether the subtraction of the second 51 '" oa of pose in the Bill were objectionable or not, clauses was a real change, and whether the retold Mr. T. DUNCOMBE—It was the Noble Lord himself the first clause really did not tend to invalidate evert ts who had stated he had sent the Attorney-General to the act done by Roman Catholic bishops since their sPc °ll ; a re Hon. Member for Midhurst. talent and the passing of the Act of 1829. Tiler" mo st Lord J. RUSSELL—The Hon. and Learned Gentle. very grave do ri te on this point raised by tbe hrlecl man had said very truly that he had met the Attorney- learned authorities in the law, and it therefore do u bt, General by accident, and the latter had most properly the legal advisers of the Crown to grapple with the ri c , ll , a t told him (Lord J. Russell) that he had some conversation and to decide the question at once --to decide " tt with the Hon. and Learned Member for Midhurst with fact, in that House.—(Hear, hear.) The House °ug h, respect to his amendments, but he did not wish to tom- to know whether it was the Bill of February, of i ti e s er muuicate further with him without his (Lord J. Russell's) of April, or the fourth Bill, a combination of ths e - d re authority. He (Lord J. Russell) did not give him any Bills—the Bill of May—they were discussing. He eisit e edi , explicit directions on the matter, but gave him his autho- deal with the doubt he had referred to on broad growl ° , city to communicate with the Hon. and Learned Gentle- and he hoped the House would require its clear se ius were man respecting it. If violations of the Act of 1829 had occurred, why ant Mr. HUMS said the question was, whether the ex la- they suffered to sleep up to this moment? tf the Pl l t li b ts nation asked for should be given on the motion that the Bill was not a persecuting Act, why were the d° , - ; to preamble be postponed, or on the first clause. It ap- about the first clause not cleared up? With respe c t peered to him a matter of very little importance on which the Bequests Act, he contended, though it did not t e r . a n er o it was given. the Act of 1829, yet having been recognised by ‘-'s l iaea After a few words from Mr. S. CRAWFORD, tnent and by Sir Edward Sugden, such a 'see.recogn Mr. MOORE reminded the House that the Lion. Mem- amounted to a. virtual abnegation of the Act of e her for Athlone had a notice on the paper of a motion Whatever the words of the Bequests Act, 113 0% bed with respect to the postponement of the preamble, and it really and actually intended to give validity to what was quite impossible therefore to accede to the postpone- been done by the Roman Catholic bishops, even 4 'lo ment of the preamble now. y s it was in pr esume d contravention of the Act of 1829' lion respecting Frid a y n i g h t ' s arrangement, atte Mr. REYNOLDS wou ld not enter into an exit hpiana- wanted to k now w h at were to become of boclup/ie ad granted to bishops in trust, and to their successors? its oeen already explained by the Hon. and Learned Mein- believed that question had not yet been dealt with ate her for Athlone. He was prepared to withdraw his entirety. The way in which the clause would Oft motion only on the specific understanding that the At- would not so much punish the usurper of titles, as P r od ;orney-General should be permitted to explain the Bill (eased to do —as it would operate against the w ishes S as amended, and after that explanation was made, that intentions of the pious and humble Roman Citholic.ot no iurther progress should be attempted by the Govern- The ATTORNEY -GENERAL said this was e v e s went with the Bill until Friday, the place to discess legal questions—(oh) —but he 't h e Lord J. RUSSELL could nut agree to the proposition quite ready to state his opinion in explanation of ; be of the Hon. Gentleman. question in issue. However learned and s p e cific r, The amendment was then negatived without a division , opinions on the question obtained by the Hon. Metab e d The amended Bill was then read a first and second he must take leave to doubt that such mischief as h % time. been stated would fl iw from the measure. The effec s On the question that the preamble be postponed, of the clause, as be had already stated, was to P ut t lir. REYNOLDS moved t hat the Chairman report certain class of trustees under the operation of the r e progress. 10th Geo. IV. Now, he would ask whether any - s e, The Committee then divided, when there appeared— mischief had hitherto resulted from that Act? Pril e ;f For the amendment ... .. ... 46 sally it had not, and he should say that the wording be Against it ... ... ... ... 262 that Act might fairly be taken as a counterpart of t a . Majority result and operation of the working of the present - Ins , The preamble was postponed accordingly, sure. If money were to be left for the purpose of ' A li _ On the first clause being put from the chair, dewing a bishopric, and prohibited titles were used , The AT fORNEY-GENERAL, understanding it was then he wen ed that the operation of the 113 ,1 the general wish of the House he should make a state- sure would area such a bequest—but if the ',,r went of the legal effect of the provisions of the Bill, quest was left in different terms, then din s. felt it to be his duty to do so on the present occasion. lent consequences would follow. If, is coal, In the first place, he totally and entirely disagreed with v.-ration of the law, a bequest was made in terms sebian, those Hon. Members who said that the Bill was a new an Act of Parliament declared should make such bequestt Bill. The only clause to which he proposed to attach illegal and void—then the party so leaving the be titl e : 0 any observations, in the first instance, was the first must take the consequences of his own act. I f t-h clause, as that was the clause alleged to contain certain bequest were left for charitable Purposes, even though matter which made the Bill a wew measure. He wat, left in an illegal form, a court of equity would only lout s however, prepared to show that this clause effected no to the intentions of the testator. If titles were u n t ie ist alteration whatever in reality in the character of the relation to persons who were to carry out the intil Bill; but that, on the contrary, it left that measure sub- of the testator, which were illegal, the Court would still 1 etantially the same as befere. As the Bill stood before, give eff,ct to the intentions of the testator. The Cour t she preamble recited " that whereas certain of her Ma- would riot let an incorrect designation interfere with jesty's subjects, by virtue of a pretended authority of the the leaving of money for charitable purposes. So, there' See of Rome, had asenmed titles out of provinces, diu- tore, the present measure would not be attended with ceses, and towns in her Majesty's kingdoms." It then the mischief which had been predicted, and the opinions went on to refer to the Act 10 (leo. IV., c. 7, in which of the legal persons to the contrary would not be found was to be found an enactmeut providing against the ea- to he correct. The Act of 10 Geo. IV, had been in ope* sumption of any such style or title as regarded pro- ration 22 years; that Act ma d e t h e assumption of title s vicces and di oceses already occupied by the Church of by Remota Cathelio bishops illegal, yet bequests had froth England, making it an offence, and affixing thereto a that time been wade to Roman Catholic bishops for chg. penalty. After this, it proceeded to recite that the at- ritatsle purposes; and he would ask, had there been found 'tempt to establish such style and titles having been made, any practical difficulty or inconvenience in adminis-• t declared it expedient to prohibit such assumption, tering those charities? If there had been, let th e fact and then went on to recite the penalty fixed in the 'e brought before the Reuse, and it would be dealt second clause as applicable to the case.. Th, w:th at once. But no difficulty or inconvenience as second clause made the assumption of titles not indult d yet had been felt, and it was therefore not reason in the 10th Geo. IV., c. 7, illegal; iu other words, it able to expect that it would be found with regard placed provinces, cities, and towns not appropriated b.} to the Be quests Act—that it, provided no violation of the Established Cnurch on the same tooting as those in the law gave invalidity to the intentions of the testator. that Act, subjecting those who took such titles to the He would remind Hon. Gentlemen how cautiously the same penalty as was provided by that statute. The other Act had been framed—the words were , would apply to But the class of cases under discussion, because it was e-sens •' exercising or clause—that originally suggeste d b y the Hon. and efficieting withi n t h e district. " This Learned Member for Midh urst — was the clause which ii , was suggested created a new Bill o f the measure, tial that the religious intentions of t er M a j esty ' s Roman i that clause was purely d ec l aratory. It embodied outs Catholic subjects should h e proper l y carried out. Th e the recitals in th e pr eam bl e , wh i ch went to say that cer- Bequests Act was carefully framed, so as to leave the tain persons had done a certain thing which ought to be Roman Catholic bishops untouched so long as no in" preveuted; and it merely asserted that this recital should fraction of the law was committed, by giving to theta be held legally valid. The first clause, which was suge itle s by law prohibited. This, however, was not the gusted by the Hon. and Learned Member, might strike place to enter upon an elaborate legal argument; he, the House as superfluous, but li great desire had been ex- however, thought it advisable to state his candid opinion pressed that it should be adopted to mark the sense of the on the question. country on the subject. nacre was an in vas i on —and it Mr. NAPIER said that when the proper time arrive d was desired that there should be a declaration of Perlis- he should be fully prepared to answer many of the argu ment on the subj ct to go forth to the world. It ap- merits which had been offered in Opposition to this Bill. peered to him (the Attorney-General) to add nothing to Mr. M. GIBSON said that as a great deal of, doubt the Bill, as far aspunishment for the offence was in que s seemed to be entertained as to the operation of this Bill, non, or us far as the penalty was concerned, while it it behoved them at p to duce provisions gave a more solemn f orm to the declaration. As into the Bill as would resent obviate any intro future such teisinterpreta it was no hardship, and gave some satheaction to a tion. At prevent a Scotch bishop was exempt from the great number of persona, to vindicate the national consequences which attached to the same offence in Sovereignty, there could not, in his opinion, be any England and in Ireland, though for what principle he possible harm in adopting it. The Bill, however, wus could not tell. On the e6th of October, 1851, the no new Bill. Tho clau se was on l y what it purported to clauses submitted to the Roman Catholic School Cern' be—a recital of the preamble, and giving it more expli- mittee by her Majesty's Committee of Privy Council on ' tidy. With regard to the second clause, it had been Educa'ion recegrused in tse tne th e Roman Catholic already so much diseu-sed, th a t h e cou l d not understand t ishop of ecclesiastical districts which was a subject bow any person could fail to see i ts b earings. It that deaaanded expl anat i on. The priest so ordained is Amounted to this—th a t th e A ct 10 G eo. IV., which no. , c) manage th e re l ig i ous i nstructions of those schools, A applied in terms only to titles already appropriated by and no priest is to interfere who is not authorised .by the Established Church, was proposed to be applied to the Roman Catholic bishop of the district. Then, he titles not so appropriated. An attempt was made to said. that if the Privy Council actually agreed to that parcel out England into provinces and dioceses by art in November lest, atter the Papal brief had been pub authority which had no foundation in the constitution, lished, does it not seem monstrous that now they should and to assume tides and dignities as arising out of these be legislating to fine a man a hundred pounds if he divisions, at the instance of a foreign power. The clause called himself a Roman Catholic bishop of a district?— proposed these titles abould be void; and that the places (Hear, hear.) An Act more complex and difficult from whence they p urported to be derived should be put than this to understandh to the same category as t h ose places referred to in the Sir FREDERICK TR hak never heard. E SIG ER begged t o recal the 10th Geo. IV. It d i d no more and no less. And when House to the question before it, which was, whether the it was urged that this clause would interfere with the pre a mble should be . postponed for further consideration? 1 operation of the Charitable Bequests Act, the simple H e h had never . considered this as a new Bill. The object to enable h a ve fuller d . motion was the m to a is- answer to that allegation was, that the 10th George IV. of t . etalagisgeßsitll,thoratrathtr this portion of the Bill. did not interfere with it, and this clause applied only to cuss w w i a s n u ai they should be allowed to titles not included in that Act. He (the Attorney- He was of pro- General) should be trifitng with the time and p a tie nce of teed to toutoheeduisEcussasigido.ntlhoaft th th e e pr A ea tt m ar b n le e . y. the House if he added another word to the legal explana- T. . tion which he ass called on to give, as', after the long opimon Bill, but b t u lu t s 41._ jumped endo tghreeatLeerasrncoepde stohlaineittehne. discussion which the Bill had undergone, nothing new former and said that this Blew clause . was more powerful than anything in the old Bill, and it would extend to could be said by him on the subject. Mr. P. HOWARD contended that the. Bill was essen _ Clot iocese had been for ages united to the tially a new Bill, If it were not so, it would not have Ireland. Now, what would be its effect on the diocese y t ne d: been read a first and a second time by the Chairman. He ought to know something about diocese of T Besides, the date on the amended Bill was altered. Now,. was in his district. The practical by the Go- result of uniting Ross and the Bill being a new Bill, he considered that the House that diocese, as it Cloyne was, that the spiritual had not been treated with sufficient candour posed to rennyerPrtre almost What did the vernment. who submitted it in a printed form that morn- cure of the two dioceses Was carried out more efficiently. oils anion i e t n o do of b t y hes t e hi t s w ß o ill ing, and forced on a discussion of its provisions immediately afterwards. the law How could the Bill? dioceses They illegal. l e p g r aT. Mr. K. SEYMER called the attention of B Hon. and Learned Gentleman the Bill de- Attern . officers of the Crown to the fact, that while the . Emancipation e-eral, get up in his place and say that the dared illegal the bull or letters Apo i I stol-a re-sting to Act had been the law of the land in Ire what similar l an d f or England, it omitted all reference to a Some two and twenty years. Practically, it had never bull or Papal rescript under which the diocese of Ross b een carried Into effect in I r el an d. Th e more they land. If leg mo d& d with this Bill th e ' deeper they wou ld ge t i nto had recentl been constituted injjreisla. 'necessary for he ' re tion in express terms were considered e mi., upholding the independence of nationalthe.twasequally i sovereignty Mr. PIIILLI? HOWARD said . the suggestion of the in England, he certainly thought i Ireland, where 111- Hon. Member for Manchester (Mr. Milner Gibson) was portant it should be adopted for the Queen persons of bywar a very valuable one, that they should now - explain how, d Roman Ca had actually been levied against when the Privy Council lately recogniSe suffering thepenalty sdine station; Wha - Were - now man who called himself Roman Catholic bishop of a crimes. NERAL said the answ The SOLICITOR-GE er to the diocese a hundred pounds. .. was question of the Hon. Gentleman .simple, Under Lord BERNARD said, the mere ques_tion at issue the Statute of Ptaemunire, acts .performed in accordance was, what was the attack of the Bishop of Rome on this with the directions of Papal rescripts or foreign bulls country? It was a direct a tt a ck on the of were declared to be illegal. In the time of James 11. our Queen. Had not h e t erme d the glorious matrefoion Lalor was punished for such an offence; and since that the Anglican schism? In the early Church the appoint period—although two centuries and a half bad elapsed ment of bishops rem a i ne d with the people at large. Af -up to the recent aggression, no subject of the British terwards it fell into the hands of the clergy, a n d now, Crown had dared to act upon the dictum of a foreign in this country, it had practically fallen into the hands bull. The Pope's recent rescript, being the first for two of the Crown. What he wished to dwell upon was this centuries and a half, whi c h hal practical effect in this —that the family of Stuart being extinct, whose title to country, it was thought proper to declare it, and all acts nominate these bishops was not denied, the present ap performed by reason of its directions, illegal and void. pointment by th e pope,. without on the Sove- But it did not follow that because they had done so in reign, was a virtual denial of the rights of our present this particular instance, it was necessary to declare all Gracious Sovereign. theTherh was one word more which the minor instruments which followed from the same ho had to say upon t.t suleect. It was said the feelings quarter illegal and void, when they were so by existingthe of people were indifferent on was subject. such . was statute. Ile considered the most dignified course was to not the case in Ireland; but they thought it was a wiser England policy to leave the subject to be decided by the Imperial take up the monstrous instrument dividing into diocenes, and having specifically declared its ille- Parliament, but they felt the greatest indignation against gality, to leave all similar instruments to be dealt with the atrocious attempt of the Court of Rome, and he as illegal, would give his support. to any efficient measure to re ain the insidious attempts' 'the Mr. G.LADSTONE said he could not perceive that strain mac against t Pro this was a declaratory clause. Declaratory clauses in testae, .religion, that Mr. 1. DUNCOMBE asked the Noble Lord at tbe legislative enactments usually succeeded a rec ital head of the Government to inform . . the state of the law was doubtful; but here nothing of their Bill, with- were upon the actual question before them; - What did the sort was done. They declared by act of the the Noble Lord mean out reference to any other matter, that the .i by saying in his Bill that e the to said rescript 'wa - Pope was illegal, and he confessed that this appeared to him script? lie did s 1 egal and void!" Where wasehe re not see. it; it was not on the tabs' . nf the him to bea very unusual proceeding. It seemed whether Hous e ..-- .li lose to understand ow could they diseuss it unless le nits laid that parties would be at a lo but if it weren de- beforethene? . -- - . - this was a declaratory clause or not; t _ 4 Lot,} irt . fordeclaring a, ,• . USSELL thought it was Ittlet7ttaktetter claratory clause, what need was therel2 sese sees esa a ss , • - 1 - sseei IMPERIAL PARLI Lord J. RUSSELL said Sir Harry Smith was Chief Commissioner. —(A laugh.) VISITS OF GOVERNMg NT OFFICERS TO THE EXHIBITION. Mr. HUME said he understood it was the intention of the Government to give leive of ab,ence to dockyard servants for six or ten days to enable them to come to London to see the Exhibition, and he wished to 'wow whether the Government were to pay their ex. penses; and also, whether they would have any objec tion to extend tee same privilege to other public servants? Sir F. BARING replied that the Admiralty had given leave to the officers truployed in the dockyards, who were anxious to attend the Exhibition, to be absent two days in London, but they did not propose to pay their expenses either in coming up or in returning.—(Hear.) ECCLESIASTICAL TITLES BILL. Mr. Ni 001tE presented several petitions from Ireland against the Ecclesiastical Title's Bill. Mr. SPOONER presented two petitions against Papal aggressi, 11. Mr. ROCHE presented several petitions from Tip. perary against the Bill. Sir JOHN YOUNG presented several petitions from the county of Durham to the same effect. Mr. W. Miles from Gloucestershire, and Mr. Hope and Sir John Trollope from Hants, presented petitions to the same effect. Dr. POWER presented several petitions from different places in Ireland against the Bill. Mr. KEATING and Mr. LAWLESS presented several petitions, the latter, chiefly from Clonmel, against the Bill. Mr. SADLEIR also presented petitions against the Bill. Colonel CHATTERTON presented a petition from Cork in favour of the Bill. Several other petitions were presented in favour of and against the Bill. The Howe then resolved itself into Committee, and on the motion being made to proceed, Mr. REYNOLDS rose and said, that he moved that the Chairman do report progress, and ask leave to sit again.—(Loud laughter from all sides of the House.) Gentlemen might laugh at such a motion, but they should recollect that when the House last sat upon this question an understanding was come to that the First Lord of the Treasury should decide before they sat again as to the course which he intended to pursue with regard to this Bill. It was quite evident that no such understanding bad been come to, and that no course bad been adopted which was at all likely to lead to the settlement of the question.—(Hear, hear.) Members might cheer, but those who were most ready to give that ironical notice of their feelings, might be of a different opinion when they came to hear the reason which ho bad to adduce for thus moving that the Chairman should now report progress. Ho had care fully studied this Bill, and had been somewhat asto nished at the form which its several clauses had assumed. The understanding not having been carried out, he felt himself perfectly justified in the mouse which he now pur sued, of moving that the Chairman report progress. It should be recollected that this was not the first Bill or oven the second Bill, fur it was entirely a different Bill from that which had been originally introduced. £he Right. Hon. Baronet at the head of the Home De. partmeut had voluntarily abandoned the second and third clause* of the Bill, but he had retained the first. During the course of the debate the Honourable Mew. ber for Midhurst, Mr. Walpole, had placed a notice on the books which materially affected the whole subject. By that arrangement the whole of the evil was still con tinued, and the first clause contained all the mischief. That clause he called ties Walpole clause. There was also :mother clause of the most insulting nature to him and his co - religionists, namely, that clause which the Secretary of State had manu'actured out of the proviso which bad been originally introduced to exempt the Scotch Episcopalian bishops from the operation of the Bill. That was what he called making flab of one and flesh of the other," and he would like to know whether the Noble Lord would introduce just such another clause for the benefit of the Roman Carbolic bishops of the United King dom. Another reason for his frisking this mo tion was, that there were several amendments which did not apply to the Bill in its present shap6 and would it not, tserefore, be reasonable to permit th e Chairman t) ref:on F rogre.se, in crder to enable Hon, HOUSE OF COMMONS, May 19. The SPEAKER took the Chair shortly before Four o'clock. THIR A The following Bills we r e read a DINGS. third time and passed:— Midland Railway (Extension of Time, &c.). York, Newcastle, and Berwick Railway (Branch to the West Durham Railway, &c.). Taw Vale Railway and Dock. CONSIDERATION OF BILLS. On the motion for considering the Chorley Water works Bill, Mr. CARDWELL, on behalf of the corporation of Liverpool, complained that the promoters of this Bill had departed from their original Act of Parliament in the appropriation of their capital. The corporation of Liverpool petitioned against the present Bill, the object of which was to raise additional capital; but the Com mittee, acting under the impression that the corporation could apply to one of the courts of law to redress the grievance which they complained of, refused to hear them. Now it so happened that the promoters of the Bill had so framed their original Act as to preclude that appeal to a court of law, and therefore, unless the Houle at this stage inserted a proviso to the contrary, this Bill would trench upon certain works of the Liverpool corporation and seriously injure the rate payers of that town. He moved the insertion of a pro viso to that effect. Mr. CHRISTOPHER, opposed the proviso, and, as Chairman of the Committee which sat upon this Bill, defended the course that had been taken by that body. This Bill simply authorised the Chorley Water Works Company to raise an additional capital of 12,000/. to carry out certain works which had already been sanc tioned by Parliament, and the Committee were at a loss to know how it could injure Liverpool. Mr. HEYWOOD supported the Bill, and fully con curred in the decision of the Committee. After some further discussion, in which Mr. W. Brown, Mr. Thornely, Mr. Brotherton, and Mr. Greene took part, the proviso was withdrawn. The Bill was then considered and agreed to, as were also the following Bills: Liverpool Docks (Alteration of 'Management, &c.) Midland Railway (Purchase of Leeds and Bradford Railway. and Increase of Capital). Midland Railway (Regulation and Increase of Capital, &o.) Weston-super-Mare Improvement and Market. HARWICH ELECTION. Mr. K. SEYMER brought up the report of the Harwich Election Committee unseating Mr. Prinsep, and declaring the last election to be void. NEW WRIT. On the motion of Sir W. HAYTER, a new writ was ordered for Clackmannsn and Killross, in the room of Sir W. Morrison, deceased. PETITIONS. Mr. ANDERSON presented a petition from the Shetland Islands complaining of the burdens upon land. Mr. JOHN O'CONNELL presented several petitions from Limerick and Dublin, and other places in Ireland, against the Ecclesiastical Titles Bill; Mr. COWAN presented a petition from Edinburgh in favour of this Bill. Mr. FRESEIFIELD presented several petitions from parishes in Lincolnshire to the same effect. Mr. COWAN presented petitions from Edinburgh against the Distilled Spirits Bill, stating that they had never been consulted with respectao the Bill now before the House, and that the Bill as it' now stood would be injurious to their interests. Mr. CORBALLY presented several petitions against the Eeel.sies , ical Titles Bill. • Mr. REYNOLDS presented petitions to the same effect from the undermentioned places:—Bray, in Wick low; Thurles, Tipperary; Killskeery, Tyrone; Lisburn and . Hillsborough, Down and Antrim ; Dunabate and Portrave, Dublin; Kilcar, Donegal comity; Clones, Monaghan ; Tessuagh,, Tipperary Tullinghohegby, Donegal; Aughabery, Monaghan; Killnippe and Dun sany, Meath; Ballynderry, Tyrone and Antrim ; Belli naskill, G a l way; S t . Ni cholas Wi t h out, Dublin; Dublin Cemeteries Committere(which on the motion of the lion. Gentleman' was read from the table); Dunnuly, Leitrim; Bridgetow n Garr' ) teirry, and Killaboe, Clare. Mr. : JOEIN O'BRIEN presented" a petition from the Chamber of Commerce of the city of Limerick, praying that the' Towns'iraprovement Bill be snspended till the wards of that city be reconstructed on the principle of the Dublin Improvement Act ; also a petition from a public meeting of the ratepayers and citizens of Limerick, praying that the Towns Improvement Bill, with certain modifications, may pass into law. Mr. R. M. FOX presented a petition from the county of Longford against the Ecclesiastical Titles Bill, which he moved should be read at the table of the House. The petition was then read by the Clerk at the table. SEWERS ACT. Lord DUNCAN wished to ask the Right Hon. the Secretary of State for the Home Department when, he proposed to bring in his now Bill respecting the Com missioners of Sewers ? Sir G. GREY could not name the day now, but ardple notice would be given of it beforehand. DINGLE WORKHOUSE. Mr. REYNOLDS' asked the Chief Secretary for Ire land a question respecting the investigation held in the Dingle workhouse, county of Kerry ; and whether the Protestant chaplain,' and other paid officials, alleged to have bribed Catholic paupers to become Protestants, are still continued in their respective appointments ? Sir W. SOMERVILLE said an inquiry had been in stituted into the matter by the Poor-law Commissioners, and it had transpired that they had been in the habit of di ributing email sums amongst the Protestant inmates of the Dingle workhouse, but it was more for the pur poses of charity than anything else. Mr. REYNOLDS wished to know if the Hon. Baronet had any objection to lay the paper relating to that befere the House? Sir W. SOMERVILLE had none whatever. THE CAPE OF GOOD HOPE. Mr. HUME asked the Under-Secretary for the Colo nies whether he would have any objection to lay on the table the last dispatch received from the Cape respecting the expense of the Kafir war? Mr. HAWES said it the Hon. Member would put his question to-morrow he Would be in a positionjo give an answer. In reply to Mr. ADDERLEY, Lord J. RUSSELL said it was the intention of the Government to appoint assistant Commissioners to pro. c. d to the Cape to inquire into the affairs of Kafraria. Mr. ROEBUCK wished to know what powers the Commissioners would have to make peace with the Kafir tribes?