The Sun. — London, England, 1850-05-14 00:00:00

MESMERIC INFIRMARY. (From the Morning Post.) The first annual meeting of this society was held on the 6th of May, at the Infirmary, Bedford-street, Bedford-square. Mr. J. A. Gordon, of Bristol, in the absence of the Earl of Ducie, was called to the chair. Tue CHAIRMAN said that it was a subject of' deep regret to him and the committee that the Earl of Ducie was unable to attend that meeting. That nobleman was one of the best friends and supporters of the spread of mesmeric science, and he was sure would share with them the regret felt at his being unable to attend on that occasion. —(Hear, hear.) He was sorry that the place of the Noble Earl should be so ill supplied, as he was aware he was unable to fill it so well as the Noble Lord ; but he trusted to their kind assistance in the performance of its duties. The Rev. G. S&NDBY then read the report of the committee of management, which says :—" A few friends of mesmerism, cons id er i ng th e es t a bli s h men t of an infirmary for the treatment of disease by its means, a very desirable object, met at the Earl of Dame's, in the year 1846, and passed some prelimi nary resolutions to that effect. Among the steps taken at that meeting was the appointment of a com mittee, to whom was intrusted the power of carrying the plan into operation. Sundry circumstances, how ever, delayed th e i mme di a te execution. But in the course of last year it was felt that the time was at length arrived when any further delay would be un desirable. The progress that mesmerism had made in public opinion, the increasing num ber of its advocates, and the growing demands on the part of the sick and sufihring for assistance and advice, all led to the conviction that the infirmary could be at once opened with every prospect of success.—(Hear, hear.) Funds for this purpose were not wanting, for the liberal donations and subscriptions of many friends and patrons had afforded the means of taking the necessary initiatory steps. The committee met on the 24th of July last, and having taken into consideration some calculations that were laid before them, came to the resolution of looking out for and engaging a house suitable to the purpose, and of placing it under the superintendence of a resident manager or secretary. .In the course of the month of January the infirmary came into operation, patients have been attending daily, and are increasing in numbers, and an additional mesmeriser, William Fisher, recommended by Mr. Tubbs, was appointed at a salary of 16s. per week. The committee had agreed upon several rules and regulations for the direction and management of the institution, copies of which had been sent round to the subscribers and donors, and which were submitted to the consideration of the general meeting for approval and confirmation. The committee beg to state that a sum amounting to 903/ 175., in donations and subscriptions, has been 'paid to the treasurer's hands, and that promises of still further assistance, amounting to about 2001. have been a)so made, to which must be added the sum of 23/. Os. 31. for interest on Exchequer-bills. The committee have paid the first quartet's rent, and the first quarter's salary of the secretary, amounting to 1211. 11s. 6,1., leaving a balance iu the hands of the tressnrcr of 805/. ss. 81., of which 506/. 9.3.11 d. have been invested in the purchase of 5001. in Ex chEquer-bills. The committee have the pleasure to announce that they have received from P. Ramie, Esq the donation of a freehold estate at Edmonton, which has been let for a rent of 401. a year, and also five railway arches, at Stepney, which may be estimated, at the yearly value of at least 51. each.— (Cheers.) Tne committee, in presenting this their first report to the donors and subscribers to the in firmary, cannot but convatulate the friends of mes merism generally on an important step being at length publicly taken for the progress of scientific truth, and for the promotion of the great cause of humanity, to wards the support of which good and useful work the co-operation of every philanthropist is earnestly invited. The institution, whose recent opening is herein briefly recorded, already shows a promise of growth; and, if conducted with energy and judgment, and with a due regard to those important considerations which have respect to the choice of mesmerisers, and to the management of its internal arrangements, may prove a source of inappreciable blessings to numbers, and serve, morever, as an example of practical benevolence to other societies, of which it is impossible at present to calculate the full results. Doubtless there are always difficulties connected with the first establishment of every hospital, and there are soma to which a mesmeric hospital is peculiarly liable ; still, if conducted steadily as well as zealously, and in a spirit of prudence, union, and good-will, these difficulties are anything but insuper able, and if the regulations which are adopted by the governors for the daily conduct of the institution be uniformly enforced, the success of the infirmary may be pronounced certain and permanent. To this latter paint the committee attaches considerable import ance, and towards a due observance of which they strongly request the assistance of every true friend of mesmerism. By these means the cavils of the sceptic will be silenced ; the prejudice of the scrupulous will be removed ; the misrepresentations of the calum nious be answered; and the cause of truth grow stronger and stronger every hour. With these ob servations the committee beg to close their report in expressing every confidence in the future prospects of the institution, and in looking forward to a year of increasing activity and usefulness." Toe Rev. Gen tlemati then announced that since the report had been drawn un an addition of 131.85. had been received. Mr. JANSON had great pleasure in moving the adoption of the report, having come a distance of 200 miles to attend that meeting, and he believed that had all their friends done the same they would have had great difficulty in accommodating them. One principal reason of his attending the meeting was to submit to the subscribers of the institution a manu script, drawn up by Mr. Capern, of Tiverton, who he believed was the most successful mesmerist since the days of Greatrex. The manuscript contained re ports of upwards of 100 cases, and would be extended by about 150 more, when he hoped it would be pub lished, as containing most surprising and convincing proofs of the truth of the science. —(Cheers.) He would now merely move that the report be adopted and circulated amongst the subscribers to the inst. tution. Mr. LuxmouE seconded the resolution. He had for years looked with anxiety to the time when they would he enabled to have an establishment lik e t hi s in London, feeling convinced that that was all that was wanted to prove the truth of mesmeric science. —(1 - Isar, hear.) He believed that mesmerism would Fore of great assistance to medical science, though he did not mean to say that it would super sede it. He had himself seen the beneficial effects produced by it in alleviating the sufferings of those afflicted with rheumatism, tic doloureux, paralysis, &c., and he believed that no philanthropist who examined into mesmerism would deny that it was a great addition to the science of alleviating pain and curing disease. The professors of the science had been met with derision and calumny, but he felt that the day would arrive when its success and its truth would be universally acknowledged, and the calum nies of its opponents for ever silenced, He felt that they were under a deep debt of gratitude to the gentlemen who had taken an active part in promoting the establishment of this institution, and he had therefor e great pleasure in seconding the motion for the adoption of the report. The' motion having been put and carried unani mously, The SECRETARY read the propos e d l aws o f t h e in stitution, t o w hi ch the f "This infi rmary is established leving is the preface : for the alleviation and cure of diseases, and for the relief and prevention of pain, by means o f mesmerism the voluntary contributions of It is those Supported by f truth su pp mesmerism, having faith in the medical efficac persons w h o , ex- being desirous to be assu re d of persons traordinary cures alleged t o h ave beeneffec and ofte the or d by it s should have agency in the hands of many cr e dibl e respect able persons, are anxious that th e poor the opportunity of availing themselves of the advan tages it may afford. There is another object which the originators of this new establishment have in view. They desire to extend the field of observa tion in the science of mesmerism, and to‘encourage the promulgation as well as the cultivation of i ts truths without favour to any party or to any limit e d or individual interests." [The laws providing for the management of the institution are much the same as those governing similar institutions.] .11r. MON CR TON Mums, M.P., moved the con.. firmation of the proposed laws, and trusted that it would go forth to the public that the friends of mes • nieric science were now prepared to put the truth of through their principles to the test in the heart of the metro polis,believed that, through the agency of a public hospital. He tion, tnesmeth the agency of such an.institu branch of mediae l would take its fair position as a was all its real fraiesidcence, and lie was sure that that all knew that n wished.—(Hear, hear.) They ordinary mesmerismphysiologi e s alh exhibited some most extra subject could be of interest to philosophical inquiry than those grilintoeermena, and perhaps no possible interfere time, he thought it roost important hut, at the same tion should as little as that this institu ipterfere with those inquiries, and confine their attention much as pos sible to the applicatio n o f mestns • as as a curative agent in diseases which might tn. ightniotrume under th e i r notice.—(Hear, hear.) He tant that it should go forth to th e fi i b t ' very iin l Y ' r " the real objects and i n t en ti ons of the i nstitution, so he w h at were that it might avoid as f ar as poss ibl e any imputation of quackery, which, no d ou bt, wouldbe against it. If, ho wever , th e society quietly carried brou g h t - its operations und er th e eye o f the public, und er notice of the press, but excluding idle curi os it y m interfaing with it s patients, head no hdoubt ,t it would make its way and establi s h itself public opinion.—(Hear, hear.) He considered N\s!,,l)F. is It a ) .- ( 47 ~,,, o. ./...V rt. r i',• !IA! t /. ;:- n j ~ti , THE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY EVENING, MAY 14, 1850. that nothing could more clearly show the progress that their sience—in the truth of which he had long been convinced—was malting than the fact that the Edinburgh Review, in an article upoes Mr. Cornewall Lewis's work, on the influence of authority in the formation of public opinion, had aevoted three or four pages to the recognition of the la•uth of mesmeric science. —(Hear, hear.) It was most important to the spread of their science that medical men had re cently adopted various anesthetic agents for pro ducing insensibility to pain during the performance of operations ; and he did not think they need look upon them with any degree of jealousy as rivals to their progress.—(Hear, hear.) Indeed, mesmerism might be found peculiarly adapted to some constitutions, while other anesthetic agents might be adapted to other constitutions. He could not help feeling that they ought to take some shame to themselves for not having before put themselves into a position to have the agency of mesmerism acknowledged by the me dical profession by the establishment of an institu tion of this description, and allowing the advantages of the other anesthetic agents to be acknowledged, while they were doing nothing. It was a most re markable circumstance in the history of all physiolo gical discoveries, however important, that they were ignored for years until their importance forced them upon public attention, and so it was with mesmerism —it was undergoing the ordeal to which all great and valuable truths were subjected, and he considered that they had no reason to complain of it, as the import ance of their science must be ultimately acknow ledged and the truth prevail.—(Cheesy.) After again urging upon the company the necessity of the insti tution strictly confining themselves to the use of mes merism as a curative operation and eschewing expe riments, the Hon. Member concluded by moving the adoption of the rules. The Rev. G. SANDBY seconded the resolution, agreeing as he did with every word uttered, and the recommendation given by 11r. Monckton Milnes. He had had an opportunity of observing with his own eyes the soothing effects and curative influences of mesmerism, that he felt convinced that they had only to be brought prominently under the notice of the public, through the means of an hospital, to he ge nerally and fully acknowledged.—(Cheers.) It was a most remarkable fact, and one of which they ought to be ashamed, that the first Mesmeric Hospital had not been established in civilised Europe—had nut been established in the centre of this great metropolis —had not been fostered in scientific society, but bad been established in what Shakspere called " the furthest steppes of India." He thought all honour was due to 1)r. Eidaile, who had established that hos pital, and to the Governor-General end other Indian authorities who had fostered it, it having proved eminently successful in alleviating human pain. He perfectly agreed with Mr. Monckton Milnes, in his observations that the science had made and was making great strides, as was proved by its being acknowledged as a science by so important and cautious an authority as the Edinburgh Review. That journal said that after inquiry, no doubt " its errors, which probably are many, will be separated from, what we may be sure are also many, its truths." No doubt they might have errors, as other sciences had in their in • fancy, but Mr. Cornewall Lewis had called theirs a " mock" science. It might be a " mock" science in one respect, but that was that it " mocked " all the ignorant attempts of their opponents to put it down. —(Cheers and. laughter.) But the editor cf the Edinburgh Review said, in speaking of the pheno mena of mesmerism, " No one can doubt that phe nomena like these deserve to be observed, recorded, and encouraged ; and whether we call by the name of mesmerism or by any other name, the science which proposes to do this is a mere question of nomencla ture. Among those who profess this science there may be careless observers, prejuJiced recorders, and rash systematisers ; their errors arid defects may ha pede the progress of knowledge, but they will not stop it; and we have no doubt that before the end of the century the wonders which now perplex al most equally those who accept and those who re ject modern mesmerism, will be distributed into defined classes and found subject to ascertained laws; in other words, will become the subject of a science." Now, that was just what they had been saying for years, and it was to prove their science that their in firmary had been established.—(Hear, hear.) They wished to extend the advantages of mesmerism to the very poorest of their fellow-subjects, and to show to the world the truth of their principles. He would not further detain them, but second the resolution for the confirmation of the rules of the society. The resolution having been carried, Mr. Tubbs, of Cambridge, Mr. Capern, of Tiverton, Mr. Smith, o f Greenwich Mr. Macdonald, Mr. Heath, and other gentlemen addressed the meeting, and adduced in stances to show the advantages of mesmeric science, the whole of them stating that they were originally opposed to it until convinced by inquiry of its truth ; and also detailed the difficulties they had had in pro mulgating it among society generally. The committee for the ensuing year was appointed, and thanks given to the medical officers, the com mittee, and the chairman, after which the meeting separated. PROFESSOR FARADAY'S LEC TURES ON DOMESTIC CHEMISTRY. The third lecture of Professor Faraday's courae, at the Royal Institution, on Saturday, was honoured by the presence of Prince Albert, who occupied a chair placed in front of the lecture table. Professor Faraday commenced by addressing his Royal High ness, acquainting him that the subject of the course was combustion as presented in its ordinary forms, and that the particular branch of the subject to be considered that day was "a lamp." lie first explained the difference between a lamp and a candle, the peculiarity of the latter consisting in its being formed of solid fuel, which, before it i s b urne d, i s me lt e d by the heat evolved in a reservoir, beautifully formed by the combined action of radiated heat, and the cool ing influence of the surrounding air which keeps the edge of the reservoir bard, and enables it to hold the melted wax or tallow. The imperfect light which a common lamp usually gives in compari son with a candle was explained to be owing to the thicker wick of the lamp, which produces a larger flame than can be sufficiently supplied with air for the perfect combustion of the carbon; hence the smoke usually observed in the burning of an ordi• nary lamp, and the larger the wick the more dull is the flame. To overcome this defect in the combustion of the carbon, Argand introduced a current of air into the centre of the flame by employing a circular wick, and though this produced a brighter flame, it was not till a glass tube had been accidentally placed over the flame that the full effects of his improved arrangement were realised. The glass chimney improves the brightness of the light, by causing a current of air to impinge on the outside of the flame, and thus to assist in the combustion of the solid par ticles of carbon liberated by the burning of the hydrogen gas. Prof e ssor Farad a y i m p resse d o n his audience again and again that it is from the com bustion of the solid particles of carbon alone that the light of flame is due, and to promote that combustion is the great object to be attained in all lamp arrangements. The supply of air may be too great as well as to little for the combustion of the carbon, and several ex periments were shown to illustrate this fact, of which the flickering of a gas flame exposed to a blast of air is a common example. A very valuable application of this property of flame has been made in the arts, for by introducing a blast of air along with a jet of coal gas, its illuminating power is destroyed, and. a very great heat is obtained without smoke ; in this manner the processes of annealing and sol dering silver and other metals are conducted with su perior advantages, as was shown by several experi ments. The beautiful effect of increasing the brilliancy of flame by supplying it with oxygen gas, on the plan of Mr. Goldsworthy Gurney, was exhibited ; as was the still more brilliant effect of the Drummond light, pro duced by the incandescence of li me i n a c o mbined jet of oxygen and hydrogen gases. The application of lamps for lighthouses was dwelt upon by Professor Faraday, who exhibited several kinds of lights with reflectors and with concentric lenses, by means of which a light may be seen at sea at a distance of 40 miles. When the light, concentrated by these re flectors and lenses, was thrown upon the company, it was too bright to be looked at; and this dazzling effect of light on the retina renders it insensible to the im pressions from other objects. To illustrate this, the flame from a batswing gas-burner was held before an engraving, which was concealed from view in all parts where the flame interposed, but when the picture was illuminated by an electric light those portions ( f the picture which before were concealed, became vi sible through the gas-flame. The flame of a lamp or candle is in fact transparent, but it prevents the rays cf light passing through it by making an overpowering impression on the eye by its own superior brilliancy, when, however, the rays from other objects are brighter than the flame, they may be seen through it, as may be readily proved by looking at a sun-lighted object through the flame of a candle. This consi deration of the effect cf . bright light in deadening the impression of other objects leads to the practical result, as Professor Faraday observed, that in light ing a large room it is much better to have a number of small lights in different parts than to have one strong concentrated light. The subject of lamps was appropriately brought to a cl ose w i t h a not i ce o f t h e safety-lamp, invented by Sir Humphery Davy, whose experiments on the properties of flame which led to the invention, were carried on at the Royal Institu tion. One of the steel mills which were previously used in explosive mines was exhibited. It is a con trivance by means of which a rotating piece of steel continually strikes against flint, and the light thus afforded was the only one which miners durst employ in dangerous parts until Sir Humphrey Davy discovered that flame will not pass through wire gauze, and that by covering a lamp with such a screen it may be introduced without danger into the most explosive atmosphere. The effect of the wire gauze was ex hibited by putting a lighted safety lamp into a glass vessel filled with the vapour of ether, when the light, though apparently extinguished, was restored by withdrawing the lamp from the vessel. In an at mosphere containing too little oxygen gas to support combustion, the light may still be continued by the incandescence of a piece of platinum placed near the wick. The lecture was throughout listened to with the most complimentary attention by a full audience. [The following appeared in our Third Edition of last night :—] FRANCE. The Government has received dispatches from the Governor of Senegal, dated the 16th of March, an nouncing the satisfactory termination of the differ ences with the Trazzas, who had given guarantees of friendship and peace after having experienced several defeats. ANOTHER STEAM-BOAT ACCI DENT IN AMERICA. From the latest American journals that have come to hand we transcribe the following painful narra tive : CINCINNATI, APRIL 23.—The Ohio river has again been the scene of a most dreadful and heartrending catastrophe, and (with the exception of the explosion of the steamer Moselle at this port) the most fatal that has ever occurred in this section of the country. Annexed are the particulars, so far as ascertained. This morning the steam-boat Belle of the West, while on her way down the Ohio, one mile below Warsaw, Ky., caught fire, and was almost wholly consumed, together with everything on board. All efforts to check the flames proved unavailing. She had on board, when she left Cincinnati, a great number of emigrants bound for California, about one hundred of whom are supposed to have either been drowned or burned to death. So sudden and overwhelming were the rush of the flames, that escape seemed utterly impossible. The officers and crew of the vessel preserved their lives by jumping overboard and swimming ashore. The scene is described as having been one of the most truly agonising ever witnessed. The few who were saved had left here in company with their boyhood and bosom friends—friends whose interests were blended into one—for the land of golden promise. But, instead of realising their bright anticipations, they were now called upon to gaze in horror at the burnt and mangled remains of those who were to them as brothers. But what was still more deplorable, if possible there were a great number of families on board who were emigrating to the luxuriant prairies of the \Vest. Of those who had been rescued were wives and husbands, parents and children, all standing upon the shore in their night-clothes, and bewailing the loss of their nearest and dearest kindred on earth; while ever and anon the glare of the fire from the boat, or the flicker of a torch on the land, would reveal the charred corpse of some unfortunate victim as it floated in the stream. The Belle of the West was bound to St. Louis, and was insured at Cincinnati for 8,000 dollars. The Algiers journals of the sth contain ac counts of a deplorable disaster which took place there on the preceding day. Arrrangements had been made by the engineers charged to conduct the works of the port, to remove a vast quantity of rock by means of a charge of 3,800 kilogrammes (nearly 4 tons English) of gunpowder, placed in two mines ; and a large crowd of persons assembled to wit ness the spectacle. Instead, however, of the mine ex ploding, as on a previous occasion, in such a way as to cause the rock to slip in a mass, it scattered it in a thousand pieces in all directions. The fragments flew among the crowd, killing some persons and seriously injuring others. Some of the pieces of stone were carried to an extraordinary distance, and with great violence. The panic which this occasioned is inde scribable. When the first confusion had subsided, it was ascertained that eight persons had been killed, among them M. Jourdan, Juge d'lnstruction. The body of this unfortunate gentleman was literally cut in two. The number of wounded was 21, and among them was M. Valein, Councillor of the Prefecture, who had been charged to represent the Prefect. Many of the per sons injured had broken arms and legs; one of them, a grocer, had to undergo amputation of both legs. In consequence of this misfortune, the rejoicings which had been intended to take place t) commemorate the proclamation of the Republic were abandoned. The Governor-General ad interim (General Pelissier) and the Prefect did everything that humanity could suggest for the sufferers, and visited the wounded in the hospitals. They were admirably seconded by the clergy, and the civil and military authorities. In compliance with the wishes of the Governor-General, a solemn mass for the dead was celebrated in the Cathedral, and it was attended by all the func tionaries. THE OVERLAND JOURNEY THROUGH EGYPT. The fallowing letter has been received in reply to a complaint addressed to her Majesty's Consul in Egypt regarding the defective arrangements of the Transit Administration : officers AIA D r o s f o t N h , e Is ANOTHER ACCOUNT. I mer A APRIL is P c it on th sin 2 , 3 a , 1850. — From NteDaAN of the burning of the Belle of the the followi ng :_.... West, we g a th er About half an hour after midnight this morning the steamer was discovered on fire in the hold, and was immediately run ashore, near Warsaw, and made fast. Up to this period the flames bad not yet burst forth, and the after batch was opened for the purpose of getting water into the hold, but such was the rapid headway of the flames, that all efforts to check them proved wholly fruitless, and in a few minutes the entire boat was a mass of fire. The total number of passengers on board was about 300, among whom were two Califor n i a com panies, and twenty families, who were removing to the west. From the register it is ascertained that over 60 have perished, and the probability is that many have been lost whose n ames were not enro ll e d therein. Such was the rapid progress of the fire, that before the passengers could get out of their state-rooms, after the first alarm, all commu nication between the after cabin and the forward part of the boat was cut off, and every one was com pelled to jump into the water, or perish in the fl ames. At the time of the deck falling in, 4 lady and gentle man, with a child in his arms, were standing between the chimneys. There were also on board a large number of horses, which were mostly all burned to death, and those that were not, were so badly burnt that they were obliged to be killed to put them out of their misery. " Cairo, April 12. of the letter addressed to " Sir,—l have the honou mf r eell t o o bwy acknowledge u r ge l f and the a numberreceipt of other gentlemen, your tdateding its Malta, contents _ y p o assengers from India, of his extreme of f os E t g n y o p t t i . me I in an s ub m autho risedsubmit- ting by his Highness to you assure b Mar to ch t h l e Bso V i ceroy and I by the neglect or defective A regret that the party should hays in convenienceeenputatrorsaeurgioemusentsd Administration, of some of the agents of the Transit and his Highness has ordered a searching in quiry m to be o made into the circumstances that formed the su b jec t g f your complaint, with a view to taking efficient measures for the prevention of similar inconvenience in future. "You do his Highness no more than justice in believ ing that ho is anxiously desirous of doing all in his power to increase and extend the facilities for our Anglo-Indian intercourse ; and, after a residence of three years in this country, I can myself bear witness to th e gr ea t i mprovements which the zeal and energy of his Highness have effected in this important service. " I have the honour to be, Sir, "Your ob e di ent humble servant, "Colonel the Hon. 5i......__r H. Dunda"C. A. MURRAY. Her Royal 1-1, - ... jon ess the .117)iii;iTeis—f Orleans, with Chartres, tie . and Monsieur square. her sons the Count of Paris and the Duke e' companied by the Countess de Vins de Pr of de Boismilon, paid a long visit on Mond e aT n e t a o n the Exposi tion of French Industry, in George -street The august visitors were received by Monsieur explanations, further settlement de Lamornaix, who afforded the necessary which appeared to recal the pleasurable recollectipona contributories NORTHER N COAL AND 21INING. COMPANY.-011 Friday the Master in Chancery (Blunt) proceeded with the by Mr. Qui4.er, expositions in Paris, in which her Royal Highness always the of this company's affairs and of the list of 100,0001. The ias h te e took so vivid an interest, and where her great delight liable t to defray the outstanding debts, reported ing to make a call of 10/. to find herself surrounded by the principal manufacturers we rohffiasclal .manager, to amount to about charge the liabilities. ipnetirm sharea ted his per intention shareholder o f r t o o c e d e i c s l . - of France, and to receive information as to the productions of yvaarigetry;aotfohoemaubtefruol tpdroisdtuileismtioinssheodf y marnock, has sent us some particulars f : EXTRAORDINARY icinitofKiI BuLtocK.—A correspondent, in her adopted country. During the past week tlie Exposition the v extraordinary and augmente d been visited five-ar-old b 11 Lady Bradford, &c. which has for a considerable 4 ' ock of the Ayrshire breed, THE LATE EXTRAORDINARY TRANCE. The whole neighbourhood.He period been the wonder of the daughter of James Cromer, of Farrington, whose extraordi • feet high ate e shoulder, iseoais7—"The animal stands six nary condition was noticed in our I,ist, spoke on Tuesday estimated bthe ordinary measurement very great depth of rib, and last for the first time for upwards of thirteen years ; her first , to weigh about 80 tron stones, and r etmoefntdof competent judges inquiry was for her aunt Killen, and when her aunt came the I least 105 tron stones, and the probabilityeeto the weight of at girl immediately repeated the Lord's Prayer. Extreme i reach 120. He has a very small he a d, is Le may even lively eye , • weakness prevented her from articulating many words in tenance, and remarkably docile. Notwithstanding his suc • uppos2d to have un- weight, he has leaped over five-feet great cession • • cramp and convulsions are s up• . gates apparently with locked th '' time. She • r . liced a great deal the greatest case. The e yaw for the time. experienced ox at present is but in I' or( Mar of pain for m is 'Willa tel as irm as before. i condition, having as yet got no extra feeding. The Y good any d ays ; the jaw , , .. pro , . h g i r l see soon terminate ' tors have been offered 100 guineas for him, or 80 i 'Ile" I her eziateac ms to apprehend that death woula 0 .--Brestol Dfirror. 1 the loin of him for threeume as fn , weeks.—Xorth Britiah g _ g a i l y Afaii. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, May 13. Their Lordships met at Five o'clock. PETITIONS. . . Petitions were presented against Sunday labour in the Post-office from Portobello, Musselburgh, and other places in Scotland. Lord BROUGHAM presented a petition in favour of sanitary improvement. The Noble and Learned Lord presented a petition from Christchurch in favour of secular education ; also a petition from Wor cester in favour of the Copyhold Enfranchisement Bill, and similar petitions from a place iu Essex and from the parish of St. Pancras; also petitions from Fermanagh and other pl aces i n f avour o f the extens i on o f the jurisdiction of county courts; also a number of peti• tions in favour of agricultural protection; also petitions from the Liverpool L aw S oc i ety and the Br i stol Law Association praying fur the amendment of the law of debtor and creditor; and s i x p e ti t i ons i n f avour o f t h e claims of assistant-surgeons in the navy, one of which was from the professors of London University College. THE UNIVERSITIES. The NOBLE and LEARNED L ORD , a f te r p resen ti ng t h e previous petitions, took the o pp or t un ity o f d e p recat i ng any change in the existing university system for any Germanic or foreign system. The Duke of WELLINGTON said the university with which he was connected was anxious to make whatever improve ments t h at cou l d b e safely introduced intoits system; but certainly this was the first time that he had heard any mention of the proposed introduction of Germanic principles to which the Noble and Learned Lord had just referred. The governing bodies of the two universities were bound to maintain the rights and statutes of their institutions as by law established; and he did hope, as there were so many branches of society interested in the mainte nance of the universities as they now exist, that they would not be forced into any inquiry which might satisfy a clamour out of doors, but could lead to no good results.—(Hear, hear.) AFFAIRS OF GREECE. Lord STANLEY observed that, since they last met, news had reached this country informing them that the French Minister, who had been dispatched from France to adjust the dispute between this country and Greece, had withdrawn from Greece, and the dispute was ultimately settled by a recourse to coercive mea sures oa the part of this nation. He hoped, now that the matter was settled, the Government would have no objection to lay on the table of the House all the papers relating to it, and to the interference of the French Government.--(Hear, hear.) The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said they certainly should, and in making this reply he might be allowed to state that Mr.Wy se had acted throughout in strict accord • ante with instructions from home,but the moment the Greek Government showed a disposition to negotiate a settle ment of the dispute, Mr. Wyse immediately relaxed hostilities, which were only had recourse to for the pur pose of establishing a great international principle. £he whole conduct of Mr. Wyse had been strictly approved of by her Majesty's Government, and although in the end a bombardment was resorted to under the direction of Mr. Wyse, acting upon his instructions, he could assure their Lordships that the arrangement that was ultimately arrived at varied but little from that proposed by France, though it was more favourable to Greece.—(Cheers.) He had only to add, that it was the earnest hope of her Majes ,ty's Government that this dispute would teach Greece that she had no right to make her weakness a pretence for resis:ing the fulfilment of treaties which her Government might have entered into finally and honourably with her powerful allies.—(Cheers.) Lord STANLEY trusted the papers would bear out the Noble Marquis's statement, but he was as yet nut disposed to absolve the Government from all blame in the matter.—(Hear, hear.) No T bl he eL2ielr4dlcittu is of i it w L ou t i N b S e D i r re N j E ust s o u n gg h e i s s te p d to part if t i he ie were t) suspend his judgment till the papers were before him.—(Hear, heir.) DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS WITH SPAIN. The Marquis of LANSDONV.NE then laid before their Lordships papers which he was satisfied would be highly acceptable t) the Noble Lord who had just qu, , stioned him upon the affairs of Greece. These papers related to the renewal of diplomatic relations between this c. untry and Spain.—(Cheers.) The papers were ordered to lie upon the table. CATHOLIC CLERGY. Their Lordships then adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS, May 13. The SPEAKER took the Chair at Four o'clock. THIRD READINGS. The following Bills were read a third time, and passed:— Dublin, Dundrum, and Rathfarnham Railway (exten sion or revival of powers for the purchase of lands and completion of IN orks, amendment or repeal of Acts). Forth and Clyde Navigation. London and Blackwall Railway. Waterford and Limerick Railway. York and North Midland Railway. The amendments to the following Bills were considered and agreed to:— Daidon (City) Improvements. Peterborough Improvement, Police, and Cemetery, &c. • SECOND READINGS. The Birmingham and Pershore Road Bill was read a second time and order. d to be committed PETITIONS. Colonel SIBTHORP presented a petition from Lin colnshire in favour of agricultural protection. Mr. LOCKHART presented a petition from the Uni versity of Glasgow against the Marriage Bill. Colonel THOMPSON presented a petition from va rious metropolitan parishes in favour of the Inter ment Bill. Mr. COWAN presented a petition from a place in Scotland against the Public Health Bill, and another petition praying fir the amendment of the poor-laws re lating to Scotland. Mr. DUNCAN presented two petitions against the Marriage Bill. Mr. REYNOLDS presented four petitions from Dub lin, praying the House to abolish the city attachment system; also a petition from the same place pre) ing for the abolition of annual vestries in Protestant churches; also a petition from the spirit dealers of Dublin praying to be placed on the same footing with the producers of colonial spirits; and a petition from the pawnbrokers of Dublin praying to be relieved from some of the taxes which peculiarly pressed upon them. Lord JOHN CHICHESTER presented a petition praying the House to take more effective steps for the suppression of the slave trade. Mr. ELLIOT presented a petition from a place in Scotland against the Marriage Bill. Several petitions were presented against Sunday la bour in the Post-office. Mr. HODGSON presented a petition from the factory workers of the county of Cumberland in favour of a ten hours Bill. Mr. F. MACKENZIE presented a petition from Peebles against the Public Health (Scotland) Bill ; also a petition against the Marriage Bill. Sir J. WALMSLEY presented a petition from a place n Norfolk praying for the repeal of the malt tax. Mr. HUME presented a petition from an individual named Shillibeer complaining of the excessive duty im posed on horses used in hearses. Lord DUDLEY STUART presented a petition pray ing for a repeal of the duty on funeral carriages. M. J. B. SMITH presented a petition from Kilmar nock against the Public Health (Scotland) Bill. Mr. F. O'CONNOR presented a petition from Bo:ton in favour of the Ten Hours Act. Sir G. STRICKLAND presented 17 petitions from Preston in favour of the Ten Hours Act. Mr. W. PATTEN presented a petition from Lan caster against a clause in the Highway Act. Mr. M UNTZ presented a petition from the congrega tion in Zion Chapel, Tipton, Staffordshire, praying for a national disarmament. Mr. M. GIBSON presented numerous petitions from Sunday-school teachers and Dissenting congregations in Manchester, Preston, and other places in Lancashire, to the same effect; also a petition from the Manchester Chamber of Commerce, calling the attention of the House to an Act of the British Legislature called the Brazilian Act, which was said to make the subjects of the Emperor of Brazil liable to the laws of this realm with reference to the slave trade, and praying the House to cease to assume jurisdiction over the subjects of Brazil. The Earl of MARCH presented petitions from Man chester and Salford against the relay system in factories. Mr. BRIGHT presented petitions from places in Lan cashire in favour of the Ten Hours Bill; also a petition from Dorset against church-rates; and a petition from a place in Lancashire against the Established Church. Mr. COCKBURN presented a petition from a place in the county of Kilkenny praying for further church accommodation for Roman Catholics in that county. Mr. C. PEARSON presented a great number of pe titions from the metropolitan districts against Sunday labour in the Post-office; also four petitions against in tramural interments. Mr. MACKINNON also presented several petitions against intramural interments. Sir G. PECHELL presented a petition from Brighton in favour of the Secular Education Bill. Mr. B. OSBORNE presented a petition to a similar effect. Mr. R. PALMER presented a petition against the Marriage Bill. The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH presented a petition from the board of guardians of the union of Thomas town, in Ireland, praying for a provision for the Roman Catholic clergy. The petitioners called the attention of their Lordships to the state of the ecclesiastical revenues —the incomes enjoyed by the clergy of the Established Church—the cost of church building where not more than sixty persons attended Divine service, whilst the Roman Catholic chapel at Thomastown was insufficient for the accommodation cf the numbers who attended. The petitioners reminded their Lordships that though Parliament had at different times granted large sums of money for th 3 purpose of extending church accommoda tion in England and Wales, and even in the Highlands of Scotland, yet not a single farthing had ever been given for the Church accommodation of the Roman Catholic people of Ireland. The petitioners then remarked, that though they were on friendly terms with the rector, who had acted with humanity during the famine, and als3 with their Protestant neighbours, yet they implored their Lordships' assent to any measure which would give a provision to the Roman Catholic Church, that would not connect that Church with the State. The petitioners declared that, without desiring to injure vested rights, they prayed that the surplus revenues of the Protestant Church might be applied for the purpose of extending usefully and particularly for increasing church accommodation for the Roman Catholics of Ire land. He differed from the petitioners in this prayer. He thought that if there were a surplus of funds from the Church of Ireland, the Church in this country would have the first claim on it. He considered the united Chusathes as one. If, then, there should be a Parliamen tary provision for the Roman Catholics, that aid to be so given to the Roman Catholic Church ought not to be taken from the Church of England. Ile was satisfied that any such suggestion from those favourable to such a provision for the Roman Catholic clergy, would throw back the plan to a hopeless distance of time. In this country there was a strength of Protestant feel ing which could at any time be aroused to protect the Church from injury or offence. In accordance with that feeling no boon would be conceded to the Roman Ca tholic Church, however reasonable, which involved either injury or offence to the Protestant Established Church. He concurred with the prayer of the petitioners, that there should be no connexion between their Church and the State; and he must sa y th a t he felt assured that it would be found inconvenient to a Protestant state itself to interfere with the patronage of a Roman Catholic Church, whilst its doing so would create in the Protes tant mind of this country the strongest feelings of pre judice. He considered no object could be of more im portance than the improvement of the moral and social condition of Ireland, and that a good feeling might be created by finding the State anxious to improve their places of worship.—(Hear, hear.) The funds for such a purpose might be found in the sums to be repaid to the Imperial Treasury by Ireland, and which formed the substance of a Bill to bo read a second time that night. lie could not imagine any source from which the funds might be more fitly ,drawn. He would be glad to see these sums applied to Church ac commodation for the Roman Cathclics, and if there were any sum beyond this, then to the building of glebe houses for the Catholic clergy—and then, undoubtedly, if there were funds, top urc h ase l an d s by which the clergy of the Roma,a Catholic Church might be endowed ; and remembering the considerable quantity of land for sale under the Encumbered Estates Act, he thought the ob ject might be readily effected. With these observations he presented the petition entrusted to him. Lord REDESDALE expressed his regret that this subject had been mooted, as it was calculated to lead to much excitement and controversy. MASTERS' JURISDICTION IN EQUITY BILL. Lord BROUGHAM postponed the Committee on this Bill to that day fortnight. DISTRESSED UNIONS ADVANCES AND RE PAYMENT OF ADVANCES (IRELAND) BILL. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE moved the second reading of this Bill. He did not, he said, expect any opposition to the principles or the details of the Bill. He then entered into an explanation of the measure, which proposed to advance 300,000/. a year, to be expended in the distressed unions, and consolidated all the debts due from the unions, and extended the p eriod of re payment to forty years. He stated that in consequence of the in crease of accommodation in the workhouses, there was one-third less receiving relief up to the 31st of March this year, as compared with the return u p to the 31 st t o h f e M ß a il r i. c 1; last year. He moved po s thes k e second o n i n a low n d re adin g tone of e The Earl of GLENGALL wh o of voice, was understood to say that this Bill gav e greater powers to the Government than any he had ever seen. The Noble Lord threw out suggestions for the improvement of the Bill, which he would state more fully in Committee. The Duk e of LEINSTER expressed his satisfaction at finding powers given in the Billto enforce these rates. In the union of Celbridge, with which he was connected, he believed that they were very well able to pay, and he had been constantly out-voted in his efforts to get these rates paid. The Earl of 1110UNTCASIIEL said that Celbridge was one of the best unions in Ireland. The pauper po pulation was very small, the land was very productive, and near the best market in the country. But in the south and west of Ireland the unions were in a much worse condition, and of greater magnitude. Serious evils might be created there, if the powers under this Bill were fully put in force. He trusted that some measures would be taken in order to protect particular unions from falling into utter ruin, and to assist them to extricate themselves from the evils to which they were exposed. The Earl of WICKLOW was given to understaud that this was one of the most arbitrary measures that the Government had passed for Lreland, for it gave them power to enforce any or the whole portion of this money from any electoral union they pleased. H e was sure that the Bill had been framed in the best and most humane spirit; but that, be believed, was not the opinion of the guardians of the different unions in Ire land. He thought that there ought to be a provision in troduced into it, which would have the effect of prevent iug the raising of say money under this Bill under a certain per tentage, as otherwise it would have the effect of completely detesting all the advantages that might be expected to arise from the sales of property under the Encumb?red Estates Bill. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said that power was vested in the Treasury to enable the el to stipulete f a the distribution of the burd,n t.quall•i. This Lila dal no : contain any power in respect to this point which the Treasury did not possess at .present, The Treaaary had ABOLITION OF THE YEOMANRY. Mr. H. BERKELEY gave notice that, shortly after the Whitsuntide holidays, he should move a resolution to the effect that it was expedient that the yeomanry force of Great Britain and Ireland should be disarmed and abolished.--(Laughter.) EXTRAMURAL INTERMENTS. Mr. LUSHINGTON gave notice of an amendment to the Extramural Interments Bill respecting the appoint ment of incumbents. ECCLESIASTICAL COMMISSION. Sir B. lIALL gave notice that he would put a ques tion to the Noble Lord (L , )rd John Russell) respecting certain advances which had been made by the Ecclesias tical Commissioners to the Bishop of Exeter for the re• building or repair of his residence; also, when the Com mission intended to make their ❑ext report to the House. CORN AVERAGES. In reply to the Earl of MARCH, Mr. LABOUCHERE said the present system on which the corn averages were obtained precluded their being correct, and that it was impossible to improve that system without going to great expense, and baying machinery expressly for the purpose ; but if the Noble Earl, or any other gentle man connectei with the agricultural interest, could show any be tter mode of obtaining more correct averages, he should be happy to give it his best consideration. MERCANTILE MARINE BILL. In reply to Mr. BOUVERIE, Mr. LABOUCHERE also stated that he intended to take the second reading of this Bill on Thursday, the 6th of June. MEDICAL CHARITIES (IRELAND) BILL. The RIGHT HON. GENTLEMAN also stated, in reply to Mr. Clements, that he intended to postpone the Com mittee on this Bill until Friday week. IRISH FISHERIES. _ _ _ Mr. ANSTEY gave notice that on Thursday next he should move fur leave to bring in a Bill relating to the illegality of nets in the Irish fisheries. ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE OVER WED- NESDAY. Mr. CAYLEY asked the Noble Lord at the head of the Government if there was any urgent reason why the House should adjourn over Wednesday? Lord JOHN RUSSELL said the Queen's birthday would be celebrated on Wednesday, and he believed it would be without precedent for the House to meet on that day? THE CLERIC IN THE IRISH SECRETARY'S OFFICE. Mr. B. OSBORNE asked what course the Irish Go vernment had pursued with reference to the clerk in the Irish Secretary's-office who had run away, end whether they had advertised him in the Hue and Cry? Sir W. SOMERVILLE was understood to sa' there had been an inquiry into the accounts of the individual who had absconded, but he could not say that he had been advertised in the Hue and Cry. Mr. B. OSBORNE—He has not.—(Laughter.) Mr. GOULBURN asked the St cretstry of Ireland, if the clerk, who had absconded, was not the individual who gave evidence before the Irish Marriage Comteis sion, and stated the willingness of the Irish Presby terians to accede to the Bill.—(Laughter.) Sir W. Somerville made no reply. AUSTRALIAN COLONIES GOVERNMENT BILL. Mr. W. GLA DS I ONE rwe 0) lump-, f ri an amend went thu tiat..titm that the Autil•alian vernment Bill be read the third tame, the folio wingre;;- lution :-6 6 That this House, adverting to the numerous provisions of the Australian Colonies Government Bill, which require the interference of the authorities at home in the future regulation of the affairs of those colonies, and desirous to reduce as far as possible the occasions for such interference, and to place the political institutions (4' the said colonies upon the basis most likely to be per manent, will not give its further sanction to that Bill, , until there shall h ave b een a ff or d e d to th e governors , I legislatures, and people of the said colonies an op portunity of considering the • provisions of the measure as they st an d, i n conjurietion with the several proposals varying from them which have been submitted to the notice of the House." If the foregoing resolution be adopted, then to move, " That it is expedient to make provision, by an Act to be passed during the present session of Parliament, for securing to the inhabitants of the district of Port Philip, in the colony of New South Wales, the application of the revenues proceeding from that district to its own purposes exclusively." He was very sensible that it was an invidious task to propose to the House to retard even for a moment the passing of a measure which had for a portion of its objects to confer franchises and representative institu tions on some of our fellow-.subjects who did not now enjoy that advantage. But, at the same time, he feared lest in this Bill they found a new exemplification of the truth of the old adage, " the more haste the worse speed." The legislation which they were now called on to sanction had been hasty and crude; and he thought. they should not only best discharge their duty on general grounds; but save their time, by postponing this measure until the feelings of the colonists could be ascertained respecting it. It was impossible to overrate the importance of the duty in which Parliament was engaged in constituting laws for the colonies. The institutions which the) might now give to them might perhaps influence their exist ence for future ages. He aid not say that they %outd never hear of the colonies again in that House,. that they had now t o p ass a fi na l measure with regard to them. It was their duty, however, to take care that the consti tution which they established was in conformity with the wishes of the colonists—that it was a constitution the best which they could pass in accordance with the wishes of the colonists. This was the first year in which they had had an opportunity of con sidering the relations of anything more than a mere temporary measure. They had no proof that this measure was iu conformity with the wishes of the colonists, but, on the contrary, they had a proof that it was in direct opposition to them, and he thought that the colonists had a perfect right to say, Give us consti tutions which have received the full approbation of Par liament. When the people of South Australia received a constitution they expressed their thankfulness for the measure. But they must recollect that the persons who had expressed their thankfulness were persons who had never been in the enjoy ment of any representative Government whatever. The opinions of the colonists, wherever they had been declared, were at variance with the Bill, because they wished the institutions of the colony to resemble as nearly as possible those of the mother country, and the Bill• did not provide them with such institutions. However, a great change had taken place in the views of the Government within the last few months. They had lately made the important announce ment that they were ready to give the Cape of Good Hope a second legislative chamber on the basis of a re presentative principle, and the disclosure was so novel, and would produce such an electric effect wherever it spread, that the colonists of New South Wales would soon show their dissatisfaction, when they found that the same privilege had nut been conceded to them. There were fear points of view in which he objected to the present measure. First, because it required the constant interference and review by the authorities at home in the future managemeot of the lewd affairs of the colony; secondly, because it pro vided that on the requisition of any two of the five colonies a general assembly might be appointed to override the acts of a separate colony; thirdly, because the great work of legislation was confided to a single chamber, especially when composed like the one at pre sent in existence; and fourthly, because it did not deal with the elective franchise of the colony. With respect to the veto-on the colonial legislation he had been so far deluded as to think that that veto was iu some manner necessary to secure unilormity of legis lation. It was the reservation of that veto on colonial legislation, in connexion with other circumstances, that entailed on the House the whole of their present respon sibilities with regard to the internal government of the colonies; and the House would never te able to diminish the extravagant expenses in the Colonial-office until they adopted more rational principles of freedom in the management of the internal affairs of the colonies. What was the reason fur retaining that veto? Had it the advantage of giving uniformity to the system oflaws throughout the colony ? No such thing. There were many laws in most of the colonies totally different from the laws which prevailed in England. It would have this effect also, that it would make the law for a con siderable time uncertain. For twelve or eighteen months or two years after the law had passed, no man could tell whether it was really the law or not. Surely that was an evil of the most serious kind. They never could separate the rights of freemen from their responsibilities; they never could take away from them their responsibilities without taking away from them their rights too.—(Hear, hear.) They never would have had that masculine blood intused into their Ame rican colonists which prevailed if they had recognised such a principle. Let, then, the colonists be really responsible for the details of their own laws. What imaginable reason could there be for making ours a rule for them?—(Hear, hear.) He would venture to state to the House that this system of inter ference with colonial laws was one which would be productive of most vexatious results.—(Hear, hear.) There was one reason why be could not dismiss from his mind that there were cases in which they might feel it necessary not to interfere with the measures of the colonists. He could refer to two instances of this ; first, in the case of the Canada Rebellion Act. He did not think that the Noble Lord at the head of the Government would have the courage to pro pose any such measure as had been proposed in the Canadian Legislature, to compensate them for losses which they had sustained while in arms against her Majesty's Government. The next was in an Act passed this year, by which the King's Col lege had been transformed into Toronto University. He was entirely opposed to the power given to this country to review the local legislation of the colony, and hoped the House would not give its sanction to it without further consideration. He also objected to the clauses which provided for the appointment of a general assembly at the request of two out of five of the colonies. That was utterly repugnant-to the wishes of the colonists, and he believed that not a single petition had teen presented to the House in favour of such a principle. The clauses had no doubt been inserted on the precedent afforded us by the United States; but the position which that country occupied was vastly different to our colonies. The United States confederated together— they had the strongest political necessity for so doing— because they knew they were open to the assaults of she great powers of Europe—England, France, Holland, and Spain. But was that the case of the Australian co lonies? The five colonies were geographically separated —only two were connected together. They were like ribbons along the coast, separated by vast and impas sible deserts and by the sea—they had neither commu nity of interest nor feeling, which made it desirable for them to combine. With regard, however, to North America, there were many reasons why it might be ad vantageous to have a different system. The problem, he admitted, was a difficult one, but he did not say Go vernment were not, on that account, to attempt to solve it, and te determine how far the power of a general as sembly was to be limited by local rights on the one hand, by Parliament on the other. With reference to the debate which had taken place on the question of a single or double chamber—all the reason of the case and all the conviction of the House were its favour of a double chain ber. . The question was decided by that 'House, not with reference to its own merits and the weight of autho rities, but with reference to political interests and the division of parties at home.—(Hear.) If it were pos sible to separate the questions he believed a different re sult would be arrived at. He was not making any charge against the Administration, he was only endeavouring to show that what had taken place in this matter had arisen out of the political opposition of party. Every authority was against that which they were going to do. Why were they going to give Australia a single cham ber? He did not blame the Act of 1842; there wete reasons existing which justified it. It was an experi ment—but it was quite wrong to come to the conclusion that the experiment had answered, and to proceed on that belief that they must give all the Australian tole vies larger political institutions. If so, and if the pre ,nt constitution was bad as an experiment, why were they going to extend the mischief? Sir W. Denison said that a single house or legislative body would not be approved of or work well. They were now going to give a single legislative chamber to the colonies. lie would ask, what was the position of the nominated members? Did they enjoy the respect or confidence of their colleagues? Were they looked upon as ptirties likely to give an independent vote, or were they regarded as the tools and slaves of Government? They were looked upon as the tools and slaves of Government.— (Hear, hear.) In the discharge of' their legislative functions they were regarded as having no will or con science of their own, but were merely tho blind instru ments of the will of another.—(Hear.) Why should such a system be continued? The clauses which were assumed to give the colonies the right of self-manage ment were mere wind and paper, while they kept in their hands the power ti check and control the colonial wishes. He did not think the composition of the legis lative system of New South Wales was looked upon with such respect as to make it advisable to adopt it in other colonies. It was not the ideal standard for colonies. He would not go into the question of the want of materials for a double.chamber. If there were no materials—that even would be no answer to the claim, and no valid reason why it should be denied. He would ask the House to look to the cradle of European constitutions. It was true that in the first instances the Saxon and Anglo- Saxon constitutions had only a single chamber, but there was always the germ of a double chamber in them.— (Hear, hear.) He would ask :what they proposed to do with the wild lands? It appeared from the Bill, they intended not to give the Legislative Council the control of these lands, because they were afraid such a power would be turned to personal purposes The proper cure for*this fear would tbe to have two chambers, and thus a watch and check upon irregularity would be ensured. The opinion of Mr. Madison was confirmatory of this view. He did not say it was the business of Parliament to form a double chamber ler the population c f Aus tralia. They hal better leave the matter to the colonists. It would be better to take a defective constitution from the colonists . let thorn work ‘)ur. their tv.,11 0 1, 14 thecn9elv(-s, ..'r the power already of requiring repayment of this money if they were inclined to act up to the letter of that law which was in face for the last two years. It was not advisable that the unions should be afforded a facility for delay. The Treasury had not any power under this Bill which they did not deem indispensable in enabling them to exercise a useful discretion. As to pressing with un due severity upon any particular unions, or requiring them to meet these burdens in one, two, or three years, instead of 40, ❑othing could be further from the inten tions of the Government. The Bill had been framed with great anxiety and with a disposition to treat Ire land with the greatest leniency and kindness.—( Hear.) The Marquis of WESTMEATH objected to the mea sure fur conferring such arbitrary power upon the Poor law Commissioners. The Poor-law Commissioners, in their absence, might delegate their powers to their se cretary. He deprecated conferring such dangerous power upon those Commissioners. Lord BEAUMONT said that the Bill appeared to be greatly misunderstood by some Noble Lords. The mea sure conferred no more power upon the Government or Treasury than they at present possessed. The Treasury, under this Bill, would merely have a wider discretion than they had before in giving these different unions a greater length of time for the repayment of these ad vances, and to pay in such proportions as existing cir cumstances would justify. Lord REDE ALE was surprised at such a power being given to the Treasury as this Bill conferred—a power that might be managed to a most dangerous extent in re ference to elections.—("Hear, hear," from Lord Stanley.) For, supposing that a certain union owed a considerable debt and that the Commissioners a short time before an election was to take place demanded payment of the money, a certain candidate in favour with the Govern ment, might have it in his power to obtain good terms for the union, and then might come before the consti tuents with superior advantages, and obtai❑ his election in consequence. That was a must dangerous and uncon stitutional power to be vested in the Treasury. He did not mean to say that, in the present case, any undue in fluence would be used in reference to elections; but he thought it was not a fitting power for Parliament to place in the hands of any Treasury, whatever confidence they might have in the Government. He hoped that some Parliamentary security would be required against the improper exercise of this power. After a few words from the Earl of GLENGALL, the Bill was read a second time. On the motion of the Marquis of LA.NSDOWNE, the Parliamentary Voters (Irehnd) Bill was read a first time. I 1 efil ed:: a one at oar dicralon. Bat what he tn.r.t conapkiti.d of was, they were going to f rre.i this 83 stem the colonists without consulting them, or acceding to ed t ,3 t° itS their expressed wishes. They were g - d deg t y Cape of Good Hope a double chamber an sold Australia. He wished all that hatlAubeenass, std .17,0 subject in that House to go out to - basin f t ota r the Bill be deferred, and the House a we ns 1 , their votes until the opinions of the cololusZnese,,, twined. The next point was as to the n S eo , s ead s t ,, New South Wales there was a populetoei"are. Dy which were about to be affected by this re t n o treo d e el ', op, ration of tide measure they would it t e sseb°, oo l , narrow franohi,e. They would not a ( ta t he re au s e or stockholders, and by requiring a ma n s lus ele ets ot 201. a year they would exclude a l v o ° set ols, ioo . Oa o , emigrants who had settled in the been in it long enough to acquire a quallnc ii art p)l) s he cowa ;I vo" to the peculiar predominance or L, gie D tion in those coloniei, the proposed arr e a r n a g el e A ti t ti; r oat t e o d 9 _t b hh l ev, f i r v a , o o :,7 ol l give them a still greater prepond _ 0 j th ec e tion ka t e h h a o t hie c r ou a ld nd be If this were right on abstract did Government hesitate to adopt it? s s s t t ock be hold b e ceptable, to the colonies, for it had bee', s how' ts prayer of the colonists that the ft _, ro pe lowered so as to admit the general body . 0 ' oa t r c , labourers, mechanics, and steckholdr:• fo to e io 131 . 1 , 3 1 rhe halo sr r principle,,,_a_eae, lot :ito Government going to do by the adopting the wise and wished-air he With t y out, they were going to give by their Ism,' On II ' destmb ", legislative councils, prospectively , ° I the Ares' -eel' franchise, and to refuse such power o at P all gislative Council. The convict interest i tir s af ol It strong in New South Wales; but by th cou l F d i ee be stronger. When that interest was.? (p e ers. , t; d tt tively strong in the Legislative Couneor ein " its el were about to deny them the power tO _trongettie franchise; but whsn that interest became 5 eeg isla d e then proposed to give that power t° bandi o ° Council. He vies-afraid Government wereoligarobizi the franchise by their Bill to sa que r, ll e •;01 the very worst kind.-(Loud cries of eel te e ~o 1 The conduct of Government iu this re . sp . of / s ot to be totally oppmed to all prineir: wet t e e and analogy. They were giving b l e b th! st d Diemen's Land and South Australia ww ore arg o n tually took away from . Port Phillip. t e)00 of a el o e ' no representative council; they has; % s od 0 01 0 parties, and yet that anomalous and nn ent• et proceeding had been adopted by Gov s er , he plat ( nlel had not amply shown the absurdity 0 " be pa o f bare recital of the fact s , h e should consider . 0 c ot , ro t to establish his case. H e asked the House , : t heir ° jos nicate first with the col on i es before they g a ined 1° 0 0 . 9 W oo 001 0 . sanction to the Bill. It was because be the union between o ur co l on i e s and the 113° N; 00 0 of established on the surest basis, because b ; p soV e nr that the Bill would ac t mischievously on t d to 0 0 0 the calories, and because it was on)P se n eerit° - 0 ,1 blishment of , the good feeling and good .. 0 0ds , Il he wished to see cultivat e d, and on other Pciecnioll'er ho begged to ask the House to delay tla es tl O ir was impossible to refuse to New South co l o ny 0 0 0 1 largement of the franchise to which the _ so ol d „0 titled. It was also their duty to' offer to s ° 00 1 r such a form of constitution as would be , h a ve t , 3 ,e 1 say permanent and final, but which thing in it of the character of permane nee i te might be the righte, or the privileges, or t he p rou to o would o f o i Parliament of controlling the colonies, D i rlis i o ti against the continuance of any control 0 0 , 0 8 0 0 over their management or their local coneer„ convinced that such a .a stem only entailr ot eltti expense on the country-that to continue ceps' risk a responsibility which he would not s ,• fi es 11 iir had already produced such a state cf alan i rf i nt obliged Parliament to adopt the painful ne e : s ` w i ert t i g ter:ering ; that in so interfering Parlianseosonif? compelled to act inconsistently, or by ° ri le °‘01:, neutral policy to make themselves scoot:oli° tbe dishonesty; whereas by giving to the o°,, °9 be etc ) ;llo nagement of their local affairs, they won the dictates of prudence, maintain the 0 °" s ea 140 Crown, secure the affections of the c olonie s ' oo s el ) the colonies in that position which ever , ' . g ) would desire to see them eccupy.-(CheerN, Th e bit Mr. ROEBUCK seconded the amentn e t - ,sy e f ;i fter would in a great measure divest this e° 3l- 'inisi ibt power over the colony. It appeared t° that ;. all our experience in colonial le Government had learned nothing train to el gislationt the l i t al What ought the history of the C Oloni es o otti l taught them? That bet ween th e mother c he vei l s' the colonies there must b e di s p u tes as to t o power of each. But h a d th e Government h t its a n fr vision for such case s ? N o suc h thing. " Noble Lord at the h ea d o f th e co l o nies del l. s ea "JO pointed a Commission to advise the Cron reg° N r , the advice of th a t C omm i ss i on h e ac ted vv i r t ee ' e a; South Africa and A us t ra li a . H e believe(' w 0 ass: o Lord wished to be gen e r ous , b u t he had sh° 13fP o of courage iu dealing with th e p r inciples S e le 33 ;r l dowe.-(ilear, hear.) With r ega rd to New 0; 0 06 would ask, was there ever sent out a hod," ° f g 0 0,4 worthy of being entrusted with the power gore' themselves. They requested the . privilege powers themselves, and Earl Grey acceded w the u e 1°," 0 " a Bill was brought in to carry out the wishes any lonies; but an unworthy fear of his countrYtspeolittSe the Noble Lord to act contrary to the Act °, f 7„ e t A si e e 'd How did the Noble Earl d ea l wi th S o uth 1 1 . 3r h - t ee shrinking from responsibility, he went sport „It' Council, and instructions founded on their ho r d - i ; sent out. requiring the then governing p c/ pare a constitution•, and by this 1 0 , 1 1 0 5 40 cumbendibus the Noble Lord again escaPet.,:" f e, r oc iff sibility. What did the Noble Lord do ro",ie e. o Australia? Still acting upon the suggestion of • s ; nth, Council, he threw the responsibility upon ° there, without attempting himself to solve 013, ficulty. The Noble Lord did not deserve Ol s en a legislator. However goo d hi s i n t en tions °J o e bean, he quailed under t h e diffi cu l t i es before atree.oo, Noble Lord had shirked his duty, evaded bi ° re see dicated his power, and thrown on others t b :a001-0 0 bility which his position entailed upon " 0 0 0 (Cheers.) This was what Earl Grey had dol 3e ' re r 0 01 the Acts ever passed he (Mr. Roebuck) bad f t e 'ess, a more lame, impotent, disjointed, unerte °3 , 4 , -ti a );:tot incomplete measure than the one now before "" 0 0 pis -(Hear.) In the first place there was it i o n ° nbe r between 'the mother country and the o . ha 0 1 : A this Bill point out where the power of AOo country ended, and where that of the colony ado o / gin ? No line whatever was d rawn . All w as shef., : enl out, vague, and indefinite. A n d w hat wt 33 ` °line about to do ? They w ere a b out to g ive it e n e e eltift° constant cause of dissension. All the c" . . l l e r. s its r arisen out of the constituti on o f th e fi rs t oh° 1 " - re to` Noble Lord acknowled ge d t wo c h am b er s 10 be e s only But how did he avoid the diffi cu i u y? Mark hi- 0 431 1k . courage-his want of darin g - the mann er y ob 41‘ threw off his responsibility. The Noble Do t " bo t 111 0 second chamber to be chosen by th e peoPl e t , s , - tbr e it 1 not dare the responsibility of p ro p os i n g it, ' j e rk' " e ° o o. on the chamber itself. Was that the fitting C° se "Colonial Minister to take?--(Hear, hear.) kit 0 ', l le eidered the proposition for a federal asses 3l ',l o , l' e " of. wise one, and thought the chance of uniting '04 8 4 in one general assembly ought to be taken atl!„ .i teilfis' He charged the Government with incapacity Ow 0 0 forward such a disjointed, broken, i o coniplet i esefone efficient measure, which could not fail tO i° o ol° its' future destiny of a mighty empi re . P o steritY;ioc o o r on looking at that great p eo pl e , th at t h e ir es' s i .ofr e oll owing to the individual perseverance and no ° ,:iedi,ial l lishmen standing alone, u na id e d, utoes°"t / 1 " thwarted by the Governme n t o f t h e co untry " o t bs they belonged.-(Cheers.) a l 0 ° nil Mr. HAWES said the eff ec t o f th e propos. --° A Right Hoo. Gentleman was t hi s - t h at t h e 1:10 315- t hey o r proceed no farther with this measure, but th at t d o t t er with all the am en d men t s w hi c h h a d b een ad°l 3 ," e se 100 ,jetted, should be tra nsm it te d to t h e gove rnors , 'by t ",e o labors, and the people of four colonies, to b e ie geol) considered, in order that some satisfectorY,,,7l) , g . " might afterwards take place. Now he ( 2 °; d at 'do thought it would be much better for the p' p v il dit ) „V Gentlemen at once to move that the third, r n , o h e " bs postp ,ned for three months. The Right 02- 09 4 man seemed t ) have abandoned the prineiPle.,,, t tro d before pro.essed. When the Bill was first P - e -t t le'p l il' the R ght Hon. Gentleman said that he anP s r°l o3, e ,.o o l principles. And what were those principle!' th e use did not propose to surrender the power or wrig•,p' over the colonies, nor did it propose to separe t at ehaso from the colonies. But the Right Hon. Ge l3 .„ t " - d re '"1 0 ' peered ready to abandon our colonial empire' ‘r e ttil Parliament from all responsibility connected Mal legislation. Mr. GLADSTONE-Local legislation. A . 4 Mr. HAWES-The Hon. and Learned 04.00, said that Earl Grey had abandoned his dig 2 :oo o i nt these colonies the power to amend their n°,.% po Now he (Mr. Hawes) apprehended that mo u t bs n ola was more likely to prevent co lli s i on betwaeu ;lift Government and the col on i es th an an y o ther t i lbe be adopted. That power was now freely and f° §ofh t ooti time conceded to the colony.-(H ear , hear.) na jerf - pso tue Bill desired by the colo n i s t s or not ? ofPt th e the Right Hon . Gentleman t o sa y th a t no * I L& 0- OW, be, n given of thi s measure by t h e co l on ists. t the o f tee eat meeting at Adelaide they-resolved tu t/ 0 101e lad before Parliament, so far as relates to tb e d ,, - ts South Australia, _meets the _wishes and w e ' - ‘lo oe ne colony in most of its essential provisions, 0 33 7,, a bel l :ibta to be regarded as a wise, liberal, and oot ° , 1 :01°"0 9 measure."-(Hear, hear.) It was said that tPw C did not approve of this Bill. But if they did 6 0 0 .1 single chamber, they would have the power of alt it, and converting it into a double chansbel' t here 00 The Right Hon. Gentleman seemed to this s ', e rellgt o some ch sire on the. part of Earl Grey £ 0 wish ItV undue power over the colonies, and that 0 %,01 0 0: narrow and fetter their power. Now nothing, hoe. 0P founded in fact. If he understood the Rig ei ll '',;ao ° Roman, he would give up the veto of the tar'"' questions. 0 0? Mr. GLADSTONE-On local questions. eStn- t o Mr. HAWES-Yes, but what were local ci c ; r ev Was the Rebellion Losses Bill a local questi t t e e tl ij a e , land questions Imperial or local? Were, rev e- clr 33 'd Lions Imperial or local? It was im satislactery line in that resect. And be °: for t oe the constitution of a legal chamber at b°®-chant decision of such • - . • ble g tb . questions more objections, t oe 00 decision of tae Secretary of State. Be nes t° e s tl ea tel this Bill would be accepted by the c oloniste nt n Y' r ".o# and liberal measure. The people of Ne w ,, S() ,A• 0 9 ! p e g 's had had the Bill before thorn and apprn ve ' en D le TS e r L cipl. , o' a single chamber. The people of oe•- : 00 possible tensiorto Land had also at a great public meeting g' ve [ah 36 %,ler proval of its principle. In a petition of haulm ads," to of Port Philip, they prayed for a Const ti woror to that of New South Wales or, in oth er i ss f a n eel that provided for by this Bill. or, feeling' O A f,ea fr oi, was unanimous, and yet the Honourable alj' tt ° lo t han Member fur Sh ' etlield with more ' eloquence chill t e' —," its pi ov nilons s o worl6 l°l l site ;0 , .4 0 1 14 join th" lava lion. (4, !adores!' oPPe„,jeti copA o d its further progre.,:. co uld no t 14 0 0. :p 'he principle of agreement between th ° o ° Learned Member for Sheffield and the Rig -- ht T.estj ', *o llk std n