The Sun. — London, England, 1850-02-15 00:00:00

ZiiirV Witttiatt SUN OFFICE, Seven o' Clock. EXCHEQUER.-(THIS DAY.) THE CHARTIST LAND SCHEME. O'CONNOR V. BRADSHAW. (Continued from our Afternoon Edition.) Mr. Knight, a clerk in the Union Bank, said he had received an offer from Mr. O'Connor to become the manager of his bank at a salary of 500/. a year; but w hen he saw the constitution of the bank, and the offices in Holborn, he wrote to him to decline accepting the office. Mr. Ansell, actuary to the Atlas Assurance Society, examined by Mr. ROEBUCK, said—l have read the rules of the National Land andßank Company. The number of shares are stated to be 100,000 at 265. each, which would raise 130,000/. Taking the first capital at the limitation that no person should have more than four or less than two shares, 35,000 shares might be allotted out of the drat capital. Supposing it cost 300/. to locate each person, 130,0001. would locate 433 persons. Supposing the capital to be 273,000/., subscribed by 70,000 persons, that sum would locate 910 persons. If the estates were sold, and other estates bought, at 273,00 C/., and this process were to be re peated every year, it would take 150 years to locate 0,000 persons, and the cost would be 21,000,0001. — (Loud laughter.) Mr. ROEBUCK said this was all the evidence he pro posed to offer. The Court adjourned fur a short interval, and on the return of his Lordship Mr. ROEBUCK complained of the close atmosphere of the coati, and requested that the windows might be opened. Mr. Sergeant WIKLINS said the air was intolerable, and if Dr. Reid's system of ventilation were continued the emigration committee would be saved a great deal of trouble, for he would kill the whole of them. Mr. Philip: M . Grath, the financial secretary and director of the National Land Company, was next ex amined. The directors, he said, attended at the offices in Holborn from nine in the morning until six in the evening, and they consisted of Mr. Feargus O'Connor, Mr. Doyle Mr. Thomas Clark, Mr. William . 'Dixon, and himself. The professed object of the company was to purchase land, and to distribute it among the subscribers. The witness then gave an account of the different conventions and conferences held throughout the country at which the rules were drawn up and settled. The receipts of the company and all the proceedings of the direc tors were regularly published in the columns of the Northern Stur, which was generally read by the members. Five estates bad been purchased, and on all of them allottees had, been located. The society had about 500 branches in the provinces; each had a se cretary, who called a meeting of members every week, and whose duty it was to collect the subscriptions and to remit them to London. lie (Mr. M•Grath) was in the habit of drawing up a weekly balance-sheet, which was inserted in the Aorthern Star, and thus a check was kept both over the local secretaries and the London office. This plan had been adopted ever since he became connected with the company. Mr. O'Connor was the treasurer, and he brought forward his balance-sheet at each annual conference, and the course of business at each of these meetings was to appoint an audit:committee, who inquired into its corectness. The bank was established at the Lowbands' conference in December, 1846, and com menced operations almost immediately afterwards. It was carried on, in the first instance, in Dean-street, Soho, where the business of the Land Company was trans acted; but the offices were removed, in December, 1847, to Holborn, where the two departments were separated and managed by different parties, although under the same roof. Cross-examined by Mr. ROEBUCK—My duties are de fined by the rules. It was my business to keep the books of the company. There is a day-book, a cash book, and a ledger. The conference at Low bands, in Gloucestershire, had submitted to We balance-sheet of the accounts, and it was ratified. I have not got it, but suppose it is in the possession of Mr. O'Connor. The Item of 1.9221. entered into the cash-book was handed over to Mr. M`Gowan, who is a printer and pub lisher, and the agent of Mr. O'Connor in London. I receive a salary of 21. a week, and the directors aro all paid and receive a similar sum, with the exception of Mr. O'Connor, who has no remuneration. One of the rules required that the financial secretary should ac company one of the directors to the London Joint Stock Bank, when any money is paid in, I have never done this, but as the rules were not en rolled under the Friendly Societies' Act, we did not think it strictly necessary to act upon them. There is nothing in the rules which authorised me to pay any money over to Mr. M`Growan. The total Rum he received was 112,2771. Hid. We found :out in 1848 that the company in conaection with the bank was but we received after this deposits to the amount of 20,0001. or 30,0001. Mr. O'Connor wrote a circular to the depositors, stating that the Bank and Land Company would be separated. He then became banker as well as trea surer. When the separation took place, the depositors lost their security upon the land. After the circular the money was still paid to Mr. M'Gowan.sThere had been previously one common account, but the departments were kept entirely distinct afterwards, and the expenses of the bank were paid by Mr. O'Connor. Re-examined by Mr. Sergeant WI-.mm' Mr. O'Connor has not received a single farthing from the company, although he has devoted a great deal of time to promoting its objects. The other directors are work ing men, and it is impossible for them to give their ser vices and to travel about the country without receiving some remuneration. Mr. M'Gowan, the printer of the Northern Star, and Mr. Price, the manager, and other witnesses, were ex amined, but the case had net concluded at the rising of the Court. MARKET INTELLIGENCE. (From the London New Price Current, Feb. 15.) SUGAR.—To day only a small business was concluded in West India Muscovado Sugar for the pan or scale, the purchases amounting to 364 hhds, &c., and rather lower rates are acceded to. The sales for the week amount to only 1,170 hhds, whilst the reduction in prices amounts to 6d per cwt, and the market closes with a dull aspect. REFINED.—To-day there was no variation in the value of Refined Sugar, but home dealers made put ehasea with greater freedom, and an impression exists that prices have arrived at their lowest point, at least fur the present. MAURITIUS.—This afternoon the public sales of Mau ritius Sugar went off flatly, and at rather lower rates, but the chief part of 18 trcs 5,411 bags found buyers. Very fine yellow went at 435 6d, fine 39s 6d to 40s 6d, other sorts 35s 6d to 395, very low brown 23s to 29s 6d, better sort 30s to 335, and good and fine 34s to 35s 6d per cwt. EAST INDIA.—This afternoon the public sales of Bengal Sugar consisted of 2,907 bags, and the chief part sold; white Bemires. went at full terms, but for other sorts prices wer e barely supported: the rates obtsined fa. white Benares were 39s to 41s 6d. soft yellow 34s 6(1 to 38s 6d, like Mauritius 35s to 395. Of Penang 1,6641 bags 14 ere sold at rather lower terms; brown went at from 29s to 33s 6d, yellow 345 to 38s 61, and superior 39s to 40s 6d. Of Madras 1,000 bags were taken in; soft yellow at 32s to 33s 6d, and low brown ditto at 29s 6d per cwt. 'MoLessEs.—The business concluded in West India has been small. sill in the value little variation is appa rent, as the supply is at present limited. For low to fine the value is from 15s to 18s per cwt. Bengal Treacle 14s to 14s 6 , 1. FOREIGN.—On Wednesday at public sale 10,045 bags Manilla were taken in at stiff rates; clayed greyish yellow w 38s to 38s 6d, low brown Muscovado at 32s 6d. Of 848 hhds 198 brls Porto Rico a small ?Ist only sold at the former value ; brown at from 354 to 364 6d, good and fine yellow 39s to 424 6d, low to middling 36s 6d to 38s 6d. Yesterday 2,509 chestt of yellow Havannah were offered, and the sound was taken in at fullt erms, yellow from 40$ to 42s 6d, but washed, of which the chief part consisted, sold at rather lower rates, and went from 37s to 40s 6d. 324 pkgs Bahia were all taken in at stiff rates, from 37s 64 to 43-. 3u7 chests yellow Ilavannah, in bond, sold up ,, n rather lawsr terms, and went at from 18s to 22s ad for low to fine washed; whilst 4,211 bags Manilla were al' withdrawn at 17s 6d to 185. COFFEE.—This atternoon t 1 ere was no public sale of Coffee, but by privsts treaty more disposition was evinced to operate, and prices are firmer. In Native Ceylon a good business was 'concluded, but almost ex clusively on speculation, and prices advanced to 61s to 610 64 per cwt. The public sales of Coffee declared to take place here in the ensuing week are small of both home trade and shipping sorts. Cocoa.—The business concluded in Foreign has been small be private trusty. At public sale 526 bags Bahia were taken in at 355 for good bright red. Of Trini dad tt. • ► apply at market this week has been larger than for some time past. At public sale on Tuesday 520 bags were nearly all taken in at stiff rates ; red at 45s to 48s, and grey at 44s to 45s per cwt. Yesterday ;500 bags were offered, and a small portion only sold at 45s Ito ,46s for good red, ; /hese are about previous rates. TEA.—In ordinary and good common qualities of Congou the sales made have been upon a larger scale this week, and prices are firmer, whilst a good busi ness has been concluded at 10d to lOid per lb. Other sorts have been sold to a fair extent at full terms. mixed blackish leaf and blackish loaf rhalising lld to is 3d, and other sorts Is 4d to Is 10d. Green Tea has been in good demand, and last week's terms are well supported, more especially for low and middling sorts. Twankay continues to be wanted for expor tation, and there are no sellers of ordinary under 8d per lb. A fair business has been concluded in Scented and Pekoe La at fully last week's terms. RicE.—Holders of East India are unwilling to accept lower rates, and continue to supply the market sparingly. The value of low white Ben g al i s 8 s to 8s 6d, middling. 95 to Ss 6d, better sorts 103 to 11s, cargo Bs, and pinkey white Madras 8s to 9s. Only 423 bags • Bengal have been offered at public sale, an d sold at 9s - 6d to 103 for white, and at 7s to 856 d for damaged. In Patna less business has been done, still the rates asked are 12s to 18s, and for broken 10a to 11s, Full rates were asked for Sago. Sago Flour 223 to 22s 6J. Farina 15s to 17s. Tapioca is on the decline ; 17 b oxes Bahia at auction taken in at 4d for middling. Full rates aro asked for Arrowroot. At public sale 100 pkgs were only in part sold, Bermuda fine at 28 2d, St. Vincent middling and good ',9id to 100, ordinary 8d; East India 51d, Bengal sd, Jamaica 8d to is Id, and Antigua at 51 to 6d per lb. Today at public sale 97 casks of EiNarolins. Rice were sold at 20s to 21 s for American ji ' ) I T Ildttliftt), and 100 cases Pearl Sago22s to 23s 6d pit. cwt. .—To-day at public sale 70 bags of Bourbon 10r ere taken in at Bid; 2 cases Mace sold at 23 8d • - -`l9 Od tor good, and 3 cases Nutmegs at 2s 10d to 3s • f for brown. For auction on Thursday 4,000 chests of Cassia Lignia are declared. FRUlT.—Valencia Raisins are firm at 48s. There is a fair inquiry for Denis Raisins, but we believe there are unsold in the importers' hands. There is scarcely anything doing in Muscatells or Figs. SPiarrs.—Operations in Leeward Islands Rum have been limited this week, still holders are not disposed to press sales, and require is 5d to is 6d for proof. The market is quiet for East India, and the value of proof is is 4d to is sd. Supesior Jamaica sorts are wanted for both home trade purposes and shipping, and full terms are :paid, but low and mid kinds have been ope ra'.ed in with caution, yet full terms are insisted upon. The value of fine and superior sorts 33 to 36 per cent over proof is 3s 2d to 4s 2d, and other descrip tions 28 to 32 per cent 2s 6d to 31. For strong Demerara holders insist upon 2s 4d to 3s 6d, still not much demand has been experienced this week. In the xalue of Brandy little apparent variation is apparent this week, but not much business has been done. Full terms are insisted upon for Geneva, and in the value of British made spirits there is no variation. COCHINEAL—To-day the dullness in the market for Cochineal further increased; of the parcels offered at public sale, amounting to 137 bag*, a small part only sold at barely former rates—Teneriffe at 4s, and Hondu ras silvers at 4s to 4s 3d. atternoon the public sale of 158 serous of Guatemela Indigo went at firm rates, and the whole sold at from 2s 6d to 4s 10d. TALLOW.—This afternoon at public sale 1,242 pkgs South American Tallow were only in part sold at from 329 to 36s 6d, and 900 cks Sydney at 33s to 37s per cwt. OILS.—The home and export demand has been brisk for Linseed Oil this week, and prices have advanced to 32s 3d to 32s 6d per cwt. on the spot, and on the part of Crushers firmness is apparent. For delivery many sales have been made at from 32s 6d to 33a. Palm is offered at a further reduction, and few buyers are to be met with, the value is from 31s to 31s 6d. The market for Rape Seed Oil has a dull aspect, and lower terms are acceded to, brown selling at 40s, pale 41s. Foreign 43s to 445. Cocoa Nut Oil met with little attention, and is offered at from 333 to 355. For Olive the demand is not so active, still prices are firm, and rule at from 481 to 51/ per tun. Purchases to a fair extent have been made in Cod at 301 lOs to 31/, and there are not free sellers. For Seal the market is quiet, and prices are inclined to give way— pale is to be obtained at 381 to 38/ lOs, straw and tinged 34/ to 37/, yellow and brown 31/ to 33/. There has been rather more demand for Southern at from 321 to 331 10s. Sperm met with little attention, but fine Colonial is not to be purchased under 82/. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. (THIS EVENING.) HOUSE OF LORDS. The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Woo: sack at Five o'clock. Lord BROUGHAM presented a petition from the solicitor to the Fishmongers' Company, praying that their Lordships would permit the officers of the House to give evidence at a trial about to take place in the Court of Common Pleas. On the motion of the NOBLE and LEARNED LORD, the prayer of the petition was granted. The NO➢LE and LEARNED LORD also presented a petition from the Kirk Session of Lanarkshire against Post-office work on a Sunday.: The Marquis of DEVONSHIRE presented a petition from some place in the county of Down against the national system of education in Ireland. THE SUN, LONDON, BANKRUPTCY CONSOLIDATION BILL. Lord BROUGHAM postponed the second reading of this Bill, and explained; that it was owing to the altera tions introduced by the Commons into the Bill of last year that the failure of justice at the Central Criminal Court had recently taken place.. CRIMINAL LAW CONSOLIDATION BILL. The NOBLE and LEARNED LORD also postponed the second reading of this Bill. IMPROVEMENT OF ACTS OF PARLIAMENT BILL. The NonLI and LEARNED lonD then gave notice that he should move the second reading of the Improvement of Acts of Parliament Bill on Monday. THE BARQUE INDIAN. The Earl of MOUNTCASHEL asked if the Govern ment had received any information of the cruelties alleged to have been committed on the female emigrants on board the barque, Indian, during her voyage to Adelaide. Earl GREY said that no official communication had been received by the Government on the subject, but it appeared from the usual organs of public intel ligence, that it had been alleged that most disgraceful scenes had taken place, and that the colonial authorities had instituted an investigation, and the Noble Earl might rest assured that that investigation would be pursued with rigour, and that if parties had been guilty of any outrages they would be punished with the utmost rigour of the law. He admitted that cases of abuse bad occasionally occurred on board emigrant ships carrying out females, but in ge neral the conduct of the officers of those ships had been exemplary. In every case in which abuse had occurred, when it had come to the knowledge of the Government, the Emigration Commissioners had been instructed to enforce the exaction of penalties against the owners of those ships, and to prosecute the delinquents. He could assure their Lordships that no efforts were spared to guard against the occurrence of abuses on board female emigrant ships. EDUCATION-MANAGING CLAUSES. Lord STANLEY asked if the adoption of the manag ing clauses proposed by the Privy Council si the condi tion of receiving aid from the State was applicable to existing schools, or only to schools hereafter to be erected? If only to schools hereafter to be erected, th ,, extent of the injustice complained of by the Church would be greatly diminished. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said that there was no rule adopted which debarred the Committee of tha Privy Council from considering fairly any application which might be made to the few ezisting schools for an annual allowance. ENCUMBERED ESTATES (IRELAND) BILL. The Earl of GLENGALL moved for a return from the Commissioners of the Court of Incumbered Estates, Ireland, stating the number of petitions lodged in their court to this date; the names of each matter, the rent of the property in each ease proposed to be sold, and the gross amount of incumbrances stated to be chargeable thereon. Property to the value of nearly two millions lvid been already brought under the jurisdiction of the Encumbered Estates Court, which had been described as a court neither of equity or law, and those estates bad been ordered to be sold, and would be sold, it was said, if the court could obtain seven years' purchase for them. This was a course of proceeding which would be entirely ruinous to the owners of these encumbered estates.—(Hear, hear, from the Earl of Monntcashel.) It was clear that such a course must be most unjust, and he he hoped the Government would not permit those sales to go on. He not rnss the subject at present; but perhaps next week the Noble Marquis would give him some information on the subject. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE believed that the Commissioners had taken the greatest possible precau tions to prevent an improper sacrifice of property. He had no abjection to grant the returns if the Noble Earl would consent to a verbal alteration in his motion. The Earl of GLENGALL thought that Government was bound to take every possible precaution to protect the property of the gentlemen of Ireland. The Marquis of LANSDOVVIN.IE assured the Noble Earl that there was no desire whatever to depreciate the value of landed property in Ireland. Lord BEAUMONT feared that the motion of the Noble Earl would produce the evil which he deprecated, beeause the publication of these returns would encourage the opinion that an enormous quantity of land was at once to be thrown upon the market, and this would keep down buildings. He could never sup ose that the Court would ever throw into the market more land than would create proper competi tion. If they were to do 30 some steps ought to be taken to prevent them from proceeding in a course unjust alike to the landlord and his creditor. He firmly believed that the value of land would very soon be raised to nearly its former amount in Ireland as well as in England, and he did not doubt but that the Court would defer sales to that period. Lord CAMPBELL hoped the observations of his Noble Friend would go forth to the world, and he did not doubt but that they could raise the price of mortgaged land in Ireland to a high rate. He believed the Commissioners had exercised their discre tion in a manner not only creditable to themselves, but advant.geous to to the owners of encumbered estates, and to their mortgagees. After a few words from the Earl of GLENGALL and the Marquis of LANSDOWNE, the motion was agreed to, and their Lordships adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS. The SPEAKER took the Chair a few minutes before Four o'clock. EDINBURGH AND ABERDEEN RAILWAY. Mr. COWAN presented a petition from the Edin burgh and Aberdeen Railway Company, praying that the period for the second reading of the Bill may be ex tended. SUNDAY LABOUR IN THE POST-OFFICE. Mr. MACDONALD presented a petition from Belli nasloe praying for the cessation of Sunday labour in the Post-office. Several other similar petitions from places in Scotland were presented. ATTORNEYS' CERTIFICATES. Mr. BENItY presented a petition from attorneys' in Bury, praying for a repeal of the duty on attorneys' certificates. AGRICULTURAL PROTECTION. Mr. CUMMING BRUCE presented a petition from Ross in favour of agricultural protection. PRIVATE BILLS.—SECOND READINGS. The ;ollowing private Bills were read a second time, and ordered to be committed: — Dundee and Perth and Aberdeen Railway Junction. Liverpool, Crosby, and Southport Railway (Deviations, Enlargement of Station, &,c,) Liverpool Docks. Newcastle upon Tyne Improvement, Amendment of Acts, and New Streets. York and North Midland Railway. MARRIAGE WITH A DECEASED WIFE'S SISTER. Sir R. INGLIS presented a petition from Kelso against the Bill for legalizing marriage with a deceased wife's sister ; also petitions from places in Surrey, Whit burn, in the county of Durham, and Middlesex, praying for the cessation of labour on Sundays in the Post-office. KIDDERMINSTER ELECTION. A petition was presented from Kidderminster, com plaining of the return to the writ for the Last election for Kidderminster. COUNTY FINANCIAL BOARDS. Mr. BROWN presented a petition from Ormskirk praying for the establishment of county financial boards. 'MINISTERS' MONEY IN IRELAND. Mr. MONSELL presented a petition from Limerick complaining of the impost called ministers' money. MALT DUTY. Mr. SOTIIERON presented a petition from Middle sex praying for the repeal of the malt duty. RETURNS FROM THE BOARD OF TRADE. Mr. DISRAELI rose to ask a question of the Presi dent of the Board of Trade of which he had yesterday given notice. It related to the returns of the department over which he presided, and he wished for some explana tion of the reason of the delay of the publication of the monthly returns. At the present moment, in the middle of the month of February, the returns for the month of December were not yet published. There was also another point which, if the Right Hon. Gentleman had been in his place yesterday, he should have asked him, and that was why the delay bad taken place in the cir culation of the summary, as it was cal!ed. There was also another point on which be wished for some satis factory explanations. He spoke of the digested re turns of the Board of Trade, which were called tables relating to the revenue and commerce of the country. The returns which had been presented to the House re specting the trade and commerce cf the country only went up to the year 1847, and he wished to know whether the Government could adopt any means by which returns of such great importance could be brought up to a more recent period. Returns of the number of spirit-shops in Dublin, c f the number of temperance coffee-shops in London, and a series of returns of the number of brothels in Bristol, Manchester, and other cities bad been given, and he wished to know whether the Government thought these of more importance than the returns he had mentioned. Mr. LABOUCHERE said the Hon. Member was under a misapprehension in supposing that these re turns had been presented at a later period than usual. Ever since 1835 they had, with only one exception, been laid on the table of the House on the 10th February. The presentation of the returns, besides, did not depend entirely upon the Board of Trade, because they had to wait until the different departments sent in the neces sary information to make them up. To prove that there was no unnecessary delay at the Board of Trade, he might mention that it was only yesterday (the 14th) that the Excise returns, which were comprised in the paper he had just laid on the table, were received at the Board of Trade. The Hon. Gentleman proceeded to ask him why the digest account of the Board of Trade only came down to the end of the year 1847. It was quite true that it only came down to the end of 1847, but this] information which had now been presented to the House of Commons for a great many years before the statistical department of the Board of Trade was in in existence, bad always been one year more in arrear than it was now.—(Hear, hear.) The statistical department of the Board of Trade, therefore, had suc ceeded in abridging the period at which this return was forthcoming by one year. The Hon. Gentleman was pro bably aware that this return was divided into two parts, being comprised under the heads of section A and section B. The latter had already beendelivered; the other, which related to the trade and finance of the country, would be ready in a short time, perhaps it would be on the table of the House in a fortnight, and it would bring that por tion of the account down to the loud of the year 1848. The Customs and every other department of the country had always evinced an anxious desire to furnish these important statistics to the House at the earliest possible moment, and the Honour able Gentleman and the House might rely upon the Board of Trade delivering them in immediately after they had had an opportunity of testing their correctness. CONTRACTS OF SUPPLIES FOR THE COLONIES. Mr. SCOTT wished to inquire of the Under-Secretary of the Treasury whether any contracts had been entered into by the Go►ernment for the supply of the colonies, and whether any dispatches, had been received with re spect to such contracts ? Mr. HAYTER said that no such contracts had been entered into, and that no dispatches had been received, but that as soon as they came to hand, if such dispatches were received, they should be laid upon the table. LAW OF LANDLORD AND TENANT. In reply to a question from Mr. CLEMENTS, it was stated that a Bill was in preparation for the amendment cf the laws regulating the property between landlord and tenant. COST OF EMIGRANTS TO NEW SOUTH FRIDAY EVENING, FEBRUARY 15, WO 18th Foot—Captain William llanme ,. , from the 44th Foot, to be Captain, vice Ashton, who exchanges. Feb. 15. 23rd Foot—Corbett Holland, Gent., to be Second Lieutenant, by purchase, ♦ice Hughes promoted, Feb. 15. 24th Foot—Assistant-Surgeon James Lewis Hollo way, from the Staff, to be Assistant-Surgeon, vice Fur loege, deceased, Feb. 15. 28th Foot—Joseph Gubbins, Gent., to bo Ensign, by purchase. vice Bourne, promoted, Feb. 15. 29th Foot—Ensign George Henry Nevill to be Lieu tenant, without purchase, vice Smith, daceased, Nov. 30, 1849; Ensign Henry William Somerville Carew, from the 14th Foot, to be Ensign, vice Neville, Feb. 15. 34th Foot—Lieutentant Charles Wilson Randolph to be Captain, by purchase, vice Packe, who retires, Feb. 15. Ensign Henry Dalton Probyn to be Lieutenant, by purchase, vice Randolph ; James Anthony Gardner, Gent., to be Ensign, by purchase, vice Puget, promoted, Feb. 15. George Percy Barnard, Gent., to be Ensign, by pur chase, vice Campbell, promoted, Feb. 16. John O'lleg, Gent., to be Ensign, by purchase, vice Weathead, pro moted, Feb. 17. :35th Foot—Gentleman Cadet Randolph Ralph Ad derley, from the Royal Military College, to be Ensign, by purchase, vice Warren, promoted, Feb. 15. 39th Foot—Ensign Thomas Carpendale Baird, from 67th Foot, to be Ensign; Charles Cunningham Boycott, Gent., to be Ensign, by pucAsse, vice Harrison, who re tires, Feb. 15. 42d Foot—Major Charles Dunsmure to be Lieutenant- Colonel, by purchase. vice Macdougall, who retires ; Captain George Burrell Cumberland to be Major, by purchase, vice Dunsmure, Feb. 15. Lieutenant Augustus Paterson to be Captain, by pur chase, vice Cumberland; Ensign James William Bal four to be Lieutenant, by purchase, vice Paterson, Feb. 15. 44th Foot—Captain Thomas Henry Ashton, from the 18th Foot, to be Captain, vice Hanmer, who exchanges, Feb. 15. 46th Foot—Assistant-Surgeon Edward James Frank lyn, from the Staff, to be Assistant-Surgeon, vice Wool house, who resigns, Feb. 15. 41th Foot—Henry Richmond Hoghton Gale, Gent, to be Ensign, by purchase. vice Colthurst, promoted, Feb. 15. 56th Foot—James Paton, Gent., to be Ensign, by purchase, vice Walter Bourke, whose appointment has been cancelled, Feb. 15. 631 Foot—Paulyn Reginald Serlo: Marquis of Hast ings, to be Ensign, by purchase, Tic° Carey, promotod, Feb. 15. 64th Foot—Alfred John Tuk9, Gent., to be Ensign, by purchase, vice Moultrie, promoted, Feb. 15. 67th Foot—Thomas Carpendale Baird, gent. to be Ensign, by purchase, vice Hunt, promoted, Fab. 15. 73d Foot—Francis Freeman White, gent. to be Ensign, by purchase, vice M'Creery, who retires, Feb. 15. 74th Foot—Quartermaster Fergusson Dunbar to be Paymaster, vice Thomas Eyre Lambert, who reverts to his former half-pay as a Lieutenant, Feb. 15. Quartermaster Charles Daine3, from half-pay 26th Foot, to be Quartermaster, vice Dunbar, appointed Pay master, Feb. 15. 1178th Foot—Major Walter Hamilton to be Lieutenant- Colonel, without purchase, ♦ice Douglas, deceased ; Brevet-Major Thomas John Taylor to be Major, vice Hamilton, Oct. 2. • Lieutenant Thomas Molyneux Keogh to b© Captain, vice Taylor, Dec. 31. Ensign Horatio Gillmore to be Lieutenant, vice Keogh, Dec. 31. Ensign Andrew Cathcart Bogle, from the I'2d Foot, to be Ensign, vice Gillmore, Feb. 15. 84th Foot—Ensign and Adjutant Jamos Pope, from the 44th Foot, to be Ensign, vice Young, appointed to the 22d Foot, Feb. 15. 91st Foot—John Bruce, Gent., to be Ensign, by pur chase, vice Rae, promoted, Feb. 15. Rifle Brigade—Charles Cholmeley Hale, Gent., to be Second Lieutenant, by purchase, vice Drummond, pro moted, Feb. 15. Ist West India Regiment—Ensign Alexander Bravo to be Lieutenant, by purchase, vice Tittie, who retires; William Arnold Arnold Wallinger, Gent., to bo Ensign, by purchase, vice Godden, promoted, Feb. 15; William Mansel Tayler, Gent., to be Ensign by purchase, vice Bravo, Feb. 16. BREVET.—Captain Stephen John Hill, of the 2d West India Regiment, to be Major in the Army, Feb. 15. UNATTAcriED.—Lieutenant Humphrey Gray, from the 39th Foot, to be Captain, without purchase, Feb. 15. HosPITAL STAFF.—Acting Assistant-Surgeon Horatio George Martelli, to be Assistant-Surgeon to the Forces, vice Holloway, appointed to the 24th Foot, Feb. 15. MEMORANDUM.—Surgeon George Roche Smith, of the 2d Foot, has been placed at the bottom of the list of Surgeons i❑ the Army, on the I2th December, 1849; the date of his commission is therefore altered to 12th December, 1849. The commission of Captain H. W. Hartley Graham, of the 3d West India Regiment, has been ante-dated to 2d November 1849. WHITEHALL, FEB. 9. The Lord Chancellor has appointed John Barley Hol royde, of Halifax, in the county of York, Gent., to be a Master Extraordinary in the High Court of Ch ancer y. _ _ WHITEHALL, — FEn. 12. The Lord Chancellor has appointed Francis Brown, of Market Deeping, in the county of Lincoln, Gent., to be a Master Extracrdinary in the High Court of Chancery. WALES. Mr. SCOTT wished to know whether the Right lion. Baronet the Secretary at the head of the Home Depart ment had received any returns respecting the cost of an emigrant ship, amounting to 3501., which it was de sired to draw from the funds of New South Wales, and to the expenditure of which the colony objected. Sir G. GREY said that no such returns had been re ceived, but that he expected them in a few days. The colonial funds would not be applied to the •migration of any Terson convicted of crime. CORONERS' INQUESTS IN IRELAND. Mr. P. SCROPE rose to put a question to the Secre tary for Ireland, respecting the 590 coroners' inquests held last year in Ireland, according to the report of the Poor-law Commissioners, in which verdicts of death from ant were recorded. He had to ask whether the Poor law Commissioners had made inquiry into those 590 cases, and whether they had in any one of those cases of death from want found that one single death had been occasioned by such an amount of neglect on the part of the relieving officers as to warrant them (the Poor-law Commissioners) in instituting criminal prosecutions against those parties. Sir W. SOMERVILLE said that certainly it was without doubt that many persons had died in Ireland on whom the verdict of died of want had been passed. Ho believed it was not the practice generally to hold in quests over persons who died in workhouses. Mr. HENLEY wished to ask the Attorney-General a question with regard to the Bill which he had asked the Hon. and Learned Gentleman to postpone in the early part of this week. The Bill would necessarily take some time in discussing, and he wished to ask the Hon. and Learned Gentleman if he would undertake not to go on with the Bill to night if it did not come on until late? The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that b• certainly would:not go on with the Bill if it did not come on be fore twelve o'clock. DANISH WAIL—RENEWAL OF BLOCKADE. Mr. SANDARS said that, as the Noble Lord the Secretary for Foreign Affairs was not in his place, he should put the question to the Noble Lord on Monday night; or, if he were not then present, to any Minister who might happen to be there. Mr. DISRAELI said the question of which Mr. San ders had given notice was as follows:—" To ask the Noble Lord the Secretary for Forei g n Affairs, if it b e true that the Danish Government has refused to renew the armistice of the 10th of July last; and, if so, whether the Noble Lord considers as a natural consequence the renewal of the blockade of the Prussian ports of the Baltic and the Elbe." Now he (Mr. Disraeli) would ask the Noble Lord the First Minister whether it was the Danish Government that had refused to renew the armistice? Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that the Danish Go vernment had not refused. ECCLESIASTIC AL COMMISSION. Mr. 110RSN1 AN said that, instead of the motion of which he had given notice, he should move tor the pro duction of the proceedings of the Ecclesiastical Commis sion relative to the matter of the secretaries. DISTRESSED UNIONS-ADVANCES AND RE PAYMENT OF ADVANCES (IRELAND). The House then went into Committee, and Lord JOHN RUSSELL rose to propose certain resolutions respecting advances and the repayment of advances to distressed unions in Ireland, and in doing so said, he would endeavour to spare the Committee the necessity of going into any , details on the subject, and confine himself to a state ment of general views concerning the state of Ireland, and the grounds on which the Government thought it right to propose the resolutions he was about to submit. For many years the condition of Ire land had been lamentable in many respects, but no remedy of the Legislature could be made applicable to the evils which existed. A great number of the la bouring classes in that country were in the receipt of no wages, and depending for their livelihood upon the cultivation of small plots of ground ; at some seasons of the year they suffered great distress. which had produced much crime. Whilst entering into the policy which of late years had been adopted, he would state that the failure of the potato crop and the consequent famine which had taken place, had produced evils with which the Legislature had as yet been unable to deal. An immense alteration had taken place in the state of the country, and on one hand it was no doubt gratifying to find that we no longer have, to any considerable ex tent, those outrages and murders which were formerly so prevalent, while, on the other hand there had:been the greatest disposiion upon the part of all persons of property, whether landlords or tenants, to preserve the lives of the great mass of the people under the pressure of an awful calamity. This change had taken place through no influence of the Legislature, but the interpo sition of the Legislature may assist the country in its present transition state. But in doing so the Legislature must always be guarded against two great dangers—one was not to impose too great burdens upon the property of Ireland, or the people might be discouraged from cultivating the soil, and the other not to assist with too much liberality the poor labourers who had been deprived of their labour by the failure of the potato. Having said thus much, he would now proceed to state what he thought was a fair encouragement to hope for the future, lie had before him the reports of a number of officers engaged under the Board of Works in the different counties in Ireland, some including the distressed counties, and, with the exception of the county of Clare, they generally bear testimony to an increased desire on the part cfLthe people to cultivate the land. With respect to two of these counties which they had heard of as being most distressed, the reports state that although there was much land untenanted, yet there wo u ld not b e any great difficulty in procuring tenants at a reduction of 25 per cent. on the previous rents. He had also reports with regard to the fisheriel, and they all gave very satisfactory accounts of the visible improvements in the country. Now, he held in his hand a return of th© ex penses incurred during the three last mouths of last year including the months of October, November, December, and January. During October the decrease of 48,0 00 Z, during N ove mber 40,000/., during December 40,0001., and in January 7,0001; making a total of about 188,000/. The return with respect to the relief given to persons out of doors was much the same, the whole numbers showing that the reduction of these persons was in the whole as many as 405,341 during the same period of four months.—(Hear, hear.) This was owing to various causes, for it appeared from the several reports of the secretaries of the different poor-kw uuiona that this decrease had arisen partly from a better under standing of the principle of the poor-law, partly from a desire to decrease expenses, partly from a desire to carry the law into effect, and an acquired discrimina tion in the discovery of imposture.—(Hear, hear,) The indoor relief had been rather increased. In De cember, 1848, it amounted to 14,9021.; and in 1849 it was 18.2061., being an increase of 3,2941.; but thorn was a decrease in the outdoor relief in the month of De cember, amounting to 2,8671. The total indoor and out door relief had been respectively 297,918/. and 147,3971. That, certainly, so far was satisfactory, as it showed there was an improvement even in those districts which were considered the first. Now, in proceeding to consider this question, he should now state that cf the opinions which had been given by various persons of Ireland from whom they had received report, there was none that was more prevalent than the state ment, that the burdens arising from the expenditure on the lean of former years, now imposed such latavy cost on many unions in Ireland, that although they might be able to bear the burden that arose from the relit fof the poor, they were not able to sustain at the same time the repay ment of the loan. He would now state what had been the loans which had been made of late years to the unions in Ireland. Beginning with 1839, the sum of 1,225,0001. was raised for building workhouses in Ireland, 47,000/. being allowed to be deducted from it for mismanagement in construction of the workhouses. The next public debt was for labour, in the spring of 1846. The sum of 476,000/. had been advanced, of which 238,0001. was re mitted, and the other half spread over 20 half-yearly instalments. Shortly :after 4,850,0001. was advanced of which one half was afterwards spread over 20 half ) early instalments in a similar manner. A sum was ad vanced for temporary relief, of which only 953,000/. was required to be paid; the remainder had been remitted. In the August of last year an additional sum was authorised to be advanced, of 60,0001. The sums which were at the present time due from Ireland were—first, 1,131,0001., an ad ditional sum of 100,000/.—a sum advanced for work houses IbB,oool.—a aura advanced the 9th of Victoria 2,305,0001.—the sum advanced for temporary re lief upwards of 700,000/, amounting inallto 4,483,0001. There was a proposal made which had been sanctioned by an Act of Parliament, to enable the Irish counties to extend the time of payment over 20 years, upon applica tion; and there was also a provision to shorten the time. Six counties had applied to have the time ex tended, and two to have it shortened. The state of the counties in Ireland was very varied. While some loans bore interest, there were others on which no interest was required, and he proposed that the same arrangement r.bould be continued—that the loans which were liable to interest should continue to pay it, and that those which were not should be exempted from the payment of any. There were other heavy charges upon some unions, which prevented them making exertions to provide the necessary workhouse accommodatioa for the poor, and to give relief to the destitute. lie alluded to the contracts which had been made during the period of famine, for the supply of goods and clothing to the work houses. The unions had refused to pay the contractors owing their impoverished condition, and the consequence was that in several workhouses the effects had been seized upon, and the guardians were obliged to pay 61. per cent. upon the sum due in order to prevent the effects being disposed of. Now it appeared that these difficulties were mainly owing to the famine, and if they could be relieved from them, they would be able to begin afresh, and thereby carry into effect the due administration of the poor-laws. Such is the opinion of the Poor-law Commis sioners, more especially of Mr. Power, who is now in this country, who had repeated his opinion that a little assistance would enable several unions to build temporary workhouses, and by the ap plication of the workhouse test greatly to diminish the expenditure. Such being the case, Government thought it advisable to propose that there should be added to the sum already advanced an amount which well(' make the total advances amount to the sum of 4,483,0001. for the purpose of assisting the unions and enabling them to discharge their liabili ties, and which should be repayable by instalments in forty years. According to the accounts they had re ceived the general debts of the Poor-law Unions in Ireland were diminished between September and De cember by no less a sum than 100,0001., but the distressed unions, which were about thirty, had been unable to effect any reduction in their liabilities. At the end of December last the debts, besides those due to the elec toral divisions, amounted to 270,0001. ; and the Poor law Commissioners were of opinion that, if these debts could be discharged, not only would they be able to carry on the due administration of the unions, but in some cases it would enable the Poor-law Commissioners to make the divisions in accosdance with the report of the Boundary Commissioners which otherwise they might not be able to do.— (Hear, hear.) Now, it was deemed advisable that the unions should be divided into electoral districts. Some of these districts had been already arranged. Eight were in course of formation, and nine had already been formed. In these districts it had been ascertained that the law and wis e ly carr i e d into effect. He would had been fully now state to the House what had been the result of the formation of these electoral districts upon the popula tion.—[Sir George Grey here remined his Lordship of the redaction of the debt of the unions.] Yes; the debt of the several unions he hsd Ito state was about 270,000/, which had by subsequent outlay been in creased to 370,0001. The whole amount of the debt of the several unions was 4,783,000/. The amount actually required to be liquidated was about 250,0001., of which sum about 150,000/. had been de frayed, and beyond which about 50,000/. more was already prepared for payment, being, he believed, now in the hands of the several guardians. Much of the business which had been transacted in these unions had been concluded under the authority of several of the Acts of Parliament by which the affairs of the Irish unions bad been of late conducted.—(Hear.) But he must now say what was their opinion of the workhouse test upon the population at large.—(Hear, hear.) On the Ist of January last it appeared that in England and Wales there was about 1 in 15 receiving relief from the poor-rates, whereas in Ireland, in the month of December, there wars only 1 in 27 receiving poor relief. lie therefore fiought they should not be acting im prudently, but wisely, it they enabled the poor law unions in Ireland to provide themselves still further with workhouses. Now, therefore, the proposal he had to make was, in the first place that the general sums which had been advan ce d to Ireland, beginning with the workhouse loans in 1839, and going on to the advances made in 1846 and 1847 and subsequent years should, when it was desired and where the pressure on the poor• law unions appeared to be mani festly great, be converted into consolidated an nuities, and be payable wi t h i nterest where interest was due. Tho next prop osa l was, that the sum of 300,000/. should be ad vanced for the purpose of enabling Boards o f Guardians, under the the direction of the Poor-law Commissioners, to pay off the debts incurred for food and clothing, during the periods of di stress. (Hear, hear.) th rr oa n de el 00 onwogka laboured, n at b o o u rprospecte thatdand to state of Ireland enter of sleciinegty which ab l e t o recover from that very great depression under which she upon a new social career. It was evident,if the were existed in Ireland from 1768 to 1845, they would be only looking to the recurrence of misery and blood shed, the people being uteerly destitute of those means of comfort to which the civilised nations of Europe were accustomed. There had not been those sums expended in farm buildings and in improvements which the landed gen try in England and Scotland are accustomed to make by agreement with their tenants. There had not been that regularity in the payment of the farm labourers which ought to be the source of maintenance to them. Everything there had been dirorder and diorga nization. Hence arose those crimes and disorganiza tion which seemed beyond the p ower of leg i slat i on. to amend. Those things were not f or t h em to d i spose of, but he (the Noble Lord) hoped t h at I re l and was might be constituted in a p ap ea pb s re a ot n ate t c r rh t i ', llgto would mannert: unite to make her a happy and con tented country. Mr. MUNSELL represented one of the most dis tressed counties in Ireland, and he felt bound to tender to her Majesty's Government his best thanks for the course they had adopted. He differed from the Honourable Member for Rosscommon, in thinking that this measure was not a liberal one, he thought it was greatly so. and that the best thanks of the people of Ireland were due to the Government for bringing it forward. The Earl of ARUNDEL and. S URREY adverted t o the conduct of th e Kilrush Union, and e xpressed an opinion favourable t o the proposition of the Noble Lord at the head of the Government. Colonel SIBTHORP could not support the resolutions, and would take every opportunity io oppose them. Mr. P. SCROPE rose, and was (LEFT SPEAKING.) THE LONDON GAZETTE. (THIS EVENING.) WAR-OFFICE, FEB. 15, 1950. g t h s t o Dragooncke , Gent., Guards — George be Cnet, 4th Regim en t o f D rago on Guards—Robert J o h n Henry, Gent., to b e C orne t, by purchase, vice W e bb , promoted,. Feb. 15 ; G e orge Campbell Henville Play er Bro Cornet, John Bridge, Gent., to by purchase, vice Walli s , who retires, F e b. 16. 5 be Cornet, b y purchase, vice Sidebottom, promoted, Feb. 15. on 9th Charles Feb.ja James 15. s Cornet, 9t by purchase hLightDrago , ons—John Brinkley , Gent, to bo 10th Light Drao v o i n ce sfl i ' l h k e in li n o ' Keitb, to b e Cornet by purchase, vice William,, pro :noted, Gent. oted, Feb. 15. Ist Regime n t o f F oo t—H enr y John Scroopp to be Ensign, by purchase, vice Minchin, appointed to the 70th Foot, Feb. 15. William Bellew, Gent., to: be Ensign, by purchase, vice Munro, appointed to the 53d Foot, Feb. 16. 4th Foot—Ensign Jarnez Paton, from the 56th Foot, to be Ensign, vice Maunsell, promoted, Feb. 15. 14th Foot—Brevet Major Thomas Holmes Tidy, to be Major, without purchase, vice Newman, who retires upon full [ay, Feb, 15. Lieutenant John Peter Hall to be Captain, vice Tidy; Ensign William llaubury Hawley to be Lieutenant, vice llall, Feb. 15. 15th Foot—Richard Manders, Gent. to be Ensign, by purchase, vice T o dd, promoted, to be Ensign, by pur chase, 15. Robert Wynn e Price, Gent., chase, vice Walrusley, promoted, Feb. 16. 17th Foot—Arthur Cotton Young, Gent., to be En sign, by purchase, vice Crutchley, appointed to 24th Foot, Feb. 15. Itiehard Edmund Williams, Gent., to be Ensign, by purchase, vice Brice, promoted. Feb. 16. BANKUPTS. John Worseldine, upholsterer, Cambridge, to sur render, February 27, and March 26, at twelve, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Stansfeld, official assignee; Smith and Johnson, Lincoln's-inn-fields. Thomas Sadler and William Edmund Sadler, sail makers, Brightlingsee, Essex, Feb. 22, at two, and April 5, at one, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Whitmore, offi cial assignee, Basinghall-street; Bull, Ely-place, Holborn; Abell, Colchester. Richard Noble and George May, fancy cloth manufac turers, Almondbury, York, to surrender, on the sth of March and Bth of April at the Court of Bankruptcy, Leeds—at 11. Official Assignee, Henry Philip Hope, Leeds; Floyd, Huddersfield, or Bond and Barwick, Leeds. John Price, cabinet maker, Birmingham , _ Feb. 26 and March 26. at twelve, at the Birmingham District Court Valpy, official assignee, Birmingham; Chesshire, Bir mingham. Hugh Parry, druggist, Abergelo, Denbighshire' March 1 and 22, at eleven, at the Liverpool District Court. Bird, official assignee, Liverpool; Dodd, Liver pool. David Blackburn, Thomas Pickles, David Crabtree, and William Blackburn, cotton-spinners, Halfax, York shire, March 5 and April 9, at twelve, at the Leeds District Court. Hope, official assignee, Leeds; Hobson, Halifax; Cariss and Cudworth, Leeds. Frederick Johnson, watchmaker, Lincoln, Feb. 27 and March 27, at half- past twelve, at the Leeds District Court. Carrick, official assignee, Hull; Andrews, Lin coln. Abraham Desforges Wiley Desforges, brickmaker, Alford, Lincolnshire, March 6 and April 3, at half-past twelve, at the Leeds District Court. Carrick, official assignee, Hull; Portington, Alford; Bunney and Wit soy, Hull. James Stephenson, draper, Arbour-terrace, Commer cial-road, Feb. 26, at halt-past eleven, and March 28, at two, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Bell, official assignee, Coleman street-buildings; Reed, Langford, and Mars den, Friday-street, Cheapsids; Sale, Worthington, and Co., Manchester. Thomas Skelton Heightholm, painter, Scarborough, March 5 and 26, at one, at the Leeds District Court Hope, officio! assignee, Leeds; Robinson and Greene, Leeds. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, Feb. 14. ABUSES ON BOARD EMIGRANT SHIPS. The Earl of MOUNTCASHEL gave notice that to morrow he would put a question to the Government re lative to the statements which had appeared in the morn ing papers as to certain gross abuses alleged to have occurred on board the barque Indian, an emigrant ship, on her voyage to South Australis. DOLLY'S BRAE. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY also wished to pat a question to the Noble Lord on the subject cf the motion of which he had given no tice respecting the Dolly's Brae affair. No dis cussion in the House would be productive of good, it would only be calculated to keep up a feeling of bitter hostility in Ireland, more especially when brought forward by a great party leader in that House. If the Noble Lord had any practical object in view, such as moving a vote of censure on the Govern ment, it might be feasible to bring it forward. but if he had no practical object in view, ho (the Marquis of Londonderry) deprecated the discussion of the subject. The thing had gone by, and the proposed discussion could only produce bad feeling, more especially as there had been an agitation set on foot in that country kr the reduction of rent. He thought it would be better that the Noble Lord should withdraw his motion. Lord STANLEY had understood that the Noble Marquis had intended to put a question, but he was at a loss to discover what the question was which the Noble. Marquis intended to put. He should in his speech con fine himself to the consideration of a great constitutional question, without at all alluding to the Noble Marquis, or to his tenants on the subject of rent. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY explained. IRISH POOR-LAW UNION, (Continued fr( m our Third Edition of last night.) Atter some further observations from the Earl of LUCAN, The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said ho had paid considerable attention to what the Noble Earl had said, and bad no objection to the production of the papers he had moved for, but the papers which would elucidate the whole state of the poor-law as it was now administered in Ireland would in a few days be laid before the House, and the Noble Earl would therefore agree with him, that this was not the moment, in the absence of the details, to give consideration to th e subject. He should, therefore,' content himself by saying that ho was far from disagree ing with the Noble Earl in some cf the observations he had made; but he could m t concur with him in what he considered so unusual and exceptional a course as that of administering the law in the manner he had suggested. He would not go the length of saying that the returns would be perfectly satisfactory to their Lordships, but this he would say, that they would be satisfactory as exhibiting throughout Ireland au immense diminution of out-door relief. They were sufficient to enable him to form a conclusion by which it appeared that the expense of administering the poor-law in Ireland, brought down to the month of Ja nuary, had diminished considerably more than one-third —ho believed in the proportion of 170,0004 to 100,0001. That this was the case was very mainly owing, so far as concerned the district with vt hich the Noble Earl was connected, to the great, persevering, and most laudable exertions of the Noble Earl himself. He would now suggest to the Noble Earl that he shouNi alter the terms it his motion so as to include the papers which he pro posed to !sty be fore the House. The motion having been altered accordingly was then put and agreed to. The Marquis cf LANSDOWNE laid upon the table a copy of the Commission to inquire into the state of Smithfield-market, and other papers, by command of her Majesty, and Their Lordships adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS, Feb. 14. MINISTERS' MONEY IN IRELAND. Mr. WILLIAM FAGAN presented a petition nu merously signed from Cork against ministers' money. The 110 N. GENTLEMAN then rose to move for a Com mittee cf the whole House, to take into consideration the law relating to the rate or tax called " ministers' money." in Ireland, with the view to the repeal of so much thereof as relates to the said rate cr tax; and fur ther to take itito consideration the Act 3 and 4 Will. IV., c. 114, called " The Church Temporalities Act," for the purpose of amending the same so as to provide thereby a substitute out of the revenues of the Ecclesi astical Commissioners as a provision for the Protes tant ministers in certain corporate towns in Ire land, in lieu of the annual sums now re ceived by them, under and by virtue of the Act 17 and 18 Charles 11., cap. 7. The Honourable Member stated as a reason for his motion, that the tax called ministers' money pressed with great severity upon the poorer classes of the Roman Catholic popula tion in the large towns of Ireland, particu larly in Dublin, Cork, Clonmel, Kinsale, and Water ford, and led to lamentable and endless sectarian rancour among the Irish people. He thought that the least that the Catholic population of those towns could ask from the Government was, that they should be freed from this odious impost. Last year he had endeavoured to show that a substitute could be easily provided from the funds of the Ecclesiastical Corn mission.On that occasion the Right Hou.Baronet the Home Secretary had moved the previous que,tion, which he took as a proof that he (the Right Hon. Baronet) ac knowledged the justice of his sentiments. Ina private interview which he had had with the Right Hon. Baronet, he had understood him to be favourable to his project; and in addition to this, be argued from the late visit of her Majesty to Ireland that the Government were desir ous of relieving the known grievances of that country. It was in this stage of the question, that he (Mr. Fagan) came forward to provide a substitute for this tax. On the death of the principal bishops the income of the Ecclesiastical Commission in Ireland would be increased by the sum of 13,5001., making a total income of 300,0001., and he submitted that it would be of advantage to the Commission to encourage the purchase of perpetuities, and i❑ other ways to relieve the people of this impost He proposed that the sale of perpetuities should be ap plied as income till the revenue of the Ecclesiastical Corn mision should be increased. He bad prepared a Bill, if the House would allow him to bring it in, to meet the dif ficulty of the case, which measure he thought, with the advance of 30,0001., would obviate every difficulty. There was no such thing as ministers' money in Eng land, and he did not see why the Catholics of Ireland should be burthened with it. He deprecated the neces sity of their coming there year after year to put an end to so miserable a tax of 15,000/. a year, while the Protestant Church were in possession of almost all the best lands of Ireland. The Hon. and Learned Member concluded by moving the resolution of which ho had given notice. _ _ The motion having been seconded, and the question put, Sir G. GREY said that the Hon. Gentleman had brought forward his statement that night in the same spirit of moderation and fairness as that which had marked his speech of last session, and he had nothing whatever to complain of in the manner in which he had argued his motion. He regretted, however, that the circumstances being identically what they were when he brought the question forward before, he was compelled to lake the same course, and to move the previous ques tion. The Hon. Gentleman bad stated that which he admitted was much to bo deplored, that the incomes of some of the clergy in certain towns in Ireland, under the Act of Charles 11., were dependent on the ministers' money, which was regarded as an obnoxious tax by those who had to pay it. It appeared before the Com mittee, the report of which the Hoe. Gentleman had referred to, that the cosdact of those clergymen in fore going their claim rather than incur the odium to their religion and hazard their amicable position with their parishioners had been highly commendable ; lout he thought that when his Honaurable Friend referred to this Committee, he did not distinctly state what the recommendation of that Committee was. The Committee, adverting to similar pro positions for providing a substitute, stated that the ministers' money could not be abolished without a substitute being provided, and without the Honourable Gentleman concurred. The Committee went on to say that having instituted an inquiry into the funds of the Ecclesiastical Commission, they had received every fa cility from Sir Ilenry Meredith, &c., by whom they had been furnished with documents which were appended to the report, and the Committee came to the conclusion, that there were not sufficient funds to be applied as a substitute for ministers' money, but that the income of the Ecclesiastical Commissioners was adequate to the actual expenditure ; and that as a large increase would hereafter take place in the funds of the Eccle siastical Commissioners, in this state of things the Committee thought it right that the augmentation of the funds might bo rendered applicable to ministers' money when that augmentation should arise. They thought that the substitute might apply, and that there was no doubt that this obnoxious import would be abolished. There had been a suggestion, he believ e d, thrown out by some witnesses, that this harge should be thrown on some Government fund, say the Consoli dated Fund.—(A laugh.) Ile thought it desirable that some substitute should be found, but there did not ex.. ist at present any funds available to those purposes ; therefore ho was compelled to move the previous question. The previous question having been put, Mr. M. POWER said this tax was a most obnoxious one, because it tell exclusively on the poorer Roman Catholic artizans, and the money was often obtained by the se mire of their goods, and even their clothes, and the very pots in which they boiled their Indian meal were subject to the rapacity of the emissaries of the clergy. They were told the difficulty of removing this tax was the finding a substitute; but he thought that his Hon. Friend had pointed out clearly what the substitute ou g ht to be. He asked the House, whether it was not a gross mockery that this abuse should be allowed to con tinue, and that the richest church in the world should be unable to provide for the poorer clergy in certain towns who were thrown upon this fund? Let justice be done to Ireland in this and all other cases of real grievance. Mr. HUME—The Right Hon. Baronet had said that this question came before the House under similar cir cumstances to those of last session. Bat he begged to remind the Right Hon. Gentleman that since that time her Majesty had been to Ireland, and had been pleased to declare her desire to remove all grounds of complaint in Ireland. But here was a payment which was un equally assessed in a few, towns, and which fell upon Roman Catholics only. Church cess had been done swa y with in that House, and this tax should be dealt with in the same way. He protested against this im post, more especially as a similar impost was levied in Edinburgh, and in the town which he represented. This ministers' money bore the stamp of oppression upon it. Mr. MONSELL said it was not his object to discuss the question of the Irish Church, but to refute an ob servation of his Right Hon. Friend the Home Secre tary. His Right lion. Friend admitted the grievance complained of and refused to redress it. In many eases of turnpike Bills, or other matters of lesser import ance, that might be a good argument; but where a large number of people were interested, he could not think that was a sufficient answer to that House. He would read to the House an answer given by the Lord Bishop of Limerick. His Right Rev. Friend was, he believed, looked up to by everybody in his diocese, and he, after stating what the grievance was, and after stating the weans by which it ought to be removed, by taking a sufficient sum out of the funds of the Ecclesiastical Commissioners, continued:—" But to this it may be re plied, that for many years they would cut off the means to build new churches. His answer was that it was only the choice of evils, and that of the two courses it was most important to provide for the pro per wants of the clergy?' Then be had the opi nion of the Bishop of Down also, who stated that almost all the payers of the tax were Roman Catholics. And it would be remembered by any one who attended before the Committee, that so unjust was the system of valuation that a poor person whose house was valued at 601 some years since, though it had since fallen to the value of 261., paid the same amount of ministers' money as Messrs. Beamish's property, which was valued to the poor-rate at 2,3001. Another clergyman said that to en force his right must interrupt the harmony which ex isted between himself and his parishioners. That cler gyman observed that he was aware that many clergymen could not make this sacrifice, as in some cases the whole of their income was derived from this source. There fore these clergymen did not agree with the Government as to the removal of so unjust and obnoxious a tax. He concluded by simply saying that if the Government ex pected the people of Ireland to entertain those feelings of affection which he earnestly wished they should, the Government would take the earliest opportunity of re moving an impost which ho believed no other people in the world would bear, and which, while it continued, would create feelings of disaffection. Mr. NAPIER thought that the nature and character of this tax MO much misunderstood. It was not per sonally a tax on Roman Catholic occupiers. It was continued on the settlement of i property in the time of Charles 11., and it was a very different charge from what was generally supposed. Ho admitted there was much inconvenience in the collection of the money. He ad mitted that in many cases the clergy had forbore their rights, rather than hazard any disagreement with their parishioners. But the fact was, that this money was originally put on corporate towns in Ireland at the time when they were exclusively Protestant, and ty an Act of Charles 11. the whole property was remodelled, and the course taken was this:—People who had been dis possessed of property in the towns got property allotted them outside (if the towns, and the corporate towns were inhabited by English settlers. The Crown had then the whole fee of the property, no one had any right in it but Charles II.; and having invited English settlers to these towns, he then provided that there should be a charge on the house for the purpose of supporting certain of the clergy. And so far from those who received this money ever preaching doctrines which were obnoxious, he would appeal to both Roman Catholics and Protestants whether there could be a more diligent, use ful, or benevolent body of men to be found in any Fart of The charge being Qn the owners of )394§00, on wh om else c 'old they put it ? No substitute for ilia ministers' money had ever been proposed b y a nybody , though the question had been discussed year alter yea r. His Honourable Colleague and himself, in Committee, had agreed to ex em pt sma ll tet ements frt , m the imp ost ;ru ,e! as to the remo va l o f th e t ax , th ere haying begin no stitut) named, ho was confident that no ma n with e sense of justi ce wou ld d o t hi s . A Right Rev. Prelate ha d regretted that there should be another Parliamen tar y confederacy on foot against the Church of Ireland, 01' observe i that they who knew tbs effect of the sad tithe war of 1832 should he cautious how they proceedcdfinr such a course. The mini s t ers ' mo ney was provided all in the Church Temporalities Act, when Mr. O'Conn was in the House. He was t remove any ln* convenience in the mod e o f co ll ec ting for sma ll ten t s , merits, but he hop e d th a t t h e H ouse would not flasce t , the views of any Hon. Gentleman who sought to dePr'r these reverend gentl e m en o f th e i r ves ted rights. e ei. Mr. KEOGH said it occurred to him that though the lion. and Learned Gentleman who had just sat dewy, to and those who acted with him, declared their anxiety remove an inconvenience, still there was els% 53 8 so special objection made—this was not the mode in which l.his it ought to be done, or no substitute was supplied r ?, 1 ,„, tax. He thought that everybody must agree thi 3 :; incumbent on the Government, when a grievegriethe admitted, where Protestants as well as Roman , -;_t flo g lies were rii!grieved, to find a substitute. counish-ero rest with an indi pendent Member to do this. 131 . 3 t L ee was something suspicious as to the willingness of l ara gentlemen to remove this odious tax, because he 13 oval the Hon. end Learn e d G ent l eman con f ou nd the r e T ni f • - 4 of the ministers' money with a n anti-tithe war. t o Hon. and Leaned Gentleman w a s anxious to rem the burden, why should he deprecate the agitationo: the subject? This evil was complained of, not by n° ,, W 0 Catholics, but by Prott , stants also. Every dergr; e gale his testimony in f avour o f this remo val of tit g e t : post. The Hon. and Learned G en tl e man said that; re the origin of the tax, the owners of house property "l so all Proiestants. Perhaps he would say they we re 0 now. He did trust th a t th e H ouse wou ld enforc e a P e the Government the necessity of removing this icaP, re Mr. COWAN was gl a d t o h ear th e o bnoxious li e '„ t; of the tax was admitted by h er Majesty's Goveratet-ch and he was much disappoi n t e d, a ft er t h e ex pectations w " l .o had been held out, that so little progress had been 03 e50 in respect to the carryin g ou t thi s ques ti o n. T" 9 ld to ago a commission had b een a pp o i n t e d to Prt'e e ' Edinburgh to inquire into the annuit tax of EdinboArgio A report had been given in about y a year er , ev- d hie Ler had frequently put questions to the 14 0 -- - t i fsc• on the subject, but had never obtained a ' the con tory reply. It that House wished to secure , ;hy' fidence and respect of th e peop l e o f S co tlana , ' • bleb should proceed to inquire into the circumstance' Dot titularly. so grievous to the p eo pl e o f Edinburg" ' l o t titularly. What the remedy s h ou ld b e he Wall a prepared to say. „ r od Colonel RA WDON said the Honour a ble and J- 4 7 r• Gentleman the Member for D u bli n U n i vers ity IS; b o w tied the House to the realms of antiquity to Pr ° , Y , o - paid this tax had originate]. B u t h e b egge d to ask e ': 4 ", - 9 1 to the tax now? The H o use wou ld s h ow it svaet.i", poet the claims of justic e if it rema i ne d d ea f to te", ga just demand fur the aboliti on o f thi s o di ous imPe s , haa could not refrain from doing on this occasion as done on former occ as i ons — name l y , vot i ng for the - tion of this tax. and The gallery was then cleared for a divisg," a ' the House divided on the previous question, " question be now put." Th e num b ers were-- Ayes Noes ••• _4O Majority ••• ••• 96 •" e t Pe t, Consequently the motion o f Mr. Fagan was 9n TRANSPORTATION. a O il Mr. ADDERLEY move d f or l eave to b r ing in 0 0 repealing part of th e A ct o f G eo. IV . w hi c h crePii, to ber Majesty, with the advice of her Privy . Coto, l ,_ e t he l' appoint any pl ac e s i n h er M a j esty ' s dominions for of transportation of f e l ons an d ot h ers un d e r senteew bee punishment. What he proposed was, in euture emee t, it became necessary ts make any new penal set t sore' the choice should be made, not by the Colonial git ieo tary, but by Act of Parliament ; and this proll e o lvi tte had been suggested to his mind by the teo r , fore petitions which had been presented to Parliament c o pe the Cape of Good Hope. It might be said that the a i l ed ought to be satisfied with the success which had res t th i J from its resistance; but it should be recollected th, i : heft was not the first time that a similar attempt b ad filar made, for the colonists had been subjected to t , sl j e lia treatment in the times of Lord Stanley, 1 ,00 . 00 1 o• Russell, and Mr. Gladstone. But, even if the CaP.°,, !lists were satisfied at present, there was no sesap.s_thes the future, either for themselves or the colonists 1 0 :1 t he quarters of the world. Besides, the resistance u coloel Cape had not been perf ec tly com pl e t e d, for the it s.'" . was still liable to th e rece ipt o f m ilit a ry c° lll i n ter (Hear, hear.) His object was not in any way t e ntr srY. fere with the syst e m o f t rans p or t a ti on; on the ° t el , ' he wished to remove fr om th a t system the gr ease ova l struction to its successf u l operation—the bs st Yo - 0 10a il " in winch it had been s o f requent ly c h ange d by tot the Secretaries. He did not wish by an y m eans t° c be el e slightest reflection on the Colonial Secretary, P i f e Wal e not so much to blame in these rapid changes as ulatiu n Secretary, who frequently, on finding an 80;0' 1 w hich of convicts, sent orders to the Colonial S e cretary h Lord he had difficulty in co m plyi ng w i t h. Alt/1110000 Grey might be bl ame d i n t h e l ast process , be : k ing tbib blame under the original circumstances. In r" e in the proposition he (Mr. Aaiderley) did net infr aTl e estY' or slightest degree on the prerogative of her e e ;- (llet i to propose to take the power that proper !) : o b reg ati L l'. her. Transportation was no m a tter °: re s s s By the 9th of Eli za b eth her Majceslcillaors. the e i powered, with t h e advice of six Privy Lord Chanc e ll or and the Lor d Treasurer Osg,° named), to na me the places to which rogues and n ot r b e o c c e d g s n mig t htb e sent. Th a t Act of Parliament didte' recognise he poweroeforge 7.the took the power o f trans. 0 its Q uee n as a matter c rogative. Th e 4th G portation entirely ou t o f the hands of the Q uee The Council, and placed it in the hands of Parliarneet• in 19th George 111. revived the power of the Qu ee eo int Council, but i n a very li m i te d manner . Th e ne xt a r ose which elu c id a t e d th e quest i on was a d e b ate w hiT k ; when the ind e p en d ence o f A mer i ca s h ut t he -rt r of field fur transportation; and when 5 Ta it nu° 3 "" c or felons had a ccumu l a t e d i n thi s country it became en-used nary to send them a wa y. Th e ch i ef place then Prernisce was Sierra L e o ne . M r . B ur k e objected to such eritlif being fixed up on , stat i ng that it was an to be "„,-,rsi ate, climate, and th a t th ere was no law for trauspor l VG Majesty's subjects, however cri minal to such e the The 24th George 111. gave the power of ch oosteh b e places to whi c h particular lists of persons Ac b tl y la t be sent, those lists being presented to her Pitsi, est i c .ewor d° judge. Then came the .o^th George 111., Oa a" - -0(10 the present Transportation Act, under wale - , 4) 'lo° h t he order was made (the sth Geor e c r he ; PrieY Council, Act gave the Queen, with the g udvice c' not only the power to name tho I;en to „eight he ether which particular prisoners but any place to which, at any time, any felon °bre person under sentence of transportation loig ht s s rer ei te To that power —larger than any granted to the d it to _ A previously—he greatly objected, and believe: be 1 7, mod obnoxious t o th e co l on i es , H e though'', t he P r , t shown th at t h ere were no real reasons a gainst so d t h us position which he now submitted to the 11 0 °,, d e ' n ge. , e s sufficient reasons ex i ste d f or prov idi ng e" — e baev s. would appeal to the House whether there sudde e , t dies of penal stations had not been productive of 0 1 1 5 h oto f r e s r trous effect; ? Instead of going into a g eeer , e ld r, e ,„ A . of such changes to prove that assertion, be e ",„t t h to the recent transactions at the Cape, as . 4 sYs t 4 tration of the worst feature of the c hange - co nslc b , In 1848, in consequence of the,accumulatio n n° c iing in England, a new system was adepted, I . a c e c e locul it highest honour on those who advised it. T" to S e A 'on ece Secretary thought of reviving transportatl ope South Wales. Van Diemen's Land was ahv he stir again ; but a new place was looked fur, and 0001, posed the N o bl e Lord fixed upon the Car . es i s tsoe that such a qu i e t sett l ement would not ma k e alli e r c s pe, bil e Lord Grey sent out a commun i cat i on to th _ res esf e news having arr i ve d t h at i t was nec essary t u ati ye ti b tr is certain prisoner s f rom B ermu d a , L or d Grey a° t ° do for reflection, and, witho u t w a iting for an pooled' letter, ordered 300 prisoners to be sent freth ncow ls to the C a p e . H e t h oug h t t h e res i stanc e of thu b to t it W ye the colony redounded greatly to their honour_uid p ro d° attended with this disastrous result—that it r t 'l l i e g to a lesson to other colonies that they bad o';', or e vils' by but resist in the same manner to escape sit el sessecixs (Hear, hear.) He considered the power P° s hes e " I t s the Colonial Secretary to be the source of a o erer os e asters, for the temptation to exercise such %P e eiett i o te too strong to be resisted. He considered that t p roga rty which he now proposed would, in every we t Y ;oo 9l liottll and put upon a b et t er f oot i ng the syegem D e rr ' 0 0 at tion. It would t a k e f rom her M a j est y A fto tall t hat power, it would remove t h e C o l on i a l See r g ee ing ; a d under the power o f t h e H ome S ecre t a ry. „ es itiP°' -in every reason e x i ste d i n favour o f the Pro 1 0 be folio none agrinst it, h e th oug h t no t i me ougb s w hicb for repealing th a t part a the sth Geo. IV., t ° - t oolle° referred. Th e H ot% Member conc l u d e d hi ot& t leave to brin g i n hi s Bill . be ti tles The motion having b een sec onded, 813- bad put, goob er be Sir G. GREY said, that after the nett* ortetiel3'ber adverted to th e difficulties attending tra nsP did not exactly un d erstan d t h e co urse the Nos Melt wu W et ' was now taking in proposing a measure w the t so t he crease the embarrassment already felt on _„ ion of _ 0 1 As he (Sir G. Grey) understood the pror t s h i e b e l a tiso tho Hon. liember, it was simply to rePe a _ et i n g that ther transportation in the sth George IT-, er g long or . ° 0 . Crown may appoint a place to which .':: . • tatee 10 0 , offenders may be sent. Now there were l `fn s port e dge s, istence which prescribed the sentence of iu to th e J - t the in some instances is ith a certain disc retiondis raja Aid to but in other cases without that must he en teoff ro o cooling assizes no doubt prisoners e Gat' e d transportation, and he would ask if tb could be cirri lace. bad considered how these sentences p own to aPY' t poO u into effect if the power of the Cr ? 'The ion fur their transportation was taken away the pc . avar' o sof under had been exercised by the Crown _ _ to r (erred by Act of Parliament ever since te !f t ry_, the , bu t i i_ .4 transportation was known to the statu.nut,, w__`: n is ye n t --ever since it had been the main t tinsi l t ia 0 4 00 7 11 - 0 for serious crimes. The Hon. Gentleman hole ea se with rested Ids whole( Di ver s to the Cede, and had s , e c a( po tic avUs recent occurrences and the despo Wei) ear' Now be so,r • . Gov respect to that colony. , that too ca pe towards the close of the last session, u the went never intended to force convicts.r and as soon as the ship arrived and S e t or derel the the determination of the colonists, sh " sitot ion e and the convicts were not lauded. The ued th o `i tt by military convicts was sufficiently exP lei rot se nt ose d spondeuce before the House. They were e prer, ott virtue of any power which the Hon. A. l ' /1 hltd_t o l to repeal, but by virtue of the Mutiny r-",-. oett $ r„,,„ said that it was intended to make the t c g aTiOP 0919Py , WO, did kilo, that Wu"