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IPP"' j e.,,e , : Vil • 11 d rriv g o) cor — d of Pip In g e :1)1 41 h u d oti eaul f s - # 0 ilds e .011 CF i d l isp, eq r, Ow od 0 0C 11 1, 1 01 11 o' ll° SO re epo r Gr° 9l o' l . h ere Jer ° ' ' a f, ler ilj- ler Ver" T The COURT CIRCULAR. 1 4 %/oeen and Prince Albert walked yesterday morning ._ T o royal gardens of Buckingham Palace. p r im Majesty and Prince Albert, accompanied by the Lady 11 °Yol, and attended by the Viscountess Canning, fb_3: in Waiting, left Buckingham Palace in a carriage and forte a quarter before three o'clock yesterday afternoon, th e f , e ti h.) , a party of the 17th Lancers, for the terminus of h Great Western Railway at Paddington. Colonel the sic43',.,,Charles Grey, Equerry in Waiting, and Major. General Iblio':word Bowater, Equerry in Waiting to Prince Albert, in a carriage and four. Their Royal Highnesses the te e , n 7 of Wales, Prince Alfred, and the Princess Alice, Ilext — L an ied by the Dowager Lady Lyttelton, occupied the lice t `'"Page and four ; and the Hon. Miss Stanley and the bliss Hamilton, Maids of Honour in Waiting, and the 4 ardwicke, Lord in Waiting, were in another carriage er tai a M ajesty and P r i nc e Albert were conducted to their ~Ige by the Master of the Horse, the Vice-Chamberlain, George Anson, Groom in Waiting to the Prince. e royal party l e f t the Paddington terminus by a special for Windsor Castle. 'at V VEDNESDAY.—The Queen and . Prince Albert, p l !nee of Wales, Prince Alfred, the Princess Royal, and rili ceso Ali dtl 'al suite arrived at the Castle • tip ? ce, an le my , tlitro""nutes before four o'clock this afternoon, in four of llo rs i o al carriages and four, escorted by a party of the Royal Be e ' 441 '6, under the command of Lieut. Bastard. l ett after the arrival of the Court at the Castle, her Ma c4attended by the Lady in Waiting, the Viscountess . lie se : l a i g, rode out in a pony phaeton to visit her Royal High v‘s e Duchess of Kent, at Frogmore House. eri ,Tu v.. Y,o . l Highness Pr , ince Albart walked out, soon after , H er al, in the Slopes and pleasure-grounds. 41(6 Royal n. Highness the Princess Royal was taken a walk ' 11;btoolids adjacent to the Castle etantm g r Val suite at the Castle includes the Viscountess the Dowager Lady Lyttelton, Hon. Misses Stanley the g Earl of Hardwicke, Captain Mey nell, VIII" R ev. C. Leslie Courtenay, Colonel the Hon. Charles 11 ,9 Sir Edward Bowater. 111 High WraitnYal ness the Duchess of Knt, the Countess ;7 4 "; l and the Lady in Waiting on he Royal Duchess, 4°lll the royal circle at the Castle at dinner this evening. N en Royal highness the Grand Duchess Stephanie of t he)4l, ac eompanied by Prince Edward of Saxe Weimar and Ne t -4 1ola of Douglas and attended by Baroness de Strum -44:4 Baron Roth de Schreckenstein, honoured the Sacred tile hrlic Society with her presence, at the performance of t ltils4,,l s iah, at Exeter-hall, last evening. The Grand Du- Iftep ti "'lted her daughter, the Marchioness of Douglas, in the thi etiesa ° ° ll ? at her residence in Connaught-place. The Mar , Si r b . 13 going on most favourably. ~,,'"%osvard Douglas M.P. and a deputation of Tanners Ar.aulterview wi.h 'Sir Robert Peel yesterday. thti r i l l'elegates of the Hand-loom Weavers, accompanied by 1 44,,,rretary Mr W H. Lowe, had an interview with the alhou'sie y e at the office of the Board of ikt , The d e p utat i on was headed by Mr. Brocklehurst, Tha and Mr. Aglionbv, M.P. apaerican Minister transacted business yesterday at ll °rej o--office. , 1 / 4 44 4 ,* 'ellatt an d M r. Ch r i stey h a d an i n t erv i ew w ith the 4 11 0 , e ''uor of the Exchequer yesterday, at his official resi- U n .44 I, — owning-street. ijerton, M.P., Mr. Tollomache, and a depute bibs.'4 an interview with Sir R. Peel yesterday. terdit'lltelies for the Governor of Gibraltar were sent off yes ' len," - ening, from the Colonial-office. eilk . ""tairman of the Excise had an interview with the 4 N...1 of the Exchequer yesterday. „4 . EAST INDIA HOUSE. ..4iZetial Court of the Proprietors was held yesterday at 11 t 10 yudia House on general business. 'NI Ihair was taken by Captain Sheppard, and the mi , the last Court were read. . 4 '. T THE EX4IAJAII OF SATTARA. th is "OM . PSON proceeded at considerable length to eluci %elect subject, and concluded by moving that certain papers a 1 14 n ett with it should be printed. 7ttl i pt Allow; after some discussion expressed his regret ) ,"° ll . Proprietor should have made charges against a ki ll — was not present, especially as perjury had been im ti_ The present subject had been discussed fifteen or six 'l4fitkr,,, and was th oug ht t o be entirely disposed of. He con- N kt mat the interests'of the ex• Rajah were damaged by the %Ss % °f his friends in that Court.—( Hear, hear.) As the ~..,. N iscion again be brought before Parliament, it was not Nstl t 1 " ) ,.,r him to say anything more upon the subject. He l 'ltn ite `NI th Court of Proprietors to suspend their judgment ...°' *hole facts were before them. He questioned the ; 4 hi' or the friendship of the parties who had for two years § ' ilk% the subj ec t f orwar d. H e would order a copy of a wr t... that had been received upon the question before i T he - wil to b e read. i 'lti. Llerk read the correspondence, which was as (01- ,41 i . ' • YkY) Political Dispatch to Bombay, No. 9, dated Lt on ,.' 1 843. b... Sitp i ,.- Policcal letter, dated Sept. 30th, (No. 37), 1842, • t h ,_7tizt",,, t° Us a letter from Lieutenant-Colonel Ovens, sub- Stlitt ""lervations and affidavits, in refutation of the accu ,:ffuinst his honour and character, contained in certain ,%.i e ° 4 in the Court of Proprietors, at this House, on kyliqgs 1842. el k,:s t it o 4r letter, No. 38, of the same date, further communi , Ott, a ° gapers which you have received from Mr. Wil- Cr ' f il et tla Lieutenant• Colonel Ovens, in reference to the i. 71 l o Nf l aiur-General Lodwick, to our Chairman, dated "Ist `”, 1 842, printed by order of the Court of Pro it 3tl: 14 % express your opinion that Lieutenant-Colonel Ovans eh t. 1 ... tetith "Illoughby are entitled to whatever protection we t i nt er Pppriety afford to them, against attacks open their .estm t tiruilar to those of which they complain ; and in the 11Z %4 14 °r-General Lodwick, you further suggest that such I ti wt t o .° 4 14 be use d f or com p e ll ing them to bring the ques t Zti it l fair and open issue, as his position in our service Iv, T our power to employ. 4st k i L ou felt it our duty to address a letter to Major -4a.14i ewi wiek (a copy of which is . enclosed),. on the sub et.. ti ett a3 mge in his letter to our Chairman, which might be ‘bra il ." Imputing to Lieutenant-Colonel Ovens the crime A Th e t ail evidence. . 4 110 t . it tswer of Maj o r-General Lodwick, a copy of which s 1n,4 0 4113 Mit, was not such as we could have received as a tlt h r t Y disavowal of the supposed meaning, but within a O t i tt ullovrin g Maj Ilfei t or-General Lodwick, in the Court of d ( Zi Publicly and distinctly disclaimed having imputed, • N 0 t ° impute, subornation of evidence to Lieutenant lie L 'aus .. Z sor e,.theref re thought it necessary to continue the It: *" . `eoee with therefore, Lodwick. tlt ssk 6ehl ee l ill due to Lieutenant-Colonel Ovans and Mr. , estr oil °9 to record our opinion, that the inveatigation and tai u s , "filch have taken place have left not the slightest O) t ::r character, public or private, nor have tended in II lit e ,i" wer , the reputation they have justly acquired by S. 'l ,° lts public services." 4 , b ,,, ° "P s 0 N having replied, the motion for production of lot: S e S up ers was subsequently withdrawn. tk e ws i ti r jeant GAZELEE inquired as to the execution of two • 1 ,511 e., lou Indian army, after nine months had elapsed since eZI offenc e took place. Is tv uttr ie 4 lutiAN and Sir JAMES LAW LUSHINGTON said ISpb t s t r a°rsuetl was perfectly legal. The most mischievous 1 4" ts t toke place if discussions were entered into upon IIIII ttli v "ING concurred in those remarks, and the subject 1 , Pod 4 1 T. 11 4: 4 1 4 w k „ ---it PATE OF CAPTAIN CONNOLLY. 1 414 tee t 'lNG said he had no doubt that all present were li ptL t orn that Captain Connolly was in the service of the East 44, Ro d when he was imprisoned and murdered at Idy l th - :u be (Mr Weeding) wished that some testimonial qvu es r auted, either pecuniary or otherwise, to the next 1 44i ti ot !he deceased if required. kt i l t ktl' tit ' t- 'eneral BRIA ' NT said that Captain Connelly cer ,41',.1 well as Colonel Stoddart, in the service of the . ettioi"rapany, but that it would be advisable to wee '. \si t '," until the return of the Rev. Dr. Woolf. 4414 0 assented, and the Court adjourned. I; N PIJBLISHED POEM OF fon, . CAMPBELL. c 'mg poem, said to be the composition of the late of „,a l Pbell was found by Mr. Wallace among the t y a nw„" l ennerh ' asset, accompanied by the latter gentle 4qtsti" music. It has never been published in this coun- I C tt ,th4 l. we believe, and has only appeared, within a , 1 1 ) , 4 dte r ,"" 11 a New York paper, from the columns of which The lyric was written by Campbell, " in honour Scottish Legion, which returned blind from be;„" e give the oem s it is sent us, without of '"g answerable for its authenticity : S ons of chiefs, renowned in story, .„,.• e whose fame is heard afar, who rushed to death er glory, Welcome from the toils of war, "hen from conquest late assembling, Madly armed the frantic Gaul, Europe for her empire trembling, riton f boubted where the storm might fall ; rom her sea-girt station, „Guarded by her native oak, 'leard the threat with indignation, , Well pr e p are d t o meet the stroke. tsut the foe, her thunder fearing, F• led her naval arm before, And far distant widely steering, T Seixeci the famed Egyptian shore. here in vain his boasted legions Vowed t o k eep th e w id e domain ; Eager for the torrid regions, l e w h y S se ritannia ploughs the main ! sons of old opposing, In Checked the haughty Roman band, the shock of battle losing, Freed the Caledonian land : ° ll , our guardian genius naming, To the toils of combat bred, Chase to hurl her vengeance flaming , On the foe's devoted head ! alethinks old Ossian, from his station On the skirts of yonder cloud, 'Yes his race with exultation : nark ! the hero speaks aloud— Sons of chiefs renowned in story, v Ye whose fame is heard afar, • a who rushed to death or glory, Welcome from the toils of war !"—Post. 6 14 Pto tbs fortis to-day show that therearestr w o i n t g h i l , eltt sp it the approaching season commencing s l :Te:t v 4 V• , ()ur friend George Robins, comme a to.rdi tt.t f ew takes lead, ki ( w ils i i i , r twilmlYs s that bylie and hasit is declared amongst the his on intention di t c ot l the t do public competition, as much an Ti I tequiree anon, • . - %,.• he b one minion of money to not been idle, in pay for it. . ti'lte o‘4l"Yal Hot 1, t Slough, has • I; 4 v ft' ep f t r ° l 6 _ t aend _senowa. .T , he interminable winter may I tl i,,li th at , u ,ra se p! D tes . io s friends away h , av b e u b t ee s n til p l u w . ; x e t i ,'iß th e "'in 11 and his establishment . I t t ithv . even tenor of their course throu s g t : hi g h wi nter, and that the fame of the cook . t h ill r a an s k i a 1 4 t, Rn sad onsieur le Cht fat the Reform . Club—at . 45..." Sir GeorgeW render, and he is accounted are 115 t t" tat iud we re st,N l ittl e ein these a a r tters. By the way, „., Phased to dis m abuse the public milic'l' ins the Ptcitt„thyne ehar - this hotel. " Splendour it ~,)t,l made c on g sp e icu a o t us - '`' (l .„.er i tt - t ": 1 eornfort within ; and to this may be appended, on the outside of the oyal Pktl AI N& charges throughout the establishment. . , e il of COLLXGE. --- The sudden and lamentable caused r4t oi°'rrofessor Daniell of King's College, 0 1 , 4 4 4 , ' in that institution' where he was as mu h cl a i s loN a re n d n :s I,‘ b e .; rNlPected as a teacher, and where his loss cannot 4 A "`Verti 1 11 t'ev• b Y . , reit, as it will also be by the world of 4 110 1 I. * 'elf, the Princial of the College, has directed eci tero le should be • lki t I 'D 1144 Y, Dr. Ryl d nof the medical department, •I 'll''^ l a tic tice on Thu - e ' e e v a en o ing n th . at there should be no N 4 4(1 p.'"'i lectures till 11rIna•Y i The students, we I L'itLiil, have sub mit ° tel a. re m quest t g o be allowed to attend - " r ad of %sir late much respected profeuer. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF COMMONS, March 19. The SPEAKER took the Chair at Twelve o'clock. RAILWAY CLAUSES CONSOLIDATION BILL. Oa the question being put for the third reading of this Bill, Sir R. H. INGLIS took the last opportunity of call ing the attention of the House to a subject connected with railways of great importance. He alluded to the practice of large railway companies taking great bodies of people from places where they had been accus tomed to receive ample religious and moral instruction, and conveying them for the purposes of the railway to some portion of the line where no provision whatever was made for their future spiritual werfare. lie im plored all those who were connected with railway com panies to take this subject into their most solemn and serious consideration. It was a duty incumbent upon them not to form new towns without giving those persons whom they collected in them such means of education for their children, and religious instruction for themselves, as they received in the county from which they came. He would take the same opportunity of expressing an honest hope that some measures would be adopted for preventing railway companies from carrying large bodies of people to places where they were likely to create a breach of the peace. It had been stated in that House, that in a late instance a special train was employed by a railway com pany to convey a large body of people, in order to en able them to commit a breach of the peace. He would not have mentioned the circumstance, were it not for the purpose of giving it a public contradiction. He would not mention the railway company of whom this slander had been circulated, but he could assure the House that he had their own authority for declaring that the slander was absolutely without foundation in truth. Mr. HAWES said that he always listened with very great respect to whatever fell from the Right Hon. Baronet (Sir R. Inglis), and he, on the present occasion, was quite aware of the great importance of the matter which he had brought before the House; but he thought that it would be better to leave the provision of the spit itual wants of the people assembled through their instrumen tality to the spontaneous liberality of the company. He (Mr. Hawes) could bear testimony to the great liberality with which the railway companies had acted; and he thought, from the evidence which they had given of a disposition to provide for the spiritual necessities of those dependent upon them, that the object of the Hon. Baronet would be better served by the mode he sug gested than by any compulsory regulation. He might give an instance in the conduct of the Great Western Railway, who, at one of their stations, Swindon, had not only erected a church, and provided for its ministration, but had also endowed a school for instructing the children who were brought together. The whole arrangement, indeed, was a model which might well be imitated by every railway company in England. On the Birmingham line, also, there was an establishment of a similar character, at Wolver ton. And not only had the companies been careful to make this, provision for the spiritual wants of the people when.their works were finished ; but, whenever there was a necessity for bringing a number of people together for the execution of works requiring any con siderable time for their completion, they had made a temporary provision for the spiritual necessities of their dependents and those who were brought together through their means. He thought, therefore, that the better plan would be to leave the provision which the Hon. Baronet so earnestly desired to the spontaneous liberality of the companies, rather than introduce any compulsory clauses into the Bill. Lord G. SOMERSET said, that he also thought that it was better to leave it to the goodwill of the com panies, than to introduce any such clause. The railway directors had always subscribed with great liberality to any work which had for its object the spiritual welfare of their people. The Bill was then read the third time, and a clause introduced which provided that it should be competent for persons interested in any property likely to be affected by the formation of any railway, to take copies of, or make extracts from, the copy of the Bill deposited with the clerk of the peace. The Bill was then read a third time. On the motion that the Bill do pass, A clause was introduced, on the motion of Lord G. SOMERSET, providing that railway companies should not alter any branch or main gas or water pipes until they had substituted other pipes, and providing also that all such new pipes should be laid at least eighteen inches from the surface of the road; and also that cul verts, or other protection, should be provided which would enable the company to make any repairs that might be necessary. Mr. HAWES wished to know whether the Noble Lord would have any objection to frame a standing order requiring companies to give notice to the Admiralty of any works which they intended to construct affecting the navigation of rivers. As the Bill before the House was then about to pass, he had one remark to make. It was, that he hoped they would never have these twelve o'clock sittings again at the commencement of the session.—(" Hear, hear," from Colonel Sibthorp.) Those who had attended the sittings upon that Bill must have seen that the public business was not satis factorily attended to.—(Hear, hear.) He trusted that after Easter no morning sittings would take place ; if they did, it would be impossible that the Bills could re ceive proper attention. At the end of the session the same objection did not apply ; because the business transacted was, in fact, the completion of measures the general principle of which had already received the sanction of the House ; but he entertained a strong objection both to the continuance of the morning sit tings after Easter, and to the repetition of them at a still earlier period of the session. —(Hear, hear.) Col. SIBTHORP expressed his full concurrence in what had fallen from the lion. Member (Mr. Hawes) on the subject of morning sittings. He did hope that they would never have a repetition of such scenes as had re cently been exhibited, when ten, fifteen, or twenty Mem bers were all who were engaged in passing the most im portant measures. Mr. LABOUCHERE said the question which had been mooted by his Hon. Friend near him was a very important one. That question was whether it was ex pedient or not for the House to sit at such an early hour during the former part of the session. He confessed that on the whole he was inclined to agree with his Hon. Friend ; but at the same time he must say that in some cases both the Government and the House had to make a choice of evils.—(Hear, hear.) Whatever inconveni ence there might have been in taking these Bills in the early sittings, it must be acknowledged that it would have formed a great obstruction to the public business if they had been taken in the evening. Still, though he did not blame the Government for the course they had now pur sued, he thought the practice was objectionable. He did believe that, in the long run, they would not get through more business by attending these morning sittings, than if they sat at the usual hour in the evening. Lord G. SOMERSET said, he admitted that the various considerations advanced of the inconvenience of attending the morning sittings were entitled to the utmost attention, and he much regretted the necessity that existed for having had recourse to such a procedure. There were peculiar circumstances which rendered such a course absolutely necessary. He could not deny that the subjects before them were of' pa ramount importance, and well deserved the eonsidera don of the House. It was quite notorious that the whole strength of the House would be required on Com mittees on private Bills after Easter, and it was, there fore, desirable that these measures should be disposed of before Easter. He did not think it would be necessary, under all the circumstances, to continue the morning sittings after that period. With regard to the proposition made by the Hon. Member for Lambeth (Mr. Hawes), he fully concurred in the expediency of it, and it was very probable that after Easter he should introduce it as a standing order. The Bill was then read a third time and passed. LAND CLAUSES CONSOLIDATION BILL. Lord G. SOMERSET brought up several new clauses, which were severally read a first and second time, and committed. _ _ vV The House having again resumed, the report was brought up by Mr. GREENE, and agreed to. On the motion that the Bill be read a third time being put, Colonel SIBTHORP said that he observed in one of the Noble Lord's amended clauses a reference made to canals, and other public undertakings. He wished to know whether barracks or public warehouses were to be considered as public undertakings ; and whether the public would have access to see the plans relating to them ? Lord G. SOMERSET said, where public works were intended to be built, every opportunity would be given for public inspection. The Bill was they read a third time, and passed. RAILWAY CLAUSES CONSOLIDATION (SCOT- LAND) BILL: The report on this Bill was brought up and received. The third reading was fixed for to-morrow at four. LANDS CLAUSES CONSOLIDATION (SCOT LAND) BILL. The third reading of this Bill was postponed ti to-morrow. The House then adjourned at Half- past One to Five. The House resumed at Five o'clock. Several petitions were presented in favour of Rail way Bills and other private Bills. The report of the Committee on the Aberdeen Railway Bill was brought up, the Committee re porting that the standing orders had been complied with. DARTMOUTH ELECTION. Mr. PAKINGTON brought up the report of the Select Committee appointed to try the merits of the election for the borough of Dartmouth. The Corn. mittee reported that Mr. Joseph Somes had been duly returned, at the last election for the borough of Dart • mouth, to serve in Parliament for that borough. Several Members then presented private Bills. RAILWAYS. Dr. BOWRING presented a petition against the Berkshire and Hampshire Railway. Col. PEEL presented a petition from Huntingdon in favour of the London and York Railway Bill. Sir G. CLERK presented a petition from Stamford (as we understood) against certain portions of the Peterborough and Svston Railway Bill. ,lysL ly GLASGOW POLICE BILL. Mr. LOCKHART brought in the Glasgow Police Bill, which was read a first time. SALE OF INTOXICATING LIQUORS ON SUNDAYS. Mr. H. BERKELEY presented a petition from Bristol praying the House to pass a measure prohi biting the sale of intoxicating liquors on Sundays. Mr. BRIGHT presented petitions from several places in Scotland to the same effect. MERCHANT SEAMEN'S FUND. Mr. LABOLICLIERE presented a petition praying THE SUN, LONDON, THURSDAY the House to inquire into the manner in which the proceeds of the Merchant Seamen's Fund were ex pended. Lord DUNCAN presented petitions from places in the county of Lincoln against the keeping open of public-houses on Sundays. Mr. MITCHELL presented a petition from several medical practitioners in Bradford, against several pro visions in the Medical Bill brought in by Sir James Graham. Mr. M. BELLEW presented petitions from places in Ireland, complaining of the arbitrary powers exer cised by the Poor-law Commissioners. Lord A. LENNOX presented petitions from various places in Essex and Sussex. The Noble Lord did not, however, mention the prayers of them, where upon there was a general cry of "For what ?" Lord A. LENNOX (in a low tone of voice) — Against the tariff.—(Great laughter, and cries of " Hear.") Lord J. RUSSELL presented a petition from the Anti-Slavery Society, numerously signed, against the emigration of labourers into the Mauritius, which emigration, it was understood, was encouraged by the Government. The petitioners further complained that the greatest immorality prevailed in the Mauritius in consequence of this importation. It was prayed that the Government might not advance any loan for the purposes Of such emigration as the petitioners said had been contemplated. _ . _ NEW ZEALAND. Mr. C. BULLER moved that the petition of mer chants, bankers, and traders of the city of London, on the subject of New Zealand be printed.—Agreei to. THE TARIFF. Mr. Alderman HU MPHERY presented a petition from Bermondsey against the tariff.—(Laughter.) MAYNOOTH. Sir R. INGLIS said his Right Hon. Friend at the head of the Government had answered a question the other evening, put to him by an Hon. Member, with respect to the measure it was intended to introduce on the subject of Roman Catholic institutions. His Right Honourable Friend did no more then than state the time when he proposed to call the attention of the House to this subject. He (Sir R. Inglis) requested now to be permitted to ask in what way the Right Hon. Gentleman proposed to deal with this sub ject, whether by an increased grant in the estimates, or whether by Bill? He also wished to ask whether he intended to leave Protestant institutions as they now stood ? He wished to ask these two questions—first, whether it was the intention of his Right Hon. Friend to proceed by Bill in the case of the Roman Catholics, and secondly, whether it was his intention to leave the Protestant institutions to an annual vote and dis cussion? Sir R. PEEL was sorry his Hon. Friend had thought it right to ask questions with respect to in dividual points of the measures it was intended to propose : it was a very great advantage to state the objects of the measures generally ; but he could have no objection to answer the question of his Honourable Friend. He certainly proposed to proceed by Bill in the case of Maynooth, and the establishment of other academical institutions for Ireland ; and if the House should be prepared to assent to the proposition of an increased grant to - Maynooth, he thought great advantage would be derived in doing away with the annual discussion on the subject. There would be a great advantage in making the grant permanent, that it might not be subjected to an annual dispute. As to the grants to the Protes tant Presbyterians, whether they were to be annual or not, he thought they fell within the same general principle, and he saw no reason why they should not be made permanent. He was not aware of what the Right Hon. Gentleman referred to. Sir R. INGLIS said he referred to the Regium Donum and the grant to the Presbyterian Church of Scotland. Sir ROBERT PEEL presumed the Right Honourable Gentleman did not mean to object to those grants.—(Great laughter.) If he wished for a guarantee for the continuance of those grants, from the great respect he felt for the Presbyterian body in Scotland, he (Sir Robert Peel) was not at all prepared to say it should be refused. Sir R. INGLIS disclaimed having any intention to object to the grants.—(Hear, hear.) Sir R. PEEL—Then it is hardly fair for the Right Hon. Gentleman to raise a prejudice against my proposal with respect to the grant to Maynooth, by appearing to imply from it that the Presbyterian Protestant bodies are to be dealt with on a different principle.—(Hear, hear.) IMPRISONMENT FOR DEBT. Lord DUNCAN said an Act was passed last ses sion by Lord Brougham and the Government to amend the law of bankruptcy ; by the 57th section of that Act, the power of arresting for debt, when the amo'int was less than 20/ , was abolished from the date of the passing of the Act, 9th August, 1844. The words "except for debts now in subsistence" were, it was supposed, accidentally omitted from the clause. In consequence of this omission, twelve hundred tradesmen in Bath had been greatly inconvenienced by those who owed them debts contracted before that date refusing to pay them. The question he had to ask was, whether it was the intention of the Govern ment to introduce any measure after Easter to relieve those unfortunate persons from the hardships they Ai ere suffering, in consequence of the neglect of the Crown lawyers ? Sir J. GRAHAM condoled very sincerely with the Noble Lord under the circumstances in which his constituents were placed ; however he might state that he was not aware of any general inconvenience that had arisen from the measure passed last year. He only knew it had had this effect; that though, before it passed, the gaols of the country were crowded with a large number of debtors in a hopeless state of captivity, the prisons were no longer crowded with these hopeless individuals. He was not prepared to recommend any material alteration in the Bill alluded to by the Noble Lord. Lord DUNCAN, seeing the Right Hon. Gentle man the Solicitor-General in his place, begged leave to call to his recollection that when he (Lord Duncan) waited upon him with a deputation on this subject a few days ago, he (the Solicitor- General) stated that he was perfectly aware that this Bill had caused great inconvenience to the tradesmen of this country. Now he begged leave to ask whether he still remained of the same opinion ? The SOLICITOR-GENERAL thought he ought not to answer the question of the Noble Lord. It was not fair for the Noble Lord to state what had passed during his interview with the deputation. He did not exactly recollect what expressions he did use, but, if he remembered rightly, he believed he stated that he had understood very great inconveni ence had resulted to tradesmen from this Bill ; and he asked the deputation whether they, as prac tical men, were prepared to suggest any remedy. He thought the Noble Lord would do him the justice to say that none of them could suggest any, although he threw out many which did not appear to meet their views. The subject then dropped. SLAVERY AN M D ESSAG THE PRESIDENT'S E. Mr. ALDAM begged to ask the Right Honourable Gentleman the First Minister of the Crown, a ques tion of which he had given him notice, and which re lated to a statement that appeared in the last Message of the American President of State. The statement related to the treatment of liberated slaves in the British colonies, and insinuated that they were no better than when in their former state of slavery. The President declared that when they were taken to the British colonies they had to serve an apprenticeship, during which they were treated, if possible, with more severity than when they were slaves. Now, he wished to know whether the Presi dent of the United States of America was correctly informed when he made the statement that the condi tion of the liberated African in the British colonies was no better than slavery ? Sir R. PEEL said he was glad the Hon. Member had given him notice of this important question. It was rather to be regretted that the President of the United States of America should send over a formal message upon the subject of negroes who were intended to be removed from a state of slavery to comparative freedom, at a great ex pense to this country, without first ascertaining what was the real position of the British colonies. He must also say, that if the President of the United States should think it expedient to appoint a Commis sion for the purpose of going to the West Indian colonies of ber Majesty, to ascertain precisely the con dition in which those who had been slaves are now, that every disposition would be shown on the part of her Majesty's Government to facilitate the inquiry of that Commission, and to enable the President and Go vernment of the United States of America to present to their own country the fullest and most accurate account of the condition of the negroes in the West India colonies. The message to which the Hon. Gentleman had referred announced that when a cap ture took place of negroes intended for slavery, they were sent to the West Indian colonies, where they had to serve an apprenticeship for a term of years, during which they were treated with the same se verity as when they were in a state of slavery. Now it was a well known fact that the state of apprenticeship had long ago been altogether abolished in the West Indies. ' The negro, whether going there voluntarily as a free African, or sent there as a captured negro, was placed in a state of apprenticeship. In whatever capacity he went, he was perfectly free and enti tled to all the rights of freemen. Perhaps he might be permitted to state what was the course pursued by the British Government with respect to negroes captured by the cruisers of this country. If captured on the coast of Africa they w e re generally sent to Sierra Leone, and when there they were at perfect liberty to determine whether they would go to our West Indian colonies, or whether they would return to the place from which they had been taken; there was in that respect no compulsion. The treaty AIORNING, MARCH 20 184 b. with Spain was to this effect :—ln the event of the capture of a Spanish vessel by a British cruiser, the slaves so captured were to be delivered up to the country to which the capturing cruiser belonged. This country had a vessel at the Havannah which received the slaves generally captured in the neighbourhood of Cuba. It was certainly true that every individual slave was not sent to Africa ; for it would be quite impossible to provide the means of conveyance for them. They were, in fact, sent to our Wrest Indian colonies ; but they were under no com pulsion whatever as to the labour which they undertook, nor were they placed in a state of apprenticeship. There were persons there who instructed them as to the con tracts into which they might enter ; but whether they should enter into those contracts or not, was left entirely to their own option. Now it was possible that the mistake of the American President had arisen from this circumstance. Our treaty with Spain was entered into in 1835 ; and at that time the state of apprenticeship did exist, and the provisions of the treaty were that the captured negro, on being sent to a British colony, should be placed on the same footing as an apprentice. But since 1835 the state of apprenticeship had al together ceased—(Hear, hear)—and the cap tured negro, on arriving at our West Indian colonies, was in the condition of a free man.— (Hear, hear.) In addition to the treaty with Spain, there was one with Brazil and another with Portu gal. By the treaty with Brazil it was provided that the captured slaves should be delivered up in the ports of the country near which they were cap tured. There was a difference between the treaty with Brazil and that with Portugal. It was the manifest intention of the treaty with Brazil that the captured slave should become a free man. But Brazil insisted on keeping the captured negro in a state of slavery, and declined to fulfil the treaty en tered into with this country with respect to the future disposal of slaves. Such being the case, the Government of this country signified to the Govern ment of Brazil that the slaves which were cap tured should not, in future, be delivered up unless Brazil consented to place them in a state of freedom.—(Hear, hear.) And when slaves had been captured near Rio Janeiro by the cruisers of this country, instead of being sent to Brazil, they were taken to the West Indies, it being found impractica ble to send them back to Africa. He must again ex press his regret that this subject should have been noticed in the Message of the President of the United States.—(Hear, hear.) With respect to the allega tion that both the subjects of the United States and those of this country were concerned in carrying on the slave trade, that was a subject for serious conside ration. He was not prepared to deny the fact. He hoped that if the law did not reach this applica tion of British capital, the Legislature would be pre pared to apply a remedy.—(Hear, hear.) In answer to a question by Sir D. NORREYS, Sir J. GRAHAM said it was not the intention of Go vernment to propose any measure with regard to medi cal charities in Ireland, nor to propose any measure with regard to the railway system iu Ireland. THE BOARD OF TRADE—RAILWAY DE PARTMENT. Mr. B. DENNISON said he wished to put a question to the Right Hon. Gentleinan the Vice-President of the Board of Trade. He wished to know whether the rail way department of the Board of Trade, or some one of its officers, had not, with a view to a favourable report, negotiated between various companies projecting rail ways between London and York, for the purpose of in ducing them to make concessions to each other, but with out any invitation, or even any intimation being made to the London and York Railway Company to take any part in such negotiations ? Whether the Cambridge and London and Direct Northern Company were not invited and did not attend at the Board of Trade in the week previous to the publication of the Gazette of Tuesday, the 11th of March, with reference to a condition of their being favourably reported upon? Whether the Board of Trade had not negotiated with the Newark and Sleaford Company, or suggested nego tiations, with a view to require its pledge, that in the next year it will apply to Parliament for leave to make a railroad from Newark to Sleaford, to join the Cambridge and Lincoln line ? Whether such a course of proceed ing on the part of the Railway Department of the Board of Trade was not, in the opir.ion of the Vice- Presitlent, exceeding the powers recommended to be delegated to that department by the Select Committee on Railways, as set forth in their Fifth Report of 1844? Sir G. CLERK said it was not surprising that the House should express its surprise at the last question of the Hon. Gentleman, but the answers which he would give to the other questions would embody the answer to the fourth. He bogged to state most distinctly, that no ne gotiations of any kind whatever had taken place be tween the Board of Trade and the promoters of the Direct Northern and the Cambridge and Lincoln Rail way Company—that no facilities were given to them to make any statements they wished to lay before the Board of Trade that were not equally given to his Hon. Friend and the promoters of the Lon don and York line. With regard to the second question, all that had occurred was this :—On Saturday afternoon, after the Gazette was published, some person connected with the London and York Railway had called at the office of the Board of Trade, and stated that a coalition had taken place between the promoters of the Direct Northern and the Cambridge and Lincoln line, and he stated that a communication to that effect would be sent to the Board of Trade on Monday morning. That com munication was made, but at that time the Board of Trade had no knowledge whatever of any intention of c oalition. With regard to the third question, he begged to state that there was no negotiation going on respect ing the introduction of a Bill next year for a line be tween Newark and Sleaford, nor had any such been ever contemplated by the Board of Trade. The Hon. Gen tleman would find that the Board of Trade had not ex ceeded the instructions laid down for their guidance ; and at the proper time it would be found, on a reference to this matter, that they had acted in full accordance with those instructions. Lord HOWICK said that an answer had not now been given to the most important question which had been put to the Right Hon. Baronet. He (Lord Ilowick) would therefore wish to know whether a coalition had not been suggested. He wished to know whether such a s uggestion had not been thrown out by the Board of Trade to the two railway companies? Sir GEO. CLERK—He had intended in his answer to the Hon. Member for the West Riding of Yorkshire to intimate his assurance that the desire for such a coali tion had not emanated from the Board of Trade. Lord lIOWICK said his question was still unan swered. He wished to know whether the suggestion of that coalition had not been given to the companies, be cause such an intimation from such an authority was sure to be attended to. Sir G. CLERK said that to the best of his belief no such intimation had been given to those Companies - by the Board of Trade. In answer to an Hort. MEMBER, Sir G. CLERK said that the House should have an opportunity of seeing that the Board of Trade had acted independently of any pri va t e i n t eres t. Mr. ORSMAN wished to know:whether there would be any objection that the letter written by Mr. Lefevre to the Secretary of the Treasury, and his answers thereto, should be laid upon the table. Sir G. CLERK said that if the Hon. Member referred to the Minute of the Board of Trade of the 6th of August, which had been laid upon the table of the House, he would find there all the information relative to the correspondenc with the Treasury. Mr. HORSNIAN said, that all he had asked was, whether there was any objection to lay the letters on the table of the House. Sir G. CLERK said ho wonld make an inquiry on the subject, and answer the question to-morrow. NEW ZEALAND. Mr. G. W. HOPE laid on the table of the House cer tain papers with respect to New Zealand. Mr. C. BULLER understood that the Government limited the papers from the Colonial-office to the period of the present session. Mr. G. W. HOPE said the whole correspondence was before the House, and if any of the papers were required ho had no objection to produce them. expense he would get permission to do so from the Hoard of Ordnance.—(Laughter.) In fact, there was scarce a week passed that lie did not receive letters from parties proposing destructive missiles of all sorts — (Laughter)—and at various amounts, from 200,0001. down to 50L—(Laughter.) The motion that the house do then go into Com mittee on the Customs' Duties Bill was then read, upon which Mr. MONCKTON AIILNES understood that at the present stage of the measure he could not bring forward his motion on the subject of basket rods. Beint., , a young Member, and not well acquainted with the rules of the House, he had thought that he might do so. He would, however, move the alteration in the Biil itself at the proper time. fallen into the error of supposing that he had an interest in sheep, or that he wanted grease for sheep. He had never said anything which could lead to such a supposi tion, nor had he, in the slightest degree, advocated the interest of the agriculturist. He depended a good deal upon land, but, nevertheless, since the first time he had held a seat in that House, he had always voted with the Hon. Member on his motion for a repeal of the corn-laws. Mr. BRAMSTON withdrew his motion. Mr. COBI)EN, however, wished to take a division on it. He was, however, not supported, and the motion was withdrawn. The item wss then agreed to. On the item being put for the admission of raw and tanned hides at a reduced duty, . _ Sergeant MURPHY said lie had been requested by a number of tanners, who carried on business in Cork, to oppose this reduction, because it would give the fo reigner an advantage over the British manufacturer. It would only put one-sixteenth of a halfpenny into the po2ket of the English tanner, while they gave the f© reigner the difference of the whole twopence, the proposed amount of duty to be imposed on these articles. There were peculiar circumstances affecting the trade of this country which rendered it advisable that the reduction should be postponed for the present. Most of the British manufacturers imported hides largely from South America and the district of the River Plate ; and owing to the present disputes between Buenos Ayres and Monte Video, they were compelled to pay an addi tional expense of 30 per cent. upon all articles they im ported. Then, again, the American tanner had an ad vantage of being able to get bark almost for nothing, or, at all events, much cheaper than the British manufac turer; while in Belgium the tanner's labour was about half the price what it was in England or Ireland. He should, therefore, move that the item bo postponed. Mr. GLADSTONE had heard a, similar statement made i❑ 1843, when the whole question relating to the disputes in the district of the River Plate was fully discussed, and, he believed, satisfac torily settled. He thought it was advisable to try the experiment of admitting a great number of articles, these being simply articles of raw materials, or materials in the tirst stage of manufacture, into this country, free of duty, and the question now to be con sidered was, whether this particular article was one which might be safely freed. Now, for his part, he thought it was, and he would tell them why. The positive ruin of the tanning trade was predicted when the reduction was made in the duty in 1842. Previous to that time the duties varied from 61 to Is. Oid., and it was then reduced in some instances to 10d. What had been the effect of this change ? Why, in the first year, there were 55,0001b5. of tanned leather brought into this country, and in the second year the 55,0001b5. had fallen to 30.0001bs.—(clear, hear.) This proved clearly that the foreigners could not stand their ground in the British market. But the advantage which resulted to this country from the reduction of 1842, was more ma nifestly shown in the returns of the importation of raw hides. Since the Act of 1842, the importation of raw hides had increased by 200,000 while the importation of tanned leather had only increased by 30,0001b5., or about 15,000 cwts. Under these circum stances, he did not think there was any ground for the motion of the Hon. and Learned Member. Mr. AGLIONBY had also been requested by some of his constituents to oppose this item ; but after the address of the Hon. and Learned Member for Cork, he should refrain from going into any lengthened state ment. He begged, however, to remind the Committee and the Government that this was not an article in the first stage of manufacture, but it was an article which was, to all intents and purposes, considered by the Bri tish manufacturer in a finished state. Sir R. PEEL was confident, from what he had gleaned from a deputation which had come up from Liverpool to wait upon him respecting this subject, that the British manufacturer had an infinite advantage over the foreigner. Indeed he examined the two qualities of leather, and this had cleared up every doubt he might have had upon the point.—(Hear, hear.) Since the year 1841, burdens which pressed upon the tanner had been removed to the extent of 100,0001., and he could not understand what that body had to complain of. It was said they removed the protective duties of the manufacturer, but never touched those which bore upon agriculture. Now this was not so, for they did not propose to do away with the duty on bark to benefit the tanner.—(Hear, and cheers.) The advantages the tanners had had was not less than 100,000/. He hoped the House would not think they were exposing the home manufacturer of leather to corn. petition, if they allowed the free importation of that article. He was sure the tanning trade were perfectly able to bear competition with any country. Lord HOWICK believed that the fear of competition was imaginary, and was surprised to hear the advocates of free trade asking for protection upon such an article as leather. For himself, he should always vote for the removal of any protective duty. He believed the tan ners in this country were perfectly able to compete with any country in the world. Every facility given to mutual exchange with all nations extended commerce, and was attended with universal good. Dr. BOWRING could see no necessity for continuing a protective duty on tanned leather. Mr. MURPHY would not press the subject after what had fallen from the Right Hon. Baronet at the head of the Government and the Noble Lord the Member for Sunderland. Mr. GREENE then ordered strangers to withdraw, upon which Mr. Sergeant Murphy left the House amid much laughter. Sir G. GREY said if a division took place he should certainly support the proposition of the Government. Strangers were then ordered to withdraw and the Com mittee divided, when there appeared— For the remission of the duty Against it. Majority The proposition of the Government for the remission of the duty was consequently carri«l. On our admission into the gallery, we found Mr. GROGAN on his legs, moving that lard be omit ted from the list of articles upon which it was proposed that the Customs duties should be repealed. Every Eng lish farmer was interested in the question; and especially was every Irish peasant and small farmer affected by the Government proposal. Although the duty of 2s. per cwt. might appear small, to persons of small means the matter was important. The loss of a protection of 2s. per cwt. to the home producer, would be a serious one to particular classes. Sir G. CLERK did not think that any case had been made out for rejecting the Government proposal. This was au article of great importance to the manufac turers of this country. A new application of this article had been discovered which rendered the alteration particularly desirable. By the exhaus tion of oil from lard, it would be of great utility in many of the finer branches of machinery. Looking at the experience of the last two years, he was convinced that no injury would be inflicted upon any class of the community, if the House sanctioned the proposed change.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. M. GIBSON supported the Government proposal. Mr. NEWDEGATE said the people of the United States anticipated that they would be able to make lard one of their staple commodities. It was impossible that the producers of this country could compete with those of the United States, when the latter had such facilities as they were known to have for the production of hogs. Colonel WYNDHAM said he could not refrain from expressing his sentiments on the question before the House. He considered the manufacturing represents - tives to be like jacks in the box, presenting themselves to the disgust of the country.—(Laughter.) Although the representative of an agricultural constituency, he could not go with the ultra party—(Hear) — who were constantly forcing themselves on the notice of the community.—(llear, hear.) When the Right Hoe. Baronet (Sir R. Peel) brought forward these measures—and very great measures they were—and the agricultural interest would, lie believed, profit by them as well as every other interest in this country— one of his ultra Friends said to him, at the conclusion of the Right Hon. Baronet's speech, " We are all in distress; what is there for us?" His immediate reply was, "There's nothing for you."—(Great laugh ter.) " Let me tell you " (continued the Ho nourable Member, with almost dramatic action), " that besides Parliament, you have at this p time three other houses sitting. You have the Conciliation hum bug in Dublin—(Laughter)—the Anti-Corn-law League in Covent-garden Theatre, and the Proh-Pudor House of Commons in Bond-street.--(Great laughter.) I speak here to my constituents and to the country—l am now in a position of self-defence—l have been driven into it, and now the sword is drawn.—(The remainder of the sentence was lost amidst roars of laughter.)— Here we have this protection society, the members of which are all noblemen and Members of Parliament. They issue their dictates to the minor associations in the country, and these minor associations take, I contend, a very great liberty upon themselves with respect to us.— (Laughter.) Ido not bait one inch of my adherence to the agricultural interest, but I never will be one of those ultra-gentlemen whom I have described. Let me take an instance of an agricultural society.—(Hear, hear.) I have received a letter from one. Now I entertain great respect for my county and my constituents, and I will do everything which I can for them ; but, can it be supposed by any person who has two ideas in his head, that a farmer—a farmer who is entirely among his turnip-field, his sheep, and his barns, can have a com prehensive view of what is proper to be done for the country ?—(Tremendous laughter.) A person writes up to me, and says, Vote for Mr. Miles.' I reply, ' I won't vote for Mr. Miles.'—(Renewed laughter.) Let me tell such persons that I will not vote for any man or any measure at their dictation.—(Hear, hear.) I have been in the House ever since 1841, sad I consider that I have don© my duty.—(Hear, hear.) I am not speaking to you, gentlemen—l am addressing my con stituents.—(Laughter.) I have done my duty—l say honestly, conscientiously, and to the best of my ability ; and when my constituents find fault with me, or discoverho will a person of greater talent—as they easily may— w do their business better than my self, I shall be happy to resign the representation into their hands—(Hear, hear) —but lbe d ti c t e a v t e e r a a to s l b o y n s the p I ho r ote e l d a t on s eat Societynthii n s l o o n u d s e, Ni street, 11 v or by any agricultural society in the country.—(Hear, hear.) Now, let us analyse that Bond-street Protection Society.—(Hear and laughter.) There are a number of country gentlemen in that society, several members of Parliament, and many noblemen and men of the highest station and rank in the country. They issue their mandates to the minor societies.—(" Hear, hear," from the Opposition benches.) Here is my Lord Duke pulling the strings behind the scenes ; and all these little goes are got up to personate agricultural represen tatives.—(Great laughter.) It strikes me that these gentlemen are something like Polyphemus, they have but one eye in their head—they can see nothing but a turnip field.—(hear, hear, and bursts of laughter.) What I mean is, they can see nothing in the world but their single interest."—( Hear, hear, and laughter.) The Hon. and Gallant Member concluded by stating that he should support the proposal under the consideration of the House. PENANG SUGAR. Mr. RORSMAN, seeing tha Noble Lord opposite (Lord Jocelyn) in his place, wished to ask him whether any measures had bee.-1 adopted for placing Penang sugar on the same footing as sugar the growth of the East Indies ? The sugar growers of Penang were subjected to very great hardships. Some years since an Act had passed authorising the importa tion of sugar, the produce of the East Indies, at the lowest rate W 7 duty. The planters of Penang had been induced to invest a large amount of capital in the culti vation of sugar in consequence, imagining that their sugar would be admitted at the same rate, but that pri vilege bad hitherto been confined to sugars the produce of the territories of the East India Company. Repre sentations had been made to the Board of Controul on the subject, and the heads of that department had pro mised to send out instructions to the Governor-General of India on the subject. This was a year ago, but, as yet, the merchants of Penang had received no communi cation on the subject. A deputation from the mer chants and planters of Penang had waited on the Board of Trade, and on the Board of Controul, in reference to the subject. They had been graciously received, and had been dismissed with assurances that their case should be taken into consideration. Now, he wished to ask the Noble Lord if the case of the merchants of Penang had been taken into the consideration of the Board of Control, and if any instructions on the subject had been transmitted to the Governor-General of India. Lord JOCELYN said that on coming into office he had found the draft of a dispatch to the Governor-Ge neral in Council, strongly recommending the claims of the merchants and planters of Penang to the reconsidera tion of the Government of Bengal. The claims which were set up were, as the Hon. Gentleman hag stated, permission to introduce sugar the produce of those set tlements into that country, on the same advantage which other territories of British India enjoyed. Within the last few days a communication had been received, in which it was stated that the Governor-General in Council had taken into consideration the recommenda tion of the Home Government, and he had referred the matter to the Governor of Penang, to prevent the intro duction of sugar of foreign growth. No further com munication had been received. CUSTOMS' ACT. The House then went into Committee on the Customs' Act. Mr. Greene in the chair. On the article of grease being read, Mr. BRA MSTON said it was his intention to move that the article of grease should be taken out of the list of duties to be repealed, and that the duty should remain as at present. lie would move that grease be omitted from the tariff ; because, if it were let in duty-free, it would injure the protection which the farmer at present enjoyed for his butter.—(A laugh.) Sir JOHN TYRRELL seconded the motion. Sir GEORGE CLERK felt sure the Right Hon. Gen tleman did not understand the nature of the article "grease." It was a thing mixed with tar, and altoge ther unfit for human food.—(lronioal cheers from the Opposition benches.) The importation would be a boon to the farmer, for such grease was very much used in the dressing of sheep, in order to preserve them from the injurious influences of the weather. Every precaution would be taken by the Custom-house officers that no other grease should come in but that contem - phtted by the tariff.—(" Hear, hear," from the Opposi tion.) He could not :tell what Hon. Members opposite meant by their cheers, for which he thought there was no good reason. Mr. WARD said that the Right Hon. Baronet seemed to have altogether mistaken the nature of the cheers of his lion. Friends on that side of the House, and went on to argue quite unconscious of their tendency. Nothing could be more delightful than the explanation of the Right Hon. Baronet. lie (Sir G. Clerk) assured the House,with the greatest earnestness, that nothing which could by any possibility be converted into the food of the poor man would be admitted.—(Hear, hear.) As one connected with land, he (Mr. Ward) begged to be spared such advocacy as that of the Right Hon. Baronet. When Hon. Members treated England as if they were talking of a beleaguered town, he could well understand them, and though he might condemn, he would perhaps admire their boldness, but when they came to these miserable dirty monopolies—(Hear, hear)- -he felt thoroughly disgusted at such narrow-minded opposition. The ancient feudal barons laid whole dis tricts under contribution. There was something noble in that; but the conduct of those who would now repre sent the great agricultural interest, resembled that of an " area sneak"—the most contemptible animal in mo dern civilisation,—(Hear, and cheers.) Mr. BORTHWICK said the opposition of Hon. Members on his side of the House to the remission of duty on those articles would bring protection into con tempt, and he hoped those sweet little cherubs who sat in the gallery above, would, like little birds, carry his sentiments to the country.—(Great laughter.) Nothing could be more unreasonable than such opposition, and there was not a single farmer in the country who would support the lion. Member in his motion. Sir JOHN TYRRELL said the whole effect of the proposed change in the tariff would be injurious to the agricultural interest; but he did not wish to occupy their attention with frivolous discussions, and would not divide the House on this occasion. The Hon. Member for Evesham had, however, fired off the speech which he intended to discharge the other night—(Laughter) — but this " explosion in his rear" did not in the least disturb him.—(Great laughter.) The lion. mover of the address had then congratulated the country on the fact, that pig iron had risen to 16/. a ton, but now the Right Hon. Baronet wished to lower the price of pig meat. — (Laughter.) If pig iron had risen, pig meat was to be reduced, and he confessed he did not think this a very fair result. But there was now a much less consump tion for conservative articles generally.—(Laughter.) He would not inflict a speech upon the House, as there would be other opportunities of discussing this matter. Mr. BRIGHT said, that while the Hon. Baronet had spoken in a tone of lamentation, the Hon. Member for Evesham (Mr. Borthwick) had come to the Govern. ment's assistance, with an earnestness which he trusted would be fully appreciated by them.—(Laughter.) He confessed there was nothing which he thought so likely to bring the agricultural interest into contempt as the arg uments that were advanced by its supporters.— (Hear, hear.) In another place, to which he might not perhaps be allowed to allude, one noble individual had arrogated to himself the title of a coroneted fishmonger, and in this House, among other Honourable Gentlemen, they had one who came forward to represent the willow interest.—(Laughter.) He thought that the agricultural supporters greatly mistook their own interests in ob jecting to the importation of a little butter. There were other persons having cupboards besides the Hon. Mem ber for Essex, and unlike him there were too many with but little to put into them. Why should he interfere with the cupboards of the poorer population, and restrict the few comforts they might otherwise possess? They might rely upon it that without an increased trade they would soon have the miseries and the inconveniences of an increased pauperism. —(Hear, hear.) The Right lion. Baronet at the head of the Government bad always been looked upon as the friend of the agricul turists. They had placed him in the proud position he then occupied, and a little advice from him might therefore be expected to do wonders with them. If he would but take himself, and induce them also to take a step in the right direction, he (Mr. Bright) then thought that on all those questions they might come to a satisfactory conclusion—to a result creditable to the House and pleasing to the country. He trusted that the lion. Member for Pontefract (Mr. M. Milnes) would allow the question to go on without pressing his amendment. Mr. M. MILNES sail that it was not customary for lion. Members on that (the Conservative) side of the House to reprove Members on the other side, when they brought forward questions referring to the manufactur ing interests, He did not see that he should be reproved because ho had brought forward a matter on which he supposed he knew something, and which interfered with the labour of some thousands of persons in the growing districts. The lion. Member's object seemed to be to gain some small degree of popularity, by throw ing obloquy on Hon. Gentlemen, whose motives were as pure as his own. Mr. AGLIONBY thought that instead of expediting the resolutions in this Bill, they were protracting the settlement of the question by their personal allusions. He trusted that Hon. Members who supported the agri cultural interest would concede the admission of grease, at a reduced rate of duty, because sheep farmers, possess ing thousands of sheep in the falls of Westmorland and in Scotland, would derive a vast benefit from such a re duction, for it was by no means uncommon to expend some two, three, or it might be 400 /. a year in the pur chase of grease for what they called " serving sheep." After a few words from Mr. EwART and Mr. DARBY, Mr. C. VILLIERS could not, in this case, join in the recommendation of the lion. Member for Cockermouth to the Hon. Member for Essex, for he certainly thought that that Hon. Member had as good a right to object to the doing away with the duty on grease as any other Hon. Member. They had had, in that discussion, a practical illustration of the working of the protective duties.—(Hear, hear.) An lion. Member came forward and said that they were protecting one country against another.—(Laughter.) That meant, certainly, that they were robbing the one country to assist the other — (Laughter)—but each would willingly end the quarrel, provided each might with impunity rob the general public.—(Laughter.) The Hon. Member for Cocker mouth wished that grease should be imported at a lower duty, because he wished it for sheep in Westmorland. But the lion. Member for Essex did not wish to see grease imported at a cheap duty, for he had it to sell — (Continued laughter)—and thus it was that the man of sheep recommended the man of grease not to divide the House. He thought the whole system a robbery on the community, but Hon. Members might, as they pleased, take the sense or nonsense of the Ho use u p on the subject. After a few words from Sir W. JAMES, Mr. AGLIONBY had no objection to Hon. Members being jocose, so long as they did not impugn the reputa tion of individuals. He had a character to maintain with the public, who might misunderstand what the Hon. Member for Wolverhampton had said of him in a jocular mode, and he, therefore, was anxious to correct the Hon. Member in the interpretation of what he had said. The Hon. Member for Wolverhampton had evidently miscon ceived everything he had said, or he could not have CAPTAIN WARNER. Lord INGESTRE, in answer to a question from Mr. Somes, with respect to the invention of Captain Warner, said, that he had re ceived a letter from that gentleman, in which he stated that with respect to his discovery he had no desire that any direct application should be made for a further com mission, as they led him to nothing but disappointment. He was willing to abide by the challenge that had been given him, and to demonstrate at his own expense the efficacy of his inv ention to him (Lord Ingestre), the Master of the Ordnance, the Prime Minister, and the Commander-in-Chief if it should b e w i s h e d, an d no others.—(Laughter.) His only clgsire was, that the efficacy of his powers might be made known to the Crown. And he would then leave it to them to say, whether an invention that would blow up any fleet that attempted to invade such an island as Great Britain would not be of service to the Government of this country. That was the substance of the letter, part of which he had read, and, therefore, there was no need of his dwel ling further on the subject. But while he was upon it, he would just take the liberty of asking the Right Hon. Baronet what had become of the two or three letters that had been addresse d to him on this subject by Cap tain Warner ? He hoped there would be . no objection to lay them on the table. Sir R, PEEL said that he had received no letters from Captain Warner which he could have the least objection to lay before the House ; and, the re f ore , if hi s N o bl e Friend had given him notice of it, he would at once have made the letters official, for he believed there was no wish of any department to suppress them ; but he had heard that one or two letters from Captain Warner had been mislaid.—(Hear, hear.) Lord INGESTRE said that the letters lie alluded to were those which were of importance to Captain War ner, and in some measure affected hi s c h aracter . Sir R. PEEL said it was not his fault that all the letters had not been laid upon the table ; but if there were any to be found they should be b roug h t f orwar d. Sir C. NAPIER wished to know did C apta i n W arner ' s " long range" define an y distance? — (Laughter.) Lord INGESTRE understood that Captain Warner would undertake that he could destroy a ship at a dis tance of five miles. Sir C. NAPIER then would hope that the Right Hon. Baronet would permit Captain Warner . to try this expe riment, at his own expense, behind the Goodwin Sands. Sir R. PEEL had no doubt but that if Captain Warner did intend to make the experiment at his own Lord A. LENNOX said he would not have risen hut for the extraordinary speech which had just been deli vered. Ile could not suppose that his Hon. and Gallant Friend had meant to insult those who had returned him to Parliament, but he did not think the Sussex farmers were likely to elect him again a:, their representative.— (Hear, hear.) Mr. WARD said, as one who was himself connected with land, he felt that it was a degradation of that inte rest that the time of the House should be taken up by discussing these miserable little monopolies.—(Hear.)— He had presented their petitions, but always said he would not support them. He had never curried favour with his constituents. The Hon. Baronet the Member for Essex had twitted him with deserting the landed in terest ; it was true he belonged to that interest—what little he had was bound up in it. But he believed that the course which that interest was now pursuing was not calculated to benefit them at all. He could not but express his contempt—he meant in a Parliamentary sense—(Laughter)—of those who were upholding this course—who name forward with these beggarly mea sures instead of boldly advocating those which were large and comprehensive in their nature. If he held the v:ews of Hon. Gentlemen opposite, ho would vote to morrow for the repeal of the Corn Bill and the Canada- Corn Bill. The course which those Honourable Gentlemen were pursuing was throwing eternal disgrace upon their party. They opposed the introduction of lard, simply because there was one country which could produce it better and cheaper than any other country in the world. That was one reason why they should go there ; and he believed that the peasantry would be greatly benefited by the repeal of this duty, and he, therefore. gave his cordial support to the Government. Sir JOIIN TYHRELL said the Hon. Gentleman who had just sat down had made two vituperative speeches - against the agriculturiAs . He had only fol lowed the example of the lion. Member for Northamp ton, who had imputed to that interest the basest and most beggarly motives. He (Sir J. Tyrrell) had thought that it was understood at the beginning of the evening that they were not to discuss principles, but confine them elves to details, yet, notwithstanding this, Member after Member had indulged in vituperative language ; and he did not, therefore, feel that he was justified in remaining silent. The Hon. Member for Sussex had made a speech whieli was very amusing. He (Sir John Tyrrell) had partaken very largely in that amusement. lie thought he had seen the li.m. Member occupying a very conspicuous place at the Freemasons' Tavern, and he thought that there was some little inconsistency in the course which the Hon. Gentleman had adopted, but he did not think that inconsistency was confined to the other side of the House. In researches which he had lately made, he found that the lion. Member for Wol verhampton (Mr. Villiers), who dealt so largely in accusing the landed interest of participating in public plunder—to his very great surprise, he found that the Hon. Member was in the possession of a situation in that sink of iniquity, the Court of Chan cery, and blest with the possession of a large salary. Now that situation must be a sinecure, seeing that the Hon. Member's time must be almost wholly occupied by the Anti-Corn-law Leage. Now why did not the Hon. Member apply his free-trade principles there ? No doubt that office could be performed for 500/. a year, instead of 1,0001. ; and under these circumstances he must say that the Hon. Gentleman's principles and prac tice were much opposed. He (Sir J. Tyrrell) had no hesitation in saying, with respect to the protection societies, that they were a great libel on a Conserva tive Administration. He thought that the Right Honourable Baronet would derive much advan tage from the study of some speeches of the lion. Member for Stockport, for he would there find that the object of that Hon. Gentleman, and those with whom he was connected, was to displace some of the ornaments of that House, and to bring in, for instance, the Brights and Cobdens, and to displace the Egertons—that was the prospect which the agricultural interest had to look forward to. He would be glad to hear the principles of protection fairly and boldly discussed. Mr. VILLIERS inquired sshy the Hon. Gentleman did not do so. The Hon. Gentleman had already made two speeches that night, but not one word had been said in justification of protection, and what was the charge he had brought against him (Mr. Villiers)? He (Mr. Villiers) had never imputed base motives to any one— he had merely stated what was the effect of the law— and it was no answer to him to bring the charge which the Honourable Gentleman bad that night made when he said that he (Mr. Villiers) held a place in the Court of Chancery. The Hon. Gentleman said that place was a sinecure. It was not. Was not a man worthy of his hire? If it was net a sinecure, why could he not hold it ? It was no sinecure ; he was paid fur his work. He did it ; and he told the lion. Gentleman that the Hon. Gentleman was paid for work he did not do. — (Laughter.) lie came to that House to get paid. The landed interest passed a law to swell their rent-rolls; and in this opinion he was supported by the highest authorities. That law was to provide settlements and maintenance for younger children. Now, what did they do in return for that? If they did anything, let them show it. He (Mr. Villiers) did something in return for his office, and he would venture to say that it could not be done for less than was paid. lie wanted to know what the landed interest had done? They benefited their property without working. If they were to be de prived of that property, he would pity their condition. He would recommend the Hon. Member for Essex not to deal in personalities, for it could never be looked upon as answering the public in favour of the present corn-law. Mr. S. O'BRIEN said that the object of Hon. Gentle men opposite was to get every thing cheap ; but the question of cheapness was not the only question which they had to consider. There were many other conside rations to be entered into. With respect to protection societies, he could only say that if any attempt were made at coercion in any society to which he belonged he would resist it at once. lie could not but regret the personal turn which the discussion hal taken. Mr. COBDEN said the lion. Gentleman had laid down the principles of the free traders as that of cheap ness. Ile (Mr. Cebden) would venture to correct the phraseology of the lion. Gentleman. The free-traders desired to obtain the greatest possible abundance of all those articles which were essential to the comfort of ma*. If by cheapness the Hon. Gentleman recant abundance, then they were perfectly agreed. Now, if the object of the free-traders was to obtain abundance, then that of the Hon. Gentleman opposite must be to produce scarcity.—(No, no.) Then what was it ? Dearness and scarcity were the same thing. Was not the iniquity of the present system apparent when those who advo cated it did not dare to face their own principles? A change, however, was coming over Hon. Gentlemen op posite. A gis titer change had come over themwithin,the last two months than had previously taken place in two years. This was shown by the exhibition which the Hon. Baronet the Member for Essex had indulged in that night. It must be a bad case indeed which required personalities for its support.—(Hear, hear.) The Hon. Member for Lancashire could, no doubt, sit in that House as long as he liked, for he was one of the most consistent of his party, and one of that lion. Mem ber's arguments was, that lard was necessary for the use of the manufacturers of Lancashire, and that, therefore, English manufactured lard should be protected. But he (Mr. Cobden) begged to say that those manufacturers did not consume lard, because they were paid well enough to enable them to use butter; but it was the farmer and agricultural labourers who, from their low rate of wages, could not afford to use butter, were cont. pelled to buy lard.—(Hear, hear.) Well, now, he would ask, was it not deplorable to think that lion. Members, who were so anxious for the welfare of the farmers, or who professed to be such, would not 'allow this article to come into the country at a cheap rate ?—(Hear, hear.) But many of those agricultural Members opposite :who were such advocates for protec tion, had not said a word upon this subject, but left the defence of it to be carried on by the Hon. Member for Essex in personalities.—(Cheers.) Now, suppose be (Mr. Cobden) was to go down to Lancashire to-morrow, what would the constituents say to him of those lion. Members who would not let them have cheap lard while they could not afford butter ?—(llear, bear.) Why they would stare at him with astonishment, and ask him could such be the fact.—(Laughter.) But to be serious, he would say to the advocates of protection opposite that whether they gained nothing or whether they gained 10,0001. individually a year by it, they should not sup port a protective duty on this article of universal Con sumption.— (Hear, hear.) Mr. DARBY was sorry that this subject had created such a prolonged discussion, and he begged to assure the Hon. Member for Stockport, that lion. Members on his side of the House had just as much to complain of— with regard to the language that had been used.— ' (Hear, hear.) As far as he (Mr. Cobden) was con cerned, he would say, that upon any occasion when subjects of this sort were brought forward, he would vote upon them as he conceived his duty called upon him to do.—(Bear, hear.) He begged to remind the Hon. Member for Stockport of the principle laid down by Mr. Huskisson, which was to this effect, as applied to the article of lard, that he (Mr. Huakis son) was anxious that the working people should have cheap lard, if produced by manufacturers in this coun try ; but in order to prevent these manufacturers bein g damaged, he would prevent the importation of the foreign article by a protecting duty. The Hon. Member then countryco n t end e h d y t h t h a e t injury removalh a o d f b t e h e done en duty t o o n t hetrades raw w hidesf and bark, and that the same results would follow the pr esen t proposition. Sir R. PEEL said lie could not help expressing his regret that the discussion he had been li s t en i ng to had arisen on this subject, although no doubt a large and not unnecessary amount of interest was attached to it. But he could not help saying that some Hon. Member& opposite him, had done injustice to Hon. Members be hind him.—(Hear, hear.) Let him here observe, that a great deal of forbearance had been exhibited by lion. Members on his side ett of the house,gttheu n t moment • oh theymil while ncame going the t t to hrou th g e h t i h t:m tar o i f lf o he ton ot • gist rn t removal of the duty on that ' article came to be dis cussed, although it was then one o'clock in the morning, it was suggested that this was an item of so much im portance that it should be postponed; and he (Sir R. Peel) should say that that was so reasonable a propo sition that he at once assented to it, in order that public attention might be called to it.—(Hear, hear.) How ever, that had been now set at rest, and he had no doubt but that its operation would be found effectual.—(Hear.) And now he would come to this item of lard; in regard to this he would say his impression was, that very great benefits to the people of this country would follow the removal of the duty on this article. Some observations bue had been made against such a proposition; th felt so convinced of its ultimate utility that he had deemed it right to propose it s removal, p articularly when he res 'ected the great a dvanta g e that would follow.the e me l a . sure, to the manufac turin g p ortion of the com m i s . n i tys _(llear, hear.) On these grounds he . hoped lion. Members at his side of the House 'would not persevere in their opposition, while, at the same time, he could not sit down without congratulating lion. Members opposite on their having so well ,avoided the use of' personalities. i "14- I