The Sun. — London, England, 1850-05-03 00:00:00

[The following appeared in our Third Edition of kat night :—] ITALY. A. letter from Rome of the 21st ult., in the Nazio nale of Florence, states that an encyclic letter, ad dressed by the Pope to the bishops, is in the press, as also the concession of a Council of State, a new system of municipalities, and a pastoral letter to ali th4generals of the religious orders. GERMANY. The Vienna papers of the 27th ult. mention cer tain plans which the Emperor is asserted to entertain respecting the increase and efficiency of the Austrian fleet. It is intended within the next 10 years to raise that fleet to six vessels of the line, six frigates, and a proportionate number of smaller craft, and to establish dockyards at Pola and Trieste. The ex perm of this plan is estimated at 80,000,000 florins. The latest calculations show that, notwithstanding the large sales of the last year, there are no less than 120,000,000 of Austrian stock in the hands of foreign holders, chitfly in Holland, Frankfort, Basle, and Augsburg. Holland especially has large quantities of Austrian paper, for that country sells tobacco to the Austrian Government. From the Austrian and Italian papers we learn that the members of the Order of the Society of Jesus have been publicly and officially recalled to the Austrian dominions. The Verona papers publish Itadetzky's brevet c f i n stallation which he granted j to the members of the order ; similar measures are taken in the other provinces. A large college, like to that of Freiburg, is about to be established in Bohemia, and missions, chiefly for educational purposes, are being founded in Prague, Oimutz, Bud weiis, Linz, Wiener Neustadt, Gratz, Salzburg, Cilli, Innsbruck, Bregenz, Trent, Gorz, Agram, Zara, Arad, Pesth, Lemberg, and Krakau. Tha Berlin papers of the 28th ult. assert that the Prussian Government has informed the other mem ber: of the League, that on the whole it sees no objection why it should not assent to the resolutions cf the Erfurt Parliament, respecting the revision of the Constitution of the League, and that it is left to the other Governments to prefer any objections they may have to make. Baron Radowitz, it is asserted, is instructed to in:le a similar declaration to the Ad mi&strative Council. The National Zeitung of the 29th ascerts that a general order has been issued, instructing the soldiers to take off the German cockade, and threatening them with arrest if they should venture to disobey the order. It is stated by other Berlin papers that the soldiers divested themselves of the German cockade amidst loci cheering and various other signs of satis f3(2,ion. The same news of a general order abolishing that cockade has reached us from Hanover. The Berlin papers endeavour to establish a con nexion between this general order, between the pro rogation of the Erfurt Parlilment, and the simul taneous !'withdrawal of the Russian and Austrian troops from the Prussian frontier. LAW INTELLIGENCE. COURT OF .EXCHE UEI,, May 2. (Sit!in4s at Nisi Priu3, at:Westanuster,before Mr. Baron ALDERSON and a Common Jury.) lIARMSWORTH V. SOLOMON& This was ar - k --- a;.ion to recover compensation in, damiges for false. imprisonment. Mr. Martin, Mr. E. James, and Mr. Bramwell ap .peared for the. plaintiff, and the defence was conducted' by Mr. M. Chambers and Finn. Mr. MARTIN Atared the case to thekiry. The plaintiff was a young girl, aged 16, and the chleldant, Abraham Sotornons, was a furrier, carrying on business at 3, Li . .tic Britain, and the action was bought to re cover danaas for false imprisonment on the Ist of 1 1 0.1ritary bat, when the plaintiff, at the instance of the deienrlarsr, warn taken into custody, and detained at the station.-h' nse ell night, but was riischarged on being br.ught before the Alderman, at Guildhall, on the fol lowing morning. If the fscti which he should state were proved in evidence, this would turn out to be one of the grossest proceedings which had ever been dis clo:,eJ in a court of justice, more especially as it had been taken und:x the guise of the law. The plaintiff, who was an orphan girl, had lived in Hampshire until the end of last year. She then came to London an 1 entered the service of the defendant as a domestic aervAnt, and 'lon afterwards his son Joseph commenced making suit in ber; and on a Sunday night, or on a Idenday morning in that month, she found him in her bedroom. What took place there was not material, but she complained next day to two famale friends on the sub ject, but by their advice the matter was allowed to pass over, an 1 she-remained in defendaLt's house until that day week, when, aceording to her statement, he again entered her rood at night, stupified her by plsciag something over her mouth, and succeeded in violating her person. She coinmunicated the circumstance to his mother. The jury would see in what way she was treated. The next step in the transaction was to call in a policeman named Web), to whom the son, it seemed, went and said his father required him to take a young woman into cust )dy who had stolen a quantity of bank-notes. The police officer attended at the defendant's house; and a(ter some conversation, which would be detailed in evidence, she was given into custody for stealing a ens fur victerine, which the defendant valued at 3s. The iinfortunite girl hereupon fell down oaler knees and. begged the son who had so ill-treated her not to allow her to go to prison, but she was taken to the sta tion-house, and as he had already stated, was locked up in a cell ail night. When brought up at Guildhall next morning she gave her account of the occurrence, and the consequence was, that she Wa: acquitted of the charge, and the yonng man was placed at the bar for having attempted to violate her person. The ease was adjourned until the next Friday, and the prisoner was liberated on bail. The girl was placed in the charge of a Mrs. Bradshaw, and in the meantime re peated applications were made to her to settle the mat ter; and it appeared that a meeting of the parties was held et a public-house in Ilatton-garden, where a written agreement was executed to the effect that, by the. payment of fifty pounds to the girl, she should exonerate the defendant from all claims in respect of the occurrence, and should not appear again at Guildhall against his son. It eppeared that the 50/. was paid to Mrs. Bradshaw. The girl accordingly did not go before the, magistrate at the adjourned examina tion.. but went to Gravesend or Deptford to be out of the way,und the defendant's son took advantage of the op portunity to go abroad, and had not since been heard of, and his recognizances had accordingly been entreated. The brother of the plaintiff, Charles Ilarmsworth, bad seen the report of the examination at Guildhall in a Sunday newspaper, and was determined that the case should be farther investigated. but, as the young man had absconded, he had instituted the present action as her guardian, to recover compensation fur the injury she had sustained in consequence of the false imprisonment. The defence which would be set up was, that the defendant had released himaslf from all liability by entering into the agresaient with the plaintiff, who received the 501. in full satisfaction of any claim in respect of the false im ptisoument, bat as she was under age she was incom petent to be a party t, the agreement, which, therefore, became null and void. 'tlenry Went), one of the City police officers, proved having been requested on the 11th of Fsbrusry, by Joseph Solomons, to go to Ne. 3, Little Britain, as his father had 1 , st some five-pound notes, and suspected the servant. lie asked him why he suspected her, and he said, lheause she was going to leave their service. On Ping to the house in question, he there saw Mr. Solomons, his w if e , hi s d aug h ter, an d hi s son. The son appeared to be about tw .nt four 'ears of age. They said they h a d l ost a silver spoon, - which 3. they suspected the girl had ta k en. The girl was called into the room, and, on being asked h, the defendant where the spoon was, she de c l are d• to God she knew nothing about it. Mrs. Solomons said thespooniecDo was marked •' Abraham Solomons," and she replied, you think if I was go ing to steal a spoon I wou ld take one with a name on it. when there are plenty without any had seen th e notese names upon them?" The defendant then ask e d h er i f which were in the pocket-book, and which his h d it ere declared that she had not. Ile next alluded to, a victi r o son bad found in her room, and wish e d to know s tet. The girl said she had found it in the hole, and thinking that it might be of some use,thatd• taken it up to her room , but as it toned out to be worthless, she placed it again where she had found it. Witness examined the dusthole, and there found the article in question, which he now produced. The vic- tOrine,' which was a miserably small ono, and full of boles, was here exhibited, and excited some amusement in the court. The defendant then gave her into Custody for stealing the victorine . The girl ei ' • t , this would not havehappened had it naitleJ, npt been for Master Joseph." Witness asked her what she meant, and she said " he came into my bed roomeffected my ruin." When witness at night and --- he went down on her waa about to take her away , s knees to the son and said, "For Gods sake, Master ' T v ,""ePh , don't I s t me go to p rison after seducing me." ate replied, " Oh, you Will do anything," and put his handse behind - -- his back and walked up stairs. She added to her herb, pat his me, that about a week ago he came into _ hands over her mouth, and endeavoured to effect her rain, hut she screamed out. and his sister, who slept close by inquired what was the matter, and he replied th at he also said that on t was only calling up the ser v a nt. She be Sund a y previous ' to this conversa tion he came again to her bedroom, put something over her nose, which took t ax.) , her ruin ; and on her senses, and then effected happened,she onlyobseraleng his mother of what had yew Wh en witness wria was a d, " suppose he has not killed nt to tak e h er awa y s he re galed a little, and he obliged to carry her down sta i rs. The age of the plaintiff was ftphaarently about 16 years. She was locked up in a cell with be cause all the other cells were nnoectidr'unken woman, e l:ad, and she seemed of a drunken Sc) agitated that it was thought the woman was better than none at alluiP" t ) The a t th e of t h i; police witness then detailed the proceedi4 A. I" able to hear of court, and said he had a warrant for the: the defendant's son, but had not yet been him. C -- 1 ross-examined by Mr. CHAMBERS—I attended se'Ve ':7-i7>_,... nil times at Guildhall. On the first and second occa s i on --! , -=• , 0,-. 4 r •," plaintiff' was present, bat she did not make her ap. :'nigr, '' .% :-.- - - - ,a '-4,?. if • •s_raece afterwards. I was sent in search of her, and •< . ,Y "7:Nsu t - ,q CAW found her staying with her sister, Mrs. Graves. ?•:•.,..- .?' , ,-.-1 ~i i.. i ~, ; ,, p . , , : :7- 'he Was on the 24th February. I had been looking for -<,f ,.. t6bout a week. I had some conversation with her. I -; :',.....NH'' : ' , ...Y ty - f,ked Fei where she had been, and she said to Gravcs ',,N• ;till ti4th ' Mrs. Bradshaw, who is the landlady of the , 1 ; 7 .:'17;', 2, V V - "'ST , where Mrs. Graves live. I asked her why she Z f tt,,,, 4 31. 4 81, ' . Znt t'ere, and she said in order to get out of the way •-•-' r." of her brothers, who came and wanted the money ,;{ -t • ' she had got. She said she had received 501. from Solo- mons' people, because she should not bring an action for false imprisonment. I told her it was wrong to take the money. I requested her to attend at the police court, but she mid she did not wish to prosecute. She came on the following Tuesday to Guildhall with Mrs. Bradshaw, but as young Solomons was not p resent, the case was adjourned. Evidence in corroboration of the proceedings at the station•house and the police-court having been given, the case for the plaintiff concluded. It was admitted, on the part of the defendant, that the plaintiff was under age. Mr. CHAMBERS, for the defence, said the real plaintiffs in this action were the brothers of the young girl, and the defendant complained of the extortion which they were attempting to practice upon him after he had al ready amply compensated the plaintiff. That their only object was to get money was placed beyond doubt, because it appeared that the plaintiff herself had gone to Gravesend in order to avoid her brothers, who wanted to get a share of the SOL which she had obtained from the defendant. The statement as to the defendant's son having made her insensible with some drug, and then violated her person, was a pure invention for the purpose of exciting the prejudice of the jury against the defendant; but as the defendant had suffered great anguish of mind in consequence of this action, and had given the girl 501. with the view of being exonerated from further liability, he trusted that the jury wuuld not sanction such a pro ceeding as the present by giving a verdict for the plaintiff. The Learned JUDGE having summed up, The jury retired, and after being absent for a consi derable time, returned into court with a verdict for the plaintiff —Damages, 501. SHERIFF'S COURT, May 2. (Before Mr. Under-Sheriff BURCHELL.) PAYNE V. PLOWMAN—SEDUCTION. This was a writ of inquiry to assess the damages in an action brought in the Court of Exchequer to recover compensation for the loss of the services of the plaintiff's daughter, by reason of her seduction by the defendant. Mr. Tetomle appeared for the plaintiff; and in stating the case to the jury, said that his client was Mr. Joseph Payne, a master plumber, glazier, and painter, carrying on business at Bedford, and the defendant was Samuel Plowman, a boot and shoe maker, carrying on business with his father, also at that town. In 1847, the plaintiff's wife died, and he was left a widower, with seven children, of whom the eldest was Emma, the subject of this inquiry, who was then but sixteen years of age; and, upon the decease of her mother the whole care of her brothers and sisters, and of her father's house, devolved upon her, and her services in these respects were of great value to him. Shortly after her mother's death the defendant became acquainted with the family, and he visited ber, avowedly to pay his addresses to her, and afterwards he formally became her suitor, professing the most honourable intentions and the greatest affection, and he regularly visited her at home, with her father's sanction. This continued until 1849, when the plaintiff, to his great grief, discovered that his daughter was eeciente by the defendant, who had overcome her scruples, and accomplished her seduction more than twelve months before, and tie then made great exertion to induce the defendant to marry her, but he continued to make promise after pro mise, disregarding them all, until, on the 7th of December, she gave birth to a child. The defen dant, his mother, and sister visited her during her HI DE se, and the defendant repeatedly hoped that she would soon recover, in order that they might be married ; and when she was well, fully expecting that the defendant really intended to marry her, she actually took the pre limirary steps for the performance of the ceremony at the registrar':. Perceiving that the defendant held back, the plaintiff again urgently request3d him to fulfil the pledge, and the defendant sent him the following letter, which the Learned Counsel characterised as one of the most cool and insolent epistles that could he written under such circumstances, and, considering that it was addressed to the father of the girl he had seduced cad abendoncd, one of the most heartless ever perused. " Jail. 29, 1850. • '' Sir,—ln answer to your request of last night, con cerning either from me, or trying other means, I suppose by that you mean to bring it into court. If you have any regard for your daughter you would not think of such an exposure. As it regards marrying, I decidedly shall not, and for this reason, I am too find of a single life ever to think of such a thing. Without any fur ther treuble on your part or mine, I propose to pay two and-sixpence a week for the child. " I am, Sir, yours, " SAMUEL PLOWMAN. " P.S.—An answer tc-morrow in writing will oblige. " To Mr. Payne." The plaintiff's answer to this communication was the writ in the present action, and no correspondence or conversation had taken place between the parties since. The Learned Counsel concluded by commenting rather warmly on the defendant's conduct. Emma Payne was then called—She proved the faots stated by Mr. Thomas, and the handwriting cf the letter. She stated that it took nearly the whole of her time t , ) attend to her baby, and she was entirely dependent upon her father. tier father had had to engage a person to perform the domestic duties she discharged after her mother's death. Evidence was given as to the expenses incurred. The defendant did not appear. The Learned UNDER SHERIFF, in Rimming up, re marked that the defendant's letter was certainly au ag gravation of the conduct Ile had been guilty of, and told the jury that they ought to take, as an ekaaent in their estimation of the dam3ges, the outraged and injurv.;.l feelings of the p. rent at tile less of the services of a good and virtuous cLughter. The jury gave a verdict for 601 INSOLVENT DEBTORS' COURT, May 2. The insolvency business of this court to•dsy was 110 t if a nature to intereJt the public. (113 fore Mr. Commiiiioner PHILLIPS.) BUCHANAN V. TURNER. This was a summons under the Small Debts Act, calling upon the defendant to show cause why he should not be committed for non-payment of 21. 13s. debt, and 111. 13s. costs. The plaintiff is an attorney. The plaintiff's clerk asked that the summons should be adjourned, that he might represent to his employer the distressed condition of the defendant, who, he be lieved, was not in a position to pay anything. Air. Commissioner PaILLIPS asked why the plaintiff had not brought his action in the County Court, where the costs, even if the case had been defended, would not have been one-third of the present amount? The clerk said that Mr. Buchanan had the right, and used his privilege, to sue in the Court of Common Pleas, to avoid the bother of the County Court. The costs had been increased by the defendant's conduct in pleading to the acti on. Mr. Commissioner PHILLIPS thought that was all sophistry; the costs were monstrous in proportion t) the debt. It was not a case in which he felt inclined to ren der much assistance, and, therefore, as the plaintiff was not personally in attendance, he should dismiss the summons. POLICE INTELLIGENCE. MANSION-HOUSE. Matthias Martinez Debrio was brought before Alder man Gibbs for final examination upon the charge of hav ing stolen a 501. note, a 301. note, and a quantity of gold dust, the property of Mr. Strutt, purser in the Royal Mail Steam-packet Company's service. Mr. Hobler at tended for the prisoner. The following was the additional evidence adduced upon the occasion:— Richard Adye Bailey, clerk in the Accountant's-office in the Bank of England, said—l produce a 501. Bank of England note, dated the 6th of September, 1849, No. 17,449. It was paid int) the Bank of England on the 22d of April, 1850, and has the name of Carter, 61, Cornhill, upon it. Henry Christie, assistant to Mr. Carter, chronometer maker, of Cornhill—On the 22d of April the prisoner came to our shop and bought of me the watch, chain, and key produced ,s_ also the ring and breast-pin pro duced. The cost of the whole was 19/. Is. The prisoner offered me a 50/. note. I asked if he had not a smaller note, as he was a stranger. He said he had not, but asked me if I would take some gold-dust. I objected to do so, not knowing the value of the article. I therefore took the note, and wrote on it ",J. Carter, 61, Cornhill." I got it changed at the Bank. It is the note produced by the last witness. Mr. C. H. Ilingeston, clerk to Messrs. Brown and Wingrove, of 30, Wood-street, Cheapside, refiners, said —On_ the 30 t h o f A pr il th e prisoner brought to our factory 4oz. 17d w t. o f go ld d ust f o r sale. He said he brought it fro m California, and said he was going that day to Canterbury , and wished to have the money. We 17/. I3s. 10d. for it. assay the gold-dust, therefore did not as ' into an ingot, which the of and I paid him o e tcer produces. gold has since been melted iook t Inspector Brannon, e h G division of the . afetropo- Tuesday evening, in Finsbury litan Police, said—l prisoner into custody on name was Debrio. I told him gentleman o i n tl s o lu a c o ti o n n u s Y-Eiquare. He told me his belonged to the police, and had recei a ve t t i s l i ie take him into custody for robbing to Southampton o f a 5 0 1 . note, vo yage from M ex i c o some gold-dust. H e replied, , I a 30/. note, and and ignorant of th e l aws of the am a stranger, is your authority?" I t o ld him leehltry- Where authority than the verbal instructions l 1 1 .11 no other from Mr. Strutt, and that I w a s i n f ormed b ad received 50/. note was traced to Mr. Carter's, of c y or him that a then repeated that he was a stran ger , and sairehill. H e knew nothiug about it, and Mr. Strutt durst no t come forward. I took the prisoner to the station-house, and f oun him the watch, the chain, and the gold ri ng . I l l e upon f o und on him a pocket-book, and in it the pi ece of papere relating to the gold-dust. I found the pin in a trun k pointed out to me as the prisoner's by the prosecutor, and which I had traced to the Bull Tavern, Bishops gate-within. The prisoner, who had taken notes during the exami nation, upon being asked, in the usual manner, whether he wished to say anything, said, " As regards my gu il t , I have nothing to say. Committed for trial. MARLBOROUGH -STREET. Two ;notorious characters were brought (from the House of Detention about 10 o'clock, and placed in one of the lock-up cells attached ti the court, previous to their re-examination. The cell in question is furnished which it is asserted cannot with a Chubbs's Worst lock, be picked. The men's names are William Haskett, otherwise Geor ge Smith, and Du ncan Mackenzie. Plaskett, who is o is known to the police as one of tle most daring thieves • was charged with having been in the reetropohs,. of in the house) Mr. Hardy,. draper, in a burglary •p7th 0, March, when about 125, New Bond-street, on the r en about 300/of cloths and silk goo:Is worth . i were carried off. . follows: A int, The evidence against Ilaslett was as New Bond -street named William Simpson was in robbery. ,_ about 6 o'clock on the morning of the Jau MT the primer handing goods out of THE SUN, LONDON, Mr. Hardy's shop to a man in a light cart. The prisoner got into the cart and drove off. Policeman Drew, 126, heard of the robbery, and knowing the prisoner he stopped him when in a cart with another man and a woman. The prisoner con trived to get off, but was soon afterwards taken by another constable in Thames-street. The other prisoner, Mackenzie, is suspected to have gone to various public-houses committing robberies. He was apprehended on going to the Grapes public•house, and stealing therefrom four sovereigns and other moneys, the property of Redmond Bryan, a lodger. The princi pal gaoler being absent from illness, the sharp of the cells was given to the assistant gaoler, Police-con stable Lester. About half an hour after the prisoners had been brought from the House of Detention Lester went down to the cell to have the prisoners viewed by the detective. On opening the cell, which was locked as usual, be was astonished to find they had just been let out by a man who had opened the door with a key, had called them by nameas if he were the gaoler, and had taken them out by the back entrance. These particulars were furnished by three prisoners who were confined in the same cell and who witnessed the whole proceeding. They described the pretended gaoler as an (Veil) , man with grey whiskers under his chin, which description answers to that of a man who was seen lounging about the door of the court in the early part of the day. The general insecurity of the lock-up cells has been long known, and, though several alterations have been from time to time made after important prisoners have escaped, they are still as insecure as ever. INSTITUTION OF CIVIL ENGINEERS On Tuesday, April 30, 1850, William Cubit - , Esq., President, in the chair, the paper read was " On the Absorbent Power of Chalk, and its Water Content!, under different geological conditions," by Professor D. T. Ansted. After explaining the nature and extent of the chalk rock of England, both geologically and topogra phically, and briefly describing its chief physical peculiarities, the author proceeded to detail the re sults of some experiments made for the purpose of ascertaining the positive and relative ab sorbent powers of different kinds of chalk, when exposed to moisture under various circumstances. Toe specimens experimented on were on small cubes, each weighing from three to four ounces, taken from different districts, and geological positions, in the upper, middle, and lower beds of the chalk. From these experiments it appeared, that the upper chalk, when it was to all appearance perfectly dry, con tained about one-third of a pint of water in each cube 1)of - , which was never parted with under any condi tions of dryness of the atmosphere; that in the cane of an exposed surface of the rock, the absorption from a moist atmosphere would be unimportant, although when water was presented to it in a liquid form, the upper chalk was found capable of receiving into its mass a quantity of water amounting to more than two gallons for every cube foot of rock, beyond the quantity , usually contained in apparently dry chalk, under or dinary exposure. _ _ _ A specimen of the middle chalk, when thoroughly air-dried by six months' exposure, was found to contain about 23 parts of water in 1.000 parts ; three-fourths of which water were readily given off by subsequent exposure to a perfectly dry atmosphere, very little more than the original quan tity being re-absorbed on exposure to a saturated atmosphere ; showing that the absorbent power, in this respect, was even less than in the case of the upper chalk. The quantity of water contained in a cube foot of saturated middle chalk was rather more than two gallon.. A specimen of the lower chalk was found to contain more than 'ten parts of water in 1,000 parts, about three-fourths of which were rapidly parted with, on exposure to a perfectly dry atmos phere; but the rest, amounting to more than the quantity of water contained in the upper chalk, in its ordinary state, was not parted with by any exposure, short of a vacuum. On subsequent expo sure to a saturated atmosphere, more than 15i parts of water in 1,000 parts were absorbed, and when the specimen was saturated its water contents exceeded 2i gallons per cubic foot. It was seated, that the upper chalk might gene rally be regarded as the conducting, and the lower chalk as the contaiaing, part of the formation, so far as water was concerned ; and that chalk must be regarded as a rock, which every where ad mitted the percolation of water, receiving into itself, and conveying to its lower beds, the water that fell on, or was brought to, its surface. This readily explained the uniformly dry appearance it presented, and the absence of any streams, arising from mere surface drainage; where extensive exposure of the rock itself occurred. It also appeared that particular bands of rock contained much more water than others, some, indeed, being apparently, though not really dry, when below the surface of permanent wetness ; while others gave off water readily, and to a large extent. The probable effect of rain-fall upon the surface of the exposed chalk was then considered, and it was estimated that at least 18 inches descended annually to what was called the surface of permanent wetness, maintaining a general and rude parallelism with the surface of the ground; but when the chalk rock was perounently covered with impermeable soil?, as in the London basin, the position of the surface of per manent wetness was liable to extreme variation, and to be most seriously affected, as lateral percolation was then the only source of wetness. On the other hand, it was thought that a large portion of chalk rock existed in a state of uniform and permanent wetness, and that wherever the gault extended, underlying the chalk and keeping up the water, there must be, at and below, a certain depth from the service, a supply of water to the extent of 180 millions of gallons for each Equare 'mile one yard in thickness; and that the surface of permanent wetness, dependent chiefly on the present rain -fall, was so far above this lower surface of saturation, as to ensure a supply at least equal to one-half of the rain falling on the imme diately surrounding district. The paper announced to be read at the next meet ing, on Tuesday, May 7, was, " On the application of Water Pressure as a Motive Power, for workini? Cranes and other kinds of Machinery," by Mr. W. G. Armstrong, Assoc. Inst. C. E. ; after which, the monthly ballot for members will take place. CRICKET. ELEVEN OF ENGLAND V. TWENTY-TWO OF CA.ELISLE ♦ND DISTRICT. This grand match (the first of the season), which was commenced at Carlisle on Tuesday, was resumed on Wednes day, and at the close of the day the score stood as follows : ENGLAND—FIRST INNINGS. Adams, b Lawrence .. 0 Clarke, b Wright Parr, run out 58 Box, b Thompson 27 Chatterton, b Anderson 8 N. Felix, Esq., b Thompson ...... •••• ... 12 A. Mynn, Esq., b Anderson 4 Guy, .b Wright 4 Martingell, not oat „, 33 Wisden, b Lawrence 31 liillyer, b Wright Byes, 12; wide, 13; no ball, 5 .. ......... 30 Total 207 CARLISLE—FIRST INNINGS. Wright, b Hillyer 0 Lawrence, c Felix, b Hillyer 12 Mr. J. Scott, run out ...... ............ Mr. Anderson, b Wi s d en Thompson, Esq., b Wi s d en W. Moncrieff, Esq., b W is d en 2 3 Mr. J. Hewett, c F e li x , b Hillier "'... I'. Smith, 1 b w, b Hill yer Sopp, b Hillyer 4 3 Mr. Atkinson, b Hillier Mr. Howe, b Wisden Booth, b Wisden Mr. Harrison, c Hillyer, b Wisden 1 Mr. Bell, c Box, b Wisd en Lambert, c Martingell, b Hillyer 2 Capt. Hutchinson, hit w, b Hillyer Beldon, Esq., c and b .Wisden 1 Mr. J. Black, b Clarke • ... . .1. J. Scott, Esq., b Wisden . Mr. Thomson, not out ..... •• 8 Mr. R. Steel, b Wisden 3 • Mr. Ward, b Wisdeu Byes, 3 Total ......„..._ 67 ANTIQUARIAN TREASURES IN FOUNDATION STONES . —The old Stockwell Bridge at Glasgow is now in course o f . demolition. "Antiquaries, observesthe Reformers' Gazette " will no doubt be looking forward with interest to the , pro bability of there being fotpd, in some part of th e s t ructure, the foundation-stone, which, if ancient builders followed the modern practice, need not be sought for very deep in the bed of the river." It is to be hoped, at all eveats, that something else will be found than merely ‘‘ a white porcelain bi scuit vase with its virgin purity tarnished by the trail of dirty fingers," as on a late melancholy occasion.—Builder. FATAL ACCIDENT AT HARBOUR OF REFUGE WORKS, DOVER.—DOVER, APRIL 30.—Yesterday mornings at seven sat. , a fatal accident took placeat these works. James Diploch, aged 40, one of the men connected with the diving , bells, in ascending one of the travellers his foot is supposed , to have slipped, as he fell a distance of about 30 feet on to the stone work below. Several of the men ran to his assist ' ance, but before they could get to him a wave of the sea had carried him away. He continued floating about a quarter of an hour before a boat could be launched and reach him. The life-buoy was thrown so close as to touch • him, but he was too insensible to lay hold of it. He was • brought on shore and carried into the engine-room, where Mr. Sibbitt, the doctor of the establish ment, tried every means (by putting him into a warm bath, &c.) for two hours to restore anima tion, but to no effect, as it is supposed he was killed by the fall, having fallen on his temple. Ile was a very steady, indus trious man, and has left a widow and two children. Lait night an inquest was held at the Cinque Port Arms. before Mr. Thompson, coroner for Dover. James Morris and Thos. Wilson, divers, and Manlie, a labourer; also Mr. NVakeling, cashier to the works, bore testimony that the circuriastance was purely accidental, and the jury returned a verdict of accidental death. Mr. Wakeling stated at the inquest that Messrs. Lee, the contractors. had ordered him to defray the expenses of the funeral. These works have now peen iri progress nearly three years. The foundation is car lied out about 500 feet, and this is the first fatal accident at has happened. • • • • The report circulated by a weekly pa'pet, h ratber notorious for its manufacture of conversions, that the Rev. W. Palmer, Fellow of Magdalen College, Oxford, has seceded to the Greek Church, is, we have reason to believe, entirely without foundation.-771e Guardian. FRIDAY IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, May 2. Their Lordships met at Five o'clock. BIRTH OF A PRINCE.—ADDRESS TO HER MAJESTY. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE rose and said—My Lords, I have to propose before we proceed to the con sideration of any other subject, a motion to which I am sure that your Lordships will willingly yield prole nce.—(lie hear.) It is in a ll us i on to an event which occurred ar yesterday mo rn i ng. — (H ear, h ear.) e I am sure that your Lordships will feel that it is subject of congratulation to your Lordships, in com mon with all classes of the community in this country, that her Majesty should have given birth to a Prince.— (Hear, hear.) All classes of the country, lam sure, join with your Lordships in congratulating her Majesty upon this increase tother domestic happiness, and I will not therefore detain your Lordships longer, but will propose that a humble address be presented to her Ma jesty, congratulating her Majesty upon the birth of a Prince.—(Cheers.) The Duke of RICHMOND said —In my own name, and in the name of those Noble Lords who sit on this side of the House, I beg to express our hearty con currence in the expressions of grateful congratulation to her Majesty, and I second the motion. The motion was then agreed to nemine contradicente. PETITIONS.—AGUICULTURAL DISTRESS. The Duke of RICHMOND presented a petition in favour of the Tea Hours Bill from Yorkshire; also a petition from Morayshire complaining of agricultural distress. The farmers could not grow wheat at the present prices, and were laying down their lands in grass. He had rather cultivate the whole of his estates himself than trust to cotton Manchester men to cultivate them. It was an insult to the farmers to tell them that local distress existed, but that the whole state of the 'couttry was satisfactory. The repeal of the duties on bricks wa s no aid to the farmer. There were more bricks in one manufacturing chimney than in many agricultural cottages. The farmer was bound to pay a certain amount of property-tax, while ruanaansuhfaisetperroefir y profits. Such upon what he chose to a course o f procee di ng wou l d tr legit u affect the loyalty of the fifteens. He had to present seve ral petitions ;rom various members of the agricultural in terest, praYing f a return to the principles t,t . protee tMn. He asked the farmers not to be violent, but per .severing, and to show that when the 3 elmanry put their shoulder to the wheel they could not be driven from the point by a body of Manchester manufacturers. So long as the present rate of taxation continued, so long as faith was kept with the public creditor, the farmer could not compete with the foreigner. No remission of a small portion of taxation would put the farmer is the same position as he wculd be if he had adequate pro tection. If they persevered in this course of proceed ing they would have a recurrence of such acts of vio lence as had recently taken place in the county of which h e re j o i ced to say had been put down b Ww y a t r he iek' rural police. Earl GREY said, in 1844, a Sussex farmer had drawn attention to the fact that at that time 70 farms were ad vertised for sale in Sussex, showing that agricultural distress was thee, under a system of protection, even greater than it was at present in 1850, under a system of tree trade. The real weight which hail broken the neck of the British farmer was the miscalled protection under which he was oppressed. The existing arrange ment with regard to the property-tax payable by the farmer, had been adopted at the sug gestion of the party with which his Noble Friend acted. and he himself, as a free-trader, hid opposed it. The farmer who expended large sums in the improve ment of his farm sutf:xed from the rule, while those who did not improve paid nothing in good years. The Duke of ARGYLL thought undue stress had been laid upon the expression of the Noble Marquis (Lansdowne) that free trade was an experiment. It was extremely difficult to procure the repeal of a prin ciple when it was contained in an Act tf Parliament, and he could not consider that this was an experiment to be watched, or that the principle could be easily reverse', and he came to the conclusion that the experiment, if such it could be called, could not be re ' versed at any moment they pleased. He considered the present to bo an exceptional state of things, and that they could not argue as to the permanent price of agricultural produce from the present thee. The same complaints of the low price of agricultural produce were made in France that the Noble Duke male in this country, and t'sere fore he concluded that the present state of matters was exceptional. At the same this state of affters showed that money cheapness might go too tar, a principle which was acknowledged by all authorities on this subject. If the present state of affairs was to be considered permanent, considerable changes must be made in the distribution of the public burdens of this country. It had been admitted by Lord John Russell, before the re peal of the corn-laws by Sir R. Peel, that in the event of that repeal there must be some relief given to the agricultural interest from the burdens which pressed upon them, and he thought that some different method of apply ing the property tax on the farmer should be adopted. The Earl of FEVERSI-1 AU denied that the present state of agricultural distress was exceptional. There was no chance of any improvement taking place so long as a free-trade policy should be continued. Was it just, he would ask, to continue the present duty upon malt? That tax was paid by the agricultural interest both as producers and as consumers, for they wet great consumers of male—(Hear, hear.) The agricul tu:ists were the most loyal and the best class of the community, and their petitions had not been treated with the respect to which they were entitled. The dis tress among the agriculturists was general and universal throughout the county. The Earl of ST. GERMANS admitted the existence of distress among the owners and occupiers of land, hut as he was convinced that a return to a system of protection was an impossibility, he believed that he was no friend to the farmers who taught them to expect it.—(Hear.) He believed that the repeal of the system had preserved this country from those revolutions which had devas tated the rest of Europe. The present state of the agri cultural interest that, be believed, an exceptional state, for ho found that the state of agricultural distress was even greater in European countries under the protective system, such as France, than it was in this country. He believed that the stocks of corn in Europe and America were nearly exhausted. Prices were rising in New York, and it was the apprehension that we might return to a protective system that had caused our markets to be deluged with foreign corn, and which kept down the price at present in this country. He thought it was the duty of Government to inquire into the bur dens upon the agricultural interest, and to remove those which pressed unjustly, but he considered those were the worst enemies of the agricultural interest who en couraged them to indulge a hope that we should ever return to a system of protection, Lord STRADBROKE saw no ground for hoping that the present depression of agriculture would pass away, and he knew from his own experience that farmers were all anxious to get rid of their farms and emigrate. Not withstanding the statements that had been made, both in and out of ratliarnent, as to the beneficiul effects of free trade, he believe . ' that the conviction was gaining ground among all classes, that we must either return to the system of protection or equalise our taxes. He oould not understand why the moneyed men shou ld es cape the parochial burdens w hi ch fell upon the owners IT and occupiers of property. -e Was grateful to the Noble Duke for bringing the subject forward, and he hoped that discussions would take piece upon it from time to time, until the bearings of this question were fully un derstood. Earl ST. GERMANS made a brief explanation. The Duke of RICHMOND said, he entirely differed from his Noble Friend on the cross benches, as to the statement 'that it was the repeal of the corn -laws which had prevented a revol u ti on i n this countr y, and the feeling of satisfaction which prevailed in conse quencel. ; but he would te l l him w h a t did prevai it was the good feeling of the people of this country. It was because they rejoiced in the i r c onstitution, g and one of the most i mportant r i ghts of that chn stitution was the power it gave them o f complaining of their grievances.—(Hear, hear.) Hi s Noble Relative had also stated th a t w h at had been sa id in that House had had the eff ec t o f i n d ucing importers to send corn into this country, w hi c h had been so ld a t a . loss. He d had was not awar e th at anything he bad eve r said h that effect, b u t if i t had done so, al l h e c ould say was, that he was very glad of it,—(Cheers and laughter.) true to their cause and His earnest advice to the farmers was to be united, and fight their own battle—not take the advice of his Noble Relative, bat to take the advice of those who had re mainedand supporters in 1846. W hy, what earned the repeal of the corn-laws but an agitation at Manchester? and if the farmers only remained united, and kept up a con stant agitation, they would get protection back again,— who were their advisers Steyning, in (Hear.) He had another petition to present from party than a practical character. They complained tree trade were not called upon that they had been called upon to erect a new gaol, and to pay a heavy rate for that purpose. The been affected by parties who were said to have Sussex, which was less of a political or to pay to that rate, and as gaols we re not exclusively of soy one class they did - not understand why the ex pense should be thrown upon me the ruined farrsand , the wealthy men should be exempted. They were called upon also b y law to build lunatic asylums in every county. They did not make lunatics. A great many would be made among the farmers if they continued free trade, that he could tell theree—(A laugh.) He certainly did feel very much in. dined to move a - this petition, for he felt it resolution on was a practical grievance and he was glad to hear it admitted by his Noble Friend o pposite, that the law was in a most unsatisfactory state. After such a statement he thought that he and his colleagues were called upon, as adviser s to her Majesty , to co me forward with a n amendinent. He was had brought the subject forward th at night bec g ause he had ext orted seve ral ad missions from the Government, and, as th e y w ere not too strong just now in the other House of Parliament, he was not without hope that by con tinuing to press them he would ultimately succeed. After a few words from Lord VIVIAN, The Earl of MOUNTCASHEL' in presenting a pe tithed to a • •lar effect, said t bat it was not the farmers similar alone who were sufferi; • the s h o pkeepers of Lond on were also l os i ng greatly i n consequence of thirty toil lions le ss being spent in Lon d on than before the repeal of the corn-laws. Many of them were verging on bank ruptcy, and if the syst e m w as continued many failures might be expected. The matter then dropped. Orli* motion of Earl GREY, the West ludia Ap peals Bill was read a third time- The Leasehold Tenure of Land (Ireland) Act _rend ment Bill was read a second time, pro forma. The Earl of WARWICK presented a petition from Stratford-on. Avon against Postq)ffice labour on Sunday. Their Lordships then adjourned EVENING, MAY _3 l 1850. HOUSE OF COMMONS, May 1. The SPEAKER took the Chair at Four o'clock. NEW MEMBER. Mr. Iltrrcunts, the new Member for Lyming ten, took the oaths and his seat. THIRD READINGS. The following Bills were read q. third time:— Colonization Assurance Company Bill ; Faculty or Physicians and Surgeons of Glasgow Bill; Nottingham Freem,At's All.tments Bill; Royal Collega of Surgeons. of Edinburgh Bill; and South-Eastern Railway (Amend-• meat of Acts, Powers to raise Additional Capital) Bill. PETITIONS. Mr. DUNC AN presented a petition from Dundee, against the Scoth Sanitary Bill. Mr. C. LUSHING"TON presented a petition frees Bethnal-green in favour of sanitary reform. Mr. WILSON PATTEN presented a petition from Manchester in favour of an eleven hours Bill. Mr. STANSFIELD presented a similar petition. Mr. ALCOCK presented a petition in favour of med cal reform. Mr. CORNEWALL LEWIS presented st petition in favour of the paising of an efficient health Bill. Mr. LITTLE niN presented a petition against the Marriage Bill. Mr. F. SCOTT presented a petition from the Presby— taT of Dunse against the Scotch poor-laws. Mr. DEEDES presented a petition from the life of Thanet praying fur an alteration in the imposition of 0- 03 income-tax, fir an imposition of duties on all manpf,,e. tumid produce, and for a reduction in the salaries of public official:z. Mr. F. O'CONNOR presented a petition from Staf fordshire for the appointment of a general mining in spector; also a petition from Glasgow in favour of a ten hours Bill. CaptAin FITZROY presented several petitions in favour of an extension of the oourty courts. Colonel THOMPSON presented several petitions from the clerizy of the metrop)lis in favour of the Ex tramural Interments Act. Sir J. TROLLOPE presented a petition from Spald ing praying fur the imposition of duties on importel prod uce. Mr. FOX presented a petition from Walbrook in _favour. of the Bill prohibiting intramural interments; also a number of petitions in favour of national arbi tration. The O'GORMAN MAHON presentoi a petition from the medical men of Ennis in favour of the Medical aaritieg Bill. Numerous petitions were presented against Sunday labour in the Yoatnffiee. Lord DUNCAN presented a petition from Hastings against the window tax. Mfr. SULLIVAN presented a petition from attorneys and solicitors cf the city of Kilkenny for the repeal of the annual certifieite tax. Colonel FREESTUN presented a petition from the attorneys, solicitors, and proctors of Weymouth and Melcombe Regis, praying exemption from their annual certificate duty. Lord JOHN MANNERS presented 17 petitions from pl , tcos in LinCashire in favour of a ten hours Bill. Mr. GREENALL presented a similar petition from a place in Scotland. Sir IL WILLOUGHBY presented a similar petition from Bolt,)n. Mr. S. CRAWFORD presented a similar petition from the factory workers of BelfiA. Mr. MACGREGOR preseuted a similar petition from Glasgow. Lord ROBERT GROSVENOR presented a petition from Chehea in favour of the Extramural Burials Bill. • Air. MACKINNON presented a similar petition from the Tuwer HArnlets. Mr. HUME presented a petition to tl - _e same effect from Marylehone. Mr. BRIGHT presented a petition from the Chamber of Comnatrce of Manchester on the subj , let of the pro dectiou of cotton in India. The petition stated that the industry of Lancashire depended for its raw materials upon one marker, namely, the United :States, and pointed out the importance of opening up a second mark, t. The petition alio stated that, net aithstanding that many costly experiments had been made by the East India Company to encourage the growth of cotton in India, no sensib!e production of cotton bad yet been accomplished, and the petition therefore prayed the House to take into its serious con sideration the propriety of sending out a Commission to the Presidencies of Bombay and Madras, for the purpose of ascertaining what were the real ebktacles to the culti vation of that plant in India. The Hon. Gentleman gave notice that to-morrow he should move that the petition be printed with the votes, with the view of founding a motion upon it.—(Hear.) Mr. HENRY presented a petition from Ashton-under- Lyne in favour of secular education. Mr. HUME presented seven similar petitions from places in Scotland. Mr. SCULLY presented a retitlon from sharehol lers in the Waterford, Wexford, Wicklow, and Dublin Rail way Company praying fur an inquiry into the conduct of their direc:ors. Mr. HUME presented a petition from East Cowes praying fur the abolition of church-rates. Mr. - BANKES presented several petitions against Post-office labour on Sundays. The Hon. NIE24BER also presented two petitions from attorneys in the county of Dorset against the attorneys' certifioate duty. Mr. CARDWELL presented a similar petition. Mr. Alderman SIDNEY presented petitions from in habltants of London in favour of the Bill for extramural interments. Mr. SLANEY presented similar petitions from Clerk enwell, Fulhrin, Aid Margaret's, WestminAter. The Hon. Member alio presented a petition from Hack[lel praying that the Health of Towns Bill might be extendo.i to that suburb. Mr. HERBERT presented a petition from Ireland, nutn , ?rously signed by landowners, merchants, and others, praying for certain alterations in the Encumbered Es tates Bill. LABOURING POOR (IRELAND). Sir D. NORREYS moved for a return (in continua tion of Parliamentary Paper, No. 30, of session 1849) of the several cases in which the the Lords of the Trea sury had sanction, under the Act of 11 and 12 Vic., c. 51, the conversion of annuities created by the Act 10 and 11 Vic., c. 87, and the terms on which such con versions had been made; showing in each case of con version, since the 3d day of November, 1848. the total compound sum charged against each barony, &c., at the time of conversion, and the amount of each converted instalment.—Agreed to. EVICTIONS IN GALWAY. Mr. O'FL A lIERTY asked the Right lion. Secretary for Ireland whether any provision hal bent made by the Poor•law Commissioners v. ith respect to the enormous pressure that would arise on the poor rates from the displacement of 618 families in the union of Galway? Sir W. SOMERVILLE said he would make inquiries on the subject, and give the Hon. Member au answer on a future day. ATTORNEYS' CER FIFICATES.—ADJOURNED DEBATE. Lord ROBERT GROSVENOR presented a petition from the solicitors of Carlisle, praying for a remission of the attorneys' certificate duty. S'r F. THESIGER felt the greatest pleasure in ex pressing his acknowledgments to the Noble Lord (Lord R. Grosvenor), by whom this Bill had been introduced for the great end disinterested exertions he had long made to relieve the solicitors from a tax which pressed so heavily upon them. He (Sir F. Theiiger) knew, with regard to him self., that he was open to the imputation of different mo tives; but he was quite prepared to bear that imputation, and he should not have come forward to second the motion of the Noble Lord if he had not thought that justice imperatively demanded that the House should pass the Bill now before it. He had sought to find what the reason for the imposition of this tax could be, and he thought he was entitled to say that the onus of establishing this tax rested upon those who either imposed it or who were instrumental in keeping it on. It appeared that it was first imposed in 1785, when the Minister was extremely anxious to obtain money to cover the expenses of a long and calamitous war. and finding that all the objects of taxation were occupied or exhausted, he proposed to lay a tax upon all the shops of the kingdom. That tax was considered by many Members of the House as objectionable, bur, instead of opposing it in a straightforward manner, they took the incautious step of proposing another tax in its place. The Chancellor of the Exchequer of that day being thus placed in a difficulty between the two, cut the Gordian knot by imposing both the taxes, and in the same year the tax on shopkeepers and the tax on attorneys were imposed. But mark the difference. Mr. Fox never ceased to agitate for the abolition of the shop-tax, as being unjust and partial, and in three sessions succeeded in getting rid of it ; but the case of attorneys was quite different. Since then from time to time the duty had been in creased. Like the criminal of old, who was pressed heavily with weights till he cried out guilty, the attorney had been taxed till he could bear the pressure no longer, and now he was compelled to cry out against it. At one period their was considerable prejudice against attorneys, but happily that prejudice was rapidly disap pearing, and now that the House and the country had set its face against class taxation they called upon Par liament to give them some relief, if the duty was not altogether abolished. There was no such tax imposed upon barristers or medical men, though he ought to be cautious of reminding a Chan cellor of the Exchequer. No class of the community was so heavily taxed as attorneys. In the first place, the attorney, before he could practice, had to pay 1201. stamp duty on his articles, and 2il. for the fees of his admis sion; while the stamp duty imposed upon him after he was permitted to practice amountNl to more than 4 per cent, on his annual profits. The tax was therefore moat excessive and unjust, and the conditions of its imposition were equally oppressive. The law required that the duty should be paid before the Ist of Septem ber every year, and in 1849 no less than 595 were unable to pay the duty within the time pre• scribed, while 190 had failed to pey it altogether. Well, it might be said, so much the better, since the coup ry had the fewer attorneys, but was that a fair argument to use on this eccasion? Certainly not; anti he hoped no Honoerable Member would be unfeeling enough to make use of it.—(Cries of " Hear, hear," and a laugh.) He had now gone through the grounds on which he thought this tax ought to be repealed, and he considered there was no valid reason why it should be continued. The acquiescence of attorneys in this tax for a consider able time was no reason flr asserting that it should be continued, because if the burden had been unjustly and improperly imposed upon them, they were entitled to its repeal. He should give the Noble Lord his sup 'port on the present occasion, and hoped he would per severe with his motion for the repeal of the tax. ) The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUERopnosed the motion. He would not enter into the arguMents of the Hon. and and Learned Gentleman, and it was suffi cient to state, on the present occasion, that the tax, was an existing one, and that ha was not prepared to aban don it. The question was not whether this duty pressed heavily on attorneys, but whether the whole burden of tsxetion was unjustly imposed. The same injustice might be attributed to many other tixes, such as that on horses, &c., but if he wore to adopt reductions in particular cases he would be called upon to remit as many taxes as would amount to a million a 3 ear. He did not wish to prejudice the impartial consideration of this question in some future year, but, considering the reductions which had lately be>n made iu taxation, and the impossibility of remitting this particular duty— under such circumstances felt it his duty to call noon the House to reject the motion of the Noble Lerd. He did not think the class of men whom the Learned Gentleman (Sir F. Thesiger) advocated on this oceasien were at present suffering from any peculiar burdens. For those reasons he felt if his duty to oppose the ' motion. The O'GORMAN MAHON congratulated the Noble Lord (Lord Robert Grosvenor) upon having elicited from the Chancellor of the Exchequer a statement evincing a desire to reconsider this question at a future period. He thought the parties who were immeditvely aff-cted by this tax were not to be re garded in a similar light with the class of individuals referred to by the Chancellor of the Ex chequer. They were obliged to spend a large sum of money in being trained for their pro fession, and they generally had received the education of gentlemen; they sprung, too, loan a class quite distinct from those to which the Right Hon. Baro net referred. Ho (tho O'Gorman Mahon) was, rh.-re fire, sorry to hear the Right Honourable Gentleman contrast the respectable portion of the 'attorneys with horsedealere. It might be a compliment, but he (The O'Gorma❑ Mahon) could not view it as such. The attorneys were intrusted with important duties, and there was scarcely a man in the country who was not indebted to them. He would cheerfully support the motion. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ex plained that he had only said that horse dealers paid a licence, and that might be a hardship to that crass as much as the certificate duty was to attorneys. After a few words from Colonel CHATTERTON, which were inaudible, Colonel SIB I'IIORP said he wished to compel the Chancellor of the Exchequer to return to those Un important commercial duties which, in his (Colonel Sib thorpe's) opinion, were very industriously and incau tiously taken off. It was only by such a Bill as this that the House could bring Chancellors of the Exchequer properly to discharge their duties. He thought the Noble Lord opposite (Lord R. Grosvenor) was folly justified in seeking to relieve attorneys from this tax. The gallery was then cleared, and the House divided, when there appeared,— For the motion ... 155 Against it ... 136 Majority i❑ favour of it ... ----19 The motion was then agreed to, and the Bill ordered to be brought in. Trip, STAMP DUTIES. In reply to Mr. DISRAELI, Lord J. RUSSELL said that it was not the intention of the Government to bring forward to-merrow any measure with reference t o the sta mp duties. It might be convenient that he should state that he proposed t proceed to-morrow with the Thetressed Unions (Ireland) Bill, and the Parliamentary Franchise (Irelated) and that the Australian Culouios Bill would be taken as the first order ott Mocdsy. COUN IT COURTe; EXTENSION BILL. On the motion far going into Committee ore this Bill, Mr. KEOGH rose to move that it be an instruction to the Committee to extend its operation to Ireland. It might, he said, be urged against this motion that it was not competent for him to move it, that ho ought to introduce a separate Bill for the purpose he had in view, but he apprehend( d there would be no difficulty in accomplishing his object in the manner he proeote i, if the object iteed . met with the approv.ll of the House. The reasons which pre vailed for the extension of county courts in England were twice as stro..g in Ireland, end he hoped when he told the House the vast benefits the measure would confer upon the sister king dom it would have no hesitation in adopting his motion. Finding that none of the objections that had been raised to the extension of the County Courts Bill in England existed in Ireland, he could not see what objection there could be to make it an instruction to the Committee to extend the operation of the Bill to Ireland, by giving the assistant barristers' courts in that country jurisdiction to the extent of tifty pounds. He could Rot see why an assistant hae-ri,ter in Ireland should he only paid 4001. a year, while the judge of a county court in this country was allowed upwards of 1000/. Sir G. GREY did not tee how the provisions of this Bill could be extend, e 1 to Ireland. His Right Hon. Friend the Secretary for Ireland would shortly intro niece a Bill on the suti ct relative to Ireland, and in the discussion of that measure the suggestions of the Honourable Member might be repeated. It it was the general wish of the House, on the part of the Guyer.- meet, he would say that no further opposition would be offered to the extension of the jurisdiction of the county courts from 20/. to 50/. Alter some further discussion the motion was with drawn, and the !louse went into Committee on toe Bit!. On clause 1. extending the jurisdiction to demands not exceeding 501., Mr. MITCHELL proposed to add words taking away the power of the Court to order payments by iosttf ments, or at any future time, in cam=s where the de,end ant, or any one of the defendants, was a person subject to the bankrupt laws. tie had not had an opportunity of placing up na the votes this proviso, which he pro posed at the suggestion of the City committee, presided over by Mr. W. Hawes. If it was desired that there should be time to consider, it could be moved on the re port, instead of being now pressed. While the juris diction was under 20/. commercial cases were hardly touched, but the commercial houses in London had an enormous number of accounts between 201. and 50/, with the retail traders; one house had accounts upon their books amounting to 65,000!., and seven-eighths of them were for sums under 501.; another had 605 accounts, and 466 were under 50/. Now, if the judge of the County Court was to have power, in th e case of persons engaged in trade, to give the defendant time, or order the debt to be paid by monthly iustalments, no one could be sure of his commercial bills between 20/. and 50/. being paid. Sir G. GREY would be glad to bear what the Hon. Member who had charge of the Bill thought of this pro posal. For himself, he thought than, intlependetrly of the difficulty thrown upon a judge in calling upon him to decide at the moment whether a man came within this description, it would he hard upon the particular defendants who owed between 20!. and 501. that they must pay instanter or else execution must issue; in the superior courts the defendant had till the next term before judgment was obtained. Mr. FITZROY, having only known of the amendment since he came down to the House, would give no opi nion at the moment, abd would rather the consideration of it should be deferred till the report. Some conversation took place as to the languaee the amendment, it being suggested by Mr. MILLINGS that there would have to be a collateral inquiry whether the defendant owed enough to make him subject to the bankrupt laws, and Mr. COCKBURN oiaserved that it would be better to introduce some such words 'as "a person subject by his trade or occupation to the bank rupt laws." The Hon. and Learned Gentleman added that perhaps a middle course might be taken by limiting the power to give time t..) two or three months. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL thought, if the power to give time was to be limited to two months, the timi tetion ()light to apply to all debts, whether under or over 20/. Mr. W. BROWN considered that though there might be some ground for giving the judge a discretionary power to grant time in the case of a book debt, it was otherwise where a bill had been given. The creditor might be depending upon its payment in order to meet his engagements. The amendment was then witherawn for the present, and the clause was agreed to, with some verbal amend ments introduced by Air. FITZROY. On clause 2, providing that fees be taken according to a schedule at the end of the Bill, The AT TORNEY-GENERAL moved to amend the clause by providing that the fees now payable upon plaints above 101. shall be the fees to be taken under this Act iu plaints above 201. If that was agreed to, the proposed new schedule, with its graduated scale or fees, according as the sum sued for was between 201. and 301., 30/. and 401., or 401. and 501., would be struck out. There had been great complaints about the fees. Mr. FITZROY thought that the proposal was ex ceedingly unfair, and that there was an attempt tL) mis lead the House. If the principle was worth anything in actions below 201., it must be worth something in those above it. A man who recovered 191 would be much dissatisfied if he had to pay the same fees as a man who recovered 491. He was sure the House would never sanction the principle of throwing additional duty (LI any man without giving him remuneration. The fees were not imperatively fixed by the Bill, for the conclud ing words of the clause gave power to the Secretary of State, with the consent of the Treasury, to "regulate, vary, lessen, or increase them in such manner as shall seem to him fit." He had no objection to take one uni form scale of fees—the first in the schedule, for instance —and was content to leave the amount of remuneration in the hands of the House; but he would certainly take the sense of the House if the Hon. and Learned Gentle. man pressed his motion. Sir G. GREY reminded the Hon. Member that the argument of the Attorney-General was, that the, judges would have to decide on a higher class of cases, but no part of the lees would go iuto their pockets, as they were paid by a fixed salary. Surely the Hon. Member did not think greater acumen would. be required in a high bailiff to serve a summons than iu a judge to de cide on a case? If an absolute uniformity of.: fees was established, they might he obliged to make the amp unt so high that it would not be worth while in many cases to go into court at all. The argument of tee Lion. Gentle -luau, that if there was to bo no difference in fees between 201. and 501., there should be no' differ ence between 10/. and 20/., was of no force, b. cause the officers of the court would have increased duties and fees in proportion.—(llear.) Alderman THOMPSON believed the schedule of fer to in the cld Bill much too high. lie ktew a case where a poor man when arrested for some (loin of 53. or 10s. had been forced to pay 14t. to the bailiff, as the latter claimed his fee cf is. a mile, just as if the debt r lisdaetually been taken that di,tatfce in custody. He invited the Atornev-General would not allow bailiffs to take tees for services which were not performed, and wished that the Legislature had been more alive to the true nature of this mischievous Bill. If it passed, the House would . soon be overwhelmed with petitions ior repeal or modification, Mr. ROEBUCK said, it ‘ppettred to him that they ought to give a fair sum to every pawn employed, jAge, clerk, or b a iliff , for w hi ch they could claim a-- 11big time tied do away with fees altogether. He knew ev . e.. the iefleeni.ie that had bi4en used out of doors about tn!'s Lill.--(Herr, hear.) Why, he bad been attacked on 1314 way down to th e House, and had had his coat eulied off, by certain persons eho wished to influence hited—(Hear, hear.) Yes, and he knew that other 11 06 ; Members had be en serve d i n the hams wa y. them have no such influence in that place. The wanted to have justice—cheap, efficient, a nd of slic' el ",, sort that the world would believe it to be j us tice. P h 4 ; denctieced the people w h o h a d treate d him and 1 ; House of Commons i n suc h a manner. H e had he' l l . --and he was determi ne d t o ment i on i t —H o n. Ge°ti i ` e ; men say that their livelihood as barristers depended te the vote they should give tha", night. What bed t y , House to do with the statement of bartisters - orkttril h 'i; who were looking out for business and for office (3.11;„-s -way way?—(Here, bear.) It was disgraceful to the '",;;;I t e of Commons and to the country to be assailed in a i r,", a ttaiiner. Let them try the experiment af extelani the Bill to 501. Why could not justice be got without any graduat-d sca'e of fees?—(Hear, hear.) Sir G. GREY said it should be known, in justice to the judges, that they had not the remotest interest lil t the que,tion belore the H ouse . Wh en t h e Act was 6r„'t introeuced they had been paid by f ees , as the e 1 4"„ ma ount f duty was not ascertain e d, b u t even tually al were fees were commuted f u r sa l ar i es , an d t h e i udge 3 given to understand that their wh o l e ti me s h o uld be d e " voted to the court. The Parliament fixed their salaries at a maximum of 1,200/.. but th e G overnmen t bad P e : thone ht. fit to go to the f u ll ex te n t, an d gave them bu t " 1.000/. a year, so that if any necessity arose for it. iticrea.e of 2001 per annum could still ee made to salaries. Tne clerks were also pnid by fixed salarirei a ! fir as practicable; bet a difficulty had arisen in ser' cases in fixing the exact amount on which their f ee : should be commuted, which wuuld, however, be hoped' be dot over. Mr. ROEBUCK—But I want to know, if you buY t be whole time of the jud ge , w hy d o y ou ne t h ey the who time of the baill ? Sir G. GREY—So far as practicable, that had be en dune alio; but it would require a long statement toel7 i plain ell the difficulties in the way. Some bailiffs IT hecet appointed for dist r i c t s , some for p o rtions of d'!: trict; in some ca s es t wo h a d b een appointed, so. that 1 ' was ireposAble at once to commute their fees for 8 13 Y fixed salary, es had been the case with the judg es. When the commutation took place, the clerks would be expected to place all their time at the disposal of the court. After a few wore s from Mr. ROEBUCK and the A l' TORNEY-GENERAL, Lord DUNCAN said that nothing had ever cau sed him greater regr,r, since ho h a d a sea t i n th a t fl"a g than the course which th e Ri g ht H on . G ent l eman (sir ri; Grey) had taken respecting this Bill. Ile believed the we' bailiffs would be entitled to some higher r muneration.; because they Wer3 responsible for the prouerty in the i t charge, and were liable to actions if it was lost. W h ,, had fallen from his Hon. Giiieague (Mr. Roebuck) to the payment of clerks by fixed salaries was well wort h the attention if the House. Mr. AG LION BY gave his cordial support to the Pri cipie of the Bill, which he took to be the relief of toa ll debtors fn:m toe courts of common law and Chanel - 1' Ile adinived that tne Hon. Gehtleman had in the nOl . n e folloa.ed the principl e o f t h e f ti trier Bill , an d i t Was to be Loped that the G overnment wo uld a d opt the 059 „ e pa3i,ig those who labo ure d, an d none ot h er. On tt'' tvi,,Ae, he thought that the Howie and the country we re deeplii indebted to the Horn Gentleman who bad intro: ducat the present Bill. If it passed into a law it wool° protic,i many beneficial results, and he did not apPr e t i bend ihat any of the predi c tion s w hi c h t he y h a d hesr g, from the Hoe. Alderman would be fulfilled. It was d i ' ficint to suppose thst any one could deny the fairness and expediency of enabling the poorer classes of society to obtain justice without loss of time or waste of money' It was also very clear th u t if th e y i m p ose d a dditions ) etudes upon the judges or the officers of those courts Biel ought not to refuse those gentlemen additional reatitic'; ration. One of the oldest aid b , mt economists in th at liotise—he meant his Hon. Friend the Member O r Montr6se—h4d often said that though he would Fs)" no wan for doing nothing, yet he w ou ld no t ex p ec t any man to labour without adequate reward. Mr. COCKBURN hoped that the Hon Member 01 31 : i polite would not persist in the scale of fees that he ha proposed. According to th a t sca l e , su i tors wou ld ha le to pay larger sums in the county courts than in the ' lli perior courts of common l aw . H e t h oug h t t h e object eE the House should be not only to secure for the r e " man speedy justice, but also cheap justice ; it wa g ; ,herefote, much to b e co m pl a i ne d o f t h at t h e Chancellor cf . ihe Exert' quer should pocket out of tile cotinti coult4 as much as 30,000/. a y ear . Th a t, or an y - Ot t tax on the administration of j us ti ce , was sure ly not "" be borne. Mr. FITZROY, being loth to proceed contrary t ° the declared opinion of the House, rose to accede t 4 the proposition made by the Attorney-General ; wished, however, to observe that if they P e u the clerks upon fixed salaries, and if th e y took the prevent average of fees, nothing would be m o re unfai r than to lease those sairries witlauu; increase in the event of increased labour being imposed upon those f u nctions; ries; for exa m pl e , a ddi ug th e i nso l vency cases in fire country, and the charitable trusts, besides the 501. exten' aion. Undtr present circumstances very judges pra c ti se d at a il, an d scarcely any within of t ini ' lle lli: own districts. Th en th ere was a f urther injustice as t,'", the fees. The s al ar i es o f t h e j udges were generally 1,0001. a year, the average of th e i r f ees was 1 , 4001.; sill was the surplus seized on by authorities who bad no right to appropriate it? The travelling expenses of the judges jedges were very cons id erable, often absorbing babe" year's salary at a ti me , w hi c h i mposed on some of t,t`9 judges the u nseem l y pract i ce o f runn i ng up long hi"°' and leaving them for a considerable time unpaid. Vln . the sums granted f o r t rave lli ng ex p enses were t oo sm ell, 15F. a day was by no means sufficient. An attorney 1° the most severely taxed bill of costs was allowed i 1 a day. With such an allowance it could not be said sltt those judges were able to travel on as good a footing 11 : ordinary commercial travellers. There was another point which he wished to notice, nam e ly, th e sum Pe! before a suitor could proceed; at present it was Is. I the 1/. Now, he thought it ought to be lowered to 2 ., per cent. Having said so mu c h he s hould w i t hdraw bl° opposition to the amendment. ad Sir G GREY add that • he., the maximum was la - , at 1,2004 it was not intended that in wiry case that 00 '; W,t3 to re, pa u. vs mei toe thaws 01 die judges elit r , to be increased it would be time enough to consi" what further sums they should receive. Hitherto there had not been the least difficulty iu obtai n i ng t h e serviee , of able men et the present salaries. If it s hould turfl.. out, under the present Bill, that the fees we r e great e l than was sufficient, the Government would be bound ty_ give the suitors the ben e fit, and not u nne c e ssarily L; augment the fees. The allowance to the county Cella ` judges for personal expenses when travelling was 159• re day and their railway fares, or le. 6d. mileage wil t° there were no railways. This was the allowance ptii°, o officers of the army, and it amply covered every exPen to which those gentlemen could he subjected. Mr. CARDWELL said that the Right Hon. 0 04 . 1 e; man (Sir G. Grey) would have the power of incretteles; the saleries of these judges, and Parliament ou ght . 13 4 to interfere with his discretion and comp e l the itig" o Hon. Gentleman to increase these sala ries , w hether e thought it expedient or not. S u ch a course would t. 6 qually unpreesdented and improper.—(Hear.) Mr. ROEBUCK said 1.000/ a year to many of theme gentlemen would be a great godsend—(Laughter).a . and with teat sum they would b e exceedingly well pat s ' If in any case a larger B u m s h ou ld be necessary, the Right Hon. Gentleman o pp os i te h a d the power in his ono hand of maki ng an a ddi t i on. Let the C om mitte e ' look at the ca ve o f th e ass i stant barristers in Ire l a nd- They ;, exercised ci v il an d criminal jurisdiction, and their labours were m uc h more heavy than those were likely !° be under this Bill. And what was the amount of th e f salaries? 400/., b es id es w hi c h they received 100 1 . a s vising barristers. He would suppose their fee' to amount to 5001. more. If a sa l ary of 1,0001. was cient for the discharge of their duties, he did not se° why a larger sum sh ou ld b e p a id here. Let the Sa s° not listen to any appeal to sentimentality. The 11 1,1 Member fog Lewes talked of travelling e xp enses amoe° o ing to 500/. a year. Why a person could travel fro Louden to Carlisle for less than 31. The statement We perfectly outrageous.—(Hear.) Mr. HUME said he understood the Hon. Gentlenisli agreed to abandon the schedule, and. that the origie ° scale of fee. would stand. He trusted that the Cl e mitt • Would at once preceed with the other parts of the Bill. The amendment of the Attorney-G enera l was the y agreed to. Mr. HUME understood that the principle of the 11 was, that the fees w ou ld b e so var i e d an d redeee er ; that no portion of them wou ld go i nto t h e C o nsolidat ed Fund. Lord D. STUART did not see any disposition tows rci t• i l economy, ou the partof her Majesty's Gov e r n ment, W lt o respect to county courts. He thought the treastir t e h l' e might safely be dispens e d with, an d did no t see why 00 e duty should not be performed by the c l e rk s , w ho, in n :t o g cases, had ample time for that purpose. But the was, that as th e treasurers we re p a id o u t of the Coo oo ,', dated Fend, a lar ge amoun t o f p atronage was there_ e l ic placed in the heads of the Government. Believing tu be the Bill would be beneficial to the country at large , was most anxious that it should pass almost upon a"▪ ' terms, with as little delay as possible. Sir G. GREY said that he had already s t a t e d that th clerks and bailiffs wo u ld h e p a id n o t by f. es, " t ome salaries, whi c h wou ld b e fi xe d as soon as sufficient could be obtained. or Mr. COOKBURN did no t thi n k a sa l ar y of 5 0 ' o f 100/, a year sufficient remuneration fur such a Class 0. per , ons as that from whi c h th e c l er k s ciught to be te b :i s t Besides, as the sums p a id to th em were frequently P s e by instalments, it would be necessary fur tbete,,, ooo keep an offise fir the tr a n sac ti on o f b us i ne ss. 1 , tho with respect to the j u d ges . A t present they 101 no te opportunity of p ract i sing professionally to a "-tee derab e extent; but it these courts should assurn e „. l o ch..ractkr which he hoped they would assume, their -bet would he filly C eip tec i, and twould savour sOu ne- , , . of injusti ce t e li m i t t he salary to the amount oriel ~ o f ally fixed. The mat er ought to be left in the haiAl t ,' es t the Governm e nt, w ee h e trusted, w o uld select the nit ,- officers they could get a t the tenttLest amount of rem aeration consistent with the discharge of their du t P t he s'r. HUME th oug h t i t would be better f ur a- Government not to act hastily with regard to 03 ' 00 0 crtare of salaries. It was much eas i er to increase l es to educe them. The Noble Lord seemed to iol o g. that, tie Governme n t h a d exerc i se d a greet deal 6 ° o f e et tronage in the appontinent of t easurers, but t o o' wee that ahough they might have nominated a ,g. rer for ealh of the 60 courts, on l y n i ne bad be en pointed.—(ll,ar, hear.) t, o Mr. AGLIONBY understood the Hotise"-ec retan, ing sav that the Goverment had Mantentioii of In° eas eee ee the salaries of the county courts' judges in conss%oo, of the increased duties proposed to be cast .0200 11 g o r e s t lia,r t ri htio:ni etuthhrdei"st', Nfr. T i „,, •, . 4,, x_ir cr e , ' 11 1)&1 k,.. e , 4 4 ,. I • Bawl 1 , 4 ~ ,a had 1 o„e r eqa, to , , the ,-, a ari sof t p el ' 4 %e 2 " -1/tu,, ,' 3 e r ,, , . v ; th - clause 4 "i4tr • - T h ic , la !t tio : AT r( 104 , whethe , . 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