The Sun. — London, England, 1851-06-07 00:00:00

THE SUN, TO THE EDITOR OF ; .I.IE SUN. Slit,--F or the Cup, or grand dept . the Ascot olym- PicS, yesterday was decidedly be. w par in several respects, particularly in the racln department ; and, notwithstanding the generally at 4 .tive feature to the major po r ti on o f t h e large familyll John Bull—th e presence of Royalty, the attendant though great, was by no manner of means equal t that of last year, when the Flying Dutchman wont e Emperor's Plate, or in fact to any of tbo three or )ur previous years. The racing possessed, comparativel, but little interest to the turf habitues. With one sc;oary exception, the New Stakes, in which one or two eminent favourites fo next year's Derby figured, 1.0 racing wets very mediocre, having been in every iotance contested by see . )nd and third-rates ; the runnel even for the Em per:les Plato forming no exceptioi 'o this observation. As specimen of the "is and oi." running to which forty ne treats the Marquis of El ter, his Lordship's Phlegetbon (by trial proved to h inferior at a mile and a. mile and a half to Midas) ortfuesday beats The Ban E y a head for the Ascot Derby. and yesterday The Ban e lakes all the running for the St. James's Palace Stakes, and wins with considerable ease from Midas by at least a length. Here's a turf prs lam for the know ing ones to solve. It must be rem. abered that in each instance it was no question of healo or distance, both having been determined beforehand. The race for the Emperor's Plato was a very unint resting affair: the withdrawal one after another, at int..vals of a week or so, of The Flying Dutchman, undoul dly the best horse of 1849, of Voltigeur, the best of las year, of Nutshell, a very respectable second-rate, ant, Justly, of Buss borough, rendered the struggle fa this imperial gift anything but attractive in the eile of that eccentric " republic, club, community, 'ycfr2t the ring," or even in those of of r0A2%.0i, was evinced by the very littte speculation thap i has taken place on the rice. In the contest Wy wich came when called upon, h a d t h e race in hand st i le stand, andw( ) )n s cleverly b y a length; Little Jack, note the better hundred for li severe race on T ues d ay, was pumped ou t a yards from h ome; he, however, b ea t Trouncer for second I cond place by a l engt h. Wi n di sc h gratz fourth and la half fancied th a t some li ve ly ga me wan to be played off by the Russborough party; my conjecture was past right: at the last momen t, a b out t wen ty-fiv e r minutes Piet one h our an d t en m inutes beforet the ace as run, Mr. Man gan p os t e d a declaration this tothe effectthat was done f or I e Russ borough would not start; what say, although with numerous others I think I can guess;an one thing, however, is very certain, considering the horse was in the vicinity of the course and quite well, it was anything but a creditable affair, and occasioned a great deal of murmuring in the ring. The result of the New Stakes justified my anticipations ; I remarked in my last note that I could not " discover anything to beat the Phryne colt (Bro. to Elthiron, Windhound, and Miserrima) for the New Stakes; the Queen Anne colt must not be altogether forgotten." The race was not for an instant in doubt, Brother to El thiron when called upon lea cameth . away from his ho rses and won cleverly by a g Grey Tommy, somehow or other, obtained the second place ; th e Q ueen Anne colt was third. We must now tarn from royal Ascot to cockney Hampton, where some sport, or what is called such, will come off on Wednesday and Thursday next. It is not my intention to touch upon this meeting until Monday or Tuesday, when the entries for the various stakes will be complete. Manchester now puts in its claim as the principal pro vincial meet of the ensuing week, with a very respect able "bill of fare," if anything rather above than under the average. The performances will commence :on Wednesday, as usual, with the Trial Stakes, which is not entered for a s y e t. Th e second race will he for the Biennial Stakes of 10 sous. each, with 50 added; one mile and a half. To this stake there are ten nominations. including the poteat name of the Derby winner, whom, however, Ido not expect to see ar, the post. Constel lation, The Queen Bee, T h Black Doctor, and Louis Napoleon also figure among the entries. The race will lie with BLACR DOCTOR and CONSTELLATION ; Louis Napoleon, if he runs, third. For the Manchester Union Cap a large field will go to the post, including, in all probability, Blister, 4 yrs, 5;1 :10lb; Woolwich, .5 yrs, Bst 51b; O s b a le eston, 4 yrs, 6st 81b; and ono of Scott's trio—Champion, 5 yrs, 7st; Uriel, 5 yrs, Bst 71b; or Vanguard, 5 yrs, "st 101 b. This lot, I fancy, includes the winner's name, which, in the absence of Uriel (said to be intended for the Northumberland Plato), may pos sibly bo WOOLWICH, CHAMPION, or VANGUARD, the first named for choice: nearer to the mark than this, at the pre sent moment, out of an entry of 68 horses, I cannot go. A Produce Stakes of 10 sovs. each, h ft, with 100 added, One mile and three-quarters, sports an entry n um b er i ng 33 , which in c l u d es THE PRIME MINISTER'S name ; this once magical cognoraination ought to head the others in the "return lists," and what is mare, Will, if they choose to run him; in his absence. The Black Doctor, Constellation, and Serve, will be first, second, and third. On Thursday the colt by Simoom, out of The Queen, better known as the BROTHER TO SHYLOCK, will give Paddy Bird and the remainder of the field the go-by for the Two Years Old Stakes. The King of Troy will not get a nearer place than third. The Tradesmen's Cup of 300 sous. in specie, added to a handicap sweepstakes of 20 sous. each, 15 ft, &c.; two miles; will attract a good field to the post, which Candlewick or Pitsford may, perehenee, win; but, Woolwich, 5 yrs, Bst 51b; Rhesus, 5 yrs, 7st 81b; Pandemus, 3 yrs, 4st 10Ib; and Tight waist, 3 yrs, sst 41b, aro worthy a slight consideration. I will give a more definite opinion next week, when I have discovered which way the money goes. GOLD FINDER, LE JEN', and Sin WILLIAM . WALLACE, the first two for choice, read the best on paper for the 5 son. Handicap Stakes. On Friday, TIGHTWAIST will, in all probability, win the Castle Irwell Stakes; Teddington, of course, will not start; and Ido not think he Black Doctor will either. For the Salford Borough Cup of 100 sou s . i n s p ec i e, added to a H an di cap Sweepstakes of 10 soya. each, 5 ft., &e., one mile and a half, I should hardly think that Woolwich, the top weight on the list at Bst 81b, would be pulled out. The lot from which the winner will s pring is f orme d of Haricot, 4 yrs, 7st 21b, Alonzo, yrs, 7st, Candlewick, 4 yrs, Est 41b, Unity, 3 yrs, sst 41b, and Paquette, 3 yrs, 4st 41b. ALONK.O and PAIUTETTA for choice. Haricot fd Unity w ill run extremely well; third and fourth, M ond no nearer. My r emar k s on the Derby of 1852 on ay. The betting this morning in town is very dull; a few horses have been supported at the under-mentioned P rices:—Manchester Cup -2 to 1 agst Woolwich, 10 to 1 agst Seagull, 12 to 1 agst The Sweep. Two Years Old Stakes-6 to 4 agst Brother to Shylock, 3 to 1 agst Paddy Bird. Salford Borough Cup -4 to 1 agst Alonzo, 7 to 1 agst Haricot, 7 to 1 agst Maid of Team Valley. Northumberland Plate -8 to 1 agst Uriel, 8 t o 1 agst England's Glory, 10 to 1 agst Neasham, offered. St. Leger -7 to 1 agst Hernan dez, taken; 7 to 1 agst Aphrodite, offered ; 10 to 1 agst Miserrima, taken freely; 25 to 1 agst Latuartine, taken. Derby, 1852-12 to 1 agst Phryne colt; 16 to 1 agsf Elco t; 40 to 1 agst Claverhouse (Lord Eglinton's). I am, Sir, yours, &c., Juno 6, 1851. THE SPIRIT OF THE TITRF. DENMARK AND THE DUCHIES. The .Hanthurgh Borsenhalle of the 3d inst. says— " We are a bl e to give th: , foiliwing particulars rela tive to th e j ourney of the British Consul to the Hance Towns. C o l onel Hodges rent to Flensburg to meet his former colleague in the administration, AL Ton Tilliich. The numerous complaints relative to the dictatorial ad ministration of the Duchy 1 Schleswig induced M. Von Tiliiseb, o in his quality of responsible Minister, to send au exPesi to the Cabinet, in which all the accusations relative to the despotic proceedings, and the severity exercLed towards the German population of the duchy, wen, decidedly dratted.repu " The Cabinet of .James's was accordingly soli cited in a special note was a in this affair with the German powers, and was at the same time requested to confide the office to a Person who was thoroughly ac quainted with the peculiar state of the duchy. Nothing has y e t transpired relative to the results of tho confer commiaioncr, Cer , c , which tookount place Crimi betweennil. Colonel Hod ges and the IT-til utoo coincide with The Statute of Florence, of the an ,L " This year Ascension-day h appe - e Tr... ult., says— the anniversary of the battles of Cruteato solemnity rently vara; and the Church of Santa Croce, w i le an d Monte indoievrity of the Tuscans who fell on the 29th of May . lethe name; inscribed among the monuments, was ee. 18 48, aro crowded with persons, attracted either by the of the day, or their political opinions. Some approached the slabs on which the names are e individuals ngraved and attempted to hang garlands to them, person in plain had been clothes, with impunity last year. But a according to this account, forbade them to do 50 - : the others, ' seeinc , no outward sign by which his official ii na f g a h aitycould have b been recognised, refused to obey. took a wo rds ensued, in which many other persons present the part, until the gendarmes forced their way into .church, and . children, t drove all before them, men, women, and E rec t npon a t : e he doors of the sacred edifice, where they A solemn n], and then closed the doors." in in the funeral service was celebrated on the 30th the late churchßight of St. Michelin° at Florence, for church &su flea, Richard Lalor Sheil. The I was numerou ..... yattended on the occasion. ENGLAIN • (From last night's Gazette.) An Account, pursuant to the Act 7th and Bth ot Victoria, cap. 32 for th e Week ending on Saturday, tho 31st day of May, 1851. 183i= DEOAILTMENT. X. Voter! m , u." .• .„ 27,013,135 Govern ment debt .• 11,015,100 Other s ecurities .. .. 2,984,900 Gold coin and bullion 12,979,760 Silver bullion ...... 33,375 "X 27,013,135 MARKET IN TELLIGEN CE. (From the ;ondon New Price Current, June 6.) Sham—T o day there was a large business trans acted in West ndia Sugar, grocers being h and full rates were obt a i ne d, e chief operators. The purcha ses are 868 hhds and rtes, including at auction 200 hhd s an d 137 tierces B a adoes, which sold at 38s t o 41 s 6 d f or mid to fine y e low, to good bro wn 338 toand 36s to 37s 6d f or i n f er i or , l ow 35s 6d, and 10 hhds St. Kitts mid yellow 375. REFINED.—i'o-day the home t ra d e d eman d w as limited for R e ined goods, and brown Lumps are offered at 46s 6d to .78. Crushed Sugar is, however, still in good request t full rates. MAURITIUS—This afternoon Mauritius Sugar met with a more active demand privately, and realised full rates; a /Able sale of 2,559 bags went at 365 to 39s for low to good .ellow. ar of Bengal Sugar; by private treaty, however, fid e e p nce. EAST IND'A.—This afternoon there was no public sale some cels were soil at full terms, and holders have c ch on sought I after by e x Sugar wa b s o p sold at p revious e x torters, and about 1,000 tons FOREIGN:—Today Foreign Su offered at auction, and the market closes trans pire. Nonewas rates, but tae exact particulars are not s allowed t o firm. Mosisie- . West India of low to fine quality can be obtained at al 13s 6d to 16s, Bong and Mauritius 12s to Honey. The sales of 12s 6d, Cu)a and Porto Bico 153 to 15 s 6 d per cwt. Prices continue on the decline for Molasses fo the week are 200 puns, chiefly Barb a d oes , at 15s 6d. Cocoa.._ro-day at public sale 203 bags Bahia Cocoa were taken as at 285 for good red. COFFEE. — This afternoon operati ons were trifling in all sorts of Coffee by shippers and home dealers, and former rats were not be obtain e d. Th e value of ' Na tive Ceyies of the usual import is 37s to 38s. At auction 12 casks amaica sold at 44s to 45s for fine fine ord, and 39s 6d to 41s for low to good ord. 497 bags Batavia, ord and good ord 36s to 395, and damaged 9 63 6d to 27s 6d. it Of Bahia, 157 bags, &c., were taken in at 36s for good ord sound. Tase—Further reduced rates have been accepted for Coniou; thero has in consequence been a good demand for the lower sorts for home consumption, many parcels est....been taken for exportation, but the supply is on the increase, and likely so to continue. The prices taken for ord have been 10d to 104 d, and for good ord lOid to lld per lb. In medium to rather strong blackish leaf sorts operations, however, are upon a small scale at 1 lid to Is Old, and in good to fine at Is ld to Is 7d, indeed for the best kinds prices are little better than nominal, the business transacted having been trifling for some time past. Oolong can be obtained at is to Is 8d; yet few transactions have taken place. Fine Gun powder and Imperial met with more demand this week, and realised the previous currency, the supply being limited ; but other sorts of green have been purchased with reluctance, and there being a large quantity still on the market prices incline downwards, both for the ord and better qualities. For scented and Pekoe Teas rather lower terms having been acceded to, occasioned a fair business to be transacted. Rim—Holders of East India are not disposed to further give way in price, and refrained from submitting any to public sale this week. The demand privately has improved, and about 7,000 bags have been sold, chiefly for exportation; the value of good to fine white Bengal is 9s to 103 6d, mid 8s 6d to 8s 9d, low and broken 7s 9d to Ids 3d, Madras 7s to 7s 6d, Corringa grain 7s 9d to Bs, Arracan 7s 6d to Bs, and cargo 7s to 7s 6d per cwt; there are large purchasers rather under these rates. Cleaned sorts have been only in limited request; Patna at 103 to 13s, fine 143 to 153, town dressed Carolina 20s to 255, and American 163 to 17s per cwt. In Sago the private operations are small at 153 to 225. At auction 7 cases of fine white rather large pearl sold at 32s to 378 6d. Flour remains dull of sale, and is to be obtained at 143. Of Tapioca 225 pks at auction were only in part sold at 2d to 4id, but 36 cases Tapioca Flour realized Id. Arrowroot is not much in demand, and at public sale 313 ties 16 cases Jamaica were only in part sold at 4d to Sd, and 20 pkgs Tousles Mois 2d. The value of Bermuda Arrowroot is Is to is Id, and East India 2d to 3d per lb. SPICES.—To-day prices declined id to id per lb for White Pepper at the public sales of 560 bags, mid to good mid selling at 6id to bid. Of Pod 32 bags realized 2s 4d to 2s 5d for middling brown, and low 2s id; 15 casks wild went at is 6d to 2s sd, and 58 bags Pimento at 4ad to 4id per lb for middling and good middling. SPIRITS,—The market is firm for East India Rum, and Is 3d to is nd paid for several parcels proof strength. For Leward Island there is a good demand, prices, however, are not better, and rule at is 4Ad to Is sed proof. Jarcuiica has been in more general re quest, but holders are compelled to accept moderate rates. The parcels sold were 30 to 35 per cent. over proof of low and mid quality at 2s 3d to 2s 6d, good mid to good 32 to 38 over 2s 7d to 33 2d, fine and superior 3s 3d to 4s 3.1. Demerara several parcels have been sold at is 10d to 28 2d for 30 to 40 per cent over proof. There is a smaller stock of Rum than last season by 2,600 puns, &c., and deliveries are better than of late. In Brandy a good deal has been done, and holders have confidence. Cognac, best brands of the vintage of 1850 realized 4s 4d to 4s 6d, 1849 ditto 487'd to 4s 9d, 1848 ditto 4s lld to 5s Id, 1847 ditto 5s 4d to 5s 6d, older sorts 5s 10d to 7s, ord kinds 2s 63 to 3s 10d, and Bonrdeanx 2s 2d to 2s 3d. Geneva is still selling at is 7d to is Bd, and fine is LI to 2s. British made Spirit can be obtained at 9s 5d to 93 6d, and Gin at 8s 21 to 83 3d for 22 per cent under proof. SALTPETRE.—To-day a fair business was concluded in Calcutta Saltpetre privately, and full rates were paid. At auction 358 bags were disposed of at 28s to 2Ss 6d for 2 per cent. refraction of fine quality. COCIIINEAL.—This afternoon places declined id per lb for Cochineal, but at auction 89 bag 3 sold; ord and good ord Honduras silvers 2s lid to 3s Id, low and mid blacks 3s Id to 3s 63, and good Mexican blacks 3s 4d to 3s 53. _ _ X 27,013,135 LI. MAR SHALL, Chief Caahlcr• Dated the sth day of June, 1851. BANKING DEPASTMBNT. Proprietors'capital 14,553,000 Rest • • - • • •• • • • • • • 3,084,70 Public deposits (In cluding Exchequer. Commissioners of National Debt, Sav ings -banks, and Di vidend accouno) 6,gsg,7gi Other deposits • • • • • • 8,8(6,603 Seven day and other Bills • •• .• 1,076,058 Government /wart. . tici(includingDead Weight Annuity).. 13,593135 Other securities ••.. 12,503,533 Notes •• •-•• •• •••• -• 7,615,415 Gold and silver coin. ? 691,719 434,409,202 X 34,409,202 MARSHALL, Chief Cashier. Dated the bth day of June, 1851 Turbot, soles, crabs, lobsters Live been re markably. plentif u l an d c h eap i n our markets of late. F ine turbot and soles h ave b een selling as low as 1:1. and 4d. 1 3 J Pouxd...Limpoi Timor, IMPERI, FRUIT.—The market for Raisins has a dull aspect; and there are sellers of Valencia at 32s to 355; Denis 21s to 253; Red Smyrna 30s to 325; Eleme 33s to 365; Sultanas 50s to 525; and Muscatels 36s to 60s. Currants are, however, in good demand, and the market is firmer for better sorts. The value is from 32s to 42s ; and for upper Gulph and new growth 27s to 30s. Figs are dealt in with caution at 403 to 50s for Turkey; Greek 26s to 28s, and Prunes 25s to 295. French Plums are still scarce, and wanted at 5/ to 10/. The value of Jordan Almonds is 71 105 to 101; Valencia 87s to 90s; Barbary sweet 535, bitter 425. TALLOW.—This afternoon the public sales of 278 pkgs South American Tallow went at 34s to 36s 6d; 520 cks Sydney 34s 3d to 36s 6d; 238 casks wrecked P.Y. Candle 33s 9d to 36s 6d. OlLS.—This afternoon, at public sale, 58 tuns Polar Whale Oil in part sold at 29/ to 301; and 40 cases refined Spermaceti at is l id to Is 11d. SEABORNE MAILS. [N &lollies that the mails are sent front the General Post-olllei by the night—and li by the morning—Cspateh.) i When made up in 1 From *hat Wh PLACES. IGeneralPost-oftice port dig- en 1 London: patched. due. America (by Brit. pkt.)N l June 6 .. .. Liverpool.. Juno 9 America (by U.S. pkt.) N June 10 .. .. Liverpool .. America (by U.S. pkt.) M J une 18 .. ..,'Southampt. June 12 Africa (West coast)" N 14th of the month Plyniouth June 3 Alexandria. .... •... N 19th & 30th o f mo. 'D over .. June 18 Belgium • • .. • • N Daily • • • • .. !Dover .. Daily - Brazil .. .. M 9th of th e month ,Southampt. June 12 Buenos Ayres .. .. 31 9th of the month (Southampt. June 12 California(viaChag res ) M 1 7th of month ISoutha.mpt. June 5 Cape of Good Hope N 14th of month iPlymouth.. June 3 Constantinople. .. •• N 7th 17th 27 th of mo Dover .. June 10 Central America .. 31 2,1 & 17th of mon. 'Southampt. June 5 Channel Isles .. .. N Mon., Wed., & Fri.lSouthampt. Tn. Th.S a Chili .. .. • • M 17th of the month ISouthampt. June 20 France • .. .. Al & N Twice d a il y .. .. Dover ••Twlcedaily Greece* .. .. • . N 7 th 17th 27th af mo Dover • • June 10 Hamburgh .. .. N Tuesday & F r i day London .. Tiles. Sat. Holland .. •• .. M Wednes. & Satur. London .. Mon.Thyr Honduras .. .. . N 17th of the month Southampt. June 20 Ireland .. .. III& N Twice daily .. .. Holyhead .• Twicedaily India (via Southamp.) 31 20th of the naonth,Southanapt. June 23 India (via Marseilles) N 7th& 24th ofmonth Dover . • June 18 Mediterranean (via Southampton) •• 3I 20th of the month ! Southampt. June 23 Mediterranean (via Marseilles) .. .. N 7th& 24th ofmonth Dever • • !June 18 Mexico .. .. .. 31 2(1 of the month.. I Southampt. 'June 4 Madeira .. • • .. 31 9th of the month Southampt. (Juno 12 Malta'.. .. Isf I 7th,l7th,l9th,27th } & 30th of month Dover : June 10 Jane 10 Dover • . 'Ju ne 12 !Dover .. June 12 Southampt. /June 16 Southampt.lJune 20 Dover •• June 12 Southampt. !June 20 Southampt. /June 5 ted (*) are conveyed by . mon._ Naples* . N sth 15th 25 th of mo Papal States* ;51,11 15th 25th of mo Feninsular .. • • .. M 7th 17th 27th of mo Peru .. •• 31117th of the month Tuscany* .. N .sth 15th 25th ofmo West Indies .. 117th of the month West Indies (except Havanna & Nassau) M 2d of the month .. * The mails to those c ountries thus mark French packet via Marseilles. CALIFORNIA.—MaiIs to and from Califon& are now despatched and due by every Amer, la, via the United State lean packet. THE CATERPILLAR , •••GOOSEDERRY BUSHES.--A, lady correspondent at Dunoon says--" It may not be gene rally known, th a t a t thi s season of the year, when the cater pillar is making its appearance on the gooseberry bushes, a Piece of whin in full flower, placed in the middle of the bush, will effectually destroy them. This is the second year it has been tried by the writer with the same beneficial result." DIFFICULTIES ATTENDING A MATRIMONIAL AL LIANCE. —,The daughter of the j u d ge o f the County Court of Lincolnshire, Miss Harriett Smith, has just been conducted to the hymeneal altar by Gedney, EV(I , of B'g The by the Rev. J. Cla r k m arriage was intended solemnised, -. ng. accordingßasen to be in the first instance, Clarke, Roman Catholic priest, of Market amitoththene forms t of i t m h b e i E be s d tablished Church, at H ooly ton. Miss Smith o h b a e y i a u g g ain Catholic Church, was desirou of t performed on the following da nmicthreated trothed by a priest of that Church. he tenets of the Roman being h united to her be bidden by her parent, on account of his s ' ()weer, was for unisra. Matters haying b een fullobjections to Ro m fully arranged la dy , for e t s h i r e e, c e t h r e i s some difficulty. Mr. newly to take plac_e according to the a p i a te te d rn u a p l on sa r c . ti s e the subject, but the latter gentleman proving impregnable there was no alternative G re e fu dn sa e l y o w f the arrangements; thi s ~, but to reverse as done, and Mr. was united to the lair object ef hischoice at Hoolton Gainey morning week. Immediately the ceremony on Thursday idai part ceremony by special ceremony was over the bridal party hastened by SPecial °gine to where the of marib l g :n f f i a n s e to Market Rasen, she chapel, in the presence of a large re peated in the 1,, congregation, who remained present to witness number of the ridal party, after reaching Lincoln, and the event. The b partaking of b r eakfast, le ft for the metropolis, en route t o the Continent. t BBER—WINCIIESTER, J UNG THE GOLD DU3T 1 Y. 0 . —Th e f orma l taking of William Plamplin, pro duced at the various examinations stealing 7,0001. worth who stands committed on a charge of of specie from Cali fornia, of gold dust, a portion of a consignment was commenced this fornia, brought by the Great Western, morning in the mag i s t ra t es ' private room at the Town - hall, there being present Mr. Charles Seagrim, the mayor, Mr. Bulpitt, M r . F a i thfull, and Mr. knight . The prisoner the chief was brought f rom the county gasl by Mr. Sheppard, with officer of th e Ci ty police, and listened to the proceed ings ap parent unconc ern . Th e Mayor bound over B en t, an officer of the Met ropolitan Police, to prosecute, and the witnesse s who had attended, in a reco gn i zance o f 201. eac h, to appear at the next General Quarter Sessions, the prisoner being re manded back to the county gaol, where the absent witnesses could attend on Monday. On the application of Mr. en:ire bic a summons wan granted for the witness Jennings- HOUSE OF LORDS, June 6. The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat upon tho Wool sack at Five o'clock. Lord BEAUMONT presented a petition from certain surgeons, prayi ng th at t h ey might be ex evelerptienda f r r y om serving on juries. THE INDIAN FIVE PER CENT. LOAN. The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH asked if the closure of the five per cent. loan in Indic had been by orders from the local authorities or from the Home Govern ment? Lord BROUGHTON said that the Government 'of India had represented that it would be desirable that the loan should be closed, and thereupon the Home Govern ment had issued a notice that the loan should be closed, and it had been closed on the sth April. The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH would have been better pleased had it been closed by order of the local authorities. JUTTEE PERSAUD. The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH gave notice that he should, on the 19th inst., draw the attention of the House to the case of Juttee Persaud. Lord BROUGTON had as yet received no official information on the subject, but hoped he should receive such information before the 19th. COMMON LAW COMMISSION. Lord BROUGHAM asked when it would be probable that the report of the Commissioners would be presented on practice and pleading in the common law? Lord CAMPBELL was sorry to say that he could not answer the question. When he was appointed to the office which he now held himself and his colleagues had drawn up certain rules in practice and in plead ing, but they had thought it better to defer promulgat ing those rules until the report should have been presented, and he hoped it would be presented speedily. Lord BROUGHAM urged the necessity for the im mediate presentation of that report. COURTS OF RECONCILEMENT. Lord BROUGHAM moved a resolution relating to the proceedings of courts of reconcilement in Denmark. Lord REDESDALE objected upon a point of order. A resolution was a resolution of the whole House, and the House could not agree to such a resolution as it could not know what passed in Denmark. Lord CAMPBELL said a Peer had a right to com municate any information which he thought might be useful to his brother Peers. The motion, as we understood, was th en w i thdrawn. LAW OF MARRIAGES. The Duke of ARGYLL presented a petition from Australia, praying for the introduction of a Bill extend ing to the colonies the Act rendering legal marriages celebrated in Ireland by a Presbyterian clergyman. As the law at present stood marriages celebrated by Pres byterian clergymen in the colonies were, under certain circumstances, illegal. Such marriages so celebrated in Ireland were legal, and the colonists prayed the ex tension of that Act to the colonies. The Court of Sydney had decided that Presbyterian marriages in the colony were invalid, and therefore the Presbyte rians were placed in a most painful condition. There had been a remedial Act passed in the colony, but that only referred to Presbyterians of the Established Church of Scotland. Thus the law was left in a most uncertain state. In giving their judgment the judges expressed a hope that the question would be settled by legislation. In the Colonial Assembly a law had been passed rendering legal all marriages which had been thus contracted, but enacting nothing as to the future. He was sorry to say that this question had become mixed up with religious matters. The Attorney-General of the colony was a Roman Catholic, and the people of the colony had taken up the idea that he was doing all he could to invalidate Presbyterian marriages, and the Governor of the colony had declared that he would not like to afford any aid to those who did not observe the requirements of the law. Now the law was in such an uncertain state, that it was almost impossible to comply with it, and compliance with it depended not upon the parties married, but upon the ministers celebrating the marriage. Earl GREY observed that the law in their several colonies was that which existed in England at the time those colonies were founded. Here a difficulty had arisen in consequence of the Presbyterian clergyman having neglected, in accordance with the regulations of the Act, to ask of the parties, or one of them, it' they were Presbyterians; and to remedy the evil consequences that had arisen the Attorney-General introduced a Bill, which was similar to that proposed a few years ago by the Noble and Learned Lord opposite (Lord Lyndhurst). Tho Attorney-General for the colony, however, stated that the whole marriage law of the colony was extremely unsatisfactory, and required revision, and that in another session it would be b roug h t under the consideration of the Legislative Council. The Governor, in a speech at the close of the session, did undoubtedly say that he would ba most reluctant to give his assent to any pro visional measure of the kind. He (Earl Grey) thought that he was fully justified in making that statement, for nothing could be more unsatis factory than to allow these marriages to be contracted in an irregular and illegal manner, and then to pass a Bill for the purpose of legalising them. The law should be put upon a permanent footing as to marriages contracted in a proper and legitimate manner. He telt very little doubt but that in another year the subject would he con sidered by the Legislative Council, and the law of mar riage would be placed upon a sound and proper footing. He held it, then, to bo most irregular for the Imperial Parliament to interfere at all in the matter. There was not one of their colonies in which the form of marriage was not defined by a colonial Act. This was the case in New South Wales. Parliament had dealt with the sub ject in this country in a manner generally thought satis factory. But on passing the Act of is3s they most properly excluded any reference to the colonies, for the simple reason that the machinery for carrying out the principles of that Act did not exist in the colonies— he referred principally to the poor-law unions. It W 23 the established maxim in this country that all marriages celebrated in a foreign country, according to the law of that country, was held gool all over the world. Therefore, if the colonial legislature took the subject into their consideration, which he had no doubt they would do, the marriages so contracted under the colonial law would be held as valid here, and therefore the interference of the Imperial Parliament was not required. Lord CAMPBELL said, notwithstanding what he had heard from his Noble Friend, he must say he thought that the petition presented by the Noble Duke was a most reasonable one, and he hoped it would be complied with. The Presbyterians in the colonies were now placed in a situation of great embarrassment, and were subject to great grievances. What the Noble Earl had stated as to the law in the newly-established colonies was quite correct with one exception. The Noble Earl supposed that ail statutes in force in this country at the time of the establishment of a colony were imported into the newly-established colony. Not so; it was only such statutes as were supposed to be applicable to an infant community. No inconvenience was felt respect ing the marriage law until the recent decision come to in, the colony. It was supposed before the introduction of Lord Hardwick's Act that the canon law of Englund was recognised all over the world, and that there was no need of any mass priest or other person to be present at those marriages, except the contracting parties themselves and the,necessary witnesses, He hoped, with some modifica tions, that such would remain as the law. Since the decision of his Lordship in the case of "The Queen v. Mills," the intervention of a priest episcopally ordained was con sidered absolutely necessary to give validity to the mar riage. He supposed that a priest of the Roman Catho lic or of the Greek Church would be held to be quite sufficient; while the Presbyterian minister —even the Moderator of tho Church of Scotland —would be consi dered as a mere layman. There ought to be one mar riage law for the whole of the colonies, restoring the old canon law, whereby the consent of the contracting par ties would bo deemed the only thing necessary. Tho Duke of ARGYLL then presented a petition from the Synod of the United Presbyterian Church in Edinburgh, containing a similar prayer as in the former petition, and in favour of a declaratory Act being passed, whereby the decision come to in the case of t• The Queen v. Millis" could not be extended to the colonies. Earl GREY repeated his opinion that the subject could not be satisfactorily handled by the Imperial Par liament. It seemed to him far better to leave the mat ter with th• colonies, who had shown such a desire to follow the example set them in the Act of 1835. CONVICTS IN NEW SOUTH WALES. Lord MONTEAGLE then rose, pursuant to notice, to present a petition from Now South Wales on the sub ject of transportation. Ho said that it was of the first importance that tho interests of these petitioners should be immediately attended to by Parliament. The peti tion with which he had been entrusted realised many of the alarms which he had ventured to state on a former occasion existed upon this subject. It prayed their Lordships to put an end to the present system of trans portation. He believed, that unless some remedy was soon applied to the grievances complained of, they were likelyeo be eng aged in a struggle of for ce rat h er than of reason with these colonists. Whilst he denied the colonists any right to reject altogether the power of this country in carrying out the ancient law of the land in respect to transportation as a secondary punishment, he also stated that it was their duty so to exercise that power as to produce the least possible evil, if any, to the colonists; and, if possible, to convert the measure of transportation itself to one for their ultimate benefit. The petition was that of a committee of an association in New South Wales for preventing the revival of transportation. There were appended to that petition a great number of names of importance and wealth. They stated, in the first place, the resolution they have entered into to abide by the judgment which the legislators of the colony would pronounce; that the council had adopted as a final conclusion that no more convicts should be brought over there, and they claimed the full performance of the promise which had been given to them by the Government of this country; they stated that it was most unjust, and a violation of the promise entered into with them, that even any of the new provinces should be made available for the reception : w as aas n2i convicts.nodsiis indispensable irse o aa w bs loe t n, h s a ih t fl h e e ldhe ( ero L y oawrndid. wished eH o d n e , t t e ho ti o g rwe l e) considered of Australi a f or the reception of their convicts, tahtnahyto taphgaehrytt should put an end to the abuses which et n av o ien w r, existed. He wistied to call their attention to the character of the place, with a melatoly complaints made by li these petitioners. In the first commission of a breach and sad uniformity they all highest of faith in this country the attributed to the this languag esubjec t strong, andthe Crown upon his Noble Friend in terms of whic he thoug ht he was s y addressed hll hysomnoetwhaaettinmgenriptedto the w that oy tun deserving.le But at the sam e time his dispatches and in Right harge Honourable Gentleman Goefntlfeamithan, ja hl ie ng ep u e a e g c e h h es e . ba ß d ut us t e h d eP wbootnht in nfurther thaa the com- PETITIONS. The Bishop of OXFORD presented a petition from Bath against the admission of the Jews to Parliament. The Duke of RICHMOND presented a petition from Aberdeen against Papal aggression; also a petition from the proprietors of salmon fisheries on the Dee and the Don against the Salmon Fisheries Bill, and expressed a hope that his Noble Friend (the Duke of Argyll) would vrithdraw his Bill during the present session, and bring it on at the beginning of the next, and hear what parties had to say against it in the meantime. The Duke of ARGYLL said ho had introduced this Bill last session, with the exception of one c l ause , w hi ch was new, and he had given notice that he would endea vour to press it forward. Ho had now gone too far to withdraw the Bill, on which it was certainly his inten tion to take the opinion of the House. In the present state of the House, however, it would be impossible to do so. Ho proposed to postpone the Committee till the Monday after the Whitsun recess. The opposition to the Bill he believed to proceed from the proprietors of one or two fisheries, while the majority approved of it. INTRAMURAL INTERMENTS. Lord MONTEAGLE asked how it happened that, notwithstanding tho Act of last year, intramural inter ment still continued, as though no legislation had taken place? The Earl of CARLISLE said he was not aware that his Noble Friend intended to put the question; but he might state that th© Board of Health, under the direc tion of the Treasury, were in communication with seve ral cemetery companies with respect to the terms on which they might take possession of their cemeteries, but he was unable to state the result. The transaction involved financial operations of considerable magnitude. He could assure his Noble Friend that he quite shared with him in the desire to bring th© law into operation with the least possible delay. On the motion of Earl GREY, Their Lordships adjourned till Monday, the lath o June. HOUSE OF COMMONS, June 6. The SPEAKER took the Chair a few minutes before Four o'clock. PRIVATE BUSINESS. The following Bills were considered and agreed to:— Cameron's Coalbrook Steam Coal and Swansea and Lovhor Railway, East Stonehouse Waterworks. Great Malvern Improvement, Police, Sewers, Water works, Gas, and Markets. Kensington Improvement. National Land Company Dissolving. Wexfcrd Free Bridge, The St. Bartholomew's Hospital Estate Bill was read a second time. PETIONS. Mr. POWER presented l a T petition from Cork against he Ecclesiastical Titles Bill. Mr. HAMILTON presented a petition from Dublin in favour of the Church system of education in Ireland. Colonel THOMPSON presented a petition from Sun derland against the inerease of beer houses. Mr. CO WAN presented a petiticn from Argyllshire against Papal aggression ; also a petition from the same county in favour of Lord Melgund's Educational Bill for Scotland. Lord MELGUNI) presented a petition from Edin burgh, praying for theabolition of university tests. Mr. C. LUSIIINGTON presented a petition from Independents in the county or Somerset, praying for the abolition of the Regiunt Donlon. Mr. W. WILLIAMS presented a petition from labour ers employed in the London Docks Company, complaining of gross injustice and opposition on the part of the Com missioners of Customs. The Hon. Member gavo notice that, on Thursday next, he would move that the re port bo printed with the votes. He also presented pe titions from Bethnal-green, Marylebone, and Ken nington and La m b et h, i n f avour o f the Bill for the suppre,ision of Sunday trading. Mr. PORTAL presented a petition from the Farmers' Club at Winchester in favour of a national settlement and national poor-rate. PRIVATE LUNATIC ASYLUMS. Mr. LUSIIINGTON asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether it was his intention to introduce a Bill thin session for the better regulation of private lunatic asylums? Sir G. GREY said the subject had been under his con sideration, but he did not think it would be possible to introduce a Bill for the better regulation and inspection of these asylums during the present session. COMMON LAW COURTS. Mr. JOHN EVANS wished to know when the report of the Commissioners appointed to inquire into the prac tice of the common law courts would be ready? Sir G. GREY said he had been in communication lately with the Commissioners, and he hoped to be able very shortly to lay their report on the table. LON CEir. Lord HOTHAM wished to ask the Under-Secretary for the Colonies when the report of the Finance Com mittee of the Executive Council of Ceylon would be laid on the table? Mr. HAWES said he was unable to give a reply, as the Governor of Ceylon's report had not yet been re ceived, but as soon as it was the report in question, as well as other papers, would no doubt be laid before the House. EMIGRANTS. Colonel CHATTERTON asked the Secretary of State for the Homo Department if he had had any correspon denco with Major Bcaunil, as chairman of a bench of magistrates assembled in the city of Cork, respecting the treatmc'nt of paupers sent from London to Cork on board the Preussisehen Adler steamship; and whether he intended to make any inquiry into the subject of such correqondene, ? Sir G. GREY was understood to say that tho Poor aw were instituting an inquiry into the subject. ADJOURNMENT FOR THE HOLIDAYS. Lord JOHN RUSSELL, iu rising to move that the House at its risin g do adjourn till Thursday next, took the opportunity of stating the courso which Government proposed to take with regard to public business. lie proposed that on Thursday next the Committee of Sup ply should stand first on the orders of the day. He proposed then to go into Committee and consider the remaining part of the navy estimates, when his Right llonourable Friend the First Lord of the Ad miralty would make a statement with regard to the re. .NCOME AND PROPERTY-TAX COMMITTEE. ADJOURNED DEBATE. On the motion for resuming the adjourned debate on this question, Mr. HUME wished to draw the attention of the House to disposing of this matter as speedily as possible. From the manner in which the motion was met, he was confident that some new mode must be adopted for the appointment of Committees on public business. In the United States, the Speaker of the Assembly selected the Members who should servo on such Committees, and he thought that plan might be safely practised here. It would then take the nomination of the Committee out of the hands of the party moving for it. A similar practice almost prevailed in that House with regard to private business, for in the case of a pri vate Bill the Committee was not 'lewd by the mover of the Bill but by the Committee of Selection. Most of the Member,: whom he had selected to serve on the Commit tee had declined to serve. He had endeavoured to select them from every point of the House, so that all shades of opinion should be represented, but the Members them selves had refused to serve, and he therefore thought the sooner they adopted the C:Tarnittee of Selection principle the better. He could not understand why the Noho Lord had been induced to withdraw the name of the Chancellor of the Exchequer. Surely it was only right that tno public creditor should be represented on this Committee, and ho would propose that the Chancellor of the Exchequer should be one of the members of the Committee. The CHANCELLOR of EXCHEQUER said the present was en exceptional case, because the two sides of the House who had carried the motion for the appoint ment of the Committee did so from different motives, and hence the difficulties that stood in the way of its nomi nation. For his own part he had no objection to serve on the Committee, provided he should be supported by the nomination of a greater number of its members who concurred with him, which was the more necessary as he would not be able from the avocations of his office to at tend the Committee regularly. He (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) found about eight persons on the Conn mittee representing towns and boroughs, while three only represented agricultural constituencies. This was an unfair proportion as against the landed interest. When the original question was before the House there were two to one against any modification of the tax. If the constitution of the Committee was such as to re verse that decision, could it be said that the House was fairly represented? Yet such would be the case if the Committee as named was appointed. He (the Chan cellor of the Exchequer) requested his Hon. Friend to withdraw his name from tho list. He was ready to serve on a Committee fairly constituted, but he objected to one not so formed. Ho, therefore, proposed to his Hon. Friend to adjourn the debate, seeing that at pre sent it was clearly impossible to constitute a satisfactory Committee. Mr. DEEDES said the' observation of the Right Hon. Gentleman justified the course he (Mr. Deedes) had taken on a former occasion in this matter. He had voted against the amendment of the Hon. Member for Boston because he thought a Committee ought to be appointed, and what had since passed only tended to confirm that opinion. The difficulties of the case were, ho admitted, enormous, but that was only a stronger reason, not why the Committee should not be appointed, but why it should be such as to deserve the confidence of the House and the country. The report of a Com mittee on the subject ought to have the greatest possible weight, or its decision would be a delusion. The re port of a Committee such as that named by the Hon. Member for Montrose would not, however, have that de gree of weight. Th erefore he asked the Hon. Member to defer its nomination until after Whitsuntide. Besides, the Committee proposed was different in many respects from that of which notice had been given, which was another reason for its postponement. All he (Mr. Deedes) asked for the agricultural interest was that it should be fairly represented in the Committee. The public were hostile to the tax principally because there had bee n no i nqu i ry into its inequalities, and he believed if the report of the Committee was favourable to its continuance th e tax would be readily acquiesced in. But the n th e C ommittee should have the confirlence of the House and the country. Under these circnm e et c .a b n a e t e e s he (Mr. Deecles) moved the adjournment of the the . Mr. W. WILLIAMS said the Chancellor of Ex chequer was ready to serve on the Coremi b tte r e fo if r t ho Ke ii n a t d , a majority.—(No. no.) The Hon.. .th e e landed in terest. House agreed f. ouse t t e o r n e , s : would i r o e satisfied tha n with amon th h rn a j c or a l p ty: ' e l f e d o m ; agreed to the motion to appoint a Committee; h M e c u i p pointment was further postponed, how could n. n. hers hope to obtain a better class of men than tho se already named for the Committee? Mr, W. MILES sa id the question war, wo u ld the Committee so named inspire confidence in the mind of the public. At present only one Hon. Gentleman ac quainted with the mysteries of finance was on it. Names had been abstracted and others substituted in the original li s t. L oo ki ng at the magnitude of the subj ect, he had a ~•.... SPORTING NO ES. No. LXIIL ASCOT, HAMPTON, AND MANCHESTER MEETINGS. WENT. LONDON, §ATURDAy EVENING, JUNE 7, 1851. plaint of breach of faith; and they used language at public meetings, composed partly of magistrates, sheriffs, and municipal authorities, to this effect. In reference to Van Diemen's Land, they said that the system of send ing convicts there would have ceased long ago if they had prevented them in the first instance from Modif , . When they were stro ng enoug h they ought to rely role & upon their own strength, for it was only by their weak ness that the resolutions of the Government were carried out; that there could be no doubt the best way of ge:tiog rid of the convicts was to prevent their landing. Here it appears there wore three cheers given at the meeting, Lad throe more immediately after the first had been duly responded to. The speaker further said it was idle to peti tion any more on the subject—let us take the law into our own hands, and defeat the plans of the Government, as the Cape folks had done. He (Lord Monteagle) raid it would not do to let this question sleep, or to believe it possible that it could rest where it was at present. Un less the Government adopted a new system altogether in respect to these convicts they must be prepared to encounter a most formidable resistance from the colo r nuts. He believed that if they adopted that principle upon which they had acted many years they would be able to reconcile the colonists to their system—a system which was based upon the moral welfare of the convicts, as well as upon the best interests of the colonists them selves. They ought to make the labour of these con victs profitable to the colony. He had done hi s d uty b y laying the petition before them, and ho might mention that whilst only 525 signatures could be procured in fa vour of transportation in the colony, 36,000 had been obtained against it. Earl GREY said he had had no opportunity of read ing the petition in question, and not having done so he was not prepared for the speech of his Noble Friend He had expected that his Noble Friend would have con fined eiee;elf to the prayer of the petition; but he found that his Noble Friend did not concur in it. By the Act of last year it was provided, that upon the petition of the inhabitants of tho northern part of New South Wales, that northern portion should bo formed into a district colony. A few days ago a petition was received from the governor, signed, ho believed, by nearly all the resident landowners in that district, praying the Crown to exercise that power and divide the colony, and also to give that part of the colony the advantage of convict labour; and he observed by a newspaper report that one of the grounds upon which they asked this was, that they were contributing very largely to the revenue of the whole colony, while the legislature at Sydney en tirely neglected their interests, and refused them the ad vantage of the police, which they absolutely required for their protection and safety, in order to present col lisions with the aborigines. It was the complaint of Victoria over again. The real object of the petition pre sented by his Noble Friend was to prevent that power of dividing the colony from being exercised, and to prevent the sheep farmers of Northern Australia from availing themselves of convict labour, which they found so greatly to their interest to do. Ho was happy to hear that his Noble Friend did not concur in the prayer of the petition. The governor in sending it over stated that ho had only just received it, and had not had time to accompany it with the information which he thought necessary to enable the Government properly to consider it, and he requested the home Government to take no step upon it until further information should be sent home. Such a message from Sir C. Fitzroy was conclusive, and nothing would be done in the matter until further official information had been received. He certainly was not prepared to say that the power of Par liament ought to be exercised in deference to the com plaints of these colonist., unless they had been shown to be well founded, nor could he admit that because Sydney did not require convict labour the rest of the colony should be deprived of the advantages to be derived from. it. While he thought they must continue to send con victs to thole colonies, he held it to bo the bounden and solemn duty of the Government and Par liament to take all measures in their power fur making it as advantageous as possible to the colony to receive them. What his Noble Friend had stated with respect to convict labour was perfectly just; but he was surprised that ho should have forgotten that these principles had been laid d own over and over agai n i n the dispatches sent to Sir W. helieon. Public improvements were in progress which he believed would, at no very distant period, alter very materially the views of the colonists with respect to this question. On the last arrival of a convict-ship at Ho bart Town, he understood that 100 ticket-of-leave men were hired before landing, and he, therefore, trusted that the case was not quite so bad as his Noble Friend imagined. He would not further occupy the House, having so fully entered into the question on a late oc• casion. tirement of admiral s . Af ter t h e naval estimates he pro- I posed to take a vote for the expenses of the Kafir war, and I he proposed also on Thursday and Friday to take the mis cellaneous estimates. He had already given notice that on the Monday following he intended to go on with the Ecclesiastical Titles Bill, but in order to give time for the return of Irith Members after the recess, ho shodld propose to take the second reading of the Customs Bill and of the Window Tax Repeal Bill, and then to o on with the miscellaneous estimates. The Ecclesiastical Titles Bill he should take on the Friday following, which would be that day fort night, and then he proposed to go on with that Bill until it had been disposed of. Mr. EWART wished to EDUCATION ask the First Lord of the Treasury, whether her Majesty's Government are willing to cause to be made, through a Minister of the Crown, on going into the education estimates, a statement of the condition and progress of edu cation, so far as it comes under the administration of the Government, and within the supplies voted by Parlia ment; including national institutions connected with art or science, training schools, schools of design, üblic libraries, and simil ar i nst i tut i ons, conformably with the promise made by the late Sir Robert Peel during his 4 administration? Lord JOHN RUSSELL had no knowledge of any promise made by Sir Robert Peel on this subject. Ile would, hoe/ever, consider whether any further statement could be made in addition to that usually laid before the House; but he thought it would be indiscreet to make such a general statement as that proposed by his Hon. Friend. Mr. HUME could vouch for the accuracy of what had fallen from his Hon. Friend. Sir R. Peel distinctly made the promise, and declared that in future it would be the duty of the Government to make a similar report on the subject of the educational grants to that made upon the vote for the British Museum. Nothing could be more satisfactory to the public than that such a report should be made. Mr. CARDWELL said if he remembered rightly it was not to be a report but a statement from a member of th© Cabinet of the grants that had been disposed of, and the intentions of Government for the future. Mr. LA BOUCHERE said the minutes of the Council of Education were annually laid before the House, which would show the disposal of the grant. Mr. MO WATT said these minutes were not intelli gible to ninety-nine out of a hundred persons. TREATMENT OF PAUPERS IN IRELAND. Mr. REYNOLDS again re-called the attention of the House to the manner which the poor were treated in various of the Irish workhouses. On the 11th of April he moved for certain returns to found a motion on the sub ject, but the Irish poor-law authorities, alarmed lest the real state of affairs should come to light, had weglected to make the return. The treatment which the Irish pau pers had received in these workhouses threw the attro cities that were practised upon Jane Wilbred into the shade, and he strongly suspected that the Commissioners wished to delay making their returns until it should be too late for him to bring on his motion. Sir G. GREY said it was impossible for the returns in question to be ready within the time. NEW CONVENT IN BIRMINGHAM. Mr. SCHOLEFIELD rose to ask Sir George Grey whether he had received any communication from the Mayor of Birmingham, relative to the erection, now in progress, of a large convent within that borough? Sir G. GREY answered that he had not received any communication from any quarter on the subject. Mr. SPOONER rose to explain. It was evident that the question was put with reference to a statement which he had made in the House on the debate on the Reli gious Houses Bill. Now, although Mr. Newman had written a letter to t h e M orn i ng Ch ron i cle attempting to explaiu that these underground cells were meant for baking, brewing, and other domestic purposes, yet he himself had received a letter from a gentleman in Bir mingham who had inspected the building in the course of erection, who informed him they were too numerous to be meant for any such purposes, and more then that, they were not furnished with any menus of obtaining light externally. Mr. MOORE would only say that he was glad the Ilononrable Member had so completely shown his own absurdity on this subject, and he thought it was quite impossible for anybody to make him more ridiculous than he had made himselF.—(Cries of " Order.") VENEZUELA. Mr. DISRAELI gave not ce that he should on this day week present a petition from Mr. Wall, a British merchant of the Carraccas, complaining of injuries suf fered by him from the Venezuelan Government. KAFIR WAR. Mr. ADDERLEY wished to know whether, as there were so many notices of motion for Thursday next, the Noble Lord at the head of the Government would have any objection to postpone the motion respecting the Kafir war until Thursday ? Lord JOHN RUSSELL said if that motion could not come on till a late hour, he should certainly postpone it. The motion that the House at its rising should adjourn until Thursday next was then agreed to. SMITHFIELD MARKET. Mr. CARDWELL brought up the report of the Com mittee on the Smithfield Market Removal Bill. FISHERIES. Mr. ANDERSON gave notice that on an early day after the holidays he should call the attention of the House to the objects, duties, and proceedings of the Board of Fisheries. I NCUMBER ED ESTATES. Mr. MORGAN JOH N O'CONNELL moved for a copy of any statement addressed to the Chief Secretary of Ireland from the Commissioners of Incumbered Es tates in that country, with reference to an order of this House, dated the 11th day of March last.—Agreed to. DUBLIN CHARITABLE INSTITUTION. Mr. REYNOLDS asked whether it was the intention of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, on bringing up the miscellaneous estimates, to propose a reduction of 10 per cent. in the charitable institutions of Dublin? The CHANCELLOR of th© EXCHEQUER said he intended to move the estimates as they were printed in the votes. right to ask if Pitt, Peel, and the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite had failed to remove the inequalities of the tax in question, could the Committee as now constituted re move them ? He was, therefore, of opinion that the inquiry should be postponed until the next session of Parliament. Mr. E. B. ROCHE condemned the mode of appoint ing public Committers as unfair and unwise. That de bate had shown what little confidence the House reposed in them; but the public at large reposed still less. In fact, the country had no confidence in Committees of that House, and they should, therefore, be appointed, as in France, upon a different principle. Mr. MO WATT denied the inference of the Hon. Member (Mr. Miles), that because a remedy for the ine quality of the income-tax had not been discovered in the last century, it could not be discovered in this. There was the discovery of steam, railroads, &c., to disprove that proposition. After the House had decided upon a Committee for that purpose, it would bo unjust to ride off on the opinions of parties and refuse it. The CHANCELLOR of tho EXCHEQUER ex plained. Ho had only objected to going into a Committee the majority of which was against the tax. Sir J. WALSH had voted for the limitation of the tax to one year instead of three; and, therefore, he did not consider ho was giving a cross vote in supporting the adjournment of the present debate. The difficulty in the case was created by the fact of her Majesty's Govern ment having lost the power of carrying their own mea sures into effect, and still retaining the administration of the country in their hands. After the declaration of the Chancellor of the Exchequer there was, iu his opi nion, no option but that of adjourning the question. Mr. BAILEY said a month had elapsed since the mo tion for a Committee was agreed to, and yet nothing had been done in the matter. Lord R. GROSVENOR said a few words, which were inaudible. Mr. DEEDES, in explanation, begged to say he did not wish by his motion to shelve the question—he only wanted a fair and honest inquiry into the subject. Sir H. WILLOUGHBY would remind his Hon. Friend (Mr. Hume) that ho had always said no Member should be on two Committees at once. The Hon, Mem ber had departed from that rule, as he had named the Hon. Member for the West Riding, who was already on three Committees. Mr. HUME had selected the Committee fairly. He had consulted all sides of the House as far as possible and as fairly as possible. All he asked was to have the name of the Chancellor of the Exchequer and his four names on the list, and he would give the Chancellor of the Exchequer a carte blanche to till up the rest of the Committee. Lord J. RUSSELL said the best course would be to agree to the proposition of the Hon. Gentleman. He was not yet prepared to vote in favour of the name of the Chancellor of the Exchequer being on the Commit tee on such a great financial question as that of a revi sion of the income-tax. Ho thought the best course would be to agree to the adjournment of the debate, with the view of enabling the Hon. Gentleman to prepare a. Committee which the House would agree to. It was o f great importance thi s quest i on should be further sifted, but in the present state of the question he should vote for the adjournment of the debate. Mr. HUME wished to know who would take the trouble to name the Committee? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER would make another attempt, but he could not say he would succeed. He would, however, do his best to form the Committee, and that was all he could promise. Mr. HUME said he would leave the Committee en tirely in the hands of the Right Hon. Gentleman. Mr. COBDEN said the fact of the Hon. Member for Huntingdon having refused to serve on the Committee was quite sufficient to warrant the hesitation that. had ensued. He did not agree with the view of Hon. Mem bers who wished to have Right Hon. Gentlemen on the Committee who possessed financial and official expe rience. The object of the Coreininee was to alter or modify the tax. Ho wished, however, to stipulate that the absence of Hon. and Right Hon. Members from the Committee of Inquiry should not be a valid objection to the appointment of a Committee (we understood.) Mr. lIERRIES merely rose to say he objected to servo on the Committee, because he was unable to give his attendance. It was not merely a financial question —it was a question of a far wider character, and, there fore, financial experience was not the only requisite for an appointment on the Committee. The debate was adjourned to next Friday. In reply to a question from Mr. HUME, Lord J. RUSSELL said he would give the Hon. Member an early day to bring on the Borneo question; and with respect to the ICafir question, if it could not be brought on next Thursday he should take it on Friday. ECCLESIASTICAL TITLES BILL. The House went into Committee on this Bill. On clause 2 being proposed, Mr. REYNOLDS rose to move that the words he should read be omitted—" Under any designation or de scription whatever." In moving the omission of those words he would state at the outset his object was to carry out the declaration of the Prime Minister and the law officers of the Crown, that they intended by the Bill to leave the Catholics and the Catholic religion the same rights as they had secured to them under the Act of 1829. He did not find the words in question in that Act, and ho, therefore, wished to know how the law officers could justify the retention of those words. Would Government, after their previous declarations, come forward and state that they were prepared to make war on the Catholic religion? What had occurred to justify this groat violation of civil and religious next) ? Why, that his Holiness the Pope, in virtue of th at power which he spirit ua ll y enjoyed, d created certain arch bishops and bishops in England. It might be said his Holiness had also created a Cardinal, but he doubted whether that was the fact.—(Hear, hear.) He hoped the next act of his Holiness would be to appoint Dr. M'Hale a cardinal, and also to transmit a cardinal's hat to Dr. Cullen, the Primate of all Ireland. The Honourable and Learned Gentleman said we should not be in a worse position now than after the Act passed; but he was satisfied this would not be correct. The Noble Lord, in his opening speech, had declared that bulls had fallen into disuse, and that the statutes applicable to them had become obsolete. But by this Bill the Noble Lord would resuscitate and re vive these old enactments in all their persecuting and re prehensible force. The Hon. a• .d Learned Gentlenian the Solicitor-General, in his peculiar way, had told the House that they knew nothing about the law, while he seemed to think that he was the law and the prophet too. That Hon. and Learned Gentleman told the Roman Catholics they would not be touched by the Act, but that they would, in fact, be as safe as a diamond in cotton.— (Laughter.) He should like to know what the Hon. and Learned Member for Abingdon would do with the Act if he should get it, and whether he would institute pro secutions under it if he happened to come into power? There was another Hon. and Learned Gentleman who no doubt looked forward to official existence in Ireland, and to whom he should like to put the question as to what he would do if the Bill became law, and he in power. The Hon. and Learned Member for Enniskillen was one of the most eloquent of the advocates for the late Mr. O'Connell, on the occasion of his trial, and he had h ear d from the lips of Mr. O'C onne ll himself words expressive of his approbation of the advocacy of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman. That trial cost the country 75,0001.. and broke the heart of the man whom tho peo pie of Ireland considered to be their best friend. He considered that the life of Mr. O'Connell had been bi.- erificed to the bigotted and intolerant feeling which had always been displayed against men who in Ireland honestly and conscientiously expressed their opinions.— (Hear.) He did not thick they would say that they would dare to lay hands on one of the Lord's anointed priests in Ireland. He had never threatened the Go• vernment on the subject of this Bill. What he had told them was, that if they passtel the Bill it would bo a nullity and a dead letter. As a conscientious Catholic ho said that resistance to such a law as this would be a virtue, and ho would never call on his countrymen to obey it. The Noble Lord might tell him that there was a great deal of prejudice in England and Scotland on this subject, and that it was necessary to legislate. He was not there to justify any language of Cardinal Wiseman that might have been painful to the feelings of any Christian; but no language used by Cardinal Wiseman could justify a measure like this against the whole Roman Catholic population. There was, he believed, a description of cur dog which, if kicked by one person, bit the next person it met. He did not say that that was exactly the feeling of the people of England, but it was something like it. Sup pose the Bill b ecame l aw , would they dare to pro secute the four Catholic archbishops and twenty-tour bishops in Ireland, if they signed after the manner of Dr. Mingle, Archbishop of fuam ? He cautioned the Noble Lord against supposing that tho heads of the Catholic Church in Ireland would submit to any en croachments on their rights. There was not a town or village in Ireland which would not support the bishops, if they signed a ccor di ng to t h e i r sees . The Noble Lord might think that Lord Clarendon would be a strong support to him, bat Lord Clarendon was at a dis count in Ireland. The Catholic Bishop of Dublin. Dr. Murray, had refused to dine at the table of the Lord Lieutenant on her Majesty's birthday, in consequence of the insult which bad been offered to those of the Ca tholic faith. He was happy to hear that an interval of fourteen days would elapse before the next discussion of the measure. He regarded it as a sort of respite which was intended to reconcile them to' their fate. During the Easter recess he had visited Dublin, and had at tended a great meeting of Roman Catholics, at W hi ch resolutions were passed condemnatory, not only of thi s Bill, but of the Government. Another resolution called on all Irish Members to vote against the Government on every occasion on which their ex i stence might be endan gered, and, with some fe w exceptions, the Irish Ca tholic Members had obeyed the resolution. At the present moment a requisition was in course of signature to arraign this Bill and to establish a Catholic Defence Association. That association would be established, and its first duty would be to carry on the agitation until this Bill, if it became law, was repealed. A general election was at hand, and he should do his inbest Ireland to op pose the return of any Member whowould r Do l t vote f for the repeal of this measure and mien against its authors. Som e ataaa bMembersPoitg,lwarfare K measure severe enough, 'The Hou. and notL e Learned Member for Midhurst evidentl thought it too severe, for be was prepared to exempt Ireland from the Bill. Some of the friends cf the Hon. and Learned Gentleman had grumbled at his proposal, but he could assure them that whatever might be the opinion within the House, the people outside were beginning to think it was all a delueion. He had listened with pleasure to the declara tion of the Hon. Member opposite (Mr. O'Ferrall), when he raid t h at the Noble Lord at the head of the Govern ment had lost his confidence, but regretted to find the Hon. Member among the supporters of the Government in the division on the Ceylon question, which the Right lion. Member for tho University of Oxford had told them was to be regarded as i a vote of censure. The Honourable Member concluded by moving ,the omission of the words " under any designation or description whatever." Lord J. RUSSELL sa i d he had seen very lately in the newspapsrs an address to the Hon. Gentlemen who op - posed th a t Bill, and who were complimented for exhi biting what was called "Spartan courage"—(Laughter) --in the course they pursued. Ile did not know how far they were entitled to the character of " Spartan ,cou rage;" but there was another designation to which b e wished they would entitle themselves—namely, tht!t° " Spartan brevity."—(Hear hear, and laughter.) The_ Hon. Gentleman the Member for Dublin had taken another occasion of going into the whole question bef e.., them; but it did not appear to him (Lord J. Rens."?. that he was obliged to follow the lion. Gentleman. Bat he confessed hobled been rather surprised to hear the r manner in which he had alluded to the vote of seethe s. Hon. Member on another question. Ile (Lord J. It?,_ sell) hoped he had misunderstood the Right Honourable Gentleman the late Governor of Malta (Mr. M. 0 Y er _ rall) in supposing that ho said be had lost all confidence in the present Govei lament for their introduction of that Bill. But what he ensuld not understand was, that when a char ge was b rought against a person for wanton cruelty, a n d h e was pronounced guilty of judicial innr . ._ dcr—h e cou ld not uxederstend why individuals who veer! not convinc e d th at t h at charge was true, could cot?e down to that .Houee to give a vote condemning tn .. . U character o f t h at purson in order to show their want of confide nce i n the Government.—(Hear, hear . ) He had b een tonal that letters had been 9!„112.d to the Irish Memberto requirin g th em to vote so. Ile thatu not think that H on. Gen t l emen could be unaware they were th en g i v i ag an opinion upon the Ceylon, 11,11 d ,_ not the Papal, quese 'Dn.—(iese) With respect : to the present clause, th o C ommittee would recollect that it was a clause to pr event t h e assumption in this country of wasee" titles of Archbi s h o p of Westminster, or Bishop of '. minghato, or Bish o p o f Clifton; but although it went'. .. beyond the Relief Biell in the letter, it was in full confor mity with the spirit of that Act. Both by law, and 1 19 ,. matter of policy, no . f ore i gn power should give 3 terri torial title to a prelate in this country, whether it er re the title of an existing bishopric or not. The Hon. Ge„. tlean was mistak en i n suppos i ng that in endearourith to defend themselves they did anything to change very much the present setee of things. If i t was not l a w' now for a Roman C at.belie to take the title of A rc hbishop . of Dublin or of Az magh, ought it not to be equal so with re s p ect to taking the title of Archbishop o f ore in this country ? etithough nothing was a more P ro. fitable modern p ro f les i on than that of a martyr,. if J )r. Miele chos e to i t ecur the penalties of that Act, be should be allowed te , do so. Believing that the wordy referred to were )1 ecessary to carry out t h e pr oper meaning of the clawoe, he would oppose their omission. Mr. E. B. ROCHE sa i d, although he sat at that side o , the House, h e s h orted be as ready to vote his want o f confidence in the eleinistry as any Hon. Member opP°' site, provided they o ontinued the same line of po licy which they at p reseret pursued towards Ireland. Lot not Hon. Gentlemen therefore say, because he did not occupy a place at thei r s id e csf the House that he was the cover friend of the Goverranent. He regretted that the Noble Lord did not accede to the proposition of the Hon. Metre ber for Dublin, which he thought was an extremely Inn' deeate one. What that proposition asked was simply to allow the Roman Catholic bishops and ecclesiastical dig' nitaries to give up their present titles, and take up others , such as the Dissenters, the Presbyterians, and Meth° . dists did in this country. Mr. WHITESID.E; said it was impossible for any Irish Member, feeling as h e di d, to listen in silence t,O the speech of the Ron. M em b er for Dublin. He had been asked whether would be a party t o a measure of persecution directe ci against a portion of his fellow' countrymen, and to that fie ilea answered that be would not.—(fiesr, hear.) The mode of argument pursued by the Hon. Member for Dublin was peculiar. First, he as' sumod the principle of the measure, and described it se one of bigotry, of cruelty, of intolerance, of oppression, of everything that was bail. The, Hon. Gentleman, in alluding to a case in which he (Mr. Whiteside) had borne a part, had pronounced a eulegium on a Right Hon. Baronet (Sir Graham), who sat near him (Mr. Whiteside), for his zaanly vindication of the rights of the people. Now that Right Hon. Baronet was the chief mover in the poosecution against Mr. O'Connell.--• (Hear, hear.) It . vas a bill of indictment preferred against a nation. It was defined by the Minister then in power that if there was a breach of the law, the greater the number of persons who were involved in it the more necessary did it become to vindicate the law strictly. On that gr ound was that prosecution main tained. The Hon. Gentleman said the people of Ireland were to be deprived of some rights which they pos sessed. If that were satisfactorily proved to him he would vote with the Hon. Gentleman. , Was it proposed then to repeal the .6.0 t of Emancipation? He could say the Hon. Gentleman himself was the first party to break that Act, by mot keeping its provisions and stipu lations.—(Hear,) Whatever might be said of the Noble Lord at the head of the Government, it could never be al leged but that, so far as the patronage of the Crown was concerned, he had fairly and honourably carried out its spirit.—(hoar, hear.)) Did the Roman Catholic bishops possess the right of territorial rank and dignity legally in Ireland? If they had it by law, they should have it by his vote.—(Hear, hear.) But had they those titles by statute law, by territorial right, or long usage? He denied that it was so. If over there was a simple law,: the statute law on the subject was clear. There was the statute of Richard 11. yet in force in Ireland; and. the statute of Elizabeth was also in operation. The,gth and 10th of Victoria 'proved that the Act of Elizabeth was in force. By one of those Acts, to maintain the jurisdiction of the Pope was a breach of the law; and by another it was the same to accept a commission from the Pope. Now, although the first law was passed in Ca tholic times, it was expounded in Protestant times. It was not the granting of a commission by the Pope which exceeded the law, but the accepting of it, and the attempt to exercise authority under the same. Did the Hon. Member for Dublin remember the oath which he (her. Whiteside) had taken at that table?--(Hear, hear.) He had been obliged to swear that the Pope of Rome had no spiritual jurisdiction in this realm; and that oath he believed to be true. Mr. REYNOLDS said he did not take it. Mr. WHITESIDE continued—With great respect he maintained that this was a Protestant country—(" No, no," from the Irish Members)—and when they were obliged to swear that the Pope had no jurisdiction within this realm they should keep their oath.—(Hear.) How did the matter stand in Ireland even after the time of James I.? By acts of Anne and William there was still a clear refusal to grant the assumption of any eccle siastical titles in Ireland. Acts passed in those two reigns distinctly forbade any clerical rank. Even the 21st and 22d of George 111., the first Act contemplating any relief towards the Roman Catholics, still continued the same restriction with regard to titles. How, he would ask, did the Act the 35th of George 111., that under which the College of Maynooth had been esta blished, deal with that point? It was essential that • Maynooth should be governed by trustees, who were to' be dignitaries of the Catholic Church, and how did the Act describe those whom it was necessary to name? doctornominateddivinity; of and an o th er as Dr. Troy, of Dublin, (Hear, hear.) It would be very bard to discover from the 10th George IV. how it gave terri torial titles to those ecclesiastics ; for it created a penalty . for an encroachment, and that was no proof that the said encroachment was legal before. Actions had' been brought by laymen from time to time against bishops for the fearful act of excommunication pro nounced by them, and damages recovered against the bishops. There had been instances in which the bishops, insisting on their jurisdiction, claimed their right to do what they had done because they were bishops of the Church of Rome. One case had been that of a plaintiff named Boylan against the Right Rev. P. M‘Loughlin, Bishop of Raphoe. After referring to the opinion of counsel on the case, the Hon. and Learned Member quoted the judge's decision, which was to the effect that on no occasion had a Roman Catholic bishop a right to punish a parishioner by pronouncing against him a sen tence of excommunication, such being a breach of the law, and a usurpation o f th e powers of the bishops of the Established Church. That case w en t before the Court of Queen's Bench, and the question raised was the spiritual jurisdiction, and Chief Justice Dinner had decided that the law was against the claim. The Honourable and Learned Member referred to one or two other cases of a similar nature to show that the jurisdiction claimed was not allowed. In most of the cases damages bad been recovered. It was ad mitted that neither the canon law nor the discipline of the Church of Rome was known to the law of England; and if one broke the law, it was no answer to claim to have done so and so under the authority of the Church of Rome.—(Hear, hear.) He asserted that the Roman Catholics were more interested in maintaining that law than the Protestants; for if the system of their church was administered in the same way in which he had seen it in Rome, he would ask whatliberty could they possess? He was disposed to give his Roman Catholic fellow countrymen full liberty —liberty of speech, of thought, of action, ef study; he only maintained that the Govern ment of this country, being a Protestant country, should be a Protestant Government. He was willing to make every concession to them short of surrendering that vital principle.—(Hear hear.) If D r , Wh ate l ey was nomi nated Archbishop of Dublin by th e Sovereign of this realm, how could it be tolerated that the Pope of Rome should appoint another person to the same position? lie was accused of attacking the liberties of his Roman Ca tholic fellow -countrymen. He denied the charge. wished for liberty in Ireland—he wished for liberty in Rome; he did not wish to confine its blessings within the narrow' limits of the empire in which he dwelt; h e would much rather say, versall—(Cheers.) may they be permanent and Ma* Mr. MONSELL said there had been a manifest fallacy running throughout the entire speech of the lion, and Learned Gentleman. The Roman Catholics did not ask that House to recognise their bishops—all they asked was, not to be prevented from recognising them them selves. The Hun. Gentleman had alluded to the May nooth Act, but it would be easily seen that those divines named in that Act could not well b e ot h erwise described. In Mr. Pitt' s ti me , in the year 1792, a petition from the Roman Catholics of Ireland had been presented to the King (George III.) on his throne, and the two first sig naturesArchbishep of Dub of Cork. The policy of to that had been Dr. Troy, Dub the and Dr. Moylan, BiAeop the Government of that day had been to get the Court of Item® to substitute bishops for vicars-apostolic in this country. In one of the cases alluded to by the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, an i n di ctment had been preferred against the party b ecause letters had been found in his pocket describing him its Vicarius Apostolicus of the sees of Dublin and Kildare. Thus he was proceeded against, not as a bishop but as a vicar-apostolic, and therefore they were as much against them as the bishops. 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