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CtiNt MI 1 ELS - Mr. DANIEL—To proceed with the Cheltenham Extension at - once. (YESTERDAY.) The CHAIRMAV—Do you cbjert, Mr. Cripps Mr. Coders — Certainly, Sir. we do. HOUSE OF LORDS. Mr. DANIEL then proceeded to state that this Bill was merely to give the Birmingham and Gieucerter Company the power to rotas N.T.WCABTLE AND BERWICK RAILWAY. a curve of ahr,ut a quarter of a mile in extent, in order to avoid an the Committee on this scheme assembled this moraing in the angle. The Great Western Company had petitioned against the line Court of Chancery, as the Lord Chaim, llor was not sitting. "on thearrtnind that it would interfere with their works, and with Mr. Ausata opened the case on behalf of the promoters of the land which they bad purchased. This he denied, and frequently line. Having given a general description of the line and its advan- referred to the plans to prove his case. tages, with which the public is well acquainted, the Learned Mr. Caters explained that in consequence of an agreement (the Counsel proceeded to say that the principal opposition to the terms of which he explained, and which appeared to be scheme before their Lordships wuted be from the promoters of the of a most complicated character) the Great Western atmospheric principle, tint he would urge that, even if it could be Company had acquired the right of making the line. proved hereafter, when the atmospheric system had been suffi- The Act of Parliament fixed the mode by which all traffic should cier4ly testeu, that it was preferable to the present system, it i be brought to Cheltenham, rendering It incumbent on the Great would be very ea.-y to aaatioilate the line to Mr. Stephen• Western Company to makes narrow gauge line, in conjunction with son's plan. rhe principal argument in tavour of the the broad gauge of the Birmingham and Gloucester Company, and atmospheric principle was its comparative economy in point give notice that they wanted the construction of such a rail. That of working. It was said it could be worked for one penny notice had been given, the land had been purchased, the rails tiar a mile, while the present system cost from tenpence to a shlling tially laid down, and therefore it was an injustice that after ja per rmie. If its superior cneapnese should be hereatter proved, it I curring all these expenses, another line should step in and take would be very easy to adopt the principle. He would appeal to away all the traffic from Gloucester. the opponents wnether they would persist in their opposition, as it Mr. WIIATELEY, Q. C., could not I , e that the construction of would wily be wasting the time of the Committee. The Learned the loop would draw off any traffic from the other branch ; however Gentleman concluded his address by stating that he would proceed if the oppasing Company would themselves undertake to make the to cal. wanes-es to prove the traffic, the n a t ure of th e country i Cheltenham Extension, he would concede that right, or he would through which the line would pass, and the engineering points. even agree to take th• Bill himself with a postponing clause, Soate con, r,ariou tr.ving ensued between Counsel as to the having the contingency of the formation of the required line manner in which the opposition suoulei be conducted, tle, examine. ' within six months. twit of witnesses for the promoters of the line was proceeded with. I Mr. Corms declined to adopt this suggestion, unless a pledge Mr, Allhause and Mr. Shield, both merchants of Newcastle, was given that they would use the whr.le of the line. and also Mr. Phillips, a magistrate of that piece, were then called, Mr. Saunders, Secretary to the Great Western Company, said that and severaily deposed as to the great comm e rcial advantages which that Company was quite ready to make the loop if proper notice would result to the borough and its vicinity if the proposed rail. were given them, under the Act of Parliament, which would bind way were constructed. the other Company to use the line. The evidence of the traffic and of the general advantages of the Mr. WIIATELEV We give you that notice now. one were then gone into, after which their Lordships adjourned. It was then arranged that it should be entered on the notes that the notice was given, and that the Great Western Compels, should make the hoe, and lay down narrow.gauee rails; and the Bill was wi hdrawn. The Ceatameal—Then we shall report that the preamble is not proved. This concluded the business before the Committee, and Mr. Caters, on behalf of his brethren of the bar, expresso(' their thanks to the Committee for the manuer in which the pro ceedings had been conducted throughout. GROUP GG. GLASGOW, DA.ERHSAD, AND NEILSTON L.►NE. The Committee re-assembled at twelve o'clock in the Sessions House. Present—Mr. Evans (Chairman), Mr. Newdegate, Mr. Kuntz, and Mr. P. S. Miles. The CHAIRMAN having again announced the decision of the Committee on the competing lines, . . Mr. Sergeant ANDREWS said that, after the opinion expressed by the Hoe. Committee, his clients were not desirous of adducing further evidence as to the competirg (branch) line; but with respect to the Glasgow and Paisley Canal, he should be obliged to tri , uble them with a few observations. The La arned Counsel then referred to the injury inflicted upon the canal proprietors by the crossing of the canal by the railway. and he contended that their terminus might be male on the south side, which woold avoid this evil, and only be 300 yards further from the city of Glasgow. He afterwards referred to another mode of passing the canal by a bridge, raised sufficiently above the water level, and this he maintained could be effected without any bad gradient. The Learned Sergeant then, argued that the railway bridge wcu:d offer an insuperable barrier to their traffic, because as the trains could not be regularly expected at a certain hour, the canal boats would be kept in from minute to minute, and hour perhaps to hour, until the locomotive should:actually:arrive. These injuries ought to be obviated, and he thought the Committee would not pass the scheme according to its present plan. A long discussion ensued between counsel and the Committee as to the possibility of crossing the canal by a fixed bridge, so as to obviate the evil arising from the proposed crossing on, a level, and it was ultimately agreed to craw up a clause to meet the wishes or both parties. The preamble and clauses were passed with some verbal amend ments, and the Committee then rose a. five o'clock. GROUP K. CADIZIZIDGE AND BURT LINE. The resumption of evidence on behalf of the promoters of this Bill commenced the business of the Ccmmittee this day. Mr. Radcliffe, a postmaster at Cambridge, and Mr. Daubeteau, a large fdrmer at Bu y, gave coi•6rmatery proof of the importance of the line to the districts they represented. Mr. Manning. an extensive cattle dealer, from the neighbour. hood of Newmarket, deposed to the great importance of the line to the oilcake, manure, cheeses, and vast quantities of cattle that passed 'hrough Harwich and Ipswich at present, which would un exceptional) y come upon the line oil their route to CAmbridge and Huntingdon. :the CHAIRMAN intimated an opinion of the Committee that a line south of Newmarket would be tar more advantageous to the nece,siti s of the district than either of the projects now under cor.sideretion Mr. AUUTIN assured the Committee that the engineering diffi culties on sudi a line would present almost insuperable obj ctions to its constructions. Mr. Braithwaite, C.E., cr •ss•examined by Mr. A t7sTiN— lie stated that the entire length of the line would be about 25k miles, and would accommodate a population of 40 000 inhabitawts, ex. c usive of the termini. It could he worked at a cost of i 2,000/. a mile, the gradients being very favourable, and the engine , tiny difficulties insignificalt. Stations would be placed at Botti-ham, swatTh3m Prior, a point near Newmarket, Nloulten, and Itisby. Confirmation wag al, en of the traffic evidence adduced seater. day ; it was stated that 3,000 tons of cheese are annually lin ported into Ipswich from Derby, and 1,500 tons from Ho land. Other evidence of Mr. C. May, as respected the trade of th it locality, being t onfirmed, Tire Committee adjourned till the usual hour to.morrow. GROUP L. PORTSMOUTN ATMOSPHERIC LINE. The Committee re-umed the inquiry on thigh line, Mi. E. B. Denicen in the chair, with all the member• of the Committee pre. sent, when Mr. ALEXANDER replied on behalf of the promoters of the line, and in tI e course of his o , iservations introduced a very happy illustration of :he difference between impulsion and suction by the figure of a 'viral spring placed within a tube, and which, by pushing at one end has all its springs compres4eii, and is at last only forced out b) main force and with great difficulty, while by being pulled out at the other rnd is gradually drawn forth. The convolutions nearest the end are first af£ei•ted : they are elongated arid gradually separated Iroin each other, each successive coil being so acted upon as to present less and less resistance at each draught of the orawing apparatus, till at last the whole space of the tube is tuft vacant. The CHAIRMAN here put into the hands of Mr. Alexander a diagram, which he had sketched at the moment, exhibiting two sets of parallel lines, which represented a long tube, through which there was a series of lines drawn at right angles with the length, so as to exhibit the stare of the air within the tube. At one •nd the lines were dark and closely put together ; the marks were gra dual y less at d lets strong, and wider an wider apart, illustrating the density of the air at one part, and the increasing tenuity to wards the end where the engine is applied, until the marks be c - trne almost indistinct, and showed very forcibly the approach to a per fect vacuum which the engine would effect in the pipe. Mr. ALEXANDES admitted very readily indeed, as all must ad mit, that this was a very excelient illustration of the resistance op posed by the air in the tube to the advance of the train. He further went on to say that the actual advance et the piston in the tube would accelerate the pro. gress of the train by forcing the denser air towards the place where it would be most readily acted upon by the exhausting engine. He next adduced the evidence from before the Select Committee of the House of Commons in the origin of railroads upon the force of the locomotive engine, and in which it was stated by the eogineers of that day that not any evidence had been gi% en to show that the locomotive en,itte ever coull travel at a speed of more than four and a half miles an hour—indeed, at any speed than that which was attained on the canal, eliciting, as might be expect , d, a hearty laugh at the diff.rence between these anticipatima and the result of trAveiling to Exeter, 194 i miles, in four and a half hours. Mr. Alexander then went through the evidence of the se veral witnesses against the atmospheric principle, taking cacti on the particular point which they had been called to prove. As we have already given the evidence on both sides, we need not repeat Mr. Alexander's observations here, except to allude to the twilit sin which he particularly dwelt of the plans adopted 'Or obviating the danger at the stopping places, and which Le &owed to be completely prevented by the arrangement which could be made for that purpose. This was the re,ult of all the evidence which had been addui ed. As to the merits of the line and tie principle on which it was to be worked, this was shown by the advantage which would be ••!fern dto get to the et a side to the public in London. Again, the ativatitsge by the charges was so self-evident that tie need do no r..ore than state them. The atmospheric promoters proiresed to charge for the first, second, and third-class passengers respeettvi ly, 2 ' l , lid., end Id. ter mile, while the South-. Western Company proposed to (barge 3ii.. 2ti., and lid. per mile. The total charges for the journey to Portsmouth would be I 2s„ 94.. and es., for the first, second, and third.class passengers, while the charge by the South Wi stern Company wo Id be 208., 148, and 7,8 d for the dis'ance By the atmo‘pheric line the promoters intended to send fifteen trains a day, b) ten of which there would be third- class carriages, while the South-Western promoters only proposed to tend nine trains a day, and only one would be a third.c ass train. To the Chichester and Brighton line there was no such ob. jcction as to tt.e South. Western; on the contrary, the promoters of the atmospheric line were quite ready to give up the branch to Havant. By so doing, they would save about 1:10,000/., which might be ap flied to the foruaatien of a doub.e line, if Parliament should think it necessary. The same otserva. tions would apply to the branch to Farnham, and the South- Western Company might have that if they plea-ed. If those plans • ere to be adopted the Portsmouth people wouti have • choice of three lines—by the coast to Brighton, by Farehans to Bishop stoke, and by the direct atmospheric line to the metropolis. In addi tion to all this thcre was the tact that the direct line kept up the whole of the old coach road through Hampshire. He deprecated the post. ponement of the line tiil another year, for it was impo-sible to say what changes might take place, and how far the shareholders might be inclined to support it after the experience they had al ready obtained of the power of the South_ Western Company to crush their enterprise. By the establishment of this line, the inhabitants of Portsmouth would be sure to obtain a direct line to London, for Mr. Cnbitt stated that it might be turned into a locomotive line. To that gentleman's cool. nese of judgment, foresight, and general ability, Mr. Alexander himself bore very high testimony, and whose skill and high qualities he believed every engineer who had been examined wou d be ready to attest, He trusted, therefore, that the Committee would not subject the inhabitants of Portsmouth to the great in jury of delay, and with thanks for the attention and consideration which the Committee had given to his remarks, he left the matter with confidence in their halals. Mr. Cocanewe, on behalf of the promoters of the South- 'Vestetn line, advocated that line on the ground of the advantage to the inter. mediate districts which it gave over the Portsmouth direct line. With respect to coals, theevder.ce which bac been adduced in favour of the direct line was quite as much in favour of the Guidford and Chichester line as the other, as Guildford, Godalming, Dorking, and Epsom could be quite as well supplied by the latter as by the former line. There was no evidence of the traffic between Dorking, Godalming, and London. There was a project to make a railway from Dorking to Epsom, which his client would not oppose. And if, therefore, I here was the traffic between those places and their neighbourhood which had been stated, it would be abundantly supplied by that Bill, which was, in fact, an extension of the Croydon Compao 7, and promoted under their protection. It was therefore not alto gether fair to keep this point out of the sight of the Committee, for on this plea it was that the opposite party rested their chief claim to consideration. Between Dorking and Godalming one railway was not less than six miles further round, and in addition there and this svai was universallyrecognised was a great Opposition t o encounter f rom t h e propr i etors o f estates ; na atter of gr eatconsideration , that Parliament would for twasaprinciple that not interfere except on the most urgent necessity. Be tween this point and Petersfleld there was nothing but a succession of commons and downs , as , heaths, wastes, wilds, and, Mr. Mangles Rived one o f the most wild and desofate districts in all England — going d going over the Devil's Punch Bowl, and by the Hind Head, cession of sterile and thinly and ul t a r t azeraing, indeed, a mere sue district. The line then goes to Peterstteld, at which place there was to P romoters of the atmospheric line endeavoured put into compe tition with that of Chichester , and he adduced othe we have given in the e , idence in chief, to the/tiff: 7 r t t n t c e e " he twe whiche n the importance of the two lines. T h e tolls on the two road: * also proved the traffic no both lines of the road, and Showed the great eup.rwrlty of the Guilford and Chichester hoe. But here he would LEEDS AND WEST RIDING JUNCTION EA3LWAY. The Select Committee to whom this line has been referred re. assembled at the usual hour this morning, and proceeded with the opposition to the scheme. Mr. Vienolles, one of the engineers of the London and Bir. Minghem line, proved that the gri.dient, curves, and stations were most Ebjectiobals e. They might be rendered more favourable without any difficulty, and at a trifling expense. The Station at Bradford would stand upon an unnecessary high elevation, and would, in his opinion, render a junction with the Leeds and Bradford Valley line, and other lines running to the north and south of Bradford, almost impossible. On cross-examination he admitted that an improved line would have a good deal of tunnelling and cuttings, and the works, from the nature of the country, must necessarily be of a costly descrip. bon. H. thought, however, the additional expense was fully justified, and would be well Laid out. Mr. 6. Parker Bidder, the eminent civil engineer, had era. mined the country through which the pr.:posed West Riding lines were to run, and had been personally over them. Lowmoor was a Point where all the traffic would have to centre and diverge, and of course the station and gradients there ought to be made as favour able and corivement as possible. The exiseng traffic between Low_ moor and Bradford was 185,000 tons per annum, and the traffic from Bradford to Lowmoor was 75,000 tons per annum. The traffic likely to come upon the pro -posed railway was 500 000 tons per annum from Lowmour to Bradford, and 117,000 tons from Bradford to Lowmoor. He therefore thought a gradient of 1 in 70 between those two places ought riot to be tolerated. The cost of the Vv'est Riding would he very much increased by its terminus being upon a high level, and the cost of their junction with the Leeds and Bradford line would also be increased by that circumstance. Taking ail these 'acts into consideration, he uid not think the inc: cased cost of an improved line over the West Riding would be mere than 50.0001. The station at Bradford, he agreed with the former wrtnrss, was highly ob_ jection..bie, arid he had no doubt, as io the case of one of the Lon don.bridee stations, it would eventually have to be lowered, if Parliament a.lowed it to be made. The Kralient on the improved line would be: 1 in 132, but on the West Riding Junction it would be I in 70. lie esrirnated,theretore, that the cost of loco. motive power for working the exp, cted traffic would be from 6,0001. to 7,0001. per annum more en the latter than. the former line. The station at Halifax was very much lower than it ought to be, hecause the popu•ation of that town was centered upon a high 1, vet. The West Riding promo ers had adopted the worst gradients where there w.is a heavy traffic, and the eade i slier,• the traffic was light. The had adopted curves too which might easily have been avoided, :AA he was quite con. vinccd the line could neither be worked with punctuality nor economy. Uu erns,cxamination he said he thought only that part of the line which ran north of Lowm , ,or ought to be in the hands of the Leeds ann Branford Valk), Company. "The remaitirter of the line running •outii of th..t place he was content to surrender to the L , cd. an Nhnchester Company. Mr. Rich. Ncholson, civil engineer of the Newcastle and North Shielus Railway, confirm, d the eviiience of Mr. Bidder, and sv:ded that in the whole of ins experience he had never seen or heard of a line, ith the same event of mileage, which had so many dcfects as Inc Wcst Ria•lig Junction. . Mr. Thomas Stor.y, agineer and colliery •viewer of the county of Dinh .01, lad examined the eroposed lines of the Leeds and West Alway. ;did in his judgment, considering the tr.. 5., the be , t p s,wle ur the best practicabi line had not been adopted. He t.ad het, eng ged in altering the gradients on the Stockton a..d 1).,r1 gt nRa and could confirm the evident of Mr. Biddet re.ative to the enense of imposing the gradients on this nulway. Mr. 11”hert Da'gleibh, locomotive contractor to the St. Helen's aid Runcorn Railway, proved that the trOtS - on the proposed in]. proved line could be worked for It. 6d. per ton per mile. Mr. Nteho . Wood, a civil engineer, and one of the managing Directorb of the Ne , Acabtle and Carlisle Railway, gave corrobora tive te.tdo ny to the former engineering witnesse4, and added that agoed deal of money had been expenutd in reducing curves on the line with which he Ws. connected. Tme closed the case tor the opposition. Mr. Coltham, the accountant to the Leeds and Manchester Company, was recalled to prove that he estimated the existing traffic between Lowmoor and Bradt. rd at 135,946 tons per annum, and from Bradford to Lowmoor at 702,814 tons. Mr. Carr, the accou t nt on the other bide, was re called to prove that he estimated the existing ttaffic between Lowmoor and Biadlord at 245,643 tons per annum, and fiom Bradford to Low. mocr at 79.671 tons. Mr ALEXANDER then addre.ised the Committee on behalf of Miaa Walker, the present posseasor of ShHden Hall, near to Hal • fax, whose estate would be interfered with and disfigured by the course of the proposed line, and called upon the Committee to post pone the line for twelve months. flr. Winslow, of Hammersmith, was caged to prove the insanity . of Miss Walker, and that her present evidence was peculiarly adapted to a person in her state of mind. _ Mr. Ycung, engineer to the Leeds and Bradford Railway, ai.d .7 other witnesses, proved the dibfigurement the line would be to the estate. Pie Committee adjourned at half-pact five till eleven o'clock to•murrow, HOUSE OF COMMONS. GROUP A. The Committee met as usual this morning at twelve, and pro, seeded with the consideration of the ioNnow, CROYDON, CHATHAM, AND on , PINGTON LIN E. The first.witness called was Mr. Cubitt, who stated that he was the consulting engineer to the Loudon and Croydon Railway Company. the proposed line was originally projected by another ciimp.iny. Mr. Brute' was then the engineer of the line, and it was his ino ntion to work the line by atmo spheric traction. The line afterwards fell into the hands of the C roydon Company, who gave him instructions to lay • down the line. Mr. Sherrard (wko was examined last evening) then surveyed the line under his direction. Mr. Sierrard had not had much o xperence as an ergineer, but was a very experie(ced surveyor. He had given Mr. Sherrard instructions to lay out a line with gradients of I in 50, and was willing to take on himself the respoesibility of any cons, quetice of the use of such gra . mews. The original ompeny had intended to call the line " The Lontion, Chatham, and Portsmouth Junction Line," its principal object being to join Lemon, Chatham, and Portsmouth. If the atmospheric principle were to fail, the whole line could lie used as a locomotive line. The expense of the extra pow, r treceesary to surmoun gradients of I in 50 would not be equal to I he exr ense of r. clueing the gradient in the beeirining. Mr. Cubit was then cress-examined by Mr. MLRREWETHER on the part of the sour h-Easiern lire ; and by Mr. WHArELLT no the par of Lade y, a pi trtioner against the line ; and [sir WALTER RIDDEI, (Toss examined the wittie's on the part of the Comnriorwiners of Navi e ation of the River Medway. Mr. WILMORE then put in in evidence several papers, ands id that a cammunication had b eir made with the Admiralty, and that the cons , nt of teat Board to the r rection of the bridge over the river Medway was expected to be glut n and communicated to him 'his (Notting The case on the part of the Croydon line being now eons uded, Mr. COCK/it:ea ri fi rree to a paper put in in evio ence by Mr. Ser geant Wiaegriain last evening, and purporting to be the consent of the Bar I of Ordnance to the !node of passing Woolwich-coarmon propo-ii dby the North Ker t Company- Ili s letter was signed by • Mr. Hunet, the solicitor to the Boare; but he (Mr. Cock burn) had evidence which lie thought would convince the Committee that no reliatice could be placed on this pater. He Lad a very serious charge to make against Mr. Hignet—a charge of corruption. He held in his hand a letter from Mr.. Hignet dated May 3, 1t545, in which he not only offered to sell the ihtluence he had over the Board of Ordnance for a certain number of shares in the Sr uth Eastern Company ; but he could prove from evidence urn el the hand of Mr. Hignet, that fining his olfet refused by the Smith. Eastern line, he had made a similar applica tion to the North Kent Company, who had accepted it. Now after reading this letter it would be impossible for the Com mittee to ul.ice any reliance on his signature to the letter put in by the North Kent Company. Mr. Sergeant WRANtiHAM objected to the reading of the letter on the ground that the paper put in by him was not a com munication from Mr. Hignet, but from the Board of Ordnance, and that no letter from Mr. Hignet, in his private capacity, to any parson connected with the South-Eastern Company could in any way affect a etter from the Board wha employed him. And if the Committee had any doubt of the authenticity of the letter, the readiest way to support themselves would he by a communication with the Board of Ordnance on the subject. Mr. Coceautax insisted that a letter containing a proof of cor ruption, or of the inclination to corruption, on the part of Mr. Hignet, was sufficient to cast a doubt on the authenticity of a do cument which had only his signature to support it. • After a few words frog Mr. Sergeant WHANGHAU, the Chairman desired the room to be cleared. 'the Committee consulted for two hours, and on our return to the Comrnistee_room, The CHAIRMAN said that the Committee were of opinion that it was not their province to con3ider whether or no Mr. Hignet was guilty of the charge made against him, and there fore th a t t h ey could not receive the let er in evidence. ' but that as the authenti c ity of the letter from the Bo a rd of Ordnance had been impugn e d b y Counsel, they thought it nee esary for the North Kent Company to bring forward evidence to prove it. Sir WALTER RIDDEL on the priu p c ar ,d t o t f )ut th n e ot No . rh Kent line, said that the evidence could be Mr. MERREWETHER said that the letter Cockburnwhieh tm 'a m tr e . diately. had wished to put would be forwarded to the Master of the Board Of Ordnance. Sir WALTER Bunn. could have no objection to Mr. Merrewether correspondence. t, • taking any coor.e he pleased as to hie own Sir W. RIDDEL then acdresed the Com a m ier ee , z , the part of the Comrnissioners of the Navigation of the After some discussion on no potnts of public inte w r ' es Y i. the Com mittee adjourned at four o'clock. UhOUY F. Dipt)RTANT DECISION. BIRMINGHAM AND GLOUCESTER nary_ WAY (WORCZSTEN. BRANCH). The Committee met this morning at one o'clock, the Right Honourable F. Shaw in the chair, to consider the case of the Worcester Branch of the Birmingham and Gloucester Railway. Mr. DANIEL stated that this Bill wa, proposed in consequence the of a bargain between the B irmin g ham Company, and he hoped Committee would decide in favour of the Bid SO as to enable • Ithem to send the Bill to the House of Lords at the s.rne time as AA pet th granted to the Great Western Company. Trirlggrft4is then c!earctl, and after a shett discussion the publicivisere-admitted, and The CIIAIRMAN declared that the preamble was not pt °Ted. Mr. DANIEL—Thai refers merely to the Worcester branch, tiQt to the Ch./J(lll.am branch. There is another branch entitled the Cheltenham Extension. The cuAtesteX—.What do sou propose to do now ? I'IIN__STTN, LONDON make en aberration as to the weight which had been placed on . the evidence of Sir W. Jolliffe, that there was no doubt but that if a railway were to pass through that district it might do good to somebody, and the Committee would therefore have to throw over t retro all the evtttet.ce on this particular pond on both sides, espy. wally as the r oach traffic on the Peterstield line was at present uereroyed. ?Ir. Cockburn pursued the contrast between the evi deuce for and against the traffic on the intei mediate districts on both lines, showing that the traffic on the South- Wr stern line was far superior to the other, and indeed between Godalming and Peterstie.d there was no comparison. Godalming and Havant was common to both, with the advantage of placing the former place six miles nearer to London than it was on the atmospheric line. Chiches ter, which, next to Portsmouth, was the most imp , rtant place on the line, was made 19 miles nearer on the Guiltord line than the other to Hungerford-bridge. Mr. Cockburn then went through the evidence as to the distances which had been stated by Mr. Locke and Mr. Horne, and which we gave at the time, showing the prevaling distance of the several places on the line. The population on the two lines was as flee to four in favour of the Guilford line; and therefore, with respect to both population at.d distance, the point was quite in favour of this line. There was an advantage, too, possessed by the South. Western Company in the two stations which they possessed at Vauxt•all and Hungerfordi bridge—the former already in existence, and the Bill for are latter having already passed the House of Commons—while the other side only had the one at London , bridee. In addition to his, there was the facility possessed by the former Company in toe ability to take goads out of the lighter and place it upon the rails at Nine Elms, so that for timber and all ot!.er heavy goods there would be an advantage which was riot possessed by the other line, and if the other line hid the advantage of Dept ford-creek, there was, practical y and in reality, no benefit to the atmospheric company, as the hoods could be conveyed to Nine Elvis in one tide, so that no extra expense would be incurred. With regard to passengers, Mr. Horne stated, that before any rail way was established, all the coaches had been removed to the west-sod of the town, which showed that the tendency of the traffic was to the west, and nut the east ; so that, looking a , th• stations, the advantage was evidently in favour of the South. Wearerii project. Further than this, it was a fact that the Brighton Company were now about to apply more than 100,0001. iu making a branch from New Cross to Hungetford bridge, in older to avail themselves of the west-end terminus. The station at Lonuon-bridge having • he Brighton, the Dover, and the Croydon lines all funning to it, was exce,oingly crowded, and it would be tnanitestly unwise to increase that inconvenience. The coolness with which the South Western project was lo .ked upon by the Portsmouth people he was quite ready to allow. It had been an unpardonable offence in the South. Western Company to chase Southampton instead of Portsmouth. There had always been a jea lousy betwt en the two places, and he feared there always would be. But with respect to the delay which had been alleged as taking place on the line, it was proved that the Soute.Western tine was worked with as much rapidity and punctuality as my other line in the country. Then, as to fares, they had put in tables of fares of the other great lines, and showed that the charges on those lines were the same as those of the South-Western Company. The jealousy of feeling should be tett eut of the question; and if he had shown thai one line was shorter than the other, better for the intermediate ui,tricts, and equally as good for Portsmouth itself, the others we: e rninor circumstances, and he aid not think the Committee would allow themselves to be prejuinc, d by any mere expresson of popular feelit g. Then thi re was the question of expense and engineering difficulties The gradients of the South. tti estern line were far more favourable then on the other line. It, therefore, it was necessary to snake either line a locomotive line, the advantage was cire.rly in favour of the former, and if it was thought necessary to make the line an atmospheric line, the South- Western Company were quite ready to make theirs an atmospheric line. In the event, however, of the atmospheric principle being inapplicable to a long line, then the question of gradients became one well worthy of serious considera ion. It was readily conceded that on a short line the atmospheric principle might be very efficiently brought into action as between Dublin and Dalkey. But on a long line the whole of the eviutrice had gone to show that the difficulties in working the principle were so great, and would in volve such an immense expense to overcome them, that to all practical purposes it would be totally inefficient. If, from the moment hat they had overcome the vie inertia. of the mass they hod to put into motion, there were no other calling to oppose than these would be to its progress, he had e•ery reason to believe that what was said by the other side would be tine s but there were such causes. The constantly opposing power of the increasing density of the air in the tube after the first exhaustion would offer such an obstacle as would in proportion to the increase in the length of the tube impede the velocity of the train as at last to bring it to a standstill. Mr. Hawkesley had by theory arrived at a certain formula, which had been confirmed by the practical experiments r:f Mr. Stephenson. Mr Alexander had put it on a question of the credibility of witnesses. On the one side they had Mr. Brunel, Mr. Hawkesley, Mr. Cubitt, arid Mr. Samuda; and on the other they had Mr. Locke, Mr Bidder, Mr. Hawkesley and Mr. Stephenson. Without additirnal experience, who cou;d decide between them ? With respect to Mr. Samuda's evidince, it was not to be questioned but that Mr. Samuda was a gentleman of great ingenuity and scientific attainment, but in this instance an interested and, therefore, a suspicious witness. With respect to Mr. Brunel, this was just the sort of thing to seize upon a mind I , ke his, which was always ready to grasp at a diffi • culty which was to be overcome, and he would be ready, there was no doubt, to undertake anything simply for the difficulty of itself if for no other. Then as to Mr. Cubitt, he was precisely the wit ness for 1,4 n ; and Mr. Cubitt had, with great prurience, referred laying down his line Letwezn Epsom and Croydon until he had laid down his line between London and Croydon, and he would iatt lay down that line till all these Bills, or as many of them as should he fortunate enough to get through the House of Commons, got into the House of Lords. Mr. Cubitt was a prudent man. It WAS phiiily impossible for ,ny man to say whether this princip e ever could be brought into action or not, and the question was whether a line should be adopted which could be worked by the atmospheric principle alone, or whether they should take a line which, if that principle failed, could be worked as a locomotive line. The St.uth- Western line had, therefore, a scientific advantage. They touched upon a better line of country, and reached the several positions ::t shorter distances, and at less expense, both in the tortnation and in the working There was also great uncertainty a, to the passage of the trains, and an inflexibility about the sys trm which w. u.il prevent the atmospheric principle from supplying the wants of the putnic, and they were involved in the incontist ency of having the less powerful apparatus between London and Epsom, where the traffic was the greatest, and especially during the rare.. it, spring and autumn. and the mote powerful apparatus on that portion of the tine where the traffic was least; so that the:, In opostil to bring the whole of the trattic of the Portsmouth, line on to the Epsom line, whicn was already overworked. Mr. Cockburn then went through the estimates of expense given in tvh;ente, to show the amaunt in favour of the South-Western hie, and after throwing out a suggest ion for a mutual formation of the !me between Chichester to Portsmouth, concluded his ob servations by stating that the formation of the atmospheric line would offer no competition for the public advantage of Portsmouth, but would entirely and unnecessarily injure the South. Western Company. This being a better line in every respect, he trusted the ommittee would give it a preference. The Committee then adjourned till to-morrow, returns, showieg that 40,000 people would be benefited by the Wandsworth Extension. Atter some furtier observations, the Learned Counsel cone tided by calling on the Committee to declare the preamble of the hill proved. The room was then cleared fur deliberatim, and after the lapse of a few minutes, strangers were admitted, whereupon T. e CHAIRMAN (addressing Mr Hill) sad the Committee are unanimously of opinion that the preamble of the Bill has not been proved. The Committee adjourned at five o'clock. GRuLTP 1. LINCOLN AND CAMBRIDGE RAILWAY. The Committee at to-day at twelve o'elsek. Mr. Joseph Machon, of Pinkston, Derbyshire, dealer in coals, was the first witness called. The coal •fietdt in that neighbourhood are most xtensive, and equal to supply any demand ; Is well acquainted with the ♦arious qualities of coals ; is of (pinion that the Dukes mi re and Winderworthmere coal was full; equal to the Durham, and has no doubt but if this line were made the coals from these two places would be consumed very extensively. Fhe cost ofWinderworth me re and Dukesmere cool at the pit's mouth was ss. fid. per ton. It could ne put on the railway at Clay's-cross at 5s per ton extra. The distance from Clay's-cross to Rugby was seventy miles, and from that, by the London and Birmingham Railway, was eighty-two miles, making in all 152 miles. The CilklßMAN—That has nothing to do with the Cambridge and Lincoln Line. Mr Lue—The London and York Company say they can supply coals from the same places at a cheaper rate; we say they evinot, for we came in competit.on with them, and we want to show we can buy those coals much cheaper. The London arid York have also taken crt dit for an increase of 190,000'. per annum by coal traffic alone ; but we say they can receive no such sum. for we will afford greater facilities for transit. The witness then proceeded to say that the distance he- had mi taloned of 152 miles would cost 3s. 40. per ton per mile for the transit of coals, which would bring the price to 9s. 6d., or to l4 we is re 6 l d s .. t I o , h ; e rch t m he e nth an er t e i ,, n ,a L s o 2 ii , d . o 6 n d. for delivery,u sive of city dues, which exclusive sod id. per ton for the use of waggons, which would bring the price up to 19s. to all charges. The Wallsend the mnd public s taey per on, coalt weirnecludinnegar the coal-fields already mentioned, and 166 miles from London ; the price in Lon don of these cows to the public, including all charges, would be 20s. ld. per ton. If the Silkston and Peterborough line be made, the distance of the town from the coal-fields would be 93 miles. The coals could be sold in that town at 11v. 10ti., includ big all charges. St .mford would be 81 miles by railway, and the coal could be sold there at I Is. The Erewash Valley coal-fields were very extensive, and equal to any demand; they were situate about nine miles frcm the Midland, near Derby. A Bill has passed the House of Commons granting a line called the Erewash Valley, which joined the Midland; the Erewash coal was as often sold in London as the Durham coal ; the distance of the Erewash from London was 131 miles, and that coal could be sold in Lon don at 18s. 3d., including all charges ; the same coal could be sold at Stamford at 9s. 6d., and at Peterborough at 10s. 3d. ; the distance of the first was 60 miles, and the latter 73 miles from the Erewash Valey . fie d. Is quite certain that the London and York could receive no such income as 290,0001. a year from coal traffic alone. Mr. John Woodhouse, coal-viewer, was the next witness. His depositions were unimportant, being met ely corroborative of that of Mr. Machon. Mr. Irish deposed that he had been employed as a traffic taker for the w,ol trade, and that a great quantity of wool was brought to London from Yorkshire, Leicestershire, Lancashire, &c., and the expense of the transit of which would be greatly diminished if this line were made. Mr. J. P. Carpenter gave evidence as to the amount of road 'raffle by coach, which bore out the testimony of Mr. Parks. The CH•IQYAN here stated that the Committee would sit until five o'clock, so that if Mr. Hildyard should not be present, Mr. Lee, or some other counsel should be prepared to go on, as the Committee would not adjourn before that hour. Mr. LEE said he hoped to be able to close his case before that hour. Mr. Pinch, of Tpswich, was then called, but was not examined. Mr. George Leather, C.E., deposed that he was well acquainted with the course of the Witham and the proposed loup railway. He deposed as to the height of the different bridges, and the extent of space between the extremities of the arches, and the surface of the water at the different heights of the tide, and of the water in the canal above the different locks, in order to show the height at which it was proposed to place the rails above the water surface. Two other witnesses having been called, one of whom gave tes :imony as to the population of certain districts, Mr. tiILIALAD said he was happy to announce that the case for the Cambridge and Lincoln scheme had closed. The Committee then adjourned at half-past five. PARLIAMENTARY BUSINESS. NOTICES GIVEN AT THE PRIVATE BILL OFFICE. WEDNESDAY, JUNE 25. C, , mmittee on Group P of Railway Bills, adjourned tall Tuesday, July I, at twelve. Richmond (Surrey) Railway,—Third reading, Friday. June 27. Liverpool and Manchester Railway,—Third reading, Fri day, .June 27. Great North of England (Clarence and Hartlepool June. tion) Railway.—Third reading, Friday, June 27. Irish Great We,tern Railway (Dublin to Galway),—Re port, Friday, June 27. Scottish Midland Junction Railway,—Third reading, Fri day, June 27. 'North Union and Ribble Navigation Branch Railway,— Third reading. Frid , ty, June 27. Newr3 and Enniskillen Railway,—Third reading, Friday, June 27. Epping Railway,—Committee OR Bill, Thursday, July 3 : at twelve. Birmingham and Aoucester Railway (Gloucester Exten si,m, Stoke Branch. and Midland Railways Junction),—Third reading, Friday, June 27. Great. Western Railway (Ireland) (Dublin to Mullingar and At hlone ),—Third reading. Friday, June 27. Louden and South Western Railway (No. 2),—Third read irg, Friday, June 27. Newport and Pontypool Railway,—Third reading, Friday, June 27. Nlr. Greene.—Further consideration of the report on rail way Bitls. (At the time of private business) (deferred till Tuesday, Jul) 1.) Lord Granville Somerset,—Resolutions to be proposed as an amendment to Mr. Greene's motior I. That privilege, in regard to the dq, sit of plans, to the giving of notices, and to applications to owners, les , ees, and others, shall he granted to parties promoting rail.vay Bills in , his session of Parliament, which Bills shall, through want of time, and without negligence on the part of the promoters thereof, not receive the consideration of both Houses of Par liament. 2. 'fhat these privileges shall not be extended to parties whose Bill. shall not have been reported to the House, and their several reports taken into consideration and sanctioned by the Howe, unless on the recommendation of the Committee on the group of Bills to which the raid Bills belong. 3. 1 hat each Committee on a group of Bill. mi.) , report to the House, for its favourable consideration, the Bills, if any, which they may not have been able to consider, but which the parties have been prepared to proceed with. 4. That. in regard to Bills so recommended by a Committee, the House will. in this session of' Parliament, decide whether they shall be permitted to enjoy the privileges aforesaid. 5. That par ies wishing to re-introduce railway Bills, privi leged under sash conditions, and exempted as aforesaid from the depositing of plans, and from the giving of notices and making applications Out which Bills, and the lines intended to he sanc.itined by them, shall be in every respect the same as the Bills which have passed in this session a second reading), sha 1 give notice by advertisement for six successive weeks in the months of November and December next, in the Loadon, Edinburgh, or Dub/in Gazette, as the case may be, and in the tweet ' taper or papers which may be usually in cireu'ation in the parish or parishes through which the line of railway is proposed to pans, and such newspaper notices shall have the sante effect, and no other, as the ordinary notices given to indi viduals or otherwise have, in respect to the promoters ot the Bill, and all other persons. 6. That parties propo ing to re-introduce such Bills, privi leged and e xempted generally as aforesaid, hut which Bills shalt propose alterations in the line or construction of the rail way. or in the datum line, or in the sections. or in any other respect whatever, shall give the notices, and make and deposit the plans, and cemply in every way with the ordinary standing orders, so far as the variation extends, and for 1,0610 yards beyond the extent of the variation in each direction. 7. That facilities ought to be sff irded in the next session of Parliament by this House to all such Bills in their progress through this House. 8. That p e titions for such Bills, when re-introduced to the House, shall he referred to the Committee on petitions, which may sit on the fourth clear day after the presentation of the netitein, provided seven clear days shall have elapsed between the first day of the sessio n a n d the meeting of such Committee; that the Committee on petitio ns s h a ll ascerta i n an d repor t t o the House, how far she parties promoting each such Bill have complied with the cond i tions aforesaid. 9. That, in n set where the Committ ee on P e titi on s s h a ll r- port a non-eomehelice .n tLe part of the promoters of a i Bi 1 ( which they sr ek to ititrodace as a privileged Bill) with the conditions and protisions herein contained, the report of the Committee on Petitions be referred to the Stand- Ing Orders t ommittee, and the Stand'' , g Orders Committee shall suggest to the Hons.. the course which they think it will Le most expedient to adopt in regard to tech Bill. Be That, in cases herein the report shall state a compliance therewith, the 11l mei be intrietuced forthwith. and the se 'emit rea 'Mg of the Bill may take place tin the day following the !Trion. 11 The , parties !trimming such e rivileged Bills shall not be exempted teem the necessity of making the eeposit of five per cent. in the ordinary manner. 12. That the Committee on peiitions shall satisfy themselves that an adequate suliacription contract, bit dine in the usual way the subscribers to the undertaking, has been entered into, and is valid at the time when the 8.11 is submitted to them for cossidereiMn. 1:3. The where no petition against such re-introduced 811, or t arts thereof, shall have been presented, the Committee on the Bid, may sit on the third clear day after the second reading of the Bill. 14. That where a petition has been presented against a Bill, or env parts thereof, seven clear days , shall elapse between the second reading of the 13111 and the sitting of the Committee. 15. That to the Committee on the Bill shall be referred any evidence taken in the ' , resent session for or against it ; but that the promoters may offer other evidence, if they shall so think fit ; and petitioners against the Bill in the next session shatl enjoy the same rights, in r egard to evidence, which they ve iuld enjoy were the Bat not privileged. 16. That the reports of such Hilt may be taken into consi , aeration on any day ot the sitting of the House, provided 24 hours' nolce thereof shall be given to the Private [fill Office, and shad appear in the vo tes. 17. That, presuming the House will adopt in the ensuing session the same mode of n ominating and of constituting Com mittees on raiiway Bills which has been established this session, the same Alembers who have composed the Committee on each such Bill in this session, shall, so far as is practicable. compose the Committees to whoa' the re-introduced Bills shall be re spectively referred.—(At the time of private business) (Cc ferred till Tuesday, July 1). RAIL WA BILLS. The following is the r eport from the Select Committee ap. pointed to ir:quire into the state and progress of the several railway Bilis now be:ore Parliament, and to consider and re port their opinion as to what measures should be adopted by the riouse, in order to facilitate the re introduction, and to pre vent expense and delay in the progress through Parliament in the next session, of such railway Bills as it may be found im possible to pass into laws from want of time for their proper in vestigation during the present session Resolved,-1 hat in order to prevent expense and delay in the progress through Parliament in the next sea'inn of such railway Bills as it may be found impossible to pass into laws, from want of time for their proper investigation curing the present session, it is desirable that a Bill should be pas ed to prevent the proceedings on such Bills being discontinued by a prorogation of Parliament. Resolved,—That this privilege shall be extended to such Bills only as shall have been reported to the House and ordered to be engrossed. June 20. PS4S. Tut: A , coT CUP DAY.—" Why sire you on the erosia4m. Jams? Is you father hill?—No. He's drove mo ther (town to Hascot."—r.ori GROUP LL. LONDON AND ERIGHTON (WANDSWORTII) EXTENSION. The Committee resumed at the usual hour, Lord John Manners in the chair. The case of the petitioners against the projected line, on the ground of interference with private property, was gone into. Mr. Sergeant KINGLAKE appeared tor Mr. Rawlinson and several other landowners, and contended that the projected line was not necessary, and ought, at all events, to be postponed. It had been laid down as a maxim by the Board of Trade, and its truth must be universally admitted, that wherever the saute Company and the Caine capital would effect the same purpose it should be preferred. Mr. Rollinson, the proprietor and occupant of valuable nursery grounds and premises at Tooting, consisting of dwelling-house;, conservatories, ornamental grounds, &c.—The line would pass within 108 feet of the entrance to these premises, and completely block up the present convenient and open approach to them by means of a high embankment which was to be raised for the pur pose of carrying the turnpike-road over the railway. Mr. Driver, the surveyor, had valued the land which would be necessary for the projected line at 26,0001., but the tact was it would not purchase a tithe of it. The land had been estimated according to ins abstract value, not taking into account the incal_ culable damage which it would create by severance, and by destroy ing the beauty, a d in many instances the utility, of private pro perty. The proposed embankment near Mr. Rotlinson'e would rise to an height of eighte,n feet, and extend 500 or 600 yards. Now it was manifest that this of itself passing through ornamental grounds would be highly detrimental snd would vastly deteriorate the value of the property. The Learned Counsel concluded by saying that the line was useleis and uncalled fur, The present Croydon line afforded ample opportu nity for conveying property to the Brighton line. Such was the opinion of the 13usrd of Trade, and if at any future period the ex tension Idle became necessary there would be nothing to ; revent its formation. At present the interests of a enmpany, which h. d di voted a great deal of capital to the formate:re of a railway, and the interests of several private individuals, were involved. Ines.. tigation and delay were absolutely necessary, and in accordance, with the recommendation of the Board of Trade, which was based upon good sense and guided by strict impartiality, he called upon the Committee to declare the preamble of the Bill not proved. Mr. John Itollinson, a gentleman residing at Tooting, said the projected line would pass to the north of his premises. He had a nursery there, two acres in extent, whim' was admirably adapted for the growth of peaches and nectarines, both from soil and climate, and upon which a great nerd of money had been ex pen.led; in bet, he could hot carry on his business without it. He had lately purchased land there for 2501. an acre. Them was a most useful spring there, which the line would destroy. His busi ness was almost as extensive as any nurseryman in the neighbour hood of London. The nobility constantly , visited •hirn. The line would deteriorate his property to the value of two thirds 'I he rai road would pass directly through the property, and there was Borne of the property which oust at the rate of 1,0(101. per acre. Cross-examined by Mr. HILL—The grounds were visited by the gentry of the West-end. Mr. Groom, of Clapham, corroborated the above testimony. Mr. Henry Moineux lives at Tooting. Is an assessor of the propert i n• tax. Was well acquainted with the condition of the Tooting people. Most of its mlianitants were connected with trade in the City. The other class of persons were nrechanies. Did not think a railway passing troni Tooting to the west end of Lon don wound be at ail decrable. There were only two caches from 'looting to the west snd of Lonilon—one in the morning arid one in the evening ; anti he very seldom saw them wel laden. Knew Dr. Ford's pro,erty at Tooting, arid thought the projected line, it' carried cut, would be h gin y injurious to it. Other evidence of a similar character was given as regar,is pri vateproperty. Mr. Cubitt. consulting engineer to the Croydon Railway Corn. pany, state', that in the begging of last year he recommended the laying down of an additional tine of rails along the Croy,lon line, and arrangements were made with the Greenwich Railway Coin- piny to bring a single nue of rails to 'he Loncon-bridge station. The object was to take the Brighton traffic along the Croydon line he line was to be constructed accoiding to the atmospheric pin:elide. That line was now in course of construction. and would be a tended with very considerable expenditure. The present lire would then carry what was termed '• the long traffic " Did not think it was uesirable that the Brighton traftic should be brought to Hungerford-bridge, even by a shorter line of railway than the projected sue. Mr. HILL then rose to reply. The Bill was opposed by two bodies, the one a number of private gentlemen landowners, and the other the Croydon Railway Company. With respect to the fii st, all were satisfied by the offers of the promoters except Mr. Rollinson and Dr. Lind. He was anxious to treat with respect private property ; but the man should have a monument of gold erected to ntin who should disco% cr any means whereby great public works I.ke this could be carried out without opetating against the interests and wishes of private individuals. Gentlemen talked as if there were no such word as aotrivensa tion in the English language. There never was any railway passing so near a la ge town which less effected private property than this, d the promoters were willing to makt• all the compensation in their pnwer to those lauded proprietors whose land would suffer by it. With respect to the opposition of the Croydon Raiiway, he disclaimed all wish and intention to damage the interests of the shareholders. It was objected that the arch by which the proposed line would cross it was not large enough, but his clients were quite willing to remove all objections of that nature, by making the arch as large as they could wish it. The Croydon Company themselves admitted some years ago that the London bridge station was not suil,cient, for they agreed to be shareholders with the Brighton and South Eastern Coun- toe Rai:way Company, in a new line of railway from Croydon to the metropolis. It had been allegsd by Mr. Auftin that the Brighton Company would lose 13,0001. a year by the throwing off the Croydon branch. But the thing Willi too absurd to be entertained for a moment. If the Brighton Company (lid not helit.ye they would gain much, instead of losing anything, they would be no parties to the pri.jected scheme, which would co.' them 120,0001. The Learned Counsel then relict puotlation FR ,A IkIORN'ING JITI4TP yr, 1046,„ ~..~{ ~' .. . . IMPERIAL PA itLIAIVI Et , i T. the Earl of Kinn,ird. sntd that the tteeident whieb bad HOUSE OF LORDS, June 26. recently; oecurred on t:::. Gr,-at NV(steta Railwsy did Their Lordships it , Fertided at the usual hour. not ocror it, cot•s:equenee ot a rotten sle,r, r. bot From A great ; number of railway Ells wcre brought up On ,Xl),/ . 1!:,W,i1 trl'A ,f a t -;,ti ;r ,•1' r?ils. ; ..; woAd from the House of Commons. - de: ir... iii.• rt-po; t to It, pria ed and laid on their Lord CORNWALL RAILWAY. ships' tsb:e iratuediatey. The Earl of ST. GERMANS presented a petition LANDLORD AND TENANTS COMPENSATION in tscour of this railway. BILL (IRELA ND). NON-ATTENDANCE OF LORD GARDNER ON Lord STANLEY read the names of the Noble Lords THE GLASGOW- BRIDGE• commaTEE. whom he proposed should constitute a Committte on The Duke of RICHMOND moved that the order of ; this Bil. their Lordships respecting the atterrlanee of Lord Th, Marquis of LONDONDERRY heped that his Gardner to explain his reasons for not attending the ; "me night b ; tomittud in;ra the Committee. as he felt, Committee on the Gla , gow- bridge, of which he was a , .:1 r. from hi- •.bjel•.n ~ o w compulsory clau.-es, that he member. be read. conid 1,,,t Wyk 4it in judcmcnt UP , a it in Committee. A Nont.c Loan said if the Bill ratura , d From the The Clerk havii•g read the order, Lord GARDNER said his non-attendance on the Committee did not arise from any disrespect to their Lordships, and if he had erred, it was- from ignorance of the power which they possessed. When he re ceived the notice, be was not aware of the consequences which would result if he did net attend. Ile bad also his reasons for not attending—first, his ignorance of the standing ord rs. one secondly, his etij-ction, arising from conscientious scruple., against serving on any rail way Committee.—(A laugh.) Their Lordships might laugh. but such was his opii ion Some years ego, Lefere the public were so deeply interested in railways as at the present. aperient, he tiecan e a There holder in many of the trunk lines and alih. tee% he wee pot interested its the stibject in questiop, he, nsvertheless, considered that. he was one of their Lordships who ought to take no part in the railway schemes before them. Another reason for his non-aoendttece was, that he lo ked upon the order of the Noble Lord in the light, of an invitation, which he might either accept or refuse, es suited hie convenience. The Noble Lord was about to read a notice of motion which he held it, his hand, when he was interrupted by The Duke of RICHMOND, who said that before their Lordships entered upon the consideration of anything else it most first dispose of the question before the House. He could not understand how the conscientious scruples which the Noble Lord referred to as a reason for not serving on railway Committees could be pleaded by him as a pretext for absenting himself from the Corn• mittee to which he had been appointed. It was not a railway at all. It was the Glasgow-bridge Committee. There 91'2. no partiality in the selection of any Noble Lord by the Committee, whose province it was to appoint the Members who are to serve upon the Select Commit tees. Quite the contrary, for the question was generally asked them previously whether they would ha willing to serve upon the Committee. He thought that. the Niible Lord displayed great ignorance of what had been going on in that House, when he alluded to the Right Reverend Prelates. He could state that they had been always most ready and willing to attend any Committee to which their Lordships might think proper to appoint them, sad he could see no reason whatever for the insinuation thrown out against them by the Noble Lord. He thought, therefore, that as their Lordships were exempted from serving on juries, from serving as councillors, and as High-Sheriffs, that it would not be adding to their high character if they shirked any duty which the business of the country might impose upon them. The Earl of BESBOROUGH said that it was not his order, or that of his Noble Friend, which the Noble Lord (Lord Gardner) disobeyed, but the order of the House. Upon the Noble Lord asking him whether his attendance was compulsory, he replied that it was not ; but he did not, therefore, - suppose that the Noble Lord would refuse the duty on that account. He could only say that the Noble Lord was put on the Committee he cause it was believed that he would be willing to serve upon it. The Earl of MALMESBURY thnueht that their Lordships (night to be ready to serve one another upon these occasions. He bad served on one Committee al ready, and he would have no objection, as it had been one of short dnratien, to serve on another. Lord BROUGHAM observed that all the Members of their Lordships' House ought to be summoned to attend on these Committees. No preference ought to he shown to one more than to another, and if they did riot attend when properly summoned they ought to be punished. Lord REDESDALE did not consider it would be acting with fairnese towards their brother Peers to call upon those who were at a distance in the country to at tend the Committees, when there were so many Noble .Lords remaining in London. The duties which had to be discharged by the members of the Committee par took less of the judicial character than of the juryman's, and as he was satisfied thet, fr Are the connexion which the Noble Lord—whose non-attendance at the Com mittee to which he had been summoned was now under consideration—had with railway matters, his experience would render him a very efficient member of a Railway Committee. The Marquis of CLANRICARDE said that tii compel the attendance of Peers, residing both in and out of Lon don, on Committees on railways, would be to adopts very unusual course, for which there was no precedent, and it would require great consideration before such a mea sure should be passed into a law. Lord GARDNER said he would take the earliest opportunity of attending in future any of their Lord ships' Committee. which he might be summoned to attend. He would, however, beg to propose the follow ing resolution:—" That my Lords, spiritual as well as temporal, be summoned on the Committees of :heir Lord ships' House, beginning with the highest in the rank, and so continuing down to the lowest." The Duke of RICHMOND observed that he should not he deterred, by the terms of the proposed motion, from abiding by his original statement. The Duke of WELLINGTON earnestly wished their Lordships would discontinue the discussion. " Sufficient for the day was the evil thereof." His opinion was that all the Peers should be disposed to lend their aid in per forming their duties to their Lordships' House and to the public. • The Earl of ELLENBOROUH was of opinion that as the Noble Lord had expressed his willingness to attend the House when required, in future, the subject should be dropped. The Earl of BESBOROUGH considered that the Noble Lord (Lord Gardner) had laboured under some misapprehension as to the power of the House, and had, consequently, not attended the Committee. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said the Noble Lord had given as full an explanation as they could expect. When he was summoned on another Commit tee he Must take what course he liked. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE thought that the explanation should be entered on the journals of the House. Lord GARDNER was understood to withdraw his motion. Lord BROUGHAM said Lord Gardner, having at tended in his pla^e by the order of the House, and having stated that he had laboured under misapprehen sion, he saw no reason why the matter should proceed further.—The subject then dropped. REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE ON 'RAILWAY BILLS. Lord BROUGHAM read the report of the Commit tee appointed on the subject of the Railway Bills before their Lordship. The report recommended that the Railway Bills, which could not be completed this ses sion, should be marked by the Chairman of each Com mittee, and b proceeded with next session from the point where the investigation might terminate during the present session. The Committee had not yet con cluded their labours, but they had thought it right to make this report to their Lordships. The Duke of WELLINGTON moved that the report of the Committee be printed, and taken into considera non at an early day, which was agreed to. CONFERENCE WITH THE COMMONS. The. LORI) CHANCELLOR informed the Mes sengers who brought up a Bill, that their Lordships had appointed a conference with the Members of the House of Commons, which would take place that evening: GAME-LAWS. Lord WHARNCLIFFE laid a Bill on the table for ametidine ' the Game laws. CRIMINAL LAW COMMISSION. Lord. BEAUMONT wished to take that opportunity et' x4E:rig the Neble and Learned Lord on the Woolsack ree - necrieg the report, of the Criminal Law Commis sion ers. Their Lordships would probably remember that Lifter what toe k place last year upon the penal laws, it was thought advisable to appoint • a Commission to in vestigate the general state of the Criminal Law, so tar as related to the various sects of religionists. That Com misein had since prosecuted their inquiries with e makable per4everalice and industry, and their report was now lying sip'in their Lordships' table. The Coin miseioeeis made certein recommendations, amongs t which was, that there should lie one general form of °ale end declaration substi tuted for the form now in use in England, Irelar d, and Scotland, which might be taken or subscribed to alike by Protestants, Cathelies, Dissenters, or Jews. Now, he wished to ask the Noble and Learned ,Liird the question of which he had given notice—namely, whether he would be prepared, in the present session, to lay on the table a Bill to carry out the recommendation ot the Commissioners? The LORI) CHANCELLOR said that he did no more than justice to those who composed that commission, when he said that they had discharged their duty with industry, accuracy, and intelligence. In reply to the question of the Noble Lord, he had to state that he had given directions that a Bill should be framed upon their report, and as soon as the persons who had been en treated to draw it up had it ready, he would lay it on the table of their Lordships' House. 'Elie Earl of ELLENBOROUGH thought it should be the object of the Bill to enable all classes ot her Majesty's subjects to understand what were the laws under which they were living. The LORI) CHANCELLOR had no doubt but the framers of the Bill would give satisfaction to his Lord ship, the Hou- e, end the country. Lord BROUGJI AM thought, as it would take a con siderable time to draw up the Bill, the further conside ration of it should be postpone d till alter the long va cation. The LORI) CHANCELLOR concurred with the Noble Lord that it was a Bill of great extent and impor tance, and the mix , carefully it was prepared the better. tlis object, however, was merely to state that as etein as it would be ready he would lay it upon their Lordships' table. Lord MON ['EAGLE thought that a Bill of such ,;rent importance should be also extended to Ireland. Th LORD CHANCELLOR said, that in framing she report, the Commissioners had had the assistance of the Attorney-General of Ireland and the Lord Advocate of Scotland. If the Noble Lord had any iihjection to make when the Bill was brought forward, he would then have an opportunity to state it. Lord BEAUMONT thought that the Bill should be so drawn rip as to place all upon the same footing. The LORI) CHANCELLOR suggested that the Noble Lord ‘hottlil draw up the Bill himself. Alter a few w,rds from the. Bish• p ot LONDON, the s•it;ject dropped. ACCIDEN T ON THE GREAT WESTERN RAILWAY. The Earl of DALIIOUaE, in reply to a question of !Ji.TYSP Ct..31/11n1! June 26 The SerAirau to.l the ch it shortly before Four o'clock clenorettee in its ereseet form he sheuld propose that it he exsend,d to Eastland and Scsolatid. The Niercpsis et' CI. NRICARDE also objected to be a member of the Committee, rind beggs d that his name mieht he ',misted. Ile objected generally to the nate. e sf the Bill, which he c. nsidered would cause ill- Woes' 'iota:eels landlorda and t• nauta. It was con trary to the sense s , f the wh• Is, of the people of Ireland. The Noble Eatl (the Earl 0 1 Devon) had not. read the evict, nee of any persons who were in favour of this measurs. One , argument made use of by those en gaged in the agitasien in Ireland was, that they were !owns.; nis asurs a se that coeetsy which ware net sought for by the penile, and that the se loons nts of their peti tisses, mut of thus' a nverewnt with theis condition, were o ee t ruted end out voted by those who were igeorant of it. The pro ale to opinion in Ireland was s ssintially against the measnte. By beine a Menther of the Coin. mittee, he should be acting both ungenerously and im properly. Lord STANLEY considered that she Noble Marquis had Set , l in opposition to the rules 4 , f the I !ewe by making a spa ech on the notion which he (Lord Stables) hsd made, He should not reply, after the opinisil of the House, to the Noble Lord's olaectis , n , to the measure. He had felt it his duty to propose that they should be members of the Committee, wino others, on account of the laree stake they had in the country to which the Bill would apply. He was anxious that the measure should receive impartial inquiry and consideration, and that Noble Lords from both sides of the House should he members of the C o mmittee. The Earl of LIVERPOOL said that out of the 21 Peers whose names had been placed upon the Com mittee, 16 were supporters, and 5 epps,nents, of the Bill. The Marquis of NORMA NBY *aid the slate of his health would prevent him from servieg. on the Com mittee; but he would gladly have sacrificed his personal convenience, did he think that by his attendance the matter could be satisfactorily adjusted. The Bill, how. ever, appeared to him to be so highly objectionable in present form, that he trusted the Noble Lord the Secre tary for the Colonies would consent to abandon it for the present session. Earl ROI)EN said nothing could be suggested in Committee which could change his opinion upon the Bill, and he therefore begged to be excused from attend ing upon it. Lord BROUGHAM said the reason given by the Noble Earl was not sufficient to justify his non-attend ance on the Committee. Noble Lords went into the Committee with a view of attempting to improve the Bill, and it mattered not whether the members of the Committee were opponents or supporters of the Bill. If Noble Lords, after the Bill catne out of the Committee, still thought it objectionable, they could oppose it on the bringing up of the report on the third reading The Earl of WICKLOW egreed with the Noble and Learned Lori that, with the exception of the case of the Noble Marquis opposite, no good reason had been stated by Noble Lords to justify their being excused.from at tending on the Committee. The Nebie Earl behind him (the Earl of Liverpool) had he thought dealt unfairly with his Noble Friend the Secretary for the Colonies, in giving an incorrect analysis of the Committee appointed by his Neble Friend. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said unless the Noble and Learned Lord opposite told him that he was compelled to serve on the Committee, he should cer tainly not consent to do so, and he begged to tell the Noble and Learned Lord that he WAS one who would not submit to his mode of diciating in that House. The Earl of LIVERPOOL remarked that, out of twenty one names of the Committee, there were only two that appeared upon the protest against the measure signed by the thirty-seven Peers connected with Ireland. Instead of deserving credit for the impartiality the Noble Lord displayed in selectint! the Committee, he deserved credit for the ingenuity he had evineed in packing it. Lord STANLEY said the Noble Earl was certainly not the person to complain of strong expressions, seeing that at first he had charged him with having produced an unfair and partial Committee, and ttow he talked of the Committee be packed.---(Hear.) Now, although it was certainly true that the majority of the, Peers who appeared upon the Committee had voted in favour of the second reading of the Bill. yet nine, and he believed teniout of the one and. twenty, had expressed themselves adverse to the compulsory clauses, and only eight hail expressed themselves in favour of them, while the last four members of the Committee had expressed no s - pinions at all; and, upon his honour as a gentleman, he had not the least idea of what they were. The Marquis of CLANRICARI)E had no ohjeet , on to serve on the Committee, hut as. the majority of their Lordships appeared to be against the compulsory clans -s, he thought it would be better to let the Bill stand over till the next session, The E-erl of ST. GERMANS thought they ought not to allow an impression to go abroad that the interests of landlords were more attended to in that House than those of the tenants. The Earl of FORTESCUE begged to be excused from. attending as one of the Committee, on the ground of the great personal inconvenience which it would give him. The Earl of RODEN would .be sorry to refuse to at tend, though 'he did not agree with the principle of the Bill. After a few words from the Marquis of LON DONDERRY, The Earl of DEVON honestly confessed that he did not read the evidence, because he was unable to do so by candlelight. He thought, however, that the Bill intro• duced by the Noble Lord the Secretary of the Colonies, would be the cheapest to the tenant, and the most effec tual to carry eut the principles of the report. A .desultory conversation then ensued, in which Lord Cbarleville, Lord R , desdale, Lord Lucan, the Duke of Richmond, and Lord Roden joined. The Select Committee was then agreed to, the name of the Earl of Charleville being substituted for that of the Marquis of Clanricarde, and the third reading was appointed for Monday n.-xt. LANDLORD AND TENANT BILL. Lord PORTMAN moved the second reading of the Landlord and Tenant Bill. Lord BEAUMONT objected to the Bill. He thought that a written agreement was a sufficient guarantee for the teni)nt. It was his usual custom, and he believed that their Lordships would give such agreement at present. And he saw therefore no reason why it should be made cotnpukory to do so. Believing that any inter ference was uncalled for, and unnecessary, he would move that the Bill be read a second time that day six months. The Duke of RICHMOND supported the Bill. He thought that the tenant was entitled to receive compen sation for any outlay he might be pet to. He thought that the Bill was called for, as well from expediency as from a sense of justice, and he contended that it would facilitate the improvement of the country, and the tenants, who were the practical farmers of the country. H e hoped, therefore, they would not throw out the Bill on the second reading. Those alterations which might be thought necessary - might be made in Com mittee. The Duke of CLEVELAND said he sheuld support the measure, as compensation should be secured to tenants for improvements which they might make of a permanentcharacterim the land which was let to them. The Bill was good in principle; and if it did not effect all that was st ,ted, it certainly would not lead to evil. He hoped heir Lordships would consent to the second reading. Lord ASTIBURTON opposed the Bill, on the ground that in almost evey ease where compensation was sought ba the tenant, a lawsuit would be the inevitable result. The word " improvement " was so extremely vague, and might apply to so mary different things. that litigatien could not fail to ensue. S.sme definition ought to be given in the Bill on this point, fer the guid a nce of both the landlord and the tenant, of the nature of the "im provems toa " tor which they would he entitled to cam pensation If it was to be ressulated by the "custom of the country." no object would be gained by the. Bill. as then bad •uch a law at present. Beside s. it was a mea sure which it wisuld n• he (seine this, House to pa-s. • Lord Vs' Fl A RNCLIFFE was sae - opinion th.st a tenant could attain a fair compensation for any improvements which he might ut,,ke at his own expense. at. the pre .• moment. They would also he legislating in a case ist which no legislation was required, for landlords and tenants perfectly understood each other. . • The Duke of RICHMOND said, in explanation, that in some parts of Eneland the custom of remunerating a tenant for "liming" did not exist. Lord PORTMAN considered that arbitration would avoid litigation instead of conducing-to it, and that the word "improvement" was not ss) vague as was 1111/1 toned, as the term was perfestly understsaal. • It was for the purpose of avoiding litigation, which was often ex pensive and unsatisfsctory, that he had proposed that disputes should be decided by the arbitration of com petent persons. He begged pardon for having tres passed so long upon their . Lordships' time, but as he in tended to divide the House upon his motion, he felt called upon to say thus mussh. Their Lordships then divided, when there appeared— For the -amendment—Contents ll Non Contents 7 Nsjority for the atuendmeat. Several measures la in ; on the table were then ad vanced a stage, and their Loriships adjourned. Captain BERKELEY presented a petition from Gloucester against any alteration in the Sentn-Wales Railway. The Gallant Member moved that the petition should be referred to the Ckgrimittre.— Agreed to. COHK AND BANDON RAILWAY. On the motion of Lord BERNARD, the Cork and Bandon Railway Bill was read a third time and passed. Yuitli AND NORTH MIDLAND RAILWAY. rhe;brds' amendments to ihe York and Nor h Mid land ( a;riillo‘vton Branch) Railw a y werr agree d to . The Key Hingham Drainage Bill was read h third time and pasied. HULL AND SELBY RAILWAY. The Lords' amendments to the Hull send Selby Rail. way ( Bridlington Branch) were agrrcd o. Ti•e Lords' ametrimenks to the N weds- h,•up - iti- Tyne Coal Turn Bill were agreed to. WAKEFIELD, PONTEFRACT, AND GOOLE RAILWAY. The Wakefield, Pontefract, and Goole Ridlway Bill wu reported, • -- Mat; HTON. LEWF.S, AND HASTINGS RAILWAY. The L, rd.,' a rnnt)(frrien tr to the Brighton and Lewes, Mid Ifa •tings Halfwit) (Kepner branch) Bill wire Agri ed to. The WeAtAirtster Improvement Bill was read a third time and pas-ed. KENDAL AND WINDERMERE RAILWAY. The Lords' amendments to the Kent al and Winder mere Railway Bill %ere agreed to. LIV 1' RPOOL AND BURY RAILWAY. t The Liverpool and Bury (Bolton, Wigaa, and . Liver pool, and Bury ExtenSion) Railway Feati-a third time and passed. The Lords' amendments to the West London and Westrnina« r Cemetery Company Bil l were arreed.te.: BIRMINGHAM AND GLOUCESTER .RAILWAY. [i.e Birmingham arid Gh ucester (Glouceoer Exten sion, •st-Ite Brt,neh, and Midland Junction) Railwqßill w.s read a third time and passed. • he Sheffield Waterworks Bill was read a third .time and tAtss,.d. . . GREAT RIMSBY AND SHEFFIELD RAILWAY. The Lords' timer durents to the Great Grimsby ond Sheffield jurittion Railway Bill were agreed to. MIDLAND RAILWAY. The Lords' amendments to the Midlrmd Railway (Nottinglum to Lincoln) Bill were a greed to. • • 114, Lords' smendments to the Midland Rodhytiy (syst, , n to Pete! b 11:11 were akried to. WEAR VALLEY RAILWAY. The Wear Valk.i. Bill reporfrd. - ELY AN HUNTINGDON RAILWAY. L o rd,' orm - •ndment , to the Et)' and Huntingdon Railway Bill were ugr« Gel to. • Baerina:n's Estate Bill . was read a third time t!" nd passed, on the motion of Mr. ESTCOUB T. Es - r LONDON RAILWAY. The Wst London Railway. Bill was re:td a third time W• and passed. The Forth and. Clyde Navigation and Union Canal Bill was r. ported: Mr. CUR I EIS present« d several repeals from Nor.: folk and Suffolk, praying for the of the malt dutn•s. The Lords' amendments to the Taunt° Gas Bill were agreed to. LYNN AND ELY RAILWAY. The Lords' ameudments to the I.) nu and Ely Rai! . way Bill were egr , ed to. NUIIESTER ANLEES R.AILWAY. , Th MA e L.:rds' amendments to the Manchester and Leeds Railway (Burnley Branch, and Oldham and Hey woodwilrainse,hessoEsixEteßn4siEoy, B A il N l were agreed to. ' The Lords' amendments to the Wil \ t ' s E , RAILWAY. We) mouth Ithilway Bill, were agreed to.the Captain PEC HELL presented a petition from 1 chemists ar.d surgeons of Brighton against the bled ica d Bill ; also a petition in favour of the amended Bill ; .1 10 a petition against the Parochial Settlement. ill. THE RAJA OF SATTARA. t of Mr. HUME presented a petition from the agen - or bbe the deposed Raja of Sattara, complaining of hei v g of his property. Mr. BROADLEY presented a petition from Und derg. field in favour of a Ten Hours' Bill. SYo:eirifseTt,lland riu i bli b ot Mr. J. O'CONNELL presented petitions from Cork, Armagh, and various parts of Ireland, Sign e r ,i; several thousand persons, against the Colleges ( Bill. Mr. BERNAL and Mr. tit= Ire ano your of a Ten Hours' Bill. Y BAILWA EDINBURGH AND NORTHERN BILL. s or. On the motion of Mr. E. ELLICE this 13111 via. dered to he engrossed. PETITIONS. , wh e inias Mr. HUME resentedp • • from the ' d a petition. . ace had British India Society, complaining that presented petitions in fa in)" 'eulsrly been done to several Indian Princes, wore andores, pray to the King of Delhi, and the Raja of Ssttstr'h e d of. ing the House to remedy the injustice cotePh". FISHERIES. • o f the COO' cuCha,paitaiinssPueEdClLEyLLruitiecisuirfeodr ifththeerLeograS: 6 f the fisheries, and if so, whether these tule t s l.l w: t r i , d .be 'sic! betore Parliament, as directed by the Act ' -what bye' Sir G. CLERK said that he would inottire _.,b, laws had - ,been is,ued by ittei,Board of Trade on the 1:10, ject, and it they ha:.l not been" already House, h , he would take care that they s hould be s °' NOTICES OF MOTION• ow, at Captain BERKELEY gave notice that tOOlorr tion the time of private business, he would dravi thf a ttr e n d 00 of the House to the hardship and injustice inflict ..0, the pantie, by the -pt omoters of railway-schetnesjil,it posing to interfere with the navigation of otos ~t _ _P i l .sea, and navigable rivers, and to nmve that:Co:Owl l' • , should not entertain such schemes without 'the 000 of the Lords of the Admiralty. ros' laid `-before 1 Mr. SMITH O'BRIEN gave notice that to-113°.%ita he shoul.l ask the Right Gentleman ,(1)-hrtog if it vf..s the intention of the Government ~tO V re , forward in that house any measure founded on tb! port of the Land Commissioners of Ireland. ie' -Lord JOHN RUSSELL gave notice ;bat Bill to tendt:d in Committee on the Colleges (Ireland) rd , propose various amendments. The Noble 10`". ; ,' hich laid on the table copies of the atuendmenti: 7 ~... 11.2. , ieteod•-d to proose. They were . as fi4 l ° W , s ,:be First, to insert the `halls" among the -buildingsrita. provald for by the grant ; secondl to omit the cl in hs e don of the money to be applied teach college ton" I d uoty the g ross sum ; thirdly, to give the notni ocri a stl profes.ors. nit. r 1846, to the president, vice-pr sitiev.""the professors ; fourthly, to insert the chaplain beo , . - if " bursars" and librarians. These amtndwee''' adopted, would require s 'me additional clauses. RETURNS. „,ber Mr. HUME moved for various returns of the 04" - a ti s.f visitors, &c. to Westminster Abbey, S Pti d : o s ol t. the Tower, and of the sums received from them, o,r the plumber of visitors admitted rr • I' to 1- ` (/ g a.uttous ) . 4 1 ton Court in the years 1841, 1842,, 1843, and 17,..taet'.'' c ontinuation of former returns on the same so-d Agreed to. . ter ° The HoN. MEMBER also complaine d th at eertsio f l ' a d fOr es' to be made from the Treasury , wh ich he had °Li tbs s some time since, had not been m ade, and to ' they be made forthwith. cl ap . Sir G. CLERK made some . rep l y , which **/"" ' inaudible in the gallery. r ood Mr. HUME—The returns are m ade to the '' ,T t betS' quarterly. All they have to do the n is to cattle; ,itt" The returns can be made in a day , a nd I c ane (A laugh.) . . . . te The motion was agreed to. . elati °g 1 Sir C. NAPIER moved for certa in returns r wets e xper the manning and outfit of the ship s of the squadron, which were ordered. . ‘,; . t a re' '. ' FLOGGING IN THE ARMY, - t he i Dr: BOW RING presented a petition of r e : lgl ied,"; mark able character from Liverpool. It ".!'' ;Itbe u "; 3,185 individuals, and prayed for the abolition and tlte grading punishment of flogging in . the aral is dp 1 0 navy. The petition • had originated with I', the wh ° daughter of Sir W. Ross, and she had obtaiOeu t be of the signatures. . ato 3 o=ffero r 0 , Mr. HUME begged to inform his lion. rets 0 1 had moved for returns in continuation of f.ishrso., of the number of instances in which corporeaidPou 1 , 0 00 1 7,, had been infl cted in the army a nd nav y' alti`A ,boold 0 d tose returns should have been printe, O 00 in the hands of Members, he would call the s' t the House to the subject.—(Flear, hear) , be tabl e t ,...' The petition was then' ordered to lie 0 5 ØI1 1 ` - 0 11 LOCAL JURISDICTIONS IN YOU ton'v 90 Lord G. SOMERSET g.,ve notice tha,. OP Di n to he should move' for. leave to bring in 4 0 certain private jurisdictions in Yorkshire. ~,,,r o T POST-OFFICE COMMUNICATION ‘v_ . " • 0 , SCILLY ISLA N - DS. f c arel t er Captain PECH ELL moved for copies o roo a r to deuce between Mr. Atigustus Smith ,and b% o ;jee ° og ee General, on the subject of the Post-060 5 0 ,00. 133 Scilly Islands, in continuation of certain r 0 for on the 6th , of March. theists li ;. to , a: The GALLANT OFFICER, in referepve goo, which he bad moved for on the 6th 'of i ,; e ctr when it was likely they would be made ? the 5ii,.,.." t o' Mr. CARI)WELL would inquire int°64,otleto" and would inform the lion. and Gallant morrow. Ca . ptain YEtal ELI. asked the We t . - r tis . t'in-13:1° the it t ,,s,,ax S s - jt c . f u et i ar l y A - : I A State for th:: flume p i en ice i ..,- er Bill to-mo w v. j:S:1-CES'CLERKS BILL' 1 3 ' f , l i, i; his inteniiou to proceed with the l'" I- Ge s o i t r e jitu).r,tcelte:v.lA Ni ret lied that it wee. em was p l‘ r, l l E 4l l) r : ci t. 'AtoL stateßlL L. floe' nighs he Lord JOHN RUSELL asked if the - .. not Le r o= I,H ia ,r o i, u v e ti. i would i li ‘ tt ist i thr wu 5 . ledicial Bpailrlerdlise:P6ool be b l . ! expected to state • s "" r're- 1 1., rege• Medical Bill. ' is 1""d°118 Wi NIO O. I'l l .t ) l in i ti L e E o G rd E er of the day for the 110'.151:tt100 r r f°, ! l l i t , co l . s v i : ic :au. react, the report of ;be CO H o war d 6° ntg ' $ S o.b THE HOUSE v king 11 ee Paptrs, On the subject of the case Hogi ll c' 0. „,, e to being , , 1 acc ( s be .... ° l ,be said two of t, 1 errortpnou Honourable and e ase of lit'l vala e: ede l iP ij The bOLICITOR-:3ENE RAL irbd.aunbciebewibthr,,ttihgeh,iruecg; t e . o o - 1.,1 jo ll i 0 0 0: 0 0 - 0 $ to o: the o. observe eourt of Queen's Bench. The,. tided oe lt ee , University ..o of ' Oxford. d a onaniinoutshat that reort was not rell coplijober recommendationuLdeirsn eNd for Worcester, his• Hon. Friend the . ' Me d t he gA e tie r) l o _r Shropshire, had dissented from the ree ° _„d to _jot thatr that report; but he wa s belluof r', notwithstanding this difference ,5 ,., 1 ial° l l,:a the Committee had received most es.''''oese ',ibie thin,m:t and most, desirable assistance (rote, 1000'00, of . nbers.—(Elear, hear.) Ho was - 11710 !jailog vi difficulty of tbe task whiell tieistirol'll dert t a li k e obffleriFeturindetitnii:be:(o„°°: e t.b : ; et , en. or of the hopelessness of .a,0,1 v a s reconcile those differences of opinion wili,:oo lie i he arose whenever the pri.ileges of that 111.,„ shouP os matter of discussion. He was aware theL Popnfs'ooj opposed by two very different classes of 41 0 1 th;losei the one side he should be met by sona°oo ides':; who and powerful Mccabers of thei r P ril o °.'/r lio were on every occasion at %hats that . ria : A l oe should be maintained with a high WO , 1 .`,. setePothet rear to oe y to it= jectcd to everything that bore the r to fulonitti i •g to t hem Col pi' iiv: any question relattv o f the or= e tribunal—to those the recommenostion so d / 0 9 0 0 tee would appear to savour of weaknenr ele ss ' be e i fl ity.—(Hear, hear.) There was anote- _ a 09 ..0 head of which was his Honourable Pilo fie'oet° tier for the University of ONfOrd, 0,00 iotooti pin;. o r 1.a . : in that pirt of tb e , sel'ilivioel. ::Quid hi the in..st unqualifieo_ents, h e poni eo V 1 ith It ga.d to the fi,'St eittO of oppoku_rti, the G oon venture to .i:eniion, in reply to t"' d the 00 6 of some Of the Members who cotorsoe e e / I pee inittee ; and he would select those ° t o lb e any inTidious distinction. Us would taellr , Itttend - a - 1 Cho;e7( and act in . the the S directe cOnarno .4. , uht take any r , 14w , a Could Puree c tody, a Mr. F Rouse, bar, w Privilei the and c in- If commie present Ong tit • and in ae4isp o action the 1, $OllOll Th e teen, e4)nauc •,,not ins of the Per dar rc