The Sun. — London, England, 1851-02-07 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS EDITION. SUN-OFFICE, EIGHT O'CLOCK, IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. (THIS EVENING.) HOUSE OF LORDS. The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Wool asek at Five o'clock. PAPAL AGGRESSION. The Earl of BANDON presented several petitions from places lu the county of Cork against Papal aggres sion, and praying that any measure introduced might be extended to Ireland. The Earl of ENSKILLEN presented several vti tions from various parishes in Ireland to the same effect. The Earl of EGLINTON presented several petititns to the same effect. The Earl of CARLISLE presented a petition to the same effect. The Bishop of MANCHESTER presented several petitions against Papal aggression. The Earl of ST. GERMAN'S gave notice that he should, on Monday, move for the appointment of a Com mittee to consider the complaints of certain persons employed in the inland department of the Post-office. EXTENSION OF THE JURISDICTION OF THE COUNTY COURTS—LAW OF EVIDENCE. Lord BROUGHAM explained that he intended, on the motion for the second reading of this Bill, to amend the law of evidence which he had introduced on the first night of the session. He proposed to carry out the principle of Lord Penman's Bill, taking away ob jsctiona to evidence on the ground of character or in terest, by enabling parties to the suit themselves to be called and exambned either by themselves or by the ad verse party. lie would move the second reading of that Bill at whatever time should best suit the convenience of his Noble and Learned Friend on the Woolsack. Some years since, in consequence of their not having then the benefit of county courts, it became necessary to extend to the pro vinces the bankruptcy jurisdiction, which had been found to work well in the metropolis. Now we had the county courts established throughout the country, and Lord Lyndhurst had, on introducing his measure for ex tending the bankruptcy court juri s dicti o n to the c o un t r y, declarid that such extension was necessary, because they had no county courts. The bankruptcy system of jurisdiction had worked admirably both in the metropolis and iY the country ; its superiority in the country districts, was even more manifest than it had been in the metropolis. But the establishment of the county court jurisdiction had at last come, and great satisfaction had been expressed in all parts of the coun try at the extension of their jurisdiction last year. In five years something like a million and a half of suits had been tried; and under the Extension Act of suits between 201. and 501., no less than four thousand suits had been tried during the course of the last five months. He had been informed by a very learned county court judge, that of those 4,000 suits the greater number would never have found their way to Westminster Hall, but would not have been tried at ail but for the exia fence of those county courts, and that thus but for those courts ju,tice would have been defeated. The blocking up of a court on account of the great expense attending suits was in fact a denial of justice, and that denial had been remedied By the institution of their county courts. It was a matter of great regret that these courts had not been instituted 17 years Up). Another most invaluable part of the county court system was that a hich enabled parties by consent to give the Court jurisdiction in cases of greatar amount than 501. But there was one most important jurisdiction which was not exercised by the county courts. He should wish to see those courts have a reconcilement jurisdiction, which was found to work admirably in Belgium, Denmark, and in every country in welch courts of reconcilement existed. He was new about to take another step for the extension of the jurisdiction of County Courts, and to transfer to them the bankruptcy jurisdiction, which would enable them to effect a saving of the expense of the whole of the bankruptcy staff except the official assigpees. He pro posed that gradually the whole of the bankruptcy ju risction should be absorbed in the County Court jurisdic tion. He wished :o make the change iately, and at the same time effectually. He brought forward this measure now in ori:r that knowing th.t such a measure was in contemplation which would effect a saving of 42,0001. a year, the Go:eminent might not fill up vacancies as they occurred. He saw no reason why, if they had efficient County Court judges in the capital, the bank ruptcy jurisdiction ni;ght not be transferred to them fur the metrop,olis, as well as to the County Court judges in the provinces. He proposed to extend the plan of rt quiring the proceedings in County Courts to he on stamped paper, instead of paying those expenses in fees, which would save the expense of treasurers, inasmuch as by tile adoption of that method the whole of the fees would be collected without expense by the Commissioners of Inland . Revenue. The average of bankrupts during 11..7e years, excluding the years 1847 and 1848, had h:ea 1,304, but during the last year She bankrupiciEs had been only 800. A per lien of that diminution was attributable to the in ereas,d prosperity of the country, but a portion of it was also attributable to the institution of the county courts. The county court judges might exercise their jurisdic tion either as they now did, not being fixed to the spot, or to fix them to the spot; he should prefer that they should not be more fixed than they now are, because it was imfmrtant that they should keep up their constant eriihinunication with Westminster Hall. Tee Noble Lord concluded by moving that the Bill be read a first time. The LORD CH.A.NCELLOR had for many years received acts of kindness from his Learned Friend, and be had never felt more obliged to him than on the present occasion for introduc ing this measure f.,r the amendment of the law. He should he happy to give his Learned Friend every facility, but his Learned Friend could not expect him at once to commit himself by giving an opinion of the measure which had been just introduced, inasmuch as he had not yet had an opportunity of considering its pro visions. Lord BROUGHAM did not desire his Noble Friend to alter, one tittle of the ildl; all he was anxious for was that his N , :ble Friend should take it under Lis care. The bankruptcy-law as it at present stood, was not under stood, by . any one, not even by the judges, and the result_ was that injustice was done. There co,aid he no wonder at the delays in the Court of Chan c-ry when tha judges were unable to understand the law of baLkruptcy as they had been propounded and pLaced, in the statute book of the Legislature. He was angry to 54y If bat such was the fact the Acts of the I.43gtslature with respect to bankruptcy were not under stood by the Legislature. He could conceive nothing worse then a Legislature passing Acts which no one could andurstaud. L ad CRAIN WORTH considered the subject of deep ipiporta.nee. ..As he understoodthe tneAsur,i it was but en • to alter the law Its it at present stood, but to make a dilleren:.6 in the , xecutive that were to carry it out. 1.1. 6 ' 6.;,ree:l with. his Noble Friend (I,rei Bruu,gtha,m) .that the opc,ration of the County Courts ',aeen,most beneficial to the country. No less than upwards of three million of causes had been tried before thoso courts since their institution, and very few appeals had. betta made aga,:nst their.decisiugs. One thing that made these courts popular was the facility they gave for viva voce evideuca. _ A ter a few observations from Lord BROUGHAAI the Bill ii; : as ordered Co be rpad a filut time, a n d th e ; second reading wad postponed sine die. ANSWER TO THE ADDRESS. The AI:WiIiTsoifVESTMINSTER brought up her MajestY's answer to the Address w lich was as follows: " I thank you for .your 10y..1 and dutiful Address. I rely with coitidLoce on your assistance to ims.lL.tlin the rights of my Crown and cordial unity Nvi;h a measure calculated to strenghen 'and unite our inatitutivis." PAPAL AGGRESSION. Lord STANLEY, referring to what had been said by the Lord Privy Seal last night,: wished to knmiv whether any cornm , inication had been made to the y o ble Lord by the lop e stating that he had measures in raw that would affect this country, and whether he had any objection to them. Ile also wished to „know whetter Mich communication had teen made known to Ca - rdinal Wiseman? The Earl of lIIINTO did not think that any such communication had been made to him. lie had some taint recollection of something being said about ecclesi aitical dignity, but ho did not recollect exactly what it was. Lord STANLEY thought the statement of the Noble most unsatisfactory. Mzer soave further observations the subject dropped, and the acute adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS. The SPEAKtII took the Chair a few minutes to Four o'ulock. REPLY OF HBR MAJESTY TO THE ADDRESS OF THE HOUSE. Mr.•LASCELLES, the Comptroller o f h e r M a j es ty's Household,appeared at the bar, and addressing the bpi,aker, said, I have presented to her Majesty the Address of this Hon. Hous e , to which her Majesty has been pleased to return :be following answer 4. I have received with much satisfaction your loyal and dutiful address. Your expression of attachment to my throne is very gratifying to me, andyou may b e a:eurcd of my dctemination to maintain the independ ence and uphold the constitutional liberties of my kingdom." OVFICE OF COUNSEL TO THE SPEAKER. Mr. WILSON PATTEN moved for a select com mittee, to consider the mode in which the duties hereto f.re attached to the office of counsel to the Speaker, with regard to the private business, shall be perf,,rmed; and to propose such regulations re enerally as th ey 3 P2cting, p r i va te businessg b uhere, Mr. Verno Smith, l° t B er tic na ' iSi M r G r. eort ( c. le e rk, Mr. Evelyn_ EobD.ertent- ROU, mr. H enley , S i r J o h n f a rdc Sir &Ir. Hume, Mr. Sotheren , Mr . Brotherton, Sir J , ,hn Duckworth, Mr. Deedes, Mr. Bramston, and 11r. Wilson Patten. The Hon. Member said the House would resollect that a Committee was appointed last ses sion to consider in what way private business should be conducted during the present session, end the ComenittPe among Which v r 7 s tae one to certain resolu tions,recommending the abandonment of several old forms of proceed ing which were found defective and inconvenient, end the Aoptien of other f orms o f proceeding not sub- 1 PO to thOsA 01:1*Livt3. One of the offices, the clutiea ai 'which Were detail e d b y the Committee, 1 was that of counsel to the Speaker. That office was of the greatest possible importance, and required not only considerable experience, but con siderable legal knowledge on the part of the person who bad to fill it. The First Lord of the Treasury, for the reasons he had explained yesterday, thought fit to abolish the office, but however advantageous such a course might be to the public in a pecuniary point of view, it had involved the House in considerable diffi culties. The object, therefore, which he had in moving the appointment of this Committee, was for the purpose of considering in what way those difficulties might be obviated. Mr. IT. SMITH said the recommendation of the Committee referred to by the Honourable Member, and over which he (Mr. Smith) presided, was that on a vacancy occurring either in the office of counsel to the Speaker, or in that of chief clerk to the House, the question of the re-appointment of counsel to the Speaker should be considered. The intention of the Committee was, that some gentleman should be appointed clerk of the House who would alio be capable otLacting as counsel to the Speaker. Mr. LABOUCHERE said he entirely approved of the motion, as ho was anxious that the whole subject should be considered not only on the ground of public economy, but what was of more importance, the due conducting of private business. After a few words from Mr. SLANEY and Mr. J. STUART, the motion was agreed to and the Committee appointed. BOARD OF TRADE. Mr. DISRAI:LI intimated that it was his intention to renew his motion to inquire into the constitution of the Board of Trade. PAPAL AGGRESSION. - Petitions against Papal aggression were presented from places in Essex by Sir R. Inglis; by Mr. Frewen, from places in Sussex; by Mr. Alderman Humphery, from Southwark; by Sir William Verner, from Armagh; by Mr. Plumptre, from places in Kent; by Mr. Fuller, from places in Essex; by Mr. Mundy, from Shirley, in Derbyshire; and by Mr. Alderman Sidney, from Stafford. REPEAL OF THE WINDOW-TAX. Petitions against the window-tax were presented by Mr. C. LusHINGToN, from the Westminster Reform As sociation, and byllr. HOLLAND, from the Mayor, Alder men, and burgesses of Lichfield. Several other petitions were also presented against the window-tax. Colonel SIBTHORP presented a petition praying for the abolition of the attorneys' certificate duty. The Marquis of GRA.NBY presented a petition from the Corporation of Stamford against the Papal ag gression. Sir B. HALL presented a petition to the same effect, signed by 14,500 of the inhabitants of St. Pancras. LANDLORD AND TENANT LAW IN IRELAND. Mr. J. O'CONNELL wished to ask the question, of which he had given notice, viz., as to whether it was the intention of her Majesty's Government to bring in a Bill to amend the relations between landlord and tenant in Ireland; and if so, at what time it will be in troduced? Sir W. SOMERVILLE said that it was his intention at present to introduce some measure upon the subject, but what the particular nature of the measure might be, or at what time it would be introduced, he could not at the present time possibly say. STAMP ACT FOR IRELAND. Mr. JOHN O'CONNELL wished to ask if it was the intention of the Government to bring in a Bill to amend the Stamp Act of last session (13 and 14 Vic., c. 97), or so much of it as confines the trial of all Stamp appeals to her Majesty's Court of Exchequer at West minster, instead of allowing those arising in Ireland to oe tried in that country ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that he was sorry to say he could not answer the Hon. and Learned Member's question satisfactorily. AGRICULTURAL DISTRESS. _ _ Mr. DISRAELI said that, seeing that the Hon. Mem ber for East Yorkshire (Mr. Cayley) was in his place, he would bog to ask him a question, and trusted to re ceive a favourable reply. He had himself given notice of kmotion for Tuesday week far considering the distress which prevailed in the agricultural districts, as it had been remarked upon in her Majesty's Speech. But the Hon. Member (Mr. Cayley) had preceded him with a notice for the same day, fur the consideration of the abo• lition of the malt-tax. Now, as the motion of which be had given notice embraced the whole of the suffering endured under the malt-tax, the question which he de sired to ask was, whether the Hon. Member would give way to him and postpone his motion; and he was induced to ask this question because he believed that it would tend greatly to the convenience of the House if the Hon. Member would postpone the motion of which he had given notice.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. CAYLEY said that, seeing the experience which he had obtaiaed last session of the result which occurred when an independent Member consented to postpone his motion; and that if he once allowed an interruption of his proceediaga there was very little doubt but that he would find himself postponed fur five months—(Hear, hear, and laughter)—it was with considerable difficulty that he prevailed upon himself to yield to the request which had just been made to him—(Hear, hear, and cheers)—yet, seeing the truth of his observations, and considering his position, he could not do otherwise than ask the Honourable Member for Buckinghamshire ( Mr. Disraeli) if, in the event of his own motion failing, he would himself undertake the malt tax? Mr. DISRAELI thanklully accepted the concession of the Hon. Member, and, as it might tend to the con venience of the House, he would now state the sub stance of the motion which he intended to propose. It was to this ;effect—" Seeing that the distress which so extensively prevailed in the agricultural districts had been markedly noticed in her Majesty's Speech, it was the hope of the House that her Majesty's Ministers would shortly introduce some measure for the relief of that distress."—(Hear, hear, and cheers.) DIFFERENTIAL DUTIES LEVIED ON BRITISH SHIPPING IN SPANISH PORTS. Mr. ANDERSON wished to ask Vi!.-count Palmer ston, whether he has yet been able to induce the Go vernment of Spain so far to reciprocate the commercial policy of this country as to abandon the levying of higher duties in the ports of Spain and her dependen cies on goods, when imported and exported in British ships, than when imported and exported in Spanish ships? Lord PALMERSTON said that several communica tions had passed between the two countries, but nothing conclusive had yet resulted. Mr. ANDERSON then gave notice that on the 18th of February he should bring forward a motion with a view to the abolishing of such differential duties. ADVANCES TO IRELAND. Mr. SADLEIFi wished to ask Sir John Ilomilly if he intended to introduce before Easter the Securities for Advances (Ireland) Bill, and a Bill to amend the En cumbered Estates Act? The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that it was his intention to introduce a Bill on the subject, but could not say at what time he should do so. FIRE AT TIIE HOUSES OF PARLIAMENT. Mr. LAWLESS said that, seeing the Noble Lord at the head of the Woods and Forests in his place, he would repeat the questions which he had put last night. Lord SEYMOUR, said that before he could an swer the questions he must make a few observations. He had seen Mr. Barry to-, - ,lay, and that gentleman said he had not been able to ascertain the cause of the fire. There was a great accumulation of wood in the tower. The left of the tower, were the fire broke out, had been locked all the morning, but when the fire was dis covered it was unlocked. With regard to the of xt question, so far as the tower was concerned, all the wood had been entirely removed.—(Laughter.) There were eight tails for high and low water service about the building. Of the four fcr high water service two of them were empty—(Laughter)—while the water in the other two was nut available at the time the fire was raging.—(Laughter.) The low water tanks ought to hav e bf• en c h arge d , b u t Mr. Barry said they were not.—(Laughter.) There were two reservoirs available for the House, one in Orange-street and the other on Constitution•hill, but they were too far off, and Mr. Barry thonght it would be necessary to have another capable of supplying water copiously in case of fire about the House.—(Laughter.) ECCLESIASTICAL COURTS. Sir B. HALL wished to ask the Right Honourable Baronet the Secretary:of State for the Home Department a question relating to the Ecclesiastical Courts of this country. It would be remembered that last session he alluded to an appointment which hod been mare by the Archbishop of Canterbury to a reversionary office in the Prerogative Court worth 10,000/., and to a similar appointment by another dignitary of the Church, and he wished now to know whether it was the intention of Go vernment to introduce this session any measure to remedy those evils, and generally to reform the system of our Ecclesiastical Courts:? He also wished to ask the Right Honourable Baronet whether it was his intention to bring i n an y Bill f or di v idi ng l arge an d popu l ous parishes? Sir G. GREY said a Bill was under consideration with reference to the Ecclesiastical Courts, but be could hold out no hope when it would be brought in. With regard to dividing populous parishes, Government did intend to propose a Bill on the subject. CHOLERA IN JAMAICA. Mr. GOULBURN wished to know if the Colonial the pr any , Department had any objection tolay on the tableog t a re turns they might have received relative to of the cholera in Jamaica; and whether it wa in tention of Government to take steps to reli e ve the the ecolonyin any wily. Mr. HAWES had no , objection to produce all th e paper; on the subject; but with regard to the second question, all he could say was the Noble Lord at the head of the Colonial Department was in communication with the colony upon the matter of relief, and everythin g would be done that was in the power of the Government BOARD OF TRADE RETURNS. Hon. usual the President hip. lE R o l:, I E t he B S wishedoard of Trade to a the Right whenr thelikely to be monthly returns of tr a de and commerce were forthcoming. Perhaps, at the same time, it would be as well for hi m to i nt i mate t h at i t was not hi s intention to bring forward the motion of which he had given notice fOr Tuesday next. Mr. LIS.BOUCHERE hid made inquiries ca the sub ject of tho returns, aa:l he hoped to bo able to lay them before the House on Monday. ECCLESIASTICAL MATTERS. Sir R. 11. INGLIS, adverting to Sir B. Hall's question reported above, said the Hon. Baronet was mistaken in supposing the appointments to which he referred were sinecures, and so he thought the Right H°n. the Secre tary of State for the Home Department could confirm. Sir GEORGE GREY said he had certainly received a communication from the Archbishop of Canterbury to that effect. ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE. Oa tie motion of Mr. C. LEWIS, i t was agreed that the House at its rising should adjourn to Monday. PAPAL AGGRESSION. LORD JOHN RUSSELL'S MEASURE Lord J, RUSSELL, amid the most profound silence, rose at twelve minutes past five o'clock, to ask fur leave, pursuant to the notice ha had given, to bring in a Bill to prevent the assumption of certain eccle siasticle titles in respect of places in the Unio.d Kingdom. The Noble Lord said:' Mr. Speaker,—lt is with considerable anxiety that I now approach th e important subject which I have promised to bring under the consideration of the House. The deep in terest which is felt in the country by all classes of persons; the numerous petitions that have been presented to this House, praying the House to resist any encroachment on the part of a foreign Sovereign; the addresses which have been presented to the Crown—all make it a matter of deep responsibility to undertake the task of bringing such a question under the notice of the House. Sir, that anxiety is not diminished, but increased, by the symptoms which appeared the other evening of the dis position of a great portion of the House with respect to the motion I laid on the table of the House. One Hon. Gentleman (the Member for Sheffield), who spoke on the motion for the Royal Address, warned me not to take a retrograde step on this subject—(Hear)—and another Hon. Gentleman (the Member for Birmingham) warned me, on the other aide, not to intro duce anything less than a complete code to regulate all the relations which may occur be tween the Court of Rome and her Majesty's subjects in the United Kingdom. Now, Sir, with respect to the first observation, that I should not take a retrograde step, I will say that the only retrograde step I pro pose to take is that natural action of a man who finds a blow aimed at his head, and who steps back wards and raises his arm and puts himself in a posture of defence.—(Cheers.) With regard teethe other obser vation, I will not now enter into the consideration of why I differ from the Hon. Gentleman, but in the course of the speech that I shall have to make, I shall have to address those observations to the House which appear to me to belong to the subject, and state those motives which iaduce the Government not to pursue that course w hich he has suggested as the most proper. Sir, in bringing this subject before the House I beg the House to recollect some of the circumstances which had occurred very recently. In the course of the last year the nomination of an archbishop in Ireland by the Roman See was made in an unusual manner.— (Hear, hear.) It was generally understood, and has never been contradicted, that those who were usually elected to the office of archbishop on the part of the Roman Catholics of Ireland, had sent three names, but that instead of any of the learned ecclesiastics being chose❑ for that office, a clergyman who had been long resident in Rome, and who was more conversant with the habits and opinions of Rome than the state and cir cumstances oil! eland,was appointed by the Pope to assume the office of Archbishop in Ireland. No doubt that ecclesiastic showed very clearly that it was not his in tention to follow the usual practice which bad hitherto been pursued by Archbishop Murray and others, of putting himself in communication in relation to any mat ters necessary to be tranacted in England with regard to the Irish people. Presently we found that the synod had been called at Thurles. It was stated that at the synod a question was put whether or not an address be issued to the people of Ireland, and that that motion was car ried by a majority of 13 to 12, the majority of one con sisting in that very person who had been sent over from Rome, and who was entirely un acquainted with the people of Ireland.—(Hear, hear.) If the proceedings of that seised had related only to the internal discipline of Rome—if it had been shown that its proceedings only referred to matters that re quired alteration and amendment in the Roman Catholic Church—however unusual, and entirely without prece dent, the:assembling of synod might be—for no such thing had taken place since the time of the revolution—l should not have telt surprise at the manner i❑ which the se nod had acted. But a great portion of the address which the synod had issued was taken up by two subjects. The one was the danger of the system of education by the establishment of colleges in Ireland by her Majesty's Go vernment, in conformity with an Act of Parliament, and it stated that the principles upon which those colleges were established were principles which were opposed to the inflexible nature of the Roman Catholic religion, and it was poiuted out in the address !hat these colleges could not exist without destroying the morals and religion of the Roman Catholic youth. The other part of the address was taken up with a de scription of the poorer portion of the peasantry of Ireland, with respect to the manner in which their landlords had dealt with them, and no language was omitted that could excite their feelings against the owners of land who had enforced the process of the law against their tenants. Now, Sir, lam not going on 'the present occasion to enter into a defence of the establishment of the Queen's Colleges in Ireland, nor to discuss the question whether the Irish landlords have acted with discretion or humanity in asserting their legal rights, but I wish to point out to this House this most im portant circumstance, that on a question of occupancy of land, the synod, composed entirely of Roman Catholic ecclesiastics, from2whieh all the laity were excluded— that Synod had thought proper, at their first meeting, to issue an address to the Irish people on what, was their duty to, and what ought to be their conduct towards, their landlords.—(Loud cheers.) I will ask the Honourable and Learned Member for Sheffield whether this was entertaining and considering purely spiritual concerns. —(Loud cheers.) I would ask him whether this House and the Government of this coun try can see a Catholic archbishop‘appointed and a synod called together—whose first proceeding was to hold forth to the people of Ireland, its opposition to an Act of Parliament which had been "'passed for the purpose of educating the people of Ireland, for the purpose of educating the poorer and middle classes of society, and also exciting the minds of the peasantry of Ireland against their landlords.—(Hear, hear.) Sir, this is an instance at all events to show that the synod did not deal with purely spiritual matters. The interference of elerical persons with the temporal and civil concerns of the State has been attempted ror the first by this synod in Ireland, not as a beginning not to be followed up but as a beginning to be maintained and followed up, and to be asserted on Jtiture occasions with more potent effect.— (Loud cheers.) There is a part of this transaction to which I will direct the attention of the House. I re ceived a copy of this address, and on the title-page was signed by the Archbishop of Armagh as Primate of Ireland. About the same time I received a communication from the Lord-Lieutenant of Ireland, a communication to the Effect that the matter had been referred to those conversant of the law, and they had said they could not do anything in the matter, as the words did not appear upon any document aunt to them. I will refer to an occurrence which took place some time since in Sardinia, L had been the law of that country that ecc:esiasties were not liable to civil tribunals. Some time ago, the Sardinian Parliament at Turin altered this law, making the ecclesiastical courts liable to civil courts. One of the Ministers who had brought in this law, and who had given his name to it, being questioned on the subject by the Archbishop of Tuam, replied in a manner which was not satisfactory, and it is known that he died without receiving the sacraments of the Church, in fact as one out of the pale of the Church. That is an instance of spiritual power and spiritual censure for the purpose of controlling and directing a Minister of the Crown and a Member of Parliament, in his conduct relating to that Crown and Parliament.— (Hear, hear.) I beg the House to observe these things because they are not altogether foreign to us; they may not yht be introduced to us this year, but we are told in that country to which I have alluded that the doctrines of the Church of Rome are inflexible, their maxims unchangeable.—(Hear, hear.) They may not think it expedient to introduce such practices at present into this country, but they retain in their own hands tho power of applying those measures and that spiritual power. About the same time a manifestation of Romish interference took place in Belgium, a Government which had shown more favour to the independence of the Ro man Catholic body then any other country in Europe, because they had allowed the Roman Catholics to enjoy their right of appointment to benefices, while the civil Government entirely retrained from interfering with the nominations of the ecclesiastical body. The ecclesiastics, by expedients of their own, had managed to got the direction of the educational system of Belgium into their hands; and when the civil Governmeethad taken some steps to interfere with this subject a document was circulated by the ecclesiastic bearing upon the question at the time when an election was anticipated for the purpose of influencing the chambers. The chambers, however, came to no decision nnfavourable to the Go vernment, and it was thought necessary to instruct the Belgian Minister at Rome to assure the Secretary of State that no disrespect had been intended to the Court of Rome. Now I come to the pro ceeding in this country. At the end of Septem ber, a letter apostolic, sealed with the fisherman's seal was received in this country altering the ecclesias law of this country, altering the ♦icars apostolic, and proposing to establish an archbishop and bishops among whom the country was to be divided. Sir, I shall afterwards state the view which I take of that document. what I wish to state now is, that that change was made entirely without the consent, and, I may say, without the knowledge of the Government of this country.—(Great cheering.) I had stated in this House, in answer to a question from an Hon. Member, that I could not approve of any such scheme. I had been told by a private friend, of the Roman Catholic persuasion, that such a project was in contemplation, but I had told him that I should never consent to such a pro ject being curried out. I heard nothing more of it, and I concluded perhaps weakly that the Government of Rome being a friendly Government, and would never think it possible to create archbishops and blehops and of dividing this country without communicating at least that project to this Government.—(Hear, hear.) 1 could not believe that it would have insulted the Queen.—(Great cheering, which continued for some m i nutes .) It appears that 1 must have been mistaken. I have eeen in a letter, or supposed letter—(Hear, bear) —of Cardinal Wiseman, at least in a publication ascribed to that personage, that the Earl of Minto was cognisant of the measures which were in progress, when he was at Rome, for the establishment of a Romish hierarchy in England.—(Hear, hear.) The Earl of Minto has given a public and emphatic denial to that statement.—(Louti and continued cheering from all parts of the House.) I am told that the Earl of Minto was present with th e Pope when this design was in agitation.—(Hear, hear.) It is very true that the Earl of Minto had an interview with the Pope, and one day when his Lordship was with him, he said, referring to some papers which were la ing on the table, " There is a project which affects you."— , Cries of " Hear, hear.") His Lordship might ob serve the papers, but cannot recollect tie circumstance, or at least the particular sense in which the words were [ uttered.—(Hear, hear, and cheers.) I am not at all surprised at this, and most certainly his Lordship used no expressions which could at L all be strained to imply anything like consenting to the violent measures which had been adapted with respect . to this country.—(Hear, hear.) In the various inter views whieh he had with the Secretary of State, no al lusion whatever was made to this subject, nor was he led in any way to suppose that such a measure was in progress. Nor was anything further said, than that " there is something that concerns you."—(Year, hear.) Now, having said this, I must refer for a moment to the conduct which has usually been observed by: all ecclesiastical bodies in the several states of Europe. It has always been the custom for the ecclesiastical powers to press upon the several temporal powers in every state.—(Loud and repeated cheering.) I have myself had frequently to repress the aggressive conduct of the ecclesiastical body of the Church of England when it has been partially or unitedly attempted to trespass on the spiritual or temporal liberties of other ecclesiastical subjects in the realm.—(Hear, hear.) And ii this be the case with ordinary ecclesiastical bodies, how much more so was it with the Church of Rome, the members of which were more than any others devoted to the ser vice of their ecclesiastical soperiors, and subject to a power which claimed for itself the quality of infallibi lity.—(Hear, hear.) But in the first place I must refer to the peculiar practice of the church of Rome, and if we may judge of the instances which have come to our knowledge, the Church of Rome has at all times been opposed to the progress of liberty and civilization, whether exercised over men or states. I will at once show how this power was used when applied to a state which was confessedly Roman Catholic. It was asserted by Pope Boniface VIII., when writing to Philip the Fair, King of France, that it was part of his work to exercise an influence over the temporal as well as over the spiritual con cerns of the nation. Now France was con fessedly a Roman Catholic country, and one which had uniformly and energetically contested the domi nation of ecclesiastical bodies. Yet, notwithstanding all the opposition which was( made to that domination, Cardinal Galbani continued to assert the same principle. ' I have read with great pleasure and instruction the ' work of Dupin, who is now President of the Legisla tive Assembly of France, but who before he attained to ministerial office had turned his attention to the study of the progress of ecclesiastical bodies. The observations of that eminent authority all tended to show that this imposing domination would ever be exercised. He said that the Church had always kept her efforts in exercise for the accomplishment of her objects. She had gained every ' thing and lost nothing. She knew neither infancy or widowhood, and therefore was always in progress.— (Loud cheering.) And here be had a word of admoniton fur the Hon. Member for Sheffield (Mr. Roebuck); M. Dupin went on to say that philosophers thought that they would be able to stop her pro gre.s, but philosophers found that they were mistaken. He held that the greater part of men, whether from re ligious convictions, whether from habit, or whether from a regard of the opinion of the world, are governed by religious feeling, and do not (attend to the opinions of philosophy. Sir, after the opinion of M. Dupont states in a very small book, but containing an immense quantity of learning upon the subject of the rights of states, what the liberties of France are. Now some of these—and so with regard to other states naturally enough relate to the ap pointment of bieohps and other ecclesiastical officers; which were dependent upon it in any way, received sala ries or emoluments from the state.—(Hear, hear.) Well, Sir, but even supposing that those who conform to the will of the Pope ought occasionally to be tolerated. there aro maxims that have been establised by law, maxims established by the dicta of all the courts of justice in France, which are well worthy of our attention.— (Hear, hear.) One of these is, that no command of the Pope can be received in France without the consent of the Sovereign. This rule applies not only to appointments to ecclesiastical benefices and bishoprics, but it applies gene rally to anything that may be ordered by the See of Rome. There was another maxim which was laid down amongst these judges which likewise is well worthy of our attention. In order to preserve entire the temporal independence of the King of France, it was laid down, that if any person should introduce any Bull or instrument affecting the spiritual excommunication or censure of any persons in the ser vices of the King of France, all his goods and property should be forfeited to the Crown. Sir, tbat was a very important and strong power, but one which was rendered necessary by the assumptions of Rome herself, for had the King been left without this power, he would occasionally have been in a state of extreme insecurity. Such, then, were the general maxims, such were the laws of France, during the time of Philip the Fair, and the power, too, was ex ercised by the Kings of France under the monarchy. by Lewis the 11th, a saint of the Roman Catholics. A VOICE—No; Lewis the 9th. Lord J. RUSSELL—Yes, and Lewis the 11th and Henry the 4th. All these princes exercised the power as fully as it had been exercised in any subsequent time; but there is another circumstance which I think well worthy of our attention, because it completely an swers the argument tbat with respect to what has once been done by Rome cannot be undone. Now, according to the concordat made by Napoleon at the commencement of the present century, in connexion with the Pope, that the archbishops and bishops of the Roman Catholic Church of France were entirely de prived of their rights. here is another circumstance of that nature with eccut r in 1817, when the King of France, bowing to the wish of the Legislative Assembly of that period, induced the Pope to annul a decree abolishing the concordat of Napoleon, and from that time to this the concordat of Napoleon and the law has remained the same.—(Hear, hear.) Now, do not tell me after this, that the Pope can never retrace his steps.—(Cheers.) Do not tell me that what once is done by Rome must remain in force for ever, and can never be altered.— (Loud cheers.) Do not tell me that whatever re sistanoe may now be made by the nation to the edicts of the Pope is useless, because Rome will not listen to our remonstrances, or recall her decrees.—(Cheers.) Sir, I pass now to what was once the law of Austria.—(Hear.) Austria was once a great Roman Catholic power, but the laws that she made were of the most stringent de scription respecting the introduction of Papal bulls with respect to Papal appointments, and with respect to Papal offices. She declared that the civil power was supreme, and that nothing should be admitted into die empire without the sanction of the Emperor, that no document should have force without the sanction of the No intercourse is to take place between the clew in Austria and the Pope without the knowledge and sanc tion of the civil power, and that the very document which proposed to inflict spiritual censure or excommunication should be subjected to a mixed body of the clergy and laity, and should not be carried without their concur rence. This shows, then, with regard to another great Roman Catholic power, the encroach ments of the Church of Rome on the temporal power of Austria. Sir, having stated the practice of these two principal provinces of Enrope, I will not go far into any of the others, but I will state generally , that no Roman Catholic power, which as far as we be lieve—but be fore I complete the sentence—what the Emperor of Austria last year (1850) has made a new constitution with respect to the clergy, and has permitted intercourse, by bulls, between his ecclesiastical subjects and Rome without the knowledge and sanction of the temporal power, and therefore with out his sanction—(Hear, hear)—but I was going to say that with regard to the Roman Catholic powers of Europe there is no one, so far as I am aware, that would permit any bull to be brought into the country without the previous sanction of some civil au thorities of the country. Such is the case with regard to Portugal. Her Majesty's Minister at Lisbon has in formed us that no bull is permitted to be published and inculcated in Portugal of _which notice had - not been previously given or which had not re ceived the concurrence of the reigning powers. We have been told that in Prussia, one of the greatest Protestant powers, that though the King, out of regard to his Roman Catholic subjects, has given a power by which the appointment of bishops is regulated by the Pope, yet that when it was proposed to create a Bishop of Magdeburg and s ome others in the Protestant territories of Prussia, the Government imme diately reversed the articles of the treaty of Westphalia and refused totally and entirely to givr their consent to the introduction of these bishops.—( dear, hear.) Well, Sir, at least one inference is to be drawn from this narrative—that no country in Europe in which the Pope would have endeavoured to pass this insult which is offered to the Queen of England.—(Loud cheers.) He now came to the character of the Bull which has been introduced into this country.—(Hear.) This document purported to be issued without the smallest reference to the United Kingdom being an independent state. There was not a used in it from b eg i nn i ng to en d, acknowledging that any authority ex i ste d w h ose conse nt ought to have been asked. The ar c hbi s h op i who is mentionedn it is spoken of as the archbi s h op o f t hi s grea t c ity, where the Queen holds her co urt , an d w h ere s he meets her Parlia ment. Other bishoprics and other sees are pretended to be created in various parts of the country which are now under the bi s h ops o f t h e Established Church. In the document issued by Cardinal Wiseman, in pursuance of the letter of the Pope, he declares he will, and that continue to govern the countiss of Middlesex, Hart fold, and Essex.—(Cheers.) Now, he could not see anything in these words but an assumption of terri torial authority. Some may say this was all a matter of form in the custom of the Roman Catholic Church. I do not deny the authority of those forms, but there is another form which has not been mentioned, which began, " Victoria, by the grace of God."—(L ou d cheering.) I am ready to admit that this was only an assumed authority; but I owe no gratitude, and thanks to tiesse who do n o t attempt to enforce it, because I know it is utterly impossible for them to do so. But it is quite enough for tne to know that it is an assumption—(Cheers)—and if any person bad come during the time that the Pretender was residing at Rome, and said he had been appointed by him Lord-Lieutenant of kMiddlesex, the real Lord- Lieutenant would still exercise authority, but the person who improperly assumed it would be subject to is penalty. Now, Sir, I must refer for a few minutes to that which has been done in former times in this country in Roman Catholic times with regard to the power of the pope. I find our Catholic ancestors were as jealous as we could be of the encroachments of the Pope. I find 112 the time of William the Conqueror that he would have no sees created by the au thority of the Pope, but they were created by the authority of the King. I fled that in the time of Edward I. a person was excommunicated by another person, who prosecuted the person who exccmmunicated him in the King's courts. He was found guilty of high treason, and it was only on the supplication of his counsellors thet the King did not carry the sen tence into effect. In the time of Edward 111., petitions were presented to prevent bulls, writings, &c., being allowed in this country. It had been found necessary by our Catholic ancestors to resort to means against the power of the Pope, and the statute of prce munire had therefore been passed, the 16th of Richard the Second. I will now proceed to state the course which the Government, on being made aware of the publication of this Bull, had taken, and the course they now propose to take. The first proceeding which the Government took was to ask the law officers of the Crown whether the persons who had assumed these titles came under any known law, and what would be the effect of a prosecution, the opinion given was, that with regard to the assump tion of the titles with reference to the existing stetutee and the state of the common law it was illegal, but it could not be prosecuted with effect. (Hear, hear.) Furthermore, they said that the introduction of letters apostolic into this country was illegal, and was an offence for which a prosecution might be commenced, and the judge would declare that the parties had rendered themselves liable to a penalty ; but they said that the statute which prevented the in troduction of any bull or writing of the Pope into this country, had not been for so long a time put in force, that if they were used for the purpose of a prosecution fur assuming these titles, on the ground that it was by the authority of a bull or writing from Rome, would most likely fail, as the statutes had been so long in disuse. The House will be of opinion whether, with this opinion before them, the Go vernment would have done right to institute a prosecution. Nor do I think that such a prosecution would lead to any useful result. It would have been with great repugnance that, on the first occasion when we thought we had reason to complain of the introduction of such bull, that I should have ordered a prosecution without first having noticed a practice which had so long been carried on, and which had been left unnoticed and apparently tacitly consent to. There is a further difficulty, and I wish to state to the House the whole difficulty upon that subject. No doubt according to the statute of Richard 11. in certain cases the introduction of bulls containing assumption of power would be a grave offence, and subject the offender to the loss of his property. This had been decided in the case of Lawler, in the reign of James I. There was likewise a statutous prohibition in the I 3th Eliza- F beth, vv;th respect to the introduction of writings from Route. In 184 S, that part of the statute of Elizabeth which fixed the punishment of treason on any such offences of that nature was taken away. and it was declared that the repeal merely extended to the penalties, and there was nothing in that repeal to render it lawful to introduce any such bulls or writings. Accordingly, we might have pro ceeded on such grounds, and with such an issue and such probable result, under the statutes to which I have re ferred. But then a further question arises, whether, if these statutes have fallen into disuse, would it not be more advisable to make a new enactment with respect to the in troduction of these writings or bulls from Rome. This was an important part of the great sub ject, and it appears to me that you may legislate in one of two ways. One is to enact a general prohibition against the introduction of any bulls from Rome which may affect the peace of her Ma jesty's dominions. That is one course; but then that will leave the law excedingly vague, and it will be found difficult to define in that enactment what shall be deemed as disturbing the peace of her Majesty's dominions. Then there was another course to prohibit the introduction of any bulls, except until they have undergone the supervi sion of some officer or board. This is a course which is taken in several of the continental nations of Europe. But the course would be also attended with this difficulty, that it might be occasionally conceived that teh Catholics had been treated with harshness, or on the other side that bulls dangerous to the state had been al lowed to enter the kingdom which slimed have been ex cluded. In a free country, and with a free Parliament like ours, this would give rise to considerable discus sion, and I should be sorry to introduce that clement ieto Parliamentary discussion. In legislating for this diffi culty we have not thought right to repeal the ancient stasutes, nor to enect new prohibitous statutes. This decision we have come to after a very anxious discussion. Such a provision as this he intended to introduce into the Bill.—(Hear, hear.) Such provisions as this were introduced into the Boman Catholic Relief Bill. He had understood that a pastoral address had been issued the year after the enactment of that relief by the hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church of Ireland.—( Hear, hear.) That address was received in the best of all possible spirits by the country at large, and the most loyal attachment was mani fested by the Roman Catholic subjects of that country atter the passing of that Act. Ido regret, then, that Archbishop Cullen has stated his feelings upon this matter at the present time in language which is anything but respectful to the British Legislature. I have now before me the address issued by the Roman Catholic Prelates upon, or rather shortly after passing the Roman Catholic Relief Bill. The Noble Lord then read a long extract from the address to which he had alluded, and then proceeded to say—l do think that it would be well that Archbishops Cullen and Mackay should have considered the sentiments which had been expressed by their predecessors upon the Act of 1829, and I do believe that if they had done so they would have either entertained thoughts more consonant with at tachment to the Throne and respect to the Legislature, and that they would have thought the conduct of those who went before them well worthy of imitation. But they seemed to entertain no gratitude for the passing of the Bill to which I have alluded ; and I therefore conceive that the attempts to subvert the objects of that Bill by the establishing of a Roman Catholic hierarchy in this country may well be, and ought to be met by provisions in this Bill, if rue House will allow me to introduce it.—(Loud and continued cheering.) It does not seem to me that there can be any objection to this course. It makes little difference ' in my opinion, whether the assumption of a title to the Archbishopric of Canter bury, with ecclesiastical power over the diocese, or whether a title of Archbishop of Westminster be taken with a diocese carved out over which there is already an ecclesiasti cal authority. I do think that the change from the title of vicars apostolic under which the Roman Catholics have been governed for nearly 200 years by an assumption of titles drawn from dioceses in this country, and under British towns, is a direct violation of the supremacy of the British authorities.— (Hear, hear.) The way in which I propose to meet this evil, if the Houss will grant the power, is, in the first place, to cause all gifts made to Roman prelates absolutely null and void, and to in troduce clauses by which the objects of those gifts shall de facto be vested in the Crown, to be applied to such uses as the donors shall direct, or to be appropriated as the officers of the Crown may think fit. —(Hear, hear.) I am aware that in several cases there has been a transfer of property from those who have hitherto held it to other per sons, who have been named by the authority of the See of Rome or by persons assuming to act as bishops upon the authority of the see of Rome. I was told of an instance of this nature the other day. I will not name the place, but it was near the sea coast, where a priest was deprived of the income which he had hitherto held being informed that by ecclesiastical authority it was found that such property and such interest could be more usefully employed in other places- Now, Sir, we purpose to take power to defend the Homan Catholic laity against such attacks as these. It is desirable that we should do so, and the clause I propose to introduce into the Bill, will in a great degree do so. Hit should be necessary to introduce other measures for this purposes in the Bill of my Hon. and Learned Friend the Attorney-General which he will introduce with regard to charitable trusts, further securities will be taken to guard the Roman Catholic laity against the transfer of their property into hands for which it was not originally intended. Sir, there is a more difficult question which the Hon. Member for Youghall may raise with regard to the means that have been employed to obtain a transfer of some of this property, a means which is found in the spiritual sensate directed against the pro fessors of the Roman Catholic religion.—( Hear, hear ) That, Sir, is a far more difficult question, and it can hardly be leached unless we adopt the spirit of the ancient law to which I have referred, and import it into the present Bill, which at present Ido not propose to do. I have stated that, in the first place, this Bill is to prevent the assumption of any title taken not only from any diocese now existing, but from any territory or any place which is subject to the authority or belongs to the United Kingdom.—(Hear, hear.) That provision is in conformity with the proposal which 1 saw was made the other day by the Bishop of London He said that he thought that not only ought we to prohibit the assumption of tines of existing sees, but we ought to prohibit the assumption of titles derived from the name of any place in the United Kingdom. What I propose, therefore, by the clauses of this Bill agrees with that suggestion ; and, perhaps, I may mention that when I informed the Archbishop of Canterbury that it was not intended by the Government to institute a prosecu tion, he said, ‘. I did not expect the Government would do so, but what I do expect is that some legislation should take place upon the subject." Sir, I think, therefore, that in deal ing this way with respect to what I consider an insult to the Crown of this country, an interference with the rights of the Established Church of this country, and an attack upon the independence of the state, we are pursuing a right and proper course.—(Hear, hear.) By another clause, to which I have alluded, I think we shall have an security that persons will not obtain possession, under the,e titles, of property which has been given to other objects.— (Hear, hear.) I have now stated the effect of the Bill which Ipropose withto intro r d e u g c a e r ; dt the House will I r l o proceedings betweene it is en tirely different form the pr o p osa l of the new system th e See of Rome and this country.—(Hear, hear.) I think, whatever may be our ultimate legislation upon this great subject, we are not in a condition at present to frame any measure carrying out that system.—(Hear, hear.) I think that much will have to depend upon the spirit in which legislation is received, by the obedience which is paid to it by the directions which may be given by him who has taken upon himself—no doubt taken upon him self quite naturally and fairly the responsibility of representing at Rome the opinions of the Roman Catholic clergy in this country, and of inducing the Pope to under take a review of his recent measures, a review of their power and condition.— (Hear, hear.) That individual has it in his own power to remove a great part of the ob jection that has been felt to this assumption. If he will only confine himself to the title which the Pope originally gave him, and which exclusively belongs to or is recognized by the Court of Rome.—(Cheers.) I should take it, if he has a regard for the welfare of this country, if he has a regard for the peace and stability of the Catholic communion, the best cuurse he can take is to retrace his steps, and to renounce the title which he has assumed in this country, and rather carried out that which I believe was his original intention— at least at one time he assured me it was—namely, the in tention of residing at Rome, and taking upon himself only a Romish title.— (Cheers and laughter.) But, sir, if other council should prevail, and he should be able to instil the notion into the see of Rome When a proposal was made in the course of last year to give to the Bishops of the English Church a power which I thought would give them control over the temporal well-being, and the property of the clergy, that proposal was rejected as being dangerous in principle, and successfully rejected b y my colleagues i n the place in which it was pro posed. But, Sir, if that was the case with regard to Protestants, we have expressed the utmost attach ment to freedom; if that is the case with regard to the Church of England, which is, I believe, of all Established Churches, the most tolerant, and the most consonant with the freedom of our institutions; if that be the case, shall it not tell more strongly as au objection to the effort of the Church of Rome to introduce the Pope's temporal supre macy in this c ountry : —(Cheers.) I cannot, Sir, forget that not alonc in ancient times, but also in the most recent times, opinions have been put forth on Ithe part of Rome totally abhorrent and opposed to our notions both moral and religious. a practice kept up at the Court of Rome of prohibiting the study of the works of Robertson, Arnold, and others, and even, among others, the Greek lexicon—(Laughter)—when I see these things, so great an aversion to religious liberty, so determined a wish that the books which contain not any question of doctrines, but narratives which In those cases our ancestors had said they would resist any attack that should be made against the Crown or its regality in every point and with all their power ; and so say I, Sir, we will now main tain the Crown and its regality in all points and with all our power.—(The Noble Lord then sat down amidst loud cheering.) Mr. ROEBUCK then rose and said that the Noble Lord had commenced his speech by stating his deep sensibility and anxiety as to the responsibility which rested upon him as to this question. He had cer tainly begun by laving a foundation sufficiently broad. He not only referred the House to this country in past ages, but he had referred to the former history of the Continent, for he had referred to Austria, Prussia, Holland, and the Netherlands. If he (Mr. Roebuck) SUMMARY. Those persons who thus would not allow any usurped power to come into England were all believers in the Roman Catholic faith. So also was it in the time of EDWARD III.; and this was not confined to mere spiritual affairs as Mr. BOWYER said, but because the Roman Court sought to interfere in the ordinary concerns between man and man. Thus he had shown that in the times of our Roman Catholic ancestors there had always been a consistent and befielieved a wise jealousy of the interference of the Court of Rome. When the recent aggression had been made, the law officers of the Crown had been consulted, and they had given it as their opinion that according to law the assumption of these titles was not illegal, but that the letters apostolic was contrary to law, but that the law prohibiting the introduction of bulls from Rome had not for a long time been put in force, and to the disuse of it would probably cause a prosecution to fail Under these circumstances it was not thought desirable to institute a prosecution, besides he felt a great repugnance to prosecute persons for doing that which had so long been permitted, with out any notice being taken of it. No doubt arose as to the propriety of making a fresh statutory enactment. They might enact a declamatory enact ment, reversing the old law, or they might adopt the course of enacting that no Bull should have cur rency until having been submitted to the civil power. According to the statutes of Richard 11. the introduction of Bulls from Rome was a grave offence; there was like wise a statutary provision against such an introduc ti on in the Act 13 Elizabeth. The penalties im posed by the statute bad been repealed, but the intro duction'of such Bulls was not thereby rendered lawful. The objection to the first case was that it was vague and to the second that it would involve the Government in constant discussions with the Roman Catholic body, and it could in t be a great evil to introduce such an irri tating topic into Parliamentary debate. Therefore the Government had thought it best to adopt neither of these courses, but while on the one side they did not relsx any power at present given them by law not on the other to propose any which might lead to further debate. He now came to the measure which he was about to propose. ;On introducing the Catholic Relief Act, Sir ROBERT PEEL bad proposed that the titles of English Prelates should not be assumed by the Prelates of the Roman Catholic Church, and had intro duced a clause in the Act to prohibit such assumption. In the following year, in a pastoral address, the Catho lic Prelates of Ireland declared, in language which con trasted strongly with the language recently used by Dr. CULLEN, that the Sovereign and the Legislature were entitled to the gratitude of those Prelates, and it would be well if Archbishop CULLEN, and Archbishop M'HanE, would refer to the language there used, and to consider if the example then set them was not worthy of imitation. It was believed, and he believed not with out foundation, that one reason for the change from vicar apostolic to bishop, Was to enable the bishops to exercise control over larger endowments,which were in the hands of Catholic trustees. He proposed, therefore, that no such titles should be permitted to be assumed by these bishops, and that all property left to or given to such persona under such titles should be null and void, and forfeited to the Crown, with power to the CrOwn to appoint trustees to administer such property. In many cases persons who had enjoyed property under theee trusts had been deprived of the use of it by these prelates; and he pro posed to introduce measures to guaad the Roman Catholic laity against such aggresaion.The question of theconsidera- Lion of the means which had been employed to procure these grants of property he did not propose to deal with. He proposed to prohibit the assumption of any title for any place or territory within any portion of the United Kingdom, and this provision bad been approved of by the Archbishop of Can terbury-. Thus they prevented that which was an insult to the Crown, an interference with the rights of the Church, and an infringement on the liberties of the country. By the second provision, these persons would be prevented from deriving any benefit from the trusts left to the Catholic body. Whatever might be the ultimate result of this legislation, they were not at present in a position to proceed further. The indi vidual who had taken upon himself to recommend them to the POPE had it in his power to remove many of thee difficulties, and if he, a Prince of the Roman Church, had any desire to promote the interests of the Roman Catholics in this country, he would at once re nounce the title he had assumed. But if other councils should prevail and he should instil counsels of revenge and ambition into the Court of Rome, no doubt a struggle would take take place. In that case his (Lord John Russell's) course was clear. He was for the fullest enjoyment of religious liberty, but he eas against any interference on the part oj Ecclesiastics in the civil affairs of the realm. In his own Church he had always opposed any measure calculated to encroach upon the civil supremacy in this realm. If that was the case as regarded the Church of England, which he believed was the most consonant with the maintenance of civil freedom, how much stronger must be his opposition to any attempt on the part of the Pope to establish supremacy in this realm. In recent times there has been put forth from the Church of Rome opinions abhorrent to every lover of civil and re ligious liberty. There were among the books prohi bited to be read by the Church of Rome such books as Robertson's histories and Scapula's Lexicon. When be saw such doings as these, his objections were aroused. He drew a wide distinction between the Roman Catholic doctrines and the Ultramontane doctrines. He there fore proposed that the House should resist the introduction of the Ultramontane system. He knew that they were liable to be mis represented, that they might be accused of having changed their opinions; but he had not changed his, he still thought that Roman Catholics should ho admitted to all civil offices; the Acts of JAMES 11. were rendered necessary, because they could not limit the Sovereign. Under ELIZABETH when the bad a Queen whom they could trust as they could now —(Cheers)—no such exclnsion was necessary, and h_ felt that they were all the mor e p owerfu l now for re pealing those laws of excluion. He said, in the word s of a Roman Catholic Parliament. which had opposed an attempted act of Paps! aggress i on, that ha would like them oppose it with all his heart and all his power. The Noble Lord then sat down amidst loud cheering, Mr. ROEBUCK rose, and was (LEFT SPEAKING.) BANK OF ENGLAND. (From this night's Gazette.) AnAccount, pursuant to the Act 7th and Bth of Victoria, cap. 32, fer the Week ending on Saturday, the Ist day of February 1851. ISSUE DIPARTKENT. , Notes issued•• .. •• •• 27,704,516 Government debt • • 11,015,100 Other securities •• • • '2,984,900 Gold coin and bullion 13,674,848 Silver bullion • • • • • • 29,667 THE LONDON GAZETTE. (THIS EVENING.) BUCKINGHAM-PALACE, FEB. 3, 1851. The Queen was this day pleased to confer th e honour of Knightho o d u p on James William Morrison, Esq, la te Deputy-Master and W or k er o f th e Queen's Mint. BUCKINGHAM-PALACE, FEB. 3 . The Queen was this day pleased to confer the honour of Knighthood upon Alexander Bannerman, Lien tenant of Prince Edward's Island. BUCKINGHAM PALACE, P . m 3. This (I , ly had audience of her Majesty- Senor Don Jiee de Marcoleta, Envoy Extraordinary; and Minister Plenipotentiary from the Repu blic blicaragus, to deliver his credentials ; to which he s'','.. 65 introduced by Viscount Palmerston, G.C.8., her jesry's Secretary of State :or F ore i g n Affairs, 5011:11 ot ducted by Colonel the Hon. Si r Edward Cust, Master of the Ceremonies. ST. JAMES'S PALACE, FEB. 7. [ following notice should have appeared is t he Gazette of Tuesday, July 3. 1849.] ST. JAMES'S PALACE, JuLy 2,184 g. " The Queen has been ple a sed t o appoint the Hon. Rev. Charles Leslie Courten a y t o b e one of the cbsr Bans in Ordinary to her Majesty. DOWNING-STREET, FEB. 7. g „,, 1 ;, 03 The Queen has been pleased to appoint 11 . , - „ v Mugrave. Esq., to be First Puisne Judge, and SP: n t ' b i t , • Smith Bell, Esq., to be Second Puisne Judge, °„'', o d Supreme Court of the Settlement of the Cape of Ll' Hope. 4th Regiment of Light Dragoons-Lieutenan t Sutherland, from 9th Light Dragoons, to be Lieu li t eovblienit ' i vice Mallet, who exchanges, Feb. 7. t from 9th Light Dragoons-Lieutenant Hugh Ma (l- ' f d 4th Light Dragoons, to be Lieut e nant, vice Sutherlsa eho exchanges, Feb. 7. 4th Regiment of Foot-Ensign James Barton, f ete 65th Foot, to be Lieutenant, without purchase,Geno, Harris, dismissed the service by the sentence of I' ral Court-martial. Feb. 7. (toes 21st Foot-Lieutenant James Vaughan Arthure, • re d the 97th Foot, to be Lieutenant, vice Shawe, Pr °°°- to Captain, Unattached, Feb. 7. , oult• 23,1 Foot-Major-General George Charles E L-D , lar, C. 8., from 58th Foot, to be Colonel, vice G en d e . Sir James Willoughby Gordon, Bart., and G.C. ceas 2d F ed, Jan. 31. ldju" 3oot-Lieutenant William Rudman to b e taut, vice Garfortb, who resigns the Adjutancy L'"" Dec. 13, 1850. 54 . th Foot-Ensign Thomas Blakiston 110ust° 111 ;8 appointed 67th Foot, to be Ensign, vice Goddard, l4) Foot, Feb. 7. 42a 56th Foot-Major William Austin, from half-pay .(o p Foot, to be Major (repaying the differ e nce), vic e be tVegg, who exchanges; Captain Soulden °Ade); .- r og • Majol', by purchase, vice Austin, who retires; . 1-41 4 8 e, mint Fox Maisie Ramsay to be Captain, by P re " ti et, vice Oakeley; Ensign John Warren to be Lieu ta by purchase, vice Ramsay, Feb. 7. o irclt 58th Foot-Major-General Edward Buckley Wri n. C. 8., to be Colonel, vice Major-General D'Ag pointed to 23d Foot, to be 62d Foot-Lieutenant William Lenox Ingelio -- v- Captaisi, by purchase, vice Olpherts, who retires; be , sign George Hampden Wilkieson, to be Lieutenant' purchase, vice loga.ll, Feb. 7. ; 65th Fout-Major-General Samuel Benjera Thems g'r misty, C.B , to be Colonel, vice Field , Marshal j o ett Grosvenor, deceased, Jan. 31; Gentleman Csclet Owen Jones Priestley, from the Royal Military Calle sled to be Ensign, without purchase, vice Barton, Pr °l33 in 4th Foot, Feb. 7. from 82,1 Foot-Lieutenant John Miller BannatP e ,,',, the 93d Foot, to be Lieutenant, vice M'Gregor , ff" - changes, Feb. 6. go tO 93d Foot-Lieutenant Evan Duncan MacPh, e n be Captain, without purchase, vice Brevet Mel.,°, - t ° 10; Josepti Grier, who retires upon full pay as 1 - 1 ,,1rc 1 001, Lieutenant Alexander Edgar M•Gregor, from S'h, anz s' to be Lieutenant, vice Batinatyne, who ex g r„li e r: Ensign James Datzell to be Lieutenant, vice Ain o e rd, blot voi , son; Gentleman Cadet Edward Augustus from the Royal Military College, to be Ensign, Ti ce sell, Feb. 6. gal f-01 98th Foot-Captain Richard Gloater, from Unattached, to be Captain, vi ce Th omas Charles 003 " be who exchanges; Lieutenant Lawrence Shadwelc n s ige Captain, by purchase, vice Glo a ter, w ho retires; William Henry Joseph La nce t o b e Li e utenant, bY PO-0 chase, vice Shadwell;• Ensign Norris Goddard, ir 54th Foot, to be Ensign, vice Lance, Feb. 7. from UNATTOIIED.-Lieut. Arthur George Sbawe', 21st Foot, to be Captain, without purchase, Feb,..%". r tet• STAFF.-Brevet Colonel James Freeth to be L4'7, 00 - master-General to the Forces, vice General Sir, en 7 .1; Willoughby Gordon, Bart and G.C.8., deceased, f c , Quartermaster Alexander Cruickshanks, on h a fits 79th Foot, to be Fort Major at Edinburgh Castle' Major Thomas , Feb. 7. , „ft o, M HOS DeputySTAFF.-Inspector-General ••• 0 ! pitals Andrew Smith, M.D., to be Ibspector•Ge il tr e fles l Hospitals and to be Superintendent of the ArmY Department, Feb. 7. OFFICE OF ORDNANCE, FEB. 6. our Corps of Royal Engineers-Lieutenant- Gene",'; tavus Nioolls to be Colonel-Commandant, vice L ie tenant-General Henry Evatt, deceased. Jan. 25. WHITEHALL, JAN. 25. 1..,1150 01 The Lord Chancellor has appointed Joseph Rou l- h , a of Hereford, the county of Hereford, Gent., t c ';',. Master Extraordinary in the High Court of Chsri ce *' . HITEHALL, Jaw. 30. „; The Lord Chancellor has appointed Andrew rerf o t, of Peterborough, in the county of Northampton, ue to be a Master Extraordinary in the High Co u rt • • t Chancery: • BANKRUPTCY SUPERSEDED. D ier - Adolph Bereud and Isidore Bloomenthal, cigar - chants, Weymouth-place, New Kent-road. BANKRUPTS. John Skate, builder, Studley-road, Clapham - v: 44 . 6 1P John Slater Marshall, boot and shoe dealer, o ° 6- ) road, Clerkenwell. Aureham Friedeberg. furrier, Houndsditcb. James Dixon, dyer, Morley, Yorkshire. John Wyatt, jun., grocer , Mil verton , Sornereetsbire' James Shirt, provi s i on d ea l er , F ro d a h a m, Clop hire. PRICE OF SUGAR. coon The average price of Brown or Muscovado " puted from returns made in the wek ending 01) ; op 1850. exclusive of Customs Duties paid or payable et , on the importation thereof into Great Britain :--- gr ove From the British possessions in America 275. 100. - From the Mauritius ess. " From the East Indies Average price of the three foregoing de scriptions3oa. of sugar, jointly, computed as above, and exclusive of d u ty ... ees. 3ild• ° By authority of P ar li a ment,, of. HENRY BICKNELL. Clerk of the Grocers' Li° (grocers'-hall, Feb. 7. - - - MARKET IN TELLAGENC* I- ') • (From the Lond on IV ew P r i ce C urren t, Feb. 1 0s ra Susan.—Today hollers of West India Sugar rtelf to sell under the rates o f l as t F r id a y, an d the qW' n i l tope' offer is yet limited, but the market has still 5 clu' e ; e ek. Only 187 were sold, making 940 hhds Sae. for t0 e ,,,",: REFINED.—To day the home trade demand, I 'b - ro o3 , fined Sugar was limited, and the rates taken ld s r , r ed lumps were 49a to 49a 6,1 per cwt. Crushed is o ' - , former rates, but there are few buyers. 00 b ri g s MAuRSTIUS.—To-day th e p u bli c sa l es of 3, 8- , ke n; Mauritius went off quietly, but lo wer ra t es are oci t 'lgst° superior yellow want at 42s to 42s 6d, other sorts 1 ,311 41s 6d, low 37s to 37s 6d, brows 33s to 365 6d, I° ,, 0 10 to 325, grey 37s to 41s, and grainy 36s to 411 B ` l ,Pg e otirsl EAST INDIA.—This afternoon the quantity 0 : Sugar submitted to public sale was extenel/li psr, amounted to 8,600 bags; prices declined 6d t ° 4; ful l cwt fur soft qualities; but all other kinds w ent lis 6d ' terms. Good and fine grocery realized 41s 6d t o o 1 93 grainy yellow ditt o 42 s 6d to 445, soft brown 27 s 3 4$ 61, yellow ditto 30s to 335, and brig ht soft o gi to 375. Bengal reali ze d t h e former value, and9s°,loo sold at 42s to 42, 6d for laid white Benares, yellow 37s per cwt. lgs dr° MoLassEs.—To-day at auction 60 puns of low were taken in at 10. 6d per cwt. fort 3i g il FOREIGIN.—To-day there was littl e passing in talt s° Sugar, and at public scale 490 barrels Java we re age d in at 37 s t o 39 s 6 , 1, f or sound b ut a few lots of low sold at 36s to 38s 6d per cwt. Privately 630 bag brown Java wer e so ld a t 32 s 6d. p er cwt . 00 ths OoFFLE.—This afternoon th e r e was firmness pis part of holders of C o ff ee , an d none was o ffered Or li , for eale. The private purchases were upon a small „ se : god all purposes, but prices remain at 47 s Old to 4 8 s ` l9 ordinary Native Ceylon. „W: Cocos.—Holders of West India r e fuse to se" "l e thli duction, and none has been submitted to public 011 week; the stock also remains less than last year3.g, 69 4 value of Trinidad red is 522 to 565, grey 48 9 t°,, 5 , Grenada from 43s to 48s per cwt. The rnaP le- d0 03 , - ; dull appearance for foreign, and prices 11 0 . e it h is fts'' ward tendency, ruling at 30s to 30a 6d for Pars, and at 31s 6d to 32s per cwt for GuaYa c it• - T0 11°° : TALLow.—This aft e rnoo n th e qu antity 0 0 " offered at publi c sa l e was l arger t h an f or some tit t l" fro m still the chief part sold, 1,500 pkgs Australl'l D d tog,: 35s to 37s 9d, 440 pkgs S out h A mer i ca n at 35 1 6 37i 9- 3d, and 800 brls stranded Petersburgb, 366 6d to per' cwt. A; it ll ( IT INDioo.—The quarterly sales of East M.. 11 1 re v. ° deel i a go bald menet: ou Tuesday next, and the quantity large, amounting to 16,413 chests. Spanish istil;reci for with firmness; although 600 Serous are de°, jodig l ° public sale. The private purchases in East 'ow; to 1 " this week aro 1,000 chests at from last sales rate advance. Marin. ' 'rec tor OF A SOW. On the 2d i ns t., th e lady of A. W. ralmllsr, ESCI", pr. r. ; of the Neckinger Docks, nermondse , of a son and L'efratto 00 the 31st ult., at the Royal Hotel, Chester, LadY Vesey, of twins. BY' On the 25th ult., the wife of Captain C. Felti n g , • • OF A DAUGHTER. ,AT Wad e ; of On the 2Qh ult., at Hyde, Isle of Wight, - , - ,1 -i ihe Wil e 0. On the 3d inst., at Thurloe-square, Brompton, W. D. Seymour, 14:N. On the Ist inst., in tipper DIED Gowenstreet , pc-- rd-squilre' Samuel Vines, Esq., aged 80. fo'l" On the Ist inst., Eliza, the wife of Richard Forni— at Kincicochet- house, near Blair Athol!, Perthshire. , *e go'. li On the 2d inst., aged 70, Rosamond, relict of the n : sat' John Wight Wickes, rector of W ar dl e y-cum -elt° a, land, and chaplain to his Majesty the King of 11413°13'isoche, On the Ist inst., at Talgrath, North %Vales, daughter of Captain Thurston, Clare 33. t o& On the 3d inst., C. Sewell, Esq, of don-scl On the . 2rl inst., Mr. Thomas i Swain, of ltatcliu near Buckingham, aged 64 London : Printed and Publi3lied by MURDO ;,„ ilq No. 112, Strand, Printer, at ne Sun Ofßco, CA - Sty and, in the Precinct of the Savoy, in the eat ' Friday, Febriggy 7, 3851. £27,704,515 I 27,704,515 M. MARSHALL, Chief Cashier. Dated the 6th day of February, 1851. MANKINGDErAITMEIq T. Proprietors 'capital •. 14,553,000 Rest • ••••• . . . . . 3,235,113 Public deposits (in cluding Exchequer, Commissioners of National Debt, Say ings-banks, and Di vidend accounts) • • 6,051,128 Other deposits .. •• .. 9,787,615 Seven day and other Bills .......... .... 1,182,602 Government securi. ties (including Dead Weight Annuity).. 14,145,696 Other securities —•• 11,946,360 Notes •••••••• •• •• •• 8,074,469 Gold and silver coin.. 642,942 $84,803,458 434,809,458 M. MARSHALL, Chief Cashier. 1851. Dated the 6th day of February, CRIMINAL COURT-(THIS DAY. NEW COURT. Henry Beaver and Thomas Hodgson were charged with burglary in the house of George Wells, No. 3, Lemon Valley, notherbitbe, and stealing a petticoat, fee., the property of a lodger. Beaver pleaded Guilty. The robbery was perpetrated on the night of the 14th January. Both the prisoners were afterwards met by a policeman with bundles, which were found to contain the stolen articles. Beaver was taken; the other escaped. The questfon raised for the defence was whether the prisoner Hodgson was really one of the parties soon by the police. 11 witness was called to prove a❑ alibi. Prisoner lodged in the house of a person named Webb, alias Fin lason. who said that Hodgson was in bed on the night of the 17th or 18th (the robbery was committed on the 14th). Guilty.—Ten years' transportation. The prisoners were frt quenters of a notorious " kit chen" in Fox-court, of which the man Webb (who has a number of aliases), who came up to prove the alibi, is the principal. _ EIOPEMENT—On Friday morning, a young lady, the daughter of a gentleman of great wealth, and posses s i ng considerable property in her own light, was missed from her home in this place. Inquiries were instituted, and it, was ascertained that she had eloped with a" dashing young car penter," and that the couple had been safely united in I-Iv men's bonds, in a neighbouring town. Cheltenham Journal. A DEvoNsuittE CosTom.—Allhallows maidens can claim 10s. on being married; and on Monday last, Church warden Baikvvill convened a meeting to consider the claims of two maidens who had been 'Harried out of service in the parish. The fund is called "13evys' Gift," because one Richard Bevys, a right worthy citizen, knowing the comfort of the marriage state, and to help poor maidens thereto, left a property to set up young women in the holy and comfort able estate of matrimony. No claim has been made for several years, and the sum in hand amounted to 61., which was equally divided between the two applicants.— Western Times, , . t e! , e m chi d wd THE SUN, LONDON, FRIDAY EVENING, FEBRUARY 7, 1851. I I ati , ac t k r Or at' Ali tor ( tir tog tert 4 4tt r unt t :) A 11 le -.( t lie,;: i c k i s t?, tro l Tl i j e , 41 te r i r„ 11 6 . Sit c a g qll ' 1) i W O4 4 . . tiy, ll 4 ,C4torr 10p, t ver t .t' 11[1 ,~