The Sun. — London, England, 1851-03-18 00:00:00

'ifourtiiiEbttton SUN OFFICE, Seven o' Clock. CHESTER AND HOLYHEAD RAILWAY.—(THIS DAY.) The usual half-yearly meeting of the proprietors of ,1 0 Cheater and Holyhead Railway, was held this fternoon, at the Euston Station of the. London and North-Western Railway, Mr. S. M. Peto, M.P., chair suan,of the board of directors, in the chair. The advertisement convening the meeting having been read, the minutes of the previous meeting were con firmed, and the common seal of the company affixed to the register of proprietors. The CHAIRMAN said the report and accounts had been extensively circulated, and he believed they had long been in the hands of every proprietor. Perhaps there isre it would be an unnecessary consumption of time to read them now, and he would suggest that they should be taken as read.—(Cries of " Yes, yes.) [The accounts and report have already appeared in The Sun.] This was the first half-yearly meeting he had presided at, and he was on that account naturally anxious to place before the proprietors a full elucidation of the principles which guide the course of the direc tors, as well as the position of the company and its future prospects. Having explained the circumstances under which he had been called upon to undertake the chairmanship of the company, the Hon. Gentleman pro ceeded to the immediate business of the meeting. The principles upon which he had taken the chair, and upon which his colleagues had given him their united confi dence, was the development of their traffic in every pos sible manner consistently with the preservation of the best possible feeling towards all connecting interests in the various lines which were themselves united to this company, either as adjuncts or as allies in capital.— (Hear, hear.) The board had felt it to be their duty resolutely to work with the London and North-Western Company most harmonionsly; and it was doe to that company to state that they had met the Chester and Holyhead section of the board with the greatest amount of liberality and fair dealing. (Cries of " Hear, hear.") There had been no desire on the part of that company to take advantage of their o wn position, or of the difficulties of the Cheater and Holyhead Company; and it was to their forbearance, and their kindness, and their assistance, that the pro prietors were indebted for the bright prospects which it eras his duty and pleasure to reveal to them to-day. Acting upon the principle or basis of avoiding all unnecessary competition, and bringing on the Chester nd Holyhead line the lareest amount of treat that could be possibly obtained b y fair and legitimate means, the directors had concluded an arrangement with the London and North-Western and the Dublin Steam Packet Companies, which ho believed was fraught with the largest amount of benefit to themselves, while it would be equally beneficial to both those companies he had mentioned.—(Hear, hear.) The London and North-Western Company had conceded to them a large amount of reduction in the mileage rate of their working charges, and although they might have claimed the unexpired ,time of the ex isting contract and continued for three year more to work the Cheater and Holyhead line upon the old rate, yet upon this board approaching them to solicit a new arrangement, they at once con ceded a reduction which would save the Chester and Holyhead Company no less than 8,0004 per annum. — (Cheers.) The accounts.for the half-year just termi nated had been made out upon the principle of the old rate, but had this agreement to which be was referring, and to which the meeting would be asked to give its approval to-day, been sealed, there would have been a saving from the 20th of September last up to the present time of nearly 2,0001., which of course would have been placed in the hands of the proprietors to-day in addition to the dividend to be declared on that occasion. —(Cheers.) But that saving he viewed as the least advantage which would be derived from the united working of the three companies.— (Rear, hear.) The agreement with the Dublin Steam Packet Company and the London and North-Western would enable this; company, to look through from every part of Ireland to every part of England. with which the two railway ,companies were connected, which, was an "advantage that ,cpuld.enly ha appreciated by those who find 4evgked time and trouble to the investigation of ' the Stklect. In the next place the sigreerneht. Contemplated that the Louden and North-Western add the' Dublin Steam - Packet Companies'should'db all that' in them' fay to throw upon this line the entirety of the Irish traffic, and this company, in return, would do all it possibly could to continue to the London and North-Western Company, its natural ally, the entirety of the through traffic, while it left them perfectly free to make all su ch arrangements as could conduce to the entire development ot its local traffic. The arrangement contemplated the sale of the steam-boats belonging to the company to the Dublin Steam Packet Company, upon the arbitration ef individuals seleted on both sides, and in the event of the arbitrators not being able to agree, they were to choose an umpire.—(Hear.) Until the money was paid, this company did not release its hold upon the boats, while the purchase Inoue) , was to be paid by annual instalments, the balances carrying interest; so that on) the whole they stood in a position of perfect security, and on a sound commercial footing.—(Hear, hear.) Such, then, - was the effect of the arrangement which had been come to between the three companies. Now, with regard to the position of their own line, many of the proprietors who had not been upon it were possibly not aware that at the present moment they had no line to Holyhead at all, for although they had spent 165,000/. on steam-boats, which, he maintained, all things considered, was a most judieious expenditure, yet at the present moment their terminus was a lull mile and a quarter from the end of the pier at Holyhead.—(Hear, hear.) They lost by that break, owing to the inconvenience which re.,ulted from the transfer of the traffic, and parti cularly of goods, to the present temporary station , a large amount of advantage which their line would naturally present to individuals going to Ireland.— (Hear, hear.) The directors had, however, made ar raugements for getting rid of this obstacle, and he might 'state in parenthesis that they were entirely indebted to the exertions and influence of his colleague Mr. Stanley, for being able to carry out those . arrangements.—(Hear, hear.) They had agreed for the construction of a temporary line; without any charge prom her Majesty's Government; and though the ar rangement would secure, with the new goods station and a, new passenger station, and the erection of a hotel ead refreshment rooms, and everything necessary to render the line popular in connexion with :he immediate transit of the steam-boats, it was calcu leted that the expenditure for all this would not exceed :.8.0004 ; and when he stated to them that this eenount of expenditure, and its interest would be repaid in five years by the saving it rested effect in the existing system of removing goods by carts, and in the conveyance of passengers y omnibuses, he thought the proprietors would have reason to congratulate themselves upon the successful mid advantageous nature of the arrangement.—(Hear.) They had also made arrangements, in pursuance of .:he authority given at the last half-yearly meeting, with Colonel Pennant by which extensive - slate quarries were put in connexion with the railway, and a similar arrangement had been concluded with Mr. Ashton Smith for placing Carnarvon quarries also in connexion with the line; and the company was now in Parliament seeking powers, with the view of extending the line to the port of Carnarvon.—(Hear.) Arrange inents were also pending with various companies in the midland district, by which from one point alone they would obtain mineral traffic to the extent of 100,000 tons, which would have to travel over the whole length of their lints. That was a fact which would convince the meeting that the mineral traffic of this company was wholly untouched.—(Hear.) They had also arranged for w - 0 siding" at Carnarvon; and the party for whom this "'riding" was to be constructed would pay them 101 l per cent. ,annually on the outlay. This a lso was foe the purpose of . accommodating the mineral traffib,, and when he ,remembered that one indi vidual :ague daring the , present year had sent upwards of 20,000 tons-of slate flags to London by the line, he thought the meeting would agree with him that by these arrangements they were se cudng an immense source of income, which at present was perfedtly and entirely undeveloped.— (Rear.) While he was on the subject as to developing u affic, he would refer to a circumstance which occurred la the moment to his mind which he thought reflected great credit on one of t he o ffi cers of the com p an y . Although he occupied the humble situation of a station master, he thought it right to mention his name on the present occasion to stimulate others to a similar course of conduct, and to show the proprietors the advantage of having zealous and faithful servants. The station tauter nt Oarnarvon observing the large quantity of shell !let that abounded on the coast, endeavoured to induce the fisher= en to engage in the trade of selling that Pa tienlar commodity but failing in that attempt he ap- Pliedl° the company to invest a small sum with the vievelof eecertaira ne , th • e practicability of estab li shing such a trade; and :. wh o e ta u he told the meeting that at the present moment ti hr , he p at any were carryin from that station alone to Il:aece sr between 150 , 0 00 and 200,000 shell ash per wealth, b e , thought th e . meting would agree with uim that the 2 1 7kP rimentad been most successful. The result had been not h only to increase their profit, :nd the trade em ployed not only the fishing population, eat the arhole c f the women an d • and sorting the fish for children in preparing t qatket- and thus, beside s contributing to the interest and welfare of that parti- Pular Pam of the p o p ulation, it ad ded to their coffers , ppr nancial and those of the London ryea lie now aoached and North-W estern, no less titan 2,0001. p er annum. - --cri financial 4 uother l ranch ot his subject, that w as the W hen their position .f the company. th e y last met they - Tere in Ono position of a corporation crushed with the amount f its debts, and they did not u then see ffieacru,lthieeasr. ) way clearly out of their diffieuiltiens.o--(di the pre: tent moment they had wh A at t . ever— (Cheers) —for they had, by the assistance of and by the exertions o f tne Nor ;h-Western Company. a iedividusil members of the board in obtaining temporary " 018 , linen placed in a position of safety and security, and th.e meeting of to-day would be enabled to create the preferential stock which was alluded to on a for mer but not at the original interest, but a.such a rate of interest as their improved prospects would command, and which he had n o doubt ttke money mark e t would readily respond to.—(Hear, hear.) It had been said that the board had created these shares at too low a rate of interest, but when he stated living inves ti gate d to them, that, after h • • e gate. every cir cumstance connected with the railway taking into eonsideration the extension of the line at Holyhead taking also into account a fact which he bad on the authority of the engineer engaged at Holyhead, that one 'arm' of. the new harbour would shortly be extended 720 feet, giving twenty-U(1 feet depth of water at the ebb tide, thus enabling the American THE packets aiwa)s to call there—bearing in mind also that the directors would always have a train ready for the reception of the passengers landing from those packets, and that everything would be done to promote their ease, comfort, and accommoda tion—looking at the large amount of mineral traffic which they were likely hereafter to obtain, and which at the present moment was simply stopped for the want of the extension, since last week he was obliged to re fuse a contract to carry 75,000 tons of ship coal to the port of Holyhead, because the company was not in a condition to carry them to the water's edge,—when he took into account all these various points, and taking them for what they were worth, he thought that in the course of next year he would be placed in the pleasing situation of telling the old proprietors connected with the company, who had exhibited so much patience and forbearance, that the profits had attained that pitch which would enable them to declare a 3 per cent. dividend — (Cheers) —he might be thought by some to be too sanguine in this matter, but he could only assure the meeting that if he did not believe that the exertions which must and should be made in connexion with their traffic would answer, he would not on this occasion have made this statement, which he firmly believed time would prove to be correct. — (Cheers.) Now, another point to which he wished to refer was the hotel accommodation in the Straits of Bangor. The directors were anxious to accommodate the large number of visitors who annually visited the beauti ful scenery of that district. During the last season this plea! are traffic was necessarily impeded by the want of hotel accommodation, and, theretore, on this occasion the directors had to make a novel proposal to the meeting, but one which he under stood other companies had not been loath to adopt. They were unanimously prepared to recommend the pro prietors to embark in the necessary expenditure for erecting an hotel for the aecommodation of those to whom he had already alluded.—(Hear, hear.) Par ties of the highest respectability were prepared to take the hotel at a rental which would yield a very large interest on the money so expended; while, on the other hand, the directors would take care to make such an arrangement as to ensure to the public the use of the hotel at reasonable terms, and to obtain accom modation for first, second, and third-class passengers, at prices which they could not hope to meet with in pri vate establishments.—(Hear, hear.) Of course this ar rangement, besides the interest he had already spoken of, would secure them a large addition to their traffic, and he was sure, therefore, the meeting would not be slow in perceiving the advantages of this proposal. He felt he bad detained the meeting rather longer than he ought to have done on the present occasion, but it had been his anxiety to put them in possession of all the information in his power, and if there was any point which he had not touched upon, and information were required respecting it, that information should be given in the frankest and most open manner.—(Hear, hear.) They had nothing to con ceal from the proprietors, as they were but the represen tatives of the proprietors themselves; and while they continued to enjoy their confidence their best exertions should be given to the development of the undertaking, but the moment they perceived that they had not that confidence they would retire at once, as no amount of remuneration could compensate them for the attention they bestowed on the affairs of the company.—(Cheers.) The chairman concluded by moving the adoption of the report. Captain Moons= seconded the motion. After a long.and very desultory discussion, in the course of which Mr. HENMAN deprecated the proceed ings pursued by the directors, designated them as ille gal, and called on the proprietors to mark their sense of it by not adopting the report. He moved as an amend ment to that report that the directors had forfeited the confidence of the proprietary by issuing more debenture shares than they had authority to do. The CHAIRMAN in putting the amendment denied that the directors had issued any more debentures than they were intitled to do. All the debentures that had been issued had been issued under the best legal advice. None regretted more than he did the vast expense that had been incurred by the present company in the great works they had undertaken„but,they. had,this console tiori; that in that vast Outlay they }an obtained for them selves thhe great high. road to Ireland from which no one could depriv,e them.—(Hear.) , • i A- PROPRIETOR thought, that as the original 'share-. :holders could 'not live out of the proPerty of the line, they ought to have some benefit from the property ee joyed by the preference shareholders. He thought thd original shareholders ought to have one-third of the pro perty of the line, and moved an amendment to that effect. Mr. JACKSON defended the course adopted by the di rectors. He had little doubt that next year they would make Bangor the Brighton of Wales, and would open a communication with Ireland which would be highly profitable to the company, aided, as they doubtless would be, by the London and North- Western Company. He had no doubt that by pursuing a proper course the credit of the eompany, which had been blown upon in the stock market, would be made secure, a stock would be raised that would always in sure a certain profit, and sll the proprietors of the com pany might laugh at the stock market.—(Hear.) Major BUCHANNAN defended the conduct pursued by the directors, and said a great deal of time had been wasted in endeavouring to blacken their conduct. The CHAIRMAN then put the amendment, which was negatived by a large majority, and the report was de clared to be carried. Tho CHAIRMAN then moved that 16s. 6d. a share should be paid on the preference shares, which was agreed to, after a short but rather stormy discussion. Mr. JACKSON moved that the directors who went out by rotation should be re-elected. Captain FINLAISON bore the highestitestimony to the conduct and character of Mr. Peto, and asserted that as long as ho was in the chair, ho had no fear for the interest of the company.—(Hear.) Mr. PETO returned thank, and felt no doubt that if his life was spared, all that be had stated that day would be realised. Alderman THOMPSON and the other directors that went out by rotation also returned thanks for their re election. They had hitherto had to do with rocks and quicksand, but they were now, thank God, in smooth water.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. HERMAN then moved the appointment of a com mittee of inquiry, which was lost by a large majority. The meeting was then made special, for the purpose of rescinding certain resolutions for creating preference shares, for considering the traffic arrangements with the London and North-Western Railway Company for the purpose of authorising the directors to construct and maintain a temporary railway from the present terminus to Holyhead, for the purpose also of authorising the di rectors to erect an hotel near Bangor, and also consider ing the draft of a bill to give the company power to ex tend their railway. Resolutions for the purpose of carrying out these pur poses were carried after a short though personal dis cussion. In the course of the discussion on the resolution, A PROPRIETOR complained of the difficulty that was experienced by passengers in seeing the Conway Bridge unless they feed the policemen. The CHAIRMAN said that all had been done by the di rectors to afford every facility to the public to see that great work, and that after the Ist of May special instruc tions would be issued on the subject. A vote of thanks was then voted to the chairman and directors, and the meeting ndjourned at a late hour. EASTERN COUNTIES RAILWAY (THIS DAY.) An adjourned meeting of the shareholders in the Eastern Counties Railway Company was held this day, in the large room of the London Tavern, in conformity with the resolution agreed to at the former meeting. Mr. Glyn occupied the chair. There was a very numerous attendance of proprietors. The proceedings were opened by Captain Kelly presenting the report of the committee of shareholders, which had been appointed at a special general meeting on the 13th of February, to consider the propriety of making a working agreement with the Eastern Union and the Norfolk Railway. (This report has already been published.) Captain KELLY then moved the adoption of the re port, which was seconded by Mr. PAULDING. After some discussion the CHAIRMAN proceeded to state the objection which he entertained to the report. Ho contended that had the committee been placed in a similar position to the directors they would have been obliged to make exactly the same ar rangement. After going through the report the lion. Gentleman proceeded to comment on the state ment, which the committee had put forth that they had opened a negotiation with the other two companies, by soliciting an interview with deputations from those com panies. With reference to this he would refer them to a letter which he bad received from Mr. Cobbold, of the Norfolk Railway, on the subject of this interview, which had been forwarded to Captain Kelly : (Copy.) " 7, Pall-mall East, March 17,1851. “My dear Sir,—l deem it only due to you, as well as to my colleagues and myself, to detail to you prior to the meet ing of the Eastern Counties shareholders to-morrow, the re sult of the meeting which took place at the request of the shareholders' committee, and in accordance with the wish ex pressed by the Board of Directors of the Eastern Counties Company, between the deputations of the Eastern Union Company and the Norfolk Company and the ahareholders' committee. " The desire of the committee that we should meet them having been communicated to the secretaries of the two companies, through the secretary of the committee, I lost not time in obtaining the sanction of the deputation of the Eastern Counties board, with whom we were appointed to negotiate, to such meeting ; and I proceeded to Norwich my self, to urge my friend Mr. Bignole to come up and attend the meeting, as one of the Eastern Union deputation who had signed the agreement, knowing that he had an engage meLt at Norwich of some importance on the day named for the meeting, :and being apprehensive that a letter might have failed in prevailing on him to forego his other engage ments. " I also went to another member of the deputation of the Eastern Union Company to come up from Scarboroug h, and both these gentlemen, as well as several others , attend ed at great personal inconvenience, as we were all anxious to g ive the committee a pp o i n t e d by th e E as t e rn Counties share holders any 13 0 (planation which they might be entitled to ask with reg ar d our respective companies. " We attended accordingly, and tiie committee at the Bishopsgate Station the af terchairm an some preliminary polite expressicns on we w ere simply inform ed the part already come to a unaneilamobuys of the committee of shareholders, h r i e m sol t u h ti a o t n t htoe recommendcom tteelitande shareholders to reject the agree ment, and that their report was took our leave feeling; altlnath in type, and would be such treatment towards us was most un ore the public the next day that, to gentlemen w ho but one, and we therefore who attended with me concur they were appointed, I must leave it, and to their report to justify. cm°lllli.liciHeesOtuwst.efrarnr it accorded with their duties to the body of to themselves P shareholders, b t y o evfxhoil UN, LONDON, " It is quite unnecessary for me to make any comment on that report, as it has already been estimated at its value by the public; but I might, if any explanation had been in vited by the committee at our meeting, have suggested that the interest of the capital to be invested in the rolling stock would have been taken into account in the 45/. per cent. working expenses which the Eastern Counties were to have deducted from the gross receipts, and still they would have had ample margin, if the statement and comparison of the chairman of the shareholders' committee at a late meet ing, with reference to the working expenses on the Brighton line, is worth anything, and I might have directed the at tention of the committee to the facts that the earnings of the Eastern Counties Company, stated at 702,453/., includes the receipts for cartage and deliveries on both the Norfolk line and their own, and that the earnings of the Eastern Union Company, stated by their committee at 96,715/., were for the year ending in June last, for the best six months of which, as they well knew, the extension line was not opened to Nor wich, and that the weekly returns do not include the cartage and delivery receipts. " The committee, however, thought fit, instead of seeking information, to found their opinion on the imperfect data which they obtained, including the ' joint report of the prin cipal officers of the company,' offered as the officers" una nimous opinion, in compliance with a request made the previous day only,' upon a subject of deep importance to thousands of individuals, having an investment of millions of capital. "Believe me yours faithfully, (Signed) " Jonu CHETILLIER COBBOLD. " Joseph Glynn, Esq." Mr. ELLfs considered that the committee had not performed the duty which had been confided to them by the shareholders. They had had entrusted to them by the shareholders the consideration of the terms of an agreement between the three railways, but all they had done was to condemn the agreement without offering any suggestion of their own. The committee had depreciated the guarantees, they had diminished the receipts of the Norfolk Railway from 111,000/. to 96,000/. ; and they had entirely omitted all mention of the diminution of the working expenses which would take place to the amount of 21,000/., all which items would decrease the loss to the Eastern Counties Railway to 8,300/. instead of 70,8781., which small loss was one-fourth of what they were now losing by the competition of these two rail ways at the present moment. If they did not take this opportunity of making this coalition, they would have to repent afterwards, and no doubt some other railway would step in and make an agreement which would be much more detrimental to the interests of the Eastern Counties Railway. Mr. BROADBENT dissented entirely from these ca4ula dons. He could not see how the. company could fail of losing at least 50,000/. per annum if this agreement were carried. He eulogised the report of the committee as an able statement, considering the deficient information which had been furnished to them. Captain KELLY vindicated the committee from the allegations which had been thrown out against them. The directors had certainly not shown any great anxiety to furnish the committee with information, but they, had certainly come to the conclusion that, though they' did not wish to doubt the integrity orthe directors, yet they had very considerable doubts as to their judgment. Mr. NATHAN complained of the conduct of the direc tors in wishing to hang their millstones round the necks of the shareholders. He thought the sooner they got rid of the present board the better, they could not have a worse set.—(Cheese.) Mr. Cox entirely approved of the report; it had cer tainly changed his opinion of the board of directors. Mr. WADDINGTON, who was received with mingled cheers and groans, denied that the committee had not carried out the instructions of the shareholders; they bad performed their duty, and a nice exposure they bad made of the conduct of the directors. When the di rectors called a meeting together to seal the agreement, the information which they afforded to the meeting was anything but correct. The statement in the report was essentially correct, and it was impossible, by any species of argument, to contradict them. As to the Chairman's statement that it was he who had furnished all the information to the committee, that was not quite the fact, because in truth the committee had first called the Chairman's attention to the circumstances. As to the depreciation of receipts from 111.0004 to 96,0001, the reason of that was that at the title of making this statement the committee had thought it best to- make contemporary return of the three companieS, and this sum was the last return: which they had in their poasession of the'Esistern Union ,Railway, Company. ,•The,, committee had ,taken the greatest pains in performing.:their duty; they had Set before the aharehoklers everything which ,they thought they ought to know, and had suppressed nothing. He was convinced that at some future period the share holders would thank the committee for their exertions. Mr. MAXWELL considered that the company had been injured by the rivalry of individuals, and he should re commend that the railway should be placed under the management of one paid individual. He was in favour of an amalgamation, and with this view he should move as an amendment, that the agreement of the 13th of Fe bruary be adopted.—(Cheers and hisses ) Mr. GEACH had gone into the committee with every desire to carry out the agreement of amalgamation; but he had been obliged to alter his opinion by the evidence which had been produced. He was, however, of opinion that the amalgamation in some shape or other would be for the advantage of the company, and, with a view to that, he should recommend that the directors should acquiesce in the report, and allow the matter to drop, in order that it might be taken up at some future I time, when it could be thscussed with less warmth. .The meeting was still proceeding when our report left.) WARWICK RACES. (THIS DAY.) (BY ELECTRIC TELEGRAPH (Continued from our Third Edition.) The Woodcote Stakes. Urbanity ... Pelerino filly ... Skulda ... ... Free Handicap. Forester ... Risk ... THE LONDON GAZETTE. (THIS EVENING.) WHITEHALL, MARCH 17. The Queen has been pleased to present the Reverend John Forbes to the church and parish of Sleet, in the presbytery and isle of Skye, vacant by the transportation of the Reverend John Mclver, late Minister there, to the church and parish of Kilmuir. OFFICE OF ORDNANCE, MARCH 15. Corps of Royal Engineers—Lieutenant - General George Wright to be Colonel Commandant, vice Lieutenant-General Sir Stephen R. Chapman, deceased. Dated March 7. Commission by the Lord Lieutenant of Nottinghamshire. Sherwood Rangers—John Vessey Machin, Gent , to be First Lieutenant, vice Granville Edward Harcourt Vernon, Esq., promoted . Commissions by the Lord-Lieutenant of Cheshire. The Earl of Chester's Regiment of Yeomanry Cavalry— Lieutenant Edward Marsland to be Captain, vice Tatton, re signed ; William M'Ewen, MD.., M.R.C. S., to be Assistant- Surgeon, vice Deane, deceased, March 10. Commission by the Lord-Lieutenant of Edinburgh. Edinburgh Regiment of Militia —William Nathaniel Fraser, Gent., to be Lieutenant, vice Harvey, deceased, March 13. WHITEHALL, MARCH 13. The Right Hon. Sir John Jervis, Knt., Lord Chief Justice of her Majesty's Court of Common Pleas, at Westminster, has appointed Acton Tindal, of Aylesbury, in the county of Buckingham, Gentleman, to be cane of the Perpetual Com missioners for taking the acknowledgments of deeds to be executed by married women, under the Act passed for the abolition of fines and recoveries, and for the substitution of more simple modes of assurance, in and for the county of Buckingham. WHITEHALL, MARCH 12. The Lord Chancellor has appointed William Wilkinson, of Morpeth, in the county of Northumberland, Gent., to be a Master Extraordinary in the High Court of Chancery. WHITEHALL, MARCH 13. The Lord Chancellor has appointed Thomas Vickers Favell, of Rotherham, in the county of York, Gent., to be a Master Extraordinary in the High Court of Chancery. BANKRUPTS. Henry . ; Watson and John George Pleb, cement manufacturers, Elizabeth-bridge-wharf, Pimlico, to sur render. April 1 and May 2. at twelve, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Graham, official assignee ; Pocock and Poole, Bartbolomew-elose. Joseph Graham, hosier, Notting-bill, March 24, at half past twelve, and April 28, at one, at the Court of Bank ruptcy. Stansfeld, official assignee; Semple, Duke-street, Manchester-square. Augustus Hounsham, grocer, Portsmouth, March 27, and April 24, at two, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Bell, official assignee, Coleman-street-buildings; Smith and Son, South ampton-street, Bl =shut.) , ; Binstead, Portsmouth. John Buttrey, victualler, Woolwich, March 28, at half past twelve, and May 3, at two, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Nicholson, official assignee, Basinghall!street ; Glynes, Crescent, America-square. William Joseph Hawley, grocer, Woolwich, March 29, at eleven, and May 3, at half-past one, at the Court of Bank ruptcy. Pennell, official assignee, Guildhall-chambers, Basingh all-street ; Digby, Circus-place, Finsbury, Robert William Wright, Charles Davy, and Jacob Dixon, goldsmiths, Devonshire-street, Queen -square, Bloomsbury, April 1, at two, and May 6, at eleven, at the Court of Bank ruptcy. Edwards, official assignee, Sambrook-court, Basing hall-street; Emmet and Knight, Bloomsbury-square; Mot tram and Co., Birmingham. John Marshall, coal merchant, E outhampton, March 28, at half-past twelve, and May 2, at one. Whitmore, official assignee, Basinghall-street ; Linklater, Charlotte-rew, Man sion-house ; Hilleary, Fenchurch-street. Robert William Street, victualler, Oxford-street, March 28, at two, and May 2, at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Cannan, official assignee, Birchin-lane ; Goddard, Wood street, Cheapside. Henry Scale, iron manufacturer, Neath, Glamorganshire, April 2, and 30, at eleven, at the Bristol District Court. Hutton, official assignee, Bristol; Watson, Moorgate. street ; Heaven and Son, Bristol. MARKET INTELLIGENCE. (From the London New Price Current, March 18.) SUGAR.—To-day importers of West India Sugar refused to sell under the rates of Friday ; 'but the home trade demand was small. The private purchases are only 152 hhds &c, and there was no public sale. REFINED.—To -day Crushed Sugar was offered at lower rates; but there were few buyers. The home trade demand is limited for Refined, still there is no decline in prices. MAURITIUS.—This afternoon there was more disposition evinced to operate in Mauritius Sugar; at public sale 5,783 bags went at full rates, fine yellow sold at 408 to 41s, low to good 36s 6d to 39s 6d, refining kinds 358 to 40s, low and very ord brown 27s to 325, and better sorts 33s to 36s per cwt. IAST INDIA.—This afternoon there was a good demand for Bengal Sugar, and 4,095 ba g s at auction realised full rates; the Khaur kinds, however , went ether cheaper. The prices paid were for low dingy white Benare s 39a good 3Bs 38s: 6 to 4(risi fine grainyo lls, fair and, y to ello 4 w ol4 42B 4 6 a d ra to p 43s s d ed 6d, w ini as 4 h and mid soft yellow 34a 6d to 375, and brown ditto 278 6d to 30a S TUESDAY EVENING, MARCII lB , 1851. 6d. Madras realises full terms for superior sorts, but low went rather cheaper : at auction 1,117 bags sold, soft brown 9 7s to 295, yellow 30s to 345, and bright 353 to 37s t d. FOREIGN. — To-day there was no public sale of Foreign Sugar, and privately c perations were upon a small scale with sellers at rather lower rates. • MorstssEs.—Prices have further declined for West India still a fair b siness has been concluded, and the sales are 240 puss Barbadoes at 16s and 200 puns other sorts 15s toles 6d per cwt. East India and Mauritius are dull of sale at 12s to 13s, but at present few parcels are on offer. Porto Rico and üba are he d for 14s to 16 , - but few buyers are to be met with. Honey is wanted and the rates paid for West India are from 35s to 60 for low to fine. COFFEE.—This afternoon there was no further advance for Plantation Ceylon Coffee, but a good demand existed at auc tion 1,100 bags, 114 casks nearly all sold at full rates, middlng colory went at 57s,fine ord to low middling 52s to 56s 6d, fine fine ord, Greyish 52s 6d to 545, low and good ord 46s to 48s 64, cornsegn Triage 38s, damaged 44s to 525, and sound pea berry 59s tdllllls. Native is not offered under 46s for good, but there are few buyers. Other kinds are held with firm ness, but shippers or home dealers were not much dis posed to operate this afternoon. At auction 299 bags Java were taken in at 47s to 4?s 6d for good and fine ord, 102 casks Bombay wynard Plantation, sold at 575 6d for low middling colory, and at 60s for peaberry, 15 brls Jamaica were all taken in at 48s to 50s for good ord, 16 bags Bahia 455, 189 bags Costa Bica at 49s 6d to 5.8, but damaged sold at 45s to 48s 6d, and 65 bags Rio ditto 38s per cwt. Cocoa.—To-day at public sale 27 bags Bahia Cocoa sold at 30s for bright red. TEA.—To-day rather lower rates being accepted for icom mon Congou occasioned large parcels to be so.d at 11%cl to Is per lb for new import. Rim—To-day there was more business concluded pri vately in last India Rice, but holders were compelled to ac cept previous low rates. SPICES.—To-day at public sale 175 bags Pimento sold at rather lower rates—middling aid to sd, good ord 41d, and one lot very common 3/1-1 per lb. SPIRITS. - -Only small purchases have been made in !East India Rum, but there are not sellers under Is 6d. proof. Leeward Island is dull of sale, and the nearest price is Is 8d proof. Operations in Demerara have been to a limited extent only at 2s 5d to 2s 8d for 30 to 40 overprooL Fine Jamaice from 34 to 38 per cent. over to wanted at 3si 8d to 4s Ed; but for other sorts the market has a dull feet, and a desire is evinced to sell 30 to 36 overproo aspect, low and good quality at 2s 8d to s 6d. In Brandy there Continues to be little doing for any purpose ; there are free sellers of Cognac Brands of the vintage of 1850 at 45 4d to 4s 6d, 1849 ditto 4s 7d to 4s 9d, 1848 ditto 4s 10d to ss, 184 ditto 5s 2d to 55 4d, and inferior sorts 3s to 4s. IP Gelleva sales are, upon a more extended scale, common at Is 7d to Is Bd, and fine Is 9d to 2s ; the value is still 9s 8d to 9a 9d for British made Spirit; and for Gin 81 3d for 22 per cent, under proof. SALTPETRE.—The market to day for Calcutta presented a dull aspect, and of 3,063 bags at auction a small part only sold at 26t for refraction 9i to 8i per cent, being rather cheaper; the remainder was taken in at 26s to 26s 6d for refraction 8 to 14 per cent of common quality. Irentao.—There are not generally sellers under last quar terly sales' rate; but there is a reluctance on the part of shipders and hone dealers to do business. Spanish is held for late dates; the market is in a quiet position, and there is a fair quantity on o ff er . Cocomars --The best sorts are wanted at full rates, but for inferior thereis a dull demand, and having a large supply prices have furter declined. At auction 300 bags were nearly all sold ; Elonduras silvers went at 3s 4d to 3s 10d, Mexican silvers Is 2d, black 3s 4d to 3s Bd, and Teneriffe at 35 5d to 3s 6d per lb. For I uction :00 bags declared. FlLUlT.—Currtts have been in good demand at from 35s to 393, and good to fine 40s to 465. Turkey pulled Figs are operated in with nom freedom at 425 to 605. In Raisins there is yet little business doing; but sales are not pressed; Valencia 388 to 4:ls. TALLOW.—Tht demand continues active for Russian on the spot, and theft has been a further advance, fine new Y. C. selling at 41s, and old at 39s to 39s 6d per cwt. For delivery in last tltee months of the year several transnctions nave taken placeaand els 3d to 418 Od paid for new. Home melted is not offend under 37s 6d nett cash. An advance was obtained for othersorts, and at auction KO casks Australian were nearly all sod at from 34s to 38s for low to fine; 750 pkgs South Apure= 35s to 40s, and 20 cks Belgian 36s 9d to 37s 9d per cwt. Eor auction 1,000 casks of Tallow are declared. On.s.—There has been a Rood business done in Cod pri vately. A public elle of 39 tons went at 371 15s to 381 per tun. For Southert late rates are not to be obtained. 01 80 tuns at auction a small part only sold at 30/ lOs to 31/ lOs for first aol second sort. Seal pale is selling at 321 lOs to 314 and other sorts at 301 to 311. For Sperm, holders evnce more firmness. At auction, 12 tuns wese.Bolcl at. 84110 e to 83 for first sort, and some holders ask 13451. 10s to 861. Cocoa' Nut is : offered at a :ieduction, Of 130 pkgs at elution a , s art only 'sold; Sy te .at 27s 9d to 28s ed; and Ceylon at '2oa to `,9s 6 per cwt. For Linsoed Oil more desire i 4 eaineed to sell at 33s 6d on the spot and for delivery, at 35s 9d to 345. Rape Seed Oil pale is ,offered at 34s to 355, brown 315 to 3386 d ; East India ditto 3.'8 to 32s 6d and Foreign refined 35s 3d to 35s 6d. For Olive few buyers are to be met with. Gallipoli is to be obtained at 411 108 to 42/, and other sorts at 40l to 411 per tun. For Palm there 4, 1 e several buyers, Ind 29s to 29s 6d paid for fine. Head matter continues scarce and wanted at 901 to 941 per tun. For auction 500 cases Cocoa Nut are declared for Friday.. ... 2 ... 3 IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. (THIS EVENING.) HOUSE OF LORDS. The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Wool sack at Five o'clock. COURT OF CH4NCERY (IRELAND) REGULA TION ACT AMENDMENT BILL. On the motion of the LORD CHANCELLOR, this Bill was read a sec(nd time. A. PAPAL AGGRESSION. Lora REDESI 3O 4LE presented a p e tition from some place in Norfolk sweat Pupal aggression. The Marquis of BIE ADALB ANE presented a petition from certain members of the Free Church of Scotland censuring the meas‘re of the Government for repelling Papal aggression. He could not concur with the peti tioners. It was a boa delicate question on which to legislate, and he till:tight that Government was entitled to the gratitude of tlo country for the vigour with which they had met the aetression. The Earl of WRCHILSEA presented several peti tions G overnment Bill was ui,sorthy of the Government and of ression. He considered the against Papal aggression. the country. _ CEYLON. Viscount TORENGTON rose to give notice of a motion for this day firtnight on the affairs of Ceylon. He was anxious to to te the earliest opportunity of vin dicating himself from the accusations which had been brought against him it relation to the affairs of Ceylon. While this matter wo 4 the subject of investigation be fore a Select Committee of the othertHouse of Parlia ment be felt that he was condemned to silence. A notice of motion had been given in that House for March 25th, imputing to him the :ommission of the gravest crimes; that motion had bit e postponed, and, therefore, he gave notice that he sl nu ld , th i s d ay f or t n i g ht, dir e ct their Lordships' attention to this subject. He had been accused of the greateit crimes by the Chairman of the Committee, who bad s perfect knowledge of the facts ; and yet that charge tad been withdrawn, and, however important might be tie financial affairs of the country, ho thought the characters of a Member of their Lordships' House, of a Minister of the Crown, and of the troops in Ceylon, ought not to be lightly treated. He had no thing to conceal, h, believed he had faithfully dis charged his duty t o his Sovereign and his country, and he should not lave brought forward the motion of which he had Liven notice, if he bad not been prepared to justify all he had done. He had given this notice in order to afford ample opportunity to those who had any Charge to bring forward against him; he should be prepared to justify himself and to appeal to the kindness, the attention, and the justice of the House, satisfied that he riould bo enabled to prove to their Lordships that the accusations which had been brought b against him were wholly without foundation:—(Hear, .., 2 COUNTY COURTS EXTENSION BILL. Lord BROUGLiAM would, on Friday, move the second reading 01 :his Bill, and would then state the additions and attentions he proposed to make in the Bill. The Bill to which he alluded was the Bill to which he had last drawn the Ittentiou of their Lordships, and had nothing to do with bankruptcy. PETITIONS. The Earl of MDUNTCASIIELL presented several petitions against Papal aggression. The Earl of LiNESBOROUGH presented several petitions against the admission of Jews into Parliament. Their Lordships then adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS. The SPEAKER took the Chair at Four o'clock. HASTINGS IMPROVEMENT BILL. Oa the second reading of this Bill being moved by Mr. PIGOTT, Mr. HOLLAND said that he must move that this Bill be read this thy six months. Many inconveniences must, as llon. Members were awaro, arise from the institution of ieveral boards of commissioners. The town w as at present abundantly supplied with the conveniences which the Bill was introduced to cure, and the was therefore neither more nor less than an incubus which was already provided for. Mr. PIGOTT said the Bill was merely of a sanitary nature, and therefore to oprse it was only a work of supererogation. The Bill, if passed, would work a great improvement in the peculiar position of the town, and was cerLin to seure a great benefit for the inhabitants. Mr. FREWEN said that when he saw the names of three Members on the back of a Bill, and one of those refused to give his sanction to it, he believed that a suffi cient reason had boen supplied for the rejection of the Bill. lie should therefore vote against it. The llouse then divided, when there appeared— ... 59 ... -38 For the amendment ••• Against it ••• ''• Majority The Bill was consequently lost. FIRST READINGS. Several Bills were then read a first time. PETITIONS. Mr. VILLIERS presented a petition from Wolver• hampton praying for the establishment of financia county boards. Lc , rd CHARLES MANNERS and several other Members presented petitions from Brighton and other places against the Papal aggression. Mr. BRAMSTONE and Sir E. BUXTON presented several petitions against the Bill fur the removal of Smithfield market. Sir R. INGLIS presented petitions from Clerkenwell and other places, praying the house to take some niea sort s fur repressing the Papal aggression. The IIoN. BARONET also presented petitions from several places praying that the Jews' Oath Bill may not pass into a law. Mr. TCHELL presented a petition, signed by many influential mercantile firms in London, praying fur an inquiry into the management of the Board of Cus toms. Mr. SHAFTO ADAIR presented a petition from Cambridgeshire praying that the present Papal aggres sion Bill might not pass into a law. Colonel GILPIN presented several petitions for and against the Ecclesiastical Titles Bill, and for and against the Financial Boards Bill. Mr. WILLIAMS presented a petition, ♦ery nu merously:signed, praying for the abolition of Sunday trading. They stated that nothing was obtained for the Exchequer by Sunday trading, and that in other ways much was lost to the nation. _ _ _ Sir DE LACEY EVANS presented pretitione from the parishes of St. John's and St. Margaret's, Westmin ster, praying for some alteration in the tariff. Mr. SPOONER presented a petition, from the Bath Association for the promotion of Protestant Principles, stating that within the last few years no less a sum than 383,0001. bad been granted by the Government for promoting the encouragement of the Romish religion. Lord N AAS presented several petitions from Sligo and other places praying for a remission of the duties on home-made spirits. Mr. SCULLY presented a petition from the county of Tipperary praying for the imposition of a duty on foreign corn and flour imported into this country, and stating that unless such duty was imposed the farmers in that part of the country would be ruined. Mr. Urogan Mr. Frewen, and other Members pre sented: a large number of petitions against the Papal aggression. and praying the House to adopt stringent measures for its repression. Mr. P. HOWARD presented a petition from Carlisle, and another from Darlington, against the Ecclesiastical Titles Bill. PRIVATE MONEY DRAINAGE ACT. Mr. B. COCHRANE postponed his motion respecting the extension of the Private Money Drainage Act of 1849 until this day fortnight. THE CENSUS. Mr. GOULBURN wished to call the attention of the Home Secretary to the fact that among the inquiries which had been addressed to different classes for the purpose of taking the proposed census, . clergy men of the Church of England were required to give an account of the number of persons attending their place of worship, and also to make returns of their items of income with greater minuteness that was even required for the property-tax. He thought it was ex tremely unfair that a clergyman should be required to answer such questions. Sir G. GREY stated that a letter had been addressed by the Registrar-General to all such individuals, inform ing them that they were not legally bound under a penalty to answer these queries. The Government wished to obtain as accurate information as possible with respect to the number of places of worship, and of the aggregate of religious education throughout the country, and it was hoped that clergymen would forward this ob ject as much as possible. With regard to the question of return of income there would be no objection to with hold those queries. PUBLIC BUSINESS. Mr. DISRAELI said an inquiry was made yesterday respecting the probable conduct of public business, and he should be glad to know from the Right Honourable the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he rightly understood the answer to that question. He understood the Right Honourable Gentleman to say that he intended to proceed with the financial statement on Friday, and it was proposed to take the army esti mates immediately after the close of the adjourned debate. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the Hon. Gentleman had correctly stated what fell from him last night. It would be necessary to take the army estimates the first open day after the second read ing of the Ecclesiastical Titles Bill had been disposed of NEW HOUSE OF COMMONS. Viscount DUNCAN wished to ask the Member for Lancaster—When the New House of Commons will be ready for the reception of Members? Whether the gild ing of the roof, and other costly decorations of the New House of Commons, have been introduced under the sanction and by the order of the Commissioners of the New Palace of Westminster? What provision has been made for a better supply of water in case of any future accident by fire? Mr. GREEN, in reply to the first question, could state what Mr. Barry bad written him, which was this—" As soon as the walls are sufficiently dry— ( A laugh;—we shall proceed with the finishing, which may be completed by Whitsuntide." With regard to the second question, he could only say that the Committee rooms of the new House of Commons should be fitted up as plain as possible, so as to be in as strong contrast with. the House of Lords as possible .—( Daughter.) Th 6 Commissioners, however, certainly did authorise the in- Arbdnction of painted glass. With regard to the last question; he had simply to state that neither Mr. Barry nor the Commissioners had anything to do with the supply of water. Mr. THORNELY wished to know if the Commis sioners had ever thought of gaining a supply of water from the River Thames in case of fire? Mr. GREEN repeated what he had already stated, that the supply of water rested entirely with the Woods and Forrests. CASE OF MR. LEWIN. Mr. F. O'CONNOR asked the Right Hon. Gentle man the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he could give him any information on the subject of Mr. Lewin's case. Sir G. GREY said he had received a report from the police commissioners, which represented that the person to whom the Hon. Gentleman referred, was arrested with another in the park, on suspicion of picking pockets. The other had been convicted, and was now undergoing his sentence.—(A laugh.) Mr. F. O'CONNOR—Does the Right Hon. Gentle man mean to say that the person I alluded to was tried and convicted? Sir G. GREY did not know which of these persons the Hon. Gentleman referred to.—(A laugh.) Mr. F. O'CONNOR said he would repeat his question some other evening, as it was no laughing matter to confine a young man in prison for nothing. BUSINESS OF TO-NIGHT. _ _ Mr. ROCHE wished to know if Government intended to proceed with the adjourned debate to-night if the mo motion of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman the Mem ber for Carlow extended beyond ten o'clock? Sir G. GREY replied in the negative; but if the mo tion terminated befove ten o'olock i the adjourned debate would be brought on. Mr. ROCHE, under those circumstances, would be glad to know if the Hon. and Learned Member for Youghal intended to bring his important motion on to night respecting the Raja of Batters? Mr. C. ANSTEY had certainly promised to give way in favour of the adjourned debate, but it was only on condition that other Hon. Gentlemen who had notices on the paper did the same; and as that con dition had not been fulfilled, he should go on with his motion to-night. After some further observations, the subject dropped. MUSIC LICENSES. Mr. SANFORD asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he had it in contempla tion to bring in a Bill to amend the Act 25 George IL, c. 26, in order to invest a discretionary power in the Middlesex magistrates of granting licenses for music se parate from dancing licenses ? Sir GEORGE GREY said it was not his intention to bring in a bill on the subject, nor had the magistrates expressed any wish that such a Bill should be intro duced. BOARD OF CUSTOMS. Mr. MITCHELL postponed his motion for a select Committee to inquire into the constitution and manage ment of the Board of Customs, until Friday, the 21st instant. TITHE RENT-CHARGES IN IRELAND. Mr. SADLEIR rose to bring forward the following motion, and his appearance occasioned a rush of Members out of the House:—" That It is expedient to substitute for the existing mode of varying the amount of tithe rent charges in Ireland a self-acting system, whereby the amount of all tithe rent-charges in Ireland shall be increased or diminished every year, according to the average prices of corn, as ascertained by public advetise ment, in a manner similar to the existing method of varying tithe rent-charges in England and Wales." The Hon. Member observed that this was a subject of very [great importance, not only to the owners, but to the occupiers of hind. He was ready to admit that the direct effect of this motion was to ask the House for a distinct expression of its condemnation of the system provided by the Legislature for the alteration of tithe rent charges in Ireland.—(Hear, hear.) It would be sufficient for him to say with regard to the histary of Irish tithes, that the Legislature at the period substituted for tithes in that , country a compo sition, and then again for that composition perpetual rent charges, which were generally called tithe rent charges. There is no concealing the fact, that all questions of Irish legislation, were determined by the views and opinions of English Members. The nu merical strength of the Irish Members was wholly unavailing as far as regarded any general question of legislation, and hence it was necessary that when any measure for Ireland came before the House, the English Members should be made acquainted with the whole local and other circumstanee connected with it. The Hon. Gentleman then proceeded at some length to state the details of the Tithe Composition Act, which was passed in 1823, and entitled the 4th George IV. By this Act the averages were taken from the seven years immediately preceding the year 1821. The next Act after that, was the year after the sth George IV. Instead of the tithe rent charge being regulated by the actual price of corn in the neighbourhood, it was settled upon the prices advertised in the Dublin Gazette. By the Act of 2d and 3d of William IV. , c. 95, the composi tion was to be regulated by the then prices of corn. Other regulations had been established by the 6th sec tion, which he would read . The Hon. Member th en proceeded to read the sections of the Act in order to show the average price of wheat within the county. Ho also quoted the Ist and 2d Vic., passed in 1838, the object of which was- to carry this out. Thebes regulations brought him to the point which e was de sirous to attain, viz.: that the rent -charge should _be equal is its proportion to the price of corn. In England this point was perfectly underst.ood, and the matter was easily settled ; but d in Ireland the thing was totally different. Everybo y_ knew that the Gazette gave no real criterion of the price of corn in the district. Now it should be understood that no cue in an agricultural district could possibly know or act upon the inst ructions published in the Dublin Gazette. The regula tion Was From what he had therefore useless and unnecessary. shown it was clearly proved that th ere could be no knowledgen of this pr ice in the _ Gazell e. But it w as answered, that ac cording to the Act a notice was to be posted upon the doors of the plac es o f worship indicating this price. Of what use was such notice as this, when it was recolle cted that ion anv in. stances thee were no places of worship wllich these notices could be posted. How, then, cou ld the inhabitants know what the price of wheat really was. the Hon. Gentleman then went through a series of calculations in order to show that while the price published in the Gazette was 38s. 80., I the real money obtained was little more than 30s. Well, then, in order to obtain the al lowance necessary between these two prices it was necessary to have a crtitrcate properly ceitified as to the circumstances of the case. This was no small objection ; but there was a greater one. This certificate was to be backed by some person who would Add his own certificate of the truth of the representation which he made. Then there v:as the evidence of Mr. Ford, by which it appeared that this re gulatiou was de facto a perfect humbug.--(Law;hter.) He trusted that the time was not far distant when the tithe rent charge in Ireland would •be made redeemable by legislative enactment, being convinced that it would be productive of the best eMcts. It would relieve many scruples in the Encumbered Estates Courts, especially among Quakers. (LEFT SPEAKING.) The Marquis of Lansdowne, Lord President of the Coun cil, returned to town yesterday, from his seat, Bowood Park, Wilts. IMPERIAL PAItLIAMENT• HOUSE OF COMMONS, March 17. ECCLESIASTICAL TITLES BILL—ADJOURNED DEBATE. Mr. MOORE resumed the debate on the second reading of this Bill. He said that the Right Ho nourable Baronet the Secretary of State for the Home Department, in moving the second reading of this Bill, had professed that he would clear the ground for the House to come to a proper understanding on the subject.—(Hear, hear.) So far, however, from clearing up any of the difficulties which sur rounded the Bill, the Right Hon. Baronet had kicked up such a dust that he had made the ground much darker and more difficult. He thought, however, that it would be conceded that the opponents of the Bill had since that time cleared the ground of a great deal—in the first place, they had cleared the ground of the Hon. Baronet himself for the space of ten days, and since the restoration of himself and his colleagues they had cleared the ground of at least three-fourths of the Bill ; they had cleared it of anything which could ever have imparted any shadow of consistency to it. The Noble Lord at the head of the Government had openly avowed that the opinions of his former life were blunders and misconceptions, and that the present Bill was founded on an entire change of his opinion. They bad also exposed to the public view the paltry strings that pulled the puppet of intolerance and bigotry. and shown how the same strings that pulled the puppet s head up were ready to pull it down again. Be did not wish to refer to the erratic fights of indi viduals, but when he heard them accompanied with the cheers of the House of Commons he could scarcely forbear commenting upon them. He referred to the speech of the lion. Baronet the Mem ber for Tamworth, and as he had heard that the lowest Jacobins were the Gamaliels at whose feet the Hon. Baronet delighted to sit, he hoped that from that source the Hon. Member drew his matter us well as his manner. The first question to be decided was, whether the act of the Popo was an aggression, expressed in insulting language; secondly, whether it had been a temporal or a spiritual aggression; thirdly, supposing it to be an aggression, was there reasonable ground for the Pope to believe that it was an act offensive to the British Government, or one which, on the contrary, was not only innocent but acceptable ; fourthly, if the Pope had erred in the conclusion, whether the relations of the Government with the See of Rome were or were not such as to warrant that error— in a word, whether the error was with the country or with the Pope ; and fifthly, stilt assuming it to be an aggression, whether the House was of opinion hat it was an act which called for such a vindi cati n as that proposed by her Majesty's Government, and which was likely to lead to such a serious consummation. With regard to the first proposition he (Mr. Moore) freely conceded that the act of the Pope was an aggression— a spiritual aggression of a most decided character; but then he maintained that the Pope was dis tinctly in his right, as every man, native and alien, had a right to promulgate his opinions when such opinions were tolerated by the State. In religion, which lived upon persecution, aggression was an inevitable neces sity. Without aggression the world would never have bad Christianity any more, than persecution. The question, then, was, could such aggression be opposed successfully by penal laws? That the Pope exercised spiritual authority over one third of the people of these kingdoms could not be denied. That the Papal power' W kimperiuiu'in ld not stop to . dispute ; but he would maintain that it Nyotim be as reasonable to pail an Act of Parliarnent.ag4nst the hifluence of the moon on the tides as • against .the-immatezial and. powerful authority otthe head -of the Catholic Church. Ar rogance had been imputed to this act of the Pope -Spiritual arrogance ; but the Turk on the banks of the Euphrates did not approach in the smallest degree to the arrogance of the English people on the subject of religion. In tact if all the pride of all the fallen angels had entered into their souls, they could not, in his (Mr. Moore's) opinion, exhibit a greater amount of arrogance in that respect ; and in proof of this he referred to the address of the prelates of the English Church to the Queen, wherein language the most illiberal, the most labouredly and grossly insulting, had been em ployed in speaking of the religion of one-third of her Ma jesty's subjects. What was the insult or aggression of one head of a Church to those of a whole hier archy, whom the Catholics were condemned to pay for anathemising them. In spiritual aggression as well as insult the Catholics were therefore the debtors of that hierarchy; and though they were obliged to imprison their pride in their own hearts, it was not the less strong for biding its time, and certainly they would not forget their debt. The next question he should consider was, whether this aggression was temporal or spiritual in its character. He asserted it was not the former.; and he had not been able, in all that was said or written on the subject, to discover a clear description bow it because so, and still less a proof that such it was. The Noble Lord (the Member for London) had made a long speech in invidiant, quoting the words of Cardi nal Wiseman's letter, " We govern," &c., as an invasion of the prerogative of the Sovereign ; but with the exception of this wretched perversion of that ecclesiastical letter, that or any of the speeches which preceded or followed it did n t define that charge, or contain any evidence in support of it. He (Mr. Moore) maintained that the whole case got up on this ground was disingenuous; for all assumption of temporal authority on the part of the Pope had been over and over disclaimed. In truth the entire argument of the Noble Lord and those who supported him in that respect was the same as had been used by the old ladies of this country at any time within the last hundred years ; and nothing more or less than what the Noble Lord himself had so often scorned and derided at any time within the last quarter of a century. He (Mr. Moore), however, looked upon the best reply to the Noble Lord's arguments—if such they could be called • on this point, to be the statement of the Noble Lord the Mem ber for Bath, respecting the organisation of the spiritual body designated W esleysns in this country. The fact was, and it was well known in England, that Cardinal Wiseman no more meant that he should govern Middlesex temporally than that he should govern the whole country. The Hon. and Learned Member for Oxford had th own overboard that co-rse assertion of temporal power, and taken refuge in a fine-drawn distinction intelligible to no one but himself; and yet for such a distinction the whole country was to be torn in pieces. The Hon. Member for the University of Oxford urged that the Church of Rome claimed authority over every baptised Christian. But was not this claim made by every Church? The Hon. and Learned Member for the city of Oxford might say, no ; but an Hon. Member for the Uni versity of Oxford said, yes; and he said moreover that every bishop in the Established Church claimed this jurisdic tion. Thus, then, were the bishops of the Episcopal Church in this country, the bishops cf the ecc esiastical Church in Scotland, and the bishops of the garrison Church in Ireland claiming all the dissenters, members of the Church of Scotland, and Roman Catholics; but did the Dissenters, the Presbyterians, or the Roman Catholics care an atom for this claim. The Roman Catholics, he could speak for them, certainly protested against the bishops cf the Esta blished Church putting their hands in their pockets; but, as regards their claims to their souls, they regarded it with the most perfect indifference. The argument of the Hon. and Learned Member for Oxford, that the hierarchy would be followed by the canon law, and that under the canon law the Pope might depose the Sovereign and dissolve the alle giance of the subject, was as absurd as that which d alleged that absolution would be denied to all wh o oppose ecclesi astics, in the same manner as was done by the Archbishop of Sardinia in regard to the author of the Siccardi law. There had been a hierarchy in Ireland for cen turies, and the canon law was in force there; but none of these consequences had occurred ; while as regarded the refusa lightlutothough the people of that country were, or the ev b e bull In h o r , a ( i_ d m r t . o o proceedor e cl .i as n t o h t e helirsay, d British their clergy, no one cared for the canonl,aaf against the orhieni, priests.an d no one ln was, hon es a t bov tr e nt a h l , believed that t a h n at his t h h enononrtlysu againstitor Government in case they proceeded with the present Bill. th vi e ho cler w g e y u w i As regarded the question of spiritual power, the Attorney- Generaland that with the insult the H in partibus p eviousb, ouse sat 1 it was no more state wa.fatsheixrgesrcsisoeddebscyribbiesdbobpys had nothing to do. Yet for a the first law officer of the Crown, the country was to be torn f t - e Pope, to pieces. The next question was, whether the aggression if such it was, on the part o _ ens .was erne which he had reason to conceive would be (!ill itself and e the Government, or, ress it on notice of the on the other hand, innocent and not unacceptable h o _been accused of makirg va to them. On this point the f i Nob i le e Lord at the head of the Government had smadelda c n o o n t ession so themhuiliating that rd had p he (Mr. stoore) h it i a s ti m on ind t . he I N ia oh o le ir L . o ki rd aa a r d e - ) riliciouussesiatTembeeldjobneht_Lue subject at issue in 1834 and in 1845 —statements directly contrary to his present course ot considerableac ad a e h a n mated them, accounting for his conduct on this occasion by g h ed es however, pped confidently evea to those Ho bl notira e Members who were most opposed to him, whether this an swer would be held as satisfactory, or any other than diplo- matic. The Hon. Member then saying tion ; a r, appeal after h referred to the letter of the Hon. Member for South Nottinghamshire, and concluded by 00 n tending that the Pope lead reasonable grounds to suppose in the a sanction, would t h a t his measure, if it did not obt • uld at least command the silence of B u t if there had been m ind of the Pope, the any misconception on this point in the state of the relations between the British Cabinet and the Papal Court were such as to render it perfectly excusable. There _ was no country in the a orld where such a monstrous fiction was maintained as that the religion of one thir of the inhabitants—which religion was admi • tted by the State- should be ignored by the law. But it w for ages was not unparalleled in the history of England ; after France had cast out the English power, the Sovereigns of England claimed the title of Kings of France also. At the present moment Hon. Members distinctly swore that the Pope had • • lin this realm, no spiritua authority when the contrary was well known to them to be the fact. And an internecine struggle was almost provoked for the maintenance of a falsehood so arrogant. The Hon. Member then referred to the debate on the Bill for diplomatic rela tions with Rome, and asserted that the Noble Lord at the head of the Government was laughing in the face of the House when he made his statement in respect of the Papal aggression. It was not the division of the c untry into dio ceses that made the aggression, but it was the people them selves who had fancied the aggression. It was not a proper vindication of the law to pass enactments that were not to be carried into effect, or were to be carried into effect in • ne part of the kingdom and not in the other. This course was more degrading to our national honour than anything else that could be imagined.— (Hear.) Mr. WIGRAM (who was indistinctly heard at first) said, this measure had been t-eated, during the debate, as if it was but of little consequence to this country, and as if it merely referred to a speculative opinion. He was sa isfied this was a mistake. Wherever the system of Rome pre vailed, the liberty and prosperity of a nation d clined— wherever than, system was checked, liberty and prosperity flourished.— (Hear, hear.) Look to the vario'ts states own ing the sway of Rome. Spain had sunk to a contemptible rank among nation., under the away of Rome. On the other hand, the states of Holland, since their freedmi from the Papal yoke, had grown iu wealth and civilizat'oD, TBheo offered a difect contra it to Spa in. Look to England. p r osperity and liberty of Engla nd were owing to the Reformation.-(Hear, h:ar.) Scotland owed its prosperity to a similar cause. In Switzerland the traveller could tell, by the very aspect of the peopl - , which cantor" we 3, Roman Catholic and which Protestant: ln Can ue ,, the distinction between koman Catholic dist ri f h ; and Protestant districts was most marked. In ''' United States the same result prevailed. So in MeXico , so in Ireland-(Hear) -and in ether places where the',omrr. Catholic system existed. These examples were most et 11 ‘ .. ing ; but he did not mean or wish to atttibute quences which v ere witnessed in Roman Catholic COuntries. to the peculiarities of the creed of Rome.---I.llear.) lie at- tributed them to the Ecclesiastical system of ROMe.•-• (li,e!' i l To no other cause cou l d he attribute the differences , wu?e_. lie had pointed out. These examples strongly proved that it was the duty of every Government who valued civil e' l religious liberty to see that the progress of the Romano Catholic system be checked.- (Hear.) With respecetdtd the introduction of the Papal bull into this country, h ided not consider that any portion of a bull which Itcontemplal`. purely spiritual objects ought to be legislated againt , a purely spiritual matters were to be met, they nuts , be 'e` t i l d a different way - not by legislation, but by reatonintc_a„r.) by the diffusion ofsound and Scriptural tducati n.- UT a Ofi.conse But the I'apal movement had art as pect v an d very different kind. He affirmed it vas an aggressio , an aggression upon those principles which 0n# 1 1,,, ..... is be respected and kept sacred by every Roman Cattlyat',3 (Hear, hear.) The very basis of the compact of 18% . 9 w as that the Pope was to have no temporal power ilLat:'id countr. He cou soap regard the introduction of the . 1- F bull oie ar, other h w e i a s r e . than rrThe sole n frobject e o n f t ofthethabt Lill,sne canon establishment of a hierarchy, was to introduce the law, which was, in reality, intended to interfere wl hea t r b . ; temporal action of the laws of this country. - (Rear' avowal by There needed no other proof than the distinct •ay.01,,.a. Cardinal Wiseman in his pastoral address. Cardinal Iv " man stated -0 eecular sure of that preposterous cant of the age, that th _ eq _ . , " All that we plead against is, the adoption in any leea power, as such, is bound by its duty to God to extened_cuu; toleration to all religions, irrespective of the peel r i y r tha t r inci c rlei -- b ; stances which may attach to each separate case c reed , as +. B every men has a right to adopt s -ch a religious r I power is pleases is untrue; to say, &so, that theme mpo_ f oral power 13 pleases is untrue; to say, &so, that the teP the props never called upon to p.,t obstacles in the aY ci) is gation of religious errors, is also u ntrue; and on true that the English law professee to toler hts as the only that ground, as well as on our indefeasible rig claims of the true Church, while we meddle not with the sects about us, we take our stand." the two following It was suggested it could be only in one of forms:- her and full consti " Either the Holy See must issue anot hich would be but ste t tution, which would supply all wants, but W d a s a special necessarily complicated and voluminous, an , sr the real and provision, would necessarily be temporary, extended to oe,perfectly complete code of the Church must fart once compatible with the Catholic Church in England, so as al. But, its social position ; and this, provision would be final. its nexpedient in order to eopt this second and mere ahateuglitholic Must one condition was necessary, and that was, t- ~,. un ter have a hierarchy. The canon la w is itiapP livable vicars apostolic." So, therefore, when Rome was considering bow it -sh • ° - ‘11 ! ereeti°, l6 ,,,, accede to the application made to it, it decided on If that canon law was introduced, he asserted it we t ld pith hierarchy solely with the view of introducing the air t.l" t , the Court of Rome ower to iuterfere this con e country w" '''' doctrine temporal matters.- (Ileac, hear.) H e assorted'p, the lenty of the canon law was ro antiquated law. There'we,, aas of mo 'ern proo's of this, and he need only refer which it was Canonicum," published in i 831, at Rome, in.. ,, __,,. 0 a n asserted of Reiffensteul that the Pope had a right t. make ecclesiastical constitution for the whole world, and, as or of Christ, had a supreme power, if necessary,.. dud --I t wag disposing of all temporal goods of all Christians,. _on6ned elear, therefore, that the object of hierarchy was no ; u t are to temporal things. It was right, ther , tore, for the legt which of the country in such a case to uphold the principles on ( ~ Hear./ the Emancipation Act was granted, and to interfere.. lion of The essential feature of the hierarchy was the intres.l.' oug ht the canon law, and as that was so objetionable, ri. . o f ption to be met by fitting legislation. Then the ass n ? ht , It titles was undoubtedly an evasion of the Queen' s t r l t g jes , a nd the Pope had, therefore, no right to Warn e was the exclusive right of the Sovereign t., confer ower of the P e. The conferring titles on British subjects AS h e b ad indeed,"n' t ° main objection to the Government measure, and, vita any legis ation at all on this question, was, that noth in ga in ea to be feared from the acts and spread of Popery -0 31- s , ie had changed-and that Popery was not the sum 11°W ally former ages. But he felt surprised at this assertion, was perfectly clear that Rome had only not been:l o x due. restraint. . It was said that the . -mischievous in all ages and places, because e P" f e tter religious liberty. , They whdargned so argued as . 1 04 , 11 ta ns were the great advocates or. thaeprinciple. , de We r k,b o lica that such views were not the viewi-of Roman '* n ot generally. Many larkii - bodieei of Reiniiii Catholies did h he entertain that view. In the Rambler, a Roman CO ? o p, publication, ho found a statement, which, in his oPl e l so more truly represented the views of Roman Catholics than hi the statements made by Hon. Members in that nous .. . l24 l e r* , ,13;11 :vrould:, they of religious liberty maintained that no man bad a right to bring religi e " -- dug into contact with civil libesty • and he contendol that ir Car a good would flow from what had taken place. were the best defenders w h o too- that p w ri i n u c l i ple respectto act to t u h p e on me i e n eo t r h e i , s h e i n d s i t d an n c o e t that civil liberty was not infringed. He was satisfied iit The r hs 'g tu . comprehensive. He thought a condemnation of the Unction of the bull of the Pope ought to have been Ins ally, and a declaration prohibiting such an act, under Pe°,7 pe 'n fur the future. Believing, however, that the Bill had. .`",: - t his m s r u . p E po . support. Mr. introduced in a spirit of sincerity, he was prepared to give 1 ROCHE said, that the Honourable waSthink Print e Ii G iPU W e .O Li .4 C i t 1:e e l 315 t 111: - he ( s H h e o ar ul , d h r e a a t r h .) er , s H ay e h it ad was who land bad just j e u n st ex sa a t re d p o le wn of , had the se h ra ah 'e e d fe u l p e s ti : te e of e t eof h i e th s e tal w e ro ti ,: 7 l religion, I: h a u l t l. C tr a in th es ol o ic f pie of the baneful effect that was growing up under ° le o " Protestant laws which were supported by Protestant hef t - a ' nets. Ireland, instead of being a stigma upon the W el a j i Catholic faith, was a disgrace to Protestants, because,. t he was governed entirely in opposition to the feelings c" ' - h a e country. He held this measure to be an infringement of,i -.danthae::l;ilif Emancipation Act. The Act was the charter of Roinan,,,,L'hialt tholic liberties, which they were attempting to invade. 1 „. 6 .-- Bill did invade those liberties, and therefore he would opP':, it. The first clause of this Bill, he asserted broadly. weijo great an opposition to the endowment of the Rowan C„, t r, ° ,, , ao Church as either if the two clauses expunged. This 0, 1 ,• o f a retrograde movement, and going back to the legisie"%oi. , past ages. During the debates respecting the Catholic ese.t:te patina, in 1829, the Duke of Wellington state d that la i l l e st a law was passed in Ireland to prohibit any Catholi c P•rhe from assuming • titles ; but it was repealed in 1793 t hat 3 effect of the Bill was found so intolerant and uttlas t w or l e was repealed, and up to 1.29 the priests and prela te , tier tree to assume any titles they pleased. In 18z9 the ~..o , i e do e lies consented, and he thought very iniproperlY, to erf a a, of their liberties to a certain extent, and not to assitin e "' w oe places belonging to Protestant bishops. .pow the/ That wee called upon to go back to the legislation of 1793• htto be legislating upon a principle of which they oak', There ashamed, in the middle of the nineteenth centug:: e , , are was another reason fc,r him to oppose the Bill. lufropre attempting to impose an Act which they called rt,. c iLoi, it hensive Act; but as it could not be extended to Are l oo silt was a delusion upon the people at large. If G e " w r eethe r eaten 2ed this Bill to Ireland, he asked then' - "attir e they were prepared to carry it tut? Would theLd Jell to appeal to a Catholic jury? They had that cl,ira and dissatisfaction enough in Ire and, an d b a d Ill" satisfaction was increased by maintaining a t War" upon the statute-book. This Bill would go into that bad list, and they were therefore ene. uraging ~.t , „ re spo°' spirit of dissatisfaction. Upon them would res t te-. lito it sibility.- (Hear.) A bull similar to that introduced into t country had formerly been sent to Sydney, and w.... t een Protestant bishop complained, Lord Stanley, who w a li s i r of Colonial Secretary, said he did not consider it anY now 01 the Government. How then could they turn round refoso say the bull really interfered with the Quoe n'e su P •yed He did not believe that any man in this country, °li t the re the years of discretion, believed it. He believed tht ic ii, ia was in this country a puritanical spirit of bigot* Tr" ..a it many cases, had been got up by Protestant bisbope, I.l;:irich was bowing to this spirit of intolerance and We t / 1 0 . 11 made them now attack this unfortunate Dr . " *-- beer' . her a this country. Now they were going to de snot .iinitteal thing,th to extend it to Scotland, where no one clauselintr duece Queen's supremacy. There was to be a , 0 „, i 0 Scotland° meet the case of the Episcopalian V;741 0 in were in the same position as Pr. a" . , ire s 2 . Ireland, and why not meet the case of the'bishop. ~..tiuo. land. ,m_ If they did not, it would be inonstroue.,ll.olrintrp They did things in Ireland, which, if done in O s : A on esti. would make time very hair of their heads to st them,nyou That was justice to Ireland. They seid t willace roars Irish Papists, you shall have nothing. Vire L o d how chains upon you." He wanted to have that el; toedit° they exam tad bishops in Scotland and PrePohe li e the the very same thing penal in Ireland. Ile ex dad _atc' Bill was introduced by the Noble Lord 913 d Establislm. MI Ireland, for the purposs of bolstering up the . dustice, e Church in conquest , That Church was based cri l I sa , gots ht tha t w said was a badge ot and he thoug It we e be o ther. rew on for voting against the Bill altog to support t 0 by some people that the Bill was necesnsaarYsiolitar qustio„ Protestant Church in England. In ' 2 ' n then said," DOD , was mooted, and respectable old gentler" - t he P ... rotestans admit the Catholics, or you will destrnoy amendment woe 1- Church altogether." At that tinebuat the Duke of We v _ proposed similar to the present Bill'e was aware it gave c ; lington did not support it, and said b but wos introdu:: security to the Established Church, the Ent anciPsil the to plunder those who were opposed to o posed to Act. Earl Malmesbury, who hacl been I ) ,, as a greed . re ' der Emancipation Act, said, now that the' Act tclauses of a ha would not consent to the introduction of What o sec uri g qualifying character, as he considered they gwe to the Church. He (Mr. Roche) had ahown,,niancipation. opinions of men who had been opposed to the r- , id nev er "I 's Act. He believed that the present Bill wo uld o.s._ in tai r been introduced but for the spread of Tractariao. 1 A do gS_ country. But the danger of the Pope was t nt ]abet eang: which alarmed the Noble Lord bud which was ,that o, hem. from within the Church itself, old which was ,fr ay ' " hi & 13 : he said, to the very brink of the precipice. , i f whal...t heard a great deal of the Rev. Mr. westßennetL ;aid they Ill ' - to wished to speak with great respect. It e here not °theta screw him down to the rubric,. but wer e t , But he Ns°l,o they must scew up to it? - (Hear, hear./ ct that in ti' bleu Chu the attention of the Noble Lord to the fa , rib el Royal, TriehiAt Chapel Royal, St. James's, and the ‘-'"el)- the way in V",. 1 1 - College, Dublin, the rubric was violated by .-, member t''' - '' the c mmunio.i table was placed. The Lion. ro yer ! read extracts from " Stevens's Bo• k n bri° rf Cornmo . e _ 0 ma ny cases the ' g ale for the purpose of showing that in is a not one ,„00 was either omitted or altered. They ua- f t he °i o a t edition of their prayer book which was not full o . __ els glaring inaccuracies. Now, he had shown t, 13 :,7 0 .b 0 ess there was a prayer book patronised by his Royal " b r i bep! , Prince Albert, by three archbishops and by firteell_i"Royttl. in which it was stated, that neither in the Chan" _ t Da St. James's, nor in the Chapel Royal, Trinity College , 0 be lin, could the communion be administered according..;t 00e cubic or the statute law; and that, in fact, there Wasf,,soiee. edition of their Prayer book that was not full of h isinaerf' Dill. He warned the Noble Lord against proceeding with 4 Witk If Ministers persevered, they must be prepared to nie' on i o a every opposition in Ireland.- (Hear, hear.). Tbe rA r wit.b . Ireland would not permit their religion to be i nterfer e :with' For centuries they had been true to their religion, !!, 11 . one standing persecution, and they would be true to it sti.u_ir r ot, of the greatest blessings the people possessed was tn!,. Wi th gion-it was very dear to them, and anyinterfereneeho is that religion was not only disgraceful to thernaelv es '• Hear , stigma and a disgrace in the eyes of the world.- themselves,( Hear, hear.) They would be slaves, and worse than slaves, if to submitted to such laws. He (Mr. Roche) had no de s ,. o ro• increase the irritation which the proposed measure 135'04/12 duced in Ireland; but he warned Ministers that the c opt they were taking was the way to,create rebellioaa D2l; country-(Hear, hear)-and he feared ii they Perlis su, thi roi Ca sis• 411 . OU Inc (. , • • tie ' Nva !lc • do, ha' DI( for Ca tot \viu bis Oul .1110 sys 11a, or rat Re vva a n ep the it 'nth :A%