The Sun. — London, England, 1814-07-16 00:00:00

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SMITH .. ~, •tir e 1' •it this 1-11""ey. was in fat of , the .*'•r• WIIITEPF AD Was of opinion t 1 , ..1 , 1 .. 'At 11,t ' •' Stil,.l ~. t o be ;;ra n ted. , c thers that he op k:','"lty to the sufferings 0 .. ° which e a s o ii s it was not through 1 - 1 ' t il tili' it, bit. for the,. same r e asons gralit ; 4c1. 44 led 1 • '• „.' the Portuguese .. ffi a_ 1110 to oujec! to - • , , acting me. er tioillse ile tliottlit we . should 0 t(n,,,strYi tOwards the distressed abroad, well known that I)6eqPiel ti!h°,se at li'we' lt2ra to their be and unjustly • I- e llat• n t „ t i r's culintry contributed li ot ! I (!-•.),e purposes., but. as had disposed 0 thvirtili,Mittustible, when they app l y it' to their means were d not its lis4 e eY one: way, they cold might h harm , 1 )c (41 1 . enti t „ i n th i s manner inuc vvllo were L-4).,tt:l 1 4 tlte subjects of this realm , P ir ' ii.,;„' 11 ' 4 of Parliamentary liberality, iv! 1" "n" tii.,,,,i't .entary Justice. He Art.c...l4itie pas , mt liintioaWe'tilotiN%e hi his resista but of ce t th; ground of D t illih rl i', l 'lliel i he should Oppose i l •It'l l l- ,' lint certainly not of feeling. L)ri pll43EßEolicE•explained. there Dro(c.,','A'iltitrasu said, le upon which . t 1,,, vo't,- file wisdom of the princi . p. already anti e was sufficient t ti ll;L t Ni e l ''-as founded froth' its lyetng and most -14 'kecl 1 ' the public, in.,the strongest . itN.,t, nitres'"' He considered 4tixit',l,s country, that we . s tr i s o l f i our own it essential(ic dicey to the an Pe()Nel'i.ntit alo ne for the- suffe,rinz7i tr , i nd in all lila K ll „' F ' 4 ;t fur tile stiffering of - which It i , t -- the world. It was not the , relief lich was to - 1 , N, , ( . 1 be given to the individtials vi l l vilich would , Ile gi 1.'4(1, but the moral influence Europe. If Iltt,r;ice." tool', caus . e - i n. ail parts of German ya '4lll, (l i relief could be given to the . sound n of )14)1icylle. were bound by every niaxil in For i:l.4ll a ( A ) i . v e it and as the proceedings. such re 4ttie I-I'. RlVe» the fullest evidence that surd fullest Y1 ' 4 411 '41 ; 11 be afforded, he concurred ill , thefight Ho bottt:bl vi tli the proposition of his Exchequer.) . a Ilr 'C'rientl (the Chancellor of the vote, but ,'ltlitt;ht""°lttEs-• would not oppose the time com- tills- • 'te were bound to contrilmte to by ti le II : ) , f thrise at ito ine wh o had been sufferers..va.ol -, tlt.i t t i it • He did 't coincide in the obsca v t } l ,ll l (., 1 4 1 i( .4se votes wiUtUe always Consistent with 000 t 1. I 200, kcitt,hand was of 'opinion', that the , . lied to - tll e ii i ° tf.e Russiaui had not yet been .a,p.pvc that' to te :tl/clett h. ' lie „dso.believetl that I with. 'ill 1.'4 not P l.• P""' Russia!, nation received 4, '.t feli tl, % Lew ed by the had •('li, f of satisfaction. - -He t I to the fund' 111..., l '‘)11 1 13 L be d'er°-e( bad not (1 f or ti, ttulty, to' ~. but , ns • • nt i4 ti -e relief of the Russians ' tile' 'ntlgh he had made - several applications management, U(e,i 111illnitie appointed for its inarrg • 3 .4 ti f e , to. induce them to take it. • that they *, i ) ttl t t • '4.salttk . ~„-red the louse . „_ tr i, n titi • m ( l ot , tr , p :ktTli a, s a Report of the (",'. A ttiattlti of t.'he: .t.. receive. . I.;at . . . ;IS satisfact ory of iliet"'4iell had 1 "'"lail cigfor tbe. application :0 _ ... tit t , e to portiLciounleit hopede • the diffi d c ,i l o titte-.4l'iel) shit 4 1 .4 1• li' • iend had experience e.ved . 4(14 i`,,)l,l:illi; to ilis -. osre of the money , i ' recivets, ittolii,i:('`a, in the inPanner intended by its that there tad uat in parliathen t to think _ ,t It u c.Pll a .. of ,tlla '''ilks, riy neglect i n - the manageinc"'" interest It'lliell - t . t, It was a strong trait of the had 7,Xeit,d'"e itifferiogs of tit., Russian people'shOuld ' 4l ' • e sle: lla t not only Europe but India ! fir ...' 'eribed fill' their relief. t • ti e deserting per "'llls at , 4RY wotilti easily find ;kit,il.(l "ulae to receive the money which )breq'"tielltan was thus prevented. sendingfromm ivoold i ,e 10, illefore he consented to the grant 1 e . I. the 4•011••,;(' to know hazy matters' stood with • 1 far ~ti''Y'ivsivil.°se subjectswe,assisted, and how Did ki,i" t 't the e Ale to • I' . • their own peoPle.. 000 l ion. i„ le `Lie : • were 3, Iti , ver ~ now. that there am tri piliell L provision, I 4 ny i „, Tx tio, Without any .of doing :t y titil 'aunt the, means or the ability . ofes.. • ,ira , w i g in life after they bad lost their In try „ ? . t ilii se It (' - ltill " n `v he turned out upon theeu"nthe o ltu t „' e,re certain' , . objects to receive- the kt ot , , ; of p ar „ : y plotter o I he'munificenee of , ,i,trnmeht k,,,thnetit, but t , I. towards fo•- • t a lier s to „t'‘,ls always displayeL ~ fought the t tle t „i til,ne n eglect of those. who b •L•n td i , ' 'lr country. "'at' 4T • t I at the greatest L ita,j e t. "ji. REAGEI Stp.tec. t 1 of Itts„izt uatl een exhressed by the Etnneror As t) ti,, °II the part of - his suffering subjects. . tiq t- ' liar ( ' . flu - IN i . tt eminent which it was asserted the ' l r t 'er% had • • • -parliament', U. gt wa.. h(-xPenenced •tr°t" - i - I entered e serr; ' !' ) , t ," • ot - Inc( . (Iv uni ii 1 1 Th ey Ain t,f. ti •ee fully ... . I h he amount ‘ l , le 1,,, if , a•vate what wont!. „,c.t , it now s' , ' 'Pay they Were to receive,. and t ~,r(,,, t.. t to lit. XD e •"'er thati they originally had a ,Ill'ini no-. et• I t -le t • was.therefore both unjust au,. • --1 ••• h c o r e . . e lite ‘ert. incess• 1 L . - ertion wine t,,.,, (Jul y ant.y .0 an aSs il l , , ere -ate ...roll ,Il discontent. . ' t ( ~, .. , e , . n.. less )itetw.-I,,INCEL bl'd only ! Lott of the ExcnEatlEß ••,‘ !... k' t ell ' to Lucreasi IrT the halt-pay, )a , because R. 11 t4 f • ekr'inge the -' hole 1 )'' to giants nteigner w system. As " • l e ej t ' . • s, -the Clermans had stiffered dreadfully. tfelit. eitton3 of Prits' • 1 I 1 en inccrnceivablY o, t v ,., , , .. ._sta ta t oe . , . u . t , ~. i , I It. 'etl ti, e '." nellcate and refilled Ladies --, ~ ; its tlsaiiti in'seives to eases which might inspire L . , :ssII iti g , if i':ror into person s .04 firtner nerves. T . I!! tqtt ttltsia had expressed' here his thankful ' 11 (1 it l''' eoluntitt • • 1 • • • contributions; o 1.„.._ ~... et fin vo untai y , Air. ti'.'`us(-lf subscribed. i t !' fit tu,i„. Illoatvrotst and sir. T. iicLAND spoke m ktt „ ti.li.t•--t-he grant, which was agreed to witli- Lion . %it_ Th e QU.EEN tI.NNE's BOUNTY.. i, Cii,",,, - ,P.t.t..ot of the ExcnEQUER moved i 4 LA: stun not to ' ' l' A il I,4jt:tv , etc( mg,. 1 00,000 . I be granted to of Queen 1 , t ie s h a l i ,"° he paid into the fon d . , - k i 41 abd „1,1tY,10 assist the Poor Clergy in "ig 41114, "ales, and in Abe ' hlands of Jersey' ,T , J , il(1 Nil . tri .tr . liv . I . 4, liii 0.: S NITII opposed the motion, on the h ilt; 'lt it i i . e -1, .e s „Eli (id not been proved that the r 1 1.••i tt i ..,, le (-hutch were not - sufficient to sup l' Altalbers; wad Oiat_the continual and rapid knei=eiie of iyibes i'entiereci.aii of Ici coiiiri bistipiis iinhecesgarv. ,Mr.,H6ANEß.Objeeted to the -C:';cte-nsiOii of this provision to the island .of Jersey; Guernsev, and Alderney ; , which contributed flotilla.. to the re= _ venue of the State.. • The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER stated, that it was in consequence of representations made Ito the Privy Council, that-a decision was, taken respe€ting those Islands. • . „ After• some further" conversation betWee►i Mr. Horner, the Chancellor of the Exchequer,, Mr. W. Wynne, Mr. Baukes, and Sir- E. Budges, the Resolution was ,carried in the affirmative. 4 " • r! t " t [ 1 ' di II ,( , eliee oith • .1. () „- , ,t t! %). • i , W. ° AOC' , dill 9;i mitt ecor •.,,0 ( 0 . CIVIL LIST. The CHANCELLOR of the ExcnEatma stated, that the Civil List might, be divided into, twn branches ; the Household Department, and the Political and Civil Expenditure. 16 the former there had been a small .diminution ;, in the latter an increase. He then enumerated divers classes • in which augentation, had takenplace. In the Ist and 2{l classes there was no variation. In the 3d,• concerning,allowaoces to Ministers abroad, there was a considerable increase . ; anionn ring to 13,000/. From. thiS, however, 'BOOO/. should .in future be deducted, • arising from pensions which Should cease to be paid to Ambassadors when employ'ed. In the. fourth class, consisting of the Bills of the different departmentS of the - Household, the augmentation did not exceed 2,0001. In the sth, or the Salaries of the Lord Chamberlain's Depart ment, it. was 2,500/. In the 6th Class, respecting • Pensions and Compensations, there was a decrease of - SOON. In trie 7th and Bth, the variations did not pass a, few hundred pouiids. In the 9th, or Occasional Payments, which consisted of several items, in which the allowance to. Foreign Minis ters alone had increased 10,0001.,; there was . an augmentation 'of 30,000/. In• the year 1813, ,the amount of expenditure in that class, was 95,0591.; •in- that ending . tlie • sth April, 1814, it rose to .125,186/. Total amount of the Civil List in' 1813, 1,309,8051.;' in. 1804, 1,349,9001. .11l the revenue of the year 1813 there had been a defi ciency' of 216,936/, and in that of .1814, Of 254,90Q1. in all 471,856/. To meet this deficiency, • 353,0001. had he•en taken out of the. Droits of Adniiraltv and the Danish prizes, but a sum amounting . to 118;8561. still remained tipaid.— He should, therefore, now move a grant to that amount t'o make up the deficiency of the . Civil List up to the sth of April, 1814. He should defer moving any grant to replace the former sum taken out of •the Droits .of Admiralty, until the end of the year. When the •ffinount of these sums was compared %vitt] what had been done to receive and entertain the Illns trious Visitors who had appeared at the Bri-•• tish Court, he trusted they would appear mo•-. (Aerate. Some of preparations intended for the Allied Sovereigns, had, through some circum-- stances, not been completed in time ; but this was no sufficient reason why, at a time like the pre sent, they should .have been given up. If the So vereign of this Country possessed such palace's as the• 'rest of European Monarchs, such frequent grants Wourd not be wanted. But iii their stead, he ,waS compelled to cause temporary buildiogs to be created, which occasioned' a considerable ex penditure. The Gentlemen on the other side of the need not, hOWevcr, be alarmed, 'for : it was not his ,intention_at this late period of the ;Session, to propose a grant Of any satin to erect a suitable Palace - forthe Regent. The Honourable . Gentlethan having then moved his Resolution, Mr. TIERLIii Jose. He thought the subject demanded consideration. He comrlained that, in the Report of the Civil List, -the year ,was, made to. finish on the sth of April, which:rendered • it • impossible to have time accounts at 'a snfficiently early period to investigate them properly. lie had declined last year being on the Committee, as he. did not like to lend himself to such mockery. He begged it to be understood that he, did not mean to accuse 4ny person - concerned of not being able satisfactorily to. account for the way in, whl'ell the various . sums were expended. by them. But it was . a very alarming circumstance, that, for the last' ten years, there had 'been a .gradual annual increase of 30,0001. in the Civil List.-, From 1804 to 1812 this • increase was, 124,0001. and . for the two last years, this was aug- Mem:, I to 240,0001. above what it had been in 1804. This shoved that 'there was, something wrong in the maaagenrent. He would tal:e the hi •lowance to flie Tituval Fain s ily as a sample of the extravagance with whiCh these matters were con ducted. The total amount of stile Civil List, in eluding the grant from the Consolidated Fund to the Royal Family; was 1,700,(JUN. Of this sum 571,0001. was gii'en to the Royal Farnily, He' complained of the extent of the Wiudsor Estab-• lishment. The King Was allowed 160,0001_ per ann. her Maje Sty bad 68,000/. each of, the Prin cesses 16,0001. besides the 30,0001. grant made lately. To this were to be added,- 10,0001. to the • King, front the,Dueby of Lancaster. Altogether, the Windsor Establishment cost 2;90,0001. a year, - in...hard cash, exempted from taxes, and this, he said was too much. The Prince Regent had 60,0001. a-year for his privy purse,- and ten thousand pounds- a-year in addition. lie never could hear any just reason for this addition, for it was exactly 10,0001. more than had been al lowed to his Majesty, when Prince of Wales. — Including this, the grant from the Consolidated Fund, &c. the total income' of the - Prince Re-, gent, by the Civil List, xs'as 148,000/. per an 7 num. 'Of this, he allowed 22,0001: annually to the Princess of Wales, and 50,000/. for the pay-, milt of his Own debts, which left to his Royal. Highness a clear annual iocozne•of 76,0001. He went into all this, to shew the necessity of having a Committee appointed to examine witnesses on this Subject and he -hoped he had said enough to, shew the impossibility of Parliament voting these SUMS properly, without such an examination.— This was a subject more important now from the situation of the country, as the Droits of the Ad- ' .miralty, which supplied so large a•sum for this branch of expenditure, could not be expected . to be so productive . during peace, so that, bye and bye, Parliament would find itself obliged to 'provide for 250,0001. annually in some other . way, if .. the `expellees were -coati nued on the present 'scale.—lt was to beob tt - served, that time excess of the expellees for the en- , , tertainineut of the -Royal 77,0001 i 1 above ihe estimate: As -to the preparations still i4oingOn, if the Right Hon: Gentibtrithi lidd pro vided a plan and estintate of the. buildingS; he have easily . checked mineCeSsary expellee. Ile ciinld not omit to notiee what the . It s ight Hon. Gentleman bad•saiddn this head; Itle had hinted that. the great - eXpende of the preparations 'On this occasion was • according to the small Scair of our palaces compared with those of other countries. • This was to be taken as a 'very plea4ant kind of hint by the Right Hon. Gentleman; of the neteS:= sity of bye and bye coming forward zcitli a pro poal.fi>r a.new palace: As to the inconvenience lately felt for.want of one, the fact was . ,that - the Rosjial. Visitors had been entertained . in slick palaces as our Sovereigns liad, and it appeared that with such as these, the Royal Visitors had been quite satisfied. As.to anY'tiew palace in Contenipla tion; be Would give the Right lion. 6entleman a hint not to be too . ready to give his assent to any proposal which might be made to hint on this subject ; for if he. did, he might be called to account for it ,in no vsry pleasant way. The cx pences in the Lord Chapiberlain's department dur ing the last quarter, had been 112,000/.5 and of thiS 82,0001. was. for furniture i—this .was coot-• moos. • What was to become of all this furniture ? It appeared to him the height of extravagande.7-- Within the last fifteen months 137,00.0/. bad been expended On Carlton House,' besides • the one hundred thousand pounds granted t at the commencement of the Regency, by way of ,out-'64, - .-4 - It was nQt possible. fur Parliament ,to shut their eyes to this. Ten thoUsand pounds was charged for, the expences of journeying during the stay of the Royal Visitors. . This appeared a very.. -large sum under such a head. In the Lord Stewapl's Department there was,., dUring . the last . quarter, an.excess of 45 . ,0001. for mere eating and drinking, besides the, ordinary . expellee, for that purpose. These called loudly for the attention of the House: • The'•CHANCELLOR• of the EKCEIEQUER,—If he had at first erred in giving toO . Sumniary a state ment, the -Right Hon. Gentleman who had , just spoken, had certainly obviated the effect of such an error by the minuteness of his detail. The ex penees of the Political Departments voted in the Civil List were under •the immediate direction of the Treasury, and ,on those he could give any'ex platiatibn, or any minute statement, without feel-, in g: any of that deliciley which was fit in entering into the minutia of the household expellees of the. -Sovereign. 'IV:: to tbe • expenees of the Foreign Department, the Right 'Honourable Gentleman, or any other,. might have any explanation that could he wished for; or any more particalarstate ment that itlight be required. Frbui•diderent cir cumstances, our Envoys_ in Spain an ,c 1 Portugal lived at a very great. expellee. Thed,iffererkee of , 'thtehange was one great cause of- expence•under this head, besides. other fortuitous. circumstances connected with' the. pi ice of provisions and other articles in these .countries. Of late, he was happy to say, these expellees hail been very much dimi nithed ; and although drafts had .reeently.been paid to our Ministers there, they had been drawn when their ,expenses had been at the greatest height. He had 00 reason to complain of want of candour in' the Right 1-ion. Gentleman ; and had be.en 'perfectly aware that, the expenees ,under different heads were of an amount that would strike him. But the . Rt. Hon. Gent. ought to re niewber that these extraordinary expellees were up on an extraordinary occasion, and must be expects cd to J)6 proportionate to the greatness of the cause of the approaching Carnival. ..4.1s to the ex pellees under the head of the Lord Chamberlain's Department, the 22,0001. included the expenses of the new rooms permanently added to Carl ton House. The Rotunda erected in Carlton 'Gaitdens were indeed very expensive, but it was so constructed that it might be taken asunder %in such a way as to be easily put up on •a future occasion. On:the subject of the expenees of this :and the other buildings -now in progress, he was sorry that the estimates of M'r: Wyatt - had been so loosely made up, but every one who knewthis Gentleman professionally, lit public or private, knew.how impossible it., %vas to get him bound down to an exact statemat. He did apt speak th-tis disrespectfully of thiis Gentleman; of whose integrity and abilities, he, as well• as every one who knew him, entertained the very highest orinion. The Upholsterer's- bill amounted to six 'thousand or seven thousand pontls, but ''this Auclncled the furnishing of the new addi tioual to Carlton Hou s e. Apart ments* had also been furnishedlor his Majesty 'the King of France, with many temporary em bellishments, with which, - although. expansive, he was sure there could not be any disposition -in the Himse to find fault.—(Hear, hear !)—The ekrra- Ordinary expellees under this head were '32,0001. certainly a very large sum. ,Apartmentiliad been fitted up Hot only for the King of ]'r i lssia, but' also for the Emperor of Russia, in case he might" have been 'inclined to occupy Clem. Some expen sive preparations had also been made in\ expecta tion of the arrival of the Emperor of Anstria.—: This also 'included the expellee of furnishing . apartments (hiring the visit of the Sovereigns to . Portsmouth: The furniture for the apartments in London remained . in store ,to be appled to any. future purpose; but that at -Portsmouth, by an ancient custom, had been retained there. • In the department of the Lord Steward ,the, expellees had naturally been. great, because during the stay. of the Royal Visitors, tables had been laid in the Palace every day for 20Q persons. 'Be sides the expellees during the visit' to Portsmouth were included under this head. Considering the luagnitude of the scale under which it Wai neces sary to have things conducted, it was not possi ble that any more economical arrangement could have been made. The expenees of travelling to Portsmouth and other places, were included, under the department of the Master of the Horse; and these were as moderate as possible, as could very easily be explained. He admitted the responsibi lity Of the Treasury for the whole of these ex pences ; but he repeated, that on thiS.OeCaii ol ) it was not possible to have that' minute attention paid to the drawing up of the estimates and - accounts that was to 'be expected at other times ; and if at tbis'time they had relaxed a little, he was §ule the House. would be of opinion, that it was on an occasion when it was justiciable.--(Hear, hear'!), ra reply to a question from I. TIERNEY, the Trit t t t.:•, .0t the Exctlicaiirit stated; thgt f iiirnitrei hat! Weed of stick ti deietipti(A ilia it Wis not expected tliit the iipo)OlCerei• take it back ) as lie ebuld not fidlie io di:IPA of it. .• Lord arter a few words on the subject of the inConie of the Prince Regent fron t the, the. Civil List; said; that - i v i t h respect to this - Ni - orks going on i n th e P ar k s ; t he r c sp ii n Sibilify nt themlikt(l - been expressly tal?.en fron the Lc ra. hi!itr iToiti the dppo.si don.) Mr. TitßNEir would male n 6 61 . );ei•atioti oti What had said by the Noble I..x.ird, except ethigratidating the HOUse arid the Coniitry on the way iri which thingS seemed to be tnanged (Latig•hter,froni the 6ppositio n .) • - Arr.. NV.utTitHEAD; aili'erting to the Oar); disclaimer of the Noble Lniii on behalf Of theL6rd Chdtriberlain, of any r'e.stionsfbility Nc to. the workS lti the 'arks, asked tvhd was t(4 NIA/et. that which hitherto n 6 one fieeincll to acknowledge ? . . The CHAlNtbEti'ott of the ExellEcitri laid; that' the expellee of these iVotkS would lie defrayed by 'the Treasury. • . Mr. WHiTtiitEAD.—Who gave the oider, thud where was the primary Antbuiity? The CHANCELLOR Of the EXCHEQU ' En.--Ilie CS timates Of the works into the Trea stiry, and the authotity certainly rested With the Treasth.y. , ' Mi% WnitititEM),-- - Wll6 gate the orders ? (Loud cries - of Order t. Order !Y—Fie begged par don, but really after what had been saki by the Noble Lord, it =would...he most extrafdrdinary if the Right-V..lm. Gentled:an' refused to state Who gave theordeis. Lard CASTLEREAGH--ThiS vi-ds" not a case that Admitted 6f any specific deterinination as to the particular forms Under which the orders for con ducting the preparations Were to be issued. It was a matter certainly rather moi'e iindv,rthe — cog: nizance of the Lord,Chamberlain than the Tres: sury. The clutylineuMbent oti "thos'e who had nn concern in the managetnent was to keep within the bounds prescribed by the .nature of the iicta sion, which' was sueb-as to make it quite impos . sible-tosreduce the, ti . holereponsibility to: any Ono . person. lie apprehended thatstich expences were- perfectly sanctioned by the occasion, - withott its being possible to draw them into any - Feculent. Alt. T 1 EENEI'.-GOod G6d! did the Noble Lord mean ttr say, that, there ; waS ah absolution froti all resputzsibility on this ciccasiau ? lie had tie_ design to Make any - attack on the Laird'Cliam--; berlain, but he was more revonsible than he seemed to thiuh, Whfit could thoSe works he of which no estimate could made ?It Was :Ab surd to gay that no estiMate , conk! be, mtidetof , them. LOlll, CASTLEREAGII„-r-lt might jniit as' well be.. said, that his Majesty's MiAisters were to be re-. sponsible‘for all the'expences and preparations a Ike as l'or those now. in question. .Tbere tvere some eNpences which Caine liid direction„ of the Soverei g n hiniself without . the interferente of Ministers., by their advice and rcsponsibil: It would be pushing a salutary rule to arniost surd extent to apply it to such a case. lit 4 did uut.by any .means .object to _th,..inittciple but to, its application in this instnnee. Mr. TIERNTY.-----Would the Noble Lord say that nor estimates could have been made out, of c:1- , penceS, on so, large a sealu.? If they could, he Would say it was amt :.criminal nin to produce them. . • Mt% Wvtl'NE thought the principle. of the Noble Lord on this matter most dangerous. - It would not have caused any delay in this case if matters had been conducted in the regular mode, by the Sovereign signifying his pleasure to the Lord •Chaniberlain. What return had the people ior the large salary paid to such officers as the Lord Charunerl.in, if it was not their respOn ;ibility in such cases ? 'Mr. WHITBREAD had one other . question to•ask. Who was the person who communicated with the Treasury on the subject ? The CHAN'CELLOR of the EXCHEQUER had no doubt that a Surveyor of Works was appointed on this• occasion. There were officers appointed for this purpose under the Lord Lord Chamberlain, and it was probably from some of these that the ,communications were made. Mr. W. SMITH said, that he believed the publie would object to great sums of money being frit tered away in such a manner. - Lord CASTLEREAGH.-Even if we had not had the satisfaction of a visit from the illustrious So= vereigns Who lately left this country, the, public would expect . some celebration of so great an event as the conclusion of peace. For his own part he knew no tray in which an impression of the greatnessbf the event could be signified except by some such festival - as that in preparation. And if there , was any disposition • to moralise on ale conduct of Government in this respect, it certainly could be for too great attention to economy. lie entreated the Honourable Gentlemen opposite not to . -be so very severe on the subject, inerelv• because. they t'aneied they had found bone flaw in the management. Did they imagine that it - werepOssible to reduce all the preparations . : for such a purpose to estimates ?—lt was impossible. As to the comments on the naval part of tl.learrantre=' nient, he confessed that, at first, he had not beca . able exactly to see the merit of this branch. But when he had 'gone into the Park and, saw the 41 illewed a popnlation o t?tat was pleasing and beautiful, he h l a e t s l l s b de c oectf.nr all o i t % n h v think e h ( e nenr, most t ( 1 ) r e hear aiul laughter.) Ater a r.) to few words from Mr. WYNNE and Mr, P. MoottE, amidst loud cries of Question, the first Resolution - was put and carried: 01. ° C u ‘oriolo wasistf or h t.; p s 1 1 4 ' e for the extra o rdi n a r y experice§ heL.9OOO for the Royal Military Canal. • L. 3000 for the Board of Agriculture. L. 10,000 for paying Bills due to workmen, for repairing both Houses of Parliament. , On the question for this vote, Mr. Serjeant ONsiow called the attention of the Committee to the salary of the Speaker, which had not been increased for 22 years, as was, he' cOnceived A inadequate to his office. He hoped it Would be considered and augmented. The House then resumeCl, and the Report of