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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. ROUSE OF LORDS, May 22. Iheir LOrd h* .ire • s ips met at Four o'clock. titlons against the grant to Maynooth were pre !Wed by the Earl of Harewood, the Archbishop of uanterbury, the Bishop of Cashel, the Bishop of Glou elkoer, Lord Abinzer, and Lord Ashburton. ParIFITZWILLIAM presented numerous petitions Places in Wales against intemperance. THE PUBLIC _MUSEUMS BILL p i r the motion of the Duke of BUCCLEUCH the M useums Bill was r ea d a second time. hZ e „ M arquis Of LANSDOWNE resented a petition ki ollr pf t he 7 bne resbyterians of Lancashire and Cheshire in grant to Maynooth. efte7 BR OUGHAM presented a petition to the same knh_ f rom the corporation of the mystery of Fish cre•—(Laughter.) That body was not only most iisk . le but most hospit a bl e .-- (Great laughter.) 03 1 ha d l landlords i arg n that c e estateountrys in Ireland, and they were the -- .4 . pm:„ C HARITABLE TRUSTS BILL. C oa irns were presented from the Corporation of L oad and several other of the incorporated companies of eh ?n , Prkying for exemption from the operation of the ..11n:Itable Trusts Bill. 400. Earl of WINCHILSEA thonght that he should i ith ..,°°.instic e to his own feelings if he did not bear his ottc oo 3' to the excellent manner in which the funds ro e co mpanies wer e manage d, an d h e t h oug ht th a t t h e _lllP erat could pos s ibl y arise from' exempting them from 1 , 7 2 i0n of' this Bill. of th:37,13e ogle Lord of CLEVELAND w i s h e d to as k a ques ti on Lord on the W oo l sac k, w ith res p ec t t o thi s were alo was t i , k _ ° not generally understood which institutions the ue exempt, and which were to be included under of lrer of this Bill. The severe public schools b e ez en , e "'nary, for in'tance, were they to Chri st - , — E? There was Westmincter, and, still more, bent . t ospital, whi c h was t h e most wea l t h y en d ow - Ever 1 . 1 1 the whole country, and the first amongst them. had b een the 22d or 23d of George 111., this Hospital"n governed by a president, treasul er, and several matt:Ors of its own. No property could have been better jeal e a g c d than theirs, and they naturally felt a little i aff._:"Y at bei ng interfered with—was this school to be rd by the B. 11? e %testi —`Pu.D CHANCELLOR—I will answer the cel when I introduce the Bill. Th e 1 , MAYN 0 0 TH. Prese nt jartluis t.ter of LANSDOWNE a:id Lord I3notionam ceston°piethe petns Lo a r g d ai Onenst the in fa grvourant to Maynooth ; and it, from f Laun- 0 Th e L , r, C ONDEMNED SERMON. tu ritlilinef st it - t t i luls °I . CLANRICARDE took the oppQr tl e to k ng, that since the subject of admitting i then 1 .,: 4 _`'e Present at the condemned sermon hart terri!ualteerbed' he had made inquiries respecting rrs ' and he was happy to say that d the .s C ori were etitirel without blame in the a ml:- of th • y k the day before his etee titip e public to see lloc er kerel x - il l ; It Was the custom, and the Sheriffs had citt?e;c, °il nwed the plan of their predecessors. He must - "I t -", at the same time, say that the practice of all iw ic 1 1 i tic i l : 4ll , gerS to the to observe the deportment . , a hOuld iVidt ill• at very time when his whde energies higl i h. b irn `' drireetycl to obtain spiritual improvement, was I-,,,eip oper. _Lord ll ' ,P 8 .„. 1 - 11 FE OF NOT FINGHA . INI PARK. r --•'-'uGHAM presented a petition, numerously a4ainesNetably signed by the burgesses of Nottingham,. te Pari si : t a ßill for inclosing certain lands within li that th 6f Mary in that town. They complained few r i e lig ,t l l this inclosure might b . e a . ivantage ma for a nti, „., cc this it would be very iniuri ,us to many poor c0 n ,,,,, "no would receive no coaipensation for their '''' )ll r . ht g s. ?rotaThe , N EWFOUNDLAND. 4se NEWFOUNDLAND. NODLE LORD begged to present a petition_ Parka ° cly, not of those ulio looked up to either . House but of ni.nt but from an assembly of inferior station, f roth t he "al jurisdictio n with their Lordships. It was tie b `"e General Astenahly of Newfoundland, and signed,.a s too ,"half I 1 °: the Assembly, by the Spealcer. As itl , v pet i, 9l l2 to read, he would st-ite the heads of . it. Thecolony et t:toners st-ited that theirs was the most ancient . th e " British empire. They had seen with mortification 11.Paekets five piss o n to H alifax with their bags, when they It r 11, our whi hu ndred miles o f sea to return. They hada Iluch WaS fit tor ece i ve t h e w h o l e navy of Britain. hi lt as„°nl.Y 1,80 0 miles f rom h ence to N ew foundland ; )ec, " seemed very odd that the Newfoundland poi„ P , 4 . appeared to think that they should go . to the farthest w er. ": In order to reach the nearest. Bysystem they this es. lion r , „ 4l waYs a week, at least, in arrear with their eo rr rr ear il l s s vttle• Sometimes they wen? a fortnight in most b,„.l4nlier, and a month in winter, which was a a sub ! 12,:0us evil to a mercantile community. 'l seti o vu wid ell he hoped to see their Lord T sh h i i p a s er g a i:e their Lord attention to. finer S TANLEY said he could not r co e m d 404 1 ; in which his Noble a a r nd th L a e t n a tbe subject itself p F la r i i n en o d f bad ItilLt this subject forward, totw e _': al important one; but it would have been more him hotieentent had his Noble and Learned Friend given h °I his intention to introduce it, as he would then 4V e thr, ri c b ied his attention to it. . .. Dst 4 iti - ' ' 3 . 11 ., 0UG HAM—Well, then, I will withdraw the I, r °a ' ; 11 . give you notice. kid Lea STA NLEY did not wish to compel his Noble II god ter.) 11 . Friend to make another speech.—(Laugh there apet toer thearious w that isNoble and Learned Friend must recollect questions to be considered with urest also re coll:e lari°43 post -office arrangements. He for a considerabi t that the harbour of St. John's was . or harbou r oi e lfal t a i ' )ll . re, more of the year inaccessible, while the Was, therefo 1w " open throughout the year.. It lialifax. at have the station Thi s w advantageous to attention a the as not considerati Government, a subject which had escaped the but it was now under their Lord traand it vrould not be neglected. . , was rather prematalli! said that his Noble Friend was Pleasait r his pleasantry. There never .. pl easant ry less rounded in fact. It was the nature of en tertai 7to be founded in fact. Pleasantry was more t w as the n : ll g . 7 11 e it was not founded in fact. That was neither innhe present instance, for the pleasantry was neither lively nor amusing.—(Laughter.) There was lther fact nor joke in his Noble Friend's plea; ; J O. , IL I A h is Noble Friend considered the repor t plea deal Ily!a'iattached to the petition ? There was a et). ye 4 6, i3 l 1.1.12 r ortance in. that most elaborate sepirt, and vie tee Nrohle Friend called it only a little incony tiv, r ;. 'le would ask whether it was only a little In liew i _ lenee for the People of St. John's, Halifax, and fr o% sititllndland to receive their letters one monthlater /t wa: to country during the summer months. th e :i not very likely in his opinion that_ m iles 111,4" I "g% would be carried five hundred .o uno the l iar , , , by sea, and then be brought back again to kliti o "ur, which would be in fact the result if the Nutt n . N% s] S acted on. He thought that conveig_th . e i kk :I,l,eation or iginally -by Newfoundland on to n Hall the iat' ull b e a most difficult operation, on account . of had b een ervention of the sea. He considered his opinio 114 INT v erY much confirmed by what had fallen from lied ()bk Priend in reply. Previously to his speech he b a een fi n i 'l . l 11 , ad Y one side of the question, but now he had ilicib, 4 ' acquainted with both. lie felt very _ much 4rd h . to refer this petition to a Committee o . f th 1 Port to IL's' Uouse ; and he certainly would give Ins sup- 41113 t, TURKEY AND GREECE. arn, q whi is -'44.113r10NT rose to move for certa i n pap .n -ferta,j" he had given notice on Tuesday las t , for 1 %l:" with respect to certain affair s . that h ad re h'4l ' transPired in the east. Certain circumstances t4orlcipetite()l4e7erroeudutri; Greece, since the revolution 1842, had y recently been in n or o e n d ti le ith egce' He wished to h a ve particular informa_ t sent tte l's he had referred to. The present Govern la t f Greer , * sof h. eee had shown an utter disrega rd o f had „ st abil sh ed and the rights of nations. s ,a. t-rn 813 '), - upon the frontiers of Turkey a • 3 .n tslik.:,..-riganda.e which would justify Turkey I "'t th' "sr, or terequire the three Powers to interfe i re Il ui retproteetion of Turkey against those marauders. par= tiesinel°rshics were aware that there were threep t iltit -re fit parh.,.the English, Russian, and French pa r t ie s. i i i elf a./ ,was s upposed - to have its particular cree d. • 1 11. 4 1.. 0 e t z yr the rtiklish party was Mavrocordato, a man But, 4tlfl rt htl , r °Pe placed the greatest confidence. l 'qtorh ur/att 'l, that party was now down at the , very n 1 .1t1 3 ," et the scale of pilitical influence. These o by d 04`letax„was ba the Russian, which was represented ' 6 :le e -3 ' he had so often wavered, that littleconti lartv,waa t ePosed in him. The third party, the French ne li t '", was headed by Colletti, a man who had b 114 4 4 ti ttle a pro minent member of the Pal had at i t Party, who aete I entirely independent, an d httd Party S unk into a Mere state of brigance. Such ItB obi eert the nature of the measure which had for (1 h I I": ? t . th e union of the Greek Church with the the R-a.s, and which had subsequently brought about thi, dvoltai on of September 1843. In the year 18 e, be e oh,„°erurnent, and also that of M. Guizot, expre d s n s o l t ue giv"oh that a constitutional Government shou s l ubse. 4 Utl e ; fr ont that view Russia differed, but (I ' 6 eati the Three Powers coalesced, and b y a coup Nil rul e, Government superseded a barba- Was accede e • At the advice of England and France thi s . he kd, and it was anticipated that an end would and j;``e to the existing feuds; but intrigues supervene d , ad l e ., anoth i4 uto dies present whichte of quoting i. w as st o. ,_, f the patehea from he was ~,1 1V,j)111f174 that any extension of the Greek franchise e The`" a l ” lv e great umbra ge at the Porte, and would b - 'e of • • embarrassment. f or n, a gai great. inconvenience and e , ln. another dispatch —one from Sir Strat that th e o ing to Lord Aberdeen—it was stated and had eo, . Pasha had called upon Were So me o f of this intended alteration. him, These I lte, at ; e of the strongest passages in the correp ass o .._o the whole of the answers wentthe to givet the prte"t7e_that the Porte should be protected. Pat hlih ‘ l u"erotnent had permitted the issue o f various c 4 ' dis Qu e , ts A n p r oclamation s calling upon the Greeks ( llia, ---s t uis question of the enlargement of the fran d - A th : I: e st n io t n o Greeks who did not reside in Greece, an t s'lnbl i n was oven discussed in the House of J , ti le Yto Geece. Comp laints were constantly made "sle of Atabassadors of t he three g•reat Powers of the the kh t i hi ngs to which he had called the attention of t k tlYth.' klarl ( Aberdeen ) 1, t it did not appear tha 7, 1 44 37„ had been en d ' ne u to remedy it. Ile , . out th, '"we'ver that the Noble Earl would carry . stni„ pronlise ~1 , • ,_ I . g a l _ . vv.ice he h a _ hel d . v‘ he ' 441 mad e he would correct one i expression whi ch fitted t e „,°3' a 't e" us e of. He spoke of Greece as n ot ~..... „-un onstitutional Government . ! Th ere we re .1c" "n4l tries Which were at first fitted to hare a ConStitu- Was , °v,lninent, but nevertheless he thought that t are '0 re a ,,,, ~ if due w As t tha t they should not have one, gre et f ?, alter' t they could not abuse it. The three - , - Zia,ttheditwheer!shuuld. have looked over, a nd awntively so t ' Positi proseedtngs of Greece. It was in a differ , ~, aa i n ° ,, rl froin other independent kingdoms. It was ,4"c'tal fluePeudent Power, in the proper sense of the " 11 (1 it, f r y was the creation of the three great Powers, tl( 4 was guaranteed by those Powers. It was an absurdity then to think of their allowing an army of marauders to assemble on the frontiers of Turkey, under the sanction of this newly formsd Go v( rament. What, he would ask, was done by Tetkey under these circumstances ? They bore it patiently. They had trusted to the foreign Powers to interfere, and if they had done so he was satisfied that the disgraceful scenes to which he had adverted would not have oc curred. He would move, therefore, for copies of the correspondence which had passed between the Noble Earl at the head of the Foreign Affairs and Sir S.rat ford Canning and Sir Edward Lyons, relative to the disturbances to which he had alludsd, but he would leave it to the discretion of the Noble Earl how much or how little of that correspondence he would produce. The Earl of ABERDEEN—From the notice of motion given by the Noble Lord who bad sat down, it was not easy for him to know the precise object he had in view, or to give a correct opinion as to the evils to which he referred. But from the speech of the Noble Lord he learned that certain incursions of Greek troops had been recently made upon the frontiers of Turkey. He had no doubt that these exigencies, however to bs deprecated, were as much lamented at Atli its as at Con stantinople, and that the Greek Government had nothicg to do with the lawless acts orthe banditti. The fact had no existence except in the Noble Lord's (Lord Beaumont's) imagination that the Greek Government had sent an army to the frontier. He was not prepared to find fault with the Turkish Government for sending a force on to their frontier, for they had been persecuted by incendiary proclamations, and they could not be blamed for taking measures for their own protection. But the Greeks had no means of preventing the provocation to which the Noble Lord had referred. These publica tions were issued perfectly independent of the Greek Government. The Greek newspapers published the opinions referred to, and the only rsmedy which the nature of things admitted had been an plied, for the Turkish Government had strictly prohibited the circulation of these documents. There was no information, except with respect to that insignificant affair, which was totally unworthy of being laid before the llouse. It was a mere act of robbery on the part of individuals quite unconnected with the Go vernment. The Noble Lord had described at length the various parties into which Greece was now divided. The Noble Lord was, of course, perfectly free to make any comments he thought fit upon that subject ; but he would scarcely expect him (Lord Aberdeen) to follow him in his criticism. His (Lord Aberdeen's) business was, as far as he was able, to preserve friendly relations between this country and foreign nations. If it were true that bad Ministers had been appointed in Greece, that was the misfortune of the country ; but it was a misfortune to which other countries were also liable.— (Laughter.) He did not know how the Noble Lord could expect him (Lord Aberdeen) to advise his Helenic Majesty as to the manner in which he should act with resp .ct to the appointment of his Ministers. The Noble Lord said that the English party in Greece were reduced to the very lowest degree of degradation ; but he (Lord Aberdeen) could assure the Noble Lord that he was mis taken. English influence in Greece really depended on the wealth, integrity, and enterprise of our merchants, and our commercial chitlings with that country. He could assure the Noble Lord that the interests of British subjects would be pro tected, i•e the Minister in Greece whom he might. There wsa no intention on the part of the three Powers to tot , rate any aggression on the part of Greece against the Turkish empire. They, however, did not feel called upon to interfere because a small band of robbers, totally unconnected with the country, had attacked end murdered three or four unfortunate persons. The force which the Turkish Government had sent out had advanced entirely against pamphlets and newspapers. There was no real necessity for it. In conclusion, he could is,ure the Noble Lord that there were newspapers such as those to which heliad referred, which he could produce, and he must decline to hunt for others which might meet the Noble Lord's views. Lord BEAUMONT said a few words in reply, and withdrew his motion. CHARITABLE TRUSTS BILL. The LORD CHANCELLOR then rose to move the second reading of the Charitable Trusts Bill, and to state shortly the nature of the measure. The only pur pose which he had in view at present, was briefly to state the object of the Bill, and to make it distinctly understood by their Lordships. Their Lordships, no doubt, recollected that in the year 1818 a Commission was appointed to inquire into the charitable trusts of England and Wales, and this Commission was con tinued up to 1837. It was but due to the gentlemen who had composed that Commission to say that they had discharged their duties with fidelity, zeal, and ability. They had published thirty-seven volumes of reports, containing a most valuable digest of all the matters con nected with the subject into which the Commission had inquired: Such was the effect of those reports, that their mere publication had tended to correct abuses in a great variety of instances. It had always been be lieved that those reports would be followed by some legislative measure. He believed that some attempts at legislation were made, but they ended in no practical result. He had, therefore, felt it his duty, as one of her Majesty's Government, in connexion with her Majesty's Ministers, to bring forward a Bill for the purpose of • supplying that defect, and he submitted this measure to the consideration of their Lordships' mature deliberation. Their Lordships.were aware that the only tribunal which had jurisdiction with respect to breaches of trust in cases of charity was the. Court of Chancery. Now, he was ready to admit, from the experience that he had had in that Court, that no tribunal was better calculated to do complete justice in cases of charity than the Court to which be had referred. A series of decisions had been come to by men of great eminence, by which had been established a system to perfect, as it appeared to him, for the purpose of doing justice in cases to which the reaehine.ry of that Court was applicable. But, unfortu nately for the constitution of the Court of Chancery, and the nature of that tribunal, it was inapplicable to small charities. In cases where the charity was not more than 201. a year,, the expenses of a suit in Chancery might absorb the whole. Every one knew that the mere entrance into that Court caused the delivery of briefs and references to the Master before a decree or final order could be made. The whole amount of the charity might be absorbed. Sir Samuel Romilly had attempted in S3lllO degree to lessen these expenses. In 1812, he introduced a Bill, the object of which was, as declared in the preamble, to give a more summary jurisdiction in cases of breachallof trust in cha rities. That Bill provided that instead of proceeding by information, the parties should proceed by petition, and that the Chancellor should summarily adjudicate the matter on application. That word " summarily" should not be taken in its ordinary sense, but must be taken accordins , to the glossary of the Court of Chancery. He knew what had been the course of proceeding under that Bill. ' The expenses certainly had been diminished, but a petition had to be presented to the Chancellor, and a copy to be served on the opposite party whose conduct Was called into question. The case came into Court with an array of two or three counsel on each side. It might last two or three days—questions would arise which would have to be referred to the Master—the Master had to report—that report would be returned to the Court of Chancery, and exceptions and objections might be taken to it. Possi ly the report would he con firmed, possibly might be referred back to the Master, and, after all, when a final order had been obtained, an appeal might be made to their Lordships' House. In support of what he had been saying, he would refer to one or two instances—he would take them as they happened. There was a case of a charity at Battle, in Sussex, which was mentioned by Mr. Hyde. The charity was a house, value lat 48/. a year, to let. It was thought desirable to sell the house, and invest the proceeds in the public funds. It was impossible to do that, without an appli cation to the Court of Chancery. The application was made. A bill was filled, and referred, of course, to the Master, to ascertain whether the sale would be benefi cial to the charity. The Master reported in favour of the sale, which took place, and the proceeds were in vested in the funds. What was the cost of those pro ceedings ? As he had said, the value of the property WAS 48/. a year, and the costs of the application amounted to 3001. or six years' incOme of the charity. There were numerous cases of that description. There was the case of a charity in Essex, which realised 601 per annum, and this property was let on lease. Some parties ques tioned the propriety of that lease, and an information was filed for the, purpose of setting it aside. The pro ceedings were commenced in the Court of Chancery and occupied a considerable period of time. At length both parties became tired of litigation, and the result was, , that the information was abandoned on condition that the parties proving the, information should pay their costs. The costs of those proceedings amounted to 6501. It would be seen therefore that in such cases as these the Court of Chancery was ineffectual, and the conse quence was, that many of the charities were entirely lost. There were 13,000 charities in this kingdom whose in dividual amount was less than 51. a year ; there were 18,000 which did not exceed 101. a year ; and there were 21,000 not, exceeding 201. a year. For the control of these the Court of Chancery was wholly inapplicable. In his opiniOn the interposition of that tribunal was in sufficient for any charity under 50/. a year, and there were no less than 25,000 . charities of that nature in the kingdom, over which there was no judicial control, and no practical means of their being preserved to those who by the bounty of others were entitled to them. The principle he recognised in this Bill was that recommended by the Commission appointed under the Lower House to 'eport upon the subject. He proposed to create a tribunal com posed of three Commissioners, invested with a power of adjudication, absolutely summary; that power s ho u ld extend over all charities under 201. a year, although, as he had before observed, in his opinion, 50/. would be the preferable amount. As to the limits of their authority, they should, in the first place, be empowered to call on trustees to render an account of the trust com mitted to their guardianship. Secondly, of appointing new trustees, of effecting sales, of exchanging and granting leases, and, in fact, possessed of all those powers vested in the Court of Chancery. Such should , be their jurisdictien in cases of small charities, unlimited and summary; but Le preposed to extend their powers to other large amounts. They should be authorised to cell on the trustees of such important charities to fur nish returns elucidatory of the nature and due discharge ' of the trust, but with no power to rectify what they might consider an abuse. One part of the Bill related to the directions of municipal eharities. When the municipal '. Bill was passed, it had been apprehended that such ' rights would have been dangerously interfered with. Corporate bodies were then invested with the trust p?o tempore, and, on the non 'interposition of Parliament, ' trustees were selected ; and, but for the expense attend ing it, no better course could be adopted. But when he ' remembered that in the case of the Shrewsbury trust 5501. was paid out of the charity for the appointment of trustees, in the Salisbury charity 4081., in the Exeter ' 6001, and in the Hereford 7501., solely as tax costs for supplying the vacancies of trustees, he did think that a ' measure was imperatively called for to rectify the abuse, especially when two or three persons, in as many hours, .• could settle the subject, without all that intricacy of Trip, 81 - TN - , LONDON, FRIDAY MORNING, MAY 23, 1845. trachinery and consequent expense—(Haar, hear.) The Commissioners would hold their office contingent on their good behaviour ; they would. on appointment, take an oath of the due discharge of their duties, and, in fact, would hold their Office by the same tenure as the judges. Wholly - independent of the Crown they would be less.open to political suspi cion. The Masters in Chancery at present performed these duties. but they were appointed by *be Minister of the Crown, by whom their decisions could to set aside. Undue influence was much more likely, therefore, to he suspected, he did not say justly, under the present than the proposed system. The first appointment he proposed to leave to the decision of the Committee on the Bill : be should, when it was in that stage, same individuals for the post, and it would be for the House to sanction and adopt their nomination. As to the means by which this new-creatcd tribunal was to be paid, three modes sug gested themselves to his mind, either, first, that the ne eessary sum should be taken out of the Consolidated Fund, or, secondly, out of a small per tentage on the charities, or, thirdly, by a union of those two methods. For himself, he was inclined to suggest that one per cent. should be levied on, the charities, and if that (contrary to his anticipations) were not f iund sufficient, the renihintler should be taken out of the ConsoLdated Fund. However, as that must depend on the will and pleasure of the House below, he would net dwell upon it then. The principle of the Bill was to supply the last defec's :n the administration of justice as regarded smell eharitii s. Other propositions had been engrafted in the Bill, all tending to a saving of enormous expense, and the remedy of palpable abuses.—(Hear, hear.) • Lard BROUGHAM did not rise to make any length ened observations on the measure so ably introduced by his Learned Friend en the Wrolssck ; but having an experience of thirty years in the entire subject, in all its bearings and its most minute details, lie had had occesion to see the working of "the pre sent and the importance of the proposed system. The manner in which he intended to appoint the trus tees would remove any supposition that dime would be a wrong appropriation of .the funds, and a fair distribu tion of the funds would result to all the charitable insti tutions of the country. He would agree with ha Noble Friend as regarded the general principles of the measure he had brought ferward, but he believed that the Court of Chancery was not the best constituted authority for removing abuses -in small charities, as it was ridiculous to suppose that 200/. or 3001. could be spent in regulating the proper distribution of charities of as amount not ex ceeding 10/. per annum. The Bill provided for the re newel of trustees when the trusteeships were vacant, and that was a most important point. For often great diffi culties arose from the vacancy of that responsible office.—(Hear, hear.) No respectable parties would have any objection to a full inquiry into the receipts and disbursements of the charities the funds of which they distributed. It was inconsistent with the possibility of belief that there could be any thing wrong in the management of those funds, when those who held them courted inspection and the fullest inquiry. He thought that these inquiries, under such circumstances, should not be made ; for they resulted, more frequently than not, merely from the desire of gra tifying an idle curiosity. It was for Noble Lords to consider, first, the constitution of the tribunal, and then the expense of it.' The constitution of the tribunal was all in all, and his Noble and Learned Friend had stated his opinion on this head in a most lucid manner. He had, however, some doubts about the conveyance of trusts in a similar manner to that adopted in the management of corporations. The appointment of such a tribunal as that suggested by his Noble and Learned Friend did not coincide altoge ther with his opinion. It would not do to bring the su pervision of the appointment of trustees immediately lindei• the authority of Masters in Chancery. One rea son for giving them those powers was stated to be, that from the nature of the high offices they held in the judi cial administration they were not exposed to any poli tical influences, but he considered that they might be liable to be biassed in their selections in an indirect manner. Much, in his opinion, remained to be ar ranged as to the constitution of the trustees. The mea sure generally met with his entire approbation, and when some few alterations which he had suggested should have been made, he had no doubt it would prove a most salutary one. He would, therefore, with great satisrac time give his support t 3 the second reading of the Bill, reserving however to himself the right of opposing the details at a future period. He should like very much to refer the Bill to a Select Committee to be appointed by their Lordships to arrange the executive' part of the measure, as he thought it was most important that this should be attended to. Lord COTTENIIAM said he thought the suggestions of his Noble and Learned Friend should be acted on. Lord LYNDIIURST observed that ho would take care that those suggestions were not lost sight of; and that they should meet with every atten'ion. Lord COTTENIIAM continued to say that Masters were at present appointed by the Court of Chancery, and he thought that they should continue to be ap- pointed by it. In municipal charities trustees in many instances hai been neglected to be appointed, and it was only when the charities had been brought into the Chancery Court that they had been appointed. In the present Bill the Court had not been given pnwer to ap point trustees, and, therefore, he could not permit the Bill to pass. The jurisdiction of the Court of Chancery extended to municipal charities .of all amounts, and it. would be for the consideration of Parliament to decide whether it was advisable to restrict their power. Lord ASHBURTON stated that he wished that the petitions for alt.3rationS in the administration of charities that had been presented might be referred to the Committee. Lord LYNDFIURST said they would be so referred, and that alterations provided for in this Bill had been intended for all charities, both large and small. Lord CAMPBELL said, he should protest against the power of the proposed Commissioners on the appoint ment of trustees in Municipal Charities. It was a sub ject of the greatest importance to the individuals who participated in those charities. The present source for apnointieg Commissioners rested with the Lord Chan cellor, and he would call in the assistance of one of the Masters in Chancery to make the selection, subject to the Lord Chancellor's approval. The only objection that had been made to this coarse had been the expense, and this was a serious objection. The three Commissioners contemplated to be appointed were by the Secretary of State. In the first instance they were to be named in the Bill and then they were to be appointed by the Se cretary of State. Now there were three Secretaries of State—one for the Home Department, another for the Foreign Department, and a third for the Colon'es, who were all in a capacity to act one for the other, and pere invested with equal powers. Any on of them might ' appoint any person he pleased, without responsibility, to be one of the Commissioners. The Commissioners, according to the provisions of the Bill,lnight go down to Liverpool or Warwick, or any other town, and appoint all the trustees as they might think fit. They might nominate them from the Tory side or from the Liberal side, giving a preponderance to one or the other, as the motive might be. The LORD CHANCELLOW:They , have no power to remove trustees, but to supply vacancies. Lord CAMPBELL differed from his Noble and Learned Friend. It gave them absolute power to add to the number of trustees, so as to swamp the Tories on the one side, or vice versa. It was said that the Com missioners were sworn to exercise their duties honestly, and would be above doing a political job ; but could they have the same authority as that belonging to the Lord High Chancellors& England or the Masters of Chancery? Could they have thesame deference shown towards them, or the same amount of cptifidence, that those high officers of the Crown possessed? He should strenuously oppose this part of the Bill, and if a Member of the Committee, he should move the omission of those clauses ; and if that were not successful, he should use his best efforts against it on the third reading. He thought the Bill contained many salutary provisons, and he admitted that some good tribunal was required to take cogniz ince of such charities as those referred to, hut he objected to the introduction of such a principle into the Bill as that trustees might be reduced or increased at the will of the Commissioners. The LORD CHANCELLOR explained that the ap pointments would not rest with the Secretary of State, but with the Lord Chancellor, and that care would be taken that none should be appointed as Commissioners but those of the highest standing. Lord ABINGER made a few observations in reference to the appointments made under Lord Cottenham, and to the effect that the appointments under the Crown should be above all suspicion. Lord COTTENII AAI defended the appointments made under him when Lord Chancellor. After a few words in explanation from Lord ABINGER, which were inaudible in the gallery, the Bill was read a second time. Their Lordships immediately afterwards adjourned, at a Quarter past Eight o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS, May 22. At Four o'clock, there not being 40 Members present ; the House adjourned. ['rho following is a fuller report of the conclusion of Wednesday night's debate, than we had time or space to give in yesterday's Morning Edition :—] Lord J. RUSSELL—Sir, as I have addressed the House on former occasions upon this subject, there are but few ob servations which I wish now to offer to it. They are rather observations referring to the part I have taken on th:s subject, and to the present state of Ireland, than to the immediate con duct of the Government. I wish, in the first place, to address a large body, who have not been much represented in this House, whose sentiments I have heard very little of in the course of these debates, but whose opinions I am accustomed highly to value, and who I am sure have come to their conclu sions from conscientious convictions; I allude to the large body of the Protestant D.ssenters of England. I find that they, dif fering very much from many who oppose this measure on the other side of the House, say that they are quite ready to do justice to Ireland, but that that justice ought to be done in another manner.—( Hear, hear.) They say, " Grant every franchise which Ireland can claim to put her on an equality with Engla nd , but d o no t d o any fa vour to Romanism ; if the Established Church be objected to, reduce the power of that Church, but do not give that power into the hands of the Roman Catholics." Now, I am not going to dispute as to the preference of one over the other. For my own part, the view which I took of the state of Ireland many years ago was rather in accordance with their view than with the tendency of the measure now before the House ; but in proposing our measures we met with opposition so strong, no t on l y i n t hi s and the other House , but likewi e (I must admit) in the country, that many of those measures were retarded for years; and with respect to one of the principal—proposing to reduce the revenues of the Established Church of Ireland—we entirely failed, and were obliged to propose a Tithe Bill without that proposition.—( Hear, bear.) If we had taken the course re commended by the gentlemen to whom I now refer, let them consider what would have been the result. We should have been successful, I have no doabt, if we had joined the Hon. Gentlemen opposite, in defeating this measure on its first in troduction, or on the second reading; but should we have ob tained that which the parties referred to say is required by justice to Ireland? Should we hoe obtained measures for the reduction of the present Church Establishment in Ire land ? Would those who should urge such a measure then have Leen aided by those who assist them in opposing the grant to Maynooth ? It is evident, not only by what pae sett four years ago, but by what has passed this sear, by what has passed on the motion of the lion. Member fur Shef field ( Mr. Ward), that we should have been utterly defeated in that attempt, and that while the Maynooth grant would have been lest, we should have been entirely unable to carry any tneasuie tending to remedy the inequality existing in Ireland. —( Cheers.) Why, then, what was my duty ? Seeing that I could not carry the measure which lehought the best and most favourable to the freedom of Leland, when I saw any measure of a different kind, proposing not to reduce the Pra to t s i t , a r n o y t o C c h e u a r o c m h e , t b h u i t n t g o elevate r t e h g ra nal a i t ty h — o Cl i t e r a C s h i t t i r notch , a m n y d ( t i h n e t y r b i y f I wished far the welfare of Ireland, to give any best support to that measure, from whatever Ministry it might come, and whatever might be the tendency of my vote with respect to the party who might remain in power?—(Loud cheers. t But I cannot refer to this subject without taking some no tice of a speech made in this House by the Noble Lord the Member for South Staffordshire (Lord Ingestre), who said very plainly—and I give him credit for his frankness—that although this was not the measure against which he voted in nipusing the appropriation clause—although it takes nothing from the Protestant Church of Ireland, yet if this measure (which he will now support) had been proposed by the late Government, he w u'd have voted against it.—(Cheers.) I am one of those who will stand up for the advantaees of party. I think party spirit a most useful thing, that it tends to make men zealous on behalf of great principles, and to bring them into fellowship for great purposes, and has enablel men, by bringing their different talents and capacities into one concen trated effort, to carry most excellent m asures, which would otherwise have fai'ed—(llear)—but yet party has disadvan tages belonging to it ; it very often insp . res a blindness and a Ltsrd i f s rom a n party—( Cheers) C o h f betereess in those who b e l ong to party ; an d wh:le the Noble disadvantages.—( newed c e a e l r l a t ) he advantages which are to be de rivedinstance. remember some y e ars ago, what I thought a — he l e t r h s. ii ) ak h i e int is th a is pr is oo n f o al t s t o he of fir i st its most remarkable and most melancholy case of party heat, at a dinner in Staffordshire, one of those assemblies which then met for the purpose of abusing the Government of the day. when the murder of Lord Norbary was made an instrument of party warfare, and its announcement was received with cheers. as if it was the means of attacking the Government for being wanting in the energy with whit;h justice ought to have been administered in Ireland. Sir, lam happy that I belong to a party which does not use such weapons.—( Loud cheers.) 13ut the Right lion. Baronet (Sir R. Peel) has alluded to the present state of the Government and of Ireland. The Right Hon. Baronet has said, that such was the sate of Ire land in 1843 that the ordinary resource of law, which must be executed by trial by jury, would not be an efficient instrument for the purposes of the Government of Ireland. That, I have nn doubt, was a true confession ; but, at the same time, it is a very sad, I might say a humiliating, confession, for any Go• vernment to make.—(Cheers.) It shows a disposition in the people of that country not to convict even in cases where it is to be supposed that the law is in favour of the Executive Go vernment; it shows a disposition such as has not existed in this country, I believe (with the exception solely of the years 1794 and 1795), since the Revolution of 16814. ' it shown an alienation of the people of Ireland from the whole system of your Government.—( Hear.) I hope that disease may cured, that we may now be on our way to better times; but there must be other measures—(Cheers) —recourse must be had to a further policy—l don't know that I should say of conciliation—l don't want to use the word— but of justice towardelreland. Nor must we any more hear that old cry of " Oh, how ungrateful the Irish are? —( Cheers.) We give this grant to Maynooth, and yet they are not thankful." This has been the continual parrot cry ever since you first relinquished the atrocious penal laws. You said, " Only think of these Catholics—we have allowed them to educate their own children, and yet they are not grate ful. We have allowed them to have priests spo W rl e ing h:tve permitt e d th em t o ride orimpri o so f n t i h n e g ir th o r w m n , c andhil dyeretnt,h ereyi are o u t n ot fining, grate t f r o a l n . horses, which may be of the value of 1501., and yet they are not grateful for the indulgence. We have allowed them to go to mass, and yet they are not grateful. We have allowed them even to inherit landed property, and yet this barbarous and savage nation will not be grateful,they and dll hear," from flenfedrm there Mr. other things." To be sure, Sir , they ask for har other er things, ro and t s h h e e y io w_ill un a t sk d for other sp oth r e e rt e h n in t gs—( , to England is a perfect and just equality.—( Loud (-beers.) Anil then when you can say that there is perfect and just equality I shall fear nothing from this cry for a repeal of the union, formidable and powerful as it is, among great masses of the people of Ireland at the present moment.— ( Cheers. )• I think we should then bring the ad vocates of repeal to fair argument on that question. I would put before them an assembly meeting in Dublin, with an Irish House of Lords, such as th e Ir ish House of Lords would be then constituted—a democratic assembly in Ireland, first quar relling with that House of Lords, and breaking it to pieces, as they would naturally do—next inflicting fines on absentees— next quarrelling with the English, because the manufactures of England were sent to Ireland, and endeavouring to get up manufactures of their own, in a spirit of jealous manufacturing rivalry—then proceeding in a spirit of enmity towards those who hold property in Ireland who did not agree with the majo rity ; and in that manner forcing on, before a very long time, a quarrel with this country. Then would be a quarrel not for repeal—trot far having taco Legislatures—but a quarrel as to whether England and Ireland should be united under the same crown. The independence of Ireland might turn out to be the dream of some young enthu iatie, and I will not deny some patriotic, men in Ireland, but the idea of Ire land existing as an independent country would be found the shallowest dream that ever occupied a fantastic brain.— (Cheers.) It would be found that the enemies of England would make Ireland the battle-field with foreign countries. What, then, I ask, would be the situation of Ireland? What then would hecome of her now advancing commerce, of her now impressing agriculture? What would become of those rights which she has in common with Englishmen—rights which we so dearly value, and which have been extended to us? Why, Sir, all would be lost ! All would perish in that conflict—England would be weakened.—( Hear.) But that England wou!d be conquered by Ireland is a supposition 1 do not imagine any Hon. Gentlemen indulge in. —(Hear, and a laugh.) England would be a sufferer, but Ireland would be a ten times worse sufferer.—(Hear, hear.) She would be made the subject of some other foreign power, with her com merce and agriculture torn to pieces—with her religious dis tinctions made more bitter than ever, and with all hope of her proceeding quietly and tranquilly in a state of prosperity and freedom utterly and entirely lost.—(Hear, hear.) But before I can hope to put that argument with any effect, before I can argue it in detail, before I can make it a matter on which I can expect Irishmen to listen coolly to reason, I think I am bound on every occasion, and in every way to show that if there is any privilege which Englishmen enjoy and Irish men wish to have, we are ready to grant it.—( Hear, hear. ) Whatever may have been the former proceedings of this country, whatever indifference I may admit that England has displayed towards Ireland in former times, I am prepared to say that there is a great change of opinion and of feeling with regard to Ireland._( Hear, hear.) There may be a difference as to what should be done, but there is a desire to de some thing for Ireland. Why, then, if such be the desire, am I net bound to say to the Government do not stop short here.— ( Hear, hear.) Do not be satisfied with this measure.—( Hear, hear.) But be satisfied with this—that you have seen in this measure that it is not party difference that will make men oppose Sou when you bring forward a measure which is bene tfihceiasel w to he l h re a l v a e nd l . e — st (H pe e w e e r, r hear .) That , repossess office.—( a t,whatever obstacles you meet with, it will not be from an anxiety on the p art of Hear, laear.) That you may expect a majority of this House to go w i th y o u if you will fairly and boldly declare your intentions , and rely , as the Right Hon. Gentleman declares he will rely, upon the value of those measures themselves, for the support and acceptance that they will receive.—(Hear, hear.) 1 will not say that there are not gre at difficulties in the way ; I will not conceal, th a t I t hi n k those difficulties have been im mensely increased by the course pursued its past years ; but I and ooo oo t the e meetingonl y waydo say that, whatev er may b e those difficulties, we shall not lessen them by shutti ng our e yes to their greatness and im portance,and without flinching, and to rely un Providence for the theta, becoming the character of : is to meet them steadily m this great y that tr issue.—( Great cheering.) had cast a most unjust aspersion on his own p art y , in sa y in g tha Nr tlth. e G y . h P a A d Lwf:tlhEdrßacj:mtphlaeiinred that the Right Hon. Baronet support from him, and that it advice. The Right H on . B a ronet had withdraws from his pwaerstyto;ohme had d h b f r o e r k t e h n e a m ll t t o he expect that he should ask their pledges which he a h n ad m g e i s v t en ha o v n e taking office. Sir R. PEEL said th a t thellon. G greatly misunderstood the expressions which bad fallen from him. He was sure that he had done ample justice to those gentlemen who had differed with him upon that question ; and he had said that he was convinced that they differed with him from conscientious feelings. But when he had been charged were— justified in saying that he would not subserviency to the wishes the servile tenure of an unqualified with being a traitor to his party, he di n d o t n h s i o n n k t h to im h s o e l l d f o p ffi er a fe e ct o l n y The House then divided, and the of any portion of his supporters. — ( 317 For the motion ...... ....... 184 Majority in favour of the DUNT"OMBE then rose to propose the following Mr. T. a C no h m ee h r e s. r i notice:—" And be it enacted motion, of which lie had given Against it ........................ ° third reading —133 that the powers and provisions of this Act shall not continue and be in frame longer than the I st day of Augu s t , 1848, and from thence to the end of the t hen next session of Parliament." h Taking the present state of p ublic feelin g into consideration, did not think that this wa s at all an unreasonable proposi tion. There had been petitions presented against this measure i which were signed by a bout 1,300,000, and onl y 60 p etitions favour of it, which were si g ned b y about 16,000 p ersons. When he saw what he might say was the unanimous feeling of the country on one side, and the opinion of the House on the other, he felt that he.had a strong right to ask for the limita tion of the Bill. He believed that if this clause were adopted it would act in the shape of a message of peace to many of the Sir R. PEEL said that he was desirous that the debate should be ternlactated that night, and if the Hon. Member per sisted in his motion it would be necessary to press the House to a division. There were many cases in which sums had been s rd e er e e v d ils to c° w m it p h la d i r n a e w d:of an it d at-hoeulducooumse voted in perpetuity, and this, therefore, would form no excep tion. He objected to the insertion of this clause, because constituencies of this country. pletely neutralise the good effects which were intended to be produced by it. Strangers were appeared-- divided, when there For the motion .......................145 Against it while it removed notthieenofe ... 243 Aiajortty againt the motion --98 The motion was consequently lost. The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and the Half-past Two o' c l oc k . House adjourned at al Highness Prince Albert has purchased No. 9, 9 s. G d . . mr.hlti.sJß. 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The House MAJORITY-AYES, 317. Acheson, Viscount Ferguson, Sir R. A. O'Connell, M. J. Acland, Sir T. D. Fitztuaurice, W. O'Conor Don Acland, T. D. Fitzroy, Henry O'Ferrail, R. M. A'Court, Captain Fitzwirliam, G. W. Ord, William Adare, Viscount • Fleetwood, Sir P. Ossulston, Lord Adderley, C. B. Flower, Sir James Oswald, Alexander Ainsworth, Peter Forster, Matthew Oswald, James Aidam, William Fox, C. R. Owen, Cr John Anson, Colonel Fremantle, Sir T. Paget, Colo;.el Archbold, Robert French, F. Pakington, J. S. Arundel, Earl Gardner, J. D. Palmerston, Viscount Bagot, William Gaskell, J. M. Parker, Joint Baillie, Colonel Gibson, T. M. Patten, J. W. Raine, '% alter Gill, Thomas Peel, Sir Robert Baird, William Gladstone, W. E. Peel, Jonathan Barclay, David Gladstone, Captain Pendarves, E. W. Ilarkly, Henry Gly nue, Sir S. Pennant, Colonel Raring, F. T. Godssn, Richard Philips, (1. It. Baring, Thomas Gordon, Captain Philips, Mark Baring, W. B. Core, Montague Phillpotts; John Barnard, E. G. Gore, Itobert Pigot, David Barrington, Viscount Goulbunt, Henry Pigot, Sir R. Barron, Sir 11. Graham, 161 r J. Power, James Bell, Matthew Granby, Marquis Praed, W. T. Bell, John Granger, T. C. Pusey, Philip Bellew, It. M. Greene, Thomas Rawdon, Coi. Itentinek, Lord G. Grey, Sir George Redington, T. N. Blackburne, J. I. Guest, Sir J. Reid, Sir John Blake, Sir V. Hale, It. B. Repton, 0. \V. J. Blakemore, Richard Haltbrd, Sir H. Rice, E. R. Bodkin, W. 11. Hall, Sir B. Roche, E. B. Bolder°, H. G. Hamilton, W. J. Roebuck, J. A. . Borthwick, Peter Hamidon, Lord C. Ross, D. It. Bottleld, lleriah Harcourt, G. G. Round, John Bowes, John Hatton, Captain lions, Captain Bowles, Admiral Hawes, Benjamin Rumbold, C. E. Bowring„Dr. Hayter, W. G. • Russell, Lord J. Bramston, T. W. Ileneage, G. 11. W. Russell, Lord E. Browne, W. Heneage, Edward Russell, Charles Brownrig4g, J. S. Henniker, Lord Sandon, Viscount Bruce, Lord E. Herbert, Sidney Seymour, Lord ' Bulkeley, Sir R. Heron, Sir Robert Seymour, Sir 11. Buller, Charles Hervey, Lord A. Sheil, R. L. Buller, Edward Hinde, John H. Shelburne, Earl Butler, P. S. Hobhouse, Sir J. Smith, Benjamin "Virg, George Heir, J W ' Smith, Vernon Holland,Byng, G. S. Robert Smith, T. B. C. Cardwell, Edward Holmes, W. A'Court Smythe, George Carew, R. S. Hope, Charles Somers, J. P. Carew, W. H. P. Hope, G. W. Somerset, Lord 0. Castlereagh,Viscount Horsman. Edward Somerville, Sir W. Cavendish, C. C. Howard, C. W. Somes, Joseph Cavendish, 0. 11. Howard, E. G. Standish, Charles Chapman, B. Howard, Philip H. Stansfleld, W. R. C. Chelsea, Viscount Howard, Sir R. Stanton, W. U. Childers, J. W. Hume, Joseph Staunton, Sir G. Cholmondeley, H. Hutt, William Stewart, Joint Clay, Sir IV. lagestrie, Viscount Stuart, Lord J. Clayton, R. It. James, William Stuart, W. V. Clements, Viscount James, Sir W. C. Strutt, Edward Clerk, Sir George Jermyn, Earl Sutton, Henry Clifton, John T. Jocelyn, Viscount Tattered, H. W. Clive, Viscount Johnstone, Sir J. Tennent, J. E. Clive, R. H. Kelly, Fitzroy Thesiger, Sir F. Cobden, R. Labouchere, Henry Tollemache, F. J. Cockburn, Sir G. Lambton, It. Tomline, George Colborne, W. R. Lascelles, W. S. Towneley, John Colobrooke, Sir T. Layard, Captain Traill, Geor.;e Collett, John - Leader, J. T. Trelawny; J. S. Collins, William Legh, G. C. Trench, Sir F. W. Coote, Sir C. H. Lemon, Sir C. Trevor, G. R. Corbally, Matthew E. Lennox, Lord A. Tuite, H. M. Corry, Henry Leveson, Lord Vane, Lord H. Courtenay, Lord Liddell, H. T. Vernon, G. H. Cowper, W. F. Lincoln, Earl Villiers, Charles Craig, W. G. Lindsay, Hugh Villiers, Viscount Cripps, William Listowel, Earl Walker, Richard Mammy, Lord Loch, James Wall, C. B. Hamer, Colonel Macaulay, T. B. Walsh, Sir J. B. Dallies, D. A. S. Mackenzie, W. F. Warburton, H. Ditlfson, T. V. Mackinnon, W. J. Ward, H. G. Denison, W. J. Macnamara, Major Watson, W. H. Denison, John E. M'Geachy, F. A. Wawn, J. T. Dennistoun, John INPNeM, Duncan Wellesley, Lord C. D'Eyneourt, C. T. Mahon, Viscount Wemyss, Captain Dickinson, F. H. Mangles, R. D. Westenra, J. Divett, Edw•rd Manners, Lord C. S. White, Samuel Dodd, George Manners, Lord J. Whitmore, T. C. Douglas, Sir C. Marshall, William Wilde, Sir T. Douro, Marquis Martin, John Williams, William Drummond, H. IL Martin, C. W. Wilshere, W. Duncan, Viscount Martin, T. B. Winnington, Sir T. Duncannon, Viscount Matheson, James Wodelicuse, Edmond Dundas, Frederick Milnes, IL. M. Wood, Charles Dundas, David Mitealfe, Henry 'Wood, Colonel T. East, J. B. Mitchell, T. A. Worsley, Lord Easthope, Sir J. Mordaunt, Sir J. Wortley, Johu S. Eastuor, Viscount Morison, General Wrightson, W. B. Ebrington, Viscount Murphy, F. S. Wynn, C. W. W. Ellice, Rt. Hon. E. Murray, Alexander Wynn, Sir W. Elphinstone, H. Napier, Sir C. Wyse, Thomas Emlyn, Viscount Neville, Ralph Yorke, E. T. Escott, Bickham Newport, Viscount Yorke, 11. It. Esmonde, Sir T. N 1 c boll, John Estcourt, T. G. B. Norreys, Lord TELLERS. Etwall, Ralph Norreys, Sir D. J. Young, John Ferguson, Colonel O'Brien, J. Baring, Henry MINORITY—NOES,. 184. Ackers, James Eaton, R. J. Maunsell, T. P. Acton, Colonel Egerton, W. T. Maxwell, J. P. Alexander, Nathaniel Egerton, Sir P. Miles, P. W. S. Allix, 3. P. Entwisle, William Morgan, Charles Antrobus, Edmund Ewart, William Morris, David Arbuthnott, 11. Farnham, t.:. B. Mundy, E. M. A rehdall, Captain Fel'den, W. 3luntz, G. E. Arkwright,' George Etchlen, John Neeld, Joseph Ashley, Lord Fe llowes, Edward Nee ld, John Astell, William Ferrand, W. B. Newdegate, C. N Austen, Colonel }littler, Sir E. Newry, Viscount Bailey, J , jun. Fitzroy, Lord C. Northland, Viscount Bannerman, A. Ffolliott, John O'Brien, A. S. Bateson, Thomas Forbes, William Packe, C. W. Beckett, William Forman, T. S. Palmer, Robert Beresford, Major Fox, S. L. Palmer, George Berkeley, Craven Fuller, A. E. Fait!sou, James Bernard, Viscount Gore, W. 0. Peelle'', Captain Blackstone, W. S. Gore, W. R. 0. Philipps, Sir It. B. Blewitt, It. J. Goring, Charles Plumptre, J.:P. , Bouverle, E. P. Greenall, Peter Polhill, Frederick Boyd. John Gregory, W. H. Pollington, Viscount Bradshaw, J. Grimsditch, T. Powell, Colonel Bright, John Grogan, Edward Price, Richard Brisco, M. Ilallyburton, Lord Protheroc, Edward Broadley, 11. Hamilton, J. H. Basilic gli, W. Brocklehurst, J. Hamilton, G. A. Rendiesham, Lord B rothorton, J. II ampden, Resin Richards, Richard Bruce, C. L. C. Hamner, Sir J. Rolleston, Colonel Bruen, Colonel Harris, Captain Round, C. G. Bruges, W. H. Ilastie, Archibald Rushbrooke, Col. Buck, L. W. lleathcoat, John Ryder, G. I). Buckley, Edmund Henley, J. W. - Shaw, Frederick Buller, Sir J. Y. Hill, Lord M. Shirley, E. J. Burrell, Sir C. Hindley, Charles Shirley, E. P. Burroughs, H. N. Horuby, John Sibthorp, Colonel Campbell, J. H. Hughes, W. B. Smith, Abel Chapman, Aaron Humphery, Alderman Smyth, Sir H. Chetwode, Sir J. Hussey, Ambrose Speoner, Richard Christopher, R. A. Hussey, Thomas Spry, Sir S. T. Codrington, Sir W. Jervis, John Stanley, Edward Cole, H. A. Johnson, General Stewart, P. 31. Colquhoun, J. C. Johnstone, Hope Stuart, Henry Colvile, C. R. Jolliffe, Sir W. Taylor, Edward Compton, H. C. Jones, Captain Taylor, J. A. Connolly, Colonel Kemble, Henry Thompson, Alderman Copeland, Alderman Kirk, Peter Tollemache, John Crawford, W. S. Knight, F. W. Tower, Christopher Curteis, H. B. Knightley, Sir C. Trollope, Sir J. Darby, George Law, C. E. Troubridge, Sir E. Dawnay, W. H. Lawson, Andrew Turn,x, Edmund Deedes, William Lefroy, Anthony Tumor, Christopher Denison, E. B. Leslie, C. P. Tyrrell, Sir J. T. Dick, Quintin Loftus, Viscount Verner, Colonel D'lsracli, B. Lopes, Sir R. Vyv% an, Sir R. Douglas, Sir H. Lowther, Sir J. H. Waddington, K. S. Douglas, J. D. S. Lowther, Colonel Wakley, Thomas Duke, Sir J. Mackenzie, T. Welby, G. E. Duncan, George Maclean, Donald Duncombe, Thomas M'Taggart, Sir J. TELLERS. Duneornbe, 0. Mainwarleg, T. Inglis, Sir R. H, Dundas, Admiral Marton, George Bankes, George Du Pre, C. G. Masterman, John PARLIAMENTARY BUSINESS. WEDNESDAY, MAY 21. RAILWAYS. • Select Committee on Group K. Mr. Colquhoun and the Hon. James Howard, discharged from attendance on the Committee. Viscount Sandon (Liverpool), Mr. Ricardo (Stoke-upon-Trent), selected, and added to the Committee; Viscount Sandon ap pointed chairman. Select Committee on Group 88. Viscount Sandon and Mr. Ricardo, discharged from attend ance on the Committee. Mr. Colquhoun (Newcastle-under -Lyme), The Hon. James Howard (Malmesbury), selected and added to the Committee ; Mr. Colquhoun ap pointed chairman. Select Committee on Group A. Sir Arthur Brooke discharged from attendance on the Committee. Sir R. Philipps (llaverfordwest), selected, and added to the Committee. The Committee of Selection have referred the Group Y., comprising the Sheffield and Rotherham Railway Bill, and the' Group XX., comprising the Taw Vale Railway Bill, to the Select Committee on the Group CC. ; and the Select Committee is postponed from Thursday 29th till Friday, May 30. The Select Committee on Group NN. is postponed from Thursday 29th till Friday, May 30, at One o'clock. The Committee of Selection have nominated the following Committees on Railway Groups : A Committee of 1. Mr. Beckett (Leeds),—Chairman, 2. Mr. Edward Buller (Stafford), 3. Mr. Childers (Mahon), 4. Mr. G. R. Philips (Poole), 5. General Johnson (Oldham), to whom they have referred the Bills and projects comprised in group P., viz. South Wales Railway, Monmouth and Hereford Railway, Monmouthshire Railway, Gloucester and Dean Forest Railway, Newport and Ponty Pool Railway, Taff 'Vale Railway, and Aberdare Railway. A Committee of 1. Mr. Henley (Oxfordshire)—Chairman, 2. Mr. Burroughes (East Norfolk), 3. Mr. Heathcoat (Tiverton), 4. Sir Stephen Glynne (Flintshire), 5. Marquis of Granby (Stamford), to whom they have referred the Bills and projects comprised in Group AA., viz.:— Great Southern and Western Railway (Ireland), Great Southern and Western Railway (Direct Cork and Limerick), and Waterford and Limerick Railway. The Select Committee will meet on Monday, June 2, at Twelve o'clock. A Committee of 1. Mr. Evans (North Derbyshire)—Chairman, 2. Mr. Philip S. Miles (Bristol), 3. Mr. Newdegate (North Warwickshire), 4. Viscount Grimston (Hertfordshire), 5. Sir John Owen (Pembroke), to whom they have referred the Bills and projects com prised in group GG., viz.:— Glasgow Junction Railway, Glasgow, Barrhead, and IS eils ton Railway, Greenock Branch Railway, Ayrshire Branches (Glasgow, Paisley, Kilmarnock, and Ayr), Glasgow Harbour Union Railway, Gla-gow, Dumbarton, and Lochlomond Railway, Glasgow, Garnkirk. and Coatbridge Railway, Monkland and Kirkintilloch Railway. The Select Committee will meet on Tuesday, June 3, at Twelve o'clock. And a Committee of • I. Mr. William Miles (East Somerset;—Chairman, 2. Lord John Manners (Newark), 3. Sir Thomas Esmonde (Wexford county), 4. Sir John Trollope (Lincolnshire), 5. Mr. Edward Heneage (Great Grimsby), to whom they have referred the Bills and projects corn. prised in group LL., viz : London and South Western Metropolitan Railway, London and South Western Railway (No. 2), Richmond (Surrey) Railway, Staines and RiChmcnd Railway, London and Brighton Railway (Wandsworth Branch), London and South Western (Epsom Branch) Railway. The Select Committee will meet on Tuesday, June 3, at half. past twelve o'clock. The following Bills are appointed to go into Committee on Thursday, May 29, at twelve o'clock : Birmingham and Gloucester Railway (Gloucester Extensions, Stoke Branch, and Midland Railways Junction), Londonderry and Enniskillen Railway, Londonderry and Coleraine Railway, London and Norwich Direct Railway, London, Worcester, and South StaffUrdshire Railway (Dudley and Sedgley Brand), London, Worcester, and South Staffordshire Railway (Ex tension from Dudley to Wolverhampton), Graveiend and Rochester Railway. The Committee of Selection have appointed the Select mittecs on the several Groups MM., QQ., PP., RU., and Z., and the Select Committees on the Groups TT., VV., WW., and the Eastern Union Railway Act Amendment Bill, to meet in the week commencing Monday, the 9th of June. The for _cie following Bills were reported, and the report referred o the Select Committee on Standing Orders:— Newport-and Ponty Pool Railway. Preston and Wyre Railway Branches. Guildford, Chichester, and Portsmouth Railway. Southampton and Dorchester Railway. The following is the list from which Members will Le se lected to serve on those Railway Committees which com mence their sittings in the week beginning Monday, the 9th day of June. Sir T. D. Acland. Mr. S. Lane Fox. Mr. N. Alexander. Lord R. Grosvenor. Mr. Baine. Lord Marcus llill. Mr. Ireland Blackburne. Captain Jones. Mr. Bradshaw. Mr. tremble. Hon. G. Cavendish. Mr. Mitchell. Mr. Cochrane. Lord Norreys. Hon. R. Clive. Mr. Pringle. lion. H. Cholmondeley. Col. the Ilin. E.G. Pennant. lion. A. Cole. Mr. C. G. Round. Mr. Raikes Currie. Earl of Shelburne. Mr. Rice Clayton. Mr. Stansfield. Mr. D'lsraeli. Mr. Granville Vernon. Marquis of Douro. Mr. Warburton. Sir James Duke. Sir J. Walsh. Rt. lion. E. Ellice. Mr. Ward. Mr. Etwall. Cul. T. Wood (Middlesex). Mr. Forster. .. Hon. Eliot Yorke. RAILWAY BILLS BEFORE PARLIAMENT. The fullowing return of the number of railway plans in favour of which the Railway Board have reported was issued on Tuesday by order of the house of Lords. One hundred and eighteen railway plan=, viz.:— [he Cornwall Railway (Plymouth to Falmouth). The West Cornwall Railway (up to the Junction with the Cornwall Railway.) The St. Ives Junction Railway. The Reading, Basingstoke, and Hungerford Railway (Great Western). The Wilts and Somerset Railway. The Bristol and Exeter (Durston and Yeovil Branch). The Southampton and Dorchester Railway. The Guildford, ChichsEttr, Portsmouth, and Fareham Branch. The hictrepolitan Extension of the London and South- wtetern. The Richmond and West-end Junction. The Staines and Richmond. The Great Grimsby and Sheffield. The South-Eastern (gaidstone and Rochester). The South-Eastern (Branches to Deal and Widmer, and Extension and Deviation at Margate). The South-Eastern (Ashford to Hastings). The South-Eastern (Hungerford-bridge to Tonbridge and Paddock Wood, and Branches). The South-Eastern (North Kent, Hungerford bridge to Chilham, with Branch to Sheerness). The Newcastle and Berwick Railway, with Branch to Kelso: The Bury and Ipswich. The Ipswich and Norwich Extension. The Lynn dad Ely. The Belfast and Ballymena. The Dublin and Belfast Junction, with Branch to Drogheda and Bells. The thiblin and Drogheda (Howth Branch). The Ulster Extunsion (Portadown to Armagh). The Dundalk and Enniskillen (with the exception of the Monaghan Branch). The Newry and Enniskillen (with the exception of the portion of the line between Newry and Armagh). The Coils and Bandon. The Great Southern and Western (Cork Extension only). The Waterford and Limerick. The Barnsley Junction. The Leeds and Bradford Extension to Skipten and Colne. The Leeds and West Riding Junction. The Manchester and Leeds (Heywood and Oldham Ex tensions.) The Manchester and Leeds (Burnley Branch). The Churnet Valley Railway Scheme, (frcin Meech s field to Tamworth and Derby, with a Branch to the Potteries). The Biriningham and Gloucester (Deviation - Line). The London, Worcester, Rugby, and Oxford with an extension from Worcester to Dudley (narrow gauge). The South Wales Railway. The Monmouth and Hereford (Great Western). The Newport and Pontypool. The Shrewsbury, Wolverhampton, Dudley, and Bir mingham. Ti.e Waterford and Kilkenny Railway Scheme. The Bolton, Wigan, and Liverpool. The Liverpool and Manchester (Patricot and Clifton Branches). The Liverpool and Manchester (Parkside Branch). The Liverpool and Manchester (Extensions into Li vereo Trent Valley (with the exception of the Potteries and Alrewas Bo anche:). The Clydesdale Junction. The Caledonian. The Edinburgh and Hawick. The Scettish Central. . The Irish Great Western (Dublin to Galway). The Londonderry and Enniskillen. The Blackburn, Burnley, and Accrington Extension. The Blackburn, Drawee, and Bolton. The Aberdeen. The Dundee and Perth (Line on the North Bank of the 'ray). The Edinburgh and Northern. The Scottish Midland. The Glasgow, Barrhead, and Neilston. The Whitehaven and Furness Junction. The Kendal and Windermere. The Lowestoft. The Bedford, London, and Birmingham. The Cambridge and Lincoln. The Direct Northern (as to the portion between Lincoln and York.) The Eastern Counties (Brandon and Peterborough De viation). The Eastern Counties (Hereford and Biggleswade Junction). The Midland Railway (Syston and Peterborough). The Midland Railway (Nottingham and Lincoln). The Midland Railway (Swinton to Lincoln, as to the portion between Swinton and Doncaster). The Tottenham and Farringdon-street Extension. . The Wakefield, Pontefract, and Goole. The Aberdare. The Brighton, Lewes, and Hastings (Keymer Branch). The Cockermouth and Workington. The Dunstable (London and Birmingham). The Erewash Valley. The Manchester, Sheffield, and Midland Junction. The Newark and Sheffield. The North Wales Mineral Railway Extension. The Preston and Wyre (Lytham and Blackpool Branches). The Shrewsbury, Oswestry, and Chester. The Sunderland, Durham, and Auckland. The Wear Valley. The West London (Thames Extension). The Newcastle and Darlington, and Brandling Junction Extension. The Ashton, Staly Bridge, and Liverpool Junction (Ard wick Extension). The Manchester, South Junction, and Altrincharn. The Manchester and Birmingham (Macclesfield Exten sion and Junction Line with the Sheffield and Man chester). The Midland Railway (Darfield to Warsborough). The Midland Railway (Darfield to Elscar). The Midland Railway (Cherlt to Horbitre). The Midland Railway (Oakenstraw to Wakefield). The Midland Railway (Ambergate to Crich). The London and Brighton (Horsham Branch). The Harwich Railway and Pier. The Richmond (Yorkshire) Railway. The Hull and Bridlington Branch Railway. The Middlesborough and Redcar. The Birkenhead, Manchester, and Cheshire Junction. The Chester and Birkenhead Extension. The Blackburn and Preston (Alterations, Extensions, and Branch). The Coventry, Bed Worth, and Nuneaton. The Eastern Counties (Finsbury Extension). The Huddersfield and Sheffield Junction. The Lancaster and Carlisle (Branch to Newcastle and Carlisle Railway). The Lancaster and Carlisle (Scotforth to Slyne). The Newcastle-upon-Tyne and North Shields (Tync mouth Extension and New Quay Branch). The North Union Extension to the River Ribble. The Sheffield and Rotherham (Branch to Sheffield and Manchester Railway). The Norwich and Brandon (Extension into Norwich). The York and North Midland (Bridlington Branch). The Lancaster and Carlisle (Deviation in parish of • Kendal). The Porthdynlaen and Bsngor. The Chester and Holyhead. The Liverpool and Manchester Extension. The only powers of obtaining returns from Railway Companies vested in the Board of Trade are those defined by the Acts 3d and 4th Victoria, cap. 97, sec. 3, and sth and 6th Victoria, cap. 55, sec. 8, which relate exclusively to returns of accidents, and of the V b rgte gate amount of traffic up on ra il ways, and of toile, ran s, and charges levied thereon. The railway department have not the information ne cessary to enable them to make the returns relative to "the different sums per cent. divided by the different Railway Companies authorised by Act of Parliament ;" and of " the sums paid per share on each railway already authorised by Act of Parliament ;" and they find that, in the absence of any power to call for the necessary offi cial returns, it would be impossible for them to obtain such authentic information upon the points specified, which relate exclusively to the internal affairs of the Rail way Companies, as they would feel justified in adopting in a return to Parliament. By order, D. O'BRIEN. MORTALITY OF THE METROPOLIS.—The number Of deaths duriug the week ending May 17, was 835, exceeding that of the previous week by only 6, and 53 less than the average of five spriags. .The virul.nce of diseases of the lungs and other organs of respiration is greatly abated, and under almost every other head the symptoms was favourable. The number of accidental deaths was 23, of which 10 were caused by burns and scalds, and no suicide, RAILWAY COMMITTEES. (YESTERDAY.) Group EE. DUNDEE AND PERTH (NORTH) LINES. The Committee on these railways resumed this morning at the usual hour; the Right Hon. F. Baring, chairman. The Hon. F. Ponsonby said, that a meeting had taken place since the Commit(ee separated yesterday upon the subject of the terminus, as suggested by the Right Hon. Chairman, with a view to make some arrangement between them. Hitherto all negotia. tions had proved abortive, and even that commenced this morning had concluded without a settlement, nevertheless hopes w, re en tertained that an amicable issue would yet be attained. Under this anticipation, therefore, he should, on the part of the promoters of the Dundee and Perth line, abstain from touching on the ques. Lion of terminus and the South Inch. The CHAIRMAN suggested that both parties should refrain from alluding to the subject of terminus a!together. • This proposition being acceded to, the evidence of witnesses was continued. John Miller, cross-examined bv Mr. Poßsvrn—The line he I ed proposed between Dundee and Perth would proceed earalel to the turnpike_road for several miles, more than a milo and a half of which would he within ten feet of it. No prevision liatL been made for separating the r.iilway from the road, but in their Bill they had suggested its being left to the direct , on of the Sheriff. The height of the bridge on the Tay above the ordi nary high water mark would be 7 feet 2 inches. Was aware that a commimicatioa had been made by the Admiralty to Lord Kin. naird, but was not in possession of its detail , . C Cite Learned Counsel here read a letter from the Secretary to the Admiralty, dated May 19, I 545, in which the opinion of that Beard was decidedly expressed aga'nst the erection of any bridge over the Tay, int amuch as it would entail con siderable mischief on the navigation of that river, but in the ivcnt of its being found absolutely indispensable, they would concet:e to it on the condition that i should be constructed at right angles to the river, at an elevation of sixteen feet above tl.e ordi. nary high water mark, and that a swing bridge should be thrown across similar to that to be erected over the Tamar at Torpoint, on the S-iuth Devon line, having an opening of fifty fret to allow •of the passage of vessels. With those requirements their Bill did not comply, inasmuch as the letter was of so recent a date, but their course could now be easily shaped 5h as to act upon them. The length of embankment through the Tay would be in the nrst case five furlongs, in the second a quarter of a mile, aid in the third about a quarter of a mile also. The embankment would require 30,090 cubic yards of earth-work per mile, varying in width from twelve to seventeen feet, at a cost of one shilling per cubic yard, and wanting 12,000 yards of pitch-work. • Cross-examined by Mr. COCKBURN, Q. C., on belle.: of the Seot fish Midland Company—Had not as yet prepared a detailed estimate of the cost of the undertaking; but would have no objection to fur. risk the Committee with the various heads and items of the ex. penses, nor \NMI a rough sketch of the bridge he proposed to throw over the Tay, in accordance with the requirement of the Admiralty. Cross-examined by Mr. Sergeant \VRSNGRAM for the trustees of the Perth harbour—The chief tratEc on the river Tay was concentrated at the Penitentiary below the South Inch. He did not think that there would . be any difficulty experienced in the construction of their line near Sleepless Island. Gcorge Lorimer, examined by the Hon. Mr. PoNsoNux—ls one of the contractors of the Dundee and Perth Railway. Has exa. mined the estimates and items of the line in detail, and considers them correct. Cross-examined by Mr. rORSVTII—The amount of cubic yards of embankment on the entire line will be 600,000/. ; estimates the cost of the masonry at 12,700/., and the laying down of the rails without sleepers, or anything except bare labour, at 11.000/. '1 he sum total necessary for th ..t proportion of the line . which he had estimated was 80,000/. (This line of cross-examination being objected to by Mr. An. drews, the Committee ruled that either the course should be allowed, or the evidence of the witness altogether struck out. The latter alternative being preferred by the promoters of the Bill, the evidence was expunged.) James Leslie, examined by Mr. Arroaaws—ls a civil engineer, and being instructed by the trustees of the . Dundee Harbour to sur vey the proposed course of the Dundee and Perth Railway, and see whether their harbour would be injured by the embankments to be constructed on its margin, was of opinion, that so far from being de trimental, it would be of the greatest advantage to the harbour. In 1842 the trustees of the harbour contemplated the formation of similar cmlankments, anticipating the most beneficial results, but had subsequently abandoned the measure, solely from pecuniary motives. Cross.examined by Mr. FORSTTR—The time it would take to pass from the terminus of the Dundee and Perth to that of the Dundee and Arbroath was about four minutes. In January last had made a report to the trustees of the Dundee harbour, in which he said that: Dock.street, being only eighty feet wide, should not remain both a quay and a street, and that it would be preferable that a line should pass, if pvss;ble, in any wber direction than along Dock-street. Had also reported that very setions injuries had been inflicted on the harbour by the embankments already constructed. Does not think the amenity of the houses would be injured by the line passing immediately by them. Andrew Barless examined by Mr. ANDREWS—Is a !and.valuer of 20 years' experience, and having valued the whole of the line, had made an estimate of 23,90g1. 4s. 91 Ctoss.examined by Mr. FORSYTH—That is a high estimate; has taken 183,205 acres. This having closed the evidence of the promoters, Mr. FORSYTH, on the part of the conservators of the river Tay, commenced his rebutting case, by calling . - David Stephenson, who deposed to the issuing of the original prospectus of the Dundee and Perth Railway in 1844, in which a bridge was proposed to be thrown over the Tay at a place called Macdrum, about seven miles from Perth. That scheme had been abandones', when it was proposed to erect it at the South Inch, which latter project bad also been given up, and a third, according to the suggestion of the Board of Admiralty, finally adopted. He considered from what he could gather of the pro. position that it would prove inconvenient to the traffic on that line. The direct examination of this witness being concluded, and the Speaker announced at prayers, the Committee adjourned. GI cup E. THE NORTHUMBERLAND ATMOSPHERIC LINE. The Committee proccedtd this morning to hear evidence is favour of the opponents of this line. Mr. Scott Ilu,stli's cross.e.samination was resumed for the pur pose of diowing that his calculations were falsified by certain facts, but his evidence remained generally misloiken. Mr. Locke was examined by Mr. Ilturivetn—The tendency of his evidence was to prove that the atmospheric principle would not succeed on a long line. The promoters of the system s. erried themselves not to have much confidence in it, as they never tried it fur any distance. It was only in such a case as that at Dalkey that it Could work well. Mr. Harrison was next exa:n . ned by Mr. lIILDYARD for the purpose of showing that the tr:ffic of Northunlbtriand could not be worked by the atmospheric prim iple. Mr. ALEXANDER objected to the reCCI tion of such evidence. A short discussion then ensued, and after the room had leeen cleared for some time for the purpose of leaving the determination of the matter to the Committee, The CHAIRMAN said, tt at the Committee understood that when the traffic tables were put in by the Northumberland Company, the traffic was proved to be sufficient to support the line. The object of the opponents of the Northumbei land line was to show that the atmospheric principle was not such as to enable them to convey that traffic, and on that account the Committee were of opinion that the evidence could be received. Mr. Harrison's examination was then continued—He stated that there was an average of 715 head of cattle conveyed to New castle weekly, from the last week in January to the first week in July. There was a matket-chy once a week in New castle, which occurred every Tuesday, and the cattle should arrive the day before. He calculated that there would be 390 tons weight of cattle conveyed on that day, allowing S tons per truck; and there would be a traffic of 4,615 sheep, making 922 tons of sheep and cattle together. 99 tons of coal would be the average quantity carried daily, including the weight of the waggons. The gross total would be 1,197 tons, conveyed on the day before the market-day. The passenger trains would be 3S in one day. The Locomotive Company proposed to run 44 trains per day. The Committee not being able to proceed with the evidence of the witness, in consequence of the absence of some diagrams neces sary fur its illustration, adjourned at four o'clock. Group F. The Committee re-assembled this day at twelve o'clock, in Room No. I I, present the Right Hon. F. Shaw, Chairman, Mr. V. Stuart, Mr. Lockhart, Mr. Bramston, and Mr. Drummond. LONDON, WORCESTER, AND SOUTH STAFFORDSHIRE RAILWAYS. Mr. WHITMORE addressed the Ccmnsittre on behalf of the Birmingham Canal Company. He would trouble the Committee with very few remarks. His clients were opposed to both projects, the Great Western and the London and Birmingham—both were called the South Staffordshire projects. These projects would ma terially injure the property of the canal, though no railway could ever take up all or anything ike its gross trade. The Committee would sec by the map before them, that the various windings of that canal gave accommodation to the country which no railway could give. That canal ran 130 miles through the country, and carried at the rate of 34,000,000 of tons an_ 'wally. The rec‘ipts amounted to nearly 135,000/. per annum. That Company had a power over the land on either side of their canal, to the extent of 100,000 yards. He stated these facts to prove to the Committee that his clients were no mean opponents to the projected railways, but were deeply entitled to the considera. tion of the Committee. Now, with respect to both lines of rail. way, he must confess that the one least objectionable to the Canal Company, and most adapted for the country, more especially relat ing to Dudley, was the Birmingham line. Mr. COCILIIIIRN—I would ask my Learned Friend if, since last night, his clients had not sold themselves to the London and Bir mingham Company ? Mr. Wurrmons would inform his Learned Friend that nothing of the sort had occurred. . Mr. CoCIIBURN would not have put the question but for having good authority. What he meant was, did nat the Canal Company sell their canal to the London and Birmingham Railway Company V Mr. WIIITIAORE had to state, in explanation, that why he re quested the Committee yeateiday to give him till this day to ad. dress them, was, that there was then a probability of his clients coming to an und'erstanding with the London and Birmingham Company, and he was now in a position to state that they had settled their differences. _ . Mr. COCKBURN—I guessed rightly. The case for the Great Western Company was then gone into, Mr. Cockburn reserving his speech till the conclusiim of the evidence. Mr, William Matthews, ironmaster at Staffbrdshire, examined by Mr. Sergeant KiNotaen—Was extensively engaged in coal collieries and pig iron, was also an extensive shareholder in canals. Felt the - want of a railway communication, and had no doubt that the Great Western Company wou'd be the best line for the important districts of Staffordshire. The proposed Great Western line would open up some most important mining districts in South Staffordshire ; by that line the coalowners of Staffordshire would not only be able to compete with the Leicester district, which is an important place for coal consumption, but they would be able also to send a considerable quantity to the west end of London at a mo. derate charge to the consumer. In witness's district there were 15,370 tons of coals made up annually. Out of this 12,540 tons would go by the Oxford or Great Western line, and only 2,530 tons by the L on d on and Birmingham line. The charges by the London and Birmingham line had been so high that it was but little used by the iron and coalmasters of Staffordshire, but the moment they saw the prospectus of the Great Western line they offered to carry coals at Id. per ton. The witness was briefly cross-examined, after which Dr. Har. rington of Oxford was called, and :he Committee adjourned till twelve o'clock to-morrow. Group X. LONDON AND YORK LINE. This Committee assembled to-day at the usual hour in Corn mittee.room No. 8. Mr. PAPET battled in the agreement spoken of yesterday between the Forsdyke Navigation Company and the London and York Com. pany, by which it appeared that the terms of the agreement were that the latter rhould pay the former a sum equal to the amount of the net benefits for three years. The CIIAIRMLN announced that when this case should bedisposed of, the Committee would take up the Cambridge and Lincoln line. Mr. Pearson, chief shipping clerk to Mr. Angus, of Selby, de. posed that his employer had IS schooners. of 150 tons each, plying between Selby and London. They conveyed all sorts of goods, such as coals, provisions, and the iron manufactures of Lowmore ironworks. Mr. Angus's vessels convey about 20,000 tons of goods annually from London to Selby, and about 28,000 tons from Selby to London. The voyage occupies about eight days. The goods comin were wer e unshipped there , an d sent on to Leeds, where they A y r . J ose ,,li Spence, glass manufactur er and chemist, at York-- Scuds glass to Grantham, Newark , Lincoln , Gainsborough, Don g to r Selby for London. y dcd caVer, Selby. Stamfot d, Boston, Louth, Norwich, London,