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L7ll Zt 4 > ? fourtt SUN OFFICE, Seven o Clock. GORHAM v. HE BISHOP OF EXETER. JUDICIAL COMMITTEE OF THE PRIVY COU.NCIL.-(THIS DAY.) JUDGMENT. The judgment in this long-litigated case, which is des tined not only to have an immediate and important bearing on the whole Christian Church, and the Church of England in particular, but to possess hereafter a deep historical interest, was pronounced at two o'clock this afternoon by the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council in their court at Whitehall. - - The members of the Committee of the Privy Council present were the Marquis of Lansdowne, Lord Campbell, Lord Brougham, Lord Langdale, Dr. Lushington, the Hon. Mr. Pemberton Leigh, and Sir Edward Ryan. The Earl of Carlisle,; Lord Monteagle, Sir David Dundas, the Chevalier Bunsen, and Mr. Labouchere, were among the noblemen and gentlemen accommodated with seats within the bar. Long before two o'clock an immense crowd thronged the space immedia,tely;in front of the entrance to the Privy Council-office. The outer doors were thrown open at two o'clock, and the rush of the crowd up stairs was fearful. Another considerable interval elapsed be fore the public were admitted within the room of the Privy Council, during which they w ere kept standing on the landing, closely packed. When the door was eve tually opened the rush was terrific, and the room be came densely filled. It will be remembered that in the year 1847 the Lord Chancellor presented the Rev. George Cornelius Gorham to the living of Bampford Speke, in the diocese of Exeter. Previous and up to that time the reverend gentleman had been the incumbent of St. Just, Cornwall, in the same diocese. The Bishop of Exeter thought it neces sary, before instituting the reverend gentleman to the living of Bampford Speke, to require that he should undergo an examination on points of faith and doctrine before the Bishop, particularly with reference to his opinions on the subject of infant baptism, which the Bishop . suspected were not in ac cordance with the teaching of the Church of England. That examination, though a very unusual course, seeing that the Rev. Mr. Gorham had, previous to his appoint ment to the cure of Bampford Speke, held a living in the same diocese ' was gone into at great length, as is well known, and the result was that after days and weeks bad been spent in the examination, the Bishop refused to institute the rev, gentlemen3to the living of Bampford Speke, on the ground of holding unsound doctrine with respect to the efficacy of th baptismal re genera ion of infants. Mr. Gorham appealed to the Court of Arches, wia,re after an argument lasting . over many days, Sir Herbert Jenner Fust, the judge, decreed in favour of the Bishop of Exeter. From that decision the Ilto wend Mr. Gorham appealed to the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council, before whom, during several days in December last, the case was ably argued on both sides at great length. Lord LANGDALB now pronounced the judgment of the Judicial Committee of Privy Council.' After reciting the circumstances attending tho presentation of Mr. Gorham to the living of Bampford Spoke, the refusal of the Bishop to institute him in his holding on the ground of unsound doctrine, and the proceedings in the Arches Court, as we have stated them subtantially above, his Lordship proceeded to say that the doctrine:held by Mr. Gorham with reference to baptism appeared to be that baptisn and she sacraments were generally necessary to ealvation, but that the grace and restoration of the person baptised did not uniformly take place in baptism ; that grace might be granted before, in, or after baptism; that the grace was given by God to such persons only us worthily receive the sacrament ; that infants baptised, dying before actual sin, were certainly saved ; but that in no case was regeneration in baptism unconditional. Those were the opinieus of Mr. Gorham; and the question which the council had now to decide was not whether those opinions were theologically sound or unsound, but whether those opinions were contrary or repugnant to the doctrines which the Church of England by her articles, formularies, and rubrics re quired to be held by the ministers of her communion. The question must be decided by the erticles and liturgy of the Church, and they must ap ply to those books the same rule that had long been established with regard to all written documents. It was not immaterial to observe that there were dif ferent doctrines prevailing at the time when the articles and liturgy of the Church of England were framed, and ultimately made part of tho law of the land. But they were not to be influenced by the: particular opinion.' of the: eminent men who pro pounded and discussed them, or by any supposed ten dency to give a preponderance to Calvinistic or Arme nian doctrine!. The articles and liturgy, as they now had them, must be considered as the final result, not the discasaion which took place betee en any particular class of men, of Calvinists, Armeniaus, or uny other, but of the conclusions which had been deduced after due con sideration of the matter. It appeared from resolutions and discussions of the Church itself, and from the history of the times, that from the first dawn of the Reformation until the settlement , of the articles and formularies, that the Church was harasse2 by a great variety of opinions respecting baptism and its efficacy, as well as other points of doctrine. The Church having resolved to frame articles of faith as a means of avoiding diversities of opinion, must have been presumed to have accomplished that object so far as it could; but it could not have intended to determine all the ques tions which had arisen or might arise, or to include in the articles and liturgy e: statement_ of all Christian doctrine. A selection of the most important points ne cessary to be believed by ministers of the Church was pro bably made, whilst others not cf such primary importance were left for future decision ; by competent authority, and, in the meantime, to the private judgment of pious and conscientious persons. Under such circumstances it would have been impossible, perhaps, even if it had been thought desirable, to employ language which did not admit of some latitude of interpretation. If the latitude were confined within such limits as might be allowed, without danger to any mat ter necessary to salvation, possibly or probably a difference might have been designedly intended by the framers of the articles themselves. If that were so, the first question which arose in this case was whether the disputed point was or was no 4; meant to be settled at all, or whether it was left open for each member of the Church to decide for hiniself according to his own conscientious opinion. - It was material to observe that very different opinions as to the sacrament of baptism were held by the promoters of the Reformation, and that great alterations were made in the articles on that subject. The articles drawn up in 1535 stated that remission of sins and the grace arid favour of God were given in baptism; and the promise of grace and everlasting life pertained not only to such as were adults, but also to infants and innocents; and it was by those articles also that children ought therefere to be baptised, inasmuch as children dying in infancy should undoubtedly be saved thereby, and that infants must needs be christened because they were born in original sin. In a book entitled " The Necessary Doctrine for a Christian Man," and usually called " The King's Book," published in 1533, it was stated that because all men were born sinners, and could not be saved without the remission of sins, which was given by baptism and the working Of the Holy Ghost, therefore the sacra ment of baptism was necessary for the attainment of sal vation and everlasting life. The articles of 1552 and 1562 adopted very different language from the articles of 1536, and had special regard to the qualification of a Worthy and right reception of baptism. The articles of 1636 expressly determined two points,—first, that Eare tised infants dying before the eerninission of actual sin wore undoubtedly saved thereby; and, e e.emdly, that unbap tised infants were not saved. The Articles of 1562 said nothing expressly on those points ; but, not die tinguishing infants from adult:, stated in general terms that those who received baptism rightly had the benefits of baptism thereby conferred. What was signified by right reception? Mr. Gorham said it always implied in the case of adults faith and repentance, and in the case of infants, God' s grace and favour. On a consideration of the articles it appeared that besides the particular point there were others which were left undecided. It was not particularly declared what was the distinct meaning and effect of the grace of regeneration, whether it was a change of nature, a change of condition, or a change of the relation subsisting betwen man and his Creator. His Lordship then reviewed the articles and formularies at great length with regard t o baptism. He continued to sa y , upright and conscientious men could not in all respects agree upon a subject so difficult; and its was to be carefully borne in mind that the question—and the only question —for the council to decide was, whether Mr. Gorham's doctrine was contrary, or repugnant, to the doctrine of the Church of England, as by law established. Mr. Gorham 's doctrine might be contrary to the opinion entertained by many learned and pious persons—contrary to the opinion which such persons had, by their own particular studies, deducel from 'Holy Scriptures—contrary to the Opinion which they had deduced from uncertain and ambiguous expressions in the formularies; still if the doctrine of Mr. Gorham was not contrary or re pugnant to the doctrine of the Church of England, as by law established, it could not afford a legal ground for refusing him institution to the living to which he had been laWfully presented. The court constituted for the pur pose of advising her Majesty in matters which came within its competency, had no jurisdiction or authority to settle matters of faith, or to determine what ought in particnian to be the doctrine of the Chutes of England upon the true and legal construction of her art i c l e s and formularies; and the Court considered it was not their duty to be minute and rigid in eas es of this sort, The Court agreed with Sir W. Scott in th e opinion which h e expiessed in Stone's case, in the Consistory Court of London—" That if any article is really a subject of du bious interpretation, it would be highly improper tle.t this Court should fizz on one meaning, an d pros cute all • those who held a contrary opinion rc- TArding its interpretation." In the examination ( f this,cape-,the Court had not relied u p on the doctrinal .opinions,Of Any one of the eminent writers, by whose piety, learning, and ability, the Church of England had been distinguished; but it appeared that opiniors, which the Court could not in any important particular distinguish from those entertained by Mr. Gorham, had been propounded and maintained by many Prairent and illustrious prelates and divines who had adorned the Church from the time when the articles were first established, and that without any cen sure or reproach. The Court did not affirm that the doctrines and opinions of Jewell, Hooker, Usher, Jeremy Taylor, Whitgift, Pearson, Carlton, Fri deaux, and many others. could be received as evi dence of the doctrine of the Church of England ; but their conduct, unblamed and unquestioned as it was, proved at least the liberty which had been allowed of maintaining such doctrine. The case not requiring it, the Court had abstained from expressing any opinion of their own upon the theological correctness or error of the doc trine of Mr. Gorham, which was discussed before them at great length and with so ranch learn ing. His Honour the Vice-Chancellor Bight Bruce dis sented from the opinion they had formed, but all the other members of the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council who were present were unanimously of opinion that the doctrine held by Mr. Gorham was not contrary or repugnant to the declared doctrine of the Church of England as by law established, and that Mr. Gorham ought not by reason of the doctrine held by him to have been refused admission to the vicarage of Bampford Speke. The Court should there fore humbly report to her Majesty, that the sentence pronounced by the Learned Judge in the Arches Court of Canterbury ought to be reversed, and that the Bishop of Exeter had not shown sufficient cause why he did not institute Mr. Gorham to the said vicarage. Loud cries of " Bravo" resounded through the court at the conclusion of the judgment, which were immedi ately silenced. It was st•it3d, at the commcno maent of the judgment, by Lord Longdale, that the Archbishops of Canterbury and York had expressed their approval of the judgment. THE LONDON GAZETTE. (THIS EVENING.) At the Court at Buckingham Palace, March 6, 1850 : Her Majesty having been graciously pleased to deliver the custody of the seals of the Duchy and County Palatine of Lancaster to the Right Honourable George William Frederick Earl of Carlisle, the oath of Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster was this day, by Her Majesty's command, admi nistered to him accordingly. ADMIRALTY, Nano' 7. 20,000/. reward will be given by her Majesty's Government to any party or parties, of an country, who shall render efficient assistance to the crews of the Discovery Ships, under the command of Sir John Franklin ;-1. To any party or parties who, in the jud ;merit of the Board of Admiralty, shall discover and effectually relieve the crews of her Ma jesty's ships Erebus and Terror, the sum of 20,000/. ; or, 2. To any party or parties who, in the judgment of the Board of Admiralty, shall discover and effectually relieve any of the crews of her Majesty's ships Erebus and Terror, or shall convey such intelligence as shall lead to the relief of such crews or any of them, the sum of 10,0001. ; or, 3. To any party or parties who, in the judgment of the Board of Admiralty, shall, by virtue of his or their efforts, first succeed in ascertaining their fate, 10,0001. W. A. B. 11A31ILTON, Secretary of the Admiralty. . FOREIGN-OFFICE, 31-incir 8. The Queen has been pleased to appoint George Benvenuto Mathew, Esq., to be her Majesty's Consul at Charleston, in the United States of North America. WHITEHALL, MAxen 6. The Queen has been pleased to present the Rev. Watkin Watkins to the Rectory of Bedwas, in the county of Mon mouth, with the Chapel of Ruddry, in the county of Gla morgan, both in the diocese of Llandaff, void by the death of Dr. Edward Copleston, late Bishop of Llandaff. WAR OFFICE; MARCH 8. Ist Regiment of Dragoon Guards—Brevet Lieutenant- Colonel George Green Nicolls, from half-pay, Un attached, to be Major, vice Brevet Lieutenant- Colonel Joshua Siminonds Smith, who exchanges ; Captain Alfred Scott to be Major, by purchase, vice Nicholls, who retires; Lieutenant Charles George O'Callaghan to be C2ptain, by purchase, vice Scott; Cornet Charles Edwyn Wyatt to be Lieutenant, by purchase, vice O'Callaghan; Cornet George John Bridge, from sth Dragoon Guard, to be Cornet, vice Wyatt, March 8. 15th Light Dragoons—Lieutenant-Colonel Henry Faue, from half-pay, 11th Light Dragoons, to be Lieutenant- Colonel, vice Brevet Colonel Lovell Benjamin Lovell, who exchanges; Major Michael William Smith to be Lieutcpant- Colonel, by purchase, vice Fans, who retires; Capt. Charles Il igginson Teush Hecker to be Major, by purchase, vice Smith ; Lieutenant Lewis Edward Nolan to be Captain, by purchase, vice Recker ; Cornet Frederick William Goldfrap, to be Lieutenant by purchase, vice Nolan, March 8. 15th Foot—Captain Henry Oldfield Bowles, from half-pay Unattached, to be Captain, vice Fitz-William Walker, who exchanges ; Lieutenant James Alix Wilkinson to be Captain, by purchase, vice Bowles, who retires ' Ensign Joseph Tuite to he Lieutenant, by purchase, vice Wilkinson, March 8. 16th Foot—Ensign Charles Lord Lurgan, from the 76th Foot, to be Ensign, vice Massy, deceased, March 8. 27th Foot—Ensign William Crozier to be Lieutenaat, without purchase, vice Noble, deceased; Second Lieutenant Henry Edward King, from the sth Foot, to be Ensign, vice Crozier, March 8. 48th Foot—Lieutenant Samuel John Macluran to be Ad jutant, vice Wyndowe, who resigns the Adjutancy only, March 8. _ _ 51st Foot—Lieutenant Louis Henry Bedford, to be Cap tain, by purchase, vice Scott, who retires ; Ensign William James Baillie, to be Lieutenant, by purchase, vice Bedford; Ensign Samuel To:nyns Sargent, from 91st Foot, to be En sign, vice Baillie, March 8. 66th Foot- Quartermaster Harry Firth to be Adjutant, with the rank of Ensign, vice Reilly, deceased ; Quarter master George Pollard, from the 6th Foot, to be Quarter master, vice Firth, appointed Adjutant, March 8. 72d Foot- Captain Richard Palmer Sharp to be Major, by purchase, vice Jervis, promoted in the Provisional Battalion at Chatham; Lieutenant Richard Rocke to be Captain, by purchase, vice Sharp ; Ensign George Don Anderson to be Lieutenant by purchase, vice Rocke, March 8. 80th Foot—Lieutenant Samuel Head, from Ist West India Regiment, to La Lieutenant, vice Thorne, who exchanges, March 8. _ _ . Ist West India Regiment—Lieutenant George Thorne, from 80th lioot, to be Lieutenant, vice Head, who exchanges, March 8. 3d West India Regiment—Troop Sergeant-Major George Alleyne Rogers, from the 4th Dragoon Guards, to be Ensign, by purchase, vice Kerr, appointed Adjutant, March 8. Cape Mounted Riflemen—Lieutenant Charles Harland Bell to be Adjutant, vice Macdonnell, who resigns the Adjutancy only, March 8. Provisional Battalion at Chatham—Major Henry Jervis, from the 72d Foot, to be Lieutenant-Colonel, by purchase, vice Brevet Colonel Weare, who retires, March 8. COMMISSI-RlAT.—Deputy - Assistant 'Commissary-Genera' Henry Brown Morse to be Assistant Commissary-General; Commissariat Clerk Charles Garrow Blanc to be Deputy. Assistant Commissary-Geweral, Dec. 8, 1848. BANKRUPTCY SUPERCEDED. William Hale, rocket and shell manufacturer, Woolwich. Angus Nicholson, builder Bowling, Bradford, Yorkshire. BAN kRUPTS: Charles Christie, timber merchant, Vauxhall-walk, Lam beth, March 15, and April 19, at one, at the Court of Bank ruptcy. Whitmore, official assignee; Barton, Wolsinghana f lace,. Lambeth. Thomas Long, picture dealer, Belgrave-street South, Pimlico, March 20, at one, and April 19, at twelve, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Stansfeld, official assignee; Wey mouth, Temple-chambers , Fleet -street. whardn ,g f, James Wigg llickling, Mon tague-close, Southwark, March 16 and April 27, at half-pasf twelve, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Pennell, official as signee, Guildhall-chambers; Yetts, Field-court, Gray's Inn. Robert Parker, commission agent, Nottingham, March 15 and April 19, at ten, at the Birmingham District Court. Bit tleston, official assignee, Nottingham; Campbell, Not tingham. John Brearley, timber merchant, Sowerby -bridge, near Halifax, Yorkshire, March 22 and April 25, at eleven, at the Leeds District Court. Young, official assignee, Leeds; Stocks, Halifax ; Courtenay, Leeds. Robert Brown, tailor, Howden, Yorkshire, March 20 and April 24, at half-past ten, at the Leeds District Court. Car rick, official assignee, Hull ; Blackburn, Leeds. Charles Burgin, steel manufacturer, Sheffield, March 23, at twelve, and April 27, at ten, at the Leeds District Court. Freeman, official assignee, Sheffield ; Saxelbye, Hull ' ; Hors fall and arrison Leeds. Edward Underhill, builder, Chelsea, March 14, at eleven, and April 19, at one, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Stans feld, official assignee; Lawrance and Plews, Old Jewry ' chambers, City. William Henry Swinton, merchant, South-street, Finsbury, March 22, and April 19, at two, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Edwards, official assignee, Basinghall ' street; Peddell, Cheapside. PRICE OF SUGAR. The average price- of Brown or Muscovado Sugar, com• puted from the returns made in the week ending March 5, 1850, is 263. 5:Ad. per cwt. MARKET INTELLIGENCE. (From the London New Price Current, March 8.) SUGAR—.To-day West India Sager met with little at tention for the scale of refining purposes, and rather lower ratee were acceded to. Only 260 hhds, Sce. were disposed ot; including at auction 30 hhda 22 trcs 30 brls cristalized De merara, which sold at 49s to 50s 6d for white, yellow 38s to 43s Gd, brown 39s Gd to 37s ed, inferior 32s 6d. to 33s 6d . , per cwt. For the week in all only 824 hhds, &c. have been disposed of, and prices close 6d :per cwt under those of ' Friday last. REFINED—To-day there was less activity in the refined Sugar market, still brown grocery Lumps were not to be obtained under 48s per cwt. The market is dull for Crushed Sugar, and prices are rather lower; the best British is not worth more than 30s per cwt. _ Nlaminans—This afternoon the public sales of 3253 bags Mauntius Sugar went off at rather lower rates, and st part onil'3: sold; fine ye ll ow at 39s to 40s 6d , ot h er sorts 38s to to 'Ss 6d. good to fine brown, 33s 6d to 34s 6d, and ot kinds 31s to 34s 6(1 per cwt. EAST Il4oDiA—This" afternoon Bengal met with little atten tion, and rather lower rates were aceeeded to. At public sales 3,764 bags mostly found buyers; white Benares at 38s to 41s, damp and washed 378 6d to 40s 6d, soft yellow 325, and good to fine strong grainy 34 s to 375, low date 29s to yellow 41s 6d to 42s 6d per cwt. FOREIGN.—This afternoon there was little passing by private treaty in Foreign Sugar. At Auction 72 hhds Suri uain went at moderate rates; soft yellow at 36a to 375. and brown 34s per cwt. A cargo of low yellow Havannah has been sold at :2.0s 3d per cwt. COFFEE —This afternoon the private transactions in Coffee were trifling for all purposes, and prices are still on the decline. The value of Native Ceylon is 57s to 53s for good ord, and 55s to 56s for arrival. Of Plantation a small part only of 165 casks 13 bags at auction found buyers at 65s to tiSs for mid, and at 70s per cwt for good. 31ouassEs.—There is a larger supply of West India. At public sale 27 puns St Vincents were sold at 16s; whilst 615 puns 19 MAL and 50 barrels of Barbadoes were taken in at 17s 6d per cwt. There are few buyers of Bengal, and 13s 6d to 14s is the value. Of Mauritius 165 casks at auction were taken in at 13s per cwt for very low quality. COCOA.—Operations have been limited in all sorts of West India by private treaty, and at auction 42 bags Trinidad were withdrawn. The tendency of prices is still to decline, and for all purposes deliveries continue to be less than in the former year. Of Foreign none has been submitted to public sale, and privately few buyere are to.be met with, whilst parcels are offered at lower rates, ; a further decline is also looked for. TEA.—There is no variation to notice in the value of Coiagou this week, and home dealers have made purchases 1 with caution. For exportation a faii`quantity of Congou .has.been sold at laid to 11d per lb. Fine Green realize full terms, and has been in good demand; low and mild sorts met With little attention and there are sellers at a alight reduce tion. For Pekoe and scented Tea the market is quiet, and prices tend. downwards. RlCE.—There continues to be much dulness in the mar for East India, whilst the private purchases are not worth enumerating, they have been almost exclusively confined to a few orders fur the West Indies. Fite White Bengal supports late rates,. but of the lower sorts of Rice several parcel are on offer. At public sale 1,207 bags of Penang were taken in, but sold, afterwards at the low rates of Cs 6d to 7s for low cargo mixed and middling at 7s per cwt. The value of good and fine white Bengal is 10s to 11s, other sorts 8s to 9s td, cargo 7e to is 6d, and Madras pinkey white Rs to 9s per cwt. Cleaned Rice is nut much wanted, whilst a desire is evinced to sell town dressed Carolina at 20s to 265, broken 14s to 15, Patna low to fine 12s to 18s, very superior 19s to 20s, broken 9s 6d to 12s, and American cleaned Rice 19s to 19s 6d. Siaccs.—At public sale to-day 803 bags East India Ginger went at ftill rates, and realized 20s to 21s for export sort, and damaged 16s to 18s per cwt. SALTPETB.E.—Tc-day some parcels of Rough were sold by private treaty at full rates; at auction 510 bags were dis posed of, 5 per per cent. refracticn at 28a for ord, and 11 to 9ip ditto of middling quality at '26s per ewt. Immo.— On the part of holders of East India there is a reluctance to accept lower rates, only trifling purchases have been made this week by shippers or heme dealers. In Spanish there has been little passing. SPIRITS. —A Government contract for 100,000 gallons of Ruin, half East and the remainder West India, is declared. There has been little desire on the part of shippers or home dealers to operate, still holders are firnt and will not sell but at full prices. Only small parcels of East India have been sold at Is 4d to is 5d proof. Leeward Island is 5d to is 6d. Of Demerara the sales are 100 hhds at - 2s 4d to 2s 6d for 30 to 40 per cent over ; 100 puns of Jamaica at 2s 6d to 33,f0r 28 to 35 over, small parcels of better sort 3s 2d to 4s. Brandy has been in good demand, and holders display firmness, whilst the value of Cognac best brands of the vintage of 1848 is 48 8d to 4s 10d per gallon. COCIILNEAL.—To-day there was little desire evinced to operate in Cochineal, and prices further declined ld ; of 75 bags offered at public sale a small,part only sold; Mexican ord black 3s Ild, llonduras 3s I Id to 48 2d, and good silvery Teneriffe 3s 9d per lb. TALLow.—Tc-day at auction Tallow went at stiffer rates ; of S osth American 1,149 pkgs mostly sold at 33s 6d to 35s 6,1; 470 cks Sydney 34s to 36s 9d ; 12 cks of Singapore 33s 6d to 37s ; 40 cks Petersburg Soap 33s 6d to 34s per cwt. Ons.--For Linseed Oil on the spot 32s 6d to 32s 6d per cwt.; for delivery the value is 32s 9d to 335. For Rape Seed Oil, brown 39s to 39s 6d, pale 40s 6d to 41, foreign 43s to 43s 9d, and brown 40s to 40s 6d per cwt. Olive met with little atttenion, and a greater disposition is evinced to sell at from 461 to 491 per ton, Palm fine 31s 6d to 32s per cwt.. Of Cocoa Nut several par cels are still on offer, whilst there are few buyers, and prices are on the decline. In consequence of the reduced stock of Cod Oil, holders remain firm, and require 331 lOs to 34/ per tun ; Seal met with little attention, we quote pale at 371 to 371 10s, straw and tinged 33/ to 361, yellow and brown 30/ to 321 10s ; there is also a fair qurntity on offer. For Southern 31/ to 331 lOs is the value. In Sperm there are sellers of fine Colonial at 311 10/ to 82/ per tun. .MPERIAL PARLIAMENT. (THIS EVENING.) HOUSE OF LORDS. The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat upon the Wool sack at Five o'clock. The Bishop of LONDON presented a petition against relay systems in factories; also a petition praying for the sanitary improvement in the city of London; sod a pe tition from the journeymen tailors praying for a legisla tive measure compelling master tailors to have all work done on their premises. Lord MONTEAGLE presented a petition in favour of union rating. The Earl of MOUNTCASHELL presented a petition in favour of the measure for preventing the increase of beer• houses. The Duke of RICHMOND presented a petition from Knaxesborough complaining of agricultural distresx ; also 26 petitions with a similar complaint from parishes in Lincolnshire, and pre) ing for protection. He trusted the landed interest would Lever remain satisfied with the present state of the law; they had always suffered themselves to be too easily fleeced. DISEASED SHEEP. Tho NOBLE DUKE wished to draw the atten tion cf the Government to the fa2t that certain foreign sheep affected with small-pox had been seized ; some had been killed - and others sold to defay the expeosee. The case was reported in the newspapers as having been brought under the attention of the City authorities at the Mansion-house. He should after Easter move for the appointment of a Select Committee to consider the operation of the law permitting the importation of sheep and cattle. BANKRUPTCY CONSOLIDATION BILL. Lord BROUGHAM postponed the second reading of this Bill for six weeks, as he intended to introduce some alterations in it. EDUCATION. The Marquis of — LANSDOWNE drew the atten tion of the House to a letter which he had received from the lion. and Learned Gentleman (Mr. Talbot) in rela tion to the charges of misstatement which he bad brought against the speakers at the meeting. One of those misstatements was that not a shilling of the public money was given to any school unless it adopted 'the clauses imposed by the Privy Council. As an answer to the misstatement he now laid on the table returns which would prove that misstatement: Heldid not impute to the lion. and Learned Gentleman that he had wilfully mis represented, but that he had been misinformed; and in reply he laid on the table a list of between 400 and 500 Church of England schools which had received assist ance without subscribing to these clauses. Lord STANLEY regretted that the Noble Marquis had not communicated to his Hon. and Learned Eriend his intention of placing these paper's on the table. He understood that the cause of complaint on the part of the c!ergy of the Church of England was, that at pre sent no schools could receive assistance without accept ing those clauses. Possibly that was what his Hon. and Learned Friend had stated, and be might have been misreported. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said that those schools were receiving, and would continue to receive, assistance for any purpose except for building, but the statement was .that it had not received a shilling of public money for any purpose whatever, and that statement he denied, and the returns proved that those statements were unfounded. With regard to misreport ing, all the reports in all the papers ascribed the same language to the Hon. and Learned Gentleman. PARTY PROCESSIONS (IRELAND) BILL. On the order of the day for the third reading of this Bill beinc , moved, The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH moved certain verbal amendments in various clauses, for the purpose of leav ing it optional with the magistrate to declare meetings and processions unlawful, as it was already left optional to him to interfere by force to disperse the meeting. The LORD CHANCELLOR objected to the propo sed alteration. It was left optional to the Magis trate whether or nut he should interfere by force to dis perse the meeting, because perhaps he might not have the means; but when once the meeting was declared unlawful those present were under an obligation to dis perse, and if they refused they might afterwards be pro secuted and punished. Lord STANLEY objectel to the wordinc , of the Bill as most ambiguous and calculated to mislead the magis trates. _ _ _ Lord CAMPBELL said that the Bill was verbatim et literatim bfhe same as the Bill which had been introduced by the Noble Lord himself when he was L , ecretery for Ireland, and which had been the law of the land for many a long year. After a short conversation some of the amendments were agreed to. (LEFT SITTING.) HOUSE OF COMMONS. The SPEAKER took the Chair at Four o'clock. NEW MEMBER. Mr. MACKAY took the oaths and his se..s for Kirk cudbright. PETITIONS. Mr. LUSHINGTON presented a petition from New castle praying that the provisions in the Australian Colonies Bill relating to public worship might be ex punged. Mr. MUNDY presented a petition from Derbyshire in favour of agricultural protection. Lord IL VANE presented a petition from Staines in favour of county financial boards. Mr. B. DENISON presented similar petitions from the West Riding of Yorkshire. Colonel DUNNE presented a petition from Westmeath praying fcr an alteration in the mode of executing public works in Ireland. Mr. REYNOLDS presented several petitions from the county of Dublin, praying for the total repeal of the excise duty on paper. Mr. WATKINS presented a petition from Woodstock in favour of the Marriage Bill. . . A great number of similar petitions were presented. Lord DUDLEY STUART presented a petition signed by 1,708 journeymen tailors in London, praying that the Rouse might appoint a Committee to inquire into the grievances connected with their trade; also a petition from a public meeting of carvers and gilders, praying for the repeal of the duty on paper and adver tisements, and also the penny stamp on newspapers; and a petition to the same effect from printers in the employ of Mr. John Cartwell, in Essex-street, Strand. Mr. ELLIS, presented a petition from Coventry in favour of the Marriage Bill. Mr. ALDERMAN SIDNEY presented a petition from Stafford to the same effect. Colonel LINDSAY presented petitions from several places in Lancashire in favour of county fir. ancial boards. Mr. GROGAN presented a petition from Dublin against the Parliamentary Franchise Bill. REGISTRATION OF BIRTHS AND DEATHS IN WESTMINSTER. tariffY In reply to a question from Mr. LUSHINGTON, re specting the appointment of Mr. Robert Daly Walker to be registrar of births and deaths in the district a Berwi( Ic-street, in the p3rish of St. James, Westminster, Mr. BAINES said that gentleman had been appointed by the Poor-law Commission because they thought him to he the most fit and proper persoa for the office. It was true he lived at a greater distance from his district than was required by the Registration Act, but he b&d promised to reside within the required distance, and the committee had no doubt about his fulfilling that promise. Sir J. %VALMSLEY presented a petition from Bolton in favour of the Marriage Bill. Mr. BATESON presented a petition from Londot derry against the Landlord and Tenant Bill. Lord J. MANNERS presented a petition from Col chester playing for an amendment of the Factory A c t. THE MALT X. Mr. MUNTZ ;ithed to ask the lion. Member who had given notice (f a motion for the repeal of the malt tax when it was his intention to bring it forward? Mr. CAYLEY had intended to bring it on next Tnuraday, but, at the request of moral friends Oat of doors, he now begged to give notice that he should not bring it on till after Easter. NAVIGATION-LAWS. Lord JOAN MANNERS, seeing the Right lion. Gentleman the President of the Board ( f Trade in his place, he wished to ask him if his attention had been di rected to the fAct that a ship had been taken out of Liverpool without the owner's consent. lie wished also to ask whether a foreign :hip coming to thin country to be registered ought to pay the duty — under the existing Mr. LABOUCHERE said the facts of the case re ferred to by the Noble Lord had come to his know ledge, and instructions had been forwarded to the British Consul at Tampico to assist the owner in recovering his ship in the event of its being brought into that port. With regard to the second question, it had always bun held that a foreign ship coming into this country for the purpose of being registered, was not liable to duty, but it it was brought in for the pur pose of being broken up, it was subjected to a duty cf 25 per cent. AUSTRALIAN COLONIES. Sir W. MOLESWORTII gave notice that in Com mittee on the Australian Colcnies Bill, in the event cf the amendment being carried that there should be two instead of one legislative assembly in Australia, he should more that both of them should he elective. THE COASTING TRADE. Mr. NEWDEGATE said that he had been consider ably surprised by the differences which appeared on the face of some of the Government returns, and wished therefore to ask the Right Hon. the President of the Board of Trade to give some explanation of the discre pancy which appearsin the accounts of the coasting trade, as rendered in the Trade and Navigation Returns by the Board of Trade, and shows an apparent excess of clearances outwards ever the entries iawards, both in the number of vessels and amount of tonn2ge. Mr. LABOUCHERE said that the best reply which he could give would be to real an extract from the re turns themselves. This the Right Hon. Gentleman then did, showing that the papers were all in unison, and concluded by saying that this was the best answer that he could give to the question. HOSPITALS IN DUBLIN. Mr. GROGAN wished to ask the Right Honourable the Secretary for Ireland, if it be the intention of her Majesty's Government to withdraw the grants hereto fore mad© by Parliament for the maintenance of the Dublin hospital's. Sir W. SOMERVILLE was not aware that there was any intention on the part of Government to with draw these grants, though he did believe that there would be some change in the application of them. POOR-LAW UNIONS IN IRELAND. In reply to Colonel CHATTERTON, • Sir W. SOMERVILLE stated that he was not aware that any change was about to be made in the constitu tion of the poor-law unions inlreland.: ABOLITION OF THE OFFICE OF LORD-LIEU TENANT OF IRELAND. The LORD MAYOR of DUBLIN asked the Noble Lord at the head of the Government if it was the inten tion of her Majesty's Government to introduce or sup port, during the present session of Parliament, any measure fur the abolition of the office of L.,rd-Lieute slant of Ireland? He said he asked this question is con sequence of the excitement which prevailed on the subject in Dublin, and which was increased by an article in that great organ of public opinion, the Times news paper of yesterday. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said his Hon. Friend would be aware that it would be impossible t• abolish the office of Lord-Lieutenat of Ireland without introducing a Bill into that House, of which due notice would have to be given. He would say furtzer, that the Government had for some time been in consulta tion as to the propriety of introducing a Bill to abolish that office—(Hear, hear)—and they had been in communication with the LDrd-Lieutenant on the sub ject. If any such Bill were introduced it would be brought forward in the name of the Government, and not of that of any private Member of the House. VOTERS (IRELAND) BILL. _ _ In reply to an HON. MEMBER, Lord JOHN RUSSELL said it would depend upon the progress which might be made to-night in the Com mittee f Supply whether this 13i11 would be brought on again on Monday; but if it were agreed to in Commit tee, the Government did not propose to take the third reading until af.er Easter. ECCLESIASTICAL BILL. In reply to Mr. HORSMAN, Lord J. IU said he would not be able to take this Bill on the Bth of April, but might be able to do so on the Monday following. ARMY ESTIMATES. On the motion that the House should go into Com mittee on the Army Estimates, Mr. FOX MAULE said he hoped that the Hon. and Gallant Member who had notice of a motion, on going into Committee of Supply on the Army Esti mates' to draw the att en ti on o f th e H ouse t 3 t h e b revet which took place on the occasion of her Majesty's late visit to Ireland, would withdraw his motion or postpone it to some future period. Major BLACK:ALL said he should be sorry to go on with any motion of his against the wish of the House, but as it was a subject which was net of general inte rest, he had taken the opportunity of the Hon. Member fur the West Riding's motion, when there would be a full House, to call the attention of the House to the subject in question. Lord J. RUSSELL said that, however unimportant or brief the subject might be, if the Gallant Member persisted in going on with his motion, it would prevent the Hon. Member for the West Riding from going on with his motion. Major BLACKALL could not consent to withdraw his motion, although, being an exclusively military one, it would nut be of such general interest. He had to complain that the officers of the line had been unfairly treated by the promotions which were made on the occasion of her Majesty's visit to Ireland. On occa sions like that promotions were made, but they were too often confined to the officers of the household troops, and he thought it was ^ high time that this system of favouritism was put a stop to. He had no personal interest in bringing this matter before the House. He knew none of the gentlemen who were passed over on the occasion of the late brevet, while he was acquainted with many who enjoys(' promotion under it, and if, therefore, he were to allow his feelings to prevail now, it ought to be rather again s t t h an f or t hi s mo ti on . He had taken notice of this simply because it was a public duty, and not for the purpose of serving his own interest or the interest of any friend of his.—(Hear, bear.) Now, on the occasion of her Majesty's visit to Ireland a large brevet was granted, in which several majors were promoted to be lieutenant-colonels, five captains to be majors, and several other officers were similarly advanced. On the 15th February he had moved for a return of the services of those officers who had been promoted in the brevet, and he had to complain that that return had net been . laid upon the table. He was told as an excuse for the delayohat the r e t urn h a d to b e re f erre d to Dublin for verification. That ho thought to be merely an excuse, but es the return was not at band he would read a statement of the, names of the officers who had been promoted and of r ibose wh o h a l not b een promote d during the late brevet. This the Hon. Gentleman then did.. He hoped her Majesty would be induced, on these re presentations, to extend the brevet to those deserving officers who had facen. passed over during the late royal visit to Ireland , and if this, Were done the cost would net be more than 2201. It had been suggested that distinc tions were only to be conferred upon officers in the Dublin garrisons, but that could not be so, for he bad see n various honours conferred upon officers i n C or k a nd other places throug h whi ch her Majesty passed. The Hon. and Gallan t Member concluded by moving that an Mr. FOX MAULE was sor r y th at hi s H on. and Gal lant Friend should have thought it necessary to delay the business of the night by interposi ng a subject.humble address be presented to her M a j es ty on the motion which hto ask the House to e reject. shouldmfuecchl it cf nehcie:sarY ex plr.nation would de pend on certai n return s which had not . yet been furnished to t h e House, and he thought that, a) these returns required the name of every officer serving in Ireland at the time of her Majesty's visit, the nature of the service, whether on guard of honour or escort duty, on w hi c h t h e y had been employed , their rank, and date of com mission, the lergth of service at home or abroad, ' must necessarily be of a complicated nature, it was impossible for the Commander-in-Chief to have got these return ! ready. The brevet was granted upon the principle that it was to be confined to the garrison ot Dublin, because it was understood the senior officers of the line w ere stat i one d there. There were six other officers promoted besides those he had mentioned, in consideration that the officers promoted were attached to the personal staff of the Lord-Lieutemitt or the Commander-in-Chief of the troops, whom it was customary 'to pro mote on all occasions when brevets were granted They could not stretch these honours beyond a certain extent. Ho regretted that such should be the cas e , b ut at the same time there were conaicerations by which they were obliged to be bound, and could not therefore assent to the motion cf his Hon. and Gallant F r i en d (Major Blacken) an address to her Majesty for a revision of the brevet.--(Hear, hear.) Mr. HUME said that ho protested altogether against the Honourable and Gallant Gentleman opposite, and against the answer which bad been given to it by the Government. The Gallant Member had talked of a paltry economy; for his own part he con ceis ed that every shilling that was added to th e t axa ti on was a gross and un ca lled for in ositi▪ o n on the p eo pl e .— (Hear.) The br eve t, he believed , instead of having been too narrow, had been most shamefully and infa mously abused.—(Hear.) It was true that the Queen had the power of p rem oting whosoever she liked, and she might make us many duke`, and lords, and captains, and majors as she liked. a herever she went—(Hear , hear, and great l aug hter) —but wi▪ th respect to this especial case be would remark that the original intention cf the brevet was to promote officers cf extra ordinery merit. The rule had, however, degenerated, and the late brevet had added at least 100,0001. a tear to the taxation of the country.—(Hear, hear.) Such was the case with the several brevets rah'cli had taken plac prior to the year 1833. but instead of the brevet being a grant of the Crown it had been perverted into an organ of Ministerial patro n ag-e.—(Bear, hear.) Such it ought not to be; and so lung- us the system was continued, he should protnt ;-a inst any of those infeanction of that paltry economy wli.ch was so inju r i o us to the public interest. (Colonel DUNNE expressed his regret that such a sea my brevet had been issued on the occasion cf the royal visit. Mr. 13. OSBORNE hoped the Hon. and . Gallant Gentleman would not press the motion to a division. Ito was one of those who thought a brevet ought never to , take place, but if if did, it ought to be fairly tribut , d, and bo given to old officers and not to young officers who had seen no !service. He vs , ?.s complied w cay that an undue preerrnee had bean shown in the distribution f the brevet in Dublin. Colonel ItAWDON hoped that tie Gallant Member would rir t pres his motion. After a few words of explanation from Major BLACICALL, the motion was withdrawn. FINANCIAL REFORM. Mr. COBDEN presented a petition from Liverpool, signed by 30,000 persons, in favour cf the principles of financial reform. Ile complained cf the manner to which the expenditure of the country was submittrd , to the Legislature, so different from the method ?f other constitutional countries; because when the esti mates were brought forward in the House, any material alteration w hich might be made in them was taken as a vote of want of confidence. The man ner in which be had brought his forward was not with any such view, but it was simply to ask the House to come to a resolution embodying a return to the taxation of 1835. This course was not a new one-1792 had been the s'andard the Whigs had quoted and wished to return to for a quarter of a century. He should ask the Government to show reasons why they would not sanction a gradual return to the standard if 1535. With the permission of the Hou-o he would read a few figures showing the relative difference of expenditure in the years 1836 and 1850: —ln the year ending the sth of January, 1836, the interest cf the national debt funded and unfunded was 28,514,0001.; in the year ending the sth January, 1850, it was 28,323,000/.; the army expenses were in the first-named year 6,460,0001., in the latter year 6,549,0001.; the navy ex pellees 4,99,000/. and 6,942,0001, respectively. The ex peaces of the Ordnance deportment iu the first year amounted to 1,151,0001. in the last year to 2,323,000/., and the civtl expenditure 4,225,000/., and 6,732,000/. for the respective years. When he brought forv.ard his financial statement last year he had stated that the excess of expenditure during the preceding year over that cf 1835 was upwards of 10,000,000/. According to the estimates he found that the relative amounts of expenditure, in 1849 and 1835, was 53 550,000/. against 44,295,0001. He was not stating the matter from the estimates of the present year, but from last year ; and by that it sppeared that the excess of expenditure of 1850 over 1835, was 6,453,0001. But taking the estimates of the ensuing year, he thought that a million further at least would be saved, making the total difference 5,500,0001. Well, that was encouraging, but it only showed that however desirous the Ministry might be of econo mising there was such a pressure from with out, such an urgency from the set eral profes sional departments of the state that unless the Govern ment were backed by a stern determinrtion of that House they would never be able to accomplish that which they very possibly desired.—(Hear, hear). How then was he to effect that saving, He would now show It was to be understood that he had to deal with an ex cess of 63 millions. He proposed, in the first place, to reduce the army and navy and ordnance estimates by 5,820,000/. The remaining 630,000/. he intended to take from the civil expenditure, and from the expense of managing the office of Woods and Forests, which he suggested should be placed under better management. He thought that the Hon. Gentletra,n would agree with him that these were things which ought not to be re pea%ed. (Hear, hear.) If they east their eyes over this long list they would find many Wings which would not have been allowed in this day, and which never could be repeated.—(Hear, hear.) But still they required a strict supervision by this House.—(Hear, hear.) In looking over those many items, and considering the cases of many cf the parties receiving pensions, he found that it was not unreasonable to expect that a very con siderable saving would accrue to the state every year.— (Hear.) He next came to salaries and allowances, and in alluding to that portion of the subject he might observe that Hon. Gentlemen opposite would agree with him us first noticing the large sum expended for the support of a number of Commissioners.—(Hear, hear.) These might be much better condensed under one well paid and able CommiSsjoner. They would have their work better done and cheaper done by one man than twelve. It was an ohservation and not, a a bad pun, that a board was sometimes a good screen. (LEFT SPEAKING.) BANK OF ENGLAND. (From this night's Gazette.) An Account, pursuant to the Act 7th and Bth of Victoria, cap. 32, fer the Week ending on Saturday, the 2d day of .3lareli, 1850. issue DEPAILT3IENT. Notes i55ued........ 30,37g,160 Government debt .. 11,015,100 Other securities .... 2,084,900 Gold coin and bullion 19,099,0!13 Silver bullion ...... 2;7,077 £30,376,160 30,376,160 d. MARSHALL, Chief Cashier. 50. CYAZTIEEN T. Dated the 7th day of March, 18 BANKING D X. PrOprietOreCapital.. 14,553,000 Rest .. . • ...... 3,592,934 Public deposits (in eluding Exchequer, Commissioners of National Debt, Say ings-banks, and Dl vidend accounts) .. 7,839,208 Other deposits • • 9,881,899 Seven day and other bills •• .. 1,096,306 ,Government Recur!. ties (including Dead Weight Annuity) .. 14,419,752 Other securities .... 10,425,030 Notes .............. 11,367,885 Gold and silver coin.. 749,700 £3G,9G2,347 X3c,962,347 M MARSHALL, Chief Cashier. Dated the 7th day of March, C OURSE OF EXCH. Anster.tam 12 2% Dit'-o, at sight ...... 12 1 Rotterda:n 12 2% Antwerp 25 75 Harnburgh ......M.B. 13 13% Paris, 3 days'bight 25 50 Ditto, 3 months .... 25 70 ttlarsoillea ............ 25 70 80urdeanx......... . 25 70 Frankfort on _Maine.... 121% Voter sburgh, SB. Ebbe.. 37% Vienna, °flee. 11 45 Trieste, ditto.... • ... .. 11 47 51adxid 49% Cadiz 4gh liareeloza INGE.-(THIS DAY.) Gibraltar— •• •• •• •• •• •• Leghorn ••.. • . 30 35 Genoa .. • • • • • • .• • • •• 26 Allan .. • •••••• .•• •• •• Venice• • .• • . • • • • .• • • • • gaples • • 41 Palermo, per0z........ 1221 i Messina 122 Lisbon.. • • .......... 33% Oporto • • 53 % Rio Janeiro • • ...... • • Buenos Ayres — New York, 21 claya'sight Philadelphia .... PRICES OF BULLION, PER oz. 'Foreign Gold in bars.. 43 17 9 Portugal Gold Coin .. 0 0 0 Spanish Doubloons .. 0 0 0 New Dollars ...... 0 4 10% Silver in bars ........ 0 4 11% WHITBY, MARCH 7.—lt Sunderland, and not the land, that got on the ro and proceeded. was the Fanny, of and from Fanny schooner, of Sunder )ck yesterday, but came off IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, March 7. PARTY PROCESSIONS (IRELAND) BILL. (Continued from our Fourth Edition of last night.) Lord BROUGHAM suggested that his Noble Friends opposite should reconsider the wording of the Bill, for the purpose of making it uniform throughout. The Earl cf ELLENBOROUG II gave notice that upon the third reading he would move an amendment on the second clause, which would give magistrates the same discretion.with regard to attending the meetings, as they would have in publishing the proclamation. The report was then received, and the third reading fixed for to-morrow (this day). SUNDAY TRADING BILL. The Earl of HARROWBY, on moving the second reading cf the Sunday T, siding Bill, said h. would not enter into any statement on the subject, as it would be proposed to send the Bill to a Committee up-stairs. The Bill was then read a second time, and their Lord ships adjournel. HOUSE OF COMMONS, March 7. KILUUSH UNION. (Continued from our Fourth Edition of , last night.) Aiter some further observations from Mr. SO - ILOPE, Mr. A. STAFFORD seconded the motion. Sir W. SOMERVILLE said, in replying to the Hon. Gentleman who had just sat down, it would not be pos sible for him to allude to every particular he had brought forward. - The Hon. Gentleman had had before him the long correspondence which had taken place on this sub ject contained iu the various blue-books, and had gone into details on the different topics suggested by these, so that it was impossible, not knowing the particular points the lion. Gentleman was to dilate upon, that he could answer specifically every point to which he had alluded, The correspondence contained in those blue-books had been long under the consideration of the House, and from it could be traced the unfortunate position in which the Kilrush union was situated. No one could read that correspondence without feelings of regret and pain. while at the same time it must be clear to those who studied it that the situation of that union before the famine was not at all satisfactory, so the; as au unavoid able consequence that famine fell with increased and desperate severity on that union. What Government hud had to do during and since the famine, was to re lieve that distress so far us they were able. As to the distress which prevailed, be knew nothing more pain ful than ninny of Captain lieanedy's reports, and ha might say, ‘ in passing - , that he thought the compliment the Hun. Gentleman had paid to that gallant officer, was well and fully merited .—(Hear, hear.) Theie could therefore, be no doubt that those reports were painful, not only, however, as detailing the misery which existed in the union, but also as detailing the low state of morals among the people resident in the union; the frauds they had recourse to for the purpose of extorting relief, and many other matters which he thought unfit to be recapitulated in that House. There were, theref ore , many elements at work, all tending to augmeet the dis tress; and prominent amongst these were the amount of evictions which had taken place in the union; and it was the very fact of those evictions taking place which in duced the Government in 1848 . te pass the Act for the protection and relief of the destitute poor evicted from their dwellings in Ireland. The Hon. Gentleman was therefore wrong, when he accused the Government of doing nothing to shield the poor from the effects of those evictions. That Act might have failed in accomplish ing all that it was desirable it should have done, but it was adopted with the full intention of protecting the poor, and to a considerable extent it did so. The lion. Gentleman had said those evictions were carried on under the eye of the Government ; that Government stood calmly by and saw them carried out, and the poor driven helpless an-Z homeless upon the world, but the Act he had named refuted that statement; and ho would ask the House would it have been right or proper for the Government to have stepped in, and prevented those who owned the soil taking possession of it from those who persisted in occupying it without paying any rent ? —(hear, hear.) He hoped he would not give utterance to a single word that would give the least encourage ment to such a system of evictions, but he thought it un fair ou the Hon. Gentleman to charge the Government with indifference in not stepping in and adopting mea sures, which he was sure the Hon. Gentleman himself would not be prepared to sanction. As to what occur red in the Kilrush "Union during the autumn of last year, the Poor-law Commissioners considered that the elected oi guarcLaus Lad not used the dill gence they ought to have done in the collection of their rates, and they accordingly declined to afford thorn any relief from the treasury. If they had done so, he thought, from the general tenour of the Honourable Gentleman's speech, that ho would have been dissatisfied with their conduct, but in consequence of tint re fesel, the responsibility was thrown on the elected board of guardians, and the first stoppage of re lief detailed by the Hon. Gentleman had taken place; Rs to the second stoppage of relief in January last, the Poor-law Commissioners considered that the board of guardians., in causing it, had been guilty of an error in judgment rather than any desire on their part to deprive the poor of relief, and they, therefore, did not think it requisite to go to extreme measures with them. The Hoe. Gentleman had concluded by moving for the ap pointment efe. special commission on the subject. Now, he did not see to what practical benefit that would lead. Its duties could not be confined to the Kilrush union alone, but they must extend its operations to the other distressed unions; and certainly when he considered the nurnerees reports of commissions, and inspectors, and boards of guardians, which had been laid upon the table of tie House in respect of the condition of those, he did not think that much additional information could be got by appointing such a commission as that moved for. It would, in his opinion, give rise to hopes which never could be realised, and do away with that feeling of self-reliance among the people, without which they could never expect to see them attain any thing like prosperity. He would not say that any great ameliora tion in the condition of the Kilrush union had taken place, but this he would say, that the rates in that union were, now in steady course of collection; that the guardians of the poor were fully alive to their duty, and exerting themselves cordially and earnestly in the per formance of it. The rate collected in the union for the week ending the 29th of December last amounted to 732'., and had since been going on more or less increas ing. For the two months ending January last the amount collected amounted to 4,6561., so that as far as the collection of the rate was concerned matters were in a satisfactory state, and there was, besides no lack of funds in the hands of the guardians for enabling them to afford relief. There bad been from time to time large ad vances n tide to the Kilrush union from the Treasury. During the two years ending the 29th of September hst, 23,0001. had been advanced to that union, and since the 29th September 5001. had bcen advanced to the union to enable the guardians to erect an addition to the work house, which addition had been erected, and was capa ble of affording additional accommodation to 575 indi viduals. Independent of all this there was still admi nistered a large amount of out-door relief, for he found that during the week ending the 23d of February last, there were 12,470 persons on the out-door relief list. In the whole of Ireland, on the 9th of February last there were 140,000 individuals in the receipt of out door relief ; of these 15,000 belonged to the unions in the province of Connaught, and 35 to' the Kilrush union and the other unions in Clare. So far, then, as rates and workhouse accommodation was concerned matters were satisfactory, as regarded the Kilrush union, while at the same time there was an anxious desire evinced on the part of the guardians to do their duty. Ho 1 . elieved no practical result would follow if the naction were granted, and do not let them adopt a course which may be of no pos sible advantage whatever. He could assure his Hon. Friend that the Poor-law Commissioners had been watching, and would watch, the proceedings cf the Kilrush union very carefully, and the guardians who administered its affairs. They had already an able of ficer on the spot in the person of Captain Kennedy, and if they were able to discover that they did not do their duty, such steps should be taken as the necessities cf the union demanded. Mr. MON SELL said that from the latest accounts he had received the Kilrush union was getting worse instead of better, and unless the Government did something at Once the state of the population will be dreadful indeed. The assistant barrister of the court (Mr. Major,) in hold ing quarter sessions in 'rush, some few days since, said that he never witnessed such patient agony of sufferings, which were beyond human endurance. Did his Right Honourable Friend the Chief Secretary for Ireland, know that the poor in that-union were often compelled to come 16 and 20 miles for relief, and after wards allowed to go home without even having their claims investigated or receiving a single meal? What amelioration, therefore, can have occurred in the con dition of the people And if the union itself be in a better state, or the poor-rates lower, it was became the people perished from sheer starvation. Surely if such a system were to be carried on no poor•rate at all would be necessary in a short time; but he appealed to the House and to the Government, whether it was right to improve the social condition of the people, or of the union, over the graves of hundreds, and perhaps thou: ands, of their fellow-creatures. He, himself, had been over the union, though not connected with it, and so much human misery as he raw it was impossible to conceive. For miles and miles nothing could be seen but a dreary waste; nothing to be witnessed like farms or farmers, and only a few patches here and there culti vated. Let not the House imagine that the people in that locality were not good labourers, for he had been informed by Count Strelibekey that in the union of Belmurry, which was, except Kilrush, the worst part of Ireland, he bed seen 350 men employed, under the in spection cf au engineer from Plymouth, and anything like the zeal and anxiety to perform their laborious duties was never witnessed. The gentleman under whom they were employed informed the Count that, when he went into the locality, such was the miserable condition of the labouring poor that he had to teed those 350 men for a fortnight before they were able to go to work. Since then nothing could be more praiseworthy than their con duct. He thought the ordinary operations of the law ought to be suspended in that union, and the manage ment of it given to Mr. Twistleton, or Count Strelibekey, and let them apply its resources to draining, emigration, or the cultivation of the land, and charge that land with the improvements so made, in order to give em ployment to the people. Something of that kind must bo done, or the whole population would be swept away. An Honourable Friend of his, a Member of that House, had been at Kilrush, and witnessed evictions, by one or two individuals, of the most heart-rending description. A few days after being informed of what had occurred, he (Mr. Monsen) visited the locality, and in a yard, not half the size of the floor of that House, saw seven, eight, and nine persons huddled in cubing, with no bed-clothes to cover them at night, having no bed to lie ou but the cold gronnd, and scarcely any clothing to cover them in the day. Thor. poor creatures were exposed to such an accumulation of misery that he solemnly declared he thought one description sufficient to kill them. Fever raged in one or two of those cabins or sheds, and altogether it was impossible to witness without horror such a state of suffering in a Christian land. Surely neither the Govern ment nor the House would allow such a state of things to go on; and most certainly if some person was not sent down there, armed by law with abitrary and dictatorial powers for a season, and apply the labour in the district to the cultivation of the land, which was a perfect waste, the most fearful consequences must ensue.—(Hear, hear) By doing that all would bo benefittad; they would not havo to be taxed in this country for advances made; the land w ould be improved and the people saved from death. He entreated the Government not to disregard the pro positions ho had suggested, and if a commission were allowed to down there to collect informa tion, as proposed by the motion of the Honourable Member for Stroud, it would not place the Govern ment in a worse position than it was at the pr sent moment. He believed the Right Honourable Gentleman the Secretary for Ireland, could not deny that under the existing state of things in Kilrush thou sands of lives must he sacrificed if some remedy were not proposed. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that the Hon. Gentle man who had jest sat down made a speech and de scribed scenes that occurred in Kilrush that did great credit to his benevolent wishes to improve the condition of the union; but when he (Lord J. Russell) considered that the llon. Gentleman proposed what Parliament and she Government should do, he owned it appeared to him to be, if possible, a plan which would make the evil greater. What, in fact, he suggested, was this; that the people of Kilrush being in a miserable condi tion—that the landlords appearing to have grossly neg lected their duties, in ejecting and evicting the wretched tenants who had hitherto lived on means which no longer existed—that farmers being there without skill or capital to improve or cultivate the land, and were really but "scratching" the ground, as the Hon. Gentleman said, to secure a crop—that either through inability, or the fault of the poor-law guardians, they cannot obtain the smallest subsistence, and under these circumstances he proposed a plan for an alteration in a condition of things which ought not to be allowed to exist. What he proposed, then, was, that the State should step in and take the management of affairs into their hands which was usually done by individuals; that in the first place they should furnish all the necessary seeds for sowing, and the agricultural implements to sat the far mers to work; that they should advance the wages to enable men to cultivate the land properly, and having done all that, and gone to a vast expense, no doubt with the immediate benefits of producing good crops, and employing great numbers of the people, now living in a miserable way, the proprietors should afterwards come in, and enjoy the benefit of their lands, being im proved at such an expense, and the rents of persons, who had so grossly neglected their duties, increased by the state. Mr. MONSELL begged to explain that his plan was totally the reverse of what the Noble Lord stated. What he suggested was, that funds should be raised from the electoral divisions of the unions, and the amount ex pended on the land itself, so far as to give employment to the people. If the rates so assessed were not paid, part of his suggestion was that the land should be sold. Lord JOHN RUSSELL contended that that plan would not meet the evil as the lion. Gentleman pro posed. At present, as the House was aware, it was one of those unions where rates sufficient to meet the wants of the people, or for their common sustenance, had not been raised, and surely it was quite impossible that an additional rate could be levied for the purpose mentioned by the Hon. Gentleman. It was, in fact, the state un dertaking to farm the land—to do that which private in dividuals ought to do—and thereby incurring an in creased responsibility, which no state ought to incur. He (Lord John Russell) had seen very lately some letters from a gentleman who travelled in the worst parts of the west and south of Ireland, in which he stated that a spirit and exertion were evinced, and a determination to employ the people in the cultivating and sowing the crepe, highly encouraging, and which gave him very groat hope of the future improvement of the country. It was also curious enough that he alluded in these" letters to a statement of his (Lord John Russsell's) in that House, in which he alleged that many parts of Ire land were rapidly improving, a statement which he sags he deemed exaggerated when he read it, but was now convinced, frost what passed under bis own eye, that it was just and accurate. But if that House were to say, here was a union in which persons grossly negleet:d to perform their duties ; that union, however, shall he T ` a special fetid, nod the state shall undertake to improve the farms, set uld they not say in other unions that it %cies no ire or them to exert themselves wh en those who neglected tl dr duties were much better treated by au state.—(Bear, t ay l b . 7 ( u hioa i r, hear.) a .) , The plan proposed b y oenthe nee. mgioseod y effectfar in at e p ule soeunttt—s it bu ip t a r allay wretchedness and t would result in the infliction of more serious iejilry, not only to Kilrush, but other dis t r essed ed rs o r unions in Ireland. who would expect to be reat in a similar manner. He regretted deeply th e misery and wretcheduess which existed ; but he must soh what be was obliged to repeat, that there were cars tain exertions and certain duties to be performed which ougl t not and cannot be left to any Legislature or any Government, duties of landlords and t s nants on e to another, and both to the labourers by whom thel should be employed; and if these are not sufficient l y performed, no Legislature nor Government can perform them. There was, however, a change now goings °,ll under the operation of the Encumbered Estates 11°,. passed last session, which, if extended to the lifiruso union, and if it so happened that estates in that district could be sold under it, he believed, considering that o superabundant population did not exist there, that CS thei pitalists would find labourers quite ready to give best exertions for nothing more than a fair and 0'1;45 rate remuneration. He believed that that Act won make a great change in the social condition of Irelanci;, but he did not think that such a remedy as that prorashe, by the Honourable Member for the county Lt e rei, that the lands in the union of Kilrush WITS be cultivated at the expense of the state, 1 ° f , do nothing more than not a very bad example , al l ",f a s fered a mischievous precedent hereafter, which, ies* -- s of improving, would make things much worse in vas parts of Ireland. Fri • e nd Mr. HORSNIA,N being alluded to by his Ilo n. the Member fur the county of Limerick, would sY b -- 0 few word:. It was certainly his m i s fortune te Le , present at certain scenes in Kilrusb, and he verily Pot lieved, that if they travelled Europe th would n find such h, concentration of miser o y as beey w itnessed °. that occasion. The Right Ilon. Gentleman the See r h e n tray of State fn. Ireland said that one•fourth of t money advanced to the distressed unions in Ireland SvP, given to Clare, and was not that a sufficient proof r e: the extent of misery which existed. The at the head of the Government observed, that if they acceded to the proposition of his Hon. Friend, tbe st: would to taking that upon itself which properil i ," e s i longed to indisiduale. But were they not doing lousy and day, by advancing money to the distressed not' and even to Kilrush ut that very moment? SY l V e lli rd then, step one . cf the ordinary course, ae u The relief . to this distressed part of the country? ring Right Hon. Gentleman said they would be interrelife with the rights of property; but was not hums° of more value? And if they went back to firs t ~P;der Noble Lo ciplee, was human life to be sacrificed ie 6 ] d oe to protect property? His Hon. Friend proposed t° tee the union in a state of commission, that inasmu ch 1/ " sia te landlords had grossly neglected their duty, th e " - For ought to step in and save the lives of the peeP le s ' tb° his own part he believed from the beginning I P % 110 motion would not be acceded to by the Goverueuell" c ii • believed his Hon. Friend's purpose was to raise stat e mission, but something should be done to remove s a tbe of things which was a reproach to that House an d t° • count Mr . dtve ry HUME agreed in the general principles e as by the Noble Lord, but was it not worth their svP•Tee money was already advanced, to obtain the fulles t il! alien as to why so much distress prevailed in that tlnic ' ; His Hon. Friend said that so much distress did O t A i eli r i s , in the civilized world, and ought they not, as ere-te-rn it to have an examination made cn the spot, to ssc er k e e ser the landlords were in such a condition as to give sold' to the people, and if not, that the lands shoul' ue , ft e That he considered was a legitimate course to be to for when information was obtained, the Goverlle would be in the same condition as they now w ere ' Go' therefore' hoped e Noble Lord at the head of the the vernment would grant the commission prayed for by motion of his Hon. Friend. leas° Colonel DUNNE belived that no one in the "se )lav ed would refuse the commissions if they hoped or hea it would do any good. But what was its objee s l ' tb° the first place, to obtain facts. He submitted tu it- sreal House was already in possession of sufficient facts roo d the report of the board of guardians and of th, e , the jury, and that no commission whatever could au"; ate ea information of the House. As to the presen t s ' e diea the union, the second object was to devise r ete , n e bti They had already had many remedies devised wil`r o tes not been acted upon, and others which had h` ^ „, most injuriously. One of these remedies wa s ' "-et ten the management of the poor out cf the holl" s r alsl 3 e; landlords, and to put it in the hands of paid f a iled This had been the case in Kilrush itself, and hg" - 01 5 ad° to do any good. One proposition which had beell_sieel by an Hon. Member he altogether dihsented from of confiscating the property of the landlords. 'PI, Or fords of Ireland had no more right to have l! le : 1 ;ifor 0 , n perty taken from them in that way than the se of this country. Nor were they, as a body, the csutirelf that pauperism which it was proposed to sadd le e upon them, even to their ruin. sole Lord NAAS concurred in much that bad bile ° , i lia the Noble Lord, but, at the same time, seeing th e ]ail; were not called upon to institute an expensive on"„aeses system of relief; but merely to inquire into the ;der l ° which had produced such gigantic misery, i ll o. e - ifill s ; outer i ub n r ee r a L ee soo a r i ud n r s ch t e - e.s s l dtuoeohut thataa n yu m n o hi motion.— ro r i e rre s devise means for its removal, he did not feel hie' e ar.) t r l i f e fi l a i e d e d f the f i r n o na v N o tb the spring advanced, he should not have voted motion. "- s ores' Lord J. RUSSELL—I did menti on various °- from whence reliefmight be hoped for. sl 'O4 l / Lord NAAS had understood the Noble Lo rd to look for this relief from the operation of li e le fatg le which had been recently passed, and not from Bee e ioo°' or direct intervention on behalf of the sufferi n g and despairing of these producing such an sol'e"°- el, be of the existing distress as was imperatively reeler.) should feel it his duty to support the motion.--s( ~d Sir G. GREY said the Noble Lord opposite bayed support of the motion entirely on his despair I h ie ci°l the Government produce any particuiar an‘ites—ersl;°: m if e t a h s a u t re w fo a r s t a he relief n pe, reasonableo f the arb n ii n i d l r e u n s h lc u , i c O b il s ' - ' OA - rito r i t yg ; measure which he himself believed would h a e "„ e ef th because it would raise expectations on the psi, eill lo '' people who were now sunk in the deepest rniserlnly could not be fulfilled, and therefore would be °- ee et ° • gravating the evil they all deplored. With j r°s it /1 1 the motion of the Hon. Member for Strom', to co'" in o r brought forward on two grounds, first, lect information; and second, to devise rese ed ]d h av e would ask it it was possible that the House con 0 more explicit information or fuller details thee red' which were already before the House from vor i°ll red , i$ tors; and if any further information was reglil te °°' was not necessary to appoint a special Governolcochr; mission to procure it.—(Hear, hear.) As t ° , t „, e ber l° S they had in the House the Honourable 31eresr; Limerick, who was well acquainted with Oa' 6 0 clt e l; the country, and the Honourable Member O r 0 0,0' 4 mouth, who had been an eye-witness of tb° e g e assi ° , ll l; which existed in it. He would say that at/ es st l FS' e aro"; as to remedies that might be made by these ri° - t b e ep ee Gentlemen would be much more valuable tile ° ,ere j u tf t nions of a Commissioner sent down to i sT e c t - bleL ° s 's these matters by the Government. But the l' h ° lo pit' s said be should support the motion, se his N°",i s t (Lord John Russell) had not promised any oli c ; ce sso lv a sure for the Kilrush union. True, CO suc h litt lie s s were contemplated, but his Noble Friend thelle sod, he thought, that there was ample ground for r pe sso u i the operation of the measures they bad aire a ,Zev; b tie et l and which were calculated to extend emplej prosperity throughout the whole of the coullt r Y . eove r f th o r been generally agreed that one great cause t he 1 vO 5 e and want of employment, was to be found ie unable t ° 6P'_4 e l ' sion of the land by owners who were aev P eeu cll those who live upon it, and were surrounded retectes ary difficulties; and further, that the onlY w 5 Y, 00 ioc e u so that wt's, by selling the l an d free from tir t beSe brances, and letting it pass into the hands e' cor: le r had capital, arid who were willing to emploY that th l i eo in the improvement and cultivation of th e ra j, 9° and, , ia that opinion the Government had peer „ es Ac the Parliament had passed the Encumbered 1? from order to effect a legal release of eete te9 o spio u :set • possession of those who had neither th°llsir o pea perhaps, the will to employ labour, and t i l o t Ig oe to those who had both.—(Hear, hear.) t oe O, in important measure, and should be allot - so u l , fate * or rate before any premature judgment aS to ni l be ol oSt tha t fluersce on the country was arrived at. ' s ot W i ge s 'e by portant and essential measure cf improvers be " 0 0 the - labour should be employed, arid it ough t `T r enc t l t reo h e , voluntary agency, not by the direct interT i 0 . P ro penw Government.—(Hear, hear.) Bet th e ~ ° o o° % o wh ° fur Montrose appeared to wish that ;P O O / thr's should step in and confiscate the property had not paid the poor rates. seetle t e Mr. HUME—No, no. her g° lll re *ou Sir G. GREY—WeII, then, the es°` i l i e 01**,:tellel be he (Sir G. Grey) meant, that by eye tb ° the Encumbered Estates Act those pr o p w ho l'" s eos° means of employing labour, gradually transferred to new proprietors, oa Ro c t he improvements on which the real Pr °L3 ll, lioe o por t country must depend.—(Hear, bear.) dto sii htbs i? and setting' a m tb° Noble Lord opposite would not be indtl ee t was e d, the motion by any idea that the Governaint. eeis t° oi er indifferent to the amount of distress whisrther 11 r° that they were not going to propose tot cou ld 56 : .a V sures when these might be required. 1 "_ o s als° i o ta him that such was not the case. And he mums et ror sis lt the liberty to correct what he considered "",,s to t" aro tots e' which the Noble Lord had fallen. lie! we re sot i s that the resources of the Kilrush tOO% s e ct; et exhausted. That did not appear to be l t ' ee ratl" A 0 ° C it were, the estates would come ceder off the Encumbered Estates Act, and would thug ° s e ? alteration for the better. art of . e 4)t)' thought there was a disposition on the.pa had ro !jells vernment to underrate the difficulties theYsusictee Mr. 11. HERBERT supported the motion' beca ies `a °° tend with in Ireland. This was no dona,ol"ileeethtiere on their part, but it was not less true. -t .s u mer, but a h, Baronet opposite was a gre at property te i ;h l ; im p , r b Yl oi S were districts in Ireland which, so districts resource t Y e°. so far received no relief, but the t _ s _ he ee % sou , the ii ste- uoi c ' e were so much diminished that before this they would, unless assisted, be found laden ti l° , os sie es these he mieht , were growing worse. There were w/rsvhic4e runt unions. Among t Wee v" • e the P f Ho quite understood the difficu . d that ls ee aric; ° Noble Lord had to deal, but he believe the "'" it oc . it did now, in tb law was left to operate, ashe W as /. 00 00 of Listowel, to which ho had called thttenthotnia lawsiliech Listowel and Clonturk, with whicil __ e Co edit' Q v/ quaiuted, it would reduce them to the st_u_t ed fo r 5 circa Kitrush. While on this subject be wished b e e rec ei f e e moments to draw attention to a WWI I goober contradicting the statements of the THE SUN, LONDON, FRIDAY EVENING, MARC 8, 185, ..-....