The Sun. — London, England, 1851-05-20 00:00:00

gifl i. tev 4, to it' SUN OFFICE, Seven o Clock. THE LATE FATAL CATASTROPHE IN GRACECHURCII-STRE.E CORONER'S INQUEST.—(THIS DAY.) (Continued from our Afternoon Edition.) Mr. W. Parsons, solicitor of Charing-cross, sa id, that about six months ago he went throup,h the build ing, a c • companied by the clerk of the works, and pointed out the insufficiency of the girder; he was not, however, pro fessionally acquainted with such works. Mr. J. Montague, surveyor for the Graeechurch-street district, said.he had visited the buil ding both before and since the accident, but could not assign any reason for it. The walls to all appearance were sufficiently strong, and built in accordance with the pr .visions of the Act. Ho had felt perfectly satisfied, be cause Mr. Bell had as large and extensive an experience in large buildings as almost any one could have. W. Glasfieid sa i d he was on the gr oun d fl oor a t th e time of the accident, about five yard s f rom th e pl ace w here the part fell in. He thought that the girders fall ing in brought down the rest of the building. Frederick Ma; h ere said he was e m pl o y e d as a car penter on the building, and was there at the time of the accident. A soon as be heard the noise, which had a matting sound, he ran to the back and escaped nut into Lombard-street. Mr. John - Danner, contractor, said he had been over the building about a quarter of an hour before the ac cident, and everything was then perfectly site. H© was just speaking to Perry, who was at work at the crat.- crane, when he heard a rumbling noise at.d a crack. He got out of danger by scrambling through Brown s window next door. Had always doubted the strength of the iron girders on the staircase; did not know why, but fancied they were too weak. Mr. Trees, the architect, had visited the building since the accident, and saw no cause to doubt the walls being sufficiently strong and sub..tanoial. were of a sufficient thick/lees for conerwe floor. Could assign no crane for the accident, though the breaking of the upper girder would be quite sufficient. Thought s nine inch wall quite thick etteush; and these walls were well, tied together, which was probably toe reason of their all coming down together. Mr. Ashpitet, architect end surveyor, said he had viiti!ed the btrlditg ova SAurtiay evening, and hid ro doubt OA the cause of the accident was some flaw en the girder, in'.ght have b.fen occasioned tu tie casting by .all the ruetal nut peifectly filling the m ou ld , oc sand getting in to it, or, the motel not coo li ng e vesly. lie h a d expz es , .-41 this opinion before the girder wns found, and when found it proved that there was a flew 2 inche s lun g in the lower &qr. Tae girder might h.vt , 11,7.eil properlytestEd, but iit some cases gieder.4 the;, hvi h?c.n teiteti to bear 6 tons would break %villa a load cif half a ton. 311 r.. Bell said that the wklls referred to had been exanaiud, and nut ihe ele htcsi defea; in the foundation had barn discovered. Mr. ' , ,Vouc:tllorpe, ia:veyor, stid that the walls were.suilio:ently wctl run up, and bad not fali‘n from any (lac:et:oy in the found:l3ton. The brickwork was good. and vai Ls soa . t.cl any in the Mr. C. T. Corbett laid th,: the VOL' hal been sup plied by Mr. Ford, anit a c-rtitli.r..it4) of its baying be.n Lewd ha 1 heat wi:k ir. 2.linhael &Area :a7d 80T.e lime Up a laddar the am, wi t , (l Cue aeoident, happened. Heard a en aLti our.:! h,VrY part &f tha wails bhakifig bo then threw clown his load and made his 2zeo of the ideLtiii:mtion of the b,dies haviDg• been rif•xt • Tte Cononvu briefly summed up the evidence, and the jury, atter '.iacing noticed fir a bhort time, returned a n d dpii iere d t u t : lot.owirAg • 4 We i.re unani,Lou-.ly of that the deceased, Matthew etniner, Timothy amchuv, Jame* iiarrighn, Martin Cronin, and Vitiha.a ilaudl, , y met with their death from the Suring of part ot the building erecting on the site of tho late Cro,s Keys flote), Gracechurch street, which cpp,ars by tad evidence to have been caused ty the accidental breaking of one o 1 the iron girders." In answer to a Ttestion ( tom a juror xvit'a reverence to toe h.,ardlng bOcro the Mr. C. Press= said he wield cr•mutunicnte wif.4, the eiV surveyor en the eubjce7, and nu doubt, if it were unneeer,lry, it would be removed. We are . roinuaird to state that the profeßsional gentle men engaged in the ire iry have come to a resolution expressing their great npprreitition of the set vices and exertions of the fOreInSTI and workmen ein?loyed, and tes:i'ying their admiration et :heir condmlt in aiding in o.xtricAtion of the tinforzuna!t, sufferers; also bearing witness to, the cxnelic ca Of the plion arrang:-Inents. RAILWAY TR A FlilC RE LIMN. GLASGOW AND SOUTH- WESTERN RAILWAY. - Traffic for the Week enuing May 17, 18:11 : Passengers (22,912), Goods, &c., vnd Horses and Carriages ... £3,725 3 9 Corresponding week la6t year for Glasgow and Ayr and Glas gow, Pumfries, and Carlisle Rail ways Glasgow, May 12, 1851. ... £3,323 9 9 IMPERIAL PARLIA3IENT. (THIS EVENIAG.) HOUSE OF LORDS. Their Lordt.hips met a; flair-past Four. ROYAL COMMISSION. The Royal Az,riat was given this afternoon, by Com mission, to tile Exchequer-MN Bill, the Ind,rnrity Bill, the Apprentic-2a end t!itrwants Bill, Heathcote's Divorce Bill, and 24 other Prii , st:B B;11s. The Royal Commissioners wele the Lord Chancellor, the Earl of Carlisle, and Earl Mioto. Their Lordships tbeu aj.,urned during pleasure. Their Lordship,: resumed at Flve CRIMINAL LAW AMENDMENT BILL. Lord d4LIP.I3ELL said thAt Noble and Learned Friend (Lori Lyndlier . st)and biteseli had gone through the Administration of Criminal Justice Bill and the Preven tion of Off.2nces Bill, end haviug received some Tellable information from Lord Denman on the subject, had *greed to certain amendments, and he would propose that the Bills should be cumeaitt d and th-.) aterutiorks iritrodec4, and that the Bill shuuld be reprinted with .the emend ments. _ , Lord LYNDHURST acceded to t t eourte proposed. tre to etrea that it Lord CAMPBELL had taceieed isiii4 t r:l s e.nd and would be desirable to escend the portions of them to Scotland. With regard the lacer ° he thought that would be better dize by and of a separate BiA, which Bill he would introduce. ueti" The Bills as amend , d pawed through Committee. PE TI TI9NS. The Esrl of EN: , ..TISKILLEN presented several peti tions egainet Pepsi :gores-ion. The Earl ef .Hellllt 0 I,VBrpresen:ed several petitions to the same , ff . Cr ' L od THE KAFIR COIIL'ISSION. f .1- WIIA RNCLIEFE ash ei i';' the Noble Secretary , z the COlceaiea could explain the reasons which hat, 'oed* Government to appo.:et a Commission to proceedcause of " ihe Caee of Good Bole) to ,inquire into the motion o c f _ t'e Kefir war, aster they bad opposed a Sonya of ice appointment of such a ComesisSion in the - COUlssutis ? spr t i r u l tra q e li ti E t Y a S a 6 a fl that it was perfectly true that the the Cap e • a_ been Curn . taiesioe of Inquiry to proceed to the groan% haddtbat ' ejected to by the Government on would interfere with the functions of the colony, but as a grant of money would be applied for to conduct 08, 7 471 Kafir i war, a Committee of Inquiry Was prop n the House of Commons in order to show the necessity ueswh fur such expenditure. Him self and his collea t thon thought had opposed the Commis- eon of Inquiry y e 6 ' that some further assist ance ought to be rendered tto was appointed governor Smith. When Sir H. Pottinger a governor of that colony, be was also appointed her al Commissioner to the affairs of the border triiisPetfs Harry Smith what was now received. the same appointment, '.-:,;, d Bir not atti t, Commissioners intended was to appoint two Assistant polle;thlYa d a b e ee ° n uira so is w si e ° ll to Sir Harry &Leith. It Was of inquiry; he thought that the considered, that no inquiry would lead r e , whioalapplica it; but although the general principle A 4n Y claaa g e a o the in intervention almost universally concerned, yet the practical policy were tion of that policy gave rise w dif fi culties only be got rid of • through the 01) 0 0111d the authorities on the spo t,. and these Com missioners were to decide at once upon the conflicting rights of eo l a i . tending parties on matters of which Sir E. Smith, wh ose whole time was taken up in his attention to the Govern_ meat and to his military duties, could not possibly take cognizance without the assistance of other Commis sioners. The Aviistan—Commiesieners were gentlemen who were well acquainted with the cou ntr y . One of them, ior Hogg,had taken an active part i n the late Kafir war, and tee other Mr. Owen, had resided in the colony a considerabl e time, and . was acquainted with the Kafir language. Lord WR&RN ee 1 RE objection to preclueeuthE - - mission ? asked if there would be any Earl GREY w ° ol,l te e th e"' that the his Noble Friend should not move for al ee „.. .... produce it svith taaVY°l Commission, but be would period as possible. papers relating thereto at as early a The Earl of ELLENB(stOLFGd noble Earl would render thought that the him 2 pea afore arrY Smith more assist ance by fending int too Commieeioners. 6irna s t o l ldi ers than by send position of gre a t military den 'Y Smith wee in a tiger, feud all Uons should he thrown overhe ar l . , civil cees id era e Earl GREY said reinforcements bad he en sent and other reinferetments :were pr ei „ r i te though he was perf ectl y aware ,_!. and ai ' ceeeity o f . m iii tar y strength, Ile _thoughtl the ne- that it was also advi s able to provide for entering into ref„,,-out with the Klfir tribes, eo as t o p reserve . t hose tribes in their allegiacce who were ftaithful to W.. The Earl of ELLENBOROUL4H knew something o f the doings of what WCIEI caked peliticele, and they oaten interfered - with great danger to the military. liapea,,,, had said that ore indiffere _ tier than , hree good ones if they differ 4. ' ' - -.> had ono goo d genera!, and he sea p 1 la i. 4 assistants to thwart hire. r , *, ...0 ,, Y --• GREY • ' ' ; ' V/v. 4'14 %-fi' l '' .::', ll_ Earl GREI. said egis , 4 riii 64 p ' sesista.uts, to act under Sir ilarry'Smith3 -- I , l4 ; i mi team that even' the Emperor .NeE2feerih 4.7 ' ' , id of hb:e assistants. . .. :. . _ isio '' ' , ; l :').7 - 4 0 , : . re - - The sutject aces - 7-OE-0 -.."'- ". ~, tw r t ri . ; • - REGISTRATI - Lord CAMPBELL, Ikr report of the Select Committee on this Bill, would narrate to the House the history of the proce , Ci, gs before that Committee. (LEFT SPEAKING.) HOUSE OITCOMMONS. The SPEAKER took the Chair shortly before Four o'clock. THIRD READING. The East Lanewhire Railway Bill was read a third time and pmved. CONSIDERLTION OF BILLS. The following Bills were considered and agreed to: Birmingham Improvement. Balton, Blackburn, Clitheroe, and West Yorkshire Railway. Manchester and Salford Extension Railway. Malmesbury Turnpike Roads. Thames Haven Duck and Railway. Wavaney Valley Railway. Warrington and Aitrinch-Am Junction Railway. PETITIONS. Mr. J. O'BRIEN presented a petition against the Ecclesiastical Titles Bill. Mr. MASTERMAN presented a petition from the inhabitaats of Dalaton against the removal of Smith field-market, and praying to be heard by counsel against the Government Bill. ROYAL COMMISSION. Mr. Pullman, the Yeoman 17,,her of the Black Rod, appeared at the tc.bleand summoned the House to attend at the bar of the Lords to hear the Royal assent given by Commission to sev eral public and private Bills (for which see Lords' report). The SPEAKER, on his return, announced the names of the Bills to which the Royal assent had been given. THE SUN, PETITIONS. Alderman COPELAND presented a petition from the mß rchants of Van Diemen% Land, prayi ng f or t h e die continu,ree of transportation to that cclony. Mr. MURPHY presented a petition from Cork against the Ec:desiastical Tides Bill. Mr. WCULLAGH presented several petitions from Ireland rn the same effect. Mr. EILTME presented a petition from Montrose, com plaining of the duty on spirits imported from Scotland. C4t.t D LIN DAS presented a petition from ticotland praying for the 6 valitation of the duty on homemade bp,rits. Mr. U. GIBSON presented petitions from Manchester and London against ibe s•amp . duty on n6wsrapere. NEW W RIT. Oa the motion of Mr. HAY r ER. a now writ was for file borough of Harwich, in the room of Mr. PcinEep, whose Plecton bad been deciar , d void. POOR LAW (IRELAND). Mr. REYNOLDS gave noiice that on the sth of June he would move an addret.a to her Mtlesty for the ap pointment of a Commission to inquire Into the adminis _ , rst.on of the law for the relief ( - frf the destitute in the provinces of Ulster and Connaught. THE " DERBI" DAY. Major BERESFORD moved that the House at its rising should adjourn until Thursday. _Yee the last few ears the H- use had always had a holiday on the Derby. day, and he saw no reason why they should not adopt the same rule.—(Laughter.) There was no bu siness whatsoever on the parer, and he trusted the House .ould agten to hi motion, not so much for the convenience of M; mbers as for the officers, who M :lit re main in weer - id:awe during the whole day if the House sat.—(Hear, and Isughter.) He saw more reason for the House ogre -jog to the adjournment over to-morrow, as they would be deprived or one holiday this year in con k quence of the Queen's birthday fatting on a Saturday. Mr. HUME rose, amidst cries (I "Oa and laughter," and said he could not congratulate himself on the success which had attended his opposition. for the last few years, to the motion of 2 , tijourianent. Eis object in wishing the 'Tease to sit to-morrow was to enable him to ask the Noble Lord at she head of the Woods and Forests who had induced him to allow a ' tido" to be made its Kensinejen-gardens, which had . always been preserved for pedestrians and plebeians. He bed no ob jecion to horses going to late "Derby ;" hut he was strongly opposed to their entering these gardens— (Laughter)—but he would not put the House to the in coevenience of dividing on the present Sir J. PAKINGTON thanked the Noble Lord for his kindness in affording convenience to the public to t.-,ke equestrian exercise in Kenaington-garde ns. He cuff.-red his thenka to the Gevernment for the ac comtroiation of allowing him to ride in Kensington gardene. Mr. W. PATTEN nisoprcsented his achmowkdgments the Government for the sarno boon. Lord SEYMOUR contended :hat the interest of the publie was best consulted by the lirrangetwnt that had been madr, fur there conkl be no doubt that when the charge of cdnafsiion to the Exbibidon was reduced the crowd would be so great that many of the horsemen would be driVen from the park. Sir E. 13UXTOY, as one of those who both walked and rode in the perk, was rejoiced that the change had teen caul-, for it bad proved a great coevenienee to the public,_ without itjuting anybody t u t th ose w h o w i s h e d to ra , tke the gurchns a private lounge of their own. The motion for the adjournment of the House was then agreed to. ENNIS WORKFIOUSE. Mr. REYNOLDS wiklacd to ask the Chief Secretary f,:x Ireland a question respecting the general manage• met t of the Ennii Union Workhouse, county of ClarP, and whether he was c.wern that the number of inmates in that workhouse during the week ending the 33 day of lay ine.unt war, 915, and the deaths during that week arcionvAeJ to G 3, and that the workhouse VOZ3 so over c“3iNdecl, that several applicants were refused admission? Sir W. SOMERVILLE said the number of the clew hs the Eon. Member had mentioned was perfectly correct, but he greatly understated the numh-r of inmates, for, on the 3d of May, instead of there being 915 there were no less than 4.782 inmates in the workhouse. Mr. REYNOLiia aEled whether the numbers the Hon. B .roan; had named were not taken from the Clare Journal, the proprietor of which was one of the guar dians? Sir WILLIAM SOMERVILLE knew nothing of the Care Jounzal He took his figures from the returns vihieh he then held in hip hand. DISTRESS IN SCOTLAND. In rcply to Nir. COW4N, Sir GEORGE GREY stated that a Commissioner who bad been down to inquire into The cawe and extent of the ditreas prevailing in the *western islands of Scot land was now prepsring a report of the result of his encuiries. The name of tha commissioner was Sir John PORT EDEN. In reply to Lord MAHON, Mr. WILSON stated that information had been re ceived from Port Eden of the murder of a British officer by an Arab, but there was nothing connected with the attack which could give it a political tinge. TRANSPORTATION TO VAN DIEMEN'S LAND. Sir W. .MOLESWORTH then rose, pursuant to notice, to move an humble address to the Throne, pray. ing for the discontinuance of transportation to Van Diemen's Land. The Hon. Baronet commenced his ad dress by referring to a petition which had been presented from the colonists on the subject, and insisted that the • preo:nt system was being carried on in direct violation of a promise which Sir Robert Peel's Government made to ' the colony. Some few years ago a resolution was passed by t ,a House giving the Secretary of State power to add Van Diemen's Land to the penal settlement of New South Wales, and it was under that resolution that transportation to the colony was now carried en. When Sir W. Denison went to the colony in 1847 he is sued a circular requesting the inhabitants to state whether they were iu favour of the abolition of trans portation to the colony, and the unanimous answer which they gave was in tee affirmative. Great was the joy of the colonists when he subsequently announced that the practice of transportation would 'cease and be discontinued. It was said Sir William Denison had exceeded his authority in making this announcement, but be had never been re prinlanded by the Colonial-office, nor dismissed from his situation of Governor. By not disavowing the pro ceedings of Sir William, the Government had virtually committed a breach of good faith. On locking over the dispatches sent from the Colonial-office, he found many expressions which were calculated to impress him with the belief that it was the intention of the Government to discontinue transportation to Van Diemen's Land, and if he bad misinterpreted them they ought to have in structed him to that effect, and not allowed him to make a grave promise which it was not intended to keep. The arrival of the Neptune at Van Diemen's Land with a cargo of convicts wus the first intimation which the colonists received that transportation was yet to be continued by the Colonial-office. The whole population of the island, from the highest to the lowest, wore still utterly opposed to the system of transportation. The report which had been circulated to the con trary was incorrect, as was proved by the petitions Presented by public meetings in the island against the system. If it were continued they felt that jts consequence would be the utter destruction of all socest older in the colony. The majority of the Population wag convict; and whoever desired to form a ciikirnehoild must select it from the lowest orders, former 1 Pockets, burglars, and prostitutes. CLEFT SPEAKING.) MAIIIKE T (From the L on INTELLIGENCE. SUGAIL—To-cil e dolt .New Price Curreti May 20.) Y Er part of both grocer "as some relfftance on the Pd ,swasere more disposed to sell, and 162 hhde, e l s 7 ale India Sugar. importeo.rand refiners to operate in West tbe business transact, prices 6d per cwt under 41s 6d to 428 4 61 864 hbds hhds, &c., those of Friday. The puiche a : includhrg at auction 6d per cwt lower, $7..g00d 39s 6d to Thrbadoes, which went flatly and fully and 244 barrels goad to fine fine yellow selling at 41e, middling 38s to 394 low 37s to6d, brown 35s to 365; 24 barrels St liitL'l6 6d; and 5 ditto Antigua at 35s per cwt. brown 35a R E FINED.—To -day Refined Sugar WWI purchase d it caution for home consumpti on, and prices are on tho w d il cline, ruling at 48 3 to 48 s 6 d for brow n lumps , e - • Crushed Sugar is dull of sale with free sePers at former term s . EAST L.:DlA.—This afternoon Beogal Sugar attracted little attention, and prices gave way 6d per cwt. The enief portion of 4,370 bags at auction found buyers, middling to good white Benorcs v ent at 40s 6d t o 41 s 6d, low 381 68 to 40s, damp 37 s to 41s, fine g rain y 3ellow 433 6d . to 448, Mauritius tort 35s to 38s, tine 39s to 435. Madras bas become dull of sale, acd easier rates are taken. Of 6,000 bags at auction a :mall Spy t Part. only sold, soft brown at 28s 6d to :30s, end yellow b uy ; l °. 346 . Of 524 begs Penang a part only feu d __ -, ordinary w hi te 40s t o 40 s 6d, and clamp 385 6d Lr au s 6cl. 01 C I 36,?, 6d ii , 3 ..,... ; e 3 OD 1.573 bags and 138 boxes realised low 34 3 to 85i 64 for middling soft greyish yellow and - Mani-al l . . P " " I. . . ,-- , _ t13.--I h 5 . .Or alauriciii3 Sugar -1 afternoon the &mud was liixited went at rather :an the public sales .of 17901 begs lower Meal gocci to fine yellow belling at LON DON, TUESDAY EVENING. 394 61 to 403 6d, nit:Ming 37; 6d to 393, low 36s 6d to 375. and fin , -. brown 353 to 363 per cwt. FOREIGN.—To-day the private operations were upon a small scale in Foreign Sugar. At auction 2,700 bags brown Pernambuco were taken in at 34s 61 to 37s 6d for ordinary fine; 1,100 bags white at 40; 6d to 41s for good; but 80 cases damaged Babia were sold at reduced terms— brown 30s 6d to 35s 6d, yellow 36; to 37s 6d, and ordi nary white 383 to 393 per cwt. MOLASSES —Prices are not lower for West India; there has, however, been only a limited business con cluded. The purchases are 150 puns Antigua at 16s 6d to 17s, and email parcels of other sorts of West India at 14s to 15; 61. The value of Bengal and Matiritius is 12; to 13:f, but there are few buyers. Of Cuba 213 hhds and 37 trcs at auction were taken in at 153. Ot Honey the supply is more plentiful, and there are sellers at lower rates. Prices continue to Pule low for Tamarinds. COFFEE.—This afternoon Native Ceylon Coffee was not effored at any further decline; but little business done privately. At auction the sound of 696 bags were taken in at 40s for ordinary, but the damaged sold at 32s to 38s. Holders of Plantation are reluctant to sell at lower terms, but dealers operated with caution. Of 574 casks and 616 bags at public sale about half sold, very superior went at 74s to 755, fine 60; to 65s 6d, middling to good 52s to 58s, low mid dling 49; to 51s, other sorts 42s to 48s, ordinary triage 401 to 425. Of Mocha 45 bales were withdrawn. In other sorts of Coffee there was little passing. Cocos.—This afternoon a public sale of 300 bags Trinidad Cocoa prices gave way 2s to 33 per owt, good red selling at 44s to 45; and ord grey 35s 6d to 38s 6d per cwt. TEA.—To-day the public sales of China Tea went cff flatly and of 6,420 pkgs passed, only 1,100 sold at easier rates. Of Assam, however, 817 pkgs all found buyers at full rates. Congou went at 15 2d to is 3id, Souchong Is 6i to 2s 40, Flowry Pekoe 3s 6d to 45 2d, and Oraoge ditto 24 Id to 2s 3d. RICE.—To-day East India Rice met with little atten tion, and rather lower rates were taken. At public sale 1,364 bags B , ngal sold at 8s 6rl to 9s for mid to good mid white. one lot 9s 6d, damaged 7s 6d to 8s 6d. Of Madras 1.922 bags were only in part disposed of pearl barley 7s 6:1 to Bs, mid and good pinky 7s 61 to Bs, da magz•l 6s to 7s. Of Sago 805 boxes were in part sold at 19s to 19. 6d for mid and good mid small pearl, and fine white rather large at 235; 681 bags Sago Flour taken in at 14s 6d. SPICES.—To-day Pepper was dull of sale, and at auc tion 1.741 bags Malabar were nearly all taken in at 31 for 11,11 i heavy. Pimento is less in request and nathrr cheaper, at auction 153 bgs selling at 44ti to 4id. Of Jamaica Giooer 40 pkgs sold at 67s to 80 5 for e ra to mid —these arc "'nitrates. Of Nutmegs 6 cases sold at 2s 3d to 2s 51 for mall brown, and 4 cases Mace at 2s to 2s Id for thirds. Sriarre—Leeward Lind Rum is cheaper, limited purchsses hsving been made at Is 5d to is 6d per gallon proof, and for errival there are sellers rather under these terms. East India has been operated in with caution, altriougb obtainable at ls 44 proof. Demerara remains, dull of sale, with sellers at 2s to 2s 3d for 30 to 40 over proof. Although Jamaica can be obtained at a further :eduction, shippers and home dealers operate with cau tion, whilst tht re are sellers of low and mid quality 30 tip 34 per cent over proof at 2s 3,1 to 2s 7d, good mid and good 33 to 38 over 23 8d to 3s 4d, en,i fine 33 5d to 4s. Brandy continues to attract little attention, and stock to increase ; Cognac, best brcnds of the vintage of 1850 is offered at 48 4d to 4s 6EI, 1849 di to 4-; 6d to 4s Bd, 1842 ditto 43 8d to 4s 10d, 1847 ditto 53 3d to 53 sd, and inferior sorts at 2s 6d to 43. Geneva remains at is 7d to is Bd, and fine is 9d to 23, but little ha; been done. The British Spirit trade is inactive at 93 8d to 93 9d nett cash, and Gin at 83 31 for 22 per eclat over proof. INDIGO.—The quarterly public sale of East India ter mieeted this day. The quantity declared for sale was 7.578 chests in the A, and 2,205 in the C catalogue, making a total of 9,883 chests, of which 400 have not been printed, leaving the quantity to be brought for ward 9 482 chests. SALTPETRE.—To-dv rough Saltpetre met with greater att., ntion for all porposee. At auction 1,064 bags Madras sold at 243 to 24s 61 for mid and good 221 to 174 per cent. refraction, 1,200 bags Calcutta; ord and mid 114. to 141 per cent. 24s 6d to 253, and good 4,i to 51 at 26. 6d to 27s 6d per cwt. COCHINEAL—This afternoon the public sales of 200 bgs Cochineal went off flatly, and at id decline; Hun dual silvers sold at 3s to 3s 8d for low to good. ord Mexican and black 33 4d to 31 7d per lb. Of Bengal Saffl Aver 300 bls sold at 2/ to 8123 6d, and 210 chts Lac Dye mostly taken in, Native marks 7d to 9id, and factory Is 7d to is Bd. TALLOW.—Tioe stock of Colonial and Foreign remains heavy, exceeding. that of last year by 10,000 casks; the consumption continues to tail off, aud prices have again given way. On the spot there are sellers or fine new yellow Russian at 37s to 37s 6d, and of old at 35s 6d to 36s 6d; still operations have hem upon a small scale. 'ere has been little di s position to transact business fee delivery; and 38s to 38s 31 is the value of new. for last three months of the year. Home melted is cheaper, and offered at 36s to 36s 61 net cash, yet transactions have been small. Ocher sorts of Tallow met with little attention, and prices are also drooping. At auction 600 casks Australian were in part sold at 34s to 35s 6d for Beef; ut 34s Gd to 36s 6d for Sheep; anti 25 ceske of Weiss at 354 to 35s 61. The value of South American is from 33s to 36s for low to fine. For 1,000 casks are declared, the chief part Russian. Outs.— 'or public competition on Friday the quan tity of Sperm Oil declared is large, amounting to 250 tuns, the market is in consequence in a dull state, prices are on the decline, and fine quality is offered at 851 to 86/ per tun. Headinatter is obtainable at 90/ to 921, arid there are few buyers. Seal is opeeted in with reluctance, pale is to be obtained at 321 to 331, and other sorts 29/ to 311. In consequence of the reduced stock of Cod there are no sellers under 374 at the same time dealers ope retect with reluctance. Southern met with little atten tion, although it can be obtained at 27/ lOs to 291, and some parcels are declared for auction. Only small p‘ircls of Peltu have been sold, and fine quality is offering at 283 per cwt, as arrivals are near at band; aed consumption is limited. There has been a further de cline in the value of Unwed Oil, 31s to 31s 3d having been accepted on the spot; still shippers and home dealers have shown little desire to do business, and the supply of oil is getting larger. For delivery little has been done, aud parcels are offering a 1 31s 6d. Rape Seed is dealt in with reluctance, although pale can be bought at 335, brown 31s to 325; and Foreign Refined at 33e 61 to 34e. In Cocoa Nut operations are yet upon a small scale, with sellers of Ceylon and Cochin at 28s to 31s. The market is inactive for Olive; whilst there are sellers of Gallipoli at 391 to 401, and of other sorts at 37/ lOs to 38110. e per tun. EPSOM RACES. (THIS DAY.-B Y EXPRESS.) (Continued from our Fuurth Edition.) The Hcathcote Plate of 501. Teeswater Thorntill ... Forlorn Hopo ••• •• • Won by a • length.•• THE LONDON GAZETTE. (THIS EVENING.) DOWNING-STREET, MAY 20, 1851. The Queen has been pleased to appoint Lieutenant- Colonel Thomas Gore Browne, Companion of the Most Honourable Order of the Bath, to be Governor of the Island of St. Helena. EOREIGN-OFFICE, MAY 7. The Queen has boon pleased to approve of Mr. Gus tave de Cast'llvn as Consul at Newcastle for the French Republic. WHITEHALL, MAY 20. The Queen has been pleased to appoint John Dal rymple, jun., Esq., to be Lieutenant and Sheriff Principal of the shire of Wigton, in , the room of R3n. dulph Earl of Galloway, resigned. Commission by the Lord• Lieutenant of Staffordshire. The Hon. Henry William George Paget, commonly called Lord Paget, to be Deputy-Lieutenant, May 16. WHITEHALL, MAY 16. The Lord Chancellor has appointed Henry Whitford, of Saint Coloznb, in the county of Cornwall, Gent., to be a Master Extraordinary in the High Court of Chancery. ITALY. The Croce di Savoia of the 15th inst. has the fol. losvirg : " We are assured that a concordat has been concluded between Rome and the Sardinian Government. The latter, it appears, agreed to the unconditional return to their respective dioceses of Archbishops Franzoni and Marengiu. and to the appointment of a new Nuncio to Turin. It is net known whether the Nuncio is to be in vested with the powers enjoyed by his predecessor. The object and result of these arrangements, which are partly the work of the Court of Caserta, would be a political league between Rome, Naples, Piedmont, and Tuscany, in ':rater to obtain the evacuition of the Pontifical States by V e French and Austrian troop 3." The Grandour has arrived at Toulon from Civita Vecchia, with letters from Rome, 108 passengers from the army of occuption, and two bishops. Everything, when the vessel left, appeared tranquil in the Roman States. The arrest at Ancona by the Austrian troops, and the condemnation to death by the Papal authorities of a rntmber of the Roman C.mstituent Assembly, had produced a painful sensa tion. It was hoped that the sentence would not be executed. The Opinione of Turin of the 14th quotes, from the official report which has been just presented to the Papal Government by advocates FILIPPO MAS• SANI and LUIGI DATA; OLIO, who bad been named syndics fir the t.udit of the accounts of the Roman municipality under the Republic, a passage, from which it appears that the rumours, which had gained credit after the taking of Rome, of embezzlement on a large scale by the civic authorities of those days, were utterly unfounded. The passage is as folows We believed we should be entering a labyrinth en examining the expenditure of the first six months of 1849 ; but to say the truth we have found nothing at variance with the regulations, nor anything sa vouring of arbitrary conduct." Letters from Florence,•in the Opinione of Turin, state that Signor VIVIANI, a Sardinian subject, who had been arrested a few days before at Leghorn, by order of Count CRENNEVILLE, the Austrian military commandant, has been released on the representations of the Sardinian Ambassador at Florence, Signor DI VILLAMARINA. It is stated that Count CRENNEVILLE, thinking that the state of siege at present in vigour at Leghorn, dispensed him from giving any explana tions on the subject of that arrest, had at first given but a non-official answer to Signor DI VILLAMARINA'S official application ; but that the Piedrnontese resi dents in Tuscany, who foresaw that, such a principle once laid down, they would for ever afterwards be at the mercy of any foreign military commandant, threatened to petition the Chambers of Turin on the subject, and make a much more serious matter of it than was at first intended, unless Signor VIVIANI were set at liberty without , delay ; a course which was at last adopted, es stated above. STRANGE MURDER IN LANCASHIRE. On Friday morning the fact of a horrid murder and robbery having teen committed on Lately-common, between Marsland-green and the village of Bedford, was brought to light by the discovery of the body of the unfortunate victim, George Green, in a pond near the road side. The deceased had been mis sing since Wednesday night, having left his home in Cul cheth, near Leigh, on Wednesday morning to go to the Salford cattle-market, near Manchester, a distance of from 10 to 12 miles, to dispel() of five calves, which he had taken from neighbouring farmers on speculation. The unfortunate man was upwards of 50 years old, and ' had lived in the neighbourhood many years, sometimes as indoor farm -servant, but was employed more fre quently as outdoor jobber, and had gone once or ' twice a week to Manchester for some years to sell and l,uy produce of any kind at a small commission. This was his second journey only as a speculator on his own account. On Wednesday he was accompanied to and from Salford by John Msssey, of Bedford, la bourer, who drove the cart containing the calves. Massey supposes him to have s old the calves for 245. or 255. They left Manchester to return home about four o'clock on Wedneiday afternoon, and reached Mars land-green, two miles and a half from Green's home, about nine o'clock. On arriving at Marsland-green the deceased got out of the cart, and invited Massey to go with him and smoke a pipe, but his companion de clined, and they parted. He Was next seen at Jacob Thomasson's (his son-in-law) cottage, Marsland-green, with whom he smoked a pipe of -tobacco. He stopped Ihere about an hour, and then - said he would go home. He left, as hia son-i n -l aw describes it, " merry and feesh, but not drunk," and Massey states that they had only partaken of five half-pints Of ale between them on their way home. He always' took the field road home across the common (leading within half-a-dozen yards of the pond where his body'has since been found), according to the statement of Thomasson. The next evidence of his progress in • point of time and place traces him to within a hundred yards of the lane where he would strike off across the common. This was at John Green's beer-house. Mrs. Green says she had been out foddering the cows about a quarter-past 10 o'clock, when she heard a knock at the door, and went to answer it, in the expec tation that the county police-constable had called to see if the house was clear of company. When she had opened the door the deceased asked her to fill him a gill of ale, but she replied that she durst not do it on any account at that hour, and he went away. About this time a man named Thomas Collier says ho was going up the lane (along which deceased would have to go home), when he saw John Green, the beer house-keeper, smoking his pipe there. 'They walked together towards the beerhouse, tillethey saw George Green, the deceased, when John said he would tarn back with George, and they parted. The two,Greens are not re lated. From this time nothing more - was heard of him alive. His wife, to whom he had beet married about a year, and by whom he had one child, merit in search of him next morning, and some friencheisought him all Thursday in vain. On Friday hise wife consulted County Police -constable Massey, and by his advice a pond on Lately-common, not more than half a dozen yards from the field road he would have to pass along, and half a mile from the beerdeouse, was ex amined. The nearest side of the pond, covered with green weeds and stagnant, was only a toot or so deep, and ap peared not to have been lately disturbed ; but on the further aide, where the water was deeper—perhaps three or four feet in depth—there was water more free hum weeds than might have been expected. It was rather muddy also, but a steady gaze enabled the searchers to discover, at the bottom of the pond,. a straw hat. This was brought to th e t o p a nd identified as the hat worn by George Green. The brim was turned over and pinned together, and on the hat being opened a heavy green sod was found inside, the object ha v ing evi dently been to sink it by such means. Scarcely bad the hat been found ere the body of the unfortunate man was also discovered at the bottom of the pond on the same side. On being taken from the pond the evidences of murder and its object were palpable enough. The front and other portions of the head were almost battered to pieces. Most of the pockets of the unfortunate man were turned in side cut, and ell his money had been taken. In one pocket only a short tobacco-pipe was found. The body had been weighted so as to keep it down, and on the surface of the water above it had been strewn some dried branches of trees, no doubt to aid concealment for a time. In the same p on d, also, the probablein strument of murder—a short, thick, bent stick, appa rently part of the branch of a willow tree—w as found. It is by no means a heavy or formidable instrument, so far as weight and form gu; bat it is of sufficient thick ness to do serious mischief, being about tour inches and a half in cireumlerence at one end and three and a half at the other, and about eighteen inches long. At the thickest end is a trace of blood, and apparently a grey human hair. On the road in front of the pond was discovered the trace of a recent struggle, and on the grass close by its side a pool of blood. On the further side of the pond, also, where the body had been probehly first laid before putting it in the water, the grass was found deeply saturated with blood. The murder is supposed to have been committed by some one well acq ua i nte d w i t h t h e ne i g hb our h oo d, teo rn th e fact of the deeper side of the pond being known to the murderer and having been selected for concealment. At the end of the field, only 100 yards further on, is the houso of a wea ver an d sma ll f armer, h ut none o f i ts windows overlook the spot, and the field is otherwise rather . retired and th e pl ace a l one ly one . A n inquest was op ene d on S a t ur d a y a t Bedford, near Leigh, and adjourned -t o F r id a y nex t. Th e evid ence threw 110 light un the mur d er b e y on d w h a t i s g i ven a b ove . Suspicion falls strongly upon a man who is under the surveillance of the police, and who was at the house where the inquest was held in a state of beastly in toxicetion. LAUNcF.STON. JAN. 25.—The Ptilip Widen, from L;)11 , ;uu, uu shut eou tile 11, b;, u:,t,tolee of Tamar, but is expee:ed off withuut much damage. OFF DOW:R. — lmperial, Adelaide, South Australia. BANKRUPTS. William Page, grocer, Groat Yarmouth, Norfolk, to surrender May 30 and June 30, at twelve, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Johnson, official assignee, Basinghall street; Storey, Featherstone-buildings; Fillett and Co., Norwich. John George Cassaigne, wine merchant, Salisbury street, Strand, May 30 and June 30, at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Johnson, official assignee, Bas inghall-strect; Lawrance, Plows, and Boyers, Old Jewry. Joseph Frederick Freake, licensed victualler. Ramp. stead-street, Fit zroy-squr., May 30 and July 4, at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Cannan, official assignee, Birchin-lane, Cornhill; Rawlings, John-street, Bedford row. David Gideon, clothier, Minories, May 28 and July 1, at twelve, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Stangeld, official assignee ; Reid, Langlord, and Marsden, Friday. wreet, Cheapside; Sale, Worthington, and Shipman, Manchester. Joseph Emerson Dowson, furnishing ironmonger, Oxford-street, May 31, at one, and July 12, at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Nicholson. official a s . signee, Basir.ghall-street; Cooper, Gray's Inn-square. James Eugene MacCabe, lithographic printer, June 3, at one, and July 1, at eleven, at the Court of Bank ruptcy. Efiwurds, official assignee. Sambroa-court, Basinghall-street ; Do Rhe ltilipe, they's Inn-suciare. Charles Bond, tanner, Twerton, Somersetshire, May 27, at h a lf-p ast twe l ve , an d June 24, at eleven, at the Bristol Di s t r i c t Court. Acraman, official as signee, Bristol ; Bevan, Bristol. Robert Hezard and Frederick Robert hazard, vie ttnaelltrs, June 4, at twelve, and July 2, at eleven, at II Bristol District Court. Millcr, official assignee, Bristol;oeßieh a Richard Bevan, Bristol. Liverpool, June 3 and 23, at and 23, at eleven 7 a , ,,. a the Liverpool District Court. Cazanove, of ficial _.signee, Liverpool ; Sale, Worthington, and Ship man,Morgan, official assignee, at Blanchester. Hugh Jones, Liverpool; Jones, ironmonger, blaerweu, Anglesea, June 3 the Liverpool District Court. gtricis a la2s - ign e, Manchester • ." James M‘Neria; Liverpool; Fletcher and Hull, ell.nneeufatturing chrmist, Manchester, , a rr. obrPman, Meneheate twelve, at the Marchester District June 2 and July 1. , Sale, Wu.- I C ll o r t;t t . o - 14 1 . ) a e n t cr s, Thomas Storer Dobinson, banker, T nemct 4s, at eleven, and June 16, at twelve, at the May the Newcastle District C )urt. Wakley, official assignee, Ne 7 castle upon-Tyt e; Wheldon, North Shields; Crighton, New castle-upon-Tyre. INSOLVENT DEBTORS. And. Aslet, shopman, George-street, BlaCkfriars-road. Henry Lawrence, baker, George-street, Islington. William Snelling, butcher, Barstow, Surrey. Stephen Garrett, leather manufacturer, Crimscott-street, Bermondsey. Herbert Cornowall, Bury-street, St. James's. E. Wilson, furniture broker. King-street, Lambeth-walk. John Still, in no business, High-street, Camberwell. John Warr, cattle dealer, York-place, Kentish Town. B. Howlett, journeyman ironmonger, Smith-terrace, King's-road, Chelsea. Mary W. Ross, in no business, Lambeth-road. David Cockswortb, grocer, Broadway, Ludgate-hill. W. Mitchell, omnibus driver, Church -street, Lower Ed monton. John Holford, balder, Beresfore-street, Woolwich. James Crocker, greengrocer, Upper Weymouth-street, Marylebone. Samuel Makepeace, chemical agent, Mitcham, Surry. William Lavis, farmer, Newton Pappleford, Devonshire. Thomas Eaves, tailor, Hulme, Manchester. Elias Way, bootmaker, Portsmouth. William Alker, husbandman, Pemberton, Lancashire. Samuel Mitchell, printer, West Derby, Lancashire. Philip Brideoake, provision dealer, Leigh, Lancashire. Sarah Elston, grocer, Deeping St. James, Lincolnshire. John Smith, stone mason and contractor, Blackburn, Lancashire. Thomas Lane Robert Pierce, assistant. clerk in Sheer ness Dockyard, Alderagate-street. John Turner, victualler and blacksmith, Kingston upon. Hull. William Veale, farmer, Devonshire. ... 2 ... 8 M. A Y 2O, 1851. THE WALKER TESTIMONIAL-THE GRAVEYARD ABOMINATION. TO THE EDITOR OF TEE SUN. SIR,-1G has often fallen in my way, as a member of the pree, to notice the valuable services rendered to society by At.. George .11.1frcd Walker in the case of intramural interments. The learned gentleman had the courage to gr, pple with one of the chief—one of the most revolting of our physical evils, and the magnanimity to persevere in the tAsk he hal chosen for himself, not witbstandirg a powerful opposition from the parties interest , d in the abuse, and perhaps at times but in adequate suppo:t from the public. If he has not suc ceeded to the full extent of his design, ho has been the means of abating a foul and deadly nuisance, and of directing the public understanding and will towards its final suppression. Mr. Walker's powerful reclamation may be held as properly the origin of the cemetery system, which has relieved our large towns of a vast amount of death-dealing miasma; and which would pro duce much more good were it not for the ignorance, greed, or negligence, which permits the old and over charged burying.grounds to be still used for the inter ment of the dead. In Edinburgh we have several beautiful and admirably managed cemeteries ; but the Greyfriars and Canongato churchyards are still used, although hideously overcharged with the remains of mortality. A short time back it was proposed to present Mr. Walker with a testimonial of public gratitude for his fifteen years' advocacy of the interests of the public in his peculiar walk of sanitary reform. I regarged the movement with much interest as the first step in doing justice to a valuable and public-spirited citizen, and also as suggestive of encouragement to others to act a similar part —an encouragement always necessary. Now nothing is heard of the project. This is greatly to be deplored, and the gentlemen who originally took action in the case of Mr. Walker should certainly bestir themselves to complete their original aim. It strikes me that it is generally matter of consequence that in such cases the subscription should be made at once, while the claims and merits of the party it is meant to honour are fresh in the public mind. Delay may otherwise become de feat. I am, Sir, &c., Edinburgh, May 15. LITERATUS. COURSE OF EXCHJ Amsteruam .• 11 16 Ditto. three months 11 17N u.otterdana .... ••.• • • 11 17% Antwerp •••••••• •• •• •• 25 25 Brussels .• • • 25 25 litunburgh .... • • M. 3. 13 7N Pnrls, d days'aglit 25 2% Ditto, 3 roontlui 25 22 Marselllef• 25 25 Bourc. 4 eaux ••.••• •• • • Frankfort on Maine 119 11er1in.....• •• •• Vienna, ein e. do l2 55 rrieste, daLo.... • • I'z.tersburgh, Sll. Ride % fdadllcl •• • • •••• • • •• •• 50 Cads •• •• •• •. •• •• •• 50% BDIXVi' ono • • •• •• • • •• •• LNGE.--(THIS DAY.) Gibra1tar.............. Leghorn •••••••• • • •• •• 30 50 Genoa •• •• •• •• •• •• •• •• 25 45 Milan .• •• •• .• •• •• •• •• Venice.• ••••••• • • • • • •. yariles .......... •• • • 41% Palr,rrno, per0z........ 124 k Meyratia •• •• •• •• •• •• •• 124% Ltsbon.. .• .• 63% Oporto .• •• •• .• •• 53% Rio Jcnoiro •• .• .• .• •• iluenos Ayres .. ••.. •• New York, 60 days i sight Philadelphia .... • • .... -- PRICED OF BULLION, Mt Of. Foreign Gold in bars.. .0 17 9 Portugal Gold Coin .. 0 0 0 Spanish Doubloons .. 0 0 0 New Dollars .... 0 4 11% Silver in bars ...... •• 0 5 1% IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF COMMONS. May 19. ECCLESIASTICAL TITLES BILL. (Continued from our Third Feht.on of last night.) Mr. GLADSTONE regretted equally the motion and the necessity for its beteg med', but it was evident that a great change had besn made, not only in the Bill itself, but in the spirit of the Bill also, causing it to become altogether a different thing to that which it forni. rly eras. Within the whole course of his Perflamentery experience, he had never met with anything equal to this, and he did there fore feel that they bed no vest whatever to enter upon legislation on this euhject until they had had advice from the first law CffiCf'lB of the Crown. Any gentleman might get up and introduce words which would altoe,ether alter the tenor and the force of the Bill. How then could they proceed ? This Bill contained three operative clauses; of these three two setae rendered void. What would they do if his Hunourable and Learned Friend the Member for Midhurst had attacked the Pope's brief itself. He said that that brief was in itself invalid, and quite illegal, in this country. This proposition the Ministry had adopted, and it was therefore plain that nothing could be done soundly at least without that legal advice of which they now stood so much in need. Was it not also known to the House that there was another rescript from the Papal authority for the division of the Roman Ca tholic diocese of Ross, which was now separated from the diocese of Cloyne. According to this measure that rescript would be also void. He, therefore, hoped that the Noble Lord (Lord J. Russell) or the Secretary of State for the Home Department (sir G. Grey) would in form the House as to the legal character and bearings of the present Bill; and he also wished to know whether the excluJed clause would be brought back to the Bill, and whether, if so, it would have the retrospective force of aeaulling the past rescript of the Pope, and also of de feating the late episcopal jurisdiction in Ireland, to which he had already adverted? Lord J. RUSSELL said the Committee had two ques tions to consider which ought to be kept separate. The first was the question of the Hon. Member for Dublin, who had moved that the Chairman should report pro gress and ask leave to sit again; and whatever the Noble Lord the Member for Arundel might say, he could not agree to that course, because he had no security, when they came on Friday next to consider the Bill, that the Noble Lord might not, without any factious motive, pro pose that the Chairman should leave the chair; and thus they would be in no better position than they were at the present moment. The Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Gladstone) took another course, and said that in going into a Bill of so much importance as this, especially when the first clause was not originally in the Bill, but had been lately introduced, some member of the Govern ment ought to explain the general score of the clauses and what would he their practical effect; and he (Lord J. Russell) would not deny, if the other questions were disposed os", that it would be fair, when they came to read the clause, that the Attorney• General should explain to the Committee the view which he took of that clause and what would be its legal effect. The Earl of ARUNDEL and SURREY understood that the agreement came to on last Friday night was, that there should be no division on the motion of the Speaker leaving the chair, but that there was no farther pledge given on their part; tied he should add that, when the Noble Lerd stated that there was no security for a legitimate discussion, there existed a right for every Hon. Gentleman to avail himself of all the forms of the House against so obnoxious a measure.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. ROEBUCK contended that the present was a new Bill altogether, and that it was nothing bat just and fair that its principles soould be considered. Sir R. H. INGLIS admitted that the law officers of the Crown should explain the nature of the new clause, particularly as that clause was aia improvement in the Bill. Mr. P. HOWARD raid that if the Government ac ceded to the suggeition of Mr. Gladstone, then Mr. Reynolds might with great prorriety withdraw his mo tion. It they obtained from the law officers of the Crown a fell and distinct exp!rthation of all the bearings of the measure, they could reserve their opposition till it had reached a future stage. Mr. HORSM AN said that if the Hon. Member for Dublin would withdraw his motion so as to enable the s!ateineat to be made by the Attorney-General, in ac 7 cordence with the suggestion of the Right Hon. Gentle man oppoaite (Mr. Gladstone), to which the Noble Lord bed acceded, tile Hon. Member would not be in a worse position than he was at present. As some misunder standing seemed to exist as to what happened on Friday last, and as he was present on the occasion ho wished to observe that the statement of hie Noble Friend behind him (Lord Arundel and Surrey) as to the arrangement entered into on that occasion was correct. The lion. Gentlemen who were concerned in the arrangement stated, on that occasion, that they agreed to the Noble Lord's suggestion, on condition that on Monday they would not be bound by it, beyond the question that the Speaker do leave the chair, and to that condition the Noble Lord assented. Lord J. RUSSELL observed that what he had stated was, that when they came to the first clause the At torney-General would make a statement with respect to the bearing and legal effects of that clause. That did I not touch the question of the preamble. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE thought that if the motion of the Hon. Member for Dublin was within the strict let ter, it was not within the spirit of the arrangement. That arrangement was that no opposition should be made to the Speaker leaving the chair; but having agreed to the Speaker leaving the chair, what possible use was there in demanding that he should be put into it again immediately, for that was the object of the motion of the Hon, Member for Dublin? Ho thought the Hon. Gentleman ought to allow the first reading of the Bill, and on the question that it be read a second time the Attorney-General should make his statement. He thought the Noble Lord had hardly kept faith with the House. For having before Easter called on all Hon Gentlemen who had amendments to propose in the Bill to place them on the paper, and that after the Easter re cess he would state which of them he would accept and which reject, the Noble Lord, on the House assembling after the recess, stated that he would not accept the amendment of the Hon. Member for Midhurst. Yet the Noble Lord bad sent the Attorney-General to the Hon. Member for Itidburst in order to " cook up" a new Bill with him; but it appeared they could not agree upon it. However, as the Hous e did not k now at the present mo ment wherein the Bill the Hon. Member for Midhurst meant to place his amendments, that of itself consti tuted a ground for asking a few days' delay. He sug gested that the Hon. Member withdraw his motion, and that they should at once have the statement of the Attor ney-General. Mr. 13. ROCHE took the same view of the arrange ment of Friday night As the Noble Lord (Arundel and Surrey). Mr. KEOGH said that the arrangement had been made between bim and the Noble Lord, and if ho con ceived ho were violating the spirit of that :arrangement in supporting the motion of the lion. Member for Dublin, he would not vote for it. But he was convinced that that motion violated neither the spirit nor the letter of that understanding; ntithar hed the Noble Lord ac cused them of such a &log, het the Right Honourable Gentleman (Sir George GI ey) hinted it. What happened was this. Lie asked the Noble Lord to consent to the re-printing of the Bill; the Noble Lord at first refused, and the Howe now saw that he (Mr. Keogh) had just and reasonable grounds for that request. The Noble Lord afterwards comccutEd, on condition that on Monday he should he placed in the same position with respect to the Bill as he was then; ho (Mr. Keogh) agreed, pro rifled th.J. he, and it friends should also be put in the sstuts p ,,,, ttiun—rr.lL!el„ .! that on the Spt'nker leav:.ng uld met te evsry oppo.iiion to tee Bill V - at..‘ , . they deemed expedient. Th a t was the arrangement agreed to, and he insisted ith r a e. had not been violated in spirit or letter by thto3, As garded the proposition just made by the Noble Lord, he understood the Noble Lord admitted the justice of the Right Hon. Gentleman's (Mr. Gladstone'e) appeal, for he had said that if they took one step, it was but right that he himself or the Attorney General should make a statement. Now the Chairman of Committees had just informed him that it was necessary to move that the Bill be read a first and second time, because of the alterations made in it; but that if it were the same Bill it would not be necessary. The Noble Lord had adopted a great por tion of the Hon. Member for Midhurat's amendment; let the Attorney-General then make his statement, and afterwards let them adjourn the question to Friday next, in order that they might have an opportunity of fully considering the provisions of the Bill as amended. The Noble Lord had undertaken to have the Bill reprinted, but it had not been delivered to Hon. Members until late that morning. On that ground alone they were entitled to have it adjourned. Mr. WALPOLE said that he had given notice of his amendments on the tooond reading of the Bill; and they had been put on the paper before the Easter re cess, so that it could not be with justice said that the House was taken by surprise with respect to those amendments. Atter the Esster recess the Noble Lord stated that he did not object in principle to the first clause, which he (Mr. Walpole) proposed, for that it was in tubstarce already contained in the Bill. He (Mr. Walpole) met the Attorney-General by accident in the street, and spoke to him on the subject of his amendments, wondering that the plan therein suggested had not been adopted by the Government. Oa the fol lowing day he had a conversation with the Attorney- General on the subject of his amendments, a portion of which the Government objected to, and another por tion they did not object to. But, until he came down on Friday last, the Government wore under no arrange ment with him either to reject or accept them, How there could be any such compromise, he could not understand, for he approved of the principle of the Bill, and he could see nothing,' objectionable in an Hon. Member who supported a Bill communicating with the Attorney-General, who had the conduct of the Bill, in order to see how far any amendments he meant to pro pose in the Bill were objectionable or not. Mr. T. DUNCOM BE—lt was the Noble Lord himself who had stated be bad sent the Attorney-General to the Hon. Member for Midhurst. Lord J. RUSSELL—The Hon. and Learned Gentle man had said very truly that he had met the Attorney- General by accident, and the latter had most properly told him (Lord J. Russell) that he had some conversation with the Hon. and Learned Member for Midhurst with respect to his amendments, but he did not wish to com municate further with him without his (Lord J. Rassell'a) authority. He (Lord J. Russell) did not give him any, explicit directions on the matter, but gave him his autho rity to communicate with the Hon. and Learned Gentle man respecting it. Mr. HUME said the question was, whether the expla nation asked for should ne given on the motion that the preamble be postponed, or on the first clause. It ap peared to him a matter of very little importance on which it was given. After a few words from Mr. S. CRAWFORD, Mr. MOORE reminded the Hou se t h at t h e Hon. Mem ber for Athlone had a notice on the paper of a motion with respect to the postponement of the preamble, and it was quite impossible therefore to accede to the postpone ment of the preamble now. Mr. REYNOLDS would not enter into any explana tion respecting Friday night's arrangement, as it had been already explained by the Hon. and Learned Mem ber for Athlone. He was prepared to withdraw his motion only on the specific understanding that the At torney-General should be permitted to explain the Bill as amended. and after that explanation was made, that no it:inlet:l- progress should be attempted by the Govern ment with the Bill until Friday. Lord J. RUSSELL could not agree to the proposition of the Hon. Gentleman. The amendment was then negatived without a division. The amended Bill was then read a first and second time. On the question that the preamble be postpened, Mr. REYNOLDS moved that the Chairman report progress. The Committee then divided, when there appeared— For the amendment ... ... 46 Against it ... ... 262 Majority The preamble was postponed accordingly. On the first clause being put from the chair. The AT TORNEY-GENER AL, understanding it was the general wish of the House he should make a state ment of the legal effect of the provisions of the Bill, felt it to be his duty to do so on the present occasion. In the first place, ho totally and entirely disagreed with those Hon. Members who said that the Bill was a new Bill. The only cletioe to which he proposed to attach any obeervat,ons, in the first instance, was the first clause, as that was the clause alleged to contain certain matter which made the Bill a new measure. He was, however, prepared to show that this clause effected no alteration whatever in reality in the character of the Bill; but that, on the contrary, it left that measure sub stantially the same as before. As the Bill stood before, the preamble recited " that whereas certain of her Ma jesty's subjects, by virtue of a pretended authority of the See of Rome, had assnmed titles out of provinces, dio ceses, and towns in her Majesty's kingdoms." It then went on to refer to the Act 10 Geo. IV., c. 7, in which was to be found an enactment providing against the as sumption of any such style or title as regarded pro vinces and dioceses already occupied by the Church of England,making it an offence, and affixing thereto a penalty. After this, it proceeded to recite that the at iteropt to establish such sr) le and titles having been made, t declared it expanient to prohibit such assumption, and then went on to recite the penalty fixed in the second clause as applicable to the case. The second clause made the assumption of titles not included .in the 10th Geo. IV., c. 7, illegal; in other words, it placed provinces, cities, and towns not appropriated by the Established Church on the same footing as those in that Act, subjecting those who took such titles to the same penalty as was provided by that statute. The other clause —that originally sawested by the Hon. and Learned Member for Midhurst—was the cleu,e which it was suggested created a new Bill of the measure. But that clause was purely declaratory. It embodied only , the recitals in the preamble, which went to say that cer tain persons had done a certain thing which ought to be prevented; and it merely asserted that this recital should be held legally valid. The first clause, which was sug gested by the Hon. and Learned Member, might strike the House as superfluous but a great desire h a d b een ex pressed that it should be adopted to mark the sense of the country on the subject. Teere was an invasion—and it was desired that there should be a declaration of Parlia ment on the subject to go forth to the world. It ap peared to him (the Attorney-General) to add nothing to the Bill, as far as punishment for the offence was in ques tion, or as far as the penalty was concerned, while it gave a more solemn form to the declaration. As it was no hardship, and gave some tatis action to a great number of persons, to vindicate the national Sovereignty, there could not, in his opinion, be any possible harm in adopting it. The Bill, however, was no new Bill. The clause was only what it purported to be—a recital of the preamble, and giving it more expli citly. With regard to the second clause, it had been already so much discu , sed, that he could not understand how any person could tail to see its bearings. It amounted to this—that the Act 10 Geo. IV., which now applied in terms only to titles already appropriated by the Established Church, was proposed to be applied to titles not so appropriated. An attempt was made to parcel out England into provinces and dioceses by an authority which had no foundation in the constitution, and to assume titles and dignities as arising out of these divisions, at the instance of a foreign power. The clause proposed these titles should be void; and that the places from whence they purported to be derived should be put in the same category as those places referred to in the 10th Geo. IV. It did no more and no less. And when it was urged that this clause would interfere with the operation of the Charitable Bequests Act, the simple answer to that allegation was, that the 10th George IV. did not interfere with it, and this clause applied only to titles not included in that Act. He (the Attorney- General) should be trifling with the time and patience of the House if he added another word to the legal explana tion which he was called on to give, as, after the long discussion which the Bill had undergone, nothing new could be said by him on the subject. Mr. P. HOWARD contended that the Bill was essen tially a new Bill. If it were not so, it would not have been read a first and a second time by the Chairman. Besides, the date on the amended Bill was altered. Now, the Bill being a new Bill, he considered that the House had not been treated with sufficient candour by the Go vernment, who submitted it in a printed form that morn ing, and forced on a discussion of its provisions almost immediately afterwards. Mr. K. SEYMER called the attention of the law officers of the Crown to the fact, that while the Bill de clared illegal the bull or letters apostolic relatigto England, it omitted all reference to a somewhat similarbull or Papal rescript under which the diocese of Ross bad recently been constituted in Ireland. .If legisla tion in express terms were considered necessary for upholding the independence of the natio nal soverei g nt y in England, he certainly thought it was equally im portant it should be adopted fore Queen by persons of lreland, where war had actually been levied against the some station, who were now suffering the penalty of their crimes. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said the answer to the question of the lion. Gentleman was simple. U nder the Statute of PrXrnuDire, acts performed in trecor 6'am..elames I jI. with the directions of Pup al rescripts or for gn bulls were declared to be i lle g al. In the time of Lalor was punished for such an offence; and • sine ethat period —although two centuries and a half had elapsed —up to the recent aggression, no subject of the British Crown had dared to act upon the dictum of a foreign bull. The Pope's recent rescript, b • centuries and a half, which has being the first for two country, it was thought proper to praetical cif-et in this performed by reason of its di declare it, and all acts But it did not follow that becauserections, illegal and void. this pirtieular instune-, it they had done so in the minor instrumen was necessary to declare all t 4 Which followed quarter illegal and vo4 v h from the same statute. lie considered v en they were so by existing rake up the met the moat dignified course was to monstrous instrument into dwceecs, n __, gality, to leave "u a , t . having !•pcclficaily declared its ille as illegal. li similar instruments to be dealt with Mr.GLADSTONE said he could not perceive that this vias a declaratory c l ause . D ec l ara t o ry clauLes in i egis.iative enactments malady succeeded u recital that the state of the law was doubtful; but here nothing of the sort was done. They declared by their Bill, with out reference to any other matter, ihat the act of the Pope wrts iii gal, and he confessed that this appeared to him lo rre P that parties would be at a 1053 to underst”nd whether this was a declaratory clause or not; but ii it were u de claratory clause, what need was there for declaring that which had already been decided? He wanted to know whether the same effect would be produced by the Bill, as it stood then, as was intended by the Bill as it origi flatly stood. His supposition, of course, was immaterial, but he certainly supposed that the first clause would have that effect. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL explained that the objection which led to the withdrawal of the second clause was, that it had a retrospective effect of a dan gerous character. The Roman Catholic prelates of Ire land, said, that under what they conceived to be the con struction of the Act of 1829, they had retained the ec clesiastical titles, which ware forbidden by that Act. They considered that they were quite right in so read ing the Act, and therefore requested that they might be left in the same position as it placed them in. Now he (the Solicitor-General) entertained great doubt as to whether they had acted rightly under that Act; but whether that were so or not, if these prelates were right under the old Act, they would continue to be so still; and if they were wrong under the old Act, they would be equally wrong now. All that had been conceded in striking out the second clause. If the Pope could pro eyed, let them proceed. There was no clause there to prohibit him, and as it was matter of doubt whether he co ;ld legally proceed, he was entitled to the benefit of the doubt. Mr. GLADSTONE said the Hon. and Learned Gen tleman had not answered his question as to what would be the effect of the clause, not with reference to Irish, but English sees. The SOLICITOR -GENERAL replied that English Roman Catholic bishops would stand in precisely the same way as the Irish Roman Catholic bishops stood. If Irish bishops were right English bishops would also be right, but he bad hie doubts. Mr. M'CULLAGH said the Pope's proceedings in relation to the bishopric of Rosa was not the first case of the kind, for iu the diocese of Galway there was a new bishopric, created under precisely similar circumstances. Why, then, was that case not taken up if the act was illegal? He did not think the Hon. and Learned Gen tlemen had answered the Right Hon. Gentleman's ques tion, whether the subtraction of the second and third clauses was a real charge, and whether the retention of the first clause really did not tend to invalidate every act done by Roman Catholic bishops since their appoint ment end the passing of the Act of 1829. There were very grave doubts on this point raised by the most learned authorities in the law, and it therefore behoved the legal advisers of the Crown to grapple with the doubt', and to decide the question at once—to decide it, in fact, in that House.—()Near, hear.) The House ought to know whether it was the Bill of February, of March, of April, or the fourth Bill, a combination of the other Bills—the Bill of May—they were discussing. He wished to deal adds the doubt he had referred to on broad grounds, and he hoped the House would require its clear solution. If violations of the Act of 1829 had occurred, why wet• they suffered to sleep up to this moment? if the present Bill was cot a persecuting Act, why were the doubts about the first clause not cleared up? With respect to the Bequests Act, be contended, though it did not repeal the Ace of 1829, yet having been recognised by Goverre meat and by bit Eduard Sugden, such a recognition amounted to a eirtunl abnegation of the Act of 1829. Whatever the words of the Bequests Act, they were really and actually intended to give validity to what had been done by the Roman Catholic bishops, even though it was in presumed contravention of the Act of 1829. He wanted to know what were to become of bequests granted to bishops in trust, and to their successors? He believed that question had cot yet been dealt with in its entirety. The way in which the clause would operate would not so much punish the usurper of titles, as it pro fessed to do—as it would operate against the wishes and intentions of the pious and humble Roman Catholic. The ATTORNEY- GENERAL said this was not the piece to discuss legal questions—(ol)—but he was quite ready to state his opinion in explanation of the question in issue. However *learned and specific the opihions on the question obtained by the Hon. Member, he must take leave to doubt that such mischief as had been stated would flew from the measure. The effect of the clause, as he had already stated, was to put a certain class of trustees under the operation of the Act 10th Geo. IV. Now, he would ask whether any fatal mischief had hitherto resulted from that Act? Practi cally it had not, and he should say that the wording of that Act might fairly be taken as a counterpart of the resell, and operation of the working of the present mea sure. If money were to be left for the purpose of en dowing a, bishopric, and prohibited titles were used, then he agreed that the operation of the mea sure would effeet such a bequest—but if the be quest was left in different terms, then diffe rent consequences wo u ld f o ll ow . If, in contra vention of the law, a bequest was made in terms which an Act of Parliament declared should make such bequest illegal and void—then the party so leaving the bequest must take the consequences of his own act. If the bequest were left for charitable purposes, even though left in an illegal form, a wart of equity would only look to the intentions of the testator. If titles were used in relation to persons who were to carry out the intentions of the testator, which were illegal, the Court would still give effect to the intentions of the testator. The Court would not let an incorrect designation interfere with the leaving of money for charitable purposes. So, there fore, the present measure would not be attended with the mischief which had been predicted, and the opinions of the legal persons to the contrary would not be found to he correct. The Act of 10 Geo. IV. had been in ope ration 22 years; that Act made the as sum pti on o f ti t l e s by Roman Catolic bishops illegal, yet bequests had from that time been made to Roman Catholic bishops for cha ritatle purposes; and he would ask, had there been found any practical difficulty or inconvenience in adminis tering those charities? If there had been, let the fact be brought before the House, and it would be dealt with at once. But no difficulty or inconvenience as yet had been felt, end it was therefore not reason . able to expect that it would be found with regard to the Bequests Act—that is, provided no violation of the law gave invalidity to the intentions of the testator. He a ould remind Hon. Gentlemen how cautiously the Art had been framed—the words were, " exercising or officiating within the district." This would apply to the class of cases under discussion, because it was essen tial that the religious intentions of her Majesty's Roman Catholic subjects should be properly carried out. The Bequests Act was carefully framed, so as to leave the Roman Catholic bishops untouched so long as no in fraction of the law was committed, by giving to them titles by law prohibited. This, however, was not the place to enter upon an elaborate legal argument; he, however, thought it advisable to state his candid opinion on the question. Mr. NAPIER said that when the proper time arrived he should be fully prepared to answer many of the argu ments which bad been offered in opposition to this Bill. Mr. M. GIBSON said that us a great deal of doubt seemed to be entertained as to the operation of this Bill, it behoved them at present to introduce such provisions into the Bill as would obviate any future misinterpreta tion. At present a Scotch bishop was exempt from the consequences which attached to the same offence in England and in Ireland, though for what principle he could not tell. Oa the 26th of October, 1851, the clauses submitted to the Roman Catholic School Com mittee by her Majesty's Committee of Privy Council on Education recognised in terms the Roman Catholic bishop of ecclesiastical distracts which iwas a subject that demanded explanation. The priest so ordained is to manage the religious instructions of those schools, and no priest is to interfere who is not authorised by the Roman Catholic bishop of the district. Then, he said. that if the Privy Council actually agreed to that in November last, after the Papal brief had been pub lished, does it not seem monstrous that now they should be legislating to fine a man a hundred pounds if he called himself a Roman Catholic bishop of a district (Hear, hear;) An Act more complex and difficult than this to understand be hak never heard. Sir FREDERICK TIIESIGER begged to recal the House to . the question before it, which was, whether the preamble should be postponed for further consideration? He had never considered this as a new Bill. The object of this motion was to enable them to have a fuller dis cussion on this Bill, or rather this portion of the Bill. He would suggest that they should be allowed to pro ceed to the discussion of the preamble. Mr. ROCHE said that the Attorney-General was of woulda s extend powerfulto t opinion that this Bill had no greater scope than the f ormer Bill, but up jumped the Learn e d S o li c i tor- General and said thatthe old this new clause w Bill, and it Now, what wo u ld b e i ts effect on the diocese of Rose l th re a l n and. anything in That diocese had been for ages united to the diocese of Cloyne. He ought to know something about that diocese, as it was in his district. The practical wadsocabyrrietdaiosußtimilre Theyec iently res ult of uniting Ross and Cl oyne was, that the spiritual the th tw ey o diocesespropose to cure vi of did What t pro posed to render the union of these two eloceses illegal. How could the Hon. and Learned Gentleman the Attorney-General, get up in his place and say that the Emancipation Act bad been the law of the land in Ire land for two and twenty years. Practically, it had never been carried into effect in Ireland. The more they meddled with this Bill the deeper they would get into the mire. Mr. PHILLIP HOWARD said the suggestion of the Hon. Member for Manchester (Mr. Milner Gibson) was a very valuable one, that they should now explain how, when the Privy Council lately recognised Roman Ca tholic bishops of districts, they now proposed to fine any man who called himself Roman Catholic bishop of a diocese a hundred pounds. Lord BERNARD said, the mere question at issue was, what was the attack of the Bishop of Rome on this COUntrt ? It was a direct attack on the sovereignty, o g our Queen. Had not he termed the glorious reformation the Anglican schism? In the early Church the appoint ment of bishops remained with the people at large. Af terwards it fell into the hands of the clergy, and now, in this country, it had practically fallen into the hands of the Crown. What he wished to dwell upon was this —that the family of Stuart being extinct, whose title to nominate these bishops was not denied, the present ap. pointment by the Pope, without consulting the Sove reign, was a virtual denial of the rights of our present Gracious Sovereign. There was one word more which he had to say upon the subject. It was said the feelings of the people were indifferent on this subject. Such was not the case in Ireland; but they thought it was a wiser policy to leave the subject to be decided by the Imperial Parliament, but they felt the greatest indignation against the atrocious attempt of the Court of Rome, and he would give his support to any efficient measure to re strain the insidious attempts dthe ma e against Pro testant religion. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE asked the Noble Lord at the head of the Government to inform than what his wishes were upon the actual question before them. What did th e Nob;!: Lord m ean by sayirg in hi s Bill th at " th e said resenPt was illegal awl void!" Where was the re .9-”riPt? to 41'r.3 ti.h:e of ihe House. llow could they clic:011u it unless it was hid before Om? Lord J.I . IISSELL thought it was much the better 111TS0 . tC One , 1, 0 f ti e _ . Lem! 1 . Xll same this n arguo an en( from try, n (Lou( sion. quer( belies man pose