The Sun. — London, England, 1850-08-13 00:00:00

THE FIRE AT GRAVESEND. GRAVESEND, AUGUST 12.—The bench of magis trates were this day chiefly occupied in hearing cases connected with the disastrous fira of yesterday morn ing. Among them 'Was one of a charge against a fellow named William Belcher, for obstructing the soldiers and police in the preservation of property from plunder by a gang of young scoundrels who -were in company with him, and for assaulting Corporal Daly of the 25th Regiment. The corporal stated that he was on duty at the fire about three o'clock yesterday morning, when he was told by a gentleman that a gang of persons were breaking the windows of several of the houses on fire, and other wise misconducting themselves. Witness observed the prisoner as one of the most prominent of the gang, and told him to " get out of the way." -He refused, saying he had as good a right to be there as a --- soldier. He then pushed up against wit ness, who again told him to go off, but he persisting in attempting to force a way through the place where witness was stationed, the latter put the butt end of • his musket towards him and drove him a pace or two back. Witness then turned round to call on his men for assistance, as the mob were forcing him from his position, when he received a blow of a stone on the left temple which knocked him down. On recovering his legs he saw the prisoner within about four yards of him, in the custody of a soldier. He had observed previously to being knocked down that the prisoner had a stone in his hand. Private Binney, of the 58th Regiment, saw Cor poral Daly knocked down by a blow of a stone, but did not see the prisoner throw it. Observed before that the prisoner took up a stone. He was then try ing to push past the corporal with a number of others in the mob, who were with the utmost difficulty kept from the place ordered to be kept clear. A gentleman came up to witness as soon as the corporal was knocked down, and told him to take the prisoner into custody, which he did. Private Brown, of the 58th Regiment, saw the pri soner throw a stone, but could not say that it was that stone which: felled the corporal. Saw him have three stones in his hand immediately before the corporal fell. • Mr. Oakes, one of the Magistrates, said that, though he did not see the stone thrown at the com plainant, he had observed him fall, and on turning saw the prisoner close behind him. He had no doubt whatever thitt the prisoner had thrown the stone, and he directed the soldier to take him into custody. Here he (Mr. Oakes) would take the opportunity to • say that nothing could equal the forbearance and moderation of the military in the performance of their onerous duties, except their indefitigible exertions in keeping order, and in aiding in the efforts to preserve - property and to subJue this most disastrous and de• structive fire. The mayor and the other magistrates fully con curred in the justice of Mr. 04kes' observations upon the conduct of the military. Mr. Oakes further 'ATM that a most disgracefully ill-conducted mob had assembled and obstructed the authorities in their duties, and instead of feeling sympathy for the suf ferers in this terrible calamity actually appeared to •be rejoiced at it. It was in his opinion—and he was sure his fellow-magistrates would agree with hiin - a-, disgrace to the town that such a degraded set should form a portion of its inhabitants. .The prisoner was fined 40:. and costs, but being to - pay was sentenced to one month's impri •' - tionment and hard labour. After the business of the court was over Mr. Oakes stated to the other magistrates that it had been ~intimated to him that the fire had origine.tel in the - hou , 4e of Read (a cigar shop), and not in that of Mr. Adlington (a grocer's shop), next door to it. Now, he wished to know where this Read could be found. Me Mayor said that he had also been told, and on what F e believed to be good authority, that smoke :was seen to issue from Read's house before fire was discovered in the weather boarding of Adlington's house. It was therefore necessary, in order to ascer tain the origin of the fire, to have both Adlington and Read examined ; the former asserted from the begin „ ning that the fire broke through the wainscoting into his house from Rear's. Ivery inquiry, by direction of the magistrates, . having been made for Read without effect, it was at length intimated to them that he had left the town, or at least bad not been seen since the fire. - The superintendent of police (Mr. North) was then • directed by the bench to find him out. 'There is so 'much suspicion, as it now seems, re specting the origin of the fire that it is said the Co roner will hold an inquest respecting it. ' The loss, as estimated by the surveyors of the va rious London insurance companies, who were engaged the whole of the- day inquiring into the amount of property, is 80,0001. The offices that will principally „anffer are the following, and the amounts are reported .Fire-office,- 10,0001. ; Globe, 8,000/. ; Evehange, $,OOOl. ;.Alliance, 8,000/. • Norwich .• Union, ; Pucenix, 7,000/. ; Mutual, 6,000/. ; r;.West of England, 5,000/ ; Star, 3,000/. ; Commer cial, 2,000/.—total, 85,000/. . The general body of tradespeople ,and inhabitants of the town are loud in their complaints against the corporation in not having an efficient corps of firemen ind'exigine's established after the warning:they re ceived by the two previous fires, which it will be re collected consumed the greater part of the lower por tion of Gravesend. The ruins still remain under the charge of the London. brigade. -A great deal of fire remains in various parts, but no further mischief is apprehended. The largest building among the premises burnt down was used as the London and County Bank. It occupied much ground on the east side of High street, close to the Town-hall, and, with its contents, was insured for 10,0001.. The clerks succeeded in saving the whole of the books, cash, and papers be lcnging to the bank. It was supposed that a man named Valiance had lost his life daring the raging of the fire by the floors of one of the houses 'in High-street falling on him. We are happy to say it is not so; the police yesterday ascertained that he escaped. It is the general opinion of the inhabitants of the town, that had the , corporation t e l egra ph e d f or th e London engines when the fire was crossing High street, instead of waiting three hours, a very large portion of the property would . have been preserved. We understand the Coroner of the district has been called on to hold an inquiry into all the circum stances connected with the fire. LAW INTELLIGENCE. COURT OF BANKRUPTCY, Aug. 12. (Before Mr. Commissioner GouLncraN.) IN BE COPELAND. This 'bankrupt, Who had been engaged in the " tally trade, ". came . up to pass his last examination. He poaltrienced with no .capital, and now owed 1,1061., to ine:t_ which, the assets were stated, debtors 3261., property 38/. The profits (for five years) were 13,1054 expenses 1,4771., losses 2,3611. Mr. Dunoan supported the bankrupt. . His HONOUR said the accounts were very ragged, and afforded no. information. The official assignee had been dodging through them the best way he could, and thought that better accounts were nob to be . got. These sort of " tally" books told nothing autmtantially. Mr. DUNCAN said he would. not put the accou n t s before the , Co uyt as being satisfactory, but as true, and the best the bankrupt could render. His HONOUR—Is it not usual for persons in the " tally trade" to sell their books ? The Trade As signee—lt is, Sir. His HONOUR—With all their innaccuracies ? The Trade Assignee—Yes, Sir. His• HONOVI—And when they are sold nobody bat the bankrupt can get in the debts. No trade requires watching more than this " tally trade." The bank rupt May pass, all points being reserved for the certi- Ecate meeting. Passed accordingly. IN RE WILLIAM J. BUCK. The bankrupt, late of Shrubland Cottages, Queen's road, came up to pais his last examination. He has not been in trade these last two years, but has been living upon the dividends derivable from his wife's property. In 1848 his debts were 1,603/. ; assets re turned at about 400/. Mr. LUCAS, for the assignees, complained that his clients had only just now been put in posse ss i on o f i two books, containing mportant . items, and th at IN another book, containing one agstaff's accounts was not forthcoming. His HONOUR said, with respect to the book pro duced (about the size of a small pocket diary), he did not see that the items were important. They appeared to be of this description : "I (bankrupt) went to bed, and my E. B. (meaning his wife) was very quarrel sonie with me."—(Laughter.) The bankrupt said that as to the missing book he had destroyed it beca use it conta i ne d pr i vate en t r i es , showing the quarrels between himself and his wife. His HONOUR said. that instead of this case being headed "In the matter of William James Buck," he could see from the opposition that it ought to be " In a cause between 11/ agstaff and Buck." The Court was of opinion that the bankrupt should pass. The solicitor, Mr. KE-ig nley, who now appeared for the assignee, had formerly acted as solicitor for the bank rupt.—Passed acco;:dingly. FRIGHTFUL DEATH OF A YOUNG LADY.—On Friday evening Mr. W. Carter, the coroner, held an inquest at the Royal George Tarern, Doddington-grove, Kennington, respecting the death of miss Sophia Beard, aged 30, who was found dead in a garden at the rear of the residence of Mr. Gunthorpe, a retired medical gentleman, living at No. 51, i Newington-place, near 'Kennington-common. On Thursday , ‘lll-..1 'evening Mr. Gunthorp , 3 had a party of young ladies, and at welve o'clock the dec. cased retired to rest very cheerful. At ( a o'clock the next ) morning the family were alarmed by ng the barking of a dog, and on going down stairs the ased was found 13ring in the garden 'in her night-dress ti„k",;,, „,,ie,-,:qtr . l! dead, having falben from her bed-room window, where /I . opposed she had been att en di ng to some flowers, as was • usw..• Ibe jury , aft er a l ong i nqu i ry, returned a ver s... d' of " Accidental d( a ••• : .~~.1 .~ DENMARK. The following details of the explosion at Rends burg are taken from an official source : About noon yesterday a terrific report was heard, that shook the walls of the houses, broke all the glass in the windows thr oug h ou t the part of the town in the vicinity of the building, and shattered the tiling and slates of the roofs. For some minutes all was consternation, and many imagined that a bombardment of the town had begun, and that a Danish shell had fallen into their dwellings. Every one rushed from the upper rooms to the ground floor or into the streets. It was soon ascertained, however; that the laboratory on the Eider island had exploded, and that some of the houses nearest to it had been partially destroyed or set on fire. A rocket blown upon the stabling of the inn, the City of Hamburgh, set it in flames, but by the prompt assistance of the military, who were instantly called under arms, they were extinguished without doing much damage. There must have been, comparatively, but a small quantity of powder 'n the place, or the houses on the Parade could :arcely have escaped destruction ; it was princi pally shells and shrapnels in their completed state that exploded. The building in which the Danish prisoners are quartered is close to the laboratory, and the inmates and their guard rushed into the street at the first alarm ; some of them were wounded by falling splinters. Two horses in a waggon standing on the Parade fell to the ground after plunging violently when the explosion took place, and were found dead. General \Villisen im mediately took every measure to remove the alarm of the inhabitants. The whole garrison was under arms in five minutes after the accident, and the fire engines, which have recently been put in good order and exercised, were in readiness ; after an examina tion of the locality, the General issued the following notice : " The inhabitants of Rendsburg are informed that the explosion which has just occurred is only the conse quence of some of the ammunition in the laboratory having taken fire. The several magazines of the fortress are out of danger, and beyond a few shells which are pro bably still lying in the building, no further explosion is to be apprehended. The damage to the stores of the army is quite unimportant, and only the loss of a few lives is to be regretted. The inhabitants are hereby required to put their houses again in repair, and not to allow this misfortune to aeprive them of that calm confidence with which they had till now met every occurrence. "I cannot omit the expression of my thanks to the people of Rendsburg for the prompt assistance they ren dered on this occasion. " V. WILLISEN. " Rendsburg, August 7." In the first alarm many of the people were im pressed with the belief that the explosion was caused by some act of treachery, and had been the work of Danish agents. That impression will probably re main, though the supposition is perfectly groundless. To remove it the Civil Commissary at head•quarters, M. Schow, published a proclamation, which, though in part a repetition of General Willisen's, may be added:— " To calm the excitement in the public mind respect ing the explosion, by which a part of the laboratory of the fortress has been blown up, I beg to inform them, that though great damage has been done to the roofs and windows of the houses in tho town, and the loss of several lives is to be lamented, yet the damage in a military point of view is not material. The excident was caused by some splinters of iron among the matter with which shrapnels were being filled giving eat sparks in the process of pounding. It is a remarkable fact that the nine workmen engaged in this operation, and who were in the building where the explosion took place, have not been injured. .4 Rendsburg, Aug. 7." " CHII._SCEIOW. Oa ,the west coast of Schleswig the Danes are landing troops, and taking possession of the islands, without encountering any resistance. They have thus occupied. all the Island of Sylt. The whole of the coast, as far south as Fohr, is in the hands of the Danes ; and ftir the want of the means of defence by sea, the liolsteiners regard the loss of all the islands of the west coast as inevitable. The Danish journals state that the number of men and officers who have died of their wounds since the battle of Idstedt, and been buried in the churchyards of Flensburg, are—Danes, 456 privates and 33 offi cers ; Holsteiners, 148 privates and 12 officers. The number still lying in the hospitals at Flensburg is stated by the same authority to be 1,347. • The Holstein prisoners of war, as they arrive at Copenhagen, are placed on board a line-of-battle ship, which has been prepared for their reception in the same manner as in 1848. THE HARVEST AND CROPS IN SCOTLAND. PERTEMIIRE.—We do not 'remember to have seen the corn-fields pass from the green to the sear and yellow so rapidly as they have done the last two weeks. Indeed, we fear the transition has been too sudden, and that in the rapid process there has not - been time for thorough ripening. Harvest operations are partially commenced, not in this quarter only but even to the north of the Grampians, in A.thole and Strathtay ; and there as well as here the crops are all but ready for the scythe or sickle. Some patches of oats were cut on the Muirton on Friday last, and we believe they will commence their wheat harvest on Friday (yesterday). We believe we are correct in stating that reaping will be pretty general in this neighbourhood and in the Carse of Gowrie next week. It is worth noting, that in our compara tively high latitude and backward climate, the harvest this season is nearly as early as in the south of En gland. There reaping operations did not commence in earnest before this week.—Perthshire Advertiser. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, Augyst 12. The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Woolsack at Five o'clock. ABERDEENSIIIRE.—Drought has been the conti nual complaint during the whale summer, and up to Monday there has been but few intervals in the continued heat. The effect of this state of the weather is very visible ; but withal, there is less cause of complaint than might have been expected. The crops are, of course, in many plaees very short ; but, in general, the appearance, all things considered, averages pretty well.—Aberdeen Herald. - • AYRSHIR A E 'ND WIGTONSHIRE.—The crops con tinue generally to increase in luxuriance. Both oats and wheat promise to be heavy, beans look well, and turnips are crowding the drills. We have seen a large breadth of country since the date of our last, both in Wigtonshire, about Glenluce, and in Ayr shire, and heard nothing but congratulations on the expected bountiful harvest, in all but the potato crop, which, it would be wrong to conceal, has again shown unequivocal symptoms of disease. We think it is worse in Wigtonshire than in Arysbire as yet. At far famed Auchness we have the testimony of two expe rienced Ayrshire farmers for stating that the 60 acres of potatoes planted this year have been decidedly smitten with the disease, the smell being unmistakeable at a great distance. We have both seen and heard of the disease in many less noted places in Wigtonshire and Ayrshire. There is, however, an unusually great breadth planted, which may prevent scarcity. Hay is dearer than last year, owing chiefly to having been well consumed last season. Thrashed hay can be bought about 40s. to 453. per 100 stones of 24 lb. ; but the finest green cut hay fetches from 50s. to 60s. per 100 stones.—Ayr Advertiser. DUMFRIES-SHIRE. ••••• Reaping will be general around Dumfries in from a fortnight to three weeks, but various fields promise to be ready for the sickle before that time.—Dumfries Courier. ROXBURGIISHIRE.—Since our last the weather has been exceedingly'mild and propitious for bringing to maturity the crops. There have been frequent showers, which have refreshed the turnip roots, and have not to any extent lodged the corn crops, which promise to be even more abundant and prolific than the good harvest of last year.—Kelsa Chronide. ' FORTARSHIRE.—During the past eight days we have had excellent weather for filling the cereal crops and bringing them to maturity. The rains of Tuesday and Wednesday morning having reached the roots of the green crops, turnips and pasture have greatly revived, while the potatoes, which threatened to be small, will now swell, out, adding perhaps a third to the weight on the acre. Within these few days some patches of barley have been cut in our Links ; and, we believe, cutting is now rapidly going on at Dr. Guthrie, Eastern Dunlappy, as well as at Captain Hawkins, on Cairnbank. Should the present favourable weather continue, the barley har vest will be pretty general in the course of eight or ten days. All around this neighbourhood the potato crop has a most promising , appearance; and the farmers are beginning to sell them off, with confi dence, 'by publid roup, as was wont to be the case before the blight was known.—Montrose Standard. PETITIONS. Lord CAMPBELL presented a petition praying for an alteration in the law for arraigning prisoners, and that instead of being called on to plead not guilty, they should plead that they wished to be tried. Lord REDESDALE presented a petition from Port land against the Portland Harbour Bill. NATIONAL GALLERY (EDINBURGH) BILL. On the motion of the Earl of MOTO, this Bill was read a third time and passed. SPITALFIELDS AND SHOREDITCH NEW STREET BILL. This Bill was read a second time. PORTLAND HARBOUR BILL. _ _ _ The Earl of CARLISLE moved the committal of this Bill. ROYAL BOTANIC SOCIETY.—On Saturday last the yearly meeting of the members of this society took place at their gardens in the Regent's Park,when the chair was taken by Masterton - lire, Esq., in the ab , ence of the Duke of Norfolk, E.M., the President. The different reports of the council, the auditors, and th e curator, affordedaterial evidences of the advance made during the season, and of the increasing prosperity of the instit ut i on. The fellows passed a resolution recommending to the council the imme diate erection of a building for museum, lecture-roo m , and a considerable amount of subscriptions was reported during the meeting to have fellows were elected members of been received for this expre ss object. The following eight the council for the ensuing year , in the place of those going out by rotation :—The Duke of Beaufort, Sir E. Kerrison, i J. Olive, Esq., J. Hardwick, Esq., I. lleywood, E dinge; and the Duke of Norfolk and Edward Marjori an 1., the Bishop of Durham, Lord S)ndes. and Viscount sci . " b lja i r , ll i'- a fi,wnaenreciarie-setaletcetmedLtrsescpoettaigeldy detailed pres ide n and ttreasurer. as o f ur t e h r e . i , increased receipts from th e su b s criptions of members and the exhibitions o f p l ants an d fl owers. Th e to t a l i ncome of the society fro m it s var i ous sources during the year ending accounts the 15th ultim o , h a d amounted to the large sum of 14,180/. 165., and the expenditure to 10,4801. 6s. 10(1., leaving a balance of 3,7004 9s. 2d. cash in hand. After the votes of thanks usual on such occasions had been passed, the meet ing adjourned. Lord REDESDALE moved that it be referred to a Select Committee, in order to give private parties op posed to the Bill an opportunity of being heard. The Earl of CARLISLE thought all the parties in terested had already been heard both before a Com mission on the spot, and before a Select Committee of the House of Commons, and the inhabitants of the island had agreed to abide by the award of the Commissioners of Woods and Forests. Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and their Lordships divided, when there appeared— Contents (for the committal of the Bill) 18 Non•contents (for Lord Bedesdale's amendment) Majority for Ministers.... The Bill then passed through Committee. MEDICAL CHARITIES (IRELAND) BILL. On the order of the day for the second reading of this Bill being read, The Earl of LUCAN expressed a hope that this Bill would be referred to a Select Committee up stairs. Lord MONTEAGLE presented a petition from Leitrim against this Bill. He hoped the. Bill would be withdrawn, but that another Bill on the subject would be introduced next session. The Duke of LEINSTER said it was a most import ant measure, and if withdrawn, he. hoped it would be introduced next session with amendments and improve ments. Tho Earl of MOUNTCASHELL hoped the Bill would be withdrawn. The Earl of RODEN thought the subject was too important to be pressed at this late period of the session. ; Elie Earl of ST.•GERMANS ho . ped the Noble Lords on his side of the House would not object to affirm the principle of the Bill, if the Goiernment would withdraw it for the present session after the principle had been affirmed. The Earl of GLENGALL objected to the Bill alto gether. The medical men merely 'wanted places, and then, like hogs in a' farmyard, who have the swill given to them, would be quiet and contented, although before the swill was given them they disturbed the peace of the farmyard. The Marquis Of CLANRICARDE thought it advisa ble that the principle of the Bill should be affirmed, and after that had taken place he would not object, if the wish of the House were that it should be withdrawn, to withdraw it; but he left tho responsibility of with drawing it to their Lordships, Ho would, therefore, move the second reading, with the entire understanding that the Bill should not be proceeded with further. The Earl of LUCAN approved of the principle of central supervision. He would prefer the responsibility of postponing this Bill to the responsibility of hurrying it through their Lordships. He objected to the other House legislating totally independently of this. Lord REDESDALE said the Bill was introduced into the House of Commons, and did not: reach their Lordship: until August. • The Marquis ot CLANRICARDE said there had been several petitions presented in favour of the Bill, but not one petition had been presented to their Lordships against it. The Bill was then reads second time. SUMMARY JURISDICTIONS (IRELAND) BILL The Marquis of CLANRICARDE moved that this Bill be read a third time. • The Earl ot LUCAN thought that some measure should be adopted to prevent tenants running off with their crops and' cheating• their landlords. lie had objected to the Landlord and Tenant Bill, but ha thotight some measure ought to be adopted to put a stop to the present system of plunder, and if the Government were in ear nest in this expressed desire to put a stop to it they could not object to his motion. Ie proposed to insert a clause giving to the Irish proprietor the same protection that the English proprietor had. The Noble Earl then proposed a clause; giving power to justices in petty sessions to hear and adjudicate•upon complaints brought by landlords against tenants for clandestinely removing crops. _ . The Marquis of CLANRICARDE objected to the clause, as having no relation whatever to the Bill. The landlord and tenaut question was one of such importance that it could only be legislated for as a whole; it would be most unjust and impolitic to snake portions of the question the subject of a one-sided and piecemeal legislation. The Earl of GLENGALL supported the clause. It was ,only in consequence of the recommendation of the most absurd of reports. the Devon Commission Report, that the power of distraining on growing crops was taken away from the Irish landlords; that was piecemeal legisla tion. He understood that in the concoction of that re port each Commissioner was permitted to recommend his own nostrum. Lord REDESDALE thought the clause ought to be inserted, yet he could not forget that a Bill involving this principle had been rejected by the House of Com mons, and he hoped his Noble Friend would withdraw his clauie. The Earl cf LUCAN was determined to press his clause to a division. Lord MONTEAGLE hoped the clause would not be pressed, although he thought the subject ono demanding legislative interference. The Earl of LUCAN said the object of the House of Commons was to remove all protection from the Irish landlords.—(' No, no," from Earl Grey.) He was not sur prised at the interruption of the Noble Earl, as his relative had opposed the Bill in the House of Commons. He was astonished the Noble Earl had remained silent so long. Earl GREY explained. He considered the report was very fit for the consideration of Parliament, but he thought it impolitic to risk the loss of this Bill by the introduction of such a clause. The Earl of LUCAN was determined to divide. Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and their Lordships divided, when there appeared— Contents (for the clause) Non-contents ... Majority for Ministers... The . clatrie was consequently rejected. The Earl of LUCAN said be could not allow the Bill to pas without giving the House yet another opportu nity of doing simple justice to the landed proprietors of Ireland. It was solely owing to the detective state of the law that the system of evictions and the pulling down of houses prevailed to so unfortunate an extent in that country, and which he could assure their Lordships was quite contrary to the wishes of the proprietors. The 31st clause of this Bill invested the justices with juris diction over the occupiers of houses and parts of houses, provided these houses were situated in a city. town, or village; and he contended that if it were good to invest the justices with this jurisdiction in regard to houses in towns, it was equally good to extend it to houses and lands in every part of the country. By doing this the law in Ireland would also, to a certain extent, be assimi• lated to the law of England. The Noble Earl then pro posed an amendment with this object in view, and said that if the Noble Marquis opposite chose to reject the amendment, upon him would rest the responsibility of all the ejectments and pulling down of houses that might occur during the approaching recess. The Marquis of CLANRICARDE opposed the amend ment, which was thereupon negatived without a division. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE laid upon the table a report from the Committee of Council upon Education, an account of the proceedings of the Commissioners un der the Irish Encumbered Estates Act, and other papers, by comrsiand of her Majesty. CRIME AND OUTRAGE (IRELAND) BILL. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE moved the first reading of this Bill, which he stated had just been brought up from the House of Commons. The Noble Marquis explained that the Bill was, in substance, the same as that which had already received their Lordships' assent; but on its going down to the other House it was discovered there that one of its clauses interfered with the privileges of that House. In consequence, that Bill was obliged to be laid aside; but another was at once brought in, which had since passed the Commons, and had now reached their Lordships' House. He begged to move that the Bill be read a first time, and to give notice that to-morrow be should move the suspension of the standing orders, for the purpose of passing the Bill without further delay. The Bill was then read a first time. The Commons' amendments on the Small Tenants Rating Bill were agreed to. FRIENDLY SOCIETIES BILL. Lord BEAUMONT moved the second reading of this Bill, which, he said, had undergone considerable discus. sion in the other House of Parliament, and which, as a measure of necessity, it was of vital importance should be passed in the present session. Lord REDESDALE said that the Bill had not come up from the Commons until Friday last, and that, there fore, it was almost impossible that their Lordships could have given its, provisions the necessary consideration. But independent of that circumstance, he objected to the measure itself, as introducing a new principls with re ference to these societies, the effect of which would be to legalize institutions which, though assuming to be pro vident in their character, might again become secret societies, and prove most dangerous to the community. He did not object to the second reading of the Bill, but ho recommended the Noble Lord to strike out all those words that make a difference between registered socie ties and eertiQcated societies. Lord MONTEAGLE supported the measure, and was glad to perceive that it dealt so effectually with the evils of burial societies. Lord REDESDALE suggested that the Bill should be so worded as t o o bli ge t h ose societies to give up their secret signs. ... ... 22 ... -16• The Bill wzls then read a second time. The Poor Relief Bill was read a third time and passed. The London Bridge Approaches Bill was read a first The Customs Bill and the Stamp Duties (No. 2) Bill severally went through Committee. The Assizes (Ireland) Bill also went through Com a-0410% The :Jan - It:is of CLA YWCA:IDE having moved that the report upon the Securities (Ireland) Amendment Bill be received, The LORD CHANCELLOR reiterated many of the On the 19th ult. the ship CharleF, Crooker, Duncan master, cleared from Charleston for Liverpool with 523 b4les of Sea Island and 3,667 bales of Upland cotton, weighing 1,681,0551b5., valued at 230,385 dollars 85 cents.; being the largest and most valuable cargo ever exported from that port. THE SUN, LOND:ON, TUESDAY EVENING, AUGUST 13, 1850. objections he had urged against this Bill, and declared his intention to oppose it in its present form. He hoped, however, that the measure could be yet so amended as to remove those objections which he enter tained towards it. Lord GLENGALL supported the Bill, as he thought that nothing could be fairer than the principle which it involved. The report was then brought up. The Police Superannuation Fund Bill was read a third time and passed. The other Bills upon the paper were.then forwarded a stage, and their Lordships adjourned. ROUSE OF COMMOIYS, August 8. The SPEAKER took the Chair in the new House at Three o'clock. session, perhaps, rendered it necessary, but he protested against the pro3eedings which the House had lately wit nessed. - Formerly Honourable Members had the Wednesday and Saturday to themielves, but now they not only sat at all hours of the night, but all hours of the day, and he fully expected that next ses , ion they Would be callod to sit on Sundays.—(Hear.) The report was then agreed to. The Holyhead Harbour Bill was read a third time and passed. The Lords' amendments to the Commons' amendments on the Ecllesiastical Commission Bill were considered and agreed to. LONDON-BRIDGE APPROACHES BILL. PRIVATE BUSINESS. The Lords' amendments to the followings Bills were considered and agreed to:— Hartlepool West Harbour and Docks. Oxford, Worcester, and Wolverhampton Railway. The Bills; were afterwards read a third time and passed. STANDING ORDERS REVISION COMMITTEE. Mr. W. PATEEN moved the adoption of the report of the Standing Orders Revision Committee, and ex plained the alterations recommended by the Committee, the tchief of which was that the officer of Breviates should in future devote his entire services and attention to the chairman of Ways and Means, with the view of assisting him in disposing of the private business that came before the House. The Committee also recom mended that the Chairman of the Ways and Means should have power to make unopposed Bills opposed fur the purpose of having their merits fully investigated. Mr. LABOUCHERE thought the House could not do better than adopt the alterations recommended by the Committee, and took the opportunity of thanking the Hon. Gentleman the Member for North Lancashire for the time, care, and attention which he bad devoted to the private business of the House. Mr. BERNAL also added his weed of praise to the acknowledgment of the Right Hon: the President of the Board of Trade. On the motion fur the third reading of this Bill, 'Air. HUME again took the opportunity of protesting against the continuance of the coal tax, and hoped it would be abolished es soon as po3sible. The Bill was then read a third time, and passed. The Union of Liberties with Counties (Ireland) Bill was read a third time and pasSed. The Improvement of Towns (Ireland) Bill was read a second time. The Court of Prerogative (Ireland) Bill passed through Committee. THE -RAJA OF SAT PARA.. Mr. HUME asked Sir. John flobhouse, the Pre sident of the Board of Control, what provision had been made for the widow and adopted son of the late Pertaub Sing, Raja of Sattara, now detained in exile. at Benares, and the reasons for withholding from the legal heir the private property of which his late Highness was peesessed at the time of his deposition, and which, according to the documents on the table of the House, it was guaranteed by the Governor of Bombay and by the political resident, Colonel Ovans, should be held at his disposal? He was very unwilling to trouble the House on this matter ; but a sense of justice to the injured obliged him to put that question to his Right Hon. Friend (Sir John Hob house). The House would allow him to state that the late Pertauh Singh, Raja of Sattara, died in exile at Benares, and that .his followers, amounting to several hundreds, and his widow and adopted son remained there. The widew and her adopted son expected that a liberal provision would have been made to them in lieu of the private property possessed by the late Raja at the time of his deposition, which yielded an income of about 167,0001. ci e yeir. He (Hr. Hume) therefore wished to ask his Right Honourable Friend (Sir John Hobhouse) what measures had been taken with respect to the family, and :what mai thci amount fixed for them. By a return made to the House a few days ago it seemed the Government of had refused to allow them to take possession of the private property which belonged to his late highness the Baja. That did appear to him (Mr. Hume) an insulting and arbitrary course of conduct, and he only wanted his Right Honourable Friend to state what the arrangements were. Ho did think this a case which called loudly for justice to be done. The House had the statement of the Governor of - the country that at the time of the deposition of the Raja, whea the Government took posseesion of his private property, that the value of that property amounted to many thousand pounds. The Go vernment now refused to give any account of that pro perty, alleging that the 13,0001. a-year guaranteed to the late Raja was in full of all demands. If there was any undertaking with reference to this 12,0001., or that, if it were to be allawed, it was to be in full of all de mands, such a document was unknown to the family, and it was unknown to him (Mr. Hume). Under these circumstances he really_ did. pat it to his Right Hon. Friend (Sir John Hobhouse) and to the House, as a matter of justice and humanity, whether the Govern ment were acting liberally to the widow and the adopted son of the late Raja. Mr. HUME thought the alterations which had been recommended were great improvements, and had les sened the labour Connected with the priv a te b us in ess; but it was the opinion of two Committees that a large proportion of the private business which now occupied a great deal of the time of the House could be managed without coining before the House at all. , After a few words from Mr. WILSON PATTEN, . The report was adopted, the standing orders were read, and the alterations made in them as recommended, Sir J. lIOBHOUSE—Mr. Speaker, the question put to mo by my Hon. Friend is in a great degree entered on the paper to which he has alluded, that is to say, with referenee to the provision the Government pro posed to make for the widow and the adopted son of the late Pertaub Singh, Raja of Sattara. .My Honourable Friend is aware, that when Sir James Cameo first of all made a statement of the previsio❑ intended for the family of the ex-Raja, the statement given to the adopted Raja was that the widow should receive 800 rupees a month after his death. When he died, that sum was offered to the Re nee, the surviving widow, but she refused to receive it, stating it was inadequate. In conse quence of the opinion so entertained by her, the home authorities communicated with the Indian authorities, and instructed them to make an. addition to that sum, not only for the widow but also for the adopted son ; and, as my Honourable Friend haa now stated, the- sum which has been fixed on for the main tenance of the surviving widow and adopted son is ex : actly three times the amount which was fixed on by the ainainistratien of Sir -James Carnac, when he made - his first arrangement. Whether that sum is sufficient or not admits of question ; but no person can say that suf ficient attention has not been paid to this subject, when exactly' three times the amount of allowance which was originally proposed by Sir J. Carnac has been fixed on for _the maintenance.of the surviving widow and adopted son. Indeed it was not until the death of the ex-Raja that the sum was said to be insufficient. My Honourable _Friend - is miStaken when he says that there was no understanding with reference to this 12,0001., or that if the 12,0001. a year were allowed that it should be in full of all demands, for I hold in my hand a copy of a letter which may he ' seen in the Parliamentary papers of 1843, page 296 a letter from the Secretary of the Bombay Government to the Secretary of the Government in India, that is to say from Sir James Carnac to Lord Falkland—in which these words occur: " The Government deem it necessary to state that thoyhave gone into the whole claim" advanced by the ex-Raja," that is with reference to his private property, "and they think his claims should bo declared inadmissible, except that which relates to property, which can be shown to have belonged to him privately. The 120,000 rupees, therefore, which are to be paid to him, that is the 12,0001. a year for himself, are to be paid in satisfaction of all demands whatsoever against the Sattara Government." That was the letter written by the Secretary at Bombay, which will be seen, as I have stated, amongst the Parliamentary papers, and which was communicated to the ex-Raja. In fact, - I know he was 'cognizant of it and of the Whole arrangement that was made not only with himself, but with all the otter parties for I happened at the time'to hold the same place that I do now, and I remember that the 12,000 L, all things con sidered together, was thought to be ample remuneration. With respect to the other part of what my Honour able Friend says, that there was a guarantee, I beg to tell him that there was no guarantee, none whatever, with respect to the private property of the Raja. The only understanding that I ever heard of was that whatever be could prove to be his private property he should have, and my Hon. Friend must be quite aware of this, that the reigning Raja, the brother who succeeded him, complained that when he went to Benares he took away with him more than was his private property, both in jewels and in money. My Honourable Friend says he was not deprived of the money, hut at the same time the claim to it was ex amined by the Secretary to the Bombay Government, and he, as well as Lord Falkland, declared this claim to be inadmissible. Having said thus much, I will inform my llotiourable Friend in public what I have already told him in private, namely, that I think this claim should be re-inquired into as far as pos-. sible, and, I have written privately to Lord Falk land, telling him what my views are on the subject. Very possibly on receiving my letter be will cause inquiry to be made into the matter. I will also tell my Hon. Friend that I think, with the G overnment, the allowance was ample, so far as the ex-Baja was concerned; but I must-who add that 'I do 'not agree with the Bombay Government with regard to the allowance to the family of the Ranee of Sattara,' and this will be seen' by the papers. ISLAND OF JERSEY. Mr. HUME asked Sir G. Grey whether any measures had been adopted by the Government of the island cf Jersey to carry into effect,the alterations recommended by the Commissioners that inquired and reported on the state of law in that island? Sir GEORGE GREY said the Government of the island, in accordance with the recommendations of the Commissioners, had made some very material alterations in the criminal law, and those alterations, in com plianee with the usual course pursued on such occa sions, had been referred to the Attorney and Soli citor• General, and they were at present under their consideration; and he had no doubt they would devote that time and attention to them which the importance and magnitude of the subject demanded. THE RIVER PLATE. Mr. SMYTHE asked the Foreign Secretary whether there was any objection to lay before Parliament copies of instructions to Mr. good, senior, Lard Howden, Captain Gore, Mr. Hood, junior, and Mr. Southern, some time agents in La Plata ; whether our relations with France in La Plata were of such a nature as to afford any hope of a successful issue from the offer of one good offices made in - the third article - of the new Convention; and whether security to the lives and pro perty, of British subjects residing in the Banda Oriental had been guaranteed? Lord PALMERSTON replied, that as the instruc tions which had -been sent out in regard to the affairs of La Plata •had concluded in a treaty, it would not be consistent with his public slaty to produce the cor respondence, because it was obvious great inconveni ence might arise from such a course. That treaty he considered to be very satisfactory. With re gard to our relations with France, the Govern ment had thought it better for the interest of all parties to conclude their treaty with General Roses and the Argentine Republic without waiting the result of the negotiations which were going on at the time in France. As regarded the security afforded to British subjects, he had not the slightest ap prehension that their persons or property would bo sub ject.to any danger. A messenger appeared at the table, and brought up from the House of Lords the Duke of Cambridge's Estate Bill, agreed to by their Lordships. PROGRESS OF PUBLIC BUSINESS. Sir B. HALL then rose to call the attention of the House to a return headed " Public Bills," lately printed by order of the House, with the view of making some observations in regard to the progress of public business during the present session, in the hope that next session their time would be better occupied. He might state at the outset, he thought, without fear, of contradiction, that in no previous session, since the passing of the Reform Act, had there been a nacre nazi desire to transact and get through the business. Dueing the whole s , gsion they had eat 1,041 honre, had hidd 149 sittings, over a space of twenty-five weeks, ex sive_of holidays, and/ averaging 100 hours for the Wednesday sittingsi this gave 10 hours a day for four days a week during the whole ses sion. All this was exclusive of :Committee, work, to which most Hon. Members were obliged to at tend. He thought it would he advisable if, during the recess, Government were to consider the subject and in the next session bring forward some seggeetions which should have the effect of remedying this of which he compliiined, Last year the House . sat 932 hours, and the Government passed eighty-nine Bills, whilst this year up to the Ist of August they had only passed fifty-eight. The Hon. Baronet then called the attention of the House to a return of the name or title of every public Bill ordered to be brought in during the present session of Parliament, the date of such order, the dates of the first reading, and the several stages of each Bill, and the dates of every postponement between each stage of the Bill, up to Wednesday, the 31st of July inclusive. This return showed the number of Bills brought in by the Government to be ninety-five. The Appointment to Office Bill was read a first time on the 9th of July, a second time on the 12th July, and the Committee was deferred five times. The Australian Colonies Government Bill was read a first time on the llth of February, and passed through on the 6th of May. The Brick Duties Bill was brought in on the 18th of March, and passed without much opposition. The Charitable Trusts Bill was brought in on the Bth of Fe bruary, the second reading was deferred eleven times, the Committee thirteen times, the Bill was considered as amended four times, the third reading deferred five times, and lingered through the House till the 25th July. The Chief Justices Salaries Bill was brought in on the 11th March, the Committee was deterred twice, there were 11 other postponements, and nothing more was heard of it till the Ist of August. Now be wished to remind -the House that the Government had always carried any Bill when they evinced a determination to do so, and as a proof of this he would refer to the Duke of Cambridge's Annuity Bill, whilst in other cases delays innumerable had taken place. A great deal of time had been spent in the introduction of Bills which were never intended to be carried. The Fees (Court of Chancery) Bill was in troduced on the 25th of April; the second reeding was deferred three times; the Committee 14 times; and on 25th of July it was withdrawn. The Highways Bill was introduced on the 13th February; the Committee was deferred 13 times; and on the 12th July it was with drawn. The Incorporation of Boroughs Confirmation Bill was withdrawn under similar circumstances. The Landlord and Tenant Bill was introduced on the 14th February, deferred 15 times, and nothing more was heard of it till the Ist August. The LOrd-Lieutenancy Abolition Bill was brought in on the .17th May, and read a second time on the 17th June, and aereed to almost unanimously; and yet it was withdrawn on the 4th July. But the Marlborough House Bill, which was introduced on the 30th July, was about to become law. The Mercantile Marine Bill was introduced on 11 th Feb., the second reading was deferred five times, and the Bill was then withdrawn and another introduced. The Merchant Seamen's Fund Bill was introduced on the 1 lth Feb., the second reeding was deferred fifteen times, and it was withdrawn on the Bth July. The Merchants Shipping Bill was brought in on the same day, deterred five times, and withdrawn on the 19th April. The Metropolitan Interments Bill was introduced on the 15th April, and passed on the 20th June, the Govern ment showing a determination to carry it through. The Oath of Abjuration (Jews) Bill was brought in on the 30:11 May, the second reading was deterred four times, and it was withdrawn on the 22d July. The Parochial Assessments Bill was introduced on the Bth April, de ferred five times, and withdrawn on the Bth July. The Public Health (Scotland) Bill was introduced on the 6th March, read a second time on the 1201 April, and, after the Committee had been deferred five times, was with drawn. The Savings Bank Bill was introduced on the 29th April, the second reading deferred eleven times, and no further notice taken of it till-the Ist of August. The Stamp Duties Bill was brought in on the 22d March, and lingered on till the 10th May, when it was put off for six months. Another Bill of this same hind was brought in on the 16th May; the Committee was de ferred eleven times. and no notice was taken of it till the let of August. The Woods and Forests Bill was brought in on the 22d February, and no step was taken till the 4th July, when it was withdrawn. Now, what was the summary of useful measures which had been passed up to the Ist of August ? The Australian Colonies Bill, the Brick Duties Bill, the Charitable Trusts Bill, the Mercantile Maxine Bill, the Metropolitan Interments Bill, ,and the Parlia mentary Voters (Ireland) Bill. There was another Bill which showed that the Government could pass measures When they chose to do so—namely, the Ecclesiastical Commission Bill. He trusted they would consider the great evils which arose from this mode of conducting the public businm,, and believed that if they would arrange their business in a more efficient manner it would have a beneficial effect on the plans of independent Members, by whom fifty-eight Bills had been introduced and eighteen passed. One of the great evils of the present system was that Members scarcely knew what business was to be proceeded with on Government nights. The Hbn. Baronet concluded by moving for a return in continua tion of the paper headed " Public Bills," up to the pre. sent time. The motion having been seconded, Lord J. RUSSELL said he could not agree with the Hon. Baronet in the general purport of his remarks, for it appeared to him that the House of Commons con ducted a greater amount of public business than any other assembly in Europe. The Hon. Baronet said that Hon. Members were not aware of the business intended to be proceeded with on Government nights. Such' a complaint might have been well-founded twenty or thirty years ago, but he (Lord J. Russell) had altered the system which formerly prevailed, by naming in the votes the first two or three orders which would take precedence and be likely to occupy the time of the House; and a further regulation had been made, that the orders should be taken as they stood on the paper. The Hon. Baronet had omitted to notice that a considerable' portion of time was occupied with the estimates. When it was considered that in the course of a month the Government had only about ten nights, Hon. Members must be aware that some five or six weeks were consumed in the considera• lion of that department of the public service. Consider ing this circumstance, and the importance of the sub jects broueht forward for discussion, and the interest taken by 'Hon. Members in many of those subjects, it was almost surprising that the House should be able to pass so many important Bills through their different stages. The Hon. Baronet complained that many Bills had been brought forward which were not proceeded with. But there were various reasons for not always pressing Bills forward. The Government considering a Bill useful for the. public interest might feel completely justified in introducing it; but Honourable Members might take a different view of it, and the public might entertain . such a strong feeling against it, that it might be desirable eventually to withdraw it. He would just mention the Education Bill, which was very much al tered, and subsequently given up. He considered the Government not to blame either for introducing or aban doning a Bill, for it was impossible to foresee the impres sion which might exist either in the minds of Hon. Mem bers or the public. With respect to the Landlord and Tenant (Iceland) Bill, that subject had been very much considered. It was sent to a Committee, consisting chiefly of Irish Members, and reported with amend ments, but when it was sent to Ireland it did not give satisfaction. Then, with respect to the Lord-Lieute nancy Abolition Bill, which was generally approved of by the House and the country—in that case a question arose with respect to the appointment of a fourth Secre tary of State, respecting which considerable doubt was entertained. Then with respect to the admission of the Jews, the time intended to be devoted to that Bill was occupied by the debate on foreign effairs, and if it had been sent up to the other House at the beginning of August, an objection might have been raised to the con sideration of a measure , of such importance at so late a period. There mere several other Bills with respect to which similar observations might be made. On the Court of Chancery, and other Bills, Committees had been sitting which entertained very different views from the Government, and he did not think that the time which those discussions had occupied had been lost, in asmuch as discussions of that nature frequently led to the discovery of modes by which objections might be obviated.—(Hear, hear.) Some Bills required and often received long consideration, and he would just mention the County Courts Bill as an instance. In the year 1823 or 1824, Earl Spencer introduced a Bill of that description, which was approved of by everybody, but was not carried. It was re-introduced by various Governments and not carried until 1846 after about 24 years' discussion. Perhaps if the Hon. Baronet was at the head of the Ministry he might be able to devise proper measures, and might succeed in rendering all the details acceptable to Parliament. With respect to the Woods and Forests Bill, the House might recollect that after that Bill was introduced a change took place in the office of the Woods and Forests which rendered it desirable that extensive alterations should be made in the Bill, Being desirous, that full time should be given to his Noble Friend who was appointed to the office of Chief Commissioner to consider the alterations proposed, he had thought it better that the Bill should be withdrawn. He should not go further into the va rious questions raised by the Hon. Baronet. There had been several very important Bills introduced and carried in the course of the session, on every one of which great pains had been bestowed. The Australian Colonies Bill had taken up a great portion of the time of the House; but no one would deny that in the course of the discus sion various views had been developed by the Right Hon. Gentleman the Member for Oxford, and:other Hon. Members, which were well worthy the attention of the House. Another measure of great importance—the Metropolitan Interments Act—took up a considerable share of their time. Mr. BRIGHT—OnIy one night. Sir B. HALL—It was discUssed chiefly in morning sittings. Lord J. RUSSELL said that the impression left on his mind was, that it had been discussed at very great length.—(A laugh.) He thought that local prejudices had had a great effect in obstructing the progress of that Bill, which, in his opinion, was a very useful and ne cessary measure of reform.—(Hoar, hear.) No doubt one obstacle to speedy legislation now-a-days was the increased number of Members desirous of discussing measures. More attention was bestowed now on every measufe brought forward than was formerly the case, and consequently a greater portion of time was consumed in legislation. In former days the debates were gene rally limited to four or five speakers, regarded as leading Members; and on a great number of Bills pasted in former days no traces of a debate existed. But now-a•days that was not the case, and the result was, more time was con sumed in considering and discussing political measures. However, lee thought there was every ninon to be sa tisfied with the close attention which the House had he. crowed pittetiesiffikir3 during the rresE.nt session. 'The attention which had been given to the - various sulliets brought before them, more parti..ularly to the id eti ,, ro , Titan Interments Bi,ll and to the Australian Colones pill, confirmed hlin in the belief that there was no public MERCANTILE MARINE BILL. On the motion of Mr. LABOUCHERE, the Lords' amendments to the Mercantile Marine Bill were agreed to. PETITIONS. Mr. G. A. HAMILTON presented a petition from Dublin, complaining of certain provisions in the Medi cal Charities (Ireland) Bill, and of the he.s'y manner in which the Bill was passed through Committee. Sir G. GREY presented a petition from certain coal owners in Northumberland and Durham against the application of the coal tax, and in defraying the expense of-any improvements in L indon. CRIME AND OUTRAGE ACT (IRELAND) CON TINUANCE (No. 2) BILL. On the motion for the third reading of this Bill, Mr. G. THOMPSON moved that the Bill be read a third time this day three months, because he believed that it was wholly unnecessary, because no case.had been made out for the continuance of so obnoxious a measure, and because it would have a tendency directly the opposite of that which her Majesty's Ministers proposed it should have in tranquillizing Ireland. He considered that though the Bill might put powers in the hands of the Lord-Lieutenant to repress crime and to punish those who might offend against it, it would arm tens of thousands of individuals with a strong argument to use against the Government, more especially as no measure either before the House or promised, or which had been passed, went to the root of those evils in respect of which the present Bill had been introduced. The Bill was not only unnecessary, but it was an insult, an injustice, and an outrage upon the Irish people.—(Hear.) It should not he forgotten, in connexion with the mea sure that when the liberties of Ireland were placed in jeopardy only 15 out of 105 Irish Members could be found to vote against the continuance of an arbi trary and unconstitutional form of government for a further period of three years.—(Hear, hear.) Oa the second reading of the Bill, Mr. O'Connell moved an amendment to the effect that the Bill would tend to aggravate crime and outrage in Ireland, and on that oc casion the Noble Lord now at the head of the Govern ment, and the greater part of the present Ministry, voted against the amendment, though many of the Ho nourable Gentlemen on that side of the House then voted with Mr. O'Connell against the Coercion Bill, and now voted with the Noble Lord in favour of a Coercion Bill. Oa the third reading of the Bill, in 1846, the greater part •of the present Ministry voted against the Bill, and now, in 1850, they were found voting in favour of a similar measure. On that occasion Sir Robert Peel was turned out. of office, and the Noble Lord formed a Ministry, and attempted to govern Irelatid. In 1847 the Noble Lord was placed in the humiliating, position of recommending the same measure in her Majesty's Speech, the adoption of which he' had the year before opposed. That measure was passed. It was now expired, and they were called upon to continue it; but if the House did justice to themselves and the country, they would refuse its continuance. What was the case made out for the present Bill? Some months ago they were told frum the Throne that peace and .tranquillity prevailed in Ireland. Now, had this state of things changed? He for one said it bad not, and yet they were called upon to pass the Bill in the absence of any case in its favour. The total number of crimes and outrages com mitted or reported in Ireland in the past year amounted to 1,344, while in 1845, when Sir Robert Peel proposed to pass his Bill, the number reported in excess of the previous• year amounted to 1,975, or 631 less than the returns of last year. In the face of these figures, then, could any one dare to assert that a case existed to justify the passing of this obnoxious Bill, sanctioning peralties that were utterly at variance with the principles of the constitution? It could not bo that this Bill was proposed because they had had no experience of coercion, for ever since the Act of Union the policy of every Government to wards Ireland had been based upon coercion. Before, therefore, he could consent to make this Bill law he must have some further information in its favour. In 1846 the Noble Lord at the head of the present Government called upon the Admi nistration under Sir Robert Peel to go at once to the root of the Irish evil, and,- abandoning coercion, try, the effect of remedial measures. Now he made the same call upon tho Noble Lord himself. Why. Could not Parliament be asembled tegether in Novem ber next, expressly to consider the Irish ques tion? The fact was, the Noble Lord suffered himself to be forced into legislating for the few at the ex pense of the many, but ho hoped ere long the Noble Lerd would be induced to follow the dictates of his better nature, and reverse that policy. He concluded by mov ing that the Bill be read a third 'time that day three months, declaring that he would resist the measure to the very last. Mr. MOORE tendered the English Members who had opposed this Bill his best thanks for the service they had rendered to Ireland on this occasion, though ho should have liked it much better if that support had been given with less of self-glorification and less of. asperity. He concluded by seconding the motion. • Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL regretted her Majesty's Mi nisters had thought it necessary to propose the conti nuance of the Crime and Outrage Act. •He believed that a mild remedy was much more likely to cure the disease under which Ireland laboured then the severe one which was involved in this Bill. ; He wtsuld now, as he had always done. oppose the further progress of the Bill. Mr. W. WILLIAMS said he little thought that the first vote he should give aftST his return to that House would be upon an Irish Coercion Bill. Coercion Bills and standing armies still ruled the Government of Ire land, as they had always done. Those Coercion Bills had been passed over and over again, and still crime had gone on in the country •in scarcely any diminiehed ratio. The cause Of crime in Ireland was that the hands of the oppressed - were raised against their oppressors. In consequence of the number of evictions which had t a k en place, thousands of people were lei destitute in the high roads to perish from want of -proper food and clothing; and yet the Noble Level (Lord John Russell) not only had it in his power to remedy that evil by a measure for improving the relations between landlord and tenant, but might b e enabled,' by some such measure, to stay the hand of the assassin much better than by an act of coercion like the present.' He had been in every part of Ireland, and he declared he bad never seen in any other part of the world the people in so miserable and wretched a condition. The serfs of Russia and the savage Indians ini America were much better off. Instead of the revenue derived from Ireland being employed for the legitimate pnpose of improving the condition of the country, it was ex pended upon a standing army, and the other accompa ninients of a coercive Government. It had been said, all the evils of Ireland arose from the people themselves, but he denied that it was so. He had seen Irishmen in our North American provinces; and in all parts of the United States, competing successfully in every branch of industry 'with Englishmen, Scotchmen, French- He thought that all th e h m e en, fo ' u a n n d d thDeumtchinmfeenri,or. a dd in no instance h a d was to be attributed to b a d misery of the Irish people and unjust urtmlaeWass,ae for theirnditrestreedliwefi.th the Noble Lord t o pass Sir C. ARMSTRONG objected to the Bill, observing ;hat the condition of Ireland arose from our vicious ,egislation. The House then divided, when there appeared— For the third reading ..• ... 75 Against it ... Majority •• • -54 The Bill was then read a third time and passed. The Lough Corrib Improvement Company Compen sation (Ireland) Bill was read a third time and passed. On the consideration of the amendments to the Copy. right of Designs Act Amendment Bill, Culonel SIBTHORP stigmatised this Bill as one of those free-trade measures which the present Ministers introduced to please their party. This was of a piece with that piece of tom-foolery of the Exhibition of 1851. They wer e th row i ng cold water upon the industry of the British manuf ac t u rer, they were undermining the con stitution, an d t h e y s hould beware lest they should be setting in motion that which the y could not sto p . There was a rep ort t h at t h e Right Hon. Baronet the Secretary of State for the Home Department intended to increase the police force, and he should be glad t - , know from the Right Hen. Gentle.inan himself if there was any truth in the l'ilX,IL lie believed thtt such a measure woul d be necessay, and an increase in the taxation would follow as a ina , ter of cuurse. I; was proposed after they had received the report that they should at once proceed to the third reading. The state of .the ... _ _.. ---------- assembly, either of the present or got through so much business as the llouse of COP'' of this country.—(llo r, hear.) robs b V , Mr. BRIG EIT said he did not deny that coruco, 200 Members of that House had been forinertiraeee ___shenicii, during the last sx months than ebt that picked out of any parish in England. g e 001 9 1 .1ers a o n the Government should take it iuto their eon l'.!_ s i e ese whether a better mode of conducting publictb3etn many i could not be adopted. It appeared to ban • 05 01 ef f not a ll the details of measures might be chsn. ,_. o f by se ctions of the House, and.that only the princienne. a measure should be reserved for the discassieseasseed on any 112040rdalrabourers vision of the whole House. Ile had alwaY S Prfodlerci Government the necessity of considering the ce A conference had been sitting in Dublin On thiS S ti L bJ : c ird 1 0 and T e na n t Bill as a measure of the first importer!. ; i ncl had been attended by men of all parties. Thoug h q ba , c ur agree fi with all that had been said and done ta' __ eote 0 )rence, h e could not deny that it threatened to et _ d es , agitation much more formidable than any that es so oe isted of late years in Ireland• lie hoped the t his Lord would be prepared to submit a eneasaretemi 0 subject next session of a character so aris e j oe. justified in carriirg would be • Reference had been made to the Conentatee'l,ospeet House. He wished to make a retasrk With 00 1 to what had been said of the ComMittee bad ii ihrOligh . t he . o f lb° salaries. A Noble and Learned Lord her f over,' in another place that the Committee stated o f .tsar ignorant men.''—(A laugh.) Ile doubted villein Dora, quite Parliamentary for any Noble and Leara'"ejoi was con e % fio rd to bay that a Committee of that House " very ignorant men." That Noble and Learne d bis i , complained that the Committee bad not as„r e ,,, DP on the subject of the office and salary o f 1,10 hits Chancellor. If the Committee did not exaa'll4o,o6l (i- e., the Noble and Learned Lord) it was, 11,,°$neer be the Noble and Learned Lord bed not as" e "cf hen '', over again to be examined.---(Lsoghter') a eet be( l 'e. proposal was submitted to the COrnatittee .":, he ese Noble and Learned Lord) should be examine°, e '" d De rd) versal opinion was that be (the Noble and Leskrlelolightesli could not give any information likely to have t' atr y,--( ° weight either in the House or in t he eel! _ chi t laugh.) The Committee needed not to regard ta t e le a Dot brought against them by the Nobles and „,L es n r years s l as anything very formidable.—(Her.) •"• "- g o b's i' ll the 0 d ial l he had had a passage at arms with earned individual in question, and the gell e d jit 111 was, that he (Mr. Bright) had not been fel no mot contest. The Noble and Learned Lord O s 0 1 0 0 formidable now. Admired and honoured be 0 3 1 , eb 0 been wls foimerly, but now he was worse than riche y bin ri •,, u to ts be pitied .—(A laugh.) 11 0 wig " °Y heg ti: Id And hattrearcefoorfhgtslorrye:autna,tthotas rwaocue.dof it b e he eg2tl I be " ,o• sal' Would that his tongue and e- pen (Hear, hear.) bit °43- Mr. A. STAFFORD didnot •se to interfere o f 0 ri . _ Le ,e,ieot _ 0 the Hon. Member wrath.—(A laugh.) H e • ty to sSr Pr wished mere or 0 I thought the complaint made by the o°o. 3 5 ).° wed i b bs t i site as to the mode of conducting bas ilic° d i° Ile ' I were o°ll al refr 0 the House was in some degree to be ex of the, ' i t; heard with astonishment the suggestion v wive' Member to refer details of measures ot• th e c t of e res t ie' ti on of sections of the House, because tee 1 ore 5/. culty tl always had been to decide as to 11 .,, bli ne the to tails, and what were not. For instance', " sill, • o , qualification i cation in the Irish Itegistrationootroeed a, the question of compuleerY , Ile seised matter of detail or of prineiPle i i he lea heel with what the Hon. Member had said as to `,7„0001:4 and not tenant question. He thought the Gerehi;bject,,rn btihoa t t a t t h te e t;pted vigorously to legislate on ° lst % ae :ll 'Lls would be met by .the same difficult:Jo proff7e, • n which they pretended had obstructed , o f o°4, of the measure in this. (Hear.) if a ro s i al li t° i he le o presentatives of Ireland had been opPn eti n e g'',.. i i i i de that h might have been a reason fur With er... l l i% i r elalr i e t td e question had not even been debated, a i- „ c r eit Ihif his desire When the Hon. Member,lor Manebesti"to,oft hi that Government should legt s ion tpleeoe question, Hon.Mne h b e erwahaadan t x o i o p u r s o to hear ndd o a l b a: o P i r l ielo ate of the inci sr Honourable Member d t e . ar b es a t lin in g ark in et. produce of land the vir w h a y s cheapest sae s t hat r a fit" to the ddanid ahev;l;,oPlYtoel.ll„il34o4.pol4',„i::fiet;l9, reference to the 'a° y et re 'l' o 0 land itself ?—(Hear, hea r) to P I tee not the landed proprietors of Ireland lonediesiode benefit H of it as well as the calico.neakers ef„„nde'l,i'ese cited ( e l d r , Ireland, a a h r n o , dph, hope among puoostiet ho wo .be )obnygThhise spHeeoenh.ellls eamarr ha d . e ty. ta d the tenants of Ireland 01 1: 00 oy e et do_ something n for them. But after the PO°. thalsilto), llo_. Member to the farmers of Engia,ed ° jita e ,„,,. - 1 ef, of the game laws, the tenants of Ralson ha d ig fe.. - „ev pect from the Hon. Member in the shap e °.,,, 1 0 . P 1 0 0; grieeances. It was at all times much more e''iito r,-teo, if ameliorating measures than to carry then3ti tee v 01(I Ireland, sad o a n n . d M l e ed mb t e h r ens exc t ite h ,d lhopesthfo r e ar g o il s! : esi t o tlek s ° o o l transfer the fee simple o a f the e ilegvned to thellif 'l,O ! I ; vo himselfopen to the charge of excitino, ho pee 0 ~, to v.,.. c ., never be realised. Nothing was ;nor° liltyoesenaiil t aw o away capital from Ireland than the drewL,lltelettt in between the owners of propertY 000,P;orei present th thetransition state foretold by e th e e sets.el•• deli f e West Riding still existed, snif t at TotsT ots be pitted against their landlords, the dall °° fi setineepr ill o e n ee t n hat state would be considerably ine le- f iott ; ab ~1 1 s dt c ht h ihs e :, sa u w e t t h io a n t a i sformidableh agitati.olloooo,o r, b n ap ot o ic a e out having carried g the .a ir question that he deplored theile°oorle . duet Vn the game laws a vast ~ . opposed to him Mr. BRIGHT avi With n e, itt p ah e n e et c ioo _ : f s r frig n ot: ob4 t : 00 ; ot o elf - 0 0 o,:i i l l: r e,": explained. With re of t h e Or to td 0 0oriti °, t e r 1 i nalords would be . the pee "... brought to sealed I , v " would be as well se"` , s 1 411,t 4 ,' henna a' . now. TTOOP ' 1 After a remark from 0- • ' Sir 11. WILL • , 1 , was not heard, Sir B. HALL withdrew his moti on.- o ire , CEYLO ~0000 I T 1. Mr. HUME rose to hat the "IV 4 ° move „ed. .• g i before the Ceylon Committee be pr.., , , 04 0 " t ee d . Lordat the head of the Government ha,'„P no e be t - . 0 an to the t e s ndment in his motion that the eeim". o oth e 'oa hers o , f ecretary of the Colonies, and to ter_lott a 005 her Majesty's Government. 0 0 colafonjersod 00 aniend ment surprised him, becauee be .°`' p 0,5011.5 Ministers equally culpable with Lord Torrlfter tv d ,p o the cities House had to decide between then. t hat l ic e - eoe li t committed in Ceylon he thought go d tO 'OO - t The m g_ t on and Lord Grey ought to be ei! islelt 1100, e aie military bad been • that abe e let l oose in „ l ire . 00 t o had been shot without even the rules re's 01? ote, h e martial b • eing observed. It was Or s irt ed Ole „IA „ble House could be satisfied without it° , ei veire,et whole question. Prelimina le te' -° a ,- ry to t s 1 o evidence " ken bY the Cominittee anCi Isi hers' e at in- he 0 er to beprinted and distributed among ' -e 0 I -- ag 0 they might be able to form - a loe e r e tb 01' 1 some smog . . 030 be gg As for the M• • OP ti Ministers they would ITV m e Binary move talent to defend them iu this case. bea rd s or that the evidence be ' d printe • for 1 The question having been put, lf 0 b( o je Mr. TT A W --- -ES (who . er feet ) fe was very imp a the 010‘,.'ne• posed the motion of his Hun. Fries 0 vd A SO 6 0 floo r Montros.e First of all, be wishe d Ig o is,bot:i ber Friend' • mit s attention to what had taken p,- the 0 w i - t m t t t ee. It had reported in one plac e s t e el ‘- tet t e ,,, ba e iee was of opinion that the serious dr neiv-c st, ' Majesty' s matter." With Government ought to b e of t hc e o a uf With regard to the printioooooitteo,lhole,„ that r. subject had been • Cc' the .0 ' mooted In the that o bo e 0 motion made, and the question put , .. i i tee frbeedle the evidence taken before C "• 3 the 0 03 10. d og e • printed. The ayes had been 2, the neee ,3,....60 a , . motion which the Committee entertaineW'ight vn so whole of th© evidence was not to be Pr , ili de t pee lete t e te e tl left t ution to the effect that part of; he er'-,,ee401,he out, and that a separation mght be a bn ine Iv different portions 0 0 o ho ° , of the evidence. The a s ti eeP I. he Or decided that he could not accept that - • that, t he .4 evidence._, . The result of all vvas, ot edi hi t oitr wastne evidence should not be P r po l4 ole io l indefeasible to separate °11,8000;01°.ei another; an d that no further evlee , oti • l'• iio o ,t, advisable to of the be reported to the House' 1 ,00- pee evidence t k xerestenT• a te d r aen was of a n e c al l of) .1 0 character • , consisting in some respects 0 , . 0 00 0 0, 4 4 to the Committee, and it would be m ° e°' ° e sh e e . P called -for that the whole of the evideneof 1)().,04-. printed and circulated before the svritero whe re :0 fr . . received any intimation on the matter e ibt ( t or 'dei ce k eeP el one line of any other part of the er i . 8 b to o gle , r o• Government would have the slightest o' l , 0 01 I ti lted the public . After thatprivate and eoa6ue terielfer , n o „ it , , 0 01 had been laid before a _d tY .1, A the Committee, A f o rce au'" tion on the the question of publication hs'A goer et mind s o u e ch of the Committee. It was on ouch . ho a 0 0 1 , m g o r t o io u n nds alone, that the Governreens "trot vile!, the a nd be of the Hon. Member, ry e to ~to _ Ar . House would never lend itself to be s P"s vte". le" - •lc 1 10 Ole of trust or of confidence; nor did he thi, ri ne fid e a s , sent to the publicat'of private of ee-writeondohee respondence withoutloa a -vvled aof t he . 0- . the kno g an ti lte 'ti Hon. .Member concluded by moving , Is9 .d oe Vag' .1.,,,, evi e ll upon Mr. /I ' • Hume ' s motion, " That the - 0 t he er e, , ' fore the Ceylon Committee be referred t o f P , i bete ... r 0 , of State for the Colonies, and the tne ni 000rA01,1' jesty's Government." a 6 iv f eet Mr. NEWDEGATE said he was awarell (se e ote Os that Co • mmittee; but he had been o e !s o , , 4 , Member was understood) that there WI 00501"000"kt -.- . was rr 0 • , deuce on the table of the House. J. , ' t o r el, he let might be a case in which there was i n ,? t 00 1 '. 01 0 0 0 dictory nature in the evidence; if so , ~,tereve"ce v7-ije t a o inquire into it. He wished to knovv• ' o ' n eide ti ,, jooteci Committee had any right to supPqs, OW" of . 0 0 they had taken. Was it that Conenlitt9-0 ,loale poi., of e) be Ift'd formed the Government of therei/Aings 0. 0 ? DO it sane • tioned such very grave pees',"-le ego" s bei Jo' lace in total ignorance of the 1035 0 ' • tdeede' itteeis4 Gvepment had been aware of the e fi t COO, 0 1 .0 0 sanctioned med what every member of th e to y 0 0 ;;00, 1 0 0. 0 . it t n o te . Was that Committee a neeessoat k tit Te 4 lo was ansit for two sessions for nothing? r; of ili a c eels important interference on the Pe ne° $ 00•01 tbe tii with the colonial government. The Goes, h ot 00 be held responsible a occort 1 t go 0 fer what had Wou ld as 0 0 0 4. , But was • it not extraordinary, he w e d tWo Se a ineld re Euch have a state of things as there CO xiste , . 0 i re d o k ee been allowed to elapse befor Edlon." 0100 applied? The recent Government of 0 o f Pooh the as sorry to observe, be alwaYs e i li , etithbetorej lief) P2;geis in our Colonial history.--(gelVidenreog We, e r r might be some reason from ther.,e__erneee_ OA 0, . - louse, the ieference was that the tx°,,,' en plae'nprof;"o 0, Ignorantly senctioning what had t 8 . 79. A nd °Vor r that it wee, cognizent ef those neettetooet oiniooteor them. Ho would ask, aid the Geetliat t e et e it t oS teem or not ? All they knee, weesoned 0 110000 060' tlon of that colony (although it the s ot .° e• was , now going out) had continua' ~tooce ,P.' Wag all they had now was the as s ' . .