The Sun. — London, England, 1851-07-18 00:00:00

lid DJ 01 sratic n ono 3e an statl ease of tho: nt** sed to t bit 'Y I [ o ' a ; g a nd eel 4,0 w ! I°- 4 stt ecid gd i. fe or 53 al of )- legi ►i ,efor e F; t 11 ozi. iought .ed and !re was iooks- ig con- Hon. bishop would copy ing be )t that. laugh.) ughed, how I great onsible there a state ad en eat he them. 2iB un- might rights Idation, diffe exist, be held i acting 3hurch. 1 confi ie hat had aers ss tendon y pur ely, the ie. Ho e taken bishop not set ,o con- 21 Mr ing this and ha ,hat the hear.) mtruedt on. HI 3slatical iat the espeeth een the Hear, ter the , t , not would inciplo Ided to Lon he had ter cir- .4entle o him' second t 3 had o him' rn or re, viti9 st th e in th e ear to ry viol al•tY Of 'hop 0.1 ;ezi 0! r€ sen st ate- ;aid ed his j tor, j [Ad it I led , a n the l e i ;ter (2 1 hat b ich b et tr.) t'gs" .„ bad I ea se d . 2/ lad :12 0 of Li he - - tacked'taek and h e was i n a condition to inform the House, had b n the fi rst year in which that Right Rev. Prelate ten app o i nte d to his see, he had made a sacrifice ?` 10 per cent, o f t h e value of the see. He considered i t of g r eat importance, s h ou ld h er Majesty's Govern ment aPeoint the commission, that they shculd not act mere en they ue est'o' which had been thrown out, that the hi'lloPeiegre i ta " creatures" of the State. Ho dialled that. The bishops were the oldest estete in the rdealne--their property was the oldest, and the House, in etlieg with it, should deal with it considerately, and not desk- the suggestion that they were mere " creetures e, the State' —a suggestion which was as unconsti- L e;oaal in its authority as it was unjustifiable. t ere 4 r• AGLIONBY cons id ere d that i t was for the in tahad ecell 't of ail parties that where su c h c h arges ' ops those charges as e agamet t e ~ sil o eld be sub t ' d ft It had been said plot s anttate or re u den st the bishops had legal and equitable right to the Proper Now, his ty derivable frorostheir sees .—(Hear, hear.) I: s t eel leaeue (dr. foreman) bad not denied that they D `, --- ; (" Hear, hear," from Mr. foreman)--bat he (Mr. ii r °ll hY) was quite sure that no one would say they had t b"tm'al right to it.—Hear, hear.) It had been said It his Hon. Colleague was influenced in his state bents oa thisiquestionby an unfriendly feeling towards e Bishop ' Gloucester. But that was not the case. lie 01) or oucester. - ` don. Friend was influenced in his charges, not agsinst the Bishop of Gloucester as an individual, but , e ,!' Public gro un d s • and he (Mr. Aglionby) had no doubt Tt this was only lcommencement of a series of such t he cearg s , Should the be objects of such charges; but thought that subjectlnTairy o ug ht to b e i nst i tute d i n t o the' whele t6 4r „,' M ANGLES called upon the Right Hon. Baronet finest' a lember for Rip on (Si r J. G ra h am ) to answer a ion which had been put to him in such terms. e, - ' ll. J. GRAHAM said he was answersrea m d o y n t . o andLearnt y d, Gee etstion which might be put by the declared that the B . ,tieman as to whether ha had n i :',°P of Gloucester was under any moral obligation ' , la. 's; L,° renew his lease. He would read the resolution to t t,"'en he was party, and which was extracted from ""e' rai a f i ‘ ,.. .nutes of ahe proceedings g :uttinairsion He had, however, thought the timeao dis 'es• 'would h been when the 3 'his . hive Hon. k question - -creber for Cockermouth should move for the papers, °l' after the papers were presented to the House. The treklution was to the effect that the Bishop of Gloucester allßristol being under no obligation, legally and mo- Y , t 0 deal with this manor etherwise than with any oth er • estate within the tee, the Commissioners directed their secretary to communicate their wish that the Tatter should be brought to a close as soon as possible. House would permit him to say that having formed fin . 1 ., ° keen th a t th e Bishop had a legal and equitable 1 - 0 411 t to till up the lease, did offer liberal terms far be g the market price. kr. REYNOLDS referred to a concordat between the 'come of Borne and the Sovereign of Spain by which the 'come s of the archbishops in that " meet Catholic ""Iftite , e - • t re ) were limited to 1,6001. and 1,400/. a year, the c',°tne of the suffragan bishops being 800/. a year, an h d We _suggetted that in the case of the Established Church 'hotild follow out or adopt the same scale! miAfter a few words from Mr. T. B. LENNARD, the t er • d ropped. IjPP LY - , CONSULAR ESTABLISHMENTS. 'The Et at. •- Ouse Went into Committee of Supply, Mr. BER- L in the chair ()n the e • exceeding Ist erst vote being put, that a sum not te el9O/. be granted to her Majesty to defray the charge tiaasular establishments abroad, tie, r ' URQUHART rose to propose the reduction of sp t e ' r ote by a sum of 4,000/. The Hon. Gentleman's tie_ ch was scarcer) , audible at intervals, from the imps thnce which was evinced by the House. He referred to I,,:rMEtwer given by the Noble Lord opposite (Lord Pal re a 'oe) in re 1 to question put to him by the Com -gitt,e . p y a ri es which had been appointed to inquire into the sala th of had 84c.' The Noble Lord was asked whether 4 c 'eh f o , 0 were appo i nte d con suls th'gted in respect to the laws of the countries in which t . e Y were located? The Noble Lord said they were under so'llebli.gation to be cognisant of the laws of such foreign ()tai l:l4l M When asked whether they were under any iescigtition to have a good knowledge of the laws of Eng- It t (u tile Nobl e L or d replied they ought to have. Now tort. Urquh art ) b e li eved our consular establishments i t 41° most defecti ve . H e h a d had some experience, and i3,steere disorganised, more i rregular, more disqualifying i ttibi m ,, _ tor the, perfor mance o f the office he could not ser r 7 e "°- There was no progressive education in the 13 4 th 6 as in the case of th e mi l itary and naval services. ortk4 ' contrary, the Fren c h co l on i al system was well moat ise d, and those who were appointed to these offices t t , 4l , Possess l oca l k now l e d ge, and passed through a t o . 4 of examination. The Hon. Gentleman proceeded titsew, 3'se the wholelist of consuls, and th e sa l ar i es eases end to each, proposing reductions in a number of 4 ototi mle a king the amou n t i n th e t o t a l cost to the country • • • Oa s e se ' Nt ',ea questio n being put, that the amo un t t o b e Lo tend (148 ,4901) be reduced by a sum o f 4,000 1 ., .44rd PALMERS and hi TON said that the Hon. Gentlemen t o ,„ raself had different notions in regard to various tea4.oo whichie had spoken. The Hon. Gentleman gm `ght that our consular establishments were ill-or etb%_ed and unequal to the consular establishments of 1, 5 r countries. en Now he (Lord Palmerston) was, per -11, het ter ter quanned,to speak to that point than the Hon. co ns man. He knew more of the manner in which our to tte ar agents discharged their duties, and he ventured ke4tri: Without hesitation, that no consular establish tett were better regulated than those of Great Bri- Frazeantl, hovvever well corresponding establishments of one : h r night be regulated, ho was quite sure that any our , ° had held his office would say that the duties of effLeit"4lsular agents were discharged in the most Ils h t -il manner. Our consulate was the most efficient, - which existed. The duties of consuls were /itri,k heed, Mers' a t - they had to perform duties in regard to corn whi t l- matters, and in collecting valuable information, and to the transmitted from time to time to his office t4 at, t ''" Board of Trade, and he would venture to say talai h 'n Point of efficiency and ability, our consular ehse iligh4t-tnlents, instead of censure, were deserving of t 1 3 014 ' a PProbation. With regard to the various ai) , th e flreents to which the Hon. Gentleman had refer red, had ths, r .et and foremost was that of a person who hadd iffer ette-Isfortune in another country to have a little d . - Ile wi th the Hon,Member,and that perhaps had in stee . allies Bat in his wish to reduce the gentlean's IQ 4i'i-1 with regard to the appointment of the m con kale , W arsaw, he was sure that any one who knew i t v h f e d eal ial`Nenditure for living in Warsaw for an incl . - 4 tlet t , c ;'d,ing the rank of a gentleman, representing a e ett s , - ; 7 Like this, and compared his salary with that of lee th r4i ng officers of-other countries, they would ah iQ , et the selary given (1,000/.) was rather below that t i eo, tie Yo Position required. Tee Hon. Gentleman said -11 " 1 1vh ° 2 have a consul with only 100/. a year in Paris, - "yr" ' u° You give a high salary to a consul in War kettiv The ansyser was this. In Paris the consul was ltre l)a; 4 P erso L l who had to fulfil subordinate duties to the e t , ta aetlor. re C Lie (Lord Palmerston) had given him hie 4 44 ot counsel in order that he might perform eer y o f ~.t . . „'°oa from'"r routine, but he did not receive his instrue ;?nas; bne Secretary of State. With regard to the „'''et t ",:npWallachia, Servia, and Moldavia, all had du vetel; Perform which were more of a political than a 7tieti they nature,and the parts of the world in 4 ti ''"e3' wer b'''etast a „ e estabed inc u e te, "" countries in which it was most important to and ; te ens who could give information, both political 1 1 , t il4 e ,°,%€ , reial. Now it had happened that one of their Nth , !a% absent on a particular occasion from ill- FIN 4 °tit it was not to be expected that because a man . I tsa : ° ° 3 lll he should never have leave of absence. L'etni,„4;° co nsUl-ganeral at Constantinople, the Hon. ""c„ aa t e , - 1 41 Said that he ought to have his salary reduced, 4 ,° of; "° (Lord Palmerston) had intended to abolish i"'ltiare. Now he, being at the time in that state of sred°'mation in which the Honourable Member ap ei,°this the be, did entertain such an idea; but when he rt ''etigh t e„. im portance which attached to the office he t 4 , 6 ). 1 ,,' " was Perfectly right to continue it. But if es e re to have consuls-general, with important du % tt;Mtraereial as well as judicial, to discharge, such t e as known the consuls in Turkey were required Ile ti l i ma rge, the salary not more than the duties to th esPonsibilities were s enttled to. With regard Ma t .e c onsul at Smyrna,: tie Honourable Gentle feed th a t 6 001. a y ear was sufficient, instead of 8001., ree, as the S pec i al Committee on official salaries S 00 (, mended 5 ,0001, as the salary for an ambassador, r efer W ould be enough for a consul. Therefore, without Pos,?..ce to circ umstances, the Ron. Gentleman pro diet 0001, He could not consent to adopt the arbitrary ,eot4 of the Hon. Gentleman. With to the 4 It, 'general in E ypt the Hon. Gentlemanregardobserved, 114taabolish dh g ' ._, C am that e t e office of consul-general in Syria.' 4 t4pc was an appointment which was made after the Por ts '0 in 1 841. At that period he thought it im aiaciklt to have a person whowasnot r 1 ge t but a Political .. me ey a commer sta, character, of the rank of consul exitttp but he tho ht that klr ' for th tig the same reasons no longer ~ a tita e Continuance of that office, and he took "itis ,„ Re of these facts and abolished the one office, ,yi n e Pesi iit , g several hundreds a year to the country, by n° l s lt ` ll l3 the part as c rent neral at Con.tanti syti Egypt y . o . ns - tie.,,, stood in a dtff position to that of tote The former ta we__ gild [we hereditary. The Pacha received a fixed tri cer tb ,) e e a_s subject to the Sultan. He administered ..,etelii to al arrangements of his province and to a `titl! whng ghee was governor in chief of the province ed ti;st°_rt ho was Pacha. The consul general had *aßept b re to perform both politica and commercial. n alo g; %lig a great thoroughfare for t E l• le 11 . ng ts travellersthere 'wer e - i to and fro between India and this country, there ge d wh ich tr e t consul -general there hospitali r to , en end greatly upon his income. In r - that tripoli he (Lord Palmerston) • .e a bel' ° ` ae et Th intended to abolish 411 . itie n was _ Et proposal before the Treasury for its ~0 11t e t h e „._ Only waiting for the receipt of information `'tollapie,tecrthetreweiftshervices of the consul and other facts e tdie der ieg the eo 'd• Re was quite of opinion that, dittiearY consul was Condition .in which that place was, an A tti ee . required. s sufficient for the discharge of the e ti . In regard to consols" general f Mat t " ea ' l t was well k • g . 0 South ' 4 t, c arid Po l itico a known that their duties were diplo t4l.oskaci why ahi h ssvell as commercial. The Hon. Mem wheneral of i hiogtee;e•alarY should be given to the con latter 'i,nste.y because'deo than that of Buenos Ayres. ably -1' Place and there was a plenipotentiary at the hc, li g h tes t u the duties were consequently consider tit °o laqii___P , °ll the consul-general. But so far from thatlqp,*ci, he (Lord at Venezuela being inefficient, as he ijiat gentien_ a(nL9rd Palmerston) could assure him that lee ser a i e , l e s h_eaad_. rendered most valuable and impor 41ti ic ,,,,,:' t a n d ling with the Government of that :I I Vau-erub matter of great importance to the eem il leh th e tlnts'There was a law enacted there 7 itl ~at,r) .Government of 'Venezuela endeavoured to tdatit, I,„ . __the property of British merchants; 44, of ar rauerneut af Ltle euti g - , nerd ' 4°, erat tlen , et l l erae, upon the instructions of his own ' " e was enOled to place the lotter upon THE such a footing as he trusted would very shortly bring about a settlement of these accounts satisfactorily to the British merchants. In North America the salaries of the consuls depended latterly upon the foes received by them tor the last four years. If. however, their fees fool' off, that fact might farm a good reason for restoring to them some portion of their salaries. The general result of what he had stated was this:—He had abolished the consul general at Algiers, substituting a consul and vice consul—he was going to abolish the consul-general at Tripoli—he had abolished the consul-general at Syria without any substitution whatever. The agents at the different ports in that quarter were to report to the con sul-general at Constantinople instead of reporting to the consul-general at Syria. There could be no general rule as to any particular amount being applicable to all cases, as such amount must depend upon the nature of the duties performed, and other circumstances connected with the office. He had paid every attention to the subject, with the view of rendering these duties as effi cient, and the salaries as economical as possible, and he would continue to direct his attention to the same views, and to the abolition of all offices that were un necessary.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. ALCOCK wished to draw the attention of the Committee to their consular establishment at Peru. There was a heavy duty placed upon that most impor tant article connected with British agriculture—namely, guano, in Lima, and he could not help thinking, that if the consul-general there had exerted himself more much greater facilities would be given to the procuring of this article for the purposes of British agriculture. The Peruvian Government owed us a very heavy debt, the interest of which they were partially enabled to pay by the sale of guano here. They, however, limited their supplies to the British market, and he thought that their farmers to mark their displeasure at the conduct pursued by the Peruvian Government, ought to abstain from the use of the article for a year or so. Lord PALMERSTON could assure the Hon. Gen tleman that if guano was not more plentiful in this country it was not the fault of the consul-general nor of the British Government. The late Sir R. Peel, who took a great interest in this question, had endeavoured to persuade the Peruvian Government not to continue this monopoly, but rather to permit this guano to be sent over here in great abundance. The present Go vernment had twice attempted to persuade them to the same course, but without success. The Honourable Member said that the sale of guano here had given the Peruvian Government the means of paying the bond holders of this country what they owed. That Government thought that by increasing the supplies the price of the article would fall, and they, therefore, would not have such means to meet their engagements. He did not mean to say that that was a very sound or just reason, but still such was the fact. The mode by which the Hon. Gentleman proposed to procure a more plentiful supply of the article—namely, the adoption of the principle of prohibition, was, he thought, a very novel one.—(Laughter.) He was rather inclined to think if this privation was to have the effect of depriving the Peruvian Government of the means of paying their debt, they would be disposed to submit to it with greater patience than the agriculturists of Eng land would exhibit in submitting to the privation of guano.—(Laughter.) Mr. W. WILLIAMS complained of their expensive establishments at Constantinople, Paris, Madrid, and other places, where, together with consuls-general, they had ambassadors and attaches in great number. He also wished to know how the fees received by consuls were accounted tor, and whether they formed au addi tion to the salary ? Lord PALMERSTON said that with regard to the duties of the consulate at Constantinople, it was well known that British subjects were not tried before the Turkish tribunals, but before the consular court, and that in consequence of the number of our lonian subjects who visited Constantinople a good deal of business was entailed upon the consul. The Hon. Member said that he did not see why the British people should be taxed fur the hospitali y of the consul, but there were others who did not see why the consul should be taxed for English subjects travelling in the East. With respect to Buenos Ayres, that being a place of trade, it was impos sible for the Minister to perform the consular duties. The fees went to defray the expense of the consular es tablishments, and an account of them was rendered to the Foreign-office. Mr. LENNARD remarked that no notice was taken of the Consul at Rome in the estimates. He wished to know whether the Noble Lord had any objection to lay a statement of the fees received by consuls on the table of the House? Lord PALMERSTON said that the Consul at Rome had no salary. He had no objection to lay a statement of the fees on the table. . The Committee then divided, when there appeared— For the motion ... 43 Against it ... ... 153 Majority against the motion ... —llO Mr. URQUEAR I: then objected to the vote for the salary of Sir James Brooke, not on account of the amount of the salary, but because Sir James Brooke was not only Consul but Raja of Sarawak and Governor of Labuan, and because he was engaged in commercial pursuits. Lord PALMERSTON said that the salary was di vided between the two offices, and that Sir James Brooke was not at present engaged in trade. Mr. URQUHART said that he must object to the vote. Sir James Brooke had been engaged in trade, and the Noble Lord's answer was too general. _ _ _ Mr. HAWES could assure the on Member that Sir James Brooke had not been engaged in any commercial speculation whatever since he was appointed Governor of Labuan. The vote was then agreed to. 16,000/. for extraordinary disbursements of diplomatic missions abroad. Mr. EWART thought that some means should be adopted for educating persons for the diplomatic service before being appointed to it. Ho suggested that there should be examinations of all persons admitted to hold public offices. Lord PALMERSTON agreed with the Hon. Mem ber in the opinions expressed. He thought that all candidates for diplomatic appointments ought to be sub jected to some such test as a previous examination. Mr. WILLIAMS objected to the charge for transla tion of documents, and other minor expenses. Lord PALMERSTON observed that where statis tical documents were required to be made up, and in a short time, it was necessary to incur the expenses to which the Hon. Member referred. Mr. URQUHART proposed to reduce the stun of 2,700 L far interpreters by 7501. Lord PALMERSTON defended the vote. He had applied some years ago to the Universities to have two or three young men sent to Constantinople to learn the Turkish language, so that they might aot as dragomans. The vote was agreed to. The next vote was 180,2051. for superannuation al lowances. The vote was agreed to. The vote for 2,1001 for the National Vaccine Esta blishment was passed after some discussion. 3 750/. for the expenses of negro and Corsican sufferers we ul4-ratood.—Agreed to. 3,2501. for the R. tuo i ,e for the Destitute.—Agreed to. 4 450/. for the Polish refugees and others --Agreed to. 6,1261., allowance to miuisters, Regium Donum. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the vote had been objected to, but it was the last time the vote would be asked. Mr. WILLIAMS would divide tho House against the vote. He would first move that the Chairman report progress. Mr. G. BERKELEY thought the Hon. Member ought to be satisfied with the Right Hon. Gentleman's pro position. Mr. KERSHAW also thought the Hon. Member ought not to press the amendment after the promise which had been given by the Chancellor of the Exchequer. Colonel SIBTHORP had no faith in Ministerial pro mises. He objected to the threat held out the other night by the Right Hon. Gentleman, that if the esti mates were not got rid of, the House must sit till the middle of August. He had no objection to sit till that time if the public interests require it. The Right Hon. Gentleman wanted to prorogue the House at an early Ar d pace, day, that Ministers might go to their amusements and pocket their salaries all the time. He objected to going at the presenteed to. railroad especially when voting, money matters.—Vote agreed to. 6 501. for th e F oun dli ng H os pit a l and House of Indus trY977B3l.gr for House of Industry, Dublin. Mr. W. WILLIAMS moved that the chairman report progress. The motion Was agreed to without a division, and the House resumed. The Marriages (India) Bill was read a third time and passed. The report on the Merchant Seamen's Fund Bill, as amen ded, was received. The Collection of Fines, 8, 0 . (Ireland) Bill passed th r ough Committee. The paper was then disposed of, an adjourned a t a quarter to Two doththeer Souse e ess on the o'clock. HOUSE OF LORDS, July 17. • The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Wool sack at Five o'clock. MILITIA BALLOT SUSPENSION BILL This Bill passed through Committee. ASSESSED TAXES COMPOSITION BILL. This Bill passed through Committee. PUBLIC WORKS, FISHERIES, &c., BILL. This Bill passed through Committee. HIGHWAY RATES BILL. On the motion of Earl GRANVILLE this Bill was read a third time and passed. PETITIONS. The Earl of ENNISKILLEN presented a petition from Tyrone, praying that the Church Education So ciety might have a share in the grant for education. ST. ALBANS BRIBERY COMMISSION BILL. Lord BEAMUONT moved the Committee on this Bill. The circumstances of the case of St. Albans were nearly similar to the case of Sudbury. The Noble Lord then entered into a narrative of the circumstances attending the late election for St. Albans, and the absence of the witnesses summoned to give evidence before the Com mittee of the House of Commons. The Bill then passed through Committee. JEWISH EMANCIPATION. Lord REDESDALE presented several petitions against the admission of Jews into Parliament; amongst others a petition from 261 members of the English bar. The Bishop of OXFORD presented several petitions with a similar prayer. The LORD CHANCELLOR then rose to move the second reading of the Bill for the amendment of the law regulating the administration of the oath of abjuration. The Bill proposed to omit from that oath the words "On the true faith of a Christian." Those words had the ef fect of excluding conscientious Jews from Parliament. The subject had been so often before their Lordships thg Waling Tory new mild be expected to be said en LONDON, SUN, the subject. Argument the most convincing, elo quence the most brilliant, had been brought to bear upon this subject; but yet that was no reason why they should abstain from the discussion of this subject. Pre judices the most determined had been found to give way to argument, and therefore he called upon their Lord ships to discuss this question, which was nothing more nor less than to extend the benefits of civil and religious liberty to the Jews. When it was first proposed to admit foreign Jews to naturalization in this country, such was the ferment occasioned that their Lordships thought it ex pedient to withdraw that boon; yet that boon had been subsequently extended to them, and now Jews were en abled to hold the highest municipal offices. Their Lordship had always opposed a barrier to sudden innovation. Their Lordships deliberated, and delibe rated cautiously, but when they saw that the sense of the country was in favour of an alteration in the law, their Lordships deliberated and considered the subject, and if they saw no insuperable objection, they determined in accordance with the feeling of the nation. Five times had the House of Commons determined in favour of Jewish emancipation. It had been said that the absence of petitions proved the indifference of the country, but recent occurrences had shown them that the people were by no means indifferent to the safety of the Estab lished Church, or of the Christian religion, and there fore the absence of petitions showed that the people entertained no apprehensions as to the effects of the passing of this B.A. Few, indeed, had been the peti tions presented in opposition to this Bill.--(Hear.) He called upon their Lordships to do an act of justice to the Jews, and in so doing he would recall their Lord- ships' attention to the situation in which the Jews now stood. Their Lordships had consented to permit Jews to be magistrates, and to fill all municipal offices. They might sit in judgment on life and death. We now depended on their oaths for the safety of all that wee valuable in society. They might determine el questions relating to liberty and property, and no whisper had been heard against their administration of justice. The obstacle which this Bill proposed to re move was the only barrier to the ambition of the Jews to fill the highest effices. The British Jews were to all intents and purposes British subjects, and as such were entitled to the enjoyment of all civil rights. He freely admitted that no rights could exist incom patible with the capacity for the due and proper per formance of those duties ; but he contended that there was nothing in the position or conduct of the Jews which would incapacitate them for the due performance of the duties of the rights to which they aspired. They were perfectly observant of the rights of property.—(A laugh.) He hailed that good-humoured admission of his argument as to the right of property ; and he hoped that all his other arguments would be as unanimously assented to. They were good subjects, they were no disturbers of the public peace or of the public religion. They administered justice uprightly, and they were therefore entitled to all the privileges of good and faith ful subjects. Vattel had laid it down as a principle that in a civil state, although the Prince was bound to up hold the established religion, yet as the State could know nothing of religion, save by the acts of its professors, the Prince was bound not to deprive any loyal subject of his civil rights on account of his religious opinions, ex cept in the case in which the subject should make his religious opinions a cause for disturbing the peace of the State. Now, such could not be said to be the ceFe as regarded the Jews. The burden of proof in such a case rested with those who sought to exclude, and no such proof could be brought against the Jee s. Among the objections which had been brought against the Jews was that this was not their country. He could not understand this objection. Every Bri tish Jew was as much a British subject as a Christian. He apprehended that all British subjects, without dis tinction of sect or religion, were entitled to the full and free exercise and enjoyment of their civil and social righte, without one single exception. In the language of a Right Rev. Prelate, ho believed that all those rights were trusts, and that there must be a capacity for the full and faithful discharge of those trusts before those rights could be claimed; but he did not think it would be asserted that the Jews were incapacitated from ful filling those trusts on the ground that this was not their country. He did not think that those who made use of that phrase were aware of, or used it in its full extent. They said the Jews were of no country, and, therefore, ought not to be admitted-to a free participation of civil rights with the rest of their fellow-subjects. But why were they of no country ? Because until recently no country would admit th e m to enjoy their full s h are of civil and political rights. When it was said the Jews were of no country, the meaning was that they enter tained hopes or looked forward to a period when they would be restored to the position of a united people.— (Hear, hoar.) But did that prevent them from being of any country, or if permitted to become part of any country, would they lose that for which they prayed and asked? The period when they might expect the accomplishment of the prophecies towards which they looked, was somewhat uncertain, and were they to attach themselves to no country in the meantime? He apprehended that the Jews who were born and bred in this country were for all substantial purposes as much subjects of her Majesty as the members of any other persuasion, and viewed themselves as being equally citizens of this country. Admit them to a perfect en joyment of their rights, and he apprehended they would soon see that every mark of distinction, social as well as political, would be speedily obliterated. The fact of the Jews having no country promoted no argument against their admission to Parliament. They had no divided allegiance. In this country give them the rights of citizenship, and there was no reason to believe that they would not be equally loyal as any other class of subjects. Looking to their conduct under a system of persecution, he argued that nothing what ever existed to warrant their farther exclusion from the rights and privileges which it was now contended they should enjoy.—(Hear, hear.) This, thank God, was a Christian country, and he be lieved it would ever continue so. It certainly would not become less Christian by admitting a few Jews into Par liament. What motive could the Jew have in impeach ing the Christian faith, or in endeavouring to diminish the weight and authority of the Established Church? When did the Jew ever attempt to make proselytes? He was interested in preserving the prosperity of the country, because it tended to the prosperity of his own property. What breach of conduct in the Je . ve, as a citizen, disentitl e d hi m t o P ar li ame ntary hhnoars? If they wanted specimens of adherence to faith and sub lime truth, they would find it in the ancient Jews. As good citizens, and as men faithful to their creed, they were clearly entitled to that which they asked. Why then withhold from the State the benefit of their wisdom and experience? Th e i r L or dships havi ng had this subject so frequently under their consideration would deal with it with that attention, intelligence, and wisdom which he attributed to them. He asked them to do jus tice and love mercy, confidently calculating on their adoption of the Bill.—(Hear, hear.) Earl NELSON move d t h at t h e B i ll b e rea d a s e cond time that day six months. It was no argument to say that because the Jews were admitted to offices of civil responsibility they should be allowed to have seats in Parliament. There was a vast difference between ad ministering and making laws.—(Hear, hear.) The Noble Lord on the woolsack had not attempted to touch the argument that the words—" on the true faith of a Christian," introduced into the oath, were intended to exclude the Jews from Parliament. It was perfectly true the Legislature was not bond fide of a Cnristiau character, but from that fact the religion of the Church and State had been greatly shaken, and was it right to add to instead of diminishing the anomaly ? The as sembly was professedly Christian, and it they allowed the Jew to take his seat in Parliament without using the words "on the true faith of a Christian," how far could they exclude the professors of any creed? Oa these grounds he opposed the Bill, ho concluded by expressing an earnest hope that it would be rejected. Lord WODEHOUSE briefly stated his reasons for supporting the Bill. The object of introducing the words "on the true faith of a Christian" into the oath, was not, as the N o bl e E ar l op p os i te h a d sa id, w i t h t h e view of excluding Christians, but to give more than an ordinary degree of sol emn ity t o th e oa th. H e o b serve d with regret that the Bill before their Lordships had been framed so as to apply to gentlemen professing the Jewish religion alone. He thought they should admit toParlia ment those who professed any religion whatever. There might be state grounds of policy for excluding some citi zens from political rights, but he did not believe that if they rejected this Bill on religious grounds, they would act in the spirit or essence of their sacred religion. Amongst the most eloquent and able opponents of the Bill had been the Right Rev. Prelates beside him. He ven tured to ask them where they found any authority, orsha dow of sanction, for the idea, that where Christians were the majority in a country, it was their duty to reserve for themselves the exclusive possession of civil privileges. If the argument upon which Jews were to be excluded from Parliament were to prevail, on what ground could they justify the admission of Catholics and Dissenters? But if this oath was any safeguard for the great principle of their Constitution, he wondered how it had happened that they could have allowed the avenues to that great part of the Constitution—the House of Commons—to be vitiated by the elevation of Jews to the highest munici pal offices.—(Hear, hear.) They allowed men of that persuasion to acquire the confidence of their fellow-citi zens, and to rise to places where they might naturally look forward to a seat in Parliament, and then they turned round upon them with this pretence of an oath, and refused them to enter. That was not a consistent oath to take, and he hoped the House would put an end to the grievance by the adoption of this Bill.—(Hear.) The Archbishop of DUBLIN and Lord Shaftesbury rose together, but the general call was in favour of the Right Reverend Prelate. On this question, and on that debated the other night, he thought at the present time exactly as he had done for many years. lie had never advocated the admission of the Jews into Parliament, but he had all along advocated the expedi ency of lea v i ng the question to the electors. H e did not think more of re s t rict i ng t h e J ews th an h e did of re striction on Mahoaaedana or Hindoos, but ho contended for the removal of all restrictions whatever from the elector—(Bear, hear)—unl ess it cou ld b e shown that civil danger was likely to ensue . F or hi m, i t was no t whether Jews sit in Parliament, but whether Christian electors should have a right to elect whom they thought fit.—(Hear, hear.) On thi s p o i nt, however, h e must express his full coincidence in the opinion expressed by the Noble Lord who had just sat down, but this Bill did not take a proper hold of the subject. His view w as, that they ought to remove all religious dis tinction whatever, . either en ac ti ng penalties or im posing civil disabilities, unless it cou ld b e shown that those religious distinctions were in some way or other connected with some civil dangers. In Catholics b rave that a nd danger, Dissenters rather than depart, as they would h ave de p arted, ha d they eon the present question that had not ev en b een suggested. He was far from saying that there was no political bduantgheer thoughti a tinued to exclude them, from the spi rit o f the Christian religion. But there was no doubt that the danger that ought to to I" • EYENING S r threatened their Church was greater from Roman Ca tholics and Dissenters than it was from the JewS. He trusted he should not charged with indifference to. Christianity in advocating the omiesioa of these words from the oath. Far from their having any tendency to elevate the moral influence of Christianity, he thought. it a dishonour to it, even to suppose that it could bo so honoured or supported.—(Hear, hear.) lie remem bered having heard at church that we ought to show our gratitude to Providence far the great victories our troops had achieved in India. Now, he trusted that whether under victory or defeat, calamity or prosperity, he should never be disposed, or any of their Lordships, to show a disregard for religion, but how any prospe rity or victory could be said to depend on those Jewish disabilities, or, rather, Christian disabili ties—for such, he maintained, was their real nature—he was at a loss to comprehend ; and as to their victories in India, he wandered whore they would, have been, if those soldiers of our Indian army had been rejected, who would have refused, upon its being tendered to them, to take their oath on the true faith of a Christian.—(Cheers.) Why, nine-tenths of them were Hindoos, who, though they fearlessly marched to their services in the field, they were jealously excluded from Parliament by this oath.—(Hear.) In conclusion, he maintained that the electors had a right to demand this free exercise of their functions as British subjects and as Christians, and as followers of Him who declared that his kingdom was not of this world, and disavowed to,his apostles all notion of political ascendancy, or of power to overthrow temporal dignity.—(Cheers.) The Earl of SHAFTESBURY much regretted that this question should have been again revived. Nothing new had occurred to alter any of their opinions. The tome proposition was now offered--the same resis tance offered, and it must be met again by the same ar guments, for the question was so simple that it could not be regarded in different lights.—(Hear.) Now, he must first defend himself against the charge of hostility to the Jewish faith. The objections that he had now to urge, and had before urged against the measure, did not arise from any such feeling towards the Jews, but from circumstances which pecu liarly affected them, and against which they could not shut their eyes. Neither did he say that they were an incompetent race to discharge the important functions to which they were aspiring, far from it. Neither did he oppose the Bill, because, in numbers, th ey were f ew . The principle upon which they (the objectors) rested was aagoodsfor one individual as for a hundred millions. —(Hear, hear.) And still less did they seek to exclude them, as had bften been alleged, and alleged just now even, by the Noble and Learned Lord the Lord Chan cellor, and in the last speech made on the subject by the late lamented Sir Robert Peel—still less did they op pose this Bill in any spirit of. -vengeance. God forbid that any such thoughts should ever enter their minds ! But they had no warranty for executing any such a de cree as was now proposed to them on behalf of the descendants of the race that was stained with the sin of the crucifixion. The real difficulty lay on our selves, not in respect of the Jewish people, but be cause of the vigour and intensity of our own principles. They would admit that the Jews were an intellectual race of men, and otherwise qualified for the business of legislation; but it was necessary to recollect that their very existence and professions were a protest against Christianity itself. The Jew denied the true faith of Christian, and he called on them to strike out these words, as being improper or unnecessary. Now, he maintained that no one had a right to make such a de mand as this. This was going beyond the legitimate grounds upon which they were able to make concessions. This was not a question of detail, but a principle. Ile maintained that they had no right to make any conces sion of the kind. Here was a declaration which actu ally, or virtually, had excluded a Jew from Parliament for more than 200 years, and they were called upon to repeal it—not because it was improper or unnecessary, but because it tended to exclude Jews from Parliament, who were the great antagonists of the Christian reli gion. If the question before us were the repeal of oaths generally the debate would stand upon a different footing. He was really astonished at the words that had fallen from the Noble and Learned Lord on the Woolsack in this debate. " What had they to fear," saidhe, and " did they think the Jews wished to Judaize the state?" —(Hear.) They had no such fears, but they feared the sacrifice of principle, which was always perilous, and might result in the most melancholy consequences, though it might be impossible now to specify any one of them. Now it was a matter for serious and anxious consideration, whether it would not be better to abolish oaths altogether, than to go on thus temporising year after year.—(Cheers.) He very much doubted the ex pediency of making such a change. They might, per haps, not have been of any great use. They had not excluded infidels from Parliament, but let them under stand the full value of the oaths at the table. It was said that the oaths containing those words did not ex clude Lord Bolingbroke, Gibbon, and other infidels. But, in regarding the declations of these men, as operating against the value of the oath, they took a very narrow view of the subject. 'These oaths were not to bo taken as Ithe private affirmations of the in dividual, but as the declaration of the nation itself. The whole nation could not take the oaths, and hence they were taken by its representatives in Parlia ment. He could not see why, whilst_Bolingbroke and Gibbon took that oath, and, by so doing, jeopar dised their souls, the principles of religion were the less strongly asserted. He could not retreat from those words, therefore, without consenting toga sacrifice of prin ciple, which must inevitably be followed by the moat baneful consequences. He could not yield on this point to an authority less than that which originally imposed this limitation.—(Hear.) The Earl of CARLISLE said, that with reference to the question before their Lordships, after what had fallen from the Noble and Learned Lord on the Woolsack, and the Archbishop of the sister kingdom, he did not think it necessary to do more than occupy the shortest time in recommending the Bill - to their Lordships.—(gear.) With reference to the absence of petitions, he had only to say that circumstance alone had prevented the pre sentation of the unanimous petition of the corporation of London, in favour of this measure. He did not think much of the religious argument against the admission of Jews to Parliament, and could not bring himself to be lieve that there was the slightest danger to Christianity from the presence of Jews in the other House of Parlia ment. The existence of this oath, so far as it excluded the Jews, was a mere accident. They wordslwere intro duced with reference to no religious circumstances The question now was,iwas it advisable to retain them? lie doubted whether, if they had not been there, either of the Noble Lords opposite would have been bold °neigh to propose such a test.—(Hear, hear.) He thought that great risk would follow from the continued opp)sitinn of their Lordships to this Bill,:and he felt:convincel that, sooner or later, their Lordships would consent to this Bill, and terminate the struggle with the electors and the other House, by allowing the second reading of this 13i11.—(Cheers.) The Earl of WINCHILSEA. said they wer e now called upon to renounce the Christianity of the State, and if they did so they would offend th e grea t body of the people of this country. Was it a matter o f perfect indifference to this great country w h at religion a man professed ? For the Jewish people he entertained a sin cere respect, but in their favour ho could not consent to abandon the Christianity cf the State.--(Cheers.) The Earl of WICKLOW confessed that it appeared to him that it was just because they were a Christian country that no danger could arise from the admission of Jews into Parliament. But, notwithstanding the profession of such principles, he had the strongest ob jection to this Bill, because it did not abolish oaths alto gether. This Bill differed from the Bill o f 1849. He did not think the Government was justified in making these alterations.—(Hear, hear.) Ile firmly believed that there was a moral and religious feel ing in the people of this country that they would de cline to take these oaths, and he was..-of opinion that if the mass of the people were obliged to take these oaths, a feeling would speedily by raised which would compel the attention of the Legislature. It was on the grounds he had stated, that he refused his assent to the second reading of the Bill; but in the event of their Lordships acceding to the second reading, it would be easy in Com mittee to make those alterations which, in his opinion, he considered to be necessary. The Duke of ARGYLL, after referring to the speech of the Noble Earl (the Earl of Shaftesbury), said he could not easily forget being present a few years ago at a public meeting in Glasgow, to which the Noble Lord at the head of her Majesty's Government had been in vited by the people of Glasgow. He (the Duke of Ar gyll) had attended that meeting, and he had heard with infinite surprise and regret, the Noble Lord say that, for the purpose of keeping up a spirit of persecution, the House of Lords had' refused their assent to the measure of that day in favour of the Jews. He (the Duke of Argyll) deprecated such observations. He believed the Jews were not actuated by a prosely tising spirit. But the Noble Earl said, that so far as they went they were hostile to Christianity, and that it was no answer to his object, to say that only a few could be introduced into Parliament, and that it was the prin ciple he contended for. But this argument was contra dicted by the fact that the Jew was admitted to thelelec tive franchise. He was an elector, and therefore exer cised legislative power, although he admitted it was in a miner degree. With reference to the admission of avowed infidels into Parliament, Bolingbroke and Gib bon had been referred to, and the Noble Earl said that although the House knew the fact, it was with great pleasure they were called upon to declare on the faith of a Christian. Now he (the Duke of Argyll) felt no plea sure in such things, for he thought that nothing was more improper than to ask such a man to take such sn oath, and so to add hypocrisy to his other offence:. The Earl of SHAFTESBURY disclaimed using the words imputed to him, and explained that what he had said was, the act of taking the oath by such men as Bolingbroke and Gibbon was jeopardising their con sciences. The Duke of ARGYLL said that bore him:out in what he had said.—(Hear.) In so far as the consti tuency was concerned, in electing a representative they were oalled on to elect a Christian, and notwithstanding they knowingly elected an infidel, and the House of Commons, with that knowledge, oalled on him to take the oaths.—(Hear.) It was not contended that the Jew would be hostile to their ecclesiastical Establishment. It was not contended that he would be as hostile as Dissenters who had been admitted.—(Hear, h ear .) After some further remarks the Noble Duke concluded by saying that he was prepared to vote for the measure on broad and general principles.—(Hear.) He had a great reverence for the principle propounded by Dr. Arnold, as to the connexion of the Church with the State, but it appeared to him that the spiritual and the civil must be wholly sepa rated.—(Hear, hear.) That he was prepared to affirm, end according to the constitu tion of Parliament, it was wrong that men should be wholly excluded from taki n g their seats, 'wh i p wer e otherwise competent, on purely spiritual grounds, The Bishop of NORWICH agreed that this oath I wad not intended to be made a religious test. How, he would ask, would. the Christian religion be affected by this measure? Did any man think, if they passed it, there would be fewer Christians in the country than before?—(Hear, hear.) Did any man think that the Christians who elected Baron Rothschild and Mr. Salo mons had any greater sympathy with those of the Jewish persuasion than any other body of Christians? He therefore Maintained that the measure before them was incapable of inflicting injury on the Christian re ligion, but he did think they were inflicting injury on the Christian religion by year after year refusing their aszent to the measure.—(Hear, hear.) Such being his opinions, be should give his vote in favour of the second reading of the Bill.—(Hear, hear.) Lord ABINGER and the Bishop of Oxford rose to gether. The latter having resumed his seat, the Noble Lord proceeded to address the House. He said it ap peared to him that the Jewish nation had not a right to ask to be upon an equality in the eye of the law. He held that every nation had a duty to perform to itself, and that duty was to deny political power to those who differed so widely from the people of this country as the Jews did, and whose feelings were altogetherso different. He had no objection Personally to sit by a Jew, but if they once admitted members of that body to seats in the Legislature, the influence and character of their Lord ships would sustain a severe blow.—(Hear, hear.) The Earl of GALLOWAY said it was an admitted scriptural doctrine that without faith they could not please God. Now the Jews not only had not that faith, but being wholly unconverted to Christianity, they could not have it. Therefore; in the administration of the af fairs of the nation, they Would reject the truth, and for that reason ho looked upon there as utterly disqualified from acting as legislators. [When the Earl of Galloway commenced his brief ob servations, the - Bishop of Oxford, who evidently was most anxious to take part in the debate, left the House. The Right Rev. PrOtete remained, away but a minute or two, but when he returned he found, to his great astonish ment, that not only had the Earl of Galloway concluded, but that the Lord Chancellor was in the act of winding up the debate :by a reply.. Thisesircumstanee caused some merriment among their Lordships.] The LORD CHANCELLOR would not detain their Lordships many minutes with his observations in reply. He admitted that there ewas a difference between the making laws and their administration. But the value of their laws mainly depended on the manner in which they were administered, and Jews were now a party to that administration. If they continued to reject this Bill, and to oppose that which must be taken to be the sense of the country, they would not increase the love and respect now felt in their Lordships' House.—(Hear, hear.) Theymight be persuaded to reject the Bill, but let them not persuathetheaiselves that it would not be presented to them again and again until it was ultimately carried. The Noble and Learned Lord suddenly re sumed his seat, "so suddenly; indeed, that the Bishop of Oxford failed to observe his , Lortisbip, and again lost the opportunity of addressing the House. Contents (for the motion) ... 6O Proxies Non-contents B2 Proxies Majority against the Bill Their Lordships then adjourned. THE LAW OF MORTMAIN. Yesterday the Committee of the House of Commons, appointed to inquire into the Laws of Mortmain, was excessively crowded during the day, from the fact of its being known that his 'eminence Cardinal @: iseman had been summoned to give evidence before the Committee. There was a great crowd of Members of Parliament, clergymen of the Church of England, Catholic priests, and no small number of ladies. The Committee consists of eighteen Members, of whom Mr. Headlam is the chairman. The other Members are the Attorney-General, Lord John Manners, Sir H. H. Inglis, Mr. Drummond, Mr. Anstoy, Mr. Hutt, Mr. Fitzpatrick, Mr. Adair, Mr. Houndell -Palmer, Mr. Heald, Lord H. Vane, Mr. liardcastle, Mr. Monsell, Mr. Napier, Mr. Keogh. The Earl of Arundel and Surrey had also been cast for the Committee. The CHAIRMAN addressinz the Cardinal (who, to the disappointment of the public on the occasion, sate with his back to them throughout the examination) said, the Committee have raferred to you as the best authority, probably, on the subject of Catholic matters in this country, wishing to know your opinion on the law of Mortmain as it affects property devised to Catholic com munities. Do you consider that the Catholics of this country look upon these laws and the administration of justice by the tribunals of this country with distrust? Cardinal Wiseman—l do not. The CHAIRMAN —Do you know of anything upon which the Catholics of this country object to our pre sent laws of Mortmain? Cardinal Wiseman—No, ex cept it be property devised for what are called supersti tious uses and masses for the dead, which members of what is called the Established Church may look upon as superstitious, but which Catholics do not so consider. The CHAIRMAN—Have Catholics any objection to the administration of the same laws in reference to their charitable trusts as are administered in a Protestant community?—The Cardinal knew of no objection; and then went on to say that in the case of money devised for the purpose of saying masses, the money, unless it were a very small sum, did not go to the priest in the way of a small sum, as a personal gift, in which case it was left with the priests. The larger sums were invested in the name of trustees in the usual way. Had known such a sum as 501. to be invested, and the uses to which such moneys were applied were for the endowment or foundation of a new church, or to the establishment of some ministry in connexion with it. In the case of a person entering a convent, a previous contract was en tered into with reference to their property; sometimes part of the property was given to the convent, and part to the relations. In the case of persons to whom money was bequeathed while they were inmates of the convent, it was not in this country always considered that it be came the property of the oonvent, but it was, generally speaking, at the disposal of the party herself to give to relations, and he had known cases in which that had been done. The CHAIRMAN remarked that a case had occurred in Belgium where the superioress of the convent had tried the question of the right of the convent to pro perty bequeathed to inmates of the convent; to which the Cardinal replied that ,that was in Belgium, bat in this country the persons had a legal right to dispose of any property left them. The CHAIRMAN asked whether considerable dissatis faction had not prevailed among the Catholics a few years ago in reference to the law affecting trusts of pro perty for charitable purposes?—The Cardinal replied that seine Bills had been introduced, one under the auspices of Sir J. Romilly, butit was a question whether it was not an unfriendly Bill, and he opposed it, or did not coincide with it. He (the Cardinal) had not pledged himself actually to any Bills introduced; but he thought a different feeling new prevailed, and that the Catholics continued as they were. He did not think that the Catholics were favourable to any legislative in terference in matters of this description, as they had had some lessons from late events, and looked on legislation of that kind with distrust. In answer to further questions as to the power of the propaganda affecting spiritual and temporal ques tions submitted to their jurisdiction from this country, and as to the power of the Catholic archbishops upon marriage matters, the Cardinal said he bad already ex plained his views on these matters to previous Com• mittees of the House of Commons w h en h e h ad g i ven every information in his power, but at the present moment he was under entirely different circumstances. An Act, a declaratory Act, was pending before the Legislature in , of . this country, but w hi c h was to b e re trospective AS operations, which ren d ere d hi m l i a b le to certain penalties, or Lo the information of any coca. mon informer, incase of his acknowl e d g i ng any official communi▪ cation with the see of Rome. On questions, therefore, relating to subjects which would require his admission of communications with the see of Rome, ho must respectfully decline to giza answer. The CHAIRMAN observed, that whatever was said they would have the protection of the House of Com mons. The Cardinal re pli e d, that that did not alter his opinion. He had known cases where the protection of the House . of Commons did not avail. Was not aware that any portion of funds beq u eath e d by th e C a th o li c communi▪ ty forcharitable purposes were not administered strictly within the intention of the donor, and it was not within his own knowledge as regarded any property over which he (the Cardinal) had control. Property, in some instances, might be applied not improperly, accord ing to the spirit rather than to the letter of the bequest —a fund might be applied to a purpose analogous to that for which it was intended. If a priest of the Catholic Church received a legacy it was his own property, and if the case was in England ho treated it just as he pleased. If he (the Cardinal) had a large sum of money given him ho should apply it to his own purposes, and not altogether or specifically to ecclesiastical purposes. In the case of gifts of this kind to priests or prelates of the Catholic Church, tho disposal would be dictated by their own conscience, and according to the ties operating on them. If he (the Cardinal) had a legacy left him of 1,0001., without any particular conditions attached, he should not consider it was necessary to apply it to any particular purpose. With respect to secret trusts, and the secret disposition of property, was of opinion measures might be taken to secure their application to ecclesiasti cal purposes, and he would much rather have it so. Al ways individually, in matters concerning the bequeathal or disposition of property acted under legal advice, and according to his sense of duty. As regarded the main question before the Committee, and their re lation to !the Catholic community, was of opinion that a question might arise as to whether the laws of Mortmain, as opposed to any other laws, were just. Judging from his own conviction of the policy of the Mortmain laws, and that they were not in accordan ce with other laws, did not think it would bo indispensable to insert clauses in any measure rendering publicity in all matters of charitable bequest necessary. Thought that any legislation that affected the charitable trust of any other body s hould give equal security and protection to the Catholic body, and was not prepared to say that there should be any clauses exempting Catholics. The property of Roman Catholics in England generally was in land rather than money. The above is the substance of the Cardinal's examina tion, many parts of which, owing to the crowd, and from his back being `urned, it was difficult to catch. At three o'clock ais.Eminence , bowing to the Committee,who acknowledged it, left the committee-room with the Rev. Mr. Serle, his secretary, and was 'followed along the lengthy corridor by the crowd, until he reached his ard, and drove off rapidly. carriage in Palace -y • . DEATH OF THE EMIL OF CLIARLEVILLE.--It is with great; regret we have to announce the death of the Earl of Charleirille, which sad event took place suddenly on Monday last in the neighbourhood of London. By his de cease, a vacancy occurs in the representative Peerage of Ire land. His Lordship is succeeded in his title and estates by his eldest son, Viscount Tullamore, now Earl of Charleyille. W.. 4vening - 7ek,.=7.7 — T• FILE DAY • eJ U 14 V: Fr , 1851. THE CRYSTAL PALACE. FIRST AND SECOND EDITIONS OF THE OFFICIAL CATALOGUE. The remarks which have been indulged in by some of our contemporaries, with respect to the Official Catalogue of the Great _Exhibition, together with a re-perusal of the " Second corrected and Improved Edition," induce us to make a few observations upon the work and its predecessors. The world is gene rally pretty critical upon catalogues, and every one feels quite competent to judge of what no one can produce to the satisfaction of any human being, him self not excepted. The first edition of the catalogue was produced on the morning o f th e open i ng of the Exhibition, and was hailed as one of the wonders of that eventful day. It was soon discovered that it contained a consider able number of errors, and it was as mercilessly criti cised as it had before been liberally praised. How many of those who were most for ward to complain, knew anything of the difficulties that had been over come, as compared with those which had defied the compilers, and remained, in their effects, stubborn witnesses of their own indomitable character We will not attempt to answer our own question, but briefly state a few of the peculiar circumstances which affected the work. In the first place, it wasat m pr a e n s y s before the goods were in their places---nay, before of them had arrived. Why such haste, a reader may urge ; would it not have been preferabl e to wait a month rather than produce an imperfect work a To this we reply, in the first place, that if the i ra _ perfect work had not been produced, the improved edition would never have seen the light; and, in the second place, had the Exhibition been opened and the catalogue not ready, the outcry would have been loud and continuous against all concerned in the ma nagement. The first edition was a necessity, and must be regarded as produced under pressure. We live in a railroad age, every thing is expected to be great, rapid, and cheap. ' We grumble every day that London is so large that it wears us out in body or ruins us in cab-hire, yet who is there that writes " London" in his address that does not boast and feel proud of its miles and millions. We complain loudly enough when we are obliged to scamper across the mud to save our lives or our clothes, from a cab steal ing over M'Adam at the rate of twelve miles an hour ; yet we know that society does and will go at that pace, all the gouty old gentlemen, " unprotect e d fe males," and helpless c hild ren i n ie " Great Metro polis" notwithstanding. We cry out every day of our lives that things are too cheap to be good ; and yet it is perfectly well known that, except the most extraordinary talent or the most admirably managed puffing be employed, nothing will sell that costs more than a shilling. In accordance with these undeniable facts, the catalogue of the largest and most various collection that was ever brought together since the world began was brought out with unheard of cele rity—so large almost to require a page to carry it, and at about the price per pound that we give for our butter. Of course, every one knows how to make a cata logue. The thing is simple enough_; the objects are carefully examined, and their relative position accu rately ascertained; the descriptions are then put down in precisely the same order in the manuscript, which is serit to press, carefully set up, and carefully revised, an afterwards carefully put together by the binder, and then issued to the w orld, or ra th er t o th e ' 1 trade, with Out a single error, as we k now catalogu es always are, or should be, if they did but follow the simple rule of their nature. There were a few points, however, in the compilation of the 1 i xhibition cata logue that did not exactly coincide with this sim plicity. In the first place, there were about sixteen thousand exhibitors, who dated from all parts of the world, and had determined to send some contribution to the exhibition ; to this small body of contributors the compilers had to look for their materials, the officers of the executive committee supplied the numbers to be attached to these interesting para graphs, and we believe that the greatest pains were taken by all concerned to make the arrangement systematic and convenient : the numbers were to run from left to right, like books upon a shelf, so that the visitor would have nothing to do but to walk in the prescribed course and find number two next to number one, number three next to number two, and so on from Alpha to Omega. We doubt not it looked most complete upon paper, and would have been highly satisfactory but for a few trifling and unfore seen accidents, which we shall point out. Some few hundred of the exhibitors sent in no de scriptions at all, either in groundless apprehension of being charged for their insertion, or in obedience to the laws of procrastination and forgetfulness. Others sent descriptions, but were not equally punctual with regard to the goods themselves. The former were astonished, when the catalogue appeared, that the officials had not supplied above four-fifths of their omissions, and the public were equally surprised that one steam-engine, a brass saucepan, an aerial machine to carry forty people, a sample of treacle soap, a newly-invented patent lucifer match-box, and a glass walking-stick, were to be found, like the carpenter's nails in `$ Joe Miller" "in the bill," and no where else. Again, when the goods arrived, they most obstinately refused to fit the places assigned to them on the plan. A " specimen 'of granite" arrived in state, with a train of horses nearly as long as the Crystal Palace itself. Once" specimen of copper ore," took ten men to get it out of its carriage, while another came in the waistcoat pocket of a celebrated professor ; some specimens of crystalised salts were mistaken, on their arrival, for Derbyshire came in a could be fur models, on a large scale, of the great caves ; and a sample of hops certainly ' pocket," but it weighed .5001b5., and ther compressed. Six feet four could not be placed next in the rank to four feet six, so number one was put on the floor and number two at the top of the wall, just as pictures are arranged in every ex hibition in the United Kingdom, and, doubtless, everywhere else ; but human work, which passes well enough under ordinary circumstances, looks ter ribly rough and clumsy when brought under the microscope ; and this fact never was more strongly illustrated than in the case in question—fifty irregu larities, which involve a walk of half a quarter of a mile each, take off the edge of a man's good temper, eat considerably into the longest day, and call down upon the unfortunate catalogue-maker epithets nei ther laudatory nor complimentary. No wonder then that the first, and even the second issue of the catalogue was imperfect, and that com plaints were not, like angel-visits, few and far be tween. The compilers set to wo r k to remedy the evil, and the second issue was a decided improve ment on the first ; but down to the time of the issue of this latter edition, some parts of the collection were still unarranged, and the pressure upon those who did the work of the Exhibition was still so en grossing, that it was almost impossible to attain to anything like a satisfactory result. During the last few weeks, however, matters have assumed a settled aspect, and the effect of this is evident in this new and really corrected edition, which has been revised with very great care. It also contains a large amount of new matter, the whole of Turkey and India being additional, besides numerous items in the French, American, and other departments. The table of contents has been entirely remodelled and much extended, and will be found to furnish a complete guide to the various parts of the Exhibition, as well as a key to the catalogue. I say confidently,• that if visitors will look through the contents, and will take the trouble to read the introductory re marks with which Mr. Yapp has prefaced the work, they will find the plan of the catalogue simple, and its execution satisfactory ; but if they will look for No. 10 of Class 20 in Class 10, and laboriously persist that the Russian vases are not in the cata logue, because they cannot find them, either in Tunis, America, or Florence, they will themselves be great losers in point of information ; and will commit a great injustice on the contractors and all engaged in the production of the catalogue, if they condemn before they have taken the trouble to make an examination, which will cost them at the utmost ten minutes time, and amply repay them for its dis bureement. THE EXHIBITION IN HYDE-PARK;A meeting of the Manchester local committee was held on Thursday af ternoon to petition the Legislature to continue the Crystal Palace, in Hyde-park. The meeting was not very nume rously attended. Mr. John Potter, the Mayor of Manchester, presided. A petition, drawn up for the purpose, was agreed to, and will be forwarded to both Houses of the Legislature immediately. [ADVERTISEMENT]..—THE GREAT EXHIBITION. A valuable, newly-invented, very small powerful waistcoat pocket glass, only the size of a walnut, to discern minute ob jects at a distance of from four to five miles, which is found to be invaluable at the Exhibition, and to Sportsmen, Gentlemen, and Gamekeepers. To be had at 39, Albemarle -street, Piccadilly, opposite the York-hotel. Opera and Race-course glasses with wonderful powers—a small object can be clearly seen from ten to twelve miles distant. Telescopes—a new and most important invention in Telescopes, possessing such extra ordinary powers, that some, 3i inches, with an extra eye piece , will show distinctly, Jupiter's Moons, Saturn's Ring, and the Double Stars. They supersede every other kind, and are :: all sizes, for the waistcoat pocket, shooting, military, an d have purposes. Messrs. S. and B. SoLomoNs, Opticians , indiately invented invaluable preserving Spectacle Lenses they are placed before imperfect vision, every objectim appears clear and distinct, the most aged defective sight l and original becomes bright and brilliant, is brought to its youthful, natural state. The Invisible Organic Vibrator, and all kinds a of acoustic instruments for relief of extreme deafness. 39, Albemarle.. street, Piccadilly, opposite the York Hotel., s!ayso l nttr i eti d . [ADvEnnsEmENT.] ale South . letter t 0 Foot.—Mr. Henry K n e n n Pills.—Extraordinary Cure--oflia Bolaldo h A e de w la a i s d e e, oni th p a e t ll i e n d h t i o s jour neynewell, son of the late much respeLeotenddosunr:setyaotredofint ampton District of St. Pancras, his mother from BuirrroamßuArdralPidoer,t v,alk an d,. in doing so, he grazed, and to those mines for want of a conveyance, afterwards poisoned his foot, which became so bad that he was under a surgeon's care for more than two months without ob taining any relief; he was then induced to try Holloway's Oint ment and Pills, which, in three weeks, completely cured his foot, and he was enabled to commence work without incon venience.—Sold by all druggists, and at Professor Holloway's Establishment, 244, Strand, London. f ~~ THE ROYAL AGRICULTURAL SOCIETY. Yesterday the show-yard of the society was thronged with visitors brought down to Windsor by excursion trains running every half' hour, -at reduced fates, from _„,, I the Waterloo and Paddington stations. Th e prize cell nisls were all examined with immense interest, and the display generally appeared to excel in attractiveness that of any former year. The society's meeting has lost nothing in popular estimation from the absence of the agricultural implements, and even the in crease d time '`, ,' -, during which the stock has remained open for inspection has not been found to exhaust public curiosity. Not withstanding the excellence of the situation chosen fore this annual fete, and the success with which it has been, , attended, it may now be fairly regarded as a subject of regret that it was not held- more in the immediate ettee , vicinity of London. Had such an arrangement been mado the inhabitants of the metropolis, and the im mense number of strangers at present sojourning among us, would have been equally accommodated, the funds of the . society would have been greatly benefited, and a more complete opportunity would have been afforded for examining a display of stock unprecedented both in its variety and its ex cellence. That display is now over, and all that remains of it is the impression which it leaves upon the mind of, the bounty of nature in supplying to the agricultural system of this country such extensive and admirable breeds of stock. For each description of land, for each diversity of vegetation and, climate, we shall find au adaptation distinctly provided. The Cotswold-hills and the chalk downs, and the rich pastures of the midland counties, and even the coarse grasses of cur Welsh and northern mountains, are all remembered in that wise and beneficent variety of sheep stock which the show yard at Windsor illustrates. In cattle the same law ia more or less discernible. The North Devons, the Short horne, the Herefords, and all the other kinds exhibited, develop severally a peculiar fitness for the districts whenc e they chi( fly come. Yet in none is the aptitude for certain localities so stringent that it does not admit of ample relaxation to meet the exigencies of markets and the wants of a comprehensive system of agriculture. In this remarkable year, when every branch of human industry takes stock for the past and girds itself for new efforts during tea future, we earnestly trust that the farmers of this country will direct their attention more fully than they have hitherto done to the endless diversities of practice, tempered always with a due re gard to the circumstances of soil and climate with which o bs m tin a a n t y el o y th p e e r r s - Nature provides them. The display in the Home Park to which language at Windsor establishes with a force cannot do suffiCient justice, the folly of severing in any one course of agricultural man agement which has ceased to be profitable when so present themselves which, judiciously carried cut , may lead to satisfactory results. Farming, like every occu pation in life, has its lines of divergence, along w hi ch men must choose with discretion their path, for there is no royal rood to success now which the uneducated a n d the enlightened, the duped and the sagacious, the needy and the well-provided, can all alike travel with confi dence. The repeal of the corn-laws has stopped up the only, thoroughfare which had acquired that reputation, and if, as a consequence of that great change, wheat has ceased to be remunerative, our agricultural practice mast be modified and altered until the disturbed balance of the markets is restored in our favour. It is not within the province of the journalist to indicate what course should be adopted, but looking at the varied fea tures of the cattle show just terminated, one cannot help thinking that an occupation which presents so many alternatives and choices in manufacturing the food of the people must alone bo dependent for its permanent prosperity upon the independent energy and skill with which each man pursues it s acts . Impressed with this conviction, wo are anxious to see the Royal Agricultu ral Society extending its influence among the mass of our practical farmers. It has outlived an infancy ren dered doubtful by the patronage of the great, whose hu. mours and jealousies had to be conciliated in return. In. its council and management some of the ablest and most enterprising of our agriculturists have gradually gained a secure footing. Traces of toadyism and clique influ ence still remain, however; these will not be finally re moved until further steps are taken to secure the co operation and sympathy of the tenantry as a body, and to make them regard the society less as an association of amateurs, and more as identified with their own interests and progress. COURT CIRCULAR. The Queen held a Court and Privy Council at one o'clock yesterday, at Buckingham Palace. At the Court the Earl of Derby had an audience of the Queen, and delivered to her Majesty the ensigns of the Most Noble Order of the Garter worn by his lather, the late Earl of Derby. Count Buol-Schaunstein, Envoy Extraordinary, and Minister Plenipotentiary from his Imperial Majesty the Emperor of Austria, delivered his credentials from his Sovereign. His Excellency was introduced by Viscount Palmerston. G.C.8., the Queen's Principal Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, and conducted by Colonel the Hon. Sir Edward Cast, her Majesty's Master of the Ceremonies. Mr. Sheriff Robert Walter Carden, and Mr. Sheriff George Edmund Hodgkinson were presented to the Queen by Viscount Palmerston (officiating for Sir G. Grey, the Hume Secretary), when her Majesty was graciously pleased to confer the honour of knighthood on both Sheriffs. Lord Harris was presented to the Queen on his return from abroad, by Earl Grey, Secretary of State for the Colonies. The Privy Council was attended by his Royal High. ness Prince Albert, the Lord President, the Lord Chan- ' cellor, the Lord Privy Seal, the Secretaries of State for the Foreign and Colonial Departments, the First Lord of the Admiralty, the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lan caster, the Lord Steward, the Lord Chamberlain, the Master of the Horse, and the Groom of the Stole to tho Prince. Her Majesty having been pleased to appoint the Right Hon. Charles Earl of Sefton to be Lord-Lieutenant of the county of Lancaster, his Lordship took the cus tomary oaths. The Hon. William Bathurst was the Clerk of the Council in Waiting. _ _ The Marquis erLansdowne had an audience of her Majesty. The Court was attended by the Treasurer of the Household, Viscount Combermere, Gold Stick in Wait ing; Lord Elphinstoce, Lo r d i n W a i t i ng; and S i r Ed ward Bowater, Groom in Waiting. The Queen and Prince Albert, accompanied by the Princess Helens, and attended by the Hon. Lucy Kerr, Lord Charles Fitzroy, and Lieutenant-Colonel Francis Hugh Seymour, visited the Exhibition of the Works of Industry of all Nations yesterday morning. Her Ma. jesty and the Prince remained one hour at the Exhibi. tio ,n and then returned to Buckingham Palace. Her Royal Highness the Duchess of Kent - visited her Majesty yesterday. His Royal Highness Prince Albert presided yesterday afternoon at a meeting of the Commission for Promoting and Encouraging the Fine Arts in the rebuilding of the Palace of Westminster. His Royal Highness arrived at three o'clock at the Palace of Westminster, attended by Lieutenant-Colonel F. 11. Seymour. , The Commissioners present were, the Earl of Carlisle, Lord Colborne, the Right Hon. Sir James Graham, and Sir Robert H. Inglis, Bart. The Secretary, Sir Charles L. Eastlake, and Mr. Au brey Bezzi were in attendance. The meeting broke up at five o'clock. Prince Arthur and the Princess Louisa took an airing in an open carriage and four yesterday. Her Majesty, accompanied by the Princess Alice and the Princess Helena, and attended by the Countess of Mount Edgecumbe, took a drive in an open carriage and four yesterday afternoon. Lord Charles Fitzroy and Lieut.-Colonel F. H. Seymour attended on horse. back. The Queen and Prince Albert honoured her Majesty's Theatre with their presence last evening. The royal suite consisted of the Countess of Mount Edgecumbe, the Hon. Amelia Murray, the Hon. Lucy Kerr, Lord Elphinstone, Lord Charles Fitzroy, and Lieutent-Colonel F. 11. Seymour. Her Majesty's private band attended in Buckingham Palace after dinner on Wednesday evening, and played tho following pieces:— Overture Romance L'Enfant Prodigue Auber. Chesur et Couplets Finale, First Act, " Zauberflote" Mozart. Her Royal Highness the Duchess of Kent, attended by Lady Augusta Bruce, Baroness de Speth, and Lord James Murray, honoured the Royal Italian Opera with her presence yesterday evening. r ner RthoeyEalarl Highness c e u t n h t e e s D s u e e f h e Jerseyss o with of Gloucester herke ceiho noured pany at dinner last evening, at their residence i n Be ley-square. an 6 i: e t e o r v deputation terdoduties hthade ad and Forests, i n f her Majesty's Commissioners of e. air. Wood (Heston Duke, White h A tt l i r l- . 13 M 1 a Morton o n T ( I ro r d n deputationu d r i b tt a o mW )7 ll a a d s n gi a ge dra tne m td : l es i Mf esor Sr rs i. e. rT tp j a a or ay yt ra t l e oe tr rs o. (Duke of Northumberland's Hill,Col Colliery), , s M i i r m D e, a e v e e a y i f c a o c a t T s e si r r c . h a;t A , Mr. Tennent, and Societywsecorfeltarerlyandof, hsatdataen fionrtetrhv Chancellor of the Exchequer, at yffi ,l3 0 the t,erd , y 0 y w a i lt with Fluthe voning-street. offs vial residence in recovering, and Was much better.yes eiewHoemae" e is Gzgy co , Mr. Arrowsmith, Superintendent of Government Wor ks a Malls, had an i n terview with Earl Grey yea better - yes- terday. reSdPiaaryr Department, is Oxford University Commission had a meeting at the Colonial-office. yes terday, yeste yester day, at the official r es id ence of the First Lord of the rday, in Downing -street. Present—The Bishop of Norwich, the Dean of Carlisle, the Master of Pembroke, the Her. H. G. Liddell,' J. L. Dampier, Esq., the Rev. Professor Powell, the Rev. G. H. S. Johnson, and the Rev. A. P. Stanley (Secretary). BATTY'S HIPPODROME AT KENSINGTON.--This extensive circle, it is gratifying to hear, is now daily attended by the most respectable assemblages; and the exertions of one of the most popular caterers for the amusement of the multitude is earning that success which he so richly deserves for his skill and enterprise. The unrivalled horsemanship and the wonderful feats which aro performed at the Hippo drome justly entitle the establishment to be considered as among the first places of interest to be seen by holiday me tropolitans or country visitors. MISS CATHERINE HAYES.—Madlle. Hayes 144 08./K arrived in Paris, previous to her professional trip to New , r ,• 3 York, for which she has refused very and Scotland. " brilliant offers, both on the continent, and in England, Madlle. 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