The Sun. — London, England, 1851-07-22 00:00:00

GRAVEYARDS.—PAST AND PRESENT. Hamlet spoke but the feelings of the human heart when, moralizing in the graveyard, he exclaimed, " Did these bones cost no more in the breeding but to play at loggats with them? Mine ache to think on't." With truth, be complaiaed that the clownish gravedigger " had no feeling of his business;" and even in the present day there are many who will cynically ask, " What matters it to the escaped spirit if we be knocked about the mazzard with a sexton's spade,' when the body has ful filled its office upon earth, and the withered frame has returned to dust?" Many instances may also be cited, in which the great ones of the earth have apparently despised any care for the disposal of their remains. Plato allowed no larger funeral monument than would contain four heroic verses, and he set aside the most barren ground for sepulture. Pliny derides care for the dead, as a weakness only known to men. Socrates told his friends they might burn or bury his body, if they would not think thereby they had burned or buried Socra tes. Solon desired that his body might be carried to his na tive Salamis, to be burned and scattered to the winds. Diogenes directed that his remains should be ex posed to birds and beasts of prey. Seneca would give no directions as to the disposal of his body, stating that the necessity of the ca'o would provide for it. But all these are equivocal; for the very fact of their having given directions respecting their remains evidences a certain anxiety on the subject. Our own Shakspere exhibits more frankness in the matter in his well-known epitaph :7 _ " Good friend, for Jesus' sake forbear° To digg the dust enclosed here. Blest be the man that spares these stones : Aid curst be he that moves my bones !" Whatever men may say, they feel a care for the future disposal of their bodies. In the moment of thoughtless revelry and idle jesting they may affirm their indifference ; but it is to no man a pleasing reflection that, perhaps long before the worm has finished his work, the silence of the tomb may be invaded by the sexton's spade; that even in the grave will competition still be rife, and the remains of his neighbour jostle against his own; that his bones, while still corruptible, may be cast no" more into the light of day, to be viewed by dogs or kicked about by the vulgar. No 1 man as he hopes for immortality for his soul desires a decent sepulture of his body. Amid the spasmodic strugglings of this life, he looks forward to a freedom from care— to a resting place, where his body ma y peacefully re pose, and where his friends may let fall the tear of re spect and sympathy. The ancients exhibited peculiar cars for the dead, and it is not very creditable to civitiestion that reverence for the departed appears to have been always greater in ruder ages than in those of luxury and refinement. Egypt is peculiarly distinguished for its monuments, erected in honour of the dead; and the soil around its ancient cities is literally sewn with the carefully preserved remains of millions of bodies. Petra, the Edoin of pro phecy, whose existence was unknown for a thousand years, w hen again discovered, presented on every side tombs and mausoleums of surpassing splendoitr. Etruria has recently become a region of enlightened curiosity, for its sepulchral vases and monuments. The funereal structures of ancient Greece and Rome are yet consulted as models, while the ruder tumuli, which are scattered over the face of the whole earth, show the prevalence of the sentiment in which both originated. Contrast these facts and feelings with the condition of things which the report of the Sanitary Commission and Mr. Walker's researches have brought to light— burial grounds reeking with corruption—burned coffins and mutilate , : remains—the dead resting in the one apartment of the living while the funds were being raised for intermen t—and the hundred other horrors which investigation has unfolded to the world.—Leader. RAILWAY INTELLIGENCE. LONDON, BRIGHTON, AND SOUTH COAST. The directors of this company have issued their half yearly report to be submitted to the meeting of proprie tors on Thursday next. It states that the amount of capital raised up to the 30th of June, 1851, is 7,175.817/., consisting of 1,522,5871. mortgage debt, 1,037,5961. pre ference capital, and 4,615,634/. consolidated stock. The directors have steadily pursued the policy of declining to take loans, except for a long period, such as 10 years, so as to place the company as far as possible beyond the risk of fluctuations in the money market ; and they have no difficulty in obtaining money for this period at 4 per cent. The additional capital expended during the past half-year, irrespective of additions to working stock, amoanta-to 18,4721., of which 9,302/. is for the new ter minus at London-bridge. This work has been completed for about 143,0001., or 7,0001. less than the original esti mate. The works contemplated in the estimate of 7,200,0001. given in October, 1848, have been completed, the liabilities all extinguished (with the exception of about 20,0001. for land claims, &c., owing to legal diffi culties), and the assets all realised with the exception of the remaining surplus lands and other property. The value of the surplus land may be safely taken at about 57,0001. This would have left about 109,000/. of surplus capital on the estimate of October, 1848, supposing the traffic not to have varied materially from the then figure of 450,4791. per annum. Since that period, however, the gross annual income has increased upwards of 100,000/. of which about 40,0001. has arisen from goods traffic, which has 'advanced, in less than three years, from an average of 1,2001. to an average of upwards of 2,0001. per week, and the amount of work done has increased in a still larger proportion. The whole amount expended out of capital in providing for the additions called for by the lucre iced traffic from the end of the year 1848 down to the commencement of 1851 has been only about 28,000/ which still left a margin of about 81,000/. of unexpended capital within the original estimate of 7,200,0004 The time, however, bed arrived when the further increase of working stock. &c., could no longer be delayed without serious detriment to the traffic, and 121 vehicles, costine in all 18,882/., have been added to the stock during the past half-year. Tee passenger-stock is now sufficient for the traffic, and tLe directors are proceeding to provide for the increase in the goods department The question of any further sum being required beyond 7 200,0004 will not be raised unless the progressive increase of the traffic should render further accommodation indispensa ble. The gross revenue for the half-year has been 248,635/., showing an increase of 20,066/. over the corresponding half-year of 1850, of which 15,6891. has been in the passenger, and 4,377/. in the goods traffic. The average increase over the corresponding period of 1850, which, during the first four months of the year, had been 850/. per week, has, since the opening of the Exhibitien on the Ist of May, been only 450/. per week. The principal results hitherto obtained from the Exhi bition haw been the establishment of a cheap and direct route between London and Paris viel Newhaven and Dieppe. The influx of passengers attracted by the cheap fares has been so great that it has become neces sary to provide two passages each way daily. On com paring the receipts and expenditure for the half-year ending the 30th of June, 1851, with the corresponding period of 1850, it appears thil at the former period the receipts amounted to 241,204/., the expenses to 107,3551., and the miles run to 774,899, and at the latter men tioned period the receipts amounted to 221,138/., the ex penses to 98,634 i, and the miles run by the trains to 580,140. The principal heads of increase in the ex penses have arisen from the competition at Hastings, and the increased number of trains ran partly to ac commodate the traffic, which since the commencement of the Exhibition has been chiefly of a low-priced de scription, and partly to extend the facilities for residence le the vicinity of the line. An increase of about 3,0001. in thelocomotive department is due to the construction of new engines of a lighter description for the traffic of the branch lines. The report alludes to the opening of the Ashford and Hastings line, and to the pro posal made by the directors to the South- Eastern Company with a view to prevent un necessary competition for the traffic between London and Hastings, which were rejected. It goes on to state that, " The directors notified to the South-Eastern Com pany their determination to make no alteration in the existing rates, and to take no step whatever in the way of competition, unless compelled to do so in self-defence; but as the South-Eastern Company, after the first month, increased the number and speed of their trains, and re duced the fares fur the 94 miles from London through Ashford to Hastings considerably below their regular fares for the 67 miles from London to Ashford, the di rectors had no alternative but to place additional trains on the line at the same fares. Expense was thus entailed on both companies, and the proceeds of the traffic were diminished; but the result hitherto fully justifies the di rectors in resisting the demand for a concession of half the entire traffic in respect of the circuitous Ashford li n e, the loss sustained by this company having been much less than that proportion. In any event it will be satisfactory to the shareholders to know that their rights at Hastings are so effectually secured that there is no danger of any competition depriving them of their fair share of the traffic. " The opinions of ibe directors on the question of audit remain unchanged. They are anxious that the pro prietors should on all occasions exercise the ample powers of investigation which they at present possess, like men of business determined to understand their own aff a i rs; but they deprecate all attempts to apply to railways the continental principle of substituting Government boards wad Acts of Parliament for individual vigilance and ex ertion —a principle which is scouted in every other bran c h of English commercial enterprise. " The ne t amount at t h e cre dit of tho revenue accou n t for s The half-year is 144,5281, whereof ea appropriated for interest on the mortgage debt 31,2301, for dividend on preferen ce capital, 27,9074: together, 59,137_1 . Leaving a balanc e of 8 5,3914 Out of which the directors re commend a dividend of 11. 16s. ee cent. for the half year, amounting credit of the curre nt to 83 , 0811., leaving a balance to the n w t h half-year of 2,3101. " All shares on been forfeited and sold,leh any calls were in arrear () have which there are arrears on with of the exception of 4 These shares will be sold calls amounting to 1,410/ immediately, l and the stock and shares account thus finally The auditors; report states thayt closed." The by their con tinuous and monthly audit most tully and strictly ex outlined the accounts, and they find them correct. The mortgage debt account shows that 551,100/. was b orro wed at 5 per cent., 6,0001. at 41 per cent., 196,427/. at ‘if per cent., 162,000/. at 4+ per cent., 604,560/. at 4 per cent. , and 2,500/. at 3t per cent, making together 1,522,5874 The capital account shows th at 7,174,407/. had been received, and 7,137,561/. expended, giving credit for 59,1421. surplus land and other property, leaving a balance of 36,845/. The revenue account for the half-year stated that 251,882/. had been received, in cluding 3, 9 47/. from the last account, and that 107,3551., had been expended, leaving a ba lance of 144,52 7/. The reserve fund amounts to 26,1124 SOUTH-EASTERN RAILWAY. The number of passengers conveyed on this railway r to and from tho London-bridge terminus , on Satu r d o) , , a L;vraii ls,73s—namely, 7,983 to 14)ndon, end 7,752 frcm d o,;biados. LETTER from JOHN MITCHEL. LATEST NEWS FROM THE " EXILES "-SAFE ESCAPE OF M'MANUS. We copy the following from the Freeman's Journal: — "Bothwell, Van Diemen's Land, St. Patrick's Day, 1851. " My dear Gray,—Will you do us, felons, a favour? You will see by three newspapers which I send you by this post, that the official people here, through the Advertiser, which is the' Government organ,' are trying to deprive us of all respect and consideration by charg ing us with a breach of faith in the mere matter of riding out of our prescribed bounds sometimes—as if we could not as easily leave the island: M'Manus has shown them how easily, the minute he was free of his parole. In short it seems not enough that we are in the power of these gaolers, and subject to every brutal usage they may choose to inflict, but as was always yet the trick of their English nation,' they must also blacken and belie their enemies. Therefore, you see they lie like Britons. " I believe the plot to be this—to produce in England the impression that our parole cannot be trusted, and so to procure from London authority for Sir William Deni son to take us into custody and set us to work. And the plot may succeed if no notice be taken of it. Now, the favour you are to do us is, simply to make it known that these fellows do not impeach our good faith without being at least answered. And this you can do by print ing such extracts from these papers, and making such remarks as you may judge best for the purpose. But for God's sake no appeal ad misericordiam " Is it not said that Sir William Denison must be an swered, for the present, only thus? And is it not a gal lant thing in him to set his newspaper to abuse men who are under his lock and key, that be may do a pleasure to his employers—the British Government and the British nation generous, chivalrous, magnanimous British nation! " So now that I have vented my wrath, I feel easier, an d a m in a good humour. Therefore I must tell you that from many individuals and families of that same British nation, settled in this country, we have re ceived (Martin and I) the kindest and most considerate attentions and hospitalities. Indeed the agreeable society of their houses has rescued us from the abomination of felonious company, or (what would have been our only alternative) the grimmest au litude. lam very grateful to these good people; and whatever may be my horror of the English Government in Ireland, I assure you I don't hate Englishmen, and as for Englishwomen, I love Englishwomen. " You have heard, I am sure, of our way of life here, through the friends of O'Meagher, Martin, &c., for they keep perp e t ua lly writing letters. So I need hardly in dulge in description. Yet here's one taileau for you. Imagine Martin and me, atter a glorious ride of twenty miles through noble old woods, lying on the bank of a fine lake, deep in the central mountains. It is noon day, and so calm the water is hardly rippling on the pebbles, and the wooded banks and promontories, and the endless wilderness of bush stretched away through the smoky district to blue peaks of the north-west, are all sleeping in the sun, and bathed, and beam ing in an atmosphere of gold and purple. A boat nears us slowly by help of both sail and oars; a sun burnt man in a sailor's jacket stands in the stern sheets, holding the tiller; by his side on crimson cushions, sits a fair and graceful girl. The sun-burnt fellow is O'Meagher, and that lady, so fair and graceful is, who do you think? Why Mrs. O'Meagher, you dog. Martin and I spring:into the boat, do our greetings, put the boat's head about, set the sail, for a breeze has sprung up, and skim along under a tri colour flag (you know O'Meagber is great in flags), till we open a quiet bay, at the head of which bay stands a pretty cottage with verandah and a gum-tree jetty stretching into the water. We step ashore, and are welcomed into our friend's newly-built house by his newly-wedded wife. They have elegant rooms, books, horses, boats—why it is almost like living. I usually feel our condition here to be a kind of syncope or trance, our movements to be somnambulatory, and our apparent doings and sayings to be sick men's dreams; but this is absolutely a kind of tuasi life. " Until lately we used to be perpetually going to the I lakes—that is, Martin, O'Dogherty, O'Meagher, and I —and we had a pleasant enough time of it; but I fear that is almost over now. Sir William Denison will pro bably be provoked into enforcing his regulations, and then, I suppose, we must be content with our bounds. " Are you tired, or will you take another taideau? A cavalcade has been organized to go and see the Ouse river—a fine clear, full, whirling, rushing, deep-eddy ing stream, as large as the Erne or Boyne, and we are returning by moonlight, careering through the lonely , woods and frightening the five wits out of the opos sums, that clamber in a great hurry tosthe very tops of the trees as we go thundering along, for all the ladies ride like demons. We dismount at a hospitable house. There is a good wood tire, a lively tea-table, a piano, and amongst the songs that while away the even ing we aro always sure to hear the " Shan Van Vocht," or " The Wearing of the Green," or the like. The good souls do this to please the exiles; and Martin and I ride home to our little cottage as neary content as it is possi ble for banished men to be. "For after all, you know the case is bad—much worse than death. And all Irish movements at present are a thing to gnash the teeth over, if that were any com fort. Yet I, duly perpending all these things, have resolved not to gnash my teeth, but to make the best of this affair, to take care of my health (which is better than it had been for ten years tiefure my kidnapping), to read, to ride, to smoke, yea, to drink, and in ail Way. to enjoy my death-in-life, in defiance of the very devil. It will be over some day. I shall revisit the breathing world through the horu-g..te —that is. round Gipe Horn—and then-- " In the mean time I expect Mrs. Mitchel and the chil dren out here very soon, In fact, they may arrive by any tide, and then I mean to farm and feed my sheep, like an Arcadian swain, or Australian squatter, and teach the buys whatever I know—make hem good horsemen, and bring them up iu the love and fear of the British constitution. Gray, do you remember the offer you made to me as I stood in the dock waiting fur my sen tence? It you forget it, I do not, and, my dear fellow, I never will. " Mr. O'Brien is now living i❑ a district near Laun ceston, in the north of the island. I have never seen him since my kidnapping, but have had several let ters from him. When he was about to remove from New Norfolk to his new abode, he wrote to us to say, that Bothwell being directly in his way, he would spend a day with us, ride up with us to the lakes the next day (that being also in his way); spend another day there, and go forward with O'Meagher on his journey to Campbelltown. You must know it is usual to let the common prisoners, when they have a pass to go from one district to another, take their own route, and remain days on the way; and M'Manus, when he had a similar journey to make some months ago, did the very same thing which O'Brien pro posed to do. Well, it came to the Governor's ears that wo expected the pleasure of this visit; so he made haste to get a written order dispatched to O'Brien, requiring him to pro ceed to his destination by way of Bridgwater and the mail coach road, and not to loiter on the way.' For you know if three rebels should get together they might plot mischief, and danger might arise to the British consti tution. Three rebels! Why it is the precise number that makes a riot. Wherefore Sir William acted with prudence as well as magnanimity. " I sat down merely to ask an editorial favour of you, and here I have written you a long rigmarole. If you like to print any of it, or all of it, do so ; but at any rate do the main thing for us ; don't let those in fernal English papers get up a cry of breach of parole' against us. They have beaten us—could they not now let us alone?—l remain, my dear Gray, very truly yours, " JOHN MITCHEL. _ _ _ " P.S.—I bethink me that I ought to tell you how it fell out that M'Manus found himself at liberty to make his escape. Of course when the Governor took him into custody, and revoked his ticket of leave,' his parole was at an end, and it would require a new ticket of leave and new promise to revive it. In O'Dogherty's case, after his month's hard labour, his ticket of-leave was restored, and a new parole required of him. Not so M'Manus: he was not set at liberty again by the Governor, but in spite of the Governor, by the intervention of another power, the Supreme Court.' And far from giving him bank his 'comparative liberty,' or taking a new parole, the Go vernor sent him orders at once to report himself at a ' hiring depot.' But it was too late. M'Manus had a clear day or two, and good friends, a ship was ready to sail, and so he went off. THE SUN, NEW ORDER IN CHANCERY. The following order of Court was issued on Sa turday , " The Right Hon. Thomas Lord Truro, Lord High Chancellor of Great Britain, by and with the advice and assistance of the Right Hon. Sir John Romilly, Knight, Master of the Rolls, and the Right Hon. the Vice- Chancellor Sir James Lewis Knight Bruce, the Right Hon. the Vice-Chancellor Robert Mounsey Lord Oran worth, and the Right Hon. the Vice-Chancellor Sir George James Turner, Knight, doth hereby order and direct in manner tollowiug, that is to say— " 1. That when any property is directed to be sold before the Master, the Master shall be at liberty to order the same to be sold at such place, either in London or in the country, and by such person as he shall think fit. " 2. That when any property is directed to be sold be fore the Muster, the Master shall bo at lib-rty to fix a re served bidding for the same if sold entire, or if sold in lots, one bidding for each lot, sod such reserved bidding shall he made one of the conditions of sale under which the said property shall be sold ; and in order that the Master may fo rm hi s jud g ment as to such r eserve d bid ding, th e parties shall carry in before him such pro posals a s they may think fit; and the Master shall use his discretion as to communicating such reserved bid ding to the parties, or any of them, or their solicitors; and the Master, previous to such sale, if ho shall think fit, shall clue to be put under a sealed cover, and deli vered to the person appointed to sell a note in w riting of the sum at which he sh a ll fi x such reserved bidding for each lot; and in case no person shall bid a price equal to, or higher than, the sum mentioned in the said note, then the Master, or the person appointed by him to sell the said property, shall declare that such lot is not sold, but has been bought in on account of the persons inter ested in, or entitled to, the property. "3. 3. That when any property is directed to be sold before the Master, the Master shall be at liberty to fix an amount to be paid as a deposit by the purchaser s respectively at such sale, and to appoint some proper person to receive the same, who, if required by the Master, shall give security, to be approved of by the Master, duly to account for and pay what he shall re ceive in respect of such deposit, in such manner as the Court shall have directed in respect to the moneys to arise from suc h sa l e; an d the person appo i n t e d t o re ceive sucndeposit s s h a ll, w ithi n suc h t i me as th e Master shall appoint, and without any special order for the pur pose, pay the moneys which ho shall receive in respect thereof (the amount of such moneys to be certified by the Master) in such manner as the Court shall have directed with respect to the moneys to arise from the sal'. _ .. "4. That when any property is directed to be sold before the Master, the Master shall be at liberty, either before or after such property shall have been put up for sale by public auction, to receive proposals for the sale thereof, or of any part thereof, by private contract; and he shall make his report thereof, with his opinion thereon, to the Court; which report shall be submitted to the Court for confirmation in the same manner as re ports made upon special reference as to sales by private contract. " TRURO, C. "JOHN ROMILLY, M.R. " J. L. KNIGHT BRUCE, V.C. " CRANWORTH, V.C. " G. J. TURNER, V.C." POLICE INTELLIGENCE. GUILDHALL. Mr. Edward Vaughan Lovell, a barrister of the Middle Temple, was summoned before Sir C. Marshall to answer a complaint of assaulting Mr. Patrick Lenaghan, also a s barrister of the Temple. Mr. Sleigh and Mr. Thomas, barristers, appeared, the former for the complainant and the latter for the de fend ant. Mr. Lonaghan alleged that the defendant bad de bauched his (complainant's) wife, and that in conse quence he instituted inquiries into defendant's character, and ascertained that he had forged a bill of exchange for 3,0004 in the name of " Wilson and Co." On meeting him in the Temple on Wednesday last he mentioned in his hearing the name of " Wilson and C 0.," when de fendant instantly struck him with a great stick. In the course of cross-examination complainant ad mitted that he was separated from his wife, and that during the litigatory proceedings between him and her defendant was engaged as her adviser. He knew that she had not visited defendant any where but at his busi ness chambers. On being asked how he came to know defendant had forged the bill he said he had seen it in a report. Mr. Thomas, on the part of the defendant, gave a thorough denial to the whole of this statement regard ing the debauching complainant's wife and forging the bill. Sir C. MARSHALL said this was a case that would take up the tune of the Court unnecessarily,if ho allowed it to proceed. It was evident that en assault had been committed, and that provocation had been offered; he then fore thought the moat advisable plan would b. to bind all parties over in their own recoguizances of 501. to keep the peace. Mr. Thomas said he denied the assault altogether, and had witnesses to prove that complainant's wife was lead ing an irreproachable life in the house of a friend, where she was occupying apartments. Sir C. MARSHALL said, if the parties thought the mat ter of so important a nature, they could settle it at toe sessions, but he could not waste the time of the public in listening to extraneous matter. The parties were then bound over to keep the peace. LONDON, TUESDAY EVENING, JULY 22, 1851. SOUTHWARK. Robert Thompson, alias Smith, was placed at the bar before Mr. Seeker, charged with stabbing two policemen of the M or Southwark division. The prisoner, who declined saying anything in answer to the charge, was committed to the Central Criminal Court, Mr. Seeker remarking on the police sheet that be considered, from the serious nature of the case, profes sional assistance would be required to conduct it on the part of the prosecution. MARLBOROUGH-STREET. John Cannon was brought before Mr. Hardwick, charged with beating, insulting, and otherwise ill treat ing several respectable women while walking in the public streets. Two of the persons maltreated were domestics in the establishment of his Grace the Duke of Wellington. Hannah Sheppard said she was housemaid at No. 149, Piccadilly. About ten o'clock the previous night she was going home with a fellow-servant, when the pri soner passed her, and then turned round and demanded something to drink. She told him to go away or she would call the police. The prisoner instantly struck her a blow with his clenched fist between the eyes and ran off. The blow was so severe that she reeled and fell to the ground. The prisoner was quite a stranger to her. Mary Williams, fellow -servant of the above witness, said they were going home together, when the prisoner came up and gave her a blow. He then went to her companion and demanded something to drink. Instantly on receiving a repulse he struck her companion and knocked her down. The prisoner then aimed a blow at her, which took effect at the aide of the head and raised a swelling there. The prisoner then ran away, but was stopped almost immediately afterwards by a person who had witnessed his conduct. The other young woman who was assaulted was rendered insensible by the blow for a short time. George Phelps, carpenter, 18, Hosken-street, Chel sea, said he saw the prisoner on Sunday night insult women in the street. He saw him kick one young wo man, and then go up to the last two witnesses, one of whom he saw in the act of falling. On hearing a cry for assistance, he ran after the defendant and stopped him. The prisoner struck him a violent blow on the nose. Police-constable Bannister saw the prisoner assault Phelps. The prisoner appeared not to be sober. Tae prisoner gave a general denial to the charge. Mr. iiAßDlrliilL said the prisoner's conduot .va: atro cious. Thu prisoner had as it were run a muck through the public streets assaulting respectable women, and the only way be could me , t such a case was by iofinging th.- !waviest penalty the law gave him pow..r to Intitet. The prisonrr was lined 51. for the first asysult, or two montos'; 21. for the second assault, or one month's; and 21. for the third assault, or one month's; together 91., or four months' imprisonment. LAMBETH. Sergeant George gainnear, an active officer belonging to the P division of police, accompanied by Mrs. E. 1211- beth Fauceit, the wile of a mecnauic, residing at No. 16, Alfred-place, Old Kent-road, attended before the lion. G. C. Norton, and made the following very singular statement : Sergeant Quinnear said that at the beginning of last month a painter, named Simon Richard Gouch, was em ployed at the mansion of Baron de Goldsmid, on Somer hill, Tunbridge, and having represented himself as a single man, had offered marriage to Ann Bailey, a house maid in the establishment of the Baron. The young woman having no reason to doubt his professions, and believing also that he was a single man, consented to become his wife; and having given notice of her inten tion, left her service on the 6th of June for London, taking with her her boxes, &c,, and being accompanied by Gouch. On the 6th or lOttx of June, the father of the young woman Bailey, and the father also of Mrs. Faucett, then present, received, at his residence at Newcastle-on-Tyne, a letter from Gouch, in which he stated that he had married his daughter, and that they were living very happily at No. 33, William-street, Hampstead-road. This letter Bailey forwarded to the wife of Gouch, who was then living in Walwortb, and also on receipt of it, at once proceeded to 33, William street, Hampstead-road, and having ascertained that a person answering the description of her husband and a young woman who represented herself to be his wife, were lodging there, she rushed into the apartment while the parties were at breakfast. Some high words were heard to pass between the parties, and immediately after Gouch came down stairs and informed the land lady that in consequence of the unexpected death of an uncle he must leave the house at once, and having paid the rent due, he, accompanied by the two women, went away, taking with them a number of boxes and other articles they brought there. From inquiries made by him (Quinnear) he had ascertained that on the same day Mrs. Goucb returned to her lodgings in Ann's terrace, Walworth, with a woman who answered the description of Ann Bailey, and at once sent for Mr. Dick, a broker, to whom she sold the whole of her goods, with the exception of ono bed and a few paint ings. These latter articles she had carried into the Walworth-road, and stopping a eab had them placed on the top of the vehicle. She then got into the vehicle with the young woman, and from that moment all trace was lost of them, as well as Gouch himself. Finding that Gouch's father, who is a Baptist minister, resided but a short distance from Norwich, that Gouch himself had served his apprenticeship in that city, and that Mrs. Gouch was also a native of that place, he (Quinnear) had made inquiries at the Eastern Counties Railway, with the view of ascertaining if such persons had pro ceeded to Norwich about that time, but so great had been the traffic, occasioned by the Exhibition, that ho could get no trace of them beyond the fact that on the day in question 3s. 6d. had been received for luggage to Norwich, and this would be about the amount that would be paid for the conveyance. One of the porters also informed him that he had observed a large deal box painted red, amongst the Norwich luggage, and the young woman, Bailey, had a precisely similar box, painted red. Quinnear added, that in consequence of the strongly -exprersed opinion of Mrs. Faucett that the mutilated remains of a female body found in the vicinity of Norwich were tho,e of her sister Ann, Mr. Robins on , the superintendent of the P division, had corresponded with Mr. P. M. Yarrington, the commissioner of poli c e at Norwich, the result of which was that though the most diligent search had been made for Gouch, his wife, and the young woman Bailey, nut the slightest traces of them could be discovered. An application was wade to Mr. Gooch, who is represented to be a highly respect able man, and he declared that the last time he beard of his son was in April last, and that he had not seen him a long time before nor since. With respect to the parts of the human body found belonging to a person supposed to have been murdered, and to be that of a female between the ages of 16 and 26, it was perfectly impos sible to identify them. Me. NORTON remarked that there was one part of the statement which he could not understand, and that was how the father of the young woman came to know that Gouch was a married man, and where to send his letter to his wife? Mrs. Faucett replied, that on discovering that her sister had left her situation, she and her husband had caused inquiry to be made about Gouch, the person she came away with, and the result was that they discovered him to bo a married man, and that his wife resided at No. 3, Ann's-terrace, Walworth. This circumstance she at once communicated to her father, and the latter lost no time in forwarding to his wife the letter of her husband. Mr. NORTON said that this was a satisfactory explana tion of that part of the case, and asked Mrs. Faucett what her reasons were for thinking that the portions of body found at Norwich were those of her sister. Mrs. Faucett replied that the instant she read the ac count in the newspers of the finding of portions of the body a . 4 cold thril l passed through her, and she then and still felt conscious that they belonged to the mur dered remains of her sister. Besides, all the members of her family were seised with a similar feeling, and were equally confident with herself that her unfortunate sister bad met with au untimely end, and that her body had America (by Brit. pkt.) N July 16 America (by U.S. pkt.) N July 21 .. • • America (by U.S. pkt.) M July 30 .. Africa (West coast).. N 14th of the month Alexandria* ........ N 19th & 30th of mo., Belgium .. N Daily • • .. Brazil . M 9th of the month Beenos Ayres M 9th of the month California( via Chagrin) M 2d & 17th of month Cape of Good [lope N 14th of month 11 Cenatantlnople• N 7th 17th 27th of mo Central America .. M2d & 17th of mon. Channel Isles N Mon., Wed., & Fri. Chili . M 17th of the month France .. &N Twice daily .. 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London .. Southampt. iliolyhead •. Southampt. ,Dover •• IBouthampt. Dover .. Southampt. Southampt. Dover 'Dover ~ Dover .. ,Southampt. liouthamot. ,Dover iSoutkanapt. July 27 July 30 July 24 Aug. 3 July 38 Dully . _ _ Aug. 12 Aug. 12 Aug. 5 Aug. 3 July 20 Aug. 5 Tn. Tk.S a Aug 5 Twicsdall; July 30 Tues. Sat hisa.Thr • Aug. 5 Twln•klafly Aug. 23 At% 1 Aeg. 93 N ut . 1 1 ug. Aug. 12 July 211 July 21 ,July 22 !July 26 lAug. 5 !July 22 !Aug. 20 1 8outhainpt. /Aug. 5 Led (*) are convene! by La, •ia the United States lean packet. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. ROUSE. OF COMMONS, July 21. The SrEAKER took the Chair at Five Minutes to Four o'clock. NEW MEMBER. Mr. 'ThomAs COLLINS took the oaths and his seat for Knaresborough, in the room of Mr. Lascelles, deceased. The lion. Member was introduced by Mr. B. Denison and Mr. Walpole. PRIVATE BUSINESS. The Lords' amendments to the Great Northern Rail way (No. 2) Bill were considered and agreed to. The Hove Improvement Bill was read a third time and passed. METROPOLITAN WATER SUPPLY. Sir DE LACY EVANS moved that it be an instruc tion to the Committee on the Metropolis Water Supply Bill to take evidence, and to hear counsel upon the nature of the proposed undertaking for furnishing a supply of pare spring water by the London (Watford) Spring Water Company, the plans and estimates of which were by an order of the House, on the 17th day of June last, referred to the said Committee, and to re port thereupon to the House. Sir J. GRAHAM said the Committee had already decided that the parties had no locus slandi before the I )ommittee. Sir DE LACY EVANS said they did not contend that they had. The motion was negatived without a division. PETITIONS. Mr. BROWN presented a petition from the solicitors of Liverpool against the certificate duty. Mr. DUNCAN presented a petition from a place in Scotland against the Public-houses (Scotland) Bill. Mr. REYNOLDS presented a petition from Knights bridge in favour of the continuance of the Crystal Palace. _ _ Sir G. STRICKLAND presented a petition from the solicitors of Preston against the certificate duty. Mr. B. OSBORNE presented a petition from the in habitant& residing in the neighbourhood of the Crystal Palace, against its continuance; also a petition from Brompton in favour of its continuance. Mr. NEWDEGATE presented a petition from a place in Wa r wickshire against the Registration of Assurances Bill. . _ _ Mr. FITZROY presented a petition in favour of the continuancr. of the Crystal Palace. Mr. MOORE presented a petition from the millers of Baliindsloe, complaining ut the tree importation of foreign flour. Mr. HERRIES presented a petition from the ship owners of Exeter, complaining of the repeal of the navigation laws. Mr. S. ADAIR presented a petition from Paisley against the removal of the Crystal Palace. Mr. M. GIBSON presnred a petition from the Cham ber of Comme-rce of Manchester, praying for the post ponement of the R-gistration of Assurances Bill; also a petition from Manchester praying tur the continuance of the Crystal Pilsce. Mr. Mb WATT presented a petition from Falmouth to the same effect. ME I'ROPOLITA N SEWERS. Mr. FITZROY wished to know what were the inten tions of Government with regard to the Metropolitan Sewers Commission. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said the Chancellor of the Exchequer would, to-morrow, move for leave to bring in a Bill on the subject. REGISTRATION OF ASSURANCES BILL. Mr. DISRAELI said an important Bill was expected to come on this evening, which stood second on the paper, but looking at the question that stood before it, there was little hope of its being brought on. Now would it not be better considering the advanced state of the sess i o n, and the opposition the Bill was likely to en counter, to refer it to a Select Committee? Lord J. RUSSELL did not think so, but he trusted his Right Hon. Friend the Master of the Rolls would be able to proceed with the second reading this evening. NEW BARRACKS IN BIRDCAGE-WALK. Sir DE LACY EVANS asked the Chancellor of the E xc h e quer whether it was intended to construct addi tional barrack accommodation for another battalion of Guards adjoining the Birdcage-walk, St. James's-park. If so , whether it was proposed to construct the required addition on both sides of the present barrack, or entirely in the direction of James-street, Pimlico? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, who was scarcely audible in consequence of the noise in the House, was understood to say that it had been the inten tion of the Government to erect new barracks in Bird cage-walk, but that that intention had been abandoned. been cut up and distributed about to prevent recognition. She added that Gouch was a profligate bad fellow, and that her sister was not the first by many whom he had seduced. Mr. NORTON admitted that the case was one of strong suspicion, and he knew of no better way of bringing to light, in the event of its having been committed, the serious offence alluded to, than the publication of the statement made by the officer, and a description of the missing parties; and from the willingness which he (Mr. Norton) had always seen evinced on the part of the public press to afford the most ample assistance to pro mote the ends of public justice, he had no doubt that that assistance would be accorded on the present oc casion. Gouch is described as about 30 years of age, pf tall and genteel appearance, dark hair, with a spot of white or grey hair at top, no whiskers, and rather well dressed. Mrs. Gouch is 35 years of age, light hair and complexion, and rather short and slim; and Ann Bailey is described as 26 years of age, tall, stout, and stands erect, is good-looking, with a prominence in front of her throat, dark hair, and hazel eyes, and has lost several teeth from the front part of the upper jaw. SEABORNE MAILS. [N signifies that the mails are sent front the General Poitt-ono* by the night—and M by the morning—dispatch.) When made up in PLACES. ,General Port-office London. From what port dia. patched. MARGATE AND - RAMSGATE HARBOURS. Mr: MOFFATfaekedChefir;tEorioi the Admi ralty why the report of the Select Committee appointed to investigate the revenue, condition, and expenditure of Ramsgate and Margate Harbours, which recommended that all dues and tolls now exacted from vessels not ac tually entering Ramsgate Harbour should wholly cease and determine, had not been carried into effect; and whether it was the intention of her Majesty's Ministers to introduce a Bill to carry out the recommendations of the Select Committee? ... _ . Sir F. BARING, who from the noise prevailing was indistinctly heard, was understood to reply that he had consulted the law officers in regard to the recommenda tions contained in the report of the Committee, and that be found that those recommendations could not be legally carried into effect. ALDERMAN SAL O MONS' RENEWED ATTEMPT TO TAKE HIS SEAT. The SPEAKER stated that he had received a letter from David Salomons, Esq., relative to the entry of the proceed ings of the House on Friday last in his case, which he read. as follows: "Great Cumberland-place, July 21st, 1851. " Sir,--I take the liberty to call your attention to a very important omission in the record of the proceedings of the House of Commons on Friday last, of all notice of my de mand to subscribe the oath of abjuration, and to declare to my property qualification. " Immediately after I had taken the oaths I read front a paper which I held in my band the following words, 4 I have now taken the oaths, in the form and with the ceremonies that I declare to be binding on my conscience, in accord ance with the stat. 1 and 2 Vict. sap. 105, I now demand to subsaribe the oath of abjuration, and to declare my property qualification.' "No notice has been taken, in the proceedings above re ferred to, of my having made this demand. You will there fore, I am sure, Sir, pardon me fur drawing your attention to the subject, and respectfully requesting that the minutes of the proceedings of Friday last be amended. With the ut most respect, 1 have the honour to be, Sir, your most obedient and humble servant, " DAVID SALOMON& To the Right Honourable the Speaker." Whereupon the Speaker explained that the entry in the votes had been carefully considered; that the declare.' tion of Mr. Alderman Salomons was made after he had been desired to withdraw, and therefore could not be noticed as a proceeding of the House. Most of that which the Hon. Member for Greenwich said was per fectly inaudible in this immediate part of the House; but it appeared distinctly to me that after the Hon. Gentleman had omitted the words " on the true faith of a Christian," and, the clerk at the table having reported that omission to me, I had ordered the Hon. Gentleman to withdraw, it was the Hon. Gentleman's duty there upon to withdraw—(Hear, hear)—and, not having so withdrawn, any statement subsequently made in the House by the Hon. Gentleman was not before the House, and had no claim to be placed on the records of the House. Sir B. HALL then rose, and addressing the Speaker said—Sir, it may be convenient to put the question which my Right Honourable Friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer,: on Friday evening, musts(' might be repeated this evening when the Noble Lord at the head of the Government was present. It would be in the recollection of the House that before the Hon. Gentleman the Member for Greenwich with drew he occupied a seat where his Honourable Friend the Member for Southwark (Sir W. Moles worth) now sat [the front row below the gang way on the Ministerial side of the House], and that you repeated your desire that the Hon. Gentleman should withdraw below the bar of the House. It will also be in the recollection of the House that after the Hon. Gentle man had so withdrawn I stated to the House that it was the anxious desire of the Hon. Gentleman to take such steps as might be necessary for carrying out not only the wishes of his constituents, but also to take such steps as might enable him to take his seat i❑ this as sembly, and that the Hon. Gentleman did not desire to take any course which might be displeasing or inconvenient to the House, but that he was resolved, so far as lay in his power, to take his seat as a Member of the Legislature. I then asked my Right Hon. Friend whether, as the Hon. Gentleman had certainly taken a seat within the bar of the House—whether, under such circum stances, if the Government may determine or may think he became amenable to the law, they intend to instruct the Attorney-General to prosecute, in order that this question may be fairly brought to an issue; and I intimated that if he did not think he had become amenable to the law, or that a prosecution would fairly lay, that the Honourable Gentleman would take the still further step of ♦oting as a Member of the House, and thereby render himself per fectly amenable to any penalties which the statute directed. The question, therefore, which I put to the Noble Lord at the head of the Government is, whether he intends, or is prepared to authorise the prosecu tion, at the instance of the Attorney General, against the Hon. Member for Greenwich? Lord JOHN RUSSELL—I think the Hon. Baronet is hardly justified is asking me what the Government in tend, or what they do not intend to do upon the question of prosecuting a Member of this H use for taking his seat without taking the oaths. lam ready to say, however, reserving to the Government the liberty of future action, that at present we are not disposed to think that we ought to prosecute Mr. Alderman Salomons for so doing. Sir B. LI A LL.—I wish now to state the course which I think the Hun. Member for Greenwich ought to pur sue. We are all agreed I think, that so far as the Ron. Gentleman has at present acted, he has ac ed with perfect fairness towards her Majesty's Go• vernment.—(Hear, hear.) He has not condescended to any subterfuge whatever, and in consequence of the answer which the Noble Lord has given to my question, I think the only course which the Hon. Member for Greenwich can pursue is to come within the bar of the House to take his seat in this House at once.—(ll,ar.) Mr. Alderman SALOMONS then de,cendcd from the seat which he had occupied in the trout row of the Peers' gallery, and advancing up the floor of the House, took his seat on the front bench below the gangway on the Ministerial side of the House. This proceeding of his was saluted with loud cheers from his supporters, accompanied by demon strations of a contrary nature from his opponents, and at the moment he took the seat the uproar was so great that it was with difficulty that we could hear The SPEAKER, who said, I wish to call the atten tion of the House to the feet that there is present now a Member who has not taken the oath of abjura tion. I must, therefore, repeat my former request, and desire him at once to withdraw. This was followed by loud cries of " Withdraw " from the Opposition side of the House, accom panied by cheers from the immediate supporters of the Honourable Alderman. In the midst of the uproar Lord John Russell rose and attempted to address the Speaker, but hie voice was inaudible, and at the same time Mr. Bernal Osberne rushed forward from the lower end of the House, forcing his way with difficulty through the excited Members who crowded the upper row of benches, bearing a paper in his hand, which he handed to the Speaker, without at tempting to read it, amidst the noise and turmoil. The SPEAKER here said—A motion has been handed to me, but as the question before the House is a question of order it takes precedence of all others.—(Cheers.) Lord J. RUSSELL again rose, but was not able to address the Speaker, owing to the continued tumult which reigned, of which cries of " Withdraw," "Chair," " Order." were the most prominent features. During the whole of this scene Alderman Salomons continued to retain the seat in the body of the House which he had originally occupied, next to Sir W. Molesworth, undis turbed by the cries with which he was assailed. The SPEAKER then said—lf the Hon. Member per sists in refusing to obey my order to withdraw, I must appeal to the House to support me. That order can only be enforced by a vote of the House.—(Cheers, and cries of" Withdraw.") Lord J. RUSSELL then rose. He said—lt seems to me perfectly clear, and it is a matter which I shall not waste any time in discussing, that the House ought to support the Speaker.—(Loud cheers.) I do not believe that the Speaker has authority to enforce his order without a regular vote of the House, and I therefore now move that Mr. Alderman Salomon& be ordered to withdraw.—(Cheers.) Mr. B. OSBORNE—I rise to move an amendment, the purport of which I have already placed is your hands. I beg you. Sir, to read that amendment. Mr. C. ANSTEY seconded the amendment. The SPEAKER then, amid loud cries, put both the original motion for the withdrawal of Mr. Alderman Salomons, and the amendment, which was, that Mr. Alderman Salmons having been duly returned for the borough of Gretnwicb, and having taken the usual ea , hs—(N;), no)—in the manner most binding on his conscience —(No, no)—is entitled to take his seat in this Howe. The reading of the amendment was followed by a re petition of uproar, which had ceased only when the Speaker had commenced. Loud cries of Ditide, di• vide" nsw follow. d; in the midst of which Mr. Aust.-) rose, and was saluted with groans and cries of " Oh, oh." Mr. ANS TEY wished to give the Hil-0 an opportu. nity of answering the ease which he was about to put to them.—(oh, oh.) It was said that Alderman Salo mons had not taken the oaths prescribed by law; but he insisted that he had, for the oath of abjuration, which it was alleged the Hon. M. tuber had not completed, was not prescribed by law. The Hon. and Learned Member was contieuing his address, hut the uproar was so great that it was impossible to hear what he said. At length, however, he abruptly resumed his seat, movi ng th e ad journment of the debate. The galleries were accordingly cleared, and the House divided, when there appeared— For the adjournment ... ... 65 Against it ... ... 257 Majority against it On our return to the gallery we found Alderman Salmons still in his seat, and Mr. M. GIBSON on his legs asking a question. He said he understood the Speaker to say on Friday last that the Hon. Member for Greenwich must withdraw because he had not taken the oath in the sense in which the House understood the Act. Now, he wished to ask the Speaker whether he could refer hi m t o any m i nute of the i r procee di ngs , i n which would appear the sense in which the House un derstood the Act. He wished to proceed upon as much information as possible, and he should therefore be glad to know in what form, during the present session of Parliament, the sense of the House had been taken as to Its understanding the Act.—(Hear, hear.) The SPEAKER said he made no references whatever to any decision of the House during the present session. He referred to a decision come to by the House last session under precisely similar circumstances. The Baron Lionel de Rothschild was returned for the City of London, and took the oaths in precisely the same way that they have been taken by Mr. David Salomons. Th e H ouse , upon b e i ng made aware of the omisson from the oath, came to the resolution that the Baron Lionel de Rothschild was not entitled to sit, he not having taken the oath of abjuration required by law.—(Cheers.) Mr. M. GIBSON said he was not present then, and therefore. h e was not aware o f t h at proceeding.—(oh.) He matted to ask the Speaker whether the resolution of last session, re l a ti ng t o another person, was binding upon them now?—(Hear, hear.) He also wished to ask whether the words of the resolu tion pointed out the form of taking the oaths as re quired by law, so as to point to the conclusion that the form in which Alderman Salomons proposed to take them was not the form required by law.—(Hear, hear.) Lord J. RUSSELL rose to order. It was not com petent for a Member to draw the Speaker into a debate Lpon what the House had already done.—(bear.) He fo u nd by the minutes of their proceedings, that there was a resolution come to last year . that the " 44ron Li one l d e R othsch i ld i s no t entitled to vote in this House or to sit in the House during any debate until he has taken the oath of abjuration in the form ap pothted by law." Now the Speaker went upon the au thority of that resolution, and he (Lord John Russet° believed the Speaker had a perfect right to do so. Mr. MILNER GIBSON a pologised to the Speaker for having troubl e d hi m a second time with the question, but he leas not in the House towards the close of last session, and was, therefore, not fully aware of what then passed.— , (Ohl oh 0 Mr. ANIS FEY then p ro ceeded to spoke ;to address the? but he House, and was loceived with cries of "S informed Hon, Mess' er s who were in errupiing him that he had not y et s p ken to the original question, and he was allowed to proceed. The question odor's them, 1 as raised by the Hon. Member for Manchester, related to Alderman Salomons, and not to Baron Roth sc hild . No decision had yet been come to in the Alderman's ease. The House would remember that last year the result of a similar inquiry to this was a resolution, pl e d g ing itself to take the matter into its serious consi deration in the then next cession o f P arliament, but up to this very hour that pledge remained unfulfilled. Only took at the inconsistency they were falling into. They acknowledged Baron Rothschild and Alderman Salonsons to be the sitting Members for Lon don and Gre , !I:lynch, and y e t t h ey re f used to l et t h em sit.—(Hear, hear.) The oaths had been taken by the Honoura ble Member for Greenwich in the form prescribed . by the l a t an d 2 d Victoria. The wor d s which he had (mate d were not required to be taken by l aw.— (Hear, hear.) The A c t of Parliament to which he re ferred was a declaratory Act, and it prov id e d that in all cases where be administ, ,satha wer e required to be ta k e n they should bred in the for m which the party taking them declared to be most binding hear.) It on his conscience .—( Haar, was with the authority of that Act that Alderman, faith Salomons omitted the words "on t h e true a Christian ;" and he co ntended th at the law fully entitled him to do so.—(Hear, hear.) He mask lered not that the Hon. Member had not sworn accordini ; to the Act of Parliament, but that he had sworn ti )0 much.—(Laughter.) Since the death of George lIL the oath of abjuration had ceased to be a 'lawful oath. It died With tho dynasty by which it was ' enacted, and ought not to be imposed now. Before the death of George 111. the line of the Stuarts was still in existence, and therefore at that time the oath had its appropriate mean ing. The oath originated in the reign of William 111., and it was intended to quench for ever the claims which, on the death of James 11. abroad, descended on his son. After the abdication of James IL, and during the remainder of his lifetime, the oath of abjuration was not so much as thought of ; it was therefore not directed against James 11., but against his descendants, and as often as the claim descended from father to son, there was a reason for maintaining the oath. Now, however, all claims of the descendants of James 11. were extinguished by death—the last sur vivor of the Stuart line having died—and consequently there were no grounds far administering such an oath as the oath of abjuration. He contended that the liberties of the people of the country were older than thirty years, which time had been alleged by the Noble Lord (Lord J. Russell) as sufficient for a precedent, and he consequently gave it as his opinion that his Hon. Friend Alderman Salomons should be allowed the privilege of taking the oath according to his conscience. Again, in case his Hon. Friend the Member for Greenwich acted in such a manner as to incur a penalty, it was not for the House of Commons to decide, but it should be left to the judgment of the courts of common law. He then argued that it was unjust and unfair for that House to take upon it rights and privileges which solely belonged to those courts of justice. He strongly reprobated the prece dent that the Noble Lord (Lord John Russell) wished to lay down by his opposition to his Hon. Friend's taking the oaths according to his conscience, and also his seat for the borough of Greenwich. He should at the same time say that he felt fully convinced that the courts of law would have no effect in the present case; because freedom of speech and of debate which were enjoyed by the Members of that House within it, could not be in any way impeached in a court of law. However, the case of his Honourable Friend ( Mr. Alderman Salmons ) was one which, if not rectified by a requisition of the House, he would at least wish that any opinion should be suspended till the decision of a court of law was known. He could quote several eminent authorities in sustentation of the case of all freedom and privtlege being allowed to the Jews as well as to Roman Catholics, but would confine himself to one great authority. Blaekstone decided that Jews and monks have an equal right to hold land, and he was prepared to prove that the Jews bought and sold, received and gave land, from the time of Edward 111., thus showing that under the feudal system the Jews enjoyed the same rights and pri vileges as any other sect of subjects. He would also refer to the large subsidy that had been given to Henry 111. by the community of the Jews, who were then privileged to sit with the nobles and the clergy, and also to exercise similar p-ivi leges. Again, by the 13th William 111., Roman Catholics were not precluded from sitting in Parliament, because the oath to be taken was not adverse o their consciences no more than the Jews; and he should here remark. that the abjuration oath was never frame against the Jewish per suasion. It was intended to bi; d the subjects of this realm to an allegiance to the Crown, in opposition to the exiled family of the Stuarts; and, so far did his Hon. Friend bind himself, for he took not only the oath of allegiance, but he also swore that her Majoity the Queen was tae highest eccle siastical authority in this realm. These oaths were, in his opi nion, legal oat hs, and beyond them he could not conscientiously go; and he thought a high minded man such as he merited the esteem of society in general. He should next refer to another place where the decision of this House had been re cently frustrated; and he asked, was it net the duty of the House of Commons to preserve its rights and privileges, and not to be overpowered by that other place ?—(Laughter, and cries of " Divide, divide.") He should next refer to the case of Mr. Pease, who took his seat in the House without hav ing taken any of the three oaths, while his Hon. Friend took two of them, and the third he refused, because it was not consistent with his conscience —kHear, hear.) He con sidered that it was the duty of the House of Commons to frame an oath to suit the consciences of all recta, such as is done in the law courts. The Quaker is not asked to swear —the Jew is not asked to swear on " the true faith of a Christian." In fact, the oath should be administered in that House as in the courts of law. He then referred to Lord Brougham, who, in the case of a Mahommedan or Chinese witness, adopted the oath most binding on the consciences of each. He therefore contended that the Hon. Member for Greenwich having taken the oath in the form which he con sidered binding on his conscience, was entitled to retain his seat as a Member of that House. There being now loud calls for a division, strangers were ordered to withdraw; but in a few minutes the gallery was again opened, no division having taken place. On our re turn to the gallery, Mr. OSBORNE was claiming his right to reply, on the ground that he had moved the substantive motion, although by mistake the Speaker had put it as an amendment. This gave rise to loud cries of" Order, order," and "Chair, chair," and resulted in The SPEAKER stating that the motion before the House was made by the Noble Lord at the head of the Govern ment. To that motion the Hon. Member for Middlesex (Mr. Osborne) had moved an amendment, and upon that amendment, according to the forms of the House, he had no right to reply.—(Cheers.) Mr. HOBHOUSE said he was given to understand that no motion was made previous to the Hon. Member fur Mid dlesex moving his amendment, and that being the case, that Hon. Member had a full right to reply.--(Loud cries of 1" Order, order.") The SPEAKER The Hon. Member is wrong in supposing that no motion was made. The Noble Lord the Member ter the city of London made the motion now before the House, and it was to that motion that the Hon. Member for Mid dlesex moved his amendment--(Cheers.) Mr. HOBHOUSE said the judgment of' the Chair being indisputable in that House, he would at once bow to it. He believed, however, that he was entitled to address the House, and he would shortly state his reasons why the Hon. Member who had just taken his seat for Greenwich should not with draw. On a former occasion he had heard the present Solicitor-General express himself with the greatest zeal in favour of the principle which those who thought with him now sought to establish, in so far as the admission of Jews into Parliament was concerned; and he now hoped that be fore the Rause divided on the question now before it, some of those Honourable and Learned Gentlemen who occupied seats on the Treasury Beach would state their opinions upon the subject.—(Cheers.) His own opinion was, that the Honourable Member who had lust been elected for Green wich was entitled to his seat; and as to the penalties he might incur by taking it, that ought to be put off for after consideration. There could be no doubt that seYeral minors had occupied seats in that House; and th-t was just as much, and a great deal more so, against the law Van was the admission of Jews into that House In the time of Chaves the Second several tninors had seats in the House of Commons; and later than that, Charles James Fox was elected a memb er o f th at H ouse w hi le he was a minor. But besides that it had already been decided in the case of the sheriffs, that the House h al no power to inflict penalties; and that being the case, he did not see why they should not allow the Hon Member for Greenwich to take his seat. The electors of every borough and county in the country had a right to return any person to Parliament whom they pleased, and the electors of Greenwich havin.-; returned the Hon. Member whose case was now under consideration, he con sidered that that Hon. Gentleman had as much right to his seat as the Speaker himself had, and he was happy in having an opportunity of supporting his right to it.—(Hear, hear, and cries of "Oh, oh!" and "Question, question.") That was the question. The question before the House was a Jewish question, it was not whether Hon. Members should get to dinner or not.—(Laughter, and cries of " Oh, oh.") The opinion he had come to on that question was, that the Hon. Member had a perfect right to his seat, and he was de termined to support him in maintaining that right. The ATTORNEY -GENERAL said he did not concur in the opinion that any Honourable Member had a right to take his seat in that House without taking the prescribed oaths, and vote, under the threat of being subjected to penal ties. The House, in such a case as the present, had a duty to perform.— ( Hear.) The Act of Parliament appointed cer tain oaths to be taken by Members before they were entitled to take a seat in that House, and nothing could be plainer, that no one without taking these oaths could take their seat in that House. The Act of Parliament was express, that no person should be admitted to sit and vote in that House who had not taken the oath of abjuration, and the question then was, would the H ouse a ll ow an y one t o s it an d vo t e in it who refused to take such oath? In his opinion it was the duty of the House, not only to obey the law, but also to enforce it when it had the power to do so, and the House having last t year, while discussing this same question, decided that was requisite to conform to the forms of the House, with re spect to oaths, before Members took their seats, he saw no reason now to disturb that decision—at the same time he felt bound to say that no one would be more ready . thanhe would be to admit members of the Jewish persuasion into Parliament. He thought it was by mere accident in the wording of the Act that they were ex cluded, but as the law at present stood he would not be doing his duty did he not insist that the oaths which Honourable Members were to take, before being admitted to seats in that House, should in all respects be complied with. —(Hear, hear.) Mr. M. GIBSON considered that the House was placed in considerable difficulty in respect of the difference of opi nion which prevailed amongst the most eminent lawyers in that House upon the subject. One Learned Gentleman, the Attorney-General under a former Government, had told them that swearing on the Old Testament was altogethe r i ll ega l , and that the New Testament was a s ine qua non on taking any oath. The present Attorney-General told them, on the other hand that a party was at. liberty to sw ear upon the Old Testament, provided they did so upon th e true fa i th of a Christian."—(Hear, hear.) While the p resent S o li c i tor - General had, on a former occasion, laid it down that even if a party swore on the Old Testament and omitted the words 4. on the true faith of a Christian," he would be taking a good and valid oath "—(Hear, hear.) Now such being the diver sity of opinion amongst the legal iMembers of the House, he thought they ought to c ons i der well before they came to a decision on the subject. It appeared to him that if they con sidered the words "on the true faith of a Christian" essential, what was the use of allowin g them to be sworn on the Old Testament? When th ere was such diversity of opinion, they should act with great caution before compelling the Hon. Member for ireen wich to withdraw. Without the slightest authority of the wish to shrink front supporting the he must, nevertheless, vote against the motion of the Noble Lord. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said he took upon himself the whole resp ons ibili ty o f a dvising B iron Rothschild, last session, not to t a k e his seat. Ile was far fri rn sayin g that the law was clear upon the point at issue, and his o wn opi nion of wh a t was h e law • emained the same as it was l a st year. The House had, h o wever, come to a different conclu sion in he case of Baron Rothschild, and that decision was, in fact, a judgment in which he did not agree, but which he thought they were bound to recognise and obey. Under these circumstances he thought no course was left him but to support the motion, that Mr. , Allerman Sal omon* be di rected to withdraw. I t was t heir imperative duty to up hold the decision of the House. Not only was there a clause in the Act w hich im p osed penalties, on the conouct the Hon. Gentleman had pursutd, but a not h er Act, i n exp - ess an d man datory terms, directed that no person should sit or vote in that House without taking the oaths prescribed according to law It followed, therefore, as a ma t te r of course, that un til these decisions were reversed, they bad no other course to pursue but to support the Noble Lord's motion. Mr. CLAY thought the question was virtually settled, for they had amongst them, sittiiig and voting with them, one of the most amiable and intelligent of an amiable and in telligent race.—(liear, hear.) The tide of religion never flowed back in this country, and they might rely upon it that those of his (Alderman Salomon's) religion would cer tainly follow through the door he had opened with the loss of a little more or less of dignity on the part of the House, according to the length to which the struggle might be pro tracted.—(Hear, hear.) The majority of that House had over and over again decided on admitting Jews to Par liament, but they were defeated in their intentions by the Lords. The mistake, however, they (die Commons) made, was in consulting any person on the subject but them selves.—(Hear, hear.) 'I hey should have asserted their own right to alter the mode of admission in their own House to suit the consciences of the Jews, just as they had done in the case of the Quaker and the Moravian. It would have been a better course to declare that they had the power and the will to admit the Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Alderman Salomon) to Um rights whioh his constituent* had given him, and which his courage not only &se but would defend. Mr. CHARLES VILLIERS wished to know, if titer% a member of the Stuart family now living, and if thes,, Member for Greenwich were to take his part against ; reigning family, whether the law officers of the Crown or would not thinit him, after the oath he had now at Of st`;y amenable to an indictment for perjury ? Th whole question, and he wished to have an answet44 from the Learned Attorney or Solicitor-General. He test that a mistake as to the decision which the Right flon.o°., tleman (the Speaker) had given. The Speaker had nol' l terpreted the law. He merely stated to the Houses: was his duty, the resolution adopted in Baron Rothsas case last session by the House. That resolutioa (Mr. Villiers), however, contend ed left the and tn . cided. It as notsatisfactory in its results, and it se . , to him that w they might satisfact rescind it. The oath o f abjua in all its essentials, he contended bad been taken by te e Member for Greenwich, and that having they had no right to persevere further in endeavour! keep Mr. Alderman Salomons, because of his Jewish )o' 4 . sion, out of the House If they persisted in continueid bition of hate and hostility to those whom theY had cuted, they would have cast upon them all the scorn 313 tempt they deserved.—(Cheers.) hie been doe 01', Lord JOHN RUSSELL said, he did not think Friend the Member for Wolverhampton had atteliqeeeZ, question before the House. The Honourable :51,11,4 Greenwich having appeared at the table. and ae much of the oath of abjuration as bad been takeilii Rothschild, the question was asked him (Lord Jo„.iirai4; whether it would be right to prosecute Eder the tbe ° A ct Member for the penalties he had incurred under t ; Parliament. His reply was, that he thought n or ° ds t e was abut to move a resolution in the same w which had been adopted in the case of Barton irie be e in order that the whole question woufd rceeeerotb, the House, and that they might either confirm eir „t ' reet e decision of last ear;y but before be could move tr (1 ,0 thus the Hon. Baronet the Member for Maryleboornee toe that the Hon. Member for Greenwich should ca , e gi e ei „ House, take his seat, and vote. The Right linnexus hied , it I' , ne , the Speaker, as he had done last year, and as to do, asked the Hon. Member to withdra%ushseie Member did not comply, and he (Lord Joliti e t ' . , R ight 11 , :: teen cempelled to ask the House to support t',',." - t he silo:, Gentleman, by agreeing to the resolution tna,imp), it; withdraw. The question before the House ther or not the House, having adopted a re: la: e t e i°n -c IA P that Baron Rothschild should withdraw, bectilawu;the t r taking the oath of abjuration according t e °,, ta ee Member for Greenwich should come there an t Lase in Ile and vote. Considering the decision of the ads on I f Rothschild's case, ar.d looking at asetogiiroiton mroOrvw he was ordered to withdraw, it did see m t e urnsJ thing. while thst resolution'remained on the t abo o bef o i Heuee that the Hon. Member for Greenwich.e,et t eose 4 , mitted to retain his seat. It did eeall ap pear coo tree o , maintained that that decision was errooeoanaraenseciouutrisltaefrtoS law, might say "let respect be shown to House." He thought that there was no other memeeol, House now to take than to decide that tbe t oy . Opt Greenwich should withdraw. (Hear.) W ls oe sttet ft e proceed to do atter that decision was another lion. Member had placed himself in a different P o u t , ta lsisg e s that taken by Baron Rothschild, in consequencebat seat and voting. It was a grave question n e toa , 1 1 0 they should make between his case and t h s t o of child.—(Hear.) Those who were for the ad% t the into Parliament were not bound to du s nub o eT w itil ,. ° ) He some declaratory Act for the purpose.—(Klel/..(flesteloo that the state of the law was most defective. e ords - found that, in the case of the Quake r, toe d seeeta.stl4 true faith of a Christian" were omitt ed, sou O f to make his " affirma ion ;" but in t he case ,estaeceL oath was required to be taken mor e in 5 ,1 u Teo form, and as the oath now stood, sho uld the the ° ' I S would subject him to pains and enalt ies tc %ef e sion of perjury.—(Hear.) It was p said that„ t i o gei o es ceptions to the administration of the law , t eat from the general rule, and it was urge". 4 .' t ess le a se should merely be administered in form, as l ' oe sts of law. He must say that nothing could be „ 0 0? ° $ tent in the proceedings of the House than teratloa";sese, books a law, such as that now undcr cons r e e e ' c e s°:ees,' which called on the Jew to violate his tha tconsc ' ls" the true faith of a Christian ;" but until ejo u IJ tered, he believed that the House of Csot a°l° tee l e nt", ready to set an example of obedience t° . ole te e ` elf that no consideration would induce the m to vi, ic h tb up against it.--( Hear, and cheers, amidst If" . ` t r Lord resumed. his seat.)v a s es aite t Mr. BETHELL could not give a silent • pc - ject. He was very sorry that he could not e eei tt l e ees Noble Lord in all that he had expressed , an d Vat• it could induce the Noble Lord to agree Wither s) dissent from the opinions given by S eV , t bf Learned Members on this question, and inn," tee op ess" oath of abjuration had beeti well and lega"Y“, e s s ° :sef e r lion. Member for Greenwich, and that be 4 :;j e e te"„ tially the Member for that borough, and en` o "" e asbetd s ' a et: hat House.—(Hear, and cheers.) The Hon' 7t - Ake ri 't r sented himself at the table of the House, An' " (1 - 1 0 1 ;it:; in the manner most binding on his conscience"; etieto, —and that was the true sense in which the 5 °lola 13 ,, administered to him.—(Hear, hear.) The l ,esh . a form of law contradictory to the spirit w"100 1 00 1 binding on the conscience of the person t° 44 'ooase.i* dered an oath. - (Hear.) lie could show the ilte r n oath of abjuration had been from time to "ealls-ege tute, according to the circumstences which ite e th he sr 4 , alteration. The 10th of George 1., which recteet George 1., cap. 4, bad the es press provisioa, „ e t b e l e ", any member of the Jewish religion should Pre:ealcl'd take the said oath of abjuration, the ea tl) , P ess' c lo ' is ° nistered to him in the form most binding 'a e , s ees and in the manner in which he was sw ° ; of py rli law.—(Hear, hear.) Now that was the 10tret and the preamble of that Act laid down , i t i te - s would be ready to come to the aid of the ', l ' tee ' 4 , - er, tens routing to their right of citizenship , al l ,",eee unfairly down that no course should be it 'l r,), o r y against the Jews as citizens.- - l ei' lte'irl t i George the Third did not make a new o eth , ow° o 4 j r that the oath of abjuration should be taltell„ i'l leieek , manner most binding on the conscience of of e,";esele' tided an indemnity to secure to him the rigiT t eist w eti4 , It appeared to him that several Acts vide' - A 6" f t for the Jew, and that being the statepro t,""preees.ttileoe impress upon the House that they could n c 'l "on the true faith of a Christian" on the "" e e •08 ,/ inconsistency; and that, should they rseT er • lel' a Pe, he vi°,„stise the Jew so to take the oath, they would see o f science, and acting in opposition to the spiri t 'h e 07? There were many instances of alterations in tee 04i law; and, in point of fact, there was not therseeft, any court of law, or part of the kiugelorot di e t it liberty to administer the oath to the Je v i r olie; nor in which he desired to take it, as mos t m eet L td conscience, handing to him the Old T,e at m a m .- to swear. And here, in the House of (0 hied tiered to him the Old Testament, as inti',"„e h i ", e st ° s; conscience, and as the form which they Iv' s— t - Dit eao ie • g ti t by, and yet it was proposed to him at the e aetifl an oath which he could not take without vi'" it re" t esis science. If the House would be consistent' it "P o p Miner the oath to the Jew presenting bin ot os e in the manner and form in which it was infr u h l e n eie st eei t e i in courts of law, and under the sanction of t'" e tere e , ri d judges; and in that spirit he considered theY ifee;t e b: e ' should be bound by refence, in relation to r ese er; tecedents; and with reference to any foi l:a :: ti ° ,, t a , ,l t il; theirs in relation to any other party, there "*-5 sidered, anything to band them with respect t, ° o tsb ettl, who had that evening presented himself at tt' o stis ci oed House to take the oaths most binding on b' 3 o Mean ) He would no longer trespass on O rr , to say that he believed the Hon. Member ( 3 . ,` g b oo to be as much a Member of the House, by lavirr4ii did' who at that moment sat within its walls.- (ne e j Sir F. THESIGER—The Hon. and Lea t ti es e , s t'„ seemed to have laid down the principle, that "„et J," not agree with him in his view of the law were:,; informed either in the common or sta ute 10 1 700 ey much as he did not agree with the Hon. and ', t e e 1 $' 1 0 : ' ber, he fell within that description. (Hear He agreed that the House had brou inconaistency, by allowing two out o'L etitiaeT taken by the Honourable Gentleman, lie 4 „ 4 " - t d is g g h t itself in l ' o etb o e . se t t to resist that, feeling that the course was t i n l 'l3a fs e to qualify a man to be a Member of the ti - ` 4 ; -- t se e of take a thecb Christian."--(Hear, t r i e a e n . oaths, ( ll e in a c r l , ud h i. e , i g r. t ) hat i i` is i i PVo3 - o b or t e - a t thatLearnedess ratioth Friend had : t h o eß i t nf aatb P hi t t f:: ., P o it e ri t tl orti ll oove: . •' jew,nwlin e tii eg t is b l e at l u e r g e d h l a y d itself shown that '7 - the y a k b s to the tak a Ch • ristian " urging the et e te i m t. i_ssi ( on of the words " 0 11 the je alloweden that in courts of law ho g , s ,i Hear tak , hear. at report on which his Honourable and Learnstwo o es e wag not in itself quite satisfactory, and O A t Learned Friend must have known that the, c , report referred was but a " temporary" Ac'elersth's(:, said that the Jew might take the oath of atieo ed ting the words " on the true faith of a Clain, - ee ' rs l .sev'i Thesiger) must say that his Honourable sol e s c ° o s i appeared to him not to have read the g - eus e oe (Hear, hear.) The question before the [ - m ei Mr. Alderman Salomons sh nld withdraw r e inPf e e r i :: . He thought the Noble Lord could not adoVeeeseetheos": than he had done. On Friday last the nA t iee w i t h had been ordered to withdraw, ea - se/e ll- 0 t'e presence now within their walls conta°lo s ob i; hear.) It was open to mt,ve that he be 4 ,t a r tody of the Sergeant-at-Arms, but a rilii, e ' a e followed towards him. He had intimate u , - move the seat vacant, and to move for vi e " consideration he had made up his mind to $ 3 0 11° 0 m t Ar ,ion of t e h 6n, e ci o o Lord, th e ) Mr. BETHELL explained. AisOb e f, t. 138 c said he would never -- ev i of the Speaker, but in voting for the rnotereee i : ber fi r Green ids should not withdraw, P e iloo s " e s P` *pact to the Speaker. He would ask th e e It W- es $ 1 ; this could be considered a judicial decisioo 0. fs thing. He thought the Member nor Gree llWl ea ci ,?;o l/1 a Member as any other man in that Hous e 'd cow support him in the mealy and straightfo rwer • taken. of t Sir R. INGLIS rose to support the auth°t,ioo ,be e t in a course which had been adopted last ae i - O t is case, in no way different from this, escePAere' of the inaividual. The Speaker had d e i tbs i A r 4 ' ; Honourable Member should withdraw , a v e, - est be enforced by the Sergeant-at-Arms. ",,e4, Rothschild took an oath, but not the oa t ' s , he would put it to the common sence of viSf l ' l) oVti , could be considered a taking of the oath. l' ac i the tos' imponentis was the thing to be considered! Ise I I to be taken in the plain and grammatical P.- D er 6°: of the oath. ee i s for 40‘. Mr. BRI UT said the Noble Lord sr e ,',," he' m er,e' no question before the House, but that the """ ill a n s 4 " ic e " to r s wich should withdraw, whereas there *v2°,oolllB- 4 : es' which was tantamount to a repeal of ,tie i c e fri el year, and thereby brought the entire ques t ' .6 011 soree tive form befoie the House. The Solicitord refochis, have acted with more consistency, if lie e ,,,• b h 3 5° : , 13) if deii same course in this case as he had taken "' t o t* i'+' h tl e A" nt h to himself last yeer. There e ere two poin ts - w as this question might be regarded. Th e ° :?..:cleA t. 10 4 'e tr of law, and the other the question of Pre the n t 0 , „1 f contradictory views taken of the case 'se a le e Wullict appear they were in the dark. He .r e gee.; e'en thing upon that point. With regard to 4 ,‘;etye s ", the's' cedent, it was said that the resolution oi o°` de sl a precedent for the present occasion. s uifr A ge tiv` one a few years further back, which wa s a i" iallY„et ,f case of Mr. Pease, when the oath was Mal e s , of leti 413`,,q the words omitted upon the authorite shop alone; and if they did that in 1832, will bead f' ) ( 8 have power to do as much now?- (g ea i 'este , referred to the declaration which he 'At vs„ ts,' I of the sect to which he belonged t°, - ti sfs," showed that it was the same as that whAceeabikes Mr. Pease before the law was altered to 4. t he ' o ses member of the Society of Friends, to take e t. t er It . : tbe j t House on taking his seat as the ISleraT e tseee",. ASA' He would ask what was the difference smajoeso,l4'olo of Baron de Rothschild and Alderman OW 01 blr. Pease. He confessed they Were When duo.