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the ii ri e tion 0, dici o u s ither to .11 fr° s ,. ' tninan: h went, luna tic' L ose 111 ,; lare - • - • di m •tigb • lass i ed It instita" vvoif ,ty t ha of thel Fore P. duct 13 s lo st lesti tir of ;owe ed 111° ci „ atta f a nce ° odetati3 e ove fi 3ach F eldeT, th th t' l6ieY to nala d P w bel' ch the .ess oll . ; f ri e u!!): tuna" tfity It not Ye a of g° ° ut for., ous d e er ; sca nhet/ Of t of SUP ' on pOS „ :irCoat once - ren ee • n o e•:‘ • te ined' 3 „. cc lo- t, ie fin ° , Le bur° ,per P„ s i viboenjeu— b Pableu l; $ ases soc ieti asvi u i r f l treP ° • O'e r io er ; a atag!, ola in Or ill Pr: - a ble , • to re9l' aA sueh ° to{ eeiin A s be o ixlli~ r [eceisre V'. qb:e it 1n 3 : 1 bscr i r ol, env In e t ittne .01 0 , , h , non. ,tion re o ll, ; n, lun i tr p t jolt; It 16 dPut 3 ; 113 0 . 1 Liiee _ :lie 'near of supp for a limited ort ; and wherperthe assistance of friends can .' i r r elied on tr uie iod. first resolution. He k ° e 841itteRL GURNEY moved the Friend Lord Monteagiee s , that in rising to address his Hon. : °'4 thi.lrespectable body present, he av t a h s e a c f a ra s i e d t t h h a a t t h i a t d w b o e u en ld t Ili, in 11 1 bis Power to add anything to i -sglit before them. He had lately read with satisfaction I t ' s . report of the Commissioners ou Lunacy, and Lord Ash /I tt i's 'Plesilid speech lately delivered in the he felt that he i 113 (liear he ) and in coniesquenee, House of Cora 1, hear) -..mod, , tee tee , ,r 4 ky wel impressed with . ~ ,was proposed to . t a ee k sett of such an institution ' ' the importance of the esta te ',,e`' There was no class of human i a n s „ r a i i i t s 3 e .. ry T w b h e ic re h n it as W r BS t) 4 .1 ~1 ailing to look upon than sa e a 't that the investigation made en the subjec t t b p an ro i v n e s d ai t il h t3 a . 11 . , r e, was no clue of disease more Liable to abuse_e_ tat had witnessed such abuse, and . allu A d m d ste t r o da t m h , e lit at w hich poor lunatics received in s of contieement where • r, , t hail keown them. to be E eatueL,ter than tlose devoteladubtoin in these cases a; te c h l i a ,, r ,tetY in the mode of treatment an _, d and much 1 ia, Int el 4 " been done on the one h w as pigs. Place There had been . to ' e to be done on the There ti 'l e a 'i4i i to Which he wished particularly sed institution was other. to r T e h fe e r r . e to otte class of society to which the P 11tit ant 10 be applied. That class was P ri to ot t o b o e f 3 t , h w e e l r o e w n es n It ote f a certain degree of respectability ; And there them. taorder, t i' a s ct ibeinselves when this evil fell u fa a s 11 ' ) elass to which the charity It was a I • "wrclen were more clue.—(Hear, *e loaf o f bread to , I rY ,!xcellent thing to give a s and sympathy of their cottage, but is : I la who was starving who had been I tem s s used to such deprivation, and in slle h h i a state of misery 1 : e ' - i e llat be so poignant to hint as to one who the depths of I a ji :,,,," down from a respectable P"gs ther. l s Q v - : 4 '• I:te believed tbat the true Positiot o l With regard l' rei n ti. latter • 4. th e se instance than in any e b ° thought them to la f distress were felt host Prospects of the Institution, ....semi:a/. could be_ leueeitrscellent. He was cf opinion that t it OU the most approved Itre t eT`!' and a building erected accoeding 11, 1 , e llle a it would be a most desirable e d o n e d a ; 14 1 itt e l a ritY and kindly feeling that pervaded would It i-e' could be raised. He hoped that the gentlemen th a e nd com sti m ch unrty as , I ' 2 a, ' t was by no means to be despaired of that such a f 11 extent. oirg to the u lel i on thi s ea iin encouragement to . the foundation of the Insti -1111 a e if, however they failed in g 41 ":' , "glit not to be discouraged on tha e t gro e und. He took 1 4 , :Pan laid down in the prospectus to b most raise adv a the n - 1, 1 ro,iB that could be pointed out. , f they le .4.l:QoUlat they could easily sa elfash, ionable vicinity, and fit it up for as - the d not many as it was acaie could be hire a house at a low rent, not le 7 e `ile of admitting. Forty or fifty such !sa fled without any outlay of i c n aiael, these remarks . 4 0 14 on p r e ` very limited cost. He made soon discouraged, if and it could be se t der to ent them from being too li/Pi t..,ere not able to arrive at the full extent of their le se louse, P Int wod of Dr. 11 in the hands ,He had no doubt that such an s; nail oe conducted very we • stitution. r 4 -ininunit * - f founding a larger in fo -44' "Rea; hear)—and it would awaken the eyes of , lee ter , yto the necessite o !' k s leature to which he would allude was the payment t 81104oritdie8bWeho Were to derive benefit eases, from the Institution. that when individuals ex. 414 80 co• f alind, in many would at once l 'ett e. aoilcted in this class, that payment to the full tike'%teasule(l.l",e very difficult. payment to -1e full t- ..leY changed the intention ~f* herr 1 g whatever in ' The gentlemen . w I.l.teleish 'inapt, there would be no difficuy it should be k talei.eing it. It would be of great advantage to have the Ito shines Under the best regulations, that a "` 4 t t 1 ,5 j, 0 the public, but that it made these ,Übe at derived from the patients. .He n It would should maintain itself on lee ae'eatoe_eneourage them to do something soo - 60 patients, should be etr e e e er step to admit 50 or system . slee ted ,Per cent, from the cost. Some case itself needed and exonerate ,tia e.. 0„, ireitediately. The merits of the he'tlee'tnents from him, as it a plied to aclass ell -.'"` so o the present meeting wo t uld t die Crus c ' t in ' v ery any instances, most awfu_l_ly feel se as what had )1,341,4 bsatist as he entertain . ed fnot to the full tetet, "ei.earried out in a great measure i bs at on er ' t ' the as Ile hoped that this Institution a would hi ch h we thenconcluded by reading the resolution, e e estilb e would conc of London for the ee 114 1 an asylum :—" That re ' o n f insane persons belong' Peet the e' of society, whose circumstances . late 1.,...e unavoidable expense of private asylums." h''E said that the gentleman who , proposed the reso are too:limited be only _ ad so full tle‘'4:B4PY that lanation should be ; fl . ed b of Y established his case that it would o er - - y tlis isaY Part sfome exp the origin as to tteir oistitution e the Com m o ittee to strongly recommended intanee 11 1 11 4 °tiee l : A Wnitc(l! was a e s, en s tleman, whose aFclu n n and the * -el e he -01 tour ofepolTsessing* suegee - ed its or t igi t ha any one I ' ll e la 'rne. R ( M T't ;was quite sure visited h ad „ e r. ii . e or who elillte Late honour of his acquaintance, often t tat he had e4ri l asYlarla, would feel the sentiment If entertained, b,,_ , expressed he himse enee e s, . atrd which to Foul at . Luat if he or any 0 , f his family syere _ e d c , t ed by such a calamity as . insanity, h existence Ever s be thankful that there was in hear.) eve; Place as ROW 111 to afford protection.—(Hear, was would feel, he illre ".1:4-Ae who visited that asylum est t `"e salia How were their intentions to be ti ed ~, _ e sentiment of ,i r ut ? uence to'`ere Lord lat t Ivacated the chair, in conseq rd A ,,,, , on eag e teeciseiel 3 arrival, loud cheering, and tel e • 4%1-EY took the chair amidst stating that he likt been to the meeting for his absence, by importance in Ile qaell Unavoidably engaged in business of al e Vse of Commons. considerable extent to Marc4lTE proceeded t o s a y that a very asylum of this sort . .. 134,.1111nodation was required in an . ble number of in IN,: it available. It required a considera lf ere h were only 40 or' who should be properly extent classified of establishment first it was latee Patients, there would be .an 200. At . sum of Pro le : Nvoilld afford accommodation t ° to raise a ( i .s_ te e _ sed to form a joint-stock company seemed such 1 to teliY,at a small rate of interest, but was there h ght wise t ou denlin carrying it out that it and simply to apply I, that part of the scheme, the establish eT public for money enough to build 11 and the t:10 1 ;4's In the hands of Dr. Conno y out for the 411..tnittee all the arrangements would be carried 30,000'. sr 4B ° ' of the patients he had no d tubt satisfactorily. 1 tever that they ettila large sum, but bra had . no doubt n a much as would carry th d be enabled to ise it, or vs in inquiries made with ethirig into efficient practice. FrioT had q been stated that Iti'l4Pect to this Institution, he f hospitals ouu of this metropolis. phe4Were interfering w a th thedifferent character altogether. They I°ok Were of with payment for the purpose of ren qtri patients asylum of a different character altegether, 414 1 b r i Cl is shley's speech would show that if there en half-a () dozen such institutions, there would not be l i° %any for this metropolis. He concluded by seconding I r % e solution proposed b y the gentleman who preceded htm . t Cease - Er-Le said that h e advocated the principleon which tees Proposed institution was to be founded, as one sound, that any statement tOBsarY, and proper, but he thought . with so laudable 4 „ 4 t went forth to the world in connexion of thepersons i'4l'llose should be above all cavil on the part al te It was stated, e te May come forward as interested parties. exceeding payments not tevever, in the prospectus that week would d er witty-eve or thirty shillings per hea P es s This was a eetreeuired to cover all the current e-IFen Was the owner et estiternent not wilfully made. He himself lower than 255., liseeipse at which the rate of payment was aimed. His N ee ic ing all the comforts at which this society decision . in thi n e Was to enable them to come to n_ a - immediate entirely at their sesees ieatter, and to place that Institution 4 Z 'o such it manner as the Committee thought proper. t discover, rose to say te retatex, whose name we did no ~It (at th is ? 6 8 was matter entirely for future consideration. heering that 't Nva; W(11 (1 ex p - ess his high gratification at at such a small eke e e ble to maintain respectable persons , sews,,Oni A there for the Pure, smelt-EY said that they were not . ei t 4 e of debating, but of carrying certain resolutions. intimate that thi s ;' Aleerxe said that the prospectus would _, tie 41!titetiori Was to be devoted alone to the advantages. not might haven:Odle-classes. He wished to know why all asylum ? He , 0 1.11 ( 1 •Civantages that would result fri in the b riety of con "re • ri ng under th • consideration the prop ~_ etu es ;„ their c want Mt tti ' , " en a larger scale, for all p - ersons who may le e e e n• much they tillehtlestiakts thought that by attempting intention too to erect a Itstiostaf'e evarythng. It was not their fortune, she e„,,,establishment for persons of opulence and be necessary isr ths'.'d sesure to their relative:a all that would announced that % elr health. The ris colas had already wants of teet establishment was Intended to meet . the , otherwise te4eee eller class of sviety designated in fru i strated. , klbeis which they ba t in view would oet `illie he a controversy, e e , .EVAL did nit wish to enter into experience on these So, ilasired that tilos, who had the Jailet,`i should be heard for the purpose of directing le,ab,,,e 411 othsst of Committee. It might be said that in slit h a tri4tt anthers, should feel a delicacy in coming forward it neces aae.er, but, circumstanced as he had been, he felt Id was not as do so, because he believed that the wor rcised in sarrellitlY aware of the abominable cruelties exe li enlightened 141 1 'Matte asylums. He did not know why en t entreaty ei, ilesceuied to chise their ears against the voice o Riv e o r4n . , who were witnesses to this cruelty, who . would ks e, Pi aions on which wis men could form their judgment eteeeswhat ~ waa be tto herdthe Lord in an ;tee rieement of his addreas Sm e ll that if ever - here was... , did ''" oerevolence it u this ' 'n which they lived. He bee e ll e Z deny that it alcrasilsaa b e en ' evolent age,their but ..0 tveialle el': se'med, h owever, to have run mad... — r t Awaa au not oPPose the form ' ation of this Society—it st loula a`mance in the r* ht way. Lunatic a;:yt as ; l ilt be regardedigmerelv as hositals u very Jeethorr° r °confinement. The public entertained a establishments 114 trea't): f throwinte sane persons into these seem til mg them - as if they- were insane, but did not . freZeatly to and aPpreciate the necessity of discharging me. se,. fi frona restraint those who had been detained the 0 !_ efel!'rltheir intellects were re stored.—(Hear, hear.) He was 1 14 g to give any assistance - er to the for tile 40n am in his Pow ior , ~, maintenance of this Society, but hoped_ e eel. -elnuell o f i t ti l er hand, b lo g „„ Would, on the ktliaree`" co-oPerate with him in 0 , o obtaining from the whole ily4._ rit a full and complete investigation into that 114,7,1! treating lunatics. He did not mean to saynumbers Ale ete !•e pre of the Prating system one -twentieth one in a eeri'dni these asylums were sane • but supposing even contempla te f e te d to be so placed, was it' not a dreadful out to 411 Arl e ' anY feeling mind speaker WAS a- ) b„... other subjects, but wascalled to order by fully tor,j,;LOr CoNNOLLY who said all these things had been etelrsed by the Committee. leeeeecevee again rose, but tri-`'e'44tNON'rEAGLE interp o had any interposed, and said that if he _.- kittee in to make, th ey had better be sent in to theuorn 4 til4 3 . I°l writing, and he could assure the Hon. Gentleman ~ eit.'',llld meet with every attention, alle4frEtc:EVAL aNpressed himself satisfied wit • h what had k iv I r°lll Lord Mont 1 dwould not detain the meeting Sisaies...' Soirritvvoon SMITH' in moving the second resolution, , _ e t k i lli nng the varied 'forms of human suffering which :le interposition of humanity and science, that of i with at' !kee,•'itl',Peculiar in this, that if the evil be grappled if „ It lle e e l : la Most instances mastered in a short timr,.hie to `eiltsOleeted, it becomes difficult, and often im P"i to the te e r it, the calanniy rem duing in its full intensity tal ~.( lia ettb t . e life. Those who haVe paid most attention to me t n ber e alal edi are satisfied that it obeys the same laws aso of s ' l e hoP w hich have their seat in the physical structures li ke ere Y. The physical changes, indeed, which the brain re- NU S'C'eas--ihat •-' B eer ''' 43 til mysterious organ, . . h the manifestation of ,t nli" e material agent by whit; hut that eßti e t ei takes place —are at present not known; Zraie SltYsical Chan are does take place in some part of the erie ep l 41 every case of •' , few persons of competent i ity, ,ett ed ge, who inse , i ~ sub- Se ' (i llibt have thought 1 at all upon the 4. Ilze ll i• • Why those subtle changes should have illt4, lar a tendency to become permanen ~ t if the mental , l( !i(ix:,, e, their index a d Sequent be neglected, is wholly sm iler "Ise a e:i hut tilere and sequent, be neglected, is wholly un- Se Uh i Sonlething amilogous to it in . other ! r qa t i s t . We know that changaa, inappreciable result being iltly a ns es, go on in organs for a long time, the in f the organ k tee'ealared to us by the diperdered function o t _ , ie Ilesileei,alpri, and if tilts disordered function be neglec ed,reteii.. s' ze, I s - iii ckarigee continue. arid sometimes become app has - now h°11)11,,,,- wilether appr. cisl.lo or . nr, the. diseaseilsthis.seems ~"`4,11443, past hfvond control. S . .anct . l2 , T , g . i t, viltomist arid "N.' 'l With re v, mrd to th.: brain. '' ••• ' - ..0r... . b '. ible in ens disordered Retelieteetsies cen sometimes dbnacct ac . erta_ _ of ; at 9 44' 4 of the brain with a certain state insan ity whir tillte, tm wm. brain cannot be made out; but w it can be made out or not the ultimate fact is enough for us, enough for. all practical purposes, the melancholy fact taught us by large and painful experience, that if the first indications of insanity are neglected, they are extremely apt to increase, to pass beyond control, and to lapse into confirmed mania, or incurable imbecility. But why is this fatal delay in the treatment of these distressing cases so common ? Because for large classes of the community there is no fitting asylum to which the patient can go, and in which the treat ment appropriate to his peculiar affection can be adopted. For the pauper proper asylums are in some instances pro vided ; and there is ground for hope, mainly through the in defatigable exertions of your Noble Chairman, whose life is a strenuous, and we 'may now begin to say, a successful struggle, to bring help to those who cannot help themselves (Cheers) —for pauper maniacs, until lately a neglected and meet wretched class, provision seems about to be made in some degree adequate to the occasion. But for those who are above destitution, but without wealth—who are able when in health to earn a comfortable and independent subsistence, but whose power of self-support is necessarily lost with the loss of health—for such sufferers there is no provision ; yet ordinary sickness, lasting only a few months, nay, only a few weeks. throws persons of this class into a state of embarrass ment from which they do not recover for several years—they cannot pass through an attack of common fever, for example, without being thrown by the expense of it from a state of comparative ease to that of distressing poverty, per haps for two or three years. What then must be their condition when attacked by such a' disease as insanity? It is most truly stated in the prospectus in your hands, that the effect often is completely to pauperise not only the individual sufferer himself but the whole of his family. Against this calamity it appears to me that the application •f the principle of combination is one of the appropriate re medies. Large numbers brought together in the same es tablishment, conducted on a well-devised plan, in which a due regard is paid to economy, can be supported at a cheaper rate than is practicable in a small' establishment—l trust at so cheap a rate as to bring it within the reach of the clerk, the teacher, and the humbler members of the learned pro fessions. In the prospectus it is estimated that the cost will be for each. individual from 255. to 30s. per week. I hope experience will show that it will be practicable to bring the cost within 20s per week. Let it be borne in mind that 20s. per week is 50/. a year. It is easy to see how greatly the long continued payment even of such a sum must impoverish the classes in question. To many of them the annual pay ment of such a sum for any length of time must be wholly impracticable, and therefore it is that I regard with entire satisfaction the Charitable Fund, which it is a part of the proposed plan to found, for the assistance of those who are too poor to continue the payment they had commenced, and who, if unassisted, must submit to the removal of their relative or friend from the asylum. If there ever was a case in which assistance is needed, and would be useful, it is this. I will add one word relative to the improved treatment likely to result from the establishment now proposed. It is notorious, that since the establishment of county asylums, with the inspection and publicity attached to them, a re markable improvement has taken place in the treatment of the insane. A week or two ago I spent upwards of four hours in the wards of the asylum at Hanwell. In this esta blishment it has been found practicable to abolish every kind and degree of personal restraint. There was no instance of it in any patient that I sea - . The impression left upon my mind by my visit was the apparent absence of suffering, and the comparative cheerfulness of the place. Absence of suffering ! Cheerfulness! What words to be associated with such a place ! For such an impression to be possible, what a contrast must there now be to the horrors which a short time ago were characteristic of these places. I envy the satisfied consciousness of the man who, enlightened by science, has taken a true view of the infirmities of our nature in their most deplorable shape, and who, sus tained in his belief by the benevolence of his own nature and by a Howard-like devotion, has been able to work this great change.—(Cheers.) I cannot say that I think even at Han well the perfection of treatment has been attained. In such an institution there are difficulties in carrying out the higher and more refined parts of the system attempted there—parts which may be found in practice to be the most efficient of all, that will not attach to the institution now contemplated. I believe, therefore, that by the establishment of the proposed institution, you will not only at once relieve a mass of dread ful suffering, but that you will show the means of lessening that suffering more and more effectually, in all other places, and to, perhaps, distant ages.—(Cheers.) The resolution is as follows : " That patients in every stage, form, and complication of the disorder should be admissible to such an asylum, when recommended 1)7 a Governor, subject to the decision of the Committee of Management." Mr. GRANGER seconded the resolution. He thought the opinion too prevalent that insanity was not a disease of the body. Therefore, when insanity attacked an in dividual, he was considered as removed beyond the ordinary means of art. This opinion ought to be alto gether eradicated, for the report of the Parliamentary Commis sion had shown that where the cases were taken in time, a com plete cure was in most instances effected. It was for this reason t hat he hailed with pleasure the formation of a Society like this. He hoped the means to be adopted by the Institution would not only ensure relief to a vast amount of suffering, but effect a general improvement in the treatment of cerebral disease ; and with these strong hopes and confident conviction of the results of the Institution, he felt great pleasure in seconding the resolution —(Hear, hear.) The resolution was then put from the chair, and carried unanimously. Lord EBRLNGTON, in proposing the third resolution, ob served that when he entered that room it was for the pur pose of obtaining rather than imparting information, being himself wholly unacquainted with the peculiar features of the subjects under consideration. He had, however con sented formally to move a resolution, because such a task required nothing more than a bare knowledge of the parties introduced into it. A short time since, having had occasion to visit the Devon County Asylum, he was struck with the comfort and humanity evinced in its various appliances ; and he could not help comparing its appearance with that so gra phically, so thrillingly presented in the prints of Hogarth. liow dreadful, how heartrending were the miseries depicted there ; what a contrast with the system adopted at Geneva, and that now pursued at the institutions lately formed for the relief of pauper lunatics. Though lie admitted that much remained to be effected for that inferior class, yet the object now in view was to apply a remedy to even a greater amount of misery : it was for those not needing charity, but such assistance as they could re ceive consistently with that independence so peculiarly the characteristic of the middling-class. He would not trespass any longer on the time of the meeting, but forthwith move the following resolution : " That a Provisional Committee, consisting of the follow ing persons, with power to add to their number, be ap pointei to carry this object into effect, and that an appeal be made to the nobility, clergy, and public in general, for donations and subscriptions :—Lord Ashley, M.P. ; Dr. Bevan; Benjamin Bond Cabbell, Esq. ; Dr. Cobb; Dr. Connolly • William Dimes, Esq._ ; Henry Duesbury, Esq.; Dr. Hamilton Dr. Hitch ; Sir George Larpent, Bart. ; Dr. Pritchard ; Dr. Scott ; Dr. Southwood Smith ; Samuel Solly, Esq.; Arthur Stilwell, Esq.; William Thornborrow, Esq. ; William Tite, Esq. ; Joseph Toynbee, Esq. ; Dr. Robert Willis; Dr. Winslow. Mr. J. H. HALL, Metropolitan Commissioner of Lunacy, stated that in seconding the resolution just proposed, any remarks which he might offer must be attributed solely to his private feelings, and not to his public capacity. For some years he had been in close connexion with the insane, but he could never forget —no, nor scarcely express-- the feelings he first entertained on coming in contact with those so lamentably afflicted. Familiarity, it was said, blunted feelings, but he trusted his would never be seared by even his frequent association with misery.—(Cheers.) Many a time had he returned from scenes of anguish, worn out and dispirited—for endeavours to mitigate the suffer ings of others left behind feelings of acute pain. He had not been long connected with these institutions when he sta t ted publicly that their establishment would effect a great amelioration in every class of the insane. The intellect of man might be compared to the rain—now gently descending on the earth, now swelling the stream, now the rivulet, and now becoming stagnant, muddy, and foetid. So the intellect, if imparted to a healthy body, and given to a robust constitution,weuld be vigorous and strong ; but if to a weak and sickly frame, it was usually found impaired. There fore it was that the health of the patient should be sedulously observed in such institutions ; when disease affected the body only, and not the mind, the man might dispo. , :e of his person and his property. He concurred in the opinion expressed by other speakers who had pre ceded him, that early admission ought to be a fundamental principle of the establishment. He knew several instances where, on his recommendation, servants had been sent to an asylum at the first symptom of dementia, and in six weeks had returned to their situations perfectly recovered. The diseases were merely sympathetic, caused by a temporary derangement of the functions of the stomach or lungs, but, if neglected, they would have become per manent and chronic in the brain. He hoped, there fore, a portion of the Institution would be set apart expressly to cure disease. (Hear, hear.) It was impossible to cure diseases by masses. The greatest care and vigilance was necessary even to insure the prospect of success ; a minute examination into the state of the afflicted would be required ; positive limits should be fixed to the association, of the curable from the incurable, and a complete separation effected.—(Hear.) It is not air that from a thousand lungs wreaths back to thine. Sated with exhalations rank and fell, The stench of dunghills and the putrid thaw of nature. It is not air I —(Ch , era.) He should advise also greater liberty and freedom to be allowed the patients than was or dinarily acceded in their association with friends or relatives • and he urged this, because he felt that the per mission Of free intercourse with their fellow-creatures was one of the most likely means of restoring sanity, and enabling the afflicted to return to their friends. Economy, he was glad to observe, had been regarded in the arrangements al ready proposed—an economy which would enable its founders to relieve five instead of one. He knew of a county asylum where 350 patients were relieved at a cost of 350,0001., while the establishment now proposed would not require more than 30,0001. Another county asylum provided for 235 lunatics, erected at a cost of 64,0001., and its entire expenses were not less than 90,0001., or 4001. a head, a sum which might give relief to five instead of one. But their institution, acting on principles of economy as well as benevolence, would afford those essentials to comfort, at present denied the suf ferer—would give them cheerful scenes instead of a lingering and dreary life, and relieve the mind while it healed the body. The Hon. Gentleman concluded by seconding the resolution, which was put and carried unanimously. Mr. JOHN WILKES, in proposing the fourth resolution, said that as the last speaker had referred to his connexion with the insane, he also, as visiting magistrate of Hanwell, could testify to the noble exertions which in that institution had been made to relieve pauper lunatics. But while he rejoiced at these endeavours to ameliorate the condition of the poor, he felt deeply the want of an establish ment .which would provide for the middling classes. Often had his retirement been intruded on by widowed mo thers whose sons, the hope of their old age, intellectual, promising, aspiring, had, by the very exercise of those talents too assiduously, become lunatics, sweeping away the hopes of the mother, and leaving her to despair. Many had implored him to obtain admission for their afflicted relatives into Hanwell and other pauper institutions, and many actu ally were received by application being made for them in the capacity of paupers. But now, through Dr. Connolly's laud able endeavours, a prospect was held out of an opportunity for relief being at length afforded the middling classes. A curative course would, he trusted, be adopted in the conduct of the asylum, and, if so, he considered its appliances would be then complete. With these few observations he would conclude, merely moving " That Lord Ashley, Benjamin Boi:d Cabb2ll, Esq., and Samuel Gurney, Esq., be appointed trustees of the asylum." Dr. WINSLOW, in seconding the resolution, mentioned, as a proof of the necessity of such an institution, that the widow of a gentleman, once in affluent circumstances, but having only 100/. a year to support herself and seven or eight chil dren, came to him for advice respecting a daughter who had lately become insane Not being ab!e to put the sufferer under proper treatment, a younger child was entrusted with her charge; ana ste‘. from constant attendancseon her sister, shortly hrter a lunatic. Insaol!v demanded the vmpi!ipy ;,li . ; it was _ different from 0 K erx.i t ti t er - disease ; the ann(itieanie wreck, and who could say what was the fever of the mind ? The consequences of there not being at present any institution of the kind proposed were, that many TH' SUN, LONDON, FRIDAY MORNING„JUL ir amilies were obliged to keep their afflicted relatives at home, who thus became wholly incurable, though, if treated in time, they might have been recovered and restored. It was to obviate these evils that the present asylum was proposed ; and, in an humble hope to further its °Vets, he had con sented to second the resolution before the chair. The resolution having been put from the chair, was car ried unanimously. Mr. S. SOLLY, in moving the next resolution, said that the meeting had already had the imports.nce of this subject impressed upon them in such forcible and eloquent terms by the speakers who had preceded him, that he should content himself with simply moving the re solution, which was "that there should be established, in connexion with the asylum, a charitable fund raised by means of donations, subscriptions, and bequests ; which shall be funded in the names of trustees specially ap pointed, and the interest applied to the relief of a cer tain number of persons to be elected from the pa tients who have been one year or more in the asylum, and placed on the list of patients received for a lower payment or even without any payment whatever." He could corroborate all that had been said by his medical friends as to the necessity of such an institution for the cure of the insane and not merely for their reception. There was ne period at which insanity might not be cured, and the estab lishment of this charitable fund would enable parties to remain in the asylum a sufficient length of time to have a cure effected. Were •it not for this fund, it might happen that persons whose resources were exhausted, might be dismissed from the asylum just as reason was about to dawn. Dr. BEVAN seconded the resolution, which was carried unanimously. Dr. CONNOLLY, who came forward to propose the next re solution, was received with loud cheering from all parts of the room. He had to move "that the grateful and cordial thanks of the meeting be given to Earl Spencer and Lord Ashley— (Cheers) —for their kind patronage of the proposed asylum, and to Lord Ashley fur having given his valuable assistance en the present occasion, and for his zealous, benevolent and efficient exertions on all occasions affecting the protection and welfare of those afflicted with insanity." There was a debt of gratitude due from all of them to the two Noble Lords who were named in the resolution. The com mittee had not courted noble patronage, had they done so he doubted not but that they might have had hr.lf the nobility of the kingdom as patrons, but they bad thought that it would be impossible to have a greater guarantee of the cha-, racter of the institution for humanity, and kindness, and efficiency than the names of the two Noble Lords to whom the resolution referred.—(Cheers.) Those Noble Lords had been consulted, and approved of the ar rangements which the Committee had proposed, and Lord Spencer would have been present but that he was at present occupied in arranging the affairs of an institution of a somewhat similar character in the neighbourhood of Northampton. They had great reason to be grateful for the prompt and valuable assistance which had been rendered them by Lord Ashley.—(Cheers.) From his own experience at Hanwell he was aware how great was the necessity for the establishment of some such institution as the present. The want was one which was acknowledged by all, and from the manner in which the subject was now taken up he did not entertain a doubt of their success. Dr. WEBSTER, in seconding the resolution, passed a high eulogium on the character of Lord Ashley, who was de scended from a stock that had always been forward in sup porting the great cause of humanity.—(Cheers.) The resolution was carried by acclamation. Lord ASHLEY, in returning thanks, said he would not detain them any great length of time at that very late hour. Indeed, it would be impossible for him to do so, as he should be obliged to be in attendance in the House of Commons in a very short time. He deeply estimated the thanks of his fellow-citizens which were offered to him in that resolution ; but there was no expression of their thanks that was half so grateful to his mind as their assembling together as they had done that day, to promote the success of this institution.—(Cheers.) It was most gratifying to him to see such an assemblage, for he knew the necessity of such an institution to the welfare of the classes for whom it was destined. They e were many persons to whom the establishment of such an institution as this would be the greatest blessing that could be conferred upon them. It would secure to them a comfortable retreat, where their cure might be effected, and where they would be protected against cruelty, if their affliction was beyond the reach of human care. He denied that they were trenching upon the province of the large hospitals but even if they were he would not admit that as a valid reason against the esta • blishment of the institution. He believed great advantage would be derived from the multiplication of asylums of this character, inasmuch as a multiplication of asylums was at tended by a multiplication of students of the science of insanity, and he thought it a thing most desirable that well educated medical men, whose standing in the profession was a guarantee for their knowledge and talent, should be induced to devote their attention to the investigation and study of mental disease.—(Hear, hear.) Those persons for whom this institution was instituted could live in comparative comfort under ordinary circum stances, but were unable to meet the outlay required when any of the members of the family became afflicted by insanity—they were not prepared for such a blow. There were many small tradespeople, most worthy per sons, who, if one of the members of their family became afflicted with mental disease, shrunk from the expense of applying proper methods of cure—they could not afford it they treated the patient themselves, hoping that nature would do her work, and restore the patient. They resorted to expedients, and the malady be came incurable. He knew the working of the private lunatic asylums. There were some few of them admirably conducted; but in by far the greater portion patients paying two, orthree, or four, or even five guineas a week , did not receive that care and attention which was bestowed upon the pauper lunatics at Hauwell by his friend Dr. Connolly—(Cheers)— and upon those at Wandsworth by Mr. Hill—(Cheers)—and he would repeat, what he had already said twice in the House of Commons, that if it should please Providence to afflict him with insanity, and he should, under such circumstances, have any power of choice left, he would prefer going as a pauper to Hanwell, or to the Lunatic Asylum of Surrey, to being placed in a private asylum at five guineas a week, for he was convinced that nine-tenths of the patients in private asylums were not as well attended to as the paupers were at Hanwell.—(Cheers.) On this account he ardently desired the establishment of such an institution as the present, which would tend to promote a more accurate knowledge of the science of insanity. For sixteen years he had paid attention to this subject, and for twelve years he had been Chairman of the Board of Commissioners of Lunacy. The progress of improvement was very slow—the subject was a difficult one—but though the progress was slow it was certain, and comparing asylums now with what they were sixteen years ago, it was in many instances almost impossible to recognise them as the same places. A vast deal yet remained to be done, but still these asylums were much improved when compared with what they had been, and they no longer now exhibited those scenes of horror which were then of hourly occurrence. The establishment of such an institution as the present would be the means of introducing improvements into their private asylums. For the rich, pro vats asylums would always exist, where they could ob tain every comfort and attention that their cases re quired, from medical gentlemen of talent and com petent acquirements. But these cases at present were rather the exception. He should wish to see medical gentlemen, distinguished for scientific attainments, entering more largely into this career, and the establishment of insti tutions like the present would induce them to do so. He had received a letter from Mr. Samuel Tuke, of York, expressing approval of the Institute.—(Loud cheers.) He would not delay them by detailing to them any facts in which they were all agreed. He believed that the exhibition of sym pathy and kindness towards those whom Providence had afflicted was always followed by the blessings of the Almighty. That was a truth that could be proved from experience and from the words of Holy Writ. He, therefore, bade them God speed. Let them go on heartily with this undertaking, and they would receive the reward of a more than ordinary sympathy.—(Cheers.) Themeeting then broke up. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, July 10. The . r Lordships assembled at five o'clo.:k. - ARRESTMENT OF WAGES (SCOTLAND) BILL. On the motion of Lord CAMPBELL, this Bill was read a third time and passed. The Duke of RICHMOND presented a petition from 3,130 of the inhabitants of a place i 4 the county of Sussex, praying for the repeal of the malt-tax. He also presented a petition from the farmers of Burt, county Donegal, against the Irish Tenants' Bill. Lord LYTTLETON presented a petition from the Rev. Charles Miller, incumbent of Marlborough, praying for a dissolution of the Tithe Commission, and an alter ation in the tithe commutation. Several Bills were brought up from the House of Commons, principally connected with railways, and were sew rally read a first time. Lord CLIVE presented a petition in favour of the Oxford and Rugby Railway Bill. Lord BROUGHAM presented a petition from a gen tleman of the bar, complaining that he had been seriously injured by the late accident on the Great Western Railway, and praying their Lordships to in stitute an inquiry into the cause of it. PRIVILEGE. The. Duke of RICHMOND begged to call their Lord ships' attention to a matter of privilege. lie held in his hand the petition of Mr. Thomas Baker, who had been superintendent of the C division of the metropolimn po lice force from the year 1829 down to August in the last year. The petitioner stated that on the 26th day of April, he attended before the Committee of that souse, appointed to inquire into the law respecting gaming, when he was examined by such Committee, and gave evidence before them ; that Mr. John Harlow, a person mimed in that evidence commenced at action on the case, in the Court of Queen's Bench against him, wherein he sought to recover damages from the petitioner for in jury alleged to have been done to him in consequence of such evidence ; that petitioner had not pleaded to such action, and, therefore, he prayed the House to take the premises into their consideration, and to grant him pro tection against the action. He (the Duke of Richmond) begged to remind their Lordships that this individual did not voluntarily give his evidence before the Select Committee, but that the Committee called upon him to appear before them in consequence of his being the in spector of that division of the metropolitan police, whose duty it was to watch and know about gambling houses. Ihe man was examined upon oath, and he be lieved he spoke the truth to the best of his belief. He had known him a great many years, having known him when he was in the army, in the Peninsula and Water loo, and he believed a more honourable man did not exist. He wished, therefore, to a , k the Noble Lord the course that ought to be pursued in the case? The LORD CHANCELLOR said, if a witness who gave sworn evidence before their Lordships committed perjury, an indictment might be preferred against him, but he did not know that a witness could be indicted for what he had spoken in a court of justice ; but the ques tion was, whether they should, ur der the circumstances detail , d in the petition, protect the defendant. He under stood that the declaration alleged that the evidence was given before a Committee of that House. Lord BROUGHAM—In the presence and hearing of your Lordships. The LORD CHANCELLOR—It was possible that he might have repeated the words not in his capacity as a witness. He should recommend the appointment of a Committee to search for precedents on the subject—a course which would be rendered necessary, as the case, in the ordinary course of justice, might come before their Lordships as the last court of resort. The Noble and Learned Lord concluded by proposing the motion. Lord C IMPBELL moved, as an amendment, that the plaintiff and his attorney be summoned to appear at the bar of that House. He considered that there was no necessity for a Committee. He agreed with his Noble Friend on the Woolsack that no action could be main tained against a witness for evidence which he had given before their Lordships. He called on Creir Lordships to protect their privileges, and referred to the case in which an action was brought against one of the officers of their Lordships' House for taking an umbrella which had been left by a witness in his possession. In that case their Lordships threatened to commit the plaintiff to prison if he proceeded with the action. Lord BROUGHAM considered that the question was a new one, and that the one before the House did not involve a breach of privilege. They had only a quarter of an hour to decide what course they should adopt, and he thought the best course was to adopt the proposition of the Noble and Learned Lord to search for precedents. Their Lordships were not like the House of Commons. They were a court of justice, and to de clare that to be a breach of privilege which, perhaps, they would have in future to decide upon in their judicial capacity was so extraordinary a proceeding, that he was sure they would not attempt it. To call upon the plaintiff to disclose his case— such a proceeding would be an extraordinary, if not an extreme case. To call upon the plaintiff to come before them and tell them his case at the mere request of the defendant, was a course which he was sure they would not sanction. He believed that the Houses of Parlia ment had their privileges best secured by trusting their privileges to the courts of justice. Lord COTTENHAM said that the petitioner alleged that the action was brought for words which were spoken before a Committee of that House. He then said that he did not speak the words in the declaration. And also that what he did say was not spoken in malice. There might not be a word of truth in the petition, but if it was true there could be no doubt that the action which was instituted for that evidence was a breach of the privileges of the House. If they did not proceed imme diately, but stayed proceedings till Monday, mischief might de econe in the interim ; and they had the ex ample of the other Howe before them to warn them of the consequences of procrastination in a question of that kind. Lord DENMAN hoped that they would not prevent the plaintiff in this case from proceeding with his action in a court of justice. He thought that the matter would perhaps have to come before them in their judicial ca pacity, and he did not consider that they would be up h )Icling their high dignity, by resorting to the summary proceeding proposed. It would not be in his power to speak on the case at a future time, and he was therefore desirous to record his sentiments on the subject, before his judicial duties earns on. The Noble Lord said that the precedents were all on one side. There was only one ease in point— the umbrella ca se, which was so called, from a party wh ) attended the House on one occasion, when it sat as a judicial tribunal, and while there lost his umbrella. He accused one of the officers of the House of having taken it, and summoned him to the Court of Requests for the offence. The House asserted its privileges, and quashed the proceedings. He thought it a most pernicious thing for them to interfere, and pre vent the law from taking its course. He thought if they proceeded in that high-handed way they would not raise their Lordships' character in the estimation of the country. It could not be supposed for a single moment that any court of justice in England would give coun tenance to the plaintiff, if the evidence which was de posed to respecting him was based on truth. There bad been nothing in the conduct of any court of justice which would entitle any party to say they had not discouraged an action of this nature, but on the other hand it was not to be said that a . party could take advantage with impunity of his being in a Committee of either House of Parliament, to slander or libel another. The judges had always to perform their duty without fear and with out favour, and it was necessary they should do so, for the protection, not o f one class of individuals, but for the protection of all, and to do equal justice to those who were found to have been injured, and to assist those in seeking the truth who complained of injury. Upon these general grounds he ventured to ask the House to pause before they adopted the amendment of his Noble and Learned Friend (Lord Campbell). After a few words from Lord CAMPBELL and Lord BROUGHAM, the House divided, when there appeared— For the moti on For the amendment Majority On our admission to the gallery, we found The Marquis of CLANRICARDE blaming the House for carrying the motion. Lord STANLEY considered that, by adopting the mo tion, they would not sacrifice one jot or one tittle of their power or authority. They had adopted the proper course in taking a short time to deliberate as to the course they should pursue. By inquiring into the steps which were taken on former occasions, that they might be guided in the course which they should pursue in re gard to the case before the House, would not in the smallest degree detract from their dignity. The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH considered witnesses ought to have the protection of the House extended to them; if by giving evidence they were liable to have ac tions brought against them, truth would with difficulty be elicited. Lord COTTENHAM considered that they oug h t to know whether it was a bre a c h of p r iv ilege or not with out searching for precedents. The Duke of RICHMOND produced tmh,aespriedevi deuce of the Comm ittee, Chairman. of which h e usually were. ercei v a Lt es cl ses The petitioner was examineadtwosulvva they perceive When it was considered that that blackguard s i it was a t to laugh)—they deal with—(A lau very difficult to obtain information from any persons ex cept the police. The Committee was then appointed,o and el even o ' c l ock (this day) fixed for its first meeting. FRAUDS BY A RAILWAY COMPANY. The Duke of RICHMOND then called the attentionthe on of the House to two petit ions which he h ad placed a table of that House. On e of the petitions made a direct charge ect charge against the Directors te of rail way company— that they had committed or fifteen cases of forgery. He thought it would not b e right that such an allegation should be made, and that no inquiry should be instituted into it. If forgery had taken place, it ought to be in quired into, and he should, therefore,_ move that a Select Committee should be appointde.d to_ t u r , e a p s ort on the petit e that there tions to which he had referred. It e obtaini theatru attendance was great difficulty' of Peers, but it would _ t havewn stated bad c effect on the public, when n a d i been committed in a petition that forgery h nutted by a Railway Company, that no attention should be paid to Committee on ought not to it. He considered that the repol n t m of m t o he the Bill, which had passed the U Th e par . ty_s l t e a e t n ed in the peti tion received until the Committee he had proposed should have made their report. tion that he could bring forward fifteen people, whose names were put to the contract without their consent or knowledge. He himself knew neoptthiwnhgaatthaell hoafdth s e ta ni te a d t l exe Orders C2narnittee that ter, from beginning to end, Parties stated to the Standing the deed they had seen the persona sign said i t " ctontract. The Marquis of CLANRI I was a very serious forgery, and was punishable in a court of law. I But he saw no reason why the Bill should be d e f erre d i n I consequence, as it appeared that there would remain a I large surplus, which, without the sum s set down to the - parties in the deed of contract, would be enough to carry the Bill. The names might be scratched out. 1815. Lord ASHBURTON considered the Committee was the proper tribunal to investigate the matter. The Duke of RICHMOND was not of that opinion ; he consid red the Committee had no power to do so. It was the dutyof the Standing Orders Committee to decide on the matter when the Bill was befr re them. Lord ASHBURTON considered that they might throw out a Bill which contained names which had been forged to the deed of contnct. The LORD CHANCELLOR said they could not then determine whether forgery had been committed or not. It was a very serious fraud. The Earl of SHAFTESBURY was understood to say that the subject had been mentioned in the Standing Orders Committee, but that the party IA ho made the allegation could not point out the fraudulent names amongst those subset ibed to the de• d. The Duke of RICHMOND - did not wish to delay the Bill. All he wanted was that it should not be read a third time until the subject had been cleared np. A 100,0001. clause was struck out of the Bill in Committee. If an existing railway required fresh powers, they were obliged to advertise their intention in the newspapers and the London Gazette, that every shareholder might know what was going on. This was under the " Wharn eliffe" claus9. Lord STANLEY—It is a standing order. The Earl of DEVON moved, as an amendment, that the Committee should report specially whether the cir cumstances detailed to the House ought not to delay the passing of the Bill. The Duke of RICHMOND said that was in direct opposition to the standing orders. Lord MONTE AG LE thought that a searching inquiry should be instituted. In the other House of Parliament a Member had been made liable for a sum of 30,0001 by a forgery of that kind. He thought that the public were entitled to have some protection with regard to these schemes, and he should therefore support the ap pointment of a Committee. After a few words from Lord CHARLEVILLE, The Duke of RICHMOND moved that a Committee . be appointed to investigate the allegations.—Agreed to. GAMES AND WAGERS BILL. On the motion of Lord WHARNCLIFFE, the Wagers and Gaming Bill was read a third time, with amendments, and passed. DOCUMEN'TARY EVIDENCE BILL. Lord BROUGHAM moved that this Bill should be printed as amended, and recommitted. He thought that there should be a •provision to enable the journals of either House of Parliament to be given in evidence. The LORD CHANCELLOR approved of the gene ral provisions of the Bill, but had doubts as to the pro priety of that clause relating to the journals of the House. Lord CAMPBELL approved of the Bill. He thought would save a great deal of expense. IRISH JURORS BILL. On the motion of the LORD CHANCELLOR, this Bill was read a third time and passed. Lord BROUGHAM postponed the resolution of which he had given notice regarding the standing orders till to-morrow. PARLIAMENTARY BUSINESS. WEDNESDAY, JULY 9. The Lords' amendments to the following Bills were agreed to Manchester South Junction and Altrincham Railway. Manchester and Birmingham Railway (Ashton Branch). North Wales Railway. Taw Vale Railway and Dock. Trent Valley Railway. Ashton, Stalybridge, and Liverpool Junction Railway (Ard wick and Guide Branches). Eastern Counties Railway (Ely and Whittlesea Deviation). Reports of the following Bills to be taken into consideration on Friday : South Eastern Railway (Widening and Extension of the London and Greenwich Railway). South Eastern Railway (Tunbridge to Tunbridge Wells). London and York Railway Bill,—Petition for additional provision reported ; report referred to the Select Committee on Standing Orders. COMMITTEE ON PRIVATE BILLS APPOINTED BY THE COMMITTEE OF SELECTION. The Committee of Selection have nominated the following Committee: — A Committee of Viscount Howick (Sunderland),—Chairman, Sir John Walsh (Radnorshire), Mr. Thomas Mackenzie (Ross), Lord Leveson (Lichfield), Mr. Savile Ogle (Northumberland), to whom they have referred the Bill comprised in group ZZ., viz. The Bolton and Leigh, Kenyon and Leigh Junction, North Union, Liverpool and Manchester, and Grand unction Railway Companies Amalgamation. The Select Committee will meet on Thursday, July 17, at twelve o'clock. NOTICES GIVEN AT THE PRIVATE BILL OFFICE. Direct London and Portsmouth Railway,—Third reading, Friday, July 11. Brighton and Chichester Railway (Portsmouth Extension), —Third reading, Friday, July 11. Guildford, Chichester, and Portsmouth Railway,—Third reading, Friday, July 11. Gravesend and Rochester Railway,—Report, Friday, July 11. ROYAL SANTIAGO MINING COMPANY.—At the meeting of the Proprietors of this Company on Wednesday, a divi. dead of 14 10s. per share (amounting to 10,5001.) was declared. UNION BANK or LONDON.--Wednesday the sixth annual meeting of the proprietors of this company was held at their premises, 2, Princes.atreet, Mansion.house, Alderman Sir . Peter Laurie in thechair. The report stated that the directors had to con. gratulate the proprietors on the general prospects of the company. They had the satisfaction of declaring a dividend of five per cent. per annum, clear of Income-tax, on the paid.up capital of the com pany. During the past year the prosperity of the bank, and the in. crease of its operations in every department, had amply realised the anticipations of the directors ; in confirmation of which it might be stated that since June 30, 1843, the current and deposit accounts had increased upwards of one million sterling, or more than 100 per cent. in the last two years. The accounts showed that, after payment of all charges for the establishment and interest to customers on their current and deposit accounts (amounting to 26,0041. 9s. 6d.), the unappropriated profit of the past year on June 30 last, was 36,4191. 15s. 7d. ; so that after the pay ment of the dividend, and appropriating 5004 as usual, in reduc tion of preliminary expenses, the directors were enabled to add 7,4851. 12s. 2d. to the reserved fund, which, with the dividend ust accrued, would make that fund 20,0001. The preliminary ex penses had been further reduced, by the sum of 1,0001. received for fittings at the premises in Moorgate.atreet, which would leave the balance of that account 13,0001. only. On the motion of the Chairman, seconded by Andrew Spottiswoode, Esq., deputy.gover nor, the report was adopted, and the dividend declared. Three directors, viz., John Barnes, Esq., John William Sutherland, Esq., and William Mountford Nurse, Esq., of the Polytechnic Institu tion, retired, in accordance with the deed of settlement, and were unanimously reelected. A vote of thanks was passed to the go.. vernot'ind the directors for the seal and success with which they had conducted the Society's operations. The meeting then sepa. rated. FREE CHURCHES. The Marquis of BREADALBANE presented a peti tion from the General Assembly of the Free Church of Scotland, complaining of the refusal of proprietors of land in Scotland to grant sites for the erection of churches. The principle involved. in this petition the Noble Marquis said, was most important. He always thought that it was one of the rights and privileges of the Constitution that those who might think fit to agree with the tenets of the Established Church could exer cise their religious belief according to their consciences, without persecution and with perfect freedom. If, how ever, Parliament suffered the proprietors of land to exer ercise the rights of property in direct violation of the principles of the Constitution, he was quite certain it would be considered that the Constitution existed only in theory and not in practice. He therefore trusted their Lordships would see the necessity for giving a formal opinion on the subject, and put an end to the system of persecution which had lately been allowed to pervade the Free Church of Scotland. The Earl of CAMDEN, as one of the parties re ferred to by the petition, wished to say a few words in justification of the course he had thought it his duty to pursue. Many unjustifiable attacks had been made upon him by the body from whom the petition emanated, and it was rather unfair that they should still follow them up. He admitted having refused to grant sites in some instances, but circumstances justified his doing so, and, theref,:re, many of the statements which had been made against him were in some respects unfair, and others untrue. He hoped that he had shown that he was not so much to blame as had been stated. The Duke of BUCCLEUCH complained of those who had gone from place to place exciting the people by de nouncing the Established Church, and who forgot that toleration which was due to those who differed with them. He had been denounced as a godless man, as wishing to trample down the consciences of those who were dependent upon him. He found that in those districts in which there were no Free Church, that the inhabitants made no objection to walk several miles to the Established Church of the district. He was perfectly satisfied in his own conscience that he had acted right, and with deliberation ; that he had not been actuated by any feelings of ill•will ; and, to show that he had so acted, he had in his employment persons who had be come members of the Free Church, and in whom he placed entire confidence. Lord CAMPBELL considered that those who had seceded from the Church and had become members of the Free Church had acted from conscientious motives—had eschewed worldly advantages for what they believed the true form of worship ; and such being the opinion of the people, he thought it was to be regretted that those who differed with them should prevent them from erecting churches of their own ; such conduct could not but be condemned. By landowners granting sites of land, at a moderate rate, they would promote a better feeling be tween themselves and their tenants. The Marquis of BREADALBANE defended the members of the free church from the aspersions which had been cast upon them ; they were in favour of tole• rating all religions—of seeking no more for themselves than they would willingly concede to others. When the Noble Duke talked of there being no objection to walk a distance to church, he forgot the aged and the ailing. In this country, when the principle of toleration existed to such an extent in theory, he thought they ought to be carried out a little better in practice. THE POOR-LAW UNIONS (IRELAND) BILL. This Bill went through Committee. The Earl of CHICHESTER presented a petition from a Church Missionary Society, praying their Lordships to obtain a speedy adjustment of the affairs of New Zealand, and sanction no proceedings unless such as were based on the treaty of Waitangi. The natives of that country should not—though migratory in their habits—have their lands wrested from them. To take advantage of their ignorance would, he con sidered, be attended with the most disastrous conse quences. He trusted that such arrangements would be made, with the consent and the concurrence of the New Zealand Company, as would fix the peace and prosperity of the colony upon a permanent basis. Having made those remarks, he would just state that the object he had in view was to have an assurance from her Majesty's Go vernment, that the alarms alluded to by the petitioners were unfounded, and that they would put the same construction upon the treaty with the natives as had been put upon it by a Committee of the House of Commons. He sincerely hoped that her Majesty's Government would recollect that the maintenance of the prosperity of the country would entirely rest upon their dealing with the natives upon the principles of justice. Lord STANLEY thought it would be inexpedient for him to enter into all the questions connected with the colonisation of New Zealand, and, therefore, he should confine himself only to one or two points con nected with the subject. The whole differences of the Government with respect to New Zealand, from the anxious desire of the Government to deal fairly with all parties between two conflictingagree merits which had been entered into by a former Govern ment with the New Zealand Company and the natives of that colony. In point of fact, their difficulties had arisen mainly from a feeling that however important it might be to promote colonization, it was not to be en couraged at the expense of the national honour of the country. In almost every instruction they had issued, they had insisted throughout, on the part of the Govern ment, that it was a solemn obligation binding upon them to observe, and secure the fulfilment of the treaty of Waitangi. These instructions were given to Governor Fitzroy, and the instructions which had lately been is sued to Captain Grey reiterated the determination of Government, that while they were doing all in their power to bring about an amicable settlement of the affairs of New Zealand, they considered it was a paramount duty imposed upon them to faithfully and scrupulously fulfil the engagements which had been entered into with the natives. Lord MONTEAGLE said they were bound to inter pret the treaty strictly, but it would be as well if it were definitely settled whether it was competent for the settlers to enter upon unoccupied land without the con sent of the natives, or whether the natives had a right of property over all the lands of New Zealand. In his opinion, the evils of the island had arisen from the un authorised attempt of parties to colonise it ; and he thought it was the duty of Government to discounte nance all such attempts. He did not agree with the Noble Earl that there had been any want of good faith on the part of the Noble Lord the Secretary of the Colo• vies, with either the natives or the New Zealand Com pany ; but he thought it would be conferring a benefit upon the country, if that Noble Lord would state clearly and distinctly the construction which he and the Govern ment put upon the treaty of Waitangi. The Earl of CHICHESTER wished to correct the Noble Lord in one of his statements. Neither he n the petitioners had imputed a want of faith to the Noble Lord the Secretary for the Colonies. Lord STANLEY was quite willing to answer the de mand which had been made upon him to state precisely and distinctly the construction which he placed upon the treaty of Waitangi. If an opportunity were allowed him in that House, he could prove to demonstration that not only by the present Government, but, by all former Go vernments, the same construction which was now placed upon it, without any interruption from the time it was made down to 1 842. The discrepancy between the de claration of Lord John Russell and the treaty of Waitangi was apparent but not real. He would tell their Lordships how this happened. Lord John Russell issued the declaration upon a false representation made to him by the New Zealand Com pany, namely, that they had purchased the land from the natives, and hence had arisen all the difficulties. His own interpretation of the treaty was this—except by the consent of the natives, the Crown had no right to convey land to anybody, and having no right, he would be the last man to advise the Crown to exercise the power of making over to a third party that which it did not pos sess itself.—(Hear, hear.) The subject then droped. FOREIGN LOTTERIES BILL. On the motion of Lord STANLEY the Bill was read , a second time, and ordered to be committed on Monday next. 1 TIMBER SHIPS BILL This Bili wss read a third time and passed. ASSESSED TAXES COMPOSITION BILL. This Bill was also read a third time. Their Lordships then nr.ijolirncd. IWUSE . 0P MONS, .7illy 10. The SPEAKER took the Chair at Twelve o'Clock. Leave was asked and granted for Committees to sit, notwith standing the meeting of the House. Mr. .CARDWEEL moved the order of the day for going into Committee on the MERCHANT SEAMEN'S BILL. _ _ Mr. \YAWN observed that last night the House was led to believe that the Commons Inclosure Bill would be the first business proceeded with this day. and as many Members, acting on this belief, had absented themselves, he urged the Hon. Member the Vice-President of the Board of Trade to proceed with the COMMONS INCLOSURE BILL. Mr. CARDWELL having consented, the House resolved into Committee on this Bill. Clauses up to 70 inclusive having been previously discussed, the 71st was that now commenced with. On this latter clause, as well as on the 76, 85, 88. and 104, a desultory conver sation a , oce between Mr. Wawn, Mr. Bouverie, Lord Lin coln, and Lord Clive, but these, as well as the intermediate, were eventually agreed to. ) Clauses up to 103 were then agreed to, with some verbal amendments. Mr. HENLEY thought that the principle of compulsory al lotment would be anything but beneficial to the poor. He must enter his protest against it. Mr. S. CRA WFORD entertained no such apprehension with regard to the allotment system. He thought that it would be more effectual than any proposal he had heard for the permanent relief of the poor. The 104th clause was then read. Mr. S. CRAWFORD objected to the clause. He con sidered that the allotment should be altered from half an acre to an acre. Lord LINCOLN opposed the amendment. The claim was allowed to stand part of the Bill. On the 105th clause being read, Mr. BOUVERIE objected to this clause. He con sidered the warders should not be empowered to turn out the occupants of allotments, unless upon very strong ground.. He considered that it would be quite unprecedented to confer a power of such an arbitrary kind upon the wardens as this clause conferred. He was quite sure that the Noble Earl never contemplated such a thing. The Earl of LINCOLN thought that if this clause were struck out the Bill would be rendered completely inoperative, and all the advantages which he anticipated from the Bill would be prevented. Mr. COWPER thought the wording of the clause was too stringent. After a desultory conversation, in which Mr. Henley, Mr. Wortley. Mr. Cowper, and Mr. Crawford joined, The clause was agreed to, with some amendments, agreeably to meet the suggestions of Mr. Bouverie. Clauses 106 and 107 were agreed to. Clauses up to 125 were agreed to without a division. The CHAIRMA N reported progress, and the House resumed. MEMBER FOR ABINGDON. The ATTORNEY•GENERAL was introduced by Lord Jermyn and Mr. Forbes M'Kenzie, and took the oaths and his seat, on his re-election for the borough of Abingdon. RETIRING PENSION TO NAVAL OFFICERS. Captain PECHELL wished to ask the Gallant Admiral op posite (Sir G. Cockburn), whether, and when, it was intended to bring forward the supplemental vote for retired naval offi cers ? They had heard it currently reported that such a thing would take place, and he (Captain Pechell) thought it per fectly fair, under these circumstances, to put the question. Sir G. COCKBURN said that the subject was under the consideration of her Majesty's Government, and he was not prepared to give any other answer than that already given by the First Lord of the Treasury the other evening. If fur ther information was required the Hon. and Gallant Member had better repeat his question that evening. CONIMONS INCLOSURE BILL. The House again went into Committee on this Bill, and the remaining clauses were agreed to. The Chairman then left, and the sitting of the House was suspended till five o'clock. The House resumed at Five o'clock. COMMONS INCLOSURE BILL. Mr. GREENE brought up the report on the Commons Inclosure Bill, which was ordered to be received on Friday next. Mr. LOCKHART moved that the Committee on th Yoker Road (No. 2) be allowed to sit on Friday next. —Agreed to. The Lords' amendments to the Lyme Regis Improve ments, Markets and Waterworks, and to the Chelsea Improvements Bills, were agreed to. Mr. MACAULAY brought up the report on the South Devon and Launceston and South Devon Railway Bill. Lady Sandy's (Turner) Estate Bill was read a third time, as was the Glasgow, Barrhead, and Neilston Rail way Bill. The Lords' amendments to the London and Brighton (Horsham Branch) Railway Bill and the Belfast Im provements Bill were agreed to. Mr. LASCELLES moved—" That it be an instruction to the Committee to whom the Railway Bills and pro jects comprised in Group A stand referred, that they have power to introduce clauses in the Bill for making a railway from Bulverhithe to Ashford, promoted by the Brighton, Lewes, and Hastings Railway Company, authorising that Company to transfer the powers which may be conferred on them by such Bill to the South- Eastern Railway Company, and making the last men• tioned Company to exercise such powers, or some of them, in terms of the prayer of the petition." The '4PE NIiER then put the question. Mr. GREENE said a few words, which were wholly inaudible in the gallery. The motion was agreed to. Mr. MUNTZ moved the third reading of the Glasgow, Barhead, and Neilston Railway Bill. Read a third time and passed. Mr. HAWES presented several petitions in favour of the Physic and Surgery Bill from various places in Kent, Middlesex, and Surrey. Mr. MACKINNON presented a petition from New castle, in favour of the Smoke Prohibition Bill. • Mr. SHELL presented six petitions from Dungarvon and Charleville, in favour of the Apothecaries Bill • also a petition from Cork, in favour of a Ten Hours' Mr. Sergeant M.URPHY presented a petition in favour of a Ten Hours' Bill. NOTICES OF MOTION. Mr. BODKIN gave notice that he should, on Monday, move for leave to bring in a Bill to amend the law re lating to orders for the removal of paupers. NEW ZEALAND. Mr. C. BULLER gave notice that, on the 19th inst., he should move for copies of the correspondence which had taken place between her Majesty's Government and the New Zealand Company since the late debate. SPANISH TREATIES. Lord PALMERSTON said it was his intention, on Tuesday next, to submit a motion on the subject of the correspondence which had taken place between her Ma jesty's Government and the Spanish Ministry on the sub j ect of the treatiesexistingbetween thiscountry and Spain. IRISH COLLEGES BILL. On the motion that the Colleges (Ireland) Bill be read a third time, Mr. OSBORNE proposed that an humble address be presented to her Majesty, praying that she will be graciously pleased to direct an inquiry to be made into the amount of the revenues of Trinity College, Dublin, from rents of College lands, endowments and bequests, fees on matriculation, on taking degrees, and from every other source • also into the manner in which that income is expended, the number of senior and junior fellows, of professors, scholars, and all other officers of the college, with the amount of salary and allowances to each of them ; with a view to ascertain whether the income or funds at present applied solely to the benefit of Pro testants in Trinity College, Dublin, might not be beneficially extended, so as to make Roman Catholics and Protestant Dissenters eligible, if otherwise quali fied, to all scholarships, and to all such fellowships, professorships, and other offices in Trinity College, Dub lin, as are not intended for ecclesiastical purposes, or immediately connected with ecclesiastical endowment. He regretted that no Member of the Government had brought forward this subject- However much he might regret that the matter bad fallen into such in effectual hands, he would endeavour to make amends for his inefficiency by the brevity with which he dis cussed it. He did not think lie could be fairly charged with any desire to throw an impedi ment in the way of the proposed measure. He bad ab stained, hitherto, from entering on any of the details of the measure, because, the more he considered the matter, the greater would be its inability for the purposes proposed, unless a great alteration took place in the constitution of Trinity College, Dublin. The whole system of that college was unknown—much yet remained to be told with regard to the economy of its internal working. There were subjects which involved much consideration and inquiry before any alteration in the collegiate education was enforced. It would also be more prudent to refrain from voting a large sum of money for a pur pose which the Catholic hierarchy had unanimously de clared would not be acceptable to the Irish people.— He would, at the same time, ask Honourable Mem bers whether they knew how much the Roman Catholics of Ireland contributed out of their own resources to the support of the Catholic religion ? He could tell them these individuals alone subscribedupwards of 10,0001. annually to the propaganda of Lyons. In the course of the present session a considerable sum of money had been drawn from the consolidated fund for the endowment of the Roman Catholic clergy, contrary to the wishes and feelings of the people of England. On the present occasion they were called on to vote another sum of money from the same source—for the establishment of three colleges which had been de nounced by the Roman Catholic prelates. It was impos sible to say what other dips would be made in this great reservoir next session, but the Irish Land Commission had suggested another encroachment upon it, viz, the paytrent of 400,0001. to the Irish constabulary- 13 Y many these points were looked upon with indifferen"tO and by the Ministry this consolidated fund seem ed be regarded as a sort of Pool of Be t hesda, where all the financial souls of Ireland might be healed, whenever they thought fit to trouble its waters. He saw no reason why Trinity College should not be made available to the purposes of education in Ireland. Almcst the whole emoluments of that establishment were swallowed up by its fellows. Only one in 320,000 of the Irish Catholic population were educated ther e, and these were obliged to pay the tutors, but were never allowed to participate in the emoluments. He had had a notice on the paper, to which the Right lion. Baronet seemed adverse to the discussion of. On that occasion the Right Hon. Baronet said that this was a question not to be hastily disposed of, and on a late occasion also, the Memb er f or th e Uni versity of Dublin had resisted all inquiry into the sub ject, on the ground that the revenues of the College were private property. He (Mr. Osborne) should like to ask that Hon. and Learned Member if be represented them as a'private or as a corporate body ?—:(Tlear, hear.) The Lion. and Learned Member was a judge of law, and he (Mr. Osborne) would be glad to know from him the dis tinction between public aad private property ? In order to assist him in arriving at a correct opinion, lie would refer him to the statement of an eminent jurist, Sir .Tas. Mackintosh, upon the subject. The Right Hon. Barcesee the Member for the University of Oxford, gd tilit heeN should vote for inquiry, it any allegation ,of abuse were,..,eee made against the College. He (Mr. 0/thiune) theughtees e lle \ .... ---"\\, that if he could prove to the Right H0iv. : 144 . i-O ee te s salts .\'se .... factit n that the original character had awe perverted; lie' e--- 7 . 7 . 1 might calculate upon his eupport, and, krrilre ti tit place, -, ..... Collegel, sCe‘e_A: unded her5 ....\ 11,... it had beets alleged that Trinity a Protestant Monarch, iron/ protestan et , t ' acid for' „.,,. Protestant purposes. What was Ole fact eve s Tvltei lie 4 liCi tj was founded in 1592, and the very gattectVk.e. _ - auto in convent was built was taken from the Roman t? alon was to . of All-Hallows, and the object of the fou: hear.") extend learning and civilisation among Wee Roman Catholics of Ireland.—(Cries of "Hear. So far from Trinity College having been founds. 4 her Protestants for Protestant purposes, it was founded out of the public money for public purposes. He altogetbePr denied that the original charter of the Dublin tiniversite provided that it should be applied to any sectarian or peculiar religious purposes. There was only one pas sage in the charter of Queen Elizabeth that could be construed . r.t all to mean anything of that kind, yet that he was sure could not be interpreted to mean that the University was founded for Protestant purposes. There was not a single word in it to that effect. He would read the extract from the charter, and begged that the lion. Member for the University of Dublin would translate it for the benefit of the country gentlemen be hind him. The Honourable Member here read the ex tract to which he referred. The foundatine of the Uni versity of Dublin to Protestant purposes referred to forty years after, when Strafford and Latitt were in power, and persecution against the Catholics was the order of the day. That was the first time that e`le Ite• man Catholics were rendered ineligible. In a su,nPle mentary charter, the exclusion of the Roman Catho2ies was thus set forth. The Learned Gentleman here read ' a long extract in Latin from th e secon d c h arter , to t h e effect that Roman Catholics should be excluded, and the establishment set apprt for Protestant purposes. He therefore deified that Trinity College was estab lished for exclusive purposes, and he should be glad to hear what the Right Hon. Gentleman the Member for the city of Dublin had to offer on the subject. In fact, Trinity College had been changed altogether in its constitution to what it was originally. It was there provided that there should be no married fellows in the university. This was altogether altered ; and they had now that which would make Queen Elizabeth shudder in her grave —priest fellows who were married. He had made some inquiry about this, but he had not been able to obtain any information. If he could have got it ho would have been spared the necessity of making the pre sent motion, but as it was he could only term it a gigantic scheme of con- fibial collegeality. It was not very likely, therefore, that any of those fellows would choose to leave their domes luxor in Dublin for a waste parish in the wilds of the west. The science taught in Trinity College was mathematics, and for this he was ready to acknowleige the university had obtained a European reputation, but in divinity he was sorry to say the eminent examples were few and far between. The corporation consisted of a provost, 7 senior fellows, and 25 junior fellows. The senior fellows received about 3,000/. a year for their services, and the juniors about 1,500!. What their duties were he never could exactly make out, but he be lieved that they were precisely in an inverse ratio with their emoluments. By the fees for tui+ion, the college had an income of about 28,3161., and from the rent of land in Brunswick-street and the neighbourhood, there aas an income of 21,684!., making in round numbers 50,000/. a-year. And what was the object of all this, but to support Protestant ascendancy ? Now, he did not think that this was in any way meeting the requirements of the people of Ireland. Acade mical professorships in Trinity College were open to Protestants of all nations, whilst they were closed against the Irish Catholics. A few night ago, the Right Lion. Baronet at the head of the Government pronounced a glowing eulogium upon Dr. Cave, who certainly was one of the first lecturers in Europe ; but yet this very Dr. Cave was unable to fill a professorship in Trinity College. A Frenchman and a Spaniard were eligible, provided they were Protestants, but an Irishman was ineligible because he was not a Protestant. They talked a great deal of repealing the penal laws, and their de sire to put down ascendancy, but they kept up an odious ascendancy in Trinity College. It was their bounden duty to extend the provisions of the Act of 1793, and admit Catholics to participate in the honours and profits lof the university. A Commission had been appointed to inquire into the Scotch universities. Why not into the Irish ? The Right Hon. Baronet said there were peculiar circumstances in the case of Ireland. So there were circumstances that should compel inquiry into the Dublin University beyond any other. And if the House declined to interfere, he did not think the Royal hand could be more usefully employed than in giving consent to a Royal Commission to inquire into the state of that college. Such an act would do credit to a Sovereign who, whilst she rivalled Elizabeth in the ability to rule, infinitely surpassed her in all the softer and more re fined attributes which adorn the sex.—(Cherrs.) Mr. NI. BELLEW seconded the motion. He saw no reason why a test should exist in Trinity College, Dublin, any more than in the Scotch universities, where it was virtually abandoned. It was of no ute to attempt to blink this question. Sooner or later this Church question must come on, and they might therefore as well settle it at once. There was one point beside, which he desired to bring before the notice of the House. And it was this. He held that it was the policy of the Government to do as much justice as possible to all the people of Ireland, except so far as it might touch the Church. Now this attempt to ex clude the Roan Catholics from the advantages of the corporate property in Ireland would prove a vain one. The Government might think that it was wise to keep this property in an exclusive position, but such was not the opinion of Edmund Burke. In 1798 he had stated that no large measure could ever be successful which did not do away with those religious distinctions, which had been the curse of the country, and he trusted therefore that no attempt would be made to persevere in this system of exclusion. He wished to say one word before he sat down, e 1:h reference to the Landlords and Tenants Commission, and all he would say upon that subject was, that the destitution existing in that country was beyond all calculation. The suggestion of the Right Hon. Baronet a t the head of the Home Depart ment of a royal commission would at once meet all the circumstances of the case, and he believed that the pre sent Sovereign would prove in no way inferior to Eliza beth in providing for the education of Ireland. Sir THOMAS FREMA NTLE said that he re gretted that it was not in his power to accede to the motion of the Hon. Gentleman. The Hon. Gentleman had made a very humorous speech, and had evinced that he had made very extensive researches, and had touched on a vast variety of topics. If he had made out any case of a malversation of the funds of the college, then indeed there would be some reason for inquiry, but no such grounds had ever been attempted to be adduced, and he must therefore be obliged to resist the motion. The great front of the offence appeared to be that the fellows were allowed to get married. Mr. OSBORNE—AII the fellows ? Sir T. FREMANTLE—He believed only the senior fellows. But, whether only the seniors or all, the princi ple was the same. Now, without going into any length ened inquiry on this subject, he must contend that the circumstance in no way affected the course of education which was given at Trinity College. Then, again, with respect to the Church patronage, he felt compelled to express his dissent from the assertion that thatpatronage was unwisely employm d. And again , with regard to the income of the College, the Honourable Member appeared to have gone on very insufficient data or the conclusions at which he had arrived. The Honourable Member had stated that the income of the College was 50,0004 and that the emoluments of the senior fellows was as much as 3,0001. a year. Now, from the inquiries which be had made, he was induced to believe that the income of the richest fellowship was not more than 1,700/. a year. Yet, even if it were 3,000!., which it was not, there would still be no impediment to the good education of the pupils, and he believed that no objection was felt against the emo luments which the professors enjoyed. Then, again, as to Protestant ascendancy, why it might as well be said that they were supporting Catholic ascendancy by in creasing the grant to Maynooth from B,OOOL to 26,000/. a year. And as to the exclusion of Roman Catholics from the college, it was well known that Roman Catho lics did go there, were educated there, and were thankful for the education they received. Respecting the suppo sition that Roman Catholics were excluded from the ad vantages of the scholarships, all he had to say was that there was a case at the present moment pending in the Queen's Bench in Dublin, in which a Roman Catholic member of the University, who had passed his examina tion, was suing to be installed in a scholarship. Should that decision be unfavourable, an Act of Parliament might be necessary ; but until the decision of the Judges was made known, it was at least premature to accede to any motion such as that before the House ; and con. calving that no sufficient ground had been made for pass ing it, he should certainly give it his decided opposition. Mr. ROCHE said that the Right Hon. Baronet, who had just sat down, had stated, thatincztee:, s veßentnoeiaft,hine decision of the Judges of the Court of Dublin being unfavourable; that Par liament would be necessary. That wasall ttectve;f thing he wanted, and why not pass an Act at once? The Right Hon. GentlemabntnhesaidbySecretary his Right i Rfoirlt Hon.relan had referred to what had been and Learned Friend the Member for Dungarvon about Catholic ascendancy. But the Right Honourable Baronet ought to r ':member that though they desired that the Roman Catholics of Ireland should be educated, they had no desire to establish an ascendancy of Roman Catholics over the Protestant Church there. It had been asserted over and over again that the College of the Trinity in Dublin was open to all sects and classes. This was a fallacy which could not be too frequently over thrown. It was not the case. The Roman Catholics were admitted on the same footing as Protestants ; and he therefore contended, with other Irish Members, that, since they would not withdraw any part of the funds of that college for the purposes of education, the Government should at least build another college on more liberal principles, and give the same extent of classical learning to the students who might be entered of it. The professors of Trinity, in the anatomical and other chairs were required to conform to the Esta blished Church of Ireland. Now he should like to know what difference the being a Catholic should make in anatomy, natural or moral philosophy, or other chairs, unconnected with theology in that college. He thought that every Irishman who really loved his country would be anxious to see all these restrictions removed, and without it, he thought the reconciliation of that country could not be accomplished. Mr. HAMILTON assured the House that there was no indisposition on the part of the fellows of the Uni versity of Dublin to give her Majesty's Government any information on the subject of these colleges, but he thought this motion had its origin in a hostile spirit, as it certainly emanated from a hostile party. It had OF clock, Cour fed by everal thitt rived ; once od for there a the n ative ho, he 3cular of o f 11 ), to o !"015 ie" at led by aable— o t oo 4 I