The Sun. — London, England, 1851-05-20 00:00:00

GERMANY " I' appears from this document that neither prayers, preaching, or teaching in the Icalian language has ever been resorted to, ror in any other language, with refer ence to Tuscan subjects. That no Tuscans have either been invited to enter, or encouraged to frequent, the Pro testeet church, excepting the police authorities sent there by the Tuscan Government; end I am further au thorised to state, that no Protestant books have ever begin translated, printed, or circulated among Tuscan subjects with the sanction of the church in question. " Such being the state of the case, I trust your Ex cellency and the Tuscan Government will entertain the same conviction as I do myself, that the charges which have been brought against the English Church have no real foundation, and must have been caused by some cenfuaion and misunderstanding of the truth, as I feel convinced that it is, and always has been, the sincere e desire. otgaattreligioue institution to conform entirely to the regulation required by the Tuscan Government, from which it has never deviated.—l seize this occasion, &e. (Signed) "P. CAMPBELL SCARLET." The select vestry of the church have given a distinct denial, seriatim, of the allegations contained in the letter of the Tuscan Minieter for Foreign airs. They state that no custom has been introduced of making prayers or readiugacatijuhisms in the Italian language, and that no language had been used in the church ministrations save the English. VISCOUNT PALMERSTON TO THE RIGHT HON. R. L. !MEM. " Foreign-office, Feb. 3, 1831, " Sir—l have received Mr. Scarlett's dispatch of the 20th ult., enclosing copies of a correspondenc e with the Duke of Casigliano, respecting an unfounded accusation brought by the Tuscan Government against the parties concerned in the management of the affairs of the British chapel at Florence ; that they conducted the services in that chapel in a way calculated to alienate the minds of Tuscan subjects from the Roman Catholic faith. I have to instruct you to say to the Duke of Casie liano, that her Maje.tte 's Government trust that this correspondence will snow the Tuscan Government that they ought not to place too implicit reliance on the aecret information, which : may reach them; and you will also say, that though the pspers inclosed tder Mr. Scarlett's dispatch are satisfactory to ejet Majesty' s G overnment, as s h ow i ng t h at th e ~.Eiah residents at Florence have strictly com passe with the con di t i ons on w hi c h perm i ssion was ff e iv t e h n er % the establish men t o f a P rotes t an t c h a pel, s ajesty's G overnment cannot disguise the pain ul insPre eon which they have received from the into lerant spi r i t which is manifested in the Duke of Casig liano's Communication, and which affords so remarkable a prevei C"trm w there lib era l and enlightened system which ls in t United Kingdom, in regard to the exer cb atese ef religion Ps ke belief.—Y eu w ill g i ve a copy of this dis e of Casi g li ano.—l am, &c. P to the (Signed) " PALMERSTON." DANGEROUS AT Ti s ki EVENING. POLLOCK L AsT C/ N THE REV. MR. La,t evening: a remarkable ratliack was made in St. Mark's Church, on the Rev, under the fol lowing circumstances: — On the col utn °l , l°ek i at seats. For an the expiration vice two men entered the church and toot; seats. the sere hour the service proceeded quietly, b ut of that time the individuals in questio b 1 1 wai n , reat:ess and wandered annoyingly up and down the aisle. Mr. Boyd, the clerk, in order to preserve decorum, the ordered them either to sit down quietly or leave church. Instantly, one of the men rushed to the a i the and, opening the door, with a stick in his hand, P a u t g e it t : Mr. Pollock twice on the back. Mr. Pollock, on ' ob serving the man ascending the pulpit stairs, i n . caired who he was. The prisoner exclaimed, with !lelenee, that he was " God Almighty." Great :,,fe_ltereent instantly pervaded the edifice. Gentle. . - pe — r a he roae• to theirfeet and ladies screamed, and seldom, any A has a scene so remarkable been witnessed in of eo 'ee devoted to sacred purposes. Mr. Pollock, urae, received ' men and violent atm officials of the congregation, and, after a from the p j t T t e, the madman was carried forcibly . . butidi:ig, Mr. 7 , , ,, d , conveyed to the exterior of the perfect calmue,„ Pollock resuming his sermon with n b u ct ty arrived, and the 'circPosure. _ A police-officer the station was pinioned and con ductact in custody to by 4 ) arge concourse of a station in High-street, followed eu -street spectators from the congregations ot St. Mark's and Great at both places baring ternurngaeted - Chapel, the services shortly after the occur recce, On arriving at the atati t o:reTaserea of strong re piacedrrain the prisoner from, pres .';1 on were found nree ssory un u d r htiv b r b i o s n is a a n n d d 1 viekcce, and handcuffs were rcpt..; round his icet. Subsequenti;, f rom the Dispensary, visited Boller the pri-. 1 Mr. Talbot, m suspected, it Boller ; and although at first insanity is now believed that the act of violence to brain fever. After sonic time had °l e i l '''' traced pri,preer, who sra'ed that his name japsed the. position,' ' Rcxtiurgh, resid - -.44,423, Grafton-streeta, master shipwrir,ht, w 4 0. 1 Ott aa,thp Dispensary. A --- , -e1 ; ~,,,, Fenger was ),, ,i , , , a ti i m-40 2 14 . wife with his Ilia ccruPaQlgDy. - I.' '''.,k a i!, 7 4 ,', .rfrevcre at least of a sus : picieus ,:h to ilie. a.. - , ' ~... ,", il ... ea' ut it was not thou g ht petit ary. to dated, bin... ' . 1 " happy to state that the R;v. .Mg...pb____cac ,: l i k ,'• , y manner injured.— Liverpool ilibftaisiektei :' ; ''' ' . .., .. • - -....., --- Mr. Asa Vifki .'; ,s, e . , : ar,,, , laki, bad an Av.P ' -. 'wfa_ Vr••• derist the •Foie' • , ifiiipi.`* - ' , • -•— :. , .1 .nd Mr. C.D. Archi. luaerbtort, on Sztur. Accounts have been received from Frankfort to the 16th. M. von Rochow, the Russian Envoy, was to leave that city on the evening of the 17th for Warsaw. No sitting of the Diet for other than formal business was expected for some days. No date bas been fixed for the dissolution of the Central Provisional Commission of the Bund, now practically superseded. The garrison of Frankfort has not been increased, nor had any troops been concentrated round it; but the several States had agreed to put two-fifths of the Federal military contingent on such a footing that it could be put in motio❑ within eight days. BRITISH PROTESTANT CHAPEL AT FLORENCE. The following correspondence has taken place between the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs and her Ma jesty's Minister at Florence, on the subject of certain charges brought by the Tuscan Government, to the effect that the British chnel at Florence has been con ducted with a view to making prosely tea to Protestant worship:— THE HON P. C. SCARLETT TO VISCOUNT PALMERSTON. (Receivd January 28.) " Florence, January 20, 1851. "My Lord,—A charge has been brought against the British Protestant Church at Florence by the Tuscan Government, of having been in the practice of teaching . Taman subjects the doctrines of the Protestant faith in the Italian language, and of adopting other practices . specified, contrary to the ecclesiastical regulations and laws of Tuscosy. " I have the honour to inclose a copy of a note re ceived on this subject from the Duke of Casigliano, and of my reply to that note, which last contains a refute - tion of those accusations, grounded on a letter, a copy of which .1 also inclose, which has been addressed to me by the church vestry at Florence, by which your Lordship will be convinced that there has been no sort of foundation for making the accusation. " Since sending my reply to his Excellency, I hav e been informed both by him and by Signor Landucci, that the explanation I have afforded appears satisfactory, and that it is possible the Tuscan Government may have been misinformed by their own authorities. " Your Lordship will ob!er!re that it is now the ens• tom for the police to attend inside the Church o n S un d ay, " The Duke of Casigliano stated to me in conversa tion, that orders had come from the Prussian Mission at Rome to sanction , the Tuscan Government in prohibit lug the pastor of the Swiss Church at Florence from preaching in Italian to Tuscan subjects who have for some time been accustomed to frequent that church, the . practice in future, he said, would be forbidden.—l &C., (Si gne d) "P. CAMPBELL SCARLETT." Da' "Florence, January 9, 1851. "M. le Charg6 d'Affaires,—Her Britannic Majesty's . representative at' Florence, applied to the Grand Ducal Government in 1838 for permission to open under his - protoction a private chapel for the purposes of Anglican worship. The Tuscan Government complied with the request of the Minister of England, on the condition, however, that this chapel should be wholly and exclu sively private, which was moreover the natural result of the public law of. Tuscany, in which there exists a state religion protected by the State. " The Grand Ducal Government has now been in formed that in the Anglican chapel in the Via del Maglio, all those who desire to take part in the service are freely admitted, and it is even known that the custom of pray ing and catechizing in the Italian language has been in troduced there. Many Catholics, Tuscan subjects, im bibe there principles and sentiments contrary to the dominant religion, and publicly propagate the same. "The Tuscan Government is deeply sensible of the duty of not tolerating such an abuse, and of opposing a state of thins which, combined with other effects made of the same character and with the like object, would infallibly lead to the weakeniogof the Catholic religion in Tuscany. " Accordingly, I deem it my duty to acquaint you, M. le Chargé d'Affaires, that if the abuse which I have pointed out to you is continued, the Grand Ducal Go • vernment is resolved to adopt all the measures which shall be necessary to prevent Tuscan subjects from taking part in the religious ceremonies of the Anglican chapel.—Receive, &c., (Signed) "LE Due DE CASIGLIANO." THE HON. P. SCARLETT TO THE DUKE OF CASIGLIANO. " Florence, Jan. 16, 1851. " M. Le Ministre,—l have delayed until now to reply to your Excellency's note of January 9, relating to the charges brought by the Tuscan Government against the British Protestant Church at Florence, for supposed interference with the religion of the State, by the adoption of certain practices specified by your Ex cellency's communication to me, and alleged to have been sanctioned by that establishment. " I had the honour, in conversation, to observe to your Excellency, that I apprehended it would be found, on due investigation, that the accusations advanced were groundless and erroneous, and that the Tuscan Govern ment had been deceived and misled in this matter, to the prejudice of the British church in this city. ‘• In this belief I was not mi-taken, and I have much satisfaction in inclosing to your Excellency the accom panying statement, drawn up by the committee appointed fur the management of the English Church, to whom I forwarded a copy of your Excellency's note. "In this statement, signed by the secretary of the coalinitt,e, and addressed to me, every point in your Excellency's note has been answered seriatim, either by a direct denial of the facts imputed, or by an explana tion which cannot Out prove satisfactory to the Tuscan Ga vein went. ELECTION COMMITTEE. HARWICH. The Committee sat again yesterday, and proceeded with the objections on the part of the sitting Member to the votes polled by Mr. Crauford. On the conclusion of the scrutiny the room was cleared, and on the parties being admitted, The CHAIRMAN announced that the Committee bad determined that Mr. Prinsep, not being duly qualified in accordance with the provisions of the Ist and 2d Vic.. cap. 48, entitled " An Act to amend the Laws relating to the qualification of Members to serve in Parliament," was not duly elected for the borough of Harwich to serve in the present Parliament, and that the last election was therefore a void election. THE SIIN, LONDON, TUESDAY - EVENING, IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. On the motion of Sir W. HAYTER, a new writ was ordered for Claokmannan and Killross, in the room of. Sir W. Morrison, deceased. PETITIONS. Mr. ANDERSON presented a petition from the Shetland Islands complaining of the burdens upon land. Mr. JOHN O'CONNELL.presented several petitions ,from , Limerick and Dublin, andother places in - Ireland, against the 'Ecclesiastical Titles Bill. Mr. COWAN presented a petition from Edinbargh in favour of this Bill. , Mr. FRESHFIELD presented severarpetitions from parishes in Lincolnshire to the same effect. Mr. COWAN presented petitions from Edinburgh against the Distilled Spirits Bill, stating that they had never been consulted with respect to the . Bill now before the House, and ;that the Bill as it now stood would be injurious to their interests. • Mr. CORBALLY presented several petitions against the Eva siastioal Titles Bill. Mr. REYNOLDS presented petitions to the same effect from the undermentioned placest—Bray, in Wick. low; Tburles, Tipperary; Killskeery, Tyrone; Lisburn and Hillsborough, Down and Antritn; ,Dunabate and Portrave, Dublin; Hilcar, Donegal county; Clones; Monaghan ; Tessuagh, Tipperary ; Tallinghohegby; Donegal; Anghabery, Monaghan; Xillnippe and Dun` sany. Meath ; B a lly n d err y, Tyrone and Antrim; BetAi. naskill. Galivay; St. Nicholas Without, Dublin; Dublin Cemeteries Committee (which on the motion of the Hon Gentleman was read from the table); Dunnuly, Leitrim; Bridgetown Garrybarry, and Ktlle,boe, Clare. Mr. JOHN ,O'BRIEN presented a petition from the Chamber of CommerCe of the city of Limerick, praying that . the Towns Improvement Bill be suspended till the wards of that city be reconstructed on the principle of the Dublin Improvement Act ; also a petition from a public meeting of the ratepayers and citizens of Limerick, praying that the Towns Improvement Bill, with certain modificationa,:may pass into law. I Mr. R. M. FOX presented a petition from the comity of Long‘ord against the Ecclesiastical Titles Bill, which he moved should be read at the table of the House. I The petition was then, read by the Clerk at the table. SEWERS ACT. Lord DUNCAN wished to ask the Right Hon. the Secretary of State for the Home Department when he proposed to bring in his new Bill respecting the Com missioners of Sewers ? Sir G. GREY could not name the day now, but ample notice would be given of it beforehand. DINGLE WORKHOUSE. Mr. REYNOLDS asked the Chief Secretary for Ire land a question respecting the investigation held in the Dingle workhouse, county of Kerry ; and whether the Protestant chaplain, and other paid officials, alleged to have bribed Catholic paupers to become Protestants, are still continued in their respective appointments ? Sir W. SOMERVILLE said an inquiry had been in stituted into the matter by the Poor•law Commissioners, and it had transpired that they had been in the habit of distributing small sums amongst the Protestant inmates of the Dingle workhouse, but it was more for the pur poses of charity than anything else. Mr. REYNOLDS wished to know if the Hon. Baronet had any objection to lay the paper relating to that before the House? Sir W. SOMERVILLE had none whatever. THE CAPE OF GOOD HOPE. 31r. HUME asked the Under-Secretary for the Colo nies whether he would have any objection to lay on the table the last dispatch received from the Cape respecting the expense of the Kafir war? Mr. HAWES said if the Hon. Member would put his question to-morrow he would be in a position,to give an answer. In reply to Mr. ADDERLEY, Lord J. RUSSELL said it was the intention of the Government to appoint assistant Commissioners to pro. ced to the Cape to inquire into the affairs of Kafraria. Mr. ROEBUCK wished to know what powers the Commissioners would have to make peace with the Kafir tribes? Lord J. RUSSELL said Sir Harry Smith was Chief Commissioner.—(A laugh.) VISITS OF GOVERNMENT OFFICERS TO THE EXHIBITION. Mr. HUME said he understood it was the intention of the Government to give leave of absence to dockyard servants for six or ten de,: s to enable them to come to London to see the Exh►bition, and he wished to know whether the Government were to pay their ex penses; and also, whether they would have any objec tion to extend the same privilege to other public servants? Sir F. BARING replied that the Admiralty had given have to the officers employsd in the dockyards, who were anxious to attend the Exhibition, to be absent two days in London, Out they did not propose to pay their expenses either in coming up or in returning.—(Hear.) ECCLESIASTICAL TITLES BILL. Mr. MOORE presented several petitions from Ireland against the Ecclesiastical Titles Bill. Mr. SPOONER presented two petitions against Papal aggressi.n. Mr. ROCHE presented several petitions from Tip perary against the Bill. Sir JOHN YOUNG presented several petitions from the county of Durham to the same effect. Mr. W. Miles from Gloucestershire, and Mr. Hope and Sir John Trollops from Hants, presented petitions to the same effect. Dr. POWER presented several petitions from different places in Ireland against the Bill. Mr. KEATING and Mr. LAWLESS presented several petitions, the latter, chiefly from Clonmel, against the Bill. Mr. SADLEIR also presented petitions against the Bill. Colonel CHATTERTON presented a petition from Cork in favour of the Bill. Several other petitions were presented in favour of and against the Bill. The House then resolved itself into Committee. and on the motion being made to proceed, Mr. REYNOLDS rose and said, that he moved that the Chairman do report progress, and ask leave to sit again.—(Loud laughter from all sides of the House.) Gentlemen might laugh at such a motion, bUt they should recollect that when the House last sat upon this question an understanding was come to that the First Lord of the Treasury should decide before they sat again as to thecourse which he intended to pursue with regard to this Bill. It was quite evident that no such understanding had been come to, and that no course had been adopted which was at all likely to lead to the settlement of the question.—(Hear, hear.) Members might cheer, but those who were most ready to give that ironical notice of their feelings, might be of a different opinion when they came to hear the reason which be had to adduce for thus moving that the Chairman should now report progress. Ho bad care fully studied this Bill, and had been somewhat asto nished at the form which its several clauses had assumed. The understanding not having been carried out, he felt himself perfectly justified in the couse which he now pur sued, of moving that the Chairman report progress. It should be recollected that this was not the first Bill or even the second Bill, for it was entirely a different Bill from that which had been originally introduced. The Right. Hon. Baronet at the head of the Home De• partment had voluntarily abandoned the second and third clauses of the Bill, but he had retained the first. During the course of the debate the Honourable Mem. ber for Midhurst, Mr. Walpole, had placed a notice on the books which materially affected the whole subject. By that arrangement the whole of the evil was still con tinued, and the first clause contained all the mischief. That clause he called the Walpole clause. There was also another clause of the most insulting nature to him and his co-religionists, namely, that clause which the Secretary of State had manufactured out of the proviso which had been originally introduced to exempt the Scotch Episcopalian bishops from the operation of the Bill. That was what he called making " fish of one and flesh of the other," and he would like to know whether the Noble Lord would introduce just such another clause for the benefit of the Roman Catholic bishops of the United King dom. Another reason for his making this mo tion was, that there were several amendments which did not apply to the Bill in its present shape; and would it not, therefore, bo reasonable to permit the CLI3irM3II 0 sport .prcgreu, in order to enable Ron. HOUSE OF COMMONS, May 19. The SPEAKER took the Chair shortly before Four o'clock. THIRD READINGS. The following Bills were read a third time and passed : Midland Railway (Extension of Time, &c.). York, Newcastle, and Berwick Railway (Branch to the West Durham Railway, &c.). Taw Vale Railway and Dock. CONSIDERATION OF BILLS. On the motion for considering the Chorley Water works Bill, Mr. CARDWELL. on behalf of the corporation of Liverpool, complained that the promoters of this Bill had departed from their original Act of Parliament in the appropriation of their capital. The corporation of Liverpool petitioned against the present Bill, the object of which was to raise additional capital; but the Com mittee, acting under the impression that the corporation could apply to one of the courts of law to redress the grievance which they complained of, refused to hear them. Now it so happened that the promoters of the Bill had so framed their original Act as to preclude that appeal to a court of law, and therefore, unless the House at this stage inserted a proviso to the contrary, this Bill would trench upon certain works of the Liverpool corporation and seriously injure the rate payers of that town. He moved the insertion of a pro viso to that effect. Mr. CHRISTOPHER opposed the proviso, and, as Chairman of the Committee which sat upon this Bill, defended the course that had been taken by that body. This Bill simply authorised the Chorley Water Works Company to raise an additional capital of 12,000/. to carry out certain works which had already been sanc-. tioned by Parliament, and the Committee were at a loss to know bow it could injure Liverpool, Mr. HEYWOOD supported the Bill, and fully coa -1 curred in the decision of the Committee. After some further discussion, in which Mr. W. Brown, Mr. Thornely, Mr. Brotherton, and Mr. Greene took part, the proviso was withdrawn. The Bill was then considered and agreed to, as were also the following Bills: Liverpool Docks (Alteration of Management, &c.) Midland Railway (Purchase of Leeds and Bradford Railway, and Increase of Capital). Midland Railway (Regulation and Increase of Capital, &c.) Weston-super-Mare Improvement and Market. HARWICH ELECTION. Mr. K. SEYMER, brought up the report of the Harwich Election Committee unseating Mr. Prinsep, and declaring the last election to be void. _ NEW WRIT. LIFE IN CALIFORNIA. We have been favoured with the following letter from a young Englishman, who has lately visited California : Faramncoinstcho, sinceCaliai for la a M r , riv a e r d ch in l4 s . an the Af terthe differe ntttime e an a d nd m l o a s h t ou im r ptobrattani it Fr l a t nc i i si sco n . " D n u ' r le i aS n ra g iny that time I have been busily em- F n lze s cl visitingn California. l bad cost me to reach this country, I fully expected a l that nothing could repay me ; but I am agreeably surprised, and consider that I am now amply re warded for all my troubles. Even as a commonplace traveller, I find in California a wide field of interest. The strange conglomeration of society; the practical results of an experimental system of self-government;. the peculiarities of a constitution, framed not so much on the models of others as from individual causes and local necessities, are things which no other part of the world affords such perfect specimens of as California. Political economists and funded proprietors speculate on its immediate influences; while philosophers, on the other hand, prognosticating its ultimate destiny, look upon this country as the means of advancing civilisation and propagating Christianity from the eastern to the western shores of the Pacific. Without, however, indulging in any such lucubrations, with which I have but small concern, 1 content myself with the ordinary avocation of gratifying curiosity and of being amused. On entering the bay of San Francisco, the first object that strikes one is the enormous mass of shipping. Lon don and Liverpool are of course beyond comparison, but with the exception of these, and perhaps New York I know of no other port which contains so great a number of vessels. The town itself is equally remarkable. When one reflects that eighteen months ago a few scat tered tents were the only habitations in the place, one looks with amazement on the city, which is daily in creasing, and which already numbers over 30,000 in habitonts. The site of the town is a steep sandy hill, but Yankee ingenuity is rapidly removing this inconvenience by levelling the hill and filling up the bay. The greater number of the buildings are upon piers stretching into the sea, and a lot of 80820 40 feet square of "water surface" is worth about 5,000 dolls. In the very centre of the town are several large ships, dis masted and roofed over. Their strange looking broad sides are decorated with the signs of different shops; and as they form a portion of the regular street, one wonders, at first, what eccentric characters have taken the trouble to paint their houses with two black stories and a white one in the middle. Already there are several theatres, a French vaudeville, and one Italian Opera! And notwithstanding the strong national propensity of the people for business, one of the principal features of San Francisco, and indeed of every town in California, is the gambling houses. They are never closed and they are always full. It would be difficult to give you a correct idea of these infernal re gions, or to describe the strange scenes which daily take place in them. Picture to yourself enormous rooms, gaudily decorated, filled with some 400 or 500 people of all classes, without distinction of age, rank, or sex. " Mont 6," " Faro," " Rouge et Noir," are the favourites among an endless variety of games. The tables are co vered with money, surmounted with ornamental lumps of gold and bags of dust. At one end of the room is, of course, a bar; at the other is a band. The excitement of the play, the effects of the liquor, the influence of the music, and, above all, the confusion of languages is, as you may imagine, what the Yankees call " some " Everybody is armed, from the ruffian who transfers his treasures from the mines to the gambler's table to the frail fair one who relieves the gambler's pocket for the benefit of her own. Four times since I have been here—l wonder that it has happened no oftener—diff,rences of opinion, concerning, no doubt, points of honour, have been summarily dis cussed and as summarily di tided in these places by vir tue of a " five-shooter." Three times out of the four the survivor, experienced the pleasures of that prompt decision which they had so warmly advocated. In less than six hours after the quarrels the law of Judge Lynch had done its work and order was again restored. Such is life in a new country. Leaving San Francisco, I took my passage in a steamer to the city of Sacramento, a large town, about 150 miles up the river, which bears the same name and situated at the extreme point of inland navigation. A day or two at this place sufficed to disgust me with a re petition of the scenes I had witnessed in San Francisco. Accordingly, by the first opportunity that offered I took my departure for Marysville, which, from its vicinity to the various branches of the Sacramento river, is the grand depot for all the miners of the wet " digging " in Northern California, and consequently a point of interest to a sightseer. After spending a pleasant even ing with the editor of the Marysville Herald—who by the-bye happened to be a genuine cockney, serving the city of Marysville in the several capacities of editor, play-actor, concert-giver, and auctioneer—l started the next morning for the "Forks of the Yuba." A few hours' ride along the Spurs of the Sierra Neveda brought me at last within sight of the gold hunters. Two or three hundred men were at work upon what had formerly been the bed of. the river. By the law of mutual agreement each miner is en titled to a certain portion of this " bar," as it is called, in which the gold is found. And as the precious metal cannot in such diggings be separated from the soil without the process of washing, the allotments are mea sured by 30 feet on the bank of the river and so far back as the bed extends—thus giving to each man his fair allowance of water. Generally speaking the original possessors have long since made their fortunes and sold their claims to others for large or small sums, according to the richness of the soil. The result is that these claims are now falling into the hands of small compa nies of three or four, who, in their turn, will sell them, as immigration increases, to companies of six or eight, and so on, till the individual gains are so small that the price of labour falls and the capitalists become the sole proprietors of the mines. Where three or four toge ther possess a " claim" each attends to his owe de partment of the labour—one loo,ens the soil, another fills the barrow or cart, a third carries it to the river, and the fourth washes it in the " rocker." If the dust is very fine, quicksilver is afterwards used to col lect it from the black sand. Fur the most part the mining is above ground—i. e., the depth of the soil is seldom more than six feet above the rock. In some places they are what they call " coyote digging ;" these produce the same kind of dust, and are worked like coal mines, having shafts sometimes as deep as 60 feet. The average weight of gold made by each miner throughout the " wet diggins," or diggins where water is used for washing the gold, is nearly Itoz , or 7 dolls. a day. To give you an instance, however, of the amount of metal in the soil, which I had from a miner on the spot:—Three Englishmen bought a " claim," 30 feet by 100 feet, for 1,400 dells. It had been twice before bought and sold for considerable sums, each party who sold it supposing it to be nearly exhau , ted. In three weeks the Englishmen paid their 1,400 dolls., and cleared 13 dolls, a day besides for their trouble. This " claim," which is not, an unusually rich one, though perhaps it has been more successfully worked. has produced in 18 months over 20 000 dolls., or 5,0001. worth of gold. After all one had heard of the dissipated habits and questionable characters of the miners, I was prepared to " rough it" during my visits to the mines, and when I found myself about to pass a night in a small tent designated the " miners home," in which over 40 of these gentlemen were assembled to drink, board, and lodge, I cannot say that I anticipated much plea sure in the prospect of sleeping four in a bed, or being at the " rude mercy" of a " crowd" of which I was the only one unarmed. But, strange to say, I never saw a more orderly congregation, or such good behaviour in such bad company; and the only thing that disturbed my, peace was that one night the bunk iti which I slept, not laeing . sufficiently strong to sappOrt its unusual bur den, yew' edin the middle, and deposited its contents on the ground. I returned to San Prancisao, and thtmace I went to the "dry diggins" in the south. The ,c ountry is here truly_ beautiful, and, unlike the plains in the great valley of the Sacramento, is exceedingly fertile and capable of producing unlimited resources. Evemin the present drought its valleys are watered by frequent rivu lets, while throughout the arid nature of the soil, corn , bined with the uncertainty of the seasons, will prevent that Paft of - CalifO rn ia ev e r becoming agricultural. Its mi neral wealth* perhaps, the greatest in the world. 'The stroy the'Pre quart; rock, which is supposed to be the only permanent 'i t :n .3 from which, gold will eventually be derived, ex ofuratrdiel. and south for more tbart:a degree and a half the quicksilver mines, now rendering from 3, ooo i b a ncl • to 4,0001 b. of metal daily, . threaten to de sessing several Mariposa, i n Ti t r: monopoly of the Rothschilds. At .district of the quarts, h a society pos mchineriteas" have established, at a great ex pense, . 04 crushing the rock. They employ 30 men, whom they the rate of 100 dollars each a month. This somet; se 1,500 dolls. a day. This making a clear gain of w6 h r zw . you what is to be ex pected when capital sets to P ta rzrortion of metal is resent, the g ahe in the country. It is at difficult to say what the average to the w p h r ich opo i r s ti a o l n l t o h f e q y ua w r o tz tk ; taking only the richer part, represented by 15 or 20, and the quartz by 1 00, m a kin g about one-fifth metal; and it is ascertained that one fifteenth will pay. So much for statistics. T • might en ter more fully into de sil t I think th, or I migh a t enlarge eon asiderablyt y4d pretty nearly °ng e eer:ol views;enough of t e one, and I know that you are better wher e so much able than lam to perform the rest for yourself. I n du limited space of a letter it is di fficult, may be said, to say what is interesting - and to leave un said what is not interesting; and more particularly i n writing to you it is no easy matter to make state ments which, however new to moat people, you most probably are already conversant with. The interest, however, which must be felt concerning California, and the little that is at present known about it, must be my (4 ' l 3' apology for so great a trial on your patience. Imagin e how anxious I ern to hear some news, when I toll raZinnetrhi4cao,idand you my last letter from England is more than nine o h p a o v s e e returning relinquished by the States instead. On the 15 th the idea of South I leave this by steamer fo r Acapulco; from that'paint'_l,rhall ride , through Mexico, and (D.V.) The prisoner was not able to pay the penalty, and he was therefore removed in the van. CLERKEIV WELL. Placido Cornoti, an Italian, who was described in the police sheet as a picture-frame maker, of 3, Summer street, Clerkenwell, was charged with having violently assaulted and stabbed at police-constable Ward, N 0.141 G division; and Mary Slater and Mary Collins were also charged with having assaulted the officer and at tempted to rescue the prisoner. Ward, whose head was bound up and who was much injured, deposed that yesterday morning, at about two o'clock, he was on duty in Warner -street, Cold Bath fields, Clerkenwell, when his attention was attracted by a noise, and on proceeding to the spot he found the pri soners, who were hooting and disturbing the whole neighbourhood. He remonstrated with them, and urged them to go home quietly, when the man turned upon him and abused him. Witness took him into custody, on which the female prisoner rushed at him and at tempted to rescue the male prisoner. Police-constables 244 and 270 G came to his assistance, and they suc ceeded in apprehending the prisoners. The male pri soner was exceedingly outrageous, and fought and kicked at witness and knocked him down. He then took a knife from his pocket, swore he would rip him open, and made a stab at witness, but mischief was prevented in consequeuce of the point of the blade coming in con tact with his belt, which was cut. Constable 244 G confirmed lis evidence. When he saw the prisoner take the knife from his pocket, deli berately open it, and make a stab at Ward, he (witness) struck him on the arm with his staff, and he dropped the knife. 270 G gave corroborative testimony. The prisoners denied the charge. The male prisoner affected ignorance of the English languor, until the woman Slater said she had known Mr. Cornoti for the last four years. She met him on Sunday night, when he asked her to have something to drink. Mrs. Collins and herself accompanied him to a public-house, where they drank together, and they were only anxious to get him home. Mr. CoMBE—Did he invite you to drink in the Eng lish langueg.- ? Prisoner—Yes, Sir, Mr. COXBE—Then he understands English? Prisoner —Oh dear, yes Sir, quite well.—(A laugh.) Mr. COMBE said it would have no good effect upon such a fellow as the prisoner to inflict a pecuniary fine. He would therefore sentence him to one mouth's impri sonment, without fine, in the House of Correction. The women were sentenced to pay a fine of 20s. Cornoti was taken from the bar and bicked up. SEABORNE MAILS. [N signifies that the mails are sent from the General Post-offie• by the night—and M by the morning —dispatch.] When made up in From what PLACES. General Post-office port die- When London. patched. due. America (by Brit. pkt.)N l May 23 Liverpool..• May 27 America (by U.S. pkt.) N M a y 27 .• • • Liverpool . M ay 22 America (by IT S. pkt.) M May 21 .. ,Southampt. Africa (West coast).- N 14th of the month Plymouth June 3 Alexandria* ........ N 19th & 30th of mo. , Dover .. May 18 Belgium • . N Daily .. Dover .. Daily Brazil .. • .. M 9th of the month 'Southampt. June 12 Buenos Ayres M 9th of the month ! Southampt. June 14 Califomia(viaChagres)M 17th of month ISouthampt. May 20 Cape of Good Hope N 14th of month(Plymouth.. June 3 Constantinople* .. • • I( 7th 17th 27th of mo Dover • . May 20 Central America .. M2d & 17th of mon. , I B outhampt. June 5 Channel Isles N Mon., Wed., &Fri.lSouthampt. Ta. TILS a Chili .. .. • • . M 17th of the month ISouthampt. May 20 France M N , Twice daily .. .. Dover • • Twicedaily Greece* .•• • N 7th 17th 27th of mo Dover • • May 20 Hamburgh .. N Tuesday & Friday 'London Tues. Sat. Rolland .. • • .. 31,Wednes. & Satur. London Men.Thyr Honduras . N 17th of the month Southampt. May 20 Ireland .. ••M & N Twice daily .. .. Holyhead .. Twicedaily India (via Southamp.) 31 20th of the month , Southampt. May 23 India (via Marseilles) N, 7th& 24th ofmonth Dover • • Arrived Mediterranean (via Southampton) .• M 20th of the month Southampt. May 23 Mediterranean (via Marseilles) .. Nlth&24thofmonth Dover • • Arrived Mexico .. M2d of the mo n th.. Southampt. Jane 5 Madeira .. • • .. M 9th of th e month Southampt. M a al p t l a e June 12 8 19t1a,27 1 Dover M ay 20 th Ns:* ..15 7' t t h h3' 1 1th ° s 7t t h h 'of month 2sthormoiDover .• May 22 Papal States▪ * .. 1 1 1, 5 th 15th 25th ofmoiDover .• May 22 Peninsular.. • • .. M 7th 17th 27th of mo S outhampt. May 24 P eru • .. • • M;l7th of the month Southampt. May 20 T uscany * N sth 15th 25th ofmo Dover .. I may 22 West Indies .. M 17th of the month Southezapt•lMay 20 West Indies (except Havanna & Nassau) M 2d of the month .. Southamet_ of month Naples* /*T,5tl2 15th 25th ofmo' Papal States* 1 5 1.1115 th 25th of mo Peninsular.. 7th 17th 27th of mo Peru .. • • M;l7th of tho month I Tuscany* .. N sth 15th 25th ofmo West Indies M 17th of the month West Indies (except Havana & Nassau) M 2d of the month ~ * The mails to those countries thus marl French packet via Marseilles. CararoxNu..—Mails to and from Californil are now despatched and due by every Amerii 'Sonthampt. /June cad (*) are conveyed by la, via the United State [can packet. ROYAL COLLEGE or SURGEONS.—The following gentlemen, having undergone the necessary, examinations for the diploma, were admitted members of the College at the meeting of the Court of Examiners on the 16th inst.:-- Messrs. William Tait Carr, Aberdeen; Frederic James Caldecott, l'orking, Surrey; John Wilde, Islington; William Warwick, Belfast r Henry Simpson, Cheater; Henry Power, London ; Ebenezer Moore, Islington ; Edwin Wilson, Hyde, Cheshire; Richard Wellinga, Ravenstone, Leicestershire; Albert William Hanford, Nottingham; Francis Trevelyan Buckland, Deanery, Westminster; Ed ward George Wake, Hull; Henry Cornelius Thomas, Vaux hall-road; John Fountain, Cowley, Middlesex; and Alfred Carpenter, Rothwell, Northampton. Admitted on the 16th inst : Messrs. Thomas White, Chester ; Edward Long, Dublin ; Frederick William Waders, Chesterton, Hunting donshire ; George Brennan, Cork ; Nevill Jackson, Stam ford, Lincolnshire ; Edward Rails, Tunbridge, Rent ; Thomas Britton, York; John Davis, Sunderland ; Jacobus Silverman, Middlesex place, Paddington ; and Lancelot Armstrong, Camberwell. ment of curat es SEQUESTERED BENEFICES.—A Bill has been brought into Parliament to amend the law relating to the return. wh ate3q:_estration of benefices for debt. If a benefice is segues tn o r t d r, Under the existing law, the bishop of the diocese has that several passing of the Act ; set apart more than 2001. a year for the pay .cas etao:sellchuaersgtreatthi sequestration ministerialhav have taken place duties. la e since n From th the are of considerable value:wii ' en w " mad t provides thar in all cases at Parliament, where elsiet Parliament vaearbnaedln escfiohem l ue a re s c t whoyehfseit.achrhe these eh a xle p ive p eiß e ne a gdi r lssl s ti o on 40/. for a t he ear debts o f an yin value shall he rea f ter be put under sequestra may, if he thinks proper, ded'unictbelit inc e' the bishop of the diocese payment of a curate or corat ea " half the income for the do es comec t e d yak the F.>s ith. tO discharge the spiritual 1 before the end of the summer I shall be again in Eng land. And you may be sure I hall not be sorry when I can exclaim with truth. "Jucundiacti labor es." POLICE INTELLIGENCE. WESTMINSTER. A gentleman applied for a summons against an omni bus conductor for deceiving him with respect to the route of his carriage. The trick was one of a more than ordinarily disgrace. ful character, the gentleman, who is evidently a stranger in London, having been taken a considerable distance in the omnibus in a direction diametrically opposite to his destination. The applicant hailed the omnibus in St. Paul's Churchyard, and inquired whether it went to the Colosseum, and upon the conductor informing him that he could put him down very near it the gentleman got in, and after riding some distance was set down at Chel sea Church, near Battersea-bridge, the conductor point ing to a turning and telling him to go up there. The gentleman did so, but after proceeding some distance, ascertained upon inquiry at a tradesman's shop that a gross deceit had been practised upon him, as he was at least three miles from the Colosseum. Having subse quently ascertained the conductor's number, he applied to the Lord Mayor, who referred him to this court. The clerk was about to take the gentleman's instruc tions for a summons in the usual way, but it having been previously held by Mr. Burrell that where the traveller is "deceived" at the time of getting into the carriage, and "undeceived" when he alights and discovers the disgraceful trick that has been practised upon him, he should apply for his remedy where he was imposed upon, he considered it his duty to call the gentleman's atten tion to the circumstance of the false representation having been made in St. Paul's-churchyard, which, ac cording to the above view, would be the place where the offence was committed, when Mr. Burrell expressed his opinion that, although the charge might be viewed as a continuing offence within his jurisdiction, the case was one especially within the Lord Mayor's district, and re ferred him back to his Lordship. The gentleman, who was actuated only by a desire to protect the public, expressed, as may naturally be sup posed, his concern at discovering there was so much dif ficulty in the matter. WORSHIP-STREET. Thomas Bates, a powerful blackguard-looking fellow, was brought up before Mr. Hamwill, charged with being concerned with several men not in custody in the follow ing brutal attack upon Mr. Josiah Mason, a tradesman in Goswell-street. The complainant, accompanied by a friend, entered a public-house in the Kingsland-road to procure some re freshment, after a walk, on the preceding evening, and there saw the prisoner and four or five other men drink ing at the bar. Two young women also entered a few minutes afterwards, one of whom was showing her foot, which had been injured, to the other, when the pd.- sonar's wife interfered with them and made use of some filthy expression, and upon the young woman expressing her resentment, she struck her such a violent blow in the face that her eye became swollen and black. The complainant reproved the prisoner's wife for such an un provoked and cruel attack, and was immediately set upon by the prisoner and his companions with such ferocity that the landlord was obliged to interfere for his protec tion, and the whole gang were ejected from the house. There they made such a disturbance and uttered such vindictive threats, that the complainant, his friend, and the two young women were afraid for a long time to leave the house, and were at length let secretly out at the pri vate door; but they had no sooner got into the street than they were discovered by the prisoner and the other men, the former of whom rushed upon the prosecutor and struck him down by a violent blow in the face, while his wife and the four other men beat and kicked him about the head and body as he lay upon the pavement in such a brutal and savage manner that, as one of the witnesses expressed it, "he was completely covered with blood, and appeared to be perfectly emaciated." The screams of the women, and cries for the police from several of the neighbours, ultimately brought up several constables, who rescued the prosecutor from further in jury and took the prisoner into custody, but his com panions effected their escape. When called upon for his defence the prisoner said that he had been struck first by the complainant a blow on the mouth which knocked ou t one o f h i s teeth, but he acknowledged that he had no witnesses to corrobo rate his statement; and this being positively contradicted by the complainant and another witness, who declared that if he had sustained such an injury he must have re ceived it in the course of his being ejected from the house by the landlord and his assistants to protect the plaintiff from his violence, Mr. Hastsma., after commenting severely upon the prisoner's outrageous and wanton conduct; ultimately consented, at the instance of the Complainant, to adju dicate upon the case summarily, and sentenced the pri soner to pay the extreme penalty of 51., or, in default, to be committed to the House of Correction for two months. MAY 2O, 1851. Members to have time to see what those amendments really were? The many-tongued animal the press had lately bee❑ devoting great space to the proceedings of what was called the Irish brigade, and remarked on the dearth of talent in the Irish ranks, asking where were the Currans, the Grattans, the Sheridans, the Plunkets? He might well retaliate, and pointing to the Treasury bench, ask where were the Foxes— (Laughter) —the Burkes, and the Pitts? He was one who liked precedents, and if they were reproached for wasting the time of the House, which they had not yet done, he would refer them to an edition of Lord Brougham's speeches, edited by himself, for the course which was taken by the party to which the Noble Lord now at the head of the Government belonged, in 1816, for the protection of the people of this country. H-ving read the opinion of Mr. Brougham, when he was a Member of the House, relative to the propriety of of fering every description of opposition to an obnoxious tax, that example being set by him, and having had his approval after the lapse of upwards of twenty years. He should be glad to know whether it was fair or reasonable of the Noble Lord, and those who acted with him, to taunt him (Mr. Reynolds) and those who voted as he voted, with wasting the time of the House, because he merely did what their bad policy had given him permission to do. He trusted the Noble Lord would not object to the Chairman reporting progress. He wished to offer no factious opposition to the Bill—A laugh)— but simply wanted to have time to consider the Bill, in its altered state. If such a concession were made by the Government, a great deal of time and trouble would be saved. He therefore felt justified in moving, as an amendment, that the Chairman now report progress. Sir GEORGE GREY said he would leave it to the consideration of the Committee, whether the course pursued by the Hon. Gentleman was or was not in ac cordance with the understanding which was arrived at by the House on Friday evening.—(Hear, hear.) He trusted that the House would not be led into the discussion of the different topics to which the Hon. Gentleman had adverted. Whatever might be the ob ject of the Hon. Gentleman it could have no other effect than to prevent the House adopting the arrangement of Friday night. viz., that they should proceed with the consideration of the clauses of the Bill. The Earl of ARUNDEL and SURREY seconded the amendment. Mr. ROEBUCK said that there were such stringent regulations in that Bill that if they were to be per severed in they would call into question all the tenets of the Roman Catholic faith.—(Hear, hear.) and cheers.) This was not the same Bill; it was a new Bill, and therefore it ought to go through all the pro cesses of a new Bill.—(Hear, hear.) It was not the Bill at all which the Noble Lord had first introduced. It was altogether a new Bill.—(Hear, hear.) He confessed that he was not able to understand it.—(Hear, hear.) The Noble Lord had, with all his constitutional earnestness, pressed the Bill upon the House, and yet what had been the effect ? Why, that the Bill had been entirely changed. Did he then ask for anything that was unrea sonable? Nothing of the kind. He only asked for time for deliberation. The Ministry, with a large ma jority at their back, might, it was true, press for a consummation of their designs; but, to say the least of it, it was evidently unconstitutional, and he should therefore vote for the motion.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. GLADSTONE regretted equally the motion and the necessity for its being made, but it was evident that a great change had been made, not only in the Bill itself, but in the spirit of the Bill also, causing it to become altogether a different thing to tha , which it formerly was. Within the whole course of his Parliamentary experience, he hap never met with anything equal to this, and he did there fore feel that they had no right whatever to enter upon legislation on this subject until they had had advice from the first law officers of the Crown. Any gentleman might get up and introduce words which would altogether alter the tenor and the force of the Bill. How then could they proceed ? This Bill contained three operative clauses; of these three two were rendered void. What would they do if his Honourable and Learned Friend the Member for Midhurst had attacked the Pope's brief itself. He said that that brief was in itself invalid, and quite illegal, in this country. This proposition the Ministry had adopted, and it was therefore plai❑ that nothing could be done soundly at least without that legal advice of which they now steed so much in need. Was it not also known to the House that there was another rescript from the Papal authority for the division of the Roman Ca. tholic diocese of Ross, which was now separated from the diocese of Cloyne. Ace rding to this measure that rescript would be also void. He, therefore, hoped the , the Noble Lord (Lord J. Russell) or the Secretary of State for the Home Department (sir G. Grey) would in form the House as to the legal character and bearings of the present Bill; and he also wished to know whether the excluded clause would be brought back to the Bill, and whether, if so, it would have the retrospective fore. of aneulling the past rescript of the Pope, and also of de feating the late episcopal jurisdiction in Ireland, to which he had already adverted? Lord J. RUSSELL said the Committee had two ques tions to consider which ought to be kept separate. The first was the question of the Hon. Member for Dublin. who had moved that the Chairman should report pro gress and ask leave to sit again; and whatever the Noble Lord the Member for Arundel might say, he could not agree to that course, because he had no security, when they came on Friday next to consider the Bill, that the Noble Lord might not, without any factious motive, pro pose that the Chairman should leave the chair; and thus they would be in no better position than they were at the present moment. The Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Gladstone) took another course, and said that in going into a Bill of so much importance as this, especially when the first clause was not originally in the Bill, but had been lately introduced, some member of the Govern ment ought to explain the general scope of the clauses and what would be their practical effect; and he (Lord J. Russell) would not deny, if the other questions wore disposed of, that it would ba fair, when they came to read the clause, that the Attorney•-General should explain to the Committee the view which he took of that clause and what would be its legal effect. The Earl of ARUNDEL and SURREY understood that the agreement came to on last Friday night was, that there should be no division on the motion of the Speaker leaving the chair, but that there was no farther pledge given on their part; and he should add that, when the Noble Lord stated that there was no security for a legitimate discussion, there existed a right for every Hon. Gentleman to avail himself of all the forms of the House against so obnoxious a measure.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. ROEBUCK contended that the present was a new Bill altogether, and that it was nothing but just and fair that its principles soould be considered. Sir R. H. INGLIS admitted that the law officers of the Crown should explain the nature of the new clause, particularly as that clause was as improvement in the B=" Mr. P. HOWARD said that, if the Government ac ceded to the suggestion of Mr. Gladstone, then Mr. Reynolds might with great propriety withdraw his mo tion. It they obtained from the law officers of the Crown a full and distinct explanation of all the bearings of the measure, they could reserve their opposition till it had reached a future stage. Mr. HORSMAN said that if the Hon. Member for Dubliu would withdraw his motion so as to enable the statement to be made by the Attorney-General, in ac cordance with the suggestion of the Right Hon. Gentle man opposite (Mr. Gladstone), to which the Noble Lord had acceded, the Hon. Member would not be in a worse position tha❑ he was at present. As some misunder standing seemed to exist as to what happened on Friday last, and as he was present on the occasion he wished to observe that the statement of his Noble Friend behind him (Lord Arundel and Surrey) as to the arrangement entered into on that occasion was correct. The Hon. Gentlemen who were concerned in the arrangement stated, on that occasion, that they agreed to the Noble Lord's suggestion, on condition that on Monday they would not be bound by it, beyond the question that the Speaker do leave the chair, and to that condition the Noble Lord assented. Lord J. RUSSELL observed that what he had stated was, that when they came to the first clause the At torney-General wonlil make a statement with respect to the bearing and legal effects of that clause. That did not touch the question of the preamble. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE thought that if the motion of the Hon. Member for Dublin was within the strict let ter, it was not within the spirit of the arrangement. That arrangement was that no opposition should be made to the Speaker leaving the chair; but having agreed to the Speaker leaving the chair, what possible use was there in demanding that ho should be put into it again immediately, for that was the object of the motion of the Hon, Member for Dublin? He thought the Hon. Gentleman ought to allow the first reading of the Bill, and on the question that it be read a second time the Attorney-General should make his statement. He thought the Noble Lord had hardly kept faith with the House. For having before Easter called on all lion Gentlemen who had amendments to propose in the Bill to place them on the paper, and that after the Easter re cess he would state which of them he would accept and which reject, the Noble Lord, on the House assembling after the recess, stated that he would not accept the amendment of the Hon. Member for Midhurst. Yet the Noble Lord had sent the Attorney-General to the Hon. Member for Midhurst in order to " cook up" a new Bill with him; but it appeared they could not agree upon it. However, as the House did not know at the present mo ment where in the Bill the Hon. Member for Midhurst meant to place his amendments, that of itself consti tuted a ground for asking a few days' delay. He sug gested that the Hon. Member withdraw his motion, and that they should at once have the statement of the Attor ney-General. - Mr. B. ROCHE took the same view of the arrange ment of Friday night as the Noble Lord (Arundel and Surrey). Mr. KEOGH said that the arrangement had been made between him and the Noble Lord, and if he con ceived he were violating the spirit of that arrangement in supporting the motion of the Hon. Member for Dublin, he would not vote for it. But he was convinced that that motion violated neither the spirit nor the letter of that understanding; neither had the Noble Lord ac cused them of such a thing, bet the Right Honourable Gentleman (Sir George Grey) hinted it. What happened was this. He asked the Noble Lord to consent to the re -printing of the Bill; the Noble Lord at first refused, and the House now saw that he (Mr. Keogh) had just and reasonable grounds for that request. The Noble Lord afterwards consented, on condition that on Monday he should be placed in the same position with respect to the Bill as he was then; ho (Mr. Keogh) agreed, pro vided that he and his friends should elso be put in t h e same position —namely, that on the Speaker leaving the chair they should make every species of opposition to the Bill that they deemed expedient. That was the arrangement agreed to, and he insisted it had j them. As re. I not been violated in spirit or letter by garded the proposition just made by the Noble Lord, he which had all eady been decided? He wanted to know underst'od the Noble Lord admitted the j us ti ce o f t h e w h et h er t h e , same effect would he produced by the Bill,. Right Hon. Ge n tl eman ' s (Mr. Glad stone's) appeal, for as it stood th en , as was i ntended b y the Bill as i t me he had said that if t h ey took one step, it was but right , naily stood. His supposition, o f course , was immaterial, that he himself or th e A ttorney General should make a but he certainly supposed that the first clause would statement. Now the Chairman of Committees had just have that effect. informed him that it was necessary to move that the Bill The SOLICITOR-GENERAL explained that the . be read a first and secon d t i me, because of the alterations objection which led to the withdrawal of the second made in it; but that if it were the same Bill it would not clause was, that it had a retrospective effect of a den be necessary. The Noble Lord had adopted is great por- gerous character. The Roman Catholic prelates of Ire tion of the Hon. Member for Midhurst's amendment; land said, that under what they conceived to be the con let the Attorney-General then make his statement, aid struction of the Act of 1829, they had retained the ec afterwards let them adjour n th e question to Friday next, cleeiastical titles, which were forbidden by that Act. in order that they might h ave an opportunity of fully They considered that they were quite right in so read' e considering the provisions of th e B i ll as amended. The ing the Act, and therefore requested that they might bep Noble Lord had undertaken to h ave the Bill reprinted, left in the same position as it placed them in. Now but it had not been delivered to Hon. Members until late (the Solicitor-General) entertained great doubt as . u to , that morning. On that ground alone they were entitled whether they had acted rightly under that Act; but to have it adjourned, whether that were so or not, if these prelates were right; Iti Mr. WALPOLE said that he had given notice of his under the old Act, they would eernitme to be so 11 amendments on the second reading of the Bill; and and if they were wrong under the old Act, they would,._ they had been put on the paper before the Easter re- be equally wrong now. All that had been conceded in . cess, so that it could not be with justice said that the striking out the second clause. If the Pope could pro' House was taken by surp r i se with respect to those teed, let them proceed. There was no clause there he amendments. Alter th e E aster recess th e Noble Lord prohibit him, and as it was matter of doubt whether ne, stated that he did not object in principle to the first could legally proceed, he was entitled to the benefit et clause, which he (Mr. Walpole) proposed, for that it the doubt. was in substaece already contained in the Bill. He Mr. GLADSTONE said the Hon. and Learned Ger; (Mr. Walpole) met t h e A ttorney - General by accident in tleman had not answered his question as to what w 0?,,, the street, arid spoke to hi m on t h e su bj ect o f hi s he the effect of the clause, not with reference to Iri sh. amendments, wondering that the plan therein suggested but English sees. o lish had not been adopted by the Government. On the foie The SOLICITOR-GENERAL replied that Eno ~, lowing day he had a conversation with the Attorney- Rumen Catholic bishops would stand in precisely tu d : General on the subject of his amendments, a portion of same way as the Irish Roman Catholic bishops stoe o which the Government objected to, and another poi.- If Irish bishops were right English bishops tion they did not object to. But, until he came down be right, hut he had his doubt., • s in on Friday last, the Government were under no arrange- Mr. M'CULLAGII said the Pope's proceeding f went with him either to reject or accept them. How relation to the bishopric of Ross was not the first case of there could be any such compromise, he could not the kind, for in the diocese of Galway there was It new. understand, for he approved of the principle of the Bill, bishopric, created under precisely similar circumstances' and he could see nothing objectionable in an Hon. Why, then, was that case not taken up if the act 5 " Member who supported a Bill communicating with the illegal? He did not think the Hon. and LearnedG eu : would al Attorney-General, who had the conduct of the Bill, in tleinan had answered the Right lion. Gentleman's tlnf s a order to see how far any amendments he meant to pro- tion, whether the subtraction of the second and third pose in the Bill were objectio n abl e or no t, clauses was a real cha r g e , an d w h ether the retention f o Mr. T. DUNCOMBE—It wa s th e Nobl e Lord himself the first clause really did not tend to invalidate every who had stated he bad sent th e Attorney-Gen e r a l to the act done by Roman Catholic bishops since their appoint' Hon. Member for Midhurst. went and the passing of the Act of 1829. There w el l Lord J. RUSSELL—The Hon. and L earne d G ent l e- very grave doubts on this point raised by the u: 115 Man had said very truly that h e h a d met t h e A ttorney- learned authorities in the law, and it therefore behov ed General by accident, and the latter bad most properly the legal advisers of the Crown to grapple with the doubt!' told him (Lord J.Russell) that he had some conversation and to decide the question at once —to decide it, a l l with the Hon. and Learned Member for Midhurst with , fact, in that House.—(Hear, hear.) The House ought respect to his amendments, but he did not wish to corn- to know whether it was the Bill of February, of Maro s ' k municate further with him without his (Lord J. Russell's) of April, or the fourth Bill, a combination of the ot' e c , authority. He (Lord J. Russell) did not give him any Bills—the Bill of May—they were discussing. explicit directions on the matter, but gave him his autho- deal with the doubt he had referred to on broad grollc k , e t city to communicate with the Hon. and Learned Gentle- and h© hoped the House would require its clear solution' Man respecting it. If violations of the Act of 1829 had occurred, why wer e He wisbed d t , Mr. HUME said the question was, whether the ex la- they suffered to sleep up to this moment? If the prese nt . nation asked for should be given on the motion that the Bill was not a persecuting Act, why were the doubt: preamble be postponed, or on the first clause. It ap- about the first clause not cleared up? With respect to peered to him a matter of very little importance on which the Bequests Act, he contended, though it did not repeal After was given. After a few words fro m M r. S . CRAWFORD the Act of 1829, y e t having been recognised by Govern' Mr. MOORE remind e d th e H ouse that the Hon Mem- , meat and by Sir Edward Sugden, such a recog aitio . amounted to a virtual a b negat i on o f the Act of 1829' ber for Athlone had a noti ce on t h e paper of a motion Whatever the words of th e B equests A ct, t h ey mere with respect to the postpo nement of the preamble, and it really and actually i n t en d e d to g i ve val i d i ty to what bad ment of ', was quite impreamble nowossible therefore to acc e d e to t h e postpone- been done by the Roman Catholic bishops, even thong" it was in presumed contravention of the Act of 1829. Il e ! Mr. REYNOLDS would not enter into any explana- wanted to know what were to become of Noes' tion respecting Friday night's arrangement, as it had granted to bishops in trust, and to their successors? . 1 : 1 , e , been already explained by the Hon. and Learned Mem- believed that question had not yet been dealt with in 11 ' ber for Athlone. He was prepared to withdraw his entirety. Th e wa y in which the cla use wou ld o perate motion only on the specific understanding t h at t h e At- would not so much punish as it.; corney-General should be permitted to ex pl a i n the Bill reseed to d—as it would operat e aga i nst the wishes as amended and after that explanation was ma d e, that u the usurper o f titles,shes au1)10 u intentions of the pious an d h um bl e R oman Catho li c . no turther progress should be attempted by t h e Govern- The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said this was 'e ment with the Bill until Friday. the place to discuss legal questions—(oh)—but he wa g Lord J. RUSSELL could nut agree to the proposition quite ready to state his opinion in explanation of the of the Hon. Gentleman. The amendment was then negati v ed w ith ou t a division, question in i ssue . H owever learned and specific In° opinions o n th e quest i on obtained by the Hon. Member , The amended Bill w as th en rea d a fi rst an d second time. he must tak e l eave to doubt that such mischief as ha d On the question th a t th e been stated w ou ld fl ow from the measure. The effec P reamble be postponed, of the clause, as he had already stated, was to put 6 Mr. REYNOLDS moved that the Chairman report certain class of trtes'ees und er t h e operat i on of the Act , progress. 10th Geo. IV. N ow , h e woul d ask whether any fatal The Committee then divided, when there appeared— mischief had hitherto resulted from that Act? Practi - For the amendment ... ..• ... 46 tally it had not, and he should say that the wording of Against it ... ". ... ... 262 that Act might fairly be taken as a counterpart of the Majority ••• .•• . -216 result and operation of the worki ng o f t h e present nsea- The preamble was postpo ne d accor di ng l y. • sure. If money were to b e l e ft f or the purpose of en' On the first clause being p ut f rom t h e cha i r, (lowing a bishop r i c , an d pro hibi ted titles were used , The AT FORNEY-GENERAL, understanding it was then he agreed that the operation of the inea" the general wish of the House he should make a state- sure would effect such a bequest—but if the be' went of the legal effect of the provisions of the Bill, quest was left in different terms, then diffe' felt it to be his duty to do so on the present occasion, rent consequences would follow. If, in contra - In the first place, he totally and entirely disagreed with vention of the law, a bequest was made in terms which those Hon. Members who said that the Bill was a new an Act of Parliament declared should make such bequest Bill. The only clause to which he proposed to attach illegal and void—then the party so leaving the bequest any observations, in the first instance, was the first must take the consequences of his own act. If the clause, as that was the clause alleged to contain certain bequest were left for charitable , h matter which made th e Bill a new measure . H e was purposes even thong , left in an illegal form, a court of equity would only look nowever, prepared to show that this clause effected no to the intentions of the testator. If titles were used in alteration whatever in reality in the character of the relation to persons who were to carry out the intentions Bill; but that, on the contrary, it left that measure sub- of the testator, which were illegal, the Court would still stantially the same as before. As the Bill stood before, give effect to the intentions of the testator. The Court the preamble recited " tnat whereas certain of her Ma- would not let an incorrect designation interfere with jesty's subjects, by virtue of a pretended authority of the the leaving of money for charitable purposes. So, there- See of Rome, had assumed titles out of provinces, diu- fore, the present measure would not be attended with ceses, and towns in her Majesty's kingdom s ." It then the mischief which had been predicted, and the opinions went on to refer to the Act 10 Geo. IV., c. 7, in which of the legal persons to the contrary would not be found was to be found an enactment providing against the as- to be correct. The Act of 10 Geo. IV. had been in ope sumption of any such style or title as regarded pro• ration 22 years ; that Act m a d e th e assumpt i on o f t i t l es slices and dioces es a l rea d y occup i ed by the Church of by Roman Catholic bishops illegal, yet bequests had from England, making it an offence, uud affixing thereto a that time been made to Roman Catholic bishops for cha penalty. After this, it proceeded to recite that the at- ritable purposes; and he would ask, had there been found' !tempt to establish such style and titles having been made, any practical difficulty or inconvenience in adminis cdeciared it expo heat to prohibit such assuusptioto terieg those charities? If there had been, let the fact and then went on to recite the penalty fixed in the he brought before the House, and it would be dealt second clause as applicable to the case. The well at once. Bet no difficulty or inconvenience as second clause made the assumption of titles not included yet bad been felt, and it was therefore not reason in the 10th Geo. IV., c. 7, illegal; in other words, it able to expect that it would be found with regard placed provinces, cities, and towns not appropriated by to the Be quests Act—that i 4, provided no violation of the hietablished Church on the same footing as those in the law gave invalidity'to the intentions of the testator. that Act, subjecting those who took such titles to the Ile would remind Hon. Gentlemen how cautiously the same penalty as was provided by that statute. The other Act had been framed—the words were, " exercising or clause—that originally suggested by the Hon. and officiating within the district." This would apply to Learned Member for Midhurst—was the clause which it the class of cases under discussion, because it was e•sen was suggested created a new Bill of the measure. But tial that the religious intentions of her Majesty's Roman that clause was purely declaratory. It embodied only Catholic subjects should be properly carried out. The the recitals in the preamble, which went to say that cer- Bequests Act was carefully framed, so as to leave the tain persons had done a certain thing which ought to be Roman Catholic bishops untouched so long as no in prevented; and it merely asserted that this recital should fraction of the law was committed, by giving to theta be held legally valid. The first clause, which was sug- titles by law prohibited. This, however, was not the gassed by the Hon. and Learned Member, might strike place to enter upon an elaborate legal argument; he, the House as superfluous, but a great desire had been ex- however, thought it advisable to state his candid opinion pressed that itshould be adopted to mark the sense of the on the question. country on the subject. There was an invasion—and it Mr. NAPIER said that when the proper time arrired was desired that there should be a declaration of Parlia- he should be fully prepared to answer many of the argu ment on the subject to go forth to the world. It ap- meats which had been offered in opposition to this Bill. peered to him (the Attorney-General) to add nothing to Mr. M. GIBSON said that as a great deal of doubt the Billeas far as punishment for the offence was in quee. seemed to be entertained as to the operation of this Bill, don, or as far as the penalty was concerned, while it it behoved them at present to introduce such provisions gave a more solemn form to the declaration. As into the Bill as would obviate any future misinterprete d was no hardship, and gave some satin action to a tion. At present a Scotch bishop was exempt from the great number of persons, to vindicate the national consequences which attached to the same offence in Sovereignty, there could not, in his opinion, be any England and in Ireland, though for what principle he possible harm in adopting it. The Bill, however, was could not tell. On the 26th of October, 1851, the lie) new Bill. The clause was only wha t it purported to clauses submitted to the Roman Catholic School Com be—a recital of the preamble, and giving it more expli- mittce by her Majesty's Committee of Privy Council on ei tly. With regard to the second clause, it had b een Education recognised in terms the Roman Catholic already so much thilellisede that he could not understand t ishop of ecclesiastical districts which was a subject how any person could fail to see its bearings. It that &w ended explanation. The priest so ordained is amounted to this—th a t the Act 10 Geo. IV., which now to menage the religious instructions of those schools, applied in terms only to titles already appropriated by and no priest is to interfere who is not authorised by the Established Church, was proposed to be applied to the Rom in Catholic bishop of the district. Then, he titles not so appropriated. An attempt was made to said, that if the Privy Council actually agreed to that parcel out England into provinces and dioceses by an in November last, after the Pupal brief had boen pub authority which had no foundation in the constitution, lished, does it not seem monstrous that now they should and to assume titles and dignities as arising out of these be legislating to fine a man a hundred pounds if he divisions, at the instance of a foreign power. The clause called himself a Roman Catholic bishop of a distriet?-- proposed these titles should be void; and that the places (H ear , h ear .) A n Act more complex and difficult from whence they pu r p orte d to b e d erived should be put than this to understand , he , hak never heard. in the same category as th ose p l aces referred to in the Sir FREDERICK T SIG ER begged t o reca l t h e before 10th Geo. IV. It did no more an d no l ess. And when House to the question ef E. ore it, which was, whether the it was urged that this clause would interfere with the preamble should be.dpeorsetsothnradafsear fnuerwthßerilei.onsTidhe;ati objecto.n? operation of the Charitable Bequests Act, the simple He had never considered co w a lt; to enable ' them thi to la,ve a f ful h le e r ch.s answer to that allegation was, that the 10th George IV. of this motion on this Bill, or did not interfere with it, and this clause applied only to rather shou s ld p b o e rti aolnlo of Bill. suggest that they w to pro titles not included in that Act. He (the Attorney- He was of wouldHcuessi p at ienc e of cee m d r t . o 1 t t o h e c discussion ll said thatof the the p General) should be trifling with the time and the House if he added another word to the legal explana inion that this Bill had tion which he was called on to give, as, after the long op Bill, but u no greater scope than the discussion which the Bill had undergone, nothing new former General and said that P this jumpedclause e Learned Solicitor could be said by him on the subject. than anything in the old new was more powerful Mr. P. HOWARD contended that the Bill was not have Ireland Now, what ill, and it would extend to it not so, it would would be its effect on the diocese h d tially a new Bill. If were airman. of os? That diocese been read a first and a second time by the Ch diocese s of CI a been for ages united to the h amended Bill was altered. Now,. oyne. He ought to know something about Besides, the date on t e considered that the House that diocese, as it was in his district. The practical the Bill being a now Bill, he by the Go- result of uniting ROSS and Cloyne was, that the spiritual had not been treated with sufficient candour form that morn- cure of the two vernment, who submitted it in a printed almost What did the dioceses Wail carried out more efficiently. d on a discussion of its provisions ey propose to do by this Bill? They pro ! ing, and force posed to renderthe union immediately afterwards. uni of these two oioceses illegal. Mr. K. SEYMER called the attention of the law How could the Hon. and Learned Gentleman t he while the Bill de- Att orne officers of the Crown to the fact, that Y-General, get up in his place and say that the relating to E Glared illegal the bull or letters apostolic h si England, it mita. • • - al all reference to a soul? mar laud for two and twenty years. Practically, it had never which the diocese of Ross been carried • bull or Papal rescript under Ireland. If 1 isi ' into effect in Ireland. The more they bad recently been constituted in 'T a- meddled with this Bill the deeper they would get into wore considered necessary for the • Lion in express terms mire. independence of the national sovereignty upholding the • ly thought it was equally ini. Gibson) was in England, he certain Hon. Member for Manchester (Mr. Milner . adopted for Ireland, where war a very valuable one, that they should now explain how, portent it should be . against the Queen bad actually been levied some station, who were now suffering the penalty of their tholic bishops of districts, they now proposed to fine any man who called himself Roman Catholic bishop of a crimes. The SOLICITOR - GENERAL said the answer to the diocese a hundred pounds. • of the Hon. Gentleman Was simple. Under Lord BERNARD said, the mere question at issue question the Statute Of Prsemunire, acts performed in accordance was, what was the attack of the Bishop of Rome on this with tdeheclared directionsto be of ill Papal rescripts or f ore i gn bulls country? It was a direct attack on the sovereignty of were egal. In the time of James 11. our Queen. Had not he termed the glorious reformation Lalor was punished for such an offence; and since that the Anglican schism? In the early Church the appoint period—although two centuri es and a half bad elapsed went of bishops remained with the people at large. A - f gy and now, country, —up to the recent aggressio n, no subject of the British terwards it fell into the hands of the cler, Crown had dared to act upon the dictum of a foreign in this it had practically fallen into the hands bull. The Foee'a recent rescript, being the first for two of the Crown. What he wished to dwell upon was this centuries and a half; which had practical effect in this —that the family of Stuart being extinct, whose title to country, it was thought proper to declare it, and all acts nominate these bishops was not deni e d, t h e present ap performed by reason of its directions, illegal and void. pointment by the Pope, without consulting the Sove- But it did not follow that because they bad done so in reign, was a virtual denial of the rights ot our present this particular instance, it was necessary to declare all Gracious Sovereign. There was one word more which the minor instruments which followed from the same he had to say upon the isubjt ct. It was said the feelings quarter illegal and void, when they were so by existing of the people were indifferent on t hi s subject. Such was statute, Il e cons i dered the roost dignified course was to not the casein the Ireland; but th ey thought it was a wiser take up t h e monstrous instrument dividing E ngland policy to leave subject to be decided by the Imperial but they felt into dioceses, and having specifically declared its ille- Parliament,,. I gality, to leave all similar instruments to be dealt with the atrocious . attempt of the Court of Rome, and he would give hie su ort to as il legal. 1 . . d . pl ) any efficient measure to re- Mr. GLADSTONE said he could not [tercet . 've that strain tle insidious attempts made against the Pro 'clauses in testant red:site^. this was a declarator clause. Declaratory recital that Mr. T. DUNCOMBE asked the Noble Lord at the legislative enactments usually succeeded a . e inform them Qt .,- - • but here nothing of head of the Government to inform them whae,ciS wishes the state of the law was doubtful, the sort was done. They declared by their Bill, with- were upon th e actual question before them. What did ofthe the the act Noble Lord mean by saying in his Bill that " the out reference to any other matter, that this to said rescript that appeared him Pope was illegal, and he confessed It seemed to him script? le did • - Ile not see it •it was not on the table of the to bea very unusual proceeding. t dwhether 1.1 • How '..3: loss to understand tithe. Deow could they discuss it unless it wets laid that parties would be at a . but if it were a d b fthem?' ` • ' • e- e ore this was a declaratory clause or not, claratory clause, what peed was there for declaring that Lord J. RUSSELL thought it .wavortiaihlarED better ,r, , :lx.:7:l6lwitau eca:rx: . .. ~ .r,i . ~, ;. lai kti fec GI