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~, tessenters %%rift] not tolerate the principla Church c t of is ink a n , ' reverowe . of . three of th h e prelates cf that Established Church• e __, o u i•f the fixed revenue of the eeuntry. 'Their cen- Well, Sir, is not t. st a ease in wh ch any measure duct n that (roes' tn wes in perfect coniesteney with their ,'' - t on t h is It , , ' -. , , . t e,„ o r te s t people —any ineasere that yen can F:opt etuar seet • ' '• -as i " e P 23rie '' '°' a l'''''''' •- e ' vie:' t - • toristitution is it not at. least rn.as_orere thiev were pprfeetly eitietu• nay •nee .o your e ; ., . therefore Cut of the reveries of the e were attil con intent when orpos •• •• • 0, that win thy of \ our consideration ; arid is it not one which you , Le u . 11e hoped that while they lived they wmill continue The r iniens of the should hesitate much befere you reject? p 1.. ~ it,opposition, and be ultimately suCces , ful, but now b e w i s h e d people of Ireland. as far as I can collect them on this su vet, ee rt i l i tt one or two questions to the House curl to her Majesty's appear to me to be that they are ready to receive yeur grant questions, re •se was not fining to put Mellish - lye or impertinent with gratitude. It w uld be the means of conciliating the eons, such as had been put 10 , the Nen. lesiemher for t !Teeth is: of that people. It does net trench on the revenue to north__,arnt•tonshire (Mr. Staffor io' ti,rien ). Ile weg net a oinc of the Pr, testant Church, as co doubt the enajoi sty of this w0 : 1- Z h if the Noble Lord had brought in a Rill whether the's- House would proneunee against . hreakir t ig in en those rove 'vs nelsosed it 1-1 ill 1, 1.-. • h had For the seirpose of a Catholic estate ishme . . ..et It (toes not tsk en 1) . 3 _ - • e wo(not as • w ,eiht it. if ee Hues, , i that , 1 Bill to the hustings, he eeuld have been there : nffen '' ' 3 ' Roman Catholic religious feelings of the clergy, rea ,..._naY to tell the tale, and for the hest of ell i It is not like an endowment of the Roman Catholic clergy, in e ts o n r "a as his Horiourable and Learned Fried th e which there would be great difficulty in the first instance. t 0 ee er would tell the TIHon. Friend the Member for Finsbury, who is, cr i_ • House, that no man was bound le" my I,se inmate himself, but he would tests this question— Were • strange to sav, an ally of my Hon. Friend the Member . for the mo u se—were numberless petitions which had been presented to this • University , f Oxford on this subjeet.—my Hon. Friend the o_utn,"!---were they to be treated as so much waste paper? , Member fir Rnsbury sass, that the Protestant Dissynters are ,` - ': eil lnd they name one instance where so much interest had : ready to ngree that there sheauld be no endowment—that there sovecew:i?need, , or so Many memorials presented, on any one i should he no State Church—that the voluntary principle p et il io t • vid they suppose that to be an answer tothose should prevail, as well with regard to : episcopal establishments u __ seners when i ii they told them that certain persons in that as with regard to the Roman Catholic Church. Now, Sir, iZt a were inconsistent, becau=e they had already voted for this appears highly liberal—it appears to be doing justice to the A jay s no rne small sum —the same annual vote for thesuort of people of Ireland, according to what many of their organs con they : t h — and that that Would be an answer to them w' en shier to be justice, but in paint of fact it is no concession c ty.,_gt-enniplained that their present vote was to endow that whatever, it no practical use can be shade of it.—(Hear, Would , e l • r ever? How miste the Right Hon. Baronet Ip•ar.) L t us 10 . kto what must be the feelings of the p aint . ' . 0 1 , when that should be epeessed a= an answer on this people of Ireland—if you go bandying, from one side Alernber h" were told the other evening In the Noble Lord the to the other this question, without ever coming to a practical thi s e for the City of London, that - he only considered measure of this tort. Supposing we were to say—s Oppose ma 11,7:en:sure acceptable, because it was the precursor to other Hon. Friend were to say—let us abolish entirely the Established ....e va mva : fo r the benefit of theßons an Catholic clerey of Ireland. Church of Ireland ; let everything be voluntary—let us adept He e . e ie ' ta h e ear• ) The same thing hail been stater' by the the .. same great high-sounding princieles—let every man ply a ny °f the 6h•for Newark, it could not be contrs&eted by 1 . h t e religion which he professes, and let so man hate a con be sure th e ;net Ministers that had at. present. spoken To scientious burden, by plying the minister of the religion from !nea t h ad e Right Hon. the Secretary for the Home Depart. which he dissents. Why. everybody knows that the great ma- • tbst scee t told them that the Roman Catholic elerey would jori. yof this House would place a negative on such a proposi ereet it, P h anY pension from the State, and if they would not tion ; and I might say, supposing there was a dissolution of that if t .: w hald not offer to pro,ose it but he did net say this House to-morrow, or at any other time, that those who b e woo . ;' - Roman Catholic clergy were inclined to receive it, oppose Maynotth would not come here f r the nurpo=s of en tea_ _th not beforeine the voluetary principle—yeu would still find a great e l s " that h e w prepared. toffer • e itteseers) ff. 0 in—, o - ern- reso,it against mb er _ • as surprised at the eretiturte that some Web j. . y any demand you might make for . the 14 s expressed for this miserable and paltry grant. He abolition of the State Church. Even th ugh the Ministry d.Ys underste ' 4lneli ned t ' od that the Roman Catholics of Ireland were came forward arid said. " Let us make some endowment for a State, b ut 0 become the lackeys, the slavish sycephants of a small portion of the clergy." Then, supposing my Hen. Friend th e .47 now t h e e s• were ready to prostrate themselves before and those who . think with him were to sneeeed, let the li P h ' efore n t a ima g e which the Right Hon. Baronet was sett - in' ' voluntary principle prevail—let there he no State endowment n.f)ty te nt• - -(Cheers, and 'cries rf " N is ") - They of religion—let every man provide a religion for himself—this 4 f th — Y no, and the Irish :) 1 n. n • State endowment would be reieeted with scorn and contempt „. r ey were so :cpeop.e thismay say no : . ,by the House. But in the meantime what would be the con gratised fo- . boon, If et": 11 hearts w ditioe of the people of Ireland? Why if they found one party 'ltt h e , a,.. were overfl awing with gratitude—why nea r te e t come there and tell them ? Why dirt they i h I '''Y tar. refusing to break in on the Established Church. and another ' 4l ofe se v e so grateful only from those Gentlemen who . party ehselutely refusing any sort, of endowment, what is their iayi.az into uteder the Whigs, and who seemed only to be condttion ? , They would r.tol that only a small minority of the I t leisterial bee he hands of the Tories ? —(Lond cheer. from the people of Ireiand are cared for by :he Legislature of this coun- Z °a t frpta Hops ches• ) He wished to hear from the Irish people. try; they would find that England and Scotland were opposed ad tell the Paner reports ; hut, let them come to England, to the. r se ishes—that vi bother it be in the shape hushed e,etvrnlthat their boon has been received with gratis of an endowment. or whether . In the shape of . a e.'-' HP reland was to be grateful, and repeal was to he vo!t:iriry principle, that which is henefietal to Ireland is li cher% D id had another question with reegard to the peti- toe, eted—they would not consider the different parties, but Ph P e of Ent" t heY suppese that they could answer to the they would say every proposition for our benefit is rejected be 2 .4 ye rg o jgand by telling them they would refuse the the House of Commons, representing Great Britain. . .Sir, if , would h ' 'ne;r petit-rim, because- that •• .' this that is the ease, I say this proposed remedy of the ahnlition of Bill Mi ni are t h _ , the revocation of principle all State eeurcees and the adontion of the voluntary pr. • e tb st ero i s enect of discontinuisg them as her Majesty's ~ , • , ' . ••, - ' • of ra e Peapi e of p d they suppose that that answer would satisfy is tetady iltuso-y. It is de e.., - 7 and defrauding the people te e° nepose e " fi g l and? Whatever the Right Hon. Gentle- Ireland. It is to aav, we e ete tt give you that endowment, , p, 4 t th aa • - m 437 flatter L a t we will abolish all Stan churches. Sir, Ido not agree 44e - .1 would b er themselves, he could assure them , siih whatwas said in t a h e _ ant e deceived.—( Hear, hear, and cheers.) rcon hat w eel to know Dune e a , with respect to the Protestant Dissenters at e ."te es t what was to be done whom, a ir !' e with , ith the petitions? Were they to be of . this country. 1 think they are men to t ,'re he wont ,nnteMgt and as so mush waste If the • with regard to all questions of civil liberty, this th he , (sten th H 3 country is deeply indebted. Ido believe, when questions of k_ were no , e owe to look about it • thought that "Me a d tawherised t • , '. he . equality in p tint of civil privileges were under consideration pe so - -th ey we 0 play these creaks with the prolle of that wishes that. of of E n , re not sufficiently respected erioneh by the ' at th e y were more forward than any men in their all th „gland to do ' '• ' - • their Roman Catholic fellow-subjects should be planed in that 'nett e r arlia so.—( Cheers. ) He would state that ii e _ e _se i nte __ tnents that ever sat, there never was a Parlia- equality. They have taken this coiestitn of State endowments tronta tea' tt th at if t " : "'Y hated and despised.— (Cheers. ) He be- strongly in their minds, and they have likewise thefaith. and k* P l i n e (if E ng!: res''``'Pr''''' i n t n ,„,,,, e , +1 ,• e est religious fee:Legs in favour of the Protestant . d t. tee.liass r• I the religion. But, at the same time, th an the ll" ' e Clentlehtne" would rue the clay. He knew that the a l g!enst dle Roman Catholic o' is further considered by t er n , y uelieyed th en opposite did not believe it any more 1 h , o . believe that when this quesoion the resection of Bills like 4 " heart ' • at the when they see the result f ... the , if the people of England would not break ' e l°, I eland ep ee Y Persev er d y were to go out of office —(Chsers ) tills, • which would beconsidered as an injustme towards r • ears, ait th e owever. in their insults the * * at th 's t ye y traydepend they will feel that it is necessary in some shape or other to it:sp e,eta, e trn walls would come endeavour to remedy the gri.-vanees of that country. le f ‘ ie was teed that this rattling about their For my part, I cannot see without alarm and without pain the , e .. rel„ d _ b ... .is measure would conciliste ti -e , petitions that have been %Rh -h ilt , e old not think that would t nil declarations which are made in the . the religious be th at the and, (the Irish) it laid on the table of this House, with respect to would only e s e e nd nr rn, and despise them, part of this question. a 9 si x - , t, and and that would Established Church, and by sod e Month s ~ 1 they would be exactly as they w that sented by the ministers of the were there go v t Preh ea ' s ." . n .ess they came forward and had . - the Protestant Dissenters, without deeply regretting some great telct n _ Ise lan, whereby Ireland shauld be so strong a feeling, and I should say, sech un be! fr o , thn, Pincifile s of Proiestantism.wasHnee longer to be just prejudices respecting the Roman Catholic religion.— ' t ,tree nt th.. _ght Hon. Baronet the Secretary fo wa t s h glad to (Loud tries of " Hear, hear.") I say so because at the time th e let th en _ e(eathere was to be a religious equalit r i f "'me when that measure. called Roman Cathel . c Emanci thelnet wholethe'utr what that equality was to he y n wh rela h n n el ti ation of Par pation, was brought under the consider same te a l th l a , plan of the Government? Hei Y lament, the same statements were made. theC 1 tho p erel eat J e ,"Pnti . the table of the House theirwould ask charges acainst the Roman Catholic religion. Roman . at tod iree;444o,trznoeatirie in Ireland. They ought, lpan for lies were designated idolators, followers of Anti-Christ, to ,_,d vr onee b e bills, in order that those G tl al'° ' t( ! ) . "e ether such degrading apperations, which I shall not fatigue th e 'net th ey "Judges e Gentlemen from I.' eY Oro • a whether the Gov he House by repeating. The question of the Roman Cathod eae ir s t e.. names,. The Right ernment would act up lie Relief Bill came before the House of Lords. I have looked h e n !mister of h - Honourable Baronet e e Salt e d the tee Crown told them that i• • • the , ugh the speeches spoken by our prelates on that occasion. the w anted - they the ecclesiastical authorities both for and against the measure, and I cannot see in se .. . secl e e • t ° kno w , 14nted curtest author' i whether heilad in en lr: u la l n t :l. d speeches any enceuragement of the Pl'ra f " l.on s d e on u and Mon s , . t ..? know whether h te l: in England—( le r 1 ea n r) he The Archbishop of Canterbury, the Bishop d o . Opposition, ' t im e 4 :. -Lords, and what had consulted th • a h ' A ;' • the Archbishop of York, although place in e aut oritiesfin the fth Roman teed t ie . ( ' w " given to were. their G • • (Ca political grounds, in discussing the admittedßoman that the i ia good of the en,selves for the -•' when they were de- Catholic Church was a part of the Christian Church, and the o ee 'rY, of te PecP ' et I f Char] P as 'lng, of certain laws for other • h bishops used s similar language.—(l-rear, hear.) I find Is e a 'iun—if n ' were t o es James, of London, and hsh B" h Liandaff es ecially observed of Roman eld • hety were , absent themselves on chi- eis c hef • . . .. 11 • h • l i ef Chris tete R i ve then; •' he whuld h Catholic Chu—that if it did not contain t e spiri lierre he fro additional. re c very glad, because it tianity, where was the authority of the ministers of the °Pee n(1 0 1 their Puglia axons for rdieving them on n Church of England? Were I of opinion that it was other ai sit h 5 much , e minio,s u oct '.l Ii itol llt wi s e it but () would' ive Me the greatest pain to think myself coin. bit ter Hot t l i . tl 3saeraioa _,_ win reth'ait se t ences of Maynooth would he e ti w e i ll e e ' d as a Prot g estant to hold such language and entertain h nly reminiscences to the such ;belief of so large a portion of my fellow-subject!. But, Peris e r s ee Preael s , _, t w ould be found in th recollection of the • ' e ed e n to b ye. ~. or certain friendwhosee confidence he an • this• - t the Sir, I regi•et to sty that the intolerance on su,stec,, _ e e . t t s osal t i ne ' a t st, a e d in the remembrance s feelings which have come down to us from the l'!e- Kew whoage uPPort affordedof that degrading e form ition do, I fear, still exist both on the one side * l ed lh nfii les h to him by those political oppo and the other.—(Hear, hear.) When . I read among ; tll,l k at h e s „ , e had usurped. --(Cheers.) He had ' 4 )l rs ee P his e " . ,"'d not occupy the House long, and he the charges against Maynooth certain doctrines and dogmas thas: - , b ee an:l 'v e A. ' ; but ind d l' f ' chargesof cherished and retained by that Church seemingly so repulsive ; he s h * l l O has rs -I g n trY that ha e d P b c e n e n e n u t et those st and when I see on the other side the bitter feelings of hostility 4ts iir iti vot e asoted this 13;11—in the n l i a u c s e of alrt e lm e se threat manifested against the Roman Catholic: Church by those of total ed b sfor e a he began, and oppose this 13i11 as long as It another persuasion, I cannot but feel that the spirit . wbich ex of i . •/ ' Rlis . , t .,,. he r House _(Che?rs.) isted in so fierce a shape at the time of the Reformation, should j e kt--- 0 , 41 1'e, et, Os Hon lam ready te address the House, not a' this time be seftened and abated.—(Lourl cries of " Hear, ; I do s - re. v nY Hon. Friend who has just sat deo n has hear.") I perceive that the feelings engendered by the reli espeet the tabi Peot to the numerous petit iens which have been uious war which then tookace remain more durable they those 'tse eo toth eh e of this House on this subject, as well as out re originated by any civil war s, bat I have ever read or rd of. t'sea,a"tStitae-tutierous letters which I have received from m y , Ve all remember that beautiful passage of Virgil, where he * Q u ote re--- ( hi nts and others in relation to this important tlescribes that, in some future time, the husbandman, in turning 4 / etntldear, hear.) Had it ' t been for these conside up the fields upon which the civil wars took place, would there lifter vote in fay been been w 'l nd contented . to have given a find spears and helmets covered with rust, the almost `'a th`le -vn itr of the e' t of this Fig ; b a , only remnants of forgotten battles. But I think the weapons te e num eree . second reading f wh• ah!e us petitions which have been lais . . h 11 . h ' 1 t• i d h • f h f ; wet wlc rive par les contem e at t e time o t ere to, les t , of th; t non will never be allowel to rust, but they will be brouight h li t is House—after the various le •• tattil Yself • er s oh . "(I received f onstituents and forward by those debating these questions bright and burnished, Perti ' 4 1 d Ject in'' to th' mY e • '• ' and whenever fie that excited religious differences in Ili _ e ft th , o tm , __!= . is measure, I cannot entirely satists whichthat is at all touched,these old cord will spears, worn hel i .0 wit ,. is Inea on this occasion express my reasons for sup ' a ge 4 tk, se stire_ !nets. flags and banners, will he brought forward, and all the (Hear hear.) I concur - so far in opi- I P : er t. t e kin of who are opposed to me,as to consider that this aeiiriosity of the loth century revived. A will has been ex esist ' a t r the v erY hihest •m hear)— pressed that all parties would et unite . in the same creed, ill , b ers a s h a es i'eet I (10 not en ' t i p l or ac,nce— ith such of the and that the country would no linger be distracted with relt the i e l e altSe, e : e .sPoken in favour orfetYhaerec e e on w d reading of this gious dissensions. Suppose that could be tha case—one in which ba e sref, a neelf t , • ; i t appears to me the Right Hon. Gentleman ail contending parties could unite. An attempt of this sort ij i ght - tr an ed d .,?! the Exchequ ' er appeared to . consider it has been made in . Spain, in which country l l •haveregided for Pert: e n. Q en ' t ` i i nn of 17,000/. to the' previous grant, and the some time, and witnessed the +.s. , afu erisb which' such a of w ,ttle et nt_se eme e e r nan the Secretary of State for the Hom , 'tate of things was accumpleit. It was impossible o countryina q '19 , 4 Of A i nto consider that the question of the en• ake this that anything like , a. l. unity f doctrine, and a entl I eYnoeth had been settled b the Act oneness of Church could be established. But . those who hold et set s) , cara t , _ y • . t ougly differ from us in t tli:;: atlit; . :' - ( Hear agree with either of those Right H•in. different opinices from us, who conscien , _ their own opinions—we can give twate t ~, leo of I ,„ • hear. ) If it were merely a question religious matters can hold . . h ther Catholics or Pro -1 " he °°°l ' t° the •• el tth t uestion credit to them Whetherd Chriatians, w e ''rdie s '(l . 4„ v s bee • - origin, gran , aq - .• _ of the Church of England or the Church els e ''Y a s e, he n raised upor, the miscellaneous esti- vretestants. ith a view to the l'h ane hea r)—anti h b in the of Scotland, we may at least discuss subjects w .t. tie er e aer, a aye been proposed kilt W o 1 3 the repairs of barracks at Portsmouth or general benefit and welfare of the country without v dexci amonging 4'l •he 14 h N o ' d ing, ' le be er , av e been proposed.—( Hear, hear.) I those animosities, which still, unfortunately, that P l re ca a nnot con: t e t - " , be e a:eta n ot - s tated, that the present extent of the the people. In saying this I must remark _ f the eo le . or th•gal granttueee,fß there were not a sufficient (hetsen to accede to the prayers of the petttions o that we would set t th e Wa s 'in the establishment and that an addi subject. I think that if we were to say . t ral 0 ol ara re et necessary to maintain ' agreater number— not support a Church which we considered anti•ecrip u , the 'i l i for '; and a t l, not sufficient accommodation for the effects would be pernicious in the extreme. In the first place, h a ste w en n ere asit 7lus a case might have been made the effects would be enormous. We must get e _ e beyond e d e e pe t" b eve l! the vote by g 1 7,ooJl.—(Hear hear.) this question. —(Cries of et Hear, hear.") . W W must Vied thi s 4t eraYs opposed the grant vsould no dou ~ b'• eo farther. We must extend it to the colonies. . e _ ~ e iPasese i s i lnale tea Proposed addition to it ; but when we con- make a firm, rigid, and unbending . rule, which i h l e n ar a a fe n w a fi ssion th e gr ant ; nf the numbers of those who have hitherto years would shake your empire to pieces.— f ( h " m r' ainten ' ance Pi 1,1 , er oi , l i f We eth e MaYnootb, we cannot but come to the con. great cheering.) But admit, for the sake ot e_ . recess ei t .,ooo not n nlY question before the House had been of the Protestant religion, that such a step should be nece. y, OIL, `., i t ,hould have increased the rant b the amount admit fur a moment that we are ready to take all the conse ,eete„yecHear eWoUld not have with y d ' thatyou are ready to do thls—have you any 'gels n 1/1-'' Nei met . any great oppo- quence . s—a mit legislatefor the people of Ireland ? s e e h e . e s e _ er can I agree with the Right Hon. right, in such a case, to t, , d t the time h e b,:as t h a ,`Tetary of State for the Home Department, Are you not bound to say IN . e . engage a . i . „tittle J the s e It the whole nrin •lef th t• d fthU i to govern s Ireland on principles of equality, to .a N ed reo et o f 1 , 7 n, _,- ell) - o . e ques ion . waa e • o . e oon g allow them to oft W e , , 4 ‘ that t. , 0 ' 4 . • . 1f I agreed with that princiele, I consider Irishmen as we consider .. Englishmen, to . e e 1 9e silted at e Principle of the whole question of endow• have the same rights and privileges as ourselves, to consider til 4 e oll e rn"el Y allothe same period.—( Hear, hear.) The Act every question regarding them as a question regarding „led ao fie e e , „wed the Roman Catholics to found their ourselves." But then, Sir, if that be the case,. it is e'led f r w nong the the education of their own clergy by funds totally inconsistent with the case of your saying that ati ess pre, ye !shelves, and the s I• h i d d • l'e' • bbd)gin at 41. t ° Year b 'um which .vas pospose an sour re I,ton is so exclusively true . , that it cannot bear any „, etne. e , s td ef the y Parliament, was merely a contri- thing like equality, nor even anything like favour to the great 1 4; t ssis 'I differe "se funds.—( Hear, hear.) It was totally majority of the people of Ireland. And if that be so, if such t)1 sc ore diffe red t t it from the measure now proposed—( Hear, is the strictness of your religious principles, I defy you to stop t 4 i t Is ttr ' w befor d,gree—it differed in extent—from the short until you come to the repeal of the union, to which we y li t l lhe r e agr ee to e lle House; and thou, hI am far from saying are all opposed. Sir, I say, if you do not meet the Irish people s i t is t i t lid t o end t his measure we must be forced to go still in this way—if you are nut ready to fulfil the compact . of the ~, ,,i , d imp oi , i ,o, ,, the Roman Catholic Church in Ireland ; maims nst only to the letter, but with all the affection for •-° tali Fntle man u'e to controvert the position of the Right your countrymen in Ireland which you feel for your country ,Aletiglntis on the member for Newark, that, so far as men in England—then you should be prepared to say to the isNti .cel t - --(C e ' ti °n is concerned, it will be decided by thispeople of Ireland, " We will not grant this boon ; we will tit e 4; li °lid cheer \Th then remains the ' I make thisrant therefore we will give you back your ly e es eitl , th e tax _ . . a. / . ere . - not you g , affairs. t , aa se. .teeanee uhf f tion of this country is to be burdened with own legtslature, and deal in future with your ot,yn that you have 4 et 753 t 4 take the Roman Catholic clergy, or if ( Hear, hear.) I own it does appear . to me t a ree to t _ t e t: . , e of the „,arnything for their maintenance from the but one of these two courses to adopt—if you do n f o the g Irish t h e th e g _ vot e a 7, e r t Protestant Church•—( Hear, hear.) If we this proposition for the support , of . the religion 0 ,. la to main i'e W ants of T urous which may remain, after providing people, you must dissolve the Union ; but if y , ou wits. people of , 4 0 i (14 ": 4 Cati:o7 Protestant Church, to the endowment of air the Union, yo's must treat the Roman Catho Catholic theProtes ;t l ei :_tio n ne'`._rtec Church.—( Hear, hear.) That, I admit, Ireland in the same spirit as you have considered i I sa (then 4 d ' ,.o g i .at difficulty, and that is a question which is tant people of England. —( tend eheers. ) Well ? t senf, few (RY th e Prev (ted. But before we decide that we mast that this is not a question of the mere consideration o pa. rlia te e rn , e , )(sus question, whether the Roman Catholic thousands a ear;y it is the carrying out of an Act of a 1, 4. . ea ri 13 would b Inclined'bound to carry it eintiort hearsa But e to accept such a measure. ment fifty years old, and therefore you are •th vehi •}, • i with regardunion of the I ' 1 10 t ma arise .to the mere State out if you are desirous of maintaining the ,, Hear, hear.") I -II: litt le r nlau Cathoh as to the propriety of the endowment two countries inviolate.—(Lood cries of ~.. . ele esp eeta _ lc clergy of the State, I must own that, Remember that we, at this side of the House, have had n hin thesure ten.sucla measure is open to less ob'ectio than thing to do with the making of this proposition —we merely ‘ ti l t o, 'eh is now submitted j 'el h • /.11 1 C an Ca'holicto our consieeration. say we concur in the proposition. and are p because it is tl„ g lisi te w e re ' s e ft ar., e f clergy .. of Ireland have many duties to favour of the second reading of the Bill, and not k 4., ), of -.tiro, l' e n ?') med by them in common with the a proposition of an exclusively religious character.—(Haar. t _e len Scotland this country and with the Presbyterian I cannot conclude without exressing my belief that the re- IttThe e 'iree,e " e u---such as reading to their flock. ' ' • • .this measure will beproductive of the same bitter est 4 le th • 14 t ul'ir parishioners fn the lnfo•ming onion of . follow the rejection of a y Y, e h !ir e word of God, achninis ness of feeling that would be certain to spiritual consolation b Protestant Church 1, e t , arit y, e. _ , kindness.—( .weremade in 4lie" thhe " a , Hear, hear.) All this `lt y e ee e " r gY in all three of th countries I be- in England.—(Cheers ) If such a propo , si , t n i ., o t n it, yet so con tele, ntld e h - a " a body theall e perform. this House, and that I saw a majority ag ~.. - . t of my con ,Ees , ee rs. e _ y are useful and charitable men. vinced am lof its justice that even a majori . .y _ ei eh i so th e e nut whet! the question to be 1' - d 'should deter e from voting in its favour. e .s t a , h e r d owMent of the Rolle",and ( iscuss stituents not m for the bene:it of the i t v qaesti 4 t • -- then I impulse we t 4 , Oa •,, f _ , Say, that, as a ouestion of pr nct le, itcount( we arc not to ield to every ee , end ow "en greater importancethan I p . Y' Y rest me:-sure of this w rilt - NlSid e "nt of the 1 cause of oo h t ei . ratt en _, ~ e c eegy.—( hear, hear.) I come to sirs only as men d• sirous of keeping in view the The .* 4 ,, s im por . °I tills question, Sir, as thoroughly impressed' ' * •of • f —(Loud cheers ) Pro- Porte:re ca n ,' a nce as those Memb - 1 . 1 us ice. . st this Bill ; but I at e , se a s e' l ' a iblY be as thoroughly' e. 3 wto are opposed tote teatant Dissenters are arrayed here again . • Dissenters were 4 4 , ined it thos e re e ~ s. impressed with its inn- cannot forgot that there was a time when those . .. ev,, , Oder ea ,_ ll a s a e esentatives of Ireland can be who have petitioners before the House for the purpose of beingreli I lehte° try...,, e measure of conciliation and kindness towards from ' ;that they cone dyed to be burdens on their conlcienc'• — o "nt eh e (Lou,! cheers.) But, S . I this House to be bur ir, cannot but eon- ( Loud cheers.) Thes were deemed by ‘pln I.,eo,,le.cceptance of this measure by the they were deemed to be ' 1 a d ee by V a Ireland, sod f f the House as !t eee n , o tt e ted .. the rn, as a ilea-Useunjust} they the I of conciliation, is such, and they were re f eeesi.—( H . cer, hear.) b • civil die ' sta te " ' le nt •" e Peeple of f cannot but consider that that Catholics of Ireland welt:, r tTatted in like manner y the 'lto • i n the .rolled constitutes a most impor. abilities ; and the Right Honourable Gentleman now at • 'heryyt. c onsideration of this et ,. removal nrs th e " land, e, . . .qu a ion, as regards head of her Majesty's Government roposed the done b ee e . at,a e ondni _ ~xou nave statistics dreadful to read, of them.—(l.lear hear, and cheers) Was that 14; 4 . 1 4 ,,,` and their °I the Irish people—statistics showing because there was ' any wish to regard either as a pia• i Jof t r state .f . • • th 4 ~, , . h er , 1 . . de s t itution —statistics, showing Merely religidus question? No, it was because their cause h e 'likes ' v s In cabins w . th their claims could e * 1 obly . without s ' i out roce—horn many ass bound up with the cause of justice, and .. men ts.t.Nstt'te I." on vindovtg—how many in cabins not therefore, be of i t s I support this Ite Y. lit Pr°Port• ms, and so 'nk that ,going on to sittotv sure because lam convinced of its justice—for Ido thi *b ( 4 •ou Inn se actuated—but we th %, ,Pov eet have likewise Ile°lne are in a stat.,! of is the only feeling by which we should be e fs l eg 3* " I t° belongd' f Your people who liveshould take no note as to what amount of lavour or is a Sa tni r teeer y h ay , t . to the Roman Catholic reli ion, we sheuld incur when we are a 1 .• the side of justice. (Cheers ) t O ! th e e nc: and eent " o tepen t i not only on the contrih t . g of M belief s then, t ha t this measure will be grateful received n ee . p oo e out litre us somewhat in a comfortable u um,' • y l l' I toldt ha t this gratitude is ma tte-ea to th est etaa wise on the pence and l sta..e of in Ireland. may be by time to call te e *L a 4 t e otte 'of the ole y miserable earnings placed, and that the grant is too small and too paltry What I May a treblyry art Established You have at the same forth such a feeling, but that is not for me to consider. f a long eee e rs 4o,eadthatt Choech very richly en- say is, that this is but one of a series of acts o the we also se " he whole su ' ll e late In now proposed course of measures of justice due to Ireland.— Ch ( If h the grant would hardly exceed the I shall maintain, as I have maintained, that to w lc e• e• THE SUN, LONDON, SATURDAY MORNING, APRIL l9, 1845. feel for the interests of religion, and for the cause of education. But do you act inconsistently with the prin ciples of the Christian religion if you raise their character, at leeet their position, and give Item the means of supporting their religion wall decency. Now. mark what results from this principle and endowment Act. You have given permission to landed proprietors to snake voluntary endowments. Sir, Ido lea e that the landed proprietors witl avail themselves of the fatalities which are legitimately afforded them under the Act, we cannot conceive any mode of endowment pregnant with mice advantages to the public interest, and tending more to assuage the bitterness to which religious differences give rise than in such a connexion. If you will make the Roman Catho lic priests net merely skilful polemics, but useful in every respect, give them the means of acquiring sci , ntific acquire ments, of making them good chemists, good proficients in modern science, then probably the landed peoprietors will feel an inducement to avail themselves of this power, and by voluntary contributions make endowments. The increase of this vote has a material influence upon the Charitable Bequests Ac`, and will greatly facilitate its execution. We are told that the establishment is of a monastic and ascetic character. Whose fault is that? Not the fault of the harem Catholic priests. In 1795, at the institution if Maynooth College, Mr. Grattan presented a petition from the Roman Catholic body, objecting to that clause in the Act which prevented the educe hole of Protestants there, and the trustees of Maynooth Col lege established a lay college there, and did not wish that the institution should be of an exclusive character. We interfered to prevent this, and Mr. Abbott informed the secretary to 3laynooth College that. the Brit ish Gevernment would not allow the lay college to continue, and it was accordingly suppreased.—( Hear, hear.) Therefore the Roman Catholic authorities were not responsi de for the peculiar character cf the education pursued there. ..t the same time my belief is, that any attempt to make, asa coedition of the education given them, that it should be of a mixed and secular character—any attempt of this sort would v rtually alter the character of liberality, anal probably prevent the acceptance of this grant. 3lr. Burke inculcated on the :Latish G .vernment the policy of giving separate education to those who were destined to discharge the functions of the Roman Catholic priesthood. Why, Sir, you determined then ihat it was desirable to increase this grant, and you deter mined to increase it, and to make the offer in a manner which sheula be thoroughly acceptable to the Roman Catholics of Ireland. We considered well that question. We did not act precipitately. We asked ourselves the question, shall we, before proposing this increase, institute an iteptiry into the course of instruction pursued there. We referred to the inquiry instituted in 1826, and came to the conclusion that no beneficial result would arise from a Commission of Inquiry. Was that inquiry conducted in a f r iendly or a hostile spirit ? We thought that that would give rise to hostile theological corit roiersy, b cause the Commission would contain necessarily many persons hostile to Maynooth ; and I admit we thought it better to adopt Maynooth as it was. We determined to trust for the beneficial effects of our interference to the liberality and coefidenee w ith which we acted.—( Hear.) Sir, we proposed that the vote should be permanent instead of annual. We did not think that by making it a permanent in of an annual vote we interfered with any existing prin. (aide ; and we do think that by making it permanent we shall remove annual controversy and dise.ussion from the House of Commons—(Cheers)—that we shall produce peace and relieve ourselves from painful contention.—( Cheers.) We incorpo-• rated the trust because we thought that actual incorporation was conformity with the spirit which the original Act possessed. You appointed trustees, and you enabled them to purchase land, but you did not enable them to possess the land so acquired ; you engender great expense upon them-- you admitted the principle that trustees should be appointed—that they should have the power of acquiring land, we propose that they should have the power of holding the necessity of constant supervi,ion. hat is the nature of the grant we propose—l say that in mak • .ing this grant, though we incorporate the trustees—though the vote is permanent— I say that in this there is no violation of principle, which does net apply to the continuation of the vo'e for auother fifty Years, that vote being applied distinctly under the authority of Par liament to the inculcation of the tenets of the Roman Ca tholic religion.—( Hear, hear.) It is said that the R oman Catholic people of Ireland are indifferent to this—that this grant will be without any effect on the people of Ireland— that they will reject it as an unnecessary boon, and will not be thankful for it. I think you do itatistice to their feel ings. —( Loud cries of " Hear, hear.") I believe the gene rosity with which you shall have acted, will produce gratitude in them.—( Hear, bean', When they heard of the proposition, they wrote immediately a letter of which this is a part. I think there arc 17 professors at. Maynooth ; and this letter, addeessed tome, is signed by 16 out of 17, the other being incapacitated from signing it by illness; and they thus expressed themselves Sir, The undersigned beg leave respectfully to :express their deep sense of gratitude for the very liberal prevision which you, as the head of the Government, have proposed for the education of the Roman Catholic clergy, and still more for the kind and gracious manner in which you have recommended the mea sure to the favourable consideration of Parliament." Now if you ask me whether I believe it more for the interest of this country that the educators of youth should be influenced by the grateful feeling here expressed, rather than that they should be men whom you have starved on the pittance von have hitherto given them—(Lend cheers)—l do not hesitate to say that I believe it to be for the interests of peace and good order—( Hear, hear)—nay, that I believe it rather for the interests of the Protestant religion that I should commit the instruction of young men who are to be the spiritual guardians of the people of another faith, to in structors who will be grateful for liberality rather than to men who view with discontent and indignation the paltry pittance which you assign to them, under the pretence of supporting them —( Loud cheers.) I do not carry this too far —I do not mean to say that they are satisfied with the law, or that the institution will be perfectly satis factory. Ido not mean to say that they have made any com promise or sacrifice of principle—l cannot guarantee to you that they will receive any vote for Maynooth, as, in their opinion, a complete and final measure.—( Hear, hear, from the Ministerial benches.) No, I cannot say that ; but they are not indifferent to your liberality, and in the first impulse o a generous feeling they say this is an honourable and libera provision for us. That is the only inference I wish to draw, Ind that is the motive upon which we act in making this grant. My [lon. Friend (Sir R. Inglis) has put two ques tions to me. He has said, " I call on you to slate whether or nor this is part for a preconcerted system, the whole of which we have not developed, and whether this proposition, in re ference to Maynooth, is brought forward designedly for the purpose, and of a further endowment of the Roman Catholic clergy. I will answer him that this measure is brought forward singly and individually on its oen abstract merits—that this proposition is not part of a preconcerted sys tem—and that it is not brought forward with the design of bringing forward any further measure. We have had no com munications whatever on the subject, with any authorities in Ireland or elsewhere. We have nothing upon that sub ject in our contemplation. You may say I saw ru mours to the effect, that though there was no com. munication with Roman Catholic authorities in Ireland, yet that we have had secret negotiations with higher autho. rities at Rome. Now I state explicitly that those reports are altogether without foundation, and I have a strong impression that you will do no good in Ireland by secret and unavowed negotiations with Rome to which the Roman Catholics of Ireland are not made a party.—( Hear, hear. ) Ido not believe that any attempt at negotiation for the pur pose of fettering the independence of the Roman Catholic clergy of Ireland, or of establishing a connexion between the Roman Catholic Church in Ireland and the State, could lead to any satisfactory result unless the Roman Catholic clergy and the Roman Catholic laity of Ireland were parties to that ne gotiation.—(Cheers.) I have said that this measure which we now propose is not a part of any general system. 1 have said that it is net brought forward for the purpose of facilitating any future proposal for the endowment of the Roman Catholic Church of Ireland.—(Hear, hear.) But I say, also, with re spect to that question of endowment that it is a question sur rounded with great difficulties.—(Hear, hear.) I see no reason to believe that there exists on the part of the Roman Catholic laity—l see no reason to believe that there exists on the part of the Roman Catholic any intention to depart from the declaration which was made on n recent occasion by the lion. Gentleman the lion. Member for Kildare with respect to the endowment of the Roman Catholic Church. It was distincly stated by that lion. Gentleman, that both the Catholic laity and the Catholic clergy were opposed to any State endowment of the Roman Catholic church. It is also impossible not to see, after the demonstrations of feeling which have been made in this country with regard to the measure under niscussion, that the subject is one of immense difficulty ; and in stating simply and merely the truth with respect to this, then, I say It'llthe principlesof that we entertain on intention of proposing any measure for the endowment of the Roman Catholic church ; but when my Honont6le Friend says, will you go on to say that it is not consistent with your principles to propose any endow ment for the Roman Catholic Church Bill. You say that you have decided that at any future time you will not propose any such endowment. I say that my Right Hon. Friend has no right to ask such a question.—(Cheers and counter cheering.) Now, I beg the House to draw no unfavourable instances from what I have said.—(lronical eheers. ) We have no such in tention; but I will not consent to hamper and embarrass any future Government by any declaration like that sought to be wrung from me—that the difficulties in the way of the endowment of the Roman Catholic Church are insuperable. —(Cheers.) We have not any such measure in contemplation. at present. I see very great difficulties in the way of such a a proposition, but no one has any right to call upon one to say that those difficulties are insuperable, and I will not purchase any relaxation of the opposition by which this measure has been met by placing upon record any declaration fettering the ac tion of those who may hereafter be responsible for the Govern vernment. My Hon. Friend asks if Ido not consider that on principle there is a religious objection to this measure. Now I cannot say that there is any decided religious objection to it. I do not think that my Honourable Friends can fairly take a religious objection to this proposal. tsaeasareknenef positionotefrrares tiwiatphredoijelsipir! Luosi teompi teibrlavr: aiysgoi. iirseaauetnbi violation nekcfonot noort wfot. chttthhephi that ( Hear, hear. ) Now a religious objection might have l o been much more fairly taken to the Endowment Act of last session.—( Cheers.) By that Act you created a board for facilitating the endowment of the Roman Catholic clery, anti for the building of Roman Catholic chapels. Now, that measure was much more open to religious objection than the proposition for :n increased grant to Maynooth. I cannot concur in the dictum of the Hon. Gentleman, that it is an offence in the eyes of God and a dereliction of religions principle in all circumstances, and at all times to grant money for res ligious purposes to those who stiffer from the religious tenets of the Church to which we belong. Now let us see howmy Hon. Friend gets over the difficulty of Malta. True, he says, we took Malta under a capitulation, which we are bound to observe ; but why should we take Malta at all ?—(Lottd cheers.) Why, because it was a convenient possession in the Mediterranean, and we are ready to go to war rather than abandon.it.—( Hew-, hear.) But if a religiouasinipitlriiin4hlLcetisopunalte,re(tonwellaahneespilsa sereligious involved Government impost ut. p e i r n n. p fineente shouldr en. ear interests ty t s r —if it were contrary to religious principle to undertake the he maintenance of the Roman Catholic Church, why did we accept Malta at all? My Hon. Friend cannot get rid of the difficulty by referring to the capitulation. Thy religious difficulty was involved in the acceptance of it.—(Loud cheers. ) But, Sir, this is a most dangerous doctrine to advoCate as respects the interests of the Established Church itself.—( Hear, and cheers.) The principle is this, that it is a violation of con science to call upon any one to support a religious faith from the tenets of which he dissents.—( Hear, hear.) Now, in arguing the question of establishments for the Dissenter, I may say to bins that the Established Church is a great national institution, that as such, all have an interest in its welfare, and all are equally called on to contribute towards its support, and I may say, too, in doing so, you violate no conscientious scruple. You are aiding the general cause of „religion by supporting the Established Church. But 1 say to the Dissenter no tax cats conscientioush e imposed for scruplestl m a i o n; a thosei ne n ee whoof the dissent. Established front ltei rie,tnhno C yaeoin l iu i sd u rn.be, r atiuib t hey ; ::inif t ilotteit h ieualap e erti that, I make him, whether he be willing or not, contribute to wards its support, if I subject him, not only to a pecuniary im post, in support of the Church, but accompanying that Church by d d extension.( oud heers scruples e n m lnir potwt that t a t t t of i t n h . e Gentleman Established t : Church.—( ystht o eaitrhad done in Q c l o se ns f t v ru c e tion rch Establish • cheers.) e r st e ohs cages i n g ek i tofi he church-satestem e ae d dra i Nv fi a: C oyesa e aawr i bli iati ule tepo e wl i sde n e a e a x n at i °hi": that Government t s e o h n w e ment, should we be able, in accordat • Right Hon. Gentleman the Secretary of State for the Home benches on one side of the House, and who on the other. But Department alluded last night—the placieg - of the 'Topic of if they considered the petitioos, almost without number, lreland on an equality w ith th e peo pl e , f E ng l an d,—( Hear, and then looked at the general expression of the feeling hear. ) I shall likewise, w ith regal( ' t o the Established of the country universally; firmly, spontaneously expressed Cherch, state th a t th a t grea t anoma ly o f a largely e ndowed on this question—b e could not but perceive that if this measure Church for a small minority of the people, is unjust, and that aver, eat fled it would be carried mminst the desire of the it is a subject which Parliament mus t consider—( H e ar, hear. ) nit de of the Christian people ea the country. He would tell I will not conceal those o pi n i o n s . 1 w ill not deny that . the flight Hon. Baronet i hat ho had lost the good a ill of the I shall attempt, after this measure passes—( Hear. people of England. This was not like a mere political affection, hear'—to support any measure proposed by ()tiers, or whi&i you might gain te-morrow as you lose it yesterday. if not p reposed by them, I s h a ll p ro po s e myself, which shall They had given hint their confidence because they believed give to the pool le of Ireland that justice which has been so that he bad a regard for the great institutions of the country.— long and so cruelly d en i e d to th e m,_( L ou d cheerin g ) If ( Hear, he ar . ) 13 ut h e could assure h i m t h at i n dis you will permit me for a few moments longer, I would beg of ; appointing those expectations he had forfeited the this House to consider how much this country has been in- ; confidence of the people—( Herr, hear)—and in losing that jured, how many a dministrations have been disturbed and rent : confidence, he had lost the power of governing them, and in asunder, by these Irish questions.—( Hear, hear.) I will not ; losing . that, he had l os t t h e source o f hi s po liti ca l p ower . H e go b ac k t o an y v er y remote period, but going bank to the time I would refer to the lion. Member for Newark (.Mr. Gladstone), of the union, I find that Mr. Pitt, then in the height of his to the determined and enereetic Member fur Stockport ( Mr. power, had decided upon an Irish question, and that an Coblen). and he would ask the Right Hon. Baronet whether Irish question broke up the Government of Mr. Pitt. Mr. lon ar.y of the g rea t quest i ons to which t hey hey were commit ted, they Pitt intended a union between the two countries. He in. , had either of them yielded their principles? In the course tended, as fir ascan be discovered from his subssgaent speeches , I which he (Sir It. Inglis) had taken, he had compromised in addition to that union, a complete relief frau civil and ; nothing, and he hoped that lie should be able to maintain that political disabilities for the Roman Catholics, and a provision ; Course to the end. The Hon. and Gallant Commodore the for the Roman Catholic Cherch.—( Hear, hear.) The I Member for AI teelebone had appealed to his justice avid his Ministry of Mr. Pitt fell, and his firm Administration was ! fears. In his own profession it was well known that the Gal followed by the weak Administration o f M r . Addi ng - on , ; lent Officer had never known fear, and he would tell him in Mr. Pitt afterwards returned to power, but he did not return . return, that on this occasion he was ready to do with his former partners, with Lord Grenville, and others, ; him justice, anti he felt that he need not entertain fear. who agreed a ith him upon the Catholic ques ti on , ; Ile begged to assure the (louse that he nos regarded this as a 'great q ues ti on o f P rotestant principle, whatever other lion. and who did not agree with him in coming back without the question of Catholic Ernarmieation being Members might think to the contrary, and while he felt s:r proposed to Parliament. His administration was str o ng f or a tisfied on that point, and that he taw his was clearly in the time, for there were men of the highest abil ty in it. In 1807 I course he was about to take, he would act and v,'te, in the way it was broken, it fell upon on Irish question—a Catholic qUeS- :he hail already announced, perfectly regardle.-s of cansequences. tion, especially affecting Ireland. You had then an adminis- I For he looked spun the discharge of his duty in that llou•e tratinn formed on the gro und o f re f us i ng all c nc ,i ons; t h a t I upon that question as of paramount importance, anti he would did not last many years, and Lori Castlereagh d e cl a red it was I leave cansrquenc,s to Providence. He now begged to conclude necessary that some concession should be made to the Roman lay saying that he most heartily concurred with the motion 0 Catholics. In the time of war, when this country was threat- hie Hon. Friend the Member for Newcastle,.(llear, hear.) ened with peril, or when it was not in danger from Sir R PEEL—Sir, I trust we have now a-rived at the foreien wars, the Catholic question was opposed or supported. close of this discussion —a discussion which has been protracted This state of things was continued f r om 1812 t o 1829, an d I to a period unesually, and unprecedented! ) , lung, but it has not the Catholic question weakened every Administration thst was 1 occupied near the time that it was necessary to devote to it, carried un in the meantime. We have had the spectacle of i considering the vast magnitude and importance of the seject Seeretaries of Stare opposing each other on questions the mot ; under discussien, and the sentiments elicited in the debate. important and vital to our domestic policy.--( Hear, hear.) I n l In the course of the debate it has been my good fortune to 1828 you had an Administration which contained many Mem- listen to sentiments and feelin s which the nature of the subject bets opposed to the Catholic claims, but in 1829 those claims naturally ca ll e d tor.—`Cheers.) were conceded. In 1830, in consequence, a; I thi n k, Honourable Members, declaring the course they intended very much of the decision upon that questlon, the Ministry to pursue, even at the hazard of the less of their ea , b ro ken up. Earl Grey came into power -- the sett,. I have heard many Menab e rs on thi s s ide of the House Reform Bill was carried. The ali n in r y who ea ,._ expressi ng their approval of th e me: sure, w hil e I h ave b ear d tied it had at first an immense majority in the many more, actuated no doubt by feeli ngs e q u ally conscientious, blouse of Commons. Everything was eas y b ecause declaring that. they differed from the former, and announcing it was a strong Government In 1834 that Ministry the course they intended to pursue, w i t h ou t perm itti ng pa r ty was weakened and divided upon the question rel a ting t o th e or political considerations to i n t er f ere. I b eg to ass ure those state of Ireland. Four members of the Cabinet seceded, and Honourable Alembers that, however d ee ply I may regret the not long of er Eail Grey himself retired from office. That opp situ:on I have encountered, I hono ur t hose a t whose hands Ministry before long ceased to exist. Another Ministry as- as I have met it.--( Loud cheers.) On the other hand—l stow formed, and dissolved by a vote of this House on a question s p ea k of birth sides of the House-1 must say that the example affecting Ireland. A new Ministry came in in 1835, during of those lion. Members is such as is highly honourable to the whole course of their existence having a small majority, them, because no doubt they hive pursued that course because In consequence of what had taken alace in 1834, they believed it to be Politic and just ; and I have no the whole course of their existence of power was hesitation in saying that such conduct is highly weakened and crippled; but it was owing to a honourable both to those who have supported, and decision with regard to the state of Irelasd, a difference of opi- those who have opposed the measure, for, in adopting that nion with regard to the measures they had brought in respect- course, they have the anger of their constituents, and hare run ing that country, that they were weakened—( Hear, hear)— the risk of relinquishing their political statien.—( Hear, hear.) I have taken other occasions, and I e ill still take other occa- I have, up to this time, abstained from making a n y observation sions to refer to the particular questions involved in those d e s upon this discussion, and whatever feelings may hare been ex bates from 1835 to 1841. But what I want to show now is, cited within tee, by the observations 1 have heard during the that since the time of the Union till 1845, there has been debate, they have been overpowered by, and merged into, one scarcely a year in which Governments have not been weakened, feeling of deep interest and hope that this House would not be and Adrainistrations formed and destroyed upon questions in a parry to the rejection of this measure.—(Hear, hear.) You some degree relating to the Roman C a tholi c re l ig i on an d t o will not, perhaps, be surprised that this,measure should not the state of the people of lreland.—( Hear, hear.) Why, have emanated from those in this Rouse who have hitherto without any reference to war, or any other contingency, if you been known as the firm friends of the Roman Catholics cats see that you can proceed by any measure to tranquillise of Ireland, or that those who have brought it forward :hat country—that if you can hit on any course of p o li c y i n should have forfeited your confidence.—( Hear, hear.) which parties generally may ag:ee—upon which you may at Be that as it may, all I will say is, if we have length come to some concord on questions relating to Ireland, forfeited the confidence of this side of the House, punish us as you will add immeasurably to the s trength of this country.— you may think fit, deprive us of office, withdraw your confi (Loud cheers ) Is this question—is this shOrt review here deuce from us, but do n o t, I beg Yost, disregard the conse given—a view of the question that has been taken by the pe- quences that will be sure to follow the rejection of this mea titioners who have carried their petitions to the table of this sure.—(Loud cheers. ) You tell us—the Hon. Baronet the House—have they considered this question in reference to the Member for the University of Oxford tells us— that we have power and strength of this country ? If not, let the beg of forfeited the confidence, not only of the great party we had in them to consider—differing from them, with respect for their this House, but also the confidence of a still more powerful virtue and their afros).- s en s e of religion which mak es th em ap - p arty cu t o f i t. If any one l oo k s to th e con di t i on of Ireland, proach this House—let ' me, at the same time, if, in considerin g and to the cours e which this debate has t a k en , 1 t hi n k h e w ill • this q testion, I have ventured to use my own independent. admit that nothing but a sense of public duty could induce gar judgment—let m e a tt em pt t o vo t e its favour of a Bill which Majesty's Ministers to incur the risk which we have incurred, may tend, in some degree, to heal those still bleeding wounds, and are incurring.—(Cries of " Hear, hear.") It cannot and to place Ireland in that position which she ought to be— be doubted by any one who looks fairly—l will not the most improving, if not the most happy part of her Ma- say wisely to our conduct, that we hare beers governed by a jetty's dominions. The Noble Lord concluded amidst loud wish to promote the interests and to conciliate the feelings of and prolonged cheering. the Irish people?—( Cheers.) In 1843 there was a formis Sir R. INGLIS said that of all the important speeches dable excitement in Ireland. There were immense meetings-- which lie had ever heard he considered that of the Noble Lord threatening to the tranquillity and peace of the whole country the Member for London the most important.—( Hear, hear.) —or even of the empire. We determined to resist that move- The Noble Lord avowed to the House that there were other ment—(Cheers)—we determined to check it—(Cheers)--- measures which would be more acceptable to the people of Ire- but we did not see any necessity—and there was none—for land. It had been objected to the petitions presented to the calling upon the Legislature to give extraordinary powers. House against this measure that the persons from whom they We resisted all the iocitements to hasty and precipitate action, came did not utv'erstand the doctrines of their own Church. but when a case was established that the public peace was But he would defy any Gentleman to show any statement in in danger, we rel:ed upon the justice of the case, and we the numerous petitions which had been presented to the House enforced the powers of the Coostitutien. There was at the on this question, which was not supported by the time a universal feeling that if we did not vindicate the law doctrines of the liturgy and the homilies of the Church. we should be accused of imbecility. We did so. And the He and the Hon. Members who supported him in that question, measures which we have since taken, with those which we now repudiated in the most earnest manner the supposition that. propose, hare been calculated to promote the happiness, and money formed any part of the question, at the same time that to conciliate the affections, of the people of Ireland. There he was willing to admit that an increase of funds might make an fore, the objections do not come from the English ministers, engine that might otherwise be powerless, powerful in mischief. or those interested in the maintenance of the Protestant cause. —( Hear, hear.) Still that was not their objectioe to the in- (Hear, bear.) At than time, whether it was that crease. Their objection was to the principle of the measure. you had a more lively recollection of the state of But then they might be asked the question so repeatedly put. Ireland in 1843, I know not, but you did almost in that House in the course of that debate,—What do you unanimously approve of a measure brought in by the Govorn mean by your religious scruples on this subject? He was not went, which expressly permitted, sanctioned, and encouraged grossly, scandalously, and ludicrously inconsistent. No. "They the endowment of Roman Catholic Bishops and Ministers, and did not support a grant of a sum of money to a prin. the advancce of money for the building of Roman Catholic ciple which they could not recognise as founded places of worship.—( Cheers.) Well, but if you did that, why in truth. They were not inconsistent, for they did not pro- are religious objections to be revived now ?—( Cheers. ) You mote the support of that principle in which they did not appointed five Roman Catholic Commissioners (there were ten believe. He had been permitted by the House to make the Commissioners appointed, five necessarily Roman Catholic and assertion often, and he would make it again, that he acted a Roman Catholic Secretary, and the expenses of that Corn upon the principle of doing that which his conscience con- mission were defrayed out of the public funds ; we did that in tittered right, and his vo t e s were g iven accordingly. He order that we should institute and encourage a voluntary en dared not compromise the teachings of his conscience, be- dowment of the Roman Catholic clergy. We were authorised cause his neighbour had been led to a different conclusion. to use the discretion of the Crown, with respect to the They were told, however, that it was too late to act upon appointment of some of those Commissioners —we proposed that principle. The Hon. Member for Montrose had ap- that three of those should be prelates of the Roman Catholic pealed to him as h av i ng , i n hi s early life, been connected Church—they felt it th e i r d u ty t o accep t the appointment, and s with India, and be asked him how be could consistently they acted from public and most disinterested motives. They advocate any exclusive -mode of religious instrnetion ? believed that you were honest in your intentions in doing an He thanked that Hon. Member for the delicate manner in act of justice in a kind manner ; and I trust that the result of which he had referred to one of his relatives most dear to him that Act was to break up that, in some degree, formidable —he meant his late father. First of all, then, he did not be- combination of the laity, clergy, and physical strength which limits that the British Parliament, for good or evil—in rsspect th e n existed. These prelates had great diflicuPy to encounter of the matter to which the Hon. Member had referred, and in undertaking to ce-operate with us in the execution of that to which the Hon. Member for Canterbury had afterwards measure. There was a formidable agitation directed agai h n e st adverted, namely, that the Presidency of Bombay had made a them, but confiding in the purity of their motives, and - distinct stipulation that the Church of Rome should re- lieving in the honourable intention) resisted the force of Lain its privileges—had any authority to interfere. But they res. . that agitation, and w e had the setts there and was another question for consideration, which faction of seeing the prelates of the Established Churchfriendly House, still more important for the purposes of that the prelates of the Roman Catholic religion acting in House, and to which he would advert for a few minutes. The concert for the promotion of a common object. Let me say, same Hoe. Member who had addressed the question to him that that was no small object to obtain. By the execution of of the Government, relative to India said that they had no r i g ht, to cons id er an y- th e first Act—that Act which received almost the unanimous thing but those mere contents which the Bill embodied ; that approbation of this House, and there was no violation of public they were no t a t lib er ty t o cons id er th e necessar y eonse .. p r i nc iple—no sacrifice of the interests of that Protestant sre f quences of their measure, namely, the endowment of the ligion to-which I trust I firmly adhere, and the Roman Catholic Church—to• consider nothing more than that which I hold in as high estimation as any of my Hon. f F i 11 justice contained in the Bill, namely, the endowment of the Roman around me. But the result of the measure 0 j which Catholic clergy of Maynooth—that, he apprehended, would be offered in the spirit of kindness was that in the a very narrow view of the question. lie would call the I have described. 1 .t was an encouragement to proceed make, attention of the House to the statement made by the same spirit. Ido not say it was an encouragement to an doctr i n e d. , t ) Secretary of State for the Home Department. He ad- concession inconsistent with re li g i ous pr inciples and e°n't' ke u s rnitted that this 'measure could not be longer delayed, tional principles; and I say no more than that it an expression which he (Sir IL Inglis) considered not likely to encouragement to proceed in the course of should take secure a very favourable acceptance among those for whose justice. We had then to consider what course we Neither peculiar benefit. it Yves to be directed. His Hon. Friend the with respect to Maynooth. It was forced upon u'. do Member for Newark represented himself—(Laughter)—and he we, nor you, can escape the consideration. What will for you fift3 said that they must propose to go further. The Honourable with the College of Alaynooth ? You su pported it 1. to Member for Cork said that this was a great earnest of greater years. My Honourable Friend (Sir Robert H. fug ' Abet things; s but, with reference to the Bill itself, he called it a prove the great difficulty of argument, makes the a c on w ci a lia a tio m n ar and paltry educational grant. He ( Sir R. Inglis) felt that it was he is prepared to withdraw the grant. Sir. down here so; it was a renewal of Peter's pence—it was a new tribute to When opposed to her Majeety's Government, I came I the Church of Rome. The Hon. the Secretary of War had expressly to support them in the maintenance of that grant. House said that this was but the precursor of more. Of mote, aye, do not really believe that there can be ten men in f thisast the endowment of the Roman Catholic Church. He just who, after having voted for the endowment Act o cat hollc Pre• year— touched that question, and then at once turned from it.— having acted in cordial concert with the Roman the execu ( Great laughter.) Another Member of the Cabinet, lates who constituted the Commission rm. ten men who the First Commissioner of the Woods and Forests, tion of that Act—l do not believe there arc this year, anti I am net. 2( o C w l a teers. ) had used the same familiar phrase, and said that this was but think it would be possible for us to come dow prevent our one step. Now, one step must certainly mean a second.— state that we have conscientious scruples to What would be conti (Laughter.) Then another Right Hon. Gentleman the Chan- nuing the grant to the Cdlege of Maynootl vote. You passed laughter.) Now all that he could draw from these conclu- an avowal ? We contend it is not merely cellor of the Exchequer had specifically said—nothing.—(Great the feeling of the whole Roman Catholic Maynooth, on such ou appointed trustees, vernment was, that there would be at an after period an en- institution. You appointed a visitor, and vis 3 ion of the Lord-Lieu future conclusions half admitted by the Members of the Go- three Acts of Parliament for cementing th,eaconnexion with that dowment of the Catholic clergy, and that in 1846, or at some and you subject their bye-laws to t f he which you stand to May future time, the Government would sooner or later proceed to tenant ; and the nomina? such measure before the House. The Hon. Member his approbation. The relations any one conceive it hay some years, and can . . the late Secretary of War (Mr. Ellice) had, also stated that nooth have existed for 50 Itio in 1840 thought It impossible they were now embarking on a new course. What possible that 1, for instance, who . . hould advise the to that institution, s did that mean ? What, but the endowment of the to withhold the grant itself from all connexion with nomination Roman Catholic Church ; and yet they were told that they House of Commons separateto be few who think that course desirable. were to consider nothing but what was embodied in that Bill. it ? Surely there can I say that is a the grant? Sir, the re President depends upon A new course of policy was to be adopted--yea, a new course, Shall we contin p u n e the vote. than the discontinuance of when they exchanged a small sum for a permanent endowment course worse est. of three times the amount, fixed on a similar scale of security Some Honourable Gentlemen have doubted the ac -namely, the vested civil establishment of the country. curacy of the statement which I made with regard Gentleman read some In a speech made by the Hon. Member for Cork, on the 14 th to Maynooth. The Right Hon. April, 1845, he found an allusion made to the anticipated account which he had received of the comfortahle situation of the building. Si r , I restitution of property once held by the Roman Cath shies in of the students, and appearance Ireland. Now, he wished to know if the House was prepared believe that I shall be confirmed by those who have bee n to admit the principle involved in this phrase " restitution." If there in all I said --namely , that it is an institution prof ess edly it began in Ireland, would it end there? No, there were many supported by the Government and Parliament, a n d i s in a of the patronage of this House. in that and the other House of Parliament to whom that condition utterly u n W orth b e Y a much more correct acc oun t th an phrase restitution of abbey and Church lands—( Hear, hear)— I find what I believeto i would not awaken most gratefnl r e co lle c tions, or, at any rate, that to which the R g ht Hon- Gentleman has referred. It which would not excite pleasing anti c ipations. But, if it be was quoted by a Noble Lord, who is better acquainted with han almost any other Peer in the House just that the Church property in Ireland, which had been held the state of Ireland t by the Protestants and th e i r successors since the o f Lo r ds—l mean Lord Monteagle — who quoted from a bo o k Reformation, l'should be restor e d t o th e Roman Catholics, which was written in the year 1834 . It contained an accu why necessities t o w hi c h t h e should not the same priciple be claimed and acted r ate description of the disagreeableh were exposed. This writer said that upon in England? If they were to endow the Chutch of Rome s tudents in Maynoot who did not witness the state of in Ireland, why should It not be endowed in England ? There no Englishman could conceive at Maynooth. ( Hear, hear, 1 was nothing to prevent it, and the House might depend upon things which prevailedhe kitchen, and students'-room, * , it one would follow the other. They could, perhaps, form a The dining-room , t and the same writer . asked °Ill • why better opinion of this measure from the opinions of foreigners, were all the same,• of the place be so shamefully re and what was the impression of their continental neighbours? should the condition. d the Right Hon. Baronet), this is the . Whatever might be said of the leading articles which appeared , duced I And yet (sal n Catholic students are to be ed in the English newspapers, there was no doubt those that ap- I place in which those Roma some 9,0001. a year 7 Some u- f din the papers of the Continent, particularly those of oated, and to whom you assign peare e d against Ma of France, have been ur e e ynooth only France, were far more important and influential, because they the objections which the policy of altering thissystem. My ily written by influential statesmen. And what confirm my opinion were genera , of for Dublin said that. the M . aynooth said the Journal des Debuts on this measure ? Why, it was Hon. Friend the Memberlate Can you be sur this, " The measure of the Prime Minister of England is priests took a part in the ag i tation.h man den in whet the grant was given— neither more nor less than a resolution of the policy pursued prised at it? The m by England since that gran the Reformation. It is the greatest the amount of conces t—so far from affordin . and enlightened education, g the compelled excepting the sion yet made by the Protestants, without education exclusively Emancipation Act of 1829." And such eas the feeling of the them to make their l theologian, make that theolog - y great body who had forwarded remonstrances against the mea- and compelled them b tu een the consequence of -theezveotuesel sure. They did not object to their Roman Catholic fellow- polemical. What has that Three professors of theology they stillla mooth ? . t subjects enjoying equal civil rights with . them, you gave to A 3 . had been fcssors living on some 100/lor 120/. a year, to the measure they were discussing would lead appointed—three pro . the doctrines of the R ' thoughtto another of a more important character, and even- endowed by you for teaching as _ ornan k any practical 11result in the downfal of Protestantism.—( Hear. ) Catholic faith. Js it, I of compensation to t ua y violation o f . dread a led to embark Yet if by this series of measures they were ln them ;orit it from . roonious way. I read an account' • which would occasion the endowment of the Roman that niggardly and pars in one thought that the House ought to be the evidencegiven in 1826, of the Professors Catholic Church, then he __ , , - ooth A gentleraa highlyd. hat they assented. He wished to ask his of Greek and Latin at aYn ' n, is _ very careful to w whether this was the end or the beginning, his acquirements, and who had gained every Right Hon. Friend 1 ti g n uished for h • the to aut ortzs education of 500 prize, was asked w hat be was, before this Commission. fie re whether this was s'itmtop y the endowment of o f Greek and Latin." lie was then asked go on to young men, or ; I va; i He would ask whether there was any ul- it he received anything from the annual . vote. itt said that he ' I olic Church e (sat s for he thought that if a great received 801. a year Irish ! thirty guineas of which were de statesman in contemplation, tenor measure r ocerses and other necessaries. Can we four years i'n the uncontrolled possession of ducted on account of g had been with such a question as this he would have continue that state of things? Do we violate any principle by power to go on chalked out for himself some p ar ticular course. He had been improving it?—(Lo ad cries of " Hear, hear.") I f so , Sir, I the other night surprised to hear . the Right Hon. Baronet thecannot party to the continuance of anch a state of be any Secretary for the Home Department , when this measure was thi ngs . Th e y would not send out theologists to be p ar i s h under consideration—he wassurprised to hear that Right lion. priests of Ireland, clergy men ca p able of nista ucting th e i r Baronet say that h e could _ nnt see the propriety of taking th e flocks. who had received a n education of th is sort. We pros funds from the existing establishment was a pose to increase in Ireland. Thi s the comforts of life, and better the con di t i on curious phrase to come from the lips of the most det erm i ne d o f t h e pro f essors . We propose to bobd out to the m induce riation Bill.—( Hear, hear.) W as th e meets, in order that they m a y remain lon ger there. We wish o pponent of the App ro p t which had prevailed since the Re- to have men of high acquirements and grocrl character. At most powerful excitement ? He could not look at thi s a s a t the y devote themselves to this, toil at t las presen form Bill to be disregardedof little matter to him who tat on the miserable salary , for the pure zeal voimi they It was hasty question. the Hon. Gentlemen to call upon the Dissenters to contri bute without any violation of their religious scruples?—( Loud cheers.) I must confess that I see no difference in the cases, and I believe that we vielate religious so, uples just as much in calling upon members of the Established Church to contribute to the support of the Protestant Disaentera of Ulster, as to call upon those Dissenters to contribute to the support of the Esta blidaol Church. This is a most dangerous doctrine to propa• gate with regard to th e Established Church. Do yeti violate any religions principle by calling upon the Quaker, who ob jects to all was, to contribute towards the support of the standing army ? Sir, I do not believe that there is any religious principle involved in this measure.—(Cheers.) I believe that the; measure which is now proposed by the Government fir the permanent endowment of Maynooth is just towards the Roman Catholics, and that it is contrary to no principle of religion. As to the effect which the vote of this House may prodtioe, I beheve that the willing adoption of !hi. measure will produce a kindly feeling in Ireland. It has already produced a great effect there. It has already produced a great effect here. It has been received in a grateful and a friendly spirit, corresponding with the spirit in which it has been proposed.—(Cheers.) I hardly expected that it would have produced this effect.—( Cheers. ) Ido not believe that the gratitude which has been expressed by the Boman Catholics in Ireland has been expressed in the expectation of future gain, but I believe that the effect produced has been a natural effect, which a kind and generous policy invariably produces as its ie rilt.—( Loud cheers.) Sir. I will not be tempted to refer to the speech of the Right Hon. Gentleman the Member for Edinburgh, and to the taunts and imputations which he thought proper to indulge in ; but I will rather fol low the example of the Noble Lord, and abstain from everything that can create a feeling of irritation. I think I could prove from the admissions in the speeches of the Right Hon. Gentleman to this House—though I do not mean to say that he has in those speeches committ e d th e sUghtest violation of principle—though (do not mean to say he spoke of the measure because of the difference between 9,000/. a-year and 26,0001. • but I c o uld p rove f rom th e speec h es o f th e Right lion. Gectleman, that he is the last man in the Home wl.o should throw an imputation upon the present Government.—( Hear, hear.) Every feeling with regard to what has been said about the in consistency on the security of the Government. I totally dis regard, for I say they should be, an I they are subservient to the one feeling which prompts me to tb or this expression, do not reject this bill.—( Cheers. ) I do not know what th e consequences may be with regard to the kin.lly relations between England and Ireland, but this I know that the proposition has been the means of calling forth the most kindly feelings in the minds of a grateful people. Therefore, I say, let all parties combine and aid the Government in ca-rying out this measure.—(Loud cheers.) Tak e what course you please in regard to the Government but I say let not your indignation fall upon the measure, but on those who have brought it forward.—( Ilear,l hear.) I shall say no more about it tow on that point; but I must remind the Howe -that it is such a measure, and is now in such a state as will render it imp.iss:ble to withdrax it without creating suspicion, and inflicting a deep wound on the feelings of the Irish people.---( Hear, hear ) I do not press the measure because is is competent for me to do so, but because I believe it to be a wise, and a just, and an equitable measure.—(Cheers.) I say also. recollect that We are responsible for the peace of Irelam'. We must break up the formidable confederacy that exists there against the Go vernment ; but I do not believe that we can break it by force, I believe that with respecto the maintenance of the Union and the Established Church, you can do much to break up that confederacy by acting towards the Irish people in a spirit of kindness, and of forbearance and of generosity, and I believe it is essential that we should do so in order to carry on the Go vernment, and to preserve the peace and union of the two countries —(Hear, hear, and cheers.) I gave notice of th e in tention of th e Government to bring on this measure last session of Parliament without the slightest reference to - circumstances that have since taken place. But upon the day upon which I gave notice of our intention to bring :it on, our attention was called by the Noble Lord opposite to another matter of great import ance.—( Hear. ) The Noble Lord . called our attention to a rather ominous circumstance ; and there certainly did appear some reason for it, for a cloud appeared in the western horizon, small indeed at first, but threatening in its position and aspect.__( Hear.) The Hon. Member for Canterbury has said that it is not irn • probable that the time is at hand when this country may be called upon to summon all its energies in a ease of war. I heard the speech of the Hon. Gentleman with great satis• faction, for the eloquence and resmrces which it displayed.— ( Hear, hear.) I must also say, that whilst I differ altogether from the views of my Noble Friend the Member for Newark, respecting the conduct of the S'adtholder of Holland, I could not hear without great satisfac' ion his speech, and especially that portion of it w hi c h re l a t e d t o our f u t ure prospects, asindi cated in this debate. Sir, I remember having told my Noble Friend that his first essay on that subject was an indication of future greatness, and he has now verified my pre diction. Sir, in the course of this debate it has been sup posed that an occasion might. arise when all the energies of the country should be called forth in our defence. May God forbid that so great an evil may fall upon u=.—(Loud cheers. ) May God forbid so great an evil may fall upon the world as my Hon. Friend has shadowed forth, in his powerful speech. —(Cheers.) But whatever may be the result of this debate —to whatever hands the destinies of this country may be committed, I shall take my place by the side of my successors, and shall give them every support in my power to this just and honourable cause. —(Cheers) If the calamity of war should befal us, it is nay earnest hope that when it occurs it will find the people of this empire united in loyalty to the throne, in mutual confi dence, and in a love of those institutions from which they derive the highest benefits.—( Tremendous cheering.) It is my earnest prayer that the result of our measures will be so to unite the people of this realm, as to ensure the triumph of a just cause.—( The Bight Hon. Baronet sat down amidst loud and continued cheering.) The House then divided, when there appeared— For the amendment Against it............. Majority On our entering the gallery, we found The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moving that on Monday the House do resolve itself into a Committee on the Bill. \~ intended it should be, on political economy. Abuse of the Whigs was his alpha and omega The Sheriff declared the - slow of hands to be in favour of Mr. M'Crae. Messrs. - It - 4w Anil Dunlop then demanded a poll, but Mr. MCrae decliAed to go to the poll. The Sheriff' fixed Thursday for taking the poll, wllsicli,was to commenceat eight o'clock, and end at four. COURT CIRCULAR. V"; - - The Queen, accompanied by the Princess Royal, 'a tended by the Lady in WaitinL, took an airing Test VaS.NII afternoon in an open carr i age an d f our. Colonel Arhut Equerry in Waiting, was in attendance on horseback. His Royal flightless Prince Albert rode out on horseback yesterday morning, attended by C o lon e l B onv e rie . I n th e afternoon his Royal Highness presided at a meeting of the Commissioners for promoting and encouraging the Fine Arts in the rebuilding the Palace of Westminster. The meeting was held in one of the Committee•rooms of the House of Commons. l'rince Albert arrived at a quarter before three o'clock, attended by Colonel Bouverie. The Commissioners present. were Lord Ashburton, Lord Colborne, the Right Hon. the Speaker of the House of Com mons, Viscount Mahon, Mr. Gaily Knight, Mr. Benjamin Hawes, Mr. Wyse, Mr. Samuel Rogers, and Mr. Henry Hallam. After the meeting Prince Albert, attended by Mr.,East lake, the Secretary to the Commission, and Mr. Barry, the architect, inspected ditrerent parts of the new Palace. His Royal Highness took his departure at sie o'clock, attended by Colonel Bouverie. Their Royal Highnesses the Prince of Wales, Prince Alfred, anti the Princess Alice were taken airings ycsterd..y in the royal gardens. Lord George Lennox and Captain Francis Seymour had the honour or joining the royal circle at Buckingham Palace, at dinner yesterday. Her Royal Ilighnes the Duchess of Kent had a dinner party yesterday, of her residence, Clarence House, St. James's. The company included her Royal Highness the Grand Duchess Stephanie of !Wen, Guint and Countess St. Aulaire,!'aunt and Countess Dietrichstew, M. and Mad. • Van de Weyer, Baron and Baroness Moneorvo, the Che valier and Madame Bunsen, Baron and .Baroness Gersdoff, the Duke of Wellington, the Marquis of Douglas, the Earl - of Aberdeen, the Earl of Liverpool, Sir Robert and Lady Peel, Baroness Stromfeder, Count Schreckenstein, Hot. IVilliam Ashley. Baron holler. Lady Anna Maria Dawson, the Countess Wratislaw, and ColonefSir George Couper. The D uc h ess o f K ent h ad afterwards an evening party. The. Queen and Prince Albert (attended by the royal suite) and the Ituval Family were present. Madame buicken, Madame d'Eiet hal, and Mr. Wilson, at tended at Clarence House, and had the honour of l erforming before the royal and august circle during the evening. tier Royal highness the Duchess of Kent will have an evening party 01 Wednesday, the 23d inst. We ate autho• riscti to state that the company will assemble at Clarence House, tit...lames's, at half-p as t n i ne i nstead of ten o'clock. His Royal Highness the Duke of Cambri4ge visited her Majesty the Queen Du rvagcr yesterday, at Marlborough House. Their Royal Highnesses the Duke and Duchess of Cam bridge, ami the Hereditary Grand Duke and Fuchesa of Mecklenburgh Strelitz, attended by Baron Knestbeck and Mr. Edin9nd Mildinay, honoured the Russian Minister with v their company at dinner yesterday. . . . A Cabinet Council was held yesterday afternoon, — at the Foreign-office, at two o'clock. .. • . ........... . . 176 323 , , _147 The motion was strongly opposed by Sir R. H. Inglis, Mr. Shaw, Mr Plumptre, and Dlr. Duneomba, who divYted 11:e /louse on the motion. For the Motion.,. fi t Against it Majority in favour of it The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and the House adjourned at Half-past Three o'clock. PARLIAMENTARY BUSINESS. r rlienSDAY, Amt, 17. The following Bills were presented and read a first time : Epsom and Dorking Railway. Eastern Union and Bury St. Edmunds Railway (No. 2). London, Worcester, and South Staffordshire Railway( Dudley and Sedgley Branch). The fifflowing Bills were referred to the Select Committee on Standing Orders : London and Norwich Direct Raiimv. Wells and Dereham Railway. Hull and Gainsborough Railway. Sunderland, Durham, and Auckland Union Railway,— Petition for Bill; referred to the Select Committee on l s eti. tions for Private Bills. Standing Orders Committee,—Resolutions reported ; 1. " That, in the case of the Surrey Iron Ilrilway Com , pany (Dissolving) petition, the Standing Orders ought not to be dispensed with. 2. " That, in the case of the Liverpool Docks Bill Amerd • meat on consideration of report, the amendment is of such a nature as not to be adopted by the House." Report to lie on the table. NOTICES GIVEN AT THE PRIVATE BILL OFFICE. Northumberland Railway,—Committee on Bill, Tuesday, April 29, at twelve. Great Grimsby and Sheffield Junction Railway,—Com mittee on Bill, Tuesday, April 29, at twelve. Bristol and Exeter Railway Branches,—Committee on Bill, Tuesday, April 29, at twelve. London and York Railway,—Committee on Bill, Monday, April 28, at twelve. Coventry, Bedworth, and Nuneaton Railway,—Second reading, Monday, April 21. Direct London and Portsmouth Railway,—Second read ing Monday, April 21. Northumberland Railway, —Second reading, Monday, April 21. Sunderland, Durham, and Auckland I7nion Committee on petition, Monday. April 28. Portarlington and Tullamore Railway,—Committee on petition, Monday, April 28. Chester and Holyhead Railway (Mold Branch and Purchase of Chester and Birkenhead Railway),—Second reading, Monday, April 21. Southampton and Dorchester Railway,—Second reading, Monday, April 21. Dunstable and London and Birmingham Railway,—Second reading, Monday, April 21., Wilts, Somerset, Ind Weymouth Railway,—Second read ing, Monday, April. 21. Lynn and Dereham Railway,—Second reading, Monday, April 21. _ St. Ives Junction Railway,—Second reading, Monday, April2l. __ __ Trent Valley Railway,—Committee on Bill, Tuesday, April 29, at twelve. Eastern Counties (Hertford and Biggleswade) Railway,— Committee on Bill, Monday, April 28, at twelve. Eastern Counties (Ely and Whittlesea) Itailway,—Com mittee on Bill, Monday, April 28, at twelve. Eastern Counties (Cambridge and Huntingdon) Railway,— Committee on Bill, Monday, April 28, at twelve. Midland (Swinton to Lincoln) Railway ,—Committee on Bill, Monday, April 28, at twelve. Berks and Hants Itailway,—Committee on Bill, Tuesday, April 29, at twelve. Midland (Ely to Lincoln) Railway,—Committee on Bill, Monday, April 28, at twelve. Manchester and Birmingham (Macclesfield and Ashton Branch) Railway,—Committee on Bill, Tuesday, April 29, at. twelve. Sheffield and Lincolnshire Junction Railway,—Comusittee on Bill, Monday, April 28, at twelve. Glasgow, Dumfries, and Carlisle Vailway,—C'onnittee on Bill, April 28, at twelve. Edinburgh and Glasgow Railway,—Committee on Bill, Monday, April 28, at twelve. Midland Railway Branches,—Committee on Bill, Monday, April 28, at twelve. Southampton and Dorchester Railway,—Committee on Bill, Tuesday, April 29, at twelve. Charnet Valley Railway,—Committee on Bill, Tuesday, April 29, at twelve. Wilts, Somerset, and Weymouth Railway,—Committee on Bill, Tuesday, April 29, at twelve. Tottenham and Parringdon-street Extension Railway, Committee on Bill, Monday, April 28, at twelve. GREENocION. On Tuesday, the day fixed by the sheriff for the nomina tion of a person to supply the place of Mr. Wallace, no Tess than three candidates appeared, viz. :—Mr. Walter Balm, Mr. Alexander lop,Dunlo advocate, and a Mr. M'Crae, a Chartist preacher. Robert Steele, ship carpenter, pro posed Mr. Baine, seconded by Mr. , James Stuart, merchant. Mr. Alexander Dunlop was proposed by Mr. IPl!vain, shoemaker, seconded by Mr. John Gray, merchant. Mr. John Neilson Nailor proposed Mr. M'Crae, seconded by Mr. Moodie, cow feeder. Each of the candidates addressed the meeting. Mr. Baine, who is a churchhta, will support the Government grant to Maynooth, but a person who is decidedly hostile to that measure must be had, and there. ibre Mr. Alexander Dunlop, the great champion - of the Free Church party, has been brought forward a t th e twelfth hour. Both are Whigs—both are free-traders; although, from the speeches, we are inclined to think that Mr. Baine will go much further in that direction than Mr. Dunlop. Probably, it is not unreasonable that such should be the case, seeing that Mr. Baine has all his life been a gentle manoi , very l arge l y engaged in mercantile pursuits, .I'lnle, the other h an d, M r. Dunlop is a lawyer, and 11 naturally have been t urne d i n a different direction.; studies Then comes Mr. M'Crae, whose address was more like a sermon j from a Baptist preacher than a disquisition, a:: he evidently Thi meeting broke up at half-past four o'clock. . A deputation of the Metropolitan Association for impfoviug the dwellings of the industrious classes had an interview with the Earl of Dalhousie yesterday, at the oflice of the Board of Trade. The depntaion c msisted of Lord Ehrhig ton, Sir Ralph Howard, Bart., M.P., Mr. .Joseph Toynbee, Mr. W. A. IVilkinion, Mr. Clibsot, Mr. 1. W. Tottie, and Mr. Charles Gatlitt Count de Pollon, Sardinian Minister, .transacted business yesterday, at the Foreign-office. Mr. Francis R. Ri ves l e f t town yesterday morning to take passage in the Hibernia, on his return to America, having resigned th e o ffi ce of Secretary of the United. States Leo - ation at this Court. toldnel Barlow, Mr. Mihimay, Mr. Edwards. Mr. Lefevre. Captain Ward, and Mr. Saiutsbnrv, a deputation on the subject of the S nithampton !Thcks, had an interview with Sir George Clerk yesterday, at the Board of Trade. The C0111111iS:31011 on the Slave Trade Treaties sat • yester day at the official residence of Sir Robert Peel, in Downing street. The Ecclesiastical Commissioners for England sat yester day, at the Office in Whitehall-place. There were present the bishops of Bangor, Ely, Hereford, and Lichfield, and the Eni of Besb3rough. Dispatches fbr the Governors of the North American colo nies, and also for the Governor of South Australia, were sent off yesterday evening from the Colonial-oflice. SPORTING INTELLIGENCE. N ENV MAIIKE F, THURSDAY NIGHT. ' So numerous were the departures after the races this after noon, that we can only transmit a short list of almo , t no minal prices. Tw( - ; TuousANl.. Gur..4l-:As STAR ES.--.1 1 tai S agstldas (t) —3 to 1 agst to 1 agst Kedger. CHEsricit. Cum-7 to 1 each agst Cataract and Sentiveria -10 to 1 agst Ould Ireland-20 to I agst Truebov (t)-12 to 1 agst Obscurity-20 to 1 agst Portrait—and 1,4500 to 15 agst the Cure (t). ISEr.ny-9 to - 2 agst -John Day's lot-12 1. 1 agst Forth's lot-5 to 1 agst Idas-9 to 1 ass t .Alartn-16 to 1 agst Kedger-16 to 1 agst Pam-20 t o l agst Newsmonger-25 to 1 agst %Vinchilsea (t)-40 to 1 apt Annandale (0-1,000 to 10 agst Fitz-Allen. nacus. II a ndiea p. T. All-round-my-bat. $4 , 10Ib—Queen stab, Bst 41tr—c Ly Rateatclier, out of Turquoise, 8•t .Ib—Hartshorn, 7st Poor Soldier, 7st 61b. Pineapple pays.4o SOYA. forfeit to 'Minotaur. • (RECEIVED LAST NIGIIT ) NEWMARKET CRAVEN MEETING. . Of the two last•races on 'Thursday, the hst sent thm the Heath contained merely the official return ; a few additional particulars are, therelbre, necessary. The race between Dr. Locock and the Nisnomer colt excited no interest whatever ; it was a waiting ; a ff air on the p ar t o f t h e D u k e ' s colt, and was won clever ly, by half a length. The Claret, though confined to a brace of competitors, was a sporting race. 3 t. and 7 to 2 having been laid, to a large amount, Oh Antler. The Cure, however, who was a short time since purehasedby Mr. Robertson, and left. Ilesseltine's stable for Dawsou s s, gave the fielders a turn—the nu,re welcome tom itrnevelty —by running more kindly than usual, and winning easy, by a couple of lengths. Antler, who made the running, showed temper, and although vigorously admonished with t h e made no eftbrt after passing the Duke's Stand. The pace was good. The winner was afterwards backed for the Chester Cup, at 1,000 to 13. Immediately after this race —so poverry - stricken was the list for Friday—one-half of our visitor., to;:)k their departure for town. rntotv. Duke of Bedford's Oakley, 3st 10Ib. agst Lord G. Ben- Crick's Ilart,horn, Gst 511), tY.C., 200 h ft—Off by consent. The Port Stakes of 104) sors. each, h ft, for fottr. yrs old, colts, Bst 7th • and lilies ' Bst 411.; the second t o save his stake. T.M.M. (7 Subs.) Duke of Richmond's Red Deer Mr. Ford's Qui Tam Lord Maidstone's Cockamaroo Duke of Bedford's Panther 4 3to 1 on Red Deer. Red Deer made all the running, fol lowed by Qui Tam, who, without quite reaching him, pressed him so close in the run up the cords, that he won with diffi culty by half a length. The others were beaten off. Handicap Sweeps of 15 soya, each, 10 ft. T.Y.C. (5 Subs.) Mr. Payne's Queen - Mab, 6 y ra, Bst . (Nat) 1 Lord Chesterfield's Poor Soldi er , 5 yrs, 7 st 61b Lord G. Bentinck's All-round-mv- hat, 4 yrs, Bst 101 b Mr. Howe's cby R atcatcher, out cif Turquoise, 4 yrs, Bst 21b 4 sto 4 agst Poor Soldier-5 to 2 agst Queen Mab-3 to 1 agst the Turquoise colt—and sto 1 agst All-round-my -hat. A capital race between the first two, and won only by a neck. All-round-my -hat a bad third. Duke of Bedford's Minotaur, Bst 101 b, received 40 sot's. ft_. from Mr. Ramsbottom's Pine Apple, Bst llb ; first half of Ab. M. 104) h (Nat) 1 LATEST BETTING. TWO THOUSAND GUINEAS STAKES. 6 to 5 agst Lord Stradbroke's Idas—taken 6 to 4 agst John Day's lot 3 to 1 agst Mr. Wreford's Winchilsea 5 to 1 agst Colonel Anson's Ledger TIIK CHESTER CUP. 7 to 1 agst Mr. W. Scott's Cataract—taken 10 to I agst Mr. A. Johnstone's Obscurity Nothing else mentioned. DEDEY. 9 to 2 agat John Day's lot 5 to 1 agst Lord Stradbroke's Idas—take 6 to 1 8 to 1 agst Mr. Greville's Alarm—take 9 to 1 16 to 1 agst Mr. Gully's Weatherbit—taken 17 to 1 agst Lord Chesterfield's Pam—taken 17 to 1 agst Col. Anson's Hedger—taken 20 to 1 agst Lord Chesterfield's Newsmonger 50 to 1 agst Mr. Lintott's Cabin Boy—taken 50 to 1 agat Mr. Wreford's Worthless—taken 50 to 1 agst Lord Exeter's Wood Pigeon—taken DUI:ILA:11 RACES—T/1 U RSDAY. . . The Craven Stakes of 10 guineas each were walked ever for by Porto Bello ; a Match was won by Mr. Pack's Rival, and the Maiden Stakes by Mr. Mangle's Comical Boy. LLOYD'S SHIPPING. I.ONDON, Arms. B.—Northerly breezes, and fine. DEAL, Ariu►. 17.—Wind N. E. by N., strong.—Arrd. Sea Nymph, Barclay, Mauritius ; Princess Charlotte, Porto Rieo. Sid. Dauntless, Ceylon; Madonna, Barbadoes; Margaret; s t. Andrew's, New Brunswick anti the rent of the outward bound. _ p7,nT9mount, Arun. 17.—Wind E. N. E., blowing hard.— Arrd. Salvator, Foreground for New York, to discharge part of her cargo being very labourso me at sea. Sld. Weardell. St. John's ew Brunswick; Newsom, Miramicki. • NEWPORT, APRIL 16.—Arrd. Diamond, Pearce, Ichaboe. SnEEnsEss, Amur, 17.—The liamburgh barque, which put i n here, is the Perrerator, from Ilamburgh to Port Republicain; she waa assisted off the Margate Sands. with loss of anchors, &c. Part of - the cargo of the Isabella, from Trieste for London, has been discharged. • • • Winvs-rant.E, Apnn.l7.—Wind very strong.—The Isabella remains in the same position. NFWIIAV . • , k ttt. 16.—1 t is blowing a compl e t e ga l e, at E. N. E.—A g reat many vessels, soe of them l arge s ki p*. are riding i n t h e b ay, apparently allm well. DovErt, Arntt, 177.—A large schooner broke adrift .This afternoon and went to leeward; she was probably brought up oil Sandgate. SorruAlwrox, Arian. 17.—Ara Brothers, Bell, Quebec. Sid. Tay steamer, We , t Indies ; Paella steamer, Gibraltar. FiLmotm, 17.—Wind N.N.E. to E.N.E., st.mg breezes.. Arrd. Ocean, Dresden, Callao, Mary, Bingham, lchaboe, w i t h sa i ls split and part of cargo thrown overboard. PENZANCE, APRIL, N.N.E. fresh gale.—Acrd. Elizabeth Buynon, Lowry, St. Jago de Cuba, from Swans‘a. loss of sails, out S 7 days ; William Crow, Messina, for Li verpool, sails split, rigging damaged, having experienced severe gales from N.W. to W.; and Shoreham, for Liverpool, quarter stove,&c. h av i ng b een in contact with the Yeoman ' s Glory, of Fowey. • I.tvEnroot,. Arnm. 17.—Shl. Mysore, Batavia; Loudon, Calcutta; Anger, Bombay; Anemone, Buenos Ayres; Tucks Rio: Blonde, Africa; Douglas, Trinidad ; Fame and George and Rickard, Honduras; ,General Ileiza, New Orleans; In diana, NeW York; llinbert, Montreal; Maria, Marquis of Abercorn. Sarah, and hero of Acre, Quebec; Fenella, and Trafalgar, Newfoundland; Maims, tit. John's, New Brunswick; Ilighflyer, Cuba. The Euterpe, from St. Do mingo, which was towed into the river yesterday, afteromba beiug . stranded on West Boyle, has been beached near se _ rola A steamer has b een sent to tow the Margare t . 11 u p f Beaumari. CLYDE, APRIL 16.—Arrd. Meanus, Mobile; - Johu heir Savannah: Sld. Woodside, St. Thomas's; Elizabeth, Quebec ' CORK, APIZIt, N.E., fresh.—Sld. Mersey, New York. Otl; eingalvse, Ellen and Margaret, Itarle- Tan, and lanthe, Porter, Aclutboe; Rebecca Jane, %/maw Ayres: Mary Ann, Porto Itico. YAtoownt, Arno. 17.—A large vessel, supposed to have been wrecked on ltaisbro'Sand, is reported to have teen seen yesterday near the Leman, on her broadside. CARNAIWON, APRIL 16.—S1d, Ilindoo, New YV;;. N' 11,1