The Sun. — London, England, 1850-03-05 00:00:00

FRANCE. The following paragraph on the affairs of Swit serland is from the Napoleon : t " The question at issue in Switzerland does not refer to the refugees—it is particularly . Neufchatel which Prussia claims. The rights of the King of Prussia have, it is true, been acknowledged by treaties, but they have not been guaranteed by these treaties, as asserted in the circular o f Baron de Schleit nitz. A revolution, moreover, has been accom plished at Neufchatel , a nd Prussia can only recover her rights by force of arms. In that case the entire confederation would support Neufchatel, and such a quarrel might produce incalculable consequences. For this reason we are persuaded that no Government would have recourse to extreme measures for such an unim portant object. For, as we have already stated, France, although animated by the most friendly feelings towards the powers of Europe, would find herself constrained to take a part, and Prussia is too enlightened to wish at the present period to displease us." GREECE. ---- The Courier d' Athenes of the 18th publishes the following note, addressed by Mr. Wyse to M. Londos, on the 9th ult. : " The undersigned has the honour to announce to M. Londos, that he has transmitted to the Bitish Govern ment a copy of the note addressed to him by M. Glarakis, on the 17th (29th) Nov., 1849, in reply to th© note of the undersigned, of the 19th July last, as well as others of Sir Edmund Lyons, dated the 27th October, 1839, 23d Sept., 1841, 14th Sept., 1843, and 13th March, 1849, all of which contained representations to the Greek Government on the subject of acts committed by persons who pretended to be employed by that Govern ment on the islands Cervi and Sapienza, in violation of the rights of sovereignty exercised over those islands by the lonian state to which they belong. "By a dispatch from Viscount Palmerston, principal Secretary for Foreign Affairs, dated the 24th January, 1850, and received on the 7th instant, the undersigned was enjoined to inform M. Londos, that previous to the date of the note of M. Glarakis on the 17th (29th) Nov. 1849, the British Government having seen the ne oessity of at once protecting the lonian territory against a recurrence of proceedings so unjustifiable as those which took place when the lonian prisoners were set at liberty at Cervi in the month of February, 1849, had given orders for measures to be taken for the removal of all foreign intruders, not being subjects of the lopian state. And, in -.fact, taking into consideration that the Geeek Governmenthas not only not replied for several years to the different letters above mentioned, but that it has ever denied their reception, M. Londos cannot be surprised that the British Government should at last feel the obligation of itself proceeding to defend the rights confided to the protection of Great Britain. "It results, however, at the present moment, from the note of M. Glarakis, dated the 17th (29th) Nov., that, persuaded that the principal stipulations by which the extent of the territorial rights of the lonian state has been defined and fixed, are found in the treaty concluded in 1797 at Campo Formio between Austria and France, as well as in those signed in 1699 and 1778 at Carlo witz and Passarowitz between the Porte and Venice, the Greek Government maintains that the lonian state can only pretend to the islands which belonged to Venice previous to 1683, the period at which the war began which terminated with the treaty of Carlowitz. " The undersigned has been directed to reply to M. Londos that the title in virtue of which the lonian state possesses the island of Cervi and Sapienza, as well as the other small islands which are equally dependent on the seven principal islands of the lonian state is founded, not on the treaties of Campo For mio, Carlowitz, and Passarowitz, but rather upon the treaty signed at Paris on the 5-.lt November, 1815, be tween Great Britain, Austria, Russia, and Prussia; and that the only other treaty which Great Britain can re cognise to contain a description of the lonian State and ' its dependencies is that which was concluded in 1800 be tween Russia and the Porte, which describes the islands in the following terms : " ' The islands of Corfu, Zante, Cephalonia, Santa Mauro, Ithaca, Paxov, and Cerigo, and all the large and small islands, inhabited and uninhabited, situated opposite the coasts of the Morea and Albania, which have been detached from Vienna, and which have just been conquered.' "It is by virtue of the above-mentioned treaty and of the special guarantee of Russia that the septinsular republic was organized, and its constitntion esta blished, and that the supreme legislative body of that republic undertook in 1804 to determine the principal islands to which the smaller ones which are particularly mentioned in the treaty of 1800 should be particularly annexed. In consequence, the lonian legis lative body declared, by its act of the 22d of January, 1804, Ist, that the small islands of Strivoli, Marathc nisi, Peluso, Prentanove, Prodano, Sapienza, Porto- Seliaari ' Venetia, and all the others scattered about the sea as f ar as Cape Gallo, should belong and should be morally and politically united to the island of Zante. 2dly. That the small islands inhabited and uninhabited of Cerigoto, Poro, Paretto, Dragonera, Cervi, and all others between Cape S. Angelo and Caron, should belong and should be morally and politically united to the island of Cerigo. "Thus when Great Britain, by virtue of the treaty of 1815, became the protector of the lonian State, it found the island of Sapienza and Cervi united to Zante and Cerigo by a formal and public act of the Septinsular Re public, and Great Britain is consequently bound to maintain intact the state of the territorial possessions of the lonian Islands such as it was when those islands were committed to its charge by the trraey of 1815. " The undersigned must further infirm the Greek Government, that in 1819 the Porte, the incontestable sovereign of the territory which now forms the kingdom of Greece, formally joined the treaty of 1815, by an act of ratification, signed at Constantinople on the 24th April, 1819. It SCCIII3, however, that the Greek Government pretends that Sapienza and Cervi continued to be occupied by the Porte until the period of the independence of Greece; that those islands were occupied by the Greek Government after that period, and that they are therefore included in the territory assigned to the kingdom of Greece. " The undersigned must declare in reply, that both Sapienza and Cervi were inspected by the lonian authorities in 1817, and found uninhabited, and that when Sir Henry Ward, the present Lord High Com missioner of the lonian Islands, visited the same islands in the course of the summer of 1849, the former remained uninhabited, while in Cervi there was only one house and 50 inhabitants scattered abroad and living in temporary dwellings. But if subjects of the Porte or of the King of Greece have ever occupied either the one or the other of these islands, they have in doing so committed an act of aggression on the lonian territory. While to the assertion of M. Glarakis, in which he invokes the treaty which established the independence of Greece, and axed the limits of that kingdom, the under signed begs to remind M. Londos that the insular limits of Greece were defined by the protocol of the conference held in London on the 3d of February, 1830, which after having described a northern line of demarcation for the continental portion of the Greek kingdom, and after having established that ' all the territories and coun tries situated to the south of this lino shall continue to form a part of the Ottoman empire,' concludes by enu merating and specifying the islands which ought to be song to the kingdom of Greece in the following terms: ....There shall equally belong to Greece the whole of the island of Negropont, with the islands of Drablo and - Skyro, and the islands fsrmerly known as the Cyclades, comprising therein the island of Amorgo.' It is evident therefore, that no island, except those which have been thus specified, could ever be claimed by virtue of the treaty as belonging to the kingdom of Greece. " The undersigned has further been desired to declare to M. Londos that the Greek Government is not au thorised by any treaty or existing public act to claim the islands of Sapienza and Cervi, and that it is incontes tably proved by the treaties of 1815 and 1810, mentioned above, as well as by the act of the Septinsular Republic of 1814, that these two. i-lands belong to the lonian State. " In concluding this communication, the undersigned can only point to the consideration and respect which the British Government have shown towards that of Greece, in the manner of treating this question; and must express a fear that the British Government may be much offended by the manner in which the Greek Government has chosen to reply. In a pointed expose, which the undersigned must consider, though with great repugnance, as emanating from the Minister of Foreign Affairs in Greco ' it has been sought to create the belief that the B r iti s h Government had neglected to take into consideration Mona. Glarakis's note of the 17 th and 2 9th Novemb er , 1849, and that it had peremptorily insisted on t hi s question being terminated at the same time with those mentioned in the note which the undersigned addressed to M. Londos on the sth (17th) of January, 1850, and the British Government will be the more astonished at this be cause the undersigned had given the most particular care to the note alluded to to confine his demand to the mere reparation of the injustice and injuries inflicted in Greece on English and lonian subjects, and to recal the Greek Government (as had been done in several other former occasions) in determining those claims in the note of Sir E. Lyons to M. Colvoetroni dated the 6th De cember,:, 1848 . —an 839—and, afterwould . having .be dfl useless , erstth nellfi therefore, nop.eth to t ob serveh„.. to 3 M 9, M. Londos that n th e e 2.occupation.rstotfim,teheaunLtin.,e habited islands of Cervi and Sapienza does not con stitute 'an injustice or an injury inflicted in Greece 4:2? _English, or lonian subjects,' and that the note of Sir E. Ly ons , dated the 6th December, 1848, does not , contain the slightest allusion to those islands ; such an a ll usion would have been impossible, because the note was entirely devoted to questions on which representations had been submitted to the Greek Go vernment by order of the British Government , , and because at the period when itwas written noc mßurilti British i on what ever had been made by order of the r t Govern menthad with respect to the islands of Ce G r e vi ve a r n n d m Sapienza. en On the contrary, the British waited with unexampled patience for a reply from the Greek Government to the representations of the British mission at Athens ; and it is only after the lapse of nearly eleven years—the date of Sir E. Lyons' note to Zographos was the 15th ( 27 th) Octo ' • Government enjoined e A1...>" - - - >to Apidress a communication in its name „,.. ktt r the .. to ti.j '' ' ' --Greeli4overnment on the subject of the islands b__g ' 'end Sapienza , and it was only seven months sub ree ~‘ ~.,-' .. -- f.l - ,t Ol ttrib e date of the after-mentioned note of the l - 4 L?lbeeniteler, 1848, that the undersigned wrote to M. „Iss, :v aids the note of the 19th July, and in which he de . ttevacuation of these islands. " The undersigr el, &C., • 's (Signed) " Taos. WISE." I regard to the occupation by British troops of the islands of Cervi :tad Sapienza , lqr . Wyse P on the J 12th Feb., addressed the following note to M. Thou vend, the French envoy : " NOTE ADDRESSED BY XR. WYSE TO X. THOITVENEL, DATED FEE. 12. " The undersigned is anxious to remove the erroneous impression under which M. Thouvenel wrote the note addressed to me yesterday. " The slightest perusal of the note which the un dersigned forwarded to the Grecian Government on the 9th instant, will be sufficient to demonstrate that Vice-Admiral Parker had no intention what ever Of taking possession of the Isles of Cervi and Sapienza, nor even of using his forces in order to se parate those places from intercourse with the lonian territory. On the contrary, it is expressly stated in that note, that her Majesty's Government had given orders in conformity with that intention before the date of the letter written by M. Glarakis on the 17th (29th) of November last, which is proved by the fact that the Greek Government did not, during six years, either reply to the representations of the British legation, or deny the receipt of its letters; and that the execution of these orders was suspended immediately that the Government of Greece had broken its extraordinary silence. " The before-mentioned note, which the undersigned sent to the Grecian Government on the 9th inst., is con fined simply to answering that of M. Glarakis of the 17th (29th) March, 1849, and to establish the right of the lonian State to the isles in question. It makes no demand whatever, and contains no reference to any measures which would be undertaken. It merely sub mits the proofs of the right of the lonian State to the consideration of the Hellenic Government. "The undersigned is happy that he can so easily re move the error which appears to have caused so much uneasiness to M. Thouvenel, and is glad of this occasion to renew to the Ambassador of the French Republic his high consideration. (Signed) "THOS. WYSE." THE MERCHANT SEAMEN'S BILL. At a special meeting of the General Shipowners' Society, held on Friday, the 22d of .February, to determine on the course to be taken in reference to the Mercantile Marine Bill, the following resolutions were moved, seconded, and unanimously adopted : ".1. That while this committee recognise, and are most anxious to fulfil, the obligation to aid every reasonable effort for the improvement of the charac ter and condition of the masters, officers, and crews of British merchant ships, they are satisfied that compulsory legislative enactments for those purposes, enforced by pecuniary penalties, should be adopted with extreme caution, as inconsistent with the prin ciples on which commerce can alone be success fully conducted, and of doubtful efficacy even for the object intended. "2. That the British shipowner is exposed to many harassing and vexatious impediments, and to much injustice in carrying on his business, from the operation of regulations now in the statute book which imperatively call for amendment ; and that in consequence of the unrestricted competi tion to which he is exposed by the repeal of the na vigation laws, with the shipping of all foreign nations, it is of the last importance to the mainte nance of that competition that he- should, as far as practicable, be released from interference in his pursuits, and from all burdens and restrictions cf a disqualifying character. " 3. That the whole code of laws affecting maritime commerce is, in the opinion of this committee, in a most unsatisfactory, confused, and defective state ; and that if any legislative action be taken thereon, it should be undertaken in a comprehensive spirit, embracing a searching revision and adaptation of maritime laws and regulations to the existing position of the navigation of the empire. " 4. That the Mercantile Marine Bill, introduced into Parliament by the Right Hon. Henry Labou chere, President of the Board of Trade, is entirely op posed to these painciples, containing no provisions whatever for the relief of shipping, but imposing on shipowners additional and harassing requirements, enforced by pecuniary penalties, while its probable effects in obtaining the benevolent objects contem plated are extremely doubtful. " S. That a letter be therefore addressed to Mr. Labouchere, urging the withdrawal of the Bill, and the substitution of an extended and impartial inquiry into the laws and regulations now in force relating to British maritime commerce, with a view to conso lidation and simplification as far as practicable, and to the establishment of a comprehensive and just system of maritime law, control, and practice. " Extracted by order of the committee, " WM. BONAR, Secretary." THE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY EVENING, CONFESSION OF THE CHILWELL MURDER. About twenty-three years ago a report was cur rent that a pedlar or packman had been murdered at Chilwell, a village about five miles from Nottingham. The circumstances attending the case were these : In a lonely house, near the wood, there lived a garden labourer named Baguley, who was at that time thought to be in needy circumstances. His family consisted of himself, his wife, three sons, and a daughter. The daughter was approaching to years of maturity, but the sons were all considerably under age. A travelling packman, smitten by the daugh ter's charms, frequently visited the house for the pur pose, it was believed, of paying his addresses to her. One night he was observed going into the house, but he was not seen to return, nor has he been heard of since, and what is most singular the debts owing to him by numerous customers in the neighbourhood were never inquired after or called for. These cir cumstances, connected with the fact that soon after the packman's disappearance Baguley removed to a more commodious house, and invested a little money in the purchase of live stock, gave rise to va rious rumours at the time, which were not much heeded. We have heard a statement that appears to be the most probable version of the murder, and the reasons for it, but forbear repeating it at this stage of the affair. Baguley lived uncomfortably with his first wife, who frequently threatened him when quar relling, that she knew where his coat of arms was, and that he had better mind how he behaved to her. This was in allusion to the coat he is supposed to have worn at the murder, and which it is said she kept secreted. She died about six years ago, and it is said he never allowed any one to approach her during her last illness. Subsequently he married another woman. The cottage he had quitted has been for nearly twenty years notorious as " the haunted house"—the villagers asserting that they fre quently hear strange noises in it, especially during the night, and many ghostly tales are narrated respecting horrible apparitions. In consequence of these absurd rumours the house is forsaken, no one being bold enough to brave its terrors. A fortnight since the old man Baguley lay upon the bed of death, and before his spirit left its earthly tenement he confessed to his wife that he, " twenty-three years ago murdered a hawker of shawls, blankets, and other wares, with a pick, and buried the pick at the bottom of the dyke near the house." A great number of idle reports are afloat, and the consequence is that Chilwell is daily crowded with visitors. On Sunday there were some hundreds of people round " the haunted house," and they , wanted to dig in the dyke for the pick, but the cir cumstances having been made known to the autho rities, they were prevented. Baguley's widow, who was married to him about three years, says she has lived most uncomfortably with him, fur when asleep he was always visited by annoying and painful dreams, and he would frequently fight with his hands, as if struggling with some one, and jumping up would ex claim in great terror that some one was about to seize him. The affair is creating much gossip and sen sation, and during the present week hundreds of silly curious people have visited what they call the " Ghost House," and minutely inspected the premises. It is a singular fact that the cottage in which the murder is said to have been committed has never since found a tenant who dared to stay for any length of time, and for many years there has been considerable excite ment in the neighbourhood, and a great alarm amongst the superstitious, by the singular and hitherto unaccountable noises that have been often heard on the premises, de3ignated as " The Cbilwell Ghost " and " The launted House at Chilwell." We have received a variety of communications on the subject, with the names of parties who have heard and seen strange things connected with his ghostship, but we leave it for the curious and marvel-seekers to ferret out the mystery. —Nottinghamshire Guardian. that a s erious rupture is R r A kil‘WIT. GRE AT — W e regret to hear Ally to take place between the engine- dr ivers of the Great Western authorities and the en • Railway. The drivers that a pinching system p ti al o m f n e ef fi ec as t t in been insidiously of economy has for some very aa petty th a the introduced for the purpose re ductions in the locomotive expenditurL sav ing even of the few bags of coke consumed in the lighting of an engine is allowed to interfere with that reasonable comfort and convenience which the servant has a right to claim at the hands of his master. The most recent determination to impose additional labour, without additional pay, upon the engine-drivers, i s stated to us to be evidenced in an alteration which is, on the Ist of March (yesterday) to come into operation amonst the drivers of the South Devon line, which is worked by the Great Western Company.—Somerset Gazette. ALLEGED MURDER AT BRISTOL.—A coroner's in quest sat on Monday at Bristol to investigate the death of Margaret Culley, aged 25 years. A number of wit nesses were examined, from the evidence of whom it appeared that the deceased was brought to the infir mary about one o'clock on Sunday morning, quite dead. There was a wound on her left temple, and a contusion over her left eye. De sth was occasioned by a concus sion of the brain. It further appeared that about ten o'clock on the previous night a man named Joseph Prigg had threatened :to kill her for not bariag washed his shirt ' • he knocked her down and kicked her on the head and side. The coroner having summed up, the jury returned a verdict of " Manslaughter" against Prigg, who was committed to take his trial at the next Gloucestershire Assizes. At the North Pool mining meeting, a dividend of 251. per share was declared, ;and a balance or 517/. 153. 3d. carried to neat account. EXHIBITION OF INDUSTRY OF ALL NATIONS TO BE HELD IN LONDON, 1851. The Committee appointed by the Royal Commis sion to advise on " all matters relating to the build ing," having received the sanction of the Commission, are desirous of obtaining from all parties who are disposed to assist them suggestions for the general arrangement of the buildings and premises required for this exhibition. Upon the general form of the building in plan, the distribution of its parts, the modes of access, and the internal arrangements and contrivances, will depend the convenience and general fitness of such a build ing ; and it is upon these points that the Committee seek information and suggestions, and wish to en courage the most extended competition in the prepa ration of plans. The Committee do not propose to offer any pecu niary reward for such plans—they rely upon the desire which men of all countries will feel to forward the objects of the proposed exhibition. The Committee think it probable that, when the plans are received, they may not be limited to the selection of any one plan, but may derive useful ideas from many ; and that the best :plan may be deter mined upon by the help of this general assistance. As the credit of any such plan will be due solely to the contributors, the Committee propose to make a report, in which they will acknowledge by name.those whose plans had been wholly or partially adopted, or who had afforded the most useful suggestions ; and the Committee hope to be able to offer such other ho norary distinctions to the successful contributors as the circumstances may appear to warrant. In order to guide the contributors in the prepara tion of such plans and designs, and to facilitate the examination and the comparison of them when re ceived, the Committee have enumerated concisely the principal desiderata for such a building, and have laid down certain rules and conditions to which they ear nestly request the contributors to conform, as the Committee will be under the necessity of abiding strictly by the regulation of not acknowledging any plans which may be sent_in a form inconsistent with these rules. Copies of the engraved plan of the ground referred to may be had on application to the secretaries of the Commission, at the New Palace at Westminster. RULES AND CONDITIONS TO BE STRICTLY OBSERVED IN PREPARING A GROUND PLAN AND SECTION OF THE BUILDING TO BE ERECTED IN HYDE-PARK. 1. The communications from contributors must consist of a single sheet of paper not larger than the accompanying engraving, with a simple ground plan upon a scale of 1-1000 of the full size, with such eleva tions and sections only of the building, and on the same sheet, as may be necessary to elucidate the system proposed—such elevations and sections not being in tended to convey more than a general idea of the building, and not entering into details of construction or of architectural decoration ; to be accompanied by a . short, clear; written explanation of the system recom• mended on a different sheet. Any contributor wishing to send two designs must send separate and distinct communications, each conforming to the above conditions. No communica tions made inconsistent with these conditions, or any plan prepared upon a different scale from that pre scribed can be received. The plans, &c., must bt sent on or before the Bt.h of April next, addressed to the Secretaries of the Exhibition, New Palace, at West minster, London. It is suggested that the most convenient mode of preparing the plan, elevation, and section, would be to draw them upon one of the engraved copies of the plan of the ground which accompany these instruc tions. 2. The building is to be erected upon the space marked A B C D, and must not extend beyond the boundaries of the shaded portion. The groups of trees shown on the plan must be preserved. The principal public approaches are by the roads E F and G H. The road K L will be available only for foot passengers. There will be no objection to the formation of cross-roads between the two last, G II and K L, if the design of the building re quires it. 3. The roofed portion of the building is to cover a space of 700,000 square feet, or about 65,000 square metres ; and the whole building must not occupy, in cluding open spaces, an area of more than 900,000 square feet, or about 84,000 square metres. The building generally will be of one story only. 4. No space will be required for cattle, or for shrubs or flowers. 5. It may be assumed, so far as it affects the ground plan, that the light will be obtained entirely from the roof, and the building will be constructed of fireproof materials. GENERAL REQUIREMENTS. 1. Simplicity of arrangement. 2. Economy of space. 3. Capability of extending or curtailing the build ing, without destroying its symmetry as a whole, or interfering with the general arrangement, it being impossible to determine the exact extent of roof re quired until a late period of construction. 4. Adaptation for the erection of separate portions of the building at different periods. 5. Conveniences of ingress and egress, with facili ties of access to all parts of the exhibition, either from the exterior or interior. 6. Means of classification of the various objects of different departments.* 7. Wall space for the display of articles re quiring it. 8. Means of affording private access and accom modation for exhibitors, with counting-houses (if required), committee-rooms, council-rooms, public refreshment-rooms, and all other public and private accommodation. [This portion of the building may be in two or more storeys, if required.] 9. Internal arrangements, by which, under proper regulations, large crowds of visitors may circulate freely, and have convenient access to all parts of the exhibition, and uninterrupted means of examining the various objects exhibited. * The Commission have determined upon the following classification : Section L Raw materials and produce; illustrative of the natural productions on which human industry is em ployed. 11. Machinery for agricultural, manufacturing, engi neering, and other purposes, and mechanical inventions; illustrative of the agents which human ingenuity brings to bear upon the products of nature. 111. Manufactures ; illustrative of the result pro duced by the operation of human industry upon natural produce. IV. Sculpture, models, and the plastic art generally ; illustrative of the taste and skill displayed in such ap plications of human industry. Of which sections IL and 111. will probably require by far the largest space. LORD DENMAN AND THE BAR. The following correspondence has been sent us for publication : (Copy.) Temple, March 1, 1850. My Lord—l should have desired in open court, before the profession and the public, to give utterance to the regret of the bar that illness compels your Lordship to resign the high office you have long filled with dis tinguished honour t 3 yourself and with eminent advan. tage to your country. I may thus, however, be allowed to convey the ex pression of our feelings, and to assure your Lordship that the learning, the impartiality, the high sense of honour, the firmness and the dignity which marked and ennobled your administration of justice have always commanded admiration and respect; while every prac titioner in your Lordship's court bears grateful testi mony to the kindness and the courtesy that endeared you to us all. We are sensible that failing health and advancing years entitle your Lordship to lay aside the arduous duties of the Judge; but we pray that you may be blessed with vigour to enjoy the leisure you have justly earned, and to devote to the public service the patriotism and the eloquence already so conspicuous in the annals of Parliament. _ _ _ In the evening of an eventful life your Lordship will carry with you into retirement the affectionsee sympa thies of every member of the profession, and will reap some reward for your labours in the knowledge that you will long live in their memory an example to applaud and emulate. _ _ _ I have the honour to be, my Lord, with sentiments of sincere respect and affection, your Lordship's faithful servant, JOHN JEnvis. The Eight Hon. the Lord Denman, &c. 38, Portland-place, March 1, 1850. Dear Mr. Attorney,—l receive with the highest satis faction your kind letter, expressing your own sentiments and those of the bar in general, on my retirement from office. If I have merited in any degree your valuable approbation, I am conscious that mainly it must be as cribed to the learning, liberality, and candour by which you and your brethren rendered the performance of my laborious duties during so many years both easy and delightful. Fully aware of my many deficiencies in other re spects, I yet will not disclaim the praise of a constant and earnest endeavour to discover truth and promote justice; and it is my pride to feel that, with the assist ance of my excellent colleagues, I have not failed in my anxious wish to sustain, and even elevate, the character of the English bar. Among the many consolations which support me in taking this painful step, none will be more effectual than to witness the increasing pros perity and honour of the profession which you so worthily represent. With every feeling of esteem and respect towards yourself, I remain, my dear Mr. Attorney, your faithful and obedient servant, DENMAN. farsn Hors.—One or two arrivals of small quan tities of hops from Ireland, the produce of that country, have recently taken pisce, and the vessel, Ranger, ar rived from Dublin, Belfast, and Waterf)rd, resrectively, has brought 11 bales of hops as a portion of her cargo, which, being the largest importation cf the kind from that country, is of interest. Dispatches from the Governors of the North American Colonies were received yesterday at the ColoniRl• office. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT, ROUSE OF LORDS, March 4. Their Lordships assembled at Half•past Four o'clock. LORD GOUGEI. Viscount GOUGU took the oaths and his seat. The gallant veteran arrived shortly after four o'clock, and proceeded to the robing-room. He then appeared at the table robed as a Viscount. He was introduced by Viscount Ilawardet, and Viscount Hardinge, who were also robed. Having taken the oaths, the Noble and Gallant Lord took his seat upon the Viscounts' bench. The Lord Chancellor then approached him and shook bands with him cordially, as did several other Noble Lords. The Duke of Cambridge was present at the interesting cere mony. The Noble and Gallant Viscount appeared in excellent health. After remaining upon the Viscounts' bench for a short time, he (having previously retired and disrobed) returned and took his seat upon the cross benches. AFFAIRS OF ALDERNEY-CASE OF MRS. RI LEY. Lord BROUGHAM moved for papers relating to the death of a woman named Riley, and certain papers re lating to certain transactions which had taken place in Alderney and Guernsey. He had received the opinion of certain grave and learned judges. Manslaughter, at least, had been committed in that case, and if on the production of those papers matters should assume an aspect not only doubtful but debateable, not only debateable but detestable, then the slander would fall, not upon his worth, but slander would recoil upon that service in which the guilty should be retained. RAILWAY AUDIT BILL. Earl GRANVILLE said, that as the railway com panies had not taken any steps to introduce a Bill for the audit of railway accounts, he now would in troduce a Bill for that purpose, which he would move should be read a first time. He proposed that the Board of Audit should be formed in the following manner : That each railway company should, at a special general meeting, to be called immediately after the first general meeting, in 1851, elect one delegate to choose the rail way audit board. He proposed that in the election delegates of companies which had paid up 2,000,0001. should have one vote, those of companies who had paid up more than 2,000,0001. and less than 5,000,000/. should have two votes, those who had paid up above 5,000,0001 and under 7,000,000/. three votes, and those who had paid up morn than 10,000,0001. should have four votes. The delegates on their first meeting should choose a chairman and two members, who should constitute the board. The members of the board to be irremovable except by a vote of two-thirds of the delegates con firmed by a decision of the Railway Commissioners. The board to have power to inspect and audit the half-yearly report and accounts of any railway company, and to decide if the financial statement of each company had been properly made out, if the accounts correctly set forth the financial state of the company, if the entries under the set arate heads of capital and revenue were sufficiently distinguished, if the dividend proposed was in jurious to the permanent interests of the railway com pany, if the accounts had been properly passed, and if the state of the company was properly set forth in those accounts. The expense he proposed should be defrayed by a sum of 10,000/., to be paid into the hands of the Com missioners of Railways, and by them to be deposited in the Bank of England to the account of the railway auditors. He proposed that the accounts of the railway auditors should be audited by the Commissioners of Audit of Public Accounts. Such were the principal provisions (1 the Bill, which he moved should be read a first time. After a few words from Lord MONTEAGLE, the motion was agreed to. NATIONAL EDUCATION. Lord STANLEY presented a prtition from some place in Monmouthshire complaining of the management clauses e the minutes of the Committee of Privy Council on national education. He bad no wish to raise a dis cussion on that very large subject on the introduction of this petition. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE was perfectly pre pared to enter upon the discussion, and to lay before their Lordships a plain statement of facts, which would have the effect of putting an end to the numerous mis representations which had been put forth on the subject of the conduct of the Committee of Privy Council. The Bishop r f LONDON wished to avoid any dis- cussion at the present moment. He considered that he stood in some degree in the capacity of a moderator, a-,d he suggested that the whole subject should be referred to a Select Committee. The Archbishop of CANTERBURY acknowledged that the Church could not do her duty in providing for the °location of the people without the assist ance of the State, and he acknowledged the libe rality of Parliament in affording that assistance, but he contended that a satisfactory inspection of schools could be made only by the clergyman of the parish, be cause he only was constantly resident. Lord BROUGHAM :said he had been all his life en gaged in the attempt to promote popular education, which, whether regarded in a moral, a religious, or a political point of view, was a question of paramount importance; but he had always found his efforts thwarted by the conflicting views of the two great parties interested in the question, namely, the Church of England on the one hand, and the Dissenters on the other. Nothing, undoubtedly, was more honest than the good disposition of the Dissenters for the education f the people ; and equally so, nothing could be more honest than the good disposition of the Church of England for the same object; but there was always a de gree cf perversity in human nature which made, them do nothing good absolutely, but only relatively. All the zeal of Dissenters on behalf of education was over gone by a little wish to blindf , ld the Church. and, on the other hand, all the conscientious zeal of the Church for education was exceeded by a desire to obtain a victory over the Dissenters, so that between the two education fell to the ground and was fettered to the earth, or nearly so, instead of winging its way through mid air and mounting to its native skies. It might be asked why it was not so in Scotland? Because there the difference was not with regard to doctrine, but discipline; although he regretted to see that a paltry question of patronage was producing the same lament able effects as the question of doctrine had produced in England. The Bishop of CHICHESTER presented a petition from a large meeting held at Willis's Rooms, complaining of the conduct of the Committee of Privy Council on Education; also, upwards of seven hundred petitions from various p l aces to the sa me effect. Ile hoped the Government would agree to the suggestion of the Bishop cf London for a Committee of Inquiry f)r the purpose of ascertaining some mode of reconciling the differences between the National Society and the Committee of Privy Council. were e iv e red d.he The Bishop of T. DAVID'S said he was always Right Rev. Prelate (Chi attended with the result of favourable to inquiry, but he could not agree in the ex opheceetatetiro)nthexatprietsswedoulbdy be e e allaying the excitement which prevailed upon the sub ject. It might indeed be the means of dissipating some of the misapprehensions which were ertertained on the subject. The representation made upon this subject, and the vague charges made against the management, acted forcibly upon susceptible imaginations. The more vague they were the more difficult to remove or to allay the alarm which was caused by them. He did not think any good result would follow from the inquiry, prepared hprinciplesa d which e t hv o iecrha lco aband on u d and, after all, they would have to go to first principles greatest t a est • - considertahnedm. He e thought owuhgehtth these s they not T aheedEoaurlgh oft not HA Rteßboewabßayndsoani peti tions on the subject to present. The Government on this matter had made experiments, but had not y* and the consequence pro duced any entire plan of management. New measures uncertainty upon the subject. He hoped the question would not be allowed was s e t h p a r t od t u h c e e r d e fromwes the e y to drop, and if no other person took it up, he would take an opportunity of calling their Lordships' attention to it. Lord BROUGHAM said he did not know that this subject would be brought forward, and he was in conse quence taken :by surprise. It was but justice to say that this plan was based upon a report of a Committee of the House of Commons which sat in the years 1816 and 1818, of which he was the chairman. He did not know whether anything had been done upon it, but it met with unanimous approval. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said the Right Rev. Prelate who presented the petition avoided going into the arguments in support of it. Had he done so he would have been prepared to go into the whole plan; and with regard to the facts upon which it was founded, he was prepared to bring forward evidence to set them aside. The parties who signed the petition did so upon statements which a clergyman of the Church of England came forward at a meeting, to con tradict, but ho was not permitted to do so. The Noble Lord opposite said there was much excitement, but tbat was produced by statements which, where reli gion and charity were concerned, should be far from misrepresentation of facts. He would, however, sub mit two or three facts. It bad been stated at the meet ing to which he alluded that the Church of England did not receive its fair share of the fund granted for educa tion, under the direction of the Privy Council. Th e fact, however, was that it received four.fifths of the en tire grant,—(Hear, hear.) If be bad expected any complaints upon this point, it would not be from the Church of England, but from the Dissenters, who did not receive a share in proportion to their numbers. The Church of England received an equal portion—four fifths—for building schools, and in the same proportion for pupil teachers. It was further stated that not a single shilling was granted, except upon subscription to what was called the management clauses; whereas a great many thousands were granted for books and pupil masters. It was also stated that there was nothing to be found throughout the minutes but which showed a determination to disconnect education from religion; whereas in the whole process of examination of the teachers an acquaintance with the catechism of the Church of England was required. If the allegation was true he would have nothing to do with it, and at once give up any share fh the management, and, instead of supporting it, would vote for putting a stop to it altogether. There were eight hundred schools already established through its means. The scholars were increasing, and received the most sa tisfactory accounta of the usefulness of these schools, which were superintended by clergymen of the Estab lished Church. He considered that it was a most effi cient modo of education, and was a very great contrast to what had previously existed. A desire had been ex pressed for a Committee. If a motion was made for that object, ho would state his opinions; but he warned them of the danger of granting it, as great difficulties would be found in dealing with the claims of the various sectarians who would prefer claims for participation in a Government grant. Whenever tho motion wag brought forward, he would state his views fully upon the subject. There should be made in the Committee of Inquiry, a full statement of the grounds upon which applications for grants were entertained, and of the principles upon which, when made, they were to ba distributed. The conversation then dropped. . . The Bishop of LONDON presented two petitions from places, the names of which were inaudible, praying for an inquiry into the distribution of the funds dispensed by the Committee of Privy Ciluncil on Education. The Earl of lIARROWBY then presented several petitions to the same effect. Earl POWIS presented a petition from the clergy cf Ripon praying for an alteration in the law with regard to matters of appeal on points of doctrine in the Church of England. PARTY PROCESSIONS (IRELAND) BILL. Their Lordships then went into Committee on this Bill. The Duke of WELLINGTON said that he rose to object to the principle of the Bill. He was so unfortu nate as to be in a different part of the country on the day on which tie Noble Lord opposite moved the second reading of the Bill, and, consequently, he had not then an opportunity of stating his objections. His opinion was that the Bill did not go far enough. As it stood at present, it would not put an end to the state of diEturb ance in Ireland, which it was the intention of Govern ment to put an end to. Besides the disturbances like those at Dolly's Brae, there were other disturbance s which had taken place which would not be prevented by the stale of the law as provided for by this Bill. It was well known that Catholics were in the habit of burying the dead with great formality, which it was the common practice of other parties to interrupt, and this practice cten led to disturbances really as fatal as any of those disturbances caused by procession.— (Hear, hear.) He did not see why the Legislature should not at once prevent persons in Irelaed from appearing abroad in arms.—(Cheers.) For what reason should the peasantry of that country be allowed the privilege of appearing abroad in arms when that pri vilege did not exist in any other part of the civilized world?—(Hear.) Why should these parties be allowed to appear in arms, except for .opportunities of amuse ment, and if carried for that purpose why should they not be made to produce game certificates, and be called upon to account for the possession of arms? He thought that the local magistrates, by means of the constabulary at their disposal, ought to protect these parties from being attacked by others who came there in arms.— ,Hear, hear.) He hoped a clause would be inserted in this Bill to enable the justices of the peace to disperse any meetings where parties were carrying arms, and to deprive those individuals of their arms who should ap pear on those occasions either in procession or attacking funeral processions with arms in their hands. He gave notice that on the third reading he would propose a clause to prevent any person appearing in arms in Ire land out of his own house, unless for the purpose of amusement or field sports, as in this country. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said that as the title of the Bill referred only to party processions, he did not think it expedient to convert it into an arms Bill, which he was not prepared to say might not be necessary on a future occasion, when the suggestions of the Noble Duke would meet with the consideration which so important a subject deserved. Lord MONTEAGLE said he thought the Govern meat would not be doing their duty if they were not prepared to enter into the important subject of tf . e pos session of arms by the Irish peasantry. The possession of arms by these parties was inconsistent with the best interests of their country, and of the peasantry them selves. That had been asserted both by the leaders of the Liberal party and Catholic clergymen. The propo sition he would make was very simple. The Act de clared that if the procession did not disperse when the Riot Act was read, the arms should be f )rfeited. He thought the forfeiture should apply whether the parties dispersed or not. He would leave the suggestion in tee hands of the Noble Marvis (the Marquis of Lens doerne), believing that were this suggestion embodied in an amendment by the Government the Bill would be much more perfect. The LORD CHANCELLOR thought that the subject was worthy cf consideration, but feared that there would be considerable difficulty in carrying it out in practice, as in many cases the rarties carrying the arms would be much more numerous than the constabulary opposed to them. Lord STANLEY said he thought that if the object could be attained of preventing the carrying arms in public without any necessity, it would be a benefit of great importance to the country. lie e - mid understand the difficulty suggested by the Noble Marquis opposite (Lansdowne) with respect to the title of the Bill, as it regarded the amendment proposed by the Noble Duke (Wellington), but he thought the same objection would not hold against the suggested amendment by the Noble Lord, for although there might be a difficulty in seizing the arms at first, the parties might be subsequently identified and deprived of their arms. The Bill then passed through Committee, and the House resumed, when the report was ordered to be brought up on Thursday. The Eeelesilst;eal Commission Bill was read a third time and passed. Their Lordships then adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS, March 4. The SPEAKER took the Chair at Four o'clock. ELECTION FOR THE CITY QF LONDON. The SPEAKER said he had received a communica tion, stating that it was not the intention of the parties to proceed with the petition which hal been presented against the return of Baron Rothschild for the city of London. GREAT CENTRAL GAS BILL. In reply to Mr. REYNOLDS, Mr. WYLD said it was not the intention of the I ar tirs promoting the Great Central Gas Consumers' Com pany (No. 2) Bill to interfere with the existing supplies c,f gas in the parish cf St : Pancras. The Bill was then read a second time. SECOND READINGS. The fullowing Bills were read a second time, and or dered to be committed:— Furmer's Estate Society (Ireland). Ipswich General Cemetery. lisilway Assurance Company. PETITIONS. Mr. REYNOLDS presented several petitions in favour of the reduction of the duty on paper. A considerable number of petitions were presented against Sunday labour in the Post-office. Mr. BROWN presented petitions from places in Lan cashire praying for a reduction of the duty on tes. Sir G. STRICKLAND presented a petition from Preston, signed by 4,300 persons, to the same effect. Sir J. W ALMSLEY presented three petitions from places in Lancashire in favour of the establishment of county financial_ boards. Mr. THICKNESSE presented a petition praying for a reduction of the duty on tea ; also a petition praying for an extension of the county courts. Sir R. H. INGLIS presented several petitions against the Marriage Bill. Lord ROBERT GROSVENOR presented a petition numerously signed by the inhabitants of Westminster, praying for better sanitary regulations in the metropolis. Mr. KERSHAW presented a petition from Stockport in favour of a reduction of the tea duties. Mr. HODGES presented a petition from Kent for a reduction of the hop duty. Sir D. DUNDAS presented a petition from Suther landshire in favour of the Marriage Bill. Sir B. HALL presented a petition in favour cf esta blishing superannuation funds for poor-law officers. Mr. GOULBURN presented a petition from the rural deanery of Hastings against the Marriage Bill. Mr. M. GIBSON presented a petition signed by 8,000 persons, praying for a reduction on the duty on tea; also a petition in favour of the establishment of county finan cial boards ; and a petition praying for a system of se cular education, to be supported by local rates. Sir W. MOLESWORTH presented a petition praying for the abolition of the tax on newspapers. Mr. FRE WEN presented a petition in favour of county financial boards; also a petition praying for summary jurisdiction in cases of petty larceny. Mr. HUME presented a petition from ratepayers in the county of Stafford, agreed to at a public meeting, in favour of county financial boards. NOTICES OF MOTION. Mr. REYNOLDS - gave notice of his intention to move amendments in Committee to certain clauses of the Irish Registration Bill. Mr. MACGREGOR gave notice of his intention, on an early day, to move the abolition of the stamp duties on bills of lading, charter parties, and other shipping documents. Sir E. BUXTON gave notice of his intention, on an early duy, to move a resolution to the effect that it was impolitic to expose the British producer of sugar in the home market t) the competition of slave• growing states. EXPORTS. In reply to a question from Mr. WODEHOUSE, re lative to the exports of gold from this country in the year of scarcity 1800 and 1801, and also of the previous year of scarcity, 1795, in connexion with the import of corn and grain of all kinds in the same period. Mr. LABOUCHERE said there were no official ac counts of the export of gold before the year 1800, while, with regard to those of the year 1801, the accounts were of a ♦ery meagre and incomplete character. It would, therefore, not serve the purpose of the Hon. Gentleman to lay them before the House. DANISH AFFAIRS. Mr. SANDARS observed that one day last week, he gave notice of his intention to put a question to the Noble Lord at the head of the Foreign Department, relative to the Danish war, but the Noble Lord was not in his place on Friday, and he was forced to renew his notice for to-night. The Noble Lord, however, being still not in his place, he begged leave to put his question to the Noble Lord at the head of the Government. Some arrangement had been come to betw een P russ i a and Austria for a continuance of the Danish armistice, and he should be glad to know upon what conditions the renewal had taken place. --- Eerd J. RUSSELL was not in s position to tar nish the Honourable Gentleman with the infor mation. The negotiations in the affair were still ending, and he was not in a condition to answer the question. Mr. SAND ARS did not consider the answer at all satisfactory, and gave notice of his intention to repeat the question acme day this week, adding that if the Noble Lord the Fo re i gn Mi n i ster were no t in his place to answer it, he should move the adjournment of the House for an hour, to ena bl e th e N o ble Lord to be in at tendance. SIR F. COLLIER'S DISPATCHES. Sir EDWARD BUXTON asked Lord John Russell, in the absence of the First Lord of the Admiralty, when Rear-Admiral Sir F. Collier's dispatches, dated Septet ber, 1849, inclosing Commander Farquhar's report of his proceedings on the 31st July, 1849, would be laid before the House. He (Sir E. Buxton) wished to know whether those papers would be laid on the table before the House went into Committee on the Naval Estimates? MARCH 5, 1850. Lord J. RUSSELL did not know wheti Ler or nut the papers were ready to be laid on the table. Mr. HUME said the papers in quest on wore the Sarawak papers, and it was of the hi `hest importance they should have that correspondence 1. lid on the table of the House, because it turned out that her Majesty's Government ordered 200 of her Majesty's:, lroops to go from Madras to the support of Sarawa.l , , et' which Par liament had no notice; and it was necessary to know on what grounds those troops were sent there. Mr. LABOUCHERE quite agreed wi 'a the Hon. Member that it was necessary thut these pm Tors should be laid before the House before any digs 3ussion was taken on the subject. TREATMENT OF PAUPERISM (I.ItELAND) SCARIFF UNION. Mr. POULETT SCROPE begged to rig lc the Noble Lord at the bead of the Govcrcment i Nether any measures, and if so what measures, had lie en taken to remedy the abuses which had taken place in the union workhouse of &aria'. He was credit tly informed that during the last six weeks not only had those paupers, who were under medic all. treatment, been deprived of the sustenance necessary .fc r their con dition, but that also the 4,774 who A ere w, or rather ought to be, the recipients of parochial relief:. They had none of the requisite enjoyments which w necessary to their condition, neither meat, milk, nom any of the other comforts which they required. Lord J. RUSSELL must confess that the pipers which he had received were not quite so complete as they ought to have been, but it did appeal that on the 16th of September,, there were 2,546 persi4 is who were receiving relief, and that 8,000 appeared &A the books on the 9th of January. On the 29th of September, 20,0001. had been given from the Rate a a Aid, and that since then not less than 13,0001. had 'IJ een given in advances. In addition to this, 2,0001. ha . since been provided, and now a rate of 4s. in the po u nd had just been male. GOVERNMENT BUSINEE g;. In reply to Sir W. MOLESWORTH, :as to whether it was the intention of the Government proceed with the Australian Colonies Bill, on Friday ni !21, t, Lord JOHN RUSSELL said the Govor nment would not proceed with the Bill, as he purpose d, on Friday next, to go into a Committee of Supply, a old to take the first two votes of the Army Estimates; Luz d he intended toafix Monday for going into the Navy Et ;timates. He hoped the Chancellor of the Exchequer v= ould be suffi ciently recovered to make his financial st ternent on the 15th instant, the day which had been on binally fixed for the purpose. Ir; r.:ply to another question from E. ar W. MOLES WORTH, Lord J. RUSSELL said the Gover c ment would fix the 26th for the Australian Colonies DANISH QUESTIO/ In reply to Mr. SANDALS, LordIALMERSTON said that nc r renewal of the armistice had yet been agreed upon b vtwcen Denmark on the one hand. and Frankfurt and Be lin on the other, but her Maj , sty's Government had bet la in communica tion with many parties, with the viev. , of obtaining a fixed prorogation of the armis L ice, ai well as for the purpose of obtaining a final settle ment. There were difficulties on bo sides which ball, as yet, prevented a renewal of the armistice, but the armistice continued de facto, and •would continue until one of the parties gave notice of th eir intention to bring it to a termination. He did not, however, think that either party had any wish at pre=en 2 to give such a notice. ADJOURNMENT DURING EASISR RECESS. hi reply to an HON. MEMBER, Lord J. RUSSELL said it was his intenti.on to propose the adjournment of the House from TUE Sday in Passion week until Monday the Bth of April. GREECE. Mr. lIUME wished t) know in what position our pc , litical relations stood with reference to I. ireece. Lord PALMERSTON said the state of our relations was this. It was thought necessary, of ter repeated ap• plicttionl, to make, a peremptory de ma nd upon the Government of Greece, but that being ased reprisals were commenced which his Hon. Friend would know consisted in taking certain property, whist t was held as security for the payment of demands.--t ;Hear, hear.) Those reprisals were carried on to a certain extent ; the good offices of the French Government had been accepted; but by the last accou' cts it did dot appear that the :gent of the French Government had arrived in Greece. The diplomatic relit :ions of this country with Greece had, however, never bet n suspeLded; and Mr. Wyse, although he had embarked on board a man-of-wa; had continued in diploma tic commu nication with the Government, and ,no courtesy was omitted on his side. On the anniversary of the birth of tke Queen of Greece, it appeared that our Am bassador had been saluted with all honours.—(llear.) MERCANTILE MARINE In reply to Lord J. MANNERS, Mr. LABOUCLIERE said that he would not be able to propose the second reading of that Bill before Easter. WESTERN AUSTRALI A. Sir F. THESIGER wished to ask the Attorney-Ge neral whether the answer which h© ha d given to the Hon. Member for Southwark was one whi ch he meant to abide by ? The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said th.tt he never gave an opinion in that House which he was not pre pared to abide by. The law which expired on the 10th of August was only a temporary one, and gave the Crown the power to create a council for t'ce order, peac,., and good government, and ho thought that taxation was a part of good government. Sir W. MOLESWORTH said that the question which he had aslrel, was ono very different feotn that which the Attorney-General had answered. The ques• tion was, v.hether the laws mad 2 by the council were legal, or illegal, and whether it had the power cf taxa tion. Si: F. THESIGER—WiII my Hon. and Learned Friend allow me to ask him this question ? Has the council now power to make laws for the taxation of the colony? The ATTORNEY-GENERAL—Certainly; or any other question my Hon. and Learcel Friend msy wish to put. IRISH FREEMEN. Colonel CIIATTERTON wished to ask the Right Hon. Baronet the Secretary for Ireland if he had any objection to introduce a clauke into the Irish Registration Bill, giving unresident voters residing within the bounds of the county the right of voting. Sir WILLIAM sOSIERVILLE was not prepared to give such au undertaking, but it was open to the Hon. and Gallant Member to move such en amendment, and take the sense of be House upon it. IRISH REGISTRATION BILL. The House then into Committee on this Bill. On the question being put that clause stcond, as amended, should stand part of the Bill, Sir R. FERGUSON believed there was a very general feeling among the Irish Members that the introduction of a franchise for joint rating, in counties, would be a most mischievous and perilous institution. It would give rise to the most fearful subdivision of the land, and he hoped the Noble Lord (Lord J. Russell) would not press the clause. Lord J. RUSSELL was anxious to hear what:the opinions of the Irish Members were. Mr. REYNOLDS said the Hon. Baronet (Sir R. Ferguson) had stated that a system of franchise from joint rating would be attended with great subdivision of the land. He (Mr. Reynolds) believed it wohld have a very different effect, and that effect would be, that where a farmer was rated at any sum that would give a double vote, his son would vote as well as himself in the same way that mercantile partnerships did in boroughs fir the property which they held as partners. He trusted that the omission of this clause would still be made, and he was OA to hear that the Noble Lord had declared that he was ready to abide in all, or at least most matters of detail, by the opinion of the Irish Members. Colonel DUNNE would have been inclined to support the clause, but that he saw that it would inevitably t‘md to reduce instead of extending the franchise in Ireland, and he felt compelled therefore to support the amend ment. After a few words from Mr. FITZPATRICK in ar. proval of the systm proposed, Mr. FAGAN said that in his county there were a great number of joint occupancies, and unless the privi lege of the franchise were ext en d e d to those joint occu pancies the whole project of the Bill would be defeated. Mr. GROGAN said the effect of this clause would be the sub-division of properties in Ireland. Dr. POWER supported the clause. He could not in the least see that what was anticipated by the Hon. Member opposite would be brought about by this Bill. Mr. GRATTAN hoped that the Noble Lord would not be de:erred by all this talk from carrying out the clause. Mr. FOX thought that this clause would give oppor tunity in many instances for farmers to subdivide their property in order to give a voto to their sone or brothers. Mr. CLEMENT'S supported the amendment. Under all circumstances it was very desirable that this clause should be expunged. Mr. SADLEIR said the Noble Lord at the head of the Government must at once determine upon withdrawing or retaining this most important clause, as it was totally impossible to obtain anything like unanimity upon a subject of this nature amongst Irish Members. It was purely a politi cal question, and unanimity could, therefore, not be expected ; but he thought it WRS highly desirable that the chose should be continued. The Irish Reform Bill had failed to carry out the inten tions of the Legislature, and as, after all, this Bill would only give Ireland a stunted and meagre con stituency, they could not afford to sacrifice this clause. The 5/. franchise in fee, irrespective of occupancy, and the occupation franchise were both objectionable. How could the House check corruption by enlarging the number of voters out of the land in connexion with actual occupation and residence? Under the operation of this Bill, even with the retention of clause 2, there would be a very scanty constituency afforded to the people of Ireland. The joint tenancy bad been long enjoyed by the people of England, and who had heard of its being abused in England? He was aware how much these clauses were likely to operate to the disadvantage of the seseral tenants in Ire land, and how likely they were to work to the disad vantage of the joint occupants of land in that country. Clause 102 appeared to him useless and pernicious, and calculated only to do injury to the Irish tenantry, with out being of the slightest service to the English ' contributor. Mr. ROEBUCK said that there were few subjects connected with Ireland with regard to whieh any sufficient information was possessed by English Mem bers, and he, for one, felt himseT in considerable difficulty as to what he should do. All, then, that he could do was to appeal to the Noble Lord at the heed of the Government to state what the effect of this clause wai intended to be. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that be had received V.? , bast veral sugasstiors from Irish Members that t , te claims would be very injurious in Ireland, but sine ° .1 ' le Bill had come uneer discussion be had 5° aereement arrona Irish Members that he bad resolved- r: abide by his original determination. Mr. STAFFORD congratulated the Noble Lord on the determination he had expressed cf not taping tulY adThe vice AT in that side of the House. that the TORNEY-GENERAL considered evils pointed out by the lion. Gentleman vrould r( merited by the omission of the clause, but, ea the ccu trary, would he rather increased. e s , the Mr. HERBERT observed that the case Put - l a m e d Learned Attorney-Genered was where the 'lulu' s - 1 ; e took no interest in his tenant, whereas the Cti° pe t l' h‘t his lion. Friend the Member for Nuttingbans is ot, tieo landlord who did take an interest in his clause if and was anxious for political influence. The e ` e— is e in carried would open the door to jobbing, and res t ! u hi danger to the social condition of Ireland, and he su e certainly ()rpose it. Mr. lIUME said they were not discussing the P r . e : 1 priety of giving landlords votes, but of extending 07. franchise to the tenant, end es the smell farmer I v l t he titlid to it as a matter ef right, he should suPPerthey clause. Let the electors have vote by b a llot and might set at nought the influence of landlords On r o ore hand and the priest: on tho other. He hoped Government would persevere with the clause. 00 s Mr. SCULLY thought this was a national, ane u ni o, a mite borough, question. Ile contende d th during its progress, had been opposed factiously. ie. Viscount CASTLEREAGH opposed They were, by this Bill, altering the whole constituea Y if Ireland, no data to go upon. After some observations from Mr. ROEBTJCIC., the Sir F. THESIGER congratulated the House on re. consideration the Government had given to the m e —(Cheers and laughter.) Ile thought the .Noble at the head of the Government had gi ven sl this clause, but, finding that some of the er' s a Members would support him, be bad Stooped down and picked up the clause that be but shortly befsre thrown away.- - eal ang " te ot the ells% lie would serious') ask the Noble Lord whether or great mischief would result from the adop tion of W.' clause?—(Hear, hear.) aid Colonel RAW DON believed that the clause age greatly increase the constituency o f Ireland, aDia greatly therefore support it. Ha felt that the . ent would be good for nothing without it, and he had sufdel,e"at. confidence in the people of Ireland to feel a ssured they would not abuse the benefit it gave them• t the Mr. ANSTEY said it should be remembered theacy qualification given by that Bill was one of ()WTI re and not one of tenancy. He thought that the fac t Id be quiring that the party claiming the franchise shou• re e ' rated to the amount of 81. would ho a sufficient P tion against abuse. rest Mr. SHEIL said that at present there existed A g. OO evil in Ireland connected with the systems of de votes. That evil way, that a landed propietor could grant nominal annuities to five or six stms or n e ,P ene gh who were entitled to be pl a ced on the registry, 3:tco-vgil they derived no real ben e fit f r om the land, an d all- g reat they occupied no portion of it. That was a ver evil for which there existed no remedy. Now , ' lu; ta- hose it was possible that abuses might arise under that ewes —and he knew no system whi c h was not liab le to their —there would et all events be two checks against f to . occurrence; one of these checks was that each o . e b of parties should be rated ; and the other was that f f - t he/ them should occupy. But, on the other bane, ereat were to deny e right of voting to joint occupiers ';', o in injustice would be done to many of the tradesmsehss towns.— [An HoN. Mamma on the opposite he o l i s ted here observed that that portion of the Bil l r ; t hat to to county franchise only.] He was ° car s ore it related to the county franchise only. Bat thero wo „ m be a r n s y , a l i a a e i g y e ,h t o o s w e n i s llh in ab l it r a e n la t h e d bwandichverryeturned no votes Pr°P e for the county representatives. The towns i e n fr b i s if h li t ti r t e aa e le ts; and of Carrick, for instance, had each 12 , 000 and returned no Members. Now, in these townst rer al in all callers similarly circumstanced, there were 5e were J oint occupier s c are) ing on trade togethe r ; and o f the those men, he would ask, to be wholly deprived close franchise? He did n o t d en y that under that tidos some abuse might arise fie m the creation of gewauld votes, but he believed that preponderance of ev il the, to found to lie i n it s rejection. He would rew"-4.40ra Noble Lord the Member for the county,.DOwn.,aosts Castlereagh) that the mere the number or cons tt ' v ea electione a s extended the a3 snore ( c ) rfe fictitious difficult w v o o u t i e d s it Candid tS d c ii a t l' e i s. - s i ce . seats in that House would then t eve to fish.with net stead of fishing with lines. Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL supported the clause. Or Mr. SADLEIR said he believed the Noble L o i r ta isea Member for the county of Down was m uch r n ` e „ s eiell as to the increase in the number ( f Irish voters_ Noble Lord that in attempting to arrive that Pill would produce. at a car be elusion upon that :point no reliance cote! p to lae t e h d e House. In the he had the honour to represent, sti!uents had a short time e , tutrhnes borougha,hich hoafd been Pre g o bich Carlow; the : aons alphabetical list furnished to the House they o t the r c ri o v u e ld assure theot cor calculated at 445; but he had ascertained ird t b b teo a r t thre e ' s 4(s'°;;33la;edinb Etebli: persons named in that list were put down, tee°, . o ted, eavnedntthoautr thetimes c , t o u t a h l er n s u h m ad be d r i e o d f , and others had migrate e stbeoonratos shape, a r b t p a oe i entitled to vita was only 235. P H er r hessdintaktchne tb rtihn: amon i t t t . o n f i b epi . nion of the Noble Lo h r e d in t he i,Ean e: si a . Eyd h r i a l 3Al o t ioe w w so • at. e i i nd u f u. i t u d h d a b t t e h ß t a h t i e l t l h n w e u y e m r e v, h , e o t r u o l e d p f aasvi lobe reillsiloop roes; clause— ‘lorefi ( v i e i t cheeka r concu r ot ter ) i . ra favour iea sof onetheef o t h rt 6 e i ° hw il e b e w d e oti r i in favour of an extensive franchise; and if e t a g, l'(aLsorddisiersteudssteoll) at a u ti r tha t opportunity cf giving his vote the other o 01 i'ne tor should have voted for an 81. franchise instead tt des chine of 15/. But at the same time he we ° ib°o°uld be/ sirous in eivi that extensive franchise that its h ilt a bona fi de one—(Hear, hear). He belielei " o f the should by that means be fulfilling the intention fir as legislature; but, above all ho should attemp t cres t 'e ing iossfiibelteittoudsisvcootteirs_ag(lla etheatr. hear), abomir t h o le system ° levee . th which system, un d er the 40 s . f ree holds,b e e only much of the laxity and corruption of in sttr of th e : in respect to elections in Ireland, b u t also re" - Yg o a- - social evils of that country.—(Hear, bear.) to ot' jj th e a w t willing to admit that if there were bonafidePint ; titance' —that was to sty, that if three persons, tor em e saS ot tookat rentfa willing ( gustily responsible to the landlord for the PaY in se sch , rm he an: i p s l i .s id ill e i O n / g . of rent, and if each of th ot o f those tenants should be e te nt a i d tl m ed it to th v a o t te il ! 55 i n s also to admit, that if a number of partn ers Wer e a if sitel on a manufacturing est a blishment together, a n cap ita' of them cont r ib ute d bona fide a certain ansount rho fra°' to the concer n , th e y were all fairly entitled 1001 chise. But he s h ou ld con f es s that Lo aPP r n e ccuV ie t t great deal of abuse from giving to each joi ti . lll ' j ott rahr Gentlemen mht bar rated a right to vote. Wh en `...° ;W itte d 4 gued that question, they co n e l e d .. talking of each tenant.-(Hear, hear.) resP e b e a that each bona fide joint-tenant, who was equalifosed in shale wifh others for the rent, ought tee e allowed law place his name on the registry. That as „ o isg England and in Scotland. But they were riet e a_s e; t he/ impose the restriction of tenancy or of joint -ten etet'oncY' used the word occupancy as distinguished win% although in their speeches they could not h e gf tenancy. It was said that the PaY ment -0 °ti t would be a sufficient security against aht l ' om oun t matter. But that ho greatly doubted. The o very' ell i, rates payable on an 8/. rating would not b . 0 tos tior to siderable. It might be for the interest of 13, so take h particularly on the approach of an elects° whic upon himself the payment of the tenant's ra te ti ll iseel would amount perhas to Ss. or 10s. T h e e Y e aot t e a s how common it was fora candidate under th o ra te, v 4, lot system of voting to pay up, not only en' tea tints the whole of the arrears of rating due bY a t here °eV' order to qualify him to vote. He had no , siring eo fore, that in many cases in Ireland landlordsinueneertl% multiply their electioneering interest scotilethe pal o° 4 t t h o e p n a s y to t o h d e a ra l t a e. ndl l o i r e d rateilgiehatedee:ythat under , 4 011 : 1 to a tenan sua so P tet accept your sons as tenants; I Shall becomes`uncloaP o it o your rates; but I shall require that Ye° f vote ice occupiers, in order to increase the number „let •f that , r sea my favour." All he said was, that a a to lo ct re l p B t es could be established they would introdiuoetted abuse, and would give encouragement to to to resort to practices similar to those wt hick freeb7he veiled under the 40s. freeholds in Ireda nu nt faoln t o good in the eyes of the law, but as lelif fer f,hte for„ to 403. freeholds of England as it was P° s ''f r eeeb P r ito franchises to be. lie was ready to giv° he e wutd u se s to j c o e i u n i t d t n en e a t n e ts p , p b r u o t ve as of " t o h c e cu e p l a a n u c e y e. " was the aloe lieje uld At the s h ies W° should be ready to listen to any proposal „ t itied,4 o o extend the franchise to all parties fairlY s oact ° ' of But as then advised, he should come to tho us ea at which the Noble Lord had arrived revision the before, and oppose the adoption of that pro we nt of; o f Mr. REYNOLDS thought that the 11, c oat i° e rates gave a sufficient protection agains t of fictitious votes. tou t° g reed' .be Mr. HENLEY said he wished to eels " 3 t hen m it' the Committee to the effect of the clause as of g` e a• on the power of rating possessed by th e " 4 ' joi nt °y e a r' diens. Let him suppose that there Wer e i s e b il e j se Wi r d pants whose property was rated at SOL? ' 003 e5 r e ll ice• sons would all be entitled to have their ch o f as uoa s upon the registry; but if, at the aPPrr t e the a e ° dise Lion, the board of guardians should rea lic u id u e ,.. of their rating by a single pound, they iv° „ t he Ili not franchised. Why that was throvting.3 blood e °tl asott ld guardians a temptation which flesh and is ithstand—(Hear, hear, and laughter) out of rl„r e ed• always be easy to state that the Souse w h a : ro tae re t hat or that the value of the property was ot,,,oo3itteehouto Then, again, ho would remind thes-es'eoa, under that Bill a person occupying a l b ' s " bis ot 7 o ef might claim to be rated, and reight fi ,, t i t iuus 60 60 0 placed on the regi ryst. Why, the r e a l ble ljea ent-charges were in no way cons Para e votes which that system wou ld creatce-tea e ' _now The Committee then divid ed when then 1 44 ••• 10 4 •" For the clause •P• .e. ,40 Against it ••• ..• "• t he P Majority for the clause a. , ea t of . eo tios! The clause was then ordered to steno V e osin i dea to estates in fee, or in tail, or fa• life, &too' t t h p e erso n° 5 13 ;0 10 of I th l e e th C ir e d m c m la it u t s e e e , twhhenichPrpereoeveiddeel t t ° ha o , . he r ate of s 5 ir I s h . o T ul i d n, h ; s a have E v m s f o o v r e ; d c o t u hi n ae t w i s e d s td . :, Tiil l e l biont u e ing words at the commencement of r t e nf isre r s e o f , addition to those qualified by at any election of a knight of the shire, 09 e a jo „ Te cate) . he oer qualification not requiring ject in moving that amenatnent vvs.ts'6'itatjar addition guage of the Bill more complete. bad been made to the fizet apse.