The Sun. — London, England, 1850-07-19 00:00:00

[The ful:owing appeared in our Third Edition of nigiat:---] FF. Ali CE. The Assembly during the sitting of yesterday I adopted the following law of prorogation : " Art. 1. The National A ssembl y is nraregued from Sunday, 12th August, to Monday, 11th November, I.Bao. "Art. '2. A commission of 25 members shall he elected by secret ballot. and by a n absolute mijority, to fulfil in concurrence with the bureau of the As sembly the obligations prescribed by Art. 32 of the Constitution. "The powers of the bureau of the Assembly are pro rogued until the re-assembling of the Assembly." The Assembly then proceeded to discuss the budget of 1851. M. Fould, Minister of Finance, said that on the 4th of April he had informed the Assembly that, accord ing to his provisions, the budget would be balanced by a surplus of 10,000,000, notwithstanding the sup pression of 27,000,000 of the land-tax and 6,000,000 of the mortgage duty. He expressed the opinion that it would not be necessary to recur to a loan or to the creation of new taxes. Three months had since elapsed, and facts had confirmed him in his hopes. The expenditures set down by the Committee for 1851 were estimated at 1,431,000,000 E, although the Government only asked 1,336,000,000 f. That difference of 95,000,000 f. should not be ascribed to any augmentation of the public burdens. It arose from the fact that the Committee had inscribed in the budget the dotation of the binking Fund, which he bud left in blank, 5,000,000 f. fur the working of the Paris and Lyons Railroad, the receipts of which would amply compensate that sum, and various other items, which constituted no augmentation in the expenditures. Tne budget of 1850 would be closed with a deficit of 12000,000, which would be reduced by 6,000,000, produced by the new stamp duty on commercial bills. The deficit of previous years amounted to 260,000,000, to which should be added 3,000,000 for 1848, 249,000,000 for 1849, and 91,000,000 for public works, so that the general defi cit at the close of 1850 would amount to 632,000,000. That sum, however, would be lessened by vari ous items, recovered by the Treasury, and by 15,000,000 already received for 1849. The improve ment in the proceeds of the indirect taxes, which he had fixed at 709,000,000, but which the Com mittee had found exaggerated and was reduced to 698,000,000, was considerable during the six months ending on the Ist of July, showing a surplus of 25,000,000 ; and the amount for the whole year could be estimated at 723,000,000. He thought, however, that it might be safely set down at 740,000,000. That difference of 42,000,000, added to the 15,000,000 for 1849, or 57,000,000, would reduce the general deficit from 632,000,000 to 575,000,000. He then reminded the Assembly that he had authorised the state to sell renter to the amount of 40,000,000, which would be negotiated before the close of the year, and national forests for a sum of 15,000,000, which would con tribute to reduce still more the general deficit and sup ply the Government with funds for public works. The state, moreover, if obliged to terminate the Paris tend Lyons Railroad, intended to concede its working to private industry. Should it dispose of it otherwise the 160,000,000 f. already expended on its construction would afford an important additional resource. M. Fould could not pledge himself that supplementary credits should not be demanded in 1851, but he firmly trusted that they could be met without having recourse to a loan or the creation of new taxes, provided the peace of Europe and internal tranquillity were maintained. Never was the collection of the direct taxes more easily eff?eted. Of the 179,000,000... due on the Ist of July, upwards of 173,000,0001. had been paid into the Treasury. The export of goods of Parisian manufactures declared in the Customs office, ex ceeded those of the corresponding period of last year by 14,000,0001. In Lyons the improvement was not less marked, and the number of unemployed operatives had diminished by two-thirds. In short, the amelioration was general all over the country. The movement of the navigation had also considerably increased. The railroads had produced 2,971,000 f. more than during the first half of 1849. The situation, in short, was most re-assuring, and was to be ascribed in a great measure to the resolute and conservative policy pursued by the Government with the cordial co-operation of the National Assembly. WAR WITH SPAIN. (From the New York Weekly Herald.) S 3 it seems that Mr. Clayton and the present cabinet are determined to have a war, that is if we believe them, with some foreign power, and that Spain is the one selected. Several of the organs of the Cabinet in this metropolis, made the announcement on. Saturday, detailing the positive information that the Secretary of State regards a rupture with Spain almost unavoidable, in consequence of the disputed questions growing out of the recent invasion of Cuba, under the command of Lopez and his pirates, or patriots, as the case may be. In the Tribune we find the following dispatch : "PROBABLE wan. BETWEEN SPAIN AND THE UNITED STATES. " Washington, Friday, June 14. " The Secretary of State has received dispatches from General Campbell, our Consul at Ha vannan, informing the G.)vernment that the Count of Alcov (Governor- General of Cuba) peremptorily refuses to surrender the Contoy prisoners, although proof was clear that they shipped for Caagres, without an intent of participating in the xpedition. "Mr. Clayton has dispatched instructions to General Campl)ell to make an unqualified demand for the pri soners, and in the event of another refusal, war will be declared against Spain. " Mr. Bulwer has given assurances that England will not interfere, considering the course of the United States, thus far, unexceptionable. " Mr. Clayton now evidently regards a rupture with Spain as unavoidable." If this singular announcement appeared in the Tribune alone, the editor of which is in Washing ton, we might, out of pure charity, consider it a re vival of the celebrated Slievegammon intelligence, which was communicated through the same chan nel, during the attempted revolution in Ireland, about a year ago. But this intelligence comes to us from Washington, not on Slievegammon authority alone. It is corroborated, to a very considerable extent, by a more cautious, but equally warlike, announcement in the Courier and _Enquirer, of which the following are the principal points, the one corro borating the other as to what the Cabinet would like to do, had they the power : IMPORTANT FROYI CUBA. "We have private advices by telegraph, from our Ws shington correspondent, which represent the con diteon of our relations with Cuba as being less satisfac- Very than has been reported hitherto. Dispatches 'have been received at the State department, from Mr. Campbell, our Consul at Havennah, by the steamer Isabel, dated June Bth, in which he states that the cap tains of the Georgians and the Sarah Loud will proba bly be exeeutei by the Spanish authorities, unless the United States Government immediately and perempto rily interferes. The other prisoners, it was believed, would be treated with less severity. This was the im pression, not only of the consul, but of the American shipmasters and others in Havannab. " Mr. Campbell asks for positive instructions, peremp torily to demand the surrender of the prisoners, fearing that no other interference would have any effect. The tenor of his dispatches leads our correspondent to inter that at the time they were written Mr. Campbell bad not received Mr. Clayton's instructions of the Ist instant. The sumnieriel process against the prisoners bad not closed at the date of Mr. Campbell's letters. All the proceedings were kept secret, notwithstanding the rumours that have been circulated to the contrary. It wat understood that the trials would be conducted in strict escordance with the rigid process of the Spanish law. The fate of the prieonera was, of course, uncer tain, unless Mr. Clayton's dispatches should be re ceried before the matter was closed ; their tone and ttenour could hardly fail to hate some effect upon the Evanish authorities. "The Spanish Minister has net b e e n seen s i nce t h e arrival of the Isabel, his views, and the tenour of dis patches he may have received, are therefore unknown. The aspect of sifters is still a little threatening. The Administration is disposed and determined to hold the Cuban authorities to the most rigid accountability for any injury they may inflict upon American citizens not guilty of participation in the ievasion. The next dis patches from Mr. Campbell will be looked for with deep ar,xiety." Thus, then, on the authority of the Cabinet, and chtulated by the organs of the Cabinet, we are in formed of almost the positive certainty that a war 'Kith Spain must grow out of the recent compli cated affairs between the United States and the Cuban authorities, that is if we are to be lieve them, and one of those organs goes so far as to say, that the Administration is determined to declare war, without reference to the disposition or ac tion of Congress. In this, however, they go a little too fast ahead. Neither the President nor the Cabi net has any power under the Constitution to declare war, no matter how much soever they may, for their own purposes, be inclined to do so, without the pre vior,s sanction and concurrence of Congress. It is ye' y true that Mr. Polk, in bringing on the war with Illexico, took almost the whole responsibility of that .event on his own shoulders ; but he was aided and assisted by the audacity, folly, and impertinence of the Mexican military authorities on the Rio Grande. The Mexicans made the attack, and General Taylor, the commander of the American troops on the border, was put on the ckfensive, and the two countries were involved in war without any previous declaration sanctioned by Congress. It is doubtful if Spain will give the Galphin Cabinet such a charlee. In the event of a rupture between the Spanish au thorities in Cuba and the United States, growing out of our present difficulties, we cannot perceive, how ever, how war can grow out of it without its first being authorised by Congress, and a debate and dis cussion had upon it in the old and regular way. Per haps, however, Mr. Clayton and the G a lphi n C a bi ne t intend to imitate the policy of Mr. Polk, in bringing on the Mexican war ; and if we are to believe their organs, they have already made up their minds to bring about a collision between Spain and the United States, on their own responsibility, and without the previous sanction or concurrence of Congress, or I without Spain, or the Spanish authorities in Cuba, giving any occasion for it. It may be done, too—but smart as the Cabinet are, in their own estimation, we hardly think they will have an opportunity—but if such an event should be the result of the present complication of affairs, all the technical questions arising under the treaty, or the laws of 1313, will be entirely set aside, and the whole impulse and soul of the nation will be given to carrying on the war, with the same force as was that with Mexico. If the na tions of Europe should be neutral—we mean France and England—and allow the United States and Spain to fight it out, there can be little doubt of the result of the contest. In less than six months all the au thority of Spain in Cuba and Porto Rico would be entirely annulled and set aside. A great deal of dan ger and damage, however, would ensue, in the mean time to the commerce of this country, which is scat tered over every sea and ocean in the world. In the opinion of the Cabinet of Washington this might be compensated by keeping them in power. After all, however, this may be only another of the curious, sudden, and extraordinary movements which charac terized Mr. Clayton during the past year, and on a par with that in connexio❑ with France. We were on the eve of a war with that country for a whole week, in consequence of the quarrel between him and M. Poussin, and this pronounciamento, through the Cabinet organ, may be a repetition of the farce. THE SUN, LONDON, FRIDAY EVENING, JULY l9, 1850. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, "July 18. The LORD CUANCELLOI took his sell; upon the 'Woolsack st Five o'clock. COAL MINES INSPECTION BILL. The Earl of CARLISLE brought up the report on this Bill. AMD-RESS TO THE DUCHESS OF CAMBRIDGE. HER ROYAL HIGHNESS'S ANSWER. The Marquis of NORXIA.NBY said—My Lords, the Earl of Powis and myself have, in obe dience to your Lordships' directions, waited upon her Royal Highness tho Dachess of Cambridge and presented to her Royal Highness the address of condolence on the demise of his late Royal Highness the Duke of Cambridge, t. which your Lordships were pleased to agree. Her Royal Highness has requested us to present to your Lordships the following answer:— " I am deeply sensible of the kindness of the Lords spi ritual and temporal in presenting to me an address on the subject of my late severe bereavement in the loss which I have recently experienced. I request that you will convey to the House of Peers the deep feeling which I entertain for this expression of sympathy on their part. The remembrance of my late dear husband will be ever treasured in my heart, and I shall never forget the just appreciation of his virtues which the Howe of Lords entertains." The answer was ordered to be entered on the journals PAROCHIAL ASSESNIENT BILL. Lord PORTMAN brought up the report on this Bill. The Elrl of MALNIESBURY presented several pe titions against the present system of Parochial Assess• ment. ANSWER , OF HER MAJESTY TO THE AD DRESS OF CONDOLENCE. The Marquis of WESTMINSTEIt reported that the Lords with white staves had waited on her Majesty with the address of condolence to which their Lordships had agreed on the death of his late Royal Highness the Duke of Cambridge. Her Majesty had been graciously pleaed to receive the same, and had returned the fol. lowing gracious answer:— .Ith s tink you for the gratifying proof of your loyalty and affection which your address has afforded me, ex pressive of your participation in my feelings on the death cf my beloved uncle the Duke of Cambridge, and for the attachment whi , :h you hare expressed to my person and my family," The answer was ordered to be entered in the journals. ACCIDENT TO THE STEAM-SHIP VICEROY. The passengers on board this steam-ship have published the following account of the accident. The latest accounts from the steamer mention that she would be got off the next tide. She was bilged under the engines, a flat rock having been driven through her : " We, the undersigned, passengers by the unfortunate steamer Viceroy, run ashore on the rocks , off Outer Island (one of the Mutton Islands, near Shag Harbour, Nova Scotia), whilst on her way from New York to Galway, having after considerable trouble and delay met together in this city, are anxious that our friends and the public should be made acquainted with the true state of the case, as it appears to ourselves up to this date. " We left New York on Saturday, June 22, at 1 P. X., a strong breeze at the time blowing from the eastward. Soon after losing sight of land we met with a dense fog, which continued through Sunday and Mon day, preventinc , the captain taking any observation dur ing those two days, and not clearing up till about half an hour after our accident, which took place at half past 7 P.M., on the 24th ult. About 9 o'clock the same morning the captain spoke a fisherman, and, from the information given by him, the steamer's course was altered about one-and- a-helf point to the northward. " After the accident. the captain and all hands, by lightening the vessel forward, &c., did everything in their power to get her off, which, at the time, we had good hopes of doing, until the tide began to leave us, when we found that she was settling down on the rocks, and making water fast in the engine-room, which putting out the fires, the engine was compelled to stop. We then noticed the stewards and waiters began packing up the valuables of the steamer. This caused some alarm among the passengers. Several thought there was risk in landing, as there appeared quite a surf running on the beach, and we did not know what kind of a place we were upon. However, soon after a boat came in sight and hailed us, asking if we wanted any assistance; the captain being called, aft ar some delay and hesitation answered that we did not; but the passengers saying yes,the captain agreed to their suggestion. The boat that came to our assistance belonged to her Majesty's steamer Columbia (Captain Shortland), lying at anchor some nine miles off. Owing to the low state of the tide, nothing; was done till next morning, when Captain Short land returned with the steamer, he not having been aware, when on board the Viceroy the previous evening, that she was making water fast. " On his arrival, early in the morning, the water was within five feet of the upper deck. Immediately after several small schooners came alongside to take off the anchors, chains, and moveable articles. Tee pas sengers anxiously asked the captain what was to be done with them, but were referred to the agent of the com pany (Mr. Taylor), from whom, at about eight o'clock, we finally obtained two of the ship's boats to carry us to Barrington, a distance of tea miles, Mr. Taylor infouceing us he had no means of forwarding us towards our ports of destination. We gladly accepted the boate, and started without any pilot, Tor Barrington, where we arrived in the afternoon of the 251 b, having been well scorched by the sun, and gene many miles out of our way. " At Barrington we met with kind and hospitable people, particularly the family of the Robertsons, who treated us kindly, and, having considerable influence with the inhabitants, afforded us every facility and in formation for the prosecution of our journey to Halifax, by land or watet,..as we best could, some not liking to trust themselves in the fiihing-hosts. Ea hof us could relate many acts of kindness and liberality experienced from the inhabitants of Barrington, which place we find to be 170 miles from Halifax. " We have no complaint to make against the officers of the steamer Viceroy, and would remark that the cap tain showed every disposition to oblige, but seemed to suffer much from anxiety through the fog, and the delay in the steamer not starting from New York tiil an hour alter the appointed time, and we heartily sympathise with him under his misf ,r:unes." EXHIBITION OF INDUSTRY OF ALL NATIONS. TO THE EDITOR. OF THE MINING JOURNAL.• Respected Friend,—As the subject of the site for the building intended for the Great Exhibition of Arts, &c., next year, has excited much attention, permit me to offer a few observations I feel in clined to make thereon. I hold that it would b e very important to have the intended build ing as near to the river as possible, both for the convenience of erection and removal, but more particularly for the eastern and southern inhabi tants of the metropolis. Now, there is in the neigh bourhood of Vauxhall-bridge a spot of ground, and other premises, which appears to me exceedingly well situated to obtain these desirable objects ; mean St. Vincent's-square, and premises between it and Vauxhall-road. The square contains within its railing about 500,000 superficial feet, being about 700 feet each way ; and the pre mises between it and the road 126,000 feet, being about 700 feet by 180 feet. Now, what I would humbly suggest would be to purchase the latter premises, which is by no means valuable, or, at least, expensive property, which probably 15,0001. or 20,0001. would purchase, on which to construct a permanent building, 700 feet long and 180 feet wide, divided into four compartments, 700 feet long and 45 feet wide— making a gallery, or show-room, on the ground floor 2,800 ft. long ; and a similar floor above, so that the floors would contain an area of about 250,000 superficial feet. Over the centre of the said building I propose to construct a conservatory (say) 400 ft. long, 180 ft. wide, equal to about 72,000 ft.—making altogether upwards of 320,000 ft. This building, after the exhibition is over, may be converted into a national gallery, the ground 'floor appropriated to sculpture and models; whilst the room over may be devoted to paintings,constituting a picture gallery more than double the area of the celebrated gal lery of the Louvre at Paris. As the erection over the square would be of a termporary nature, I should pro pose it be constructed by means of rows of timber piles, driven 100 ft. apart, and about 12 ft. from each other, so as to support a wrought-iron roof (in spans of 100 ft.), at 25 ft. from the ground. Round these seven rows of piles I would construct a gallery 20 ft. wide, 12 ft. 6 in. from the ground, which, by winding round each row in one continuous connection, would extend to upwards of two miles in length, and con tain an area of upwards of 200,000 ft. Thus the square, by this arrangement, and the proposed premises, would furnish an area of upwards of 1,000,000 ft. This considerably exceeds, as I understand, the requirements originally in tended in the park, consequently obviating the appre hension of' there not being sufficient space. Besides this, there is considerable yard room on the river side of the square, which might be obtained, probably to the extent of 200,00 0 f t the inventions which more, .if required, oa . which building, which I think would have t. relation to steam . might be deposited, so as to be distinct building being principally ct ld from the main exhibition b . e . very desirable. The balk timber and wrought-iron, the sacrifice temporary trifling all composed occasioned re princi b b y ric r i e c m an o d va c l i w st o - u ir l o d n in s d tr e a eadtubeacompared with a neither l of the former more than the latter would be, I imagine, diminished in value more 20 to 25 per cent. ; whilst I t a h' ue l e would be from 50 to 75 per cent., which im portant consideration on a structure cos i tin palace to 100,0001 to 200,0001. The circumstance of the fromn street, now in progress from . Buckingham Westminster Abbey, running close by the square is, I deem, greatly in favour of the proposed site, besides tending gre atly to improve all the property betw een that and the Houses of Parliament and Buckingham Pa lace, &c. The elevation towards the Vauxhall road I should prop ose to be similar to the design I submitted for a gallery over the Waterloo- brute, winch I imagine would be equal for appeale . ince to any building in the metropolis!, not excepting the THOMAS MOTI.E.Y. fft ates of Parliament. Citangate, Leinhatb, 7 mo. Sth. of I er- P.S. If the following ohjects are deemed desira)ble, viz , great econo m y , p roximit y to the Douses liamt lit, Buckingham Pa lace, and the City, with the convenience of water conveyance, and good roads of comm unication, and tendency to promote improve ments, then I think the site pr o p osed is pre-eminently de servinl ; the serious considerat ion of the Commissioners and the public, especially as, with due arrangements, ample space may be obtained ; and thus, instead of injurio g and incommoding the park, tend most mate rially t o improve a portion of the metropolis which has hit herto been much neglected; I , therefore, t hink the :iite superior to any obtainable spot either in or row la the metropolis. EXTRACT FROM UNPUBLISHED STA TISTICS OF THE COURT OF CHANCERY. (From the Manx Liberal of July 6.) CHANCERY RILLS OF COSTS. LENGTH OF BILLS OF COST3.—The number of bills of costs taxed in two year., for which accounts have been procured, was 11,357, giving an average of 5,678 for each or these years. We have not, at present, the means of ascertaining the aggregate cash amount of these bills ; but there is ground for estimating the number of words at up wards of 36,796,680. Each hill has, on an average, to be written five, if not six times over : thus (at the former estimate only) making a total of upwards of 183,983,400 words, the writing of which the suitors had to pay for in so short a space of time. That the reader may have something to compare with this no better then fraudulent accumulation of writing, it may be mentioned that the whole Bible (both the Old and the New Testaments) contains but 773,692 words, or less than a 237th part of the other number.* Thus, the words of the laws, the history, the maxims, and the principles which record the events, customs, and manners, or have reared and snpported the systems which have directed the actions and controlled the belief, worship, and fate of nations fur thousands of years, aro but as a trifle when compared with these histories (for such are bills of costs), for so short a period, of the diffe rent steps taken in carrying on one of the vastest impostures and grievances that ever any nation was subject to ! Tne above calculations do not include untaxed costs mentioned below. Proceeding from generalities, it is thought right to instance a case. In one administration suitt of the simplest kind (the testator's debts having been but 9/. 2s. 10d., there having been no difficult questions of any kind to decide, and all the assets having been within the knowledge and control of the executors), the taxed part only of the costs were 752 folios of 90 words each in length, which having to be written five times over, made 338,400 words, being altogether, witb the addition of the untaxed part of the costs, up wards of twice as long as the New Testament. In the case referred to the parties have not been benefited, but their affairs are now further from due administra tion than when the suit began. Justice and Christianity may be considered to be on one side, and Chancery practice, the practice of iniquity, on the other. The benefit of the suitor is the pretence, but the profit of the Court and its officers is the result. A striking similarity may be perceived between this and the doings of the Indian Thugs. One system is con sidered to be not only a disgrace to a country, but to a climate ; what ought the other, that of " the En glish fortune Mugger," to be deemed ? ANNUAL AMOUNT or COSTS.—Although we have not materials for estimating the costs for the years above referred to, it is found that the amount of the fees received in the offices of the taxing masters for the year ending 24th November, 1849 (only one year recollect), amounted to 31,730!. 41. 93. The charge made by the taxing-master for taxation is three per cent. on the amount of the bills. After making certain deductions from the above amount of fees for sums not included in the per-cent age, and estimating the vast amount of extra and other untaxed costs, it is found that the total amount of costs taken from the suitors must greatly exceed 1,000,000!. annually, an amount bearing a large pro portion to the whole anneal rental of the land of Eng land at the present prices, and even to the annual re venue of the empire. It is needless to say that a very large amount of these coats has not even the pretence of being incurred in any way for the suitors' benefit —one part is for making out the solicitors' bills of costs. In some cases that, with the costs of taxation, exceeds twenty-five per cent. on the other costs. It is known that in one suit+ upwards of 20,0001. were taken from the parties (one family) for costs, and it is believed on good grounds that their whole loss on that account exceeds 40,000/., and the suit is not yet ended. COSTS NOT TAXED.—Vast amounts of costs are not taxed. It will be recollected that a solicitor, a few years ago, most lamentably desecrated our metropo litan cathedral by using it as a means of suicide, and thus of escape from the meshes of the court in which he had involved others, and ultimately became entangled himself. That solicitor had been accumulating costs in a suite for many years, and he expressed his hope that the parties to it would be induced to let him take the full amount as made out by himself for several oppressive considerations, one of which was that the per-centage on taxation would alone have amounted to between two and three hundred pounds. Such was his hope, but even he was overwhelmed by the practice of the Court, and unable to obtain his desire, his darling costs, be rushed from the tribunal which the nation dreads and groans under to an end he thought befitted his career—a meet sacrifice to the Court he had served, and to the Moloch he had worshipped, although offered on a most unbefitting altar. It is usual to cast all the blame upon solicitors, but the above instance and many others show that however often solicitors may err, yet that the great source of wrong is in the Court. For the considera tion mentioned and other causes, many bills are never taxed, and in most cases there are what are called "extra costs," which generally escape taxation. Tne public have been led to believe that the evils of the Court will be much mitigated by recent changes. Such is not the case.. Some of the recent orders render the law worse than it was before. • If a family Bible were printed in a continuous line, it would be about five miles and 116 yards in length. It these hills of costs were printed in the same way, the length would be about 1,200 miles ! The length the pen would have to go over would be much more. t Gawen v. Gawen. Hughes v. Wynne: II Bade v. Blake. THE COUNTRY MARKETS. BIRMINGHAM, JULY 18. —At Gloucester and Worcester markets on the I3th the wheat trade ruled dull, at an advance of about Is per quarter. Barley the turn dearer Beans more sought after. Peas fully Is per quarter higher. During the present week we have had a continuance of hot, forcing wea ther, which has caused transactions in wheat to be on a most limited scale, but we do not hear of any reduction having been submitted to. Barley firmly maintains its value. Few oats have changed hands. Beans unaltered. Peas, in consequence of the unfavourable reports of the growing crops, are held for an advance. At this day's market there was again a short sup ply of wheat from the farmers, yet sales could only be made by submitting to a decline of fully Is per quarter. Barley un altered. Beans less in request. Few peas offering. Oats sold slowly, at former prices. BOSTON, JULY 17.—Wheat, red 36s to 42s Od, white 41s to 435, extra 43s to 45s ; barley 00s to 00s ; oats 125 to 195; beans 2"s to 28s; peas Os to Os per quarter. ALFORD.—Averages for the week ending July 15—Wheat 40s 64d ; barley Os ; oats 14s 34d ; beans 25s 40 per qr. LYNN, JULY I6.—Wheat 36s to 403, fine 425 to 435; barley Os to Os, fine Os to Os per qr. UrrINGHAII, JULY 17.—Wheat 40s to 4450 d; barley 221 to 24s ; oats lls to 21s ; beans 26s to 28s per quarter. Butter 80 to 90 _per lh ; eggs 20 for Is. DERBY SMITHFIELD MARKET JULY 16.—The supply of fat beasts to-day was not large, and the quality of those from our own grazing districts was but inferior, while those from the north of England and Ireland were excellent in quality, and very far superior to our own fed animals; the demand was considerably less than was expected, considering the number of buyers present from our own and neighbouring counties. The sheep pens were better filled, and the demand for lambs and sheep, not too fat, was some little improved since our last. There were but few calves shown, which were readily disposed of at high prices. The number of fat pi g s was not large, and they were readily disposed of. Beef, 40 to sd; mutton, 40 to 5d ; lamb, 6d ; veal, 40 per lb ; pigs, 6s 6(1 to 7s per score. Rough fat, 3s 3d per stone of 141bs. Hides, 1d to 1d per lb ; calf skins 3d to 40 per lb. GLASGOW, JULY 17.—The direct imports during the week were not of magnitude, but fair supplies have reached Grange mouth from abroad for this market, consisting of about 4,573 quarters of wheat, 2,340 quarters of barley, 7,582 quarters of oats, 21 quarters of peas. and 60 quarters of rye. The wea ther having again turr.ed fine and forcing, business was con ducted with less animation. This day's market was moderately well attended, and with mere retail transactions, the price of any article has to be written nominally unaltered. EDINBURGH GRAIN MARKET, JULY 17.—Wheat—There were 829 qrs of wheat in the market to-day, being 23 qrs more than last week. Prices were 6d up on the top, and Id up on the average-81 qrs unsold. Barley—There were in to day's market 114 qrs barley, being', 80 qrs less than last week. The top price was 6d down, and the average Is 6d down-59 qrs unsold. Oats—The quantity of oats in the market was 3'l qrs., being 217 qrs less than last week. The top price was the sarae, and the, average 5d up-16 qrs unsold. Beans—The supply of beans was 48 qrs, being 18 qrs lees than last week. Prices were the same on the top, and . 10d up on the average. 5 qrs unsold. Top of Wheat ... 6411 b. 45s 6d „ Barley •.. 571 b. 25s Od „ Oats ... •.. 44ilb. 23s 8d ~ Beans 6731 b. 31s Od EDINBURGH CATTLE MARKET, JULY 17.—The number of cattle was 393, or 142 less than last week. Top price, 6s 6d; current, 6s to Cs ; secondary and inferior sorts, 4s Ed to 5s 6d per Dutch stone. At the close a clearance was not effected. The number of sheep and lambs this morning was 5,141, or 263 more than last week. Top price of best blackfaced wether mutton, sid to Od per lb ; hoggs, from 4d to 4d. Lambs, top, 18s 6d ; current, 12s to 13s ; middling and inferior kinds, from 6s to 10s. DUNBXR, JULY la—Wheat, weighing 6llbs, brought 42s Od, and prices to 381. Barley, weighing 5411b5, brought 421bs, brought seconds, 12 s, a ()d to 12 .-- ; tid Fl r r ho — use Fi per cwt. Oatmeal lOs to 10 6d; Ps Od, and prices to 18s 6d. Beans and peas, weighing brought:alb6::a pricesnd o as t O ° d7a s n and prices d Oats,to O s weighing 0 d . Coax, JULY 17 h r o s l t d I s 2 li s 5 6 t d o 016,13;3 t o t s e xtra h ; 7ir.;dosd, ;7ws ht l oe 4 a s Bt -s ; 00s ; dealers 45s to 50 , Od; av erage meal. 10s to 103 iay—Farmers 33s to 00s; average perlndian rascal 64 32. od ; average2; 46; p er ton. Stsaw—Farmers cwt. Indira Indira corn 004 to 00s per ton average Oas Od per ton. Bread—A Bran 4/010d to 4/2s Gi Od to eersisreenZisObsooaid (id d o ( t. 10s 6 ; 1 .) , i1 ; ; Eggs - 4s 43 to 4s 6d 63 per lb. household loaf 5d to 50 per 41b. per liii4u h sn; b do t z t d e e. r a , t Coi 7 Na d lesa— t t o b Newport 14s; Lydney 15s ; Smiths' Cohn 131 per ton. Tallow 38a 6d to Whisky, 25 o. p.. 5a 6d per imperial gallon, per l‘ e le w‘. —Beef 4d to 4 d; mutton 5d to 60; to t 5.1 ; pork 3id to Od ; bacon 6d to 7d ; sausages 5d .r lb. Hops 1 0 / Os to 0 / Os pe r cwt. Bangor slates 3 / •_s 6d to 3/ p ss e pe r ton. Bark—Barb ar y 71 5s to 8/ss ; Valonia 15 / to 01 ; Fren ch 61; Spanish 91to 10/ per ton. Fleece Wool 10s to 12s per stone. Hemp 331t0 00/ per ton. Fish— Scotch herrings 13s to 14. ; red ditto 15s to 20s per barrel p er ewuda 0 , Os to yellow ton. Timber— Memel , 8 to ; red pine, 31 101 • ditto, 2/ 153 per ton; deals, 13/ to 181 per 100. ' Hides— Market I4s to 20s; salted 15s to 21s per cwt ; calf skins dto oLd per lb. Potato es, wh ite 103 to 12 d ; Minions Od to Od ; Guano— Peruin, 11l 10s; Ichaboe, 91 per ton ; Tar—Archangel, 19s per barrel. PETITIONS. The Duke of RICHMOND presented several peti tions against the Bill authorising marriage with a de ceased wife's sister. _ . Lord BROUGHAM presented several petition 3 to the same effect ; also for the stopping of all sorts of travel ling by railroad, by hired carriage or by private car riage, on Sunday, except for the conveyance of the infirm to church. He thought this was a remarkable instance of Sabbatarian zeal. RETRENCHMENT. The NOBLE and LEARNED LORD then postponed the motion for returns relating to retrenchment until Tues day. He asked whether, when Mr. Charles Hill was appointed to Sir Thomaa Marrable's place, his place was filled up ? The Marquis of WESTMINSTER said that Mr. Charles Hill's place had been filled up by Mr. Thomas Hill, and his place had been filled up by a junior clerk. Lord BROUGHAM understood that no deduction in the amount of the whole salaries bad taken place in consequence of these appointments. ELECTIONS (IRELAND) BILL. The Earl of CARLISLE moved the third reading of this Bill, and proposed several additional clauses, which he hoped would obviate the objections of the Noble Marquis (Wvstmelth) opposite. After a few words from the Earl Of MOUNTCASHELL and the Marquis of WESTMEATH, the additional clauses were agreed to, and the Bill was 'lad a third time, and passed. IRISH FRANCHISE BILL. Lord STANLEY asked how it happened that this Bill, with the amtmdmonte, which was read a third time on Friday, had not been sent down to the Commons until yesterday. The Earl of CARLISLE said the amendments were too voluminous to admit of its being sent down on Friday. On Monday there was no Master in Chancery in attendance, and on Tuesday the Commons had ad journed in the morning. COUNTY COURTS EXTENSION BILL. Their Lordships then resolved themselves into Corn mi!tee on this Bill. Lord REDESDALE proposed the insertion of a prc. viso, the object of which was understood to be to afford greater security to clerks of county courts against arbitrary removal. After some conversation across the table, which was quite inaudible in the gallery, strangers were ordered to withdraw, but no division took plat,, Lord Redesdale having consented to postpone his proviso for further con sideration. The 13i11 then passed through Committee, and the House resumed. TUE ALIEN ACT. Lord STANLEY inquired, whether Government in tended to renew the Alien Act, which gave power to the Government to apprehend foreigners in this country under certain circumstances, and remove them from the country. That Act expired at the end of the present session, and looking to the great influx of foreigners ex pected next year, he wished to know whether Govern ment intended to apply to Parliament for a renewal of the powers given them under the present Act, which he was bound to add had never bean abused, inasmuch as they had never been used. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE would give an answer to- morrow. The House then adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS, July 18. MERCANTILE MARINE (N). 2) BILL. (Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.) Mr. MA.CGRE9OII. did not think the House could interfere to prevent the British seaman from leaving his ship under circumstances of oppression, nor was he of opinion that the Royal Navy should be permitted to receive seamen deserting the mercantile marine without some li mitation. He knew the difficulty to get men to serve in the navy was a much greater evil than desertion from the merchant servic.% After a few words from Mr. BROWN and Mr. FORSTER, The gallery was cleared for a division, when there appeared — For Mr. Anderson's amendment ....... 33 Against it Majority against the amendment The clause was then agreed to. Clause 66 was agreed to without a division. Clause 67 was agreed to, with a slight verbal amend ment proposed by Mr. A. HasTIE, and agreed to by Mr. LABOUCHERE, and also with an understanding that the severity of the penalties should be modified. Clause 68 was also agreed to. On clause 69, Colonel THOMPSON said that this clause was an exe mplification of the great deficiency of the present Bill—an equal regard for both the classes for whom it legislated. He thought it would be beneficial for the popularity Lf th e B i ll if t h e re were some demonstration on the face of it of more interest for . the sailor. They had seen many cases in which sailors had been cruelly ill-treated on board ship, and had had very little facility for redress themselves. He thought some amendment might be introduced into the present clause which would have that effect. Mr. LABOUCHERE said that he had never at tempted to disguise it from the House that it was his intention by this Bill to int ro d uce a stringent system o f discipline into the merch ant service; but he d i d Hot ;s then agree d to. think that there was any n ee d for an amendment in th i s present clause, which wou l d scarcely meet the Gallant TTT Colonelshhheee CHAIRMAN clause Ho o uA b si j en ec m w thent resumed, and AN report e d progress, and obtained leave to sit again to - morrow, at twelve o'clock. Sir Jourr ROMILLY was then introduced and took the oaths and his seat for the borough of Devonport. The House then adjourned until Five. The House resumed at Five o'clock. DEATH OF THE DUKE OF CAMBRIDGE. Lord MARCUS HILL appeared at t h e b ar of t h e [louse, and stated that, in obedience to th e order of the House, olise he had presented the address of condolence on this subject to her Majesty , to which her M a j es ty h a d been graciously pleased to re t urn the following answer: — ..I h av e received with satisfaction, and as a gratify ing proof of your attachment to my person and family, the loyal and dutiful address of condolence which you have presented to me on the loss I have sustained by the death of my beloved unclothe Duke of C am b r id ge. - ___ ____ MONUSIENT TO THE LATE SIR R. PEEL. Lard MARCUS HILL also stated that ho had had the honour of presenting the address on the subject of a monument to the late Sir Robert Pod, and her Ma jesty had been graciously pleased to return the follow ing answer:— " I have received your address, praying that I will give directions that a monument be erected in the Col legiate Church of St. Peter, Westminster, to the memory of the Right Hon. Sir Robert Peel, with an inscription expressive of the public sense of so great and irrepar able a loss, and assuring me that you will make good the expenses attending the same: and I shall give direr• tions in accordance with your address." THE DUCHESS OF CAMBRIDGE. Lord SEYMOUR appeared at the bar of the House, and stated that ho had caused the address of condo lence to be forwarded t o the Duchess of Cambrid g e, to which she had been p leaded to return the follow ing reply : . I pat g rateful to the Honourabl e House of Commons for pretenting t o me an address of condolence on the death of my late lamented husband, and I beg you to convey to that Hon. House my heartfelt thanks for this honourable mark of respect, and to assure the Hon. House that nothing can be more consolatory to me at this moment than the knowledge t hat J he character of my lat e hus band is duly appreciate]. _. CHIPPIND ALL,s DIVORCE BILL. Sir DE LACY EVANS move'l . the consideration of the petition of William Chippindall (presented 27th June), for perrn6sion to p . rost.cnte Chippin dall'a Divorce Bill in fonnl pauperts. The Honour able and Gallant Gentleman adverted to the injus tice of cumpellinir parties whose means were limited to ttee on pay certain pay the e normous fees of t he House on Divorce Bills, and m ove d that t h e prayer of the petition should be acceded t o b y t h e H o use. Mr. W. PATTEN moved as an amendment that the petition . of Willi am Chippindall be referr ed to the Com- Ipi ll9use would recollect t h a t up to the present mo ment Divorce Bills and th e Jud g e Advocate. The D ivorce Bills h a d been treated 'str ictl y as p rivate Bills, all(i that it was t h e ru l e of the House to make parties fees when they su ed for an y p rivileges or rights of a pri va t e natu re. If that rule was de viated from the result would be that the House would be involved in great difficulties in regard to these Bills, Having paid attention to the subject for a great number of years he was perfectly convinced that the time had come when Parliament must take into its consideration the law of divorce, with the view to alter the modo in which Bill's were now promoted in the House. He proposed as an amendment that this petition be re ferred to the Committee on Divorce Bills, for them to consider, first, whether Mr. Chippindall was in the state in which he described himself to be, and, secondly, what course they should adopt with respect to that petition. Sir GEORGE - GREY hoped his Hon. and Gallant Friend (Sir De Lacy Evans) would at ones consent to that course, for he (Sir G. Grey) thought there ought to be some inquiry as to the facts of the case. Sir F. THESIGER thought his Hon. Friend (Mr. W. Patten) had improperly treated this as a mere pri vate Bill, in which the party might be called on to pay the costs of the proceeding. He (Sir F. Tbesiger) thought if this House would not adopt the prayer of the petition, and so enable the petitioner to get rid of a wi!'e who had violated her marriage vows, the consequence would be that there would be an uneven and part•al distribution of justieP. Sir DE LACY EVANS consented to withdraw his motion, and to adopt the suggestion of the Hon. Member (Mr. W. Patten). WATERFORD, WEXFORD, WICKLOW, AND DUBLIN RAILWAY. Sir W. VERNER postponed his motion regarding the payers and petitions in this ease until Wednesday next. PETITIONS. Mr. HALE presented a petition from Gloucester aglinst the Jewi Bill. IRISH ADVANCES. Mr. E. B. ROCIIE presented a petition from a board of guardians at Cork, complaining that the Lordi of the Treasury had refused to allow the Poor-law Board to refund to them the sum of 2,6051., collected under the Rate in Aid.—(Order, order.) The SPEAKER said that as far es he could gather the purport of the petition it was incompetent for the Hon. Member to present it. Mr. E. B. ROCHE submitted that the affair was one of local taxation. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER sug gested that the Hon. Member should post puuu present ing his petition until the Lords of the Treasury could examine it, to which Mr E. B. ROCHE consented, and the matter dropped. JEWS BILL. Numerous petitions were presented against this Bill— by Major Berosford (IS) from places hi. Essex ; by Mr. Safford from a place in Northamptonshire; a great number by Sir It. H. Inglis, and by Mr. Gladstone. Sir JOHN TROLLOPE presented a petition from Lincoln in favour of protection to native industry. SUNDAY LABOUR IN THE POST-OFFICE. Mr. CLAY presented a petition from the Chamber of Commerce of Hull, praying for a return to Sunday Post-office delivery. The petitioners were of opinion that if Government would not undertake the delivery of letters on Sundays they ought to empower the railway companies to do so. REPEAL OF THE UNION. Mr. F. O'CONNOI gave notice that this day firt night he should move that the Legislative Union between Great Britain and Ireland be repealed.—(Laughter.) INDIAN ACCOUNTS. Sir HENRY WILLOUGHBY wished to ask the President of the Board of Control, why the provisions of the Act 3 and 4 Will. IV., c. 85, s. 116, requiring the production of the annual returns of the East Indian finances within the first fourteen sitting days of Parlia ment after May the first in each year, are had not been complied with. Sir J. C. HOBHOUSE admitted that the Act .of Parliament had not been strictly complied with. The Indian accounts consisted of two parts, the home ac counts and the Indian accounts. The home accounts were not made up till the 30th of April in each year, and as they had then to be audited and passed, not only by the Court of Directory, but by the Board of Control it was almost impossible to present them within the time specified by the Act. There was nothing, however, which should prevent the Indian accounts from being presented in the time except the desire to have the two presented together, and in future he would take care that they were prescntel at the earliest possible period. Lord JOCELYN said in 1845 a dispatch was sent out to India calling upon the Indian Government to explain why they forwarded their accounts so late every year, notwithstanding the means of communication with India had been so much increased of late years. He wished to know if the Right Honourable Baronet had any t,bjection t 3 produce this dispatch, together with the answer that bad been received. Sir J. C. HOBIIOUSE said he had nono whatever. Mr. HUME said last year he moved for certain re turns connected with light-houses in India, which were not yet forthcoming. Was there any chaace of the re turn being produced betore the prorogation ? Sir J. C. HOBROUSE said a dispatch had been received from India on the subject, but it was difficult to make out the return from it. Another Honourable Member some time ago moved for some returns connected with public buildings in India, and for seven months past a gentleman had been engaged at the India House preparing it. He saw this gentleman yesterday, who stated that it would take him till Easter next to prepare even a half of it. PROVISION FOR THE FAMILY OF THE DUKE OF CAMBRIDGE. Lord JOHN RUSSELL brought up a message from her Majesty, which was t) the following effeot:—Her Majesty being desirous, in consequence of the death of her royal uncle the Duke of Cambridge, that some provision should be made for her Royal Highness the Princess Mary of Cambridge and the present Duke of Cambridge, recommends the subject to the consider ation of the House and relies on the attachment cf the House to adopt such measures as might be sultible for the occasion. The Members remained uncovered while the message wai being delivere'. Lord JOHN RUSSELL then rose and said—lt is her Majesty's most gracious desire that the subject be taken into consideration by the House to-morrow. The subject was then fix , .?ti as an order of the day for to-morrow. ENGLISH AND IRISH UNIVERSITIES. The adjourned debate on English and Irish Universi ties was then resumed by Mr. R. PALMER, who called the attention of the House to what had transpired on the last occa sion. The Noble Lord (Lord John Rus sell) had stated, to the surprise of the House that it was his intention, without reference to any vote which might be come to by the House, to advise her Majesty to issue a Commission, to in quire, not into all the universities mentioned in the present motion, but into the universities of Ox ford and Cambridge. They had to deal with two distinct classes of corporations—the universities which were corporations of a public nature, nod colleges which were regarded as corporations of an entirely charitable nature. With respect to the universities. they were cor porations of an unique character, and returned members to Parliament. In every point of view, the functions which they exercised were of a public character, and he apprehended that they ought to be dealt with according to the rules which governed and applied to public or municipal corporations. There were two classes of cor porations—the civil and ecclesiastical. The universities were lay corporations, and if that were so, it was set tled in point of law, that the Crown had no power to alter their charters, any more than it bad to alter the charters of municipal corporations, which could only be altered by the authority of Parliament. The colleges were charitable corporations and the; Crown had no power whatever to institute changes in them, un less Parliament should think right to sanction the pro posed changes. The Hon. and Learned Member here went into details of certain Acts of Parliament, passed in reference to the universities and colleges in the reigns of Henry the Eighth, Elizabeth, and Mary, and their bearing on those institutions; but in the case of the University of Oxford, any change attempted to be made fell a dead letter, and the changes which took place were made by the parties themselves connected with the colleges composing the university. It was, after those periods to which he referred, determined that tho universities and colleges were strictly lay institutions, and that nothing could by possibility confer on the Crown any power to meddle with those universities and colleges. That was in the time of Charles the Second. After that James the Second attempted to exercise a power in relation to the universities, but the attempt had been gallantly and manfully 'resisted, and every bisorical authority down to Macaulay had recorded it. —(Hear.) It was quite clear that whatever they de served to have done with respect to the universities, they must now come to this House; and the question was, would it be wise in Parliament to abandon its functions, and give its assent to act in the manner just as the Noble Lord proposed. Ho thought it was the duty of the Noble Lord, and those who with him proposed the opposite course, to come forward and state explicitly what they meant to pro pose, in order th a t Parliament should have the op portunity of digesting it, and of considering the course which it ought to take. If the course proposed by Go vernment should be persevered in, there would be very great reluctance, and much ccnscientious scruples on the part of those w h o f e l t a d e ep interest in the universities, to give vol un t ar y i n f orma tion. Why should this Com mission issue at all?—(Hear, hear.) Where was the necessity for it?—(Hear.) The Noble Lord had said there had b een in q uiries into other corporations of not less import ance th a n those of the universities, but he (Mr. Roundel' Palmer) maintained that even in these cases to which the Noble Lord had referred, the cases of municipal corporations, it would have been more re gular if those inquiries had taken place under the au thority of Parliament; and with respect to the Noble Lord's own statement en this subject, he thought it so exceedingly unsatisfactory that he really could not see on what ground the Noble Lord could show that the pro posed inquiry was necessary. He believed that most impure ant improvements might be effected in their universities, but he wished to see these im provements effected by the parties connected with the universities, and he felt satisfied that they would be really f ir better eff. , ctei in that way than by the course proposed by the Noble Lord.—(Hear, hear.) If new halls were opened in the universities, nothing could be easier than to introduce a new sys!etn, and diminish the expense of each class of students. Did the Noble Lord propose to do that by the contemplated Com tn i s i Jn ? It apps tired to him that he intended no such arrangement. It was not demanded by public opinion. H e was sur prised to hear that the Noble Lord, in his proposal of the Commission, was influenced by a desire to co-operate in the arrangements of education g i ven at the univer sities by the local authorities, The Noble Lord evidently had been misinformed as to the actual ar rangements of the colleg es respect i ng educat i on , an d the bearing of the stat u t es on t h e su bj ect o f s t u dy. Nothing could be more large or liberal than those sta tutes. Was Parliament then to be asked to dictate the number of lectures for the students, and the mode in which they were to be delivered ? Under the Bye tern adopted at Oxford, some of the sliest men of the day had been produced, including many of the Noble Lord's most distinguished colleagues. No change or in novation was required, and no disturbance of the exist ing foundations of the universities would tend to any good. What they really wanted was, not a commission, but a better means of giving scope to the intentions and spirit of the founders. A just interpretation cf the statutes would always he found to recognise the► utmost liberality of sentiment on the part of the founders. In dealing with this question, they should not forget what the colleges had done and what the Crown had not done. They had spontaneously adopted a liberal interpretation of the de,ires of their founders, and opened their doors to merit as widely as they consistently could. The Crown, on the other hand, had allowed the power of visitation, which it possessed, to fall, comparatively speak ing, into abeyance. It simply acted as a judge of appeal in cases brought forward by persons who considered themselves aggrieved. If the Noble Lord adopted means for compelling the visitors to do their duty, then, in ' deed, the Government might congratulate itself on the wise and judicious course of exercising the powers with which the law now invested it. The inlet ference of the Crown with Trinity College, Dublin, in allowing the teliosss to marry, alleging their large revenue, showed the danger of upsetting the dicta of old-established sta tuti's. While he admitted that room still existed for improvement in the management of our universities, ho , contended that such improveinent could be obtained by the existing power's of the law, and would probably be brought about through the desire and tendency to im prove which existed in our universities; but if anything further were necessary, the legal powers of visitation would be found sufficient to enforce it. Sir G. GREY thought the inconvenience which gene- rally arose from an adjourned debate of nearly three months' stundiug had been considerably counterbalanced by the moderate and temperate tone adopted by the Honourable and Learned Gentleman who resumed the discussion. The Honourable and Learned Gentleman had referred to the illegality of issuing such a Commis sion as that proposed, aad also to the inexpediency of adopting such a course. As far as the legality of snch a Commission was concerned, he had only to refer the House to the frequent instances in which Commis sions of a similar import had been issued by the Crown. He would also ask the House to bear in mind that the Commission was not to have compulsory powers, as if such were conferred upon it, no doubt it would be illegal. —(Hear, hear.) It was simply proposed to limit it to inquiry, without giving the power of compelling wit nesses to make say statements before it, which they might feel .disinclined to do. Some years ago a coca ,' mission was appointed to inquire into the necessity for a i r corporation retorm, Rhich had to deal with vested in terests the same as the ono now proposed would have to deal with, and during the debate on the appointment of: which, in the other House of Parliament, Lord Brougham the❑ declared it as his opinion, that the issuing of such a Commission by the Crown was per fectly legal, such being justified by precedent as well as by the constitutional law of the realm. Several other Commissions had also been appointed of a similar tendency. In 1824. a Commission was appointed to inquire into the state of the educe dor al establishments to Ireland, and although that in quiry was limited to those establishments which received Government grants, yet the principle on which it was ap pointed was similar to that on which it was sought to establish the present Commission. It was unnecessary, too, that he should refer to the Commission which was appointed to inquire int) the Scotch universities, first into all of them, and afterwards into some particular ones. Those Commissions obtained much information in the course of their inquiries, and which had been of great importance in placing them on a better footing. In 1830, under the Government of the Duke of Welling ton, another Commission was appointed to inquire into the revenues derivable from the Irish benefices. Another was appointed in 1832, as respected Eng land and Ireland, to inquire into the revenues of the episcopal sees and the ecclesiastical benefices in those countries; and another in 1835 to make inquiry into the revenues of the Established Church in England and Wales. In all these cases he believed that some difficulty, as to parties not being com• pelled to give evidence before these Commissions unless they should deem it proper to do so, was to be met and overcome; but still the information those Commissions obtained was most important, and when once issued, those Commissions found but little difficulty in eliciting the information they required. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman had admitted that the Crown had a right to issue a Commission of inquiry into a lay corporation, ex isting under a charter from the Crown, and the Com• mission now claimed having no powers to alter the con s:itution of the bodies, their inquiry was to be directed to, or to curtail them of the powers they now en joyed, the general rule of law would not by conceding such Commission be at all interfered with. Mr. R. PALMER said, as a general rule of law, he did not diipute that the Crown had the power to issue inquiries into such cases; but he denied that there was any similarity between the two. Sir GEORGE GREY—At all events, under the gene ral rule of law the abstract principle was in favour of the issuing of such a Commission. In 1718 a Commission was appointed much similar to the one now moved for. The case which originated it was referred to the Privy Council, and it was then decided that the Crown had an undoubted right to visit the universities referred to, and a Commission fur doing so was accordingly issued. As to the expediency of issuing such a Commission, be thought the Hon. and Learned Gentleman had himself adduced ample reasons for doing so, for he had stated several important alterations which it was necessary to make iu those universities, but which it would be impos sible to do without full it.quiry into the subject, and for carrying out the inquiry a Commission was absolutely necessary. He would be the last man to advise such 11 course, did be conceive that it would tend to impede those improvements which were necessary in the univer sities, or should it be calculated to bring any charge against the heads of them. He had too lively a feeling of the benefits he had derived fcom them while under the tuition of those men, to take any course which would tend to those results. if ho had not derived more benefit than he had it was his own, and not his teacher's fault; but at the same time he could not shut his eyes to the fact that reforms were wantsd. It was, however, in no hostile spirit to the universities that this Commission was proposed. As to the heads of those universities being precluded from giving their evi dence on oath, he did not think that was correct, as within his own experience the University of Cambridge had made application to have their statutes altered, and the heads of that university were not precluded from giving their evidence respecting them. After, however, what had been stated by his Noble Friend at the head of the Government, the course he felt called upon to ask the. House to pursue would be that they should adjourn the debate until that day three months, and he therefore moved accordingly. Mr. JOHN S fUART said he regretted the course the Right Hun. Gentleman had announced his intention of pursuing. The Right Hon. Gentleman had assumed that everybody admitted the legality of the Commission; but he had an amendment on the paper in respect of it, upon the discussion of which he would show that the course proposed was totally illegal. He would, there fore, ask the Right lion. Gentleman to withdraw the motion he had now made, and allow him to take a dis cussion on his amendment. Sir G. GREY said he should be sorry to prevent the Honourable and Learned Gentleman from introducing his amendment, and be should in the mean time with draw his motion in order that he might introduce it; and Lord JOHN RUSSELL, having stated that his Right Hon. Friend would renew his motion at an after period of the debate, Mr. STUART introduced his amendment, which was, that any advice given to her Majesty to issue a Royal Commission for inquiry into the state of the revenues and management of any colleges or halls of the two Universities of Oxford and Cambridge, not being of royal foundation, tends to a violation of the laws and consti tution of her kingdom, and of the rights and liberties of her l Majesty's subjects. Such Commission as that pro posed would have no power of extracting the truth, for it had been admitted that it could not compel people to give evidence before it; and, therefore, what would be the use of it? The gentlemen connected with those uni versities were as much entitled to their emoluments as any landed proprietor in the country, and he considered the proposed Commission illegal on the ground that all Commissions were illegal which compelled a man to state how he was engaged or employed his revenue. It was an es sential principle in the law of property that no man could injure the right of another who held property in common with him. It was said this Commission was not to be invested with compulsory powers. But suppose it was nut, were nine men to stand out and not give evidence, and a tenth yield and give information respecting the matters in which the other nine were interested, he should like to know in what an invidious position such a rnau would thereby place himself ? The Right Hon. Gentleman had said thut a number of Commissions had been issued for a similar purpose, but it so happened that not. one of those Commissions had been appointed to in quire into how private property was enjoyed. He had also stated that Lord Brougham had, in the House of Lords, supported the appointment of a similar Commis sion to inquire into the corporations, but that was not at all a similar object. Besides, at the time Lord Brougham was a member of the Government, and was, no doubt, in a manner called on to support Government measures; but it did so happen, that the Noble and Learned Lord had given his decided opinion against the appointment of the present Commission; and, therefore, if his opinion was good in the one case, so it was in the other.—(Hear.) The Right Hon. Gentleman had also said that the Crown had a visitatorial power in respect of these universities, but that power was merely traditional, and only gave the Crown the power to settle disputes when appeals were made to it from those universities. There was, however, no appeal iu this case, and therefore there was no power to appoint a Commission. He did not speak simply as a lawyer when he said that an ambulatory Commission of the description proposed had no right to institute such an it.quiry as that proposed to be adopted with regard to the universities. They could not, how ever, shut their eyes to the fact that the great question of tno Dissenters being admitted to the honours and emoluments of the universities, was the object really in view in bringing forward the proposition. The Hon. Mover of it admitted it would bo a sort of step to that result, and the Noble Lord at the head of the Govern ment did not go se far; but ho stated that the speech of Lerd Stanley settled the question. Now in his (Mr. Stuart's) opinion that sp.rech was pretty much like L ird Brougham's —(A laugh)—and if e Right Ili nourable Baronet the Secretary of State for the Home Department referral to it he would find that such was the case. The Noble Lord said, and Dis senters said the same thing, that many of these colleges had property which was held and governed by their own statutes, and, he added, that he wished for some information on the subject, so as to ascertain if the sphere of education could be enlarged. One of the Noble Lora's infirmities as a statesman was that he never came directly to his objects, and if he in .----------, tended to tpnt, do that which was sought for by til?Pi9ll as no doubt he did, 'the ": Tiles House a nd the country that such was his intert.,:;i, e Commissions, however, to inquire into their i t: a 5 , verities 6ion were no: a new project. Iti 164 7 a C`J el ,. ol . l ,h the wasstatutes viev , te a u tte o why did be not trakly.tea? instituted by Parliament with a more atutes of the universities, in order thatreal° soi v. cal, . extensive, and a Prime Minister of t d.aeliisic. enough to commit himself to that proe-s,uosest B te t r i m t his conduct bad been commented on in the str" the a great hi,torian, for Lord Clarendor.s .4 p er/ broke , t r e iv oiti t f h ol a l t ow t 3 t!e b•Y eisit a tion which then took place laste. ti11i,761 Oxford, took the a u s sua C l h o s aoeu no: rutTreasurer,,dospxl(3plifcani)uoitrgvxi eheaginiesrds, , when a n t c h el s lo t r o o d f bad, in consequence of eh theigerabld who, as and ,s 0 In t eitt of his nature, taken 5t part 11 the temissioners and Presbyterians, ." mope. reformthe universities. These uviversities vier! „j e ll! to submit, but having met in convocation, t ougs'" ji b hey P guarded with etfhend its 1; 1 1 1 , prison, t )00,, troops and the King in lisped ~one a d eclaration denying the povrer of the e ' d frots were fieete 001 office. That, in consequence of which they day bu however, could not be done in thet,Poi 00 sorted ; to t they might adopt the expedient eve°, 00 , 3 4 de' towards persons whom Anthony P , s „,(it scribes as " a pitiful set of men called 10 1°1 ; ths l lac l e netgoo)i It was also said of these Conran yes i be re did they seek to possess themselves o _ .. ,01 venues y of need W . ' nd the univ • ' e rsity, but they conarne , bes PI the fiddl es and destroying the garlands whic h " efi l , ~ o tto , in those es Anotee 0 was mad tablishmeuts.—(A laugh.) e when times became more libersl, end of Or' of royal authority, es in the present instance. tot Stuart), a lawyer, denied the legsiiti othe autho? ' as Crown It. Parliament certainly had the P lve ! 0 ' te 011 had not an inherent authority t° j 6 37 Ober a Commission asthepresent. I° 16 ? 7 (3101)siv Commission was issued, and present. opt to 'u s- 'J' senter in Ma d ` a' e as r esl ‘ II. g • Alen College; but that also 0 , 0 to , and the consequences which followed Were iteeh.ol, 01 That was a college, the endowments of 7 0 1 soa " perhaps the least devoted to pureosee of,e"°,14001111; any other in eithe ' • - t e soos, r university; but t dh , rie a ply with the • wishes of royal authority, an 0 iiiststi 0 P refer to the passage in Mr. Macaulay's .0 at o r Euoland " public P o gl we a , , where their conduct and re described in d glow the the most eloonent an • h .- ois,ed .1,0 gunge. It was that resistance vthich este. of liberties of England, won 0 0 King as °gland, and led to the exP tl d w ho r as weak well as his Minister, Lord Sunderign • oe (0 , had the Earl of Pembroke in 1647. d'etol Stuart)to apologise to the Ilouse for i _, asilli'i them, but the he c submitt . ed that all the authorlsbe oheoloo issuing ommission • •th biro , s e der ° conclude bs b ' 'a ere I" 0 01 reltting his motion to the 0 . 11 1 of the Rou y ti iii Se, Mr H :r the eg Hon •B H. DRU m M _OND thought that 1, ro litl , coil do de's; the Hon. Baronet (Sir G. Grey) was right in .douse upon the advantage derived thrall!, be ee 5 e i of this debate, and the • I-• bleb it h e s ore., tone with w si 0 one l e' , opened, alluding to the speech of the r 0 ' coo Member (Mr. R. Palmer), the House mighthe the 1 0 1 tulated _also upon the altered tone taken , q, foe - „ e d Hon. in which h entleman—a tone so totally differetwoo ol0"0 the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. ger° the s e t the guesetion' and, it must be added. ft eo oel d adopted stisselli,so t he 10 much -Y the •Noble Lord (Lord J. the more Hen moderate this might have beet/ oeetrietlh.est Gentleman.—(Bear, hear.) Tr ier s - t o the, ° ; o ) llf be some and confusion in the minds of inanY 9 ' 40 eils'",i o ll intention of these universities . They ss'"" a as the; tbs, not places f ° Primary instruction. Do t , e w „ pllbl' C ', 0 , of the Go o v f ernment to do its best to Warn .":031)0110Piti subjects the Crown generally, agains,t, . 4 aeir er6 , o o every kind, and to provide a placeau. _ 3 er?„,, or college, Iti---wner "old should b or what you lOU ((roc e ho e known to under o an , '- el " t h y 6 '41 1 tion in certain subjects, andg that ',I ste it 'ell receivethe something in the shape of 11 e er- c hi I fri a d the assumed were duly qualified for the professicl4o,ool be t° .: e , 10, , 1'i 0 9 to be learned, and t° divinity.—(Hear, assistants of the people, whether in rnedietr,loolo,4o which the hear.) Nhether the liu „ to it' s j the Noble Lord - a the Cr °ll " le te. had advise litt ' tIO was technically illegal rf of or not mattered ve ry 1 0 the question Commissio turned more upon the cong°43,lleool) fact of then, C and the duties assigned to i t, ' prote ei t hif' • '0 (Mr' ti° confessed Commission itself. e he was some the what sce tics], e dto t ifi culty, as t o the effect of it, wheuP he refer° s iohs ill, ceedi ' n had w r h or h , Whigs upon former similar ecu tbe ° e .' what --n a Copy of a Commission sec t ota 0 0: 3 they called p " good old titness,'"l“,..g ( ) A islifoto alwa • 1690 s meaning when Whigs were in orocv• • „oite 'of Inthey sent down aCO wissioo to 11 7, 0 0 , the were universities of Scotland; inand the C°;illeciPel'C'lli fessort° summon, w ar n, and charge the Pr•-opa sotto the r'inastere, &c., to appear a nd ahowerinoo i' ll dis lieges Commission, and like/vise to 511°1 ' - WW I ' 1) 0 who had anything to object - to, Srol said principal, professors, &O. t i da le essors, masters, 0 1 t he o f and give i n acts the saine. 11l A °ue that , s tt 1 1 ei Commissioners state. to ss"- 1 0 ,040 come to try if negligent; to inquire honnym„crisf„ „t.,"„t•tigs f°,14,1"40 they kept in a day, at w h w a time,' r o i . " l i r bow 'ooo4l,rod discipline they exercised, t h 11 -o h 1 eltioe„l4 laws, &c.; likewise to call for offetentibee le:a r 0 , 13°, h a o w w s , the ed revenues were managed, 80. O h l i ' 3o o'' c r publish osit l e s A laugh)—remarked doubt he must hal e " s e e to - n li Tory—( how yit IV`" if r 111 appear that the maters' easy fie the 111'°1 greatest crime w a/ ell A ; and prefertnents.—(Bear, and a I h•) 4 " . indeed, would depend upon the aug s.oppainte adeo the same time this should be conPetdrsc°rhed•-;tll,lllpos'eftf assumed to herself, or that Housesto'itseh• „I•eisperillito°, inquire how these corporations used thor I ° ,,cte• tie' what argument was the Crown itself to be prof 43 b a d ,_ ne a u ~,,,, a commission • • property?—([)ear, • to inquire as to hoW Oa ' 4,-ee t ot a ft. very vA per ty ?—( _Hear, hear.) Th© whole Ins oa r to . much as if the Noble Lord had fallen je t 'P S 0 1 at/ sle ) into which heads of Gove ts were this o°r0 ° r $0 t d fall, taking upon themselvesnun" of th' s 50-opeteAeall consulting their Cabinets affairs eraoo ° • aor o' inform ta them—(Hear, hear)—for eran). 1) °lea I °lli .°I it se went e l ~, of h t t h a ° y one who knew anything of whist ~i ass' t ie a duties of the s e u • .. or cow" The t o universities , c ete l of sanction any such versifies were b proceeding.—(lie' r• heat, ) v oter 0 e Milne, by lapses to tal 1 09 je t h 13 ,0) / 0 discharge their in which th duties to the public Di 1 ,4" et, "„"ei,,, 11 ', e public might be benefited--V-e$10" '''' but the w with theiray to remedy that was not to go basbefit), 0 thing we ought property and their rights.--(0e°600 gill Roman ought to do was either to oPe° oe t ° mo o Catholics nr . e S C o lt grants of V and NODeoDfOrrOist;,, v e for ~ Catholics p u lc money to build colleges, °° Ole r s 1 " cs• and another for Nonconforraists, i v it I" If the de P e be ti 1 It wasees and honours of the univerisitio3oool-100 perfectly impossible for them to coottiselii osb' versifies after merel y as parts of the Churehttrch eatoi lision they had themselves deet o ed that t 'a 03. °1 0i i i r k and alter that r Ycontaining ally lit 00 11,• fessed ent' moot enemies to the House, establishment , e ~ set oigh;110 O r if the argumenttiP°it.—(Hear, hear.) A great f alla cy wh o 05 4 0 this debate of tho Honourable Gent ht be t to i ! th as to the things which ought " I vol t 15: at universities. The two prineiPeetletY(P's, alluded e to were modern history and. ~.- -y , 0 0 0 t/ / guages. With respect to modern hi5i0...40 0 1 ,. $ F bl e Drummond) it. did not exactly know whe t :•019$10 $. O which Whigs were famous for writing poiti c , 1 0 1 8 t o 0 0 gin they called histories—(A lauelI)--"e°004,100es with Fox's " History of Jam s," and go esee'etior ates meao t t that had come out; and if e the 11°°"teees ( I ` l , r ; that he it was very important that, 0 13`00tt; should taught to the • • genereti° ' Weill' Drummond) must differ rising ri_si..) , ,f, i t was a from him.---(ewttbfro er y s matter of taste.—(A laugh.) si rs vni PO modern languages, the Hon. Gentletneo in ' age - pee 4 , There was a great advantage in the ko°firdi Over', dern g languages wh to those who had to mi% 0 libel 00, om they were spoken• but it we g . fe tbe o p!. neous to suppose that you could eler da l eeo O la f advantage from the s t u dy o f modern laogl2s'fri Op eient.—(Hear,as to the hear.) There was a little eft. o f e to guages object to be effected by the teecteoreogo4;o with theat the universities. It had 13 : 1 , 0 e I° :s ° r h subsequent use to be ode of t", - , 0 0 11 • - e 4 t , ! ) ,1 than learning to fencel3l rto d'cre 0 l' l 'o with the te o_ _ o e or ti subsequent • walking. 1 0 % CO s ett 0 1 cause you had learned to fence, tv but l tS e l y carte and tierce through ja • 10 6 not proper t h e % per , co th e 0 Power over your live iOl of • 1 in these exercises. So with - pore 0 00 r oti the lear ibe be e guages; the great advantage was th e „ t ploo t s ie sos thereby exercised other mean in a w a y in which i t ce. p ow r i g r i t !louse s. Illustrations might be 0e p Plal id °9 eminently during the last century; let o°' ° ' er 4 f o ii - d l e those who had been had been distinguishe iiege.lo 001 The knowledge most learned while at C ° t • UlS t ilier l i 0 fled, Youw"ge of German bad been P tlr " le °' / nowt moo, ever would find everywhere abroad well versed greedatenr Vagliebtiee°lltgli'll P A c li would find English people well ers versed t,°_,e,rthet steel!! guages, and the reason assigned broao"-geut -°cll'll literature a . her, s ho hg was not only so much rt° OAO / purer, that English those 0 rs. i I was f necessary or „ c os A oc o r exercised themselves in light reading, beta 01: 01 0 ) reading . on the continent was so cerruPti-jier d '. pi ei Now, there were many eicc ee if 00 o i at the persons here 1 . . introduction of popery pen t heft tie lj t o light instead of wrong, in point. of Det',,trouegt $ 0 1 greater era danger to this count froM the " - : t h ttl-,,lefr German minable literature, filling peoplesry mind s , : s'ls 41111i P e system of neology. if there - i /9 OP °°1) 0 1 which we ought t o be many,jealous, it Y , f gr. ft s iv c and especially Prussia. 00 k very much • disliked . r caille Ol e 1 0 everything tha t ;0 vis e , 00, 0 ( quarter.—(A laugh.) In politics fruse'eole °I.,010,01(' treacherous war; i t sa , of all countries during the w"i, or r it , 0 the most base; it f llowed O. gf° tit, France, 0 we I ha l e according as it could obtain 50 0 1, 10 e oe l lifi It wa, a Minister of Prussia who was' t",,, bibs -000, convicted of receiving money to betrtlso the'sole,o4, Prussia was the great centrefrorn whicu -- b og 0 .0 of Europewhiela the came forth. If there was et ts t ril ed VlP, universities ought most to b e ~ the p ) a .o' the suffering German literature to becolo- es i s: l e the was e instruction of English youth.---(-esci•SeYfe x exceedingly glad the adourno3Clit i. t- 0 ' 4° o ° l ° 0 4 . 10 ,01 1 0 09 moved.drawne [An HON. MEDIDEja--" That . . i t '• oe • ] It Ministers a was to be moved as ain , the; V o opportunity of rememberiog 0 4f e ct , thoughts were best. "—(Bear, 11 1) :jel 1 0 hear.) esoe Mr. E. BUN BUIZY • Ithefirst ques" t he 1 1 , the - r the Crown had salt uire iet° 0 1 t 1 0 1 4 whi • eh might exist i t n he p h ower to incl itt ~ w itb igit ., 0 4 r e , i :c , remedy those defec's t b e nuinbitiveeqrtstenet 1° 7. 19 0 er e iv tha"teved that there were y rsec 41ents for 7 no , o 0 0 0 ( Power in the creationPof the Coo3lol. 0 1 co i reehieltoissi ;000,, inquiries and report the measure 0. C o le of was afterwards founded, the fce Letter , and also on r the itb tl y which preceded the format:oll o' 0 tot If o ke t O, N I, c,l Commission. Now he said, for be , 1 ,0, be ',.‘ 0 versities me themselves, it was most e sire , ' s olo 0 00'. r f ev rous and grave charges against theni _si th e 0 ` bb l t esugated. He believed that inanCisej ne,i which were made against them were L'` tio o neous ideas as t -0 the nature and eonoute