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HOLLAND. j BANK OF ENGLAND. The First Criatnber of the States-General of Hol- (From last night's Gazette.) lend acme on the 16th to an important decision. It An Account, pursuant to the Act 7th and Bth of Victorla,cap. 32 for rejected by a majority of 19 to 14 the Bill adopted . the Week ending on Saturday, the 14th day of June, 1851- ISS ITZ DEPARTMENT. by the S econ d Ch am b er, having for object to a l low, x. as an ind emn i ty, a pension of 9 ,000 florins a year to Notes Issued ~...... 27,298,530 the old members of the First Chamber, dissolved ac cording to the terms of the second additional article of the Constitution, and who had been named for life. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF COMMONS, June 20. The SPEAKER took the Chair shortly before Four o'clock. _ PRIVATE BUSINESS. The Lords' amendments to the Edinburgh,`Perth, and Dundee Railway Bill were considered and agreed to. The following Bills were considered and agreed to and the Bills ordered to be engrossed :—St. Helen's Im provement (No. 2) Bill, the Warkworth Harbour and Dock Company Bill. The Duchy of Lancaster (High Peak Mining Customs and Mineral Company) Bill was read a second time and ordered to be committed. The General Reversionary and Investment Company's (Imposition of Stamp Duty) Bill went through Com mittee. The followingßills were read a third time and passed— Cheltenham Improvement and Health Bill. Magneto-Electric Telegraph Company Bill. United Kingdom Telegraph Company Bill. PETITIONS. Lord C. MANNERS presented a petition from Lei cestershire complaining of agricultural distress, and praying for protection. Sir W. VERNER presented a petition from the county of Armagh against the National system of education. Mr. MUNTZ presented a petition from an individual, formerly an officer in the Austrian navy, complaining that during the war his ship was seized by a British cruiser, underthe impression that she was a French vessel, and since then he had been striving to obtain redress from Government without success. The petition prayed the house to take his case into consideration. Mr. ANDERSON presented a petition from 1,000 mariners frequenting the port of London, praying for the unconditional repeal of the Mercantile Marine Act. Mr. LOCKHART presented a petition against Papal aggression. Mr. COWAN presented a petition from Edinburgh, praying for the abolition of tests in the Scottish Univer sities ; also a petitio n f rom t h e same p l ace, praying for the abolition of the annuity tax. Sir JOHN YOUNG presented a petition from Cashel against the Ecclesiastical Titles Bill. Mr. PACKE presented a petition from the Agricul tural Society of Leicestershire complaining of agricultu ral distress, and praying for protection. Mr. A. HASTIE presented a petition from Glasgow against the Public-Houses (Scotland) Bill; also a peti tion from the fish dealers el the same place in favour of the Fisheries Bill. Mr. COBDEN presented a petition from a place in the West Riding in favour of the People's Charter. NEW WRIT. Oa the motion of Sir DE LACY EVANS, a new writ was ordered for Greenwich for the election of a burgess to serve in the present Parliament in the room of Mr. Barnard, deceased. PETITIONS. Sir G. PECHELL presented a petition from the tem perance society of Brighton, praying for the repeal of the taxes on knowledge. Mr. FORDYCE presented a petition from Aberdeen in favour of the abolition of tests in the Scotch Univer , si ties. Government debt • • 11,015,100 Other securitleo .. .. '2,984,900 Gold coin and bullion 13,265,17 b Silver bullion .• •• • . 33,375 X 27,293,550 M. MARSHALL, Chief Cashier. Dated the 19th day of Jane, 1851. $27,293,550 EGYPT, The Courrier de Marseille affirms that the execu tion of the railway between Alexandria and Cairo is postponed. The Paella of EGYPT is said by some not to have sufficient money to bear the expense of tht execution, which was to be confided to Mr. STEPHENSOS ; but the above Journal declares that the delay has originated in protests sent in against the undertaking by the Porte, Russia, France, and some other powers. BANKING DEPARTKEN T. Proprietors 'capital .. 14, 55 3,000 Rest - .. 3,097,191 Public deposits (In cluding Exchequer, Commissioners of National Debt, Sav ings-banks, and Di vidend accounts) .. 7,809,278 Other deposits .. .. 8,907,866 Seven day and other Government securi ties (including Dead Weight Annuity) .• 13,544,281 Other securities •• .. 12,637,529 Notes .. •••••• • • • • • • 8,417,100 Gold and silver coin.. 627,324 Bills.. -............. 1,058,899 TURKEY. The Marquis DE VALETTE, Envcy Extraordinary and Minister Plenipotentiary of the French Republic to the Sublime Porte, arr i ve d i n the Turkish capital on the sth inst., with his lady and the aitach46 of his legation, by the Pluton steam-frigate. He was re ceived at the landing place with all the honours due to his rank. On the 10th he had an audience of the SULTAN, and presented his letters of credence. The accounts f rom a ll parts o f t h e country still continue to be unsatisfactory. The dearth of rain is greatly felt. Public prayers have been ordered to be read throughout the country, calling on PROVIDENCE for the blessing of rain. Added to this, the locusts are ravaging the country. The crops of the central provinces of Asia Minor have been completely de stroyed, and it is app re he n ded that misery will exist in those parts. The Turkish fleet is being manned, ready for sea. 435,426,234 £35,426,234 :. MARSHALL, Chief Cashier. Dated the 19th day of June, 185 ITALY. The Giornale di Roma, of :the 11th, publishes a decree, issued by Oardinal ANTONELLI, directing that the paper-money still current, amounting in all to 3,710,000 south (22,200,000 f.), shall be replaced by a new sort of paper-money, called Carta di Surrega zione. They are to have forced currency, and to be divided into six series, the first five of which shall be of 600,000 scudi (3,600,0000 each, and the last shall contain the remainder of the whole sun]. The new bills are to be of 1 00 , 50, 20, 10 , 5 s cu di, and one scudo, and to be detached from borders. THE FURTHER .RACE--SOI SIR JOHN FRANKLIN'S EXPEDITION. (From the Aberdeen Journal of June 18.) W e have lately received most unexpected and distinct; confirmation of a report, which was current in 1848, upon the return of the Prince of Wales whaler, that when that vessel was in a sound, leading west out of Baffin's Bay, which was entered in a fog under the be lief that it was Lancaster Sound, a cairn of stones had been discovered at a very considerable distance from the, entrance. This account, which did not in 1848 receive the atten tion and investigation which it deserved, has now been verified by the spontaneous testimony of ono of the Ork neymen, named William Millar, engaged to go out in the Prince Albert. His statement, which, if required, he would have confirmed upon oath, was made to Lady Franklin, Mr. Kennedy, the commander of the expedi tion, and M. Ballot, was formally attested by himself; and is in substance as follows.— " That, early in September, 1848, the Prince of Wales entered a sound is Baffin's Bay in very thick weather, the captain believing it to be L av caster Sound. They proceeded slowly westward duri - alg some days, when the fog lifted, and showed them high land on the larboard side over the mast-he3d. The cap:am, being doubtful if it were the loom of icebergs or of land, sent off a boat, which after a few minutes' Pulling reached the south shore, where they landed, and above high water mark observed shoe prirs:ls in the mud, clo•Fe by a small cooking-place blackened by fire, find a little further on a well-built cairn, four cr five feet high. This they had begun to pull down, when they were required to desist and return to the ship is', mediateiy, as she was in a very dangerous position, the current driving her in shore. William Millar states that at this point the channel widened and seemed to enter an open sea, with islands. From the length of time oc cupied in getting out into Baffin's Bay, it appears that the vessel must have gone up about 100 or 156 miles, and the aaptain was wall aware that he had not been in Lan caster Sound, a belief which was con fi rmed on passing. the entrance to that Sound, as they proc ee d e d south ward." THE SUN, LONDON, SATURDAY EVENING, JUNE 21, lB5l. MARKET INTELLIGENCE. (From the London New Price Current, June 20.) StTAet— , importers of West India S ugar askingOai;a advance on former rates of 6d per cwt ope rated against b sB u 2 sin h e h s a e s . The purchases marketpurchasesclaorseing46inO, someand for the week 2 , cases rather above prices of last Friday. R E rneED.—To-day home dealers made purchases with more freedom in Refined Sugar, and prices closed with firmness at 46s 6d to 49s for low to good grocery lumps. The market is firm for Crushed Sugar, and a good de mand exists for Foreign for shipping; but British met a slow sale. MAITRITIIIS.—This afternoon there was no public sale of Mauritius Sugar, privately, however, some parcels were sold at higher rates, and holders have confidence. EAST Lei:q.t.—This afternoon the parcels of Bengal Sugar sold privately were at full rates, and in some cases at a small advance for better sorts. At auction 2,040 bags found buyers at 42s to 43s 6d for good and fine grainy yellow, and 458 bags brown at 28s to 31s for low to fine soft. Madras is wanted at the former value. FOREIGN.—To-day there was more desire to operate in Foreign Sugar for the United Kingdom, and further purchases were made by exporters at former rates, but the particulars are not allowed to transpire. The market closes with a firm tone for all sorts of Foreign, white Havannah excepted. MOLASSES.—Prices are not better; there is, however, rather more business doing; low to fine West India at 13s to 16s, Bengal and Mauritius 12s to 12s 6d, Cuba and Porto Rico 14s to 15s per cwt; there are several buyers rather under these rates. Fine Honey is wanted at 50s to 60s, but other sorts are purchased with cau tion at 25s to 45s per cwt. COFFEE.—To-day a sale of 300 pkgs Jamaica at tracted little attention, and prices declined is to 2s, low mid at 46s to 46s 6d, fine to fine fine ord 41s to 45s 6d, good ord 38a to 40s, and pea berry 58s 6d. Of Plantation several parcels sold privately at rather better rates, low mid and mid from 495 to 52s are most in de mud. For Native the market is still dull at 36s 6d to 37s 6d per cwt. COCOA.—Trinidad is wanted, and full rates are offered; there are however now few parcels in the market; red has been selling privately at 43s to 47a for ord to fine, and grey at 36s to 40s. Grenada however met with little attention, and of 436 bags 25 brls 2 trim at auction a small part only sold at 35s to 375, and good to fine red at 38s to 425, b e i ng t h e previous value. Foreign is not offering at any further reduction, sales are still upon a small scale. Bahia and Para at 26s to 28s, and Guaya quil at 30s per cwt. TEA.—Prices are still receding for common and good ordinary Congou, the former selling at 9d to 944, and bettor at 9f d per lb ; the home trade has been good, and several shipping orders were executed; there is, however, an increasing supply, but no further decline is at pre sent looked for. In medium to rather strong blackish leaf; sales are to a fair extent in consequence of 103 to 111 d per lb having been taken; but good to fine qualities have been purchased with much caution, although offered at is to Is 6,1. In Oolong sales have been small, and parcels are offering at is to is 9d. Fowling is dull of sale at 8d to 9id, but of this sort only a trifling quantity is in the Ines het. Holders of green are reluctant to sell at any further reduc tion ; dealers, however, purchase with caution, and supply is plentiful; but low and medium sorts are most freely of fered fur sale. For scented and Pekoe Teas the rates taken being rather under last week occasioned opera tions to be upon rather a large scale. SPlCES.—Cassia Lignea remains in small supply, and is held for 102 e to 105 s per cwe,.but inquiries have been made. Cassia Buds in small lots realised 105 s to 110 s. For Cloves there are yet few buyers, and at auction 96 bags Bourbon were taken in at 64d to 6fd per lb. Penang can be obtained at lOU to Is 3d, and Amboyna at Bd. Mace met with a fair sale, first sort 25 5d to 2s 7d, 2nd 2s Id to 2s 3d, 3rds, Is lld to 2s. Nutmegs continue in good request at the previous value, and 45 pkgs at auction realised 2s 4d to 2s 8d for ord to mid brown. The rates paid privately for better kinds are 2s 2d to 3s 9d, and for low to good limed Is 10d to 2s 63. In Cinnamon sales to a fair extent have been made; Ceylon, first sort 2s 4d to 3s 6d, second diito is 104 to 2s sd, third and fourth Is to 2s. Ginger sells more freely for home coasump- Lion, but at previous moderate rates. At auction 128 pkgs realised 74s to 91s for mid to good mid, and 624 to 70s for ord to good ord, but better sorts are worth 51 to 91. Of African 500 bags were disposed of at 289. Export sorts of East India are little wanted, and 15s to 18s is the value. Pimento is rather cheaper; at public sale, however, 568 bags were all disposed of, good mid to good went at 4fd to 4-Id, low mid to mid 4id to 4id per lb. Prices ruling moderate for Pepper occasion a better demand, and privately several transac tions have been taken, Malabar 3d to 31d, clean Suma tra 3d, and Penang rather dusty 2-ad to 2d. Only one small parcel has been offered at auction, and consump tion is on the increase. Sales in white are upon a more extended scale at 54d to Bd. Of Cayenne 6 pkgs sold at is Old to is 2d, but 58 bags Pod were taken in at 58s. RICE.—To-day East India Rice was much better in demand, and an advance of 3d per cwt was obtained. At public sale 2,780 bags 600 pockets Bengal were all sold ; fine white realised 103 6d to I ls, good lOs to 10. 6d, mid and good mid 9s to 10s, low 8s 6d, and damaged 53 per cwt. SPIRITS.—Of Leeward Island Rum several parcels have been disposed of; holders are also firmer, and obtain Is 5d to is 6d per gallon proof. A good demand prevails for East India at Is 3fd to is 4d proof, and at these rates some parties will not sell. Several transactions have taken place in Demerara; the prices paid are 21 to 2s 3d for 32 to 40 per cent. overproof. For Jamaica rates are not higher ; at the same time shippers and home dealers are more inclined to do business, and a fair quantity has been sold, consisting chiefly of better sorts. The valve of plain and mid 30 to 33 per cent. over proof is 2s 4d to 2s Bd, good 32 to 36 over 23 93 to 33 33, fine 34 to 38 over 3s 4d to 4i 4d per gallon. Holders of Brandy are unable to obtain any advance, although there is a good trade doing, and consumption is better than it was ; but the stock is yet heavy. Prices for Cognac best brands of the vintage of 1850 rule at 4s 4d to 4s 6d, 1849 ditto 4s 7d to 4s 9d, 1848 ditto 4s lld to 5s 2d, 1847 ditto 5s 5d to 5. 7d, of der sorts 5s 6d to 7s, infe rior kinds 2s 6d to 4s, Bordeaux 2s 24 to 2. 33. Th e value of British made Spirit is 9s 5d to 9e 6d; Gin 8. 2d to 8s 3d for 22 per cent under proof; Geneva 18 7d to is Bd, and fine is 9d to 2s; the demand is, however, not brisker. INDIGO.—This afternoon a public sale of 150 serons Guatemala Indigo went at rather lower rates, and two thirds sold, low to good hard strong coppery Cortes went at is 63 to 3s 3d, with a few mid Sobres 3s 4d to 3s 73. COCHINEAL —lmporters are still free sellers, and at the public sales price declined Id per Ib, but 240 bags were nearly all disposed of; Mexican silvers, low 2s 9d, middling and good 2s 10d to 2s lid, blacks 3s 4d to 3s 6cl; and Honduras, low to good silvers, 2s 10d to 3s 6d. SALTPETRE.—There was less demand to-day for rough Saltpetre, and in some cases rather lower rates are taken. At auction 707 bags Calcutta soli at 26s 6d to 27s 6d for mid to good ,6 to 81 per cent refraction. TALLow.—This afternoon the public sales of 390 pkgs South American Tallow went at 33s to 36s 9d, and 500 chs Sydney, Sheep 353 9d to 375; Ox 343 6d to 35s 9,1. OILS —There has been a reduction for Cod; limited sales have been made at 36/ 103 to 371 per tun; and for arrival tbcse rates are not obtainable. Ot Southern the supply is small; the rates paid being 301 to 331 for low to fine. In Pale Seal a good business has been concluded at 30/ to 301103; but supply ,is on the increase; other sorts are wanted at 281 to 291 103; few,, parcels at present are, however, on offer. ° L perta has been purchased with reluctance ; and on Headmaster i 3 tir tue part of holders a desire is evinced to sell fine American at 831 to 83/ 10, and British 841 to 851. moderate Seal e the value. much inquired for, and 89/ to 921 is , nseed Oil transactions have been upon a c9o both by shippers and home dealers; rates tend downwards, and rule at 323 3d to 323 Gd however, only a limited cwt on the spot; there is, are to be met with f or e supply. Few buyers go Zery, and there are sellers at von, re oast moderate rates are 325. Olive, has been in however, taken—Galli sorts at 36/ to 371 io e p m r eg at 381 to 391; other more ready sale, yet more attention rates paid were pric e °, tug. Palm finds a to 28s for fine. Cocoa Nut met Zul tk tlin at 27s 6d t _ e_m_and is from shippers and home dealers ; th e " 27s to 28s 6 , 1 for Sydney, and 281 6a lon and Cochin; there is also a less qua : t l it s for Cey- For Rape Seed Oil the market is firm, and 3 ( 7 1 ou offer. per cwt; u s .,'T, palo increasing—hrown has been selling at 31s 6d 333 to 333 6rl; Foreign Refined 343 ' an ther e is no decrease in supply. year 1 report NATIONAL VACCINE ESTABLISHMENT. -- The. for 1851, from this establishment, shows that . in answer past to 79 ,370 charges of lym vaccinated, 7,955 applications ; 124 0 (7 cases were reporkd as of which 10,025 were vaccinated by the stationary vacci nators were supplied in . in London. Large supplies of lymph were forwarded to th e .., West Indies. Besides a large and increasing demand _ f ur IYMph for inil:tary stations at home and abroad, ships of war, p r i sons, . . cze . supplies were forwarded to North America, Australia, New Zealand, the Coast of Africa, the Philippine 1 Islands Tad Hong Kong. The National Establishment had ..l.eoerfunnshed a supply to Egypt, at the request of the " . 0 7 and to Baden Baden, at the request of the medical authorities them. It appears that vaccination has been 01 tensively carried out at Bathurst ; and hopes are enter tained that it will spread in the native tribes on the banks of the Gambia. Ignorance and prejudice in the lower orders of this country are stated to impede materially the spread of vaccination. INAUGURATIO N OF THE STATUE OF POUSSIN.- The inauguration of the statue erected by his native town, Andelys, in memory of the celebrated painter, Nicholas PouBSill, W 49 celebrated on Sunday with great pomp. Sir J. PAKINGTON presented a petition from Droit wich complaining of the expense of the rural police. NOTICES OF MOTION. The dropped notices of motion were re-appointed. MERCANTILE MARINE ACT. Mr. `PAWN asked the President of the Board of Trade when ho would be ready to lay a Bill on the table for the amendment of the Mercantile Marine Act? Mr. LABOUCHERE said the Bill was nearly ready, and he hoped to lay it on the table in a few days. ECCLESIASTIC AL I ITLES. Mr. SCULLY presented a petition, numerously signed, from the county of Tipperary against the Eccle siastical Titles Bill. The House then went into Committee on the Bill, Mr. BERNAL in the chair. Mr. KEOGH said as Lord J. Russell had promised to introduce a clause to prevent the Bill being construed against the synodical action of the Rennin Catholic Church in Ireland, it was not his intention to move the proviso to the end of the clause which he had placed on the paper. Mr. MONSELL moved the insertion of the following words to the end of the clause:—" Provided always, that nothing in this Act contained shall be construed to interfere with or in any manner to restrict the free action of the Roman Catholic church in the United Kingdom in matters of a spiritual nature." He was sure there was no one in the House who was not sincerely anxious to avoid those angry bickerings which had for so many days past di vided the people of this country and Ireland into two hostile camps. The amendment he proposed would not altogether satisfy the views which he individually entertained on the subject, but he could not conceive it possible how any Hon. Members. who were really desirous to maintain religious liberty. could oppose it. He knew there were Hon. Members opposite whose vote he could not expect on this occasion, but he was unable to conceive any grounds on which the Noble Lord at the head of the Government could consistently refuse to give him his support. It was evident to everyone who had paid any attention to the discussions in the House, that while on the one hand the opponents of the Bill declared in a dis tinct and solemn manner that they had no desire to interfere directly or indirectly with the temporal :authority of the Queen, on the other, it was equally clear that those Honourable Members who supported the Bill distinctly stated that they , had no wish to interfere with the spiritual action of the Roman Catholic Church. Under those circumstances it seemed possible that the two parties might come to some sort of agreement upon the question which now divided them. The question was this—who was to decide what is spiritual and what is not spiritual? Now, the proposition w hich he made would have the effect of leaving the decision of that question entirely and absolutely with the civil courts. If it were carried, it would not be for the Roman Catholics to decide what was spiritual and what was temporal_ the decision of that question would fall solely within the jurisdiction of our ,civil courts of law. It might be said, perhaps, that great litigation would arise if such a course were adopted, but he had only to appeal to three great authorities against the truth of that as sertion. Grattan distil] ctly said, the statement that the Roman Catholic Church in any way interfered with temporal matters was the calumny of a scolding sect.—(Hear.) The Rev. Sidney Smith asserted, also, that in all his experience he never knew a single in. stance in which the spiritual power had encroached on the temporal punier, though during the time Sidney Smith alluded to there was a Roman Ca tholic hierarchy in Ireland. Lord Plunkett, again, said on the occasion of the Roman Catholic Emancipa tion Bill debate in des House of Lords, that though during the previous th:irty years the most acute minds had made the most searching inquiry, they never found a single instance in which the spiritual power of the Pope had interfe red with the temporal interests of the people of this realm. He would leave the motion in the hands of the Id ouse, trusting that it would be agreed to in a spirit of conciliation. The SOLICI roR.G . ENERAL said that he should be sorry if any expressio n should fall from the Govern ment indicative of an, thing else but that conciliating feeling to which the. Hon. Gentleman had alluded. The Hon. Gentleman must, however, remember that the question which. he had raised was one which had been before the House several times during the long discussion which they had had on the Bill. The Hon. Member had proposed one himself of a similar nature.—(Hear, hears) The answer then given, which seemed to anti afy the Committee, was that in reality if any spit itual purpose were pointed out which would be lists rfered with by this clause, it would be most desi ruble they should pay attention to the subject, and ends eivour to devise a means to pre vent such interference. But no such purpose had been pointed out in the cour se of the debate either by the Honourable Gentleman, himself or any other Honourable Member, except that the Bill would interfere with ordination, and there fore with the sacrament of marriage. Now it had been pointed out, then, that the functions of bishops diti not depend upon the titles held by them, but upon their ordination. And in fact since the year 1829 ordination, ill id marriage, and all other sacra ments, had been going •on with as much freedom as pos sible. That being in r e ality the only suggestion pointed out with any interfer ?I TO which the Bid would effect, he thought it was rath or too much to ask the Committee to consent to a clause • w hich would only introduce con fusion and difficulties i n explaining the cause. Mr. MONSELL coicteinusd is maintain that this Bill would interfere with the action of vicars-apostolic, and he remarked that the a.v gument of the Solicitor-General did not touch upon the point at all. Mr. SCULLY said the speech of the Solicitor- General applied only to the action of the 10th George IV. This Bin , however, went much further than that Act, for it rendered illegal the introduction of every bull from the Cot art of Rome, and therefore inter fered with the cerement sof ordination. No bishop here after could be ordains d in Ireland, and every act done by a bishop would be it legal. Mr. SADLEIR was exceedingly sorry that the Go vernment had not acquiesced in the amendment. Those i i t t t w o e m re ee r t i h te e v r ie e w ad s y o t f o t m h a e ke mi a n n is y te v r e , r b b o a t l the t h e e o r fa a p e t r i t o o and ho would not thi .refore allow it to pass under pn w os a sie s the Minis ter was opposed to it in principle, nd first o el End d y circumstances.once eor twieobee n Tr p u rpo e O a sed was under discussion, but they were told then that the s w im hil l e ar the amendment s s e first clause was purelt, • of a declaratory character, and the time had not the n arrived when such an amend ment could be; enesi eained. Now Government bad often announced th at they had no desire to athe. a t e h d e s id i t a n be d angerous to interfere with th e s s pi r itual aff a irs of the Roman C a th o li c Chur ch ; but what they laid down as a precept they wer e met disposed to put in practice, or they aid h a would o n 110 t a r e ; i s to ed General it would us tA a n d it o et p o r t ep t e h rye i s ; i t: e m , ci n h d e m ,e a a n u t s . e But, Roman C atholic at tes se' td u e a i dff srent and a larger meanine to the tc ten spiritutual functions than the Protestant; but h l':-cr tent take th e lib erty o f d eny i ng t h at assertion, w hi ch able and Learned G was convinced n e i t h er t h e Honour the Government, e, zdleman, nor any other supporter of little to hi what , t o s terra p r . ove : However, it mattered rnately came to wet thisin: Li tton the Committee ulti the majority . of hi, eseb;os, ~,!, he as welt as es man Catholic fellow-subje cts were determined tle it the present system of verning their Chi tech should go- They were determi: led that n • undergo no change. d force ° Bill, however stringent its provisions, shoul f them to return stem of the 3 , s of bishops apostolic. , Mr. J. O'CONN ELL said, if he remembered rightly, the Speech from th , :Thro ne, while i t recommieded legis lation on this subjs ce also advised the Hou4 not to in terfere with the religious liberty of the people. Now if this proviso were not a' opted would the House be complying with that requeot? Certainly not; and as the Bill was calculated to give rise to immense difficulties if passed in its present shape,he trusted the Government would re consider its decision. At all events, if they could not adopt tho exect words of the proviso, let them accede to its spirit, and frame some paragraph of their own by which the spiritualities of the Roman Catholic Church would be left untouched. Colonel RAWDON said the simple object of the pro viso was to protect Roman Catholics against the opera tion of the Bill in matters purely spiritual, and he had failed from the Government failed in hearing anything show ing that its introduction would impair the efficiency of the Bill. The At torney -General had said the B:11 would not interfere with spiritual matters, and he (Col. Rawdon) thought it was only right the Government should give the Roman Catholics the benefit of a doubt by agreeing to the proviso. He should support the motion of the Hon. Member. Lord J. RUSSELL explained that what he said was that the question involved in the motion had been decided before in the House. L cries of " Hear, hear.") It was perfectly cl ( ear oud that the in troduction of the words to the end of the clause would lead to great disputes and litigation, and would in fact take away from Parliament the right to decide what was spiritual and what was temporal, and leave that right so to decide to the courts of law. It was on those grounds that he opposed the motion. The House then di v id e d , when there appeared— For the proviso e Agsi . 160 ••• ----118 Colonel SIBTIIOiP moved th e a d dition of the nst f it ai . o.r.ty, against .• 42 ag .. fol lowing words :—" Aidshall f urt h er be imprisoned until banished fro m t h e United Kingdom of Great the payment of th e a f oresa i d sum of the said sum of five h undred pounds shall have been sP B oa r oi i d t l a .; i s rl haan a ld n l d h leaaefrtberland &ring the period of his natural life." He wan d s dun id not erous know Caelin a l Wi deman, but he certainly g mat; and it would be all the better if they got rid of him, fir one black sheep was quite suffi cient to spoil the flock. Not having any hope, how ever, of passing the clause, he should not press it to a division. Mr. MOORE said he certainly thought that if the commencementoct u r i d m e e w f Cardinal i chthe of f IV Nobleth e s L e e o s n i i d a o , n n i . n r h e h a a i d s l y e p w en a i s opening described,f p t t e h h e a e c t h p m e a n a t gni a the lt y suggested by the Ron. and Gallant Member was certainly more reasonable thin that provided by the Noble Lord himself, and of the :wo, if he had to choose between the two, he certainly should divide with the Hon. and Gal lant Member. The proviso was then withdrawn. On the question teat the clause stand part of the Bill, Mr. REYNOLDS could not allow the clause to pass without making ondor two observations on tip subject. The Hon. Member fir the county of Limerick had asked the House to declare that the Catholic Church should be free in spiritual natters, but the Noble Lord, with a majority of 160 to 42 , bad declared that it. should not p w o h s i s c e h s s He took this, the last opportunity red to him with respect to this clause, to declare that it was a repeal of the most valu libbeertyo.39' able portion of the sasancipation Act. It was a clause would that of pains and penalties against the Catholics of Ireland, and was an insult which they would never forgive either the present Whig Government or any of their suc cesors professing similar politics. Since he last addressed the Committee on the subject he had spent ten days in Ireland, where the indignation of all parties, clergy and laity, was so strong against the Government for their having introduced this Bill, that they declared that they had ceased to have any confidence in the Government, and that they had 100 all hope of obtaining justice from the present House of Commons. He had been autho rised to make that declaration, and he should not con fine it to Catholics, but included in it Episcopalians, Presbyterians, and tie liberal men of emery religions sect in Ireland, all of whom were of opinion that the present measure was a step backward in the cause of religious liherty. The majority of the house was opposed to him, but ho believed all the argument was on his side. No answer had been attempted to the memorable speech of the Right Hon. Baronet the Mem ber for Ripon on this sill. The feeling out of doors was, that the Bill was uncalled for and calculated to create discoid and dissatisfaction among her Majesty's sub jects. That being also his own belief be, in the name of his Catholic countrymen, and at the eleventh hour, re newed his protest against the whole of the measure. Dr. POWER said that though four months had elapsed since the introductiou of the Bill they were as much in the dark as to the effect which it would have as they were on the day of its introduction. The discus sion had done little beyond drawing forth differences of opinion with regard to its provisions. Surely, then, the better course would be to refer it to a Select Committee, in order that it might be licked into some shape, and be made consistent in its clauses. If he could believe that the issuing of the rescript by the Pope was, as had been stated by the Noble Lord, but a part of a general scheme for the suppression of the liberties of Europe, he should have voted for the Bill. The Noble Lord had not, how ever, supported his assertion by any facts or by any reasoning, and he thought it was unfair in the Noble Lord to throw into the discussion an ingredient of that kind in order to catch a fees votes. The Committee then divided, when there appeared— For the clause ......150 Against it ... ... 35 Majority in favour of the clause ...-115 On clause 3, Mr. S. CRAWFORD said he wished to call the at tention of the House to the action which the measure would have on the voluntary churches within the king dom, and on the Scotch Church in particular. It ap peared to him that the Scotch Church should not be pre vented assuming titles for the purpose of its own inter nal government. The Bill as it stood, instead of its being a Bill far resisting the Pope's aggression, was in itself an aggression against every voluntary church. The danger which the Noble Lord at the head of the Government feared was nat provided against by that Bill. The real cause of the danger lay in the control which the State exercised ever the Established Church, and as long as that connexion between the Church and State existed so long would the danger complained of remain. The,clergy of that Church were too indepen dent of their people, and many conscientious persons were obliged to` secede from that Church to establish a church for themselves, and it . was principally on that account, and to secure for such persons perfect reli gious liberty, that he took the liberty of proposing the amendment of which he had given notice. He wished to see every Christian community that might deem it advisable to establish an episcopacy for themselves protected in their rights. He maintained that true religious liberty could not be held as long as the •ordinances, the doctrines, and the faith of the Church were under the authority of the State. The Queen was the nominal head of the Church, but she c , uld do nothing without the advice of her Ministers and Parlia ment. The true principle would be to allow every church to regulate herself. He did not bring forward his motion :for the benefit of any particular church, bat to secure the right of freedom of opinion to every man in the com munity. The Honourable Member concluded by moving 'his amendment, which was, to expunge all the words in . the third clause after the word "place," in line 2, page :3, and insert the following words:—" Used as the desig ;nation of office in such church, or to the assumption or else of the title of archbishop, bishop, or dean, taken by :any person solely as the designation of his office, for the government of any voluntary church according to its rules and usages, and not claiming or assuming to have law, in respect of such title, any jurisdiction, au o hority, or preeminence in the United Kingdom." Sir G. GREY said the proposed amendment would in o ne sense be ambiguous, and in another objectionable. 'lChe words would go to neutralise the Bill altogether, i f it was meant that any Roman Catholic bishop should take the title of any place at present forbidden by t he Bill. Mr. S. CRAWFORD said, in explanation, he wished ) give the Catholic or any other church the voluntary 9 ower of assuming the titles of archbishop, bishop, or I ean, for their own regulation. The Committee having divided on the amendment, the is umbers were— Ayes .., 33 Noes ••• ••• ••• ••• ••• 118 Majority agai nst t h e amendment .. —B5 The question th a t c l ause 3 stan d part of the Bill was Iti hen put. Mr. KEOGH said the proviso was not originally in tale Bill exempting Scotch bishops. After a few words from the Earl of ARUNDEL and 3 URREY, Sir G. GREY said there was nothing in that clause ;riving them a right to assume those titles. Mr. GLADS TONE said there was a very material distinction to be drawn on that discussion between the le ishops who held their titles under a foreign authority se ad those who did not. Although that clause took away as Impwhat of the intolerant character of the Bill, he eleoulfl like to see it extended to other bishops besides tihe Scotch, who did hold their titles under a foreign teuthority. He might be told there were none such mow, but could it be said that that would always be the case ? Sir G. GREY sa id the measure was to mee t ex i s ti ng (mtses, not im ag i nary )ton. Gpntleman. ones, as suggested by the Right Mr. OSWALD eacol the territorial titles of bishops htad been used in Scotland since 1721, and •therefore it 11 as erroneous to suppose that they had only been called it to requisition within the last few years. • 'Mr. GLADSTONE did not think that Parliament had imny right to interf9re in that matter except on the ground sre inconvenience or danger. They here placed restric tions on the principle of religious liberty, but had not shown on what grounds they did so. Mr. REYNOLDS said that as that was an emanci• pitting clause he would not vote against it; but if a divi sion took place he would leave the House, as he was de termined not to give his suffrage in favour of any clause , oe that Bill. The clause was then agreed to without a division. Mr. S. CR 1 WFORD then moved a clause to the effect that the Bill should not extend to Ireland. B e thought tl^iere were very good reasons for the adoption of that proposal. The act of aggression against wbic h the Bill was directed had no connexion whatever with that coun try, end had been expressly confined to England. The Ministers had withdrawn certain clauses of the mea sure, as originally introduced, in order that tibey might not interfere with the reasonable exercise of the juris diction of the Roman Catholic Bishops in Ire land; but the most eminent l aw y ers diff ere d u p on the point whether the measure, as it then stood, would not still seriously affect that jurisdiction. They proposed to prevent Roman Catholic Bishops from taking the titles of any sees. But as a particular sea was indrspensable to the ministration of a Roman Catholic Bishop, such a provision was equivalent to depriving Roman Catholics that Established had x e altogether of the ri g h t to h ave bi shops. H e .woul,l re mind ur c the Committeere Indand the Parliament eh uil a alreadyt in pur sued a hn different system of l eg i s l at i on f or t h e E s ta bli shed Cthil country. They had abolished the bishoprics in Ireland; they had pat an end to the Church cess there; and they had removed one-fourth of the tithes; but they had adopted non e o f th ose measures in England. They had, not, therefore, maintained the principle of a united Church in the two countries; and the reason why they had not maintained it was that the Established Church in England was a national Church, while the Estab lished Church in Ireland was the Church of a small section only of the community. lie would tell them that the extension of the measure to Ireland would de stroy peace and harmony in that country; that it would compel her Majesty's Government to maintain the union by means solely of a large standing army; and then it would be impossible to carry out that reduction in the public expenditure which the people of England were so anxious to see established. For these reasons he earnestly called upon the Committee to accede to his proposal. The SOLICITOR -GENERAL said he thought that the adoption of that clause would render the Bill liable to the objection of proceeding upon the grossest incon sistency. The principle of the measure, as advocated by the Government, was that it was inconsistent with the prerogatives of the Crown that a foreign potentate should assume a right to create dignities and jurisdictions in these realms, such as the Pope had attempted to create by the rescript establishing the new bishopric of West minster. That office was, in Ireland as well as in Eng land, an infraction of that arrangement which had been come to in the Roman Catholic Emancipation Act with the approbation of the whole Roman Catholic body. It was true that that Act did not specifically prevent the assumption by Roman Catholic prelates of episcopal titles which did not belong to any bishop of the Estab lished Church; but he believed that its object and spirit had been the prevention of any assumption by Roman Catholics of titles of sees in the United Kingdom. Now what would be the consequence of exempting Ireland from the operation of the Bill? The consequence would be, that while it would be unlawful to receive in Eng land bulls from the Pope conferring such titles, the re ception of similar bulls would be perfectly legal in Ireland. A great majority of the Legisla ture and of the people of these kingdoms regarded the recent act of the Pope as an aggression, and, he might even say, as an insult; and how could it be pretended that that which was an aggression and an insult in England could be regarded as perfectly harmless and legal in Ireland? The plain meaning and the adoption of the clause proposed by the lion. Member for Rochdale would be that the Queen's prerogative did not extend to Ireland. It should be remembered that the Act of 1829 applied to Ireland as well as to England, or rather that it bad been framed with a special reference to Ireland. The object of the present Bill was to carry out the Act of 1829 in its spirit as well as in its letter, and to pre vent an evasion of the solemn compact into which the Roman Catholic body had then entered. He could see nothing in the condition of Ireland which would justify her exemption from the Bill. It was said that the Roman Catholics constituted the great mass of the popu lation in Ireland while they formed only a small minority in this country. But if, as was pretended by the opponents of this measure, the sacred principle of toleration were violated in that instance, there could be nothing to justify its violation in the case of a small body of persons any more than in the case of a large population. The only ground on which the exemption of Ireland could be urged was the number of Roman Catholics in that country; but ho could not admit that numbers had anything to do with the principle. There fore looking at the general principle of the Bill, and the compact which had been entered into, he could see no reason why Ireland should not be included. He did not admit that they were dealing with the spiritual affairs of the Roman Catholics, or infringing the sacred laws of toleration, and for these reasons he opposed the adoption of the clause. Mr. ROCHE believed the Bill to be as unjust to Eng land as it was to Ireland, and as regarded the latter country it was certainly one of the most unjust measures ever contemplated by any Government. The Hon. and Learned Solicitor-General was too good a lawyer to say that this Bill was a mere repetition of the Emancipation Act, or that it did not extend the reetricive clauses of that law. And since the understanding upon which th e Emancipatio n A ct ha d b een passed had been so much commented on, be begged to remind the Committee that the Duke of Wellington, in his speech on that Act, ad mitted that the provision with respect to the assumption of titles in Ireland was introduced merely to satisfy some seraphs of a few Right Reverend Prelates. Lord Malmesbury, a great opponent of emancipation, said he looked upon the restrictive clause as regarded titles in Ireland as a farce, and worse than a farce. But as re ference had been so often made to the spirit in which the Act was passed, might he not reter to the spirit in which it had been carried out? Was it anything like the spirit of this Bill ? Why, they had passed Acts recognising these very titles in Ireland. They had carried out the Emancipation Act in a spirit more liberal and generous than that in which it wes passed, and yet here they were introducing a Bill of pains and penalties against the Roman Catholics of Ire land. He could not look on the extension of the Bill to Ireland in the same philosophical spirit as the Hon. and Learned Solicitor-General. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman was playing a great game, and so was he; but the difference was, that he had a stake in the result, while the lion. and Learned Gentleman had none. He warned the Noble Lord at the head of the Government and the country that they were engaging in a very seri ous struggle. He gave the Noble Lord credit for the utmost sincerity, but he did not know the country, nor did he take the proper means of informing himself. If he insisted so much upon principle, why did the Noble Lord not extend the Bill to the colonies? He was afraid to do so. The colonies were thousands of miles distant. Ireland certainly was not far off, but he advised them to count her numbers, and if they forced the Roman Catho lic clergy, who had always been the great peace pre servers hitherto, to conspire against the authority of England, Ireland would be more dangerous than all her colonies. Judging from the meetings held in this coun try, he did not believe that any great desire existed to extend the measure to behind, with respect to which there had been no aggression. If they wished to pre serve tranquillity in that country, and enable her to de velope her resources, it would be utter and perfect mad ness to extend this Bill to Ireland; it would be worse than a crime, it would be a gr ea t po li t i cal blunder. Mr. G. LI.CA.VENDISEI said the very reasons which induced him to support the Bill as regarded England compelled him to resist its extension to Ireland. In le gislating on a subject like this, they were bound to look to the feelings of the great majority of the people. Though, perhaps, the same loyalty and attachment to the;Constitution which distinguished the English Roman Catholics could not be extended to their Irish co -reli gionists, still be held that it would be impolitic to ex tend the Bill to Ireland, where, in truth, the trans planted Established Church had taken no root in the affections of the people, and he would therefore sup port the clause exempting Ireland from the operation of the Bill. Mr. CLAY said, if the Government of the day had refused to legislate on the question the people would have found another Government to o r y out their wishes, and the Protestant and natiosal spirit of the people would have kept the quarrel alive. lie believed also, that to extend the Bill to Ireland would, on the other hand, rouse a spirit in that country which would equally tend to perpetuate the quarrel; and being ani mated with an anxious desire to see the discussion brought to an early termination, he would support the proposed clause. Mr. LAWLESS vindicated the loyalty of the Irish Roman Catholics, and contended that the conduct of tbe Government with respect to this Bill was calculated. to destroy the kindly feeling which the relief measures gad engendered amongst the different religious bodies in Ireland. The Bill of the Noble Lord bad driven the people of Ireland back a century—to those times of bi gotry and intolerance when a Roman Catholic was de nied the common rights of citizenship when upon the ancient gates of Bandon was written the following in scription : " Turk, Jew, or Atheist May enter here, but not a Papist." A wag chalked up— . Whoever wrote these lines, he wrote them well, The same are written on the gates of hell." Even if the voice of England demanded such legislation for this country, ho denied that that voice should be per mitted to crush the religion of the , peopl e of Ireland. The Right Hon. B aronet the Chancellor of the Ex chter equer having stated his intention to offer the m ost de mined opposition to the Irish spirit question, had shown the Irish Members an example that they were likely to profit by in respect to this Bill. He warned thpresNs e ols'e Lord rs.inst the danger o f attempting to re the religious'feelings of the people. History al, f filled them many examples of the evil consNuences produced by such a course. He hell in his hanct a very able pamphlet, w r i tten bY a Mr. Andrew Carew O'Dwyer, an Irish barrister, and a gentlemen who was formerly a Member of that Fiouse, and from this pam• phlet he would read an extract describin g the causes and effects of the in,urrection in Bel, ium in September, 1830 The Hon. Gentleman having quoted at conside rable length from the document in question, said he thought the Noble Lord would do well to reflect upon the dangerous coarse which he was pursuing --a course that would most probably lead to the same serious con sequences as had happened in Belgium. Mr. H. DRUMMOND said that the question before them was simply whether this Bill shall be applied to Ireland; and the important consideration with them was not meoely its temporal application t o th at country, but as the Ho n . M ember for Hull observed, whether there would be a subsidence of this agitaion. Now, this agitation never would subside —it never could subside— because the aggression on the Part of a Roman Catholic Government, backed by all the members of that creed, was still continued, and they had shown their determi nation to bring the people of that country back from o the state of h eathenism in which they were sunk, complete s u b m i ssion to the See of Rome.--(Laughter.) t The Rom an C atholic Members had chosen a hundred th the and a hu n d re d times to throw back iu our tc , rm " ag gress i on. " That, however, sub ject at p resent before them; but when it was, was not he would te e hae be able t o prove what he was now satyien gef.Neither question would he b e tempted to enter upon h disloyalty. He could quote rather t. 7oa l r t se was said that expressions that had been used upon this subjec for there was they could not have a dividedn loyalty, Members, it appeared, no such thing. But certain . Hu th; Pope of Rome, and had an undivided loyalty to o h all sovereiens who inter were disposed to say, " 1n cries of " Read, read.") fared with his rights."—(Loud:mb —(Cries of ' m a n y Ys, No, no," said the ta;bers.) There were so mn yes," from the Irish no t lik , e to feaci.—(Laughte ) Pio Nonos that he dui These persons say that they re.pected the au.hoizty Of the vicar of Christ infinitely mote than any rau,y Act of Parliament. Mr. REYNOLDS—I - Tear, b c " Mr. 1-T . DRUMMOND then proceAed to read f rom a paper he held in his bond:—" We cona;der par Qlll3- glance to the Roman throne first of all. At an in finitely lower distance is our loyalty to any earthly eove reign compared with our devote:d loyalty to the Holy See. Perish a thousand kings and queens and parliament rather than it should be in the slightest degree opposed. As the spiritual exceeds the temporal in importance so this loyalty to the Holy See transcends that which we pay to the Queen of Englund."—(Loud cries of " Name, name," from the Irish Members.) They had no right to have any name.—(" Oh, oh," from tho same quarter.) As a matter of courtesy he would give the name, but he would not be induced to do so from compulsion. It was a Roman Catholic who used this language.—(" Oh, oh," from several Irish Members.) Mr. O'FLAIIERTY here rose to order. Ho said he believed he had a right to call to order the Hon. Meree'oer for Surrey, who, in his usual style and good feeling towards the Roman Catholic Members of that Howe, had quoted written paragraphs, which they were induced to believe were written by some Catholic Member of that House, or some great Catholic authority. He now found that the Hon. Member was quoting from some newspaper that was never before heard of. Is was any thing but fair, just, and (if the rules of the House would permit him to say so) it was anything but honourable, to make these quotations.—(Loud cries of " Order, order," from the Chairman and several Hon. Members.) He felt that he was not to be put down.—(Chair, and order.) The CHAIRMAN said an expression had dropped-- he hoped inadvertently —fr o m the Hon. Member, that he was not to be put down. He hoped that did not apply to the Chairman.—(Hear, hear.) Sir R. H. INGLIS said that when the Hon. Member for Galway had called the Hon. Member for Surrey to order, he should have been prepared to specify some in stance in which the Hon. Member for Surrey had de viated from the proper course of debate. He submitted to the Hon. Chairman whether the Hon. Member for Galway did specify a single instance in which the Hon. Member for Surrey had violated the rules of that House, or the proper feeling that should actuate him.—(Hear.) Mr. KEOGH said that the Hon. Member for Galway had, he believed, been called to order by the Hon. Mem ber for the University of Oxford. He did not see bow he had violated the rules of that House. The lion. Member for Galway had said that if the rules of , ho House permitted him, he would say that the conduct or observations of the ROD. Member for Surrey were any thing but honourable. All Hon. Members who had been in that House for the last twelve months must be aware that evasive expressions were constantly used for the purpose of avoiding the coming withi n t h e ' v i o la t i on of the rul es o f that House. He had seen much more flagrant violations of the House declared not to be disorderly; and he confessed he was not disposed tamely to submit to the Hon. Member fur Galway being called to order for what he had said, when he recollected the extraordi nary language that the Hon. Member for Surrey was permitted to use some few weeks back. Lord J. RUSSELL said that the Hon. Member for Galway had used no argument to prove that the Hon. Member for Surrey was out of order, It must be evi dent to the Committee that the Hon. Member for Sur rey had said nothing that was disorderly. Mr. SADLEIR said that the Noble Lord must be aware that the Hon. Member for Galway had been called to order for using disorderly expressions. Mr. O'FLAHERTY said that he had sat down in obe dience to the chair. Ho begged to inform the Noble Lord and the Chairman that he had not used any ex pressions he was not prepared to hold by. He believed that he had used an expression contravening the accu racy of the statement of the Hon. Member for Surrey. He was sure that he had not said anything that was a violation of the rules of the House. If be did so he would at once apologise. But he would not permit the Hon. Member for Surrey or any other Hon. Member to use expressions against his religion or loyalty without standing up in his defence, and maintaining his rights.— (Cheers from the Irish Members.) The CHAIRMAN said that when the Hon. Member for Galway rose he considered that he was about to speak to a point of order. He did not immediately col lect from his speech as to what part of the Hon. Mem ber for Surrey's observations he took exception. Mr. O'FLALIERTY said he complained of the Hon. Member fur Surrey quoting a statement which appeared by what had fallen from him to have been made by cer tain Members of that House. As he (Mr. O'Flaaerty) objected to its going forth to the public that such a state ment wee made by any Hon. Member of that House, he interrupted the Hon. Member for Surrey in the course he was taking, fur the purpose of letting the House and the country know that the documents quoted were such as ought not to be referred to without the name of the author beiu t e mentioned with them. Mr. DISRAELI apprehended that the simple case was this—the Hon. Member for Galway, supposing that the Honourable Member fsr Surrey had made certain statements without sufficient authority, thought that he had ected somewhat disorderly. It was a fair topic for the Honourable Member for Galway to reply to in a fair discussion with the Hon. Member far Surrey. The Hon. Member for Surrey might have made an indiscreet state ment—he gave no opinion upon that point; but as tar as he could form an opinion upon the matter, he was not disorderly. Mr. REYNOLDS said, in speaking to the point of order, as a Roman Catholic Member of that House, he had no objection whatever to the reading of any documents by the Honourable Member for Surrey, no matter what the contents might be, even if they were grossly insulting to his creed. But it was only fair and reasonable that the gentleman who reads them should state from what source they emanated. He thought that the Honourable Member was quoting from authentic documents, which were to bind him as a Ca tholic. —(Cries of " Order, order.") The CHAIRMAN said it was competent for the Hon. Member for Dublin to rise in his place to order, but be mutt excuse him fur saying that he could not see in what point the speech of the Hon. Member for Surrey was disorderly. Mr. DRUMMOND then resumed his speech. He said he had not the smallest intention of raising a dis cussion of that sort. The Hon. Member for Derby, in his speech, had drawn a distinction between the loyalty of the Roman Catholics in England and in Ireland. There was not much in that, one way or the other; but then the Hon. Member who answered him had made a large demand upon the credit that ought to be given to the loyalty of the Roman Catholics of Ireland, and be (Mr. Drummond) having these documents in his pocket, he could not resist the temptation of referring to them. It the opinions he had quoted were anything like loose assertions he would not have cared about them; but they were the well-considered expressions of a Roman Catholic newspaper. But that was not his only autho• rity: he had also another document, written by a Roman Catholic priest.—(.' Read, read," from the Irish Mem bers.) He was not going to read it. It was published in the MLitt by " my dear Lucas," the recognised autho rity of the Roman Catholic bishops. He would speak no further upon this point—ho was going to !peak upon the point immediately at issue—namely, whether this Bill was to apply to Ireland or ot. Ile believed th a t th e question would not rest the n re. He thought it was important not to permit them selves to be irritated to do what was unjust. It was foolish to suppose that there was any danger in Ireland to arise from the Popish bulls. As it was said by Lord Mansfield, " In times of danger weak men were induced to go beyond th e necessity of the case, in order to avert it." -- This country had been no doubt grossly insulted; that insult had been continued and reiterated day by day and from one end of the country to the other. What had been done to the Protestant people of this country had, however, not been done to Ireland. When the Noble Lord brought forward this measure, ho satisfied neither himt eh . (Mr. Drummond) nor those who were opposed to all le gis l at i on on the subject. But the Noble Lord said he would only do what he thought was necessary. Now the Papal aggression and the Papal insolence were confined to England alone. No change whatever was made by them with regard to Ireland. If the Govern ment had acted in accordance with his views they would not have extended this Bill to Ireland, as the Cathodes of that country did not really deserve to be dealt with by any measure of severity. The truth of the matter was this —the Government would not grapple with the great grievance, and that was the Irish Church. He was not going to help them out of it—he could not do it. But there was the pinching place. Unless they fairly met this difficulty they would still be pressed down with it. Let not the Government, from any provocation received in England, be tempted to carry into Ireland a measure which was unjust as far as that country was concerned. Mr. ANSTEY asked why the Government did not propose to extend the Bill to the colonies as well as to Ireland? Why not to the transmarine regions under the dominion of the British Crown as well as to the sier country? Th e P ope h ad attempted to take away from the Roman C at h o li cs i n England those rights which they laws of the had enjoyed under the pre-existing canon Church, sanctioned by acts of Parliament; rights of had e not cenamitted a similar aggression on the u r n i on which Irish Roman Catholics. Oa the same g the Noble Lord exempted the Episcopalians C atholics of Ire he ought to have exempted thhßhm i l a . h ro in Scotland, .1 When a Papal land from the operation of this n i3 it aggression was made in Ireland 1815,i_•ait),,andh priests r w i e a ss attemptt opposeds ufl ther . by Mr. O'Connell, the Catholic I Ire land; and Rome had to withdraw from independence Pope then made of interfering with of h had been circulates the Catholic Church in Ireland.—(Hear, hear.) li e re ferred to a document r amongst to the resc orfehlk, and not It persons t was ad the Catholic laity adve v i h se ic dressed to the Duke o signed it, because the English Roman Catholics were in the same averse to have their sentiments brought before the public. Cardinal Wiseman had fail e d object; and those who had since th en did so for the purpose of showing, put their names to , documents not their approval of the rescript, but their dislike of the scurrilous abuse that had been poured on their clergy and faith. lie denounced the late insolent aggres- Rowe, and, therefore, he pidirothvedt sion of the Court of of the first clause; but he at the same time decliteit: the Bill was totally inapplicable to Ireland.—(Near.) tie a The consequence of this legislation would be that it would give support in Ireland to the Primate, Dr. Cul len, and his small majority in the Synod of Thurles. As the Bill deserved to be made practicable he appealed to the Noble Lord to exclude Ireland la the Bt tl. Mr. WEC'eG PROiSER considered the Bill I to be to tally unjustifieble. Upon political grounds it was ob vious that Ireland ought to be excluded from the Bill. Mr. 1 ' oor - • 41) was o -, pos , ci to the extension of the Bill to Ireland. Lord J. RUSSELL had to say a very few words on this subject. He owned that it appeared to him to be impossible, if they were to proceed with this Bill, I,r the House not to include Ireland within its provisions.— (Hear, hear.) The prerogative of the Crown had been infringed. They must presume that it had been so, if they approved of this Bill. Th if the prerog of the Crow n h a d b een infringed, ten, hey could not ati say t ve hat the would prevent th a t being done in England which they would permit to be done in Ireland. If the inde pendence of the nation had been assailed, then they would not say they would prohibit it in England and permit it to be done without punishment in Ireland. It wag, in fact, impossible logically to defend this measure unless Ireland was included in this Bill.—(Hear.) It al) - peered to him that the sthoe of the arguments ot those who were opposed to th e Bill wen t not so much against his Bill, which merely extended, in a very tr ifling de gree, the provisio ns o f th e p resent l aw , as t h ey w ere di reeled against the e x i s ti ng l aw it se lf ; b ecause if it were right to allow Reiman Catholics to call themselves Arch bishops of Dublin, o r o f A rmag h, or o f C as hel, or Bishop of Limerick—if it were right to do that, then, in order to accomplish such an object, it would be neces_ . - • sary to repeal tee pro v i s i ons o f t h e A c t o f George IV —Mean) That Bill prohibited Roman Catholics from taking titles from places in which there were not now existing bishops of the Established Church. The ope ration of that part of the Bill was not a very great extension of that provi s io n w hi c h was already to be found in the statute book--naciely the Act of 10 Geo. IV. The whole of this argumen t, then, as regarded practice was not an argu men t aga i ns t including Ireland, but, it was an argument for the repeal of that which was of now the Jaw.—(Hear, h ea r.) H o n. Gentlemen did not 10 prove their case at all by asse rti ng that the Act had the e G o e n o t . ra l r V y .. w lt aa wa n a ot an pu A t n i t n o f i o n rc p e r . ovi li sio e na m o a f in w ta h m ic e h d always been respected. No w , he s a id that those who objected to the provisions o f th a t Act—the 10th G e . IV.—should not insist upon the amendment, but callfor o a repeal of that statute ; and if they did that, then t b whole question would be before them. As the ma tter stood, it was more a question to legislate upon than than the law stood as to the prohibition of the assnthe a . tion of titles. It was the prohibition of the aseumpdtio to further question of practice. The Bill went very little of the titles in Ireland the same as it was propose do with regard to England. They could not say that if a person went to Ireland, bringing in a reueript, asn e m__ ing, f or instance, t o be a Bishop of Galway, that might do so without any notice being taken ot it. bees it would be inconsistent to do that, the House could hardly omit Ireland.—(H ea r.) t to the that Mr. REYNOLDS sa id, w ith e v e ry' /Tepee judgment of th e N o bl e L or d , h e was b o und to say _ be had not g i ven even t h e sha d ow o f an argument for should W includin g I re l an d i n th i s Bill. The N o bl e Lord have imit ate d t h e con d uct of William e when he - , r of rected the authorities in Ireland before the slur lee that it d enjoy ail the rights and privileges a Church Limerick to respect the Catholic religion; the reign of Charles II.; that it should have half the_ revenues, and that even the Catholic gentry stir have Noble half their estates restored to them. He hoped t lies from the lion. and Learned Member for Yo i 9Kh ou l_ Lord would net take the character of the RomaneCat.hae:. Ho had strong doubts that he had even in re ,, if i i esr s , matters any communion with him.—(Cries of eane hear," and " Oh, oh.") Considering the lb that derings of th.e Hon. and Learned Gentleman House, he cereainly had no communion withGeim. ntle (Hear and laughter.) The Hon. and Learned hu. political men's mecnd entries had divorced him from all eeh w _.,. nion with there. —(Laughter, and cheers.) The s n t'', and Learned Gentleman said that he was Member for Catholic constituency. He (Mr. Reynolds) and now told the House that the Catholics who had sent the Hon. Gentleman here bad passed a vote of censure se _ . upon him for his conduct in connexion with the present Bill, and had not entrusted him with their petitions against the Bill.—(0h, oh, and laughter.) The Prt` tants of Youghal disowned him also—(oh, ob, and ate re newed laughter)• —he would not say that the Potesta denied of Yourghel despised him—(oh, oh)— because that would be unparliameneary—(Shouts Oh," and laughter) and he now gave the Hon. and Learned Gentleman notice& hat when a general election occurred he woulddt, e t again be seen in Youghal.—(oh, oh, and divide.) T h e Hon. th . e . Hon. and Learned Gentleman bad been weighed balance and fund wanting. The handwriting "7, upon the wall against him. and Youghal had him, as he (Mr. Reynolds) now disowned bite ,--( ` - ', oh, and ironical cheering.) The Honourable Gentleman had also said that he was a Catholic, and a sincere () L a e disowned tholic. He (Mir. Reynolds) hoped he was; but if were, he certainly exhibited vers. little gra titude towar ds the head o f t h at Church to whom he owed a double enm; Aliment, for the "Holy Father" had not only received him into th e bosom of the Ch urc h , b ut h a d co nferred th e honour of Itnigethood upon him, the Hon. Gentleman being a "K n i ght of St. tiregory of the Brazen Spur. , (Oh, oh, and roars of laughter.) The gra titude the Hon' Gentlema n s h owed the Pop e was to c a lumniate bin' , a nd to call him a tyrant; and he exhibited his gratitude to the English Catholics, to the zeal of some of whom hi !, conversion was du e —(L aughter) —by desiring that t he y should he coerced for their allegiance.—(Oh, oh.) What, were the Catholics of England to be blamed beca use they would n o t ta k e from their leader a religious of teat ki ud? No; and they were wise in their gener a , Lion —they knew whom they could trust; and they knew they could not trust the Hon. and Learned Gentleman. The Hon. Member for West Surrey (Mr, Drumelon i , d) , had spoken of the allegiance due to the PoPei t he had forgotten to say what sort of alleglanei that was --that it was a spiritual and not a temilt o ra' allegiance, and that he would be calumniating his ,va tholic fellow-subjects if he asserted that the spiritual al legiance which they bore to the Holy Father interfere d directly eXotio or indirectly with their firm, unshaken, an d affectionat e l oya l ty towards their Sovereign. They "`""f not ackn ow l edge the Queen to be the spiritual head 0- (tiClahtetehres Queen from. the was fritshhe the Church —that they tota ll y repudiated and denied.-- Mteemmpboerrasi)heaßd uof. t they thia d g i d r a b a e t l e i e n j e pire, and they were prepared to do that which their an cestors had done in asserting their allegiance even te . wards monarchs who persecuted them, sacrifice and to their blood and their property in vindication of her be . nour.—(Hear, hear.) His ereed taught him, that if the Pope himself , aided by any number of troops, were to dare to place a hostil e f oot upon any portion of her Ma jesty's dominions, th e C at h olics of England, Ireland and Scotland, would b e the first to me e t hi m i n t h e battle field, and to repel him.—(Hear, hear, and loud laughter.) Ah, he well un d erstood that ironical —he would not ca l l it insolent —sneer ot the Hon. Member for Yougbal• — ; (Oh, oh, laughter, and cries of " Divide.") If Irelan d were retained i n t h e Bill, he predicted that the Act would be a dead letter upon the statute-book, H e would not say what th e C at h olic bishops might do; but if (said m r. Reynolds) I were a Catholic bishop—(A laugn)r and I wish I was—(Roars f 1 c laughter) —I now give the Noble Lord notice that, before 2 4 hours had eialis e r, from thi s Bill becomi ng t h e law of the land, I woe! " incur its highest penalties.—(oh, oh, and divide.) Mr. ANteTEY said he would not reply to the person alities of the Member for Dublin—to thet Hon. Member he left the exclusive privilege of indulging in them, an d of being in the unenviable position of having more than any other Member contributed to lower the tone and character of the debates of that House.—(Cheers.) He denied emphatically that he had d , scribed the Pope as a " tyrant," or that he had been guilty of the bad taste of speaking of himself as a " sincere Catholic." Mr. J. O'CONNELL protested against any observa tion which had fallen from Mr. Anstey being taken as the expression of the opinion of the Irish people. With regard to the clause under discussion, he would not condescend to vote for the exclusion of his country from the operation of so miserable and contemptible a measure. Air. CAMPBELL then rose to address the Commit mitter, but was met with constant interruptions by cries of " Divide." He at once avowed himself unable to ad dress them.—(Cheers and laughter.) The question lay in a narrow compass —it emanated from the 24th Sec tion of the Act of 1829, which established a compact with the people of Ireland which they ought 'not to break. The Hon. Gentleman continued to address the House for some time amidst the mingled uproar and laughter of the House, which was most impatient for the division. The Committee divided,gwhen there appeared= — For Mr. S. Crawford's clause . 60 • Against it • Majority .., 255 • ••• Sir R. H. INGLIS then moved the folio " And whereas the Queen's Majesty, in right of her imperial Crown, iseinto all h er subjects, under God, the only lawful s our ce an d fountain as we ' ll of honour as of jurisdiction, and no foreign prince, potentate, or prelate bath in his own right any authority to confer within this realm, or yesther dominions of the Queen, upon any Of her Mejes subjects, or upon any other resident therein, any pre-eminence o r j urisd • iction in or over the said realm or dominions or a thereof:" along or over t h e people "And whereas it i t • notorious th at bath of late years taken up on the Bishop ofßome by territorial limits to define, himself to constitute, and ceses within this real certain new sees and (ha longing; and turtheril' end the dominions thereunto be also unto other sees , to appoint unto the said sees and law, entain persons already existing and recognised by thereby pretended as bishops of the same, and hath dui y to give to such persons authority, not ""' allmembers of the Church of Rome, but also over all the g leen ' s Christian subjects therein resident; and hath further assumed to • give to ce • rtain other per sons archiephcopal dignity and jurisdic tioa within her said Majesty's real and dominions: "And wh ereas such assumptions have no foundation in the law or custom of festly against all law, yet by negligence and sufferance of late years, such assumptions have gained allowance and countenance, to the great disparagement of her Ma jesty's imperial Crown and dignity, and to the weaken ins; and disheartening of the Protestant Reformed Churches of this realm, and to the discouragement of the Protestant faith in the land, and in all her Majesty's do minions: " And whereas certain rank and precedence ;bath in divers manners by statute of the realm, by letters pa or by anci en t u . p te r n es t, cr b i y pti w o a n r , r b an e etnunattached to different office s , ecelesider the sign manual, deal as well as civil, and to divers classes of persons within this realm, and also to particular persons during their natural lives, all such rank and pree,edence being • l es whereof the Crown, as the regulated by certain ru t fountain of honour, is the author, guardian, and keeper; and whereas no subject of this realm can confer any rank or pre eminence upon any other subject except to him delegated, rtYmitted by the custom royal gue e T t l ; u i t s h o r r e i of this realm to bear, without the special licence of the andthroungoht subjectheg aotietnh'se Crown, any title or dignity tendered to him by any fo reign prince, prelate, or potentate: " A n d whereas the rank and precedence of the arch bishops and bishops of the United Church of En and Ireland, and also th e use glandof titles appropriated by most ancient prescription to the same, are part of the rights and privileges of the saidiChurch, which the Kings and Queens who shall come to the Crown imperial of this realm are, on their accession, bound by oath to maintain: ~ And whereas, witho u t di sparagement to the said like rank United Church by funda menta l laws established, the , precedence, and titles cannot be imparted to the bishops and Clergy of any communion not so 'stab " And whereas all the ministers and servants of the Crown are required by law and bound in duty to ,serve , [We telieve that Mr. Kennedy received conditional Instructions to look into Jones's Sound, if he could do so without much delay to his voyage, but there is little hope that the Prince Albert will be able to accomplish this, as she will probably reach that spot before the tee oprm l , and will not of course wait. On every ac count, then, it is to be hoped that a Government steamer will be sent up to examine the cairn, and also to 9°n 3 municate. with Captain Austin's squadron. In mak ing mention of the Prince Albert, we would call the at tention of our readers to the subscription list published In o ur jsurnal yesterday, and earnestly entreat them to left subscribe to the renewed branch expedition which has our shores, and to save us from the stigma which _ attach to us in the eyes of all Europe, if we allow Lady t Franklin to'bear the expense.] , - ---E n' CITY PRISON, HOLLOWAY. This new building is constructed upon the radiating principle, having kur wings diverging fret:a one centre, with two other wings in front of the former—one of these wings is forjuvenilo offenders with schoolrooms at tached ; the other for females with work-rooms and laundry. The other four radiating wings constitute the male adult prison. These have large work-rooms at tached, and an apparatus for lifting water. The wings are 12 cells in length, or about 100 feet, and 3 stories high. The corridors are 16 feet wi(Th, and are open uP to th o arched ceiling, with galleries ing cells. T he cells are 13 feet by 7 lfeetead, fit to the upper ted u with water-clo sets, wash-hand basin, cupboard, table, p stool, &c•: th ese are warmed by means of hot water pipes laid under the aorridor floor, the air passing over them and through the fit:es, provided in the thickness of the wall, I? and eutering the cell over the door. The ventilation is , be effected by means of a shaft of 146 feet high, of feetder. toeby 40, and 43 feet to the ridge of the roof, with two e recesses for the females and juveniles, and will con' sittings for 380 isoners. The kitchen f is e o n f t i t ample iug ,flustisions, and prisoners. close to the base c the shaft, the steam and smell from the victuals will be readrty earried off. The well-house is to be fi tted with one of Me. Be s t em , , ci s eapman Iron b . ! s tic pump!, and to be worked like of a ntlding 30 ftot diameter. The whole ex tent 0- age neat the Camden -road is of Kentish ra,, with Caen stone dorfeetfregs.h The style is castellated Go thic. The sides wings are of black: the e . apel building and the back window s to the cells have Park spring stone ailla, with are brick Park whole of the parapets are coned with reveals. The eaenstone. Tito building has been erected km the design and under superintendence of Mr. Bunningthe City the able able chitect. Mr. Jay is the Contractor employed; Mr. Lawrie the clerk of Work& :'ho original estimate for the build ing was 92,2931.; but the committee considered that sum orders were given t e ast • too large, and It is expected .hat the prison will bps cas reduced to the pruning-knife was applied, and itlt down. The in the early part of next year. extent of 14,635/. ready for occupation Builder. - - - DR. KAHN'S ANATOMICAL .01USBum.—A mon g the many attractive e x hibitions with which L ondon aw abounds, we know of none more w orthy of a v i s i t than the beautiful Anatomical Museum of Dr. Kahn. On th e et sion when we visited the Museum, a few evenings a go , we were pleased to find the rooms thronged with visitor , all intl i tl il y listening to the i n t e resting explanation of t h e structure and functions of the human body given by the English medical gentleman attached to the museum. We, among the rest, must compliment the talented lecturer for the very lucid and able manner in which he treated the subject; it was highly instructive throughout, and the nume rous audience appeared greatly pleased with their visit to this attractive museum. A LADY AND 112 R DOG.—A lady in the western part of this county has attracted some local attention by the maxks of affection she has exhibited to the memory of a dead dog. A correspondent reports to us as follows : " The dog was of some ugly breed unknown to me, and died lately. A painter was brought from Edinburgh to take its likeness, fis , which he received the trifling sum of fifty guineas: A sculptor was brought from a distance to effect a headstone at the grave. Flowers and evergreens were ; planted round the tomb, and the whole was inclosed with a substantial railing. The epitaph on the grave -st one is Sa cred to the memory of Viper:"'—Perthshire Advertiser. It will be obvious that the importance of examining this cairn is enhanced by the fact that none was disco vered on Cape Riley, and thus it can hardly be over estimated. There is no doubt that it lies in Jones's Sound, long believed to lead directly into the sea north of the Parry Islands, by many dee me d to b e the Polar basin. And. from the circumstance that an open sea was beheld to the westward, we have every right to the assumption that the point in question lies at the entrance of Jones'a Sound into Wellington Channel, or rather, perhaps. we should say, at the junction of both with the Polar basin. The very existence of a cairn in this part is proof that beneath it lies intelligence of Sir John Franklin's expe dition, and its precise locality gives it an importance which may prove of inappreciable value. Let us, therefore, hope that the most effectual means will, without delay, be taken to secure to the searching squadron the benefit of the information to be obtained from this spot. A powerful steamer would effect the whole in four months, and in urging this we do but ad vocate a measure lately resolved upon by the Admiralty, though unhappily abandoned, as we are led to believe from private and adverse influences. It is a matter of fact that Jones's Sound opens later than Lancaster Sound. Captain Penny found its entrance barred by heavy bergs in the middle of August, last year; while in the previous season (1849), Captain Greville, in the Abram, perceived no obstruction in the month of September. One of our large steamers could with ease be dispatched before the beginning of August, which would give ample time for her passage. After the ex amination of the cairn, a communication with the search ibg squadron might be quickly effected, and her return at the end of the open season secured. We feel that the universal sympathy experienced in the fate of Sir John Franklin's gallant party will not be satisfied that a known deposit of information concerning them should be left unexamined, and that the friends of the missing party have a right to demand an immediate investigation of these most promising and important cir eurnstances. the Quen teilin The ( leave to Lord of Suppl not be a On th forma, Mr. E terferint Lord - Windov GE The the ciao Mr. I the sell( Lord The I A 3 No The be reps The amend! printed On t meesur pri • fib Co thl up time easy expl inte tiny 2