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One anomaly in the Bill, taken on the subject. He is then to appoint at least ten as it stood, was, that any clergyman might con days forward for taking the opinion of the inhabitants tract such a marriage though he might not he on the subject. It will then require the assent of two- compelled to solemnize it between other parties. A thirds of the rate-payers to justify the Act being put clergyman could not refuse to administer the rites of the into operation. He trusted that the Bill, as it was now Church to parties whose marriage the Church deemed framed, would meet the objections of his opponents. ineeituous, if the present clause were agreed to. Nay The_ question having been put, more, the Church, both of England and Scotland, must Colonel SIBTHORP said, although this Bill might be consider persons contracting such marriage as disquali considered to be a new one, as compared with the former, fled for receiving the oemmunion. By the 109th canon he felt bound to continue his opposition to it. These it was declared that the communion should not be ad were not times for spending money in the way proposed, ministered to persons guilty of incest ; and by another when it might be much better expended in providing canon, the 99th, marriages within the prohibited degrees food and employment for the people. When they had were declared to be incestuous. One objection to the done this, it was time enough to provide amusements and clause might be that it would introduce an anomalous recreation of the character to be provided for by this distinction between members of the Church of England Bill. Instead of endeavouring to afford them industrious and the members of other religious bodies. But such an and profitable employment, he supposed they would be anomaly was as nothing compared to those in the Bill. thinking of supplying the working classes with quoits, Another objection might be, that the amendment would peg -tops, and foot-ball. They should first teach the induce parties contracting such marriages to become people to read and write. What would be the use Dissenters. For his own part, he should say let such of these libraries to' those who could not read parties become Dissenters rather than continue proleised or write? He supposed that the Hon. Member and his members of a Church which considered them as guilty friends would soon be thinking of introducing the of incest —(Hear.) He thought they ought to go as far as performances of Punch for the amusement of the people. they could to relieve members of the Cnurch of England —(Laughter.) The Bill was wholly uncalled for. There and of the Church of Scotland who had contracted such were no petitions presented in favour of it. Instead of marriages from the effects which would follow the °p caning upon the unfortunate rate-payers to pay for these ration of the Bill as it stood. ,It ought not to he for amusements, he for one would be more disposed to put gotten that the Bill was one which would operate on the his hand in his pocket in order to enable them to enjoy whole community. There could be no greater fallacy them altogether free from taxation. The Hon. and than to argue that the Bill would only affect the parties Gallant Member concluded by moving that the further who contracted these marriages.—(Rear.) It would progress of the measure be postponed to that day six affect all those who did not wish to contract such mar months. riages in the altered feelings and relations it would pro- Mr. HUME thought the Honourable and Gallant duce towards sisters-in-law. It was ou these grounds Member could not have read this Bill, or he would that he now begged to propose the amendment of which not have opposed the measure on the grounds he had be had given notice.—(Cheers.) stated. The Bill did not propose to tax the people The question having been put, for these purposes without their full consent. Ile Mr. S. WORTLEY said he would not follow his Hon. agreed with the Honourable and Gallant Member that and Learned Friend into the argument which he bad it would be highly improper to pass a Bill at the pre. stated so ably to the Committee. He thought his Hon. sent time to increase the taxation of the people. If the and Learned Friend mistaken as to the legal effect of Hon. and Gallant Member had read the Bill with atten- the Bill. With regard to the amendment, he regarded tion, be was sure he would be as forward as any one in it as one for the extension of ecclesiastical authority.— support of it. (Flier.) He had never dreamt that his Hon. and Colonel SIBTHORP—Oh no. Learned Friend would propose an amendment, the effect Mr. HUME thought that if this Bill passed the Hon. of which would be to sanction a marriage of this kind and Gallant Member would be the first to put his h an d with reference to civil purposes, and at the same time ex in his pocket for the purpose of advancing 200/. for vie pose the parties to the censure of the Church courts, and establishment of one of these institutions in Lincoln. to doing penance ina white sheet. He thought his Learned There was no part of the civilised world in which these Friend had failed to show that the clergy were not at institutions were more wanted than in England. In the perfect liberty to exercise their discretion in the United States there were 10,000 Such institutions, solemnization of marriages if it were not against their What an advantage it would be for the poorer classes consciences. The whole jurisdiction of the ecclesiasti of this country to have these libraries to resort to, in- cal courts was for spiritual purposes; the present Act of stead of public-houses. He hoped that the Hon. and Parliament was solely fur temporal purposes. Gallant Member would not persevere in his opposition to The CHAIRMAN asked whether it was proposed to this measure. divide ? Alderman SIDNEY said there were great discrepan- Mr. R. PALMER intimated his intention to take cies in the Bill. He did not think that these institutions the sense of the House.—(Loud cries of " Divide.") would be as much encouraged as.the Hon. Member op- Sir R. H. INGLIS rose amid much noise and cries of posite supposed. They had a library and museum in " Divide," and " Withdraw." He maintained that his London which' was very little used by the people. There Hon. and Learned Friend did not propose to increase Was no provision in the Bill for retracing their steps if the ecclesiastical authority, but merely to leave it where the people had reason to regret the establishment of the it stood at the present moment. The allegation which then institutions. This, though nominally a small tax had been made that the opponents of the present Bill upon the people, would bec ome mos t ser i ous i n th e course wanted to sustain and ext en d ecc l es i ast i cal authority of years. was not founded upon justice or fact. It might as well Mr. HEALD thought it would be a great injustice to be called a question of free trade. In no respect was the Right - Hon. Member for Dumfries if, after the dis- the freedom of any man affected by the present eccle siastical law, except s o f ar as i t represented the will of position he had sho wn t o i mprove t h e Bill an d t o ren d er it perfect as possible, they should object to its going God. Again, he repeated that the opponents of the into Committee, present Bill did not seek to increase the ecclesiastical Colonel CHATTERTON asked whether it was in. power, but merely to have it left where it was. tended to make it applicable to Ireland? Mr. S. WORTLEY briefly explained.—(Divide.) Mr. EWART said it did not apply to Ireland, but he After a few word, from Sir F. THESIGER, who said understood that an Hon. Member had given notice of there was an inconsistency in the Bill with respect to his intention to introduce it into Ireland. the jurisdiction of the civil and ecclesiastical courts, Mr. STANFORD did not object to the principle of Mr. S. WORTLEY again briefly explained.— (Cries the Bill; but there was a great coneusion in some of the of " Divide, divide.") elausei between the titles of the burgesses and rate- Mr. COCKBURN said it would be a most mil. payers. There was a great difference between taking chievous course of legislation to pursue to array the the sense of the burgesses and the sense of the rate- ecclesiastical against the civil tribunals of the country.— payers. The former did not amount to one-fifth of the (Hear, hear.) The former did not stand so very high at latter. There was no provision is the present measure present in public estimation as to place them in opposi for the prevention of a continued agitation of this sub. lion to the civil tribunals.—(Hear, hear.) If the Bill jest, notwithstanding diet it had been repeatedly de- was a bad one, let it be thrown out at once; but he asked cided by the majority of the rate-payers that no such them not to introduce such a confusion in the jurispru institution should be established. This was a departure dente of the country as might be done by adopting th e from the principle of the former measure, which pro- proposition of' the Hon. Member for Plymouth, posed to enact, that if the question were once decided it Mr. OSWALD was understood to support the amend should not be again moved for a period of three years. merit. As far as Reading was concerned they had two literary Mr. P. WOOD said that it was observed the present institutions, and a library containing about 3,000 or Bill did not propose to take away the jurisdiction of the 4;000 volumes, which was accessible to all upon payment ecclesiastical courts. That was a reason why the pro of a very small subscription. For these reasons he would Position of the Hon. Member for Plymouth, to make the rote for the amendment, although as anxious for diffus- Bill consistent, ought to entertained. He was anxious to see the mode of pr ocee di ng a d opted i n the t celesiae ing information among s t th e p eo pl e as th e H un . M em b er for Dumfries. tical courts reformed, and he thought they had reason Mr. KERSHAW supported the Bill, on the ground to complain of the Government for not having carried that the people would derive great benefit from its adop- out those promises made a session or two ago in that Lion. He was prepared to support it in every stage. respect. No step had been taken about those courts, Mr. SPOONER did not consider it worth while to although it should be admitted that their practice was divide the House On this question. The sense of the in a most unsatisfactory state.—(Hear, hear, and cri e s Rouse had bern already twice declared in favour of the of " Divide.") Principle of this Bill. Mr. FORBES supported the amendment. Mr. FORBES said if his Hon. and Gallant Friend Mn COCKBURN said the proposed clause did not divided the House he would feel it to be his duty to sup- relate merely to ecclesiastical causes. All the subjects Port him. He was opposed to the principle of the Bill, of the realm contracting marriages which it was the and he-most say that the details were must objectionable. object of the Bill to reader legitimate would, by the Mr. WYLD was surprised that the agriculturists ghoul' proposed Clause, be liable to ecclesiastical censure on oppose this Bill, as it was well known that wherever cantracting such marriage after the passing of the Museums and public librariesswere established, and be- measure. Cain e accessible to the poorer. classes, public houses After a few words from Mr. GOULBURN and Mr. ceased to be frequented. As those institutions wer e LocznAnT, diffused crime diminished. Mr. W ORTLEY said that his intention was in the The House divided, when there appeared— fullest possible degree to preserve the discipline of the For thee amendment ... ... 21 Church of Scotland. Against it B7 Mr. LAW said, if he understood the Hon. and Majority ... —66 Learned Gentleman correctly, the Church of Scotland The House resolved itself into Committee, Mr. Ben- and the Free Church of Scotland would retain the power nee in the chair. of ecclesiastical censure. Did the Hon. and Learned Upon clause 1 being proposed, Gentleman mean to extend that power to the Church of Mr. BROTHERTON moved that the Chairman re- England? Port progress, in order that the discussion on the Mar- Mr. WORTLEY said, with one single exception. lieges Bill be preeeded with. every ecclesiastical censure now exercised by the Church The Committee divided, when there appeared— of Scotland and the United Churches of England and Fur the Motion... ... 68 Ireland would be preserved. Against it 40 Mr. ROUNDELL PALMER totally dissented from Majority —2B the construction put on the Bill by the Hon. and Learned The' hatrman reported progress. Gentleman. e EWART moved that the Bill be committed on The Committee then divided when there appeared— es. Wednesday next. For the amendment ... ... 103 Mr. LAW moved as an amendment that the Bill be Against it ... 145 committed that day six months. Majority.. ? ... —42 t - - Mr. HUME con s id ere d thi s a most ungrac i ous pro- The clause was then agreed to. eeedin g with respect to a Bill which had met with the Clauses 4 and 5 were also agreed to. . 4 Pproval of the House.. On clause 6 being proposed, Vie.:` - Mr. LAW said the Hon. Gentleman had himself voted Colonel CHAT.FERTON moved a proviso to the , estop the progress of the Bill.—(Hear, and laughter.) effect that nothing in the Act contained shall extend, - Sir. EL VERNEY, as one of the supporters of the Bill, or be construed to extend, to Ireland. Tne Honour be bad a tight to comptain of those who had charge able and Gallant Member continued to address the Of the Bills and who should have proceeded with it. Committee at some length in support of the motion; but The House then divid e d. The numbers were— his observations were totally i nau d i bl e i n the ga ll ery. For the amendment B5 Mr. FARRER moved that the Chairman should then IV. Against it 47 report progress and ask leave to sit again. He had not , Majority against tne amendment —3B hard a word of what had fallen from the Hon. and Gal- It was then agreed that the Bill should be re•com. /ant Colonel; and he thought it was time that they milted on W e d nes d a y next . should leave the unwhol some a t mosp h ere of the Howie MARRIAGES BILL. and retire to their beds.—(A laugh.) On the order of the day being re a d for going into Colonel SIBTHORP supported the motion that the l'ollunittee on this Bill petitions in its favour were pre- Chairman should then report progress. He believed that tnted by Mr. Peto. Mr. J. Ellis, Mr., Harris, Mr. S. Hon: Members did not know what was going on in the ',, w ortley, and Mr. C. Pennon; and against it by Mr. 13; House that evening, what they w ere oppos i ng, or what 1161)P • t hey wer e supporting. n, The House then went into Committee, and on clause Mr. J. S. WORTLEY entreated the House to treat , 'a being proposed. that question with the seriousness which .its importance % Mr. R. PALMER ros e , an d propose d as an amen d• d ese rv e d. •Ile would no t th en enter i nto any e l a b orate bent the insertion in line 18 Of the following words •-- answer to the speech of the Hon. and Genera Member , Nonehall any member of either of th e s aid Churches f Cork. He should, however, ob s erv e , th a t the objec ',,kctf Englanthand Scotland) who may hereaft:r contract dons - stated by the Hon. and Gallant Gentleman applied enaltlY such .marriage, exempted, by virtue of this Act, to the principle of the measure, and not merely to the le any-such spiritual or ecclesiastical censure or pu- proposal that Ireland should b e exem pt f rom i ts opera 4eeeeithtnent; nor shall any sentence 'eta restitution of cone' lion. HP had further to state, that the Archbishop of Leal rights be pronounced by any ecclesiastical court in' Dublin, Dr. Whately, the first ecclesiastical authority in y. sui t n r proceeding between the patties to any such Ireland, strongly approved of the Bill, and in one diocese : - 1 7 . 4 rriege." The Hon. and Learned Gentleman said that in that country eight beneficed clergymen had expressed bed now this Bill presented to them in an entirely a similar opinion upon the subject. t:ery Point of view, and consistently with seen,* which M r . F. MAULE • supporte d t h e mot i on for excluding to Pei been given by his Right honourable Friend (Mr. Ireland from the operation of the Bill. He believed that ortley), and which had been published in the Noncan- th . e great majority, n u t on ly o f th e P rotestants, but also ehseentist newspaper; a considerable endeavour had been o f the Roman Catholics of that c oun t r y, were d ec id edly I :, C- 1 4 , 449 with a certain degtee of success to obtain a opposed to the inea.nre. amount of " peculiar Dissenting support" for Mr. NAPIER said that both the Protestants and the Measure. Accordingly ' when his Right Honour. Rowan Catholics of Ireland wer e alm os t unan i mous i n fee Friend appli e d f o r leave to bring in his Bill at their disapproval of the Bill; and he certainly thought eonamencenaent of the session, he took new ground, that it would be most improper to force it on them r 6 tead of proposing it as a measure equally tied against their deep and settled convicti ons , lel,,.edifferently applicable to all her Majesty's subjects, Colonel THOMPSON said he very much doubted Id- with reference to the wants and circuinstaneeb. whether the opinion of the people, either of Ireland or th` At classes, he now, for the first time, stated of Scotland, wag so decidedly hostiitt to the measure as n ne 'lt he proposed it in a great measure on the some Hoe. Gentleman appeared to imagine. art of the - conscientious" opinions which were en- Mr. F. MA ULE said that a paid agent had been rain• f,:h eZ e tained by Dissenting b tdies, and expressly said that he bling up and down Scotland to get up petitions against len , e t' come to the conclusion that it would be wise to Ihe Bill, and had succeeded h in getting up one am o ug a t • n - ' ` ..it pro v i s i o n j which objection had been made, his constituents—(C eers and laughter)—but when he ;, i nt'2 to leave-the rules-and discipline of the Church per- attempted to get up a public meeting he could not find a li t l 3nuntouched by the Bill. The amendment be (Mr. respe c tabl e p e rson to take the chair.—(H ear , h ear. ) .4er) had to propose was intended to carry the Right Mr. SADLEIR believed it would be impossible to neetrable Gentleman's- profession into effect, for un- raise a ny f ee l ing i n f a vour of the Bill. O n no one su b. 4iptionably the clause proposed by the Right Honour- ject hal imperial legislation been more unfortunate than .. 44 , 37 Gentleman would be ineffectual for that ,purpose. on the subject or marriage. A large and influential por e e e king at the Bill as it' now stood he found that this' tion of the people consisted of Presbyterians, who viewed „ittleituted all the difference between it and the measure ' the Bill with abhorrence, and he had consulted several I 'lltYeare His Right Honourable Friend had adopted Roman Catholics, who expressed the greatest anxiety 4 k l ; ltt nencim ' ents -of which he ( Mr; Palmer) gave notice; that Irish Members should do all in their power to cone tal h le b were to the effect that nothing in the Act con- fine the operationnf the Bill to England.—(Hear, hear.) 'iced should be construed in any court to alter or affect The House ought to be careful not to force on the lsit doctrine of - either of the Established Churches, people of Ireland an alteration repugnant to their Ish t r,eby the degrees of consanguinity and affinity within social habit s , a b horrent to their religious convic t, 'elk marriages were 'prohibited were settled and do- dons, and which might lead to social disruption and -But beyond all doulanthis did no more than say convulsion.—(Hear.) • Ite, ui tne abstract doctrine of the Church upon the subject The O'GORMAN MAHON protested against the " %fi t t betaken to be altered. The next clause said accuracy of the s t a t ements made by the Hon. and , "en," clergyman or officer of either Church should be Learned Members for D u bli n and Carlow, and against 4,l4olised, to solemnize any marriage of this description, the conclusion which they had drawn from those state too; was of , some value, but his Right Honour- meats. Had there been any dissonance of opinion hie Friend had • qualified . the amendment contained in amongst the Catholic body, they would have comma tele Palmer's): provision' by the addition of an nicated their sentiments to the H ouse . H e called ou Q r tant proviso at the'end of th e c l a use, which found them not to interfere with th a t di scriminating power h l I" I 4L A Ce in his (Mr. Palinerte) proposition or the Bill of which had been so long and so wisely exercised by his jPit rt and which - proviso was in these terms—that Church. Of ititties to any such Marria ge s ho u ld no t by r e ason Mr. MONSELL said, every cl a s s i n I re l and, whether 14 Bill be subjected to cenanre er punishment by Roman Catholics, Presbyterians, or mem b ers of the Es en any ecclesiastical court; so th a t th e a d m i n i s t ra - t s bltshed Churcb, were opposed to th e Bill. T he best 'Ate t n"ver of the Church bad not been saved. The proof of this was to be found in the fact that the promo 'ltin'uerient which he (Mr. Palmer) now pr o p ose d wou ld t ors o f it, with ample pecuniary m e a ns a t t h e i r command, n „Clee u ''ect to the principle asserted by th e Ri g h t H on. an d w i t h em i ssar i es in every p art o f t h e ki ng d om, had 'Au "Inn and leave the rules and dis c ipli ne o f t h e e i t h er sent none to I r eland, or, if th ey h a d , t h e i r success tot - entirely untouched, and as to the Church of had been such that they had not obtained a single lett it jld, leave the doctrine and discipline of' that Church nature. That having been the case, the people of Ire ie 'wei g " 'rid inviolate. By the clause his Right Hon. land and Scotland, and a very large portion of the people ,‘„tv ei i7“ Proposed the discipline - of the Church was n o t o f E ng l an d b e i ng o pp ose d to it, he th oug h t t h ey oug h t to `offproposed with respect to clergymen solemnizing reject it altogether. Itekk_flarriages. With respect to all other cases of C o l one l THOMPSON (who rose amidst l ou d cr i es o f of the Church contracting those marriages, the Spoke") asked if it was contended that the Roman ..itto;rous4, of the Church wou ld b e interfered with and Catholic Church granted dispensations for sets which et destroyed by the operation of the Bill. If the wer e aga i nst t h e genera l mora l s an d genera l good of se ; graNi shoo ROE adopt his amendment they would clots ? If not, the Irish Catholics must ad m i t w h at ( Chinch owing to dmide in suite for as Chunk admitted under certain croliticns was a 1 e LONDON, subject upon which human wisdom and legislative dis eus,ion had a right to be heard. Mr. ANSTEY protested against the Hon. and Learned Member for the University of Dublin speaking in the name of the Roman Catholics of In-land—a superbtitioua and idolatrous body, with which he could have no con nexion whatever. Mr. NAPIER said he had many Roman Catholics amongst his conscientious supporters, and by these he had been requested to Oppose the Bill. Mr. MACGREGOR (who rose amidst a storm of impatience) said the religious and domestic sentiments of Scotland were opposed to the Bill. Colonel RAWDON urged upon the Committee the importance of assimilating the law in Ireland with that of the rest of the kingdom. Viscount CASTLEREAGH did not think that prin ciple ought to prevail against the unanimous feeling of the Irish people; and as far as he knew, Presbyterians, ammo Catholics, and what was called the Protestant Church of Ireland, were all decidedly against the pass ing of this Bill. Mr. FARIZER then withdrew his motion for reporting progress, and - • The Committee divided on Colonel Chatterton's mo tion, when there appeired— For the motion ... 114 Against it . 132 Majority agsiust the motion...-18 The Bill will then understood to pass through Com mittee, and the House resumed. Colonel CHATTERTON gave notice that ho would move the same thing on the third reading. Mr. ANSTEY begged to give notice that hr, on the contrary, would move on ae report, that the Act be extended to the colonies and all the dominions of her Majesty. Mr. S. WORTLEY said, as some discussion might be expected on the report, he would take a little time to consider on what day he would move the considera tion of it. THE NEW HOUSE. On the motion for going into Committee on the General Board of Health Bill, Mr. HUME begged to ask a question of the Hon. Member for Lancaster respeeting their accommodation in the new House. He wanted to know the meaning of the extraordinary illumination which he saw proceeding from the windows. It had given. him a headache—a thing which he had scarcely ever had in his life. He really protested against sitting any longer in that House until some better arrangements were made. Mr. GREENE rose to reply, when The SPEAKER said the Hon. Member for Mon trose was out of order. The question before the House was the order of the day. The Houle then went into Committee on the GENERAL BOARD OF HEALTH BILL. Mr. FORBES moved that the Chairman report pro gress, and the gallery was cleared, but no division took place, and the Bill passed through Committee. POST-OFFICE CLERKS. Mr. ANSTEY moved for a copy of the memorial from the clerks of the money order department ad dressed to the Postmaster-General, in September, 1849, and referred to in their petition which was presented on the 7th instant, and printed with the votes; and of any correspondence between them and the Postmaster-Ge neral on the subject of the said memorial. Mr. HAYTER said there was not the slightest objec tion on the part of the Post-office authorities to produce the memorial, but he did not think the House ought to form into a court of appeal with regard to the details of the management of the Post-office, and should leave the matter in the hands of the Government. Lord D. STUART supported the motion, believing that those parties w ere very muc h underpaid, and that their case was deserving the coneideration of that House. He hoped their grievances would be looked into by the heads of the department, and that they would obtain the redress they were entitled to. Mr. AGLIONBY hoped the House would be of opinion that thegion. Member for Youghal was entitled to the information he asked for. Sir G. GREY said the House ought to be very cau tious in admitting appeals of this sort; but on the under standing that the Hon. Member intended to found a motion on the subject, it was for the House to say whether the memorial was necessary for that purpose or not. Major BLACKALL observed that the House was very properly a House of appeal in all cases of grievance, and the present case was one which they might very fairly and properly entertain. - After some conversation, the House divided— For the motion ... 10 Against it „.. Majority ... The motion was accordingly lost. PRINCE EDWARD'S ISLAND. Mr. ADDERLEY moved "That the dispatches lately received from the Lieutenant-Governor of Prince Ed ward's Island be laid on the table of the House; also copies of correspondence which passed at the commence meet of the year between the House of Assembly of that colony and the Secretary of State for the Colonial De. pertinent." -54 Mr. HAWES said the pspers moved for would by no means convey the informatio n whi c h it was the in- tention of Earl Grey at the proper time to lay before the House on the subject. At the present time the produc tion of the papers would be attended with serious injury to the interests of the colony, and he could not accede to the motion. Mr. ADDERLEY said it would then be his duty to present the petitions which had reached him on the sub ject, and make a motion upon them. The motion was withdrawn. The other orders or the day were then disposed of, and the House ,adjourned at a Quarter before Two o'clock. HOUSE OF LORDS;- June 13. Their Lordships met at Five o'clock. PETITIONS. Lord MONTEAGLE presentcd a petition from bankers and merchants of Aberdeen, and a petition from Arbroath, complaining of the arrangements of the Aber deen Railway Company. Lord CAMPBELL presented a similar petition from Cupar, in the county of Fife. SMYTH-EASTERN RAILWAY. On the motion that the South Eastern Railway (Amendment of Acts, Power to raise Additional Capital) Bill be read a third time, Lord MONTEAGLE presented a petition from Mr. Josiah Wilson, a shareholder in the company, com plaining of certain malpractices on the part of the direc tors, and praying to be heard at the bar of the House against the present measure. The petitioner alleged that the directors had jobbed in their own shares with the funds of the company, and as the prayer of the peti tioner could not be acceded to, the Noble Lord proposed to insert a clause giving the Board of Trade power to appoint an auditor, should the majority of the proprie tors consent to that course. Lord BROUGHAM said he should certainly resist the proposal of his Noble Friend. Lord REDESDALE gave it as his opininion that to insert such a clause as that proposed by the Noble Lord would be contrary to the standing orders of the House. Lori MONTEAGLE insisted that they bad no right , to give this company power to raise 1,200.000/. more without taking some guaiantee that the money should not be applied to jobbing purposes. Lord REDESDALE said the insertion of the clause would be tantamount to throwing the Bill out altogether. Lord MONTEAGLE reminded their Lordships that two years ago Sir Robert Peel inserted a similar clause in the Bill of a railway company who had been guilty of similar mal-practices. He moved the adjournment of the debate. Lord BROUGHAM contended that there had been no jobbing in the instance complained of by the peti. 'inners. The transaction was au open and honourable. one, notwithstanding the money came out of the funds of the company, and it ultimately proved beneficial to the shareholders. Lord HATHERTON said the transaction in fact was supported by the shareholders themselves, who agreed to it in general meeting assembled. Ede GREY said, al , hough be approved of the spirit and intention of the clause, he thought it was too late to introduce it at this stage of the measure, and he must therefore resist it. After some further discussion the amendment was negttived, and the Bill was read a third time and passed. THE COURT OF CHANCERY (COUNTY PALA TINE OF LANCASTER) BILL. This Bill was read a third time and passed after a protest from Lord CAMPBELL, who considered the Bill wholly unnecessary. DELIVERY OF LETTERS ON THE SUNDAY. Lord BROUGHAM having alluded to the late ad dress of the House of Commons on the subject of the Post.3ffice—which was carried in a thin House by a very slight' majority—and to the reply to that address com municated by Lord John Russell to the Legislature, begged leave to ask her Majesty's Ministers whether letters, though they might not be sent out of the Post office on Sunday, might not be delivered on that day to those who applied at the Post-office for them between the hours of Divine service. The Earl of MINTO—No ; they are to be locked up in the box. Lord BROUGHAM—Then I hope that the people of England, and especially the merchants of Liverpool and other great towns, will learn in the next six months the consequences of this order. The Marquis of WESTMEATH presented a petition from the city of Exeter against the Irish Franchise Bill On the motion of the Martinis of LANSDOWNE the Sheriff of Westmorland Appointment Bill was read a second time. THE UNIVERSITIES. Lord MONTE AGLE then rose to move for copies of letters addressed by the First Lord of the Treasury to the Universities of Oxford tied of Cambridge on the Subject of the issue of a commission of inquiry; and copies of any resolutions or communications entered into or made on behalf of those Universities in relation to the same subject. He did not see that any objection could be made to, or that any inconvenience could arise from, their produelion• but, in moving for them, he thou g ht it necessary, in order to prevent any misconception, to state the, grounds on which he wished to bring them under their Lordships' consideration. He should be sorry to be understood as inferring that the Government, in advis • ing the issue of this commission, bad , been actuated by any ndverse feelings to the Universities. On the contrary, he believed they intended to pro mote the interests of those mai of learning, and the cause of education generally throughout this country. But while he gave them credit for such in tentions, he might be allowed to doubt whether the course taken by them at this time, and under present circumstances, was really calculated to promote that ob ject.—(Re Jr.) This measure originwed, purely and exclusively, in the dec4ioa ,or the, Government them selves, without any communication whatever with any university authority at Cambridge. ludeed, from the letter of his Illustrious Friend the Chancellor of that university, it appeared that he was entirely unaware of any intention of the issue of this commission until after the Government had declared their intention to Parlia ment; and it did not appear from the observations of the Noble and Gallant Duke the Chancellor of the Uni versity of Oxford, that he was at all aware of the inten tion entertained by the Government, It would throw a great difficulty in the way of working a commission of this kind, that those whose interests were the most affected should have been left entirely in the dark on the subject. In both the universities of late years a prudent, and efficient spirit of improvement had been manifested. He should deceive their Lordships if he were to say that that - spirit was represented by a numerical ma jority of the body of the Universities; but if those who had been active, both at Oxford and Cambridge, did not carry with them numerically a majority of the governing body, yet that body did carry with them so great a weight of character, so much respectability in point of university station, such high acquirements in the scale of literary distinction, that they had been able to obtain more than could have been anticipated. In Cambridge the progress of reform had been considerable, and he thought it only just to stet, what had been done, what was now in progress, and the principles on which the improvements had been effected, because he found that many persons who had discussed the question were either unacquainted with what had been done, or had shut their eyes to the filets. Complaints had been made that the course of study was too restricted and too con fined; that they had set aside the larger objects brought under consideration in the lectures of the professors, and confined themselves almost exclusively to those peculiar studies to which that University devoted its highest re wards—namely, mathematical studies. But in 1812 a cor responding system of honours was introduced connected with classical examinations. It was to a certain extent resisted, or viewed with a certain degree of disfavour. But be asked their Lordships, whether at this moment the honours of the classical tripos were not looked to with as much ambition and eagerness as were the honours connected with mathematical knowledge in former times. In the college appointments, in the whole college course of study, in the administration of rewards, those who took the highest honours obtained positions in the Univer sity. That system had taken root, and was, now from day to day, advancing. These improvements bad begun from the appointmen t o f his late Royal Highness the Duke of Gloucester as Chancellor of the University. The first prize he established was one for English com position. In 1848, Cambridge University opened an entirely new career to university distinction for all pupils of the University, by establishing two great courses for the moral and natural sciences, But it was said that nothing in the way of reform could be expected from the colleges. That be (Lord Monteagle) denied. Trinity College had reformed the whole of its statutes and consolidated all the amendments that had been made, in a natural way—that is to say, by the recom mendation of the Crown as visitor, and by the assent of the Crown to the reformation in the statutes of the foundation. The rival college of St. John had done the same. In Pembroke, Mr. Pitt'e college, the whole of the statutes had been revised; and they had also been revised in the same manner, that was, with the consent of the Crown, in Jesus ; while in Peterhouse certain restrictions had been removed by royal letter. In the University itself a revision of its own statutes had been under consideration for upwards of seven years; it was now nearly completed—it was hoped it would be ready this year; and then it would be? carried into effect unless the pressure contemplated by the com mission changed the purpose of its promoters. But the University had done:still more—it had made a mere for mality a reality, as in the case of a degree of medicine, for which a strict examination was now required in che mistry and natural science generally. It had also founded several prizes. He argued, therefore, that the commis sion was undertaken without any adequate appreciation of what was in progress in the University of Cambridge at least, and he would also add, without any perfect com prehension of the difficulty and delicacy of the task imposed upon it. There was a further fact which should be impressed on the House—those con cerned in these movements for improvement withia the University did not, he was sorry to nay, include the numerical majority. What then, he asked, would be the effect of the commission? Would it not add to their difficulty, and check the. march of improvement? He (Lord M.) did not for a moment mean to say that the whole question of university reform could be carried without the aid of Parliament; but how different would that aid be appreciated. when 'forced upon a reluctant body to what it would be when sought fir by themselves. The commission had no compulsory power of examina tion. A groat delusion prevailed as to the wealth of the Universities. As far as regardedtambridge, he could state thatit had not the means to enclose its botanical garden, or the money to pay for stationery laid on the table of the Senate house on a late occasion. So much for its wealth, But it was urged that the Universities were indebted to the public taxation. How. was the fact? The Chancellor of the Exchequer received every year some 3.000/. or 4,000/. for stamps on de grees; while the Government only gave about 8001. a-year as salaries to professors. These allegations did not, therefore, constitute a sufficient ground to issue a commission; and he earnestly entreated the Government not to change their minds, but to delay the issue until the appropriate time arrived for it, that was to say, when an application to that effect came from the Universities. Its issue at the present time would, he was satisfied, impede the progress of further improve ments, and retard rather than accelerate university re form. The Noble Lord then moved for the papers above enumerated. Tie Earl of CARLISLE, on the part of the Govern ment, had no objection to the production of the papers in question, and in doing so he confirmed the statement of his Noble Friend that neither his Noble Friend at the head of the Government, or any Member of the Govern ment as a body, in any steps which tbey contemplated, or had taken, or should take in respect to the commis sion on the Universitiesowere actuated by other than the most respectful feelings and the best intentions towards the learned bodies ; indeed, he should sadly belie his own sentiments, and be deeply ungrateful for sone of the happiest days of his life, if he was actuated by a contrary f ee li ng. Her llisjesty's Government were not less indisposed than he was himself to under value or ignore the many useful improvements in pro gress by the Universities, adopted, or in the course of adoption, and be hoped that the commission might not be without it use in recognising and calling attention to them, as well as in promoting them and encouraging those by whom they were premoted, the more especially as the Noble Lord had truly stated that many of these improvements were not effected without resistance, and that the party of progress was the party in a numerical minority. The expression of approval and sympathy on the part of competent persons without the Universi ties could not fail to give strength and aid to those who undertook the task of rational improvement within. He (Earl of Carlisle) knew that• the Universities were the subject of much unmerited censure; and he was also aware that it would be urged that the commission gave the stamp of her Majesty's Government to that censure. But that was a reason for inquiry all the more, because the more any misconception prevailed on a subject the more useful it was to let in the light of day on it. It was obvious to every one that the charters and statutes of the Universities—formed as they were, under the Ylantageneti and Tudors, anti modified only in the ti me of Laid — were not sufficient for modern times. Indeed, in some respects they were —at least some of tlaema-rendered obsolete by the change of manners as much as by the change of re ligion of the country, and could therefore only be dealt with in practice by an evasion. To divert a charter from its original purpose was, he admitted, a delicat e as well as a difficult task ; b ut i t seemed to him that the most useful part of the labours of the commission would be, in conjunction with the resident members of the Universities, to decide in what respect application should be made to the Legislature for those modi fications and alterations required by the changed circumstances of the times in the existing laws of those bodies. It had been urged that modifications might be made by those bodies themselves ; but it was obvious to every one that such a course would not sa ti s fy those persons who were opposed to the present constitution of the Universities. Whatever might be thought of the proceedings of the Government, how ever, they disclaimed any disrespect, ill-feeling, or slight towards the Universities. If any neglect appeared to have been shown to the Universities, or to their distin guished Chancellors, no one would regret it more than his Noble Friend at the head of the Government; at all events, those illustrious individuals who were at the head of both held such a high position in the eyes of the world as to make wilful disrespect to them utterly impossible. A commission had issued under a late Government to inquire into the condition of chapters and ecclesiastical dignities, and the Right Rev, and other distinguished persons appointed under it afforded in their names a to were ca appoint e d r a ter, wre s e r v on actuated e sufficient guarantee that no disrespect wh atever wet in tended. So with respect to the commissi on on t h e Uui versities. Whatever r n nr it, the Go ver nm e nt would take care that they were men lgti affectiong for the U n i versities, and the b w y tio a , besides most filial e their h tendency of whose objects should be to co- o p era t e w ith general character, h e the best and most enlightened men in these learned bodies. Earl POWIS complained that the commission had been issued,- not as a substantive measure , b ut as the supplement of a periodical motion in the other H ouse , the object of which was to &dant Dissenters to the go vernment of the Universities. The commission would interfere with property on a large scale as regarded the power of bequest, and the First Minister of the Crown was now about to destroy the arrangements of the en • cient donors, which the founders had sacrificed their property to create. The Noble Earl had alluded to the ecclesiastical commission issued by Sir R. Peel, but he could not have chosen a preceient more ju st l y nalculited to strike terror and create hostility in the Universities, for that commission had destroyed the property of the bishoprics and chapters, and it was 110 W intended to be followed up by a Bill to divert episcopal revenues to pa rochial purposes, thoisgh chapters were still allowed to hold pluralities. That was not the w ay to procure amity on the part of the Government towards toe Uni versities. _. Lord BROUGHAM agreed with his N o bl e Friend u w a h t o ru s e enpotkhelatbo supposition tbuto ne,t of hut thenot hiug could be more Issuing of the tom mission arising from want of r.-Spect or of kindly feeling towards the Universities.—(Hear.) Nevertheless,. hw t m o i l s i t i a s k N i ob b l u e t, his letter thought. the commission a very great error, a very great F us ri h e i n s d re ( a th so e p ri hl ik d e br o e f a vir st e a l ie in i g i l), which had been made public, and which their Lo r d s hi ps h a d probably .seen,, he need bardiy trouble the H ouse wi th his opinion, and argument, and protest. He felt bound to write that letter us the head of University College. London, though he acted entirely of his own accord, and without any communication with his Council, and pur posely avoided snaking them responsible by any previous communication. But he had another reason for writing it—the part he bad taken for 35 years in inquiries of NATAL TELLIGEN CE. The Ajax, 60, Captain Quinn, was to have sailed from Portsmouth on 'Wednesday evening for Cork, touching at Plymouth, but the strong westerly gale (which still blows) prevented her—she has orders to sail when the wind moderates. The Sprightly went out to her yesterday with some supernumeraries for Plymouth. The Hecate, steam-sloop, went out from Ports mouth to try her engines and machinery after re pairing, yesterday, but something being amiss she came in again, and will be again tried in a few days. The Elfin was brought on the graving .slip of Portsmouth on Wednesday, and came off again the same tide. Yesterday Major-General Lord Frederick Fitz clarence, and staff; with Colonel John Owen, pro ceeded to Cumberland Fort to inspect the Royal Marine Artillery, under Colonel Commandant Gib sane; the usual gun target, shell, and rocket practice was gone through. Colonel Gibsone and the officers of the corps entertained, at a splendid lunch, Lord Frederick Fitzclarence and staff, Colonel Owen, and a large party of officers. APPOINTMENTS. Clerk—Timothy Clinch, to the Fisgard. Lieutenant—George W. Towsey, to the Sealark. Midshipmen—Edward Tongue and Edward W. Dillon, to the Sealark. Second Master—Samuel Brallon, to the Illus trious. Naval Cadet—Edward Adeane , to the Phaeto n . THE EFFECT OF SHOT ANI) SHELL ON THE HULL OF IRON VESSELS. The first experiment for testing the effect of shoe and shell on the sides of iron vessels took place on 'Wednesday at Portsmouth, under the superintend ence of Captain Chads, on board the Excellent. The Commander in -Chief, Admiral the Hun. Sir Bladen Cape], Rear-Admiral Prescott, and a number of naval and military officers, were on board her. A large butt, being a copy of a section of the Simoom's main deck, had been made in the dockyard, representing the two sides of an iron vessel, each side of the strength and consistency of one of the large iron steam-ships. This butt was erected on the mud, at a distance of 460 yards from the Excel lent, and the practice took place at high water from guns of several calibre, and various charges of pow der, both shot anti shell, were fired. At intervals between the firing boats visited the butt to examine the effects of particular shot on the iron work. It was fuund that on the side that the shot entered a large and tolerably round hole was made in the iron plate, the circumference being much jagged and the edge turned inward. On the opposite side where the shot passed out the hole was larger and also jagged, the edge of the hole turned outwards, with occasionally some rivets started. Some of the shot on entering, and from striking against angles of th e i ron r ib s , were broken in pieces, the fragments passing out at the opposite side, making holes of various sizes and formations. Shells also appeared to have a destructive effect on the ironwork in creating splinters, and the pieces of shell passing' out through the plates at the opposite side, the off. side in all cases suffering most. Of course neither shot, aor shell, nor grape, nor canister, would lodge in iron vessels, as would be the case in wooden vessels. To test the effect of the splinters inside the vessel, a alight plank bulkhead had been run up between the iron sides of the butt. This was found entirely shattered, and shows clearly how dread fully the crew of an iron vessel would have suffered, more especially when it is considered that the splin ters from the jagged iron inflict the most dangerous description of wound, even a alight one predisposing the party hurt to tetanus or lock-jaw, and otherwise being most difficult to cure. From the experiments made yesterday, we conclude that iron vessels are not fit to cope with vessels of wood, neither are they fir to go against batteries, for it is now tolerably certain that the fatal effects of every shot received on beard would be quadrupled by the tendency of the iron work to splinter, fly off, and destroy everything in the immediate vicinity of the concussion, more espe cially when the ball itself is also likely to split and break to pieces likewise. The experiments were further tested to-day by Captain Chads, and instead of the plain bulkhead, canvas is stretched across, which will show the effect of the splinters and broken shot more effectually than boards. Shot and shell were both fired to-day, and Captain Chads will continue the test till he can make a satisfactory report. FRIDAY , EVENING, JUNE ,14, 1850. this descripti-u. But in the inquiries to which he had alluded the Universities were carefully exempted; be ' cause it was known that improvements were going on, and nothing was so much to be avoided as interfering with the course of them. It was said that the inqtyry then was compulsory, and this was to be voluntary: so much the worse. We should have one-sided information —(Hear)—those who were discontented with all that was done, and all that was not done, would come forward readily enough, while those who were attacked by these informers—the persons giving this information —would have no means of de eurling themselves. Their evidence would be, not themselves, but other persons, and, they had not the power of summoning any one. It was as if he were indicted for au offence, and the Crown had the power of summoning witnesses, but he had not. Then, too, there were parties who had taken oaths, which sew:hi not allow of their producing their' docu ments before such a voluntary commission. —(Hear, hoar) Therecore he (Lord Broughato) objected to this proce ding. He had been rather astonished te read the letter of the illustrious Prince to whom the Noble Lord had referred. He was the Chancellor of a univer.ity, and he (Lord Broughe.tn), for oom. deeply regretted that that illustrious Prince was placed by th.: mi.teken ze 11 of his friends in that false position ; and for this obvious reason, that the chancellor of a university ought to be a person wholly unconnected with the Crown, wholly in dependent of the Crown, because it might be hiihounden duty as Chancellor of the University to be in conflict with the Crown. His islghle and Illustrious friend (the Duke of Wellington) was unconn sated with the Cie. vu, and might well perform his duties as a chancellor; he was in no false position; Prince Albert was in a false position, because ho was connected with the Crown by certain ties, anti yet he was bound to stand up for the University against the Crown. The consequence was a very great unpopularity incurred by the libistri;)us Prince. And, by the way, he mistook the law of this country a little, when he said that a Royal ComaiiiSiOn spoke the sense of the Parliament. It was a very natu• ral mistake for those to fall into who lived in countries where the Legislature and the Sovereign were one and the same person. But the Royal Commission spoke the sense of the Crown, and in no way of the Parliament. With respect to what the Noble Earl had said, it would hardly be thought much comfort perhaps that the model upon which this commission was framed was the Chap ter Commission; that was not supposed to be very po pular with the cathedral bodies. He denied that the proceeding at all arose from a want of respect to the Uni versities; but was it from a deference to the prejudices or feelings of certain persons, whom the Noble Lord not obscurely adumbrated? For he said—" We must not leave it to the colleges to reform themselves, because that would not satisfy those who bad . strong prejudices against the colleges." Now that was not a reason for issuing a commission. The question was, whether it was right or wrong, not whether these pee would be satisfied or not.—(Hear, hear.) Just in the same way we were going to have the Post- office ar rangements altered, and no letters delivered in or sent out from any town on the Sunday; and so you might write your letter on the most important subject, about some bill of exchange falling due, or any other matter, and you might put it into the Post-office, but it would not leave the place till the Monday. The Saturday let ters might arrive on Sunday, but you must wait till Nionday to receive them; the letters that had hitherto 1, ft on Sunday would not go out at all, and you must wait till Tuesday to receive them; working a degree of inconvenience which would prove most hurtful to mer cantile men. But all this was done because there was a pressure from without, which must be yielded to. The Earl of CARLISLE would be sorry that an in ference should be drawn from any words of his which he had not intended to convey. When he referred to the commission relating to chapters, it was not his intention to indicate that the same results were likely to follow from this commission as followed from that.—(Hest, hear.) T heir revenues were tran,ferred, be it right or wrong, to other persons and purpose.. There were no others to whom it was proposed to trausfer the property of the Universities. Lord BROUGHAM was not sure of that. The Earl of CARLISLE disclaimed any such inten. tion. He only referred to the former commission for the purpose of showing that this proceeding was dictated by no want of respect.—(Hear, }lsar.) The Duke of WELLINGTON was happy to hear the explanation of the Noble Earl. He must confess ho was perfectly satisfied with what was stated in the first instance, en the understanding that the intention was to make choice of the persons who should compose this proposed commission on the principle on which the per sons were selected who composed the Ecclesiastical Com mission. —(Hear.) Lord BROUGHAM observed that if a commission was appointed, though it should consist of angels, this must inevitably follow—they must open their doors, and their ears, and their books of notes to receive the infor mation and all the accusations that any discontented per sons chose to ley before them ; nor could they su pp ress this. It must b e re p or t e d and printed, end laid before Parliament. The Duke of WELLINGTON entirely agreed with his Noble and Learned Friend (Lord Brougham) upon the ab,tract question of the appointment of a commis sion to iccilire into the Universities at all.—(flear, hear.) He (the Duke of Wellington) had stated his opinion upon that question, and he did not thick it necessary to state it again. That upon which he intended to express his satisfaction was the explanation of the Noble Earl respecting the choice of the members of the commis- lion..—(Dear, hear.) The Noble Lord himself, who had declared his intention of advising the appointment ..f this commission, had stated in his letter addressed t, the illustrious Prince and to himself, as the chancellors of the Universitt, s, the object to which the inquiries should be directed. lie (the Duke of Wellington) cer tainly did not derire that those inquiries should be made; he did not think those inquiries were necessary. But if we were to have a commission, he did desire that it should be composed in tho manner referred to by the Noble Earl. The motion was then agreed to. The Hunse srlj , urntql - at. Halt-past Seven o'clock. SPORTING IN TEI.L,IGF.INCE. AscoT RACES—Tuurisoay. Although the " clerk of the weather," to the great terror of the holiday folkv, seemed very much inclined in the early part of the day to give his fiat in favour of rain, he ultimately compromised the matter for two or three smart showers, which hardly served to lay the dust ou the road, and had no effect on the course, which in some parts was as hard as,bricks. To see the crowds of carriages and pedestrians, which kept arriving up to the Moment of starting for the first race, no ot‘e need have been under the slightest apprehension that the glories of the Ascot Cun Day were on the wane, as the assemblage equalled what we have observed on many former occasions. Still the knowledge that what has been well termed " the handsomest procession of the year," would not issue from the gates of Windsor Castle, and tints give her enthusiastic subjects their a multi peep at her Majesty, had undoubtedly the effect of keeping many away. Notwithstanding this drawback, every form and manner of man seemed present. down to the indigenous " Paddy," of Queen's Hounds notoriety, and Paddock, who jested at his scars in a bomb, and about the death of whose reremc antagonist, Bendigo, a very general rumour was afloat. All the " hemours of the rsteee" were in lull force; tumblers went throueh their eetraerdinary evolutions, and the sun-buret followers of Lady Moore Carew muttered their se.tal horoscopes to as many as chose to cross their hands with a bit of silver, with as much energy and mystery as ever. All the interest of the day was concentrated on the meeting of the Flying Dutchman und Ctineeeu, for the Empe ror's Plato. It will be remembered that in the last Houghton meeting L Stanley forwarded a challenge to Lord Eglitaton, to run him over the 'l'. M. M., the mare to carry Bst 101 b, and the horse Bst 21b. This Lord Eglinton declined, on the ground that he was not sure of a walk over in the Belvoir Stakes, which came off on the list day of that meeting, though it was said at the time, that if Lord Stanley would have consented to have his mare weighted at Set 131 b, his challenge would have been accepted. The present was the first chance they had of meeting since, which they did at a difference of 61b for the year, and we seldom remember so much general interest excited about any cup race. To the surprise of nearly all, it turned out a most hol low affair; Centzou, atter forcing the running from the Swiuley starting-post, not only finishing ten lengths bebiad the Dutchman, but being caught and cleverly beaten at the Stand by old Jericho. In both the Visitors' Plate and the St. James's Palace Stakes the winners merle strong running. The latter event was a very near thing with four out of the five, and much delight was experienced when Lord Exeter's number was hoisted on the telegraph, as his horses had been running all the week with very moderate success. The New Stakes produced a good field, and a fair day's rac ing was brought to a close by five o'clock. The Reyel Stand, and the Stewards' Room in the weighing stand, were full of elegantly-dressed women, and great numbers were congregated on the lawn in front of the Grand Stand, where, by the way, a better supply of seats would have been very acceptable. Of theprineipel male visitors we can furnish but a brief list:— • His Royal Highness Prince George of Cambridge. Doke of Rutland. Marquises—Exeter, Drogheda, and Downshire. Lords—Cardigan, Lonsdale, Howtb, Stanhope, Airlie, Besborough, Enfield, Villiers, Jersey, F. Fitzroy, G. Manners, C. Slanders, Clitden, Cantilupe, Canterbury, Stanley, Eglinton, Newport, Stradbroke, A. Lennox, Vivian, eke Vane, Dunkellin, Sefton, Osborne, W. Pow- lea, Wilton, Chesterfield, Exmouth, Ranelagh, and A. Fitzelarence. Barons—Rothschild, Osten, and Count Bathyany. Honourablee—Captain Somerset, Ceptain Boyle, Major Pitt, Captain Rous, H. Curzon, Col. Anson, H. Forrester, Fres. Villiers, Fredk. Villiers, Lawley, S. Herbert, and H. Baring. Sirs—H. Peyton, R. Pigott, H. Campbell, S. Spry, F. Petcock, G. Heathcote, G. Houston, G. Armitage, W. W. Wynne, and Baird. Generals— Wemysa, and Charritie. Colonels —We ndhatn. Peel, Vyse, Hall, Ferguson, Murray, Drummond, Knox, and Newton. Mejors—Needham, and Pearson. Captains—Lowther, Foster, Carleton, Mills, Archdall, Hervey, and Seymour. Messrs - -Shelley, S. Stanley, Bastard, Crawford, Des Vceax, Newtois, Batson, Greville, R. H. Neville, Gre gory, I.'. Williams, Milner, Williamson, Shafto, Wigram, Balfour, Etc., &c. The racing commenced at half-past one, and finished, lie we have before stated, at eve, time having been well observed, and the arrangements in all respects satis factory. The Windsor Forest Stakes, of. 50 soya, each, h ft; for three yrs old fillies, Bst 71b each; the winner of the herby, Oaks, Coronation Stakes, or 1.000 Guineas, to carry 51b extra. Old Mile. (3 Subs.) Duke of Richmond's Officious...(Flatman) walked over. ' Sweepstakes of 50 soya. each, h ft; for three yrs old colts. Bst 71b; fillies, Rst 31b; 41b and 61b allowoi, See. Swinloy Course. (25 Subs.) Mr. Greville'r Cariboo, Bat 31b Mr. Batson's Thistledown, 81 11b ..(Sly) 2 ,Ir. Etwall's B us h ranger, Bst Ilb (Marsen) 3 Lord Exete r ' s Cl e li a, 7st 13$ (Norman) 4 Colonel Pe e l' s L ong i nus, 81 31h (Regers) 5 Lord Exeter's Little Jack, Bst 3lb (Marlow) 6 Betting-6 to 4 agst Longinus -3 to 1 nest Cariboo— and 4 to 1 eech agst Thistledown and Bushranger. Cariboo took up the running at starting, and with a lead of a clear length, carried it on into the ad Mile, he was then joined by Little Jack, hut shook him off at the last turn, was ni , ver afterwards caught, and won easily by a length, half a length between second and thira; Clelia well up. Run in 2 ruin. 45 sec. The Visitors' Plate of 100 sevs., and 25 for the second horse, by subscription of 5 sera. each. Once round and a distance. (26 Subs.) Sir J. Ilawley's Fernhill, 53. re, Bst 4lb (Templeman) 1 Lord W. Powlett's Grve-and-Take, Set 10'b (Hiett) 2 Sir IL Booth's Retail, 4 ) rs, 310 Mr. Freeman's Impression, 3 yrs, 5at...... (T. Smith) 4 Major PILL'S Mary, 4 yrs, Est (Coillns) 5 .Betting-5 to 2 "apt Fernhill (t)-3 to 1 agst Imprer sioa-7 to 2 agar 'Retail—and 4 to 1 eget each of the others. Fernhill went away with a clear lead, which, followed by Mary to the Brick-kiln taro, and thence to tie straight-running, by Impression, he maintained to the distance; here Impression and Give-and-Take eleard with him, and they ran abreast for a few strides, Fern hill then resuming his lead, and won by a length, a length separating the second from the third. Run in 3 min. 55 sec. A piece of plate, value 500 soya., the gift of his Majesty the Emperor of all the Russias, added to a Sweep stakes of 20 soya. each; for three yrs olds, 61 101 b; four, Bstslb; five, 9st; six and aged, 9st 31b; mares and geldings allowed 31b; about two miles and a half. (14 Subs.) Lord E'glinton's The Flying Dutchman, 4 yre(Merlow) 1 Lord Lonsdsle's Jericho, aged (Rogers) 2 Lord Stanley's Cam zoo, 5 yrs (F. Butler) 3 Lord Exeter'e Little Jack, 3 yrs ............ (J. Mann) 4 Lord llowth's Peep-o'dav Boy, 6 yrs .....(A. Day) 5 Betting -7 to 4on Flyi ng Dutchman-2 to 1 agst Cant z , u—and 7 to 1 agst Peep•o'duy-Bov. Peep-o'dae-Boy male running, followed by Canezeu and Little Jack, the favourite next, and Jericho lest; they ran so, at a capital pace, to the 3winley Post, where the mare took a strung lead, which she retained to the last turn; here The Flvieg Dutchman, who had been drawing up from the Brick kiln turn, went up, quitted her in an instant, and won in the c•.•mmonest of canters by 8 lengths; Jericho, who came inside the distance beating the mare by two lengths. Run in 3 min..lo.ecs, The St. Jaznee'e Palace Sakes of 100 sore. such, h fr. three yrs-old; colts Sat 710., fillies, Bit 41b. Old Mile. (12 Subs.) Lord Exeier'e Nutcracker (Marlow) Hr. Payne's Sergius (Flatman) 2 Lord Orford's Zedoe (S. Rogers) 3 Mr. Bowes's filicklaton (F. Butler) 4 Duke of Retlend'e cby Mus, out of Virago (Boyce) 5 Betting-5 to 2 agst Virago colt-3 to 1 agst Mic kleton-3 to 1 agat Nutcracker-4 to 1 agst Zadoc -4 to I agat Stirgius. Nutcrsck-r took the lead at starting, and made slow running to the turn, where he was joined by Sergius, Zscloc, and Mickleton; a splendid race between the lot ended in favour of Nutcracker by a neck; a head between second and third, with Zsdoc very close up. Run in 1 min. 57 sec. The New Stakes of 10 aura. each, with 100 added; for two yrs old colts, Bst 71b ; filiies, Bst 31b; winners previous to starting of 100 soya , value, including the winner's own stake, to carry 51n extra. T.Y.C. (47 Subs.) Mr. Payne's Citadel (Flatman) 1 Mr. Cowley's Heart of Oak D. of Richmond's Buckhound (slb extra) (S. Mann) 3 Mr. Tarrencri'e Grosvenor (W. Day) 0 Sir J. Hawley's Merry Peal (Templenaee) 0 Mr. S. Herbert's cby Sir Hercules, out of Adele (Sly) (1 Lord H. Lennox's Turtle (Rogers) 0 Mr. Oliver's Sir Rowland Treechard (A... Day) 0 Mr. W. Stebbings' Knook Knoll (W hitehouse) 0 Lord Strathmore 's Faux Pas (J. Marlon) 0 Mr. Thompson's Jack Robinson (W, Abdale) 0 Betting-5 to 2 agst Citadel-3 to 1 agst Faux Pas 4to 1 each eget Merry Peal and Buckhound-5 to 1 eget Grosvenor—and 7to 1 agst any other. Knook Knoll, Heart-of-Oak, Merry Peal, Buckhound, Citadel, and the Adele colt, formed the front rank at starting, and ran together to the distance, where Citadel quittedtwo l ehnegrthhs. Ironorsesa in 1 min. 18 and homeran li ec s v . ery clever winner by • The Stand Plate of 70 soya. ; three yrs old, 7st 71b ; four, 9st ; five, 9st 810 ; six and aged, 9.1 12de ; mares and geldings allowed 31b ; horses catered to be soli for 4001 allowed 31b ; for 300/.. 71b ; for 2001., 121 b; for 1001., 121 b. Swinley Course. Mr. S. Herbert's Raduiphus, aged (200/0 Lord Exeter's Preslaw, 3 yrs (2001.)...(W. Hurlock) 2 Mr. Combe' s Trouncer, 6 yrs Ceptain Lowther's Wrstehdog, 6 yrs (100/.) (ot.era) 4 M. St. G eorge ' s Whi m co l t (2001.) ••• (Wakefield)Rbdalo) 0 0 Mr. Death' s L a dy Frances, 5 yrs (1000 vA Vlr. G. Crewe's ßelissima (h b), 3 rs (100 1 ) (1e 0w.4) 0 Mr. Cowley's Second Sight, 4 yrs (1001) (13,ekeray) 0 Mr. Stebbin gs ' s C oun t es s of Albemer e(100/.)(Hiett) 0 Betting -2 to 1 agst Preslaw-4 to 1 each ugat Rs ilrephus and Second Sight—and 5 to 1 agat any other. second and third. Run in 2 min. . . Won very cl e verly by two lengths—a .s length betwe en ST. LEGER BETTING. I 8 to 1 agst l'itsford. 5 to 2 agst 'Voltigeur 7 to 1 agst Clincher I The races com mence this day at one o'clock. Tito P A vILION AT BRIGIITON.—Mr. Sli g ht (clerk to the Commissioners) has negotiated a loa n o f 60,00 1. for thepurchase of the le estate. The l en d ers are the Bank of England, and the rate of interest 4 per cent.' As 5 50 n as the necessary legal steps for completing the loan have been taken the Palace ground will be thrown open to the public.—Brighton Gazette. Second Heat. Messrs. Chitty and Hereby, Oxford 1 Messrs. Rich and Hanbury, ditto Won easily. Final Heat. Messrs. Chitty and Hereby Messrs. Vaughan and Bengough It was a capital race, won by half a length. The seeond party claimed a foul, but it was disallowed. FOUR-OARED RACE. Gentlemen Amateurs. Lincoln College Club, Oxford 1 Messrs. Harris, 1; Craven, 2; Isles, 3; Ho - ward, stroke; Bunt % steerer. Christ Church Boat Club 0 Messrs. J. Nick, 1; Banbury, 2; Armand, 3; W. Rich, stroke ; Cot,ton steerer. It was a mos t animated close contest throughout, and won by only half a length. GRAND CHALLENGE Cup, for eight-oared boats. The Lincoln College Boat-club, Oxford, rowed over the course to claim. DISTRICT FOUR-OARED MATCH. The Hobo Club, Windsor and Eton Messrs. Webber, Crook, Jacobs, Pears*. Royal George Club, Bray ... Messrs. Middleton, Bedbury, Saunders, Druid. There was a third entered. It was a smart race all the way, arid won only by a length: The arrarnzements were altogesher very good. Mr. Reynolds, of Oxford University, officiated as umpire. Tilt; _HE COUNTRY MARKETS. BRISTOL, JUNE I3.—English Wheat, with fair supplies, sells freely at Is per quarter over previous prisee. Foreign in really good condition is in narrow compass, and prirae parcels of Polish and French are held for Is per quarter advance. At this day's market English new wheat fetched from 38s to 42s per imperial quarter; foreign, white, 42s to 44s per 4801bs ; ditto, red, extra fine qualities, 3Se to 425; ditto fine ditto, 38s to 39s ; ditto, ditto, ordinary ditto, 3.5 s 'to 36s Gd ; ditto, hard, 34s to 375. For grinding barley there is rather more inquiry. Eng lish matting fetched to day 23s to 26s per imperial quarter; ditto and foreign grinding, 18s to 21s per 4031 b. Oats of fine qualities were scarce, and fully maintained previous ratee. Devon and Welsh sold at 153 to 16s per imperial quarter ; Irish white, 16s 6d to 18s per 3201 b; ditto, black, 15s 6d to 16s per imperial quarter. Beans met a ~lull sale, but former rates wer• maintained. E ng li s h b rought from 24s to 27a 6d per imperial quarter ; foreign, 22s to 24s per 48(11b Flour, Envies second, sold at 27s to 293 per sack ; American, &e. sweet, : 4 .31 to 4s per barrel. The arrivals for the week are— Wheat, 379 quarters ; oats, 1, 95 quarters ; barley, 2,' 64 quarters ; flour, sacks. The average. fur the week are ;—Wheat, 4,s 2d; oats, 17; 9d ; barley, 19a Gd ; beans, 3 s 2d. IIIB.3IINUIIA M, Jt: NE 13. —At Gloucester and Worcester markets, bEt the 8,1), wheat was Cd to Is per quarter dearer ; but the trade ruled dull. Parley sold in retail parcels, f.'s rather more money. Oats held for fully as high prices. On beans the turn was in favour of the buyer. We bad few in quiries for peas. This week the sales reported in wheat are at previous currency, but the weather having been very fine, the trade hay been void of animation. Very little doing in barley. Same black oats have realised rather higher rates., beans neglected, but not lower. At this day's market there was a large supply of English wheat, and the trade ruled dull, at the currency of this day se'nnight. Grinding barley rather more inquired for. Not much doing in oats, their value is unaltered. Beans rather lower. We had more inquiry for peas. BOSTON, JUN= 12.—Wheat, red 35s to 39, Od, white 394 to 425, extra 445; barley 00s to 001 ; oats 12s to 163; beano, 23s to 283 ; peas Os to Os per quarter. LYNN, JUNE IL—Wheat 34s to 355, line 40s to 43x; barley Os to Os, fine Os to Os per qr. UPPINGIIAII, JUNE 12.—Wheat 37. to 41s 6d; barley 23s to 24s ; oats 16s to 19. ; beans 25s to 27s per quarter. Butter 6d to 7d per lb ; eggs 24 for Is. MELTON MOWIMAY, JUNE 11.—Wheat 38s Od to 41a; barley 23s to 26s ; oats 17s to 20. ; beans 26s to 30s per qr. Butter 8d to 9d per lb ; eggs 24 for Is. NEWARK, JUNE 12.—Wheat, white 44s to 465, extra '4Be, red 40s to 4 0 s, extra 4 , 3 s ; oats, feed 16s to 20; beans, 271 to 28s, extra 29a per qr • Saale and Bohemian malting barley 2 s to 2 ' s ad, Danish and Russian grinding 19s to 20s ; tares, feeding, 20, to 21s per qr ; linseed cake, English 616 s to 715 s per ton. GLASGOW, Juxz 12.—Coastw.se and from 'related, the supplies have continued light. From abroad we received about 3,043 quarters of wheat, 190 quart ers o' peas, 1,323 quarters of Indian corn, 386 barrels and 738 seeks of flour ; besides another cargo of sour from France, not )et reported. At Grangemouth, about 5 . ,'52 quarters of wheat, 375 garters of oats, and 144 quarters of peas, arrived from the Continent. There was not a large business tran,ac'ed during the week; yet there was a fair coo_ sumptive demand fur the leading articles of the trade at last Wednesday's currency. This day's market was thinly attended, Wheat and flour sold to a limited extest, 'without quotable change from last week's rates. Grinding barley brought rather better terms. Oats, oatmeal, and beans unaltered in value. Peas far grinding scarce, and the turn dearer. Indian corn 63 to Is lower the 2501 b. EDINBURGH GRAIN MAREFT, Juxr 12.—Wheat—Tbere were 618 qrs of wheat in the market to-day, being 26'? qrs mere than last week. - Prices were 6d do%n on the top, and lid open the average-33 qrs unsold. Barley—There were in to day's market 206 qrs barley, being ISO qrs more than last week. The top price was 6d down, and the average 117 d down 12.3 qre unsold Oats—The quantity of oats in the market was 476 qrs, being 70 qrs less than last week. The top price was srl down, and the average zd down -169 qrs unsold. Beans—The supply of beans was 21 qrs being 45 qrs less than last week. Prices were Is up on thet a p, and 2s 2d up on the average. 12 qrs unsold. Top of Wheat ... ... ... wilb. Ve 6 d , p Barley ... .. 57 15. 258 Od „ Oats ~. ... „.. .. 4 ;Vb. 2 10 " . „ Beans EDINBURGH CATTLZ MARKET, Jorrs 12.--Th.° number of of cattle was 431, or 126 less than last week. Topp 6 rice, ,s to 6o ; current, 7s to Os Od ; middling and inferior sorts, 51 6cl was . effected. per Dutch stone. At the close a good clearance was 2,169, The number of sheep and lambs thism i of best mutton, 6d ... • ... ... 64i1b. 31s 6d t__ or 17 3 more than last wee*. Top pr ice ddling to 0d per lb ; current, 5d to sius : t and inferior, 441 down to 1 1 s All sold. 15, to 181 a head, and CORY. JUNE 12. — to 40. L amb',. top, 21. ; e F u i r r r s e t n 12.—!.lour—First 9s tolls; thirds, 7s to 94 seconds, 1156 d to 124 6d ; 0 112 ms 6d to 131 ; extra 14e ; Indian corn 1404 to 152 s 6d per t on , meal lOs to 10s 6 i per cwt.. 36s to 40s; average ' / los per ton. Hay—Farm ers ßran 3/15s to 4 OJ; average 423 per ton. Straw—Farmers per cwt. Oatmeal 10s to lOs h &rlndian meal 7s Ed to 8c0d; whea t.. 3Bs; dealers 40s to 44, 2.5 s d too 0s Od per ton. Bread — ,Whesten loaf 6d t o 6ed; 3.5 sod ; average 2Ss ; dealers 00s Oct to 00. Od ; average 5d to bid per 41b. Fresh b u tt er , Sd te 9J per lb. - Eggs -4s bd to 4s 6d per hund re d . Coals— . N„port 14s, J duey 151; La n d ore 14 1; Best Need' L. , o h ou sehold loaf ,41n13s per ton. Tallow 40s Od t o 00 a per cwt. i s i ky, 25 o. p., 5s 6d per imperial gallon. Meat —Beef 4d to 4id ; mutton 5d to bid ; veal 441 to 5 d ; _pork 31d to Od ; . bacon 6d t o 7 d ; sausages bd per lb. Hops 13/ Os per cwt. Bang or s l ates 3/ 2s 6d to 31 Asper ton. Bark—Barbary 715 s to 815 s; Voiotia 141 tuo/; Fretsek 7151; Spanish 91 per ton. Fleece Wool 10s to 121 per stone. Hemp 3'4/ to (01 per ton. Fish— Scotch herrings 131 to 144 ; red ditto 15s to 20s per barrel ; Newfoundland 9/ Os to 101 per ton. Timber—Memel, 85s per ton; deals, first quality, 18e ; second quality, 16 s per 100. Hides—Market 144 to 20e; salted 15s to 21 s p er cwt ; calf skins 2}dto lid per lb. Potatoes, white 10d to lod ; Minions 14d to 15d; Guano— Peruvian, 111 10, ; lchaboe, 91 per ton ; Tar—ArehangeL 191 per barrel. [ADVERTISES] p 1%1%j —A certified Cure of Scrofula by Holloway's Ointrrit.nt and Pills.—The following certificate from M r - Al corn, of Jerry ' s Plains, New South Wales, will forwarded to P ro f essor H o ll oway by Mr. Piukey, c h em i st, o f the sam e place. '‘ This is to stertily that my daughter, aged seven years, was afflicted with scrofula for three years, and that, after she had been attended by several respectable practitiomers, without success, 1 was induced to trw Holloway's Ointment and Pills, which remedies in about three months completely cured her, and she is now in the best of health. This can toe verified by venous persons in this vi c i n i ty, w h ere I have re• Mei for twenty-two years. (Signed) R. Alcorn. Jan. 1, 1849." Sold by all Druggists, and at Professor Holloway's Establish ment, 244. Strand, London. ST. MAST, NEWINGTON.—CLOSE OF TUE POLL. —Yesterday, at live o'clock, the poll on the question of pull ing a vote of censure on the guardians finally closed, whey tl , e numbers were—For the amendment 214, against it 189; majority ior the guardians 21. AQUATTCS. ROYAL LONDON YACHT CLUB. The entries for the G.Lind C ,allerge Cup Match, ap pointed for the 19th instant, have closed, and are as follow: —Moor Park, IS tons, Brown—Whisper, 19 tons, Eveleigh—Phantom, 20 tons, S. Laura—Frolic, 12 tone, A. Cox—Alligator, 22 tuns, J. H. Leith—Rival, 10 tons, J. T. Holmes—Linnet, 10 tons, llollia Knox. Tho beautiful sailing of the Whisper in the Royal Thames Yacht matches last Neck, in which she was a winner, intakes her the favourite in the above. It will be a fine race, on a graduated scale, the distance extending from Blackwell to Gravesend and back. The Gem steamer is chartered to accompany the race. MAIDENHEAD REGATTA. The first regatta of Clilden, Maidenhead, and Cook ham, under the patronage of the nobility and gentry of the neighbourhood, and eonducted by a committee of the most influential re&idents, tuck place on Wednesday, and wtti west Itshi•lntatly and rintiv'ri - •usly attended. The prize were valuable, and the races, fifteen in number, air ided much gratitic,iton. WATEIODN : S PAIR OARS. First 11 , 14 t. Andrews find Wirier, Maddenbead Cook and Yi-nablas; thrrord... A gool r;ve,e, won by twu lengths. ..;B?eunii heft. Windsor and Jo-1. 1600 , Can:.;(,n aad EaF..ry, Et,ia A in,ilow Finis! ilva% ,lndrew and Wilder, Alsidenhz-ad ..... 1 Cannon Grid Eton The second pnir were t wamped t•hortly after the *tart. AMATEUR SCCLLERS' MAICII. First C. Clifford, London .... C. L. Vaughan,,Oxford , A good race for some distance, but won easily at last. S.cond Heat. J. Ergki ne Cl ar k e, Oxford ... W. Hope, O x f or d J. Erskin e Clarke, Oxford Final Heat. C. Cliffird, London A capital race throughout, won by half a len g th on l y . DISTRICT PAIR-OARED MATCH. Webber and Jacobs, Don C. W. and A. K. Grenfell, Cook and Plumber, Maidenhead . The winners took the lead shortly after the start, and kept it. WATERMEN'd FOUR-OARED MATCH. Oxford Cre w 1 CJok, Venables, West, Penn; Cook, steerer. Emmaney's Et on C rew Eminency, Cannon, Wirdsor, Joel. Kern Lister's Eton Crew 0 Kernpiter, C. Hill, G. Hill, W oo dh ouse. It was a beautiful race, all three being together for some distance. Then the winners went slightly in ad vance. The two others came in oar and oar. AMATEUR PAIR -OARED MATCH. First Heat. Vaughan and Bengough. Oxford Howard and Sherwood, London The latter pai r went off at a rattlin g p ace , but. were unable to maintain it, and their adversaries won by two two lengths.