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5 abject )n false I much tousing t fur ualities interval had course to take title of the mi ter the orious. st di - without for the o pass, e effec under e con- Hear.) taken 1 prin esman itholio , neral) Noble civil I else peo- near- tld be andi 'mall. n this they roved fd be and awe*, the all- Now Hon. d not sten mi in this tha • had what that this folio sken At- I no WAS ad ad ht he tet or . T erti _ l tY of the King, his crown, or regality , suc h a should be liable to the pains and W`lttes of pr s emunire, and by the 13th Elz , c. 2, it 4 phtlerovide , that if any parson or persons issued or th ts d or published any such writing or instrument, ti i n tleald he considered guilty of high treason. Nos the to I ° ol Vic., passed in 1846, repeated so much of the tte _oi Eliztiheth, as imposed the penalties and punish ,lllutrs therein mentioned; but then it said that, in all s te e h , rospeets, as to the issuing of bulls, the punish oie`e should remain the same. But then there was still ittl ßtattne of Richard the Second remaining. It was Nriced into Ireland in the reign of Henry the Se tel„' and teed in certain caies been put in force there, io euere could be no doubt that that Act was sulfieient 14 0 0 present any such bull or rescript bei.ng issued e th i soeuutey. It might then be asked, if there was 4, a law ia existence, what necessity was there for a N ; T l e• 0 a that question being put in that House, he s'iered tb e Noble Lord gave a most satisfactory au ,• said that, upon consulting the law officers of Frown, ti ley at once admitted that the law had been h t ng q ed by the recent rescript of the Pope , but in con nce of the law so infringed having slu mbered in tstute-book for so long a period without being 14 might be considered to put it into action now as 1113 of har:lship, and that feeling might nave caused Vrosecutf.on under the statute of Richard t he d to have failed. He at once a dmitted failn re in that respect would have been ii l Prejudi c ial, and therefore it was essential in some for other to revive this old statute, and to show by 6 8SiOn `o t,', Parliament that it was not a dead letter. i :e . l l the in ensure_ was first introduced there was no in this Bill whatever which negatived this point, was'c consequently suggested to the Noble Lord ig the law in the most unsatisfactory state. • oonsiaering the matter, he yielded so far to the estions his Hon. Friend the Member for Midhurat _adopt e d' a portion of his amendments, which now _ lituted tI es - first clause of the Bill. Having, however, 1 P adopted of portion of these amendments, he consie th e No ble Lord had placed himself in a position of ° Inconel' atency, and had made his law imperfect and 6 l ' il !aplete, That was at once seen by the acute mind 18 Right Hon. Friend the Member for the Univer lYi of Oxford (Mr. Gladstone), who had said that there k !mother rescript of the Pope previously issued, unibiting ti to Bishop of Cloyne from exercising autho jZa the diocese of Ross, and creating a new bishopric as. WI iat were they to do with that rescript? To at th e Solicitor-General replied that there could be no were a case arising on any other rescript than I°lle mentioned in this measure brought into a court l aw, no one could imagine that, with this before him, a judge would decide that it was tlitgal as ti he one declared in the Act. But supposing bi t were so, supposing any proceedings were taking as to tb e issuing of the rescript respecting the cre -41 of the d iocese of ROES, it would not be on this sta te, but upot t the statute of Richard the Second that t Would I ease to prosecute, and certainly, if there 'sold hav e % ePn a difficulty before the passing of this ratite, if it d lid pass, in bringing that Act of Richard Second in to operation, this restrictive statute of the able Lord vi 'mild form a still greater barrier to their n g so.—(B :ear.) And though it might possibly be that the judges would ultimately come to a right Bien npon the law as declared by the statute of Ri- Ard the Sec , mad, yet they would be grievously embar ed in the ( :nurse of the argument by the limited cha „, er of this particular enactment being directed against particura r rescript. It appeared to him, therefore, t though h is lion. and Learned Friend the Solicitor t'aeral wait Sight in his answers to the Right Hon. htleman tb e Member for the University of Oxford, in ring that tb n judges would declare the law, and would i d no difficulty in declaring it, yet he was not right in that by this declaratory enactment they t!ki be .g . aided to a right and u ndoubted , 'cities. No re the Solicitor-General had expressed intention is of the Government on the sub t• It was t heir intention that this declaratory enact eat, as it nc , w stood, should have no operation as re- Ned any pr eceedings that might be called for in Ire- Pd, with re: Ference to the rescript under which the AV of Roe Is was appointed. It was the intention of ?vernment, however, to denounce the establishment of bishopric of Ross, and that being so, his answer was , such were it a intention why not express it on the face the Bill, fe irly, openly, and directly? Why leave I '4 intention in doubt? He had no doubt that the Wale Lord hr AI come to a right decision on the subject; 4't if he limit ed the law in such a manner as to m ake it PPlicable onl, y to England , be must necessarily deliver over the other . part of the kingdom to the uncontrolled the o f t h e Pope. Therefore he felt satisfied that I t ! Nobl e Lori I had not expressed what he meant. — 'near.) It a ras matter of notoriety that after this re ▪Pt had beet a issued, and when an opportunity had 17 a u afforded to Rome of witnessing the excitement and d `lignation which it caused throughout the country, in I,B6ance of tha t feeling, a new rescript was issued by the The under w hich the Bishop of Ross was appointed. ea view of the whole question which was taken by a is t _enCh neWspaper, called L' Univers, which was under stood to be The organ of the Jesuits at Paris, completely proved the arrogance of the spirit under which these steps had been taken, and openly w arned the Noble Lord at the head of the Government the difficulties he would have to encoonter fts attempted to make the se es of these bisho p s sub ,Ziasive to the British sceptre. Now, was not th is throw '4l3 down the igauntlet of defiance to the Noble Lord?— haeel., hear.) It was suggested t hat the Noble Lord's eulties wduld be increased by this new aggression , bat b e believed the Noble Lord had a spirit that would :/_ereoene them, and was sincere in his intention to re :l, not only this, but any future aggression. Believing f „"tt, and understanding his opinions o n t he sub j ect, `° ll l having heard them so clearly expressed in the dis- L l ission before tbe Committee on Monday, he had no :esitation in saying that the Noble Lord would find it 'seem ar y to introduce into the clause those additions 1 1 1 1 114 aiteration.s taken from the Hon. Member for Mid ,,,llrst's clause, which he proposed, and whic h additions _, • alterettions wonld carry out the express views of ;r e Noble Lord, and wou ld make this Bill what they "'mired it should be—consistent, complete, and efficacious. Boa. The SOLICITOR - GEN ERAL said he thou g ht his isnd Learned Friend the Member for Abingdon .7" ut properly conceived the effect a nd sco p e of this ° f the He was right in saying that in conse q uence the Act of Richard the Second b ein g obsolete, it W as considered inexpedient to revive it; but that was sot the only reason. It was also because the penalties Posed by the statute were of a character which kvaa, not thought advisable to revive at the present Nothing could be more unwise than to go before Jury with'a statute which counsel for the defendants 9 1 8 resented as obsolete and tyrannica l. The intention W as ; s to make a public national declarat ion with res p ect to Set of violence and aggression on the part of a fo tißo poteatate, under colour of which certain sub j ects of t: Majesty hid assumed ecclesiastical tit l e s . His Hon. sad Learned Friend forgot that Go vernment wished to with the subject only by recital of the law upon it. ,L,,t,e recital in this Bill, as originally proposed, was ▪ t any attempt to establish, under a colour of Zlitho rity frosts the See of Rome or otherwise, such eat% tided seee as dioceses was illegal and vo id." It sa tl sought unadvisable, however, to have any enact rut w hatever, but the Honorable Member for Idht irst said that there was somethin g much more I,Letni and authorita tive in a public declaration , which ks e the refore preferr ed to a mere recital. He (the v.""ticittir-General) stated that in his mind the recital ,7 0 I ild have sill the effect of a declaration, and that the N ~l ara tory clause would go no further than the recital. ,? t only the Hon. Memb er for Midhurat, however, but Nies. parties `look the same view, and thought the age cation ought to be' met by a declaratory enactment. at being the case, he thought they had strictly carried ' ll ll the object which they ought to have in view in mak ml a declaration. He had already said , on p revious dis ' ~S e dons, that he conceived it would be a more dignified t ourso, rather than hunting down every bull and every t „st eript that the Pope might think fit to issue at an y pile, if they %were to deal with the principal rescript, un met• which the' sees of the Anglican Church were to be Lk/ ierseded. The Bill was now on a different footing. ch e bishopric. of Ross fell within the Act of 1829, as ~..the re was flour existing a see of tha t name in the United k%hmarch of El:l44nd and Ireland. So far from strength epis their position, it seemed to him that the psoposi lion ,of the Hen. and Leurned Gentleman opposite would weaken it much, by plunging the principal rescript knoiagst a mass of minor ones, whero it would be lost 'Watt of. An outrage of the grossest description had been committed upon them, and with that they had to deal. They had made their declaration respecting that tgression. Ilia Hon. and Learned Friend said he vrishe dto test the sincerity of the Government; but the ohi2oition would n ot take effect unde r the first clau se . Under the second, however, they would touch every per so n presuming to derive titles from such sources. To foillow the course of his Hon. and Learned Friend oppo site would only weaken the effect of the Bill, and for the t reason he should oppose it. aihe Earl of A RUNDEL and S U RREY referred to the legislatio n of recent y e ars with regard to bull s , to ;hew that the question of their legality in this country Vas placed in a different position now from that which it held under the old Acts of Richard and Elizabeth. M'. DISR A.E LI said that the difficulty in which the C omm itt e e were now placed appeared to him to have aria en in consequence of the Govern m ent taking the first Blau se of his Hon. and Learned Friend the M . ember fo Midhurat, and not adopting the preamble which he pro r Voseett because if the preamble were adopted be did not think there would be any necessity for the amendment stow proposed byhis Hon. and Learned Friend the Item iser for Abingdon. But, as he (Mr. Disraeli) did not despair of the Committee adopting on the proper occa sion the preamble proposed by his Hon. and Learned Prhend the Member for Midhurst, he trusted his Hon. and L e nened Friend the Member for Abingdon would pause be fore he divided the Committee upon an amendment which would consequently be unnecessary.—(Hear.) He con fer red he preferred the first clause as it now stood, be cai ire what he desired principally to see was that the ilit I should be made a retaliatory measure, and, if so, it out •ht to bear upon its face that it had been occasioned by t a curtain specified act which had been done by a fo eeig a potentate, and, in his opinion, this effect would be mate rially . diminished by the amendment now proposed. Then , again, the objection that the case of Ireland was not in eluded in the first clause as it now stood would be meet la, • the adoption of the amendment of which his Hon. sand Leorned Friend the Member for Midhurst had given !notice, ,to insert the words " United Kingdom" in the at coed clause. He was rather disposed, therefore, not to disturb the first clause, in the hope that the amendments to which he had referred, and which would make it per tee tly apposite, would subsequently be adopted. With refs +rence to the case of the Bishop of Ross, he was cer tain ly under the impression that it was sufficiently met by the Emencipation Act, as stated wh by the olicitor- Geri eral, He only wished to know y, in t S hat case, the 1 3ishop of Ross had not been proceeded against by tar ...tdajesty's Government.—(Hear.) THE SUN, LOND►ffN, Mr. ROEBUCK said that the Hon. Member for Buckinghamshire was under a alight mistake in sup posing that the preamble had anything to do with the Bill, because, in point of fact, the julges would construe the Bill without reference to the preamble. They would consider the preamble as nothing, and look only to the language of the claus=s.—(llea.r.) Ha confessed he thought the Hon. and Learned Member fel. Abingdon hail really taken the only congruous view of the sub ject; but he dissented from him in thinking that there was any necessity for adopting the course which he recommended, as well as differed from bim in his view of the law. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman had referred to the statute of Richard 11. Now, what was that statute? It was in reality a law to protect the King's power, which was at that time really assailed. Then the reason why the Act of the Ist of Elizabeth was passed was because a previous Act had been parsed un der Pailip and Mary repealing those provisions against the See of Rime, and thereby giving not only spiritual but ecclesiastical and civil jurisdiction to the Pope in this country. But was that the case now in this country? No; they were here completely free from all such domination; and a declaration by the Pope was merely a declaration by an individual, and had no more force by law tnan a declaration proceeding from the Wesleyan Methodists. Therefore, the giving any pre-eminence to the declaration of the Pope in these times was treating it in a manner wholly impolitic. The power of the Pope now in this cauntry was merely a moral and mental power, and was not enforced by any legal authority. He asserted that the present clause was either useless, as being superseded by the second, or it went further than it pretended.—(hear, hear.) If he recollected aright, the present Master of the Rolls had on a former occasion drawn a wide distinction between a person call ing himself bishop of a district and a person who described himself as bishop , exercising functions within a district. Now, he wanted to know whether, if the pre sent Bill passed with its preamble, any bishop appointed by the Pope of Rome, and calling himself Bishop of Melipotamus, or Bishop of Siga, or by any each title, and exercising episcopal functions in any part of this king dom, would not be acting illegally? Was that the mean ing of the Noble Lord at the head of the Government? If not, the present clause was useless; and he should like the Attorney-General to explain the use of it, and the meaning of the Government. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that while Le was most anxious to offer any explanation it was in his power to give on any point, he owned to some reluctance to answer questions put by the Hon. and Learned Gen tleman; because, not having the slightest wish to give offence, yet, if he questioned the Hon. and Learned Gentleman's law, the Hon. and Learned Gentleman was angry with him, though the Hon. and Learned Gentle , man might be assured he could not produce the same effect upon him (the Attorney-General). The Hon. and Learned Gentleman was quite as wrong in respect to the present clause as in respect to the question he put at an early part of the evening. The first and second clause had reference to the assumption of ecclesiastical titles with respect to sees carved out within this kingdom; and the Hon. and Learned Gentleman put a question re specting a Bishop of Melipotamus exercising jurisdiction within a certain diocese in this country. That case would neither come within the preamble nor the clause, because it would not be an assumption of territorial title in this kingdom, He was entirely of opinion, according to the original view of the Government, that the present clause did not carry the provisions of the Bill further than the recital, and the reason the Government adopted the clause was because, while it took nothing from the efficiency of the Bill, it, in the judgment of the Hon. and Learned Member for Midhurst and others, contained a more solemn and emphatic declaration of the sense of Parliament, and removed all doubt and ambiguity, if any could exist, as to what was the law of the land, So long as Roman Catholics exercised episcopal functions among their own community, without assuming titles de rived from territory within this kingdom, neither the present Bill nor the 10th of George IV. would at all affect them. Mr. ROEBUCK asked whether he was to understand that the Pope might issue rescripts really and truly di viding out England, if he only called his bishops by the titles of Melipotamus and Siga? He might thereby in reality make them bishops of dioceses, and give them en tire synodical action, and yet the present Bill would not touch them. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said, that the Hon. and Learned Gentleman had assumed that Roman Ca tholic bishops with such titles as he had alluded to, of Melipotamus and Siga, &c., were capable of carrying out synodical action. But the Hon. Gentleman should bear in mind that the Archbishop of Westminster, as he falsely called himself, expressly justified the recent act of the Pope, on the ground that an episcopacy with ec clesiastical titles derived from sees within this realm was necessary for synodical action.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. MONSELL wished to be informed how this recent act of the Pope had interfered with the temporalities of the State, and the regality of the Crown. The Roman Catholics never claimed anything more than that they should govern themselves in spiritual matters as they thought best.—(Hear, hear.) How would they like Cardinal Wiseman to judge for them? Then, if the Roman Catholics stood upon the same footing with them, was not the case precisely parallel? Lord J. RUSSELL thought the Hon. Gentleman's statement was more fitted for the second reading, of the Bill than applicable to any amendment on the present clause. With respect to the Wesleyan body, he bad never heard that the Wesleyan Conference had pretended to govern any other but the members belonging to their own community, or had ever presumed to declare that all Christians were bound to obey them, and that Ro man Catholics must submit to them.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. MONSELL called upon the Attorney-General to answer the question he had put in reference to the ope ration of the present Bill on the law in Ireland. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that the same question had been asked and answered on the second reading of the Bill. He apprehended that the Bill would have the effect of stopping synodical action in this way — Mr. MONSELL wished the Hon. and Learned Gen tleman to reconcile the two statements, that this Bill would have the effect of preventing synodical action in England, and that it would in no degree alter the law in Ireland as existing since the Emancipation Act. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that the Eman cipation Act already prevented synodical action, because it contained a provision specially relating to the assump tion of titles of existing sees. He might be told that Roman Catholic Bishops in Ireland assumed those titles notwithstanding; but it was upon that evasion of the law that they grounded the possibility of having synodical action. All he said was that the present Bill would carry the law no further than as it existed at present in Ireland in this respect, for the assumption on the part of the Roman Catholics of titles of existing sees, and synodical action as a consequence thereof, were already illegal. Mr. M'CULLAGII said that if this Bill did no more than the Act of 1829, the Synod of Thurles was illegal. Why then had the Government not done anything to prohibit so flagrant a breach of the law as was committed by the holding of the Synod of Thurles. Sir H. WILLOUGHBY urged the withdrawal of this amendment. Mr. NAPIER wished, by these discussions, to get at the very spirit of the Constitution. He did not wish to take from the Roman Catholics one iota of the rights they at present possessed, but he would resist to the ut most any aggressions upon the rights and liberties of the Crown and people of this country. Mi. ROEBUCK thought that the Government was to blame, and Lord John Russell above all, for leading the people to believe that they might meet in synod in Ireland without invading the law, and if not with the sanction, at least with no opposition from the Govern ment. nieel in legal clecumente, arid actually inserted in Acts of Parliament ? Sir G. GREY said that the Hon. and Learned Gen tleman had now changed the issue. He admitted that toe Government iii Ireland had given precedence to the Catholic hierarchy, but they were not the first to take this course, for the Government before them had shown them the example. Ile would ask what law existed which prevented them addressing a Roman Catholic bishop as " your Grace," and a Roman Catholic bishop as " my Lord?" Sir F. THESIGEft thought it might be convenient to the Committee if he stated the precise course which he intended to pursue. He bad been requested by the Hon. Member for Buckinghamshire and toe Hon. Member for Evesham to withdraw his amendment, but having well deliberated on the course he ought to pursue, and not having heard one real objection to his proposition, be felt, in justice to himself, he was bound to persevere in it. If hi, received any assurance that the Government would adopt the whole of the preamble proposed by the Hon. and Learned Member for Midhurst, be would not have thought it necessary to bring forward his amend ment. Suppose he withdrew his amendment, and that the Government clause was carried without any amend ment at all, his object would not only be defeated, but the Government Bill would remain incomplete and in consistent. He felt that his own character required him to do that which he thought was absolutely necessary to make the Bill complete, and he therefore could not consent to withdraw his amendment. Lord J. RUSSELL said, as the Right Hon. Gentle man had declared it to be his intention to press his amendment, he trusted that the Committee would pro ceed to discuss that amendment, and avoid going into the general question of the Bill, or various other ques tion which did not properly come under discussion at that stage of the measure. He was so far satisfied with the arguments used by the Hon. and Learned Gentle man the Solicitor-General immediately after the Hon. and Learned Gentleman opposite had sat down, that he was contented to abide by them. It was said that the original Bill did not point as far as it was desirable it should go; and considering that there was some force in that argument they had altered the preamble to meet that objection. If, however, they acceded to the amend ment of the Hon. and Learned Member for Abingdon, he thought that they would take away the force and strength it was intended that the Bill should have. It was a Bill framed for the purpose of declaring a parti cular rescript of the Pope to be illegal, and of pro hibiting, under a certain penalty, the assumption of certain titles which were founded upon such rescript. Mr. ANSTEY declared, as a lawyer, that if the amendment of the Hon. and Learned Member for Abing don were passed, it would be incompetent for the Roman Catholic heirarchy in this kingdom to carry on any ecclesiastical organisation whatever. Although he en tertained strong objections to the preamble of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman the Member for Midhurst, he thought that the Government would have done well if they had borrowed a portion of that preamble and made it a preface to their first clause. He was perfectly in different to the opinion of any one in that House or out of that House—(Cries of " Hear.") But so far from opposing the first clause, he was determined to vote for it.—(lronical cheers from the Catholic Members.) He denied that this was a step of retrogression on the part of the Government, on the contrary, he con sidered it as a step in advance in the way of civil and religious liberty.—(Hear, hear.) By such legisla tion as this, the Government defined and recognised the lawful status of the Roman Catholic Church, and showed what was legal and illegal in the Roman Catho lic question. The Government were acting in a Catholic spirit by such legislation—they were acting in the spirit of the enactment of Richard the Second, and of the 30th of Edward the Third, and not on that of the Act of Elizabeth. If the Legislature were prevented from proceeding further in their present course, it would be in consequence of the conduct of the Roman Catholic Members, who had shown that they were too much go verned by their faith and too little by their impartiality and their duties as loyal subjects of the Queen. In speaking thus, he felt that he was representing the opi nions of hundreds of thousands of Roman Catholics in that country, who, he regretted to say, had not the courage to come forward in their own proper persons to support those statements which be now made in their name and as their deputy.—(lronical cheers from the Catholic Members.) He would refer the Hon. Member for Tipperary (Mr. Scully), who laughed at what he had been saying, to the numerous petitions and memorials that had been addressed to the Court of Rome from Ro man Catholics of this country, come of which had found their way into the public newspapera. He would vote against this Bill being extended to Ireland, and against the Hon. and Learned Member for Abingdon's amend ment; but, as he said before, he would vote in favour of the first clause. Mr. WALPOLE thought that any one who considered the amendments which he proposed in the clause would see how carefully he bad worded them, so as to confine himself to the specific offence with which they bad to deal. The specific offence was the brief or rescript of the Pope, which conferred not merely certain titles upon the Roman Catholic bishops, but partitioned out this kingdom and interfered with the jurisdiction of the bishops of the Established Church. That was a grave offence, and one which he thought should be declared so in the preamble. He then proceeded in his preamble, after reciting such offence, to declare that the confer ring of such titles was a usurpation and encroachment. He took, then, the two recitals in his preamble as a key to what be proposed to enact by his first clause. He had avoided the introduction of any words which by possi bility migh t interfere with the purely religions or spiritual functions of the Church. He was, therefore, opposed to the amendment of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman the Member for Abingdon, as he thought it very unadvisable to go beyond the mention of the specific offence which had given rise to the Bill. In respect to Ireland being included in the Bill there could be no mistake about the matter, for either this was an Imperial or political ques tion or it was nothing. He could not consent to exclude Ireland—at the same time he did not think it necessary to drag it in unless the Pope did the same there that he bad done in England. He would, therefore, suggest to the Honourable and Learned Member for Abingdon to withdraw his amendment, and to allow them to proceed to the consideration of the first clause as it stood. Mr. SADLEIR said that though it might be desirable to hear the opinions of able lawyers upon the question it was most important to restrain such persons as the Hon. and Learned Member for Youghal, who, in his amiable impetuosity, had the temerity to repeat a very stale and hacknied allegation. It had been often said and pub lished in newspapers that this establishment of the hie rarchy in England was a needless ;and a wanton act on the part of the Pope with a desire to disturb that peace and order which had reigned in this kingdom. He put it to the Committee whether the assertion of the Hon. and Learned Member was entitled to more credence than that of the declaration signed by Lord Shrewsbury and a vast number of the laity? They declared that the new penal law aimed at their bishops was an attack upon themselves. He mentioned the names of several of the Catholic aristocracy which were affixed to the address. Mr. HENLEY considered the amendment proposed by the Hon and Learned Member for Abingdon placed the Committee in difficulty. Ho suggested that it should be postponed until they knew what the decision of the Committee might be on the amendment of the Hon. and Learned Member for Midhurst. Sir F. THESIGER was willing to take his amend ment in the way the most convenient for the Committee. On the understanding that he might bring forward his amendment afterwards, he was willing to withdraw it for the present. Mr. KEOGH said the discussion that had occurred showed that his proposition of taking the preamble first was not unreasonable. The Hon. Member for Ennis killen and the Honourable Member for the University Sir GEORGE GREY said that the Government had of Dublin, who had voted against his proposition, had that night admitted it would have been better to have t been charged with sending police to guard the Ro- the preamble first. As to the Hon. and Learned man Catholic bishops assembled in synod at Thurles, Member and by taking the preservation of order at that as- ) 1e was for Abingdon, he reminded him that when Attorney-General in 1846 he gave his sanction sembly upon themselves they had, if not directly, at o the repeal of the Act of Elizabeth, which he least indirectly sanctioned that assembly. He was pow sought to enforce. However others might con happy to have that opportunity to say that he was sure the Government for their inconsistency, the Hon. now in a situation to ex p lain exactl y what had be en and Learhed Member for Abingdon was not in that po done by the authorities in Irela nd in referenc e to the at - sition.--(Laughter.) tendance of police at the time.—(Hear, hear.) He had The Earl amendment of' which he i ' commun i ca ted with the authorities there , and he wished wive n otice the admission of now to explain that the police were not sent to g uard the certain words which would declare that the Act would prelates or maintain order in tha t assembl y . He was not interfere with the bishops in the exercise of their now in a situation to give that rep ort a direct eontradic- s piritual functions. They could not have a bishop except under a Papal brief; and the present Lion.--(Hear, hear.) The chief of the constabular y in that locality reported that in consequence of the essem- Bill would render invalid all acts done by him—to ordain priests—and it would moreover render all bly of the Roman Catholics to delibera te upon matters mar connected with their religion, a larg e concourse of riages out of England illegal. A person could obtain people was expected , and he applied for a g reater force of orders anywhere, but the Roman Catholics could not the constabulary to keep the peace, and in r e p l y to that have bishops but by the appointment of the Pope, As application, an additional force of fifty of the police were to vicars apostolic, they were abolished by the brief. placed under his directions. That was done entirely In He called, then, on the Government to fulfil the asser the expectation of the meeting of a large concourse of tions they had made, that they did not interfere with the people. There was nothing that could be construed into spiritual functions of the Roman Catholic bishops. He anything like a sanction on the part of the Government quoted the opinion of the Prime Minister, and of the of that synod.—(Hear, bear.) They certainly did not law officers of the Crown, pledging themselves not to in• interfere to prevent the step which had then been taken, terfere with the spiritual functions of the Roman Catholic but they did not agree in that step; and were they now bishops.—(Hear , hear.) to be told that because they did not anticipate that there The ATTORNEY - GENERAL observed that the would not be a breach of the law , that they had sane - clause declared that a certain rescript was illegal, and tioned the presence of the police in approbation of the that all appointments under it were illegal and void, and procession of the Roman Catholic clergy on the occasion th e a mendment of the Noble Lord would have them to referred to? declare that, for certain purposes, these' appointments Mr. WHITESIDE, in reference to what the Right were legal and val id. The Bill would not i nt e rfere w i t h Hon. Gentleman had said, would merely say that the had the spiritual authority o f t heir. bish ops as it had been been informed, from the best authority, that the police heretofore exercised. on the occasion referred to did line the road from the Cathedral o f Th urles to the College, an d b e t ween the The Earl of ARUNDEL wan te d to know in what position lines of the c onsta b ulary the Roman Cat h o li c hierarchy they would stand w ho would de clare they would not interfere with the sp iritual f unctions of their walked. The Primate, who was clothed in the same bishops?—(Cheers.) Roma, to the Cathedral. His informant e , did cross the public road and Mr. MOORE said, as he u nder sto o d the statement proceed of the Hon. and Learned Attorney-General, their arch further stated that it was generally supposed, from the bishops taking the titles they always had circumstances of the under their being present, the po magistr t ' bishops and could not exercise any spiritual authority in conformity , authority, and the lice being assembled there improbability of the slightest breach with the law. If that were so, then this Bill was a re f the peace occur-- an occasion of a religious - ring on Catholic bishops amongst a Roman Catholicpeople, that procession of Roman v a ersal of their just policy, a breach of a national treaty, revocation of a solemn treaty, an act of atonement for it was intended by the Government to lend thir sane- had ever before suffered oar,hear.) If the the whole proceeding.—(gear, and another nation fhcted. greater wrongs than any nation lie warned the Govern tion to addressed the went they were awaking an agitat ion of the ultimate Ri g ht lion. Gentlema n who ha d just result House were as intimately acquainted wit h Ireland of they no argument as Mr. KEOGH had heard against the which did not yet dream.—(llear.) he was, he would admit that this was not the only oc- tested the sincerity sanction of the Government be' casion of the nig g ive nof the n Member for Midhurst and of the Noble amendment of the Noble Lord. H e tcst o. to the use of these t itles b y the Human Catholic, bier- L or d b y t hi s amen d me nt, when they declared they archy.—(Hear, hear.) would not interfere with the spiritual functions of the Mr. ROEBUCK, in reference to what had fallen from Catholic bishops. the Right Hon. Gentleman, asked whether that was the Lord J. RUSSELL observed that this clause declared way the Government met this q uestion? Was it really ,what was the law as it now stood, and he did no t see true that the Government had never sanctioned the use ' how they could, in making that declaration, be called of these titles by the Roman Catholic hierarchy ? Had upon to say that another thing was legal which the law the Government the face to say that the Lord-Lieute- i did not sanction. taut of Ireland did not sanction the assumption of these Sir H. W. BARRON said if the clause declared that titles—not merely out of courtesy; but he would ask to be law which was law, then why introduce it into an whether precedence had not habitually been given to Act of Parliament?—(Cheers.) After the declarations these archbkhope and bishops of the Roman Catholic made by the Government, he could not see how, in ho- Church ?—(bear.) Had not these titles been recog- , nour, justice, or common honesty, they could refuse EVENING, all parts of the empire.—(Hear, hear.) It was a de. I claratory Act, and whea they declared a law in Eogland ; they w ere also cluing the same for Ireland.—(Hear, hear.) His Hon. Friend the Member for Midhurst was right in saying the clause was not intended to apply im mediately to Ireland. What they simply said was, to declare a iaw which was applicable to both kingdoms. Mr. J. O'CONNELL said, the Hon. and Lrairned Attorney-General had made the matter more clear. for he had told them that the clause did not apply to Ire land and that it did.—(Cries of " Divide, divide.") Mr. MOORE said it appeared to him that the state ment of the two Hon. and Learned Gentlemen was this —that that was merely a declaratory law. But the Member for Midhurst said it did not declare the law with regard to Ireland, while the Attorney-General said it did.—(Divide.) If that was not contradiction he did not know what was.—(Hear, and cries of " Divide.") The Committee then divided, when there appeared— For the amendment ... ... 57 Against it ... ... 317 Majority ••. --260 Sir B. HALL was addressing the House on the re admission of strangers. He recommended the Govern ment to proceed with that Bill every day after twelve o'clock, and then they could go on with the ordinary business of the country at the usual hour.—(Cheers.) That course would be an assurance on the part of the Government that they were seriously determined to press forward that measure.—(Hear, hear.) That plan had been found to succeed with less important questions, and he thought it might be adopted with advantage in the present instance, as it seemed to be the intention cf Hon. Members to put off the Bill as long as possible. Mr. KEOGH said the people of Ireland might always expect a consolatory proposition from the Hon. Member for Marylebone. The Hon. Members were not respon sible for the delay which had occurred, for the Govern ment had postponed the Bill and struck out clauses and inserted others from time to time. Did the House. then, want to exculpate the Government from all blame? If the course recommended was adopted, it would be for them to use such means of obstruction as they hai not hitherto taken.—(Hear.) Mr. M. GIBSON hoped the day sittings would not be adopted, as it would tend more to interfere with than expedite the public business of the country, so many Hon. Members were on Committees. Ho could not but agree with the lion. Member for Athlone that some blame was due to the Government for the delay of the Bill, as they were frequently a whole night discussing clauses which were subsequently withdrawn.—(Hear.) The Earl of ARUNDEL and SURREY said the Go vernment might postpone that Bill if the business of the country was at a stand still. He thought it would be a most unfair course, upon such an important measure, in which millions were concerned, to discuss it at day sit tiogs.—(Hear.) , He was a member of a railway Com mittee, and he could not attend it if the day sittings were adopted. He could say he did not think they were liable to the charge, on the whole, of offering any factious op position to the progress of the Bill.—(Hear.) - Lord J. RUSSELL said his inclination - would be to consult the convenience of the House; for he was per suaded that other business would be interrupted, so much time being given to questions of importance on which Hon. Members were not likely to be absent, if he resorted to morning sittings, which would provoke opposition of a different character than had been given; and, therefore, he was not prepared to assent to the Hon. Member for Marylebone's proposition. lie must say, whatever the cause of delay with respect to particular propositions, it was obvious that questions were debated eight or ten times over, and that answers provoked discussions. It was obvious, if this system were continued, a great deal of needless time would be taken up with the Bill; there fore, he reserved to himself the discretion of taking morning sittings if necessary. He should not, however, adopt them unless he found it absolutely necessary. He looked for the support of the House in preventing un necessary delay. He would, however, just remark that the Right Hon. Gentleman (Hr. M. Gibson) on these occasions took en opportunity of making good-natured remarks (the rest of the sentence was inaudible). Mr. M. GIBSON replied that if propositions were brought forward, like those of the Hon. and Learned Member for Abingdon, only to be withdrawn, that would be the way to create delay. Mr. DISRAELI said the Bill, although a very im portant Bill, was a very brief one, and notwithstanding the active opposition it met with it was not difficult to perceive there must be some end to the discussion.— (Hear, hear.) He could not help thinking that the time had not arrived for resorting to the desperate ex pedient of morning sittings. He had every wish to support her Majesty's Government—(Laughter)— in the conduct of public business; but he was bound to soy it was impossible for Government to bring forward measures of importance without expecting an amount of active opposition, which in the ordinary course of bu siness might not be perfectly justifiable. The excess, however, which might have been expected hal, not been exceeded in the present case— (Oh I)—for though in his personal experience he knew how disagreeable it was to divide frequently on the same evening with one lobby full and the other lobby nearly empty, he could not forget that the measure of Government was not such a matured or well-considered measure as was entitled to the support of the House, but a measure which rather invited and encouraged opposition. Government bad withdrawn clauses after discussion, and thus had recognised the fact of there being a legitimate ground of opposition. He thought, under existing circumstances, Government had acted wisely in not acceding to the proposi tion of the Hon. Member for Marylebone. The effect of that proposition on the conduct of Committees would be in itself a fair ground of objection. On the paper he perceived there were several important Committees—one on the property-tax, and he wished to know how Gentlemen could serve on those Committees and attempt at the same time to con- duct the morning sittings? He hoped in future discus sions it would be found expedient to expedite public business, as that must be the wish of every Hon. Mem ber in that House. After a few words from Mr. MOORE, The CHAIRMAN reported progress, and asked leave to sit again on Monday. SATURDAY their assent to the amendment. He had received a, letter that very day announcing the formation of a new Ca tholic league in Ireland. This was the fruit of their in terfere-nee with the religion of the people. They forgot that this had been the cue all over the world. It was this which had separated Holland from Belgium. How different was the feeling in the United States! He must beg have to res 1 a short paragraph from an American newspaper, in illustration of this. The paragraph said —" We cordially rejoice, good Protestants us we are, to see a good man promoted to the highest dignity in his Church." He understood that that eminent man was at that moment in that House. The Noble Lord had talked of a conspiracy against the liberties of Europe. He asked the Noble Lord if he meant to intimate that the Roman Catholics were implicated in that conspiracy? Had they not, on the contrary, been foremost, both in that House and out of it, in supporting liberty in every shape for the last fifty years? Had they not supported the claims of the Dissenters? If he asserts that (con tinued the lion. Baronet), I tell him to his teeth in this House, that it is a base falsehood.—(Loud cries of " Order.") It has no foundation in truth. The CHAIRMAN—The Hon. Baronet will, I am sure, be sorry that he has used those words. Sir W. BARRON—Sir, you did not hear my words. I said, and I repeat it, that if the Noble Lord charges the Roman Catholics in this House, or in this country, with being engaged in a base conspiracy against the li berties of mankind, it is a bate falsehood.—(Loud cheers from the Irish Members). Those are the words I used, and I repeat them. I say they have no foundation in fact. I call on him for his proof; and I have a right to ask for it.—(A laugh.) I took down the Noble Lord's words, and I have them here. The Noble Lord, in talking against the appointment of Roman Catholic bishops in England by the Pope, used these remarkable words:—" It was part of a conspiracy to prevent the ex tension of civil and religious liberty in Europe."—(Hear hear.) Now, mind, it was the appointment of Roman Catholic bishops in this country that was part of that conspiracy. Does that or does it not connect theßoman Catholics of this country with the conspiracy against civil and religious liberty?—(No.) Then I am wrong. Bat I say if there was no in tention so to connect them, the phrase was used in a manner and under circumstances which conveyed to my mind an imputation, and I repudiate it as I have a right to do. There is a conspiracy, and it reminds me very much of an ancient conspiracy remarkable in the history of this country, the conspiracy of Titus Oates— a conspiracy to put down the Roman Catholics, and abolish their civil and religious rights.—(Oh, oh.) The language used in and out of this House confirms me in that opinion. I could cite case after case of the most disgraceful and discreditable imputations against the Roman Catholic body—imputations unfounded in fact, and which we repudiate, and have always repudiated, butlwhich will be trumped up and brought forward again to rouse the passions and stimulate the exertions of a certain class of the community in this country to pass Bills of this kind.—(oh, oh.) I was so strongly reminded of that conspiracy, after hearing the speech of the Noble Lord, that I took the trouble to refer to the annals of that period, and found this account given:—" The im posture, which was brought forward in a time of popular commotion and supported by the arts and declamations of a numerous party, goaded the passions of men to a state of madness, and seemed for awhile to ex tinguish the native good sense and humanity of England. The most absurd and incredible statements, as they must appear to a thinking mind, were received without hesitation, and even men of the highest class suffered themselves to be agitated with the appre hension of dangers, the more alarming to the imagina tion because they were wrapped up in mystery." There is a great similarity between the mode of getting up the agitation in the two cases. In this case the Pope was to invade us some fine morning, and all were to become Roman Catholics in twenty.four hours. But I think the test which my Noble Friend has put will be a test of the honesty of the Government as to their interference or noninterference with the spiritual functions of the Roman Catholic clergy of this country. The Committee divided. The numbers were— For the amendment ... ••• ... 61 Against it ... 316 ... —255 Majority .:.. The amendment was accordingly lost. Mr. SADLIER contended that the Bill was con ceived in a spirit hostile to the course of policy entered upon towards the Roman Catholics by the Bill of 1829. Even the Noble Lord himself had, on va rious occasions, advocated the spiritual freedom of the Roman Catholic hierarchy, which the pro posed Bill would fetter to a most detrimental extent. He challenged the Government to show that the Roman Catholics of It eland could have any other hierarchy than that which they had had for centuries. The heads of the Roman Church in that country performed their functions as archbishops of particular provinces and bishops of particular dioceses. There was no arch bishop or bishop who had not some archbishopric or bishopric assigned to him. Now if that were the case, he said that it would not be consistent with the spirit of the age, or the general liberality of the people of this country, that the exercise of the Roman Catholic reli gion should be fettered in the manner proposed in that Bill. He should move an amendment in the clause, by the addition after the word " thereby," of the words " for temporal purposes." Sir G. GREY said that, although the amendment of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman differed in terms from that of his Noble Friend the Earl of Arundel and Surrey, it was identical with it in meaning and effect; and as the House had just negatived the amendment of his Noble Friend, he thought he should only be guilty of an unwarrantable waste of their time, by repeating, in reply to the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, the argu ments which had been used against the preceding amendment. Mr. MONSELL said that in the county he had the honour to represent the diocese of Emly was situated, and in that diocese there were between 80,000 and 90,000 Roman Catholics, and about 1,200 Protestants. The Roman Catholic bishop of that diocese did not, however, claim any of those tithes or churches or funds which the piety of his ancestors had devoted to the sup plying of the spiritual wants of his flock. Those emolu ments were left to the 1,200 Protestants in that diocese. Now, he would ask the law officers of the Crown whether it would not be in the power of any common informer under that Bill to proceed against a Roman Catholic bishop for discharging the duties of his station, because he could only act under the authority of a bull which the Parliament of this country had declared to be un lawful? Now he would put it to her Majesty's Minis ters, whether it would be wise on their part to act the people of Ireland and the laws of the land in opposition to each other, or whether they did not feel aware that they would by that means be laying the seeds of an agi tation which must produce the most disastrous effects in these kingdoms? The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said he had only to state in reply to the Hon. Gentleman what had already been stated four or five times that evening by his lion. and Learned Friend the Attoriaey-General_—bu. na. that theymely, that they were not then making a new law, were merely declaring what the law had b Jen during the last 200 years. Mr. SCULLY said he believed that the clause as it then stood wool! make all future rescriP ts or bulls void, and would. by that means , prevent all communication with the See of Rome. But in that case no Rom" Catholic bishops could be consecr ate d , an d no Roman Catholic priests co uld be ordaine d in these kingdoms for the future. The clause would, in allot, repeal the Emancipation and Cnaritable Bequests Act. (The Hon. Gentleman was met with cries of "Divide" at every word.) He would not be p ut dow n by clamour, b u t h e would tell the House once more—(Cries of " Divide") — that the question was not fairly discussed, and that another course would be taken it the unfairness was persevered in. —(Cries of " Divide.") The chute should be con fined to the temporal power of the Pope. Mr. J. O'CONNELL suggested that the Government should take the question into consideration, and carry out their own statement, that they did nit wish to in terfere with the spiritual acts of the Roman Catholics. Mr. KEOGH seid it was riot unreasonable for her Majesty's Government to take some time to consider the subject. They hal already had it under their care for four months. Mr. WALPOLE said that some forty minutes had been wasted by Irish Members in arguing a case which had no connexion with Ireland. It would be seen that the clause addressed itself to a particular brief which re ferred to England; and the law, as the Solicitor-General had said, was in the same state as before in respect to Ireland. It left the law exactly as it was in September 1850. Mr. SCULLY said if t he Lion. Gentleman had heard the Solicitor- General he would think the same as he did of the clause. Mr. SADLEIR had hoard the Solicitor*General say the clause applied to Ireland. Mr. GLADSTONE bore testimony to the accuracy of the statement that the exposition of the clause by the Hon. and Learned Member for Midhurst was iu dia metrical opposition to that of the Hon. and Learned Solicitor-General two nights previously. lie (Bar. Gladstone) had asked the Government why the bull constituting the see of Ross was not included in the clause, and the Solicitor-General had replied by saying that the question was one which could only be put by a man ignorant of the law, and by stating that the Act, being a declaratory one, it applied to all bulls. Th e Honourable and Learned Member for Midhurst, how ever, said the clause had no reference to Ireland. His (Mr. Gladstone's) Honourable and Learned Friend was uot, however, consistent with himself for h© not only said that the clause did not apply to Ireland, but that it left the law as it stood on the 28th September, 1850. If so, neither did it apply to England. This was a part of the confusion in respect of the Bill which had commenced with the second reading, and which had gone on multiplying ever since. The real troth was this —her Majesty's Government did not think it politic to put into the Bill the bull respecting the bishopric of Ross in so tnany words. They did not wish—and he gave them credit for the fe,iing—to point to any case affecting Ireland; but the more they proceeded with the measure the greater was the difficulty in which they placed themselves. Their declaratory Act was, there tore, perfectly unintolligibl,..—(l.lear, hear.) If it de clared the law, why did it only refer to one bull? If it only left the law as it was, why declare it all; and why, pass a declaratory Act without stating where the exist ing law was deficient? In truth there were no two ideas convccutivo and consistent in the entire BD.— (Hear, hear.) He would give them an ens xer as well as he could. He maintained that there was no contra diction between both his Learned Friends, if they would understand the sense in which the answers of both were given. The Honourable and Learned Member for Midhurst had told them that that clause vs as not applied to Ireland. The Solicitor-General had informed them that it was particularly directed against a certain rescript which was promulgated in England. It only applied to Ireland in this sense, thet being tan Act of the Imperial Legislature, it was of course applicable to MAY 24, 1851. eleven o'clock yesterday forenoon, for the terminus of the South-W estern ilt.c . l:ay, en route to Osborne. A Cabinet Council was held yesterday afternoon at the Foreign-office, Dcwnittg-treet, which was attrrided by Lord John Russell, the Lord Chance:lor, the Mar quis of Lansdowne, the Earl of Miuto, Sir George grey, Viscount Pe.lcaerston, Earl Grey, the Chanc,lior of the Excheqw , r, Sir Francis Baring, the Right Hon. H. Labouchere, Lord Broughton, the Earl of Carlisle, and the Marquis of Claoticarde. The Council sat two hours and a half. A Deputation on the subject of certain legacies for charitable uses in Ireland had an interview yesterday with the Chancellor of the Exchequer, at bis official re sidence in Downing-street. The deputation consisted of Mescrs. Grace, Keogh, .715 7 ,00 re, St. George, Higgins, O'Flaberty, Blake, and U . Cullagh. Lord Portman had an interview with Sir George Grey yesterday at the Home-office. The Judges, Qsesn's Couussl, and the other law officers will not assemble fit the Lord Chancellor's deuce on the first day of t:te ensuing term. Sir T. Fremantle, Chairman of the Board of Custom s , had an interview with the Chancellor of the Exchequer yesterday. Dispatches were received yesterday at the Colonial office from the Governorst of the West India Islands. Dispatches were sent off List evening from the Colonial office to the Governor of tine Cantidas and the Governors of the other North Ameri, an colonies. ISLE OF WIGHT ELECTION. NOMINATION OF CANDIDATES. (Fao.3i OUR OWN CORRESPONDENT.) At eleven o'clock yesterday a very numerous meeting of the electors of the island took place before the Guild hall of the borough of Nev.liort,, when Captain Hamond was proposed as a fit and Proper person to represent the island by the Hon. H. A. A'Court Holmes. Thomas Willis Fleming, Esq., seeonded the nomination. Bon ham Carter, Esq., proposed Edward Dawes, Esq., and the Hon. Augustus Moreto n seconded him. On a show of hands, a very few were held up for Captain Hamond —a vast forest for Mr. Da was. A poll was then de manded by the friends of tno Captain, which will com mence at Newport, COW. ?S, and Hyde on Monday. During the nomination a largo banner was displayed, having painted on it a naval officer, a sailor with his back cut to pieces, and a boatswain's mate with a cat-o'- nine-tails, from which th a blood appeared streaming; " Hamond to the South Seas, Dawes for the Isle of Wight;" " You would not protect Queen Pomare," and other placards were as nt,merous as " Free Trade," " No Bread Tax," &c. Captain. Hamond sported " Protection to Agriculture," but it was a very sorry display. It seemed a subject that art were sick of—even the chil dren could not be frighttmed with it any longer, and the farmers have at last found out how they have been humbugged. None of them show but theta who have rings through their nose a. SALE OF ARSENIC BILL. The third reading of this Bill was agreed to, after a few words from Air. WAKLEY, who wished the Bill to have more time for consideration. The Stamp Duties (Ireland) Bill went through Com mittee. The Oath of Abjuration Bill went through Com mittee. The St. Alban's Bribery Commission went through Committee. The other orders of the day were disposed of, and the House adjourned at Half-past One o'clock. THE GREAT EXHIBITION. The self-supporting character of the Exhibition is vindicating itself in the most remarkable manner, for yesterday the receipts at the doors from ss. payments amounted to no less a sum than 4,0951. 103. From the sale of season tickets 1341. Bs. was taken, so that the total sum added to the finances of the Commission was 4,229/. 18s. This is really a prodigious success, and as tonishes even those who had made the most sanguine and extravagant calculations on the subject. The truth is, that the attractivene , s of the display is only now be ginning to tell upon the mass of the community, who were slow to believe the astonishing features of the collection thrown open to their curiosity and admi ration. Notwithstanding the immense assemblage yes terday gathered within the building, it still rem&tins as a whole by no means overcrowded. The nave is well filled, but no inconvenience is experienced there in passing from point to point, and, though the more at tractive objects have groups collected around them, it is quite possible, with a little petience, to sea everything worth inspection comfortably and well. The more re mote parts are visited, but not in large numbers, and there are 501320 portions which, during the entire day, remain almost empty. Increased experience justifies, in a groat measure, the confidence in the capabilities of the vast edifice, which it is evident, from their arrange ments, the executive committee entertain ; and, it' the multitude do not present themselves in greater force than 50,000, or even 60,000, on Monday, little difficulty will be found in accommodating them. It is useless speculating upon the probabilities of an event now so close at hand; but, if ull goes on smoothly and well, it will be a grand sight to see the vast tide of humenity roEling aloeg that sublime central avenue, and swelling through the courts and passages of the interior to its remotest boundaries. In the French department Melnotte exhibits slippers and mulles (slippers without heels), remarkable for the elegance of their shape and the beauty of their work mstiship; also ladies' boots, a la Louis XV., made of coloured silk and sa,tin. These boots are of the kind worn in this country at the time of Charles 11., and near them may be seen the embroidered silk stocking:::, worked wit h silver acid gold, and forming part of the costume of the same period, which are exhibited by Munn. COURT CIRCULAR. OSBORNE, MAY 23. Her Majesty ani kis Royal Highness Prince Albert, accompanied by their Royal Highnesses the Prince and P.iucsss cf Prussia, Prince Frederick William of Prus sia, and the Princess Louisa of Prussia, the Duke and Duchess of Ste Coburg Gotha, and Duke Ernest of Wurtemburg, arrived here at six o'clock yesterday after noon, from London, having crossed from Gosport in the Fairy royal steam-yacht. commanded by Lord Adolphus Fi , zelarehce. Their Royal Highnesses the Prince of Wales and the Princess Rriyal accompaned her Majesty, the younger members of the royal family having pre ceded the Queen here. Her Majesty was attended by the Viscountess Jocelyn, Lady in Waiting, the Honourable Beatrice Byng, Maid of Honour in Waiting, and Colonel the Honourable Charles Grey, Equerry in Waiting. Prince Albert was attended by Lieutenant-Colonel Francis thigh Seymour, Equerry in Waiting. The Prince of Wales wes attended by Mr. Birch. The Prince and Princess of Prussia were attended by the Countess A. de Backe, the Countess Oriolla, the Count Pukler, Major Von Boyer), and Count Goltz, Prince Frederick William of Prussia was attended by Colonel Fischer and Lieutenant Von. Heinz. Ths Duke and Duchess of Saxe Coburg Gotha were attended by Baroness Wangenheira and M. B. do Treskow. Thia morning, the Queen and Prince Albert %allied out early in the Park. Their Royal Highnesses the Prince and Princess of Prussia, Prince Frederick Wil liam and the Duko and Duchess of Saxe. Coboarg Gotha, also promenaded in the pleasure-grounds and plantations. Her Royal highness the Duchess of Kent and his Se rene Highness the Prince of Leiningen arrived in the afvrnoon on a visit to her Majesty. The Duchess of Kent, accompanied by the Prince cf Lsiniugen, and attended by Sir George Couper, left her resideaccr, Clarence House, St. James's, shortly before THE GOLD DUST ROBBERY. WINCHESTER, FRIDAY EVENlNG.—Thisday William PlEmpin, who has alreaidy been twice examined on a charge of being implicated in the gold dust robbery, was again brought up at the Guildhall. Charles Seagrim, Esq., the mayor, presided. Mr. Crombie appeared for the prosecution, Mr. Wontner for the Royal Mail Steam-packet Company, and Mr. Pelham, for the prisoner. Mr. Crombie, on the part of the South-Western Rail way Company, said he proposed to ask for a further re mand of the prisoner, and to call witnesses to corrobo rate the evidence of the railway porters, Edwards and Smith, given on the last occasion. It would ba proved that the prisoner was in Winchester on the night of the robbery, and teat ho was seen, not only at the railway station, but at the Eagle) Tavern, with two packages in his possession, which, from th e description given of them, there was reason to believe ware a portioa of the missing pro • petty. Ile might state that the police authorities were prosecuting inquiries in London and elsewhere, with a view of connecting the p,isoaer with other parties in these transactions, who were not in custody. Mrs. Lydia Cross, the wife of the lanittord of the Eagle Tavern, near the railway station, and Eliza Cross, her daughter, then gave evidence as to the fact of the prisoner having been in the tavern between eleven and twelve o'clock on the night of Thursday, May 8, with two parcels in his hands. They mentioned a variety of circumstances which took place during the time he was there. Mr. Inspector Field said that he was engaged with the deteetivo officers of the City police, end the sergeants of the metropolitan force, in following up those inquiries, and from information ho had received within the last few days, he had no doubt he should be able to prove that the prisoner was connected with other parties who were implicated in this robbery. Mr. Pelham said Lo had had the strongest as surance trona the prisoner that he was not in Win chester at ail on the day in question, and he looked upon the case entirely as one of mistaken identity. The Bench alter a short consultation said that they did not consider they should be doing their duty if they did not give an opportunity, by re manding the prisoner, for the production of any further evidence that might be brought against him. As to the question of an alibi, if the prisoner was able to bring forward twenty witnesses as to his being in a certain place, that would be a question for a jury to determine. At the same time there were circumstances of suspicion that the bench could not feel disposed to overlook. The prisoner would be remanded for a - week. Mr. Pelham applied for the return of some property found on the person of the prisoner, but this was refused till the next examination. THE FATAL COLLISION ON THE MID LAND RAILWAY. CHESTERFIELD, THURSDAY. From the answer to inquiries this morning, we learn that all the suffering passengers, on whose account there was the greatest rea son to apprehend danger, are now progressing favour ably. air. and Mrs. Tennant are still at Clay-cross ; and Mrs. John and Joshua Todhunter and the Rev. Mr. Heather continue at Chesterfield. All have the advan tage of the best medical treatment. The coroner's inquest was re-opened at the Municipal hall this morning at eleven o'clock. Mr. Macauley, solicitor, Sir Isaac Morley, director ; Mr. Saunders, traffic manager, and ethers, were again in attendance on behalf of the Midland Company. Mr. Fretson, solicitor, attended for the friends of the late Mr. Blake, and Mr. Waller appeared on the part of the relatives of the other deceased passenger, Mr. Meynell. Mr. Turner, of Sheffield, appeared to watch the pro ceedings on behalf of John Thompson, the guard of the express train on the night of the accident. Lieutenant Douglas Dalton, the Government Inspector of Railways, was also present. Mr. Macauley, after apologising for some delay, caused by his having to show Lieutenant Dalton over the portion of the line where the accident occurred, said he would comply with the promise made to the jury, and had present every servant of the company who was with either of the trains at the time of the accident. a • Mr. Barlow, civil engineer to the company , produ ced a plan of the Midland line, of the portion of the line at Clay-cross, made after the accident. Several witnesses were examined, and the inquest was adjourned to Friday morning. The jury were taken by spacial train to view the locality of the disaster. CHESTERFIELD, FRIDAY.—The coroner's inquiry was resumed this morning at eleven o'clock, at the Muni cipal-hall. George Carter, the foreman of the passenger train, stated, that immediately after the accident and they found the up-line was blocked up, he went in the direc tion of Chesterfield with a rod Signal light to prevent any up-train approaching. By Mr. Fretson—l do not know what was done to prevent any train coming on the down line. John Thompson—l was guard of the passenger train on Monday night. We lett Derby at twenty minutes past nine. The proper time was five minutes. Ido not know where the fifteen minutes had been lost. When we got opposite the Clay-cross Station I noticed the slackening of the engine. When we had gone 150 or 200 yards the train stopped. I put my head out, and went to the engine driver and asked " What's the matter?" He did not know exactly the cause. He ex amined the wheels and pump, and then said there was something amiss with the pump-rod. I asked him 1 1 " w long it would be before ho was ready to go on. 21 1 fireman said ho thought it would be ten minutes, and the driver said a few minutes. I asked him if I shou ld have occasion to go back with the si g nal, and the drivertn said, " Yes, you had better." I got into thevan get my lamp and signal out. I then went down be tween the two lines till I got thirty or be yond out train, when the driver or th e rn I shoud from the engine " All right!" fi fo re r m shouted forty yan yards o n in_g r e ba ck. Whe n 1 , " Is all right?" and comm enced heard the approach of a had got a short distance beck I rd train. I had not seen or the train before I turned back. Oar train was moving be o a n then. I continued waving my red signal till I got orito t he footboard of the last car riage. I then shouted the drive, " Make speed— can, there is a train coming." m vir a e k w e e r all e ovg, and had got a short distance when the other us. It was coming faster than I thought. train ran into The driver of that train could see our re d the m hastei n tail-lamp as well as my hand-single-lamp. There was a tall -lamp and two side signal lamps to our t ra i n. I had turned back before I heard the goods train coming. I walked back with my red signal lamp turned towards cross-tunnel. The train consisted of four car the Clay sieges and a van. By ala Waller—We had three lamps behind when we started from Derby. We had orders to stop at Wingfield and Duffield extra. The order was given by the station master. First felt the slackening of the train opposite the Clay-cross Station. The train did not move more than 200 yards before it stopped, It was eight or ten minutes past ten o'clock. The driver might have stopped it earlier if ho had reversed the engine. It might be five minutes after the stoppage that the goods train came up. My hand-signal could have been seen from the footboard of the carriage to the Clay-cress Station. The proper speed of the goods train was 12 miles an hour. It was coming much faster than that. Considering the time both trains started for Derby the luggage train ought to have been half-an-hour behind us. By Mr. Fretson—When we came to a stand it was about 150 yards this side Clay•cross station. I know where the sema ph ore s ig na l at the station is placed, an d understand how to work it. That signal is about 190 of 200 yards from the place where we came to a st inten tion walked at a brisk pace back. I set off with the of walking half a mile back, becaus e the engine driver had told me he would be ten minutes, and I did - not expect the other train for twenty minutes. I could not have walked forward to the signal as SOOll as, I walked back to the train. We were a quarter of an hour late on starting from Derby , and we had lost ten minutes on the road. When I set off back to walk h a lf a mile I got into my van and took twa fog si gna l s with me. Ought you not to have taken four?—We do some times. I have had ' 9, copy of the rubs given to me. I have seen the rule that we are to place a fog-signal on the line every 200 yards, till we have got 800 yards. I only took two, because I knew I had not to go bev on t the tunnel. I got within 100 lards of the platform before I turned back. I think I could run 200 yarns in five minutes. I hai only one minute to go out before I turned back. I had consumed three of the four or five minutes that we were stopping, by waiting to see what was amiss with the engine. I came back because I heard the engine•man say " All right." I noticed when at Ambergate that we were twenty-six minutes behind time. We had come about at one regular speed. I was hurt by the accident. My nose was slightly grazed, and my foot much hurt. I remained on the footboard of our train till the collision, when I was knocked off. I supposed the goods driver was slacking, and ours getting off, we should get out of the way. As soon as I got up, after being knocked off our train, I went back to Clay-cross Station, but found the signal had been put on. When I first left our train I went back to turn on the signal at the station, and only turned back without doing so because I heard the driver or fireman call out " All right." W don't usu a lly soun d th e whistle on passing'rsmall stations. We onlystop at these small stations nut mentioned on the time-table by the order of the station-master at Derby. We had stopped at two of the se stat i ons that n i g h t. I b e li eve if on this night we had had to stop at Claycross to put down pas sengers, this accident would have occurred. There was no one at the . station t o rece i ve the passengers , or put , on the signal it we had stopped. There is no one there at night. I don't know that I have stopped at that station, hut I have no doubt that train has, as well as at Duf field and Wingfield. The man at that station does not expect us to stop, and whether there was any one there to receive the passengers or tu rn on the s i gna l was mere chance. I think the goods train had come up to us in half the time they should have done, or l ess than that. Further t e o vi m de o n n e d e a h y. aving been given, the inquiry was adjourned RAIL WAY RETURNS TRAFFIC RETURNS FOR THE PAST WEEK. NAME_ 777.1.15t.HA:::::-.7.1 ..... \ 1850 . 1851. Mlles opened, 1851. -7- 12 Aberdeen .. ------ -- £1,196 £1,377 687 37% Belfast and Ballymena ••••••• • •• • • • • 1 7 Belfast and County Down• •••••• • • • • • 218 265 33 Birkenhead, Lancashire, and Cheshire 1, 27 Bolton Blackburn, and West York • • • • 85% Bristol and Exeter • • .... • • •••• ••• • • • 3,87 3 4,134 160 Caledonian -- .... 6,115 6, 551 94% Chester and Holyh e - a • d : ...... :• . .. 2,i64 2,596 49 Dublin and B e l fast Junction .... • • • • 645 0 4 5 2 ! 11 ,... 8 . : 283 53 Dublin and Drogheda.... .. 6 Dublin and Kingstown .....:.. ••• • • • 873 742 16,74 Dundee and Arbroath • • 389 427 31 Dundee, Perth, and Aberdeen Junction 596 648 19 Dundalk and Enni5ki11en............ 143 155 67% East Ang1ian........................ 809 622 79 East Lancashire - .......... ..... ... 3,187 3,938 322 Eastern Counties and Norfolk ........ 15,762 13,704 95 Eastern Union.• •• .• ........ •• • ..... 2,217 2,057 116% Edinburgh and Glasgow .... ........ 3,851 3,960 71 Edinburgh, Perth, and Dundee-- 2,300 2,219 18 Furness Railway •• • ••.. • • ........ 356 545 171% Glasgow, and South-Western .. ...... 3,323 3,725 22% Glasgow, Paisley, and Greenock .... 1 ,024 1,032 236 Great Northern and E. L. ••••• • • • •• 3 .421 9,5i3 188 Great Southern and Western (Ireland) 4 ,262 5,142 262% Great Western •• •• 90 Lancaster and Carlisle ••• • • • 260 Lancashire and Yorksldre- Yorkshire •• • • 13,812 16,4 4 3 39 Leeds and Thirsk ••..••• • • • • • • 146 268 12% Liverpool, Crosby, and Southport.. • • 46,932 48,042 51814 London and North Western . . •• • 875 1,092 5 London and Blackwall ••••••• • • • • • • • 0,•,7 3 11,702 173% London, Brighton, and South Coast 239 London and South Western. ..... •• • 11 , 58 7 10 ,'` l97 15 Londonderry and Enniskillen • • 11% Manchester, Buxton, and Matlock, &c. 132 155 167% Manchester, Sheffield, and Lincolnshire 5,701 'B9B 6 , 0 s 9% Manchester and Sout li Junction . ... - 499 23 Maryport and Callisle 496 1 A Midland ••• • • •• - 50 Midland Great Western (Irish) .... , 1,254 1,3 13 60 Newcastle and Carlisle.. 146 North British ••.. • • ..............,, 3,387 3,410 222 North Staffordshire 47 North-Western ..........., 45 Scottish Central 32 Scottish Midland ............., . 47 Shrewsbury and Chester ••••• • • . • • 30 Shropshire Union .. • • • • • . • 53 SO 11 t h DeVOll ••-•••...•• • • . . . . . . . . 261 South Eastern • • •• •. 75 South Wales .. ••..••••• • • • • • .• - 1,079 69 South York., Doncaster, and Goole 40 Taff Vale • • • • • • - • • • • • 2 ,352 2,253 36 Ulster. •• ' '45 Waterford and Limerick • • ...... • • • • - 365 13 West Cornwall ...... • .... •••• • • • • 21 . 4 331 12 1 Whitehaven Junction .•.• • • • ..... •• • 190 196 293 York and Newcastle, and Berwick .• • 14, 256 York and North Mid1and........... FOREIGN. 7634 Amiens and 80u10gne.......... ..... 1,272 1,183 - 44 Dieppe •••••• • • • • • • ... .11 381 - 63 Montercau and Troyes .... ...... .... 983 1 .15 3 336 Northern of France •••• • • • ... ...... 16,511 17,896 143 Orleans to Bourges (Cent.) 72 Orleans to Bordeaux ................ 2 953 3, 26 7 82 Paris and Orleans .. ..... ........... 7 . 3i 8 351 85 Paris and Rouen . .. ...... 1,206 e, 197 59% Rotten and Havre .. ••••••• • • • • • • ... 2,6T , 8 2,487 RAILWAY TRAFFIC RETURNS. LONDON AND NORTH-WESTERN RAILWAY.-1:13tUrll of Traffic for the week ending May 18 : Passengers, parcels, &c. £29,459 19 8 Merchandise 17,460 7 6 Cattle ... ... 1,101 11 7 Total ... £48,041 18 9 Corresponding week last year 46,932 11 6 Note.—The returns as published are exclusive of the traffic of the Huddersfield Canal and Shropshire Union, North Union, Preston and Wyre, South Junction, Blanchester and Buxton, and Buckinghamshire Railways, and of the propor tion of traffic deducted under agreement with the North Staffordshire Company. EASTERN COUNTIES AND NORFOLK ItAmwmr.—Traffic return for the week ending May 18: Passengers, parcels, &c. £7,375 3 1 Merchandise, cattle, and cartage 6,329 7 4 Total ... £13,704 10 5 Corresponding week of ISSO 15,761 11 3 BRISTOL AND EXETER RAlLwAY.—Traffic for the week ending May 11 : Passengers Goods Parcels ... Mails ... • £2,50-1 16 1 .. 1,250 7 9 • 15i 3 7 • 223 4 2 Total ... £4,134 11 7 LONDON AND BLACKWALL RAILWAY.—Amount of revenue :or the week ending May 18: Passengers •• Goods ... -.£ 1,0i4 10 9 ... ... 17 0 0 Total ••• •.•£1,091 10 9 Corresponding week last year ... 875 711 SHREWSBURY AND BIRMINGLIA3I RAILWAY,...TraffiC re ceipts for the week ending May 18 : Passengers .• ... £263 Carriages, horses, and parcels ... 12 14 Live stock 3 13 ..• 4 ••• Merchandise and minerals ... 251 3 0 Total .£530 18 8 Corresponding period last year.. 646 4 9 SHROPSHIRE UNION RAILWAY.—(Open 29 miles.) —Traffic or the week ending May 18 : Passengers, parcels, &c. Goods and live stock ~. £378 10 7:1 9 69 15 10 Total £648 6 Correiponding week last year ... 492 4 5i MANCHESTER, BUXTON, MATLOCK, AND MIDLANDS JUNG. TRW RAILWAY.—Return of traffic for the week ending May 18.— Passengers, &c. Merchandise Total ... 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PRINCE ALBERT'S MODEL HOUSE FOR FOUR FAmiLiEs Al HYDE- rARK.,—In its general arrangement, the building is adapted for the occupbtion of four families of the manufacturing and mechanical operatives, who usually _ reside in towns or in their immediate vicinity; and as the value of land, which leads to the economising of space by i the placing of more titan one family under the same roof. c,f a some cases, renders the addition of a third, and arrangement without any other alteration than , 1 fourth, story desirable, the plan has been su i t ei t t_ i tc e i ev r e e e n e g cl i si te l and protected increase in the strength of the walls. The ;post peculiarity of the design is that of the receding gallery on the central open staircase, with the connecting froin the weather tirst floor, formed of slate, and shelteredvhich also screens the prominent by the continuation of the main ro e of, o l ttr i• tenements are ar ranged to the dwellings. ' are the exclusive use of plan—two on each flout. As and partitions (excepting the th e peculiarities s precisely thethe sbuildingate p hollow bricks for the walls which are brickwork, and the entire absence of timbcesr of hollow hollow brickwork, rising from formed with flat an: s h e ; in foundations, which are cement, and tied in by wrought eight to nine withinche_s,_ cast iron springers, which rest on of_ otrhdeinflaoroymbraincdkw; iron rods, connected a nd bind the whole structure together; the external welis, , , „ thus rendered fireproof, and much less liable the building is thoe of ordinary construction. The roof to decay than- ii° levelled with concrete, and covered with arching, whn:: l - . effectuall metallic lays, y secures the upper rooms patent liability to changes of temperature to which apart .- in the , ro the roof are generally subject, and the transmis sion next 'sound as well as the percolation of moisture, so cum sion of , i h ordinary floors, is effectually impeded by the mon biroin, Iloilo -, , brick arched floors. —Builder. MoNEY MARKET. —The quotation of gold at Paris el. 17s. Is t t. a i r l i ei ll o ', l (I N N. is about 3 per mule discount, according to the. . I • l ' l i e c r h, ouil a c t e fotrhestahEdnagrdlishgoldll,lignitvespraicne oex change of 23.10 ; and the exchange at Paris ou London at short being 23.00, it follows that gold is 0.40 per cent. dearer in Paris than in London. By advices front Ham price of gold is 4 0 5 per mark, which, at the Eng. fish Mint price of 31. 17s. 101 d. per ounce for standard gold, gives an exchange of 13.41; and the exchange at Ham• burgh on London at short being 13.51, it follows that gold is 0.29 per cent. dearer in London than in Haniburgli. The course of exchange at New York on London for bills at 60 days' sight is 1101 per cent., and the par of exchange between England and America being 109 '23-40 .per cent., it follows that the exc h a nge is nominally 0 . 92 per cent. in favour of England • an d attar making allowance for differ. once of interest anid charges of transport, the present rate leaves a profit on the importation of gold from the Units 4 States.